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| 00:00.21 | weasel00 | PerfDave : i dont want to remove it i just want it to not automatically start it on boot |
| 00:00.29 | A64 | hey... I upgraded to etch yesterday... and I had some problems with udev, hotplug and usbmount... but now everything seems to be ok... but now Xorg doesn't want to load my mouse... it is a PS/2 mouse... but it says "Cannot open device /dev/psaux No such device." ... what can I do? I've already tried to dpkg-reconfigure it many times... if I choose my mouse as usb or ttyS0 it just doesn't work the mouse, but the server loads... |
| 00:00.42 | A64 | *almost the server loads |
| 00:01.24 | Acid`X | streuner: ahh i saw, buffer went up console and i didnt saw hehe, but im trying to run apt-get install linux-image and its tryin to pull udev again |
| 00:01.29 | Maulkin | A64: What happens if you select /dev/input/mice ? |
| 00:01.31 | Kurt2 | why do Democrats hate Jews? |
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| 00:02.07 | A64 | Maulkin: hmmm, I don't even remember... give me a second |
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| 00:03.31 | Munchkinguy | Hello, |
| 00:03.48 | Munchkinguy | How do I set up my sound card in the console? |
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| 00:04.08 | A64 | Maulkin: do I keep the protocl as PS/2? |
| 00:04.13 | A64 | *protocol |
| 00:04.21 | Maulkin | A64: If it's a ps2 mounse, yes |
| 00:04.27 | A64 | ok |
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| 00:05.01 | Munchkinguy | Maulkin: How do I set up my sound card in the console? |
| 00:05.03 | beardy | Munchkinguy: Which kernel? |
| 00:05.12 | Ozarka | Ok, I figured it out, I removed my touchpad from the xorg.conf file and the serverlayout secion and let x think it was just another mouse... now it works fine! |
| 00:05.26 | Munchkinguy | beardy: I don't know. How do I check? |
| 00:05.26 | A64 | Maulkin: same error... btw, I don't have any of these packages: usbmount, hotplug, udev |
| 00:05.41 | Ozarka | Munchkinguy: Just apt-get install alsa |
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| 00:05.48 | beardy | Munchkinguy: 'uname -r' |
| 00:06.01 | riot | hi |
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| 00:06.26 | riot | how can i find out details like manufacturer of my harddrives? |
| 00:06.39 | Munchkinguy | beardy: 2.6.12-9-386 |
| 00:06.45 | A64 | riot, opening your pc :P |
| 00:06.52 | Munchkinguy | Ozarka: Thank you. |
| 00:06.59 | streuner | riot: hdparm |
| 00:07.12 | Ozarka | Munchkinguy: Then you need to run alsaconf and then alsamixer to set volume |
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| 00:07.14 | riot | A64: yeah. But i'm lazy. |
| 00:07.17 | riot | streuner: thanks :) |
| 00:07.41 | beardy | riot: check 'dmesg' or /var/log/dmesg, it usually gives some information, look for hda, or which device you want info on. |
| 00:07.49 | Ozarka | Munchkinguy: If you are running anything other than stable, you need to install a few more packages tho |
| 00:08.03 | Munchkinguy | okay |
| 00:08.07 | Ozarka | Are you? |
| 00:08.08 | A64 | Maulkin: so? |
| 00:08.20 | riot | beardy: yes, but not if the ringbuffer has been overwritten with newer stuff - its a ringbuffer. As streuner said, hdparm is excellent :) |
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| 00:08.41 | beardy | riot: That's why I also said /var/log/dmesg, it's there. |
| 00:08.44 | Munchkinguy | Ozarka: Yes, I'm running on stable |
| 00:08.55 | Ozarka | Munchkinguy: Then that should do it |
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| 00:09.20 | beardy | riot: But yes, hdparm is nice. |
| 00:09.22 | riot | beardy: ya, right :) just peekd into it. Useful, too *g* |
| 00:10.01 | litage | how can i determine if kernel 2.6.8 supports the Intel ICH6 chipset? |
| 00:11.06 | streuner | litage: grep the config for the module |
| 00:11.30 | litage | streuner: how can i determine which module it would be? |
| 00:12.52 | streuner | !driver locator |
| 00:12.53 | dpkg | driver locator is probably http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ will tell you what drivers you need if your computer has PCI |
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| 00:13.13 | A64 | anybody can help me? since it seems like Maulkin is busy with the bathroom (jkin)... |
| 00:13.39 | litage | awesome possum, thanks streuner |
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| 00:13.50 | Kiowas | hello |
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| 00:14.03 | Kiowas | Im having a problem with installing grub. |
| 00:14.09 | Kiowas | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:14.19 | litage | if you install debian with "linux26", kernel 2.6.8 is installed. is that this package?: kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 |
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| 00:15.23 | streuner | A64: modprobe psmouse mousedev |
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| 00:16.05 | Acid`X | streuner: i can't get the image w/o udev |
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| 00:16.08 | beardy | Kiowas: Do you have a digital camera? |
| 00:16.12 | streuner | litage: yes |
| 00:16.15 | james__ | How can you launch a program and 'detach' it from the console? |
| 00:16.29 | streuner | Acid`X: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500' say? |
| 00:16.30 | beardy | james__: Use screen. |
| 00:16.42 | james__ | beardy: Screen? |
| 00:16.44 | Acid`X | james__: program & |
| 00:16.47 | beardy | !screen |
| 00:16.47 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, screen is allows you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, has its own scrollback and copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or you get disconnected or http://www.michael-prokop.at/screen/ or at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/screen or apt-get install screen |
| 00:16.52 | Kiowas | beardy, wtf does that have to do with this |
| 00:17.01 | Acid`X | streuner: give me a sec |
| 00:17.11 | A64 | streuner: using /dev/input/mice ? or using /dev/psaux? 'cause with mice it gives me the same error |
| 00:17.17 | litage | thanks again streuner |
| 00:17.20 | beardy | Kiowas: Take a picture of that "smiley face" sounds really strange. |
| 00:17.40 | james__ | Acid`X: No, that would still mamek it spit debug code into the terminal, and if I close the term it would die as well |
| 00:17.47 | james__ | make* |
| 00:17.49 | dondelelcaro | Kiowas: uh... grub doesn't even have the code to do that in it, unless someone's been mucking about with it when I wasn't looking |
| 00:17.54 | streuner | A64: if you modprobe both modules you shouldn't have a problem then |
| 00:18.05 | Acid`X | streuner: ii libc6 2.3.6-3 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data |
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| 00:18.54 | Kiowas | its a smiley face icon. its about the size of a standard character |
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| 00:19.37 | streuner | Acid`X: What does the second entry say? |
| 00:19.53 | Acid`X | streuner: 500 http://mirrors.kernel.org unstable/main Packages |
| 00:20.12 | litage | is it possible to determine the make and model of a linux box's motherboard without opening the case (IE: from the CLI)? |
| 00:20.16 | A64 | streuner: hehe, now it works... so I have to add it to /etc/modules? |
| 00:20.30 | streuner | yes |
| 00:20.38 | Kiowas | dondelelcaro, well, its doing it |
| 00:20.41 | A64 | ok, thanks to everybodyy := |
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| 00:21.16 | dondelelcaro | Kiowas: your machine may be doing that, but I kind of doubt that it's grub that is doing that. |
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| 00:21.57 | Kiowas | dondelelcaro, it is grub. it only happens when I install grub on the mbr. when I put lilo back on there everything runs fine. and booting from a grub cd works fine. |
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| 00:23.01 | Kiowas | grub may not be programmed to do that, but it is causing it |
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| 00:23.16 | Acid`X | streuner: any idea? |
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| 00:23.23 | dondelelcaro | it's possible that it's triggering another boot loader or something similar on the machine. |
| 00:23.40 | neuterspay | OMG. Will Eclipse IDE work with Blackdown Java? |
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| 00:23.50 | streuner | Acid`X: well, there should be some other depends which want to install udev then |
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| 00:24.03 | Kiowas | dondelelcaro, why would it do that? its the only bootloader in the mbr and I havent given it a menu.lst it should give me a command line |
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| 00:24.08 | dondelelcaro | Kiowas: but in any case, you're going to need to give us the exact output from grub that you're getting, which version of grub you're using, and the exact command that you're using to put grub on the drive. |
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| 00:24.28 | streuner | Acid`X: show us the output in paster (/msg dpkg paster) |
| 00:24.28 | Acid`X | streuner: initramfs-tools |
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| 00:24.54 | Kiowas | dondelelcaro, Im using 0.97 the output is a smiley face that zips around the screen and ends up in the bottom near the right side. |
| 00:25.06 | nix | if I make a LVM group or volume on a hardware raid5 array, should I add any options that specify the array blocksize and no. of disks? I recall doing that in the past. |
| 00:25.21 | dondelelcaro | Kiowas: what type of smiley face? |
| 00:25.24 | Kiowas | dondelelcaro, to install it Im doing: root (hd0,0) followed by setup (hd0) and rebooting |
| 00:25.38 | dondelelcaro | Kiowas: there's a device call before that, right? |
| 00:25.53 | Kiowas | dondelelcaro, it looks like an icon of a smiley face, not a rendered one |
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| 00:26.08 | Kiowas | dondelelcaro, what is a device call? |
| 00:26.31 | streuner | Acid`X: use yaird instead then |
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| 00:27.03 | dondelelcaro | Kiowas: you have to say device (hd0) /dev/foo; first. |
| 00:27.24 | dondelelcaro | (unless you're going to assume that grub's device tree is correct, which it often isn't.) |
| 00:27.43 | Agrajag- | gday. i've installed sarge on a machine which requires the megaraid2 module. the 2.6.8 kernel appears to be missing this, but it's in 2.4. http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2005/04/msg00330.html says i need a newer kernel. i don't really want to compile one myself, is there an alternative other than sticking with 2.4? |
| 00:27.54 | Kiowas | dondelelcaro, I know it is correct, I boot from it all the time with the cd, I just wanted to put it on the hard drive instead of having to put the cd in to boot |
| 00:28.20 | dondelelcaro | Kiowas: grub may work, but whether hd0 is actually the device you want to boot of or not is not clear. |
| 00:28.50 | Acid`X | streuner: now its working without udev :] |
| 00:28.54 | Kiowas | dondelelcaro, when I boot with grub, I use hd0 |
| 00:29.01 | Acid`X | streuner: ty :] |
| 00:29.14 | streuner | Acid`X: you're welcome. |
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| 00:29.34 | Kiowas | dondelelcaro, I boot like this: root (hd0,0) kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/sdc1 |
| 00:29.39 | dondelelcaro | Kiowas: does your menu.lst contain a device line? |
| 00:29.45 | Acid`X | now i gotta check if alsa will still work in that kernel |
| 00:29.56 | Kiowas | dondelelcaro, I moved the menu.lst out of the way. I dont want it right now |
| 00:30.17 | dondelelcaro | Kiowas: no, on the cdrom that you're using to boot initially. |
| 00:30.31 | shadow98 | hey guys i upgraded to kernel linux-image-2.6-686 and after rebooting one time it will get an address and the next time it won't |
| 00:30.39 | shadow98 | any ideas on what might be wrong |
| 00:30.44 | Kiowas | dondelelcaro, it doesnt have a menu.lst either |
| 00:30.50 | dondelelcaro | Kiowas: secondly, have you put on a clean mbr using fixmbr after removing lilo? |
| 00:30.57 | streuner | Acid`X: alsaconf set the right modules for you, you don't need to make an entry in /etc/modules |
| 00:31.07 | Kiowas | dondelelcaro, no, I didnt do that. would that matter? |
| 00:31.11 | dondelelcaro | Kiowas: yes. |
| 00:31.13 | Acid`X | shadow98: ip address? |
| 00:31.28 | Kiowas | dondelelcaro, alright, let me try that |
| 00:31.45 | shadow98 | Acid'X: its not receiving dhcp address for some reason |
| 00:31.47 | beardy | shadow98: "an address"? |
| 00:31.49 | dondelelcaro | s/fixmbr/install-mbr/ |
| 00:32.01 | Kiowas | dondelelcaro, where is that? |
| 00:32.05 | shadow98 | beardy: what do you mean by that |
| 00:32.20 | beardy | shadow98: Yes, that's what I was wondering.. |
| 00:32.29 | dondelelcaro | Kiowas: in the mbr package. |
| 00:32.33 | Supaplex | I've used this external usb drive before just fine. I modprobe usb-storage, and nothing new is in /proc/partitions. dmesg and syslog don't report any new devices. What else am I missing? |
| 00:32.35 | Acid`X | shadow98: check your /etc/network/interfaces and adjust it to your nic card, it changed |
| 00:32.47 | shadow98 | beardy: i try ifup and it keeps requesting but never gets that address |
| 00:33.04 | Acid`X | shadow98: dmesg | grep -i eth |
| 00:33.07 | Kiowas | dondelelcaro, there is no mbr package |
| 00:33.33 | dondelelcaro | !+info mbr |
| 00:33.34 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
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| 00:34.01 | shadow98 | eth1 e100_probe: eth1 link is not ready |
| 00:34.29 | Acid`X | shadow98: do you have a firewire port? |
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| 00:35.10 | Acid`X | shadow98: dmesg | grep -i eth |
| 00:35.37 | dpkg | mbr: (Master Boot Record for IBM-PC compatible computers.), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.1.5-2 (sid), Packaged size: 19 kB, Installed size: 46 kB |
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| 00:35.55 | colapse | yo yo |
| 00:35.58 | shadow98 | AciD: i see the problem its trying to use wrong network card...i did ifconfig -a then searched google for a mac address search...but the first three in and eth1 is the built in card and not the 3com card i put in |
| 00:36.10 | shadow98 | ill put it in interfaces |
| 00:36.11 | colapse | is ne one alive |
| 00:36.11 | colapse | hi |
| 00:36.11 | colapse | hi my |
| 00:36.11 | colapse | hi my name |
| 00:36.11 | colapse | hi my name is |
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| 00:36.22 | Supaplex | lspci is y0 friend |
| 00:36.27 | dondelelcaro | Kiowas: see above. |
| 00:36.33 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: reload |
| 00:36.33 | dpkg | reloading... |
| 00:36.33 | dpkg | reloaded: |
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| 00:36.56 | Supaplex | !stun colapse |
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| 00:37.06 | colapse | haha |
| 00:37.07 | dondelelcaro | colapse: please don't do that again. |
| 00:37.10 | colapse | srry |
| 00:37.20 | Kiowas | dondelelcaro, thats nice, but aptitude install mbr still gives 'no candidate version found for mbr' |
| 00:37.25 | colapse | i must of had too mush coffee |
| 00:37.31 | streuner | !tell colapse about flood |
| 00:37.34 | colapse | look i cant even spell |
| 00:37.42 | Supaplex | maybe it's the b00ze |
| 00:37.42 | colapse | tell |
| 00:37.47 | dondelelcaro | Kiowas: what version of Debian are you using? What mirror? have you updated your sources.list appropriately? |
| 00:37.47 | colapse | yep |
| 00:37.49 | satans_ny | how do I save a commandobuffert into clipboard? like echo "french café" | clipboard |
| 00:38.16 | nkuttler_ | satans_ny: xclip iirc |
| 00:38.25 | dogmeat | !seen bob2 |
| 00:38.25 | dpkg | bob2 <i=rob@crumbs.ertius.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 83d 17h 33m 7s ago, saying: 'Mortal1: np, good luck'. |
| 00:38.34 | beardy | yikes |
| 00:38.46 | Lamperi | !seen opqdonut |
| 00:38.46 | dpkg | opqdonut is currently on #debian (1d 14h 17m 24s). Has said a total of 27 messages. Is idling for 7h 42m 25s |
| 00:38.47 | Supaplex | good memory |
| 00:38.59 | Kiowas | dondelelcaro, Im using unstable amd64 version with debian.csail.mit.edu and mirror.espri.arizona.edu on my list. sources.list is fine |
| 00:39.03 | colapse | ne hungry? |
| 00:39.24 | dogmeat | what happened to bob2? |
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| 00:39.48 | wireddd | !seen bob2 |
| 00:39.49 | dpkg | bob2 <i=rob@crumbs.ertius.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 83d 17h 34m 30s ago, saying: 'Mortal1: np, good luck'. |
| 00:40.17 | streuner | dogmeat: well, if you care just write him |
| 00:40.17 | Supaplex | he's um.. not here. |
| 00:40.18 | dogmeat | ok, he doesn't hang around here anymore |
| 00:40.40 | dondelelcaro | Kiowas: in the future, it would help if you would actually tell us what distribution you're using. In any case, mbr is i386 only, so you'll either have to drop the drive in an i386, or extract the mbr and rewrite it manually. |
| 00:40.44 | streuner | nor in #ubuntu |
| 00:40.57 | colapse | ne one listen to guns'n'roses? |
| 00:40.59 | dogmeat | ah :( |
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| 00:43.40 | Kiowas | dondelelcaro, I have another hard drive with a 32 bit installation, I can chroot into it. what do I wanna do with the mbr? |
| 00:44.12 | dondelelcaro | Kiowas: basically, just install-mbr /dev/sda; should do it. |
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| 00:44.19 | nzx | hey, i am setting up the nvida driver, i need to add, option "NoDDC" "on", which section of my xorg.conf do i add it to? |
| 00:44.31 | Kiowas | dondelelcaro, what does that do? |
| 00:44.39 | Grabber | oh |
| 00:44.53 | jZed | I have sarge, didn't configure exim on installation, want to configure it now ... eximconf not found ... eximconfig4 not found ... what am I looking for? |
| 00:45.01 | magyar | whats the diff between ntp and nntp? |
| 00:45.06 | dondelelcaro | Kiowas: installs an mbr to /dev/sda which passes of to the active partition and attempts to boot |
| 00:45.30 | dondelelcaro | Kiowas: it's basically the equivalent of FDISK.EXE /FIXMBR or whatever it was. |
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| 00:45.38 | stoned | how can I increase the default amount of time sudo remembers a password, so if within (originally 15 minutes afaik) this time the sudo command is used again, it doesn't ask for the password. How can Increase this from 15 minutes to something else? |
| 00:45.48 | Kiowas | dondelelcaro, ok, thanks |
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| 00:46.05 | nkuttler_ | magyar: ummm... they are totally unrelated. google it. |
| 00:46.20 | asg | stoned: man sudoers ; /timestamp_timeout |
| 00:46.22 | dondelelcaro | stoned: man sudoers; read about the timestamp_timeout |
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| 00:46.35 | stoned | thanks |
| 00:46.45 | Grabber | Anyone know diferrences between apt-build and emerge(gentoo)? |
| 00:46.47 | asg | stoned: you're welcome |
| 00:47.23 | stoned | how does one search within a huge manpage? |
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| 00:47.30 | asg | stoned: type '/foo' |
| 00:47.32 | dondelelcaro | stoned: with less and / |
| 00:47.38 | dondelelcaro | (or info and C-s) |
| 00:47.41 | magyar | nkuttler_, i got it....thanks |
| 00:47.45 | stoned | ahh |
| 00:47.49 | stoned | the / yeah, nice |
| 00:47.51 | dondelelcaro | stoned: man less; you'll be clad you did. |
| 00:47.53 | stoned | i did no know that |
| 00:47.55 | dondelelcaro | s/clad/glad/ |
| 00:47.58 | stoned | ok |
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| 00:48.19 | dbe | how do I connect to a specific port with SSH? |
| 00:48.30 | streuner | dbe: man ssh |
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| 00:48.58 | magyar | man sshd |
| 00:49.10 | phobo | I have software RAID 1 with dev/sda, dev/sdb and are testing it before going into production. I have taken out the second disk, and replaced it with another of same physical size, but it has random old partitions and files on it. What is the suggested way to bring it up and mirror it from the first disk? The RAID disk has 5 partitions on it, to create /dev/md0, md1,md2,md4,md5 |
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| 00:49.14 | concept10 | Anyone ever worked at an ISP? (maybe as NOC Engineer) |
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| 00:49.26 | streuner | dbe: if you wanna change the port (server) - man sshd_config |
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| 00:49.30 | lawl | DCC SEND "string" 0 0 0 |
| 00:49.33 | Supaplex | concept10: yup |
| 00:49.38 | hypnox | concept10 why? |
| 00:49.39 | skon | <dbe> ssh username@host -p [port number] |
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| 00:50.39 | concept10 | hypnox, im about to submit a application to a local isp, I have never worked in one, want to know what the experience is like. |
| 00:50.56 | jZed | how do I run a configuration program for exim? |
| 00:51.01 | concept10 | Supaplex, how long did you work there? |
| 00:51.02 | asg | concept10: it would depend on what the job description indicates |
| 00:51.09 | asg | jZed: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 00:51.11 | Supaplex | concept10: a few years |
| 00:51.16 | asg | jZed: or eximconfig (for exim v3) |
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| 00:51.43 | hypnox | very varied and very busy, in my 10 months or so of it |
| 00:51.48 | jZed | excellent! thanks asg |
| 00:52.27 | asg | jZed: you're welcome |
| 00:52.54 | concept10 | asg, The job description seems easy enough, basic web and mail server administration. The problem for me is, I never had an IT job, IT was always a collateral duty for me |
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| 00:53.15 | nadim | Hi - I'm getting the following error - anyone know where I should look and/or what channel to ask ? symbol __libc_stack_end, version GLIBC_2.1 not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 |
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| 00:53.57 | assman | @find uml |
| 00:54.11 | phobo | what is the complete 192.168.1.x range in the formation of 192.168.1.0/x? is /8 ?? |
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| 00:54.14 | mikearthur | how do I upgrade a package that has been "kept back" |
| 00:54.29 | Stevie | apt-get install keptbackpackagenamehere |
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| 00:54.44 | shadow98 | why is it so damn hard to setup snort on debian...nobody has written a good doc on it yet |
| 00:54.47 | shadow98 | that i can find |
| 00:54.49 | mikearthur | what does that mean, Stevie |
| 00:54.54 | mikearthur | as in "kept back" |
| 00:54.57 | mikearthur | I'm newish to apt |
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| 00:55.16 | assman | @find uml |
| 00:55.18 | ravenbird | Debian Package Listing of 'uml' (4): argouml ;; argouml-doc ;; cl-umlisp ;; cl-umlisp-orf. |
| 00:55.22 | Stevie | It means that there's a newer version, but it can't upgrade it without doing a bunch of other stuff -- so it won't upgrade it unless you explicitly request it |
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| 00:55.38 | nkuttler_ | phobo: google netmask |
| 00:55.57 | shadow98 | anybody know if there is a good guide out there on how to install snort / base / mysql |
| 00:56.12 | Kiowas | dondelelcaro, That didnt work, Im still getting the stupid smiley face. It's like its mocking me |
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| 00:56.53 | dondelelcaro | Kiowas: hrm... and you're sure the bios is actually booting off of that device first? |
| 00:56.53 | CLucas916 | anyone have problems installing debian on an nforce4 ultra mobo? |
| 00:57.12 | Kiowas | dondelelcaro, yes, if I put lilo on there it will boot fine. If I put grub it will give me the smiley face |
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| 00:57.36 | dondelelcaro | hrm. well, I can't think of anything that would cause a smiley face. Try asking on debian-user |
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| 00:57.44 | nzx | which section of the xorg.conf file would i add options to change the nvidia driver? |
| 00:57.54 | asg | concept10: if you have skills comensurate with the abilities desired by the job, highlight those in the interview. While having *official* experience/education is a plus, the interview will weed out those who know from those who don't. |
| 00:57.55 | CLucas916 | nzx: change nv to nvidia |
| 00:58.00 | Stevie | the 'smiley face' is \x01 or \x02 |
| 00:58.31 | CLucas916 | anyone have problems installing debian on an nforce4 ultra mobo? |
| 00:59.00 | nzx | CLucas916, hey, i've done that allready, but i need to add another option, option "NoDDc" "on", iam not sure where to add that |
| 00:59.19 | concept10 | asg, thanks - thats nice advice |
| 00:59.22 | jZed | cool mail works now, thanks again asg |
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| 00:59.42 | CLucas916 | nzx: do you know what it does? |
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| 01:00.11 | nzx | CLucas916, yea, i've got two black bars on my screen, it will get rid of them |
| 01:00.17 | asg | concept10: the tricky part is getting the interview though. Depending on the organization you are interviewing with, not having the on paper credentials will often get you no further than the standard automatic HR gauntlet. |
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| 01:00.27 | CLucas916 | nzx: ah ok, well im not sure |
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| 01:00.33 | qwerty | !apt tell qwerty about dpkg.cfg |
| 01:00.40 | nzx | CLucas916, i have a sony vaio that uses 1280X800 res |
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| 01:01.20 | concept10 | asg, yep.. I agree with that |
| 01:01.25 | nzx | CLucas916, me neither |
| 01:01.46 | Acid`X | streuner: so pretty much that, i'll have to load the modules that i need manually from now on right? |
| 01:01.50 | nzx | CLucas916, it is an option i need to pass to nvidia driver, i know that much |
| 01:02.10 | CLucas916 | nzx: let me look real quick |
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| 01:02.30 | asg | concept10: I interviewed someone for a Unix job who had 10 years experience with scripting and administration on his resume. During the interview, I found out that 10 years experience was him running a series of scripts every day to perform backups. |
| 01:02.47 | nzx | CLucas916, thank you very much, i also want to pass "NoLogo" i think i will need to add that to the same section |
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| 01:03.14 | CLucas916 | nzx: ya im familiar with nologo, i hate that damn nvidia log |
| 01:03.16 | CLucas916 | logo |
| 01:03.21 | Ozarka | How can I tell what driver version debian is using for my networking card? |
| 01:03.24 | qwerty | How do I get dpkg to quit bugging me about NO_PUBKEY? |
| 01:03.37 | asg | Ozarka: try 'modinfo <driver>' |
| 01:03.39 | thingfish | qwerty: /topic |
| 01:03.48 | phobo | does 192.168.1.0/8 mean 192.168.1.0 to 192.168.1.255 ? |
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| 01:04.13 | asg | phobo: no, that would be 192.168.1.0/24 |
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| 01:04.23 | nzx | CLucas916, which section do i add the NoLogo option? cos i think i need to add the NoDDC to the same place, i'll give it a quick try, it wont hurt, well hopefully :) |
| 01:04.25 | Ozarka | asg: Thanks |
| 01:04.50 | concept10 | asg, my resume is 100% accurate, I dont enjoy boasting about skills I don't have. I am familiar with administration but not with scripting, I know enough and PHP and Ruby to be dangerous but, Im not a programmer |
| 01:04.53 | CLucas916 | nzx: add the noddc option where it says "driver "nvidia"" |
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| 01:04.57 | qwerty | thingfish Im at 0.6.43.2, it says 0.6.43.1? |
| 01:05.13 | nzx | CLucas916, thank you, do i add the nologo there as well? |
| 01:05.15 | asg | concept10: then, if you get to the interview, you should be fine. |
| 01:05.21 | CLucas916 | nzx: ya |
| 01:05.21 | Ozarka | How do I uninstall the default modules that debian came with so I can compile my own drivers? |
| 01:05.24 | CoolGuy | How can I find package names? Like apt-get install blah ?for instance apt-get install xchat works... but not apt-get install mysql |
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| 01:05.38 | RandomGuy | hi emb. |
| 01:05.41 | nzx | CLucas916, thank you very much |
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| 01:05.46 | asg | CoolGuy: apt-cache search <keywords> |
| 01:05.50 | thingfish | qwerty: no idea. I use sarge. Maybe someone using etch will help you. |
| 01:06.01 | CoolGuy | asq, cool, thanks. |
| 01:06.39 | concept10 | asg, I live at the command line but I wouldnt dare putting that I am anywhere decent with shell scripting (Even if I was, thats a horrible job, imho) |
| 01:07.27 | nzx | time to test, fingers crossed |
| 01:07.48 | abrotman | concept10: it's part of the job |
| 01:07.50 | asg | concept10: well, scripting (shell, Perl, Python, etc.) is a standard part of system administration. |
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| 01:09.32 | concept10 | Yeah, I know scripting is a part of the job, but I am aiming at more of a jr. sysadmin position |
| 01:09.45 | CoolGuy | hmm, apt-cache search mysql returned a lot of hits.. |
| 01:09.56 | asg | concept10: jr. sysadmins get all the menial scripting :) |
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| 01:10.32 | CoolGuy | I wonder which one to choose.. |
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| 01:13.55 | concept10 | asg, thanks again, im off to sleep, I woke up at 1:30 AM this morning, thought it was 6:30 and have been up ever since |
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| 01:14.09 | CoolGuy | Which one should I install |
| 01:14.14 | asg | concept10: night, good luck down the road |
| 01:14.40 | concept10 | asg, later |
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| 01:16.59 | seb- | what sound packages need to install after a kernel upgrade? |
| 01:17.11 | seb- | (i think my sound drivers got messed up from kernel upgrade) |
| 01:17.21 | Acid`X | streuner: ty again :] bbl |
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| 01:17.49 | CoolGuy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:18.29 | asg | CoolGuy: or mysql-server-4.1 (for the 4.1 variant) |
| 01:18.45 | CoolGuy | it gives me dependency errors.. |
| 01:19.16 | CoolGuy | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 01:19.16 | CoolGuy | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:19.16 | CoolGuy | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:19.16 | CoolGuy | E: Broken packages |
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| 01:19.49 | asg | CoolGuy: oh, are you using etch? |
| 01:19.57 | CoolGuy | etch? |
| 01:20.14 | asg | CoolGuy: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 01:20.39 | CoolGuy | testing/unstable |
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| 01:21.03 | asg | CoolGuy: then you are running etch (testing) or sid (unstable) |
| 01:21.23 | asg | CoolGuy: what does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' print? |
| 01:21.23 | CoolGuy | Oh, I didn't know, it came bundled with my PC. |
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| 01:21.49 | CoolGuy | ii libc6 2.3.6-3 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data |
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| 01:22.46 | asg | !info libc6 etch |
| 01:22.49 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.5-13 (etch), Packaged size: 4911 kB, Installed size: 16728 kB |
| 01:23.13 | asg | CoolGuy: then you are running sid (unstable). You need to check the bug tracking system (/msg dpkg bts) |
| 01:23.17 | ytan | !info whois etch |
| 01:23.24 | dpkg | whois: (the GNU whois client), section net, is standard. Version: 4.7.12 (etch), Packaged size: 45 kB, Installed size: 256 kB |
| 01:23.46 | CoolGuy | It came bundled with my new pc |
| 01:24.14 | thingfish | :) |
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| 01:24.55 | gravity | wow |
| 01:25.01 | whatswithhumans | hello i am new to debian and linux systems in general does anyone know how to set up the video with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 command? the computer i am running it on has intel 810 integrated graphics but i can not get the debian graphical interface to work it keeps on giving me an error mesage... |
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| 01:26.28 | asg | CoolGuy: well, you could try ##linspire or their website, since they should have support |
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| 01:31.56 | whatswithhumans | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:32.27 | gravity | whatswithhumans: Can you post your /var/log/XFree86.0.log in a paster? |
| 01:32.33 | gravity | Or anywhere that we can see it? |
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| 01:32.51 | asg | whatswithhumans: try using 'vesa' as the driver type |
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| 01:33.04 | whatswithhumans | hmmm its running on another computer... |
| 01:33.28 | whatswithhumans | i ahve already tried vesa |
| 01:33.38 | asg | whatswithhumans: did you try i810 also? |
| 01:33.57 | gravity | whatswithhumans: If you can't post the log, can you at least look at it and try and find out what's going on? It's very informative. |
| 01:34.05 | whatswithhumans | there is an option for i810 and i have set it to that but it will not work are there any other options i need to change? |
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| 01:34.17 | gravity | whatswithhumans: Without the log it's hard to say |
| 01:34.34 | whatswithhumans | i will try to get the log... one min... |
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| 01:36.07 | TraceGreen | hello, i mount my windows c partition, but only root can access, how should i set parameter that normal user can access too? |
| 01:36.16 | nzx | hey, how do i get my soundcard working? i have an intel high defintion sound card, its a vaio laptop |
| 01:36.37 | asg | nzx: /msg dpkg sound ; also, see tuxmobile.org for your model for other pointers |
| 01:36.54 | nzx | asg, thanks |
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| 01:37.51 | leri | tracegreen, add user option (-o user) |
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| 01:38.18 | insidius | Does anyone here know about DNS and pointing multiple domains to the one place? |
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| 01:38.37 | asg | insidius: try #dns first |
| 01:38.38 | drusscol | TraceGreen: if there's only one user you want to access it, you can also change it to have that user own it instead of root (-o uid=username) |
| 01:38.49 | insidius | #dns |
| 01:38.58 | asg | insidius: /join #dns |
| 01:38.59 | insidius | lol |
| 01:39.36 | whatswithhumans | it says no such file or directory |
| 01:39.57 | TraceGreen | leri, drusscol thanks. i know. |
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| 01:45.40 | gahan | can I disable "<default pointer>" somehow in xorg.conf? I think it overrides my touchpad settings :) |
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| 01:48.42 | nzx | how do i make the menu pop up when i press the win key? |
| 01:49.19 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 01:49.19 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
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| 01:51.22 | MyWay | Hi, where can i download Debian for x64? |
| 01:51.38 | TraceGreen | hello, i have .hello.swp, how can restore hello file? |
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| 01:52.18 | asg | TraceGreen: vi -r hello |
| 01:52.40 | abrotman | !tell MyWay about amd64 |
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| 01:56.57 | jnut | does anyone have a link to a guide for a newbie to update kde from 3.2 to 3.5 on sarge? |
| 01:57.11 | abrotman | ask #debian-kde |
| 01:57.16 | jnut | ah thakns |
| 01:57.33 | PerfDave | Sarge has KDE 3.3, not 3.2 |
| 01:57.42 | abrotman | i figured it was a miskey |
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| 01:58.15 | jnut | oops my mistake |
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| 01:58.24 | jnut | thanks for the heads up guys |
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| 02:03.57 | nicolas__ | hi there, ive been having a big weird problem since a couple of weeks, as soon as i upgraded from sarge to etch, any remote ssh connection that timeouts totally crashes the whole system (server-side), ive tried getting the sshd from sarge, from sid, tryed a generic 2.6.15 a home-made one, also tried 2.6.14, still having that same problem... does anyone has a clue ? |
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| 02:04.14 | JackInTheBox | hello there.... |
| 02:04.23 | JackInTheBox | can i ask something? |
| 02:04.29 | abrotman | just ask |
| 02:04.39 | abrotman | nicolas__: check the bts? |
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| 02:05.07 | nicolas__ | abrotman: nothing concerning this trouble |
| 02:05.17 | JackInTheBox | how do u reconfigure the all the hardware in debian? |
| 02:05.24 | abrotman | !u |
| 02:05.24 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 02:05.45 | abrotman | nicolas__: it might be a bug in something else |
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| 02:05.54 | JackInTheBox | coz i cant start X-server, coz it said that the video card is not setup properly |
| 02:06.02 | nicolas__ | abrotman: do you have an idea on what ? except sshd and the kernel ? |
| 02:06.07 | abrotman | !drxx JackInTheBox |
| 02:06.07 | dpkg | JackInTheBox: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 02:06.29 | nicolas__ | abrotman: im can also replicate the problem by using different clients |
| 02:06.35 | nicolas__ | such as putty and mindterm |
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| 02:07.19 | JackInTheBox | thnx ill try it |
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| 02:07.33 | abrotman | nicolas__: reverse dns lookups ? |
| 02:08.11 | nicolas__ | abrotman: how do i check this up? |
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| 02:08.23 | abrotman | nicolas__: make the logging more verbose? |
| 02:08.41 | eigenlambda | so i just installed the lete mingw32 package hoping to be able to write a virus for windows |
| 02:08.50 | eigenlambda | but i cant figure out how to cross-compile |
| 02:08.51 | asg | nicolas__: /msg dpkg debug sshd |
| 02:08.57 | abrotman | eigenlambda: we don't care .. wrong channel .. go away |
| 02:09.14 | eigenlambda | mmm |
| 02:09.15 | asg | nicolas__: combine that with strace(1) if the debug doesn't show anything interesting |
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| 02:09.27 | nicolas__ | ok |
| 02:09.29 | abrotman | eigenlambda: if it makes you feel better .. i can have umass throw you out for abusing the network ... |
| 02:09.33 | eigenlambda | the package has like 0 documentation |
| 02:09.35 | nicolas__ | ill crash again for the cause :P |
| 02:09.41 | eigenlambda | lol abusing the network |
| 02:09.48 | asg | eigenlambda: #efnet is your place for such things |
| 02:09.50 | abrotman | eigenlambda: IOW .. GO AWAY |
| 02:10.00 | asg | s/#// |
| 02:10.07 | eigenlambda | actually, i was hoping to make a windows version of my tetris program, but whatever |
| 02:10.12 | abrotman | GO AWAY |
| 02:10.22 | eigenlambda | *giggle* |
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| 02:10.44 | lzhang | hello, I'm trying to build a package of zaptel, and I'm following the new maintainer's guidelines, but the dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot keeps failing on this: install: cannot create regular file `/root/centripitel_src/zaptel-1.2.4/debian/tmp/etc/udev/rules.d/zaptel.rules': No such file or directory |
| 02:11.08 | asg | abrotman: the umass crazies only come out when it's snowing; something in the water? |
| 02:11.19 | nicolas__ | what is umass? |
| 02:11.23 | abrotman | asg: brain freeze |
| 02:11.31 | abrotman | nicolas__: University of Massachusetts? |
| 02:11.35 | nicolas__ | oh |
| 02:11.37 | asg | nicolas__: University of Massachusetts |
| 02:12.01 | asg | abrotman: do they sell slurpys in winter? |
| 02:12.13 | abrotman | asg: they do .. it's kind of sick |
| 02:12.26 | asg | abrotman: hmmm, odd. |
| 02:13.27 | abrotman | asg: this is like people having coffee when it's 100F outside |
| 02:13.54 | asg | abrotman: well, coffee can be enjoyed cold or iced. |
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| 02:14.02 | curt | I drink coffee in our greenhouses in the summer (120+) |
| 02:14.42 | abrotman | asg: ever had a hot slurpee? |
| 02:14.54 | wireddd | yes they are delicious |
| 02:15.05 | asg | abrotman: yes |
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| 02:15.15 | abrotman | damn you all .. that was the perfect setup for a sick joke! |
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| 02:15.46 | asg | abrotman: not the one about the marmot and the tinfoil I hope? |
| 02:15.47 | nzx | hey, what are the x11 development packages called? |
| 02:15.50 | curt | I slurp hotties all the time? like that... |
| 02:15.51 | abrotman | asg: nah |
| 02:15.55 | asg | nzx: xlibs-dev usually |
| 02:16.00 | abrotman | nzx: sarge/etch/sid ? |
| 02:16.07 | nzx | etch |
| 02:16.10 | nzx | testing |
| 02:16.30 | nicolas__ | it that normal that in ssh debug bug i cant login ? |
| 02:16.34 | abrotman | yeah . xlibs-dev |
| 02:16.38 | nicolas__ | ssh -p 2222 nicolas@66.130.209.204 |
| 02:16.40 | nicolas__ | then nothing |
| 02:16.49 | asg | nicolas__: check the logs on the server side |
| 02:16.49 | abrotman | gravity: will there be a new package name eventually? |
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| 02:17.39 | nzx | i cant find xlibs-dev :( |
| 02:17.55 | nzx | nzxlaptop:/usr/src/allegro/allegro-4.2.0# apt-cache search xlibs-dev |
| 02:17.55 | nzx | nzxlaptop:/usr/src/allegro/allegro-4.2.0# |
| 02:18.06 | gravity | xlibs-dev is dead |
| 02:18.07 | gravity | I killed it |
| 02:18.14 | abrotman | i still have a metapackage .. it hink |
| 02:18.25 | abrotman | oh . nm |
| 02:18.27 | asg | gravity: is it x-dev? |
| 02:18.27 | abrotman | it's from sarge |
| 02:18.31 | nicolas__ | asg: no logging activity when trying to log in |
| 02:18.41 | asg | gravity: or xlibs-static-{dev,pic} |
| 02:19.01 | nicolas__ | ok, seems i cant use my network ip in localmode |
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| 02:19.27 | gravity | x-dev will be dead also, iirc |
| 02:19.40 | gravity | xlibs-static-* will also be dead as of 7.0 |
| 02:19.45 | gravity | All this crap is being swept away |
| 02:19.52 | abrotman | gravity: STOP CHANGING THINGS |
| 02:20.00 | nzx | so, how do i install it, lol |
| 02:20.12 | nzx | i found x-dev |
| 02:20.22 | asg | abrotman: he's allowed to, it's unstable after all. |
| 02:20.22 | gravity | nzx: Try libx11-dev |
| 02:20.31 | gravity | nzx: You may need others, but see what they are first |
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| 02:20.42 | abrotman | gravity: i can't remember all the things you change! |
| 02:20.43 | gravity | I'm putting a metapackage for all the dev stuff back with 7.0 |
| 02:20.54 | gravity | abrotman: Most of it is going to simplify things a lot |
| 02:21.04 | gravity | There'll be one main metapackage, and it'll be xorg |
| 02:21.08 | nzx | grandma, thanks |
| 02:21.09 | gravity | None of this x-window-system crap |
| 02:21.31 | gravity | s/There'll be/There is/ |
| 02:21.58 | asg | o/~ Grandma, welcome to the chair o/~ |
| 02:23.10 | nicolas__ | to do it bad, i guess it wont crash in debug mode |
| 02:24.14 | nicolas__ | s/guess/bet |
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| 02:25.12 | abrotman | gravity: can you make a javascript scrolling thingie in your website that displays all the changes? :) |
| 02:25.19 | Qiang | hi, when apt-get upgrade using sudo, i am getting a lot of error like "/var/lib/dpkg/info/tar.postinst: line 4: install-info: command not found". i have checked and install-info is in my path. |
| 02:25.42 | gravity | heh |
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| 02:27.04 | asg | Qiang: is install-info in root's path? |
| 02:27.26 | Qiang | asg: yes. in my path at /usr/sbin/ |
| 02:27.52 | asg | Qiang: does 'apt-get upgrade' work as root if you su or login as root? |
| 02:27.59 | Qiang | asg: yes. |
| 02:28.08 | asg | Qiang: does 'sudo -H apt-get upgrade' work? |
| 02:28.49 | LinuxNIT | whats the command syntax to add a scpit to run at boot? (i know man update-rc.d but i dont get it) |
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| 02:29.00 | asg | LinuxNIT: try rcconf |
| 02:29.01 | Qiang | asg: no. |
| 02:29.14 | LinuxNIT | k |
| 02:29.14 | LinuxNIT | thanks |
| 02:29.18 | LinuxNIT | ? |
| 02:29.18 | nicolas__ | LinuxNIT: you need to build the from skeleton |
| 02:29.25 | nicolas__ | then update-rc.d |
| 02:29.26 | Qiang | asg: i got same error saying command not found |
| 02:29.27 | Nopalin | LinuxNIT: update-rc.d package defaults |
| 02:29.31 | satans_ny | i want to change charset to utf-8. not change keymap. possible? |
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| 02:30.09 | LinuxNIT | its not a package its a script i wrote |
| 02:30.21 | ecliptik | I just installed debian, but the terminal comes up in in a framebuffer, I just want straight text, which package do I reconfig? |
| 02:30.31 | nicolas__ | LinuxNIT: /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 02:30.35 | Qiang | asg: i added 'echo $PATH' in the postinst script which failed on me, the path it printed out looks fine. /usr/sbin/ is in the path. |
| 02:30.38 | nicolas__ | then save it under another name |
| 02:30.42 | asg | Qiang: odd. |
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| 02:30.51 | asg | Qiang: has this just started occuring? |
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| 02:31.17 | Qiang | asg: yes. i noticed this two days ago. this is debian stable |
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| 02:32.12 | LinuxNIT | nicolas__, im confused. sorry i havent done this before. what do i do with >>> /etc/init.d/skeleton ? |
| 02:32.24 | nicolas__ | LinuxNIT: modify it to run your script |
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| 02:32.47 | Stevie | LinuxNIT: You put it in ~/.closet/ |
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| 02:32.52 | nicolas__ | LinuxNIT: the skeleton is the file that make the bootup says: "Starting someones something: thing." |
| 02:32.53 | pepo | somebody with a compaq presario v 2000? |
| 02:32.54 | LinuxNIT | lol |
| 02:33.15 | LinuxNIT | hmmm ok |
| 02:33.15 | resista | What does this mean: ioctl: "LOOP_SET_FD: Invalid argument" |
| 02:33.19 | resista | ? |
| 02:33.30 | asg | resista: in what context? |
| 02:33.36 | Stevie | mount -o loop, I bet |
| 02:33.42 | nicolas__ | LinuxNIT: its a script running your script |
| 02:33.55 | resista | sorry... when i try to load a cd with win4linux's loadwinproCD |
| 02:34.02 | nicolas__ | LinuxNIT: make sure it works well before update-rc.d skeletonthing defaults |
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| 02:34.22 | LinuxNIT | nicolas__, so i can just add a line like ./etc/fooo.sh? |
| 02:34.36 | LinuxNIT | i dont wanna screw up the system files |
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| 02:34.42 | Geren | anyone familiar with SAP? |
| 02:34.56 | asg | Geren: #treehuggers |
| 02:35.03 | nicolas__ | LinuxNIT: your not screwing up anything, its a skeleton file made to work with |
| 02:35.09 | Geren | ? |
| 02:35.12 | Stevie | you copy the file to a new file, linuxnit |
| 02:35.22 | Stevie | e.g. |
| 02:35.32 | resista | asg: sorry... when i try to load a cd with win4linux's loadwinproCD |
| 02:35.33 | Stevie | cp /etc/init.d/skeleton /etc/init.d/linuxnits-awesome-init-script |
| 02:35.33 | nicolas__ | LinuxNIT: you can just add your script execution line, but by seeing the content of skeleton you will like to modify some settings |
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| 02:35.58 | LinuxNIT | k ill try it |
| 02:36.05 | asg | resista: I'm not familiar with that. Isn't win4lin a commercial product? |
| 02:36.09 | ecliptik | how do I turn the framebuffer off on the console? |
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| 02:36.20 | resista | asg, yes |
| 02:36.21 | asg | ecliptik: boot with vga=normal |
| 02:36.33 | ecliptik | asg, is that in grub or lilo? |
| 02:36.44 | nicolas__ | ecliptik: the one your using :P |
| 02:36.45 | nicolas__ | of course |
| 02:36.45 | asg | resista: you might try their support forums first to see if someone there has seen a similar error. |
| 02:36.46 | nightz_ | hi i have one english keyboard, but im brazilian, i do use "acents" like press ' and e give me a diff "e" ...how i can change my keyboard to use that "style"? it is 105 keyboard intl right now |
| 02:36.51 | LinuxNIT | thanks |
| 02:36.52 | resista | asg, but i dont think the error is related to the program |
| 02:36.53 | asg | ecliptik: either |
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| 02:37.10 | resista | asg, btw, i didnt exactly buy it... |
| 02:38.00 | nicolas__ | well, my sshd isnt crashing my computer in debug mode :( |
| 02:38.03 | ecliptik | asg nicolas, do you happen to know where it is for grub? I don't see it in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 02:38.16 | abrotman | resista: ask them |
| 02:38.17 | asg | ecliptik: just stick it at the end of the 'kernel' line |
| 02:40.30 | asg | resista: if '/sbin/modprobe loop' works as root, then their program is probably trying to do something to a specific redhat version that may or may not exist anymore. You could always use 'strace -o trace <program and arguments>' and see if the 'trace' file shows anything out of the ordinary. |
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| 02:41.12 | ecliptik | asg, that didn't work, the console is normal text when it boots, but right when it hits init3 is goes over to an fb |
| 02:41.31 | Geren | whats the worst linux distro |
| 02:41.38 | asg | ecliptik: if it's debian, it shouldn't be going to runlevel 3 |
| 02:42.04 | CLucas916 | when i type apt-get install gnome i get this error: The following packages have unmet dependencies. |
| 02:42.04 | CLucas916 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:42.04 | CLucas916 | E: Broken packages |
| 02:42.04 | ecliptik | asg, or whatever it does when it starts loading userland |
| 02:42.08 | Stevie | for fun and excitement, set default runlevel to 6 |
| 02:42.20 | abrotman | !install gnome |
| 02:42.20 | dpkg | To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 02:42.33 | asg | Geren: Corel Linux 1.0 |
| 02:42.43 | Geren | asg, whats that |
| 02:42.50 | satans_ny | CLucas916: tried apt-get -f install? |
| 02:42.54 | abrotman | asg: you forgot Caldera |
| 02:43.13 | CLucas916 | satans_ny: whats that gonna do? |
| 02:43.13 | asg | abrotman: at least Caldera was usable, unlike Corel. |
| 02:43.28 | abrotman | caldera wasn't horrible |
| 02:43.35 | abrotman | CLucas916: nothing |
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| 02:43.50 | Geren | is it worse than windows? |
| 02:43.51 | abrotman | CLucas916: you're using Sid .. welcome to unstable .. shit is broken |
| 02:43.56 | CLucas916 | ah |
| 02:44.00 | asg | Geren: which version of Windows? |
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| 02:44.06 | Geren | xp |
| 02:44.15 | asg | abrotman: and even when shit isn't broken, some of the software is |
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| 02:44.31 | asg | Geren: pro or the neutered homey version? |
| 02:44.36 | abrotman | apparently gnome-desktop-environtment is uninstallable because gnomemeeting can't be installed |
| 02:44.50 | asg | abrotman: merry meets |
| 02:44.56 | Geren | asg pro |
| 02:45.09 | abrotman | iirc .. corel was gnome 1.2 .. and a whole host of other stuff .. but based on debian .. |
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| 02:45.20 | abrotman | been a very long time though |
| 02:45.28 | nicolas__ | seems like the sshd debug mode is useless.. since it cant reproduce the bug |
| 02:45.51 | nicolas__ | i just cant believe whats happening |
| 02:45.55 | abrotman | nicolas__: you could run sshd manually .. and strace it |
| 02:46.05 | nicolas__ | abrotman: ok |
| 02:46.09 | CLucas916 | abrotman: so i changed my sources to etch and i did apt-get dist-upgrade and nothing happened |
| 02:46.13 | IHateLinux | hi |
| 02:46.21 | abrotman | CLucas916: no kidding .. you're using unstable now |
| 02:46.27 | abrotman | IHateLinux: go away |
| 02:46.30 | asg | IHateLinux: try a BSD |
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| 02:46.48 | CLucas916 | abrotman: i cant downgrade? |
| 02:46.51 | Ronin | wow another day another loser? |
| 02:46.51 | abrotman | no |
| 02:46.56 | CLucas916 | shit ok |
| 02:47.03 | asg | Ronin: I know I am but I can't help it ;) |
| 02:47.04 | abrotman | Ronin: it's apparently collegiate fucktard night |
| 02:47.16 | Ronin | probibly too hard for them to install |
| 02:47.21 | asg | abrotman: wait, isn't it dollar beer tuesday in philly? |
| 02:47.27 | abrotman | asg: thursday :) |
| 02:47.28 | Ronin | i mean it is more then put in the cd and reboot |
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| 02:47.38 | asg | abrotman: ah, T42 |
| 02:48.10 | Ronin | *yawn* boring |
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| 02:48.17 | abrotman | /nick columbia Uni is full of morons |
| 02:48.29 | pitbull_ | colon-bia |
| 02:48.34 | nicolas__ | how come someone can be so dumb |
| 02:48.37 | Ronin | abrotman: they have to, cant even get good trolls to go there |
| 02:48.43 | abrotman | gravity: still around? |
| 02:48.57 | nicolas__ | it that a cause of the inferiority complex made by the misunderstanding of linux |
| 02:49.10 | Ronin | nicolas__: to deep,they're just slow |
| 02:49.29 | asg | nicolas__: no, inferior trolling |
| 02:49.30 | nicolas__ | hrm, interesting |
| 02:49.40 | Ronin | the old term was stupid/retarded but im working on being politically correct this week |
| 02:50.01 | asg | Ronin: nah, fucktard works just nicely. Or sopey titwank |
| 02:50.05 | gravity | abrotman: Yeah |
| 02:50.16 | Ronin | asg: fucktard does seem to cover it nicely |
| 02:50.17 | abrotman | gravity: can you kickban i=Geren@dyn-bway-129-167.dyn.columbia.edu please |
| 02:50.18 | jetscreamer | what a waste of time |
| 02:50.39 | abrotman | gravity: sorry .. you were the last one i saw :) |
| 02:50.41 | jetscreamer | the troll i mean |
| 02:50.50 | Ronin | gravity: naw, take all of *.dyn.columbia.edu, course they just get a different proxy then |
| 02:50.52 | jetscreamer | hey troll no life eh |
| 02:50.55 | jetscreamer | tsk |
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| 02:51.07 | quiet | what is the dpkg switch to remove a package? |
| 02:51.12 | asg | jetscreamer: what if it's got a pointed stick? |
| 02:51.14 | jetscreamer | -r |
| 02:51.14 | abrotman | !beer gravity |
| 02:51.18 | abrotman | gravity: thank you |
| 02:51.23 | asg | quiet: dpkg -P (to purge configs also) |
| 02:51.23 | gravity | He may come back. That was just a kick. |
| 02:51.31 | Ronin | gravity: im sure he will |
| 02:51.42 | Ronin | time for this old fart to get to bed in any case |
| 02:51.44 | pitbull_ | if he figure out how to do it in mIRC... |
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| 02:51.55 | quiet | asg: hrm... okay.. how do i get a list of installed packages?? cause it says limewire isn;t installed |
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| 02:52.10 | asg | quiet: dpkg -l | egrep ^[hi]i |
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| 02:52.14 | quiet | ah.. .thanks |
| 02:52.27 | illsci | how do you install man pages? I have a man page from a 3rd party vendor and I want to have it in my manpath and i put in /usr/share/man/man8/ and man doesnt find it |
| 02:52.32 | abrotman | !beer gravity |
| 02:52.35 | illsci | how do you add man pages to the system ? |
| 02:52.42 | abrotman | gravity: if he gets a new IP .. you'll be drunk! |
| 02:52.48 | gravity | heh |
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| 02:53.05 | asg | illsci: better to put 3rd party manpages in /usr/local/man/man8 in this case |
| 02:53.25 | jetscreamer | him say him do |
| 02:53.28 | illsci | well ill put it anywhere I just want to be able to type man tw_cli and have it work |
| 02:53.30 | quiet | grr.. okay, limewire is saying it can't find java in my path.. i have built and installed the latest jre 1.5 from Sun with java-package |
| 02:53.30 | jetscreamer | him say no workee |
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| 02:53.37 | illsci | how do I get man to see it? |
| 02:53.43 | asg | illsci: what is the name of the file? |
| 02:53.50 | LinuxNIT | nicolas__, thanks it worked :) sorry for being so confused |
| 02:53.58 | illsci | tw_cli.8.nroff.gz |
| 02:54.16 | nicolas__ | LinuxNIT: nothing |
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| 02:54.26 | LinuxNIT | :) |
| 02:54.34 | jetscreamer | nothing records++ |
| 02:54.41 | asg | illsci: try renaming it to tw_cli.8.gz and sticking it in /usr/local/man/man8 |
| 02:54.47 | quiet | jetscreamer: :D |
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| 02:55.18 | wooswpa | i cannot login to kdm as non-root but can do so in command-line mode. what could be the problem? |
| 02:55.31 | quiet | wooswpa: kdm is set to not allow root logins? |
| 02:55.34 | jetscreamer | quiet: i did the same, cept it wasnt for limewire... must either be your path or limewire |
| 02:56.04 | illsci | it works! |
| 02:56.07 | illsci | thanks dood |
| 02:56.16 | asg | illsci: you're welcome |
| 02:56.23 | jetscreamer | quiet: root's path is better than $UESR's ... also gdm and whatnot have a tendency to set the path also |
| 02:56.27 | quiet | limewire looks at /usr/lib/ /usr/java/ and /opt/ for java.. i don't know where java-package puts it |
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| 02:56.40 | jetscreamer | !locate |
| 02:56.45 | abrotman | !search |
| 02:56.45 | dpkg | it has been said that search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>, or apt-cache search <search ... |
| 02:57.04 | wooswpa | quiet, that can be changed. my problem is that i can login as root but not non-root. |
| 02:57.22 | quiet | yeah.. it says this though: |
| 02:57.22 | jetscreamer | /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/bin |
| 02:57.23 | quiet | Starting LimeWire... |
| 02:57.23 | quiet | Java exec found in PATH. Verifying... |
| 02:57.27 | quiet | OOPS, you don't seem to have a valid JRE. LimeWire works best with Sun JRE available at http://www.java.com |
| 02:57.35 | asg | quiet: /msg dpkg java-package |
| 02:57.42 | quiet | i already built that |
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| 02:57.47 | quiet | i said that |
| 02:57.54 | jetscreamer | quiet: might want 1.4 or whatever you 'don't' have |
| 02:58.12 | quiet | :\ |
| 02:58.38 | jetscreamer | no idea though |
| 02:58.46 | quiet | okay, thanks |
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| 02:59.02 | chealer9 | wooswpa: why can't you? |
| 02:59.27 | abrotman | quiet: isn't limewire a gnutella client ? |
| 02:59.28 | wooswpa | chealer9, that's what i am trying to find out, smartie. |
| 02:59.34 | quiet | abrotman: it is. |
| 02:59.37 | abrotman | ffs |
| 02:59.40 | abrotman | use gtk-gnutella |
| 02:59.54 | quiet | yeah.. i'll probably just end up using gift if i can't get this to work. |
| 03:00.05 | chealer9 | wooswpa: enter a username, hit enter, enter a password, hit enter, and see what happens |
| 03:00.10 | quiet | limewire is just usually the fastest/easiest route... apparently not this time though :\ |
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| 03:00.35 | nicolas__ | this is about TCPKeepAlice option in sshd_config: If they are sent, death of the connection or crash of one of the machines will be properly noticed. |
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| 03:00.42 | nicolas__ | is this what happening to me ? |
| 03:00.45 | abrotman | quiet: apt-get install gtk-gnutella .. problem solved :) |
| 03:00.46 | wooswpa | chealer9, it returns to the kdm login screen. |
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| 03:00.50 | nicolas__ | total crash of server when client timeouts |
| 03:00.59 | chealer9 | wooswpa: after what? |
| 03:01.11 | abrotman | nicolas__: you found it? |
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| 03:01.25 | wooswpa | chealer9, stays there. if i login again, the same thing happen. |
| 03:01.45 | nicolas__ | abrotman: well, i dont know really |
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| 03:02.07 | chealer9 | wooswpa: so there is no message? after you hit enter to confirm the password, it immediately asks for a new username? |
| 03:02.13 | nicolas__ | i dont have this option set in sshd_config, just KeepAlive |
| 03:02.20 | nicolas__ | which ill turn to no |
| 03:02.27 | illsci | hey |
| 03:02.36 | illsci | is there anyone in here from MD or Washington DC? |
| 03:02.45 | asg | illsci: is NC close enough? |
| 03:02.58 | illsci | would you move if you could get a job making 90k or so? |
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| 03:03.13 | raha | Hi, I have problems starting fluxbox, I get these kind of error messages: ThemeItem<Font>: Warning! Failed to load default value 'fixed' |
| 03:03.13 | illsci | we need people for this project in DC |
| 03:03.31 | illsci | and the guy i work with just quit so I need some linux admins... |
| 03:03.36 | abrotman | illsci: can i wear an umbrella hat? |
| 03:03.37 | asg | illsci: it would depend on cost of living |
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| 03:03.47 | thingfish | hehe abrotman |
| 03:03.58 | illsci | DC is expensive but you can live in maryland or va... |
| 03:04.04 | chealer9 | illsci: if you don't have a question about Debian, you're asking at the wrong place |
| 03:04.05 | abrotman | illsci: is it really in DC? |
| 03:04.11 | wooswpa | chealer9, after i hit 'enter' to confirm password, the login screen disappears, and x-window (one with coarse grains) screen appears and then the login screen re-appears. |
| 03:04.24 | abrotman | chealer9: unless i'm mistaken . he's looking for a debian admin |
| 03:04.42 | abrotman | chealer9: illsci hasn't been here in a while .. but used to be here a lot |
| 03:04.53 | raha | Anyone know what the error message: ThemeItem<Font>: Warning! Failed to load default value 'fixed' could mean??? |
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| 03:05.36 | nicolas__ | raha: you dont have the fixed fonts |
| 03:05.45 | abrotman | xfonts-base is yummy |
| 03:05.48 | illsci | yeah its in washington DC and in Boyers PA |
| 03:05.57 | illsci | the place in Boyers PA is called Iron Mt |
| 03:06.13 | abrotman | illsci: wtf is boyers PA ? |
| 03:06.31 | raha | nicolas__: the fixed fonts, what package would that be? |
| 03:06.36 | sandman | How to have gvim save my settings for a file I'm working on? |
| 03:06.43 | sandman | Every time I open the file, I have to re-setup everything. |
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| 03:06.52 | illsci | its some place in PA |
| 03:06.53 | abrotman | illsci: pittsburgh? .. ask nvz :) |
| 03:06.58 | chealer9 | wooswpa: would X be crashing? |
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| 03:07.24 | abrotman | illsci: oh wait .. that's way way north of pittsburgh |
| 03:07.24 | chealer9 | abrotman: would you really trust nvz? :) |
| 03:07.34 | abrotman | chealer9: you dumbass . i meant for a job |
| 03:07.35 | wooswpa | chealer9, but i can login as root. |
| 03:07.40 | illsci | its in a mine.... |
| 03:07.41 | raha | nicolas__: I've installed every font-package there is to install... so I don't know what else I can do. |
| 03:07.48 | kspath_ | only group I have heard of in D.C. is that large criminal organization |
| 03:08.05 | illsci | :) |
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| 03:08.55 | chealer9 | wooswpa: it might be that something crashes X for users, but not for root. I don't see a specific explanation, but it can be |
| 03:09.08 | phobo | I have software RAID 1 with dev/sda, dev/sdb and are testing it before going into production. I have taken out the second disk, and replaced it with another of same physical size, but it has random old partitions and files on it. What is the suggested way to bring it up and mirror it from the first disk? The RAID disk has 5 partitions on it, to create /dev/md0, md1,md2,md4,md5 |
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| 03:10.23 | abrotman | illsci: where have you been hiding? |
| 03:10.34 | illsci | oftc.net |
| 03:10.37 | abrotman | ah |
| 03:10.53 | abrotman | better than efnet i suppose :) |
| 03:10.53 | illsci | and work..... its insane |
| 03:11.01 | abrotman | illsci: and now your admin quit! |
| 03:11.02 | illsci | hey when people ask me where i went to school |
| 03:11.06 | illsci | i tell them efnet.edu |
| 03:11.11 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 03:11.31 | illsci | well one was fired... was is quiting to take another job with dhs |
| 03:11.49 | illsci | and the security engineer got fired.... so i am doing everything |
| 03:12.01 | JayR168 | hello |
| 03:12.05 | JayR168 | im on knoppix |
| 03:12.08 | chealer9 | illsci: what do you mean, you're only on OFTC's #debian, or on development channels? |
| 03:12.11 | Stevie | kspath_: you obviously missed the foil hat analysis done by that MIT guy |
| 03:12.11 | abrotman | illsci: right .. so you're asking someone to take a really crappy job? |
| 03:12.17 | JayR168 | is aLinux better than Debian? |
| 03:12.17 | abrotman | JayR168: #knoppix |
| 03:12.19 | Stevie | !knoppix |
| 03:12.19 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandriva is redhat. |
| 03:12.24 | illsci | its not a crappy job its a really cool job |
| 03:12.31 | chealer9 | JayR168: what's aLinux? |
| 03:12.33 | illsci | this project has like a 100 million dollar budget |
| 03:12.41 | kspath_ | Stevie: MIT? |
| 03:12.51 | Stevie | some guy at MIT analyzed the effects of foil hats on radio signals |
| 03:12.52 | kspath_ | illsci: designing umbrella hats? |
| 03:12.57 | JayR168 | never hear of a Linux? |
| 03:12.59 | Stevie | you're gonna love this |
| 03:13.04 | illsci | i just redesigned the system and i got 11 foundry rx-4's 11 foundry server iron 450's |
| 03:13.07 | abrotman | illsci: but everyone quit! |
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| 03:13.10 | Stevie | Foil hats block almost all radio signals EXCEPT |
| 03:13.12 | illsci | 11 isg-2000's |
| 03:13.14 | chealer9 | JayR168: a Linux, or aLinux? |
| 03:13.18 | illsci | those are netscreen firewalls |
| 03:13.24 | Stevie | a range of frequencies reserved by the FCC for governmental use |
| 03:13.40 | dondelelcaro | illsci: if you are looking for people to work, post to debian-jobs or find a consultant on the consultants list. |
| 03:13.43 | illsci | no hes leaving for the dhs job because hell get a ts/sci clearance |
| 03:13.49 | dondelelcaro | illsci: this channel is for support, not for job searches. |
| 03:13.52 | JayR168 | aLinux |
| 03:13.54 | kspath_ | Steve: Well really the tin foil hat thing is only a joke anyway. |
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| 03:13.58 | illsci | i know i just figured id ask |
| 03:14.00 | illsci | no harm |
| 03:14.02 | JayR168 | its a windows xp like likux distro |
| 03:14.03 | Stevie | kspath_: Lemme find the URL :) |
| 03:14.06 | JayR168 | try to goolge |
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| 03:14.12 | gravity | JayR168: You should ask in #linux |
| 03:14.18 | wooswpa | another problem. during boot-up, there are many "modprobe: WARNING: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist...". what is the reason for these? |
| 03:14.18 | gravity | Or something similar |
| 03:14.19 | raha | if this channel is for support, could anyone help me get fluxbox running again? =) |
| 03:14.23 | Posh | can anyone help a n00b understand mail on linux, ive been running IIS smptp service on win2k3 for a while, what is the equivalent for IIS/smtp on linux? |
| 03:14.39 | raha | I've been searching around at quite a few forums and googling. |
| 03:14.40 | kspath_ | Steve: if someone wanted to do something to you there are like a million ways. It is just a vague reference to paranoia. |
| 03:14.42 | dondelelcaro | Posh: exim4, postfix, sendmail, ... the list goes on. |
| 03:14.43 | raha | But can't find any help. |
| 03:14.53 | dondelelcaro | raha: restate your problem as completely as possible |
| 03:14.54 | asg | raha: /msg dpkg mail tutorial (for a start) |
| 03:14.56 | chealer9 | JayR168: we're not here to compare distros to Debian, but it's unlikely that most people here would prefer aLinux. try it |
| 03:15.08 | kspath_ | Stevie: I have no need of such a URL but thank you. |
| 03:15.38 | JayR168 | debian sarge cant detect my SATA drive |
| 03:15.42 | raha | dondelelcaro: My problem is that when ever I try to run fluxbox I get these kind of warnings ThemeItem<Font>: Warning! Failed to load default value 'fixed' and fluxbox aborts. |
| 03:15.45 | kspath_ | Stevie: I am not too worried about radio waves. If I was I would be in a MUCH deeper bunker. |
| 03:15.50 | JayR168 | how to work around for this> |
| 03:15.50 | dondelelcaro | JayR168: are you using install26? Have you tried the etch installer? |
| 03:15.58 | dondelelcaro | raha: sounds like you need to install xfonts-base |
| 03:16.02 | Posh | dondelelcaro is sendmail an actual smtp server, Iv'e ben reading alot of stuff about its setup and it seems like its used for relaying? not recieving messages, to be viewed with a pop3 client? |
| 03:16.04 | JayR168 | i use apt-get |
| 03:16.31 | Stevie | sendmail's great at relaying |
| 03:16.33 | dondelelcaro | Posh: oh, you just want to send mail? |
| 03:16.46 | dondelelcaro | Posh: use nullmailer or its equivalent if you're not receiving mail. |
| 03:16.48 | raha | dondelelcaro: I've installed every font package and they're all configured in xorg.conf to right path. |
| 03:17.23 | Posh | I have apache running on this box, and i want to set it up so users can send mail to me@mydomain.com and i can login with outlook and view it, and send mail back from me@mydomain.com to them@theredomain.com |
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| 03:17.50 | Posh | so sendmail IS an smtp server? |
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| 03:17.56 | Kelsey23 | yes |
| 03:17.59 | Kelsey23 | it is |
| 03:17.59 | abrotman | JayR168: please go to #knoppix |
| 03:18.04 | Posh | the config makes me want to vomit ;o/ |
| 03:18.05 | abrotman | how did we lose the knoppix ban again? |
| 03:18.06 | Stevie | Isn't exim better? |
| 03:18.07 | dondelelcaro | Posh: then you want a full up mta like exim, and a pop server. |
| 03:18.18 | Kelsey23 | Posh you will like it better |
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| 03:18.49 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: thank you |
| 03:19.01 | wooswpa | no one knows anything about /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist WARNINGs? |
| 03:19.02 | stoned | dondelelcaro, after many hours of reading and searching, I have concluded that I have no idea how to accomplish this. so in /etc/sudoers, I have to enter this ' default:user timestamp_timescale -1 ' |
| 03:19.04 | Lingo | Debian won't read CD's. It gives no error messages, but it says that any CD is empty, no matter what's on it. |
| 03:19.05 | Posh | so sendmail listens on smtp port, collects mail and stores it locally, for a pop3 client to read? |
| 03:19.14 | Lingo | Why is this happening? |
| 03:19.21 | dondelelcaro | Posh: yes. |
| 03:19.25 | Posh | hmm okay |
| 03:19.28 | Stevie | Lingo: anything in dmesg? |
| 03:19.37 | Lingo | what's dmesg? |
| 03:19.41 | dondelelcaro | Posh: or exim, or postfix. I recommend not using sendmail unless you know exactly why you're using sendmail. |
| 03:19.41 | stoned | dondelelcaro, to effectively enable password remembering for always |
| 03:19.47 | Stevie | Lingo: it's a command |
| 03:19.51 | konfuzed | Lingo, prolly not being mouted propelry |
| 03:19.53 | dondelelcaro | stoned: what are you trying to do? not type in a password at all? |
| 03:20.00 | stoned | dondelelcaro, I can't figure out the syntax or whatever. |
| 03:20.18 | stoned | dondelelcaro, from before, when you told me to look up timestamp_timescale in sudoers manpage |
| 03:20.22 | Stevie | Lingo: try running it and see if anything looks good |
| 03:20.24 | Posh | another question, i am also pretty clueless how domains work with linux, hostname command returns debian for me, is there somewhere i should have mydomain.com set? |
| 03:20.25 | Stevie | or bad |
| 03:20.27 | Lingo | ok |
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| 03:20.32 | Lingo | thx bye |
| 03:20.36 | stoned | what syntax of it, so i need to enter in /etc/sudoers to make it always remember sudo password |
| 03:20.50 | Stevie | wtf |
| 03:20.55 | dondelelcaro | stoned: if you want it to always remember the sudo password, that's not what you do. |
| 03:21.03 | Stevie | stoned: I don't think there is any way to do that. |
| 03:21.05 | stoned | like all i got fro searching was this. Default:USERHERE timestamp_timescale -1 |
| 03:21.15 | stoned | but that doesn't work |
| 03:21.19 | stoned | dondelelcaro, well dude you told me |
| 03:21.27 | stew | if you are having trouble remembering the password, try more B complex vitamins |
| 03:21.36 | stoned | no man |
| 03:21.39 | Stevie | stew: haha |
| 03:21.39 | stew | stoned: are you looking for NOPASSWD? |
| 03:21.46 | Posh | with sendmail, do i define me@mydomain.com to be what other people see when i send mail TO them with sendmail? |
| 03:21.56 | stoned | im trying nto to type the password in ALL the time when using sudo. by default it only keeps the pass for 15 minutes, then you have to enter it again |
| 03:22.06 | Posh | i havent set mydomain.com anywhere in linux |
| 03:22.07 | stoned | i want ti to be more than 15, who said anything about ME not rememberin passwords |
| 03:22.18 | Stevie | Posh: did you completely gloss over the part where no less than TWO people mentioned 'exim'? |
| 03:22.55 | Posh | stevie: im not familliar with exim. i will look it up. im more or less curious about domains in linux all together. |
| 03:23.16 | dondelelcaro | stoned: it should be Defaults:youruser timestamp_timescale=-1; or similar. |
| 03:23.18 | konfuzed | Posh are you just doing your home mail box or do you have more than one person using that mail server? |
| 03:23.20 | stoned | to change the limit sudo keeps your password in memory before asking it again, is 15. its changed by timestamp_timescale according to the manpage. I cannot figure out for the life of me how to use the thing |
| 03:23.26 | stoned | ohh |
| 03:23.27 | Posh | other then pointing my domain to my IP in the name server, should i have set my domain anywhere else in linux ? |
| 03:23.27 | stoned | its = |
| 03:23.30 | dondelelcaro | stoned: but it sounds like you actually want NOPASSWD: not, timestamp_timescale |
| 03:23.37 | stoned | ok |
| 03:23.42 | stoned | nopass works too |
| 03:23.47 | stoned | lemme see |
| 03:24.32 | dondelelcaro | the difference being that timestamp_timescale asks you for the password after a reboot; NOPASSWD never does. |
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| 03:27.49 | asg | dondelelcaro: a good policy |
| 03:28.09 | unix_infidel | if i print a *.doc using lpr, will the formatting come out properly? |
| 03:28.14 | vinay | is there anyway to have debian install disk start with a 2.6.15? would i be able to do this with an unofficial etch or sid disc? |
| 03:28.52 | Posh | linux26? |
| 03:29.02 | vinay | wouldn't that do a 2.6.8 ? |
| 03:29.20 | Posh | ahh, sorry. im n00b status ;o0 |
| 03:29.22 | dondelelcaro | vinay: etch may be approaching 2.6.15; that'll definetly be a newer kernel at least. |
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| 03:30.00 | shadow98 | anybody on that can help me with setting up snort on debian? |
| 03:30.19 | unix_infidel | anyone for my simple lpr question? |
| 03:30.25 | asg | shadow98: you basically 'apt-get install snort' and answer some basic questions about your network topology |
| 03:30.27 | vinay | dondelelcaro: hmm, i wonder if sid would already be running 2.6.15 by default, experimentally |
| 03:30.46 | shadow98 | asg: what about setting up to log to mysql |
| 03:31.01 | asg | shadow98: then install 'snort-mysql' instead |
| 03:31.04 | Posh | konfuzed = ide like to have more then one account, so i can setup me@mydomain.com and for example mom@herdomain.com |
| 03:31.23 | shadow98 | asg: and that is it..why are the guides on the snort site so detailed |
| 03:31.28 | asg | shadow98: I'd suggest downloading BASE from sourceforge since ACID is old and not being worked on upstream. |
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| 03:31.48 | shadow98 | asg: do you have snort running on a debian box |
| 03:32.29 | asg | shadow98: yes |
| 03:32.31 | unix_infidel | if i print a *.doc using lpr, will the formatting come out properly? |
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| 03:33.02 | shadow98 | asg: so will snort-mysql install everything that i need including mysql? |
| 03:33.17 | unix_infidel | Stevie: microsoft office XP/2000/97 format. |
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| 03:33.28 | unix_infidel | hell even .odt |
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| 03:34.48 | atula | hi. I think it's a common issue. But I unplugged the internet from my comp for a sec. Now plugging the ethernet line in again... and it's not getting me on. I've tried ifupdown.... but it doesn't seem to be working. is there an easier way? |
| 03:34.50 | asg | shadow98: it is better to install mysql-server first. |
| 03:34.58 | atula | I tried ifplugd once |
| 03:35.00 | atula | .... |
| 03:35.21 | dondelelcaro | vinay: it's got 2.6.15, but there really is no default for sid... |
| 03:35.34 | dondelelcaro | vinay: if you're using sid, you should know which kernel you want to run, and you should be running it. |
| 03:35.44 | unix_infidel | i've got a unix server at school that if i SSH into i can use lpr to print remotely from this laptop. |
| 03:35.57 | unix_infidel | but most of the stuff i'm going to be printing is pdf and doc (office 2003) |
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| 03:36.06 | insidius | ifup eth0 as root "0=actual connection" |
| 03:36.11 | dondelelcaro | unix_infidel: it won't; save it as a ps, and print the ps. |
| 03:36.13 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 03:36.19 | unix_infidel | dondelelcaro: as a ps? |
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| 03:36.27 | vinay | dondelelcaro: my problem is that I cant find a debian, knoppix or ubuntu disc that can even get me a PROMPT on this brand new dell.... some googling says I need 2.6.15 out of the box to detect the onboard sata/ide combo chipset |
| 03:36.32 | atula | insidus: can't do it with sudo? |
| 03:36.33 | dondelelcaro | unix_infidel: yes. you can print doc files to ps. |
| 03:37.07 | unix_infidel | dondelelcaro: what is a ps? |
| 03:37.07 | shadow98 | asg: is there anything else comparable to snort for linux? |
| 03:37.07 | dondelelcaro | vinay: even the new etch nightlies won't detect it? |
| 03:37.07 | insidius | I would assume you coul atula |
| 03:37.07 | curt | doctops? |
| 03:37.08 | dondelelcaro | unix_infidel: postscript==PS. |
| 03:37.08 | konfuzed | unix_infidel, ps is an old unix printing format |
| 03:37.08 | HeyJoe | why is there no -r option with the mv command in debian |
| 03:37.09 | konfuzed | infidel |
| 03:37.11 | dondelelcaro | PS is not a unix printing format, and it's not old. |
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| 03:37.28 | dondelelcaro | HPGL is old. |
| 03:37.35 | dondelelcaro | (and that's not a unix printing format either) |
| 03:37.38 | vinay | dondelelcaro: haven't tried etch nightlies yet... I really need a livecd first, to resize the ntfs partition that came by default, before i install... by any chance, do debian install discs double as live cd's these days? |
| 03:37.38 | curt | still used |
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| 03:37.52 | atula | insidus: it says that eth0 is already configure... |
| 03:37.54 | atula | sigh |
| 03:37.54 | dondelelcaro | vinay: the etch nightly will resize the ntfs for you. |
| 03:38.04 | asg | shadow98: tcpdump, ethereal, and a loooootttt of time. If you are looking for commercial products, try Nitro Security's products or the snort appliances from Sourcefire, the company started by the guy who wrote Snort. |
| 03:38.12 | konfuzed | I was writing reports in SGML by hand before http: hit the scene and postscript was around then |
| 03:38.20 | konfuzed | i consider that old |
| 03:38.22 | unix_infidel | dondelelcaro: will i lose most of the formatting if i save it as ps? |
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| 03:38.27 | dondelelcaro | unix_infidel: no. |
| 03:38.27 | abrotman | atula: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 03:38.43 | dondelelcaro | unix_infidel: your printer (unless it's total garbage) prints PS (or the cut down subset, PCL) |
| 03:38.54 | konfuzed | unix_infidel, eps should also work |
| 03:38.59 | vinay | dondelelcaro: hmmm, without destroying the partition? |
| 03:39.08 | dondelelcaro | vinay: it didn't the couple times that I've done it. |
| 03:39.19 | konfuzed | admittedly i never paid attention to the difference between post-script and encapsulated-psot-script |
| 03:39.25 | frodo | hi.. i did apt-get install webmin, but i can't access webmin!! i get this when i go to https://192.168.1.101:10000 |
| 03:39.25 | frodo | Error - Access denied for 192.168.1.100 |
| 03:39.30 | vinay | dondelelcaro: do you use the default partitioning app, or do you drop to shell and use something else? |
| 03:39.31 | frodo | what can that be? |
| 03:39.40 | dondelelcaro | vinay: but since it uses the same tool that you'd use if you were resizing it using a live cd, it shouldn't matter. |
| 03:39.44 | unix_infidel | dondelelcaro: will i have to conver it to ps b/c openoffice doesnt do direct save to .ps |
| 03:39.49 | dondelelcaro | vinay: I like to drop to the shell, but the app has the same thing. |
| 03:39.55 | dondelelcaro | unix_infidel: sure it does. It prints to ps. |
| 03:39.57 | asg | frodo: try going to 'localhost:10000' |
| 03:40.04 | dondelelcaro | unix_infidel: use the print to file option... |
| 03:40.44 | atula | atula |
| 03:40.46 | atula | clear |
| 03:40.49 | HeyJoe | was trying to move everything in /ez/ezpub to ez. from ezpub i used the command ... mv -r ./* /ez/* i got a message that -r is invalid option but i cant find an option in debian to replace it |
| 03:40.59 | dondelelcaro | konfuzed: the major difference is the addition of a bounding box, and a few other things. EPS is really only appropriate for non-page based things, not driving an actual printer. |
| 03:40.59 | unix_infidel | dondelelcaro: that's it? |
| 03:41.03 | dondelelcaro | unix_infidel: yes. |
| 03:41.25 | vinay | dondelelcaro: okay.. i've never resized before, i normally wipe out :-) .. the ntfsresize website says "partman" does hte resizing for sarge.. is that the same one etch? |
| 03:41.28 | dondelelcaro | unix_infidel: use gv to test to make sure it looks reasonable, and then cat foo.ps |ssh foobox 'lpr -Pfoo -'; |
| 03:41.43 | frodo | asg: i'm not in that pc... that pc has not desktop enviroment |
| 03:41.50 | asg | dondelelcaro: ssh is the killer app |
| 03:42.01 | dondelelcaro | vinay: could be |
| 03:42.25 | vinay | dondelelcaro: is that what you've used? |
| 03:42.25 | asg | frodo: then use an ssh tunnel. ssh -x -C -L 10000:localhost:10000 me@192.168.1.101 (then use your browser to got to localhost:10000) |
| 03:42.38 | dondelelcaro | vinay: I used whatever was in sarge, which should be the same as what is in etch. |
| 03:42.44 | asg | s/got to/go to/ |
| 03:42.59 | vinay | dondelelcaro: alrighty, thanks for the help.. will try it out :-) |
| 03:43.07 | atula | abrotman: it seems that my debian box can't renew the ip address... hmm.. I did try the /etc/init.d/networking method though |
| 03:43.38 | atula | abrotman: when I reboot the comp. it will be fine. but I don't want to reboot. |
| 03:43.39 | abrotman | plug the cable in |
| 03:44.04 | atula | abrotman: ah. I'm not that bad. |
| 03:44.10 | unix_infidel | dondelelcaro: does windows support printing to file? |
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| 03:44.30 | dondelelcaro | unix_infidel: if you've got the proper printer drivers set up, yes... but you'll have to look up the manuals for that. |
| 03:44.38 | atula | abrotman: I see the green LED... so it must have connection... |
| 03:44.42 | unix_infidel | unix_infidel: so its not a simple ordeal :( |
| 03:44.45 | konfuzed | im actually having a minor problem with an eps file. Guy made a house layout with AutoCAD and sent me what appears to be 2 single image files as .eps about 10K in size which open fine. |
| 03:44.50 | unix_infidel | erm dondelelcaro so its not a simple ordeal. |
| 03:44.57 | unix_infidel | requires special drivers? |
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| 03:45.19 | dondelelcaro | unix_infidel: it requires you to pick a printer driver that does ps, and then print it to file. Ask your windows support people for that though, as we don't support windows here. |
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| 03:45.42 | unix_infidel | dondelelcaro: i dont use windows....unless i have to. |
| 03:45.52 | unix_infidel | just as a matter of reference. |
| 03:45.57 | unix_infidel | :) |
| 03:46.11 | konfuzed | He also sent 2 files that should be more complete set of drawings that are about 1MB in size but most things wouldnt open it but scribus and something open it to reveal only a cover page |
| 03:46.13 | tobehz | #debian doesnt support windows?!?! |
| 03:46.20 | tobehz | who would have thought?! :( |
| 03:46.32 | unix_infidel | lol, is there even a windows support channel on freenode? |
| 03:46.34 | HeyJoe | unix_infidel: just add printer generic/text only |
| 03:46.35 | konfuzed | i figured cause he sent a multi page file and that s the problem |
| 03:46.38 | asg | tobehz: we do support xbill though |
| 03:46.45 | dondelelcaro | konfuzed: could be; does gv see it? |
| 03:47.03 | dondelelcaro | generally if gv can't view it, it's got issues. |
| 03:47.59 | HeyJoe | but could someone answer my ? plz. was trying to move everything in /ez/ezpub to ez. from ezpub i used the command ... mv -r ./* /ez/* i got a message that -r is invalid option but i cant find an option in debian to replace it |
| 03:48.10 | konfuzed | like layout issues or odd image files added to the original source or even just multipage vs single page. i dont seem to have gv opn this box so im adding it |
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| 03:48.45 | dondelelcaro | HeyJoe: what do you think -r does for mv? sounds like you're looking for cp or rsync followed by rm. |
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| 03:49.14 | HeyJoe | dondelelcaro: includes directorys |
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| 03:49.26 | dondelelcaro | HeyJoe: mv always includes directories. |
| 03:49.30 | kspath_ | HeyJoe: did you read man mv ? |
| 03:49.52 | HeyJoe | kspath: yes |
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| 03:50.03 | konfuzed | so its downloading ggv is gv for command line ? |
| 03:50.14 | kspath_ | HeyJoe: I can not think of any unix or bsd or anything with mv having a -r |
| 03:50.25 | dondelelcaro | konfuzed: it's just gv |
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| 03:50.42 | HeyJoe | i untarred a cms that's in a directory, and i just want to move everything up a directory |
| 03:51.01 | dondelelcaro | HeyJoe: so mv * ez/; |
| 03:51.16 | dondelelcaro | (and ignore the cannot mv to a subdirectory of itself warning) |
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| 03:51.49 | kevsthabes | hey guys.. i got a quick question, (sorry to butt into the conversations).. im trying to run azureus(packaged download) and im getting an odd error about the ports designated are currently being used by another application.. any ideas what might be causing this? |
| 03:52.04 | Stevie | EADDRINUSE |
| 03:52.12 | Stevie | what's azureus do? |
| 03:52.37 | HeyJoe | dondelelcaro: that was it. I thought i used the -r option before. I'm a windows idiot trying to move to linux. Thanx for help |
| 03:52.48 | atula | can someone tell me how to get back on internet when I unplug my ethernet cable and replug it in again. I've tried /etc/init.d/network restart /etc/init.d/ifplugd |
| 03:52.49 | atula | thanks |
| 03:53.00 | nicolas__ | how come "man sshd_config" does not include params included in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 03:53.06 | dondelelcaro | HeyJoe: np. Some time spent reading the Debian Reference will likely be of great use to you. |
| 03:53.09 | kevsthabes | from what i can see, azeuris is just staying there and not working.. |
| 03:53.12 | dondelelcaro | !tell HeyJoe -about quick reference |
| 03:53.26 | nicolas__ | i got KeepAlive in sshd_config, but only TCPKeepAlive in "man sshd_config" |
| 03:53.34 | Stevie | no what I mean is |
| 03:53.39 | Stevie | what IS azureus? |
| 03:53.42 | kspath_ | HeyJoe: there are numerous other commands with -r and -R. -r and -R should only be used with great care and great understanding. |
| 03:53.45 | kevsthabes | oh, bit torrent client |
| 03:53.48 | Stevie | mail server? web server? hot naked babe server? |
| 03:53.55 | nicolas__ | " If they are sent, death of the connection or |
| 03:53.57 | nicolas__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:53.59 | kevsthabes | bit torrent java client actually |
| 03:54.03 | Stevie | ah, the latter |
| 03:54.08 | nicolas__ | how come a KeepAlive can do that |
| 03:54.08 | Stevie | kevsthabes: Do you know what ports it tries to listen on? |
| 03:54.27 | kspath_ | HeyJoe: the file systems has branches like a tree hence / being root and everything growing from there. |
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| 03:54.28 | kevsthabes | stevie: currently listening to port 50000 |
| 03:54.44 | Stevie | kevsthabes: as root, netstat -lnp |
| 03:54.49 | HeyJoe | dondelelcaro: I always try to look it up and figure it out before I ask. This option is after banging my head 10 times |
| 03:54.49 | Stevie | look for port 50000 |
| 03:55.26 | dondelelcaro | HeyJoe: sure, I'm just telling you that you're going to need to read that to get the base knowledge to understand the manuals that you're going to be reading. |
| 03:55.30 | Stevie | nicolas__: if KeepAlive is on, every so often, an empty message is sent to the other side. If the other side goes away, it won't ACK the packets, and eventually the connection will die |
| 03:55.38 | kspath_ | HeyJoe: mv is also used as a "rename" command |
| 03:55.47 | HeyJoe | kspath: I know but I still get confused. Like executing a command in a directroy i have to go ./sh just makes no sense to me |
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| 03:56.00 | Stevie | HeyJoe: it's a security feature |
| 03:56.00 | kevsthabes | stevie: tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:50000 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 8612/java |
| 03:56.05 | HeyJoe | dondelelcaro: I'll bookmark it and make use of it for sure |
| 03:56.12 | nicolas__ | Stevie: the computer is dying |
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| 03:56.15 | Stevie | ps ewww 8612 |
| 03:56.16 | nicolas__ | not the connection |
| 03:56.29 | nicolas__ | "crash of one of the machines" |
| 03:56.30 | Stevie | nicolas__: The connection runs on the computer. |
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| 03:56.55 | Stevie | nicolas__: Therefore, no computer, no connection |
| 03:56.55 | nicolas__ | but why does it kill the complete server ? why not just the daemon ? |
| 03:57.06 | Stevie | what do you mean, 'the complete server'? |
| 03:57.07 | _atula_ | hello. I was wondering if someone could tell me how to restart my internet connectiong without rebooting the machine. I've tried /networking and /ifplugd /ifupdown |
| 03:57.13 | kevsthabes | stevie: ? 8612? (linux noob) what does that mean? |
| 03:57.15 | nicolas__ | Stevie: the whole computer crashes |
| 03:57.18 | mike4479 | can anyone please please help me to get my linksys WMP54GS wireless card to work? |
| 03:57.22 | Stevie | kevsthabes: process ID 8612 |
| 03:57.22 | nicolas__ | Stevie: i need to press reset each time |
| 03:57.27 | kspath_ | HeyJoe: that ./sh thing is an olde security feature. The idea is that someone might drop a ls or rm or cp or mv replacement in some directory like your homedir and if that person was not you than it would be a bad thing. |
| 03:57.29 | nicolas__ | Stevie: when a ssh connection timeouts |
| 03:57.36 | HeyJoe | kspath: and I'm 44 now so it's damned hard to remember stuff now. So I have to look it up over and over before i remember it |
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| 03:57.41 | Stevie | nicolas__: what do you mean 'press reset'? |
| 03:58.04 | kevsthabes | stevie: claims its azureus.. (which is odd) |
| 03:58.23 | Stevie | kevsthabes: Maybe you have another copy of azureus running (or azureus is confused) |
| 03:58.26 | nicolas__ | Stevie: you know that button you press when there is nothing else to do, because ctrl-alt-bkspc is not working, ctrl-alt-del isnt working, ctrl-alt-f1 isnt working, total freeze |
| 03:58.41 | Stevie | nicolas__: It sounds to me like you are very confused. |
| 03:58.48 | kspath_ | HeyJoe: keep notes and trim the crap that you find you do not need. keep it organized and categorized. |
| 03:58.50 | nicolas__ | Stevie: really no. |
| 03:58.53 | kevsthabes | stevie: azureus ss really confused.. one copy only.. as far as i know |
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| 03:59.09 | Stevie | nicolas__: You are saying that when the ssh connection times out, you have to reset the machine, right? |
| 03:59.18 | nicolas__ | nicolas__: exact |
| 03:59.24 | nicolas__ | each time |
| 03:59.28 | Stevie | nicolas__: You almost certainly have that backwards. |
| 03:59.31 | mike4479 | can anyone please please help me to get my linksys WMP54GS wireless card to work? |
| 03:59.37 | nicolas__ | hahaha |
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| 03:59.59 | nicolas__ | Stevie: if it were only this, i wouldnt be so disapointed |
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| 04:00.09 | kspath_ | HeyJoe: make backups onto CDR or DVDR of your homedir configs and any apps that you use that take any time to setup |
| 04:00.26 | nicolas__ | Stevie: any ssh connection to my computer, when timeouting, totally hangs my computer |
| 04:00.37 | kspath_ | HeyJoe: /etc contains MANY configs which makes it a good choice to backup |
| 04:00.38 | Stevie | nicolas__: Which machine is crashing? The one you're running ssh on, or the one running sshd? |
| 04:00.44 | nicolas__ | Stevie: server-side |
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| 04:00.59 | Stevie | I gave you two options and you choose a third |
| 04:01.00 | Stevie | lovely. |
| 04:01.06 | nicolas__ | :) |
| 04:01.18 | nicolas__ | in fact its the second option |
| 04:01.22 | Stevie | okay |
| 04:01.22 | nicolas__ | in another form |
| 04:01.36 | Stevie | so you ssh into machine X |
| 04:01.39 | Stevie | when your ssh connection times out |
| 04:01.41 | insidius | I hang when the connection times out, but that is when i connect |
| 04:01.41 | Stevie | X crashes? |
| 04:01.53 | kspath_ | HeyJoe: another config people forget is their Xorg or XF86Config |
| 04:01.58 | konfuzed | gv was hiding on me but ive got it now |
| 04:02.06 | nicolas__ | Stevie: no, the whole system, i cant just kill X and go back to console |
| 04:02.18 | nicolas__ | even if i go in console before the freeze |
| 04:02.22 | nicolas__ | it freezes anyway |
| 04:02.23 | Stevie | sorry |
| 04:02.25 | _atula_ | how do I reset my internet without rebooting? |
| 04:02.28 | Stevie | when your ssh connection times out |
| 04:02.35 | Stevie | the whole computer crashes? |
| 04:02.49 | nicolas__ | _atula_: cd /etc/init.d/ ; ./networking restart |
| 04:02.53 | nicolas__ | Stevie: exact |
| 04:02.55 | Stevie | again, what makes you think that the ssh connection isn't timing out BECAUSE the computer crashed? |
| 04:02.57 | shadow98 | hey guys i just want to bring eth0 interface up but not set an ip or set it for dhcp..in network interfaces do i just set "auto eth0" |
| 04:03.10 | insidius | /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 04:03.14 | insidius | oh to late |
| 04:03.16 | _atula_ | nicolas__: yeah, I did that. but it seems that it can't get to my router to renew |
| 04:03.22 | nicolas__ | Stevie: because the computer only crashes when i leave on an ssh terminal |
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| 04:03.36 | nicolas__ | _atula_: it wont do more at reboot |
| 04:03.51 | Stevie | nicolas__: Maybe you've got a bad NIC? |
| 04:04.08 | nicolas__ | Stevie: the problem is there since i upgraded from sarge |
| 04:04.10 | konfuzed | wow so gv is actually showing most of these files and reporting a pile of errors with out choking and then showing the remaining graphics. |
| 04:04.14 | konfuzed | gv kicks ass |
| 04:04.33 | Stevie | nicolas__: Here's the deal. Nothing a userpsace program can do should hardlock the machine. |
| 04:04.41 | nicolas__ | yea, thats pure logic |
| 04:04.46 | abrotman | Stevie: you hope |
| 04:04.55 | Stevie | no hope there |
| 04:05.04 | _atula_ | hmm... what the heck... I can't seem to get online. |
| 04:05.11 | nicolas__ | Stevie: so you suggest its a kernel problem |
| 04:05.15 | abrotman | Stevie: apps can cause a kernel swap storm etc .. |
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| 04:05.17 | shadow98 | asg: im trying to bring up eth0 but its not working i set it in interfaces as just "auto eth0" and then i restarted init.d/networking |
| 04:05.23 | nicolas__ | i tried, 2.6.15 custom and generic, and also 2.6.14 |
| 04:05.26 | nicolas__ | same thing |
| 04:05.27 | Stevie | abrotman: And that should hardlock the machine? |
| 04:05.38 | abrotman | Stevie: it can cause a kernel crash |
| 04:05.41 | Stevie | it CAN |
| 04:05.44 | Stevie | it *shouldn't* |
| 04:05.50 | abrotman | Stevie: but it's still the kernel doing the crashing |
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| 04:06.04 | Stevie | but if it's swapping |
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| 04:06.09 | abrotman | it's the kernel |
| 04:06.15 | Stevie | nicolas__ would surely notice the huge disk activity, no? |
| 04:06.27 | Stevie | clickety clickety clickety |
| 04:06.29 | mike4479 | can anyone please please help me to get my linksys WMP54GS wireless card to work? |
| 04:06.33 | shadow98 | hey guys im trying to get eth0 up...i get this when doing ifup eth0 ignoring uknown interface eth0=eth0 |
| 04:06.57 | HeyJoe | kspath: I'm listening, was in another window. I do keep the notes although not enough. But I need repetition and windows is still my main computer so nothing real critical here yet. I have a managed vps but I'd like to manage my own someday |
| 04:07.09 | Stevie | do you even have an eth0, shadow98? what does 'ifconfig eth0' say? |
| 04:07.24 | nicolas__ | Stevie: no, total silence |
| 04:07.34 | Stevie | then it's not likely a swap storm |
| 04:07.50 | shadow98 | Stevie: it shows link encap: ethernet hwaddr: 00:02:A5:0C:d%:5b |
| 04:07.54 | nicolas__ | what other kernel can i try ? |
| 04:08.02 | nicolas__ | 2.6.14 replicate the same bug |
| 04:08.13 | Stevie | nicolas__: you don't get an oops message or anything? |
| 04:08.36 | nicolas__ | Stevie: no, nothing in console, either in logfiles |
| 04:08.50 | Stevie | Well if the machine hardlocks it wouldn't make it to a logfile |
| 04:08.59 | Stevie | and I assume you've tried the numlock/capslock test |
| 04:09.11 | nicolas__ | hrm no, never heard of that |
| 04:09.17 | nicolas__ | ah ok :) |
| 04:09.21 | nicolas__ | responsivness |
| 04:09.33 | Stevie | if the machine is the least bit alive, numlock/capslock will still work |
| 04:09.36 | nicolas__ | no numlock were also freezed |
| 04:09.40 | Stevie | hm |
| 04:09.48 | shadow98 | Steveie: when i was installing sarge it asked me which network card to use i picked eth1 because im going to use eth0 for snort |
| 04:09.59 | shadow98 | so it detcted the card |
| 04:10.16 | nicolas__ | Stevie: i have set KeepAlive to no in sshd_config |
| 04:10.24 | nicolas__ | maybe it wont crash anymore |
| 04:10.26 | Stevie | and that prevents it from crashing? |
| 04:10.34 | nicolas__ | from now yes |
| 04:10.36 | Stevie | shadow98: so wait, are you saying you have no info in /etc/network/interfaces on eth0? |
| 04:10.43 | nicolas__ | im not sure about the exact timing |
| 04:10.45 | Stevie | nicolas__: You might want to try stracing sshd |
| 04:10.58 | nicolas__ | ill know in 20 min |
| 04:11.05 | shadow98 | stevie: yes there is nothing in there i tried putting in auto eth0 |
| 04:11.19 | shadow98 | stevie: i just need to bring the interface up for sniffing |
| 04:11.22 | Stevie | shadow98: man interfaces |
| 04:11.26 | nicolas__ | Stevie: i have a question about this, whats the proper use of strace in this case ? strace on pid ? |
| 04:11.27 | Stevie | oh |
| 04:11.34 | Stevie | shadow98: ifconfig eth0 up |
| 04:11.34 | jetscreamer | prevarications and obfuscations! |
| 04:11.43 | Stevie | strace -ff `cat /var/run/sshd` |
| 04:11.55 | shadow98 | stevie: what do i need to put in interfaces so it comes up on a reboot |
| 04:12.15 | Stevie | alternatively you could kill sshd and run it in debug mode, which won't fork off, and will instead ump output to stderr |
| 04:12.22 | Stevie | dump |
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| 04:13.30 | nicolas__ | Stevie: hrm strace results are almost unreadable |
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| 04:14.10 | wireddd | do I need to have any reserved space on a partition that is just for data storage? |
| 04:14.26 | nicolas__ | ill come back in 20 minute to tell you if KeepAlive no has temporarily solved the problem |
| 04:14.30 | Stevie | well, there's always a few percent reserved for root |
| 04:14.53 | wireddd | Stevie, I know there is I just turned it down to 1% but why do I need it |
| 04:15.03 | Stevie | it's always a 'just in case' thing |
| 04:15.36 | Stevie | how big is the filesystem? |
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| 04:15.44 | jetscreamer | big.. really big. |
| 04:15.45 | wireddd | 120GB |
| 04:15.56 | Stevie | so 1% of that would be... 1.2GB |
| 04:16.00 | wireddd | yeah |
| 04:16.01 | nicolas__ | Stevie: i got the a tail to auth.log with sshd in mode DEBUG3, so if i crash i hope ill come back with useful info |
| 04:16.14 | nicolas__ | brb |
| 04:16.21 | Stevie | nicolas__: okay |
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| 04:16.35 | wireddd | it needs to be something more like 0.01% |
| 04:16.35 | Stevie | wired, use tune2fs -r to specify the reserved section size in blocks |
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| 04:16.42 | nicolas__ | heh, ill have to write on a paper :( |
| 04:16.59 | Stevie | tune2fs -r 10240 should do 10mb, which would be plenty |
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| 04:17.15 | wireddd | 10240? |
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| 04:17.32 | Stevie | aye |
| 04:17.34 | wireddd | how much many kb are in a block |
| 04:17.39 | Stevie | 1 |
| 04:17.44 | Stevie | I can do a test real quick |
| 04:17.45 | Stevie | brb |
| 04:17.48 | Frem | What do I need to install to get spell check working in AbiWord? I have the aspell-bin and aspell-en packages. |
| 04:17.57 | wireddd | so wouldn't it be 1024? |
| 04:18.05 | Stevie | that would be 1mb |
| 04:18.12 | wireddd | lol |
| 04:18.20 | wireddd | I need some sleep |
| 04:18.22 | shadow98 | Stevie: how do i make sure eth0 comes up at boot? |
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| 04:18.42 | nicolas__ | shadow98: reboot ? |
| 04:19.03 | shadow98 | nicolas__: i did that is what took the interface down |
| 04:19.04 | c00i90wn | Hi, I've got a question, I need a script for doing a backup of a server, and someone recommended me rsnapshot, but for what I understand rsnapshot is not able to push a backup to a FTP, so is there some other script to recommend that it's able to do that? |
| 04:19.22 | tux | a question: how to 'ifup sit1' every boot time? |
| 04:19.58 | cheal | tux: $ man interfaces; ? |
| 04:20.01 | Stevie | shadow98: hold on a sec |
| 04:20.02 | shadow98 | ifconfig eth0 up brings up the interface fine but i need to make sure that it is brought up at reboot...i tried putting in auto eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 04:20.40 | shadow98 | ok |
| 04:20.45 | nicolas__ | shadow98: what do you have in interfaces? |
| 04:20.57 | shadow98 | i have auto eth0 |
| 04:21.08 | nicolas__ | then iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 04:21.10 | shadow98 | and i have also set eth1 to a static address |
| 04:21.15 | Stevie | shadow98: try 'iface eth0 inet static' and specify 0.0.0.0 for the ip and netmask |
| 04:21.19 | shadow98 | but i don't want it go get dhcp |
| 04:21.28 | Stevie | shadow98: Use the entry for eth0 as a reference |
| 04:21.37 | Stevie | err eth1 |
| 04:21.38 | nicolas__ | shadow98: then you made two mistake |
| 04:21.48 | tux | cheal: I have auto sit1 in /etc/network/interfaces but sit1 is not activated automatically |
| 04:21.52 | nicolas__ | shadow98: you wrote eth1 at the second line |
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| 04:22.24 | nicolas__ | shadow98: write my line |
| 04:22.27 | Stevie | wireddd: yeah, just tune2fs -r 10240 /dev/foobar1 |
| 04:22.30 | cheal | tux: can you paste your interfaces somewhere? |
| 04:22.35 | nicolas__ | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 04:22.45 | Stevie | nicolas__: he does NOT want dhcp |
| 04:22.51 | nicolas__ | really |
| 04:22.57 | nicolas__ | sorry misreading |
| 04:23.01 | shadow98 | no i just want to bring the interface up |
| 04:23.02 | wireddd | Stevie, yeah I did thanks |
| 04:23.12 | shadow98 | im using it for sniffing |
| 04:23.19 | Stevie | wireddd: That should squeeze an extra gig out of it |
| 04:23.31 | Stevie | shadow98: try assigning it the address 0.0.0.0 |
| 04:23.34 | tux | cheal: http://pan.cdut.cn/tmp/interfaces |
| 04:23.42 | shadow98 | Stevie: i did im rebooting now to see if that works |
| 04:23.43 | Stevie | that'll bring it up without actually doing anything with it (no routing entries or anything) |
| 04:23.48 | Stevie | okay |
| 04:24.20 | shadow98 | ok its up |
| 04:24.44 | nicolas__ | shadow98: my two mindterm clients are up for now 30 min, and me too, it is almost certain at 98% that "KeepAlive no" has a positive effect on that bug |
| 04:25.07 | nicolas__ | its amazing |
| 04:25.10 | UdontKnow | hmmmm, anyone can help me figure out whats up with framebuffer? it works on 2.4 but not on 2.6 |
| 04:25.10 | konfuzed | dondelelcaro, gv opens the file and seems to display an actual simple line drawing as one page and then spews some errors. |
| 04:25.16 | Stevie | nicolas__: Then the next thing you need to do is do the tracing with KeepAlive yes and find out what sshd is doing to make your machine go nutso |
| 04:25.22 | cheal | tux: which interfaces are up after reboot? |
| 04:25.24 | shadow98 | looks like it is working im able to tcpdump the traffic on that interface... |
| 04:25.28 | shadow98 | now to setup snort |
| 04:25.39 | Stevie | shadow98: so the 0.0.0.0 thing worked? |
| 04:25.49 | shadow98 | Stevie: yes it did like a charm |
| 04:25.53 | Stevie | excellent. |
| 04:25.57 | shadow98 | thanks so much |
| 04:26.01 | Stevie | Did you do 0.0.0.0 for the netmask too? |
| 04:26.19 | nicolas__ | Stevie: can i use strace just as "tail" or do i have to type it at the right moment ? |
| 04:26.27 | konfuzed | when I click next it spews a bunch of errors complaing of unrecoverable. is there some way I can tell if there is supposed to be more than one image in this file ? |
| 04:26.48 | Stevie | nicolas__: strace will just keep spewing until you stop it (or the machine crashes :D) |
| 04:26.55 | konfuzed | at this point I can only presume something is wrong in the second image |
| 04:27.02 | tux | cheal: lo and eth0. I need to login my campus gateway manually after boot so thaat I can access the internet. I do not know if sit1 can be actived before I log in to the gateway. |
| 04:27.07 | nicolas__ | Stevie: well, it just returned to prompt |
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| 04:27.24 | Stevie | nicolas__: what command are you using? |
| 04:27.49 | Stevie | shadow98: Did you do 0.0.0.0 for the netmask too? |
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| 04:28.31 | cheal | tux: you should try to # ifconfig sit1 up; directly after reboot and see. if it doesn't work I'm not sure if and how interfaces would support that |
| 04:28.40 | nicolas__ | strace -ff cat /var/run/sshd |
| 04:28.46 | Stevie | cat? |
| 04:28.48 | unstable | tar buffer overflow, everyone update your tar binaries and don't accept tar archives from people/websites you don't trust. |
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| 04:28.52 | Stevie | ?? |
| 04:28.52 | nicolas__ | thats what you told me |
| 04:28.54 | nicolas__ | :P |
| 04:28.56 | tux | cheal: thank you, cheal |
| 04:28.59 | Stevie | no |
| 04:29.16 | Stevie | although it's close, it's also not the exact right thing to do |
| 04:29.19 | ll | i would like to know how to execute files after i have extracted them |
| 04:29.23 | nicolas__ | 23:03 < Stevie> strace -ff `cat /var/run/sshd` |
| 04:29.24 | Stevie | strace -ff -p `cat /var/run/sshd.pid` |
| 04:29.46 | ke6isf | ll: Can you elaborate please? Define "extracted them"? |
| 04:29.48 | nicolas__ | ok now it works |
| 04:30.03 | Stevie | now you have keepalive on? |
| 04:30.04 | ll | with gzexe |
| 04:30.12 | nicolas__ | select(6, [3], NULL, NULL, NULL |
| 04:30.17 | ke6isf | !tell ll -about ask |
| 04:30.46 | nicolas__ | no, i was just trying, ill wait a little more to be sure that the problem is really solved with keepalive no |
| 04:30.54 | ke6isf | ll: The problem is that when you gunzip something, it could be a .tar file, it can be any number of things. I need more information - see the factoid I just had dpkg tell you. |
| 04:31.01 | cheal | unstable: what if it's already done? |
| 04:31.09 | tux | !tell |
| 04:31.12 | ll | i extracted them into /home/live and it created a folder for it but i cant launch the install command |
| 04:31.25 | ke6isf | ll: What did you unpack? |
| 04:31.30 | ke6isf | !tell tux -about msg the bot |
| 04:31.35 | ll | gzip |
| 04:31.48 | ke6isf | ll: ...you gunzipped gzip?! |
| 04:31.58 | nicolas__ | hahaha |
| 04:31.59 | ll | an updated version |
| 04:32.04 | Stevie | ke6isf: a crazier thing would be to gzip gunzip |
| 04:32.10 | ke6isf | ll: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 04:32.14 | ke6isf | Stevie: Stranger things have been done. |
| 04:32.17 | ll | xebian |
| 04:32.20 | Stevie | ke6isf: Since that'd be hard to undo |
| 04:32.25 | ll | on an xbox console |
| 04:32.28 | ke6isf | !xebian |
| 04:32.28 | dpkg | hmm... xebian is http://www.xbox-linux.org/Xebian. See #xbox-linux on oftc.net. XEBIAN IS NOT DEBIAN! |
| 04:32.33 | Stevie | xebian? wtf |
| 04:32.34 | Stevie | oh |
| 04:32.40 | ke6isf | ll: Looks like we can't help you, since it's not Debian. |
| 04:32.48 | ll | oh oj |
| 04:32.49 | nicolas__ | haha |
| 04:32.50 | ll | ok |
| 04:33.00 | tux | !tell tux -about ubuntu |
| 04:33.02 | Stevie | !not debian |
| 04:33.03 | dpkg | Knoppix isn't, Ubuntu isn't, Libranet isn't, Morphix isn't, lnx-bbc isn't, *your* installation you have right now ISN'T.... see if there is a channel available relevant to your distribution, if not, tough. Your questions do not belong here! |
| 04:33.18 | Stevie | need to add xebian |
| 04:33.20 | ke6isf | tux: Please msg the bot. |
| 04:33.25 | Stevie | what is Morphix? |
| 04:33.30 | ke6isf | !morphix |
| 04:33.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, morphix is a modular linux distribution that provides tools for building your own custom cd live using standard debian tools like apt-get. The prebuilt cds are made from sid (unstable) and can be installed to create a pure sid system using the installer, or http://morphix.sourceforge.net |
| 04:33.43 | ke6isf | Stevie: ...still not Debian, though. =^^= |
| 04:33.48 | cheal | Stevie: ask Wikipedia |
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| 04:34.02 | Stevie | can Wikipedia answer this question though: |
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| 04:34.10 | Stevie | is there a such thing as a "pure" sid system? |
| 04:34.21 | tux | ke6isf: yes, it's poped in another tab |
| 04:34.25 | nicolas__ | thats really cool the way you guys are talking through pre-writen sentence with dpkg |
| 04:34.32 | ke6isf | tux: Good. Talk to dpkg through that separate tab. |
| 04:34.33 | Frem | wait... if Morphix installs to "a pure sid system", could youget support here? |
| 04:34.37 | nicolas__ | its almost inhuman ;P |
| 04:34.39 | cheal | Stevie: Wikipedia's article doesn't refer to "pure sid" |
| 04:34.42 | ke6isf | Frem: no. |
| 04:35.02 | Frem | ke6isf: So, it's not *really* "pure"? |
| 04:35.04 | ke6isf | Frem: It draws from Debian, making it Debian based. |
| 04:35.05 | Stevie | Pure sid is like... pure milk or something |
| 04:35.15 | Stevie | there is no such thing |
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| 04:35.33 | ke6isf | Stevie: Well... I can't imagine getting Sid straight from a cow, though. =^_^= |
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| 04:36.12 | Frem | So, if you hacked up a "pure" sid install, would you be able to get support? |
| 04:36.49 | Stevie | ke6isf: there is no such thing as pure milk. Milk is a heterogenous solution. |
| 04:37.25 | ke6isf | Frem: In this context, it would be either "Sid" (e.g., you've installed Sid), or you have installed something derived from Sid. So as Stevie points out, it's not a question of purity, it's a question of it is or it ain't. |
| 04:37.37 | ke6isf | Stevie: But... marketing says there is! =^_^= |
| 04:37.54 | Stevie | marketing can kiss my ass |
| 04:38.17 | ke6isf | Stevie: Frankly, I don't want marketing kissing (or touching) any part of my anatomy. |
| 04:38.33 | Stevie | oh |
| 04:38.39 | Stevie | well when I said "my ass" |
| 04:38.48 | Stevie | i actually meant "the ass of some VD-laden hooker" |
| 04:39.05 | Frem | So, if I packged my hacked up sid install and called it "Sidian" or something like that, users of Sidian would not be able to get support in #debian? |
| 04:39.13 | ke6isf | Frem: That is correct. |
| 04:39.30 | ke6isf | Frem: Even then, Sid isn't really all that supported, from what I see. |
| 04:39.30 | ke6isf | !sid |
| 04:39.30 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 04:40.07 | nicolas__ | !etch |
| 04:40.07 | dpkg | i heard etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ . Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from our web site, http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer. |
| 04:40.12 | Stevie | It will never be released, but it HAS been unleasehd |
| 04:40.15 | Stevie | unleashed |
| 04:40.30 | tux | !woody |
| 04:40.30 | dpkg | i heard woody is the previous stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "woody->sarge" or "sarge install guide" Security updates for woody will cease approximately one year after sarge's release(July/2006) |
| 04:40.42 | ke6isf | OK, guys, we need to stop spamming the channel here. |
| 04:40.50 | nicolas__ | hrm, dpkg isnt telling me what skill do i need to be in etch |
| 04:41.01 | stoned | skill? |
| 04:41.08 | tux | ke6isf: i just know how to use tell. |
| 04:41.15 | Stevie | You need skillz. |
| 04:41.27 | nicolas__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:41.30 | Stevie | Mad apt-getting skillz |
| 04:41.37 | nicolas__ | hehe |
| 04:41.38 | nicolas__ | :) |
| 04:41.51 | ke6isf | nicolas__: Etch, near as I can tell, just requires somebody to be willing to deal with occasional breakage. |
| 04:42.00 | Stevie | I have the skill to add init=/bin/sh to the command line. That's all you really need. |
| 04:42.17 | nicolas__ | ke6isf: cool, you should add this to dpkg info about etch |
| 04:42.28 | stoned | Stevie, i don't even know what that does, and I've been using sid for a number of years |
| 04:42.29 | ke6isf | tux: It's easy. You know that part "!tell foobar -about baz"? Well, if you're dealing with dpkg in privmsg, you just type "baz". |
| 04:42.34 | nicolas__ | thats exactly what i hoped |
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| 04:43.00 | Stevie | stoned: haha |
| 04:43.04 | ke6isf | nicolas__: Thing is, though, that's observation. Unless an etch user (e.g., abrotman) is watching, I have no way of confirming this. |
| 04:43.05 | shadow98 | stevie: yes i did it for the netmask |
| 04:43.27 | Stevie | stoned: If, for whatever reason, you find yourself unable to login to your system at all, init=/bin/sh bypasses all startup programs |
| 04:43.31 | stoned | also, install apt-listbugs if you want to use sid/etch. don't install any packages that have critical bugs or crash or something |
| 04:43.41 | shadow98 | sorry my daughter just got sick all over the place |
| 04:43.44 | mike4479 | Can someone help me please lspci will not find my wireless linksyscard??? |
| 04:43.44 | Stevie | shadow98: cool |
| 04:43.51 | nicolas__ | ke6isf: well, im an etch user and i have a damn malefic bug |
| 04:43.58 | ke6isf | shadow98: Erk, hope she feels better. |
| 04:44.06 | shadow98 | me too |
| 04:44.07 | stoned | Stevie, ahh, I see, and where do you put this little command thingy in, menu.lst? |
| 04:44.09 | Stevie | shadow98: she ok? |
| 04:44.14 | ke6isf | nicolas__: Ah, I see. |
| 04:44.28 | shadow98 | im holding her now so i will get it if she is not |
| 04:44.29 | nicolas__ | i think youre right |
| 04:44.30 | Stevie | stoned: On the kernel command line (the same one you specify 'ro' and 'root='), wherever that may be |
| 04:44.31 | ke6isf | nicolas__: Curious, what's the bug? |
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| 04:44.32 | Celeste | hi |
| 04:44.46 | Stevie | stoned: Normally, if you can put it in menu.lst (or whatever), you don't need to put it in there :) |
| 04:45.05 | shadow98 | yeah trhink she had to many fruit snacks |
| 04:45.10 | nicolas__ | ke6isf: total freeze on the server-side of ssh when a clients timeouts with KeepAlive set to yes in sshd_config :P |
| 04:45.31 | stoned | Stevie, thats what I meant, the respective kernel entry in each boot section of grubs menu.lst |
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| 04:45.44 | shadow98 | first time she has gotten sick...she is 2 |
| 04:45.47 | ke6isf | nicolas__: erf. |
| 04:45.51 | nicolas__ | ke6isf: the man page of sshd_config also says that KeepAlive can crash the connection or the machine |
| 04:45.52 | Stevie | stoned: yes, but again -- if you can edit menu.lst, you don't need init=/bin/sh yet :) |
| 04:45.57 | nicolas__ | it is really weird |
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| 04:46.12 | Stevie | nicolas__: I think you're confused |
| 04:46.12 | nicolas__ | i couldnt believe what i read |
| 04:46.12 | stoned | Stevie, but i don't understnad what you mean. why not? |
| 04:46.23 | nicolas__ | Stevie: again, no :) |
| 04:46.32 | stoned | Stevie, yet? |
| 04:46.36 | stoned | man don't confuse me man |
| 04:46.38 | Stevie | stoned: init=/bin/sh is a sort of last resort. It's good for getting in if e.g. you totally forget your root password |
| 04:46.39 | nicolas__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:46.41 | nicolas__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:46.41 | stoned | just say wha tyou gotta say on one long line |
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| 04:47.00 | stoned | Stevie, yes you've told me that, but how does that relate to grub? |
| 04:47.08 | curt | nicolas__, you sure it's not gui, maybe different terminal debian default, gnome, xtermimal |
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| 04:47.29 | Stevie | nicolas__: the man page does not say keepalive will crash the connection or the machine |
| 04:47.29 | nicolas__ | curt: no im really forced to push the reset button |
| 04:47.49 | Stevie | nicolas__: the man page says that keepalive will ensure that such an event will be detected |
| 04:47.51 | curt | nicolas__, I heard that a few times, try a different terminal |
| 04:47.54 | nicolas__ | Stevie: hrm, thats what im reading |
| 04:47.57 | tux | did I flood this channel right now? |
| 04:48.13 | nicolas__ | ohhh |
| 04:48.15 | ke6isf | tux: ...no |
| 04:48.24 | Stevie | If they are sent, death of the connection or crash of one of the machines will be properly noticed. |
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| 04:48.30 | basilisk | are there any docs on how to replace the kernel on debian install cd? My SATA controller isnt recognized by the stock kernel, I have to install a vendor patch for it to show up. Any way for me to get this patch onto the install cd? |
| 04:48.38 | stoned | Stevie, if I can edit menu.lst I obviously have the root pass. If supposing one does NOT have the root pass at all, they can't edit menu.lst and include this entry in there to fix the problem. How would one go about using this init bypass thing you mentioned, outside of grubs menu.lst |
| 04:48.59 | tux | Then there is a bug of xchat. |
| 04:49.00 | nicolas__ | Stevie: i thought like "i properly notice that my machine is crashed" |
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| 04:49.35 | Stevie | no, the crash (if there is one) will be noticed by the other computer |
| 04:49.47 | Stevie | stoned: When grub's menu pops up, it will give you the opportunity to *edit* the command line |
| 04:49.57 | jmd | Has anyone noticed a bug with ghostscript where it displays arrowheads one pixel too low ? |
| 04:50.06 | stoned | Stevie, ahh yes, I totally forgot about that |
| 04:50.08 | nicolas__ | Stevie: you should edit the manpage and put in what you said |
| 04:50.27 | stoned | Stevie, I've used that numerous times because I forgot where I put the fsckin netinstall kernel/initrd |
| 04:50.27 | nicolas__ | its a lot clearer |
| 04:50.28 | stoned | heh |
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| 04:51.24 | Stevie | nicolas__: You could email the maintainer of openssh-server and ask him to reword it to make it clearer to non-native English speakers |
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| 04:52.19 | Stevie | stoned: In my very early days of using Linux -- back when Slackware was *the* distribution -- some bastard hacked my machine and set root's shell to /sbin/halt. Before I knew how to 'su -c ' that's how I managed to fix things :) |
| 04:52.20 | nicolas__ | Stevie: hahaha |
| 04:52.46 | Stevie | nicolas__: apt-cache show openssh-server | grep Maintainer |
| 04:52.58 | Stevie | it will show the email address of the person who maintains that package |
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| 04:53.33 | nicolas__ | Stevie: really you suggest to email him about is unclearlyness ? |
| 04:53.38 | nicolas__ | s/is/his |
| 04:53.42 | Stevie | It can't hurt to ask :) |
| 04:53.54 | tux | why msg to ChanServ does not pop in another tab in xchat? It flooded in the current canal? |
| 04:54.08 | Stevie | tux: probably because xchat sees chanserv inside of here |
| 04:54.11 | ke6isf | tux: It's a message to your client. |
| 04:54.24 | Stevie | nicolas__: there's probably a special way to contact him to get past spam filters |
| 04:54.38 | tux | Thank you two. :-) |
| 04:54.52 | ke6isf | tux: More specifically, it's a "global". There's a way to configure that so it goes to you as a privmsg, but I can't remember what that is. |
| 04:55.13 | tux | ke6isf: let me see ... |
| 04:55.45 | Stevie | nicolas__: I'd probably put 'Debian package openssh-server' in the subject line of the email |
| 04:56.24 | nicolas__ | Stevie: isnt there a way to post in a wishlist or something ? |
| 04:56.35 | nicolas__ | something more unpersonnal |
| 04:56.37 | Stevie | hrm |
| 04:56.37 | shadow98 | well im back again |
| 04:56.40 | nicolas__ | i dont want to harass him |
| 04:56.41 | nicolas__ | :P |
| 04:56.42 | Stevie | yes, you're right |
| 04:56.51 | shadow98 | didnt last long |
| 04:57.01 | Stevie | didn't? |
| 04:57.03 | nicolas__ | ill have to report a bug anyway |
| 04:57.09 | shadow98 | got a little on me that time |
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| 04:57.35 | nicolas__ | my first bug report :) |
| 04:57.39 | Stevie | hehe |
| 04:57.43 | nicolas__ | hope ill do i right |
| 04:57.51 | Stevie | anybody here know how to file an enhancement request? |
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| 04:58.25 | timo | Stevie, file a bug with severity "Wishlist" |
| 04:58.46 | nicolas__ | timo: yea |
| 04:58.49 | Stevie | okay, now where do I file a bug :) |
| 04:58.50 | nicolas__ | nice |
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| 04:59.02 | nicolas__ | bugs.debian.org i guess |
| 04:59.12 | timo | Stevie, use reportbug |
| 04:59.34 | timo | Stevie, or go to http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
| 05:00.05 | Supaplex | !burp |
| 05:01.50 | nicolas__ | im still wondering why am i the only who noticed this |
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| 05:02.05 | nicolas__ | maybe its caused by a third element |
| 05:02.16 | mike4479 | an someone help me please lspci will not find my wireless linksys card??? |
| 05:02.55 | Supaplex | is your linksys card a cardbus or pci card, or usb or pcmcia or something else? |
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| 05:03.33 | mike4479 | Supaplex: it is a pcmcia |
| 05:03.35 | Supaplex | nicolas__: it's the fifth element. ;) |
| 05:03.57 | Supaplex | mike4479: lspci doesn't show pcmcia cards (unless they're native cardbus). try cardctl info (I think) |
| 05:03.58 | nicolas__ | Supaplex: hehe |
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| 05:04.43 | bleaked | what's the simplest way to get java working in a browser..any will do. i just need it for tonight...so if the solution is quick and dirty, i don't care. |
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| 05:05.07 | mike4479 | Supaplex: command not found, it'sstrange becase there are not even any lights lit on the card |
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| 05:06.19 | ke6isf | !tell bleaked -about java |
| 05:07.21 | basanta | I have acer travelmate , kernel 2.6.15 can give ac adapter status but can give battery status ?? |
| 05:07.21 | basanta | sorry can not give battery status |
| 05:07.40 | mike4479 | Supaplex: command not found, it'strange because there are not even any lights lit on the card |
| 05:07.51 | ke6isf | !installit |
| 05:07.51 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
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| 05:08.28 | roler | is there an electrical circuit type simulator/designer for debian? |
| 05:09.36 | mike4479 | This linksys card is drivin me crazy |
| 05:09.37 | wireddd | what cli app can I use to convert .m4a to .mp3? |
| 05:09.47 | beardy | roler: Browse the "electronic" section of the repository. |
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| 05:10.32 | beardy | roler: have a look at tkgate |
| 05:10.38 | mike4479 | maybe ubuntu will see it |
| 05:10.52 | roler | oooh |
| 05:10.57 | shadow98 | is there an apt package fot BASE which replaced ACID |
| 05:11.15 | Stevie | no |
| 05:11.22 | Stevie | the replacement for ACID was LSD |
| 05:11.29 | Supaplex | mike4479: I accept your annoying hardware. :) |
| 05:11.45 | roler | thanks! |
| 05:11.49 | roler | installing... |
| 05:11.55 | shadow98 | stevie thanks |
| 05:12.09 | mike4479 | Supaplex: it dose work in Danm Small Linux thou |
| 05:12.34 | mike4479 | Idid not install debian with the card in place thou |
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| 05:13.09 | mike4479 | hotplug is installed |
| 05:13.20 | insidius | oh my god, i have just been tasked with finding out where all the spam mail is coming from on my server and i am FREAKING MAN. Im ok at linux use but i aint no expert |
| 05:13.41 | Supaplex | !cheer up insidius |
| 05:13.46 | beardy | roler: also "eagle" and "electric", depending on what you are looking for |
| 05:13.54 | ke6isf | insidius: You're talking about the source of the incoming spam, or the outgoing spam? |
| 05:14.17 | Supaplex | insidius: it's the internet, quick, delete it! ;) |
| 05:14.31 | nicolas__ | ok, now, lets try with keepalive yes |
| 05:14.38 | mike4479 | is there a command to reconfigure the base installition debian |
| 05:15.17 | insidius | Well basically someone is using our server to relay this stuff, send it hope i described that right. I am freaking out too much coffe im telling ya |
| 05:15.22 | mike4479 | laptops area pain in the debian |
| 05:15.27 | beardy | mike4479: funny enough, it's called base-config |
| 05:15.39 | basanta | kernel can't write /proc/acpi/battery/BATO/status in my acer laptop with debian |
| 05:15.44 | unstable | apt-get install gtetrinet then start the gtetrinet program as non-root and connect to tetrinet.debian.net if you want to play some network tetris |
| 05:15.51 | mike4479 | Bbeardy: ok thanks |
| 05:15.55 | roler | thanks |
| 05:15.58 | roler | i like tkgate |
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| 05:16.31 | ke6isf | insidius: OK, what version of Debian, and what MTA? |
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| 05:17.13 | nicolas__ | is it normal that when restarting sshd clients keep their connection? |
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| 05:18.09 | ke6isf | insidius: And more importantly, CALM DOWN. |
| 05:19.39 | Supaplex | nicolas__: if you mean to ask, is it normal for ssh connections to stay alive when sshd is reloaded/restarted, or even stopped, the answer is yes. |
| 05:19.45 | mike4479 | where are the lights |
| 05:19.52 | mike4479 | anyone here got a lappy with pcmcia wireless card working? |
| 05:20.05 | nicolas__ | Supaplex: ok |
| 05:20.34 | nicolas__ | so their using the settings applied to the process |
| 05:20.42 | nicolas__ | to the old process |
| 05:20.49 | Supaplex | nicolas__: reloaded settings only apply to new connections |
| 05:21.06 | beardy | mike4479: Most likely. |
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| 05:21.44 | mike4479 | ya I guess I am just a dumb ass |
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| 05:21.52 | nicolas__ | Supaplex: ok |
| 05:22.15 | nicolas__ | Stevie: i got full activity in strace |
| 05:22.37 | Supaplex | nicolas__: what are you trying to do? |
| 05:22.39 | beardy | mike4479: Just ask your question. |
| 05:22.47 | nicolas__ | always something like gettimeofday time(NULL) |
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| 05:23.03 | Supaplex | nicolas__: not *it* but *YOU* |
| 05:23.25 | Supaplex | mike4479: what have you done to research this so far? |
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| 05:23.40 | basanta | bleaked, search for libjavaplugin_oji.so file and make a link to the mozilla plugin folder |
| 05:23.42 | nicolas__ | Supaplex: to prove that the KeepAlive yes open in sshd_config is crashing the whole system (server-side) when a client connection timeouts |
| 05:24.19 | basanta | bleaked, mozilla/plugins/ folder |
| 05:25.07 | nicolas__ | s/open/option |
| 05:25.10 | basanta | bleaked, ln -s /path/to/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/local/mozilla/plugins/ |
| 05:25.24 | Supaplex | nicolas__: sounds fun. were you asking this recently? I know someone was saying the same thing just last night/earlier today. |
| 05:25.38 | nicolas__ | Supaplex: yea |
| 05:25.41 | nicolas__ | its probably me |
| 05:25.46 | shadow98 | PHP build incomplete: the prerequisite MySQL support required to read the alert database was not built into PHP. Please recompile PHP with the necessary library (--with-mysql) |
| 05:25.53 | shadow98 | how would i fix this error |
| 05:26.16 | shadow98 | it install php when install acidlab using apt-get |
| 05:26.23 | basanta | any one having ploblem showing battery status |
| 05:26.40 | Supaplex | shadow98: you'll have to install the php mysql plugin / lib(s) |
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| 05:26.53 | Supaplex | shadow98: /msg dpkg search |
| 05:26.54 | Stevie | shadow98: acidlab? are you sure it's not installing pcp? |
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| 05:26.59 | shadow98 | Supaplex: and what are those |
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| 05:27.11 | shadow98 | stevie: it is not |
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| 05:27.30 | kapil | basanta: cat /proc/acpi/battery/*/state |
| 05:27.53 | cafuego | Stevie: There are no pcp packages afaik. |
| 05:27.56 | basanta | kapil , empty |
| 05:28.22 | basanta | ls /proc/acpi/battery/ == empty |
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| 05:28.50 | shadow98 | Supaplex: any ideas what those might be? |
| 05:29.14 | basanta | kapil, but /proc/acpi/ac_adapter/ADPI/status is there |
| 05:29.19 | kapil | basanta: have you loaded "battery" acpi module? |
| 05:29.22 | SerajewelKS | wow, eclipse managed to crash X |
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| 05:29.55 | basanta | kapil, do I have to do it explicit for battery ?? how to do that? |
| 05:30.23 | bk_ankur | I am using kernel 2.6.8-2 and i want to copy 4.4GB of data from one IDE to another attached to the same system. But i can only copy 4.0 GB. any suggestions.. |
| 05:30.25 | kapil | basanta: "modprobe battery" should work. |
| 05:30.29 | Supaplex | shadow98: did you /msg dpkg search ? I provide fishing poles, and not so many fish. |
| 05:30.36 | basanta | kapil, let me try |
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| 05:31.45 | basanta | kapil, no improvement |
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| 05:33.22 | kapil | basanta: sorry to hear that. can't help you then. |
| 05:33.31 | chance2105 | I have an issue with a binary not working on my sparc box. Is this a better issue for the debian-user mailing list, or debian-sparc? |
| 05:33.49 | ke6isf | chance2105: Try debian-sparc. What are the symptoms? |
| 05:33.53 | shadow98 | did return anything |
| 05:34.03 | hatake_kakashi | is there anyway to list the disks inside Busybox? (Debian Sarge 3.1 rev0a installation console) |
| 05:34.03 | chance2105 | ke6isf: xine, totem crash right out of the gate |
| 05:34.13 | basanta | kapil, its ok , may be someone else can lets see thanks anyway |
| 05:35.04 | Supaplex | shadow98: did, or did not? |
| 05:35.19 | shadow98 | did not |
| 05:35.30 | ke6isf | chance2105: Could be anything, I suppose. Seg fault or something? |
| 05:35.31 | shadow98 | i did /msg dpkg search php and then php mysql |
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| 05:36.17 | Supaplex | That was literal. |
| 05:36.22 | kspath_ | Sad/Amusing info for #debian people to laugh about perhaps. Someone/Something dumbed down the grep in Ubuntu to ignore case by default but man page does not reflect that. At least in Breezy. Someone just told me it still works right in Dapper. Just thought you all might appreciate the humor in that. |
| 05:36.35 | chance2105 | ke6isf: With xine, it's a sure seg-fault (reports bus error). With totem, I expect it's something similar. It might be a configuration issue, but it's a fresh install, so I'm at a loss. |
| 05:37.00 | ke6isf | kspath_: That would be done in an aliases config somewhere, but yeah, that's kinda sad. |
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| 05:37.27 | ke6isf | chance2105: Could be anything. Not knowing sparc, you'd have to ask the list. |
| 05:37.43 | shadow98 | Supaplex: any ideas |
| 05:37.52 | kspath_ | I was testing some greps in Debian and BSDs and Redhat and Ubuntu and the Ubuntus kicked out extra output which made me wonder wtf. |
| 05:37.58 | hatake_kakashi | I presume noone has a clue on how to see what sort of equivalent to 'fdisk -l' under Sarge rev0a installation shell? (Busybox) |
| 05:38.20 | Supaplex | shadow98, yea, apt-cache search php |grep mysql |
| 05:38.31 | ke6isf | I've noticed that 'rm' aliases to 'rm -i' almost universally. |
| 05:38.36 | zinx | uhm |
| 05:38.39 | zinx | not in debian |
| 05:38.55 | ke6isf | zinx: Dunno, that seems to be the case for eveyrone but root in Sarge. |
| 05:39.17 | ke6isf | zinx: 'course, it could just be carryover from an old Mandreck install, which would put that sort of thing in each user directory. |
| 05:39.22 | zinx | ke6isf: not here... |
| 05:39.39 | ke6isf | zinx: You running Sarge? |
| 05:39.42 | zinx | debian's default stuff does no aliasing to rm -i, afaik |
| 05:39.43 | zinx | no, sid |
| 05:40.02 | zinx | if you override your ~/.profile or ~/.bashrc or ~/.whatevertheheckyouuse, then it's your own fault :D |
| 05:40.17 | ke6isf | zinx: Well, still kinda nice to have that in there. |
| 05:40.26 | zinx | i hate it, personally |
| 05:40.37 | ke6isf | zinx: To each his own, I guess. |
| 05:40.50 | kspath_ | ke6isf: I called grep directly via /bin/grep and also tried /bin/egrep and same issue. I was horrified a bit. |
| 05:41.02 | hatake_kakashi | ... |
| 05:41.18 | ke6isf | kspath_: How do you override that -i in grep? |
| 05:41.29 | deadcat | grep -- "-i" |
| 05:41.43 | kspath_ | ke6isf: I had checked with which/whereis/locate to make sure I had it right. |
| 05:41.46 | ke6isf | deadcat: eh? |
| 05:41.50 | deadcat | oh? |
| 05:42.09 | dondelelcaro | just /bin/grep |
| 05:42.17 | deadcat | or \grep |
| 05:42.29 | ke6isf | ...I wonder then if they compiled it in. |
| 05:42.30 | kspath_ | ke6isf: -i is to ignore case by default it is sensitive everywhere else but their distro |
| 05:42.54 | ke6isf | kspath_: Yeah, I know - and I am used to that. |
| 05:43.00 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: any progress on the extreme card? |
| 05:43.01 | ke6isf | dondelelcaro: Ubuntu. You do the math. |
| 05:43.04 | kspath_ | dondelelcaro: dumbing it down for their userbase |
| 05:43.14 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: heard it works on the latest kernel with a patch |
| 05:43.17 | kspath_ | dondelelcaro: That was my guess anyway. |
| 05:43.27 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: it associates, but haven't bothered playing with it |
| 05:43.31 | nvz | dondelelcaro: stupidity |
| 05:43.33 | deadcat | oh |
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| 05:43.57 | nvz | dondelelcaro: ignorance rather |
| 05:44.09 | dondelelcaro | haven't gotten it to send data yet, but it's possible that the recent versions do |
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| 05:44.23 | neuterspAWAY | You guys don't sleep much |
| 05:44.29 | ke6isf | Well, it makes it easier for the room temp IQ crowd to get into Linux, apparently. I don't see how.... |
| 05:44.30 | nvz | igrep - Ignorant grep for stupid people |
| 05:44.32 | deadcat | neuterspAWAY: i am sleep typing |
| 05:44.35 | insidius | sorry was on the phone to a customer, How do i find out which version of debian and mta is running? |
| 05:44.40 | ke6isf | neuterspAWAY: Sleep is for the weak! |
| 05:44.41 | neuterspAWAY | lol |
| 05:44.53 | nvz | neuterspAWAY: I'm at work and they'll send me home if I sleep |
| 05:44.56 | ke6isf | insidius: cat /debian/version |
| 05:45.01 | neuterspAWAY | Rofl. |
| 05:45.06 | dondelelcaro | insidius: cat /etc/debian_version; dpkg -l libc6 yourmta; |
| 05:45.07 | nvz | neuterspAWAY: so I get online when I am not suppose to instead |
| 05:45.12 | neuterspAWAY | They don't mind if you IRC though? |
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| 05:45.31 | Stevie | A properly configured IRC client looks like work |
| 05:45.32 | nvz | neuterspAWAY: what they dont know wont hurt them, as far as they know I dont have internet access on this box |
| 05:45.41 | nvz | neuterspAWAY: little do they know I know how to tunnel |
| 05:45.49 | Stevie | nvz: ssh -L ? |
| 05:45.51 | Flimzy | Stevie: ?? |
| 05:45.56 | nvz | Stevie: ;) |
| 05:45.59 | neuterspAWAY | How did the hacker break out of jail? |
| 05:46.04 | neuterspAWAY | a: http-tunnel |
| 05:46.10 | hatake_kakashi | anyone using Busybox under Sarge rev0a? |
| 05:46.16 | ke6isf | !defenestrate neuterspAWAY |
| 05:46.23 | ke6isf | ...crud, there's no defenestrate |
| 05:46.23 | dondelelcaro | hatake_kakashi: just ask your question |
| 05:46.25 | Flimzy | neuterspAWAY: I broke out of work that way |
| 05:46.32 | neuterspAWAY | I can see that. |
| 05:46.34 | nvz | me too |
| 05:46.36 | neuterspAWAY | Haha. |
| 05:46.37 | neuterspAWAY | night guys. |
| 05:46.37 | dondelelcaro | or use your sharingan... |
| 05:46.53 | Stevie | nvz: I worked at a company that blocked 22, but not 23. I wrote a program on a throwaway shell that I could login and run and it turned it into a relay to an irc server |
| 05:47.02 | Flimzy | hatake_kakashi: Uhm... I've used busybox, but not sure why you'd use it in sarge. |
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| 05:47.17 | nvz | Stevie: what I want is a lightweight http proxy I can install as a system service |
| 05:47.26 | ke6isf | insidius: You can also possibly 'telnet localhost 25' and find out from the issue. |
| 05:47.43 | Flimzy | nvz: You do realize that the concept of "system service" doesn't really exist in the Unix world, right? |
| 05:47.57 | hatake_kakashi | dondelelcaro: I already asked my question, yet it fell on deaf ears or should I say blind eyes twice. I'm in Sarge rev0a installer and am stuck with Busybox whilst in installation shell. My question is how am I supposed to see the partitions under fdisk? the hard disks are detected but I cannot see the partitions from the shell |
| 05:48.04 | shadow98 | anybody know how i can test to see if snort is logging correctly... |
| 05:48.12 | dondelelcaro | hatake_kakashi: fdisk -l /dev/foo; should show them. |
| 05:48.27 | dondelelcaro | hatake_kakashi: if not, check /proc/partitions and/or dmesg |
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| 05:48.44 | hatake_kakashi | dondelelcaro: doesn't show. I tried cfdisk just then it comes up an error that says cannot open disk drive |
| 05:48.55 | insidius | Ok all i got from debian version was : TESTING/UNSTABLE |
| 05:49.03 | dondelelcaro | hatake_kakashi: what does it output? |
| 05:49.10 | insidius | We use sendmail and teapop |
| 05:49.19 | dondelelcaro | insidius: that means you're either runing testing or unstable; apt-cache policy sendmail; will tell you which of the two it is. |
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| 05:49.29 | dondelelcaro | insidius: and you really shouldn't be running either on a production machine. |
| 05:50.13 | ke6isf | sendmail. Oh bloody hell. |
| 05:50.13 | hatake_kakashi | ahh yes, that's more like it, with cat /proc/partitions. Now I am stuck with the need to create partitions and all under fdisk/cfdisk because I need to convert data before I can allocate space on linux, is that possible or am I stuck with the need to get a liveCD/DVD? |
| 05:50.13 | dondelelcaro | hatake_kakashi: /dev/sda1 1 4462 35840983+ 83 Linux <-- fdisk -l output. |
| 05:50.23 | insidius | Oh its how its been setup bythe main server guy, he is a real nut this system is so complicated and customised its not funny |
| 05:50.26 | dondelelcaro | hatake_kakashi: it's easy, just use fdisk /dev/foo; |
| 05:50.32 | insidius | Installed: (none) |
| 05:50.32 | ke6isf | insidius: 'dpkg -l libc6'? |
| 05:50.32 | insidius | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:50.32 | insidius | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:50.32 | insidius | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:50.35 | hatake_kakashi | dondelelcaro: fdisk -l or any fdisk -l /dev/* variant shows up nothing |
| 05:50.45 | ke6isf | !tell insidius -about flood |
| 05:50.50 | dondelelcaro | hatake_kakashi: not even the first Disk /dev/sda: 36.7 GB, 36703934464 bytes; line or similar? |
| 05:50.58 | dondelelcaro | insidius: fire him, and don't let him touch your servers again. |
| 05:51.34 | hatake_kakashi | dondelelcaro: it returns 'Unable to open up /dev/hda' when I typed fdisk /dev/hda. However under 'cat /proc/partitions' it does show up hda and the two partitions under it |
| 05:51.37 | ke6isf | insidius: What dondelelcaro said. =O.o= |
| 05:51.40 | insidius | He set the all up and the company himself i dont have a choice really, sorry about pasting that many lines of text :( |
| 05:51.52 | dondelelcaro | hatake_kakashi: you're doing this as root, right? |
| 05:51.59 | dondelelcaro | hatake_kakashi: does ls -l /dev/hda; show up? |
| 05:52.00 | insidius | libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 |
| 05:52.03 | ke6isf | insidius: You don't have root access, do you? |
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| 05:52.12 | hatake_kakashi | dondelelcaro: root, but under busy box of Debian Sarge rev0a installer shell |
| 05:52.15 | insidius | I do, i am running as root now |
| 05:52.15 | ke6isf | dondelelcaro: Do you recognize that libc6 version? |
| 05:52.20 | dondelelcaro | !+info libc6 etch |
| 05:52.22 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 05:52.28 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.5-13 (etch), Packaged size: 4911 kB, Installed size: 16728 kB |
| 05:52.32 | dondelelcaro | ke6isf: no... I've seen so many of them... |
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| 05:52.39 | dondelelcaro | must be stable |
| 05:52.42 | dondelelcaro | !+info libc6 stable |
| 05:52.42 | hatake_kakashi | dondelelcaro: I don't think its even mounted. I presume I could however, that could not be the issue could it? |
| 05:52.43 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 05:52.46 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22 (sarge), Packaged size: 4784 kB, Installed size: 15548 kB |
| 05:52.53 | dondelelcaro | ah yes... hello sarge. |
| 05:53.03 | ke6isf | dondelelcaro: Wait, though, that debian_version is differeing. |
| 05:53.19 | ke6isf | insidius: Do me a favor, go to #flood and paste your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:53.31 | dondelelcaro | insidius: or better, the entire apt-cache policy; output. |
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| 05:53.48 | dondelelcaro | hatake_kakashi: do you see a /dev/ide/ or similar? |
| 05:53.48 | ke6isf | dondelelcaro: ooh, good one. |
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| 05:54.03 | morphin | hi |
| 05:54.19 | insidius | Wow i cant yet lol mail im checking mail queue and its now bigger then ever have to wait a second |
| 05:54.37 | hatake_kakashi | dondelelcaro: yep, should I use those instead of /dev/hda and/or /dev/sda? |
| 05:54.48 | ke6isf | insidius: Stop the MTA now. If you're being relay raped, that's the fastest way to stop that. |
| 05:55.01 | nvz | Flimzy: what the hell does that have to do with windows xp professional; |
| 05:55.12 | dondelelcaro | hatake_kakashi: ah, yeah, it'll be something like /dev/ide/bus0/disk0/disk or something |
| 05:55.29 | nvz | Flimzy: I am using analogx right now but its easily seen as the two chevrons near the clock in the systray give it away |
| 05:55.42 | Flimzy | nvz: Why the hell do you expect #Debian to help you with Windows XP Professional? |
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| 05:56.00 | nvz | Flimzy: I dont expect #debian to help me with anything |
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| 05:56.14 | Flimzy | nvz: Ahh. Well then I suppose you're in luck. |
| 05:56.19 | insidius | Hmm if i shut that down for now, what happens to emails that are sent? I am in a real flurry here because people will kill me if there mail just gets destroyed |
| 05:56.27 | nvz | I've been here long enough to know better than to expect anything |
| 05:56.28 | hatake_kakashi | dondelelcaro: heh, so the thing is if I were to do a fair bit of copying and pasting data making allocatable space for debian installation, I have to do all that? hmm looks like a little more painstaking than what I thought of :| |
| 05:56.30 | insidius | is that flooding by the way? |
| 05:56.33 | ke6isf | insidius: They get held up at the source for a few hours. |
| 05:56.34 | dondelelcaro | /dev/universe0/solarsystem/earth/northamerica/california/riverside/riverside/ucr/spieth/1304/leftside/machine3/ide0/bus0/subbus3/disk1/part3.24 |
| 05:56.39 | ke6isf | insidius: That's what flood is for. |
| 05:57.02 | insidius | I posted that thing in flood for you |
| 05:57.02 | ke6isf | insidius: I wouldn't advise this if it fucked up inbound mail. Just do it. |
| 05:57.12 | ke6isf | insidius: Yeah, I saw this. |
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| 05:57.28 | ke6isf | insidius: That said, what domain is this for? |
| 05:57.31 | meat | DCC SEND anylongrandomstringhere |
| 05:57.32 | dondelelcaro | hatake_kakashi: there's a more "user friendly" partitioner in the installer, but it's not quite as flexible as operating fdisk manually. |
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| 05:57.45 | insidius | Its for a whole lot of domains |
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| 05:58.45 | hatake_kakashi | dondelelcaro: hmm.. ok, thanks, I'll probably look into getting the latest liveCD/liveDVD and do all the hard disk re-arrangements from there. Thanks |
| 05:59.22 | insidius | Im trying to stop sendmail, its just sitting there at the moment, It has not dropped me back to command line yet |
| 05:59.23 | ke6isf | meat is klined. |
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| 05:59.38 | ke6isf | insidius: Did you use /etc/init.d/sendmail for the purpose? |
| 05:59.41 | dondelelcaro | erikm, bcc, roler, Diazepam: please connect to freenode using 8000 instad. |
| 06:00.09 | insidius | Just did it from root ke6isf as /etc/init.d/sendmail did not exits |
| 06:00.13 | insidius | exist sorry |
| 06:00.17 | dondelelcaro | yeesh |
| 06:00.26 | dondelelcaro | this machine setup is just getting worse and worse |
| 06:00.32 | insidius | Im sorry |
| 06:00.34 | ke6isf | dondelelcaro: What was your server guy smoking?! |
| 06:00.50 | insidius | This thing just stresses me, i hate this job so much |
| 06:00.53 | dondelelcaro | ke6isf: his brain, apparently... |
| 06:01.07 | ke6isf | insidius: Is your server guy still with this company? Are there any repercussions if you remodel the server? |
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| 06:01.34 | insidius | Yes last time i did something he told me he was gonna take my balls |
| 06:01.56 | insidius | so i should not of done:root@example: sendmail stop |
| 06:02.24 | insidius | Im not real smart when it comes to linux you see |
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| 06:02.44 | insidius | I have only been serioulsy using it for about 3 months and i still dont know a lot heh |
| 06:03.42 | dondelelcaro | well, you're in a situtation where unfortunatly, you're learning from someone who doesn't know much either... |
| 06:03.43 | insidius | *Wanders off for the salvation that only coffee can offer* |
| 06:04.04 | insidius | He tells me to call him and ask for help, so i do and get told to f**K off |
| 06:04.22 | insidius | I knew nothing and got told here are 4 servers. make them work or else |
| 06:04.49 | dondelelcaro | insidius: here's a tip: hire a consultant |
| 06:05.15 | bony | i am facing problem's with pppoe it is disconnecting very frequently don't know what the problem is. the system is debian sarge stable i installed the rp-pppoe package and use pppoe-start and stop command's to start and stop pppoe. i even contacted the dsl provider's they say that the line and connectivity is ok and asked me to check my system. please help me on this it is geting very hard for me with out net. |
| 06:05.16 | dondelelcaro | good ones who know Debian backwards and forwards can be found at debian.org/consultants; they range from $30-200/hr |
| 06:05.41 | bony | i joined the channel #pppoe but no one is their in the channel |
| 06:05.44 | ke6isf | brb |
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| 06:06.07 | insidius | I wish i could dondelelcaro |
| 06:06.25 | insidius | But we can not afford it, hell i do 16 hour days for 300 a week |
| 06:06.41 | wireddd | is this in the US? |
| 06:06.42 | dondelelcaro | yick |
| 06:07.12 | wireddd | Austrailia? |
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| 06:07.22 | Daveman | :x |
| 06:07.54 | deadcat | man. under ssh bruteforce attack again! |
| 06:08.18 | wireddd | what? |
| 06:08.22 | ke6isf | insidius: Allow me to give my insight. |
| 06:08.56 | ke6isf | insidius: The problem with what you have been tasked with is that your admin is asking you to do the impossible - stop the spam from coming in, as near as I can tell. Is this correct? |
| 06:08.56 | insidius | yeah australian dollars |
| 06:09.22 | insidius | yes, that is almost correct, he wants me to find out where it is coming from and stop it |
| 06:09.47 | ke6isf | insidius: And that is an impossible task, because locating it and stopping it is like playing Whack-A-Mole. |
| 06:10.01 | insidius | Fun and entertaining? |
| 06:10.02 | ke6isf | insidius: You stop from one IP, and four more become the feed bots for the spammers. |
| 06:10.12 | ke6isf | insidius: Fun, if you are a masochist, yes. |
| 06:10.25 | insidius | Sorry, im trying not to stress |
| 06:10.38 | ke6isf | insidius: Don't worry, it's not worth stressing for. Allow me to continue. |
| 06:11.09 | ke6isf | insidius: With this in mind, the only way to stop this is not to stem the source of the spam, but the source of the problem: the MTA. You either have to tell Sendmail to stop allowing open relay, or change to an MTA that does. |
| 06:11.30 | insidius | The MTA being sendmail? |
| 06:11.32 | ke6isf | insidius: My first suggestion would be to remove Sendmail and replace it with postfix, however your server guy has made it clear that he does not wish you to make those kind of changes. |
| 06:11.36 | ke6isf | insidius: Yes, that is correct. |
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| 06:12.08 | ke6isf | !sendmail |
| 06:12.08 | dpkg | i heard sendmail is one of the orginal MTAs. Generally, if you don't know why you'd want to run sendmail, you shouldn't. Use nullmailer, esmtp, exim or postfix instead. |
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| 06:12.56 | ke6isf | insidius: The only people I've seen who still run it are a) familiar with it, b) have religious attachments to it, or c) are masochistic - usually a combination of two of those. |
| 06:13.12 | ke6isf | insidius: add d) know why they want to run it. |
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| 06:13.38 | insidius | Aha i found a revelation, sort of |
| 06:14.25 | ke6isf | insidius: So all this said, I hate to say, but the only appropriate solution here is to RTFM. http://www.sendmail.org/tips/relaying.html |
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| 06:15.06 | ke6isf | insidius: You'll have to get into the sendmail config file, wherever that is, and start tooling around. |
| 06:15.21 | ke6isf | insidius: What'd you find? |
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| 06:15.30 | wireddd | what do they pay your server guy to do? |
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| 06:16.29 | insidius | It is using postfix, but there is remants of sendmail lying round |
| 06:16.32 | ke6isf | wireddd: Apparently, be a BOFH. |
| 06:16.33 | insidius | i just shutdown postfic |
| 06:16.40 | ke6isf | insidius: OK, that makes it easier./ |
| 06:17.01 | ke6isf | insidius: Postfix is not geared to be an open relay by default. So he must have changed something. |
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| 06:18.33 | olUKelebek | how can i download a debian? |
| 06:18.44 | olUKelebek | how much cd? |
| 06:18.59 | Flimzy | olUKelebek: Go to debian.org, you can download it there. |
| 06:19.05 | ice_1963 | it's free |
| 06:19.12 | ke6isf | insidius: OK, go to /etc/postfix and open up main.cf |
| 06:19.14 | olUKelebek | i am now in debian site |
| 06:19.21 | ke6isf | !get debian |
| 06:19.22 | olUKelebek | how much cd debian? |
| 06:19.25 | olUKelebek | !get debian |
| 06:19.32 | ke6isf | olUKelebek: That doesn't work, sorry. |
| 06:19.42 | olUKelebek | this is not problem |
| 06:19.45 | ke6isf | olUKelebek: Is there a reason you'd prefer to buy a CD rather than download? |
| 06:19.47 | Flimzy | olUKelebek: What do you mean 'how much cd debian?' |
| 06:19.50 | olUKelebek | debian is 7 iso image? |
| 06:19.57 | ke6isf | !tell olUKelebek -about netinst |
| 06:20.06 | ice_1963 | lol |
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| 06:20.10 | ke6isf | Zeeba |
| 06:20.17 | insidius | Ok done, yeah i used the net install on my hoe server |
| 06:20.21 | Flimzy | olUKelebek: What language do you speak natively? |
| 06:20.29 | olUKelebek | i dont speak english |
| 06:20.39 | ke6isf | insidius: OK, you're looking at main.cf? |
| 06:20.43 | Flimzy | olUKelebek: What language do you speak? |
| 06:20.49 | olUKelebek | turkish |
| 06:20.53 | ke6isf | !tr |
| 06:20.53 | dpkg | somebody said tr was türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr, or http://www.hermessoft.com/newproject/keyboards/kbd/turkish1.gif |
| 06:21.05 | insidius | Yes i am |
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| 06:21.25 | ke6isf | insidius: Look for the string 'vrfy' - does the 'disable_vrfy_command' option appear anywhere? |
| 06:21.33 | olUKelebek | we are sleeping :( |
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| 06:21.40 | ke6isf | insidius: We're going to do some fairly basic auditing of your file, so this should be easy. |
| 06:23.04 | ke6isf | insidius: Use the editor's search command, by the way. |
| 06:23.16 | insidius | isable_vrfy_command = yes |
| 06:23.33 | ke6isf | insidius: Good. Next step, look for smtpd_helo_required |
| 06:23.54 | insidius | This is wierd, it has ip adresses that we accept mail from as well as a list of spam sites that we use to blacklist |
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| 06:23.58 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 06:23.59 | dpkg | [popcon] the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 06:24.05 | ice_1963 | how can i make a cd image iso with cdw? |
| 06:24.16 | deadcat | ice_1963: cdrecord |
| 06:24.21 | deadcat | nevermind |
| 06:24.26 | insidius | How do i search for a sting in emacs? |
| 06:24.31 | ice_1963 | ok |
| 06:24.33 | insidius | god i hate emacs |
| 06:24.36 | ke6isf | insidius: C-s |
| 06:25.28 | ke6isf | insidius: (I meant Ctrl-S, btw. |
| 06:25.31 | ke6isf | ) |
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| 06:27.32 | olUKelebek | how can i download a full debian iso image files? |
| 06:27.34 | insidius | check flood ke6isf |
| 06:27.42 | olUKelebek | please give me direct download adres |
| 06:28.11 | jm_ | how about you go to www.debian.org and find it there? |
| 06:28.31 | ke6isf | insidius: Looks OK so far. What abut that helo string? |
| 06:28.35 | insidius | jm_ his english aint great |
| 06:28.41 | insidius | i could not find that string |
| 06:28.45 | zinx | helo? not ehlo? |
| 06:28.45 | jm_ | insidius: it looks very good to me |
| 06:28.45 | Stevie-O | 250 Stevie-O |
| 06:29.29 | ke6isf | insidius: Then put in 'smtpd_helo_required = yes' toward the top of the file. |
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| 06:29.43 | ke6isf | zinx: ehlo might be better.... |
| 06:29.49 | ke6isf | insidius: Wait on that helo line. |
| 06:30.14 | ke6isf | insidius: the string allow_untrusted_routing - is that in there? |
| 06:30.55 | ke6isf | insidius: If it is present, is it set to 'no'? |
| 06:31.09 | insidius | sorry 1 minute |
| 06:31.20 | ke6isf | insidius: OK. |
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| 06:36.49 | ke6isf | insidius: For what it's worth, the sendmail "leftovers" might be part of the sendmail compatibility stuff in postfix. Not sure about that. |
| 06:37.57 | insidius | Ok |
| 06:38.06 | insidius | 2 things after speaking to admin guy |
| 06:38.16 | ke6isf | insidius: What's the good word? |
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| 06:38.37 | insidius | we have that alooe_untrusted_routing thing off and the rest of it |
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| 06:38.58 | ke6isf | insidius: as in off, it's set to "no" explicitely? |
| 06:39.13 | insidius | but the mail is being spammed from within our own network, possible trojan control |
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| 06:39.56 | ke6isf | insidius: OK, that helps to pinpoint it. Determine where your log file is for mail, and do a 'tail -f' on this. It might be /var/log/syslog, but your admin might have it set as elsewhere. |
| 06:40.16 | ke6isf | insidius: By your own network, do you mean your own lan, or a client computer outside of your lan? |
| 06:40.28 | insidius | Client computer outside of lan |
| 06:40.46 | insidius | mail.log? |
| 06:40.56 | mylo | can i remove a package and all it's dependencies ? |
| 06:40.58 | ke6isf | insidius: Probably mail.log. That should give you the IP address of the source. |
| 06:41.13 | mylo | I know how to remove a package, but not the dependencies |
| 06:41.31 | ke6isf | insidius: With that information, you can block him at the firewall. Make sure you leave a note as to why you did that, so when he calls support, they know why you did it. |
| 06:41.48 | ludwig_ | Hallo! |
| 06:42.12 | insidius | I cant keep the file still, how do i view it without it moving, the text is flying |
| 06:42.18 | insidius | cat mail.log? |
| 06:42.19 | ke6isf | insidius: Ctrl-S |
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| 06:42.26 | ke6isf | insidius: No, tail -f mail.log |
| 06:42.28 | insidius | there we go |
| 06:42.32 | dondelelcaro | mylo: that's why you use aptitude, deborphan, or debfoster. |
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| 06:43.00 | ke6isf | insidius: Should note that, if postfix is still stopped, you won't see activity - but this will still likely give you a clue. |
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| 06:43.36 | insidius | away for ten |
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| 06:44.13 | ludwig_ | I wrote a script for backup on an external USB drive, where I first "modprobe -r usb-storage" to load it again after some delay. This leads to a new SCSI-BUS at every load - the system is not at scsi47 ... How can I detach the usb-storage from the scsi-emulation? |
| 06:44.32 | jm_ | ludwig_: why do you want to detach it at all? |
| 06:44.43 | ke6isf | insidius: I have to go to bed shortly, so I'llb e unable to help further. Just use the information in your mail.log, and solve it on the user end - instruct them to clean up their system. If they don't cooperate, disuser them - you don't need the pain. Good luck. |
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| 06:45.53 | ludwig_ | jm_, I want to reload the module because I experienced problems when changing the disk (the disk not being recognized) ... |
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| 06:46.23 | Sebo | Hi!! Finnaly my xserver started :) but it still doesn't do without my help :| When I tourn up my computer it doesn't works and says that there is no /dev/input/mice (while there is ;P ) then to start it i have to # rmmod psmouse; # modprobe psmouse; $ startx ... I don't understand why psmouse doesn't works while loaded from /etc/modules :/ and what should i done to makie it do so?? |
| 06:46.46 | jm_ | ludwig_: ok, but why is it bothering you that it's using new SCSI each time? |
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| 06:48.01 | ludwig_ | jm_, it is unsane! |
| 06:48.13 | jm_ | ludwig_: yes, but you can't avoid it |
| 06:48.15 | Sebo | any ideas ;> |
| 06:48.49 | ludwig_ | jm_, I do not know what happens when scsi9999999999999 is reached ... |
| 06:49.07 | ludwig_ | Sebo, do You use "udev"? |
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| 06:49.37 | jm_ | Sebo: put it in /etc/modules |
| 06:49.38 | ludwig_ | jm_, (where I do not know when the limit of scsi busses is reached) |
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| 06:50.08 | ludwig_ | jm_, as the script is started 4 times a night ... |
| 06:50.12 | jm_ | ludwig_: it won't be reached, max. number of SCSI devices is 16 as per devices.txt |
| 06:50.21 | Sebo | ludwig_: what it is and how to check it ;> jm_: i've got it there :) |
| 06:50.58 | ludwig_ | Sebo, look if "/dev/.static/dev/input/mice" exists |
| 06:51.24 | ludwig_ | jm_, the numer of SCSI _devices_ is 16, but obviously not of busses ... |
| 06:51.36 | jm_ | ludwig_: wait, no it's not, it's split over several regions, it's 256 |
| 06:52.27 | jm_ | Sebo: perhaps you're not loading other modules at that time |
| 06:52.54 | Sebo | ludwig_: even /dev/.static does not exists :] |
| 06:53.17 | ludwig_ | Sebo, I have the same problem with several devices since Debian has switched to udev ... All the devices found BEFORE "udevd" started get moved to "/dev/.static/dev" ... by unloading and loading the device again the device is boudn to the correct directory ... |
| 06:53.34 | ludwig_ | Sebo, have a look if You have the script "/dev/MAKEDEV" |
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| 06:53.46 | jm_ | MAKEDEV won't work if you ar eusing udev |
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| 06:54.28 | rss | Is it not possible to use an unmodified CueCat Barcode Scanner with Tellico or Alexandria |
| 06:54.29 | ludwig_ | jm_, /sbin/MAKEDEV works quite fine |
| 06:54.59 | jm_ | ludwig_: no it doesn't |
| 06:55.00 | deadcat | any myth buff here? deimos and phobus (fear and terror), so i assume deimos is fear? phobus sounds liek fear to me.. not sure |
| 06:55.39 | jm_ | elif [ -d .udevdb/ ] && [ "`pwd`" = /dev ]; then |
| 06:55.39 | jm_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:55.39 | Sebo | yep there is /dev/MAKEDEV (as symbolik link to /sbin/MAKEDEV ;P ) |
| 06:55.47 | jm_ | there, that's from MAKEDEV script |
| 06:56.03 | ludwig_ | jm_, it does. Insert as first thing "WRITE_ON_UDEV=1" and it works |
| 06:56.20 | jm_ | ludwig_: ok, let me correct it - it won't do it by default |
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| 06:57.09 | ludwig_ | jm_, I experienced by default it puts everything in /dev/.static/dev ... |
| 06:57.14 | ludwig_ | if [ "$WRITE_ON_UDEV" ]; then |
| 06:57.14 | ludwig_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:57.14 | ludwig_ | elif [ -d /dev/.static/dev/ ] && [ "`pwd`" = /dev ] && [ -e /proc/mounts ] \ |
| 06:57.14 | ludwig_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:57.26 | ludwig_ | sorry! |
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| 06:58.17 | jm_ | indeed - it's not a problem for someone who know what they're doing |
| 06:58.38 | ludwig_ | jm_, I now only have the problem with the initrd modules ... |
| 06:58.57 | mylo | dondelelcaro, great , thanks. |
| 06:59.09 | jm_ | I hate initrd with a passion :) |
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| 07:01.30 | ludwig_ | jm_, I solved it by MAKEDEVving the devices I need (irda, sound) - even if already loaded, they get bound to the right directory. Still having problems with the CD-RW, I do not know what devices dvdrecord/cdrecord uses for ATAPI-emulation |
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| 07:02.36 | jm_ | ludwig_: sg*, but you shouldn't use ATAPI emualtion with recent kernels, use IDE devices |
| 07:02.36 | bk_ankur | how to format partition using ntfs |
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| 07:02.56 | ludwig_ | bk_ankur, ntfsutils |
| 07:02.58 | deconvolution | WTF, I am trying to download msn messenger 7.0 by using firefox under debian, and it says "The page cannot be found" and then I turned to IE6 by using wine it is fine. |
| 07:03.18 | ludwig_ | bk_ankur, pay attention the standard-kernel still does not support NTFS-writing! |
| 07:03.33 | ludwig_ | jm_, what device creates the sg* devices? |
| 07:03.38 | cheal | deconvolution: I'm sure Sir Gates will care if you tell him |
| 07:03.42 | ludwig_ | jm_, what MODULE creates the sg* devices? |
| 07:03.43 | bk_ankur | ohh okey.. thanks ludwig_ |
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| 07:04.22 | jm_ | ludwig_: you don't need to know because I just told you to not use them ;) |
| 07:04.37 | peterS | ludwig_: not true, 2.6.15 supports writing somewhat. just not in all cases, and what is there is not considered stable. |
| 07:04.57 | jm_ | ludwig_: but anyway, it's sg module |
| 07:05.17 | ludwig_ | jm_, I mean "dvdrecord dev=ATAPI:0,0,0" - not the ide-scsi ... |
| 07:05.29 | deconvolution | cheal: thats a pretty stupid way to block |
| 07:05.33 | ludwig_ | jm_, and what module should it be for "dev=ATA:0,0,0"? |
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| 07:06.08 | tux | j #debian-zh |
| 07:06.10 | peterS | ludwig_: doesn't dvdrecord support the cdrecord functionality of "dev=/dev/hdc"? |
| 07:06.25 | jm_ | ludwig_: that is plain IDE device |
| 07:06.28 | ludwig_ | peterS, OK |
| 07:06.53 | ludwig_ | peterS, it should, but I did not know of that possibility |
| 07:06.55 | peterS | ludwig_: assuming dvdrecord supports that syntax, it's much easier to remember and get right IMO |
| 07:07.19 | peterS | ludwig_: though cdrecord's upstream author Joerg Schilling disagrees. he thinks dev=0,0,0 is better because it works on Windows and Solaris as well |
| 07:07.40 | ludwig_ | peterS, well, since my notebook only has a HD and a DVDRW, "0,0,0" is quite easy to remember |
| 07:07.43 | Coweater | deconvolution: it's not blocking because of firefox, it fails because your user agent doesn't give it a windows version |
| 07:07.57 | Coweater | deconvolution: user agent switcher plugin can get around it easily enough |
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| 07:08.20 | Sebo | OK it's high time for me to go for my classes :( - bye |
| 07:08.37 | peterS | ludwig_: fwiw, I don't use dvdrecord, but on my machine, /etc/default/cdrecord is set up to use /dev/cdrom by default so I never have to specify dev= at all |
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| 07:09.15 | peterS | ludwig_: (I needed two lines in that file: "CDR_DEVICE=cdrom" and "cdrom= /dev/cdrom -1 -1 burnfree") |
| 07:09.15 | ludwig_ | peterS, it works with that syntax - OK, no copy of whole "/dev/.static/dev" to "/dev" any more! hihihi |
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| 07:12.19 | ludwig_ | but back to my issue with the new scsi-bus on each reload of the usb-storage module ... |
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| 07:13.03 | ludwig_ | for the moment I ignore it, but it is not sane ... |
| 07:13.23 | peterS | ludwig_: I don't think you can do anything about it, other than unload the 'scsi_mod' module entirely, then the count is probably reset |
| 07:13.23 | aphexer | how can I install a debian package as non-root user? I'm trying to install amsn just for my own user... |
| 07:13.43 | ludwig_ | does anyone know if that "echo scan>/proc/scsi/scsi" or so still works? |
| 07:13.57 | peterS | aphexer: you can't. you can download the .deb file and unpack it in an arbitrary location using 'dpkg-deb -x filename.deb /location', but it may or may not work to any degree |
| 07:14.27 | peterS | ludwig_: not sure, but the 'scsiadd' debian package is supposed to be able to handle the details for you |
| 07:14.30 | ludwig_ | peterS, well, since the system has a 3Ware RAID-controller (thus /dev/sda), it is impossible to unload scsi_mod |
| 07:14.59 | peterS | ludwig_: right. it *should* also be unnecessary to unload usb-storage, though. why do you find yourself having to do that? |
| 07:15.27 | ludwig_ | peterS, now the question still is, if with scsiadd I can rescan the USB-bus |
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| 07:16.11 | peterS | ludwig_: should be able to. but also shouldn't have to, usb-storage should handle that automatically when you plug devices into the bus |
| 07:16.17 | aphexer | peterS: ok thanks |
| 07:16.18 | ludwig_ | peterS, because I experienced problems whith changing the USB-disk while the driver is still loaded, the new disk was not always recognized |
| 07:16.31 | peterS | ludwig_: wait ... are you using one of those crappy card readers that don't properly notify the bus when you change cards? |
| 07:17.12 | ludwig_ | peterS, so I put a "modprobe -r usb-storage" "modprobe usb-storage" for that and since it works fine. I now have noticed that increasing scsi-bus thing |
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| 07:18.08 | peterS | ludwig_: right. I don't think you can avoid that - the code does that on purpose. (I once read that bit of code to see what it was doing, and I remember that the counter is increased but never decreased) |
| 07:18.34 | ludwig_ | peterS, it is two external HDs of 300GB, one of them connected to the server and being switched with the other daily |
| 07:19.12 | ludwig_ | peterS, so what happens when there is no free number for the scsi bus? |
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| 07:19.41 | peterS | ludwig_: I think the bus ID is a 16-bit or 32-bit number, so you don't run out until at least 32000 cycles. it's been a long time, though, I could be wrong |
| 07:19.53 | mlyon | ...since pine is not free and there is no package, could someone recommend a free equivalent? |
| 07:20.01 | ludwig_ | peterS, I can avoid that if I could force usb-storage to make a BUS rescan ... |
| 07:20.19 | ludwig_ | mlyon, mutt is quite nice, even if not so "straight-forward" to use like pine |
| 07:20.27 | peterS | ludwig_: right, try scsiadd with whatever that command line parameter is for that purpose (I don't have it installed at the moment) |
| 07:20.40 | ludwig_ | peterS, OK, thx |
| 07:20.46 | mlyon | ludwig_: yeah, heh i was getting sick of looking up mutt's keyboard shortcuts... thanks tho |
| 07:21.01 | peterS | mlyon: I second mutt. it takes a little while to get used to it, but if you remember ? for help and q to get out of whatever innermost screen you're in (including help), you can do ok |
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| 07:21.13 | jm_ | mlky;alternatively, compile pine yourself, there's a source package available |
| 07:21.16 | ludwig_ | mlyon, mutt is very powerful and very handy, once you get used to it |
| 07:21.35 | mlyon | it's not something i'm using often, mostly for debugging |
| 07:22.12 | ludwig_ | mlyon, "mutt -f /var/mail/USERNAME" is very comfortable for debugging mailing applications |
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| 07:22.30 | mlyon | i know :) |
| 07:22.53 | mlyon | i just don't yet know my way around mutt like i do pine :) |
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| 07:23.16 | ludwig_ | mlyon, and it is nicer using mutt to delete thousends of mails within a mbox |
| 07:23.42 | ludwig_ | mlyon, I know, I still have headache using mutt, but step by step I also get used to it |
| 07:23.56 | mlyon | yeah, i prolly will to |
| 07:24.12 | dondelelcaro | once you've used mutt for a few weeks, you won't know how you ever used pine. |
| 07:25.12 | ludwig_ | dondelelcaro, pine is very straight-forward to use and also very powerful. It has a very nice menu like you were used to at DOS times |
| 07:25.25 | dondelelcaro | ludwig_: I'm quite familiar with pine, it just sucks. |
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| 07:26.56 | ludwig_ | dondelelcaro, I intensively used pine for about 3 years, 'till I got off from the plain textmode-shell ... I was quite happy with it |
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| 07:27.40 | dondelelcaro | ludwig_: well, if you deal with as much mail as I do, with as many mailboxes and lists, with encryption, on as many systems, it tends to get annoying fast. |
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| 07:28.20 | cryndes | hi, "echo 100 > /sys/class/firmware/timeout" as root "Permission denied" ? |
| 07:28.28 | cryndes | wtf |
| 07:28.39 | cryndes | any ideas |
| 07:28.44 | ludwig_ | dondelelcaro, almost from everywhere I have setup a forwarding to my standard emailaddress ... |
| 07:28.52 | ludwig_ | dondelelcaro, but I used only one identity, that's right |
| 07:29.04 | tux | cryndes, no write permission? |
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| 07:29.32 | ludwig_ | tux, as ROOT? |
| 07:29.57 | cryndes | tux: oh chmod helps me out ;) |
| 07:30.37 | tux | cryndes, are you using debian? why /sys |
| 07:31.22 | tux | ludwig_, even root can not write if mode not permit |
| 07:31.32 | cryndes | tux: yes |
| 07:31.33 | tux | cryndes, seems freebsd? |
| 07:31.36 | ludwig_ | cryndes, maybe you simply can't write to that file? |
| 07:31.43 | cryndes | tux: debian ;) |
| 07:32.01 | cryndes | tux: i need to load ipw2200 module... but i get a timeout |
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| 07:32.03 | olUKelebek | hi |
| 07:32.05 | olUKelebek | # tar -xjf vhcs2-2.4.7.1.tar.bz2 |
| 07:32.05 | olUKelebek | tar: bzip2: exec olanaksýz: Böyle bir dosya ya da dizin yok |
| 07:32.07 | olUKelebek | tar: Hata kurtarýlabilir deđil: ţimdilik çýkýlýyor |
| 07:32.09 | olUKelebek | tar: Child returned status 2 |
| 07:32.09 | cryndes | tux: default timeout is 10 seconds... |
| 07:32.11 | olUKelebek | tar: Hata çýkýţý önceki hatalardan dolayý gecikti |
| 07:32.13 | olUKelebek | what is the problem? |
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| 07:32.18 | tux | cryndes, o, I do not notice debian has /sys ;) |
| 07:32.39 | cryndes | hehehe |
| 07:32.51 | ludwig_ | tux, if you have syslinux running, then maybe it's true, but I just made a test and of course root can write to a 0000-moded file! |
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| 07:33.20 | ludwig_ | anyway - bye! |
| 07:33.46 | tux | ludwig_, but I cannot write to a 000 file |
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| 07:36.38 | tux | ludwig_, echo can, but vim cannot 8-| |
| 07:36.46 | thctlo2 | hi verybody, |
| 07:36.52 | tux | hi |
| 07:36.56 | thctlo2 | question how to fix this: master[3363]: setrlimit: Unable to set file descriptors limit to -1: (1) Operation not permitted |
| 07:37.08 | thctlo2 | im setting up postfix with cyrus imap |
| 07:37.20 | tux | thctlo2, dunno |
| 07:37.58 | thctlo2 | to bad, google did not give me an answare. |
| 07:38.36 | thctlo2 | mayby somebody knows a bit later when europe is going to work ;-) |
| 07:39.14 | tarzeau | thctlo2: europe works already |
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| 07:39.16 | dondelelcaro | thctlo2: if a ulimit as been set on that shell, setting it to -1 will not work unless master is running as root. |
| 07:39.29 | tarzeau | thctlo2: some people since 3 hours, most at least in 20 minutes |
| 07:39.30 | thctlo2 | not my new boss , he starts at 09:00 :D |
| 07:39.46 | thctlo2 | this boss starts at 8:15 ;-) |
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| 07:40.17 | tarzeau | thctlo2: which country? what business? |
| 07:41.25 | kenboo | where can i get maven? |
| 07:41.40 | thctlo2 | i live in holland ( the netherlands) , i cant discripe my bussnes in english |
| 07:41.50 | thctlo2 | we collect money in short |
| 07:42.02 | thctlo2 | lix a tax man |
| 07:42.18 | sparr | does this bug affect any other window managers? specifically, im trying to figure out if there is some 'root' script that was used as the basis for multiple wms menu scripts that is itself buggy. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=309829 |
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| 07:42.27 | thctlo2 | whats maven kenboo |
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| 07:43.16 | thctlo2 | kenboo: i think you should look here: http://maven-plugins.sourceforge.net/maven-deb-plugin/index.html |
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| 07:44.01 | kenboo | that sounds like a plugin.. |
| 07:44.07 | thctlo2 | and the binary here: http://ftp.arege.jp/debian-arege/dists/sarge/maven/binary-i386/ |
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| 07:44.41 | Keefe | i have a file that has a space as the first character of its file name |
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| 07:44.44 | thctlo2 | but that one is a bit old i think |
| 07:44.50 | Keefe | how do i list it with ls? |
| 07:44.56 | sparr | Keefe: backslash space |
| 07:45.07 | thctlo2 | ls -al " filename" ? |
| 07:45.26 | Keefe | hold on |
| 07:45.28 | kenboo | hmm debian and java aren't good friends.. |
| 07:45.38 | tarzeau | kenboo: not debian's fault |
| 07:45.51 | kevix | !java |
| 07:45.51 | dpkg | it has been said that java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive and forbids you from working on Java implementations or SDKs. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
| 07:45.58 | tarzeau | kenboo: besides, what importance has java? likely none |
| 07:46.00 | kenboo | well i wouldn't discuss about it. |
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| 07:46.45 | kevix | kenboo: there are folks in the debian java group making things as easy as possible |
| 07:47.00 | kenboo | kevix do they have a web site? |
| 07:47.07 | kevix | !install java |
| 07:47.08 | dpkg | First, read <java licensing>. Still here? Install the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about java-package. |
| 07:47.33 | kevix | !java-package |
| 07:47.33 | dpkg | java-package is probably a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp (the Linux (self-extracting file) NOT the RPM) ; fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; |
| 07:47.42 | doleyb | kevix: that's not close to "easy". |
| 07:48.30 | kevix | doleyb: when java is opensource, it will be. now this makes it eaiser.... |
| 07:48.59 | thctlo2 | creating a sun java deb is so easy with java-package. |
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| 07:49.30 | kevix | doleyb: steve kemp has a great site @ debian-administration.org read his article on it |
| 07:49.46 | doleyb | if java-package actually stayed up to date with what sun.com names its distribs, then maybe... |
| 07:50.06 | sparr | java is the only thing harder than nvidia drivers to work with in debian |
| 07:50.27 | tarzeau | sparr: both are not very portable |
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| 07:50.55 | doleyb | tarzeau: but for a certain common target (x86), there is a well-known way to do it, which could be more automatic than it is. |
| 07:50.57 | sparr | tarzeau: it has more to do with debians moral commitments. i have zero issues with them in less picky distros |
| 07:51.11 | jm_ | I have zero issues with them in Debian |
| 07:51.18 | tarzeau | doleyb: not so for gnu/hurd or gnu/kfreebsd |
| 07:51.32 | tarzeau | sparr: i have no issues with debian and java here either |
| 07:51.34 | doleyb | tarzeau: those are not common targets |
| 07:51.38 | tarzeau | sparr: what distros are you talking about? |
| 07:52.16 | tarzeau | jm_: what about debian and non-free ati/nvidia drivers? |
| 07:52.16 | doleyb | tarzeau: gentoo, for example, transparently gets the external packages. You hardly know it's not proper native package. |
| 07:52.21 | thctlo2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:52.22 | tarzeau | jm_: i've got so much problems with those |
| 07:52.26 | sparr | jm_: never had module-assistant skip building a new driver because the old one is already built? |
| 07:52.37 | tarzeau | thctlo2: do you run them for alot of workstations, fully automatic? |
| 07:52.39 | sparr | tarzeau: gentoo in particular. slackware seemed to work ok too |
| 07:53.03 | thctlo2 | just get the .bin file from Nvidia and run in , change nv to nvidea in /etc/X11/XF86-Config-4 |
| 07:53.08 | thctlo2 | and restart x . |
| 07:53.10 | thctlo2 | thats is |
| 07:53.13 | thctlo2 | it |
| 07:53.16 | tarzeau | thctlo2: no, that's not i |
| 07:53.19 | tarzeau | it |
| 07:53.25 | jm_ | sparr: nope |
| 07:53.29 | tarzeau | thctlo2: if only it was that simple, pity it is not so |
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| 07:53.35 | thctlo2 | i always do it this way and this works very good |
| 07:53.37 | jm_ | tarzeau: nvidia works fine for me |
| 07:53.45 | tarzeau | thctlo2: you'll want to have the right kernel, and also add more files for x |
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| 07:54.01 | thctlo2 | not me |
| 07:54.03 | tarzeau | jm_: i didn't manage to install it automatic still, manual worked (but sometimes doesn't) i really hate it |
| 07:54.08 | sparr | jm_: lucky. bet youve never tried to downgrade nvidia drivers either? or had apt upgrade nvidia-glx before you rebuild nvidia-kernel so all your opengl apps stop working? |
| 07:54.15 | doleyb | thctlo2: your method won't turn on the 3d accerlation features, you need to edit XF86-Config-4 in more places. |
| 07:54.25 | thctlo2 | just dont use the nvidia files from debian |
| 07:54.46 | thctlo2 | ow yes i have 3d accerlarion, i can run UT2004 on this |
| 07:54.47 | ayecee | why not? seems to work.. |
| 07:55.05 | sparr | jm_: that last bit is particularly annoying |
| 07:55.09 | jm_ | sparr: I can't downgrade it seeing that there's only one version in Sarge. I will see if I face this issue when dist-upgrading next time. |
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| 07:56.01 | SerajewelKS | thctlo2: the nvidia files from debian work just fine if you know how to use them properly |
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| 07:56.44 | doleyb | SerajewelKS: the fact that functionality depends on him having "proper" knowledge is a symptom of insufficient automation. |
| 07:57.15 | SerajewelKS | doleyb: then he should be using windows, where everything is done for him |
| 07:57.23 | streuner | tarzeau: moin, where is MY 'lspci -n'? |
| 07:57.41 | SerajewelKS | doleyb: i find 'm-a a-i nvidia' quite simple, but meh. stupid is as stupid does. |
| 07:58.03 | kevix | streuner: did you lose 'lspci'? |
| 07:58.05 | doleyb | SerajewelKS: just module-assistant is not enough. |
| 07:58.24 | SerajewelKS | doleyb: oh? |
| 07:59.04 | kevix | doleyb: you mean installing the nvidia and kernel packages? |
| 07:59.15 | tarzeau | streuner: arf... i didn't boot into linux... windows xp has a nicer MSN, heh |
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| 07:59.25 | thctlo2 | doleyb: just try my method and you will see it works. |
| 07:59.45 | SerajewelKS | doleyb: of course you need build-essential, but is that what you're referring to? |
| 07:59.50 | SerajewelKS | !nvidial installer |
| 07:59.54 | SerajewelKS | !nvidia installer |
| 07:59.54 | dpkg | nvidia installer is, like, a script available from nvidia.com which installs nvidia drivers for you. However, it overwrites files that apt owns, which can get overwritten themselves when X is upgraded, leading to random breakage. Ask me about "nvidia-howto" or just "nvidia" |
| 08:00.10 | thctlo2 | the only thing is the driver of nvidia, is only working on GF3+ |
| 08:00.18 | tarzeau | streuner: i tried to boot into debian gnu/kfreebsd, but didn't manage it for some reason the root fs couln't be mounted... i'll need to check this further |
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| 08:01.01 | nevyn | tarzeau: what is your root filesystem? |
| 08:01.10 | tarzeau | nevyn: /dev/ad6s1 |
| 08:01.25 | tarzeau | nevyn: the install didn't change. i've also got debian gnu/linux and windows xp |
| 08:01.47 | nevyn | not what device.. what filesystem ;) |
| 08:01.58 | tarzeau | nevyn: xp had also a problem to boot, reboot button fixed it. i had to fix the boot grub menu, i'll need to check what it was on the freebsd system, which i didn't manage to look into yet (ufs2) |
| 08:02.08 | cheal | dpkg: no, nvidia installer is <reply> see nvidia-installer |
| 08:02.08 | dpkg | okay, cheal |
| 08:02.08 | tarzeau | nevyn: ufs2, debian gnu/kfreebsd. sata2 or 3 |
| 08:02.12 | cheal | !nvidia installer |
| 08:02.13 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia-installer is a clever cross-platform way of installing nvidia's proprietary drivers, which works fine on systems with stupid package managers (i.e. not so good with Debian). more specifically, prone to dying if any X or kernel related packages are upgraded or removed. see <nvidia-graphics-drivers>, or <nvidia one-liner> |
| 08:02.38 | nevyn | cheal: if you want to push proprietary crap at least /msg the bots |
| 08:02.57 | cheal | nevyn: heh |
| 08:03.09 | cheal | dpkg: GO NVIDIA! |
| 08:03.15 | ircdevil | peterS guess what! |
| 08:03.19 | peterS | ircdevil: what.. |
| 08:03.34 | ircdevil | peterS: i got two new mice by mail the other day. woking mice! |
| 08:03.38 | SerajewelKS | nevyn: so i assume you like the open-source nvidia drivers that can't do shit? |
| 08:03.38 | ircdevil | err working |
| 08:03.51 | peterS | ircdevil: those 3000 dpi mice? |
| 08:03.55 | peterS | or was it 2000 dpi |
| 08:03.56 | ircdevil | peterS: yup |
| 08:04.00 | nevyn | SerajewelKS: I don't like nvidia at all pretty much |
| 08:04.02 | ircdevil | 2000 dpi |
| 08:04.22 | SerajewelKS | nevyn: so what do you use? |
| 08:04.39 | peterS | ircdevil: how much did that 2000 dpi mouse cost? I would like to test one some time, with mouse-related software I write / support |
| 08:04.43 | jm_ | maybe he'll buy that open source card if it ever gets released ;) |
| 08:04.59 | nevyn | SerajewelKS: ati r200 right now.. and a 915 in my laptop |
| 08:05.13 | nevyn | and matrox G400 for the mythfrontend box |
| 08:05.14 | SerajewelKS | nevyn: i specifically avoid ATI because their linux drivers suck |
| 08:05.15 | kevix | would it be cool to add a rss headline reader into irc |
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| 08:05.35 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: they sucked majorly in Windows too in the past, not quite sure about current status |
| 08:05.37 | peterS | kevix: what, a bot that posts RSS headlines to a specific channel? it might be useful |
| 08:05.56 | kevix | peterS: multi-tasking |
| 08:05.57 | SerajewelKS | jm_: if you've been here recently, it seems the latest driver has some breakage with certain cards |
| 08:06.20 | SerajewelKS | jm_: i see many more problems with ATI cards in #debian than nvidia |
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| 08:06.28 | ircdevil | peterS: around 25$ - of cause, the two new mice i got for free. i didnt even have to prove that i had bought their mice, or send them the defect ones ... |
| 08:06.30 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: I know, that's why I avoid ATI too |
| 08:06.31 | nevyn | SerajewelKS: their history of co-operation with the free software community (Xorg/Xfree86) is better than nvidia's |
| 08:06.44 | jm_ | bwahaha you must be joking |
| 08:06.49 | SerajewelKS | nevyn: yeah, but nvidia puts out a linux driver that... let's see... works |
| 08:07.16 | nevyn | SerajewelKS: until you need to talk to lkml about pretty much anything |
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| 08:07.21 | SerajewelKS | nevyn: if i'm shelling out $150+ for a card i want something that's going to work |
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| 08:07.59 | SerajewelKS | nevyn: what? |
| 08:08.05 | peterS | ircdevil: I should look into it. unfortunately I'm low on discretionary income, and the people I'm writing this for are not likely to want to spend the money either, little though it be |
| 08:08.25 | nevyn | SerajewelKS: if you want to run proprietary software run proprietary software but by hooking proprietary software to a free software system you get all the disadvantages of proprietary software combined with the disadvantages of free software. |
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| 08:08.42 | SerajewelKS | nevyn: that statement is a load of shit |
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| 08:08.51 | ircdevil | peterS: you could write them and say you got a faulty mouse ... they may send you one free of charge :o))))) |
| 08:09.00 | nevyn | SerajewelKS: not really. |
| 08:09.04 | SerajewelKS | nevyn: for something major, like my desktop environment, maybe. for a video card driver, certainly not. unless the driver sucks (e.g. ati). |
| 08:09.27 | kevix | nevyn: there is only 1 RMS |
| 08:09.28 | peterS | ircdevil: yeah I could, if I were that guy, but I'm not that guy |
| 08:10.01 | SerajewelKS | nevyn: granted if nvidia put out a driver that was open-source and did as good a job as the commercial one, sure i'd use it. but my options are limited. nvidia: proprietary driver that works, ati: proprietary driver that breaks often, anything else: no driver at all. pick one. |
| 08:10.03 | ircdevil | peterS: sure - i am just facinated by their service mentallity |
| 08:10.06 | nevyn | kevix: yeah the thing is in recent times.. bitkeeper anyone he's been proven correct time and time again |
| 08:10.20 | kevix | peterS: how about a guy transplant ? |
| 08:11.03 | nevyn | SerajewelKS: fuck their code seriously.. their code doesn't do a bunch of security stuff that the free drivers do |
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| 08:11.31 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: nv works for most cards... what's the issue? |
| 08:11.36 | SerajewelKS | nevyn: security stuff? seriously, if anyone tries to hack into my system through /dev/nvidia, they have to break into ssh first. |
| 08:11.39 | kevix | nevyn: no one here is saying bad things about floss or using free stuff. but most of us are pragmatic and need to use propreitary video cards |
| 08:12.03 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: works until you want any speed with 3d acceleration. nevyn and i are just debating nvidia vs. anything else. |
| 08:12.27 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: sure, but who cares about 3d acceleration? |
| 08:12.29 | jm_ | or use TwinView or ... |
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| 08:12.38 | nevyn | kevix: and I need to use proprietary microcode and firmware but I really don't get a choice about that |
| 08:12.45 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: people who play games? people who use dual monitors? |
| 08:12.51 | dondelelcaro | you either get binary incompatible drivers with bugs, or you get drivers which work. |
| 08:13.03 | dondelelcaro | (but don't do 3d, and may not do multi-head on the same card) |
| 08:13.07 | jm_ | you said that like nv driver never has bugs |
| 08:13.13 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: drivers which work and suck at the basic function of an expensive video card: make things fast |
| 08:13.27 | dondelelcaro | jm_: no, I say it in the sense which they can be fixed... |
| 08:13.31 | dondelelcaro | s/which/that/ |
| 08:13.46 | Sonny | hi I just downloaded the last version of thunderbird... the tar.gz file .. how can I execute that now? |
| 08:14.00 | dondelelcaro | Sonny: don't use the tarball. Use the deb package instad. |
| 08:14.01 | SerajewelKS | Sonny: why not apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird? |
| 08:14.14 | Sonny | Because I want the last version |
| 08:14.15 | kevix | nevyn: people are working on fixing it but in the meanwhile.... |
| 08:14.20 | dondelelcaro | Sonny: then get a backport of it |
| 08:14.30 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: iirc 1.5 isn't packaged yet |
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| 08:14.37 | Sonny | dondelelcaro: what is a backport? |
| 08:14.43 | sparr | any debian menu system gurus around? |
| 08:14.47 | SerajewelKS | !info mozilla-firefox sid |
| 08:14.53 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (Transition package for firefox rename), section web, is optional. Version: 1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.1-3 (sid), Packaged size: 43 kB, Installed size: 96 kB |
| 08:14.56 | SerajewelKS | !tell sparr about poll |
| 08:15.01 | dondelelcaro | sounds like you need to send kitame your first born |
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| 08:15.03 | SerajewelKS | gah, not firefox... |
| 08:15.03 | mynullvoid | hi all |
| 08:15.06 | sparr | !tell SerajewelKS about stfu |
| 08:15.25 | dondelelcaro | sparr: that's totally unecessary. |
| 08:15.29 | Sonny | I want to install thunderbird... just in case... not firefox |
| 08:15.35 | SerajewelKS | !info mozilla-thunderbird sid |
| 08:15.38 | SerajewelKS | Sonny: yeah i mistyped |
| 08:15.40 | dpkg | mozilla-thunderbird: (Mozilla Thunderbird standalone mail client), section mail, is optional. Version: 1.0.7-3 (sid), Packaged size: 10373 kB, Installed size: 26944 kB |
| 08:15.45 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: ^^^ |
| 08:15.53 | Sonny | the last version is 1.5 |
| 08:15.53 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: yes, I'm quite capable of looking that up myself. |
| 08:15.54 | mynullvoid | my crontab is not running, how do I check why? the line is (with crontab -u www-data -l): 1 * * * * www-data /usr/sbin/azsto >> /dev/null 2>&1 |
| 08:15.56 | sparr | dondelelcaro: i agree, but just telling him it was unneccesary seemed lacking. |
| 08:16.10 | Sonny | So what do you recommend me? |
| 08:16.23 | SerajewelKS | Sonny: i guess you could compile it and install it in $HOME |
| 08:16.25 | kevix | Sonny: we like installing software that will not crash our system, thus we use apt-get |
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| 08:16.50 | dondelelcaro | Sonny: I recommend that you assist with the packaging of 1.5 if you actually want it; using the tarball is likely to result in a situation which we aren't willing to extricate you from. |
| 08:17.06 | Sonny | kevix, I used to download the tar.gz,, unpack it , and just execute it... but now I cant, why? |
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| 08:17.23 | va | i installed sqwebmail on sarge with apache2. when i type the server name in the browser, i get the sqwebmail/ directory listing. If i add /sqwebmail.css to the url, i get that file dumped into the browser. Could anyone provide hints on what might be wrong with my apache2 configuration? |
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| 08:18.12 | kevix | Sonny: if you use debian, you are expected to 'apt-get install' first and then only do other things if you can fix what breaks. |
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| 08:20.27 | olUKelebek | how can i connect a vhcs on the web browser? |
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| 08:21.07 | kevix | olUKelebek: what is a vhcs? |
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| 08:26.33 | rabies | hello debianites |
| 08:26.45 | tarzeau | !vhcs |
| 08:26.50 | ircdevil | rabies: bite me |
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| 08:28.04 | rabies | Shadur: find? |
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| 08:28.23 | Shadur | rabies: Not find. It was a single command. |
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| 08:28.31 | kevix | Shadur: sounds like a PITA |
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| 08:28.43 | rabies | Shadur: find is a single command, but if its not find nothing comes to mind |
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| 08:29.27 | rabies | http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/PITA |
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| 08:29.35 | Virtual | I want to install a clean version of Debian, can I install KDE 3.4 but only parts of it not the whole deal ? |
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| 08:29.49 | gutano | how do I get rid of the dhcp-client spam at startup (the complete setup prints everytime the settings change slightly) |
| 08:29.54 | rabies | Virtual: apt-get install kde-core |
| 08:30.03 | kevix | Virtual: kde is a meta-package |
| 08:30.12 | rabies | gutano: you can use pump |
| 08:30.13 | Shadur | Ah, found the article. |
| 08:30.16 | rabies | gutano: instead i mean |
| 08:30.21 | Shadur | lndir is the command used |
| 08:30.26 | rabies | indir? |
| 08:30.29 | gutano | rabies: tkx, I'll check that out |
| 08:30.50 | kevix | Virtual: ie. instead of apt-get install gnome, I do apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment |
| 08:30.50 | rabies | gutano: it'll replace dhcp-client, it just only has 1 line of output in dmesg though |
| 08:31.03 | rabies | kevix: well if you do gnome-core or kde-core it'll install less... |
| 08:31.09 | rabies | a lot less |
| 08:31.11 | Shadur | rabies: lndir |
| 08:31.15 | gutano | yeah, I don't mind the client, but I couldn't find an option to reduce all the console spam =/ |
| 08:31.27 | kevix | rabies: gnome > gnome-desktop-environent > gnome-core |
| 08:31.28 | rabies | gutano: honestly i dunno one, just use pump, it works just as well |
| 08:31.36 | gutano | rabies: =D sounds good |
| 08:31.41 | rabies | gutano: :) |
| 08:31.49 | rabies | kevix: fun |
| 08:31.56 | rabies | Shadur: never heard of it, but gl! |
| 08:32.22 | kevix | rabies: metapackages makes things easy! |
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| 08:32.35 | rabies | kevix: sure do, i just dunno why you'd want something between gnome and gnome-core |
| 08:32.53 | rabies | kevix: take all of it, or the essentials and build up on your ow |
| 08:32.56 | rabies | kevix: on your own |
| 08:33.07 | rabies | kevix: unless gnome-desktop-environment is a custom metapackage |
| 08:33.15 | kevix | rabies: no. |
| 08:33.19 | rabies | kinda silly then |
| 08:33.21 | rabies | but w/e works |
| 08:33.27 | kevix | !info gnome-core |
| 08:33.29 | dpkg | gnome-core: (The GNOME Desktop Environment -- essential components), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1:2.12.3 (sid), Packaged size: 11 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
| 08:33.42 | kevix | !info gnome-desktop-environment |
| 08:33.43 | rabies | i think he wanted KDE, not gnome |
| 08:33.45 | dpkg | gnome-desktop-environment: (The GNOME Desktop Environment), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1:2.12.3 (sid), Packaged size: 11 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
| 08:34.03 | rabies | kevix: surprisingly similar in size ;) |
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| 08:34.20 | kevix | rabies: they are meta packages! |
| 08:34.25 | Virtual | kevix && rabies thanks. |
| 08:34.29 | rabies | kevix: dont tell me, tell Virtual |
| 08:34.39 | rabies | Virtual: np man, i hope you got the help you were looking for |
| 08:34.43 | tux | hi |
| 08:34.48 | kevix | Virtual: in Debian, you can create your own metapackages |
| 08:35.00 | rabies | kevix: pain...i sense much pain in the future |
| 08:35.09 | rabies | tux: hi |
| 08:35.11 | tux | if I install sth use apt-get, next time I use aptitude, it would remove the package apt-get installed. why |
| 08:35.39 | rabies | tux: aptitude marks packages as auto-installed if they are installed by apt-get and are marked to be uninstalled unless needed by another pacakge |
| 08:35.51 | kevix | tux: different state storage files. you just need to '+' then in aptitude |
| 08:35.51 | rabies | tux: theres a way to manually mark them as manually installed |
| 08:36.10 | rabies | tux: there you go, thats how |
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| 08:36.25 | rabies | kevix: why not just shout meta-package at him, that'll fix it =p |
| 08:36.26 | Virtual | I have a PCI to USB adaptor that gives me 4 x 2.0 USB, will I have any problem with it under Debian ? |
| 08:36.43 | rabies | Virtual: try it and tell us |
| 08:36.56 | kevix | Virtual: no. |
| 08:37.12 | rabies | kevix: i like your certainty, very...certain |
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| 08:37.18 | Shadur | Virtual: Unlikely, assuming you have the driver for that type of controller (I think all USB2.0 controllers use EHCI BICBW). |
| 08:37.31 | tux | rabies: then what should i do? just use aptitude or apt-get, not both? |
| 08:37.35 | Virtual | thanks |
| 08:37.40 | rabies | tux: use what you want |
| 08:37.44 | rabies | tux: but yes, choose one |
| 08:37.51 | jm_ | tux: use aptitude once you sort it out |
| 08:37.53 | kevix | rabies: the linux 2.4 and 2.6 support usb, firewire, .... |
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| 08:38.08 | rabies | kevix: they include drivers for usb and firewire, theres no guarentee they'll work |
| 08:38.13 | tux | rabies, only if they are compatitable |
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| 08:38.28 | rabies | tux: hmm? |
| 08:38.35 | rabies | tux: you cant use both, you can only use one |
| 08:38.37 | tux | jm_, aptitude starts slow |
| 08:38.52 | rabies | tux: using both will cause issues with what packages stay and how they are upgraded and such |
| 08:39.01 | rabies | tux: apt-get cow |
| 08:39.03 | jelly-ho | can someone with sarge try this: echo TEST | grep -io test ... does it return anything? (it should) |
| 08:39.08 | kevix | rabies: I assume those hardware hackers are on the case and will have it sorted out when I buy stuff... x-) |
| 08:39.09 | tux | rabies, not a workround to use one? I use them randomly for years =/ |
| 08:39.21 | sparr | jelly: it better return 0 :) |
| 08:39.24 | rabies | kevix: if thats been true so far you are a lucky SOB ;) |
| 08:39.31 | rabies | =D |
| 08:39.41 | rabies | tux: now aptitude cow |
| 08:39.41 | jelly-ho | sparr: it returns 0 but displays nothing. |
| 08:40.10 | TipTap | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:40.18 | jelly-ho | sparr: either I'm missing something, or it's a bug in sarge's grep. |
| 08:40.32 | xoz | jelly: what about grep -i? |
| 08:40.32 | rabies | jelly: submit a report |
| 08:40.37 | kevix | rabies: I just dont buy HW that often... x-) |
| 08:40.40 | tux | rabies, ok, I will stay with aptitude ;) |
| 08:40.44 | rabies | kevix: or very new HW i see |
| 08:40.55 | rabies | tux: not a fan of super-cow powers eh? :) |
| 08:41.21 | tux | rabies, yes, aptitude can also moo |
| 08:41.26 | jelly-ho | xoz: grep -i works, but with -o added it doesn't. |
| 08:41.37 | rabies | tux: what? it used to say "aptitude does not have super-cow powers" |
| 08:41.43 | xoz | jelly: file a bug then |
| 08:41.46 | rabies | tux: they changed it? boo |
| 08:41.54 | tux | rabies, aptitude -v moo |
| 08:41.55 | rabies | jelly: just dont call it critical =\ |
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| 08:42.14 | rabies | tux: erm, im not on linux, heh |
| 08:42.18 | rabies | tux: paste in #flood |
| 08:42.43 | tux | rabies, and aptitude -vv moo, -vvvvv ... try it later haha |
| 08:42.50 | rabies | tux: bah, lol |
| 08:42.54 | rabies | tux: you arent gonna tell me |
| 08:42.59 | tux | ok |
| 08:43.02 | rabies | tux: you're no fun |
| 08:43.32 | Shagwell | aptitude -v m0o |
| 08:43.42 | Shagwell | cow quote at end |
| 08:43.42 | Shagwell | :p |
| 08:43.44 | tux | rabies, i am in flood |
| 08:43.50 | rabies | tux: same |
| 08:44.11 | rabies | tux: its french!! |
| 08:44.12 | rabies | lol |
| 08:44.35 | tux | rabies, pasted |
| 08:44.37 | tux | rabies, lol. let me change to C |
| 08:44.37 | rabies | tux: roflamo, thats awesome |
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| 08:44.45 | rabies | tux: yeah, i dunno french |
| 08:44.51 | sparr | jelly: does your grep man page properly document -i and -o? |
| 08:44.55 | kevix | rabies: did apt moo in french? |
| 08:45.00 | rabies | kevix: yep |
| 08:45.04 | rabies | kevix: very...uh...french cow |
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| 08:45.09 | kevix | rabies: ROTFl |
| 08:45.10 | sparr | command line options have been known to change, sometimes for stupid reasons |
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| 08:45.23 | sparr | usually with about a decade of warning :) |
| 08:45.35 | rabies | sparr: aptitude moo is awesome, i have much respect |
| 08:45.35 | tux | kevix, yes, mine here |
| 08:45.37 | tux | rabies, seen in flood? |
| 08:45.43 | rabies | tux: o yes |
| 08:45.49 | sparr | du: WARNING: use --si, not -H; the meaning of the -H option will soon change to be the same as that of --dereference-args (-D) |
| 08:45.50 | peterS | bah, apt-get moo isn't localized |
| 08:46.00 | sparr | "soon" has been coming for like 4 years now |
| 08:46.28 | tux | peterS, oui! |
| 08:46.31 | tux | non |
| 08:46.35 | sparr | im tempted to recompile my du just to turn off the warning |
| 08:47.01 | rabies | peterS: a fan of a french cow eh? |
| 08:47.03 | Esaj | does anyone know when the internic whois database updates? |
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| 08:47.13 | peterS | rabies: I wondered how "mooed" would be translated into various languages |
| 08:47.33 | peterS | rabies: but the locales I've tried so far don't translate it at all, so bleh. |
| 08:47.36 | rabies | peterS: i see, very scientific of you ;) |
| 08:47.49 | rabies | peterS: i dont think that cows speak anything but cow =P |
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| 08:48.13 | tux | lol |
| 08:48.14 | kevix | rabies: I tried it with es and it works too! |
| 08:48.23 | peterS | rabies: it should still ask me ÂŤsi on a mooĂŠ aujourd'huiÂť |
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| 08:48.38 | rabies | heh |
| 08:48.53 | peterS | rabies: or, you know, something like that |
| 08:49.10 | rabies | peterS: ill take your word for it |
| 08:49.17 | tux | peterS, you can localize apt-get moo ;) |
| 08:49.18 | rabies | peterS: personally im a fan of the ol' fashioned english cow |
| 08:49.42 | peterS | tux: not without hacking the source, probably. it probably isn't marked for translation at all, at present |
| 08:50.31 | peterS | hmmm, 'aptitude moo' is properly localized. |
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| 08:50.42 | fireba11 | peterS ^^ |
| 08:50.47 | jm_ | they must have added moo support to aptitude after Sarge |
| 08:51.00 | jm_ | or do you mean the message you get is translated? |
| 08:51.30 | rabies | moo is the best command evar! |
| 08:51.34 | peterS | jm_: yes, the message is translated. "Il n'y a pas d'oeufs de Pâques dans ce programme." it's a literal translation |
| 08:51.38 | wireddd | cpu fan in my router is dieing :( |
| 08:51.52 | rabies | wireddd: my condolances |
| 08:51.55 | jm_ | peterS: yeah just checked it with ja_JP, but not for sl_SI :) |
| 08:51.57 | ircdevil | ~moo |
| 08:51.58 | apt | mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/moo/ |
| 08:52.29 | wireddd | I should have setup redundant routers |
| 08:52.50 | ircdevil | kneet: +400 |
| 08:52.51 | peterS | depends on the type of cow, surely |
| 08:52.53 | wireddd | kneet what kind? |
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| 08:52.59 | kneet | the apt kind of course |
| 08:53.00 | peterS | I mean it's like how much does a dog weigh |
| 08:53.07 | rabies | so would a jamacian cow smoke reefer? |
| 08:53.25 | deconvolution | hello, i am trying to install a package which requires xlib-dev but it is linked to many other packages (x-dev installed though), how can I solved this ? |
| 08:53.26 | wireddd | no weed brownies |
| 08:53.27 | ircdevil | rabies: they prolly eat their grass |
| 08:53.36 | deadcat | smoke weed everyday! |
| 08:53.36 | kneet | It's just I reckon that most cows weight a little more than twice as much as me - but maybe apt uses special cows |
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| 08:53.45 | peterS | deconvolution: you mean xlibs-dev? is this on unstable? |
| 08:53.51 | rabies | ircdevil: waste |
| 08:53.55 | deconvolution | peterS: yes |
| 08:53.59 | kevix | deconvolution: what is the problem with letting it install things? |
| 08:54.00 | peterS | deconvolution: yes to which question? |
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| 08:54.09 | rabies | kneet: so can you benchpress a cow? |
| 08:54.13 | peterS | kevix: pay attention. I'm trying to find out whether it's one of the broken packages in unstable |
| 08:54.14 | deconvolution | peterS: both :) |
| 08:54.23 | Shagwell | quick opinion: in a small-scale business hosting environment with 4 servers, should i run a dedicated mail server or let each box do it's own email |
| 08:54.24 | Shagwell | ? |
| 08:54.25 | kneet | rabies, doubt it |
| 08:54.33 | peterS | deconvolution: so it's one of the broken packages in unstable. xlibs-dev no longer exists, and the things that depend on it are supposed to be updated not to do so |
| 08:54.50 | Shagwell | i was considering having 1 mail box running postfix/courier/sasl/mysql, and using exim/smarthost on the others |
| 08:54.51 | kneet | rabies, I'm in IT - not sure I can benchpress a feather |
| 08:54.52 | Shagwell | ?? |
| 08:54.52 | rabies | kneet: something to work towards i suppose, good luck! |
| 08:54.53 | kevix | peterS: ok. didnt know about the dep error. |
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| 08:55.29 | rabies | Shagwell: dont ask a channel full of volunteers for importantish stuff =\ |
| 08:55.33 | deconvolution | peterS: does this mean the old packages which depends xlibs-dev are not able to install under unstable/ |
| 08:55.34 | jm_ | Shagwell: in that case that one box would be smarthost |
| 08:55.40 | rabies | Shagwell: thats my advice ;) |
| 08:55.45 | peterS | kevix,deconvolution: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/01/msg00003.html |
| 08:55.55 | peterS | ^^^ explanation of the xlibs-dev situation |
| 08:56.02 | Shagwell | im curious for quick opinions not detailed analysis |
| 08:56.09 | rabies | peterS: what, pray tell, enticed the debian team to remove xlibs-dev? |
| 08:56.09 | peterS | deconvolution: yes, that's what it means. they need to be fixed. gravity warned us about this back in November or so |
| 08:56.18 | Shagwell | if you dont know just say so ;) |
| 08:56.20 | Shagwell | nobody will bite |
| 08:56.21 | rabies | peterS: isnt pretty much EVERYTHING dependent on it? |
| 08:56.23 | peterS | rabies: it's been replaced by individual -dev packages for the individual X libraries |
| 08:56.29 | rabies | peterS: ah |
| 08:56.43 | deconvolution | peterS: many thanks for the information! |
| 08:56.45 | rabies | that makes more sense |
| 08:56.52 | tarzeau | can someone help me links2 -g for x? see #351286 |
| 08:56.56 | peterS | rabies: there was a long period where the new packages were available (including in sarge), gravity finally decided to get rid of the metapackage xlibs-dev |
| 08:57.13 | peterS | (gravity being David Nusinow, the main X maintainer) |
| 08:57.14 | rabies | poor guy... |
| 08:57.33 | kevix | tarzeau: I run links2 (a moment ago) didnt read the bug yet |
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| 08:57.49 | Shagwell | second q: stable base, testing packages? or stable base, and backports |
| 08:57.49 | tarzeau | kevix: it doesn't work in sid anymore in -g mode in x |
| 08:58.00 | rabies | this xfree86 -> xorg transition must be killer |
| 08:58.08 | kevix | tarzeau: someone complainted about it a day ago. |
| 08:58.11 | jm_ | Shagwell: stable base + testing packages quickly turns into testing base ... |
| 08:58.12 | peterS | rabies: yes, gravity has worked *very* hard on it |
| 08:58.21 | kevix | tarzeau: I use it in fb mode under console |
| 08:58.21 | rabies | i bet |
| 08:58.38 | tarzeau | kevix: i386? |
| 08:58.41 | Shagwell | yeah |
| 08:58.42 | Shagwell | ;/ |
| 08:58.46 | peterS | rabies: the transition is almost over now - he has xorg 7.0 packages in experimental (6.9 -> 7.0 was a major transition too, see), now just a matter of polishing them up for unstable |
| 08:58.48 | kevix | rabies: david and the XSF are doing a bangup job! |
| 08:58.56 | tarzeau | kevix: i know, there's a bug report. and i knew it since the x-lib transition, but i don't know the fix for it |
| 08:58.56 | Shagwell | backports just doesnt provide enough software though |
| 08:58.57 | rabies | peterS: its still the reason i dont use unstable, heh |
| 08:59.02 | kevix | tarzeau: amd -- |
| 08:59.02 | peterS | *nod* |
| 08:59.02 | Shagwell | and i dont want to make my own packages |
| 08:59.05 | tarzeau | kevix: and so far, nobody was able to help me :( |
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| 08:59.18 | rabies | kevix: no kidding |
| 08:59.42 | rabies | peterS: which means etch is gonna get it in a few months, yay! |
| 08:59.45 | kevix | peterS: I am NOW installing for the 2nd time the 7.0 x-) |
| 08:59.50 | peterS | rabies: that's certainly the plan |
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| 09:00.42 | rabies | peterS: 7.0 a major revision? |
| 09:00.55 | fireba11 | anyone heared any rumours when etch might go stable ? |
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| 09:01.06 | rabies | fireba11: i think the hope was 18 months from sarge |
| 09:01.09 | peterS | rabies: as far as packaging goes, yes. the main difference between 6.9 and 7.0 is splitting the package up into hundreds of little packages |
| 09:01.12 | jm_ | fireba11: the plan was sent to Debian mailing lists |
| 09:01.13 | rabies | !etch |
| 09:01.13 | dpkg | somebody said etch was the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ . Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from our web site, http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer. |
| 09:01.13 | wireddd | bbiab gotta swap that cpu fan on my router |
| 09:01.37 | kevix | peterS: so the bug is for people compiling X stuff, not for people install x |
| 09:01.38 | rabies | peterS: i thought the modular X tree was still in development |
| 09:01.51 | peterS | rabies: by having hundreds of little packages instead of one big package, different people can work on the different packages more easily, and maintain them separately, and compile them separately, and all that. it's a big step forward. |
| 09:01.58 | peterS | rabies: 7.0 *is* the modular tree. |
| 09:02.07 | rabies | peterS: oohhhh |
| 09:02.14 | fireba11 | jm_ didn't get anything on the german mailing list i think |
| 09:02.16 | rabies | peterS: the freedesktop.org one? |
| 09:02.22 | peterS | kevix: well, or installing other -dev packages that depend on xlibs-dev |
| 09:02.36 | rabies | peterS: or an independent xorg one? |
| 09:02.44 | peterS | kevix: the main problem is "build-depends: xlibs-dev", but there is still some "Depends: xlibs-dev" out there that also needs to be fixed |
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| 09:03.17 | kevix | peterS: it would seem a 'nmu to fix the build-dep'? |
| 09:03.19 | rabies | peterS: soo many packages, so little time, heh |
| 09:03.27 | peterS | rabies: x.org and freedesktop.org are really the same people. there are different X server products people are working on, but I think they share everything else about X |
| 09:03.31 | jm_ | fireba11: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/10/msg00004.html |
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| 09:04.22 | peterS | kevix: for the most part that's all that is needed. just replace xlibs-dev with "libx11-dev, libxt-dev, libxaw7-dev, libxpm-dev" to pick one example package (one of my own that I had to fix awhile back) |
| 09:04.42 | rabies | peterS: nice |
| 09:04.51 | rabies | peterS: cant wait for Y ;) |
| 09:04.52 | peterS | kevix: the reason I had to fix that one is that David was sponsoring my package, so he insisted that I fix it (: |
| 09:05.12 | peterS | rabies: someone at hungry.com started writing Y many years ago, but I don't think anything ever came of it |
| 09:05.16 | kevix | peterS: there are a few of these 'transitions' going on. this is just one x-) |
| 09:05.43 | rabies | peterS: meant it as a joke, but that works too |
| 09:05.45 | peterS | kevix: it's a big one, but for the most part a pretty trivial one. the bugs are easy to NMU-fix, and lots of people have done exactly that in the past couple of months |
| 09:06.05 | Sonny | hi do you know how can I set Firefox as default web browser in KDE? |
| 09:06.06 | rabies | peterS: Z then |
| 09:06.19 | fireba11 | jm_ thanks .. seems like it will still be quite a while ... |
| 09:06.23 | kevix | peterS: gravity likes to keep his 'momentum' going.... |
| 09:06.30 | jm_ | Sonny: also ask in #debian-kde or #kde |
| 09:06.34 | peterS | rabies: right, just saying, someone else had the same name idea. I think Andrew Suffield (asuffield on irc) did some work on Y. he's better known now as a Debian developer and one of the people who maintains the IRC server code we're talking on right now |
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| 09:07.07 | kevix | peterS: FTHCA .... |
| 09:07.15 | rabies | peterS: so a good number of the peeps i've talked to on here are debian developers, go figure... |
| 09:07.41 | peterS | rabies: not all that many, but there are several on this channel |
| 09:07.59 | liable | Sonny: update-alternatives should do it. |
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| 09:08.33 | Sonny | liable: is that a command? |
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| 09:08.47 | rabies | peterS: there an alternative that isnt server/client based? |
| 09:08.55 | jm_ | peterS: is he still working on it? I thought they switched to hyperion |
| 09:09.17 | peterS | rabies: a realistic alternative? not that I know of. there is gtk for framebuffer, which is used on some single-user setups like OS installers |
| 09:09.34 | Sonny | liable: thanks I'm reading the man |
| 09:09.36 | rabies | peterS: ugh |
| 09:09.49 | peterS | rabies: that's done not because it's faster or anything, but because it's smaller - bringing up an X server isn't quite realistic in that environment |
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| 09:09.58 | rabies | peterS: or needed i suppose |
| 09:10.22 | peterS | rabies: well, possibly - but I'm not sure it's *easier* to do gtk on framebuffer than gtk on X |
| 09:10.37 | peterS | I've never looked into it, to be honest |
| 09:11.00 | peterS | jm_: hmmm, I believe hyperion is based on dancer-ircd, but I have no idea if asuffield is still involved in hyperion development |
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| 09:11.18 | jm_ | peterS: yeah it is, their README lists 5 people, but not him |
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| 09:11.26 | peterS | ok then |
| 09:11.30 | rabies | well night! |
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| 09:13.15 | wireddd | aparently coolermasters weren't ment to last for 6 years |
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| 09:14.06 | jm_ | I'm sure they're happy to sell you a new one after 3 years ;) |
| 09:14.18 | peterS | these days computers are supposed to be replaced after 3-5 years, why would a fan have to last more than 6? |
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| 09:14.58 | kevix | peterS: did you hear about the proposed law in japan to make it illegal to sell used hw after a few years? |
| 09:15.10 | peterS | kevix: nope. sounds pretty silly |
| 09:15.18 | xoz | kevix: really? |
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| 09:15.34 | wireddd | when were 1 ghz athlons the fastest you could get |
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| 09:15.41 | tux | dose dpkg the bot only work in this channel or all the channels or only debian channels? |
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| 09:15.45 | kevix | xoz: I read about it on boingboing.net a week ago, iirc |
| 09:16.02 | xoz | kevix: ill check. |
| 09:16.04 | peterS | tux: certain channels, about half a dozen, I believe |
| 09:16.07 | jm_ | yeah I think The Inquirer also had that story, or was it The Register |
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| 09:16.13 | tux | i input !flood but nothing appears in #debian-zh |
| 09:16.17 | peterS | tux: including #debian on irc.oftc.net |
| 09:16.25 | whatswithumans | Does anyone know how to set up the apache2 http server configuration file??????? |
| 09:16.49 | Rune- | with apt-get, how do i 'clean' something after it's been removed? ie, i removed apache package, delete /etc/apachge, reinstall, but it says: Not replacing deleted config file /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
| 09:16.53 | SlayerXP | whatswithumans: no, no-one does. |
| 09:16.57 | Rune- | (for all the config fileS) |
| 09:16.57 | liable | Sonny: yes, man update-alternatives, but the actuall command is update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 09:17.01 | tux | peterS, is !flood a feature of dpkg? |
| 09:17.01 | peterS | whatswithumans: the file is /etc/apache2/httpd.conf and related files in /etc/apache2, and you can get lots of info from http://httpd.apache.org/ |
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| 09:17.21 | Sonny | liable thanks |
| 09:17.24 | peterS | tux: I've never heard of it, what do you think it should do? |
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| 09:17.40 | jm_ | Rune-: use --purge when removing it, or use aptitude purge foo if you are using aptitude |
| 09:17.49 | Rune- | thanks |
| 09:17.49 | kevix | Rune-: read about purge and remove in 'man apt' |
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| 09:18.03 | tux | peterS, will !flood output sth in the canal, #debian and #debian-zh? |
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| 09:18.16 | peterS | tux: why would you want to do that? |
| 09:18.33 | peterS | tux: or, to put it another way, why would we want to make it easy for someone to do that? |
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| 09:18.55 | Rune- | and ffs, what's the up key in debian's more? |
| 09:19.00 | Sonny | liable: how can I see the whole alternatives that I can use with update-alternatives? |
| 09:19.01 | JacentyK | potrzebuje pomocy |
| 09:19.11 | xoz | kevix: ah, items older than 5 years. great ripoff for the retailers. |
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| 09:19.21 | jm_ | Rune-: vi scrolling keys work, then there's h for help |
| 09:19.25 | tux | peterS, I dunno. seems !tell do not work in #debian-zh. I dunno here. :( |
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| 09:19.36 | JacentyK | 'I need help about HTB |
| 09:19.47 | jm_ | Sonny: ls /etc/alternatives |
| 09:20.07 | Rune- | jm_ not sure why but 'b' doesn't scroll back |
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| 09:20.14 | JacentyK | Hi |
| 09:20.32 | JacentyK | I need Help about HTB |
| 09:20.46 | jm_ | Rune-: it does for me |
| 09:21.01 | Rune- | jm_ default install with ssh? or desktop? |
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| 09:21.40 | jm_ | Rune-: I am not sure what you're asking me there - if I'm connected via ssh and trying 'b' in more? |
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| 09:21.49 | Rune- | man, version 2.4.2, 2003-09-20 |
| 09:22.02 | Rune- | jm_ yes im asking if that works |
| 09:22.08 | jm_ | Rune-: yes it does |
| 09:22.13 | Rune- | :( |
| 09:22.14 | chaun | Anyone Know How To Enable uPnP Port Forwarding In Debian? |
| 09:22.21 | Rune- | well, it's not my b key! |
| 09:23.16 | jm_ | chaun: you can do it the same way Shorewall does it |
| 09:23.31 | Cope | ~polls |
| 09:23.33 | apt | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or our army of rabid weasels will hurt you. Usually, people other than those with the exact same set up can help you and those who have sometimes will not be able to help you. Also see <ask> |
| 09:23.54 | Cope | !badpolls |
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| 09:25.28 | Rune- | where can i download that bot |
| 09:25.44 | jm_ | /msg dpkg blootbot |
| 09:25.48 | jm_ | /msg dpkg my factoids |
| 09:26.00 | JacentyK | bye |
| 09:26.07 | jm_ | it's packaged in Debian |
| 09:26.57 | peterS | it's sort of packaged in debian |
| 09:27.13 | peterS | the ones running in here are somewhat customized locally |
| 09:27.42 | SPF | how do I add both eth0 and eth1 to auto dhcp? I already added both in interfaces and tried networking restart |
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| 09:28.53 | chaun | chaun: you can do it the same way Shorewall does it |
| 09:28.59 | chaun | what does that mean ?: ] |
| 09:29.33 | tux | SPF, auto eth0 eth1 |
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| 09:31.52 | SPF | tux, I changed interfaces (auto eth0 eth1), but after networking restart still no ip is given |
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| 09:32.16 | tux | SPF ifconfig shows what? |
| 09:32.22 | SPF | only lo |
| 09:32.36 | wq | does anyone know how to build NAT by iptables ? i feel a little hard thanks |
| 09:34.13 | jes-o-mat | wq: what are you trying to achive? |
| 09:34.58 | sett | read the ip tables tutorial and search google for nat examples |
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| 09:35.09 | wq | i want to build a router, i have only one ip |
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| 09:35.47 | Sonny | do you know how to use jigdo in debian,, the old link is broken |
| 09:37.31 | Fox | hi |
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| 09:37.37 | tux | hi |
| 09:37.58 | jcwong | Hi, I got this msg when running lilo, Warning: CHANGE AUTOMATIC assumed after "other=/dev/hda2" Added WinXP. Is that latest changelog on lilo sid? |
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| 09:38.53 | SPF | tux: any idea? |
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| 09:39.16 | ma3x | what's better, encoding with divx or xvid? |
| 09:39.19 | tux | SPF, would you paste your interfaces file to #flood |
| 09:39.31 | jes-o-mat | wq: what is your internal LAN interface and what is your external interface? |
| 09:39.41 | SPF | k |
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| 09:40.31 | wq | i get internet by lan |
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| 09:41.06 | bowman | good morning :-) one little question, I'm trying to find php5-mcrypt for testing, which is obviously not in the current official debian repositories. do I really have to use an unofficial package? |
| 09:41.37 | jes-o-mat | wq: anyhow you have an internal interface and an external |
| 09:41.41 | SPF | tux: done |
| 09:42.09 | tux | SPF, i just get in. once agin? |
| 09:42.19 | SPF | k |
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| 09:42.45 | wq | jes-o-mat: yes, i have two cards |
| 09:43.04 | jes-o-mat | and which one is internal and which external? |
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| 09:43.49 | wq | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:44.00 | tux | SPF, maybe you have to specify your gateway and netmask? |
| 09:44.34 | tarzeau | can i install perl modules in some user directory for my user only? |
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| 09:44.41 | SPF | no, cuz dhclient will get those from dhcp server |
| 09:45.03 | SPF | manually works fine here, but auto dhcp doesnt work |
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| 09:45.17 | jes-o-mat | wq: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE |
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| 09:45.39 | tux | SPF, dunno |
| 09:45.48 | jes-o-mat | wq: and echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
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| 09:46.16 | wq | jes-o-mat : really? thaks . i use eth0 to connect with internet |
| 09:46.56 | wq | jes-o-mat:yes,i opened the ip_forward |
| 09:47.03 | jes-o-mat | wq: that rule does the following: all that is going out through eth0 is being masqueraded |
| 09:47.19 | jes-o-mat | btw. do you have a staic internet ip? |
| 09:47.25 | jes-o-mat | static even |
| 09:47.43 | wq | jes-o-mat: yes ,my real ip is static |
| 09:48.03 | jes-o-mat | then you should use SNAT rule instead of MASQUERADE |
| 09:48.33 | wq | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j SNAT ?? |
| 09:48.43 | jes-o-mat | from manpage: if |
| 09:48.44 | jes-o-mat | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:49.32 | wq | in what time i should use DNAT ? |
| 09:49.38 | jes-o-mat | I haven't used SNAT for a while |
| 09:50.12 | jm_ | !iptables tutorial |
| 09:50.12 | dpkg | well, iptables tutorial is http://iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net/ |
| 09:50.30 | jes-o-mat | but try your syntax. If it does not work then try: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j SNAT --to-source $external_ip |
| 09:50.48 | jes-o-mat | fill $external_ip with your official inet address |
| 09:51.40 | Tim001 | hi |
| 09:51.42 | Tim001 | during install the ide-mount failes what could be causing it? |
| 09:51.43 | wq | OK, thank you, jes-o-mat. i learn iptable& NAT not very well |
| 09:51.50 | jes-o-mat | DNAT is for exchanging the destination addresse in a packet |
| 09:52.08 | jes-o-mat | before it is being routed (afaik) |
| 09:52.43 | Tim001 | I use the net-install version id debian |
| 09:52.50 | wq | i just know the concept ,but not very clear |
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| 09:53.47 | SPF | Tim001: does it show up any errors? |
| 09:54.43 | Tim001 | sorry, just thinking it wasn't mount |
| 09:55.09 | Tim001 | ti was modprobe that terurned the first to error's |
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| 09:55.33 | Tim001 | modprobe -v IDE-????? failed |
| 09:55.48 | Tim001 | and modprobe -v IDE-disk failed |
| 09:56.10 | jm_ | check other consoles for more messages |
| 09:56.16 | Tim001 | how? |
| 09:56.41 | jm_ | switch to them, alt-f2 alt-f3 or alt-<left/right cursor key> |
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| 09:57.32 | biw | hi, is there a script I can run that'll monitor what another script does, i need to install zend optimizer, and I'd like to be able to keep track of what files it sprays over the disk when it installs |
| 09:58.25 | Tim001 | ok i'll look tonight at home, thanks so far |
| 10:00.19 | concept10 | does anyone use ViM or Cream for ViM here? |
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| 10:01.19 | jm_ | biw: yes |
| 10:02.18 | ircdevil | concept10: #vim |
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| 10:03.01 | biw | jm_: any idea what it is? |
| 10:03.17 | SammyTheSnake | does anyone know if there's an easy way to get aptitude (or some other tool) to list the repository a package will be downloaded from when I do a dist-upgrade or similar? |
| 10:03.48 | jm_ | biw: do you know how that thing is installed? |
| 10:04.07 | jm_ | apt-cache policy shows it, so does apt-get --print-uris ... |
| 10:04.35 | tehhh | ehlo guys:). kinda OT question. i need to redirect some ip/port to another ip/port (like DNAT in netfilter/iptables). but i don't want netfilter because the moment in enter the DNAT rule, ip_conntrack module get's loaded and tracks all the connections (the box is very busy) and that's generally eats all the RAM. any idea? |
| 10:05.00 | jm_ | tehhh: there are many TCP/IP forwarding solutions |
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| 10:05.30 | tehhh | jm_ yeah but they listen on a specific device and forward ALL the traffic, i need to forward only particular ip/ips |
| 10:05.55 | jm_ | tehhh: not really, iprelay is pretty sophisticated |
| 10:06.08 | tehhh | iprelay ..hm. will check that now:) |
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| 10:06.47 | SammyTheSnake | jm_: that's not quite what I meant, I mean if I do aptitude dist-upgrade, it lists the packages it wants to upgrade, but I'd like to know which packages that it intends to upgrade are testing versions, which are sarge backports, which are from various non-debian archives, especially if it's giving me "unsigned" warnings or if they're important packages, is there any way to get that other than by using the download-only op |
| 10:07.19 | biw | jm_: there's no zend package, there's a tarball download and then a ./install.sh to run |
| 10:07.35 | jm_ | SammyTheSnake: not that I know |
| 10:07.49 | jm_ | biw: yes I figured, but what does it use internally? install command? cp? |
| 10:07.52 | tehhh | that sort of redirection will be good for transparent proxying too (if you use routable addresses, not iana private's ones) when not loading ip_conntrack gives you much more free memory ;-) imagine proxy serving 1k-1.5k users with loaded conntrack module ... ;-) |
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| 10:09.17 | Vessago | help .... !!! |
| 10:10.42 | tehhh | Vessago heh |
| 10:11.33 | Vessago | ye i wanna know can a mobile be flashed wih linux like tuxmobil |
| 10:11.40 | biw | jm_: looks like it runs some php to actually do the install |
| 10:12.08 | Vessago | k |
| 10:12.22 | Vessago | but where can i find the firmware. .. ? |
| 10:12.33 | Vessago | can any 21 maybe help me with that,,, |
| 10:12.59 | Vessago | *1 |
| 10:13.25 | jm_ | biw: http://install-log.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 10:13.48 | Vessago | tnx |
| 10:13.52 | Vessago | im off |
| 10:13.55 | jm_ | biw: installwatch package might also help |
| 10:14.02 | tehhh | jm_ ip_relay can't specify source ip, just destination. |
| 10:14.30 | jm_ | tehhh: wrong |
| 10:14.39 | jm_ | you can specify listen address in it |
| 10:14.49 | pitillo | hi, the only way to get qmail is by source? |
| 10:15.26 | tehhh | hm: |
| 10:15.27 | tehhh | :) |
| 10:15.35 | jm_ | pitillo: Debian source and then build a deb out of it, yes |
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| 10:15.49 | yang | !key |
| 10:15.50 | pitillo | jm_, yeah, thanks :) |
| 10:15.55 | tehhh | pitillo yep, djb doesn't allow distribution of binary packages:) |
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| 10:15.56 | Ronin | pitillo: or compiling it |
| 10:16.32 | yang | hm dpkg doesnt like me, i dont receive msg |
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| 10:16.40 | pitillo | thinking in make the deb. I have no experiencie building packages in debian. I?ll try that :) |
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| 10:16.48 | azeem | yang: it only answers to factoids it knows |
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| 10:16.54 | paivakil | yang: you need to register with nickserv and authenticate |
| 10:16.56 | jm_ | yang: that would be because it doesn't know what "key" is |
| 10:17.07 | azeem | paivakil: not for dpkg |
| 10:17.12 | azeem | but in general, yes |
| 10:17.27 | yang | ah yes, its "2006 key" |
| 10:17.55 | biw | jm_: thanks, I'll take a look at those |
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| 10:19.05 | mixter | hi! xml-support is enabled in php as default, but not in the php4-mysql-package bundled with debian. if i install the php4-domxml, will i get the same xml-support as if it was compiled in? |
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| 10:22.24 | pitillo | jm_, where can I find the debian source? I cant find it like qmail-src. |
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| 10:23.18 | yang | is etch developed for AMD64 ? |
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| 10:23.37 | pitillo | or it isn?t in sarge? |
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| 10:24.59 | jm_ | pitillo: it is in Sarge |
| 10:25.05 | jm_ | !tell pitillo -about non-free |
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| 10:26.51 | pitillo | non-free package :( |
| 10:27.03 | pitillo | need to add them to sources :) |
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| 10:29.41 | tehhh | jm_ i can't figure out from the readme and examples hot to specify listen address in ip_relay. |
| 10:30.23 | tehhh | it's always "iprelay localport:remotehost:remoteport" |
| 10:30.24 | sonorous | hello, I am trying to have the "CRON[xxxx]: (pam_unix) session opened for user www-data by (uid=0)" entries in my /var/log/auth.log filtered out into /var/log/cron.log - can anyone help me as to what I need to put in /etc/syslog.conf please? |
| 10:30.30 | jm_ | tehhh: it's a variable |
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| 10:30.44 | tehhh | oh;) |
| 10:31.03 | jm_ | sonorous: you can always switch to syslog-ng |
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| 10:32.11 | sonorous | I could indeed; just wondered if there was a way of doing so with bog-standard syslog |
| 10:32.30 | tehhh | environment variable? like export local_addrs=someip ? |
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| 10:32.50 | jm_ | no, iprelay variable |
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| 10:33.14 | jm_ | sonorous: yes, if you know details for the message, and then, it's likely other stuff will go there too |
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| 10:33.42 | bowman | good morning :-) one little question, I'm trying to find php5-mcrypt for testing, which is obviously not in the current official debian repositories. do I really have to use an unofficial package? |
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| 10:34.16 | tehhh | jm_ how do i define it? |
| 10:37.14 | jm_ | tehhh: you set it like any other varibale, README/FAQ explain it |
| 10:37.36 | jm_ | tehhh: xinetd also has forwarding capabilities |
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| 10:39.53 | tehhh | i must be blind:) |
| 10:40.12 | Sonny | is it possible to use gkrellm with kde? |
| 10:40.19 | Ronin | Sonny: yes |
| 10:40.24 | Sonny | thx |
| 10:40.36 | Sonny | I think its better than superkaramba |
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| 10:41.39 | dhuast | hello |
| 10:41.46 | tehhh | ah, i got it |
| 10:42.12 | tux | hi |
| 10:42.20 | dhuast | italiano |
| 10:42.27 | Ronin | !it |
| 10:42.27 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
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| 10:42.53 | dhuast | OK !! grazie |
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| 10:43.29 | jm_ | prego |
| 10:44.01 | sonorous | jm_: okay, thanks - will look into syslog-ng |
| 10:44.09 | dhuast | Jim_ parli italiano |
| 10:44.15 | jm_ | dhuast: no ;) |
| 10:44.40 | yang | p |
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| 10:46.04 | dhuast | jm_: ciao ! impara a parlare italiao cosi io imparo inglese |
| 10:46.26 | tux | !tell dhuast -about it |
| 10:47.18 | foof | how can i deny a user from doing a local login but allow him to login over ftp (vsftpd) ?? |
| 10:47.39 | azeem | foof: set his shell to /bin/false, maybe? |
| 10:47.49 | azeem | (not sure if that still allows ftp) |
| 10:47.50 | foof | no then he cant login over ftp too |
| 10:47.53 | foof | :( |
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| 10:49.09 | Fox | tried /bin/true ? |
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| 10:49.21 | foof | Fox: no, will try |
| 10:49.28 | Fox | and did you add /bin/true and /bin/false to /etc/shells ? |
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| 10:50.20 | xsquared | hi |
| 10:50.30 | xsquared | how do you flush the dns in named? |
| 10:50.52 | Fox | what do you mean by 'flush' ? |
| 10:50.56 | petemc | restart |
| 10:51.01 | xsquared | ok |
| 10:51.15 | xsquared | i didn't think there was such thing as flush |
| 10:52.22 | jm_ | foof: or create a virtual user in vsftpd |
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| 10:52.44 | |caesar| | hi |
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| 10:53.19 | foof | lol, /bin/false was missing in /etc/shells... thx guys! |
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| 10:54.45 | tux | foof, added then ok? |
| 10:54.58 | foof | yes, now its fine |
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| 10:56.20 | Sonny | wow its 5.56am here and I still awake |
| 10:56.28 | Sonny | i rather go to sleep |
| 10:56.33 | abrocadabro | is ssh the only way for port forwarding? |
| 10:56.45 | abrocadabro | apart from iptables |
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| 10:57.54 | tux | Sonny, good day |
| 10:57.56 | jm_ | abrocadabro: no |
| 10:58.10 | abrocadabro | jm_: how else would you do it? |
| 10:58.33 | jm_ | abrocadabro: xinetd, iprelay, simpleproxy or bunch of other tools made for this purpose |
| 10:59.12 | abrocadabro | jm_: ok, I'll check them out, thanks |
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| 11:01.18 | wombachi | Are there Sarge tools to get monthly bandwidth reports by port (web,ftp,ssh,...) other than manually playing with iptables rules ? |
| 11:01.35 | abrocadabro | jm_: is netcat also possible? all the other aren't applicable in my senario |
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| 11:01.40 | jm_ | wombachi: ipac-ng might help, I just use iptables + two perl scripts |
| 11:01.53 | jm_ | abrocadabro: yeah |
| 11:02.05 | SerajewelKS | wombachi: tcpdump! |
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| 11:02.30 | wombachi | jm_ thanks. Better than writing buggy scripts myself :) |
| 11:02.32 | abrocadabro | jm_: I have tried to google it but I still don't know what exactly is required to do, any ideas? |
| 11:02.40 | jm_ | abrocadabro: with nc? |
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| 11:02.47 | abrocadabro | jm_: yes |
| 11:02.51 | A-style | can someone help me install debian on xbox |
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| 11:03.32 | jm_ | abrocadabro: nc -l -p <listenport> | nc <forwardtohost> <port> |
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| 11:03.52 | A-style | no one |
| 11:03.58 | wombachi | SerajewelKS I dont think tcpdump is the right tool, esp. on a production server, but thanks anyway |
| 11:04.26 | A-style | is there a special room for it |
| 11:04.27 | |caesar| | hi jm? |
| 11:04.32 | petemc | wombachi: i use ipac-ng |
| 11:04.39 | jm_ | |caesar|: hey there |
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| 11:05.07 | jm_ | petemc: what does it support in terms of reports? web page is pretty useless |
| 11:05.24 | petemc | jm_: it can output text or graphs |
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| 11:05.35 | jm_ | petemc: yeah, it explains that much ;) |
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| 11:05.58 | petemc | i just use ipacsums default text output |
| 11:06.24 | jm_ | maybe I'll toy with it once to see if I can use it instead of my solution |
| 11:06.38 | jm_ | in fact, why not be pro-active and do it at work ... |
| 11:06.46 | petemc | thats the spirit! |
| 11:06.53 | wombachi | hope text output is available, so I can get datas for mrtg |
| 11:07.06 | petemc | i have perl foo for setting up users too |
| 11:07.50 | abrocadabro | jm_: what if I have three machines A, B, C, I need to access port 80 on C but C is not routed to A, C is routed to B and B is routed to A, so the problem is how do I access C:80 through B with nc? |
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| 11:08.09 | abrocadabro | access port 80 on C from A |
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| 11:08.23 | jm_ | my tool can do day/month/year summaries, for specific rules too |
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| 11:08.45 | jm_ | abrocadabro: like the above, you need to run that command on B |
| 11:08.52 | petemc | jm_: whats your tool? |
| 11:09.41 | jm_ | petemc: perl script that runs at 23:59 each day or when interfaces are brought down to collect data and write it to a file, and then another perl script to report based on stored data, pretty simple |
| 11:09.50 | petemc | nice |
| 11:09.54 | wombachi | a bug in ipac-ng/unstable ? "Error in config file near line 8: syntax error" with apt-get :-/ |
| 11:10.14 | jm_ | wombachi: installing it worked fine for me in Sarge, haven't configured it yet |
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| 11:10.18 | eps | are the current testing builds of the debian install cd usable? I heard etch was having some trouble and I wanted to know before I downloaded 2gig :P |
| 11:10.42 | wombachi | jm_ I just install it to my unstable box, to read doc first |
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| 11:11.38 | jm_ | hopefully I could reuse my existing rules with ipac-ng, i.e. not let it mess with my firewall config |
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| 11:12.32 | Bebabo | are there any alternatives to lufs ? |
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| 11:12.56 | Bebabo | i only need ftp in the fs |
| 11:13.06 | wombachi | jm_ in the doc: ipac "runs on top of the iptables or ipchains tool". I hope it can't mess up iptables rules.. |
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| 11:14.46 | petemc | it doesnt mess up rules |
| 11:15.08 | petemc | but you do see the rules it uses in iptables -L |
| 11:15.19 | petemc | mine is currently over a thousand lines long |
| 11:15.51 | Sonny | can somebody tell me how to install the nvidia driver in debian etch? |
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| 11:16.10 | tapas | i wonder: what's the rationale behind adding a group per user? |
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| 11:16.18 | petemc | ah, i lie |
| 11:16.20 | petemc | mail:~/tools# iptables -L |wc -l |
| 11:16.20 | petemc | 1000 |
| 11:16.39 | iciclebox | I have installed jamvm, but why do I still get a "No Java virtual machine could be found from your PATH |
| 11:16.39 | iciclebox | environment variable." error? |
| 11:16.41 | wombachi | petemc I guess you use some tool to manage those. My rules are only about 50 lines long |
| 11:16.42 | yang | hmm, whicxh is now default Windows management for etch Xorg or Xfree86? |
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| 11:16.48 | azeem | xorg |
| 11:16.57 | tux | 6.9 |
| 11:17.04 | petemc | wombachi: i have my own script which is maybe 150 lines, the rest is ipac doing its thing |
| 11:17.26 | jm_ | wombachi: yeah I know, but I was wondering if it can reuse existing rules or if it insists on adding its own |
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| 11:17.42 | blazemonger | hello whatsup |
| 11:17.47 | wombachi | jm_ doc on ipac-ng.sf.net is rather scarce :-/ |
| 11:17.54 | kevix | anyone from XSF here ? |
| 11:18.12 | petemc | jm_: it creates ipac chains |
| 11:18.19 | jm_ | wombachi: I will look at the package in an hour or two |
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| 11:18.36 | jm_ | petemc: yeah so I could probably just send data to those chains from my own rules and that will be it |
| 11:18.57 | iciclebox | environment variable." error? |
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| 11:19.08 | blazemonger | i've not had any problems with debian andi m a linux newbie except foro ne tiny thing |
| 11:19.10 | iciclebox | I have installed jamvm, but why do I still get a "No Java virtual machine could be found from your PATH environment variable." error? |
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| 11:19.25 | yang | but how can i discover which X run, becouse now both are installed (Xorg & Xfree86) |
| 11:19.28 | wombachi | petemc ok, that seems a clean iptables config. I'll read doc in the package |
| 11:19.50 | petemc | the docs arent great |
| 11:19.55 | jm_ | yang: no there's just one |
| 11:20.32 | wombachi | petemc mmm. Do you have better doc somewhere (other than src code?) |
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| 11:21.00 | petemc | wombachi: not really, when you start using it, i can show you what i use |
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| 11:21.16 | yang | xserver-common belongs to xorg ? |
| 11:21.20 | blazemonger | question.i have debian on drive one which is a IDE drive and freebsd on a raid drive which is my second drive |
| 11:21.26 | petemc | wombachi: http://www.yerma.org/~pete/temp/adddhcp.pl.txt is a script i use to set it up - poke me if you want the stuff for different ports too |
| 11:21.37 | blazemonger | how shouldi have grub in debian configured to boot freebsd |
| 11:21.45 | yang | but when i do apt-get upgrade it wants to grab xfree86-common... |
| 11:21.49 | hatake_kakashi | hmm, is there a possibility to make bzip2 output a file to another location or is my only choice is to use tar to make it redirect or even a pipe? |
| 11:22.02 | wombachi | petemc ok thanks :) |
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| 11:22.27 | jm_ | blazemonger: info grub explains how to use GRUB to boot particular OS |
| 11:22.39 | yang | and i think xfree86 has been removed - rc xserver-xfree86 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge1 |
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| 11:23.33 | jm_ | hatake_kakashi: you can always say tar -c -f /bla/file.tar.bz2 ... |
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| 11:24.25 | wombachi | hatake_kakashi you can use bzip2 with -c (output to stdout) |
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| 11:25.20 | hatake_kakashi | jm_: yeah that's using tar, was hoping the bzip2 itself could handle it |
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| 11:25.30 | hatake_kakashi | wombachi: yeah and pipe that into another file? |
| 11:25.56 | jm_ | hatake_kakashi: when bzipping a single file? like wombachi said, bzip2 foo > /blabla |
| 11:26.02 | wombachi | hatake_kakashi pipe or simpler redirect it "bzip -c ... > file.bz2" |
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| 11:26.24 | hatake_kakashi | jm_ and wombachi: hmm ok, thanks |
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| 11:32.24 | blazemonger | i got it working |
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| 11:33.11 | blazemonger | debian isn't too bad for linux btw |
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| 11:33.16 | iciclebox | where are the directories of programs normally stored? |
| 11:33.23 | SPF | tux: I got it working when I installed dhcpcd. But imo, normally you can do without dhcpcd |
| 11:33.52 | tux | SPF, what does it do? |
| 11:34.08 | Loki | How can i add a hdd thats there but not showing in the devices list ? |
| 11:34.25 | SPF | it includes a program that asks an ip from the dhcp server |
| 11:34.33 | SPF | so you can do dhcpcd eth0 |
| 11:34.51 | tux | Good luck |
| 11:34.53 | wombachi | iciclebox binaries in /usr/bin, libs in /usr/libs etc. Google for "FHS" |
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| 11:37.11 | azeem | kevix: "anyone foo" usually doesn't get a good answer, try to ask a more concrete question |
| 11:37.31 | sandy | hello, i have a usb-stick that works perfect with knoppix and ubuntu but not with debian |
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| 11:37.59 | sandy | who should I wrote a bugreport? |
| 11:38.36 | kevix | azeem: yea. but i want to compare experience with someone who's running xorg 7.0. not exactly everyone here. |
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| 11:39.40 | ma3x | is there cinelerra for debian? |
| 11:39.48 | kevix | ma3x: yes. |
| 11:39.58 | jm_ | petemc: does ipacsum -png work for you? |
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| 11:40.52 | azeem | kevix: file a bug if there is a problem |
| 11:41.12 | iciclebox | wombachi: thanks |
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| 11:41.20 | kevix | azeem: I thought experimental packaes , you should contact the maintainer. |
| 11:41.24 | A-style | hi all |
| 11:41.29 | ma3x | what's the best capturing software? I tried kino, it crashes..... you think cinelerra is better? |
| 11:41.43 | azeem | kevix: no, I think you should file a bug |
| 11:41.55 | A-style | can someone help me with the install of debian on e xbox plz |
| 11:41.56 | azeem | with the appropriate version information |
| 11:42.02 | azeem | kevix: or ask in #debian-x |
| 11:42.03 | wombachi | iciclebox Try "dpkg -L bash" to see where bash installed its files by ex |
| 11:42.23 | kevix | azeem: I was in debian-x, 7 people, no one answering |
| 11:42.28 | petemc | jm_: yup |
| 11:42.47 | azeem | kevix: did you describe your problem, or just ask "anybody running X 7.0?" there as well? |
| 11:43.02 | jm_ | petemc: it has wrong Recommends field it seems |
| 11:43.06 | kevix | azeem: the latter x-) |
| 11:43.07 | azeem | the smaller the set of people who are likely able to help, the less you should waste time with handshaking |
| 11:43.13 | A-style | is there someone how can help me |
| 11:43.38 | kevix | azeem: noted. |
| 11:43.47 | azeem | cause it might take hours till somebody who knows looks at IRC to say "I do" and then again hours for you to notice and finally describe the issue |
| 11:44.43 | azeem | also, people don't tend to say "yes" to very general questions, after all, you could harass them with "plz help me install bling" for the next couple of hours, who knows? |
| 11:44.51 | jm_ | petemc: yay, it inserts its own rules at the beginning, but looks pretty useful otherwise |
| 11:45.09 | sandy | if a have a problem in mounting a usb-stick, to witch manatainer i have to report this bug? |
| 11:45.21 | azeem | sandy: you report bugs to packages, not maintainer |
| 11:45.21 | azeem | s |
| 11:45.39 | azeem | sandy: what desktop environment are you running? and what version of Debian? |
| 11:45.43 | sandy | ok to wich manainer? |
| 11:45.49 | azeem | ? |
| 11:45.56 | sandy | i use debian testing/kde |
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| 11:46.02 | nix | I'm setting up a 2TB backup server. it has a 6x450GB raid5 array. Are there any options I should specify when using LVM to create volumes? such as the amount of disks on the hardware raid array? or is that done in XFS and not LVM? |
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| 11:46.38 | A-style | azeem: can you help me with the install debian on e xbox |
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| 11:46.46 | azeem | A-style: no |
| 11:46.47 | sandy | but i also tested this usb-stich with debian/stable kde debian testing/gnome |
| 11:46.51 | A-style | aahh k thx |
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| 11:47.22 | A-style | is there a special room for it |
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| 11:47.28 | sandy | but it works with konppix an ubuntu |
| 11:47.37 | azeem | sandy: then you should find out the KDE package which is responsible for that. If you cannot find it, filing a bug on just "kde" might be OK, saying "please reassign to the proper package" |
| 11:47.45 | sandy | so i know it works with linux |
| 11:48.34 | sandy | but i get an error if i use mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/d |
| 11:48.47 | resiak | "an error" |
| 11:49.02 | sandy | so it isn't a error on kde |
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| 11:49.56 | resiak | I take it that we don't get to know what the error is? |
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| 11:51.52 | sandy | it is an I/O error on the stick: Buffer I/O error on device sda |
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| 11:53.29 | wombachi | sandy perhaps a kernel-related bug? which kernel do you used on debian and others? Same version? |
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| 11:54.57 | sandy | i use 2.6.15(debian package) the othe use vanilla sources 2.6.13 and 2.6.11 and the fourth use 2.6.8(debian stable) |
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| 11:56.03 | sandy | i don't think, that it is an kernel related bug 'cause with knoppix(2.6.11) there it is mounted automaticly |
| 11:56.09 | wombachi | 2.6.8 with recent hardware == problems. Especially on laptops |
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| 11:56.51 | wombachi | sandy I had those kind of problems with hotplug config iirc |
| 11:57.18 | darrh00 | how to disable bash's annoying beep in debian?I have both tried by commenting out set bell-style-none in /etc/inputrc and creating a .inputrc in home directory with the line set bell-style none,and log out and log in again,but the annoying beep is there!I am using etch on a IBM T23 laptop?how to disable the beep totally on earth? |
| 11:57.42 | wombachi | darrh00 speakerecthomy :-) |
| 11:58.01 | wombachi | darrh00 Or add "set bell-style visible" in /etc/inputrc ;) |
| 11:58.06 | sandy | but i don't use hotplug, i use the konsole way with mount /dev/sda /mnt/sda |
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| 11:58.40 | wombachi | sandy Things like hotplug can interfere with normal mounts: |
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| 11:59.03 | sandy | how? |
| 11:59.08 | wombachi | sandy you try to manually mount it, but another process might tried to do it just before, leading to strange failures |
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| 11:59.34 | wombachi | sandy That's why I never use automount things, hotplug and the like :-/ |
| 11:59.45 | locus | hmm...im trying to build a custom kernel (2.4.27) on stable and i need to enable a driver which needs 'firmware loading support'. But i cant seem to find 'firmware loading support' anywhere. Am i just blind? ;) or does anyone know where that option ist? |
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| 12:00.01 | locus | s/ist/is/ |
| 12:00.20 | wombachi | locus You have to setup a kernel option to see it. Didnt remember which one |
| 12:00.31 | sandy | so i have to deactivate hotplug/hall etc. an then test it again? |
| 12:00.34 | jm_ | locus: in 2.6 it's in Device drivers, CONFIG_FW_LOADER |
| 12:01.13 | xoz | darrh00: what app are you using that generates the beep? in bash shell? |
| 12:01.15 | wombachi | sandy If it's not kernel related, it's a way to identify the culprit |
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| 12:01.31 | locus | jm_, thanks, ill check if that option also exists in my .config |
| 12:01.32 | resiak | darrh00: `xset b off` if you're in X |
| 12:01.52 | jm_ | locus: in 2.6 one can search in menuconfig, try that in 2.4 too |
| 12:02.18 | bcc | hi guys, how can i check the character encoding of a file? are there any tools that do that? |
| 12:02.40 | ircdevil | bcc perhaps "man file" ? |
| 12:02.46 | SlayerXP | bcc: it will be binary encoded. |
| 12:02.51 | bcc | ircdevil, does it actually check the encoding?? |
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| 12:02.57 | ircdevil | bcc dunno |
| 12:03.49 | bcc | SlayerXP: character encoding as in utf-8 vs ascii vs iso-8891 etc. |
| 12:03.59 | locus | jm_, thanks found it :) |
| 12:04.01 | darrh00 | wombachi:set bell-style none in /etc/inputrc doesn't work,but if set in ~/.inputrc,it works?why?ps:I have logged out and log in every time I made a change. |
| 12:04.02 | wombachi | bcc: not allways. "file" on a (windows) UTF-16LE file said " MPEG ADTS, layer I, v1, 128 kBits, 48 kHz, Stereo" |
| 12:04.24 | xoz | bcc: tcs can translate so maybe you can use it to detect the char coding |
| 12:04.43 | bcc | wombachi: i know. i already tried file. it's not doing what i need. that's why i'm asking. |
| 12:04.57 | wombachi | darrh00 inputrc is read at login time in your user dir. I guess system-wide inputrc is read at boot time ? |
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| 12:05.35 | wombachi | bcc I use recode to translate between charsets. Very powerfull. |
| 12:05.45 | wombachi | bcc aptitude install recode |
| 12:06.18 | cryndes | hi i need help with the prism54 card... i get prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890'... i copied isl3890 into /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware |
| 12:06.25 | wombachi | bcc like "recode UTF-8..Latin1 file-utf8.txt" |
| 12:06.26 | cryndes | but when i try ifconfig eth1 up i get |
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| 12:06.41 | cryndes | SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory |
| 12:06.45 | cryndes | any ideas |
| 12:07.12 | wombachi | bcc I also use "hexdump -C file" to see what's really in a file |
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| 12:08.48 | darrh00 | xoz:in console,bash vi emacs all beeps.I should reboot to see whether /etc/inputrc is read at boot time. thanks wombachi and quitte_ |
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| 12:09.24 | darrh00 | quitte_:but how can ask dpkg again about that problem again?what word? |
| 12:09.30 | sandy | i founded out, that the size of the sda1 is wrong ( too big) |
| 12:09.31 | xoz | darrh00: man bash then /inputrc... bash login should read /etc/inputrc then .inputc |
| 12:09.35 | quitte_ | darrh00: bell |
| 12:09.37 | wombachi | darrh00 Just log out and in again, if you edit ~/.inputrc. Should work |
| 12:10.22 | xoz | darrh00: no need to reboot. bash should be able to read it if it is configured properly. |
| 12:10.40 | wombachi | sandy which error do you find in /var/log/syslog ? |
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| 12:12.57 | sandy | only Mar 8 13:07:07 lydia kernel: printk: 22 messages suppressed. \n Mar 8 13:07:07 lydia kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sda1, logical block 508378384 |
| 12:13.45 | dimir | Congrats all the women! Wish you all the best! |
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| 12:14.23 | wombachi | sandy indeed, block # is strange. Looks like a kernel/module problem. Did you "modprobe usb-storage" ? Is it listed in lsmod ? |
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| 12:14.52 | xored | if i try to mount any dir with fusermount it fails with : fusermount: entry for /tmp/fusemnt-mayer not found in /etc/mtab |
| 12:15.01 | sandy | yes it is listed, an with other usb-sticks i have no problem |
| 12:15.21 | xored | pipeline: could you help me with the fuse moudle, iam on it for 1 day now and just cannot install the perl-fuse-module, to install fuseFTP to get a FTPFS mounted |
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| 12:16.18 | wombachi | sandy It happend to me. kernel problem. Solution was to use the most recent vanilla kernel from kernel.org :-( |
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| 12:16.48 | sandy | but i also tested this: same error |
| 12:17.03 | sandy | but all the time udev is on |
| 12:17.18 | sandy | can this cause the problem? |
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| 12:17.40 | wombachi | sandy I think you should file a bug against the kernel image package you're using |
| 12:18.30 | sandy | ok then i'll do it. thks |
| 12:18.31 | wombachi | perhaps linux-image-2.6.15-1? About udev : I dont know, but it sometimes causes strange behaviours |
| 12:19.49 | sandy | no linux-image-2.6.15-7 |
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| 12:20.15 | wombachi | ok, time to read http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
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| 12:22.56 | bcc | wombachi: i'm not looking to translate a file. i need to determine the existing encoding of a file |
| 12:23.24 | jm_ | bcc: you can only guess it... |
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| 12:23.43 | wombachi | bcc as jm_ said, it's impossible to do. |
| 12:25.09 | wombachi | bcc Use hexdump to see the file contents and guess. |
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| 12:25.23 | wombachi | bcc Ex if file starts by FF FE it probably is windows UTF-16 LE by ex |
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| 12:26.57 | iciclebox | when I type "java -version", I get a proper output. however, why is it that a binary file I run still claims there is no Java Virtual Machine? |
| 12:27.00 | Virtual | i keep getting this error everytime i install a package, any idea why ? http://pastebin.com/590627 |
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| 12:28.02 | jm_ | Virtual: /msg dpkg locales |
| 12:28.08 | xoz | Virtual: dpkg-reconfigure locale. logout/login. |
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| 12:28.19 | xoz | s/locale/locales |
| 12:28.29 | jm_ | iciclebox: perhaps it doesn't know where to look for it |
| 12:28.36 | Virtual | thanks |
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| 12:29.25 | iciclebox | jm_: the program specifies that No JavaVM could be found from my PATH environment variable. |
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| 12:29.54 | iciclebox | however, /usr/bin (containing /usr/bin/java) is in $PATH |
| 12:31.14 | Virtual | jm_ && xoz I did dpkg-reconfigure and I got this : http://pastebin.com/590634 |
| 12:31.26 | jm_ | iciclebox: you can always use strace to find out what it's doing and where it's looking |
| 12:32.01 | jm_ | Virtual: did you generate the locales that are needed for your locale settings? |
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| 12:32.52 | Virtual | jm_: i don't think so, how do I do that ? |
| 12:33.09 | xoz | Virtual: are you running sid? |
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| 12:33.16 | jm_ | Virtual: dpkg-reconfigure locales, marke them |
| 12:33.22 | jm_ | mark* |
| 12:34.02 | iciclebox | jm_: that worked. thanks! |
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| 12:34.18 | jm_ | iciclebox: what worked? I gave you no advice ;) |
| 12:34.38 | iciclebox | jm_: strace :) it was looking in the wrong directory |
| 12:34.47 | jm_ | iciclebox: OK |
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| 12:35.42 | Virtual | jm_: that error apears when i run dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 12:35.47 | xoz | Virtual: check the locales in /etc/locale.gen |
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| 12:36.15 | xoz | Virtual: it is not really an error because C lang that it reverts is ok. |
| 12:36.19 | londonboi2k3 | Hi guys, I have an issue with su, I dont have access to my home PC at the moment, but I need to reboot it, or at least be able to use su, but for some reason after installing vmware I cant use the su command, it just hangs, is there a way to reboot the pc via ssh without su? |
| 12:36.25 | jm_ | Virtual: paste output of locale command, it should only be a warning |
| 12:36.41 | xoz | Virtual: it just tells you that you have no default locale |
| 12:37.16 | raf256` | why in the hell debian devels of krusader are fucking around? |
| 12:37.26 | raf256` | Krusader in unusable in debian for like 3 months :( |
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| 12:41.57 | xoz | ssh -l root? |
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| 12:45.41 | Virtual | jm_: http://pastebin.com/590651 |
| 12:46.12 | jm_ | Virtual: unset all those vars and try again |
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| 12:48.06 | juanma5 | hi there... I have 2MB on non-valid clusters on my hard drive.. and that seems to be the reason I can't install any distro on it... the partition takes ages to complete and when it's done it just doesn't create any file system... any suggestions? |
| 12:49.04 | xoz | juanma5: paper weight :) |
| 12:49.18 | juanma5 | paper weight? |
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| 12:49.43 | Virtual | jm_: i think i fixed, locales wasn't even installed |
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| 12:50.14 | jm_ | Virtual: dpkg-reconfigure would tell you that, and I guess it did |
| 12:50.23 | Virtual | it did of course |
| 12:50.48 | Virtual | now i have another problem, it says that it cannot check the signature, i think the fix is the public key in the topic ? |
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| 12:52.24 | xored | pipeline: are you there ? |
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| 12:53.22 | fiete | Hi! How do I counter circulary package dependencies? |
| 12:53.24 | NET||abuse | hi all, i'm having a trouble with security.debian.org |
| 12:53.44 | resiak | fiete: e2fsprogs? |
| 12:53.52 | xoz | explain more. we are not mind readers |
| 12:53.54 | NET||abuse | it's failing to connect to it |
| 12:53.59 | petemc | NET||abuse: no |
| 12:54.04 | petemc | fine here |
| 12:54.06 | NET||abuse | basically, i tried to apt-get eterm |
| 12:54.21 | NET||abuse | it can connect to the other deb's |
| 12:54.27 | NET||abuse | i did an apt-get clean |
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| 12:54.30 | jm_ | security.d.o resolves to three IP-s |
| 12:54.37 | NET||abuse | and then did apt-get update |
| 12:54.40 | jm_ | in RR fashion |
| 12:54.44 | NET||abuse | and again when it updates it failed on security |
| 12:54.45 | pm_ | there is any console gui for gdb? |
| 12:55.15 | NET||abuse | ahh, so maybe flushing my resolver cache? |
| 12:55.16 | fiete | resiak: no, I just upgraded to etch. linux-kernel-image-2.6.15 needs initramfs-tools, initramfs-tools need udev and udev needs kernel >= <some version> |
| 12:55.25 | blondie | pm_: what's a console gui |
| 12:55.27 | blondie | ? |
| 12:55.30 | NET||abuse | hmm, what the command for flushing resolver cache? i only know the windows way? :) |
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| 12:55.56 | petemc | NET||abuse: restart bind |
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| 12:56.11 | xoz | console-gui doesnt mix |
| 12:56.13 | Virtual | I have a multifunction keyboard with double function F keys and I need to activate a button so I can use F keys as F1, F2 etc, if I don't activate the buttons have other functions, is there anyway to activate that on KDE startup ? |
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| 12:56.19 | Virtual | and numlock as well |
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| 12:56.56 | xoz | man xmodmap |
| 12:56.57 | NET||abuse | petemc: i don't think this is the bind server. |
| 12:56.59 | jm_ | Virtual: numlockx |
| 12:57.04 | petemc | NET||abuse: what is it? |
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| 12:57.21 | NET||abuse | petemc: not i don't think, this isn't a bind server it's a simple intranet webapp server |
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| 12:57.35 | NET||abuse | petemc: so there's not any bind on it. |
| 12:57.40 | petemc | NET||abuse: so what do you think is caching dns lookups? |
| 12:57.45 | Psycho-MaN | hello ...one question...i want to put debian on an amd sempron..is it possible?which iso have i to download? |
| 12:57.54 | NET||abuse | petemc: the dns resolver client |
| 12:58.01 | petemc | NET||abuse: i dont think so |
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| 12:58.23 | lesshaste | how do you list the contents of a bzip2 file? |
| 12:58.30 | NET||abuse | petemc: wait. simple check, i'll see what security is resolving as and could you tell me what it resolves as fo ryou? |
| 12:58.32 | Psycho-MaN | anybody? |
| 12:58.33 | blondie | Psycho-MaN: yes, the i386 one - and then install the k7 kernel |
| 12:58.46 | Pihhan|O | Psycho-MaN: maybe you should visit #debian-amd64 room |
| 12:58.49 | petemc | NET||abuse: jm_ explained that it resolves to 3 ips in RR style |
| 12:59.00 | blondie | !room |
| 12:59.00 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 12:59.05 | NET||abuse | yeh, it does, what are those ip's so i can check i'm not getting totally wrong ones |
| 12:59.37 | Pihhan|O | hi, i have question also |
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| 13:00.53 | Pihhan|O | about Thunderbird from debian package, and attachments not named in ascii, used in Gnome. I receive some attachments with spaces and iso-8859-2 characters, and i cant simply choose open file |
| 13:02.12 | lesshaste | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:02.39 | giacus | hello |
| 13:02.44 | Psycho-MaN | blondie: is sempron i386 compatible?? |
| 13:02.45 | NET||abuse | cheers petemc... :) i found the problem, all the other debs are on ftp, security is on http, my proxy makes us authenticate for any http activity so i hadn't authenticated..... duh |
| 13:02.51 | blondie | Psycho-MaN: yes |
| 13:03.04 | NET||abuse | petemc: this is what my girlfriend calls a blonde moment :P) |
| 13:03.09 | petemc | :) |
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| 13:04.17 | NET||abuse | heh, transparency in eterm isn't real... |
| 13:04.26 | NET||abuse | dang |
| 13:04.32 | blondie | NET||abuse: it never is |
| 13:04.41 | sett | has anyone configured wifi on a centrino notebook? |
| 13:04.42 | NET||abuse | bring on working Xgl |
| 13:04.47 | Dewi | blondie: is in windows |
| 13:04.50 | Pihhan|O | can nautilus open attachments with spaces from thunderbird directly? |
| 13:05.01 | blondie | Dewi: this is #debian dear :P |
| 13:05.07 | NET||abuse | Dewi: blondie: yeh, that is one thing windows beat X to |
| 13:05.17 | Dewi | blondie: I'll use some transparency hack program on putty... and I'm set. That's still debian, in the window :) |
| 13:05.35 | giacus | I wrote my own file and put it in /etc/init.d/ after chmod +x it. The file start with #! /bin/sh If I try to run it with /etc/init.d.myfile I get : bad interpreter. What I should install ? |
| 13:05.54 | NET||abuse | giacus: try #!/bin/bash |
| 13:06.03 | giacus | thanks |
| 13:06.11 | Pihhan|O | problem is that nautilus itself cant run oo.o files by simply clicking on it, when there is space in filename |
| 13:06.20 | jm_ | giacus: run "file /etc/init.d./myfile" |
| 13:06.47 | petemc | giacus: lose the space |
| 13:07.10 | giacus | oh .. |
| 13:07.26 | NET||abuse | spaces are evil, or just run ubuntu if iyou want a featurefull desktop |
| 13:07.39 | petemc | giacus: actually, that snot iut |
| 13:07.45 | petemc | christ |
| 13:07.53 | Dewi | anyone know how unicode works in debian? I mean in ext3... I'm never sure quite what's going on. What's the native encoding? |
| 13:07.53 | giacus | ok, thanks :) |
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| 13:09.05 | NET||abuse | Dewi: bleh.. not sure, what aspect are you talking about? |
| 13:09.21 | Dewi | NET||abuse: well, I just find that I get a lot of underscores and things |
| 13:09.24 | NET||abuse | Dewi: this how it store unicode data in a file, or the filename is in unicode? or something more confusing. |
| 13:09.47 | Dewi | NET||abuse: with samba, java, rsync... you name it, I get unicode strange occurences when I save files with unicode names |
| 13:09.58 | pingouin | hello, is the bluetooth well supported with linux ? any clue to install ? |
| 13:10.01 | Dewi | NET||abuse: the filenames |
| 13:10.36 | Dewi | NET||abuse: it's quite difficult to even get hold of a unicode character because I don't know how to enter one in the shell or anything like that |
| 13:10.37 | NET||abuse | ah filenames,,, i think there is something about unicode filenames in ext3,,,,, might be a module you need to add propper support for unicode.... i actually don't know for sure |
| 13:11.05 | Dewi | NET||abuse: and of course every time I copy something in using a network it seems to get mangled or just changed to an underscore |
| 13:11.13 | NET||abuse | Dewi: the character set will have something to do with your keyboard language too |
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| 13:11.46 | Dewi | NET||abuse: yeah. But presumably the filesystem is at least aware which code page it's using |
| 13:11.49 | Dewi | NET||abuse: I wonder how to query that |
| 13:12.14 | Dewi | NET||abuse: I guess I should probably do some random googling and try to find some grounding |
| 13:12.26 | NET||abuse | Dewi: that's what i'm doing :) |
| 13:12.36 | NET||abuse | http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/06/msg00243.html |
| 13:13.07 | NET||abuse | Dewi: that's a dicussions and pretty concise answer |
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| 13:13.51 | Dewi | NET||abuse: hey... that's looking very handy. Thanks! |
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| 13:14.05 | Dewi | NET||abuse: also a bit scary but we'll see how badly it all breaks :P |
| 13:14.20 | NET||abuse | hehehe |
| 13:14.24 | NET||abuse | good luck |
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| 13:21.29 | |caesar| | aha |
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| 13:22.56 | ejofee | is mythtv better than xine? |
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| 13:26.04 | Pihhan|O | is some there simple way of running files with spaces under gnome/nautilus? |
| 13:26.10 | PerfDave | ejofee: "better" is a little subjective, but xine and mythtv do two different things. |
| 13:26.13 | Dewi | Pihhan|O: running them? |
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| 13:26.47 | Pihhan|O | Dewi: yeah, you click, it opens its viewer and display it |
| 13:26.48 | Dewi | Pihhan|O: files with spaces should just work. If they don't, it sounds like a bug in the handler script for the file type in question |
| 13:27.03 | Dewi | Pihhan|O: I dunno where you'd look to find that |
| 13:27.34 | Pihhan|O | Dewi: i think there is bad handler when program claims it can open URLs |
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| 13:28.15 | Pihhan|O | openoffice.org handler in sarge is broken that way |
| 13:29.03 | Pihhan|O | i have to rename it withou spaces or open in console using oofice filename\ with\ spaces.sxw |
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| 13:29.37 | lehel | hello |
| 13:29.56 | Dewi | Pihhan|O: I don't really have many apps installed in gnome, but... if I click on a txt file with a space in the name it comes up in vim just fine |
| 13:30.09 | Dewi | Pihhan|O: er I mean gedit |
| 13:30.15 | jazbo | Does anyone know of a program to convert MP3 to WMA? (I know, I know... I wish I didn't have to) |
| 13:30.31 | Dewi | Pihhan|O: it seems unlikely to be a gnome thing |
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| 13:30.48 | Dewi | Pihhan|O: try a 'file with spaces.txt' on your machine |
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| 13:31.15 | Pihhan|O | Dewi: i have problems with opening attachments from debian thunderbird under gnome |
| 13:31.16 | Dewi | jazbo: not in linux. In windows I'd give besweet a try. |
| 13:31.35 | jazbo | Hmmm yah I don't have any windows machines |
| 13:31.40 | Virtual | everytime i start the computer the sound is on mute, i have to start the mixer and unmute it, any ideas why ? |
| 13:32.14 | Pihhan|O | Virtual: your mixer settings did not save |
| 13:32.15 | jm_ | Virtual: that's how ALSA works, save the settings with alsactl store and you should be OK |
| 13:32.40 | PerfDave | jm_: Why on earth do you have to convert an MP3 to WMA? |
| 13:32.43 | PerfDave | Argh |
| 13:32.48 | PerfDave | jazbo: Why on earth do you have to convert an MP3 to WMA? |
| 13:33.36 | Pihhan|O | Virtual: what is your desktop? under KDE kmixer does the job for you also |
| 13:34.23 | Acceos | Anyone got a good source for aptget (64-bits)? |
| 13:34.45 | Pihhan|O | Acceos: search for debian-amd64 project |
| 13:35.08 | Acceos | Thank you |
| 13:35.48 | Shadowcat | PerfDave: very badly |
| 13:36.09 | jazbo | PerfDave: My cellphone (which is technically capable of playing MP3's) has been crippled by Verizon so that it only will play WMA's. I guess since nobody has WMA's they figure it will be inconvenient enough that some people will just buy overpriced DRMed songs through their "v-cast" service. |
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| 13:36.26 | PerfDave | jazbo: Flash the phone firmware ;) |
| 13:36.54 | jethro | hello, can one tell me if debian's linux-image packages have pfkey enabled? I don't want to dl a linux-image to verify this and I'm sure 90% of the chan uses a linux-image :) |
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| 13:37.21 | jazbo | PerfDave: I don't think that will work because all the versions being sold now have this MP3 crippling feature. |
| 13:37.33 | PerfDave | jazbo: Google ;) |
| 13:37.38 | PerfDave | jazbo: Or get a better cellphone provider. |
| 13:38.18 | PerfDave | jethro: I'd be surprised if 90% used a linux-image, most of them use kernel-image probably. |
| 13:38.25 | Pihhan|O | jazbo: what about selling it and buying some normal player, propably with .ogg support? |
| 13:38.27 | sobersabre | guys... has anybody got hands on dual port PCI-X adapter ? |
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| 13:38.41 | jazbo | PerfDave: Oh believe me I've been googling nonstop for about two weeks and haven't found anything. I think better provider is the way to go. Verizon has got to be the most evil company I've ever encountered |
| 13:38.43 | jethro | PerfDave: mind if I want a serious answer, instead of you playing on words? I'm sure you got my point. |
| 13:38.52 | sobersabre | Is it worth the $ ? any particular problems ? |
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| 13:39.09 | PerfDave | jazbo: Make sure you let them know *why* you'r ecacnelling |
| 13:39.16 | jazbo | Pihhan, I've got other players, I just thought it would be cool to only have to carry one device |
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| 13:39.18 | lehel | hey.. which would be the command in debian for "rpm" in rh ? |
| 13:39.26 | jethro | lehel: dpkg |
| 13:39.28 | Fox | lehel: dpkg |
| 13:39.30 | jazbo | PerfDave, good point |
| 13:39.33 | PerfDave | jethro: You made an assumption which I feel was incorrect, that's all. If you meant "Debian-packaged kernels", you could have said so. |
| 13:39.46 | xored | what do i need to make a subversion server running. I installed the subversion, the apache module but what do i need further ? |
| 13:39.58 | Pihhan|O | jazbo: the carry other device than this :) |
| 13:40.02 | lehel | for example "rpm -qf .." to find out one executabils source package |
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| 13:40.32 | jethro | PerfDave: if I said kernel-image, some fuckwit would've said it's now called linux-image. anyway.. I'll just see that by myself, as all I get is a lame argument instead of helpful answers. |
| 13:40.32 | S0n1 | cpanel for debian have? .deb ? |
| 13:40.33 | Pihhan|O | lehel: dpkg-query maybe |
| 13:40.51 | PerfDave | jethro: FFS, chill out. I didn't say that you should have said kernel-image. |
| 13:40.58 | Acceos | S0n1 Cpanel aren't stable in Debian |
| 13:41.13 | PerfDave | jethro: Your question made it soudn liek you were ionly interested in Etch and Sid kernels. |
| 13:41.25 | stumbles | i'm configuring exim -- what should i put in for "system mail name" if i'll be handing deliver off to my ISP's smtp server? |
| 13:41.30 | jethro | PerfDave: nevermind. |
| 13:41.35 | PerfDave | jethro: FWIW, I get no results from grep -i pfkey /boot/config-2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 13:41.47 | jethro | ah, now that is more useful. thank you. |
| 13:41.50 | S0n1 | Acceos : cpanel - A configuration tool for Chinese desktop environment |
| 13:41.58 | S0n1 | becuse i need Portuguese |
| 13:42.10 | Acceos | Ok, wrong Cpanel then, nevermind :D |
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| 13:43.21 | Acceos | Pihhan|O None of them mirrors seems to work, do you got a working one? |
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| 13:44.01 | Pihhan|O | Acceos: no, i dont have 64machine myself, i dont need it |
| 13:44.08 | Acceos | Okey |
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| 13:46.25 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 13:46.25 | dpkg | somebody said popcon was the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 13:47.43 | jerome | good afternoon all. The sec team at my job set up a authenticated proxy to access the web. However, it doesn't accept PLAIN text auth. What's the best way to have apt-get use DIGEST auth ? |
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| 13:48.12 | os2finn | any finnish people around? |
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| 13:48.21 | tarzeau | !fi |
| 13:48.21 | dpkg | methinks fi is Finland, or the end of an if block, or an abreviation for First-In....as in FIFO First In First Out |
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| 13:48.51 | os2finn | how does one get finnish letters for gnome? |
| 13:49.37 | chigvan | hello, my java runtime wont work in firefox, it works fine in mozilla, but not firefox, i've added a symlink in Debian:/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins# like so - libjavaplugin_oji.so, still wont work, any ideas? |
| 13:50.01 | jm_ | chigvan: did you enable it in preferences? |
| 13:50.02 | Fox | what does about:plugins say ? do you see the java plugin ? |
| 13:50.08 | jm_ | does it show uop in about:plugins? |
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| 13:50.44 | chigvan | Fox, jm_ m it wont show in about plugins |
| 13:51.12 | Fox | chigvan: are you sure you simlinked to the right .so ? |
| 13:51.23 | Fox | s/sim/sym/ |
| 13:51.29 | Turki | hi, anybody here own a server? |
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| 13:51.46 | Fox | Turki: I think a lot of people do. What's the question ? |
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| 13:52.04 | chigvan | im pretty sure i simlinked to the right .so, as it works fine for mozilla |
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| 13:52.11 | Turki | What is the best server for debian, IBM or Dell |
| 13:52.19 | Acceos | Dell |
| 13:52.22 | jm_ | chigvan: that doesn't mean anything, maybe you have mistyped it |
| 13:52.36 | nvz | heh I spend like 2 minutes trying to bring up my screen session because I couldnt remember the key combo I assigned to it |
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| 13:52.42 | jm_ | chigvan: so start by doing file /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so |
| 13:53.01 | Dewi | how do I tell whether my current locale is a utf8 locale? |
| 13:53.14 | jm_ | Dewi: run locale charmap |
| 13:53.24 | Turki | what about the hard drives, I heared that RAID have troubles with linux (during boot) |
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| 13:53.54 | Fox | Turki: wrong |
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| 13:54.15 | chigvan | jm_, yes done that is says - symbolic link to `/usr/java/jre1.5.0_06/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so' |
| 13:54.21 | Turki | Good to hear that |
| 13:54.21 | Bebabo | Turki: say it is easier to have boot on a non-raid drive, but it is possible to boot from a raid |
| 13:55.06 | Turki | Is it easy to upgrade your blade server without having to recompile your kernel |
| 13:55.09 | jm_ | chigvan: and file on that says it's a shared library? |
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| 13:55.28 | Fox | chigvan: already tried to symlink to another libjavaplugin_oji.so that's into /usr/java/jre1.5.0_06/plugin/i386/ ? |
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| 13:55.39 | jm_ | chigvan: where did you get this java library? it doesn't look like it was installed the Debian way |
| 13:55.57 | chigvan | i installed it manually from the sun site |
| 13:56.20 | jm_ | well installing it the Debian way would automatically create necessary browser symlinks for you |
| 13:56.36 | Fox | chigvan: my symlink goes to the ns610-gcc32 version of libjavaplugin_oji.so |
| 13:56.37 | chigvan | fox, yes i symlinked it to mozilla (not mozilla-firefox) it works fine for mozill browser |
| 13:56.46 | jm_ | but either way that looks fine, the same works for me |
| 13:57.04 | Fox | chigvan: having it working for mozilla doesn't mean that it works for firefox |
| 13:57.25 | jm_ | chigvan: are you using non-standard firefox package? |
| 13:57.38 | nvz | wikipedia really badly needs google style what I mean not what I say features |
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| 13:58.04 | cahoot | what do you mean? |
| 13:58.08 | nvz | I am fucking tired of having to google before using wikipedia just because I am a yinzer |
| 13:58.27 | chigvan | jm_, no just firefox 1.5 release |
| 13:58.36 | jm_ | chigvan: is this on Sarge? |
| 13:58.42 | chigvan | jm_, yes |
| 13:58.52 | Acceos | I just changed apt mirrors to 64bit, now I get a error when I run apt-get update: W: Couldn't stat source package list http://bach.hpc2n.umu.se sarge/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/bach.hpc2n.umu.se_debian-amd64_dists_sarge_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
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| 13:59.09 | Turki | when I try to activate my wireless card IPW2200 the system hangs up, anybody faced something like that? |
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| 13:59.18 | jm_ | chigvan: ok, what does ldd /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/firefox-bin|grep stdc say? |
| 13:59.25 | Pihhan|O | are you sure that sarge exists in 64bit version? |
| 13:59.36 | nvz | cahoot: I mean I couldnt spell prednisolone and google just knows what I mean, wikipedia doesnt |
| 13:59.39 | jm_ | Pihhan|O: yes, we are, see #debian-amd64 |
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| 13:59.47 | Acceos | I used what: http://amd64.debian.net/README.mirrors.txt |
| 13:59.54 | cahoot | nvz: sorry - was just trying a lame joke |
| 14:00.10 | Pihhan|O | ok :) i wat not sure :) |
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| 14:00.26 | jm_ | Acceos: what do you mean you change apt mirrors to 64bit? |
| 14:00.29 | Pihhan|O | s/wat/were/ |
| 14:00.42 | mixter | hi! i'd like to use apache2-mtm-worker package instead of the prefork to gain some performance... when installing the apache2-mtm-worker apt wants to remove my installation of php. is this a known problem? |
| 14:00.46 | nvz | cahoot: oh well in case you dont know me very well I have an _extremely_ high IQ and absolutly _no_ common sense. jokes usually fly over my head |
| 14:00.47 | Acceos | I changed to the 64bit mirrors |
| 14:00.57 | Pihhan|O | Acceos: you cant only change to 64bit mirrors |
| 14:01.05 | jm_ | is that on 32bit system? it doesn't work like that |
| 14:01.07 | cahoot | nvz: I see |
| 14:01.10 | Turki | when I try to activate my wireless card IPW2200 the system hangs up, anybody faced something like that? |
| 14:01.14 | Pihhan|O | Acceos: you have to do clean install from that repository |
| 14:01.14 | Acceos | Ok, any suggestions? |
| 14:01.16 | chigvan | jm_, ldd: /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/firefox-bin: No such file or directory |
| 14:01.28 | jm_ | chigvan: ok find where the file is and ldd it |
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| 14:01.35 | Acceos | Pihhan|O The DC said they did |
| 14:01.42 | jm_ | Acceos: reinstall if you want 64 bit, or use chroot |
| 14:01.45 | Pihhan|O | Acceos: backup your settings, adn reinstall |
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| 14:02.02 | nvz | cahoot: usually things are funny because they are irrationally distorted.. but my intellect causes me to only see them literally. my boss makes fun of me all the time and has a good ol laugh.. he doesnt realize it doesnt bother me cause I am not as stupid as he is |
| 14:02.30 | Acceos | So, there isn't anything I can do from the net then? |
| 14:02.39 | Acceos | I don't really have access to the machine |
| 14:02.55 | Pihhan|O | Acceos: you can install amd64 libs |
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| 14:03.20 | Pihhan|O | Acceos: or install new system into chroot |
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| 14:03.31 | chigvan | jm_, libstdc++.so.5 => /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5 (0x40978000) |
| 14:03.37 | Pihhan|O | Acceos: or leave it 32bit as it is |
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| 14:03.57 | jm_ | chigvan: that looks fine and it should run with that lib (it does for me, but I use 1.0.7) |
| 14:04.05 | Acceos | I bought dual xeon64 to use it ;) |
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| 14:04.23 | Turki | when I try to activate my wireless card IPW2200 the system hangs up, anybody faced something like that? |
| 14:04.26 | Pihhan|O | then you have to install again |
| 14:04.27 | chigvan | jm_, Fox , thanks, I try deleting it and starting again |
| 14:04.32 | jm_ | chigvan: let me ask my bro |
| 14:04.51 | Acceos | Pihhan|O And you're sure the problem is that its 32bits now? |
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| 14:05.25 | jm_ | chigvan: it works for him |
| 14:05.41 | chigvan | jm_, alright , i'll mess about a bit more, thanks |
| 14:05.49 | Pihhan|O | Acceos: i am not amd64 expert, i installed it once. But libraries cant be half 64bit and 32bit in the same process |
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| 14:05.55 | Quadie | Hi! |
| 14:06.28 | Pihhan|O | Acceos: so you have to change all libraries (so whole system), or have two systems on one computer |
| 14:06.42 | Acceos | Ouch |
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| 14:08.12 | Pihhan|O | if you really want 64bit advantage, reinstall your system. Or you can experiment and have problems, or use it as normal debian, it its for one platform only |
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| 14:08.50 | mixter | hi! isn't it possible to use apache2-mtm-worker with php in debian? |
| 14:08.56 | Pihhan|O | it is possible having one process 32bit, one 64bit architecture |
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| 14:10.06 | Pihhan|O | but that processes must have different libraries, and debian is not ready yet to have it in the same root system |
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| 14:10.54 | Pihhan|O | you can make iptables for example 64bit, but rest system can be 32bits. thats why amd64-libs are there |
| 14:12.16 | Acceos | Pihhan|O Thanks |
| 14:12.20 | Wille88 | why my xorg crashes: http://rafb.net/paste/results/r5V7t355.html and http://ville.vankila.org/xorg.conf |
| 14:12.26 | Wille88 | debian unstable |
| 14:13.24 | jm_ | chigvan: assuming you also have this from backports |
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| 14:15.00 | jm_ | mixter: mtm or mpm? |
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| 14:16.06 | iciclebox | anyone knows a good way to import IE favorites into firefox? |
| 14:16.15 | jm_ | mixter: libapache2-mod-php4 depends on apache2-mpm-prefork |
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| 14:16.52 | abrotman | iciclebox: in windows? |
| 14:17.06 | iciclebox | abrotman: debian |
| 14:17.09 | KursK | I'm using debian sarge on an new pc, when I execute fdisk -l it gives no output, just nothing...what might be the probem? e.g. fdisk /dev/hda dows work |
| 14:17.12 | iciclebox | I'm moving from IE to debian |
| 14:17.24 | abrotman | iciclebox: IE is an OS now? |
| 14:17.27 | iciclebox | I meant windows :) |
| 14:17.35 | jetscreamer | Wille88: your modelines suck and so does your xorg.conf |
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| 14:17.42 | nkuttler | iciclebox: apt-cache search merge bookmarks |
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| 14:17.56 | nkuttler | iciclebox: on windows firefox should be able to do that itself |
| 14:17.58 | jetscreamer | Wille88: do the xmd5 thing then do the drxx thing |
| 14:18.09 | jetscreamer | !tell Wille88 -about xmd5 |
| 14:18.13 | jetscreamer | !tell Wille88 -about drxx |
| 14:18.18 | iciclebox | nkuttler: thanks |
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| 14:18.30 | jetscreamer | chose nvidia, and medium when asked, Wille88 |
| 14:18.33 | abrotman | iciclebox: not to be mean .. but the shortcuts in your Favorites are just text files .. `grep URL *` in your Favorites dir |
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| 14:18.41 | abrotman | wait .. that's not mean at all! |
| 14:19.01 | jetscreamer | Wille88: back up your pretty xorg.conf first |
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| 14:19.32 | jetscreamer | yeah they have the links inside |
| 14:19.39 | Wille88 | jetscreamer: ok. I agree about the modelines. |
| 14:19.40 | jetscreamer | or the shortcuts |
| 14:19.47 | jetscreamer | s/or/of |
| 14:19.50 | jetscreamer | / |
| 14:19.53 | iciclebox | abrotman: good, I wanna learn |
| 14:20.00 | Dewi | if I change debian's locale, is there anything I need to do to update gnome or java to cope with the change? |
| 14:20.14 | abrotman | iciclebox: that said .. i have no idea how FF stores favorites |
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| 14:20.17 | iciclebox | abrotman: from what I'm aware, grep will print the lines, but to put it into firefox? because I have a large number of favorites |
| 14:20.22 | jetscreamer | Wille88: if you just have to hand edit it, http://hfds.com/debian_files/xorg.conf.txt is a working example of one |
| 14:20.27 | iciclebox | abrotman: heh ok then |
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| 14:21.08 | abrotman | iciclebox: if you want me to look . i can try |
| 14:21.10 | Dewi | iciclebox: look on mozilla update for extensions which import/export bookmarks |
| 14:21.19 | Dewi | iciclebox: I'm sure you'd find something |
| 14:21.27 | jetscreamer | you dont' want the dri at the bottom though |
| 14:21.53 | iciclebox | Dewi: thanks |
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| 14:22.06 | iciclebox | abrotman: sure, why not |
| 14:22.08 | nkuttler | abrotman: should still be an html file... like in netscape |
| 14:22.39 | Dewi | nkuttler / abrotman : it is a HTML file, but it has things like ID's in... which seem to confuse it if you mess them up |
| 14:23.05 | Dewi | nkuttler / abrotman : possibly just because I might have doubled some up last time I tried it :P |
| 14:23.08 | abrotman | iciclebox: that is the craziest bookmark file ever! .. but if you want to learn what they look like. . should be really easy for you to add your own without using some third tool |
| 14:23.21 | abrotman | Dewi: i can see that being bad :) |
| 14:23.35 | abrotman | oh wait .. it says it's autogenerated |
| 14:23.37 | Dewi | abrotman: I remember only... "craziness" :P |
| 14:23.49 | abrotman | i wonder where it generates that from |
| 14:23.51 | iciclebox | abrotman: nah, then it's ok. I'm more interested in learning linux/debian |
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| 14:24.27 | Dewi | does anyone know if I need to do anything to java or gnome when I change my system's locale in a bit? |
| 14:24.47 | abrotman | gnome should be fine .. is java ever fine? |
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| 14:25.22 | Dewi | abrotman: java has great unicode support... it's the interface between it and debian that concerns me |
| 14:25.33 | abrotman | Dewi: how did you install it? |
| 14:25.39 | Dewi | abrotman: java-package |
| 14:25.55 | abrotman | i don't see why it would freak out .. but i don't know enough about java |
| 14:26.11 | Dewi | abrotman: maybe I should dpkg-reconfigure the thing I installed just to be sure (I don't think it even has any interactive options though) |
| 14:26.39 | Dewi | abrotman: or maybe I should just do that if/when it breaks |
| 14:26.48 | stumbles | how do dialup users configure exim when they don't have their own domain? i've set it to use a smarthost and that works, but i don't know how to make the mail appear to come from my regular address, rather than user@localhost.localdomain. |
| 14:26.51 | abrotman | why are you mucking with your locale? |
| 14:27.13 | Dewi | abrotman: because I am tired of filenames containing strings like 'bjork' getting scrambled or filled with underscores |
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| 14:27.25 | abrotman | Dewi: switching to UTF? |
| 14:27.28 | Dewi | abrotman: yeah. |
| 14:27.37 | Dewi | utf8 |
| 14:27.45 | abrotman | way better than UTF3 |
| 14:28.12 | iciclebox | where are tar files normally stored in the FHS? |
| 14:28.23 | Dewi | iciclebox: in the what? |
| 14:28.32 | Wille88 | jetscreamer: thanks. it works now. my config was very old and I have used it in many distros and setups. |
| 14:28.51 | iciclebox | Filesystem Hierarchy Standard for linux |
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| 14:28.58 | Dewi | iciclebox: what kind of tar file? |
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| 14:29.09 | Bebabo | anyone why lufs would segfault when accessing any ftp mount ? |
| 14:29.13 | iciclebox | a tar file for a program I downloaded off the net |
| 14:29.29 | iciclebox | just to store it so I don't have to redownloaded it, or I may want older versions etc |
| 14:29.34 | Dewi | iciclebox: you should use debian packages whereever possible |
| 14:29.45 | iciclebox | Dewi: yea, I'm trying to get the latest version though |
| 14:29.51 | iciclebox | and backports don't have it |
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| 14:30.22 | Dewi | iciclebox: okay... I don't know where people normally store them. I usually have a directory called "packages" in my non-root user's home |
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| 14:30.55 | iciclebox | Dewi: I guess I could do that. I was just wondering if there was a more 'official' directory, since the linux filesystem seems so organized |
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| 14:31.10 | Dewi | iciclebox: maybe the official approach is to use a package manager |
| 14:31.28 | abrotman | iciclebox: what program ? |
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| 14:31.51 | Dewi | abrotman: he just means application tarballs he has downloaded |
| 14:31.58 | abrotman | i know what he means |
| 14:32.06 | iciclebox | kcheckgmail |
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| 14:32.21 | iciclebox | stable version not working |
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| 14:33.04 | Dewi | iciclebox: if it doesn't have many dependencies you could try dipping into testing or unstable for it |
| 14:33.14 | abrotman | bad idea |
| 14:33.24 | Dewi | iciclebox: I might mean "no dependancies" |
| 14:33.28 | iciclebox | heh heh |
| 14:33.44 | abrotman | Dewi: C++ ABI change .. he'd probably have to pull half of testing |
| 14:33.48 | concept10 | is nessus a good app for checking rootkits and similar exploits on my sarge box? |
| 14:34.06 | Dewi | abrotman: I know... but if it's something java or perl or python you can sometimes get away without pain |
| 14:34.22 | abrotman | i will assume it's C++ Qt stuff |
| 14:34.29 | abrotman | !info kcheckgmail testing |
| 14:34.34 | dpkg | kcheckgmail: (KDE systray application to check GMail accounts), section kde, is optional. Version: 0.5.5-1 (etch), Packaged size: 98 kB, Installed size: 332 kB |
| 14:34.37 | iciclebox | maybe I'll just look for a working gmail notify |
| 14:34.39 | abrotman | !depends kcheckgmail testing |
| 14:34.41 | dpkg | kcheckgmail: depends on kdebase-bin (>= 3.2), kdelibs4c2a (>= 4:3.4.3-1), libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.16), libaudio2, libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libfam0, libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.1.5-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.2), libice6, libidn11 (>= 0.5.18), libjpeg62, libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.8rel), libqt3-mt (>= 3:3.3.5), libsm6, libstdc++6 (>= 4.0.2-4), libx11-6, libxcursor1 (>> 1.1.2), libxext6, libxft2 (>> 2.1.1), libxi6, libxinerama1, libxrandr2, libxrender1 (>> ... |
| 14:34.47 | abrotman | Dewi: feel better? |
| 14:35.01 | Dewi | nope. that makes me sad :P |
| 14:35.06 | fireba11 | hehe |
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| 14:37.09 | Tuttle_ | I use the mailman package from Debian Sarge package and found out the bug. It's not related to the security, so it's not going to be fixed in stable distro. Is it possible get it fixed so that it stays in the package and stay maintained by someone? Is there some place? |
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| 14:38.15 | Rawplayer | RE |
| 14:38.48 | nix | !bts |
| 14:38.48 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
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| 14:39.42 | nix | Tuttle_: also, apt-get install reportbug |
| 14:40.23 | ruoso | Hi... I'm considering buying a usb wheel joystick with pedals and, optionally, force-feedback... which is a good model with good linux support??? |
| 14:40.33 | Tuttle_ | I already filed the bug to BTS, the maintainer replied the bug is unreproducible by him (not surprise, it's related to l10n) and that it wont be fixed in stable anyway. |
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| 14:40.49 | jm_ | ruoso: kernel docs will tell you what is supported, Logitech Formula Force works for me |
| 14:40.56 | Tuttle_ | nix: I'm not asking about how to file a bug. |
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| 14:41.42 | WebMonkey | hi guys |
| 14:41.48 | ruoso | jm_, it's supported by the default joystick driver? or it's something different? |
| 14:41.48 | WebMonkey | slightly off-topic but... |
| 14:41.59 | WebMonkey | can i get some info/advice, my friend is trying to setup a router and we're a bit confused.. |
| 14:42.16 | WebMonkey | we have an ADSL connection, and have purchased a D-link di-624 wireless router, we have managed to get a connection from wifi enabled laptop to router (ping response) but we have no internet access |
| 14:42.23 | azeem | Tuttle_: did you check whether there maybe is a fixed version of mailman on backports.org? |
| 14:42.25 | WebMonkey | which connection method type would you normally set the router to for ADSL? PPPoE? |
| 14:42.33 | jm_ | ruoso: yes |
| 14:42.41 | Tuttle_ | azeem: yes, the site does not hold the mailman package. |
| 14:43.09 | WebMonkey | is it even possible to connect a ADSL modem via ethernet like this directly to a standard wireless router, or would we need an ADSL modem integrated router? |
| 14:43.29 | jm_ | ruoso: see CONFIG_JOYSTICK_IFORCE and related options |
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| 14:44.27 | jm_ | WebMonkey: usually PPPoE yes, but it can vary I guess |
| 14:44.31 | launch | Hi, i search an application like windows when you did ctrl-alt + the touch in top of verrmaj touch, to switch between application because i use ratpoison |
| 14:44.43 | jetscreamer | WebMonkey: usually you just plug the modem into the router |
| 14:44.45 | WebMonkey | jm_: ok understood |
| 14:45.04 | jetscreamer | works for non-pppoe also, least here it has. |
| 14:45.05 | WebMonkey | but its normal to have to setup the router up to do login authentication for ADSL? |
| 14:45.18 | jm_ | WebMonkey: you should be able to access router's status pages and verify details there |
| 14:45.24 | jetscreamer | the router can have > 1 way |
| 14:45.25 | nvz | defecate is just a funny word |
| 14:45.25 | WebMonkey | ok |
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| 14:45.41 | jm_ | WebMonkey: if you didn't, then there would be no point in having username/password, no? |
| 14:45.51 | launch | what is the name of the keyboard key upside the verrmaj |
| 14:46.12 | jetscreamer | like i can do dhcp pppoe static and something else with this one, and also with the wrt54g |
| 14:46.13 | WebMonkey | jm_ true, but i know nothing about adsl service as I'm a cable user and never need to login |
| 14:46.27 | jetscreamer | heh... here cable uses pppoe |
| 14:46.29 | WebMonkey | jetscreamer are you an adsl service user? |
| 14:46.39 | jm_ | WebMonkey: you can also call the ISP and ask for details |
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| 14:46.43 | WebMonkey | it seems to vary then for different ISPs eh |
| 14:46.47 | abrotman | jetscreamer: ADMIT IT .. you're an adsl addict! |
| 14:46.49 | jetscreamer | yes, but i've set up cable also |
| 14:47.00 | jetscreamer | yes, but only because of my irc addiction |
| 14:47.07 | WebMonkey | ok |
| 14:47.19 | jetscreamer | yes it depends on the isp |
| 14:47.42 | WebMonkey | thanks guys |
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| 14:48.08 | jetscreamer | like he said, go into your router's web admin page |
| 14:48.14 | jetscreamer | also the modem should have one |
| 14:48.27 | Cyorxamp | Hey, is there a way of communicating with my Nokia phone on linux (like the Nokia PC Suite) ? |
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| 14:48.58 | jetscreamer | sometimes they're both set at the factory to the same default ip (different companies) |
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| 14:49.27 | jetscreamer | and this one cable modem i know seems to imprint on the first mac addy it finds |
| 14:49.36 | jetscreamer | and you have to clone the mac |
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| 14:53.30 | stew | jetscreamer: often those will "forget" again if you hard power cycle them |
| 14:54.24 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 14:56.11 | Goldfisch | I have a SunBlade 150 and I'm trying to boot the netinst CD (etch), but it can't seem to get the kernel going. It ends up throwing "illegal instruction" while trying to allocate memory. I have "sparc" version of netinst. Is this the correct CD? |
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| 14:57.04 | epsilon | if it has sparc inside, yes |
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| 14:58.12 | Goldfisch | I lookedup Sun blade 150 is an UltraSparc IIi. |
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| 14:58.46 | Goldfisch | I am digging around on google to find some more info. |
| 14:59.26 | streuner | Goldfisch: there is a special site for it |
| 14:59.33 | streuner | Goldfisch: (debian) |
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| 15:00.31 | Goldfisch | I currently have the sparc debian installation manual web site up. I am also now searching debian's wiki site for sparc notes. |
| 15:00.54 | streuner | Goldfisch: one sec. |
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| 15:01.39 | jetscreamer | that's good to know stew, thanks |
| 15:01.50 | iciclebox | what's a good firewall for Debian? |
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| 15:01.59 | epsilon | iptables |
| 15:02.08 | iciclebox | how about antivirus? |
| 15:02.25 | epsilon | iptables -F |
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| 15:03.08 | stew | jetscreamer: yeah, just keep in mind that hitting the power switch on those things is often doing little more than turning of some leds, you have to actually yank the power on it |
| 15:03.39 | Ronin | iciclebox: no need unless your serving files or email to windows machines |
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| 15:04.37 | iciclebox | Ronin: both firewall and antivirus? |
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| 15:05.44 | Ronin | firewall is always a good idea but unless your say a mail server or file server to windows machines theres no need for an avp |
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| 15:06.01 | iciclebox | Ronin: thanks |
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| 15:06.07 | Morgan | DCC SEND "startkeylogger" 0 0 0 |
| 15:06.09 | epsilon | iciclebox: do you even have the concept how to use them? |
| 15:06.11 | Ronin | Morgan: moron |
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| 15:06.23 | Morgan | hahahaha |
| 15:06.24 | Morgan | DCC SEND "startkeylogger" 0 0 0 |
| 15:06.26 | Ronin | !ops Morgan is alooser trying the dcc send command |
| 15:06.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: Morgan is alooser trying the dcc send command |
| 15:06.36 | ke6isf | stats p |
| 15:06.38 | iciclebox | epsilon: no, of course not |
| 15:06.38 | ke6isf | oops... |
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| 15:07.26 | jazbo | iciclebox, I've found that a properly configured router makes a simple and very effective firewall. |
| 15:07.35 | Ronin | thanks azeem |
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| 15:07.54 | iciclebox | jazbo: I have a router, I'm just taking extra precautions |
| 15:08.23 | jazbo | iciclebox: do you have untrusted machines within your LAN? |
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| 15:08.28 | iciclebox | no |
| 15:08.32 | iciclebox | I'm just paranoid :) |
| 15:08.34 | epsilon | iciclebox: go learn iptables. see you in few weeks |
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| 15:08.56 | iciclebox | jazbo: anyhow, it's a good learning experience |
| 15:09.03 | iciclebox | even if superfl |
| 15:09.06 | iciclebox | even if superfluous |
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| 15:09.41 | neuterspAWAY | good job |
| 15:10.05 | Goldfisch | streuner: I was briefly detached from the channel. Did you have some website you were looking up for me? |
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| 15:10.41 | streuner | Goldfisch: sorry, i can't find anymore |
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| 15:10.50 | jazbo | iciclebox: true true, learning is good. You might look into the WRT54G router. You can load a version of linux (called OpenWRT) onto it and then have a fully configurable firewall running on the router. You can ssh onto the router to configure... VERY cool |
| 15:10.53 | Goldfisch | streuner: Okay. Thanks. |
| 15:11.32 | iciclebox | jazbo: thanks, sounds nice |
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| 15:13.19 | jcollins | has udev or sysfs changes between 2.6.11 and 2.6.15? I ask because I had some custom rules for USB memory sticks built around the 'BUS="usb"' output from udevinfo, and this doesn't seem to be present anymore |
| 15:13.58 | streuner | Goldfisch: most of us here use i386, so another option is to subscribe here: http://lists.debian.org/debian-sparc/ |
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| 15:14.46 | resiak | jcollins: Yes, at least udev changed |
| 15:15.22 | jcollins | resiak: did they decide to drop the usb output? |
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| 15:15.50 | jcollins | just trying to understand the reasoning and/or if it is a change or misconfiguration on my end |
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| 15:16.14 | incorrect | hi, what is the best tool to use to view a cvs repository via a web browser? cvsweb? |
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| 15:17.38 | fiete | I cant install udev since it needs a kernel > 2.6.12. But I want to provide my own kernel. HELP? |
| 15:18.03 | azeem | why not run a kernel > 2.6.12 on your own? |
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| 15:18.29 | fiete | I compiled and installed a kernel created with make-kpkg |
| 15:18.37 | ahmed | I'd like to teach Linux fundamentals. Any 'Free' Linux training material ? |
| 15:18.42 | incorrect | fiete try a backport |
| 15:18.47 | fireba11 | fiete: why did you make your own kernel ? |
| 15:18.49 | thingfish | fiete: if you feel backports.org's packages are safe, you might try them. They have a 2.6.15 that is working quite well on my system. |
| 15:18.52 | fiete | Im using etch |
| 15:19.07 | resiak | jcollins: I don't know any more than what I just said |
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| 15:19.20 | incorrect | you shouldn't if you don't know what you are doing then should you |
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| 15:20.19 | bessel | hi how to use sed to pick up lines 11, 21, 31, ...? |
| 15:20.28 | fiete | even when I install a precompiled kernel from testing udev still compains |
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| 15:20.32 | jcollins | thingfish: you using udev? and do you have a removable USB storage device? |
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| 15:20.44 | fiete | i do |
| 15:21.09 | sami__ | what is best imapd in your opinion? enviroment requires virtual accounts for less 50-100 users... |
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| 15:21.53 | fireba11 | sami__: courier isn't bad ... dovecot is worth a shot if it's no company environment |
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| 15:22.40 | sami__ | fireba11, it's company enviroment with dovecot currently running |
| 15:23.04 | sami__ | but shared folders and lack of prober acl makes it pain in the ass |
| 15:23.07 | fireba11 | sami__: :-) it's jsut dovecot isn't that mature yet so i wouldn't suggest it .. but fi you use it already you should be fine |
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| 15:23.12 | thingfish | jcollins: it's on my system (sarge), required by gnome-volume-manager iirc. And sorry, no USB devices except my joystick. |
| 15:23.28 | bessel | hi how to use sed to pick lines 11, 21, 31, etc? it seems to use '11~10' for addresses but I dont know how to continue. |
| 15:23.49 | jcollins | thingfish: =( was hoping you could help confirm the change I'm seeing in udevinfo output |
| 15:23.50 | sami__ | fireba11, i've been planning to swap to courier but i'm still open for new alternatives |
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| 15:24.30 | fireba11 | sami__: not many options fi you need advanced features |
| 15:24.35 | romulo | hi, does anyone know a spam filter for evolution or gnubiff? |
| 15:24.44 | sami__ | fireba11, in courier? |
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| 15:24.47 | fireba11 | sami__: courier, cyrus ... |
| 15:24.53 | Ronin | romulo: locally i run popfile |
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| 15:25.18 | sami__ | at least shared folders and acl's is in the must-list |
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| 15:25.33 | fireba11 | romulo: why don't you sue spamassassin ? |
| 15:25.52 | fireba11 | sami__: and that's not possible with dovecot ? |
| 15:25.53 | romulo | never did |
| 15:26.06 | Ronin | on the mta i run sa |
| 15:26.15 | sami__ | fireba11, nope |
| 15:26.36 | romulo | going to use this assassin thing..but i need it to look gnubiff and evolution for my gmail acc |
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| 15:27.22 | nvz | ahmed: thats not really on topic here, and that really all depends on what you consider to be the fundamentals of linux. I consider shell commands and file system structure..etc to be fundamentals of linux, but you may be talking from a windows refugee point of view.. people who wouldnt know what to do with a shell command or know what a filesystem is |
| 15:27.40 | alumnos__ | ola |
| 15:27.53 | nvz | excuse me? |
| 15:28.07 | alumnos__ | hello |
| 15:28.11 | flashnet | hola |
| 15:28.17 | Ronin | !es |
| 15:28.17 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:28.17 | romulo | Ronin, sa? |
| 15:28.28 | nvz | thats not spanish, its hola in spanish |
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| 15:28.35 | Ronin | romulo: was to lazy to type out spamassassin |
| 15:28.41 | romulo | ah i see =) |
| 15:29.07 | Ronin | nvz: all sounds the same to me when i dont speak any/either :) |
| 15:29.07 | nikko | hi... I have a realtek 8169 1G on my laptop, but it just tries to DHCPDISCOVER.. and then it fails... what can I do now? |
| 15:29.07 | flashnet | yeah what about the people that speak both languages? |
| 15:29.18 | nvz | I wonder how I can get free xrays or get someone else to pay for them.. heh |
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| 15:29.32 | thingfish | nvz: look for a free clinic. |
| 15:29.38 | romulo | nikko, check first if the interface address exists |
| 15:29.45 | romulo | nikko, check ifconfig as root |
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| 15:30.00 | nvz | thingfish: there are free xray clinics that I can walk into, and be like "yo hook me up with some free xrays?" |
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| 15:30.15 | nikko | yeah... but I get no ip-adresss |
| 15:30.24 | romulo | nikko, the interface is up? |
| 15:30.31 | romulo | nikko, try to run dhclient, or setup it manually |
| 15:30.33 | nikko | no.. :( |
| 15:30.39 | thingfish | nvz: not free x-ray clinics per se, but free general medicine clinics where they do all sorts of medical work, including of course x-rays. |
| 15:30.54 | romulo | nikko, dmesg | grep eth, check if your card appear |
| 15:30.57 | nvz | thingfish: hmm. I would think you would have to qualify for such care |
| 15:30.57 | romulo | if doesnt try lspci |
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| 15:31.11 | thingfish | nvz: I think all you have to do is tell them you're poor. |
| 15:31.16 | thingfish | if that, even. |
| 15:31.34 | nvz | well I am definatly poor and I am in constant pain. I need xrays and a chiropractor. |
| 15:31.35 | Bushaki | DCC SEND "startkeylogger" 0 0 0 |
| 15:31.38 | Bushaki | aww |
| 15:31.39 | Bushaki | ffs |
| 15:31.40 | thingfish | but I don't know; I haven't been to one before, but my roommate has. They didn't ask him anything at all about his income, iirc. |
| 15:32.18 | nikko | yeah... my card appears.... |
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| 15:32.19 | nvz | I may be able to afford the chiropractor but I doubt I can affor the xrays |
| 15:32.19 | nikko | and lsmod gives that r8169 is loaded |
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| 15:32.19 | nvz | s/can/can |
| 15:32.19 | nvz | t/ |
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| 15:32.20 | thingfish | nvz: back pain is nothing to ignore. |
| 15:32.20 | nvz | damn it |
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| 15:32.21 | jazbo | bessel: cat foo.txt | awk 'BEGIN{i=1} (NR==i){print; i+=10}' |
| 15:32.23 | nvz | thingfish: its way more than back pain |
| 15:32.38 | nikko | it is very strange... |
| 15:32.47 | bessel | jazbo: thanks, let me try. |
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| 15:32.53 | nvz | thingfish: its whole body pain. mostly upper back/neck and shoulder area lately.. but my whole body is broken |
| 15:33.06 | thingfish | nvz: then get yourself checked out. If you live in or near a big city, you should have no problem finding a free clinic. |
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| 15:33.11 | nvz | thingfish: between football, car accidents.. I am all bent up and I need to be straightened |
| 15:33.34 | romulo | nikko, try to configure it manually or do dhclient |
| 15:33.35 | thingfish | nvz: sounds like you indeed do need a trip to the bone crackers. |
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| 15:33.59 | thingfish | nvz: a chiropractor might let you make payments. |
| 15:34.11 | thingfish | nvz: for the x-rays, that is. |
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| 15:34.20 | nvz | thingfish: yeah my friend has been going 3 times a week and they just crack his back and pop his shoulder in place for $30 and send him on his way.. but I know that I am going to need way more work than he does |
| 15:34.23 | nikko | maybe its because that its a 1G card.... could I manually configure to be 10/100 somehow? |
| 15:35.00 | romulo | nikko, whats the problem with 1g? |
| 15:35.03 | romulo | i do use a 1g one |
| 15:35.06 | nvz | thingfish: the accident we were in recently was probably his first.. it was at least my third.. I cant really keep track anymore :P |
| 15:35.10 | thingfish | nvz: if you've been out of whack for a while, yes, because your muscles have probably cramped up into the distorted position they're in as a result of your injuries. |
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| 15:35.57 | nvz | thingfish: I've been out of wack my whole life I was way too rough on my body.. and since I never broke any bones I figure they must be all bent up or something :P |
| 15:35.59 | mejo | hello |
| 15:36.05 | thingfish | hehe |
| 15:36.07 | mejo | i search for a good solution to transform iso-8859- |
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| 15:36.16 | mejo | i search for a good solution to transform iso-8859-* strings into utf8. |
| 15:36.23 | priscila | mejo: iconv |
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| 15:36.31 | nvz | thingfish: its so uncomfortable sometimes I think I'd rather just be pressed off with a steam roller or something |
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| 15:37.17 | thingfish | nvz: I hear you. Best see about getting to a doctor or chiropractor soon. |
| 15:37.19 | nikko | I read on the internet that maybe its because that the card is 10/100/1000... and could try to maually configure it to 10/100... but dont now how? maybe its because of that... its very strange that it does work... |
| 15:37.29 | nvz | I cant stand being in a car, and if someone has a sub woofer I am probably gonna punch them in the face cause I can feel the vibrations in my bones |
| 15:37.30 | mejo | priscila: iconv needs to know the source encoding, correct? |
| 15:37.51 | linuxdev | hi all, is there a linux driver for infrared keyboard?? |
| 15:37.59 | mejo | priscila: i don't always know what the encoding of the to-be-converted string is. |
| 15:38.02 | priscila | mejo: yes |
| 15:38.13 | mejo | priscila: is there a way to detect the encoding of a string? |
| 15:38.51 | priscila | mejo: i don't know any way to do it .. |
| 15:38.55 | coolpix | lo |
| 15:39.35 | mejo | bad |
| 15:39.47 | nvz | thingfish: yeah my job involves bending over a lot and a good deal of repetitive motion separated by uncomfortable periods of inactivity my boss thinks I am just lazy but the shit hurts unless I am laying down or reclined |
| 15:40.28 | jazbo | linuxdev: I would think you'd be able to use lirc |
| 15:40.48 | nvz | I try to save myself the bending by taking all the trays over at once and sitting on the floor and emptying the bottom bins out all at once |
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| 15:41.48 | thingfish | nvz: the longer you let it go on without treatment, the more likely you're doing permanent damage. |
| 15:41.52 | nvz | I know its bad cause I cant just wiggle myself out of it anymore.. I used to be able to work out the pains on my own.. now its getting worse.. time to find a doctor |
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| 15:44.06 | nvz | right now I need my left shoulder set.. its killing me just to sit here |
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| 15:46.27 | nvz | I've heard lots of people in my day complain about lower back trouble, but I'd have to say if you get in the situation I've been in lately with your upper back, shoulders and neck hurting its way worse I can crack and even massage my lower back on my own.. nothing I can do about this |
| 15:46.56 | Dunedan | Hi! I want to hotplug a sata hdd to my system. In syslog a got the following message: "Mar 8 16:29:49 localhost kernel: nv_sata: Secondary device added", but I don't know how to acces the drive, because there is no node under /dev. Does anybody know what I should do? |
| 15:47.03 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 15:47.28 | thingfish | seriously, though - it's been a miracle for me. stopped taking effexor even. |
| 15:47.55 | bipolar | I'm currently trying to figure out how to configure ldap replication under debian. Is slurpd supposed to have an init.d script? |
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| 15:48.19 | petemc | Dunedan: you sure hotplugging is supported? |
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| 15:48.50 | jcollins | anyone know why the output of udevinfo (same version) changed between kernels 2.6.11 and 2.6.15? |
| 15:48.55 | Dunedan | dunno. It's a nforce4 chipset. |
| 15:49.05 | fireba11 | Dunedan: hotplug support in hardware as well as in software is still rare |
| 15:49.25 | Dunedan | and the message in syslog? |
| 15:51.20 | locus | is it a problem to include several mirrors in sources.list which contain the same set of packages? If not, in what order are dublicate package locations processed? |
| 15:51.33 | jcollins | top down |
| 15:51.37 | fireba11 | locus: why you want to do that ? |
| 15:51.42 | locus | thanks |
| 15:52.13 | jcollins | one reason would be CD and FTP/HTTP repos |
| 15:52.34 | jcollins | at time of release the CD and the FTP/HTTP repos would have the same pacakges |
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| 15:53.13 | fireba11 | jcollins: usually it's way faster to use ftp/http then craming for the cd ^^ |
| 15:53.14 | locus | fireba11, I have set up a local partial mirror but I also want to add an official mirror in case one of the desired packages is not stored in the local mirror |
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| 15:53.43 | locus | im trying to set up fai, fyi |
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| 15:54.27 | fireba11 | locus: hm .. shouldn't a mirror keep his package lsits up to date and get a package if its requested and not already on the mirror ? |
| 15:54.42 | hollywoodstar | DCC SEND hihowareyoualltoday |
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| 15:54.44 | jcollins | fireba11: you're assuming the person has a decent broadband connection |
| 15:54.46 | hollywoodstar | oops |
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| 15:54.51 | m0rbid | How do I add a user to sound? |
| 15:54.58 | fireba11 | jcollins: correct |
| 15:55.00 | Spliffster | high room, anyone in here using linux to send sms over the mobile phone (irda/bluetooth) ? if so ... what tools are recommendable? |
| 15:55.13 | locus | jcollins, which is not the case here ;) |
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| 15:55.36 | seba | Hi guys. What is the coolest irc client for Debian? I've just installed xchat and bitchx. |
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| 15:55.54 | kspath_ | coolest? |
| 15:55.57 | locus | whichever is the coolest for you ;) |
| 15:56.02 | fireba11 | jcollins: and most packages are small enough that even a modem line doesn't cause a big delay in installing :-D |
| 15:56.04 | seba | ok |
| 15:56.04 | azeem | seba: the other option being irssi |
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| 15:56.11 | azeem | seba: pick whatever you like best |
| 15:56.21 | tijn | wierd question :S |
| 15:56.25 | priscila | seba: use irssi and be happy |
| 15:56.32 | Spliffster | seba: if you are using im as well, i can recommend Gaim |
| 15:56.42 | jcollins | fireba11: that's not been my experience |
| 15:56.46 | epsilon | seba: put a bnc server in refrigerator and irc through it |
| 15:56.53 | seba | i ask becouse i want to set up a file share script, or something like that |
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| 15:57.04 | Spliffster | seba: irssi is nice commandline chat, which has a high "coolness-coefficient"! |
| 15:57.15 | fireba11 | jcollins: only big packages are desktop environment and kernels ... |
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| 15:57.28 | tijn | but it think xchat is more used.... |
| 15:57.56 | kspath_ | seba: if you want cool than perhaps irssi is close to ZERO degrees Kelvin. |
| 15:58.09 | azeem | kspath_: kelvin doesn't have degrees |
| 15:58.13 | m0rbid | How do I go about filing a bug issue with xorg and savage? |
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| 15:58.25 | kspath_ | azeem: mine does |
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| 15:58.55 | fireba11 | kspath_: then pay more attention oin physics :-) |
| 15:59.00 | nvz | heh |
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| 15:59.59 | nvz | kspath_: what the hell kind of response is that? |
| 16:00.19 | priscila | kelvis is an absolute temperature |
| 16:00.34 | priscila | ops s/kelvins/kelvin |
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| 16:00.50 | seba | I prefer Celcius degrees |
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| 16:01.05 | kspath_ | nvz: There is no need to respond. No action can be an action. |
| 16:01.16 | nvz | heh |
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| 16:01.48 | nvz | I've not touched a quantum mechanics or physics book in so long I dare not go any further |
| 16:01.55 | wienczny | hi |
| 16:01.57 | nvz | sounds like Zeno's Paradox to me |
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| 16:02.55 | initzero | well at least irssi rox hard :p |
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| 16:03.28 | delta___ | Is there any simple reason why nautilus (in unstable) "can't open smb://anyhost/anyshare"? |
| 16:03.28 | priscila | i prefer my own scale, it's too simple to do one. you learn how to do it in high school :P |
| 16:03.31 | kspath_ | nvz: There is no point. Much of the terms are simply to have a method/way of describing "whatever" to the best of our limit ability. |
| 16:03.43 | kspath_ | +ed |
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| 16:03.54 | nvz | personally after refreshing my definition of kelvin this whole Triple point thing got me confused.. I dont recall ever learning of this. and furthermore I cannot imagin a equilibrium of solid, liquid and gas |
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| 16:04.44 | seba | delta___: may be you don't have running the smb daemons? |
| 16:04.52 | kspath_ | thermodynamics is often shoved to the side |
| 16:04.54 | _ToNhO_ | como instalo minha ati radeon 9600 no debian? |
| 16:05.06 | delta___ | seba: I need daemons for smb client functionality? |
| 16:05.07 | kspath_ | plasma |
| 16:05.33 | seba | i'm not sure... smbclient, perhaps? |
| 16:05.37 | abrotman | !es |
| 16:05.37 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 16:06.13 | delta___ | seba: Didn't help |
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| 16:06.27 | priscila | _ToNhO_: do you asked it in debian-br? |
| 16:06.47 | seba | becouse i have a W.XP share, and i can't access the share from a chrooted environment where i dont run the samba deamons |
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| 16:07.09 | seba | but, i don't know why |
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| 16:07.11 | DoktorTomoe | I have a problem with sarge's apache2 after compiling php5.1.2. Apache keeps telling me "/usr/sbin/apache2ctl: line 100: 1752 Segmentation fault $HTTPD -k start -DSSL", then dies. any idea what to do? |
| 16:07.27 | _ToNhO_ | priscila: sorry i forget its in english |
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| 16:08.09 | nvz | ETOOCOMPLICATED, I will have to come back to this later when I am not so tired and uncomfortable.. seems interesting.. I dont know how I went from regular elementary science to quantum science without ever reading about thermodynamics |
| 16:08.15 | kspath_ | nvz: there are four known states +plasma |
| 16:08.22 | abrotman | DoktorTomoe: there's something you can use to checkt eh conf syntax |
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| 16:08.54 | kspath_ | nvz: how can one use the ls command without understand the file system |
| 16:08.57 | DoktorTomoe | abrotman: The configuration syntax is ok. |
| 16:09.09 | abrotman | try disabling SSL ? |
| 16:09.18 | DoktorTomoe | abrotman: how? |
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| 16:09.31 | ma3x_ | @find dv2jpg |
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| 16:09.50 | nvz | kspath_: same way one can eat a hamburger at the local fast food resturant without knowing what a cow looks like |
| 16:10.12 | kspath_ | nvz: elementary science is too elementary , you end up rehashing the same material for a decade with no real progress later WHAM |
| 16:10.13 | priscila | kspath_: you need to mont the disk, and ls will work very well |
| 16:10.55 | kspath_ | nvz: I was trying to parallel the idea of not needing one to use the other. |
| 16:11.00 | ravenbird | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'dv2jpg' returned no results. |
| 16:11.28 | nvz | kspath_: yeah this happened to me in my 3rd year of school when math started dealing with larger numbers.. and they started talking about hundred-thousands and I was like.. how the hell can you have a hundred thousand, when a thousand is more than a hundred.. took me a while to get past that |
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| 16:11.45 | EtherNet | hello |
| 16:11.53 | nvz | kspath_: I've since abandoned base 10 as far as my mental processes go. |
| 16:11.56 | EtherNet | I'm trying to get pptp working and I've got this error when trying to connect from a client: Mar 8 13:11:17 localhost pptpd[12090]: GRE: read(fd=4,buffer=804e6c0,len=8196) from PTY failed: status = -1 error = Input/output error, usually caused by unexpected termination of pppd, check option syntax and pppd logs |
| 16:12.04 | nvz | kspath_: its just too confusing |
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| 16:12.26 | delta___ | EtherNet: Well, did you check the option syntax. Or maybe the pppd logs? |
| 16:12.35 | kspath_ | nvz: umm, perhaps scientific notation would work for you in base 10 |
| 16:12.42 | EtherNet | delta___, I've got this from /var/log/syslog I enabled debug option |
| 16:12.56 | javiolo | how can I see ssh activity in real time via terminal ? |
| 16:13.18 | delta___ | EtherNet: IIRC pppd has various levels of debugging verbosity... |
| 16:13.24 | cire | I think my xorg.conf is set up correctly, but I cannot switch to 1280x800 in kde settings. (max is 1024x768). I also am not sure whether I am using 1024x768 or 1280x800. How may I find out this? |
| 16:13.28 | EtherNet | delta___, you know how to enable more debug ? |
| 16:13.28 | delta___ | javiolo: Could you explain? |
| 16:13.36 | petemc | javiolo: define activity |
| 16:13.38 | delta___ | EtherNet: Sry, not by heart |
| 16:13.48 | EtherNet | delta___, okas |
| 16:13.57 | javiolo | petemc SSH login access attemps |
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| 16:14.10 | cahoot | cire: xdpyinfo is one way |
| 16:14.11 | petemc | javiolo: tail -f /var/log/auth.log | ccze |
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| 16:14.16 | delta___ | javiolo: Should get logged to auth.log and/or syslog |
| 16:14.23 | nvz | kspath_: might have helped too if my teacher wasnt a moron and assumed we were too.. she kept making us draw points on our numbers to help us count and stuff like that, when I could do all the math including the long division correctly in my head. yet I had to doodle out the work with extra little dots on each number.. impeding my learning process |
| 16:14.34 | javiolo | ok petemc delta__ thanks |
| 16:14.37 | quitte_ | nvz: you're lucky you're not german. 43 is like threeandforty here |
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| 16:15.52 | javiolo | petemc you meant tail -f /var/log/auth.log | grep ccze ? |
| 16:16.18 | petemc | javiolo: huh? |
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| 16:16.23 | nix | quitte_: french is better. quatre-vingt = 80. e.g. 4 times 20. :) |
| 16:16.24 | petemc | javiolo: no |
| 16:16.36 | nvz | little did I know a few years later they would arm me with a programmable calculator I was to use on my classwork, homework, and tests.. which aided in further deteriorating my understading of mathematics |
| 16:16.36 | stumbles | hi, I'm planning on using a remote SMTP server for exim to send mail, but i'm not sure what i'm meant to put in the "system mail name". Can anyone please explain this value to me? |
| 16:16.37 | javiolo | petemc whats ccze ? |
| 16:16.49 | petemc | javiolo: apt-cache show ccze |
| 16:16.50 | quitte_ | nix yes i learned it. numbers made me hate it. and my teachers |
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| 16:17.04 | kspath_ | nvz: other issue would be the moron teacher saying one hundred thousand even if considered correct it is WRONG 100,000 is 100 thousands plural 100 groups of one thousand |
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| 16:17.11 | cire | cahoot: Thanks, now I am sure that only 1024x768 is used. How may I change to 1280x800? |
| 16:17.14 | quitte_ | nix my favorite is 99. quattre-vingt-dix-neuf |
| 16:17.16 | valdyn | stumbles: the domain name your system is handling mail for |
| 16:17.36 | valdyn | stumbles: gmail.com for adresses like foo@gmail.com |
| 16:17.43 | javiolo | petemc thanks again |
| 16:17.50 | nvz | kspath_: yeah thats how she said it, and confused the hell out of me for over a week I went from top of the class to unable to even participate |
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| 16:18.02 | quitte_ | kspath_: units are always singular might be an explanation |
| 16:18.05 | kspath_ | nix: We still have that in English though mostly historical score == 20 |
| 16:18.24 | kspath_ | quitte_: a number is not a unit |
| 16:18.30 | quitte_ | 1 is a unit |
| 16:18.33 | nvz | kspath_: wasnt just 3rd grade or math either.. the whole cirriculum all through school was just like you said.. same shit reorganized in a way that seems to just make everything harder to digest |
| 16:18.33 | stumbles | valdyn: right, well i'm just on a dynamic ip, so does that mean i don't have one of those? |
| 16:18.42 | nix | score means 20? well i never did like old english classes:) |
| 16:18.45 | valdyn | stumbles: you should let exim only handle local mail |
| 16:18.55 | valdyn | stumbles: and let your mail program do the delivery |
| 16:18.57 | kspath_ | quitte_: Joule Celsius degree Pascal are units |
| 16:18.59 | nvz | I am the kind of person I could eat information whole the first time around.. further cramming is just gonna make it pop out the other ear |
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| 16:19.13 | nvz | I start selectivly ignoring things after a while |
| 16:19.22 | valdyn | stumbles: thunderbird etc dont need a local mta for delivery |
| 16:19.59 | kspath_ | quitte_: 5 is just 5 the units are listed to the right in many places |
| 16:20.04 | stumbles | valdyn: so there's no way i can set it up to be able to send with regular MUAs like mutt etc? |
| 16:20.05 | nix | nvz: well guess what, im pretty sure that that applies to most people if they are really interested in the information provided :) |
| 16:20.17 | stumbles | valdyn: remotely that is |
| 16:20.19 | nix | which is why you have to repeat stuff at school. /sigh |
| 16:20.42 | quitte_ | kspath_: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One |
| 16:20.46 | nvz | nix: exactly.. if someone would have told me years ago, look you arent really here to learn anything.. I would have been a lot better off |
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| 16:21.05 | kspath_ | quitte_: I care NOT what that says. I am telling you unit has a meaning. |
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| 16:21.25 | nvz | thats why I left school cause at the time, thanks to them I was highly uneducated and being that I thought I was there to learn.. it seemed like a complete waste of my time.. so I moved on working and learning on my own |
| 16:21.34 | quitte_ | kspath_: and 1 is unit. number*1*your unit of choice |
| 16:21.40 | nix | nvz: i jumped the boat at 17. but you do miss student life if you start to work that soon |
| 16:21.42 | valdyn | stumbles: its ok to use your email adresses domain part is system mail name and let exim deliver mail coming from clients like mutt |
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| 16:21.56 | kspath_ | quitte_: can you read what you just typed please |
| 16:22.16 | quitte_ | kspath_: it lacks a "a" |
| 16:22.24 | nvz | nix: yeah and I would have been an academic probably my whole life. I would still be in school today I love learning things I cant get by if I'm not learning. |
| 16:22.57 | nvz | nix: public education ruined it for me cause nobody ever told me that it was gonna be that way |
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| 16:23.08 | kspath_ | nvz: the degree people are amusing since you can convert to and from Kelvin and F and C it might as well have degrees |
| 16:23.21 | malba | ola |
| 16:23.21 | concept10 | does openoffice 2 format to .pdf pretty well ? |
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| 16:23.26 | nvz | I assumed all educational institutions were like that and I was better of figuring everything out on my own |
| 16:23.37 | malba | k tal alwuien abla en espańol |
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| 16:23.43 | valdyn | stumbles: this would be a mess to set up for multiple users with multiple different email addresses, but for 1 user systems its ok |
| 16:23.44 | nix | !es |
| 16:23.44 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:24.10 | stumbles | valdyn: ah right, that's what i was wondering about |
| 16:24.36 | valdyn | stumbles: well, dont worry about it if you're the only user of your system.. |
| 16:24.45 | kspath_ | nvz: You can still learn though it feels better if you have people to talk with about it sometimes. You can still learn sciences maths other |
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| 16:24.54 | gentgeen__ | Anyone have an opinion on Creative Labs Sound BlasterŽ Live!? 24-Bit (SB0410) vs. Turtle Beach Riviera Six-Channel PCI Sound Card (RIVERA) on Debian??? |
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| 16:25.22 | malba | ola |
| 16:25.43 | kspath_ | nvz: Even at good schools there are people that get degrees that can only parrot back what they memorized with no real comprehension of it at all. |
| 16:25.52 | concept10 | gentgeen__, go with the 24bit as long as it works |
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| 16:26.03 | nvz | kspath_: I learn every day. its just that I would much rather be having the kind of intellectual stimulation a college or university could provide than just everyday life and #debian |
| 16:26.25 | kspath_ | nvz: I agree mostly. |
| 16:26.27 | bb7 | hi, is there a interface for alle different hardware raid driver to query the raid status? |
| 16:26.34 | stumbles | valdyn: ok so now i can send, but the mails sent via the smarthost have an extra "Received:" header coming from my fake domain -- should i worry about this? |
| 16:26.46 | kspath_ | nvz: I loved studying physics and chem and math and ... |
| 16:26.48 | nvz | kspath_: I crave knowledge I cant get enough of it. |
| 16:26.51 | valdyn | stumbles: no |
| 16:27.04 | kspath_ | nvz: it builds on itself |
| 16:27.09 | gentgeen__ | concept10, they are both listed as 24-bit actually... and where I am shopping, the are the same price :-) |
| 16:27.27 | valdyn | stumbles: delivered mails will get stuff added to the header by your mta, that's np |
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| 16:27.58 | kspath_ | nvz: As you learn you start to learn what you do not know and that can cause a craving to fill in those blank parts or replace the misunderstanding with something else. |
| 16:28.08 | concept10 | gentgeen__, well do your research, you probably wont find someone to pick the best card for you here |
| 16:28.53 | bb7 | is there a way to check the status of hardware-raid system like cat /proc/mdstat for software raid? |
| 16:29.06 | valdyn | bb7: i dont think so |
| 16:29.10 | stumbles | valdyn: so what you're saying is that for a multi-user setup, unless you have a domain name for your mail server, you should stick with local delivery only and use thunderbird etc. |
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| 16:29.16 | petemc | bb7: depends on the hardware |
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| 16:29.28 | valdyn | bb7: or in other words, depends on your raid hardware and its drivers |
| 16:29.32 | bb7 | ok thank you |
| 16:29.44 | bb7 | an interface for all different drivers would be good.. |
| 16:30.04 | valdyn | stumbles: you could use mutt as long as you find a way to let each user use its own custom 'sendmail' command |
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| 16:30.31 | gaditana16 | olaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 16:30.33 | valdyn | stumbles: a global sendmail from exim obviously wont work.. |
| 16:30.34 | abrotman | !es |
| 16:30.34 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:30.34 | gaditana16 | edada |
| 16:30.41 | gaditana16 | edad? xico? |
| 16:30.56 | valdyn | stumbles: i havent bothered to figure that one out, its probably much easier than it sounds |
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| 16:31.06 | gaditana16 | espańollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll |
| 16:31.09 | abrotman | !es |
| 16:31.09 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:31.15 | kspath_ | nvz: The world is however filled with those that decided that they know enough and that is more than enough. |
| 16:31.16 | stumbles | valdyn: thanks for all the explanations! :) |
| 16:31.16 | abrotman | gaditana16: /join #debian-es |
| 16:31.23 | kspath_ | !tell gaditana16 about es |
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| 16:31.58 | thingfish | yay for azeem! |
| 16:32.07 | thingfish | that's some good opping. |
| 16:32.21 | satans_ny | !se |
| 16:32.21 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, se is Social Engineering. Sweden |
| 16:32.32 | neuterspay | What do you get when you compile this? Debian Sarge 2.6 standard perl can't http://perlmonks.org/?node_id=298594 |
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| 16:33.17 | malba | ola |
| 16:33.21 | abrotman | perl poetry sucks |
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| 16:33.24 | azeem | malba: this is an english channel |
| 16:33.27 | abrotman | azeem: he's back |
| 16:33.34 | malba | kien abla en espańol awuien |
| 16:33.39 | abrotman | azeem: do the ban forward thingie! |
| 16:33.48 | malba | ola ai alwuien |
| 16:33.50 | kspath_ | !tell gaditana16 about br |
| 16:33.51 | initzero | yo fuck off comprende ;) |
| 16:33.54 | kspath_ | !tell gaditana16 about es |
| 16:34.00 | thingfish | kspath_: that's not br. |
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| 16:34.03 | neuterspay | pero pero... |
| 16:34.04 | malba | jairo_12_@hotmail.com o sino maria_elbosk@hotmail.com |
| 16:34.06 | neuterspay | ante que te cases |
| 16:34.06 | azeem | kspath_: and he left |
| 16:34.09 | neuterspay | miro lo que haces. |
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| 16:34.16 | thingfish | of course, it wasn't really es, either, spelled that way at least. |
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| 16:34.28 | azeem | neuterspay: do you want to be quieted as well? |
| 16:34.34 | neuterspay | Oh no - I was talking to him. |
| 16:34.37 | neuterspay | I said look before you leap. |
| 16:34.41 | neuterspay | ;) |
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| 16:34.58 | valdyn | stumbles: ok the solution is 'apt-cache show esmtp' ) |
| 16:35.29 | kspath_ | thingfish: I do not know anything about portugeuse(sp?) so when it looks like spanish but is not I tend to assume because I lack knowledge that it must be brazil or portugal |
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| 16:35.54 | thingfish | kspath_: that's certainly understandable. |
| 16:35.59 | kspath_ | thingfish: I lack knowledge of french and romanian as well |
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| 16:36.04 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 16:36.10 | nvz | kspath_: bah my philosophy is that when you reach that point you are for all intents and purposes a corpse |
| 16:36.24 | thingfish | I don't know anything about romanian, except that it's a romance language. |
| 16:36.27 | kspath_ | nvz: my nation is filled with them |
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| 16:36.32 | nvz | kspath_: a conclusion is just where you've rested or better yet given up thinking |
| 16:36.32 | blazemonger | <-- finds Debian to be extremely easy |
| 16:36.34 | abrotman | no it's not |
| 16:36.37 | valdyn | thingfish: it isnt |
| 16:36.40 | thingfish | oh yes it is. |
| 16:36.44 | abrotman | no it's not |
| 16:36.54 | valdyn | its slavic |
| 16:37.02 | thingfish | yes it is. many people think it's a slavic langauage. it is not. |
| 16:37.02 | stumbles | valdyn: and esmtp-run by the looks of it -- cheers, i'll take a look |
| 16:37.03 | nvz | kspath_: yeah I know I was born of them, I work for and with them... etc |
| 16:37.05 | kspath_ | valdyn: romanian is latin based |
| 16:37.10 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romance_Languages |
| 16:37.15 | nvz | kspath_: I was educated in my younger days by them |
| 16:37.16 | valdyn | kspath_: i lose |
| 16:37.18 | thingfish | I studied slavic linguistics. |
| 16:37.19 | juanma5 | it's a romance language ;) |
| 16:37.23 | stew | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_language |
| 16:37.36 | thingfish | it's taken some from slavic languages, but it's a romance language. |
| 16:37.45 | kspath_ | valdyn: it is an easy mistake easy with some accents and words |
| 16:37.54 | thingfish | it looks like a hard one to learn, to my eyes. |
| 16:37.54 | kspath_ | especially |
| 16:37.56 | Ronin | yep its a nice quiet day today if you guys have the time to argue over romance languages |
| 16:37.57 | abrotman | valdyn: we were both wrong :) |
| 16:38.04 | thingfish | hehe |
| 16:38.10 | soledad | lo |
| 16:38.12 | thingfish | (Ronin) |
| 16:38.14 | nvz | kspath_: granted having a mind like that of the people who hang out here on #debian has its disadvantages as well.. I'd rather be a thinker than a corpse |
| 16:38.34 | kspath_ | I know some Romanian words but I do not know the language. |
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| 16:38.46 | nvz | kspath_: my need to constantly reanalyze and think about things causes me to often have more trouble doing simple tasks than the corpses |
| 16:38.59 | thingfish | I wish I could speak all known languages. |
| 16:39.09 | priscila | itallian is a pretty and sensual language |
| 16:39.12 | thingfish | or at least know enough to read them. but that's a silly wish. |
| 16:39.36 | thingfish | priscila: have you ever heard brazilian portuguese, especially the carioca accent? |
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| 16:40.01 | kspath_ | nvz: that is only a difference in automation. think of martial arts for instance. If you study that after a while 10-20 years it is automatic even though at first it required great concentration. |
| 16:40.09 | thingfish | priscila: it's real sensual and relaxed. |
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| 16:40.20 | priscila | thingfish: i speak brazilian portuguese :P |
| 16:40.33 | thingfish | priscila: :) |
| 16:40.40 | thingfish | e uma bela lingua. |
| 16:40.43 | thingfish | ;) |
| 16:40.50 | nix | well languages are just that, languages. if we were able to understand the concept/idea the language is trying to display, well, then you dont need language. |
| 16:40.58 | priscila | thingfish: sim ;) |
| 16:41.25 | thingfish | nix: so there's no need for communication then? if so, how? telepathy? |
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| 16:42.12 | thingfish | and "a" is always "a", btw. |
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| 16:42.24 | kspath_ | Even body movements are called body language. |
| 16:42.57 | kspath_ | sign language has the equivalents of all letters/words/ideas |
| 16:43.08 | priscila | you may use gesticulation to do a communication ;) |
| 16:43.14 | nvz | kspath_: including slan |
| 16:43.15 | kspath_ | even the name includes the word language |
| 16:43.17 | nvz | slang even |
| 16:43.23 | nix | well, before you even finish a sentence, you (usually) already know what you are going to say. so the idea or concept is there before language kicks in |
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| 16:43.47 | thingfish | priscila: but, unless it's an established sign language, your likelihood of communication beyond the most rudimentary level is low. |
| 16:43.59 | kspath_ | nix: that does not transmit the idea to other minds |
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| 16:44.26 | kspath_ | nix: the concept in your mind does not transmit to another mind without some form of communications/language |
| 16:44.58 | kspath_ | nix: even if we were to use telepathy there would need to be a common language of concepts and ideas and images |
| 16:44.58 | thingfish | nix: now that is an entirely different matter. |
| 16:44.59 | nix | thats only if you think it originates in the mind. but i digress and might start to illuminate and fly if i continue so |
| 16:45.01 | nix | :0 |
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| 16:46.02 | thingfish | nix: christian mystics often claim that this is how communication with god is like - on the pre-word level, if the mystic is spiritually developed enough. |
| 16:46.18 | thingfish | nix: but outside of that, we humans need words. |
| 16:46.21 | kspath_ | nix: we are all parts of a greater intelligence? |
| 16:46.36 | neuterspay | http://perlmonks.org/?node_id=298594 Can somebody please compile this and see what the output is? I'm having compile errors that I know shouldn't be. |
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| 16:46.56 | nix | and all that, yes. which is why i'll refrain from continuing, way too off topic:) |
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| 16:47.10 | nix | and highly subjective |
| 16:47.15 | thingfish | kspath_: hehe if that's true, our collective average IQ just dropped dramatically. |
| 16:47.21 | kspath_ | nix: The human mind requires ideas/concepts/images which is a language/communication words and letters and language as you are describing it is not how I would define it. |
| 16:47.42 | nvz | nix: heh. I've had such theories that our thoughts transcend our mind and body.. but there is of course little scientific evidence |
| 16:47.45 | valdyn | even thinking requires words. |
| 16:47.59 | nix | well take egyptians. no words but images |
| 16:48.13 | nix | hieroglyphs are they called |
| 16:48.15 | abrotman | must have made dinner conversation pretty crappy |
| 16:48.24 | quitte_ | right and they didnt speak but had pictures coming out their moths |
| 16:48.44 | thingfish | wrong, nix. those symbols (hieroglyphs) had a corresponding sound/word. |
| 16:48.52 | FoxAFK | bye |
| 16:49.02 | nix | not what i'm saying :) but their language, whichever it was, must have been closer to the image/idea/concept behidn it |
| 16:49.26 | thingfish | maybe, but then you could also say that about chinese writing. |
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| 16:49.30 | quitte_ | is there any chance you guys will go back to topic any time soon? |
| 16:49.30 | nix | yep |
| 16:49.44 | kspath_ | Have you not left your mind in a sense and had a multitude of ideas/concepts fly past and when you come out of it you notice almost no time has passed? That idea that that is somehow supernatural or wierd is a matter of perception/experience/learned ideas/other.... |
| 16:49.49 | Ronin | quitte_: dont hold yoru breath on it :) |
| 16:50.00 | nvz | heh |
| 16:50.05 | kspath_ | I can just leave which will help a lot. |
| 16:50.11 | nvz | I am leaving too so.. |
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| 16:50.31 | nvz | my friend got off work early so I am going out |
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| 16:50.36 | thingfish | really - it's not even Friday evening, and I haven't even had a cocktail yet. |
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| 16:51.38 | nvz | I may not have phone service.. but that doesnt stop my friends |
| 16:51.44 | sami__ | have anyone any experience about Bynari insight server? |
| 16:52.15 | Ronin | nvz: no phone? seriously? |
| 16:52.18 | nvz | hah. fuck sprint! :) |
| 16:52.29 | nvz | Ronin: oh I got the phone, just no service |
| 16:52.33 | Ronin | ahh heh |
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| 16:52.43 | die-Sel | my book is 4days overdue |
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| 16:53.11 | Ronin | die-Sel: more likely slap the local post office |
| 16:53.37 | blazemonger | I lost 40 gigs of e-books |
| 16:53.43 | Goldfisch | Now we're getting somewhere. I put this sunblade sparc into test-all mode, rebooted agai with debian's CD, and it read the initrd successfully! |
| 16:53.49 | die-Sel | lol indeed |
| 16:54.01 | Goldfisch | I've been fighting this machine for two hours. |
| 16:54.22 | nvz | remindes me the time my friend steve was telling me about not having a car... "when I had a car I could go out and do whatever I wanted, but now I am home steve, and home steve has to wait until one of his friends is doing something, or he isnt doing anything" :P |
| 16:54.32 | die-Sel | well it doesnt help wen the postal service has been on strike and a backlog of 1.7millions pieces of mail |
| 16:54.54 | nvz | ironically home steve lost his car cause he payed rent instead of car payment |
| 16:55.17 | Turki | Hi, I'm having trouble with ipw2200 wireless adaptor, DHCP doesn't work, did anyone have the same problem? |
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| 16:55.42 | Cyorxamp | How do you delete a symlink? |
| 16:55.48 | nvz | rm |
| 16:55.51 | quitte_ | Turki: did you compile your own kernel? |
| 16:55.55 | thingfish | Both my sisters work for Sprint. They have to rip people off: my sisters are too well-paid for it to be any other way. |
| 16:56.02 | Turki | Yes |
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| 16:56.19 | Turki | I enable ACPI' |
| 16:56.22 | nvz | Cyorxamp: surprisinly this is exactly what rm does, unlink files |
| 16:56.35 | quitte_ | Turki: then read your logs. the error is in there. you forgot some kernel option. or use pump |
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| 16:56.58 | Turki | OK, I'll give it a shot, thanx |
| 16:57.13 | priscila | Turki: i use acpi with the default sarge's kernel. |
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| 16:57.44 | nvz | Cyorxamp: because files are basically all links.. the structure you know as a file is really just metadata that is linked to the actual data on the disk the file contains, and when you remove it, you are not actually removing it, but unlinking the metadata and allowing the file to then be used as though it were free space and overwritten by the following write operation. |
| 16:57.54 | nvz | the exact logistics greatly depends on the filesystem though |
| 16:58.19 | nvz | alright well that's my cue.. I am out.. later |
| 16:58.45 | FlopsyPete | anyone know of a GNOME VPN client that will work with OpenVPN on the server please? |
| 16:59.17 | nix | FlopsyPete: a gnome vpn client? what about using openvpn client instead? |
| 16:59.52 | nikko | hi...how can I change the IRQ for my networkcard? |
| 16:59.55 | FlopsyPete | nix: whats the package called for that? |
| 17:00.00 | nix | openvpn-client? |
| 17:00.40 | joloc | The Debian menu doesn't show up on my Gnome desktop. What can I do? |
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| 17:01.09 | FlopsyPete | nix: there's no such package in Testing. where are you finding it? |
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| 17:02.21 | nix | FlopsyPete: its just 'openvpn', you'll need to configure it as a client. |
| 17:02.43 | nix | try apt-cache search openvpn. |
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| 17:02.51 | neuterspay | GNUbie |
| 17:03.03 | neuterspay | Gnoo |
| 17:03.13 | neuterspay | Gnew |
| 17:03.14 | FlopsyPete | nix: well yeah, I know openvpn exists, but you said openvpn-client. So, if I installt he server software you're saying it comes with a client too? |
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| 17:04.46 | widow_ | Hi, I've a gpg question gpg --list-key 'id' doesn't show me a sub key - how can i create afterward's a sub key ? |
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| 17:05.35 | amee2k | how stable is XFS in a high-availability production environment? |
| 17:06.08 | nix | pretty solid. |
| 17:06.23 | nix | just make sure it runs on battery backed raid cards and that it has UPS |
| 17:06.47 | nix | but thats trivial for HA |
| 17:07.05 | amee2k | yea |
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| 17:08.27 | nix | FlopsyPete: openvpn is just that. depending on the config file, it behaves as a server or as a client. |
| 17:09.50 | FlopsyPete | nix: ok, thanks. my only experience of it so far is setting it up as an IPCop module for Windows users. but now its setup I possibly wouldn't trust users with Windows so want to try it using Debian |
| 17:10.45 | nix | the openvpn site has good howtos. and the manpage says all if you have some networking knowledge |
| 17:11.09 | unstable | If someone wants to get destroyed in network tetris by me, apt-get install gtetrinet and then start the client as non-root and connect to tetrinet.debian.net |
| 17:11.16 | FlopsyPete | thanks, I'm checking them out now |
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| 17:14.09 | CiDUZ | hey |
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| 17:14.23 | CiDUZ | could anyone tell me a good utility to get the installed hardware in my notebook? |
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| 17:15.13 | linex | HOLA SAMI SOY MARCELO |
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| 17:15.22 | thingfish | CiDUZ: dmesg and lspci can tell you a lot. |
| 17:15.25 | Ronin | wrong channel linex :) |
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| 17:15.35 | neuterspay | We HATE spanish in here. ;) |
| 17:15.46 | Ronin | not exactly true |
| 17:15.55 | linex | dshdcbcxvbcxdshn,Ąhldhld nfkosssssssssssssssssssssssssssmfbgpbspmdbńcxvmkbnńxv kcgmnb kvm ńkgp pdm ńdkgmhb ńńm bńlkd bpń dpm pdbm |
| 17:16.00 | Ronin | on the other hand |
| 17:16.03 | CiDUZ | thingfish: okay, I'm looking for my installed graphiccard |
| 17:16.07 | linex | gffffffç |
| 17:16.08 | linex | g |
| 17:16.09 | neuterspay | Jibberish is worse. |
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| 17:16.09 | CiDUZ | lets see.thank you |
| 17:16.14 | Ronin | must be the air in spain or something |
| 17:16.15 | curt | !es |
| 17:16.15 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 17:16.46 | thingfish | CiDUZ: see what lspci | grep VGA tells you. |
| 17:16.53 | neuterspay | I speak spanish and wouldn't for a second consider going to #debian-es (shudders). Gross. |
| 17:16.54 | CiDUZ | alredy got it |
| 17:16.55 | CiDUZ | thanks |
| 17:16.56 | CiDUZ | :) |
| 17:17.02 | neuterspay | I'd rather just stay here and speak english. |
| 17:17.05 | thingfish | no problem. |
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| 17:17.58 | curt | neuterspay, your english is good so that's fine! |
| 17:18.20 | neuterspay | My spanish is better. |
| 17:18.25 | neuterspay | And my perl's even better than that. |
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| 17:18.45 | Mortis_kruuul | http://www.forum.muzyka.oz.pl :P |
| 17:18.52 | curt | hehe |
| 17:18.54 | curt | !perl |
| 17:18.55 | dpkg | i guess perl is the Pathologically Eclectic Rubbish Lister, or confusing as hell to learn but quite powerfull if you know how to use it, or see http://learn.perl.org/library/beginning_perl/ |
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| 17:20.29 | EtherNet | is there a way to patch the kernel with dpkg / apt-get without recompiling the kernel? |
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| 17:20.47 | azeem | EtherNet: no, unless you mean installing optional kernel modules |
| 17:20.55 | EtherNet | azeem, mppe I have to instal |
| 17:21.00 | yggdrasil | does debian use .xinit or .xsession ? |
| 17:21.33 | azeem | yggdrasil: some parts of debian sure do |
| 17:21.42 | dpm_ | quick question: I want to connect 2 debian boxes with a crossover cable to check ethernet connectivity. I'm gonna give them 2 static IP addresses. Do I have to specify a gateway in /etc/networking/interfaces or can it be left blank? |
| 17:21.59 | curt | !xsession |
| 17:22.00 | dpkg | xsession is, like, ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
| 17:22.00 | stew | yggdrasil: startx will use either, most (all?) dms will use .xsession |
| 17:22.06 | valdyn | dpm_: dont need a gateway |
| 17:22.09 | PerfDave | dpm_: It's optional, and probably wrong to use one. |
| 17:22.25 | yggdrasil | stew thanks.. |
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| 17:22.36 | yggdrasil | stwe just having soem problems gettign stuff to start up.. |
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| 17:23.05 | yggdrasil | stew imparticular fluxbox |
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| 17:23.43 | cahoot | hej, vad bra |
| 17:24.43 | stew | yggdrasil: are you using "startx" or a DM? |
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| 17:25.10 | yggdrasil | stew ive got gdm autologging in .. stupid htpc you know |
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| 17:25.26 | stew | yggdrasil: put your .xsession into a pastebin |
| 17:25.55 | yggdrasil | its completley empty.. |
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| 17:26.46 | stew | yggdrasil: create one with "startfluxbox" in it |
| 17:26.56 | yggdrasil | stew ok.. |
| 17:27.52 | yggdrasil | stew i think i just screwed up... |
| 17:28.03 | davi | Should I use "pear upgrade-all" or "apt-get update" to update the PEAR ? |
| 17:28.12 | yggdrasil | stew gimea minute here... |
| 17:28.22 | stew | take as long as you want |
| 17:28.45 | EtherNet | does the kernel images offered by apt-get brings mppe ?I meant this module: ppp_mppe |
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| 17:29.16 | stew | EtherNet: http://vireo.org/~stew/kconfig |
| 17:29.19 | blazemonger | is it me or is debian easy to adapt to |
| 17:29.37 | blazemonger | i come from freebsd land |
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| 17:31.30 | thingfish | blazemonger: what can we say? Debian is just...so darn good. |
| 17:31.41 | jade | folks, my port 20 is closed according to nmap. in /etc/services i have line 'ftp-data 20/tcp', but no matching line in /etc/inetd. should there be a line? |
| 17:32.21 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 17:32.21 | dpkg | well, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 17:32.27 | yggdrasil | stew i did something and now x isnt starting .. im not at the computer im remoted in... |
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| 17:33.11 | nayyres | is this true that MS - Internet Explorer have used mozilla source code? if yes how can i check it? |
| 17:33.11 | stew | yggdrasil: the log is /var/log/Xfree86.0.log (or Xorg.0.log ), it should say at the bottom what is wrong |
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| 17:33.28 | yggdrasil | ok stew thanks |
| 17:33.33 | blazemonger | thingfish, :yah i'm a newbhie to linux but not to unix..i switched because of Rosegarden |
| 17:33.43 | Wille88 | why make-kpkg complains about this: http://rafb.net/paste/results/TIggEa42.html |
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| 17:35.08 | thingfish | blazemonger: wow, rosegarden looks pretty cool. |
| 17:35.10 | stew | Wille88: maybe try "make-kpkg clean" |
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| 17:35.18 | stew | thingfish: rosegarden rocks |
| 17:35.43 | stew | thingfish: if you are on etch/unstable, i have 1.2.3 packaged (waiting for someone to sponsor the upload) |
| 17:36.00 | thingfish | stew: no, I'm on sarge, thanks anyway though. |
| 17:36.21 | CiDUZ | hmm..anyone knows which hardware device a notebook built-in touchpad is assigned to? |
| 17:36.28 | blazemonger | thingfish, :that's mostly what made me swittch to linux |
| 17:36.36 | stew | CiDUZ: /dev/psaux ; /msg dpkg synaptics |
| 17:36.42 | blazemonger | freebsd is great but for midi sequencing it's not |
| 17:36.47 | blazemonger | at least *yet8 |
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| 17:37.34 | stew | upstream for rosegarden is extremely active too which is exciting |
| 17:37.43 | elirips | hello people. i am currently using kde 3.3.2 from sarge, now i would like to update to the backport of kde 3.5 from backports.org. do i need to uninstall my existing kde first, or can i set in /etc/apt/preferences a higher priority for each of the packages (kdebase, kdemultimedia, etc) and simply do an update/upgrade? |
| 17:37.45 | stew | they are currently working on adding guitar tabs |
| 17:37.46 | blazemonger | the main difference i've found in debian is how packages are managed and how linux kernel configuration is different but not complex |
| 17:37.59 | yggdrasil | stew ima have to pastebin this xlog... |
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| 17:38.42 | CiDUZ | stew: thanks! |
| 17:39.41 | Tim001 | I want to run the web-install of debian but modprobe failes, what to do? |
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| 17:40.03 | PerfDave | Web install? |
| 17:40.11 | Tim001 | yes |
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| 17:40.23 | PerfDave | What's a web install of Debian? Is this some Knoppix thing? |
| 17:40.25 | AndorrAlex | servus weasel1902 |
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| 17:40.37 | thingfish | elirips: when you choose to install the newer KDE, it should upgrade what you already have, no need to remove it first, at least that's what I'm guessing. |
| 17:40.43 | Mortis_kruul | http://www.forum.muzyka.oz.pl :P |
| 17:40.50 | weasel1902 | servus andorralex |
| 17:40.56 | thingfish | !netinstall |
| 17:40.56 | dpkg | netinst is probably a small cd or set of floppy images which install the base Debian system. For sarge, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ For boot floppies see http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ For etch see http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/etch_d-i/i386/beta1/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso for x86, or see dialup install. Also see d-i. |
| 17:40.56 | Tim001 | not that I know, the version where you get all the packages from the net |
| 17:41.05 | hcy | hi, something's using my soundcard so i can't mplayer anything else, but i don't know what it is. how can i find out? |
| 17:41.05 | Ronin | ahh a netinstall |
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| 17:41.28 | bernardo | How can i configure my sound board? |
| 17:41.30 | PerfDave | Tim001: The netinstall CD? |
| 17:41.32 | jade | i did iptables -F and now the server is locked up |
| 17:41.42 | elirips | thingfish, i'm just thinking because what i have now, was installed through the meta-packe 'kde'. but there is no such meta-package on backports.org (or i did not see it?), so i would have to add each of the packages to apt/preferences. |
| 17:41.44 | PerfDave | jade: Log in on the console :) |
| 17:41.47 | blazemonger | you having trouble with mplayer? |
| 17:41.52 | Tim001 | PerfDave: yes |
| 17:41.57 | jade | PerfDave, i cannot, why did iptables -F do that? |
| 17:41.59 | PerfDave | Tim001: The web != the net ;) |
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| 17:42.08 | Tim001 | ok |
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| 17:42.25 | nix | jade: if your iptables POLICYs are DROP and you flush your table, it becomes unreachable |
| 17:42.27 | Tim001 | but:modprobe failes, what to do? |
| 17:42.27 | hcy | how can i figure out what's using my soundcard so i can kill it? |
| 17:42.31 | bernardo | blazemonger: i cant hear any sound from my system... (only when i put a cd) |
| 17:42.33 | yggdrasil | stew : http://yggdrasil.pastebin.com/591061 i dont actualy see anythig wrong... |
| 17:42.38 | PerfDave | jade: Probably because you have a default DENY rule on your INPUT chain and just flushed any way of accessing the machine over the network. Use the keyboard, or a serial consoe. |
| 17:42.44 | ough | where can i find 'wavplay' ? |
| 17:43.00 | PerfDave | Tim001: You put in the netinstall CD. What do you type, what do you see? |
| 17:43.13 | Tim001 | boot, then enter |
| 17:43.27 | Tim001 | select language etc. |
| 17:43.32 | Tim001 | than: |
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| 17:43.56 | Tim001 | modprobe: failed to load module ide-detect |
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| 17:44.12 | stew | yggdrasil: yeah, there are no errors there, what actually happens? |
| 17:44.17 | hcy | i'm getting "[AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy". how can i stop that? |
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| 17:44.24 | bernardo | blazemonger: i cant hear any sound from my system... (only when i put a cd) |
| 17:44.26 | yggdrasil | stew its just not starting up i guese. .. ? |
| 17:44.27 | blazemonger | mm |
| 17:44.27 | ough | where can i find the binary 'wavplay' ? |
| 17:44.32 | blazemonger | ive never had problems with mplayer |
| 17:45.15 | Tim001 | there am I now |
| 17:45.16 | stew | yggdrasil: but it works again when you comment out startfluxbox? |
| 17:45.17 | PerfDave | Tim001: Are you sure that your CD is good? Did you check the MD5SUM of the ISO when you downloaded it? |
| 17:45.25 | bernardo | blazemonger: yeah...its weird |
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| 17:45.31 | Tim001 | i'll do now |
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| 17:45.35 | stew | yggdrasil: i've never used fluxbox, you might check /usr/share/doc/floxbox and see if "startfluxbox" is really the right thing |
| 17:45.36 | PerfDave | Tim001: Also, what hardware are you installing on? Does it have an odd IDE controller, or a SATA controller? |
| 17:45.36 | Tim001 | hold on |
| 17:45.36 | yggdrasil | stew no i didnt um do it that what fiel is it ? and the cmd please ... |
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| 17:45.42 | redguy | bernardo: mixer settings perhaps? maybe "pcm" or "wave" is muted |
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| 17:45.49 | PerfDave | Tim001: Also, try using the 2.6 kernel on the installer if all else fails. |
| 17:45.55 | stew | yggdrasil: editor ~/.xsession ; add a # before startfluxbox |
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| 17:46.02 | yos87 | hi |
| 17:46.09 | Tim001 | the hardware is an older HP vectra VE |
| 17:46.17 | bernardo | redguy: no...i already set the volumes! |
| 17:46.45 | yggdrasil | stew .xsession its empty... |
| 17:46.51 | PerfDave | Tim001: "older HP" screams "weird hardware" to me, you might want to try googling for it + linux to see if other people have had issues, if the CD is good and 2.6 kernel doesn't work. |
| 17:46.55 | yos87 | HI , can I prodeuct some folder with a password? |
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| 17:47.33 | tarzeau | which kernel package of debian do i want (sid) for model name : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+ ? |
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| 17:47.57 | PerfDave | tarzeau: -k8 or -k8-smp if it's dual-core |
| 17:48.14 | hcy | please, someone tell me how to restart the sound server or whatever. just restarting X doesn't help |
| 17:48.16 | blazemonger | the only thing i've not gotten to in debian in my two days of migration is building .deb packages |
| 17:48.22 | PerfDave | tarzeau: That may be -amd64-k8 and -amd64-k8-smp actually |
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| 17:48.25 | yos87 | !hi |
| 17:48.25 | dpkg | hello, yos87 |
| 17:48.31 | tarzeau | PerfDave: i use i386 linux,... k8 is not found |
| 17:48.33 | blazemonger | but that's what the docs are for :) I like debian because it has all of the developers references |
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| 17:48.42 | PerfDave | tarzeau: They're in i386 Sarge |
| 17:48.45 | tarzeau | PerfDave: guess i'll take linux-image-2.6.15-1-k7 |
| 17:48.51 | tarzeau | PerfDave: i've got sid, not sarge |
| 17:48.52 | yos87 | !product file and folders |
| 17:49.20 | cahoot | hcy: 'fuser -v /dev/dsp' might tell you what's occupying it |
| 17:49.22 | PerfDave | tarzeau: Yes, you said. I don't know why they've been removed from sid, but hey, it's sid. |
| 17:49.25 | Tim001 | PrefDave: google-> nothing, good CD->on hold, but what do you mean with 2.6 kernel |
| 17:49.33 | asperon | when doing an install with the debian installer (etch/testing), do i need to do anything special when creating the partitions, since now it seems to hang after it has formated the two partitions i created? i made / bootable but left it at all the other defaults? |
| 17:49.43 | Tim001 | do I try to run it or what? |
| 17:49.48 | PerfDave | Tim001: The installer has a 2.4 kernel (which is the one that is hanging) and a 2.6 kernel. The 2.6 kernel might support your hardware better. |
| 17:49.51 | tarzeau | PerfDave: fine, i'll need to patch my kernel anyways for gnokii+something, so... |
| 17:49.57 | PerfDave | Tim001: Note: "PerfDave" not "PrefDave" |
| 17:50.06 | tarzeau | PerfDave: just wanted to check if debian kernel of sid works on my hardware.... |
| 17:50.20 | Tim001 | error (shame) |
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| 17:50.28 | hcy | cahoot: thanks, i'll try |
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| 17:50.36 | PerfDave | Tim001: Bad CD? |
| 17:50.40 | yos87 | peterS: Hi |
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| 17:50.56 | yggdrasil | stew should it be startfluxbox or start fluxbox ? |
| 17:51.04 | hcy | cahoot: nope, just returns a blank line |
| 17:51.10 | blazemonger | i do have a question what is that debian bsd distro called again? |
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| 17:51.22 | tarzeau | blazemonger: debian gnu/kfreebsd |
| 17:51.26 | tarzeau | blazemonger: #gnu-kbsd |
| 17:51.27 | blazemonger | is it any good tabris|away ? |
| 17:51.36 | tarzeau | blazemonger: very good, yes |
| 17:51.41 | blazemonger | i think i'd probably like that since i'm used to freebsd |
| 17:51.43 | tarzeau | blazemonger: there's even an amd64 port of it |
| 17:51.52 | blazemonger | so it's like Debian for BSD users ? |
| 17:51.54 | tarzeau | blazemonger: go ahead, it's the same installer |
| 17:52.00 | blazemonger | Sweeeeeeeeeeeeettt |
| 17:52.01 | tarzeau | blazemonger: it's like very cool |
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| 17:52.05 | blazemonger | i didn't know it existed |
| 17:52.17 | Sonny | does somebody know how to install skype in debian? |
| 17:52.24 | PerfDave | blazemonger: It's a FreeBSD kernel, with GNU libc, apt and Debian repositories. |
| 17:52.24 | Tim001 | result of md5sum: 8c6577c54cef4c2ca1cbdf319516e6d5 *debian-31r1a-i386-netinst.iso |
| 17:52.35 | blazemonger | sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet |
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| 17:52.39 | blazemonger | that's sopmething i would love |
| 17:52.40 | Tim001 | but where to find the correct |
| 17:52.41 | PerfDave | Sonny: Ask Skype how to install their shoddy non-Free software :) |
| 17:52.42 | Tim001 | ? |
| 17:52.42 | yopi___ | heya |
| 17:52.45 | blazemonger | i love the freebsd kernel |
| 17:52.50 | PerfDave | Tim001: From the place you downloaded the ISO |
| 17:53.03 | tarzeau | PerfDave: haha the kernel failed to install, due to some mkinitrd shit |
| 17:53.05 | yopi | stoopid question: how do I set quota for users? |
| 17:53.25 | Tim001 | no sorry, not at http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 17:53.40 | PerfDave | tarzeau: Welcome to SID |
| 17:53.56 | hcy | cahoot: any other ideas? |
| 17:53.57 | blazemonger | PerfDave, :so if i like freebsd and debian id love gnu/kfreebsd? |
| 17:54.06 | tarzeau | blazemonger: yes. install it. NOW! |
| 17:54.14 | tarzeau | blazemonger: it's got 80% of sid built already |
| 17:54.16 | cahoot | hcy: alsa/oss? kernel? |
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| 17:54.24 | hcy | cahoot: alsa/oss |
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| 17:54.28 | PerfDave | blazemonger: I haven't played with it myself, thoughI'm tempted to having migrated to Debian from FreeBSD. |
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| 17:54.32 | wienczny | what do I need to do to build a initrd for 2.4.32 kernel with a lvm2 rootfs? |
| 17:54.34 | hcy | cahoot: what should i do? |
| 17:54.46 | lucox | hello boys, after some time my network connection doesn't work, but no messages ina dmesg, messages and syslog, and eth0 still up but not working, after /etc/init.d/networking restart - working again ... how should i debug it ? |
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| 17:54.53 | cahoot | hcy: does /proc/asound exist? |
| 17:54.55 | PerfDave | Next up for me to play with is CentOS 4.2 though |
| 17:55.05 | blazemonger | PerfDave, :i've been migrating to debian from freebsd too |
| 17:55.06 | tarzeau | blazemonger: network,x,sound works. |
| 17:55.08 | hcy | cahoot: yes |
| 17:55.32 | PerfDave | blazemonger: I'm surprisedyou liked the Debian documentation, it's the one thing where FreeBSD really shines over every Linux distro IMO |
| 17:55.44 | Tim001 | checked with the help of google and iso = OK |
| 17:55.46 | cahoot | hcy: does alsamixer run ok? |
| 17:55.56 | blazemonger | wel it's impressive for Linux i'll say |
| 17:56.00 | tarzeau | PerfDave: now there's freebsd-manpages :) |
| 17:56.08 | blazemonger | and im able to run rosegarden perfectly |
| 17:56.23 | hcy | cahoot: yeah |
| 17:56.38 | Alex_BO | HELLO!How can i exclude an whole directory when I make a tarball? I have used --exclude, but it excludes only a file |
| 17:56.38 | PerfDave | tarzeau: I wasn't talking about manpages. |
| 17:56.47 | cahoot | hcy: test 'aplay <some.wav>' |
| 17:56.51 | tarzeau | Alex_BO: directories are files |
| 17:56.53 | stew | tarzeau: blazemonger is using alsa sequencing though, freebsd sound won't cut it for him |
| 17:57.03 | dpm_ | valdyn, PerfDave: ok thanks for the tip on the gateway earlier. So I guess 'auto eth0', 'iface eth0 inet static', 'address 192.168.178.20', 'netmask 255.255.255.0', 'network 192.168.178.0', 'broadcast 192.168.178.255' in /etc/networking/nterfaces should be enough for one machine (the other will get of course another address). |
| 17:57.09 | tarzeau | stew: well who said alsa can't be ported to freebsd? |
| 17:57.17 | stew | yggdrasil: "startfluxbox" |
| 17:57.27 | blazemonger | i've tried porting alsa to freebsd without success |
| 17:57.27 | Sonny | PerfDave, theres a way man |
| 17:57.39 | wienczny | what must be done to make a debootstraped system bootable if the root is on lvm2? |
| 17:57.40 | stew | tarzeau: nobody, but you said "...sound works" and it doesn't for him |
| 17:57.43 | Alex_BO | tarzeau: tar -czvf ~/Large/Backups/20060308_-_Documents.backup.tar.gz . --exclude=/Imagines/Photos/ but it doesn't exclude directories in Photos! |
| 17:57.54 | blazemonger | i'm able to buld kernels in freebsd blindfolded |
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| 17:58.16 | tarzeau | Alex_BO: i don't remember how but it's possible, i did so in the my www.linuks.mine.nu/ibackup/ tool |
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| 17:58.37 | Alex_BO | tarzeau, okay, thanks |
| 17:58.37 | tarzeau | blazemonger: /join #gnu-kbsd |
| 17:58.38 | micron | hello guys |
| 17:58.40 | hcy | cahoot: ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:819:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
| 17:58.40 | hcy | aplay: main:533: audio open error: Device or resource busy |
| 17:58.47 | tarzeau | hcy: fuser -k /dev/sdp |
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| 17:58.49 | tarzeau | dsp even |
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| 17:58.58 | PerfDave | dpm_: You shouldn't need the "netmask" and "network" but it probably won't hurt. |
| 17:59.04 | cahoot | hcy: 'fuser -v /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p' might tell you what's occupying it |
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| 17:59.11 | hcy | tarzeau: returns nothing |
| 17:59.11 | micron | I've a problem with logcheck, I'm unable to filter a message... |
| 17:59.21 | PerfDave | Tim001: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r1/i386/iso-cd/MD5SUMS |
| 17:59.22 | micron | anyone can help me, just a second... |
| 17:59.25 | stew | PerfDave: he needs netmask but doesn't need broadcast |
| 17:59.27 | hcy | cahoot: that returns nothing too |
| 17:59.37 | cahoot | hcy: the latter being the native alsa device |
| 17:59.48 | Tim001 | found it also |
| 17:59.50 | PerfDave | stew: Yeah, dpm_ doesn't need "network" or "broadcast", but should need "netmask" |
| 17:59.51 | hcy | cahoot: well it just gives me another prompt |
| 17:59.57 | Tim001 | and MD5 = ok |
| 18:00.01 | Tim001 | (iso) |
| 18:00.20 | PerfDave | Tim001: OK, so try the 2.6 kernel |
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| 18:01.07 | dpm_ | ok, thanks PerfDave, stew, I'm gonna try that now |
| 18:01.16 | Tim001 | how do I try the 2.6 kernel (bit of a noop in this) |
| 18:01.19 | cahoot | hcy: you don't happen to have loaded the oss module for the card? |
| 18:01.28 | hcy | cahoot: i don't think so |
| 18:01.40 | PerfDave | Tim001: Have you read the Installation Guide? or the help screens on the install CD? |
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| 18:01.50 | zulu42 | Hi there, I have a problem with my NAT, sometimes (most of the time the things go pretty well) the NAT'ed box can't resolve DNS, can somebody advice me for tools or test I could do to solve this !@#$ pb? |
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| 18:02.00 | cahoot | hcy: check (with lsmod) |
| 18:02.07 | yopi | is that a lkm dealing with quotas? |
| 18:02.08 | Tim001 | not (yet) |
| 18:02.11 | wienczny | does somebody here use 2.4.X linux and / on lvm2? |
| 18:02.13 | hcy | cahoot: see, what happened was i went, in mozilla, to a website that popped up a stupid media player plugin. even after closing mozilla, it still seems to think it's playing. but ps aux | grep mozilla doesn't show it |
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| 18:02.34 | hcy | cahoot: there are some oss stuff there |
| 18:02.42 | PerfDave | Tim001: Do you not think it's a bit bloody rude to come in here asking for help before you've tried to help yourself? |
| 18:02.44 | cire | I have an intel 915GM graphics controller, and want to use the intel driver. But there are no patches for 2.6.15 included. Do you know where I may get them? |
| 18:02.57 | cahoot | hcy: if the have snd- prefix it's ok |
| 18:03.07 | hcy | yeah they do, cahoot |
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| 18:03.19 | Tim001 | I didn't know there was a 2.6 kernel on the CD |
| 18:03.33 | cahoot | hcy: so you had working sound until some flah app hit it? |
| 18:03.34 | hcy | cahoot: so how can i fix this? even shutting down X didn't help. last time i needed a whole reboot but that's way too annoying, i can't do that each time this happens |
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| 18:04.00 | Tim001 | but it's there |
| 18:04.00 | cahoot | hcy: try /etc/init.d/alsa restart |
| 18:04.07 | hanselda | Hallo guys. I am using the KSirc 1.3.11, but I found that I cannot copy the text from the chatting window. How comes? |
| 18:04.08 | martynas | hey, do you have any idea how can i tar my files directly to another system without using space on the server (i dont have 2x), i cant use nfs/samba cuz i dont have root. |
| 18:04.09 | hcy | cahoot: ok |
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| 18:04.26 | PerfDave | Tim001: You'd know if you had read the Installation Guide, or the help screens on the CD itself! |
| 18:04.39 | PerfDave | martynas: netcat? |
| 18:04.48 | cd_rom | i compiled kernel-2.6.15 and i got disk write error when booting kernel with grub |
| 18:04.48 | PerfDave | martynas: netcat or ssh/scp should both work |
| 18:04.57 | yggdrasil | stew >..? so do i put gdm or xstart in /etc/rc2.d it seems just that its not set to tart up ... |
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| 18:05.01 | hcy | cahoot: tried, still nothing |
| 18:05.02 | nix | hmm... is battlestar galactica worth watching or is it just a clone of the past? |
| 18:05.21 | martynas | PerfDave, okay, scp to put somefile, but realtime to another system without using space, possible? |
| 18:05.24 | PerfDave | nix: Neither, the original series is infinitely better. |
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| 18:05.39 | PerfDave | martynas: Yes, that's why I suggested it as a solution to your problem. |
| 18:05.53 | hcy | cahoot: [AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy // alsa-init: 1 soundcard found, using: default // ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:819:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave // alsa-init: playback open error: Device or resource busy // mcop warning: user defined signal handler found for SIG_PIPE, overriding // Creating link /home/spectacular/.kde/socket-yisraeli.homedns.org. |
| 18:05.53 | hcy | can't create mcop directory |
| 18:06.10 | hcy | cahoot: (that's mplayer's output) |
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| 18:06.21 | martynas | it'd be great to have any example....cuz i dont imagine how to do such kind of thing. |
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| 18:07.05 | Pei_world | urgent issues with tftp setup |
| 18:07.06 | PerfDave | martynas: Google is your friend, I'm sure I've seen dozens of examples around. |
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| 18:07.32 | Pei_world | anyone can help me with setup the tftp setup? |
| 18:07.35 | martynas | PerfDave, i love google:-) but i even dont imagine what to search for.... |
| 18:07.41 | nix | PerfDave: i wasn't on planet earth yet when the original aired so i have no comparison. should i still not watch the newer series? |
| 18:07.41 | Tim001 | I did do my homework about the install guide and google but didn't find a thing |
| 18:07.44 | Tim001 | so sorry |
| 18:08.02 | PerfDave | Tim001: The Instasll Guide is linked from the page from which you downloaded the netinstall ISO |
| 18:08.18 | PerfDave | martynas: I just googled for "tar ssh" and the top half-dozen hits are perfect. |
| 18:08.34 | quitte_ | hooray. wargames on tv tonight :D |
| 18:08.35 | martynas | PerfDave, thanks mate. |
| 18:08.45 | Pei_world | anyone know how to setup the tftp server? |
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| 18:09.59 | PerfDave | nix: I wouldn't bother, it's yet another generic American sci-fi series. Seen one, seen 'em all. |
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| 18:10.32 | PerfDave | nix: Though I was amused to see one of the cast from Star Trek: Enterprise in Stargate: Atlantis the other day, demonstrating that your career *can* go downhill after Enterprise ;0 |
| 18:10.38 | Tim001 | PerfDave: found it |
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| 18:10.45 | nix | lol |
| 18:10.50 | Pei_world | please help on tftp server |
| 18:11.02 | Eulex | Tim001, if you google for debian install guide, the install guide is the second hit. |
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| 18:11.09 | yggdrasil | stew >..? so do i put gdm or xstart in /etc/rc2.d it seems just that its not set to tart up ... |
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| 18:11.56 | quitte_ | yggdrasil: dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
| 18:12.08 | kensai | which app should I use to make a service from /etc/rc.d not start at boot or which command is it like slackware chmod -x? |
| 18:12.15 | tarzeau | someone with debian gnu/kfreebsd here and can paste me the kernel line of menu.lst? |
| 18:12.21 | quitte_ | kensai: man update-rc.de |
| 18:12.25 | quitte_ | kensai: man update-rc.d |
| 18:12.32 | PerfDave | kensai: "update-rc.d", though chmod exists in Debian as well |
| 18:12.35 | kensai | thanks |
| 18:12.41 | Estes2 | !seen supernunux |
| 18:12.42 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'supernunux', Estes2 |
| 18:12.45 | Estes2 | !seen super-nunux |
| 18:12.46 | dpkg | Estes2: i haven't seen 'super-nunux' |
| 18:12.50 | stew | tarzeau: /usr/share/doc/grub/examples/menu.lst |
| 18:12.51 | Estes2 | hum |
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| 18:13.06 | kensai | thanks PerfDave and quitte_ |
| 18:13.07 | xoz_ | Debian should have used file.rc. better way to manage rc.d scripts |
| 18:13.18 | tarzeau | stew: thank you so much! i completely forgot about it |
| 18:13.19 | xoz_ | *file-rc |
| 18:13.28 | quitte_ | xoz_: you can use file-rc if you want to |
| 18:13.34 | PerfDave | xoz_: I'm sure initscripts-ng will pwn :) |
| 18:13.38 | stew | tarzeau: hmm, not sure that there is actually a gnu kfbsd example, but if not you should probably file a bug |
| 18:13.47 | tarzeau | stew: there is |
| 18:14.00 | stew | excellent |
| 18:14.15 | cd_rom | i got disk write error when booting kernel-2.6.15, can someone suggest anything? |
| 18:14.32 | xoz_ | cd_rom: avoid 2.6.15 by all cost |
| 18:14.54 | cd_rom | same for 2.6.14.3 |
| 18:15.06 | hcy | anybody else have any ideas? |
| 18:15.08 | Azar | cd_rom give more info on your system |
| 18:15.17 | cd_rom | debian 2.6.8 |
| 18:15.21 | yos87 | how to install the login manager |
| 18:15.22 | xoz_ | cd_rom: dont compile your own kernel if you have to ask here. |
| 18:15.30 | yos87 | the downloaded login manager |
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| 18:15.36 | lucox | hello boys, after some time my network connection doesn't work, but no messages ina dmesg, messages and syslog, and eth0 still up but not working, after /etc/init.d/networking restart - working again ... how should i debug it ? pleeeassee heeelp me :) |
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| 18:15.45 | bernardo | Does anybody knows how to open an audio file in its binary form using C or C++?? |
| 18:15.46 | Azar | cd_rom: debian what? |
| 18:15.57 | Tim001 | PerfDave: the 2.6 kernel works better |
| 18:16.00 | cd_rom | Azar: sarge 3.1 |
| 18:16.17 | zcram | no |
| 18:16.24 | Azar | cd_rom if you compile your own, higher kernels on Sarge you are on your own |
| 18:16.39 | cd_rom | ok Azar |
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| 18:16.52 | Tim001 | but he "hangs" at loding module 'ide-cd' for 'linux atapi cd-rom' |
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| 18:17.06 | vin` | cd_rom: are you creating an initrd? |
| 18:17.06 | Tim001 | but i'll start googleling |
| 18:17.17 | CiDUZ | hmm..is there any chance to get my hori. sync and vertical sync range without knowing the exact model of my monitor? |
| 18:17.23 | CiDUZ | so by any command? |
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| 18:17.37 | cd_rom | vin`: i did |
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| 18:17.40 | xoz_ | vin`: initrd problem should not reach write error messge |
| 18:17.44 | cahoot | CiDUZ: might try hwinfo --monitor |
| 18:17.46 | quitte_ | CiDUZ: read-edid package |
| 18:18.07 | CiDUZ | lets see, thanks |
| 18:18.37 | cd_rom | i like compile kernel without using initrd.img |
| 18:18.45 | blazemonger | what other linux distros are similar to debian besides gnu/kBSD |
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| 18:18.54 | jshoenberger | Is there a program that will monitor what users are doing on the internet and report on it? I'm talking about monitoring a company LAN, not what they're doing on the linux server. |
| 18:18.58 | cd_rom | but at which section in kernel when i confige should be set to static? |
| 18:19.25 | cd_rom | file system was my first try |
| 18:19.27 | vin` | cd_rom: options related to your drive and root file system. |
| 18:19.33 | CiDUZ | quitte_: seems that read-edid package is only for pnp monitors..got a notebook here, unfortunately |
| 18:19.44 | cd_rom | vin`: thanks |
| 18:19.48 | CiDUZ | hwinfo doesn't work either..not found..also not by apt-cache search |
| 18:20.03 | quitte_ | CiDUZ: try it anyways |
| 18:20.07 | CiDUZ | k |
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| 18:20.32 | quitte_ | CiDUZ: but usually 75 or 60 hz vertical is correct |
| 18:20.46 | xoz_ | CiDUZ: the default provided by dpkg-reconfigure seems to be ok for most lcd unless you have a strange resolution |
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| 18:21.10 | nix | jshoenberger: not really. an IDS is not suited for what you want. you could enforce a proxy, squid has tools that can report activity. but be aware of privacy issues. |
| 18:21.18 | PerfDave | blazemonger: Debian GNU/HURD? http://www.debian.org/ports/ IIRC |
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| 18:21.39 | _X-Treme | which debian package contains saslauthd ? |
| 18:21.46 | nix | courier-authdaemon |
| 18:21.47 | jshoenberger | Hahahaha, privacy? |
| 18:21.49 | jshoenberger | Lol |
| 18:21.51 | stew | _X-Treme: /msg dpkg search |
| 18:22.07 | xoz_ | !tell _X-Treme about search |
| 18:22.32 | moke1809 | _X-Treme: apt-file search saslauthd |
| 18:22.38 | jshoenberger | I hate what they're making me do, because then I can't browse whatever I feel like anymore, but there's a big bonus at the end. Meh. |
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| 18:23.20 | nix | jshoenberger: you are very likely not allowed by law to spy on users, and if its your boss who wants to, he probably needs to put something in your contract. |
| 18:23.20 | PerfDave | jshoenberger: Just tunnel *your* web traffic over SSH or VPN ;) |
| 18:23.55 | _X-Treme | thanks |
| 18:24.00 | jshoenberger | I do all the time anyway =) I just like to keep up appearences with some false web traffic. The old man is a bit crazy |
| 18:24.12 | tazle | is there some way to find out which parts of the virtual address space of a process actually have something behind them? |
| 18:24.44 | tazle | (and preferable also what the something is) |
| 18:25.02 | Azar | some company do spy on the net/e-mail activities of their employees, same where I work, all employees had to sign that they were warned about this issue by the company |
| 18:25.07 | jshoenberger | Nix, I'm not the one who will get in trouble with the law. I acted under orders. The boss is of the opinion "it's my internet, I can do what I want with it" |
| 18:25.34 | nix | jshoenberger: you could also educate your boss about law to prevent the whole issue. |
| 18:25.35 | PerfDave | jshoenberger: Tell that to the guards at Auschwitz ;) |
| 18:25.39 | Azar | jshoenberger: if your boss gets sued you lose your job too |
| 18:25.42 | jshoenberger | Hahaha |
| 18:25.49 | jshoenberger | I get the bonus anyway :P |
| 18:25.52 | petemc | nix: which law, in what country? |
| 18:25.55 | stew | nix: how familiar are you with california law? |
| 18:26.10 | jshoenberger | California |
| 18:26.10 | nix | im not. im just saying. |
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| 18:26.37 | Azar | it is not "unlawful" to do it, it is "unlawful" to do it without disclose it |
| 18:26.52 | xoz_ | yep. in japan, there are laws about privacy but the company usually spies people to check their productivity |
| 18:27.09 | xoz_ | *spies on* |
| 18:27.33 | eeyore- | xoz: work for another company |
| 18:27.34 | _X-Treme | is postfix for debian built with sasl support ? |
| 18:27.34 | stew | in california it is legal for your employer to read your email and watch which websites you go to without informing you |
| 18:27.38 | eeyore- | xoz: maybe in another country :-) |
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| 18:27.58 | xoz_ | eeyore-: yep, next month i will move to another place :) |
| 18:27.58 | eeyore- | xoz: i run 2.6.15 just fine, on different cpu's |
| 18:28.04 | yos87 | Can we install 2 desktop environment |
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| 18:28.12 | petemc | yos87: we can |
| 18:28.15 | ojai | hello? |
| 18:28.29 | xoz_ | eeyore-: still not stable based on my experience |
| 18:28.39 | ojai | I'm trying to backport a package but am getting an error |
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| 18:28.45 | eeyore- | xoz: and what were you doing at the time? |
| 18:28.56 | Azar | stew, not quite so I live/work in California we got memos and papers to sign of acknowledgement, basically the company said: Hey Y'all watch out what you do with the company time and equipment.. |
| 18:28.58 | ojai | Sorry, but 4 is the highest compatibility level of debhelper currently supported. |
| 18:29.03 | xoz_ | eeyore-: research |
| 18:29.04 | yos87 | petemc: can you remind me withe the command, dpkp -reconfigure ___> |
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| 18:29.14 | eeyore- | xoz: what was "not stable" about it? |
| 18:29.38 | DaNeon | i activated mode 4 in initab, but the only root at the login screen :s |
| 18:29.48 | CiDUZ | fine..my xwinsys runs =) |
| 18:29.50 | ojai | I've modified the debian/control so it only requires debhelper 4.2.32 (sarge) but that wasn't it |
| 18:30.01 | DaNeon | only user* |
| 18:30.01 | xoz_ | eeyore-: booting and random reboots |
| 18:30.06 | CiDUZ | but I'm searching for xterm.. thought it is availablbe by apt-get ? |
| 18:30.09 | stew | Azar: that is a weak argument if you are trying to make one |
| 18:30.17 | petemc | yos87: apt-get install kde gnome , if you're using a display manager it should let you choose which one you use |
| 18:30.24 | eeyore- | xoz: doubtful that it's 2.6.15's problem ... |
| 18:30.33 | nix | ojai: the package you backport is not compatible with your debhelper version. get a backported debhelper from backports.org, or if you're brave, backport debhelper. |
| 18:30.41 | Azar | stew, no, I am not trying to make an argument, maybe you are right and my company is the only fair playing one |
| 18:30.48 | ojai | nix: thanks! |
| 18:30.53 | xoz_ | eeyore-: 2.6.14 is ok. |
| 18:31.07 | yos87 | petemc: apt-get install enlightenment > you already have the newest version of enlightenment |
| 18:31.13 | PerfDave | CiDUZ: /msg dpkg search |
| 18:31.23 | DaNeon | i activated mode 4 in initab, but only root APPEARS at the login screen, i created a user but it doesn't appear in the login screen |
| 18:31.26 | eeyore- | xoz: it's probably just you and your hardware :-) we use 2.6.15 kernel in various production boxes ... doing real tasks |
| 18:31.34 | yos87 | petemc: and how to run it from the text mode |
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| 18:31.53 | PerfDave | DaNeon: What are you doing playing around with runlevels? What logins creen are you talking about? |
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| 18:31.55 | petemc | yos87: update-alternatives --config x-window-manager , startx |
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| 18:32.09 | xoz_ | eeyore-: yep. maybe it is time to update and check the latest 2.6.15 |
| 18:32.16 | yos87 | petemc: startx will start gnome |
| 18:32.30 | DaNeon | PerfDave, linux started in mode 3, i changed it to run at level 4 |
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| 18:32.47 | PerfDave | DaNeon: Why are you playing around with runlevels? Are you using Debian? |
| 18:33.00 | kspath_ | DaNeon: turn it up to 11 |
| 18:33.05 | DaNeon | hehehe |
| 18:33.08 | eeyore- | kspath_: oooh, mode 11? |
| 18:33.09 | petemc | yos87: you might need to change ~/.xsession to start enlightenment then |
| 18:33.21 | eeyore- | kspath_: that's the scariest mode |
| 18:33.23 | nix | xoz: what filesystem? early 2.6.15 kernel gave me lots of headaches on XFS |
| 18:33.25 | PerfDave | kspath_: runlevel 1337! |
| 18:34.12 | kspath_ | eeyore-: sorry a bad joke about a bad joke about a band with amps that go past 10 to 11 |
| 18:34.23 | Ronin | but an excellent movie kspath_ |
| 18:34.56 | xoz_ | nix: reiserfs.. but the booting gave me lots of headache. it failed to proceed reading the initrd image and failed to load the console |
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| 18:35.30 | kristalino | wich pcmcia ieee1394 firewire pccard could i buy to have no problem with linux ? |
| 18:35.37 | eeyore- | xoz: 'failed to load the console' sounds like a debian initrd issue |
| 18:35.51 | eeyore- | xoz: the classic 'no initial console' right? |
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| 18:35.59 | JoshX | hello.. |
| 18:36.02 | JoshX | libglib1.2-dev: Depends: libglib1.2 (= 1.2.10-9) but 1.2.10-10 is to be installed |
| 18:36.06 | JoshX | :( |
| 18:36.12 | JoshX | anyone know how to fix this? |
| 18:36.56 | xoz_ | nix: is the latest 2.6.15 working with xfs now? i still think the package maintainer is not careful in testing the image before uploading it to sid. |
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| 18:37.31 | abrotman | JoshX: in sid? |
| 18:37.41 | abrotman | JoshX: make sure you do an apt-get update first |
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| 18:38.00 | JoshX | sarge |
| 18:38.02 | JoshX | i did that |
| 18:38.04 | JoshX | deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian sarge main non-free contrib |
| 18:38.10 | JoshX | that is my source |
| 18:38.18 | abrotman | uhm |
| 18:38.22 | nix | xoz: earlier today I inited my 2TB XFS partition which gave me panics before. this is on 2.6.15.6 and all went well, but ill tell you for sure tomorrow when amanda is finished. :0 |
| 18:38.23 | abrotman | !depends libglib1.2 sarge |
| 18:38.37 | dpkg | libglib1.2: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.1-1) |
| 18:38.45 | abrotman | bah |
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| 18:38.48 | abrotman | !depends libglib1.2-dev sarge |
| 18:38.48 | nix | initial 2.6.15 release just freaked out when initing and mounting XFS |
| 18:38.49 | xoz_ | eeyore-: yep. i wonder why initrd made by the system using apt-get install was not functioning. |
| 18:38.51 | seb- | abrotman: can i please ask you how to fix my sound drivers after my kernel upgrade? i can't play mp3s anymore :=/ |
| 18:38.58 | JoshX | abrotman: libglib1.2 is installed |
| 18:39.02 | dpkg | libglib1.2-dev: depends on libglib1.2 (= 1.2.10-9), libc6-dev | libc-dev, pkg-config |
| 18:39.02 | abrotman | seb-: make sure the levels are up |
| 18:39.03 | JoshX | abrotman: libglib1.2-dev |
| 18:39.08 | JoshX | is the problem |
| 18:39.13 | abrotman | JoshX: do you have the security line anywhere? |
| 18:39.30 | xoz_ | eeyore-: ill install 2.6.15 now and check if the problem still occurs. |
| 18:39.34 | seb- | abrotman: actually, udev upgrade fixed it after kernel upgrade but then it stopped working again...wtf? |
| 18:39.38 | zorrolero | hi, is it possible to automaticly boot from the second s-ata-hdd in a raid1-sw-system when the first crashed? |
| 18:39.41 | JoshX | deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main |
| 18:39.54 | abrotman | JoshX: apt-cache policy libglib1.2 .. and libglib1.2-dev .. what are the URLs for both? |
| 18:40.05 | JoshX | lets see |
| 18:40.11 | abrotman | yes .. let's |
| 18:40.14 | eeyore- | xoz: people sometimes forget to do something :-) what can i tell you. try to make your own ramdisk to boot in a minimal environment (say, with busybox) and you'll learn all sorts of things about which files are required for boot, etc. :-) it's highly educational and will clear up a lot of boot-time mysteries |
| 18:40.24 | JoshX | both are: 500 http://ftp.nl.debian.org sarge/main Packages |
| 18:40.28 | abrotman | seb-: make sure levels are up in alsamixer .. |
| 18:41.07 | nykheyn | good evening, my question is: how to install jdk? |
| 18:41.14 | sepski | zorrolero, depends entierly on the MB and the bios, and how the firstone failed. but cances are very unlikely. besides why youd you want to reboot with a failed drive in anyway when the box is down anyways change the drive. |
| 18:41.19 | abrotman | !tell nykheyn about install java |
| 18:41.21 | JoshX | problem is this abrotman: |
| 18:41.22 | JoshX | libglib1.2: Installed: 1.2.10-10 Candidate: 1.2.10-10 |
| 18:41.31 | JoshX | ibglib1.2-dev: Installed: (none) Candidate: 1.2.10-9 |
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| 18:41.36 | seb- | abrotman: holy hell...there is a udev upgrade in unstable that has like 111 dependencies... |
| 18:41.39 | abrotman | JoshX: yeah .. 1.2.10-9 is in sarge .. not -10 |
| 18:41.51 | abrotman | seb-: i could act shocked if you'd prefer |
| 18:41.53 | JoshX | abrotman: then why do i have 1.2.10-10 :D |
| 18:42.07 | eeyore- | xoz: when i had to boot linux on an emulated platform (ARM simulation platform) i learned a good deal about the ARM port tree, u-boot boot loader, where the kernel is load, how initrd is loaded + executed, framebuffer initialization (it does some funky things that become evident on the slower-speed emulation environment), and it took lots of trials and errors (mostly errors) to get the thing to boot :-) |
| 18:42.15 | CiDUZ | wish you a nice evening. thanks for help. |
| 18:42.16 | CiDUZ | bye |
| 18:42.18 | abrotman | JoshX: paste the entire contents of apt-cache policy libglib1.2 somewhere |
| 18:42.18 | seb- | abrotman: maybe that will cure all ills like before! |
| 18:42.21 | abrotman | !paste |
| 18:42.21 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 18:42.24 | abrotman | seb-: maybe ... |
| 18:42.30 | xoz_ | eeyore-: i have no issues about what modules to load... i compile kernels many time... the problem is the normal install by apt-getting the image provided by the maintainer. the image generated does not work in 2.6.15 but the same install works in 2.6.14. in theory, both initrd images should work by normal apt-get install process. |
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| 18:42.43 | seb- | abrotman: not sure why udev affects mp3 player |
| 18:42.48 | abrotman | devices |
| 18:42.50 | nykheyn | abrotman, i know these, but my main problem is: i can't find the correct donwload in sun'site |
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| 18:42.58 | JoshX | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2015 |
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| 18:43.03 | abrotman | nykheyn: why not? .. grab the self extracting .bin |
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| 18:43.35 | JoshX | abrotman: that looks strange |
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| 18:43.41 | abrotman | JoshX: notice .. the URL for -9 is different than -10 |
| 18:43.41 | xoz_ | eeyore-: i am talking about the 2.6.15 kernel in debian, not the customized kernel. if you are using a customized kernel, we are talking in different frequency. |
| 18:43.45 | JoshX | yes |
| 18:43.54 | JoshX | abrotman: then how could this have happened? |
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| 18:43.57 | JoshX | oh brb |
| 18:43.58 | nykheyn | abrotman, i try winth reasearch keys: j2se linux, j2se jdk linux, but i find only updates or installation notes.. |
| 18:43.59 | abrotman | JoshX: all i can say is to try to purge -10 .. then install -9 |
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| 18:44.02 | JoshX | abrotman: hold that thought |
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| 18:44.19 | Azar | oh shit |
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| 18:45.04 | eeyore- | xoz: you were mystified why the initrd didn't work, right? so, how are you gonna 'fix' it? by installing a new package? that's not you fixing it, if it's 'fixed' it would have been the maintainer fixing it, right? |
| 18:45.07 | zorrolero | sepski: when i miss the message about the failed 1st hdd, i wanna be sure the system still boots when it lost power and gets it again |
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| 18:46.04 | xoz_ | eeyore-: i can fix it if i want to but the discussion i am talking here is the kernel provided by the maintainer. |
| 18:46.21 | sepski | zorrolero, well the only way you can be 100% sure is with a HW , since you can't predict in what way the drive crash. you can ofcouse set it to try to boot the other one if the first one failed. but no guarantees |
| 18:46.33 | sepski | and even with a HW you can't be 100% :) |
| 18:46.58 | nykheyn | HeLp :( |
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| 18:47.18 | xoz_ | eeyore-: what's the point of having a kernel from debian that doesn't work during install? |
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| 18:48.40 | zorrolero | sepski: ok, thx...how can i realize to boot the 2nd hdd, if the 1st one failed? |
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| 18:48.46 | eeyore- | xoz: we're approaching this from different angles. i don't mind fixing things. i don't give a whit about whether the package is broken or not. |
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| 18:48.52 | xoz_ | eeyore-: so can i assume that you are not using the packaged 2.6.15 kernel in debian? |
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| 18:48.59 | nix | zorrolero: if you absolutely need to boot on HD failure use hardware raid. SW raid might do the trick but it isnt nearly as reliable as HW raid. that said, if you set up grub or lilo correctly, it will boot from the second HD if your BIOS supports it. |
| 18:49.00 | Schatan[aw] | hi |
| 18:49.04 | sepski | zorrolero, set it in the bios. and have a bootloade on it |
| 18:49.10 | eeyore- | xoz: nope |
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| 18:49.31 | xoz_ | eeyore-: when i said it was not stable, we are talking about <debian-kernel.deb>... |
| 18:49.31 | [bono] | Question: I cant seem to find the devfs option in the kernels xconfig gui... Anyone can point it out to me? |
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| 18:49.32 | nix | zorrolero: but if the 1st HD is still seen by the bios as usable and it tries to boot off it, even though that'd fail, you're stuck. |
| 18:50.04 | zorrolero | nix, sepski: thx a lot! |
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| 18:50.41 | nix | zorrolero: in rare cases you could look at less fragile boot methods. maybe from CD |
| 18:50.55 | stew | [bono]: devfs was removed from the kernel sometime around 2.6.13 |
| 18:50.57 | xoz_ | eeyore-: can you confirm because i hate to reboot my system to check whether the packaged kernel works. if you are using a customized kernel, tell me. |
| 18:51.24 | eeyore- | xoz: i'm using a custom compiled kernel, and i can't reboot anyway ... |
| 18:51.40 | eeyore- | not unless i want users to come screaming :-) |
| 18:51.48 | abrotman | users suck! |
| 18:51.52 | abrotman | !be BOFH barbie |
| 18:51.56 | abrotman | :( |
| 18:52.07 | [bono] | stew: argh... thx |
| 18:52.10 | xoz_ | eeyore-: ok. so i will still consider 2.6.15 in debian as something work n progress. |
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| 18:52.20 | zorrolero | nix: good idea! thx |
| 18:52.23 | eeyore- | abrotman: aren't they? it never fails. server's been up for months and months and the *minute* you reboot it they come screaming |
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| 18:52.41 | abrotman | eeyore-: noone ever thanks you when it runs correctly .. what a thankless job |
| 18:52.51 | chaun | i |
| 18:52.54 | [bono] | stew: can you give me a quick url to know what its been replaced with? |
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| 18:53.06 | stew | [bono]: with nothing |
| 18:53.13 | chaun | how do i enable uPnP for the ports? |
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| 18:53.42 | stew | [bono]: if you want dynaminc management of /dev there is udev which does it from userland instead of kernel space |
| 18:53.56 | nykheyn | sun's site sucks :( i can not find the jdk download |
| 18:53.56 | [bono] | stew: well what i sthere do to to avoid having hda1, hda2, hda3, ..., hda99 in /dev? |
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| 18:54.17 | stew | [bono]: you can use udev ; apt-get install udev |
| 18:54.18 | chaun | anyone know how to do PnP port mapping? |
| 18:54.25 | Azar | as a user the only screaming I am doing about when an "upgrade" removes useful features specific to my daily tasks, and replaces them with corporate-demanded "eye-pleaser" craps |
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| 18:54.44 | stew | [bono]: don't install udev until *after* you are actually running a 2.6.14 or 2.6.15 kernel |
| 18:54.52 | xfan | buenas alguien conoce un web-chat, q me permita ingresar aqui ? |
| 18:54.54 | xoz_ | greg suggest to document the interface between kernel space and userland. apparently, more kernel services are being replaced by userland services. is this good? |
| 18:54.59 | Azar | !es |
| 18:55.00 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:55.13 | eeyore- | what's the name of the gnome2's gnome calendar? |
| 18:55.23 | streuner | stew: do you really think its a good idea to install udev for somebody has less headaches before? |
| 18:55.33 | [bono] | stew: im currently on 2.6.15... so i apt-get-install udev, and modprobe the udev driver... thats it? |
| 18:55.37 | beardy | xoz_: greg who? |
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| 18:56.19 | Asm | startkeylogger |
| 18:56.30 | nix | xoz: generally speaking, if something can be done well outside kernelspace, then yes its good. userspace problems won't break the kernel. but it depends, performance might be a reason to stay inside kernel space, depending on what you're looking at |
| 18:56.31 | xoz_ | beardy: the kernel guy...greg kh |
| 18:56.33 | stew | !ops Asm attempting firewall exploit |
| 18:56.33 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: Asm attempting firewall exploit |
| 18:56.39 | xfan | is there a web-chat to enter into freenode ? |
| 18:56.40 | beardy | Asm: You mest be stupid to try that here? |
| 18:56.41 | kspath_ | oh for craps sake will the morons stop with that? |
| 18:56.56 | beardy | s/mest/must/ |
| 18:57.01 | Asm | !ops Fukkkkkkkkkk all |
| 18:57.01 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: Fukkkkkkkkkk all |
| 18:57.02 | resiak | !pal beardy |
| 18:57.03 | stew | streuner: he isnt' complaining of headaches, he is complaining of an overpopulated /dev |
| 18:57.06 | xoz_ | it seems the kernel people likes the idea including linus. |
| 18:57.12 | Asm | !ops | /quit |
| 18:57.13 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: | /quit |
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| 18:57.18 | nykheyn | noone sweet person can help me? :( |
| 18:57.26 | beardy | Ban. |
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| 18:57.35 | stew | [bono]: ther is nothing to modprobe |
| 18:57.38 | streuner | stew: well, you recommendation surely makes him headaches |
| 18:57.46 | stew | streuner: how so? |
| 18:58.12 | streuner | stew: you know pretty well, that udev causes lots of trouble in unstable, don't you? |
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| 18:58.50 | beardy | resiak: out of curiosity, for me not knowing about "greg the kernel guy" or the misspelling? |
| 18:58.55 | stew | streuner: no. it causes trouble if you are running a pre 2.6.13 kernel (i warned him about that) and it causes you trouble if you are running a new udev with an old config (and he doesn't have an old config) |
| 18:59.07 | stew | streuner: other than those things, i don't know of it causing trouble |
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| 19:00.07 | streuner | stew: scroll up, you said till now 2 'if he knows'... |
| 19:00.10 | resiak | beardy: The latter |
| 19:00.27 | stew | streuner: huh? i said what? |
| 19:00.56 | Sonny | hi, everytime that I want to open a link in thunderbird it doesnt use firefox (my default web browser) do you know how can I set it up? |
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| 19:01.04 | stew | streuner: are you suggesting that when he asks how to manage his /dev so that he doesn't have entries for non-existant hardware, i should lie and tell him nothing? |
| 19:01.08 | stew | streuner: or what? |
| 19:01.14 | beardy | !x-www-broswer |
| 19:01.23 | thingfish | Sonny: are you using gnome, or kde? |
| 19:01.23 | beardy | !x-www-browser |
| 19:01.23 | dpkg | To choose/change the default browser to be used in X (in the debian alternatives system), run (as root) 'update-alternatives --config x-www-browser' Also ask me about "www-browser" "update-alternatives" and "alternatives". |
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| 19:01.33 | thingfish | or that. |
| 19:01.34 | beardy | !lart me |
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| 19:01.41 | seb- | abrotman: hello? |
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| 19:01.52 | streuner | stew: you should give advice which is easy to for everyone and with less headaches |
| 19:01.56 | nykheyn | *says |
| 19:01.59 | streuner | s/to/ / |
| 19:02.14 | Sonny | thingfish: kde, and when I open a link I receive this output: "gnome-www-browser has crashed..." |
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| 19:02.22 | Azar | nykheyn: maybe nobody here knows the answer to your question |
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| 19:02.33 | beardy | !gnomebrowser |
| 19:02.33 | dpkg | To change the default web browser in gnome (and other default applications) run gnome-default-applications-properties in an xterm. Also ask me about "x-www-browser" and "www-browser" |
| 19:02.42 | thingfish | Sonny: look into what dpkg has been saying. |
| 19:02.53 | stew | streuner: if you have any advice for him tell him. if you think my advice is flawed, please be more specific. |
| 19:02.53 | nix | nykheyn: or maybe everyone thinks you should try harder to find the download link on the sun site for java. |
| 19:03.01 | Sonny | thingfish: I did that |
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| 19:03.11 | yggdrasil | how do enable dma support with a custom kernel... ? ive got all the dma stuff in the kernel config turned on ... but its not letting me use hdparm to switch it on. |
| 19:03.15 | Sonny | thingfish: but the problem persists |
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| 19:03.25 | thingfish | Sonny: my experience is only with gnome. |
| 19:03.35 | streuner | stew: there are surely other ways, other to install udev for unstable users or testing users |
| 19:03.43 | Sonny | thingfish: maybe I need to restart the system |
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| 19:03.49 | stew | streuner: like what? |
| 19:03.52 | lyy | hi guys |
| 19:03.59 | nix | yggdrasil: it should be on by default if your IDE hardware supports it. there's a flag for that in the kernel config |
| 19:04.00 | beardy | yggdrasil: If you really have everything you need compiled in, it should be used, if your drive is not blacklisted. |
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| 19:04.04 | stew | streuner: and how do you know he is running testing? |
| 19:04.06 | nykheyn | nix, in fact at sun's site i have not find it, but google sended me in another section |
| 19:04.08 | streuner | stew: the good old stable way? |
| 19:04.15 | stew | streuner: what is that? |
| 19:04.24 | stew | streuner: if you know of bugs with udev please report them |
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| 19:04.44 | evilbulgarian | hi, how can i test the wins server i have set up on a samba box? |
| 19:04.47 | thingfish | wow, tornado watch and it's only just march. |
| 19:04.54 | xoz_ | yggdrasil: look for specific dma support for your ide in the ide/block device section of kernel. |
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| 19:05.14 | nix | nykheyn: what exactly do you need to install, the latest java SDK or JRE or? |
| 19:05.27 | yggdrasil | xoz my ide would the chipset of motherboard |
| 19:05.33 | seb- | after you upgrade a debian kernel must you fiddle-fart with alsamixer to turn sound levels up again so mp3 work again? |
| 19:05.48 | nykheyn | nix, latest sdk, but i have found that now |
| 19:06.12 | nix | Seb: only if your alsa settings aren't saved and loaded at bootup. |
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| 19:06.18 | beardy | seb-: Is your sound not working after upgrading a stock kernel? |
| 19:06.28 | seb- | nix: i didn't save them |
| 19:06.34 | seb- | beardy: exactly |
| 19:06.52 | yggdrasil | hey beardy hows it going !? |
| 19:06.53 | seb- | beardy: i saved it before with a udev upgrade but that didn't fix it now |
| 19:06.59 | xoz_ | yggdrasil: usually, you have to enable about two or three places in the ide/block device section. first is the dma for general support, then for your chipset, and sometimes more specific ide device. |
| 19:07.04 | seb- | beardy: somethun else hosed it |
| 19:07.09 | yggdrasil | ok ill doublchek it |
| 19:07.13 | nykheyn | nix, i know that i must apt-getting the java-package, fakeroot-me and makej-pkg that. my problem was just the download ;) |
| 19:07.13 | yggdrasil | seb- you did alsaconf ? |
| 19:07.23 | seb- | yggdrasil: no |
| 19:07.29 | seb- | yggrasil: i'll do dat now |
| 19:07.36 | yggdrasil | jsut a guesse |
| 19:07.42 | xoz_ | yggdrasil: lspci and review the info |
| 19:07.53 | nykheyn | seb-, apt-get install alsa-utils && alsaconf |
| 19:07.53 | dpm_ | I installed sarge on a computer and I'm on the CLI. I'd like to install gnome and I did an 'apt-get install x-window-system-core gnome gdm' as instructed by someone from the channel last night. Right now I'm downloading the packages. Once thery are installed, is there anything else I have to do to get the gdm graphical login on startup, or do any post-installation scripts take care of that?? |
| 19:07.58 | beardy | seb-: Then you probably have to do what you did to make it work last time again, as you said. And save things that needs to be saved. "/msg dpkg alsa 2.6" for a reminder. |
| 19:08.19 | beardy | yggdrasil: Quite good. How are you? |
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| 19:08.24 | _gass_ | hello |
| 19:08.28 | nix | dpm_: gdm should auto-start itself, provided your X server configuration is OK |
| 19:08.30 | seb- | beardy: thanks |
| 19:08.32 | thingfish | dpm_: nope. it should just work. |
| 19:08.32 | xoz_ | dpm_: gdm postinstall script will do that |
| 19:08.33 | _gass_ | a small question ... to have an application in the mune, just add to /usr/share/applications dir the .desktop file? |
| 19:08.40 | _gass_ | mune=menu |
| 19:09.12 | valdyn | dpm_: nothing else to take care of |
| 19:09.21 | thingfish | dpm_: provided, as nix said, you complete the x configuration part correctly. |
| 19:09.32 | yggdrasil | beardy righ on just kikn around on my htpc install.. still. |
| 19:09.44 | yggdrasil | thanks for taht soud help the other day.. isa sound card on laptop |
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| 19:10.02 | beardy | dpm_: The installation scripts will take care of that, you don't have to do anything manually, if things go as they should. |
| 19:10.03 | yggdrasil | stew are you still around ? |
| 19:10.30 | Azar | _gass_ you could also make sure the "user"(s) have rights to that application too |
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| 19:10.44 | xoz_ | grml seems to be a good debian-based ditro combining knoppix autodection and debian's cli for system admin...http://www.grml.org/ |
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| 19:10.57 | urz | There is apache and apache-ssl. Both have the same description. Is this two completely seperate independent servers one that does ssl connections only and one that does plain http connections only? why? |
| 19:11.00 | stew | yggdrasil: yes |
| 19:11.04 | _gass_ | Azar: so ... just add the file to applications ... right? |
| 19:11.30 | yggdrasil | stew ok i got x back in order... now all iwanna do ist start 2 things up x11vnc and ~/xinestuff ... |
| 19:11.32 | kspath_ | xoz_ but grml is not debian? ;-) |
| 19:11.37 | valdyn | urz: no, one that supports ssl connections and one that does not |
| 19:11.40 | yggdrasil | stew so i just add those into .xsession ? |
| 19:11.41 | seb- | beardy, yggrasil: alsaconf fixed all!!! THANKS!!!! |
| 19:11.48 | yggdrasil | seb np |
| 19:11.50 | _gass_ | Azar: can you please just check this? http://pastebin.com/591238 |
| 19:11.52 | seb- | beardy, yggrasil: you guys rock! |
| 19:11.59 | Azar | _gass_ I assume you install it while being root or su: then in order your user to be able to use it, you give the user rights to access/use it |
| 19:12.02 | yggdrasil | all i know i learned from beardy |
| 19:12.03 | xoz_ | kspath_: but it uses cli to the max! :) |
| 19:12.12 | valdyn | urz: though the the plain apache will support ssl too if you add libapache-mod-ssl ( or similar ) |
| 19:12.14 | stew | yggdrasil: put "x11vnc&" and "whateverelse&" in .xsession above startfluxbox |
| 19:12.17 | beardy | seb-: So do you, you fixed it :) |
| 19:12.28 | dpm_ | ok, so some say there's nothing to do, some say I have to configure X... thingfish, nix: is there anything additional I have to do for x? |
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| 19:12.36 | yggdrasil | stew ill try it... |
| 19:12.46 | urz | valdyn: I removed the one that does not, but now its not listening on port 80 for plain conections |
| 19:12.58 | valdyn | dpm_: you dont have to do anything _manually_, you will be asked all required questions, that includes setup questions conerning X |
| 19:13.14 | thingfish | dpm_: after you install x-window-system-core, iirc it should ask you some questions concerning x setup. |
| 19:13.14 | _gass_ | Azar: yes ... the binary can be executed ... but it does not appear in the menu |
| 19:13.14 | dpm_ | valdyn: ok thanks a lot |
| 19:13.29 | dpm_ | I meant thanks all |
| 19:13.30 | Azar | _gass_: yes it is the group "games" and yes you add the users to the group games |
| 19:13.57 | Azar | _gass_ I do not know about kde or gnome, but any game I add automatically goes into the openbox menu |
| 19:14.03 | abrotman | seb-: ? |
| 19:14.04 | Azar | .. I use openbox only |
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| 19:14.13 | xoz_ | kspath_: and fully compatible with debian sid. no pinning. |
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| 19:14.34 | valdyn | urz: uh, i was wrong.. |
| 19:14.36 | _gass_ | Azar: humm ... i want to use the freedesktop's entry scheme to the menu |
| 19:14.44 | valdyn | urz: sorry, apache-ssl only supports https |
| 19:15.08 | Azar | _gass_ sorry never heard of "freedesktop" thing check their website then |
| 19:15.16 | dpm_ | out of interest, does anyone know what version of evolution comes with sarge? |
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| 19:15.30 | valdyn | !info evolution sarge |
| 19:15.31 | xoz_ | !info evolution sarge |
| 19:15.37 | Seb | dpm_: or packages.debian.org |
| 19:15.40 | yggdrasil | stew worked like a champ, thanks |
| 19:15.46 | dpkg | evolution: (The groupware suite), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.0.4-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 9989 kB, Installed size: 28520 kB |
| 19:15.52 | beardy | dpm_: apt-cache show <packagename> |
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| 19:16.25 | kspath_ | Azar: Openbox3? |
| 19:16.38 | Azar | kspath_: yes |
| 19:16.46 | kspath_ | Azar: nice |
| 19:16.59 | lzhang | hi, I've trying to make my own deb, and I followed the guidelines in the Debian New Maintainer's Guide, but when the deb is built and I extract the files, the only files in there are the docs |
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| 19:17.09 | Azar | kspath_: indeed, very convenient for me |
| 19:17.11 | lzhang | I'm sure I'm missing something simple, what could it be? |
| 19:17.16 | dpm_ | yeah, I'm downloading packages with apt atm, I can't use apt itself. BTW valdyn xoz_, what does !info evolution sarge mean? |
| 19:17.20 | abrotman | #debian-mentors |
| 19:17.38 | beardy | dpm_: Read what dpkg said afterwards. |
| 19:17.39 | xa2 | hi there |
| 19:17.47 | xoz_ | dpm_: evolution: (The groupware suite), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.0.4-2 (sarge) ...see ^^^^ |
| 19:18.13 | kspath_ | !tell dpm_ about evolution sarge |
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| 19:18.52 | kspath_ | dpm_: lines starting with ! is what dpkg watches/parses for ... |
| 19:19.43 | dpm_ | yeah, I got that 2.0.4 comes with sarge, what I didn't understand were the ! things. Thanks kspath_ I guess it's quite obvious now that I'm quite new to debian... :) |
| 19:20.15 | kspath_ | xoz_ they have their own channel on freenode |
| 19:20.25 | xoz_ | kspath_: really? |
| 19:20.53 | xoz_ | kspath_: oh, large size also. |
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| 19:21.33 | thingfish | dpm_: an initial ! addresses dpkg, a channel bot. |
| 19:22.44 | xoz_ | !! |
| 19:22.44 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 19:23.49 | yggdrasil | liar |
| 19:23.53 | yggdrasil | ! ls -l |
| 19:23.55 | avar | !$ |
| 19:23.55 | dpkg | i heard $ is a dollar sign, or not an S. |
| 19:24.07 | Sonny | if I use alsa, what should I put in the "sound server" option in AMSN? |
| 19:24.40 | kspath_ | !# |
| 19:24.41 | dpkg | it has been said that # is HASH DAMMIT, HASH! NO! OCTOTHORPE! |
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| 19:24.57 | kspath_ | !lbs |
| 19:24.59 | kspath_ | !lb |
| 19:24.59 | dpkg | it has been said that lb is Lebanon |
| 19:25.07 | kspath_ | !pound |
| 19:25.07 | dpkg | i heard pound is some stupid unit, equivalent to 2.205 kg |
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| 19:25.23 | kspath_ | !slug |
| 19:25.23 | dpkg | slug is, like, the Sydney Linux User Group. Meetings are normally held on the last Friday of each month, at UTS (University of Technology). See htt://www.slug.org.au/ for further details. on #slug on irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:25.25 | beardy | Sonny: Nothing probably. If you don't run a sound server, like artsd or esound or the like. |
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| 19:25.28 | beardy | !botabuse |
| 19:25.29 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 19:25.38 | kspath_ | hehehe |
| 19:26.05 | kspath_ | slug is a unit of measure as well |
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| 19:26.29 | Sonny | beardy: just "play $sound" ?? |
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| 19:26.54 | Sonny | beardy: but my amsn doesnt paly any sound |
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| 19:27.38 | dpm_ | I'm installing the x server now, and it asks me what mouse port to use. I've got a PS/2 mouse. Should I choose /dev/psaux or /dev/input/mice? I think I should choose /dev/psaux, but I'm not sure... |
| 19:27.54 | thingfish | dpm_: usually /dev/input/mice |
| 19:28.05 | dpm_ | k |
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| 19:28.44 | xoz_ | ps2 is not psaux? /dev/input/mice is for usb. |
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| 19:29.02 | sepski | !devinputmice |
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| 19:29.06 | thingfish | xoz_: I don't think it's just for usb. |
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| 19:29.18 | Dunedan | "/dev/sdb1 /media/usb0 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0" <- When I try to mount this drive I can't write as user it. I can read and root can write, but I can't write. What's wrong there? Does anybody know? |
| 19:29.32 | thingfish | xoz_: especially since it is working fine for my ps2 mouse. |
| 19:29.51 | dpm_ | that last point I like |
| 19:29.54 | sepski | xoz_, use /dev/input/mice and load the psmouse module |
| 19:29.57 | xoz_ | thingfish: ok, mice means many :) |
| 19:30.02 | bbrazil | !vfatrw |
| 19:30.03 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS, if you replace "vfat" with "ntfs" (although you can't currently easily _write_ to NTFS with Linux).. |
| 19:30.18 | beardy | I don't think there is any /dev/psaux if you have udev and such things. |
| 19:30.24 | Dunedan | I want to read/writer reiserfs ;-) |
| 19:30.28 | Dunedan | -r |
| 19:30.38 | nix | beardy: there is on my system, and I dont even have a ps2 mouse hooked up |
| 19:31.04 | beardy | nix: Yes, here too, my mistake. |
| 19:31.44 | xoz_ | so what's the diff between usbmouse from psmouse then? |
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| 19:32.16 | beardy | xoz_: USB is usb, ps/2 is ps/2, a different interface |
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| 19:33.09 | xoz_ | so the idea is /dev/input/mice is a virtual device for mouse related devices? ok. |
| 19:33.20 | beardy | xoz_: Yes. |
| 19:33.52 | xoz_ | beardy: so if you have a trackpad and a usbmouse and a psmouse, you access them in one virtual device? |
| 19:34.59 | xoz_ | this will be a good thing but i usually configure the trackpad to be psaux and usbmouse to be input/mice |
| 19:35.23 | LinuxNIT-studys | is it possible to change from say a wired lan connectoin to a wireless connection with out disturbing the flow of data? or should i ask this some where else? |
| 19:35.24 | Dunedan | "/dev/sdb1 /media/usb0 reiserfs rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,user=xyz 0 0" <- that's the part of my mtab for the usb hdd. But why can't I write as user (xyz) to that disk |
| 19:36.24 | Daedalus_ | LinuxNIT-studys: like, if you were in the middle of a download? |
| 19:36.24 | Schatan[aw] | try umod=000,gid=1000,uid=1000 |
| 19:36.24 | LinuxNIT-studys | Daedalus_, yeah |
| 19:36.25 | Dunedan | k |
| 19:36.25 | xoz_ | LinuxNIT-studys: depends on the application |
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| 19:36.28 | LinuxNIT-studys | oh |
| 19:36.36 | evilbulgarian | hi, a WINS server would reduce Broadcast traffic am i correct? |
| 19:36.45 | Daedalus_ | LinuxNIT-studys: The only way I can think of it working generically might be if you get the same IP via the wireless as you had over wired. |
| 19:36.46 | Schatan[aw] | i how also a question: how to good partiotion 40gb drive for debian ? |
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| 19:36.56 | Daedalus_ | LinuxNIT-studys: and even then, I"m not sure |
| 19:37.11 | neuterspAWAY | Anybody know the hotkey to switch desktops? |
| 19:37.13 | LinuxNIT-studys | ok just kinda curious about it |
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| 19:37.17 | xoz_ | there are some apps that can recover after loosing the connection but some apps just quit after loosing the connection. |
| 19:37.19 | beardy | neuterspAWAY: Where? |
| 19:37.28 | streuner | Schatan[aw]: there is a PARTITION-HOWTO at tldp.org, IIRC |
| 19:37.31 | JoshX | abrotman: sorry :) had to go :) back again.. |
| 19:37.31 | beardy | neuterspAWAY: In what? |
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| 19:37.42 | abrotman | did you purge/reinstall ? |
| 19:37.49 | eeyore- | LinuxNIT-studys: if you already have a connection, no |
| 19:37.54 | Daedalus_ | neuterspAWAY: ctrl+alt+left/right |
| 19:37.54 | JoshX | abrotman: if i purge the lib i break loads of dependencies |
| 19:37.55 | LinuxNIT-studys | xoz_ i want it to NOT lose connection |
| 19:37.58 | LinuxNIT-studys | eeyore-, yes |
| 19:38.04 | Schatan[aw] | streuner: thx, i was searchinf for something like this :) |
| 19:38.06 | JoshX | abrotman: how can i keep the other files? |
| 19:38.11 | abrotman | JoshX: then i guess you'll have to manually grab the package .. and force the install |
| 19:38.24 | xoz_ | LinuxNIT-studys: what connection? ssh, ftp, telnet? |
| 19:38.31 | LinuxNIT-studys | anything |
| 19:38.48 | eeyore- | LinuxNIT-studys: the general answer for that ('anything') is "no" |
| 19:38.53 | JoshX | abrotman: the point is that libglib is now at 1.2.10-10.1 |
| 19:38.54 | LinuxNIT-studys | k |
| 19:38.58 | LinuxNIT-studys | thanks |
| 19:39.06 | JoshX | and i have the 1.2.10-10 version installed |
| 19:39.08 | abrotman | JoshX: i'm aware of that .. grab the CORRECT libglib1.2 .. and force it |
| 19:39.20 | abrotman | i have no idea how you got that etch package .. but you did |
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| 19:39.23 | JoshX | ah first the correct libglib |
| 19:39.24 | eeyore- | LinuxNIT-studys: for specific protocols like http, the answer is "maybe" (depends on client retries) |
| 19:39.26 | JoshX | ok hang on |
| 19:39.45 | LinuxNIT-studys | eeyore-, i see but like for a download then no |
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| 19:40.22 | eeyore- | LinuxNIT-studys: if you control every aspect of the connection, like if you could get the same IP address and routing, and if the client hasn't barfed by then, sure |
| 19:40.32 | xoz_ | LinuxNIT-studys: the general idea of internet protocol is to establish other routes if the default route is broken... so in theory, changing network connection should be ok. |
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| 19:40.47 | LinuxNIT-studys | :) ok |
| 19:40.52 | JoshX | abrotman: it depends on another version libc |
| 19:40.54 | eeyore- | xoz: not after you already bind/accept/connect |
| 19:41.00 | abrotman | JoshX: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 19:41.09 | Dunedan | Schatan[aw]: your tipp doesn't work. With that options I get an error during mount |
| 19:41.14 | JoshX | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
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| 19:41.23 | abrotman | !info libc6 sarge |
| 19:41.24 | JoshX | and it needs 2.3.5-1 |
| 19:41.32 | abrotman | JoshX: what does? |
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| 19:41.42 | LinuxNIT-studys | well thanks guys |
| 19:41.44 | JoshX | libglib-1.2.10-10.1 |
| 19:41.46 | LinuxNIT-studys | i gtg now |
| 19:41.49 | xoz_ | eeyore-: depends on the protocol if it is stateless or connectionless or the other way around... |
| 19:41.51 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22 (sarge), Packaged size: 4784 kB, Installed size: 15548 kB |
| 19:41.53 | abrotman | JoshX: --force-downgrade |
| 19:42.04 | JoshX | with dpkg -i? |
| 19:42.06 | abrotman | http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/glib1.2/libglib1.2_1.2.10-9_i386.deb .. use that package .. and force the downgrade |
| 19:42.08 | abrotman | yes |
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| 19:42.18 | abrotman | and pray nothing else gets screwed up |
| 19:42.22 | JoshX | hehe |
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| 19:42.55 | JoshX | i'm going to do it the hard way |
| 19:42.58 | abrotman | !tell LinuxNIT-studys about away |
| 19:43.02 | JoshX | abrotman: pray for me :) |
| 19:43.03 | abrotman | JoshX: no kidding |
| 19:43.32 | JoshX | abrotman: as far as i can see i can purge libglib |
| 19:43.35 | JoshX | hang on |
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| 19:43.45 | LinuxNIT-studys | well ok then |
| 19:43.57 | JoshX | abrotman: and i will reinstall the packages revoved with it afterwards |
| 19:44.18 | roxy_ | Hi, when I try alsamixer, I got "device /dev/dsp can't be opened (No such device)". I belong to the audio group. /dev/dsp is there, and I got all the snd module I can think of. What else can I do? |
| 19:44.31 | JoshX | The following NEW packages will be installed: libglib1.2 libglib1.2-dev |
| 19:44.34 | JoshX | \o/ |
| 19:44.57 | stew | roxy_: load snd_pcm_oss |
| 19:45.03 | beardy | roxy_: /msg dpkg alsa 2.6, oss emulation on? |
| 19:45.35 | neuterspAWAY | (14:38:30) Daedalus_: Thanks, man. |
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| 19:45.57 | eeyore- | roxy_: did you start alsa service? |
| 19:46.02 | neuterspAWAY | (14:38:30) Daedalus_: Actually~ wait, that doesn't seem to work. ":( |
| 19:46.54 | Daedalus_ | neuterspAWAY: what window manager are you using? |
| 19:46.55 | infra | ae |
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| 19:47.56 | neuterspAWAY | KDE |
| 19:47.58 | abrotman | JoshX: uhm ok |
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| 19:48.18 | p8m | kde is no wm :) |
| 19:48.25 | JoshX | abrotman: i think i made it :) |
| 19:48.32 | JoshX | abrotman: i'm still here at least :) |
| 19:48.38 | JoshX | (it is this box i am fixing) |
| 19:48.39 | JoshX | :) |
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| 19:48.45 | jatos | hi |
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| 19:48.58 | Daedalus_ | neuterspAWAY: Ah. Um, check google. I use gnome, so I'm not sure what the kde shortcuts are |
| 19:49.04 | abrotman | JoshX: hehe |
| 19:49.09 | neuterspAWAY | Alright, thanks. |
| 19:49.23 | beardy | neuterspAWAY: Ctrl-Shift-TAB IIRC |
| 19:49.46 | rysiek|pl | hi there. a short, hopefully, question: have to set-up KDE on a Debian Sarge, apt-get installed kdebase - but startx complains about X executable not being found. I suppose I should install the XServer - but I can't seem to find the package name. Any ideas? :) |
| 19:49.47 | JoshX | abrotman: now lets rebuild irssi |
| 19:49.48 | jatos | I got an KDE control center with an empty menu, anyone got any ideas as to what the problem could |
| 19:49.54 | JoshX | abrotman: that is what all started this ;) |
| 19:50.06 | beardy | !install x |
| 19:50.06 | dpkg | hmm... install xf4 is apt-get install read-edid mdetect discover; apt-get install x-window-system-core (plus whatever window manager you like, etc.), or ask me about "set up x", or "configure xf4" |
| 19:50.09 | beardy | !install kde |
| 19:50.09 | dpkg | [install kde] In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
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| 19:50.23 | beardy | rysiek|pl: ^^^ |
| 19:50.44 | abrotman | JoshX: uhm .. ok |
| 19:50.49 | JoshX | abrotman: :) |
| 19:50.57 | JoshX | it's compiling now :D |
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| 19:51.46 | jatos | I installed the KDE package btw |
| 19:51.56 | jason__ | is there any good forum software for debian (e.g. buring board)? |
| 19:52.11 | SPF | hmm, my comp doesn't shutdown, it restarts itself. It doesn't matter what OS I use |
| 19:52.23 | SPF | already tried disabling ACPI, didn't work |
| 19:52.26 | debiankid | hello everybody im seeking how to config my irc boot on debian im using the same version of dpkg any help ? |
| 19:52.26 | beardy | jason__: /msg dpkg search |
| 19:52.34 | neuterspAWAY | THE DEFAULT KEYBOARD SHORTCUT FOR SWITCHING DESKTOPS IN KDE ON DEBIAN IS Ctrl+f1-fx where x is the number of desktops you have. |
| 19:52.36 | pitbull_ | SFF: overheat, bad memory, power supply failure? |
| 19:52.42 | klync | has anyone ever used a raid1 mirror as a backup... i'm thinking of downing one disk, trying some *very* dangerous reconfiguration, and possibly needing to revert to the disk i had marked as "faulty" |
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| 19:52.53 | drusscol | what might cause a wireless card not to work? I was able to get an IP address via dhcp, but only the first time I tried after either rebooting or rmmod/modprobing my wireless card. The nameservers and routes looked correct, but I couldn't contact the nameservers or anything else. |
| 19:52.59 | beardy | jason__: 'apt-cache search forum' for example |
| 19:53.16 | SPF | I'm not getting any errors, but it could be the power supply though |
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| 19:53.46 | jason__ | beardy, thx |
| 19:53.49 | wam | Hi! I have obscure network hangs. I measure them with ping and wget on http. Their duration is about 5-15 minutes and they happen 5-10 times a day. I was running tethereal on the host today and saw, that ICMP-Ping- and SYN-Packets (for www) are recieved, but no answer is sent. For some packets, SYN, ACK is sent back after about 20 seconds. What could this be? |
| 19:54.12 | Rawplayer | hmm |
| 19:54.16 | Rawplayer | b0rk3d nic? |
| 19:54.23 | mrverbose | anyone familar with ipsec? http://www.ipsec-howto.org/images/transport.png this is a scheme for a transport connection between two clients. however what prevents those two boxes from routing a net through that secured connection? According to the docs tunnel mode is required for that, but why? |
| 19:54.26 | roxy_ | stew: snd-pcm-oss is installed. |
| 19:54.31 | beardy | neuterspAWAY: Ctrl-Shift-TAB doesn't do it too, anymore? |
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| 19:54.41 | debiankid | i have my irc boot mounted on my irc server and running but when i type (example find java ... searching debian files .... failed ) how can i add the dpkg database to my ircboot? |
| 19:54.46 | stew | roxy_: is the user in the audio group? |
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| 19:55.00 | roxy_ | stew: yes |
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| 19:55.22 | GAYLORD | SAL |
| 19:55.34 | neuterspAWAY | (14:55:07) beardy: AHHHH yes it does. And that way I can see all the apps on each desktop - thanks. |
| 19:55.36 | roxy_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:55.49 | stew | roxy_: what card do you have, which alsa driver did you load? |
| 19:55.49 | neuterspAWAY | I juuuuuuust set up Cedega. I'm now officially a tranny. I love it. |
| 19:56.08 | roxy_ | beardy: as you can see, I didn't get your hint :-) |
| 19:56.08 | Thug-N-Me | neuterspAWAY :)) what game do you wanna run ? |
| 19:56.09 | beardy | neuterspAWAY: What's with those timestamps? |
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| 19:56.29 | stoft | hmm... any of you guys manage to say the following string in main chat: "1000mbit/s @~90<eurosign>/month" ? |
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| 19:57.15 | neuterspAWAY | (14:56:45) beardy: I like the timestamps - ehhh Ragdoll Kung Fu on Steam, Counter-Strike: Source on Steam, and HighGrow v4.20 |
| 19:57.30 | stoft | ah, seems to be the euro-sign that doesn't want to be posted |
| 19:57.42 | beardy | neuterspAWAY: No one else does, so drop it please. |
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| 19:58.02 | beardy | neuterspAWAY: Heard of timezones? |
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| 19:58.14 | roxy_ | stew: from lspci: Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrate Systems PCI Audio Accelerator |
| 19:58.22 | jason__ | beardy, can debian extract a .zip file, or ae .zip files just for windoze? |
| 19:58.23 | rysiek|pl | thx, beardy :) |
| 19:58.31 | beardy | jason__: unzip |
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| 19:58.40 | thingfish | jason__: install unzip |
| 19:58.56 | neuterspAWAY | beardy: That's very true, thanks. I see. |
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| 19:59.53 | jason__ | thx thingfish and beardy |
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| 20:01.44 | roxy_ | stew: I did a apt-get install kernel-image to upgrade from 2.4 to 2.6. didn't had sound before(didn't tried to get it). Didn't load any other driver. |
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| 20:02.18 | debiankid | stew sup |
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| 20:03.24 | neuterspay | I <3 net install. Boot with linux26. Mmmm. |
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| 20:04.42 | buu | Hrm. If I've got sshd running on the standard port, what is the easiest way to make it also run on another port? |
| 20:04.58 | debiankid | heheh easy |
| 20:05.02 | jvw | buu: add a second "Port" statement to /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
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| 20:05.03 | debiankid | listen on port |
| 20:05.08 | lazzarello | buu, /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 20:05.08 | debiankid | hehe |
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| 20:05.39 | nvz | why would you need it listening on two ports? |
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| 20:05.49 | buu | jvw: Awesome, thanks. |
| 20:05.51 | devin_ | i know this isnt the spot to ask this question but im not getting a direct answer from anywhere else |
| 20:06.03 | buu | nvz: Someone wants to use a different port to ssh in |
| 20:06.05 | devin_ | can someone tell me what im missing .. im using this easyphpalbum script, but when i add my pictures to the directory the scripts in, the pictures don't want to load. am im missing a module in apache or perhaps something in the script? heres the link http://ecker.homelinux.org:211/Gallery/index.php?showimage=2.png&screenwidth=1280 |
| 20:06.10 | debiankid | mmm |
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| 20:06.20 | debiankid | i have my server listening on 2 ports |
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| 20:06.32 | nvz | buu: oh so this is just for a "special" guest heh |
| 20:06.42 | nvz | buu: handicapped access |
| 20:06.44 | Cymor | Are there any tips for the MySQL 5 upgrade? I haven't found anything on it yet. |
| 20:06.53 | nvz | for people behind ignorant firewalls :P |
| 20:07.11 | nvz | thats funny. handicap accessible server |
| 20:07.13 | roxy_ | beardy: I started alsaconf: No supported PnP or PCI card found. Would you like to probe legacy ISA sound cards/chips? If I say no, it stopped, if I say yes,yes,yes itsay cant find driver module snd-* . |
| 20:07.14 | buu | nvz: Yar. |
| 20:07.25 | stew | roxy_: why sound modules do you ahve loaded? i810_audio? snd-intel8x0? |
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| 20:08.29 | beardy | roxy_: what card do you have? |
| 20:08.38 | nite613 | Where do I stick locally build .debs so that aptitude will know about them? |
| 20:08.51 | beardy | nite613: Install with dpkg. |
| 20:08.55 | lazzarello | nite613, read the apt howto. you set up a local repo |
| 20:09.01 | roxy_ | beardy: from lspci: Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrate |
| 20:09.01 | roxy_ | Systems PCI Audio Accelerator |
| 20:09.04 | beardy | nite613: aptitude will then show them, when they are installed |
| 20:09.05 | nvz | nite613: or build a proper archive and put it in the sources.list |
| 20:09.05 | stew | !which sound modules is <reply> to find out what modules are available in your running kernel for your soundcard, paste this into a shell: grep "$(lspci -n | awk '$2=="0401:"{sub(":",".*", $3);print $3}')" /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap |
| 20:09.06 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 20:09.14 | nvz | !info apt-move |
| 20:09.18 | nite613 | I'll do local repo |
| 20:09.18 | beardy | nite613: or that |
| 20:09.24 | aeronadix | I am using xine, and I have a video file that had a separate ~.sfv file for subtitles, How do I use the them? |
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| 20:09.51 | dpkg | apt-move: (Maintain Debian packages in a package pool), section admin, is optional. Version: 4.2.24-1.1 (sid), Packaged size: 48 kB, Installed size: 160 kB |
| 20:09.55 | nvz | nite613: ^ ^ ^ |
| 20:10.11 | roxy_ | stew: from modconf: soundcore. |
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| 20:10.46 | St_Iron | hello |
| 20:11.16 | stew | roxy_: /msg dpkg which sound modules ; try loading the one that starts with snd- |
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| 20:11.42 | stew | roxy_: but i'm pretty sure that for sis you want snd-intel8x0 |
| 20:11.47 | beardy | roxy_: Haven't seen that before. You have to find out which module it wants, and load yourself, since alsaconf hasn't seen it either. |
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| 20:12.34 | roxy_ | stew, beardy: I was sure that if the module was built into the kernel,then I wouldn't need to load it. the neady program would do it itself :( |
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| 20:13.06 | beardy | roxy_: If it is compiled in, needy programs doesn't load it, nothing does, since it's already there, compiled in. |
| 20:13.32 | stew | roxy_: that is try when the kernel needs a module, but not when a userspace program needs a module |
| 20:13.37 | stew | ^try^true |
| 20:13.41 | naphex | On sarge, only the "us" layout appears in the gnome-keyboard-properties applet. My keyboard is defined correctly in XF86Config-4, but gnome wants to use it's only available layout ('us'). Which package do I miss to allow gnome to propose other keyboards? |
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| 20:15.12 | aeronadix | how do I open a separate subtitle file in xine for an avi movie? |
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| 20:16.22 | abrotman | maybe ask #xine ? |
| 20:16.25 | roxy_ | stew, beardy: using modconf I loaded all the snd-* module, then used alsaconf, but with same result. |
| 20:16.49 | stew | roxy_: is snd-intel8x0 now loaded? |
| 20:16.56 | Nwallins | hello, i am looking for recommendations for a tftpd to be used as a PXE boot server. under consideration are pxe, tftpd, tftpd-hpa,and atftpd. the only functionality i need is that of a PXE boot server |
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| 20:17.17 | nvz | aeronadix: man xine /subtitle |
| 20:17.23 | abrotman | Nwallins: try them all! |
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| 20:17.39 | Nwallins | abrotman: :/ |
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| 20:18.04 | abrotman | Nwallins: TFTP is a royal pain .. i've tried numerous times to do a tftp alpha install .. never got it to work |
| 20:18.14 | kspath_ | Nwallins: Do eet! |
| 20:18.25 | Nwallins | hmm... |
| 20:18.27 | nvz | aeronadix: doesnt seem to be a way to do it from the ui, but there may be I dont understand unmarked ui's I looked in the menu and found nothing, I have no clue what those buttons on the player do |
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| 20:18.44 | sepski | Nwallins, atftpd works great |
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| 20:18.58 | nn- | how can I configure xdm to start xconsole automatically, like it was standard with old versions of debian? |
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| 20:19.18 | beardy | nn-: It doesn't anymore? |
| 20:19.22 | nvz | nn-: apt-get install xdm |
| 20:19.24 | nvz | heh |
| 20:19.29 | Nwallins | sepski: cool, I'll try it. it looks like pxe is necessary but not sufficient, as well |
| 20:19.40 | aeronadix | nvz: thanks, I am installing vlc to see if I can do it. ALso I am doing man xine /subtitle |
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| 20:19.59 | nn- | beardy: my woody does, but sarge and testing don't |
| 20:20.00 | GoAuLd | nn- add a /home/user/.xinitrc containig the line |
| 20:20.02 | nvz | aeronadix: you do man xine, then type /subtitle and press enter after you are in the manpage |
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| 20:20.11 | beardy | nn-: Strange, I wonder why.. |
| 20:20.23 | nvz | aeronadix: there is a way to do it from the command line in the manual no doubt |
| 20:20.28 | nn- | GoAuLd: would that start xconsole as the user that logs on? |
| 20:20.35 | GoAuLd | yes |
| 20:20.46 | nn- | the problem about xconsole is that it has to be started by the user who own /dev/xconsole |
| 20:20.52 | nn- | that's root by default |
| 20:21.18 | nn- | think there used to be a set of script that managed the permissions |
| 20:21.22 | nn- | but i am not sure |
| 20:21.22 | klync | anyone know what pkg provides xmllint? |
| 20:21.25 | beardy | nn-: Not that I found it usable, but still.. |
| 20:21.54 | kspath_ | klync: apt-cache search lint ; apt-file search lint |
| 20:22.08 | klync | kspath_: ty |
| 20:22.09 | nvz | the display manager _is_ generally run by root |
| 20:22.14 | nvz | !xconsole |
| 20:22.14 | dpkg | hmm... xconsole is an oxymoron |
| 20:22.22 | nvz | yeah and wtf is xconsole anyhow |
| 20:22.25 | nn- | nvz: yes that's why i want xdm to start xconsole |
| 20:22.33 | nn- | nvz: and not .xinitrc |
| 20:22.36 | roxy_ | stew: no, snd-intel8x0 is not there. |
| 20:22.40 | nvz | wtf is xconsole? |
| 20:22.50 | nn- | an oxymoron.. |
| 20:22.52 | Nwallins | sepski: hmm.. do you know how to answer the multicast transfer question? |
| 20:22.53 | stew | roxy_: try loading it |
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| 20:23.01 | beardy | nvz: Outputs things that are written to /dev/console to a window. |
| 20:23.21 | nvz | beardy: o_O is it an xclient? |
| 20:23.28 | roxy_ | stew: how, it is not there when using modconf ? |
| 20:23.29 | beardy | nvz: Were always there with xdm in woody. |
| 20:23.46 | stew | roxy_: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 20:24.11 | aksn | buenas... |
| 20:24.15 | roxy_ | stew: 2.6.9-486 |
| 20:24.26 | roxy_ | sorry s/9/8 |
| 20:24.36 | stew | roxy_: perhaps you forgot to add support for it when you compiled your kernel then |
| 20:24.37 | roxy_ | 2.6.8-486 |
| 20:24.51 | stew | roxy_: maybe try a debian kernel |
| 20:24.52 | neuterspay | buenas. |
| 20:24.57 | wienczny | could one of you tell me how to solve the problem shown on this (http://mitglied.lycos.de/yaqwsx/) screenshot? |
| 20:25.34 | unstable | What is a good standalone tetris game to apt-get install? not gtetrinet but something I can play without internet |
| 20:25.39 | sepski | Nwallins, use the default if you have no opinion on it yourself |
| 20:26.12 | Nwallins | sepski: always a good answer ;) |
| 20:26.30 | aeronadix | nvz, I found this <mrl>::<subtitlefile> & <mrl>#subtitle:<subtitlefile>, but I can't get it working |
| 20:27.06 | roxy_ | stew: kernel-image-2.6.15-1-486 is ok ? |
| 20:27.06 | nvz | aeronadix: do you understand the syntax? |
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| 20:27.36 | stew | roxy_: any debian 2.6 kernel would have that driver included |
| 20:27.42 | stew | roxy_: what version of debian are you running? |
| 20:27.45 | aeronadix | nvz, I think so. I did xine pme.avi :: /subs/subfile.sfv |
| 20:28.04 | kspath_ | klync: vim-common: usr/share/vim/vim63/compiler/xmllint.vim not sure if that will help in any way though |
| 20:28.31 | klync | kspath_: ty, but that's a vim highlighting-rules file... the pkg is libxml2-util |
| 20:28.57 | kspath_ | klync: yeah apt-cache search lint showed that as the first or second line |
| 20:29.03 | klync | :) |
| 20:29.14 | roxy_ | stew: last time I did a apt-get install for a kernel with a debian kernel I got a kernel panic :-). I did a floppy install of 2.4 then followed : http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-kernel.en.html#s-kernel-debian |
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| 20:29.50 | stew | roxy_: do you use grub or lilo? |
| 20:30.10 | kspath_ | unstable: did you try apt-cache search tetris and/or apt-file search tetris ? |
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| 20:30.18 | roxy_ | stew: grub |
| 20:30.31 | stew | roxy_: was the kernel panic "cant mount root"? |
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| 20:31.22 | roxy_ | stew: sorry, the kernel panic was at work, I am at home now. |
| 20:31.33 | nvz | aeronadix: doesnt say to put any spaces says to append it to the mrl xine pme.avi::/subs/subfile.sfv or xine pme.avi#subtitle:/subs/subfile.sfv |
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| 20:32.36 | aeronadix | nvz, thanks, but without the space, then it doesn't recognize the avi at all. Do you know how to play them with vlc maybe? |
| 20:32.57 | nvz | aeronadix: at any rate I figured out how to do it in the ui too |
| 20:33.06 | roxy_ | stew: what the difference between kernel-image and linux-image ? |
| 20:33.11 | nvz | aeronadix: once you add the file to the playlist, you can right click it and hit edit and its in there |
| 20:33.13 | aeronadix | nvz, how? |
| 20:33.25 | infra | hellol |
| 20:33.26 | nn- | does nobody remember how woody allowed ordinary users to access /dev/xconsole without altering the permissions permanently? |
| 20:33.29 | aeronadix | nvz, cool let me try that |
| 20:33.29 | stew | roxy_: since we now have viable non-linux kernels, kernel-image was renamed linux-image as of 2.6.12 |
| 20:33.36 | nvz | aeronadix: using the playlist editor |
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| 20:34.44 | roxy_ | stew: nice, I am looking forward: apt-get install freeBsd Window2000 MacOsX |
| 20:34.54 | aeronadix | nvz, I dont see edit when I right click thoughj |
| 20:34.54 | Serg | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:35.21 | GoAuLd | yes |
| 20:35.23 | aeronadix | nvz, Oh I dod |
| 20:35.37 | oskie | can you rotate a JPG image back into JPG without quality loss? |
| 20:35.40 | nvz | aeronadix: its a glitch I just noticed when you said it |
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| 20:35.49 | stew | roxy_: only freebsd, but alsa wont work there |
| 20:36.02 | nvz | aeronadix: you have to left click to highlight it or it wont appear because the specific playlist entry you want to edit has not been selected |
| 20:36.05 | aeronadix | nvz, no I don't see edit now for some reason |
| 20:36.08 | DevilChaos | server nearly overloaded again the day! |
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| 20:36.17 | nvz | aeronadix: should file a bug on that so it registers selection on right click too |
| 20:36.17 | aeronadix | nvz, Oh I see |
| 20:36.19 | SerajewelKS | http://pastebin.ca/44950 -- why would this be happening? |
| 20:36.20 | nn- | oskie: from what planet are you? |
| 20:36.27 | aeronadix | nvz yeah it has to be highlighted |
| 20:36.31 | Serg | ęňî íîđěŕëüíî đŕçáčđŕĺňń˙ â Knoppix`e? |
| 20:36.33 | nvz | aeronadix: defintaly what I consider a bug |
| 20:36.40 | oskie | nn-: same as you i hope |
| 20:36.46 | dpm_ | ok, I found it. It couldn't be more obvious: www.backports.org |
| 20:36.51 | nvz | aeronadix: maybe I should try patch it.. heh |
| 20:36.55 | nn- | oskie: however, your question doesn't make much sense to me |
| 20:37.08 | oskie | nn-: found some info on the net.. http://graphicssoft.about.com/cs/digitalimaging/f/rotatequality.htm |
| 20:37.09 | roxy_ | stew: should I purge hotplug after or before reboot? |
| 20:37.18 | SerajewelKS | i can't seem to get Xvnc to start up at all, which confuses me |
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| 20:37.37 | DevilChaos | how good is the 64 stuff for debian is it still in testing stages or is it availible now? |
| 20:37.41 | stew | roxy_: what version of debian are you running? you shouldn't necessarily purge it at all |
| 20:37.46 | DevilChaos | sorry 64 bit |
| 20:38.18 | roxy_ | stew: got that message while installing 2.6.15. I am running 2.6.8 at the moment |
| 20:38.37 | nvz | that would be funny I will grab the source and look anyhow.. I have never done any serious coding but its not like I am rewriting the engine I just want a little piece of the playlist editor ui appended.. little snip here paste there kind thing :P |
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| 20:38.59 | unstable | kspath_: I did, there are like 20 results...and they aren't very clear. |
| 20:39.12 | Serg | Who used a Knoppix? |
| 20:39.26 | unstable | kspath_: it seems there are many standalones...I just wanted someone to recommend what they thought was a good one. |
| 20:39.28 | gutano | DevilChaos: there isn't an official release of a stable, I'm running testing and it works fine, no flash, mplayer goofy (mplayer is always un-official anyway) |
| 20:39.30 | roxy_ | Serg: me |
| 20:39.33 | sandman | Is there an OSS program for creating DFDs? |
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| 20:39.52 | aeronadix | nvz, That is definitely how you do it.. But its not working for some reason. THanks for your help all the same though. You the man |
| 20:39.52 | nvz | get my feet wet with gtk |
| 20:39.56 | stew | roxy_: i meant are you running sarge? testing? unstable? ubuntu? |
| 20:40.07 | oskie | ah there's already a few tools in debian that can do lossless jpeg rotation |
| 20:40.09 | stew | roxy_: but it sounds like you are running testing/unstable with udev |
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| 20:40.25 | stew | roxy_: in which case yes purge hotplug, it doesn't matter when |
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| 20:40.50 | DevilChaos | cool |
| 20:40.51 | roxy_ | stew: sorry, not used to debian vocabulary yet, I have been running lfs for to long :-) |
| 20:41.02 | nn- | oskie: doesn't that website answer your question? |
| 20:41.05 | stew | roxy_: you are running lfs on this box? |
| 20:41.30 | nn- | nvz: or are you looking for a particular piece of linux software that can do the job= |
| 20:41.31 | roxy_ | not the one I am trying to use alsa. |
| 20:41.34 | nn- | ? |
| 20:41.36 | oskie | nn-: yeah it did, but i didn't find the site until after i had asked |
| 20:41.48 | nvz | nn-: wtf are you talking about? |
| 20:42.19 | nn- | nvz: oops wrong nick |
| 20:42.25 | DevilChaos | gutano: so what chipset are you running |
| 20:42.27 | DevilChaos | ? |
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| 20:43.37 | roxy_ | stew: WORKING. thanks, the sound is working, just out of the box. :-) A picture of the baby: http://www.jvc-victor.co.jp/interlink/xp/3210/ |
| 20:43.39 | gutano | DevilChaos: via k8t800 |
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| 20:43.45 | nvz | I changed my rootpw in the middle of the night at work the other night because I accidentally typed it in plaintext on my ssh session I have a hard time remembering that I changed it :P |
| 20:43.46 | gutano | DevilChaos: asus board |
| 20:43.47 | XoR | WHY ? apt-get install raidtools2 -> E: Package raidtools2 has no installation candidate |
| 20:44.11 | XoR | please help me find package RAIDTOOLS2 |
| 20:44.17 | nekostar | wish me happy bday bitches >:P |
| 20:44.19 | abrotman | apt-cache search raidtools |
| 20:44.23 | stew | XoR: what version of debian are you running? |
| 20:44.26 | abrotman | nekostar: stick it up your ass |
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| 20:44.34 | pitbull_ | ^ what he said. |
| 20:44.34 | pitbull_ | :> |
| 20:44.36 | XoR | testing amd64 |
| 20:44.44 | nekostar | ~_~ |
| 20:44.45 | apt | i guess _~ is sour face |
| 20:44.48 | nekostar | jeez abrotman |
| 20:44.54 | XoR | stew: i use testing amd64 |
| 20:44.55 | nekostar | i lub u too |
| 20:45.01 | DevilChaos | nvidia dont like them cant get it to work lol ati just went straight in for me they have brought out the xt 1900 |
| 20:45.05 | oskie | nekostar: happy mutthaking b-day bro!! |
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| 20:45.10 | Matt-H | nekostar: what he said, but s/ass/arse |
| 20:45.31 | abrotman | xor: not in testing at all |
| 20:45.31 | nekostar | eh |
| 20:45.40 | nekostar | i forgot xchats across all networks.. sorry about that :/ |
| 20:45.41 | stew | XoR: http://packages.debian.org/stable/admin/raidtools2 |
| 20:45.43 | oskie | nice attitude in here... |
| 20:45.47 | stew | XoR: read the description |
| 20:45.48 | sett | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:45.52 | XoR | stew: tnx! |
| 20:45.58 | DevilChaos | icq? |
| 20:45.58 | gutano | DevilChaos: I got a good deal on my mb/rock from a friend who gets accomodations through amd... didn't really pick this board, but I have been very happy with via in the past |
| 20:46.18 | DevilChaos | ah |
| 20:46.29 | DevilChaos | modded? |
| 20:46.33 | nvz | sett: hahaha |
| 20:46.36 | sett | :)) |
| 20:46.51 | Serg | who use the knoppix on local lan? |
| 20:47.02 | XoR | how i can replace raid5 disk witch mdadm command??? |
| 20:47.07 | sepski | Serg, perhaps some of the guys in #knoppix |
| 20:47.11 | nvz | I've been here for what like 6 years? thats the first time I've heard anyone ask for the most beautiful app |
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| 20:47.29 | curt | i'll get this one |
| 20:47.30 | roxy_ | Serg: what is your problem with knoppix ? |
| 20:47.37 | curt | !knoppix |
| 20:47.37 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandriva is redhat. |
| 20:47.42 | nvz | eww I forgot apt-get source dumped on the cwd |
| 20:47.48 | DevilChaos | gutano: athlon, fx , ? |
| 20:48.11 | gutano | DevilChaos: athlon, but I've setup an opteron that ran fine also |
| 20:48.27 | sett | I like minimalism and beauty that is why I use linux |
| 20:48.28 | Serg | Knoppix is based on Debian |
| 20:48.29 | DevilChaos | do you use transcode? |
| 20:48.29 | sett | mainly |
| 20:48.35 | gutano | no |
| 20:49.13 | gutano | alot of AV tools have assembly optimizations, have problems migrating between arch's |
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| 20:49.38 | DevilChaos | my system i have right now is like shit off a shuvel quick but not for transcode need the cache mem for that just wondered if it ran better |
| 20:49.39 | DevilChaos | ? |
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| 20:49.50 | DevilChaos | heard of viiv? |
| 20:49.59 | gutano | DevilChaos: that's the new intel stuffs? |
| 20:50.01 | abrotman | Serg: please go to #knoppix |
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| 20:50.16 | nvz | I think my shell should be smart enough to complete cd /home/nvz/xine-ui-0.99.3/ without having to type out to xine-ui- when I have xine-ui-0.99.3/ xine-ui_0.99.3-1.diff.gz xine-ui_0.99.3.orig.tar.gz xine-ui_0.99.3-1.dsc xine-out.wav in there and only one xi matches a dir |
| 20:50.22 | DevilChaos | yeah just out here in the uk dont know about it though |
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| 20:50.40 | gutano | DevilChaos: I've just heard it mentioned, I dunno anything about it |
| 20:50.48 | nvz | irssi matches the dir on the 2nd tab bash I have to type out 8 chars before I get a completion |
| 20:51.02 | roxy_ | stew: I have to go. Thanks a lot for your help. |
| 20:51.04 | nvz | irssi gets it with 1 or 2 chars and two tabs |
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| 20:51.12 | stew | nvz: zsh! |
| 20:51.16 | gutano | DevilChaos: i've never done much transcoding, usually stick to mencoder |
| 20:51.22 | nvz | stew: yeah I probably should learn a new shell |
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| 20:51.35 | p8m | nvz: zsh has excellent and configurable completion |
| 20:51.51 | stew | nvz: there isn't much to learn. its mostly behaves the same, however the completion is generally a lot "smarter" |
| 20:51.52 | nvz | p8m: I would have to learn to configure that completion though :P |
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| 20:52.18 | stew | nvz: you wouldn't. i'm guessing you didn't learn much of the configurable completion in bash either |
| 20:52.42 | nvz | stew: yeah I vision context sensitive completion like I described.. so if I type man or cd, or something its completing only manpages or only directories.. etc |
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| 20:53.03 | stew | nvz: this is in both bash and zsh. do you interactive shells source /etc/bash_completion ? |
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| 20:53.12 | p8m | nvz: There is a script to help you, the defaults are decent and there are examples on the web. |
| 20:53.19 | nvz | stew: not sure probably not |
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| 20:53.55 | stew | nvz: if you source /etc/bash_completion a lot of things get better, you can do stuff like apt-get install f<tab><tab> |
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| 20:54.42 | valdyn | unfortunately it gets in the way too at times |
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| 20:55.45 | nvz | eww this source doesnt seem to be gtk at all. |
| 20:56.20 | nvz | if I were capable of implementing this fix with this xine-ui source I have I wonder if this would fix and or need fixed in all versions of xine |
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| 20:56.44 | nvz | xine-ui is the version I have I noticed it in. I believe there are other packages floating around |
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| 20:57.11 | wam | How can I debug random network freezes? I'm already dumping "route -n", "ifconfig", "tethereal -w outfile" and can't find a reason. Logfiles don't contain any errors. Where else could I look? |
| 20:57.27 | blondie | at the network cable? |
| 20:57.28 | valdyn | wam: what's a network freeze? |
| 20:57.51 | wam | valdyn: in my case a situation where packets arrive (according to tethereal), but no packets are sent. |
| 20:58.04 | Serg | In #knoppix all dont speak, Help my!!:,( |
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| 20:58.07 | nvz | hmm I just found the bug |
| 20:58.12 | nn- | wam: have you already taken a look at /proc/interrupts ? |
| 20:58.23 | wam | nn-: not yet. You mean if any of them happen? |
| 20:58.45 | valdyn | wam: ethtool or mii-tool on the interface on both sides, check speed settings and cabling ( which will be shown by those tools ) |
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| 20:59.26 | nvz | well I found the function that does the selection anyhow.. I need to track down this variable that triggers selection and implement a function to make it set on right click :) |
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| 20:59.41 | wam | nn-, valdyn: thanks for the ideas. I'll try this. |
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| 21:00.07 | nvz | pretty cool acting like I know what I am doing. gonna suck when I cant figure out how to build it or it doesnt work :P |
| 21:00.40 | Serg | Yanky is sister fuckers! or lammers! |
| 21:01.10 | nvz | Serg: wow, you make that one up on your own or do you got some friends over? |
| 21:01.33 | beardy | wtf is Yanky? |
| 21:01.49 | nvz | its like abrotman and I |
| 21:01.55 | abrotman | who what? |
| 21:01.55 | nvz | I think heh |
| 21:02.02 | nvz | we are yankeys |
| 21:02.08 | abrotman | i'm a sox fan .. thank you much |
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| 21:02.12 | nvz | heh |
| 21:02.17 | beardy | Isn't that yankees? |
| 21:02.20 | nvz | thats just what people from the south call us |
| 21:02.20 | abrotman | Serg: please go to #knoppix |
| 21:02.25 | nvz | beardy: I guess |
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| 21:03.04 | nvz | !ops imbicille alert: n=Noise@82.207.56.40 |
| 21:03.04 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: imbicille alert: n=Noise@82.207.56.40 |
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| 21:03.58 | nvz | damn shouldnt have said that.. they might quit reading at imbicille and kick me |
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| 21:04.02 | nvz | heh |
| 21:04.15 | Serg | what?! |
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| 21:05.01 | nvz | I like chicken |
| 21:05.20 | stew | Serg: this channel doesn't supported non-debian distros (even knoppix/ubuntu/whatever that might be based on debian). please ask in #knoppix and if that doesn't work look for a knoppix mailing list |
| 21:05.29 | stew | s/ed// |
| 21:06.00 | Serg | KNOPPIX IS BASED ON DEBIAN DISTRIBUTIVE!!! |
| 21:06.13 | pitbull_ | sigh. |
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| 21:06.25 | FlopsyPete | how does the CUPS web interface know where the gutenprint PPD files are, and how is it (I think) able to use them without ungzipping them? |
| 21:06.31 | vulture | Serg: "based on" is insufficient. |
| 21:06.44 | vulture | Serg: Knoppix has its own channel. |
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| 21:07.18 | Kube2 | Does anyone know a program for windows other than partition magic? So I could format a drive from NTFS to ext3 ? |
| 21:07.18 | Serg | in #knoppix one lammers |
| 21:07.23 | evilbulgarian | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:07.33 | mick_linux | FlopsyPete, the config file? |
| 21:07.35 | sett | acronis partition expert |
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| 21:07.59 | FlopsyPete | Kube2: the debian installer |
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| 21:08.23 | mick_linux | evilbulgarian, how would a WINS server help you? |
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| 21:08.28 | FlopsyPete | mick_linux: ooh, that simple, how daft of me, I'll look |
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| 21:08.38 | PerfDave | evilbulgarian: Do you mean setiing up a DNS cache? dnsmasq may eb a simple way to achieve thise. |
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| 21:08.54 | Serg | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:09.02 | mick_linux | FlopsyPete, i forget where it is it is in /etc/cups... somewhere |
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| 21:09.25 | evilbulgarian | mick_linux, mick_linux: well im not sure the protocol is NBNS ( netbios-ns ) so how can i replace that with a dns |
| 21:09.29 | nvz | ok in C is this -> operator like mapping the value of a function onto a variable or what? |
| 21:09.55 | klync | alright, i'm trying to figure out how some characters are encoded in a document... when i view it with less, i see highlighted strings like <A0> but the same file in vim shows \xA0 ... is this entity encoded in the file or is it not? |
| 21:09.56 | Serg | sprechen sie deutch? |
| 21:10.00 | nvz | !de |
| 21:10.00 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
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| 21:10.05 | Serg | ggggg |
| 21:10.18 | Serg | lol |
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| 21:10.28 | Serg | >:) |
| 21:10.34 | jatos | how long till the next version of debian? |
| 21:10.41 | sepski | !wir |
| 21:10.41 | dpkg | [wir] When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 21:10.43 | mick_linux | Serg, watch the de channel though... they kick/ban if you don't use a realname |
| 21:10.47 | FlopsyPete | mick_linux: /etc/cups/ppd/epson.ppd |
| 21:10.50 | klync | ... it's actually nvi fwiw |
| 21:11.01 | beardy | jatos: When it's ready. |
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| 21:11.16 | jatos | are |
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| 21:11.24 | jatos | what will be the next distro? |
| 21:11.27 | Andy298 | i get this mailed to me.... |
| 21:11.28 | Andy298 | Cron <root@webserver> /usr/sbin/rdate 128.2.136.71 | logger -t NT |
| 21:11.33 | Andy298 | rdate: connect: Connection refused |
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| 21:11.36 | beardy | jatos: ? |
| 21:11.38 | yoo | Hi ! |
| 21:11.50 | Serg | mick_linux, go to /etc |
| 21:11.54 | jatos | I gather that means we don't know |
| 21:12.10 | beardy | jatos: We don't understand your question. |
| 21:12.15 | FlopsyPete | jatos: there's a roadmap somewhere, its scheduled for something like December, but all schedules slip |
| 21:12.28 | Andy298 | any idea what the "/usr/sbin/rdate 128.2.136.71 | logger -t NT" is? |
| 21:12.32 | mick_linux | Serg, huh? |
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| 21:12.55 | Serg | anybody used Sinclair ZX spectrum??? |
| 21:12.58 | _ToNhO_ | jade_: debian-br |
| 21:13.00 | jatos | well... since when has software been released on time, also I was jut curious what the version after sarge will be named |
| 21:13.04 | _ToNhO_ | jade_: sorry |
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| 21:13.21 | beardy | Serg: Not ontopic here. |
| 21:13.22 | _ToNhO_ | jatos: join debian-br |
| 21:13.27 | jatos | ah |
| 21:13.31 | nn- | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:13.36 | FlopsyPete | jatos: Etch |
| 21:13.55 | Serg | whoe? |
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| 21:14.21 | yoo | i have a rausb0 usb dongle 193.168.1.100 wifi but on each reboot the IP change to 169.254.117.208 |
| 21:14.23 | yoo | Why ? |
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| 21:14.46 | yoo | i don't have dhcp configured |
| 21:14.58 | yoo | Why my IP change on boot |
| 21:15.03 | stew | Serg: you are clearly just trolling now, please just move on and save us the trouble of finding an op to ban you |
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| 21:15.05 | mick_linux | yoo, setup the nic card (refer to the debian manual) |
| 21:15.21 | stew | yoo: man interfaces |
| 21:15.23 | yoo | mick_linux, nic ? |
| 21:15.28 | beardy | yoo: Sounds like microsoft stupidities. |
| 21:15.33 | Serg | i`m interestingly anybody used ZX |
| 21:15.34 | nn- | yoo: do you hace the correct parameters in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 21:15.43 | yoo | nn-, yes |
| 21:15.53 | yoo | IP change on each reboot |
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| 21:16.12 | beardy | !interfaces |
| 21:16.12 | dpkg | Your network configuration in potato and later is done in the file /etc/network/interfaces. "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also "dhcp client". for laptops, use /etc/pcmcia/network.opts instead or see "man resolv.conf" for DNS or ask me about "static route" |
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| 21:16.53 | mick_linux | yoo: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html |
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| 21:17.29 | yoo | oki |
| 21:17.34 | grendal_prime | anyone ever set up the java-vnc app and got it working? |
| 21:17.42 | grendal_prime | i mean it seems im missing something here |
| 21:18.04 | grendal_prime | the backage is tightvnc-java |
| 21:18.12 | grendal_prime | package that is |
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| 21:18.41 | grendal_prime | reading the docs for it lends one to believe that...well you dont nessarily need tightvnc server..any server will do |
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| 21:18.54 | grendal_prime | but i cant for the life of me get the thing to work right |
| 21:19.05 | grendal_prime | now the x11vnc server works just fine |
| 21:19.11 | grendal_prime | and i can connect to it ok |
| 21:19.11 | yoo | the command route say me 169.254.0.0 on Destination |
| 21:19.16 | yoo | Why ? |
| 21:19.16 | jade | why does iptables -F not delete all iptable entires, only iptables -X ? |
| 21:19.28 | sepski | grendal_prime, why replace it then ? |
| 21:19.34 | stew | yoo: paste your /etc/network/interfaces to a pastebin |
| 21:19.47 | grendal_prime | i got a few idiots that do not have a regual vnc client on there machine. |
| 21:19.56 | Serg | americans is sister fuckers! or lammers! Billy Gates must DIE!!!! |
| 21:20.02 | grendal_prime | so i want to host the java one on the webserver so they can it that and download it |
| 21:20.04 | sepski | grendal_prime, applet for web |
| 21:20.24 | sepski | grendal_prime, i do the same with freenx and nxplugin. |
| 21:20.29 | stew | !ops Serg is a troll. he remains off-topic after repeated requests to move on |
| 21:20.29 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: Serg is a troll. he remains off-topic after repeated requests to move on |
| 21:20.34 | grendal_prime | ummm yas sepski thtas what im asking about |
| 21:20.34 | sepski | nx is many many times faster then vnc |
| 21:20.38 | Serg | Anarhy is RULLES |
| 21:20.55 | jade | stew, thanks |
| 21:21.05 | grendal_prime | freenx that is a client basically that works in the web browser? |
| 21:21.09 | thingfish | not to mention a horrible speller. |
| 21:21.30 | sepski | grendal_prime, nx is a caching system for X , vnc and rdp |
| 21:21.55 | sepski | the latest freenx dont work for vnc tho, but i use it as a replacement for vncserver it gives me a remote desktop |
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| 21:22.10 | jade | !seen bob2 |
| 21:22.11 | dpkg | bob2 <i=rob@crumbs.ertius.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 84d 14h 16m 53s ago, saying: 'Mortal1: np, good luck'. |
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| 21:22.32 | unstable | Are there any good cli desktop managers/login prompts...That will display window managers possible choices etc |
| 21:22.34 | sepski | and it's quite useable even on slow lines and on a fast line it's close to realtime. |
| 21:22.37 | grendal_prime | ok ok...look here is what i want to do..i want individuals to be able to see my desktop...by hitting a website with a browser. |
| 21:22.38 | pngwn | A |
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| 21:22.48 | grendal_prime | desktop is a debian X desktop |
| 21:22.49 | Serg | stew is you MODDERS? |
| 21:22.51 | yoo | stew, http://pastebin.com/591494 |
| 21:22.55 | stew | lilo: we seem to be op deficeint at the moment, could you please help with Serg? |
| 21:23.05 | sepski | grendal_prime, if you want to see the display on the actual monitor you must use x11vnc |
| 21:23.14 | yoo | stew: this my IP address after rebooting |
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| 21:23.25 | grendal_prime | i mean on the windows install for tightvnc it has an option for enableing http server its own server |
| 21:23.28 | grendal_prime | sepski, ya |
| 21:23.34 | grendal_prime | i have x11vnc on this machine |
| 21:23.42 | grendal_prime | the problem is the other person has now vnc client |
| 21:23.43 | stew | yoo: paste your /etc/network/interfaces to a pastebin |
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| 21:23.58 | sepski | you can then use either your java package that i have no knowledge about, or the previous freenx version 1.4 ??? that works with vnc and nxplugin (that's the jav for web client) |
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| 21:24.01 | grendal_prime | no that is |
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| 21:24.35 | yoo | stew, http://pastebin.com/591498 |
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| 21:25.29 | yoo | stew, http://pastebin.com/591500 my route command result |
| 21:25.36 | grendal_prime | ok sepski the freenx version...where do i get it? |
| 21:25.40 | stew | yoo: is it possible that the device driver hasn't been loaded yet when networking is brought up the first time? |
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| 21:25.54 | stew | yoo: what driver are you using? is it listed in /etc/modules ? |
| 21:26.04 | yoo | rt2570 |
| 21:26.16 | sepski | !freenx |
| 21:26.17 | dpkg | hmm... freenx is a Free implementation of the nomachine.com caching system for X, RDP and VNC, based on their GPLd libraries. packages for sarge: "deb http://www.linux.lk/~anuradha/nx/ ./" packages for etch/sid: "deb ftp://ftp.ekhis.org/ekhis/ experimental main" |
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| 21:26.34 | marley2 | hey guys can anyone help me with setting up wifi, on debian install...its a dell laptop |
| 21:26.36 | sepski | hmm that might be the latest version but the site might have older packages also |
| 21:26.36 | grendal_prime | thaks |
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| 21:26.42 | grendal_prime | ill give it a shot |
| 21:26.43 | yoo | it's listed on /etc/modules |
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| 21:27.07 | yoo | the problem is on each boot |
| 21:27.22 | yoo | .the /etc/network/interfaces is not read |
| 21:27.33 | yoo | i think |
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| 21:27.51 | marley2 | hey guys can anyone help me with setting up wifi, on debian install...its a dell laptop |
| 21:28.08 | stew | yoo: if "ls /etc/rcS.d/S*networking" returns a match, it is being read |
| 21:28.28 | yoo | i try |
| 21:28.40 | termo | hi |
| 21:29.03 | termo | How can I trick apt into thinking package xxx is installed? |
| 21:29.06 | yoo | stew, it's ok |
| 21:29.10 | stew | termo: /msg dpkg equivs |
| 21:29.15 | yoo | it's a strange problem |
| 21:29.20 | unstable | termo: Why don't you trick yourself and just install it |
| 21:29.25 | unstable | !tell termo about ask |
| 21:29.28 | PerfDave | termo: What are you actually trying to achieve? It's usually a hugely bad idea. |
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| 21:29.39 | marley2 | hey guys can anyone help me with setting up wifi, on debian install...its a dell laptop |
| 21:29.44 | quitte | unstable: tetrinet? |
| 21:29.51 | termo | I want to tell apt that some virtual package is installed |
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| 21:30.01 | grendal_prime | jesus...no |
| 21:30.03 | termo | one which php4-eaccelerator depends on |
| 21:30.06 | stew | marley2: what chipset does your wireless card use? apt-get install wireless-tools ; man 7 wireless ; man interfaces |
| 21:30.11 | PerfDave | termo: What are you actually trying to achieve? It's usually a hugely bad idea. |
| 21:30.21 | laurens_ | Hi. Does anyone have any reccomendations for a vector graphics format that will work well with LaTeX (texi2pdf) |
| 21:30.23 | unstable | quitte: sure |
| 21:30.24 | grendal_prime | ok back to the java client option..anyone else ever able to get that up and working? |
| 21:30.26 | sett | marley2> i've got the same problem |
| 21:30.30 | laurens_ | for some reason, neither pdf nor eps nor svg work reliably |
| 21:30.37 | yoo | What file can overwrite on networking ? |
| 21:30.39 | termo | PerfDave: it's phpapi-20020918, a virtual package |
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| 21:31.01 | sett | ipw2200 and all that small things |
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| 21:31.18 | PerfDave | marley2: Have you tried looking on the linux-laptop websites? /msg dpkg laptop |
| 21:31.30 | stew | sett: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 21:31.31 | smagy2 | hello folks, i am having a problem with mkinitrd. there seemts to be no error message given and there is no file created. would appreciate some help . http://rafb.net/paste/results/lboOKV58.html |
| 21:31.52 | sett | 2.6.15-1-486 |
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| 21:32.02 | Phlexonance | hi, I have an external hdd plugged via usb, 1st partition: primary NTFS, 2nd logical and inside the 3d ext3 I cant mount the ext3 partition |
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| 21:32.25 | marley2 | stew: not running linux now, we needed network connection to get here...that apt get command will install the wireless tools? if it help any its a dell latop with a dell wireless 1350 network card |
| 21:32.40 | cp | why isn't there *any* sml-implementation except mlton available in testing? |
| 21:32.49 | sett | the driver loads ok everything is fine but iwconfig gives out no wireless extensions and no possible solution from faq |
| 21:32.51 | Eulex | marley2, I'm afraid you ned to use ndiswrapper with that one |
| 21:32.55 | Eulex | !ndiswrapper |
| 21:32.55 | dpkg | methinks ndiswrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux i386 only. If there is a Linux driver for your card, use that instead; if there isn't, email your manufacturer and ask for one (since it's better for everyone involved if there are real drivers), then ask me about "ndiswrapper one-liner" for information on setting up ndiswrapper. If you don't yet own a card, consider buying one that has real Linux drivers. |
| 21:33.04 | stew | marley2: the commands i gave you would help you with setting it up after the device drivers are working. i don't know how to get that working without knowing what chipset it is |
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| 21:33.33 | stew | sett: afaik, ipw2200 support is now in the mainline kernel, but i haven't tried it yet |
| 21:33.42 | Phlexonance | shouldnt it be sda3 ? |
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| 21:33.50 | stew | sett: have you tried modprobe ipw2200? you might ask in #ipw2100 |
| 21:34.00 | sett | may be ipw2200 is wrong thing for me, yes sure it is loaded |
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| 21:34.02 | weedar_ | the fable of #debian brought a tear to my eye :( |
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| 21:34.15 | stew | sett: did you look at dmesg after loading the module? |
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| 21:34.22 | stew | sett: does the interface show up in iwconfig? |
| 21:34.28 | sett | yes, it says everything is ok |
| 21:34.33 | sett | yes it is eth1 |
| 21:34.40 | sett | but no wireless extensions |
| 21:34.55 | sett | eth0 is lan |
| 21:35.00 | stew | sett: then the driver isn't correctly loaded |
| 21:35.10 | sett | there is also sit0 |
| 21:35.30 | stew | sett: modprobe -r ipw2200 ; modprobe ipw2200 ; dmesg; and see what dmesg has to say about loading the ipw2200 driver |
| 21:35.37 | dpm_ | is it possible to install openoffice on sarge? I can get openofice from the backports repo, but on installation, it complains about some uninstallable dependencies (libcurl and others, which BTW are not available from the repos I'm using) |
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| 21:36.00 | Phlexonance | hi, I have an external hdd plugged via usb, 1st partition: primary NTFS, 2nd logical and inside the 3d ext3 I cant mount the ext3 partition. shouldnt it be sda3 ? |
| 21:36.01 | PerfDave | dpm_: OpenOffice is in Sarge, you don't need backports. |
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| 21:36.07 | Eulex | dpm_, OOo 1.1.3 is in sarge. |
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| 21:36.21 | PerfDave | Phlexonance: Is the device attached to /dev/sda? |
| 21:36.32 | sett | ipw2200: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2200/2915 Network Driver, 1.0.8 |
| 21:36.32 | sett | ipw2200: Copyright(c) 2003-2005 Intel Corporation |
| 21:36.36 | sett | this is dmesg |
| 21:36.43 | Phlexonance | PerfDave: I can mount the 1st NTFS partition on /dev/sda1 |
| 21:36.49 | stew | sett: i'm not sure then, ask #ipw2100 |
| 21:37.08 | sett | there is also some stuff from ieee80211_crypt |
| 21:37.15 | PerfDave | Phlexonance: What does "fdisk -l /dev/sda" say? I'm guessing that your ext3 partition will be /dev/sda5 |
| 21:37.15 | sett | can I pm you? |
| 21:37.24 | stew | dpm_: show us the output of "apt-cache policy libcurl3" and the exact error message you are getting when trying to install oo.o, use a pastebin |
| 21:37.33 | stew | sett: /msg dpkg paster |
| 21:37.54 | Phlexonance | PerfDave: thanks a lot |
| 21:38.30 | sett | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2016 |
| 21:38.35 | dpm_ | stew: ok, just a sec. And sorry, I didn't express myself correctly, I was talking about openoffice 2.0 |
| 21:38.42 | FlopsyPete | the CUPS web interface is able to use gzipped PPD files. How come lpadmin can't use them, instead needing them ungzipped? |
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| 21:39.02 | Serg | WinXP is your best friend!!!LAMMERS!!!! sucks! |
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| 21:39.10 | laurens_ | yeah |
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| 21:39.14 | sett | he he |
| 21:39.16 | GDG | hi |
| 21:39.55 | GDG | Can I install jdk in debian with any deb? I'm usign unstable, and I don't know how add it... |
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| 21:40.09 | epsilon | oh yea I love WinXP! |
| 21:40.09 | rysiek|pl | !install x |
| 21:40.09 | dpkg | install xf4 is, like, apt-get install read-edid mdetect discover; apt-get install x-window-system-core (plus whatever window manager you like, etc.), or ask me about "set up x", or "configure xf4" |
| 21:40.12 | stew | sett: sorry, i've never seen that before |
| 21:40.15 | Eulex | GDG, /msg dpkg install java |
| 21:40.25 | epsilon | unless it's only OS Microsoft made compatible with AoE3 >:-( |
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| 21:40.41 | PerfDave | GDG: free-java-sdk, or /msg dpkg java |
| 21:40.42 | nvz | what do I have to type to get all the build deps for a source package I installed? |
| 21:40.53 | PerfDave | nvz: apt-get build-dep foo |
| 21:40.54 | stew | nvz: apt-get build-dep pacakgename |
| 21:41.00 | nvz | pretty sure I patched xine, need to build it :P |
| 21:41.32 | beardy | !ops haven't we had enough of Serg now? |
| 21:41.32 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: haven't we had enough of Serg now |
| 21:42.17 | weedar_ | Is there any way of unpacking rar-archives without using unstable? |
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| 21:42.23 | pitbull_ | I vote for bannage ;> |
| 21:42.36 | Virtual | I need a program to limit the download && upload of another program that I am running, any of you guys know such program ? |
| 21:42.37 | epsilon | rar is in all debian so far |
| 21:42.38 | nvz | had multiple libreadline dev packages and it failed because I had to choose version 4.x or 5.x |
| 21:42.54 | nvz | like I give a shit.. I just want to see if my modification did what I want |
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| 21:43.17 | weedar_ | epsilon, but apt doesn't tell me there exist any rar (or rather, unrar) |
| 21:43.18 | epsilon | AFAIK unrar is in normal section, but rar in non-free |
| 21:43.47 | epsilon | weedar_: if the licese doesn't matter, add non-free in apt source |
| 21:44.17 | weedar_ | I already have non-free in my sources...yet still no (un)rar epsilon |
| 21:44.33 | nvz | lilo: n=Noise@82.207.56.40 is being annoying. if you would care to take care of that |
| 21:44.34 | epsilon | my bad, also unrar is in non-free |
| 21:44.37 | weedar_ | nevermind, my bad - I was reading the wrong line |
| 21:44.56 | Serg | I`m newer buying any progamm written by Microsoft, i`m stolen it... And yours pay for it....ggggggg i love russia!!! |
| 21:45.11 | nvz | lilo: see what I mean :P |
| 21:45.13 | beardy | nvz: Haha |
| 21:45.31 | pitbull_ | mother russia! ahoy-ahoy!! |
| 21:45.35 | drusscol | what might cause a wireless card not to work? I was able to get an IP address via dhcp, but only the first time I tried after either rebooting or rmmod/modprobing my wireless card. The nameservers and routes looked correct, but I couldn't contact the nameservers or anything else. |
| 21:45.39 | nvz | he might not want to get involved *shrug* |
| 21:45.48 | beardy | pitbull_: Don't feed it. |
| 21:45.51 | nvz | pitbull_: dont feed the trolls please |
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| 21:45.59 | oooo- | hey i dont have startx |
| 21:46.02 | oooo- | and i installed xserver |
| 21:46.02 | epsilon | .oO (strange, wasn't there at least one free unrar?) |
| 21:46.05 | FlopsyPete | drusscol: maybe you're stodd in front of the signal |
| 21:46.08 | pitbull_ | hehe okay. I'm sorry ;> |
| 21:46.09 | beardy | !install x |
| 21:46.09 | dpkg | it has been said that install xf4 is apt-get install read-edid mdetect discover; apt-get install x-window-system-core (plus whatever window manager you like, etc.), or ask me about "set up x", or "configure xf4" |
| 21:46.10 | stew | oooo-: isntall x-window-system-core |
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| 21:46.14 | weedar_ | drusscol, you are sure there wasn't just a problem with the ISP? I have experienced the same |
| 21:46.26 | lilo | ah, okay |
| 21:46.27 | jeph | hi all. Can anyone confirm support for Texus Instruments CardBus Controller (device 8031?) in linux-2.6.15.6 |
| 21:46.35 | Serg | Ukraine rulles |
| 21:46.35 | drusscol | weedar_: I don't think so - it's an on-campus network and everyone else was using the Net no problem |
| 21:47.01 | yggdrasil | how do i check what if i have a pkg installed ? |
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| 21:47.11 | Serg | I`m savage!!! |
| 21:47.12 | jeph | dpkg -l package_name |
| 21:47.12 | dpkg | No packages found matching package_name |
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| 21:47.34 | yggdrasil | thanks |
| 21:47.37 | yoo | stew are you here ? |
| 21:47.38 | epsilon | yggdrasil: dpkg -L <package>, dpkg --get-selections '*' |
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| 21:47.41 | stew | !wikifaq yggdrasil PackageManagement |
| 21:47.41 | dpkg | yggdrasil: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/PackageManagement or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 21:47.44 | beardy | lilo: That's rude. |
| 21:47.44 | epsilon | and so on |
| 21:47.44 | yoo | i solve my problem |
| 21:47.53 | nvz | lilo: to tell him that EE in fact rules around here? |
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| 21:48.16 | yoo | my problem was the package zeroconf |
| 21:48.27 | Virtual | I need a program to limit the download && upload of another program that I am running, any of you guys know such program ? |
| 21:48.33 | lilo | nvz: shhh 8) |
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| 21:48.41 | nvz | heh |
| 21:48.46 | stew | yoo: /msg dpkg reportbug |
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| 21:49.05 | yoo | ok |
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| 21:49.25 | beardy | !praize read errors |
| 21:49.30 | quiet | anyone know of an MRTG howto for Debian? |
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| 21:49.46 | fmasi | ei i just instaled and configured vsftpd but wen i put it to whork whith anonymous upload and make the /home/ftp directory rightbal by vsftp i get a error saing whiten permition is not alowed |
| 21:49.52 | fmasi | what do i have to do |
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| 21:50.07 | dpm_ | stew: "apt-cache policy libcurl3" gives me "Installed: (None) Candidate: (None) Version Table:". About the error: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9873 |
| 21:50.23 | fmasi | j #ubuntu |
| 21:50.32 | stew | dpm_: in that case please paste your sources.list |
| 21:50.46 | beardy | !pastebin |
| 21:50.46 | dpkg | pastebin is probably a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or check out http://securelabs.zapto.org/~pureone/src/pastebin.c if your stuck in console only |
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| 21:51.10 | nvz | apperently xine-ui has its own toolkit built on xlibs |
| 21:51.13 | nvz | I thought it was gtk |
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| 21:51.36 | nvz | but after patching the source I can obviously see there are no traces of gtk |
| 21:51.37 | sett | stew I solved the problem, I needed 2100 not 2200 driver :) |
| 21:51.37 | stew | good we need a few more gui toolkits :) |
| 21:51.41 | nk | where does apt store the .deb files temporaryly? |
| 21:51.42 | laurens_ | fmasi: /home/ftp has to be writeable by the anonymous ftp user, obviously. |
| 21:51.47 | laurens_ | try chmod -R 777 /home/ftp |
| 21:51.51 | stew | nk: /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 21:51.52 | PerfDave | nk: /var/cache/apt |
| 21:51.54 | laurens_ | it's anon -- anyone can access, execute.. |
| 21:51.56 | laurens_ | so 777 |
| 21:52.00 | nvz | stew: yeah right. and its a very very simple toolkit |
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| 21:52.21 | PerfDave | quiet: There was an MRTG howto on http://www.debian-administration.org/ very recently |
| 21:52.25 | nvz | stew: kind of like how xmms is designed.. custom skinnable interface |
| 21:52.25 | nk | thanks a lot |
| 21:52.26 | stew | i wince anytime i see 777 |
| 21:52.31 | beardy | nk: /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 21:52.33 | quiet | PerfDave, great, thanks man :) |
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| 21:52.40 | fmasi | laurens_ho is the anonymous ftp user becouse i set it to 777 and it still whont right it is a ftp error |
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| 21:52.58 | nvz | stew: I glanced at it because at first I was having doubts about the exact location to implement my change |
| 21:53.01 | laurens_ | fmasi: Can you log in? |
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| 21:53.17 | laurens_ | fmasi: place a phony file in there (touch /home/ftp/foo) and see if you can see it |
| 21:53.23 | laurens_ | fmasi: if you can, see if you can READ it |
| 21:53.30 | eeyore- | nvz: what modification were you making to xine-ui? |
| 21:53.47 | fmasi | laurens_ i gona past stuff in past bin |
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| 21:54.22 | dpm_ | stew: here's my sources.list http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9874 |
| 21:54.39 | laurens_ | whew. |
| 21:54.47 | laurens_ | My brain highlighted ubuntububu ;-) |
| 21:54.51 | nvz | eeyore-: found a glitch in the sarge package. you cant just right click on the mrl in the playlist and go to edit. you have to left click to select it first. my fix was just ignorantly making the right click select too.. and if it works it needs to only happen if no selections have been made yet.. so its not a normal selection button but if you right click on an mrl it should be able to edit regaurdless if its selected |
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| 21:55.04 | stew | dpm_: you don't have a deb line for main, only a deb-src, copy the deb-src line, make it deb ; run apt-get update ; then continue.. |
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| 21:55.11 | penguin_ | I had a warning when upgrading postgresql. How do I see that warning again? |
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| 21:55.41 | eeyore- | nvz: cool :-) so, you still have a question about dereferencing? |
| 21:56.11 | rysiek|pl | guys, got an issue with XServer: gives an error upon starting-up that "the device cannot be opened - no such file or directory" (it;s about the mouse). the mouse is connected through the serial port. maybe I'm mssing something - like the proper name of the device? |
| 21:56.22 | dpm_ | stew: sorry, I don't understand the first part: what do you mean by the deb-src line? |
| 21:56.31 | nvz | eeyore-: yeah whatever the hell that is :P |
| 21:56.33 | stew | dpm_: the first line of that file |
| 21:56.34 | eeyore- | nvz: ...->... is c++ syntax anyway, and it just means "left hand side is a pointer, dereference it and get me the right hand side" |
| 21:56.37 | nvz | eeyore-: the fix didnt work btw |
| 21:56.46 | stew | dpm_: the one that starts with "deb-src" |
| 21:56.54 | nvz | eeyore-: well actually I dont know I didnt uninstall the old one first.. heh |
| 21:56.57 | nvz | eeyore-: I should do that |
| 21:57.06 | laurens_ | When adding an EPS file into my LaTeX document, I get: |
| 21:57.07 | laurens_ | Unknown graphics extension: .eps. |
| 21:57.14 | laurens_ | When I compile it to a PDF. Any ideas? |
| 21:58.08 | dpm_ | stew: aaargh I didn't realize that, playing around with synaptic I must have changed deb to deb-src. I didn't even notice it when I pasted it. Thanks. |
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| 21:58.33 | nvz | eeyore-: nope all it did was make the fonts look bigger *shrug* hell if I know how/why that is.. |
| 21:59.17 | nvz | eeyore-: so its assigning the variable's value to the pointer address? |
| 21:59.24 | phogg | note to self: always check for faster mirrors. |
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| 21:59.47 | eeyore- | nvz: mmmmm, foo->bar by itself is not meaningful. |
| 21:59.59 | cahoot | laurens_: For PDF files you should use PDF, JPEG or other graphic files |
| 22:00.07 | eeyore- | nvz: int result = foo->bar; that would be assigning |
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| 22:00.27 | alarmyst | hi there |
| 22:00.36 | eeyore- | nvz: or, int result = foo->bar(); would also be assigning, after executing bar() (assuming bar is a function pointer) |
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| 22:01.02 | Dunedan | I got a problem with convmv. My whole system is UTF-8, but when I try to convert some filenames into UTF-8 convmv break the special letters like äÜßĂ. When I fix it manually convmv says that these filenames are not UTF-8. Does anybody know why? |
| 22:01.35 | nvz | eeyore-: example from src/xitk/playlist.c xitk_get_window_position(gGui->display, playlist->window, &wx, &wy, NULL, NULL); |
| 22:01.43 | penguin_ | So anyone know how to see apt-upgrade warnings again? |
| 22:02.02 | fmasi | laurens_ check out this 3 pastes http://pastebin.ca/44965 http://pastebin.ca/44966 http://pastebin.ca/44967 |
| 22:02.15 | phogg | -> isn't c++ syntax... it's the same as (*foo).bar and works just fine in c |
| 22:02.56 | sett | this is terrible, no im client with good skin/theme support |
| 22:02.58 | eeyore- | nvz: in that context, gGui->display is passed as a parameter to a function call, so that means gGui is dereferenced, and content of "display" (which is a member of the structure) is passed on to the function call |
| 22:03.04 | sett | someone should change that |
| 22:03.34 | thingfish | sett: learn to code and do it yourself. |
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| 22:03.41 | thingfish | :) |
| 22:03.42 | oooo- | failed to initialize core devices when doing 'startx' |
| 22:03.44 | oooo- | what doesit mean |
| 22:03.54 | sett | thingfish> I'll try my best |
| 22:03.56 | stew | oooo-: it means it didn't find your mouse |
| 22:03.57 | thingfish | hehe |
| 22:04.04 | eeyore- | phobo: may have been a method call :-) |
| 22:04.10 | stew | oooo-: what does "uname -r" say? do you have the mouesdev module loaded? |
| 22:04.11 | pipeline | oooo-: Well, it doesn't ALWAYS meen your mouse, but in this case, it probably does. That's the most common problem. |
| 22:04.11 | eeyore- | phogg: ^^ may have been a method call |
| 22:04.19 | oooo- | stew only mouse? |
| 22:04.19 | pipeline | oooo-: Try running X -allowMouseOpenFail :P |
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| 22:04.29 | nvz | hmm anyhow I obviously need to read more of the xine source.. I just skimmed through the xitk code and the playlist.c and a few other files like the keymap.c or whatever |
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| 22:04.55 | stew | oooo-: yes. i think? i'm not sure what your question was supposed to be asking |
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| 22:05.35 | oooo- | pipeline i dont have X |
| 22:05.46 | eeyore- | anybody heard of "solarpc" company? |
| 22:05.53 | Nwallins | abrotman, sepski: i got atftpd working great, but there are still some PXE problems. I made an image from a DOS boot disk using dd, but the image hangs the client machine. booting from the floppy works though. using each boot method, I get "Starting ..." but PXE boot hangs while floppy boot goes right to A:\> |
| 22:05.57 | phogg | oooo-: hard to startx without X |
| 22:05.59 | eeyore- | they make some neat (and cheap) cases for mini-itx boards |
| 22:06.11 | stew | pitbull_: please turn that off in here |
| 22:06.20 | sewi | hello, is there a freenx deb package for debian sarge anywhere? |
| 22:06.39 | eeyore- | $99 for one with pci riser, pico power supply and power brick, and very small, powdercoated |
| 22:06.50 | fmasi | some one help me set my vsftpd to be amble to have anonymous update check out this 3 pastes http://pastebin.ca/44965 http://pastebin.ca/44966 http://pastebin.ca/44967 |
| 22:06.52 | pipeline | Nwallins: atftpd? use tftpd-hpa. And what are you using here? "pxelinux" floppy emulation? |
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| 22:07.04 | nvz | first part is understanding the code, then deciding how to implement the change. I think on right click of the mrl listbox widget it should check to see if playlist.mmk[] is null and if it is, select the current url and then do the normal right click function |
| 22:07.17 | quiet | PerfDave, have you ever used mrtg? |
| 22:07.24 | eeyore- | www.solarpc.com --- i'm ordering a case from them, hope it's good :-> heh. guinea pig. |
| 22:07.27 | Nwallins | pipeline: yes, i grabbed pxelinux.0 from syslinux, and got my floppy image from dd |
| 22:07.43 | Sonny | hi, a good video player (vcd, dvd, avi, etc) for kde? xine or what? |
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| 22:07.58 | Nwallins | pipeline: i was asking about tftpd's in here a little while ago. the only response was in favor of atftpd |
| 22:08.04 | sepski | Nwallins, well i pxeboot 250 machines using atftpd but all of those have pxe nic's tho i imagine you want to use etherboot if you want to use a floppy. |
| 22:08.20 | pipeline | sepski: I think he's trying to boot a fake floppy using PXE |
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| 22:08.32 | Nwallins | hmm... the nic is a PXE nic.. the floppy is only involved for the boot image |
| 22:08.36 | nvz | this could have been fixed already for all I know but I doubt it as its not really a bug.. and besides that I was expecting it to be easy.. heh but I realized how important knowing C++ can be in this situation |
| 22:08.59 | PerfDave | quiet: Yes, but I've never set it up :) |
| 22:09.10 | PerfDave | Sonny: kaffeine? Personally I just use vlc |
| 22:09.18 | quiet | PerfDave, okay.. heh... i'm trying to figure out how to add additional nodes to monitor. |
| 22:09.33 | abrotman | !tell pitbull_ about away |
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| 22:10.05 | Sonny | PerfDave, Kaffeine its not in the Debian repositories |
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| 22:10.21 | abrotman | Nwallins: my understanding of PXE is that it will find the TFTP and grab a boot image |
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| 22:10.29 | abrotman | Sonny: correction . it's not in testing |
| 22:10.34 | sepski | Nwallins, i have never tried pxe booting to a floppy image. only to regular linux kernel+initrd+ nfsroot |
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| 22:10.52 | Sonny | abrotman: so where is it? |
| 22:11.02 | quiet | Sonny, marillat repos has libdvdcss2 and gxine and win32codecs and stuff... works well |
| 22:11.24 | Sonny | thnx |
| 22:11.38 | PerfDave | Sonny: kaffeine is in Debian |
| 22:11.52 | Nwallins | abrotman: yeah, it's finding the tftp and grabbing the image. it even starts to execute the image, but then it hangs |
| 22:11.59 | Nwallins | sepski: ^ |
| 22:12.00 | Sonny | PerfDave, I use testing, but I dont see it |
| 22:12.02 | PerfDave | Sonny: Be aware that it may be illegal to use packages from marillat where you are. |
| 22:12.07 | PerfDave | Sonny: Well, it's in stable. |
| 22:12.30 | Sonny | quiet: gxine is in testing repositories |
| 22:13.01 | Nwallins | the dhcp part of pxe boot takes like 60 seconds though :/ |
| 22:13.02 | quiet | Sonny, okay... and all the dvd decrption stuff... mplayer, codecs, etc... is in marillat. |
| 22:13.33 | wpostma | i am seeing strange stuff in my http logs. http post activity and so on, to urls that seem invalid to me. I wonder if I've been rootkitted. |
| 22:13.49 | fmasi | some one tell me pleas how to make vsftpd acept anonymous write |
| 22:13.55 | Sonny | quiet, is there a web page where I can download the codecs... cause having the files its just copying them to some directories |
| 22:13.56 | Nwallins | wpostma: more likely someone is looking for holes on your webserver |
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| 22:14.04 | nvz | wpostma: nope. |
| 22:14.10 | quiet | Sonny, the mplayer website? |
| 22:14.16 | Nwallins | wpostma: s/someone/some script/ |
| 22:14.17 | PerfDave | wpostma: Could be something trying to use you as an open proxy? |
| 22:14.20 | wpostma | Can I tripwire these guys? (Ie, 3 invalid HTTP requests blackholes the IP.) |
| 22:14.22 | nvz | wpostma: if you've been rooted they would have erased that log .. heh |
| 22:14.36 | sepski | Nwallins, what i do is something like , debootstrap a directoy and share that as nfsroot. and either use a custom kernel or a kernelimage and a adapted initrd (initrd-netboot-tools helps here) and then i pxeboot that kernel with args like init=/sbin/init ip=dhcp root=/dev/nfs nfsroot=192.168.1.10:/nfsroot/ |
| 22:14.46 | nvz | wpostma: at least thats the first thing I would do |
| 22:14.59 | penguin_ | So anyone know how to see apt-upgrade warnings again? |
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| 22:15.24 | wpostma | It looks like there must be vulnerabilities in xmlrpc, and some blog software. |
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| 22:15.38 | nicolas__ | penguin_: reinstall de packages |
| 22:16.08 | Nwallins | sepski: interesting... i am an open source island in a microsoft shop and I'm trying to manage Win2k3 images using ghost/netboot i wish it were otherwise ;) |
| 22:16.23 | nvz | wpostma: my webserver was up for testing pages on my phone it had nothing but a few useless broken pieces of code on it. .and people were hitting it left and right looking for vulernable php scripts and my server didnt even support php |
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| 22:17.20 | pipeline | Nwallins: That's extremely foolish. Use Win2k3 to serve Win2k3 images. What's it called, RDI or something? |
| 22:17.27 | nvz | mmmm I knew I was gonna be hungry and apperently bought myself some gummi bears.. forgot all about it |
| 22:17.42 | eeyore- | nvz: same for me (vulnerable php scripts) --- what the hell is xmlrpc.php anyway? i'm tempted to make one by that name and dump whatever get/put variables came over :-) |
| 22:17.47 | gutano | nvz: awesome |
| 22:18.04 | Rawplayer | RE |
| 22:18.17 | nvz | eeyore-: heh. yeah I just shut my server down and turned off my hostname |
| 22:18.29 | penguin_ | I think there is a method to get the warnings from apt-upgrade |
| 22:18.33 | nvz | eeyore-: this aint no playground. |
| 22:18.45 | penguin_ | I just forgot what it is. |
| 22:19.01 | Nwallins | pipeline: we are using ghost 7.5 and it works great. the problem I am trying to solve is: easily booting into ghost (via DOS) |
| 22:19.05 | nvz | penguin_: apt-get install apt-listbugs |
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| 22:19.42 | eeyore- | it's funny when i see ... "cd /var/tmp; curl ..." :-) |
| 22:19.48 | eeyore- | (as part of the URL) |
| 22:20.13 | nvz | eeyore-: yeah I was getting all sorts of shell commands as php params |
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| 22:20.42 | nvz | eeyore-: you'd think they'd realize after the first time I dont have a php enabled server and there are no scripts in my server root |
| 22:20.53 | eeyore- | i think the attacks are more targeted now. i don't see any "windows" attack on the unix box any more. maybe instead of crapshooting, they're more selective and use "unix-y" attacks on unix hosts |
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| 22:21.56 | Nwallins | the number of the beast! |
| 22:22.01 | PerfDave | Managing Win2K images is much harder than Win9x images unless you've got identical hardware everywhere. Using partimage is pretty niec though. |
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| 22:22.23 | Nwallins | PerfDave: we have quasi-identical dell boxes, but it's been working so far. imaging one box and distributing it |
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| 22:22.28 | penguin_ | How do you find the configuration code for a package? |
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| 22:22.47 | dondelelcaro | penguin_: apt-get source foopkg; |
| 22:22.54 | Nwallins | PerfDave: i was looking at partimage, but it seemed like red flags were going up everwhere concerning NTFS |
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| 22:23.05 | eeyore- | Nwallins: if you don't care about unique id's it's not too bad |
| 22:23.56 | PerfDave | Nwallins: Ah, I do my installations on FAT32 as God intended. I believe you can do some good thigns with ntfsclone et al. over a network though |
| 22:24.02 | Nwallins | eeyore-: yup. some boxes have to reconfigure 1 or 2 hardware on first boot, but otherwise seems pretty good |
| 22:24.18 | Nwallins | PerfDave: yeah, these are test boxes, they need to mirror production |
| 22:24.49 | PerfDave | Nwallins: Windows has a moronic habit of deleting all the IDE drivers except the one you need to boot, so you can't restore a Win2K image onto a machine with a different IDE chipset. It's bitten me in the arse before. |
| 22:25.04 | yggdrasil | anyone have any tips for getting dma turned on on my debian install.. custom kernel i got my chipset module loaded and most of the dma stuff turned on. |
| 22:25.13 | Nwallins | PerfDave: hmm.. i'll keep that in mind. we have 8 boxes. 4 like the image so far, 4 haven't tried yet |
| 22:25.28 | penguin_ | Isnt the configuration for each package stored somewhere? |
| 22:25.53 | PerfDave | penguin_: Are you after "dpkg-reconfigure $package"? |
| 22:26.00 | PerfDave | yggdrasil: hdparm |
| 22:26.15 | yggdrasil | perfdave tried it... |
| 22:26.19 | penguin_ | What is hdparm? |
| 22:26.22 | yggdrasil | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.32 | PerfDave | penguin_: A utility to set your hard disk parameters. |
| 22:26.34 | alex116 | what options do I need to use to mount a fat32 drive as root so a user has write permissions? |
| 22:26.38 | PerfDave | yggdrasil: Sounds like your custom kernel is broken. |
| 22:26.41 | eeyore- | yppdra: SATA? |
| 22:26.42 | yggdrasil | hmmm |
| 22:26.52 | Nwallins | penguin_: manage the settings for ide drives (dma, etc.) |
| 22:27.01 | yggdrasil | i just rebuilt a few times to mke sure everything was cook .not just ar egular ide drive |
| 22:27.03 | penguin_ | That is actually what I wanted. Postgresql install mentioned it when installing |
| 22:27.07 | PerfDave | alex116: man mount, see the uid, gid, user or umask options |
| 22:27.08 | nicolas__ | penguin_: dpkg -L packagename grep etc |
| 22:27.18 | yggdrasil | coo leven |
| 22:27.27 | beardy | !vfatrw |
| 22:27.27 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS, if you replace "vfat" with "ntfs" (although you can't currently easily _write_ to NTFS with Linux).. |
| 22:27.30 | beardy | alex116: ^^^ |
| 22:28.29 | alex116 | ah... ok I guess I didn't understand that I was supposed to assign a uid to the uid argument :) |
| 22:28.32 | alex116 | thanks |
| 22:28.33 | eeyore- | why not just use ",user" mount option? |
| 22:28.49 | eeyore- | oh wait, you want to control who can read/write it it eh |
| 22:28.51 | PerfDave | eeyore-: Not much use if you want more than one user to access it. |
| 22:29.49 | penguin_ | The configuration for each package is stored somewhere. I am certain of it. |
| 22:29.55 | coolpix | bye. |
| 22:29.58 | penguin_ | I just cant remember how to get at it. |
| 22:30.05 | Nwallins | coolpix: have a nice life |
| 22:30.15 | mrec | does anyone have a cinergy T2 dvb-t device? |
| 22:30.20 | PerfDave | penguin_: dpkg-reconfigure $package? |
| 22:30.31 | PerfDave | mrec: No, nobody does. They've sold 0 units. |
| 22:30.32 | penguin_ | But that will reconfigure it. |
| 22:30.42 | PerfDave | penguin_: It will also show you what the configuration is :) |
| 22:31.06 | penguin_ | There is another way to see that stuff. |
| 22:31.19 | phatfish | could anyone reccomend a program that will prepare a drive for encryption? Using "dd" on a 200gig drive to write random looking data seems to take a very long time. |
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| 22:32.34 | Nwallins | phatfish: prepare it for encryption? seems to me you'd want your plaintext intact before you encrypt it |
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| 22:33.00 | lnxnt | hi |
| 22:33.05 | lnxnt | do you know JFlex? |
| 22:33.28 | PerfDave | penguin_: If there is, do feel free to tell me, I've been using Debian for years and haven't heard of one ;) |
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| 22:34.06 | phatfish | Nwallins: this tutorial i have seems to reccomend you write some random data to the drive before using it for encrypted data. |
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| 22:34.15 | dondelelcaro | penguin_: which configuration are you talking about? The only configuration that is stored is the debconf data, but that can be purged at any time. |
| 22:34.29 | dondelelcaro | (ignoring actual configuration files, of course.) |
| 22:35.07 | CoolGuy | http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=591636 I am having this error with apt-get |
| 22:35.10 | Nwallins | phatfish: hmmm.. ok maybe it's overwriting blocks of zero bits? |
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| 22:35.44 | phatfish | http://deb.riseup.net/storage/encryption/loop-aes/ i was using parts of this tutorial |
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| 22:36.46 | PerfDave | penguin_: If you want to write random data, look at shred? |
| 22:37.27 | penguin_ | What about the debconf data. How to get that? |
| 22:37.36 | dondelelcaro | penguin_: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 22:37.45 | dondelelcaro | !real question |
| 22:37.45 | dpkg | Please tell us what the real problem is instead of wasting our time asking questions about things that you think are related to the problem. If you don't, you're just wasting your time and ours. [Far too often what you think is related to the problem actually isn't or won't help you solve your problem at all.] |
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| 22:38.04 | CoolGuy | Any ideas? |
| 22:38.09 | penguin_ | I want to see the debconf data for postgresql I guess. |
| 22:38.16 | beardy | Haha.. |
| 22:38.20 | dondelelcaro | penguin_: I ask again, what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 22:38.21 | streuner | CoolGuy: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500' say? |
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| 22:38.59 | penguin_ | When I installed postgresql it gave some kind of warning about trying hdparm. |
| 22:39.01 | A10n | hey guys can someone help me out with update-alternatives? |
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| 22:39.07 | penguin_ | I want to see that warning again. |
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| 22:39.12 | dondelelcaro | A10n: just ask your question |
| 22:39.26 | CoolGuy | streuner, it gives me these errors http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=591650 |
| 22:39.36 | beardy | penguin_: dpkg-reconfigure <packagename> |
| 22:39.37 | arnd__ | hello |
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| 22:39.47 | streuner | CoolGuy: cool, we still need the info about |
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| 22:40.28 | Tarantulafudge | anyone here have experience with dante? |
| 22:40.28 | warjest | i'm having a problem ever since i upgraded a few days ago where cron fails to exit properly, and i dont know if it causes bind or if it happens to bind as well but the service locks up as well. furthermore, any new processes show up as defunct |
| 22:40.36 | dondelelcaro | !tell Tarantulafudge -about ask |
| 22:40.40 | warjest | and i'm looking at a reinstall if i cant get this to work |
| 22:40.42 | A10n | okay. I want to do update-alternatives --config java, but it only displays the gij, gcj. I just installed /usr/lib/jdk1.5.0_06 and need to add it to the lis tof alternatives. i see that there is an update-alternatives --install command but need some help figuring it out so i don't mess up |
| 22:41.05 | Tarantulafudge | i wasn't asking to ask |
| 22:41.07 | beardy | warjest: Upgraded to and from what? |
| 22:41.08 | dondelelcaro | A10n: you need to use the java-package package to install the jdk if you want to use it as an alternative. |
| 22:41.08 | stew | A10n: did you use java-package / make-jpkg to install your jdk? |
| 22:41.09 | pipeline | A10n: If you don't install it through the package system, it won't work. |
| 22:41.11 | vulture | A10n: I'd suggest you use the java-package package to make a proper Debian package for Sun's JDK |
| 22:41.14 | Tarantulafudge | I was trying to figure out if it was worth asking in here |
| 22:41.19 | CoolGuy | streuner, What other info? |
| 22:41.23 | beardy | Tarantulafudge: You asked in a bad way. |
| 22:41.25 | dondelelcaro | Tarantulafudge: you were asking if it was ok to ask. |
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| 22:41.47 | wpostma | Tarantulafudge, it's not okay to ask if it's okay to ask. :-) |
| 22:41.51 | beardy | Tarantulafudge: /msg dpkg smart questions |
| 22:41.56 | fugit | CoolGuy did you run apt-get update ; apt-get -f install ? |
| 22:41.57 | Tarantulafudge | I didn't ask to ask lol |
| 22:42.01 | A10n | okay guys, i did an apt-get install java-package, but when i tried to use fakeroot make-jpkg jre-1_5_0_06-linux-i586.bin i had problems |
| 22:42.03 | beardy | !lol |
| 22:42.03 | Tarantulafudge | anyways, dante won't work |
| 22:42.03 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 22:42.12 | A10n | i am using ubuntu... |
| 22:42.13 | CoolGuy | fugit, Yes I ran those, and both fail with errors |
| 22:42.19 | Tarantulafudge | dpkg, pfft |
| 22:42.22 | beardy | A10n: /join #ubuntu |
| 22:42.22 | CoolGuy | fugit, Would you like me to run them and paste them again? |
| 22:42.25 | dondelelcaro | Tarantulafudge: uh... reread what dpkg told you, and ask the question in the same manner. |
| 22:42.28 | A10n | beardy, they are idiots |
| 22:42.29 | warjest | beardy: just a dist-upgrade, and i saw the bug about cron after i upgraded. i'm running sid |
| 22:42.38 | streuner | CoolGuy: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500' say? |
| 22:42.38 | A10n | no help in that channel, plus ubuntu is debian... |
| 22:42.40 | dondelelcaro | A10n: well, we really can't support the changes that they've made to Debian, unfortunatly. |
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| 22:42.47 | beardy | A10n: Irrelevant. Install Debian then. |
| 22:42.56 | streuner | A10n: apples are bananas! |
| 22:42.56 | fugit | Coolguy: no need looking at the first set of errors |
| 22:43.00 | A10n | :/ |
| 22:43.02 | beardy | !ubuntu |
| 22:43.02 | dpkg | well, ubuntu is not Debian. See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian.. |
| 22:43.04 | Tarantulafudge | beardy, hahas are to insensitve. |
| 22:43.12 | Tarantulafudge | beardy, better to use lol |
| 22:43.14 | tombs | hi all |
| 22:43.30 | Tarantulafudge | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:43.43 | beardy | Tarantulafudge: If you want to look like an AOL user and be chased down by an army of militant badgers, fine. |
| 22:43.46 | Tarantulafudge | danted won't accept connections for some reason |
| 22:43.50 | CoolGuy | ii libc6 2.3.6-3 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data |
| 22:43.50 | CoolGuy | W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://non-us.debian.org sid/non-US/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/non-us.debian.org_debian-non-US_dists_sid_non-US_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 22:43.50 | CoolGuy | W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://non-us.debian.org sid/non-US/contribPackages (/var/lib/apt/lists/non-us.debian.org_debian-non-US_dists_sid_non-US_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 22:43.50 | CoolGuy | W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://non-us.debian.org sid/non-US/non-free Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/non-us.debian.org_debian-non-US_dists_sid_non-US_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
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| 22:44.00 | dondelelcaro | CoolGuy: do not paste here please. |
| 22:44.07 | Tarantulafudge | beardy, i've never heard lol being associated with lo |
| 22:44.09 | dondelelcaro | Tarantulafudge: give us the netstat -plunt; output. |
| 22:44.18 | dondelelcaro | Tarantulafudge: use the paster bot to do so. |
| 22:44.25 | streuner | CoolGuy: /msg dpkg paster and show us your sources.list |
| 22:44.37 | beardy | Tarantulafudge: Me neither? |
| 22:45.19 | nvz | syntax highlighting on psuedo transparent terminals with non-solid backgrounds really sucks |
| 22:45.24 | CoolGuy | Which channel should I use? |
| 22:45.38 | dondelelcaro | CoolGuy: #flood, or the paster bot. |
| 22:45.41 | stew | CoolGuy: /msg dpkg paster |
| 22:45.43 | streuner | !tell CoolGuy about paster |
| 22:45.53 | streuner | !tell CoolGuy about paste |
| 22:45.56 | CoolGuy | I did that, and the website gives a pull-down of channels to paste to |
| 22:46.06 | Tarantulafudge | dondelelcaro, ok, its in debian-overflow |
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| 22:46.28 | Nwallins | CoolGuy: don't worry about any of that stuff. just paste your stuff, and paste the link in here |
| 22:46.28 | Tarantulafudge | dondelelcaro, http://channels.debian.net/paste/2017 |
| 22:46.32 | streuner | CoolGuy: in what channel are you? #debian? |
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| 22:47.04 | dondelelcaro | Tarantulafudge: so danted will only accept connections to localhost 1080 |
| 22:47.11 | Tarantulafudge | dondelelcaro, yes |
| 22:47.17 | streuner | CoolGuy: and btw, why are you in ##linspire? |
| 22:47.19 | Tarantulafudge | dondelelcaro, ssh tunnel rox for school networks :P |
| 22:47.29 | dondelelcaro | Tarantulafudge: you'll need to change its configuration to bind to 0.0.0.0:1080 if you want it to do something else. |
| 22:47.46 | Nwallins | Tarantulafudge: corporate ones, too |
| 22:47.55 | Tarantulafudge | dondelelcaro, huh? |
| 22:48.00 | streuner | brb... |
| 22:48.12 | Tarantulafudge | dondelelcaro, for ssh tunnels? |
| 22:48.13 | CoolGuy | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2018 |
| 22:48.48 | dondelelcaro | Tarantulafudge: if you're connecting the tunnel through to 1080 on the local machine, no, but then you should be able to telnet lolcahost 1080; on that machine too |
| 22:49.13 | Tarantulafudge | dondelelcaro, well that works |
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| 22:49.26 | dondelelcaro | CoolGuy: non-us no longer exists. Delete that line, and add a security line to your sources.list |
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| 22:49.39 | dondelelcaro | s/add a .+// |
| 22:49.41 | Tarantulafudge | dondelelcaro, works with the ssh tunnel running |
| 22:49.50 | CoolGuy | dondelelcaro, Ok |
| 22:49.50 | Tarantulafudge | dondelelcaro, locally |
| 22:49.53 | Tarantulafudge | dondelelcaro, so now what |
| 22:50.00 | Tarantulafudge | dondelelcaro, paste my config? |
| 22:50.09 | dondelelcaro | Tarantulafudge: so what's the problem then? |
| 22:50.13 | CoolGuy | dondelelcaro, What does your security line look like? |
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| 22:50.26 | dondelelcaro | CoolGuy: I don't have one, because I'm running sid. If you're going to run sid, you don't need one either. |
| 22:50.31 | Tarantulafudge | dondelelcaro, just physically doesnt work |
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| 22:50.44 | dondelelcaro | (but if you're running unstable, you really shouldn't be asking this sort of question at all.) |
| 22:50.44 | Tarantulafudge | dondelelcaro, i put it in firefox |
| 22:50.49 | Tarantulafudge | dondelelcaro, but i get blank pages |
| 22:51.01 | Tarantulafudge | dondelelcaro, this is a professional /stable/ server |
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| 22:51.19 | tombs | does anyone know when firefox 1.5 will be in Etch? |
| 22:51.30 | dondelelcaro | Tarantulafudge: that was for CoolGuy, not you. |
| 22:51.30 | CoolGuy | So, now run apt-get update? |
| 22:51.32 | Tarantulafudge | dondelelcaro, any clues? |
| 22:51.33 | dondelelcaro | CoolGuy: yes. |
| 22:51.40 | streuner | tombs: /msg dpkg why is mozilla-firefox not in testing |
| 22:51.46 | dondelelcaro | Tarantulafudge: can you connect to the socks port on the local machine? |
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| 22:52.48 | Tarantulafudge | dondelelcaro, with telnet yea |
| 22:53.11 | A10n | well guys i just changed the script to use java in my certain directory. |
| 22:53.14 | A10n | thanks for the help! |
| 22:53.14 | CoolGuy | Still giving me the same errors |
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| 22:53.45 | tombs | streuner, what happen than if I change my source list to sid, and upgrade firefox? |
| 22:53.51 | Hitch | Hi folks, I just insert a new ATA hd driver on my pc and I pationed it. Using cfdisk I made 2 partions one with 1GB and the other using ther remaining space 79GB. The cfdisk shows it perefectly. When I mount the big one (it's a ext3 partition) and use df it shows me the size 73GB. Why it? Some one has any idea to correct it? |
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| 22:54.07 | streuner | tombs: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 22:54.13 | streuner | tombs: read that first |
| 22:54.14 | tombs | hehe |
| 22:54.17 | tombs | ok |
| 22:54.22 | dondelelcaro | Tarantulafudge: then it sure appears that dante is working properly; try using HTTP_PROXY="localhost:danteclientport" links ...; etc. |
| 22:54.38 | abrotman | Hitch: it could be "rounding" |
| 22:54.50 | Tarantulafudge | dondelelcaro, in the telnet? |
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| 22:55.03 | dondelelcaro | Tarantulafudge: no. links is a web browser. |
| 22:55.26 | Hitch | rounding?? sorry.. i did not understand |
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| 22:55.48 | CoolGuy | These are the errors that I am getting now http://channels.debian.net/paste/2019 |
| 22:55.59 | Tarantulafudge | dondelelcaro, i know, misinterpreted |
| 22:56.04 | Tarantulafudge | dondelelcaro, will that work with lynx? |
| 22:56.13 | abrotman | Hitch: what options are you giving df ? |
| 22:56.35 | Tarantulafudge | dondelelcaro, if it does then it works |
| 22:56.40 | Hitch | abrotman: just the -h |
| 22:56.52 | dondelelcaro | Tarantulafudge: lynx uses a different env variable... but it should work. |
| 22:56.52 | abrotman | try -k |
| 22:57.10 | dondelelcaro | !overwrite |
| 22:57.10 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-overwrite is because the package you are trying to install has files which exist in another package and does not conflict with the other package. This is *ALWAYS* a bug. Make sure a bug is filed (ask me about <bts>). If there isn't one, use reportbug to report it. Then install using the following: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" install <packagename> |
| 22:57.13 | dondelelcaro | CoolGuy: see above. |
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| 22:58.31 | CoolGuy | :( that doesn't work either, same errors. |
| 22:58.46 | Tarantulafudge | dondelelcaro, it works, i just installed links and tried it |
| 22:58.48 | dondelelcaro | CoolGuy: it definetly won't give the same error. |
| 22:59.01 | Tarantulafudge | dondelelcaro, pass(1): tcp/accept ] |
| 22:59.11 | dondelelcaro | Tarantulafudge: right, then it sounds like you've got a firefox configuration issue... |
| 22:59.16 | Tarantulafudge | dondelelcaro, but that doesn't explain why it won't work in firefox |
| 22:59.23 | CoolGuy | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2020 |
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| 22:59.38 | Hitch | But whitout the -h it shows 75940864 what differs from the cfdisk that shows 79003.82MB |
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| 22:59.59 | dondelelcaro | CoolGuy: install -f not install mysql-server. |
| 23:00.00 | Hitch | abrotman: the -k shows the same thing |
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| 23:00.25 | Tarantulafudge | dondelelcaro, don't think it'll work in IE either cause my friend can't access it |
| 23:00.38 | arnd__ | i've got the following problem: the moon-buggy highscore file on my sarge box seems to get overwritten or to be reseted from time to time. maybe it is related to the fact that there are two players playing at the same time. but on the other hand moon-buggy uses file locking (iirc) to avoid conflict arrising from concurrent sessions. |
| 23:00.49 | CoolGuy | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2021 |
| 23:00.55 | abrotman | Hitch: what does it show .. just that one line |
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| 23:01.37 | Tarantulafudge | dondelelcaro, socks protocol error :) |
| 23:01.51 | clojster | I have replaced mplayer-k6 with mplayer-nogui and now my OSD fonts and subtitles are weird. This is no ordinary font I know (and I'm specifying one with the -font parameter in console) Do anyone know where can be problem? (I know mplayer isn't official package... |
| 23:02.17 | Hitch | abrotman: About that partion just it. /dev/hdb2 75940864 131228 71952028 1% /mnt/outro |
| 23:02.33 | abrotman | that seems right to me .. |
| 23:02.49 | CoolGuy | :( debian hates me |
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| 23:03.09 | abrotman | !tell CoolGuy about overwrite |
| 23:03.56 | CoolGuy | overwrite |
| 23:04.05 | CoolGuy | i tried that, and it generated the same errors |
| 23:04.08 | loggygreg | if you want to overwrite the file mentionned use 'dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/x11-common_6.9.0.dfsg.1-4_all.deb' and after apt-get -f install |
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| 23:05.11 | Hitch | abrotman: but my hd is 80Gb. the other partion is 1GB. So I need to have 79GB on the other partition? Do you agree? and my cfdisk show me: hdb1 Primary OpenBSD 1019.94 |
| 23:05.11 | Hitch | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:05.21 | CoolGuy | That worked |
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| 23:05.28 | abrotman | Hitch: oh .. sorry .. i thought it was 75GB :) |
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| 23:05.47 | abrotman | Hitch: if you check dmesg .. what does it say? |
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| 23:06.28 | Hitch | hdb: max request size: 1024KiB |
| 23:06.29 | Hitch | hdb: Host Protected Area detected. |
| 23:06.29 | Hitch | hdb: Host Protected Area disabled. |
| 23:06.29 | Hitch | hdb: 156301488 sectors (80026 MB) w/2048KiB Cache, CHS=16383/255/63, UDMA(100) |
| 23:06.29 | Hitch | hdb: cache flushes supported |
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| 23:06.59 | CoolGuy | Can I use apt-get to fetch dependencies also? |
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| 23:07.50 | CoolGuy | I get a lot of "the following have unmet dependencies" |
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| 23:08.24 | loggygreg | CoolGuy: apt-get -f install fetch the dependancies, no ? |
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| 23:09.01 | CoolGuy | loggygreg, No :( |
| 23:09.20 | Agrajag- | gday, im trying to use ntp-simple, but it sets my time wrong. my /etc/timezone file is correct. i think it's because the internal clock isn't set to gmt. how can i tell ntpd that this is the case? |
| 23:09.36 | beto_ | abrotman: It's me.. Hitch.. did you see my dmesg? |
| 23:09.44 | abrotman | part of it .. |
| 23:09.51 | abrotman | don't try again :) |
| 23:10.15 | beto_ | ok |
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| 23:10.36 | CoolGuy | loggygreg, Do I need to specify the package name after -f install ? or by itself? apt-get -f install just says that nothing was updated.. |
| 23:10.44 | abrotman | beto_: it could honestly be the way that the manuf counts vs how linux counts |
| 23:10.59 | priscila | Agrajag-: use base-config and tell it which hardware clock isn't set to gmt. |
| 23:11.08 | beto_ | abrotman: A important part 156301488 sectors (80026 MB) w/2048KiB Cache, CHS=16383/255/63, UDMA(100) |
| 23:11.08 | CoolGuy | "Broken packages" too |
| 23:11.18 | beto_ | abrotman: manuf? |
| 23:11.19 | loggygreg | CoolGuy: just apt-get -f install |
| 23:11.50 | Agrajag- | priscila: i already did that |
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| 23:11.54 | abrotman | manufacterer |
| 23:11.57 | abrotman | bah .. can't spell |
| 23:12.09 | nn- | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:12.15 | abrotman | beto_: afaik ..there is no limit at 72GB |
| 23:12.24 | abrotman | nn-: yeah .. i know |
| 23:12.26 | loggygreg | CoolGuy: and what do you want to do ? |
| 23:12.44 | abrotman | beto_: also .. remember 5% is reserved for root |
| 23:12.46 | nn- | abrotman: that's damn easy and my english is more than pathetic :P |
| 23:13.00 | abrotman | nn-: hey .. i've been at work for 9 hours! |
| 23:13.11 | CoolGuy | loggygreg, I am trying to install mysql-server but a lot of the packages I try to install give errors and end in "broken package" |
| 23:13.17 | nn- | abrotman: i can forgive you |
| 23:13.21 | abrotman | thank you |
| 23:13.33 | nn- | make 4% |
| 23:13.38 | thingfish | gosh, a clean heatsink for your cpu sure makes a difference. |
| 23:13.47 | beto_ | wait. 5% of my hd that i'm using just for store data. is reserved for root?? |
| 23:13.58 | beto_ | abrotman: how it works? |
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| 23:14.16 | thingfish | my cpu was idling at around 53C, now it's around 40C. |
| 23:14.17 | abrotman | man mkfs.ext3 .. or something like that |
| 23:14.18 | loggygreg | CoolGuy: i think that you can't install mysql-server actually (it seems the package is broken), try later probably |
| 23:14.21 | abrotman | or man tune2fs |
| 23:14.46 | CoolGuy | Oh ok, so I was driving myself nuts for nothing.... same thing for gnups? |
| 23:14.51 | Claus__ | hi, I've tried to google for it so I could rtfm ;o) but I cant seem to find where to see some examples for how to create a different @mailhost.com per user. Does that make sence to you guys? |
| 23:15.00 | fugit | CoolGuy: When was the last time your upgraded since running unstable |
| 23:15.08 | fugit | CoolGuy: apt-get upgrade -s |
| 23:15.08 | CoolGuy | about 3 minutes ago |
| 23:15.19 | Claus__ | i'm using postfix as mta |
| 23:15.30 | fugit | CoolGuy: -s is just to test.. |
| 23:15.42 | CoolGuy | Ok, it printed out a bunch of package names |
| 23:15.45 | beto_ | abrotman: Ok.. I'm going to do that and try to solve it. After that I feedback. ok? |
| 23:15.56 | abrotman | ok .. but i'm headed home .. i'll be back later |
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| 23:16.14 | fugit | CoolGuy: You should install the bug checker for apt-get and then upgrade |
| 23:16.19 | beto_ | abrotman: no problem. Thank you for while |
| 23:16.29 | CoolGuy | fugit, where do i get that? |
| 23:16.46 | fugit | CoolGuy forgot package name I'll one sec |
| 23:17.03 | CoolGuy | fugit, thank you....debian is a lot different than mandrake |
| 23:17.07 | fugit | CoolGuyg: apt-listbugs |
| 23:17.19 | fugit | CoolGuyg: apt-get install apt-listbugs |
| 23:17.21 | thingfish | a lot. |
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| 23:17.34 | loggygreg | fugit: you run unstable ? |
| 23:17.36 | fugit | CoolGuy: hopefully you will not get an error |
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| 23:18.05 | fugit | Loggygreg: I run all 3 right now, work (workstation unstalble) laptop etch server and home stable |
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| 23:18.30 | fugit | loggygreg: servers stable of course |
| 23:18.50 | loggygreg | fugit: better knowledge than me then :-) |
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| 23:19.06 | fugit | loggygreg: depends on what I am sure |
| 23:19.13 | signz | software raid1 question: I had set up /dev/md5 to be a raid1 of /dev/sda7 + /dev/sdb7 . i was doing some tests of turning off the machine, swapping disks around, recreating second disk from a a blank one, etc, and now it hit a problem; |
| 23:19.13 | signz | /etc/init.d/mdadm-raid start |
| 23:19.13 | signz | Starting raid devices: mdadm: failed to add /dev/sda7 to /dev/md5: Invalid argument |
| 23:19.13 | signz | mdadm: /dev/md5 assembled from 0 drives - not enough to start the array. |
| 23:19.14 | signz | done. |
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| 23:20.26 | signz | and so i want to know how to get it going. i don't mind discarding the partition's data as it was empty |
| 23:20.46 | CoolGuy | Errors :/ http://channels.debian.net/paste/2022 |
| 23:21.05 | vdh | Hey Folks, I have a quick question. Does anyone know if accessing the history of a bash process can be accomplished while it's still running? e.g. extract it from memory? I need to find out which bash process ran a specific command out of a bunch of pids. |
| 23:21.35 | fugit | CoolGuy: don't worry about that |
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| 23:22.26 | jetscreamer | to answer my own question, the xchat url handlers are fuxored by default. unless you have opera installed. but it's easy to fix. |
| 23:22.40 | jetscreamer | xchat_maintainer-- |
| 23:22.48 | jetscreamer | well |
| 23:22.52 | jetscreamer | xchat_maintainer++ |
| 23:23.00 | jetscreamer | status quo |
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| 23:23.12 | pipeline | The xchat guy is a bitch, anyway |
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| 23:24.06 | loggygreg | CoolGuy: or apt-get install gnupg |
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| 23:24.19 | Roman___ | hi |
| 23:24.23 | mbishop | I would be a bitch too if I had to maintain crappy software like xchat :P |
| 23:24.25 | CoolGuy | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 23:24.25 | CoolGuy | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:24.25 | CoolGuy | E: Broken packages |
| 23:24.56 | Roman___ | any ideas what happend with mozilla mail? i used to run it: mozilla -mail but it donst' work :-S |
| 23:25.02 | fugit | CoolGuy: affraid of that |
| 23:25.26 | mbishop | Roman___: mozilla suite isn't made anymore, they changed it to seamonkey, which has mail and irc and all that |
| 23:26.17 | loggygreg | CoolGuy: have you ugraded as fugit say ? |
| 23:26.37 | CoolGuy | loggygreg, Yes, I ran "apt-get update" a little while ago |
| 23:26.38 | fugit | CoolGuy: You prolly need to upgrade really bad.. what does apt-get upgrade -s | wc say |
| 23:26.44 | nn- | mbishop: i wonder how long they are going to use that name.. |
| 23:26.48 | fugit | CoolGuy : upgrad != to update |
| 23:26.53 | loggygreg | CoolGuy: no apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 23:26.59 | fugit | CoolGuy: s/upgrad/upgrade/ |
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| 23:27.01 | CoolGuy | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:27.20 | Roman___ | mbishop, oh, it dons't seem that there is a debian package for that in testing? |
| 23:27.38 | CoolGuy | Oh, sheesh, 189mb worth of updates :P |
| 23:27.51 | fugit | CoolGuy: In order to install you need to upgrade |
| 23:28.02 | fugit | CoolGuy: this should not be taken lightly on unstable |
| 23:28.43 | fugit | CoolGuy: many a time my desktop manager no longer worked (ok 2), so I started using apt-listbug |
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| 23:29.09 | fugit | CoolGuy: just want you to know you can end up with some broken stuff, hence the name unstable :-) |
| 23:29.39 | CoolGuy | heh |
| 23:29.47 | PerfDave | I remember when I ran sid, KDE broke for a week and I had to use the console. |
| 23:30.08 | fugit | PerfDave: haha I actually started using xfce, liked it too until 3.5 came out |
| 23:30.25 | stew | PerfDave: that's pretty hardcore dedication to KDE! KDE or nothing! |
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| 23:30.46 | fugit | stew: I was thinking the same thing :-) |
| 23:30.46 | PerfDave | stew: Nah, it's hardcore dedication to getting my job done. |
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| 23:30.56 | tux_ | "Couldn't open /dev/3dfx" is this bad? |
| 23:31.03 | stew | PerfDave: well that's admirable then |
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| 23:31.25 | PerfDave | stew: It was easier just to work from the console than to try and figure out some other wm |
| 23:31.31 | freeone3000 | I don't even HAVE a /dev/3dfx |
| 23:31.34 | Claus__ | how do i tell postfix that one use has to use a different @mailhost then my other users?? |
| 23:31.38 | freeone3000 | So I guess it can't bee too bad. |
| 23:32.28 | fugit | PerfDave: xfce was nice and very lite. Gnome didn't float the boat as they say |
| 23:33.14 | PerfDave | fugit: I've tried xfce, it didn't do anything for me. Like everything else I've tried, it wasn't intuitive in the way that KDE is. |
| 23:33.31 | tux_ | Do I need to make a /dev/3dfx ? |
| 23:33.44 | fugit | PerfDave: I always seem to end of back at KDE's door step |
| 23:34.00 | fugit | PerfDave: s/of/up/ |
| 23:34.40 | Nwallins | tux: for fun you could try: ln -s /dev/random /dev/3dfx |
| 23:34.51 | fugit | Nwallins: haha |
| 23:35.20 | nn- | tux_: are you even using 3dfx hardware? |
| 23:35.28 | tux_ | no |
| 23:35.31 | nn- | ... |
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| 23:37.02 | loggygreg | what soft returns "Couldn't open /dev/3dfx" ? |
| 23:37.09 | nn- | tux_ appears to be yet another victim of a package that has been compiled with too many options |
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| 23:39.51 | vdh | Does anyone know if accessing the history of a bash process can be accomplished while it's still running? e.g. extract it from memory? I need to find out which bash process ran a specific command out of a bunch of pids. |
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| 23:42.17 | r3tex | Hi, i'm trying to configure a custom kernel for my IBM Netfinity, but when it's going to boot it panics and can't mount /dev/sda1 |
| 23:42.25 | r3tex | i have correct support for the filesystem and everything |
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| 23:42.35 | nn- | r3tex: obviously you don't ;) |
| 23:42.37 | r3tex | should the SCSI be built in, or can it be a module? |
| 23:42.49 | nn- | r3tex: of course built in |
| 23:43.15 | fugit | needs to be built in unless you are running root off another drive |
| 23:43.37 | r3tex | aha, ok |
| 23:43.41 | r3tex | i'll test that then |
| 23:43.48 | jcypher | I'm having trouble with exim4 config, sending mail via a smarthost on a nonstandard port. dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config rewrites the config files, but when I try to send mail thru it, it still tries port 25! |
| 23:43.52 | r3tex | i thought i could just use the config that came with the stock kernel |
| 23:43.56 | stew | r3tex: or you need an initrd |
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| 23:44.08 | r3tex | stew: for what? |
| 23:44.14 | stew | r3tex: to load the scsi module from |
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| 23:44.29 | r3tex | stew: ok, but i could just build the module in right? |
| 23:44.33 | stew | yes |
| 23:44.40 | r3tex | ok i'll do that ;) sounds easier |
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| 23:46.21 | r3tex | heh, also when i ssh into my server with a unicode terminal, the text is all messed up |
| 23:46.32 | r3tex | i think i have the correct locale set, what else should i do? |
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| 23:47.30 | ed_blus | How can I do to net install debian |
| 23:47.38 | ed_blus | over a pppoe connection |
| 23:47.47 | PerfDave | ed_blus: Have you read the Installation Guide? |
| 23:48.13 | ed_blus | no |
| 23:48.28 | ed_blus | which guide? |
| 23:48.33 | chealer9 | ed_blus: which release do you plan to install? |
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| 23:48.36 | streuner | !ig |
| 23:48.36 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 23:48.58 | ed_blus | testing using cdrom |
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| 23:49.16 | chealer9 | ed_blus: is this going to be your first Debian install? |
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| 23:49.42 | signz | how do I convert my existing /dev/sda7 full of nice files into a raid one mirror called /dev/md5 that then rebuilds onto /dev/sdb7 ? |
| 23:49.57 | ed_blus | yes |
| 23:50.02 | signz | would this destroy my data or do what I want? mdadm --create /dev/md5 --level=1 --raid-devices=2 /dev/sd[ab]7 |
| 23:50.21 | stew | signz: that would destroy your data |
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| 23:50.30 | signz | good thing I asked then... :) |
| 23:50.57 | signz | should i start it with the second one spare then hot add it, or what? |
| 23:51.02 | stew | signz: you can create it on /dev/sdb7 with a drive "missing" and then copy the data from /dev/sda7 to the new, degraded array, then once the data is there you can add /dev/sda7 to the array |
| 23:51.08 | signz | ok |
| 23:51.40 | chealer9 | ed_blus: you may have some fun. be aware of bug #334361. when the installer will need an Internet connection, switch to tty2, see if if pppoeconf if installed, and if it is, run it. is this your first experience with GNU/Linux? |
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| 23:51.59 | chealer9 | s/if if pppoeconf if/if pppoeconf is |
| 23:52.11 | stew | signz: if you google for: debian sata raid install , you end up on a page describing it |
| 23:52.22 | Virtual | I have connected my printer to my PC with USB cable, how do I know which USB to pick when I try to setup it from CUPS ? I have 15 ports acording to CUPS. |
| 23:52.25 | chealer9 | ed_blus: sorry I have to go |
| 23:52.36 | ed_blus | no I've just used mandrake |
| 23:52.38 | signz | stew: so essentially im making a raid array on sdb7, copying the data onto it, then by hotadding sdba7, i get my set up complete? |
| 23:53.08 | ed_blus | but I've to install the basic system for access pppoe connection |
| 23:53.11 | ed_blus | ? |
| 23:53.27 | stew | signz: yes, somehting liek mdadm --create /dev/md5 -level=1 --raid-devices=2 -n2 missing /dev/sdb7 |
| 23:53.48 | ed_blus | The problem is that I've a DSL connection |
| 23:53.48 | fugit | Virtual: check dmesg |
| 23:54.04 | ed_blus | chealer9 thanks |
| 23:54.06 | stew | signz: then later you are going to do a "mdadm /dev/md5 -a /dev/sda7" but after md5 already contains the data |
| 23:54.17 | avtobiff | Virtual, dmesg | tail and you'll see what happened |
| 23:54.18 | PerfDave | ed_blus: If this is your first Debian install, you might be better off installing the stable branch and getting used to it before you expose yourself to the buggier world of testing. |
| 23:54.20 | ojai | I'm upgrading a sarge box to testing. my sarge box has the "usbmgr" package installed and I'm installing "udev" which appears to provide the same functionality. is this right? |
| 23:54.21 | avtobiff | Virtual, or lsusb |
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| 23:55.03 | avtobiff | ojai, no it is not correct. |
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| 23:55.20 | neuterspay | Anybody know of a good way to bypass Cedega? Fake or skip authentication for TransGamer username and pass? |
| 23:55.38 | Virtual | avtobiff && fugit I did lsusb && dmesg, this is what I got from lsusb Bus 005 Device 015: ID 03f0:2004 Hewlett-Packard DeskJet 640c |
| 23:55.39 | avtobiff | ojai, usbmgr handles usb kernel modules and udev handles /dev and hotplug devices |
| 23:55.51 | ojai | avtobiff: hrm. usbmgr conflicts with hotplug and udev provides that |
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| 23:56.14 | avtobiff | ojai, then dont install usbmgr if you want to keep udev? |
| 23:56.15 | stew | neuterspay: warez is off-topic on this network |
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| 23:56.35 | avtobiff | Virtual, disconnect your printer and connect it again and do dmesg | tail |
| 23:56.52 | ojai | I'm also looking at a Kanotix install and usbmgr isn't on there but I can't believe that it's a one or another type of choice? |
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| 23:57.03 | Virtual | avtobiff: ok and I also have a hdd drive connected on USB, do you know how I can mount that? |
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| 23:57.22 | blazemonger | what'sup |
| 23:57.28 | blazemonger | anyone use Linux Multimedia Studio? |
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| 23:57.31 | blazemonger | (LMMS)? |
| 23:57.33 | ojai | so if you use udev, your usb devices most likely won't work? |
| 23:57.34 | avtobiff | Virtual, mount /dev/sda1 /mnt perhaps |
| 23:57.37 | blazemonger | it's kind of like fruity loops |
| 23:57.48 | bashman | greetings. |
| 23:58.02 | bashman | exist debian stile ttf font? |
| 23:58.05 | blazemonger | linux isn't that bad for a music workstation actually |
| 23:58.07 | bashman | a? |
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| 23:58.24 | fugit | Virtual: Good luck, time to head home... your in good hands :-) |
| 23:58.26 | wireddd | blazemonger, lmms? |
| 23:58.27 | nixie | blazemonger: if you disregard a lot of *awesome* VSTs it isnt |
| 23:58.39 | stew | ojai: the newer versions of udev replace all of the usbmgr functionality, afaik |
| 23:58.44 | avtobiff | ojai, yes they will work. udev creates device files in /dev when you plug them in (they exist only when you use them). with ordinary dev (no udev) the device files are there all the time |
| 23:58.49 | nixie | but not using VSTs is like cooking without 90% of your ingredients |
| 23:58.55 | blazemonger | i'm now learning how to configure wine |
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| 23:59.01 | blazemonger | i have vsti's |
| 23:59.08 | *** join/#debian nicknick (n=WH@195.Red-81-32-59.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 23:59.10 | wireddd | nixie, lmms supports vsts |
| 23:59.13 | blazemonger | i'm used to things like buztracker |
| 23:59.20 | nixie | and the ease of use of cubase isnt matched yet. |
| 23:59.25 | nixie | which is what matters for real music producers |
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| 23:59.31 | blazemonger | well..it's getting there |
| 23:59.33 | nicknick | hello |
| 23:59.34 | nixie | they are not techies :) |
| 23:59.46 | eeyore- | what's "vst"? |
| 23:59.46 | nixie | i know for a fact since i build a studio network |
| 23:59.46 | blazemonger | i know a few folks who still use trackers |
| 23:59.49 | bashman | eem... exist debian stile ttf font? |
