| 00:00.00 | Xedrian|afk | anybody here who speaks german ?? |
| 00:00.06 | nixie | !de |
| 00:00.07 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 00:00.12 | PerfDave | Define "real music producers" ;) |
| 00:00.16 | Xedrian | thx |
| 00:00.17 | sussudio | nein |
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| 00:00.46 | nixie | PerfDave: latest track on a Hed Kandi CD. but you have to know house music, or hed kandi wont mean a thing to you |
| 00:00.48 | PerfDave | It'd be good if there were a platform / OS-independent VST-a-like. Maybe we can use Parrot bytecode in future ;) |
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| 00:00.56 | Virtual | avtobiff: thank you for the part with the HDD, here is what dmesg showed me after I reconnected the printer: |
| 00:00.56 | nicknick | i need help please |
| 00:01.05 | Virtual | usb 5-2: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 16 |
| 00:01.06 | Virtual | drivers/usb/class/usblp.c: usblp0: USB Bidirectional printer dev 16 if 0 alt 0 proto 2 vid 0x03F0 pid 0x2004 |
| 00:01.07 | Xedrian | sussudio qry |
| 00:01.10 | PerfDave | nixie: I've heard of Hed Kandi :) |
| 00:01.13 | stew | nicknick: if you have a question, just ask it |
| 00:01.30 | stew | !es |
| 00:01.30 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:01.31 | nixie | PerfDave: if you go to hedkandi.com, its the first track in the flash. friends of mine make that |
| 00:01.41 | nixie | PerfDave: it plays when you go there |
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| 00:01.54 | sussudio | i got this PC from someone with parts i didn't even know existed. cyrix 686mx/166, linksys nc100 ethernet, trident 3dimage video... |
| 00:01.56 | PerfDave | nixie: Flash? No thanks :) |
| 00:01.59 | nixie | hehe |
| 00:02.09 | nixie | *shrug* |
| 00:02.10 | PerfDave | nixie: Anyway, I used to work for Solid State Logic ;) |
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| 00:02.14 | nixie | no shit! |
| 00:02.14 | signz | stew: all done. now how i do i confirm that what is currently operating is what I have in mdadm.conf; i.e. when I reboot that the it all comes up as it is now :) (or do mdadm commands automatically update mdadm.conf to ensure of this?) [i'm using etch btw] |
| 00:02.24 | nixie | what'd you do? |
| 00:02.28 | spanissh | debhelper please where are you? |
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| 00:02.50 | PerfDave | nixie: Sysadmin mostly, introduce the concept of Linux to people, smoke my bodyweight in Marlboros :) |
| 00:02.53 | spanissh | nixie |
| 00:02.53 | stew | signz: honestly i'm not sure, i'm no longer running software raid anywhere |
| 00:02.56 | thingfish | spanissh: what do you want debhelper for? |
| 00:03.00 | signz | ok |
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| 00:03.04 | nixie | lol |
| 00:03.06 | avtobiff | Virtual, dont you have it there? "using adress 16" i have not actually installed any usb printer. and i really have to go to sleep now. |
| 00:03.07 | spanissh | i need help |
| 00:03.09 | spanissh | please |
| 00:03.16 | nixie | well SSL sure is a cool place to work |
| 00:03.22 | thingfish | spanissh: you maybe are referring to dpkg. |
| 00:03.33 | spanissh | i want to connect with a network of this x-chat in spanish |
| 00:03.38 | thingfish | spanissh: would you prefer Debian help in Spanish? |
| 00:03.41 | nixie | i want a C200 |
| 00:03.43 | nixie | :) |
| 00:03.54 | Virtual | avtobiff: ok thank you for your help. |
| 00:03.57 | PerfDave | nixie: Well, I did get to stand outside the demo rooms and drool over teh XL9000Js. They're even sexy when they're not being used. |
| 00:04.06 | blazemonger | you know people who have put out commercial releases using software like rosegarden? |
| 00:04.08 | spanissh | i was connect in Debian network |
| 00:04.10 | thingfish | spanissh: do this in your chat client window: /join #debian-es |
| 00:04.11 | blazemonger | or LMMS |
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| 00:04.19 | nixie | yea well analog is of the past. in house it is, anyway |
| 00:04.21 | spanissh | ok |
| 00:04.28 | thingfish | spanissh: ai hablan espanol. ;) |
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| 00:04.43 | spanissh | i will write this, /join #debian-es |
| 00:04.45 | spanissh | ok |
| 00:04.45 | thingfish | (or is it alli?) |
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| 00:05.00 | spanissh | thank you very much |
| 00:05.08 | spanissh | tanks for alls |
| 00:05.09 | thingfish | my pleasure. |
| 00:05.14 | spanissh | :D) |
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| 00:06.29 | nn- | btw.. is it bad for my LCD if I turn it on/off all the time or is that a CRT specific problem? |
| 00:06.52 | thingfish | nn-: that doesn't bother LCD's at all. |
| 00:07.00 | nixie | PerfDave: but we are hardly using the mixtable right now. its got ADAT but right now all mixing is software |
| 00:07.05 | nn- | thingfish: good to hear that |
| 00:07.12 | thingfish | and it doesn't even bother that many CRT's anymore, either. |
| 00:07.22 | ojai | stew and avtobiff: thanks! |
| 00:07.26 | blazemonger | is there anything simiolar to virtual dj in linux? |
| 00:07.27 | thingfish | I mean, they build things to be used by idiot humans. |
| 00:07.31 | nixie | so i doubt we really need a big table for anything except bragging righs |
| 00:07.39 | nixie | s/hs/hts/ |
| 00:07.42 | thingfish | chimpanzees, even. |
| 00:07.47 | PerfDave | nixie: Bragging rights is 99% of audio production :) |
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| 00:07.56 | nixie | hehehe |
| 00:07.59 | PerfDave | blazemonger: You may want to look at the Demudi project to see what software they use. |
| 00:08.32 | nn- | thingfish: i bet > 90% of all CRTs die right after someone hits the power switch |
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| 00:09.33 | thingfish | nn-: well, funny, but to tell you the truth - every time I totally power down my NEC MultiSync 950+, I have to degauss it with my coil. |
| 00:09.44 | thingfish | it's kind of pitiful. |
| 00:09.52 | CoolGuy | Broken packages for KDE :( |
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| 00:09.55 | thingfish | but it sure has a great picture otherwise! |
| 00:10.05 | nixie | well we have some oldskool and recent equipment which looks cool. but 90% of the hardware job midi input, turning on and off the table and changing master output. rest is all clicking and typing |
| 00:10.11 | loggygreg | CoolGuy: bad news |
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| 00:10.19 | thingfish | CoolGuy: so switch to gnome! :) |
| 00:10.24 | CoolGuy | loggygreg, How long do they usually take to fix? |
| 00:10.29 | phogg | CoolGuy: what else s new? |
| 00:10.33 | CoolGuy | apt-get install gnome? |
| 00:10.44 | loggygreg | CoolGuy: don't know i use testing |
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| 00:11.04 | PerfDave | CoolGuy: Save yourself, read the BTS :) |
| 00:11.09 | phogg | CoolGuy: It really depends. Mostly never in sid |
| 00:11.16 | thingfish | apt-get install gnome would just about do it, yes, CoolGuy. |
| 00:11.28 | PerfDave | CoolGuy: KDE packages normally have workarounds posted to the BTS quickly. |
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| 00:11.39 | PerfDave | CoolGuy: Probably worth asking on #debian-kde though, anything to save yourself from Gnome ;) |
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| 00:11.46 | thingfish | CoolGuy: even better would be aptitude install -r gnome |
| 00:11.55 | thingfish | if you wanna get PHAT |
| 00:11.59 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:12.48 | blazemonger | damn theres alot of audio software for linux i didnt even know about |
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| 00:12.52 | phogg | PerfDave: you are not alone |
| 00:12.54 | blazemonger | i'm kind of glad i switched to linux from BSD |
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| 00:13.03 | thingfish | oh PerfDave, you had to go looking for that one, come on. |
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| 00:13.11 | PerfDave | thingfish: I don't use aptitude! |
| 00:13.29 | stew | blazemonger: have you looked at linux-sound.org ? |
| 00:13.51 | phogg | PerfDave: what's wrong with it? Other than the fact that it spews too much unsuppressable output |
| 00:14.10 | blazemonger | yup im there right now |
| 00:14.28 | PerfDave | phogg: *shrug* apt-get works fine for me, I've never felt a need to change. All I hear about aptitude is people cursing it when it goes and does something "intelligent" and breaks stuff. |
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| 00:14.37 | blazemonger | the only thing i need to learn now is how to make .deb packages hehehee |
| 00:14.49 | stew | blazemonger: /msg dpkg mg |
| 00:14.52 | phogg | blazemonger: good luck |
| 00:15.18 | stew | PerfDave: i agree, however, i someday need to get wise to the more advanced command line searching features that aptitude can do |
| 00:15.30 | PerfDave | apt-file? |
| 00:15.39 | phogg | stew: Eh? I still apt-cache search. What do you mean? |
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| 00:15.48 | stew | hang on i'll get an example |
| 00:16.21 | thingfish | PerfDave: you know, I don't blame you, because there was a time when I wouldn't either. But then I built my system from the base install using it alone, and it seems to work this way. |
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| 00:16.47 | phogg | I have mail |
| 00:17.04 | stew | PerfDave: phogg: for example, aptitude search '~D(perl|python)' <- search for packages that depend on a package that contain "perl|python" |
| 00:17.06 | thingfish | I think the trick must be that you have to use it consistently, not switching to apt-get randomly. |
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| 00:17.17 | PerfDave | thingfish: I'm very much of the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" school |
| 00:17.25 | nixie | !beer PerfDave |
| 00:17.33 | stew | PerfDave: phogg: however all that can probably be done with grep-dctrl as well |
| 00:17.38 | phogg | PerfDave: sooner or later apt-get wont cut it. |
| 00:17.48 | PerfDave | stew: I don't think I've ever needed to perform a search like that. |
| 00:17.51 | nixie | that'll be a good day for man aptitude |
| 00:17.57 | PerfDave | phogg: Maybe, and when that's the case I'll switch ;) |
| 00:18.21 | phogg | PerfDave: my philosophy is to learn it ahead pf time so I know what's coming |
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| 00:18.32 | thingfish | PerfDave: I'm that way 95% of the time. |
| 00:18.34 | blazemonger | i use synaptic |
| 00:18.42 | blazemonger | for now at least |
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| 00:18.46 | thingfish | synaptic is very nice. |
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| 00:19.02 | thingfish | it's quite lovely for those who prefer guis. |
| 00:19.04 | PerfDave | phogg: I do that for some things, mostly less important ones. |
| 00:19.07 | PerfDave | I like kpackage. |
| 00:19.12 | blazemonger | if freebsd had something like synaptic and ifi t had alsa i would have never switched to debian linux |
| 00:19.19 | phogg | PerfDave: what is kpackage good for? |
| 00:19.21 | thingfish | well, not "guis", that's not a word, but maybe gui-fied things. |
| 00:19.32 | PerfDave | phogg: Installing packages on those rare occasions that I need a GUI :) |
| 00:20.01 | PerfDave | Like teaching my girlfriend how to admin her Debian box ;) |
| 00:20.04 | bazz | anyone know an app that will let me dial into my voicemail, enter some numbers, and then play back a sound file? i'd rather not have to plug in a modem and do it over the internet. basically i want to make my voicemail greeting a pre-recorded sound file. |
| 00:20.06 | phogg | thingfish: for those who freak if they can't click it, synaptic is a godsend... but I wouldn't want my sister to marry one. |
| 00:20.16 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 00:20.47 | Nwallins | i found aptitude much more confusing than apt-get |
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| 00:21.27 | PerfDave | !afo |
| 00:21.27 | dpkg | antgel for ops! |
| 00:21.30 | PerfDave | Damnation! |
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| 00:21.47 | phogg | $&*($# damn stupid.... |
| 00:22.02 | thingfish | Nwallins: I kind of did too - but just limit yourself to the simpler command line 'aptitude install foo' mode. |
| 00:22.16 | phogg | Is there a reliable way to check if a filesystem is mounted that *doesn't* risk hanging when the mount is stale/broken? |
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| 00:22.59 | gutano | phogg: hrrrm....unsure about locking, but df |
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| 00:23.22 | phogg | gutano: df will hang indefinitely in this scenario |
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| 00:23.29 | nn-_ | gutano: he's right |
| 00:23.31 | loggygreg | phogg: and mtab ? |
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| 00:23.43 | phogg | gutano: I can always tell if the system *thinks* it's mounted via mount/mtab, but not if it will be usable. |
| 00:23.49 | abrotman | PerfDave: rfo also exists |
| 00:23.53 | PerfDave | :rfo |
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| 00:23.57 | PerfDave | !rfo |
| 00:23.57 | dpkg | Ungy for ops! |
| 00:24.15 | nn-_ | phogg: /etc/mtab |
| 00:24.30 | CoolGuy | Ok, I did aptitude install -r gnome |
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| 00:24.40 | CoolGuy | But it didn't create a gnome-session |
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| 00:25.09 | phogg | nn-_: mtab will list the mount, but that does't mean it will work. |
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| 00:25.33 | gutano | phogg: if your situation can stand for it, you could just unmount remount |
| 00:25.43 | thingfish | CoolGuy: check and see if you have gdm. |
| 00:25.47 | cam | hi, i have something weird on my debian ... when I open a bash shell, type : "ls -al" it lists everything in alphabetical order (including dot files & others) . I've always been used to see : First "files beginning with a ." Second "the other files" ... any idea why ? |
| 00:25.56 | phogg | gutano: I do that. My script umounts/remounts before attempting access, but that has its own set of problems. |
| 00:26.06 | CoolGuy | No |
| 00:26.19 | thingfish | CoolGuy: well so much for my recommending aptitude. apt-get install gdm. |
| 00:26.22 | cam | by files ... i mean files, folder etc.. |
| 00:26.34 | thingfish | bastard aptitude p.o.s. |
| 00:26.39 | Daedalus_ | cam:new version of ls perhaps? |
| 00:27.04 | abrotman | cam: -a would imply . files |
| 00:27.29 | phogg | cam: files beginning with . are alphabetically first. |
| 00:27.30 | abrotman | cam: if it makes you feel better .. so does mine |
| 00:27.37 | abrotman | phogg: mine does it too |
| 00:27.44 | cam | i'm using ls (coreutils) 5.2.1 |
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| 00:28.04 | Daedalus_ | cam: I'm using the same version and seeing the same thing |
| 00:28.32 | abrotman | cam: is this a problem ? |
| 00:28.33 | cam | that's really werid because the output of ls -al on 2 testing debian and running the same version of ls does not give the same output , i mean by output the "sorting files" |
| 00:28.38 | phogg | I've got 5.2.1 installed and see dotfiles first, then others. As normal. |
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| 00:28.53 | abrotman | maybe terminal dependant? |
| 00:29.11 | cam | phogg, yeah ... I've alwats got that kind of output ... but now it's different ... i wonder where it comes from |
| 00:29.22 | phogg | cam: compart your $SHELLOPTS |
| 00:29.27 | phogg | compare, even |
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| 00:29.58 | signz | can someone tell me what the number in sqaure brackets means in /proc/mdstat: Am wondering why sda is "2", not "0", like my other arrays using sda/sdb: md5 : active raid1 sda7[2] sdb7[1] |
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| 00:30.24 | signz | Is it to do with the "source" and "destination" heirachy of the array? |
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| 00:30.32 | signz | (software raid one) |
| 00:30.36 | Vegar | Anyone know where I can find a backport for ulogd-pcap 1.23 if backports.org doesn't have it? |
| 00:30.47 | abrotman | apt-get.org |
| 00:30.54 | abrotman | !tell Vegar about backports |
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| 00:31.14 | Vegar | I'll check it out |
| 00:31.16 | Vegar | thanks |
| 00:31.35 | cam | phogg, on the shell giving dot files, then others ... i have : braceexpand:emacs:hashall:histexpand:history:interactive-comments:monitor ; on the other one (both dot files and others mixed) i have : braceexpand:emacs:hashall:histexpand:interactive-comments:monitor ... what's yours? |
| 00:31.43 | phogg | in the middle of an apt-get upgrade apt switched from showing me a text menu when it encountered a modified config file to showing a dialog. Without sking if I'd like to switch. |
| 00:32.14 | Daedalus_ | cam: mine are similar |
| 00:32.25 | abrotman | Daedalus_: to which one? |
| 00:32.34 | abrotman | cam: i have the first in mine |
| 00:32.40 | phogg | cam: braceexpand:emacs:hashall:histexpand:history:interactive-comments:monitor |
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| 00:32.50 | Daedalus_ | abrotman: the first. sorry |
| 00:32.51 | phogg | cam: identical to your first one |
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| 00:33.05 | cam | hmm ok |
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| 00:33.21 | phogg | cam: I don't think the hsitory option is to blame |
| 00:33.33 | phogg | it was worth a shot |
| 00:33.37 | cam | I really wonder where it comes from |
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| 00:34.01 | cam | when trying to set SHELLOPTS .. i got a REAd only var error |
| 00:34.14 | nixie | amarok is coool |
| 00:34.18 | abrotman | cam: you're running etch ? |
| 00:34.44 | phogg | cam: man bash |
| 00:34.54 | abrotman | wtf is SHLVL ? |
| 00:34.57 | phogg | cam: By which I mean: SHELLOPTS is read only. |
| 00:35.13 | cam | i'm running testing |
| 00:35.16 | abrotman | phogg: cam: what version of bash ? |
| 00:35.21 | phogg | abrotman: how many subshells deep we are would be my guess |
| 00:35.34 | cam | GNU bash, version 3.1.5(1)-release (i486-pc-linux-gnu) |
| 00:35.35 | phogg | abrotman: 3.1.11 for me |
| 00:35.38 | abrotman | phogg: when i open xterm .. i get it |
| 00:35.54 | abrotman | cam: mine matches yours .. phogg must be on sid |
| 00:36.03 | cam | yeah i think so |
| 00:36.13 | loggygreg | cam: try #bash |
| 00:36.14 | abrotman | or phogg is a dirty ubuntu user! |
| 00:36.15 | phogg | I admit it, I like to dance with the traffic |
| 00:36.21 | phogg | abrotman: never that! |
| 00:36.26 | abrotman | phogg: prove it! |
| 00:36.47 | phogg | abrotman: erm. How do I do that? You can't have shell access and I can fake anything else. |
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| 00:37.22 | abrotman | phogg: that's it .. off to #ubuntu with you! |
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| 00:37.26 | phogg | cron is such a bully |
| 00:37.26 | cam | loggygreg, u think it's a bash issue ? |
| 00:37.38 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:37.40 | phogg | cam: try ls from csh or ash |
| 00:37.43 | Vegar | apt-get.org didn't have it either |
| 00:37.54 | naphex | How is libfile-scan-perl (Perl lib to scan files for viruses) supposed to be updated in sarge? Would there be a security update for each new release of the module? |
| 00:37.57 | loggygreg | cam: probably, no ? |
| 00:37.59 | phogg | cam: or whatever shell you have installed. |
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| 00:38.06 | abrotman | !info ulogd-pcap sid |
| 00:38.11 | cam | got the same output within csh |
| 00:38.14 | stoned | how does one get the mplayer marillat respository gpg key |
| 00:38.19 | abrotman | naphex: presumably |
| 00:38.20 | Nwallins | apt-get install command.com |
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| 00:38.27 | abrotman | !tell stoned about marillat key |
| 00:38.33 | loggygreg | cam: sorry this is 'ls' |
| 00:38.34 | stoned | thanks |
| 00:38.49 | phogg | cam: alias | grep ls # see if it's an ls option |
| 00:38.52 | Daedalus_ | loggygreg: it's an ls thing. I get the same output under sh |
| 00:38.57 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i think dpkg stopped answering to !info requests again .. or he's really lagging |
| 00:39.03 | stew | naphex: if its like other virus scanners, it will have the ability to update its signature files outside of the package management system. if it actually requires the package to be updated it should be considered for volatile, /msg dpkg volatile |
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| 00:39.21 | dooglus | cam: isn't this sorting order difference to do with your locale? |
| 00:39.23 | phogg | wait, aliases are shell dependant. Nevermind. |
| 00:39.24 | cam | phogg, nothing listed ; no ls option |
| 00:39.29 | abrotman | Vegar: try the simple sid backport thing |
| 00:39.35 | dooglus | cam: env | grep LC |
| 00:39.36 | abrotman | phogg: it's not that .. |
| 00:39.49 | Vegar | abrotman: ok |
| 00:39.54 | abrotman | is anyone else running testing/etch ? |
| 00:40.06 | phogg | or just type 'locale' |
| 00:40.07 | stew | !tell abrotman about polls |
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| 00:40.21 | goat25 | i'm running sarge |
| 00:40.34 | cam | dooglus, ahh I have a shell with C and the other : en_US |
| 00:40.39 | Daedalus_ | abrotman: I'm running etch |
| 00:40.40 | PerfDave | abrotman: No, not even the people who run it |
| 00:40.42 | abrotman | stew: i'm trying to help debug something .. wanker! |
| 00:40.44 | cam | the weird ouput is from the en_US |
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| 00:40.57 | Agrajag- | abrotman: yeah |
| 00:40.57 | cam | got it |
| 00:41.02 | naphex | stew: actually aegis-virus-scanner is trying to update this library by itself, but it seems to fail since at each new run it claims a newer version is available... |
| 00:41.03 | cam | the pblm came from LANG var |
| 00:41.07 | dooglus | cam: that's it then. C sorts dotfiles first, en_US mixes them up |
| 00:41.08 | phogg | cam: My LC_ALL is C. |
| 00:41.18 | Daedalus_ | oh fun |
| 00:41.19 | abrotman | Daedalus_: but yours sorts correctly? |
| 00:41.26 | Daedalus_ | abrotman: ah, no |
| 00:41.26 | blazemonger | is there library for QT 1.3? |
| 00:41.37 | cam | dpkg-reconfigure locales to change the default , right ? |
| 00:41.38 | phogg | cam: so having lang set to english changes ls sorting order? |
| 00:41.40 | abrotman | cam: what lang ? |
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| 00:41.48 | stew | naphex: check teh bts /msg dpkg bts |
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| 00:41.53 | abrotman | phogg: mine is set to LANGUAGE=en_US:en_GB:en |
| 00:42.11 | cire | I try to get SATA (i915) to get work with 2.6.15. But when booting, I always get a kernel panic because of sth like cannot find Block (0,0)... I looked at bugs.debian.org, but there was no bug reported causing this. I enabled the SCSI subsystem and so on. (in fact, for testing purpose, I just used default settings). |
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| 00:42.18 | cam | phogg, yes.. LC=en_US mixes files ; LC=C sorts first dot files and after others |
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| 00:42.24 | naphex | stew: no bug is reported (one archived, without connection) for aegis-virus-scanner |
| 00:42.26 | abrotman | oh . LC |
| 00:42.35 | intero | hi |
| 00:42.49 | intero | i have a weird problem: http://rafb.net/paste/results/awGrJf10.html . any idea? |
| 00:42.53 | stew | naphex: but the aegis-virus-scanner package is trying to overwrite a file that is owned by another package? |
| 00:42.57 | phogg | abrotman: I don't have a LANGUAGE. Is it different from LANG? |
| 00:43.03 | stew | naphex: or did i misunderstand something? |
| 00:43.08 | abrotman | LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 00:43.12 | abrotman | erm . there we go :) |
| 00:43.37 | phogg | abrotman: setting UTF8 screws up my meta key in xterms. |
| 00:43.39 | abrotman | intero: and? |
| 00:43.54 | intero | abrotman: it's not redirecting to b.txt |
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| 00:44.14 | stew | phogg: put XTerm*eightBitControl: False \n XTerm*eightBitInput: false ; into .Xresources |
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| 00:44.37 | naphex | stew: I don't know what happens exactly: aegis-virus-scanner proposes to update the File::scan module. No obvious error at that point, but when I restart aegis, the whole procedure restarts, claiming a newer version is avilable. |
| 00:44.41 | phogg | stew: whoa, you mean there's actually a fix? |
| 00:44.51 | stew | phogg: yes |
| 00:44.52 | abrotman | intero: maybe redirect stdout and stderr ? |
| 00:45.02 | stew | naphex: file a bug then /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 00:45.05 | dooglus | cam: there's something called LC_COLLATE which determines how things are sorted. |
| 00:45.10 | intero | abrotman: tried, but it didn't help :( |
| 00:45.27 | naphex | stew: ok, I'll try to do that correctly. Thanks. |
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| 00:46.00 | abrotman | intero: empty both files .. then do the first line .. then cat a.txt .. then do the second and cat a.txt and b.txt |
| 00:46.23 | zaikxtox | hello. is there some way to tell apt about several MIRRORS so it can download differen files from them at the same time? |
| 00:46.34 | eqrrrr4vv | How do I move the contents of a folder to their parent folder? I try mv but it told me they are the same file ; ( |
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| 00:47.08 | stew | zaikxtox: no, but you shouldn't have a problem finding a single mirror that can saturate your pipe |
| 00:47.17 | PerfDave | eqrrrr4vv: mv * .. |
| 00:47.36 | cam | dooglus, yeah i'am manning bash |
| 00:47.38 | zaikxtox | stew: what a mess. here in argentina, near high speed mirrors are not available |
| 00:48.02 | phogg | stew: You sir are a genius. I owe you one. |
| 00:48.03 | blazemonger | i have a app that requires the KDE 1.x libraries..and can't find them on the kde site |
| 00:48.17 | intero | abrotman: http://rafb.net/paste/results/eC9zS472.html |
| 00:48.20 | abrotman | what kind of crappy application is that |
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| 00:48.39 | zaikxtox | well, i go now then |
| 00:48.39 | dooglus | cam: this isn't really a bash issue... this is "ls" using the value of LC_COLLATE & friends. |
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| 00:49.11 | intero | abrotman: does it matter? i outputs fine (see line 2) |
| 00:49.13 | abrotman | intero: maybe hte app is gobbling up the rest of the line ? |
| 00:49.20 | blazemonger | it's a drum machine package |
| 00:49.28 | abrotman | intero: though .. then it would output on the line .. very odd |
| 00:49.33 | intero | abrotman: sorry, what does gobbling mean? |
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| 00:49.36 | abrotman | blazemonger: and you can't find any others? |
| 00:49.37 | stew | blazemonger: try hydrogen |
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| 00:49.40 | abrotman | intero: eating :) |
| 00:49.43 | intero | ah :P |
| 00:49.56 | blazemonger | im doing a review of lilnux audio software for a 'zine |
| 00:50.14 | cam | dooglus, indeed , I added a line in /Etc/profile (export LANG=C) |
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| 00:50.25 | abrotman | blazemonger: don't you think you should use ones that work? :) |
| 00:50.31 | yel | hello everyone! |
| 00:50.33 | PerfDave | blazemonger: Can you compile it against more recent versions of KDE? |
| 00:50.34 | stew | blazemonger: after you compose a drum program hydrogen, rosegarden4 will import the hydrogen file directly even |
| 00:50.40 | phogg | blazemonger: any software using kde 1.x libs is dead and unmaintained. Don't bother with it. |
| 00:50.53 | intero | abrotman: bah, anyway thanks and goodnight |
| 00:50.58 | abrotman | blazemonger: http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/08/04/2014227&tid=75 |
| 00:51.05 | abrotman | intero: erm .. ok .. maybe query in #bash ? |
| 00:51.17 | eqrrrr4vv | PerfDave, that worked, thank you : ) |
| 00:51.17 | yel | is there a way to find out if my actual kernel does have 3c590/3c900 series cards support ? |
| 00:51.24 | blazemonger | it wont compile against the recent one |
| 00:51.26 | abrotman | look in the config |
| 00:51.31 | intero | abrotman: sure, but the only one sleeping couold not guess :) thanks though |
| 00:51.34 | abrotman | blazemonger: then it's not very useful |
| 00:51.45 | abrotman | intero: sleeping people guess? |
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| 00:51.53 | blazemonger | phogg:so dont waste my time? i've thought about using a rpm and converting it to source |
| 00:51.58 | intero | abrotman: hope so :) will check tomorrow :) |
| 00:52.06 | abrotman | intero: sorry |
| 00:52.19 | abrotman | blazemonger: if it won't work on sarge . it's probably not worth it |
| 00:52.21 | intero | abrotman: no worries :) take cre |
| 00:52.23 | intero | care |
| 00:52.27 | abrotman | later |
| 00:52.28 | stew | yel: grep VORTEX /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 00:52.36 | evilbulgarian | hi, how can output the first 10 K of a file ? |
| 00:52.37 | ||ugh | Question: anyone here know about the kernel doing the automatic remount of a file system on errors? |
| 00:52.43 | abrotman | evilbulgarian: man head |
| 00:52.54 | yel | stew, thanks! |
| 00:52.57 | nekostar | eh |
| 00:52.57 | stew | yel: or /sbin/modprobe -l | grep 3c59x |
| 00:53.02 | nekostar | i think my router is taking a crap |
| 00:53.13 | nekostar | when i reset it my dcc sends are 150KB/s |
| 00:53.14 | nekostar | er |
| 00:53.16 | shan | hi all, how can I display video data in the memory to the monitor directly, if I have a video device called /dev/video0, how can I deliver the data to my video card?? |
| 00:53.19 | nekostar | before i reset it they are that |
| 00:53.29 | nekostar | after i reset it they are full 600KB/s |
| 00:53.36 | nekostar | but when i ftp i still get full speed |
| 00:53.41 | nekostar | any clues as to what might be going on? |
| 00:53.46 | wireddd | nekostar, is it a linux router? |
| 00:53.50 | nekostar | no |
| 00:53.52 | stew | shan: /dev/video0 is usually a capture device, not an output |
| 00:53.54 | phogg | ||ugh: mount -o errors=remount-ro # you mean this? |
| 00:53.54 | nekostar | my os is linux |
| 00:53.55 | abrotman | shan: probably a better question for a channel related to X |
| 00:53.55 | evilbulgarian | abrotman: only see option for number lines |
| 00:54.00 | nekostar | and ive never had this problem before |
| 00:54.04 | nekostar | using linksys |
| 00:54.08 | abrotman | evilbulgarian: and you want the first 10000 .. that'd be a good option eh ? |
| 00:54.16 | nekostar | this developed sometime in the last week... |
| 00:54.20 | wireddd | nekostar, pull the power cable out of your router and plug it back in |
| 00:54.23 | dooglus | intero: do you have the source code for your iemma program? |
| 00:54.30 | nekostar | is there a way to update the firmware from linux? |
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| 00:54.39 | ||ugh | phogg, yea. Like is it documented anywhere? It keeps happening to me (every blue moon) and it really is a mess. |
| 00:54.41 | dooglus | intero: it looks like the program is only outputting that line if stdout is a terminal |
| 00:54.57 | intero | dooglus: yes. it's a regular printf() |
| 00:55.05 | dooglus | intero: it's possible for the program to detect that its output is being redirected, and to decide not to print anything in that case |
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| 00:55.16 | dooglus | intero: that's very odd then. |
| 00:55.22 | abrotman | intero: how many lines is your program? |
| 00:55.27 | shan | stew: thanks, I get the captured data in /dev/video0, can I display it on the monitor? Do I need something like framebuffer? |
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| 00:55.58 | intero | abrotman: about 300 i guess |
| 00:56.04 | dooglus | intero: you don't call "isatty()" at all? |
| 00:56.06 | stew | shan: i think, but in general, i'd recommend just using mplayer /path/to/captured/file |
| 00:56.06 | abrotman | intero: what does it actually do? |
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| 00:56.31 | intero | dooglus: nope, just math stuff |
| 00:56.39 | intero | abrotman: math stuff, about sound pressure |
| 00:56.53 | abrotman | oh |
| 00:56.55 | dooglus | intero: can we have a look? |
| 00:57.05 | mrec | does anyone here have a terratec cinergy T2 usb device? |
| 00:57.31 | wireddd | !anyone |
| 00:57.31 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 00:57.39 | blazemonger | btw thanks for the link |
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| 00:58.05 | intero | dooglus: i you want :) hold a min |
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| 00:58.34 | dooglus | intero: it's not that I don't believe you, but I've run out of other ideas... |
| 00:58.51 | abrotman | dooglus: you had one? :) |
| 00:59.03 | dooglus | :) |
| 00:59.22 | curt | grab a 12 pack you'll figure it out! |
| 00:59.23 | dooglus | I'm actually a dirty ubuntu user, looking to migrate |
| 00:59.25 | shan | stew: well. actually I don;t want to use a thrid party program, I want to do it by operating memory, but i am not sure it;s feasible |
| 00:59.29 | abrotman | !d-i dooglus |
| 00:59.29 | dpkg | dooglus, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 01:00.28 | stew | shan: what kind of card is /dev/video0? |
| 01:00.53 | phogg | ||ugh: check your kern.log and messages. If it's doing it there's a good reason (like actul errors in the FS). |
| 01:01.00 | dooglus | abrotman: I was considering using the debootstrap command from my ubuntu partition to install debian. would that be a bad idea? |
| 01:01.07 | stew | shan: its likely a mpeg2 capture device. that means that you would need a framebuffer device that was doing mpeg2 decoding in hardware |
| 01:01.55 | abrotman | dooglus: i don't see why it wouldn't |
| 01:01.56 | ||ugh | phogg, I would expect so, but have not found any such messages (even the normal disk error messages). It's why I asked here, it seems half baked. |
| 01:02.33 | dooglus | abrotman: ok. it was when you told dpkg to tell me about using the sarge installer that I thought it might be a bad idea. |
| 01:02.39 | intero | dooglus: be warned, it sucks! http://rafb.net/paste/results/RTCwfu87.html check line 113 |
| 01:02.47 | phogg | ||ugh: weird |
| 01:03.30 | ojai | Ok, I just compiled a new 2.6.15.6 kernel image on sarge with everything still modularised but when it boots, it kernel panics saying "cannot open dev/console: No such file". google searches show a thread where someone says that it's because /dev/console doesn't exist but I've mounted the initrd file and it's defintely there. what am I missing? |
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| 01:04.39 | abrotman | dooglus: no .. but you could also help test the etch installer :) |
| 01:04.55 | abrotman | !devconsole |
| 01:04.56 | dpkg | from memory, devconsole is http://zgp.org/pipermail/linux-elitists/2005-October/011299.html |
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| 01:05.43 | shan | stew: /dev/video0 is the device descriptor of v4l2, H.263 is used currently and I have a decoder at the receiver side, actually a graphic card is a framebuffer device, isn't it?? |
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| 01:06.38 | dooglus | abrotman: I can't see why that wouldn't print to stdout when you redirect the output. |
| 01:06.53 | aarkerio | hi! what filesystem let me recover a deleted file? |
| 01:06.57 | dooglus | abrotman: (but I can't compile it, 'cos I'm missing a couple of headers and the library) |
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| 01:07.08 | dooglus | aarkerio: vfat? |
| 01:07.19 | abrotman | dooglus: i'm still browsing |
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| 01:07.35 | abrotman | intero: what happens if you call print_matrix ? |
| 01:07.52 | aarkerio | I mean, on Linux |
| 01:08.03 | abrotman | ext2 .. kind of |
| 01:08.06 | abrotman | !undelete |
| 01:08.06 | dpkg | it has been said that undelete is great with Midnight Commander (mc). Just unmount the fs and select "Undelete files" in mc, or doesn't work for journalled filesystems; that's the point of journalling, after all |
| 01:08.40 | phogg | intero: where do you get /usr/bin/time ? |
| 01:08.42 | Stevie | I thought that the point of journaling was that if the system crashed, your fs metadata wouldn't be corrupted |
| 01:08.54 | bkudria | what is the "correct" way to use multimedia keyboards? i currently use lineak, but i want to be able to assign the key through kde's shortcut dialog... |
| 01:08.56 | Stevie | is that wrong? |
| 01:09.06 | intero | phogg: apt-get install time |
| 01:09.15 | abrotman | ask #debian-kde .. you should be able to map it in some applet |
| 01:09.26 | abrotman | /msg dpkg tell phogg about search |
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| 01:09.43 | phogg | intero: I presume it's better tan bash's builtin time? |
| 01:09.46 | bkudria | abrotman, i didn't think a kde util would be the "correct" way, but ok... |
| 01:10.01 | abrotman | bkudria: there are other ways |
| 01:10.03 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 01:10.03 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
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| 01:10.16 | phogg | abrotman: I don't have apt-file at the moment |
| 01:10.21 | dooglus | aarkerio: this might do what you want: http://wayback.sourceforge.net/ |
| 01:10.28 | abrotman | phogg: use the bot .. if he'll answer .. grrr |
| 01:10.40 | abrotman | isn't there like .. libtrashcan or something? |
| 01:10.42 | phogg | abrotman: pah. the bots looked tired |
| 01:10.49 | phogg | libtrash |
| 01:10.50 | abrotman | or dead |
| 01:11.13 | bkudria | abrotman, aha, thanks...that was what i was looking for |
| 01:11.25 | intero | abrotman: forgive me, i better try that tomorrow, i am falling asleep :( |
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| 01:11.49 | abrotman | intero: oh come on .. it's just a moment! |
| 01:11.50 | unstable | What is the easiest way to get my latop to turn off and on, and when it turns off save all my windows open and settings, then when I turn it on everything pops up as was. |
| 01:12.02 | abrotman | suspec |
| 01:12.04 | abrotman | susped |
| 01:12.07 | abrotman | oh ffs .. |
| 01:12.08 | Stevie | suspend? |
| 01:12.10 | Stevie | ;) |
| 01:12.17 | unstable | Does suspend use apm? |
| 01:12.26 | abrotman | probably apm or acpi |
| 01:12.30 | abrotman | !suspend2 |
| 01:12.30 | dpkg | i heard suspend2 is known as Software Suspend 2 and lets you suspend your Notebook to diskrum within half a minute. (and come back) it is found at suspend2.net) Thanks Nigel for making it such a good working peace :-) |
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| 01:13.12 | AI_coder | Why is wine automatically starting when I do not execute it? |
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| 01:13.29 | abrotman | that's a little vague |
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| 01:13.46 | AI_coder | And what can I do to prevent spyware/viruses that are apparently using my computer by starting wineserver? |
| 01:13.54 | phogg | This is fun... mail(1) segfaults when trying to open messages from cron. |
| 01:13.57 | abrotman | mmm .. troll |
| 01:14.00 | bazz | is there a way to play a soundfile 'into' the mic input? i have an app that reads from my mic, but i'd like it to receive the contents of a sound file, can i do that? |
| 01:14.04 | Stevie | phogg: strace :D |
| 01:14.22 | abrotman | bazz: you mean .. record something from your speakers roughly? |
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| 01:14.35 | intero | abrotman: same issue, it does not print it |
| 01:14.40 | unstable | abrotman: http://wiki.suspend2.net/DistroAndHardwareSetup/ |
| 01:14.45 | abrotman | intero: hrm .. that's bizarre indeed |
| 01:14.46 | AI_coder | Does anyone know how wine starts automatically? |
| 01:14.48 | abrotman | unstable: and? |
| 01:14.49 | unstable | All of the debian guides are a few years old. |
| 01:14.50 | bazz | abrotman: roughly yes |
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| 01:14.58 | abrotman | bazz: there's a pckage .. gotta find it .. moment |
| 01:15.04 | bazz | abrotman: thanks |
| 01:15.07 | AI_coder | I checked all my cron files there is nothing in them. |
| 01:15.11 | intero | abrotman: yup! |
| 01:15.15 | abrotman | bazz: apt-cache show vsound |
| 01:15.20 | abrotman | bazz: is that what you want? |
| 01:15.24 | intero | abrotman: goodnight now :P i'll let you know if i find something! |
| 01:15.30 | abrotman | intero: i'd like to know what it is |
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| 01:15.44 | AI_coder | The only solution I can think of is to move where the wine binaries are located so they do not execute automatically. |
| 01:15.44 | intero | abrotman: if i find out be sure i'll inform you |
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| 01:15.53 | abrotman | intero: and dooglus too! |
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| 01:16.04 | abrotman | intero: also .. maybe ask #c |
| 01:16.05 | dooglus | :) |
| 01:16.14 | AI_coder | Is anyone else having this problem? If not do you think I am the only one? |
| 01:16.16 | bazz | abrotman: is that just a recorder though? what i really want if for an app that's expecing input on the mic to get that input from a sound file |
| 01:16.31 | intero | ok but tomorrow, i am dead tired now :) night and thanks abrotman + dooglus |
| 01:16.38 | abrotman | bazz: ah .. i misunderstood .. hrm |
| 01:16.45 | dooglus | abrotman: does it happen with any other program? try with 'helloworld.c" or some such |
| 01:16.54 | abrotman | dooglus: dunno .. i didn't compile it :) |
| 01:17.01 | dooglus | sorry - that was for intero |
| 01:17.03 | abrotman | i can try if you really want |
| 01:17.08 | abrotman | bazz: hrm ... |
| 01:17.10 | bazz | abrotman: basically i want to redirect the output of my player to the mic input |
| 01:17.48 | AI_coder | bazz: Try a cable. |
| 01:18.01 | Dewi | is there a... erm... more reliable way to see my IP address than ifconfig |
| 01:18.02 | Dewi | ? |
| 01:18.18 | AI_coder | Most likely the the kernel provides a DAC or a ADC not both simultaneously. |
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| 01:18.22 | abrotman | bazz: perhaps #alsa might have an idea? .. i've never tried to do that .. but yeah .. a cable might work .. but it's cheating! |
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| 01:18.46 | AI_coder | You can however try to write a program that converts between the two fast enough for the changing to be imperceptible. |
| 01:18.55 | bazz | AI_coder: clever :) not sure if i can make it work cause i only want it for a small window, but maybe some fast cable switching could do it, thanks :) |
| 01:18.59 | AI_coder | bazz: Again, you can google for programming dsp. |
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| 01:19.15 | bazz | nod |
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| 01:19.30 | Dewi | according to 'ifconfig' and 'ddclient', both my interfaces are on "169.254.*", which is crazy - neither of them are. And I'm talking to you through them right now. |
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| 01:20.21 | Stevie | Dewi: 169.254.* is some automagic network thing invented by M$ |
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| 01:20.34 | AI_coder | Is anyone in here remotely familiar with wine or wineserver? |
| 01:20.41 | Dewi | Stevie: I know. And yet every tool is telling me both interfaces are using that IP |
| 01:20.45 | Dewi | Stevie: except they aren't |
| 01:20.48 | PerfDave | Dewi: As Stevie says... your situation is possibly caused by using DHCP on a network which has no DHCP server. |
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| 01:21.12 | bazz | thanks for the ideas guys |
| 01:21.13 | abrotman | AI_coder: you've been REALLY vague .. |
| 01:21.19 | mfrisch | How the heck do you restore to factory settings a crt screen? |
| 01:21.20 | AI_coder | Or does anyone know where an expert on wine could be found? |
| 01:21.23 | abrotman | AI_coder: what programs are being run .. what are oyu doing when it does it? |
| 01:21.25 | AI_coder | abrotman: I don't see how. |
| 01:21.39 | AI_coder | hl.exe -steam -game czero |
| 01:21.58 | AI_coder | It sends copious amounts of data across my network. |
| 01:22.12 | abrotman | isn't steam a windows exe? |
| 01:22.18 | AI_coder | It is not running, I only have one DISPLAY |
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| 01:22.23 | abrotman | see .. this is why i have a PS2 :) |
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| 01:22.28 | Dewi | PerfDave: well, firstly, my /etc/network/interfaces says 'iface eth1 inet static'... and secondly, if my IPs are all 169.254.*, how on earth am I talking to you now? |
| 01:22.39 | AI_coder | abrotman: Wine is an open source windows api. |
| 01:22.44 | abrotman | i know what wine is |
| 01:22.46 | abrotman | !wine |
| 01:22.46 | dpkg | somebody said wine was at http://www.winehq.com/ or #winehq. It stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator or alternative win32 API. very buggy, will be a major part of the death of M$. The sources.list lines are: deb http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main, deb-src http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main. apt-get install shiraz, or a tasty alcoholic beverage. |
| 01:22.49 | AI_coder | It has an abi compatible with .exe's. |
| 01:22.55 | abrotman | wow .. no shit .. really? |
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| 01:23.03 | Stevie | Dewi: ip route get to 84.200.240.4 |
| 01:23.11 | phogg | AI_coder: so what was your problem? |
| 01:23.26 | kevix | abrotman: I have actual wine older then WINE x-) |
| 01:23.39 | AI_coder | phogg: The program starts for no reason when I am busy, I didn't execute it, and don't want it to run unless I execute it. |
| 01:23.49 | abrotman | kevix: i wish i did |
| 01:23.53 | wireddd | AI_coder, try #winehq |
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| 01:24.13 | Dewi | Stevie: 1 nexthop.qld.ii.net (203.55.228.88) 136.992 ms 85.145 ms 196.592 ms |
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| 01:24.29 | ryan` | is there any way to use wildcards in /etc/apt/prefrences? |
| 01:24.33 | Stevie | Dewi: huh? That doesn't look like the output from 'ip route get' |
| 01:24.35 | phogg | AI_coder: wine starts if a program is run that needs wine. If you don't like it remove the support for doings so. |
| 01:24.47 | stew | ryan`: yeah, man apt_preferences |
| 01:24.50 | phogg | AI_coder: you could also chmod -x wine when not using it |
| 01:25.04 | kevix | which directory do you delete if you upgrade gnome and it freeze with an old user login but not a newly created user? |
| 01:25.07 | ryan` | ahh./ |
| 01:25.09 | Dewi | Stevie: 84.200.240.4 via 203.206.36.145 dev eth0 src 203.206.36.144 cache mtu 1500 advmss 1460 hoplimit 64 |
| 01:25.12 | ryan` | couldn't fint the manpage |
| 01:25.17 | abrotman | kevix: .gnome or .gnome2 ? |
| 01:25.20 | GenNMX|Thrae | Wine is a great program. I was able to convert my grandfather over to Linux, since all he does is play Windows Solitare, Spider, Freecell, and Minesweeper. |
| 01:25.22 | abrotman | kevix: though mv is better :) |
| 01:25.31 | AI_coder | phogg: I thought about doing that, but it seems like it is unneccessary, this should not be a problem, who is executing the program? cron? |
| 01:25.36 | abrotman | GenNMX|Thrae: gnomine and aisleriot |
| 01:25.38 | kevix | abrotman: gnome2 I guess. Move is good to! |
| 01:25.41 | phogg | AI_coder: who is its owner? |
| 01:25.46 | phogg | AI_coder: what is its parent, if any? |
| 01:25.47 | stew | GenNMX|Thrae: there must be rewrites of those games that don't require wine |
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| 01:25.56 | ryan` | stew, does not seem to be working |
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| 01:26.01 | Dewi | Stevie: well that is my actual IP... but that's not what ifconfig is reporting |
| 01:26.02 | wireddd | stew there are |
| 01:26.04 | abrotman | !kurumin |
| 01:26.04 | dpkg | Kurumin Linux is a Brazilian run-from-CD Linux distribution based on Knoppix. That means it's not debian. Go away.. Ajuda pra Kurumin: http://www.kurumin.com.br |
| 01:26.04 | GenNMX|Thrae | He's a stubborn old man, he wants the originals ;) |
| 01:26.12 | ryan` | trying to pin *xfce4* to sarge-backports |
| 01:26.12 | mfrisch | GenNMX|Thrae pysol rules |
| 01:26.13 | AI_coder | phogg: Ok, I see now, I was executing it. |
| 01:26.21 | phogg | AI_coder: do you use GNOME or KDE? I've had gnome-session annoyingly 'respawn' things it thought I needed. |
| 01:26.21 | AI_coder | root 28510 0.0 0.1 3888 1016 ? Ss Mar07 1:41 |
| 01:26.22 | abrotman | GenNMX|Thrae: TBH .. aisle riot is WAY better than the Windows counterparts |
| 01:26.29 | AI_coder | But that's not true, I did NOT execute it. |
| 01:26.37 | AI_coder | Although the user claims to be root. |
| 01:26.40 | abrotman | you're running games as root? |
| 01:26.54 | AI_coder | Apparently that's who it was running as. |
| 01:26.58 | AI_coder | I don't see why. |
| 01:27.00 | Dewi | Stevie: I think this has happened since I changed my locale from latin1 to utf8 |
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| 01:27.02 | abrotman | no . when you run hl.exe .. WHO are you ? |
| 01:27.11 | Spine | can anyone recomend some newsgroup software ? |
| 01:27.14 | abrotman | pan |
| 01:27.15 | Stevie | tin |
| 01:27.19 | Stevie | nc |
| 01:27.23 | abrotman | tinpan alley? |
| 01:27.27 | AI_coder | abrotman: not root |
| 01:27.34 | kevix | Spine: emacs ? |
| 01:27.41 | abrotman | ew |
| 01:27.45 | Spine | will try it, ty |
| 01:27.48 | phogg | AI_coder: who owns it has little to do with whether you explicitly invoked it. |
| 01:27.48 | AI_coder | phogg: I use both. |
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| 01:27.55 | GenNMX|Thrae | abrotman: aisle riot is gnome-games? |
| 01:27.59 | Stevie | nc nc host 119 |
| 01:28.02 | Stevie | err |
| 01:28.04 | Stevie | nc host 119 |
| 01:28.11 | abrotman | GenNMX|Thrae: i think so .. it's actually a pretty impressive suite of solitaire games |
| 01:28.13 | phogg | AI_coder: then that's who I'd blame first. grep your gnome session file for wine and see what's there |
| 01:28.18 | AI_coder | phogg: I use both kde and gnome |
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| 01:28.40 | ryan` | stew, am i doing someting wrong? |
| 01:28.51 | kevix | phogg: there is a .gnomerc |
| 01:28.52 | GenNMX|Thrae | abrotman: Yeah, he plays those games sometimes, but after using Windows since 3.1 and playing their Solitare, Freecell, and Minesweeper, he's a little set in his ways. |
| 01:29.02 | ryan` | I'm specifying 'Package: *xfce4*' |
| 01:29.12 | abrotman | GenNMX|Thrae: if you got him into aisle riot .. you might never see him again :) |
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| 01:29.19 | phogg | kevix: that probably only gets called on login |
| 01:29.24 | AI_coder | phogg: Where is the gnome session file? |
| 01:29.34 | Dewi | Stevie: maybe I should reboot again and see what happens... |
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| 01:29.49 | phogg | AI_coder: ~/.gnome2/session # something like that, I do not use gnom |
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| 01:29.52 | kevix | AI_coder: i think it would metacity as it s the window manager |
| 01:30.00 | Dewi | Stevie: but I'm not phyiscally near the machine right now so I might lose contact. Urgh. |
| 01:30.00 | dooglus | will 'etch' one day be the stable release? or is it always going to be 'testing'? |
| 01:30.02 | moooooo | hello i need help DCC SEND "string" 0 0 0 |
| 01:30.09 | moooooo | something i said? |
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| 01:30.24 | abrotman | moooooo: please DO NOT that again |
| 01:30.26 | phogg | dooglus: it will be stable once it's stable |
| 01:30.26 | Stevie | Dewi: What do you mean? |
| 01:30.28 | ryan` | moooooo: you will be klined soon |
| 01:30.29 | GenNMX|Thrae | Hmm, I wonder if using a NFS or AFS client on Windows would be faster then Samba? |
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| 01:30.40 | AI_coder | By the way I use fluxbox, but I do need gnome and kde support for my programs, I don't actually have either desktop. |
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| 01:30.49 | Dewi | Stevie: I don't really know what to do to make ifconfig match the actual IP used by my interfaces |
| 01:30.59 | prodope | is there a way i can find out what chipset i'm using? |
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| 01:31.14 | Stevie | Dewi: just type 'ip route get to 84.200.240.4' |
| 01:31.15 | Dewi | Stevie: the interfaces are working but obviously things behave a little oddly when my machine believes it is at 169.254.* |
| 01:31.18 | phogg | prodope: lspci |
| 01:31.20 | moooooo | lol DCC SEND "string" 0 0 0 |
| 01:31.23 | prodope | phogg: thanks |
| 01:31.27 | kevix | Dewi: to set static ip, use /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:31.31 | Dewi | Stevie: 84.200.240.4 via 203.206.36.145 dev eth0 src 203.206.36.144 |
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| 01:31.34 | phogg | prodope: for some things, anyway |
| 01:31.35 | abrotman | !ops moooooo |
| 01:31.35 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: moooooo |
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| 01:31.48 | Dewi | kevix: I *have* a static IP. and it WORKS. but ifconfig is reporting something different |
| 01:31.50 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*i=uber@*.ukonline.co.uk] by azeem |
| 01:31.50 | *** kick/#debian [moooooo!n=mbanck@host45.natpool.mwn.de] by azeem (azeem) |
| 01:31.51 | Stevie | Dewi: There's your IP address: 203.206.36.144 |
| 01:31.51 | kevix | abrotman: just waht i was thinking---kill mooooo |
| 01:31.53 | *** mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem |
| 01:31.59 | phogg | meh? What's all this dcc send stuff? |
| 01:32.00 | abrotman | azeem: i also told staff |
| 01:32.01 | Dewi | Stevie: yes. But how do I tell ifconfig that? |
| 01:32.05 | abrotman | phogg: bloggage.org |
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| 01:32.09 | Dewi | Stevie: because it's saying something different |
| 01:32.11 | Stevie | Dewi: why do you need to? |
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| 01:32.24 | Dewi | Stevie: because apps try to look up my IP and get the wrong information |
| 01:32.26 | Stevie | Dewi: ip addr show dev eth0 |
| 01:32.28 | Dewi | Stevie: ddclient doesn't work |
| 01:32.37 | dooglus | phogg: I think it's an irssi bug in ubuntu. not sure if it affects debian too |
| 01:32.52 | Dewi | Stevie: interesting |
| 01:32.57 | dooglus | phogg: http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/secunia/2006-q1/0829.html |
| 01:33.01 | kevix | dooglus: its worse that than... it kills routers |
| 01:33.02 | Dewi | Stevie: inet 169.254.164.238/16 scope link eth0 |
| 01:33.03 | Dewi | Stevie: inet 203.206.36.144/24 brd 203.206.36.255 scope global eth0 |
| 01:33.15 | Dewi | Stevie: does my interface have 2 IPs or something? |
| 01:33.20 | curley_sue | HELP any ideas on how to run xxkb?! |
| 01:33.23 | Stevie | Dewi: Sure looks that way |
| 01:33.28 | dooglus | kevix: isn't that a different exploit? |
| 01:33.29 | Dewi | Stevie: I wonder how that happens... |
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| 01:33.40 | Dewi | Stevie: it never did until today :P |
| 01:33.44 | Stevie | Dewi: No idea. |
| 01:33.44 | ryan` | Dewi, one of those is a link local address |
| 01:33.54 | Dewi | ryan`: what does that mean? |
| 01:34.02 | ryan` | zeroconf uses it |
| 01:34.08 | Stevie | it must not mean what I think it means |
| 01:34.13 | Stevie | because I thought those were only for ipv6 |
| 01:34.31 | Dewi | ryan`: it's kind of annoying, it breaks ddclient and presumably other things too |
| 01:34.34 | ryan` | nope, ipv4 uses 169.254.0.0/24 for link local |
| 01:34.44 | Dewi | ryan`: what does link local mean? |
| 01:34.51 | Stevie | which RFC is that, ryan? |
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| 01:35.08 | mfrisch | 1999 |
| 01:35.25 | Stevie | and how does link local differ from the other private networks 10.0.0.0/8 172.16.0.0/12 192.168.0.0/16 |
| 01:35.30 | ryan` | Dewi, Stevie looks like 3927 |
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| 01:35.46 | ryan` | Stevie: It's self assigned |
| 01:36.05 | abrotman | dooglus: bloggage.org describes both |
| 01:36.10 | Dewi | ryan`: what does link local mean? |
| 01:36.11 | phogg | abrotman: ah, interesting link. Thanks. |
| 01:36.16 | ryan` | one common use of it is when DHCP fails on windows boxen. |
| 01:36.34 | Stevie | This document |
| 01:36.34 | Stevie | does not recommend that IPv4 Link-Local addresses and routable |
| 01:36.35 | Stevie | addresses be configured simultaneously on the same interface. |
| 01:36.43 | Dewi | ryan`: there are no windows boxen near either of my interfaces |
| 01:36.53 | Stevie | well, whoever's setting that link local address is misbehaving |
| 01:36.57 | Dewi | ryan`: although one did have some nearby when I booted |
| 01:37.21 | ryan` | Dewi, it's described in RFC 3927 |
| 01:37.28 | ryan` | Dewi, are you using DHCP? |
| 01:37.38 | Dewi | ryan`: only on one of the interfaces on which this is occurring |
| 01:37.53 | Dewi | ryan`: want my /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 01:37.59 | ryan` | has this recurred on reboot? |
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| 01:38.18 | Dewi | ryan`: I think so |
| 01:38.22 | stew | Dewi: your card must have more than one ip address, run "ip addr" and it'll probably show 169. and another |
| 01:38.25 | Dewi | ryan`: either that or right after |
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| 01:38.31 | Dewi | stew: yes. But why? |
| 01:38.33 | stew | oh, nm i see that i'm way behind you guys |
| 01:38.40 | Dewi | stew / ryan: http://pastebin.com/591928 |
| 01:38.43 | ryan` | Stevie, i think zeroconf changed that, i'm not 100% sure, I no very little about it |
| 01:38.51 | stew | Dewi: do you have something like zeroconf or laptop-net or something like that installed? |
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| 01:39.33 | ryan` | Dewi, well, immediatly, you can remove it with ip addr delete dev eth0 169.254.164.238/16 |
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| 01:40.04 | Stevie | I love 'ip route get' |
| 01:40.15 | ryan` | ip route get? |
| 01:40.17 | stew | Dewi: i'll bet you recently installed zeroconf |
| 01:40.17 | Stevie | yes |
| 01:40.27 | unstable | Anyone have a good guide on how to preserve power on my laptop as long as possible with debian? |
| 01:40.28 | Stevie | 'ip route get to addresshere' |
| 01:40.31 | Dewi | stew: the latest kernel has a dependancy on zeroconf, so yes |
| 01:40.32 | stew | ip in general rocks |
| 01:40.36 | phogg | I love ip. Great program. |
| 01:40.39 | stew | Dewi: that is why then |
| 01:40.43 | ryan` | Stevie, NEAT! |
| 01:40.44 | JordiGH | Hey, this is the place to ask for help, right? My sound is strangely partly muffled. I can't get sound from midis, .mov or from Armagetron, but I get other kinds of sound like mp3s, KDE cutesy sounds, and movie formats like .mpeg or sounds like .wav play fine. Any clues how to begin to troubleshoot this? |
| 01:40.45 | nse | hello guys! how to list just the files inside a directory which do not start with a number? |
| 01:40.52 | Stevie | ryan`: You just tried it? |
| 01:40.55 | ryan` | yeah |
| 01:40.56 | stew | Dewi: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 01:40.59 | PerfDave | So new kernels require zeroconf which gives you an extra IP address? |
| 01:41.01 | Dewi | stew: why would my static LAN NIC need two IPs? |
| 01:41.08 | stew | Dewi: it doesn't |
| 01:41.09 | Dewi | stew: Linux vetch 2.6.15-1-k7 #2 Thu Feb 2 18:48:35 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 01:41.17 | phogg | JordiGH: check your mixer settings? |
| 01:41.20 | stew | !depends linux-image-2.6.15-1-k7 |
| 01:41.22 | JordiGH | Doom, for example, plays sounds of imps growling and shotguns blwoing, but I don't get to hear the sound track. |
| 01:41.42 | JordiGH | phogg, where should I do that? Kmixer says all channels are on, but I know other mixers can say different things. |
| 01:41.49 | ryan` | JordiGH, check your mixer settings |
| 01:41.59 | phogg | JordiGH: you probably have several problems. See if you can play midis with timidity |
| 01:42.19 | Stevie | ryan`: We have a somewhat unorthodox networking setup at work, that both (a) bridges two subnets, and (b) directs outgoing traffic to one of two different ISPs |
| 01:42.26 | phogg | JordiGH: make sure that libao is configured to use the appropriate sound output method (e.g. alsa09, oss, etc) |
| 01:42.27 | stew | dpkg test |
| 01:42.27 | dpkg | No, stew, you're not online any more. |
| 01:42.36 | Dewi | stew: it seems to allow me to remove it... it must have been transitional |
| 01:42.39 | ryan` | Stevie, I've worked with setups like that. |
| 01:42.43 | Dewi | stew: but it definitely came through as a dependancy |
| 01:42.44 | Stevie | ryan`: 'ip route get from <here> to <there> iif <fromif>' |
| 01:42.51 | Dewi | [INSTALL, DEPENDENCIES] zeroconf |
| 01:42.56 | ryan` | Stevie, cool..... |
| 01:42.56 | stew | dondelelcaro: did we lose dpkg's debian utils again? |
| 01:43.03 | Stevie | Helped me understand why my routing wasn't working |
| 01:43.17 | JordiGH | urgh, wait, artsd is hogging the sound.... |
| 01:43.21 | phogg | JordiGH: do you use alsa or OSS? Forget kmixer, try alsamixer if you use alsa. |
| 01:43.35 | Stevie | Try salsamixer if you have tortilla chips |
| 01:43.48 | ryan` | stew, still can't get pinning to work, should 'Package: *xfce4*' work as expected? |
| 01:43.51 | phogg | JordiGH: or yeah, it could be that. Avoid artsd! |
| 01:44.03 | nse | Hello everybody! I'm with a little problem: I need to list just the file names in a directory which do not starts with a number, or which starts with a letter.. is there a way to do this with ls!? |
| 01:44.07 | abrotman | stew: yes |
| 01:44.11 | ryan` | ugh, artsd sucks |
| 01:44.19 | Stevie | ryan`: Don't the apt things use regular expressions? in which you would want 'Package: .*xfce4.*' |
| 01:44.21 | mbishop | they are getting rid of arts for kde 4 |
| 01:44.25 | mbishop | going with gstreamer I believe |
| 01:44.31 | abrotman | everyone should! |
| 01:44.41 | JordiGH | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed: No such device |
| 01:44.42 | ryan` | Stevie, it understands 'Package: *' |
| 01:44.44 | Stevie | ls -1 | grep -v '^\d' |
| 01:44.54 | Stevie | nse: ls -1 | grep -v '^\d' |
| 01:45.08 | Stevie | that's ell ess space dash 1 |
| 01:45.19 | phogg | nse: find . -type d -maxdepth 1 |
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| 01:45.25 | JordiGH | timidity: Can't read any configuration file. |
| 01:45.27 | phogg | nse: find . -not -type d -maxdepth 1 |
| 01:45.31 | ryan` | Stevie, no, .*xfce4.* does not work. |
| 01:45.42 | Stevie | err |
| 01:45.56 | Stevie | probably a combination of all these requests |
| 01:46.03 | Dewi | stew: okay, zerconf appears to have no other use than messing up my ifaces with extra IPs.... should I just remove it? |
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| 01:46.19 | Dewi | stew: is there any way I can find out what package depended on it? |
| 01:46.28 | Dewi | stew: none seem to now |
| 01:46.31 | Stevie | 'apt-cache show zerconf' |
| 01:46.39 | Stevie | or better yet |
| 01:46.40 | arnd__ | with an ext3 file system, do i have to set the passno field in fstab to something nonzero? and what is the dump field good for? |
| 01:46.42 | Stevie | aptitude |
| 01:46.51 | Stevie | aptitude and search for zerconf |
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| 01:46.53 | stew | Dewi: apt-cache rdepends zeroconf |
| 01:46.53 | Dewi | Stevie: that only shows me what it depends on |
| 01:47.04 | JordiGH | Hm, timidity complains about not having "freepats.cfg". Then when trying to apt-get it, I see that it's a 26 meg file. Reckon I really need it? |
| 01:47.27 | JordiGH | When I try to apt-get freepats, that is. |
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| 01:47.47 | Stevie | JordiGH: So it's only free if you have an unlimited-use inet connection? ;-) |
| 01:47.57 | JordiGH | Stevie, :) |
| 01:48.41 | Stevie | it's for midi audio synthesis |
| 01:48.54 | JordiGH | So I read. |
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| 01:49.13 | JordiGH | And it has some scary tlas in it. |
| 01:49.17 | nse | Stevie, phogg: the lines you gave didn't work |
| 01:49.20 | Stevie | tlas? |
| 01:49.32 | Azar | this is very strange to see myself joining back.. |
| 01:49.46 | JordiGH | three-letter acronyms. :) |
| 01:49.50 | Spine | whats the command to uncompress a rar file ? |
| 01:49.55 | Azar | ..when in fact I never left here |
| 01:50.00 | ryan` | Stevie, rm /etc/init.d/zeroconf? |
| 01:50.08 | abrotman | Azar: the real problem will be when you start talking to you |
| 01:50.09 | nse | Spine: maybe it's unrar |
| 01:50.17 | Dewi | stew: maybe it came through with avahi-daemon |
| 01:50.19 | Spine | tryed that dont work |
| 01:50.25 | Azar | abrotman, everything is possible as I can see :) |
| 01:50.25 | Stevie | Azar: If you tell yourself tomorrow's closing stock prices, make sure you tell me too |
| 01:51.04 | ryan` | Stevie, buy SCOX |
| 01:51.08 | JordiGH | Ok, midis I can do without. But no sound in .mov files? And alsamixer complaining so suddenly? |
| 01:51.10 | Azar | Steve good idea: never thought to code a prophet yet |
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| 01:51.28 | JordiGH | And... NO SOUND IN ARMAGETRON!! This one is the most serious by far. |
| 01:52.04 | Dewi | stew: if zeroconf was added as a dependancy and nothing depends on it now, shouldn't aptitude remove it as an "unused" package? although it is still in "recommends" and "suggests" of several packages I have.... |
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| 01:52.55 | Dewi | stew: is there a way to ask apt for a list of all installed packages on which nothing depends? |
| 01:52.56 | phogg | nse: find . -maxdepth 1 -type f -and -regex '^./[0123456789]+.*' # Find files in the current directory not strarting with a digit |
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| 01:53.05 | JordiGH | Dewi, let me know if you get that fixed. I've often wished for a feature that completely undos apt operations, such as removing all the dependencies when you apt-get remove the package that requested all those dependencies. |
| 01:53.20 | Dewi | JordiGH: normally aptitude doesx |
| 01:53.22 | Dewi | -x |
| 01:53.23 | phogg | Spine: rar x |
| 01:53.34 | nse | phogg: what a big string! |
| 01:53.35 | Stevie | phogg: I would expect [^0-9] or [^\d] to work |
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| 01:54.07 | phogg | Stevie: you would, but not without a better -regextype |
| 01:54.23 | JordiGH | Dewi: I think there may be some bugs sometimes. Apt tries to surreptitiously remove KDE sometimes when I perform a seemingly innocuous apt operation. There must be a coder out there who really hates KDE . :) |
| 01:54.35 | javiolo | anyone here owns a embedded machine? Id like to setup a backup server |
| 01:54.39 | nse | phogg: but it gave me a null output in a directory that contains files starting with a letter... |
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| 01:54.46 | Spine | ty |
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| 01:54.59 | Stevie | that's because his regex is backwards |
| 01:55.02 | Dewi | JordiGH: apt-cache show deborphan |
| 01:55.05 | Spine | nvm that dont work eather lol |
| 01:55.09 | Dewi | JordiGH: I'm taking a look at this |
| 01:55.13 | nse | phogg: forget it! maybe I can do it by myself.. |
| 01:55.14 | nn- | javiolo: i just bought lcs 8220 |
| 01:55.20 | Stevie | try -regex '^./[^0-9]' |
| 01:55.23 | Azar | JordiGH: you could think of KDE being sensitive enough to be put aside when certain packages are installed |
| 01:55.32 | phogg | nse: it only lists files starting with digits, 'cause I forgot a -not |
| 01:55.33 | Stevie | nse: bleh, screw it. try this. |
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| 01:56.05 | Stevie | nse: perl -le 'print for grep { -f && /^[^\d]/ } glob("*") }' |
| 01:56.39 | phogg | nse: find . -maxdepth 1 -type f -and -not -regex '^./[0-9]+.*' # yes Stevie, you were right. |
| 01:56.42 | javiolo | nn- what soft comes default ? |
| 01:57.10 | phogg | Stevie: mine is easier to type (-: |
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| 01:57.42 | Dewi | JordiGH: deborphan -a -n |
| 01:57.45 | Dewi | JordiGH: very handy! |
| 01:57.50 | nse | Stevie: I got compilation errors with that... I thought a simple ls with some arguments could do that |
| 01:57.57 | nn- | javiolo: comes with a small embedded linux + http + ftp + smb + torrent |
| 01:57.59 | Stevie | nse: you did? |
| 01:58.13 | nse | Stevie: yes I did |
| 01:58.18 | Stevie | oh sorry |
| 01:58.21 | phogg | nse: learn find(1). find is a superior being. Learn to love it. |
| 01:58.23 | Stevie | take off the } at the very end |
| 01:58.24 | nn- | javiolo: but you can flash it with a custom firmware and install various kinds of apps like nfs for example |
| 01:58.27 | Dewi | JordiGH: shows all packages on the system not absolutely required by anything else |
| 01:58.46 | JordiGH | Uh, xserver-xorg? |
| 01:58.46 | Stevie | nse: perl -le 'print for grep { -f && /^[^\d]/ } glob("*")' |
| 01:58.50 | JordiGH | OpenOffice.org? |
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| 01:58.58 | JordiGH | I need those, thankyouverymuch. |
| 01:59.18 | Stevie | No you don't |
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| 01:59.37 | Stevie | you have /dev/tty1 and vi |
| 01:59.55 | JordiGH | EMACS! |
| 02:00.20 | Stevie | emacs is a great OS, but the editor sucks |
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| 02:00.37 | phogg | Stevie: clearly you have not had enough koolaid |
| 02:01.06 | Stevie | 'don't absolutely need' != 'absolutely don't need' |
| 02:01.23 | JordiGH | :) |
| 02:01.43 | JordiGH | My Englishes suck. |
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| 02:02.44 | javiolo | nn- ok maybe Ill need a small one |
| 02:03.09 | stoned | its the same thing |
| 02:03.12 | nn- | javiolo: a small what? |
| 02:03.35 | stoned | what is the difference between 'don't absolutely need' != 'absolutely don't need' |
| 02:03.45 | ali4728 | Is there a tool/program to automate multiple network configs? I have static IP at home & dynamic at school. Am tired of switching /etc/network/interfaces. Any advice? |
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| 02:03.52 | JordiGH | Oh, boy. Looks like my kernel needs some more modules to be loaded for sound to work. |
| 02:04.10 | javiolo | nn- small box |
| 02:04.11 | stoned | in fact, the former suffers from poor grammar and structure |
| 02:04.22 | stoned | the former is correct |
| 02:04.37 | stoned | (you don't) absolutely need it. |
| 02:04.43 | stoned | in fact, absolutely isn't even a word to use here |
| 02:04.51 | stoned | i dont' see how that fits in the context |
| 02:05.02 | PerfDave | ali4728: laptop-net ? |
| 02:05.07 | stoned | how does the totality of an entity play a part in here? |
| 02:05.14 | stoned | god im high as shit |
| 02:05.16 | ali4728 | yes |
| 02:05.16 | stoned | :D |
| 02:05.24 | ali4728 | PerfDave, yes |
| 02:05.32 | stoned | I meant the latter is correct |
| 02:05.33 | nn- | javiolo: the allnet 6200 / lcs 8220 is probably the cheapest and smallest linux nas available.. |
| 02:06.14 | Stevie | well, it all came from JordiGH's misinterpretation of what Dewi tried to say, which is that deborphan finds packages that aren't listed as a dependency by any other package |
| 02:06.22 | nse | Stevie, phogg: hmmm... there is a better way to do it: ls [a-z]* |
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| 02:07.04 | JordiGH | How can no other package think that xserver-xorg is a dependency? |
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| 02:07.12 | Stevie | well, that relies on shell expansion, but ok, nse |
| 02:07.13 | phogg | nse: ls -d [a-zA-Z]* will work, I guess. But learn find anyway! |
| 02:07.25 | phogg | nse: of course, it it also shows directories... |
| 02:07.26 | Dewi | JordiGH: I don't have xserver |
| 02:07.27 | Tortel^ | what kernels support dual processors? |
| 02:07.32 | abrotman | the ones that are -smp |
| 02:07.36 | Dewi | JordiGH: you only need it to display X apps locally |
| 02:07.37 | Tortel^ | k |
| 02:07.39 | MyWay | I have a sempron64 2800, wich kernel for x64 does i need? |
| 02:07.48 | Dewi | JordiGH: I only display them remotely so xserver is unneeded |
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| 02:08.37 | javiolo | nn- how about soekris systems ? |
| 02:08.45 | Tortel^ | abrotman: im assuming that the name of the package (in sarge) $kernelname-383-smp? |
| 02:08.55 | Tortel^ | something like that |
| 02:09.04 | abrotman | Tortel^: what is your CPU ? |
| 02:09.08 | Tortel^ | P3 |
| 02:09.13 | JordiGH | Hmm... I would still need an x-client here, though. Which package provides the client? |
| 02:09.18 | nse | Stevie: what do you mean by shell expansion? |
| 02:09.23 | Dewi | JordiGH: x-base or something |
| 02:09.26 | abrotman | Tortel^: apt-cache search 686 smp |
| 02:09.33 | Tortel^ | k |
| 02:09.37 | abrotman | xbase-clients ? |
| 02:09.43 | Tortel^ | cyas later |
| 02:10.11 | Dewi | JordiGH: xbase-clients |
| 02:10.12 | MyWay | and what i need for update my kernel from 2.4 to 2.6? only kernel-image? |
| 02:10.49 | abrotman | MyWay: what is your CPU ? |
| 02:10.57 | MyWay | sempron64 2800 |
| 02:11.06 | JordiGH | ... kernel updating... I wonder if that will fix my sound problems... tempting... so very tempting... |
| 02:11.08 | phogg | nse: ls -ld [a-zA-Z]* | grep -v ^d # close to my find version, but uses long listings which may not be desired. See also ls -ld [a-zA-Z]* | grep -v ^d | awk '{print $8}' which works unles you have spaces in your file names. |
| 02:11.18 | abrotman | MyWay: apt-cache search kernel k8 |
| 02:11.41 | MyWay | abrotman kernel-image-2.6-amd64-k8, this? |
| 02:11.44 | dooglus | phogg: what I meant was, "sid" seems to be the name of the unstable version, and always will be. "sid" will never become stable, and that's the intention. how about "etch"? |
| 02:11.53 | nn- | javiolo: i don't know about their throughput specs, if you're building a storage server you might be better off with a pre-built nas |
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| 02:12.15 | abrotman | MyWay: sure |
| 02:12.17 | MyWay | kernel-image-2.6-amd64-k8-smp what's this with the SMP final? |
| 02:12.22 | abrotman | !smp |
| 02:12.22 | dpkg | hmm... smp is (Symmetric Multi Processing) This refers to a technology where a computer uses multiple processors to process different instructions at the same time, in separate processing units. It is a form of parallel computing. or Single Member Plurality, which is the Canadian electoral system., or rtfm! http://www.phy.duke.edu/brahma/smp-faq/, or the right option for Hyperthreaded Pentium 4's, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symmetric_multiprocessing |
| 02:12.34 | MyWay | oh |
| 02:12.35 | MyWay | thanks |
| 02:12.45 | JordiGH | !apt |
| 02:12.45 | dpkg | apt is probably the Advanced Package Tool. In Debian it's a frontend to dpkg. For help using APT, see the APT HOWTO at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ |
| 02:13.08 | JordiGH | !help |
| 02:13.41 | MyWay | A last question, is there a visual tool, or something that advise me when the modem is disconnect? like two monitors or something |
| 02:13.42 | MyWay | :O |
| 02:13.52 | MyWay | (i use gnome) |
| 02:14.14 | nn- | apropos.. |
| 02:14.29 | nn- | why are gnome applets incompatible with wm applets? |
| 02:15.00 | nn- | was there any reason to create a new applet api? |
| 02:15.10 | Stevie | cuz the gnome applets are compiled with -DINCOMPATIBLE_WITH_WM |
| 02:15.20 | nn- | not to mention epplets and other stuff.. |
| 02:15.38 | phogg | dooglus: http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
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| 02:15.58 | JordiGH | Interesting... |
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| 02:16.30 | javiolo | nn- my first though was using a embedded system to use a soft like m0n0wall but later I planned to have some pcs and macs using linux as thin clients is that possible with a embedded syst ? |
| 02:17.00 | dooglus | phogg: thanks |
| 02:17.13 | phogg | nn-: no doubt they wanted some trivial new features. |
| 02:17.35 | JordiGH | Wow. It's a small online world. The Sara Smollett I found in the Debian lists happens to be the number one hit in google for an article I wrote myself some time back casually mentioning Mme Smollett. |
| 02:17.55 | nn- | phogg: that's 4 sure, but i am curious what there "features" are |
| 02:18.04 | JordiGH | Er, supposing that you misspell like I did and forget to put the double t's at the end. |
| 02:18.07 | nn- | s/there/these/ |
| 02:19.24 | nn- | javiolo: that heavily depends on the kind of software you are planning to run on these thin clients.. |
| 02:19.57 | phogg | it's hard to keep track, sometimes, of whether some piece of text is in my selection buffer, on my clipboard or in my cut buffer or elsewhere. |
| 02:20.10 | javiolo | nn- edubuntu :P |
| 02:20.23 | Hitch | abrotman: I read the man pages.. And there are 5% reserved blocks on the file system and I can change it using the -m flag of the tune2fs. But it's inside the 73Gb. |
| 02:20.40 | javiolo | nn- its for a school |
| 02:20.52 | abrotman | Hitch: what's your kernel? |
| 02:20.59 | nn- | phogg: is there anything of importance that gnome applets can do and wm applets can't? |
| 02:21.08 | Hitch | abrotman: 2.6.12 |
| 02:21.14 | abrotman | and it's ext3? |
| 02:21.40 | unstable | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/9ZlOFw27.html |
| 02:21.46 | unstable | How do I know which module I need ot load? |
| 02:21.48 | phogg | nn-: nothing I find important |
| 02:22.04 | phogg | nn-: but probably there are lots of things |
| 02:22.20 | abrotman | unstable: which module for what? |
| 02:22.22 | Hitch | abrotman: yes it is. If i use reiserfs i haven't any space lost inside the partion (5% on ext3) and the partition size increase to 74GB but not to 79 |
| 02:22.27 | nn- | phogg: i just hate these 'we need yet another bloated api'-guys ;) |
| 02:22.42 | nn- | javiolo: so you're planning to run xclients & stuff on the embedded system or what? |
| 02:23.09 | phogg | nn-: you could probably write a gnome applet swallower applet. |
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| 02:23.23 | unstable | abrotman: For toshutils to work, So I can use my fn key. |
| 02:23.28 | javiolo | nn- I dont know if thats possible |
| 02:23.33 | abrotman | unstable: read the docs |
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| 02:23.38 | unstable | The README.Debian says I need to modprobe one of thees, but it doesn't say which |
| 02:23.43 | unstable | abrotman: I did |
| 02:23.53 | abrotman | all of them? |
| 02:24.00 | javiolo | nn- Im asking |
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| 02:24.09 | nn- | phogg: fortunatly, i am neither using gnome nor kde :) |
| 02:24.12 | james__ | Whats that realy good IM client that supports a ton of im standards? |
| 02:24.58 | TGM | Has anybody else been receiving greylist messages from petsupermarket@uol.com.br when posting to d-devel? I really wish that person would be unsubscribed. |
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| 02:25.34 | phogg | james__: gaim, of course |
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| 02:25.46 | jimcooncat | I installed vmware server. Now I have a patched kernel. Do you have some docs for dealing with apt-get and patched kernels? |
| 02:26.55 | JordiGH | exit |
| 02:27.05 | nn- | jimcooncat: vmware patches your kernel? |
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| 02:27.40 | nn- | javiolo: that depends on the embedded system.. many of them only support a very limited range of software and you might have to compile many things by hand |
| 02:27.53 | jimcooncat | nn yes, now I want to know how to keep it from upgrading and warning me if it wants to |
| 02:28.18 | Stevie | is there something somewhere that documents the various sysctls in /proc/sys/net ? |
| 02:28.29 | cafuego | jimcooncat: vmware server will work fine as long as you let it build its modules. |
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| 02:28.52 | nn- | jimcooncat: dunno, the last version of vmware i was using came with a set of modules, but it didnt alter my kernel source |
| 02:28.58 | javiolo | nn- agh so isnt a good idea no ? |
| 02:28.59 | jimcooncat | cafuego, so when I upgrade kernel to just rerun the install, right? |
| 02:29.02 | phogg | Stevie: man sysctl |
| 02:29.09 | cafuego | jimcooncat: vmware does NOT patch your kernel. it installs a few modules (which are easily rebuilt when the kernel is upgraded) |
| 02:29.28 | cafuego | jimcooncat: Just rerun 'sudo vmware-config.pl' and it'll rebuild updated modules. |
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| 02:30.09 | jimcooncat | cafuego, I had the wrong idea then |
| 02:30.29 | jimcooncat | I'm surprised the modules have to be recompiled then |
| 02:30.44 | cafuego | jimcooncat: putting the kernel version on hold isn't a great idea (though it is possible) , as you'll miss out of ctitical bugfixes that way. |
| 02:30.54 | Hitch | abrotman: Any problems with 2.6 series and the ext3 fs? |
| 02:31.02 | cafuego | jimcooncat: Their internal version strings need to match, or the kernel won't load them. |
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| 02:31.08 | nn- | javiolo: I don't think so |
| 02:31.18 | jimcooncat | any way I can get it to email me if it needs to kernel upgrade? |
| 02:31.34 | nn- | javiolo: if you need an application server get a pc or whatever, if you need a storage server get a NAS |
| 02:31.47 | abrotman | Hitch: not that i'm aware of |
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| 02:32.08 | cafuego | jimcooncat: plonk "apt-get -s dist-upgrade | grep kernel | mail me@some.domain -s kernel-update" in cron.daily or something |
| 02:32.29 | cafuego | jimcooncat: Ugly fix, but works. |
| 02:32.31 | javiolo | nn- ok thanks, did you try NSLU2 ? |
| 02:32.41 | jimcooncat | thank You cafuego |
| 02:33.10 | nn- | javiolo: no, it requires usb HDs afaik, which is totally insane |
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| 02:33.40 | BiRD | what is default debian kernel path? |
| 02:33.49 | abrotman | /boot/ ? |
| 02:33.53 | Hitch | abrotman: My last try will be to make partition with OpenBSD instead of mkfs from linux |
| 02:34.00 | nn- | "kernel path" is ambigious |
| 02:34.00 | abrotman | Hitch: why? |
| 02:34.10 | Stevie | phogg: 'man sysctl' doesn't tell me anything I don't already know |
| 02:34.54 | Hitch | abrotman: maybe a bug in mkfs is the reason for that problem. The ffs partion tha i've made there is no problem with size |
| 02:34.56 | javiolo | nn- yes usb hds |
| 02:35.13 | abrotman | Hitch: i really really doubt it |
| 02:35.17 | abrotman | Hitch: i still think it's correct |
| 02:35.56 | nn- | javiolo: however, the nlsu2 is pretty fast.. but I don't think that compensates the need for additional usb hardware |
| 02:36.41 | BiRD | trying to install madwifi and the make returns 'Default KERNELPATH not found, using /usr/src/linux' ... etc |
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| 02:37.42 | bernardo | How do i integrate the swf-player with mozilla??? |
| 02:37.52 | Hitch | abrotman: Ok, the fs needs to reserve some space to keep its informations. but reserve 6GB plus 5% of the space it gaves to me? It's seems strange. You agree, don't you? |
| 02:38.22 | nn- | bernardo: just download it & copy it to your pluging dir |
| 02:38.27 | abrotman | Hitch: i'm telling you .. it's 1024 vs 1000 .. if you don't believe me .. format it with some other Filesystem on another OS |
| 02:39.09 | bernardo | nn-: i installed it with apt-get |
| 02:39.10 | javiolo | nn- thanks for your help Ill google to see what I need |
| 02:39.26 | nn- | bernardo: yes, where's the problem? |
| 02:39.42 | chealer9 | bernardo: the Free Mozilla plugin for SWF files ? |
| 02:40.05 | AI_coder | What significance is the pike programming language and is it used to hack people with cadmium? |
| 02:40.06 | valdyn | Hitch: ext3 reserves a few % for root |
| 02:40.11 | bernardo | chealer9: yes, it hink its called "swf-player" |
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| 02:40.40 | AI_coder | I'm on a friends ssh and I noticed he's got pike listening, he said he was hacked a while back, and he's not a programmer, so I don't know why a pike shell is open. |
| 02:41.14 | jetscreamer | he got hacked and didn't bare metal it? |
| 02:41.22 | jetscreamer | tsk |
| 02:41.29 | Azar | anyone here reading planet debian? |
| 02:41.45 | nn- | javiolo: when you're looking for a nas i can recommend the allcom / longshine products, but be warned.. they don't tranfer more than 4MB/s |
| 02:41.46 | jetscreamer | i read captain planet... |
| 02:41.55 | Azar | interesting log |
| 02:42.09 | nn- | javiolo: so it heavily depends on your apps whether they're a good choice |
| 02:42.16 | Hitch | valdy: 5% and you can set it using tune2fs. This space used by ther root is it for what exactly.. Use of the fs stuffs or what? My partion begins with 126Mb used. |
| 02:42.41 | AI_coder | He's not a programmer like I said, he just told me about this today. |
| 02:42.46 | Hitch | abrotman: I believe. I will use my 73GB partition.. Thank you very much for the help and patience |
| 02:43.00 | AI_coder | He's got a website w/ a ssh, I don't know why... and he wants me to maintain it. |
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| 02:43.21 | Azar | abrotman... are you interested? familiar with inner stuff? |
| 02:43.26 | AI_coder | I was just wondering if anyone knew about pike for hacking. |
| 02:43.30 | abrotman | Hitch: i still think the count is correct |
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| 02:44.50 | Hitch | abrotman: I think it too. but i just to know why the fs reserve more space for the root. |
| 02:45.02 | abrotman | Hitch: it's 5% unless you specify something else |
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| 02:45.18 | freeone3000 | ...How do you GAIN space by installing new programs, but removing none? |
| 02:45.23 | chealer9 | bernardo: be aware that the quality of Free Flash players is currently [very] low |
| 02:45.25 | jetscreamer | hitch: change it. |
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| 02:45.30 | Stevie | freeone3000: magic! |
| 02:45.42 | jetscreamer | that or tighter code |
| 02:45.56 | Stevie | Anticode |
| 02:46.00 | jetscreamer | nah couldn't be the code |
| 02:46.02 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 02:46.11 | curt | less comments in code that has been proven... |
| 02:46.14 | Stevie | Antiblocks |
| 02:46.21 | bernardo | chelaer9: really? macromedia doesnt provide a version for linux? |
| 02:46.22 | jetscreamer | antimatter! |
| 02:46.30 | freeone3000 | I have antiblocks... |
| 02:46.30 | nn- | bernardo: sure they do |
| 02:46.32 | jetscreamer | flash yes shockwave no |
| 02:46.34 | Stevie | no, antimatter reduces available drive space |
| 02:46.34 | abrotman | freeone3000: smaller binaries . less docs .. etc |
| 02:46.39 | chealer9 | bernardo: it does, but it's not swf-player |
| 02:46.42 | valdyn | !80026*1000/1024/1024 |
| 02:46.42 | dpkg | 76.318740844727 |
| 02:46.49 | freeone3000 | ...Woah. |
| 02:46.50 | Stevie | wtf is 80026? |
| 02:46.54 | Stevie | oh |
| 02:47.01 | jetscreamer | no antimatter increases available spacedrive |
| 02:47.09 | Stevie | no |
| 02:47.11 | bernardo | chealer9: so.. what's the diference? |
| 02:47.13 | nn- | nn-: as i already said: go to the mm hp & download the player manually |
| 02:47.17 | freeone3000 | Stevie: 8*(10^5)+2*(10^1)+6*(10^0) |
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| 02:47.24 | abrotman | Hitch: see valdyn's calculation |
| 02:47.28 | junix-other | what package are the qt header files in? |
| 02:47.29 | curt | I didn't know dpkg did math |
| 02:47.30 | Hitch | abrotman: I know, i did it. I change for 1%. But it did not increase my partion. it just increase my free space. So, I wish to know for what the ext3 reserve this space if it already reserve 6 GB of the disk |
| 02:47.41 | Stevie | antimatter increases the physical space available to store a drive |
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| 02:47.56 | jetscreamer | hitch what did you create your partitions with |
| 02:47.58 | freeone3000 | Ah. 6 GB reserved. That would explain why I only have 114GB. |
| 02:48.13 | Stevie | 6gb reserved? That's a lot of reserved space |
| 02:48.14 | chealer9 | bernardo: Macromedia distributes the proprietary Macromedia Flash. swf-player is a different, Free Flash player, not made by Macromedia. and not really usable yet |
| 02:48.16 | valdyn | !GB |
| 02:48.16 | dpkg | from memory, gb is an abbreviation for GigaByte. And also for Great Britain. Has also been associated with great beer & as an acronym for gurubonz. |
| 02:48.21 | valdyn | !GiB |
| 02:48.21 | dpkg | [gib] gibibytes, ask me about gibi |
| 02:48.26 | valdyn | !gibi |
| 02:48.27 | dpkg | rumour has it, gibi is 2^30 or see http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html |
| 02:48.36 | jetscreamer | !pie |
| 02:48.36 | dpkg | i heard pie is NOT a mathematical term. It's a food. or about 8.539734222677. |
| 02:48.47 | freeone3000 | !pi*e |
| 02:48.47 | dpkg | 8.539734212916 |
| 02:48.51 | Stevie | I hate those stupid mibibites/kibibytes/gibibytes |
| 02:48.57 | bernardo | chealer9:oh...ok, so how do i install the macromedia version? |
| 02:49.00 | javiolo | mail command is just for local users ? |
| 02:49.07 | chealer9 | !tell bernardo about flash |
| 02:49.10 | javiolo | I mean to send mail to local users |
| 02:49.16 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 02:49.35 | Hitch | jetscreamer: cfdisk and after that I use mkfs to format |
| 02:49.37 | dvs | Stevie: blame the marketers for that. |
| 02:49.38 | lordnazgul | im having trouble removing a package (kdebluetooth) dpkg gives me a funky error that i have never seen. dpkg-divert: mismatch on divert-to. any ideas? I can paste the whole output into #flood if anyone wants |
| 02:50.33 | chealer9 | lordnazgul: I'm there |
| 02:50.34 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 02:50.43 | junix-other | what package are the qt header files in? |
| 02:50.44 | sparr | ~snapshot |
| 02:50.47 | apt | [debian snapshot] at ftp://lorien.handhelds.org/pub/linux/Debian |
| 02:51.10 | abrotman | !sdn |
| 02:51.11 | dpkg | sdn is probably go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 02:51.11 | jetscreamer | some qt-dev thing .. apt-cache search qt | grep -i -dev maybe |
| 02:51.12 | chealer9 | !tell sparr about msg the bot |
| 02:51.33 | jetscreamer | debian |
| 02:51.35 | valdyn | grep -i "\-dev" |
| 02:51.36 | sparr | !msg the bot |
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| 02:51.42 | valdyn | or grep -i -- -dev |
| 02:51.46 | jetscreamer | ah my regex-fu still sucks |
| 02:51.49 | cricket | hey im gettin some error when it ry to apt-get install stuff |
| 02:51.51 | cricket | This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. |
| 02:51.51 | cricket | E: Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs |
| 02:51.52 | cricket | root@SOLos:~# c |
| 02:51.56 | sparr | jetscreamer: your regexfu is not strong. |
| 02:52.02 | valdyn | !e2fsloop |
| 02:52.02 | chealer9 | !tell cricket about e2fsprogs loop |
| 02:52.22 | lordnazgul | chealer9 i pasted it into flood |
| 02:52.41 | lordnazgul | i am completely befuddled here |
| 02:52.50 | cricket | thnx |
| 02:52.55 | abrotman | !e2fsprogsloop |
| 02:52.58 | chealer9 | lordnazgul: which release do you use? |
| 02:52.58 | abrotman | !e2fsprogloop |
| 02:53.01 | abrotman | i give up |
| 02:53.04 | lordnazgul | mixture |
| 02:53.15 | jetscreamer | !listkeys e2fsp |
| 02:53.17 | lordnazgul | ive got testing and unstable stuff in it |
| 02:53.17 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'e2fsp' by key (6): #debian e2fsprogs ;; e2fsprogs ;; #debian e2fsprogs loop ;; _default e2fsprogs ;; e2fsprogs loop ;; _default e2fsprogs loop. |
| 02:53.20 | abrotman | !e2fsprogs loop |
| 02:53.20 | dpkg | e2fsprogs loop is, like, you are running packages which are older than the current debian stable and are trying to upgrade to debian testing which isn't supported, edit /etc/apt/sources.list and replace "testing" or "etch" or "unstable" with "stable" then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade; then if you still want testing, edit sources.list again, and change stable to testing and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 02:53.21 | sparr | can ukai@debian.org ever be found on irc? |
| 02:53.33 | jetscreamer | is that anything like fruitloops? |
| 02:53.41 | Azar | sorry for the silly question: what is a DPL? |
| 02:53.52 | abrotman | !dpl |
| 02:53.52 | dpkg | DPL stands for Debian Project Leader, an elected position currently held by Branden Robinson ("Overfiend"). See <http://www.debian.org/devel/leader>. |
| 02:53.54 | chealer9 | jetscreamer: yes, but it's a factoid additionnally |
| 02:54.00 | Azar | thanks :) |
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| 02:54.09 | jetscreamer | !worship dpl |
| 02:54.14 | dvs | Azar: Interested? |
| 02:54.30 | Azar | dvs, just reading some blogs ... |
| 02:54.46 | Azar | DD vs DPL :) |
| 02:55.27 | jetscreamer | once, in another chan, overfiend spoke, i didn't know he was there or even what channel i was replying in... i started to accuse him of being a fake overfiend |
| 02:55.58 | chealer9 | lordnazgul: what does $ dpkg -S /usr/bin/kdesktop_lock.orig; output? |
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| 02:56.38 | sparr | dpkg - warning: downgrading nvidia-glx from 1.0.8178-2 to 1.0.7676-2. <--- hooray |
| 02:57.04 | Azar | I guess Id make a lousy one since I am more for stability, and robustness of Debian than rush for the latest software screams around |
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| 02:57.06 | cricket | also, what are some good tools to apt-get to monitor and manage power for my laptop? |
| 02:57.18 | PerfDave | cricket: klaptopdaemon works for me |
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| 02:57.24 | beered | anyone knows of an app that can measure signal analysis (as in EMS etc)? |
| 02:57.38 | cricket | perf, k thnx |
| 02:57.41 | cricket | anybody tried kompose? |
| 02:57.47 | lordnazgul | chealer9 from /usr/bin/kdesktop_lock to /usr/bin/kdesktop_lock.orig |
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| 02:58.19 | chealer9 | cricket: which release? |
| 02:58.42 | chealer9 | !anybody |
| 02:58.42 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 02:59.32 | bernardo | Does anyone knows how to enable the "roll button" on the mouse?? |
| 02:59.45 | FliesLikeABrick | after upgrading to testing, every time I install something from apt I get many errors pertaining to locale.... stuff |
| 02:59.55 | cricket | chealer, how do u like it |
| 03:00.02 | cricket | i jsut read about it today searching for expose features in linux |
| 03:00.03 | dvs | bernardo: you have to use the Imps/2 driver first of all |
| 03:00.05 | curt | ha |
| 03:00.07 | curt | !overfiendsphallus |
| 03:00.07 | dpkg | Today will be a day long remembered. Today we launched the massive phallus Debian 2.0, a towering penis of software, larger than any other Linux distribution ever made. We Got the Big Dicks. |
| 03:00.10 | jetscreamer | FliesLikeABrick: dpkg-reconfigure locales && dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 03:00.16 | Stevie | what the fsck? |
| 03:00.24 | jetscreamer | !penixstrike curt |
| 03:00.24 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking curt to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 03:00.30 | bernardo | dvs: what u mean? |
| 03:00.35 | curt | haha |
| 03:00.47 | chealer9 | lordnazgul: then what does $ dpkg -S /usr/bin/kdesktop_lock.orig; output? |
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| 03:00.54 | sparr | my cdrom drive is stuck shut, so i have to reboot. perfect time to install new video card drivers |
| 03:01.06 | lordnazgul | sorry that was .orig |
| 03:01.08 | jetscreamer | sparr: umount -l i heard... never tried. |
| 03:01.08 | FliesLikeABrick | heh jetscreamer when it tries to reconfigure it, it looks like it is broke nor not installed properly |
| 03:01.12 | FliesLikeABrick | trying to fix/reinstall now |
| 03:01.13 | Azar | Baruch Even: The DPL is in effect (or at least in my eyes) a pure figurehead whose identity is mostly meaningless. :) |
| 03:01.17 | sparr | jetscreamer: yeah, didnt work |
| 03:01.35 | lordnazgul | chealer kdedesktop_lock is the reverse |
| 03:01.41 | dvs | bernardo: In the InputDevice portion in your /etc/X11/XFree86.conf file |
| 03:01.54 | chealer9 | lordnazgul: what? that's the output? |
| 03:01.55 | FliesLikeABrick | thanks for the tip that got me in the right direction jetscreamer |
| 03:02.05 | PerfDave | It's not like the identity of the DPL has any meaning for non-developers |
| 03:02.10 | bernardo | dvs: ok... what do I have to put there? |
| 03:02.18 | jetscreamer | np been there FliesLikeABrick |
| 03:02.30 | PerfDave | Though I liked Overfiend's style. Shame those monthly e-mails stopped happening though. |
| 03:02.32 | yawg | how would i go about changing the picture that gets displayed in the top left corner when debian is booting |
| 03:02.33 | dvs | bernardo: ImPS/2 for the Protocol option |
| 03:02.55 | dvs | bernardo: and add: Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" |
| 03:03.02 | nn- | yawg: are you talking about the boot logo? |
| 03:03.08 | yawg | nn-: yeah |
| 03:03.36 | nn- | yawg: there's a tool that allows creating custom boot logos, but you will have to recompile your kernel |
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| 03:03.56 | PerfDave | This DPL election is just boring though. I've seen a lot of waffle about it but still have no real idea who the DPL candidates are or what difference it'll make to Debian if any of them is elected over any of the others. Apart from the scary fucknut one. |
| 03:04.09 | bernardo | dvs: Im using a usb mouse...is that a problem? |
| 03:04.17 | nn- | yawg: imho it's a shame the boot logo is even turned on by default |
| 03:04.33 | nn- | already started a kml thread about this issue |
| 03:04.50 | PerfDave | Which Debian kernels have a boot logo? |
| 03:04.55 | abrotman | PerfDave: we need DPL deathmatch! |
| 03:05.24 | lordnazgul | chealer i posted outputs in flood |
| 03:05.32 | dvs | bernardo: shouldn't |
| 03:06.02 | curt | abrotman, put them in here on Sunday. The one who answers the most the fastest and correctly wins! |
| 03:06.07 | PerfDave | abrotman: Yes, we need our DPL candidates stripped to the waist and engaging in bare-knuckle fights in concrete pits in illegal Thai fighting dens, pounding each other into unconsciousness. |
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| 03:06.17 | bernardo | dvs: ok...i will try it, thanx a lot!! |
| 03:06.24 | dvs | bernardo: np |
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| 03:06.28 | PerfDave | abrotman: With legions of Debian developers as a baying audience, roused by the smell of blood in the air. |
| 03:06.42 | abrotman | curt: there is a debate tomorrow on IRC |
| 03:06.44 | chealer9 | lordnazgul: uh, what does $ ls -l /usr/bin/kdesktop_lock /usr/bin/kdesktop_lock.orig; output? |
| 03:06.54 | jvw | PerfDave: you're confusing Debian lists with Debian DPL elections, I'm afraid ;-) |
| 03:07.27 | nn- | yawg: did I answer you question? |
| 03:07.28 | abrotman | PerfDave: maybe more of a Highlander thing? .. |
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| 03:07.37 | abrotman | PerfDave: they can travel the globe hunting each other ... |
| 03:07.40 | signz | in etch, I see that SWAT thinks smdbd, nmbd are not running, however they are... SWAT shows active connections (and I can use them); is there a known problem with this or something? |
| 03:07.53 | curt | cut each others heads off, last one standing wins.. |
| 03:07.55 | PerfDave | abrotman: Nah, the new DPL can make use of his broken opponents as minions. |
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| 03:08.05 | PerfDave | signz: Have you checked the BTS? |
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| 03:08.19 | lordnazgul | chealer again in flood |
| 03:10.05 | a_dna | "Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" apt problem. Anyone? |
| 03:10.21 | abrotman | PerfDave: i like the highlander thing |
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| 03:10.42 | abrotman | a_dna: look a few lines up .. what's the error ? |
| 03:10.51 | a_dna | I seem to be in an infinite loop. |
| 03:11.17 | a_dna | Apt-get can't finish because of an unresolved dependency. |
| 03:11.27 | Stevie | which one? |
| 03:11.38 | FarSe3r | Hello, Anyone know how to find out the horizontal rate for a LCD display (laptop). I know my vertical is 60Hz in 1024x768. |
| 03:11.39 | a_dna | The dependency results in an error (1) |
| 03:12.06 | valdyn | a_dna: if you gave us the whole information isntead of random bits someone might be able to help you |
| 03:12.15 | nn- | FarSe3r: it is being calculated automatically |
| 03:12.28 | nn- | FarSe3r: just enter an arbitrary range |
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| 03:12.40 | jetscreamer | uh no |
| 03:12.46 | FarSe3r | nn-, ok so just any will do? |
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| 03:12.53 | nn- | FarSe3r: exactly |
| 03:12.56 | jetscreamer | just choose medium instead of advanced |
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| 03:13.05 | FarSe3r | nn-, ok |
| 03:13.15 | chealer9 | lordnazgul: what does $ apt-cache policy kdelock; output? |
| 03:13.19 | Stevie | choose medium if you want the pc to read your mind |
| 03:13.23 | J1 | Ahoy all. |
| 03:13.28 | Stevie | ahoy J1 |
| 03:13.31 | valdyn | FarSe3r: 1025*768*60 |
| 03:13.34 | dvs | J1: Ar me matey! |
| 03:13.36 | valdyn | FarSe3r: 1024*768*60 |
| 03:13.37 | jetscreamer | avast! arrrzgh! |
| 03:13.51 | FarSe3r | jetscreamer, well, i got my refresh rate to high then.. In windows it uses 60Hz for vertical, so I believe its the optimal rate |
| 03:13.56 | valdyn | FarSe3r: and device the result by 1000 to get the khz |
| 03:14.00 | valdyn | FarSe3r: and devide the result by 1000 to get the khz |
| 03:14.13 | jetscreamer | divide even |
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| 03:14.25 | FarSe3r | valdyn, damn! nice thanks man :P |
| 03:14.37 | lordnazgul | chealer package not found |
| 03:14.42 | curt | !(1024*768*60)/1000 |
| 03:14.42 | dpkg | 47185.919999999998 |
| 03:14.43 | a_dna | I can give you the specific details (openoffice.org -> bsh dependency) but its more of a general question |
| 03:14.59 | FarSe3r | curt, sweet :P |
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| 03:15.08 | jetscreamer | i don't think that's like right... ? |
| 03:15.14 | jetscreamer | 47185? |
| 03:15.15 | valdyn | yea its wrong |
| 03:15.19 | curt | look's kinda funny |
| 03:15.23 | valdyn | !1024*60/1000 |
| 03:15.23 | dpkg | 61.44 |
| 03:15.26 | Stevie | what the hell are you trying to do? |
| 03:15.28 | a_dna | if the dependency can't be met, it causes all other "apt-get install" processes to hang. |
| 03:15.34 | valdyn | FarSe3r: see that last calculation by dpkg |
| 03:15.34 | FarSe3r | hm... |
| 03:15.39 | nn- | FarSe3r: just enter 10-100 or 40-50 if you want and you will be fine off |
| 03:15.40 | jetscreamer | FarSe3r: google the monitor's model number |
| 03:15.41 | FarSe3r | valdyn, yeah |
| 03:15.48 | valdyn | FarSe3r: the first one i gave is the pixel frequency, which you dont need |
| 03:15.52 | jetscreamer | !hwinfo |
| 03:15.52 | dpkg | it has been said that hwinfo is your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
| 03:15.57 | Stevie | FarSe3r: Are you saying you can't read-edid ? |
| 03:15.57 | jetscreamer | ^^might not work |
| 03:16.04 | a_dna | How can I get apt to ignore the condition in its qeue that can't be met? |
| 03:16.14 | jetscreamer | oh apt-get install read-edid mdetect while you're at it |
| 03:16.15 | FarSe3r | jetscreamer, its a laptop. doesnt say. even wrote to compaq. they dont know :/ |
| 03:16.15 | abrotman | apt-get -f install |
| 03:16.34 | FarSe3r | Stevie, did it manually... |
| 03:16.37 | jetscreamer | FarSe3r: google the model number works best for me. it may not work. |
| 03:16.40 | Stevie | did what manually? |
| 03:16.47 | jetscreamer | apt-get install read-edid mdetect hwinfo |
| 03:16.52 | a_dna | Right -f install just repeats that there's an error returned |
| 03:17.07 | a_dna | hence the infinite loop |
| 03:17.14 | chealer9 | lordnazgul: dpkg is seriously hurt. consider reinstalling Etch |
| 03:17.17 | Stevie | a_dna: did you notice what someone said about the 'bits and pieces'? |
| 03:17.17 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 03:17.17 | dpkg | well, fix-unmet is run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once. then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, don't edit sources, don't select anything, just go to option 2 and hit enter a lot |
| 03:17.20 | FarSe3r | jetscreamer, thanks |
| 03:17.30 | valdyn | oo |
| 03:17.44 | valdyn | !768*60/1000 |
| 03:17.44 | dpkg | 46.08 |
| 03:18.06 | jetscreamer | ah you do it for 1024 and then you do it for 768? |
| 03:18.10 | a_dna | Thanks. I'll try that. |
| 03:18.13 | lordnazgul | chealer thats unpleasant. thx for your help. never seen the apt-cache policy before what does that one do, for future reference. |
| 03:18.20 | valdyn | jetscreamer: yea, 1024 was bullshit again |
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| 03:18.48 | FarSe3r | valdyn, ah ok. you calculate each one separately :) |
| 03:19.13 | chealer9 | lordnazgul: man apt-cache, try it with an installed package |
| 03:19.13 | nn- | what's the point in calculation the h-refresh manually? i dont get it.. |
| 03:19.18 | valdyn | jetscreamer: as that is a horizontal line, which has no limit hard limit |
| 03:19.23 | nn- | /ion/ing/ |
| 03:19.36 | lordnazgul | chealer lol i should have expected that touche |
| 03:19.47 | FarSe3r | valdyn, thanks a lot! :D |
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| 03:20.13 | a_dna | FarSe3r: Why not just Google the specs on your monitor? |
| 03:20.21 | Stevie | or hell |
| 03:20.22 | Stevie | read-edid |
| 03:20.28 | valdyn | nn-: read-edid doesnt work on all systems, and hardware specs arent that easy to get |
| 03:20.33 | Stevie | is there ANYTHING that's less than 10 years old that doesn't support it? |
| 03:20.47 | FarSe3r | a_dna, its a laptop. the manufactor doesnt even have the specs for refresh rates :/ |
| 03:21.05 | Stevie | FarSe3r: What laptop model? |
| 03:21.05 | a_dna | drag. |
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| 03:21.24 | FarSe3r | Stevie, Presario M2201EA |
| 03:21.35 | jocat | Ahoy. |
| 03:21.53 | FarSe3r | but I got it now :) with some nice calculations |
| 03:22.09 | abrotman | damn canadians .. shoot everything |
| 03:22.09 | jocat | Yarg. |
| 03:22.19 | jocat | Yarr + args. |
| 03:22.36 | dvs | WE'RE the trigger happy ones?!? |
| 03:22.54 | jocat | In any case, has anyone here gotten the Chaintech (nForce 4 chipset) onboard ethernet card to work? |
| 03:22.59 | dvs | Most of our triggers don't work |
| 03:23.15 | jocat | Doesn't look like nVidia provides drivers for the new ones. |
| 03:23.23 | kspath | or blind from drinking Molson? |
| 03:23.23 | Stevie | that's a strange model number, FarSe3r |
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| 03:23.33 | Stevie | FarSe3r: Is that what's printed on the case? |
| 03:23.34 | nn- | valdyn: isn't h-refresh is already defined by res. & v-refresh |
| 03:23.34 | FarSe3r | valdyn, why was 1024 bullshit? didn't get that... |
| 03:23.39 | jocat | VNF4 Ultra. |
| 03:23.44 | nn- | valdyn: ? |
| 03:24.06 | FarSe3r | Stevie, Presario M2000. Those other numbers are just to be more specific on the hardware... |
| 03:24.30 | valdyn | FarSe3r: you have 1024 pixels from left to right, there's no hard limit on the pixels you can send to your display from left to right, so that value is irrelevant. So i corrected myself to use the number of display lines instead, which will give what you need |
| 03:24.33 | Apogee[] | IA64 machines are INTEL and AMD with 64bits ? |
| 03:24.44 | dvs | Apogee[]: nope |
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| 03:24.53 | dvs | Apogee[]: You're looking for amd64 |
| 03:25.12 | Stevie | FarSe3r: What do they mean? |
| 03:25.16 | Apogee[] | no, just like to know what is IA64 |
| 03:25.17 | jocat | So. I tried using the NFORCE-x86-i386.run, but it keeps asking where my kernel sources are. I tell it where my kernel sources are and it asks for my source tree. Any suggestions? |
| 03:25.25 | nn- | valdyn: why use a calculator when x can do the math? |
| 03:25.31 | kspath | It is confusing because IA32 is often used for non-Intel procs |
| 03:25.33 | Apogee[] | INTEL 64 is supported by Linux ? |
| 03:25.41 | valdyn | nn-: it can? how? |
| 03:25.42 | prolific | Anybody having problems on SID using the latest firefox? It dies upon viewing .swf's and other types of content, but it happens fairly often |
| 03:25.45 | jocat | If I've compiled and installed the kernel from source (keeping the source) what am I missing? |
| 03:25.59 | valdyn | nn-: it can use read-edid or take hard values, it does not calculate this for you |
| 03:26.00 | prolific | Just freezes, doesn't actually close immediately like some bugs |
| 03:26.02 | dvs | Apogee[]: The kernel, yes. Debian distro, not officially yet. |
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| 03:26.27 | FarSe3r | valdyn, ah ok and that was 46.08 :) great 46Khz and 60Hz, problem solved ! :P |
| 03:26.35 | Apogee[] | dvs: so one day with exist a AMD64 distro and a INTEL64? |
| 03:26.41 | valdyn | FarSe3r: dont round this down |
| 03:26.44 | lordnazgul | chealer thx for your time im out |
| 03:26.44 | jocat | It makes my head a splode. |
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| 03:26.47 | valdyn | FarSe3r: round it up |
| 03:26.53 | dvs | Apogee[]: No, just an amd64 which will work on both |
| 03:27.06 | valdyn | FarSe3r: 46.08 would be out of the spec if you specify 46 |
| 03:27.24 | kspath | valdyn: *60 for 60Hz? |
| 03:27.31 | valdyn | FarSe3r: and use a range, not a fixed value |
| 03:27.32 | Apogee[] | dvs: so. Is AMD64 a new architeture? |
| 03:27.38 | jetscreamer | just redo it and choose medium not advanced |
| 03:27.40 | Virtual | what other dvd/cd writing utility is their beside k3b ? |
| 03:27.42 | Apogee[] | dvs: compatible with x86.. |
| 03:27.42 | valdyn | FarSe3r: 30-47 and maybe 60-70 |
| 03:27.42 | dvs | Apogee[]: Yes. |
| 03:27.57 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 03:27.57 | dpkg | from memory, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 03:27.59 | FarSe3r | valdyn, ok thanks |
| 03:28.02 | Apogee[] | dvs: its good for AMD and bad for INTEL? |
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| 03:28.19 | nn- | valdyn: then how does my system work with "HorizSync 30.0 - 60.0" if i dont have read-edid installed? |
| 03:28.23 | Apogee[] | dpkg: its good for AMD and bad for INTEL? |
| 03:28.31 | abrotman | dpkg: what are you |
| 03:28.31 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 03:29.15 | valdyn | nn-: and you arent specifying a vertical sync rate? |
| 03:29.36 | Stevie | FarSe3r: I'm having trouble figuring out exactly which LCD is in your machine |
| 03:29.40 | valdyn | nn-: X does not even have the information required to calculate the vertical sync rate limits with just this |
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| 03:29.44 | nn- | valdyn: of course i do, 60hz |
| 03:30.55 | kspath | ? |
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| 03:31.36 | nn- | valdyn: so where's the need to enter an exact hsync value in FarSe3r's case? i still don't get it |
| 03:31.37 | FarSe3r | Stevie, yeah I had that problem myself too ;) as I said, I even wrote to a technician at compaq for those values.... 2201EA is whats on the sticky under it. and M2000 is printed on the screen... |
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| 03:32.29 | Stevie | FarSe3r: But nn raises a point. Pixel clocks only really matter for CRTs |
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| 03:32.56 | valdyn | nn-: you entered it too |
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| 03:33.05 | FarSe3r | nn-, autodetection got me into too high.. blurry screen. and had to use the vesa driver at first... |
| 03:33.27 | nn- | yawg: i entered what? a hsync range? |
| 03:33.39 | nn- | valdyn: : i entered what? a hsync range? |
| 03:33.43 | valdyn | nn-: if not manually then you used auto detection or specified one of the possible 'standard' display specs |
| 03:33.49 | valdyn | nn-: yea |
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| 03:34.45 | nn- | valdyn: but that hsync range is totally arbitrary, it would work with 0-10000 as well |
| 03:35.26 | valdyn | nn-: only as long as you use a suitable display mode coincidentally |
| 03:35.48 | valdyn | nn-: but it would permit you to use some crazy impossible value that could break your display hardware |
| 03:35.51 | arnd__ | cu. n8 |
| 03:36.10 | nn- | valdyn: my hardware is already broken, so where's the problem |
| 03:36.25 | nn- | it's all broken |
| 03:36.30 | valdyn | nn-: now you're trolling, no point asnwering that ) |
| 03:37.17 | FarSe3r | so hsync 0-10000, and vsync 60-70 @ 1024x768, ... hm.. no wounder nn- your hardware is broken ;) |
| 03:37.52 | valdyn | Stevie: CRTs dont really care about pixel freq either, though you wont be able to visually notice a difference above the maximum |
| 03:37.54 | nn- | valdyn: i don't know what to say if you are claiming that vsync=60 & res=1024x768 are "coincidentally suitable" |
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| 03:38.20 | dondelelcaro | !+status |
| 03:38.20 | dpkg | Since Thu Mar 9 03:37:47 2006, there have been 0 modifications, 0 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 0 commands. I have been awake for 33s this session, and currently reference 33943 factoids. I'm using about 13536 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 2.98/0.12 child 0.01/0.02 |
| 03:38.31 | a_dna | Thanks, generous people. |
| 03:38.32 | FarSe3r | nn-, for LCD it looks very nice |
| 03:38.36 | abrotman | yay .. dpkg is fixed! |
| 03:38.40 | valdyn | nn-: yea, they are, if you use a range out of spec then you _can_ switch to a display mode out of spec, which is dangerous |
| 03:38.47 | kspath | !moron |
| 03:38.48 | dpkg | [moron] someone that types long lines starting with "dpkg", or a person whose brain needs to be on more |
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| 03:39.03 | nn- | yes very dangerous |
| 03:39.18 | |45| | hello all. |
| 03:39.32 | litage | if you have 1 onboard (eth0) and 1 PCI (eth1) NIC, and for eth1 ifconfig says "Link encap=UNSPEC" and the HWAddr is messed up (10+ character pairs instead of 6 pairs), what should you do to fix the problem? |
| 03:39.35 | valdyn | nn-: kind of silly to be able to break your system with ctrl-alt-+ |
| 03:39.36 | FarSe3r | well thanks guys, now i'll go configure my screen :) |
| 03:39.49 | kspath | I messed up an old monitor long ago by messing with freq crap |
| 03:39.52 | abrotman | valdyn: give me some! |
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| 03:40.13 | |45| | how can i setup wireless lan in debian? |
| 03:40.38 | abrotman | does the wifi card work? |
| 03:40.43 | |45| | yeah |
| 03:40.54 | |45| | im on it now |
| 03:40.56 | kspath | Is your tin foil hat on? |
| 03:40.57 | abrotman | so what doesn't work? |
| 03:41.10 | |45| | how do i setupid wlan in ? |
| 03:41.20 | abrotman | huh? |
| 03:41.40 | |45| | never |
| 03:41.45 | kspath | mind |
| 03:42.14 | |45| | how do i set it up |
| 03:42.25 | abrotman | set what part of it up? |
| 03:42.36 | |45| | abrotman part 1 |
| 03:42.44 | ke6isf | !wireless |
| 03:42.45 | dpkg | The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux, or try asking #wireless |
| 03:42.50 | |45| | yay |
| 03:42.53 | abrotman | iwconfig ? |
| 03:42.56 | valdyn | |45|: first plug in your wireless interface hardware |
| 03:42.57 | abrotman | wtf is part 1? |
| 03:43.12 | kspath | abrotman: the part after part 0 |
| 03:43.18 | valdyn | ( or should we start with accquirign the computer? |
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| 03:43.36 | ke6isf | valdyn: Is it plugged in/turned on? =^_^= |
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| 03:44.03 | |45| | valdyn, im talking about where is the wireless lan card located |
| 03:44.18 | abrotman | in your machine hopefully |
| 03:44.20 | valdyn | |45|: in a shop before you buy it |
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| 03:44.37 | |45| | its already bought an in the computer |
| 03:45.01 | ke6isf | !tell |45| -about wireless |
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| 03:45.33 | |45| | it doesnt have my card in it |
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| 03:46.31 | wireddd | what kind of card is it? |
| 03:47.04 | |45| | nm is there |
| 03:47.10 | |45| | belkin wireless g desktop ... |
| 03:47.15 | |45| | rt2570 |
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| 03:49.44 | malt578 | tribes |
| 03:49.44 | malt578 | [22:23:56] [@[JAPS]unkn0wn] with jetpacks |
| 03:49.44 | malt578 | [22:24:56] [&[JAPS]malt] [JAPS]unkn0wn what is it about |
| 03:49.51 | malt578 | sorry wrong paste |
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| 03:50.09 | malt578 | Hello, I was wondering is it hard to install cpanel with ubuntu? |
| 03:50.22 | abrotman | ask #ubuntu |
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| 03:51.26 | malt578 | abrotman i did |
| 03:51.32 | malt578 | no answer |
| 03:51.32 | abrotman | so ask them again |
| 03:51.39 | abrotman | this is the wrong channel for ubuntu support |
| 03:51.53 | malt578 | isnt ubuntu debian? |
| 03:51.56 | abrotman | NO |
| 03:52.52 | malt578 | Hello, I was wondering is it hard to install cpanel with linux? |
| 03:53.01 | dondelelcaro | malt578: uh... try again. |
| 03:53.12 | ke6isf | !ubuntu |
| 03:53.13 | dpkg | somebody said ubuntu was not Debian. See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian.. |
| 03:53.14 | abrotman | that's bravery |
| 03:53.43 | dondelelcaro | malt578: you can just apt-get install cpanel; if you want the one that we actually distribute. If you want the proprietary one, it's expensive, and they have paid support to guide you through the process. |
| 03:53.43 | ke6isf | malt578: The only help you'll get here is "Install Debian". |
| 03:53.44 | stoned | ubuntu is debian based, but it isn't debian itself |
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| 03:54.00 | ke6isf | !based on debian |
| 03:54.00 | dpkg | Sorry you're not running Debian, but something based off of it. If you're lucky you might get help in #debian and if you are extremely lucky it might even solve your problem, otherwise your best bet is to use the support channel for your chosen distro. If people tell you to go there, please don't argue/complain or demand support |
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| 03:54.31 | wireddd | malt578, you should try debian! |
| 03:54.44 | wireddd | I hear it has a better support channel |
| 03:54.46 | malt578 | well im new to linux just trying to learn to what one is most easy to use debian or ubuntu? |
| 03:54.48 | stoned | debian is better than anything debian based |
| 03:55.00 | ke6isf | malt578: Debian. But, we're biased. =^_^= |
| 03:55.04 | stoned | i guess once you get used to debian its hard going to something that does things differently |
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| 03:55.27 | stoned | i tried ubuntu a few times and i was like man fuck this |
| 03:55.32 | stoned | pardon the french |
| 03:55.47 | ke6isf | You know, I just realized that this is the most common thing we get told when Ubuntoids come in here - #ubuntu doesn't answer questions. |
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| 03:55.57 | stoned | ubuntu doesn't |
| 03:56.02 | stoned | most of the idiots there don't know much |
| 03:56.02 | nicolas__ | hi everyone |
| 03:56.21 | jetscreamer | go hang in #ubuntu and see why... no real help, just a few ppl who know wtf they're doing |
| 03:56.27 | stoned | I mean if you go hang there its mostly windows noobs trying out ubuntu (no disrespect meant) |
| 03:56.35 | jetscreamer | jinx |
| 03:56.37 | stoned | heh |
| 03:56.42 | dondelelcaro | folks, ubuntu and by extension #ubuntu is pretty much OT here. |
| 03:56.51 | stoned | OT |
| 03:56.55 | tobehz | offtopic |
| 03:56.59 | jetscreamer | other topic |
| 03:57.00 | stoned | oh lol |
| 03:57.02 | stoned | i shoulda known that |
| 03:57.18 | dooglus | which package(s) should I install to get a GNOME desktop system? I installed 'gnome', but noticed I don't have "locales". is there a meta package I'm missing which would pull in 'locales' and everything else I need? |
| 03:57.18 | tobehz | heh |
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| 03:57.34 | jetscreamer | how can you not have locales |
| 03:57.39 | dondelelcaro | dooglus: not really, if you use the desktop task you would have gotten all of that, though. |
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| 03:57.43 | stoned | dooglus, gnome-core for basic gnome without frills, apt-get install gnome for the whole DE |
| 03:57.55 | nicolas__ | yesterday i talked about sshd who were crashing the computer when a client connection timeouts, and tried disabling KeepAlive options in sshd_config but in vain, and also, the strace on the sshd pid has not printed anything when crashing my whole system, does anyone has another clue ? |
| 03:58.06 | dooglus | stoned: I installed 'gnome', but that doesn't depend on locales. |
| 03:58.14 | stoned | dooglus, try installing locales |
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| 03:58.20 | dondelelcaro | nicolas__: uh... sshd shouldn't be able to "crash the computer" |
| 03:58.21 | jetscreamer | apt-get insat.... nm^^ |
| 03:58.29 | nicolas__ | dondelelcaro: i know, but it does |
| 03:58.30 | Acid`X | anyone knows how can i add shadows and transparency to windows in gnome? |
| 03:58.32 | dondelelcaro | dooglus: it won't, because it doesn't depend on locales... |
| 03:58.43 | dooglus | stoned: I could, but I wonder what else I'm missing... what usually causes locales to get installed?? |
| 03:58.50 | jetscreamer | isn't locales like important or something? |
| 03:58.58 | jetscreamer | installing debian usually does it |
| 03:58.59 | stoned | dooglus, why wonder when you can just fix it |
| 03:59.04 | nicolas__ | dondelelcaro: the only way to keep my computer running for a week is to keep the ssh service shutted |
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| 03:59.16 | dooglus | jetscreamer: it's "standard" |
| 03:59.30 | Nopalin | hey, what module i need to compile for enable beep on my debian vox? |
| 03:59.31 | jetscreamer | touch /etc/ssh/sshd_not_to_be_run |
| 03:59.32 | Nopalin | box? |
| 03:59.38 | Stevie | locales is only important if you want stuff to look right |
| 03:59.41 | dondelelcaro | dooglus: very few things actually depend on it, because most things don't actually use it. |
| 03:59.52 | nicolas__ | jetscreamer: well, i need it to be enabled |
| 03:59.54 | jetscreamer | maybe just modprobe pc_speaker or pcspeaker |
| 03:59.56 | stoned | dooglus, locales and actually lots of other packages don't get installed by default if you do an expert install |
| 03:59.57 | dooglus | dondelelcaro: what is the "desktop task"? |
| 04:00.02 | jetscreamer | tasksel |
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| 04:00.10 | dooglus | stoned: I installed using "debootstrap" |
| 04:00.32 | stoned | dooglus, what distro? and what did you do after it installed? did you pick install Desktop Env. during setup tasks? |
| 04:00.34 | dondelelcaro | dooglus: well, then you don't have anything but the packages you installed with debootstrap. If you're using debootstrap, you're kind of expected to be able to select the right packages. |
| 04:00.38 | jetscreamer | did i type that? |
| 04:00.51 | jetscreamer | hmmm.... musta been subconcious... |
| 04:00.55 | dondelelcaro | dooglus: alternatively, you can use aptitude, which can select recommended packages (and quite a few things should recommend locales) |
| 04:01.02 | wireddd | I don't like dselect or tasksel, I prefer to just build it up with apt as I need to |
| 04:01.23 | jetscreamer | and when apt-get -f install 'doesn't work'(tm) ? |
| 04:01.25 | stoned | wireddd, I would suggest that as well |
| 04:01.29 | stoned | just apt-get whateve ryou need |
| 04:01.44 | dondelelcaro | s/apt-get/aptitude/ |
| 04:01.47 | stoned | jetscreamer, then we resort to other tools |
| 04:01.50 | nicolas__ | is there an alternative to ssh? |
| 04:01.57 | nicolas__ | except telnet |
| 04:02.03 | nicolas__ | i mean, a newer alternative |
| 04:02.03 | dondelelcaro | nicolas__: your alternative is to figure out why sshd is dying on you. |
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| 04:02.24 | dondelelcaro | nicolas__: you've basically got a kernel bug which is being triggered by sshd, or you've got faulty hardware. |
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| 04:02.29 | nicolas__ | dondelelcaro: what else than strace can i do ? |
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| 04:02.37 | stoned | hey guys, I just found this thing on google, 3rd party debian etch installer thing for packages called Automatix |
| 04:02.37 | nicolas__ | i tried different kernels |
| 04:02.39 | stoned | whats the word on it? |
| 04:02.40 | belracu | planning to get AMD 64 Mother board ... any suggestions ? |
| 04:02.43 | nicolas__ | differents sshd version |
| 04:02.52 | jetscreamer | wonder what your nic is doing... got another? |
| 04:02.56 | nicolas__ | i really dont know for now where to begin to search |
| 04:03.13 | nicolas__ | jetscreamer: it worked well for 2 years with sarge |
| 04:03.14 | dondelelcaro | nicolas__: you can turn on magic sysreq and see exactly where the kernel is failing, you can see if your memory is bad by compiling multiple times, you can replace your nic, you can enable coredumps and killall -CORE sshd |
| 04:03.23 | dondelelcaro | nicolas__: then continue using sarge. |
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| 04:03.36 | nicolas__ | normally a etch bug can be fixed no? |
| 04:03.42 | hatake_kakashi | belracu: if you are going to do alot of unplugging PS/2 mouse/keyboad, you might want to steer clear of Asus motherboards, they have weak PS/2 ports |
| 04:03.47 | dondelelcaro | nicolas__: it can, but you're not seeing just a bug in sshd. |
| 04:03.59 | hatake_kakashi | s/keyboad/keyboard |
| 04:04.06 | dondelelcaro | nicolas__: an application like sshd failing should never, ever take down the box. |
| 04:04.19 | wireddd | nicolas__, I sounds to me like you have some hardware that is failing |
| 04:04.19 | lightcap | if a bridge device is put in promisc mode will it automatically transfer any packets it knows how to route by ethernet address? |
| 04:04.20 | dondelelcaro | (and moreover, it's a bug that no one else is seeing) |
| 04:04.31 | nicolas__ | ill try with that magic sysrq but i dont think itll work if the numlocks and caplocks dont even work |
| 04:04.34 | ke6isf | nicolas__: Have you checked the power supply? |
| 04:04.35 | lightcap | I'm having a helluva time with a sarge uml install |
| 04:04.38 | nicolas__ | its really a total hardlock |
| 04:04.48 | dondelelcaro | nicolas__: right, which should clue you into the fact that it's a kernel bug. |
| 04:04.56 | dondelelcaro | (or a hardware problem) |
| 04:05.00 | jetscreamer | or hardware |
| 04:05.02 | jetscreamer | jinx |
| 04:05.24 | nicolas__ | the fact that i used sarge without any problems a month ago isnt a proof that there is no hardware problem? |
| 04:05.30 | dondelelcaro | nicolas__: no. |
| 04:05.34 | belracu | hatake_kakashi, yes i agree i recently got a ASUS Socket 939 and it bios sucks |
| 04:05.35 | curt | I use ssh/scp all the time in etch .. no problems |
| 04:05.38 | ke6isf | nicolas__: Hardware goes bad. It just happens. |
| 04:05.38 | dondelelcaro | nicolas__: machines fail all the time. |
| 04:05.40 | dooglus | stoned: I didn't see anywhere where I could select 'desktop env'. I installed 'gnome' is all, so far. I ran debootstrap in ubuntu. |
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| 04:06.11 | stoned | dooglus, lol |
| 04:06.17 | stoned | dooglus, good luck finding help here now |
| 04:06.26 | dondelelcaro | nicolas__: if you're seeing the same bug on a different system, that may be interesting... but I'd probably bet that if you ripped the drive out and stuck it in a similar box, it would magically start working again. |
| 04:06.30 | ke6isf | dooglus: Ask in #ubuntu. |
| 04:06.42 | hatake_kakashi | belracu: apart from that I do not know which one I could recommend. I am trying out MSI motherboard. I heard DFI is somewhat overrated and requires several reconfigurations before everything would be running smoothly |
| 04:06.42 | wireddd | nicolas__, what happends if you ifdown eth0 and then start sshd? |
| 04:06.46 | dooglus | ke6isf: this has nothing to do with ubuntu |
| 04:06.52 | nicolas__ | wireddd: ok wait a sec |
| 04:06.53 | dondelelcaro | dooglus: sure it does. |
| 04:06.59 | nicolas__ | well a minute |
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| 04:07.03 | dondelelcaro | dooglus: the default package set is totally different between ubuntu and Debian. |
| 04:07.09 | hatake_kakashi | AOpen seems nice however I do not know if their current spec mobos are really good. |
| 04:07.12 | meriad__ | anyone know how to increase the maximum size of file allowed to be sent with bitchx? |
| 04:07.26 | stoned | dooglus, are you running debian or ubuntu? |
| 04:07.39 | jetscreamer | but didn't he say he did debootstrap, FROM ubuntu, TO debian? |
| 04:07.42 | dondelelcaro | meriad__: if it's big enough to matter, dcc is the wrong thing to be using to send it, because dcc generally doesn't fallback |
| 04:07.56 | stoned | dooglus, if you are trying to ask for gnome package help concerning ubuntu, don't. if its on a debian box, then sure |
| 04:07.59 | dooglus | stoned: I just set up a debian partition. I didn't boot into it yet. |
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| 04:08.07 | nicolas__ | wireddd: nothing |
| 04:08.11 | ke6isf | dooglus: Boot into the Debian partition and then we'll help you. |
| 04:08.14 | wireddd | it doesn't crash? |
| 04:08.21 | nicolas__ | no |
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| 04:08.27 | dooglus | stoned: I'm currently booted into ubuntu, and chroot'ed into debian. |
| 04:08.35 | stoned | dooglus, why don't you just make a partition, install debian, and use grub to boot ubuntu AND debian if you want to, but only debian here though |
| 04:08.40 | jetscreamer | jesus |
| 04:08.42 | wireddd | then something is wrong with your network card |
| 04:08.51 | ke6isf | dooglus: Which means you're running Ubuntu. |
| 04:08.55 | jetscreamer | jesus |
| 04:08.56 | dondelelcaro | dooglus: ok, then run aptitude or tasksel and select the desktop task if you want everything. |
| 04:08.59 | dooglus | stoned: that's exactly what I've done. |
| 04:09.00 | dondelelcaro | ke6isf: that's not necessary. |
| 04:09.04 | jetscreamer | dondelelcaro++ |
| 04:09.11 | nicolas__ | wireddd: like what ? |
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| 04:09.33 | nicolas__ | its an onboard VIA nic |
| 04:09.35 | nubs123456 | !list |
| 04:09.35 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to nubs123456@is.a.fucktard.com |
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| 04:09.49 | wireddd | lol |
| 04:09.49 | jetscreamer | !scyld |
| 04:09.49 | dpkg | somebody said scyld was see http://scyld.com/network.html for current NIC drivers for VIA Rhine, Tulip, NE2000, RealTek rtl8139, 3Com Vortex, etc, etc... If you have problems getting your NIC to work under Linux this would probably be one of the first places to check out (the latest versions of these drivers are often _not_ found in the latest Linux kernels)!, for build/usage instructions also see "building scyld". see "using scyld". |
| 04:09.58 | nubs123456 | @tearfate |
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| 04:10.18 | nicolas__ | thats weird |
| 04:10.23 | nicolas__ | i never needed that |
| 04:10.48 | nicolas__ | you consider this as having a problem getting my card work ? |
| 04:10.54 | jetscreamer | no |
| 04:10.55 | stoned | dooglus, all you have to do is to make a parittion for debian. Use netinstall or a debian cd to run the debian installer. Install debian, but do NOT let it write grub to the boot record. Then just when its done, reboot into ubuntu, go to the menu.lst for grub, and add an entry for your debian's / (root) parition and specify where the kernel/initrd are, and then just boot debian and use it. or get rid of ubuntu and just use debian. |
| 04:10.57 | ke6isf | ...what is tearfate? =O.o= |
| 04:11.00 | dooglus | 'tasksel' was the command I was looking for. thanks dondelelcaro. |
| 04:11.06 | jetscreamer | i got confused nm |
| 04:11.19 | curt | tearfate is a user? |
| 04:11.25 | jetscreamer | dooglus i said tasksel way up there |
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| 04:11.28 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 04:11.34 | ke6isf | curt: No, referring to the warez d00d's attempt at pulling tearfate from apt. |
| 04:11.44 | wireddd | nicolas__, does eth0 work properly when sshd is not running? |
| 04:12.05 | ke6isf | curt: ...or something. |
| 04:12.24 | nicolas__ | wireddd: yes |
| 04:12.36 | nicolas__ | the only problem i have is with sshd |
| 04:12.51 | curt | not sure what that is |
| 04:12.54 | curt | [tearfate] (i=WinXP@60.52.45.175): tearfate.mine.nu |
| 04:12.54 | wireddd | what else do you have that is listening? |
| 04:13.01 | dooglus | jetscreamer: you said "tasksel" on its own, without putting my name in front of it. I didn't know you were talking to me. |
| 04:13.09 | jetscreamer | sorry :/ |
| 04:13.14 | nicolas__ | wireddd: apache2, im using mindterm as my ssh client |
| 04:13.15 | dooglus | :) |
| 04:13.16 | stoned | thats right |
| 04:13.19 | dooglus | thanks anyway. |
| 04:13.21 | stoned | better be sorry, foo' |
| 04:13.23 | stoned | :) |
| 04:13.49 | stoned | i should eat |
| 04:13.52 | stoned | but first i shall smoke |
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| 04:14.07 | stoned | dude |
| 04:14.12 | stoned | what is clam chowder |
| 04:14.19 | stoned | i never knew |
| 04:14.31 | stoned | its got like potatoes and some creamy sauce |
| 04:14.40 | stoned | whats clam? oyster? |
| 04:14.50 | ke6isf | stoned: ...ask wikipedia. And clam is clam. Oyster is different. |
| 04:14.53 | stoned | i could look i tup, but im lazy |
| 04:14.56 | jetscreamer | there is new england clam chowder and newyork clam chowder |
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| 04:15.05 | jetscreamer | the new england is white, and i like it |
| 04:15.14 | ke6isf | jetscreamer: No, no, no. New York "clam chowder" is not clam chowder. It is clamato soup. |
| 04:15.16 | stoned | i like potato salad |
| 04:15.18 | jetscreamer | ny is like orange colored iirc |
| 04:15.21 | wireddd | nicolas__, if you have another nic you could test it with, that would tell you if it is infact the nic |
| 04:15.22 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 04:15.50 | jetscreamer | then you will maybe like NE chowder |
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| 04:15.59 | nicolas__ | wireddd: no, but i got my old sarge backup on another hd, that would proof the same fact, no? |
| 04:16.10 | wireddd | not really |
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| 04:16.22 | jetscreamer | yes when you order clams in a restraunt they bring you oysters... |
| 04:16.38 | wireddd | via chips tend to do very strange things sometimes. |
| 04:16.38 | nicolas__ | this would proof this is a debian problem no? |
| 04:16.48 | nicolas__ | hrm |
| 04:17.13 | jetscreamer | you would have to put the backup on the same hd to be totally positive |
| 04:17.20 | jetscreamer | what if it was your hd? |
| 04:17.43 | nicolas__ | jetscreamer: my pc will never crash is there is not timeoutted clients on sshd |
| 04:17.47 | ke6isf | jetscreamer: Yes, absolutely positively. There's also a RI clam chowder, which is as I understand it basically NY clam chowder without the tomato. |
| 04:18.07 | nicolas__ | s/is/if |
| 04:18.14 | wireddd | for example I have this via motherboard that will not turn on if I put a via 4 usb card in it, both the motherboard and the 4port usb card work fine, but together I can |
| 04:18.23 | wireddd | t even turn the box on |
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| 04:18.35 | alaric435 | hello |
| 04:18.47 | nicolas__ | wireddd: this is much more normal than my problem |
| 04:18.53 | alaric435 | Uhm, I don't have apt-setup, something new...? |
| 04:19.08 | nicolas__ | crashing a computer cannot be a normal operation for a program |
| 04:19.13 | dooglus | sounds like "clam" is a catch-all term for any 2-shelled shellfish which isn't a mussel, oyster, or scallop. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clam ) |
| 04:19.14 | alaric435 | running amd64 etch |
| 04:19.17 | jetscreamer | nicolas__: just a wild thought, have you --purged ssh and reinstalled? |
| 04:19.25 | jetscreamer | just for shits |
| 04:19.26 | nicolas__ | jetscreamer: of course, a couple of times |
| 04:19.28 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 04:19.33 | nicolas__ | jetscreamer: tried sid version and sarge version |
| 04:19.42 | nicolas__ | in vain |
| 04:19.52 | jetscreamer | and kernels? |
| 04:20.02 | nicolas__ | 2.6.15 generic and from source |
| 04:20.07 | ke6isf | dooglus: I'm not sure it's a catch-all, but more a specific species of mollusk. |
| 04:20.08 | nicolas__ | 2.6.14, generic and from source |
| 04:20.25 | nicolas__ | i wanted to try 2.6.8 but dont know why the make menuconfig wont show up |
| 04:20.56 | nicolas__ | no stack trace on sshd pid when it crashes the computer |
| 04:20.57 | jetscreamer | so see if it does it with some livecd maybe |
| 04:20.57 | alaric435 | What I'm having, is I'm trying to install gnome-environment, and it says 'depends on " " but it is not going to be installed |
| 04:20.58 | nicolas__ | thats weird |
| 04:21.07 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 04:21.07 | dpkg | somebody said fix-unmet was run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once. then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, don't edit sources, don't select anything, just go to option 2 and hit enter a lot |
| 04:21.18 | nicolas__ | jetscreamer: is there an etch livecd ? |
| 04:21.39 | jetscreamer | i usually recommend #kanotix for a livecd, there are many other good ones |
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| 04:22.09 | jetscreamer | many^10000 |
| 04:22.13 | nicolas__ | jetscreamer: it works well with my sarge install |
| 04:22.34 | jetscreamer | aha! it's udev again! |
| 04:22.42 | dooglus | ke6isf: the wikipedia page says "The term "clam" has no taxonomic significance in biology" |
| 04:22.47 | jetscreamer | udev is the root of all evil |
| 04:22.56 | nicolas__ | jetscreamer: really? |
| 04:23.01 | jetscreamer | (no) |
| 04:23.17 | ke6isf | dooglus: Interesting. Methinks I shall have a read. |
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| 04:23.39 | jetscreamer | well seriously, i don't know but i detest udev and i know it does things to /dev so maybe some wild blind change |
| 04:23.41 | jetscreamer | chance |
| 04:23.57 | dooglus | methinks I shall have a reboot. hopefully the next time you hear from me I will be rid of my dirty ubuntu past. |
| 04:24.13 | jetscreamer | install yaird, remove udev, if you want to test. install yaird first though. not at same time. |
| 04:24.22 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 04:24.32 | nicolas__ | yaird is a replacement for udev ? |
| 04:24.51 | alaric435 | uhm, yeah I think I don't have the right repositiories, and I do not have apt-setup, I even tried installing base-config but that didn't work either... |
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| 04:25.23 | jetscreamer | no it's an alternative mkinitrd tool... but removing udev will take mkinitrdtools which wil take your kernel i think... i forget what it takes, but it's not a good thing (tm) |
| 04:25.26 | alaric435 | the command is base-config right? |
| 04:25.45 | jetscreamer | there si base-config and tasksel |
| 04:25.50 | jetscreamer | s/si/is/ |
| 04:26.05 | jetscreamer | baseconfig does more, and includes tasksel iirc |
| 04:26.05 | nicolas__ | jetscreamer: if im using a home-build kernel its ok? |
| 04:26.14 | nicolas__ | im not using a ram disk |
| 04:26.20 | nvz | man, everytime I sleep when I am _really_ tired like got a few hours left before work.. not only does those few hours feel like I slept for weeks.. but I always seem to get severe leg cramps |
| 04:26.31 | jetscreamer | nicolas__: if you don't use initrd then it's probbly not udev, but you could try removing it just to see |
| 04:26.40 | jetscreamer | and it's probably not udev to start with |
| 04:26.45 | alaric435 | baseconfig, base-config, none work, I apt-get install base-config... |
| 04:26.52 | ke6isf | nvz: Maybe you need to bump up the potassium? |
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| 04:27.04 | nicolas__ | jetscreamer: what is udev for ? |
| 04:27.29 | jetscreamer | nicolas__: heh. the new devfs... or 'who knows' |
| 04:27.32 | alaric435 | I am wondering why apt-setup disappeared on me |
| 04:27.48 | alaric435 | I really like it |
| 04:27.48 | jetscreamer | apt-get install apt-setup.. but it could just not be in your path |
| 04:27.58 | alaric435 | I am root? |
| 04:28.01 | infolib | part |
| 04:28.04 | jetscreamer | ah then install it |
| 04:28.08 | nvz | ke6isf: maybe.though considering I drink powerade reguarly and other drinks like that I am sure I get lots of potassium |
| 04:28.12 | hatake_kakashi | belracu: btw, one of MSI's motherboards does not seem to support Dualcore processors fully |
| 04:28.13 | nicolas__ | * After removing udev the system may not be fully functional. |
| 04:28.14 | nicolas__ | wow |
| 04:28.20 | alaric435 | E: Couldn't find package apt-setup |
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| 04:28.26 | jetscreamer | !info apt-setup |
| 04:28.30 | nicolas__ | how come it can be partially fonctionnal after removing |
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| 04:29.00 | ke6isf | nvz: Hmm... could just be stiffness. Do you stretch? |
| 04:29.06 | jetscreamer | nicolas__: because mkinitrdtools depends on udev and kernels depend on mkinitrdtools... ad infinitum |
| 04:29.15 | sparr | <sparr> i use vi <orrie> u have an url to vi? <--- roflmao |
| 04:29.29 | jetscreamer | omg no apt-setup |
| 04:29.41 | nvz | ke6isf: not really. I used to a couple years ago like twice a day. I was out playing with the dog in the yard earlier.. that was the closest thing to streching i've done |
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| 04:30.26 | alaric435 | I have this puppy right here, I dunno why it doesn't have what I need deb http://mirror.espri.arizona.edu/debian-amd64/debian/ etch main |
| 04:30.39 | alaric435 | was the first one on the list |
| 04:30.55 | nvz | alaric435: what is it you need? |
| 04:31.03 | nvz | alaric435: there is no package apt-setup |
| 04:31.22 | nvz | !find bin/apt-setup$ |
| 04:31.36 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/apt-setup' returned no results. |
| 04:31.39 | jetscreamer | looks like it was buggy |
| 04:31.40 | alaric435 | well, trying to get gnome, but that didn't work tried to resolve it, that didnt work now Im trying to add a new repo, though apt-setup is gone |
| 04:31.47 | nvz | its part of apt |
| 04:31.50 | ke6isf | nvz: Should try stretching regularly again. |
| 04:31.55 | nvz | !find apt-setup$ |
| 04:32.06 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'apt-setup' returned no results. |
| 04:32.11 | jetscreamer | never worked right kept putting testing instead of sid or sarge it seems, for 3 years? |
| 04:32.17 | jetscreamer | (google) |
| 04:32.31 | nvz | ke6isf: yeah probably couldnt hurt.. I just feel so crippled anymore its uncomfortable to move much less be active and strech and workout reguarly |
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| 04:32.49 | ke6isf | nvz: Doesn't sound fun. |
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| 04:33.09 | alaric435 | this is crazy I've never have been stuck in a damn twm trying to get debian to work |
| 04:33.33 | ke6isf | I thought that apt-setup didn't exist in etch. Am I wrong? |
| 04:33.41 | nvz | maybe so |
| 04:33.53 | alaric435 | it used to, and who would take it out? |
| 04:33.57 | nvz | I would like to think dpkg would find it regaurdless if it were in any distro |
| 04:33.58 | alaric435 | that thing was usefull! |
| 04:34.13 | nvz | alaric435: they may have replaced it |
| 04:34.14 | wireddd | alaric435, why don't you just nano /etc/apt/sources.list and add a new source? |
| 04:34.33 | ke6isf | Well, it's not an individual package in sarge. Lemme find the file... |
| 04:34.34 | alaric435 | because, I don't know any other sources |
| 04:34.41 | nvz | personally I dont see why it wasnt a debconf script in the first place |
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| 04:35.16 | alaric435 | really, I looke around debian.org, I didn't see where I could find out, I was a apt-setup whore |
| 04:35.25 | alaric435 | looked* |
| 04:35.29 | ke6isf | ...ok, I think it's in base-config. |
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| 04:35.48 | alaric435 | base-config isn't working either, I installed it however it's a command not found |
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| 04:36.18 | ke6isf | alaric435: Have you looked in /usr/sbin? |
| 04:36.48 | malt578 | sorry to ask a ubuntu question again, but since it is base a debian and i got my question answered while i thought maybe i could get this question answered to, does cpanel not support ubuntu? because i didn't see it under platform supported versions? |
| 04:37.31 | nvz | malt578: I would never under any circumstances even consider ubuntu a platform |
| 04:37.42 | ke6isf | malt578: Install Debian. |
| 04:37.42 | stew | alaric435: base-config was removed from testing/unstable. all of the functionality it provided happens in the first stage of the installer before the first reboot |
| 04:37.46 | jetscreamer | jsut use dselect to set up your sources :) |
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| 04:38.09 | stew | malt578: your ubuntu questions are off-topic here |
| 04:38.21 | ke6isf | !tell malt578 -about debian based |
| 04:38.31 | nvz | malt578: the platform is linux/i386 or whatever ubuntu is just the software distribution. Microsoft Windows XP Home is an OS, the platform is Win32/i386 |
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| 04:39.02 | jetscreamer | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=pkg&data=apt-setup&archive=no&version=&dist=unstable |
| 04:39.06 | alaric435 | Gaaaah |
| 04:39.13 | alaric435 | I'm about to install stable |
| 04:39.36 | alaric435 | this worked once upon a time |
| 04:39.37 | wireddd | alaric435, did you try that source I msged you |
| 04:40.08 | jetscreamer | wtf is an udeb anyway |
| 04:40.09 | jetscreamer | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=apt-setup-udeb |
| 04:40.13 | Shagwell | i want to use debian in production, i really do, packages are just way too old ;/ |
| 04:40.43 | ke6isf | Shagwell: Well, what version of Debian are you looking at? |
| 04:40.57 | nvz | Shagwell: what sort of requirements do you have? |
| 04:41.28 | Shagwell | im considering a stable base with testing packages, but as somebody pointed out last night, that quickly becomes a testing base |
| 04:41.56 | alaric435 | I'm going nuts |
| 04:41.56 | wireddd | why not just stable across the board? |
| 04:41.58 | ke6isf | Shagwell: Is there a reason you need the latest/greatest stuff? |
| 04:42.03 | stew | alaric435: http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/01/msg00199.html |
| 04:42.07 | nvz | Shagwell: it can depending on what you use and what its compatable with. there are also backports |
| 04:42.14 | nvz | ke6isf: sns syndrome? heh |
| 04:42.24 | ke6isf | nvz: Most common. |
| 04:42.31 | Shagwell | Shagwell: apache2.0.55, lighttpd, mysql5, php4&5, perl 5.8.latest and ruby 1.8.latest |
| 04:42.40 | nvz | !info apache |
| 04:42.42 | dpkg | apache: (versatile, high-performance HTTP server), section web, is optional. Version: 1.3.34-2 (sid), Packaged size: 382 kB, Installed size: 816 kB |
| 04:42.43 | Shagwell | err dont ask why i appended my name to that |
| 04:42.43 | nvz | !info php |
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| 04:42.54 | ke6isf | !coffee Shagwell |
| 04:42.55 | nvz | !info php5 |
| 04:42.57 | Shagwell | heh |
| 04:43.01 | dpkg | php5: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (meta-package)), section web, is optional. Version: 5.1.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
| 04:43.02 | nvz | !info apache2 |
| 04:43.04 | dpkg | apache2: (next generation, scalable, extendable web server), section web, is optional. Version: 2.0.55-4 (sid), Packaged size: 34 kB, Installed size: 80 kB |
| 04:43.04 | Shagwell | nvz.. thanks anyway but..... |
| 04:43.07 | ke6isf | Shagwell: Believe me, we understand. |
| 04:43.19 | jetscreamer | so CMD is a perl thingy to run a system command? |
| 04:43.21 | nvz | !info perl |
| 04:43.26 | dpkg | perl: (Larry Wall's Practical Extraction and Report Language), section perl, is standard. Version: 5.8.8-2 (sid), Packaged size: 3486 kB, Installed size: 12872 kB |
| 04:43.31 | Shagwell | thanks. |
| 04:43.34 | Shagwell | ;) |
| 04:43.34 | alaric435 | whaaat why did they take it out man! |
| 04:43.37 | nvz | Shagwell: hmm seems like those are in debian |
| 04:43.38 | jetscreamer | !info nvz |
| 04:43.42 | Shagwell | yes nvz |
| 04:43.45 | Shagwell | testing & sid |
| 04:43.46 | Shagwell | .. |
| 04:43.50 | jetscreamer | Package 'nvz' does not exist. |
| 04:43.53 | ke6isf | nvz: Note, you pulled in info for sid. Not sarge. |
| 04:43.59 | stew | alaric435: apt-setup? haven't i explained it? |
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| 04:44.02 | nvz | Shagwell: apache 2.0.55 and the perl and are in stable.. not sure about where php5 starts |
| 04:44.12 | alaric435 | im about to dist-upgrade to stable |
| 04:44.13 | Shagwell | stable's running 2.0.54 |
| 04:44.18 | nvz | well I dont know about 2.0.55 but its 2.0 |
| 04:44.23 | Shagwell | indeed |
| 04:44.27 | nvz | !sns syndrome |
| 04:44.27 | dpkg | [sns syndrome] a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Software Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 04:44.38 | wireddd | alaric435, just add a source manually and apt-get update |
| 04:44.43 | Shagwell | as one might assume, production environment has requirements set-in-stone |
| 04:44.44 | ke6isf | Shagwell: ...that's such a minor revision it's not even funny. Why do you need such a minor revision? |
| 04:44.50 | Shagwell | backports is too inconsistent |
| 04:44.52 | nvz | personally apache 1.3.x works just fine for my needs |
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| 04:44.56 | alaric435 | wired, man I did |
| 04:45.01 | Shagwell | yeah, your needs possibly differ to mine |
| 04:45.29 | nvz | possibly. you are also possibly dancing along the troll line |
| 04:45.32 | ke6isf | Shagwell: OK, what are you trying to get to? Tell us that. Use specifics. Let's see if we can help. We don't know anything about this other than that you have sns. |
| 04:45.44 | wireddd | alaric435, and what did it say |
| 04:46.01 | stew | Shagwell: oh well too bad for you that debian won't work out |
| 04:46.06 | alaric435 | wireddd, it worked, then gnome-core: Depends: eog (>= 2.12.2) but it is not going to be installed |
| 04:46.13 | alaric435 | etc etc |
| 04:46.32 | Shagwell | ke6isf: theres discrepencies in mod_proxy and mod_ssl between .54 and .55 |
| 04:46.47 | Shagwell | i was just wondering if there was a more consistent solution than backports |
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| 04:47.02 | nvz | Shagwell: did you bother to read debian changelogs? |
| 04:47.06 | stew | Shagwell: what do you perceive is inconcistent about it? |
| 04:47.07 | Shagwell | yeah |
| 04:47.24 | wireddd | alaric435, follow the dependancy trail and see where the real problem is... |
| 04:47.26 | nvz | Shagwell: are you aware of the fact that debian implements changes from upstream without changing version numbers? |
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| 04:47.45 | nvz | Shagwell: and that testing is stable enough for use thses days and gets security updates |
| 04:47.45 | logos | hi everybody.... |
| 04:47.47 | stew | alaric435: try "apt-get install eog" |
| 04:47.52 | nvz | !info apache2 etch |
| 04:47.54 | dpkg | apache2: (next generation, scalable, extendable web server), section web, is optional. Version: 2.0.55-4 (etch), Packaged size: 34 kB, Installed size: 80 kB |
| 04:48.01 | EmeraldCat | hi logos... |
| 04:48.06 | Shagwell | the security updates are few and fairly far between |
| 04:48.11 | logos | how I can create a new initrd |
| 04:48.12 | Shagwell | + id rather use stable |
| 04:48.22 | stew | Shagwell: you can't |
| 04:48.22 | Shagwell | ok try this: |
| 04:48.42 | alaric435 | i followed it.... E: Package libcupsys2 has no installation candidate |
| 04:48.56 | alaric435 | ANOTHER repo perhaps? |
| 04:49.04 | logos | config file for my kernel |
| 04:49.08 | Shagwell | stable base, + apache/mysql/php5/lighttpd/ruby from testing .. with those comes a new glibc, new dependencies from those apps, and whatever else |
| 04:49.14 | nvz | Shagwell: duh, because unlike stable the code base is changing. therefore a lot of security issues are getting either fixed and migrated the normal way or not discovered until then |
| 04:49.17 | stew | alaric435: post you sources.list to a pastebin |
| 04:49.20 | Shagwell | 6 months from now i cant upgrade my machine cause i dont know whats what or from where |
| 04:49.20 | Shagwell | ;p |
| 04:49.21 | ke6isf | Shagwell: Well, there's the option of pinning. |
| 04:49.22 | alaric435 | that's why i liked apt-setup at least 1/3 servers worked |
| 04:49.35 | dondelelcaro | Shagwell: this is exactly why you don't do that. |
| 04:49.40 | Shagwell | nvz: yes, thus the basis of its unsuitability in a production environment |
| 04:49.45 | Shagwell | ?? |
| 04:49.50 | dondelelcaro | Shagwell: if you need specific versions of things, you backport them. |
| 04:50.11 | Shagwell | well if somebody would like to do that ill pay them handsomely |
| 04:50.13 | Shagwell | until then.. |
| 04:50.18 | dondelelcaro | Shagwell: in a production environment, the only reason to ever update a particular piece of software is to fix bugs or implement new features that you need. |
| 04:50.28 | Shagwell | indeed |
| 04:50.43 | alaric435 | http://pastebin.com/592154 |
| 04:50.46 | dondelelcaro | Shagwell: there are debian consultants available to backport anything that you want backported. However, odds are quite stacked against you actually needing to do that. |
| 04:50.47 | stew | Shagwell: why pay handsomely when its already been done for you at backports.org? |
| 04:50.51 | Shagwell | well this was awfully productive |
| 04:50.56 | Shagwell | thanks anyways |
| 04:51.01 | jetscreamer | !info apt-spy |
| 04:51.03 | dpkg | apt-spy: (writes a sources.list file based on bandwidth tests), section admin, is optional. Version: 3.1-14 (sid), Packaged size: 27 kB, Installed size: 176 kB |
| 04:51.09 | EmeraldCat | logos: try http://www.edseek.com/archives/2004/03/22/creating-an-initrd-image-on-debian-gnulinux/ |
| 04:51.13 | Shagwell | stew: search backports for ruby, apache2 or lighttpd |
| 04:51.15 | EmeraldCat | ah he left... |
| 04:51.20 | Shagwell | you'll be unpleasantly suprised |
| 04:51.20 | ke6isf | Meh. |
| 04:51.33 | EmeraldCat | how do I find someone who just left a channel? |
| 04:51.39 | jetscreamer | /whowas |
| 04:51.43 | EmeraldCat | ok |
| 04:52.14 | stew | Shagwell: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 04:52.37 | ke6isf | stew: Meh, he ain't listening. |
| 04:52.38 | dondelelcaro | Shagwell: why exactly do you want 2.0.55 instead of 2.0.54 anyway? |
| 04:53.29 | wireddd | i'm running 2.0.54 on stable and it works great |
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| 04:53.41 | nvz | ke6isf: you noticed that he isnt listening, has no understanding of debian proceedures, and is motivated by timely release of bug fixes and version numbers regaurdless of the frequency of bugs and useful changes? |
| 04:54.01 | stew | 23:48 < Shagwell> ke6isf: theres discrepencies in mod_proxy and mod_ssl between .54 and .55 |
| 04:54.08 | stew | this is his reason |
| 04:54.09 | Shagwell | nvz: please dont be bitter because your advice was unhelpful |
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| 04:54.22 | Shagwell | nvz: or because it was irrelevant to me paticuarly |
| 04:54.25 | EmeraldCat | how do I know if someone who left is on another channel? also with /whowas ? |
| 04:54.26 | ke6isf | nvz: Yeah. SNS syndrom. |
| 04:54.27 | Shagwell | nvz: its not a fault on your behalf |
| 04:54.29 | valdyn | Shagwell: why dont you backport apache by yourself? |
| 04:54.36 | Shagwell | yeah im thinking that valdyn |
| 04:54.40 | Shagwell | thanks stew |
| 04:54.41 | nvz | dondelelcaro: thats been covered inconsistancies with mod_proxy and mod_ssl |
| 04:54.42 | stew | Shagwell: if you don't like his advice please just put him on ignore instead of trying to joust witts with him |
| 04:54.44 | valdyn | Shagwell: its a one-liner... |
| 04:54.53 | dondelelcaro | nvz: that's hand waving. What's the actual bug? |
| 04:54.58 | ke6isf | nvz: Hasn't even bothered telling us what he needs to do, as I suggested. |
| 04:55.00 | nvz | dondelelcaro: seriously. |
| 04:55.09 | alaric435 | oooooook later |
| 04:55.19 | alaric435 | ill bother ya some other time |
| 04:55.33 | nvz | dondelelcaro: he doesnt seem to want to reach the conclusion that if he applied himself he could make debian do anythng, and he's just trolling us |
| 04:55.41 | valdyn | EmeraldCat: whois works only on people in your current channel? |
| 04:55.59 | EmeraldCat | valdyn: I guess so. |
| 04:56.02 | Shagwell | nvz: yes, keep telling yourself that.. |
| 04:56.14 | valdyn | Shagwell: /msg dpkg smart questions |
| 04:56.16 | dondelelcaro | Shagwell: could you please either ask my questions, or stop baiting people? |
| 04:56.23 | EmeraldCat | valdyn: oh, not it doesn't -- thanks! |
| 04:56.24 | ke6isf | !troll Shagwell |
| 04:56.27 | dondelelcaro | the alternative is to go elsewhere. |
| 04:56.29 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 04:56.30 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@hibachi.chez-vrolet.net] by dondelelcaro |
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| 04:56.34 | dondelelcaro | ke6isf: that's not useful either. |
| 04:56.34 | Shagwell | heh |
| 04:56.36 | Shagwell | this is ridiculous |
| 04:56.54 | hatake_kakashi | !info utf8-migration-tool |
| 04:56.54 | Shagwell | i appreciate your input, theres simply little need to be rude about it |
| 04:57.10 | Shagwell | i just told you my problem, nothing more |
| 04:57.18 | Shagwell | using old versions isnt a solution.. |
| 04:57.21 | dondelelcaro | Shagwell: what is the problem in particular? |
| 04:57.26 | Shagwell | backporting seems the go, so ill do that |
| 04:57.28 | Shagwell | thanks |
| 04:57.32 | Shagwell | is that what you all wanted to hear? heh |
| 04:57.33 | dondelelcaro | ok, have a nice day. |
| 04:57.45 | Shagwell | seriously, grow up folks |
| 04:57.46 | valdyn | Shagwell: i think you are missing how debian versions are in stable |
| 04:57.47 | nvz | Shagwell: you need really to get over the version number and address the issue in the future. |
| 04:57.49 | Shagwell | thanks for the help though |
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| 04:58.01 | nvz | we dont count version numbers here |
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| 04:58.16 | valdyn | Shagwell: as 2.0.54 ( debian ) _could_ be identical to 2.0.55 ( upstream ), theoretically |
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| 04:59.56 | nvz | sometimes I wish we could just change the version numbers like every week on every package without changing anything about it just to avoid these issues |
| 05:00.06 | Stevie | I wasn't paying attention |
| 05:00.13 | Stevie | all I saw was references to trolling |
| 05:00.15 | Stevie | what happened? |
| 05:00.22 | nvz | Stevie: nothing |
| 05:00.23 | dondelelcaro | doesn't matter. |
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| 05:00.43 | Stevie | excellent |
| 05:01.04 | Stevie | I love things that don't matter. It means I don't have to turn my brain on enough to try to understand them. |
| 05:01.11 | valdyn | !info openssl sarge |
| 05:01.13 | nvz | heh |
| 05:01.16 | dpkg | openssl: (Secure Socket Layer (SSL) binary and related cryptographic tools), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.9.7e-3sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 881 kB, Installed size: 2056 kB |
| 05:01.26 | EmeraldCat | If only people use Google more...I guess some people just don't have good searching skills? |
| 05:01.38 | Stevie | apparently |
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| 05:01.54 | wireddd | I love google |
| 05:02.10 | nvz | EmeraldCat: thats cause they cant _find_ anyone with good search skills to learn from.. heh |
| 05:02.30 | wireddd | they should really teach advanced google searching in school |
| 05:02.40 | nvz | yeah like that would do any good |
| 05:02.42 | Stevie | 'step 1: download firefox' |
| 05:02.53 | Stevie | 'step 2: see that [G] in the upper left corner? type there' |
| 05:03.14 | valdyn | ive never needed any advanced google search to find what i need... |
| 05:03.15 | EmeraldCat | To answer `logos' I just searched `make initrd image Debian' on Google -- He could have done it himself, I'm sure. |
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| 05:03.22 | nvz | they taught searching in my high school. my librarian preached about nothernlight search engine and his total lack of understanding of the technology was disgusting |
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| 05:03.46 | wireddd | half the time you if just type an entire question into google it will find where someone else asked the question and got an answer |
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| 05:04.05 | EmeraldCat | wireddd: heh, that's true. |
| 05:04.13 | Stevie | the other half, unfortunately, it will find where someone else asked the question and didn't get an answer. |
| 05:04.15 | valdyn | wireddd: and tons of linuxquestions.org type wrong incomplete useless answers =/ |
| 05:04.39 | EmeraldCat | Stevie: and that's true as well... ;) |
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| 05:04.53 | wireddd | yeah, but you have a brain so you can sort those things out ;) |
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| 05:06.10 | wireddd | how can I change the debian package search in firefox to point at pdo.debian,org instead of packages.debian,org? |
| 05:06.36 | hatake_kakashi | will changing the locale LC_CTYPE="C" to LC_CTYPE="UTF8" be enough or do I need to do something and/or run a program to do it? |
| 05:06.48 | valdyn | wireddd: is that a backmark or what is it? |
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| 05:06.57 | valdyn | wireddd: *bookmark* |
| 05:07.14 | wireddd | no in the dropdown list for the search box |
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| 05:09.12 | wireddd | click the little google G and go down to deb search and search. it goes to packages.debian.org which has search disabled at the moment, so I want it to goto pdo.debian.org |
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| 05:11.47 | cr3 | I`m trying to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but the configuration is never modified, what can I do? |
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| 05:12.17 | Nopalin | hey, what module i need compile for enable beep of the motherboard? |
| 05:12.25 | valdyn | !tell cr3 -about xmd5 |
| 05:12.59 | wireddd | how do I get rid of the motherboard beep |
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| 05:13.27 | cr3 | valdyn: thanks. by the way, what should be the permissions of /etc/X11XXF86Config-4? mine happens to be 600 which seems somewhat restrictive. |
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| 05:14.29 | hatake_kakashi | has anyone dealt with locale errors such as 'cannot read archive header: No such file or directory' ? |
| 05:14.49 | Stevie | did you generate your locales? |
| 05:14.59 | valdyn | cr3: 644 |
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| 05:15.42 | james__ | Whenever I hit F1 I get a help screen, and I can't use it for console programs that need it... (under gnome) How you can you change this bind? |
| 05:16.03 | cr3 | q |
| 05:16.04 | hatake_kakashi | Stevie: I did 'aptitude install locales' after downloading and installing it started generating locales, the errors came up very quickly, showing eg:'pt_BR.ISO-8859-1... cannot read archive header: No such file or directory' |
| 05:16.29 | valdyn | james__: gnome-keybinding-properties |
| 05:17.36 | Stevie | i guess you're not allowed to speak portuguese :) |
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| 05:19.36 | hatake_kakashi | Stevie: It would be nice if I can somehow solve this problem because I have a fair bit of files that are in UTF8 charset, currently the locale is set to C and I have several UTF8 files that cannot be seen. |
| 05:19.50 | yggdrasil_ | helo, can somone gime ahand getting my dma turned on ... using custom kernel.. ive tried all the stuff that says dma in menuconfig.... |
| 05:19.51 | Stevie | 250 Stevie |
| 05:20.06 | valdyn | hatake_kakashi: why dont you set you locale to an utf-8 locale? |
| 05:20.30 | hatake_kakashi | valdyn: I already did that but it still comes up an error after dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 05:21.52 | yggdrasil_ | are you running etch or sid ? or sarge ? |
| 05:22.00 | yggdrasil_ | hatake-kakashi |
| 05:22.25 | hatake_kakashi | valdyn: heres a bit more info about the error: .../usr/sbin/locale-gen: line 52: 9872 Bus Error localedef -i $input -c -f $charset -R /usr/share/locale/locale.alias $locale |
| 05:22.35 | timo | yggdrasil_, hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdx |
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| 05:22.47 | hatake_kakashi | yggdrasil_: I presume its unstable version |
| 05:22.54 | valdyn | hatake_kakashi: you did not set your locale to an utf-8 locale or you did not log out and back in, pt_BR.ISO-8859-1 is obviously not utf-8 |
| 05:22.57 | yggdrasil_ | have you tried apt-get update |
| 05:23.39 | hatake_kakashi | valdyn: well, I have tried setting only the specific ones I need such as en_AU.ISO-8859-1 and en_AU.UTF-8 however I still get errors |
| 05:23.43 | hatake_kakashi | yggdrasil_: yes |
| 05:23.54 | yggdrasil_ | tino .. it doesnt work |
| 05:23.57 | yggdrasil_ | operation not permitted |
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| 05:24.02 | timo | yggdrasil_, become root |
| 05:24.09 | yggdrasil_ | yea i did |
| 05:24.12 | valdyn | hatake_kakashi: use dpkg-reconfigure locales and log out and log back in, and dont set this variables manually before the basics work |
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| 05:24.27 | yggdrasil_ | timo> |
| 05:24.38 | valdyn | hatake_kakashi: once that is done paste the full error, not misleading errors containing complaints about locales that are not even utf-8 |
| 05:24.51 | valdyn | hatake_kakashi: ( which you probably didnt generate |
| 05:24.51 | yggdrasil_ | timo i did su |
| 05:24.58 | yggdrasil_ | uh i idd sudo |
| 05:25.02 | yggdrasil_ | should i su root ? |
| 05:25.06 | hatake_kakashi | valdyn: hmm ok, will try that, thanks |
| 05:25.07 | roler | I did a bad thing and went into gnome preferences under mouse and changed my cursor.. I was using ComixCursors and they aren't listed in the window. When i'm in gdm logging in, I see my ComixCursors but when I log in, they change... How do I undo the cursor changes I did so the global ones are used instead of my local user cursors?? |
| 05:25.20 | timo | yggdrasil_, yes |
| 05:26.00 | yggdrasil_ | ok il try it |
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| 05:26.14 | timo | yggdrasil_, sudo won't let you run any command you haven't configured it to run |
| 05:26.35 | yggdrasil_ | same thing |
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| 05:27.14 | yggdrasil_ | VDR1:/home/yggdrasil# hdparm -d 1 /dev/hda |
| 05:27.14 | yggdrasil_ | /dev/hda: |
| 05:27.14 | yggdrasil_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:27.14 | yggdrasil_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:27.14 | yggdrasil_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:27.33 | yggdrasil_ | dam sorry |
| 05:27.35 | valdyn | roler: run gconf-editor, empty 'cursor_font' in desktop->gnome->peripherals->mouse, cursor_size should probably be 18 |
| 05:27.49 | timo | yggdrasil_, what kernel are you using |
| 05:28.09 | valdyn | uh, to bad he's gone |
| 05:28.25 | yggdrasil_ | 2.6.15 |
| 05:28.28 | yggdrasil_ | .4 |
| 05:28.49 | valdyn | yggdrasil_: you shouldnt have to set DMA on normally |
| 05:29.08 | yggdrasil_ | valdyn ... what do you mean ? |
| 05:29.20 | valdyn | yggdrasil_: what i said |
| 05:29.29 | yggdrasil_ | wel i need it this is the dam htpc and i cant record... without it freakin out |
| 05:29.58 | valdyn | yggdrasil_: if DMA is off you a) are using a custom kernel and disabled automatic dma on, or dont have the proper driver for your disk controller compiled in |
| 05:30.09 | hatake_kakashi | valdyn: still no go.. http://pastebin.com/592180 |
| 05:30.39 | valdyn | hatake_kakashi: kernel or hardware bug |
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| 05:31.02 | hatake_kakashi | valdyn: hmm blah :/ this is going to be fun :/ ahh well thanks anyway |
| 05:31.04 | valdyn | hatake_kakashi: and in any case reinstall at least the locales package, maybe your whole system, depending on errors you get later, and try a different kernel |
| 05:31.39 | hatake_kakashi | valdyn: yeah I've already installed an updated locales package but that doesn't seem to have any goes |
| 05:32.11 | valdyn | hatake_kakashi: apt-get install --reinstall locales |
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| 05:33.11 | valdyn | hatake_kakashi: umm, if you are messing with using a new libc6 package ( which depends on locale and vice versa ) in sarge then you're on your own till you reinstall completely |
| 05:33.21 | cr3 | how do I know which window manager will be called by startx? |
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| 05:33.47 | valdyn | cr3: always x-window-manager by default |
| 05:33.57 | valdyn | cr3: man update-alternatives |
| 05:34.05 | yggdrasil_ | valdyn i cheked everying that said dma in the kernel config menuconfig.. |
| 05:34.24 | valdyn | cr3: or x-window-session, if you have something installed providing it, like kde, gnome etc |
| 05:35.14 | yggdrasil_ | lets jsut say it was a 5 kernel day... |
| 05:35.19 | valdyn | cr3: ops, 2nd should be x-session-manager |
| 05:35.30 | cafuego | !info avahi-daemon etch |
| 05:35.31 | cr3 | valdyn: darn, so it seems wmaker is going to be started. |
| 05:35.32 | dpkg | avahi-daemon: (Avahi mDNS/DNS-SD daemon), section net, is optional. Version: 0.6.7-1 (etch), Packaged size: 58 kB, Installed size: 292 kB |
| 05:35.38 | cafuego | right |
| 05:35.38 | valdyn | yggdrasil_: so you probably miss the driver |
| 05:35.47 | cr3 | valdyn: the actual problem is that startx seems to be crashing my machine: powerbook g3 |
| 05:35.52 | yggdrasil_ | its via 8x something .... . |
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| 05:36.21 | cr3 | valdyn: I just can't seem to do anything after I call startx, even ctrl-alt-F* don't work |
| 05:36.22 | valdyn | cr3: read the update-alternatives manpage, there you can change x-window-manager, or edit ~/.xsession ( put something like 'exec myfavouritewm' there |
| 05:36.59 | cr3 | valdyn: I'm afraid the problem is not the window manager, wmaker happens to be installed. however, thanks for the tip, I didn`t know about update-alternatives |
| 05:37.03 | valdyn | cr3: that has probably nothing to do with your WM, cant help you with powerbooks however |
| 05:37.39 | cr3 | valdyn: darn, I really thought linux could witstand startx so that I can recover somehow |
| 05:37.40 | dooglus | booting into debian worked fine. thanks for your help guys. |
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| 05:38.51 | pmallapp | hi all |
| 05:39.34 | dooglus | hi pmallapp |
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| 05:39.53 | JRWR | witch version of debian has ite 821x support |
| 05:40.09 | pmallapp | i downloaded the DVD of amd64 etch 2 weeks back i tried to upgrade today. but there seems to be significant packages missing like evolution and also ld-linux.so.2 and most of my apps says "currupted library" |
| 05:40.27 | yggdrasil_ | dam its a shame i cant get this dma working works like a champ otherwise.. until i try to record.. |
| 05:40.55 | JRWR | lol, thats what you get for usning etch |
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| 05:41.50 | pmallapp | as i have seen debian testing before ( when it was sarge).. it used to be more stable than any other linux distros |
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| 05:42.27 | lkthomas | hey all |
| 05:42.32 | lkthomas | any freenode admin or mod around ? |
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| 05:43.42 | rabies | anyone know of a good wallpaper website? |
| 05:43.46 | rabies | other then deviantart |
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| 05:44.02 | ForrestF | deviantart |
| 05:44.15 | numist | rabies: gis? |
| 05:44.26 | pmallapp | rabies, art.gnome.org or art.kde.org |
| 05:44.28 | Eclipser | animewallpapers.com |
| 05:44.28 | rabies | numist: website? |
| 05:44.37 | atly | hii |
| 05:45.07 | rabies | numist: URL? |
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| 05:45.47 | numist | rabies: images.google.com? |
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| 05:45.52 | rabies | numist: oh, no thx |
| 05:46.00 | numist | hehe, I was wondering about that |
| 05:46.03 | rabies | :) |
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| 05:46.14 | rabies | its not...robust at searching for wallpapers ;) |
| 05:46.15 | numist | if you know what you want though, thats how to find it. just specify Large image size :P |
| 05:46.18 | numist | indeed |
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| 05:46.45 | EruditeHermit | hey, can anyone help me with suspend2? |
| 05:47.11 | markybob | !ask |
| 05:47.12 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 05:47.35 | rabies | meh, dont want anime |
| 05:47.47 | ForrestF | witch version of debian has ite 821x support |
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| 05:48.19 | EruditeHermit | I can't get suspend2 to use the correct resume partition |
| 05:48.20 | rabies | gah, whats it take to get some decent abstract wallpapers |
| 05:48.23 | EruditeHermit | can anyone help? |
| 05:48.42 | nvz | rabies: a web browser |
| 05:48.51 | rabies | nvz: if only it was that eas |
| 05:48.52 | rabies | y |
| 05:48.57 | nvz | rabies: it is |
| 05:48.59 | markybob | ForrestF, sarge does, if you install it with a 2.6 kernel. ite821x has been around since '94 |
| 05:49.03 | rabies | nvz: t'aint |
| 05:49.10 | rabies | nvz: most stuff out there is cruddy |
| 05:49.13 | markybob | ForrestF, boot with "linux26" instead of just hitting enter at the install boot prompt |
| 05:49.25 | ForrestF | tryed that |
| 05:49.27 | ForrestF | fails |
| 05:49.40 | nvz | rabies: I keep all sorts of media stashed in my /srv/samba/guest for wallpaper and such so everone can find it easy.. but I get it from the web |
| 05:49.52 | rabies | nvz: where? |
| 05:49.53 | markybob | ForrestF, modprobe it yourself? it exists... linux/drivers/ide/pci/it821x.c to be specific |
| 05:50.02 | rabies | nvz: mind dccin it to me? :) |
| 05:50.07 | nvz | rabies: you looking for like illusion type stuff or just like abstract 3d |
| 05:50.12 | rabies | nvz: both |
| 05:50.16 | ForrestF | ok? ill make sure to print that |
| 05:50.18 | nvz | hmm.. hold on |
| 05:50.21 | rabies | k |
| 05:50.31 | ForrestF | pff the cd rigth? |
| 05:50.32 | ForrestF | off |
| 05:50.34 | hatake_kakashi | anyone tried Breezy liveCD and is able to tell me that the locales are set to UTF8? or? |
| 05:50.43 | rabies | hatake_kakashi: #ubuntu |
| 05:50.58 | markybob | ForrestF, just type "modprobe it821x" during installation in a command prompt. should work then |
| 05:51.09 | hatake_kakashi | rabies: ahh bah, thanks, wrong chan :) |
| 05:51.09 | rabies | hatake_kakashi: wrong channel bud |
| 05:51.13 | rabies | yeah :) |
| 05:51.19 | ForrestF | cool |
| 05:51.30 | ForrestF | most of the time it would not detect it |
| 05:51.43 | ForrestF | etch did once, |
| 05:51.48 | ForrestF | but it crashed |
| 05:52.36 | nvz | rabies: I also got a crapload of debian wallpapers in a backup of my homedir from a few years ago |
| 05:52.51 | rabies | nvz: ill take those too |
| 05:53.08 | rabies | nvz: plaster them on the door and annoy the crap out of the RAs in my dorm :) |
| 05:53.18 | nvz | rabies: I get anything thats cool to look at.. concept cars, scenery..etc |
| 05:53.29 | vin` | ok that too. |
| 05:53.34 | ForrestF | migth i say, Debian is the best Distro of linux |
| 05:53.41 | rabies | nvz: ill take it all! |
| 05:53.45 | rabies | nvz: :) |
| 05:53.50 | rabies | nvz: cool to look at is what im after, heh |
| 05:54.23 | ForrestF | its easy to install, LOADS of packes, and stable as hell |
| 05:54.30 | nvz | rabies: I guess I can tar it up.. see how much it weighs.. |
| 05:54.38 | rabies | nvz: heh, alright |
| 05:54.39 | vin` | so is this for real or just a nice illusion? ;P |
| 05:54.44 | rabies | nvz: use 7-zip if you got it, its smaller |
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| 05:56.00 | nvz | rabies: 15mb just in debian wallpapers |
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| 05:56.10 | Ashex|compiling| | I just compiled and installed a kernel |
| 05:56.14 | nvz | rabies: images will probably compress a bit though |
| 05:56.19 | rabies | nvz: hopefully |
| 05:56.19 | Ashex|compiling| | but I'm not sure where the initrd.img is located at |
| 05:56.25 | rabies | nvz: how fast is your upload? |
| 05:56.30 | Ashex|compiling| | the kernel is located at /usr/src/linux-2.6.15.6/arch/i386/boot/ |
| 05:57.03 | nvz | rabies: *shrug* I think its regular 3mb cable service. and you upload is probably like 1/3 your download |
| 05:57.18 | rabies | nvz: well then i guess 15 megs isnt too bad then :) |
| 05:57.20 | nvz | rabies: in reality though being shared bandwidth who knows |
| 05:57.25 | markybob | Ashex|compiling|, build it the debian way, then you wont have to worry abou tit |
| 05:57.28 | rabies | nvz: im on dorm i-net, so whatever you got, ill take |
| 05:57.46 | Ashex|compiling| | the debian way? |
| 05:57.47 | markybob | !make-kpkg |
| 05:57.48 | dpkg | i guess make-kpkg is the Debian Way (tm) to deal with kernel compiling - it makes a package for your Kustom Kernel (tm) which you can install/remove easily (tm) with the dpkg (pat. pend.) mechanisms. 'apt-get install kernel-package' then 'man make-kpkg' =), or see also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html or ask me about <kp mantra> |
| 05:58.05 | nvz | I havent looked at these in years I've had the same debian wallpaper for probably 8 months |
| 05:58.09 | Ashex|compiling| | okay |
| 05:58.11 | Ashex|compiling| | thanks :) |
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| 05:58.36 | rabies | nvz: i've had the same wallpaper for forever, its the default gnome one, lol |
| 05:58.41 | rabies | nvz: i really need a new one, heh |
| 05:58.47 | Pupbuntu | i have a 1-slide-per-page ps file that i want to combine using a2ps into 4-slides-per-page... but when i use a2ps --landscape --columns=2 --rows=2, it puts the first slide in the upper right corner instead of upper left... any idea how to get it to use left-to-right order? |
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| 05:58.57 | pmallapp | hi all |
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| 06:02.41 | nvz | rabies: well I put about 250 of them in a 22mb archive.. gimme a sec |
| 06:02.47 | rabies | coolness |
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| 06:03.22 | Gluttony | Hi, can anyone tell me the usage of "vmstat -n" command? the man page said "The -n switch causes The header to be displayed only once rather than periodically", but I still don't understand it. |
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| 06:03.31 | Ashex|compiling| | How does one configure the network card with dhcp through terminal? |
| 06:03.36 | Ashex|compiling| | my applications aren't launching again... |
| 06:03.54 | vulture | Ashex|compiling|: man 5 interfaces |
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| 06:06.09 | Gluttony | I tried the "vmstat -n 1 5" and "vmstat 1 5" and returned the same result. |
| 06:06.14 | lakcaj | Ashex|compiling|, if you just want to bring down and then bring up your network: |
| 06:06.17 | lakcaj | ifdown eth0 |
| 06:06.19 | lakcaj | ifup eth0 |
| 06:06.34 | Ashex|compiling| | ifconfig doesn't display eth0 |
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| 06:07.23 | Ashex|compiling| | and I can't ping my laptop |
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| 06:08.07 | Ashex|compiling| | oh wait.... |
| 06:08.08 | wig___ | how do i put something in my path? |
| 06:08.13 | Ashex|compiling| | I think I figured it out |
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| 06:09.41 | stew | Gluttony: lf you run just "vmstat 1" it will not terminate until you hit ctrl-c, after it fills a page it will repeat the header |
| 06:10.26 | stew | Gluttony: then compare that with "vmstat -n 1" |
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| 06:15.14 | NeoEcoS | some one can tellme a dns ip |
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| 06:22.00 | neuterspay | PARTAY |
| 06:23.02 | Ashex|compiling| | I'm using kernel-package, where exactly is the top level linux kernel source directory? |
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| 06:23.15 | Ashex|compiling| | if it's /usr/src/linux, then I'm severely confused |
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| 06:23.55 | nkuttler | Ashex|compiling|: where did you get the source from? |
| 06:24.05 | Ashex|compiling| | apt-get |
| 06:24.51 | mbishop | /usr/src/linux is a symlink to linux-2.6.whatever |
| 06:24.54 | nkuttler | Ashex|compiling|: /usr/src/linux sounds good... though i'm not sure if it's a symlink to the real dir or if apt-get even decompresses the source tree |
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| 06:25.04 | ForrestF | YOU LIED |
| 06:25.16 | mbishop | nkuttler: apt-get on the kernel source basically just puts the tarball in /usr/src |
| 06:25.17 | ForrestF | modprobe it821x failed |
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| 06:25.27 | nkuttler | mbishop: i thought so... |
| 06:25.28 | jcwong | When I re-run lilo, i got this msg; Warning: CHANGE AUTOMATIC assumed after "other=/dev/hda2". How to fix it? |
| 06:25.30 | Ashex|compiling| | yeah, /usr/src/linux doesn't exist |
| 06:25.33 | Shadda | ForrestF, I didn't like, Darth Vader really DID kill your father. |
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| 06:25.51 | ForrestF | lol |
| 06:25.52 | Ashex|compiling| | yeah, the source is in there |
| 06:25.55 | mbishop | Ashex|compiling|: you have the source tarball right? untar/bzip2/whatever and it should make /usr/src/linux-blah-blah |
| 06:26.03 | Ashex|compiling| | ok |
| 06:26.07 | mbishop | Ashex|compiling|: then ln -s linux linux-blah-blah |
| 06:26.20 | Ashex|compiling| | it's tar zxvf, right? |
| 06:26.22 | mbishop | Ashex|compiling|: and then you can go into /usr/src/linux and do your menuconfig/whatever |
| 06:26.31 | mbishop | Ashex|compiling|: if it's tar.gz, yes |
| 06:26.42 | mbishop | Ashex|compiling|: if it's tar.bz2, use tar jxvf file |
| 06:26.45 | Ashex|compiling| | ok |
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| 06:27.36 | stew | there is no good reason to make the /usr/src/linux symlink and there are reasons not to |
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| 06:28.08 | Psi-Jack | hey, does anyone here know what the difference between nss-mysql and nss-mysql-bg is? |
| 06:28.44 | sussudio | -bg |
| 06:29.04 | Xenguy | helpful, as usual :p |
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| 06:29.26 | sussudio | !fist Xenguy |
| 06:29.32 | Xenguy | die |
| 06:29.40 | jm_ | package description explains it |
| 06:29.49 | Ashex|compiling| | I'm trying to optimize the kernel since it's running on a 300Mhz |
| 06:29.55 | Psi-Jack | sussudio: Great. Now, the difference is? |
| 06:30.02 | Ashex|compiling| | it keeps loading useless modules, like pcmcia and firewire |
| 06:30.02 | mbishop | stew: ..are you going to explain these reasons? :P |
| 06:30.09 | sussudio | Psi-Jack: those packages don't even exist. you're not running debian. |
| 06:30.15 | ForrestF | so how do i load the it21x mod, if its not on the CD |
| 06:30.23 | jm_ | sussudio: he means libnss-mysql* |
| 06:30.34 | Psi-Jack | sussudio: libnss-mysql and libnss-mysql-bg, are the ACTUAL package names. |
| 06:30.37 | michael117 | I installed debian a while ago and didn't configure the display right and I only have text mode now, how can I access that same setup to get x up and gnome going? |
| 06:30.42 | stew | mbishop: some older broken software will see it and assume its the currently running kernel. it specifically tells you NOT to make that symlink in the kernel README |
| 06:31.12 | Ashex|compiling| | michael117: startx |
| 06:31.15 | mbishop | stew: hmm, well it won't be the currently running kernel...if you don't upgrade the symlink for the kernel you ARE running |
| 06:31.21 | sussudio | Psi-Jack on #debian #ubuntu-server #apache #kubuntu #joomla |
| 06:31.27 | dooglus | !java |
| 06:31.28 | dpkg | hmm... java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive and forbids you from working on Java implementations or SDKs. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
| 06:31.29 | Psi-Jack | sussudio: Your point? |
| 06:31.30 | michael117 | I get a lot of errors when I enter startx |
| 06:31.43 | Ashex|compiling| | pastebin the log |
| 06:31.47 | dooglus | !install java |
| 06:31.47 | dpkg | First, read <java licensing>. Still here? Install the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about java-package. |
| 06:32.03 | Ashex|compiling| | do you have an ati card? |
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| 06:32.14 | dooglus | !contrib |
| 06:32.15 | dpkg | it has been said that contrib is debian packages that are free, but depend on non-free software To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'non-free contrib' on the end. |
| 06:32.26 | Xenguy | Psi-Jack: if you are here, but not running debian, you should run away now |
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| 06:32.32 | stew | dooglus: you can /msg the bot |
| 06:32.43 | dooglus | stew ok, thanks |
| 06:32.53 | Psi-Jack | Xenguy: See, that's kinda the point. I do run Debian. And I do run Kubuntu. So, I /do/ run both. |
| 06:32.55 | sH4 | .. |
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| 06:33.49 | michael117 | http://pastebin.com/592231 |
| 06:33.49 | Xenguy | Psi-Jack: coincidentally, so do I :-) |
| 06:33.52 | Psi-Jack | Now, if sussudio's.. Or even #debian's asses are so tightly bound that they get THIS jittery over something so trivial, there's obviously some contraversy to work over. |
| 06:34.36 | Psi-Jack | Xenguy: Heh. I have 16 servers. 3 of them run Debian. |
| 06:34.45 | Xenguy | Psi-Jack: the rule is simply *debian* support in *#debian* -- reasonable IMHO |
| 06:35.29 | michael117 | Ashex|compiling|: I'm actually in ubuntu now ssh'ing into this box which I will make into a sort of bittorrent server but would like to use azureus so I need a graphical interface |
| 06:35.35 | michael117 | but want to do vnc |
| 06:35.39 | Psi-Jack | Xenguy: Hey, Ubuntu supports Debian as well. They're /trying/ to have efforts to slipstream packages for Debian to use as well. I call that, quite a nice effort, and handshake. |
| 06:36.14 | Coweater | ubuntu does not support debian |
| 06:36.17 | rabies | Psi-Jack: lolz |
| 06:36.29 | Ashex|compiling| | michael117: if you're video card is an ati, that might be the problem |
| 06:36.29 | vin` | Psi-Jack: but support is still --> way. |
| 06:36.35 | Xenguy | Psi-Jack: I run away from that debate (it's complex); the policy in this channel is debian==debian, and I accept that. |
| 06:36.54 | stew | michael117: try "modprobe mousedev" and try it again |
| 06:37.05 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 06:37.05 | dpkg | hmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 06:37.33 | michael117 | Ashex|compiling|: is it even necessary to have a graphics card if I will just have vnc or want to run the graphical session remotely? |
| 06:37.34 | stew | michael117: and if that works, add mousedev to /etc/modules |
| 06:38.01 | stew | michael117: this has nothing to do with graphics card, its not starting becuase of /dev/input/mice |
| 06:38.12 | michael117 | stew: I bounce around with linux a lot so I'm not always up on the commands |
| 06:38.29 | michael117 | stew: what's that one to add it to the end of the file? |
| 06:38.30 | Psi-Jack | vin`: Well, as far as "support" goes, #ubuntu is full of idiots, mostly. LOL |
| 06:38.44 | stew | michael117: echo "mousedev" >> /etc/modules |
| 06:38.55 | Psi-Jack | Then again, I come here, ask a simple question, and get a stupid answer. :) |
| 06:39.01 | stew | michael117: or "editor /etc/modules" |
| 06:39.55 | michael117 | stew: hmm... "X: client 4 rejected from local host" |
| 06:40.09 | rabies | um....w/e |
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| 06:42.02 | nvz | you ever notice how when someone says "The cat's out of the bag" there's never a cat or a bag around? |
| 06:42.14 | stew | michael117: sounds like an xauth error. do you have xbase-clients installed? |
| 06:42.25 | Psi-Jack | ForrestF: Mirror them. You'll have fun! :D |
| 06:42.27 | simonrvn | nvz: quite. where do they get the cat or the bag? |
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| 06:43.06 | nvz | simonrvn: furthermore who's putting cats in bags |
| 06:43.16 | simonrvn | mean people |
| 06:44.21 | mbishop | Psi-Jack: I don't see how asking about packages that aren't even for debian and not getting an answer is 'stupid' but http://packages.debian.org/unstable/admin/libnss-mysql-bg |
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| 06:44.58 | nvz | man, I just pigged out on ritz cracker sandwitches.. that was totally not what I was hungry for.. but oh well.. its 1:44am |
| 06:45.00 | Psi-Jack | mbishop: I've already checked apt-cache show libnss-mysql and libnss-mysql-bg, but the descriptions alone don't really SAY what the differences are. |
| 06:45.13 | litage | why might ~/.xsession-errors be 5.8 gigs? |
| 06:45.18 | simonrvn | hehe, i've done that :) |
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| 06:45.26 | ForrestF | Psi-Jack, i was looking up Eurasia, then i ended up on the matrix. then Code: LYOKO, then anime then sex then rubber then plants then life then humans then cars then gas and then oil |
| 06:45.29 | simonrvn | litage: you have a lot of errors? |
| 06:45.29 | stew | Psi-Jack: ask the maintainers what the difference is, file wishlist bugs to have the decriptions changed to reflect the differences |
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| 06:46.31 | ForrestF | how do i enable ite 8212 support while installing debian (so i can install onto it) |
| 06:46.42 | stew | Psi-Jack: check the upstream sites for both source pacakges and see if the differences are distinguised there |
| 06:48.05 | jm_ | Psi-Jack: they tell what the difference is |
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| 06:48.40 | Psi-Jack | Looks mostly like, libnss-mysql-bg is more configurable than libnss-mysql. That's about it. heh |
| 06:48.52 | ForrestF | "The Borg wouldn't know fun if they assimilated an amusement park." -Wikipedia |
| 06:49.05 | Psi-Jack | libnss-mysql-bg apparently lets you make SELECT statements for every part of getpwent stuff. :) |
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| 06:50.02 | jm_ | exactly, so you can use existing database, like it says |
| 06:51.22 | simonrvn | hehehe (wrt borg + fun) |
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| 06:52.17 | ineffable | Hey, folks; quick question. I've got exim4 set up as an email server, and it isn't handling incoming mail right. Which alias file is the one where I can tell it to deliver mail for 'name@host' to 'name'? If anyone knows off-hand.. if not, I'll eventually find it |
| 06:52.31 | eject_ck | I have troubles with my DVB card PentaNet under Sarge 2.4.27-2-586tsc - modules from pentanet-2.3.1_021111.tar.gz don`t compile |
| 06:52.35 | ineffable | (this being in fully-updated sarge) |
| 06:53.16 | Zugschlus | !dpkg tell ineffable about drec |
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| 06:53.54 | BGreeNZ | I want my Sarge firewall/router to download mail from my ISP's pop3 server and provide imap access to it over my home LAN. What is the best way to accomplish this? Any info to point me in the right direction would be appreciated. |
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| 06:54.58 | eject_ck | can anybody help with pentanet under Sarge |
| 06:55.00 | dondelelcaro | BGreeNZ: ideally you'd just forward your ISP's mail to your own mta... but otherwise, use fetchmail with dovecot+offlineimap or similar. |
| 06:55.09 | Psi-Jack | BGreeNZ: Postfix, Cyrus-IMAPD, and fetchmail. |
| 06:55.28 | jm_ | BGreeNZ: something like horde or squirrelmail |
| 06:55.42 | jm_ | ahh ignore me, you said IMAP access, not HTTP access |
| 06:55.56 | Psi-Jack | Hmm, or heck, probably even just plain cyrus-imapd and fetchmail, since you could have fetchmail just use cyrus-imapd's cyrus-deliver, or lmtp it in. :) |
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| 06:58.11 | Psi-Jack | And heck, with cyrus-imapd, you could even sieve filter your mail. :D |
| 06:58.11 | BGreeNZ | Essentially, what I want to do is download the mail from my ISP, and then be able to access it (simultaneously, if necessary) from any of the other computers on the network. I will have a look into those solutions. |
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| 06:58.32 | jm_ | yeah what people told you will do fine |
| 06:59.41 | Psi-Jack | BGreeNZ: A lot of people find cyrus-imapd to be complicated, simply because there's not a whole lot of HOWTOs for it, (not that they're really needed, mind you), but it's really simple. And, well, you DID ask for the "best." |
| 07:00.19 | BGreeNZ | Perhaps I need to redefine "best"? |
| 07:00.58 | Psi-Jack | BGreeNZ: Well, since "best" doesn't exist, except as everyone's variously different opinions of what is best for them. :) |
| 07:01.08 | Psi-Jack | Aka: You define your own best. Nobody else can for you. |
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| 07:01.49 | Psi-Jack | However,m like I said, with Cyrus-IMAPD, you wouldn't even need an MTA for fetchmail to deliver to, you could actually have it deliver directly to your imap mailbox. :) |
| 07:01.54 | jknife | does the "small" install cd include gcc and the kernel headers? |
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| 07:03.03 | BGreeNZ | I assume that fetchmail would have to be configured (or cron'ed) to download the mail periodically. Is it possible to also have my router download mail when I manually instruct my mail client to check for mail? |
| 07:03.13 | vin` | jknife: network problems? |
| 07:03.34 | Psi-Jack | BGreeNZ: Umm. Router? Checking mail? |
| 07:03.56 | jknife | driver isnt included with the kernel.. its the rt73 i have to build it myself(also i have to apply a patch to it) |
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| 07:04.24 | dpower | im using mkfs..trying to make a 30mb filesystem..however im not sure how this translates to block size |
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| 07:04.35 | dpower | how many blocks equals 30MB |
| 07:04.44 | vin` | jknife: it's probably there on the 110MB net installer, but it's safer to just get CD1. |
| 07:04.53 | Psi-Jack | dpower: Umm. Don't mess with the blocksize. |
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| 07:04.57 | BGreeNZ | Well, multi-purpose network server, router, and firewall, then ;-) I also plan to install Squid on it (I'm on the end of a 56K dialup :( ) |
| 07:05.05 | jknife | vin`: where can i browse the contents online? |
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| 07:05.33 | dpower | Psi-Jack? |
| 07:05.37 | dpower | but it requests it |
| 07:05.40 | ^Chance- | Hello can anyone help me enlarge the disk partitions that are made with parted ? I can't do it because it has to run on an umounted partiton only |
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| 07:06.29 | SerajewelKS | ^Chance-: so unmount the |
| 07:06.33 | SerajewelKS | ^Chance-: them |
| 07:06.34 | ^Chance- | i can not |
| 07:06.41 | ^Chance- | it doesn't let me |
| 07:06.48 | SerajewelKS | ^Chance-: so boot from a livecd to resize |
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| 07:07.02 | eject_ck | hey see this result of compiling pentanet drivers and plese help http://pastebin.com/592249 |
| 07:07.04 | vin` | jknife: try /msg dpkg cd contents |
| 07:07.11 | ^Chance- | i can't the server is remote |
| 07:07.17 | dpower | mkfs -V -t vfat device ... then how do i put in the size? |
| 07:07.18 | SerajewelKS | ^Chance-: tough luck then |
| 07:07.36 | jknife | ty |
| 07:07.44 | ^Chance- | that's what i thaught |
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| 07:08.36 | SerajewelKS | topot: fuck off |
| 07:08.37 | topot | ĹÄÁËĹÄ SerajewelKS µÄPPŁ¬·˘ĎÖ·ÇłŁµÄÔ˛ˇŁ |
| 07:08.41 | dpower | yea wtf |
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| 07:08.49 | SerajewelKS | !ops topot /notify spam |
| 07:08.49 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: topot /notify spam |
| 07:08.51 | dpower | anyone have a quick answer for me?? |
| 07:08.57 | zinx | bastard |
| 07:09.25 | dpower | Psi-Jack? |
| 07:09.55 | eject_ck | Boys pls help |
| 07:10.22 | jknife | on cd1 it has the headers for the 2.4 kernel :-/ |
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| 07:10.29 | eject_ck | Have anybody experience with pent@Net DVB card |
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| 07:11.20 | dpower | mkfs [ -V ] [ -t fstype ] [ fs-options ] filesys [ blocks ]. |
| 07:11.26 | dpower | but how many blocks is 30 MB ? |
| 07:11.43 | jknife | do '30M' |
| 07:11.46 | jknife | in fdisk |
| 07:11.46 | dpower | ty |
| 07:11.54 | dpower | hmm im using mkfs |
| 07:12.03 | jknife | fdisk or cfdisk is eaiser |
| 07:12.09 | Eclipser | cfdisk rocks |
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| 07:12.27 | jknife | Eclipser: yeah if you like the gui stuff |
| 07:12.39 | dpower | i know nothing about fdisk |
| 07:12.42 | eject_ck | Thanks!!! |
| 07:12.46 | Eclipser | I wouldn't say GUI, TUI rather |
| 07:12.54 | dpower | what would the syntax be |
| 07:12.57 | jknife | NUI.... |
| 07:13.02 | Eclipser | :) |
| 07:13.03 | jknife | fdisk /dev/<drive> |
| 07:13.15 | dpower | but to make a new partition |
| 07:13.20 | jknife | n |
| 07:13.29 | deadcat | press h to help |
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| 07:13.34 | jknife | or that |
| 07:13.35 | dpower | n? |
| 07:13.43 | deadcat | dpower: just man fdisk.. dont be lazy |
| 07:13.53 | jknife | whats man? |
| 07:13.56 | dpower | im not lazy im drunk |
| 07:13.57 | jknife | :) |
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| 07:14.01 | dpower | haha jknife |
| 07:14.05 | deadcat | dpower: too fucking bad. |
| 07:14.08 | Eclipser | drunk and fdisk |
| 07:14.10 | Eclipser | not good |
| 07:14.12 | dpower | chill.. |
| 07:14.14 | jknife | no its not |
| 07:14.22 | jknife | try using hdparm |
| 07:14.29 | jknife | or dd |
| 07:14.32 | Eclipser | :) |
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| 07:14.58 | Azar | a reformat would wake you up |
| 07:15.27 | jknife | turn your hd into a music cd.. use dd |
| 07:15.30 | dpower | there is no n option that i see |
| 07:15.41 | jknife | :| |
| 07:15.48 | jknife | START UP FDISK FIRST |
| 07:15.50 | deadcat | dpower: just use cfdisk |
| 07:15.55 | dpower | [1:13am] <dpower> but to make a new partition |
| 07:15.56 | dpower | [1:13am]« jknife » n |
| 07:15.57 | dpower | ok |
| 07:16.14 | jknife | use cfdisk |
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| 07:18.13 | dpower | debian ftw! |
| 07:18.28 | eject_ck | I can`t compile pentanet (DVB card) drivers - http://pastebin.com/592249 -whats wrong??? |
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| 07:19.21 | Frem | I don't have spellcheck in AbiWord, yet I've got aspell & aspell-en installed. Am I missing something? |
| 07:19.29 | slash2 | hi what is a good stable cd burner in debian sarge... |
| 07:19.37 | deadcat | slash2: cdrecord |
| 07:19.44 | slash2 | ic thanks man :) |
| 07:19.46 | wireddd | I use k3b... |
| 07:20.12 | jknife | i use dd |
| 07:20.16 | jknife | :| |
| 07:20.21 | deadcat | jknife: stop lying |
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| 07:20.26 | dpower | i use rm -rf / |
| 07:20.28 | dpower | :|\ |
| 07:20.29 | Frem | pretty much anything that shows up in a "apt-cache search" result. |
| 07:20.35 | deadcat | !sunday |
| 07:20.35 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 07:20.46 | Frem | It's Thursday. |
| 07:20.53 | dpower | good point |
| 07:20.56 | dpower | !beer Frem |
| 07:21.01 | jarango | Is there a program that can change the aspect ratio flag of an mpeg4 stream file ? |
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| 07:22.38 | tiCo89 | is there a way to install nfs (on sarge) with posix ACL support? |
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| 07:24.42 | dnipro | Hello |
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| 07:24.51 | dnipro | I have a problem |
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| 07:25.12 | Frem | That's nice, dnipro. |
| 07:25.23 | Azar | I have lots of problems too, but I do not brag |
| 07:25.34 | dnipro | With sarge sometime the sound works sometimes not |
| 07:25.36 | deadcat | !beer Azar |
| 07:25.48 | Azar | yay thanks deadcat! |
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| 07:25.56 | deadcat | i hate people brag about their problems (= |
| 07:26.06 | dnipro | Anaybody have a solution ? |
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| 07:26.24 | deadcat | dnipro: using same software? |
| 07:26.42 | Azar | dnipro: Sarge is a vague detail: talk about your sound card, desktop type, kernel version... give info |
| 07:26.42 | dnipro | no ! With totem for exemple |
| 07:26.56 | dnipro | I don't understand why it is working sometimes |
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| 07:27.06 | dnipro | and this morning it is silence |
| 07:27.07 | deadcat | dnipro: so totem has sound but not always? |
| 07:27.12 | Azar | dnipro: me either |
| 07:27.16 | Frem | These times the sound does not work... Are there errors? |
| 07:27.35 | dnipro | no visible error message |
| 07:27.40 | Azar | my xmms works perfectly , never lost sound |
| 07:27.41 | ftp3 | how do I install a .deb file? |
| 07:27.50 | deadcat | ftp3: dpkg -i blah.deb |
| 07:27.53 | dnipro | my xmms does not work at all |
| 07:27.53 | jknife | how do i build a kernel the deb way from a pkg i get from kernel.org? |
| 07:27.56 | ftp3 | thanks |
| 07:28.05 | ice_1963 | dpkg -i |
| 07:28.11 | Azar | dnipro: I could guess you did not install, configured alsa? |
| 07:28.21 | deadcat | !tell jknife about mantra |
| 07:28.35 | karsten | deadcat: Que pasta? |
| 07:28.37 | dnipro | How can i know that ? |
| 07:28.49 | deadcat | karsten: i dont know. stupid bot. |
| 07:28.52 | jknife | .... |
| 07:28.54 | vin` | jknife: use make-kpkg |
| 07:28.54 | dnipro | Shall I install alsa ? |
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| 07:29.02 | jknife | ok |
| 07:29.08 | Azar | karsten, you made me hungry now :) |
| 07:29.17 | deadcat | dnipro: if that will help sure |
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| 07:29.25 | vin` | jknife: package name kernel-package |
| 07:29.30 | dnipro | OK I check ... |
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| 07:29.40 | karsten | Azar: I *am* hungry right now. |
| 07:29.43 | jknife | ill do --help |
| 07:29.44 | jknife | or man |
| 07:29.49 | deadcat | i dont deserve this hostility |
| 07:29.52 | Azar | karsten: Azar loves pasta |
| 07:29.55 | deadcat | (= |
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| 07:30.18 | deadcat | ya. my classmate was showing this organic pasta box.. looked real good |
| 07:30.27 | Frem | !pasta Azar |
| 07:30.28 | ArtVandalae | If I want to remotely login to my debian machine via SSH on a semi-public machine, like those at school. Is there any way I can log into my debian machine at home without authenticating with a username or password? i.e. so keyloggers cannot see my username/password? |
| 07:30.30 | karsten | Azar: You can do far worse. |
| 07:30.47 | Azar | karsten: I love simple things, like potatoes and pasta |
| 07:30.53 | karsten | ArtVandalae: One-time passwords, or SSH keys. You still risk keysniffers. |
| 07:31.36 | dnipro | I have alsa-base installed 1.0.8-7 |
| 07:31.36 | Azar | .... enjoying them now until diabetes kick in |
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| 07:31.37 | karsten | Azar: Da. I can do a lot with rice, beans, veggies, and chicken. |
| 07:31.38 | deadcat | !tell jknife about kp-mantra |
| 07:31.40 | dnipro | And alsa-module-2.4.27-2-386 |
| 07:31.48 | stoned | Azar, potatoes are the best thing to have ever happened to mankind |
| 07:31.54 | Azar | dnipro: then open up your xmms, go to preferences and change the Oss plugin with ALSA |
| 07:32.03 | karsten | dnipro: 'dpkg --get-selections' lists your packages. Grep that for stuff. |
| 07:32.33 | tobias | question -- what's the earliest point I can hook into Debian's boot (init) sequence? |
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| 07:32.51 | ArtVandalae | stoned, that type of thinking got the Irish in a lot of trouble :P |
| 07:32.53 | karsten | dnipro: 'dpkg -l <packagename>' will give you a package's installed / removed / purged / configured status. |
| 07:33.03 | karsten | tobias: Technically, the bootloader and bootparams. |
| 07:33.21 | karsten | tobias: More generally, /etc/inittab or /etc/rcS.d |
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| 07:33.23 | tobias | hmm, how about right after the kernel loads |
| 07:33.27 | stoned | ArtVandalae, heh, I love potatoes man, I order a steak with fries,, potato salad, baked potatoe and mashed potatoes ALWAYS :/ |
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| 07:33.38 | ArtVandalae | haha |
| 07:33.39 | dnipro | I am in xmms now in preference |
| 07:33.41 | tobias | karsten: what is rcS.d? |
| 07:33.45 | stoned | im all about the meat and potatoes |
| 07:33.45 | karsten | tobias: What do you have in mind? |
| 07:33.48 | dnipro | where shall I go next |
| 07:33.51 | Azar | not to mention potatoe pudding, potatoe cake.. |
| 07:34.00 | stoned | ugh |
| 07:34.04 | stoned | now you're gettin sick |
| 07:34.07 | stoned | ;) |
| 07:34.09 | karsten | tobias: /etc/rcS.d/ is the directory in which the single-user SysV init scripts live. |
| 07:34.17 | stoned | too far with the potato there |
| 07:34.18 | tobias | karsten: I need to make some changes to the file system before things get running. I'm doing a shared NFS root and need to setup some directories on a ramdisk |
| 07:34.20 | Azar | dnipro: look at Plugins and if you see OSS change it to ALSA |
| 07:34.25 | dnipro | The graphism is very bad, it is writen very small almost not visible |
| 07:34.32 | stoned | hehe, salty things with potato is good |
| 07:34.39 | stoned | i can't stand potatoes and sweet stuff |
| 07:34.46 | tobias | karsten: so they'll always get executed on bootup before any of the other init scripts? |
| 07:34.52 | karsten | Azar: There's a high-falutin' restaurant in Palo Alto that really *doesn't* get it that well, but manages one really good dish they call "Israeli cigars", basically deep-fried potato tubes. |
| 07:34.54 | yonkeltron | would there be a reason i keep getting asked to authenticate my key on logon when using ssh-agent? |
| 07:35.03 | karsten | tobias: Do you grok SysV init? |
| 07:35.11 | Azar | karsten: interesting... a must try |
| 07:35.37 | tobias | karsten, uh, yes as far as i know.. |
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| 07:35.56 | tobias | karsten: do you think otherwise? |
| 07:36.00 | threat^M | I have an easy question, I have char varname[5][6]; will is have 5 rows and 6 column or 6 rows and 5 columns? |
| 07:36.07 | threat^M | is = I |
| 07:36.18 | karsten | tobias: Um. You may want to mess with your initrd. Otherwise anything prior to mounting your non-root filesystems may work. |
| 07:36.33 | gutano | threat^M: it will be 5 x 6, what youc all rows, and columns is up to you |
| 07:36.33 | karsten | tobias: I'm just trying to get a read. |
| 07:36.33 | dnipro | Now my wmms read without error but I cannot ear anything |
| 07:36.53 | Azar | dnipro: type alsamixer and unmute channels |
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| 07:37.00 | gutano | threat^M: a more accurate way to describe it is 5 elements each containing 6 elements |
| 07:37.15 | SkramX | i am testing debian... i have an old version installed (dont need to worry about kernel), what do i do to upgrade stuff? |
| 07:37.25 | SkramX | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade? |
| 07:37.30 | SkramX | is that all? im used to gentoo :) |
| 07:37.34 | tobias | karsten: hmm, no initrd. maybe I can setup my own /linuxrc and then invoke /sbin/init (or whatever, is that it) from that |
| 07:37.54 | deadcat | SkramX: thats update and upgrade the installed packages to the latest avaiables |
| 07:37.54 | dnipro | shall I install alsa-header ? |
| 07:37.57 | karsten | tobias: You can write your own SysV scripts and put them into the sequence wherever. Just realize that before any non-root filesystems are mounted you may not have access to files in /usr/{bin,sbin,lib}, prior to setting up networking, no remote access, etc. |
| 07:38.01 | Azar | SkramX: make sure your sources are set to "stable" then apt-get install aptitude and use it for dist-upgrade |
| 07:38.14 | Agentj87 | hi |
| 07:38.14 | SkramX | hrmm |
| 07:38.17 | SkramX | how do i set that? |
| 07:38.17 | SkramX | hehe |
| 07:38.21 | Agentj87 | i need sum help with rar |
| 07:38.28 | Azar | set what? |
| 07:38.29 | karsten | tobias: There's an /etc/init.d/skeleton script specifically there to be copied and modified for that purpose. |
| 07:38.35 | SkramX | sources to stable |
| 07:38.37 | karsten | Agentj87: ask. /msg dpkg ask |
| 07:38.43 | deadcat | SkramX: if you dont know. then you dont have to. it probably still stable |
| 07:38.44 | karsten | !tell SkramX about enter |
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| 07:38.53 | Azar | SkramX: it is time for you to learn about apt |
| 07:38.54 | SkramX | and whats aptitude? |
| 07:38.55 | SkramX | okay |
| 07:38.56 | SkramX | okay |
| 07:39.01 | deadcat | karsten: gentoo user. what you expect |
| 07:39.09 | SkramX | ha, ha. |
| 07:39.20 | karsten | deadcat: Who? tobias, Agentj87, or SkramX? |
| 07:39.28 | deadcat | karsten: SkramX |
| 07:39.31 | dnipro | shall I reboot my system and after that the problem will be solved ? |
| 07:39.43 | SkramX | hehe. very funny |
| 07:39.48 | dnipro | or shall I upgrade my version ? |
| 07:39.48 | deadcat | dnipro: reboot. if that dont work reinstall. |
| 07:39.49 | Azar | SkramX: http://os.newsforge.com/os/04/12/02/1710208.shtml?tid=2&tid=130 |
| 07:40.08 | dnipro | reinstall what ? |
| 07:40.15 | tobias | karsten: hmm, i'd prefer something more lightweight than what /etc/init.d/skeleton will give me. what do you think of my /linuxrc idea? |
| 07:40.16 | SkramX | debian-dev:/# apt-get upgrade |
| 07:40.17 | deadcat | os |
| 07:40.18 | SkramX | should work? |
| 07:40.23 | ftp3 | if i am logged in at the console, is there a command to open another window? |
| 07:40.26 | Azar | SkramX: use aptitude |
| 07:40.27 | deadcat | SkramX: try it |
| 07:40.38 | SkramX | okay, its installed.. i will read i guiess :) |
| 07:40.47 | deadcat | ftp3: screen or control alt F2 |
| 07:40.48 | karsten | tobias: Um. 'skeleton' basically is just 'start/stop/restart' with some infrastructure. I'd strongly recommend you use it. |
| 07:40.54 | SkramX | !tell SkramX about aptitude |
| 07:40.55 | deadcat | ftp3: just alt f2 |
| 07:41.05 | ftp3 | ah, cool :-) |
| 07:41.20 | ftp3 | how do I get back to the old window? |
| 07:41.22 | dnipro | It is very difficult here ! I came from a jabber conference we was 3 or 4 now here we are more than 600 ! |
| 07:41.28 | deadcat | ftp3: alt f1.. |
| 07:41.30 | simonrvn | it's called 'another console' |
| 07:41.31 | SkramX | see, i need to upgrade, not install stuff via apt. |
| 07:41.34 | SkramX | oh well. |
| 07:41.38 | ftp3 | thanks :-) |
| 07:41.47 | deadcat | simonrvn: probably a windows user. what do you expect (= |
| 07:41.56 | tobias | karsten: hm, i'm almost convinced -- but it doesn't really make sense to 'stop' my 'service' |
| 07:42.03 | karsten | deadcat: Blondes! I expect blondes! |
| 07:42.03 | nekostar | meh |
| 07:42.16 | deadcat | karsten: thats all you expect... blonde. |
| 07:42.17 | tobias | karsten: well it might... i'll stop bugging you and figure it out. thanks |
| 07:42.19 | SkramX | this is soo much better than gentoo haha |
| 07:42.24 | nekostar | what i want is an uuber light install of gnome |
| 07:42.28 | karsten | tobias: There are existing services which aren't "stopped". You can just give it a null or 'true' function. |
| 07:42.33 | simonrvn | ... |
| 07:42.33 | nekostar | with none of the usual apps really |
| 07:42.37 | karsten | deadcat: Sorry to disappoint you... |
| 07:42.39 | simonrvn | nonix4: no such thing |
| 07:42.40 | nekostar | is there a package like that? |
| 07:42.45 | simonrvn | nonix4: sorry |
| 07:42.49 | karsten | tobias: NP. |
| 07:42.51 | simonrvn | nekostar: ^^ |
| 07:42.55 | deadcat | nekostar: if you use gnome. dont expect to be "uuber" |
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| 07:42.59 | karsten | SkramX: Welcome aboard ;-) |
| 07:43.05 | karsten | deadcat: More like "gnuber" |
| 07:43.13 | deadcat | karsten: fuck him! (= |
| 07:43.17 | SkramX | hehe, yes, our company sells gentoo-VPSes, but we want to cate to debian users too. |
| 07:43.29 | nekostar | deadcat, |
| 07:43.34 | nekostar | i just want the gui stuff from it |
| 07:43.35 | simonrvn | crap where's my compose?! |
| 07:43.37 | SkramX | e17 all the way.. right. |
| 07:43.43 | nekostar | ill install fluxbox and slam that in |
| 07:43.52 | nekostar | swap it in for metacity |
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| 07:44.01 | nekostar | but i dont want all the gnome apps .... |
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| 07:44.17 | SkramX | like a portage tree, is there an apt-tree that all users on a network can share? |
| 07:44.21 | nekostar | gedit / mozilla / xmms / mplayer |
| 07:44.32 | nekostar | o yeah and xchat |
| 07:44.32 | deadcat | SkramX: we dont carea bout gentoo stuff. so please dont compare them here. |
| 07:44.37 | nekostar | thats all the apps i need/ |
| 07:44.50 | deadcat | nekostar: then why the hell you using gnome? |
| 07:44.54 | karsten | SkramX: You can set up apt proxies. apt-cache show apt-proxy |
| 07:44.57 | gutano | deadcat: some ppl are familiar with both, to ask him not to relate to what he knows is a bit harsh |
| 07:45.03 | ice_1963 | so jest install gnome-core |
| 07:45.05 | SkramX | karsten: okay, thank you |
| 07:45.15 | SkramX | but the machine that will hold the cache isnt debian |
| 07:45.16 | SkramX | hehe |
| 07:45.21 | karsten | deadcat: Lose the attitude. He's asking based on what he knows. It was a fair question. |
| 07:45.32 | Azar | SkramX: if you cate to debian in a gentoo way, I pitty users |
| 07:45.33 | nekostar | ice_1963, whats in gnome-core? |
| 07:45.33 | deadcat | karsten: what attitude? |
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| 07:45.38 | karsten | SkramX: You can run it in a chroot environment. It runs from inetd/xinetd. |
| 07:45.51 | ice_1963 | gnome |
| 07:45.52 | karsten | deadcat: It's that thing you've mistaken for a personality. |
| 07:45.55 | SkramX | right on, you have been a great help, karsten |
| 07:46.00 | nekostar | yes yes |
| 07:46.01 | karsten | SkramX: NP. |
| 07:46.03 | nekostar | what apps ? |
| 07:46.05 | deadcat | nekostar: apt-cache show gnome-core |
| 07:46.05 | SkramX | Geesh. |
| 07:46.07 | nekostar | none? |
| 07:46.09 | nekostar | ok |
| 07:46.37 | Azar | SkramX: with debian you have to learn respect the rules and administer it the debian way, not by the ear |
| 07:46.50 | nekostar | anything lighter than that? |
| 07:46.50 | karsten | SkramX: Another alternative is to just set up a large squid cache, tune it for slightly larger files (there's a few multi-MB packages, a few ~100MB), and have users hit that. |
| 07:46.57 | deadcat | nekostar: dont use gnome |
| 07:47.11 | bucky | gnome is great |
| 07:47.11 | SkramX | Yeah, we dont appreciate the anti-gentoo comments...but okay. |
| 07:47.12 | kevix | if anyone is interested, I have tested xorg=7.0 from experimental and lived to tell about it. this means it may be heading for sid hopefully. |
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| 07:47.16 | nekostar | eh |
| 07:47.17 | karsten | SkramX: Azar's got a point. There's some very good user documentation at http://www.debian.or/g |
| 07:47.18 | bucky | !start a wm war |
| 07:47.18 | dpkg | fvwm95 blows! |
| 07:47.22 | karsten | SkramX: .. modulo typos. |
| 07:47.24 | nekostar | i dont feel like messing with fluxbox |
| 07:47.25 | SkramX | okay, thanks. |
| 07:47.34 | nekostar | tomorrow mebbie :P |
| 07:47.36 | deadcat | bucky: i am not saying its not. he said something lighter, so i said dont use gnome. |
| 07:47.36 | Azar | nekostar: openbox3 is cool |
| 07:47.43 | karsten | SkramX: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 07:47.48 | gutano | kevix: scarry |
| 07:47.48 | deadcat | nekostar: try xfce4 then |
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| 07:48.01 | Frem | IceWM for teh win! |
| 07:48.03 | deadcat | simonrvn: screenshots? |
| 07:48.11 | nekostar | dont like xfce and openbox only has resizable corners on 2 corners... i want on all 4 |
| 07:48.20 | kevix | deadcat: yesterday I learned the gnome > gnome-desktop-environment > gnome-core |
| 07:48.23 | simonrvn | gutano: 'scary' 'scarry' is more like 'can cause or causes scars' |
| 07:48.23 | Azar | hahahaha |
| 07:48.24 | SkramX | i miss rc-status. |
| 07:48.30 | karsten | SkramX: srivasta's is pretty good. Grokking policy is absolutely key. |
| 07:48.39 | deadcat | kevix: i dont know what that means (= |
| 07:48.58 | kevix | deadcat: its a size comparison or feature comparison |
| 07:49.04 | dnipro | how do you make xmms with normal size font ? |
| 07:49.05 | gutano | simonrvn: thanks for the correction, I will be sure to buy a new keyboard where the r doesn't stick so I can spell it correctly |
| 07:49.05 | deadcat | o |
| 07:49.30 | deadcat | dnipro: there are some music player thats much better than xmms. |
| 07:49.41 | simonrvn | gutano: heh |
| 07:49.47 | dnipro | with one ? |
| 07:49.56 | deadcat | dnipro: let me find the name of that gui app |
| 07:50.02 | karsten | dnipro: There's a "Preferences" menu. I think that's in there. |
| 07:50.18 | simonrvn | ok. took a shot, but i have no idea where it dropped it |
| 07:50.20 | gutano | deadcat: no, but if you want gtk2 beep-media-player is damn near identical |
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| 07:50.33 | dnipro | Yes but the preference menu has strenge caracteres ( very small ) |
| 07:50.44 | axscode | is there any cheap MPEG4 encoder cards supported by debian sarge? |
| 07:50.48 | deadcat | Gnea: no. one of those music daemon and client thing? i dont remember the weird name |
| 07:50.59 | Azar | dnipro: whatever desktop environment you use .... might have format options |
| 07:51.10 | dnipro | kde |
| 07:51.21 | dnipro | kde 3.3 |
| 07:51.30 | nekostar | debian uses temp for stuff like isos when burning right? |
| 07:51.38 | Azar | dnipro: kde, I never used it, do not even know how it looks, you learn tweaking it |
| 07:51.44 | nekostar | i was thinking i could add a folder inside of /home and mount it there./... |
| 07:51.48 | kevix | axscode: you might want to check out mythtv and other sites for dvr like stuff |
| 07:51.51 | simonrvn | oh, has its own dir for it ... ok |
| 07:52.05 | deadcat | nekostar: if you want to keep / small. dont install anything. |
| 07:52.13 | nekostar | ~+~ |
| 07:52.15 | apt | Every moment in which im called upon is torture |
| 07:52.15 | dnipro | other application looks ok ( I can read the menu at least ) |
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| 07:52.33 | kevix | nekostar: then have /usr and /var and /home seperate |
| 07:52.34 | dnipro | But with xmms I can read hardly |
| 07:52.46 | Azar | dnipro: my xmms looks perfect and I do not use kde or gnome |
| 07:52.49 | simonrvn | @srs tmp/screenshot-20060309_0248.png |
| 07:52.49 | ravenbird | http://simonraven.nuit.ca/tmp/screenshot-20060309_0248.png |
| 07:52.59 | dnipro | anyway this is not important the most important thing is to hear something |
| 07:53.00 | karsten | nekostar: Temp images go where you put them, often /tmp by default. |
| 07:53.05 | simonrvn | deadcat: ^^ |
| 07:53.09 | deadcat | simonrvn: nice. you got the bot to paste your link? |
| 07:53.17 | karsten | nekostar: You can definitely dump stuff to /home |
| 07:53.21 | karsten | deadcat: It's his bot ;-) |
| 07:53.25 | deadcat | ah |
| 07:53.28 | nekostar | coo |
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| 07:53.40 | simonrvn | deadcat: nah, it's just a factoid with the relevant bits added beforehand |
| 07:53.42 | nekostar | im tired of ext3... |
| 07:53.43 | Slaughter | Good Morning |
| 07:53.50 | nekostar | what do yall think of jfs and xfs ? |
| 07:53.57 | simonrvn | @literal cmd: srs (.*?) |
| 07:53.57 | ravenbird | "cmd: srs (.*?)" is "($1): <reply>http://simonraven.nuit.ca/$1" |
| 07:54.03 | sep | xfs is great for very large files |
| 07:54.04 | cafuego | simonrvn: what have you done to that poor terminal? |
| 07:54.07 | Azar | is there a jack file system? |
| 07:54.23 | simonrvn | cafuego: hey! LTNS. doing ok? |
| 07:54.25 | Slaughter | at Bash, is it "if exits *.tmp then delete that's files"??? |
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| 07:54.31 | simonrvn | cafuego: what about it? |
| 07:54.39 | cafuego | simonrvn: Yeah, happily floating around lala-land :-) |
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| 07:54.50 | simonrvn | cool, good to hear |
| 07:54.52 | Slaughter | how is it? |
| 07:54.52 | karsten | simonrvn: What WM? I'm guessing one of the boxes or fvwm2 |
| 07:55.04 | kevix | Slaughter: that was a question? |
| 07:55.06 | simonrvn | fvwm-crystal (2) |
| 07:55.10 | Slaughter | at Bash, is it "if exits *.tmp then delete that's files"??? |
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| 07:55.23 | karsten | simonrvn: Cool. |
| 07:55.26 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 07:55.32 | dnipro | I found xmms-kde maybe it helps ?? |
| 07:55.33 | simonrvn | ENOPARSE |
| 07:55.45 | Azar | dnipro: yes, maybe that one works better |
| 07:55.58 | cafuego | Slaughter: "rm -f *.tmp" |
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| 07:56.19 | karsten | Slaughter: You want to delete files conditionally if htey exist? |
| 07:56.20 | cafuego | That will delete them if they exist. |
| 07:56.22 | gutano | nekostar: I tried jfs for fun a while back.. it's been very reliable, but if you use it on a server or something make sure it checks the disk on every boot because it will not mount a partition that has been uncleanly unmounted without a check (weird wording *shrug*) |
| 07:56.26 | Slaughter | i know cafuego but what is THE CONDITION? |
| 07:56.34 | karsten | Slaughter: for f in <list>; do test -f $f && rm $f; done |
| 07:56.38 | cafuego | Slaughter: Why would you _bother_ with one? |
| 07:56.40 | simonrvn | karsten: i've been meaning to try it out, but never got around to building it. hit sid today |
| 07:56.44 | karsten | Slaughter: man test; help test |
| 07:56.52 | karsten | Slaughter: OK. |
| 07:56.59 | dnipro | It works !!!:-) |
| 07:57.00 | karsten | Slaughter: NM. simonrvn ^^ |
| 07:57.06 | Slaughter | right, with test command, thanks man |
| 07:57.10 | Azar | dnipro: see? it wasnt big deal |
| 07:57.19 | kevix | Slaughter: test -e == -e |
| 07:57.27 | cafuego | note that test -f *.tmp may not produce the desired results. |
| 07:57.34 | dnipro | No but why sometimes it works sometimes not ??? |
| 07:57.35 | simonrvn | heheh |
| 07:57.45 | karsten | cafuego: Right. That's why I built a list ;-) |
| 07:57.45 | nekostar | ah |
| 07:57.47 | Azar | dnipro: I have no idea |
| 07:57.48 | nekostar | gotcha gutano |
| 07:57.50 | simonrvn | "may not" ? ;) |
| 07:57.51 | nekostar | thanx |
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| 07:58.02 | dnipro | It is like configuration files change automaticaly ? |
| 07:58.13 | cafuego | karsten: But if you're going to trash 'em anyway, why bother spawning a test process? |
| 07:58.15 | Azar | dnipro: depends what you do with your system |
| 07:58.21 | karsten | Slaughter: 'test' only works with a single file at a time, so you'll need to expand your glob manually. You can also just 'rm' a glob if you're sure it's what you think it is. |
| 07:58.26 | karsten | cafuego: Exactly. See ^^ |
| 07:58.47 | weedar_ | I finally discovered why my floppy drive was dead - lack of floppy cable :/ |
| 07:58.48 | karsten | cafuego: Conservation of return-code value. |
| 07:59.10 | karsten | weedar_: First law of computing: it works better if it's plugged in. |
| 07:59.15 | kevix | weedar_: how long a go did you open the box ? |
| 07:59.17 | simonrvn | weedar_: that'll kill any floppy drive ;) |
| 07:59.30 | cafuego | karsten: echo Deleted $(ls *.tmp) && rm -f *.tmp || echo oops |
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| 07:59.48 | dooglus | I can't find a package "checkinstall" for etch. It's available for stable and unstable, but not for etch? |
| 07:59.54 | weedar_ | But really guys, how was I to assume that I wouldn't have removed the floppy drive itself along with the cable |
| 08:00.07 | kevix | !haxx |
| 08:00.21 | cafuego | !info checkinstall etch |
| 08:00.33 | nekostar | so server install right.... |
| 08:00.36 | cafuego | dooglus: bug |
| 08:00.37 | simonrvn | weedar_: maybe you had a thought of "crap, i need a cable right now" then pulled it out of that one, not finding any other, and you forgot about it? |
| 08:00.40 | nekostar | then what do i gotta install to get gui stuff? |
| 08:00.42 | cafuego | dooglus: backport it ;-) |
| 08:00.58 | karsten | weedar_: The rock wishes to express its regrets and intent to move out of shame. |
| 08:01.05 | nekostar | apt-get install x-window-core gdm gnome-core |
| 08:01.07 | nekostar | just that? |
| 08:01.09 | nekostar | more stuff? |
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| 08:01.31 | kevix | nekostar: that will install the BASIC X and gnome |
| 08:01.48 | weedar_ | Actually, simonrvn, that sounds like exactly what happened. Oh and karsten, I'm never letting that rock move, never I tell you! |
| 08:01.51 | Azar | yep one of my Debian boxes won't boot up because the HD was secured with a locking key, it took me a while to remember that |
| 08:01.53 | simonrvn | karsten: hehehe |
| 08:02.22 | kevix | Azar: where did you put the sticky note with the password? |
| 08:02.39 | Azar | kevix, a phisical key... not password |
| 08:02.51 | kevix | Azar: ok. key != key |
| 08:02.52 | Azar | kevix removable HD with key lock |
| 08:02.59 | weedar_ | Ah, I have one of those Azar, also lost the key but at least it's in the "on"position ;) |
| 08:03.04 | simonrvn | they spelt 'physical' like that 400 years ago ;) |
| 08:03.17 | Azar | haha nice |
| 08:03.20 | simonrvn | oh, 600 actually, sorry |
| 08:03.34 | karsten | weedar_: Heh. |
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| 08:03.40 | simonrvn | saw it in a culpepper's book a while ago |
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| 08:03.52 | kevix | Azar: supposedly now you can get biometic keys for hd enclosures |
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| 08:04.00 | simonrvn | man, what they thought some stuff did back then ... |
| 08:04.02 | weedar_ | Actually, when discovering the lack of floppy cable I decided to install that hard drive with it's scsi controller. Wouldn't you know the mobo has the cpu placed in such a way that the scsi card doesn't fit? |
| 08:04.19 | simonrvn | some of it is valid, but some of it is garbage |
| 08:04.19 | Azar | kevix I guess it won't be so hard, they all are made the same |
| 08:04.46 | kevix | weedar_: time to get he hacksaw ! |
| 08:05.07 | karsten | kevix: There are thumbprint scanners on current Thinkpads. Problem's surfaced with Microsoft SW which transmits the print itself, rather than a hash of it. |
| 08:05.16 | simonrvn | who needs a hack saw when you have a rotary cutter? ;) |
| 08:05.17 | weedar_ | Kevix, hehe :D |
| 08:05.41 | simonrvn | karsten: eeew. no hash? that's gross |
| 08:05.42 | karsten | kevix: ... the problem being the same as transmission of any key: posession of the key is equal to identity proclaimed by that key. Bog-stupid design. |
| 08:05.43 | kevix | karsten: also the TCPA stuff x-( |
| 08:05.46 | karsten | simonrvn: Yeah. |
| 08:06.03 | karsten | simonrvn: And I've got an extreme shortage of thumbs. Very difficult to generate a new key. |
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| 08:06.11 | simonrvn | indeed |
| 08:06.16 | karsten | kevix: Right. |
| 08:06.28 | weedar_ | I could probably hook you up with a thumb if you give me a few hours.. |
| 08:06.33 | simonrvn | die, get born in another body, there new thumb .... |
| 08:06.33 | wireddd | karsten, all you need is a soldering iron and a high pain tolerance |
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| 08:06.39 | karsten | kevix: I'd much prefer a cardreader, token, fob, OTP, and similar stuff. |
| 08:06.55 | karsten | wireddd: ... or ready access to novacaine. |
| 08:07.12 | kevix | karsten: what about that stuff in belgum. the smartcard gov. id? |
| 08:07.28 | Azar | I envision the future secure key: licking the screen: dna signature |
| 08:07.39 | karsten | kevix: I'm very much _for_ highly secure forms of system authentication. |
| 08:07.40 | weedar_ | I'm not sure that is sanitary Azar.. |
| 08:07.51 | karsten | kevix: I'm very much _against_ single, mandated forms of same. |
| 08:08.02 | Azar | weedar_: who cares: the safety of the system is more important |
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| 08:08.29 | kevix | karsten: then why did belgum do it? |
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| 08:08.34 | ma3x | hi |
| 08:08.35 | wireddd | I would prefer kings quest style puzzles for authentication |
| 08:08.36 | ma3x | I often get system lock ups (freeze) |
| 08:08.38 | ma3x | they happen randomly |
| 08:08.43 | ma3x | what's the reason that's causing them? |
| 08:08.49 | ma3x | I can't see anything in the logs |
| 08:08.49 | karsten | kevix: I'd like the flexibility to identify myself as any of a number of identities, created at my discretion, depending on circumstances. Being able to prove I am in fact a single specific entity is generally markedly less interesting. |
| 08:08.51 | weedar_ | wireddd, push rock, get dagger from hole? |
| 08:08.53 | Azar | ma3x: what OS are you using? |
| 08:09.04 | karsten | kevix: NFC. And I really don't know what they're doing. |
| 08:09.09 | wireddd | weedar_, yeah is there something I can apt-get for that |
| 08:09.09 | ma3x | Azar, sid |
| 08:09.12 | Azar | ma3x: nevermind, check your fan |
| 08:09.14 | karsten | ma3x: I think it's stuff that's causing it. |
| 08:09.33 | ma3x | Azar, what about the fan? I have laptop |
| 08:09.35 | weedar_ | wireddd, sarien =) |
| 08:09.45 | ma3x | karsten, stuff tells me nothing. I wanna find out what stuff! |
| 08:09.49 | ma3x | and I don't know how |
| 08:09.49 | Azar | ma3x: no cooling ? |
| 08:09.50 | karsten | ma3x: Check hardware, connections, memory, CPU, seatings of all connections. Run memtest86+ (overnight preferably), cpuburn, bonnie. |
| 08:09.54 | kevix | karsten: to allow for that you need an online db for info to match to your N idĹ› |
| 08:10.14 | karsten | kevix: Look at public-key infrastructure, for example. |
| 08:10.28 | kevix | karsten: pgp.mit.edu |
| 08:10.35 | karsten | kevix: And my needs do *not* generally entail the ability to prove to two entities that I'm the same person. |
| 08:10.42 | karsten | kevix: Right. |
| 08:10.54 | ma3x | karsten, how do I do that? |
| 08:11.23 | wireddd | weedar_, yeah but how do I get that to work with gdm/kdm for my login screen :) |
| 08:11.29 | ma3x | karsten, I have set up a script to do modprobe -r acx; modprobe acx when my wireless is down |
| 08:11.29 | karsten | ma3x: Install the apps, or get media with them (recent Knoppix for example), run tests. |
| 08:11.39 | karsten | kevix: 8DE4D38E |
| 08:11.40 | ma3x | karsten, it does it many times, but it doesn't freeze |
| 08:11.50 | satans_n1 | i ran this "is you isp fucking up your resolv.conf?" now i don't get network |
| 08:11.54 | ma3x | karsten, now, maybe one of all those times it happens so, that it freezes |
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| 08:12.19 | Azar | satans_n1: isp revenge? |
| 08:12.34 | ma3x | karsten, cpuburn and bonnie are apps? |
| 08:12.38 | satans_n1 | here's a dump of a working: http://subshop.nu/~tomas/ifconfig |
| 08:12.44 | satans_n1 | Azar: no :( |
| 08:12.59 | simonrvn | you can set dhclient to not get nameserver data from the dhcpd and not overwrite resolv.conf |
| 08:13.05 | Azar | ma3x: usually a "freeze" (blue screen of death in windows worlds) might likely be a hardware problem |
| 08:13.05 | karsten | ma3x: You're going to have to sort this out. If you can enable serial logging to another system you may get a trace. Look at your logfiles. Try to figure out what's causing the problem. 95% likelihood it's bad HW, most likely capacitors, mobo, CPU, or RAM in about that order. About a 4% chance it's drivers. Oh, and that's after reseating your cables. |
| 08:13.08 | ma3x | karsten, or is it possible because of apt-get upgrade, to freeze? I mean you upgrade and then after some time randomly it freezes |
| 08:13.10 | karsten | !tell ma3x about search. |
| 08:13.13 | karsten | ma3x: apt-cache search <term> |
| 08:13.21 | nekostar | er |
| 08:13.22 | karsten | ma3x: Lots of things are possible. |
| 08:13.29 | satans_n1 | simonrvn: well, i know the nameservers are right |
| 08:13.31 | nekostar | there's no x-window-core package! |
| 08:13.42 | Azar | nekostar: so get it! |
| 08:13.44 | karsten | nekostar: apt-cache search x-windnow |
| 08:13.44 | satans_n1 | but i can't even run dhclient |
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| 08:13.48 | karsten | nekostar: apt-cache search x-window |
| 08:13.54 | simonrvn | x-window-system-core |
| 08:13.57 | ma3x | karsten, how can I research cables, I have laptop. I don't wanna get all screws apart |
| 08:13.58 | nekostar | none of that |
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| 08:14.16 | Azar | ma3x: call the manufacturer and complain |
| 08:14.28 | nekostar | oo |
| 08:14.31 | ma3x | Azar, HP they don't support linux |
| 08:14.35 | nekostar | x-window-system0cire |
| 08:14.37 | nekostar | :D |
| 08:14.49 | Azar | ma3x: shame on them, Id return it and get a linux friendly laptop |
| 08:14.52 | weedar_ | wireddd, although I'm taking your idea way too serious...If there's a flag set when you win the game you could let sarien return your password on exit. I betcha it could be done! =) |
| 08:14.56 | karsten | ma3x: If it's worked reliably for a while, it may not be. Check your power connection (they can wear loose), any other loose stuff, contacts on your battery, and possibly pop off keyboard and check that internal cabling's snug. |
| 08:15.02 | ma3x | Azar, I can't do that , it's out of warranty |
| 08:15.15 | karsten | nekostar: x-window-system-core |
| 08:15.31 | nekostar | yessir thats what i meant |
| 08:15.33 | nekostar | i must say |
| 08:15.36 | Azar | ma3x: what karsten said: most likely is your laptop hardware failing. |
| 08:15.37 | nekostar | i friggan love debian |
| 08:15.41 | nekostar | ive tried a few other linuxes |
| 08:15.49 | nekostar | but nothing works as smoothly :) |
| 08:15.56 | karsten | ma3x: Used Thinkpad T21s are about $350, T23s ~$850. |
| 08:15.59 | weedar_ | I have two computers that get IP-adresses via DHCP - Is there any way to make dhclient attempt to get a certain IP instead of a random one or is that only possible on the dhcp server? |
| 08:16.10 | nekostar | my compiling skills suck though :/ |
| 08:16.13 | ma3x | karsten, what are they for? |
| 08:16.15 | karsten | weedar_: Yes. RTFM on DHCP. You can assign by MAC. |
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| 08:16.38 | karsten | ma3x: IBM / Lenovo Thinkpads. Generally handle Linux very well. |
| 08:16.39 | dooglus | I can't connect to my listening ports from outside my host. iptables seems to not have any rules configured; the router has port forwarding set up - what might I be doing wrong? |
| 08:16.41 | satans_n1 | simonrvn: i have a working ifconfig as reference. could i manually edit dhclient.conf with an alias eth1? i see no other way. i have even chmodded resolv.conf to 777 now |
| 08:16.48 | weedar_ | karsten, goodie, thanks! btw, sorry on the not rtfm'ing..It hit me just after I hit enter :/ |
| 08:16.52 | karsten | dooglus: What's your routing look like? |
| 08:17.08 | karsten | dooglus: ... and "from outside" == on LAN or from Intarweb? |
| 08:17.10 | dooglus | karsten: I don't know; how do I find out? |
| 08:17.15 | ma3x | karsten, you know some german site off the hand, to take a closer look on prices, specifics |
| 08:17.21 | karsten | dooglus: 'route -n' |
| 08:17.27 | simonrvn | satans_n1: chmod 777 is 99.9% never the answer to things like that. see what karsten said. you'll be happier for it |
| 08:17.28 | Azar | ma3x: you could google |
| 08:17.36 | dooglus | karsten: "from outside" == on LAN, from Intraweb or even from my own host using my external IP address |
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| 08:17.49 | karsten | ma3x: Nein. Aber heir kann Mann Froogle oder NextWeb fragt. Oder Craigslit. |
| 08:18.04 | gutano | weedar_: I'm quite sure karsten meant on the server not the client end of that... |
| 08:18.16 | karsten | dooglus: Does 'netstat -ltvp' show your processes? |
| 08:18.27 | Azar | :) karsten! du beast oder nicht du beast das ist der frage |
| 08:18.28 | satans_n1 | simonrvn: he/she said what? :< where are the dhcp logs |
| 08:18.33 | karsten | weedar_: What gutano said. |
| 08:18.37 | weedar_ | gutano, darn...because in this cause the sever is a belkin router, with no way of setting that as an option |
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| 08:18.55 | superlinux | hi all |
| 08:18.59 | ma3x | karsten, I'll start off with cpuburn. for how long should I run it? |
| 08:19.01 | weedar_ | I hate having to alter the firewall settings just because I booted the wrong computer first |
| 08:19.02 | karsten | Azar: Ich bin ein Jelly Donut. |
| 08:19.04 | dooglus | karsten: oddly enough it just started spontanouesly working when I restarted the server. thanks for your help. |
| 08:19.12 | simonrvn | satans_ny: man dhclient.conf; |
| 08:19.18 | karsten | ma3x: 5-10 minutes. Less if you see smoke. |
| 08:19.25 | kevix | weedar_: do you have udev ? |
| 08:19.27 | superlinux | which Linux certification is best? LPI or RHCE? |
| 08:19.27 | karsten | dooglus: That can also help. |
| 08:19.29 | Azar | :) ich bin ary |
| 08:19.34 | ma3x | karsten, it could die so quickly? |
| 08:19.38 | simonrvn | "woops, the magic smoke came out" |
| 08:19.43 | weedar_ | kevix, yes.. |
| 08:19.45 | karsten | dooglus: Most servers won't reread their config files without a reload or restart (Samba is an exception). |
| 08:19.46 | gutano | weedar_: what I do in similar situations is have the router give out say ip's 3-100, and use 2 as a static for myself |
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| 08:19.59 | karsten | superlinux: The one used the by the job you want. |
| 08:20.02 | simonrvn | exim4 does that too |
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| 08:20.06 | karsten | superlinux: I've never been asked for a Linux cert. |
| 08:20.22 | simonrvn | which fucking rocks for what i have it do ;) |
| 08:20.22 | kevix | weedar_: well you can use ifrename for fix the boot/interface problem or use udev to create you own naming for the eth0 and eth1 |
| 08:20.22 | karsten | simonrvn: Does it now. |
| 08:20.30 | weedar_ | gutano, but is it possible to set the IP-adress as static and still get information about nameserver (for example) via dhcp? |
| 08:20.30 | superlinux | but as a program meant to be taught |
| 08:20.33 | dooglus | karsten: I noticed, looking at "ifconfig" output that my eth0 MAC address was all zeroes. I made up a new mac address and used that. could that be what 'fixed' it? |
| 08:20.42 | superlinux | karsten, but as a program meant to be taught? |
| 08:20.54 | karsten | dooglus: Um. All zeros isn't native. You'd previously modded that? |
| 08:20.58 | weedar_ | Kevix,sorry these are two different computers, not one computer with two NICs |
| 08:21.07 | dooglus | karsten: I only installed debian a few hours ago. |
| 08:21.09 | karsten | superlinux: I'd lean toward LPI myself. |
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| 08:21.20 | dooglus | karsten: I didn't touch the MAC address - it was all zeroes |
| 08:21.30 | superlinux | me too |
| 08:21.35 | karsten | dooglus: MACs are assigned to manufacturers according to an IEEE spec and allocation. |
| 08:21.37 | gutano | weedar_: I haven't tried to retrieve dynamic dns, and use static ip before... might be possible, but I just make the dns's static |
| 08:21.38 | karsten | dooglus: Odd. |
| 08:21.46 | simonrvn | you only see all zeroes on a MAC address if it's a virtual iface |
| 08:21.49 | dooglus | karsten: it's the same in mandrake and ubuntu. |
| 08:22.01 | threat | hi |
| 08:22.04 | karsten | dooglus: RHCE isn't going to teach you much about Debian. Fact is a lot of the current jobs are RHEL. |
| 08:22.11 | simonrvn | like say tunl0 or such |
| 08:22.14 | karsten | dooglus: What's the NIC? |
| 08:22.19 | weedar_ | gutano, ok :) |
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| 08:22.31 | karsten | simonrvn: I'm leaning that way. |
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| 08:23.13 | dooglus | karsten: it's a laptop, I guess it's an SiS NIC? |
| 08:23.16 | gutano | weedar_: now I'm curious if it is possible, lol.... goes digging in man pages |
| 08:23.26 | dooglus | karsten: I wasn't the one asking about certification |
| 08:23.29 | karsten | dooglus: 'lspci' or 'dmidecode' |
| 08:23.31 | karsten | dooglus: NM. |
| 08:23.42 | karsten | superlinux: ^^ WRT RHCE. |
| 08:23.58 | dooglus | 0000:00:03.0 Ethernet controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS900 PCI Fast Ethernet (rev 90) |
| 08:23.58 | superlinux | what abt it? |
| 08:24.07 | karsten | dooglus: Smells like SIS. |
| 08:24.18 | karsten | superlinux: WRT certification. |
| 08:24.32 | superlinux | what abt it? |
| 08:24.46 | superlinux | what do u wanna say? |
| 08:24.56 | weedar_ | gutano, great! I have to pop out for about an hour, but I'll check back with you in an hour =) |
| 08:24.56 | superlinux | what do u like to say? |
| 08:25.09 | keta | dumb question from a mutt user, as i see from evolution's menus I can keep synced my mail and addressbook between a palm and evolution, but I'd need to keep synced N evolution running on N debian boxes. Does evolution support this internally or should I look forward on syncing evolution's data file via something like rsync? |
| 08:25.11 | Azar | superlinux: what certification? |
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| 08:25.31 | superlinux | well i am leaning to teach LPI cos it's better |
| 08:25.37 | superlinux | i dont have any |
| 08:25.46 | Azar | superlinux: what LPI ? |
| 08:26.09 | superlinux | Linux Proffessional institute |
| 08:26.20 | superlinux | lpic.org |
| 08:26.21 | Azar | superlinux: hmm and why Debian? |
| 08:26.58 | Azar | superlinux: cos u think Debian is easier? |
| 08:27.02 | superlinux | cos i have been thru Redhat and it really bad |
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| 08:27.28 | Azar | superlinux: manuals for Debian and good luck man: http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals |
| 08:27.31 | superlinux | it's not the easiness of debian cos deb is not that easy |
| 08:27.44 | kevix | !dpkg hcl is "the debian gnu/linux device drive check page" setup by Kenshu Muto at http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ you paste in 'lspci -n´ and it lists what kernel modules you need or you can check what other computers have their info listed |
| 08:27.44 | dpkg | i'm not going to learn illegal characters, kevix |
| 08:27.46 | Azar | superlinux: manuals ^^^^ up ^^^^^ |
| 08:28.06 | simonrvn | easy on the ` |
| 08:28.08 | superlinux | ok |
| 08:28.09 | karsten | keta: There are some distributed addressbooks. I've never found any of them particularly usable. Possibly an LDAP system, but I haven't found a good mutt query tool. |
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| 08:28.14 | kevix | !dpkg hcl is \"the debian gnu/linux device drive check page\" setup by Kenshu Muto at http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ you paste in 'lspci -n´ and it lists what kernel modules you need or you can check what other computers have their info listed |
| 08:28.14 | dpkg | kevix: i'm not going to learn illegal characters |
| 08:28.26 | simonrvn | kevix: easy on the ` |
| 08:28.27 | Azar | poor dpkg don't abuse him |
| 08:28.33 | superlinux | Azar, the issue i am saerching for a good program to teach linux |
| 08:28.33 | kevix | !dpkg hcl is the debian gnu/linux device drive check page setup by Kenshu Muto at http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ you paste in 'lspci -n´ and it lists what kernel modules you need or you can check what other computers have their info listed |
| 08:28.33 | dpkg | kevix: i'm not going to learn illegal characters |
| 08:28.43 | stoned | when you play a file with artsd, where does the decoding of the audio file occur. for example, if you play an mp3 with artsplay, what is decoding the mp3? |
| 08:28.45 | simonrvn | kevix: ... |
| 08:28.51 | jm_ | you have some crap character -- 'lspci -n?? |
| 08:28.55 | Azar | superlinux: in that link you have SEVERAL manuals, good ones |
| 08:29.01 | superlinux | and the manager is prefering a Licence based program |
| 08:29.02 | kevix | simonrvn: what are the illegal chars for dpkg |
| 08:29.13 | superlinux | Azar, thanks |
| 08:29.17 | Azar | kevix that A with a hat |
| 08:29.22 | simonrvn | the forward quote you have in there |
| 08:29.22 | superlinux | i am a debian user by the way |
| 08:29.33 | superlinux | my desk currently is debian |
| 08:30.01 | kevix | simonrvn: I dont see any |
| 08:30.10 | simonrvn | you paste in 'lspci -n´ |
| 08:30.21 | simonrvn | the last char is the bugger |
| 08:30.29 | superlinux | Azar, if can make redhat out of the way... efff! |
| 08:30.32 | kevix | simonrvn: ok. will redo. |
| 08:30.42 | Azar | kevix maybe your irc does not show it to you is 'lspci -nA` where A has a hat |
| 08:30.45 | simonrvn | ok |
| 08:30.53 | kevix | !dpkg hcl is the debian gnu/linux device drive check page setup by Kenshu Muto at http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ you paste in 'lspci -n' and it lists what kernel modules you need or you can check what other computers have their info listed |
| 08:30.53 | dpkg | ...but hcl is already something else... |
| 08:30.56 | simonrvn | Azar: it's utf-8 |
| 08:30.56 | superlinux | the page is timing out |
| 08:31.10 | Azar | simonrvn: ah wow I see |
| 08:31.12 | superlinux | bye |
| 08:31.22 | kevix | !dpkg hwcheck is the debian gnu/linux device drive check page setup by Kenshu Muto at http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ you paste in 'lspci -n' and it lists what kernel modules you need or you can check what other computers have their info listed |
| 08:31.22 | dpkg | okay, kevix |
| 08:31.24 | ma3x | hey how do I start memtest86+ ? |
| 08:31.25 | keta | karsten: yes, I'm building such environment for addressbooks, but I've more interest in mail messages syncing |
| 08:31.29 | ma3x | it has no execution file |
| 08:31.29 | SerajewelKS | !hcl |
| 08:31.29 | dpkg | somebody said hcl was at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, or see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, or http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 08:31.45 | SerajewelKS | kevix: what was wrong with the old factoid |
| 08:31.50 | karsten | keta: imap. |
| 08:31.55 | kevix | !hwcheck |
| 08:31.55 | dpkg | [hwcheck] the debian gnu/linux device drive check page setup by Kenshu Muto at http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ you paste in 'lspci -n' and it lists what kernel modules you need or you can check what other computers have their info listed |
| 08:31.58 | karsten | keta: ... which still sucks. |
| 08:32.03 | Azar | good night honorables |
| 08:32.17 | ma3x | karsten how do I run memtest? |
| 08:32.24 | karsten | keta: Note that you *can* read mbox or Maildir folders in both mutt and Evo, though Evil Things may happen if you try to do both at onc.e |
| 08:32.33 | karsten | ma3x: Install it and read the fscking instructions. |
| 08:32.56 | kevix | SerajewelKS: I was making something that is JUST about kmuto's page |
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| 08:33.03 | karsten | ma3x: It runs at boot from your bootloader rather than a kernel. Keep running it until you're tired of watching it, or it errors out. |
| 08:33.21 | SerajewelKS | kevix: but there are other hcl-type sites, why clobber them? |
| 08:33.28 | karsten | ma3x: If you install memtest86+ in Debian and use GRUB you'll automatically get a boot stanza added. |
| 08:33.28 | ma3x | karsten, so I should reboot |
| 08:33.31 | ma3x | I can't run it just like this |
| 08:33.41 | karsten | ma3x: I think there's a user-space variant. |
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| 08:33.43 | kevix | SerajewelKS: dpkg said hcl was taken, so I used hwcheck |
| 08:33.45 | karsten | ma3x: booting is better. |
| 08:34.00 | SerajewelKS | kevix: indeed, and you'll note that hcl already contains that link |
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| 08:34.17 | ma3x | karsten, how about cpuburn, burnBX burnK6 burnK7 burnMMX burnP5 burnP6 |
| 08:34.17 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:34.57 | kevix | SerajewelKS: yes. but mine is worded differently |
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| 08:35.13 | karsten | ma3x: Not familiar with most of theose. burnK6 should be your P4 option. |
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| 08:35.45 | Coweater | P6 |
| 08:35.46 | ma3x | karsten, can you explain why you choose burnK6 as p4 option? |
| 08:35.48 | SerajewelKS | kevix: yes, but don't go trying to overwrite a factoid with one that contains less information |
| 08:35.57 | Coweater | K6 would be amd's chip |
| 08:36.08 | karsten | ma3x: Guessing. Possibly wrong. |
| 08:36.15 | ma3x | ooh, guessing won't do any good |
| 08:36.27 | ma3x | and the bloody bastards didn't put anything useful in the manual about it |
| 08:36.29 | karsten | ma3x: ... try P5 or P6 then, or read the damned manpage. |
| 08:36.36 | ma3x | karsten, it's not in the manpage |
| 08:36.37 | rysiek|pl | hi there guys |
| 08:36.44 | kevix | SerajewelKS: if there was a way to list the other factoids, I'd may have checked. but I didnt mean to overright an existing one. |
| 08:36.53 | karsten | ma3x: /usr/share/doc/<package> |
| 08:37.09 | SerajewelKS | kevix: ah, good thing dpkg tries to prevent you from making that mistake then =) |
| 08:37.15 | rysiek|pl | anybody willing to tell a noob how to disable X server and XDM starting-up on boot? |
| 08:37.23 | SerajewelKS | !nodm rysiek|pl |
| 08:37.26 | SerajewelKS | !nodm |
| 08:37.26 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 08:37.27 | rebus | hello: i've trouble in mounting a ntfs partition. this is fstab line: /dev/sda1 /mnt/datawin ntfs defaults, umask=000 0 0 |
| 08:37.27 | rebus | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:37.27 | rebus | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:37.31 | SerajewelKS | rysiek|pl: dpkg ^^^ |
| 08:37.32 | karsten | !tell rysiek|pl about disable xdm |
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| 08:37.35 | kevix | SerajewelKS: it comes from the unix heritage, dont clobber stuff! |
| 08:38.13 | karsten | rysiek|pl: Um. Remove them or see above. |
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| 08:38.50 | rysiek|pl | thx :) |
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| 08:41.20 | rysiek|pl | karsten: ummm... I don't think I want to remove "x-window-system" (I want to use it through startx) |
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| 08:42.11 | karsten | rysiek|pl: The X startup is one of the X display managers: xdm, gdm, kdm, wdm. |
| 08:42.12 | rysiek|pl | and apt-get remove xdm results in x-window-system marked for deletion o_O |
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| 08:42.26 | karsten | ma3x: less /usr/share/doc/cpuburn/README |
| 08:42.30 | ma3x | karsten, alright I'm testing it with burnp6, and nothing happens yet |
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| 08:42.36 | ma3x | karsten, yeah I saw thanks |
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| 08:42.41 | kevix | rysiek|pl: x-window-system is a metapackage |
| 08:42.48 | karsten | rysiek|pl: IIRC x-window-system is mostly a virtual package. |
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| 08:42.55 | Psi-Jack | Hey, anyone know if 16 chars is the /max/ username/groupname Linux can actually properly support or could it go up to 25? |
| 08:42.55 | simonrvn | it is |
| 08:42.58 | ma3x | karsten, should I then ctrl+c it in 10 mins? |
| 08:43.00 | karsten | ma3x: Good. You're asking fewer annoying questions ;-) |
| 08:43.02 | karsten | ma3x: Yeah. |
| 08:43.06 | rebus | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:43.08 | simonrvn | just pulls in various packages |
| 08:43.11 | rebus | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:43.13 | rysiek|pl | m'kay, let's just see what happens |
| 08:43.32 | ma3x | karsten, can't I leave it just like that for a few hours? |
| 08:43.35 | karsten | ma3x: ... or less time if your system starts acting strangely, temps get too high, smoke appears, etc. |
| 08:43.39 | rysiek|pl | rebus: you have to add it to /etc/fstab |
| 08:43.43 | mrverbose | is it possible to somehow cache downloaded debian packages for other clients on the same network? |
| 08:43.44 | karsten | ma3x: I wouldn't unless I was really sure of my cooling. |
| 08:43.53 | karsten | !tell mrverbose about apt-proxy |
| 08:43.54 | rebus | rysiek|pl, certainly |
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| 08:44.01 | kevix | rebus: send me air fair and I'll be there in a few hours |
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| 08:44.20 | karsten | ... and some foul. |
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| 08:44.26 | mrverbose | karsten: ah, thats what i've been looking for |
| 08:44.27 | rebus | -_-' |
| 08:44.30 | ma3x | karsten, but I don't think it's the cpu causing my freezes - because I never really use the cpu for anything, its usage is minimal |
| 08:44.40 | kevix | karsten: not any mad duck x-) |
| 08:44.42 | rysiek|pl | rebus: or try: mount /dev/sda1 /your/mountpoint |
| 08:44.47 | karsten | ma3x: My own suspicion is capacitors. |
| 08:45.05 | ma3x | karsten, what's that? on the motherboard those black things? |
| 08:45.08 | karsten | !tell ma3x about capacitors |
| 08:45.22 | karsten | ma3x: Blue, black, grey. Colors vary. Usually large cylinders. |
| 08:45.28 | karsten | ma3x: See factoid. |
| 08:46.02 | ma3x | oh yeah I've seen those. They burned on my desktop pc mobo last year when I changed the voltage |
| 08:46.08 | ma3x | well just one burned, nothing big deal |
| 08:46.13 | rysiek|pl | brb |
| 08:46.40 | kevix | !dpkg beer all |
| 08:46.43 | ma3x | alright karsten I'll stop this cpu shit, it just produces noise |
| 08:46.47 | rebus | rysiek|pl, thanks |
| 08:46.58 | ma3x | karsten, could it be skype causing my lockup? |
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| 08:47.06 | ma3x | hm, but I think once it froze without skype running |
| 08:47.27 | ma3x | karsten, I also have the option pci=route in the boot loader, is that a problem? |
| 08:47.43 | kevix | ma3x: you can always smell the mobo to see if anything is suspicious |
| 08:48.03 | deadcat | karsten: already? its only 1247 |
| 08:48.44 | ma3x | kevix, nothing really, it just smells like a hair dryer while running the cpu testing tool |
| 08:48.46 | kevix | deadcat: gmt-8 in la la land |
| 08:48.55 | rysiek|pl | rebus: no prob |
| 08:48.57 | mrverbose | karsten: can i also cache the apt-get update information with apt-proxy? |
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| 08:50.30 | bk_ankur | which player i need to use to play .ogg extension file |
| 08:50.42 | deadcat | bk_ankur: mplayer does |
| 08:50.57 | kevix | bk_ankur: ogg vorbis or ogg theora ? |
| 08:51.03 | rysiek|pl | bk_ankur: xmms, beep-media-player and loads of other too |
| 08:51.14 | rysiek|pl | now that's weird: I have apt-get removed xdm (and x-window-system along with it), I have been asked if I really want to stop XDM (chose "yes") and... I still have x server and xdm running o_O |
| 08:51.45 | kevix | rysiek|pl: stuff is in memory and stuff is on HD |
| 08:51.58 | rysiek|pl | whatismore, /etc/init.d/xdm stop and /etc/init.d/xfree86-common stop do nothing |
| 08:52.46 | rysiek|pl | (besides, after removing xdm, I would thin there should be no /etc/init.d/xdm :| ) |
| 08:52.48 | ma3x | if I type one line of a few commands, for eg. 'modprobe -r module; modprobe module', how can I execute it 100 times? |
| 08:52.57 | ma3x | do I have to specify the && thing, or is there another way too? |
| 08:53.37 | rysiek|pl | ma3x: for [[ I=1; $I < 100; I++]]; do (your commands here); done |
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| 08:54.33 | kevix | ma3x: for i in `seq 100`; do date; done |
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| 08:54.42 | nekostar | im almost to a fully configured system and in under a gig of disk space! :P |
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| 08:54.55 | rysiek|pl | ma3x: my bad! it should be: for (( I=1; $I < 100; I++ )); do (your commands here); done |
| 08:55.01 | ma3x | rysiek|pl, yeah i've seen |
| 08:55.09 | rysiek|pl | :P |
| 08:55.10 | kevix | nekostar: fully configured to do what x-) |
| 08:55.13 | ma3x | rysiek|pl, you bad scripter :p |
| 08:55.18 | nekostar | Kevin`, mostly sit there |
| 08:55.25 | nekostar | play vids/songs and irc chat |
| 08:55.28 | nekostar | :P |
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| 08:55.33 | rysiek|pl | ma3x: never said I'm a good one :) |
| 08:55.43 | bk_ankur | i hve played .ogg extension in realplayer. but i am not getting sound. do i need to install .ogg codec for that ? |
| 08:55.49 | susperia | nekostar: i can fully configure a system for those purposes in 1.44 MB :P |
| 08:55.53 | rysiek|pl | ok, so how do I stop XDM and X server (without using kill ;) ) |
| 08:55.54 | kevix | nekostar: base system < 1 GB, porn and other things > 120GB |
| 08:56.07 | nekostar | yeah thats about right kevix |
| 08:56.15 | nekostar | susperia, im pulling the bullshit card :P |
| 08:56.34 | nekostar | i actually need a shitload of codecs |
| 08:56.41 | nekostar | thats 40MB there |
| 08:56.51 | susperia | nekostar: me too. |
| 08:56.57 | rysiek|pl | nekostar: that's, like, 4% of your base system :] |
| 08:56.57 | kevix | bk_ankur: alsamixer |
| 08:57.04 | rredd4 | Trying to reinstall grub. Found instructions on google. The mkdir, mount, chroot, grub are not commands in the console. What can I do to reinstall grub? |
| 08:57.12 | rysiek|pl | nekostar: where did the rest 96% go? :) |
| 08:57.27 | rredd4 | in Sarge cd1 |
| 08:57.32 | susperia | guys, when upgrading packages in deb, the config files in /etc are generally not "protected" right? are there ways to protect config files form being overwirtten by updates |
| 08:57.32 | nekostar | having the stuff holding it look nice |
| 08:57.33 | nekostar | :D |
| 08:57.34 | liable | rysiek|pl: what do you mean they are not commands? |
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| 08:57.39 | kevix | rredd4: get live cd, chroot to hd, redo grub |
| 08:57.46 | nekostar | i could have done a flux install on top of a server install |
| 08:57.58 | nekostar | tossed in xmms xchat and mplayer and been done |
| 08:57.59 | nekostar | :P |
| 08:58.07 | rredd4 | kevix: debian live cd, did not know there was one?? |
| 08:58.14 | rysiek|pl | liable: I think that was ment to go to rred4 |
| 08:58.32 | kevix | rredd4: well, knoppix, morphix, mephis... |
| 08:58.44 | liable | rysiek|pl: yeah, sorry. |
| 08:59.01 | rysiek|pl | liable: but still, you can tell me how to gracefully stop xserver :] |
| 08:59.04 | rredd4 | kevix: i have knoppix, says it cannot write to a read only syste, |
| 08:59.05 | rredd4 | m |
| 08:59.08 | deadcat | debian live is being worked on |
| 08:59.11 | kevix | susperia: debian policy is not to destroy the conf files, you should be ask on every upgrade unless you tell it other wise |
| 08:59.22 | nekostar | kevix, cant you do grub from install cd from shell? |
| 08:59.26 | ma3x | how do I remove the module 'ndiswrapper'? |
| 08:59.28 | liable | rysiek|pl: stop the dm. /etc/init.d/?dm stop |
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| 08:59.29 | kevix | rredd4: you can 'remount' it rw |
| 08:59.32 | ma3x | m-a can install it, but what can remove it? |
| 08:59.33 | rysiek|pl | rredd4: mount the that filesystem read-write |
| 08:59.33 | ma3x | dpkg? |
| 08:59.39 | deadcat | ma3x: apt-get remove |
| 09:00.03 | susperia | kevix: thanks |
| 09:00.17 | kevix | nekostar: I dont know the installer that well and I dont use grub x-) |
| 09:00.29 | rredd4 | kevix: command please, ty |
| 09:00.33 | rysiek|pl | liable: tell you what happens: exactly naugh. |
| 09:00.35 | liable | nekostar: yes, of course you can. |
| 09:00.42 | rysiek|pl | *naught, dammit :) |
| 09:00.54 | liable | rysiek|pl: do you even have a dm? |
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| 09:01.23 | kevix | rredd4: one way is to umount /dev/xxxx, then mount /dev/xxxx /mnt |
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| 09:01.42 | xota | oye |
| 09:01.47 | xota | perdon |
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| 09:02.22 | rredd4 | kevix: ok, windows is on hda1, debian is on hda5.. |
| 09:02.33 | rysiek|pl | liable: well, it's kinda tricky question. I had. I asked here how to make sure X's don't start at boot-up and I was instructed to apt-get remove xdm. I did (and x-window-system metapackage went along with it). I was asked by apt if I want to stop XDM, and I said yes. and I still have them both (XFree and xdm) running o_O |
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| 09:03.00 | liable | rysiek|pl: strange.. pkill xdm |
| 09:03.01 | kevix | rredd4: umount /dev/hda5; mount /dev/hda5 /mnt; should give you rw access |
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| 09:03.27 | rredd4 | ty!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 09:03.43 | liable | yw |
| 09:03.48 | rysiek|pl | liable: ok, that's the first one: pkill: 2538 - No such process |
| 09:03.48 | phobo | if I am using stunnel -d, where do errors get logged? it keeps returning 1 (echo $?) |
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| 09:03.52 | kevix | rredd4: have fun and dont rm -rf anything |
| 09:04.00 | rysiek|pl | xdm is dead. now for the X server :) |
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| 09:04.34 | kevix | rysiek|pl: funny, the xdm ususally kills the x server |
| 09:04.36 | liable | rysiek|pl: ctl alt backspace (not the best, but will kill it) |
| 09:04.53 | fooz | man, GPRS w/ EDGE is blazin |
| 09:04.53 | rysiek|pl | liable: gimme a sec, gotta go to another room to do that ;) |
| 09:05.20 | kevix | fooz: lucky you! now thinkpad can include those cards in the usa |
| 09:05.21 | tobs | hi chan, anyone here able to help me with svn? i cannot login (Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive). the berkeleydb may be down. how can i start it? |
| 09:05.36 | fooz | kevix, what cards? I'm using a phone |
| 09:05.37 | SlayerXP | tobs: try #svn |
| 09:05.45 | tobs | thanks #svn |
| 09:05.48 | tobs | #svn |
| 09:05.53 | rysiek|pl | #svn? :) |
| 09:05.56 | tobs | oh, there is a chan for that? i will try |
| 09:05.56 | kevix | fooz: I mean evdo cards |
| 09:05.58 | tobs | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:06.14 | fooz | ah. i don't do verizon/sprint |
| 09:06.53 | rysiek|pl | liable: m'kay, X's ar down, but I still have xfs and Xprt processes - should I just kill them? |
| 09:06.59 | fooz | just gotta figure out now why my Palm can't get these speeds.. |
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| 09:07.54 | liable | rysiek|pl: if you want. what are you doing anyway? |
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| 09:08.18 | rysiek|pl | liable: fcuking up my system, as it would seem. :) |
| 09:08.29 | liable | hehe |
| 09:09.07 | rysiek|pl | trying to install KDE on my debian "server" machine, so that I can start it with startx, but it doesn't start at bootime (resources!) |
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| 09:09.52 | rysiek|pl | now my only problem is: why the bloody hell Xserver can't seem to get a grip on my mouse? |
| 09:10.16 | fooz | well it's pretty hard to catch a mouse, have you ever tried? |
| 09:10.17 | priscila | rysiek|pl: do you have installed a display manager like xdm or gdm |
| 09:10.25 | priscila | ? |
| 09:10.27 | kevix | rysiek|pl: dont you have to use one of those .x* files |
| 09:11.04 | rysiek|pl | fooz: rofl :) |
| 09:11.16 | jayr168_ | how do I install alsa ind debian sarge? |
| 09:11.19 | kevix | rysiek|pl: you can either: have it run kdm or use startx. both are possible |
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| 09:11.27 | priscila | jayr168_: apt-get install alsa-base |
| 09:11.42 | kevix | rysiek|pl: you can either: have it run kdm or use startx. both are not possible |
| 09:11.45 | jayr168_ | after that? how do I configure alsa? |
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| 09:12.02 | rysiek|pl | kevix: yup, I know, I run "startx" and right now I have a nice KDE session in front of me... just the mouse does not work :] |
| 09:12.09 | priscila | jayr168_: alsaconf |
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| 09:12.24 | jayr168_ | it says sound card not found |
| 09:12.26 | rysiek|pl | priscila: well, I just removed xdm (I *don't* want Xserver starting upt at boottime) |
| 09:12.50 | kevix | rysiek|pl: ok. so what does /etc/X11/xorg.conf say is your mouse: /dev/input/mice or ? |
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| 09:13.32 | jayr168_ | i run alsaconf, it says pnp card not found? |
| 09:13.45 | phobo | what permisions should a pem file be for stunnel? i get an error " Wrong permissions on /etc/stunnel/stunnel.pem" ? |
| 09:13.46 | priscila | jayr168_: are you trying to use alsa with a kernel which dont support it? did you compiled your own kernel? |
| 09:13.49 | phobo | i have rw-r--r-- |
| 09:13.58 | phobo | owned by root |
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| 09:14.09 | priscila | s/you/your |
| 09:14.51 | rysiek|pl | kevix: I have played with it yestarday (or was it today already?.. ;) and: /dev/input/mouse did not work (fatal server eror, no such file or dir, etc), the only things that work are the /dev/ttyS? files (rge mouse is connected through a serial port), but whichever I try, I don't get the mouse working |
| 09:15.04 | rysiek|pl | s/rge/the |
| 09:15.37 | kevix | rysiek|pl: do you have mousedev and psmouse loaded ? |
| 09:15.39 | priscila | jayr168_: if you are using a 2.4 kernel, you need to get the alsa-modules-2.4.* package |
| 09:15.45 | jayr168_ | i install kernel by apt-get install kernel-2.6? does that mean I compile my own kernel? |
| 09:15.59 | jayr168_ | im using kernel 2.6.x.x? |
| 09:16.01 | priscila | jayr168_: no |
| 09:16.02 | rysiek|pl | kevix: that's a module, I suppose. gimme a sec :) |
| 09:16.14 | kevix | rysiek|pl: did you say a 9pin serial mouse --- old school? |
| 09:16.20 | jayr168_ | if I want to compile my own kernel how to do that? |
| 09:16.29 | priscila | jayr168_: are your sound card support by alsa? |
| 09:16.42 | rysiek|pl | kevix: yup, and an oldschool Celeron 333 |
| 09:16.47 | jayr168_ | yes intel ich6 is listed |
| 09:16.57 | rysiek|pl | kevix: I rather not know, what gfx card is in there |
| 09:17.00 | kevix | rysiek|pl: i mean the mouse: its not ps2 or usb. |
| 09:17.19 | rysiek|pl | yes, it's 9pin serial mouse |
| 09:17.43 | stew | rysiek|pl: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 09:17.48 | kevix | rysiek|pl: then I think it may be /dev/ttyS0 in /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
| 09:18.02 | rysiek|pl | kevix: got psmouse loaded, but I suppose it won't do no good - no PS/2 socket on that oldschool mobo :) |
| 09:18.07 | Tallu | jayr168_: if you have to ask, then you're not fit to do it |
| 09:18.31 | jayr168_ | does it involve programming? |
| 09:18.31 | stew | rysiek|pl: what does "uanme -r" say? |
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| 09:18.40 | jayr168_ | i just want to install ALSA for my sound crad |
| 09:18.43 | jayr168_ | i just want to install ALSA for my sound card? |
| 09:18.53 | rysiek|pl | stew: I have no idea why would you like to know, what kernel I'm running, but it's a 2.6 (2.6.8-2-686) |
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| 09:19.07 | kevix | rysiek|pl: apt-get install mdetect |
| 09:19.13 | kevix | !info mdetect |
| 09:19.17 | rysiek|pl | kevix: tried every single one of them /dev/ttyS's |
| 09:19.19 | dpkg | mdetect: (mouse device autodetection tool), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.5.2.1 (sid), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 40 kB |
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| 09:19.23 | priscila | jayr168_: you can read the kernel howto or other doc .. but if it is listed, i don't understand how it is happening |
| 09:19.48 | ircdevil | shit - i keep forgetting the location of the qt executable |
| 09:19.51 | stew | rysiek|pl: then you should just be using /dev/input/mice |
| 09:19.56 | rysiek|pl | kevix: yes, I have that one little meanie installed |
| 09:20.02 | ircdevil | oh - gotit |
| 09:20.14 | rysiek|pl | stew: trying |
| 09:20.22 | liable | rysiek|pl: what protcol are you using? |
| 09:20.28 | stew | rysiek|pl: and make sure you have mousedev loaded |
| 09:20.44 | rysiek|pl | liable: what "what protocol"? :) |
| 09:20.54 | rysiek|pl | stew: gimme a sec |
| 09:21.27 | jayr168_ | it says /dev/dsp not found |
| 09:21.36 | sLasH2 | when i play *.swf files ... on mozilla ... the audio is like donald duck ... |
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| 09:22.28 | stew | jayr168_: you are using alsa? do you have snd-pcm-oss loaded? |
| 09:22.57 | ircdevil | new lyx is out! compiling ... |
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| 09:24.22 | rysiek|pl | stew: mousedev loaded, /dev/input/mice in XF86Config-4, x's start and the mouse just isn't working |
| 09:24.29 | jayr168_ | how do I know if pcm-oss is loaded? |
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| 09:25.00 | rysiek|pl | the mouse itself is OK, AFAIK |
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| 09:25.37 | liable | whats the log say? |
| 09:25.49 | priscila | jayr168_: lsmod |
| 09:25.49 | rysiek|pl | liable: the XFree log? |
| 09:25.56 | liable | yeah |
| 09:26.11 | faber2 | morniung |
| 09:26.23 | ma3x | karsten, I think it was the fucking ndiswrapper, it was loaded in the kernel for some reason, though I use acx. Now I rm'd the bastard |
| 09:26.35 | ma3x | karsten, about the freeze thing I'm talking about |
| 09:26.45 | faber2 | can i configure sshd in a way that it does not accept root in keyboard-interactive authentication, but with a publickey ? |
| 09:26.50 | rysiek|pl | liable: (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Configured Mouse" (type: MOUSE) |
| 09:27.02 | ma3x | karsten, but now I booted up fine, fast, I didn't see any memtest86+ showing up. you sure it loads? |
| 09:27.16 | jayr168_ | snd-pcm-oss is not loaded |
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| 09:27.43 | ma3x | karsten, I think I should setup the image to load via the bootloader |
| 09:28.02 | priscila | jayr168_: its obvious, snd-pcm-oss is an alsa module :P |
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| 09:30.04 | kevix | faber2: not sure but have you read the /etc/ssh/sshd_config ? |
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| 09:31.08 | faber2 | Kevix: i would if someone says "yes", i wont if someone says "no" ;-) |
| 09:31.13 | liable | faber2: dont think so. its root login or not. but if you use keys, just allow root login if thats the way you want to do it. (or just use su -) |
| 09:31.53 | faber2 | liable: well, i want keyboard-interactive for normal users but not for root. root is a user hackers can easily guess. my other usernames are safer |
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| 09:34.12 | jayr168_ | what do I do to make my sound card working? |
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| 09:34.35 | priscila | jayr168_: use oss instead alsa |
| 09:34.41 | nayyares | what sound player will play .amr audio ? |
| 09:36.04 | liable | faber2: maybe allowusers and deny users would be they way to go if you only login from one machine (though i dont know which would overide) say deny root@* allow root@foo.com |
| 09:36.24 | jayr168_ | how do I install oss? |
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| 09:37.18 | liable | jayr168_: di you try and load the snd-pcm-oss module? |
| 09:37.25 | priscila | jayr168_: you just need load the oss modules |
| 09:37.26 | Zombie_Doggie | hey hey |
| 09:37.37 | jayr168_ | how to do that? |
| 09:37.40 | priscila | liable: he doesn't have alsa configured |
| 09:37.55 | jayr168_ | i tried typing snd-pcm-oss in shell, it says command not found |
| 09:37.56 | liable | jayr168_: have you run alsaconf? |
| 09:38.06 | kevix | jayr168_: modprobe MODULE (as root) |
| 09:38.09 | liable | !reference |
| 09:38.09 | dpkg | reference is probably The Debian Reference. Will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'apt-get install debian-reference'. |
| 09:38.16 | liable | jayr168_: ^^ read it. |
| 09:39.29 | jayr168_ | it says, module snd-pcm-oss not found |
| 09:39.38 | debus | hi! does someone no why I have only one mysqld process running (installed from the binary, not from Debian's .deb)? top and ps used to show many of them, but not anymore (that could be before the Sarge upgrade)... |
| 09:39.42 | jayr168_ | alsaconf says pci pnp not found? |
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| 09:40.55 | liable | jayr168_: what does 'lspci |grep audio' say? |
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| 09:41.43 | liable | fuck |
| 09:41.47 | jayr168_ | I should type 'lspci |grep audio'? |
| 09:41.55 | jayr168_ | or just lspci? |
| 09:42.17 | liable | the first, without the '' |
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| 09:43.49 | jayr168_ | nothing happends when I type lspci |grep audio |
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| 09:44.37 | liable | is it an old box? |
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| 09:46.02 | jayr168_ | its a new box, pentium 4 with HT |
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| 09:46.06 | jms_23 | plop |
| 09:46.11 | jayr168_ | lspci |grep audio -- does nothing |
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| 09:46.48 | liable | jayr168_: update-pciids |
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| 09:47.51 | jayr168_ | it says 0000:00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 03) |
| 09:48.23 | liable | jayr168_: what kernel do you have? |
| 09:48.32 | jayr168_ | ive update-pciids --- still nothin happends when --- lspci |grep audio |
| 09:48.37 | jayr168_ | 2.6.x.x |
| 09:49.18 | liable | grep Audio (the capital a made it not work, doesnt matter now anyway) |
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| 09:50.27 | jayr168_ | i have kernel 2.6? what do I do now? |
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| 09:50.47 | liable | what does uname -r output? |
| 09:50.55 | kevinv | I am very anoyed with the gpg keys now needed for mirroring repos. I am creating a small CD-set for an offline install, I do not wish to duplicate packages on any of the CDs. I am also doing a stricly download only. When I attempt to add my first CD-ROM to the sources.list, apt-get doesn't see the apt-move'd packages on my 'file:///' apt source. I am using testing/etch. I am guessing it will not download via a repo with no gpg. How do |
| 09:50.55 | kevinv | I disable gpg in apt-get temporarily? |
| 09:51.09 | jayr168_ | uname -r == 2.6.8-2-686 |
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| 09:51.27 | jayr168_ | liable: ? |
| 09:52.30 | liable | jayr168_: i dont know if that kernel supports the intel hd audio. google it. |
| 09:52.47 | jayr168_ | ok ill google |
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| 09:54.17 | jayr168_ | intel HD is supported |
| 09:54.37 | jayr168_ | people who have it built into their MB's got alsa to work |
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| 09:54.57 | rysiek|pl | ok, I'm back |
| 09:55.03 | phroggy | what package is /sbin/runlevel part of? |
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| 09:55.12 | rysiek|pl | any new ideas on how to get the bloody mouse to work? |
| 09:55.35 | nkuttler | phroggy: dpkg -S path/file |
| 09:55.54 | jayr168_ | how do I know if OSS is installed or is running? |
| 09:56.08 | Dorao | how do you reset the list of packages that aptitude wants to upgrade? |
| 09:56.10 | phroggy | nkuttler: that only works for packages that are currently installed, yes? |
| 09:56.15 | nkuttler | phroggy: sure |
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| 09:56.25 | phroggy | nkuttler: well then I repeat my question. :-P |
| 09:56.28 | nkuttler | phroggy: /msg dpkg search |
| 09:57.31 | Dorao | ah, figured it out |
| 09:57.54 | mrverbose | how can i make apt remove package files, once they have been installed? |
| 09:57.56 | phroggy | nkuttler: not getting a response from that? |
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| 09:58.14 | bMoL | someone configured Xfree resolution to 1280x1024 in Debian stable? |
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| 09:58.24 | resiak | !drxx bMoL |
| 09:58.24 | dpkg | bMoL: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 09:58.26 | RegeX | DCC SEND "HAXHAXHAXHAXHAXHAHAX" |
| 09:58.26 | nkuttler | mrverbose: man apt-get |
| 09:58.31 | phroggy | nkuttler: n/m |
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| 10:00.07 | resiak | !ops RegeX performed haXX0r trixxz lololzz |
| 10:00.07 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: RegeX performed haXX0r trixxz lololzz |
| 10:00.12 | peej | what's a good way to convert a word doc to compliant html? word->openoffice->htmltidy? anything better? |
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| 10:01.04 | nkuttler | peej: try wordview. or antiword + <pre></pre> |
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| 10:02.43 | IronRoses | dpkg nvidia-one-liner |
| 10:03.05 | IronRoses | is it safe to install n vidia drivers on a testing box? |
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| 10:03.59 | zoggy | hey there, i was just wondering... when i plug in a usb external sata hard drive into our server, it doesn't seem to register into any of the /var/log/* areas ( i don't think it's discovered the drive)... i've installed hal and kernel 2.6, but no joy. when i insert it into my pc (loaded with debian,kde) it recognises the drive instantly, does anyone have a suggestion? please :) |
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| 10:04.02 | IronRoses | could somone dpkg nvidia driver howto for me please? |
| 10:04.26 | fireba11 | !tell IronRoses about nvidia one-liner |
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| 10:04.36 | IronRoses | thank fireball |
| 10:04.41 | mrverbose | nkuttler: manpage only offers clean and that has to be run manually |
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| 10:05.28 | zoggy | IronRoses: i used this guys recommendation (using module assistant m-a) and it went easily: http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/ |
| 10:05.52 | zoggy | fireba11: please elaborate, sounds great |
| 10:06.14 | jbrimble | What cool linux apps are out these days? |
| 10:06.27 | CcSsNET | many |
| 10:06.29 | zoggy | jbrimble: amarok is my favourite! |
| 10:06.38 | resiak | cowsay |
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| 10:06.55 | CcSsNET | ccssnet.phoenix-hosting.org check my obtianing data links |
| 10:07.01 | CcSsNET | and look at linux freeware |
| 10:07.03 | CcSsNET | :P) |
| 10:07.04 | fireba11 | zoggy: i am actually thinking about installing a linux desktop on a box just to have it :-) |
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| 10:07.46 | zoggy | fireba11: as starsky said, "do it!" |
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| 10:08.08 | weedar_ | zoggy, about your sata problem: Is your PC running a newer kernel than your server perhaps? |
| 10:08.19 | linuxdev | hi all, how can i know if my kernel has supported framebuffer? |
| 10:08.25 | dooglus | if I run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" while in GNOME, it asks me a bunch of questions and then crashes the X server. Is this a known bug? An unknown bug? Or expected behaviour? |
| 10:08.43 | kevix | fireba11: you can always get a live cd or 3 to test stuff! |
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| 10:09.03 | zoggy | fireba11: or use the live cd? |
| 10:09.26 | kevix | dooglus: you are configureing the xserver WHILE using it@ |
| 10:09.33 | dooglus | kevix: yes. |
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| 10:09.37 | rysiek|pl | laible: can I disconnect a serial mouse and connect another serial mouse without rebooting? |
| 10:09.48 | resiak | dooglus: It's restarting the X server, probably... |
| 10:09.50 | debus | does someone no why I have only one mysqld process running (installed from the binary, not from Debian's .deb)? top and ps used to show many of them, but not anymore (that could be before the Sarge upgrade)... mysqladmin says it's running many threads, am I missing some libraries or something? |
| 10:09.56 | dooglus | kevix: I would expect it to just write a new configuration to /usr/X11/xorg.conf, ready for the next time I start X |
| 10:09.56 | weedar_ | rysiek|pl, yes |
| 10:10.00 | kevix | resiak: yes. there is no DETECTION of serial mice |
| 10:10.03 | rysiek|pl | I have to check it, maybe it's the device :/ |
| 10:10.03 | phroggy | rysiek|pl: I don't see a problem with that |
| 10:10.26 | phroggy | PS/2 isn't supposed to be hotplugged. |
| 10:10.31 | phroggy | but serial should be fine. |
| 10:10.35 | rysiek|pl | m'kay |
| 10:10.45 | weedar_ | I hotplug my ps/2 keyboard all the time |
| 10:10.49 | rysiek|pl | if that fires my mobo, I *will* be rather pissed-off ;) |
| 10:10.51 | phroggy | yeah, me too |
| 10:11.07 | weedar_ | Although I seem to remember it hangs windows, in linux it works fine =) |
| 10:11.12 | resiak | you should _not_ hotplug ps/2 |
| 10:11.24 | phroggy | I once rebooted an old Mac by hotplugging an ADB keyboard. |
| 10:11.45 | weedar_ | phroggy, may I ask what "ADB" is? :) |
| 10:11.48 | phroggy | I may have shorted a couple pins or something while plugging it in, I'm not sure. |
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| 10:11.52 | phroggy | Apple Desktop Bus |
| 10:11.53 | fireba11 | resiak: i did it a lot of times though .. never had a problem with it |
| 10:11.54 | weedar_ | ah |
| 10:11.58 | rysiek|pl | oh, and OMT: is there a way of checking whether or not the mouse has been detected/works fine *without* starting xserver and moving it? :) |
| 10:12.09 | Tamon | hi all |
| 10:12.13 | rysiek|pl | on a Celeron 333 that takes too much time |
| 10:12.18 | rysiek|pl | hullo |
| 10:12.23 | resiak | It is said that you run the risk of blowing up your motherboard if you happen to plug in your ps/2 stuff at the wrong instant |
| 10:12.25 | kevix | phroggy: I just saw word that the ubuntu kernel is adding support for the new macbook! |
| 10:12.26 | phroggy | it's what Apple used for keyboards and mice and such between sometime in the mid 80s and 1998 when they switched to USB. |
| 10:12.56 | Tamon | any one could tell me how to mount a hdd in ubuntu? |
| 10:13.06 | phroggy | rysiek|pl: you could try gpm? |
| 10:13.06 | resiak | #ubuntu is that way --> |
| 10:13.08 | dooglus | resiak: oh, the other thing is that it doesn't touch the xorg.conf file. that's what made me think it was crashing rather than restarting on purpose. |
| 10:13.15 | phroggy | kevix: good to hear. |
| 10:13.23 | weedar_ | phroggy, I'll have to google that, curious as to what the plug looked like :) |
| 10:13.29 | phroggy | kevix: is it full support, or is anything missing? |
| 10:13.42 | rysiek|pl | phroggy: gpm? sure, I'll give it a try :) |
| 10:13.42 | phroggy | weedar_: 4-pin mini-DIN |
| 10:13.43 | resiak | dooglus: You make a good point, actually --- drxx doesn't restart the X server. Could it be that it tries automagic monitor detection and gets angry there? |
| 10:13.46 | kevix | phroggy: you can google for that! |
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| 10:14.01 | phroggy | weedar_: works with S-Video cable |
| 10:14.15 | kevix | resiak: that is what I was thinking after I typed... x-) |
| 10:14.15 | dooglus | resiak: maybe. I don't remember seeing it get to the monitor part. |
| 10:14.31 | resiak | dooglus: What stage does it die at? |
| 10:14.38 | dooglus | resiak: what's odd is that I've run it lots of times in lots of versions of u****u and it's never crashed there |
| 10:14.48 | dooglus | resiak: I'll run it again and pay attention this time... |
| 10:14.51 | resiak | dooglus: Can you reliably reproduce the crash? |
| 10:15.08 | dooglus | resiak: twice or 3 times so far... |
| 10:15.30 | resiak | dooglus: Hmm, maybe a bug report would be sensible if you can figure out exactly what happens |
| 10:16.19 | dooglus | resiak: actually, the first time I ran it I was running a ubuntu kernel, chrooted into my new debian partition. I used 'tasksel' to install the desktop stuff, and as part of that it configured the xserver for me. the screen went black for a while |
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| 10:16.24 | kevix | phroggy: I used slackware once.... good ole' patrick v. |
| 10:16.27 | phroggy | aha! sysvinit is the package I'm looking for. |
| 10:16.33 | resiak | dooglus: Hmm. |
| 10:16.44 | jerome | is apt-get supposed to support HTTP DIGEST to auth to a proxy ? |
| 10:16.55 | dooglus | but it didn't crash. when I closed my full-screen terminal window, however, my desktop wallpaper had been changed to a collage of recent images I'd been looking at on the web(!) |
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| 10:17.20 | phroggy | jerome: no idea, but would kinda suck if it didn't. I'm using a proxy but without auth. |
| 10:17.29 | linuxdev | thanks, I am using debian, in /boot/config-2.6.12 I can see "CONFIG_FRAMEBUFFER_CONSOLE=m", does that mean framebuffer has been opened? |
| 10:17.40 | jerome | phroggy: we're having problems here with digest ... |
| 10:17.51 | dooglus | resiak: I assumed I'd been hacked - but is it possible that drxx changed my wallpaper? |
| 10:17.53 | kevix | linuxdev: =m its a modules, you can 'modprobe' |
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| 10:18.07 | resiak | dooglus: unlikely |
| 10:18.15 | resiak | dooglus: I have to go now, I'm afraid. Good luck! |
| 10:18.20 | weedar_ | Is it possible to prevent screen-blanking on a debian machine without anyone logging in to it? |
| 10:18.21 | phroggy | linuxdev: I would expect that to mean the option will be built as a module as opposed to compiled into the kernel, but that doesn't tell you whether the module is currently loaded. |
| 10:18.24 | jerome | http digest is real crap, but it appears more secure than plain text ... |
| 10:18.27 | phroggy | lsmod should list all currently loaded modules. |
| 10:18.34 | jerome | can't be tunnelled |
| 10:18.49 | kevix | dooglus: does the wall paper say 'youve been hacked' x-) |
| 10:19.13 | dooglus | kevix: no, it says a bunch of things. I took a snap of it if you want a look. |
| 10:19.41 | rebus | hello... i've some files ui my home direcotry that i haven't all permits. what hmod command i have to digit? it's an half hour that i try... |
| 10:20.03 | rebus | hmod=chmod ;) |
| 10:20.11 | zoggy | weedar_: yes, my kernel is 2.6.15-1-686 and the server's kernel is 2.6.8-2-386... because the server is on stable... which kernel might be better |
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| 10:20.12 | dooglus | kevix: look at this: http://s89213869.onlinehome.us/2006-03-09--05-26-52.png |
| 10:20.34 | zoggy | weedar_: thanks a lot, gtg will read your response in about an hour |
| 10:20.39 | kevix | rebus: ls -l are they owned by your user? |
| 10:20.53 | IronRoses | I did the nvidia one-liner on debian/testing and it can not find kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386 what should I do? |
| 10:21.41 | rebus | kevix: drwxrwxr-x |
| 10:21.56 | dooglus | kevix: there's a bit of "the matrix" in there, just to the left of the 'eagle has landed' isn't it? I don't know where those images came from. |
| 10:22.08 | weedar_ | ARGH, I just walked to the store, bought a floppy cable, get back and the floppy drive is dead! |
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| 10:22.32 | Kian|worK | hi |
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| 10:22.37 | jerome | how can one just kill a floppy drive ? |
| 10:22.48 | weedar_ | jerome, at the moment I can think of several ways... |
| 10:22.57 | tziku | hello, please tell me a bebsite where can i learn how to create menu shells. |
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| 10:23.11 | weedar_ | But I believe it was dead before I got the cable, I just assumed it worked before I went to get the cable |
| 10:23.11 | tziku | tutorial website* |
| 10:23.15 | jerome | that was the only thing that survived the electrical "overload" I had once |
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| 10:23.23 | jerome | that and the box of course |
| 10:23.34 | weedar_ | The power supply still worked? |
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| 10:23.48 | kblin | hi |
| 10:24.08 | kevix | dooglus: that is strange, |
| 10:24.12 | rebus | kevix, i've created this directory in root mode, after i've changed premits in my home direcotry, but i have created just a great confusion |
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| 10:24.27 | rysiek|pl | phroggy: ok, gdm -D -t ms -m /dev/ttyS0 got the mouse runnin alright. Now, I suppose I have to change the Protocol setting in XF86Config to get that mouse working in xserver |
| 10:24.37 | jerome | weedar_: I killed lots of floppies myself (yeah, I'm a rude boy), and never a floppy drive :) |
| 10:24.42 | susperia | mmmm, how can i get a list of packages installed by the debian netinstaller base... the standard kickstart packages? |
| 10:24.46 | dooglus | kevix: what do you think could have caused that? it happened while I was installing debian in a chroot of ubuntu, but that may not be relevant |
| 10:24.47 | kevix | rebus: do you know the difference between chown and chmod ? |
| 10:25.16 | rebus | kevix, chown change the owner, chmod puts the permits |
| 10:25.34 | weedar_ | I guess this one is just old, though. Like all floppy drives. I doubt I can even get a new one today at any shop in town |
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| 10:25.55 | kevix | rebus: so these files are all owned by you and you can not delete/move/change them? |
| 10:26.00 | weedar_ | At least not internal, the box I need it for doesn't have usb :/ |
| 10:26.10 | kevix | dooglus: it looks like some tiled pattern. |
| 10:26.14 | kblin | I have the impression that cron isn't working as expected. is there anything besides starting cron that I need to do on a debian sarge default install? |
| 10:26.27 | peej | susperia: after install - dpkg --get-selections - dunno about an easy way before install. |
| 10:26.35 | azeem | kblin: you need to have your computer on when cron wants to run |
| 10:26.38 | jayr168_ | when I make ALSA drivers I get this error 'make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/source: No such file or directory. Stop." |
| 10:26.40 | jayr168_ | ? |
| 10:26.43 | jayr168_ | what to do? |
| 10:26.50 | susperia | peej thats a logical way to look at it... thanks :) |
| 10:26.55 | kevix | azeem: dont we use anacron? |
| 10:27.03 | jbrimble | i've been playing around with memory settings on my Debian box (p3 800mhz 768MBRAM). Is there a command I can use to see how much memory is being used, and how much is free? |
| 10:27.03 | azeem | unless you use anacron, sure |
| 10:27.11 | PerfDave | jayr168_: What are you trying to do, and how are you trying to do it? 2.6 kernels have ALSA built-in |
| 10:27.12 | rysiek|pl | jerome: have you ever tried to dismantle a floppy, put a side of a matchbox (the one that you have to rub a much against to light it) on the softy thingy, and glue some puddered match's head on the magnetic disk inside, then assemble it all together and try formattiing the floppy? :] |
| 10:27.12 | jayr168_ | guys? |
| 10:27.16 | peej | jbrimble : mem -f |
| 10:27.19 | linuxdev | kevix, phroggy: I run command "lsmod | grep fb", got fbcon and vesafb, does that mean the module has been loaded?? |
| 10:27.27 | susperia | jbrimble: or free -m |
| 10:27.31 | kblin | azeem: well, it's a vserver. I do expect it's on 24/7 :) |
| 10:27.33 | peej | jbrimble : whoops - free -f |
| 10:27.42 | jbrimble | thanks :) |
| 10:27.57 | jayr168_ | i downloaded the latest ALSA-Driver and ./configure and make |
| 10:27.58 | peej | jbrimble: whooopsey me... I mean free -m |
| 10:28.02 | weedar_ | rysiek|pl, that sounds like an evil/funny practical-joke |
| 10:28.07 | kevix | linuxdev: seems so. do you have any setting in you kernel boot line like vga=791 |
| 10:28.11 | jayr168_ | im trying to install the latest alsa drivers.. |
| 10:28.11 | azeem | kblin: did you look for CRON entries in /var/log/daemon.log? |
| 10:28.15 | rebus | kevix: you did light on me :D. i've solved using: # chown -R myusername /home/myusername, thanks a thousand! |
| 10:28.28 | rysiek|pl | weedar_: oh yeah. nice "magic smoke" effect ;) |
| 10:28.34 | jerome | rysiek|pl: can't remember ever did that consciously :) |
| 10:28.51 | kevix | rebus: we say K! |
| 10:28.51 | rysiek|pl | jerome: me neither. I heard stories though ;) |
| 10:29.00 | jayr168_ | PerfDave: ? |
| 10:29.04 | tziku | help me please: i want to create a menu for user who join on ssh . Can somebody help me with an website where is a tutorial ? please. |
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| 10:29.28 | rebus | good afternoon all people |
| 10:29.30 | rebus | :) |
| 10:29.31 | phroggy | tziku: set their shell to a script that displays a menu. |
| 10:29.47 | kevix | phroggy: sounds right? |
| 10:29.57 | jayr168_ | ?? |
| 10:29.59 | peej | tziku: /etc/shells |
| 10:30.02 | rebus | uhm.. what time is it in your zone? |
| 10:30.04 | kevix | tziku: maybe use webmin |
| 10:30.07 | rebus | !time |
| 10:30.08 | dpkg | i heard time is found on http://www.time.com/, or 2006.03.09 UTC, or an illusion, and lunchtime doubly so - Ford Prefect said that. of no essence here! |
| 10:30.08 | kblin | azeem: there are none |
| 10:30.18 | jayr168_ | why do I get an error message everytime I ./configure debian |
| 10:30.22 | peej | tziku: mebbe motd. though I dunno if that works with ssh |
| 10:30.40 | jerome | rysiek|pl: I actually dismantled a floppy drive once to make the perfect coffee machine. THe floppy drive motor was meant to agitate the spoon. I never add sugar to my coffee, so the floppy drive is still alive :) |
| 10:30.41 | nevyn | what's the right way to build a kernel module package? |
| 10:30.51 | rebus | kevix, what time is it? |
| 10:31.04 | kevix | rebus: Im at GMT - 5 |
| 10:31.04 | nevyn | tziku: have a look at dialog ro whiptail. |
| 10:31.07 | peej | nevyn: make modules |
| 10:31.14 | tziku | no :) i want when somebody login at ssh to apear a menu with more options: view process and if select theat option to show him proces (ps aux) . Another option: change dir and a lot of options. |
| 10:31.22 | rysiek|pl | jerome: nice one, I must admitt |
| 10:31.25 | jerome | (not to mention that this box was NOT the perfect coffee machine) |
| 10:31.33 | dooglus | well, it crashed again. it looks pretty repeatable. although this time it didn't crash completely until I tried to make a screenshot of the half-crashed state. |
| 10:31.35 | rebus | uhm, 5:30?? |
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| 10:31.39 | nevyn | peej: and that works for out of tree drivers how exactly? |
| 10:31.39 | dooglus | I'll report a bug I guess. |
| 10:32.04 | rebus | here are 11:30 |
| 10:32.05 | Phlexonance | which command or tool allows me to format a disk |
| 10:32.10 | kevix | dooglus: are you using nvidia or ait ? |
| 10:32.17 | opti | who knows stuff about pppoa in debian? |
| 10:32.21 | dooglus | kevix: no, it's all SiS on a laptop |
| 10:32.25 | phroggy | tziku: then it sounds like you've got some programming work to do. If you don't know any programming languages, you'll need to learn. |
| 10:32.26 | nevyn | peej: not to mention that make-kpkg modues_image is what makes a package |
| 10:32.35 | dooglus | Sis 650 I think the graphics |
| 10:32.39 | phroggy | tziku: or pay someone else to do it for you. ;-) |
| 10:32.50 | peej | nevyn: er...yeah, you're right. misread your question. |
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| 10:33.02 | kevix | tziku: you may be able to use webmin to setup some basic things |
| 10:33.03 | rysiek|pl | ok, so anybody has an idea what should I put as a "Protocol" for a serial mouse in XF86Config? |
| 10:33.03 | tziku | phroggy what programing languace is needet for the menu...i will learn tell me the name of language... please |
| 10:33.05 | linuxdev | kevix: no, and what's that mean? |
| 10:33.35 | kevix | linuxdev: what did I say? |
| 10:33.58 | jm_ | rysiek|pl: read README.mouse.gz |
| 10:34.11 | dooglus | I'm wondering whether I've installed debian wrongly. Now apt-cache is segfaulting on me. Should I expect 'testing' to be this flaky? |
| 10:34.11 | rysiek|pl | jm_: thx |
| 10:34.17 | peej | tziku: bash is powerful but strange. So is perl. But if you know them, you can do anything. |
| 10:34.22 | jm_ | rysiek|pl: it shouldn't matter much for 2.6 kernel anyway |
| 10:34.24 | Phlexonance | which command or tool is capable of formating a disk |
| 10:34.45 | tziku | ok thanks peej |
| 10:34.57 | rysiek|pl | jm_: well, it seems to matter - gpm works ok with the mouse, XServer doesn't |
| 10:34.58 | kevix | dooglus: see if you have a live cd and if that has the same problem? |
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| 10:35.08 | phroggy | tziku: you could probably do it with a shell script; that would be easiest to learn, since you probably already know how to run some commands in a shell, and you'd just have to learn some of the built-in things like "if" and some of the tools like grep or sed or awk or cut |
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| 10:35.15 | jm_ | rysiek|pl: are yu using 2.6 kernel? how did you configure both? |
| 10:35.15 | linuxdev | kevix: vga=791 in boot line |
| 10:35.27 | susperia | would have been nice if there was a way to grep for x OR y |
| 10:35.34 | darth_chatri | is oss emulation present in the default kernel package for 2.6.15? |
| 10:35.36 | susperia | a one liner a mean |
| 10:35.39 | kevix | linuxdev: setting differnt kernel framebuffers.... |
| 10:35.53 | phroggy | susperia: yeah, that would be kinda neat. |
| 10:35.58 | jm_ | susperia: man egrep regex |
| 10:35.58 | dooglus | kevix: actually, the flakiness only seems to happen *after* I've run the dpkg-reconfigure of xserver - it's as if the crash damages something. rebooting fixes it. |
| 10:36.08 | jm_ | darth_chatri: yes |
| 10:36.09 | tziku | yes :) phroggy i know a basic linux but i don't know how to order "if" "or" "then" etc.. |
| 10:36.23 | dooglus | kevix: one time I was messages from the kernel telling me it was trying to repair something, but that a reboot was needed. |
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| 10:36.26 | kevix | linuxdev: getting 132 column console |
| 10:36.29 | dooglus | s/was/saw/ |
| 10:36.29 | nevyn | darth_chatri: yes |
| 10:36.30 | susperia | jm_: mmmm thanks.... now... is there a way to have instant sex with celebrities? |
| 10:36.37 | peej | dooglus: have you tried stripping out stuff from the machine to isolate the problem? usb keyboard too? |
| 10:36.37 | phroggy | tziku: it depends on what shell you're using; sh is different from csh which is different from ksh |
| 10:36.38 | darth_chatri | jm_: the /dev/dsp node is not present, what do i need to do? |
| 10:36.57 | rysiek|pl | jm_: 2.6.8-2-686, gdm -D -t ms -m /dev/ttyS0, XConfig: driver: mouse; Device: /dev/ttyS0; Protocol: ImPS/2 (that is the culprit, IMHO) |
| 10:37.03 | jm_ | darth_chatri: hmm are you using udev? |
| 10:37.06 | darth_chatri | yes |
| 10:37.11 | dooglus | peej: it's a laptop. I can't really take anything out of it. |
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| 10:37.15 | kevix | dooglus: maybe try reinsatllinng the kernel or upgrade it? |
| 10:37.20 | jm_ | rysiek|pl: use /dev/input/mice, protocol ExplorerPS/2 |
| 10:37.29 | peej | dooglus: think it may be heat related? dead fan? |
| 10:37.41 | dooglus | peej: no, I know when it's hot - the fan goes crazy. |
| 10:37.42 | phroggy | tziku: /bin/sh = Bourne Shell = the basic one you should learn (everybody uses bash now though, the "Bourne Again Shell", which is mostly backwards-compatible with sh) |
| 10:37.43 | jm_ | not sure about udev, it should create device nodes when you load the modul |
| 10:37.45 | rysiek|pl | jm_: I repeat: it's a SERIAL mouse. 9-pin, oldschool ;) |
| 10:37.51 | rysiek|pl | but I'll try |
| 10:37.58 | cb41 | hi guys, i have the problem, that openssh3.8p1 sarge has the reported "OpenSSH Local SCP Shell Command Execution Vulnerability" ... Bugtraq ID 16369. does anyone know about the issue and when it is planned to be fixed or if i have to build ssh from source ? |
| 10:38.03 | jm_ | rysiek|pl: I repeat, it doesn't matter |
| 10:38.16 | rysiek|pl | m'kay, testing |
| 10:38.22 | tziku | ok thanks for all guys naw i'm going at google and ask hin :) i know what to ask buh bye. |
| 10:38.24 | phroggy | jm_: isn't /dev/input/mice only for USB? |
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| 10:38.32 | dooglus | kevix: by the way, I made a note of where it crashes - it's right after it asks whether to write a 'files' section, and whether to write 'dri'. |
| 10:38.34 | jm_ | phroggy: not in 2.6 |
| 10:38.38 | phroggy | ah.. |
| 10:38.47 | IronRoses | could somone dpkg nvidia one-liner for me please? |
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| 10:38.58 | jm_ | !tell IronRoses -about nvidia one-liner |
| 10:38.58 | peej | dooglus: live cd check? (in u****u may have to go through f2 options to avoid crashes) |
| 10:39.05 | kevix | cb41: do you have a line for 'security' in /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
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| 10:39.13 | cb41 | yep .. sure |
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| 10:39.38 | liable | didnt a fix come out for that a day or two ago? |
| 10:39.49 | kevix | !dsa |
| 10:39.50 | dpkg | i guess dsa is Debian Security Announcement, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ Debian Sysadmin, the people you pester to install software and such on Debian Project computers |
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| 10:40.26 | Fox | hi |
| 10:40.26 | darth_chatri | jm_: anything in dmesg that i can use to confirm? |
| 10:40.44 | rysiek|pl | jm_: no way, Jose. doesn't work (the XServer starts, but the mouse just doesn't work) |
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| 10:40.50 | phroggy | I'm outta here. g'night all. |
| 10:40.55 | rysiek|pl | cu, phroggy |
| 10:41.00 | jm_ | darth_chatri: not sure what do you want to confirm |
| 10:41.01 | cb41 | i am subscribed to that list ... no info or announcment for an openssh update |
| 10:41.04 | yos87 | hi |
| 10:41.10 | cb41 | :( |
| 10:41.14 | jm_ | rysiek|pl: but it works in gpm? did you try reconfiguring gpm to use the same? |
| 10:41.17 | kevix | rysiek|pl: sometimes I had gpm configureed wrong and I had to stop gpm for X mouse to work |
| 10:41.27 | darth_chatri | jm_: that its there in the kernel |
| 10:42.01 | kevix | cb41: they probably know about it, but they will make an announcment WHEN they have a fix |
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| 10:42.15 | rysiek|pl | kevix, jm_: I don't have gpm running, I only run it to check if the mouse works at all. I'll try gpm with those settings now (as I said, it worked OK with -t ms -m /dev/ttyS0) |
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| 10:42.35 | GieltjE | I got a big apt problem |
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| 10:42.43 | kevix | rysiek|pl: did you try mdetect ? |
| 10:42.52 | GieltjE | I just upgraded my sytem (kernel && reboot) |
| 10:43.07 | GieltjE | but now all the apt lock files are still there, but untouchable |
| 10:43.16 | GieltjE | I can not remove, move or whatever |
| 10:43.20 | GieltjE | so apt will not work |
| 10:43.21 | darth_chatri | jm_: i did modprobe snd_[mixer | pcm]_oss and it worked |
| 10:43.36 | kevix | GieltjE: check ownership and then try lsattr |
| 10:43.39 | cb41 | kevix: i hope so, the issue was published on Jan 24 2006 12:00AM |
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| 10:43.50 | GieltjE | the ownerships and permissions are correct |
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| 10:44.11 | kevix | GieltjE: what does it say when you delete it? |
| 10:44.18 | jm_ | darth_chatri: yeah lsmod will list loaded modules |
| 10:44.32 | kevix | cb41: are you sure Debian was affected ? |
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| 10:45.29 | cb41 | there is a test to perform ... it is affected |
| 10:45.38 | rysiek|pl | kevix, jm_: gpm does not work *at all* with /dev/input/mice |
| 10:45.44 | darth_chatri | jm_: i guess adding those two to /etc/modules should do it |
| 10:45.47 | yos87 | kevix: hi |
| 10:45.49 | GieltjE | -----a-Ac-ZX-j-t-x- ./lock |
| 10:46.06 | jm_ | darth_chatri: indeed |
| 10:46.09 | GieltjE | but on the good debian system it displays none:S |
| 10:46.22 | jm_ | rysiek|pl: it should read this if you don't believe me -- http://kerneltrap.org/node/2199 |
| 10:46.49 | liable | cb41: DSA 969-1 ?? |
| 10:46.50 | jm_ | rysiek|pl: so check that file in /proc |
| 10:47.11 | dooglus | peej: sorry, was rebooting (and apt-cache has stopped segfaulting now) |
| 10:47.22 | dooglus | peej: you said peej> dooglus: live cd check? (in u****u may have to go through f2 options to avoid crashes) - what do you mean? |
| 10:47.49 | dooglus | peej: in ubuntu I can reconfigure the xserver without it crashing - it seems to be a debian thing. |
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| 10:48.20 | rysiek|pl | jm_: you better do, then :] mdetect told me that it's /dev/ttyS0 AND the "microsoft" protocol |
| 10:48.27 | Phlexonance | I need to format a disk, I tried fdisk but could not achieve the desired result |
| 10:48.49 | rysiek|pl | jm_: inputed that in XFConfig and - volia! -works like a charm! |
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| 10:49.01 | rysiek|pl | kevix: mdetect - that was that easy! thx :) |
| 10:49.06 | cb41 | no, this was not the 969-1 was not the problem |
| 10:49.12 | GieltjE | what to do about it? |
| 10:49.19 | phobo | have people found much greater than 45MB/sec write speeds on SATA1 disks? I just got a new (dual 3ghz) server and this is huge jump from what I used to have... just curious! :) |
| 10:49.19 | kevix | yos87: hi. |
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| 10:49.44 | nevyn | phobo: hell yes |
| 10:49.44 | cb41 | On a Unix prompt, type these commands: |
| 10:49.44 | cb41 | a. touch foo\ bar |
| 10:49.45 | cb41 | b. mkdir "any_directory" |
| 10:49.45 | cb41 | c. scp foo\ bar "any_directory" |
| 10:49.45 | cb41 | If the output is: |
| 10:49.45 | cb41 | "cp: cannot stat `foo': No such file or directory |
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| 10:49.51 | yos87 | kevix: thanks |
| 10:50.01 | kevix | yos87: any time x-) |
| 10:50.05 | phobo | nevyn: what sort of speed? |
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| 10:50.36 | yos87 | kevix: just to say how are you |
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| 10:51.00 | nevyn | phobo: how are you measuring? |
| 10:51.07 | Phlexonance | I need to format a disk, I tried fdisk but could not achieve the desired result |
| 10:51.08 | dooglus | cb41: interestingly, scp 'foo\ bar' any_directory works |
| 10:51.28 | kevix | yos87: not too bad... haveing fun teaching free software to kids today! |
| 10:51.39 | phobo | I'm rsyncing a file over our gigabit network... its about 4GB in size.... it tells you the average speed at the end. i expect disk is the bottleneck here |
| 10:51.40 | dooglus | cb41: so dies scp "'foo bar'" any_directory |
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| 10:51.52 | dooglus | cb41: looks like you need to escape the space twice :) |
| 10:51.53 | cb41 | strange |
| 10:52.30 | kevix | cb41: you are welcome to report any issues. |
| 10:52.46 | kevix | is there a #debian-security ? |
| 10:52.48 | liable | oh dear, there goes sarge security.. |
| 10:53.18 | kevix | liable: did you actcully reporduce a security bug ? |
| 10:53.22 | Phlexonance | please help |
| 10:53.50 | Fox | Phlexonance: to format use mkfs |
| 10:54.00 | cb41 | doogplus: do you run sarge ? |
| 10:54.07 | dooglus | cb41: no, etch |
| 10:54.21 | dooglus | cb41: I just tried the same in ubuntu dapper and it's fine there |
| 10:54.27 | Phlexonance | Fox: thanks I will try that |
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| 10:54.51 | dimir | phatfish: if you need to delete all the partitions, you use fdisk, if you want to just format to partition, you use what Fox suggested. |
| 10:54.55 | dimir | Phlexonance too. |
| 10:54.57 | liable | kevix: no, i just read an email from dda, from Martin Schulze, saying he quits.. |
| 10:55.03 | GieltjE | anoyne? |
| 10:55.24 | dooglus | cb41: also in ubuntu breezy it's fine. |
| 10:55.32 | cb41 | dooglus: shit ... with my sarge it reports the vulnerability |
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| 10:55.54 | chrysopa | Hi, I try to install debian on a Sun sparc 64, I burn an iso, but it fail to initialize the installer. Debian have a diferent iso for sparc 32 and sparc 64? |
| 10:56.02 | iciclebox | has anyone been able to get Mercury Messenger to detect their Java VM? |
| 10:56.12 | SlammerXP | hmmm, why has the "home" key suddenly stopped working as expected in vim? |
| 10:56.15 | chrysopa | I find only an iso for spark |
| 10:56.45 | kevix | cb41: you should email security@debian.org and file a bug in the BTS |
| 10:56.51 | phobo | slapperxp: heh, it took until etch for home to work in bash, maybe they broke it in then :P |
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| 10:57.11 | cb41 | kevix: i will do |
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| 10:57.53 | yos87 | how to install the login manager : http://art.gnome.org/themes/gdm_greeter/1139 |
| 10:58.17 | kevix | yos87: apt-get install gdm (if you want the gnome one) |
| 10:58.19 | dooglus | I'm very impressed with all the pretty login screens in etch :) I've not seen the same one twice yet. |
| 10:58.21 | Phlexonance | dimir: thanks, mkfs was amazingly fast reformatting 120gb |
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| 10:58.49 | berzerka | deadcat, are you there? |
| 10:58.53 | kevix | Phlexonance: it does not erase 120gb. it sets up a table. |
| 10:59.11 | yos87 | kevix: what about this : http://art.gnome.org/themes/gdm_greeter/1139 |
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| 10:59.27 | zarkon | ciao |
| 10:59.30 | jm_ | rysiek|pl: will ask gpm maintainer about this, he will know if it should work with input/mice or not |
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| 10:59.45 | zarkon | ci sono italiani? |
| 10:59.47 | Phlexonance | kevix: so it would be possible to set it to the old FS and read the files? |
| 10:59.59 | Phlexonance | kevix: right now before I have stored anything |
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| 11:00.50 | kevix | Phlexonance: the data is not overritten until it needs to. its more efficient. |
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| 11:01.14 | kevix | yos87: you are talking about THEMES! |
| 11:01.26 | Phlexonance | kevix: ok, thx |
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| 11:01.52 | yos87 | kevix: mey be , but it called in the website login manager |
| 11:02.17 | yos87 | kevix: I open the themes , and I install the tgz file , but it doesn't appear in the list |
| 11:02.29 | kevix | yos87: yes. there are themes for the greeter/login manager and the window mananger/metacity |
| 11:03.05 | kevix | yos87: if you apt-get install gdm it has some themese already. you can add more. |
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| 11:04.25 | berzerka | regarding my strange smbmount problem from yesterday, i resolved it. what happened was: i did an smbmount, which succeeded, but had no access privileges to that directory. when i did an ls -l in the parent dir, only '?'s were shown in the columns and the name was flashing red. the thing that confused me most was then, that i wasnt able to unmount the directory with smbmount again. the explanation of this is simple in fact. 'accessing' the wi |
| 11:04.25 | berzerka | ndows share requires certain rights (in the windows domain) which i dont have. i can, however, 'see' the windows share and smbmount even mounts it. but then, no further information can be retrieved at all, why ls produced the undefined output. the failure to unmount may be a problem in smbumount, because a simple umount works as i later discovered. just to clear this out for anyone whom the problem might have confused yesterday or who will e |
| 11:04.26 | berzerka | ncounter it at some time. |
| 11:04.31 | kevix | yos87: ok. in that case you have to know where it expect you to put them. not sure. maybe read /usr/share/doc/gdm/* |
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| 11:04.59 | tonix | hi friends, i need some advices from you about debian on i-book g4. I'd like to buy an ibook g4 1.33 ghz 12'' to install debian. Do you know/think that all the ibook hardware is supported by debian? There are some problems with these platform? thanks a lot |
| 11:05.33 | kevix | tonix: I think most should be, but you can try #debian-ppc for sure! |
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| 11:05.59 | tonix | kevix: thanks |
| 11:06.04 | Coweater | tonix: http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/apple.html number of reports of installing debian on ibook g4s |
| 11:06.06 | kevix | tonix: if all goes well, we may have macbook support! |
| 11:07.20 | dooglus | how should security bugs be reported? I guess it's not OK to post them publically. |
| 11:08.22 | kevix | dooglus: if you think its a security bug, email security@debian.org and file a bug in the BTS |
| 11:08.37 | azeem | dooglus: what package is this in? |
| 11:08.47 | dooglus | azeem: no clues :) |
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| 11:09.03 | azeem | dooglus: are you sure it's a bug then? |
| 11:09.41 | dooglus | azeem: I'm pretty sure |
| 11:10.13 | kevix | dooglus: are you talk about the one c4a or what ever his name was mentioned ? |
| 11:10.25 | dooglus | kevix: no, this is a different one. |
| 11:10.53 | kevix | dooglus: is it for sarge? |
| 11:11.09 | azeem | dooglus: is it Debian specific? |
| 11:11.18 | dooglus | azeem: no |
| 11:11.48 | dooglus | kevix: it affects both sarge and etch from what I've seen so far |
| 11:12.18 | kevix | dooglus: do you have access to other distros to try it on? |
| 11:12.29 | dooglus | kevix: yes |
| 11:12.50 | dooglus | kevix: I have ubuntu dapper and breezy on this laptop |
| 11:13.44 | kevix | dooglus: I´m sure emailing security@debian.org would be good anyway. |
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| 11:14.45 | yos87 | kevix: they don't say how to install it, if I open desktop preformance > themes there is install themes, I choose the file , it install something, but it doesn't appear in the list |
| 11:15.02 | dooglus | kevix: right. I'm reading their FAQ now. http://www.debian.org/security/faq |
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| 11:17.19 | kevix | yos87: there is a perefernce for the greeter that IIRC is not the same is the themse in the control panel |
| 11:17.31 | kevix | dooglus: I asked in #debian-devel |
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| 11:21.09 | rysiek|pl | ok, gtg guys |
| 11:21.18 | rysiek|pl | thanks for the help :) |
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| 11:21.44 | kevix | !dpkg beer rysiek|pl |
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| 11:22.17 | tarzeau | oops |
| 11:22.25 | iciclebox | is there a debian way to get windows fonts? |
| 11:22.27 | tarzeau | i've just read joeys mail about security updates for stable... |
| 11:22.41 | tarzeau | iciclebox: just copy them over? to /usr/share/fonts ? |
| 11:22.47 | kevix | tarzeau: is this something new? |
| 11:22.50 | jm_ | iciclebox: apt-get install msttcorefonts |
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| 11:22.59 | jm_ | so yes there is |
| 11:23.01 | tarzeau | kevix: what's new? |
| 11:23.16 | kevix | tarzeau: this mail from joeyh |
| 11:23.26 | tarzeau | kevix: not joeyh, joey. yes |
| 11:23.41 | tarzeau | kevix: he's been doing security updates for the last five years pretty well |
| 11:23.42 | yos87 | kevix: Thank you, I'm going now |
| 11:23.42 | iciclebox | jm_: fantastic |
| 11:23.57 | MoNtArAz | hi everybody. is there another way to apply an external patch to a debian source package than using dpatch stuff? |
| 11:24.00 | iciclebox | btw, anyone has a window manager to recommend? |
| 11:24.06 | kevix | tarzeau: that is why I got scared when you said 'opps' x- |
| 11:24.08 | MoNtArAz | i need an iptables with layer7 patch package, but i cant make it work |
| 11:24.10 | tarzeau | MoNtArAz: yes. but why not use dpatch? |
| 11:24.24 | tarzeau | iciclebox: windowmaker |
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| 11:24.37 | tarzeau | iciclebox: but the debian defaults are very ugly |
| 11:24.52 | tarzeau | and recently the fonts were raped in a very bad way |
| 11:24.53 | iciclebox | hmm, kde is not a window manager, right? |
| 11:25.00 | tarzeau | iciclebox: no it's not. #debian-kde |
| 11:25.01 | eject_ck | Hello I can`t compile pentanet driver (DVB Card www.pentamedia.com from pentanet-2.3.1_021111.tar.gz) under Debian Sarge have anybody experience? |
| 11:25.13 | tarzeau | eject_ck: what kernel? |
| 11:25.23 | iciclebox | so what would different window managers do? like display windows differently, allow drag and drop? |
| 11:25.39 | jm_ | iciclebox: they have different features |
| 11:25.47 | tarzeau | iciclebox: manage windows, mainly |
| 11:26.06 | iciclebox | so the default debian window manager, when I install x, is? |
| 11:26.13 | tarzeau | iciclebox: none |
| 11:26.24 | tarzeau | iciclebox: there is no default window manager in debian |
| 11:26.28 | eject_ck | tarzeau: kernel-source-2.4.27, gcc (GCC) 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13) |
| 11:26.44 | tarzeau | eject_ck: tried a more recent kernel? |
| 11:26.55 | iciclebox | tarzeau: is there a way to tell which window manager I'm using? |
| 11:27.06 | tarzeau | iciclebox: ugh. if you don't know |
| 11:27.09 | kevix | tarzeau: ohhh. I saw his blog post. certain non-technical things plague debian with no solution. |
| 11:27.27 | iciclebox | tarzeau: I only know I'm using kde and kdm |
| 11:27.28 | tarzeau | kevix: but this one is an important one, that we rely on |
| 11:27.40 | tarzeau | iciclebox: #debian-kde |
| 11:27.46 | kevix | tarzeau: which makes it 'rc' almost |
| 11:27.57 | iciclebox | I didn't think a desktop environment is related to a window manager |
| 11:28.10 | tarzeau | iciclebox: #DEBIAN-KDE |
| 11:28.29 | iciclebox | tarzeau: thank you |
| 11:28.32 | tarzeau | iciclebox: if you want a desktop , try ##windows |
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| 11:28.43 | eject_ck | tarzeau: any propositions |
| 11:29.01 | kevix | tarzeau: I thought tbm´s recent blog post about dpl was insightful |
| 11:29.08 | tarzeau | eject_ck: use a recent kernel |
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| 11:29.41 | peej | iciclebox: tail -1 .xsession may do it |
| 11:29.41 | eject_ck | problem not in kernel |
| 11:29.43 | tarzeau | eject_ck: so the patch applies? |
| 11:29.48 | eject_ck | no |
| 11:29.54 | eject_ck | see here in |
| 11:30.00 | tarzeau | eject_ck: so use a recent kernel |
| 11:30.02 | eject_ck | sorry - here http://pastebin.com/592249 |
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| 11:30.39 | tarzeau | eject_ck: you're missing kernel headers |
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| 11:30.58 | eject_ck | I installet one |
| 11:31.04 | tarzeau | eject_ck: not the right one |
| 11:31.16 | eject_ck | them |
| 11:31.18 | eject_ck | sorry |
| 11:31.33 | tarzeau | eject_ck: it's a user problem, try #linux |
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| 11:31.53 | eject_ck | in mandrake no problems |
| 11:31.59 | tarzeau | eject_ck: use mandrake |
| 11:32.05 | eject_ck | :) |
| 11:32.45 | debus | does someone no why I have only one mysqld process running (installed from the binary, not from Debian's .deb)? top and ps used to show many of them, but not anymore (that could be before the Sarge upgrade)... mysqladmin says it's running many threads, am I missing some libraries or something? |
| 11:33.28 | eye69 | debus: That's quite alright. It's just hiding the threads. |
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| 11:34.04 | kevix | debus: I use apt-get install mysql-server mysql-client |
| 11:34.26 | debus | eye69: but it used to show them as separate processes before... |
| 11:34.27 | highvoltage | hi there. what's that e-mail about that martin schulze send to debian-devel-announce? |
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| 11:34.41 | tarzeau | eject_ck: but hey, there's www.debian.org/consultants |
| 11:34.43 | kevix | highvoltage: did you read it? |
| 11:34.49 | eye69 | debus: Did you do a kernelchange? |
| 11:34.58 | ifad | highvoltage, what email? |
| 11:35.16 | debus | eye69: no, same kernel |
| 11:35.18 | aeronadix | I have a movie which consists of an avi file and a separate subs file /subs/subs.sfv I can't get the subs to workl |
| 11:35.34 | eye69 | debus: It's probably glibc that's doing it then. |
| 11:35.39 | ifad | aeronadix, what program are you trying to play it with? |
| 11:35.47 | highvoltage | kevix: yes, it sounds like the thing that pushed him over the edges was when james troup told him 'no' for ftpmaster? |
| 11:35.53 | aeronadix | ifad, I have xine, mplayer, totem, vlc |
| 11:36.00 | eye69 | aeronadix: subs.sfv is not a subs file |
| 11:36.16 | eye69 | aeronadix: SFV files are just a bunch of checksums. |
| 11:36.17 | aeronadix | eye69, ohh, what is a subs file look like |
| 11:36.28 | aeronadix | eye69, thanks, I had no idea |
| 11:36.30 | debus | eye69: hmm... I've read about Linux threads, which says they should show up as separate processes in Linux |
| 11:36.56 | kevix | highvoltage: I am not in a position to say as I just read debian-devel, but it would seem so. |
| 11:37.01 | eye69 | aeronadix: You use SFV files to verify that the files you have downloaded are without errors. |
| 11:37.09 | eye69 | aeronadix: apt-get install cksfv |
| 11:37.30 | aeronadix | eye69, well, I don't want to check that, I wanted to use the subtitles |
| 11:37.33 | ifad | highvoltage, which message? when was it posted? |
| 11:37.56 | highvoltage | ifad: debian-devel-announce, about an hour ago |
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| 11:38.00 | debus | eye69: I have two CPUs in my system so only one process seems like a waste of processing power... |
| 11:38.02 | ifad | highvoltage, thanks |
| 11:38.12 | Fox | debus: use ps auxH to see more mysqld (man ps) |
| 11:38.26 | aeronadix | eye69, what about .nfo files? |
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| 11:39.05 | eye69 | aeronadix: 'less file.nfo'...they're just a text file with info on what you've downloaded |
| 11:39.30 | iciclebox | anyone recommend an instant messenger that you like? |
| 11:39.36 | debus | Fox: ok... now there are more, thanks |
| 11:39.52 | eye69 | aeronadix: Subs come in many different formats, the most common being sub/idx and srt |
| 11:39.53 | iciclebox | preferably for MSN |
| 11:39.53 | resiak | iciclebox: Gaim |
| 11:39.53 | tarzeau | iciclebox: amsn |
| 11:39.58 | tarzeau | resiak: gaim can't do alot of msn features |
| 11:40.04 | iciclebox | exactly |
| 11:40.07 | iciclebox | but amsn looks ugly |
| 11:40.08 | ifad | iciclebox, for KDE, Kopete isn't bad, but Gaim is good too |
| 11:40.13 | tarzeau | iciclebox: there's also one from kde, which is better than the gaim |
| 11:40.21 | aeronadix | eye69, darn, I guess i aint got subtitles. Thanks for the fyi |
| 11:40.22 | tarzeau | iciclebox: but it works best. otherwise the one in windows! |
| 11:40.29 | debus | Fox: I guess there was something that has changed now in Sarge, since they were listed in 'ps aux' and top before? |
| 11:40.33 | tarzeau | iciclebox: write your own, make it beautiful |
| 11:40.34 | phobo | my apache log files are being archived into what seems like a logrotate error... any ideas? file names like apache.access.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 |
| 11:40.37 | iciclebox | tarzeau: which is the one from kde? |
| 11:40.42 | tarzeau | iciclebox: kopete |
| 11:40.47 | iciclebox | thanks all |
| 11:41.03 | kevix | highvoltage: as an outsider, debian has some non-techical problem that need addressing. |
| 11:41.25 | tarzeau | kevix: can you name some? |
| 11:41.34 | highvoltage | i hope it gets sorted out. |
| 11:41.38 | phobo | does logrotate say anywhere "something is happening stragely, so I am going to rename file to apache.access.1.1.1 instead?" (perhaps the file is open, or perhaps 2 logrotates are happening, or something?) |
| 11:41.49 | highvoltage | i use ubuntu mostly, but i like debian, it works well on all the machines i use it. |
| 11:41.54 | tarzeau | kevix: one is getting dd is not the same for everybody |
| 11:41.55 | highvoltage | i hope this doesn't hurt debian. |
| 11:42.01 | ifad | kevix, are they new, or have they been around for a long time? |
| 11:42.17 | tarzeau | kevix: i'm all for changing the checks to something like http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian.png |
| 11:42.27 | tarzeau | highvoltage: oh believe me it will |
| 11:42.34 | tarzeau | highvoltage: it just won't look like it |
| 11:43.13 | kevix | tarzeau: hehe. |
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| 11:43.48 | kevix | ifad: these are long standing issues. |
| 11:44.26 | ifad | kevix, well, Debian's gotten through them for this long :) |
| 11:44.46 | kevix | tarzeau: there are many kinds of folks as DD's. in US terms, liberal, democrats, republicans, libertarians, sociallists.... |
| 11:45.05 | tarzeau | kevix: what do you think are the three worst non-technical problems? |
| 11:47.26 | kevix | tarzeau: it is not for me to say. I do not know these people personally. I just read what dds write about their feelings towards other dds or situations. |
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| 11:47.54 | Fox | debus: maybe a change in procps, that doesn't show the process tree the same way |
| 11:48.13 | tarzeau | but when is etch released? |
| 11:50.14 | debus | Fox: ok, is there a way I could somehow see that the other CPU is used as well? now top only shows at peak times that mysqld is using 99.9% of CPU, which meant before the CPU it used and not the total CPU power |
| 11:50.17 | highvoltage | ok thanks |
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| 11:53.08 | tarzeau | debus: xosview ? |
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| 11:53.45 | kevix | tarzeau: did you see tbm's recent blog post. he seems to imply that you just need to 'step up' and folks will let you do stuff. |
| 11:54.04 | tarzeau | kevix: i've seen it. i disagree. |
| 11:54.28 | kevix | tarzeau: does joeys post agree with tbm? I guess not. |
| 11:55.07 | debus | tarzeau: I don't have X on that machine... |
| 11:55.30 | tarzeau | debus: you don't need X to run xosview |
| 11:55.39 | kevix | tarzeau: how do you fix such a gap in perception? is there a way to codify rules wrt ftpmaster and devs |
| 11:55.39 | tarzeau | debus: apt-get install xosview |
| 11:56.03 | tarzeau | kevix: i don't know about ftpmasters work, nor do i know one personally |
| 11:56.18 | debus | tarzeau: I don't? :) then I'll give it a try.... |
| 11:56.25 | tarzeau | kevix: i just see there is work, and obviously joey says it's not done timely or blocking his work |
| 11:56.28 | kevix | tarzeau: same here. which is why its speculation. |
| 11:57.07 | tarzeau | kevix: it's not blocking me. it's just slowing things down for me (waiting deps) and making users angry (not me, i can work around this) |
| 11:57.11 | debus | tarzeau: are you sure? 'Can't open display named' |
| 11:57.14 | kevix | tarzeau: and I know from what I've used and read about him that he knows a thing or two |
| 11:57.34 | tarzeau | kevix: but it's causing a more-work (bug reports for bugs that are fixed long ago, just didn't make it into debian) |
| 11:57.46 | tarzeau | debus: you know how remote x works? |
| 11:58.01 | tarzeau | kevix: who? joey? certainly he does. and he communicates it |
| 11:58.12 | kevix | tarzeau: indeed. |
| 11:58.37 | MoNtArAz | tarzeau: i added dpatch header to layer7 patch, mkdir debian/patches, copied dpatch file and created 00list |
| 11:58.40 | MoNtArAz | and edited debian/rules and added patch call on build |
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| 11:58.56 | MoNtArAz | but i get this http://pastebin.com/592441 |
| 11:59.03 | debus | tarzeau: I know, but you said it doesn't need X to run it :) |
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| 11:59.43 | tarzeau | debus: and yes it doesn't need X to run it |
| 11:59.50 | tarzeau | debus: it just needs an x server, anywhere |
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| 11:59.58 | tarzeau | debus: and xosview itself, is only an x client |
| 12:00.19 | tarzeau | MoNtArAz: read /usr/share/doc/dpatch/ |
| 12:00.33 | MoNtArAz | ok |
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| 12:02.18 | kevix | tarzeau: anyway thanks for the chat. sleep 36000 |
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| 12:05.30 | debus | tarzeau: so I can't use it without X... |
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| 12:09.34 | tarzeau | debus: oh well... you don't have an x server, anywhere? |
| 12:10.01 | wizzomafizzo | Can anyone tell me why I keep getting this error when I try to use gksu? /usr/X11R6/bin/xauth: .Xauthority not writable, changes will be ignored Segmentation fault |
| 12:10.17 | Rawplayer | RE |
| 12:11.10 | debus | tarzeau: I have on this desktop |
| 12:11.35 | tarzeau | debus: can you run ssh -CX machinewhereyouinstalledxosview ? |
| 12:12.05 | debus | tarzeau: yep |
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| 12:13.08 | Uberriffic | I am trying view the list of upgradeable packages without install, however apt-get install -u doesn't work, and 'apt-get upgrade -u' tries to upgrade |
| 12:13.25 | jm_ | it has this nice '-s' switch |
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| 12:13.58 | debus | Uberriffic: doesn't the -u need to be in front of the upgrade? |
| 12:14.00 | wizzomafizzo | Anyone? This is keeping me from even using synaptics. |
| 12:14.41 | jm_ | wizzomafizzo: use sux instead |
| 12:14.55 | wizzomafizzo | jm_: Ok. |
| 12:15.03 | Shadowcat | !info sux |
| 12:15.12 | dpkg | sux: (wrapper around su which will transfer your X credentials), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.0.1-3.2 (sid), Packaged size: 8 kB, Installed size: 64 kB |
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| 12:15.22 | Shadowcat | hmm interesting |
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| 12:30.57 | debus | ok, I did a oneliner that sums the CPU usage from all the threads and it's showing values over 100% so I guess MySQL is using both CPUs (strange that top doesn't know anything about the threads...) |
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| 12:35.16 | ircdevil | meep |
| 12:35.20 | yannick | " Linux kernel versions 2.6 or newer support a bit IUTF8 in the c_iflag member variable of struct termios. If it is set, the ?cooked? mode line editor will treat UTF-8 multi-byte sequences correctly." Can someone explain this sentence to me? Can it be that it has to do something with the fact that in my old kernel, I could not copy past unicode math characters to an other editor. And with my new kernel I can? |
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| 12:35.36 | yannick | and this is the best I could find, but I don't understand very well what they mean |
| 12:35.43 | yannick | Everything works now, but I'm interested why it didn't work before |
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| 12:43.11 | roxy_ | Hi, I am running kernel 2.4 . I did apt-get install linux-image using the 2.6.15. when I boot into it I got: can't access tty; job control turned off. :( |
| 12:43.27 | roxy_ | then a very simple shell. |
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| 12:50.56 | azeem | hiquality: /msg me privately if you agree not to spam here |
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| 12:57.54 | r3tex | when I ssh into my server, the terminal gets messed up, like it doesn't understand utf8 or something. what's wrong? |
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| 12:58.08 | dBgBdWolf | i was thinking of install both apache2 mpm worker and prefork (to support php), with worker listening on port80 and reverse proxying websites/vhosts requiring php to the prefork apache2 (say on 127.0.0.1). is this a good idea? how do i install both apache2 mpm's at the same time, since they conflict with each other? |
| 12:58.25 | azeem | dBgBdWolf: I don't think you can easily |
| 12:58.50 | dBgBdWolf | azeem: which portion do you think is more difficult? |
| 12:59.06 | azeem | dBgBdWolf: not destroying your package database, I guess |
| 12:59.07 | azeem | dunno really |
| 12:59.39 | dBgBdWolf | the thing is, the bulk (probably 95+%) of requests are for a static site that would really benefit from a threaded mpm |
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| 13:00.21 | dBgBdWolf | oh, installing 2 packages without conflicts :| |
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| 13:01.25 | dBgBdWolf | anyway... the other question is, can anyone find a cvsup package for stable/testing/unstable? |
| 13:01.37 | azeem | cvsup? |
| 13:01.47 | azeem | what does that do? |
| 13:01.58 | jm_ | I think fooz mentioned that a few times |
| 13:02.13 | jm_ | if I remember, it needs something whacky to compile it |
| 13:02.28 | erich | What is a good tool to display a large OSD clock? osdclock is rather limited in font size due to not having freetype support. And I'd need some OSD-thing, because the box is running a browser full-screened. |
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| 13:05.15 | dBgBdWolf | cvsup is this thing used by the bsd's for mirroring their sources... |
| 13:06.09 | dBgBdWolf | and yes, it requires modula-3 |
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| 13:12.22 | E-bola | Do anybody have a sugestion for an iptables script/frontend to configure dual wan links on the same box? |
| 13:12.34 | PerfDave | E-bola: /msg dpkg lartc |
| 13:13.00 | E-bola | is that really necesary? |
| 13:13.04 | E-bola | cant u do it with iptables alone? |
| 13:13.18 | PerfDave | Depends what you're trying to configure. |
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| 13:13.31 | PerfDave | Might help if you give us more detail, or read the aforementioned HOWTO. |
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| 13:13.37 | dBgBdWolf | what are you trying to achieve with 2 wan links? |
| 13:14.08 | E-bola | Well im not 100% sure what to put on each link yet |
| 13:14.18 | E-bola | i could ofcourse just load balance between them, but thats not that nice |
| 13:14.27 | E-bola | Ile most likely want to put certain types of traffic on 1 line |
| 13:14.30 | E-bola | and other types on the other |
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| 13:14.56 | E-bola | Its 2 adsl lines both terminated as ethernet, with 1 global ip assigned to each, and i then have a lan segment behind the box that will use them to get to the internet |
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| 13:15.04 | nixie | that sounds like advanced routing to me. unlikely you'll find a GUI tool for that |
| 13:15.30 | E-bola | i have been using gShild (an iptables frontend/script) for many years |
| 13:15.31 | nixie | you'll need route policys |
| 13:15.39 | E-bola | i was hoping there was something sim ilar that supported multiple wan lines |
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| 13:18.42 | osiris_ | arno firewall script can do that I think... |
| 13:19.06 | osiris_ | http://rocky.eld.leidenuniv.nl/ |
| 13:19.12 | E-bola | thanks looking into it |
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| 13:29.01 | slpafo | i can't login as non-root to kdm. syslog has the msg: "Can't create authorization file in home dir /home/..." I have another installation using the same file structure and user name. the permissions of the home dirs in both installation is the same. what else to check? |
| 13:30.23 | PerfDave | slpafo: Free disk space? |
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| 13:31.44 | slpafo | PerfDave, i have that checked in realtime with gkrellm. i still have 700+ MB out of 7GB. |
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| 13:32.37 | lpb-oberon | ^^ |
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| 13:32.59 | epsilon | possible you miss any package handling x authority? |
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| 13:33.06 | oxff | i need help uninstalling a package |
| 13:33.30 | epsilon | apt-get remove (--purge) 'package' |
| 13:33.34 | Fox | oxff: what package ? |
| 13:33.37 | oxff | # dpkg -P bootsplash-theme-newlinux-deb |
| 13:33.37 | oxff | (Reading database ... 93613 files and directories currently installed.) |
| 13:33.37 | oxff | Removing bootsplash-theme-newlinux-deb ... |
| 13:33.37 | oxff | dpkg: error processing bootsplash-theme-newlinux-deb (--purge): |
| 13:33.37 | oxff | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:33.48 | oxff | ?! |
| 13:33.55 | jm_ | slpf;permissions of the file in question |
| 13:33.57 | oxff | is there a #debian specific pastebot? |
| 13:34.07 | epsilon | topic |
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| 13:34.48 | E-bola | osiris: |
| 13:34.51 | E-bola | Q: Is there a way to define 2 or more ethernet adapters for external networks? |
| 13:34.51 | E-bola | A: Currently it's not possible yet |
| 13:34.59 | E-bola | arno's script dont seem to support it :/ |
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| 13:35.27 | Unetixs | It is possible to define two ethernet adapters for external networks using round-robin static packet routing |
| 13:35.36 | oxff | so who can help me uninstalling a package if dpgk outputs the following: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2023 ? |
| 13:35.47 | oxff | i just want to remove it from the list of installed packages |
| 13:35.50 | Unetixs | Look for information on "load balancing" |
| 13:35.52 | oxff | i can clear the files out on my own |
| 13:35.55 | E-bola | unetixs: u cant achive that with purely iptables can you? |
| 13:36.02 | slpafo | epsilon, missing package handling x authority, that's a possibility. what package(s) to check for? |
| 13:36.05 | Unetixs | you also need a script or two |
| 13:36.11 | E-bola | Im not really looking to load blalance btw |
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| 13:36.14 | russleon_ | hi |
| 13:36.18 | osiris_ | E-bola: hmm weird, I think I saw a script in the newest package for doing just that |
| 13:36.21 | E-bola | i want to use 1 link for incomming connections, and one ofr normal browsing mail etc |
| 13:36.21 | Unetixs | It's something I'm working on doing for another distribution |
| 13:36.26 | russleon_ | i am trying to create an empty debian changelog file. how to do it? |
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| 13:36.34 | osiris_ | E-bola: old FAQ? :p |
| 13:36.41 | E-bola | osiris: hmm dunno hehe |
| 13:37.03 | epsilon | oxff: run the pre-removal script manually and check where's the problem |
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| 13:37.14 | oxff | epsilon: how do i run it manually? |
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| 13:37.38 | Unetixs | E-bola: what are you trying to do exactly if it's not load balancing? |
| 13:37.52 | Unetixs | Dual wan piping is essentially reversed load balancing |
| 13:37.53 | osiris_ | E-bola: pm |
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| 13:38.17 | launch | Hi i try to put a background image using xsetroot -bitmap in .ratpoisonrc without success, this is not the right command? |
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| 13:38.58 | E-bola | Unetixs: I have always had a normal adsl line |
| 13:39.04 | osiris_ | E-bola: newest supports it ;) |
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| 13:39.15 | E-bola | but the latency for incomming connections (vpn and telnet) have become too crappy |
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| 13:39.31 | E-bola | so i wanna run those services (external users connect in) on another line |
| 13:39.49 | E-bola | so basically, vpn/ssh/telnet should come in on link2 and be forwarded to some servers in the natted lan |
| 13:39.55 | ahmed | someone with a 2.4 kernel, is asking me for a DVDR that works well with Linux!! |
| 13:40.08 | E-bola | and all normal lan user traffic (mail, web, im's etc) should be as it have always be on link1 |
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| 13:40.45 | Unetixs | E-Bola: I am pretty sure you can pull it off, but it's treading into uncharted territory |
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| 13:40.52 | Unetixs | or at least mostly uncharted |
| 13:40.52 | vilius | can someone help me |
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| 13:40.54 | vilius | but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. |
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| 13:41.01 | vilius | how do i activate that option? |
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| 13:41.12 | E-bola | unetixs: unchartered? how can that be, its not that special? |
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| 13:41.54 | useruser | vilius: man apt_preferences |
| 13:41.54 | Unetixs | For some reason most people don't do it. Multiple wan configurations are things I very rarely come across |
| 13:42.08 | bMoL | ahmed, dvd-r works very well with linux |
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| 13:42.46 | Unetixs | businesses in the US usually stick to one ISP, and most ISPs won't provide more than one line to the same building because of pricing issues with their higher bandwidth service options |
| 13:42.53 | fireba11 | Unetixs: i got one .. we got 2 2MBit/s SDSL sonnections .. but provider also lends us a hardware router that automatically uses both lines |
| 13:43.01 | vilius | i cant find it |
| 13:43.14 | Unetixs | that's another option, there are a few routers with load balancing |
| 13:43.17 | vilius | useruser could you tell me the exact command please :/ |
| 13:43.31 | E-bola | yes this is 2.2 sdsl line as well |
| 13:43.48 | useruser | vilius: no, I don't know it |
| 13:43.48 | E-bola | IT has better latency than the old adsl line |
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| 13:44.02 | E-bola | which will be quite noticable since it will only be used for external users too |
| 13:44.10 | E-bola | If i can get debian to work that is :) |
| 13:44.14 | Dnumgis | I have an issue where apt fails to install x11-common because it also contains a file that is in xfree86-common |
| 13:44.22 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 13:44.22 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 13:44.28 | PerfDave | E-bola: Why not just use the ADSL line as the "default gateway", and just have you VPN service listening on the SDSL interface? |
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| 13:45.02 | E-bola | Perfdave: well ile definately try that, since its the simplest solution |
| 13:45.14 | E-bola | but since my services for the external users are on other boxces than the firewall/router box |
| 13:45.18 | E-bola | wont nat mapping be a problem? |
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| 13:45.43 | PerfDave | E-bola: I don't see why. Just get your external users to connect to the IP of the SDSL interface. |
| 13:46.16 | E-bola | well the internal servers use a nat range, so wont they "answer back" via the old link? |
| 13:46.50 | PerfDave | E-bola: I don't think so, the NAT router will know where the original request came from. |
| 13:47.18 | E-bola | Hmm well i was hoping it would be that easy, i just doubt it |
| 13:47.26 | PerfDave | E-bola: Why don't you suck it and see? |
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| 13:47.46 | E-bola | PerfDave: well the line wont be installed before the 31st, im just pre analysing |
| 13:48.10 | E-bola | + messing with firewall rules etc, will probably disrupt user working, so i prefer to be as confident as possible before playing around too much |
| 13:48.14 | PerfDave | E-bola: Or just run the SDSL directly into your DMZ :) |
| 13:48.26 | E-bola | I dont have a DMZ :0) |
| 13:48.35 | E-bola | the servers are on same segment as users hehe |
| 13:48.37 | PerfDave | E-bola: *shudder* |
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| 13:49.17 | fireba11 | urks |
| 13:49.20 | E-bola | Guess i coudl put them on their own range |
| 13:49.32 | E-bola | but since all external access is ip-restricted i feel somewhat safe |
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| 13:49.45 | britt | Im having a little problem with DHCP requests and wireless networking...just wondering if they're any networking guru's |
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| 13:50.59 | iciclebox | what's a good ftp program? |
| 13:51.01 | iciclebox | client |
| 13:51.11 | britt | console or GUI |
| 13:51.16 | iciclebox | GUI |
| 13:51.20 | britt | oh. |
| 13:51.24 | britt | cant help ya there. |
| 13:51.25 | britt | ;) |
| 13:51.26 | r3tex | how can i create a device node for a webcam i just connected? |
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| 13:51.49 | rhalff_ | iciclebox, just use galeon ? |
| 13:51.53 | iciclebox | thanks |
| 13:52.07 | britt | cya guys. classtime |
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| 13:53.48 | Ronin | iciclebox: ive been using gftp lately seems ok for what little i do with it |
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| 13:54.58 | iciclebox | btw, anyone have a gmail notifier here? |
| 13:55.04 | iciclebox | Ronin: thanks |
| 13:55.12 | bMoL | iciclebox, gftp is a client very well |
| 13:55.18 | dooglus | iciclebox: there's a nice firefox plugin gmail notifier |
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| 13:55.33 | dooglus | iciclebox: it notifies even if firefox is minimized |
| 13:55.40 | Dnumgis | noone know what to do which x11-common/xfree86-common? |
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| 13:55.53 | dooglus | iciclebox: it's caled "Gmail Manager" |
| 13:55.55 | iciclebox | dooglus: if firefox is closed? |
| 13:56.08 | dooglus | iciclebox: not if it's closed as in not running, no. |
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| 13:56.44 | Virtual | artsd has gone mad, its using 79% of my CPU, any idea why ???? |
| 13:56.49 | dooglus | iciclebox: but it can be minimised - only showing on your taskbar. and you still see notifications |
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| 13:57.44 | Dnumgis | Virtual: it being artsd is not enough of an argument for you? |
| 13:57.44 | dooglus | iciclebox: I've tried quite a few different gmail notifiers. the problem with most of them is that they don't get updated when google change their protocol yet again. |
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| 13:58.19 | Virtual | heh |
| 13:58.19 | Virtual | very funny |
| 13:58.19 | Virtual | and what am I supposed to use if not arts? |
| 13:58.20 | dBgBdWolf | is there a simple tool that will automatically detect what a "make install" of an arbitrary package would do, and put that into a .deb so that i can easily uninstall it in future? |
| 13:58.35 | iciclebox | dooglus: that's my problem |
| 13:58.36 | bMoL | Virtual, try delete all configuration of your artsd then reboot him |
| 13:58.39 | dooglus | dBgBdWolf: "checkinstall" |
| 13:58.46 | dBgBdWolf | great, thanks |
| 13:58.46 | iciclebox | dooglus: oh, firefox can be minimized to the system tray? |
| 13:58.57 | coolpix | lo |
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| 13:59.23 | peritus_ | my pppoe connection disconnects every 60 minute "Modem hangup", could this probably be prevented by lower the MTU? im not sure what the MTU should be, right now it is 1500 |
| 13:59.24 | dooglus | iciclebox: not to the system tray, no, to the task bar. the notification appears in a pop-up window |
| 13:59.40 | Virtual | bMoL: actually I'm using alsa but I think some apps may still use arts? |
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| 14:01.10 | bMoL | Virtual, maybe. check configuration of your apps to use alsa or oss |
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| 14:03.19 | zaikxtox | hello. i'm compiling thunar, the xfce4cvs filemanager on debian sarge. while compiling libexo sh autogen.sh says Please add the files codeset.m4 gettext.m4 glibc21.m4 iconv.m4 isc-posix.m4 lcmessage.m4... etc... |
| 14:03.25 | zaikxtox | i have automake 1.8 |
| 14:03.31 | iciclebox | dooglus: hmm. I was hoping for something less obstructive |
| 14:03.42 | zaikxtox | and every file listed is in the right directory |
| 14:03.43 | zaikxtox | :| |
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| 14:06.00 | aeronadix | xine doesn't play vcd's from file (can't play .bin files) how can I play the vcd on file |
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| 14:06.46 | jm_ | aeronadix: mplayer is supposed to do that |
| 14:07.15 | mooooooooooo | Hi, I'm having problems with booting a kernel patched with grsecurity. When it boots, it says, /sbin/init:432 cannot open /dev/console... Kernel panic: Attemted to kill init |
| 14:07.18 | aeronadix | jm_, Yeah, but mplayer doesn't work so well for me, it plays slow |
| 14:07.32 | jelly | Hi, I have some problems with udev. When I do "modprobe fuse", the device gets created with root:root ownership, but /etc/udev/permissions.rules states ... GROUP="fuse". |
| 14:07.47 | mooooooooooo | its a vanilla 2.4.32 kernel with a debian .config |
| 14:08.16 | bMoL | aeronadix, are you using the correct version of mplayer for your hardware? |
| 14:08.30 | jelly | eh, nevermind. I didn't have the group fuse on system. |
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| 14:09.15 | aeronadix | bMoL, yeah |
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| 14:10.57 | roxy_ | I am running kernel 2.4 . I did apt-get install linux-image using the 2.6.15. when I boot into it I got: "can't access tty; job control turned off". |
| 14:11.03 | bMoL | aeronadix, have you a fast hardware for play videos in fullscreen or maximized window? try less the video window for a better performance |
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| 14:12.33 | aeronadix | bMoL, yeah, but I want to play fullscreen, and xine reduces the colors or something so it works, but mplayer always lags |
| 14:12.45 | elfolnx | hello, i need some help understanding how to make kde+hal work together (i can't find something like /etc/init.d/hal so i don't know how to start hald) |
| 14:12.58 | aeronadix | xine must be able to play .bin files from disk somehow |
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| 14:15.06 | Phated | Mount it -o loop, play that? <shrug> |
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| 14:16.00 | bMoL | aeronadix, i think the problem is how you setting configuration of xine, try others configuration types, them post results |
| 14:16.23 | aeronadix | bMoL, dunno what you mean |
| 14:16.24 | Unetixs | Has anyone here ever had GDM do funky things to their resolution? I've got a workstation here that won't move itself to 800x600 even though I've run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and removed all scren options except 800x600. It seems to be stuck at even less than 640x480 |
| 14:16.36 | quiet | does anyone have experience with MRTG, and would be willing to give me a hand? |
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| 14:16.42 | Unetixs | can GDM control resolution? |
| 14:16.45 | jm_ | quiet: many people do |
| 14:16.47 | EtherNet- | anyone setup pptpd some time? |
| 14:17.08 | jm_ | Unetixs: it should use what is set in X server config |
| 14:17.35 | Unetixs | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 should set it correctly, right? |
| 14:17.48 | jm_ | yes, check the logfile to find out hwy it's using that mode |
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| 14:17.58 | jm_ | well unless you messed with it manually, see /msg dpkg xmd5 |
| 14:18.01 | quiet | jm_, I'm just trying to get the configuration right... i did all the cfgmaker and whatnot... it's monitoring the local interace.. but what I want to monitor is bandwidth usage on a couple dozen Cisco Auironet bridges... I am trying to follow example configs i'm finding online... but everything i try to run mrtg it tells me i have syntax errors. |
| 14:18.10 | Unetixs | alright. Could you refresh my memory as to where the config files for X are kept? |
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| 14:18.35 | jm_ | /etc/X11, but don't edit it by hand, see xmd5 mentioned above ;) |
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| 14:18.43 | Unetixs | thanks jm |
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| 14:19.03 | jm_ | quiet: syntax error when running cfgmaker? |
| 14:19.22 | quiet | jm_, no... when I try to add a node to mrtg.cfg and then run 'mrtg' again |
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| 14:20.05 | gdg | hi |
| 14:20.26 | jm_ | quiet: shouldn't cfgmaker blabla > mrtg.conf work? |
| 14:20.31 | elfolnx | hello, i need some help understanding how to make kde+hal work together (i can't find something like /etc/init.d/hal so i don't know how to start hald) |
| 14:20.37 | gdg | what is the best irc terminal-client ? |
| 14:20.44 | elfolnx | gdg: irssi |
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| 14:21.24 | quiet | jm_, 'blabla' being the IP address of a node i wish to monitor? |
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| 14:21.34 | jm_ | quiet: for example, man cfgmaker lists your options |
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| 14:21.55 | elfolnx | ok... i didn't have hal installed :/ |
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| 14:22.30 | gdg | thanks, I'm trying it... |
| 14:22.32 | gdg | bye |
| 14:22.36 | gdg | \quit |
| 14:23.29 | Wee | okay so anybody could tell me or give me an url where I can find instructions on how to get my |
| 14:23.29 | Wee | [root@sls-da5p16 /]# openssl |
| 14:23.29 | Wee | OpenSSL> |
| 14:23.29 | Wee | [root@sls-da5p16 /]# openssl x509 -noout -text -in server.crt |
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| 14:23.51 | tobo | when i install xine im getting the following error "chcon system_u:object_r:texrel_shlib_t /usr/local/lib/libxine.so chcon: /usr/local/lib/libxine.so: Operation not supported" anyone know whats going on? |
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| 14:24.50 | iciclebox | anyone got a gcc "error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 14:24.51 | iciclebox | " |
| 14:25.01 | jm_ | iciclebox: yes, many people have |
| 14:25.05 | Wee | Anybody could tell me how to easily get my 'Certificate Signing Request' from an Apache mod SSL server? |
| 14:25.17 | aeronadix | iciclebox, maybe it means you can't write to the directory |
| 14:25.24 | Wee | or give me an url to instructions how to do it |
| 14:25.25 | quiet | jm_, i did "cfgmaker [IP_OF_BRIDGE] > /etc/mrtg.cfg and it all looked like it completed, but when i tried to run 'mrtg' afterwards it gives errors about: http://pastebin.com/592603 |
| 14:25.34 | wakejagr | what, if any, changes can be made to the partition table (using fdisk) that won't screw up my partitions? if I change a partitions type, will I have problems? |
| 14:25.44 | jm_ | !tell iciclebox -about b-e |
| 14:25.49 | jm_ | quiet: why are you running mrtg? |
| 14:25.56 | abrotman | wee: use make-ssl-cert .. or whatever it is ... |
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| 14:26.22 | abrotman | wakejagr: if you change a partition type .. won't you have to format it?> |
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| 14:26.51 | launch | is there a command to find a word in a file |
| 14:27.00 | iciclebox | jm_: thanks! |
| 14:27.02 | jm_ | wakejagr: partition type is mostly used for your reference, it doesn't affect mounting it |
| 14:27.07 | jm_ | launch: yes |
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| 14:27.21 | wakejagr | abrotman: the partition is mislabled: i set up a d: drive when I installed xp on a laptop, then installed linux later, never switching to linux in the table |
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| 14:27.38 | launch | jm_ and we can combine it with find command, to search in all file on my harddrive |
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| 14:28.14 | jm_ | launch: yeah, but that command can do it that by itself - man grep (pay attention to -r switch) |
| 14:28.25 | wakejagr | jm_: that's what I was thinking, thanks |
| 14:28.26 | launch | thanks a lot |
| 14:28.43 | zorrolero | quiet: your http://pastebin.com/592603-output is normal for the first run(s) of mrtg, iirc |
| 14:28.50 | CiDUZ | hey, I installed xserver-xfree86 on my (old highscreen) notebook. After this, i did xd86config and started with startx. The server and windowManagers run so far, but they're smaller than the tft could display them (there'S a black boarder of about 6" on each side)..anyone got an idea how to fix this? |
| 14:29.14 | useruser | CiDUZ: change the resolution |
| 14:29.32 | abrotman | wakejagr: i'd think you'd be ok |
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| 14:29.53 | abrotman | CiDUZ: pick the natural resolution for your screen |
| 14:30.01 | hellfire | CiDUZ: did you check out http://www.tuxmobile.org/ already? |
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| 14:30.11 | abrotman | CiDUZ: older laptops used to have software drivers in windows to "stretch" the screen |
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| 14:30.55 | CiDUZ | okay.. I don't know if it alredy counts to such a one..it has still got 200mhz - but okay |
| 14:31.06 | CiDUZ | how to activate such "stretching" ? |
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| 14:31.16 | gdg | hi |
| 14:31.24 | CiDUZ | hi |
| 14:31.38 | gdg | i'm using irssi now ;) |
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| 14:31.51 | abrotman | CiDUZ: it was a windows driver .. what resoltuion did you pick? |
| 14:31.57 | stew | abrotman: its wasn't in the software driver, and new laptops will still do it in hardware |
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| 14:32.07 | abrotman | stew: it's a very old laptop |
| 14:32.31 | stew | ok |
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| 14:32.39 | gdg | an other question, where debian saves the file with packages repository (say the packages-servers)? |
| 14:32.53 | abrotman | CiDUZ: what is the laptop model? |
| 14:32.59 | jm_ | gdg: man dpkg, section FILES |
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| 14:33.19 | CiDUZ | abrotman: it's an highscreen advanced laptop |
| 14:33.26 | hellfire | gdg: /var/lib/dpkg/status if you mean that. |
| 14:33.35 | abrotman | CiDUZ: that's the manufacturer? |
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| 14:33.57 | abrotman | bonus points if you've heard of highscreen advanced! :) |
| 14:35.02 | dragan | how can i check the compilation parameters of a binary package??? |
| 14:35.27 | CiDUZ | I got two resolutions in my xf86config file: 800x600 and 480 |
| 14:35.28 | abrotman | grab the source .. check the rules file |
| 14:35.38 | abrotman | CiDUZ: which is it using? |
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| 14:35.53 | CiDUZ | 640*480, sorry .. how can I figure out which one he uses (sorry) |
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| 14:36.13 | dragan | abortman: no dpkg solution??? |
| 14:36.39 | abrotman | xdpyinfo |
| 14:36.41 | jm_ | xdpyinfo tells you current resolution, or xrandr |
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| 14:36.47 | hellfire | he called you abortman. |
| 14:36.50 | abrotman | !tell dragan about source |
| 14:36.57 | abrotman | hellfire: i highlight on it .. it's common |
| 14:37.09 | hellfire | ah! :) |
| 14:37.13 | shadow98 | how do i tell what version apt0get is going to install |
| 14:37.14 | abrotman | dragan: you'll grab the source .. and check the rules files |
| 14:37.23 | abrotman | apt-cache policy <pkg> |
| 14:37.32 | CiDUZ | okay..let's check which one he's currently using |
| 14:37.39 | mike-_- | i have the most fucked disk here, i need a program to read a unreadable disk, in linux , and get some of the information out, can anyone give any tip? the drive sounds like its playing pong when it searches for the drive |
| 14:37.59 | jm_ | mike-_-: ddrescue might help |
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| 14:38.08 | mike-_- | thanx jm_ |
| 14:38.21 | dragan | abrotman: i kind of knew that already. but if i wanted to check few packages then i have to download them all?? not very handy |
| 14:38.21 | gdg | sorry, I didn't find what I searching for, I mean: where can I put the server from which debian download the packages? |
| 14:38.36 | hellfire | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:38.42 | hellfire | @gfg |
| 14:38.46 | gdg | hellfire: thanks |
| 14:38.47 | hellfire | ups @gdg |
| 14:38.56 | abrotman | dragan: no .. sorry .. that's probably something that should be added |
| 14:39.16 | mike-_- | i know a vocalist tha will be so happy if this works |
| 14:39.33 | hellfire | mike: will he then sing for us? |
| 14:39.44 | abrotman | you know it's a girl! |
| 14:39.45 | CiDUZ | okay.guess that's the important part: screen#0; dimensions 800*600pixels (203*152mm) |
| 14:39.54 | mike-_- | hhe, probably sing the debian song for us =) |
| 14:40.05 | hellfire | mike: cool! :) |
| 14:40.09 | dragan | abrotman: thanx anyway! |
| 14:40.10 | abrotman | CiDUZ: try only using 640x480 .. see what happens |
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| 14:40.57 | CiDUZ | okay..how can I change it? directly doing it with the startx command? |
| 14:41.39 | Fox | CiDUZ: dpkg-reconfigure xerser-xfree86 |
| 14:41.52 | Fox | CiDUZ: dpkg-reconfigure xserser-xfree86 |
| 14:42.02 | hellfire | Fox one more try! |
| 14:42.09 | jm_ | yeah use drxx ;) |
| 14:42.10 | CiDUZ | hehe |
| 14:42.13 | Fox | CiDUZ: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 14:42.16 | Fox | \o/ |
| 14:42.19 | hellfire | :) |
| 14:42.21 | Fox | :) |
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| 14:42.46 | abrotman | he'll need to fix the md5 since he used xf86config |
| 14:42.52 | abrotman | !xmd5 |
| 14:42.52 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 14:43.25 | Fox | xf86config == hand-edit ? didn't know that |
| 14:43.38 | gdg | does exist a list/webpages of other sources for debian packages than the original installation mirrors? |
| 14:44.25 | abrotman | Fox: == not doing it the "Debian way" |
| 14:44.31 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 14:44.31 | dpkg | debian mirrors is, like, use apt-setup, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror |
| 14:44.36 | Fox | ok |
| 14:45.07 | quiet | zorrolero, ahh.. thanks, okay, subsequent restarts of mrtg does not display that error. However; the new addition does not display on the MRTG web page.. |
| 14:45.18 | gdg | abrotman: I mean, not exactly mirrors, but users repositories... |
| 14:45.34 | CiDUZ | okay..changes seemed to work |
| 14:45.47 | CiDUZ | let's see if there has anything changed when starting x |
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| 14:46.45 | CiDUZ | hmm,..the "window" I got seems to be smaller than before, not larger =/ |
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| 14:46.54 | hellfire | lol! |
| 14:47.12 | hellfire | ciduz: what kind of resolution did you choose? |
| 14:47.33 | abrotman | gdg: what are you lookging for? |
| 14:47.41 | abrotman | CiDUZ: does it support 1024? |
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| 14:47.49 | abrotman | CiDUZ: do you have the laptop manual? .. |
| 14:48.07 | CiDUZ | 640*480, available resolutions: 640*480,800*600,1024*768. let's check xdpyinfo if he really took the new resolution |
| 14:48.25 | CiDUZ | I got one, yep..but it's a very "user-friendly" one.. so...kick it. |
| 14:48.42 | gdg | abrotman: xerces |
| 14:48.45 | gdg | apache |
| 14:48.56 | abrotman | xerces is in sarge isn't it? |
| 14:49.06 | gdg | deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib |
| 14:49.13 | abrotman | it's certainly in there |
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| 14:49.16 | gdg | my source.list |
| 14:49.31 | abrotman | gdg: did you try `apt-cache search xerces` ? |
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| 14:49.38 | CiDUZ | yep..he used the new resolution...but I guess it's interesting what's behind it.. (163*122mm)..this seems to size to the window size..but not to the lcd size |
| 14:49.52 | gdg | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:49.53 | dpkg | ii *xerces* 1.5-14.2 gdg's private porn collection |
| 14:50.02 | gdg | ...? |
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| 14:50.31 | azeem | gdg: use apt-cache search, ratehr |
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| 14:50.56 | CiDUZ | lcd size (285*215mm) |
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| 14:51.28 | CiDUZ | so could the xwindowsystem probably think I got a smaller lcd than I really got? |
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| 14:52.03 | tdn | I don't know if this is the right place to ask questions about phpPgAdmin, but maybe you can help me anyway? Or maybe give me a point in the direction to where I can get help on it. I am using phpPgAdmin on Debian stable and I get an error saying that my config.inc.php is out of date... It also says that I should regenerate a new one from config.inc.php-dist, but according to dlocate no such file exists. Maybe this is some Debian speci |
| 14:52.54 | abrotman | tdn: updatedb && locate config.inc.php-dist |
| 14:54.17 | tdn | abrotman, gives me nothing. I don't have that file. Thats why I figured that it might have something to do with the way phppgadmin comes with Debian. |
| 14:54.58 | abrotman | tdn: it might .. i have no idea why it would say it's out of date though |
| 14:55.06 | azeem | *dist is what dpkg leaves behind if you choose not to update a config file with what's in the package I think |
| 14:55.13 | azeem | but I thought it was .dist, not -dist |
| 14:55.18 | tdn | abrotman, no. But it is a new clean installation. |
| 14:55.35 | tdn | abrotman, I have not changed the config.inc.php, because the defaults were fine for me. |
| 14:55.48 | CiDUZ | there's also this: resolution: 100*100/inch..probably too much..so the whole thing get's smaller? |
| 14:55.50 | azeem | tdn: locate config.inc.php and then look for other files of that name with different extensions in that directory |
| 14:56.59 | tdn | azeem, I have tried that. There is only one that has anything to do with phppgadmin. It is /usr/share/phppgadmin/conf/config.inc.php (actually a symlink to /etc/phppgadmin/config.inc.php). |
| 14:58.16 | azeem | tdn: is the real file in /usr/share or in /etc? |
| 14:58.25 | tdn | azeem, in /etc |
| 14:58.51 | tdn | azeem, I am running stable and the package phppgadmin is up to date. |
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| 15:01.01 | zaikxtox | someone compiled thunar on debian sarge? |
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| 15:05.47 | tdn | azeem, do you use phppgadmin? |
| 15:05.49 | beanz | How can I resize an umounted ext2 or ext3 volume in stable? |
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| 15:07.51 | azeem | tdn: nope, sorry |
| 15:08.06 | tdn | azeem, ok. |
| 15:08.40 | azeem | tdn: you could download the stable .deb, extract the config.ini.php and check its md5sum against the one you have in stable |
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| 15:09.29 | tdn | azeem, ok. Where to get the .deb? |
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| 15:09.40 | azeem | tdn: packages.debian.org |
| 15:09.43 | azeem | follow the links |
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| 15:09.58 | tdn | azeem, oh. I thought it was down. |
| 15:10.02 | azeem | it's up again |
| 15:10.07 | tdn | azeem, nice :) |
| 15:10.09 | azeem | read the dpkg-deb manual page for how to extract debs manually without installing them |
| 15:10.44 | tdn | azeem, ok. |
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| 15:12.38 | beanz | Anyone know how to resize an ext2 partition on lvm? |
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| 15:12.44 | beanz | the vg is already resized. |
| 15:12.47 | tdn | azeem, maybe it is just me being blind, but I can't find the download link on http://packages.debian.org/stable/web/phppgadmin |
| 15:13.23 | stew | tdn: it says "all" |
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| 15:13.45 | tdn | stew, ok. Thanks. |
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| 15:14.53 | shadow98 | hey debian im getting this error: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/ |
| 15:14.55 | quiet | can someone tell me what this means? http://pastebin.com/592677 I'm running Sarge. |
| 15:14.56 | valdyn | beanz: grow or shrink? |
| 15:15.01 | beanz | valdyn: grow |
| 15:15.14 | fireba11 | shadow98: where is your question ? |
| 15:15.17 | valdyn | beanz: grow the partition then use fsresize iirc |
| 15:15.20 | stew | shadow98: that usually means its not running |
| 15:15.29 | shadow98 | im trying to start it |
| 15:15.41 | beanz | valdyn: okay thanks |
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| 15:15.54 | fireba11 | shadow98: so au sp aux | grep mysql to see if its running |
| 15:16.00 | stew | shadow98: turn on logging, or try to run mysqld by hand |
| 15:16.01 | fireba11 | argh |
| 15:16.07 | tdn | azeem, I have taken a sha1sum of both my config.inc.php and the one from the .deb. They match. |
| 15:16.20 | azeem | tdn: hrm, strange then |
| 15:16.25 | azeem | maybe a bug in stable, dunno |
| 15:16.45 | stew | quiet: what does "apt-cache policy sendmail-bin" say for Candidate:, what happens when you try to apt-get install sendmail-bin |
| 15:16.46 | shadow98 | its not running |
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| 15:16.50 | tdn | azeem, yes. Very strange. |
| 15:16.54 | valdyn | quiet: fix this : E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
| 15:17.10 | tdn | azeem, maybe it's a bug, but I don't get many hits when searching on Google. |
| 15:17.32 | tdn | azeem, actually I only get pages that are open phppgadmin sites that displays the error. |
| 15:17.36 | quiet | stew, 8.13.4-3 |
| 15:17.50 | shadow98 | i think i need client |
| 15:18.00 | quiet | valdyn, how do i fix that?? i have done upgrade and dist-upgrade... nothing left to do.. |
| 15:18.10 | valdyn | quiet: you have held packages |
| 15:18.21 | valdyn | quiet: packages dont go on hold by themselves, you did that |
| 15:18.24 | stew | quiet: try installing it, it will likely have some other dependency that is "uninstallable" try to install that, keep following the dependencies until you find a root cause |
| 15:18.37 | quiet | i have not done anything about holding packages. |
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| 15:19.18 | quiet | stew, sendmail-binis installing... and removing exim |
| 15:19.31 | valdyn | quiet: thats good |
| 15:20.05 | valdyn | except that i wonder why someone would use sendmail at all.. |
| 15:20.13 | Zugschlus | there is no practical reason to use sendmail for new installations |
| 15:20.18 | Zugschlus | !start an mta war |
| 15:20.18 | dpkg | sendmail has shitty documentation |
| 15:20.43 | quiet | this is used ONLY for sending automatic emails with smokeping alerts. |
| 15:20.53 | quiet | and it is already configured to use sendmail. |
| 15:21.19 | valdyn | how unfortunate |
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| 15:21.38 | stew | quiet: you mean the sendmail mta or /usr/bin/sendmail ? |
| 15:21.48 | quiet | /usr/bin/sendmail yes. |
| 15:21.57 | valdyn | quiet: every mta provides that |
| 15:22.00 | quiet | ok |
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| 15:22.12 | zinx | yeah, use something sane, sendmail has shitty documentation :D |
| 15:22.22 | quiet | i have little(no) experience with unix-based mailservers... i really need to learn something... |
| 15:22.23 | valdyn | quiet: hell you can even use one of the dead simple barely functional mta's |
| 15:22.30 | quiet | that's all i need |
| 15:22.31 | stew | err /usr/sbin/sendmail, but yeah, every mta (courier, exim, sendmail, postfix...) provides a sendmail binary |
| 15:22.31 | quiet | :) |
| 15:22.42 | quiet | the system willnot be recieving ANY email |
| 15:22.45 | quiet | just sending alerts. |
| 15:23.20 | valdyn | quiet: use exim ( because its standard ) or one of the simpler 'crippled' mtas |
| 15:23.38 | quiet | okay... reinstalling exim.. |
| 15:23.40 | quiet | heh. |
| 15:24.00 | tdn | azeem, if this is a bug in stable... Where should I report it? By sending an e-mail to the maintainer of the package? |
| 15:24.16 | azeem | tdn: check bugs.debian.org/<package> first |
| 15:24.16 | Zugschlus | tdn: reportbug <packagename> |
| 15:24.20 | quiet | umm.. it is installing exim 3 but gives a warning that i should upgrade to exim 4 |
| 15:24.22 | valdyn | tdn: run 'reportbug' |
| 15:24.29 | quiet | cancel and aptitude install exim4 ? |
| 15:24.34 | Zugschlus | quiet: yes |
| 15:24.36 | quiet | ok |
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| 15:26.30 | tdn | azeem, I have checked bugs.debian.org/phppgadmin and the bug is not described there. |
| 15:26.33 | Pei_world | is this command correct "chroot root_fs /bin/su -" |
| 15:26.54 | azeem | tdn: a bug report is in order then, but be advised that it might not get fixed |
| 15:27.05 | azeem | though the maintainer might come up with useful insight |
| 15:27.09 | tdn | azeem, ok? Why not? |
| 15:27.19 | valdyn | Pei_world: the /bin/su - is redundant |
| 15:27.23 | tdn | valdyn, Zugschlus: I have no program called reportbug |
| 15:27.30 | azeem | tdn: install it then |
| 15:27.32 | valdyn | !installit |
| 15:27.32 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 15:27.40 | azeem | tdn: ok, it totally makes the package unusable? |
| 15:27.42 | Pei_world | what is that mean |
| 15:27.59 | tdn | azeem, well... I don't know. I can't get it to run. |
| 15:28.48 | valdyn | Pei_world: skip the /bin/su - in that command, ist pointless |
| 15:28.48 | Pei_world | http://uclibc.org/toolchains.html look at the line |
| 15:28.48 | azeem | tdn: ok, file it then |
| 15:28.49 | tdn | azeem, ok. |
| 15:28.49 | Pei_world | it doesn't work as well |
| 15:28.58 | azeem | it might be a problem local to your system, but it should get fixed one way or the other I think |
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| 15:29.08 | valdyn | Pei_world: try a different channel where mindreaders hang around |
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| 15:30.03 | Zugschlus | !doesntwork |
| 15:30.11 | Zugschlus | !doesn't work |
| 15:30.11 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 15:30.21 | hid3 | Is there any way to kick all logged in users? |
| 15:30.47 | Pei_world | what do you mean by try different channel? |
| 15:31.13 | quiet | hid3, there is a program called 'slay' i believe? |
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| 15:31.23 | valdyn | Pei_world: i tried to tell you that we are not mind readers - > if you do not give us error messages we cannot tell you what is wrong |
| 15:31.31 | jsizzle | greetings, I downloaded a .bashrc file from dotfiles.com and I love all the functions and aliases and everything about the env except the fact that I can't use ctrl-c, I'd like to comment out the line that disables my ctrl-c if I knew which one was doing it. any help any1 can offer is appreciated, thx in adv |
| 15:32.00 | tdn | azeem, I'm not sure what severity I should choose. |
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| 15:32.32 | valdyn | tdn: each severity has a clear description |
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| 15:32.45 | azeem | tdn: maybe 'important' is in order for the time being, but state that it does not work at all for you and it might need upgrading if it is reproduced by others |
| 15:32.54 | nct | Hi. kernel 2.4.27-2-686 in sarge is missing the usblp driver, is it a known issue? |
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| 15:33.07 | nct | I can't find any info on the net. |
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| 15:33.25 | valdyn | !find usblp.ko |
| 15:33.25 | tdn | valdyn, yes. I know, but for "grave" it says: ``makes the package in question unusable by most or all users''... I think this is the case here, but I actually don't know. |
| 15:33.25 | Pei_world | chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Exec format error |
| 15:33.29 | valdyn | !find usblp.o |
| 15:33.40 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'usblp.ko' (3 of 5): (/lib/modules/2.6.15-1-k7/kernel/drivers/usb/class/usblp.ko) in base/linux-image-2.6.15-1-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.15-1-686/kernel/drivers/usb/class/usblp.ko) in base/linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.15-1-486/kernel/drivers/usb/class/usblp.ko) in base/linux-image-2.6.15-1-486. |
| 15:33.40 | Pei_world | without the /bin/su - command |
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| 15:33.44 | tdn | azeem, ok. |
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| 15:34.45 | valdyn | tdn: grave is ok, but you might want to use a lower severity if you are uncertain if its not just your own fault that it does not do what you want |
| 15:35.03 | nct | "<dpkg> Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'usblp.o' returned no results." |
| 15:35.18 | nct | is it possible that kernel 2.4.x does not support usb lp ? |
| 15:35.18 | cisse | sigh my /etc/network/if-up.d/iptables file runs fine when i do ./iptables, but when i restart networking i get run-parts: failed to exec /etc/network/if-up.d/iptables: exec format error |
| 15:35.27 | valdyn | tdn: mind, the bts is not a support forum but many maintainers will still help you even if its your fault.. |
| 15:36.52 | valdyn | Pei_world: that error means that /bin/bash does not exist or is faulty in your chroot |
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| 15:37.25 | satans_nu | is there any way to execute programs in the background? like screen -d -m. i don't want to see the verbose or ge tit attatched to another process |
| 15:37.29 | Pei_world | any suggestion to this? |
| 15:37.42 | satans_nu | give me a name :I |
| 15:37.46 | tdn | valdyn, I went with important. |
| 15:37.48 | valdyn | Pei_world: check the obvious... |
| 15:37.55 | valdyn | Pei_world: and tell us |
| 15:38.06 | cisse | satans_ny: you can control Z and then 'bg' it or use 'nohup' |
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| 15:38.24 | makinux | hi |
| 15:38.28 | Pei_world | what do you mean by obvious?? update? or log? |
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| 15:38.41 | nct | it really looks like usblp.o just disappeared from debian, as there is people reporting it in... |
| 15:39.10 | PerfDave | satans_nu: nohup |
| 15:39.17 | valdyn | satans_nu: bg wont detach it from that shell, if you close the shell even bg processes will die, with nohup you can close that shell and monitor the program by reading nohup.out |
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| 15:39.18 | abrotman | usblp.ko ? |
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| 15:40.20 | nct | abrotman: well, I'm using a 2.4.x kernel, so that's usblp.o instead of usblp.ko, but yes, this driver. |
| 15:40.29 | valdyn | Pei_world: does /bin/bash exist in the chroot? is that file executable? |
| 15:40.36 | abrotman | nct: did you compile it yourself? |
| 15:40.43 | abrotman | nct: and which kernel? |
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| 15:41.18 | nct | abrotman: no I installed standard latest 2.4 kernel on sarge |
| 15:41.23 | nct | 2.4.27-2-686 |
| 15:41.36 | abrotman | should be there |
| 15:41.38 | nct | very normal install |
| 15:41.45 | shadow98 | mysql start |
| 15:41.45 | shadow98 | ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) |
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| 15:42.19 | nct | I know, but it is not. And if you search on debian archive it is not there either. And there is no doc anywhere, everyone just act as if it was there, but it has disappeared... :-( |
| 15:42.22 | shadow98 | for some reason it cant creat the myqld.sock file |
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| 15:43.17 | nct | I could install 2.6 but upgrading the whole thing for a missing driver is not clean |
| 15:43.41 | valdyn | nct: i dont think it ever existed, who claims it does? |
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| 15:44.12 | mrunix | hi everyone |
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| 15:44.36 | Pei_world | yes /bin/bash and su both there, and excutable |
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| 15:44.58 | nct | valdyn, you are right, even people talking about usblp.o are talking about 2.6 kernels, they are just mistaking the extension |
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| 15:45.10 | nct | so you say it never existed for 2.4 ? |
| 15:45.32 | stew | nct: usblp is usb printer? |
| 15:45.34 | valdyn | nct: 2.4 supports usb printers, just not via the usblp module |
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| 15:45.38 | apfel | After upgrading a lot of applications (emacs, xpdf, ...) have a black background now. Any ideas on how to get back the white one? |
| 15:45.59 | nct | but this thread talks about it, in 2.4.18 : http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2002/09/msg00290.html |
| 15:46.04 | stew | nct: CONFIG_USB_PRINTER=m in the debian 2.4.27 kernels if that is what you are talking about |
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| 15:46.26 | nct | stew: yes, but then, where is the module ? |
| 15:46.34 | mrunix | is there a hydra packege for debian?? |
| 15:46.41 | nct | looks like it is not included in the kernel-image package ? |
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| 15:47.00 | valdyn | nct: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Printing-HOWTO/kernel.html |
| 15:47.22 | MyWay | Hi, i have a ASUS K8V-MX VIAK8M800 754 VGA, how to make the x server find it? |
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| 15:47.36 | valdyn | nct: 2.4 kernels never ever had a module called 'usblp.o' |
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| 15:47.50 | nct | ok ! |
| 15:47.52 | nct | thanks a lot |
| 15:48.10 | Pei_world | I have compiled my own kernel and modules, anyone can tell me what is the next step of put things together with root Filesystem to build one complete linux system? |
| 15:48.36 | valdyn | why do you compile your own kernel? |
| 15:48.36 | centrx | Pei_world, what do you mean? |
| 15:48.38 | MyWay | i do dpkg-reconfigure but don't know wich video use |
| 15:48.53 | MyWay | it's internal in the mother board |
| 15:49.00 | valdyn | MyWay: lspci knows |
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| 15:49.11 | MyWay | valdyn how it works? |
| 15:49.15 | Pei_world | my target device run on compact flash, I need a kernel that support wireless and radio features |
| 15:49.20 | valdyn | MyWay: run 'lspci' |
| 15:49.24 | MyWay | ok |
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| 15:49.33 | MyWay | and it find my internal video? |
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| 15:49.55 | stew | nct: kernel/drivers/usb/printer.o looks promising |
| 15:50.06 | MyWay | hm |
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| 15:50.11 | yos87 | hi |
| 15:50.11 | MyWay | valdyn it's for PCI |
| 15:50.19 | MyWay | my video is integrated in the mother board |
| 15:50.25 | MyWay | not in a pci slot |
| 15:50.29 | Pei_world | it is an embedded device, the reference image i got from manufactorer doesn't compile with encryption and wireless support |
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| 15:50.32 | valdyn | MyWay: doesnt matter |
| 15:50.39 | valdyn | MyWay: why dont you just run lspci |
| 15:50.45 | MyWay | ok i'll try |
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| 15:51.11 | Pei_world | could you give me a hand on it, that is why I need to chroot to work with cross-compiling |
| 15:51.17 | yos87 | I have gnome desktop environment working, and I have enlightenment installed. How to run enlightenment and keep the system starting automaticlly with gnome |
| 15:51.30 | MyWay | another question.. i have a trackball mouse usb, but i use with and adapter ps/2, what do i have to choose when it ask me? device/mice ect.. |
| 15:51.38 | azeem | yos87: are you sure you can run both? |
| 15:51.39 | abrotman | !find usblp.o sarge |
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| 15:51.47 | azeem | yos87: you can run GNOME apps on top of E, though |
| 15:51.51 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'usblp.o' returned no results. |
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| 15:51.58 | valdyn | yos87: use gconf-editor, find the window manager entry, change metacity to enlightenment |
| 15:52.26 | yos87 | azeem: I ask this before, sb say yes. any way I don't want to run both at the same time. stop one and run alternative for example |
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| 15:52.38 | tarzeau | valdyn: 80% of the users can't do that |
| 15:52.46 | valdyn | yos87: if that does not work, run 'killall metacity & englightenment' and once this works 'gnome-session-save' |
| 15:52.51 | tarzeau | 60% can copy paste though, and scroll |
| 15:52.52 | azeem | yos87: run a desktop manager which lets you choose which desktop environment to run on login, then |
| 15:52.56 | valdyn | tarzeau: hah |
| 15:53.01 | tarzeau | valdyn: i swear |
| 15:53.12 | tarzeau | valdyn: i've had my nightmare with gconf too |
| 15:53.29 | lehel | hello |
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| 15:53.38 | lehel | anyone using webmin? |
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| 15:53.41 | Pei_world | can you help? |
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| 15:54.19 | Unetixs | When I installed Debian, the installer automaticaly detected the best video driver for X to use. I do not know what video hardware I have (I'm using onboard on some random Via motherboard I don't have the specs to) so I don't know what driver to use anymore. How do I rerun the thing that detected my video driver? |
| 15:54.48 | valdyn | !drxx Unetixs |
| 15:54.48 | dpkg | Unetixs: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 15:54.51 | valdyn | !setup x |
| 15:54.51 | dpkg | methinks set up x is First, make sure you have either x-window-system or x-window-system-core installed. To set up X in woody or sarge, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86". For etch or sid, use xserver-xorg. Sometimes just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 works. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
| 15:55.16 | yos87 | valdyn: I run gconfig=editor , there is apps desktop schemas system . what do you mean fine the window manager entry? |
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| 15:55.29 | valdyn | yos87: i said 'find' |
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| 15:55.48 | nct | stew : thx, the driver works. Now the printer has some problem but I think that's because the driver is too old, I'll try with new kernel |
| 15:55.49 | Pei_world | can you help me with the building customised linux |
| 15:55.51 | yos87 | valdyn: ok |
| 15:55.56 | Unetixs | apt tell me about xmd5 |
| 15:56.02 | valdyn | yos87: i havent got the slightest idea where that entry is, but i can find it be searching within 30 sec, you can also |
| 15:56.06 | Unetixs | bah |
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| 15:56.39 | GoAuLd | unetixs its no apt its dpkg |
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| 15:56.45 | abrotman | nct: it is in 2.6 |
| 15:56.49 | GoAuLd | lol |
| 15:57.06 | Unetixs | oh |
| 15:57.08 | Estes2 | Pei_world, what you mean by 'customized linux' ? You are in #debian here, not in #lfs.... |
| 15:57.10 | Unetixs | what happened to apt? |
| 15:57.17 | roler | I have two servers... One is a web/mysql server and the other is the mail server... The mail server mostly just sits there idle just receiving mail. The web server's mysql process is using 31% cpu (ps aux average). Now the website seems very responsive, but i'm thinking of putting the web server on the email server box and using mysql remote connections... Would this speed up the website any? Or would the 100base ethernet link slow it down an |
| 15:57.17 | roler | d not really make a difference? |
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| 15:57.49 | GoAuLd | i dont know i'm new in this server |
| 15:58.06 | abrotman | roler: you'd think it should be fine .. |
| 15:58.14 | Unetixs | Valdyn: that didn't help because I don't know what video driver to use. |
| 15:58.23 | Pei_world | I don't know where should I get help from, I have a embedded device, I need to port a linux system onto it, the device runs on CF |
| 15:58.26 | Unetixs | valdyn: how do I rerun what detected the best driver automatically? |
| 15:58.31 | yos87 | "window manager" entry |
| 15:58.35 | valdyn | Unetixs: that was it |
| 15:58.53 | Unetixs | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 doesn't suggest a driver by itself |
| 15:59.00 | GoAuLd | !kiss unetixs |
| 15:59.01 | valdyn | Unetixs: yea it does |
| 15:59.08 | Unetixs | no it doesn't |
| 15:59.12 | Unetixs | it gives a list |
| 15:59.15 | Unetixs | and you pick from the list |
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| 15:59.29 | Pei_world | and now I have my linux kernel compiled with provided patch, and modules as well, however, I don't know how should I handle the root file system |
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| 15:59.35 | roler | ya... |
| 16:00.00 | Unetixs | I'm using Sarge if that matters |
| 16:00.04 | Pei_world | or simply speaking, don't know how to put them together to get a complete linux system |
| 16:00.14 | Unetixs | and iirc it's been this way since Potato |
| 16:00.17 | valdyn | Unetixs: what's your gfx card ( see lspci ), which driver is selected first when you run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 16:00.35 | Pei_world | what is the next step I should do? |
| 16:00.44 | Unetixs | valdyn: the driver that I last used is selected, which is VGA |
| 16:01.21 | Unetixs | valdyn: ah, lspci says it's a SiS |
| 16:01.29 | Unetixs | that's exactly what I was looking for valdyn, thanks a lot |
| 16:01.34 | yos87 | valdyn: Thank you , I change to enlightenment |
| 16:01.45 | yos87 | azeem: how to run desktop manager? |
| 16:01.46 | valdyn | yos87: did it work? |
| 16:01.48 | nct | abrotman : yes, I'm instlaling 2.6.15 backported on sarge now :-) |
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| 16:02.15 | yos87 | valdyn: I just change. nothing happen now |
| 16:02.23 | valdyn | yos87: yea naturally |
| 16:02.27 | azeem | yos87: ugh, I meant display manager, sorry |
| 16:02.32 | valdyn | yos87: i think that thing wont work either way after some reading |
| 16:02.50 | abrotman | nct: why that one? |
| 16:03.15 | valdyn | yos87: try killing metacity and running enlightenment with "killall metacity & enlightenment" or "killall metacity && enlightenment", repeat if none of those 2 work the first time |
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| 16:04.06 | valdyn | yos87: there's no clean way to switch appearantly unless your wm of choice supports --replace ( which you could try too ) |
| 16:04.42 | yos87 | valdyn: it change suddenly |
| 16:04.57 | weedar_ | I want to connect a laptop (win95) to my debian machine via ethernet and use the debian box as a gateway. What do I have to do / read-up on? |
| 16:05.01 | yos87 | valdyn: but it look like themes only |
| 16:05.12 | valdyn | yos87: what do you mean? |
| 16:05.37 | yos87 | valdyn: it's not like the screenshots that I saw on the enlightenment site |
| 16:05.56 | valdyn | yos87: a different theme? thats just the default theme |
| 16:06.35 | valdyn | yos87: maybe you really wanted the new version of enlightenment. I wont help you with that, its alpha software, its not package in debian |
| 16:06.48 | yos87 | valdyn: yes, but a little differant, and there is swich down between gnome and enlightnment |
| 16:06.55 | tobias | part #debian |
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| 16:07.12 | yos87 | valdyn: thank you, |
| 16:07.17 | valdyn | yos87: i dont understand. |
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| 16:08.27 | PerfDave | weedar_: How is the Debian box connected to the Internet? |
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| 16:08.45 | yos87 | valdyn: in enlightenment.org site, there is screenshots. the screen shots show the enlgtmnt differant then now. the current one is downloaded. I did not use db package |
| 16:08.55 | yos87 | it's nice |
| 16:08.57 | yos87 | r |
| 16:09.43 | valdyn | yos87: just learn how to configure it then and use a different theme of your choice |
| 16:09.52 | weedar_ | PerfDave, broadband, connected to a router via wlan |
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| 16:10.58 | PerfDave | weedar_: You've got two options. One is simply to bridge the interfaces on the Debian box, which is easiest. The other is to set up the Debian box as a gateway with NAT. |
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| 16:11.52 | yos87 | valdyn: yes, that what I'm going to do. thank you. Please see the screenshots you might like it |
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| 16:12.35 | yos87 | there is movie also |
| 16:12.55 | weedar_ | PerfDave, would bridging enable the laptop to get access to other computers on the wlan-network? For example I have a Kubuntu machine I'd love to VNC to |
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| 16:13.11 | yos87 | azeem: is display manager a command? |
| 16:13.18 | JeanJean | Can u use webmin from outside local lan ? |
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| 16:13.22 | azeem | no, it's a program, like xdm, gdm or kdm |
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| 16:14.16 | weedar_ | JeanJean, you have to set it up to do so, but yes |
| 16:14.17 | yos87 | azeem: but how to run it? |
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| 16:14.26 | azeem | yos87: I am not sure you need it |
| 16:14.52 | PerfDave | weedar_: Bridging just passes all ethernet frames between the two interfaces, so any ethernet traffic sent out by your laptop will be echoed over wifi by the Debian box and reach the router. This includes DHCP requests and stuff. You could VNC to the ubuntoy machine using either method hwoever. |
| 16:15.23 | JeanJean | weedar_, change this in the configuration file: Allow 0.0.0.0 |
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| 16:15.36 | JeanJean | weedar_, Doesn 't work |
| 16:15.39 | weedar_ | PerfDave, so bridging would basically make the laptop and my debian box the same computer for this argument's sake? |
| 16:15.50 | yos87 | azeem: but teach me it, I might need it one day |
| 16:15.58 | PerfDave | weedar_: No, because they'll have a different MAC address. |
| 16:16.16 | azeem | yos87: I don't have time right now, sorry. apt-cache show gdm, for instance |
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| 16:16.21 | PerfDave | JeanJean: Where do you want to be able to access webmin from? |
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| 16:16.33 | JeanJean | from the internet |
| 16:16.34 | roo9 | hrm, anyone know of a simple multi-threaded file downloader, something that works on the console? something that can download a single file using multiple threads |
| 16:16.39 | yos87 | azeem: sorry for trouble, Thank you for hellp |
| 16:16.59 | PerfDave | JeanJean: You do know htat's a horribly bad idea, right? |
| 16:17.10 | JeanJean | hmm may be |
| 16:17.12 | PerfDave | JeanJean: If you have to use webmin, better to just use SSH portforwarding or something to access it in a marginally more secure manner. |
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| 16:17.50 | JeanJean | PerfDave, can try that |
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| 16:18.42 | weedar_ | PerfDave, do you know of a good place to find information on setting up bridget network for my purpose? |
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| 16:20.58 | PerfDave | weedar_: apt-get install bridge-utils, look in /usr/share/doc/bridge-utils |
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| 16:22.01 | weedar_ | PerfDave, thanks! |
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| 16:24.48 | wdamn | which package contains the lsusb command? |
| 16:24.55 | oliknoli | i just installed debian via netinst and dont it come with x?? |
| 16:25.14 | Kevin` | it comes with X if you ask it to |
| 16:25.20 | oliknoli | hmm... |
| 16:25.30 | Fox | !find lsusb |
| 16:25.40 | PerfDave | wdamn: /msg dpkg search |
| 16:25.40 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'lsusb' (1): (/usr/bin/lsusb, /usr/sbin/lsusb) in utils/usbutils. |
| 16:25.40 | oliknoli | what command should i start x with? |
| 16:25.58 | Kevin` | at the most basic level, X |
| 16:26.06 | PerfDave | oliknoli: startx, or use an X display manager like kdm. |
| 16:26.07 | abrotman | startx ? |
| 16:26.07 | Kevin` | probably not what you want |
| 16:26.15 | abrotman | oliknoli: OH! .. i see |
| 16:26.22 | abrotman | oliknoli: what do you use ? gnome/kde? something else? |
| 16:26.22 | oliknoli | huh? |
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| 16:26.50 | oliknoli | i dont know... i chose webserver when i installed |
| 16:26.59 | PerfDave | oliknoli: To get a good graphical environment up from a minimal install, I use "apt-get install x-window-system-core kdm kdebase" |
| 16:27.02 | abrotman | but you want a desktop . which do you use? |
| 16:27.02 | priscila | oliknoli: you need type "startx" at console |
| 16:27.03 | oliknoli | debian dont it come with x? |
| 16:27.07 | abrotman | PerfDave: ew .. KDE .. that's for losers |
| 16:27.15 | abrotman | priscila: he has no X at all |
| 16:27.16 | Kevin` | eh, kde is big |
| 16:27.16 | PerfDave | oliknoli: That'll give you the KDE desktop and login manager, which is simple to use and powerful. |
| 16:27.21 | surrounder | fvwm <3 |
| 16:27.22 | abrotman | kde sucks! |
| 16:27.28 | abrotman | i'm a bot .. whee! |
| 16:27.30 | PerfDave | abrotman: Fuck you, cakebutt. |
| 16:27.39 | Fox | peace and love :) |
| 16:27.40 | abrotman | PerfDave: i prefer umbrella head .. thank you very much |
| 16:27.41 | tijn | what kind of butt? |
| 16:27.42 | Kevin` | oliknoli most web servers have no need for x |
| 16:27.53 | priscila | i recommend icewm or gnome |
| 16:28.05 | oliknoli | how should i install apache then? |
| 16:28.13 | surrounder | oliknoli: sudo apt-get install apache |
| 16:28.13 | abrotman | oliknoli: is this a workstation or a server? |
| 16:28.13 | PerfDave | oliknoli: If you select the "Desktop Environment" task during installation, it will install X with the full KDE and Gnome loadouts, which takes ages on a netinstall. |
| 16:28.21 | Kevin` | probably apache is already installed |
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| 16:28.25 | surrounder | PerfDave: no it doesn't ;) |
| 16:28.34 | abrotman | surrounder: depends on your connection eh? |
| 16:28.40 | PerfDave | surrounder: *shrug* It did for me. |
| 16:28.42 | Kevin` | takes ages on dialup, I did it :/ |
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| 16:28.46 | surrounder | <- lucky bastard |
| 16:28.47 | PerfDave | It takes ages on DSL too. |
| 16:28.51 | surrounder | 100mbit uni line |
| 16:29.04 | abrotman | oliknoli: will this machine be your workstatoin .. or a dedicated server? |
| 16:29.05 | oliknoli | hmm... how could i check if i have apache? |
| 16:29.12 | PerfDave | oliknoli: dpkg -l apache\* |
| 16:29.20 | j_erny | hello all ... i have a problem importing *.zexp |
| 16:29.21 | appaji | oliknoli: dpkg -l | grep apache |
| 16:29.21 | Kevin` | my dsl is faster then my connection at uni, heh |
| 16:29.28 | surrounder | Kevin`: buuh |
| 16:29.32 | Kevin` | (uni is slow, not me fast) |
| 16:29.45 | PerfDave | surrounder: My old job had a direct 100Mbit connection to a Debian mirror, which was nice ;) |
| 16:29.52 | j_erny | what is: "Error Value: No module named ISO_8859_1_Splitter" |
| 16:29.55 | surrounder | PerfDave: haha ideal :) |
| 16:31.25 | priscila | PerfDave: you have luck, my connection is (and was) a faster dial-up :P |
| 16:31.44 | abrotman | a faster dialup? |
| 16:31.50 | oliknoli | seems i dont have apache installed... what is the easyest way to install apache |
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| 16:31.57 | Kevin` | dialup is all about the same speed |
| 16:32.07 | PerfDave | oliknoli: apt-get install apache, or apt-get install apache2 |
| 16:32.08 | abrotman | oliknoli: what else do you need besides apache? PHP? |
| 16:32.21 | j_erny | hi anbody can help? |
| 16:32.35 | priscila | abrotman: i have been sarcastic :P |
| 16:32.37 | surrounder | j_erny: we can at least try if you explain your problem |
| 16:32.37 | oliknoli | yes php and mysql if its not difficult |
| 16:32.53 | surrounder | dag tijn |
| 16:32.57 | weedar_ | I don't understand why everyone asks for the easiest way to install program X, does this channel have a reputation for suggestiong the hard ways? |
| 16:32.58 | abrotman | oliknoli: apt-get install apache2 libapache2-mod-php4 php4-mysql ... |
| 16:33.02 | surrounder | tijn: verkeerde channel? :) |
| 16:33.05 | Kevin` | mysql was confusing to install on freebsd |
| 16:33.08 | tijn | iam sry :D |
| 16:33.11 | surrounder | :P |
| 16:33.21 | tijn | did a /ame |
| 16:33.23 | tijn | ;) |
| 16:33.25 | Fox | everything on confusing on freebsd |
| 16:33.25 | nct | byem have a nice day |
| 16:33.25 | Fox | :) |
| 16:33.30 | Fox | s/on/is/ |
| 16:33.42 | j_erny | surrounder: I have an error importing *.zexp :: Error Value: No module named ISO_8859_1_Splitter |
| 16:33.43 | PerfDave | Debian's all about easy :) |
| 16:33.58 | j_erny | surrounder: do you have any idea? |
| 16:34.00 | surrounder | j_erny: hmm sorry, I can't help with that |
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| 16:34.30 | Virtual | the "hard" way to install a program would be compiling it I guess for some people. |
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| 16:34.44 | Kevin` | easier then rpms :) |
| 16:34.58 | surrounder | buuh rpms |
| 16:35.02 | weedar_ | hiss hiss! |
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| 16:36.13 | felipec | hi everyone... does apt has a way to get rid of alternative repos? |
| 16:36.21 | oliknoli | how do i start apache after i installed it. how do i make it start every time i start my server?? |
| 16:36.33 | abrotman | oliknoli: it should start automagically |
| 16:36.39 | j_erny | I have an error importing *.zexp :: Error Value: No module named ISO_8859_1_Splitter |
| 16:36.44 | petemc | oliknoli: it should start automatically, and the default is for it to start on boot |
| 16:36.45 | abrotman | we know! |
| 16:36.53 | oliknoli | how do i configure it then? |
| 16:37.02 | j_erny | can anyone help me? |
| 16:37.03 | abrotman | oliknoli: configure it to do what? |
| 16:37.11 | abrotman | j_erny: wtf is a .zexp? |
| 16:37.19 | oliknoli | configure the port? |
| 16:37.27 | abrotman | it's done already for port 80 |
| 16:37.44 | priscila | felipec: edit /etc/sources.list and run apt-get update |
| 16:37.46 | weedar_ | oliknoli, you should really read the documentation on http://httpd.apache.org/ - pick the one for the apache version you've chosen (most likely apache2) |
| 16:37.51 | j_erny | abrotman: one file i want to import |
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| 16:37.56 | abrotman | priscila: felipec: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:38.23 | priscila | abrotman: sorry, i forgot the correct path .. |
| 16:38.24 | MyWay | I'm having problem with my integradet video card, someone can help me? |
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| 16:38.39 | abrotman | j_erny: what kind of file? |
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| 16:38.46 | j_erny | abrotman: zms |
| 16:38.53 | abrotman | j_erny: why don't you paste the whole error somewhere |
| 16:38.54 | abrotman | !paste |
| 16:38.54 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 16:38.57 | MyWay | i choosed VGA, but it only work with 8bit and the screen is very big |
| 16:38.59 | priscila | MyWay: what is your video card? |
| 16:39.08 | felipec | priscila: I'm using yum right now, I was just wondering, so apt automatically go back to the packages in the main repos? |
| 16:39.14 | surrounder | MyWay: i810 or something ? |
| 16:39.17 | j_erny | abrotman: it's a zms product |
| 16:39.18 | MyWay | it's in the mother board Asus |
| 16:39.21 | abrotman | felipec: so it's not debian? |
| 16:39.26 | abrotman | wtf is ZMS? |
| 16:39.32 | MyWay | don't know the name or model.. |
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| 16:39.51 | abrotman | MyWay: lspci | grep -i vga .. what is it ? |
| 16:39.58 | MyWay | it says |
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| 16:40.02 | MyWay | VGA unkown |
| 16:40.05 | MyWay | n* |
| 16:40.06 | felipec | abrotman: no, it's not, but it can't hurt to check how other distros work |
| 16:40.08 | MyWay | ect.. |
| 16:40.10 | abrotman | MyWay: run `update-pciids` ... |
| 16:40.17 | MyWay | ok, and then? |
| 16:40.22 | abrotman | felipec: right .. but your apt/yum may work differently |
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| 16:40.27 | abrotman | MyWay: then check the lspci again |
| 16:40.29 | j_erny | abrotman: Site Error |
| 16:40.29 | j_erny | An error was encountered while publishing this resource. |
| 16:40.29 | j_erny | Error Type: ImportError |
| 16:40.29 | j_erny | Error Value: No module named ISO_8859_1_Splitter |
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| 16:40.35 | surrounder | MyWay: try VGA instead of vga with the grep |
| 16:40.40 | ratita | some speak spanish |
| 16:40.44 | abrotman | surrounder: -i is case-insensitive |
| 16:40.51 | priscila | felipec: if you want know how debian works, look at http://www.debian.org/doc |
| 16:40.53 | surrounder | oh sorry |
| 16:41.00 | felipec | abrotman: right |
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| 16:41.17 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 16:41.18 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "docs", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (i.e. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 16:41.27 | ratita | how I can use the command adduser and add an comentary to un usser |
| 16:41.33 | MyWay | ok and when i know |
| 16:41.35 | MyWay | the model |
| 16:41.40 | MyWay | what i have to do for make it work? |
| 16:41.49 | ratita | y after I see your comentary with the command ls |
| 16:41.51 | abrotman | MyWay: update-pciids && lspci | grep -i vga |
| 16:42.05 | surrounder | MyWay: edit /etc/X11/XF86Config or /etc/X11/xorg.cong |
| 16:42.10 | abrotman | !tell ratita about es |
| 16:42.16 | abrotman | surrounder: NO |
| 16:42.27 | abrotman | god ... if you don't know how to do it .. don't say anything |
| 16:42.40 | priscila | MyWay: first you must know _how_ video card you have ... |
| 16:42.44 | PerfDave | !grounding =~ s/i.e./e.g./ |
| 16:42.45 | dpkg | OK, PerfDave |
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| 16:43.14 | surrounder | abrotman: excuse me? that way works on every distro / BSD I've used, why shouldn't it work |
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| 16:43.33 | fas3r | hi all |
| 16:43.39 | abrotman | surrounder: because first of all .. the file names are wrong .. secondly .. it's not the debian way |
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| 16:43.47 | fas3r | anybody know if dwl-520 + work on debian ? |
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| 16:44.13 | priscila | fas3r: it works in other distro? |
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| 16:44.22 | aliesky | Hello all |
| 16:44.26 | fas3r | priscila, i don't know ... |
| 16:44.31 | abrotman | !wifi |
| 16:44.32 | dpkg | rumour has it, wifi is a silly name for 802.11b wireless networking. |
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| 16:44.34 | abrotman | !wireless |
| 16:44.34 | dpkg | The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux, or try asking #wireless |
| 16:44.35 | surrounder | abrotman: right, and the debian way is the only way? |
| 16:44.44 | Ronin | surrounder: is if you run debian :) |
| 16:44.51 | fas3r | oki thank abrotman |
| 16:44.53 | abrotman | surrounder: do you know what happens if you hand edit that file for XFree86 in sarge? |
| 16:45.07 | mz_work | fas3r: well i did get the dwl-520e working, you had to load the firmware every time but dlink is notorios for switching chipsets so who knows... |
| 16:45.12 | PerfDave | fas3r: Have you tried googling? Do you know what chipset it uses? |
| 16:45.19 | surrounder | abrotman: nope, I run xorg, what happens ? |
| 16:45.29 | abrotman | surrounder: then don't tell people to do that |
| 16:45.29 | beardy | surrounder: It's the best way if you are telling someone who is asking how to do something, if they want to do things any other way, they can figure it out themselves eventually, but usually the Debian way is the best way. |
| 16:45.31 | PerfDave | The Debian way is usually the best way to do things in Debian. That's why it's the Debian way. |
| 16:45.39 | fas3r | PerfDave, o i haven't google just i come back from school with it ... |
| 16:45.44 | fas3r | mz_work, oki |
| 16:45.50 | aliesky | my video card is a Ati Rage Fury Pro 32 MB, but in the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf, in the section "Screen" says "Generic Video Card", How can I set the mine? |
| 16:45.54 | surrounder | beardy: aah ok, true |
| 16:46.01 | surrounder | sorry abrotman and beardy |
| 16:46.02 | PerfDave | fas3r: Probably that's the first thing to do before you come asking on IRC> |
| 16:46.09 | surrounder | will try to understand the debian way more :) |
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| 16:46.22 | fas3r | PerfDave, yes .. ^^ |
| 16:46.24 | PerfDave | !drxx aliesky |
| 16:46.24 | dpkg | aliesky: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 16:46.32 | abrotman | surrounder: there are many things that debian does differently .. i'm not trying to be a dick . but you told him the wrong file name (for XFree) and a potentially very bad way to do it |
| 16:46.51 | fas3r | mz_work, it's possible with version number to know what's the chipset ? or i need to open it ? |
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| 16:47.17 | cahoot | Why does /etc/init.d/module-init-tools test for ksyms and not kallsyms - isn't ksyms obsolete in 2.6 kernels? |
| 16:47.22 | surrounder | abrotman: I understand, I'm used to edit everything by hand since I've used other distros more than debian, that's going to change though |
| 16:47.26 | mz_work | fas3r: well it can be tricky to find the chipset - perhaps look @ dlink website |
| 16:47.36 | mz_work | stupid manuf. |
| 16:47.54 | MyWay | this is ASUS K8V-MX VIAK8M800 754 VGA the mother board |
| 16:47.58 | abrotman | surrounder: dpkg-reconfigure is a very powerful tool .. many things can be configured that way .. and in the case of XFree in sarge .. if you hand edit that conf file .. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 will no longer work |
| 16:48.09 | abrotman | MyWay: did you run update-pciids ? |
| 16:48.13 | surrounder | aaah ok, I see |
| 16:48.18 | MyWay | no i have to reboot for do it |
| 16:48.22 | abrotman | no you don't |
| 16:48.23 | surrounder | dpkg-reconfigure rocks indeed |
| 16:48.27 | abrotman | wait .. are you not in linux? |
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| 16:48.37 | PerfDave | fas3r: You can often find out the chipset revision with lspci or similar |
| 16:48.38 | MyWay | no.. i'm trying to make it working |
| 16:48.43 | MyWay | now i'm in windows |
| 16:48.44 | fernandokts | I would like to make a question about Network Boot... Can anyone help me with this? |
| 16:48.55 | abrotman | MyWay: let me look |
| 16:48.58 | fas3r | oki |
| 16:48.59 | MyWay | ok |
| 16:49.03 | lawnchair | fernandokts, make away |
| 16:49.07 | fas3r | i will come back for plug it ^^ |
| 16:49.17 | aliesky | How can I know the Bus of my video card? |
| 16:49.20 | aliesky | the BUS ID? |
| 16:49.32 | abrotman | leave it blank |
| 16:49.34 | abrotman | and the RAM |
| 16:49.39 | fernandokts | ok. Is there a way to make a network boot but to choose a local partition to boot? |
| 16:50.17 | abrotman | MyWay: and the video card is onboard? |
| 16:50.19 | beardy | fernandokts: Doesn't that make "network boot" pointless? |
| 16:50.20 | weedar_ | Wow, I didn't realize Xfree and X.org were two different things until just now.. |
| 16:50.26 | Ferdy- | apt-get install esg-base |
| 16:50.26 | fernandokts | like putting the menu.lst of grub in the server and the client machines look for it there and choose what local partition to boot? |
| 16:50.27 | MyWay | yes it's in the motherboard |
| 16:50.31 | Ferdy- | errr. oops |
| 16:50.40 | MyWay | but can't find the name or some |
| 16:50.44 | abrotman | MyWay: the asus website doesn't say it is |
| 16:50.53 | beardy | fernandokts: What's the point? |
| 16:50.57 | MyWay | it says "integrated" but not the name :( |
| 16:50.58 | abrotman | MyWay: does your internet work in linux ? |
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| 16:51.07 | weedar_ | Do any big distributions still use Xfree? |
| 16:51.13 | MyWay | yes, but i can't log in x |
| 16:51.13 | abrotman | sarge :) |
| 16:51.14 | PerfDave | weedar_: Debian :) |
| 16:51.17 | fernandokts | that`s because I have a room with 20 PCs. All of them have Windows and Linux |
| 16:51.22 | MyWay | screen is too big because of no video card |
| 16:51.23 | MyWay | :P |
| 16:51.28 | fernandokts | in a school I work |
| 16:51.31 | abrotman | MyWay: that's ok .. reboot .. `apt-get install irssi-text` .. and come back here |
| 16:51.40 | weedar_ | But I thought we're supposed to hate Xfree because of their new license.. |
| 16:51.41 | MyWay | ok |
| 16:51.46 | abrotman | MyWay: it will be much easier to help you if you're in linux |
| 16:51.55 | PerfDave | weedar_: The new licens only applies to XFree86 4.x |
| 16:52.02 | beardy | fernandokts: And you have the system installed on every machine, locally? Why Network boot then? |
| 16:52.08 | aliesky | ? |
| 16:52.09 | abrotman | (because afaict .. his mobo does'nt have onboard video) |
| 16:52.15 | fernandokts | so, some classes are in Windows and some are in linux, and we want the computer to automatically start in Win or Linux |
| 16:52.17 | PerfDave | weedar_: XFree86 and X.org aren't exactly two different things. X.org is directly based on the last Free XFree86 release, and Debian's XFree86 has many features and drivers backported from X.org |
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| 16:52.53 | fernandokts | because if we give the studens the option to choose it turns a mess |
| 16:52.59 | aliesky | dpkg: How can I know the Bus ID of my video card? |
| 16:53.11 | azeem | aliesky: just leave it blank |
| 16:53.21 | PerfDave | aliesky: Leave it blank unless you have multiple cards or are running on non-x86, as abrotman said |
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| 16:53.36 | weedar_ | PerfDave, but I assume Debian at some point has to choose to either start using X.org or using the newer non-free XFree versions? |
| 16:53.39 | beardy | fernandokts: Don't they listen to "Reboot and boot that"? |
| 16:53.57 | Ronin | beardy: students and listen in the same sentence heh |
| 16:54.01 | weedar_ | beardy, am I correct in assuming you've never been a teacher? ;) |
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| 16:54.11 | beardy | fernandokts: Perhaps the authority problem should be solved instead. |
| 16:54.14 | fernandokts | Some teatchers don't have that control of the class |
| 16:54.40 | PerfDave | weedar_: There's no choice there, the XFree86 4 license is not allowed under the DFSG. |
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| 16:54.40 | azeem | weedar_: Debian is using x.org |
| 16:54.45 | fernandokts | so isn't there any how? |
| 16:55.04 | PerfDave | weedar_: The next Debian release will use X.org, it's already available in the "testing" and "unstable" branches (and as an unsupported backport for stable) |
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| 16:55.42 | weedar_ | azeem, PerfDave : Ah I see. I haven't used a GUI on my debian box for over a year (at least) so I haven't really followed the progress that closely =) |
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| 16:55.54 | beardy | fernandokts: I understand, just wanted to get things clear. |
| 16:56.05 | mz_work | so i have a problem w/ hwclock (or at least it seems to be hwclock) in that the hwclock keeps getting reset on boot, and thusly the time is incorrect, don't know how to hunt it down, the time isn't offset by the same amount every boot either - it varies, any ideas at all? |
| 16:56.23 | mz_work | cmos battery is new |
| 16:56.34 | mejo | how can i ensure that files in a directory are always writable by the owner group? |
| 16:56.38 | beardy | weedar_: Correct. I would probably be a bastard of a techer.. |
| 16:56.41 | PerfDave | mejo: chmod g+S the directory |
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| 16:56.57 | capitol | i'm trying to build an initrd image for a kernel, and mkinitrd says that it can't find sd_mod (because its compiled in) is there any way to force initrd to ignore it |
| 16:57.11 | aliesky | thanks, but what can I do for the problems with OpenGL applications? |
| 16:57.13 | shogunx | mz_work you could use ntpdate |
| 16:57.22 | aliesky | run too slow |
| 16:57.27 | mz_work | shogunx: well yes but that isn't really the fix i'm after |
| 16:57.42 | mz_work | would like to find the real problem |
| 16:57.49 | mejo | PerfDave: no, this ensures that the owner group of the dir is also owner group of the files in that dir, correct? |
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| 16:57.50 | beardy | weedar_: I have been a student though, and at some times very tired of school, and probably made some poor teachers tired, but most of the times I was the nice and calm one. :) |
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| 16:58.13 | fernandokts | that's ok, it's because I asked this in a lot of forums and had no answers |
| 16:58.14 | mejo | PerfDave: also, g+S does not exist, only g+s (at least chmod g+S dir/ gives: chmod: invalid mode string: `g+S') |
| 16:59.14 | weedar_ | mejo, try g+w =) I'm sure that was a typo |
| 17:00.03 | mejo | weedar_: g+w is a one-time solution. it doesn't guarantee, that newly created files are group-writeable, does it? |
| 17:00.22 | beardy | fernandokts: It should be possible to do what you want. I've never network booted, but it should be no problem to hand the booting over to a partition on the local machine, after the first part of the boot? Instead of downloading an image and boot that? |
| 17:01.16 | PerfDave | mejo: g+s and umask are the things to do. g+s makes sure that files are owned by the group, umask makes sure that the group can read them. |
| 17:01.17 | fernandokts | beardy: When we use network boot, we put menu.lst and the image in a folder and share this with TFTP. |
| 17:01.37 | weedar_ | Disregard my comment mejo =) |
| 17:02.19 | fernandokts | So, when there is something in menu.lst like (hd0,0) it looks in the disk of the server |
| 17:02.26 | beardy | fernandokts: Have you tried with a menu.lst that boots a local partition? |
| 17:02.32 | beardy | fernandokts: Ah.. |
| 17:02.51 | fernandokts | the TFTP shared folder turns the root of the client |
| 17:03.17 | mejo | PerfDave: so umask 0002 would be correct, wouldn't it? |
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| 17:05.50 | abrotman | what happened to myway? |
| 17:05.57 | nvz | hmm good background all except for the light blue wave in the middle I cant see two lines of my terminal.. heh |
| 17:06.07 | mejo | is it possible to set a umask only for one command? |
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| 17:07.40 | beardy | fernandokts: Is it grub that does the network boot, or does it happen before grub, as in it is handles by the bios? Is grub on every machine, or on the network boot server? |
| 17:07.58 | beardy | s/handles/handled/ |
| 17:08.02 | thingfish | abrotman: you mean myway.com? |
| 17:08.55 | PerfDave | mejo: i=`umask`; umask 0002; touch foo; umask $i |
| 17:09.02 | PerfDave | mejo: Replace "touch foo" with the command you want :) |
| 17:10.26 | dpm | about the cd isos: I've installed sarge with the minimal bootable cd image and I've downloaded the rest of the packages I needed over the net. Now I'd like to get an iso for another machine whithout internet. If I download the first full CD iso, is that bootable? Can I install sarge with that or is it just a collection of extra packages? |
| 17:10.31 | abrotman | thingfish: nah .. |
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| 17:10.58 | beardy | dpm: Yes, it's bootable. |
| 17:11.01 | PerfDave | dpm: The first full CD is bootable. |
| 17:11.10 | thingfish | abrotman: ok, just wondering. I use that site as my home page, and it had been working fine for me earlier. |
| 17:11.15 | abrotman | oh |
| 17:11.26 | PerfDave | dpm: If you use jigdo / jigit to obtain the iso, you can use the existing packages you've downloaded for the netinstall CD to build the ISO :) |
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| 17:11.47 | dpm | beardy, PerfDave: and does it do the installation as well? |
| 17:11.50 | fernandokts | beardy: Actually the boot can be made by network before grub (in a ROM that we have in a floppy or eth), or grub may have an argument that redirects the choose of an image to a TFTP server... |
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| 17:11.58 | beardy | dpm: Of course. |
| 17:11.58 | thingfish | dpm: you might want to get the first two CDs - it'll cover most everything you want, for a start at least. |
| 17:12.11 | dpm | ok, thanks a lot all |
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| 17:12.52 | PerfDave | I don't think I've needed more than the first three, and the third is only for Psi ;) |
| 17:12.57 | PerfDave | But now I just use DVDs |
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| 17:14.28 | beardy | dpm: If you really want every package to be available to you on machines without net connection, the two DVD:s is easier to handle than 15 CD:s. If the machines have DVD drives and can boot them. |
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| 17:14.46 | J_P | hey, debian with kernel 2.6.x write in filesystem NTFS ? |
| 17:14.58 | beardy | J_P: No, nothing can, safely. |
| 17:15.16 | J_P | beardy: have anyone kernel version where write in NTFS filesystem ? |
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| 17:15.25 | PerfDave | J_P: Not using the Debian-provided kernel. Native Linux write support for NTFS is (a) very limited (overwriting files without changing their size) and (b) very unsafe. |
| 17:15.32 | PerfDave | J_P: Just don't use NTFS :) |
| 17:16.02 | J_P | PerfDave: is becouse i have all data in my linux, and i reinstall windows and i like copy agaim file do windows... |
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| 17:16.15 | PerfDave | J_P: So use FAT32 for Windows :) |
| 17:16.23 | PerfDave | J_P: Or just don't use Windows ;) |
| 17:16.28 | J_P | PerfDave: yes |
| 17:16.38 | PerfDave | J_P: There are ext2/3 drivers for Windows, but I'm not sure how useful they are. |
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| 17:16.54 | Fox | J_P: might want to give a try to Captive ntfs but use at your own risks :) |
| 17:16.56 | abrotman | !explore2f |
| 17:16.57 | abrotman | !explore2fs |
| 17:16.57 | dpkg | [explore2fs] a win32 utility that lets you read and write(at your own risk!) ext2 file systems under win9x/nt/2000. URL: http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/ [Ask me about ext2ifs] |
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| 17:17.21 | Fox | PerfDave: they are as usefull as linux ntfs support |
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| 17:17.31 | J_P | ahh ok |
| 17:17.35 | fernandokts | Thanks for the help ! |
| 17:17.39 | thingfish | wow I didn't know explore2fs supported writes. |
| 17:17.43 | fernandokts | I'm going to work now |
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| 17:17.55 | whitefunk | hello all - i have 15 new servers that are all the same hardware and want to isntall debian on them. what is the standard for loading an image? ive never had to do it befo |
| 17:18.08 | fernandokts | bye |
| 17:18.14 | locus | hmm..apt-proxy always causes apt-get to wait for headers (even if I disable pipelining like it was suggested on the lists). Anyone experienced the same problem? |
| 17:18.16 | thingfish | not that I'll even need to write to linux from windows. |
| 17:18.27 | whitefunk | ive seen systemimager, but dont know if its recommended |
| 17:18.29 | thingfish | s/even/ever |
| 17:18.38 | azeem | whitefunk: might want to look at FAI |
| 17:18.40 | azeem | !fai |
| 17:18.41 | dpkg | i heard fai is Fully Automatic Installation for debian at http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ or at #fai |
| 17:19.28 | weedar_ | If explore2fs supports writes it's way more useful than linux ntfs support |
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| 17:19.47 | Kyral | weedar_: Don't do it |
| 17:19.58 | Kyral | one of my friends completely owned his partition with it |
| 17:20.01 | Fox | supports write (at your own risks) means what it means |
| 17:20.19 | weedar_ | Oh I don't need to. I learned my lessing trying to write to an ntfs partition from linux |
| 17:20.25 | Kyral | He was digging stuff outta the lost+found folder for a week |
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| 17:20.56 | idefx | Hi, what's the problem with X today ? |
| 17:21.39 | PerfDave | idefx: The problem with X today is that it just doens't respect its parents like it used to. |
| 17:22.15 | zOap | argh |
| 17:22.16 | idefx | Okay, so, i know the problem. Wha't the solution though ?? ;) |
| 17:22.23 | PerfDave | idefx: National service! |
| 17:22.23 | thingfish | hmm, it looks like the latest version does sort of support writing, with a little workaround. |
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| 17:22.31 | lehel | hello |
| 17:22.37 | weedar_ | PerfDave, I blame TV |
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| 17:22.56 | idefx | PerfDave: I'm french, there's no natnionale service here ;) |
| 17:23.02 | PerfDave | whitefunk: also see cfengine |
| 17:23.15 | PerfDave | idefx: Well there you go, no wonder your X is problematic. |
| 17:23.23 | lehel | need some help on firefox.. can't succeed installing the java plugin |
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| 17:23.46 | thingfish | lehel: /msg dpkg java-package |
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| 17:24.07 | pessimist | hi |
| 17:24.30 | Fox | idefx: there's no national service *anymore* you should say, you lucky young boy :/ |
| 17:24.46 | pessimist | i have a problem with ddclient. Does somebody want to help me? |
| 17:24.50 | idefx | ;) |
| 17:24.55 | thingfish | national service...is that like the peace corps? |
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| 17:24.59 | idefx | This doesn't solve my problem |
| 17:25.04 | qalim | hello |
| 17:25.08 | idefx | Any solution? |
| 17:25.18 | aliesky | hello again |
| 17:25.20 | Fox | thingfish: it's like you had to go for the army during 10 or 12 months |
| 17:25.21 | aliesky | so |
| 17:25.23 | pessimist | even dunno your problem |
| 17:25.31 | thingfish | ah, thanks Fox. |
| 17:25.38 | PerfDave | idefx: If you don't tell us what bloody problem you're having, and which bloody version of Debian you're running, how the hell are we supposed to be able to help you instead of giving you answers as silly as your question? |
| 17:26.00 | PerfDave | pessimist: Why don't you tell us what your problem with ddchient is? |
| 17:26.10 | aliesky | the OpenGL applications run slow, what can I do? |
| 17:26.17 | pessimist | what should i write into the box, when debconf asks me for the interface... (tryin to configure ddclient) |
| 17:26.23 | lehel | thingfish: not much there ;\ |
| 17:26.25 | Gnea | !tell idefx -about ask |
| 17:26.26 | weedar_ | aliesky, have you isntalled the correct drivers for your video card? |
| 17:26.41 | aliesky | i don't know |
| 17:26.54 | PerfDave | aliesky: You need to install the 3D accelerated ATI driver, fglrx. This is a World Of Pain. |
| 17:26.56 | aliesky | ym Video Card is a Ati Rage Fury Pro 32 MB |
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| 17:27.04 | PerfDave | aliesky: /msg dpkg ati |
| 17:27.06 | qalim | I am tryng to use debian sarge on 4 cpu machine ( opteron ) for an application server |
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| 17:27.17 | PerfDave | qalim: 32-bit or 64-bit? |
| 17:27.27 | thingfish | lehel: not much there? Just the instructions on how to accomplish getting java installed. |
| 17:27.28 | qalim | if I want to maximize the use of my cpu, shall I allocate them in different xen servers |
| 17:27.34 | idefx | PerfDave: Ok, the problem is that i don't have startx anymore since i dist-uprgade today. It is an unstable debian |
| 17:27.38 | curt | lehel, it's pretty straight forward, dod you add the symlink for the .so in your plugins folder? |
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| 17:27.40 | pessimist | aliesky: With your card it's normal, that 3d openGL applications run slow |
| 17:27.42 | PerfDave | idefx: Have you checked the BTS? |
| 17:27.44 | qalim | or is it better to all leave in a big CPU configuration ? |
| 17:27.52 | qalim | PerfDave, 64 bit |
| 17:27.52 | Gnea | qalim: wll get an SMP capable kernel going first |
| 17:28.03 | aliesky | why? |
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| 17:28.04 | PerfDave | qalim: You're running Debian inside Xen? |
| 17:28.07 | Gnea | qalim: #xen |
| 17:28.28 | qalim | PerfDave, I'm planning to |
| 17:28.36 | qalim | ok i'll go there |
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| 17:28.42 | aliesky | pessimist: my video card is a shit? |
| 17:28.57 | idefx | PerfDave: No, in fact, the problem is that my dist-upgrade has delete startx, this isn't a bug, i suppose, this may be a problem with debian's distribution |
| 17:29.00 | close_to_debain | i get this error with apt Failed to fetch http://xxxx forbidden |
| 17:29.01 | curt | idefx change your sources.list to stable |
| 17:29.04 | close_to_debain | whay is it so? |
| 17:29.09 | lehel | curt: i'd tried, if the plugin is activating firefox exits |
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| 17:29.23 | idefx | curt: i'm sure i will lost lots of programms |
| 17:29.25 | Fox | idefx: has xbase-clients been removed during dist-upgrade ? |
| 17:29.38 | Gnea | close_to_debain: http://xxxx is an invalid url. |
| 17:29.53 | Gnea | close_to_debain: apt-get update |
| 17:29.57 | curt | idefx, unstable is not for you. |
| 17:30.01 | idefx | fox: strange, i still have xbase-clients |
| 17:30.06 | Fox | ôO |
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| 17:30.31 | curt | lehel, just double check and make sure the right one is symlinked, there are a couple. |
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| 17:30.37 | Gnea | idefx: no, the problem is with you, you probably didn't upgrade right |
| 17:30.40 | pessimist | heheheeeeej, you didn't help me :( . What should i say to ddclients configuration-tool when it asks me for the interface? |
| 17:30.59 | bowman | Hi, I'm searching for the php5 mcrypt module which is obviously not available from official debian repositories (why?) - anyone know where I can get it? |
| 17:31.00 | idefx | curt: don't worry for me, i'm a debian old-timer, the only pb is that it's been 8 month since i didn't follow debian's activity, so i'm quite lost ;) |
| 17:31.26 | gerz337 | hi. what's up?. i have a question?, i've mounted /home in a vfat partition. If declared it in /etc/fstab as rw,exec,user. why now the linux auto-mounted it as rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev. Now i can't run kde because i haven't write access to /home as a normal user. how can i do so that my /home works as i want. |
| 17:31.28 | curt | idefx, obviously |
| 17:31.29 | lehel | curt: u know exactly the right .so to be symlinked? |
| 17:31.46 | Gnea | !tell bowman -about googleit |
| 17:31.51 | Fox | bowman: tried backports.org or dotdeb.org ? |
| 17:31.55 | curt | lehel, I could go look it up, but there are only two choices, pick the other one. |
| 17:31.58 | idefx | Gnea: apt-get dist-uprgrade or apt-get -f install doesn't show any pb |
| 17:31.58 | valdyn | !vfatrw |
| 17:31.58 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS, if you replace "vfat" with "ntfs" (although you can't currently easily _write_ to NTFS with Linux).. |
| 17:32.12 | bowman | bah, google... Fox: no, I only knew apt-get.org so far :) |
| 17:32.25 | curt | lehel, it's not the which .so it is which directory i believe |
| 17:32.29 | resiak | gerz337: /home on a non-unix filesystem is a really bad idea |
| 17:32.33 | valdyn | gerz337: /home on vfat is a bad idea |
| 17:32.38 | Fox | bowman: then have a look at these websites |
| 17:32.39 | gerz337 | dpkg: thanks a lot!!! |
| 17:32.39 | dpkg | gerz337: my pleasure |
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| 17:33.01 | lehel | curt: good point, need to check, thanks anyway |
| 17:33.02 | bowman | by the way Gnea my question was 2-parted: why is there no php5-mcrypt package in the official reps ;) Fox: thanks for the hints, I'll check them. |
| 17:33.02 | pessimist | I'm sure, ddclient doesn't what to hear "eth0" as interface... |
| 17:33.06 | Gnea | idefx: right. apt-get update && aptitude upgrae && aptitude dist-upgrade would be today's correct procedure. maybe it skipped out the xbase-clients package for some reason - it's unstable for a reason, after all |
| 17:33.19 | pessimist | *want |
| 17:33.25 | Gnea | bowman: i don't know why, so i didn't say anything about it. |
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| 17:34.00 | Gnea | pessimist: you tried it? |
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| 17:34.03 | bowman | Gnea: kk. no offense intended ;) |
| 17:34.11 | idefx | Gnea: i just dpkged xbase-clients, looks a bit better ;) |
| 17:34.12 | curt | dpkg: whjo are you |
| 17:34.12 | dpkg | okay, curt |
| 17:34.17 | curt | dpkg: who are you |
| 17:34.17 | dpkg | I'm a chimp! |
| 17:34.19 | Gnea | :) |
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| 17:34.23 | Gnea | LMAO |
| 17:34.24 | azeem | curt: please do not abuse the bto |
| 17:34.28 | azeem | bot, rather |
| 17:34.31 | beardy | !what are you |
| 17:34.31 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
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| 17:34.38 | unstable | I have my debian toshiba laptop plugged into a projector...and it doesn't work...do I need to do something with xorg to get it to show(I have an ati mobility 7000) |
| 17:34.40 | curt | beardy that's it |
| 17:34.49 | unstable | When other people plugin their laptops it works on the projector via svga |
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| 17:34.56 | curt | azeem i don't abuse |
| 17:35.00 | bowman | unstable: maybe switch to the external vga output? |
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| 17:35.11 | azeem | curt: /msg the bot |
| 17:35.21 | Gnea | unstable: you probably need to tell X about the svga port |
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| 17:35.34 | Thanatermesis | where is dpkg ? :''( |
| 17:35.42 | simonrvn | dpkg: test |
| 17:35.42 | dpkg | Sorry, simonrvn, I didn't get your test. |
| 17:35.45 | Gnea | !helixsmite Thanatermesis |
| 17:35.48 | curt | azeem i just meant to say what beardy said, |
| 17:35.53 | simonrvn | it's there |
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| 17:35.54 | unstable | Gnea: how do I do that? |
| 17:35.57 | unstable | bowman: how do I do that? |
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| 17:36.12 | Thanatermesis | uh! |
| 17:36.14 | bowman | unstable: dunno, my laptop (acer) has a special function key to switch lcd/vga/both |
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| 17:36.29 | Thanatermesis | dont reply me the private conversation... dpkg don't loves me more :( |
| 17:36.31 | Gnea | unstable: i'm sure one of the toshiba laptop howtos explains it |
| 17:36.32 | Gnea | !laptop |
| 17:36.32 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org , and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 17:36.35 | Thanatermesis | !dpkg gpg 2006 |
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| 17:36.40 | Thanatermesis | !gpg 2006 |
| 17:36.43 | Eulex | unstable, also, it often depends on the video driver used |
| 17:36.46 | Eulex | !2006 key |
| 17:36.46 | dpkg | [2006 key] apt 0.6.43.1 ( now in unstable and testing) includes the 2006 package key. You can also install the key as follow, explicitly trusting this message with no verification: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
| 17:36.50 | Thanatermesis | thx |
| 17:36.58 | unstable | Eulex: I'm using the default ati driver with xorg |
| 17:36.59 | Eulex | Thanatermesis, next time, /msg the bot |
| 17:37.20 | Eulex | unstable, might help to switch to the binary proprietary fglrx driver |
| 17:38.25 | unstable | Eulex: But people in #xorg say that woudl be a waste, because my card is so old. |
| 17:38.47 | unstable | Eulex: anything under 9150 doesn't need fglrx I thought |
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| 17:39.00 | Gnea | unstable: is this #xorg? |
| 17:39.01 | Eulex | unstable, maybe. |
| 17:39.11 | chance2105 | In trying to setup my DSL (PPPoE connection, dynamic IP) I've run pppoeconf and filled out the appropriate fields. When I run "/etc/init.d/networking start", the connection comes up, but I get an error: "Don't seem to have all the variables for dsl/inet. Failed to bring up dsl-provider". Is this fixable, or should I just ignore the error? |
| 17:39.13 | idefx | re |
| 17:39.25 | unstable | !9150 |
| 17:39.25 | dpkg | well, 9150 is if your ati card model is lower then this number then there is no point in installing non-free proprietary drivers(fglrx). It is a waste of everyone's time(especially the poor people trying to help you in here). Just use xorg, and the "ati" driver that is provided with xorg and 3d acceleration should work fine; see also <xorg howto> |
| 17:39.44 | Eulex | unstable, you missed one detail. anything under 9150 doesn't need fglrx *to get 3d acceleration*. this has nothing to do with what your trying to achieve. |
| 17:39.48 | idefx | the problem i have is that xserver-xorg can't be installed (unsatisfied dependecy) |
| 17:39.57 | chance2105 | I'm in this room through the connection now, so it's working. However my Shorewall setup fails with it -- it seems the connection isn't routed through ppp0 but the eth device it's connected to (?) |
| 17:40.02 | Eulex | !room |
| 17:40.02 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 17:40.02 | close_to_debain | i get this error with apt Failed to fetch http://xxxx forbidden |
| 17:40.06 | close_to_debain | whay is it so? |
| 17:40.18 | Eulex | close_to_debain, when? |
| 17:40.32 | Gnea | close_to_debain: you've already been told why. |
| 17:40.52 | aeronadix | close_to_debain, do base-config |
| 17:41.18 | Eulex | aeronadix, why would he need to go through the full base-config just for this? |
| 17:41.28 | Gnea | apt-setup should take care of it |
| 17:41.34 | Eulex | yes it should. |
| 17:41.42 | Gnea | hell, even an apt-get update |
| 17:41.43 | aeronadix | Eulex, you wouldn't |
| 17:41.56 | aeronadix | its easy |
| 17:42.02 | quiet | i just noticed my /etc/resolv.conf is blank for some reason... is there a 'debian wa' to do that, or just add ther info by hand? |
| 17:42.22 | PerfDave | quiet: You can use resolvconf to add into from /etc/network/interfaces to /etc/resolv.conf automatically |
| 17:43.12 | aeronadix | close_to_debain, explain yourself |
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| 17:44.11 | quiet | PerfDave, i don't have anything called 'resolvconf' |
| 17:44.27 | quiet | add it, or is it supposed ot be part of base? |
| 17:44.41 | quiet | well...obviously i can't add it.. heh. |
| 17:45.12 | PerfDave | quiet: Add the info by hand for now, then install the resolvconf package. |
| 17:45.29 | Fox | close_to_debain: do you speak english ? |
| 17:45.29 | aeronadix | what about just doing dhclient? |
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| 17:46.04 | quiet | aeronadix, ihave static |
| 17:46.14 | aeronadix | quiet, wierd |
| 17:46.36 | quiet | i think sendmail did it when i was messing with that. |
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| 17:47.18 | yos87_2 | I was Installing enlightenment , after I finish I lost the gnome window border, so I cannot control any window |
| 17:48.17 | aeronadix | yos87_2, why don't you kill X and start enlightenment now? |
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| 17:49.15 | yos87_2 | aeronadix: I though the problem from enlightenemt , so I remove it |
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| 17:49.29 | yos87_2 | aeronadix: I wanted to try it , But I fail |
| 17:49.45 | yos87_2 | aeronadix: at least I want to recover gnome back |
| 17:50.02 | aeronadix | yos87_2, I use gnome |
| 17:50.13 | aeronadix | yos87_2, maybe just remove and reinstall it |
| 17:50.41 | aeronadix | yos87_2, try to restart it first though hehe |
| 17:50.57 | twobitsprite | what packages do I need for nfs? portmap and nfs-common? |
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| 17:51.16 | yos87_2 | aeronadix: I did this |
| 17:51.28 | yos87_2 | aeronadix: I did also apt-get remove gnome, and I install again |
| 17:51.50 | JKnife | make-kpkg configures the kernel for me? |
| 17:51.50 | aeronadix | yos87_2, oh so must be that an option is set to no task bar |
| 17:51.51 | yos87_2 | aeronadix: I reconfigure xfree86 also |
| 17:52.36 | yos87_2 | do you mean I themes? the border bar tap Is lost from the themes also |
| 17:52.39 | Faust | Hello! Does anyone know whether swsuspend (from vanilla kernel, not swsuspend2) works when my swap partition is on a device mapper? |
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| 17:53.52 | unstable | How do I install xlibs-dev now that X has been modularized? |
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| 17:54.33 | aeronadix | yos87_2, take at look at the .gnome directory |
| 17:54.44 | Eulex | yos87_2, sounds like the window manager has died. try starting metacity inside X. |
| 17:55.52 | twobitsprite | when I try to mount an NFS share, I get an error "mount: RPC: program not registered" |
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| 17:56.51 | yos87_2 | aeronadix: I take look there is one file , gnome kiss and tow or three folders |
| 17:57.22 | unstable | Anyone have good guide for installing fglrx on debian testing? the guide from /msg dpkg ati is old and the website says not to use it |
| 17:57.32 | aeronadix | yos87_2, can you start metacity? |
| 17:57.40 | yos87_2 | Eulex: it work |
| 17:57.50 | Eulex | yos87_2, ok |
| 17:57.55 | yos87_2 | aeronadix: I just type metacityu |
| 17:58.03 | yos87_2 | Eulex: what that was? |
| 17:58.07 | aeronadix | yeah |
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| 17:58.49 | Eulex | yos87_2, a window manager is the program that among other things draws borders around your windows. metacity is the gnome window manager. |
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| 17:59.49 | twobitsprite | better yet, does anyone know of a better way to mount a remote filesystem that's possibly more secure? |
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| 18:01.18 | nvz | twobitsprite: samba is probably more secure than nfs but its all really a matter of how you implement it |
| 18:01.23 | bowman | twobitsprite: is the share reachable, or is it maybe blocked by a firewall? do you really need to use nfs outside your LAN? |
| 18:01.40 | yos87 | Eulex: sorry, the keybord hungup , so I go out , you may be said something I did't got it |
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| 18:01.53 | yos87 | Eulex: thank you anyway, |
| 18:01.53 | JKnife | ok |
| 18:01.57 | Eulex | <Eulex> yos87_2, a window manager is the program that among other things draws borders around your windows. metacity is the gnome window manager. |
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| 18:02.09 | Thanatermesis | what is the actual "x-libs" for developement ? |
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| 18:02.19 | nvz | !info xlibs-dev |
| 18:02.25 | JKnife | how do i get it so it allows big letters in the ext. version with make-kpkg |
| 18:02.26 | rebus | !info nvidia |
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| 18:02.49 | nvz | !info xlibs-dev sarge |
| 18:02.57 | dpkg | xlibs-dev: (X Window System client library development files dummy package), section oldlibs, is extra. Version: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 154 kB, Installed size: 240 kB |
| 18:02.59 | aeronadix | yos87, what exactly is happenning, gnome starts, but there is no task bar or anything, just the desktop? Can you right click? |
| 18:03.15 | priscila | Eulex: you may use other wm instead metacity just editing a key in gconf |
| 18:03.19 | Thanatermesis | !info xlibs-dev etch |
| 18:03.29 | Thanatermesis | <dpkg> Package 'xlibs-dev' does not exist. |
| 18:03.30 | Thanatermesis | uh |
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| 18:03.42 | Eulex | priscila, yes, of course |
| 18:03.46 | twobitsprite | bowman: well... I'm connecting to localhost because I'm tunneling through ssh |
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| 18:03.53 | nvz | Thanatermesis: sarge and sid have xorg |
| 18:04.01 | nvz | Thanatermesis: er etch and sid |
| 18:04.03 | ozrg | at the start of the installation it says 'search for usb hdd devices..' and stop's there, does anyone know why? |
| 18:04.05 | twobitsprite | bowman: and I have no iptables filters against localhost |
| 18:04.07 | nvz | Sarge has xfree |
| 18:04.09 | bowman | twobitsprite: oh, SSH tunneling... has never really worked for me :-) |
| 18:04.12 | Thanatermesis | nvz yes, and what uses xorg then ? |
| 18:04.26 | thingfish | and you can get xorg from backports.org - but on my system at least, it wants to remove gnome. |
| 18:04.31 | nvz | Thanatermesis: no clue I've never seen xorg before |
| 18:04.34 | twobitsprite | bowman: well... I'm not tunneling it yet, I'm just trying it from localhost for now... |
| 18:04.41 | curt | when was the DPL debate and where? |
| 18:04.46 | abrotman | MyWay: are oyu in linux now? |
| 18:04.55 | twobitsprite | bowman: exportfs doesn't complain at all, it's when I try to mount it that it complains... |
| 18:05.01 | nvz | gravity isnt here either.. dont know who to ask xorg questions of |
| 18:05.15 | JKnife | nvz, so you've never seen Xorg Composite support? |
| 18:05.20 | ozrg | at the start of the installation it says 'search for usb hdd devices..' and stop's there, does anyone know why? |
| 18:05.20 | bowman | twobitsprite: I've seen that problem with NFS, but only when the exporting server was not running |
| 18:05.41 | nvz | JKnife: I've never seen xorg in any form. I've used Xfree86 for the past 6 years |
| 18:05.49 | twobitsprite | bowman: I'm in a fresh testing install... there isn't anything else I need to set up other than /etc/exports? |
| 18:05.51 | JKnife | wow.. ok |
| 18:06.02 | bowman | twobitsprite: afaik not |
| 18:06.05 | twobitsprite | bowman: I feel like maybe the RPC server isn't running, but I haven't messed with any of that... |
| 18:06.10 | rebus | how to install nvidia into xorg? |
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| 18:06.31 | thingfish | !tell rebus about nvidia one-liner |
| 18:06.40 | mz_work | Thanatermesis: maybe this is what you need |
| 18:06.42 | mz_work | apt-cache showpkg xlibs-static-dev |
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| 18:06.52 | JKnife | nvz, http://www.gentoo-portage.com/up_img/thumb/245.png |
| 18:06.56 | bowman | twobitsprite: do you use kernel-level nfs? |
| 18:07.02 | JKnife | wait |
| 18:07.03 | JKnife | http://www.gentoo-portage.com/up_img/245.png |
| 18:07.10 | yos87 | aeronadix: I install enlightenment , and then I reques a help on this channel, someone tell me do : killall metacity & enlightenment and he say run gconf-editor and I change something also, I did that , something change , but I didn't get the enlightenment, I restart to start the gnome , I found everything the same , you cannot move or control and open window , and there is no X in the corner and other utillity |
| 18:07.10 | Thanatermesis | static ? mmmh, i don't think :/ |
| 18:07.27 | twobitsprite | bowman: I don't know... |
| 18:07.37 | thingfish | wow, I wonder how someone gets in that much of a mess. |
| 18:07.42 | twobitsprite | bowman: whatever is default in testing |
| 18:07.52 | bowman | twobitsprite: well, you will either have nfs-kernel-server or nfs-user-server installed ;) |
| 18:07.53 | JKnife | yos87, E16? |
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| 18:07.59 | rebus | thingfish, i have already done that, but when i used XF86 it worked, now i find a fantastic "impossibile to start X" |
| 18:08.01 | ozrg | is it possible to drag the debian files into one of my partitions and it works without taking the installation steps? |
| 18:08.04 | twobitsprite | bowman: I have nfs-kernal-server |
| 18:08.26 | bowman | twobitsprite: kk, can you validate it's running? |
| 18:08.28 | thingfish | rebus: and that's after doing dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? |
| 18:08.36 | aeronadix | yos87, I never used gconf-editor |
| 18:08.37 | twobitsprite | bowman: what should I look for in ps? |
| 18:08.39 | rebus | thingfish, yes |
| 18:08.41 | jvw | curt: on debian-vote mailinglist |
| 18:08.58 | jazbo | Hey folks. When I try to ssh from a windows machine onto my Sarge machine I get an error "No further authentication methods available." I have no problems when sshing from another sarge box and I also have no problems sshing from the windows machine to a Sun box. Any suggestions? |
| 18:08.59 | twobitsprite | bowman: ps ax | grep rpc # shows nothing |
| 18:09.01 | rebus | thingfish, i uncheck DRI like written |
| 18:09.02 | thingfish | rebus: did m-a build the module? |
| 18:09.07 | bowman | twobitsprite: no idea, but you might try to connect to the nfs port manually, say with telnet or something else |
| 18:09.09 | thingfish | and GLCore |
| 18:09.19 | bowman | twobitsprite: 2049 |
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| 18:09.35 | yos87 | aeronadix: it doen't help me much, and I don't know what is it |
| 18:09.36 | rebus | thingfish, GLCore in xorg there isn't |
| 18:09.37 | mz_work | ozrg: what are you trying to install? |
| 18:09.51 | xoz_ | jazbo: ssh -v |
| 18:09.54 | rebus | thingfish, and i can't uncheck it |
| 18:10.01 | thingfish | rebus: thought that option was still in there, back when I tried xorg from etch. |
| 18:10.03 | ozrg | debian. |
| 18:10.29 | jazbo | xoz_, OpenSSH_3.8.1p1 Debian-8.sarge.4, OpenSSL 0.9.7e 25 Oct 2004 |
| 18:10.35 | Eulex | ozrg, what debian files? and what file system does the partition have? |
| 18:10.40 | rebus | thingfish, i don't understand. |
| 18:10.45 | thingfish | rebus: who knows - I don't run anything from etch anymore - there could be many issues going on. |
| 18:10.56 | aeronadix | yos87, I don't really understand what state you are in. Kill X, and type startx -e gnome |
| 18:10.57 | twobitsprite | bowman: 111 (rpcbind) is open according to nmap, but "nc localhost 2049" gives me a connection refuse |
| 18:11.01 | thingfish | rebus: you're using etch, right? Or sid? |
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| 18:11.13 | rebus | thingfish, etch |
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| 18:11.28 | bowman | twobitsprite: I'm not an NFS expert, sorry - maybe you have to set access-enabled IP addresses somewhere or anything like that?! |
| 18:11.47 | xoz_ | jazbo: ssh -v <sarge machine> |
| 18:12.16 | yos87 | aeronadix: the problem has been solved by typing metacity. Do you want me to type kill X adns tartx -egnome? |
| 18:12.18 | twobitsprite | bowman: hmm... |
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| 18:12.25 | ozrg | Eulex: debian installation files in a normal hard drive partition. |
| 18:12.28 | twobitsprite | bowman: I'll just keep hacking on it, thanks :) |
| 18:12.34 | xoz_ | jazbo: connect from win machine and see if you can find any symptoms |
| 18:12.34 | bowman | twobitsprite: good luck :) |
| 18:12.46 | thingfish | rebus: have you looked at /var/log/XFree86.0.log? |
| 18:12.55 | yos87 | aeronadix: But I fail with enlightenment |
| 18:13.01 | aeronadix | yos87, if the problem is solved, then don't do anyting |
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| 18:13.13 | aeronadix | yos87, forget enlightenment, it crashes, gnome is good |
| 18:13.16 | rebus | thingfish, i have xorg, now i try to see |
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| 18:13.27 | thingfish | oh yes, sorry rebus |
| 18:13.29 | jazbo | xoz_, the problem is that I can connect from sarge to sarge (or other *nix to sarge) but I can't connect from windows(client) to sarge(server). |
| 18:13.31 | aeronadix | yos87, why don't you change the theme or something if you need a change |
| 18:13.38 | FoxAFK | bye |
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| 18:13.48 | thingfish | I don't know what the xorg log is called. I'd guess xorg.0.log |
| 18:13.49 | yos87 | aeronadix: yea , thank you |
| 18:13.54 | roxy_ | Hi, is there any skype like application working on debian that include video? |
| 18:13.57 | edmundo__ | hello |
| 18:14.05 | xoz_ | jazbo: see the transactions using ssh -v <sarge machine>. |
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| 18:14.10 | Eulex | ozrg, what debian installation files? is it an already installed instance of debian? also, it does make a big difference what file system the partition has. "normal" is not a good enough answer. |
| 18:14.18 | yos87 | aeronadix: I'm always changing, but I hear about other envoironment, so I would like to take a look |
| 18:14.32 | aeronadix | yos87, but installing enlightenment, should be as easy as apt-get install enlightenment, and then when you wanna start it just type startx -e enlightenment |
| 18:14.32 | yos87 | aeronadix: I hear also there is on 3d |
| 18:14.50 | rebus | thingfish, i don't dinf any log. |
| 18:14.52 | yos87 | Only |
| 18:15.18 | aeronadix | yos87, well gnome and kde are the high end desktops, people on low end machines will use something else cause they need something light weight, but if its no problem for why, why bother |
| 18:15.18 | xoz_ | jazbo: without more info, all we can do is guess what's the problem. now, scavenge for more symptoms. doesn't work is a vague dexcription. |
| 18:15.21 | rebus | dinf=find |
| 18:15.24 | yos87 | aeronadix: and it will not effect gnome |
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| 18:15.54 | xoz_ | jazbo: in short, enable verbose option of ssh when you connect from win machine to sarge |
| 18:16.11 | yos87 | aeronadix: yes you are write, gnome is perfect |
| 18:16.29 | yos87 | aeronadix: cause you can change anything |
| 18:16.35 | jazbo | xoz_, Okay got it. I'll have to run upstairs to do that tnx |
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| 18:16.53 | thingfish | rebus: from which version of nvidia-kernel-source did m-a build? |
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| 18:17.02 | jazbo | xoz_, hopefully the win client will be able to provide that kind of info |
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| 18:17.30 | aeronadix | yos87, you can try enlightenment too if you are in the mood, it won't affect gnome, you can install all the desktops you want. ANd you can start them using the startx -e switch, or selecting in gdm |
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| 18:17.41 | xoz_ | jazbo: there is a verbose option. also you can run sshd in sarge with the verbose option and in the foreground mode. |
| 18:18.14 | roxy_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:18.40 | xoz_ | jazbo: /msg dpkg debug sshd |
| 18:18.48 | yos87 | aeronadix: But why no any guid for all what are you saying above |
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| 18:20.16 | yos87 | aeronadix: both of debian installation guid and debian user guid is poor |
| 18:20.22 | jazbo | xoz_ is there an sshd log where I could find the information about what's going wrong? |
| 18:21.18 | yos87 | aeronadix: Where are you from? |
| 18:21.59 | aeronadix | yos87, TOronot |
| 18:22.06 | aeronadix | yos87, Toronto |
| 18:22.35 | yos87 | aeronadix: it's city? |
| 18:22.46 | Eulex | yos87, the guides may be hard to follow if english is not your native language. there may be an install guide that is translated into arabic, though |
| 18:22.51 | aeronadix | yos87, Canada, how about you dude |
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| 18:23.11 | blazemonger | what'sup |
| 18:23.38 | yos87 | aeronadix: dubai - uae |
| 18:23.54 | yos87 | aeronadix: there is general poor linux boox |
| 18:24.16 | jazbo | msg sshd |
| 18:24.33 | xoz_ | jazbo: /msg dpkg debug sshd |
| 18:24.40 | aeronadix | yos87, you are lucky to be in UAE, I wish I could move there. |
| 18:24.42 | yos87 | aeronadix: dubai - uae |
| 18:24.51 | yos87 | aeronadix: when |
| 18:24.51 | blazemonger | gnu kfreebsd owns |
| 18:24.51 | jazbo | Okay sorry for being a newb but what does that mean? |
| 18:25.01 | Thanatermesis | xorg sucks |
| 18:25.06 | Thanatermesis | not is posible to return to xfree ? :) |
| 18:25.09 | blazemonger | debian married to freebsd |
| 18:25.16 | blazemonger | Thanatermesis, :you don't like xorg? |
| 18:25.17 | aeronadix | yos87, I am trying to move back to Pakistan asap. I beg my parents to send me back, but they keep saying its no good life there, but I don't believe them |
| 18:25.21 | Eulex | Thanatermesis, why? |
| 18:25.25 | yos87 | aeronadix: but it's ok , something something I can read and translate |
| 18:25.29 | Thanatermesis | blazemonger nah... it sucks my cpu and my ram |
| 18:25.44 | blazemonger | oh you have a slower box? understandable |
| 18:25.46 | jazbo | msg dpkg debug ssh |
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| 18:25.49 | Eulex | Thanatermesis, shouldn't do that much more than xfree86. |
| 18:25.49 | yos87 | aeronadix: packistan? never |
| 18:25.50 | Thanatermesis | it sucks more ram than xfree... and i don't understand why are using more than 15 % of the cpu all the time (logic?) |
| 18:25.56 | Eulex | jazbo, with a / in front. |
| 18:25.57 | stew | Thanatermesis: xorg should not behave noticibly differently to xfree, what exactly are you having problems with |
| 18:25.59 | aeronadix | yos87, Canada is so cold weather and people are so mean |
| 18:26.06 | jazbo | Eulex: nothing happens when I do that |
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| 18:26.22 | xoz_ | !tell jazbo about debug sshd |
| 18:26.26 | yos87 | aeronadix: Packistan street is traffice 23 hour per day |
| 18:26.29 | Thanatermesis | blazemonger slower slower... my box is a 1400 Mhz with 1 GB of ram... but what about my poor 360 Mhz + 64 Mb RAM laptop ? :'( |
| 18:26.29 | aeronadix | yos87, Pakistan gonna have large oil fields soon too, so we gonna be rich like Arabs |
| 18:26.36 | blazemonger | aeronadix, :canada has mean people because their government is in shambles |
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| 18:26.46 | stew | Thanatermesis: using which driver? |
| 18:26.48 | blazemonger | if i was around socialism i'd be the same way |
| 18:26.51 | jazbo | xoz_ was that supposed to show me something? because it didn't |
| 18:26.54 | satans_ny | Thanatermesis: haha! i'm typing from that now |
| 18:27.04 | xoz_ | jazbo: check the other window |
| 18:27.05 | yos87 | aeronadix: you mean gulf, afew places in arab gulf |
| 18:27.09 | xoz_ | !debug sshd |
| 18:27.09 | dpkg | To debug sshd (server), run this as root on the server: "/usr/sbin/sshd -d -p 2222". Then use "ssh -p 2222 username@servername" on the client. |
| 18:27.12 | Thanatermesis | stew on this machine... matrox |
| 18:27.13 | blazemonger | Thanatermesis, :my box is slower than yours! |
| 18:27.15 | xoz_ | jazbo: ^^ |
| 18:27.20 | blazemonger | but debian and xorg runs just fine on me |
| 18:27.25 | Thanatermesis | satans_ny a 360 Mhz ? :) |
| 18:27.32 | satans_ny | what's the dpkg-reconfigure to reconfigure the screen? i mean the configurationmenu i get then installing x-window-system. errorlog at http://subshop.nu/~tomas/x.log |
| 18:27.37 | yos87 | aeronadix: so you will work in the oil field? |
| 18:27.40 | Thanatermesis | blazemonger and what machine you have ? |
| 18:27.42 | stew | Thanatermesis: mga? |
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| 18:27.54 | blazemonger | a machine made out of parts from dumpster diving |
| 18:27.59 | Thanatermesis | blazemonger stew what about the memleak of the cursor in xorg ? :S |
| 18:28.01 | blazemonger | it's one of the first pentium 4's |
| 18:28.05 | blazemonger | d850 chipset |
| 18:28.06 | satans_ny | Thanatermesis: http://subshop.nu/sysinfo , with fluxbox, no problem :) |
| 18:28.11 | Thanatermesis | stew yes... dual monitor in 16 mb |
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| 18:28.18 | blazemonger | and 768 megabytes of memory |
| 18:28.20 | mixmaster | hey |
| 18:28.23 | yos87 | aeronadix: Why don't come dubai, you can work as network administrator if you have experience! |
| 18:28.29 | aeronadix | yos87, maybe, or the oil money will give booste to rest of economy, InShahAllah, we become rich |
| 18:28.32 | blazemonger | then again i can't complain free is good |
| 18:28.36 | stew | Thanatermesis: i'm not seeing anything like that here, on a g450. what memleak? |
| 18:28.37 | satans_ny | i even use firefox |
| 18:28.40 | stew | Thanatermesis: do you ahve a bug#? |
| 18:28.52 | aeronadix | yos87, Dubai is more mean than Canada probably |
| 18:28.53 | stew | Thanatermesis: are you using dri? |
| 18:28.56 | Thanatermesis | satans_ny and you don't have the system a little "slow" with xorg than xfree ? how much ram you have ? |
| 18:28.59 | blazemonger | and my video card is TERRIBLE a ati rage 128 all in wonder |
| 18:29.08 | yos87 | aeronadix: inshahallah? what is your relegion? |
| 18:29.18 | blazemonger | i'm a athiest |
| 18:29.32 | mixmaster | i have to issue the the command postconf -n output for postfix --what is it exactlyI type on the command line |
| 18:29.37 | yos87 | aeronadix: crestian? |
| 18:29.50 | blazemonger | is crestian a bad thing? |
| 18:30.00 | stew | bad in that its off topic |
| 18:30.00 | satans_ny | Thanatermesis: as much as yours |
| 18:30.03 | Thanatermesis | stew aparently xorg memleak with cursors renderization, if this cursor make any "movement" (for example the typhical "loading"), if you use the "silver" cursor theme you have 1.5 GB of swap used after 2 days to work... very scary |
| 18:30.17 | stew | Thanatermesis: did you file a bug? |
| 18:30.24 | aeronadix | yos87, Guess |
| 18:30.32 | satans_ny | but what's the dpkg-reconfigure to reconfigure mice, monitor etc for X |
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| 18:30.40 | Thanatermesis | stew no.. aparently i can't posible to use dri... insuficient memory :/ aparently 16 mb not is sufficient for dual monitors in 1023 |
| 18:30.43 | stew | !drxx satans_ny |
| 18:30.44 | dpkg | satans_ny: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 18:30.45 | Thanatermesis | 1024* |
| 18:30.54 | blazemonger | i find it interesting how debian has bible study software in the repository |
| 18:31.00 | satans_ny | oh saving that |
| 18:31.00 | qalim | !xmd5 |
| 18:31.00 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 18:31.05 | blazemonger | i turned my mom into a linux user lwith bible study software |
| 18:31.11 | stew | Thanatermesis: dual monitors for 1024x768 doesn't need 16mb |
| 18:31.13 | yos87 | aeronadix: I can guess crestian because you are in canada, and I can guess muslim because of what I hear! |
| 18:31.22 | Thanatermesis | hum |
| 18:31.30 | blazemonger | what's wrong with muslim? |
| 18:31.34 | deadcat | whats the status on 7.0 from experimental to sid? |
| 18:31.35 | edmundo__ | i don't think that this is the right place to ask, but, someone here uses phpldapadmin? I am with a problem with the uids showed up for the users |
| 18:31.36 | stew | blazemonger: its off topic |
| 18:31.37 | StR_LinuxUser | Hi all! Does anyone tried out with an AMD64 + SATA HD? I'm having problems with an installation |
| 18:31.38 | yawg | i didn't know this was #religion_and_debian |
| 18:31.39 | aeronadix | yos87, I will feel most safe in Pakistan |
| 18:31.44 | blazemonger | cristian muslim, jew, athiest, everyone believes in the same god |
| 18:31.50 | yos87 | aeronadix: so muslim |
| 18:32.08 | yos87 | blazzemonger: yes, all same |
| 18:32.09 | aeronadix | blazemonger, athiest don't belong on that list |
| 18:32.17 | _joey | is anyone using original bittorrent client ? |
| 18:32.21 | Thanatermesis | stew http://pastebin.com/592987 |
| 18:32.26 | blazemonger | aeronadix, :im an athiest..its hard being a athiest in usa |
| 18:32.27 | deadcat | please join #debian-ot |
| 18:32.29 | stew | !(1024 * 768 * 4 * 2) / ( 1024 ) |
| 18:32.29 | dpkg | 6144 |
| 18:32.37 | stew | Thanatermesis: ^^ 6.1 mb requred |
| 18:32.42 | aeronadix | Even christian don't because they drink blood now, and most jew abondon torah too |
| 18:32.55 | thingfish | ? |
| 18:32.57 | aeronadix | only muslims are muslims now |
| 18:33.00 | Thanatermesis | interesant :) |
| 18:33.11 | sgeigerbot | blazemonger: amen. |
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| 18:33.36 | blazemonger | sgeigerbot, :youre a athiest too? |
| 18:33.42 | yos87 | blazzemonger: what aeronadix say is wrire |
| 18:33.46 | sgeigerbot | blazemonger: yes. "No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered as patriots. This is one nation under God." -- said by George H. W. Bush in response to questions while campaigning. (source: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/George_H._W._Bush) |
| 18:33.53 | thingfish | rational discussion of religion is at least off topic...irrational discussions of any sort don't belong here by any means. |
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| 18:34.10 | yos87 | aeronadix: even muslim people is loose most of the moslim relegion |
| 18:34.11 | Thanatermesis | blazemonger sincerely... i don't think to you find very persons with a religion in this type of channels ;) |
| 18:34.12 | aeronadix | No Bush is talking about Gad not God |
| 18:34.14 | aeronadix | haha |
| 18:34.24 | Thanatermesis | i think to less than a 10 % thinks to god exist |
| 18:34.33 | stew | please stop talking about religion, its off-topic, and its got little chance of going anywhere productive anyway |
| 18:34.38 | blazemonger | Thanatermesis, :) true but i have nothing against religious people |
| 18:34.39 | Thanatermesis | true, sorry |
| 18:34.47 | roxy_ | thingfish: you could have add something about bad spellling :-) |
| 18:34.52 | PerfDave | Thanatermesis: Oh, there are a few Christian fundementalists who come into #debian occasionally. But fortunately they tend to talk about Debian rather than religion. |
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| 18:34.54 | thingfish | roxy_: boy really. |
| 18:34.56 | aeronadix | yos87, yeah I know, only poor muslims are muslims, the Saudi family are crooks, and all royalty in Arab countries are Aristrocrats, not muslim |
| 18:34.59 | blazemonger | i believe in to each his own...my famiily are luciferians |
| 18:35.16 | ohad | hi, i have installed etch 2.6.15-1 - that seems to have a serious problem wtih xserver-xorg version 6.9.xxx - ideas how to resolve this? |
| 18:35.16 | Thanatermesis | lol |
| 18:35.19 | blazemonger | and i'm the athiest wierd mix heh |
| 18:35.24 | yawg | why are they still talking about religion?? |
| 18:35.39 | sgeigerbot | PerfDave: Fuckedamental Christians |
| 18:35.41 | Thanatermesis | stew do you have found this messages ? are little strange, its EE logs of xorg |
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| 18:35.46 | yawg | can't take the hint? |
| 18:35.49 | holds- | hey i want to upgrade my libc |
| 18:35.50 | Thanatermesis | what is "mga_hal" ? i don't found this on my kernels |
| 18:35.55 | holds- | but it says im on the last version |
| 18:35.56 | sgeigerbot | Christian Fuckedamentalists |
| 18:35.57 | blazemonger | what country has the largest athiest population? |
| 18:36.00 | holds- | although there are newer versions, any idea? |
| 18:36.06 | yawg | holds-: what flavor of debian are you at? |
| 18:36.12 | bowman | if I have 2 repositories with "identical" packages, how can I force apt to use the repository I want it to use? (dotdeb.org packages) |
| 18:36.12 | yos87 | aeronadix: do you know the the rich arabic gulf people it they do thier duites , there will be no poor in the world , exept china (^^) |
| 18:36.15 | aeronadix | yeah I think Linux is atheist too, or communist or something like that |
| 18:36.17 | holds- | yaug what do you mean? how can i know |
| 18:36.18 | thingfish | !ops somewhat inflamatory off-topic discussion going on. |
| 18:36.18 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: somewhat inflamatory off-topic discussion going on. |
| 18:36.35 | deadcat | Dell UltraSharp 2005FPW 20.1" Widescreen LCD monitor $354 HELL to the no.. man i cant believe i paid $300 for a crap ass 17" )= |
| 18:36.48 | yawg | holds-: woody, sarge, etch? |
| 18:36.51 | sgeigerbot | blazemonger: I think the eastern part of Germany has only 10% christians. |
| 18:36.52 | blazemonger | aeronadix, :linux is like communism that has been perfected in digital form..it's free, it works and everybody benefits |
| 18:36.52 | yos87 | yawg: if our talking disturbing u, we can stop it noramally |
| 18:37.03 | holds- | yawg how can i know? |
| 18:37.03 | StR_LinuxUser | Hi all! Does anyone tried out with an AMD64 + SATA HD? I'm having problems with an installation |
| 18:37.05 | yawg | i'm not disturbed |
| 18:37.06 | yos87 | yawg: sorry for trouble anaway |
| 18:37.07 | blazemonger | eastern germany only 10% christians? awesome i have german blood in me |
| 18:37.12 | yawg | i'd like very much to talk religion with you |
| 18:37.17 | yawg | but not in this channel |
| 18:37.23 | yawg | and it is frustrating to keep myself quite about it |
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| 18:37.30 | holds- | yawg debian_version is 3.1 |
| 18:37.31 | aeronadix | blazemonger, yeah I like Linux, but I don't know anyone else who use it, except for apache web servers |
| 18:37.35 | sgeigerbot | blazemonger: Go to southern Germany and you won't be so proud. Go to Austria, same thing. |
| 18:37.51 | yawg | what is 3.1, anyone? |
| 18:37.52 | pitillo | Thanatermesis, did you try to use fb with that card? |
| 18:37.54 | yawg | is that sarge? |
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| 18:37.56 | thingfish | I am by no means against religious discussions either (I have an MA in theology), but not here. |
| 18:37.59 | blazemonger | i want to live where I can be athiest and proud |
| 18:38.05 | sgeigerbot | aeronadix: you must live in a small town. |
| 18:38.06 | StR_LinuxUser | yawg, I think so... |
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| 18:38.13 | beardy | blazemonger: And learn to spell? |
| 18:38.14 | Estes2 | I'd like to setup a PXE or bootp system to boot on different iso files with a menu to select from ... Any idea ? |
| 18:38.17 | yos87 | yawg: yes , you are right, total user 695, the channel cannot hold more then the channel subject |
| 18:38.18 | Thanatermesis | pitillo no, no tried, (dual monitor also?) |
| 18:38.23 | blazemonger | i always hated spelling |
| 18:38.27 | holds- | how can i know if im on sarge |
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| 18:38.45 | pitillo | Thanatermesis, with dual monitor you can't use it? |
| 18:38.46 | yos87 | yawg: sometimes when I trey to join debian , It forward me to another channel |
| 18:38.49 | beardy | holds-: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 18:38.58 | yawg | holds-: yeah so you're on sarge, which is the latest *stable* version, if you want a newer version of libc6, you'll have to upgrade to etch |
| 18:39.01 | holds- | 3.1 |
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| 18:39.05 | brosioz | in a bsd tree the max is on a leaf ? |
| 18:39.05 | deadcat | holds-: or egrep "stable|sarge" /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:39.09 | holds- | yawg how can i do it? |
| 18:39.11 | aeronadix | sgeigerbot, I've many big places, like colleges and businesses, and they don't use it accept for web server, but I'm sure lots of place do use it too, I just never been there |
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| 18:39.14 | holds- | i just want to upgrade libc |
| 18:39.14 | Thanatermesis | pitillo no... im dual monitor and i use "mga", but aparently not finish to works totally fine |
| 18:39.21 | Thanatermesis | pitillo is better fbdev for dual monitors ? |
| 18:39.28 | deadcat | !tell holds- about stable->testing |
| 18:39.42 | yawg | yeah, what they said |
| 18:39.48 | cahoot | sgeigerbot: surely less than 5% of computer users use linux |
| 18:39.50 | Thanatermesis | mmh, i have ear to directfb works pretty good for matrox... what about it ? |
| 18:39.52 | yawg | i can only help in the right direction |
| 18:39.55 | beardy | holds-: 3.1 is sarge, so you are on sarge, and you should stay on sarge |
| 18:39.57 | pitillo | Thanatermesis, I dont know, but read that with fb support may be the module mga_hal can be loaded |
| 18:40.02 | aeronadix | sgeigerbot, and also lots of people have a bad attitude against linux, like its communist or something, or a movement, not just simply a strong computing environment. THats the only reason I use it |
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| 18:40.05 | blazemonger | I'd love to be able to find a old version of QT like version 1.1 eheh..there's a app i want to compile |
| 18:40.08 | leno | excuse |
| 18:40.15 | holds- | beardy: i cant i need to install ser and it requires a newer libc |
| 18:40.17 | leno | what is the italian chan for debian |
| 18:40.17 | leno | ? |
| 18:40.23 | PerfDave | !it |
| 18:40.23 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 18:40.46 | PerfDave | holds-: Compile the source against the older libc? That normally works. |
| 18:41.01 | priscila | blazemonger: i think gnu is like comunism, linux is just a kernel which has a lot of substutites.. |
| 18:41.01 | StR_LinuxUser | does anyone had tried the etch flavour? |
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| 18:41.30 | blazemonger | priscila, :the scary part is GNU has PERFECTED communism hehe |
| 18:41.36 | PerfDave | StR_LinuxUser: No, nobody uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 18:41.45 | aeronadix | priscila, yeah you are right, although gnu is what is giving us free computers, but the gnu guy is wierd. He live in a room or something |
| 18:41.45 | PerfDave | GNU isn't communism, it's socialism. |
| 18:42.01 | beardy | Fuck, enough with the trolling. |
| 18:42.01 | blazemonger | why would you say its socialism? |
| 18:42.11 | xoz_ | stop the OT please |
| 18:42.15 | v|p3r | someone has installed an hd-audio modem? |
| 18:42.20 | aeronadix | Anyway, it was that rich dude, Tenanbaum who gave minix, and something else |
| 18:42.33 | PerfDave | aeronadix: But Minix wasn't Free :) |
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| 18:42.51 | yos87 | aeronadix: buy now |
| 18:42.52 | aeronadix | PerfDave: But he released it to the students |
| 18:43.03 | deadcat | nVidia GeForce FX5200 (with latest nvidia-glx-1.0.8178 and nvidia-kernel-1.0.8178-r3, no direct rendering) <-- whats no direct rendering mean? |
| 18:43.11 | beardy | aeronadix: He didn't release it to anyone. |
| 18:43.16 | blazemonger | i wish i had a teacher that would have given me free operating systems |
| 18:43.17 | blazemonger | heh |
| 18:43.32 | aeronadix | beardy, yeah, I thought he gave it to some guy for academic study |
| 18:43.51 | PerfDave | aeronadix: But it wasn't Free |
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| 18:44.01 | aeronadix | PerfDave, true |
| 18:44.20 | Uberriffic | is there a way to determine what type of Motherboard you have w/o rebooting? |
| 18:44.20 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 18:44.20 | dpkg | hmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 18:44.27 | tarzeau | Uberriffic: lspci/ree ? |
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| 18:44.51 | PerfDave | Uberriffic: dmidecode is often useful |
| 18:44.55 | aeronadix | PerfDave, Stallman went begging to Tenanbaum for gcc, and Tenenbaum didn't like his attitude so he refused him. THen Stallman claims he reverse engineered the thing |
| 18:45.05 | blazemonger | blender wont run on my ati rage 128 all in wonder |
| 18:45.11 | blazemonger | i have 32 megabytes of memory and opengl |
| 18:45.12 | blazemonger | wierd |
| 18:45.15 | beardy | aeronadix: What the hell was that? |
| 18:45.25 | aeronadix | blazemonger, thats wierd |
| 18:45.42 | blazemonger | but if i disable direct rendering blender works perfect |
| 18:45.42 | Uberriffic | tarzeau: i dont have ree...and lspci didn't give me enough info, thx thou |
| 18:45.50 | tarzeau | Uberriffic: apt-get install ree |
| 18:46.02 | beardy | aeronadix: Can you guess what the g stands for? |
| 18:46.03 | Uberriffic | PerfDave: that looks like a good command, i am reading the output now |
| 18:46.03 | aeronadix | beardy, you never heard of it. The gnu dude Richard Stallman, begged Tenenbaum for his C compiler, but Tenenbaum refused |
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| 18:46.04 | tarzeau | Uberriffic: there's also hwinfo |
| 18:46.18 | beardy | damn, the stupidity.. |
| 18:46.25 | tarzeau | blazemonger: how's your debian gnu/kfreebsd? |
| 18:46.34 | blazemonger | tarzeau, :it's great man |
| 18:46.36 | blazemonger | i love it |
| 18:46.37 | PerfDave | aeronadix: Are you claiming that RMS stole code from Tenenbaum and licensed it under the GPL? |
| 18:46.38 | aeronadix | beardy, I don't know, something tells me Richard Stallman, didn't just reverse engineer the whole thing from scratch, but maybe he did |
| 18:46.41 | blazemonger | it's a godsend |
| 18:46.54 | beardy | aeronadix: Go read on gnu.org. |
| 18:46.54 | blazemonger | it makes debian so much easier to tweak |
| 18:46.55 | tarzeau | blazemonger: installed popcon yet? |
| 18:47.01 | blazemonger | not yet |
| 18:47.05 | blazemonger | should I? |
| 18:47.10 | tarzeau | blazemonger: yes please |
| 18:47.18 | blazemonger | i'll do that |
| 18:47.38 | aeronadix | I forget what it was, but Tenenbaum did give away something pivotal to the release of Linux. It was gcc cause Stallman reverse engineered it |
| 18:47.39 | blazemonger | tarzeau, :gnu/kfreebsd owns me |
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| 18:47.58 | beardy | aeronadix: Just shut up. |
| 18:48.03 | aeronadix | sorry, It wasn't gcc .. |
| 18:48.12 | aeronadix | beardy go suck some ass |
| 18:48.30 | beardy | !ops aeronadix kick that troll/fucktard |
| 18:48.30 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: aeronadix kick that troll/fucktard |
| 18:48.40 | xoz_ | it is not yet sunday but it seems it is.. |
| 18:48.52 | aeronadix | beardy, you a loser |
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| 18:49.28 | surrounder | aeronadix: yeah indeed, you are so much more intelligent... |
| 18:49.29 | yawg | aeronadix-- |
| 18:49.34 | surrounder | *cough* |
| 18:49.36 | beardy | aeronadix: Don't impose your clulessness on others, and ceirtaly not in here. |
| 18:49.45 | aeronadix | You guys are disciples, lol |
| 18:50.04 | *** mode/#debian [+o helix] by ChanServ |
| 18:50.06 | surrounder | no, we're just older than 13 |
| 18:50.07 | aeronadix | Stallman disciples, lol |
| 18:50.12 | helix | aeronadix: stop trolling |
| 18:50.13 | Eulex | !friday |
| 18:50.13 | dpkg | it has been said that friday is Tardsday Eve Eve |
| 18:50.15 | PerfDave | Nah, GNU disciples don't use Debian, they use some weird Brazilian distro. |
| 18:50.21 | aeronadix | Stallman is a loser |
| 18:50.22 | tarzeau | helix: kick him already |
| 18:50.26 | helix | and for the love of god, the rest of you, STOP FEEDING THE TROLLS |
| 18:50.29 | tarzeau | helix: wtf are you waiting for so long? |
| 18:50.41 | helix | tarzeau: do I need to remove you as well? what is your problem? |
| 18:50.46 | helix | I haven't been waiting in the background |
| 18:50.54 | tarzeau | helix: go ahead, what's wrong with you? |
| 18:51.01 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@d141-189-121.home.cgocable.net] by helix |
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| 18:51.02 | tarzeau | helix: don't you see clearly what he's doing on purpose? |
| 18:51.16 | priscila | PerfDave: why use brazilian distros? |
| 18:51.17 | helix | tarzeau: I _still_ have to warn people before kicking them unless they're crapflooding |
| 18:51.21 | *** mode/#debian [-o helix] by helix |
| 18:51.50 | PerfDave | priscila: There's one distro that the Free Software Foundation actively recommend. I can't remember the name, but it's a Brazilian Debian derivative IIRC (not Kurumin). |
| 18:53.07 | tarzeau | PerfDave, priscila here? http://www.gnu.org/links/links.html#TOCFreeGNULinuxDistributions |
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| 18:53.29 | priscila | PerfDave: it isnt a brazilian distro, it's an argentine distro |
| 18:53.34 | priscila | utotu |
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| 18:54.22 | tarzeau | priscila: it's just one among many |
| 18:54.22 | surrounder | hehe never heard of it |
| 18:54.31 | close_to_debian | how do i intstall xgl in debian |
| 18:54.33 | PerfDave | priscila: My bad |
| 18:54.35 | close_to_debian | any howtos |
| 18:54.57 | xoz_ | !xgl |
| 18:54.57 | dpkg | hmm... xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running.check http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease or ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see http://getkororaa.com/ for a live-cd with xgl |
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| 18:55.07 | beardy | !xgl-howto |
| 18:55.08 | dpkg | methinks xgl-howto is xgl may or may not work on your system. Currently supports nVidia/ATI. http://battlehorse.homelinux.net/w/Wiki.jsp?page=Xgl |
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| 18:55.27 | blazemonger | xgl? |
| 18:55.37 | beardy | blazemonger: read above |
| 18:55.59 | blazemonger | i wonder if blender would then work on my ati all in wonder 128 card |
| 18:55.59 | close_to_debian | thanks |
| 18:56.00 | priscila | a famous brazilian distro is kurumin which is a poor debian costumization |
| 18:56.15 | beardy | blazemonger: Nothing to do with that. |
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| 18:58.38 | roxy_ | what driver should I load for logitech usb webcam? |
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| 18:58.54 | jetscreamer | isn't that like not good enough gl support in the gpu |
| 18:59.03 | k31th | There is a frontend system simular to cpannel that users can add remove email addys from etc anyone remember wat its called ? |
| 18:59.14 | k31th | im pretty sure its a deb based project only |
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| 18:59.27 | madclicker | is yaird nesessary for etch wile running 2.6.15? |
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| 18:59.39 | xoz_ | k31th: /msg dpkg searcg |
| 18:59.44 | xoz_ | k31th: /msg dpkg search |
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| 19:01.13 | xoz_ | !depends linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 |
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| 19:01.17 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6.15-1-686: depends on module-init-tools (>= 0.9.13), initramfs-tools | yaird | linux-initramfs-tool |
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| 19:01.53 | xoz_ | madclicker: initrd is replace by any of the above |
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| 19:02.02 | xoz_ | *replaced* |
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| 19:02.09 | roxy_ | I am following http://www.aboutdebian.com/webcam.htm. It talks about v4l module, I can't find it(running 2.6.15 debian linux-image). |
| 19:02.32 | PerfDave | So xgl is yet more pointless wanky eyecandy? :) |
| 19:03.04 | k31th | Think im going to go with debian on this webhead instead of gentoo... i seem to spend alot of time fixing portage. |
| 19:03.04 | LinuxNIT | where can i get kernel headers for 2.6.12? |
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| 19:03.10 | xoz_ | madclicker: last time i checked, 2.6.15 cannot boot my machine using the debian packaged kernel. |
| 19:03.15 | PerfDave | LinuxNIT: /msg dpkg search |
| 19:03.29 | thingfish | roxy_: maybe try video4linux |
| 19:03.42 | madclicker | xoz_, i tried installing "hotplug" which fucked up my whole system, now i cant reinstall yaird. linix-image and so forth |
| 19:04.30 | thingfish | roxy_: never mind...could've sworn I saw that once upon a time, but I guess not. |
| 19:04.38 | madclicker | why the hell would hotlug uninstall the kernel, yair and the rest of the packages |
| 19:05.06 | madclicker | fuckin retarded if you ask me |
| 19:05.10 | xoz_ | madclicker: yep. it seems that 2.6.15 packaging of kernel has problems regarding the creation of image and booting |
| 19:05.15 | Thug-N-Me | is " vmailadmin " available via apt ? any repo for it ? |
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| 19:05.32 | LinuxNIT | PerfDave, <dpkg> Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'kernel headers 2.6.12' returned no results. |
| 19:05.35 | xoz_ | madclicker: better stick for a while with the 2.6.14 |
| 19:05.50 | madclicker | how do i get my kernel reinstalled before the system goes to shits |
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| 19:06.22 | PerfDave | LinuxNIT: What does apt-cache search tell you |
| 19:06.30 | LinuxNIT | its not in there |
| 19:06.37 | LinuxNIT | im on etch btw |
| 19:06.51 | PerfDave | LinuxNIT: It may have been removed, in which case it might be on snapshot.debian.net |
| 19:06.57 | LinuxNIT | thanks |
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| 19:07.11 | vin` | madclicker: on sid? |
| 19:07.16 | madclicker | etch |
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| 19:07.37 | blazemonger | etch isnt bad either |
| 19:07.39 | xoz_ | LinuxNIT: yep. current source lists only linux-headers-2.6.15 |
| 19:07.54 | LinuxNIT | yeah i saw that :> |
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| 19:08.13 | FlimFlamMan | i'm using debian-stable, and benchmarking with apache bench (ab2) segfaults when i benchmark using ssl and any verbosity level above the default. can someone else confirm this? |
| 19:08.22 | ZantaF | im trying to install debian on my system but it wont recoginse my SATA DVD-RW even though its the device its booting off of! |
| 19:08.25 | dpm | hmm, I've burnt the sarge ISO 1 on CD, but I think there's something wrong with the CD. Can I somehow mount the CD as an ISO and use that to check the md5 checksum? |
| 19:08.25 | nicolas__ | well, im back with sarge |
| 19:08.29 | vin` | madclicker: is udev installed? |
| 19:08.36 | madclicker | whoosh, that was close |
| 19:08.42 | madclicker | aptitude fixed it :) |
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| 19:09.03 | madclicker | vin`, i coudnt it would give me dependencie issues |
| 19:09.18 | priscila | dpm: md5sum /dev/foo |
| 19:09.32 | vin` | madclicker: you don't need hotplug now, udev takes care of it. |
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| 19:09.56 | dpm | priscila: thanks, I'll give that a shot |
| 19:10.00 | fas3r | i have a problem with acx100 driver if anybody use it please .. |
| 19:10.29 | PerfDave | ZantaF: Which version of Debian are you trying to install, how are you trying to install it? |
| 19:10.36 | fas3r | i know what's the problem but i don't find what file i need modify |
| 19:10.54 | madclicker | vin`, i needed my blackberry to sync with the system, so i read that kitchensync might do it, but dmesg wouldnt show that something is connected to the usb |
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| 19:11.10 | fas3r | it don't search in the good folder for load the firmware |
| 19:11.12 | madclicker | is there any way to sync a blackberry with linux? |
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| 19:11.48 | fas3r | if anybody have an idea |
| 19:12.00 | ZantaF | PrefDave: Sarge i think (3.1 r1) via dvd |
| 19:12.04 | Red_Cloud | I want to updrade to testing. I want to do a network install. I have downloaded the first ISO image of the CD set. I have burnt it to a CD which is bootable. Is there an installation manual specifically for testing or Etch? |
| 19:12.17 | ZantaF | i used the linux26 boot option |
| 19:12.35 | PerfDave | ZantaF: Have you tried the 2.4 kernel? |
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| 19:12.52 | PerfDave | Red_Cloud: Testing *is* etch. /msg dpkg nomenclature |
| 19:12.59 | LinuxNIT | PerfDave, i cant find it on snapshot eithe |
| 19:13.01 | LinuxNIT | r |
| 19:13.05 | roxy_ | using: "xawtv -hwscan" I got /dev/video ok with the name of my webcam and flags capture. Howver when I do xawtv I got a grey screen :( |
| 19:13.08 | ZantaF | not yet but i had the same problem when using the 2.4 kernel in slackware a week again (gave up) |
| 19:13.12 | PerfDave | LinuxNIT: Thent hat's me out of ideas. |
| 19:13.13 | close_to_debian | how can i install xorh 7.0 |
| 19:13.14 | priscila | fas3r: google can solve your problem if anybody here knows how to help you |
| 19:13.16 | close_to_debian | xorg |
| 19:13.17 | close_to_debian | ? |
| 19:13.19 | LinuxNIT | k thanks |
| 19:13.32 | PerfDave | ZantaF: Slackware's 2.4 kernel may not be the same as Debian's 2.4 kernel, it's worth a go. |
| 19:13.40 | Red_Cloud | PerfDave I am aware of that but have met so many people who prefer only one term that I include both so that I do not offend |
| 19:13.43 | ZantaF | ok cheers, brb |
| 19:14.11 | Red_Cloud | PerfDave, How to I change kernels? |
| 19:14.18 | fas3r | priscila, yes i google too |
| 19:14.26 | fas3r | but i don't find .. |
| 19:14.26 | PerfDave | Red_Cloud: You can install new kernels with apt-get |
| 19:14.38 | priscila | s/anybody/nobody |
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| 19:15.28 | priscila | sometimes english words is very confuse |
| 19:15.33 | Red_Cloud | PerfDave, If I change the refernces in sources.list to refer to Etch, I can then change kernels to 2.6.12? |
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| 19:16.05 | Coke | Is there a particular reason why the GPL'ed Q3 version is not available in Debian? Licensing perhaps? |
| 19:16.13 | zinx | no data |
| 19:16.14 | thingfish | priscila: I agree - and it's my native language. |
| 19:16.26 | pipeline | Coke: Uh, there's no standard version, I don't think. |
| 19:16.28 | blazemonger | the only thing i haven't learned yet is how to build .deb packages |
| 19:16.30 | pipeline | Coke: Some of the forks are... |
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| 19:16.41 | blazemonger | how hard will that be for me if im used to freebsd |
| 19:16.41 | pipeline | blazemonger: Heh, that's a long and difficult road. I'd start with the "Debian New Maintainer's Guide" |
| 19:17.02 | pipeline | blazemonger: Well, if you just want to put together something quick and dirty that works inside the package system, you ucan use "checkinstall", which takes about ten seconds to learn. |
| 19:17.02 | blazemonger | pipeline, :i want to help contribute to debian |
| 19:17.05 | nanok | fas3r: have you tried using m-a for your acx100? |
| 19:17.07 | xoz_ | info linux-image-2.6.12-1-686 etch |
| 19:17.10 | xoz_ | !info linux-image-2.6.12-1-686 etch |
| 19:17.16 | pipeline | blazemonger: ah, making a proper package to contribute is a non-trivial process. see the DNMG I just mentioned. |
| 19:17.19 | blazemonger | i want to learn how to build .deb packages |
| 19:17.20 | curt | Red_Cloud, apt-cache search linux-image-2.6.12-1-386 |
| 19:17.20 | curt | linux-image-2.6.12-1-386 - Linux kernel 2.6.12 image on 386-class machines |
| 19:17.25 | fas3r | nanok, m-a ? |
| 19:17.27 | Coke | pipeline: well, the latest GPL'ed source from ID Software is compatible with the 1.32 version protocol, why not that version? |
| 19:17.35 | nanok | fas3r: just type m-a as root |
| 19:17.36 | pipeline | Coke: *shrug* |
| 19:17.40 | xoz_ | Red_Cloud: not there |
| 19:17.44 | nanok | fas3r: modules-assistant |
| 19:17.56 | nonix4 | simonrvn: np (re sorry circa 12 hours ago) :-) |
| 19:17.58 | fas3r | nanok, i havn't use module-assistant ... |
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| 19:18.15 | nanok | fas3r: try that. it should be a hell of a lot easyer |
| 19:18.32 | PerfDave | Red_Cloud: Mixing packages between branches is rarely a good idea. Either dist-upgrade to etch, or use a backported package. |
| 19:18.42 | fas3r | it's modules-assistant prepare |
| 19:18.51 | fas3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:18.56 | fas3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:18.58 | SimonRaven | nonix4: :) |
| 19:19.00 | fas3r | it's this ? |
| 19:19.19 | nanok | fas3r: you can just run m-a, it has an ncurses interface. it will prolly be easyer |
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| 19:19.25 | nanok | especialy at first |
| 19:19.32 | fas3r | nanok, oki thank |
| 19:19.40 | nanok | fas3r: bonne chance |
| 19:19.50 | Coke | Is there a free tool in Debian that can convert an MDF file into a regular ISO image? |
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| 19:19.55 | fas3r | nanok, merci ^^ |
| 19:19.55 | FlimFlamMan | why is ab2 (apache bench) segfaulting whenever it encounters an ssl certificate created on a debian-stable machine? |
| 19:20.29 | Sp33dStar | anyone from poland here? |
| 19:20.44 | SimonRaven | !pl |
| 19:20.44 | dpkg | i guess pl is sometimes referred to as "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl |
| 19:20.59 | Sp33dStar | thnx |
| 19:21.08 | SimonRaven | :) |
| 19:21.11 | nanok | the debian perl script :P |
| 19:21.11 | priscila | thingfish: i write a sentence, seconds later i found many errors ( at least its understandable) |
| 19:21.35 | Sp33dStar | pl chan is empty ;) |
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| 19:21.52 | blazemonger | one thing i think is awesome about linux is the games are fun |
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| 19:21.57 | SimonRaven | *shrug*, sorry |
| 19:21.58 | nanok | Sp33dStar: well, there has to be a beginning, isn't there? |
| 19:22.00 | blazemonger | like njam, supertux, etc. |
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| 19:22.02 | nanok | :) |
| 19:22.05 | xoz_ | FlimFlamMan: you have to enable debug option or examine the logs. asking a question without much info wont help. |
| 19:22.07 | blazemonger | i miss those kind of games |
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| 19:22.38 | Sp33dStar | anyone use sometimes Damn Small Linux distribution? ;P |
| 19:22.45 | horza1337 | you heathens and your silly pixels. God gave us a framebuffer for a reason |
| 19:22.50 | abrotman | Sp33dStar: wrong channel |
| 19:22.50 | horza1337 | Sp33dStar: yes, sometimes |
| 19:22.56 | FlimFlamMan | xoz_, it happens any time when verbosity is set greater than the default (eg -v 2 ) |
| 19:22.56 | abrotman | !dsl |
| 19:22.56 | dpkg | i guess dsl is Digital Subscriber Line, the wonder technology the telcos will nevertheless find a way to turn into a con, or better than cable. http://www.dslreports.com or Damn Small Linux, http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ |
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| 19:23.33 | xoz_ | FlimFlamMan: what about strace or try using commands to trace the calls |
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| 19:24.01 | FlimFlamMan | xoz_, that's a bit out of my depth |
| 19:24.14 | roxy_ | where can I set the valid input for xawtv ? |
| 19:24.29 | nanok | roxy_: on the command line. try xawtv --help |
| 19:24.47 | aliesky | How can I see a local .SWF file? |
| 19:25.08 | pipeline | aliesky: The same way you view a remote one. |
| 19:25.12 | nanok | aliesky: with the same browser you see the remote ones, for instance?.. |
| 19:25.15 | beardy | aliesky: Same way you see an online one, if you can at all. |
| 19:25.21 | xoz_ | FlimFlamMan: man strace |
| 19:25.36 | roxy_ | nanok: I can find output but no input :( |
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| 19:26.10 | lehel | hello |
| 19:26.21 | aliesky | don't exist a SWF viewer? |
| 19:26.24 | lehel | my sound just gone..? |
| 19:26.29 | jazbo | Anyone know of a good channel to discuss ssh tunneling on? |
| 19:26.54 | roxy_ | lehel: maybe it's you ears. |
| 19:27.00 | nanok | roxy_: devie or smth like that |
| 19:27.08 | lehel | 'No hardware mixing'.. |
| 19:27.11 | xoz_ | !tell jazbo about ssh tunnel |
| 19:27.14 | lehel | vf roxy_ |
| 19:27.34 | nanok | roxy_: -c |
| 19:27.46 | lehel | so how do i check my soundcard? |
| 19:28.14 | beardy | lehel: Were you trying to play sound from two sources at the same time, without having a real soundcard (as in can do hardware mixing)? |
| 19:28.53 | xoz_ | !tell jazbo about ssh tunneling |
| 19:28.53 | nanok | jazbo: try google. it is quite simple, you need about 5 minutes to figure it out, no need for discussion after |
| 19:28.53 | beardy | lehel: Check for what? |
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| 19:28.53 | Red_Cloud | PerfDave to upgrade to etch, would I use dpkg or apt-get? |
| 19:28.57 | FlimFlamMan | xoz_, http://pastebin.com/593077 |
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| 19:29.07 | roxy_ | nonix4: I tried -device with /dev/video0 but it doesn't work. It says valid choice for input in "Webcam", then if I do -c "Webcam" it says webcam is not a dev file. |
| 19:29.09 | chealer9 | !tell Red_Cloud about sarge->etch |
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| 19:29.29 | jazbo | xoz_, actually reason I'm wondering is I'm trying to do the stuff we talked about before but the machine with the ssh server on it is behind a rounter that only allows port 22 so I cant access the verbose sshd on port 2222. |
| 19:29.41 | lehel | beardy: check my soundcard, from an hour ago i could watch movies.. no problems.. and now |
| 19:29.57 | lehel | with mplayer |
| 19:30.05 | jazbo | nanok, I guess I'm not too smart because I've been googling for about an hour and can't figure out how to do what I want to do |
| 19:30.08 | lehel | mplayer blabla.avi |
| 19:30.17 | lehel | no sound |
| 19:30.24 | Pirx-Danford | Hi there, got a question (of course) about grub and booting |
| 19:30.27 | abrotman | !tell Red_Cloud about sarge->etch |
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| 19:30.37 | nixbox | hi all |
| 19:30.38 | beardy | lehel: What more do you have running, that outputs sound? |
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| 19:30.43 | nixbox | has anyone got gcc-3.2 on their machine? |
| 19:30.44 | nanok | jazbo: ok, maybe some ppl get more lucky w google than others ;) ; try this: man ssh and search for -R |
| 19:30.52 | beardy | lehel: Did you start something else that outputs sound? |
| 19:30.53 | nanok | jazbo: that should get you started |
| 19:31.02 | lehel | beardy: no |
| 19:31.16 | Red_Cloud | chealer9 thanks |
| 19:31.21 | Red_Cloud | abrotman thanks |
| 19:31.24 | Sp33dStar | horza1337: can u prv? |
| 19:31.31 | quiet | what do i have to do to setup my wireless connection on my laptop... so it sets on bootup... sets the essid, ip and gateway? |
| 19:31.35 | beardy | lehel: You must have done something in between when it worked and when it's stopped working. |
| 19:31.42 | xoz_ | jazbo: then change port 2222 to port 22. just disable the real sshd daemon for a while. the reason of using 2222 is to avoid messing with the running sshd |
| 19:31.48 | beardy | s/it's/it/ |
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| 19:32.12 | lehel | beardy: yes: i fkd up my firefox.. flash plugin.. and all ;\ |
| 19:32.18 | madclicker | anyone using a blackberry device? |
| 19:32.34 | beardy | lehel: See if some process is still there. |
| 19:32.38 | PerfDave | Red_Cloud: If you don't know enough about Debian to know how to dist-upgrade, I'd recommend sticking with stable. |
| 19:32.40 | jazbo | xoz_, right but I need to ssh onto the server in the first place to do that |
| 19:33.25 | jazbo | xoz_, sorry that wasn't very clear. If I stopped the sshd I'd be stopping the server that I'm using to connect to the machine... if that makes any more sense |
| 19:33.25 | xoz_ | jazbo: use your common sense and tricks. you know the *drill*. |
| 19:33.39 | lehel | beardy: no strange process.. i've just rebooted |
| 19:34.09 | beardy | lehel: Have you rebooted before and the sound has been working after the reboot? |
| 19:34.13 | lehel | beardy: i'm using xfce4 :(.. 'dont like it |
| 19:34.18 | lehel | no |
| 19:34.26 | beardy | lehel: So switch to something else. |
| 19:34.26 | Pirx-Danford | I will just shoot my question: win98 did me the service of overwriting my MBR, how can I boot my linux now from /dev/hda3? I got the installation DVD ready, but cannot mount anything from the shell there :-/ |
| 19:34.28 | xoz_ | jazbo: enable verbose option to that running sshd and restart it with that verbose option. |
| 19:34.35 | lehel | beardy: like what? |
| 19:34.41 | lehel | kde? |
| 19:34.49 | beardy | lehel: Whatever you like. |
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| 19:34.52 | PerfDave | Pirx-Danford: Why can't you mount anything from the rescue CD |
| 19:34.54 | blazemonger | one thing i do need help on how can i explain to my friend who thinks linux sucks who has never used linux? |
| 19:35.00 | blazemonger | he thinks windows vista is great |
| 19:35.04 | xoz_ | FlimFlamMan: better info but it seems that the bug is internal within apache |
| 19:35.11 | lehel | beardy: tell me some good choices |
| 19:35.15 | blazemonger | he thinks linux is gay |
| 19:35.23 | PerfDave | lehel: Yesss, KDE, joooin us |
| 19:35.27 | lehel | :P |
| 19:35.32 | blazemonger | and that only elite wannna-be's use linux |
| 19:35.34 | PerfDave | blazemonger: Leave them to their ignorance? There's rarely any point in trying to argue with people who are convinced to one particular viewpoint for no reason. |
| 19:35.49 | PerfDave | blazemonger: You might want to get him to read up on DRM, spyware etc. if he thinks that Vista is great. |
| 19:35.51 | blazemonger | my theory is if the os does the job then it's good |
| 19:35.56 | lehel | beardy: can we do smthg with this sound issue?.. can i reconfigure? |
| 19:36.04 | Red_Cloud | There is a package in debian that I cannot recall the name. I thought that it was Midnight Commander. Anyone know the correct name? |
| 19:36.04 | xoz_ | FlimFlamMan: try enable core dump? |
| 19:36.17 | deadcat | Red_Cloud: midnight commander |
| 19:36.22 | Coweater | Red_Cloud: mc |
| 19:36.33 | Pirx-Danford | PerfDave: I don't understand why. When I run the partition helper it finds /dev/hda, but fdisk /dev/hda keeps telling me there is nothing available. I am baffled right now. |
| 19:36.44 | beardy | !window manager |
| 19:36.45 | dpkg | hmm... window manager is includes: 9wm, aewm, afterstep, amaterus, amiwm, asclassic, blackbox, ctwm, cwwm, enlightenment, evilwm, fluxbox, flwm, fvwm, icewm, ion, kwin, larswm, lwm, matchbox, metacity, nawm, olvwm, olwm, openbox, oroborus, plwm, pwm, qvwm, ratpoison, sapphire, sawfish, twm, uwm, vtwm, w9wm, waimea, wininfo, wm2, wmaker, and xfwm4. TWIN (Text mode). Pickers: selectwm and wmanager. No WM-picker-picker. Yet. |
| 19:36.51 | lehel | beardy: nothing? |
| 19:36.53 | beardy | lehel: ^^^ and there's more |
| 19:37.00 | lehel | oh :) |
| 19:37.08 | blazemonger | i told him i would only run windows if i had windows server 2003 but even then i'd have to think twice because linux is more of a all around OS |
| 19:37.14 | lehel | beardy: can we do smthg with this sound issue?.. can i reconfigure? |
| 19:37.38 | lehel | beardy: what is ur fav X? |
| 19:37.51 | beardy | lehel: '/msg dpkg alsa 2.6' check your mixer settings, if you have to, rerun alsaconf perhaps |
| 19:37.51 | PerfDave | blazemonger: Unless he has logical reasons for thinking that Windows is better than Linux, and from what you've said he doesn't, then there's probably no convincing him. |
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| 19:38.14 | PerfDave | blazemonger: But you'll get the last laugh when he gets pwned by having his credit card numbers eaten from his Vista box. |
| 19:38.38 | beardy | lehel: You probably mean window manager, I've used, and like wmaker a lot. But try a few and see what you like yourself. |
| 19:38.39 | Ungy | PerfDave, I have lots of Logical reasons why it is better then Linux and likewise I have lots o flogical reasons why it is worse |
| 19:38.53 | JonJ | Does anyone know if there's a nice debian way of getting fbsplash to work? |
| 19:38.58 | beardy | lehel: You can have as many as you want installed at the same time. |
| 19:39.15 | Pirx-Danford | I heard something about booting directly from windows... is there really any way to do this? Because all I need is to boot linux up again, then running grub-install would fix everything :( |
| 19:39.26 | lehel | beardy: strange,, i didn't had "alsaconf" |
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| 19:39.59 | lehel | "Now ALSA is ready to use." |
| 19:40.02 | lehel | heh |
| 19:40.09 | blazemonger | the only logical reason he has is "microsoft is more wideley used" and he thinks that just if you buy windows xp or vista that microsoft makes sure your system is "secure" |
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| 19:40.50 | pipeline | blazemonger: Windows 2003 is secure out of the box. You uhave to work hard to fuck it up. |
| 19:40.51 | lehel | still not good |
| 19:41.10 | blazemonger | very true pipeline i am impresssed with 2003 server |
| 19:41.13 | lehel | beardy: "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device" |
| 19:41.14 | beardy | Pirx-Danford: Use a livecd, or an installcd. |
| 19:41.24 | blazemonger | the only M$ products i can tolerate are the server oss |
| 19:41.34 | beardy | lehel: Are you running sarge? |
| 19:41.36 | PerfDave | Ungy: I didn't say that there aren't any such reasons, but if someone's convinced without logic that Windows is better than Linux, then you're never going to change their minds. |
| 19:42.17 | lehel | beardy: yes, and another mention: when i press TAB twice you know short commands, a loud-strange beep(noise) is hearing |
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| 19:42.29 | close_to_debian | configure: error: * Can't find SDL_image library: http://www.libsdl.org |
| 19:42.37 | close_to_debian | whauch package should i install |
| 19:42.40 | beardy | lehel: That's how it's supposed to be. |
| 19:43.30 | lehel | beardy: i know, but not this loud strange noise!.. i know the real sound of that.. |
| 19:43.30 | xoz_ | ok, kernel-2.6.15 works now with udev and yaird |
| 19:43.35 | lehel | this is fake |
| 19:43.38 | lehel | fake sound |
| 19:43.39 | tarzeau | abrotman: http://nuno.typepad.com/theabbott/images/lovedoc.jpg |
| 19:43.42 | lehel | fake noise |
| 19:43.45 | beardy | lehel: heh, I doubt that.. |
| 19:43.52 | Pirx-Danford | beardy: got the install dvd at hand, but its not working for me. Are there some bootparameters with which I could start the hd installation directly from the dvd? *sob* |
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| 19:44.26 | lehel | beardy: "alsa: Mixer attach default error: No such device" |
| 19:44.27 | FlimFlamMan | xoz_, where would i enable that? strace? |
| 19:44.30 | beardy | Pirx-Danford: Are you going to install Debian or reinstall grub? |
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| 19:44.46 | Pirx-Danford | I want to reinstall grub |
| 19:44.48 | xoz_ | FlimFlamMan: ulimit -c unlimited |
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| 19:45.07 | close_to_debian | configure: error: * Can't find SDL_image library: http://www.libsdl.org |
| 19:45.09 | lehel | beardy: "Saving the mixer setup used for this in /var/lib/alsa/asound.state. |
| 19:45.10 | lehel | /usr/sbin/alsactl: save_state:1194: No soundcards found..." |
| 19:45.14 | close_to_debian | which package should i install |
| 19:45.17 | xoz_ | FlimFlamMan: help ulimit |
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| 19:45.23 | Pirx-Danford | beardy: I want to reinstall grub |
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| 19:45.50 | lehel | Pirx-Danford: apt-get remove grup... apt-get install grub |
| 19:46.03 | lehel | -p +b |
| 19:46.05 | beardy | Pirx-Danford: root=/dev/hd(your_rootpartition), check the help screens F1 - F? |
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| 19:46.17 | blazemonger | i did catch him on one thing though..i told him at least im not having to upgrade every few weeks so i can run some application |
| 19:46.34 | lehel | beardy: so where is my soundcard? |
| 19:46.35 | beardy | Pirx-Danford: Or just "rescue" perhaps. |
| 19:46.42 | xoz_ | FlimFlamMan: then, run the apache within that shell and use the option where it should not fork in the background. you can then analyze the core file it generates using gdb after the segfault or you can send the core file to the apache people for analysis |
| 19:46.44 | priscila | Pirx-Danford: do you want reinstall the package grub or it on the mbr? |
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| 19:47.01 | beardy | lehel: huh? Where? In your machine I hope. |
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| 19:47.14 | lehel | beardy: why not is seen by debian? |
| 19:47.20 | Pirx-Danford | beardy: I will try that with "root=" but needs ext3 a special treatment? |
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| 19:47.27 | lehel | *used |
| 19:47.38 | Red_Cloud | chealer9 please send the dpgk info for the upgrade to etch again. |
| 19:48.01 | priscila | lehel: if you are using alsa try to use alsaconf |
| 19:48.01 | beardy | Pirx-Danford: No, nothing special for ext3. The kernel needs to have support for the rootfs, which it has if it's a Debian kernel. |
| 19:48.14 | Pirx-Danford | priscila: I want to "regrub" my MBR after Win98 fskd with it |
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| 19:48.21 | beardy | lehel: What soundcard is it? lspci |
| 19:48.25 | lehel | priscila: i've tried.. it's not working.. |
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| 19:48.42 | bazz | if i was looking to bye a not too expensive pci video card to do tv out (ntsc) what would people recommend? |
| 19:48.44 | lehel | "via_audio: ignoring drain playback error -11" ... < dmesg |
| 19:48.45 | priscila | Pirx-Danford: you may use a bootdisk or a live cd to do it |
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| 19:48.54 | lehel | i got a strange dmesg output |
| 19:49.01 | NeverMore_ | hello |
| 19:49.05 | beardy | bazz: #hardware |
| 19:49.12 | NeverMore_ | i have a small problem with an executable |
| 19:49.13 | lehel | another mention: i put webmin today |
| 19:49.20 | bazz | beardy: thanks |
| 19:49.25 | xoz_ | bazz: google/cnet |
| 19:49.33 | NeverMore_ | that was compiled some time ago with fedora, but now we switched to debian sid |
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| 19:49.44 | lehel | beardy: "via_audio: ignoring drain playback error -11" ... < dmesg |
| 19:49.49 | lehel | beardy: i got a strange dmesg output |
| 19:49.50 | beardy | lehel: Put where? In the recyclebin I hope.. |
| 19:49.58 | NeverMore_ | i don't know the dependancies libs so i can't make it run |
| 19:49.59 | beardy | !webmin |
| 19:49.59 | dpkg | from memory, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
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| 19:50.06 | priscila | lehel: yeap,it's a very strange error |
| 19:50.08 | xoz_ | NeverMore_: install auto-apt |
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| 19:50.21 | Pirx-Danford | priscila: a bootdisk would be great... is there some nice image of one, which could be conveniently configured to boot my hd installation? |
| 19:50.26 | surrounder | NeverMore_: nice nick ;) |
| 19:50.52 | lehel | beardy: how am i getting rid of webmin than? |
| 19:50.53 | roxy_ | when I start xawtv everrything looks like is working. Green light on the webcam, control working, picture takcing and everything. The only thing is that it is all grey. Where could that come from? |
| 19:51.07 | NeverMore_ | surrounder: what is the auto-apt and should i operate it |
| 19:51.10 | beardy | lehel: Uninstall it. |
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| 19:51.18 | xoz_ | !auto-apt |
| 19:51.18 | dpkg | well, auto-apt is very cute. Run a shell under auto-apt and start doing something. If you access a missing file, and auto-apt can install a package that would provide that file, it does. http://www.debian.org/Packages/unstable/admin/auto-apt.html |
| 19:51.19 | beardy | lehel: Purge it. |
| 19:51.19 | dooglus | !xine |
| 19:51.19 | dpkg | it has been said that xine is a video/media player at http://xinehq.de or #xine. Several user interfaces are available : xine-ui for "generic" X11, gxine for GTK, kaffeine for KDE, totem-xine for Gnome. |
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| 19:51.31 | dooglus | where can I find "xine-ui"? |
| 19:51.44 | Red_Cloud | chealer9 could you please supply the information again to upgrade from sarge to etch? |
| 19:51.53 | ultraviolet16 | Hi i was wondering how I can specify in fstab to give access to a certain partition to normal users.. like non-super users |
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| 19:52.06 | xoz_ | !vfatrw |
| 19:52.06 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS, if you replace "vfat" with "ntfs" (although you can't currently easily _write_ to NTFS with Linux).. |
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| 19:52.19 | NeverMore_ | dpkg: thanks i am going to try |
| 19:52.19 | dpkg | bitte, NeverMore_ |
| 19:52.20 | lehel | beardy: yea but i installed manually.. it's enough erasing the files |
| 19:52.45 | ultraviolet16 | ok perfect, thanks a lot |
| 19:52.48 | eeyore- | roxy_: all grey? that might be because xawtv doesn't agree with the webcam about the format of the picture |
| 19:52.53 | priscila | Pirx-Danford: search at linux.org a minimalist distro, and you'll get a sort of choices |
| 19:52.53 | beardy | lehel: Manually? Why on earth didn't you use the package? |
| 19:53.01 | beardy | !tell lehel -about grounding |
| 19:53.18 | eeyore- | roxy_: try something other than xawtv. if it's pixel layout format, maybe other tools will understand it better |
| 19:53.45 | Kerr | !ispconfig |
| 19:53.56 | Kerr | O.o |
| 19:53.58 | Kerr | guess not |
| 19:53.59 | beardy | !tell lehel -about fundamentals |
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| 19:55.49 | NeverMore_ | dpkg: how can i check which dependancies are needed for the file, that on this SID machine works, but on other ones just dies off with a Killed notice. |
| 19:55.50 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, NeverMore_ |
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| 19:56.10 | lehel | beardy: u think webmin messed up my soundcard? |
| 19:56.11 | deadcat | what the f. useradd gives user its own group instead of users eventhough i have GROUP=100 in /etc/default/useradd, it was working before.. like few months back or so. |
| 19:56.12 | horza1337 | dpkg is a bot |
| 19:56.15 | xoz_ | Pirx-Danford: try grml |
| 19:56.17 | beardy | lehel: No. |
| 19:56.22 | Red_Cloud | abrotman could you please provide the dpkg information for upgrade from sarge to etch again? |
| 19:56.28 | Kerr | NeverMore_: dpkg is a bot; he can't answer that kind of question |
| 19:56.31 | abrotman | !tell Red_Cloud about sarge->etch |
| 19:56.32 | NeverMore_ | LOL :D |
| 19:56.37 | ian_ | my server has load averages 1.14, 0.93, 1.08 while doing nothing, 'top' shows the 'wa' (waiting?) cpu at around 85%. is this caused by processes in the D state? |
| 19:56.42 | tehhh | hello ;-) i'm using debian unstable, kernel 2.6.15 from debian package and udev (no hotplug), i'm trying to set the console resolution with fbset, but i get "/dev/fb0: no such device", i load nvidiafb module (i own an nvidia geforce2 mx400 card) and it gives the same message with fbset. any idea for the proper way to do this in debian? |
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| 19:56.46 | Red_Cloud | abrotman thanks |
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| 19:57.20 | tehhh | !tell tehhh about sarge->etch |
| 19:57.31 | xoz_ | tehhh: if you have to enable the nvidiafb at boot |
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| 19:57.57 | nanok | ian_: yeah. it appears you may have a i/o problem |
| 19:58.01 | curt | tehhh, you can just /msg dpkg <whatever> |
| 19:58.08 | tehhh | curt, sorry ;-) |
| 19:58.20 | tehhh | xoz_, and? |
| 19:58.30 | tehhh | i can't set the resolution with fbset ? |
| 19:58.58 | beardy | lehel: But I don't know in what ways you have messed up your system. Never _ever_ install anything manually, or compile anything, outside of /usr/local, or in your users homedirectory. |
| 19:58.58 | xoz_ | tehhh: are you sure you are using fb right now or just plain vga=normal mode |
| 19:59.30 | tehhh | vga=normal in lilo.conf |
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| 19:59.47 | beardy | lehel: _outside_ of your users homedirectory, I mean of course. |
| 20:00.01 | tehhh | under slackware with those conditions i just type fbset -a someres-somefreq and it changes it |
| 20:00.16 | tehhh | it shoudn't be much different with debian. |
| 20:00.36 | Kerr | lehel: /etc/webmin/uninstall.sh ? |
| 20:00.36 | ian_ | nanok: it is kjournald that goes into the D state |
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| 20:00.45 | nanok | tehhh: vga=normal means no fb (which is the default and is "the gods meant it" ;) |
| 20:01.03 | lehel | beardy: i understand, i think i messed up with firefox.. ;\ |
| 20:01.07 | beardy | tehhh: With vesafb you can't AFAIK. |
| 20:01.08 | tehhh | and what if i wanted fb ? ;-) |
| 20:01.19 | xoz_ | tehhh: you should have vga=smothing not normal for fb to be used. |
| 20:01.22 | Red_Cloud | !tell Red_Cloud about testing security |
| 20:01.27 | tehhh | beardy, anyone said anything about vesafb? |
| 20:01.27 | nanok | ian_: try to check the logs, see if there is something strange, maybe fs errors, or drive /ide controller errs |
| 20:01.30 | beardy | !selftell |
| 20:01.30 | dpkg | Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send a private message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. For example, instead of "!tell me about foo", use "/msg dpkg foo". |
| 20:01.54 | beardy | tehhh: That is what Debian kernels uses. |
| 20:01.59 | nanok | ian_: if there are none, try to use hdparm -tT, bonnie, zcav, etc, to see if the hdd is ok |
| 20:02.02 | tehhh | wow ;) |
| 20:02.03 | lehel | Kerr: yeap, i know.. is that bad this webmin? |
| 20:02.18 | unstable | When I start debian, and I have my laptop plugged into the projector.(I do'nt have X)...it doesn't show on the projector...but my friends dell with fedora shows on the projector in text mode |
| 20:02.26 | nanok | ian_: hdd+fs, actually. |
| 20:02.27 | lehel | today was the first time i heard about it and put it on my system |
| 20:02.28 | tehhh | xoz_, where can i see the available values for vga= |
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| 20:02.51 | unstable | How can I get debian to dispaly in text mode on a projector via svga? |
| 20:02.52 | lehel | beardy: dpkg reconfigure..?? xfree.. should work? |
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| 20:03.28 | nanok | unstable: set the laptop on "vgaout" or "vgaout+lcd"? |
| 20:03.29 | nanok | :) |
| 20:03.31 | beardy | tehhh: Use vga=ask, for fb, /linuxsourcetree/Documentation/*fb.txt |
| 20:03.35 | positron | My sudo is not logging to /var/log/sudo.log nor neither to /var/log/messages.. How do I enable sudo logging?? |
| 20:03.50 | unstable | nanok: How do I do that? |
| 20:03.55 | tehhh | thanks |
| 20:04.22 | nanok | unstable: dunno. it depends on your laptop. fn_key+come other key (F key, usualy) |
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| 20:04.40 | unstable | nanok: I don't think I can use my fn key |
| 20:04.41 | nanok | that is, F[1,12] |
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| 20:05.42 | xoz_ | unstable: look for a rectangle icon in one of those F keys |
| 20:05.46 | beardy | lehel: To accomplish what? |
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| 20:06.17 | ian_ | nanok: the log shows: "hda: dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x24" "hda: DMA interrupt recovery" "hda: lost interrupt" over and over. running "hdparm -t /dev/hda" now, but it's taking a LONG time |
| 20:06.38 | blazemonger | m,an some mormon missionaries just came into myhome and they noticed my computer was running Debian |
| 20:06.45 | blazemonger | and they were like 'we use dEbian at our church" |
| 20:06.46 | ian_ | nanok: this is a newly commissioned server, I think I'll just report the problem and request a new one |
| 20:06.51 | tehhh | how do i import http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ziyi-2005-7.asc into a debian testing system ? |
| 20:07.16 | cr3 | how can I write an awk script with the shebang? #!/usr/bin/env awk BEGIN { print "foo"; } |
| 20:07.21 | xoz_ | ian_: your hd is toasted or you can try another kernel. it might be a problem of the kernel driver. just cross your finger. |
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| 20:07.29 | nanok | ian_: no need for -tT, that is not good |
| 20:07.30 | tehhh | blazemonger, lol ;-)) at church? |
| 20:07.34 | blazemonger | yup |
| 20:07.37 | runedude | hello all.. |
| 20:07.40 | blazemonger | their church computers use debian lol |
| 20:07.49 | xoz_ | stop feeding the troll please |
| 20:07.49 | nanok | ian_: that can be a controller/connector/drive issue, i think |
| 20:07.54 | runedude | i have kind of an issue.. my terminals, everything.. are saying "read only filesystem" |
| 20:07.56 | blazemonger | Mormons that use Debian |
| 20:07.57 | ian_ | xoz_: it seems that way. no worries since I have nothing on it yet |
| 20:07.58 | runedude | and i didnt change anything at all |
| 20:08.04 | nanok | ian_: that is, if the machine is not _very_ old |
| 20:08.12 | runedude | Error writing /root/.nano_history: Read-only file system |
| 20:08.14 | runedude | stuff like that |
| 20:08.51 | nanok | ian_: if the machine is sealed, and not very old, it is not your problem, whichever of the probable three it is, it is the hw providers problem ;) |
| 20:08.56 | blazemonger | They told me "Microsoft is the anti-christ" |
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| 20:09.12 | ian_ | nanok: it's a rented server and this is day 1 of use ... :) |
| 20:09.18 | beardy | blazemonger: Stop trolling please. |
| 20:09.19 | pdbogen | runedude : mount -o remount,rw / ? I think that'll fix it, but there might be Something Wrong. |
| 20:09.26 | blazemonger | i'm not a troll |
| 20:09.28 | beardy | blazemonger: Or stop being offtopic. |
| 20:09.31 | pdbogen | beardy : Dude's just telling a story. |
| 20:09.35 | blazemonger | i will |
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| 20:09.40 | blazemonger | i apologize |
| 20:09.45 | blazemonger | (i have adhd) |
| 20:09.50 | runedude | pdbogen: yea, im worried.. it has been online for awhile.. but all the sudden the filesystem went into read only |
| 20:09.51 | ian_ | nanok: (dedicated hosting) |
| 20:09.58 | tehhh | how do i import http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ziyi-2005-7.asc into a debian testing system ? so apt won't complain of it missing :) |
| 20:10.04 | pdbogen | runedude : Anything interesting in dmesg/ |
| 20:10.07 | roxy_ | eeyore-: sorry, I was eating. How could I check (xawtv/webcam picture format) ? |
| 20:10.10 | nanok | ian_: yes, i know the kind |
| 20:10.15 | pdbogen | ~tell tehhh about 2006 key |
| 20:10.24 | beardy | pdbogen: There are better suited channels for that. #friendlychat perhaps. |
| 20:10.26 | runedude | well just error messages about "journal", pdbogen |
| 20:10.39 | unstable | xoz_ / nanok when I type the "fn" key and I have the program "xev" open nothing happens. |
| 20:10.48 | unstable | Does this mean my fn key is dead? |
| 20:10.50 | pdbogen | runedude : Is your journal on an external device, or something wacky like that? |
| 20:10.52 | runedude | EXT3-fs error (device ide0(3,1)) in start_transaction: Journal has aborted |
| 20:10.57 | pdbogen | unstable : "Fn" is usually internal to the keyboard. |
| 20:10.57 | nanok | ian_: tell them to check the fscking machines before they rent thme. and that you are very mad and have lost a lot of data and on the verge of losing your job :P |
| 20:10.58 | xoz_ | unstable: so you need a correct keymap |
| 20:11.05 | runedude | to be honest, i have no idea what journal is.. |
| 20:11.05 | roxy_ | eeyore-: I do have output like: "ioctl: VIDOCMCAPTURE (...): Invalid argument" |
| 20:11.09 | nanok | cant hurt to keep them on theyr toes |
| 20:11.10 | nanok | ;) |
| 20:11.13 | ian_ | hehe |
| 20:11.17 | unstable | pdbogen: So how do I make it work? |
| 20:11.22 | pdbogen | runedude : The journal is part of the file system that helps it in fault tolerance. I'm not very clear on the technicalities. |
| 20:11.27 | runedude | hmm |
| 20:11.33 | pdbogen | unstable : I don't think it usually generates any events in hardware. |
| 20:11.36 | runedude | well.. everything is on the local filesystem |
| 20:11.57 | runedude | hmm.. interesting.. |
| 20:11.57 | runedude | root@rangi:/# mount -o remount,rw / |
| 20:11.57 | runedude | mount: block device /dev/hda1 is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 20:12.02 | tehhh | "cat ziyi-2005-7.asc | apt-key add -" did the work ;-) |
| 20:12.22 | pdbogen | runedude : Curious. Some kind of BIOS feature? IBM laptop with gyroscopes and you dropped it? |
| 20:12.25 | nanok | unstable: have you figured out what the key combination is? if so, try it, and worry more if it doesnt work. but try it _before_ worrying |
| 20:12.29 | nanok | ;) |
| 20:12.38 | runedude | nope |
| 20:12.41 | runedude | its a server box, pdbogen |
| 20:13.10 | pdbogen | Just a normal IDE hard drive, yeah? |
| 20:13.13 | runedude | yeah |
| 20:13.16 | runedude | /dev/hda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) |
| 20:13.19 | runedude | hmm :\ |
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| 20:14.09 | pdbogen | runedude : You might try booting with some kind of live CD and using e2fsck. |
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| 20:14.12 | tehhh | errors=remount-ro is the key ;-) |
| 20:14.40 | runedude | :\ |
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| 20:14.56 | runedude | Taking down this system is something I really dont want to do :\ |
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| 20:15.35 | matadon | Anyone using LDAP+Sudo care to tell me how to get NOPASSWD working? |
| 20:15.45 | oliknoli | how can i make the htdoc folder in apache a windows netwok share or install a ftp?? |
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| 20:16.17 | pdbogen | Well, you can run e2fsck while it's mounted, but that can be dangerous. |
| 20:16.24 | runedude | hmmm.. |
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| 20:16.28 | runedude | looks like im screwed, heh |
| 20:16.35 | matadon | oliknoli: Add a share with the path listed as your Apache DocumentRoot into your Samba configuration. |
| 20:16.40 | tehhh | i doubt that the system is in any use when mounted RO anyway ... |
| 20:16.52 | runedude | well |
| 20:16.53 | pdbogen | tehhh : Apparently it spontaneously remounted itself ro. |
| 20:16.56 | runedude | the processes are still running.. |
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| 20:17.09 | runedude | fsck returns something like |
| 20:17.10 | runedude | /: recovering journal |
| 20:17.10 | runedude | JBD: bad block at offset 5290 |
| 20:17.10 | runedude | fsck.ext3: Unknown code fMQH 220 while recovering ext3 journal of / |
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| 20:17.23 | pdbogen | Yeah, that doesn't sound good. |
| 20:17.30 | runedude | damnit |
| 20:17.35 | pdbogen | And I wouldn't trust the e2fsck on a damaged filesystem to try and repair it. |
| 20:17.43 | oliknoli | is there an easy way to install an ftp server on my debian server? |
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| 20:17.50 | pdbogen | oliknoli : apt-get install proftpd |
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| 20:17.57 | runedude | so what am i now.. am i screwed? :\ |
| 20:18.04 | runedude | i have TOO much important stuff on this computer |
| 20:18.16 | pdbogen | runedude : You should still be able to get it off; the box is up and running, after all. |
| 20:18.23 | tehhh | runedude, backup and consider reformat or new hdd ? |
| 20:18.26 | runedude | i have nowhere to get it off to.. |
| 20:18.26 | runedude | :\ |
| 20:18.27 | markdark_ | hi there.. hopefully one of you guys can help... I have a Sun Netra T1 server and want to install Debian. When I have my LOM prompt i type 'boot cdrom' then I got the 'boot:' prompt and hit enter... then the debian installer begins, but after choosing language etc. it says that my Cd-ROM could not be mounted... any ideas? |
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| 20:18.52 | pdbogen | runedude : Do you only have the one server? You could use a VMWare server to provide the services while you repair it. |
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| 20:19.07 | runedude | pdbogen: i only have 1 server |
| 20:19.11 | runedude | its my biggest harddrive |
| 20:19.43 | pdbogen | runedude : Ah, well. Your only hope, I think, is to shut it down, run fsck with bg-rescue or somesuch, and hope the drive isn't actually damaged. |
| 20:20.45 | runedude | hmm |
| 20:20.59 | runedude | oh well.. *sighs* |
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| 20:21.07 | lehel | hello |
| 20:21.12 | oliknoli | where can i configure proftpd?? |
| 20:21.14 | twobitsprite | heh... does anyone know of a calculator that will do ternary math? :) |
| 20:21.16 | lehel | beardy: guess.. my soundcard is back |
| 20:21.34 | beardy | lehel: That's nice. Working? |
| 20:21.52 | lehel | beardy: all is working.. firefox flash plugin sound too |
| 20:22.22 | lehel | i've just stopped all webmin processes.. firewall rules.. blah blah |
| 20:22.29 | lehel | and reboot |
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| 20:23.36 | JeanJean | oliknoli, /etc/proftpd.conf |
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| 20:24.49 | davFr | hi! |
| 20:24.57 | JeanJean | oliknoli, or take a look at this: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/proftpweb.htm |
| 20:25.17 | jazbo | As I understand it, cron is for jobs that should be run periodically. What would one use to set up a job that should be run only once? e.g. I want to have a command executed in say 5 minutes |
| 20:25.28 | beardy | jazbo: at |
| 20:25.32 | jazbo | tnx |
| 20:26.13 | avar | or just sleep $((60*5)) && command |
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| 20:26.19 | weedar_ | While we're on the subject. IIRC Cron only runs a command if the computer is on at the specified time, but is it possible to time a command to run at (for example) 9 AM or the next time the computer is on? |
| 20:26.25 | tehhh | avar, sleep 5m ;) |
| 20:26.39 | avar | tehhh: gnu-ism? |
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| 20:26.52 | xoz | jazbo: use *at* |
| 20:27.05 | xoz | heh, too late |
| 20:27.08 | avar | weedar_: apt-get install anacron |
| 20:27.11 | tehhh | avar, debian gnu linux ;) |
| 20:27.17 | beardy | avar: Your's is too. bash-ism. |
| 20:27.20 | beardy | Yours |
| 20:27.22 | avar | beardy: I know |
| 20:27.29 | oliknoli | how is the directory commands??? :D long time since i last had linux:D |
| 20:27.36 | weedar_ | thanks avar =) |
| 20:27.37 | avar | I was just wondering if that argument to sleep was gnu-ism |
| 20:27.40 | beardy | avar: And ugly, when there exists such nice things as at. ;) |
| 20:28.20 | tehhh | it's gnu sleep yes |
| 20:28.21 | ice_1963 | quit |
| 20:28.21 | beardy | oliknoli: What are you trying to do? |
| 20:28.28 | oliknoli | navigate:D |
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| 20:28.32 | davro | Does anyone have a suggestion for a decent X based ftp/sftp client other than gFTP as it keeps crashing/stops responding, |
| 20:28.52 | avar | davro: kde kioslaves |
| 20:28.52 | xoz | davro: lftp? |
| 20:29.05 | avar | xoz: graphical? |
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| 20:29.24 | xoz | avar: nopt |
| 20:29.27 | xoz | avar: nope |
| 20:29.46 | avar | xoz: then it doesn't really help;) |
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| 20:30.04 | ggeecko | anyone here use debiian as a router |
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| 20:30.18 | tehhh | ggeecko, alot of people i guess. |
| 20:30.21 | Red_Cloud | abrotman, in sources.list, what url should I use for the mirror of testing? |
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| 20:30.48 | xoz | avar: gui is overkill |
| 20:31.07 | beardy | There should really be a help(1), as in OpenBSD.. |
| 20:31.13 | ggeecko | tehhh, where can i find a guide |
| 20:31.27 | tehhh | ggeecko, linux-ip.net ? |
| 20:31.30 | xoz | ggeecko: try shorewall |
| 20:31.33 | cire | how may I change default root device from hda to sda? Everytime I install a new kernel, the root devices of all installed kernels are changed from sda1 to hda1... (using grub and dpkg -i kernelimage.deb) |
| 20:31.40 | shogunx | ggeecko as a NAT or with RIP/OSPF routing of zebra? |
| 20:31.50 | ggeecko | nat |
| 20:32.01 | tehhh | ggeecko, iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net |
| 20:32.03 | beardy | oliknoli: /msg dpkg reference |
| 20:32.08 | nanok | cire: read the menu.lst file, in boot/grub |
| 20:32.20 | nanok | cire: carefully. |
| 20:32.20 | ggeecko | thx |
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| 20:32.31 | nanok | cire: it has your answer, afair |
| 20:32.58 | xoz | cire: rdev, rootflags? |
| 20:33.07 | The87Boy | Somebody who knows where I can find a driver for a Nokia 3200 mobile phone? I just can't find it |
| 20:33.21 | davro | avar: cheers looking into kioslaves, i agree gui are a little over kill but when your work with a bunch of kilt wearing tinted sunglass wearing mac users... who are tooting about there ftp transmit client, you have to get a wiggle on. |
| 20:33.31 | nanok | The87Boy: a what? |
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| 20:33.32 | beardy | oliknoli: Chapter 4.3.2 Basic Unix commands |
| 20:33.53 | cire | nanok: You mean changing "kopt"? Or is it possible to change groot? is (hd0,0), may I change it to (sd0,0) ?? I don't think this will work... |
| 20:33.56 | resiak | davro: nautilus can do ftp |
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| 20:34.01 | The87Boy | nanok, a driver or what it's called |
| 20:34.06 | xoz | but still loves cli |
| 20:34.12 | nanok | cire: that is not what you want |
| 20:34.15 | avar | it's pretty decent once you get rid of the stupid OS that comes with the box |
| 20:34.23 | pipeline | hahahah |
| 20:34.24 | avar | just like most x86 boxes |
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| 20:34.34 | Red_Cloud | chealer9 I need to know what url to use in sources.list for security. I cannot determine what to use from the information supplied by dpkg |
| 20:34.36 | roxy_ | eeyore-: I tried with mplayer and got exactly the same result, all grey :( |
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| 20:34.44 | nanok | cire: it says somewhere there about default options, that are appended to the kernel command |
| 20:34.47 | davro | resiak, slaps self around face, will try nautilus as well, cheers. |
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| 20:34.56 | cire | nanok: this is kopt |
| 20:35.01 | Telonir | how can i stop sshd from running on boot? |
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| 20:35.10 | nanok | cire: than that is what you want |
| 20:35.11 | pipeline | avar: Heh, you can get proper operating systems for x86 from the big OEMs now. RHEL from Dell, RHEL/Debian/Solaris from HP, and RHEL/Solaris from Sun :P |
| 20:35.11 | Telonir | i want to get rid of it completely |
| 20:35.13 | xoz | OS X is not the problem if you know how to configure it to behave like debian :0 |
| 20:35.22 | beardy | Telonir: Purge it then. |
| 20:35.23 | cire | nanok: Thanks so far |
| 20:35.24 | davFr | Telonir : dpkg-reconfigure sshd |
| 20:35.25 | pipeline | xoz: I'm afraid it still sucks no matter how many bandaids you apply. |
| 20:35.28 | tehhh | Telonir, purge the package |
| 20:35.30 | chealer9 | Red_Cloud: don't ask me |
| 20:35.30 | dondelelcaro | Telonir: if you're running >= testing, apt-get remove openssh-server; |
| 20:35.31 | elfolnx | hello debian people, i'm looking for some help on jack (jack-audio-connection-kit) on a sarge... apparently installing jackd imply deinstall all kde |
| 20:35.36 | avar | xoz: why not just use debian? |
| 20:35.36 | pipeline | xoz: It's just a broken, eighties piece of shit no matter how you slice it. |
| 20:35.37 | xoz | pipeline: try harder |
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| 20:35.45 | dondelelcaro | Telonir: otherwise, use update-rc.d or touch /etc/ssh/sshd_not_to_be_run |
| 20:35.58 | Red_Cloud | chealer9 OK |
| 20:35.59 | pipeline | xoz: Well, my idea of "fixing" it is to completely remove it and replace it with a proper OS. |
| 20:36.05 | nanok | cire: grub doesnt care if the drive is sata or ide. it numbers it from hd0, provided he considers it to be a hdd |
| 20:36.07 | Red_Cloud | abrotman I need to know what url to use in sources.list for security. I cannot determine what to use from the information supplied by dpkg |
| 20:36.09 | pipeline | xoz: You know, an OS with working threading and a modern filesystem. |
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| 20:36.20 | oliknoli | what program do i use to edit proftp.conf? |
| 20:36.21 | dondelelcaro | !security |
| 20:36.21 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade". If you're still running woody, consider "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US/contrib non-US/main non-US/non-free" for non-us security, or ask me about testing security or unstable security |
| 20:36.28 | dondelelcaro | Red_Cloud: see above. It's really that simple. |
| 20:36.28 | xoz | avar: i am using it... but you don't have to be xclusive if some things cn be done more straightforward in other systems. |
| 20:36.32 | beardy | oliknoli: An editor. |
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| 20:36.49 | beardy | oliknoli: Like nano, emacs, vi, and so on. |
| 20:36.49 | oliknoli | is there any standard to run from terminal |
| 20:36.55 | xoz | it is not this is good all the time and that is bad all the time |
| 20:37.11 | pipeline | xoz: No, OSX is pretty much bad all around, all the time. |
| 20:37.13 | dondelelcaro | oliknoli: the standard is /usr/bin/sensible-editor; what it runs depends on what you've got installed and what EDITOR is set to. |
| 20:37.16 | beardy | oliknoli: You probably have some vi, and nano atleast. |
| 20:37.19 | pipeline | xoz: It's a decrepit system from the eighties come back to haunt us. |
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| 20:37.22 | pipeline | xoz: I want it to go away. |
| 20:37.39 | oliknoli | how do i start one of them then? |
| 20:37.41 | lehel | good night.. or whatever u want! .. ciao |
| 20:37.43 | xoz | pipeline: i got your point. just dont convince me because i am not just a *lousy* user of OS |
| 20:37.58 | pbang | Hey all, I just added a new partition to /dev/sdb and fdisk spewed "WARNING: Re-reading the partition table failed with error 16: Device or resource busy." Is there any way to have the kernel read the new table without a reboot? The only other filesystem on sdb is one for data storage (so it's no problem to unmount it) |
| 20:37.59 | beardy | oliknoli: How were you able to login? |
| 20:37.59 | xoz | pipeline: i use unix systems in my *work* |
| 20:38.04 | pipeline | xoz: Oh, it has nothing to do with you. OSX sucks out loud with or without your intervention. If you had never been born, OSX would still be shit. |
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| 20:38.41 | beardy | A better factoid than grounding? Really fundamental? |
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| 20:38.53 | xoz | pipeline: i got your point as i said. your mileage varies with mine. are you involved in writing scientific papers? |
| 20:38.59 | beardy | oliknoli: You type the name of the program, and hit Enter. |
| 20:39.20 | nanok | pbang: umount the other one, and try again. sfdisk has a "reread partition table" option, i think, afair fdisk also has one |
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| 20:39.42 | dondelelcaro | xoz: surprisingly, I am... |
| 20:39.43 | unstable | nanok: it doesn't work |
| 20:39.51 | unstable | How can I get my fn hotkeys to work with my toshiba laptop? |
| 20:39.54 | xoz | dondelelcaro: heh. |
| 20:40.03 | beardy | oliknoli: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tutorial.en.html#s-unixcmds <---- Read it. Do it. |
| 20:40.05 | pbang | nanok: thanks. |
| 20:40.21 | nonix4 | unstable: with luck and the correct kernel module |
| 20:40.24 | nanok | unstable: on toshiba it should be Fn+F5 afaik. doesnt it work? |
| 20:40.39 | pipeline | xoz: No. My boss does all of his work on Windows, top to bottom, beginning to end. Laboratory instrument control, storage, everything. |
| 20:40.39 | mz_work | unstable: fnfx |
| 20:40.52 | unstable | nanok: nope |
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| 20:53.42 | unstable | mz_work: I have fnfxd installed, now what? |
| 20:53.42 | pipeline | xoz: Besides, I lack the credentials required to be involved with the academic material. I'm just a pleb who handles nuts and bolts. |
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| 21:07.59 | pbang | nanok: please elaborate on "short while" |
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| 21:08.00 | tzafrir_laptop | How can I get a list of all the packages that provide mail-user-agent? |
| 21:08.00 | ian_ | nanok: I submitted a trouble ticket about the HD. thanks for the help. |
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| 21:08.00 | nicolas__ | i got my glxgears showing the normal fps (around 1000) but the gears theirself arent fluid as usual, does anyone have an idea on why or how ? |
| 21:08.00 | pbang | nanok: do you mean the time it will take to transfer the files? |
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| 21:08.01 | Bucciarati | tzafrir_laptop: with debtags |
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| 21:08.05 | dondelelcaro | tzafrir_laptop: with grep-available -FProvides mail-user-agent -s Package |
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| 21:08.05 | [ill]will | can someone help with an install error? |
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| 21:08.06 | dondelelcaro | [ill]will: just ask your question... |
| 21:08.06 | [ill]will | during install i get an error "locales: Conflicts: base-config but 2.76 is installed" how would i fix this? |
| 21:08.06 | nanok | pbang: i mean, the worse that could happen would be something to hang between umount and mount. the time req for the copy is not relevant, as your initial /var/log will be available during that |
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| 21:08.07 | JeanJean | anyone idee why I get a white page when I try to open proftpd_admin |
| 21:08.07 | JeanJean | http://jeanjean.hopto.org/proftpd_admin_v1.0/index.php |
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| 21:08.08 | Bucciarati | tzafrir_laptop: debtags search mail::user-agent |
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| 21:08.08 | quiet | i can't seem to get smokeping to email me when a node stops responding... :\ |
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| 21:08.08 | [ill]will | im using the etch install http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_beta1/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 21:08.10 | dondelelcaro | [ill]will: use one of the nightlies, as that beta may not be currently installable. |
| 21:08.10 | nanok | quiet: make sure you get it to e able to send mail, in the first place, and worry about the rest after |
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| 21:08.10 | dondelelcaro | [ill]will: briefly, base-config has gone away. |
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| 21:08.11 | [ill]will | its something on the server end? |
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| 21:08.12 | tzafrir_laptop | so, anybody using nx on Sarge? |
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| 21:08.13 | Telonir | nx? |
| 21:08.13 | dondelelcaro | [ill]will: it's the case where you're installing using a version of the etch beta which is old, and has stopped working because the packages that it is pulling in later are no longer the same. |
| 21:08.13 | tzafrir_laptop | freenx. |
| 21:08.13 | Telonir | whats that? |
| 21:08.13 | unstable | FATAL: Error inserting toshiba_acpi (/lib/modules/2.6.15-1-686/kernel/drivers/acpi/toshiba_acpi.ko): No such device |
| 21:08.13 | unstable | What does that mean? |
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| 21:08.15 | dondelelcaro | unstable: that means that you're not running on a toshiba or something. |
| 21:08.15 | [ill]will | so should i use a dialybuild iso |
| 21:08.15 | dondelelcaro | [ill]will: yes. |
| 21:08.16 | nanok | unstable: uh.. that means there is no module by that name, in that location.. |
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| 21:08.16 | nanok | ah |
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| 21:08.16 | nanok | sorry |
| 21:08.16 | nanok | as dondelcaro said |
| 21:08.17 | [ill]will | ok thank you ill try that |
| 21:08.17 | Telonir | terminal server? |
| 21:08.17 | estrar | I want to shutdown, or reboot a server via cron job. How to do that? |
| 21:08.17 | abrotman | !phillysmite Award_ |
| 21:08.17 | dondelelcaro | estrar: you don't ever want to do that. |
| 21:08.17 | Bucciarati | estrar: don't do that .. |
| 21:08.17 | quiet | tried to send a basic email with mutt to an external email address of mine.. and this is what returns: http://pastebin.com/593251 |
| 21:08.17 | xoz | unstable: probably, initrd image contains that module but you can just ignore the message. |
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| 21:08.18 | tzafrir_laptop | Telonir, see http://nomachine.com/ . freenx is a reimplementation of their rather small non-free parts |
| 21:08.18 | nicolas__ | estrar: the shutdown command has its own timer |
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| 21:08.18 | abrotman | Bucciarati: admittedly .. there are worse ideas :) |
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| 21:08.18 | Telonir | tzafrir_laptop, graphical terminal server? whats wrong with X? |
| 21:08.18 | nanok | quiet: mutt is just a MUA, it canot send mail itself |
| 21:08.19 | Award | abrotman: :) |
| 21:08.19 | Thug-N-Me | i need a bit of helo with vmailadmin ,,, any links or something ? |
| 21:08.19 | quiet | nanok, i know... i have exim installed... but i don't know what i need to do to make it send mail. |
| 21:08.19 | nanok | quiet: it will leave that to the local MTA |
| 21:08.19 | weedar_ | my debian box should run without beeing logged in (locally) - how do I preven screen blanking? |
| 21:08.19 | tzafrir_laptop | Telonir, for starters, long connection setup time |
| 21:08.19 | nanok | quiet: if all you want to do is send mail with mutt, try msmtp |
| 21:08.19 | positron | Where are all the manpages stored? How do I add new manpages? |
| 21:08.20 | xoz | weedar_: man xset |
| 21:08.20 | tzafrir_laptop | for each client |
| 21:08.20 | nanok | quiet: or something similar |
| 21:08.20 | abrotman | !tell weedar_ about screen blanking |
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| 21:08.20 | quiet | nanok, no... all i want it to do is send mail from smokeping.. which uses /usr/bin/sendmail |
| 21:08.20 | quiet | but it's not working.. |
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| 21:08.21 | Telonir | what runs faster nx or Xorg over tcp? |
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| 21:08.22 | nanok | quiet: oh, sorry. i got confused, :) |
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| 21:08.22 | petemc | Telonir: nx |
| 21:08.22 | tzafrir_laptop | Telonir, and I want to test a terminal server setup anyway, so I don't really care I'll get the whole desktop and not just one window |
| 21:08.22 | weedar_ | abrotman, are you sure that works even when nobody is logged in to the computer? |
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| 21:08.23 | shogunx | tzafrir_laptop are you trying to do this on a LAN or WAN? |
| 21:08.23 | unstable | dondelelcaro: I am on toshiba. |
| 21:08.23 | tzafrir_laptop | Telonir, over wan |
| 21:08.24 | xoz | weedar_: try xset s noblank |
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| 21:08.24 | quiet | nanok, anyways.. i guess my point is that I am not recieving emails from smokeping, I don't know anything about MTAs.. i'm just looking at the smokeping config file. |
| 21:08.24 | unstable | xoz: How can I ignore that message, I need that module to work to use fn key |
| 21:08.25 | tzafrir_laptop | Telonir, NX has very good X compression |
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| 21:08.25 | weedar_ | xoz, this is purely console =) (I don't even have xset) |
| 21:08.25 | nanok | unstable: maybe it is old enough not to have acpi? :P |
| 21:08.25 | xoz | weedar_: ah |
| 21:08.26 | tzafrir_laptop | Telonir, however I have yet to try it |
| 21:08.26 | xoz | unstable: are you using toshiba? |
| 21:08.26 | Telonir | and its free? |
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| 21:08.26 | Telonir | how do i login? |
| 21:08.26 | tzafrir_laptop | Telonir, yes |
| 21:08.26 | unstable | nanok: This is a Toshiba satelite a65, it's only a year old. 3ghz 512 in ram |
| 21:08.26 | unstable | xoz: yes |
| 21:08.27 | Telonir | if you test it. give me a login |
| 21:08.27 | Telonir | i want to see it too |
| 21:08.27 | nanok | unstable: ah. i see. well, my thinkpad is close to that, and has no acpi |
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| 21:08.28 | joloc | My pcmcia wireless card (SiteCom WL011) stopped working with upgrade to 2.6.15. |
| 21:08.28 | nanok | about 10 yrs close, that is.. |
| 21:08.28 | nanok | :) |
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| 21:08.28 | tzafrir_laptop | Telonir, but then again, I still wonder why there are no freenx and nxclient packages even in Sid |
| 21:08.29 | xoz | unstable: are you sure this module works before? |
| 21:08.29 | unstable | nanok: What do you mean "has no acpi"? |
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| 21:08.29 | unstable | xoz: no, I've never used it before... xoz I'm trying to use fnfxd, but it says I need to modprobe this. |
| 21:08.29 | Lafy | how can i get similar results to crontab, but have a job run every 5 minutes? |
| 21:08.30 | quiet | unstable, old computers didn't have acpi support... |
| 21:08.30 | unstable | xoz: Or get my kernel to use acpi-toshiba somehow |
| 21:08.30 | joloc | My atmel based pcmcia wireless card (SiteCom WL011) stopped working with upgrade to linux 2.6.15. Installed atmel-firmware, to no avail. Any ideas? |
| 21:08.30 | nanok | unstable: just kidding. dont mind me. mine is a thinkpad 770 (233mhz) :) |
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| 21:08.30 | xoz | unstable: who said that? apt-cache search toshiba |
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| 21:08.30 | unstable | xoz: I installed toshutils already |
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| 21:08.32 | xoz | unstable: try modprobe toshiba |
| 21:08.32 | xoz | unstable: btw, how old is your computer? |
| 21:08.32 | nanok | Lafy: uh? why similar? use crontab.. |
| 21:08.33 | unstable | xoz: no such module |
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| 21:08.33 | Lafy | nanok: as far as i can tell it can either run once a minute or once an hour |
| 21:08.34 | nanok | xoz: it's just a 3Ghz cpu |
| 21:08.34 | nanok | :) |
| 21:08.34 | unstable | xoz: FATAL: Error inserting toshiba (/lib/modules/2.6.15-1-686/kernel/drivers/char/toshiba.ko): No such device |
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| 21:08.34 | nanok | Lafy: no, read the man page, it can do a lot |
| 21:08.34 | xoz | unstable: try installing toshset |
| 21:08.35 | unstable | xoz: I did that too. |
| 21:08.35 | xoz | unstable: and? |
| 21:08.35 | unstable | And it does nothing |
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| 21:08.35 | xoz | unstable: have you tried some options? |
| 21:08.39 | unstable | xoz: Like what? |
| 21:08.50 | xoz | unstable: possible that your notebook is very *old*? |
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| 21:08.57 | unstable | cookooland:/usr/share/doc/toshset# /usr/bin/toshset |
| 21:08.57 | unstable | required kernel toshiba support not enabled. |
| 21:09.15 | unstable | xoz: This notebook is a year old. It's 3ghz and 512 ram |
| 21:09.41 | weedar_ | wow, that's a speedy laptop =) |
| 21:09.50 | nanok | unstable: grep -i toshiba /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 21:10.01 | xoz | unstable: it seems that it is not yet supported or is it possible it is using a different acpi other than toshiba acpi? |
| 21:10.08 | abrotman | MyWay: don't do that |
| 21:10.14 | unstable | xoz / nanok http://www.shopping.com/xPC-Toshiba_Toshiba_Satellite_A65_S1070 |
| 21:10.16 | unstable | That is my laptop |
| 21:10.17 | citral | I'd like to see how one cooks an egg on a 3Ghz laptop |
| 21:10.19 | MyWay | abrotman welcome back :P |
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| 21:10.36 | MyWay | Now that i'm on windows you are back :P |
| 21:10.42 | nanok | i bloody hate the idea of $brand-acpi. damn it, wasnt acpi supposed to be a "standard" |
| 21:10.42 | MyWay | abrotman i did the commands you said |
| 21:10.44 | abrotman | don't blame me |
| 21:10.45 | nanok | ? |
| 21:10.46 | FlimFlamMan | there are videos of exploding processors on video.google.com |
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| 21:11.09 | unstable | nanok / xoz my model number for this laptop is: PSA60U0LE015 |
| 21:11.13 | MyWay | but when i find the name of the card (S3 and something) what i have to do? |
| 21:11.13 | weedar_ | nanok, there is a standard. I mean, there are several standards.. |
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| 21:11.19 | nanok | citral: how about cooking both? :P |
| 21:11.21 | resiak | nanok: Welcome to the real world :) |
| 21:11.38 | citral | even better :) |
| 21:11.49 | nanok | weedar_: my point exactly |
| 21:12.18 | xoz | unstable: you need to update the bios to the latest revision |
| 21:12.30 | unstable | xoz: ok |
| 21:12.55 | weedar_ | if a standard is created you can just bet there's a FAQ.wad ready to change it and make a new standard |
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| 21:13.26 | abrotman | MyWay: i need what it really says .. did you install irssi-text or not? |
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| 21:13.33 | MyWay | yes |
| 21:13.45 | MyWay | i came there, but you weren't available |
| 21:13.46 | MyWay | :P |
| 21:13.53 | MyWay | think you were away |
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| 21:14.07 | MyWay | i asked to some other, but nobody answered me |
| 21:14.07 | MyWay | :O |
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| 21:15.32 | ma3x | whadddup fsckers! |
| 21:15.38 | ma3x | :]p |
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| 21:16.06 | abrotman | MyWay: it's possible .. i was in the serverroom replacing a motherboard |
| 21:16.13 | xoz | unstable: google for ACPI flash bios upgrade for your model, check this site: http://www.csd.toshiba.com/cgi-bin/tais/su/su_sc_modItemList.jsp |
| 21:16.14 | MyWay | ah, ok |
| 21:16.30 | abrotman | that's right folks .. i do have work to do sometimes :) |
| 21:16.30 | MyWay | abrotman, now i can't go on linux, when can i find you here? |
| 21:16.35 | MyWay | :) |
| 21:16.36 | abrotman | MyWay: why can't you ? |
| 21:16.45 | MyWay | birthday of friend |
| 21:16.45 | MyWay | :P |
| 21:16.50 | Bucciarati | MyWay: why do you need abrotman |
| 21:16.54 | Bucciarati | MyWay: ? |
| 21:17.05 | abrotman | MyWay: a birthday means you can't go into linux ? |
| 21:17.11 | abrotman | Bucciarati: is that a problem? |
| 21:17.13 | xoz | MyWay: you are patronizing abrotman. we will be jealous :0 |
| 21:17.16 | MyWay | Bucciarati for help with my internal (inside the MOBO) graphic card |
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| 21:17.23 | nanok | abrotman: yes, we are gelous |
| 21:17.24 | nanok | :P |
| 21:17.28 | MyWay | ahah |
| 21:17.37 | Bucciarati | abrotman: not for me :) |
| 21:17.39 | abrotman | nanok: jealous ? |
| 21:17.52 | weedar_ | Since when did friends become more important than linux? |
| 21:17.57 | nanok | abrotman: yeah, whatever. you get the picture :) |
| 21:17.58 | Bucciarati | abrotman: but i hopo he can solve his problems also without you :) |
| 21:18.05 | Bucciarati | abrotman: s/hopo/hope/ |
| 21:18.08 | abrotman | Bucciarati: apparently noone answered him earlier ... |
| 21:18.17 | nanok | yeah. and what kind of birthday is that, with no linux? |
| 21:18.32 | berkes | hello. Suddenly vy (VPS!) server no longer has some /proc mounted. |
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| 21:18.46 | Bucciarati | too bad, maybe ask in some other moment when other people are looking at the screen :) |
| 21:18.49 | MyWay | Bucciarati i also think, but if nobody answers me :P |
| 21:18.52 | berkes | as soon as it restarts or so, I first have to do: mount -t proc none /proc |
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| 21:19.04 | MyWay | i tried 3 times, but nobody seems to know about it |
| 21:19.05 | MyWay | :O |
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| 21:19.08 | Bucciarati | MyWay: ok |
| 21:19.12 | berkes | but in the mean time hardly any apps from |
| 21:19.19 | berkes | /etc/init.d are started |
| 21:19.30 | nanok | berkes: check the fstab |
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| 21:19.43 | berkes | nanok: what should that contain? |
| 21:19.55 | xoz | roc /proc proc defaults 0 0 |
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| 21:20.04 | xoz | s/roc/proc |
| 21:20.06 | berkes | none /proc proc defaults 0 0 |
| 21:20.21 | berkes | guess the none is wrong, then? |
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| 21:20.38 | xoz | or mine is wrong |
| 21:21.23 | nanok | xoz: nope. it's not |
| 21:21.31 | weedar_ | Anyone remember what key-combo to press to get in the BIOS of old Compaq laptops? (P166MMX) |
| 21:21.41 | nanok | the first field is the mountpoint. none means it doesnt really get mounted |
| 21:21.58 | berkes | nanok: so it sould be 'proc' and not 'none' in the first col? |
| 21:22.07 | nanok | see the case of the boot partition, if you have one, or the swap |
| 21:22.13 | berkes | right. thanks for tlat info! |
| 21:22.19 | nanok | berkes: something like this: |
| 21:22.33 | pjv | hi what's does this mean in my /etc/named.conf : type "."; and also type "hint"'; |
| 21:22.59 | MyWay | abrotman i'll come here from linux in a moment, don't move :P |
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| 21:23.10 | quiet | how do i reconfigure whatdomain exim is valid for? |
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| 21:23.43 | nanok | berkes: /proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 |
| 21:23.57 | abrotman | ok .. now when he comes back .. everyone ignore him :) |
| 21:23.58 | k31th | guys on a web facing box... i am only running the services i need... they are updated etc. Do i need a firewall??? |
| 21:24.00 | berkes | nanok: thanks! |
| 21:24.00 | curt | dpkg-reconfigure exim |
| 21:24.06 | nanok | berkes: sorry, the paste failed at first (or the copy :P |
| 21:24.12 | abrotman | k31th: how do you control ssh access? |
| 21:24.19 | loggygreg | abrotman: ok :) |
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| 21:24.42 | k31th | abrotman: in wat way ? |
| 21:24.49 | unstable | xoz: This is a windows executable...how can I upgrade my bios with this? |
| 21:24.49 | xoz | nanok: it should be like proc /proc ... similar to tmpfs /tmp |
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| 21:25.01 | abrotman | k31th: how do you control who beats the piss out of your ssh port? keys? firewall? |
| 21:25.02 | xoz | unstable: you need XP then :) |
| 21:25.05 | nanok | k31th: you usually do need one. it is nice and sane to have, at least a simple one |
| 21:25.19 | peritus_ | k31th: do you have users on it? do you have suspicous scripts etc? |
| 21:25.24 | oliknoli | is there any standard usr\pass for proftpd? |
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| 21:25.29 | quiet | dpkg-reconfigure <what?> to redo the exim4 configuration? |
| 21:25.29 | xoz | unstable: or complain to toshiba :) |
| 21:25.33 | oZt | I'm having trouble with the checksums for apt repositories. Is this common? And if so, how do I fix it? |
| 21:25.45 | petemc | quiet: exim4-config |
| 21:25.49 | unstable | xoz: I have XP on a 5 gig partition, but grub didn't recongize it and add it automatically. update-grub does nothing..How can I setup Xp with menu.lst? |
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| 21:26.16 | xoz | unstable: info grub and look for the example for XP |
| 21:26.17 | Telonir | tzafrir_laptop, installed it |
| 21:26.25 | nanok | unstable: use "chainloader +1" for instance |
| 21:26.25 | Telonir | tzafrir_laptop, works fine locally |
| 21:26.25 | curt | dpkg-reconfigure <thepackageyouwanttoreconfigure> and yes it only takes a minute |
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| 21:26.31 | oliknoli | is there any standard usr\pass for proftpd? |
| 21:26.58 | dondelelcaro | oliknoli: no |
| 21:27.13 | oliknoli | hoe can i connect then? |
| 21:27.18 | oliknoli | how* |
| 21:27.19 | xoz | unstable: title Windows NT / Windows 95 boot menu |
| 21:27.19 | xoz | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:27.31 | xoz | unstable: title Windows NT / Windows 95 boot menu |
| 21:27.31 | xoz | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:27.31 | dondelelcaro | oliknoli: by entering in your user name and password. |
| 21:27.36 | dondelelcaro | xoz: please stop pasting. |
| 21:27.37 | xoz | oh sorry |
| 21:27.47 | Goldfisch | I have loaded debian sparc on a sun blade 150, and loaded gnome-desktop-environment. The type6 USB keyboard works in console mode, but after launching GDM, it doesn't work. The keys are all mismapped. Can't find much on google that is recent describing this. |
| 21:27.49 | oliknoli | my usr\pass in linux? |
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| 21:28.07 | dondelelcaro | oliknoli: whatever your username and password is for proftpd. |
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| 21:28.17 | xoz | unstable: makeactive, then chainloader +1 |
| 21:28.26 | oliknoli | where do i edit the usr pass? |
| 21:28.34 | Telonir | tzafrir_laptop, you here? |
| 21:28.38 | horza1337 | Goldfisch: did you do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-[xorg/xfree86]? |
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| 21:28.42 | nanok | Goldfisch: select the apropriate mapping for x? dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? |
| 21:28.58 | xoz | unstable: assuming (hd0,0) -> hda1 is the location of XP.. adjust based on your system |
| 21:29.14 | buffoon | oliknoli: try it with your normal user |
| 21:29.18 | tzafrir_laptop | Telonir, yes |
| 21:29.30 | Telonir | well it worked |
| 21:29.30 | abrotman | tzafrir_laptop: do you have that url handy again? |
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| 21:29.38 | Goldfisch | I never did that step. I did load xserver-xorg. I only remember it asking me about resolutions. I can do that, if needed! |
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| 21:29.47 | oliknoli | normal user from where? |
| 21:29.50 | Unetixs | xoz: in the future use #flood for pasting or use a pm |
| 21:29.51 | tzafrir_laptop | http://nomachine.com/ |
| 21:30.01 | oliknoli | it worked with my user in linux |
| 21:30.11 | Sonny | hi, I'm trying to burn a cd with k3b but it fails always, why? |
| 21:30.17 | tzafrir_laptop | Telonir, are you on Sid? there are Sid packages from Kanotix |
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| 21:30.34 | jazbo | Where would I find the info logged by an sshd that was started with the -d flag? |
| 21:30.44 | nanok | Sonny: because it aint working |
| 21:30.46 | tzafrir_laptop | Sonny, any errors? |
| 21:30.55 | nanok | Sonny: thats the wrong question, you do realise |
| 21:30.59 | nanok | ;) |
| 21:31.02 | xoz | Unetixs: yep. i know the protocol. my ctrl keyboard combo slipped |
| 21:31.04 | Telonir | deb http://debian.bootsplash.de unstable main |
| 21:31.07 | abrotman | tzafrir_laptop: no . the one for the libh323 stuff |
| 21:31.20 | Sonny | nanok: buffer underrun |
| 21:31.22 | Telonir | found at apt-get.org |
| 21:31.35 | Sonny | nanok: does k3b need a particular configuration? |
| 21:31.40 | tzafrir_laptop | didn't libopenh323 get into Sid just now? |
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| 21:31.51 | abrotman | tzafrir_laptop: you posted someone a link .. to newer stuff .. |
| 21:32.01 | tzafrir_laptop | http://pkg-voip.buildserver.net/ |
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| 21:32.57 | delmar | hey everyone. I just started noticing error messages like... *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (!prev): 0x098ef7f8 ***... googling around I see plenty of people complaining about this occuring when running/using many different things.. but no specific answer to fix the problem. anyone here got an idea? |
| 21:33.01 | xoz | Sonny: running k3b as root? |
| 21:33.07 | unstable | xoz: actually I don't have windows xp anymore |
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| 21:33.30 | unstable | xoz: I need windows to update my bios? |
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| 21:33.57 | xoz | unstable: then, you wont be able to update your bios. check if toshiba provides a dos program for bios update |
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| 21:34.06 | Sonny | xoz, nop |
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| 21:34.15 | abrotman | tzafrir_laptop: yes .. thank you |
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| 21:35.13 | xoz | Sonny: you need access to the disk,etc... you should add the user to the group disk, audio, etc or else try root first. |
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| 21:35.17 | Whyuy | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:35.24 | oliknoli | where is the htdocs folder for apache in debian? |
| 21:35.25 | Whyuy | I know that if I just compile kernel 2.6 it will not work..tried already |
| 21:35.33 | Whyuy | Now I want to upgrade to sarge and kernel 2.6 |
| 21:35.38 | Sonny | xoz: ok |
| 21:35.42 | Whyuy | it will complain about module-tools and stuff.. |
| 21:35.48 | Whyuy | So I need to upgrade some other things first .. before compiling the kernel |
| 21:35.50 | unstable | xoz: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/GpCtKV63.html |
| 21:35.57 | Telonir | tzafrir_laptop, get the client /server i want to test it over the web |
| 21:35.57 | unstable | xoz: That is what came with the bios exe file. |
| 21:36.01 | unstable | xoz: it unpacked that stuff |
| 21:36.02 | xoz | oliknoli: /var/www? |
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| 21:36.19 | Whyuy | There must be a upgrade procedure ? |
| 21:36.20 | Whyuy | anyone? |
| 21:36.52 | xoz | unstable: seems you need windows |
| 21:36.54 | Telonir | apt-get upgrade? |
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| 21:37.54 | k31th | umm no i only have like 3 users including root thatcan login via ssh |
| 21:37.59 | k31th | and i have decent passwords |
| 21:38.02 | k31th | and keep updated |
| 21:38.17 | weedar_ | When copying to a floppy there seems to be a moment (20-30 seconds) when the computer just waits before it flushes the buffer. Is it possible to make it write to the floppy immediately? |
| 21:38.28 | xoz | weedar_: sync |
| 21:38.45 | nanok | weedar_: type sync, if you must |
| 21:39.16 | k31th | emerge --sync :p |
| 21:39.17 | Sonny | xoz, how do I run k3b as root? |
| 21:39.35 | xoz | Sonny: sudo su or sudo bash or su |
| 21:39.38 | unstable | xoz: What is the iso file... when I do "file blah.iso" it doesn't say iso9660... Can I burn this to a disc?? |
| 21:39.42 | weedar_ | thank you nanok / xoz |
| 21:39.46 | xoz | Sonny: oh not su |
| 21:39.53 | weedar_ | Any good reason why I shouldn't? |
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| 21:40.10 | Sonny | I cant run X appps as root |
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| 21:40.16 | MyWay | hm |
| 21:40.29 | xoz | Sonny: login in X as root or use sudo |
| 21:40.43 | unstable | xoz: yea there is a cd image, I can install the bios via cd |
| 21:40.56 | xoz | Sonny: the former is bad but it is the fastest way to run k3b if sudo is not configured |
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| 21:41.06 | weedar_ | Sonny, kdesu k3b (if you're using kde that is..) |
| 21:41.07 | MyWay | Someone can read me now? |
| 21:41.15 | Bizurke | yes |
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| 21:41.25 | xoz | unstable: via cd with what OS? |
| 21:41.28 | MyWay | ok thanks |
| 21:41.33 | abrotman | MyWay: much better |
| 21:41.42 | MyWay | thanks |
| 21:41.44 | abrotman | MyWay: anyways .. let's continue in here |
| 21:41.44 | MyWay | what i have to do now? |
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| 21:41.52 | abrotman | MyWay: /j #flood |
| 21:41.55 | MyWay | ok |
| 21:42.04 | Agrajag- | does anyone here happen to use megaraid stuff with dell hardware? im not sure how monitoring the raid status is done |
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| 21:43.24 | tetsuo87 | hi all |
| 21:43.57 | cmatheson | hi, i'm trying to figure out how to share my screen session w/ a friend. i've figured out that i can share my session across terminals w/ screen -X session-name, but how can one share sessions across the network? |
| 21:44.15 | bbrazil | cmatheson: ssh? |
| 21:44.16 | unstable | xoz: I'm going to burn this toshiba cd image that will flash my bios with cdrecord |
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| 21:44.43 | tetsuo87 | anyone here have fish ( Friendly Interactive Shell) ?? |
| 21:44.54 | petemc | Agrajag-: dell provide their own monitoring software, omsa |
| 21:44.54 | xoz | cmatheson: x2x, v2vnc |
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| 21:45.04 | nanok | cmatheson: there is more than one way. either using ssh as you said above, or with vnc, freenx, etc |
| 21:45.16 | xoz | unstable: ah. yeh, that is ok. |
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| 21:45.24 | thetide | these need to go today 2 laptops, both made by good manufacturers. price is 500$ each for them and include shipping, case and wireless router. message me if interested on aim at ogd443 or msn at mcsltd2@hotmail.com |
| 21:45.26 | xoz | cmatheson: x2vnc |
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| 21:45.34 | two_am | hey all |
| 21:45.40 | cmatheson | xoz: bbrazil nanok : ok, thanks guys |
| 21:45.49 | two_am | what are people using for portknocking primarily? |
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| 21:45.57 | tetsuo87 | got problem with FISh :(( please help |
| 21:46.13 | djp | which kernel should i use with an athlon thunderbird processor? |
| 21:46.15 | xoz | !tell tetsuo87 about ask |
| 21:46.23 | tetsuo87 | xoz: tx! |
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| 21:46.27 | nanok | tetsuo87: fry the fish. ;) |
| 21:46.52 | tetsuo87 | xoz: i installed fish but now if i try 'su' i recieve an error: No shell |
| 21:46.52 | bbrazil | djp: k7 iirc |
| 21:47.04 | djp | bbrazil,thanks |
| 21:47.12 | tetsuo87 | xoz: i upgraded to unstable |
| 21:47.12 | thingfish | ooh yes, a nice big walleye filet. |
| 21:47.52 | xoz | tetsuo87: what shell are you using? fish is incompatible to many shells |
| 21:47.59 | nanok | thingfish: actually, a few of them would do nicely |
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| 21:48.09 | Sonny | is k3b the besto program to burn cds? |
| 21:48.11 | thingfish | nanok: hehe you know it. |
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| 21:48.56 | nanok | Sonny: no. it is just one of the frontends. the programs to burn cd's are just one of each, or almost |
| 21:49.00 | tetsuo87 | xoz:what do u mean?fish is the Friendly Interactive Shell |
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| 21:49.27 | Sonny | nanok, which is the best one? |
| 21:49.33 | xoz | tetsuo87: ah, possible a bug. |
| 21:49.46 | knvinh_ | Has anyone successfully configured Russian UTF-8 under Debian? |
| 21:49.51 | xoz | tetsuo87: what about sudo? |
| 21:49.58 | xoz | tetsuo87: like sudo fish |
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| 21:50.38 | tetsuo87 | xoz: the problem is thet i can't get a shell for root |
| 21:50.39 | FartClone | hello everyone |
| 21:50.45 | knvinh_ | hello |
| 21:50.48 | tetsuo87 | xoz: i can try sudo |
| 21:50.58 | xoz | tetsuo87: sudo fish if it works will give you root shell |
| 21:51.03 | FartClone | would it be possible to test the speed of my scsi tapestreamer read/write? |
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| 21:51.12 | FartClone | I'm backing up using the tar command |
| 21:51.48 | tetsuo87 | xoz: i know im a *@--** but im not in the sudoers list :(( |
| 21:52.13 | tetsuo87 | xoz: wat about removing fish? |
| 21:53.25 | Agrajag- | petemc: yeah, i've had a look at it, but from what i can tell it's very unstable (lots of reports that megamon crashes after 8 hours or so) and isn't documented at all |
| 21:53.35 | nvz | fish? |
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| 21:53.39 | petemc | Agrajag-: right, its awful |
| 21:53.40 | nvz | dpkg, fish |
| 21:53.40 | dpkg | fish is probably FISHFISHFISH! DO THE FISH DANCE! "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate, instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, why not read some docs, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered?, or http://edulinux.homeunix.org/fish.html |
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| 21:54.04 | xoz | !info fish |
| 21:54.06 | dpkg | fish: (a friendly interactive shell), section shells, is optional. Version: 1.21.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 481 kB, Installed size: 2128 kB |
| 21:54.15 | nvz | heh |
| 21:54.23 | gnufan | Agrajag-: can't you just script reading of the raiddrive files in /proc ? |
| 21:54.31 | nvz | its not in stable |
| 21:54.36 | nvz | is it worth looking at? |
| 21:54.50 | Agrajag- | gnufan: i dont know, i've never done hardware raid before, but thanks for the tip, i'll have a look |
| 21:54.56 | xoz | zsh is worth looking at |
| 21:55.00 | petemc | gnufan: not perc stuff, no |
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| 21:55.36 | petemc | Agrajag-: there are a few alternative methods |
| 21:56.21 | SimonRaven | zsh++ |
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| 21:57.06 | Agrajag- | petemc: yeah? such as? this is a poweredge 2850, im using 2.6.15, megaraid |
| 21:57.07 | knvinh_ | why zsh? |
| 21:57.11 | Keefe | I am running a 2.6.15 kernel. The size of the kernel is 2 MB. Should it be this big? How can I reduce the size. I do not need special option. |
| 21:57.38 | SimonRaven | zsh r0x0rs my s0x0rs |
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| 21:57.45 | nvz | your nick sounds too much like kawfee |
| 21:57.51 | nvz | for comfort |
| 21:57.54 | knvinh_ | disable some drivers , which you don't need |
| 21:58.00 | xoz | knvinh_: http://www.grml.org/zsh/zsh-lovers.1 |
| 21:58.05 | Kevin` | simple, only select what you need, although it won't get as small as earlier kernels |
| 21:58.08 | gnufan | petemc: I think the /proc stuff is okay for some -- certainly the AMI RAID card DELL sold me as a PERC |
| 21:58.10 | knvinh_ | by recompiling kernel |
| 21:58.16 | petemc | Agrajag-: raidmon or some such, theres perl stuff too |
| 21:58.19 | knvinh_ | i am looking at it |
| 21:58.20 | priscila | Keefe: zsh is a shell like any other .. somones says which it are better than bash |
| 21:58.27 | petemc | gnufan: oh, what info can you get? |
| 21:58.31 | priscila | s/are/is/ |
| 21:58.31 | Agrajag- | gnufan: idon't have and raiddrive files in /proc |
| 21:58.47 | tzafrir_laptop | Keefe, size of the file vmlinux or the file vmlinuz? |
| 21:59.04 | gnufan | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:59.04 | gnufan | Logical drive: 0:, state: optimal |
| 21:59.04 | gnufan | Span depth: 1, RAID level: 1, Stripe size: 64, Row size: 2 |
| 21:59.04 | gnufan | Read Policy: Adaptive, Write Policy: Write thru, Cache Policy: Direct IO |
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| 21:59.11 | tzafrir_laptop | a 2MB vmlinux is not big |
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| 21:59.24 | xoz | bash is a subset of zsh |
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| 21:59.30 | asgard_mare | hi friends!!! |
| 21:59.34 | Agrajag- | my /proc/megaraid directory is empty |
| 21:59.39 | asgard_mare | i have a question for u |
| 22:00.23 | knvinh_ | to xoz, I've not used zsh, but does it support command like 'cd -' like in bash |
| 22:00.35 | tzafrir_laptop | My problem wth zsh has laways been bad UTF-8 support. Has this been fixed? |
| 22:00.44 | asgard_mare | now i'm using (for various reasons) sh, instead of bash |
| 22:00.58 | pjv | anyone here able to suspend a session and still have applications running on freenx? |
| 22:01.03 | asgard_mare | how can i star bash on another virtual terminal??? |
| 22:01.06 | Keefe | tzafrir: vmlinuz-2.6.15.060225 |
| 22:01.09 | gnufan | Agrajag-: self built kernel here -- I use to need it to get the megaraid stuff to boot -- keep meaning to try the recent stock kernels. |
| 22:01.10 | priscila | asgard_mare: why? |
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| 22:01.26 | nkuttler | asgard_mare: by running it? |
| 22:01.30 | tzafrir_laptop | asgard_mare, simply run 'bash' ? |
| 22:01.39 | nkuttler | asgard_mare: btw, what does sh -version say? |
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| 22:01.46 | asgard_mare | i'm on a restore session with ubuntu DVD |
| 22:02.06 | Goldfisch | Guys, I got the sun keyboard working! I reconfigured and instead of using sun's maps, I picked xorg. It works! |
| 22:02.06 | Agrajag- | gnufan: im using 2.6.15 from backports.org, since the 2.6.8 with sarge is missing the megaraid2 module |
| 22:02.40 | petemc | pjv: i think if you just close nxclient the apps should still run, you then suspend it just befoer you want to resume it |
| 22:02.43 | priscila | asgard_mare: bash has many features which sh doesn't have.. you can use bash like sh (they're compatible) |
| 22:02.52 | asgard_mare | thei now this.... |
| 22:02.56 | asgard_mare | i now this... |
| 22:03.03 | Kevin` | sh is usually bash |
| 22:03.06 | asgard_mare | but i havent's grub (or lilo) |
| 22:03.10 | Kevin` | is on my debian at least |
| 22:03.24 | NeverMore_ | hi all |
| 22:03.29 | pjv | petemc: suspend doesn't seem to work for me, so i am wondering if it works for anyone else? |
| 22:03.36 | xoz | knvinh_: bash is a subset zsh... so most of the things in bash is supported by zsh |
| 22:03.42 | nvz | NeverMore_: not yet but I am working on it |
| 22:03.49 | tzafrir_laptop | asgard_mare, do you need to open a different terminal? is that your question? |
| 22:03.51 | gnufan | Agrajag-: I have CONFIG_MEGARAID_LEGACY=y in .config... since it is sid on the Desktop I ought to be able to try the 2.6.15 (or whatever sid has this week). I know megaraid on the desktop is kind of a luxury... |
| 22:03.57 | knvinh_ | OK, thanks for that information |
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| 22:04.10 | petemc | pjv: it works for me, in that when i leave work, i close nxclient, when i get home, i ssh in, suspend the session, the can resume it |
| 22:04.12 | asgard_mare | and so i have to reinstall grub, but continuosly this sh, create me problem |
| 22:04.13 | NeverMore_ | nvz: ? |
| 22:04.17 | thetide | these need to go today 2 laptops, both made by good manufacturers. price is 500$ each for them and include shipping, case and wireless router. message me if interested on aim at ogd443 or msn at mcsltd2@hotmail.com |
| 22:04.25 | tzafrir_laptop | pjv, petemc , do you happen to have freenx installed on Sarge? |
| 22:04.27 | nvz | NeverMore_: I gotta roll it first, chill :P |
| 22:04.36 | petemc | tzafrir_laptop: no, sid |
| 22:04.38 | priscila | Keefe: it's default in the majority distros |
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| 22:05.21 | tzafrir_laptop | I'll give rebuilding another shot, I guess |
| 22:05.53 | gnufan | Agrajag-: the megaraid legacy is for PERC2/DC systems -- may be leading you astray into old hardware.... |
| 22:05.58 | pjv | petemc: so you don't suspend the session then close the nxclient, then when you get home ssh in, then resume it? |
| 22:06.22 | asgard_mare | where there is the command "bash-" |
| 22:06.24 | asgard_mare | ? |
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| 22:06.36 | pjv | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:06.52 | main2 | hello |
| 22:06.55 | pjv | i'll try that |
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| 22:07.08 | priscila | if you wish suffering, use dash or ash as shell |
| 22:07.33 | main2 | i got a deb package with mips binary's in it |
| 22:07.34 | priscila | asgard_mare: $ which bash |
| 22:07.36 | petemc | pjv: i just close the client, then suspend it just before i want to resume, im not saying thats the right way, but it works for me |
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| 22:07.44 | asgard_mare | what is the $TERM |
| 22:07.51 | main2 | can i convert the deb package to like gz or something? |
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| 22:07.58 | pjv | petemc: i will try that, thank you, i hope it works for me :) |
| 22:08.03 | petemc | ]np |
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| 22:08.10 | PerfDave | main2: Just install it with dpkg |
| 22:08.10 | main2 | i got a deb package with mips binary's in it |
| 22:08.15 | Ashex|sleep| | After using the kernel-package to compile a custom kernel, it didn't load it into the GRUB |
| 22:08.21 | main2 | PerfDave: i dont have a debian system |
| 22:08.24 | Ashex|sleep| | how do I add the kernel into the grub properly? |
| 22:08.32 | main2 | its for linux running on my router |
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| 22:08.40 | priscila | asgard_mare: it's a variable with your term type like screen,vt100 .. |
| 22:08.41 | PerfDave | main2: You don't need a Debian system to have dpkg :) |
| 22:08.42 | main2 | so i need to get the binary's over |
| 22:08.43 | Eulex | Ashex|sleep|, well, have you installed the resulting package? |
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| 22:09.08 | soc10path | . |
| 22:09.09 | Eulex | main2, deb packages are ar archives. |
| 22:09.25 | asgard_mare | because apt block the installation, an say me "Unknown terminal:bterm" |
| 22:09.29 | Eulex | main2, ar x it, then one of the resulting archives contains the data files. |
| 22:09.39 | main2 | ok thnx :) |
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| 22:10.05 | priscila | asgard_mare: export $TERM='linux' |
| 22:10.11 | soc10path | when i ssh into my debian box, the window doesn't redraw and i end up with random text all over the place... i have to press ^L all the time. any ideas on how to fix this? (sarge) |
| 22:10.25 | Eulex | asgard_mare, well, what's bterm? |
| 22:10.25 | knvinh_ | <Ashex|sleep|>, you can edit /boot/grub/menu.lst manually |
| 22:10.27 | xoz | Ashex|sleep|: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst as a last resort if the new kernel is not there |
| 22:10.47 | intero | do you have any idea about http://rafb.net/paste/results/DhdkEy54.html ? |
| 22:10.50 | Ashex|sleep| | I know I can edit it manually |
| 22:10.56 | Ashex|sleep| | I'm just not sure what to add for one of the values |
| 22:10.57 | nvz | soc10path: sounds like a client issue though I dont have any suggestions ready other than to ask a more specific question so people who can help you know whats up. |
| 22:11.00 | ice_1963 | it's export TERM='vt100' |
| 22:11.00 | Ashex|sleep| | gimme a sec to load it |
| 22:11.09 | xoz | Ashex|sleep|: try update-grub |
| 22:11.17 | NeverMore_ | i need to know EXACTLY which files or packages an executable depends on, it is running on a machine with sid and not running on another, for sure missing dependancies, and i want to find which one.. |
| 22:11.17 | nvz | soc10path: platform and client would be relevant information |
| 22:11.21 | Eulex | ice_1963, depends. |
| 22:11.27 | ice_1963 | ok |
| 22:11.30 | Sonny | do you know how can I do that every time that I insert a CD or usb key it mounts automatically and put a link in the desktop? It was like that before but not now |
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| 22:11.47 | rysiek|pl | hi there, guys |
| 22:11.55 | soc10path | OpenSSH_4.2p1 debian testing as the sshd, and the client is OpenSSH_4.2p1 on rhel |
| 22:12.04 | soc10path | i don't have this problem with any other server |
| 22:12.11 | soc10path | so i figure it's a sshd problem |
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| 22:12.16 | asgard_mare | nothing!! |
| 22:12.18 | Ashex|sleep| | I'm not sure what to put for initrd in Menu.lst |
| 22:12.38 | Eulex | soc10path, what terminal are you using? |
| 22:12.39 | rysiek|pl | does anybody know how to set-up a certain font as a default console font? (I just don't feel like adding consolechars -f <font_fle> to the global bash_profile) |
| 22:12.49 | soc10path | eulex gnome-terminal on rhel |
| 22:12.54 | asgard_mare | please, how can i install grub, without any floppy disk and any bootloader on my laptop??? |
| 22:13.04 | xoz | Ashex|sleep|: there are examples in that file. otherwise, info grub and look for the configuration section |
| 22:13.05 | Eulex | soc10path, there |
| 22:13.11 | soc10path | i also use knoppix std and regular knoppix as clients with the same prob |
| 22:13.15 | abrotman | ask #grub ? |
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| 22:13.28 | sgeigerbot | I have a port forwarding problem. My ssh server stops forwarding the ports properly. I can't fix this by restarting ssh. I can fix it by rebooting. |
| 22:13.33 | sgeigerbot | What might be going on? |
| 22:13.38 | soc10path | Eulex: ? |
| 22:13.40 | xoz | Ashex|sleep|: have you tried running update-grub? |
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| 22:14.00 | Eulex | soc10path, gnome-terminal is pretending to be xterm, but gnome-terminal doesn't support everything xterm does. what does $TERM say in gnome-terminal in rhel? |
| 22:14.01 | asgard_mare | i have the same error :" bterm": unknown terminal type |
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| 22:14.10 | dfa1979 | which channel can I find help with making packages in? |
| 22:14.13 | loggygreg | rysiek|pl: /etc/console-tools/config |
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| 22:14.19 | dondelelcaro | dfa1979: here or #debian-mentors |
| 22:14.21 | Eulex | asgard_mare, again, what is bterm? |
| 22:14.22 | soc10path | Eulex xterm |
| 22:14.26 | knvinh_ | have you created initrd ? |
| 22:14.33 | dfa1979 | thanks |
| 22:14.40 | xoz | Ashex|sleep|: it will scan you /boot dir and setup your menu.lst based on the kernels in /boot automatically |
| 22:14.56 | Ashex|sleep| | ok |
| 22:15.04 | priscila | asgard_mare: it returns xterm |
| 22:15.05 | Bizurke | OH MAN |
| 22:15.16 | Bizurke | I just saw my ex-gf on a Planned Parenthood comercial |
| 22:15.27 | Bizurke | All like "Call for free STD Testing" |
| 22:15.30 | soc10path | eulex hmm... i believe you're right, it's a gnome-term problem as with xterm, i have no problems |
| 22:15.30 | dondelelcaro | dfa1979: also, asking on the debian-mentors@l.d.o mailing list may also get more responses. |
| 22:15.38 | PerfDave | Bizurke: Maybe you'd better call :) |
| 22:15.43 | priscila | asgard_mare: put export TERM='somevalue' in your .bashrc |
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| 22:15.49 | Eulex | soc10path, ok. it may work to set $TERM to something else. |
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| 22:16.01 | soc10path | Eulex vt100 or something? |
| 22:16.26 | knvinh_ | to xoz, when build custom kernel with make-kpkg, do you need to make initrd |
| 22:16.36 | priscila | asgard_mare: dont put it in .profile (it has read only when you login in a tty) |
| 22:16.53 | weedar_ | I'm having trouble finding bootable floppy images for debian. Can anyone point me in the right direction? :) |
| 22:16.59 | asgard_mare | for etc/console-tools/config i have the error "Permission denied", although i'm root |
| 22:17.13 | rysiek|pl | loggygreg: thx :) |
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| 22:17.51 | asgard_mare | .bashrc is in /home?? |
| 22:18.02 | priscila | yes |
| 22:18.06 | xoz | knvinh_: to be safe unless you compiled all the necessary modules as static. you can use -initrd option of make-kpkg |
| 22:18.10 | knvinh_ | /home/<username/ of course |
| 22:18.29 | priscila | asgard_mare: /etc/bashrc is a global files,it is read if no such .bashrc at your home |
| 22:18.35 | asgard_mare | but now i'm root...so |
| 22:18.51 | asgard_mare | sbin??? |
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| 22:19.10 | asgard_mare | ok |
| 22:19.17 | knvinh_ | OK |
| 22:19.25 | knvinh_ | thanks , xoz |
| 22:19.37 | Eulex | soc10path, yes, vt100 is the lowest you could set it to. you'd lose all colors etc. you could try setting it to something else. it really depends on what terminfo settings the client supports. |
| 22:19.43 | priscila | asgard_mare: dont edit global files, prefer modify your user's files |
| 22:19.43 | asgard_mare | in etc there is bash.bashrc |
| 22:20.04 | priscila | asgard_mare: copy it to your home as ~/.bashrc |
| 22:20.09 | asgard_mare | ok |
| 22:20.15 | Eulex | asgard_mare, lsattr /etc/console-tools/config |
| 22:20.15 | Eulex | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:22.34 | weedar_ | Let me rephrase that: Does netinst floppies even exist for debian? |
| 22:22.35 | xoz | asgard_mare: you can have more example dot files in /etc/skel/.* |
| 22:22.43 | weedar_ | debian sarge, that is |
| 22:22.49 | Draconis | weedar_ yes 4 floppies |
| 22:23.08 | weedar_ | Draconis, I'm having trouble finding them. All links on debian.org seem to lead me in circles |
| 22:23.16 | Draconis | sigh |
| 22:23.19 | Draconis | 10 sec |
| 22:23.27 | PerfDave | weedar_: Have you read the Installation Guide? |
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| 22:23.45 | xoz | weedar_: http://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/Booting_from0.shtml |
| 22:23.47 | asgard_mare | hey guys...really tks a lot... but i am newbie too |
| 22:23.53 | Draconis | ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ |
| 22:23.56 | weedar_ | PerfDave, that is the link I'm talking about =) |
| 22:23.57 | asgard_mare | i can't use vim |
| 22:24.09 | weedar_ | Thank you Draconis, may I ask how you found it? :) |
| 22:24.18 | Draconis | I know where it is |
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| 22:24.25 | asgard_mare | and pico, or nano editor, caused the usual problem with bterminal |
| 22:24.28 | priscila | asgard_mare: do you use root very often to do user's tasks? |
| 22:24.38 | asgard_mare | no |
| 22:24.46 | asgard_mare | i use sudo |
| 22:24.59 | asgard_mare | but now i'm using the restore dvd of ubuntu |
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| 22:25.17 | ZombB | etherconf seems to be broken. When I call "dpkg-reconfigure etherconf" the configuration dialog pops up but it doesnt change anything in /etc/network/interfaces or just puts the configuration for "lo". Any clues? |
| 22:25.24 | PerfDave | asgard_mare: You're running Ubuntu, and not Debian? |
| 22:25.37 | knvinh_ | has anybody have a sample sudoers file? |
| 22:25.46 | asgard_mare | :(((((((( sorry...but i say at the first... |
| 22:26.12 | asgard_mare | sorry...and tks to all for the time spend for me problem... |
| 22:26.12 | PerfDave | asgard_mare: #ubuntu is the IRC channel for Ubuntu support. #debian is for Debian. Debian is not Ubuntu. |
| 22:26.16 | Draconis | knvinh_ "daft ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /sbin/poweroff" |
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| 22:26.28 | xoz | ZombB: better edit it by hand. man interfaces for a simple example |
| 22:26.44 | positron | Has anyone experienced with logsurfer? I have a problem with it. I start it with the command logsurfer -c testconf -f /var/log/auth.log and my testconf says the following: ´.*´ - - - 0 exec "/bin/echo $0", as in man pages. Logsurfer doesnt output anything :(. What is the correct way using it? |
| 22:26.49 | asgard_mare | bye |
| 22:26.59 | knvinh_ | <Draconis> that means daft doesnt have to enter passwd , |
| 22:27.00 | asgard_mare | and tks |
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| 22:27.13 | priscila | asgard_mare: you would remain quietly ;) |
| 22:27.23 | Draconis | Knorrie_ true the user daft can shutdown the pc with out getting root |
| 22:27.23 | ZombB | xoz:thats what I have done, but I am worried about the fact that I can't use etherconf |
| 22:27.38 | Draconis | o sorry knvinh_ |
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| 22:27.44 | SkramX | Mar 9 23:20:46 debian-dev init: Id "4" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes |
| 22:27.47 | SkramX | Mar 9 23:20:46 debian-dev init: Id "6" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes |
| 22:27.51 | SkramX | Mar 9 23:27:21 debian-dev init: Id "3" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes |
| 22:27.53 | SkramX | whats that all mean? |
| 22:28.16 | Eulex | knvinh_, btw, if you do '<Draconis> whatever', that looks like you're quoting Draconis. |
| 22:28.22 | Draconis | knvinh_ Beware Dont make sudo for any program that can edit files |
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| 22:28.39 | knvinh_ | oh, sorry |
| 22:28.39 | Eulex | SkramX, compiled your own kernel? |
| 22:28.54 | SkramX | Eulex: it is a shared kernel. |
| 22:28.55 | SkramX | hrmm |
| 22:29.21 | Eulex | SkramX, "shared" kernel? |
| 22:29.27 | SkramX | linux-vserver.org. |
| 22:29.31 | xoz | ZombB: you don't need it you can edit manually. just /etc/init.d.networking restart after editing. how often do you change your config? |
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| 22:30.24 | xoz | ZombB: you can install switchconf if you change several times a day. otherwise, you dont really need etherconf |
| 22:30.59 | Eulex | SkramX, I think you |
| 22:31.05 | Eulex | argh |
| 22:31.14 | SkramX | eh, Eulex? |
| 22:31.32 | SkramX | same here!, hehe, go on... |
| 22:31.49 | ZombB | xoz: never, but today I discovered problems with my router and I tried to reconfigure my network settings and etherconf did not enter the settings for eth1 in /etc/network/interfaces than I configured it by hand and it works without any trouble |
| 22:32.00 | Eulex | SkramX, I think you'd get much more help if you asked in a vserver channel or on a vserver mailing list. |
| 22:32.02 | xoz | ZombB: possible also that etherconf checks the md5sum and will not change the config if you have edited it manually. |
| 22:32.17 | knvinh_ | Draconis, do you have sudoers file , that requires anybody to enter root passwd to run a system command |
| 22:32.26 | xoz | ZombB: but manual edit gives you the best control |
| 22:32.28 | SkramX | well, so what is it even doing? |
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| 22:32.46 | xoz | ZombB: what you can do is purge etherconf and reinstall it. |
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| 22:33.26 | ZombB | I have tried to remove /etc/network/interfaces and make a fresh setup, but etherconf just puts settings for "lo" not for eth1 and eth0 |
| 22:33.55 | ZombB | then I purged etherconf and now it does not touch /etc/network/interfaces at all |
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| 22:34.26 | xoz | ZombB: etherconf relies on some rules that are not perfect. most likely, the script has some shortcomings. |
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| 22:34.56 | xoz | ZombB: purge like apt-get --purge remove etherconf? |
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| 22:35.08 | knvinh_ | or dpkg -P |
| 22:35.13 | ZombB | xoz: yes, exactly |
| 22:35.45 | xoz | ZombB: if you are using unstable, possible this is a bug. |
| 22:35.46 | Agentj87 | hey i have a question |
| 22:36.04 | ice_1963 | what is dpkg -p? |
| 22:36.04 | Miks | I have a problem with some aliasing. I'm trying to alias two ips, but the problem is that when i alias them i can use only one of the two. I can use either one when they are the only ones aliased. Any idea whats causing the problem that both can't be used at the same time? |
| 22:36.30 | Agentj87 | im tryin to download a file thru debian from a website thats passworded, i use a porxy from my box and login but when i try to download it only a 3k file |
| 22:36.33 | knvinh_ | dpkg -P is as apt-get --pure |
| 22:36.33 | dpkg | knvinh_: what are you talking about? |
| 22:36.34 | Agentj87 | any ideas? |
| 22:36.49 | priscila | Agentj87: dont say 'i have a question' it ins't helps us to help you |
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| 22:37.05 | Agentj87 | «priscila» i asked it tho |
| 22:37.07 | knvinh_ | dpkg was used as a command, not a nick sorry :) |
| 22:37.12 | MyWay | wich is better xfree86 or xorg? |
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| 22:37.23 | nanok | Agentj87: either you have the wrong link, or you have some filtering rules on the proxy |
| 22:37.25 | xoz | !better |
| 22:37.25 | dpkg | rumour has it, better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 22:37.26 | knvinh_ | i think xorg |
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| 22:37.36 | MyWay | lol |
| 22:37.44 | eeyore- | Miks: example? |
| 22:37.48 | MyWay | i have to choose one |
| 22:37.56 | MyWay | so give me your opinion |
| 22:37.57 | MyWay | :P |
| 22:38.08 | nanok | MyWay: do choose. imho |
| 22:38.10 | nanok | :) |
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| 22:38.17 | priscila | Agentj87: what are you using to download the file? wget?lynx? |
| 22:38.34 | Eulex | SkramX, well, in /etc/inittab there's info on what init should start. if whatever it should start fails to start for any reason, init will try to start it again, until it gets disabled by the kernel because it tries to spawn too quickly. |
| 22:38.35 | Agentj87 | i tried w/o proxy |
| 22:38.36 | priscila | Agentj87: you must have specific too ;P |
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| 22:38.43 | Agentj87 | and it says 401 pass error |
| 22:38.46 | Agentj87 | im using wget |
| 22:38.51 | ZombB | xoz: I am using testing / unstable and have recently downgraded python-2.3 to testing. Could that be a reason? |
| 22:39.00 | Miks | eeyore-: Well i alias say ip 10.10.10.11 and i can use it ok. Then i remove this alias and add 10.10.10.12 and i use that one fine. But if i alias 10.10.10.11 first, i can use it, but once if i add 10.10.10.12 i cannot use .12 but i can use .11, and i dont know why this is so. |
| 22:39.12 | loupgaroublond | how do i change my default keyboard layout system wide so its like i installed debian originally with that layout? |
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| 22:39.53 | eeyore- | Miks: there's no reason why you can't have arbitrary number of aliases for any one interface |
| 22:40.01 | priscila | Agentj87: are you using the --http-passwd=foo option? |
| 22:40.12 | Miks | eeyore-: i can add the alias, but i cannot use it in terms of the internet |
| 22:40.13 | xoz | !depends etherconf |
| 22:40.15 | dpkg | etherconf: depends on debconf (>= 1.2.0), ifupdown (>= 0.6.4), dhcp-client, libconfhelper-perl |
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| 22:40.29 | xoz | ZombB: it seems it uses perl |
| 22:40.43 | eeyore- | Miks: maybe your internet is broken |
| 22:40.56 | xoz | ZombB: you can read the script it uses :) |
| 22:40.57 | Miks | what do you mean broken? |
| 22:41.22 | eeyore- | Miks: maybe you need to clean the cable a little bit |
| 22:41.28 | eeyore- | Miks: might be getting clogged up |
| 22:41.43 | Miks | doesn't make sense.. |
| 22:41.43 | Agentj87 | «priscila» no i wasnt usng the password option, not sure how to |
| 22:41.47 | ZombB | Yes, thats what I found out, it uses perl. What I thin is that its maybe because I am using udev |
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| 22:42.48 | Telonir | tzafrir_laptop, any progress with nx? |
| 22:43.15 | tzafrir_laptop | no. I left it for tommorow... |
| 22:43.15 | xoz | ZombB: so many possibilities when you are mixing unstable/testing |
| 22:43.25 | Telonir | why? |
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| 22:43.46 | Telonir | just add the apt-get source and install it |
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| 22:44.01 | priscila | Agentj87: use <tab> to do nick completation (i think you aren't using that) |
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| 22:44.30 | tzafrir_laptop | Telonir, already tried that. The freenx package worked well. But the nx server itself didn't build, IIRC |
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| 22:44.46 | Telonir | so you have the client? |
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| 22:45.21 | tzafrir_laptop | freenx is some wrapper scripts around the server/proxy |
| 22:45.26 | Agentj87 | «priscila» you mind if i PM u for a moment |
| 22:45.36 | Telonir | do you have the client? |
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| 22:45.47 | Telonir | and why build it? |
| 22:45.57 | Telonir | you have deb packages... |
| 22:46.25 | ZombB | xoz: I have downgraded everything to testing now |
| 22:46.45 | Telonir | testing i below unstable? |
| 22:46.48 | Telonir | is |
| 22:46.52 | tzafrir_laptop | Telonir, for Sarge? |
| 22:46.58 | Telonir | yep |
| 22:47.04 | tzafrir_laptop | Where? |
| 22:47.12 | Telonir | well at least it works for me |
| 22:47.32 | xoz | ZombB: perhaps you can file a bug report? |
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| 22:48.00 | Telonir | 1 min |
| 22:48.03 | ZombB | Yes, thats what I am going to do |
| 22:48.44 | Telonir | deb http://debian.bootsplash.de unstable main |
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| 22:48.52 | Telonir | add this to sources.list |
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| 22:49.35 | Agentj87 | priscila: you mind if i PM u for a moment |
| 22:49.37 | xoz | maint etherconf |
| 22:49.42 | xoz | !maint etherconf |
| 22:49.45 | dpkg | etherconf: Progeny Debian Packaging Team <debian-packages@progeny.com> |
| 22:49.49 | loggygreg | How can i change the default keyboard settings in console mode ? I mean for example french keyboard (azerty) |
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| 22:50.12 | xoz | ZombB: oh, ian murdoch company is the maintainer |
| 22:50.40 | SkramX | any idea why my /etc/motd file prints twice on login? |
| 22:51.06 | michael117 | I have a debian server box but need to have a graphical environment on it for a few apps and am connected with ssh but I can't start x |
| 22:51.12 | xoz | SkramX: check if .profile and .bashrc calls it |
| 22:51.25 | Telonir | ssh -X ? |
| 22:51.33 | xoz | SkramX: as well as /etc/profile, /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 22:51.41 | michael117 | I would like to host the session on the ubuntu machine I am currently on or do vnc |
| 22:52.02 | FliesLikeALap | if a dvd burner was plugged into USB on debian, what would the device name be? |
| 22:52.13 | Telonir | tzafrir_laptop, found it? |
| 22:52.24 | xoz | michael117: enable X forwarding in /etc/ssh/sshd_config of the server |
| 22:52.42 | SkramX | nope |
| 22:52.46 | Telonir | -X option |
| 22:52.47 | SkramX | doesnt look to be in either |
| 22:52.48 | xoz | michael117: and restart sshd of the server |
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| 22:54.30 | tzafrir_laptop | Telonir, I'm well aware of X over ssh. I thought you meant nx. Thanks anyway |
| 22:54.43 | Telonir | freenx |
| 22:54.54 | Telonir | i did mean nx |
| 22:54.54 | xoz | SkramX: touch .hushlogin if you dont want motd to appear :) |
| 22:55.04 | Telonir | -X is for michael117 |
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| 22:55.10 | Aghaster | hi |
| 22:55.29 | tzafrir_laptop | sorry, missed your previous post |
| 22:55.38 | SkramX | SkramX: but i want it to, but once |
| 22:55.38 | SkramX | heh |
| 22:55.54 | loggygreg | I found it dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
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| 22:56.02 | michael117 | xoz: sorry for being such a newb at this, how would I restart x? |
| 22:56.06 | michael117 | or |
| 22:56.07 | michael117 | ssh |
| 22:56.09 | michael117 | I mean |
| 22:56.15 | Telonir | found it? |
| 22:56.24 | xoz | michael117: /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 22:56.30 | Telonir | sshd |
| 22:56.37 | abrotman | MyWay: you're probably going to have to come back in here .. i gotta get heading soon |
| 22:56.40 | michael117 | the config file? |
| 22:56.43 | abrotman | MyWay: ping! |
| 22:56.44 | xoz | michael117: then ssh -X <server> |
| 22:56.44 | Aghaster | i had a serious problem with my keyboard config in debian, so after 3 days of googling and despair i installed ubuntu. this solution worked for ubuntu: http://almocafre.blogspot.com/2005/11/error-al-activar-la-configuracin-xkb.html but this package they mention doesn't exist in debian. does anybody know what could be the solution for the same problem in debian? |
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| 22:57.01 | MyWay | back here |
| 22:57.26 | FliesLikeALap | if a dvd burner was plugged into USB on debian, what would the device name be? |
| 22:57.35 | Telonir | try and see? |
| 22:57.36 | abrotman | MyWay: yeah .. i'm gonna be heading out soon .. but i'm sure someone here can help you with no screens found .. the first step is to check your X logs in /var/log/ |
| 22:58.00 | eeyore- | hmm. LogicSupply has advertisement for this processor: VIA Luke CoreFusion 800MGz processor. is that like ... 800 Mega Gigahertz? :-)))))) |
| 22:58.09 | MyWay | hm ok |
| 22:58.14 | dondelelcaro | Aghaster: it's really just a function of what you've got set as your XkbLayout and XkbModel in your X configuration. |
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| 22:58.25 | dondelelcaro | Aghaster: you can also have modified it using xmodmap, but that's kind of unusual |
| 22:58.43 | Aghaster | yes. last time i tried i completely screwed my keyboard |
| 22:58.46 | dondelelcaro | Aghaster: it'd help if you told us exactly what the original problem with your keyboard was, thoug. |
| 22:58.48 | Keefe | flies: /dev/sda1 maybe |
| 22:58.52 | Aghaster | and had to reinstall, as i couldnt even login XD |
| 22:58.56 | michael117 | xoz: "AUDIT: Thu Mar 9 11:16:16 2006: 12634 X: client 6 rejected from local host |
| 22:58.56 | michael117 | " is what I get when I typed startx after ssh -X <server> |
| 22:59.06 | dondelelcaro | Aghaster: not even at the console? |
| 22:59.08 | Keefe | flies: that is what my memory stick is |
| 22:59.20 | Aghaster | nah, because the letters where completely messed up |
| 22:59.28 | xoz | michael117: can you try just xterm? |
| 22:59.33 | MyWay | how do i start xorg? |
| 22:59.34 | dondelelcaro | Aghaster: which computer/keyboard was this? |
| 22:59.52 | dondelelcaro | Aghaster: were the keys not mapping properly or was the display messed up? |
| 23:00.06 | xoz | Aghaster: try xkeysw, xkbsel,xkbd |
| 23:00.09 | Aghaster | not mapping properly. but this was my error. |
| 23:00.11 | loggygreg | MyWay: startx |
| 23:00.19 | Telonir | MyWay, get the x-window-system package and a desktop/window manager. type startx |
| 23:00.20 | Aghaster | the problem is with the keyboard modification |
| 23:00.31 | Aghaster | i couldnt have anything else than the us keyboard |
| 23:00.40 | yawg | what is the smallest command line mp3 player? |
| 23:00.41 | dondelelcaro | Aghaster: oh, you must have symlinked the wrong keycaps file to to be the default, and then not been able to reset it |
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| 23:00.48 | dondelelcaro | yawg: mpg321 is pretty small. |
| 23:00.58 | Telonir | or 123? |
| 23:01.07 | dondelelcaro | 321, we don't distribute 123 in main. |
| 23:01.08 | Aghaster | this problem happens with every fresh install of debian etch |
| 23:01.21 | Aghaster | or with anything with the latest version of xorg |
| 23:01.25 | michael117 | xoz: "xterm: DISPLAY is not set" |
| 23:01.28 | dondelelcaro | Aghaster: really? which keyboard/computer combination is this? |
| 23:01.39 | MyWay | ok i have it but |
| 23:01.41 | Aghaster | canadian multilingual keyboard |
| 23:01.43 | MyWay | it give me error |
| 23:01.45 | MyWay | no screen found |
| 23:01.49 | Telonir | export DISPLAY=:0.0 |
| 23:01.49 | MyWay | what can i do? |
| 23:01.50 | xoz | michael117: did you use ssh -X <server with X11 forwarding> |
| 23:01.53 | tzafrir_laptop | Telonir, thanks. That source has too much extra junk, but I'll take packges and sources from there |
| 23:01.55 | sebyte | Hi all, does the Debian linux-kernel-source-2.6.15 package (which icludes Debian patches) include swsusp patches? Anyone know for sure? |
| 23:01.56 | Telonir | oh no screen |
| 23:01.59 | dondelelcaro | michael117: you're not using ssh -X or you don't have X11Forwarding yes; set. |
| 23:02.05 | Telonir | source? |
| 23:02.08 | Aghaster | i noticed they made changes in the last releases, it was named ca_enhanced and now its ca with multi variant |
| 23:02.10 | Telonir | nm |
| 23:02.16 | yawg | thank you |
| 23:02.27 | dondelelcaro | Aghaster: oh, but it works if you select the us keyboard? |
| 23:02.34 | Telonir | why do you need the sources? |
| 23:02.40 | michael117 | xoz: I enabled X11Forwarding in the sshd_config or whatever file as well as doing the ssh -X |
| 23:02.43 | Telonir | tzafrir_laptop, why do you need the sources? |
| 23:02.53 | wireddd | what is going to give me better compression bz2 or gz? |
| 23:02.55 | Aghaster | the problem is that it uses the us keyboard because it overrides default settings |
| 23:02.57 | abrotman | MyWay: look for EE lines |
| 23:02.58 | dondelelcaro | wireddd: depends. |
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| 23:03.15 | Telonir | MyWay, means you xorg is not configured right |
| 23:03.38 | michael117 | xoz: I never actually configured the GUI completely or properly after I ran through the debian setup |
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| 23:03.43 | MyWay | i know but the problem is |
| 23:03.47 | MyWay | HOW TO configure it |
| 23:03.48 | MyWay | :P |
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| 23:03.59 | sebyte | ,swsusp |
| 23:04.00 | Aghaster | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/d6RltL31.html |
| 23:04.00 | tzafrir_laptop | Telonir, if I have a package that is not from a formal Debian source, I rather keep the sources just in case I'll ever need to fix something |
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| 23:04.02 | xoz | michael117: ssh -X is local computer while X11forwarding is for the remote. you should restart sshd of the remote. |
| 23:04.02 | MyWay | abrotman: where? |
| 23:04.08 | abrotman | in your X log |
| 23:04.09 | wireddd | dondelelcaro, on what though? |
| 23:04.14 | Aghaster | whereisthecar, here's the paste of the error message ;) |
| 23:04.19 | xoz | michael117: are you running X in the local computer? |
| 23:04.28 | dondelelcaro | wireddd: on the input data, and what options you're using to gzip and bzip2 |
| 23:04.33 | michael117 | xoz: yes, just stock ubuntu |
| 23:04.38 | xoz | michael117: you should have X server running to run X client of remote |
| 23:05.15 | wireddd | dondelelcaro, I was just using tar -czf blah.tar.gz somedir/ |
| 23:05.24 | dondelelcaro | !tell Aghaster -about meaning of dondelelcaro |
| 23:05.32 | MyWay | i'm watching but i don't know |
| 23:05.33 | michael117 | xoz: When you say "ssh -X <server>" is the <server> my remote computer or the local computer? |
| 23:05.36 | MyWay | what i have to find |
| 23:05.43 | Aghaster | oh, i thought it was spanish |
| 23:05.55 | Aghaster | your nick is made of our spanish words |
| 23:05.55 | xoz | <server> means remote computer |
| 23:05.56 | wireddd | michael117, the remote computer |
| 23:06.00 | dondelelcaro | no, that would be donde est el something or other. |
| 23:06.03 | Telonir | MyWay, lines starting with (EE) |
| 23:06.04 | xoz | michael117: <server> means remote computer |
| 23:06.05 | Aghaster | out of* |
| 23:06.18 | Telonir | in /var/log/Xorg..... |
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| 23:06.40 | MyWay | Telonir: then? :O |
| 23:06.54 | xoz | michael117: you can also try for experiment enable your sshd_config X11forwarding of you localhost... then try ssh -X localhost. and run xterm. if it works, then you can try remote host |
| 23:06.57 | Telonir | what do those lines say? |
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| 23:07.09 | dondelelcaro | Aghaster: oh, so it's an issue with the xkb configuration then... not the console keymap |
| 23:07.19 | Aghaster | yeah |
| 23:07.24 | Aghaster | not with console keymap |
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| 23:07.49 | dondelelcaro | Aghaster: try switching to a different xkb map for the time being, and then report the bug to the bts... someone who has more experience with keymaps will probably be interested in learning about it. |
| 23:08.02 | xoz | michael117: you can also enable X forwarding for client in /etc/ssh/ssh_config so that you dont need the -X in ssh command for X forwarding. |
| 23:08.10 | Aghaster | this bugs has been reported a lot of times. |
| 23:08.11 | MyWay | EE no devices detected |
| 23:08.21 | dondelelcaro | Aghaster: in the bts? which bug numbers? |
| 23:08.21 | MyWay | this is |
| 23:08.23 | michael117 | xoz: I just changed that as well |
| 23:08.29 | xoz | !tell michael117 about sshx |
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| 23:09.01 | Aghaster | just google "Error activating XKB configuration" and you'll have tons of duplicate bug reports of people in despair |
| 23:09.01 | xoz | michael117: you may need to install xauth btw |
| 23:09.01 | Aghaster | lol |
| 23:09.11 | MyWay | EE no devices detected |
| 23:09.15 | Telonir | MyWay, xorgcfg or xorgconfig |
| 23:09.24 | dondelelcaro | Aghaster: other people doesn't matter... what is going on in Debian does. |
| 23:09.40 | Aghaster | well, on debian BTS. |
| 23:09.41 | nanok | MyWay: wrong driver statement for your card, probably. try vesa for starters |
| 23:09.45 | MyWay | Telonir: i have a mouse trackball usb but with an adapter ps/2 |
| 23:09.48 | MyWay | what i choose for it? |
| 23:09.50 | Aghaster | there are already lots of reports about it |
| 23:10.02 | michael117 | xoz: thanks a lot for helping me, by the way |
| 23:10.04 | MyWay | nanok it's an embedded graphic card |
| 23:10.10 | xoz | michael117: np |
| 23:10.11 | tzafrir_laptop | how do I tell wget to get only relative links without "." and ".."? or any other way to get the contets of a directory from an apache listing? |
| 23:10.17 | omry | hi, I trying to help a friend out, we have a problem seting up the x server. he keep getting a blank screen. he is using a benq 19" lcd, model fp91g. can anyone give me some hints for the x server setup? |
| 23:10.18 | nanok | MyWay: use it on usb, it is safer/better |
| 23:10.22 | Telonir | the default worked for me... /dev/mouse iirc |
| 23:10.28 | dondelelcaro | Aghaster: I'm looking at the list right now, and I don't see it. Which bug number? |
| 23:10.36 | michael117 | xoz: So, lets run through this slowly... I opened a fresh terminal and then I put in ssh -l <remotecomp> |
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| 23:10.56 | xoz | michael117: ssh -X -l user remotecomp |
| 23:10.58 | nanok | MyWay: vesa should work with prety much anyhing, though w/o accel |
| 23:11.00 | michael117 | xoz: logged in successfully, then typed ssh -X <remotecomp> and typed password |
| 23:11.03 | Telonir | -l? |
| 23:11.10 | nanok | MyWay: embeded, ok, but what chipset? |
| 23:11.14 | michael117 | xoz: successful, but then what? |
| 23:11.17 | tzafrir_laptop | ssh user@host also works |
| 23:11.42 | xoz | michael117: type xterm or any xclient like firefox |
| 23:11.43 | Aghaster | http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2004/07/msg00475.html |
| 23:11.51 | Telonir | i usuall use the @ . didnt know about -l |
| 23:12.03 | xoz | michael117: why ssh -l? |
| 23:12.05 | Telonir | xlogo |
| 23:12.19 | Aghaster | its strange that it works fine under vmware. |
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| 23:12.25 | Aghaster | now that i tried it |
| 23:12.30 | mike4479 | Hi can anyone please help me to get my wireless linksys PCMCIA card working please? |
| 23:12.46 | mike4479 | I realy stuck |
| 23:12.59 | michael117 | xoz: I'm not exactly amazing with my ssh skills and saw that somewhere and just type it in |
| 23:13.01 | Aghaster | mike4479: not a good answer. lol |
| 23:13.09 | xoz | michael117: your current computer should be running X server and everytime you connect to remote by ssh -X, it should forward any X11 requests to your X server in the local computer |
| 23:13.14 | Aghaster | oh, i read "i really suck" |
| 23:13.15 | Aghaster | lol |
| 23:13.17 | michael117 | xoz: it still says DISPLAY is not set |
| 23:13.24 | SerajewelKS | !tell Aghaster about lol |
| 23:13.25 | dondelelcaro | Aghaster: uh... that bug was fixed in 4.3.0.dfsg.1-9 |
| 23:13.29 | Aghaster | argh. |
| 23:13.37 | kspath | lol |
| 23:13.39 | xoz | michael117: use ssh -X, not ssh -l |
| 23:13.40 | kspath | hehehe |
| 23:13.42 | mike4479 | Aghsater: lol yep it's not goof |
| 23:13.45 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs #258575 |
| 23:13.49 | dpkg | DONE:#258575:W[xlibs] xlibs: want multi-layout versions of ca and us_intl layouts; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 13:03:01 UTC |
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| 23:14.06 | Telonir | michael117, that happens to me too |
| 23:14.10 | Aghaster | c'mon don't tell me i sound like an AOL user, lol is so common |
| 23:14.18 | Telonir | do "export DISPLAY=:0.0" |
| 23:14.20 | michael117 | xoz: oh, I just first connected like that just to get a connection |
| 23:14.28 | dondelelcaro | Aghaster: as was AOL. |
| 23:14.30 | michael117 | Telonir: just type it? |
| 23:14.30 | SerajewelKS | Aghaster: it's also annoying |
| 23:14.30 | xoz | michael117: then it will not work |
| 23:14.33 | Aghaster | i dnt spe4k lik tis |
| 23:14.39 | Telonir | in the remote session |
| 23:14.56 | Telonir | before you type xterm |
| 23:14.57 | xoz | michael117: your originating computer should be all -X thru and thru |
| 23:15.01 | mike4479 | anyone here good at wireless suff willing to help a newbie |
| 23:15.04 | kspath | Aghaster: There are those that think lol started with AOL even though it did not and others that say lol does not sound like laughing like they claim hehehe or hahaha does. What can I say. |
| 23:15.05 | MyWay | i reconfigured it |
| 23:15.08 | MyWay | but always the SAME |
| 23:15.13 | xoz | michael117: any discontinuity will not forward X. |
| 23:15.16 | SerajewelKS | !tell mike4479 about ask |
| 23:15.22 | MyWay | no screen found |
| 23:15.24 | xoz | michael117: is your local computer not running X? |
| 23:15.28 | Aghaster | uh. ok. i see. this channel is like this. |
| 23:15.52 | SerajewelKS | kspath: lol doesn't sound like laughter to me, does it to you? |
| 23:15.53 | PerfDave | This channel is the most helpful IRC channel I've ever found :) |
| 23:15.53 | Telonir | michael117: ssh user@hostname |
| 23:16.03 | Telonir | enter the password |
| 23:16.09 | Telonir | typeport DISPLAY=:0.0" |
| 23:16.16 | kspath | Aghaster: Like what? There are people that want proper spelling, grammar and punctuation is most large channels. Try to use hehehe here if you can. |
| 23:16.17 | mike4479 | Serajewelks: the lights are on the card but netcard will not find it i am using kanotix |
| 23:16.18 | Telonir | type "export DISPLAY=:0.0" |
| 23:16.26 | Telonir | type "xterm" |
| 23:16.33 | SerajewelKS | mike4479: kanotix is not debian, join #kanotix |
| 23:16.35 | Telonir | ssh -X |
| 23:16.41 | Telonir | forgot the -X |
| 23:16.45 | kspath | SerajewelKS: I have heard some goofy laughs that come really close. ;-) |
| 23:16.47 | xoz | michael117: ssh -X should take care of the display Telonir |
| 23:16.58 | SerajewelKS | kspath: hnahnahna! |
| 23:17.11 | Telonir | michael117, lest do it step by step |
| 23:17.14 | SerajewelKS | kspath: hyna rather.. nasal naugh |
| 23:17.19 | dondelelcaro | kspath, Aghaster: the main issue is that most of us here read hundreds of thousands of lines of text every day, and reading lines where people haven't bothered to write concisely is a waste of everyone's time. |
| 23:17.23 | Telonir | have you loged in? |
| 23:17.25 | mike4479 | Serajewelks: but ok sorry i thought since it was debian base i good get some help |
| 23:17.29 | tzafrir_laptop | wget --no-parent ... |
| 23:17.30 | SerajewelKS | kspath: or hnya depending on the type of laugh |
| 23:17.32 | Aghaster | ok. |
| 23:17.35 | xoz | michael117: ssh -X -l <username> <remotehost>... then when you are log-on, type xterm |
| 23:17.48 | eeyore- | kspath: how about jajaja or jejeje |
| 23:17.50 | SerajewelKS | mike4479: a common mistake, and since there are a lot of distributions based on debian we can't support all of them |
| 23:17.57 | Telonir | before xterm type "export DISPLAY=:0.0" |
| 23:18.16 | dondelelcaro | Telonir: no, that won't work if you're ssh'ing into a remote box. |
| 23:18.24 | Telonir | hmmm |
| 23:18.26 | dondelelcaro | :0.0 is a local display. |
| 23:18.33 | SerajewelKS | !sshx |
| 23:18.33 | dpkg | i heard sshx is Enable X11Forwarding **on the server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
| 23:18.37 | SerajewelKS | maybe that will help? |
| 23:18.39 | dondelelcaro | localhost:10.0 is generally the first ssh tunneled display |
| 23:18.48 | mike4479 | Serajewelks: ah very true, ok thanks anyways by for now I might have to download ture debian the lol |
| 23:18.58 | kspath | dondelelcaro: I do not understand what concise would have to do with lol or hehe or jeje. I do like to read/see clear spelling, grammar, punctuation, reasoning in all communications. |
| 23:19.07 | Telonir | i only tetsed ssh locally |
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| 23:19.25 | dondelelcaro | kspath: because loll means something totally different from laughing? |
| 23:19.29 | Telonir | so try "export DISPLAY=localhost:10.0" ? |
| 23:19.42 | xoz | export is useless with ssh -X |
| 23:19.49 | SerajewelKS | Telonir: if you use -X, it will set DISPLAY for you |
| 23:20.00 | Ashex | what's the command to extract a tar.bz2 file? |
| 23:20.11 | dondelelcaro | Ashex: tar jxf foo.bz2 |
| 23:20.15 | dondelelcaro | Ashex: man tar; |
| 23:20.26 | Aghaster | la angla lingvo ne estas tre logika, sed esperanto estas multa facil de komprender. |
| 23:20.30 | MyWay | hm can't make it working -_- |
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| 23:20.52 | kspath | Aghaster: That is something you want to avoid in an English based channel whenever possible. |
| 23:20.53 | xoz | michael117: what happened? |
| 23:20.59 | dondelelcaro | unfortunatly, esperanto isn't logical either. |
| 23:21.07 | eeyore- | swahili man, swahili |
| 23:21.23 | avar | Aghaster: please don't speak foreign |
| 23:21.30 | Aghaster | esperanto has the most logical grammar you can ever find ;) |
| 23:21.32 | djp | which version of debian is recommended for a new user? stable or testing? i want to use debian as my main desktop machine for home use. |
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| 23:21.46 | Aghaster | btw just ask, i guess half of the people here are foreign speakers |
| 23:21.57 | Aghaster | i am not a native speaker myself. my native language is french |
| 23:21.59 | nkuttler | djp: stable |
| 23:22.04 | karsten | Aghaster: Richtig. |
| 23:22.18 | Aghaster | we speak english because its the language most people know. thats all. |
| 23:22.18 | karsten | Aghaster: Ou maintenant. |
| 23:22.19 | djp | nkuttler, thansk |
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| 23:22.34 | dondelelcaro | Aghaster: since it can't be NLPed any easier than english, it's not likely. As far as other languages go, there are channels set up specifically for them, like #debian-xy |
| 23:22.49 | Agentj87 | hey i have a question |
| 23:22.52 | Agentj87 | im tryin to download a file thru debian from a website thats passworded, i use a porxy from my box and login but when i try to download it only a 3k file |
| 23:22.52 | Aghaster | lol, i don't care i speak english. |
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| 23:23.17 | Aghaster | language specifics channels are a way not to have good help. it divides people |
| 23:23.19 | karsten | Aghaster: What are you using for the d/l? |
| 23:23.22 | kspath | Aghaster: English? hehehe not lol? |
| 23:23.33 | Aghaster | for the download? |
| 23:23.37 | Aghaster | uh, karsten? |
| 23:23.40 | karsten | Aghaster: It puts people who can putatively communicate together. |
| 23:23.46 | karsten | Aghaster: d/l == download. |
| 23:23.53 | Aghaster | i noticed. look at my remark. |
| 23:23.54 | Mawbid | I have a debian kernel (2.6.15, .14 was the same), an nForce4 chipset, and PATA drives. I get no dma and hdparm -d1 says "HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Invalid argument". anything I should try before compiling my own kernel? kernel+drives worked with previous (nForce3) mobo. |
| 23:23.57 | dondelelcaro | Aghaster: no, it's just because we can't help people in many different languages here. There are channels for other languages; if you can speak multiple languages, you join multiple channels. |
| 23:23.58 | nkuttler | karsten: Agentj87 |
| 23:24.08 | karsten | nkuttler: Point. |
| 23:24.12 | karsten | Aghaster: NM. |
| 23:24.26 | karsten | Agentj87: Whta are you using for d/l? |
| 23:24.28 | Aghaster | dondelecaro: i simply wanted to point out the fact english didnt such a logical grammer compared to esperanto. thats all. |
| 23:24.41 | Aghaster | have* |
| 23:24.46 | Agentj87 | «karsten» mpg file |
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| 23:24.54 | SerajewelKS | Aghaster: but i can't speak spanish, and i don't want half my screen filled with spanish while i try to help someone in english |
| 23:25.03 | eeyore- | Mawbid: i would try 2.6.15 ... some nforce4 (esp the Opteron ones) will require updated drivers |
| 23:25.07 | xoz | when it comes to quantity, chinese is the most spoken language. |
| 23:25.17 | kspath | Aghaster: You will want to initial capitalize language names because they are proper names? |
| 23:25.19 | Aghaster | SerajewelKS: this wasn't spanish, hehe. and i did only a sentence in esperanto. |
| 23:25.29 | eeyore- | Mawbid: have two zmax dp's here that really wants 2.6.15 to drive the integrated ethernet, for example |
| 23:25.32 | SerajewelKS | Aghaster: regardless of language the point stands |
| 23:25.47 | karsten | Aghaster: What program are you using to d/l? Web browser? wget? curl? |
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| 23:25.55 | eeyore- | kspath: tell that to e e cummings |
| 23:25.58 | kspath | SerajewelKS: kspath hands SerajewelKS a . (period) for that last sentence. |
| 23:26.11 | kspath | eeyore-: hehehe |
| 23:26.12 | Mawbid | eeyore- : thanks, but you misread. this is 2.6.15 |
| 23:26.17 | Aghaster | it doesn't, as i didnt want to start a conversation in a foreign language. i wanted to say only a sentence. if it filled your screen, then you must be using some kind of weird resolution... |
| 23:26.23 | Aghaster | ;) |
| 23:26.23 | knvinh_ | I am wondering wether it is possible to start GNOME while running KDE? |
| 23:26.26 | MyWay | kspath: i have a problem with X, no screen found, no devices found |
| 23:26.28 | MyWay | what can i do? |
| 23:26.35 | eeyore- | Mawbid: what can i say, i have gentoo patches :-) |
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| 23:26.44 | eurisko | unstable is sarge? |
| 23:26.48 | Aghaster | karsten: depends of what i am downloading. when browsing i use FF |
| 23:26.50 | MyWay | no |
| 23:26.51 | karsten | knvinh_: It depends. |
| 23:26.52 | dondelelcaro | eurisko: no. |
| 23:26.55 | nevyn | eurisko: no |
| 23:27.03 | knvinh_ | karsten: I guessDISPLAY is the key |
| 23:27.04 | eeyore- | Mawbid: maybe try another tree besides the vanilla linus tree |
| 23:27.06 | Aghaster | for other stuff i use azureus (bittorrent) and emule. |
| 23:27.06 | xoz | knvinh_: gnome clients is ok except another window manager |
| 23:27.10 | pjv | petemc: you still there? are you using knx as the client btw? |
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| 23:27.14 | xoz | s/is/are |
| 23:27.19 | nkuttler | MyWay: /msg dpkg no screens found |
| 23:27.24 | karsten | Aghaster: You should be able to d/l a link then. Make sure you're not redirecting to a splash page. curl and wget offer some authentication options. |
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| 23:27.31 | Agentj87 | «karsten» im agentj87 u throw me off when u say Aghaster |
| 23:27.32 | eurisko | i am running unstable, yesterday i made a upgrade... and xorg stop working i am sure everything is setup currently, but no screens are found ... |
| 23:27.41 | karsten | knvinh_: You can launch a second X session. |
| 23:27.49 | karsten | Agentj87: Sorry, tab completion here... |
| 23:27.52 | petemc | pjv: i use the mac client |
| 23:27.54 | eurisko | if i load the module again... i can start it from X, but xdm dosen't. |
| 23:27.55 | kspath | eeyore-: some people use lower case for special purposes which is quite different than not knowing about basic rules of language. I am not a grammar/rules fanatic. I was only trying to ... |
| 23:27.56 | Agentj87 | «karsten» im using wget |
| 23:27.57 | karsten | Aghaster: NM again... |
| 23:28.01 | SerajewelKS | kspath: i don't punctuate the end of my sentences unless there are multiple sentences in one line |
| 23:28.03 | Aghaster | karsten: sorry, but i'm not getting the point |
| 23:28.04 | knvinh_ | karsten: can you tell me how to do that? |
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| 23:28.09 | eeyore- | kspath: i just hate hitting the shift key |
| 23:28.13 | vira | i just did 'apt-get upgrade' and now when i reboot i have no net access, because the PC card stuff (with the ethernet) gets loaded after the network configuration. how to fix? |
| 23:28.13 | SerajewelKS | kspath: think of all the bytes i save! |
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| 23:28.16 | karsten | Agentj87: Well, then, that would have been helpful to mention. |
| 23:28.25 | Agentj87 | sorry |
| 23:28.25 | pjv | ahh |
| 23:28.27 | Agentj87 | lol |
| 23:28.32 | pjv | then it's my client |
| 23:28.35 | karsten | knvinh_: as root anywhere or as user at console: startx -- :<displaynumber> |
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| 23:28.50 | eurisko | /msg dpkg no screens found |
| 23:28.52 | kspath | SerajewelKS: The mommies and daddies of all those little 1s and 0s will be so happy with you. |
| 23:28.53 | karsten | Agentj87: man wget. |
| 23:28.59 | karsten | Aghaster: NM == nevermind. |
| 23:29.04 | kyncani | vira: put the ethernet module name in /etc/modules |
| 23:29.06 | Agentj87 | «karsten» i used wget link |
| 23:29.15 | eeyore- | and the rule regarding use of ," before quote? nah, ", is clearer |
| 23:29.22 | Aghaster | karsten: i got the point about this. btw its "nvm" not "NM" |
| 23:29.23 | karsten | Agentj87: wget --password <pass> --user <user> |
| 23:29.27 | eurisko | is there anyu issue with xorg in unstable? |
| 23:29.31 | michael117 | xoz: sorry, I had left for a couple of minutes. I made sure that x was running by typing startx on my local machine and got "Server is already active for display 0" so then I typed the "export DISPLAY=:0.0" someone else suggested and now I typed "nautilus" on my remote computer and got "Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 23:29.31 | michael117 | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 23:29.31 | michael117 | (nautilus:12842): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:" |
| 23:29.33 | karsten | Aghaster: Isn't! |
| 23:29.36 | Agentj87 | ty karsten |
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| 23:29.44 | Aghaster | you wanna verify? |
| 23:29.44 | kspath | eeyore-: Yes, the "asdfalkdjflajdfj." rule is silly |
| 23:29.49 | karsten | !tell Aghaster about nm |
| 23:30.09 | vira | kyncani, how do i determine the ethernet module name? would it be 'eth0'? |
| 23:30.10 | Aghaster | dpkg doesnt tell me it means nevermind. |
| 23:30.11 | eeyore- | kspath: i think the "foo," is *typographical* (it looks nicer) |
| 23:30.48 | xoz | michael117: i have to go. just follow the instruction in /msg dpkg sshx |
| 23:30.48 | kspath | eeyore-: I prefer to "aselfjaljadfj.". the period inside is quoted becuase it was part of the quote whereas the period on the outside ends that sentence. |
| 23:30.48 | karsten | Aghaster: Does. NM. EOF. |
| 23:30.48 | eeyore- | kspath: you could kernel the ," pair so it reads nicer in print form, i guess |
| 23:30.52 | SerajewelKS | eeyore-: in technical channels (i.e. #debian) i do ", for clarity. on homework assignments i try to stuck to ," ;) |
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| 23:31.00 | SerajewelKS | eeyore-: stick* |
| 23:31.08 | xoz | !grammar |
| 23:31.09 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, grammar is a system of pitfalls thoughtfully prepared for the feet of the self-made man, along the path by which he advances to distinction. |
| 23:31.09 | Aghaster | karsten: i know all of these acronyms. i did not say "lol" again. are you trying to use as much acronyms as you can? |
| 23:31.23 | eeyore- | s/kernel/kern :-) |
| 23:31.27 | knvinh_ | karsten: OK, I got it, thanks |
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| 23:31.29 | eeyore- | damn muscle memory |
| 23:31.35 | kyncani | vira: well, i don't know. I would look at lsmod output and find the module name |
| 23:31.49 | eeyore- | i start typing k e r n and the fingers want to add e l :-) |
| 23:31.58 | [ill]will | whats the filename i have to edit for my display resolution |
| 23:32.14 | SerajewelKS | eeyore-: when i type "serve" it usually comes out "server" |
| 23:32.15 | michael117 | xoz: thanks a lot |
| 23:32.21 | eeyore- | SerajewelKS: same here |
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| 23:32.22 | kyncani | !tell [ill]will about drxx |
| 23:32.25 | vira | kyncani: lsmod doesn't seem to list anything network related |
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| 23:32.46 | eeyore- | SerajewelKS: i wonder how many of these "finger-autocomplete" words there are |
| 23:32.47 | nanok | vira: lspci, see what chipset you have |
| 23:32.48 | SerajewelKS | eeyore-: and for some reason i get "doxbox" instead of "dosbox" fairly frequently |
| 23:33.04 | kyncani | vira: if the interface is up, then there is a module handling the card listed with lsmod |
| 23:33.05 | [ill]will | i picked a disply sizr thats too big for my monitor |
| 23:33.06 | karsten | knvinh_: You can also try stuff like Xnest (additional displays, within an existing X display) or VNC (additional displays on a VNC virtual display). Both let you experiment with other desktops or related concepts. |
| 23:33.26 | kspath | eeyore-: what about the rule of item0, item1, item2, and itemlast. Some people say that that last comma is not needed. |
| 23:33.39 | vira | kyncani: the if is down :( |
| 23:33.40 | SerajewelKS | kspath: they LIE! |
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| 23:33.48 | kspath | SerajewelKS: exactly. |
| 23:33.57 | vira | nanok: ethernet is a d-link cardbus pc card |
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| 23:34.10 | karsten | kspath: Eats, shoots and leaves. |
| 23:34.15 | SerajewelKS | kspath: that's probably the single most annoying recent change to grammar |
| 23:34.16 | eeyore- | kspath: i would omit the last comma before "and". sometimes i omit ";" at the end of each bulleted paragraphs as well |
| 23:34.21 | kspath | karsten: I should get those books. |
| 23:34.28 | vira | kyncani: and by down i mean not present |
| 23:34.29 | SerajewelKS | kspath: whoo, four adjectives. beat that. |
| 23:34.41 | karsten | kspath: Makes the point wonderfully. The New York Times (wrongly) uses that style. I hate it. |
| 23:35.03 | knvinh_ | karsten: about desktop envir, I 've listened about compiz, and alglx , have you tried them? |
| 23:35.30 | knvinh_ | karsten: not exactly desk env, about X-Windows |
| 23:35.36 | Mawbid | I like the last comma in English. It's not used in Icelandic and I often read the list as containing a pair at the end. |
| 23:35.49 | kspath | karsten: That last comma feels right to me and I do not know why. |
| 23:35.52 | karsten | knvinh_: Never heard of 'em. |
| 23:36.17 | karsten | Mawbid: Yes. |
| 23:36.25 | Agentj87 | «karsten» im a bit confused , the comand line u gave me didnt work, ic see this in man,--http-user=user |
| 23:36.25 | Agentj87 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:36.29 | SerajewelKS | kspath: because without it, it feels like you rush through the last two. "one, two, three and four" reads like "one two threeandfour" in my head. |
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| 23:36.32 | Agentj87 | sorry for pasting everyone |
| 23:36.36 | karsten | kspath: ... and whatsherface (ES&L) is a pretty good read as well. |
| 23:36.45 | nanok | chnages in grammar are just the academics in languages/lingvistics (who are bored to death) way of trying to show they are not useless |
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| 23:36.54 | nanok | it isnt worknig, i might add |
| 23:36.55 | kspath | SerajewelKS: good point |
| 23:36.55 | karsten | Aghaster: Not all sites use http auth. |
| 23:36.56 | kspath | . |
| 23:36.58 | kyncani | vira: well, boot knoppix and find the module name with lsmod then ? |
| 23:37.01 | nanok | hust my humble oppinion :) |
| 23:37.04 | SerajewelKS | kspath: where "one, two, three, and four" reads like "one two three andfour" which makes my brain happier |
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| 23:37.07 | karsten | Agentj87: ^^ |
| 23:37.09 | Agentj87 | k |
| 23:37.13 | rafael | hello |
| 23:37.14 | knvinh_ | karsten: add new 3D render features to X-Windows, such as you can rotate your desktop, they can run quicky because they use OpenGL |
| 23:37.16 | karsten | Agentj87: ... you may need to supply a cookie fiel. |
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| 23:37.21 | eeyore- | kspath: how adamant are you about various dashes (em, en), semicolon and ellipsis? |
| 23:37.25 | vira | ah, good idea.. i'll try that |
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| 23:37.32 | michael117 | Is there any other name for xauth in debian because I keep getting "E: Couldn't find package xauth" when I type in "apt-get install xauth" |
| 23:37.37 | karsten | knvinh_: Right, is that the stuff demoed in a Novell video? Also available for Mac OS X? |
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| 23:37.45 | eurisko | oh god... |
| 23:37.46 | knvinh_ | karsten: compiz from SUSE, and alglx from Redhat |
| 23:37.48 | kspath | SerajewelKS: Yes, I agree. That does feel more right to me and your example/explanation(sp?) makes sense to me. |
| 23:37.50 | nanok | michael117: use apt-cache search |
| 23:37.52 | merlincorey | what's the proper command / method to clear apt's cache of downloaded packages? I'm running low on disk space :D |
| 23:37.52 | karsten | knvinh_: Looks very slick. I suspect it would be annoying in practice. |
| 23:38.06 | ParoXsitiC | How can I output only the last 5 GREP matches of a file, instead of all of them |
| 23:38.13 | SerajewelKS | kspath: (sp okay) |
| 23:38.13 | merlincorey | ParoXsitiC: tail |
| 23:38.23 | Mawbid | merlincorey: apt-get clean |
| 23:38.25 | nanok | merlincorey: apt-get clean |
| 23:38.26 | kspath | eeyore-: I am not so strict at times partially out of extreme ignorance more than anything else. I am very under-educated. |
| 23:38.26 | knvinh_ | karsten: yes, MacOCX has it, and Vista will have it, Linux will too, yeah |
| 23:38.31 | merlincorey | Mawbid, nanok, thanks |
| 23:38.36 | ParoXsitiC | merlincorey: can you bit a bit more specific. grep -tail ? |
| 23:38.50 | Agentj87 | «karsten» i have no cluew what im doing |
| 23:38.54 | merlincorey | ParoXsitiC: man tail; I would grep REGEX | tail -5 |
| 23:38.59 | karsten | knvinh_: Right. |
| 23:39.00 | ParoXsitiC | ok |
| 23:39.08 | karsten | Agentj87: Makes two of us and I've got to split. |
| 23:39.34 | Agentj87 | anyone else here able to help me |
| 23:39.35 | Agentj87 | ? |
| 23:39.38 | eeyore- | trivia question of the day: what's the proper name of this symbol -> # <- |
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| 23:39.48 | kspath | eeyore-: Are you a fan of language(s)? (Spoken and written) |
| 23:39.50 | michael117 | sharp? |
| 23:39.51 | merlincorey | eeyore-: pound, hash |
| 23:40.00 | eeyore- | kspath: not really |
| 23:40.12 | basbryan | eeyore: tic-tac-toe |
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| 23:40.17 | kspath | eeyore-: pound the hash down on the british monetary unit hard and fast |
| 23:40.32 | Coweater | does sarge mount the cd at /cdrom during installation? |
| 23:40.33 | eeyore- | it's an "octothorp", you guys |
| 23:40.49 | kspath | eeyore-: proper name! ugh |
| 23:40.58 | kspath | !# |
| 23:40.59 | dpkg | [#] HASH DAMMIT, HASH! NO! OCTOTHORPE! |
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| 23:41.17 | kspath | eeyore-: /me hands eeyore- an e |
| 23:41.20 | thingfish | !bourbon |
| 23:41.21 | dpkg | bourbon is, like, THE SHIT.. Damn, it's THe drink ;-) |
| 23:41.25 | eeyore- | not supposed to have an "e" |
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| 23:41.47 | Ashex | Is this normal? http://pastebin.com/593531 |
| 23:41.49 | kspath | eeyore-: Tell dpkg. |
| 23:42.09 | nanok | Ashex: no, it's not |
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| 23:42.30 | kspath | eeyore-: There are British and American spellings for things and lets not get into sub-sections or international English. |
| 23:42.43 | SerajewelKS | eeyore-: dictionary.com says it's octothorpe |
| 23:42.49 | Ashex | nanok, what's up with my source then :S |
| 23:42.51 | fyzix | How do I get in touch with the APT developers? |
| 23:42.54 | thingfish | I personally say, let's dispense with the pedantry. |
| 23:42.57 | eeyore- | Ashex: looks to me like you're re-using old config files from older kernel |
| 23:43.00 | nanok | Ashex: dunno. tell us more |
| 23:43.01 | SerajewelKS | fyzix: you email them |
| 23:43.02 | merlincorey | fyzix: what for? |
| 23:43.03 | kspath | SerajewelKS: What does OED say about it? |
| 23:43.08 | eeyore- | Ashex: best to just start "clean" for this version |
| 23:43.11 | fyzix | Yeah but where? |
| 23:43.16 | thingfish | I mean, some of it's necessary, because of the deficiencies of the u.s. education system. |
| 23:43.27 | merlincorey | fyzix: package maintainer or mailing lists would be a start |
| 23:43.41 | Ashex | nanok: I'm using kernel-package to create a kernel to use |
| 23:43.43 | vira | http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Octothorpe |
| 23:43.45 | eeyore- | SerajewelKS: ok, must be one of those regional thing :-) |
| 23:43.56 | ineffable | Agentj87: okay, so you're using wget to try and download a file from an http source, but the source is passworded? is that where we are? |
| 23:43.59 | fyzix | I already tried package maintaner. And not sure about the mailing list |
| 23:44.27 | nanok | Ashex: what did you do before make xconfig |
| 23:44.30 | fyzix | Mailed about 2 weeks ago the package maintainer and no answer |
| 23:44.32 | eeyore- | thingfish: it's the obligatory #debian off-topic hour, get with the program |
| 23:44.33 | merlincorey | fyzix: the mailing list isn't sure of you either |
| 23:44.45 | SerajewelKS | kspath: not sure, oed wants me to pay money |
| 23:44.52 | merlincorey | eeyore-: there's always #debian-offtopic |
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| 23:45.05 | kspath | thingfish: deficiency does not begin to show/explain/define the US educational systems. |
| 23:45.09 | fyzix | lol. I mean I dont remember if I sent a mail to it. What is the address, you know? |
| 23:45.11 | Agentj87 | «ineffable» yes im using wget, from a user/pass http site both which i have |
| 23:45.22 | merlincorey | fyzix: not sure, either, sorry |
| 23:45.30 | fyzix | :-) |
| 23:45.30 | kspath | SerajewelKS: OED is a VERY cool set. |
| 23:45.32 | Ashex | nanok: I extracted the kernel source and cd'd into it |
| 23:45.50 | eeyore- | Ashex: before you run make-kpkg, just do "make mrproper" |
| 23:45.56 | kspath | SerajewelKS: If you can get their 2-volume version with magnifier do it. |
| 23:45.58 | nanok | Ashex: vanilla kernel? what version? |
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| 23:46.21 | ineffable | Agentj87, Okay. Try this: "wget --http-user=<username> --http-password=<password> <url> replacing <username> with your username (no brackets), <password> with your password, etc |
| 23:46.26 | nanok | eeyore-: if he just unaked it, that shouldnt be an issue.. |
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| 23:46.36 | nanok | unpacked, sorry |
| 23:46.37 | Ashex | nanok: 2.6.15 |
| 23:46.40 | SerajewelKS | kspath: i have better things to buy, like tuition |
| 23:47.03 | ineffable | Agentj87, so if my username is ineffable and my password is effable, I would do "wget --http-user=ineffable http-password=effable http://www.somesite.com" |
| 23:47.14 | eeyore- | nanok: let's just nuke this thing from orbit --- it's the only way to be sure |
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| 23:47.25 | KittieRose | This(obviously) applies to paedophilia and bestial "marriages". |
| 23:47.26 | KittieRose | You can use the same argument for anything. Animals cannot consent, nor can children, so they will never be able to marry. Remember that Soddomy is legal, and Peadophilia still isn't. Where was your slippery slope to save you then? That alone discounts it. |
| 23:47.28 | nanok | eeyore-: hmm.. fair enough :) |
| 23:47.30 | KittieRose | Polygamy is also a seperate issue. Personally, I think some people, but very rarely, may have those kind of leanings. I don't think they should get multiple benefits for that, though as it's unfair and cheating the system. |
| 23:47.32 | fyzix | Is APT short for aptitude? |
| 23:47.33 | KittieRose | Not to mention that homo/bisexuality is far more common, and is essentially the same as a traditional relationship, just without gender being a definite factor. |
| 23:47.34 | SerajewelKS | ineffable: or wget 'http://uneffable:effable@www.somesite.com' |
| 23:47.36 | KittieRose | http://epiadv.netfirms.com |
| 23:47.42 | eeyore- | KittieRose: whoa! whoa! |
| 23:47.52 | SerajewelKS | ineffable: ineffable too |
| 23:48.09 | KittieRose | PENIS |
| 23:48.12 | Agentj87 | «ineffable» i go tthis , get: unrecognised option `--http-password |
| 23:48.14 | KittieRose | IS this about LINUX |
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| 23:48.22 | azeem | KittieRose: yes, you're offtopic |
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| 23:48.23 | ineffable | SerajewelKS, true |
| 23:48.26 | fyzix | <merlincorey> Is APT short for aptitude? |
| 23:48.35 | eeyore- | i fucking love bitchx |
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| 23:48.52 | dondelelcaro | eeyore-: heh. |
| 23:48.58 | SerajewelKS | fyzix: no |
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| 23:49.18 | fyzix | didn't think so |
| 23:49.27 | ineffable | Agentj87, okay, try it using SerajewelKS' way then. Type "wget --password=<password> <username>@<url>" |
| 23:49.32 | unstable | xoz: I updated my bios..now what? |
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| 23:49.39 | SerajewelKS | ineffable: that wasn't my way |
| 23:49.40 | nanok | Ashex: so: make mrporoper; make menuconfig |
| 23:49.40 | nanok | ? |
| 23:49.41 | streuner_ | eeyore-: who's next? ;-) |
| 23:49.43 | Agentj87 | ok |
| 23:49.45 | Agentj87 | lemem try |
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| 23:49.51 | dondelelcaro | eeyore-: you just can't win. |
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| 23:49.54 | streuner_ | fuck |
| 23:49.55 | ineffable | SerajewelKS, oh. guess I misread it. sorry |
| 23:49.58 | eeyore- | who set that ban? :-p |
| 23:50.03 | Ashex | nanok: i'll try that |
| 23:50.05 | streuner_ | heh |
| 23:50.17 | streuner_ | dondelelcaro: why not? |
| 23:50.19 | Agentj87 | «SerajewelKS» is the user first then pass on link |
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| 23:50.20 | Agentj87 | ? |
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| 23:50.49 | streuner_ | dondelelcaro: that's totally unimportant |
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| 23:51.01 | eeyore- | maybe i should refrain from +o today |
| 23:51.02 | ineffable | Agentj87, yes |
| 23:51.04 | dondelelcaro | streuner_: what are you talking about? |
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| 23:51.13 | streuner_ | dondelelcaro: nm |
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| 23:51.17 | Agentj87 | «ineffable» i got this doing that |
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| 23:51.18 | Agentj87 | Bad port number. |
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| 23:52.00 | Telonir | tzafrir_laptop, NX ? |
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| 23:52.14 | Agentj87 | «ineffable» it worked |
| 23:52.15 | eeyore- | i hate that kick_if_banned option |
| 23:52.28 | bricecube | does Debian sarge stock kernel have TMPFS support built in ? |
| 23:52.30 | Agentj87 | «SerajewelKS» thank you also |
| 23:52.37 | eeyore- | the thing is set to "off" yet it still kicks |
| 23:52.55 | dondelelcaro | eeyore-: time to use irssii-text! |
| 23:53.03 | bricecube | also, regarding tmpfs, is there supposed to be an entry in /etc/fstab for /dev/shm ?? |
| 23:53.06 | eeyore- | dondelelcaro: maybe ... maybe ... |
| 23:53.08 | michael117 | I am trying to do "ssh -X <remotecomp>" on a remote computer and am prompted by a password, so I type in the root password but it doesn't accept it |
| 23:53.26 | ineffable | michael117, root password will only work if you log in as root |
| 23:53.35 | eeyore- | bricecube: yep |
| 23:53.53 | ineffable | michael117, try "ssh -X root@remotecomp" instead |
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| 23:54.16 | Mawbid | <sigh> the problem with compiling a kernel to fix a total lack of DMA is kind of like the problem with searching for your glasses |
| 23:54.16 | eeyore- | bricew: uh wait, not for debian :-) |
| 23:54.26 | dooglus | michael117: it's possible the remote host doesn't allow root logins in ssh. |
| 23:54.27 | nanok | michael117: the user name defaults to the current user name you locally use |
| 23:54.41 | bricecube | eeyore-, TMPFS not in ? |
| 23:54.42 | eeyore- | bricecube: not for debian, /etc/init.d/mountdevsubfs |
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| 23:54.47 | Ashex | nanok: I got the same errors with make menuconfig, and there's no mrporper |
| 23:55.01 | bricecube | eeyore-, thanks.. I'll look into it |
| 23:55.02 | ineffable | michael117, I mean, if you want to log in as root. it's generally considered a better idea to log in as a user first, though, and then su or sudo into root as needed |
| 23:55.07 | eeyore- | bricecube: it's a nicety for debian |
| 23:55.11 | nanok | Ashex: huh? |
| 23:55.21 | bricecube | eeyore-, should I upgrade sarge to 2.6 ? :) |
| 23:55.25 | ineffable | michael117, I suggest "ssh -X <someuser>@<remotecomp>" |
| 23:55.32 | Ashex | nanok: what? |
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| 23:55.37 | michael117 | ineffable: I'm in but got "Warning: No xauth data; using fake authentication data for X11 forwarding." |
| 23:55.42 | eeyore- | bricecube: your personal preference. if it ain't broken, why fix it? |
| 23:55.43 | unstable | dondelelcaro: How can I get my fn key to work on my toshiba laptop? I did apt-get install toshset toshutils, and all the programs can come with those packages say my kernel isn't supported...and when I do "modprobe toshiba_acpi" I get ... "FATAL: Error inserting toshiba_acpi (/lib/modules/2.6.15-1-686/kernel/drivers/acpi/toshiba_acpi.ko): No such device" |
| 23:55.48 | nanok | Ashex: what do you mean, no mrproper? |
| 23:56.06 | ohad00 | i am trying to compile the appletouch driver into my kernel - there's no man/doc on how to do that.. help? ( i know this is not #debianppc) |
| 23:56.06 | Ashex | nanok: you said to try make mrporper, did you mean mrproper? |
| 23:56.08 | lazzarello | is there a Debian Way^tm to patch the kernel for iptables extensions like nth and random? |
| 23:56.10 | bricecube | eeyore-, true.. just worried about handling of increased load |
| 23:56.14 | dooglus | michael117: you need to make sure that you're able to run X apps (like 'xclock', say) from the terminal where you run "ssh" |
| 23:56.21 | nanok | Ashex: oh, sorry |
| 23:56.23 | ineffable | michael117, I'm not sure about that one, but if the remote machine is running debian, I know that debian strongly discourages root running X |
| 23:56.26 | eeyore- | bricecube: 2.6 does have some nice new features |
| 23:56.31 | nanok | Ashex: yes, mrproper |
| 23:56.47 | nanok | Ashex: the fingers were faster than my sight. and wrong :/ |
| 23:56.48 | bricecube | eeyore-, and am having to recompile 2.4 anyway for TMPFS.. |
| 23:57.08 | Ashex | nanok: As long as my computer isn't consumed in a firey blast, no worries :) |
| 23:57.17 | eeyore- | bricecube: might as well go with 2.6, adjust the timer tick (Hz) and maybe try some different scheduler? |
| 23:57.23 | bricecube | eeyore-, mountdevsubfs must be part of a package?? don't have it |
| 23:57.34 | eeyore- | bricecube: it's /etc/init.d/mountdevsubfs.sh |
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| 23:57.56 | bricecube | eeyore-, I have only: mountall.sh mountnfs.sh mountvirtfs |
| 23:57.56 | eeyore- | bricecube: it's part of "initscripts" |
| 23:58.03 | nanok | now, one has this Nebula Award Stories 01 [1966] and editing his resume to chose from... what to chose?.. |
| 23:58.05 | eeyore- | bricecube: then again, i run sid :-) |
| 23:58.06 | nanok | :) |
| 23:58.14 | Telonir | sid? |
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| 23:58.22 | bricecube | eeyore-, must be in sid.. |
| 23:58.39 | eeyore- | bricecube: possibly, you'll have to ask someone else to corroborate |
| 23:59.27 | ineffable | Telonir, the Debian "unstable" release is called sid. |
| 23:59.39 | bricecube | eeyore-, looking through mounvirtfs shows /dev/shm... & it's in the S runlvels |
