| 00:00.08 | unfo | Aghaster: I trust it |
| 00:00.10 | Zarephath | Hello...another new debian user..although somewhat familiar with Ubuntu and linux...I want to learn how to setup a mail server..suggestions on a simple beginners version..and where I might find a good wiki or something to follow to do it? I know I have to setup deb with a FQDN..but have never done this either... |
| 00:00.28 | Kyral | www.howtoforge.com has a good one |
| 00:00.39 | weasel00 | drusscol : have you checked out http://www.ubcd4win.com ? |
| 00:00.43 | dumbazzz | u gotta configure DNS before u set up an email server |
| 00:00.49 | Zarephath | Kyral: Kewl..thanks... |
| 00:00.59 | unfo | Aghaster: but if you don't then save from oo.o as pdf. File->Save as PDF iirc. |
| 00:01.03 | Zarephath | dumbazzz: I am using zoneedit so that part is setup... |
| 00:01.15 | dumbazzz | static or dynamic IP? |
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| 00:01.59 | Zarephath | dumbazz: Dynamic...of course this is just to learn how to administrate...so I realize not ideal for practical usage..:-) |
| 00:01.59 | drusscol | weasel00: I've looked at that before. what do you suggest I use it for? |
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| 00:02.08 | Kurt | why do Democrats hate Jews? |
| 00:02.13 | dumbazzz | do u plan to implement DDNS?? |
| 00:02.23 | Kyral | Kurt: I take offense at that |
| 00:02.23 | chuckyp | Kurt, lol what? |
| 00:02.48 | Kurt | Kyral: are you a Jew-hating Democrat? |
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| 00:02.51 | Kurt | chuckyp: just what I said |
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| 00:02.53 | Kurt | Democrats hate Jews |
| 00:02.53 | Stevie | Kurt: Because those damn Jews are responsible for everything that's wrong with this world. |
| 00:02.55 | Kurt | and I want to know why |
| 00:02.58 | weasel00 | drusscol : accessing the data on your ntfs partition.. or did i miss too much of the conversation lo |
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| 00:02.59 | Kurt | Kyral: so you hate your uncle? |
| 00:03.06 | Zarephath | dumbazz: I suppose that would be better than not..since I assume this allows Deb to stay in sync with the DNS servers as they change? My isp that is? |
| 00:03.07 | Kyral | Kurt the point was that I don't |
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| 00:03.17 | nvz | lets please not talk about democrats or jews in #debian |
| 00:03.21 | drusscol | weasel00: yeah, that's not exactly what I'm trying to do |
| 00:03.25 | unfo | Kurt: the OT channel is better for that: type /join # |
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| 00:03.29 | Kyral | or politics or religion :P |
| 00:03.35 | Stevie | Kurt: Global warming? Jews. Al Capone? Jews. The fact that hot dogs come in packages of 10 and buns in packages of 8? Jews. |
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| 00:03.48 | Zarephath | dumbazz: I need to eat...brb.. |
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| 00:03.54 | Kurt | Kyral: if you're a Democrat, then you do. If you don't, then you're not a Democrat |
| 00:03.57 | Kurt | because Democrats hate Jews |
| 00:04.02 | Kurt | and i want to know why |
| 00:04.06 | weasel00 | drusscol: alright my bad.. going back to my hole now =) |
| 00:04.11 | Kurt | unfo: I haven't been able to find an answer anywhere else, so I'm asking here |
| 00:04.21 | Kyral | Logical Fallacy, Hasty Generalization, your logic is flawed ;P |
| 00:04.21 | unfo | Kurt: did you try channel "#"? |
| 00:04.24 | drusscol | weasel00: but thanks for the suggestion |
| 00:04.25 | chuckyp | Kurt, a majority of the jewish population is democrat |
| 00:04.27 | Kurt | no, it's not |
| 00:04.31 | astronut | is there a way to use tempfile to make a directory? (or some other way to do the same thing?) |
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| 00:04.40 | Kurt | chuckyp: so they hate themselves? |
| 00:04.42 | thingfish | oh god, why please does this channel attract so many flat-out nutters? |
| 00:04.49 | Stevie | Kurt: Do either the jews, or the democrats, involved here use Debian? |
| 00:05.02 | Kurt | dunno |
| 00:05.07 | Stevie | then you should ask in #gentoo |
| 00:05.10 | thingfish | !ops general nutiness from Stevie and Kurt |
| 00:05.11 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: general nutiness from Stevie and Kurt |
| 00:05.11 | Kurt | I tried |
| 00:05.14 | Kurt | they don't know, either |
| 00:05.20 | chuckyp | Kurt, maybe ask in ubuntu |
| 00:05.21 | Stevie | did you try #ubuntu? |
| 00:05.24 | Stevie | haha |
| 00:05.29 | dumbazzz | i have a dynamic IP too.. just trying to figure out a plan how to deplay mail server on my debian machine |
| 00:05.29 | Kurt | they don't know either |
| 00:05.33 | gnufan | Stevie: LOL -- those gentoo penguins deserve it |
| 00:05.35 | dumbazzz | with DDNS |
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| 00:05.37 | chuckyp | Kurt, you didn't ask in there. |
| 00:05.38 | unfo | Kurt: then we can't help you. |
| 00:05.40 | thingfish | sorry, *nuttiness |
| 00:05.41 | Kyral | Hey don't send him to us! :P |
| 00:05.46 | Stevie | dumbazzz: Your ISP might filter incoming 25. |
| 00:05.47 | Kurt | chuckyp: I did yesterday |
| 00:05.51 | thingfish | although who knows - it's not a word anyway probably. |
| 00:05.54 | Stevie | If it doesn't, it might filter OUTGOING 25. |
| 00:06.05 | dumbazzz | stevie.. is there a way to find out?? |
| 00:06.09 | dumbazzz | by using a program to test it? |
| 00:06.15 | Aghaster | w00t, crossover office really _does_ work! |
| 00:06.26 | thingfish | good for you, yay, and all that. |
| 00:06.30 | unfo | Aghaster: for now *cue dramatic music* |
| 00:06.37 | Aghaster | lol |
| 00:06.45 | chuckyp | Kurt, ask again today there may be more jews there. |
| 00:06.49 | dumbazzz | comcast or time warner filter incoming 25?? |
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| 00:06.54 | unfo | Kurt: try http://www.askmoses.com |
| 00:06.57 | Stevie | i dunno |
| 00:07.00 | Stevie | I never tried. |
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| 00:07.01 | *** kick/#debian [Kurt!n=mbanck@host45.natpool.mwn.de] by azeem (you're offtopic) |
| 00:07.03 | dumbazzz | why would they want to filter incoming 25? |
| 00:07.05 | nvz | my forearm feels like its been twisted or something |
| 00:07.18 | Stevie | azeem: Thanks. I had run out of smartass things to reply to him with. |
| 00:07.22 | unfo | azeem: i feel better now :) |
| 00:07.26 | Kyral | heh |
| 00:07.33 | Kyral | now if he shows up in #ubuntu.. |
| 00:07.36 | Stevie | hahaha |
| 00:07.45 | Stevie | okay, guys, I gotta run. |
| 00:07.49 | azeem | Stevie: how about you don't feed trolls? |
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| 00:08.19 | deb_troll | Stevie : cookie please =) |
| 00:08.20 | nvz | heh |
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| 00:08.30 | Morydd | I can't seem to install (with apt) linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 Seems to be a disk space issue. my Boot sector is 7M any suggestions? |
| 00:08.52 | unfo | !help cookie |
| 00:09.04 | azeem | unfo: don't abuse the bot, please |
| 00:09.11 | dumbazzz | can anybody tell me about treetalk DNS?? |
| 00:09.11 | unfo | ok :( |
| 00:09.14 | azeem | or /msg it |
| 00:09.24 | gnufan | Morydd: if by boot sector you mean boot partition, next time make it the size the installer suggests :( |
| 00:09.37 | unfo | azeem: oh, i didn't know that was allowed. |
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| 00:10.14 | azeem | unfo: it's fine to /msg dpkg |
| 00:10.18 | dumbazzz | can anybody tell me about treetalk DNS?? |
| 00:10.37 | azeem | dumbazzz: please don't repeat questions |
| 00:10.39 | Morydd | gnufan: sorry, yes partition. What size is the installer suggesting now? I believe I did follow the suggestions when I first set up the machine several years ago. |
| 00:11.25 | unfo | dumbazzz: never heard of it |
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| 00:11.46 | gnufan | Morydd: Huge -- well I think it usually suggests a couple of hundred meg. Of course for many older machine there is no need to have a separate boot partition at all. |
| 00:11.57 | kuhwallskee | where can I get a dailybuild of DebianInstaller? |
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| 00:12.31 | unfo | kuhwallskee: probably from google :) |
| 00:12.50 | kuhwallskee | unfo, I searched.. couldn't really find much |
| 00:13.10 | loggygreg | kuhwallskee: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/ |
| 00:13.45 | unfo | kuhwallskee: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ seems to have links to weeklies and dailies. |
| 00:14.22 | loggygreg | kuhwallskee: aplogies it's debian cd |
| 00:14.36 | gnufan | Morydd: my /boot is only occupying 9MB, with 3 kernel images -- do you perchance have 2 kernels already installed? |
| 00:15.52 | kuhwallskee | unfo, loggygreg thanks guys |
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| 00:16.57 | unfo | kuhwallskee: np |
| 00:16.58 | Morydd | gnufan: only 2.6.14 and 2.6.15 |
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| 00:17.15 | nerdz | olá, alguém conhece uma ferramenta que verifique a presença de vulnerabilidades automaticamente? algo parecido com o que o nessus faz mas sem a necessidade da escrita de um pluggin/script? |
| 00:17.31 | beardy | !br |
| 00:17.31 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 00:17.56 | deadcat | i am reading "Debian Live" |
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| 00:19.00 | unfo | bye all |
| 00:19.07 | Kerr_ | 'lo ... some dweeb is packeting a friend's server. The ip he's connecting from has port 59/tcp open, according to knocker. Is there anything in debian i can use to test and see what is on that hacked box, so i can see about removing it? |
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| 00:19.18 | nerdz | hi, does anyone know an vulnerability assessment tool that fetches new vulnerabilities information automatically? like nessus, but without the need to write a pluggin or a script? |
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| 00:19.57 | CyberScript31 | hi all! |
| 00:20.10 | neuterspay | What's up CyberScript31 |
| 00:20.13 | neuterspay | What |
| 00:20.18 | neuterspay | 's up D13GU |
| 00:20.30 | D13GU__ | ? |
| 00:20.50 | Rokyu_ | is there any channel related to debian and live cd's? |
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| 00:21.01 | beardy | Rokyu_: #nameoflivecd |
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| 00:21.05 | D13GU__ | hi all! somebody have VPS company? |
| 00:21.14 | dydo | anyone know where a log for saslauthd would be kept? |
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| 00:22.12 | beardy | D13GU__: VPS? |
| 00:22.18 | Rokyu_ | beardy:? |
| 00:22.29 | D13GU__ | [beardy]: yes.. virtual private server |
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| 00:22.58 | D13GU__ | is a "dedicated server" :) |
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| 00:23.22 | PerfDave | D13GU__: http://www.bytemark.co.uk/ |
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| 00:23.36 | D13GU__ | [PerfDave]: is your? |
| 00:23.52 | Aghaster | how do i change the locale in debian? |
| 00:23.53 | beardy | Rokyu_: Debian does not have a livecd, at this time. You are probably looking for #knoppix, or whichever you are using. |
| 00:23.53 | phogg | D13GU__: you want to speak to the owner of such a company? |
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| 00:24.18 | D13GU__ | phogg yes |
| 00:24.22 | phogg | D13GU__: why? |
| 00:24.23 | abrotman | Rokyu_: what live CD? |
| 00:24.44 | Rokyu_ | I want to create a live cd from a debian install |
| 00:25.12 | D13GU__ | [phogg]: i'm from brazil, and a need more informations, payment forms etc... |
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| 00:25.28 | abrotman | Rokyu_: ok .. debian doesnt' have a liveCD |
| 00:25.38 | Rokyu_ | right |
| 00:25.45 | D13GU__ | ubuntu |
| 00:25.48 | beardy | Rokyu_: Have a look at the package called "bootcd". |
| 00:25.49 | Rokyu_ | i wanna create one of my one |
| 00:25.56 | abrotman | Rokyu_: ok .. so go ask a channel that makes a liveCD |
| 00:26.12 | loggygreg | Aghaster: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 00:26.18 | phogg | D13GU__: I still don't understand what it is that you need the owner of a virtual host company for. Unless you want advice on starting up a competitor. |
| 00:26.52 | beardy | Rokyu_: Search the web, there's probably a lot of howto:s on how to do it. And do what abrotman said, or visit their websites and look for information on how they have done it. |
| 00:26.56 | D13GU__ | phogg too... |
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| 00:27.04 | Rokyu_ | ;) |
| 00:27.06 | Rokyu_ | thx |
| 00:27.52 | beardy | D13GU__: Just ask your question. |
| 00:28.19 | phogg | D13GU__: don't /msg without asking, it's not polite |
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| 00:28.36 | beardy | I second that.. |
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| 00:28.45 | abrotman | /msg phogg FREE PR0N! .. www.google.com |
| 00:28.56 | D13GU__ | ... |
| 00:28.56 | Morydd | since it seems that my boot partition is currently too small, is there a way to work around that to install a new kernel image? |
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| 00:29.05 | phogg | abrotman: you're half right, thr free porn is at images.google.com |
| 00:29.08 | abrotman | Morydd: move it |
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| 00:29.21 | abrotman | *sniff* |
| 00:29.32 | Morydd | abrotman: move the partition or the image? |
| 00:29.53 | abrotman | move the directory |
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| 00:30.17 | abrotman | Morydd: how small is your /boot/? |
| 00:30.26 | beardy | Morydd: and don't forget to tell your bootloader about it, if you move /boot to another partition |
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| 00:30.57 | foo | Anyone familiar with tun/tap method of networking in UML? Having issues trying to set the IP address |
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| 00:31.50 | Morydd | abrotman: 7M |
| 00:32.02 | abrotman | hehe .. are you serious? |
| 00:32.25 | abrotman | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1445888 2005-10-09 14:20 initrd.img-2.6.12-1-686 |
| 00:32.25 | abrotman | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4552258 2006-03-03 08:11 initrd.img-2.6.15-1-686 |
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| 00:32.31 | abrotman | that's a hell of a difference ... |
| 00:32.52 | neuterspay | I'm looking for a good browser - is FireFox one of the absolute best? |
| 00:32.56 | neuterspay | Does Opera compare? |
| 00:33.01 | dydo | lynx |
| 00:33.04 | dydo | ;) |
| 00:33.07 | abrotman | i find opera better .. opinions vary |
| 00:33.10 | Morydd | abrotman: /dev/hdc1 7746 3355 3991 46% /boot |
| 00:33.13 | abrotman | opera is also not free |
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| 00:33.16 | nn-_ | the opera static package kicks ass |
| 00:33.19 | curt | 4593127 2006-03-02 20:37 initrd.img-2.6.15-1-686 |
| 00:33.21 | abrotman | Morydd: ok .. so move it |
| 00:33.22 | weasel00 | quick opinion, whats one of the most linux (esp. debian) compatable pcmcia nics? |
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| 00:34.03 | nn-_ | weasel00: xircom is a good brand to pick |
| 00:34.09 | dydo | yeah |
| 00:34.15 | Morydd | abrotman: looking up detailed info on how right now. |
| 00:34.28 | dydo | Morydd |
| 00:34.37 | dydo | mv initrd.img-2.6.15-1-686 ~ |
| 00:34.43 | abrotman | Morydd: you have to be very careful .. if you move it .. and don't tell the bootloader .. you'll be in for a world of hurt |
| 00:34.48 | weasel00 | cool, thanks guys... off to the store.. |
| 00:34.50 | abrotman | dydo: no .. that won't work |
| 00:35.13 | abrotman | i think the initrd needs to be on the same partition as the kernel |
| 00:35.21 | Morydd | there's part of me that's tempted to wipe that drive and start over. |
| 00:35.27 | abrotman | and who would put an initrd in $HOME |
| 00:35.42 | dydo | i dont understand why it would be that size anyhow |
| 00:36.00 | Morydd | (of course that's the same part of me that's tempted to tell my boss what I really think of her) |
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| 00:36.34 | weasel00 | nn-_ : didnt know xircom was bought up by intel... interesting |
| 00:36.41 | dydo | just do it and get it over with Morydd |
| 00:37.03 | nvz | Morydd: heh |
| 00:37.10 | dydo | being honest > * |
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| 00:38.02 | thingfish | ok well I don't hate Humana anymore. |
| 00:38.03 | nn-_ | weasel00: that's the reason why you will barely find any "Intel" nics |
| 00:38.32 | eeyore- | Morydd: have another job line up, then ask for a personal one on one session with the boss ;-) |
| 00:38.59 | Morydd | eeyore-: working on it. |
| 00:39.03 | dydo | lol |
| 00:39.08 | abrotman | dydo: there are limits to everything .. i can think of several instances where "lying" would be better |
| 00:39.16 | dydo | if your boss is cool enough it shouldnt matter ;) |
| 00:39.32 | dydo | abrotman... i guess that just depends on the person |
| 00:39.44 | dydo | i've always found being honest to be better |
| 00:39.45 | eeyore- | how's this for a headline? "russian customer finds corpse in secondhand car from japan" :-) |
| 00:39.51 | nvz | abrotman: you can always not say anything |
| 00:39.54 | abrotman | dydo: no . it depends on the situation |
| 00:40.09 | abrotman | dydo: "Oh yeah honey .. i meant to sleep with your sister .. she's way way hotter than you" |
| 00:40.19 | curt | oooooo |
| 00:40.37 | dydo | live by the "don't ask; don't tell" |
| 00:40.37 | abrotman | eeyore-: that's why i don't buy japanese cars! |
| 00:40.39 | gnufan | eeyore-: that'll be the punitive taxes for old cars making them an attractive exploit.. |
| 00:40.51 | dydo | i never said you had to be "OPEN" |
| 00:40.51 | dydo | i said be honest |
| 00:40.51 | gnufan | eeyore-: s/exploit/export/ |
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| 00:42.34 | weasel00 | honesty is a dbl bladed knife.. i have lost more than a few contracts cause i told them they prolly couldnt afford to pay for my time to fix their "little issue" lol |
| 00:42.43 | Morydd | okay, how's this theory sound: drive one is /root /var /boot etc. drive 2 is just /home copy all of drive 1 to drive 2 then use parted to re-partition drive 1 and re-install as needed. |
| 00:43.11 | abrotman | dydo: "don't ask;don't tell" != being honest |
| 00:43.25 | dydo | how isnt it? |
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| 00:44.02 | abrotman | are you serious? |
| 00:44.03 | gnufan | Morydd: wondering what you have in /root and /boot that is special... /var might have email, databases and websites... |
| 00:44.08 | weasel00 | the goverment seems to agree with abrotman ;) |
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| 00:44.19 | weasel00 | *US gov* |
| 00:44.35 | nemesis87 | Hallo |
| 00:44.44 | BMac2 | I am looking for an application to fit the following specs: command line, plays the audio in line through the laptop speakers |
| 00:44.52 | BMac2 | the input line is my XM Radio in my boat |
| 00:44.57 | Morydd | gnufan: don't know that there's anything in particular there, but figure backing it up to the other drive can't hurt. |
| 00:44.59 | nemesis87 | anybody here who can help me? |
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| 00:45.05 | BMac2 | any suggestions to an app? |
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| 00:45.10 | PerfDave | nemesis87: Ask a question, you may find out :) |
| 00:45.11 | abrotman | nemesis87: not til you ask |
| 00:45.16 | nemesis87 | ok |
| 00:45.18 | abrotman | BMac2: for debian? |
| 00:45.24 | BMac2 | yep |
| 00:45.32 | BMac2 | you mean the make another disto? |
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| 00:45.38 | BMac2 | :-) |
| 00:45.48 | EmeraldCat | Hello. Is there a central web site for Linux drivers, or does one not exist? I can't seem to locate one using Google. |
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| 00:45.55 | BMac2 | I have debian on the laptop already |
| 00:46.02 | nemesis87 | Ok i had a problem with a user so i deleted the user and created a new one with gnome |
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| 00:46.22 | nemesis87 | but now i can't user amarok with xine with this user |
| 00:46.24 | thingfish | extremely gay and OT remark: Madonna just fucking rules. |
| 00:46.39 | PerfDave | EmeraldCat: I've never heard of one, it would be fairly pointless. |
| 00:46.50 | gnufan | EmeraldCat: Yes - it is the kernel -- drivers not in the kernel are just randomly scattered, but some are in the kernel but disabled for various reasons - what are you after driving? |
| 00:46.51 | nemesis87 | any idea what i can do? |
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| 00:46.56 | abrotman | !lhd |
| 00:46.56 | dpkg | methinks lhd is the Linux Hardware Database, at http://lhd.datapower.com/. The information is contributed by people who actually used the hardware, so it can be patchy but is often more up-to-date than vendor reports |
| 00:47.01 | abrotman | if it's even there anymore |
| 00:47.05 | andres | Sorry for crossposting with #debian-x: Has anybody tried running xorg 6.9 or 7.0 without "-nolisten tcp"? Without it segfaults here but as i have down/upgraded between 6.9 and 7.0 multiple times im not sure where the failure lies |
| 00:47.07 | PerfDave | nemesis87: Add the user to group "audio"? |
| 00:47.12 | kurumin | jjjj |
| 00:47.17 | abrotman | andres: check the BTS |
| 00:47.18 | nvz | PerfDave: I've heard of one. its called kernel.org |
| 00:47.18 | PerfDave | !kurumin |
| 00:47.19 | dpkg | Kurumin Linux is a Brazilian run-from-CD Linux distribution based on Knoppix. That means it's not debian. Go away.. Ajuda pra Kurumin: http://www.kurumin.com.br |
| 00:47.22 | nemesis87 | doesnt works @ PerfDave |
| 00:47.40 | nn-_ | PerfDave: what's the debian way to add users to a group? |
| 00:47.45 | thingfish | kurumin: and no channel can help with stuck 'j' keys. |
| 00:47.47 | PerfDave | nn-_: "adduser user group" |
| 00:47.48 | beardy | EmeraldCat: Linux doesn't really have "drivers", what you mean is probably "kernel modules". |
| 00:48.09 | nemesis87 | with the user debian created while install amarok worked with xine |
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| 00:48.10 | EmeraldCat | PerfDave: Why would such a site be pointless? gnufan: Drivers are randomly scattered where? |
| 00:48.29 | PerfDave | EmeraldCat: Because it'd be out of date ;) |
| 00:48.33 | nemesis87 | and with root ist still works |
| 00:48.36 | phogg | andres: 6.8.2 without works for me. I'm in the process of upgrading to 6.9 so I'll see if that works soon. |
| 00:48.45 | nvz | EmeraldCat: www.kernel.org |
| 00:48.46 | PerfDave | nemesis87: Hang on, you've created a user, who can use amarok but not xine? |
| 00:48.47 | andres | abrotman, havent found anything yet |
| 00:48.53 | gnufan | EmeraldCat: what are you trying to drive? randomly scattered - well everywhere, on the Internet, on CDs |
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| 00:49.25 | nemesis87 | yes i can start amarok but don't can use the xine plugin |
| 00:49.27 | EmeraldCat | beardy: aren't "drivers" and "kernel modules" one and the same? Don't they perform the same functions? |
| 00:49.54 | andres | abrotman, just didnt want a to report a bug until i had some clue about the issue |
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| 00:50.05 | phogg | EmeraldCat: drivers can be compiled to be modules so they can be loaded at runtime. But they can also be compiled in statically. |
| 00:50.07 | beardy | EmeraldCat: Basically yes, but sometimes it's better to use the correct words for things. |
| 00:50.39 | nemesis87 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:50.44 | abrotman | andres: if you had a clue .. you'd include a patch :) |
| 00:50.45 | PerfDave | nemesis87: No :) |
| 00:50.53 | nemesis87 | -_- |
| 00:51.04 | PerfDave | nemesis87: Your user can play audio? |
| 00:51.04 | nemesis87 | can you help me :) |
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| 00:51.18 | nemesis87 | yes it plays systemsounds |
| 00:51.30 | PerfDave | nemesis87: OK, sounds like an amarok-specific question, and I don't use Amarok, sorry. |
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| 00:51.33 | beardy | EmeraldCat: Tell us what you are really looking for, support for what? |
| 00:51.35 | andres | abrotman, if you give me the hardware to compile Xorg in reasonable time i will... |
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| 00:51.38 | PerfDave | nemesis87: Maybe #amarok can help you. |
| 00:51.42 | thingfish | yeah, amarok is for kde weenies. |
| 00:51.51 | PerfDave | thingfish: Hey, I'm a KDE weenie, and I don't use Amarok. |
| 00:51.55 | nemesis87 | hm i don't think so becaus it is working with Root |
| 00:52.01 | abrotman | andres: why would you bother compiling it? |
| 00:52.05 | redguy | PerfDave: why not? |
| 00:52.11 | thingfish | PerfDave: well, of course I didn't mean *you*. ;) |
| 00:52.12 | andres | abrotman, in order to test my patch? |
| 00:52.12 | phogg | I'm doing an aptitude upgrade which is part-way done, and now dict pipes its output to $PAGER. Who decided that was a good idea? |
| 00:52.15 | nemesis87 | i don't use KDE |
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| 00:52.26 | abrotman | andres: if you can run xorg .. you can compile it :) |
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| 00:52.47 | ice_1963 | ' |
| 00:53.05 | EmeraldCat | gnufan: I'm not seeking any specific drivers, I'm just asking -- other OSes typically have one stop repo (e.g. driverguide.com) for their drivers, why wouldn't such a site for Linux be a good idea? [PerfDave: What do you mean by "it'd be out of date"?] |
| 00:53.16 | nimak | is there any way to make a second root? just wondering |
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| 00:53.25 | jejjei | ks |
| 00:53.27 | sixtymhz | Hey guys. I wanted to get someone advice on the difference between Debian and Ubuntu. I would goto #ubuntu and ask this but I know what they would say >_< but I wanted to know what the benefit it would be to use Debian over Ubuntu?? |
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| 00:53.45 | beardy | sixtymhz: Why can't you guess what we will say then? |
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| 00:54.15 | sixtymhz | Well I feel like the users with Debian would be more indepth rather than "Because its cool" type of answers. |
| 00:54.18 | maher | EmeraldCat: no one has bothered to set one up I guess |
| 00:54.27 | gnufan | EmeraldCat: because all the good quality free software drivers are already in the kernel.. Driverguide sucks, I'd get Windows drivers from Microsoft or the vendor |
| 00:54.37 | abrotman | sixtymhz: obviously debian is better |
| 00:55.05 | sixtymhz | I was hoppen for the indepth answer part >_< |
| 00:55.12 | phogg | sixtymhz: Debian has more packages, more control, and a longer release cycle. Ubuntu is for desktops, Debian is for everything. |
| 00:55.17 | PerfDave | redguy: I don't use Amarok because it doesn't have as good an interface as XMMS. |
| 00:55.18 | abrotman | !why debian |
| 00:55.18 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 00:55.20 | thingfish | sixtymhz: Debian's focus is on quality. Stability. Works as advertised. Ubuntu's focus is on "what's new". |
| 00:55.38 | abrotman | maybe someone should write a debian vs ubuntu factoid? |
| 00:55.45 | phogg | that'd be handy |
| 00:55.51 | PerfDave | dpkg: debian vs ubuntu is <reply> Ubuntu sucks! |
| 00:55.51 | dpkg | okay, PerfDave |
| 00:55.54 | beardy | sixtymhz: Right.. "/msg dpkg why debian" Think about which forks from who. Also consider the support Debian (when good questions is asked) VS Ubuntu have, you seem to already know about that. |
| 00:56.12 | sixtymhz | Right. |
| 00:56.18 | thingfish | nothing wrong with ubuntu (well, really, there is) - even ordered a set of 5.10 Cds. But I'm thinking of starting a pool to bet on how long it lasts on my computer. |
| 00:56.20 | gnufan | sixtymhz: What are you planning to do with the OS when you get it... the question is too broad. |
| 00:56.23 | maher | sixtymhz: free abuse on #debian! :) |
| 00:56.31 | curt | !debian vs ubuntu |
| 00:56.32 | dpkg | Ubuntu sucks! |
| 00:56.34 | kuhwallskee | I'm using a daily build of Debian Installer and when I try to install sid--unstable.. Well it searches for a file on the cdrom can't find it and fails... any ideas? |
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| 00:56.50 | thingfish | Debian people are always ready to abuse those who are vulnerable. |
| 00:56.54 | _GecKo | . |
| 00:56.54 | nemesis87 | PerfDave i can't use any other programms that play sound just the systemsounds r working |
| 00:57.00 | thingfish | it's like, we're the big cats. |
| 00:57.00 | phogg | maher: it ain't free, abuse is hard work! |
| 00:57.11 | PerfDave | nemesis87: You're using GNOME? Probably something horrible with ESD. |
| 00:57.12 | maher | kuhwallskee: if you want to debug the installer try #debian-boot - if you want to install unstable install stable and upgrade |
| 00:57.23 | nemesis87 | yes i use gnome |
| 00:57.27 | sixtymhz | phogg: More packages?? Doesnt ubuntu rsync with the debian packages? |
| 00:57.39 | nemesis87 | but it works with root user |
| 00:57.40 | PerfDave | nemesis87: Then it's probably something horrible with ESD. Sorry, I don't use Gnome so can't help. |
| 00:57.42 | thingfish | all must worship madonna. |
| 00:57.43 | phogg | sixtymhz: No. |
| 00:57.55 | jlj | is there any way to get icq file send working with masquerading? |
| 00:58.05 | kuhwallskee | maher: would isntalling testing work? |
| 00:58.06 | nvz | thingfish: put the bong down now |
| 00:58.06 | nemesis87 | oh fuck i don't want to reinstall debian |
| 00:58.11 | nvz | thingfish: back away |
| 00:58.12 | nemesis87 | 0_o |
| 00:58.14 | thingfish | I mean, gawd, you can do anything to that girl and she looks killer. |
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| 00:58.25 | gnufan | phogg: is you want to charge people for abuse, we have a few websites you might like at work ;) |
| 00:58.32 | EmeraldCat | gnufan: driverguide.com is mainly a repository for commerical drivers... I think it would be a good idea to centralize all (or almost all) drivers for Linux, to save users' time. Otherwise, like gnufan said, "drivers are scattered all over the place", making them hard to find. |
| 00:58.34 | maher | kuhwallskee: probably |
| 00:58.37 | thingfish | hehe nvz no! it's (the bong) what keeps me sane-ish! |
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| 00:58.43 | PerfDave | Eww, madonna. |
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| 00:58.48 | kuhwallskee | maher: will it owrk from the installer or is this still the wrong place to ask? |
| 00:58.49 | maher | nemesis87: you don't need to reinstall - can yo play sounds as an ordinary user? |
| 00:58.52 | thingfish | oh you blaspheme |
| 00:58.53 | phogg | gnufan: do tell |
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| 00:59.18 | maher | kuhwallskee: will what work? if you can install either stable or testing it is easy to switch to unstable |
| 00:59.40 | thingfish | you obviously have not watched enough of her videos, PerfDave. |
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| 00:59.54 | PerfDave | thingfish: I've watched enough. She's not particularly attractive, and she's a whore to the music industry. |
| 00:59.55 | gnufan | EmeraldCat: I already said, the best drivers are already in the kernel -- I guess proprietary vendors could organise themselves better, but I really don't care for proprietary drivers - they usually just crash and burn your system. |
| 01:00.00 | Kerr_ | i'm getting errors when attempting to apt-get nessusd in sarge.. |
| 01:00.03 | Kerr_ | Setting up nessusd (2.2.3-3) ... |
| 01:00.04 | Kerr_ | HOME should be defined |
| 01:00.16 | Kerr_ | What went went wrong? |
| 01:00.20 | thingfish | PerfDave: well, she's a whore - I'll give you that. But the rest - you're wrong. |
| 01:00.22 | EmeraldCat | even if the site was just a collection of links, that would already be a good-sized step forward for Linux Hardware support. |
| 01:00.26 | sixtymhz | How is Debian on updating packages?? Reason I ask is because I don't like when something new comes out, I get the email about it, and its not even in the repos till like God knows when. For instance.. I think nmap3.8? is still in the Ubuntu repos but the new nmap4 is so much better in a lot of ways. So I didnt know if Debian was on top of the updating? |
| 01:00.26 | PerfDave | Kerr_: Have you checked the BTS? |
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| 01:00.35 | phogg | thingfish: Madonna has 'it', whatever it is. |
| 01:00.43 | PerfDave | phogg: Syphilis, possibly ;) |
| 01:00.45 | thingfish | gaps in teeth do not necessarily disqualify one from being attractive. |
| 01:00.47 | beardy | !sns syndrome |
| 01:00.47 | dpkg | from memory, sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 01:00.50 | nvz | haha |
| 01:00.52 | phogg | PerfDave: more than likely. |
| 01:00.53 | thingfish | phogg: you fricking know it. |
| 01:00.53 | maher | EmeraldCat: there are no obstacles to setting up such a site if you want |
| 01:00.56 | vulture | sixtymhz: if you find Ubuntu doesn't move fast enough, Debian isn't really going to help you |
| 01:00.56 | gnufan | phogg: as far as I can tell the ISP I work for started with a site on how to correctly punish school girls.... that one has gone now.... |
| 01:01.11 | thingfish | that girl can turn it out. |
| 01:01.12 | maher | sixtymhz: these are debian faq questions |
| 01:01.19 | sixtymhz | Sorry mather. |
| 01:01.20 | phogg | gnufan: ah, so sad. |
| 01:01.26 | beardy | !faq |
| 01:01.26 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 01:01.28 | sixtymhz | Ill lokk into the faqs. Thanks guys. |
| 01:01.30 | PerfDave | That girl can turn my stomach ;) |
| 01:01.31 | thingfish | maher: madonna-related questions are OK, too. |
| 01:01.38 | maher | sixtymhz: basically stable only gets security updates |
| 01:01.38 | EmeraldCat | gnufan: "but I really don't care for proprietary drivers - they usually just crash and burn your system" -- I think you are confusing proprietary drivers with scratch-built drivers... |
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| 01:01.47 | maher | thingfish: madonna is in the faq too... |
| 01:01.52 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:01.55 | thingfish | I wish |
| 01:01.58 | thingfish | at least today. |
| 01:02.02 | Kerr_ | PerfDave: can't say i have :-/ |
| 01:02.06 | PerfDave | EmeraldCat: Nah, propriatery drivers can cause much hassle on your system IME. |
| 01:02.09 | Daveman | Hi thingfish |
| 01:02.15 | PerfDave | Kerr_: If it's a common problem, it should be there. |
| 01:02.16 | thingfish | hi Daveman, how are you? |
| 01:02.17 | dpkg | thingfish: mas o menos |
| 01:02.29 | thingfish | wow, where did that come from. |
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| 01:02.33 | beardy | heh ? |
| 01:03.13 | phogg | EmeraldCat: the nvidia drivers, which I'm ashamed to say I use, have caused me 99% of my system crashes. All other crashes have been me + stupidity + root. |
| 01:03.21 | sixtymhz | Any word on getting sguil ported to repos? |
| 01:03.22 | Kerr_ | PerfDave: not there. |
| 01:03.26 | Phated | thingfish: It randomly responds to "hi". |
| 01:03.28 | EmeraldCat | PerfDav: Perhaps so, but the propriatery vendor is hopefully the same vendor that produces the hardware, so they should know their stuff. |
| 01:03.42 | PerfDave | Kerr_: Report it? :) |
| 01:03.49 | PerfDave | EmeraldCat: "should" :) |
| 01:03.56 | EmeraldCat | :) |
| 01:04.13 | thingfish | Phated: ah - I was puzzled then. Poor thing, no doubt longs to be included in conversations. |
| 01:04.23 | pavlovsdog | nvidia-glx |
| 01:04.23 | thingfish | hi, dpkg |
| 01:04.44 | thingfish | !hi you poor thing. |
| 01:04.48 | gnufan | EmeraldCat: I think that day passed a long time ago. Few people know how an OS fits together, even the basic kernel features. Drivers have to support SMP, and all sorts of fancy stuff these days to be "stable". |
| 01:04.49 | PerfDave | EmeraldCat: It's not just a matter of knowing the hardware, it's a matter of writing a driver which works well with a variety of kernels and can react well to kernel API changes. And propriatery software just isn't very good at that, not least because there's little financial incentive to support the Linux market well, and over a long period of time, for propriatery software. |
| 01:04.50 | thingfish | :/ |
| 01:04.53 | pavlovsdog | !botsnack |
| 01:04.53 | dpkg | :), pavlovsdog |
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| 01:05.40 | Phated | thingfish: Indeed. |
| 01:06.36 | EmeraldCat | PerfDave, gnufan: well, don't you agree that the Linux community should come together and get more far more organized about writing drivers, since propriatery vendors don't seem to care? |
| 01:06.41 | foo | Alright, I set the IP of tap0 on my UML system, but it logs into the host, and I need it to connect to the UML ... any ideas? Hmm. |
| 01:06.42 | thingfish | and a collection of madonna CDs. |
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| 01:07.13 | EmeraldCat | isn't the lack of drivers hampering Linux growth? |
| 01:07.16 | PerfDave | EmeraldCat: To say that the Linux community "should" do anything is to misunderstand the way that the Linux community works (tip: read The Cathederal And The Bazaar, odious as ESR is mostly) |
| 01:07.17 | phogg | EmeraldCat: obviously you're new here |
| 01:07.21 | pavlovsdog | god you don't like Phated eh thingfish |
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| 01:07.43 | pavlovsdog | madona-- |
| 01:07.46 | PerfDave | EmeraldCat: Also, the "Linux community" *is* fantastically good at writing drivers for all sorts of hardware, often for no reward other than personal satisfaction, with very few resources. |
| 01:07.48 | thingfish | what? I think Phated is way cool. why do you say that, pavlovsdog? |
| 01:07.49 | phogg | EmeraldCat: the mistake you make is to advocate organization |
| 01:08.00 | pavlovsdog | give the gift of madonna.. yuck |
| 01:08.03 | abrotman | thingfish: pavlovsdog is jetscreamer |
| 01:08.14 | thingfish | Phated is way way way cool, and much missed for her not-so-frequent participation in things. |
| 01:08.27 | PerfDave | EmeraldCat: Though if a hardware manufacturer releases specs for their hardware, and gives a few instances away to hackers, then it'll help Free drivers for their hardware to be written. |
| 01:08.31 | thingfish | tsk abrotman I am so easily deceived. |
| 01:08.35 | maher | EmeraldCat: yes - lack of drivers hiners growth - but ultimately its the hw manufacturers' job to provide drivers... |
| 01:08.44 | EmeraldCat | phogg: "the mistake you make is to advocate organization" -- That's pretty sad... |
| 01:08.47 | pavlovsdog | no, pavlovsdog is jetscreamer going insane.. there is a small but important difference |
| 01:08.54 | Phated | Oy, I like madonna. |
| 01:08.56 | lightcap | where does the tmpfs filesystem get mounted on /dev/shm? I don't see it in /etc/fstab |
| 01:08.58 | thingfish | well, we're all going insane. |
| 01:08.59 | phogg | EmeraldCat: we disorganize to write drivers. It's much more effective. |
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| 01:09.17 | Phated | thingfish: Heh, if I knew I'd be getting free cocktails just for remarking on dpkg, I'd do it more. |
| 01:09.19 | thingfish | I mean, look around - there are a lot of short bus riders in this channel, I'll bet. |
| 01:09.22 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:09.27 | EmeraldCat | phogg: How so? |
| 01:09.30 | PerfDave | EmeraldCat: To be honest, I don't think lack of hardware support is significantly affecting Linux growth. Linux works pretty well on the majority of hardware, and if you have a particular task to complete, it's not hard to find Linux-friendly hardware to do it with. |
| 01:09.33 | abrotman | pavlovsdog: stop ringning the bell |
| 01:09.50 | pavlovsdog | we've gone beyond bells... |
| 01:09.57 | phogg | EmeraldCat: organizations break down. Disorganizations are very resiliant in whole, but not in part. |
| 01:09.59 | Phated | Ding-a=ling. |
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| 01:10.05 | thingfish | well Phated, my idea is that #debian has a new, welcoming, accommodating staff - and full bar. |
| 01:10.14 | gnufan | foo: I set the IP of the tap0 to something entirely out of the range at boot, and then use /etc/rc.boot to create a bridge -- best way IMHO |
| 01:10.25 | weasel00 | !beer everyone |
| 01:10.31 | Phated | thingfish: Since when? |
| 01:10.34 | foo | gnufan: hmm, I see |
| 01:10.35 | nvz | Phated: drugs are bad, mmm kay? |
| 01:10.36 | thingfish | and of course, there would also be the Amsterdam Room... |
| 01:10.37 | Phated | thingfish: More importantly, why? |
| 01:10.44 | weasel00 | belgian? sweet! |
| 01:10.54 | maher | EmeraldCat: you aren't making any mistakes - but lack of drivers is mainly caused by hw makers not releasing specs, and only secondly by volunteers not writing them |
| 01:10.54 | thingfish | Phated: fascism. It's all the rage. Don't you want to play? |
| 01:11.11 | wireddd | thingfish, I second the full bar! |
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| 01:11.39 | thingfish | wireddd: and no cheap liquors. Strictly name brand stuff. |
| 01:11.52 | phogg | EmeraldCat: hardware compatability is largely a solved problem, except in a few cases and for the newest stuff. It would be hard to do it better without the manufacturers writing GPL drivers with public CVS access |
| 01:11.55 | thingfish | I hate cheap well drinks. |
| 01:12.02 | abrotman | thingfish: and Lager?!!?!?!?!? |
| 01:12.02 | EmeraldCat | PerfDave: "it's not hard to find Linux-friendly hardware to do it with" -- If you've already got Linux-unfriendly, Microsoft-friendly hardware, then where's the motivation to buy Linux-friendly hardware? Money doesn't grow on bushes. |
| 01:12.04 | wireddd | if only you could route liquids through fiber |
| 01:12.14 | abrotman | wireddd: you can .. very slowly :) |
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| 01:12.18 | thingfish | abrotman: well, of course lagers are *always* appropriate. |
| 01:12.28 | abrotman | thingfish: Yuengling! |
| 01:12.40 | thingfish | providing they're bottle conditioned and made not more than 50 miles from where you live. |
| 01:12.44 | lightcap | actually, what is the tmpfs partition mounted at /dev/shm for? isn't /dev/shm shared memory? |
| 01:12.47 | Phated | thingfish: I'm not sure. |
| 01:12.50 | Phated | nvz: Heh. |
| 01:12.52 | maher | EmeraldCat: who is going to get the specs? who is going to be paid / volunteer to write the drivers? if your hw doesn't work lobby the manafacturer... |
| 01:12.52 | SerajewelKS | EmeraldCat: it does on my genetically engineered bush |
| 01:13.14 | PerfDave | EmeraldCat: Linux-unfriendly hardware is the exception, rather than the rule. And hardware gets replaced over time. |
| 01:13.19 | phogg | EmeraldCat: I challenge you to find hardware on which Linux wont run but Windows will. Sometimes a few of the newer chipsets don't work, but that's about it. |
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| 01:13.34 | EmeraldCat | everyone: you mean to tell me that "Linux doesn't support a lot of hardware" is FUD? |
| 01:13.43 | loggygreg | lightcap: see /etc/init.d/mountdevsubfs.sh |
| 01:13.43 | EmeraldCat | phogg: WinModems? |
| 01:13.44 | phogg | EmeraldCat: Yes |
| 01:13.45 | maher | EmeraldCat: if/when linux gets 10-20% market share the manufacturers will probably be more interested in writing drivers... |
| 01:13.47 | reind | Can anyone point me to a howto on getting sound working with debian testing and gnome 2.12 ? |
| 01:13.56 | Phated | winmodems better be the exception ;) |
| 01:13.57 | phogg | EmeraldCat: some of them do work. But, touche. |
| 01:13.59 | abrotman | EmeraldCat: it installed on my laptop .. brand new out of the box |
| 01:14.00 | lightcap | loggygreg: thanks |
| 01:14.01 | thingfish | oh - sorry - didn't mean to mention "fascism" while talking to someone from singapore. |
| 01:14.17 | thingfish | kissies |
| 01:14.20 | Phated | Stop talking and start mixing, barkeep. |
| 01:14.36 | thingfish | hey, tell me what you want, I'll whip it up. |
| 01:14.38 | lightcap | loggygreg: I don't have that |
| 01:14.44 | maher | reind: did you add yourself to the audio group |
| 01:14.45 | lightcap | mountvirtfs? |
| 01:14.56 | thingfish | I'll make you a margarita from freshly squeezed lime juice. |
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| 01:15.01 | Phated | thingfish: Bloody mary. Or chocolate martini. |
| 01:15.16 | thingfish | or a pina colada from real coconut milk and pineapple juice. |
| 01:15.23 | abrotman | Tequila! |
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| 01:15.31 | thingfish | ooh, I can make you a killer bloody mary. I use aquavit. |
| 01:15.33 | Phated | That actually sounds good. Pina colada it is! |
| 01:15.38 | Phated | Oh, bloody mary then :P |
| 01:15.51 | thingfish | they're to die for. |
| 01:15.51 | phogg | thingfish: I'll have a Love in the South Pacific. |
| 01:15.52 | loggygreg | lightcap: it is in the initscripts package you should have it |
| 01:16.00 | Phated | thingfish: Not literally? |
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| 01:16.27 | gnufan | !tell reind about sound |
| 01:16.28 | reind | maher i'll try that now, thx |
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| 01:16.40 | reind | thx gnufan |
| 01:16.40 | lightcap | loggygreg: it's not in my initscripts :/ |
| 01:16.41 | EmeraldCat | but if "Linux doesn't support a lot of hardware" is FUD, then what of the many people who complain that Linux doesn't support this and that? Are they some sort of weird exceptions? |
| 01:16.41 | thingfish | Phated: no, I mean they're pretty darn good, if I do say so myself. |
| 01:16.48 | Phated | thingfish: Cor, carry on then. |
| 01:16.53 | abrotman | EmeraldCat: what doesn't it support? |
| 01:16.54 | thingfish | phogg: what's in that? |
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| 01:17.03 | lightcap | there's a mountvirtfs and mountall.sh |
| 01:17.07 | thingfish | I'm not good with shot drinks. |
| 01:17.14 | maher | EmeraldCat: there are many devices not supported by linux - there is no point arguing about such things |
| 01:17.30 | thingfish | but I tell you what - I make the best martini you'll ever drink in your life. |
| 01:17.31 | abrotman | thingfish: make me a Double GOld! |
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| 01:17.39 | reind | maher : yes im in the audio group |
| 01:17.43 | loggygreg | lightcap: (sorry only on etch distrib) try 'grep -lr devpts /etc/init.d |
| 01:17.50 | PerfDave | EmeraldCat: Often they're people who have bought very modern systems which has hardware with which Linux hasn't yet caught up. |
| 01:17.56 | abrotman | maher: yeah .. but many standard things are supported |
| 01:17.57 | thingfish | the trick is, the proper amount of vermouth. more than that - I'm keeping to myself. |
| 01:17.57 | maher | reind: were you in the audio group when you logged in to you currrent session? |
| 01:18.04 | abrotman | thingfish: DOUBLE GOLD |
| 01:18.08 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:18.10 | loggygreg | lightcap: sorry 'grep -r tmpfs /etc/init.d/' |
| 01:18.11 | maher | abrotman: there is no contradiction there |
| 01:18.15 | reind | maher yep :) |
| 01:18.19 | wireddd | EmeraldCat, yes there are many people who complain about linux doesn't support device X, but there are many more people who don't complain |
| 01:18.30 | lightcap | loggygreg: but what's it for? |
| 01:18.31 | abrotman | thingfish: http://www.drinkswap.com/drinks/detail.asp?recipe_id=9266 |
| 01:18.49 | lightcap | loggygreg: I don't see a tempdir variable set by default to use it... |
| 01:18.58 | abrotman | maher: dunno . there are lots of pieces that i wouldn't care if it was supported :) |
| 01:19.00 | reind | maher im following the guide on http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard that gnufan linked me to, i'll post how it goes |
| 01:19.19 | gnufan | EmeraldCat: there are some things not supports, or not supported well, usually things like obscure mobile phones. A lot of the not supported stuff of old was Win Modems and even some of them worked. Main pain at the moment is limited 802.11g. If you really want, and don't care about free software you can use Windows drivers for a lot of weird network cards like the 802.11g |
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| 01:19.32 | loggygreg | lightcap: these scripts mount tmpfs |
| 01:19.33 | lightcap | loggygreg: ah, nevermind |
| 01:19.41 | abrotman | thingfish: double gold! |
| 01:19.46 | lightcap | loggygreg: good explanation in the file :) |
| 01:19.49 | maher | reind: also strace is your friend |
| 01:20.05 | EmeraldCat | Look at this guy who weaves a horror story about Linux hardware support: http://www.desktoplinux.com/cgi-bin/board/UltraBoard.pl?Action=ShowPost&Board=linvwin&Post=560&Idle=0&Sort=0&Order=Descend&Page=0&Session= More FUD? |
| 01:20.10 | thingfish | ooh, abrotman - I'm intrigued. |
| 01:20.12 | goldenaura | hi. i would like to install a mailserver in my debian sarge, so i could redirect MXrecord from my domain to my machine, having this way my mail account associated with my domain. What is the best and most well integrated mailserver for Debian? |
| 01:20.13 | PerfDave | gnufan: And there are still plenty of 802.11g cards which work with Free drivers, and even without firmware. |
| 01:20.17 | abrotman | thingfish: cinnamon tequila! |
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| 01:20.28 | thingfish | abrotman: that fucks you up royal, no doubt. |
| 01:20.30 | PerfDave | goldenaura: You should already have exim4 installed |
| 01:20.32 | maher | goldenaura: exim4 is default |
| 01:20.40 | abrotman | thingfish: it's a good way to go :) |
| 01:20.44 | thingfish | hahaha |
| 01:20.58 | lightcap | loggygreg: but I still don't quite get what the tmpfs partition is being used for on a default sarge install... |
| 01:21.01 | reind | maher gnufan just needed to run alsaconfig. thanks for your help |
| 01:21.09 | goldenaura | PerfDave: And can i use exim4 to receive and send mails, accessing the mail via Web? |
| 01:21.19 | EmeraldCat | everyone: nevertheless, a centralized web site for Linux drivers _would_ be a good help to Linux community, would it not? |
| 01:21.32 | loggygreg | lightcap: if you want to use it |
| 01:21.32 | PerfDave | EmeraldCat: I don't see why. |
| 01:21.39 | maher | goldenaura: no - use something like squirrelmail for a web based mail client |
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| 01:21.52 | goldenaura | maher: cool, thanks |
| 01:21.52 | thingfish | EmeraldCat: no. no new ideas are good ideas. |
| 01:21.53 | loggygreg | lightcap: if you want you can |
| 01:22.02 | PerfDave | goldenaura: exim4 is an SMTP server. If you want webmail, you will need to use an SMTP server, an IMAP server, a web server and some webmail software. |
| 01:22.10 | reind | In the last few months I've noticed that xorg isnt able to start normally as a non-root user after a reboot. But, if i first login and out with root, then subsequent startx's by non-root users succeed (well, until i reboot again) any idea what's going on here? |
| 01:22.16 | PerfDave | EmeraldCat: If you want to start one up and try to get people to use it, go ahead. |
| 01:22.19 | maher | EmeraldCat: probably - why not set one up? just a page with hw device name / appropriate driver / status would be convenient |
| 01:22.23 | goldenaura | PerfDave: thanks |
| 01:22.47 | lightcap | loggygreg: does anything *depend* on it? or can I get rid of it and create a new one at /tmp/uml withoug any significant repercussions? |
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| 01:23.29 | loggygreg | lightcap: you can try, i don't know |
| 01:23.32 | magyar | Does Nvidia Nforce chipset for motherboards opened to linux kernel comunity? |
| 01:23.33 | chealer9 | reind: what do you mean by "isnt able to start normally"? |
| 01:23.35 | EmeraldCat | maher: I don't know a lot about Linux hardware, so I would need a lot of help compiling such a list. |
| 01:23.49 | chealer9 | magyar: what do you mean? |
| 01:24.11 | PerfDave | EmeraldCat: Go the Open Source route - set up your website as a wiki or something, so many people can compile it. |
| 01:24.13 | abrotman | there is a central site .. somewhere |
| 01:24.20 | reind | chealer9 it starts, the gnome splash screen starts up. mouse appears active. but then i get dumped back out to the console |
| 01:24.20 | unstable | magyar: no it's closed proprietary driver. |
| 01:24.28 | magyar | chealer9, well, Intel has all the specs available to linux kernel, like 955 945 and so forth |
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| 01:24.44 | reind | chealer9 but, if i first startx as root, then i can then startx as non-root without any problems |
| 01:24.52 | PerfDave | unstable, maygar: IIRC nForce 2 has a reverse-engineered Free driver (forcedeth) but nForce 4 doesn't. |
| 01:25.12 | EmeraldCat | PerfDave: Can you point me in some direction that would help me set up a wiki-site? |
| 01:25.14 | PerfDave | Oh, if only there were a centralised Linux hardware driver site where people could check about nForce chipsets! :) |
| 01:25.15 | magyar | unstable, so all the nforce mobos are proprietery drivers ? |
| 01:25.15 | abrotman | aw crap . |
| 01:25.15 | maher | google: linux compatibility |
| 01:25.16 | abrotman | magyar: no |
| 01:25.35 | chealer9 | reind: it gets as far as gnome? are you sure it's not a GNOME issue? |
| 01:25.51 | PerfDave | EmeraldCat: Well, many wiki sites these days use the mediawiki software that runs Wikipedia, but there is a lot of wiki software available; try googling for "wiki software" or something. |
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| 01:26.12 | stew | PerfDave: i have an nforce4 that is working with forcedeth |
| 01:26.17 | magyar | PerfDave, the new AM2 socket Nforce chipset will not be available to kernel developers? |
| 01:26.20 | PerfDave | stew: I could be wrong ;) |
| 01:26.23 | PerfDave | magyar: Ask nVidia :) |
| 01:26.36 | reind | chealer9 good point |
| 01:26.52 | chealer9 | magyar: your question is not very clear. ("available to kernel developers") |
| 01:26.56 | stew | PerfDave: but i don't doubt that there are other nforce4 versions that aren't working |
| 01:27.17 | PerfDave | EmeraldCat: However, I'd suggest you read "The Cathederal and the Bazaar" to get a better handle on the Open Source development method, along with some of Richard Stallman's essays on Free Software and hardware specifications, before you go ahead with this project. |
| 01:27.21 | magyar | chealer9, i mean the chipset specks and so forth |
| 01:27.41 | magyar | chealer9, as i know nvidia will not provide any specs to driver developers |
| 01:27.45 | unstable | And once I sent him an email asking about a package and if he was going to orphan it...I later go this email... |
| 01:28.05 | unstable | "She wants a better sex? All you need's here! " |
| 01:28.25 | PerfDave | magyar: What's the difference betwen a kernel developer and a driver developer, in this regard? |
| 01:28.27 | EmeraldCat | PerfDave: ok. |
| 01:28.45 | unstable | From "Simon, she wants better sex" |
| 01:28.48 | azeem | unstable: eh, are you talking in the wrong window? |
| 01:29.01 | Ronin | or living up to the nick perhaps? |
| 01:29.12 | unstable | azeem: yea that was meant for #debian-devel |
| 01:29.12 | unstable | heh |
| 01:29.23 | abrotman | right .. so much better there |
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| 01:29.38 | wireddd | heh |
| 01:30.05 | phogg | I think I know now why there's such a long release cycle... |
| 01:30.05 | CompWizrd | i have to get a tyan k8we working in debian, i hope its easy.. still waiting for the supermicro 932T case. |
| 01:30.25 | wireddd | did you just install unstable? |
| 01:30.29 | magyar | PerfDave, as far as i know nvidia does not provide any specs for their video hardware, so i just want to know if this applies to motherboard chipsets |
| 01:30.44 | abrotman | nvidia is an evil company |
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| 01:30.51 | curt | I am sure that it does |
| 01:30.52 | PerfDave | EmeraldCat: Also read "The Corporation", it's a fantastic book :) |
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| 01:31.59 | ma3x | is there virtual dub for debian? |
| 01:32.11 | abrotman | a what? |
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| 01:32.29 | azeem | virtual dub is like transcode for Windows I think |
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| 01:32.51 | curt | !dub |
| 01:32.51 | dpkg | somebody said dub was a directory based playlist plugin that's meant to be fast, simple and with the kind of functionality you'd expect from a digital player. it's currently in kdeaddons/noatun-plugins. use it dammit |
| 01:32.53 | ma3x | only for windows? |
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| 01:33.05 | thingfish | who said anything about windows? |
| 01:33.08 | thingfish | oh |
| 01:33.09 | ma3x | curt inform yourself better |
| 01:33.15 | ma3x | I know it's for windows |
| 01:33.17 | PerfDave | magyar: What is this "virtual dub" of which you speak? |
| 01:33.19 | ma3x | but is there a linux version too? |
| 01:33.20 | PerfDave | ARgh |
| 01:33.21 | curt | !esad |
| 01:33.21 | dpkg | Hey curt, Eat Shit and DIE! |
| 01:33.27 | JasonX | is there a wget to save to specific filename eg grab http://www.test.com/pic.jpg and save locally as /tmp/monkeys.jpg |
| 01:33.31 | PerfDave | ma3x: What is this "virtual dub" of which you speak? |
| 01:33.31 | curt | to myself nice... |
| 01:33.35 | abrotman | ma3x: stop being rude |
| 01:33.36 | PerfDave | JasonX: Yes, man wget |
| 01:33.40 | ma3x | i ain't being rude |
| 01:33.44 | abrotman | ma3x: tell us what virtual dub is .. |
| 01:33.52 | ma3x | PerfDave, it's a capture/transcoding program |
| 01:33.56 | thingfish | all I know is, I am only staying alive so I can enjoy the pure bliss that windows vista will be. |
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| 01:34.04 | abrotman | ma3x: you mean to copy video from an input |
| 01:34.06 | chealer9 | magyar: yeah, that's more clear |
| 01:34.15 | JasonX | I have man wget and played around for an hour - no joy -O doesnt seem to work |
| 01:34.30 | PerfDave | ma3x: What does it do? |
| 01:34.30 | mentor | !forget esad |
| 01:34.31 | dpkg | i forgot esad, mentor |
| 01:34.31 | magyar | chealer9, i didnt catch that |
| 01:34.33 | ma3x | abrotman, to transcode it as well and many other features |
| 01:34.39 | phogg | abrotman: transcoding doesn't copy from an input so much as convert from one encoding to another, |
| 01:34.41 | thingfish | gosh, I can't even troll well today. |
| 01:34.49 | chealer9 | magyar: your question about chipset specifications |
| 01:34.54 | ma3x | PerfDave, a lot of useful stuff with video |
| 01:35.00 | PerfDave | JasonX: "cd /tmp; wget -O monkeys.jpg http://www.test.com/pic.jpg" |
| 01:35.01 | abrotman | ma3x: did you look at the mplayer stuff? |
| 01:35.16 | vulture | ffmpeg seemed to do some simple recoding quite nicely.. |
| 01:35.17 | wireddd | ma3x no there is no virtual dub for linux, there are alternatives though |
| 01:35.20 | magyar | chealer9, so what would be the choice: Intel or Nforce? |
| 01:35.20 | abrotman | thingfish: DOUBLE GOLD! |
| 01:35.24 | PerfDave | ma3x: There is LInux software to transcode, recode and edit videos. |
| 01:35.24 | lightcap | so if I want to mount a new tmpfs filesystem is the debian way to add it in /etc/fstab or somewhere else? |
| 01:35.25 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:35.33 | PerfDave | magyar: Opteron! :) |
| 01:35.34 | thingfish | you boozer you. |
| 01:35.40 | abrotman | thingfish: i haven't had one in years |
| 01:35.43 | ma3x | PerfDave, what? mencoder? |
| 01:35.53 | ma3x | it sucks, you always have to use the damn console |
| 01:35.54 | abrotman | thingfish: but i do love tequila .. and i do love goldschlagger |
| 01:35.58 | ma3x | it makes life hard |
| 01:36.00 | phogg | ma3x: so get a front end |
| 01:36.06 | magyar | PerfDave, Opteron is based on Nforce |
| 01:36.09 | abrotman | ma3x: oh .. i feel for you .. now go back to windows |
| 01:36.16 | thingfish | abrotman: you tequila lovers I'll just never understand. |
| 01:36.28 | drusscol | is there any utility that does a good job of getting an image from a filesystem despite read errors (i.e., doesn't just sit there trying to read)? dd_rescue is just as slow as rsync. |
| 01:36.41 | PerfDave | magyar: Not all Opteron chipsets are nForce-based. |
| 01:36.41 | wireddd | ma3x, try kino |
| 01:36.45 | thingfish | I mean, make it out of peyote cactus, and I might drink it. |
| 01:36.50 | phogg | ma3x: there are several video editing GUIs for Linux, including front ends for mencoder/transcode/etc. Try some googling. |
| 01:36.51 | ma3x | wireddd, I am using kino for capture |
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| 01:37.10 | magyar | PerfDave, what alternatives are avail? |
| 01:37.20 | curt | lightcap, if you want it setup permanently, yes |
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| 01:37.35 | lightcap | curt: thanks |
| 01:37.39 | wireddd | ma3x well what is it you are trying to do? |
| 01:37.44 | PerfDave | magyar: Ask #debian-amd64, but I know I've used non-nForce-based Opteron chipsets before. |
| 01:37.59 | chealer9 | magyar: in general? Intel. for GPUs, definitely Intel. Intel are still annoying with Centrino and IPW requiring proprietary firmware |
| 01:38.16 | JasonX | perfdave: OK I was doing "wget -O /tmp/monkeys.jpg .... " so you cannot specify a full path name for the destination. |
| 01:38.21 | mentor | EWWWW. |
| 01:38.28 | mentor | Running Opteron on nForce. |
| 01:38.38 | abrotman | thingfish: it's good for you |
| 01:38.43 | PerfDave | JasonX: Well, I don't know for sure, but if that doesn't work for you, maybe not. |
| 01:38.51 | abrotman | PerfDave: they exist |
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| 01:39.10 | phogg | whoa, when did dillo get frames support? |
| 01:39.20 | ma3x | wireddd, transcode raw avi to divx/xvid |
| 01:39.24 | nimak | phogg, when DSL played with it |
| 01:39.42 | mentor | Opterons generally have VIA and/or AMD own brand chipsets |
| 01:39.49 | curt | phogg, have to change dpkg's about dillo then |
| 01:39.52 | nimak | the damn small people also added tab support, phogg |
| 01:40.02 | abrotman | mentor: Athlon64 is lots of nforce boards |
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| 01:40.03 | CompWizrd | oh gawd.. who would put a via chipset on an opteron??? |
| 01:40.05 | wireddd | ma3x, yeah thats definatly something you want to use mencoder to do |
| 01:40.15 | nimak | !dillo |
| 01:40.15 | dpkg | it has been said that dillo is a GTK+ based browser that's small, stable, developer-friendly, usable, fast, and extensible. http://dillo.sourceforge.net/, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/screenshots/dillo.png, or damned fast, but no frames |
| 01:40.20 | phogg | nimak: It seems as fast as ever, so I like. |
| 01:40.24 | wireddd | ma3x, there are gui frontents for it |
| 01:40.29 | mentor | abrotman: Yes, but A64s don't have the proper number of hypertransport links |
| 01:40.34 | CompWizrd | the k8we i'll be playing with is nforce professional and amd's 8131.. the nforce connects via a hypertransport link |
| 01:40.34 | PerfDave | ma3x: A quick "apt-cache search transcode" shows a package called "transcode", which is an X program which appears to be used for transcoding ;) |
| 01:40.44 | nimak | phogg, does yours have tabs? |
| 01:40.59 | phogg | nimak: does not seem to |
| 01:41.10 | gnufan | ma3x: Start here -- then come back to Debian when you know what software you want -- http://dynebolic.org/ |
| 01:41.13 | abrotman | mentor: but some people use amd64/opteron/athlon64 interchangably |
| 01:41.23 | phogg | nimak: version 0.8.5, fyi |
| 01:41.25 | mentor | yes. They're wrong though |
| 01:41.33 | ufo | i just installed debian testing and could someone pastebin an good sources.list from europe with non-free and everything |
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| 01:41.52 | sonyman | how can I pass a different system type to dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 01:41.53 | nimak | phogg, if i had the DSL one, i think i might start using it instead of firefox, at least on the laptop |
| 01:42.04 | ma3x | PerfDave, where did you get that result from? you have marillat in the sources? |
| 01:42.09 | abrotman | mentor: obviously |
| 01:42.19 | PerfDave | ma3x: Yep, I live in a civilised country where software patents aren't enforcable ;) |
| 01:42.20 | abrotman | !tell ufo about mirrors |
| 01:42.24 | PerfDave | (yet) |
| 01:42.41 | phogg | nimak: for me firefox is incredibly cpu intensive. I use dillo for everything simple and firefox only when I must. |
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| 01:43.11 | phogg | PerfDave: transcode afaik does not have a standard GUI |
| 01:43.16 | alex116 | can I mount an ntfs file system writeable? |
| 01:43.36 | PerfDave | alex116: With significant difficulty, and forcing Windows drivers into your Linux kernel. |
| 01:43.48 | gnufan | alex116: yes - but there is probably a reason it doesn't happen in Stable ;) |
| 01:43.48 | alex116 | great i'll just give up now... |
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| 01:44.23 | phogg | alex116: yes, but you can only safely overwrite files if you don't change their size. |
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| 01:44.29 | PerfDave | alex116: If you can avoid it, it's probably for the best. Microsoft keep NTFS specifications close to their chest. |
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| 01:44.44 | gnufan | alex116: why do you want to write to NTFS ? |
| 01:45.19 | phogg | PerfDave: I saw a site with what looked like pretty complete reverse engineering of the specs. It seems like it's just a really hard FS to implement. |
| 01:45.24 | mentor | hmmm...is a hardware cursor just another frambuffer? |
| 01:45.34 | alex116 | i have 2 hard drives with different systems. I can manage without writing to ntfs, it would just ease things up |
| 01:45.41 | mentor | Yeah, it's more like a database. |
| 01:45.46 | deadcat | if you us microsoft, dont bitch. accept it. |
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| 01:46.00 | PerfDave | alex116: Convert your Windows install to FAT32 ;) |
| 01:46.09 | nn- | fat32 is ok |
| 01:46.17 | alex116 | you can't undo ntfs can you? |
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| 01:46.26 | deadcat | no |
| 01:46.30 | PerfDave | phogg: Which version of the specs? NTFS as used in NT4 is pretty much cracked IIRC, but it changes with each version of Windows. Note also that there would probably be legal action from Microsoft. |
| 01:46.34 | mentor | You can have multiple streams and attributes to the same file...there are indexes in the filesystem...etc etc |
| 01:46.41 | PerfDave | Can't Partition Magic convert NTFS to FAT32? |
| 01:46.45 | phogg | alex116: back up your data and reformat the ntfs partition as fat32. Yeah, it sucks, but you probably weren't using windows for anything serious to begin with. |
| 01:46.46 | alex116 | either way im getting a new 300gb hd tomorrow and I will use fat32 so i'll be fine :) |
| 01:46.47 | mentor | probably |
| 01:46.54 | mentor | problem is that vfat sucks |
| 01:47.05 | mentor | what size does vfat go up to? |
| 01:47.12 | deadcat | alex116: just use ext3 and install some software in windows to read it (= |
| 01:47.27 | phogg | PerfDave: no idea the version but I saw some references to windows 2000, so it's not far behind |
| 01:47.30 | raymond__ | windows sucks |
| 01:47.37 | PerfDave | I've had 120Gb FAT32 partitions before, I believe the partition limit is very high. It's just that an individual file can't be bigger than 4GB. |
| 01:47.40 | deadcat | raymond__: he has to use it for some reason |
| 01:47.43 | tux | deadcat: wouldn't it be very slow? |
| 01:47.56 | deadcat | tux: better than having vfat or other windows fs |
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| 01:48.09 | kuhwallskee | Is there packages to apt-get for nvidia drivers, or should I use nvidia's official installer |
| 01:48.13 | kuhwallskee | apt tell kuhwallskee nvidia |
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| 01:48.21 | deadcat | kuhwallskee: no. |
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| 01:48.27 | PerfDave | kuhwallskee: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 01:48.27 | Vooloo | if there is a dnsserver, and I want to use my own domain to mask it with ns.mydomain.com .. what do I need to do? make an A record pointing to the real DNS ip? |
| 01:48.33 | raymond__ | i dont know that much about linux but i like it better than windoes |
| 01:48.36 | PerfDave | kuhwallskee: Don't use nVidia's installer. |
| 01:48.36 | deadcat | kuhwallskee: apt-cache search nvidia, make sure you have non-free and contrib |
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| 01:48.40 | gnufan | !captiventfs |
| 01:48.40 | dpkg | rumour has it, captive is The first kind of free if you squint NTFS read/write filesystem for GNU/Linux. http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/, or <abrotman> livingtm: well .. captive-ntfs is another ball of wax .. it's like wine for your filesystem .. and given how well wine works .. i avoid it like naked pictures of my mom |
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| 01:48.58 | gnufan | Sorry -- I couldn't resist the abrotman (who he) quotation. |
| 01:49.12 | deadcat | raymond__: why do you like it better? |
| 01:49.19 | curt | I am forced to use M$ at work until I get my numb brain to figure out a linux enterprise solution |
| 01:49.19 | raymond__ | its free |
| 01:49.29 | deadcat | raymond__: free as in? |
| 01:49.38 | raymond__ | and dose most of the same stuff as windows |
| 01:49.44 | PerfDave | curt: Linux in the workplace rocks, cuts down your support calls by about 90% :) |
| 01:49.49 | raymond__ | dont pay for it |
| 01:49.51 | deadcat | curt: or quit (= |
| 01:50.09 | tux | I have give up to install nvidia driver for my fx5200. either apt or nvidia official install |
| 01:50.10 | alex116 | PerfDave yea and if you get support calls you can just tell them to rtfm! |
| 01:50.19 | curt | PerfDave, I know and I saw a nice enterprise soution available, I will work on it in the fall |
| 01:50.27 | tux | after i install them, I got black screen always. but no error in xorg.log |
| 01:50.28 | deadcat | tux: i have the same card. it works fine. |
| 01:50.32 | PerfDave | tux: My FX5200 works fine with Sarge. |
| 01:50.35 | curt | deadcat, It's my own business (me and pops) |
| 01:50.51 | tux | :( |
| 01:50.54 | deadcat | curt: HAHAHA. fire your pop (= just to show him you mean business |
| 01:50.55 | wireddd | curt, yeah you should go linux |
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| 01:51.11 | curt | deadcat, I couldn't handle it alone |
| 01:51.12 | deadcat | curt: outsource his ass (= |
| 01:51.15 | EmeraldCat | PerfDave: I read "The Cathedral and the Bazaar", and I think you misunderstood what I meant by organize. I didn't mean let's create Linux Hardware Co., I meant let's centralize the 500+ Linux hardware bazaars into one main Linux hardware bazaar. |
| 01:51.16 | tux | deadcat: do you use apt or official installer? |
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| 01:51.23 | tux | PerfDave: do you use apt or official installer? |
| 01:51.26 | deadcat | tux: NEVER use the official. |
| 01:51.32 | deadcat | !tell tux about nvidia one-liner |
| 01:51.33 | PerfDave | tux: I used module-assistant |
| 01:51.52 | tux | Thank you, PerfDave |
| 01:51.53 | sixtymhz | Does anyone know the program to install to have a better feed with "df" ? |
| 01:51.56 | abrotman | EmeraldCat: they've tried before |
| 01:51.58 | gnufan | EmeraldCat: it'll just piss of the 10 other architectures that can't use your drivers ;) |
| 01:52.06 | raymond__ | wow, yall seem to know allot about linux |
| 01:52.14 | curt | sixtymhz, ask that again...? |
| 01:52.24 | abrotman | EmeraldCat: http://lwn.net/2000/0803/a/lhd-driver.php3 |
| 01:52.24 | PerfDave | EmeraldCat: I appreciate that that's what you meant. I hoped that reading tC&tB would explain to you why it's unlikely to happen. But if you want to make it happen, have a go and try to convince people to join in. |
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| 01:52.31 | sixtymhz | Does anyone know the program that will display "df" better in terminal? |
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| 01:52.39 | deadcat | raymond__: because we use it.. telling people you dont use windows doesnt mean shit. |
| 01:52.41 | HellDragon | hi, burps |
| 01:52.45 | abrotman | sixtymhz: better? |
| 01:53.01 | PerfDave | sixtymhz: What's wrong with the way that df displays now? |
| 01:53.03 | HellDragon | :) |
| 01:53.07 | raymond__ | i just started using linux a moth ago |
| 01:53.20 | abrotman | wait til you get to butterflies |
| 01:53.20 | curt | !beer raymond__ |
| 01:53.25 | HellDragon | lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll |
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| 01:53.56 | abrotman | !tell HellDragon about lol |
| 01:54.00 | tux | what's that? |
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| 01:54.10 | EmeraldCat | PerfDave: Note however, it's the Cathedral and the _Bazaar_, not the Cathedral and the _Bazaars_. |
| 01:54.19 | HellDragon | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:54.21 | HellDragon | better? |
| 01:54.25 | PerfDave | EmeraldCat: A bazaar is a collection fo bazaars ;) |
| 01:54.26 | abrotman | tard |
| 01:54.27 | alex116 | perfect! |
| 01:54.28 | deadcat | !ops HellDragon spamming |
| 01:54.29 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: HellDragon spamming |
| 01:54.30 | azeem | HellDragon: stop that |
| 01:54.33 | PerfDave | HellDragon: Do you have a Debian-related question to ask? |
| 01:54.39 | HellDragon | yes |
| 01:54.50 | ufo | can i install fglrx drivers for ati with apt-get? |
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| 01:54.56 | PerfDave | HellDragon: Do you want to cut the lol crap and get on with it then? ;) |
| 01:55.00 | beardy | HellDragon: If you have common sense, act according to it. |
| 01:55.00 | tux | I wish myself goodluck in the nidia one-liner |
| 01:55.03 | nn- | ufo: what is flrgx? |
| 01:55.06 | deadcat | ufo: you will haev to fine a repo |
| 01:55.09 | ufo | fglrx |
| 01:55.11 | yggwork | can somone tell me how to get stuff to strt up when i log in |
| 01:55.24 | abrotman | login how? |
| 01:55.25 | beardy | yggwork: To bash? |
| 01:55.26 | nn- | ufo: yes, what's that anyway? |
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| 01:55.33 | stew | !wikifaq yggwork DotFiles |
| 01:55.33 | dpkg | yggwork: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 01:55.34 | yggwork | sorry log in to fluxbox |
| 01:55.55 | ufo | nn-, ati drivers |
| 01:56.03 | deadcat | yggwork: ask in #fluxbox or click around the menu.. and you're in fluxbox. its just nothing fancy like gnome/kde so you might not notice it |
| 01:56.11 | gnufan | yggwork: the dumb way is to leave it running when you log out and click on the "save session" button -- the dumb way has a lot to recommend it. |
| 01:56.18 | alex116 | yggwork edit your apps file in ~/.fluxbox |
| 01:56.26 | nn- | ufo: for what cards? |
| 01:56.27 | yggwork | apps file huh |
| 01:56.29 | HellDragon | ok my question: what is fluxbox |
| 01:56.44 | gnufan | yggwork: Oh ignore me if fluxbox -- no idea on that one. |
| 01:56.44 | ufo | nn-, x700 mobile radeon |
| 01:56.46 | alex116 | to start torsmo put [startup] {torsmo} |
| 01:56.47 | stew | HellDragon: apt-cache show fluxbox |
| 01:56.49 | PerfDave | HellDragon: An X window manager. |
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| 01:56.53 | beardy | !tell HellDragon -about fluxbox |
| 01:56.53 | HellDragon | kthxbye |
| 01:57.05 | deadcat | ufo: have you search online for "blah debian repo" ? |
| 01:57.08 | nn- | ufo: i have a mach64 |
| 01:57.10 | beardy | We all now what you are. |
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| 01:57.24 | deadcat | beardy: just ignore him. hes obviously trolling |
| 01:57.27 | nn- | ufo: rage/pro |
| 01:57.32 | beardy | deadcat: Of course. |
| 01:57.42 | EmeraldCat | abrotman: um, www.linhardware.com doesn't exist. |
| 01:58.00 | PerfDave | EmeraldCat: There is a lesson to b e learned from that 404 ;) |
| 01:58.04 | ufo | so the ati drivers are not in official debian repos? |
| 01:58.05 | abrotman | EmeraldCat: no crap .. i'm telling you that it's been done before .. and fails every time |
| 01:58.10 | deadcat | ufo: no. |
| 01:58.22 | PerfDave | ufo: Is http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseAti of any use? |
| 01:58.30 | deadcat | ufo: why not just use radeon driver? |
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| 01:58.52 | ufo | deadcat, it does not work on my card |
| 01:59.05 | PerfDave | The Debian wiki is fucking retarded. |
| 01:59.09 | deadcat | ufo: what about straight ati? |
| 01:59.13 | abrotman | PerfDave: so fix it |
| 01:59.27 | PerfDave | abrotman: I can't, that's why it's retarded. |
| 01:59.27 | ufo | deadcat, noup |
| 01:59.38 | alex116 | he'd probably have to start from scratch |
| 01:59.41 | deadcat | damn. that suck |
| 01:59.48 | abrotman | PerfDave: you have to login .. |
| 02:00.02 | deadcat | ufo: you have x-window-system package installed right? |
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| 02:00.21 | ufo | deadcat, yes |
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| 02:00.35 | deadcat | ufo: i have no clue then. (= |
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| 02:00.40 | PerfDave | abrotman: Everything is an "immutable page" |
| 02:00.41 | thnee | *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid next size (normal): 0x0804c978 *** how come i get this all of a sudden when i try to do use ofstream in c++? |
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| 02:01.02 | PerfDave | abrotman: And it doesn't mention why nVidia's installer script is bad. |
| 02:01.03 | EmeraldCat | abrotman: Note that www.linhardware.com wasn't truly a "great babbling bazaar". -- They didn't accept submissions from everyone, only "Driver maintainers." Maybe that's why they failed? |
| 02:01.09 | thnee | all i find on google is people getting that error with mythtv |
| 02:01.21 | azeem | thnee: it's a general error |
| 02:01.25 | PerfDave | thnee: Google with "-mythtv" in the parameters? ;) |
| 02:01.27 | _chou-cho | what command would i need to run so that e2fsck doesnt run on partitions after every 30 mounts. |
| 02:01.35 | azeem | thnee: if you're the one who wrote the code, you made a mistake |
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| 02:01.55 | PerfDave | _chou-cho: man tune2fs |
| 02:01.57 | abrotman | EmeraldCat: i have a great plan .. YOU START THE SITE .. then noone can complain .. certainly not you |
| 02:01.58 | yggwork | i i edited the .fluxbox/startup but it doesnt seem to be working |
| 02:02.08 | abrotman | PerfDave: ask tarzeau why you can't fix it |
| 02:02.11 | _chou-cho | perfdave: thanks |
| 02:02.11 | phogg | EmeraldCat: You're welcome to try to build a central clearinghouse for Linux drivers, but it's a project doomed to uselessness. But have fun! |
| 02:02.28 | deadcat | yggwork: what you wnat flux to do anyway? |
| 02:02.30 | alex116 | eep you dont have an "apps" file? |
| 02:02.32 | PerfDave | abrotman: I know why I can't fix it, it's retarded :) |
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| 02:02.38 | EmeraldCat | phogg: Yeay! I will have lotsa fun... |
| 02:02.47 | yggwork | deadcat i want it to start x11vnc and an xine line.. |
| 02:03.11 | deadcat | yggwork: put that in ~/.xsession |
| 02:03.14 | tux | restart X |
| 02:03.31 | abrotman | PerfDave: bug PerfDave |
| 02:03.35 | abrotman | PerfDave: but tarzeau |
| 02:03.37 | abrotman | bug! |
| 02:03.55 | alex116 | yggwork http://fluxbox.org/docs/en/faq.php#startup |
| 02:04.07 | yggwork | ok thanks |
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| 02:04.38 | thnee | azeem: i understand that i did something wrong, but what does the error mean? |
| 02:05.00 | azeem | thnee: some sort of memory corruption |
| 02:05.07 | azeem | not sure exactly |
| 02:05.15 | thnee | azeem: i find it odd, cause it all goes away if i comment out this code: ofstream myFile("filename"); |
| 02:06.11 | yggwork | ahh that worked splendidly |
| 02:06.11 | yggwork | thanks |
| 02:06.44 | yggwork | oh wait maybe not |
| 02:07.19 | chealer9 | does the BTS distinguish between source packages and binary packages of the same name? |
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| 02:07.40 | astronut | chealer9: you can use the src: keyword |
| 02:07.52 | astronut | which will just give you all the binary packages built from that source |
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| 02:09.21 | alex116 | yggwork, did editing your apps file not work? |
| 02:10.13 | thnee | whats making me even more confused is that the error goes away if i comment out another certain line in a completely diferent part of the program |
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| 02:10.16 | farty1 | DCC SEND "string" 0 0 0 |
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| 02:10.39 | ufo | is there an metapackage for tools to compile apps |
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| 02:10.57 | bbrazil | ufo: build-essentiall |
| 02:11.04 | chealer9 | astronut: OK, I was too vague. |
| 02:11.16 | astronut | ufo: uhmm, there's the very basic build-essential, but other stuff can be pulled in |
| 02:11.18 | chealer9 | can you assign a bug to a source package instead of a binary package of the same name? |
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| 02:11.30 | lightcap | what's the equivalent of debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/base-images-current from woody in sarge? I've got a script that installs a base system in a UML node and its referencing that directory... |
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| 02:11.34 | astronut | chealer9: i am not sure, i don't think so, but i could be wrong |
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| 02:12.15 | kuhwallskee | How do I force install of packages with apt-get install? |
| 02:12.24 | deadcat | kuhwallskee: apt-get install crap |
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| 02:12.36 | deadcat | oh force |
| 02:12.40 | kuhwallskee | deadcat: heh. |
| 02:12.49 | deadcat | have you man apt-get yet? |
| 02:12.51 | kuhwallskee | --force-yes, right. |
| 02:12.55 | lightcap | I guess its actually trying to download basedebs.tar |
| 02:13.18 | deadcat | kuhwallskee: if it wont install. then dont make it. it will blow your system up |
| 02:13.18 | SLippin1 | hello, helping (trying to) a friend get from suse to debian - is there a yast equiv app in sarge? |
| 02:13.27 | Acid`X | is there any tool to autocompile modules for the kernel? |
| 02:13.27 | deadcat | no |
| 02:13.29 | deadcat | SLippin1: no |
| 02:13.33 | nn- | SLippin1: negative |
| 02:13.36 | SLippin1 | thanks |
| 02:13.39 | kuhwallskee | deadcat: I know it's not a good idea.. but there is a reason for it. |
| 02:13.43 | chealer9 | astronut: ok |
| 02:13.51 | deadcat | kuhwallskee: you better give then reason |
| 02:13.57 | alex116 | sLippin1 you can use elive and use their unofficial thingie |
| 02:14.01 | kuhwallskee | deadcat: so is it just apt-get install --force-yes some-package |
| 02:14.09 | astronut | chealer9: sorry, someone else might know better |
| 02:14.11 | kuhwallskee | deadcat: cause this howto tells me too.. :) |
| 02:14.19 | deadcat | HAHHAA |
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| 02:14.26 | SLippin1 | <alex116> thanks |
| 02:14.31 | deadcat | kuhwallskee: does step 7 say "jump off the bridge"? (= |
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| 02:14.58 | kuhwallskee | deadcat: hey.. if it works.. it works.. if it don't... oh well.. :) |
| 02:15.17 | deadcat | kuhwallskee: so step 7 didnt say jump off the bridge? maybe we had a diff howto then |
| 02:15.46 | kuhwallskee | deadcat: heh.. see it says it depends on something.. but then when I try to install what it depends on it says it's been replaced. |
| 02:16.05 | kuhwallskee | deadcat: this is under sid too.. so who knows what's gonna happen. |
| 02:16.11 | deadcat | oh damn |
| 02:16.57 | Morydd | if I have / on one drive and /home on another, anything that's not under /home is on the first drive, correct? |
| 02:16.59 | kuhwallskee | deadcat: so I figure seeing as how it's been replaced it should work... just as long as what it's been replaced with is installed (right?) |
| 02:17.00 | chealer9 | astronut: well I guess you're right anyway |
| 02:17.19 | abrotman | Morydd: presumably so |
| 02:17.23 | astronut | chealer9: i know that for bugs for cyrus-imapd-2.2 (source), they're filed on the binary |
| 02:17.32 | deadcat | kuhwallskee: just dpkg -i --force-overwrite blah.deb see if it will work or if it will blow up |
| 02:17.35 | alex116 | abrotman, no, dont answer, it must be a trick question! |
| 02:17.50 | kuhwallskee | deadcat: I don't have the packages. |
| 02:17.53 | chealer9 | astronut: yeah, I've seen a lot of that, so I guess it's no use to do more research |
| 02:18.04 | kuhwallskee | deadcat: there is like 15 packages. |
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| 02:18.14 | astronut | chealer9: just email one of the debugs maintainers to get an authorative answer |
| 02:18.16 | astronut | or ping them on irc |
| 02:18.37 | chealer9 | astronut: bah, I realize it's not that important. it's just for reporting a bug |
| 02:18.43 | astronut | lol, ok |
| 02:18.48 | astronut | now i want to know though |
| 02:18.53 | Acid`X | do i need to run kernel_image to compile a external module? |
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| 02:19.09 | kuhwallskee | deadcat: to be honest with you I'm trying to install an entire repository by cat'n the apt list. |
| 02:19.11 | astronut | Acid`X: for make-kpkg? |
| 02:19.34 | astronut | if you haven't touched the tree since your last build, modules_image will be sufficent |
| 02:19.45 | deadcat | kuhwallskee: dpkg --get-selections > file |
| 02:19.48 | tux_ | nvida driver does not work, still. leaving me black blank screen. |
| 02:19.48 | Acid`X | asg: yes, i want to compile spca5xx but im not sure how to do it |
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| 02:20.06 | astronut | Acid`X: i assume oyu mean me (asg must get annoyed, many people do that) |
| 02:20.07 | kuhwallskee | deadcat: hmm I got an idea... if it don't work.. i'll bb.. :) |
| 02:20.11 | astronut | you may want to try modules-assistant |
| 02:20.15 | astronut | it's easier |
| 02:20.25 | tux_ | me? |
| 02:20.30 | Acid`X | astronut: lol, yes |
| 02:20.33 | astronut | m-a prepare && ma auto-install <module package_name> |
| 02:20.49 | deadcat | astronut: maybe module package name doesnt exist |
| 02:21.18 | astronut | deadcat: aastronut@debian:~$ apt-cache search spca5xx |
| 02:21.22 | astronut | shows the stuff |
| 02:21.23 | astronut | so it does |
| 02:21.24 | jetscreamer | nvidia driver works every time.. the thing is, you have to do it correctly. |
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| 02:21.59 | tux_ | I follow the one-liner. it's installed. but just leaving me blank sceen and wainting... |
| 02:22.05 | deadcat | tux_: show us your boobs.. |
| 02:22.09 | deadcat | tux_: show us your x config files |
| 02:22.50 | Acid`X | astronut: package_name will be the bzip2 file? |
| 02:22.51 | tux_ | deadcat: maybe my card is a broken one |
| 02:23.02 | deadcat | tux_: x config file please. xorg or xfree? |
| 02:23.11 | dumezil | can anyone help me with chinese input in kde? |
| 02:23.20 | deadcat | Acid`X: just run it. the m-a command will handle it. |
| 02:23.22 | chealer9 | tux_: and it would work with a free driver anyway? |
| 02:23.25 | tux_ | xorg. it's generated by dpkg-reconfigure xserve-xorg |
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| 02:23.34 | chealer9 | dumezil: perhaps #debian-kde |
| 02:23.35 | Acid`X | deadcat: roger |
| 02:23.43 | tux_ | chealer9 yes, nv works ok, but no 3d |
| 02:23.46 | deadcat | tux_: show us your xorg.conf |
| 02:24.09 | tux_ | howto show? I shouldnot paste here? |
| 02:24.15 | chealer9 | tux_: Debian only packages upstream's drivers. we can't help about upstream bugs. ask #nvidia |
| 02:24.29 | deadcat | tux_: dont you have a webserver running? |
| 02:25.06 | tux_ | but my computer's maynot be accessible for you. |
| 02:25.21 | tux_ | deadcat: http://59.66.127.127/ |
| 02:25.30 | deadcat | tux_: so just put the config file in ^^ |
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| 02:25.55 | tux_ | http://59.66.127.127/xorg.conf |
| 02:26.24 | tux_ | maybe you cannot see it. our LAN is behind a firewall |
| 02:26.31 | deadcat | must be |
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| 02:27.03 | beardy | !pastebin |
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| 02:27.03 | dpkg | methinks pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or check out http://securelabs.zapto.org/~pureone/src/pastebin.c if your stuck in console only |
| 02:27.13 | unstable | !flood |
| 02:27.13 | dpkg | It's considered impolite to paste many lines of text on IRC. Please don't do it. Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. If you want to paste, use #flood or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 02:28.08 | tux_ | deadcat: http://learn.tsinghua.edu.cn:8080/2005210343/xorg.conf |
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| 02:28.24 | alex116 | sorry for this dumb question... whats that app that takes screenshots? |
| 02:28.34 | deadcat | tux_: you usinv nv. whats that got to do with nvidia? |
| 02:28.38 | tux_ | now it's nv not nvidia right now. |
| 02:28.39 | deadcat | alex116: scrot |
| 02:28.39 | chealer9 | !tell alex116 about screenshot |
| 02:28.59 | tux_ | beacuse nvidia cannot get me in x. i am using xchat |
| 02:29.05 | alex116 | thx |
| 02:29.24 | tux_ | under gnome, you can press alt-prtscr or prtscr. |
| 02:30.19 | Gnea | tux_: what does your /var/log/Xorg.0.log have to say about it? |
| 02:30.26 | Acid`X | astronut: ty :] it worked |
| 02:30.37 | deadcat | tux_: run dpkg-reconfigure again and select medium for your monitor sync rate maybe. other than that i dont know. |
| 02:30.56 | tux_ | Gnea: I am sorry, but the log file is: |
| 02:31.21 | tux_ | Build Date: 29 November 2005 |
| 02:31.41 | Gnea | tux_: okay, so paste it on a website |
| 02:32.31 | astronut | Acid`X: welcome |
| 02:32.34 | tux_ | it's not my last one, gnea |
| 02:32.52 | tux_ | deadcat: should I enable dri module? |
| 02:32.54 | Gnea | tux_: you'll need to redo it and copy it somewhere then |
| 02:33.00 | deadcat | tux_: no. |
| 02:33.07 | tux_ | OK |
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| 02:34.07 | ufo | hmmm... the sid is too outdated? |
| 02:34.11 | tux_ | deadcat: how much should my Horizsync and vertrefresh? |
| 02:34.16 | deadcat | ufo: apt-get update |
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| 02:34.26 | deadcat | tux_: i use medium i just select default. |
| 02:36.51 | tux_ | wish me good luck ...... |
| 02:36.57 | pavlovsdog | !hwinfo |
| 02:36.57 | dpkg | hmm... hwinfo is your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
| 02:37.01 | ufo | arent there 2.13 of gnome? |
| 02:37.06 | deadcat | ufo: no |
| 02:37.08 | pavlovsdog | too late |
| 02:37.34 | ufo | deadcat, in debian or does not exist? |
| 02:37.38 | deadcat | ufo: if you want to use latest kde or gnome you either wait or switch distro |
| 02:38.35 | ufo | deadcat, ok... so the debian sid is outdated :( |
| 02:38.44 | deadcat | yes |
| 02:38.54 | abrotman | ufo: gnome 2.13 isn't a release |
| 02:39.08 | abrotman | it's for developers .. which if you need to ask if ti's there . .you're not |
| 02:39.25 | ufo | abrotman, yes i know |
| 02:39.27 | deadcat | abrotman: shhh. he wants to hear "debian sid is outdated" |
| 02:39.41 | abrotman | he's just being stupid |
| 02:39.51 | abrotman | i don't know any distro that would give that to users |
| 02:39.57 | abrotman | not responsibly |
| 02:40.19 | ufo | not even in unstable or something like that? |
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| 02:40.34 | ufo | dont get me wrong guys... |
| 02:40.35 | abrotman | ufo: hell no .. it's for developers . .not for you .. what do you want it for? |
| 02:40.49 | deadcat | abrotman: bragging right |
| 02:40.55 | abrotman | and left |
| 02:41.46 | deadcat | abrotman: watching 24 on the eastcoast? |
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| 02:42.04 | gassie | hey, i have a dumb question... I've got a laptop with a synaptics touchpad. (it should work) but i'm not sure which /dev/ to use... any tips? |
| 02:42.06 | abrotman | deadcat: no .. i'm not a crackhead :) |
| 02:42.10 | deadcat | (= |
| 02:42.12 | deadcat | hahah |
| 02:42.18 | abrotman | /dev/input/mice |
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| 02:42.26 | gassie | i've tried /input/mice, and auto-dev... but neither work. |
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| 02:43.07 | Daveman | hey abrotman |
| 02:43.10 | abrotman | hi |
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| 02:43.15 | Daveman | having a good evening? |
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| 02:43.31 | gassie | it keeps saying no such device. is there a command that will list connected ps2 devices? |
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| 02:43.43 | abrotman | did you load mousedev? |
| 02:43.45 | abrotman | Daveman: lovely |
| 02:43.46 | tux | hi all |
| 02:43.57 | tux | http://learn.tsinghua.edu.cn:8080/2005210343/Xorg.0.log.old |
| 02:43.59 | Daveman | nice |
| 02:44.09 | nn- | gassie: try /dev/psaux |
| 02:44.23 | gassie | nn... jsut did now, no go |
| 02:44.29 | nn- | gassie: i know |
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| 02:44.34 | damog | Any idea on recording some movements of my screen to a video file? I'd like to teach how to "do" something. I know of vnc2swf but I've seen videos doing similar things recorded on avi or mpeg, with better quality than swf. |
| 02:44.36 | tux | deadcat: nvidia keeps me wating for a blank screen |
| 02:44.37 | nn- | nn-: got the same touchpad |
| 02:44.41 | abrotman | gassie: dmesg say anythouhg about mice? |
| 02:44.51 | gassie | !dmesg synaptics |
| 02:44.55 | gassie | dmesg synaptics |
| 02:44.56 | tux | deadcat is gone.. |
| 02:44.57 | abrotman | !synaptics |
| 02:44.57 | dpkg | it has been said that synaptics is http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/index.html#Download, or for synaptics support in x install xfree86-driver-synaptics, or try modprobe -r psmouse ; modprobe psmouse if its not working |
| 02:45.47 | bvs | damog, xvidcap |
| 02:46.04 | tux | deadcat : |
| 02:46.07 | secher | Have a bit of a sticky wicket. using jfs, I'm gettign a kernel pacnic on boot, saying the bootblock is corrupt, and it can't find an alternative. I ran jfs_fsck -f via knopopix, and all filessystems check out clean. So I'm left with rebuilding the bootblock. Can I get some poinnters? |
| 02:46.17 | deadcat | tux: dont see any error. have you rebooted the box after installing nvidia? |
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| 02:47.01 | tux | deadcat: that's the log of the blank screen time. I must reboot my computer every time it fails. |
| 02:47.28 | deadcat | tux: what mon you have? because i dont really know the problem now |
| 02:47.29 | damog | bvs: Neat, thanks. |
| 02:47.31 | tux | But i think it's the logfile of the blank screen. It keeps me waiting, you can see in the end |
| 02:47.54 | deadcat | tux: control alt backspace do anthing? |
| 02:47.57 | tux | sigh, I have to give it up. |
| 02:48.28 | ufo | make: dh_testdir: Command not found |
| 02:48.28 | ufo | ... what should i install for compile the ati fglrx drivers? |
| 02:48.37 | tux | deadcat: yes. I press capslok, and after seconds, I see the led toggle. |
| 02:48.41 | deadcat | ufo: dh_helper |
| 02:48.49 | deadcat | debhelper |
| 02:49.13 | tux | NVIDIA(0): WAIT (2, 6, 0x8000, 0x00000000, 0x00000da8, 1) |
| 02:49.16 | gassie | okay, i got it running with using psaux, but now i'm back to the same problem i had before installing the synaptics driver, it jumps all over the screen when i try to use it... suggestions? |
| 02:49.20 | tux | what does this line mean? |
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| 02:49.25 | deadcat | tux: no clue. what kernel? |
| 02:49.30 | gassie | !jumpy mouse |
| 02:49.37 | abrotman | gassie: pick another protocol |
| 02:49.44 | tux | deadcat: 2.6.14 #3 PREEMPT |
| 02:49.55 | Gnea | tux: testing or unstable? |
| 02:49.55 | tux | Thank you, deadcat. |
| 02:49.56 | deadcat | tux: no clue. i guess time to giveup (= |
| 02:49.57 | gassie | oops, i'm also using the mouse driver because synaptics didnt work. |
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| 02:50.33 | SeBs | Hey hi |
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| 02:50.42 | SeBs | Someone could help me? |
| 02:50.47 | tux | Gnea: I use tesing. |
| 02:50.54 | deadcat | SeBs: use the usb driver |
| 02:51.07 | gassie | well i'm going for a walk.. bbl... maybe |
| 02:51.11 | SeBs | what bout use driver? |
| 02:51.13 | Gnea | tux: isn't there a newer version than 7174? |
| 02:51.14 | tux | maybe my card is broken. I should check if the 3D works under a windows machine. Thank you, all . guys. |
| 02:51.16 | deadcat | SeBs: use it |
| 02:51.18 | Gnea | !tell SeBs about ask |
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| 02:51.45 | tux | Gnea: What's 7174? I am using the apt method, and does not know the version number. |
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| 02:52.19 | Gnea | tux: 7174 is the version of the nvidia driver you have installed - is it matching up with the nvidia libraries? |
| 02:52.22 | tux | Frustrated again buy the card )-: |
| 02:52.28 | deadcat | tux: dpkg -l |grep nvidia |
| 02:52.40 | abrotman | Gnea: probably not in sarge |
| 02:52.43 | jade | how can i disable the write-back cache ? im using innodb which expressly prohibits write back cache due to transactions mgnt |
| 02:52.46 | tux | 1.0.7174-4 |
| 02:52.59 | Gnea | abrotman: but he's using etch |
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| 02:53.12 | raymond8066 | i dont know how to install the xfire plugin for gaim, can someone help me |
| 02:53.13 | jade | actually how can i tell if my harddrive is using write-back cache in the first place? |
| 02:53.17 | SeBs | Please, if I running knnopix live cd, and I wanna change, or open a seccion with a specific name, isnt possible? |
| 02:53.21 | abrotman | Gnea: he thinks he's using etch :) |
| 02:53.22 | deadcat | i think its recommended for etch user to use nvidia from sid. |
| 02:53.27 | abrotman | SeBs: ask #knoppix |
| 02:53.29 | jade | saw some notes about hdparam |
| 02:53.35 | deadcat | SeBs: @knoppix |
| 02:53.36 | SeBs | thnkx |
| 02:53.36 | jade | hdparm |
| 02:53.36 | tux | OK, I'll try sid |
| 02:53.46 | abrotman | this will only get worse |
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| 02:53.56 | tux | sigh~~~~~~~ |
| 02:53.57 | raymond8066 | 05 i dont know how to install the xfire plugin for gaim, can someone help me |
| 02:54.26 | Gnea | !info nvidia-kernel-source etch |
| 02:54.28 | dpkg | nvidia-kernel-source: (NVIDIA binary kernel module source), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.8178-2 (etch), Packaged size: 1560 kB, Installed size: 1608 kB |
| 02:54.42 | deadcat | raymond8066: have you checked #gaim ? |
| 02:54.48 | raymond8066 | YEA |
| 02:54.50 | raymond8066 | yea |
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| 02:55.03 | Gnea | tux: no need, etch has the latest |
| 02:55.11 | Gnea | tux: apt-get update |
| 02:55.23 | raymond8066 | i just need to know were ti install it to |
| 02:55.24 | abrotman | Gnea: see! |
| 02:55.30 | nimak | does xorg suck as much as xfree with memory? |
| 02:55.34 | deadcat | raymond8066: read the doc. we dont use xfire |
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| 02:55.49 | raymond8066 | there is a plugin |
| 02:55.58 | raymond8066 | and i wont to use it |
| 02:56.03 | deadcat | so read the doc |
| 02:56.11 | tux | I'd give up. |
| 02:56.15 | mike-m | I can't run xchat again, it crashed while I was changing a theme and now it says I can run it with the option --sync which does ..nothing, does anyone have an idea ? |
| 02:56.21 | Gnea | raymond8066: we are not a gaim support channel |
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| 02:56.25 | raymond8066 | i dont know were to install it to |
| 02:56.30 | deadcat | mike-m: rm -rf ~/.xchat |
| 02:56.42 | mike-m | haha, I don't wanna do that ! |
| 02:56.49 | deadcat | mike-m: mv it |
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| 02:57.28 | mike-m | ok |
| 02:57.40 | raymond8066 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:57.52 | deadcat | what an asshole |
| 02:58.04 | Gnea | heh |
| 02:58.04 | mike-m | lmao |
| 02:58.40 | Gnea | tux: what nvidia packages did you install? |
| 02:59.06 | mike-m | damnit, i mv, runned, mv, and lost everything |
| 02:59.07 | abrotman | ack.. puckett died |
| 02:59.21 | tux | nvidia-glx, nvidia-kernel-2.6.14, nvidia-kernel-source, nvidia-settings |
| 02:59.41 | Gnea | tux: are they all the same version? dpkg -l | grep ii | grep nvidia |
| 02:59.46 | mike-m | xchat is evil written by evil |
| 02:59.53 | deadcat | mike-m: use irssi |
| 02:59.57 | nimak | mike-m, lost everything? |
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| 03:00.16 | tux | Gnea: http://learn.tsinghua.edu.cn:8080/2005210343/Xorg.0.log.old |
| 03:00.21 | mike-m | even my downloads |
| 03:00.28 | Gnea | tux: what? |
| 03:00.34 | tux | my logfile |
| 03:00.35 | mike-m | .xchat2 has been cleaned up |
| 03:00.35 | Gnea | i've already read that |
| 03:00.42 | mike-m | ho, and my logs |
| 03:00.45 | nimak | does it at least work now, mike-m? |
| 03:00.52 | mike-m | yeah yeah |
| 03:00.56 | deadcat | tux: whats thsi i see? http://learn.tsinghua.edu.cn:8080/2005210343/ubuntu.jpg |
| 03:00.59 | mike-m | it's running |
| 03:01.06 | mike-m | but I will stick with irssi again |
| 03:01.10 | mike-m | and screen |
| 03:01.27 | tux | deadcat: it's a foto of ubuntu disc |
| 03:01.37 | Gnea | tux: you're running ubuntu? |
| 03:01.38 | tux | but my camera is bad |
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| 03:01.50 | tux | Gnea: not. I am using debian. |
| 03:01.57 | Gnea | oh ok |
| 03:02.07 | deadcat | Gnea: i was just scaring you (= |
| 03:02.22 | tux | Gnea: I pasted the version at #flood |
| 03:02.27 | tux | Can you see it? |
| 03:02.34 | Gnea | tux: nope, i'm not there. |
| 03:02.58 | deadcat | tux: hows the university? |
| 03:03.01 | nimak | backwards smilies confuse me, at first, it looks like a frownie |
| 03:03.01 | Gnea | tux: try again |
| 03:03.17 | tux | I pasted again. |
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| 03:03.29 | Dwonis | nimak: what, a frownie with chin hair? |
| 03:03.33 | Gnea | tux: okay, do this: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 03:03.38 | tux | deadcat: fine in China. |
| 03:03.43 | Gnea | tux: lemme know when it finishes |
| 03:03.55 | nimak | hahaha, Dwonis |
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| 03:04.38 | nimak | hahaha, tux is on ubuntu |
| 03:05.00 | deadcat | nimak: how you know? he said no |
| 03:05.00 | Gnea | nimak: ahhahaha, you've been fooled |
| 03:05.04 | tux | no. I never used ubuntu. |
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| 03:05.18 | nimak | im just joking, im tired so its funny to me |
| 03:05.29 | tux | lol |
| 03:05.42 | Gnea | :) |
| 03:05.44 | deadcat | nimak: you have low expectation when it comes to humor |
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| 03:06.10 | nimak | deadcat, i find really weird stuff funny when im tired |
| 03:06.12 | deadcat | i got a funny joke |
| 03:06.15 | Dwonis | deadcat: I can't help but think that that photo is of you looking up from an operating table at a bunch of smiling Ubuntu people who are about to harvest your organs |
| 03:06.16 | Gnea | deadcat: he lives under an oppressive government, what did you expect? |
| 03:06.22 | cms_ | Do the security updates apply to the testing version as well as stable? |
| 03:06.50 | deadcat | Dwonis: hahah. good one |
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| 03:07.00 | nimak | joke, deadcat? |
| 03:07.05 | deadcat | oh right |
| 03:07.12 | deadcat | a black guy walks into a bar right? |
| 03:07.16 | tux | Gnea: this is my 2nd time on irc. IRC is blocked here |
| 03:07.28 | prodope | does the package 'quota' require that i patch my kernel to use it for disk-management? |
| 03:07.29 | Gnea | tux: damn. |
| 03:07.42 | nimak | tux, someone needs to be slapped REALLY hard |
| 03:08.19 | liable | cms_: /msg dpkg etch sevurity |
| 03:08.25 | liable | security too. |
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| 03:08.30 | jbrimble | Is there a shell command that you can enter to make the machine beep from its internal speaker? |
| 03:08.30 | prodope | i use the 2.6.15.4 kernel, but can't find a patch for it |
| 03:08.42 | abrotman | ctrl-g |
| 03:08.54 | abrotman | !beep |
| 03:08.54 | dpkg | beep is probably /exec -o echo -ne "\007". A generic application level transport, with multiple channels over TCP and a nice standard auth section + many other goodies, see www.beepcore.org for more info, or apt-get install beep, or ^G, or a buggy xmms gtk2 port |
| 03:08.56 | deadcat | prodope: no. why? |
| 03:09.37 | deadcat | prodope: did you enable quota in menuconfig? or load them odule? |
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| 03:10.00 | nimak | if im on a remote system, and i hit ctrl-g, will it beep? |
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| 03:10.24 | deadcat | Gnea: i was gonna say something about his government but i didnt want to offend him or something (= |
| 03:10.25 | abrotman | locally .. yes |
| 03:10.33 | tux | I got update another day, the mirror has some problem |
| 03:10.35 | jbrimble | Ctrl-G isn't working through SSH |
| 03:10.40 | deadcat | nimak: it might flash. |
| 03:10.46 | astoria | Quick question, using dhcpd on a firewall with my external device (eth0) assigned by sbc via dhcp. How do i configure dhcpd to pick up this change so it won't crash when i restart it every time? Thanks! |
| 03:10.54 | prodope | deadcat: neither... i just downloaded the quota package and read the mini-howto, and it said i needed a patched kernel |
| 03:10.59 | Gnea | deadcat: he's obviously not someone else ;) |
| 03:11.00 | prodope | but only had links to older kernels |
| 03:11.05 | deadcat | prodope: quota package is part of debian. |
| 03:12.09 | deadcat | prodope: ii quota 3.13-4 implementation of the disk quota system |
| 03:12.14 | Dwonis | prodop: I'm pretty sure you don't have to patch anything (you might have had to a LONG time ago) |
| 03:12.19 | prodope | deadcat: yes, i know, i used apt-get to download it, ...does that mean it should work without using a patched kernel? |
| 03:12.27 | Shagwell | quota/quotatool work on stable's vanilla 2.6.8 kernel |
| 03:12.42 | deadcat | prodope: ya. just enable it in /etc/fstab and create the file in the partition |
| 03:13.04 | prodope | awesome, thanks |
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| 03:13.07 | stew | prodope: did you read /usr/share/doc/quota/* ? |
| 03:13.18 | deadcat | stew: i doubt he even know theres doc there |
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| 03:13.29 | stew | deadcat: yes, that was why i was brining it up |
| 03:13.30 | prodope | stew, no, i read the mini-howto |
| 03:13.43 | prodope | hah, you guys are always dicks about questions |
| 03:13.50 | deadcat | just me |
| 03:13.53 | SeBs | please someone knows where I can find msn messenger for linux? |
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| 03:14.00 | stew | prodope: i was trying to be helpful, not a dick |
| 03:14.01 | ufo | cant use with mysql-admin the user config? |
| 03:14.03 | thingfish | SeBs: just use gaim. |
| 03:14.03 | liable | !amsn |
| 03:14.04 | dpkg | rumour has it, amsn is Alvaro's Messenger (http://amsn.sourceforge.net/), an MSN client. |
| 03:14.05 | drusscol | I have a windows box (currently running knoppix) with a dying, ntfs hard drive, and a debian box with a hard drive big enough to hold all the data from the other box. what's the best way to get what data can be saved in such a way that I can restore most of it later (possibly in conjunction with other backups)? I tried rsync and dd_rescue over ssh, but they both got tied up every time there was a read error. |
| 03:14.07 | alex116 | msn messenger... hmmm |
| 03:14.09 | tux | SeBS: amsn or gaim |
| 03:14.17 | SeBs | Ok thnkx |
| 03:14.36 | mike-m | ms what ?! |
| 03:14.41 | thingfish | if you're getting read errors, it may be too late. |
| 03:14.46 | jbrimble | SeBs: Use gaim |
| 03:15.07 | SeBs | How I configure Gaim for msn? |
| 03:15.14 | deadcat | always use apt-cache search first SeBs! |
| 03:15.14 | ufo | could someone help me with mysql-admin? |
| 03:15.23 | thingfish | SeBs: install it, start it, and see. |
| 03:15.24 | alex116 | add an msn account on gaim account configuration |
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| 03:15.55 | SeBs | whats the auth host? |
| 03:16.04 | deadcat | we dont konw |
| 03:16.07 | tux | SeBS: gaim can show if you are in your buddy's list :) |
| 03:16.11 | alex116 | you dont have to set that |
| 03:17.02 | abrotman | !tell drusscol about ntfsro |
| 03:17.05 | SeBs | But in gain I can configurate a msn accout? |
| 03:17.09 | SeBs | account? |
| 03:17.09 | jbrimble | ah damn, that's how she knew i took her off my list |
| 03:17.18 | deadcat | SeBs: try it . we dont know |
| 03:17.21 | tux | :-) |
| 03:17.26 | thingfish | SeBs, now why in the hell would we have told you about it if you couldn't? |
| 03:17.42 | thingfish | and like we care about msn to begin with. |
| 03:17.45 | thingfish | pfft |
| 03:17.48 | jbrimble | pfft |
| 03:17.51 | thingfish | hehe |
| 03:17.55 | tux | I find one girl has deleted me. |
| 03:18.09 | curt | for good reason probably |
| 03:18.11 | thingfish | well she has no taste, you say to yourself. |
| 03:18.16 | drusscol | abrotman: uh... so? |
| 03:18.20 | SeBs | I dunno, you werent?¿ |
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| 03:18.23 | SeBs | :p |
| 03:18.29 | abrotman | drusscol: uh .. what? |
| 03:18.51 | dga | is there a program that can fetch the time and date from an accurate source on the web? |
| 03:18.51 | drusscol | I know you can mount ntfs partitions read-only, but what did that have to do with my question? |
| 03:18.52 | abrotman | drusscol: if you can't read the data . what makes you think you'll be able to restore it and have it work |
| 03:18.53 | curt | drusscol, might be a good way to mv data back and forth |
| 03:19.00 | nimak | SeBs, youre crazy, look at your crazy question marks |
| 03:19.09 | nimak | i can tell these sorts of things |
| 03:19.13 | drusscol | I can read a lot of it |
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| 03:19.21 | SeBs | Yeah.. pretty crazy.. |
| 03:19.22 | abrotman | drusscol: if you can't read the data .. you can't back it up |
| 03:19.37 | abrotman | drusscol: so .. you'll have to do it piecemeal i guess |
| 03:19.40 | abrotman | !ubcd |
| 03:19.40 | dpkg | ubcd is probably http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ or and a version full of windows tools http://www.ubcd4win.com/ |
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| 03:19.48 | abrotman | might have something you can use to get it off somehow |
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| 03:20.02 | nemesis | I'm trying to instal unrar |
| 03:20.24 | nemesis | and it keeps saying "Package unrar is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 03:20.24 | nemesis | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 03:20.24 | nemesis | is only available from another source |
| 03:20.25 | nemesis | E: Package unrar has no installation candidate |
| 03:20.25 | nemesis | " |
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| 03:20.32 | curt | !tell nemesis -about non-free |
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| 03:21.07 | Gnea | !tell nemesis about flood |
| 03:21.11 | curt | !tell nemesis -about non-free |
| 03:21.18 | nemesis | ta guys |
| 03:21.19 | nemesis | :) |
| 03:22.06 | tux | anyone using compose key under gnome? |
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| 03:22.14 | deadcat | no |
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| 03:22.27 | SeBs | Hey Guys, really, nobody knows how to run msn on linux??? |
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| 03:22.36 | urano2k6 | no |
| 03:22.38 | gravity | SeBs: gaim |
| 03:22.47 | tux | thx |
| 03:22.52 | deadcat | no msn account |
| 03:22.53 | curt | SeBs, on gaim you just select msn and it works |
| 03:22.57 | thingfish | SeBs: don't be a tard. try gaim like everyone's been telling you. |
| 03:22.59 | SeBs | no... gain is only for icq... |
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| 03:23.05 | gravity | SeBs: No... it's not |
| 03:23.13 | thingfish | ok, it's a lost cause. |
| 03:23.17 | SeBs | fuck! |
| 03:23.19 | deadcat | SeBs: click around you lazy bastard |
| 03:23.22 | thingfish | indeed. |
| 03:23.27 | dga | is there a program that will fetch the time from a source on the internet? |
| 03:23.34 | shadow98 | anybody know where i can find good guide on setting up snort on debian |
| 03:23.36 | tux | dga: npt |
| 03:23.46 | curt | that was in the news today |
| 03:23.49 | dga | ty |
| 03:23.50 | abrotman | shadow98: /usr/share/doc/snort/ ? |
| 03:23.50 | deadcat | SeBs: you dont even have to man the mofo. geez |
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| 03:23.54 | thingfish | I thought it was nntp, but I am often mistaken. |
| 03:24.20 | [Cadet] | I thought it was ntp |
| 03:24.22 | tux | dga: ntp |
| 03:24.33 | abrotman | nntp is news . ntp is time |
| 03:24.36 | thingfish | I sure don't know - especially in my current condition. |
| 03:24.47 | thingfish | ah, thank you, abrotman. |
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| 03:25.07 | thingfish | too many n's on my part. |
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| 03:25.30 | TimeRider | anyone can try a url for Me? think I've screwed up the files for bind, lol |
| 03:25.36 | TimeRider | http://cam.timerider.co.uk |
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| 03:26.33 | TimeRider | so it doesn't work, or everyone asleep? |
| 03:26.43 | Sonny | hi. do you know how can I change the language of my kde? I saw in the control center but the option is disabled |
| 03:26.43 | deadcat | eat |
| 03:27.01 | TimeRider | ahh |
| 03:27.04 | drusscol | Does anyone know how to decrease the timeout for read errors on a hard drive, either for a particular application (like dd or dd_rescue) or for the drive in general? |
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| 03:27.22 | TimeRider | I just wanna know if My site is still working!! http://cam.timerider.co.uk |
| 03:27.40 | Brian_L | ill check for you |
| 03:27.43 | TimeRider | thx man |
| 03:27.50 | curt | I see your site |
| 03:27.57 | TimeRider | cool, thanks dude :) |
| 03:28.04 | _chou-cho | im having problems with bootsplash. So far i can get it to update tty2-6 with the current theme on startup, but i cant get it to be effective on tty1 |
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| 03:28.05 | Brian_L | your good to go |
| 03:28.12 | TimeRider | I changed some settings for a subdomain, and was getting reports that it didn't work |
| 03:28.20 | stew | TimeRider: http://dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=timerider.co.uk |
| 03:28.24 | Brian_L | main page comes up, links work |
| 03:28.25 | TimeRider | thx man :) |
| 03:28.31 | TimeRider | I was looking for something like that :) |
| 03:29.03 | Brian_L | cool site |
| 03:29.12 | gloin | is anyone aware of mysql crashing after upgrading to etch? And how do I uncrash it? =] |
| 03:29.24 | abrotman | read your logs .. why is it crashing? |
| 03:29.27 | gloin | the logs have given me limited information |
| 03:29.35 | gloin | starts a stack trace and then aborts |
| 03:29.37 | gloin | after two lines |
| 03:29.39 | abrotman | gloin: pick a different verbosity |
| 03:29.48 | TimeRider | hehe, main page is www.timerider.co.uk Brian |
| 03:29.57 | TimeRider | and the cam is usually online on that page, just not at the mo, lol |
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| 03:31.00 | fudje | Hey. |
| 03:31.08 | tux | hei |
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| 03:32.00 | fudje | Anybody able to clue me in on why libnspr4-0d from xulrunner can't provide libnspr4? |
| 03:32.26 | Sonny | hi. do you know how can I change the language of kde? |
| 03:32.38 | gloin | http://pastebin.com/588252 |
| 03:32.44 | gloin | that's mysql going "oof!" |
| 03:32.53 | gloin | like I say |
| 03:33.02 | gloin | the only change was going sarge->etch |
| 03:33.13 | gloin | (which is not minor, I know) |
| 03:33.24 | ke6isf | !tell gloin -about enter |
| 03:33.58 | abrotman | gloin: it can't even do a backtrace |
| 03:34.03 | stew | gloin: try running mysqld at the command line |
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| 03:34.26 | gloin | stew: I've tried that with --log |
| 03:34.29 | gloin | same output |
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| 03:34.54 | stew | oh, you have bigger problems |
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| 03:34.59 | gloin | ? |
| 03:35.11 | foreyezz | how come it says "you need to be identified" when i try to get into #java... how do i do that? |
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| 03:35.16 | dondelelcaro | gloin: you'll need to build that package with the debugging symbols; it would also help if you told us which version of mysql and what distribution you're using. |
| 03:35.20 | dondelelcaro | foreyezz: /msg nickserv help reigster |
| 03:35.23 | dondelelcaro | s/ig/gi/ |
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| 03:35.56 | foreyezz | dondelelcaro, s/ig/gi/ ;) omigawd. |
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| 03:35.57 | jsumners | i have read the link that dpkg gives me when i ask him about "xgl-howto" but i don't see an apt repository listed and it seems to be geared toward Ubuntu. is there an apt repository for this package? |
| 03:36.18 | gloin | ahh dondelelcaro ok. mysql version is 4.1.15-Debian_1 and distro should be obvious as I'm in #debian =] |
| 03:36.28 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: why don't all things have a -dbg version ? |
| 03:36.35 | gloin | compiling mysql on a VPS isn't going to be fun, either =[ |
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| 03:36.52 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: what should really happen is those symbols should be collected and uploaded along with the package |
| 03:37.08 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: dh_strip (and strip) can save them now... it's just that nothing useful is done with them. |
| 03:37.21 | abrotman | yay! |
| 03:37.21 | dondelelcaro | gloin: no, I mean, whether it's stable or unstable. |
| 03:37.28 | gloin | unstable |
| 03:37.30 | gloin | etch |
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| 03:37.39 | abrotman | unstable is sid .. etch is testing |
| 03:37.39 | dondelelcaro | gloin: uh... etch is testing. pick one. |
| 03:37.44 | gloin | oh |
| 03:37.46 | gloin | testing =[ |
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| 03:38.08 | curt | etch has mysql5 |
| 03:38.10 | tux | I am going for lunch. |
| 03:38.10 | gloin | sorry about the excessive dumbness - I've got a terrible cold and have been fogheadded all day |
| 03:38.11 | markedwards | Howdy all. Does anyone know of a good site to monitor progress of Debian on Intel Macs, such as the new Mac Mini? |
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| 03:39.23 | gloin | I wonder if going to mysql5 would solve the problem or only make things worse at this point |
| 03:39.27 | abrotman | markedwards: doesn't the firmware "protect" the machine ? |
| 03:39.29 | gloin | I'm pretty sure I won't break any of my sql |
| 03:39.38 | fudje | Intel Mac: obviously there wasn't enough pointless **** in the world yet. |
| 03:39.47 | curt | markedwards, and isn't that illegal? |
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| 03:39.55 | markedwards | no, no and no |
| 03:39.55 | abrotman | curt: depends on your country :) |
| 03:40.03 | curt | abrotman, true |
| 03:40.08 | markedwards | They don't give a damn if you install other OS's |
| 03:40.13 | curt | gloin, never know might |
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| 03:40.16 | markedwards | what are you guys smoking? :-) |
| 03:40.19 | bucky | gloin: how are you trying to start mysql ? /etc/init.d/mysql start ? |
| 03:40.23 | unstable | abrotman: huh? |
| 03:40.27 | abrotman | markedwards: then what's stopping it from runnign debian? .. it's an intel chipset .. should work fine |
| 03:40.38 | markedwards | It doesn't have a regular BIOS |
| 03:40.39 | gloin | bucky: I've tried that, I've also tried mysqld and mysqld_safe |
| 03:40.41 | dondelelcaro | markedwards: there's some information about it on planet.debian.org |
| 03:40.58 | Sonny | hi do you know how can I change the language of my kde? |
| 03:41.01 | markedwards | Someone has gotten the kernel booting, but I don't know how easy it is to install debian. |
| 03:41.06 | dondelelcaro | some of the people who actually have the devices are using it. |
| 03:41.08 | markedwards | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 03:41.19 | fudje | markedwards: I'm smoking "Apple screwed up" flavour of "not happy," because intel processors were a poor decision from a technical standpoint :) |
| 03:41.24 | jsumners | oh cute. gnome-desktop-environment in sid is depending on an experimental gnomemeeting package |
| 03:41.24 | kspath_ | YAY! debianplanet.org is BACK! |
| 03:41.33 | abrotman | http://www.mactel-linux.org/wiki/Main_Page |
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| 03:41.44 | gravity | debianplanet.org matters? |
| 03:41.57 | abrotman | gravity: it used to be a decent site |
| 03:42.00 | abrotman | dunno anymore |
| 03:42.01 | dondelelcaro | gravity: dunno, I don't think I've used it before. |
| 03:42.08 | fudje | jsumners: We still package gnomemeeting? |
| 03:42.10 | Daveman | heh |
| 03:42.14 | abrotman | as did debianhelp.org |
| 03:42.15 | markedwards | fudje: well whatever, I'm happy to have a near-silent, tiny server that will run anything that is on X86, at least eventually |
| 03:42.16 | gloin | hmm, apparently there's no postfix-mysql in etch? I'll have to build. |
| 03:42.17 | jsumners | fudje evidently |
| 03:42.32 | jsumners | "gnome-desktop-environment: Depends: gnomemeeting (>= 1.2.3-1experimental1) but it is not going to be installed" |
| 03:42.35 | fudje | Hmm. apt-cache search ekiga turns up nothing |
| 03:42.35 | gloin | oh nevermind |
| 03:42.57 | abrotman | jsumners: if it makes you feel better . that gnomemeeting depends on ubuntu-ish packages :) |
| 03:43.00 | dondelelcaro | jsumners: uh... why are you using the gnome-desktop-environment packages from experimental? |
| 03:43.07 | gpm | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:43.10 | fudje | markedwards: So why not build up a miniITX with a turion processor? |
| 03:43.11 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: he's not |
| 03:43.15 | jsumners | dondelelcaro i'm not |
| 03:43.19 | gpm | lol |
| 03:43.28 | abrotman | gpm: i think so .. i was looking into it yesterday |
| 03:43.34 | gpm | jsumners: you know how to use the bts, right? |
| 03:43.40 | gpm | jsumners: and apt-listbugs? |
| 03:43.57 | markedwards | fudje: because I don't want to deal with it, I wouldn't save much money if any, and it wouldn't run OS X easily |
| 03:43.59 | dondelelcaro | then someone has rather strange Depends: lines... |
| 03:44.01 | jsumners | gpm i haven't gotten to install the bug report tool yet *sigh* |
| 03:44.18 | gloin | wow |
| 03:44.22 | gloin | same problem in mysql5 |
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| 03:44.35 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/gnome/gnome-desktop-environment |
| 03:44.43 | gloin | exact same output into syslog as in mysql4.5 |
| 03:44.47 | jsumners | dondelelcaro i just installed sid. none of my apt sources point toward experimental |
| 03:44.56 | abrotman | oh .. they fixed the gnomemeeting depends |
| 03:45.01 | markedwards | fudje: and if Intel processors were a poor decision, why would I want to do that anyway? |
| 03:45.08 | abrotman | or not |
| 03:45.23 | abrotman | since it depends on two versions of the library for libopenh323 |
| 03:45.31 | hadrien | quit |
| 03:45.36 | hadrien | exit |
| 03:45.39 | fudje | markedwards: because you don't understand processors? Don't feel bad about it, most people don't. Apparently not even Apple do anymore. |
| 03:45.42 | abrotman | hadrien: use a / |
| 03:45.42 | deadcat | abrotman: its broken it sid. it will remove my gnomemeeting if i dist-upgrade |
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| 03:45.51 | abrotman | deadcat: maybe .. do you use gnomemeeting? |
| 03:46.01 | dn4 | what is the best way to take a bin/cue file and watch them ? |
| 03:46.04 | deadcat | abrotman: no but i have a webcame (= |
| 03:46.10 | deadcat | and i MIGHT |
| 03:46.11 | deadcat | hehe |
| 03:46.12 | abrotman | deadcat: i don't want to see |
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| 03:46.29 | fudje | From what I can tell, it's been made as a purely economical decision just before PPC is about to become a dykeload cheaper |
| 03:46.29 | deadcat | abrotman: its just pointin to my door. |
| 03:46.30 | hadrien | \logout |
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| 03:46.56 | markedwards | fudje: you're talking out your ass. |
| 03:47.11 | jetscreamer | lies! he HAS no ass! |
| 03:47.15 | markedwards | Thanks all! |
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| 03:47.36 | abrotman | i thought it was marked-wards .. not mark-edwards :) |
| 03:47.51 | deadcat | abrotman: http://sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/camorama-1141703232.jpeg |
| 03:47.53 | jetscreamer | !info bin2iso |
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| 03:48.02 | fudje | jetscreamer: I prefers horses to donkeys. Much less stubborn if you can convince them to like you. |
| 03:48.02 | abrotman | deadcat: NOT LOOKING LALALALALA |
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| 03:48.05 | jetscreamer | well there is such a thing |
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| 03:48.42 | ke6isf | jetscreamer: Don't worry, we believe you! =^_^= |
| 03:49.07 | jetscreamer | but my point is that you can use bin2iso and make an iso and jsut mount it |
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| 03:49.35 | bidha2kbsd | I can dial out from my extenral modem but i cannot recieved a dain-in call. i have followed all wellknown HOWTO for dialin server but my modem still doesn't receive a call ... should i use some AT command to reset to receive mode. any help greatly appreciated |
| 03:49.35 | jetscreamer | otherwise k3b can do bin/cue, maybe export to .iso |
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| 03:50.59 | [Cadet] | mplayer file.bin |
| 03:51.26 | lightcap | anyone successfully set up user mode linux with sarge? |
| 03:51.36 | fudje | [Cadet]: that could produce interesting results if file.bin is a CD image |
| 03:51.40 | gloin | lightcap: yes indeed |
| 03:51.45 | lightcap | I can't seem to get the guest networking working |
| 03:51.47 | fudje | lightcap: Yes. I don't remember how, it was ages ago |
| 03:51.58 | gloin | go to -oftc #linode to see an entire business run off that |
| 03:52.01 | [Cadet] | He said he wanted to watch them so I was assuming a movie |
| 03:52.09 | litage | if a cisco router says that is has an analog (V.92) port, would it be used as a secondary WAN port, or would it allow you to dial into the router with a modem? |
| 03:52.12 | fudje | lightcap: Using tun method? |
| 03:52.30 | lightcap | fudje: yeah, I believe so |
| 03:52.34 | gloin | lightcap: there's something about tls... give me a minute and I'll remember |
| 03:52.34 | tux | anyone use compose key under gnome? |
| 03:52.36 | curt | abrotman, it really is a picture of his door! |
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| 03:52.47 | tux | anyone use compose key under gnome? |
| 03:52.51 | lightcap | gloin: yeah, that's not it though...I saw the tls problem |
| 03:52.54 | gloin | ok |
| 03:53.01 | gloin | you might want to join up there anyhow |
| 03:53.04 | abrotman | curt: i'm not looking lalalalala |
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| 03:53.05 | fudje | tux: Yes. Is awësome. |
| 03:53.08 | gloin | the admins are both pretty good techs |
| 03:53.13 | lightcap | I just can't seemt to get the guest to route correctly |
| 03:53.16 | tux | After I updated my testing debian, compose key in gnome doesn't work at all. |
| 03:53.18 | gloin | oh |
| 03:53.20 | gloin | heh |
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| 03:53.22 | gloin | yeah one sec |
| 03:53.23 | lightcap | the br0 device is set up |
| 03:53.27 | curt | abrotman, would I lie to you? |
| 03:53.28 | fudje | tux: Do you get an XKB error dialogue at login? |
| 03:53.29 | rjent | greetings |
| 03:53.32 | tux | fudje: how do you enable it? |
| 03:53.39 | tux | fudje: not yet. |
| 03:53.45 | fudje | tux: Currently, I'm enabling it in Xorg.conf |
| 03:53.46 | tux | fudje: do you use gnome? |
| 03:53.51 | abrotman | curt: do the amish drive buggies? |
| 03:53.52 | fudje | tux: Yes. |
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| 03:54.00 | gloin | sheesh, something's seriously broken on mysql for me. I'll have to compile with debugging enabled =[ |
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| 03:54.03 | tux | fudje:can I have a looka at your conf? |
| 03:54.03 | rjent | just wanted to chime in and say that I am very excited on the debian-live project |
| 03:54.16 | cjaymes | is cgiwrap still the "official" way to make ~user scripts be executed as user? |
| 03:54.43 | fudje | tux: There relevant line is in the kbd "InputDevice" Section: |
| 03:54.48 | fudje | tux: Option "XkbOptions" "altwin:meta_win,compose:rwin" |
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| 03:55.27 | fudje | That puts compose on the right "windows" key (actually, the right open-apple key, because I'm using a powerbook, but same effect) |
| 03:55.29 | abrotman | curt: that was a joke |
| 03:55.34 | curt | gloin, try dumping your tables and dropping them |
| 03:55.44 | fudje | tux: Make sense? |
| 03:55.50 | abrotman | gloin: go ask #mysql quickly .. see if they can help |
| 03:55.54 | gloin | curt: how can I dump and/or drop the tables if mysql won't start =] |
| 03:56.01 | abrotman | curt: at least i didn't say "Does shoofly pie stick to walls?" |
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| 03:56.02 | curt | abrotman, funny thought, there's an amish down the road that drives a john deer gator... |
| 03:56.07 | fudje | gloin: With a screwdriver. |
| 03:56.09 | gloin | hehe |
| 03:56.10 | tobehz | what is a good way to sync files up between different boxes? like, one box gets a new file, and the other two boxes get it, or if a file name is changed, the other servers change the file name |
| 03:56.12 | gloin | no joke |
| 03:56.15 | abrotman | curt: then he's menonite |
| 03:56.20 | curt | abrotman, yes |
| 03:56.25 | Led_Zeppelin | hey, anyone know how to convert a flac file to wav? |
| 03:56.33 | cjaymes | abrotman, the amish are somewhat progressive when it comes to business |
| 03:56.47 | abrotman | cjaymes: i live in PA |
| 03:57.06 | tux | fudje: then restart X? |
| 03:57.07 | cjaymes | abrotman, me too |
| 03:57.10 | abrotman | i've almost hit those guys at 4am as they drive to church in the buggies :) |
| 03:57.13 | fudje | tux: yep |
| 03:57.19 | stew | tobehz: rsync |
| 03:57.33 | Daveman | heh |
| 03:57.40 | tobehz | stew: it can recognize file name changes and update accordingly? |
| 03:57.42 | abrotman | cjaymes: it depends . it's something about mechanics and the household .. i don't remember what exactly |
| 03:57.51 | Daveman | who drives to church in a buggy? other than the amish? |
| 03:58.05 | cjaymes | abrotman, they're having some troubles making a living since the world no longer values small farmers |
| 03:58.08 | curt | abrotman, i'n in the amish part of eastern ohio and they get killed all the time driving those buggy's |
| 03:58.09 | abrotman | Daveman: people from the 1800s? |
| 03:58.13 | Daveman | oh heh :) |
| 03:58.15 | stew | tobehz: a filename change would look like a file was deleted and another was added |
| 03:58.15 | Daveman | good point |
| 03:58.19 | abrotman | cjaymes: that's why they sell quilts! |
| 03:58.25 | tobehz | stew: so it would delete the file? |
| 03:58.36 | lightcap | fudje: the other wierd thing is that I did a debootstrap sarge uml and got a 2.4.x kernel... |
| 03:58.37 | stew | tobehz: eyes |
| 03:58.43 | tobehz | nice, thanks |
| 03:58.50 | cjaymes | lots are starting to do outside work like construction & landscaping |
| 03:58.56 | weasel00 | Daveman : any hippie who bought a volkswagon when the beetle was reintroduced |
| 03:59.20 | fudje | lightcap: Doesn't sarge normally come with a 2.4.x kernel? |
| 03:59.30 | cjaymes | we actually had some put up fences; they do very good work (in my experience) |
| 03:59.32 | lightcap | I thought it was 2.6.x |
| 03:59.52 | lightcap | I just got a freshly installed box handed to me...it was 2.6.x, unless they upgraded the kernel |
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| 03:59.58 | tux | hi |
| 03:59.58 | abrotman | cjaymes: they most certainly do |
| 03:59.59 | stew | fudje: it comes with 2.4.27 and 2.6.8 |
| 04:00.01 | fudje | lightcap: I installed sarge on a physical box a couple of days ago from CD, and got a 222.4.x kernel |
| 04:00.02 | tux | do not work |
| 04:00.07 | fudje | stew: Sound familiar |
| 04:00.16 | tux | fudje: do not work |
| 04:00.19 | fudje | s/Sound/&s/ |
| 04:00.20 | tux | xorg.log says |
| 04:00.25 | fudje | tux: Do you get an error now? |
| 04:00.35 | lightcap | this one is 2.6.8, but the deboostrap gave 2.4.26 |
| 04:00.38 | cjaymes | abrotman, heh, unless the work needs done on sunday :) |
| 04:00.42 | tux | (**) XKB: options: "altwin:meta_win,compose:rwin" |
| 04:00.43 | tux | (==) Keyboard: CustomKeycode disabled |
| 04:00.52 | ke6isf | !tell tux -about flood |
| 04:01.04 | abrotman | cjaymes: i don't want to work on a sunday .. i don't expect them to |
| 04:01.26 | tux | ke6isf: thanks |
| 04:01.34 | ke6isf | tux: You're welcome. |
| 04:01.40 | gloin | hmm |
| 04:01.40 | tux | i am sorry to paste it. |
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| 04:02.02 | tux | fudje: can you figure it out? |
| 04:02.07 | ke6isf | tux: Like the factoid says, 2 lines is usually fine. Thought I'd give you a warning about doing more than that, though, so you don't find out the hard way. =^^= |
| 04:02.55 | tux | ke6isf: i would not paste it if more than 3:) |
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| 04:03.05 | ke6isf | tux: Best to use a pastebin, in gneeral. |
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| 04:03.24 | fudje | tux: I'm not sure.... |
| 04:03.50 | tux | wave abrotman |
| 04:03.52 | curt | me too... |
| 04:03.54 | tux | :( |
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| 04:05.21 | tux | fudje: can I have a look at the whole InputDevice section of xorg.conf? |
| 04:06.18 | fudje | tux: hang on |
| 04:07.00 | tux | ok |
| 04:07.05 | litage | what software would you use if you want to be able to dial in to a linux box using a modem over a phone line? |
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| 04:07.52 | charles | anyone familiar with single board computers? |
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| 04:08.31 | fudje | tuc: Have the whole config file: http://grapevine.net.au/~whittlerc/xorg.conf |
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| 04:09.27 | tux | fudje: thanks. |
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| 04:10.15 | Nopalin | hi, if i have a unstable source before a stable source... what source is default for apt? |
| 04:10.16 | fudje | litage: server or client? |
| 04:10.45 | litage | fudje: software that will act as a server (ie: accept an incoming connection on the modem) |
| 04:10.47 | fudje | Nopalin: whichever one you give a higher priority |
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| 04:11.04 | tobehz | how can i get the specific kernel source for the debian 3.1 kernel? 92. |
| 04:11.06 | fudje | litage: pppd, radius, mgetty. I think that covers it |
| 04:11.11 | tobehz | err, (2.4.27-2-386) |
| 04:11.17 | Nopalin | what do you mean with priority? |
| 04:11.35 | Nopalin | i have a source with experimental.. this is the default? |
| 04:11.40 | Nopalin | if* |
| 04:11.46 | fudje | Nopalin: if you haven't set up package pinning |
| 04:12.06 | Nopalin | where i set up package pinning? |
| 04:12.12 | fudje | Nopalin: you can change the priority of distributions in /etc/apt/preferences |
| 04:12.21 | Nopalin | sorry, i dont know that |
| 04:12.25 | Nopalin | ahhhh ok |
| 04:12.26 | fudje | it's called 'pinning' |
| 04:12.34 | Nopalin | let me see my apt preferences |
| 04:12.47 | Nopalin | by default debian sarge has stable low priority right? |
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| 04:13.21 | jetscreamer | hey how come hwinfo --monitor doesn't work anymore? it used to function with sudo. |
| 04:13.22 | hari` | If on etch, I type (apt-get remove abiword*), it decides it wants to raze all of the myriad packages of GNOME and then reinstall it all back. Anyone happen to know what kind of dependency might have been the cause of that? |
| 04:13.26 | fudje | If you don't pin, the newest version is selected |
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| 04:13.43 | litage | fudje: is dialing into and logging into mgetty the same as logging in at a console? (ie: you get a proper login prompt and have access to the CLI?) |
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| 04:14.11 | fudje | litage: Um. Probably, actually. I haven't actually set up pppd as a server in a while |
| 04:14.19 | Nopalin | fudje i haven't a preferences file... where i can find it? |
| 04:14.22 | fudje | litage: You possibly just want pppd and radius.... |
| 04:14.54 | Ozarka | I'm trying to install the ieee80211 sybsystem so that I can compile the ipw2200 drivers. What option should I pass it so that ipw2200 can find the header files when I build it? |
| 04:15.22 | fudje | Nopalin: make one: man apt_preferences |
| 04:15.56 | Ozarka | Or do I not need to pass it anything and there is some default directory for the ieee80211 headers? |
| 04:16.31 | litage | fudje: why radius too? |
| 04:16.44 | Nopalin | fudje: thanks, let me see |
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| 04:18.14 | fudje | litage: You need to log in with _something_ |
| 04:18.41 | litage | fudje: why do you recommend pppd over mgetty? |
| 04:19.19 | fudje | litage: Because you reminded me that mgetty gives you a serial line rather than a peer-to-peer connection ;) |
| 04:19.19 | joey_ | which package should I install to get library libX11.so.6 |
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| 04:19.32 | gravity | joey_: libx11-6 |
| 04:19.53 | litage | fudje: ah, so mgetty's only for RS-232 (serial) connections? |
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| 04:20.14 | joey_ | not libx-dev ? |
| 04:20.29 | joey_ | not libx11-dev ? |
| 04:20.36 | fudje | litage: no, mgetty gives you serial line functionality over a modem :) Also fax and voice answering. |
| 04:20.41 | gravity | joey_: That's for the headers |
| 04:20.50 | joey_ | i see, thanks |
| 04:21.36 | kcent_ | which file is the "right" file for configuring static routes? |
| 04:21.39 | litage | fudje: ah, whereas pppd + radius would allow me to dial in to my linux box through a connected phone line and get access to the linux box's CLI? |
| 04:22.08 | fudje | litage: I'm not sure it's that simple |
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| 04:22.39 | litage | fudje: why's that? |
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| 04:23.08 | weasel00 | what can i use for windows to boot a bootable debian image file? *.img |
| 04:23.27 | weasel00 | s/w boot/make |
| 04:23.40 | litage | weasel: burn it to a CD or DVD |
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| 04:24.03 | weasel00 | litage : im trying but aparently i dont have anything that will burn an img file =\ |
| 04:24.14 | fudje | litage: because I tried once and it was hard. Capiçe? |
| 04:24.29 | gloin | ergh |
| 04:24.36 | gloin | what's the debian package name for g++ |
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| 04:24.43 | jsumners | g++ |
| 04:24.50 | gloin | I try to apt-cache search for it and get everything with the letter g in it |
| 04:25.11 | fudje | litage: Okay, mgetty is possibly useful to you after all. Radius might not be needed.... |
| 04:25.19 | litage | weasel: try selecting the .img anyways. nero used to say it only supported .nro images, but if you told it to burn a .iso it would |
| 04:25.22 | Nurbs | gloin: apt-cache search 'g\+\+' - think RE |
| 04:25.27 | gloin | aha |
| 04:26.28 | liable | kcent_: interfaces file |
| 04:26.50 | liable | kcent_: zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
| 04:27.06 | kcent_ | interesting. thanks |
| 04:27.36 | ice_1963 | i have a question how can i change the revolution for command line so i can run lynx and bitchx on my laptop :0) |
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| 04:28.06 | kcent_ | ah... the network keyword... |
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| 04:28.34 | kcent_ | nope... up scripts... col |
| 04:28.38 | kcent_ | cool even |
| 04:28.45 | JohnMS | I've removed all the KDE apps but the menu still lists them. How do I remove those listings? |
| 04:29.22 | ice_1963 | pl |
| 04:29.24 | Nurbs | restart your wm? |
| 04:29.42 | JohnMS | I've restarted GNOME four or five times. |
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| 04:29.43 | Nurbs | ice_1963: the revolution...? |
| 04:30.17 | Nurbs | ice_1963: resolution? |
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| 04:30.44 | fudje | litage: mgetty + pppd works :) mgetty can invoke pppd for you, and that handles PAP authentication :) |
| 04:31.23 | litage | fudje: PAP? |
| 04:31.27 | litage | or PAM? |
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| 04:31.41 | fudje | litage: pap. It's the ppp authentication mechanism |
| 04:31.47 | litage | ah |
| 04:31.47 | parsek_77 | hi all. i get my internal ip address from my router through dhcp. how can i make my machine's internal ip fixed number? |
| 04:31.56 | ice_1963 | yeah you know 800x600 to 1024x768 |
| 04:31.57 | kcent_ | thanks! that works :-) |
| 04:32.16 | fudje | parsek_77: say so in your interfaces file. inet static type |
| 04:32.42 | Daedalus_ | parsek_77:man interfaces |
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| 04:33.21 | JohnMS | Is there a command to regenerate the menu? |
| 04:33.23 | parsek_77 | fudje: right now it's: iface eth0 inet dhcp. am i gonna make it iface eth0 inet static 192.168.x.x ? |
| 04:33.56 | Nurbs | ice_1963: mhm... easiest is using vga=... at the kernel boot line. see Documentation/fb/{framebuffer.txt,fbcon.txt,vesafb.txt} and others in the kernel source tree (or kernel-doc package I guess) and possibly for framebuffer the fbset package |
| 04:34.50 | parsek_77 | fudje: how do i restart network? |
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| 04:34.52 | the | hi |
| 04:34.56 | the | anyone here? |
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| 04:35.18 | doleyb | parsek_77: ifdown etho0;ifup eth0 |
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| 04:35.29 | parsek_77 | ok |
| 04:35.34 | the | briska;flksal;dflskfklsa;faksdf |
| 04:35.36 | the | yea1 |
| 04:35.37 | the | yea! |
| 04:36.19 | ___ | how do u lke this name? |
| 04:36.21 | ___ | haha |
| 04:36.24 | ___ | very creative, yea? |
| 04:37.00 | Spec | !lame |
| 04:37.00 | dpkg | hmm... lame is : Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder at http://www.mp3dev.org/ mirrored at http://lame.sourceforge.net/ which contains debian build instructions, to make your own debs from the tarballs. Versions 3.81 onwards are LGPL!. or don't forget to 'chmod +x debian/rules'. Get .debs from <marillat> or <rarewares> |
| 04:37.08 | stew | ___: if you have anything debian to ask please get to it quickly, or move on |
| 04:37.11 | fudje | Hmm. I'd have used && rather than ; |
| 04:37.13 | stew | *debian related |
| 04:37.25 | Spec | !nickometer ___ |
| 04:37.26 | dpkg | '___' is 85.000% lame, spec |
| 04:37.36 | Spec | nope, dpkg rules it's not very creative. |
| 04:37.44 | fudje | only 85%? Not trying hard enough then. |
| 04:37.57 | fudje | !nickometer ]___[ |
| 04:37.58 | dpkg | ']___[' is 99.9331% lame, fudje |
| 04:37.59 | Spec | I don't know, that's the majority.... |
| 04:37.59 | Phated | )(*&^%$#@ ;) |
| 04:38.04 | Spec | fudje: ooo, nice job |
| 04:38.17 | ___ | this is creative because it is hard to predict how many underscores to type for my name |
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| 04:38.24 | ___ | its called "continous blurring" |
| 04:38.31 | ___ | a technique used by hackers to hide their identity |
| 04:38.34 | ___ | very hard |
| 04:38.41 | litage | fudje: thanks for your help |
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| 04:40.18 | fudje | ___: You have three. They have spaces between them. |
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| 04:40.28 | ___ | fudje, impossible |
| 04:40.31 | ___ | they are continuous |
| 04:40.41 | Gnea | only to your eyes |
| 04:40.48 | ___ | must be your font |
| 04:40.55 | ___ | you are not using the correct fond |
| 04:40.56 | ___ | font |
| 04:40.59 | phogg | ___: I find it very predictable, because I use a good font |
| 04:41.07 | Gnea | ___: you are incorrect. |
| 04:41.20 | weasel00 | ___ : use your mouse to highlight your name... simplist of things often lead to defeat ;) |
| 04:41.21 | fudje | ___: Making a a very stupid technique if you're being a lamer. |
| 04:41.36 | phogg | ___: in fact even with a bad font it's easy to determine how many cahracters are in your nick. |
| 04:41.43 | fudje | !nicometer ]__^__[ |
| 04:41.44 | ___ | phogg, how? |
| 04:41.50 | fudje | !nickometer ]__^__[ |
| 04:41.52 | dpkg | ']__^__[' is 99.9767% lame, fudje |
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| 04:41.54 | phogg | ___: every heard of wc? |
| 04:41.55 | fudje | :D |
| 04:42.02 | ___ | phogg, yes but that is a hard tool to use |
| 04:42.05 | fudje | !nickometer ]__|^|__[ |
| 04:42.07 | dpkg | ']__|^|__[' is 99.9874% lame, fudje |
| 04:42.15 | phogg | ___: hard? wc -c <<< "___" |
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| 04:42.22 | Gnea | ___: cut 'n paste |
| 04:42.27 | ___ | phogg, hyes but you have to type that |
| 04:42.28 | ___ | hahha |
| 04:42.32 | ___ | you see, it is sae |
| 04:42.33 | ___ | sae |
| 04:42.42 | ___ | i've already thought about that |
| 04:42.44 | Gnea | sae? |
| 04:42.45 | phogg | ___: No, that's what the selection buffer is for |
| 04:42.51 | ___ | phogg, whats that |
| 04:42.58 | fudje | phogg: I didn't know you could do that. Three <'s, useful. |
| 04:43.06 | phogg | fudje: bash only, sadly |
| 04:43.09 | Gnea | ___: you call yourself a hacker? |
| 04:43.17 | beered | I'm fishing for suggestions from RSS-reader users...what is your fav rss aggragator? |
| 04:43.18 | fudje | phogg: *shrug* That's what I use. |
| 04:43.19 | ___ | Gnea, ye |
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| 04:43.25 | Gnea | ___: prove it. |
| 04:43.41 | golly | any bash scripters wanna see this file output and give me some pointers on how to make a script to delete all but 1 file duplicates on my system? pastebin.com/588286 |
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| 04:44.21 | ___ | i use many powerful programs |
| 04:44.24 | ___ | to hack others |
| 04:44.25 | phogg | ___: http://standards.freedesktop.org/clipboards-spec/clipboards-0.1.txt |
| 04:44.32 | ___ | and find other's ip |
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| 04:45.06 | Gnea | that is the biggest load of horseshit i've heard in a loooong time |
| 04:45.25 | jsumners | why isn't this guy kicked yet? |
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| 04:45.48 | gravity | Because you should learn to use /ignore |
| 04:46.16 | phogg | fudje: you're remembering this: http://www.totalillusions.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=328 |
| 04:46.18 | Nurbs | golly: apt-get install fdupes? |
| 04:46.19 | koll2786 | DCC SEND "string" 0 0 0 |
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| 04:46.27 | fudje | phogg: Yep. |
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| 04:46.43 | golly | Nurbs: that link is the output of fdupes. I need a script to act on that output |
| 04:46.46 | Kelsey23 | LOL PWNT |
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| 04:47.14 | weasel00 | ___ : watch out.. there weent another hacker |
| 04:47.44 | Kelsey23 | awwwwwwww |
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| 04:47.49 | Kelsey23 | koll2786 = cool |
| 04:48.00 | ___ | i use many killer programs |
| 04:48.04 | ___ | like WinNuke |
| 04:48.06 | ___ | ICQBomb |
| 04:48.09 | ___ | and IP exposer |
| 04:48.11 | fudje | Oooh, a script kiddie! |
| 04:48.14 | gravity | Wow... it's like 1998 |
| 04:48.15 | phogg | ___: oh, now I'm scared |
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| 04:48.19 | fudje | how 1337 |
| 04:48.21 | Gnea | ___: you are not a hacker, you are an idiot. |
| 04:48.24 | ___ | why? |
| 04:48.28 | ___ | those programs are hidden online |
| 04:48.31 | ___ | in many secret websites |
| 04:48.34 | ___ | not easy to research |
| 04:48.36 | Gnea | who told you that? |
| 04:48.39 | phogg | ___: I use Linux but that doesn't make me a kernel expert |
| 04:48.41 | Gnea | and you believed them? |
| 04:48.47 | weasel00 | ___ : if something is well known its not either lol |
| 04:48.48 | ___ | i already used them |
| 04:48.50 | fudje | ___: and I repeat, "Oooh, a script kiddie!" |
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| 04:48.57 | Gnea | ___: when? |
| 04:49.02 | ___ | recently |
| 04:49.07 | fudje | CAn we get rid of this guy already? |
| 04:49.09 | Gnea | amount of time? |
| 04:49.14 | ___ | Gnea, ? |
| 04:49.14 | gravity | fudje: /ignore |
| 04:49.21 | weasel00 | kinda entertaining fudje lol |
| 04:49.28 | Gnea | ___: how long ago, exactly? days? hours? months? |
| 04:49.37 | dominicano | !seen dvm1981 |
| 04:49.37 | dpkg | dvm1981 <n=david@d54C1038C.access.telenet.be> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 2d 7h 42m 54s ago, saying: 'Thanks guys, solved and done, it's workd :-)'. |
| 04:49.37 | ___ | Gnea, about several years ago |
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| 04:49.49 | ___ | it is harder to do now, because it is xp |
| 04:49.52 | Gnea | ___: i remember those scripts, too. |
| 04:49.54 | ___ | it is only used against 98 |
| 04:49.56 | gravity | He may not be the brightest of the bunch, but he's harmless. If Gnea would stop taking his bait things might work out |
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| 04:50.13 | Gnea | ___: only? 95 wasn't suseptible as well? |
| 04:50.21 | Gnea | i thought you were a hacker |
| 04:50.25 | Gnea | lol |
| 04:50.25 | ___ | Gnea, that was too ancient |
| 04:50.36 | ___ | only retired people use 95 and DOS |
| 04:50.41 | Gnea | ___: whatever, we're done here. |
| 04:50.42 | ___ | now, it isi the age of xp |
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| 04:51.39 | fudje | Meh. I should stop that. |
| 04:51.50 | Gnea | see, they go away on their own |
| 04:52.09 | Gnea | :) |
| 04:52.11 | fudje | Amusing, hey? |
| 04:52.16 | weasel00 | :) |
| 04:52.40 | weasel00 | ah ha! thats why i cant burn in the img.. damned burner has crapped out on me argh! |
| 04:52.51 | phogg | some hacker tool. Glorified ping flooding. |
| 04:53.01 | fudje | His firewall kinda sucked, too. |
| 04:53.16 | Gnea | he had a firewall? |
| 04:53.24 | fudje | Gnea: surprisingly enough, yes |
| 04:53.40 | weasel00 | fudje : did you catch the name of it? |
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| 04:53.50 | fudje | weasel00: I didn't look to hard. |
| 04:53.53 | fudje | s/to/too/ |
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| 04:54.29 | fudje | probably whatever comes with XP. XP has built in firewalling, right? |
| 04:54.53 | phogg | fudje: I wouldn't dignify it by calling it a firewall |
| 04:54.59 | weasel00 | fudje : yes it does.. that was what i curious about it |
| 04:55.08 | weasel00 | s/what/why |
| 04:55.42 | beered | what's the URL of apt 3rd party repo? |
| 04:55.54 | fudje | beered: Which one? |
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| 04:56.11 | phogg | beered: try apt-get.org |
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| 04:57.02 | beered | phogg: thanks. |
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| 04:57.50 | dydo | when creating a new CA Certification, its asking for PEM Pass Phrase... does it matter what goes here? |
| 04:58.29 | parsek_77_ | i just changed my interfaces file to have a static ip. i've got the static ip but i can not connect to the internet. i am usning a router |
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| 04:59.17 | mike4479 | Can anyone please tell me the command to install superkaramba with apt-get please? |
| 04:59.29 | nn- | parsek_77_: what kind of router are you using? |
| 04:59.44 | Gnea | mike4479: apt-get install superkaramba |
| 04:59.56 | parsek_77_ | nn-, i am connect through wired ethernet. |
| 05:00.07 | mike4479 | dose not work for some reason |
| 05:00.10 | beered | is it possible to apt-get firefox? |
| 05:00.13 | Gnea | why not? |
| 05:00.20 | beered | is it possible to apt-get firefox 1.5? |
| 05:00.31 | nn- | parsek_77_: and what kind of software is running on the router? |
| 05:00.34 | Gnea | beered: yes. |
| 05:00.50 | parsek_77_ | nn-, i don't know, how can i check |
| 05:00.52 | mike4479 | Gnea: uperkaramba is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 05:00.52 | mike4479 | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 05:01.02 | fudje | parsek_77_: Have you set up the route? |
| 05:01.04 | mike4479 | ? |
| 05:01.29 | parsek_77_ | fudje, everything was through dhcp, after the change i didn't do anything |
| 05:01.40 | Gnea | mike4479: when's the last time you ran apt-get update? |
| 05:01.49 | nn- | parsek_77_: you know that you cannot have a static inet ip behind a masquerading router? |
| 05:01.56 | mike4479 | a I just did |
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| 05:02.01 | fudje | parsek_77_: netstat -rn should tell you if you have the route set |
| 05:02.18 | Gnea | mike4479: what branch is that? |
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| 05:02.44 | parsek_77_ | fudje, route -n gives me wrong destination i think, destination addr should be my router's ip? |
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| 05:02.50 | mike4479 | Gnea: branch? |
| 05:02.54 | mike4479 | ah |
| 05:03.03 | Gnea | sarge, etc, sid |
| 05:03.06 | Gnea | *etch |
| 05:03.17 | fudje | parsek_77_: default route should be, yes. |
| 05:03.30 | mike4479 | sarge i am pretty sure |
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| 05:03.47 | parsek_77_ | fudje, how can i change it? |
| 05:04.01 | jaro | anyone here familiar with serial ports? I've device which has serial port on wich RedBoot environment should be accessible. However if i try to connect I only get garbage (cu -l /dev/ttyUSB0 -s 9600). Is there any way how one can determine speed & other stuff automatically? |
| 05:04.23 | mike4479 | I think I might have to change my mirror source but know idea how to |
| 05:04.38 | fudje | parsek_77_: route del default && route add default gw ${ROUTERS_IP} |
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| 05:05.05 | fudje | parsek_77_: additionally, your interfaces entry should have the line: gateway ${ROUTERS_IP} |
| 05:05.16 | mike4479 | Gnea:I also get error E: Package superkaramba has no installation candidate |
| 05:05.50 | weasel00 | jaro : make sure your cable is good and try lower rates.. like 2400 .. |
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| 05:06.20 | jaro | weasel00: I need to hit the rate exactly, don't I? |
| 05:06.21 | fudje | well, lamelamelame hasn't responded to being probed at all. |
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| 05:06.28 | Gnea | mike4479: what mirror are you using? |
| 05:06.32 | jaro | weasel00: cable should be okay. |
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| 05:07.26 | mike4479 | ah a canada one but not sure witch one can I find that out with a command |
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| 05:07.31 | weasel00 | jaro : not familiar with redboot but know that serial cables can be testy |
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| 05:07.58 | brianJP | hi, arround six or so this morning I was awekend by my hardisk churnig, curios I ran top to see what was goin on, and I saw that the user nobody was running find. is this normal? |
| 05:08.03 | tux | restart X |
| 05:08.11 | tux | restart X |
| 05:08.19 | fudje | brianJP: could have been building the locate database |
| 05:08.23 | jaro | weasel00: yes, they are :-{ |
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| 05:08.41 | brianJP | fudje, it uses find to do that? |
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| 05:09.06 | fudje | brianJP: as far as I'm aware. However mine does it as route apparently. |
| 05:09.10 | fudje | s/route/root/ |
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| 05:09.12 | A3K | hi guys |
| 05:09.15 | fudje | TOO MUCH ROUTER TALK! |
| 05:09.18 | Flimzy | hi A3K |
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| 05:09.22 | A3K | I have reinstalled on a new HD because the old one died |
| 05:09.37 | A3K | and I am having fits getting my wireless card working again |
| 05:09.39 | cleit0n | hi, help me, how i do "Play All" in DVDstyler or DVDauthor? in 20 Movies differents |
| 05:09.51 | beered | Where do I modify $PATH? |
| 05:09.59 | mike4479 | can anyone tell me please how to change my apt-get mirror? |
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| 05:10.03 | Flimzy | fudje: Routers are cool, tho |
| 05:10.11 | gravity | mike4479: man sources.list |
| 05:10.12 | Flimzy | beered: Usually in your shell |
| 05:10.16 | phogg | beered: usually your shell's rc file e.g. ~/.bashrc |
| 05:10.17 | fudje | Flimzy: yeah. But I have route on the mind. |
| 05:10.25 | brianJP | fudje, do you know where I would look to check for a cron job? I checked in /var/spool/cron/crontabs and there is nothing there... |
| 05:10.26 | beered | phogg: thanks again :) |
| 05:10.27 | Flimzy | fudje: ? |
| 05:10.29 | MrNaz | is there a debian package for postgres8.1 ? |
| 05:10.39 | A3K | it requires the kernel source for me to build the kernel module so I apt-get install kernel-source-3.6.8 and it is not in the dir that it is supposed to be in |
| 05:10.44 | fudje | brianJP: /etc/cron.* |
| 05:10.44 | mike4479 | Gravity: ok thank |
| 05:10.52 | brianJP | fudje, oh... |
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| 05:11.04 | MrNaz | better yet... how do i get a list of packages available? apt-cache search only seems to list those in sarge, but what if i want to take an etch package and use it in my sarge installation ? |
| 05:11.21 | fudje | brianJP: You'll be looking for /etc/cron.daily/find, I believe :) |
| 05:11.33 | Flimzy | MrNaz: packages.debian.org |
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| 05:11.40 | parsek_77_ | fudje, route del default is not working |
| 05:11.41 | A3K | I tried moving the source into that directory and it is not working |
| 05:11.48 | brianJP | fudje, yep that'd be the one ! :) |
| 05:11.48 | Gnea | mike4479: cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:12.10 | MrNaz | Flimzy ta |
| 05:12.13 | fudje | parsek_77_: o_O. What does it say? |
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| 05:12.33 | Kelsey23 | DCC SEND "string" 0 0 0 |
| 05:12.36 | brianJP | fudje, ok i feel silly, but at least i can sleep knowing my machine is not hacked... |
| 05:12.36 | Kelsey23 | shit |
| 05:12.37 | mike4479 | Gnea: ok thanks let me try that |
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| 05:12.46 | Kelsey23 | wrong channel |
| 05:12.49 | Kelsey23 | shitttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt |
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| 05:12.56 | fudje | Kelsey23: Hmm? |
| 05:13.01 | Kelsey23 | sorry |
| 05:13.02 | parsek_77_ | fudje, siocdelrt: no such process |
| 05:13.02 | Gnea | Kelsey23: heh, PWNT you are |
| 05:13.03 | Kelsey23 | SORRY |
| 05:13.03 | A3K | I type ls /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/include/linux/version.h and it is not there |
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| 05:13.16 | fudje | parsek_77_: ah. That means you *have* no default route |
| 05:13.19 | A3K | what do I need to do to get it there? |
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| 05:13.25 | mike4479 | Gnea: http://mirror.direct.ca/linux/debian/ stable main |
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| 05:13.35 | fudje | JJRocks.info is currently playing an awesome song. "Barney's on Fire" |
| 05:13.42 | Gnea | !ops [12:06AM] <Kelsey23> DCC SEND "string" 0 0 0 [12:06AM] <Kelsey23> shit [12:07AM] <Kelsey23> wrong channel |
| 05:13.42 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: [12:06AM] <Kelsey23> DCC SEND "string" 0 0 0 [12:06AM] <Kelsey23> shit [12:07AM] <Kelsey23> wrong channel |
| 05:13.51 | parsek_77_ | fudje, i added my default route, now i have two lines when i do route -n |
| 05:13.52 | fudje | Oh boy, Barney's on Fire! This is our secret desire. |
| 05:13.58 | Gnea | fudje: ahhahaha |
| 05:13.59 | cleit0n | hi, help me, how i do "Play All" in DVDstyler or DVDauthor? in 20 Movies differents? |
| 05:14.01 | parsek_77_ | but still not working |
| 05:14.01 | tux | fudje: my compose key still not working (= |
| 05:14.16 | fudje | tux: Still CustomKeycode dsiabled? |
| 05:14.23 | fudje | s/dsi/dis/ |
| 05:14.32 | tux | fudje: yes, I saw the log |
| 05:14.38 | A3K | any ideas? |
| 05:14.45 | A3K | blasted acx100 |
| 05:15.22 | fudje | what does DCC "string" do? |
| 05:15.36 | Gnea | mike4479: try this one: http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ |
| 05:15.43 | tux | (**) Option "CustomKeycodes" "off" |
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| 05:15.51 | tux | what does this line mean |
| 05:15.57 | lightcap | is it normal for df -h to show only the tmpfs partition mounted under user mode linux? |
| 05:16.04 | mike4479 | Gnea: ok thanks I will try now |
| 05:16.06 | fudje | tux: it means you're disabling CustomKeycodes.... |
| 05:16.08 | liable | fudje: its a linksys router exploit, kicks people |
| 05:16.37 | fudje | tux: Strangely enough, I have that line in the log too, but it still works.... |
| 05:16.43 | fudje | liable: I see. |
| 05:16.47 | Evil_Pink_Robot | hi guys, i have a question on autoconf, when i run it to generate a configure script, does it automatically set it so that the make install directory would be /usr/bin |
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| 05:17.00 | Kupal[]_ | What could i do if i were in this long situation: |
| 05:17.01 | Kupal[]_ | http://pastebin.com/588340 |
| 05:17.01 | fudje | Evil_Pink_Robot: no. |
| 05:17.09 | fudje | Evil_Pink_Robot: the default is normally /usr/local |
| 05:17.12 | Gnea | Evil_Pink_Robot: you need to explicitly tell it to with --prefix= |
| 05:17.12 | parsek_77_ | fudje, how can i delete everything in route table? |
| 05:17.14 | Evil_Pink_Robot | fudje: is there a way i can find out where it'll install it? |
| 05:17.29 | Evil_Pink_Robot | Gnea: aah, okay |
| 05:17.34 | Gnea | Evil_Pink_Robot: he just told you |
| 05:17.38 | fudje | Evil_Pink_Robot: the installion location is changed when you run the configure script, with the --prefix switfch |
| 05:17.52 | fudje | parsek_77_: bit by bit |
| 05:18.01 | Kupal[]_ | I got a routing/channel bonding/vpn situation anyone offer advice? |
| 05:18.01 | Kupal[]_ | http://pastebin.com/588340 |
| 05:18.05 | Evil_Pink_Robot | fudje: do i need to run the configure script at all? I generated a Makefile.in |
| 05:18.11 | tux | fudje: thank you. |
| 05:18.15 | parsek_77_ | fudje, internet is not working |
| 05:18.21 | fudje | Evil_Pink_Robot: You need to turn Makefile.in into a Makefile |
| 05:18.33 | Evil_Pink_Robot | fudje: and that is what the configure script does yes? |
| 05:18.45 | liable | parsek_77_: man route.. route del .. |
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| 05:19.03 | fudje | Evil_Pink_Robot: yes. With Options^{TM} |
| 05:19.05 | mike4479 | Gnea: well so far it is updating a lot of source packages |
| 05:19.09 | Gnea | parsek_77_: iproute (the ip command) will do it |
| 05:19.14 | Evil_Pink_Robot | fudje, Gnea: thanks for your help |
| 05:19.16 | Gnea | mike4479: good |
| 05:19.30 | Gnea | Evil_Pink_Robot: anytime |
| 05:19.47 | mike4479 | Gnea I am still getting Package superkaramba is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 05:19.47 | mike4479 | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 05:19.48 | mike4479 | is only available from another source |
| 05:19.48 | mike4479 | E: Package superkaramba has no installation candidate |
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| 05:20.05 | fudje | tux: But it still isn't working? |
| 05:20.08 | weasel00 | anyone ever try to start a deb install off a pcmcia hd? |
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| 05:20.15 | mike4479 | woops sorry |
| 05:20.23 | tux | fudje: yes. really strange |
| 05:20.35 | fudje | tux: is the log actually reporting an error? |
| 05:20.40 | Gnea | !info superkaramba sarge |
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| 05:20.56 | tux | fudje: no error |
| 05:21.05 | VulpesFoxnik | What sort of SSH client supports Rsych on linux? |
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| 05:21.20 | Gnea | VulpesFoxnik: the standard one |
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| 05:21.24 | fudje | tux: you haven't done anything silly like try to set your PC to use a macintosh keymap? |
| 05:21.35 | tux | fudje: no |
| 05:21.36 | Kupal[]_ | anyone name a cd bootable that can bond ethernet cards and something that can route fairly well? |
| 05:21.37 | mike4479 | Gnea: !info: event not found |
| 05:21.42 | VulpesFoxnik | Gnea: So what's it called? |
| 05:21.49 | parsek_77_ | Gnea, ip route gives this 192.168.2.0/24 dev eth0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.2.11 192.168.2.0 is not my router,my router is 192.168.2.1, |
| 05:21.49 | Gnea | VulpesFoxnik: openssh |
| 05:21.54 | Gnea | !info superkaramba |
| 05:21.55 | VulpesFoxnik | Gnea: Thankyou |
| 05:22.00 | dpkg | superkaramba: (a program based on karamba improving the eyecandy of KDE), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 515 kB, Installed size: 1153 kB |
| 05:22.00 | jaro | weasel00: ok, i've guessed the correct speed ;-) |
| 05:22.20 | Kupal[]_ | any commercial routers run linux? |
| 05:22.21 | Gnea | mike4479: ah, that explains it, it's not in sarge |
| 05:22.22 | fudje | tux, what does xev say when you press the compose key? |
| 05:22.26 | mike4479 | Gnea: same thing !info superkaramba |
| 05:22.28 | weasel00 | jaro : woot.. curious though.. what speed? |
| 05:22.29 | tux | 116 |
| 05:22.47 | mike4479 | Gnea: ok where woould I find it |
| 05:22.49 | fudje | tux: Well, that's correct. |
| 05:22.58 | tux | keycode 116 (keysym 0xffec, Super_R), same_screen YES, |
| 05:22.59 | Gnea | !backports |
| 05:22.59 | dpkg | i guess backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 05:23.00 | fudje | keysym is Multi_key? |
| 05:23.05 | Gnea | mike4479: check for a backport |
| 05:23.11 | mike4479 | ok one sec |
| 05:23.32 | parsek_77_ | Gnea, do u have any idea? |
| 05:23.40 | mike4479 | Gnea: how do I do that please |
| 05:23.42 | tux | fudje: Super_R |
| 05:23.50 | Gnea | parsek_77_: man ip |
| 05:24.07 | Gnea | mike4479: do you know how to use a web browser? |
| 05:24.12 | fudje | tux: Interesting. Try this: 'xmodmap -e "keycode 116 = Multi_key"' |
| 05:24.14 | mike4479 | yes lol |
| 05:24.29 | Gnea | so check out the URLs :) |
| 05:24.54 | tux | fudje: now, itskeycode 116 (keysym 0xff20, Multi_key), |
| 05:25.04 | fudje | tux: Does compsoe key work? |
| 05:25.07 | mike4479 | Gnea: ok then add them to my source.list right? |
| 05:25.20 | tux | fudje: still not. :-( |
| 05:25.31 | fudje | tux: Okay, now that's *really* weird. |
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| 05:25.39 | Gnea | mike4479: no, visit them |
| 05:25.42 | tux | fudje: thank you.! |
| 05:26.09 | mike4479 | Gnea: ok thanks I think I get ya |
| 05:26.13 | fudje | tux: what for? I haven't actually helped you out.... |
| 05:26.32 | parsek_77_ | Gnea, 192.168.2.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 ....... eth0 this is from route -n, i can not delte this |
| 05:26.36 | tux | fudje: still kind of you to help me |
| 05:26.47 | fudje | tux: I assume you're trying to use the right windows key as compose? |
| 05:27.02 | fudje | parsek_77_: that becasue the interface needs it |
| 05:27.05 | tux | yes |
| 05:27.08 | Gnea | parsek_77_: use ip, not route - route has limited use in linux |
| 05:27.09 | Evil_Pink_Robot | Gnea, fudje: would this command work for configuring sources to build a .deb package: ./configure --prefix=/usr --mandir=\$${prefix}/share/man --infodir=\$${prefix}/share/info |
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| 05:27.32 | mike4479 | Gnea: oh http://backports.org/ ok sorry about that I am new to Linux debian |
| 05:27.33 | fudje | tux: And this is normally mapped as the Super key? |
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| 05:27.52 | parsek_77_ | fudje, even i add my router as a gateway it's not working... what is 192.168.2.0 destination? |
| 05:28.01 | tux | fudje: yes. you have seen before I invoked the xmodmap command. |
| 05:28.12 | Evil_Pink_Robot | Gnea, fudje: i can see that prefix in Makefile gets changed to /usr, but mandir, and infodir variables are messed up as $/share/man, and $share/info instead of $prefix/share/* |
| 05:28.13 | fudje | parsek_77_: That's your local network, a class C. You're on a class C network, right? |
| 05:28.39 | fudje | tux: hoe does your XkbOptions line read? |
| 05:28.44 | fudje | s/hoe/how/ |
| 05:29.14 | parsek_77_ | fudje, yes if it starts with 192.168. |
| 05:29.21 | Gnea | Evil_Pink_Robot: it's probably another variable then |
| 05:29.34 | fudje | parsek_77_: Is your router on a 192.168.2 address? |
| 05:29.37 | Evil_Pink_Robot | yeah, i suppose, i'm not very familiar with bash scripting |
| 05:29.56 | parsek_77_ | fudje, yes 192.168.2.1 |
| 05:30.02 | mike4479 | Crap superkaramba no where to be found in back ports |
| 05:30.06 | fudje | parsek_77_: can you ping it? |
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| 05:30.53 | tux | fudje: http://learn.tsinghua.edu.cn:8080/2005210343/xorg.conf |
| 05:30.55 | parsek_77_ | fudje, yes |
| 05:31.32 | parsek_77_ | fudje, if i ip route add 192.168.2.1 it says no such device |
| 05:31.55 | fudje | parsek_77_: what does route add default gw 192.168.2.1 say? |
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| 05:32.39 | parsek_77_ | ok it worked |
| 05:33.25 | ice_1963 | what is up with etch you can install gnome-core then can't damn it |
| 05:33.32 | parsek_77_ | fudje, thanks, the order in the route -n is important |
| 05:33.50 | Gnea | ice_1963: it's testing, it's randomly broken |
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| 05:34.17 | fudje | parsek_77_: not when you have a local network route and default route only.... |
| 05:34.34 | ice_1963 | i guess it's sid now |
| 05:34.48 | fudje | the 'ip route' command should have been more along the lines of 'ip route add default 192.168.2.1' anyway |
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| 05:36.01 | parsek_77_ | fudje, does it matter that my static ip is in the list of dhcp ip address in the router? |
| 05:36.17 | _chou-cho | whats the comparble file name under debian to /etc/rc.conf ? |
| 05:36.23 | tux | fudje: http://learn.tsinghua.edu.cn:8080/2005210343/xorg.conf |
| 05:37.08 | fudje | tux: I can't see any reason why that wouldn't work! |
| 05:37.32 | tux | fudje: thank you anyway. |
| 05:38.38 | fudje | tux: Should at least set up keysyms properly. Do you use GDM? |
| 05:38.54 | tux | fudje: I user startx |
| 05:38.58 | tux | s/user/use |
| 05:39.13 | fudje | tux: Nevermind, realised you must have restarted the X server anyway. |
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| 05:39.33 | tux | fudje: I restared it, but still not working |
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| 05:39.47 | fudje | tux: It confounds me that it doesn't. |
| 05:39.59 | fudje | Deos it work in non-gnome apps? |
| 05:40.12 | fudje | s/Deos/Does/ |
| 05:40.21 | tux | fudje: no e' |
| 05:41.06 | fudje | tux. Interesting. Okay, do you have gconf-editor? |
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| 05:41.49 | tux | fudje: then? |
| 05:41.55 | SLASHBLUE | hey all |
| 05:42.14 | brojnev | hi there ! |
| 05:42.21 | ice_1963 | what do i need to install to get my printer to work with lynx pl :0) |
| 05:42.21 | fudje | tux: what does the line 'gconftool-2 --get /desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard/xkb/options' |
| 05:42.22 | SLASHBLUE | how come debian now breaks everytime you do apt-upgrade? |
| 05:42.53 | tux | fudje: [] |
| 05:43.14 | ice_1963 | lol |
| 05:43.14 | Flimzy | SLASHBLUE: It doesn't |
| 05:43.28 | fudje | tux: also, 'gconftool-2 --get /desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard/xkb/overrideSettings' |
| 05:43.48 | tux | fudje: false |
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| 05:44.45 | jeeves_ | all: can any one here help me with a NVIDA res issue? |
| 05:44.53 | SLASHBLUE | I started w/debian potato,then woody, now sarge f**king broke all my shit |
| 05:44.54 | fudje | tux: Okay. I don't even know if those work still. |
| 05:45.02 | fudje | tux: Do you have gconftool-2? |
| 05:45.11 | fudje | tux: gconf-editor, even. |
| 05:45.16 | tux | yes |
| 05:45.22 | Gnea | SLASHBLUE: do you have the aptitude command? |
| 05:45.39 | brojnev | Ok : I need a chroot stable environment on sid. I have done : debootstrap woody /var/chroot-stable http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ |
| 05:45.44 | brojnev | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:46.04 | ftp3 | how do I know what my subnet is? |
| 05:46.17 | jeeves_ | ftp3: what info would you like to know? |
| 05:46.21 | brojnev | after googling, i still do not have any answer - do u have any suggestions ? |
| 05:46.27 | Flimzy | SLASHBLUE: I started with bo... or hamm.... whichever came first |
| 05:46.44 | tux | fudje: yes. |
| 05:46.54 | brojnev | ftp3: ifconfig ? |
| 05:47.08 | ftp3 | brojnev, yes, which # is my subnet? |
| 05:47.29 | fudje | tux: Okay, can you browse to that key? |
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| 05:47.45 | brojnev | as root type ifconfig |
| 05:47.56 | ftp3 | yes, i see the ips |
| 05:48.16 | brojnev | my 2nd line looks like : inet adr:192.168.0.4 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Masque:255.255.255.0 |
| 05:48.16 | tux | fudje: Iｃï½ï½Ž |
| 05:48.22 | brojnev | what is yours ? |
| 05:48.30 | jeeves_ | fudje: are you any good with dealing with NVIDA drivers? |
| 05:48.34 | fudje | tux: edit the key |
| 05:48.37 | ftp3 | inet addr:192.168.2.6 Bcast:192.168.2.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 |
| 05:48.38 | fudje | jeeves_: no |
| 05:48.54 | SLASHBLUE | hey flimzy , Im ready to move on to BSD |
| 05:49.08 | fudje | tux: It should be a list. of string type |
| 05:49.13 | SLASHBLUE | its kind of like i like debian but hate that its breaking allover |
| 05:49.19 | jeeves_ | fudje: ok, thnaks. |
| 05:49.27 | brojnev | Bcast:192.168.2.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 = means your subnet is 192.168.2.0 do u want know how to get it ? |
| 05:49.28 | Flimzy | SLASHBLUE: Have fun. |
| 05:49.38 | tux | fudje:then ? |
| 05:49.50 | Flimzy | SLASHBLUE: Debian to BSD is kind of a strange jump, tho... but if you like it, more power to ya. |
| 05:49.53 | SLASHBLUE | whats your stable distro? |
| 05:50.10 | SLASHBLUE | im so used to the freaking easy apt-get update...... |
| 05:50.34 | ftp3 | brojnev, no, i had it right.. just trying to troubleshoot soem stuff.. thanks |
| 05:50.49 | fudje | tux: Add the value 'compose[tab]compose:rwin' obviously replacing [tab] with a tab. somehow. |
| 05:50.53 | brojnev | ftp3 : welcome |
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| 05:50.58 | SLASHBLUE | like a f**king drug. easy unix admin now im stuck with a few 100 broken servers |
| 05:51.42 | brojnev | i need help for establish a chroot debian stable environnement with debootstrap, get an error i cannot resolve... |
| 05:51.50 | fudje | Hmm. My BitchX ignore scripts aren't installed on this computer. |
| 05:52.00 | tux | fudje: still not working |
| 05:52.21 | Flimzy | SLASHBLUE: You have 100 servers, and you didn't do a sandbox upgrade first? |
| 05:52.25 | fudje | tux: You may have to restart gnome-settings-daemon |
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| 05:53.01 | SLASHBLUE | only a few upgrades but they broke. Dont want to upgrade the others but need to install rails... |
| 05:53.15 | fudje | SLASHBLUE: what exactly was the problem? |
| 05:53.23 | tux | fudje: not working |
| 05:53.29 | tux | fudje: i'll give up |
| 05:53.34 | CraZy675 | real easy question for you: How to I set my static IP and gateway through command line (the GUI isn't working) |
| 05:53.37 | fudje | tux: It was kinda last-dtich anyway. |
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| 05:53.49 | fudje | tux: the xorg.conf method really should have worked. |
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| 05:54.00 | fudje | tux: do you have an alternate WM you can log in to? |
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| 05:54.13 | Flimzy | CraZy675: NET-3-HOWTO is a good place to start. man ifconfig, man route |
| 05:54.15 | brojnev | CraZy675 : edit with vi /etc/resolv.conf and add stuff |
| 05:54.38 | tux | fudje: i'll try another wm later. possibly it's a prolebm of gnome. |
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| 05:54.59 | dijz | i read "SendError: 5 code=404 (Not Found)" in /var/log/cups/error_log, i cannot print anything, how fix it? |
| 05:55.07 | fudje | tux: The recent downgrades to GNOME's xkb use actually really sh*t me off. |
| 05:55.49 | fudje | Having said which, I can now see the options in the keyboard preferences after the most recent upgrade. |
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| 05:56.09 | brojnev | i get dpkg: can't mmap package info file `/var/lib/dpkg/available': Invalid argument tryin' to make a debian stable chroot environnement, any suggestions ? |
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| 05:57.32 | brojnev | CraZy675 : man resolv.conf permits u to configure staticly & permanently your address and domain.... |
| 05:58.13 | CraZy675 | brojnev: ok |
| 05:58.44 | fudje | tux: what version of gnome-control-center are you using? |
| 05:58.46 | tux | fudje: I find someone has the same problem under gnome. |
| 05:59.15 | tux | fudje: how to know the version number? |
| 05:59.25 | CraZy675 | ok I just want to add the IP address and the Gateway address |
| 05:59.25 | fudje | tux: apt-cache policy gnome-control-center will tell you :) |
| 05:59.37 | brojnev | CraZy675 : but you still have to edit the file from a shell and then do a "/etc/init.d/networking restart" i think |
| 05:59.42 | tux | fudje: 1:2.10.2-1 |
| 06:00.08 | CraZy675 | oh ok |
| 06:00.10 | CraZy675 | got it |
| 06:00.12 | CraZy675 | thanks |
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| 06:00.45 | fudje | tux: And layout options aren't in the keybaord preferences? |
| 06:01.13 | tux | fudje:my layout is dvorak |
| 06:01.33 | brojnev | CraZy675 : i badunderstood your question actually :-| |
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| 06:01.47 | fudje | tux: Layout Options, not Layout |
| 06:02.00 | Flimzy | Anyone have any experience with Linux on an Axim? |
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| 06:02.05 | Flimzy | does it work very well by now? |
| 06:02.40 | tux | fudje: I enabled compose key in keyboard properties, still not working. |
| 06:02.41 | brojnev | CraZy675 the answer is in /etc/network/interfaces (type "man interface") |
| 06:02.50 | tux | fudje: but last winter it works. |
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| 06:03.12 | tux | fudje: maybe I wait for gnome to update |
| 06:03.26 | brojnev | need help on a debootstrap error please |
| 06:03.28 | tux | I have to go. Thankyou fudje, have a nice day. :-) |
| 06:03.30 | fudje | tux: Bizarre. |
| 06:03.37 | fudje | tux: later |
| 06:03.40 | usetheforceluke | I have two usb storage devs, an ipod and a camera. ipod seems stable as /dev/sda2, but the camera jumps around between /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1. Is there a way to pin it, or at least help mount find it easier? |
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| 06:03.43 | tux | wave |
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| 06:04.27 | fudje | usetheforceluke: What kernel are you using? |
| 06:04.44 | fudje | usetheforceluke: Also, do you have udev and hal? |
| 06:04.49 | usetheforceluke | fudje: 2.6.15-1-k7 #2 |
| 06:04.50 | james___ | I have a bit of a problem, whenever I try to 'make' my ipw2200 driver I just get a ton of the following error: "error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type"... Any idea why? I'm running 2.6.8-2-686 and it's driver verion 1.1.0. |
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| 06:04.58 | fudje | usetheforceluke: Excellent. |
| 06:05.33 | usetheforceluke | fudje: neither are installed. |
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| 06:06.03 | fudje | usetheforceluke: You have kernel 2.6.15 but not udev or hal?! How silly! |
| 06:06.28 | fudje | usetheforceluke: do you at least have sysfs? |
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| 06:06.42 | usetheforceluke | fudje: if it is silly, how come debian didn't install them for me? |
| 06:06.51 | Azar | hahahahaha |
| 06:06.58 | fudje | usetheforceluke: what version of debian do you have isntalled? |
| 06:07.06 | Azar | usetheforceluke: open your mouth, hoping someone will feed you |
| 06:07.08 | usetheforceluke | sarge + backports |
| 06:07.22 | brojnev | :-D |
| 06:07.37 | usetheforceluke | installing ... |
| 06:07.55 | fudje | usetheforceluke: I see. If there's a backport avaible of udev 0.086-1, install that. |
| 06:08.01 | fudje | usetheforceluke: I see. If there's a backport available of udev 0.086-1, install that. |
| 06:08.12 | lightcap | can anyone tell me why x-terminal-emulator would fail upon starting up a uml guest? |
| 06:08.24 | fudje | lightcap: "fail"? |
| 06:08.33 | lightcap | yeah here's the error message: |
| 06:08.37 | lightcap | execvp of 'x-terminal-emulator' failed - errno = 2 |
| 06:08.37 | lightcap | xterm_open : run_helper failed, errno = 2 |
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| 06:09.36 | fudje | lightcap: You're trying to run the uml guest directly as the shell of x-terminal-emulator, no? |
| 06:09.55 | Kupal[]_ | Anyone recommend a cd-bootable distro with channel bonding atleast? |
| 06:10.02 | anton | can anyone tell me ow to fix this problem client-error-not-possible my printer wont print :( |
| 06:10.02 | lightcap | fudje: yeah |
| 06:10.14 | lightcap | fudje: I will use screen eventually |
| 06:10.18 | fudje | lightcap: does it normally exit with an error? |
| 06:10.33 | lightcap | fudje: what's "it'? |
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| 06:10.41 | brojnev | get error "dpkg: can't mmap package info file `/var/lib/dpkg/available': Invalid argument" with debootstrap ??? |
| 06:10.57 | fudje | lightcap: the uml guest? |
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| 06:11.18 | lightcap | fudje: there is no "normally", I'm struggling to get it set up for the first time... |
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| 06:11.39 | ircdevil | ta |
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| 06:12.45 | fudje | lightcap: try just running it in a terminal. |
| 06:13.15 | lightcap | fudje: I thought I was...I'm just ssh'ed into the box... |
| 06:13.40 | fudje | lightcap: how, exactly, do you run it? |
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| 06:14.17 | usetheforceluke | fudje: when I try to install the backport version of udev, it tries to remove my linux-kernel. seems bad. |
| 06:14.22 | lightcap | fudje: after sshing to the host box, su'ing to the uml user, I run: |
| 06:14.29 | fudje | usetheforceluke: that's odd. |
| 06:14.46 | Azar | anton, the only thing I know, is if you use a "win" chipless computer type, it might not work |
| 06:14.47 | fudje | usetheforceluke: what version of udev? |
| 06:14.53 | lightcap | linux ubd0=Debian-3.0r0.ext2 eth0=tuntap,tap1 |
| 06:15.16 | liable | usetheforceluke: why are you installing a backport of udev? |
| 06:15.23 | Azar | anton * errr I ment printer type |
| 06:15.31 | usetheforceluke | 0.084-4bpo1 |
| 06:15.36 | usetheforceluke | liable: i am crazy |
| 06:15.42 | fudje | lightcap: and then what happens |
| 06:15.42 | liable | indeed |
| 06:15.49 | Azar | liable: he wants to use the force |
| 06:15.57 | lightcap | boots up, and hangs on those errors I posted. |
| 06:15.58 | fudje | lightcap: because the one that comes with sarge is too old for kernel 2.6.15.1 |
| 06:16.04 | liable | udev is the dark side! |
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| 06:16.13 | fudje | lightcap: what's wrong with udev? |
| 06:16.17 | lightcap | fudje: what do you mean? |
| 06:16.19 | Azar | fudje: try "stable" instead of "old" |
| 06:16.43 | fudje | lightcap: Responding to your question of usetheforceluke |
| 06:17.02 | fudje | Azar: the version in unstable is quite stable enough. |
| 06:17.04 | lightcap | that was liable :) |
| 06:17.13 | liable | err.. that was me, and for some light reading, read the bts for udev :) |
| 06:17.16 | fudje | lightcap: ah. |
| 06:17.19 | Azar | lightcap: you have to learn Debian: it has three versions: stable, testing and unstable. Sarge is the stable one and it has its own, STABLE kernels and packages, once you fly to a higher kernel.. is not sarge anymore |
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| 06:17.41 | Azar | fudje, it might be stable for you, not for newbies |
| 06:17.47 | usetheforceluke | I guess this is the good and bad of linux: there are so many options that asking for help often kicks off a flame war about which way to go. The same thing happend with my printer. |
| 06:17.51 | lightcap | Azar: I know that...but what does that have to do with this problem? |
| 06:18.01 | fudje | liable: I see. |
| 06:18.06 | lightcap | Azar: I'm using the stable 2.6.8 kernel with the ska patch |
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| 06:18.32 | fudje | liable: I assume you refer to the policy violations? |
| 06:18.40 | Azar | lightcap: I have no idea what a ska patch is, I am using same with no need for patches |
| 06:18.40 | usetheforceluke | ok, lets get back to the original point. |
| 06:18.51 | lightcap | trying to run a uml guest 2.4.x kernel (though I'd frankly rather it be 2.6.x too) |
| 06:18.52 | james___ | Anyone had any experience building ipw2200 wireless drivers? |
| 06:19.10 | lightcap | Azar: you're running UML with no patches? |
| 06:19.29 | Azar | lightcap, forgive my ignorance: what is uml? |
| 06:19.30 | fudje | lightcap: It's quite possible |
| 06:19.36 | fudje | Azar: user-mode-linux |
| 06:19.46 | SimonRaven | flame war? |
| 06:19.48 | lightcap | fudje: yeah, but its a peformance hit. |
| 06:19.52 | SimonRaven | *shrug* |
| 06:19.56 | lightcap | and it has nothing to do with this problem. |
| 06:20.10 | Azar | fudje: thank you for the explanation, yes if I run uml I assume I run it with no patches |
| 06:20.36 | usetheforceluke | I am trying to make it so that I can say ``mount /mnt/camera'' and it will work every time. Currently my debian system cannot decide if it wants to use /dev/sda1 or /dev/sdb1 for this device and that makes it hard to write an /etc/fstab file. Is there a way to pin it down, or make it clear to mount that it might move? |
| 06:20.39 | liable | fudje: no, just the general borkage, although it has been fairly good lately, sec i will get the most interesting report to read. |
| 06:20.42 | lightcap | Azar: "if I run it"? |
| 06:20.42 | fudje | usetheforceluke: Okay, forget the udev idea. I can't help you. |
| 06:20.51 | golly | anyone guide me (a noobie) on creating a script to parse data like this .... www. pastebin.com/588286 , then delete all but 1 of all duplicate files listed that data? |
| 06:21.13 | liable | fudje: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=317332 |
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| 06:21.31 | Flimzy | golly: did you look at sorrt? |
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| 06:21.36 | Flimzy | golly: make that sort |
| 06:21.40 | yos87 | hi |
| 06:21.46 | Azar | lightcap: I run Debian Sarge GNU/Linux 3.1 with a 2.6.8 kernel, no gnome or kde, just openbox. Now I have no idea about this uml thing but my system works with no blinks |
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| 06:22.30 | lightcap | Azar: so does mine...but the uml guest is having the problem...I have no issues with running a vanilla sarge... |
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| 06:22.54 | Azar | lightcap: ah, so I guess I am ok... I like simplicity |
| 06:22.55 | fudje | liable: interesting. I never noticed because I've always used custom built kernels... |
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| 06:23.27 | liable | fudje: its an old one, and *still* causes problems |
| 06:24.00 | Azar | if I would not have a job, I would love to start experimenting with more complex issues, as I have a spare good box , alas no time |
| 06:24.28 | fudje | liable: looks to me like udev packages should be versioned.... |
| 06:25.28 | dijz | I read "SendError: 5 code=404 (Not Found)" in /var/log/cups/error_log, I cannot print anything, how fix it? |
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| 06:25.42 | fudje | liable: that one claims to be resolved, though.... |
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| 06:26.53 | liable | fudje: i have given up following it, but we still get people in here with the udev-2.6.12 dependancy loop |
| 06:26.55 | fudje | liable: in a stupid manner. I never liked the idea of "RESOLVED(works for me) |
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| 06:28.52 | fudje | it indicates a lack of quality assurance. |
| 06:29.15 | fudje | Any which way, udev is the only way of consistently naming block devices that I can think of.... |
| 06:29.37 | quw | Hi, is there a X-window client available for windows? i would like to connect to my linux machine |
| 06:30.14 | fudje | quw: Heck out cygwin |
| 06:30.20 | fudje | Check out, even |
| 06:30.40 | fudje | There's also commercially available stuff liek WinaXe |
| 06:31.09 | yos87 | Can I manage Dns graphiclly? |
| 06:31.39 | jm_ | quw: also /msg dpkg xlivecd |
| 06:31.53 | Azar | I was reading yesterday online an article about the 64bit architecture.... it suggested that even hardware might be ready, there software side aren't ready yet, so man am I glad I did not jump on it yet |
| 06:32.21 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:32.46 | fudje | Azar: Piffle. There's plenty of 64-bit softwqare around, just none for windows. |
| 06:33.14 | Azar | hi jm_, check this out: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=13881 |
| 06:33.22 | fudje | Azar: Anyway, user mode linux is linux-on-linux. |
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| 06:33.44 | Azar | fudje, I am sorry I really do not understand what is the fuss with this uml |
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| 06:34.05 | Kupal[]_ | So anyone know if I can have sub-interface binding? |
| 06:34.07 | quw | fudje: thanks a lot, that what i was searching |
| 06:34.10 | Kupal[]_ | with a 2.6 kernel? |
| 06:34.11 | Azar | .... you mean dual boot? |
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| 06:34.27 | Kupal[]_ | ie eth0:1 bounded to eth1:1 |
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| 06:34.48 | tobehz | what would be the point |
| 06:34.50 | fudje | Azar: It's good for hosting centres, et cetera. That way, a client can have their own playground, and if they hoses their linux setup |
| 06:34.51 | yos87 | !manage dns graphically |
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| 06:35.06 | fudje | Azar: Everyone else is still happy. And you don't need lots of harware to do it. |
| 06:35.15 | fudje | Kupal[]_: Do you mean bridging? |
| 06:35.16 | Azar | fudje, ahhhh for servers.. I see .. thanks |
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| 06:35.54 | fudje | Kupal[]_: or bonding aliases? |
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| 06:36.52 | usetheforceluke | ok, well thanks for the suggestions. |
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| 06:37.51 | Kupal[]_ | Bridging is different i think. |
| 06:38.13 | Flimzy | Kupal[]_, what are you trying to do? |
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| 06:38.33 | quw | is there some DJ on linux here?:] i would like to get a program to create techno music, like reason, fruityloops and so on |
| 06:38.35 | Kupal[]_ | My situation is I have a ded t1, and a internet connection. Be nice to load balance the ded t1 (inside traffic really) and internet conn which would be 1/2 internet traffic in all reality. |
| 06:38.46 | theycallmebruce | hey all |
| 06:39.03 | theycallmebruce | has anybody used the RAID10 driver in the newer 2.6 kernels? |
| 06:39.12 | Kupal[]_ | So basically if i could treat eth0 as outside, and eth0:1 as inside, and bind them. I could get some pretty big fat 2100 mile pipe to my other lan. |
| 06:39.14 | theycallmebruce | the documentation says it is "experimental" |
| 06:39.29 | Kupal[]_ | bind eth0:1 and eth1 i mean |
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| 06:39.50 | fudje | Kupal[]_: It should do that anyway.... |
| 06:39.53 | Kupal[]_ | Im looking for something that does this. Yeah right, if they did it would be just weird that someone else did it. |
| 06:39.54 | Flimzy | Kupal[]_, So you have 2 Internet connections? |
| 06:40.01 | Kupal[]_ | I have a ded t1 to another lan |
| 06:40.03 | Kupal[]_ | its far away |
| 06:40.16 | Flimzy | Kupal[]_: so the T1 goes to another LAN, and there's an Internet connection there? |
| 06:40.22 | Kupal[]_ | and i have another t1 that is using a pix btw, it has a vpn connection going to my other location |
| 06:40.27 | Kupal[]_ | yep |
| 06:40.28 | Flimzy | Kupal[]_: So you want to take advantage of both Internet connections for maximum throughput? |
| 06:40.29 | Kupal[]_ | I have a pic |
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| 06:40.37 | Flimzy | Kupal[]_: How fast is your Internet connection? |
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| 06:40.59 | Kupal[]_ | I want to take advantage of the one interenet connection at each site, and the ded t1 that has no internet to the other location |
| 06:41.02 | Kupal[]_ | lol |
| 06:41.12 | Kupal[]_ | We have like a 4mb connection total. |
| 06:41.16 | Kupal[]_ | Its insane.. |
| 06:41.17 | Flimzy | Kupal[]_: I understand now. So how fast is the internet connection? |
| 06:41.18 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 06:41.18 | dpkg | it has been said that popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 06:41.22 | Flimzy | Kupal[]_: 4mb at each site? |
| 06:41.23 | tarzeau | PerfDave: you need an account ? |
| 06:41.26 | Kupal[]_ | basically |
| 06:41.29 | Kupal[]_ | New orleans and tampa |
| 06:41.39 | Flimzy | Kupal[]_: My advice: don't bond the T1 to it. |
| 06:41.45 | Flimzy | Kupal[]_: That will probably hurt performance. |
| 06:41.45 | Kupal[]_ | why not? |
| 06:41.50 | Flimzy | Kupal[]_: A T1 is nothing. |
| 06:41.58 | Kupal[]_ | added up they may be at1 |
| 06:41.59 | Flimzy | Kupal[]_: Your internet connection is 3x faster than the T1 |
| 06:42.04 | Kupal[]_ | dude. |
| 06:42.08 | Kupal[]_ | 1.5mb + 1.5mb |
| 06:42.12 | Kupal[]_ | that is basically our con |
| 06:42.23 | Kupal[]_ | Im looking for how, not why not. |
| 06:42.25 | kevix | tarzeau: I see you doing a 'popcon', is that to see if apt is up? |
| 06:42.25 | Flimzy | You have 3mb on each end then? |
| 06:42.34 | Flimzy | Kupal[]_: there isn't exactly a how. |
| 06:42.36 | Kupal[]_ | i have 1.5mb internet basically |
| 06:42.41 | Azar | quw: try http://www.scene.org/forums.php |
| 06:42.42 | Flimzy | Kupal[]_: You just told me you had 4mb |
| 06:42.47 | Kupal[]_ | and a 1.5mb ded t between lans |
| 06:42.51 | Kupal[]_ | i was just guestinamting |
| 06:42.59 | Kupal[]_ | I have 2 routers. That i would like to balance. |
| 06:43.01 | Flimzy | There's no guessing to do |
| 06:43.09 | Flimzy | How fast is the one internet connection you have at one site? |
| 06:43.11 | Kupal[]_ | My other alt is a waste of bandwidth for the organizations need. |
| 06:43.27 | Kupal[]_ | Dude. |
| 06:43.35 | Kupal[]_ | Im making money on this, to do as im told. |
| 06:43.47 | Kupal[]_ | and im asking for help when you have a 2 connections. |
| 06:43.49 | Flimzy | Well I'm not making any money on this. |
| 06:43.51 | Kupal[]_ | One has internet |
| 06:43.56 | Flimzy | So if you want my help, you can answer my questions. |
| 06:44.00 | Kupal[]_ | lol |
| 06:44.04 | Kupal[]_ | man. |
| 06:44.05 | Kupal[]_ | okay |
| 06:44.07 | Azar | Kupal[]_: you work for a greedy corporation? phew! |
| 06:44.13 | Kupal[]_ | Man i work. |
| 06:44.19 | Kupal[]_ | You party or something? |
| 06:44.22 | Kupal[]_ | Can we have a beer? |
| 06:44.31 | Flimzy | Kupal[]_: My self-defined job is to help people come up with the best way to do things. |
| 06:44.39 | Kupal[]_ | k |
| 06:44.41 | Kupal[]_ | works for me |
| 06:44.45 | Flimzy | Kupal[]_: Not to help them do whatever hair-brained idea they think might be cool, even if it totally sucks |
| 06:44.49 | tobehz | why are you binding a sub interface to the same interface |
| 06:44.52 | tobehz | :/ |
| 06:44.54 | Flimzy | Kupal[]_: so... if you want my help... how fast is your *actual* internet connection? |
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| 06:45.00 | Azar | Kupal[]_: I won't enslave my Debian box to some greedy inept corpies |
| 06:45.04 | Kupal[]_ | so you think we should use the ded t1 only for our non-internet/lan only stuff. |
| 06:45.15 | Kupal[]_ | 1.5mb T1 |
| 06:45.16 | Flimzy | Kupal[]_: I don't know yet!! How fast is your Internet connection? |
| 06:45.19 | Kupal[]_ | no internet on that one |
| 06:45.19 | Flimzy | So you ahve 3 T1s? |
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| 06:45.25 | Flimzy | 1 T1 to the Internet at each site |
| 06:45.28 | Kupal[]_ | and 1.5mb t1 internet |
| 06:45.29 | Flimzy | and 1 T1 between them? |
| 06:45.31 | Kupal[]_ | yes |
| 06:45.33 | Flimzy | Okay |
| 06:45.34 | Flimzy | Thank you |
| 06:45.35 | Flimzy | see? |
| 06:45.36 | Kupal[]_ | lol |
| 06:45.41 | Flimzy | No guesswork whatsoever |
| 06:45.43 | Flimzy | and a very easy answer |
| 06:45.44 | Kupal[]_ | k. |
| 06:45.47 | Flimzy | not sure why it became so difficult |
| 06:45.50 | Kupal[]_ | lets move on your right. |
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| 06:45.59 | Flimzy | What kind of traffic do you have over the Internet? |
| 06:46.17 | Kupal[]_ | most of our traffic is inter-lan between sattelite offices. |
| 06:46.17 | Flimzy | Mostly web? Mostly VPN? |
| 06:46.24 | Kupal[]_ | mostly vpn |
| 06:46.30 | Kupal[]_ | the t1 is new between offices. |
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| 06:46.38 | Flimzy | Sure |
| 06:46.42 | Kupal[]_ | not being utilizing 95% of our traffic is inter-lan |
| 06:46.45 | Flimzy | What kind of traffic goes out over the Internet T1s? |
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| 06:46.52 | Flimzy | Mostly VPN there? |
| 06:46.55 | Kupal[]_ | yes |
| 06:46.57 | Flimzy | Okay |
| 06:47.18 | Kupal[]_ | and im stuck with a pix on both the internet lines |
| 06:47.19 | Flimzy | In that case... I'd say... don't bond them |
| 06:47.22 | Gnea | Kupal[]_: it might be more efficient to keep the lan behind the T1, then setup a VPN to the other office that connects their lan and yours |
| 06:47.24 | Kupal[]_ | why not? |
| 06:47.26 | Flimzy | You'll probably make it worse |
| 06:47.33 | Flimzy | You'll add latency |
| 06:47.34 | neuterspay | Is it unadvisable or bad practice or just plain stupid to put an unstable or otherwise url in your sources.list just to get the Eclipse JDE and then after you've installed it, to take the source out? |
| 06:47.47 | Gnea | Kupal[]_: as for bonding... |
| 06:47.51 | Kupal[]_ | How much? |
| 06:47.51 | tarzeau | kevix: no it's to get more poeple to use it |
| 06:47.58 | tarzeau | kevix: have you installed it already? |
| 06:48.06 | Flimzy | You _could_ set up squid at both sites, and have them use each other as peers |
| 06:48.11 | Flimzy | that would help on web/ftp traffic somewhat |
| 06:48.23 | kevix | tarzeau: yea! now it has email and http options! |
| 06:48.24 | Gnea | !google ethernet bonding |
| 06:48.26 | Azar | neuterspay: you can allways "disable" a source by placing a comment " # " before it |
| 06:48.28 | Kupal[]_ | Gnea |
| 06:48.32 | Kupal[]_ | I have. |
| 06:48.36 | chealer9 | neuterspay: not necessarily |
| 06:48.38 | Gnea | Kupal[]_: okay |
| 06:48.42 | Kupal[]_ | Im looking for a self-booting cd withit in the kernel |
| 06:48.50 | Flimzy | Kupal[]_: If your ISP(s) will let you do dynamic routing (which is unlikely on a T1 connection), you could set up multiple routes... so if one T1 goes down, the other will take over |
| 06:48.58 | MrNaz | if you install a program by compiling it from scratch, how hard is it to completely uninstall or upgrade it? |
| 06:49.13 | tarzeau | MrNaz: depends on the programs makefile |
| 06:49.19 | Gnea | Kupal[]_: not sure about that one.... have you tried distrowatch.org? |
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| 06:49.24 | Gnea | or .com |
| 06:49.28 | Gnea | i forgot what it is |
| 06:49.36 | Flimzy | Kupal[]_: The cheapest way to get a faster Internet connection would probably be to get rid of one of the T1's at one site... and get 2 T1s at one site |
| 06:49.45 | streuner | tarzeau: and? |
| 06:49.45 | tarzeau | MrNaz: gnustep projects always have a make uninstall target, aside that they install into a directory, like on windows (without all the registry shit) |
| 06:49.46 | Flimzy | Kupal[]_: Then you'd have twice the Internet connection at one site |
| 06:49.51 | Flimzy | Kupal[]_: And still a T1 at the other |
| 06:49.55 | Azar | :) hi tarzeau, Gnea :) |
| 06:50.01 | tarzeau | streuner: ubuntu server install worked, 2.6.12 kernel, i didn't check the config yet... |
| 06:50.04 | Gnea | Flimzy: if he already has 2 T1's then that would actually be counter-productive |
| 06:50.04 | tarzeau | hi Azar |
| 06:50.08 | Gnea | Azar: yo |
| 06:50.15 | MrNaz | tarzeau ok so you can make uninstall ? |
| 06:50.18 | Flimzy | Kupal[]_: Only way that would suck is if you have a LOT of inter-office communication between the two offices already |
| 06:50.27 | tarzeau | MrNaz: depends on the software. which software? |
| 06:50.28 | Flimzy | Gnea: ? He has 3 T1s. |
| 06:50.37 | Gnea | Flimzy: shit, 3? even better |
| 06:50.38 | Flimzy | Gnea: 2 for 'net, 1 for inter-office. |
| 06:50.40 | MrNaz | apache2, postgresql and php |
| 06:50.44 | tarzeau | MrNaz: often the uninstall target is incomplete too, or buggy... |
| 06:50.47 | streuner | tarzeau: be glad that mhallsmite doesn't work here... |
| 06:50.53 | Flimzy | Gnea: My suggestion is to consolodate the 2 net T1s into a single physical endpoint |
| 06:50.58 | Flimzy | Gnea: Rather than having 1 T1 to each office |
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| 06:51.09 | tarzeau | streuner: i was glad i didn't had to install gnome |
| 06:51.22 | Gnea | Kupal[]_: how many offices? |
| 06:51.23 | tarzeau | streuner: and moved right after the ubuntu server install to debian gnu/linux sid |
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| 06:51.26 | neuterspay | Thanks guys. |
| 06:51.28 | dpkg | Google was unable to find any results for ethernet bonding |
| 06:51.32 | venatir | hi there ! how can I use php_admin_value in a dynamic-vhost file as %0 is not expanded and i make: php_admin_value open_basedir /www/hosts/%0/htdocs/ and get open_basedir=/www/hosts/%0/htdocs/ |
| 06:51.32 | Flimzy | Kupal[]_: Does that make any sense? |
| 06:51.37 | tarzeau | streuner: worked flawlessly so far, got xorg 6.9 , xawtv works! |
| 06:51.38 | Gnea | LOL |
| 06:51.54 | tarzeau | this is the first time, ubuntu was useful to me (their kernel and install cd) |
| 06:52.01 | Azar | tarzeau, for games sake? |
| 06:52.06 | tarzeau | i wouldn't have thought, this would ever happen |
| 06:52.16 | tarzeau | Azar: for i can watch late night movies |
| 06:52.32 | Azar | tarzeau, nice work :) |
| 06:52.34 | Flimzy | tarzeau: Ubuntu is frequently useful to me... as a scapegoat. I can send cluebbies to the ubuntu channels so they stop bothering me here :P |
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| 06:52.58 | Overand | please, someone yell at me for doing this: sudo tar -cvvf server-backup-march-07-2006 / |
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| 06:53.10 | streuner | tarzeau: from somebody to reach to become a DD, i would expect he would inform kmuto |
| 06:53.11 | Kupal[]__ | sorry .. |
| 06:53.18 | Kupal[]__ | got booted to standby |
| 06:53.18 | tarzeau | streuner: i will... |
| 06:53.20 | Gnea | Overand: YOU STUPID FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT%*#@($(# :) |
| 06:53.27 | Overand | Gnea: thanks =] |
| 06:53.31 | Gnea | hehehe |
| 06:53.31 | tarzeau | streuner: but first i need to know the details about the kernel config, don't i? |
| 06:53.38 | tarzeau | streuner: i was tired after all and went to bed |
| 06:53.39 | Overand | opddly, it seems to be working |
| 06:53.44 | streuner | tarzeau: ic |
| 06:53.49 | tarzeau | streuner: and haven't yet tried a debian kernel build... |
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| 06:54.04 | Kupal[]__ | I think i lost the whole conversation .. |
| 06:54.10 | Azar | tarzeau you really can debianize it ? |
| 06:54.13 | tarzeau | streuner: i'll have to build my own anyways for my quickcam and gnokii patches (for my nokia women organizer cellphone) |
| 06:54.21 | tarzeau | Azar: debianize what? |
| 06:54.25 | Azar | ubuntu |
| 06:54.38 | liable | nokia women organiser phone? |
| 06:54.39 | Gnea | .... |
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| 06:54.51 | tarzeau | liable: teh dating tool |
| 06:54.53 | Azar | liable, I guess that's how he calls them now |
| 06:55.11 | Azar | unofficial pimping? |
| 06:55.46 | Azar | sorry, I ment a phone agenda |
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| 06:56.39 | Flimzy | Kupal[]_: My suggestion is to get rid of the internet T1 at one office, and get a 2nd internet T1 at the other office |
| 06:56.47 | VulpesFoxnik | !deb Thunderbird |
| 06:56.51 | Flimzy | Kupal[]_: Then at least one office will have twice as fast an Internet connection |
| 06:56.55 | tarzeau | did you know ttf-gentium is in main now? nice font... |
| 06:57.03 | Flimzy | Kupal[]_: And it will probably cost a lot less than you're paying now. |
| 06:57.50 | Flimzy | Kupal[]_: In fact, you could likely get 2 internet T1s and 2 inter-office T1s for the same price or less than what you're paying now. |
| 06:57.52 | Overand | oddly, it looks like that tarbal is going to be finished in ~21 minutes. |
| 06:57.59 | Overand | tarball even |
| 06:58.08 | Flimzy | Kupal[]_: Making sense? |
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| 06:58.09 | Overand | I wonder... |
| 06:58.12 | Flimzy | Kupal[]_: Or did you get disconnected again? |
| 06:58.29 | Overand | if I extract that tarball onto another system and install a working bootloader, what *won't* work? =] |
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| 06:58.41 | liable | beer 'o' clock ;) |
| 06:58.54 | niklaus | when i mount a loop image it is readonly. i tried with option -o rw ,but still it is readonly |
| 06:59.11 | streuner | tarzeau: http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm |
| 06:59.17 | kevix | liable: I'll have to set my watch to ring then x-) |
| 06:59.36 | tarzeau | streuner: yeah that one didn't work! |
| 06:59.43 | niklaus | any ideas to mount loop images in a readonly manner |
| 06:59.47 | sanxiyn | too bad |
| 06:59.52 | tarzeau | streuner: ahhhh kmuto does that, and he's on irc in #debian-boot ... let me check |
| 06:59.56 | RazaMetaL | hi |
| 07:00.10 | RazaMetaL | greetings from Ecuador - South America |
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| 07:00.30 | Flimzy | Hola |
| 07:00.35 | RazaMetaL | hola |
| 07:00.37 | RazaMetaL | ;) |
| 07:00.43 | kevix | !es |
| 07:00.43 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 07:00.56 | RazaMetaL | i've a trouble with my swap partition |
| 07:01.17 | Flimzy | Who said anything about Spanish? |
| 07:01.27 | kevix | RazaMetaL: what can be wrong with a swap partition? it only does one thing x-) |
| 07:01.44 | RazaMetaL | that is not being used, top is showing me the used swap as 0 |
| 07:01.57 | liable | thats good |
| 07:02.00 | SlayerXP | RazaMetaL: and that's bad? |
| 07:02.04 | RazaMetaL | cat /etc/fstab |
| 07:02.10 | liable | no |
| 07:02.15 | liable | dont paste here |
| 07:02.18 | RazaMetaL | /dev/hda5 none swap sw 0 0 |
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| 07:02.20 | Flimzy | RazaMetaL: Congratulations... that means you don't need to be using swap. |
| 07:02.22 | RazaMetaL | only one line |
| 07:02.33 | RazaMetaL | but my cpu is increasing |
| 07:02.55 | Flimzy | RazaMetaL, CPU and swap have practically nothing to do with each other, tho. |
| 07:03.00 | RazaMetaL | and the system is too slow when i've some apps running at the same time |
| 07:03.14 | Overand | RazaMetaL: swap has to do with memory |
| 07:03.17 | Flimzy | Rawplayer: What does 'free' say about swap? |
| 07:03.25 | Overand | concurrency has to do with both memory and CPU |
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| 07:04.13 | RazaMetaL | humm... but my system goes slow |
| 07:04.43 | Flimzy | RazaMetaL: That's probably b/c it's busy. |
| 07:04.49 | Overand | What 'goes slow' about it, and Flimzy is right, what does 'free' have to say about it |
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| 07:04.55 | RazaMetaL | I've 512MB of rAM |
| 07:05.04 | Overand | also, what are your load averages? (shown on the far right when you run 'uptime') |
| 07:05.12 | RazaMetaL | listen.. when I run top |
| 07:05.47 | RazaMetaL | I can see cpu, mem and swap |
| 07:05.53 | Flimzy | RazaMetaL: yes yes... but what does free say? |
| 07:06.19 | yawg | when i did apt-get install links2, opened it, and opened the calibration page, i can't even do the first step because my 'setup' menu doesn't have a "video options" in it |
| 07:06.23 | RazaMetaL | Swap: 497972k total, 0k used, 497972k free |
| 07:06.35 | Flimzy | RazaMetaL: Then that means you don't need to use swap. |
| 07:06.37 | RazaMetaL | sometimes I get 44k used |
| 07:06.45 | Flimzy | RazaMetaL: that's normal. |
| 07:06.49 | Overand | yawg: hi. |
| 07:06.50 | RazaMetaL | ahh... sounds great |
| 07:06.53 | Flimzy | RazaMetaL: It's absolutely nothing to be worried about. |
| 07:07.02 | Flimzy | Wow... Quantum Leap is broadcast in HD. |
| 07:07.16 | kevix | yawg: I use links2 |
| 07:07.16 | Overand | Flimzy: WHAT?! Madness! Technology from the future! |
| 07:07.32 | Flimzy | Overand: haha |
| 07:07.36 | RazaMetaL | in example, if I open firefox and evolution at the same time the system is very slow |
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| 07:07.44 | yawg | kevix: does your 'setup' menu have 'video options' ? |
| 07:07.50 | RazaMetaL | the cpu utilization is increased |
| 07:07.55 | Flimzy | RazaMetaL: Well, yeah... that's because you're running two large applications at the same time. |
| 07:08.05 | markonis | hello, anyone can tell me how to stop ypbind from starting up? |
| 07:08.07 | Overand | RazaMetaL: what is the CPU in this system? |
| 07:08.11 | RazaMetaL | and the load averega comes higer |
| 07:08.21 | kevix | yawg: yes. I hit 'esc' and -> over to it. |
| 07:08.22 | jm_ | markw_: why did you install it if you don't need it? |
| 07:08.22 | Flimzy | RazaMetaL: When I try to tow a trailer, and my mother-in-law with my Ford Escort, it also goes slow. |
| 07:08.29 | jm_ | markonis read the above for markw_ |
| 07:08.31 | RazaMetaL | model name : Mobile Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz |
| 07:08.57 | yawg | kevix: do you have a desktop environment, or are you pure terminal? |
| 07:09.14 | Overand | RazaMetaL: mobel P4 miiiiight be dealing with 'speedstep' |
| 07:09.15 | RazaMetaL | i feel something is wrong, lats week all was ok |
| 07:09.16 | kevix | yawg: I use it in a console. |
| 07:09.34 | Flimzy | RazaMetaL: What is your CPU load? run 'uptime' when it's slow. |
| 07:09.41 | Flimzy | Knight Rider is also broadcast in HD |
| 07:09.48 | yawg | kevix: is there a package i need to get to put "video options" in my 'setup' menu? |
| 07:09.57 | venatir | hi there ! how can I use php_admin_value in a dynamic-vhost file as %0 is not expanded and i make: php_admin_value open_basedir /www/hosts/%0/htdocs/ and get open_basedir=/www/hosts/%0/htdocs/ |
| 07:10.08 | RazaMetaL | the average is 8.0 , 10.0 |
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| 07:10.15 | Azar | Flimzy: I just returned a brand new HDTV set... looks horrible |
| 07:10.17 | Flimzy | I want to watch the original Star Trek, and Gilligan's Island in HD!! |
| 07:10.23 | Flimzy | Azar: ?? |
| 07:10.26 | kevix | yawg: I never did any configurations AFAICT. I just installed it and it worked. |
| 07:10.32 | RazaMetaL | right now is normal with 0.27 |
| 07:10.34 | Flimzy | Azar: My HD set works fine. |
| 07:10.35 | yawg | hm.. |
| 07:10.46 | Azar | Flimzy: I ordered a brand new Samsung HDTV... the image was horrible |
| 07:10.49 | Flimzy | Azar: And the price was right. |
| 07:11.04 | nicky360 | i have a notebook ,but it isn't setup debian . who can help me!!! |
| 07:11.07 | Flimzy | Azar: I have an Olivea... $3000 price tag, but AOL paid for all but $400 for me |
| 07:11.11 | kevix | yawg: the video options are not very important. it lists gamma and a few other options. |
| 07:11.31 | yawg | kevix: it's required to get the images to display i think |
| 07:11.34 | Azar | Flimzy: it was not the TV fault: my cable company do not offer yet HD and any HDTV will look horrible on it |
| 07:11.40 | yawg | kevix: according to the 'calibration' page |
| 07:11.56 | Gnea | !laptop |
| 07:11.56 | kevix | yawg: can you get it to work in text mode? |
| 07:11.58 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org , and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 07:12.00 | Flimzy | Azar: Who's your cable company? |
| 07:12.10 | Azar | Flimzy: Charter |
| 07:12.12 | Flimzy | Azar: Most localities (at least in the U.S.) have off-air HD broadcasts. |
| 07:12.17 | Flimzy | Azar: Where do you live? |
| 07:12.22 | Gnea | charter is the WORST cable company in the states. |
| 07:12.24 | Azar | So Calif |
| 07:12.26 | nicky360 | acer |
| 07:12.28 | yawg | kevix: huh? i think i can *only* get it to work in text mode, this computer has no desktop environment |
| 07:12.34 | nicky360 | acer travelmate 4002lci |
| 07:12.39 | Flimzy | Azar: I'm sorry to hear that. I use Cox. |
| 07:12.49 | kevix | yawg: I have a fb setup. that is how I get graphics. |
| 07:13.00 | yawg | kevix: what is fb? |
| 07:13.01 | yawg | !fb? |
| 07:13.02 | dpkg | fb are floot bloppies, or , but shouldn't it be foot-bloppies?, or framebuffer (a graphicsmode (in terms of vga video memory addressing) for text), or fluxbox |
| 07:13.03 | Azar | Flimzy: I got another, regular Sony analog, that has an excellent crystal image |
| 07:13.24 | markonis | jm_, actually I didn't (long story) can I remove it? what .deb is it? |
| 07:13.39 | kevix | yawg: do 'lsmod|grep fb' |
| 07:13.48 | Azar | Flimzy: anyways I read that HD will only bring horrors when it comes to recording for personal use |
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| 07:13.51 | nicky360 | i have something ,i will go |
| 07:13.51 | Overand | markonis: apt-cache search (wwhatever) |
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| 07:14.27 | yawg | kevix: nothing :( |
| 07:14.31 | Overand | yawg: framebuffer |
| 07:14.36 | Flimzy | Azar: Yeah.. there are a few ways to do it. |
| 07:14.38 | Overand | are you just using regular text console? |
| 07:14.38 | yawg | kevix: is there a package to install framebuffer? |
| 07:14.43 | yawg | Overand: yeah |
| 07:14.49 | Flimzy | Azar: But it certianly opens up the possibilities for headaches. |
| 07:14.53 | Overand | you'll need to change your kernel boot parameters for one |
| 07:14.54 | kevix | yawg: what kind of video card ? |
| 07:15.07 | Overand | at least, that's how i do it |
| 07:15.10 | Overand | hm |
| 07:15.12 | yawg | kevix: oh, i don't think there is a video card in this machine |
| 07:15.18 | Overand | wait |
| 07:15.22 | Azar | Flimzy: new sets not working with old recorders, or even old sound centers.. bah.. |
| 07:15.23 | Overand | so what are you trying to do, yawg |
| 07:15.52 | yawg | Overand: i asked in this channel if there was any command line web browser that could display images as text |
| 07:15.56 | Flimzy | Azar: Well I get my cable service for free... and as I mentioned, my HDTV was nearly free. so it's all good for me. hehe |
| 07:15.58 | yawg | Overand: they told me to get links2 |
| 07:16.06 | Overand | yawg: that's a thing that uses FB |
| 07:16.08 | Overand | you want aalib |
| 07:16.13 | warhead | :-) |
| 07:16.15 | kevix | yawg: wait... aalib |
| 07:16.28 | Overand | Are there any aalib-supporting browsers? |
| 07:16.34 | Overand | that's an interesting question |
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| 07:16.48 | Overand | yawg: 'fbcon' framebuffer console is what you've seen on some of my machines |
| 07:16.51 | Azar | Flimzy: it is not worthed for me: fifty nine bucks / month plus possible recording restrictions, no way |
| 07:16.56 | Overand | a *graphical* 'text mode' |
| 07:16.57 | bz0b | hey all |
| 07:17.08 | Overand | knoppix, for example, defaults to use fb console |
| 07:17.15 | Flimzy | Azar: And like I said, you can get local HD broadcasts off-air |
| 07:17.18 | Overand | it's a wholly seperate entity from text |
| 07:17.18 | bz0b | i just installed debian, and i was wondering, when I nmaped myself, i noticed port 111 and port 660 is open, may i ask what those are? |
| 07:17.27 | kevix | Overand: can you get a fb console w/o a graphics card/ |
| 07:17.30 | Flimzy | Azar: And you can record that w/ Linux-supported tuners |
| 07:17.58 | Overand | kevix: i don't see the sanity behind that question |
| 07:17.59 | Overand | hehe |
| 07:18.13 | Overand | like, i think he's just SSHing into the machine and wants ascii-art gfx |
| 07:18.16 | jm_ | markonis: sure, uninstall it if you don't need it |
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| 07:18.20 | Overand | which would be really need |
| 07:18.21 | Overand | ...neat |
| 07:18.32 | Azar | bz0b: http://www.neophasis.com/neolabs/neo-ports/neo-ports.html |
| 07:18.42 | kevix | yawg: you may want to try: 'apt-get install caca-utils' |
| 07:18.47 | yawg | aalib1 is already the newest version. |
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| 07:19.30 | Overand | a google search for aalib links isn't helping much |
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| 07:19.50 | merlincorey | general linux; is there a command to see what symbols are in a shared object? |
| 07:20.06 | Azar | _bz0b: you can also type : netstat -pant or netstat -na |
| 07:21.03 | jm_ | merlincorey: yes |
| 07:21.15 | Overand | yawg: it's just not there |
| 07:21.25 | chbug | hi! I'm in the process of cleaning up some warnings at boot. there is one regarding deprecated PCMCIA ioctl usage. I'm on a 2.6.15 with pcmciautils. Is this warning to be expected? |
| 07:21.26 | Overand | yawg: you can use caca todisplay images 'inside' links |
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| 07:21.35 | Overand | but not integrated into the rendering, AFAIK |
| 07:21.44 | yawg | !AFAIK? |
| 07:21.44 | dpkg | hmm... afaik is some kind of acronym...but nobody knows what it means, As Far As I Know. ask me about 'imnkatf'. |
| 07:21.56 | merlincorey | jm_: please oblige me :) |
| 07:21.56 | yawg | !imnkatf? |
| 07:21.57 | dpkg | it has been said that imnkatf is I May Not Know All That Far |
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| 07:22.38 | jm_ | merlincorey: nm |
| 07:22.52 | Azar | this sounds nice: Quote of the Day on port 17 |
| 07:22.57 | merlincorey | jm_: thanks |
| 07:23.13 | Azar | which port would do the Top Ten? |
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| 07:23.21 | kevix | yawg: the only thing I can recommend is to use links2 to view a web page. and download images. then use caca-utils to view the images. |
| 07:23.51 | yawg | my only working machine is an old OLD laptop atm |
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| 07:23.57 | merlincorey | errr |
| 07:24.01 | merlincorey | bash: nm: command not found |
| 07:24.10 | merlincorey | of COURSE this broken ass box wouldn't have it >_< |
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| 07:24.48 | liable | merlincorey: binutils |
| 07:26.33 | merlincorey | liable: danke; though I figured that out since it wasn't in elfutils |
| 07:27.02 | Overand | yawg: so why not use fbcon on the laptop |
| 07:27.08 | Overand | or is the laptop not running debian? |
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| 07:28.37 | yawg | it's debian |
| 07:30.09 | bz0b | so, i just installed debian, and i nmaped myself, and it turns out that there is a daemon on port 111 and 660, i believe it has something to do with rpc, which im not to fond with, can someone maybe tell me what these do, and if i should stop them or not |
| 07:30.30 | kevix | yawg: how old is the laptop? I have stable/sarge on a 166mhz/32mb laptop |
| 07:30.34 | merlincorey | bz0b: did you nmap yourself locally or from another box? |
| 07:30.48 | ircdevil | jm_ that mouse problem the other day ... |
| 07:30.55 | bz0b | merlincorey: locally |
| 07:31.08 | yawg | kevix: 90MHz, 16MB ram, 1GB hd |
| 07:31.15 | bz0b | merlincorey: do you mind mapping me to tell me if you see the same? |
| 07:31.34 | merlincorey | bz0b: ummm, well, I could, I guess, if you're directly connected and there's no router |
| 07:31.40 | kevix | yawg: ok. that might be harder x-) |
| 07:31.41 | bz0b | yes i am |
| 07:31.43 | bz0b | no router |
| 07:31.57 | jm_ | ircdevil: yes? |
| 07:32.10 | ircdevil | jm_ i got two new woking mice by mail :o) |
| 07:32.25 | jm_ | ircdevil: from the same company? |
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| 07:32.46 | ircdevil | jm_: yes - i didnt even turn in the old mice, or in any way prove that i had bought their mouse :o) |
| 07:32.56 | jm_ | ircdevil: very nice customer service |
| 07:33.03 | ircdevil | jm_: extremely so :o) |
| 07:33.34 | ircdevil | jm_: apparently they were very much aware that they had released a mouse with a hardware bug ... |
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| 07:35.12 | daymoon | yawg: pls how high load has ur CPU during play standard (44.1kHz, 128kbs) mp3 file? |
| 07:35.37 | daymoon | yawg: my P166MMX/64MB has 50%+ :-( |
| 07:35.56 | jm_ | ircdevil: yeah it did sound pretty weird, but one usually doesn;'t consider that such a simple device could have bugs ;) |
| 07:36.08 | jm_ | daymoon: yeah pretty normal for P166 |
| 07:36.23 | yawg | i haven't tried to play any music on it |
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| 07:36.32 | daymoon | jm_: not normal, on 2.4.20 it was <10% |
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| 07:36.42 | jm_ | daymoon: with the same player? |
| 07:36.42 | liable | bz0b: portmap gets installed by default in debian, if you dont use nfs you can remove it. dunno what 660 is though |
| 07:36.46 | daymoon | yes |
| 07:37.02 | bz0b | liable: so do i just do /etc/init.d/portmap stop? |
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| 07:37.18 | liable | bz0b: you can remove the package completely |
| 07:37.28 | bz0b | liable: how would i go about doing htat? |
| 07:37.31 | jm_ | daymoon: hmm I don't have any slow machines here to test it on, the one that's a candidate has a broken disk |
| 07:37.33 | daymoon | jm_: xmms and self compiled mplayer |
| 07:37.58 | liable | bz0b: iirc its run from inetd anyway |
| 07:37.58 | bz0b | apt-get remove portmap |
| 07:37.58 | ircdevil | jm_: it is actually a very neat mouse. there is some windows software with it, so you can adjust some firmware settings in the mouse - there is a selector button on the mouse for setting the DPI resolution, and the behaviour of the button can be adjusted. |
| 07:37.58 | jm_ | daymoon: yeah you should use something lighter, try mpg321 |
| 07:37.58 | bz0b | liable: well, i just ran that command and it worked |
| 07:38.18 | daymoon | i used it too, but i will use it again for a test |
| 07:38.22 | jm_ | ircdevil: yeah mine does most of that too, I got it for < 20EUR |
| 07:38.31 | bz0b | 113 is identd |
| 07:38.34 | bz0b | 111 is portmap |
| 07:38.46 | daymoon | jm_: mpg123 or mpg321? |
| 07:38.49 | bz0b | 660 says its a mac-srvr-admin |
| 07:38.54 | bz0b | which i dont know what that is |
| 07:39.08 | bz0b | or when i do an extensive nmap, its called status |
| 07:39.17 | jm_ | daymoon: go with 321 first |
| 07:39.18 | wireddd | you know filtering out all of the domain names of webservers that serve ads works great |
| 07:39.28 | daymoon | jm_: thanks |
| 07:39.40 | ircdevil | jm_: yup, me too. why buy a super expensive logitech mouse ? :oX |
| 07:40.23 | bz0b | brb |
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| 07:40.41 | daymoon | jm_: i'll test it in a moment and i'll send report :-) |
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| 07:42.46 | daymoon | jm_: :-( ~100% load |
| 07:43.34 | jm_ | daymoon: wtf, now I am intrigued to test it on a dead machine here |
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| 07:46.00 | daymoon | jm_: lowest load does xmms, i dont know how... |
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| 07:46.23 | Nopalin | hey, how i cant use apt with --no-download option for reuse downloaded packages, but apt download some dependencies too? |
| 07:46.31 | Nopalin | how i can* |
| 07:46.40 | jm_ | daymoon: I remember mp3 players for DOS back then that worked on high-end 486-s, but they were heavily optimized |
| 07:47.08 | jm_ | daymoon: xmms is using mpg123 lib to play mp3-s |
| 07:47.21 | jm_ | Nopalin: simple, apt-get install foo |
| 07:47.35 | daymoon | jm_: where could be a difference between kernel 2.4 and 2.6 while decoding mp3? |
| 07:47.48 | daymoon | on 2.4 was load < 10%, really |
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| 07:47.51 | Nopalin | jm_: not, becasue with that option, apt donwload all the packages, inclusive downloaded packages |
| 07:48.11 | jm_ | Nopalin: no it doesn't, if it finds a suitable version in the cache, it will use it |
| 07:48.26 | jm_ | daymoon: that's a good question |
| 07:48.32 | neuterspay | Anybody know what du does? |
| 07:48.33 | liable | Nopalin: apt wont download already downloaded packages. they must be a newer version |
| 07:48.33 | neuterspay | As a command? |
| 07:48.43 | valdyn | daymoon: this cpu load difference has nothing to do with decodiing the mp3 most likely, more probably its you reading something wrong or a driver wasting cpu |
| 07:49.00 | daymoon | valdyn: may be |
| 07:49.00 | Nopalin | jm_: hmm why apt show me the download status bar for already donwloaded packages? |
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| 07:49.27 | Nopalin | or may be i see bad |
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| 07:49.40 | daymoon | valdyn: how i can discover it? |
| 07:49.42 | valdyn | Nopalin: apt-get has a download status bar ever? |
| 07:49.48 | jm_ | Nopalin: because you don't have the version it wants in the cache |
| 07:50.00 | jm_ | Nopalin: or because it's downloading some other package, not the one in the cache |
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| 07:50.22 | valdyn | daymoon: give us precise complete info as you can, dont quote your information tools, use cut and paste.. so we can even see your reading errors ( if they exist ) |
| 07:50.33 | Nopalin | jm_: hmm let me see again |
| 07:50.48 | daymoon | valdyn: ok |
| 07:51.25 | valdyn | daymoon: and try if just playing back some .wav file shows the same anomaly |
| 07:51.28 | daymoon | valdyn: mpg123 does this log: ALSA: underrun, at least 0ms. |
| 07:51.46 | valdyn | daymoon: ok, that is not to unusual |
| 07:52.35 | valdyn | daymoon: its 'just' a latency issue too, its not hinting at high cpu load |
| 07:53.38 | Nopalin | jm_: i want to install openoffice2, i've already donwloaded it, for some reasy i reinstall the sistem, so i want to install oop2 again, but it is download all oop2, :s |
| 07:53.59 | Nopalin | my /var/cache/apt, link to dir with all debs i've already downloaded |
| 07:54.01 | nonix4 | valdyn: some kernel versions just make those latency issues more probable than others - changing buffer sizes may help |
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| 07:54.23 | valdyn | nonix4: yea, i know, but his primary issue was cpu load, not latency |
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| 07:54.41 | Nazcafan | hi |
| 07:54.54 | nonix4 | valdyn: also some drivers do have real bugs causing underruns even when there is no cpu load |
| 07:55.22 | Nazcafan | I've had some trouble with my wifi connexion tonight |
| 07:55.35 | Nopalin | jm_: but if i use --no-download, apt attemps to install debs in my local dir, but dont downloade some dependecies :s |
| 07:55.37 | daymoon | nonix4: i only tuned swappines and no goal |
| 07:55.59 | valdyn | daymoon: swappiness has nothing to do with this anyway |
| 07:56.30 | TraceGreen | Hello, which tool can help me to create flash in debian? |
| 07:56.38 | Nazcafan | and I'm wondering if that could be linked with the fact that I did not recompile the wifi drivers after apt installed a new version of my 2.6.15 linux image |
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| 07:57.20 | valdyn | Nazcafan: try recompile and see for yourself? |
| 07:57.24 | daymoon | valdyn: wav playing does 50% load |
| 07:57.43 | valdyn | daymoon: alright, which kernel are you using? |
| 07:57.54 | Nazcafan | valdyn: the thing is that now it works, I just woke up this morning and saw I had lost connexion |
| 07:57.57 | valdyn | daymoon: which tool shows 50% cpu load? |
| 07:58.10 | daymoon | wmcpuload |
| 07:58.21 | valdyn | daymoon: use top |
| 07:58.22 | Nazcafan | if it does it again, I'll recompile |
| 07:58.39 | daymoon | htop says: CPU: 75% sys: 25% |
| 07:58.48 | valdyn | daymoon: i do not know wmcpuload, using old cpu load monitoring tools for a 2.6 kernel system is unreliable |
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| 07:59.07 | valdyn | daymoon: uname -r |
| 07:59.09 | neuterspay | http://www.crazysquirrel.com/computing/debian/java.jspx |
| 07:59.18 | neuterspay | neuterspay:/home/dutch# java -version |
| 07:59.20 | neuterspay | JVM not found: libjvm.so - libjvm.so |
| 07:59.23 | neuterspay | Sadly. |
| 07:59.25 | daymoon | valdyn: 2.6.15 |
| 07:59.28 | Nazcafan | well thanks |
| 07:59.31 | neuterspay | I'm not doing anything wrong - do you see this often? |
| 07:59.32 | Nazcafan | bye |
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| 07:59.37 | valdyn | daymoon: why dont you use a debian kernel? |
| 07:59.38 | neuterspay | Or, don't think I'm diong anything wrong... |
| 07:59.44 | daymoon | valdyn: last week compiled, from source with debian patches |
| 07:59.53 | valdyn | daymoon: i see |
| 08:00.01 | valdyn | daymoon: use a different kernel, this is defenitely a kernel bug |
| 08:00.04 | daymoon | valdyn: i use debian kernel |
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| 08:00.34 | daymoon | valdyn: but kernel 2.6.8 and 2.6.12 did the same |
| 08:00.50 | valdyn | daymoon: maybe your hardware is broken |
| 08:01.00 | valdyn | daymoon: was this ever working correctly? |
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| 08:01.26 | valdyn | daymoon: what exactly are you involving in playing back sounds ? some sound daemon like esd? |
| 08:02.11 | daymoon | valdyn: yes, working, on kernel 2.4.20 was it perfect with load <10% |
| 08:02.30 | valdyn | daymoon: use a 2.4 kernel then i suggest |
| 08:02.47 | valdyn | daymoon: at least if you want this to be working ok till you find a fix for 2.6 |
| 08:02.58 | daymoon | valdyn: ok |
| 08:03.10 | valdyn | daymoon: oh, another alternative would be to use the OSS drivers instead of the alsa drivers in 2.6 |
| 08:03.30 | daymoon | valdyn: aha |
| 08:03.34 | valdyn | daymoon: that will fix it if the culprit is alsa.. |
| 08:03.40 | daymoon | valdyn: i use alsa driver as module |
| 08:04.02 | daymoon | valdyn: ok, i will try it |
| 08:04.20 | jm_ | Nopalin: if you download it it by hand, then apt-get might not know about it, or perhaps the versions are not exactly the same |
| 08:04.26 | neuterspay | Anybody awake that may be able to help me? This is my 4th time installing Java. First time I've ever had problem with it. |
| 08:04.50 | apenguinl | hi is it possibel that postgresql will work in Debian as a replication ?>?? |
| 08:05.11 | SimonRaven | just configure for it |
| 08:05.21 | SlayerXP | apenguinl: i'm a very big fan of postgres, all its repliation systems are pants. |
| 08:05.48 | kneet | rsync question - I ran rsync -rv --delete src dest - then after _lots_ of files copied up as a test reran it with the -n option - and it says that the entire filelist that it just transferred needs transferring. The files are all present on dest. I'm a little lost as to why |
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| 08:05.49 | apenguinl | SlayerXP, How dear any idea?? |
| 08:06.04 | SlayerXP | apenguinl: que? |
| 08:06.13 | apenguinl | yes |
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| 08:08.33 | concept10 | could someone recommend a file manager alternative to nautilus? Im tired of these crashes |
| 08:08.41 | jetscreamer | xfe |
| 08:08.57 | streuner | concept10: gentoo |
| 08:08.58 | concept10 | is that the one that comes with xfce? |
| 08:09.05 | jetscreamer | no |
| 08:09.08 | jetscreamer | !info xfe |
| 08:09.19 | dpkg | xfe: (lightweight file manager for X11), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.88-1 (sid), Packaged size: 881 kB, Installed size: 2896 kB |
| 08:09.25 | streuner | !info gentoo |
| 08:09.28 | dpkg | gentoo: (a fully GUI-configurable, two-pane X file manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.11.46-1.1 (sid), Packaged size: 737 kB, Installed size: 2200 kB |
| 08:09.41 | jetscreamer | try both |
| 08:09.47 | concept10 | streuner, I thought you were being funny :) |
| 08:10.13 | streuner | it was then... ;-) |
| 08:10.21 | liable | rox-filer |
| 08:10.57 | deadcat | thunar |
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| 08:11.01 | yos87_2 | where is the dns record saved |
| 08:11.10 | concept10 | heh... I like Nautilus but that damn app is as stable as a Elephant on stilts |
| 08:11.11 | streuner | /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 08:11.11 | deadcat | yos87_2: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 08:11.28 | johnny_sss | Hi is there some software in sarge that I can monitor the cpu tempature with? |
| 08:11.40 | streuner | johnny_sss: lm-sensors |
| 08:11.42 | jetscreamer | lmsensors |
| 08:11.56 | jetscreamer | first and correct |
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| 08:12.57 | PerfDave | johnny_sss: ksensors is handy |
| 08:13.12 | concept10 | jetscreamer, XFE: Simple, full of features, old school .. I like it thanks |
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| 08:14.03 | concept10 | I wonder what tool kit this thing uses |
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| 08:14.10 | jetscreamer | fox |
| 08:14.29 | yos87_2 | deadcat: no I mean the dns record , not the dns server IP's |
| 08:14.48 | yos87_2 | websites and ip addresses |
| 08:15.19 | jetscreamer | he wants the directory bind has the records in i guess |
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| 08:22.00 | yos87_2 | jetscreamer: yes, where does dns save the websites resolved hosts names from the roothints |
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| 08:22.19 | yos87_2 | jetscreamer: or maybe he don't save it |
| 08:22.28 | yos87_2 | jetscreamer: all the time roothints |
| 08:22.39 | jetscreamer | the cache is the word you want i think.. no idea never done bind |
| 08:22.46 | neuterspay | Can somebody please help me? |
| 08:22.51 | jetscreamer | !ask |
| 08:22.52 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 08:24.47 | johnny_sss | PerfDave, thanks. |
| 08:24.50 | yos87_2 | jetscreamer: But I need the dns records! |
| 08:25.21 | jetscreamer | yos87_2: what do you want me to do, learn bind real quick for you? |
| 08:25.31 | neuterspay | Can somebody help me with my java installation please? This is my 4th time putting java on a debian 2.6 system and the first time I've had trouble with it. |
| 08:25.46 | aidan | How can I find out if a package has any dependencies installed? |
| 08:26.00 | neuterspay | dutch@neuterspay:~$ java -version |
| 08:26.01 | neuterspay | JVM not found: libjvm.so - libjvm.so |
| 08:26.14 | yos87_2 | jetscreamer: I so sorry, I was really to havey for you |
| 08:26.20 | neuterspay | http://www.crazysquirrel.com/computing/debian/java.jspx been using this to a tee |
| 08:26.25 | berzerka | ugh! smbmount: Could not resolve mount point /home/bzk/VR/mount/vr. ls -l --> ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? vr and flashing red. wtf? |
| 08:26.31 | jm_ | aidan: you mean if something depends on an installed package? |
| 08:26.39 | yos87_2 | jetscreamer: thank you for help |
| 08:27.22 | yos87_2 | can we search for a name iside a file |
| 08:28.10 | jetscreamer | yos87_2: updatedb & locate bind or something |
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| 08:29.12 | deadcat | berzerka: system is fucked. happended to me end of last year |
| 08:29.31 | berzerka | deadcat: you're joking. |
| 08:29.35 | deadcat | nop |
| 08:29.39 | aidan | jm_: yep, what installed packages depend on my already installed package |
| 08:29.45 | jetscreamer | yos87_2: http://www.bind9.net/manuals/ |
| 08:29.51 | jm_ | aidan: grep-dctrl, dpkg-awk, apt-get, aptitude, ... |
| 08:29.58 | deadcat | berzerka: i had a file that couldnt be removed too |
| 08:30.09 | berzerka | fsck or something? |
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| 08:30.23 | berzerka | deadcat: nothing helps? |
| 08:30.31 | deadcat | reinstall.. |
| 08:30.40 | deadcat | since there were many files. |
| 08:31.04 | deadcat | berzerka: one was a system lib file which required to upgrade packages. |
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| 08:31.40 | berzerka | deadcat: well, luckily it is 'only' my home partition, so my system itself would stay alive.. will try to repair it somehow. |
| 08:31.51 | deadcat | cool |
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| 08:32.05 | whishkah | I have 2 Hard Drives. I installed the main files on a SCSI drive ( sda1). Then the /home directory is on an IDE hard drive (hdc1). Yet I can't login to a user account because hdc doesn't exit. /dev doesn't list it either? |
| 08:32.18 | jetscreamer | http://www.bind9.net/links |
| 08:32.56 | jetscreamer | don't ou just love initrd grub and udev? |
| 08:32.56 | whishkah | Sorry that is exist not exit. |
| 08:33.01 | jetscreamer | s/ou/you/ |
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| 08:33.29 | mikey | Hey babies. |
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| 08:33.58 | mikey | What flag to you add to grep to make the search case incensitive? |
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| 08:35.26 | peterS | mikey: --help |
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| 08:37.06 | jetscreamer | -i |
| 08:37.13 | jetscreamer | i mean --help |
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| 08:38.59 | joey_ | does anyone use binary groups and would recommend an application that automates creation of par2 files and uploading ?:) |
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| 08:41.17 | jolly- | how do I get vfat module support in debian? |
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| 08:41.56 | peterS | jolly-: just specify '-t vfat' when mounting something |
| 08:42.32 | jolly- | I thought so too |
| 08:42.34 | jolly- | but i get VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev sda1. |
| 08:42.54 | MrNaz | does debian have a UI for edtiing the settings in /etc/network/interfaces or do you use just vim or something? |
| 08:43.20 | jolly- | any ideas? |
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| 08:45.55 | peterS | jolly-: it may be that you don't have a valid FAT filesystem on dev sda1. |
| 08:46.16 | fireba11 | MrNaz: usually just edit the file |
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| 08:47.16 | joey_ | johns^ do you have scsci or usb hdd ? |
| 08:47.25 | joey_ | jolly- rather |
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| 08:50.17 | priscila | jolly-: are you certainly which filesystem is fat? it can be ntfs if windows w2k or xp is installed. |
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| 08:52.05 | neuterspay | I'm having problems installing Java on my machine - 4th time setting it up on debian, this is my first time with a problem... can anybody help? dutch@spayed:~$ java -version |
| 08:52.06 | neuterspay | JVM not found: libjvm.so - libjvm.so |
| 08:52.16 | neuterspay | Followed http://www.crazysquirrel.com/computing/debian/java.jspx to the letter. |
| 08:52.18 | neuterspay | Just like I always do. |
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| 08:52.59 | liable | neuterspay: take a look at the debian-admin howto for it, and see if it differs at all |
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| 08:53.57 | warhead | I try compile KDE 3.5.1 on my Debian Sarge :-) |
| 08:54.23 | warhead | with konstruct :-) |
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| 08:54.50 | neuterspay | liable |
| 08:55.00 | neuterspay | Where's that howto locateD? |
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| 08:56.20 | warhead | I seek kde 3.5.1 for Debian Sarge...brbr... only source, but all packages in Debian is for KDE 3.3.x huh ... |
| 08:56.52 | warhead | mmMmm... I need strong CPU :-) |
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| 08:57.24 | weasel00 | hanging on install at 86% whileloading "module ide-cd for linux atapi cd-rom" any thoughts on how to get around this? |
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| 08:58.01 | warhead | weasel00 > Try, replace ide cabel :-) |
| 08:58.11 | weasel00 | installing on a fujitsu notbook off cd to get to network install |
| 08:58.29 | concept10 | anyone heard of this sun try before you buy program? |
| 08:58.42 | weasel00 | cd-rom has been running great... i tihnk the modul is disagreeing with it though |
| 08:58.44 | warhead | Nice.... |
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| 08:59.15 | warhead | weasel00 > You have IDE cable for ata133 or old? |
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| 09:00.00 | warhead | weasel00 > Try with new cabel if You have, or conect hd and cdrom on one cable. |
| 09:00.01 | liable | !install java |
| 09:00.01 | dpkg | First, read <java licensing>. Still here? Install the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about java-package. |
| 09:00.11 | liable | !java-package |
| 09:00.12 | dpkg | java-package is, like, a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp (the Linux (self-extracting file) NOT the RPM) ; fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; |
| 09:00.19 | liable | neuterspay: ^^ |
| 09:01.00 | warhead | weasel00 > Check, hdd master, cd slave and Goooo.... |
| 09:01.02 | weasel00 | warhead : this is a notebook .... i dont have thin cables lol |
| 09:01.16 | neuterspay | Yeah - did that though. That http://www.crazysquirrel.com/computing/debian/java.jspx site has been what I use to install it every time. |
| 09:01.26 | neuterspay | This is my 4th time installing Java on Debian Sarge 2.6 |
| 09:01.26 | warhead | weasel00 > Damn..........cd cleaner put in and gooo |
| 09:01.39 | neuterspay | And my 1st time with a problem. l;( |
| 09:01.44 | neuterspay | Thanks though. |
| 09:01.47 | warhead | weasel00 > CDROM on laptops....he he he |
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| 09:03.38 | tux | hi all |
| 09:03.56 | xirjs | when i try to install usbmgr debian/testing wants to remove hotplug ... any ideas how to prevent? |
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| 09:04.26 | tux | xirjs: i think it's safe to go on |
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| 09:05.13 | xirjs | tux: without hotplug the box doesn't check my wireless pcmcia card .. ;( |
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| 09:05.57 | Sprinterv2 | anybody else experienced problems with capi/hylafax after updating his sarge/testing this morning? |
| 09:06.29 | tux | xirjs: no clue. :) |
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| 09:06.55 | Supaplex | how do I create ascii armored pem files from binary ones, with either perl, or openssl? |
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| 09:07.05 | xirjs | tux: it's strange but i have to load the orinocomodule manualy ... any ideas? |
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| 09:11.30 | Cope | how can one get "find" to find hidden files? |
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| 09:11.48 | Gnea | find / -name "somefile" |
| 09:11.55 | Gnea | find / -name ".somefile" |
| 09:12.11 | tux | xirjs echo orinoco >> /etc/modules |
| 09:12.20 | Gnea | find / -name ".*" |
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| 09:12.28 | tux | maybe this could auto load the module |
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| 09:13.21 | Cope | Gnea: great, thanks |
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| 09:15.01 | ^Chance- | need some help |
| 09:15.06 | ^Chance- | trying to removing psa-imp ... ERROR while trying to Unable to get admin password |
| 09:15.26 | ^Chance- | i can't do apt-get -f install because that package fails being removed |
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| 09:17.48 | jas12343 | Hello quick question, just installed debian 3.1 and log in through the console, how do i get the Gui to come up? thanks |
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| 09:18.08 | tux | jas12343 startx |
| 09:18.12 | Zrin | jas12343: you have to install it |
| 09:18.13 | PerfDave | jas12343: Did you install a GUI? |
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| 09:18.20 | jas12343 | thanks |
| 09:18.30 | ^Chance- | Anyone ? |
| 09:18.34 | jas12343 | i am not sure, it said 135 packages installed |
| 09:18.48 | PerfDave | jas12343: When installing Debian, did you select the "desktop environment" task? |
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| 09:18.56 | jas12343 | it searched the cdrom for more and found some, then wanted to connected via http |
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| 09:19.02 | jas12343 | yes i did that |
| 09:19.33 | PerfDave | jas12343: Hmm, then you should have it installed. If it's not coming up automatically, you'll need to find out why; /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
| 09:19.39 | jas12343 | me things i didnt install quite right! startx does not exhist |
| 09:19.47 | jas12343 | thanks! |
| 09:20.59 | priscila | jas12343: i think you have install xserver-xfree86 to use xfree! |
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| 09:21.09 | Sp4rKy | hi |
| 09:21.16 | Sp4rKy | what's the command to take a screenshot |
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| 09:21.31 | PerfDave | Sp4rKy: Personally, I use GIMP to acquire screenshots. I'm sure that there are other ways. |
| 09:21.32 | jm_ | !tell Sp4rKy -abotu screenshot |
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| 09:21.57 | PerfDave | jm_: abotu? aybabtu! |
| 09:22.09 | priscila | Sp4rKy: i use import command, it's found in image-magick package |
| 09:22.18 | Malagmyr | scrot!!! |
| 09:22.34 | PerfDave | scrotnig! |
| 09:22.39 | Sp4rKy | ok thx |
| 09:23.06 | delmar | anyone here found any good tools that work.. for reading ext2/3 volumes under winxp.. specifically winxp64? |
| 09:23.26 | jm_ | PerfDave: dpkg has told him after correcting it ... |
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| 09:23.54 | neuterspay | Okay - I'm still not able to install java. java -version yields JVM not found: libjvm.so - libjvm.so |
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| 09:24.53 | ro0t | can someone with a linux-2.6 debian system check for me the sequence numbers from the three mount scripts in /etc/rcS.d (called mountall.sh, mountdevsubfs.sh and mountkernfs.sh)? |
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| 09:25.54 | jm_ | ro0t: appripriate postinstall script has the defaults |
| 09:26.15 | neuterspay | I'm not an inexperienced user, and I've set this up three times before on the same system the same way. |
| 09:26.18 | ro0t | jm_: yes but which one is that? because I moved some of those files, and I forgot the default setting! :( |
| 09:26.40 | jm_ | ro0t: initscripts ... |
| 09:26.49 | ro0t | great, I'll try that then, thanks! |
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| 09:30.29 | neuterspay | http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2005/12/msg00485.html is my solution |
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| 09:30.40 | neuterspay | You guys may see it someday happen to you |
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| 09:31.42 | PerfDave | neuterspay: Nah, I'm not silly enough to use Java *g* |
| 09:31.52 | maelcum_ | hi all, is it possible to get a avermedia dvb-t 771 to work with debian? |
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| 09:34.33 | PerfDave | maelcum_: Is it possible to get an Avermedia DVB-T 711 to work with Linux? :) |
| 09:35.05 | ^Chance- | Someone please help me |
| 09:35.14 | neuterspay | With? |
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| 09:35.20 | warhead | ? |
| 09:35.27 | neuterspay | OH GOD! |
| 09:35.30 | neuterspay | It's too late! |
| 09:35.31 | neuterspay | :( |
| 09:35.35 | neuterspay | We didn't help him in time. |
| 09:35.36 | neuterspay | And now... |
| 09:35.37 | neuterspay | he's... |
| 09:35.44 | tarzeau | jm_: i got it to work, thanks ubuntu server install... |
| 09:35.46 | PerfDave | !tell neuterspay -about enter |
| 09:35.55 | neuterspay | ;) |
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| 09:36.21 | ^Chance- | http://pastebin.com/588541 |
| 09:36.38 | ^Chance- | got an error there and can't get it fixed |
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| 09:37.28 | jm_ | tarzeau: :P |
| 09:37.40 | ^Chance- | i need to remove it somehow ! |
| 09:37.45 | fireba11 | ^Chance-: and what does that log say ? |
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| 09:37.53 | maelcum_ | PerfDave : yeah i'm just wondering - first dvb-t experience with linux here ;) |
| 09:38.24 | fireba11 | maelcum_: usually dvb is no problem |
| 09:38.28 | PerfDave | maelcum_: Well, a google for "debian avermedia dvb-t 771" shows promising results |
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| 09:38.48 | derek_57hgf | hello |
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| 09:39.34 | ^Chance- | fireba11 sae\me thing |
| 09:39.52 | derek_57hgf | how do I go about seeing the cpu temp on my amd64? |
| 09:40.06 | ^Chance- | fireba11 ERROR while trying to Unable to get admin password Aborting... |
| 09:40.33 | maelcum_ | fireba11, PerfDave : great, thank you, I'll give it a try :) |
| 09:40.36 | berzerka | deadcat: damn! filesystem check doesnt help... what do you mean by 'fucked up'? :) |
| 09:40.41 | berzerka | i mean the error occur somewhere specific. is this a filesystem error? a kernel error? maybe a terrible bug in smbmount? has anyone an idea |
| 09:40.44 | PerfDave | ^Chance-: Did you check the error log that it mentions? |
| 09:40.49 | ^Chance- | yes |
| 09:40.58 | ^Chance- | just said what error it gives |
| 09:40.59 | berzerka | ...error <must> occur... |
| 09:41.23 | warhead | ^Chance- > apt-get -f remove name_packages |
| 09:41.27 | PerfDave | ^Chance-: Which branch of Debian are you using? |
| 09:41.33 | ^Chance- | 3.1 |
| 09:41.35 | ^Chance- | stable |
| 09:41.52 | fireba11 | ^Chance-: now that's a stupid error message ^^^ |
| 09:42.03 | ^Chance- | indeed |
| 09:42.17 | PerfDave | ^Chance-: have you tried checking the BTS? |
| 09:42.22 | ^Chance- | BTS ? |
| 09:42.46 | fireba11 | !tell ^Chance- about bts |
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| 09:43.02 | Paivakil | `/part |
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| 09:43.26 | ^Chance- | nothing there |
| 09:43.30 | ^Chance- | just checked |
| 09:43.30 | warhead | ^Chance- > What You try remove from Debian? |
| 09:43.40 | ^Chance- | psa-imp < this is what i am trying to remove |
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| 09:43.49 | ^Chance- | installed it from a deb and forgot no-force-all |
| 09:43.59 | ^Chance- | and now it really messed up |
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| 09:44.36 | warhead | ^Chance- > I must go...sorry |
| 09:44.41 | PerfDave | maelcum_: Hmm, looks like there are two revisions with the same model name, and one of them is not well supported. |
| 09:44.56 | PerfDave | !info psa-imp stable |
| 09:45.48 | PerfDave | ^Chance-: Where did you get this psa-imp package from? It's not in Debian. |
| 09:45.49 | neuterspay | Can somebody please help me with my Java problem? Thought I had it but it's realllly messed up. |
| 09:46.03 | neuterspay | Or - actually probably a simple problem. |
| 09:46.29 | ^Chance- | PerfDave for plesk |
| 09:46.52 | PerfDave | ^Chance-: Sorry? |
| 09:47.07 | ^Chance- | plesk is a program but that doesn't matter |
| 09:47.13 | ^Chance- | how can i force remove it |
| 09:47.21 | ^Chance- | or at least make apt to skip checking it |
| 09:47.37 | PerfDave | ^Chance-: What is this "plesk"? |
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| 09:48.01 | ^Chance- | www.plesk.com |
| 09:48.24 | neuterspay | How can I get my machine to the state it was in before I attempted to install the Java .deb that I created from the .bin? |
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| 09:48.59 | derek_57hgf | apt-get remove --purge jave* |
| 09:49.02 | derek_57hgf | i guess |
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| 09:49.10 | derek_57hgf | java* |
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| 09:49.43 | PerfDave | ^Chance-: Why not ask Plesk for support if you're using their software? |
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| 09:50.00 | neuterspay | Thanks. |
| 09:50.11 | derek_57hgf | np |
| 09:50.15 | ^Chance- | doh I am asking how can i force remove a package from a debian system if it is broke |
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| 09:50.30 | hueh | neuterspay: If it's sun's JDK then the package may be "sun-j2sdk1.x" |
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| 09:51.02 | maelcum_ | PerfDave : I'll find out soon ;) |
| 09:51.02 | derek_57hgf | can someone please tell me how or if it is possible to see the cpu temp of a amd64 under linux? |
| 09:51.10 | nkuttler | ^Chance-: it's not a debian problem. however, fix the script in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 09:51.29 | PerfDave | derek_57hgf: Depends whether the chipset is supported by the kernel you're using :) |
| 09:51.40 | derek_57hgf | oh i see |
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| 09:51.43 | derek_57hgf | thanks |
| 09:52.02 | ^Chance- | nkuttler what can i do there ? |
| 09:52.16 | liable | derek_57hgf: if it is, its in /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/ |
| 09:52.23 | ^Chance- | can i remove the broken packages file name ? |
| 09:52.31 | weissi | derek_57hgf, normally this is possible via ACPI (command `acpi -V` or under /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/... (e.g. cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature)) |
| 09:52.56 | nkuttler | ^Chance-: find the line that causes the error in the postrm script and fix it |
| 09:53.08 | derek_57hgf | thanks guys,I will check that out |
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| 09:55.47 | derek_57hgf | how much is 35 C? |
| 09:55.56 | sport | 'wget -b' will make wget continue downloading even if I close putty window ? if not, what do I have to do? |
| 09:56.14 | nkuttler | derek_57hgf: google "35 celsius in fahrenheit" |
| 09:56.24 | derek_57hgf | celcius |
| 09:56.27 | derek_57hgf | ys |
| 09:56.34 | derek_57hgf | sorry |
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| 09:56.56 | derek_57hgf | i mean how much is 35 degrees celcus in fahrenheit |
| 09:57.21 | derek_57hgf | i just google it |
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| 09:58.10 | PerfDave | sport: Run it in screen is probably best. |
| 09:58.14 | nkuttler | derek_57hgf: oh. i though google does the conversion. google for a conversion table then. why do you ask? |
| 09:58.32 | derek_57hgf | ya i just found it on the google calculator thingy |
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| 09:58.41 | jeb_- | is there some channel her for french people? |
| 09:58.46 | PerfDave | !fr |
| 09:58.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, fr is Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debianfr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debianfr |
| 09:58.55 | derek_57hgf | says my processor is runnuing ar 35 celcius |
| 09:59.00 | AigleNoir | jeb: #debian-fr |
| 09:59.07 | nkuttler | derek_57hgf: that's pretty low |
| 09:59.19 | derek_57hgf | ya it must be wrong? |
| 09:59.27 | jeb_- | aigle: merci! |
| 09:59.36 | derek_57hgf | it says its at like 105 when I boot up |
| 09:59.37 | AigleNoir | de rien |
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| 09:59.53 | derek_57hgf | 105 degrees Fahrenheit |
| 10:00.24 | nkuttler | derek_57hgf: not necessarily. depends on your cooling i guess. |
| 10:00.29 | derek_57hgf | ya |
| 10:00.46 | neuterspay | Dude seriously. |
| 10:00.49 | neuterspay | This is pissing me off. |
| 10:01.03 | neuterspay | So what's the DIFFERENCE between installing sun java and blackdown java? |
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| 10:01.42 | derek_57hgf | you can just put java in /opt or something |
| 10:01.47 | derek_57hgf | no need to install it |
| 10:01.59 | derek_57hgf | then just make a symbolic link |
| 10:02.23 | fireba11 | neuterspay: put java there, set JAVA_HOME variable :-D |
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| 10:05.06 | AndorrAlex | where may I ask questions, as a beginner, about Debian? |
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| 10:05.21 | weissi | AndorrAlex, here :-) |
| 10:05.33 | angelo | hi, I can`t get my samba the share my printer ! ... lpr seems to fuck up .. whenever I use lpr it says "lpr: cannot open /var/spool/lpd/lp/.seq: Permission denied" What could that mean ? |
| 10:05.35 | weissi | AndorrAlex, sorry, sure :-) |
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| 10:05.51 | angelo | well I know what it means :P .. but what could solve/cause this problem ? |
| 10:05.52 | d4d0|work | fdisk, reports that the device is too huge (a SCSI Raid device), and that i should use READ CAPACITY. google didn't give me precise information what to do. anybody having a fix for that? |
| 10:06.19 | AndorrAlex | oh, ok, but I am really new in this |
| 10:06.29 | weissi | angelo, that the user as which lpr is running has no sufficient permissions on this directory |
| 10:07.00 | angelo | weissi how can I see which use lpr is running from ??? (btw I made .seq 7777 already) |
| 10:07.09 | d4d0|work | sport: i doubt you will find that on irc lol |
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| 10:08.18 | ^Chance- | nkuttler you are the man. |
| 10:08.26 | ^Chance- | gday` |
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| 10:08.45 | Overand | My ISP's DNS servers went down. If I edit my resolv.conf, what do I have to do for everything to start working again? Do I have to close down my open apps? Reboot? etc. |
| 10:09.04 | weissi | angelo, normally it's lp:lp |
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| 10:09.34 | d4d0|work | Overand: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 10:09.35 | PerfDave | Overand: You may need to restart some applicaitons |
| 10:09.49 | angelo | weissi .. oh I got that fixed now .. whats the best way to share a printer in smb via lpr ?? |
| 10:10.14 | AndorrAlex | how do I change resolution from 800x600 to 1024x768, as I have a aTI Radeon 9000Pro video card? |
| 10:10.28 | PerfDave | AndorrAlex: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 10:10.34 | neuterspay | I too have an ATI Radeon 9000 Pro |
| 10:10.51 | angelo | I got ATI radeon 9600 pro |
| 10:11.14 | neuterspay | I've got an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 256 mb but first the fan failed and I was going to RMA it |
| 10:11.19 | neuterspay | But then I started using Debian. |
| 10:11.38 | neuterspay | And I ended up selling it for $180 and spending the money on a half-pound of dry mushrooms. |
| 10:11.39 | neuterspay | :( |
| 10:11.58 | PerfDave | A half pound of dry mushrooms will give you better 3D than an ATI card. |
| 10:12.01 | weissi | angelo, I'd read the samba documentation or (perhaps better) google for the millions of how-to-print-over-samba-HOWTOs |
| 10:12.05 | neuterspay | rofl |
| 10:12.21 | angelo | weissi thnx |
| 10:12.24 | neuterspay | Never thought of that - trading graphics card for visuals. |
| 10:12.26 | neuterspay | lol |
| 10:13.12 | Overand | I don't know if I want to wait to see if they come back or not. |
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| 10:13.44 | ac3 | Hi |
| 10:13.52 | weissi | AndorrAlex, do as PerfDave told you, and then choose the resolutions you want to have in this dialog, if you chose more than one, you can change them with [Ctrl]+[Alt]+[+] and [Ctrl]+[Alt]+[-] (the [+] and [-]keys from the numpad!) |
| 10:14.24 | PerfDave | weissi: Or using "Screen Resize and Rotate" from the KDE menu :) |
| 10:14.42 | ac3 | is there some tool available that blocks a certain ip if a ssh bruteforce attack originates from it? |
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| 10:15.00 | PerfDave | ac3: Many |
| 10:15.04 | ac3 | :) |
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| 10:15.06 | intero | hi |
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| 10:15.25 | intero | know if there's a way to log ssh logins? |
| 10:15.31 | PerfDave | intero: /var/log/auth.log |
| 10:15.37 | intero | PerfDave: thanks! |
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| 10:16.00 | tux | ? |
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| 10:16.30 | PerfDave | ac3: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/187 |
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| 10:16.43 | PerfDave | ac3: Also, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/250 |
| 10:17.00 | neuterspay | http://pastebin.com/588572 |
| 10:17.04 | neuterspay | This may be part of my problem? |
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| 10:17.16 | jas12343 | hi quick question with debian install: i get the following after the install has searched my cdrom for packages: % [Connecting to security.debian.org (1.0.0.0)] |
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| 10:17.27 | azeem | I don't belive it. |
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| 10:18.02 | PerfDave | azeem: Please kline yourself kthnx ;) |
| 10:18.23 | tux | jas12343: the ip is 1.0.0.0? it must be invalid |
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| 10:18.31 | ac3 | PerlDave: thx |
| 10:18.38 | PerfDave | Oh man, that was funny :) |
| 10:19.29 | jas12343 | i didnt set it up to that, in the install is went through setting itself up via dhcp, and i didnt tell it to connect via http, i just selected cdrom as the source for the packages |
| 10:19.35 | neuterspay | What are the disadvantages to using blackdown instead of sun? |
| 10:19.43 | nkuttler | neuterspay: /msg dpkg install java |
| 10:20.14 | PerfDave | jas12343: Maybe run apt-setup as root. |
| 10:20.33 | neuterspay | I know how to install java - I'm having some heinous problems. |
| 10:20.46 | PerfDave | free-java-sdk! ;) |
| 10:20.56 | jas12343 | PerfDave: how do i do that, i am installing the OS still |
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| 10:21.15 | PerfDave | jas12343: When you get to a login prompt, log in as root and type "apt-setup" |
| 10:21.46 | PerfDave | jas12343: Note that the installer will *always* try to get security updates from security.debian.org |
| 10:21.55 | jas12343 | PerfDave: and how do i stop it from "testing apt sources" like it is now, just keeps going ans saying it timed out |
| 10:23.11 | PerfDave | jas12343: Possibly fix your networking setup so it can find security.debian.org? |
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| 10:23.39 | jas12343 | alright will give it a go! thank you |
| 10:24.11 | metaperl | my source distribution is resides in a directory called DBIx-DBH-0.09. The person who supplied a patch prepended old- and new- to his version of my directories and then created a patch file... what do I need to rename DBIx-DBH-0.09 to in order for this patch file to work: http://rafb.net/paste/results/yvoD3i26.html |
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| 10:26.00 | nukeu666 | i have 3 servers and want user/pass of all of them to work on the clients...so do i have to set all of them as master servers or some as slave? |
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| 10:27.54 | neuterspay | Does anybody else here use kuake? |
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| 10:28.59 | PerfDave | nukeu666: Sorry, can you explain your problem in more detail? I don't understand what you're trying to achieve. |
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| 10:30.25 | jas12343 | PerfDave: worked a charm after i set the network up properly! cheers! |
| 10:30.39 | quitte_ | hi. i'm having trouble with nfs. every now and then i get text file busy. seems locking isn't working properly. any idea how i can fix that? |
| 10:31.38 | daymoon | pls, how i can silent in irssi messages like 'has quit' and 'has left'? |
| 10:31.44 | PerfDave | jas12343: No worries, glad you're happy. |
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| 10:32.07 | opqdonut | nfs aka nightmare filesystem, no fscking security, or no files served, quitte_ :) |
| 10:32.23 | opqdonut | daymoon: /help ignore |
| 10:32.26 | PerfDave | daymoon: /help ignore |
| 10:32.28 | PerfDave | Bah |
| 10:32.29 | daymoon | thx |
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| 10:32.32 | quitte_ | opqdonut: that doesn't help me. i have to use it unfortunately |
| 10:33.08 | opqdonut | quitte_: sorry, can't help you, i myselfused it for about a year and just gave up |
| 10:33.29 | quitte_ | i guess i could just mount it with nolock. but i'd prefer if it actually worked |
| 10:33.32 | AndorrAlex | this command "dpkg-reconfig xserver-xfree86" where do I use it? in a prompt window? (please don't hit me, I'm a beginner) |
| 10:33.40 | opqdonut | weird lockups, implementations aren't always compatible etc. |
| 10:33.42 | jm_ | AndorrAlex: yes, in a terminal |
| 10:33.47 | sep | quitte_, you have nfs-common running on both server and client ? |
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| 10:33.56 | opqdonut | AndorrAlex: yes, in a terminal as root |
| 10:34.00 | quitte_ | sep: i'll check |
| 10:34.24 | PerfDave | I don't think I ever had any locking issues with NFS. Maybe I was just lucky. |
| 10:34.37 | AndorrAlex | I see... so i must try it before I log in as a user? |
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| 10:35.18 | quitte_ | sep: no i haven't i hope that'll fix it. thanks |
| 10:35.19 | opqdonut | AndorrAlex: well, you log in as root or use the command "su" as a normal user to get a root prompt |
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| 10:35.28 | jm_ | you can log in on several consoles, there's not just one, or use su |
| 10:35.31 | AndorrAlex | ok |
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| 10:35.44 | Fox | hi |
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| 10:35.48 | ChrisW | can I get sshd to listen to several pors? |
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| 10:35.50 | ChrisW | ports, even |
| 10:35.53 | PerfDave | ChrisW: Yes |
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| 10:36.02 | ChrisW | PerfDave: multiple port lines in sshd.conf? |
| 10:36.30 | jm_ | as the man page says |
| 10:36.44 | ro0t | I am running a fresh debian unstable install on my laptop, and I can run xorg fine, but when I try to launch an app as root inside my X window, it complains that he cannot find the display... when I launch the same app as my regular user, it works fine... anyone know a solution ? |
| 10:36.47 | PerfDave | ChrisW: man sshd_config |
| 10:36.59 | PerfDave | ro0t: Don't run X applications as root? |
| 10:37.02 | PerfDave | ro0t: /msg dpkg sux |
| 10:37.06 | Overand | well, the /etc/init.d/networking restart worked for basic stuff, still waiting for irssi's various server connections to re-try |
| 10:37.08 | sep | quitte_, and you have portmap (obviously) |
| 10:37.30 | Overand | YES |
| 10:37.32 | Overand | I LOVE LINUX |
| 10:37.34 | Overand | hahaha |
| 10:37.44 | opqdonut | ro0t: /msg dpkg sux |
| 10:37.50 | ro0t | PerfDave: does this thing work with sudo too ? |
| 10:38.29 | PerfDave | ro0t: No idea :) Why are you running apps as root anyway? |
| 10:38.53 | ro0t | PerfDave: sometimes you need to run a certain program as root, right ? like firestarter, or nmapfe, ... |
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| 10:39.06 | opqdonut | ro0t: if you want sudo as root you need to configure sudo to show the user env to the command |
| 10:39.19 | ro0t | opqdonut: oh, let me check that out |
| 10:39.30 | opqdonut | ro0t: i meant sudo X apps to work |
| 10:39.42 | opqdonut | dunno whati wasthinking when typingthat :\ |
| 10:39.48 | Overand | alright time to drive home |
| 10:39.49 | Overand | peace. |
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| 10:39.55 | opqdonut | ro0t: the option is !ENV_RESET or something |
| 10:40.04 | ro0t | opqdonut: and how do I do that? because on my previous computer, I can't remember configuring anything special for this to work :-s |
| 10:40.26 | opqdonut | ro0t: edit /etc/sudoers |
| 10:40.31 | SimonRaven | opqdonut: you can do fine tuning of the !ENV_RESET; not set that, and allow certain env vars through |
| 10:40.49 | liable | ro0t: if you have kde or gnome, they normally will ask for root password for those programs that need it. dont log into x as root though |
| 10:40.56 | opqdonut | SimonRaven: well, yeah, but for only onetruted user its usually okay |
| 10:41.00 | SimonRaven | i dislike not resetting the user env, so i compromise |
| 10:41.12 | ro0t | liable: I use fluxbox, and I try to run a command like this from a terminal: "gksudo nmapfe" |
| 10:41.17 | jm_ | !sux++ |
| 10:41.17 | SimonRaven | group/host/... alias |
| 10:41.38 | opqdonut | well thats an option |
| 10:41.45 | ro0t | jm_: but I don't use sux on my current computer, and it works perfectly fine without it, and without any special sudo settings |
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| 10:41.49 | neuterspay | Does anybody else here use blackdown? |
| 10:41.52 | SimonRaven | my sudoers file isn't just 2 lines and 8 lines of comments ;) |
| 10:42.06 | jm_ | ro0t: no, it works because environment is preserved, like you have been told |
| 10:42.25 | opqdonut | neuterspay: me |
| 10:42.25 | jm_ | neuterspay: I use Sun's JRE, but it's basically very much the same |
| 10:42.39 | nukeu666 | PerfDave i have 3 servers with all the user login info and 10 clients on a lan, i want ppl to be able to login from the clients using user/passwd stored on the servers |
| 10:42.47 | ro0t | jm_: but on this computer I never set any options to preserve the environment... and still it works automagically |
| 10:43.04 | opqdonut | nukeu666: look into nis or kerberos |
| 10:43.19 | opqdonut | ro0t: does it run debian? |
| 10:43.30 | ro0t | opqdonut: yes, debian unstable on my desktop, as on my laptop |
| 10:43.34 | nukeu666 | opqdonut nis i know...i dunno if to set all as master servers or slave servers |
| 10:43.36 | jm_ | ro0t: read DSA 946-1 |
| 10:43.53 | neuterspay | opq; You ever have any problems with it? What's the reason you have blackdown and not sun? |
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| 10:44.25 | opqdonut | nukeu666: depends on your setup, but i'd recommend one master and rest slaves, see the howto on tldp.org |
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| 10:44.30 | PerfDave | nukeu666: You want NIS or LDAP. |
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| 10:44.53 | PerfDave | ro0t: I don't have to run any X applications as root :) |
| 10:44.54 | opqdonut | neuterspay: dunno really, i just installed it and its been working great |
| 10:45.09 | ro0t | PerfDave: try running firestarter or nmapfe as non-root... |
| 10:45.11 | SimonRaven | yes please do read that DSA, i recommend everyone does so |
| 10:45.18 | opqdonut | neuterspay: mostly because installing sun would have been a greater bother ;) |
| 10:45.33 | nukeu666 | opqdonut do slaves send all their info to the master server? |
| 10:45.38 | neuterspay | Aha. |
| 10:45.41 | neuterspay | Thanks for the info. |
| 10:45.41 | PerfDave | ro0t: I don't use those applications, I use nmap and iptables :) |
| 10:45.46 | neuterspay | I did it cause of an error. |
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| 10:45.55 | neuterspay | That would have caused me to do a pretty large workaround. |
| 10:46.06 | opqdonut | hmm, no they query it from the master iirc. i'mnot a guru so check the net |
| 10:46.27 | opqdonut | PerfDave: same here :) |
| 10:46.42 | d4t2ilL4 | hello guys |
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| 10:46.47 | tux | helle |
| 10:46.50 | avaurus | hi |
| 10:46.55 | opqdonut | hi |
| 10:46.57 | tux | salut |
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| 10:47.19 | neuterspay | hallo |
| 10:47.36 | tux | gutentag |
| 10:47.58 | opqdonut | Mui. |
| 10:47.59 | avaurus | I tried installing debian sarge on my new server (adaptec serial-ata raid onboard and a 3ware 9xxx sata-raid controller) and when I start the setup of debian it says "no medium" |
| 10:48.09 | avaurus | so I modprobed "3w-9xxx" |
| 10:48.23 | avaurus | then I entered "return" to get back to installer |
| 10:48.35 | avaurus | but it still says "no medium" |
| 10:48.47 | avaurus | it's a raid5 setup |
| 10:48.54 | avaurus | with 1 hotswap |
| 10:49.06 | liable | avaurus: is the 3ware a new one? the driver isnt in the sarge kernel (or any yet i think) |
| 10:49.27 | avaurus | a newer one , yes |
| 10:49.48 | jm_ | did it actually detect your controller? |
| 10:49.53 | jm_ | liable: it is in 2.6.8 |
| 10:50.00 | neuterspay | Night everybody - thanks for helping me out. |
| 10:50.08 | liable | jm_: for the new 3ware controllers? |
| 10:50.10 | neuterspay | <3 |
| 10:50.36 | avaurus | jm_, well, dmesg does not list anything related to my 3ware controller |
| 10:50.47 | jm_ | liable: well it probably faces the same problem as other drivers - it can only handle cards supported at that time |
| 10:51.00 | jm_ | avaurus: cat /proc/partitions |
| 10:51.10 | avaurus | jm_, brb :) |
| 10:51.13 | joey_ | does anyone know if there's debian package for pythonutils ? |
| 10:51.13 | liable | jm_: a new one came out not long ago which isnt supported yet iirc |
| 10:51.15 | avaurus | I will try that |
| 10:51.30 | jm_ | liable: ohh |
| 10:51.36 | joey_ | http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/pythonutils.html |
| 10:51.38 | joey_ | this one |
| 10:51.39 | jm_ | avaurus: it also has info in /sys |
| 10:51.59 | avaurus | nothing :/ |
| 10:52.09 | liable | there are drivers, but not in kernel yet |
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| 10:52.20 | avaurus | I have modprobed the 3w-9xxx |
| 10:52.25 | jm_ | so you probably need a newer driver |
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| 10:52.35 | liable | avaurus: what is the card? |
| 10:52.41 | liable | model |
| 10:52.47 | jm_ | supermodel ;) |
| 10:52.50 | avaurus | hehe |
| 10:52.51 | liable | heh |
| 10:53.09 | avaurus | a 3w-9xxx, not sure which specific model atm. |
| 10:53.17 | d4t2ilL4 | damn my CDrom tray wont open |
| 10:53.32 | d4t2ilL4 | I check mount but doesn't look like its mounted |
| 10:53.43 | avaurus | jm_, is it possible to get the newer module onto the "disc"? |
| 10:53.49 | Eclipser | `eject` it? |
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| 10:54.06 | jm_ | avaurus: you can use a custom kernel with Debian installer, so yes |
| 10:54.13 | Eclipser | d4t2ilL4, mount it and unmount it? |
| 10:54.16 | liable | avaurus: ok, whats the adaptec onboard? the are usually sa1210's or so, and should be supported |
| 10:54.20 | joey_ | nobody knows ?:) |
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| 10:54.22 | jm_ | avaurus: there's Sarge netinst CD with 2.6.15 kernel, probably worth trying first |
| 10:54.34 | d4t2ilL4 | Eclipser, Okay |
| 10:54.36 | avaurus | jm_, ok, good idea |
| 10:54.50 | avaurus | liable, I don't want to use the adaptec onboard |
| 10:55.05 | liable | avaurus: but you can at least install... |
| 10:55.13 | liable | then swap shit around. |
| 10:55.31 | avaurus | ok, good point :) |
| 10:55.34 | jm_ | yeah it would be easier to get 3ware going that way |
| 10:55.48 | jm_ | unless 2.6.15 works of course |
| 10:55.56 | avaurus | liable, but the adaptec isn't detected, too :P |
| 10:56.08 | liable | whats the mobo? |
| 10:56.12 | d4t2ilL4 | Eclipser, I checked in the fstab, it says device is at /dev/hda but I can't mount it. Is there a way I can find out the path of the CDrom ? |
| 10:56.21 | avaurus | liable, no idea, it's a machine from supermicro |
| 10:56.22 | liable | avaurus: by lspci? |
| 10:56.34 | opqdonut | d4t2ilL4: check dmesg? |
| 10:56.36 | avaurus | liable, by dmesg |
| 10:56.42 | liable | avaurus: using the 2.6 kernel? |
| 10:56.44 | avaurus | yes |
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| 10:57.43 | avaurus | thanks for the tipps, I will let my client idle here and I am going for testdrive :) |
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| 10:57.51 | avaurus | so, brb |
| 10:58.01 | d4t2ilL4 | opqdonut, okay' |
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| 10:58.36 | jan_ | hello, do i have to run experimental to use NFSv4 on my debian installation? or can i add an experimental source and only 'upgrade' packages needed for nfsv4 ? |
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| 10:59.26 | jm_ | jan_: experimental is not a release, only selected packages are there -- /msg dpkg experimental |
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| 11:01.43 | netman1 | [IGNORE] test |
| 11:02.26 | jan_ | jm_: i see, so i have to make a list of all packages needed for nfsv4 and install them manually? |
| 11:02.57 | jm_ | jan_: no, you can use aptitude/apt-get |
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| 11:04.45 | g0th | hi, joe behaves strangely when I insert text, it incrementally adds spaces at the beginning of the line, like: a\n b\n c\n d\n..... |
| 11:04.56 | g0th | can I "disable" that behaviour? |
| 11:05.17 | g0th | besides, I specified "-tab 4" but when I press tab it adds only 2 spaces.... |
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| 11:06.11 | liable | lonewolff: ok, so put the windows drive back in, and install grub to the mbr of that drive. |
| 11:06.26 | g0th | the indent might be related to the -autoindent though |
| 11:06.37 | liable | stupid split window.. |
| 11:06.48 | g0th | but the joe text insert behaviour is really bad, I can't paste text into joe like that... |
| 11:07.03 | nkuttler | g0th: i doubt many people know about joe here. try #joe? or use vim |
| 11:07.10 | g0th | hehe |
| 11:07.13 | g0th | #joe is empty |
| 11:07.21 | opqdonut | hmm :) |
| 11:07.29 | g0th | almost at least |
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| 11:08.58 | ^Chance- | hi again |
| 11:09.22 | tux | hi |
| 11:09.23 | ^Chance- | is there a way to change the / partition withouth messing the system ? |
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| 11:09.45 | tux | how do you want to change it? |
| 11:09.47 | ^Chance- | like now i have 500 mb on it and i want 50 gb |
| 11:10.02 | Eclipser | 500MB is enough for / :) |
| 11:10.02 | g0th | I know that it works somehow with a certain option, but I forgot the name or what to do... |
| 11:10.12 | liable | copy it over, edit fstab and grub |
| 11:10.29 | ^Chance- | ? |
| 11:10.36 | ^Chance- | liable what ya mean ? |
| 11:10.39 | Eclipser | /usr, /var and /home on different partition |
| 11:11.04 | tux | Can we enlarge / without losing data? |
| 11:11.17 | Eclipser | it's not safe |
| 11:11.22 | liable | do you want to make it bigger or move to another partition? |
| 11:11.29 | ^Chance- | make it bigger ! |
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| 11:11.45 | tux | it's not saft ! |
| 11:11.52 | tux | s/ft/fe/ |
| 11:12.16 | liable | i havent ever had a problem resizing partitions, but yeah, it can end in tears |
| 11:12.41 | tux | liable: which tool can enlarge partition under linux? |
| 11:12.48 | jm_ | several |
| 11:13.05 | tux | cfdisk? |
| 11:13.06 | liable | parted, gparted, qparted |
| 11:13.16 | tux | is it safe? |
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| 11:13.27 | Fox | tux: use cfdisk if you want to loose all datas :) |
| 11:13.28 | liable | is crossing the road safe? |
| 11:13.48 | tux | liable: crossing the road is 99% safe :-) |
| 11:13.53 | jm_ | liable: you can't backup yourself like you can backup data :) |
| 11:14.01 | liable | true :) |
| 11:14.11 | liable | so its *safer* :) |
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| 11:14.47 | ^Chance- | so what tool to use ? |
| 11:14.53 | tux | is there a rough possibility of losing data using qparted. |
| 11:15.01 | avaurus | always :) |
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| 11:15.09 | ccamacho | hi |
| 11:15.11 | tux | ^Chance they say parted |
| 11:15.14 | liable | knoppix cd or some sort of rescue cd is usually the best bet |
| 11:15.17 | tux | ccamacho hi |
| 11:15.44 | liable | typo, it was qtparted.. |
| 11:15.44 | avaurus | jm_, it's installing :)...I wonder as it uses a newer kernel it it's still called "sarge"? |
| 11:15.57 | liable | yes |
| 11:16.10 | ccamacho | today after made apt-get dist-upgrade I started to get the following type of errors: Application initialization failed: this isn't a Tk applicationunknown color name "Black" |
| 11:16.16 | liable | a bastardised version :) |
| 11:16.29 | jm_ | avaurus: well yeah, but it also has some other packages upgraded |
| 11:16.40 | ccamacho | does anybody have any idea about what is that? |
| 11:16.43 | jm_ | avaurus: hopefully you'll have no troubles upgrading to Etch |
| 11:16.43 | avaurus | jm_, good :) |
| 11:17.01 | avaurus | jm_, it's worth a try, I think :) |
| 11:17.05 | jm_ | avaurus: indeed |
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| 11:17.11 | avaurus | I only need to run mysql, nothing else |
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| 11:17.37 | avaurus | my sweet mysql server will be alive this evening, I hope :) |
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| 11:17.50 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 11:17.50 | dpkg | i guess popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 11:18.13 | avaurus | I will report if it was successful or not |
| 11:18.21 | avaurus | brb |
| 11:18.26 | ccamacho | hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 11:18.37 | liable | !ep |
| 11:18.38 | dpkg | Stop!!! Using!!!! So!!!!! Much!!!!! Punctuation!!!!!!!!!!! It's ..... Irritating ..... As ..... All .... Hell!!!!!!!!!!! OK???" |
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| 11:19.03 | cuco | anyone tried the backports of kde? |
| 11:19.09 | ccamacho | maybe |
| 11:19.16 | fireba11 | probably |
| 11:19.36 | cuco | i was hoping to get a "yes, this works, but be aware of..." |
| 11:20.00 | fireba11 | !anyone |
| 11:20.00 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 11:21.13 | jm_ | when does ceBit start? Thursday? |
| 11:21.37 | liable | whats ceBit? |
| 11:21.48 | nkuttler | cebit.de i guess |
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| 11:21.59 | cuco | ok, lets try again. i would like to use the kde backports. has anyone tried it and has some bad/good experience with it? |
| 11:22.06 | sep | jm_, we'r taking the flight thurday, be there friday |
| 11:22.18 | jm_ | liable: big computer fair in Germany |
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| 11:22.44 | jm_ | sep: ahh you're going? nice |
| 11:22.44 | liable | oh. /me lives in the dark :) |
| 11:22.53 | fireba11 | jm_ almost .. biggest worldwide :-) |
| 11:23.08 | d4t2ilL4 | where can I find australian source for debian 3.1 amd64 ? |
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| 11:23.23 | lesshaste | what is the maximum number of swap partitions you can have? |
| 11:23.24 | jm_ | fireba11: wasn't sure if it's biggest, I know it's huge (my bro went there once) |
| 11:23.31 | liable | d4t2ilL4: what do you mean? |
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| 11:24.05 | sep | first time. fun to see how it is |
| 11:24.20 | minimec | Hi. Sorry to bother you with that. I want to add the fr_CH locale to my Sarge System with a Gnome Desktop. So I do 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' and choose my system languages. After generating the locales I try to start gnome in french. The system says 'language fr_CH' does not exist. What am I doing wrong. Am I blind? |
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| 11:24.45 | jm_ | lesshaste: why do you want to know the maximum value? |
| 11:24.57 | streuner | jm_: 9 - 15 march |
| 11:24.58 | lesshaste | jm_, for a rather wacky reason :) |
| 11:25.04 | streuner | jm_: Hannover |
| 11:25.42 | jm_ | streuner: right (stupid web page wants cookies ;) |
| 11:26.21 | lesshaste | jm_, Is it limited only by the number of partitions you can create? |
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| 11:26.41 | jm_ | lesshaste: good question, I know people have used 16 |
| 11:26.55 | lesshaste | jm_, is the number of partitions limited? |
| 11:27.07 | jm_ | lesshaste: yes |
| 11:27.13 | lesshaste | to? :) |
| 11:27.22 | lesshaste | I want to make 64 |
| 11:27.31 | jm_ | lesshaste: devices.txt explains that |
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| 11:27.43 | d4t2ilL4 | liable, Sorry I mean the Australian package source for amd64 |
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| 11:27.50 | lesshaste | jm_, ok.. but we don't know if that is the limit on the number of swap devices |
| 11:27.50 | liable | d4t2ilL4: the iso to install? |
| 11:27.55 | lesshaste | maybe I'll just experiment :) |
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| 11:28.14 | jm_ | lesshaste: yeah, I guess the answer lies in kernel sources |
| 11:28.23 | lesshaste | jm_, of course :) |
| 11:28.25 | d4t2ilL4 | liable, not the iso, like I want to install openoffice for the amd64 build |
| 11:28.55 | lesshaste | jm_, man mkswap says 32 :) |
| 11:30.11 | d4t2ilL4 | liable, or any other software packages, the only source I got is security.debian.org |
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| 11:30.20 | liable | d4t2ilL4: hrm, i dunno what the mirror deal is with 64, lemme look |
| 11:30.22 | d4t2ilL4 | liable, do you know if there's an australian |
| 11:30.49 | liable | !amd64 |
| 11:30.49 | avaurus | jm_, no luck |
| 11:30.53 | dpkg | it has been said that amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 11:31.01 | weissi_ | lesshaste, 63 is max according to linux-2.4.*/Documentation/devices.txt |
| 11:31.02 | jm_ | lesshaste: indeed, and MAX_SWAPFILES is set to 32, so it adds up |
| 11:31.04 | avaurus | jm_, the netinstall iso has a 2.4.x kernel |
| 11:31.18 | _mad_penguin | hello everyone |
| 11:31.31 | avaurus | hi _mad_penguin |
| 11:31.36 | lesshaste | weissi, 2.4 is very old :) |
| 11:31.45 | jm_ | avaurus: not the 2.6.15 one |
| 11:31.56 | avaurus | jm_, no, sorry |
| 11:32.01 | weissi_ | lesshaste, yeah I know, but it is std for debian/stable |
| 11:32.06 | d4t2ilL4 | liable, I found a openoffice 2.0 deb package but its i386, would it work on my debian amd64? |
| 11:32.16 | lesshaste | weissi, yes I know :) I thought no one use stable :) |
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| 11:32.32 | fireba11 | d4t2ilL4: no 64-bit version of OOo yet |
| 11:32.34 | avaurus | now I have a serious problem :P |
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| 11:33.04 | ne78 | What will happen if i install udev under a 2.4 kernel ? It seems udev is required to install a 2.6 kernel from backports ? |
| 11:33.12 | _mad_penguin | may i ask a stupid question |
| 11:33.14 | liable | d4t2ilL4: check the 64 page dpkg just gave, i am too lazy to look for you, but yeah, the 32 bit version should work. theres #debian-amd64 too |
| 11:33.34 | jm_ | ne78: you can use it with 2.4 too, but only older versions, new ones rely on new features |
| 11:33.38 | liable | why not, everyone else does :) |
| 11:33.45 | jm_ | _mad_penguin: you already have :P |
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| 11:33.49 | _mad_penguin | thanks |
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| 11:34.25 | liable | doesnt udev require > 2.6.7? |
| 11:34.53 | ne78 | How can i install a 2.6 kernel from a 2.4 sarge ? |
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| 11:34.57 | jm_ | actually you may be right, it relies heavily on /sys so not for 2.4 |
| 11:35.01 | _mad_penguin | i want to experiment with the debian distro and i'm gathering some info on it before i install it on my computer |
| 11:35.07 | jm_ | ne78: like you install any other package |
| 11:35.08 | ne78 | liable if udev requires 2.6.7 |
| 11:35.13 | _mad_penguin | what i want to know is the folowing |
| 11:35.28 | avaurus | jm_, another hint :)? |
| 11:35.29 | _mad_penguin | in what degree debian is user friendly |
| 11:35.42 | jm_ | avaurus: use 2.6.15 Sarge installer, what more do you need? |
| 11:35.45 | ne78 | jm_ ok first install the 2.6 from sarge then upgrade to backports ? |
| 11:35.52 | jm_ | ne78: but why backports? |
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| 11:36.02 | liable | ne78: you have sarge? if you install udev, thats ok, if you boot the 2.4 it just doesnt start udev. |
| 11:36.12 | _mad_penguin | i mean compared it to mandriva or suse for example or compared to slackware |
| 11:36.20 | d4t2ilL4 | liable, Oh wow, Thanks I didn't know there such a room :) |
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| 11:36.27 | avaurus | jm_, I have no idea where to get it |
| 11:36.40 | jm_ | avaurus: so ask me that -- /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.15 |
| 11:36.43 | ne78 | liable ah ok |
| 11:37.08 | AntaresIII | hi! it's my 1st time in here... my aptitude update (debian sid) wen't wrong: freezes after "running /sbin/lilo ..." Any ideas? |
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| 11:37.25 | weissi_ | lesshaste, you could try LVM if 63 is not enogh (but btw. what do you want with 63+ partitions=) |
| 11:37.35 | avaurus | hehe |
| 11:38.11 | lesshaste | weissi_, actually 63 will be fine.I am doing something very wacky :) |
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| 11:38.11 | lesshaste | weissi_, swapping to the RAM of other machines |
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| 11:38.19 | jm_ | lesshaste: there's a report on kernel trap where one feller says performance went down when using 16 swap partitions compared to 4 (and apparently 4 was faster for him than 1) |
| 11:38.40 | lesshaste | jm_, eek :( |
| 11:38.41 | lesshaste | thx |
| 11:38.54 | streuner | jm_: if *somebody* want infos - they get them |
| 11:38.57 | nonix4 | jm_: 16 swap partitions on channels that didn't contend each other? |
| 11:39.14 | weissi_ | lesshaste, ;-)) |
| 11:39.17 | jm_ | nonix4: no, I think it was all on the same drive (laptop) |
| 11:39.22 | streuner | jm_: ...nowadays... ;-) |
| 11:39.33 | lesshaste | weissi_, I have done it on a small scale (i.e. one other machine) and it is great fun :) |
| 11:39.42 | liable | why would you do that? |
| 11:40.01 | lesshaste | liable, who are you asking? |
| 11:40.07 | jm_ | streuner: I want infos on new Nvidia cards (7600 and 7900) but I doubt anyone can get them now :P |
| 11:40.26 | liable | lesshaste: well, you or whoever, but yeah, the multiple swap partitions. |
| 11:40.31 | weissi_ | lesshaste, over ethernet? and why do you need partitions to do that? |
| 11:40.45 | nonix4 | jm_: well, 4 being faster than 1 could simply be swap priorities + disk inner/outer side + incomprehensive testing |
| 11:40.50 | lesshaste | weissi_, I need swap devices... how would you do it? |
| 11:41.02 | lesshaste | liable, because I can only get 1GB from each machine it is swapping to |
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| 11:41.16 | AntaresIII | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:41.30 | netman1 | An at job that I schedule at now + 1 minutes from a script started from debian-installer sarge base-config/late_command, get's scheduled (log files prove it) but does not get executed. Job disappears. Same command runs ok from shellcommand. Anybody got any idea? |
| 11:41.31 | weissi_ | lesshaste, do you create tmpfs-devices on them machines and share them via nfs, or how do you do it? |
| 11:41.36 | liable | lesshaste: oh, swap over a lan? how much do you need? wtf are you doing? |
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| 11:42.01 | liable | AntaresIII: try running lilo again |
| 11:42.02 | lesshaste | weissi_, actually it is much cruder :) I am going to try http://www.it.uc3m.es/ptb/nbd/ this time |
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| 11:42.18 | lesshaste | liable, 64GB and why? Because the app is a disaster swapping to disk |
| 11:42.34 | AntaresIII | liable,: manually or running aptitude on this kernel image again? |
| 11:42.34 | jm_ | liable: http://kerneltrap.org/node/5247 |
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| 11:42.56 | liable | AntaresIII: manually |
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| 11:43.19 | Maximillian | e ai |
| 11:43.20 | lesshaste | weissi_, better link http://nbd.sourceforge.net/ |
| 11:43.34 | Maximillian | blz |
| 11:43.52 | lesshaste | "It was originaly thought that it is impossible to swap over TCP. It turned out not to be true - swapping over TCP now works and seems to be deadlock-free." |
| 11:43.55 | nonix4 | lesshaste: have you considered the solid state drives instead? (battery-backed ram) |
| 11:44.07 | lesshaste | nonix4, that isn't a zero pound solution :)_ |
| 11:44.08 | lesshaste | :) |
| 11:44.15 | lesshaste | nonix4, there is no budget for this |
| 11:44.30 | weissi_ | lesshaste, ;-) crazy shit! (the performance is _VERY_ bad (for swap), no??) |
| 11:44.31 | nonix4 | lesshaste: the usual scenario, eh... 100Mbps or slower networking? :-) |
| 11:45.01 | lesshaste | weissi_, actually.. when I tried it it slowed down by a factor of 10-100... which is compared to 10^5ish with the disk |
| 11:45.04 | lesshaste | so pretty good |
| 11:45.08 | weissi_ | lesshaste, but you can use /dev/nda[1-63], /dev/ndb[1-63], ... so you'll have more than 63 partitions :-) |
| 11:45.09 | jm_ | yeah I've used swap on NFS on my NeXT in NetBSD ;) |
| 11:45.12 | lesshaste | nonix4, 100Mbps yes |
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| 11:45.34 | quitte_ | hi. how can i get a list of all essential packages? |
| 11:45.44 | lesshaste | weissi_, ok.. but the OS still needs to be able to swap to them and I can't work out what the built in limit for swap devices is |
| 11:45.44 | AntaresIII | liable, ok this revealed the real problem. I cloned the drive for backup and now there are two identical volume ids, therefore lilo asks a question, which aptitude don't expect. I can change the ID, but how to recover the broken update? |
| 11:45.51 | nonix4 | lesshaste: I'm trying to convince local PHBs to spend that additional $5 per server for 1Gbps |
| 11:46.08 | lesshaste | nonix4, :) Add up the value of your time while you argue for it :) |
| 11:46.15 | weissi_ | lesshaste, 100mbits are max. 12,??MB/s and a good harddrive (DMA enabled) maked far more! |
| 11:46.32 | jm_ | quitte_: essential how? |
| 11:46.35 | lesshaste | weissi_, the problem is latency to the drive |
| 11:46.42 | lesshaste | weissi_, that is why it is 10^5 times slower |
| 11:46.54 | jm_ | quiit;you mean Essential flag? if so, then grep-available |
| 11:47.00 | lesshaste | actually it should be 10^6 times slower but we were lucky :) |
| 11:47.02 | weissi_ | lesshaste, then use usb-sticks, the have less latency ;-) |
| 11:47.06 | quitte_ | jm_: thanks |
| 11:47.08 | nonix4 | typical 100Mbps ethernet latency = 0.05ms, typical disk latency=? |
| 11:47.24 | lesshaste | weissi_, 64GB for zero money? :) |
| 11:47.29 | liable | AntaresIII: so if you fix it, try the update again? |
| 11:47.41 | weissi_ | lesshaste, ok :-) |
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| 11:48.12 | weissi_ | lesshaste, but it's very crazy anyway :-) |
| 11:48.17 | lesshaste | weissi_, basically the ping time is 0.15 ms roughly.. seek time on a hard drive is much worse than that and ping is an overestimate of "seek" time over the network. |
| 11:48.22 | nonix4 | Anyone managed to kill their USB drives by writing there too many times yet? |
| 11:48.25 | lesshaste | weissi_, yes :) |
| 11:48.27 | weissi_ | lesshaste, and you need 64G of Swap? |
| 11:48.35 | lesshaste | weissi_, 64GB of RAM yes |
| 11:48.42 | lesshaste | weissi_, well.. maybe 33 :) |
| 11:48.46 | lesshaste | weissi_, but something like that |
| 11:48.48 | weissi_ | lesshaste, crazy, what do you do? |
| 11:49.10 | lesshaste | weissi_, in this case two things.. a very large index for genetic data and a very large linear programming problem |
| 11:49.13 | liable | has to be something to do with pr0n |
| 11:49.17 | lesshaste | liable, :) |
| 11:49.26 | liable | :) |
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| 11:49.47 | lesshaste | weissi_, but you know.. I am intrigued by the usb stick idea... |
| 11:49.59 | AntaresIII | liable: this is a problem because aptitude "U" marks no packets. It seem to not remember the failed ones |
| 11:50.09 | lesshaste | weissi_, how much is 64GB of USB stick memory these days? |
| 11:50.11 | weissi_ | lesshaste, kewl :-) in this dimension crazy ideas are sometimes the only way to solve a problem :-) |
| 11:50.25 | nonix4 | ... remember that to store a 4000x4000x4000 voxel pic, you need 64GB |
| 11:50.26 | lesshaste | weissi_, especially with zero budget :) |
| 11:50.50 | nonix4 | (4k**3 == 64G) |
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| 11:51.33 | nonix4 | (that is assuming only 8 bits per voxel while 32 would be more realistic) |
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| 11:51.44 | weissi_ | lesshaste, hmm ~40EUR for 1GB |
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| 11:51.48 | lesshaste | got to go.. thx all! |
| 11:51.49 | liable | AntaresIII: so the kernl is in lilo.conf? |
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| 11:52.11 | liable | AntaresIII: aptitude upgrade |
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| 11:52.18 | liable | whats it say? |
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| 11:53.41 | avaurus | jm_, ok that customized thing worked, thanks a lot |
| 11:53.53 | AntaresIII | yes, I added it perfectly... let me explain: I updated my debin sid, and I had to kill aptitude because the /sbin/lilo hanged (due to the volume id problem) the killing left this three packets in a unkown state: linux-image-2.6.15-1-686-smp; |
| 11:53.53 | AntaresIII | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:53.53 | AntaresIII | ; kernel-image-2.6-686-smp |
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| 11:54.54 | liable | AntaresIII: aptitude -f install if it doesnt whine, you should be good to go. |
| 11:54.54 | nonix4 | AntaresIII: dpkg --configure --pending # classic "solution" to "every" problem? :-/ |
| 11:55.17 | AntaresIII | ok, i try the pending thin first ;) |
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| 11:56.37 | AntaresIII | nonix4, liable: problem is solved, thank you very much! |
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| 12:00.09 | liable | hola |
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| 12:07.28 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
| 12:07.42 | Fox_1_ | how can i make grub startup disk???? |
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| 12:08.31 | jm_ | Fox_1_: man grub-floppy |
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| 12:09.35 | nonix4 | If using reiserfs, how do I recover a previous version of a file right after it got overwritten? (w/ ext2fs that was possible, w/ reiser it should be possible even longer time afterwards, right?) |
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| 12:10.41 | ghatak | What are the solid alternatives to ISA 2004 from MS, that can do all what it can do ? |
| 12:11.15 | uwe | what file has the ips of dns servers in debian ? |
| 12:11.32 | jm_ | uwe: man resolv.conf |
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| 12:11.49 | uwe | thank you jm_ |
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| 12:14.15 | PerfDave | uwe: See also the resolvconf pakcage which allows you to specify DNS servers in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:16.45 | Zrin | is there a linux tool to certify (sign) pdf ... sth. like "certify-pdf cert.p7b <file.pdf >certified-file.pdf"? |
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| 12:18.01 | PerfDave | Zrin: Create a detached OpenPGP signature with gpg? |
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| 12:18.47 | Zrin | PerfDave: the recipients of certified invoices should be able to check the document in acrobat reader... |
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| 12:19.00 | Zrin | PerfDave: otherweise that would be the easiest way |
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| 12:21.37 | PerfDave | Zrin: Adobe has some built-in certificate thing? How are they able to trust the key with which the document was signed? |
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| 12:22.07 | Zrin | PerfDave: yes, they have root CAs certificates built in |
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| 12:22.48 | Zrin | PerfDave: in linux version of the reader you have to select which ones you trust; in win version they're trusted automatically... |
| 12:24.00 | Zrin | PerfDave: so for the recipient under win* it is enough to open the document in the reader to see if it is signed and if it was changed |
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| 12:25.13 | PerfDave | Zrin: But how do they trust the signing cert, or how does teh CA trust the signing cert? |
| 12:26.04 | Zrin | PerfDave: you generate a key pair, then you send the public key to the CA. CA signs your public key and returnes this certificate to you |
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| 12:27.05 | Zrin | PerfDave: now the recipient can check that your public key was signed by CA's private key by checking the signature with the CA's public key |
| 12:27.10 | bk_ankur | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:27.25 | Shadowcat | probably /dev/sd something |
| 12:27.56 | PerfDave | Zrin: But how does the CA know whether to sign the key? |
| 12:28.39 | Zrin | PerfDave: you go to the CA with your public key and your passport ... so by signign your public key they assure that it belongs to you |
| 12:28.53 | bk_ankur | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:28.55 | PerfDave | Passport? This thing uses MS Passport? |
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| 12:29.05 | Zrin | PerfDave: NO :)) real passport of course |
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| 12:29.20 | Zrin | PerfDave: I'll give you a link ... moment |
| 12:29.58 | Shadowcat | bk_ankur: I already answered your question |
| 12:29.59 | Shadowcat | READ |
| 12:30.01 | PerfDave | Zrin: So in other words, it's entirely useless :) |
| 12:30.09 | Zrin | PerfDave: http://www.thawte.com/secure-email/web-of-trust-wot/index.html |
| 12:30.52 | _joey | what's option for dpkg to remove a package using wildcard ? |
| 12:30.58 | Zrin | PerfDave: it is very usefull... in Europe an invoice sent by e-mail is not recognized if it is not signed |
| 12:31.08 | resiak | _joey: dpkg -r foo\* ? |
| 12:31.10 | Zrin | PerfDave: i mean signed digitally |
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| 12:31.37 | PerfDave | Zrin: I'm aware of that :) |
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| 12:32.27 | PerfDave | Zrin: But it's useless if you require a passport, since things can't then be signed by companies. It also involves handing your passport information over to an untrusted third party. The whole Thawte model doesn't really work. |
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| 12:32.47 | _spOOn_ | hey people, am having still having probs getting xorg working... |
| 12:32.48 | _spOOn_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:33.17 | _spOOn_ | yet i have installed libfreetype6 |
| 12:33.24 | azeem | _spOOn_: did you install x-window-system-core at least? |
| 12:33.26 | Shadowcat | probably means you haven't installed the proper fonts |
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| 12:33.34 | Shadowcat | and what azeem said |
| 12:33.36 | Zrin | PerfDave: you don't have anyone you can trust anyway (but God), so ... |
| 12:33.44 | Shadowcat | apt-get install x-window-system |
| 12:33.47 | Shadowcat | should include all of it |
| 12:33.57 | _spOOn_ | i don want all of it tho |
| 12:34.07 | PerfDave | Zrin: I trust a lot of people more than I trust Thawte or Adobe :) |
| 12:34.07 | _spOOn_ | i have xfs installed |
| 12:34.07 | resiak | x-window-system-core ? |
| 12:34.15 | _spOOn_ | as well as libfreetype6 |
| 12:34.16 | Shadowcat | _spOOn_: well you just proved that you're not skilled enough to install it seperately |
| 12:34.22 | Shadowcat | xfs has nothing to do with X |
| 12:34.26 | Shadowcat | xfs is a filesystem |
| 12:34.34 | azeem | x font server |
| 12:34.49 | Shadowcat | hmm |
| 12:34.55 | Shadowcat | !info xfs sid |
| 12:35.04 | Zrin | PerfDave: well that's a good point ... but it is important that the customers get digitally signed invoices :) |
| 12:35.07 | dpkg | xfs: (X font server), section x11, is optional. Version: 6.9.0.dfsg.1-4 (sid), Packaged size: 400 kB, Installed size: 892 kB |
| 12:35.07 | _spOOn_ | thats what i thought (x font server??) |
| 12:35.14 | Shadowcat | hmm... ok my bad |
| 12:35.18 | azeem | _spOOn_: you'll need to properly setup xfs then, I'd rather suggest installed the meta package though, unless this is for some really constaint system |
| 12:35.19 | _spOOn_ | thankyou |
| 12:35.20 | Shadowcat | but still... install the metapackage |
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| 12:37.31 | _spOOn_ | azeem: youd suggest i install x-window-system-core |
| 12:37.38 | azeem | yes |
| 12:37.59 | PerfDave | Zrin: Yes, but there are non-Thawte ways to do that :) |
| 12:38.11 | azeem | _spOOn_: you can still remove the fonts again when you eventually get xfs to rnu |
| 12:38.12 | azeem | run |
| 12:38.33 | _spOOn_ | i really didnt want to have to pull all that shite down |
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| 12:38.45 | _spOOn_ | i just wanted xfs and fluxbox |
| 12:38.52 | azeem | _spOOn_: then do it |
| 12:38.54 | Zrin | PerfDave: Thawte is just one of many, perhaps states should issue digital certificates togeather with passports ... |
| 12:39.08 | azeem | _spOOn_: it's just that not many people bother with xfs these days, so you're probably on your own |
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| 12:39.28 | _spOOn_ | what do most people use then? |
| 12:39.29 | PerfDave | Zrin: You assume that a government should be trusted to do it correctly ;) |
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| 12:39.57 | Zrin | PerfDave: not at all ... but you are forced to trust the gov anyway |
| 12:40.03 | Ronin | trust and government in the same sentence? |
| 12:40.09 | Zrin | :) |
| 12:40.12 | PerfDave | Zrin: How so? |
| 12:40.26 | Zrin | Ronin: togeather with force, of course |
| 12:40.37 | _spOOn_ | oxymoron |
| 12:40.41 | _spOOn_ | :P |
| 12:40.46 | Zrin | PerfDave: because of ministry of finances :)) |
| 12:42.28 | _spOOn_ | azeem: so, what are most people using then? |
| 12:42.36 | azeem | _spOOn_: the meta package |
| 12:42.42 | PerfDave | Zrin: What's that got to do with identity verification? |
| 12:42.43 | Zrin | PerfDave: it of course dependeing of the nature of information. If it is an invoice, the state has access to it anyway, so a certificate from the state would be o.k. |
| 12:42.48 | azeem | i.e. local fonts |
| 12:42.55 | d4t2ilL4 | whats a linker? |
| 12:42.57 | PerfDave | Zrin: No :) |
| 12:43.14 | azeem | d4t2ilL4: in which context?ö |
| 12:43.18 | d4t2ilL4 | You also need a link to your 32bit linker in the /lib path. Change in to directory /lib and create a link to the 32bit linker library of your chroot: (The name of the 64bit linker is ld-linux-x86-64.so.2) |
| 12:43.36 | d4t2ilL4 | azeem, in that context |
| 12:43.59 | azeem | d4t2ilL4: ld is the dynamic linker, which load shared libraries programs need on startup |
| 12:44.09 | azeem | s/load/loads/ |
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| 12:44.16 | Zrin | PerfDave: ok, I see your point. It is really better to let the customer trust your own root certificate. But I'm fighting the "it is too complicated" excuse for more that 4 years now... |
| 12:44.21 | d4t2ilL4 | azeem, in that case how can I create that linker? |
| 12:44.29 | d4t2ilL4 | I tried link but it says error |
| 12:44.41 | azeem | d4t2ilL4: you should create a (symbolic) link, not a linker, from that context |
| 12:45.01 | d4t2ilL4 | azeem, so its not link File1 File 2? |
| 12:45.13 | PerfDave | Zrin: I don't see why you want your own root certificate. You have a very secure identity verification with the client (you meet them physically at some point), so you can give them your public key then. |
| 12:45.20 | azeem | d4t2ilL4: it is, but rather 'ln -s' than link |
| 12:45.30 | azeem | d4t2ilL4: man ln |
| 12:45.57 | _spOOn_ | azeem: thanks for the help |
| 12:46.06 | d4t2ilL4 | okie i got it |
| 12:46.15 | d4t2ilL4 | azeem, thanks |
| 12:46.23 | azeem | d4t2ilL4: the two terms are confusing here, linking the linker... |
| 12:46.26 | Zrin | PerfDave: it seems that to really be too complicated for "normal" people |
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| 12:46.47 | azeem | d4t2ilL4: where is that documentation from? It maybe should get rewritten to be a bit clearer |
| 12:47.12 | PerfDave | Zrin: But more secure. And you can just get them to stick that key into Enigmail or something and verify the signature when they check their e-mail. |
| 12:47.15 | Zrin | PerfDave: it is just a few mouse clicks, but ... I think you understand |
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| 12:47.58 | PerfDave | Zrin: Given a tradeoff between minimal hassle for actual security, I'd go for security every time. After all, it's your arse on the line as the producer of these invoices if your security is broken. |
| 12:48.40 | Zrin | PerfDave: then, in some states like Germany, the signing system has to be approved by the state (not the keys, just the signing system / method) |
| 12:49.20 | Zrin | PerfDave: Adobe requested approval in Germany about a year ago |
| 12:49.33 | PerfDave | Zrin: And OpenPGP isn't approved? |
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| 12:49.52 | Zrin | PerfDave: I'm not sure, I'm not living in Germany |
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| 12:50.07 | PerfDave | Zrin: Fair enough. If it isn't, the German government is retarded :) |
| 12:50.13 | bk_ankur | Any utility similar to "kudzu" of redhat in debian ? |
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| 12:50.45 | Zrin | PerfDave: I think it is more like "did anyone request approval?" |
| 12:51.04 | PerfDave | bk_ankur: What does "kudzu" in RedHat do? |
| 12:51.17 | citral | bk_ankur: discover does that |
| 12:51.54 | jm_ | kudzu is packaged in Debian too |
| 12:51.55 | d4t2ilL4 | azeem, it was from the AMD64 docu |
| 12:52.02 | d4t2ilL4 | how to run chroot |
| 12:52.13 | d4t2ilL4 | https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id271960 |
| 12:52.49 | d4t2ilL4 | azeem, but maybe It is for guru, so they didn't needed to go in details for creating linker... |
| 12:53.11 | avaurus | jm_, oww, the iso works perfectly, but now next problem: I have 2 cpu's in that machine |
| 12:53.33 | avaurus | jm_, is there a way I can _now_ get linux 2.6.15 with smp support ? |
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| 12:53.59 | jm_ | avaurus: custom kernel or see if there's a SMP kernel on backports |
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| 12:55.23 | azeem | d4t2ilL4: did you point this out in #debian-amd64? I think this information should be for all users, not just gurus |
| 12:55.27 | avaurus | jm_, ok |
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| 12:57.43 | tux | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:01.12 | d4t2ilL4 | azeem, No i havent |
| 13:01.28 | azeem | d4t2ilL4: you should :) |
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| 13:02.36 | avaurus | jm_, http://www.backports.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.15-1-686-smp_2.6.15-5bpo1_i386.deb <-- is this what I am searching for :)? |
| 13:02.56 | vmx | hi, i can't open the "fill and stroke" dialog in inkscape. can anyone confirm that bug? (etch) |
| 13:03.11 | jm_ | avaurus: as long as its suitable for your CPU |
| 13:03.25 | azeem | vmx: did you check the bts, and maybe upstream's bug tracker? |
| 13:03.34 | avaurus | jm_, it is a xeon, so it will work :)... |
| 13:03.38 | jm_ | avaurus: it might make more sense to use say 686 or k7 kernels |
| 13:03.43 | jm_ | avar: in that case it's 686 |
| 13:03.47 | jm_ | avaurus ^^^^^ |
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| 13:04.03 | jm_ | avaurus: ignore me, it is 686 ... |
| 13:04.17 | avaurus | jm_ I really appreciate your help :) |
| 13:04.23 | tijn | how do i encode an avi file to a allround format? |
| 13:04.34 | Rapp | how do i insert a new init.d script in debian? i mean into the init system? is there something like insserv or the like? |
| 13:04.41 | vmx | azeem, i've looked at the bug page you get when you come from the qa site |
| 13:04.41 | jm_ | tijn: you mean convert it? |
| 13:04.48 | tijn | yea |
| 13:04.51 | jm_ | Rapp: man update-rc.d |
| 13:04.56 | jm_ | mencoder, transcode |
| 13:05.03 | Rapp | jm_, thanks! |
| 13:05.06 | tijn | its an raw avi |
| 13:05.08 | azeem | vmx: well, I don't rund etch so I can't reproduce, sorry |
| 13:05.19 | jm_ | there's no such thing as raw AVI - AVI is a container format |
| 13:05.36 | tijn | jm_- i know but its called raw |
| 13:05.44 | jm_ | tijn: by whom? |
| 13:05.51 | tijn | dvdrip |
| 13:06.09 | jm_ | doesn't make a whole lot sense |
| 13:06.14 | Rapp | there is a raw codec |
| 13:06.27 | Rapp | uncompressed RGB or YUV i think |
| 13:06.43 | vmx | azeem: do you run unstable? |
| 13:06.47 | azeem | vmx: stable |
| 13:06.53 | Rapp | tijn, use transcode or mencoder or ffmpeg |
| 13:06.54 | kepplar | Hi guys, wondering if anyone knows why I might not be able to detect my AMD 8132 chipset, and just my nForce Pro 2200 when using things like discover and lspci? |
| 13:07.04 | Rapp | ffmpeg might be the easiest. all are command line |
| 13:07.36 | jm_ | yeah but then it would be called RAW RGB* or RAW YUV* |
| 13:07.52 | Rapp | hm, i am not sure |
| 13:07.54 | Rapp | let me check |
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| 13:09.21 | Rapp | [avilib] V: 25.000 fps, codec=RGB, frames=1, width=320, height=256 |
| 13:09.28 | Rapp | says tcprobe for a raw avi |
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| 13:09.56 | Rapp | tijn, install transcode and use tcprobe -i file.avi to check which codec the AVI is. |
| 13:10.07 | tijn | rapp thnx |
| 13:10.11 | Rapp | also transcode can encode to many formats |
| 13:10.20 | Rapp | there is a lot of documentation for transcode available |
| 13:10.26 | tijn | i know, i need the most windows common |
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| 13:13.07 | cryndes | hi |
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| 13:14.00 | cryndes | im trying to edit the timeout from 10 to 100 with "echo 1 > /sys/class/firmware/timeout" but i get no premission with root |
| 13:14.31 | cryndes | when i edit with vim i get "Fsync failed" |
| 13:14.55 | cryndes | im trying to edit the timeout from 10 to 100 with "echo 1 > /sys/class/firmware/timeout" but i get no premission with root |
| 13:14.58 | cryndes | when i edit with vim i get "Fsync failed" |
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| 13:15.54 | evrenkan86 | which "iocharset" in /etc/fstab should i use to mount my fat32 winXP using turkish characters ??? |
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| 13:16.53 | passantino | hallo leute |
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| 13:17.08 | cryndes | passantino: #debian.de |
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| 13:17.23 | passantino | hallo |
| 13:17.25 | jm_ | evrenkan86: iso8859-9 looks like a good choice, unless it's unicode |
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| 13:18.11 | jm_ | yeah it says long filenames are stored in unicode |
| 13:18.12 | elirips | [rather OT] hello. is is possible to play mp3s on a 486DX2-50Mhz (16MB Ram), running Debian Sarge or maybe Woody, with some command-line mp3-player (no X)? |
| 13:18.19 | zaikxtox | hello. is there some way to do something like dpkg -l, but with the source mirror of each package, displayed? |
| 13:18.35 | zaikxtox | so i can be sure toclean a non functional old unofficial source |
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| 13:18.50 | jm_ | zaikt;apt-cache policy pkgname |
| 13:19.01 | zaikxtox | jm_, i gonna try |
| 13:19.02 | PerfDave | elirips: Probably, with mpg321 or similar. |
| 13:19.20 | PerfDave | elirips: You'll have more luck installing Woody with 16Mb RAM, the Sarge installer requires 24Mb |
| 13:19.41 | zaikxtox | jm_, with apt-cache policy i get full list? |
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| 13:19.47 | elirips | PerfDave: only the installer? So I could install Woody, and then do a dist-upgrade? |
| 13:20.20 | jm_ | zaikxtox: no, apt-cache policy without pkgname is different |
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| 13:21.00 | PerfDave | elirips: I believe that will work. |
| 13:21.29 | zaikxtox | i see |
| 13:21.36 | zaikxtox | ok. i will dig a little more |
| 13:21.47 | elirips | PerfDave: thanks, I'll give it a try. You think that 50Mhz is enough fast to decode and play mp3s (at bitrates beetween 128 and 256)? |
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| 13:21.56 | evrenkan86 | jm_, my linux is unicode |
| 13:22.17 | PerfDave | elirips: On a 486DX? It's certainly worth a go. |
| 13:22.22 | rlm | anybody please help. how setup Xgl on debian/sid? |
| 13:23.01 | weissi | elirips, I heard something of 75Mhz and 486dx2, but give it a try :-) |
| 13:24.25 | elirips | weissi: okay, then I just need to get rid of the harddisk at a later stage (noise) and write me some nice command-line tool to browse/play my collection of mp3s, and I have my mp3-station :) Thanks for your help |
| 13:24.32 | elirips | PerfDave: thanks for your help too :) |
| 13:25.18 | PerfDave | elirips: There are exisitng command-line media player applications, like mp3blaster |
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| 13:26.27 | weissi | elirips, yeah, mp3blaster is cool, cplay isn't bad, too |
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| 13:28.07 | jolly- | hello I have some problems with mounting usb stick |
| 13:28.12 | jolly- | getting this error |
| 13:28.13 | jolly- | mount -t msdos /dev/sda /mnt/ |
| 13:28.13 | jolly- | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda, |
| 13:28.13 | jolly- | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:28.13 | jolly- | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:28.13 | jolly- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:28.22 | jolly- | any ideas why? |
| 13:28.30 | elirips | weissi: i'll have a look at those. just need to find an ISA-ethernet card somewhere. |
| 13:28.36 | weissi | jolly-, DON'T PASTE! mount -t vfat /dev/sda /mnt -o iocharset=cp850 |
| 13:29.10 | jolly- | sorry |
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| 13:29.26 | weissi | jolly-, sometimes there's also a partition on sticks, then: mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt -o iocharset=cp850 |
| 13:29.38 | jolly- | that didnt work |
| 13:30.10 | weissi | jolly-, ok, then paste the output of `fdisk -l /dev/sda` to #flood |
| 13:31.30 | weissi | jolly-, ok, then `mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt` should work (perhaps append `-o iocharset=cp850`) |
| 13:33.10 | weissi | jolly-, it's /dev/sda1 <-- remember the "1" |
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| 13:33.10 | jolly- | yes i know |
| 13:33.10 | jolly- | i also sda1 |
| 13:33.11 | weissi | jolly-, and it still doesn't work? |
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| 13:33.15 | jolly- | *nod* |
| 13:33.15 | jolly- | :/ |
| 13:33.23 | vin` | is sd_mod loaded? |
| 13:33.52 | weissi | vin`, fdisk can access /dev/sda |
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| 13:34.01 | vin` | ah |
| 13:34.08 | weissi | jolly-, try `file -s /dev/sda1` and paste to #flood, please |
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| 13:35.23 | weissi | jolly-, ok, seems correct, what is the locale (language) of the windows version with which your formatted the stick? |
| 13:35.37 | zaikxtox | a simple question. how does i specify a selected version a package on apt-get install |
| 13:35.54 | zaikxtox | i wanna dbus-1 0.23.4-1 and a newer is installed. |
| 13:36.12 | jolly- | fat32 |
| 13:36.21 | wizzomafizzo | If I wanted to become a package maintainer, would I need an i386? |
| 13:36.27 | weissi | jolly-, no, no, the language (german, french, english, ...) |
| 13:37.04 | jolly- | ahh |
| 13:37.06 | jolly- | norwegian |
| 13:37.07 | jolly- | :P |
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| 13:37.34 | weissi | jolly-, ok, which codepage do you use there (in germany/france its Codepage 850, so cp850) |
| 13:37.36 | d4t2ilL4 | I get this message when I start kde, end_request: I/O error, dev hda, sector 0 |
| 13:37.39 | d4t2ilL4 | hda: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| 13:37.39 | d4t2ilL4 | hda: command error: error=0x54 { AbortedCommand LastFailedSense=0x05 } |
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| 13:38.12 | d4t2ilL4 | when I apt-get install and it requires CD, i can use my CDROM again... after that I cant mount it any more, any suggestion? |
| 13:38.13 | doublehp | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:38.15 | jolly- | mhm |
| 13:38.20 | jolly- | I have no idea wie :/ |
| 13:38.23 | weissi | jolly-, 865 :-) |
| 13:38.27 | jolly- | ok=) |
| 13:38.45 | weissi | jolly-, so try `mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt -o iocharset=cp865` ;-) |
| 13:38.54 | Shadowcat | doublehp: you can't write to NTFS |
| 13:39.25 | jolly- | :/ |
| 13:39.27 | jolly- | same thing |
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| 13:40.01 | weissi | jolly-, ok, then please paste the output of `tail /var/log/syslog /var/log/messages` to #flood ... |
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| 13:40.40 | doublehp | Shadowcat: I can ! Linus driver supports it if not change in size; alternate GPL drivers also suport change in size, but are not available in vanilla Linux |
| 13:41.00 | Shadowcat | doublehp: no you can't |
| 13:41.02 | Shadowcat | just drop it |
| 13:41.07 | weissi | jolly-, does it mount in windows??? |
| 13:41.11 | jolly- | yeah |
| 13:41.11 | Shadowcat | don't write to NTFS using the linux driver |
| 13:41.13 | Shadowcat | end of story |
| 13:41.15 | weissi | jolly-, SURE??? |
| 13:41.17 | jolly- | *nod* |
| 13:41.18 | jolly- | :) |
| 13:41.22 | jolly- | no problem at all |
| 13:41.39 | Shadowcat | doublehp: it says it supports it, whether or not it will completely corrupt your volume is a different matter |
| 13:41.52 | Shadowcat | and it probably will |
| 13:42.11 | zaikxtox | i have two versions available to install a package. how i tell apt-get which one i want? |
| 13:42.13 | jlmb | doublehp: back up your data and go for it! |
| 13:42.26 | Shadowcat | jlmb: haha |
| 13:42.30 | Shadowcat | I doubt he's that stupid |
| 13:42.33 | Shadowcat | but then again I may be wrong |
| 13:42.44 | jlmb | Shad0wcat: ;) |
| 13:42.44 | doublehp | jlmb: backup is done already ... matter is now to understand why for Linux 1024 is not equal to 1024 ! |
| 13:43.02 | Shadowcat | they're probably not the same size |
| 13:43.09 | Shadowcat | 1024kb can mean a lot of things |
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| 13:43.20 | Shadowcat | it might be larger than 1024 |
| 13:43.24 | jlmb | doublehp: sorry I must have missed part of the conversation. |
| 13:43.32 | Shadowcat | but not sufficiently large to bump it to 1025 |
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| 13:43.52 | Shadowcat | if you understood the binary number system you'd understand that what ls displays is just a rounding |
| 13:43.58 | jolly- | weissi are you stuck?:/ |
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| 13:44.05 | doublehp | jlmb: (14:38:55) doublehp_f: hy; I try to copy a file to NTFS; ls -l reports the same size: 1024 bytes, and cp complains: ntfs_setattr : changes in i_size not supported ; why would i_size change when both files are 1024 bytes ? |
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| 13:44.16 | smhar | hi all |
| 13:44.22 | Shadowcat | doublehp: I just explained why |
| 13:44.35 | weissi | jolly-, I NEVER saw that?!? |
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| 13:44.57 | weissi | jolly-, perhaps leave out the `-t vfat` part (mount /dev/sda1 /mnt) |
| 13:45.00 | krummie | hi, how can I downgrade from testing to stable? |
| 13:45.07 | Shadowcat | !downgrade |
| 13:45.07 | dpkg | downgrade is, like, not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. |
| 13:45.15 | jolly- | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
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| 13:45.25 | krummie | aha |
| 13:45.27 | krummie | thanks |
| 13:45.45 | smhar | I just finished installing debian sarge successfully, and I want the new firefox, so I downloaded the .tar.gz from mozilla site, now what to do to make it available to all users in my computer? |
| 13:45.51 | doublehp | Shadowcat: you did not explain why linux complains 1024 is not equal to 1024 ! driver complains about change in file size, when ls reports same size ! |
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| 13:46.04 | Shadowcat | doublehp: I just did |
| 13:46.06 | Shadowcat | read it again |
| 13:46.15 | PerfDave | smhar: Read the installation instructions that come with it? |
| 13:46.25 | Ronin | smhar: you dont want to apt-get install mozilla-firefox? |
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| 13:46.47 | weissi | jolly-, or try /dev/sda instead of /dev/sda1 ;-)) perhaps it's some kind of non-standard device ?!?? |
| 13:47.02 | smhar | PerfDave, the instruction in the readme file says extract and run, but I have 2 users in my pc |
| 13:47.02 | termo | uhm, I have a question about apt: how I do "apt-cache search" and see latest version/installed version like with gentoo-portage? |
| 13:47.25 | PerfDave | smhar: Since you're not using the software that Debian makes available, perhaps finding a firefox channel might be a better idea? |
| 13:47.25 | smhar | Ronin, apt-get doesn't have the 1.5.0.1 |
| 13:47.30 | jolly- | same shit |
| 13:47.32 | PerfDave | termo: apt-cache policy |
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| 13:47.37 | jolly- | weissi been there done that=) |
| 13:47.41 | termo | PerfDave: thanks |
| 13:47.49 | Ronin | smhar: do you NEED that version or do you just want it cause its the latest |
| 13:48.19 | weissi | jolly-, is it possible to reformat it using linux?? |
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| 13:48.28 | smhar | Ronin, I want it because it is the same one I have it in my windows install so I am used to it |
| 13:48.29 | jolly- | I can try |
| 13:48.34 | termo | PerfDave: so that would be apt-cache policy `apt-cache search blah` then? |
| 13:48.40 | jolly- | how do i format it in linux? |
| 13:48.55 | Ronin | smhar: personally id try the apt-get install first before you have the joy of compiling :) |
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| 13:49.06 | PerfDave | termo: No, apt-cache policy $package |
| 13:49.08 | Shadowcat | hah he'd have to goto unstable to get 1.5 |
| 13:49.19 | SerajewelKS | jolly-: what filesystem do you want? FAT32? ext[23]? reiser? |
| 13:49.20 | buffoon | jolly-: you can format with mkfs (man mkfs for more info) |
| 13:49.25 | smhar | Ronin, , it is not source, it is compiled binary |
| 13:49.35 | weissi | jolly-, fat32, if you still want to use it with windows |
| 13:49.43 | vazik | кто то руÑÑкий знает )? |
| 13:50.11 | SerajewelKS | jolly-: for FAT32 it goes something like: mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/hd.. |
| 13:50.12 | PerfDave | !ru |
| 13:50.12 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
| 13:50.14 | termo | PerfDave: ok, but that's only for one package, but I get the hang of it, thanks! |
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| 13:50.58 | weissi | jolly-, sorry, I have to go now (schools over), I have no more ideas..., SORRY |
| 13:51.20 | jolly- | np |
| 13:51.25 | jolly- | thanks alot for your help so far |
| 13:51.25 | jolly- | =) |
| 13:51.38 | weissi | jolly-, does it work? |
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| 13:52.27 | jolly- | hmm no |
| 13:52.28 | jolly- | :/ |
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| 13:52.55 | weissi | jolly-, hmm, try to ask anyone else, I never saw anything like that, cu (sorry) |
| 13:52.55 | quiet | what package contains scp?? i thought it was part of SSH? |
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| 13:53.00 | doublehp | Shadowcat: I hare read log twice ... you just say that ls may claim some rounds ... I am talking about ls -lh , but ls -l !!! not using human format, 1025 is said to be 1025 ... so, the only reason why 1024 would not be 1024 would be if encoding file content ... but if on eht same box a byte is 8 bits, I can see why 1024 would not be equal to 1024 ... and I have tried to alter the file adding a byte in it, and then it becomes 1026 b |
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| 13:54.45 | jolly- | ok:) |
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| 13:55.54 | tux | quite: apt-file search `which scp` |
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| 13:58.38 | epsilon | quiet: apt-cache search scp |
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| 13:59.42 | epsilon | anyway, you should take a close look on package ssh (which you have probebly already installed) |
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| 14:02.52 | quiet | epsilon, i needed scponly... thx |
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| 14:08.28 | nukeu666 | how doi prevent pipe files from attempted copy using scp? |
| 14:09.00 | nukeu666 | coz scp always freezes when it tried to copy a pipe |
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| 14:11.05 | giorgos | can i download and install an activeX on my linux system? |
| 14:12.35 | abrotman | maybe with wine .. running IE |
| 14:12.55 | riftman | there isn't a port of that, i think. You cant try emulatores like wine and cedega |
| 14:12.58 | abrotman | i thought they were going to make activeX work in gecko .. but hopefully that project failed |
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| 14:14.36 | nvz | this lady just settled my minor issue in like 5 minutes that I spent 8 hours trying to resolve on saturday |
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| 14:14.44 | nvz | these people are rediculous |
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| 14:15.39 | nvz | I am gonna send them their damn money and if I get another bill before May28 they are getting sued, I am not even calling in and bitching anymore |
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| 14:16.25 | ke6isf | nvz: collection agency? |
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| 14:16.36 | nvz | ke6isf: no sprint personal wireless |
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| 14:17.00 | nvz | ke6isf: you should see the bills they send me.. if you got bills like this you wouldnt pay them either. |
| 14:17.01 | ke6isf | nvz: ERgh, even worse. Cellphone company. Might suggest you send your warning in writing. |
| 14:17.22 | ke6isf | nvz: Lemme guess, they're making unsubstantiable charges. |
| 14:17.42 | nvz | ke6isf: no.. they wouldnt do that.. |
| 14:17.44 | nvz | heh |
| 14:17.58 | aliesky | hello all!, I need to know if can I install Debian Sarge from Windows or MS-DOS? |
| 14:18.12 | nvz | lets just say I am fairly certain their name is sprint, because when they have a customer service issue, thats just what they do |
| 14:18.25 | fireba11 | aliesky: uhm ... what are you trying to do ? |
| 14:18.30 | Ronin | aliesky: depends what you mean |
| 14:18.33 | jm_ | aliesky: why would you? |
| 14:18.34 | epsilon | aliesky: maybe with vmware or something |
| 14:18.38 | ke6isf | aliesky: umsdos comes to mind. |
| 14:18.42 | nvz | i am stuck chacing after them "hey wait, I want my money back!!!" |
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| 14:18.50 | aliesky | I don't have CD Lector |
| 14:18.50 | [Gentoo]Petrkr | hello |
| 14:18.53 | ke6isf | nvz: Man, I thought I had it bad. |
| 14:18.59 | aliesky | and I need start the instalation |
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| 14:19.01 | jm_ | aliesky: that doesn't change anything |
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| 14:19.10 | jm_ | aliesky: boot from a floppy/USB disk |
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| 14:19.57 | nvz | oh well I cant pay them now until thurs or friday.. cause they couldnt manage to satisfy me in the whole 8 hours I spent calling them time and time again on saturday |
| 14:20.02 | nvz | and I spent the money or something else |
| 14:20.03 | ke6isf | nvz: A few years ago, I had to shuck Global Crossing when I got a bit overdue, because they kept calling me when I made a payment arrangement via their computer. It took a letter warning them that this was a violation of collections law and that I would go to the Calif. PUC if they continued with their calls in order to make them not only stop, but to drop the debt on the floor. |
| 14:20.14 | fireba11 | aliesky: so you want to install debian to a box without CD-rom ? |
| 14:20.31 | aliesky | the floppy don't detect my HDD |
| 14:20.41 | fireba11 | aliesky: sata ? |
| 14:20.49 | berzerka | smbmount [...], cd dir, ls --> ls: permission denied. mount -t cifs [...] --> dir is not a directory! i believe that this error is known so please tell me where to find a / what the solution is. samba-3.0.14a, kernel-2.6.15. |
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| 14:21.17 | nvz | ke6isf: this issue was 99% customer service.. if they spoke english and listened I would have sent my payments on time |
| 14:21.27 | ke6isf | nvz: Oh no. India? |
| 14:21.39 | berzerka | deadcat said the system is fucked and i need to reinstall, can anyone affirm this? |
| 14:21.53 | nvz | ke6isf: but I couldnt get anyone to see things my way, which is if I pay this rediculous balance off, I dont have another bill until May 28 at the earliest |
| 14:22.04 | abrotman | berzerka: huh ? |
| 14:22.06 | nvz | ke6isf: yeah sounds like it anyhow |
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| 14:22.16 | abrotman | berzerka: maybe the perms on the mount point are wrong? |
| 14:22.21 | ke6isf | berzerka: Can you please elaborate? I see errors, but I don't know the context. |
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| 14:22.59 | berzerka | well, i mount three dirs using smbmount, two work normally, the thirs one doesnt. if i enter it and do an ls, it says permission denied. |
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| 14:23.03 | jm_ | deadcat told you that because you have mentioned completely different symptoms some 7 hours ago |
| 14:23.11 | ke6isf | nvz: I'd still send them a hard copy letter sent certified, explaining your pain and explaining what you want them to do. Classic bad service, and they only respond well to letters sent via even remotely traceable means. |
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| 14:23.20 | quitte_ | is there something like a ssh getty? so i can log in to a remote remote computer on the console directly? |
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| 14:23.40 | berzerka | if i go up again, do an ls, the corresponding line shows "---------? ? ? ? dir" flashing in red. bad sign i suppose.. |
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| 14:24.34 | aliesky | fireba11: IDE |
| 14:24.35 | riftman | quiet, why do you need that |
| 14:24.37 | nvz | ke6isf: yeah the fact that my phone got shut off, late fees, damage to me credit report..etc dont make me that happy.. not to mention they are only open during my bed time cause I work nights.. so its a PITA to even complain. |
| 14:24.46 | jm_ | quitte_: well there are devices that make it possible to do this via TCP/IP, simplest option would be to use serial console from another box |
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| 14:24.57 | ke6isf | nvz: Even better about the letter then. |
| 14:25.07 | fireba11 | aliesky: any errors ? |
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| 14:25.22 | berzerka | i am not able to unmount or do anything to the dir, as root. when i reboot, it is a normal directory again (i can create files in it, everything okay). when i try mounting with mount -t cifs, he says that 'dir is not a directory'! |
| 14:25.36 | ke6isf | berzerka: I presume you can't get to a syslog? And is that ls from the smbmounted directory or elsewhere? |
| 14:25.45 | nvz | ke6isf: plus I am still pissed about the fact that I bought my phone on 5:51pm Nov28 and I recieved a bill for Oct29-Nov28 .. I was suppose to get free services like web and stuff for a month... I got them for like 6 hours |
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| 14:25.52 | quiet | riftman, to scp a file.. |
| 14:26.03 | ke6isf | nvz: You have that in a contract? |
| 14:26.20 | ke6isf | nvz: Was it a sprint location, or a third party dealer? |
| 14:26.23 | berzerka | the strange ls if from the parent dir of the mount-point, it shows the two other mountpoints normally as dirs, and the one as question marks.. |
| 14:26.31 | berzerka | s/if/is |
| 14:26.56 | nukeu666 | scp freezes when trying to copy pipes...how cani prevent it from trying? |
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| 14:27.02 | berzerka | dmesg says nothing (strangely). |
| 14:27.09 | quiet | okay.. if i want to add a ttf font... i copy it to /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType/ yes?? Is there anything else i need to do? |
| 14:27.13 | ke6isf | berzerka: Not dmesg, syslog. |
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| 14:27.49 | nvz | ke6isf: was the local radio shack |
| 14:27.59 | berzerka | ke6ifs: /var/log/messages, rite? |
| 14:28.19 | ke6isf | nvz: For the free service, you gotta go after Radio Shack then. |
| 14:28.26 | ke6isf | berzerka: that and /var/log/syslog |
| 14:28.32 | berzerka | hey, there is actually something :) okay.... |
| 14:28.36 | ke6isf | nvz: For the CS issues, hammer on Sprint. |
| 14:28.59 | berzerka | "kernel: CIFS: Unknown mount option ,,,,," |
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| 14:29.39 | nvz | ke6isf: that first bill is suspect.. they supposedly prorated my taxes and usage.. but the bill was 91.22 and the activation was only $36 that means what.. to me that means they charged me $55.22 for 5:51pm Nov28-11:59 Nov 28 |
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| 14:31.57 | berzerka | ke6isf: my lines in /etc/fstab look like this: //rz-dc01/austausch$ /home/bzk/VR/mount/austausch cifs credentials=/home/bzk/.smb_pass,domain=RZ-WIN,file_mode=0660,dir_mode=0770,users 0 0 |
| 14:32.37 | nvz | ke6isf: the problem here is that when you are in a contract if you pay them, you are letting them get over on you, if you dont they ruin your credit, and one way or another if you dont owe them the money now, you will eventually.. and the way their CS is only open during 1/3 of the day 6 days a week and dont speak english the chances they will resolve the issue before then is slim |
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| 14:33.10 | ke6isf | nvz: That's why you gotta write them a letter. =/ |
| 14:33.22 | henk | Hi i issued a killall process and that proces is now hanging. It cuases the box to stop responding when i try to get the processlist... cat /proc/12345/cmdline makes the terminal hang (stops execution of the running task) (12345 is the procesnumber of the hangin killall pocess) I tried killing that proces with a number of different kill signals, but nothing works. Its a server i dont want to reboot for this... any ideas ? |
| 14:33.48 | ke6isf | henk: Tried kill -9, I presume? |
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| 14:34.08 | henk | ke6isf, sure |
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| 14:36.12 | ke6isf | henk: ...reboot. |
| 14:36.45 | abrotman | henk: kill the parent |
| 14:37.25 | henk | abrotman, hmm it going to be difficult to find out its parent i think but i;ll try |
| 14:37.30 | ke6isf | abrotman: assumes there's a parent, but likely. |
| 14:37.54 | dino4k | henk: or just let them alive |
| 14:38.07 | SerajewelKS | henk: pstree -p |
| 14:38.17 | henk | abrotman, the parent dies but the process keeps running |
| 14:38.20 | jms_ | hello, does someone own a soundblaster audigy2 NX ? |
| 14:38.33 | SerajewelKS | !tell jms_ about poll |
| 14:38.53 | abrotman | henk: do a pstree .. see what else is related |
| 14:38.58 | jms_ | hmm ok |
| 14:39.03 | jae | anyone have a good domain registrar recommendation? Don't need bells and whistles, just someone handling domains, nothing more (backup MX might be nice to have) |
| 14:39.23 | berzerka | okay, about the smb problem: if i issue the exact same mount command with the one directory (which is exported from the same server), it works normally, if i take the other one: mount error 20 = Not a directory; Refer to the mount.cifs(8) manual page (e.g.man mount.cifs) (which doesnt help me) |
| 14:39.56 | tomas__ | jae: loopia.se will do it for free. unlimited subdomains etc |
| 14:41.00 | jae | only problem seems to be I don't speak swedish ;) |
| 14:41.26 | tomas__ | hehe. afraid.org |
| 14:41.30 | SerajewelKS | jae: yahoo domains is alright if you use zoneedit to manage it |
| 14:41.49 | pipeline | jae: If you don't care about bells and whistles, then the only thing that matters is price, no? |
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| 14:43.00 | abrotman | jae: do you run your own dns? |
| 14:43.03 | jae | pipeline: yup... and Terms of Service (I read the godaddy ToS, and couldn't stop shivering...) |
| 14:43.22 | fireba11 | jae: hehe |
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| 14:43.27 | pipeline | jae: They're all creepy. |
| 14:43.35 | jae | Will run my own bind if that's what you mean (first time I have an actual server on the net) |
| 14:44.07 | dbe | how do I restart SSH? |
| 14:44.12 | jae | pipeline: godaddy's seemed more creepy than the TOSes I knew (OTOH, first registrar TOS I read) |
| 14:44.22 | fireba11 | dbe /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 14:44.23 | SerajewelKS | dbe: ssh or sshd? |
| 14:44.48 | dbe | SerajewelKS, sshd |
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| 14:44.55 | SerajewelKS | dbe: /etc/init.d/sshd restart |
| 14:44.55 | fireba11 | add a d then ^^ |
| 14:45.04 | SerajewelKS | !lose fireba11 |
| 14:45.04 | dpkg | fireba11: You Lose. |
| 14:45.12 | erratic | hey mang |
| 14:45.18 | dimir | !nickometer ram_ram_ram__awa |
| 14:45.19 | dpkg | 'ram_ram_ram__awa' is 99.430% lame, dimir |
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| 14:45.46 | berzerka | dbe: the server? |
| 14:45.47 | berzerka | dbe: /etc/init.d/sshd restart |
| 14:46.10 | dbe | fireba11, berzerka, SerajewelKS, No such file or directory /etc/init.d/sshd restart /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 14:46.26 | berzerka | dbe: are you using debian? |
| 14:46.31 | abrotman | dbe: cd /etc/init.d/; ls ssh* |
| 14:46.36 | erratic | fuck this stupid network |
| 14:46.36 | fireba11 | dbe: did you install it at all ? |
| 14:46.44 | SerajewelKS | hmm, it is /etc/init.d/ssh |
| 14:46.51 | dbe | berzerka, yes, Etch |
| 14:46.58 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: yes it is |
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| 14:48.05 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: that seems wrong |
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| 14:49.18 | fsa | hello, can someone help me changing my resolution? |
| 14:49.24 | SerajewelKS | !drxx fsa |
| 14:49.24 | dpkg | fsa: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 14:50.51 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: why? |
| 14:50.59 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: file a bug! |
| 14:51.11 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: ssh != sshd |
| 14:51.11 | dbe | fsa, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 for xfree86 |
| 14:51.18 | SerajewelKS | !lose dbe |
| 14:51.19 | dpkg | dbe: You Lose. |
| 14:51.22 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: no kidding .. you tink? |
| 14:51.30 | fsa | ty dbe |
| 14:52.00 | berzerka | has anyone an idea how the strange mount behaviour (smb,cifs, see above) could arise? |
| 14:52.48 | pipeline | berzerka: The moon is in the wrong phase. You're using kernel 2.6. You didn't chant the right stanzas in order. |
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| 14:53.20 | Supaplex | and he forgot the k-y jelly |
| 14:53.36 | berzerka | it seems like a really severe error, because when using smbmount, afterwards the filesystem information seems completely corrupted ls -l directory --> "---------? ? ? directory". |
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| 14:53.55 | nvz | SerajewelKS: its all a matter of perspective do you need help finding the other place to stand to see it from the other angle? |
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| 14:54.19 | SerajewelKS | nvz: what? |
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| 14:54.34 | berzerka | pipeline: dude, try solving the error, then you can make jokes. |
| 14:54.36 | pipeline | berzerka: My suggestion would be to reboot. |
| 14:54.41 | pipeline | berzerka: I'm actually not kidding. |
| 14:54.44 | fireba11 | berzerka: something is seriously messed up then .. you're faster to export your package list and reinstall than searching for the error probably |
| 14:54.57 | nvz | SerajewelKS: the package name is ssh, so in order to keep things organized properly the init.d script is named after the package like everything else in debian. if the package is food the script is food, if the package is foo its just foo |
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| 14:55.18 | berzerka | fireba11: well, im normally not the 'just reinstall' guy.. would like to know what went wrong there.. |
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| 14:55.40 | SerajewelKS | nvz: then, as i have often wondered, why are ssh and sshd not in different packages? what if i want the client and not the server? |
| 14:55.42 | fireba11 | berzerka: of course but there could be a lot of reasons |
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| 14:55.58 | berzerka | pipeline: already rebooted several times. after reboot the error is gone (dir is a normal directory again, i can create files etc.) but when i issue a mount, same as before. |
| 14:56.01 | xored | when is a stable version planned with php5 and apache2 so libc6 etc ? |
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| 14:56.20 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: you took a look at the package size ? |
| 14:56.23 | nvz | SerajewelKS: I've thought about that before myself. but you see ssh is actually more of a suite.. there is more than even just the client and server |
| 14:56.24 | SerajewelKS | xored: WIR, SIYH |
| 14:56.26 | pipeline | xored: Planned? In a few months. Really coming? Several years. |
| 14:56.39 | fireba11 | berzerka: also, you could try a reinstall |
| 14:56.40 | nvz | SerajewelKS: you got the keygen, agent, scp..etc |
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| 14:57.06 | SerajewelKS | pipeline: it's planned in a few months? |
| 14:57.09 | nvz | SerajewelKS: it would follow standard protocol to package things individually but under the circumstances it would be silly |
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| 14:57.14 | fireba11 | !tell berzerka about reinstall |
| 14:57.29 | Miesco | How do I install wine |
| 14:57.33 | xored | pipeline: so there is nothing comming up next 2 month ? Ieam just wanna switch to a stable debian on my server running webhosting. But i will need php5/apache2, tomcat and mysql >= 4.1 |
| 14:57.40 | nvz | Miesco: apt-get install wine |
| 14:57.43 | ke6isf | OK, that's weird. My server - which is slower than my workstation - started on the apt-get upgrade for tar this morning two seconds after I started it on my workstation, took 26 seconds to download (versus 3 on the ws), and finished before my workstation. =O.o= |
| 14:57.44 | SerajewelKS | nvz: well i would think at least the client stuff and the server could be done individually |
| 14:57.55 | pipeline | xored: I would just use "Testing" and have done with it. |
| 14:58.01 | Miesco | nvz: wine: Depends: libxxf86dga1 but it is not installable |
| 14:58.12 | SerajewelKS | xored: or use stable and backport php5 |
| 14:58.17 | ke6isf | xored: It is planned to be released when it is ready. |
| 14:58.19 | nvz | SerajewelKS: then you would need a base or common package and it would be more work than it was worth |
| 14:58.19 | SerajewelKS | xored: apache2 is in stable |
| 14:58.22 | xored | pipeline: but testing and security is not realy on "thought" |
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| 14:58.41 | SerajewelKS | nvz: not necessarily, sshd could depend on ssh |
| 14:58.42 | xored | SerajewelKS: hmm, didnt found php there :/ |
| 14:58.42 | ke6isf | Miesco: What version of Debian? |
| 14:58.48 | Miesco | Sarge |
| 14:58.53 | ke6isf | !info libxxf86dga1 sarge |
| 14:58.54 | nvz | Miesco: can you post your sources.list in a pastebin? |
| 14:58.55 | pipeline | xored: Nope, you have to actually keep up to date. Thems the rocks. |
| 14:58.58 | berzerka | fireba11: well maybe you're right i will do that, but anyways it must be locatable whether this is a general kernel issue, a smbfs kernel module error, a bug in smbmount/mount.cifs, a filesystem(ext3) error or whatever.. |
| 14:59.00 | SerajewelKS | xored: then you looked in the wrong place. stable has apache2 and php4 |
| 14:59.01 | xored | ke6isf: i hate that sentnece until i use it for myself :) |
| 14:59.02 | ke6isf | Miesco: Let's see where it is. |
| 14:59.11 | pipeline | xored: You can't have the latest software AND a stable distribution. e.g. the gap between CentOS/RHEL and Fedora. |
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| 14:59.27 | pipeline | xored: I mean, having things not change means not changing them, you know? |
| 14:59.29 | xored | pipeline: php5 is not really "latest" |
| 14:59.30 | berzerka | fireba11: and i always tend to find such things out, else i cant sleep in peace :) |
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| 14:59.42 | nvz | SerajewelKS: heh. if it depended on ssh there would really be no reason in making it separate. |
| 14:59.47 | fireba11 | berzerka: you could check filesystem ... also it sounds more like a error in a file than an actual bug |
| 14:59.52 | ke6isf | Miesco: It's weird, I was able to install wine with no problems. Let's see something.... |
| 14:59.54 | SerajewelKS | xored: for the last time, fucking backport php5 and be done with it |
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| 15:00.09 | pipeline | xored: Looks like backports.org already has php5, but I don't really like to deal with backports.org... |
| 15:00.11 | SerajewelKS | nvz: ... unless you want the client without the server |
| 15:00.14 | xored | SerajewelKS: relaxe ? |
| 15:00.20 | berzerka | fireba11: already did an fsck.ext3 -f -c, nothing worth mentioning.. |
| 15:00.24 | ke6isf | Miesco: (wine) Depends: debconf (>= 1.2.0), libwine (= 0.0.20050310-1.1), xbase-clients (>= 4.0) | xcontrib |
| 15:00.24 | xored | pipeline: whats bad on that ? |
| 15:00.26 | Miesco | ke6isf: http://pastebin.ca/44775 |
| 15:00.34 | dino4k | xored: just write etch (aka testing) in your source.list and you will have the testing branch, if its get stable you have stable :p its planed for "Mon 4 Dec 06" imho |
| 15:00.37 | SerajewelKS | xored: stop debating why stable is out of date. we know it's out of date. that's why it's stable. |
| 15:00.51 | xored | pipeline: the thingy is, i do not want to switch to libc6 as threr is no way back until know |
| 15:00.52 | nvz | SerajewelKS: yeah but they both require common things like ssh-keygen. |
| 15:01.13 | berzerka | deadcat, you there? |
| 15:01.20 | SerajewelKS | nvz: hence server depends on client -- if you have the server you certainly want the client, but it doesn't work the other way |
| 15:01.21 | xored | SerajewelKS: what the hell are you on about, man bad sleeping ? |
| 15:01.31 | ke6isf | Miesco: Try just getting it from the main repo. BTW, put "non-free" in your security updates. |
| 15:01.35 | pipeline | xored: that's what backports.org is for.... |
| 15:01.35 | xored | SerajewelKS: i do not debate, iam just trying to get some information |
| 15:01.42 | resiak | 11:33 Qball : a custom tree model. |
| 15:01.48 | resiak | bloody xfce4-terminal |
| 15:01.57 | nvz | SerajewelKS: how if I installed only ssh (client) are you saying just include the overlapping utils in the client package and package just the server seperate? |
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| 15:02.04 | SerajewelKS | xored: i gave you all the info you need. backports.org or do a simple sid backport. |
| 15:02.06 | xored | pipeline: ok, so there is no really use in waiting to switch |
| 15:02.08 | pipeline | xored: backports.org is a bunch of third-party folks who make packages of newer software for stable |
| 15:02.18 | SerajewelKS | nvz: that would be one way, sure |
| 15:02.21 | yalu | hello. how can I check with which version of NFS an NFS share is currently mounted? |
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| 15:02.24 | pipeline | xored: however, I still don't think they have things like mysql 4, you would be stuck with postgres or mysql 5... |
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| 15:02.30 | jpjp | hello. I need some help with setting up a Win NT server / Sarge dual boot. I've created a /boot (logical) partition and told the installer to install GRUB there. Then i've copied the bootsect.lnx to windows' c:\ and change the "boot.ini" accordingly. So the Windows' bootloader provides me with the choice of booting to Sarge, which i do, then the screen just displays "GRUB" and nothing happens. I've also told the sarge installer t |
| 15:02.35 | pipeline | yalu: If it doesn't say in the mount options, it's most probably NFSv2 |
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| 15:02.49 | yalu | pipeline: ok |
| 15:02.59 | xored | pipeline:i dont really need mysql 5, but anything older then mysql 4.1 is realy bad cause of fulltext and things |
| 15:03.42 | Miesco | Okay its working |
| 15:03.48 | xored | pipeline: so what would you prefer, installing a stable and partially upgrade to testing untile php5 runs or dont do it that way and better installing testing ? Use: Server, Webhosting, iam on secuirty |
| 15:04.06 | xored | iam = aim |
| 15:04.06 | nvz | SerajewelKS: I still think this is silly. but for the sake of the issue I will say that the idea has merit. mostly because its a concern to other people too the size of the base install, and being that ssh is standard this issue fits into many different categories. |
| 15:04.20 | pipeline | xored: You can't mix stable and testing. |
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| 15:04.35 | Supaplex | but it's so fun! %-) |
| 15:04.38 | pipeline | xored: You're intended to mix backports.org packages into testing. |
| 15:04.38 | xored | pipeline: i can but people told me not to do it in here |
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| 15:04.45 | pipeline | xored: No, that's not at all what he suggested. |
| 15:05.06 | xored | pipeline: ok so backpoerts and stqable or testing ? |
| 15:05.09 | pipeline | xored: It was suggested that you use *source* packages from testing/unstable to generate safe binary packages for sarge. Which is a pain in the ass. And that's what backports.org generally does. |
| 15:05.14 | SimonRaven | !bobbitt |
| 15:05.14 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
| 15:05.18 | pipeline | xored: You can't mix backports.org into testing, either. |
| 15:05.35 | SimonRaven | see note about bobbitt, above |
| 15:05.38 | pipeline | xored: backports.org and stable go together. That is backports.org's purpose. |
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| 15:05.56 | xored | pipeline: one second. Its possible to install stable sarge and then update php to php5 trough backports, right ? |
| 15:06.07 | xored | pipeline: sure, thats clear |
| 15:06.08 | nvz | SerajewelKS: you would really only be saving like 300-500kb and making extra work on the maintainer for really no good reason :P |
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| 15:06.49 | SerajewelKS | nvz: well for no other reason than the base install size and because /etc/init.d/sshd makes more sense |
| 15:06.51 | yalu | pipeline: hm, if I add -o nfsvers=2 to the mount command, the output of "mount" will show: (rw,mountvers=2,addr=192.168.0.57) as options |
| 15:06.52 | nvz | SerajewelKS: reducing the client package size by 20% if that |
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| 15:06.55 | xored | pipeline: My question is just, using a stable with backports to upgrade to php5 is rather a better idea as using testing from the start ( cause of security reasons) ? |
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| 15:07.04 | pipeline | yalu: Perhaps modern kernels have changed the default client nfs version to 3? |
| 15:07.05 | Supaplex | (simple sid backport)++ |
| 15:07.19 | SimonRaven | testing gets security updates, FYI |
| 15:07.30 | SimonRaven | but not as prompt, IME |
| 15:07.33 | pipeline | yalu: At any rate, when you make an NFS connection, the client will negotiate versions with the server, so if you don't actually /specify/ a mount version, there are lots of variables here :\ |
| 15:07.35 | nvz | SerajewelKS: well I'll tell you what, when you become the sshd package maintainer then we'll talk about it :P |
| 15:07.43 | yalu | no pipeline , it's the same no matter I go for 1, 2, 3 or 4 |
| 15:07.58 | nvz | because I will be filing bugs against your package to merge it back together cause it aggrivates me :P |
| 15:08.04 | nvz | heh |
| 15:08.12 | yalu | pipeline: but I want to be sure about which versions it is using. I am trying to compare performance and things like that |
| 15:08.32 | pipeline | yalu: Then specify the version. |
| 15:08.49 | pipeline | yalu: Also, keep in mind that Linux NFS sucks out loud :P |
| 15:09.06 | nvz | I dont validate your reasons for splitting up ssh and sshd into seperate packages, and I cant think of anything else to say about it than I have already said. So I am done. |
| 15:09.11 | Supaplex | SerajewelKS: you're free to maintain your own local version. btw, has anyone mentioned that 100GB+ capacity harddisks are available for less then a few nights stay at a motel/hotel ? |
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| 15:09.23 | userek | hi, how do i enable tcp connections in xorg? |
| 15:09.25 | SimonRaven | linux v4 sucks less |
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| 15:09.37 | yalu | pipeline: that is what everyone says. So I am investigating if it would be worth the trouble of migrating my nfs server to BSD |
| 15:09.41 | SimonRaven | userek: if you have to ask, don't, and /msg dpkg sshx |
| 15:09.45 | pipeline | Supaplex: Heh, good luck finding a hotel that costs less than a 100G hard disk for a /single/ night. |
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| 15:09.50 | yggdrasil | dr |
| 15:09.54 | pipeline | yalu: If /all/ it does is NFS, very probably. |
| 15:10.11 | pipeline | yalu: That won't fix client-side brain damage, though. Linux NFS, as mentioned, sucks ass. Both client and server. |
| 15:10.12 | userek | SimonRaven, what the hell do you mean by 'if you have to ask, don't' |
| 15:10.23 | SimonRaven | what i said |
| 15:10.29 | yggdrasil | does anyone know howcome when ssh into my box and im at home i dont get disconnected but at work i get disconnected after like 10 minutes ? |
| 15:10.59 | yggdrasil | of inactivity that is |
| 15:11.01 | userek | SimonRaven, if you have to talk, shut up |
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| 15:11.08 | SerajewelKS | Supaplex: what if my IDE channels are all full =P |
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| 15:11.12 | SimonRaven | userek: fuck you too, have a nice day. |
| 15:11.12 | nvz | userek: that means that if you could do something you shouldnt have to ask. If you ask its probably too dangerous|complex|sophisticated for you. |
| 15:11.17 | SimonRaven | *plonk* |
| 15:11.22 | nvz | userek: heh, thats a good one ;) |
| 15:11.43 | Supaplex | SerajewelKS: call a waaaahhhhmbulance :) |
| 15:11.46 | userek | oh too complex |
| 15:11.51 | userek | sorry mr guru |
| 15:12.02 | SimonRaven | idjit .... trying to be helpful, and tells me to shut up. NO I WILL NOT SHUT UP |
| 15:12.04 | nvz | userek: what are you trying to do anyhow? |
| 15:12.04 | pipeline | SerajewelKS: Your IDE channels should never be full, as putting two devices on one channel is evil. |
| 15:12.12 | userek | run looking glass |
| 15:12.25 | nvz | no idea what that is |
| 15:12.26 | abrotman | that's not in debian |
| 15:12.33 | SerajewelKS | pipeline: wow, sorry but that is an incredibly stupid statement |
| 15:12.34 | epsilon | huch, tar DSA? sounds scary |
| 15:12.36 | abrotman | it's Sun's Linux desktop crap |
| 15:12.38 | userek | is suns 3d desktop |
| 15:12.40 | nvz | abrotman: his question was about Xorg though |
| 15:12.46 | pipeline | nvz: Java + OpenGL make your windows flip around backwards :P |
| 15:12.54 | nvz | pipeline: heh |
| 15:12.57 | nvz | gawd |
| 15:13.10 | nvz | Java and OpenGL should never be . |
| 15:13.14 | pipeline | nvz: It's pretty silly, really. It just turns every window into a postit note on the backside. |
| 15:13.19 | pipeline | nvz: Heh, that's actually not at all true. |
| 15:13.25 | pipeline | nvz: Java OpenGL is really pretty damn fast. |
| 15:13.35 | nvz | I find that hard to believe |
| 15:13.37 | pipeline | nvz: Java, in general, is pretty damn fast at simple number crunching. |
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| 15:13.45 | abrotman | !looking glass is Sun's 3d Linux Desktop at http://www.sun.com/software/looking_glass/ |
| 15:13.45 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 15:13.58 | SimonRaven | a GUI stuff, it's slow as hell |
| 15:14.01 | SimonRaven | at* |
| 15:14.20 | pipeline | nvz: There are two things that make Java look slow: AWT (*shudder*) and idiot programmers (instantiating objects is expensive; idiot programmers usually don't realize this.) |
| 15:14.21 | yalu | lol |
| 15:14.21 | PerfDave | PLG doesn't work with Free Java, does it? |
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| 15:14.26 | nvz | yeah just about any java app I have ever used was slow and buggy |
| 15:14.28 | pipeline | PerfDave: Free Java is crap. |
| 15:14.34 | nvz | must be the programmers.. heh |
| 15:14.42 | PerfDave | pipeline: Less crap than non-Free Java :) |
| 15:14.43 | pipeline | nvz: It's probably AWT. AWT was forged in hell. |
| 15:14.44 | pipeline | PerfDave: No. |
| 15:14.55 | PerfDave | pipeline: Yes, it's Free :) |
| 15:14.58 | yalu | abrotman: is that considered abusive behaviour towards computers? |
| 15:14.58 | yggdrasil | does anyone know howcome when ssh into my box and im at home i dont get disconnected but at work i get disconnected after like 10 minutes of inactivity? |
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| 15:15.10 | pipeline | PerfDave: GCJ's native code output, on its best day, is twice as slow as Sun java. And Sun's java is hardly best-in-class :\ |
| 15:15.16 | abrotman | yalu: depends how the NFS admin feels about it :) |
| 15:15.17 | PerfDave | pipeline: But it's Free :) |
| 15:15.20 | nvz | pipeline: whatever those things like limewire, azureus..etc were done up in |
| 15:15.27 | pipeline | nvz: And, for added bonus pain, Swing, the replacement for AWT, still uses AWT for rendering ;_; |
| 15:15.35 | yalu | abrotman: I feel good about it and I installed that machine for the sake of testing nfs performance |
| 15:15.50 | PerfDave | yggdrasil: Possibly something between home and work is blocking TCP keepalives, and you need to enable in-band keepalives? |
| 15:16.01 | yggdrasil | hmmm could be |
| 15:16.04 | yalu | a slow server, fast client,... you get the idea |
| 15:16.07 | pipeline | nvz: Limewire uses Swing, which calls out to AWT. Azureus uses IBM SWT, which, while extremely unpleasant for the programmer, isn't painfully slow. |
| 15:16.13 | yggdrasil | ok but its not like an ssl server setting to time out ? |
| 15:16.19 | pipeline | nvz: The reason that Azureus is so slow is Java file I/O :P |
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| 15:16.31 | pipeline | nvz: It's literally creating and destroying a half dozen objects every time it writes to disk. Moronic design. |
| 15:16.38 | nvz | I banned that on my network |
| 15:16.52 | nvz | I hate that damn azureus |
| 15:17.02 | SerajewelKS | nvz: hah.. and how do you enforce THAT |
| 15:17.06 | pipeline | Did you ban azureus, or torrent in general? :P |
| 15:17.20 | pipeline | and if you think azureus is slow, look at how the Python torrent clients work *shudder* |
| 15:17.23 | jae | domain registrar: what do you people think of "IPowerWeb" (just reading their TOS, and I think I like it, and price is right too it seems) |
| 15:17.25 | resiak | rtorrent! |
| 15:17.26 | PerfDave | yggdrasil: Look for "time" in man ssh_config and man ssd_config |
| 15:17.29 | tillicollapse | qualcuno parla italiano? |
| 15:17.30 | pipeline | For all of Java's brain damage, there are definitely worse languages :P |
| 15:17.33 | yalu | ktorrent! (not bad either) |
| 15:17.33 | PerfDave | yggdrasil: Look for "time" in man ssh_config and man sshd_config even |
| 15:17.39 | nvz | you can hear slurping sounds as your cat5e cables start to impload.. and if you use wireless.. well lets just say you better nail things down. |
| 15:17.43 | SimonRaven | !italian |
| 15:17.43 | dpkg | i heard italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 15:17.44 | pipeline | yalu: isn't ktorrent a frontend to the python client? |
| 15:17.47 | PerfDave | rtorrent! |
| 15:17.56 | nvz | SerajewelKS: pain and torture |
| 15:17.59 | PerfDave | It's console-mode, it's C, it doesn't eat your RAM! |
| 15:18.06 | resiak | C++ |
| 15:18.11 | tillicollapse | thanks |
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| 15:18.38 | jpjp | hello. I need some help with setting up a Win NT server / Sarge dual boot. I've created a /boot (logical) partition and told the installer to install GRUB there. Then i've copied the bootsect.lnx to windows' c:\ and change the "boot.ini" accordingly. So the Windows' bootloader provides me with the choice of booting to Sarge, which i do, then the screen just displays "GRUB" and nothing happens. I've also told the sarge installer t |
| 15:18.48 | yalu | pipeline: no idea |
| 15:18.50 | SerajewelKS | PerfDave: once rtorrent has RC4 and NAT traversal for at least DHT, i will use it |
| 15:18.53 | userek | so is there any one-command-way to enable x tcp listen on 5000 port? :) |
| 15:18.57 | nvz | jpjp: haha |
| 15:19.03 | resiak | jpjp: truncated at "I've also told the sarge installer t" |
| 15:19.16 | nvz | jpjp: you are trying to make ntloader chan grub instead of the other way around? |
| 15:19.27 | PerfDave | SerajewelKS: NAT traversal is for suckers who use NAT and can't portforward :) |
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| 15:19.52 | nvz | jpjp: btw how the hell do you plan to run a dual boot on a server |
| 15:20.03 | SerajewelKS | PerfDave: how about those of us who aren't in charge of our firewall |
| 15:20.07 | jpjp | nvz: NTLoader ->Grub->Sarge |
| 15:20.24 | PerfDave | SerajewelKS: Then you shouldn't be trying to get around it without your network admin's approval ;) |
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| 15:20.37 | jpjp | resiak: "...I've also told the sarge installer to install GRUB on a floppy and i can boot just fine into Sarge with it. So what could the problem be ? I've also added a symlink to /boot ("cd /boot" then "ln -s . boot"), but to no avail. Can anyone suggest something ? thanks." |
| 15:20.44 | SerajewelKS | PerfDave: what, you think a university wants to set up a portforward just for me? |
| 15:20.46 | resiak | jpjp: Don't tell _me_ |
| 15:20.47 | epsilon | is there any daemon, which only listen on specific port(s), log every incoming connection and nothing more? |
| 15:20.47 | nvz | jpjp: id boot to grub first on the mbr.. ntloader resides on the windows partition it just has code in the mbr that passes control to it |
| 15:21.14 | PerfDave | SerajewelKS: *shrug* If you're not doing something that's forbidden by their TOS, why not? Though the thought of a whole University behind NAT is pretty ick. |
| 15:21.20 | SerajewelKS | PerfDave: it's not about approval, it's just the fact that not every student can request a portforward for their DHT |
| 15:21.28 | nvz | jpjp: I actually prefer lilo cause I havent taken the time to learn grub yet.. but anything is easier to work with than ntldr so I keep it behind my bootloader of choice. |
| 15:21.31 | PerfDave | SerajewelKS: Then your University procedures suck. |
| 15:21.42 | SerajewelKS | PerfDave: what, you think that's news to me? |
| 15:21.48 | SerajewelKS | PerfDave: still not my fault |
| 15:21.52 | pipeline | SerajewelKS: University procedures, by definition, suck. |
| 15:22.06 | pipeline | SerajewelKS: Otherwise it's merely a "school" and not a university. |
| 15:22.08 | SerajewelKS | pipeline: i am well aware of that, thank you |
| 15:22.09 | PerfDave | SerajewelKS: No, but there's no point bitching about software not supporting broken workarounds to broken workarounds because of it. |
| 15:22.16 | jpjp | nvz: the point for me is to keep NTLDR. |
| 15:22.23 | SerajewelKS | PerfDave: the fuck, i was not bitching |
| 15:22.38 | yggdrasil | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:22.38 | yggdrasil | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:22.38 | PerfDave | SerajewelKS: Sounded like it to me, perhaps you need to take a chill pill :) |
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| 15:23.02 | SerajewelKS | PerfDave: i was only saying that until it supports some features that i *need* i can't use it. what's bitchy about that? |
| 15:23.17 | pipeline | yggdrasil: I think it's -t vfat nowadays. |
| 15:23.20 | PerfDave | SerajewelKS: It was the way you put it :) |
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| 15:23.26 | pipeline | yggdrasil: And you also have to specify a mount point |
| 15:23.39 | yggdrasil | ahh |
| 15:23.40 | yggdrasil | thanks |
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| 15:24.32 | SerajewelKS | PerfDave: and re the whole "university behind nat sucks", how do you propose that we expose all of our student computers to the 'net when we don't have a big enough ip block to do that |
| 15:24.43 | nvz | jpjp: ntldr will stay regaurdless its on C: you are putting grub on the mbr |
| 15:24.46 | PerfDave | SerajewelKS: Request a bigger IP block :) |
| 15:24.49 | SlayerXP | SerajewelKS: timeshare of network cables. |
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| 15:25.14 | nvz | jpjp: NTLDR from my experience only installs a chainloader than loads itself from the partition with windows |
| 15:25.19 | SerajewelKS | SlayerXP: i mean directly.. give each student a public IP, as PerfDave suggests |
| 15:25.33 | SlayerXP | SerajewelKS: timeshare of network cables :) |
| 15:26.05 | PerfDave | SerajewelKS: Use IPv6! |
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| 15:26.47 | SerajewelKS | PerfDave: god you are an idealist |
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| 15:27.13 | userek | anyway is sshx and opened port 5000 by is extract thing? i've changed linke in sshd_config to X11Forwarding yes but port 5000 is still closed after restarting sshd and x |
| 15:27.19 | PerfDave | SerajewelKS: *shrug* Makes sense to have it in place sooner rather than later, if your Uni can't get a sufficiently large IPv4 block. |
| 15:27.46 | SerajewelKS | PerfDave: sufficiently large? you think ITS gives a whoop whether students can use bittorrent? |
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| 15:28.09 | PerfDave | SerajewelKS: I didn't say that. |
| 15:28.23 | SerajewelKS | PerfDave: so give one reason why students should have external addresses |
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| 15:29.01 | mishmash | I want to give a user root permissions, but how can i do that? |
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| 15:29.14 | SerajewelKS | mishmash: sudo |
| 15:29.31 | mishmash | what is sudo? |
| 15:29.36 | SerajewelKS | mishmash: man sudo |
| 15:29.52 | mishmash | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:29.52 | mishmash | No manual entry for sudo |
| 15:29.53 | mishmash | ;) |
| 15:29.58 | SerajewelKS | mishmash: apt-get install sudo |
| 15:30.03 | dino4k | mishmash: ask google |
| 15:30.09 | PerfDave | SerajewelKS: Because NAT is broken :) |
| 15:30.10 | mishmash | installing... |
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| 15:30.48 | mishmash | Well, what is want is an user connected with samba to the server, to see al the files |
| 15:30.53 | SerajewelKS | PerfDave: uh huh... sure... it works for outbound stuff fine. why should students need inbound connections? |
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| 15:31.07 | PerfDave | SerajewelKS: Have you ever tried to admin a large network behind a single IP address? |
| 15:31.12 | SerajewelKS | mishmash: so use smbclient |
| 15:31.30 | eps | PerfDave yes :( |
| 15:31.33 | mishmash | SerajewelKS: The client is windows :( |
| 15:31.33 | SerajewelKS | PerfDave: single address? we have about 15 external addresses that are load-balanced |
| 15:31.55 | SerajewelKS | mishmash: ah. yeah, so you want to set up a share over / with root permissions. |
| 15:31.58 | eps | SerajewelKS lucky you |
| 15:32.28 | mishmash | SerajewelKS: Yeah, that is exaclty what i want |
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| 15:32.31 | SerajewelKS | PerfDave: 15 external addresses specifically for the dorm network. the other external IPs are for the mail server, www server ,etc |
| 15:32.34 | PerfDave | SerajewelKS: Even worse. NAT is a pain in the ass to deal with. Your admins should want to get rid of it just because they have to work with it. |
| 15:32.39 | SerajewelKS | mishmash: that is an incredibly stupid idea |
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| 15:33.04 | SerajewelKS | PerfDave: i find NAT quite simple, but meh. you know best obviously. |
| 15:33.05 | mishmash | I know... But my boss wants it... |
| 15:33.15 | SerajewelKS | mishmash: tell your boss he's a moron |
| 15:33.17 | PerfDave | SerajewelKS: Have you ever tried to admin a large network behind a single IP address? |
| 15:33.24 | PerfDave | SerajewelKS: Have you ever tried to admin a large network behind a single IP address, or any kind of NAT? |
| 15:33.39 | SerajewelKS | PerfDave: i intern with the netadmins, so partially |
| 15:33.39 | mishmash | Haha, If i do that then i can go look for another job :P |
| 15:33.54 | PerfDave | SerajewelKS: Then if you don't know what a pain it is, you're either lucky or naive. |
| 15:33.59 | SerajewelKS | mishmash: that might not be a bad idea. obviously your boss has no knowledge of *nix security. |
| 15:34.15 | SerajewelKS | mishmash: does he want the share readonly or read-write? |
| 15:34.54 | mishmash | read only |
| 15:34.57 | fireba11 | mishmash: *curious* could you please repeat what your boss wants ? i feel like i missed the best part |
| 15:35.05 | SerajewelKS | mishmash: well that's not too bad, but still very stupid |
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| 15:35.19 | mishmash | My boss wants to use his windows machine to browse trough the linux machine |
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| 15:35.23 | SerajewelKS | mishmash: he wants a samba share over / as root |
| 15:35.27 | SerajewelKS | err |
| 15:35.28 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: ^^^ |
| 15:35.30 | yggdrasil | dam i cant format this drive |
| 15:35.53 | PerfDave | mishmash: Give him a copy of WinSCP? |
| 15:35.54 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS mishmash yikes ... |
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| 15:35.54 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: you know that will go poorly |
| 15:35.57 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: what will |
| 15:35.59 | abrotman | mishmash: why does he want the whole machine? |
| 15:36.03 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: samba share of / :) |
| 15:36.03 | mishmash | Winscp? |
| 15:36.11 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: yeah, didn't you see my reaction? |
| 15:36.13 | mishmash | I don't know, he likes being in control :P |
| 15:36.17 | abrotman | mishmash: why does he want this ? |
| 15:36.24 | abrotman | mishmash: does he pay you to be the admin ? |
| 15:36.30 | mishmash | yes |
| 15:36.39 | PerfDave | mishmash: It's a program, that will allow your boss to browse through the Linux machine from his Windows machine. |
| 15:36.39 | abrotman | mishmash: and is he an admin? |
| 15:36.42 | trc | anybody knows of a site where freelance programmers and employers can meet online to offer/bid on projects |
| 15:36.55 | SerajewelKS | PerfDave: except to be root there he will need the root password |
| 15:36.56 | abrotman | mishmash: i have the best idea evar! |
| 15:37.00 | mishmash | He's an admin, just not on *nix :P |
| 15:37.09 | abrotman | mishmash: setup a special chroot for your boss .. he'll never know the difference :) |
| 15:37.14 | mishmash | haha |
| 15:37.19 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: haha.. not bad |
| 15:37.24 | PerfDave | SerajewelKS: Or a passphrase-free SSH key. |
| 15:37.25 | abrotman | "Golly .. there's not much here .. " |
| 15:37.31 | SerajewelKS | PerfDave: yeah or that |
| 15:37.37 | mishmash | My knowledge doensn't go that far ;) |
| 15:37.40 | mishmash | yet :P |
| 15:37.45 | PerfDave | abrotman: "This Linux thing really *is* stripped down!" |
| 15:37.54 | abrotman | mishmash: sharing / over samba is a REALLY BAD IDEA |
| 15:37.56 | PerfDave | mishmash: debootstrap into /mnt/mybossisafuckwit :) |
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| 15:38.07 | mishmash | I know it's a bad idea! |
| 15:38.33 | abrotman | so don't do it |
| 15:38.35 | kspath_ | mishmash: give your boss a livecd and have him browse that |
| 15:39.13 | unstable | Anyone want to play tetris with me? apt-get install gtetrinet; and then start gtetrinet and connect to tetrinet.debian.net |
| 15:39.14 | abrotman | just give him ssh access .. no root access .. and let him poke around |
| 15:39.14 | mishmash | Ok, i'll ram that / outta him :P |
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| 15:39.14 | PerfDave | tetrinet-client! |
| 15:39.14 | abrotman | there is no reason to share / over samba .. or to give him root |
| 15:39.14 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i would totally make the chroot |
| 15:39.15 | mishmash | now for the other question, he also wants to read the /data drive |
| 15:39.40 | SerajewelKS | mishmash: surely he has better things to do than browse / |
| 15:39.42 | abrotman | mishmash: ok .. plan #2 .. give him root and let him destroy the box .. and wash your hands of it |
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| 15:39.53 | mishmash | I'll talk / outta him |
| 15:39.54 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: mishmash said he wants / read-only |
| 15:39.56 | abrotman | mishmash: basically .. your boss doesn't konw what he's doing .. he WILL fuck up the box .. don't do it |
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| 15:40.05 | beanz | Does anyone know where the networking init.d script is called from? |
| 15:40.13 | SerajewelKS | beanz: init |
| 15:40.23 | beanz | SerajewelKS: but there is no init script in /etc/rc2.d |
| 15:40.37 | SerajewelKS | beanz: find /etc -name '*networking' |
| 15:40.45 | m331 | hello :) |
| 15:40.46 | mishmash | SerajewelKS: There's also a drive on it called /data, he wants read access to that drive too |
| 15:40.50 | beanz | SerajewelKS: yep, and I get the one in /etc/init.d |
| 15:40.55 | mishmash | but the drive is property of root |
| 15:41.17 | SerajewelKS | mishmash: well tough luck for him |
| 15:41.17 | abrotman | mishmash: why? |
| 15:41.23 | mishmash | why what? |
| 15:41.32 | abrotman | mishmash: does he actually have any good reason for needing access to it? |
| 15:41.34 | yggdrasil | The device apparently does not exist; did you specify it correctly? |
| 15:41.34 | yggdrasil | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:41.34 | yggdrasil | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:41.37 | SerajewelKS | beanz: then it shouldn't be run on boot |
| 15:41.42 | abrotman | or is he just a sad sad wanker with nothing better to do? |
| 15:41.46 | mishmash | abrotman: to the /data, yes... |
| 15:41.55 | beanz | SerajewelKS: do you have a *netw* entry in rc2.d? |
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| 15:42.13 | abrotman | mishmash: use samba to share /data as read-only |
| 15:42.18 | m331 | what may cause the error "user root does not exist" while apt-get * ? Something wrong with dpkg's config? |
| 15:42.20 | yggdrasil | do i have to makedev or something. |
| 15:42.26 | mishmash | I've done that abrotman |
| 15:42.26 | SerajewelKS | beanz: no, it's in rcS.d |
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| 15:42.38 | mishmash | only, the user can't open any folders |
| 15:42.39 | fireba11 | "sorry boss, but for obvious security reasons i can't give you access to /" :-) |
| 15:42.42 | mishmash | access denied |
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| 15:42.53 | SerajewelKS | mishmash: you need to add 'force user = root' to the share |
| 15:42.53 | mishmash | hehe |
| 15:42.59 | mishmash | ok |
| 15:43.00 | SerajewelKS | mishmash: except that samba probably won't do that |
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| 15:43.15 | SerajewelKS | mishmash: since by default root is in the 'forbidden users' list, iirc |
| 15:43.21 | PerfDave | mishmash: Why not mount the partition so non-root users can access it? |
| 15:43.23 | trc | some wireless networks make you sign "I agree" button from the browser, which is invisible if you try from the command line to associate with the. Whats the solution then? |
| 15:43.37 | mishmash | PerfDave, that could be a solution |
| 15:43.41 | beanz | SerajewelKS: ok thanks |
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| 15:43.49 | mishmash | the only user that is really using the drive is mysql |
| 15:43.51 | SerajewelKS | trc: look at the page source and spoof the response it wants? |
| 15:43.55 | PerfDave | mishmash: Using root as little as possible is always good. |
| 15:43.57 | mishmash | the mysql database is on it |
| 15:44.00 | PerfDave | mishmash: You have mysql running as root? *fear* |
| 15:44.11 | mishmash | no, under user mysql |
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| 15:44.20 | fireba11 | mishmash: noone exept admins should ahve file access to a database !! |
| 15:44.27 | PerfDave | mishmash: So the partition isn't *only* accessible by root :) |
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| 15:44.57 | trc | Serajewelks: the problem is that in most cases i dont know where the page is (holiday inn, airports) until seen with other methods |
| 15:44.59 | mishmash | linux01:/data# ls -la |
| 15:44.59 | fireba11 | mishmash: what the hell does he want with it anyway ? watch the files grow ? |
| 15:44.59 | mishmash | total 17079884 |
| 15:44.59 | mishmash | drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 2006-02-23 11:31 . |
| 15:44.59 | mishmash | drwxr-xr-x 24 root root 4096 2006-03-06 19:52 .. |
| 15:44.59 | mishmash | drwx------ 2 root root 16384 2005-12-21 22:35 lost+found |
| 15:45.00 | mishmash | drwxr-xr-x 6 mysql mysql 4096 2006-03-06 19:37 mysql |
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| 15:45.22 | mishmash | lol, forgot the spam guard :P |
| 15:45.31 | Supaplex | !smite mishmash with pastebin |
| 15:45.35 | streuner | !tell mishmash about flood |
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| 15:45.43 | Supaplex | heh |
| 15:45.47 | mishmash | yeah yeah! |
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| 15:46.05 | mishmash | But as you can see, the /data belongs to root, and the folder mysql belongs to mysql |
| 15:46.08 | abrotman | mishmash: he wants read only to your mysql data directory? |
| 15:46.13 | mishmash | yes |
| 15:46.16 | abrotman | why? |
| 15:46.24 | abrotman | this is completely stupid ... |
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| 15:46.40 | junix|work | checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0 and < 4.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation! |
| 15:46.40 | junix|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:46.41 | fireba11 | abrotman: probably watching the files grow gets him to sleep fast or something .. ^^ |
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| 15:47.03 | Supaplex | m331: check /etc/passwd |
| 15:47.05 | roler | is anyone having problem watching flash that requires flash player 8? A lot of .swf files do now and I can only find flash player 7 for linux... :( |
| 15:47.05 | mishmash | I don't know :P I think he wants to use the share to make backups or something... |
| 15:47.11 | abrotman | junix|work: apt-cache search libqt dev |
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| 15:47.14 | resiak | !crabpastesmite Supaplex |
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| 15:47.25 | m331 | sup> done. seemed ok. |
| 15:47.35 | PerfDave | roler: I don't think Macromedia make Flash 8 available for x86 Linux, so you're out of luck. |
| 15:47.37 | fireba11 | mishmash: you're admin at your company ? |
| 15:47.46 | mishmash | one of the admins |
| 15:47.53 | roler | PerfDave; just making sure. It upsets me. :) |
| 15:48.05 | junix|work | abrotman: its not there |
| 15:48.06 | PerfDave | roler: *shrug* This is what you get with propriatery formats and software. |
| 15:48.10 | resiak | roler: Complain to (a)Macromedia, (b) the file author |
| 15:48.12 | abrotman | junix|work: yes it is |
| 15:48.15 | fireba11 | mishmash: then tell him there are some things he should not do .. it's part of your job to save users from themselves after all :-) |
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| 15:48.16 | Supaplex | m331: provided your passwd file isn't hosed, I'd check bts. the only time I've seen this is when the root user was renamed |
| 15:48.21 | junix|work | abrotman: in unstable? |
| 15:48.35 | Supaplex | mmm crabpaste |
| 15:48.39 | mishmash | Guys, please just tell me how i can give him access. I don't care if he fucks up the server... |
| 15:48.41 | mishmash | it's his server :P |
| 15:48.45 | abrotman | damn well should be |
| 15:48.49 | resiak | :( |
| 15:48.56 | junix|work | abrotman: it comes up with nothing.... |
| 15:49.07 | m331 | supaplex> root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash |
| 15:49.11 | valdyn | mishmash: how to give your boss complete access as root? |
| 15:49.16 | fireba11 | mishmash: could work to force user root in samba and do a read-only share of / ... |
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| 15:49.30 | abrotman | junix|work: apt-cache search libqt dev ? .. nothing? |
| 15:49.33 | Supaplex | m331: is this *cough* undocumented feature in bts? :) |
| 15:49.52 | abrotman | mishmash: samba |
| 15:49.55 | junix|work | abrotman: is there a dash in between libqt and dev? |
| 15:49.57 | mishmash | I want to give my bass read-only access to the /data and its sub-folders |
| 15:50.01 | mishmash | samba is already running |
| 15:50.06 | mishmash | but he can't access the sub folders |
| 15:50.08 | mishmash | access denied |
| 15:50.11 | abrotman | junix|work: no .. |
| 15:50.12 | junix|work | MEGATRON:/etc/syslog-ng# apt-cache search libtqt dev |
| 15:50.12 | junix|work | MEGATRON:/etc/syslog-ng# |
| 15:50.14 | Supaplex | !bts |
| 15:50.14 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
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| 15:50.23 | abrotman | junix|work: and this is a debian system ? |
| 15:50.32 | abrotman | junix|work: LIBQT .. not libtqt |
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| 15:51.20 | junix|work | abrotman: haha, i'm sorry |
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| 15:51.57 | Thug-N-Me | is there anyway to get my ipod installed in debian ? |
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| 15:52.04 | m331 | supaplex> not sure wether it's a bug or a feat¨H¨H¨H¨Hmisconfiguration. |
| 15:52.19 | Supaplex | m331: what were you trying to install again? |
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| 15:52.45 | quitte_ | Thug-N-Me: isn't it just a usb or firewire hdd? |
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| 15:53.04 | m331 | supaplex> apt-get upgrade tar and dwww. |
| 15:53.34 | Supaplex | and as in the autonice daemon, or simply and (this to)? |
| 15:53.38 | mishmash | Argh i hate my boss... I'm going to do an rm -rf /* |
| 15:53.43 | Thug-N-Me | quitte_ yeah its just a usb cable then i have to mount it somewhere .. and then copy paste thing music files ... |
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| 15:54.04 | Supaplex | mishmash: find ~boss -type f -print0 | xargs -0 shred |
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| 15:54.12 | mishmash | hehe |
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| 16:01.27 | Supaplex | !too quiet |
| 16:01.32 | quiet | ? |
| 16:01.45 | Supaplex | hehe |
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| 16:01.51 | Daedalus_ | !cricket |
| 16:01.51 | dpkg | cricket is this funkidelic successor to mrtg that has been optimized by the guys at webtv (a subsidiary of M$ ... ICK!) but nonetheless it's GPL'd, so it must be good. You can learn more at: http://www.munitions.com/~jra/cricket/ |
| 16:01.56 | mishmash | How can i give read/write access to a folder to 2 different user accounts? |
| 16:01.56 | Daedalus_ | D;oh |
| 16:02.08 | xored | is there a way to mount a ftp dir as a "local" drive, like nfs ? |
| 16:02.14 | Thug-N-Me | has anyone used ipod in debian ? |
| 16:02.22 | fireba11 | mishmash: put in same user group f.ex. |
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| 16:02.28 | Supaplex | !ftpfs |
| 16:02.28 | dpkg | a virtual filesystem for transparent FTP access. 'apt-get install ftpfs-src ftpfs-utils' |
| 16:02.29 | Daedalus_ | mishmash, Use ACLs or create a group for the two users |
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| 16:02.34 | Thug-N-Me | into which folder do i need to drag my music files ? |
| 16:02.40 | Supaplex | Thug-N-Me: never ;) |
| 16:02.44 | Thug-N-Me | :)) |
| 16:02.48 | mishmash | can i put me and the user mysql into the same group? |
| 16:03.01 | nkuttler_ | Thug-N-Me: use something like gtkpod or how it is called. apt-cache search ipod |
| 16:03.17 | fireba11 | Thug-N-Me: i don't think ipods show up as regular usb drives |
| 16:03.18 | PerfDave | mishmash: Yes, though it's almost certainly a bad idea. |
| 16:03.20 | Thug-N-Me | nkuttler_ so it doesnt work like . copy paste thing ? |
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| 16:03.49 | Daedalus_ | mishmash, sure. It's a user just like everything else. i'd create a separate group for the two of you though. Otherwise you kind of negate the whole point of the separate mysql user |
| 16:03.51 | PerfDave | IIRC iPods maintain seperate indices rather than just reading the filesystem, so need special software. But they're damn evil things anyway. |
| 16:03.51 | nkuttler | Thug-N-Me: i don't have one. |
| 16:03.57 | Thug-N-Me | ok |
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| 16:04.05 | nkuttler | yes, there is a database file on the ipod |
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| 16:04.35 | alex116 | i got a 300gb hard drive today. I wanted to partition it in windows with diskpart and think I may have messed up my linux partition somehow in the process. on booting it says something about ~can't open dev/console no such file, and then displays about some NTFS drivers. is there anything I can do other than reinstall debian from scratch? |
| 16:04.35 | fireba11 | PerfDave: at least they're damn expensive |
| 16:04.38 | Supaplex | give me an ipod, and i'll figure it out. :) |
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| 16:04.44 | PerfDave | fireba11: That's supposed to be reassuring? |
| 16:05.07 | xored | is there a way to mount a ftp dir to the local fs liek a NFS export ? |
| 16:05.13 | fireba11 | PerfDave: nope |
| 16:05.18 | alex116 | xored, yes |
| 16:05.23 | Supaplex | xored: /msg dpkg ftpfs |
| 16:05.29 | Daedalus_ | alex116: There are various rescue disks about, but it will be a lot of fiddling, and crazy stuff. |
| 16:05.31 | priscila | msg dpkg ftpfs |
| 16:05.33 | priscila | ops |
| 16:05.34 | priscila | :P |
| 16:05.38 | pipeline | xored: install the module-assistant package and use it to compile the "fuse" kernel module; then install ftpfs |
| 16:05.58 | xored | thank you |
| 16:06.11 | xored | pipeline: as i was advised by the bot, i need to use : apt-get install ftpfs-src ftpfs-utils |
| 16:06.20 | alex116 | ok so I'll just reinstall. can you point me to a tool to format my disk for fat32? |
| 16:06.21 | Daedalus_ | alex116: if there's no really important data on your drives (ie: nothing you can't restore from backup) then a reinstall would probably be way less painful |
| 16:06.23 | xored | pipeline: is that somehow false ? |
| 16:06.23 | twobitsprite | wine seens to have a lot of high-severity bugs reported on it, but must of them are very old... is anyone able to get wine working? (I'm in unstable..) |
| 16:06.44 | Supaplex | wine works pretty good afaict |
| 16:06.56 | twobitsprite | Supaplex: right on, thanks |
| 16:07.00 | mikearthur | can someone help me add a initscript to a runlevel? |
| 16:07.32 | nkuttler | mikearthur: man update-rc.d can |
| 16:07.34 | Supaplex | mikearthur: update-rc.d |
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| 16:07.41 | PerfDave | mikearthur: What are you actually trying to achieve? |
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| 16:07.49 | pipeline | xored: The old ftpfs is no longer developed, and might not work. Newer ftpfs is based on fuse... |
| 16:07.57 | mikearthur | PerfDave: get a script running scriptname start on startup and scriptname stop on shutdown |
| 16:07.58 | pipeline | aliesky: dosfsutils or something like that . Search for dosfs. |
| 16:07.58 | Supaplex | world domination via initscripts ;) |
| 16:08.08 | PerfDave | mikearthur: What script? :) |
| 16:08.09 | xored | pipeline: ok, is it possible on a sarge stable ? |
| 16:08.15 | mikearthur | PerfDave: one I made myself |
| 16:08.16 | Daedalus_ | alex116: Um... mkdosfs. I believe it's part of a dos-utils pacakge |
| 16:08.32 | mikearthur | PerfDave: I can already get it running with start and stop, just want it automated |
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| 16:08.47 | Daedalus_ | alex116: alternatively, you can use the format command in windows (or the file explorer, etc) |
| 16:08.50 | xored | pipeline: any howto to your soloutions ? where to get the fuse-src ? |
| 16:09.33 | PerfDave | mikearthur: Oh, never mind |
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| 16:10.26 | pipeline | xored: install module-assistant, it'll handle all the kernel nuts and bolts for you. |
| 16:10.47 | xored | pipeline: i have build my kernel custom anyway |
| 16:10.56 | pipeline | xored: That was foolish. |
| 16:11.03 | xored | pipeline: i dont htink so :) |
| 16:11.24 | xored | pipeline: i dont need 40 modules creating a overhead an my router( thank you to ipv6 ) |
| 16:11.50 | xored | pipeline: modules iam not gonna use in anyway. so thats why i dont think compiling a kernel is stupid |
| 16:11.53 | pipeline | xored: Modules do not cause overhead, dumbass. |
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| 16:12.11 | PerfDave | Modules only cause overhead if they're loaded. |
| 16:12.14 | xored | pipeline: modules not, if you dont load them. But build in stuff |
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| 16:12.24 | pipeline | xored: The debian default kernels don't build in anything :\ |
| 16:12.26 | xored | pipeline: why getting roude ... |
| 16:12.29 | PerfDave | Debian kernels don't have a lot of built in stuff. |
| 16:12.33 | pipeline | xored: Because you said something incredibly stupid. |
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| 16:13.29 | xored | pipeline: so your the one who desides whats supid or not. why do you even in here when you hate "stupid" quistions of people who dont know that much as you |
| 16:13.45 | xored | pipeline: its ok..have a nice day |
| 16:14.03 | Supaplex | I can feel the love! |
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| 16:15.04 | jair_11 | guys it is available the application call "dig" for debian sarge 3.1 |
| 16:15.05 | jair_11 | ? |
| 16:15.06 | Supaplex | m331: uhm.. it looks like I installed everything w/o a hitch. |
| 16:15.08 | alex116 | how do I get a list of installed hard drives and capacity info? |
| 16:15.11 | PerfDave | jair_11: Yes |
| 16:15.19 | quiet | how do I know how to call a font... I'm setting up my config file for JWM... which is XML style... |
| 16:15.25 | PerfDave | alex116: /proc/partitions? |
| 16:15.28 | alex116 | thx |
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| 16:15.34 | quiet | gfontview says the font name is "F-Rotten font" |
| 16:15.36 | jair_11 | PerfDave, I am trying to find it using apt-cache search and nothing? |
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| 16:15.54 | PerfDave | jair_11: /msg dpkg search |
| 16:16.04 | quiet | so I have "F-Rotten Font-15" in the <Font> tags.. but it doesn't work. |
| 16:16.06 | Supaplex | one step a head of ya :) |
| 16:16.29 | valdyn | quiet: xlsfonts |
| 16:16.31 | jair_11 | PerfDave, ok I will try that and by the way I already tried the apt-cache search dig. |
| 16:16.42 | valdyn | quiet: or also xfontsel |
| 16:16.46 | PerfDave | jair_11: Yes, syou said that you tried that :) |
| 16:17.11 | jair_11 | PerfDave, /msg dpkg search here in the channel correct? |
| 16:17.13 | abrotman | jair_11: apt-file search dig |
| 16:17.20 | jair_11 | abrotman, ok |
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| 16:17.40 | priscila | jair_11: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_contents |
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| 16:17.51 | quiet | valdyn, xlsfonts doesn't even list the other fonts that are already working in my theme.. |
| 16:18.10 | jair_11 | priscila, let me check that, because the other commands simply are not even found :( |
| 16:18.52 | jair_11 | any one here have in their distro Sarge 3.1 the application "dig"? |
| 16:19.06 | valdyn | jair_11: didnt you already ask that and got a response? |
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| 16:19.33 | quiet | valdyn, these are TTF fonts... if that matters |
| 16:19.54 | PerfDave | jair_11: In your IRC client |
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| 16:20.03 | valdyn | quiet: you can just use a substring of the full name, maybe that helps |
| 16:20.06 | PerfDave | !tell jair_11 -about search |
| 16:20.22 | jair_11 | valdyn, yes but now appear that is on the debian /usr/bin/dog |
| 16:20.37 | jair_11 | ok I will get it guys thank you very much |
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| 16:21.46 | valdyn | jair_11: i dont understand your problem |
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| 16:22.13 | quiet | how do I set XFS to work? I believe defoma is currently doing all the font stuff. |
| 16:22.29 | valdyn | quiet: xfs isnt going to be useful for this i dont think |
| 16:22.49 | jair_11 | valdyn, I got it, the package "dig" comes with the "dnsutils" package of debian which is available on apt-get install :) |
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| 16:23.13 | jair_11 | PerfDave, valdyn priscila Thank you very much merci :) |
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| 16:23.15 | quiet | i usually use xfs... it's easy to just put the font into /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ and /etc/init.d/fs restart |
| 16:23.16 | valdyn | quiet: your F-Rotten Font-15 looks very strange as truetype fonts in that framework dont have a slash between name and size... |
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| 16:23.44 | toyz | is there a site that shows an overview of different features of different linux distros? |
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| 16:23.53 | nvz | toyz: yes |
| 16:23.55 | valdyn | quiet: umm, normally if you do not use a font server you at most have to restart the application that uses the font |
| 16:24.24 | quiet | valdyn, that's how I up the other font used in the theme... which is: "AL Old Royal-15" |
| 16:24.30 | nvz | toyz: http://www.linuxiso.org/ for example |
| 16:24.33 | quiet | and "AL Old Royal-12" |
| 16:24.53 | toyz | thx |
| 16:25.15 | valdyn | quiet: i see, maybe that is jwm specific |
| 16:25.16 | nvz | toyz: see http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian |
| 16:25.29 | jair_11 | valdyn, if I install the package "dnsutils" bind9-host will be running or I will have to configure it in order to work, the reason why I ask you is because I am testing a server "postfix" and I do not want to affect the current network. Which is a windows network with AD and dns and wins running. |
| 16:25.56 | valdyn | jair_11: eh? you dont need to install bind9 |
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| 16:26.12 | valdyn | jair_11: this wont affect your network config |
| 16:26.30 | valdyn | jair_11: apt-cache show bind9-host |
| 16:28.01 | jair_11 | valdyn, the package "dnsutils" install bind9-host, and other tools including "dig" ;) so I think I do not have the Linux dns server bind9 installed. |
| 16:28.34 | valdyn | jair_11: right, so im wondering why you would be worried about your network configuration |
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| 16:29.07 | tux | >:o |
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| 16:30.02 | Jacob_ | Hi... Question about iptables.....: Need I create an entry per source ip og can I create just one entry containing multiple source ips ?? |
| 16:30.12 | toyz | nvz: , I am going with debian then for my next dedicated server |
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| 16:30.28 | jair_11 | valdyn, ok thanks, you know i really do not want to have any surprises scince I am learning more about "postfix" and my debian :) |
| 16:30.41 | nvz | toyz: what kind of services are you going to need? |
| 16:31.17 | valdyn | Jacob_: one entry per source network, not per source ip |
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| 16:32.11 | nvz | toyz: most people find that debian allows you to get things up and running more quickly. my friends and I joke about how we put the cd in and press enter to boot, enter to select language.. etc 5 minutes and several enter presses later we got a running debian system |
| 16:32.16 | valdyn | Jacob_: if that isnt good enough you would need to setup hierarchical chains and chain rules, that's beyond me though |
| 16:32.39 | PerfDave | Five minutes is a bit optimistic for installing Debian, it's more like fifteen. |
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| 16:32.58 | nvz | PerfDave: not really I consider it installed after stage 1 |
| 16:33.07 | nvz | PerfDave: base config and all that is just configuration |
| 16:33.19 | priscila | is possible use unicode on console? i'm having problems with it .. if i configure locales to use unicode, i can't use dead keys |
| 16:33.59 | valdyn | priscila: its not really nice on console, it will be a hack , but what is this supposed to have to do with your keyboard mapping? |
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| 16:34.33 | valdyn | !keymap |
| 16:34.33 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
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| 16:34.40 | nvz | when I took my friends hd back with debian on it and did the dpkg-reconfigure on the x server and pressed enter a bunch of times and restarted his display manager he was surprised at what I meant by configuring the system |
| 16:35.02 | sgeigerbot | nvz: Did you know about pycon? It took place in your backyard. |
| 16:35.15 | nvz | sgeigerbot: was abrotman there? |
| 16:35.16 | sgeigerbot | nvz: are you not a pythonista? |
| 16:35.22 | sgeigerbot | nvz: not sure. |
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| 16:35.30 | sgeigerbot | nvz: I was, though. |
| 16:35.36 | nvz | sgeigerbot: oh this must have been a different event then |
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| 16:35.46 | sgeigerbot | nvz: www.pycon.org |
| 16:35.53 | nvz | umm no |
| 16:35.57 | nvz | *shrug* |
| 16:35.59 | pipeline | xored: No, it's not about not knowing as much as me. It's about saying something incredibly, plainly, obviously, *stupid*. |
| 16:36.05 | toyz | nvz, postgresql, lighttpd |
| 16:36.07 | pipeline | xored: There's a difference between simple ignorance and patent moronism. |
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| 16:36.28 | nvz | toyz: ah that should be simple then |
| 16:36.35 | priscila | valdyn: my keyboard map is already right .. using iso all dead keys works well .. |
| 16:36.39 | toyz | nvz: I usually use freebsd, but I cant find a good dedicated server place that has it, so just go with linux for now |
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| 16:36.45 | PerfDave | pipeline: Fuck's sake, that was 20 minutes ago. Let it drop already, you argumentative twat. |
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| 16:38.26 | nvz | heh |
| 16:39.03 | Shadowcat | what did I miss? |
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| 16:39.16 | Ronin | Shadowcat: same stuff different day |
| 16:39.21 | Shadowcat | oh |
| 16:39.23 | nvz | nothing interesting |
| 16:39.30 | chrysopa | is possible to use the mail comando to send e-mail using a specific from? |
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| 16:40.14 | nvz | heh |
| 16:40.23 | PerfDave | chrysopa: You can probably do it with mutt |
| 16:40.27 | nvz | red team go, read team go |
| 16:40.46 | nvz | mail commandos |
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| 16:41.24 | Itze_ | hey everybody. A question. Is it possible to copy your xpÅ› profile to linux? |
| 16:41.36 | Itze_ | firefox profile, that is |
| 16:41.37 | Shadowcat | xps? |
| 16:41.41 | nvz | that would be funny if my mail man jumped out of a helicopter onto my roof and busted through the window with an automatic rifel and painted face and started handing out mail |
| 16:41.54 | PerfDave | Itze_: It's probably possible to copy it, dunno whether it'd work or not though ;) |
| 16:42.05 | Shadowcat | I wouldn't copy it |
| 16:42.15 | Itze_ | well... im looking for the "working" solution PerfDave :) |
| 16:42.16 | Miesco | Anyone able to install wine's latest version from apt-get? |
| 16:42.18 | Shadowcat | the only thing I copy is the bookmarks.html file |
| 16:42.25 | Shadowcat | !tell Itze_ about try |
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| 16:42.33 | jair_11 | valdyn, is this correct: line 1: search line2: nameserver 192.168.10.13 = a windows 2003 server dns machine. |
| 16:42.35 | Miesco | apt-cache search libxxf86dga1 |
| 16:42.39 | Miesco | sorry |
| 16:42.46 | Miesco | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:42.49 | Miesco | Thats what I get |
| 16:43.12 | Itze_ | export option was what i was looking for too PerfDave |
| 16:43.16 | Jacob_ | anyone who knows a howto on multiple sound cards ? |
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| 16:43.46 | jair_11 | valdyn, should I add to that nameserver the localhost one (127.0.0.1)? |
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| 16:47.08 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: Why were you in Dallas? |
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| 16:48.37 | termo | anybody any clue how to fix this? dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/x11-common_6.9.0.dfsg.1-4_all.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/etc/X11/Xsession', which is also in package xfree86-common |
| 16:48.43 | cahoot | Jacob_: just asking out of curiosity? |
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| 16:49.22 | Thug-N-Me | what would be the best mp3 rip files ? i would like to make them a bit smaller |
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| 16:50.42 | termo | Thug-N-Me: making mp3's smaller is not a good idea |
| 16:51.06 | Thug-N-Me | termo why not ? |
| 16:51.23 | Thug-N-Me | Quality ? |
| 16:51.33 | termo | because you will need re-encoding and that's bad for the quality |
| 16:51.49 | Daedalus_ | Thug-N-Me, Mp3's are already lossy. You've already lost some fidelity. Making them smaller will drop quality further. |
| 16:52.12 | cahoot | Daedalus_: might be hiphop so no loss |
| 16:52.16 | Thug-N-Me | Daedalus_ aint then , are ogg smaller them mp3 ? |
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| 16:53.36 | nkuttler | Thug-N-Me: it depends on the encoding settings... and reencoding is a very bad idea |
| 16:53.43 | epsilon | what do you want, smaller size or better quality? |
| 16:53.48 | Daedalus_ | Thug-N-Me, if you want to get smaller mp3 files you should re-rip frm the CD's. You could also try ogg. Keep turning the bitrate down, or use variable bitrate. You don't want to re-encode from old mp3 files though |
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| 16:54.16 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: i am? |
| 16:54.20 | jfa | hi |
| 16:54.20 | epsilon | and if unsure at all: FLAC |
| 16:54.52 | jair_11 | guys should I have the line: nameserver 127.0.0.1 in addition to the dns server (nameserver 192.168.x.x) on my /etc/resolve.conf ??? |
| 16:54.53 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: nvz thought you were. |
| 16:54.53 | Daedalus_ | epsilon: Uh, FLAC has a _HUGE_ filesiize |
| 16:54.57 | tomas__ | what package includes the program import? |
| 16:55.01 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: /lastlog sgeigerbot |
| 16:55.04 | pipeline | tomas__: imagemagick, iirc |
| 16:55.05 | jfa | somebody knows how to disable mtrrs ? |
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| 16:55.12 | sgeigerbot | tomas__: imagemagick |
| 16:55.23 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: i was not |
| 16:55.44 | tomas__ | good, very |
| 16:56.16 | Jacob_ | anyone know of a howto on setting up awstast for multiple domains ? :) |
| 16:56.21 | opqdonut | jfa: don't enable it when building a kernel? |
| 16:56.29 | termo | Still having trouble installing x11-common... |
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| 16:56.44 | Daedalus_ | termo:howso? |
| 16:56.45 | termo | How can I get a more verbose error message using apt-get? |
| 16:56.49 | jfa | opqdonut: maybe, thanks. |
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| 16:57.09 | termo | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/x11-common_6.9.0.dfsg.1-4_all.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/etc/X11/Xsession', which is also in package xfree86-common |
| 16:57.09 | dpkg | termo: what are you talking about? |
| 16:57.12 | termo | dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) |
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| 16:57.13 | laurens_ | hi |
| 16:57.16 | Daedalus_ | termo: are you needing to install a very limited X setup? or are you just trying to get it working? |
| 16:57.16 | termo | this is what I'm getting |
| 16:57.17 | laurens_ | damn fglrx |
| 16:57.18 | TipTap | hmm can you have passwd within the chroot, and if you did and executed it, would it modify /chroot/etc/passwd as appose /etc/passwd? |
| 16:57.27 | nkuttler | Jacob_: that should be trivial. have different logfiles and pass the correct parameters to awstats.pl. it's probably even in their faq |
| 16:57.41 | termo | Daedalus_: no, I don't need X, but imageMagick seems to depend on libx |
| 16:58.28 | jair_11 | valdyn, abrotman guys should I have the line: nameserver 127.0.0.1 in addition to the dns server (nameserver 192.168.x.x) on my /etc/resolve.conf ??? |
| 16:58.56 | raf256` | in case if I would fuck up libc, how to install older version? just dpkg -i it? |
| 16:59.05 | laurens_ | raf256`: that won't work |
| 16:59.13 | laurens_ | raf256`: libc.so.6 is needed for |
| 16:59.15 | abrotman | jair_11: if you're running a dns server on that mahcine |
| 16:59.16 | raf256` | laurens_: no? why :/ ? |
| 16:59.19 | laurens_ | well, pretty much everything |
| 16:59.26 | laurens_ | including ls, cd, and also dpkg |
| 16:59.30 | PerfDave | raf256`: apt-get won't run with a broken libc in all probability :) |
| 16:59.33 | nkuttler | raf256`: dpkg will probably not work any more |
| 16:59.38 | raf256` | heh |
| 16:59.43 | laurens_ | raf256`: you're in catch 22 in that case |
| 16:59.47 | raf256` | I hope the usntable libc is not fscked up |
| 16:59.55 | laurens_ | wait |
| 16:59.55 | nkuttler | raf256`: you can ar x the .deb and put the files in place |
| 17:00.00 | laurens_ | why run unstable? |
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| 17:00.22 | raf256` | laurens_: I like some feautures of the most bleeding edge programs |
| 17:00.35 | laurens_ | so go run gentoo or something |
| 17:00.51 | jair_11 | abrotman, that dns server "nameserver 192.168.10.13" is a dns server running on another machine the windows server 2003 running the AD of the windows network. |
| 17:00.54 | laurens_ | it's sort of like unstable but it will break faster |
| 17:00.58 | raf256` | laurens_: why, is debian unable of doing that/ |
| 17:01.09 | raf256` | hmm I dont have time to install gentoo now |
| 17:01.12 | abrotman | because apt-get isn't static ? |
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| 17:01.25 | nkuttler | raf256`: unable of doing what? |
| 17:01.29 | laurens_ | raf256`: no but if you want to do silly things you'll feel right at home with silly people |
| 17:01.43 | raf256` | laurens_: heh :) |
| 17:01.46 | laurens_ | raf256`: you have time to debug sid but you dont have time to install gentoo ~x86 |
| 17:01.51 | raf256` | what is silly in running thunderbird 1.5 ? |
| 17:02.00 | raf256` | windoze users have it for like a month |
| 17:02.08 | laurens_ | raf256`: the question you should be asking is |
| 17:02.10 | raf256` | debian, even unstable, dont :( |
| 17:02.21 | laurens_ | raf256`: what is silly in running libc |
| 17:02.26 | laurens_ | from unstable |
| 17:02.30 | laurens_ | in that case -- plenty |
| 17:02.33 | raf256` | well libc is not so important, ok |
| 17:02.38 | raf256` | but about thunder. |
| 17:02.39 | sgeigerbot | Can a Windows client log into Active Directory when it is behind a NAT device? |
| 17:02.50 | laurens_ | raf256`: so, get the pkgs manually |
| 17:03.00 | raf256` | why in the hell we LAG A TWO MONTHS behind windoze, even in unstable, even is such important/common program like thunderbird |
| 17:03.04 | laurens_ | raf256`: or become a package maintainer for it, if you think its so important |
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| 17:03.11 | laurens_ | you spelt windows wrong |
| 17:03.12 | pipeline | sgeigerbot: People usually use windows VPN for that. |
| 17:03.12 | raf256` | hmm |
| 17:03.13 | laurens_ | again |
| 17:03.22 | raf256` | laurens_: oh yes, it is window~1 |
| 17:03.36 | laurens_ | raf256`: No, actually, it's just Windows :-) |
| 17:03.47 | laurens_ | raf256`: anyway |
| 17:03.54 | laurens_ | raf256`: you dont have to lag behind |
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| 17:04.07 | laurens_ | http://www.mozilla.com/thunderbird/ |
| 17:04.09 | laurens_ | click, download |
| 17:04.17 | laurens_ | the reason why it isnt in debian is simple: |
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| 17:04.18 | raf256` | how to install? |
| 17:04.25 | laurens_ | the maintainer can't do it for some reason |
| 17:04.30 | Ronin | heh if you have to ask etc. |
| 17:04.36 | laurens_ | just click on the button |
| 17:04.37 | raf256` | well, but I can? |
| 17:04.51 | tomas__ | oh thats an old version of firefox. i have stable in my sources.list and the latest firefox version there is 1.0.7,, if i add testing, will iget 1.5.0.1? |
| 17:04.52 | laurens_ | raf256`: if you can make a .deb with tbird that works reliably |
| 17:04.54 | raf256` | what about conflicts about invalid versions of ;ibs |
| 17:04.55 | raf256` | libs |
| 17:04.56 | laurens_ | by all means,d o |
| 17:05.08 | stouset | laurens_: And why would one want to install programs that aren't packaged for Debian, again? |
| 17:05.14 | evilbulgarian | hi, is there a secure (not use password in the script ) way to use smbmount for scripting dumping to a windows share which requires user/password? |
| 17:05.23 | laurens_ | stouset: ask raf, he's the one who wants it |
| 17:05.25 | nkuttler | tomas__: /msg dpkg backports |
| 17:05.33 | stouset | laurens_: Short-term gain, long-term pain. |
| 17:05.36 | raf256` | laurens_: is there an examle of how to make a .deb out of binary-only program? |
| 17:06.01 | laurens_ | raf256`: you usually make it out of the source and compile the src.deb, but it's possible |
| 17:06.06 | laurens_ | raf256`: google will help you |
| 17:06.07 | raf256` | stouset: I need some eautures from thunder and firefox 1.5 |
| 17:06.15 | Estes2 | Is there a way, without scripting to delete files older than x days ? |
| 17:06.23 | laurens_ | like what feature |
| 17:06.25 | PerfDave | Estes2: Yes, with find |
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| 17:06.38 | raf256` | laurens_: spell checking, also need to see how page work in ff 1.5 |
| 17:06.58 | laurens_ | tb pre 1.5 doesnt have spell checking? |
| 17:06.58 | Ronin | make up your mind ram_ram__away |
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| 17:07.02 | laurens_ | silly mail client :) |
| 17:07.06 | Estes2 | PerfDave, okay, thanks, will have a look :) |
| 17:07.18 | abrotman | tarzeau: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060307/sc_afp/turkeyhealthscience .. now i know what's wrong with you! |
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| 17:08.02 | _ram | Ronin: finally made up my mind, it is _ram :) |
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| 17:08.19 | nkuttler | abrotman: doesn't he live in switzerland anymore? |
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| 17:11.14 | termo | hmm |
| 17:11.19 | termo | I seem to have fixed the problem |
| 17:11.40 | termo | dpkg tried to overwrite some non-existent files |
| 17:11.55 | termo | I created empty files and it didn't crash |
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| 17:12.05 | termo | I think that's weird behaviour |
| 17:12.08 | laurens_ | ls |
| 17:12.11 | laurens_ | oops. |
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| 17:14.00 | dijz | I have problems wiht cups, by echo "x" > /dev/usb/lp0 it's fine, but by lpr or http://localhost:631/printers/ >> print test page the jobs are cancelled. the pinter is configured and loaded |
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| 17:15.06 | leOn | i've just upgraded from 2.4.27-2-s390 to 2.6.8-2-s390 and for my surprise i stoped having the eth0 device, although the qeth driver is loaded ... anyone experienced the same problem ? |
| 17:15.10 | xmaddness | DCC SEND "12345678901234" 0 0 0 |
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| 17:15.18 | xmaddness | loo |
| 17:15.34 | PerfDave | :ops xmaddness DCC crap |
| 17:15.37 | xmaddness | xD |
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| 17:15.42 | PerfDave | Bah, wrong metachar |
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| 17:15.45 | PerfDave | !ops xmaddness DCC crap |
| 17:15.45 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: xmaddness DCC crap |
| 17:15.46 | xmaddness | :P |
| 17:15.52 | xmaddness | bai |
| 17:15.56 | xmaddness | startkeylogger |
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| 17:16.01 | Ronin | pathetic |
| 17:16.02 | dijz | in /var/log/cups/error_log I read : SendError: 5 code=404 (Not Found) |
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| 17:16.12 | petemc | dijz: you have cupsys-bsd installed? |
| 17:16.12 | dijz | how fix it? |
| 17:16.24 | Daedalus_ | !lart xmaddness |
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| 17:16.41 | dijz | petemc: yes |
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| 17:17.06 | [gijoe] | A |
| 17:17.10 | sgeigerbot | mentor: xmaddnesS |
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| 17:17.18 | helix | ... |
| 17:17.22 | mentor | sgeigerbot: No in his host |
| 17:17.26 | sgeigerbot | hmm. |
| 17:17.30 | mentor | yeah, I suck today |
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| 17:18.40 | sgeigerbot | hi, E. |
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| 17:20.00 | dijz | petemc: I get AcceptClient: 7 from localhost:631 ReadClient: 7 POST /admin/ HTTP/1.1 SendError: 7 code=401 (Unauthorized) CloseClient: 7 too |
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| 17:20.15 | r3tex | how can i change my console to unicode? |
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| 17:20.40 | sgeigerbot | r3tex: apt-cache search unicode |
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| 17:21.51 | r3tex | sgeigerbot: i don't mean an X terminal, but the console |
| 17:23.13 | leOn | anyone using debian on s390 platform ? |
| 17:23.24 | valdyn | linux console is not really unicode capable.. |
| 17:23.46 | PerfDave | !s390 |
| 17:23.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, s390 is an IBM mainframe architecture, or now known as z series, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-s390 |
| 17:23.53 | PerfDave | My Linux console is Unicode capable :) |
| 17:23.59 | lord1 | how do i change the locale to utf-8 ? |
| 17:24.00 | r3tex | =0 |
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| 17:24.08 | r3tex | PerfDave: how? |
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| 17:24.20 | sgeigerbot | valdyn: wrong. There was a kernel patch years ago. |
| 17:24.30 | leOn | thanks PerfDave |
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| 17:24.34 | PerfDave | r3tex: I generated the locale, and set LANG in my .bashrc |
| 17:24.39 | sgeigerbot | r3tex: http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man8/setfont.8.html |
| 17:24.43 | r3tex | ahaa |
| 17:24.45 | valdyn | sgeigerbot: there still is a patch... |
| 17:24.56 | valdyn | sgeigerbot: natively it isnt i think.. |
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| 17:25.27 | sgeigerbot | valdyn: I find that hard to believe. |
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| 17:25.49 | leOn | r3tex: for system wide installation use /etc/environment |
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| 17:26.07 | valdyn | sgeigerbot: the linux console is very old and never was replaced by something decent, though an alternative console has been in development for a long time |
| 17:26.10 | leOn | s/installation/configuration/ |
| 17:26.36 | valdyn | sgeigerbot: http://linuxconsole.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 17:26.42 | r3tex | leOn: nice :) |
| 17:26.49 | Jacob_ | anyone on how to make a sound card default if you have multiple sound devices ??? plz :) |
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| 17:28.19 | cahoot | Jacob_: like 'options snd-emu10k1index=0' or 1 etc in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa |
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| 17:28.55 | loggygreg | r3tex: avec you tried unicode_start (console-tools package) and unicode_stop |
| 17:29.16 | loggygreg | r3tex: s/avec/have/ |
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| 17:29.48 | r3tex | loggygreg: i'll check it out |
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| 17:31.18 | madclicker | does apache have any "real-time" connection monitoring? |
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| 17:31.42 | PerfDave | !qotd1 |
| 17:31.42 | dpkg | <Guerin> heh, I have a wife who, when not doing it herself, makes me do it |
| 17:32.33 | eeyore- | what context was that quote? :-) |
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| 17:33.47 | chealer9 | !beer PerfDave |
| 17:34.28 | vin` | !qotd93 |
| 17:34.28 | dpkg | qotd93 is, like, <sussudio> greycat: oil will just drip off, i used vaseline but the hamster keeps licking it off. |
| 17:34.50 | thingfis1 | hehe |
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| 17:35.20 | nix | gotta keep that hamster wheel runnin |
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| 17:35.27 | Knight_Lord | I'm sorry for a totally offtopic question but does anyone knows where I can find if a Nokia 3510i works in the US? |
| 17:35.27 | debiankid | hi all |
| 17:35.37 | PerfDave | Knight_Lord: nokia.com ? :) |
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| 17:36.05 | nix | debiankid: tried the README? |
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| 17:36.14 | Knight_Lord | PerfDave Thanks. I'm reading the manual and it says it has dual band, but i don't understand anything about cell phones so i don't konw if that means it's possible to use it in the US. |
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| 17:36.25 | debiankid | nix hehehe i have the boot running now i need to go more deep |
| 17:36.45 | nix | so read further:) |
| 17:37.02 | debiankid | nix for example when i make a query to the boot and i msg him find somepackage |
| 17:37.22 | svennis | hello, ive just installed a fresh system from 2 pretty old debian potato cd's and i now did a apt-get dist-upgrade, however it failes and i cant seem to fix the error, apt says pkgProblemSolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be because held packages. and i also get about 10 conflicts ive tried the --ignore-hold flag but that didnt help. any idea what i should do? |
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| 17:37.53 | d0ug | reinstall! |
| 17:38.00 | d0ug | yay |
| 17:38.27 | chealer9 | svennis: what are you dist-upgrading to? |
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| 17:38.33 | nix | svennis i dont think potato>stable will work |
| 17:38.51 | nix | try potato>oldstable>stable |
| 17:38.51 | svennis | chealer9 unstable, but i have tried stable too |
| 17:39.05 | chealer9 | svennis: and at which step are you? |
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| 17:39.26 | d0ug | chealer9: way not to end a sentence with a preposition |
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| 17:39.33 | debiankid | nix do you know what i mean , i have on my irc running a blootbot similar to dpkg boot of here |
| 17:39.43 | svennis | chealer9 the install i completed, and apt-geting from the cd's works fine |
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| 17:39.49 | nix | debiankid: nope, no idea really |
| 17:40.06 | PerfDave | svennis: You probably want to install Debian 3.1 (aka Sarge); potato is very old, and upgrading it to something more recent may be more hassle than it's worth. |
| 17:40.11 | svennis | nix how do i update to old-potato? is that one on the apt-mirrors too? |
| 17:40.20 | chealer9 | svennis: did you upgrade to woody yet? |
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| 17:41.42 | nix | svennis: first install potato as minimal as you can. then dist-upgrade to woody (oldstable), then you should be able to jump to sid (unstable). direct potato>sid is bound to give trouble |
| 17:41.57 | svennis | chealer9 nope havent done any upgrade at all, i didnt know i could upgrade to the current stable/unstable with such old dist. |
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| 17:42.07 | nix | svennis: you'll have to find a woody mirror if its not on a main site |
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| 17:42.31 | Shadowcat | potato? |
| 17:42.37 | Shadowcat | he's running potato? |
| 17:42.43 | svennis | nix ok, sounds like a plan :) |
| 17:42.47 | chealer9 | svennis: wasn't that what you were trying to do? |
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| 17:43.10 | sgeigerbot | svennis: What's wrong with downloading a current installer CD and reinstalling? |
| 17:43.18 | CLucas916 | hello im trying to install debian with the network install disc and when its "Detecting Hardware To Find CD-ROM Drives" it stalls at insmod ide-detect. anyone have an idea on how to get around this? |
| 17:43.24 | sgeigerbot | chealer9: /lastlog svennis |
| 17:43.38 | svennis | cheaker9 no, i was trying to dist-upgrade to sid directly |
| 17:43.39 | chealer9 | nix: woody->unstable is not supported |
| 17:43.45 | chealer9 | nix: not directly |
| 17:44.27 | chealer9 | svennis: yeah...so you assumed that you could upgrade to the current stable/unstable with potato, no? |
| 17:44.29 | nix | chealer9: which is what im unsure of. just as potato>sid is. so svennis if you want to be safe go from potato>woody>sarge>sid |
| 17:44.46 | nix | and get some beers/coffee |
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| 17:44.52 | svennis | sgeigerbot cant get ip to any other comp than this one from my isp and potato was the only cd i had, didnt want to do win98 -> download -> install sid or similar |
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| 17:44.59 | d0ug | like i said, just reinstall |
| 17:45.06 | svennis | chealer9 correct |
| 17:45.17 | PerfDave | svennis: Now you've got potato installed, can you not use it to burn a sarge install CD? :) |
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| 17:45.37 | d0ug | 60/40 you'll have success doing it their way at best |
| 17:45.48 | nix | a million solutions for one problem. :D |
| 17:45.52 | sgeigerbot | svennis: what does "cant get ip to any other comp than this one from my isp" mean? |
| 17:45.56 | svennis | PerfDave i think il do that |
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| 17:46.27 | chealer9 | svennis: I'm confused why you tried it but say you thought it wouldn't work, but anyway you probably don't want to use sid if you don't master APT, and you should probably just install sarge or etch directly as PerfDave said |
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| 17:48.11 | svennis | well thanks all for the help :) |
| 17:48.24 | nix | np |
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| 17:48.47 | sgeigerbot | svennis: Do you know about NAT? |
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| 17:49.35 | CLucas916 | hello im trying to install debian with the network install disc and when its "Detecting Hardware To Find CD-ROM Drives" it stalls at insmod ide-detect. anyone have an idea on how to get around this? |
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| 17:50.48 | jair_11 | it is a room for xfce ??? |
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| 17:51.02 | nix | ping |
| 17:51.18 | PerfDave | CLucas916: What CD-ROM do you have? Are you installing with a 2.4 or 2.6 kernel? |
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| 17:52.05 | Albibak | bonjour tout le monde |
| 17:52.05 | adii | hello world |
| 17:52.08 | sistema | hola |
| 17:52.12 | sistema | me podrian decir |
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| 17:52.19 | CLucas916 | PerfDave: i just have a normal ide cdrom drive, i tried with both kernels, but it seems to freeze before it gets to ide-detect on the 2.6 kernel |
| 17:52.22 | sistema | cual es el servidor de ubunto en español |
| 17:52.28 | adii | (albibak ici c'est la version anglaise .. y a un autre chan pour la version française) |
| 17:52.47 | sistema | ALGUIEN HABLA ESPAÑOL |
| 17:52.50 | Ronin | !es |
| 17:52.50 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:52.58 | Ronin | !fr |
| 17:52.58 | dpkg | hmm... fr is Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debianfr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debianfr |
| 17:53.09 | adii | hablo un pocito espanol pero aqui es mejor hablar inglès |
| 17:53.15 | adii | :x |
| 17:53.20 | SerajewelKS | adii: #debian-es |
| 17:53.29 | adii | i was telling him to speak english :p |
| 17:53.34 | SerajewelKS | adii: ah |
| 17:53.37 | adii | :p |
| 17:53.57 | SerajewelKS | adii: i know enough spanish to make out some words but not enough to know what you're trying to say =) |
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| 17:54.18 | adii | i thought i was speaking the worst spanish over the world |
| 17:54.25 | adii | is there a way to "un block" my sound card ? |
| 17:54.35 | SerajewelKS | adii: kill programs using it |
| 17:54.53 | SerajewelKS | adii: 'lsof /dev/dsp' might list some |
| 17:54.55 | adii | is there a way to know which programs are using it ? |
| 17:54.56 | adii | ok |
| 17:54.56 | adii | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:55.15 | SerajewelKS | adii: not in the case of ALSA apps though |
| 17:55.16 | priscila | fuser /dev/dsp |
| 17:55.38 | adii | SerajewelKS, what to do in that case ? :) |
| 17:55.44 | SerajewelKS | adii: 'lsof /dev/snd/*' |
| 17:55.52 | adii | hm ok |
| 17:55.57 | SerajewelKS | adii: particularly /dev/snd/pcm* |
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| 17:56.12 | adii | should kill it with sigterm ? sigstop? sigkill ? |
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| 17:56.20 | SerajewelKS | adii: what is 'it'? |
| 17:56.28 | unstable | eh, this guy is owning me on tetrinet.debian.net he is way too good |
| 17:56.32 | d0ug | it's on ebay |
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| 17:56.44 | PerfDave | CLucas916: But it works with the 2.4 kernel? |
| 17:56.45 | adii | (it is the blocking program) i'm not having a problem at the moment |
| 17:57.12 | SerajewelKS | adii: ah, try TERM (just 'kill pid') otherwise if that doesn't work, kill -KILL pid |
| 17:57.19 | adii | ok |
| 17:57.20 | CLucas916 | PerfDave: it freezes at ide-detect |
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| 17:57.40 | SerajewelKS | adii: if that still doesn't free the card then your driver might be buggy and you'll need to reboot (this has happened to me in the past, newer kernels don't seem to do it as often) |
| 17:57.44 | PerfDave | CLucas916: It freezes with the 2.4 kernel, the 2.6 kernel or both? |
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| 17:58.21 | CLucas916 | ok with the 2.4 it hangs on ide-detect, on 2.6 it freezes before it gets to the menu |
| 17:58.37 | abrotman | nkuttler: yes |
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| 18:00.01 | roler | One thing I just noticed in linux is that when resolving a domain, such as google.com i get different google servers every time I hit the next/previous page... While windows does not.. Is this because i'm not using bind/named locally so it has to go out each time and resolve? |
| 18:00.35 | chealer9 | unstable: I'm not sure how many care |
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| 18:01.51 | kspath_ | roler: There is caching in IE/windows which tends to be a negative thing rather than anything remotely good. |
| 18:02.30 | abrotman | i see you! |
| 18:02.41 | Dominic | roler: your browser should maintain a constant connection to the server though. Though possibly if you move off of the domain, your browser may close that connection... depends on your browser |
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| 18:03.00 | abrotman | roler: it depends on the browser .. some cache it .. some don't |
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| 18:03.43 | kspath_ | roler: caching in windows itself I saw that for years though I have not done user level support directly for years. |
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| 18:03.49 | Janos | hey there |
| 18:03.54 | Thug-N-Me | can anyone please help me with banshee player ? |
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| 18:04.02 | grendal_prime | hey anyone ever mounted a novel hardrive with a corrupted sys volume before? |
| 18:04.08 | kspath_ | roler: windows caching is mostly a BAD thing. |
| 18:04.39 | roler | does anyone know the option in about:config in firefox to enable the caching of domains? It get's really annoying when seeing how SEO is working in google |
| 18:04.40 | Janos | is there any tool that manages the links to the development tools like gcc or cpp, in the case that i have two installed version ? |
| 18:04.41 | Thug-N-Me | does anyone use banshee player ? |
| 18:04.46 | grendal_prime | im thinking it could be done..the drive works..the data we think is ok but the sys vol that dos preloads for is corupt |
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| 18:08.22 | Supaplex | Janos: yea, it's called a makefile. |
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| 18:09.02 | Dominic | roler: I'm surprised that Firefox wouldn't maintain an HTTP connection to the server. Perhaps check the maximum number of connections it will maintain at any one time? Else, a quick Google suggests an extension called "Fasterfox". I'm not an FF user though |
| 18:09.41 | roler | i've used fasterfox |
| 18:09.45 | roler | a lot of sites actually detect it |
| 18:09.50 | roler | and disallow access |
| 18:09.56 | roler | it puts a heavy load on the server |
| 18:10.15 | Dominic | that's probably the pre-fetching aspect of it |
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| 18:11.41 | asperon | hi, i am trying to install debian via the installer (etch netinstall) on a newbuilt sempron 3100+ on an msi board with a sata disc. I get as far as the installer loading the kernel then te system reboots. Am i missing anything or should i try another version of the installer? |
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| 18:13.32 | LinuxNIT | can i set cpufreq to use ondemand as the default gov at boot? |
| 18:14.23 | grendal_prime | nobody on the novel issue? |
| 18:14.27 | sgeigerbot | asperon: trying a different version wouldn't hurt, of course. Does it always reboot at *exactly* the same point? (Have you ruled out hardware issues?) |
| 18:14.58 | asperon | sgeigerbot: well, i cant really tell, let me give it another try |
| 18:15.01 | sgeigerbot | grendal_prime: novell? |
| 18:15.18 | kspath_ | roler: multi-threaded ? |
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| 18:15.34 | Dominic | asperon: have you tried both 2.4 and 2.6 kernels? |
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| 18:16.52 | asperon | seems to be the same point, it gets about 1 and 1/5 line of loading init.gdz |
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| 18:17.13 | kspath_ | roler: are you using some interesting firewall rules, filters, proxies, or switching that might be causing it? |
| 18:17.28 | asperon | !dpkg burn dvd |
| 18:17.36 | tarzeau | abrotman: your url didn't work, and i'm not in turkey |
| 18:17.38 | asperon | !dpkg help burn dvd |
| 18:17.45 | abrotman | tarzeau: let me find it again |
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| 18:17.53 | abrotman | tarzeau: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060307/sc_afp/turkeyhealthscience ? |
| 18:17.54 | tarzeau | abrotman: ah wait it worked |
| 18:18.04 | abrotman | tarzeau: i know you're not in turkey |
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| 18:18.15 | roler | kspath_, ; nope... |
| 18:18.24 | Thug-N-Me | i need to get libdbus-1.so.2 installed , any ideea ? |
| 18:18.44 | asperon | can anybody point me to some info on how to burn the debian installer on a dvd using debian? |
| 18:18.53 | tarzeau | abrotman: and i don't walk on all four |
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| 18:18.58 | abrotman | why would you burn it to a dvd? |
| 18:19.00 | abrotman | tarzeau: i know |
| 18:19.02 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 18:19.02 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 18:19.05 | tarzeau | abrotman: unless told so by my mistress. biatch! ;) |
| 18:19.08 | loggygreg | Thug-N-Me: 'apt-get install libdbus-1-2' |
| 18:19.10 | abrotman | lazy bum |
| 18:19.29 | asperon | abrotman: i have run out of cdr =) |
| 18:19.37 | Thug-N-Me | loggygreg only libdbus-1-1 available |
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| 18:19.42 | abrotman | asperon: go buy more? |
| 18:19.49 | abrotman | asperon: start using CDRW ? |
| 18:19.52 | asperon | its 19.19 pm here, they are closed |
| 18:19.56 | asperon | yes, i know i should |
| 18:19.56 | tarzeau | if i have 300 queries in irssi, how can i grep through all of them with one command? |
| 18:20.01 | loggygreg | Thug-N-Me: i use testing |
| 18:20.10 | lucas | Do somebody know how to configure soundcard Yamaha opl3sa2?? please, help!!! |
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| 18:20.19 | Thug-N-Me | loggygreg i see :)) |
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| 18:20.37 | Dominic | tarzeau: grep -R phrase /path/to/logs/* |
| 18:20.40 | roler | well thanks for the help, i'll just live with it for now:) |
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| 18:20.51 | tarzeau | Dominic: i don't keep logs |
| 18:21.06 | loggygreg | Thug-N-Me: may be in backports |
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| 18:21.40 | Dominic | tarzeau: oh, you mean 300 *active* queries in irssi? My word. You could try writing a Perl script to load into irssi? |
| 18:21.54 | chealer9 | Thug-N-Me: which release do you use? |
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| 18:22.26 | Thug-N-Me | chealer9 sarge |
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| 18:22.51 | dstar | hey, I'm looking for something like at, but where I specify 'delay from previous command' rather than a time -- ie, 'schedule <command> 12h' causes it to be executed 12 hours after the previous command in the queue is. |
| 18:22.55 | dstar | Anyone know of one? |
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| 18:23.00 | Coke | I run StarCraft in Wine and just as in Windows 98 it _hangs_ constantly. This wouldn't be too bad, only the ctrl-alt-backspace key combo is disabled. Is there any way to make Wine unable to grab these key combos and retain X control regardless of Wine state? |
| 18:23.00 | chealer9 | Thug-N-Me: why do you need that file? |
| 18:23.12 | sepski | asperon, acording to DWN etch installer beta 1 is broken and you must use beta2 http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2006/08/ |
| 18:23.27 | Thug-N-Me | chealer9 Banshee player doesnt work |
| 18:23.31 | liquid | hello, is there a easy way to replace lilo (woody > upgrade stable/sarge) with grub? |
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| 18:24.02 | epsilon | uninstall lilo, install grub |
| 18:24.09 | nn-_ | Excellent! |
| 18:24.09 | chealer9 | Thug-N-Me: what's Banshee player? |
| 18:24.22 | liquid | epsilon: without any configuration? |
| 18:24.31 | liquid | manual configuration that is |
| 18:24.34 | Dominic | liquid: just install the GRUB package, then run `grub-install device_name`. The GRUB scripts will detect and add entries for any installed kernel packages |
| 18:24.38 | lord1 | tarzeau: /window <num>, or were you looking for an alt + next? |
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| 18:24.49 | liquid | okay thanks |
| 18:24.51 | Thug-N-Me | chealer9 the easy way i can share music files with my nano ipod |
| 18:24.51 | epsilon | well, after installing grub, you must setup it - with everything it need |
| 18:24.52 | epsilon | s |
| 18:25.01 | grendal_prime | ya novell |
| 18:25.13 | grendal_prime | sgeigerbot, |
| 18:25.49 | chealer9 | Thug-N-Me: I guess it's not an official Debian package. that must be the problem |
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| 18:26.08 | liquid | here I go! |
| 18:26.10 | Dominic | dstar: check `at`. You can specify the time as "now + 3 hours" for instance. Check the man page |
| 18:26.18 | Thug-N-Me | chealer9 i know that well |
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| 18:26.53 | dstar | Dominic: Right. But if I've got 3 things in the queu, I can't specify it as 'last + 12 hours' and have it go off 12 hours after the last thing in the queu does. |
| 18:27.17 | dstar | I'd have to parse the time that the last thing is scheduled for, add 12 hours, and specify that |
| 18:27.19 | Dominic | dstar: ah ok. Could you not add wrapper scripts around these tasks to do that? |
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| 18:27.58 | Dominic | dstar: so the first task is added, a wrapper script is run, the task executes, completes, the wrapper schedules the next task (a simple 'at' command) etc |
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| 18:28.40 | chealer9 | Thug-N-Me: you won't find it in an official Debian package. ask the distributor, or see if you can recompile, etc. |
| 18:28.59 | dstar | Dominic: Hmm. I hadn't thought about doing it that way... |
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| 18:29.21 | dstar | Dominic: It's a shame at doesn't display the scheduled time in a format it accepts. It'd be trivial. |
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| 18:30.08 | Dominic | dstar: I'm assuming you want a constant time between the tasks completion and not execution? |
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| 18:30.59 | dstar | Dominic: the command only takes a couple of seconds, so it doesn't really matter |
| 18:31.13 | Dominic | dstar: could you not use cron then? |
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| 18:32.32 | dstar | Dominic: What I'm doing are sending posts to a moderated newsgroup via email. When I add a new chapter to my story, I want to push the command to send it into a pipeline -- if I put up three chapters in one day, I still only want one to go out to usenet per day. |
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| 18:33.15 | cmdKeen | Is there some howto or some easy way to install and run net with ADSL modem connected to USB - without network card ? |
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| 18:34.52 | sepski | cmdKeen, it's usualy the install kernel module, and configure the new interface (or run pppoe over the new interface) but i'd say it would be easier to get a nic |
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| 18:35.30 | Dominic | dstar: ah ok. Would a script that runs under cron, say every 24 hours, which then takes the first file from a "queue" directory, then posts it be best? |
| 18:35.50 | dstar | Dominic: Hmm. |
| 18:35.56 | dstar | Dominic: That might work. |
| 18:36.10 | Dominic | dstar: though 'at' can also add times together. So you could ask it to run at "4pm", "4pm + 12 hours", "4pm + 24 hours" |
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| 18:36.32 | lordnazgul | is there an app out there that can display the dependency tree of all packages currently installed. ideally both top down and bottom up? |
| 18:36.35 | geeKISSexy | I have a UML installation where I have installed sshd |
| 18:36.45 | geeKISSexy | Under /dev/pts/, there are no devices. |
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| 18:36.55 | geeKISSexy | Is there any other way ssh can be used so that I can login. |
| 18:37.03 | geeKISSexy | Right now I'm not able to login. |
| 18:38.37 | Guldponny | my keymap is broke, dpkg-reconfigured locales and console-data with no result! i think the error was that i set term_char or something wring, how do I fix this |
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| 18:39.33 | Dominic | lordnazgul: you could look at "graphviz" - it's a general purpose graphing tool. You could probably create a script to build a graphviz file, creating a node per package and telling it which other packages it depends upon (apt-cache?). Graphviz will then do the rest |
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| 18:39.46 | dstar | Dominic: Yeah. |
| 18:40.21 | Dominic | lordnazgul: the result would be interesting, certainly :) |
| 18:40.26 | lordnazgul | interesting idea thx |
| 18:40.47 | dstar | Dominic: Hmm. So I could do 'now + 24*$count hours' when building my command, if $count is the number of things already scheduled... |
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| 18:41.02 | Dominic | dstar: yep, that should work |
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| 18:41.16 | nkuttler | geeKISSexy: can't you just use mknod and create it? |
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| 18:41.19 | lordnazgul | basically the issue is i have a system with a whole bunch of stuff that i dont need on it , and want to remove it and anything it depended on that is no longer used |
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| 18:41.34 | lordnazgul | space is kind of critical |
| 18:41.45 | geeKISSexy | nkuttler: I haven't tried that. I'll see it now. |
| 18:41.46 | dstar | Dominic: Cool. That works. |
| 18:42.04 | Dominic | lordnazgul: I've always found aptitude to be good at picking up old packages that are no longer used by anything |
| 18:42.08 | dstar | Dominic: If it was anything as at, I'd file a bug that it doesn't accept its own date format. |
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| 18:42.16 | dstar | er, anything _but_ at |
| 18:42.45 | lordnazgul | well i guess ill just play around. thx dominic |
| 18:42.47 | Thug-N-Me | Alternatively you may set the MUSICBRAINZ_CFLAGS and MUSICBRAINZ_LIBS environment variables any help with this ? |
| 18:42.48 | cmdKeen | sepski, what does that mean for me when I need netinstall that way ? |
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| 18:43.19 | keex | hello |
| 18:43.46 | keex | how can one install "unstable" packages with atitude? |
| 18:43.51 | Dominic | dstar: I've just tried that and you're right... how odd |
| 18:43.59 | nkuttler | keex: do you run stable? |
| 18:44.00 | garo | I want to execute /usr/local/bin/foobar after booting, in which file should i put this command ? |
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| 18:44.23 | keex | nkuttler, yes... as far as I know |
| 18:44.33 | nkuttler | garo: write an init script, see /etc/init.d/skeleton and man update-rc.d |
| 18:44.45 | nkuttler | keex: then you don't. /msg dpkg backports |
| 18:44.56 | nkuttler | keex: or /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 18:45.16 | keex | IÄ |
| 18:45.22 | keex | I'll try that |
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| 18:46.48 | jenipapo | hi all |
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| 18:47.32 | jair_11 | why whne I run the command "hostname -f" I get localhos.localdomain instead the name of the "myhostname = mail.example.com"??? |
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| 18:48.12 | roler | after installing totem-gstreamer my totem crashes saying "Totem cannot start: No reason."... I had totem-xine before |
| 18:48.22 | roler | should i just switch back to xine or is gstreamer better? |
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| 18:50.20 | unstable | someone type apt-get install gtetrinet; and connect to tetrinet.debian.net, and watch me destroy them in tetris |
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| 18:51.40 | grendal_prime | dudes..the people in #suse use vnc to admin there linux servers??? does that make any sence?? |
| 18:51.57 | dumezil | when you have two dynamically configured interfaces, what determines the default route? i have eth0 and wlan0 and they both are connected, but they both added default routes into the routing table... i had to manually delete the wlan0 default route for anything to work (wlan0 is my work's wireless network which requires authentication) |
| 18:51.59 | valdyn | jair_11: cat /etc/hostname |
| 18:52.03 | grendal_prime | i mean they have to run a instance of x on the server for that to work right?? |
| 18:52.05 | SerajewelKS | grendal_prime: a better question is "do we care?" |
| 18:52.12 | Dominic | jair_11: check /etc/hostname |
| 18:52.21 | SerajewelKS | grendal_prime: yes, you would need an X server |
| 18:52.32 | SerajewelKS | !ep grendal_prime |
| 18:52.32 | dpkg | grendal_prime: Stop!!! Using!!!! So!!!!! Much!!!!! Punctuation!!!!!!!!!!! It's ..... Irritating ..... As ..... All .... Hell!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 18:52.36 | kspath_ | grendal_prime: pointy-clicky admins likely... |
| 18:52.47 | grendal_prime | hahahah |
| 18:52.52 | kspath_ | SerajewelKS: Hi... |
| 18:52.58 | grendal_prime | seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
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| 18:53.07 | loggygreg | jair_11: and /etc/hosts |
| 18:53.08 | SerajewelKS | kspath_: hello |
| 18:53.28 | kspath_ | SerajewelKS: You forgot the period after the o in hello? |
| 18:53.45 | aravind | hi, has anoyone noticed that the alternates command does not work as expected with mutt 1.5.11 ? |
| 18:53.52 | SerajewelKS | kspath_: uhm, yeah? and? |
| 18:54.00 | kspath_ | SerajewelKS: hehehe |
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| 18:57.20 | jair_11 | Dominic, valdyn loggygreg ok here is the /etc/hosts and hostmane: 1) command cat /etc/hostname output = enigma and the 2) command cat /etc/hosts gave me this: pastebin.com/589345 |
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| 18:58.11 | jair_11 | Dominic, valdyn loggygreg, and the name "enigma" is the hostname of the debian sarge 3.1 machine I am using. |
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| 18:59.27 | Rawplayer | re |
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| 18:59.47 | Dominic | jair_11: I have the same on my local system. Just change the order of the first line of /etc/hosts around if you want |
| 19:00.31 | jair_11 | Dominic, what do you mean? |
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| 19:00.31 | jenipapo | I am unable to install etch |
| 19:00.36 | abrotman | why not? |
| 19:00.47 | Dominic | jair_11: move enigma to the front of the list, before localhost.localdomain |
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| 19:00.56 | jenipapo | The system stops |
| 19:01.09 | jenipapo | after "Software choose and install" |
| 19:01.15 | jair_11 | Dominic, ok and then? |
| 19:01.16 | jenipapo | or something lake that |
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| 19:01.26 | Dominic | jair_11: try the command again ;) |
| 19:01.37 | jair_11 | Dominic, I am setting up a postfix mail server |
| 19:01.39 | priscila | jenipapo: is md5sum of iso ok? |
| 19:02.00 | jenipapo | I think no |
| 19:02.06 | jenipapo | not sure |
| 19:02.10 | jair_11 | Dominic, but I want it to show me the output: mail.example.com |
| 19:02.23 | jair_11 | Dominic, from the command "hostname -f" |
| 19:02.25 | Dominic | jair_11: I have little experience with Postfix, sorry, can't really help with that. |
| 19:02.26 | jenipapo | where is the md5 file ? |
| 19:02.35 | liquid | hello again, I did: apt-get remove lilo; apt-get install grub after that: grub-install /dev/sda <ENTER>, rebooted and ended up in a grub commandline after reboot. So what am I doing wrong while trying to replace lilo which is allready deinstalled? (I now booted with a bootfloppy) |
| 19:02.39 | Dominic | jair_11: it works fine here if you change the order. Have you done so? |
| 19:02.46 | jair_11 | Dominic, so then what are you telling me to do? |
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| 19:02.57 | jair_11 | Dominic, I will try now |
| 19:03.05 | Dominic | jair_11: change the order of the first line of /etc/hosts around so that "enigma" is at the start. |
| 19:03.32 | jair_11 | ok what that will make? |
| 19:03.37 | Dominic | jair_11: in Exim at least, there is an override setting which allows you to fix the hostname that it announces with |
| 19:03.40 | jair_11 | paste your output here |
| 19:03.42 | priscila | jenipapo: i don't know .. |
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| 19:03.50 | nonix4 | liquid: not much - you only need a menu entry |
| 19:03.53 | Dominic | jair_11: it should make hostname -f return with "enigma" as you asked |
| 19:03.54 | jair_11 | I do not use exim |
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| 19:04.05 | liquid | nonix4: how do I get that? |
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| 19:04.17 | jair_11 | Dominic, you certanly do not know what you are telling me |
| 19:04.23 | jair_11 | Dominic, thank you though |
| 19:04.35 | jenipapo | How could I get iso files by ftp ? |
| 19:04.39 | jair_11 | valdyn, please |
| 19:04.48 | valdyn | liquid: /etc/kernel-img.conf needs to be setup to use grub, then you need to reinstall or just dpkg-reconfigure your installed kernel image |
| 19:04.55 | Dominic | jair_11: please, elaborate |
| 19:05.10 | jair_11 | whne I do hostname -f I get -> localhost.localdomain |
| 19:05.28 | Dominic | jair_11: yes. Did you do as I suggested? |
| 19:05.29 | valdyn | jair_11: why should ´hostname -f' show your mailname? |
| 19:05.35 | jair_11 | how can I make it give me the output mail.example.com |
| 19:05.52 | jair_11 | valdyn, I am configuring "postfix" |
| 19:05.57 | Dominic | jair_11: I have told you three times. Even still, you should really be setting the hostname that you wish your MTA to announce, in the MTA config itself. |
| 19:06.15 | jair_11 | Dominic, I did that already |
| 19:06.24 | valdyn | jair_11: so? hostname has nothing to do with your mailname or your dns MX record |
| 19:06.33 | nonix4 | liquid: as valdyn said - but if you want to boot your sys, write (hd0,4)/boot/vmlinuz # or some such at the boot prompt, depending on your partition (that is assuming / being /dev/sda5 and only disk in the sys) |
| 19:06.50 | jair_11 | valdyn, then the crazy guys of the book of postfix are crazy :( |
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| 19:07.45 | jair_11 | valdyn, in "the book of postfix" they are telling me that I need to make sure that I get an output on the mail server of "mail.example.com" when I run the command "hostname -f" |
| 19:07.52 | valdyn | jair_11: you could 'just' edit /etc/hostname but postfix does not need that |
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| 19:08.01 | liquid | nonix4: /dev/sda1 = / so that would make me do a: hd0,? |
| 19:08.02 | IronRaiden | (#G4:0E110M1) hi |
| 19:08.05 | IronRaiden | (#G:10E578RM1) <Chr> |
| 19:08.12 | IronRaiden | (#G4:0E710M1) Hi Every One |
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| 19:08.26 | liquid | nonix4: /dev/sda5 = swap |
| 19:08.27 | valdyn | jair_11: that sounds like bullshit |
| 19:08.29 | jair_11 | valdyn, then the guys of the book of postfix are crazy :( |
| 19:08.35 | jair_11 | valdyn, hahaha |
| 19:08.38 | IronRaiden | (#G:10E<10M1Tliquid) someone know grils here? |
| 19:08.45 | IronRaiden | (#G110E@44RM1Tliquid) <Chr> |
| 19:08.49 | IronRaiden | (#G838E>34RM1Tliquid) <Chr> |
| 19:08.55 | jair_11 | I will scan the book and send you the part that says that |
| 19:08.58 | jair_11 | you will see |
| 19:09.01 | abrotman | IronRaiden: STOP PASTING |
| 19:09.07 | nonix4 | liquid: kernel (hd0,0)/boot/vmlinuz # possibly other options here, like mounting read-only |
| 19:09.18 | IronRaiden | (#G:10E110M1Tabrotman) pasting what? |
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| 19:09.18 | jair_11 | ok guys time to get lunch for me |
| 19:09.20 | jair_11 | thanks |
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| 19:09.26 | jair_11 | I will be back later |
| 19:09.48 | abrotman | IronRaiden: is your IRC client a pile of shit? |
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| 19:10.02 | resiak | Yes, yes it is |
| 19:10.12 | cmdKeen | well... it is POSSIBLE to do debian netinstall with modem connected directly to USB ? I can't the hell stfw anything useful... |
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| 19:11.33 | sepski | cmdKeen, if your usb adapter is supported in 2.6.8 then probably yes. otherways probably not by the regular netinstall |
| 19:11.35 | nonix4 | liquid: quite often people also want to tell their kernels which root partition to use - root=/dev/sda1 |
| 19:11.56 | touch | hello! I use gentoo and I'd like to install a debian distro to my system but I don't have a floppy drive or a cdrom on my computer so I would like to install it from existing gentoo installation on other partition |
| 19:12.06 | touch | my question is: http://people.debian.org/~blade/install/debootstrap/ |
| 19:12.18 | touch | is this bootstrap ok? |
| 19:12.24 | abrotman | !debootstrap |
| 19:12.24 | dpkg | from memory, debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html |
| 19:12.26 | abrotman | !debtakeover |
| 19:12.26 | dpkg | Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandribble and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
| 19:12.39 | dumezil | which is better to use for my soundcard driver: alsa or oss? |
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| 19:12.54 | touch | abrotman, thanks |
| 19:13.03 | liquid | uhm I'm stuck. nonix4, valdyn : I can' t figure out what to do now. I deinstalled lilo allready. installed grub and did a grub-install /dev/sda (no errors). I'm using the image: www.tienhuis.nl/areca with the 2.4 kernel. I first need to get grub working |
| 19:13.10 | liquid | I prefer grub instead of lilo. |
| 19:13.21 | liquid | then do a kernel upgrade afterwards |
| 19:13.21 | xored | how to get FTPFS running under stable sarge with an 2.6.8 kernel. The only thing i can find, is FTPFS for 2.4 |
| 19:13.44 | abrotman | !fuse |
| 19:13.54 | abrotman | xored: look for fuse .. iirc anyways |
| 19:14.01 | xored | ok |
| 19:14.04 | xored | thank you abrotman |
| 19:14.25 | nonix4 | liquid: well I haven't used the prompt for ages - what happens if you first type that kernel line at the prompt and then type "boot" ? |
| 19:14.34 | abrotman | dumezil: Alsa is better in most cases .. what is your kernel? |
| 19:14.49 | liquid | uhm can you please repeat the kernelline? |
| 19:14.56 | liquid | one moment I'll scroll back up |
| 19:15.00 | jenipapo | just a questio : |
| 19:15.17 | nonix4 | liquid: kernel (hd0,0)/boot/vmlinuz |
| 19:15.28 | jenipapo | is md5sum -c MD5SUM is a correct syntax? |
| 19:15.34 | liquid | that's what I type at: grub> ? |
| 19:15.48 | xored | abrotman: as i can see in the package list, there are only fuse sources and fuse utils. Do i need the latest sources or just use the one in the packeg list ? |
| 19:16.02 | liquid | nonix4: file not found |
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| 19:16.03 | abrotman | xored: you sohuld probably check and make sure it even has ftpfs |
| 19:16.14 | nonix4 | liquid: do you have a separate boot partition? |
| 19:16.15 | sgeigerbot | jenipapo: Why didn't you look at the man page? |
| 19:16.18 | abrotman | jenipapo: for what? |
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| 19:16.28 | xerophyte | which file system is good for webserver cluster .. nfs,cobra, afs ?? |
| 19:16.38 | nonix4 | liquid: ... or a better question: name of your kernel image = ? |
| 19:16.41 | liquid | nonix4: no, just a / and a swap partition |
| 19:16.45 | xored | abrotman: you mean the version /sources out of the stable, package list ? |
| 19:17.04 | nonix4 | liquid: it might have tab completition even at the boot-time prompt - try that after the /boot/ :-) |
| 19:17.07 | jenipapo | I read man page |
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| 19:17.22 | liquid | well the kernel image is called: 2.4.30-bf2.4 |
| 19:17.25 | jenipapo | The question is that etch iso image test allways fails |
| 19:17.26 | cmdKeen | sepski, well, as I think of it I may install it on my box and then set it up on the other one... but I don't have even idea how to do that without eths... ummm... is there something about that or net or SOMETHING... |
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| 19:17.33 | jenipapo | even I reload the file |
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| 19:17.50 | jenipapo | i don't understand... |
| 19:18.02 | abrotman | xored: i mean .. make sure FUSE has what you need at all . check the fuse website |
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| 19:18.28 | jenipapo | abrotman: I would to test integrity of iso files |
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| 19:18.40 | liquid | nonix4: indeed it does have it. but nonix4 how do I get the boot menu to be able to select different kernel images beside the ones available |
| 19:18.43 | liquid | ? |
| 19:18.49 | xored | abrotman: i was here at afternoon, one said fuse is able to let that work. I just started the other advise with FTPFS |
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| 19:18.57 | liquid | err s/ones/one |
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| 19:19.06 | auxiliary | I use the evolution calendar because I like the user interface. The sarge version of evolution, 2.0.4, seems to be two major versions out of date. Despite liking the program, I have a lot of gripes about bugs and omissions in my version. Is anyone using the new version of evolution on Sarge? Is it possible? Is it better? |
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| 19:19.17 | xored | abrotman: so in conclusion it should work with fuse. I use the 2.5er sources, the ones in the package list are 2.2, a bit old |
| 19:19.17 | resiak | !backports |
| 19:19.17 | dpkg | i guess backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 19:19.18 | nonix4 | liquid: so you got it booting? |
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| 19:20.04 | Red_Cloud | Need simple info. While installing the X-window-system-core I must choose my monitor resolution. The screen for this choice appears and I can cursor up and down from choice to choice but I have forgotten what key or keys to use to choose my resolution selections. Help? And please hold the laughter down to a roar. |
| 19:20.14 | liquid | nonix4: not sure yet I'm on the box right now and here. But I tried it with tab completion and I did get the kernel image to appear. so the thing is to get a menu as the one that comes with sarge by default (the new iso image that is) |
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| 19:20.44 | liquid | nonix4: I tried it in the grub bash like command line thingy |
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| 19:20.57 | nonix4 | liquid: well, do you have an initrd? |
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| 19:21.12 | nonix4 | liquid: you can check that by tab-completing for initrd :-) |
| 19:21.13 | abrotman | jenipapo: md5sum <filename> |
| 19:21.15 | liquid | uhm I really don't know |
| 19:21.22 | liquid | okay one moment please |
| 19:21.30 | bcc | hi guys, does anybody do consulting here? i'm having problems with my printer and i'm willing to pay to someone who can help me fix them. |
| 19:21.55 | liquid | nonix4: no initrd.img in /boot |
| 19:22.17 | abrotman | xored: http://fuse.sourceforge.net/ |
| 19:22.20 | nonix4 | liquid: local sarge boxes have initrd-2.4.31 and vmlinuz-2.4.31 |
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| 19:22.58 | liquid | nonix4: this one doesn't have a initrd.img |
| 19:22.58 | tchino | when i startx, i get the message: xmodmap, unable to open file /etc/X11/Xmodmap-numeric, what is wrong? Normally i had installed xconf, where can i set it to standard |
| 19:23.02 | xored | abrotman: yes thank you, iam on it right now |
| 19:23.11 | liquid | nonix4: I did install initrd-tools and stuff |
| 19:23.17 | abrotman | xored: ok .. have fun |
| 19:23.30 | liquid | brb reboot |
| 19:23.33 | nonix4 | liquid: it doesn't have that .img suffix here either... |
| 19:23.50 | lalberto | hi |
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| 19:25.57 | nonix4 | Any ideas how much a 2.5" ide <-> usb (1.1 only laptop, damn) "cable" would be? How much extra for some kind of a case? |
| 19:26.05 | tchino | how can set xconf as standard, not xmodmap |
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| 19:26.24 | corwin | hi |
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| 19:26.38 | corwin | does anyone know how can I undo "http_proxy=http://proxy:port/ |
| 19:26.38 | corwin | " command? |
| 19:26.48 | resiak | nonix4: In Hong Kong, the equivalent of 4GBP, I seem to recall ;) |
| 19:26.53 | resiak | corwin: http_proxy= |
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| 19:27.27 | corwin | resiak: sorry I didn't get it. will I just write http_proxy= and all http proxy stuff will go away? |
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| 19:28.05 | eeyore- | nonix4: there isn't a "cable" to go from IDE to usb |
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| 19:28.57 | astra-x | nonix4, there is a ide to usb converter. you can use to make a ide drive hotpluggable |
| 19:29.01 | corwin | while I was trying to install microsoft fonts, my dpkg interrupted |
| 19:29.08 | eeyore- | nonix4: however there are several solutions for external enclosures that support 2.5" drives. they vary in price. my guess is around $25 at the cheapest |
| 19:29.17 | nonix4 | eeyore-: it is an adapter, yes... wondering whether all of them are supported or just some of them |
| 19:29.21 | corwin | I can install, uninstall, etc.. any other packages right now |
| 19:29.58 | eeyore- | nonix4: but really for best bang/buck ratio, go for firewire :-) want some URL? |
| 19:29.58 | nonix4 | eeyore-: I've seen ones that miss the enclosure part and only have the converter |
| 19:30.17 | nonix4 | eeyore-: hmm... that sounds interesting as I do indeed have firewire! |
| 19:30.19 | eeyore- | nonix4: those are called bridgeboards, and they don't readily support 2.5" 44-pin |
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| 19:30.39 | eeyore- | nonix4: the widely available bridgeboards are 40-pin PATA |
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| 19:31.09 | nonix4 | eeyore-: And 44-pin ones are? I've been out of the h/w scene for couple of years |
| 19:31.34 | corwin | does anyone know nothing about my problem? :( |
| 19:31.35 | eeyore- | nonix4: 44-pins are what's used in 2.5" drives - additional 4 pins are for power, however the pin pitch is different |
| 19:31.46 | valdyn | !tell corwin -about ask |
| 19:31.53 | eeyore- | nonix4: so you end up having to supply power (somehow) and get yet another cable ... not good :-) |
| 19:31.55 | tchino | how can reconfigure xconf |
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| 19:32.06 | dpm_ | I'm installing sarge on a primary partition on my second hard disk (hdb1). On my first hard disk I've got grub installed. Do I need to set the "Bootable flag" of hdb1 to "on" in the debian installer's partitioner? |
| 19:32.18 | nonix4 | eeyore-: oh yeah... that adapter had external power supply |
| 19:32.29 | valdyn | dpm_: no |
| 19:32.32 | corwin | o.k |
| 19:32.44 | dpm_ | valdyn: thanks |
| 19:32.53 | eeyore- | nonix4: so, www.cooldrives.com |
| 19:32.59 | tchino | how can set xconf as standard, not xmodmap |
| 19:33.08 | nonix4 | eeyore-: but as I have firewire (detected @boot), that is the way I should go - especially since the usb in this laptop is 1.1 only |
| 19:33.09 | corwin | I was just trying to install microsoft fonts. when it was tryin to get the fonts from the sourceforge servers it seems the servers are down. |
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| 19:33.33 | eeyore- | nonix4: http://www.cooldrives.com/exulsl2hdden.html dual usb/firewire, $50 |
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| 19:33.37 | corwin | I just googled and found out a command like "http_proxy=http://proxy:port" |
| 19:33.45 | corwin | somebody suggested to use it |
| 19:33.54 | corwin | so I tried it with port 80 |
| 19:33.55 | liquid | nonix4: hi, no go. it says that the kernel needs to be loaded before booting blah blah |
| 19:34.22 | corwin | but a disaster happened. now I can't install, uninstall anything because it says dpkg interrupted |
| 19:34.49 | dpm_ | another question: on the debian installer's partitioner, what does the small icon resembling a skull that appears next to my swap partition mean? |
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| 19:34.51 | valdyn | corwin: paste your errors |
| 19:34.55 | corwin | pkg --configure -a |
| 19:35.02 | corwin | doesn't work either |
| 19:35.09 | eeyore- | nonix4: why 2.5"? |
| 19:35.27 | eeyore- | nonix4: they run hot :-) you know you can get 250GB drives for around $90 these days? |
| 19:35.28 | valdyn | dpm_: that the partitions contents will be erased i think |
| 19:35.31 | corwin | no errors at all |
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| 19:35.51 | corwin | when I try dpkg --configure -a |
| 19:35.58 | corwin | it tries to connect to the server |
| 19:36.10 | corwin | but just because the server is down, it just hangs up there |
| 19:36.15 | eeyore- | nonix4: this one is my favourite http://www.cooldrives.com/copr0fi80ald.html |
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| 19:36.32 | valdyn | corwin: 'http_proxy= dpkg --configure -a |
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| 19:37.15 | quiet | what is a decent... relatively small image viewer? |
| 19:37.15 | quiet | pornview segfault |
| 19:37.15 | quiet | +s |
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| 19:37.16 | valdyn | !xli |
| 19:37.16 | corwin | valdyn: what does exactly that command do? |
| 19:37.38 | valdyn | corwin: guess |
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| 19:37.41 | dpm_ | valdyn: so I guess it's ok if it is just swap. Is there any info anywhere about this icons? After a quick look, I couldn't find anything at debian.org. |
| 19:37.43 | sparr | is there any easy way to get an older nvidia driver in debian? getting the individual packages out of snapshots and forcing module-assistant to build them is less than optimal |
| 19:37.51 | valdyn | dpm_: no idea |
| 19:38.08 | dpm_ | ok, thanks anyway |
| 19:38.08 | chealer9 | sparr: which one? |
| 19:38.11 | corwin | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:38.11 | corwin | Password: |
| 19:38.11 | corwin | sudo: http_proxy=: command not found |
| 19:38.19 | valdyn | sparr: there's an nvidia legacy driver package now i think |
| 19:38.19 | corwin | valdyn: gives this error |
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| 19:38.24 | corwin | doesn't work either :( |
| 19:38.32 | sparr | chealer9: 7676 in particular, anything before 8000 if theres an easy way |
| 19:38.40 | sparr | valdyn: a tad too legacy, 7174 i think |
| 19:38.45 | valdyn | corwin: "http_proxy='' dpkg --configure -a" |
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| 19:39.14 | fueL\ | Hey guys, I just got a server with dual xeon 64 bit processors. Which debian image do I need? (64 bit newb) |
| 19:39.21 | fueL\ | i'm assuming amd64 |
| 19:39.32 | thingfish | nope |
| 19:39.36 | valdyn | fueL\: you can chose between debian/i386 and debian/amd64 |
| 19:39.45 | chealer9 | sparr: which release do you use? |
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| 19:39.57 | fueL\ | valdyn: what's the diff between the two? |
| 19:39.57 | corwin | valdyn: should I use exactly that command? |
| 19:40.01 | dpm_ | valdyn: you were right, the small skull icon means that the selected partition will be formatted |
| 19:40.09 | dpm_ | just doing it now |
| 19:40.11 | sparr | chealer9: 8178 now, but i just learned its buggy, i need to go back to 7xxx, 7676 preferably |
| 19:40.17 | sparr | chealer9: oh, debian release. unstable |
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| 19:40.30 | valdyn | fueL\: this leads to far, but im sure google knows |
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| 19:40.47 | corwin | valdyn: this doesn't work either. sudo: http_proxy=: command not found |
| 19:40.52 | touch | !sid |
| 19:40.52 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 19:40.55 | tchino | i upgrade my debian testing, now when i login under kde, it comes a black screen, and i come back to login, what is wrong? |
| 19:41.08 | touch | !sarge |
| 19:41.08 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 19:41.24 | valdyn | corwin: dont put sudo in front of the http, if you need to use sudo then: 'http_proxy='' sudo dpkg --configure -a' |
| 19:41.25 | chealer9 | tchino: how do you login? kdm? |
| 19:41.35 | thingfish | what's ia64 for, then? |
| 19:41.36 | chealer9 | !tell touch about msg the bot |
| 19:41.45 | valdyn | thingfish: Itanium |
| 19:41.50 | thingfish | ah |
| 19:42.02 | touch | ok |
| 19:42.07 | chealer9 | sparr: did you try the legacy drivers? |
| 19:42.18 | xored | someone ever used fuse with FTP ? i installed fuse, now got FuseFTP,gridFTP or curlFTP to get a FTP -FS mounted. Which is to prefer |
| 19:42.20 | sparr | chealer9: they will work, but they are far older than i want |
| 19:42.42 | chealer9 | sparr: why do you need old drivers? |
| 19:42.53 | sparr | because the new ones are broken |
| 19:42.59 | Shadda | I for one like the dcc exploit--one can immediately tell who the kiddies are |
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| 19:43.07 | tchino | chealer: kdm |
| 19:43.16 | tchino | chealer9: kdm |
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| 19:44.35 | chealer9 | tchino: any clue in X logs or xsession-errors? |
| 19:44.39 | corwin | valdyn: doesn't work either. I need to deactivate http_proxy= somehow |
| 19:44.51 | valdyn | corwin: no |
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| 19:45.00 | tchino | chealer9: then i login under console and startx manually, then i get the message, that the file /etc/X11/Xmodmap-numeric not found, but before i have xconf.org the standard |
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| 19:45.33 | valdyn | corwin: echo $http_proxy |
| 19:46.03 | nonix4 | Hmm, 2TB firewire for 1.6k eur... |
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| 19:46.07 | jatos | hi |
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| 19:46.22 | jatos | anyone get a sources.list to handy? |
| 19:46.37 | liquid | okay once again. I can't get grub to replace lilo foor good. Can someone tell me what to do beside: grub-install /dev/sda ? because it doesn't boot the kernel image. and I don't have a initrd.img. I'm using the iso from www.tienhuis.nl/areca woody iso which I upgraded to sarge. |
| 19:46.40 | jatos | if so I would be glad if someone could pastbin it |
| 19:46.44 | nonix4 | ... and 80GB overpriced at 175e |
| 19:46.44 | sepski | jatos, apt-setups have one for you all the time |
| 19:46.52 | sepski | -s |
| 19:47.02 | valdyn | liquid: paste your /etc/kernel-img.conf somewhere |
| 19:47.02 | corwin | valdyn: doesn't work either. still trying to use proxy :( |
| 19:47.08 | liquid | ok |
| 19:47.09 | valdyn | corwin: bullshit |
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| 19:47.21 | jatos | apt-setups? |
| 19:47.21 | valdyn | corwin: run the command i told you, it works. |
| 19:47.28 | thingfish | jatos: apt-setup |
| 19:47.34 | sepski | !apt-setup |
| 19:47.34 | dpkg | i guess apt-setup is a means of adding deb/deb-src lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list so that you can install packages from the internet. To install from a cd-rom ask me about 'apt-cdrom'. |
| 19:47.43 | jatos | thanks |
| 19:47.46 | valdyn | corwin: doesnt work is a very useless info too, either there's a specific error or there is not |
| 19:48.00 | tchino | chealer9: FreeFontPath has an error |
| 19:48.02 | valdyn | !doesn't work |
| 19:48.02 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 19:48.05 | chealer9 | sparr: what's the problem with snapshot? |
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| 19:48.09 | auxiliary | I use the evolution calendar because I like the user interface. The sarge version of evolution, 2.0.4, seems to be two major versions out of date. Despite liking the program, I have a lot of gripes about bugs and omissions in my version. Is anyone using the new version of evolution on Sarge? Is it possible? Is it better? |
| 19:48.10 | Agentj87 | hi |
| 19:48.13 | corwin | valdyn: there's no specific error. I ran this command and then ran dpkg --configure -a |
| 19:48.23 | tchino | chealer9: what can i do? |
| 19:48.26 | Agentj87 | i need sum help rarin files in diectory i wanted to know where in the command line does the size of rars go |
| 19:48.28 | liquid | nonix4: I don't have one :/ |
| 19:48.28 | corwin | and it still tries to connect through proxy |
| 19:48.35 | corwin | and hangs there |
| 19:48.39 | corwin | enough info? |
| 19:48.42 | valdyn | corwin: doh, that is not surprising |
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| 19:48.49 | sparr | chealer9: its a pain in the ass, since i have to get multiple packages |
| 19:48.54 | valdyn | corwin: i just want you to run that command and tell me the output you are getting |
| 19:48.58 | thingfish | auxiliary: you might check backports.org for a newer evolution for sarge. |
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| 19:49.01 | tchino | chealer9: where can set xconf.org as standard |
| 19:49.14 | jatos | running apt-setup |
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| 19:49.21 | chealer9 | sparr: how many/which ones? |
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| 19:49.32 | chealer9 | tchino: xconf.org? |
| 19:49.36 | sparr | chealer9: nvidia-kernel-source, nvidia-glx... i forget the others |
| 19:49.36 | auxiliary | thingfish: that is a good idea, but I didn't find anything when I looked. |
| 19:49.43 | tchino | chealer9: i mean xorg.conf |
| 19:49.50 | chealer9 | sparr: that makes two |
| 19:49.53 | corwin | valdyn: Resolving unc.dl.sourceforge.net... 152.2.210.121 |
| 19:49.53 | corwin | Connecting to unc.dl.sourceforge.net|152.2.210.121|:80.. |
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| 19:49.58 | thingfish | auxiliary: I wasn't sure if they had a newer one or not. |
| 19:50.02 | corwin | the output is like that exactly |
| 19:50.18 | valdyn | corwin: that is NOT the output of 'echo $http_proxy' |
| 19:50.21 | corwin | still tryin to use proxy at port 80 |
| 19:50.22 | tchino | chealer9: before i had it, now i get a message of xmodmap, that the freefontpath not right |
| 19:50.36 | corwin | valdyn: that's the output of dpkg --configure -a |
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| 19:50.56 | auxiliary | I tried building a newer version of evolution from a src-package, but I ran into a chain of dependencies that I think was leading to a new version of gnome. |
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| 19:51.18 | corwin | valdyn: but proxy must have gone after echo $http_proxy command? |
| 19:51.23 | valdyn | corwin: you're making this difficult really, if i tell you to run a command, you run that command and tell me what it sais, if you keep doing something else i cant help you |
| 19:51.25 | corwin | valdyn: am I right? |
| 19:51.26 | sparr | chealer9: two is multiple :) |
| 19:51.27 | Seb | sup yall |
| 19:51.29 | valdyn | corwin: no |
| 19:51.36 | corwin | valdyn: ok. |
| 19:51.36 | tchino | chealer9: do you have an idea?! |
| 19:51.44 | chealer9 | sparr: I have much sympathy for you |
| 19:51.46 | corwin | valdyn:I'll tell you what happens step by step |
| 19:51.52 | sparr | nvidia-kernel-common also |
| 19:52.00 | mejo | how can i convert a string into utf8? original can be in any iso-8859-* |
| 19:52.07 | tchino | ;( |
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| 19:52.19 | valdyn | !recode |
| 19:52.20 | chealer9 | sparr: I don't see why you'd need an old nvidia-kernel-common |
| 19:52.20 | sparr | and maybe nvidia-settings. maybe. i dont remember if that is older than 7676 or not |
| 19:52.31 | corwin | valdyn:corwin@ubuntu:~$ echo $http_proxy |
| 19:52.31 | corwin | corwin@ubuntu:~$ |
| 19:52.42 | corwin | that what happens when I type out that command |
| 19:52.46 | nonix4 | liquid: ok, what did it complain about when trying to boot again? |
| 19:52.46 | valdyn | corwin: very good, you have no http_proxy set. |
| 19:52.55 | corwin | seems pretty nothing |
| 19:53.00 | nonix4 | liquid: try "root (hd0,0)" before the other commands |
| 19:53.04 | valdyn | corwin: so that for sure is not your error |
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| 19:53.14 | sparr | chealer9: the one i have now is newer than the driver i want to install. i assume it would need to be downgraded |
| 19:53.16 | tchino | :( nobody can help me, my windowmanager not start |
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| 19:53.29 | corwin | valdyn: but why is that still trying to connect to port 80 for hourse (maybe even days if I don't terminate it |
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| 19:53.47 | chealer9 | sparr: I don't see why |
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| 19:53.54 | nonix4 | liquid: you may also add "root=/dev/sda1" to the end of the kernel line, separated by space as usual |
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| 19:54.13 | valdyn | corwin: run 'dpkg --purge msttcorefonts' |
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| 19:54.53 | sparr | chealer9: i assumed the old driver would depend on packages that existed at the time |
| 19:55.01 | liquid | okay nonix4. But I'm hopeless now... brb |
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| 19:56.21 | corwin | valdyn: thank you very much. it worked :D |
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| 19:57.09 | valdyn | corwin: you just cant install msttcorefonts, period. The server that package tries to grab fonts from is broken. |
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| 19:57.39 | dpm_ | ok, I've done an installation of sarge with the minimal install iso and I'm at the CLI. How do I quickly install a graphical desktop environment, say gnome? |
| 19:57.55 | tchino | when i startx, it cannot load the fontpath of xorg.conf, what is wrong? |
| 19:57.56 | corwin | valdyn: thanks for all the help |
| 19:57.57 | corwin | bye |
| 19:58.04 | valdyn | dpm_: apt-get install x-window-system-core gnome |
| 19:58.17 | dpm_ | ok, thanks |
| 19:58.20 | valdyn | dpm_: make that apt-get install x-window-system-core gnome gdm |
| 19:58.23 | chealer9 | sparr: it does |
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| 19:58.43 | dpm_ | valdyn: I'll try that, thx |
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| 19:59.12 | beleys | poy |
| 19:59.22 | linoleum | hello, is there an application like peercast or geekcast, under KDE ?? thanks |
| 19:59.37 | chealer9 | tchino: do you have errors in X's log ("EE")? |
| 19:59.44 | chealer9 | linoleum: ask #debian-kde |
| 19:59.49 | tchino | i think, my local-font-server goes wrong |
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| 20:01.11 | tchino | chealer9: what you mean with X's log? -> /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 20:02.10 | chealer9 | tchino: yes |
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| 20:03.33 | tchino | chealer9: could not init font path element unix:7200, removing from list |
| 20:03.42 | junix-other | anyone know what port ntop runs off of? |
| 20:03.48 | chealer9 | tchino: is that really an error? |
| 20:03.59 | ansong | has anyone managed to get popfile working with gmail & kmail? |
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| 20:05.19 | numist | spb: wasnt here |
| 20:05.30 | spb | i know |
| 20:05.44 | numist | k :) |
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| 20:06.35 | tchino | chealer9: xmodmap: unable to open file '/etc/X11/Xmodmap-numeric' for reading |
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| 20:06.56 | chealer9 | tchino: can you paste the entire line from X's log? |
| 20:07.14 | tchino | chealer9: 1 error encourtered, abording |
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| 20:07.41 | tchino | chealer9: how can i do paste on the console |
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| 20:08.09 | chealer9 | tchino: I never did that |
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| 20:09.29 | jatos | damn kde takes ages to d/l |
| 20:09.32 | chealer9 | tchino: but I see that it seems to be the problem now |
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| 20:10.33 | Nwallins | hello, my version of emacs on the command line is behaving strangely in Etch... are there any known issues? |
| 20:10.35 | chealer9 | tchino: I don't know how you would get a "default" xorg.conf |
| 20:10.46 | chealer9 | Nwallins: most likely |
| 20:10.50 | ansong | speaking of kde, is #kde more for developers or is it kind of a help channel? |
| 20:11.05 | chealer9 | ansong: probably kind of a help channel, but ask them |
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| 20:11.56 | tchino | chaeler9: /etc/X11/Xmodmap-numeric is the error, that file is not extist at my computer |
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| 20:12.08 | dondelelcaro | Nwallins: it would help if you described the behavoir so someone could deal with it. |
| 20:12.09 | chealer9 | tchino: not on mine neither |
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| 20:12.31 | tchino | chaeler9: but why comes those stupid message |
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| 20:12.42 | chealer9 | tchino: previous Debian X.org packages were buggy and brought debconf values back to default everytime, but that's mostly fixed now :S |
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| 20:12.47 | Nwallins | dondelelcaro: well, I'll be editing a line, and most of the time it behaves normally. sometimes weird spaces are inserted, and the view from emacs isn't necessarily what `less` shows |
| 20:12.50 | nonix4 | Huh, 15krpm drives are still priced quite a bit above 10krpm ones :-) |
| 20:13.06 | tchino | chealer9: how can i fix that |
| 20:13.12 | chealer9 | tchino: I think it would be a good idea to try with a new xorg.conf, but as I said I don't know how to reset to defaults |
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| 20:13.29 | nonix4 | (usually 2x the price for those last bits of performance) |
| 20:13.38 | chealer9 | tchino: I don't know about that particular error, if the default configuration doesn't work, only Google or others here will know |
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| 20:14.02 | Nwallins | dondelelcaro: basically about 10% of the time, emacs behaves bizarrely, in that what it shows is not what i am typing. i have to exit and restart constantly to get work done |
| 20:14.36 | Nwallins | dondelelcaro: on a line-by-line basis, the lines that I am not editing stay 'normal' |
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| 20:15.40 | tchino | how can do the messages of output from startx in a txt-file |
| 20:15.41 | nonix4 | Two 15krpm 147GB U320 drives costs 40% more than a 2TB firewire raid-0 solution. |
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| 20:15.51 | jatos | whats kstars? |
| 20:16.00 | edmont | hey guys |
| 20:16.06 | jatos | hey edmont |
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| 20:16.22 | edmont | somebody from england? can i ask him something about traveling there? |
| 20:16.31 | jatos | yeah I am from england |
| 20:16.37 | jatos | what ya wanna know? |
| 20:16.40 | Nwallins | dondelelcaro: it almost seems like a remote keyboard is toying with my emacs session |
| 20:17.00 | edmont | do you know what's the best way of going from stansted airport to kettering? |
| 20:17.21 | edmont | by bus or train, i mean |
| 20:17.37 | Ketter | damn highlight feature.. |
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| 20:17.44 | tchino | chealer: how can turn round the messages of output from startx in a txt-file |
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| 20:17.51 | tchino | chealer9: how can turn round the messages of output from startx in a txt-file |
| 20:17.53 | Acid`X | how do i disable ACPI at boot time? |
| 20:18.13 | jatos | no, when do you need to know by, there plenty of people I know who will know |
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| 20:19.02 | chealer9 | tchino: I suppose with shell redirection, $ command > log; |
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| 20:19.24 | dondelelcaro | Nwallins: hrm... that's really strange. |
| 20:19.32 | chealer9 | jatos: something you just asked us about? |
| 20:20.17 | Nwallins | dondelelcaro: yeah, i am really hoping it's a bug ;) |
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| 20:21.41 | dondelelcaro | Nwallins: I've personally never seen that before thoug; odds are you've got some strange .el code loaded... |
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| 20:23.14 | nonix4 | Anyone know the diff of firewire 4 and 6 cable versions? |
| 20:23.14 | Nwallins | dondelelcaro: yeah, i added some stuff like 2 weeks ago, but have only noticed issues this week |
| 20:23.27 | Nwallins | dondelelcaro: i'll unload some stuff and see what happens |
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| 20:23.31 | xored | !paste |
| 20:23.31 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 20:23.33 | csalad_ | hy all |
| 20:23.52 | xored | !paste |
| 20:23.52 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 20:23.59 | csalad_ | how can i mount my mobilphone (motov3)?? |
| 20:24.10 | dondelelcaro | xored: I think we've got the point... |
| 20:24.30 | xored | dondelelcaro: sorry, it was a scroll mistake..didnt see the line |
| 20:24.50 | csalad_ | how can i mount my mobilphone (motov3)?? anyone? please help |
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| 20:25.20 | jatos | I wish WiFi was more stable |
| 20:25.22 | Nwallins | csalad_: scotch tape works, but not for long and not in bad weather ;) |
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| 20:25.35 | csalad_ | ? |
| 20:25.38 | xored | i try to get fuse with fuseftp running. when i try the example, i get this error : http://channels.debian.net/paste/2006 |
| 20:25.39 | csalad_ | what? |
| 20:25.45 | jatos | I installing KDE and my AP keeps cutting out |
| 20:25.46 | csalad_ | i don't understand you |
| 20:26.13 | Nwallins | csalad_: bad joke. (hence the winkey smiley) |
| 20:26.14 | jatos | AP = Access Point, as in Wireless Accecss point |
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| 20:27.10 | jatos | sorry, just five hours behind the convo here |
| 20:27.45 | Nwallins | csalad_: your question is tough to answer without more details. how are you connecting the phone to your computer? |
| 20:27.50 | junix-other | how do i setup ntop? |
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| 20:27.54 | abrotman | !find Fuse.pm sarge |
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| 20:28.26 | jatos | btw, anyone know any decent FTP clients? gftp SUCKS |
| 20:28.53 | r3tex | jatos: proftpd? |
| 20:29.09 | abrotman | clients .. not servers |
| 20:29.09 | jatos | I thought that was a server |
| 20:29.48 | sgeigerbot | Can a Windows client log into Active Directory when it is behind a NAT device? People usually use windows VPN for that, but I'm trying to share my Linux box's ppp/ssh vpn connection with a windows computer and the Windows computer is able to access the VPN but not log into Active Directory. The Linux box is doing NAT, which I suspect is the problem. I wonder whether making the linux box share the vpn connection as a bridge wi |
| 20:29.48 | sgeigerbot | ll solve this problem. Any ideas? |
| 20:29.49 | abrotman | ncftp ? |
| 20:30.04 | mrunix | hello guys |
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| 20:30.11 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: it hinky ou have to open some ports |
| 20:30.15 | xored | someone can help me installing fuse ? |
| 20:30.23 | jatos | right my AP is officially REALLY getting on my nerves |
| 20:30.26 | sgeigerbot | lftp is also good |
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| 20:30.34 | jatos | thanks |
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| 20:30.59 | fl0w | hey0. I just installed debian sarge stable on my system with apache1.3. Now, I want php5 but I can't find it. I belive it's becuase its not in "stable" yet, am I right? |
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| 20:31.24 | abrotman | fl0w: correct |
| 20:31.50 | junix-other | abrotman: do you know anythign about ntop in stable? |
| 20:32.13 | fl0w | so I guess my question is how I go from here? :) Am I on the path when I say "Add an unstable source to /path/"? |
| 20:32.16 | jatos | ah at last kde has finished downloading, my AP should stabilise now |
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| 20:33.02 | sussi | hi, using etch and starting a tuturial to get in touch with ruby, starting a skript with #!/usr/bin/ruby |
| 20:33.02 | sussi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:33.27 | N0S3 | hello |
| 20:33.30 | N0S3 | i have this problem |
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| 20:33.51 | alienbrain_ | fl0w, there are _unofficial_ php5 deb packages for sarge (stable), they, and their installation instructions, are available here: dotdeb.org |
| 20:33.59 | jatos | WTF, Gmail has jsut crashed Firefox on my PC |
| 20:33.59 | caffei | anyone know why $DISPLAY isn't passed with su? how can I accomplish this without presetting $DISPLAY? |
| 20:34.03 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: oh, that wouldn't be so hard. hmmm. thanks. |
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| 20:34.42 | fl0w | alienbrain_, thank you! |
| 20:34.48 | sussi | have i to take something in account than chmod +x for the script? |
| 20:35.01 | alienbrain_ | caffei, don't add the trailing - to su |
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| 20:35.30 | abrotman | junix-other: you run it? |
| 20:35.33 | alienbrain_ | caffei, that will leave all other environment variables (that you may not want) too |
| 20:35.37 | caffei | alienbrain_, ugh, that's going to change the profile/rc behavior too... I guess I should do that. |
| 20:35.37 | abrotman | caffei: sux |
| 20:35.40 | cahoot | caffei: use sux or sudo |
| 20:35.41 | abrotman | !sux |
| 20:35.41 | dpkg | hmm... sux is su with xauth, to run X apps as root: http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ or sucks, or "I have an exagerrated opinion about something I don't really know much about.", or apt-get install sux, or something that anyone who spells "sucks" as "sux" does. |
| 20:35.47 | junix-other | abrotman: i'm trying to set it up, using apache2 |
| 20:35.55 | evaarties | hi. |
| 20:35.58 | caffei | aha, sux looks good |
| 20:35.59 | abrotman | ntop shows network stats |
| 20:36.00 | Sonny | hi, I have 2 soundcards, a Intel (motherboard) and Creative Audigy 2, I configured the Audigy with "alsaconf" and it worked well, but when I reboot the Intel was configured as the default again, why?? |
| 20:36.02 | Nwallins | lol @ sux |
| 20:36.03 | jatos | hi evaarties |
| 20:36.09 | evaarties | who has ever installed OpenOffice 2.0.x on sarge? |
| 20:36.11 | abrotman | Sonny: maybe turn it off in the bios? |
| 20:36.18 | abrotman | evaarties: backports.org |
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| 20:36.28 | alienbrain_ | neat, this sux |
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| 20:36.49 | jatos | how big is the kde pacakge, and dependecies, I just need a rough idea |
| 20:36.54 | cahoot | Sonny: put 'options snd-emu10k1index=0' in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa |
| 20:36.58 | evaarties | abrotman: yes, I added that source, but the package openoffice.org asks for so many other stuff I don't know what to do. |
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| 20:37.09 | abrotman | evaarties: paste the error somewhere |
| 20:37.10 | abrotman | !paste |
| 20:37.10 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 20:37.21 | Sonny | abrotman: But it was working good before... I just installed a new debian and the problem appeared |
| 20:37.37 | abrotman | blacklist the modules? |
| 20:37.40 | caffei | ugh, sux has its own problems |
| 20:37.50 | Nwallins | sux, dude |
| 20:37.52 | fl0w | alienbrain_, but I found a .deb package in the unstable packagelist on the web, which should I pick? Does it matter? |
| 20:37.57 | k-man_ | how come mount -t smbfs hostname does a lookup for the hostname, but mount -t cifs doesn't seem to do the lookup? |
| 20:38.03 | junix-other | abrotman: i know |
| 20:38.17 | caffei | I'll just fix stuff so that I won't have to use 'su - user', I guess |
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| 20:39.02 | alienbrain_ | fl0w, if your system is on stable (and you want to keep it that way), then you should only get stable packages |
| 20:39.08 | Sonny | cahoot: are you sure the command is ok? |
| 20:39.22 | evaarties | abrotman: adding openoffice.org gives: needed 'openoffice.org-base' but won't be installed. But after checking that package, 'openoffice.org-base' complains about not being able to install j2re1.4 and java-runtime |
| 20:39.32 | cahoot | Sonny: it's not a command - it's an option |
| 20:39.51 | cahoot | Sonny: and yes I'm sure |
| 20:40.02 | Sonny | cahoot: let me see |
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| 20:40.33 | Sonny | cahoot: I dont have this file |
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| 20:40.54 | cahoot | Sonny: i e you don't use alsa? |
| 20:41.07 | N0S3 | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2007 ---> i have this problem , some can help me? |
| 20:41.09 | Sonny | cahoot: Yep I'm using alsa right now |
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| 20:42.09 | cahoot | Sonny: /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base - my bad |
| 20:42.10 | fl0w | quickie question, how do I write using vi? |
| 20:42.54 | cahoot | Sonny: might also put 'options snd-emu10k1index=1' to config the onboard |
| 20:42.56 | daymoon | floe: insert mode after 'i' key |
| 20:42.56 | Bucciarati | fl0w: ??!? |
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| 20:43.04 | Bucciarati | fl0w: vimtutor |
| 20:43.08 | cahoot | Sonny: might also put 'options snd-intel8x0index=1' to config the onboard |
| 20:43.25 | Sonny | cahoot: I dont have any of those files |
| 20:43.30 | daymoon | floe: im sorry |
| 20:44.07 | abrotman | evaarties: /msg dpkg install java |
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| 20:46.37 | Sonny | cahoot: I have the file "/etc/modprobe.d/sound" and inside this line: "options snd-emu10k1 index=0 |
| 20:46.37 | Sonny | " |
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| 20:47.24 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 20:47.24 | dpkg | hi, abrotman |
| 20:47.35 | abrotman | !tell beardy about blootbot |
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| 20:48.03 | jatos | !kstars |
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| 20:48.40 | N0S3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:48.41 | delmar | Does anyone know if the memory leak still exists with "Render Accel" and if it is still required to have Option "RenderAccel" "false" in the device section of Xorg.conf ? |
| 20:48.45 | N0S3 | :( |
| 20:48.45 | evaarties | abrotman: it appears there is no java package in sarge or backports |
| 20:48.55 | abrotman | evaarties: /msg dpkg install java |
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| 20:49.09 | Gnabbe | what is a good way to upgrade to testing? I changed to testing in sources.list and then did aptitude update and aptitude dist-upgrade. but now things are totally fucked up =/ |
| 20:49.29 | abrotman | Gnabbe: welcome to testing |
| 20:49.29 | devazion | Gnabbe: "I'm sick. Cure me!" |
| 20:49.36 | evaarties | abrotman: dpkg says I need a contrib source. nothing more.. do you have one? |
| 20:49.44 | hjubal | hi |
| 20:49.47 | abrotman | !tell evaarties about contrib |
| 20:49.58 | CoolCubix | Hi, do you know a mp3 player which could run in the background (in a virtual console), and which could occasionnally be controled by a frontend when needed ? |
| 20:50.10 | Gnabbe | i didn't ask for a cure for my problem, just if there is a recommended way to upgrade to testing. if it's known to not work i don't want it anyway |
| 20:50.23 | abrotman | you did it |
| 20:50.29 | abrotman | !tell Gnabbe about sarge->etch |
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| 20:51.22 | Gnabbe | well thanks then |
| 20:51.36 | abrotman | Gnabbe: try the dist-upgrade again |
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| 20:51.48 | abrotman | Gnabbe: and define "fucked up" |
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| 20:52.03 | unstable | someone type apt-get install gtetrinet; and connect to tetrinet.debian.net, and I need help this guy playing is too good at tetris |
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| 20:52.35 | abrotman | unstable: come on .. stop it with the tetris stuff |
| 20:53.05 | pitbull_ | tetris ruined my life ;( |
| 20:53.16 | Gnabbe | abrotman: what i mean is that there are lots of unmet dependencies, a long list of packages that don't even want to upgrade |
| 20:54.02 | abrotman | !paste |
| 20:54.02 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 20:54.10 | Gnabbe | abrotman: and i've tried dist-upgrade a couple of more times |
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| 20:54.29 | USMarine | any1? |
| 20:54.31 | abrotman | Gnabbe: paste your sources .. and the error |
| 20:54.33 | abrotman | !any1 |
| 20:54.33 | dpkg | *** any1: No such nick/channel |
| 20:54.54 | USMarine | how can i increase Xorg niceness? |
| 20:54.59 | USMarine | its currently at 0 |
| 20:55.23 | junix-other | is there something wrong with nvidia-kernel in unstable for 2.4.27? |
| 20:55.25 | abrotman | afaik zero is the highest priority |
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| 20:56.02 | Gnabbe | abrotman: can't even go in to x right now. it crashes the computer so i can't see the error log |
| 20:56.16 | abrotman | so paste the log too |
| 20:56.24 | abrotman | things work at the console too |
| 20:56.36 | abrotman | !drxx Gnabbe |
| 20:56.36 | dpkg | Gnabbe: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 20:57.22 | Bucciarati | devazion: :) |
| 20:57.52 | chealer | junix-other: the guide will tell you |
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| 20:58.02 | junix-other | chealer: what guide? |
| 20:58.11 | chealer | !tell junix-other about ngd |
| 20:58.24 | chealer | junix-other: alternatively, check the BTS |
| 20:58.33 | junix-other | eh |
| 20:58.36 | junix-other | no time |
| 20:58.52 | chealer | junix-other: we're unfortunately in the same situation |
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| 20:59.42 | Gnabbe | abrotman: i don't have gdm installed either so i can't cut n' paste in console. only problems here :) |
| 20:59.44 | intero | is there a way to stop (an restore) another user's process, if i am r00t? |
| 20:59.52 | abrotman | Gnabbe: gpm ? |
| 20:59.56 | abrotman | gmp? |
| 20:59.58 | abrotman | whatever ti is |
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| 21:00.04 | Gnabbe | gpm i mean |
| 21:00.12 | abrotman | Gnabbe: you have no webspace anywhere? |
| 21:00.31 | Gnabbe | yes, why? |
| 21:00.46 | abrotman | Gnabbe: http://pastebin.ca/upload.php .. you can upload a file you create |
| 21:00.48 | Frem | If I have aspell, apsell-bin, and aspell-en installed, why don't I have spellcheck in AbiWord? |
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| 21:02.01 | Bucciarati | devazion: ow crap |
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| 21:02.09 | junix-other | chealer: what do you make of this: http://pastebin.com/589628 |
| 21:02.11 | devazion | Bucciarati: whisp me :) |
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| 21:02.59 | chealer | junix-other: I make that your system seems to fail to modprobe the nvidia kernel module |
| 21:03.06 | junix-other | ah |
| 21:03.08 | sgeigerbot | chealer, chealer, chealer! |
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| 21:03.13 | junix-other | any reccommendations? |
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| 21:03.32 | chealer | junix-other: try # modprobe nvidia; |
| 21:03.35 | junix-other | k |
| 21:04.03 | junix-other | chealer: MEGATRON:/home/andrew# modprobe nvidia |
| 21:04.03 | junix-other | Note: /etc/modules.conf is more recent than /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-686/modules.dep |
| 21:04.13 | chealer | sgeigerbot: how do I deserve such attention? |
| 21:04.54 | N0S3 | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2007 ---> unknown problem |
| 21:05.00 | chealer | junix-other: so you should check that nvidia suceeded to be loaded |
| 21:05.30 | junix-other | chealer: it loaded, its in lsmod |
| 21:05.44 | chealer | junix-other: so, you could try starting X again now |
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| 21:07.01 | junix-other | chealer: XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" |
| 21:07.01 | junix-other | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:07.30 | USMarine | startx with root? |
| 21:07.32 | chealer | junix-other: I don't know |
| 21:07.45 | junix-other | USMarine: ??? |
| 21:08.01 | USMarine | are you doing startx as a normal user? |
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| 21:09.03 | alumno | hola |
| 21:09.18 | N0S3 | alumno: hola |
| 21:09.19 | junix-other | USMarine: no |
| 21:09.23 | alumno | alguien sabe |
| 21:09.43 | alumno | como conseguir la rute en español |
| 21:10.00 | USMarine | junix-other, try it |
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| 21:10.09 | junix-other | USMarine: just did, same error |
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| 21:10.35 | alumno | mejor dicho la LINUX: Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition |
| 21:10.40 | alumno | pero en español |
| 21:10.51 | Supaplex | NaN! |
| 21:10.56 | N0S3 | alumno: amigo, te recomiendo que vallas a #debian-es |
| 21:10.57 | alumno | de Paul Sheer |
| 21:11.05 | N0S3 | alumno: aca generalmente hablan ingles |
| 21:11.16 | N0S3 | ;) |
| 21:11.16 | alumno | join #debian-es |
| 21:11.18 | Supaplex | !es |
| 21:11.18 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 21:11.49 | alumno | alguien sabe donde consigo el libro de paul sheer |
| 21:12.03 | chealer | alumno: /join #debian-es |
| 21:12.09 | alumno | pero en español |
| 21:12.20 | alumno | LINUX: Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition alguien conoce este libro |
| 21:12.27 | dondelelcaro | alumno: please join #debian-es, or I will ban forwad you there. |
| 21:12.31 | N0S3 | haz esto /join #debian-es |
| 21:12.34 | junix-other | USMarine: fixed!! |
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| 21:13.14 | homekneet | Hmm - sarge box - runs fine - boots fine - except for the following message from lvm2 (which I also get when adding logical volumes): "Incorrect metadata area header checksum". Googling suggests that the volume group descriptor is toasted - but - I still get my drives and can mount them. How to _safely_ fix the issue? |
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| 21:14.20 | USMarine | junix-other, congratz |
| 21:14.39 | deadcat | wtf. yahoo is orphaned? |
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| 21:15.04 | kspath_ | USMarine: congratz is really supposed to be congratulations |
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| 21:15.14 | coolpix | gn8 |
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| 21:15.55 | carramba | hello, how can I reopen a bug in BTS? |
| 21:16.10 | astronut | carramba: reopen XXXXXX |
| 21:16.13 | USMarine | -_-' |
| 21:16.17 | astronut | send that to control@bugs.debian.org |
| 21:16.37 | carramba | astronut: can I do this or this is reserved for developers? |
| 21:16.40 | touch | is there a portage tree in debian? how do I update it? |
| 21:16.42 | astronut | anyone can |
| 21:16.51 | carramba | astronut: thx |
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| 21:17.15 | Nigromante | Hello, does anyone know if there is another driver for conexant hsf (win)modems apart from that from Linuxant' |
| 21:17.34 | Nigromante | cause Linuxant's is not free |
| 21:17.35 | kspath_ | touch: this is not gentoo In fact, do you know of anything else that uses portage besides gentoo? |
| 21:17.42 | chealer | touch: what do you mean by "portage tree"? |
| 21:17.53 | kspath_ | touch: apt-get update; apt-get upgrade |
| 21:18.01 | touch | I mean all the info about the packages |
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| 21:18.08 | touch | yes this is it thank you |
| 21:18.22 | crashbg | can some give me a little hint about the ports that tftpd uses to serve the boot files over the network |
| 21:18.39 | crashbg | i've ublocked port tcp and udp 69 |
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| 21:18.43 | Supaplex | crashbg: grep tftp /etc/services |
| 21:18.47 | crashbg | but the client can't connect |
| 21:18.50 | Supaplex | crashbg: or man netstat |
| 21:18.52 | kspath_ | touch: apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-get install debtags; debtags update; apt-file search keyword |
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| 21:19.47 | RolandU | hi all! Did anyone of you ever try a usb-bluetooth-device that worked without any problems and any additional installation in sarge? |
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| 21:20.25 | touch | kspath_, thank you, you aswered to many of my questions |
| 21:20.29 | sopirlaa | Hello, i need bitorent for debian |
| 21:20.37 | crashbg | i said i've already unblocked this port :( is there another port i should unblock? |
| 21:20.41 | sopirlaa | bitorrent ?? |
| 21:20.42 | crashbg | i use atftpd |
| 21:20.45 | kspath_ | touch: there is extensive info information available via apt-cache search keyword ;and; apt-file search keyword ;and; debtags cat | egrep "keyword" |
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| 21:22.19 | touch | kspath_, ok |
| 21:22.25 | junix-other | how do i unload a module? |
| 21:22.28 | touch | I'll keep that in mind |
| 21:22.33 | Supaplex | modprobe -r |
| 21:22.36 | crashbg | junix-other: rmmod module |
| 21:23.17 | satans_nu | whats the deal with apache2 doc dir? i added a ln -fs /blabla/ doc in DocumentRoot but it obviously blocking it |
| 21:23.49 | Eclipser | any of these todo list managers especially good? |
| 21:23.50 | Supaplex | maybe it don't allow symlinks |
| 21:23.50 | sgeigerbot | satans_nu: There's an alias for /doc |
| 21:23.57 | touch | kspath_, I use $http_proxy variable to define my proxy server but when I try to update or install something with apt-get it says it cannot resolve the debian mirror |
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| 21:24.42 | touch | kspath_, in gentoo it works fine with emerge,links2 ... |
| 21:24.47 | sgeigerbot | satans_nu: Alias or something like that. It's not a regular directory. Don't try to use it like one.... |
| 21:24.54 | kspath_ | touch: I helped with what I could, sorry I can not be of more help at this time. Leave a message at the beep. |
| 21:25.07 | touch | kspath_, thanks anyway |
| 21:25.10 | satans_nu | okay. but i will, i have to |
| 21:25.37 | kspath_ | touch: It will not help to mention gentoo in any other channel but gentoo |
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| 21:25.54 | eeyore- | touch: actually you could mention gentoo to me :-) |
| 21:26.00 | kspath_ | touch: In fact you will be better off not mentioning it working on any other distro or OS. |
| 21:26.12 | touch | kspath_, why? |
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| 21:26.23 | Unetixs | this is not a gentoo room |
| 21:26.27 | Unetixs | go back to #gentoo |
| 21:26.32 | kspath_ | channel |
| 21:26.43 | Unetixs | or forum |
| 21:26.45 | eeyore- | touch: the thing is, dude, you have to remember that what works with emerge isn't *required* to work with other packaging tool |
| 21:26.48 | touch | Unetixs, all my question wore related to debian |
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| 21:26.54 | eeyore- | touch: is that concept difficult to grasp? seriously |
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| 21:27.26 | touch | eeyore-, I'm installing right now debian using gentoo on a different partition |
| 21:27.27 | jade | what file share util can i use?P |
| 21:27.32 | ^majik^ | is there a frontpage extensions .deb package for debian ? |
| 21:27.40 | eeyore- | touch: save it :-) i run debian/suse/gentoo ... |
| 21:27.40 | touch | how could I not mention it |
| 21:27.42 | kspath_ | touch: I do not expect anything that works in solaris or fbsd or obsd or nbsd or other linux distros or AIX or HP/UX or anything else to work in debian |
| 21:27.43 | Supaplex | rw-rw-r--: so what exactly are you, a directory, file, fifo, device, etc? |
| 21:27.52 | rw-rw-r-- | Anyone know if there's a program out there that can 'reparent' a process to itself? (Kind of like screen, except if you forget to run screen before running long_command) |
| 21:27.57 | rw-rw-r-- | Supaplex: Depends on my mood.;) |
| 21:28.11 | rw-rw-r-- | Based on my diet, though, I'd suggest a block device. :D |
| 21:28.15 | eeyore- | rw-rw-r--: no |
| 21:28.25 | Seb | sup y'all |
| 21:28.26 | rw-rw-r-- | eeyore-: Wishful thinking, huh? |
| 21:28.29 | touch | kspath_, I was just a question, I don't have to know every issue in debian |
| 21:28.32 | eeyore- | rw-rw-r--: yeah :-) |
| 21:28.34 | touch | jeez! |
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| 21:28.36 | rw-rw-r-- | sonuva |
| 21:28.36 | Seb | is it only me, or is the msn messenger server down ? |
| 21:28.44 | Seb | i can't seem to connect, no matter that client |
| 21:28.46 | rw-rw-r-- | Seb: It's misbehaving for sure. |
| 21:28.51 | Seb | rw-rw-r--: ah |
| 21:28.53 | kspath_ | touch: Ask ONLY how do I do xyz and if anyone knows how to do xyz they will help. If no answers just wait some time and ask again and make sure your wording is right and makes sense (clear). |
| 21:28.59 | Seb | s/that/what/ |
| 21:29.14 | tiCo89 | Seb: it works here |
| 21:29.15 | touch | kspath_, which I did... |
| 21:29.15 | Supaplex | Seb: MSFT is bankrupt. NOT :-X |
| 21:29.22 | Seb | Supaplex: ;) |
| 21:29.29 | rw-rw-r-- | Alright, thanks. |
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| 21:29.34 | Seb | tiCo89: really ? What client ? What part of the world are you in ? |
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| 21:30.03 | tiCo89 | Seb: Bitlbee... switzerland, europe |
| 21:30.19 | Seb | tiCo89: interesting. And you're positive you can reach contacts and all ? |
| 21:30.19 | amee2k | how can i tell startx on the command line which window manager to start (e.g. fluxbox, icewm, gnome, ...) ? |
| 21:30.22 | touch | kspath_, I'm sorry for disturbing your iner peace... |
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| 21:30.28 | kspath_ | touch: I am not trying to be mean. Only explaining why you do not want to mention other OS/environment when asking about something in debian. |
| 21:30.30 | tiCo89 | Seb: yes... |
| 21:30.38 | Seb | tiCo89: anyway i ugess you guys must use a different server over there, maybe it's just the US one who is fucked up |
| 21:30.51 | buffoon | touch: maybe you should try to add proxy-ip@server-address in your /etc/apt/sources.list. For example: "http://192.168.0.1@ftp.debian.org" |
| 21:30.52 | kspath_ | touch: actually I was only explaining to help you. I could care less otherwise. good luck to you. |
| 21:30.52 | Seb | amee2k: edit .xsession |
| 21:30.55 | eeyore- | kspath_: he can mention it, just apply some logic first before asking :-> |
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| 21:31.17 | Seb | amee2k: if not, start -- ..., and man X or man xinit to figure out how to feed the args to startx |
| 21:31.22 | Frem | Seb, I thought that was for XDM, not cli? |
| 21:31.28 | Seb | Frem: it sure is |
| 21:31.33 | buffoon | i think the syntax was like that. just google a bit for it. i think that should work |
| 21:31.34 | touch | buffoon, thank you I'll try that |
| 21:31.44 | kspath_ | eeyore-: yeah, I guess I assume that was obvious. Did I not make that clear? Perhaps I should re-read what I am typing before I send. |
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| 21:32.32 | seb- | how come i can play CDs but not MP3s? |
| 21:32.35 | seb- | on xmms? |
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| 21:32.55 | tr1gg3r | amee2k: u could edit ~/.xinitrc if u use startx |
| 21:32.55 | kspath_ | encoding/license/patent BS? |
| 21:33.01 | sebo | Hi! |
| 21:33.15 | kspath_ | seb-:encoding/license/patent BS? |
| 21:33.18 | seb- | kspath_: was working before... |
| 21:33.33 | seb- | kspath_: i can't find a xmms-mp3 package |
| 21:33.34 | kspath_ | seb-: hmmm, before what? |
| 21:33.43 | prodope | any reason why 'make install' isn't installing my custom kernel? it seems to be running as though i just typed 'make' instead of installing/running lilo |
| 21:33.44 | seb- | kspath_: i upgraded kernel |
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| 21:33.54 | touch | kspath_, if I didn't understood that you reffered about "asking other than debian distros on #debian" I would've thought that you have something against non debian distros |
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| 21:34.06 | touch | do you have distrofobia? |
| 21:34.08 | touch | :)) |
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| 21:34.40 | Shadowcat | we have a problem when people expect us to support anything that uses the .deb package format |
| 21:34.41 | tr1gg3r | prodope:make install will build ur kernel before installing (if not already done i think) |
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| 21:35.07 | kspath_ | touch: I do not HATE any particular OS/distro but mentioning other distros in another distros channel can/is annoying and often is the stuff trolls dabble in. There are some distros I STRONGLY prefer NOT to use however. |
| 21:35.15 | prodope | tr1gg3r: i have already built it with 'make' |
| 21:36.13 | sebo | I've got a problem: My MB has broken and I'd to replace it to another (but execly the same model) and now xserver doesn't start on my system :( |
| 21:36.13 | Seb | prodope: why not use make-kpkg ? Or even better, a Debian pre-built kernel image ? |
| 21:36.18 | kspath_ | touch: I have many phobia but I do not fear a distro since it is only a preference or perhaps a dislike for some reason that is mostly subjective. |
| 21:36.28 | touch | Shadowcat, I must dispute your opinion because if I want to install something on debian from source and it does not install and it's not a compilation problem then I think it is normal to ask here |
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| 21:36.36 | Kyral | Seb: Because some people are meglomaniacs :P |
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| 21:36.46 | Seb | heh |
| 21:36.53 | prodope | Seb: i prefer to do it the old-fashioned way... have been doing so for years on this system... this JUST started happening |
| 21:37.00 | Kyral | I went through that phase (known as Gentoo) |
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| 21:37.07 | sebo | Have you got any idea how to fix it ;> |
| 21:37.09 | Seb | sebo: then it's prolly not the same video card |
| 21:37.18 | prodope | Seb: when i tried to compile 2.6.15.5 .... x.4 worked fine |
| 21:37.32 | Seb | prodope: cause you've been using something inferior for years isn't quite a good enough reason to keep doing it :> |
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| 21:37.45 | seb- | How can Ubuntu release packages faster than Debian when it is BASED on debian? |
| 21:37.46 | prodope | Seb: i said i prefer it |
| 21:37.59 | prodope | Seb: that's good enough for me |
| 21:37.59 | sebo | it is - the video card is integrated to MB and it is the same model :] |
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| 21:38.07 | kspath_ | touch: perhaps ok to ask about an issue related to attempted use of source but in those cases you are unlikely to get that much help ever since everything is geared to binary and source PACKAGEs that are debian. |
| 21:38.09 | dondelelcaro | seb-: because they release fewer packages than we do |
| 21:38.46 | Seb | prodope: sure. Meanwhile I'll stick to supporting only the Debian way of building kernels, in here. That's good enough for me. |
| 21:38.52 | seb- | dondelelcaro: Ubuntu is a slimmed down Debian? Hmm. what do people think about it in here? |
| 21:38.55 | figfig | I asked here yesterday about the proper way to set up iptables here, and was pointed to ipmasq. After looking at ipmasq, it seems to be much more complicated than my true and trusted iptables script. So my question is, am I missing something? Is ipmasq much better? And, if I do decide to use my old script, how do I tell Debian to run it upon boot up? |
| 21:38.57 | touch | kspath_, agree but there is a lot of software in the wild that does not have a .deb package |
| 21:39.03 | Seb | seb-: take a wild guess ? |
| 21:39.05 | kspath_ | touch: It is not a matter of people being not nice but a matter of engeries and resources toward certain goals. |
| 21:39.10 | prodope | Seb: anyways, my question wasn't related to which was is better to prepare a custom kernel... it was regarding why make would do such a thing when running 'make install' |
| 21:39.33 | dondelelcaro | seb-: our opinion about Ubuntu is really OT here... |
| 21:39.33 | seb- | figfig: i don't use ipmasq..what are you trying to do? |
| 21:39.48 | kspath_ | touch: That is the reason for people to become maintainers and developers and create .deb of those things that are stable/functional and see if they can fit |
| 21:39.48 | seb- | dondelelcaro: OT? |
| 21:39.49 | Seb | prodope: this is a very good question indeed. My point was, I wouldn't have any idea since I use something higher-level to deal with my kernels. |
| 21:39.57 | dondelelcaro | seb-: off topic. |
| 21:40.02 | nonix4 | seb-: just have a look at the /topic and cat /dev/urandom for more :-) |
| 21:40.30 | seb- | nonix4: :) |
| 21:40.51 | sebo | I haven't changed any hardware i just replaced it with same but not broken ;) ...and what sould I done to make it works :> |
| 21:41.02 | touch | kspath_, totaly agree with you, but there is allways source before .rpm or .deb ... |
| 21:41.07 | sepski | seb-, i think ubuntu serves as a great promotor for both linux and debian. it contains what the most /mainstream/ users and serves as a training ground for future debian users. reliving debian from the preasure of beeing wildly successfull on the desktop and letting debian focus on beeing the very best and versatile distro ever |
| 21:41.10 | yggdrasil | i added this line to my fstab /dev/hda5 /video0 ext3 defaults,uid=yggdrasil,gid=yggdrasil 0 0 |
| 21:41.10 | yggdrasil | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:41.20 | sepski | imho |
| 21:41.20 | figfig | seb: pretty simple. I have an iptables script I have used on other distributions in the past, and wanted to convert my firewall to debian. I understand in a bare way how iptables is used, and I have become familiar with debian. I would just like to know the proper way to run an iptables script in Debian, or if there is a better way to do stuff, I could learn that, if it is really an improvement. |
| 21:41.30 | kspath_ | touch: If someone is experimenting with something they are almost by definition on their own. Not that people would not help but what are the chances that someone that is already quite busy and knows debian well just happens to know enough about that same code to help. |
| 21:41.34 | touch | so even in process of making that .deb erors happen |
| 21:41.40 | seb- | sepski: thanks. that helps |
| 21:41.45 | Seb | figfig: the right way is to stick your script in /etc/network/if-up.d |
| 21:42.15 | Seb | figfig: possibly /etc/network/if-pre-up.d |
| 21:42.28 | Seb | that way you're safe the instant you got a link |
| 21:42.38 | seb- | figfig: first of all ...there should be nothing distro specific in your iptables script..you just setup to run at bootup |
| 21:42.45 | tr1gg3r | figfig: copy it to /etc/init.d and add it runleveles using update-rc.d foobar defaults |
| 21:42.57 | Seb | tr1gg3r: please |
| 21:43.05 | sebo | Any ideas ?? I gues that running dpkg-reconfigure for some packages should help me - but I don't know which for :( |
| 21:43.06 | tr1gg3r | ? |
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| 21:43.14 | Seb | tr1gg3r: that ain't the right way at all |
| 21:43.26 | Seb | sebo: reconfigure your X server, should do |
| 21:43.41 | figfig | seb: does that script get run for any ifup/ifdown? I have multiple ethernet connections, and therefore might run ifup eth0, ifupeth1, etc. |
| 21:44.00 | Seb | figfig: those scripts are passed environment, which you cna test |
| 21:44.01 | tr1gg3r | Seb: thats how shorewall is started iirc |
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| 21:44.07 | sebo | so dpkg-reconfigure xserver-XFree86 ?? |
| 21:44.12 | figfig | trlgg3r: what is the advantage to putting it in /etc/init.d/ instead of if-up.d? |
| 21:44.41 | figfig | seb: sorry, I don't understand how environement helps? |
| 21:44.43 | Seb | figfig: just run a quick test to find out what interface was just up'ed, and decide accordingly if you want to start your i(ptables rules or not |
| 21:44.46 | seb- | figfig: /etc/init.d is the standard place to put start/stop scripts |
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| 21:44.50 | Seb | figfig: man interfaces for more |
| 21:45.01 | Seb | seb-: not for things that depend sinply on one interface being up or down |
| 21:45.03 | Seb | sheesh |
| 21:45.04 | Seb | people |
| 21:45.22 | figfig | seb: I use /etc/init.d/ all the time, I've never used if-up.d though. |
| 21:45.34 | yggdrasil | /dev/hda5 /video0 ext3 defaults,uid=yggdrasil,gid=yggdrasil 0 0 is that right ? |
| 21:45.40 | laurens_ | err |
| 21:45.42 | tr1gg3r | figfig: /etc/init.d will start it when ur machine boots regardless of the status of network connect, if-up.d will start it when u start ur interface (i think, i dont use this) |
| 21:45.45 | seb- | figfig: me neither.. |
| 21:45.47 | laurens_ | shouldn't uid and gid be numbers? |
| 21:45.50 | eeyore- | this Seb vs. seb- is confusing me |
| 21:45.51 | Seb | figfig: be my guest, and use what you like. But i'm not sure why you asked in here in the first place then. |
| 21:45.55 | sebo | it still doesnt works :P |
| 21:45.57 | Seb | eeyore-: tell me about it |
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| 21:46.07 | laurens_ | I'm just dropping in the middle of a conversation here yggdrasil, but uid and gid are numbers |
| 21:46.12 | kspath_ | touch: perhaps to make it even more interesting... What are the chances that someone that knows .deb and debian stuff in general well will also know lets say Redhat .rpm and systems AND know some source at the same time as you are interested and asking in channel and they are in channel and not uber busy? |
| 21:46.12 | eeyore- | and now there's sebo? what the ... |
| 21:46.14 | seb- | figfig: ip-up.d sounds more robust |
| 21:46.26 | laurens_ | cat /etc/group and cat /etc/passwd for more information |
| 21:46.29 | yggdrasil | strange cuz i had a problem moutning ntfs .. and i did that and i tworked .. should be 1000 for both ? |
| 21:46.30 | figfig | seb: I am not trying to complain about your answer, just understand the difference between the two alternatives. |
| 21:46.37 | Seb | the only real way to make sure your box is never in a state of "interface up, but firewall down", to the millisecond, is to use if-pre-up.d |
| 21:46.43 | figfig | seb: why is it more robust? |
| 21:46.44 | sebo | How can i list all packages related to xserver ;> |
| 21:46.45 | seb- | figfig: tr1gg3r just told you |
| 21:46.48 | Seb | figfig: just told ya |
| 21:47.03 | Seb | seb-: apt-cache show-pkg xserver |
| 21:47.03 | kspath_ | touch: I know that is a lot but just trying to explain how difficult it can be at times. |
| 21:47.08 | Seb | hrm |
| 21:47.14 | yggdrasil | laurens_ mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda5, |
| 21:47.17 | seb- | Seb: now there is a sebo! |
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| 21:47.20 | Seb | sebo: apt-cache show-pkg xserver-xfree86 (or xorg if you use that) |
| 21:47.25 | eeyore- | Seb: does it *truly* matter to have 'interface up but firewall down'? because when the firewall comes on, you don't get to keep the existing connection anyway (well, if you set it up that way ;-) |
| 21:47.38 | laurens_ | yggdrasil: with uid and gid numbers or yggdrassil |
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| 21:47.51 | Seb | eeyore-: huh ? My i(tables rules don't interfere with existing connections whatsoever |
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| 21:47.52 | yggdrasil | with 1000 in both |
| 21:48.01 | eeyore- | Seb: you should |
| 21:48.02 | touch | kspath_, ok :) I have another que for you (debain related) |
| 21:48.03 | figfig | seb: from his description I would think /etc/init.d would be preferable.... I have global firewall rules that should always be up, regardless of what interface is up or down. |
| 21:48.09 | Seb | eeyore-: and the mere though of being online even a few seconds without uptables up sends chills down my spine ;) |
| 21:48.13 | loggygreg | yggdrasil: yes |
| 21:48.18 | kspath_ | touch: I am quite ignorant but I can try. |
| 21:48.22 | seb- | figfig: that what i use |
| 21:48.24 | yggdrasil | yes it says that with 1000 as both |
| 21:48.26 | Seb | eeyore-: well, I'm sorta cheating, my firewall is openbsd, i don't use iptables no more :> |
| 21:48.34 | yggdrasil | but with none it mounted it |
| 21:48.34 | seb- | Seb: take a valium |
| 21:48.48 | eeyore- | Seb: well then, how about ifconfig'ing it to set IP, then ifconfig down, then firewall up, then ifconfig up? |
| 21:49.00 | yggdrasil | oh well its fine |
| 21:49.04 | seb- | Seb: can you turn on iptables before networking? then you'd be all set |
| 21:49.07 | Seb | figfig: k, then run it in init.d, as defaults like tr1gg3r told ya, and you will have the fw start *way* after your interface comes up |
| 21:49.14 | Seb | but honestly, i'm tired of defending the right way here |
| 21:49.16 | loggygreg | yggdrasil: 1000 for both |
| 21:49.21 | Seb | it doesn't matter to me, you can use whatever you want |
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| 21:49.39 | Seb | seb-: you're kidding me right ? How many times have i mentioned ip-pre-up.d ? |
| 21:49.47 | yggdrasil | loggygreg jsut rw |
| 21:49.48 | eeyore- | Seb: the "right" way huh? :-) |
| 21:49.51 | figfig | seb: I see, so the init scripts come up after the interface is started. |
| 21:49.52 | touch | kspath_, I used debootstrap to install sarge on a partition but when I try to simulate a gnome installation it shows me old packages Inst gnome-terminal (2.8.2-2 ftp.debian.org) |
| 21:50.02 | yggdrasil | i think its because that directory was set up as a root |
| 21:50.15 | touch | kspath_, how can I get more newer packages? |
| 21:50.18 | Seb | figfig: it could come whenever. But for that you have to figure out what number the net comes up with, and use +1 for your firewall, etc... |
| 21:50.30 | PerfDave | The interfaces come up *from* an initscript |
| 21:50.31 | sebo | and another question - how to scroll in ircii?? ;P |
| 21:50.32 | seb- | PerfDave: Seb vs. seb- vs. sebo show :) |
| 21:50.34 | Seb | PerfDave: thou shalt not fear :) |
| 21:50.43 | Seb | sebo: pageup |
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| 21:50.52 | loggygreg | yggdrasil: rw yes |
| 21:50.55 | Seb | PerfDave: of course |
| 21:51.02 | touch | kspath_, gnome-terminal is an example of an old package |
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| 21:51.16 | kspath_ | touch: I do not use gnome or kde or xfce on purpose but if you must there is etch/testing but it is NOT stable it can break at any time though it is usually more stable than sid/unstable. |
| 21:51.16 | eeyore- | Seb: one fine point that i don't know if it's discussed clearly ... pre-up ... is this right after ifconfig? |
| 21:51.18 | seb- | Seb: yes, +1 for firewall. that is almost as good as ip-pre-up.d right? |
| 21:51.35 | kspath_ | touch: I do not use gnome-terminal or konsole to the terminal for xfce |
| 21:51.52 | Seb | seb-: what exactl is your point with this half-assed statement ? |
| 21:52.01 | sebo | I thought it hould be 'pageup' but it just don't works :( |
| 21:52.02 | Seb | eeyore-: i believe just before |
| 21:52.03 | eeyore- | Seb: because if it's after ifconfig, then your interface is already up and listening anyway, and it takes time to execute the script ... |
| 21:52.04 | drusscol | what might cause a wireless card not to work? I was able to get an IP address via dhcp, but only the first time I tried after either rebooting or rmmod/modprobing my wireless card. The nameservers and routes looked correct, but I couldn't contact the nameservers or anything else. |
| 21:52.04 | figfig | seb: does debian start the network itself as an /etc/init.d/ script? Wait I will check. |
| 21:52.09 | kspath_ | touch: I try to stick with rxvt aterm wterm mrxvt rxvt-unicode or if I have to xterm |
| 21:52.14 | Seb | figfig: it does |
| 21:52.31 | Seb | drusscol: signal too low ? |
| 21:52.35 | eeyore- | Seb: but if it's *before* ifconfig, then there's no IP for that interface, and you can't run anything that expects an IP :-) |
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| 21:52.40 | drusscol | Seb: no, signal was perfect |
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| 21:52.42 | touch | kspath_, ok so you use enlightenment or fluxbox this is not important, my question was: how do I get knewer packages, or list of new packages |
| 21:52.56 | figfig | seb: Ok, that is cool. I didn't realize it. Makes things easier to understand. |
| 21:52.59 | Seb | eeyore-: i guess you're gonna succeed in getting me to re-read man interfaces :) |
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| 21:53.13 | eeyore- | Seb: so seriously, the "debian way" still leaves room for that small period of time |
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| 21:53.21 | kspath_ | touch: You did not read the whole lines , if you must there is etch/testing but it is NOT stable it can break at any time though it is usually more stable than sid/unstable. |
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| 21:53.26 | Supaplex | it's so fun when you have 4046 interfaces on one machine. :-x |
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| 21:53.31 | eeyore- | Seb: i am reading "man interfaces" but it doesn't go into that fine point |
| 21:53.43 | touch | kspath_, sorry missed that |
| 21:53.46 | Seb | eeyore-: well it does, I think: Run command before bringing the interface up. |
| 21:53.48 | kspath_ | touch: sarge/stable is stable and works QUITE well. |
| 21:53.52 | EmeraldCat | Hello again, I wanted to clarify one thing from yesterday's conversation -- It's not the hardware vendors' fault that Linux doesn't have A+ hardware support; the hws have no motivation to produce drivers for Linux, because Linux doesn't occupy a large enough market share. |
| 21:53.55 | madclicker | how can one enable "Extendedstatus on" in sarge? |
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| 21:54.00 | kspath_ | touch: new and shiney is not sarge |
| 21:54.08 | touch | kspath_, yes your bot told me the difference |
| 21:54.12 | figfig | seb: so it sounds like I could just use if-up.d and only respond to start, not stop. That way I get the firewall rules up at the correct time, and do not have to worry about someone doing an ifdown and shutting off the firewall rules. |
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| 21:54.38 | PerfDave | EmeraldCat: That doesn't mean that it's not their fault, since they're in a very good position to do something about it by releasing hardware specs. |
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| 21:54.39 | Seb | figfig: hrm, if-up.d does respond to start only. if-down would do that for interfaces going down. |
| 21:54.42 | UK_PC_Convert | Hi guys, can anyone help? I am trying to install asterisk using apt-get and I keep getting errors saying it can't find /etc/asterisk, I think its because of a balls up install, is there anyway I can flush the apt cache or whatever holds the history so it thinks its never been there |
| 21:54.48 | kspath_ | touch: I do not have a bot. Are you refering to dpkg? did someone !tell dpkg to tell you something? |
| 21:54.50 | loggygreg | madclicker: what is Extendedstatus ? |
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| 21:55.14 | touch | kspath_, what about the kernel? I suppose I should install 2.6.15 mannualy then |
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| 21:55.19 | touch | kspath_, yes |
| 21:55.21 | figfig | seb: if-down runs start also? |
| 21:55.34 | Seb | figfig: do oyu want to read man interfaces ? |
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| 21:55.44 | EmeraldCat | PerfDave: why would they release their hardware specs? That would give an advantage to the competition. |
| 21:55.50 | Seb | figfig: if-up.d are executed for interfaces coming up. if-down.d for interfaces gong down. Simple enough, really. |
| 21:55.50 | kspath_ | touch: there are kernels that are all set but if you want to custom build one I will not be of any help. sorry. |
| 21:55.57 | sphenxes | I have tried to install Debian 64amd on Intel 64ET processor. The install failed becuase a problem with the installer, checking the DVD. I found that the DVD is corrupt but still have a simple question can I install 64amd version on Intel or it won't work? |
| 21:55.59 | PerfDave | EmeraldCat: Why would it do so? |
| 21:56.12 | figfig | seb: got it, that helps. Thanks. |
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| 21:56.23 | touch | kspath_, every distro makes some patches of there own to the kernel... |
| 21:56.32 | PerfDave | sphenxes: The Intel em64t processor is part of the amd64 family along with the Opteron and Athlon 64. |
| 21:56.37 | touch | kspath_, this is what I meant |
| 21:56.38 | eeyore- | Seb: what about dhcp? :-) does debian's DHCP also honor debian's way of pre-up and pre-down? |
| 21:56.40 | PerfDave | sphenxes: (AFAIK anyawy, ask #debian-amd64) |
| 21:56.49 | EmeraldCat | PerfDave: because the competition would then know how the hardware works. |
| 21:56.51 | eeyore- | Seb: those were questions i had when i ran debian on the firewall |
| 21:57.03 | Seb | eeyore-: sure |
| 21:57.04 | kspath_ | touch: there are prebuilt ones and source there is info available I try not to mess with that too much |
| 21:57.10 | PerfDave | EmeraldCat: *shrug* ONOES! |
| 21:57.13 | Seb | eeyore-: no matter if you int. is dhcp or static, if-up.d will be honored |
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| 21:57.24 | touch | kspath_, thank you |
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| 21:57.43 | eeyore- | Seb: cool. anyhow, our "firewall" is now a linksys box :-p we went for vonage voip thing and it came with the linksys... |
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| 21:57.53 | Seb | eeyore-: oy |
| 21:57.55 | eeyore- | quiet ... |
| 21:58.02 | quiet | ??? |
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| 21:58.03 | seb- | help! i can play CDs but not MP3s...i get Debian errors about sound card |
| 21:58.09 | Seb | eeyore-: i had the toughest time findin an adls *bridge* modem when mine got fried last motnh |
| 21:58.11 | kspath_ | touch: Sorry, I am very much of a generalist and not into deep majik of any particular distro or OS yet. I am teaching myself several in parallel. |
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| 21:58.15 | quiet | eeyore-, yes? |
| 21:58.19 | eeyore- | and about time too. when the linksys came, our firewall decided to die (HD spinning forever tends to do that) |
| 21:58.26 | fc466 | hi all, to minimize all windows on Debian, what should I do ? |
| 21:58.29 | Seb | all they sell is router-firewall integrated ones. I don't want that :) |
| 21:58.31 | EmeraldCat | PerfDave: The point is that it is very easy to shuffle blame for Linux' problem onto someone else, when it in fact is _not_ their fault. (ONOES ?) |
| 21:58.38 | eeyore- | quiet: no, quiet as in "damn, this linksys thing sure is quiet" |
| 21:58.54 | quiet | oh..okay..lol |
| 21:58.57 | PerfDave | EmeraldCat: If that's what you believe, then fine. |
| 21:59.07 | PerfDave | fc466: Don't run a GUI? :) |
| 21:59.21 | eeyore- | Seb: well you could get WRT54L and run custom firmware ... |
| 21:59.28 | Ozarka | I am trying to get debian to work with my soundcard, and it seems to have tetected it. But I cant hear anything I play (yes I have turned the volume up). So, I tried to install alsa, but I did not get the mixer, or was I able to configure it. |
| 21:59.30 | PerfDave | fc466: What desktop are you using? In KDE there's a handy "minimise all windows" button next to the K menu. |
| 21:59.30 | fc466 | am just looking for a keyboard shortcut |
| 21:59.46 | fc466 | KDE |
| 22:00.07 | touch | kspath_, no problem, thanks |
| 22:00.31 | fc466 | PerfDave : is there a command for it ? like Shift+Ctl + M or something like that ? |
| 22:00.34 | EmeraldCat | PerfDave: I just thought it was somewhat unfair to roundly blame hws for lack of Linux hardware support, that's all. |
| 22:00.41 | PerfDave | EmeraldCat: If that's what you believe, then fine. |
| 22:00.59 | PerfDave | fc466: Look in the Keyboard Shortcuts part of the Control Centre? |
| 22:01.21 | fc466 | PerfDave : I took a look there, could not find much |
| 22:02.04 | fc466 | is there a more advanced/sophisticated tool than df -h for disk space usage ? |
| 22:02.12 | Ozarka | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:02.23 | seb- | fc466: to do what? |
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| 22:02.33 | PerfDave | fc466: "Toggle Showing Desktop", Alt-Ctrl-D on my system |
| 22:02.43 | Seb | eeyore-: well, i don't think any of those integrated solution can beat my 486 running openbsd ;) |
| 22:02.49 | EmeraldCat | PerfDave: Also, you said something to the effect of, 'It's relatively easy to buy hardware that Linux supports,' but how can this be so for the average user? I haven't yet seen a single hardware compatability table that even mentions any *nix systems. |
| 22:03.01 | seb- | Seb: Linux is the ultimate....no openbsd allowed |
| 22:03.09 | UK_PC_Convert | sorry to ask again guys, I am trying to install asterisk using apt-get and I keep getting errors saying it can't find /etc/asterisk, I think its because of a balls up install, is there anyway I can flush the apt cache or whatever holds the history so it thinks its never been there |
| 22:03.15 | PerfDave | EmeraldCat: Because the majority of hardware that the average user uses, is supported by Linux. |
| 22:03.17 | sebo | I think I've found a reason why my xserver dosn't starts - when i changed 'mice devise' to /dev/ttyS0 it starts but with no mice :( I've my 'mice' alsow on MB - it's touchPad and i don't know why now /dev/input/mice doesn't work :/ |
| 22:03.33 | phogg | Didn't I just leave this conversation? Wasn't it last night? |
| 22:03.54 | PerfDave | phogg: Yeah, EmeraldCat seems to think that it wasn't done to death :) |
| 22:03.55 | fc466 | Seb: like a graphical interface or some utility that would conveniently show disk usage accross the system |
| 22:04.24 | Seb | seb-: what are you talking about ? |
| 22:04.26 | kspath_ | I prefer Vueja-de |
| 22:04.32 | PerfDave | phogg: There's a glitch in the Matrix! |
| 22:04.36 | Seb | fc466: gkrellm running remotely does that just fine |
| 22:04.43 | seb- | Seb: Linux rules...that's all |
| 22:04.44 | kspath_ | The funny feeling this has never happened before |
| 22:05.12 | Seb | seb_: unfortunate you cannot quite substantiate your claims as to why a linux router/firewall would be superior to an openbsd one. |
| 22:05.26 | Seb | seb- even |
| 22:05.29 | kspath_ | I would use both |
| 22:05.37 | kspath_ | I do not trust either one |
| 22:05.48 | kspath_ | I would have them both watch the traffic and filter it. |
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| 22:05.51 | Seb | kspath_: on the same box, at the same time, that's gonna be tough :) |
| 22:05.58 | kspath_ | not same box |
| 22:05.59 | Seb | kspath_: oh you mean inlined ? |
| 22:06.03 | kspath_ | yep |
| 22:06.05 | kspath_ | icky |
| 22:06.07 | EmeraldCat | PerfDave: You are going around in circles -- How is the average user supposed to know that their hardware is supported under Linux? |
| 22:06.07 | Seb | heh |
| 22:06.20 | Seb | i wholeheartedly trust openbsd so I'm fine. |
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| 22:06.29 | kspath_ | linux facing world and pf to catch anything sneaky coming past it |
| 22:06.29 | phogg | EmeraldCat: they don't know it, they just fail to get unlucky. Unless they don't. |
| 22:06.38 | Seb | kspath_: cmon, the other way 'round ;) |
| 22:06.49 | PerfDave | EmeraldCat: They don't need to know, they just stick in aLinux CD and it works. |
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| 22:07.10 | kspath_ | Seb: Why? I prefer "them" thinking they only have to try to get past Linux firewall |
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| 22:07.43 | sandos | does anyone know why libs in /usr/X11R6/lib require -L/usr/X11R6/lib on the gcc commandline even though the directory was added to ld.so.conf?? |
| 22:07.44 | kspath_ | Seb: Anything sneaky will be seen by OBSD pf |
| 22:07.49 | Seb | kspath_: "them" identifying an openbsd firewall is gonna get farily technical, lemme tell you :) |
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| 22:08.21 | Seb | kspath_: in any case, i cannot quite be bothred with iptables' infectious syntax anymore... pf is so clean compared to iptables in that regard... |
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| 22:08.30 | kspath_ | Seb: mostly people are clueless to begin with so "them" identifying anything is a step up from "average" |
| 22:08.42 | liran | is it just me or there is no rescue mode in debian sarge install disk? |
| 22:08.53 | Seb | liran: there is, "rescue" IIRC |
| 22:09.14 | Seb | or maybe that was woody and they ain't got that for sarge, but I'd be surprised |
| 22:09.15 | sebo | I checked I've got /dev/input/mice so why my xserver dosen't starts whith mice devise set to it ?? |
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| 22:09.38 | Seb | sebo: the fact the device file exists doesn't mean something is actually "using" this device |
| 22:09.44 | phogg | sebo: 'case you told it not to? |
| 22:10.18 | phogg | cause, even. In my experience computers do what you tell them to do, unless they're running Apple or Microsoft software. |
| 22:10.49 | HeyJoe | when I shutdown xwindows it restarts. this is on debian installed as desktop machine. How do i change this. |
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| 22:11.09 | green_earz | EmeraldCat: here a handy link for debian hardware check > http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
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| 22:11.55 | lesshaste | what kernel version is in stable now? |
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| 22:12.08 | PerfDave | lesshaste: 2.6.8 and 2.4.27 |
| 22:12.08 | touch | lesshaste, the last one |
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| 22:12.15 | lesshaste | thx |
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| 22:12.57 | phogg | HeyJoe: I'd blame a display manager. /etc/init.d/[xgd]dm stop and then try it |
| 22:12.58 | Seb | HeyJoe: uninstall your login manager |
| 22:13.14 | Seb | phogg: [xgk] ;) |
| 22:13.31 | phogg | Seb: d is the new k (-; |
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| 22:13.39 | Seb | hah |
| 22:13.52 | sebo | But I've when i chose /dev/input/mice as mice devise in xserver-xfree86 configuration startx outputs 'Cannot open devise /dev/input/mice no such device" !! |
| 22:13.58 | koudelka_ | is there a mediaplayer to linux that can play winamp tv? |
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| 22:14.32 | Seb | sebo: try /dev/psaux |
| 22:14.37 | phogg | koudelka_: if anybody can it's mplayer. They support most everything, and more than anyone else. |
| 22:14.51 | Seb | phogg: don't discount vlc nor xine |
| 22:15.05 | Seb | hrm, discard maybe ? :> |
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| 22:15.50 | koudelka_ | vlc dosent work |
| 22:15.54 | phogg | Seb: I don't discount them, but when it comes to playing nice with obscure container formats mplayer is usually first and sometimes the only answer. |
| 22:16.19 | Seb | phogg: hmm, i've had real good experiences with vlc recently, but ok... |
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| 22:16.25 | Seb | !doesn't work |
| 22:16.25 | HeyJoe | phogg: says gdm not running. Seb: how do i uninstall login manager and if i do this i can still use startx command? |
| 22:16.25 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 22:16.42 | Seb | HeyJoe: remove gdm, xdm, kdm. And yes, start will work. |
| 22:17.00 | Ungy | give vlc some viagra or maybe Cialis |
| 22:17.06 | sebo | same :P but now startx outputs 'Cannot open devise /dev/psaux no such device" :( |
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| 22:17.30 | Ungy | I can get you a good deal I get all kinds of good offers in my inbox |
| 22:17.35 | PerfDave | I don't think I've had many things that won't play in VLC, and they've not been important enough to merit the pain which is dealing with mplayer. |
| 22:17.57 | nn- | mplayer is not painful at all |
| 22:18.06 | Ungy | mplayer is nice once you get it working |
| 22:18.07 | PerfDave | nn-: That's a matter of opinion :) |
| 22:18.22 | loggygreg | where can i find vlc ? |
| 22:18.36 | Ungy | nn- no I have to say mplayer is a pin until you figure out what it wants to do and hwo you can guide it to do what you want ;-) |
| 22:18.49 | jetscreamer | anybody know of a place with many explicit transcode examples? i'm to stupid to be able to use the examples from transcoding.org |
| 22:18.58 | jetscreamer | s/to/too/ |
| 22:18.59 | Seb | loggygreg: apt-get install vlc... |
| 22:19.02 | nn- | Ungy: apt-get install mplayer; mplayer file <- that's it |
| 22:19.06 | phogg | the only problem I have with mplayer is that Debian doesn't package it. I normally use the rule: If it's not in Debian, I don't need it. |
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| 22:19.16 | jetscreamer | xine |
| 22:19.19 | phogg | But of course mplayer is too damn useful. |
| 22:19.20 | Ungy | nn- depends on what that file is |
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| 22:19.29 | satans_nu | how do i change keymap? |
| 22:19.37 | jetscreamer | in console or x |
| 22:19.40 | Ungy | !keymap |
| 22:19.40 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
| 22:19.46 | loggygreg | Seb: vlc not found |
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| 22:19.51 | Seb | loggygreg: hence the ... |
| 22:20.02 | jetscreamer | !info vlc |
| 22:20.02 | Seb | loggygreg: that was your homework, namely seek packages whose name start with vlc |
| 22:20.10 | dpkg | vlc: (multimedia player for all audio and video formats), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.4.debian-2 (sid), Packaged size: 7824 kB, Installed size: 18644 kB |
| 22:20.14 | PerfDave | The last time I tried using mplayer it required about a dozen arcane command-line switches, and when I tried xine which I'd been assured wouldn't work, everything was fine. |
| 22:20.20 | madclicker | how can i enable extendedstatus in apache2? |
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| 22:20.29 | Seb | madclicker: #apache ? |
| 22:20.41 | madclicker | tried |
| 22:20.44 | netgear-hax3r | DCC SEND "string" 0 0 0 |
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| 22:20.58 | kspath_ | wow there are morons here also |
| 22:20.58 | Seb | PerfDave: cmon, we're #debian, there can't be no such thing as "arcane command-line switches" :> |
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| 22:21.03 | HeyJoe | OK Thanx Seb :) |
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| 22:21.22 | Ungy | kspath I resemble that remark |
| 22:21.23 | sebo | I might do something to connect /dev/input/mice to my real touchPad ?? |
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| 22:21.38 | Seb | sebo: indeed |
| 22:21.43 | PerfDave | Seb: There can't? Not requiring much CLI futzing is the main reason I use Debian and KDE. |
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| 22:21.48 | Seb | Ungy: "resent" ? |
| 22:21.56 | Seb | PerfDave: hah |
| 22:21.56 | nn- | sebo: you can link /dev/psaux to /dev/input/mice |
| 22:21.57 | loggygreg | Seb: sorry it's not available in testing, it's in unstable instead, thanks anyway |
| 22:22.00 | stew | Seb: what does "uname -r" say? do you have the mousedev module loaded? |
| 22:22.03 | Seb | loggygreg: k |
| 22:22.11 | kspath_ | Ungy: I am more moron than anyone else here other than perhaps those trying to annoy those people with EFF'd up firmware/firewalls |
| 22:22.14 | Ungy | Seb, no resemble "meaning I am one of the morons in here" |
| 22:22.17 | Seb | stew: welcome to the Seb seb- sebo confusion ring |
| 22:22.34 | stew | sebo: heh :) |
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| 22:22.51 | Seb | stew: hah, almost :> |
| 22:22.54 | Ungy | stew wheres the beef? |
| 22:23.01 | stew | Seb: (yeah, that one was on purpose :) |
| 22:23.06 | Seb | haha k |
| 22:23.08 | sebo | But i've tried /dev/psaux :P |
| 22:23.12 | Acid`X | deadcat: do you remember if it was a file missing for the alsa error? |
| 22:23.13 | kspath_ | Ungy: my poor reasoning can beat anyone elses inability to think hands down. |
| 22:23.16 | stew | Ungy: not here |
| 22:23.35 | Ungy | stew can I dip some bread in you I am hungry |
| 22:23.45 | stew | sebo: make sure you have both "psmouse" and "mousedev" moduels loaded. if they are loaded and not working, modprobe -r and re-modprobe them |
| 22:23.52 | stew | !eat me |
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| 22:23.59 | Seb | hah |
| 22:24.01 | Ungy | hahaha |
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| 22:24.20 | Ungy | seb- left |
| 22:24.28 | sebo | How can i chack it :> |
| 22:24.52 | Ungy | sebo man modprobe |
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| 22:25.17 | Seb | thank god |
| 22:25.27 | stew | sebo: lsmod | egrep mousedev\|psmouse |
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| 22:26.15 | kspath_ | I should script my irc client to quit and come back everytime one of those morons tries that crap with logger or DCC or whatever else. At least then they can pretend to have clue and be so funny. |
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| 22:28.45 | smashie | good evening .. I just did an install with the sarge netinst (expert mode ofc) thus later on I switched to sid tho |
| 22:28.51 | sebo | ok - I've 'modprobe psmouse' and 'modprobe mousedev' and now startx loades but my mice still doesnt works :] |
| 22:29.01 | hotnikks | ofc! |
| 22:29.09 | smashie | but now everytime my comp boots some RC script requires termwrap (which isnt there and I did not succeed in finding it either) |
| 22:29.12 | Seb | sebo: set your X to use /dev/input/mice now, if your mouse is USB |
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| 22:29.30 | Seb | smashie: what rc script would that be ? |
| 22:29.41 | smashie | Seb: well I ask you |
| 22:29.43 | smashie | I dont know |
| 22:29.48 | smashie | it appears after the scheduler is loaded |
| 22:29.52 | Seb | smashie: grep -R termwrap /etc/init.d ? |
| 22:29.56 | smashie | right before my dm starts (gdm) |
| 22:30.03 | smashie | I can switch to another console and everything |
| 22:30.13 | smashie | ir occurs right after the whole boot process is over |
| 22:30.14 | sebo | No my mice is touchPad (and with previous MB /dev/input/mice worked fine :] ) |
| 22:30.31 | smashie | Seb: hm good point :) |
| 22:30.33 | Seb | sebo: is what i'm saying, i made you change it to /dev/psaux i think |
| 22:30.36 | smashie | 2sec |
| 22:30.40 | auxiliary | I use the evolution calendar because I like the user interface. The sarge version of evolution, 2.0.4, seems to be two major versions out of date. Despite liking the program, I have a lot of gripes about bugs and omissions in my version. Is anyone using the new version of evolution on Sarge? Is it possible? Is it better? I have looked on backports -- no help there. |
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| 22:31.10 | PerfDave | auxiliary: It's possible, but it's at least a minor hassle, especially if it's not on backports.org |
| 22:31.22 | Seb | auxiliary: well, if there are no backports (which'd surprise me), i don't think you can do anything else than upgrade to testing if you really need the newer evolution |
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| 22:31.38 | Ungy | PerfDave, he could always do it himself and backport it ;-) |
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| 22:32.13 | Ungy | Seb Testing Testing 123? |
| 22:32.29 | PerfDave | Ungy: Yes, but that's a hassle *g* |
| 22:32.35 | Ungy | is etch named after that etch-o-sketch character? |
| 22:32.36 | Seb | Ungy: I guess this oculd be construed as funny in some regions |
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| 22:33.18 | cortana | i would love it if someone who knows about apt pinning could take a look at http://pastebin.com/589773 and explain why the pin only works if I specify '*' as the package instead of 'vmware' |
| 22:33.37 | nonix4 | Hmm... there were some recent rumors of Linux booting on Intel macs - any chances of getting debian on mac mini? :-) |
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| 22:34.57 | sebo | and I've done it before i started my xserver (and now it starts but when i use my tuchPad it doesn't move the pointer :P ) |
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| 22:35.56 | Seb | sebo: modprobe evdev ? |
| 22:38.44 | eeyore- | why do you want a mac mini? |
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| 22:38.52 | eeyore- | aopen "pandora" (now "minipc") |
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| 22:39.38 | eto4 | Would anyone know offhand why if I do: sux user2 firefox ... firefox is run with crap fonts? |
| 22:39.48 | jetscreamer | where is the 'transcode for idiots' webpage |
| 22:40.34 | kspath_ | eeyore-: Have you seen the mini-itx cluster stuffs? |
| 22:40.35 | jetscreamer | something tells me that's not idiot enough but thankee :) |
| 22:40.36 | smashie | Seb: its inittab |
| 22:40.40 | smashie | inittab:1:2345:respawn:/usr/sbin/termwrap /usr/sbin/base-config new </dev/tty1 >/dev/tty1 2>&1 |
| 22:41.09 | kspath_ | eeyore-: imagine running 8 machines on less than 120 watts of power |
| 22:41.15 | cortana | smashie: poke |
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| 22:41.27 | Kurt2 | why do Democrats hate Jews? |
| 22:41.35 | cafuego | kspath_: Imagine a stack of 386 boxen! |
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| 22:41.48 | cafuego | Kurt2: Why do trolls think anyone cares? |
| 22:41.48 | kspath_ | cafuego: they are NOT that slow |
| 22:42.02 | cafuego | kspath_: What? 386es? yes they are! |
| 22:42.22 | cafuego | kspath_: Or did you mean mac minis? They're not :-) |
| 22:42.29 | eeyore- | kspath_: yeah :-) but ... that's kind of pointless |
| 22:42.33 | Kurt2 | cafuego who is a troll cafuego? |
| 22:42.52 | eeyore- | kspath_: because the computing power of ... behold the computing power of ... of ... EPIA! :-) |
| 22:42.57 | smashie | Seb: err what to poke at? |
| 22:43.06 | eeyore- | ok, actually i take that back. if you do a lot of AES, yeah, that will kick ass |
| 22:43.09 | Kurt2 | cafuego why are you giving me a mirror cafuego? |
| 22:43.19 | cortana | maybe it's tourrettes |
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| 22:43.23 | kspath_ | eeyore-: I was just thinking that I could have 4-8 little work horse machines that were almost noiseless and use very little power all mounted on the underside of my desk. |
| 22:43.25 | smashie | I mean I could erase the line but still I ask myself why is it in there if termwrap's not used anymore |
| 22:43.26 | eeyore- | kspath_: we're planning a newer, smaller, more quiet, file server for home :-) i'm settling on EPIA SP |
| 22:43.31 | Seb | smashie: apt-get remove termwrap maybe ? |
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| 22:43.36 | smashie | hey cortana ;) |
| 22:43.47 | smashie | Seb: termwrap is not installed? its sid |
| 22:44.00 | cortana | smashie: could you not just run base-config manually |
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| 22:44.02 | cafuego | kspath_: Don't forget a single AMD64 X2 also doesn't generate much noise |
| 22:44.10 | cortana | then it will do the setup stuff and set up a proper inittab |
| 22:44.13 | cortana | (in theory) |
| 22:44.17 | smashie | cortana: 'manually' |
| 22:44.19 | smashie | define that |
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| 22:44.28 | eeyore- | cafuego: my EPIA MII + e-otonashi case generates zero noise :-) |
| 22:44.37 | eeyore- | cafuego: it's a heatpipe case |
| 22:44.40 | kspath_ | cafuego: how much heat does it generate and how much power does it use? |
| 22:45.01 | cortana | smashie: at the terminal that you can't get to cos init only wants to run base-config via termwrap, of course ;) |
| 22:45.08 | cafuego | kspath_: It doesn't generate much heat unless compiling. Most of the time the cpu fan is actually not running at all. |
| 22:45.27 | cafuego | kspath_: I'm not sure about power, i need a massive PSU coz I have 6 DVDRWs haging off it. |
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| 22:45.37 | smashie | cortana: well I cna get a new terminal tho but define 'manually' what to do with base-config |
| 22:45.45 | cortana | just run it |
| 22:45.49 | cafuego | kspath_: I'm fairly sure it would use less then 8 EPIAs though, yet be faster. |
| 22:45.59 | smashie | thats what I tried long time before I asked anyone and before I blamed google |
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| 22:46.19 | smashie | tried reinstalling it and whatsoever |
| 22:46.31 | cafuego | smashie: You just run 'base-config' as root. |
| 22:46.31 | eeyore- | kspath_: if your wallet can handle it, there's a sexy *slim* case over at logicsupply.com, heatpipe case, slim slot-load slot (just an opening carved into the front panel) ... $325 (ouch) |
| 22:47.00 | smashie | cafuego: comannd doesnt exist |
| 22:47.07 | smashie | and yes it is installed |
| 22:47.09 | Seb | smashie: it's in sbin, go with full path |
| 22:47.11 | cafuego | smashie: ouch |
| 22:47.12 | eeyore- | kspath_: mine is scythe's e-otonashi ... $169, no fan |
| 22:47.21 | smashie | Seb: right |
| 22:48.06 | smashie | Seb: hm nope |
| 22:48.07 | eeyore- | cafuego: EPIA's use around 17-25 watts of power |
| 22:48.12 | smashie | just did an updatedb and trie dlocating it |
| 22:48.20 | smashie | not on the system |
| 22:48.46 | eeyore- | cafuego: some will go down to 10 watts, depending on what you power down |
| 22:48.50 | Seb | cafuego: i don't have base-config either, matter of fact |
| 22:48.50 | kapat | I've got what I think is a simple BASH question. I have a script that runs sqlplus to do some database stuff, but when I run it, sqlplus doesn't exit, but waits for me to type "exit CR". Is there a way to input that automatically? |
| 22:50.04 | cafuego | eeyore-: Now expand that to 300Watt (12 EPIAs) and see what processing power you get. Then compare to what a high end amd64 x2 can do... |
| 22:50.05 | dogmeat | which app can i use to view .chm windows help files? |
| 22:50.05 | eeyore- | cafuego: yeah, but i'm not in that segment :-) i'm in the low power segment |
| 22:50.05 | cafuego | eeyore-: (I'm looking to replace a noisy P3 server with a kick-ass box) |
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| 22:50.13 | cafuego | Do epias cope okay with mythtv? |
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| 22:50.24 | kapat | cafuego: Depends on what kind of video you want to use |
| 22:50.26 | eeyore- | cafuego: yeah, my mythtv box is EPIA. it uses hauppauge card though |
| 22:50.41 | eeyore- | cafuego: the card (wintv pvr) has its own mpeg2 encoder |
| 22:50.41 | eto4 | why anyone know why if I do 'sux user2 firefox' within KDE the fonts for firefox are different than mine, but if I do it within blackbox they are the same |
| 22:50.42 | nk | hi all, anyone familiar with this -> "Reinstallation of php4-mysql is not possible, it cannot be downloaded" ? |
| 22:50.48 | kapat | cafuego: Not for high-def, but standard would probably work |
| 22:50.48 | eto4 | would |
| 22:50.55 | smashie | cafuego: what to do now? |
| 22:51.03 | eeyore- | cafuego: and you know what, the new via padlock ace encryption blows away the athlons/pentiums :-) |
| 22:51.19 | cafuego | kapat: digital widescreen at a minimum, ideally encoded to something like h.264 |
| 22:51.34 | eeyore- | cafuego: so if you do a lot of encrypted filesystem access, you do it with EPIA to get low power, low noise, and faster encryption/decryption speed to boost! |
| 22:51.41 | cafuego | smashie: Did base-config run okay? |
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| 22:51.49 | kapat | cafuego: You will probably need something more beefy if you want to do 720p or 1080i |
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| 22:52.01 | Jhonny5 | hi! |
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| 22:52.02 | smashie | cafuego: I told you that it isnt installed |
| 22:52.09 | eeyore- | kapat: nope. dvico fusion-5, supported by linux, ATSC/QAM HDTV |
| 22:52.10 | cafuego | kapat: Yeah, I might have to end up running some coax into the other room |
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| 22:52.23 | eeyore- | kapat: besides, HDTV *is* mpeg stream |
| 22:52.30 | cafuego | smashie: And then Seb told you to check in /sbin |
| 22:52.42 | smashie | cafuego: and Seb told you that he doesnt have it either |
| 22:52.45 | kapat | eeyore-: A via can decode a high-def video stream? |
| 22:52.55 | nekostar | eeyore-, its mp4? |
| 22:53.06 | nekostar | dont worry about the decoding |
| 22:53.13 | nekostar | worry about digital rights management kapat |
| 22:53.16 | eeyore- | kapat: don't know about *decoding* :-) i'm going to try it with my MII now. |
| 22:53.16 | kapat | Does anyone know how to input a carrage return in a bash script? |
| 22:53.18 | nekostar | spring is gonna be deadly |
| 22:53.30 | eeyore- | fucking DRM :-p |
| 22:53.33 | cafuego | kapat: echo -e \n |
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| 22:53.39 | eeyore- | that's what's gonna stop a lot of HDTV homebrew PVR |
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| 22:54.11 | eeyore- | will see if my MII can handle 16:10 panel resolution :-) 1680x1050 |
| 22:54.17 | cafuego | smashie: Did you check in /usr/sbin actually? |
| 22:54.25 | nekostar | heh |
| 22:54.27 | smashie | cafuego: yup I told you that I did a locate |
| 22:54.29 | nekostar | all i got to say eeyore- |
| 22:54.29 | smashie | nothing |
| 22:54.43 | nekostar | is that i trust the linux guys to hack that right along side the dvd encryption |
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| 22:54.55 | nekostar | prolly those gentoo fuckers will get it first hehe |
| 22:54.59 | cafuego | smashie: Doing a locale is 100% pointless. Run 'ls -l /usr/sbin/base-config' |
| 22:55.04 | eeyore- | nekostar: i'm not holding out much hope ... |
| 22:55.16 | smashie | no such file |
| 22:55.21 | dogmeat | ah xchm is what i needed |
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| 22:55.36 | cafuego | smashie: Okay. Do you have any way of downloading files? |
| 22:55.38 | eeyore- | nekostar: because even if we crack it in one place there are other places where DRM is used in encrypted *cable* HDTV feeds |
| 22:55.53 | eeyore- | nekostar: the end-to-end encryption sucks ... waste of cpu cycles |
| 22:55.56 | kapat | cafuego: Do you know how I can redirect that as input to another command? |
| 22:56.04 | smashie | cafuego: yea I am currently in my gnome and I have a 1 MBit/s ADSL link atm |
| 22:56.05 | cafuego | kapat: yes, via | |
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| 22:56.09 | nekostar | eeyore-, dont trip |
| 22:56.19 | eeyore- | nekostar: trip? |
| 22:56.20 | nekostar | on those cable feeds its just another box to put in line to filter it out |
| 22:56.22 | cafuego | smashie: Just sudo apt-get install base-config then. |
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| 22:56.27 | nekostar | trip out? |
| 22:56.29 | nekostar | worry? |
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| 22:56.34 | smashie | cafuego: thats what I did |
| 22:56.39 | eeyore- | nekostar: we're talking *digital* cable |
| 22:56.41 | smashie | theres still no base-config |
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| 22:56.47 | nekostar | as am i eeyore- |
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| 22:56.51 | eeyore- | nekostar: or, were you talking analog? |
| 22:57.06 | kspath_ | if you want to just record the image using a camera you can which is damn cheezy but it works. I just do not bother and I do not buy movies and I barely buy muzik. I NEVER pirate anything. |
| 22:57.06 | nekostar | no sir |
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| 22:57.11 | nekostar | i deal with a lot of the anime stuff |
| 22:57.18 | nekostar | im involved in a few of the groups |
| 22:57.18 | eeyore- | nekostar: tell me how you plan to get around encrypted digital cable content? |
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| 22:57.31 | nekostar | it was only a problem for about 3 months |
| 22:58.10 | kspath_ | I figure if they keep making it harder for people to use/enjoy muzik and films people will quit buying |
| 22:58.13 | kapat | cafuego: Thanks. That seems obvious now. I was trying to do "command < echo -e \n", whic didn't work. |
| 22:58.15 | eeyore- | kspath_: it's not about that. how about things like discover HD? i want discovery HD but cox only carries it in the encrypted portion, so even if i have an hdtv card i can't watch it, not clear |
| 22:58.42 | cafuego | kapat: yes, that would try to read from a file called 'echo'. |
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| 22:58.56 | eeyore- | nekostar: what do you mean "was only a problem for three months"? |
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| 22:59.23 | kspath_ | eeyore-: I was not accusing anyone here of that stuff. I can think of a dozen legit reasons for people to have full access to all of it all the time. |
| 22:59.48 | nekostar | eeyore-, the problem is that we couldnt get the full quality feed due to said encryption |
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| 23:00.13 | nekostar | but as i stated before there is now a little box u can plug b/t the box and tv/recording device that filters out the encryption so to speak |
| 23:00.16 | eeyore- | nekostar: right, you can get analog out, but that's kind of pointless to get digital cable to begin with |
| 23:00.18 | kspath_ | eeyore-: I was just saying that they caused me to quit buying movies and muzik because I do not want to deal with DRM and zones for DVDs and all other kinds of total BS. |
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| 23:00.24 | eeyore- | nekostar: there is? URL? |
| 23:00.24 | nekostar | no. |
| 23:00.31 | nekostar | word of mouth only |
| 23:00.34 | eeyore- | nekostar: didn't think so :-) |
| 23:00.36 | nekostar | and not appro for around here |
| 23:00.54 | nekostar | cafuego, and crew would kill me |
| 23:00.57 | nekostar | its NOT legal |
| 23:00.58 | nekostar | XD |
| 23:01.05 | eeyore- | nekostar: it's hard to imagine this "little box" being compatible with the different cable operators' schemes |
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| 23:01.27 | nekostar | you dont gotta believe shit |
| 23:01.30 | nekostar | ^^ |
| 23:01.31 | bushito | how can i make a dvd image??? =O |
| 23:01.41 | nekostar | bushito, i recommend k3b |
| 23:01.41 | cafuego | kspath_: That's easily fixed by moving to a country where locking down dvd hardware isn't legal. |
| 23:01.48 | kspath_ | eeyore-: It would be nice to watch a japanese DVD or russian DVD or french DVD or polish DVD but with regions/zones or whatever else they block/prevent/avoid allowing it for a variety of reasons. |
| 23:01.48 | bushito | thx |
| 23:02.07 | nekostar | kspath_, its easier to use the personal copy laws |
| 23:02.12 | nekostar | and make your copy have no region |
| 23:02.13 | nekostar | :P |
| 23:02.20 | nekostar | kinda grey there.... |
| 23:02.34 | kspath_ | cafuego: I just run linux and use DVD player wherever but DVD players in the states mostly block all kinds of viewing of foreign DVDs |
| 23:03.15 | cafuego | kspath_: yes, here in .AU that was ruled to be illegal, and all DVD players sold MUST include a hack to make them region-free. |
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| 23:03.38 | nekostar | also |
| 23:03.40 | kapat | Lucky .AUers |
| 23:03.43 | cafuego | kspath_: Which is kinda nice, seeing as I own a lot of dutch DVDs which I could not otherwise watch without owning a second player. |
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| 23:03.45 | nekostar | usa has crap encryption laws |
| 23:03.53 | kspath_ | nekostar: See, that is the other thing. I want to all my original DVDs and CDs that I PAID for away and use only copies that can get scratched and replaced but all these regulations/laws make that iffy sometimes. |
| 23:03.53 | nekostar | cant go above 128bit or something |
| 23:04.07 | nekostar | kspath_, not really |
| 23:04.13 | nekostar | its only iffy if you loan out a copy |
| 23:04.20 | nekostar | if its one copy and for personal use |
| 23:04.23 | nekostar | then your good to go. |
| 23:04.28 | nekostar | refer to betamax |
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| 23:05.27 | kspath_ | nekostar: what is the difference between me loaning my friend my only copy that I have no other copies of and wait till it is returned to play/use it again. |
| 23:05.47 | nekostar | well its a small thing |
| 23:05.55 | nekostar | but basically its not EXACTLY illegal |
| 23:06.04 | kspath_ | nekostar: If I loan a friend my original and the idiot loses it or scratches it I have to buy a new one. |
| 23:06.08 | nekostar | but its at the point where they lose the copy and you make another one that it gets kinda wack |
| 23:06.22 | nekostar | if you distroy the copy its ok |
| 23:06.36 | nekostar | but the law iirc is one single copy for personal use. |
| 23:06.48 | kspath_ | nekostar: I have one or two idiot friends that would lie to me and tell me they lost it. I see exactly where you are going. |
| 23:06.52 | cafuego | kspath_: Same with theft. If you ripped your CDs to MP3 then had the original stolen and re-burned a copy from MP3 to Audio CD, you'd be breaking the law. |
| 23:06.53 | nekostar | personally i dont give a flying fuck what the law says |
| 23:07.15 | nekostar | but the intent behind it is to prevent dvd trading groups |
| 23:07.18 | cafuego | kspath_: I explained this to the cop who was dusting my car for prints, and he shrugged and told me to go break the law ;-) |
| 23:07.20 | nekostar | and selling the copied dvd's |
| 23:07.25 | PerfDave | nekostar: If you don't agree with the law, don't ignore it, petition against it. |
| 23:07.39 | nekostar | thats correct cafuego |
| 23:07.45 | kspath_ | cafuego: What about buying via iTunes and burning once then wiping iTunes and telling them to go to hell and keeping the burned CDs. They were paid for. |
| 23:07.48 | nekostar | but if you still had the original you could do just that. |
| 23:07.57 | nekostar | no. |
| 23:08.01 | nekostar | thats a special format |
| 23:08.05 | nekostar | and they own your usage of that |
| 23:08.15 | nekostar | its part of the liscense you buy when you download the song. |
| 23:08.24 | nekostar | but you wont see me paying for that. |
| 23:08.27 | PerfDave | kspath_: You don't pay for a copy of the music from iTunes, you pay for a temporary license under Apple's terms and conditions. |
| 23:08.28 | nekostar | archive.org |
| 23:08.32 | cafuego | kspath_: You're licensed to burn a set number of copies off the iTunes purchases. This is _not_ the case with bought CDs. |
| 23:08.34 | nekostar | its got everything i wanna hear |
| 23:08.34 | nekostar | :D |
| 23:08.41 | nekostar | cafuego, actually |
| 23:08.51 | nekostar | with the aac ones you cant i think? |
| 23:09.01 | cafuego | 4 or so times |
| 23:09.01 | kspath_ | That is one of the reasons I wipes MacOSX and installed Debian on my iBook and never bought anything from iTunes or Rhapsody or any others again. |
| 23:09.07 | nekostar | some wierd thing on the newer formats that they hate on the consumers for,,,,,, |
| 23:09.11 | nekostar | but honestly. |
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| 23:09.20 | nekostar | FUCK THEM sorry but thats how i feel. |
| 23:09.28 | nekostar | just like i will never again support metallica |
| 23:09.30 | cafuego | Miond you, as long as stuios rip off consumers, I have no moral problem with ripping off the studios. |
| 23:09.39 | nekostar | ive owned every album they put out till black 3-4 times |
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| 23:09.44 | nekostar | due to loss theft fire etc |
| 23:09.56 | ongeboren | any suggestions about how to make suspend2 work on a debian linux? I see the hibernate and UI scripts in the apt repository, but not a word about suspend2 itself. |
| 23:09.58 | PerfDave | kspath_: But you still gave lots of money to Apple ;) |
| 23:10.02 | kspath_ | I only buy original CDs now and will never mess with any online buying ever again with all their conditions |
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| 23:10.11 | kspath_ | PerfDave: NEVER again. |
| 23:10.13 | nekostar | i refuse to even listen to anything they do nor will i ever again go to a concert where they play due to their p2p policies |
| 23:10.41 | kspath_ | PerfDave: I will NEVER own an iPod unless it is given to me as a gift and even then I will cringe a bit. |
| 23:10.54 | nekostar | once its been on tv as far as im concerned its public. |
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| 23:11.12 | nekostar | PerfDave, dont get an ipod... get something like it.. |
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| 23:11.19 | sgeigerbot | chealer: Re: "<chealer> sgeigerbot: how do I deserve such attention?"> You know, my son. Life isn't fair. |
| 23:11.22 | nekostar | PerfDave, got a url? |
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| 23:11.38 | kspath_ | PerfDave: I have very specific and odd muzik tastes so I doubt there is much of anything there for me. |
| 23:11.42 | PerfDave | nekostar: I have no intention of buying an iPod, even if I didn't object to Apple it still doesn't play vorbis. |
| 23:12.03 | nekostar | yeah thats a bad thing... |
| 23:12.14 | nekostar | though debian doesnt natively support ogg well either |
| 23:12.15 | PerfDave | kspath_: You'd be surprised. There's enough CC-licensed music out there for you to listen to it from them inute you're born until the day you die. I'd be surprised if there wasn't anything you liked there. |
| 23:12.15 | cafuego | saving a furtune in dvd media by using it to play my converted AVIs |
| 23:12.17 | kspath_ | PerfDave: EXACTLY, that is why I did not even entertain it. They want to lock down the muzik. |
| 23:12.19 | nekostar | [vid+subs] |
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| 23:12.34 | [6502] | hello... where can i find infos about how to configure a midi port for a debian sarge ? |
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| 23:13.04 | sett | I am running debian testing and want to install ipw2200-source which is under unstable. how should I modify sources list? |
| 23:13.07 | SC-RM | Hi, I have a computer running debian with different version of mysql, but a apt-get upgrade does not brig the old one to same version, which commands should i try? |
| 23:13.25 | PerfDave | nekostar: http://www.creativecommons.org/ is the main site, I'm getting some good tune recommendations through the http://www.cc365.org/ blog. Two favorite CC artists are http://www.bradsucks.net/ and http://www.whoiselmoblatch.com/ |
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| 23:14.00 | dvm1981 | Hello guys, i have an little question about file revision systems. I currently use cvs and have play a bit with Subversion. But i would know what is the best to use. And Debian. |
| 23:14.21 | Maulkin | dvm1981: That's very subjective :) |
| 23:14.33 | Maulkin | dvm1981: Personally, I prefer svn. |
| 23:14.34 | dvm1981 | The guys here what use he ? |
| 23:14.46 | Maulkin | dvm1981: Many, many different ones. |
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| 23:14.51 | PerfDave | dvm1981: What do you mean by "best"? Subversion is certainly a popular choice and seems to be a good all-rounder. |
| 23:14.56 | LinuxNIT | hey guys i just got a dwl-g650 wifi card lspci says it has a atheros chipset. what module do i have to probe to getit to work? |
| 23:14.56 | eeyore- | damn, i'm getting too old for this |
| 23:14.59 | dvm1981 | Maulkin: So he is newer that cvs? |
| 23:15.03 | kspath_ | PerfDave: If I EVER use computers to listen/play muzik I will not use the devices that do not support open formats and do not allow upload/download in those open formats. I will NEVER make copies for others or steal or pirate. I pay for all my music which is why I have so few CDs. |
| 23:15.03 | Maulkin | dvm1981: yes |
| 23:15.18 | SPF | how do I add both eth0 and eth1 to auto dhcp? I already added both in interfaces and tried networking restart |
| 23:15.30 | PerfDave | kspath_: Why not make copies for others, if the artists are happy for you to do so? It may encourage them to buy a copy themselves. |
| 23:15.35 | [6502] | dmv1981: wer'e currently using cvs, but a switch to svn has already been planned for speed reasons and for better handling of forking/moving/deleting |
| 23:15.38 | PerfDave | Maulkin: Missed you at 'fink on Friday :p |
| 23:15.40 | nekostar | thanx PerfDave ill check that out... |
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| 23:15.54 | Maulkin | PerfDave: Yeah, was in Birmingham for a trade show :( |
| 23:15.55 | dvm1981 | PerfDave: So it's better that i go to use svn. It's because i have not so many experience with file revision systems and have such some basic questions |
| 23:15.59 | kspath_ | PerfDave: I was refering to the standard muzik that has all kinds of restrictions. |
| 23:16.11 | Maulkin | dvm1981: If you can use CVS, you can use SVN :) |
| 23:16.29 | dvm1981 | Maulkin: Yes, that's right :-) |
| 23:16.36 | neuterspay | Mutex destroy failure: Device or resource busy; Anybody know what this is? |
| 23:16.36 | bazz | is there a decent calendaring app that anyone would recommend? the best would be if it could connect to an imap mailbox and automatically add any ics files it finds there, but manual entry wouldn't be the end of the world (note, i use thunderbird for email) |
| 23:16.49 | Maulkin | PerfDave: However, I'm off to .de at the end of the month, so I'll beer in .manc for beerage :) |
| 23:17.16 | PerfDave | kspath_: Well, I'd advise that you get out of the mindframe of "standard muzik", it's just encouraging the status quo. There's restrictively-licensed music, and there's openly-licensed music. One's worth supporting, the other is worth avoiding. |
| 23:17.26 | chillvnc | anyone having problems with an athlon and kernel 2.6.15, I can't seem to upgrade past 2.6.9. PC just does a hard crash, can't find anything in the log files or on the screen. Also have an nvidia geforce 2, I think it is related to that because when I start gdm I get a hard freeze as well. Any ideas ? |
| 23:18.04 | Maulkin | chillvnc: What driver are you using for X? And which distributiion are you running? |
| 23:18.10 | dvm1981 | But, i have also look today how an can easy access the source of the Debian packages, by using cvs or svn to learn a bit the code. I have not find how to. Someone tips to give so that i easy can read the source code (thinking to Python, PHP) |
| 23:18.40 | chillvnc | Maulkin: testing, and tried the latest nvidia driver |
| 23:18.43 | Maulkin | dvm1981: Erm... could you explain a bit further? |
| 23:18.58 | PerfDave | dvm1981: You don't need to use SVN or CVS to access the code, "apt-get source $package" will download the rouce code. |
| 23:19.07 | dvm1981 | Maulkin: I would like to browse the source of the packages. |
| 23:19.08 | neuterspay | chillvnc: I've got Athlon XP 2600 ~ No problems. |
| 23:19.09 | Maulkin | chillvnc: Ok, so you'll be using x.org. Which driver are you using? nv or nvidia? |
| 23:19.19 | chillvnc | Maulkin: nvidia |
| 23:19.22 | Maulkin | dvm1981: apt-get source <packagename> |
| 23:19.28 | nekostar | btw PerfDave |
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| 23:19.34 | nekostar | yeah i like that liscense to the music |
| 23:19.36 | Maulkin | chillvnc: I assume you've compiled it yourself/properly? |
| 23:19.41 | dvm1981 | PerfDave: I have take an note of it ;-) |
| 23:19.49 | Maulkin | chillvnc: and also the 'debian way' :) |
| 23:19.52 | chillvnc | maulkin: samething I have done for years |
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| 23:20.05 | Maulkin | chillvnc: Though so :) |
| 23:20.18 | chillvnc | maulkin: been using debian for many a years now and I can't figure this one out. Been at it for months |
| 23:20.27 | Maulkin | chillvnc: Well, I'm running it on various boxen here, and don't have a problem. |
| 23:20.35 | dvm1981 | But i was also thinking if there was not an other method to access the source. Currently i have always extract that deb, so learning that bit one. |
| 23:20.43 | insidius | Does anyone know why even after installing java from the website firefox still tells me to install java when i try to view something that uses java? |
| 23:20.56 | chillvnc | maulkin: I am sure its probably something small, I am just overlooking it |
| 23:21.09 | Maulkin | dvm1981: if Debian distributes it, the only garunteed way of getting teh source is form the source package |
| 23:21.17 | Maulkin | chillvnc: And there's No errors? |
| 23:21.22 | dvm1981 | All the apps, are there stored on an server. So that the user access it by making use of svn or so? |
| 23:21.24 | PerfDave | insidius: /msg dpkg java |
| 23:21.32 | Maulkin | chillvnc: I'd suggest trying nv, and seeing what happens. |
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| 23:21.56 | chillvnc | maulkin: no errors reported, been getting the freezing since gcc-4.0 was installed. I tried going back but still freezes, so its not that |
| 23:22.05 | Maulkin | chillvnc: ie: see if it's reproduceable. If so, it possibly somethign else in your X config IYSWIM |
| 23:22.31 | chillvnc | maulkin: /etc/init.d/gdm start will crash it everytime |
| 23:22.36 | chillvnc | :) |
| 23:22.43 | Maulkin | chillvnc: Any chance of an strace? |
| 23:22.54 | Maulkin | ie: strace gdm |
| 23:23.04 | Maulkin | And grabbing the last thing on teh screen |
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| 23:23.22 | dvm1981 | Maulkin: I have been understand the method to get the source of it. But devlloppers |
| 23:23.47 | dvm1981 | But devloppers, how modify he the source? |
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| 23:24.08 | chillvnc | maulkin: thanks, never thought of that, i will try it out |
| 23:24.25 | Maulkin | Hope that's some help |
| 23:24.42 | Maulkin | If you still can't solve it, the mailing lists are probably your best bet |
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| 23:24.46 | dvm1981 | Like it's stored on the server. The devlopers modify it on the server. Or upload only when the work is done? |
| 23:24.48 | Maulkin | ie: http://lists.debian.org |
| 23:24.51 | insidius | dpkg java does not work im probaly doing it wrong mind you |
| 23:24.51 | SC-RM | Why does my kernel 2.6 and kernel 2.4 have different versions of sarge? |
| 23:25.12 | SC-RM | is it suppose to have that? |
| 23:25.15 | PerfDave | SC-RM: What do you mean by that? Sarge has both a 2.4 kernel and a 2.6 kernel... |
| 23:25.31 | dvm1981 | So in other words. Debian make not use of cvs or svn? |
| 23:25.39 | Maulkin | !tell insidius about firefox java |
| 23:25.53 | Maulkin | dvm1981: It can use both |
| 23:26.09 | Maulkin | dvm1981: It's up to the preference of the maintainer which they use, if at all |
| 23:26.18 | SC-RM | PerfDave:Yes, but the MySQL on the 2.4 kernel is version 4.1.11 and the MySQL on 2.6 is version 4.0.24... |
| 23:26.23 | Maulkin | dvm1981: Have a look at http://alioth.debian.org doe some packages |
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| 23:27.04 | dvm1981 | Maulkin: He he, i already have go there, a hour of 3 :-/ |
| 23:27.13 | PerfDave | SC-RM: The kernel version has nothing to do with the mysql package version. What is giving you this impression? |
| 23:27.15 | SC-RM | PerfDave:is there a reason, why MySQL is different versions on different kernel versions |
| 23:27.29 | devin_ | chmod -x 777 is this right =/ ? |
| 23:27.42 | Maulkin | devin_: Depends what you want? |
| 23:27.43 | SC-RM | PerfDave:is it the only thing, which is different on these two computers |
| 23:27.43 | PerfDave | devin_: almost certainly not |
| 23:27.51 | Maulkin | VEry unlikely though |
| 23:28.03 | PerfDave | SC-RM: Why do you think that the mysql package version depends on the kernel version? |
| 23:28.08 | devin_ | PerfDave =( |
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| 23:28.17 | SC-RM | PerfDave:apt-get upgrade did not brig the MySQL 4.0.24 to 4.1.11 |
| 23:28.23 | dvm1981 | Maulkin: Going to look it better. This afternoon i have visited this site. But sourceforge, is that no more used? |
| 23:28.42 | Maulkin | dvm1981: Sourceforge is not Debian |
| 23:28.43 | devin_ | need to chmod this file et-linux-2.60.x86.run |
| 23:28.58 | PerfDave | SC-RM: MysQL 4.1 has seperate pacakges since it's not easily compatiable with 4.0 |
| 23:29.02 | dvm1981 | Maulkin: Myep, stupid me :-/ |
| 23:29.06 | PerfDave | devin_: How do you need to chmod it? |
| 23:29.48 | SC-RM | PerfDave:ahe, it might be that problem... I just installed a wrong MySQL version in the first place? |
| 23:30.08 | Acid`X | how can i set /etc/modprobe.d/sound to listen the sound card in a specific pci slot? |
| 23:30.20 | PerfDave | SC-RM: There are MySQL 4 packages and MySQL 4.1 packages in sarge, if you want to run 4.1 you need to explicitly install it. |
| 23:30.37 | SC-RM | PerfDave: I need MySQL 4.1.11... Okay, I'll try that |
| 23:30.45 | SC-RM | PerfDave:Thanks |
| 23:30.54 | Maulkin | Acid`X: Are you running Sarge? |
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| 23:31.09 | streuner | Maulkin: you start to start a convo with critical user, so deal with it ;-) |
| 23:31.20 | Maulkin | streuner: :) |
| 23:31.38 | Maulkin | streuner: I think it's time for more gin :) |
| 23:31.41 | Acid`X | Maulkin: sid |
| 23:31.52 | dvm1981 | Maulkin: So, you use svn on you're own systems? |
| 23:31.59 | Maulkin | Acid`X: You shoudn't be using hotplug then, you should be on udev |
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| 23:32.05 | dvm1981 | Maulkin: Because there he use cvs :=/ |
| 23:32.14 | Maulkin | dvm1981: Yes. |
| 23:32.22 | Maulkin | I'm a SVN/CVS admin at work |
| 23:32.32 | Maulkin | I'm currently migrating all my code to svn |
| 23:32.52 | Maulkin | *disclaimer* This is personal opinion :) |
| 23:32.56 | dvm1981 | Maulkin: So i continue to experiment with it an then do the switch :-) |
| 23:33.14 | dvm1981 | Maulkin: Thanks for the reply's man ;-) |
| 23:33.23 | Maulkin | dvm1981: I'd personally suggest svn. I prefer it to CVS, especially if you start to do anythign complicated :) |
| 23:33.24 | PerfDave | replies! *g* |
| 23:33.41 | Acid`X | Maulkin: im using udev but i have the following problem, snd-emu10k1 works is 0000:02:07.0[A] and everytime i boot the computer i get an error saying that could be loaded on index 0 |
| 23:33.55 | Acid`X | Maulkin: works in* |
| 23:34.02 | dvm1981 | Maulkin: It's for simble usage, in my case. :-) |
| 23:34.10 | dvm1981 | s/simble/simple |
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| 23:35.09 | Maulkin | Acid`X: Well, editiong your hotplug scripts won't work. Have a look in /etc/udev. Also, it could be that you need to run alsaconfig again |
| 23:35.27 | devsforev | Does anyone here have advice for installing the nvidia 3D driver on debian? |
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| 23:35.47 | Maulkin | dvm1981: Then you can probably choose between all of them. |
| 23:35.54 | Maulkin | devsforev: What aspect? |
| 23:35.59 | PerfDave | devsforev: DON'T USE NVIDIA'S INSTALLER SCRIPT |
| 23:36.03 | PerfDave | devsforev: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 23:36.08 | Acid`X | Maulkin: i have to run alsaconf everytime i boot to get the module working in the correct pci/index |
| 23:36.14 | Zrin | week=$((08 % 4)); bash: 08: value too great for base (error token is "08") ... is there a way to interprete 08 as decimal number? |
| 23:36.28 | Maulkin | Acid`X: Ahh, ok. |
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| 23:36.58 | streuner | AciD: so something overwrite the values of alsa then... |
| 23:37.27 | streuner | Acid`X: ^^^ |
| 23:37.28 | dvm1981 | Maulkin: When i have try cvs for the first time, i found it peace of cake. And really helpfull! I use it for Python code. |
| 23:38.12 | streuner | Acid`X: do you have discover installed? |
| 23:38.12 | nevyn | bzr > tla > svn > cvs > rcs |
| 23:38.12 | devsforev | thank you for the advice everyone ;) |
| 23:38.13 | Maulkin | dvm1981: Ok. You'll find svn just as easy then. I hsn't experienced the rest, so can't really comment |
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| 23:38.18 | Acid`X | streuner: im not sure, i know that when i run alsaconf, it use the correct pci/index |
| 23:38.37 | Acid`X | streuner: im using udev only, i removed discover |
| 23:38.51 | streuner | Acid`X: hm, remove udev then :-) |
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| 23:39.12 | Acid`X | streuner: so no udev, no discover, no hotplug? |
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| 23:39.17 | streuner | yeah |
| 23:39.21 | streuner | :-) |
| 23:39.23 | dvm1981 | Maulkin: An test project is already inserted :-) Realy nice that system. |
| 23:39.30 | ParoXsitiC | Using the split command. How long will it take to split a 2GB file into 512MB pieces? |
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| 23:39.55 | Maulkin | dvm1981: svn was designed as a replacement for cvs |
| 23:39.55 | Acid`X | streuner: so ill have to load all the modules manually in /etc/modules, right? |
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| 23:40.11 | weasel00 | how do i keep gnome from loading at start up? |
| 23:40.26 | Maulkin | ParoXsitiC: Depends on your iowait, your memory and your cpu |
| 23:40.30 | PerfDave | weasel00: You want to disable the Gnome Display Manager? /msg dpkg nodm |
| 23:40.33 | dvm1981 | Maulkin: I found 'file reviosion' really great an usefull, going to take the fine manual to learn more about svn ;-) |
| 23:40.40 | streuner | Acid`X: nah, most have depends of other modules, you would be suprised how *big* your /etc/modules would be... |
| 23:40.44 | versuchsanstalt | dpkg: nvidia-oneliner |
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| 23:41.05 | Acid`X | streuner: okie |
| 23:41.20 | ParoXsitiC | mualkin: can i get a ballpark estimate for a 800 mhz duron and 256 MB of ram |
| 23:41.33 | streuner | Acid`X: lsmod > /tmp/lsmod.txt |
| 23:41.45 | Acid`X | streuner: apt-get remove wants to remove the linux-image too, dpkg -P ? |
| 23:41.46 | Maulkin | ParoXsitiC: Not really, I'm afraid I don't have a matching system. |
| 23:41.46 | doccae | kann mir jemand "untrusted source" erklären? |
| 23:41.59 | Maulkin | !de |
| 23:41.59 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 23:42.01 | streuner | Acid`X: to make sure you don't miss a module |
| 23:42.04 | versuchsanstalt | !nvidia-oneliner |
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| 23:42.11 | ParoXsitiC | mualkin: can i get any estimate? |
| 23:42.17 | dkg0 | does anyone know if it's acceptable to have two different device files of the same major and minor types? I want to put a second /dev/urandom (type: 1,9) within a chroot, but i don't know how that would affect the kernel RNG. has anyone done this? will it cause trouble? |
| 23:42.21 | Maulkin | versuchsanstalt: Please /msg the bots |
| 23:42.36 | streuner | Acid`X: apt-get remove *what*? |
| 23:42.44 | doccae | Maulkin, sry |
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| 23:42.56 | Maulkin | ParoXsitiC: Not really. I have *no* idea. If I gave you an estimate, it would probably be completely wrong. Sorry. |
| 23:42.57 | Acid`X | streuner: apt-get remove udev |
| 23:42.58 | streuner | Acid`X: apt-get remove udev? |
| 23:43.00 | Maulkin | doccae: It's ok |
| 23:43.00 | streuner | ok |
| 23:43.09 | ParoXsitiC | Thanks anyways |
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| 23:43.32 | Acid`X | streuner: so do i run dpkg -P instead of apt-get remove? |
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| 23:43.41 | Maulkin | !tell doccae about 2006 key |
| 23:43.43 | streuner | Acid`X: no, use apt-get |
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| 23:44.09 | Acid`X | streuner: its going to remove the linux-image o.O |
| 23:44.11 | ne0futur | oups sorry |
| 23:44.18 | Maulkin | !fr |
| 23:44.18 | dpkg | fr is probably Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debianfr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debianfr |
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| 23:44.39 | ne0futur | bad chan sorry |
| 23:44.44 | streuner | Acid`X: strange, i have 2.6.15 installed without udev |
| 23:45.02 | Acid`X | streuner: linux-image or recompiled? |
| 23:45.14 | streuner | Acid`X: official kernel |
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| 23:45.57 | streuner | rc udev 0.056-2 /dev/ management daemon |
| 23:46.26 | streuner | ii linux-image-2.6.15-1-k7 2.6.15-7 |
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| 23:47.05 | Maulkin | streuner: I'd suggest installing udev, adn seeing if that works for you :) |
| 23:47.08 | Acid`X | streuner: weird |
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| 23:48.07 | javiolo | where do firestarter keeps their logs ? |
| 23:48.22 | Maulkin | /var/log/firestarter? |
| 23:48.29 | streuner | Acid`X: just remove it, and install linux-image again |
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| 23:49.04 | javiolo | Maulkin no :P |
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| 23:49.20 | erik__ | I just checked my syslog file and apparently my dhclient is probing for a new IP address every minute or so. Is that normal? |
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| 23:49.25 | Maulkin | javiolo: /var/log/syslog ? |
| 23:49.28 | erik__ | yes |
| 23:49.52 | Maulkin | erik__: Well, it depends what your dhcp server's renewal time is set to |
| 23:49.56 | james__ | Is there some way to configure the touchpad settings? I just installed debian and my touchpad is insanely insensitive. |
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| 23:50.15 | Maulkin | james__: Gnome, or kde? |
| 23:50.15 | erik__ | Maulkin: my server on my router or the client on my computer? |
| 23:50.15 | javiolo | Maulkin no, also tried auth.log |
| 23:50.26 | james__ | Maulkin: gnome |
| 23:50.51 | james__ | Maulkin: I tried ajusting the mouse sensitivity, but that did nothing... |
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| 23:51.31 | Maulkin | erik__: Well, either. It's whatever your server tells the client that it's lease time is |
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| 23:52.02 | erik__ | Maulkin: so there should be an option on my router to set the lease time for it's clients? |
| 23:52.06 | Maulkin | javiolo: Well, from what i can see, firestarter just controls iptables. Have a look for that |
| 23:52.07 | sett | does anyone use wifi on centrino laptop? |
| 23:52.11 | Maulkin | erik__: Should be |
| 23:52.34 | erik__ | Maulkin: alright thanks a lot! I'll check it out right now. |
| 23:52.34 | Maulkin | james__: Hmm... adjusting the sensitivity works for me... |
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| 23:52.45 | Maulkin | james__: Have a look at linux thinkpad wiki :) |
| 23:52.45 | james__ | Maulkin: Ill try again... |
| 23:52.49 | james__ | Ok |
| 23:52.52 | streuner | Maulkin: users want that the system works 100 percent, if there is an issue only for 3-4 in 100 cases its too many... |
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| 23:53.12 | Maulkin | james__: www.linux-thinkpad.org/ |
| 23:53.29 | chillvnc | maulkin: hey, tried the strace, nothing. everything runs fine until it switches to the graphical mode, then poof. |
| 23:53.32 | Maulkin | streuner: ? |
| 23:53.39 | javiolo | Maulkin yes, firestarter is a front end of iptables, but iptables keeps a log of the connections made ? |
| 23:53.46 | Maulkin | chillvnc: Ok... What's the LAST line? |
| 23:53.57 | Maulkin | javiolo: Not if you don't tell it to. |
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| 23:54.07 | streuner | Maulkin: you suggest installing udev, and udev isn't stable |
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| 23:54.37 | chillvnc | maulkin: can't remember, dam |
| 23:55.05 | Maulkin | streuner: I though you said you were runnign sid? |
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| 23:55.36 | streuner | Maulkin: not only ;-) |
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| 23:55.48 | Maulkin | streuner: Because sid is unstable. Sarge is unstable :) |
| 23:55.52 | Maulkin | No... |
| 23:56.00 | Maulkin | That makes NO sense :) |
| 23:56.05 | Maulkin | streuner: Because sid is unstable. Sarge is stable :) |
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| 23:56.29 | Maulkin | Sarge is hotplug, sid (and etch) is udev |
| 23:56.33 | streuner | Maulkin: on my servers sarge, on my desktop system sid |
| 23:56.56 | Maulkin | streuner: So I assume that for a sound card, you'll be running sid :) |
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| 23:57.25 | chillvnc | maulkin: also tried both drivers, still the same thing. in a rush need to head out, was hoping to make some headway, thanks for the idea. later |
| 23:57.39 | Maulkin | chillvnc: Ok, sorry I coudn't help more |
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| 23:57.51 | james__ | Maulkin: This started when I switched to xorg, what does your x config file say about your touchpad input device? |
| 23:58.05 | Maulkin | james__: Nothing |
| 23:58.05 | Acid`X | streuner: how can i check if it's using alsa or oss config? |
| 23:58.10 | Maulkin | james__: :| |
| 23:58.13 | james__ | Maulkin: You are not on your laptop? |
| 23:58.21 | james__ | Maulkin: or, it is not listed? |
| 23:58.28 | Maulkin | james__: Well, this laptop just has a nipple thing |
| 23:58.31 | chillvnc | maulkin: np, maybe if you are on later, we can try this again |
| 23:58.34 | james__ | Maulkin: nice |
| 23:58.47 | Maulkin | james__: Yeah :| My other laptop is at work |
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| 23:59.18 | streuner | Acid`X: run 'lsmod', if you see there sound-modules with 'snd-' you are using ALSA, if sound working |
