| 00:00.14 | bricecube | eeyore-, I'd like to play w/ 2.6 on this server.. problem is, it's never out of production .. and only a SSH link to it (unless I want to fly to Tampa..) |
| 00:00.15 | dooglus | how unstable is sid, practically speaking? is it mostly usable day to day? |
| 00:00.16 | Telonir | and when its released it will still be sid or is "sid"="unstable" ? |
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| 00:00.43 | eeyore- | bricecube: why not get a box you can play with? |
| 00:00.46 | Telonir | i guess it means i run sid too |
| 00:00.47 | azeem | Telonir: sid will always be unstable |
| 00:00.53 | eeyore- | bricecube: i'm sure you could easily justify that :-) |
| 00:00.54 | Ashex | nanok: Still got the massive amount of warnings |
| 00:01.00 | dooglus | Telonir: when I asks that earlier I was told: http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 00:01.05 | Telonir | had no problems so far |
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| 00:01.14 | eeyore- | dogplus: pretty much usable day to day, sure |
| 00:01.18 | _Brandon_ | which package provides makedepend? |
| 00:01.18 | ineffable | michael117, if you want to use your machine's gui from a remote location, a more reliable and secure way to do that is with VNC after making sure that only certain computers (the one you're loggin in from) can access the VNC ports. I can tell you how if you're interested. |
| 00:01.20 | bricecube | eeyore-, lol true.. |
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| 00:01.32 | eeyore- | dooglus: sorry about the nick |
| 00:01.36 | Coweater | can i make the cd installer not try and mount the cd and just look somewhere else for the files? |
| 00:01.43 | michael117 | ineffable: yes, please |
| 00:02.14 | bricecube | can anyone running sarge let me know what /etc/default/tmpfs reads for TMPFS_SIZE? |
| 00:02.30 | Telonir | hmmm moved on to toy story 2?! |
| 00:02.38 | ineffable | michael117, Okay. First, do you know how to use iptables? |
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| 00:02.51 | bricecube | or... can anyone suggest a good size for TMPFS? :) |
| 00:02.57 | michael117 | ineffable: no... :( |
| 00:03.07 | eeyore- | so what happens after toy story 2? finding nemo? polar express? :-) |
| 00:03.10 | eeyore- | bugs life? |
| 00:03.19 | mfrisch | Man I thought my monitor was going thank God its the outlet! |
| 00:03.27 | dooglus | eeyore-: ok, thanks. |
| 00:03.40 | ineffable | michael117, No big deal. I would man iptables when I get a chance, but first run "iptables -L" to list out what security rules are in place. Tell me if you have any |
| 00:03.55 | Telonir | never got along with linux firewals |
| 00:03.59 | Telonir | ll |
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| 00:04.03 | michael117 | ineffable: locally? or on the remote machin? |
| 00:04.09 | eeyore- | just found out Cox filters out outbound port-25 connection |
| 00:04.12 | eeyore- | that just sucks |
| 00:04.12 | kspath | eeyore-: That will take 10+ years at least. |
| 00:04.15 | ineffable | michael117, remote |
| 00:04.26 | mfrisch | eeyore-: thats standard |
| 00:04.36 | eeyore- | mfrisch: they didn't use to do this until recently |
| 00:04.56 | michael117 | Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT) |
| 00:04.56 | michael117 | target prot opt source destination |
| 00:04.56 | michael117 | Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT) |
| 00:04.56 | michael117 | target prot opt source destination |
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| 00:04.59 | kspath | eeyore-: The number of characters in Toy Story plus the speed of named releases it might take more than 10 years. |
| 00:05.02 | eeyore- | mfrisch: and with at&t if you call them up and say you need to use corporate mail server they'd remove the block. haven't tried that with cox. |
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| 00:05.26 | Azar | it would have sound even if it would took the names of the 7 dwarfs |
| 00:05.27 | Telonir | toy story 3 ? |
| 00:05.36 | eeyore- | Telonir: there won't be one |
| 00:05.41 | mfrisch | eeyore-: really thats strange I remember when RR didn't untill 2001. Haven't tried asking them. |
| 00:05.43 | Telonir | why not? |
| 00:06.01 | michael117 | effable: you here? |
| 00:06.10 | kspath | mfrisch: RR being Road Runner? |
| 00:06.18 | mfrisch | kspath: yes |
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| 00:06.37 | mfrisch | kspath: I donot recommend it |
| 00:06.42 | dvs | I do |
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| 00:06.52 | Telonir | road runner? |
| 00:07.01 | astronut | what toy story charachters are left? |
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| 00:07.05 | Azar | ..or characters from Beast Wars Transformers |
| 00:07.10 | Telonir | what does it have to do with anything? |
| 00:07.18 | Coweater | how the fuck do you make the debian installer not mount a fucking cd-rom and just grab the files from the same place? |
| 00:07.20 | sgeigerbot | buz? |
| 00:07.23 | kspath | mfrisch: I had to block most ISPs cable/dsl IP blocks even connecting to our port 25 years ago. RR was one of them. |
| 00:07.26 | sgeigerbot | Buzz? |
| 00:07.37 | astronut | sgeigerbot: been used |
| 00:07.40 | dvs | sgeigerbot: That's done |
| 00:07.42 | sgeigerbot | really...hmm. |
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| 00:07.49 | mfrisch | We have a service from the electric company I would perfer 4 up 4 down |
| 00:07.49 | astronut | one of the earliest ones |
| 00:07.54 | Telonir | rr is an isp? |
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| 00:08.03 | Azar | Coweater: the secret hides in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:08.03 | astronut | Telonir: yes, out of time warner cable |
| 00:08.13 | Coweater | thank you |
| 00:08.18 | sgeigerbot | Rex? |
| 00:08.22 | astronut | hmm |
| 00:08.23 | kspath | Telonir: Was that sarcasm? |
| 00:08.25 | astronut | possibly been done |
| 00:08.28 | mfrisch | kspath: RR was around then? |
| 00:08.31 | dvs | sgeigerbot: I think that was done |
| 00:08.33 | Telonir | nope |
| 00:08.39 | kspath | mfrisch: then? time? |
| 00:08.43 | Azar | Coweater: when you install from the CD at one moment it asks you to pick your sources: if you want only from CD, do not pick any sources yet |
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| 00:08.53 | unstable | If I have a 500mhz pentium three...what distro would get the most power from it? would gentoo be the best choice because it compiles everything? |
| 00:08.57 | unstable | !start a distro war |
| 00:08.57 | dpkg | Gentoo owns! |
| 00:08.58 | Coweater | Azar: i'm talking before sources, the base install |
| 00:09.00 | sgeigerbot | Debian History: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ (~history) ...and then google Toy Story. |
| 00:09.00 | kspath | mfrisch: port 25, years ago. Sorry my mistake. |
| 00:09.02 | dvs | sgeigerbot: If it hasn't that'll get my vote |
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| 00:09.13 | mfrisch | kspath: aah |
| 00:09.21 | Coweater | Azar: i cannot mount the cd-rom, but i can boot from it, the files are on a usb drive which i have mounted |
| 00:09.30 | Azar | Coweater: strange, however I only install from Woody CD.. so I have no idea about Sarge installer |
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| 00:09.49 | kspath | mfrisch: I am getting tired at this hour. Though there are some that say my act was tired decades ago. |
| 00:09.51 | eeyore- | kspath: weren't we just discussing proper uses of punctuations? |
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| 00:10.04 | astronut | buzz was the first, then rex, then bo, then hamm, slink, potato, woody, sarge, etch |
| 00:10.05 | Azar | Coweater: one is installation, other is mounting cd-rom for other purposes |
| 00:10.16 | astronut | alien maybe? |
| 00:10.30 | kspath | eeyore-: Yes, that is why I said I was not a fanatic. My only excuse is how tired I am now. |
| 00:10.30 | mfrisch | kspath: do what you love |
| 00:10.57 | kspath | mfrisch: Love what you do! |
| 00:10.57 | Azar | Coweater: AFTER your installation is done, you will have to check your fstab to see how your cd-rom is listed in order to order "mount" |
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| 00:11.18 | Coweater | i can't install until the installer quits trying to mount the cd to get the files and looks where i want it to |
| 00:11.42 | Telonir | why cant it mount the install cd? |
| 00:11.45 | Coweater | i have this lovely ide chipset which won't let the cd actually be mounted |
| 00:11.53 | kspath | At some point stimulants do not make up for or replace sleep/rest/downtime. |
| 00:11.56 | Azar | Coweater: you mean Debian does not see your CD at install time? |
| 00:12.07 | astronut | andy i guess? |
| 00:12.17 | Coweater | which is why i put the files on a usb drive which i can mount, but the installer insists on mounting a cd drive before it proceeds |
| 00:12.23 | michael117 | ineffable: are you there? |
| 00:12.24 | mfrisch | kspath: but what a ride |
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| 00:12.32 | kspath | At some point stimulants do not make up for or replace sleep, rest, or downtime. |
| 00:12.32 | dvs | CompWizrd: Do a USB install |
| 00:12.37 | Azar | Coweater: /me talking blindly, check your BIOS settings then (primary bootable device) |
| 00:12.37 | dvs | Coweater: : Do a USB install |
| 00:12.48 | Coweater | i can't do a usb install, the machine can't boot from usb |
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| 00:12.57 | Telonir | lol |
| 00:13.01 | Coweater | it can boot from the cd, but it can't mount the cd after it's booted |
| 00:13.01 | kspath | heheh |
| 00:13.04 | sgeigerbot | When I plug in my usb host-to-host adapter, I get these messages: "pebble:/home# hub.c: new USB device 00:13.0-1, assigned address 4" and "usb0: register usbnet usb-00:13.0-1, Prolific PL-2301/PL-2302" No device exists at /dev/ttyUSB0 or USB1... Where should I expect to find that device? |
| 00:13.09 | dvs | o_O |
| 00:13.15 | Telonir | your machine is screwed up |
| 00:13.18 | Coweater | i know |
| 00:13.27 | Azar | Coweater: thats a first to hear... |
| 00:13.32 | ineffable | Coweater, how are you trying to mount it? |
| 00:13.48 | Telonir | sgeigerbot, /dev/usb0 |
| 00:13.54 | kspath | dvs: You right eye is shrinking or your left eye is growing. I can not tell from this distance. |
| 00:13.57 | Telonir | mount it somewhere |
| 00:14.15 | sgeigerbot | Telonir: There is no such device file. |
| 00:14.21 | Coweater | ineffable: with a mount /dev/ide/.../lun0/cd /cdrom |
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| 00:14.41 | ineffable | Coweater, is all the necessary info in your fstab? |
| 00:15.33 | Azar | Coweater: the real cd-rom device is hdc and your fstab should have /media/cd-rom -> hdc |
| 00:15.54 | kspath | !tell abrotman about "umbrella hat" |
| 00:15.58 | astronut | hmmm... |
| 00:16.00 | Coweater | there isn't even a /media in the installer root directory |
| 00:16.02 | astronut | what about Debian claw? |
| 00:16.21 | Azar | Coweater: try "hdc" instead of "cd-rom" |
| 00:16.31 | Telonir | sgeigerbot, sg0 ? |
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| 00:16.58 | sgeigerbot | Telonir: no. And also not /dev/uba0 |
| 00:17.06 | Telonir | sda? |
| 00:17.11 | dsca | i have a problem setting up dhcpd on my router |
| 00:17.22 | Coweater | there is no hdc (this is on the linux26 kernel), i just have /dev/ide/.../lun0/cd, which fails to mount due to invalid argument |
| 00:17.29 | mfrisch | dsca: whats the problem |
| 00:17.49 | sgeigerbot | Telonir: no. It's not a hard drive, btw. It's a host-to-host adapter. |
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| 00:18.15 | dsca | i have two machines each with eth0, one running dhcpd and theres no communication between them, both can communicate with a dime store router and get a lease but between the two nothing |
| 00:18.22 | Azar | Coweater: what if you reboot, go into BIOS, make sure the CD-Rom is now the primary bootable device, save settings, stick the CD in and try installing again? |
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| 00:18.54 | dsca | i've used 3-bit and 8-bit netmask |
| 00:18.55 | crosswinds | hi |
| 00:19.04 | Coweater | the machine can't really boot off a cd-rom, i'm using smart boot manager on a floppy to boot the cd drive |
| 00:19.06 | mfrisch | dsca: you have to change /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf then restart before a lease will be givin |
| 00:19.15 | crosswinds | does anyone knows about cdd generation? |
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| 00:19.27 | dsca | i've tried a couple dhcpd.conf files =/ |
| 00:19.32 | Azar | ..Coweater then when done, do not forget to reboot again in BIOS and change the primary boot to HD or floppy whatever suits you |
| 00:19.40 | romulo | hmm i cant go to terminal 1-6, and when i press ctrl+alt+f1 on gnome-terminal it outputs "S" , what could be wrong? |
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| 00:19.45 | tzafrir_laptop | crosswinds, what do you want to know? |
| 00:19.50 | SkramX | how do i uninstall root 5549 0.0 0.0 6776 1672 ? Ss 01:18 0:00 sendmail: MTA: accepting |
| 00:19.53 | Azar | Coweater: then all sucks... I dunno |
| 00:19.55 | tzafrir_laptop | I know a little |
| 00:20.00 | dsca | sorry a little vague here, wen't on a forum and posted the exact files and no one could see a problem |
| 00:20.00 | SkramX | i did apt-get remove sendmail, that didnt work... any ideas? |
| 00:20.11 | crosswinds | tzafrir_laptop: about the mirror |
| 00:20.28 | crosswinds | tzafrir_laptop i generated my customized debs |
| 00:20.36 | mfrisch | dsca: mine works if you give me a couple of minutes I'll paste somewhere |
| 00:20.42 | Telonir | sgeigerbot, should be usb0.... |
| 00:20.53 | crosswinds | tzafrir_laptop: put them in $mirror/pool/main/my-distro |
| 00:20.58 | dsca | tcpdump shows 0.0.0.0 > 255.255.255.255 on the client, tcpdump or syslog or klogd shows nothing on router |
| 00:21.03 | Telonir | http://www.linux-usb.org/usbnet/ |
| 00:21.06 | tzafrir_laptop | crosswinds, are there many of them? if you want to just put all of them in, use LOCALDEBS |
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| 00:21.16 | dsca | ok ty mfrisch |
| 00:21.19 | makomk | \join #ubuntu |
| 00:21.20 | Telonir | nx? |
| 00:21.29 | crosswinds | how do i update the package list |
| 00:21.32 | tzafrir_laptop | Telonir, copying... |
| 00:21.39 | Telonir | to? |
| 00:21.42 | ineffable | crosswinds, "apt-get update" |
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| 00:22.17 | crosswinds | how do i update the mirror list so it will include my-distro files |
| 00:22.55 | mfrisch | dsca: hey join #paste |
| 00:22.55 | SkramX | i did apt-get remove sendmail, that didnt work... any ideas? |
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| 00:22.58 | Azar | crosswinds: the magic word in your sources is : "stable" or "testing" or "unstable" |
| 00:23.01 | SkramX | sendmail keeps spawning |
| 00:23.10 | SkramX | at startup, how do i edit what starts? |
| 00:23.47 | Telonir | tzafrir_laptop, KIBUTZ-GADOT-LAN ?! |
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| 00:24.04 | ineffable | crosswinds, best way is to do it manually. the file is with the list is located in /etc/apt/sources.list. If you're upgrading from one release to another, replace all the words "stable" in the file with "testing" or "unstable." But remember, you can never go from unstable to testing or testing to stable |
| 00:24.17 | tzafrir_laptop | Telonir, right. Is that what it says on whois? |
| 00:24.28 | runedude | hey guys |
| 00:24.31 | Telonir | yep |
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| 00:24.41 | runedude | on bootup im having ALOT of problems with journal.. and my filesystems wont mount.. whats up? |
| 00:24.48 | crosswinds | ineffable: thanks for your help, but you r not uderstanding my question |
| 00:24.49 | Telonir | why is it alocated for 1 village? |
| 00:25.11 | Telonir | your own net? |
| 00:25.14 | Telonir | why? |
| 00:25.20 | tzafrir_laptop | 128 addresses. Allocated in 1998 or 1999 |
| 00:25.21 | kspath | Telonir: because. |
| 00:25.35 | crosswinds | tzafrir_laptop: if i dont want to use LOCALDEB, how do i update de mirror packages list, so it will include my-distro files? |
| 00:25.47 | runedude | it is printing errors such as EXT3 -fs error (device ide0(3,1) in ext3_satattr: journal has aborted |
| 00:25.47 | Azar | crosswinds: your distro = stable or testing or unstable |
| 00:25.47 | tzafrir_laptop | Actually now most are not used, as most addresses are behind NAT :-( |
| 00:25.48 | runedude | crap |
| 00:25.51 | Telonir | why havent they been moved to the general "bezeqint" space? |
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| 00:26.13 | Telonir | i have no idea what nat is :/ |
| 00:26.14 | tzafrir_laptop | crosswinds, LOCALDEBS is just a directory of debs |
| 00:26.26 | tzafrir_laptop | and all of them will be added |
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| 00:27.00 | Azar | and if your distro is.... ubuntu, fu fu fu |
| 00:27.07 | Telonir | 212.179.75.200 - 212.179.75.203 |
| 00:27.18 | Telonir | 4 ips |
| 00:27.22 | crosswinds | tzafrir_laptop: yes, i know that, but i want to use the mirror besides LOCALDEB, do you know to update de packages.gz, release, etc? |
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| 00:27.53 | kspath | Telonir: NAT == Network Address Translation. 1 IP that is public and internet routable on facing the internet and some number of non-internet routable IPs behind it. |
| 00:28.07 | kspath | Telonir: /30 |
| 00:28.19 | Azar | crosswinds: if you update/upgrade out of the sandbox, you are on your own goorming outcast packages |
| 00:28.28 | kspath | Telonir: .200 is network .203 is broadcast |
| 00:28.34 | tzafrir_laptop | crosswinds, I can't think of a simple thing that works for that. I actually have a nice script that is used to configure reprepro to generate such a local source instead of the global mirrir |
| 00:28.36 | kspath | Telonir: generally |
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| 00:28.41 | tzafrir_laptop | mirror , that is |
| 00:28.49 | goodboy | hello |
| 00:28.58 | Telonir | kspath, in order to understand what you said i need to seriously study about network structure. which i didnt... |
| 00:29.23 | tzafrir_laptop | Telonir, hmm, right. I forgot that this is a different pool |
| 00:29.23 | Azar | tzafrir_laptop: that means downolad/unzip/install/place in directory? what about dependency works? |
| 00:29.26 | kspath | Telonir: If you are using the internet it is a good idea to learn those basics eventually. |
| 00:29.26 | crosswinds | tzafrir_laptop: a loca mirror that i downloaded with debpartial-mirror |
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| 00:29.35 | goodboy | i want to know how can i go to unbuntu serveur |
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| 00:29.43 | Telonir | not at 2:30 am :/ |
| 00:29.45 | tzafrir_laptop | Azar, I use apt to resolve dependencies |
| 00:30.19 | Azar | tzafrir_laptop: will apt do a job for a package not pertaining to the distro, not in the archives? |
| 00:30.34 | jarango | Is there a graphical video editor for linux that allows cut and paste ? |
| 00:30.37 | kspath | Telonir: 255.255.255.0 is .0 -> .255 and 255.255.255.252 is a /30 |
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| 00:31.13 | kspath | Telonir: the 2nd one is the 4 IPs but it gets icky explaining deeper |
| 00:31.16 | runedude | hello.. can anyone please help me? |
| 00:31.23 | tzafrir_laptop | I generate a local config for apt |
| 00:31.27 | runedude | im really screwed here.. my filesystem wont mount as write |
| 00:31.32 | kspath | !tell runedude about ask |
| 00:31.32 | runedude | only read only |
| 00:31.43 | runedude | I _have_ been asking, kspath |
| 00:31.49 | runedude | I havent got a response at all.. |
| 00:31.54 | Azar | yeah he has asked but we never seen him |
| 00:32.10 | tzafrir_laptop | I hope to post it to debian-custom mailing-list soon, when I see it working |
| 00:32.30 | kspath | runedude: I told you because asking if you can get help does not show the question again. It might have scrolled up and away. |
| 00:32.32 | runedude | Avoiding an argument.. I'm getting alot of "journal" errors.. anyone know how to repair it? |
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| 00:32.56 | Telonir | kspath, ff.ff.ff.fc ? |
| 00:32.57 | runedude | kspath: i was asking because i was wondering if anyone saw my question |
| 00:33.01 | crosswinds | tzafrir_laptop: i also have a script like that |
| 00:33.12 | Telonir | fc=1111 1100 |
| 00:33.12 | Azar | runedude: I saw it but I am not sure how to fix that |
| 00:33.31 | Telonir | which gives a 4 ips subnet? |
| 00:33.33 | crosswinds | tzafrir_laptop: but i currently have problems wen running |
| 00:33.42 | dvs | Telonir: You have to take 6 |
| 00:33.51 | runedude | okay |
| 00:33.54 | Telonir | ? |
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| 00:33.57 | kspath | runedude: did you check your mtab fstab and your logs for errors? fsck? |
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| 00:34.04 | dvs | Telonir: You can't take exactly 4. |
| 00:34.04 | Azar | runedude: I would google for "troubleshooting Debian Sarge filesystem at bootup" |
| 00:34.06 | Telonir | 1 for broadcast |
| 00:34.09 | tzafrir_laptop | Telonir, one of them is the external leg of a NAT router |
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| 00:34.19 | runedude | kspath; i ran fsck.... rebooted like it said, getting journal has ended / aborted errors |
| 00:34.19 | tzafrir_laptop | masquerading router |
| 00:34.26 | romulo | can somebody inform me in wich package is gnome-keyboard-properties? |
| 00:34.29 | runedude | kspath: also my mtab and fstab are fine |
| 00:34.54 | tzafrir_laptop | moooo's terminal is also lost |
| 00:34.57 | kspath | dvs: 6 "usable" IPs but 8 are allocated. |
| 00:35.03 | Telonir | how can you take 6? 1111 1000 gives 8 |
| 00:35.04 | runedude | kspath: my situation is that i had a working debian system for a LONG time.. all the sudden the system switched into read only |
| 00:35.05 | dvs | kspath: exactly |
| 00:35.26 | runedude | and i tried to fix it |
| 00:35.26 | loggygreg | romulo:dpkg -S gnome-keyboard-properties |
| 00:35.26 | romulo | oki |
| 00:35.26 | romulo | thanks |
| 00:35.26 | dvs | Telonir: One is for the network and another is for broadcasting |
| 00:35.26 | kspath | dvs: 255.255.255.248 |
| 00:35.26 | Telonir | 1111 1100 give 2 usable ips? |
| 00:35.39 | dvs | Telonir: yup |
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| 00:35.57 | ozrg | is it possible to install debian without a cd? |
| 00:36.14 | CompWizrd | ozrg: yes, you can do a boot floppy install |
| 00:36.18 | kspath | Telonir: There are a few kinds of notation decimal binary hex |
| 00:36.18 | tzafrir_laptop | ozrg, using network boot? |
| 00:36.18 | Telonir | netmask & IP = 0 is the ip of the network node? |
| 00:36.20 | Azar | runedude: what you were running? Woody? |
| 00:36.26 | dvs | ozrg: floppies, Usb, and more |
| 00:36.26 | runedude | Azar: testing |
| 00:36.32 | runedude | i dont know what its called at all |
| 00:36.35 | Telonir | wait not 0 |
| 00:36.41 | runedude | oh, etch |
| 00:36.43 | runedude | sorry |
| 00:36.44 | Azar | runedude: ah... I see.. I am not familiar with that one |
| 00:37.04 | Telonir | netmask XOR IP = 0 |
| 00:37.06 | ozrg | CompWizrd: haven't got usb. could someone please give me some instruction on how to install it on my hard disk |
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| 00:37.21 | goodboy | f |
| 00:37.28 | Telonir | what is the first ip is used for? (last = broadcast) |
| 00:37.42 | dvs | Telonir: The address of the actual network. |
| 00:37.50 | dvs | Telonir: for reading |
| 00:37.54 | Telonir | ?! |
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| 00:37.58 | ozrg | CompWizrd: haven't got floppy. could someone please give me some instruction on how to install it on my hard disk |
| 00:38.15 | Telonir | "network" is not a physical entity |
| 00:38.19 | dvs | ozrg: Can you boot from USB? |
| 00:38.31 | Telonir | what responds to ping "first ip" ? |
| 00:38.45 | ozrg | dvs: boot from usb? |
| 00:38.51 | dvs | ozrg: USB drive. |
| 00:39.00 | dvs | Telonir: You cannot write to the first IP |
| 00:39.24 | kspath | Telonir: There is a lot to know. There are a lot of docs about TCP/IP and notwerkz |
| 00:39.25 | Telonir | so there is no network component with that adress |
| 00:39.40 | dvs | Telonir: no physical device, no. |
| 00:39.59 | kspath | umm |
| 00:40.00 | ozrg | dvs: i have got a usb drive but no device in order to put data into |
| 00:40.04 | Telonir | anything responds to this address? |
| 00:40.06 | runedude | well.. i guess im out of luck.. heh |
| 00:40.25 | kspath | Telonir: try it, experiment, learn |
| 00:40.27 | dvs | ozrg: You can't write to the USB drive? |
| 00:40.47 | ozrg | dvs: i am not sure. |
| 00:41.05 | hatake_kakashi | In Sarge 3.1 rev0a installation, could the GRUB be specified of the location of where to install or there is no choice? If you can specify where to install GRUB, does it require going to expert mode? |
| 00:41.08 | ozrg | dvs: how do i check? |
| 00:41.20 | kspath | Telonir: no ping response does not equal nothing using that IP. |
| 00:41.34 | Telonir | ping to 89.138.0.0 16ms response |
| 00:41.54 | kspath | Telonir: and? |
| 00:41.59 | Telonir | inetnum: 89.138.0.0 - 89.139.255.255 |
| 00:42.11 | kspath | That is a /16 |
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| 00:42.18 | Telonir | thats the first ip. something out there responds to it |
| 00:42.20 | ozrg | CompWizrd: haven't got floppy. could someone please give me some instruction on how to install it on my hard disk |
| 00:42.22 | kspath | Moderately large block of IPs. |
| 00:42.49 | kspath | Telonir: Yes, something did. Likely a VERY large router. |
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| 00:43.31 | ozrg | could someone tell me how to install debian without a cd |
| 00:43.46 | kspath | Telonir: Do you want to learn networking theory from an IRC channel? |
| 00:43.57 | hatake_kakashi | ozrg: can the computer be boot from the network? |
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| 00:44.23 | Telonir | once i started reading an oreally book |
| 00:44.37 | kspath | Telonir: Those books are mostly good/ok. |
| 00:44.38 | Telonir | "defenitive guide to ethernet" iirc |
| 00:44.58 | kspath | Telonir: Ethernet is not internet nor is it TCP/IP. |
| 00:45.17 | Telonir | it was about tcp ip as well |
| 00:45.32 | Telonir | and about the physical restraints |
| 00:45.45 | Telonir | and networct structures (ring, start etc..) |
| 00:45.49 | kspath | Telonir: Ethernet these days is almost entirely used for TCP/IP n0twerkz. |
| 00:45.55 | hatake_kakashi | anyone happen to know about the GRUB installation options in Sarge 3.1 rev0a? |
| 00:46.13 | kspath | Telonir: star is not start... |
| 00:46.17 | ozrg | <hatake_kakashi>: yes. |
| 00:46.22 | dvs | hatake_kakashi: Why use that when 3.1r1a is available? |
| 00:46.41 | Stevie-O | Because he's way too cool to use r1a |
| 00:46.46 | Telonir | mis-typed it |
| 00:47.02 | kspath | Telonir: more than one kind of ring ... ethernet is only one way |
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| 00:47.31 | hatake_kakashi | dvs: I don't think I have a copy of r1a, and my internet has been shaped back to dialup again. It will take me awhile to download those images |
| 00:47.33 | kspath | Telonir: You may encounter people that know stuff but there is no way to know if they know unless you already know. Do you know? |
| 00:47.41 | Telonir | how can i see my gateway's ip? |
| 00:47.50 | kspath | Telonir: looking? |
| 00:48.02 | mfrisch | kspath: they had a ring network at a gig I had and it was murderously slow |
| 00:48.03 | Telonir | people who say/think the know stuff actually |
| 00:48.09 | Telonir | people who say/think they know stuff actually |
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| 00:48.36 | hatake_kakashi | ozrg: if you can do network boot, set it to that, on another box, set it up as PXE boot server and then put the images up on there. This could probably help.. using via bootstrap |
| 00:48.48 | kspath | Telonir: gateway is mostly something you need to know or be told or guess or test for. often it is .1 in your subnet. |
| 00:49.08 | Telonir | whats P-t-P in ifconfig's info? |
| 00:49.08 | kspath | Telonir: unless it is internet routable |
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| 00:49.45 | kspath | Telonir: You will want to spend time reading the man pages for ifconfig. |
| 00:49.56 | hatake_kakashi | dvs: so do you happen to have a clue about the GRUB installation options for it? |
| 00:49.56 | Telonir | hmm all pings seem to pass through x.x.42.62 |
| 00:50.06 | dvs | hatake_kakashi: nope |
| 00:50.27 | kspath | Telonir: pass through? are you implying they all originated from that IP as the source? |
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| 00:50.48 | kspath | Telonir: You might than be implying that maybe it is the gateway? |
| 00:51.01 | Telonir | ping -R x.x.0.1 says it passed through x.x.42.62 |
| 00:51.05 | dvs | mfrisch: long time no see |
| 00:51.11 | dvs | ;-) |
| 00:51.21 | hatake_kakashi | dvs: :| oh well thanks anyway. I'm going to try and have a look somewhere else.. The last thing I want is a non-selectable GRUB installation location. That would mean I have to physically unplug all the necessary hard disks before installation and plug them back in after installation |
| 00:51.53 | kspath | Telonir I am clueless. I am sure there is someone here that knows more than enough to assist you. |
| 00:52.02 | dvs | hatake_kakashi: You might want to try the "expert" or "expert26" install option |
| 00:52.15 | Telonir | though the p-t-p which is probably the gateway says x.x.0.1 . i thought you must be directly and physically connected to your gateway... |
| 00:52.27 | nanok | hatake_kakashi: afair, it wil ask you if it's okay with you, before it does it, and allow you to change the options |
| 00:52.56 | hatake_kakashi | dvs: that's what I was thinking, does expert installation offer that.. if so then it probably is worth going that route even though I have never gone through expert part |
| 00:53.18 | hatake_kakashi | nanok: you mean the GRUB installation location can be specified on which hard disks? |
| 00:53.47 | nanok | hatake_kakashi: also, if the worse should happen, afaik, both frub and lilo backup the mbr before writing the new one |
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| 00:55.01 | nanok | hatake_kakashi: yes, i seem to remember it can. i am almost certain it wont do it before notifying you. and in expert mode, i would say it would be impossible not to ask you that |
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| 00:55.38 | nanok | damn, my coherence is going down the drain. i think i must need sleep |
| 00:55.42 | nanok | darn, again |
| 00:55.43 | hatake_kakashi | nanok and dvs: ok thanks for the input. I'm confident to give it a try now :) |
| 00:55.50 | nanok | i just had some a day or two ago |
| 00:55.52 | nanok | :P |
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| 00:56.24 | netskink | hello |
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| 00:58.05 | netskink | i have heard there is a package for debian which allows you to manage essid's for iwconfig, so that you can automatically login to wireless networks. ie. i connect to a wireless network at work, home and school. As it is now, I have to edit /etc/network/interfaces each time I move locations. |
| 00:58.13 | tzafrir_laptop | bah, those nx packages are a model of bad packaging. I got spoiled by the quality of Debian |
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| 00:58.29 | sgeigerbot | Telonir: Wrong. This device doesn't have a /dev/ device. It is only used as an ethernet device. |
| 00:59.04 | Telonir | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:59.49 | sgeigerbot | Telonir: Since when does an ethernet device have a device file under /dev/? |
| 01:00.03 | sgeigerbot | No...it's not bad packaging. It's just the way things are done. |
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| 01:00.19 | sgeigerbot | I was merely hoping I could use this like a serial cable. |
| 01:00.30 | Telonir | the packaging thingie wasnt to you |
| 01:00.35 | sgeigerbot | ...but apparenlty it only works as a data link cable. |
| 01:00.47 | sgeigerbot | Telonir: Be sure to use tab-completion of nicks...otherwise I may not see what you type to me. (My regexes won't find everything! ...and if they did, I might as well use cat! Do you grep me?) |
| 01:01.02 | Telonir | np |
| 01:01.04 | Telonir | no |
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| 01:01.44 | kspath | Telonir: Do you see how I included your nick in what I was saying at the beginning. That is a good/recommended way to make sure the person(s) you intend to communicate with know it is directed to or toward them. |
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| 01:02.14 | Telonir | my way is more fun |
| 01:02.38 | kspath | Telonir: Fun because it will cause or allow for confusion? |
| 01:02.50 | Telonir | yay |
| 01:02.58 | Telonir | chaos rulz |
| 01:03.19 | kspath | Telonir: Do you know what real chaos is? |
| 01:03.30 | Telonir | muahahahahah |
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| 01:05.42 | nanok | Telonir: when you stop being bored with what you do and start doing really interesting(TM) stuff, you will quickly find that self induced chaos is _not_ needed. aka: the world is a complicated place as it is |
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| 01:06.01 | nanok | ;) |
| 01:06.22 | Telonir | aha! so thats why its so boring... |
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| 01:07.15 | nanok | i fucking hate resumes. cant we all just get along? :P |
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| 01:08.59 | kspath | nanok: Where is your TPS report cover sheet? |
| 01:09.12 | Telonir | and we lived happily ever after :) |
| 01:09.20 | ekkikrist | Dog ate it |
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| 01:09.46 | tzafrir_laptop | Telonir, have you set freenx up? does it mean that any ssh user can login as any other ssh user using the authorised_keys file? |
| 01:10.05 | Telonir | no idea |
| 01:10.16 | tzafrir_laptop | I must have missed something there |
| 01:10.34 | tzafrir_laptop | I didn't see warnings of such a huge hole |
| 01:10.35 | Telonir | if you have the client try to login to my comp |
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| 01:11.03 | Telonir | tommorrow the server will be gone |
| 01:11.32 | kspath | Telonir: If you know it will be gone that is not very Chaotic. |
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| 01:11.44 | ekkikrist | hehe |
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| 01:11.59 | Telonir | unless it will vanish on its own account |
| 01:12.16 | Telonir | and you know... time might stop too |
| 01:12.18 | netskink | i have heard there is a package for debian which allows you to manage essid's for iwconfig, so that you can automatically login to wireless networks. ie. i connect to a wireless network at work, home and school. As it is now, I have to edit /etc/network/interfaces each time I move locations. |
| 01:12.24 | kspath | Telonir: If it took your lunch money with it yes. |
| 01:12.57 | Telonir | http://www.restrainingbolt.com/cheap-as-hell/TPSreport.doc |
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| 01:13.24 | dogmeat | !see bob2 |
| 01:13.24 | macka | hey, I'm having a compile problem... where do I look to fix this? http://pastebin.com/593646 |
| 01:13.25 | kspath | Telonir: That does not have a cover sheet does it? Did you get the memo? |
| 01:13.29 | dogmeat | !seen bob2 |
| 01:13.30 | dpkg | bob2 <i=rob@crumbs.ertius.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 85d 18h 8m 12s ago, saying: 'Mortal1: np, good luck'. |
| 01:13.45 | Telonir | it IS the cover sheet |
| 01:14.05 | kspath | Telonir: I am sorry that requires a cover sheet. |
| 01:14.19 | Telonir | here you go : http://www.restrainingbolt.com/cheap-as-hell/TPSreport.doc |
| 01:14.26 | gravity | :-( |
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| 01:14.50 | kspath | Was there a bob0 or a bob1? |
| 01:14.57 | gravity | bob2 ate them |
| 01:15.09 | kspath | Hence bob 2 |
| 01:15.12 | Telonir | 85 days ago? is he dead? |
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| 01:15.42 | kspath | Telonir: Are you implying that joining #debian denotes life? |
| 01:15.44 | genteww | DCC SEDN gay |
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| 01:16.36 | nanok | kspath: "i am on #debian, thus i live" |
| 01:16.37 | nanok | :P |
| 01:16.53 | mrec | hmm any idea when xgl will join debian sid? |
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| 01:17.29 | netskink | is there a package for managing wireless essids? I want to be able to automatically connect to particular networks instead of having to edit /etc/network/interfaces everytime I change locations. |
| 01:17.54 | shogunx | netskink why no just use iwconfig from a shell? |
| 01:17.56 | azeem | netskink: network-manager is supposed to do that |
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| 01:18.11 | sebyte | Hi all, what's happened to linux-source-2.6.12 ? Anyone know why it's disappeared? I need to recompile and I deleted the source to save space! |
| 01:18.43 | mrec | nefertum: waproamd? |
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| 01:18.49 | mrec | netskink: waproamd |
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| 01:19.16 | netskink | yah, i don't know. |
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| 01:19.31 | mrec | apt-cache show waproamd looks promising |
| 01:19.35 | silensius_ | i'm just a debian sarge user : i'm looking for a file whith any case on all hda1 and recursively how can i find it ? plss |
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| 01:20.00 | mrec | silensius_: find / -name "foobar" |
| 01:20.24 | silensius_ | ah |
| 01:20.31 | nanok | netskink: try apt-cache show waproamd |
| 01:20.42 | nanok | ah.. |
| 01:20.44 | nanok | :) |
| 01:20.46 | netskink | that looks promising. |
| 01:20.46 | silensius_ | must i do updatedb before ? |
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| 01:20.53 | netskink | thanks |
| 01:20.53 | cire | I have a i915 graphic controller, and would like to enable direct rendering. On bootup, i load i915 module, and agpgart and so on is also loaded. But in xorg.conf i810 as driver produces weird output, and intel as driver doesn't work at all (xserver log tells me about unresolved symbols...). Does anybody have experience with that hardware? |
| 01:20.55 | mrec | silensius_: not for find |
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| 01:21.03 | mrec | silensius_: updatedb if you want to use locate |
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| 01:21.06 | silensius_ | ok thanks friend |
| 01:21.07 | sebyte | Anyone know what's happened to all of the linux source packages! Only linux-source-2.6.15 remains (in testing)! |
| 01:21.19 | curt | !tell netskink -about wireless |
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| 01:21.30 | curt | netfiend, there are some good sources there also |
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| 01:21.49 | sebyte | !tell sebyte about kernel |
| 01:22.12 | sebyte | !tell sebyte -about kernel |
| 01:22.23 | sebyte | hmm |
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| 01:22.33 | curt | or /msg dpkf <stuff> |
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| 01:22.39 | curt | or /msg dpkg <stuff> |
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| 01:23.07 | sebyte | Doesn't anyone have anything to say about linux source packages and where/why they've disappeared? |
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| 01:23.22 | dondelelcaro | sebyte: which source packages? |
| 01:23.39 | poser | does anyone kow a program or script I can use to split a dvd image, from dual layer to 2 single layer dvds? |
| 01:23.41 | curt | sebyte, the only ones in testing are 2.6.15 |
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| 01:24.00 | sebyte | dondelelcaro: Well, I need to recompile 2.6.12 and the source is no longer available |
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| 01:24.06 | silensius_ | find / -name "*fooba*r" it works beter thanks |
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| 01:24.21 | dondelelcaro | sebyte: oh, you may find that on snapshot.debian.net |
| 01:24.22 | sebyte | curt: exactly! 2.6.12 was there three months ago! |
| 01:24.26 | silensius_ | find / -name "*foobar*" it works beter thanks |
| 01:24.39 | nanok | poser: well, you can mount it and split it yourself,... |
| 01:24.45 | nanok | poser: mount -o loop |
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| 01:24.50 | dondelelcaro | silensius_: you're probably going to want to spend a bit of time with info find; too... it'll be very useful in the long run |
| 01:24.57 | curt | sebyte, search pdo.debian.net for it maybe |
| 01:25.21 | curt | hehe |
| 01:25.37 | sebyte | dondelelcaro: curt: when did this happen. all the packages used to be availble in testing didn't they |
| 01:25.47 | poser | nanok: I meant so it would be compatitble if I put in dvd player |
| 01:25.59 | dondelelcaro | sebyte: if a package is no longer distributed in testing, the source package isnt' going to be there either. |
| 01:26.08 | dondelelcaro | sebyte: in this case, the 2.6.12 kernels are no longer in testing, iirc. |
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| 01:26.29 | sebyte | dondelelcaro: or stable! |
| 01:26.33 | michael117 | I'm trying to do vnc between a remote computer and my local machine and have started a server on the remote machine by typing in "vncserver :64 -geometry 800x600 -depth 16 -name testbox" but I tried connecting with my local machine and try to enter the password and it doesn't accept it |
| 01:26.36 | dondelelcaro | sebyte: they were never in stable. |
| 01:26.43 | dondelelcaro | sebyte: stable released with 2.6.8 |
| 01:26.47 | sebyte | dondelelcaro: so where are they!!! |
| 01:26.48 | dvs | sebyte: and never will be |
| 01:27.10 | dondelelcaro | sebyte: again, they were removed, because 2.6.12 is no longer being distributed in testing. You may be able to find them on snapshot.debian.net |
| 01:27.17 | dondelelcaro | sebyte: secondly, please don't use excess punctuation here. |
| 01:27.26 | sebyte | it seems odd that 2.6.12 was available in testing for a period and has now vanished. What's the policy here? |
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| 01:27.59 | dondelelcaro | sebyte: when it's superceeded by a different/newer package, it gets removed from the archive. |
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| 01:28.14 | dondelelcaro | sebyte: testing has been operating that way for ever |
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| 01:29.44 | sebyte | dondelelcaro: sorry about the excess punctuation. I had no idea it was so expressive. Hmmm, that's so strange. I'm sure I remember a time when the packages were called kernel-source-x.x.x and you had loads of different flavours available at any one time |
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| 01:30.10 | dondelelcaro | sebyte: there may be different ones avaiable at the same time, but they tend to get removed too. |
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| 01:30.34 | Stevie-O | is there a tool that can strip out vt100/ansi escape sequences from a file? |
| 01:30.51 | curt | sebyte, besides they are at snapshot.debian.net like don says |
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| 01:31.26 | sebyte | dondelelcaro: OK well, I need to get hold of a 2.6.12 source. 2.6.15 is playing up and would like to recompile my 2.6.12 with a couple of extra modules. SHould I add snapshot or pdo or whatever to my sources.list? |
| 01:31.35 | dondelelcaro | Stevie-O: you can probably do that with a regex like perl -ne 's/[^[:print:]]//g' or similar. |
| 01:31.44 | sebyte | dondelelcaro: oops just read curt's response |
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| 01:32.00 | sorush20 | what files do I need to install to be able to boot my usb camera it used to work I dont' know what has gone worng. kde is not auto detecting it |
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| 01:32.15 | Stevie-O | dondelelcaro: that would filter out the ESCs yet leave the remainder of each code intact |
| 01:32.30 | sebyte | curt: is snapshot a repository, i.e., apt-getable? |
| 01:32.37 | dondelelcaro | Stevie-O: yerp |
| 01:32.46 | Stevie-O | which isn't what I want to do :) |
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| 01:34.25 | michael117 | I need some help with vnc |
| 01:34.41 | ineffable | michael117, I'm here again. What do you need? |
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| 01:35.33 | michael117 | ineffable: I've tried creating some vnc servers but accidentally created a lot that I don't want, how can I clear all of them as well as the password I set at the beginning? |
| 01:36.33 | baffled | I have what I am sure is a simple question and probably a faq but it doesn't appear to be answered in the debian faq or in the apt-get man page so figured I'd try here. I use sid and have for a couple of years, in the past six months or so when I do an apt-get install or dist-upgrade I get an unable to authenticate message and have to reply 'y' before the upgrade or install will take place. Is there a way to bypass |
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| 01:36.44 | freeone3000 | Hello, where does java install, via the javapackage method, given by dpkg? |
| 01:36.44 | ineffable | michael117, what vnc server program did you use? |
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| 01:37.12 | michael117 | ineffable: just plain vncserver and vncviewer |
| 01:37.24 | michael117 | ineffable: is there a specific one you prefer? |
| 01:37.36 | ineffable | michael117, I use tightvnc, which you can get off of apt |
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| 01:38.11 | ineffable | michael117, anyway, you can just kill the processes. just run "ps -e|grep vnc" to find them, and kill them by their process ID's |
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| 01:39.03 | mne | hi guys, I've udev: is there a "proper" way to link /dev/vbi0 to /dev/vbi ? |
| 01:39.18 | dvs | mne: SYMLINK? |
| 01:39.19 | apikoros | anyone know a good, fast, apt-gettable image viewer that has a folder thumbnails view and is not gnome/kde bloatware (i'm using fluxbox)? |
| 01:39.23 | curt | !msg baffled -about 2006 key |
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| 01:40.05 | jetscreamer | curt: it's !tell |
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| 01:40.14 | curt | jetscreamer, brain freeze |
| 01:40.29 | jetscreamer | curt: it's fart not freeze :) |
| 01:40.30 | jeffpc_ | dpkg doesn't seem to be too helpful about xorg on sid...it seems broken :) x11-common to be exact :) |
| 01:40.32 | mne | dvs, yeah, that's the problem. each time I boot i have to symlink /dev/vbi to /dev/vbi. I would like to make it permanent. I guess I have to modify the udev database for that. |
| 01:40.43 | ineffable | michael117, The thing you need to know about vnc is that it - like any remote-x app - isn't very secure on its own. That's why you should set up iptables so you can only access it from your IP |
| 01:40.47 | [ill]will | is there a tutorial to setup tightvnc , i apt-get install tightnvcserver |
| 01:41.03 | dvs | mne: Yup. In /etc/udev/ |
| 01:41.10 | curt | baffled, /msg dpkg 2006 key |
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| 01:41.35 | jetscreamer | jeffpc_: seems to function here |
| 01:41.40 | ineffable | [ill]will, THe man pages have a lot of information, but it still takes a little know-how |
| 01:41.55 | jeffpc_ | jetscreamer: well, I can't apt-get dist-upgrade :-/ |
| 01:42.16 | Azar | huh I have vnc.conf |
| 01:42.16 | jetscreamer | jeffpc_: why not |
| 01:42.31 | mne | dvs, aaah, there it is. and how do I make a link there ? I am not too experienced with udev |
| 01:42.46 | jan86 | hey I just installed debian... |
| 01:42.47 | jeffpc_ | jetscreamer: complains about a file being also part of xfree86-common |
| 01:42.49 | jetscreamer | /usr/share/doc/udev/ |
| 01:42.53 | dvs | mne: Add a part like SYMLINK=/dev/vbi |
| 01:43.01 | jan86 | how come the popular package aren't there ? |
| 01:43.02 | Azar | good foryou jan86 |
| 01:43.05 | michael117 | ineffable: So you use iptables to manage access from certain IP's and so on? |
| 01:43.12 | jan86 | like firefox, etc |
| 01:43.14 | Azar | jan86: what popular package? |
| 01:43.27 | jan86 | tcl and others |
| 01:43.31 | mne | dvs, ok, I'll try that. thank you |
| 01:43.40 | dvs | mne: You're welcome |
| 01:43.40 | Azar | uh jan86 use apt-get install <package> |
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| 01:43.51 | jetscreamer | jeffpc_: the frowned upon way, which i do all the time, is --force-all ... man dpkg --force-help if you want, then dpkg -whatever /var/cache/apt/archives/blah.deb |
| 01:43.54 | ineffable | michael117, Yes. For instance, the way I am using it, you can only access the ports that VNC operates on from my home IP address right now |
| 01:43.59 | jan86 | how do I get a package list ? |
| 01:44.00 | dooglus | jan86: is tcl popular? I don't know anyone who likes it. |
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| 01:44.16 | Azar | jan86: depends on the version distro of your Debian |
| 01:44.24 | dooglus | jan86: you can search for a package: apt-cache search tcl |
| 01:44.26 | jetscreamer | jan86: use a front end... there are a few |
| 01:44.34 | ineffable | michael117, there are other ways of configuring it, but it can get sticky if you aren't familiar with iptables and chains, etc. I'm only just learning about them myself. But I can show you how to configure it like I did |
| 01:44.35 | curt | jan86, try aptitude |
| 01:44.49 | jeffpc_ | jetscreamer: so, that's a dpkg option, how do I get all the packages first? |
| 01:44.53 | jetscreamer | synaptic seems to be the best gui one |
| 01:45.04 | jetscreamer | jeffpc_: i told you where they get d/l'd to |
| 01:45.14 | Azar | jan86: "popular" packages do not come by default with installation because not everybody wants them |
| 01:45.16 | jetscreamer | jeffpc_: just do the one that's throwing the error |
| 01:45.21 | michael117 | ineffable: I'm just trying to get this remote box up and running right now |
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| 01:45.31 | seb- | how check a tarball against a pgp/gpg signature file? |
| 01:45.34 | jetscreamer | jeffpc_: then do whatever it was you did before and it should work |
| 01:45.35 | jeffpc_ | jetscreamer: oh, duh |
| 01:45.56 | jetscreamer | jeffpc_: remember that --force-all isn't the approved debian method |
| 01:46.07 | jetscreamer | in general |
| 01:46.13 | jetscreamer | s/debian/#debian/ |
| 01:46.34 | jetscreamer | but hey it works and is quick |
| 01:46.52 | jetscreamer | and could bork you up bad if you did somelthing wrong |
| 01:46.59 | michael117 | ineffable: I'm not necessarily concerned about its security at the moment because I'm inside a home network and it's not that valuable |
| 01:47.03 | ineffable | michael117, okay, then we can skip iptables for now. do you have tightvnc installed? |
| 01:47.22 | ineffable | michael117, Okay. If you aren't on a large network then you probably won't even be on a hacker's radar anyway |
| 01:47.31 | michael117 | ineffable: on the remote computer and I'm installing the viewer on my local machine righ tnow |
| 01:47.47 | jeffpc_ | jetscreamer: are you trying to tell me that if I use it, I'm not going to get any help here? ;) |
| 01:47.57 | jetscreamer | md5 |
| 01:47.57 | jan86 | how couldn've known about the command you guys told me if you weren't there |
| 01:48.08 | jan86 | the otne to install a package |
| 01:48.08 | dooglus | netstat tells me that I have a 'portmap' listening on a port. do I need it? if not, how can I stop it running? |
| 01:48.21 | jetscreamer | jeffpc_: no, jsut that it's not generally suggested |
| 01:48.37 | jetscreamer | jeffpc_: and the -all part most of 'all' |
| 01:48.56 | jetscreamer | man dpkg --force-help ... there are a few options |
| 01:48.56 | jeffpc_ | jetscreamer: yeah :) |
| 01:48.56 | michael117 | ineffable: alright, I set up a vnc on my test box by typing "testbox:~/.vnc# tightvncserver :16 -geometry 800x600 -depth 16 -name testbox" |
| 01:49.18 | ineffable | michael117, this isn't as root, is it? |
| 01:49.32 | michael117 | ineffable: ... |
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| 01:49.43 | jetscreamer | oh and i'm trying to make sure you're careful so i don't feel obliged to help you fix anything you might break :) |
| 01:49.51 | jan86 | ok I've installed the tcl package but the script can't find tcl on the machine ? |
| 01:49.56 | ineffable | michael117, it isn't catastrophic if it is, just not always a good idea to use X as root since it could accidentally cause system problems |
| 01:50.08 | jetscreamer | but i seriously doubt if you will |
| 01:50.25 | Azar | ok I have a question now: I sense this is not good: the /etc/sudoers file has a setting I do not like much: %wheel ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL how can I disable this? |
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| 01:50.35 | ineffable | michael117, anyway, is the server running? |
| 01:51.04 | pngwen | Azar: use visudo, then edit the setting |
| 01:51.11 | michael117 | ineffable: I killed the process of the old one and am now a non-root user and am setting it up again |
| 01:51.15 | Azar | thanks pngwen |
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| 01:51.43 | michael117 | ineffable: alright, it's running |
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| 01:52.01 | JRWR | what install supports ITE 821x |
| 01:52.04 | pngwen | Azar: np, you do know that only means that you don't have to give a password for that accountto use any other. That doesn't grant access to all users, just that one sudoer. |
| 01:52.05 | jetscreamer | Azar: # |
| 01:52.17 | ineffable | michael117, Okay. You can try logging into it with the viewer. Chances are you'll get a blank screen with a mouse and maybe an open xterm window, but nothing else. |
| 01:52.20 | JRWR | im trying to install onto a HD on a ite 821x card |
| 01:52.36 | michael117 | ineffable: I actually got an error message |
| 01:52.40 | pngwen | Azar: err... sorry, that was for the whole wheel group, your right to be concerned! |
| 01:52.47 | ineffable | michael117, when trying to log in, or when running the server? |
| 01:53.17 | michael117 | ineffable: When I try doing anything involving xtightvncviewer. Could you pm me and I'll send you the error |
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| 01:53.48 | jan86 | guys, I've installed tcl but the script I'm trying to run won't find tcl ? |
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| 01:54.57 | curt | jan86, it's probably in /usr/bin |
| 01:55.14 | jan86 | ok |
| 01:55.20 | curt | jan86, dpkg -L <packagename> will show what files go where for a package |
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| 01:55.49 | jan86 | debian is complicated |
| 01:56.12 | jan86 | I can only run in 800x600 for some reason... |
| 01:56.21 | curt | Linux in general has a learning curve, but Debian is not complicated |
| 01:56.30 | curt | !drxx |
| 01:56.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 01:56.39 | nanok | jan86: it's as elegant and simple as it gets. ymmv, de gustibus, etc |
| 01:56.58 | pngwen | jan86 you probably need to reconfigure your xwindows configuartion. What sort of video card/monitor do you have? |
| 01:57.15 | jan86 | I have an old 17inch crt |
| 01:57.19 | jan86 | from ttc |
| 01:57.23 | jan86 | about 8years old |
| 01:57.24 | curt | google your monitor for horizontal and vertical refresh rate and use advanced in the monitor settings |
| 01:57.35 | jan86 | and I'm running debain on a small form factor system |
| 01:57.43 | pngwen | jan86 do you know the refresh rates of the monitor? |
| 01:57.44 | jan86 | it has integrated video, sound, etc |
| 01:57.47 | Azar | su is same thing as sudo? |
| 01:57.50 | jan86 | yes, 85 |
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| 01:58.00 | jan86 | but it says 86... |
| 01:58.02 | nanok | Azar: no |
| 01:58.03 | dooglus | Azar: similar |
| 01:58.07 | curt | Azar, su changes sudo executes as root |
| 01:58.13 | pngwen | Azar: no, su, allows you to change to a user if you have permission/password. Sudo grants access to specific files |
| 01:58.19 | nanok | not even similar.. |
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| 01:58.27 | pngwen | jan86: do you know the horizontal and vertical rates of the monitor? |
| 01:58.29 | baffled | kurt, that worked nicely thank you very much!! |
| 01:58.35 | jan86 | no |
| 01:58.45 | Azar | thanks guys because I am about to block sudo altogether and I wasnt sure if will block me from executing su |
| 01:58.45 | dooglus | Azar: sudo can do everything that su can do, and more. |
| 01:58.50 | jan86 | I just know it can go to 85hz |
| 01:58.53 | curt | baffled, no problem |
| 01:59.01 | Dewi | Azar: "block sudo altogether"? |
| 01:59.14 | Dewi | Azar: do you mean clearing /etc/sudoers? or removing the package? |
| 01:59.24 | Azar | Dewi, I do not like what I see I have the feeling I have wide open access through sudo |
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| 01:59.34 | nanok | jan86: try gtf, it might help you figure things out, if you know for sure what refresh at what "resolution" your monitor supports |
| 01:59.34 | Azar | Dewi /etc/sudoers |
| 01:59.39 | Dewi | Azar: don't edit /etc/sudoers directly, user visudo |
| 01:59.43 | baffled | That's been bugging me for awhile and I couldn't find an answer. |
| 01:59.44 | Dewi | use visudo even |
| 01:59.48 | Azar | Dewi, via visudo |
| 01:59.57 | Dewi | Azar: fair enough. No, it shouldn't affect su |
| 02:00.00 | pngwen | hehe nanok, beat me to it :-) |
| 02:00.13 | Azar | Dewi, thanks thanks guys. |
| 02:00.15 | jeffpc_ | jetscreamer: looks like it worked..it is upgrading the system now... |
| 02:00.26 | baffled | Have a nice evening folks! |
| 02:00.57 | jan86 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:00.58 | jan86 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:01.09 | nanok | pngwen: aka saved you some typing. there's no contest, as long as the "diserving" (TM) get helped, it's ok ;) |
| 02:01.30 | pngwen | nanok: hehe yeah, I was in mid sentence so ya saved me a bit! |
| 02:02.24 | pngwen | jan86: what do you have in the monitor section of your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file? |
| 02:02.32 | jan86 | dunno.. |
| 02:02.38 | nanok | never got to actualy understanding those bloody modelines. thanks to the guy who thaught of writing gtf |
| 02:02.49 | curt | jan86, you might also try apt-get install xresprobe the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-[xorg or xfree86] |
| 02:03.01 | curt | s/the/then |
| 02:03.02 | jan86 | why ? |
| 02:03.20 | nanok | curt: interesting. to be remembered |
| 02:03.24 | pngwen | jan86 if you have the wrong rates in that file, it won't be able to hit all available resolutions. |
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| 02:03.45 | nanok | curt: does it use DDC probing (or however the hell it is called,)? |
| 02:03.56 | curt | jan86, to automate the resolution part of xserver |
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| 02:04.17 | Azar | nice: insults :) |
| 02:04.24 | curt | nanok, not really sure. it works on alot of screens |
| 02:04.37 | pngwen | jan86: curt's suggestion is probably the easiest way for you to go. it should work |
| 02:04.38 | nanok | curt: yes, it does. nice |
| 02:04.50 | Azar | If set, sudo will insult users when they enter an incorrect password. |
| 02:04.51 | nanok | jan86: yup. try that |
| 02:05.25 | nanok | Azar: i see what you mean: that should be default |
| 02:05.30 | pngwen | I'm an oldschooler. sometimes I'll guide you into the very bowels of your system. Keep forgetting there are easier ways now! |
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| 02:05.39 | nanok | :P |
| 02:05.48 | curt | hehe |
| 02:05.51 | Azar | nanok: default is off unfortunately and I never seen that line in sudoers.. I wonder how to put it there |
| 02:05.51 | psychonate | hmm, anyone know why 'vim.gtk,' 'vim.gnome,' and 'vim.lesstif' all start up the console vim editor? |
| 02:06.06 | magyar | off topic, but lots of folks here: Has anyone delt with CRTC before? |
| 02:06.06 | psychonate | instead of their respective gui versions |
| 02:06.10 | nanok | pngwen: yeah. use an editor, young aprentice, mice are for pussyes |
| 02:06.19 | nanok | hey, that actually makes sense |
| 02:06.25 | nanok | have to remember that one :) |
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| 02:06.51 | curt | Azar, would screwing with sudo mess up any programs that would need or have suid bit set |
| 02:06.52 | pngwen | nanok: hehe that's a good one. I always liked the classic "Your mother dresses you and you need a mouse to delete files!" |
| 02:06.56 | Azar | I used Woody CLI no mouse for 3 years |
| 02:07.23 | Azar | curt I suppose so that why I try being careful, I only zapped the %wheel group out of there |
| 02:07.26 | nanok | curt: no, normaly not |
| 02:07.26 | pngwen | I use ratpoison as my wm, I just stack up terminals, run screen in them, and get hyperquick use of my computer. |
| 02:07.54 | Azar | nanok, my auth.log shows me that every half hour or so something is using root, some process |
| 02:07.59 | useruser | pngwen: why do you stack up terminals? the poitn of screen is you only need one |
| 02:08.36 | nanok | pngwen: i used to use ion myself(which is similar). no i finally got to cinfiguring fvwm; i love using a 3x3 pages desktop ;) |
| 02:08.50 | psychonate | Hmm, I don't think my system can handle decoding of highest compression FLAC files; xmms freezes on seeking :( |
| 02:09.11 | nanok | pngwen: try mrxvt. no need to stack them up ;) |
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| 02:09.23 | pngwen | nanok: I use xnest with my custom fvwm theme for things like gimp that don't cope well with ratpoison |
| 02:09.35 | jetscreamer | no sudo doesn't have anything to do with that curt |
| 02:09.39 | pngwen | nanok: well I do divide the frames, that's what I meant by "stacking" |
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| 02:09.59 | jetscreamer | pngwen: htf do you start xnest w/o having a premade shortcut |
| 02:10.10 | nanok | pngwen: yeah, i know. it is a sort of.. tabing. it's nice, indeed |
| 02:10.25 | curt | jetscreamer, "doesn't have anything" or probably not? |
| 02:10.30 | pngwen | jetscreamer: I have it bound to C-t X |
| 02:10.30 | nanok | but i wouldnt trade fvwm for the world, now :) |
| 02:11.01 | jetscreamer | curt: sudo just lets you do things as root, it doens't alter permissions or suid bits or anything |
| 02:11.10 | pngwen | nanok: if I couple that with my highly customized screenrc file in each, my desktop looks hyper high-tech in a retro sort of way |
| 02:11.32 | nanok | pngwen: i know what you mean :) |
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| 02:11.57 | curt | jetscreamer, I am not challenging I just didn't really know. :) |
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| 02:12.15 | jetscreamer | i didn't think you were |
| 02:12.21 | jetscreamer | i was just answering the question |
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| 02:13.03 | nanok | jetscreamer: well, it seemed to me like you were just answering the question |
| 02:13.17 | nanok | so, to the best of our perception,..i guess you were |
| 02:13.23 | curt | hehe |
| 02:13.23 | nanok | :) |
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| 02:14.07 | curt | I thought that my response might have read a little tearse, that's all. |
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| 02:15.10 | jetscreamer | terse gdit :) |
| 02:15.28 | jetscreamer | that was an example of a jetjoke |
| 02:15.37 | ineffable | quick question of interest: is there a specific "Debian way" or setting up iptables to load all of its rules on boot? The only howto's I can find are 3 years old. I know how to do it other ways, but they're kind of clunky, and I hear there's a debian way |
| 02:16.53 | nanok | ineffable: i think there is some iptables save/restore thingie |
| 02:17.07 | nanok | ineffable: try to look for something regarding that |
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| 02:17.21 | nanok | ineffable: never usedit myself, though |
| 02:17.41 | nixie | me neither, i just write a bash script in /etc/init.d |
| 02:17.56 | nixie | and use update-rc.d to add it to runlevels |
| 02:18.07 | ineffable | yeah, that's what I'm doing. but I read somewhere while digging that there's a way to do it using the debian-specific init scripts |
| 02:18.24 | whosla | hi folks, which program or script is used by kdm/gdm/xdm when logging in from the graphical |
| 02:18.25 | whosla | login managers? i can't find .xsession or .xinitrc. |
| 02:18.31 | nixie | if it aint broken.. :) |
| 02:18.35 | nanok | nixie: or many, if you want a nice layed out architecture, with one file for snated ip's , one for foobared ips, etc |
| 02:18.52 | jetscreamer | .dmrc i 'think' whosla |
| 02:19.02 | nixie | nanok: taste :) |
| 02:19.36 | nanok | nixie: the multiple files being just sourced in the main script, ofc |
| 02:19.58 | curt | you could ask at #iptables |
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| 02:20.24 | nanok | taste, boredome, long-term lazyness, willingness to delegate and have another beer meanwhile, cal it what you want ;) |
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| 02:21.03 | whosla | jetscreamer, so, that is it? only one line there: start=kde |
| 02:21.28 | nanok | argh. mails from logs started pooring in.. |
| 02:21.29 | nanok | the fun begins |
| 02:22.12 | whosla | jetscreamer, sorry. it shoud be "Session=kde". |
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| 02:22.33 | psychonate | hmm, seem to be having some issues with FLAC; xmms doesn't like any of my files heh |
| 02:22.41 | jetscreamer | whosla: not sure, i don't use em much |
| 02:22.58 | whosla | thks, anyway. |
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| 02:23.24 | ineffable | michael117: x-progs working alright? |
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| 02:24.17 | curt | psychonate, do you have xmms-flac installed |
| 02:25.12 | psychonate | curt, yeah. I should have been more specific: xmms crashes when I try to seek through the files. But I think it's actually either an issue with the encoder or with the disc |
| 02:25.56 | jeffpc_ | jetscreamer: woohoo...I like X :) |
| 02:25.57 | jeffpc_ | thanks |
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| 02:26.03 | jeffpc_ | until next time ;) |
| 02:26.06 | St3ph | Can anyone recommend any command line mp3 players? |
| 02:26.08 | jetscreamer | np |
| 02:26.17 | hatake_kakashi | St3ph: mplayer |
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| 02:26.23 | St3ph | thanks |
| 02:26.34 | jetscreamer | heh somebody just popped off 9 caps somewhere close |
| 02:26.39 | nanok | St3ph: ymmv. there is mp3blaster, imp3sh (not in debian, but i really like it) |
| 02:26.39 | psychonate | St3ph, mpg123, mpg321 |
| 02:26.45 | nanok | there are many others to |
| 02:26.53 | psychonate | yeah, mp3blaster is decent if you have curses |
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| 02:27.18 | jetscreamer | it's bad when you're in the habit of counting rounds in your own house |
| 02:27.19 | BarryAllen | hi all |
| 02:27.21 | St3ph | Any with small amount of dependencies? |
| 02:27.32 | nanok | psychonate: i could never get accustomed with it, to be honest. but meybe its just me |
| 02:27.40 | BarryAllen | where i have tu put magic, to make apache2 + php4 in debian? |
| 02:27.55 | jetscreamer | mimetype i believe BarryAllen |
| 02:28.03 | psychonate | nanok, I never had to mess with too much; I generally stick to xmms |
| 02:28.06 | nanok | St3ph: most are. imp3sh is basicaly a shell, and quite small (and smart) |
| 02:28.08 | jetscreamer | probably apache.conf but ask in #apache |
| 02:28.13 | psychonate | nanok, I'd like to use bmp, but I'd need more plugins I think |
| 02:28.16 | BarryAllen | jetscreamer, i comment out the php stuff in the /etc/mime.conf |
| 02:28.19 | nanok | St3ph: mp3blaster has a nice gui(ncurses) |
| 02:28.33 | jetscreamer | BarryAllen: i've told you everything i know about it ... |
| 02:28.45 | BarryAllen | jetscreamer, i installed php4-gd, but gd support still not working.... same, with mysql, ldap |
| 02:29.11 | St3ph | nanok im looking for a command line mp3 player I dont have a gui installed. |
| 02:29.13 | nanok | psychonate: i resent xmms and the like, for some reason. mybe because i find using the cli so confortble and touch the mouse so seldom :) |
| 02:29.26 | curt | BarryAllen, I just apt-get install apache2 libapache2-mod-php4 and it works |
| 02:29.28 | nanok | St3ph: mp3blaster has a textmode gui |
| 02:29.37 | nanok | St3ph: doesnt need X |
| 02:29.42 | jetscreamer | xmms is too tiny, and double size isn't a sharp font imo |
| 02:29.45 | useruser | nanok: which sucks, sadly |
| 02:29.56 | nanok | St3ph: try to apt-cache search. there are quite a few in debian |
| 02:30.00 | pngwen | BarryAllen Have you tried restarting apache? /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 02:30.01 | psychonate | nanok, fair enough. What's your preferred audio app? |
| 02:30.06 | BarryAllen | pngwen, yeap... |
| 02:30.07 | useruser | St3ph: mplayer is good |
| 02:30.14 | St3ph | cool |
| 02:30.31 | nanok | St3ph: there was also another one i liked: linuxeyes. but last time i tryed it, it was broken enough not to work on debian |
| 02:30.34 | nanok | :( |
| 02:30.41 | pngwen | BarryAllen hmm... try running a small php script with <?php phpinfo();?> and see if it has a gd and mysql section |
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| 02:31.27 | nanok | psychonate: well, i would say imp3sh. i think it is brilliant. it might beneffit for a few brushups, but it is by far the best i have tryed so far, imho |
| 02:31.30 | St3ph | nanok: thanks I'll try them out |
| 02:32.01 | BarryAllen | pngwen, i do that.... |
| 02:32.10 | BarryAllen | no gd, mysql, ldap stuff.... and i have it installed |
| 02:32.36 | nanok | psychonate: such a shame it didnt make it into debian yet. guess not many people use it |
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| 02:32.52 | psychonate | nanok, could request it I guess |
| 02:32.55 | nanok | psychonate: it is especyally a champ at managing huge playlists |
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| 02:33.06 | Lone_Wanderer | What's a good FTP server to run? |
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| 02:33.28 | psychonate | nanok, sounds decent, but I need support also for FLAC, monkey's, mpc, and shorten :( |
| 02:33.35 | nanok | Lone_Wanderer: proftpd is one. but ymmv. apt-cache search is your friend |
| 02:33.42 | pngwen | BerryAllen: Take a look in your /etc/php4/apache2/php.ini file. There should be a line that says "Local Variables" and then somewhere below that, two lines saying "extension=mysql.so" and "extension=gd.so" if not, add those there and restart apache and try the phpinfo again. |
| 02:33.54 | Azar | after I reconfigure/reload ssh will denyhosts be affected if I changed the ssh port? |
| 02:33.57 | curt | BarryAllen, check that you have lines like this in apache2.conf or httpd.conf http://channels.debian.net/paste/2024 |
| 02:33.59 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah, I searched for ftpd, but there's a lot in there and I'm just not sure which is best. I just need a small, simple one. |
| 02:34.05 | nanok | psychonate: it can use external players too. i think it has support for flac, lemme check |
| 02:34.27 | psychonate | nanok, if it can use external decoders, I might be in good shape heh |
| 02:34.29 | jan86 | very disapointing, I had to install tcl manually :/ |
| 02:34.30 | BarryAllen | just a sec |
| 02:34.45 | jan86 | what packages do I need for ftp and telnet access to my debian machine ? |
| 02:34.57 | Azar | jan86: Debian is for everyone for every taste, I would not like to get by default what YOU want.. so live with it |
| 02:35.08 | jan86 | :P |
| 02:35.10 | silensius_ | how can i clear my xterm history ? |
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| 02:35.15 | nanok | wzdftpd - A portable, modular, small and efficient ftp server |
| 02:35.18 | nanok | maybe? |
| 02:35.34 | Azar | jan86: I guess telnet is installed and on by default |
| 02:35.42 | jan86 | ok |
| 02:35.49 | jan86 | what about ftp access ? |
| 02:35.50 | curt | jan86, ssh too... |
| 02:35.56 | Lone_Wanderer | heh. on mine it says that it's not user friendly, and doesn't mention small. I'll go with that one though thanks :) |
| 02:36.09 | nanok | psychonate: http://www.geocities.com/kman_can/ |
| 02:36.16 | Azar | jan86: I do not know if there is a ftp client installed |
| 02:36.27 | curt | !ftp |
| 02:36.27 | dpkg | ftp is probably (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as runnin windows on your firewall machine. |
| 02:36.36 | psychonate | nanok, "Uses external players to play any other file type"--good deal |
| 02:36.51 | nanok | Lone_Wanderer: i dont know. i never used it, really. was just an example. search for more, i am sure there are quite a few |
| 02:37.08 | nanok | psychonate: yup, as i said ;) |
| 02:37.11 | Azar | curt, will denyhosts be affected if I changed my ssh port? |
| 02:37.35 | nanok | psychonate: the downside is that it cannot do eq on external players.. |
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| 02:38.06 | curt | Azar, as long as you use the port specifically to connect, i do not think so. |
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| 02:38.39 | psychonate | nanok, I never use it anyway |
| 02:38.58 | curt | jan86, proftp is my ftp of choice. If you just want to transfer files yourself try "man scp" |
| 02:39.11 | Phire | hello |
| 02:39.24 | jan86 | no I wanna use a client on some other machines and do stuff from there |
| 02:39.34 | Azar | curt reality is I stopped using ssh (I mean since my friends left my box) so I am kind of locking down |
| 02:40.07 | Azar | anyways, anyone interested in The Perfect Rails/Debian/Lighttpd Stack... http://brainspl.at/rails_stack.html |
| 02:40.22 | Phire | 1 quick question, does anyone know if debian would mind if i install it useing one computer then move the hdd to a new computer |
| 02:40.25 | nanok | psychonate: this one has the most "no-nonsense" gui i have yet seen. havent tryed it in quite a while, though http://lug.orizont.net/~linuxeyes/ |
| 02:40.54 | nanok | Phire: usualy not. but it depends |
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| 02:41.08 | pngwen | Phire: so long as the architecture is the same on both computers (IE i386 on both) you usually can |
| 02:41.12 | curt | Azar, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
| 02:41.18 | nanok | Phire: if the first computer is x86 and the second is a dec alpha, it might not like it :P |
| 02:41.19 | michael117 | What's the command to start gnome? |
| 02:41.41 | pngwen | Phire: you'd probably have to reconfigure the autoloading modules though. |
| 02:41.45 | Phire | both are petium i686 |
| 02:42.12 | curt | michael117, do you use and x-server? |
| 02:42.14 | pngwen | you should be fine, apart from a bit of driver reconfigs. |
| 02:42.18 | Azar | curt, yes, I was just googling for an easy howto..I found some :) thanks |
| 02:42.41 | nanok | pngwen: neah. it will most likely work out of the box. small chance it wont figure out some strange non-critical stuff |
| 02:42.49 | curt | Azar, nice to start at the source |
| 02:43.14 | Phire | would it automaticly configre the network drives so I can ssh in (the other computer is not at my house) |
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| 02:43.41 | Azar | curt I tend to better understand howtos written in a human language: something like a cool story :) |
| 02:43.48 | curt | Phire, it wouldn't be on the same network then would it? |
| 02:43.49 | pngwen | Phire: you may have to manually modprobe the proper driver for your network card, then again, maybe not. So if it doesn't, it would be an easy fix |
| 02:43.52 | michael117 | curt: I have x-server |
| 02:43.53 | Azar | http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/securing-debian-HOWTO.html << this guy writes as human as possible |
| 02:44.05 | curt | michael117, what login manager do you use |
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| 02:44.16 | michael117 | curt: I know startx gets x server going, but I want to get gnome going |
| 02:44.36 | Phire | thanks everyone, I'll try that. |
| 02:44.49 | azeem | Ÿ/w 11 |
| 02:44.50 | curt | michael117, something like /etc/init.d/[gxk]dm start |
| 02:44.53 | azeem | bah |
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| 02:45.11 | tubaman | michael117, put "exec gnome-session" in your .xinitrc file |
| 02:45.25 | tubaman | michael117, then when you type startx, you should get gnome |
| 02:45.33 | michael117 | thank |
| 02:45.33 | michael117 | s |
| 02:46.12 | tubaman | michael117, if you want a graphical login manager to run on boot, apt-get install gdm |
| 02:46.24 | curt | !xsession |
| 02:46.25 | dpkg | i heard xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
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| 02:46.49 | michael117 | tubaman: well, this is on a remote machine that I won't be connecting a physical monitor to so, I'm not sure if it would be necessary |
| 02:47.05 | JRWR | where can i find the mod for it821x for debian stable 26 |
| 02:47.28 | JRWR | i whant to put it on floppy so i can install debian on a HD on that card |
| 02:48.27 | nanok | psychonate: hey. the latest rpm (aliened) of linuxeyes actually seems to work. sweet |
| 02:48.31 | nanok | psychonate: try it ;) |
| 02:49.07 | BarryAllen | ok, i have removed all... and start again |
| 02:49.22 | pngwen | BarryAllen ok |
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| 02:53.36 | psychonate | nanok, will do |
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| 02:54.30 | erf | How do I set my dns servers in debian? |
| 02:54.44 | BarryAllen | how can i search what package provide a file with dpkg or apt-get |
| 02:54.58 | BarryAllen | i install everything about apache2, but i nave no /etc/init.d/apache2 |
| 02:55.18 | pngwen | erf add nameserver entries to your /etc/resolv.conf file. nameserver serverIP |
| 02:55.29 | pngwen | BarryAllen: what apt-get commands did you issue? |
| 02:55.32 | nanok | BarryAllen: dpkg -L apache2 | grep "init.d" |
| 02:55.33 | nanok | ;) |
| 02:56.03 | tubaman | erf, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html#s-dns-resolvconf |
| 02:56.06 | BarryAllen | nanok, empty |
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| 02:56.28 | BarryAllen | pngwen, :apt-get install apache2 apache2-common libapache2-mod-php4 libapache2-mod-perl2 php4 php4-cli php4-common php4-curl php4-dev php4-domxml php4-gd php4-imap php4-ldap php4-mcal php4-mhash php4-mysql php4-odbc php4-pear php4-xslt curl libwww-perl imagemagick |
| 02:56.31 | nanok | BarryAllen: than you are missing some package |
| 02:56.45 | nanok | weird.. |
| 02:56.59 | nanok | BarryAllen: dpkg -l apache2? |
| 02:57.03 | pngwen | that is weird! it should come with that init file |
| 02:57.25 | BarryAllen | ii apache2 2.0.54-5 next generation, scalable, extendable web server |
| 02:57.41 | ineffable | I didn't know the Flash used Debian... |
| 02:58.17 | BarryAllen | nanok, apt-get remove package, really remove it? i try to remove all, and then, reinstall all, but i have the impression... he conserve the old files.... |
| 02:58.50 | nanok | BarryAllen: you have to use purge. otherwise it will keep some confs |
| 02:58.50 | curt | BarryAllen, do you have apachectl in /etc/init.d if so use that |
| 02:59.13 | tubaman | BarryAllen, dpkg -L apache2-common | grep init.d |
| 03:00.06 | tubaman | pngwen, "apache2" just contains the changelog, everything else is in apach2-common |
| 03:01.05 | BarryAllen | fenix:/etc/init.d# dpkg -L apache2-common |grep init |
| 03:01.05 | BarryAllen | /etc/init.d |
| 03:01.05 | BarryAllen | /etc/init.d/apache2 |
| 03:01.09 | BarryAllen | but |
| 03:01.15 | silensius_ | what's de meaning of this ? |
| 03:01.21 | silensius_ | eth0: PACKET SNIFFER(/sbin/dhclient[3448]) |
| 03:01.26 | BarryAllen | fenix:/etc/init.d# ls /etc/init.d/apache* |
| 03:01.27 | BarryAllen | ls: /etc/init.d/apache*: No such file or directory |
| 03:02.10 | BarryAllen | ok, ill link it to apache2ctl, but... is very wierd for me... |
| 03:02.28 | tubaman | BarryAllen, try apt-get --reinstall install apache2-common |
| 03:03.16 | BarryAllen | done |
| 03:03.28 | BarryAllen | not works :( |
| 03:03.45 | BarryAllen | some cache? |
| 03:03.49 | BarryAllen | maybe? |
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| 03:05.55 | BarryAllen | .... il convert the package in a tar... unpack... and put it there. |
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| 03:06.14 | emad_ | hi, when using gnome-terminal, prior to today, I was able to use the right click, open link, option to open links in firefox, today it is only opening things in epiphany. i ran gnome-default-applications-properties and set the browser to firefox, and that didnt fix the problem, i also used gconf to edit the url-handlers options to firefox and that didnt fix it |
| 03:06.21 | emad_ | any ideas as to what i should try next? |
| 03:06.45 | beardy | That's strange. |
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| 03:07.31 | beardy | emad_: Check what you have set as x www browser in the alternatives system. |
| 03:07.36 | beardy | !x-www-browser |
| 03:07.36 | dpkg | To choose/change the default browser to be used in X (in the debian alternatives system), run (as root) 'update-alternatives --config x-www-browser' Also ask me about "www-browser" "update-alternatives" and "alternatives". |
| 03:08.07 | tubaman | BarryAllen, you can use "ar" to unpack the deb |
| 03:08.12 | tubaman | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/116 |
| 03:09.13 | jetscreamer | where is the gateway configured, which file in /etc or subdir |
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| 03:09.27 | tubaman | jetscreamer, /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:09.30 | jetscreamer | thanks |
| 03:09.47 | emad_ | beardy: ok i set it to option 3, firefox and it did not respond with any errors. should i restart anything ? because as of right now, epiphany is still opening up |
| 03:09.59 | Stevie-O | why does debian use ar files, anyway? |
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| 03:12.05 | beardy | emad_: No, you shouldn't have to restart anything. And it should be that gnome-default-applications-properties that takes care of which browser gnome uses, I don't run gnome myself, but I've seen severla people to which it has worked fine for, when they changed the browser in there. |
| 03:12.38 | beardy | emad_: Have you upgraded anything, or done anything at all since it was last working? |
| 03:12.58 | beardy | !gnomebrowser |
| 03:12.58 | dpkg | To change the default web browser in gnome (and other default applications) run gnome-default-applications-properties in an xterm. Also ask me about "x-www-browser" and "www-browser" |
| 03:13.16 | beardy | emad_: Just for reference, that is what you did? ^^^ |
| 03:13.39 | emad_ | beardy: yes |
| 03:13.47 | emad_ | and i usually dist-upgrade |
| 03:13.58 | emad_ | and i am on testing |
| 03:14.03 | emad_ | (not unstable) |
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| 03:15.51 | beardy | emad_: You could make sure once again, that the gnomebrowser you want is selected, and theh restart X and Gnome, but that shouldn't be necessary. I don't think I can help you further.. |
| 03:15.51 | emad_ | firefox is also set to be used in /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/http/command |
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| 03:16.04 | emad_ | beardy: ok thank you for trying |
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| 03:16.08 | BarryAllen | pngwen, you was right.... extension=xxx.so was commented |
| 03:16.10 | Stevie-O | why does dpkg know Ar is argon? |
| 03:16.28 | BarryAllen | tubaman, dpkg -x unpack a deb too, tks :) |
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| 03:16.46 | Codename_V | can someone tell me right quick how many run levels are set up on debian by default? or alternatively what package /etc/inittab would come in? |
| 03:17.12 | nanok | Codename_V: sure. all of them |
| 03:17.13 | emad_ | beardy: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 2006-02-23 21:38 /etc/alternatives/gnome-www-browser -> /usr/bin/epiphany |
| 03:17.13 | nanok | :) |
| 03:17.16 | emad_ | i think i found it |
| 03:17.17 | emad_ | thanks |
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| 03:17.36 | Codename_V | or even better. paste /etc/inittab? |
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| 03:18.22 | beardy | emad_: Ah.. I didn't know about that. |
| 03:18.41 | nanok | Codename_V: on debian, all runlevels from 2 trough 5 are the same. it is up to the sysadmin to decide how to diff between them, if he so desires |
| 03:19.15 | beardy | emad_: 'update-alternatives --config gnome-www-browser' then? |
| 03:19.15 | tubaman | Codename_V, http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-customizing.en.html#s-booting |
| 03:19.46 | Codename_V | nanok: ah. thanks. |
| 03:20.11 | emad_ | beardy: well, i manually changed the sym link, and it didnt fix it :< |
| 03:20.29 | emad_ | There is only 1 program which provides gnome-www-browser |
| 03:20.29 | emad_ | (/usr/bin/epiphany). Nothing to configure. |
| 03:20.38 | emad_ | so i probably did the wrong thing |
| 03:21.02 | beardy | emad_: You can add new programs as alternatives. |
| 03:21.30 | beardy | emad_: 'man update-alternatives' |
| 03:21.34 | emad_ | oh, ok |
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| 03:22.47 | beardy | emad_: Perhaps that is something new, the gnome-www-browser in the alternatives system, and that that, or something else has become confused in gnome in testing. |
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| 03:23.46 | kastner | I'm trying to fetch a file from a remote server - the path has a space in it, but scp keeps choking - tried \ and "", but no dice, any ideas? |
| 03:23.55 | astronut | this is interesting |
| 03:24.06 | astronut | once x starts (nv driver), i can't get to a tty |
| 03:24.09 | astronut | it just puts monitor into sleep |
| 03:24.31 | pngwen | kastner: try using \\\ |
| 03:24.37 | kastner | ok |
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| 03:24.42 | pngwen | kastner: there was a space after that :-D |
| 03:24.47 | kastner | haha ok |
| 03:24.59 | astronut | karsten: what tool |
| 03:25.09 | kastner | Bingo! |
| 03:25.19 | kastner | pngwen: thanks so much |
| 03:25.29 | pngwen | kastner: the reason is \space is interpreted by the shell, so you have to do \\ to send a |
| 03:25.37 | pngwen | kastner: \ to scp |
| 03:25.37 | kastner | wow |
| 03:25.40 | pngwen | kastner: no problem! |
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| 03:25.48 | kastner | nuts... so "\" might have worked also |
| 03:25.52 | kastner | "\ " |
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| 03:26.12 | pngwen | kastner: no, you need both to interpret it, so the triple \ is the way to go |
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| 03:26.18 | beardy | emad_: seems like it http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/01/msg01519.html |
| 03:26.23 | kastner | got it, thanks again, ttyl |
| 03:26.27 | astronut | once x starts (nv driver), i can't get to a tty, hitting ctrl+alt+f1 just gives me a blank screen (monitor does it's sleep thing) |
| 03:26.28 | warreng | is there really no lighttpd package for debian? |
| 03:27.36 | beardy | warreng: If it isn't there, it isn't there. |
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| 03:29.12 | beardy | warreng: But Google is there. |
| 03:29.19 | mzilikazi | astronut: try vesa? |
| 03:29.28 | astronut | mzilikazi: looks like it's also loaded |
| 03:29.33 | astronut | mzilikazi: x works fine, tty doesn't |
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| 03:30.24 | beardy | warreng: http://rubyists.com/articles/2006/01/26/lighttpd-debian-1-4-10-package-ready Is lighttpd problematic in someway license-wise? Anyway, there is a package it seems.. |
| 03:31.01 | deadcat_ | warreng: 213? |
| 03:31.11 | beardy | warreng: But unofficial, and unsupported I suppose, know what you are doing, and so on. |
| 03:32.20 | deadcat_ | having the ibook in the shop for 1 week. i had 191 packages to upgrade. 170MB (= |
| 03:32.38 | mzilikazi | astronut: do you have tty's? |
| 03:32.44 | astronut | mzilikazi: eh? |
| 03:32.44 | emad_ | /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser |
| 03:32.49 | mzilikazi | ps aux|grep tty |
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| 03:35.22 | deadcat_ | i currently have /var/www/debian/unstable/ with all my compiled stuff. can i put all the i386 and ppc in that same dir and it will work from my machines? |
| 03:35.35 | beardy | warreng: There are lots of other light webservers in Debian though. 'apt-cache search httpd' for example. |
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| 03:36.07 | deadcat_ | lighttpd is pretty nice though. i use it on the laptop |
| 03:36.15 | dos000 | anyone can explain how in the world are you supposed to make changes to /boot/grub/menu.lst when you have a raid /dev/md0 ? i tried doing grub-install /dev/md0 to no avail |
| 03:37.07 | ineffable | dos000: grub-install actually installs grub |
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| 03:37.17 | warreng | beardy: lighttpd seems to be the httpd of choice for the ruby on rails community... and i'm setting up a ruby on rails site... so it seems fitting |
| 03:37.30 | nanok | dos000: neither grub or lilo will boot of anything but raid1 (sw raid) |
| 03:37.36 | warreng | beardy: thanks for the link to that rubyist site though... looks good to me :) |
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| 03:37.41 | MatBoy | nanok, Bullshit |
| 03:37.48 | nanok | dos000: if it is raid1, |
| 03:37.58 | nanok | MatBoy: huh? amaze me.. |
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| 03:38.16 | MatBoy | nanok, I thought raid 0 was very possible ! |
| 03:38.24 | dos000 | ineffable, but to where ??? i also tried so many combinations of of grub targetting /dev/hdb1 /dev/hda1 (i have raid1) but when i reboot it always goes to degraded raid |
| 03:38.27 | nanok | MatBoy: raid0 doesnt exist |
| 03:38.35 | nanok | dont get me started.. |
| 03:38.36 | nanok | :) |
| 03:39.30 | MatBoy | nanok, raid0 doesn't exist ? from what kind of world are you ? |
| 03:39.30 | ineffable | dos000: grub-install installs grub into a mounted device with an existing filesystem. |
| 03:39.36 | dos000 | nanok, i have raid1 but to where i have to install the grub /dev/hda1 or dev/hdb1 or bith or just /dev/md0 |
| 03:39.38 | nanok | dos000: install grub on the mbr, have it use one of the partitions as it's root device, append root=/dev/md0 to the kernel entry |
| 03:39.41 | beardy | warreng: Hold on. There is, in both testing and unstable. My mistake, I'm very sorry. But you should also learn to search. |
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| 03:40.08 | nanok | dos000: one of the partitions in the raid1 array, that is |
| 03:40.18 | beardy | !+info lighttpd |
| 03:40.20 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 03:40.25 | dpkg | lighttpd: (A fast webserver with minimal memory footprint), section web, is optional. Version: 1.4.10-4 (sid), Packaged size: 280 kB, Installed size: 736 kB |
| 03:40.27 | emad_ | ok, how do i add a file as an alternative ? |
| 03:40.29 | beardy | !tell warreng -about search |
| 03:40.35 | emad_ | the man page doesnt seem to be very helpful |
| 03:40.47 | dos000 | nanok, if i put it on one it complains at boot time that the discs are not in sync ! |
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| 03:41.27 | nanok | dos000: after geting it to work, you can have an entry for each partition in the array, so you can boot even if alll the others are fucked (which is the point of having raid1 on / in the 1st place ;) |
| 03:41.27 | mzilikazi | emad_: easy way out is apt-get install galternatives |
| 03:41.40 | emad_ | thats how i roll |
| 03:41.49 | warreng | beardy: i searched and it wasn't there... i had to add that rubyists source to my sources.list to get it.... if dpkg knows about it, what's that mean? |
| 03:42.21 | nanok | dos000: dont install grub on the partition, install it on the mbr of the disk. i assume you have the sw raid made of partitions, not partitions made on a big partitinable sw raid |
| 03:42.24 | nanok | is that correct? |
| 03:43.15 | warreng | how do i figure out what version of debian i have installed? |
| 03:43.24 | dos000 | nanok, i have sw raid1 /dev/md0 using /dev/hda1 and hdb1 |
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| 03:43.39 | MatBoy | dos000, that;s OK |
| 03:43.50 | nanok | dos000: good |
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| 03:44.47 | emad_ | curse you epiphany! |
| 03:44.54 | beardy | warreng: Search on http://packages.debian.org/ Here it is: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=lighttpd&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all But use the backport if you are running sarge, here http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/l/lighttpd/ |
| 03:45.28 | nanok | dos000: now install grub on the mbr of one of them, tell it the root partition is the first partition on that same disk, and append root=/dev/md0 to the kernel entry, so the kernel will now what it's / is |
| 03:45.55 | beardy | emad_: Look under "ACTIONS" in the manpage, but I admit it looks a bit tricky, be careful not to break things if you are going to add something. |
| 03:46.20 | dos000 | nanok, lemme paste what i have in grub menu and the command i use to write to mbr |
| 03:46.29 | beardy | emad_: Or well, maybe not tricky, but read it very careful. |
| 03:46.30 | warreng | beardy: if i'm running sarge now, can i "upgrade" my entire install to a newer debian? |
| 03:47.02 | nanok | dos000: something like: grub, root (hd0,0) ; kernel /boot/kernel-of-your-choice root=/dev/md0 other_options_here , setup (hd0) |
| 03:47.04 | beardy | warreng: Don't do that. Especially if it's a server. And since you ask such a question, please don't. |
| 03:47.08 | nanok | i think it was setup.. |
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| 03:47.19 | warreng | beardy: haha... fair enough |
| 03:47.51 | beardy | warreng: Use the backport package of lighttpd. |
| 03:48.00 | warreng | beardy: i know a lot about linux.. just not debian's way of doing things |
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| 03:48.23 | nanok | dos000: i'm afraid you will have to use the grub shell, for installing on a sw raid setup like that |
| 03:48.26 | dos000 | nanok, i got those things ... http://pastebin.com/593835 |
| 03:48.33 | ineffable | warreng: yeah, servers are best left stable |
| 03:48.52 | beardy | warreng: There's nothing wrong with sarge. |
| 03:49.01 | ineffable | warreng: also, for the record, you can easily upgrade from stable to testing or unstable, and from testing to unstable, but there's *no going back* |
| 03:49.25 | ineffable | excepting, of course, a reformat/reinstall |
| 03:49.27 | warreng | ineffable: gotcha.. well i'm fine with stable |
| 03:49.32 | warreng | i'd just like some newer packages from time to time |
| 03:49.43 | runedude | okay.. im kind of pissed.. my filesystem is in readonly mode and i cant run ANYTHING at all. |
| 03:49.44 | warreng | but really only for things i use like mysql/php/apache/ruby/etc |
| 03:49.56 | runedude | anyone know how to fix? |
| 03:50.42 | dos000 | nanok, i have exactly what u are saying still it reboots as degraded raid ! |
| 03:50.47 | nanok | dos000: ok. what you have to do is write the actual grub bootloader (stage 1 i think it is called) to mbr. the menu.lst is fine, but useless untill you do that ;) |
| 03:51.31 | dos000 | nanok, my grub batch is not doing that ? |
| 03:51.33 | nanok | warreng: you can use backports if you must |
| 03:51.38 | beardy | warreng: Of course you decide yourself if you want to try testing or unstable, but if you run it on a server you are on your own. Try it on a machine that you don't mind reinstalling, or fix, and know how to, or want/can learn how to fix mostly yourself. |
| 03:52.10 | nanok | dos000: i dont know what it is doing. i have always done it by hand, myself |
| 03:52.24 | warreng | what about packages off of dotdeb.org ? |
| 03:52.38 | nanok | dos000: it only seems decent. you only have to do it once, and do it right, for each machine ;) |
| 03:52.57 | beardy | warreng: Sometimes testing and unstable works fine, but sometime, sooner or later, they _will_ break, badly, sometimes. |
| 03:53.17 | warreng | heh |
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| 03:54.02 | runedude | anyone want to take a stab at this? my filesystem isnt mounting as rw, but read only instead.. and i cant do anything at all.. cant run apache, samba.. and many other things.. and i tried such things as running fsck and nothing worked |
| 03:54.16 | runedude | it says my journal is messed up :\ |
| 03:54.21 | dos000 | nanok, it was done right by the installer i imagine because i used the debian installer to do the sw raid. now when i changed something in menu.lst and tried to save it to /dev/hd{a,b} it always reboots into degraded mode even if i explicitly reassembleit |
| 03:54.39 | nanok | runedude: thats bad |
| 03:54.46 | nanok | runedude: what fs? |
| 03:55.01 | runedude | ext3 i'd guess |
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| 03:55.25 | nanok | dos000: if you change the menu.lst, you dont have to do anything to the mbr |
| 03:55.28 | runedude | i mean all my files are here and everythings fine |
| 03:55.31 | runedude | but i cant write to anything |
| 03:55.39 | runedude | /dev/hda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) |
| 03:55.55 | nanok | dos000: in that case, it should just sync, that is what raid is for. i dont understand what the problem is.. |
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| 03:56.29 | runedude | cant use apt either.. |
| 03:56.30 | nanok | dos000: you are not mounting /dev/hd?? separately, to edit menu.lst, you are editing from the mounted raid device, i assume |
| 03:56.34 | runedude | E: Unable to write to /var/cache/apt/ |
| 03:56.43 | runedude | so im pretty much screwed |
| 03:56.46 | dos000 | nanok, when i do my batch script i get Running "install /boot/grub/stage1 (hd0) (hd0)1+18 p (hd0,0)/boot/grub/stage2 /boot/grub/menu.lst"... succeeded |
| 03:56.46 | dos000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:56.50 | ineffable | runedude: what are you logged in as? |
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| 03:57.05 | nanok | runedude: what does dmesg say? you might have some serious hw problem, with your controller or disk |
| 03:57.06 | runedude | root... |
| 03:57.10 | runedude | i cant login as anything else |
| 03:57.20 | runedude | EXT3-fs error (device ide0(3,1)) in ext3_setattr: Journal has aborted |
| 03:57.21 | ineffable | you're logged in as root and you can't access files?! |
| 03:57.28 | dos000 | nanok, i only have /dev/md0 mounted on dev/hdb1 |
| 03:57.32 | ineffable | ...ouch |
| 03:57.37 | runedude | ineffable: its a read only filesystem apparently... |
| 03:57.44 | nanok | dos000: huh?! |
| 03:57.51 | nanok | dos000: come again? |
| 03:57.52 | dos000 | nanok, make that /md0 => / |
| 03:57.58 | nanok | ah :) |
| 03:58.30 | Ashex | this has been the source of my stress and agony for the past couple days: http://www.pastebin.com/593850 |
| 03:58.40 | dos000 | nanok, and md0 is always using /dev/hdb1 .. rebooting makes the raid1 always degraded |
| 03:58.52 | Ashex | wait a second... |
| 03:59.19 | nanok | dos000: wait. right now, is hda1 marked as failed, or kicked out of the array? |
| 03:59.22 | Ashex | yeah, it's still the source of my agont and pain |
| 04:00.13 | runedude | if anyone knows the source of this "journal" problem, please help me out |
| 04:00.22 | beardy | Ashex: edit the Makefile? |
| 04:00.23 | runedude | i have alot of important data and i need access to it asap |
| 04:00.30 | nanok | Ashex: uh.. what does it set KERNELPATH to?.. |
| 04:00.36 | dos000 | nanok, totally kicked ! md0 : active raid1 ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/part1[1] |
| 04:00.36 | dos000 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:00.59 | nanok | dos000: well, reassemble the damn thing, let it sync |
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| 04:01.12 | nanok | dos000: it should be ok after reboot |
| 04:01.20 | nanok | after it is synced |
| 04:01.21 | dos000 | nanok, that is what i do always ... then reboot .. then back to sqare one ! |
| 04:01.35 | nanok | dont understnad... |
| 04:01.39 | dos000 | nanok, i also wait of course |
| 04:01.43 | nanok | dos000: do you let it finish? |
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| 04:01.45 | beardy | !reboot |
| 04:01.46 | dpkg | you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd2 |
| 04:02.01 | nanok | beardy: :) |
| 04:02.26 | dos000 | beardy, i am trying to put a new kernel actually ! |
| 04:02.28 | nanok | beardy: true, but you have to be sure you are ok in case of a reboot. for instance, power failure? |
| 04:02.31 | nanok | ;) |
| 04:02.53 | beardy | dos000: Fair enough then. |
| 04:02.55 | dos000 | nanok, yes i let it finish ! |
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| 04:03.51 | dos000 | what do u use to write to the mbr ? |
| 04:03.53 | nanok | dos000: there is something wrong.. |
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| 04:04.05 | nanok | dos000: well. grub.. |
| 04:04.13 | nanok | :) |
| 04:04.31 | dos000 | nanok, which command exactly ? to you write on both nbrs ? |
| 04:04.47 | jdhutchin1 | is there any place I can get older packages from testing? I upgraded a package (xorg), and for various reasons, need to downgrade it |
| 04:05.05 | runedude | hmm |
| 04:05.17 | runedude | jdhutchin1: just grab the .deb off of a mirror |
| 04:05.23 | nanok | jdhutchin1: downgrading?... youre in trouble.. |
| 04:05.45 | jdhutchin1 | I found out the hard way that the new versions don't work with my graphics card (geforce 2, I know it's old) |
| 04:05.56 | ineffable | runedude: okay, I've got a couple of thoughts about your problem |
| 04:06.05 | beardy | jdhutchin1: Really? |
| 04:06.13 | runedude | ineffable: please share |
| 04:06.15 | jdhutchin1 | runedude, the mirrors have the current version, I need the version before the current one |
| 04:06.25 | beardy | jdhutchin1: Are you sure that it's not the nvidia driver that is not working? |
| 04:06.30 | runedude | jdhutchin1: oh, that would be the current "stable" image then |
| 04:06.42 | nanok | runedude: make sure your hw isnt broken in some way. best boot a knoppix cd or similar, and see if there is something very wrong. if it is not, try to fix the filesystem running from cd |
| 04:06.55 | jdhutchin1 | runedude, no, I'm looking for a package that is in between the two- it's newer than stable, but isn't in testing anymore |
| 04:06.56 | runedude | okay |
| 04:06.58 | ineffable | runedude: I can't remember the specific console commands to change this, but it reminds me of something I had to deal with once. First, am I right in guessing that you have this partition mounted, and are running linux from a separate partition? |
| 04:07.01 | runedude | oh jdhutchin1 |
| 04:07.02 | runedude | hmm |
| 04:07.18 | jdhutchin1 | beardy, well, yes, it's nvidia-1.0.8 that doens't work with geforce 2, but the older version that works with geforce2 doesn't work with the newer xorg |
| 04:07.21 | runedude | ineffable: im running linux from the same partition as the one that is having problems |
| 04:07.32 | runedude | however i am just having 1 problem, its all readonly |
| 04:07.37 | runedude | my partition is all fine but i cant write |
| 04:07.47 | beardy | jdhutchin1: Then it's not xorg in itself, it's the shitty driver. |
| 04:08.22 | jdhutchin1 | beardy, well, either way, I need the older version of xorg- I can't fix the driver, but I can change xorg |
| 04:08.27 | nanok | runedude: that is not the problem, that is merely one of the simptoms |
| 04:08.49 | runedude | true :\ |
| 04:08.55 | runedude | hmm |
| 04:08.56 | nanok | jdhutchin1: or curse nvidia. dont forget to do that, eitherway ;) |
| 04:08.57 | ineffable | runedude: so nothing at all can be written? wow. |
| 04:09.01 | runedude | ineffable: nope |
| 04:09.03 | runedude | its all read only |
| 04:09.27 | runedude | ill pop in a gentoo cd and see if i cant mount it and stuff |
| 04:09.27 | runedude | brb |
| 04:09.31 | ineffable | wait |
| 04:09.35 | runedude | hm? |
| 04:09.47 | beardy | jdhutchin1: True. Or use the nv driver until they fix it, from either way. |
| 04:09.56 | nanok | runedude: it's readonly because it's fucked, and it prevents it form being overfucked, this way |
| 04:10.05 | jdhutchin1 | beardy, well, I'm using the nv driver right now- and it's painfully slow |
| 04:10.12 | ineffable | runedude: there's an option.. |
| 04:10.19 | runedude | nanok: which i am very grateful for |
| 04:10.25 | ineffable | runedude: first, you made sure it was all writable via ls -l right? |
| 04:10.28 | runedude | i have ALOT of very very important data on here |
| 04:10.31 | Ashex | nanok: it sets the kernelpath to what you see in the error log |
| 04:10.32 | runedude | ineffable: look |
| 04:10.43 | jdhutchin1 | runedude, then back it up no matter what you're going to do |
| 04:10.49 | runedude | root@rangi:~# echo hi > file |
| 04:10.49 | runedude | -bash: file: Read-only file system |
| 04:11.07 | nanok | Ashex: ah, ok. and is there nay such directory? |
| 04:11.13 | runedude | yeah |
| 04:11.17 | ineffable | runedude: anyway, I know there's a command that lets you alter that. because when you mount a drive in knoppix, it is by default read-only, but you can change that |
| 04:11.17 | runedude | well my problem is |
| 04:11.22 | nanok | Ashex: if there is none, than.. duuh |
| 04:11.23 | nanok | :) |
| 04:11.27 | ineffable | you just have to find one that does it more locally |
| 04:11.27 | runedude | i used this debian box as my backup server |
| 04:11.28 | runedude | :\ |
| 04:11.42 | runedude | so i really have no other "backup" server i can just move files to |
| 04:11.45 | Ashex | nanol: I've tried setting the kernel path with KERNELPATH= |
| 04:12.04 | Ashex | nanok: it keeps using the auditor kernel for some reason |
| 04:12.10 | nanok | ineffable: no, he doesnt want that. his problem is NOT that the fs is mounted readonly, his problem is WHY it is |
| 04:12.27 | runedude | in other words, i really depended on this box |
| 04:12.31 | runedude | and now its almost dead, so heh |
| 04:12.57 | nanok | runedude: you dont want to fuck with that, especially if you care about the data. you can force it to be mounted rw, but i wouldnt do that |
| 04:13.13 | runedude | yea i just want to get my most important stuff |
| 04:13.16 | nanok | runedude: find out what is wrong, first |
| 04:13.18 | runedude | and move it to a new harddrive |
| 04:13.28 | beardy | runedude: put a cd/dvdburner in it, a tapedrive, or what you have and start saving, and for the future, make backups of the backuped backups. |
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| 04:13.46 | roler | is there a program that shows ID3 tags from MP3s in Nautilus? |
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| 04:13.56 | dos000 | nanok, did it again .. no chages ... all steps here http://pastebin.com/593868 |
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| 04:14.02 | nanok | runedude: that is easyly done. no need for mounting rw to do that. all you have to do is plug the new hdd in, boot a knoppix cd (or whatever), and cp away ;) |
| 04:14.10 | runedude | yep nanok |
| 04:14.16 | runedude | but id really like to know what went wrong |
| 04:14.24 | runedude | because a reinstall of debian would be a pain in the arse for someone like me |
| 04:14.32 | runedude | since i have alot of "settings" configured and stuff |
| 04:14.38 | runedude | so i really dont want to have to redo it all |
| 04:14.42 | nanok | runedude: i suggest you safeguard your valuable data first, and get curious later ;) |
| 04:15.01 | runedude | well under a readonly filesystem, i cant do too much harm |
| 04:15.19 | Ashex | nanok: any ideas on a solution? I've tried setting the kernel path but that doesn't solve anything |
| 04:15.20 | nanok | runedude: dont even have to reinstall. you can just cp the entire bloody thing, and make it bootable |
| 04:15.23 | nanok | ;) |
| 04:15.27 | runedude | oh |
| 04:15.29 | runedude | good idea :) |
| 04:15.32 | beardy | runedude: I agree with nanok. And if you consider your settings to be valuable, backup /etc right now. |
| 04:15.55 | nanok | runedude: and if the data is so important, use a second disk at least in raid1 (sw raid is quite good in linux, lately) ;) |
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| 04:16.06 | runedude | nah, i dont want to mess with raid |
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| 04:16.33 | runedude | its not "important" data, its just stuff like music and some of my downloads of stuff |
| 04:16.48 | runedude | and stuff thats hard to acquire again, like alot of music i bought off of itunes. anywho |
| 04:17.45 | tictac | mmm raid 5. |
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| 04:18.24 | nanok | dos000: is there something else very wrong, i wonder? what if you just resync the bloody array, and rebbot, w/o doing anything else? |
| 04:18.44 | nanok | dos000: that is, no running grub, no nothing |
| 04:19.24 | ineffable | nanok, dos000 : I was wrong earlier about this problem, but resyncing has solved a couple of similar problems for me... |
| 04:19.34 | runedude | bah, ill deal with it tommorrow :> |
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| 04:21.19 | nanok | runedude: btw, you can use sfdisk (see the dump option) , to make the cloning package complete ;). if the disks are identical that is |
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| 04:22.02 | Ashex | Yay! More problems! |
| 04:22.06 | Ashex | I figured out the solution |
| 04:22.14 | Ashex | the build link inside that directory was broken |
| 04:22.17 | Ashex | so I made a new one |
| 04:22.36 | runedude | nice. heh |
| 04:22.43 | Ashex | but now when I try to compile madwifi-ng, this happens: http://www.pastebin.com/593875 |
| 04:22.47 | runedude | nanok: yea, i will find a way somehow.. maybe just cp it all over.. |
| 04:22.48 | dos000 | nanok, i found that /etc/mdm/mdadm.conf was missing the /dev/hda1 in the /dev/md0 definition ... rebooting now |
| 04:22.49 | Ashex | wireless extensions? |
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| 04:23.51 | dos000 | nanok, no difference .. lemme try your sugestion |
| 04:23.56 | klaxian | has anyone ever used cloop and can help me? |
| 04:23.57 | nanok | dos000: that is not nromal.. and afair, mdamd uses "block magic" , no need for configs to state wich partition is what |
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| 04:24.53 | FarrisG | Man, I've had to use Fedora for a few things at work, and it amazes me the kinds of things that have been removed from redhat repos... |
| 04:24.59 | FarrisG | I mean, what the hell is wrong with cfdisk? |
| 04:25.06 | nanok | klaxian: #debian: Total of 617 nicks [2 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 615 normal] |
| 04:25.25 | nanok | klaxian: so what do you think? about the second part, ..who knows? |
| 04:25.28 | FarrisG | And the attitude of all the redhatters is just "Well, if it isn't in the repos, you don't need it"... And building shit like that is a joke |
| 04:25.32 | nanok | !tell klaxian about ask |
| 04:25.44 | klaxian | nanok: alrighty |
| 04:25.58 | klaxian | well i'm trying to use losetup to tie /dev/cloop0 to /dev/hdb1 and i get an error |
| 04:26.24 | klaxian | ioctl: LOOP_SET_FD: Bad file descriptor |
| 04:26.42 | klaxian | do i need to create_compressed_fs first or something? |
| 04:26.51 | klaxian | i want to make a read/write filesystem that is compressed |
| 04:26.57 | klaxian | am i going about it all wrong? |
| 04:27.09 | nanok | klaxian: yes. cloop is ro, afir |
| 04:27.14 | nanok | afair |
| 04:27.15 | klaxian | oh |
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| 04:27.25 | nanok | but i might be wrong |
| 04:27.32 | dos000 | nanok, this was done by the debian install btw |
| 04:27.50 | nanok | klaxian: get the cloop source. there is nice documentation with examples in it, afair. |
| 04:28.20 | nanok | dos000: yes, i got that. it has never fucked up to this day, in my experience.. |
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| 04:28.28 | klaxian | nanok: i already installed the module...i'll read the readme |
| 04:29.15 | klaxian | cloop doesn't explicitly say ro but i suppose it is |
| 04:29.30 | klaxian | in that case, is there any way to create a rw filesystem or block device that is compressed? |
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| 04:30.03 | DaveLib | hello i am running sarge on my main computer a celeron where i am now |
| 04:30.49 | DaveLib | i also have in the house a pentium 4 with windows 98 installed not my computer i have to leave windows 98 there |
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| 04:31.05 | opnsrc | what's the name of the file that lets you choose different refresh rates? |
| 04:31.18 | klaxian | also, i just put a second NIC into my computer and sometimes when I restart, eth0 and eth1 switch...any way to get them to stay put? |
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| 04:31.39 | DaveLib | i am about to do a writing revision project on that pentium revising a wordperfect file |
| 04:32.16 | klaxian | opnsrc: do you mean /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 04:32.16 | klaxian | ? |
| 04:32.26 | opnsrc | thanks |
| 04:32.32 | klaxian | no prob |
| 04:32.42 | deadcat | karsten: just got my ibook back. ready for action on sat. (= |
| 04:33.04 | DaveLib | i was thinking of putting knoppix live on the pentium converting the wordperfect files to openoffice format and working from openoffice in knoppix on the pentium |
| 04:33.36 | klaxian | does anyone know how to make sure my computer labels eth0 and eth1 consistently on restarts? |
| 04:34.01 | DaveLib | but i wont have write access to the hard drive of the pentium from knoppix live |
| 04:34.36 | DaveLib | the pentium and the celeron are both attached to a netgear router which is bringing in my cable internet |
| 04:34.48 | ineffable | DaveLib: other people here can correct me if I'm wrong, but I am fairly certain that knoppix can safely write to windows 98 partitions just fine |
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| 04:35.07 | DaveLib | so i was wondering could ... ahh ok ineffable |
| 04:35.10 | cafuego | Yes, fat32 (vfat) works fine. |
| 04:35.16 | cafuego | ntfs not so much |
| 04:35.32 | ineffable | ntfs writing is.... 'experimental' |
| 04:35.41 | ineffable | there are a few ways to do it, but all with huge USE AT YOUR OWN RISK stamps |
| 04:35.43 | DaveLib | my oriignal idea was to do nfs between knoppix and sarge |
| 04:35.54 | ineffable | but vfat, which is what win98 uses, works just fine |
| 04:36.06 | DaveLib | and have openoffice write to the celeron |
| 04:36.15 | cafuego | You just need to give vfat the right mount option to set permissions. |
| 04:36.27 | DaveLib | but maybe just do what you said ... |
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| 04:36.51 | ineffable | it's pretty easy in knoppix. all the partitions will appear on your desktop. just mount it by clicking on it. then right-click the same icon on the desktop, and uncheck "read only". |
| 04:37.18 | DaveLib | so my knoppix openoffice just stores to the vfat partition |
| 04:37.40 | DaveLib | btw the reason i picked knoppix i would really rather be in debian of course! :-) |
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| 04:37.55 | DaveLib | but i wanted a live cd |
| 04:38.10 | DaveLib | so i thought knoppix would be the closest to debian |
| 04:38.11 | punjaber | Gay Nigger From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q=%22gay+niggers%22 |
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| 04:38.40 | nanok | DaveLib: it's ok, you are forgiven |
| 04:38.42 | nanok | :P |
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| 04:38.49 | DaveLib | :-) |
| 04:39.10 | DaveLib | anyway another point in this writing project |
| 04:39.37 | DaveLib | in my sarge on the celeron i use tomboy to do my general notes on everything |
| 04:39.56 | DaveLib | i backported tomboy from testing to sarge with help from #debian |
| 04:39.59 | nanok | DaveLib: might be a bit off your topic, but have a glance at latex, while your at it |
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| 04:40.22 | DaveLib | latex as an alternative to openoffice? |
| 04:40.37 | paw | is there a separate channel for debian amd64 or is this the place? |
| 04:41.07 | DaveLib | anyway i thought for my revision writing work i would like to have tomboy work notes as a iwas working |
| 04:41.21 | nanok | latex as an alternative to any office targeted shit. ymmv, you might like the idea or just stick to WYSIWYG crap |
| 04:41.33 | DaveLib | but i thought i would like to have those integrated into my tomboy notes on the celeron |
| 04:41.39 | nanok | but it would be a shamed to not at least give it a try |
| 04:41.59 | paw | I'm trying to compile a shared library with -shared -static option and it's compalinig about /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/3.4.5/crtbeginT.o not being compiled with the -fPIC option, is there another debian package for me to install? |
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| 04:42.01 | dos000 | nanok, for some reason i am abale to modify the /dev/hdb mbr but not the /dev/hda any idea ? / is mounted on /md0 and is using /dev/hdb1 wy is /dev/hda mbr not modified *$%^#$^% |
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| 04:42.31 | DaveLib | so i was wondering could i run the tomboy client on the celeron |
| 04:42.52 | DaveLib | and have the celeron tomboy cleint talk to the x server on knoppix on the pentium |
| 04:43.00 | DaveLib | through the common router |
| 04:43.17 | DaveLib | and have tomboy windows on screen as a write at the pentium |
| 04:43.26 | klaxian | i have 2 NICs in my computer and the interfaces are named inconsistently on reboots...any way to make them consistent? |
| 04:43.28 | nanok | dos000: pfff? dont really know. does it give out an error whne writing to that mbr? |
| 04:43.43 | DaveLib | buty have all the files saving to the celeron and integrated into my other tomboy notes from there |
| 04:44.09 | dos000 | nanok, no single error .. which has me puzled ! |
| 04:44.31 | DaveLib | nanok: about latex can i export from wordperfect to latex? |
| 04:44.39 | cafuego | DaveLib: Nono, latex is for layout. If you want to do that graphically, give 'scribus' a go. |
| 04:44.57 | DaveLib | i found in the ubantu repos util to export from wordperfect to openoffice |
| 04:45.11 | cafuego | You do all yuor typing (without formatting) in whatever, then export *text*. |
| 04:45.24 | cafuego | Then import said text in scribus, lay it out, add gfx. |
| 04:45.24 | nanok | dos000: well, there is a bit of a knck to grub: grub thinks of the drive it boots off as hd0, as it boots. (it does listen to what the linux kernel says while you are installing , from linux, though) ;) |
| 04:45.37 | nanok | dos000: get the picture? ;) |
| 04:45.52 | chance2105 | I need to poke around and old Win95 box, but I don't want to grep through the filesystem *on* the actual box (it's rather slow). I would like to use my main desktop to do the job; I imagine I could use linux loop device to mount an image of the harddrive .. how do I make the initial image of the harddrive? |
| 04:45.58 | DaveLib | but i have a file already written in wordperfect from wiondows 98 and i am to revise it prepare a new version |
| 04:46.13 | Sonny | do you know how to avoid running X at startup? |
| 04:46.16 | cafuego | chance2105: 'dd' when booted from livecd |
| 04:46.17 | CompWizrd | chance2105: dd would work fine for that |
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| 04:47.06 | DaveLib | anyway the old wordperfect file is formatted as wordpoerfect |
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| 04:47.20 | cafuego | It can save to TXT though :-) |
| 04:47.29 | DaveLib | i just thought of all this becasue i would rather be working in linux than windows 98 |
| 04:47.42 | pngwen | yeah, or you could use strings to extrat the text from the file and then redo the formatting |
| 04:47.48 | ineffable | RTF is the universal format |
| 04:47.59 | DaveLib | also i want to have tomboy running on the screen |
| 04:48.04 | Stevie | define 'universal' |
| 04:48.16 | nanok | i think anyone should learn some latex basics, before ever starting to think of writing a document. it would save everyone so much trouble.. |
| 04:48.18 | bucky | one size fits all |
| 04:48.30 | ineffable | well, just about every word processing program can read and write to it |
| 04:48.39 | bucky | and generally doesn't fit any very well |
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| 04:48.58 | nanok | ineffable: BS. ASCII is the closest to universal, when it comes to text |
| 04:49.01 | SimonRaven | better than M$hit doc *shudder* |
| 04:49.05 | Stevie | bucky: ;-) |
| 04:49.09 | SimonRaven | @tell root___ -about root |
| 04:49.25 | chance2105 | cafuego, CompWizrd: is there a nice way to send the output of dd over the network to my main desktop, from the old computer? I see how to use 'dd' to write to a file .. I guess the best way would be to create an NFS mount on the desktop, and just send it that way? |
| 04:49.28 | DaveLib | ineffable: what is RTF ? |
| 04:49.39 | ineffable | nanok: yes, yes, but I'm talking about.. um, I have a brain-fart here on how to say it, but the complex formats with fonts and such |
| 04:49.41 | SimonRaven | rich text format |
| 04:49.43 | Stevie | why do irc clients even run as root? |
| 04:49.48 | dos000 | nanok, i am using one of grubs debug features to see the menu .. for some reason it never modifies the menu in the /dev/hda mbr .. but according to you it should be the other way no ? |
| 04:49.49 | nanok | chance2105: nc maybe, but it is not what you would call nice |
| 04:49.50 | cafuego | chance2105: Yes, you could listen on the receiver using 'netcat' |
| 04:49.50 | CompWizrd | chance2105: netcat :) |
| 04:49.56 | bucky | the only decent format M$ came up with |
| 04:50.00 | nanok | it is what you would call "a hack" ;) |
| 04:50.05 | cafuego | ineffable: font info has no place in a text file. that's what LAYOUT is for. |
| 04:50.18 | CompWizrd | netcat has the advantage of being bloody fast too |
| 04:50.18 | SimonRaven | bucky: .doc? it's fucking binary |
| 04:50.21 | Stevie | netcat or faucet/hose |
| 04:50.28 | bucky | SimonRaven: RTF |
| 04:50.29 | ineffable | DaveLib: what SimonRaven said, it's "rich text format". can do pretty much everything .doc or whatever does, but works with all word processing programs (or almost all) |
| 04:50.32 | cafuego | chance2105: And then spit out the 'dd' output into netcat on the sender |
| 04:50.37 | SimonRaven | at least with an sxw you can gzip -d the thing |
| 04:50.40 | SimonRaven | bucky: oh ok |
| 04:50.42 | wireddd | is there a limit to how big a file can be in an ext3 filesystem |
| 04:50.49 | Stevie | Reminds me of shfs |
| 04:50.52 | cafuego | SimonRaven: odt, thanks |
| 04:51.04 | cafuego | wireddd: Yes. |
| 04:51.04 | ineffable | cafuego: I myself use latex as much as possible, but for DaveLib's purposes, RTF is what he's looking for in my opinion |
| 04:51.07 | Stevie | chance2105: You trying to replicate shfs? :D |
| 04:51.09 | SimonRaven | cafuego: what? |
| 04:51.18 | cafuego | ineffable: RTF is not the solution to _any_ problem. |
| 04:51.22 | wireddd | cafuego, any Idea what that limit is? |
| 04:51.31 | cafuego | SimonRaven: ODT, not SXW |
| 04:51.38 | nanok | ineffable: those are not the writers problem. the writer should use latex and ascii. the reader should use xpdf or something similar |
| 04:51.41 | Stevie | cafuego: I can come up with one problem for which RTF is the solution. |
| 04:51.42 | nanok | imho |
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| 04:51.52 | SimonRaven | cafuego: what do you think i'm talking about? |
| 04:51.53 | diego | hi |
| 04:51.58 | cafuego | wireddd: 2GB with a crusty old 2.4 kernel and libc6 2.0, these days at least a few tens of GB I'd estimate. |
| 04:51.58 | DaveLib | ineffable: and what program shoukld i use to produce RTF? |
| 04:52.04 | cafuego | SimonRaven: file formats |
| 04:52.17 | chance2105 | cafuego, CompWizrd: that's just beautiful. Thanks. |
| 04:52.26 | ineffable | nanok, cafuego : okay, but you guys are being more philosophical and less practical here. ultimately, yes, latex is best. but RTF will let him do what he wants to do with no hassle |
| 04:52.45 | SimonRaven | cafuego: fine. take advantage of it being near my bed time :P |
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| 04:52.47 | Kyral | or Enriched mode... |
| 04:52.50 | ineffable | DaveLib: it works with word and openoffice easily, and I'm pretty sure word perfect as well (though it's been a long time since I used it)) |
| 04:52.53 | Kyral | oh Emacs.. |
| 04:52.54 | cafuego | !mock SimonRaven |
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| 04:52.56 | Stevie | chance2105: are you replicating shfs? |
| 04:52.57 | CompWizrd | i had to backup an old a21m laptop once, and did it from a knoppix boot cd.. for some reason samba wasn't letting me make over a 2 gig file.. but netcat worked, at 10 meg a second even |
| 04:52.59 | Kyral | s/oh/on |
| 04:53.20 | DaveLib | ineffable: ok so in my plans i could use openoffice and save as RTF |
| 04:53.22 | ineffable | cafuego: well, I was talking to both you and nanok |
| 04:53.33 | cafuego | chance2105: If you want to be really funky, you could try an NBD (network block device) thingie |
| 04:53.41 | cafuego | chance2105: I dunno how well those work, though. |
| 04:53.53 | SimonRaven | wtf not just plain text, sheesh |
| 04:54.16 | SimonRaven | "oh it's gotta have the curly quotes!!!11oneone!1" |
| 04:54.17 | Stevie | !test |
| 04:54.17 | dpkg | No, stevie, you're not online any more. |
| 04:54.19 | ineffable | DaveLib: yeah, and then you could edit it with other programs. Though plain text, as SimonRaven says, would be easiest, unless you need to keep all the formatting |
| 04:54.29 | chance2105 | Stevie: Eh, don't think so. shfs seems to use the resources of the host computer .. I'm trying to just make a snapshot picture of the host's harddrive, then use a more powerful computer to grep through it's contents |
| 04:54.32 | DaveLib | hey if wordperfect saves as RTF i could save from wordperfect that way and read it right into openoffice |
| 04:54.57 | ineffable | DaveLib: yeah, that's kind of what I was getting at. |
| 04:55.03 | CompWizrd | chance2105: a complete dd image should be mountable just the same as if it was local |
| 04:55.13 | CompWizrd | whether you dd'd /dev/?da, or /dev/?da1, etc |
| 04:55.14 | Stevie | chance2105: Well, considering that shfs is little more than dd with a little kernel magic |
| 04:55.15 | chance2105 | CompWizrd: Yeah, that's the idea |
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| 04:55.54 | DaveLib | ineffable: ok thanks and what about the other thing the sarge tomboy displayign on the knoppix moniter |
| 04:57.30 | SimonRaven | !spell moniter |
| 04:57.31 | dpkg | no binary found. |
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| 04:57.44 | SimonRaven | wtf |
| 04:58.01 | Stevie | I am now Monitering your every move, SimonRaven |
| 04:58.02 | SimonRaven | @spell moniter |
| 04:58.06 | ravenbird | possible spellings for moniter: mo niter mo-niter monitor mintier mounter minuter minter Monte monster moniker Mountie Monet Monti minister mooter Mont minder moister miter niter pointer monitors monitory Monty Monte's monitor's |
| 04:58.14 | Ashex | monitor |
| 04:58.14 | alainm | does anyone have debian running on a Shuttle XPC? |
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| 04:58.21 | Stevie | oh, of course, mintier |
| 04:58.31 | lock_pad | hello is there a way to change my bootsplash image ... |
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| 04:58.36 | SimonRaven | *i* know, but it was for DaveLib's benefit |
| 04:58.52 | Ashex | when I try to compile madwifi-ng, this happens: http://www.pastebin.com/593875 |
| 04:59.04 | Ashex | where do I enable said wireless extensions? |
| 04:59.06 | SimonRaven | lock_pad: yes |
| 04:59.10 | Stevie | hey guys |
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| 04:59.16 | Stevie | when is debian gonna be ported to this? http://www.cs.pdx.edu/~harry/Relay/index.html |
| 04:59.23 | litage | which ports need to be opened in a firewall to be able to grab stuff from a cvs server? |
| 04:59.35 | Stevie | well |
| 04:59.40 | lock_pad | Simon, do u know a place where i can start? |
| 04:59.42 | nanok | ineffable: the point was that it might pay off in the long run if the man realised he doesnt really want what he thinks he wants. so it is practicla, as practical as it gets |
| 04:59.42 | Stevie | the first step is to convert to svn |
| 04:59.43 | ineffable | DaveLib: regretfully, I have little experience with tomboy, so I'll have to bow out there |
| 04:59.53 | SimonRaven | lock_pad: the READMEs |
| 05:00.09 | SimonRaven | litage: getent services cvs |
| 05:00.10 | Stevie | litage: the first step would be to convert to svn and open 80 |
| 05:00.10 | nanok | the problam with latex is that you actually have to use it, to realise how bloody practical the damn thing is ;) |
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| 05:00.16 | diego | hey there |
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| 05:00.29 | Ashex | any ideas? |
| 05:00.29 | diego | can someone tell me how to shape the bandwidth |
| 05:00.31 | lock_pad | what do i need to install ... |
| 05:00.33 | diego | and limit upstream |
| 05:00.39 | ineffable | nanok: you're right. but to learn latex from the ground up, you need to set aside a certain amount of time and concentration, where right now he may just want to get his writing finished. |
| 05:01.02 | nanok | diego: lartc, or apt-get install wondershaper, the two extremes :) |
| 05:01.07 | slocate | hi, I had been using enlightenment and then fluxbox for a while i wonder what other wms are yuo guys using... |
| 05:01.23 | ineffable | nanok: it's easy once you learn it, but if it's totally unfamiliar takes some acclimating |
| 05:01.25 | diego | nanok: is it easy to config that hehe |
| 05:01.28 | diego | ? |
| 05:01.31 | Stevie | SimonRaven: wow. I never knew getent existed |
| 05:01.32 | DaveLib | i did read a tex manual some years ago |
| 05:01.56 | DaveLib | yes and did some writing too |
| 05:02.04 | litage | SimonRaven: getent returns nothing, but ``grep cvs /etc/services'' return 2401 |
| 05:02.05 | nanok | ineffable: that is the point. i have been putting "learning" latex aside for about two years i thing. when i finally did it, i felt like kicking myself. |
| 05:02.43 | ineffable | nanok: haha, can't argue there. but it can't hurt to give a quick-and-easy answer to go along with the latex suggestion |
| 05:02.46 | nanok | ineffable: my girlfriend uses it, it took about five minutes to explain what she needs to do. she wont go back to word crap now, because it is so much less trouble |
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| 05:02.49 | SimonRaven | litage: your /etc/services is incomplete (debian ships a trimmed down version) |
| 05:02.58 | slocate | what windows manager you guys recommend i've been using fluxbox for years |
| 05:03.04 | diego | I have wondershaper now ... can you tell me how to do that is its easy |
| 05:03.10 | diego | I dont have much time now |
| 05:03.17 | diego | I promess I will read the docs later :) |
| 05:03.18 | litage | SimonRaven: where can i get a "complete" /etc/services? |
| 05:03.19 | nanok | slocate: than use fluxbox.. |
| 05:03.21 | DaveLib | what does latex extend beyond tex? |
| 05:03.38 | Stevie | two letters (la) |
| 05:03.48 | DaveLib | slocate: i like fvwm |
| 05:03.57 | SimonRaven | litage: and partly my mistake, it's cvspserver. www.iana.org |
| 05:03.58 | ineffable | nanok: but I cede your point. I think my instinct here comes for working for my university's IT dept, where people get pissed at me if I suggest they try or learn something or expend any effort... so I have to bury that instinct when helping people with linux problems, and sometimes I fail to do so ;-) |
| 05:03.59 | DaveLib | stevie: thanks |
| 05:04.00 | Stevie | slocate: xpde! |
| 05:04.02 | nanok | Stevie: actually, that is behind tex, to be precise |
| 05:04.03 | nanok | :) |
| 05:04.17 | Stevie | nanok: Not if you have RTL reading order |
| 05:04.17 | slocate | DaveLib yeah ok |
| 05:04.35 | nanok | Stevie: alkaeda? :P |
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| 05:04.42 | SimonRaven | here we go with the idiot sending HTTP commands to the MTA again .... |
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| 05:05.11 | Stevie | SimonRaven: Oh, I know what that's for |
| 05:05.25 | nanok | DaveLib: it is a set of macros on top of tex. it uses the power of tex, and makes your life as easy as it can possibly imagine. that is the general idea |
| 05:05.35 | Stevie | SimonRaven: http://www.thedailywtf.com/forums/63360/ShowPost.aspx |
| 05:05.52 | slocate | Stevie no thank you for that i use windows and that's it |
| 05:06.10 | DaveLib | i seem to recall latex was a math oriented wriitng extension of text |
| 05:06.14 | Stevie | By the Power of La-Tex, I am He-Man! |
| 05:06.16 | ineffable | DaveLib: latex is the best way I know of to do publishing. all you gotta do is learn the syntax for it and download a couple of programs that interpret it |
| 05:06.18 | DaveLib | s/text/tex/ |
| 05:06.26 | Stevie | I have the poweeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrr! |
| 05:06.30 | Ashex | so nobody has a clue about wireless extensions when compiling madwifi? |
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| 05:06.34 | ineffable | DaveLib: it's associate with mat hso much because it has GREAT use in writing math formulas |
| 05:06.57 | ineffable | DaveLib: but that's not all it can do, just one very useful application |
| 05:07.22 | Stevie | ineffable: Will it save me up to 15% or more on my car insurance? |
| 05:07.29 | DaveLib | so i guess if i was going to do it in latex i would just be using emacs or soething instead of openoffice? |
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| 05:07.48 | ineffable | Stevie: Only if you run it as root |
| 05:07.48 | nanok | DaveLib: it is not an extension, really, you can think of it more of like a wrapper. tex itself is considered to be perfect, actually |
| 05:07.58 | Stevie | ineffable: cool. |
| 05:08.11 | Stevie | Speaking of that, has anyone here ever considered just what "up to 15% or more" means? |
| 05:08.36 | Stevie | Basically, Geico is saying that they will either save you less than 15%, exactly 15%, or more than 15% |
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| 05:08.47 | kreg_work | in /etc/passwd, if i wanted to keep a bunch of user accounts, but delete all of their /home/<username> directories, is there a "nothing" choice i can put in for their home dir entry in the passwd file? |
| 05:08.52 | datn | hello |
| 05:08.58 | bucky | DaveLib: http://libwpd.sourceforge.net/download.html |
| 05:08.59 | datn | how are you all feelign today |
| 05:09.00 | nanok | Stevie: if you think about that, than you got it all wrong (aka "you are not the client we intend to fool..uhh, serve, sir" |
| 05:09.11 | ineffable | DaveLib: you can write latex in any text editor you want. tehn all you have to do is run the text file through any number of latex programs, and you can get output in a number of formats, including PDF |
| 05:09.13 | SimonRaven | Stevie: and how is this relevant? |
| 05:09.39 | Stevie | It's not relevant. |
| 05:09.58 | Stevie | My medications' long since worn off and my brain is following random trails of thoughts. |
| 05:10.04 | SimonRaven | Stevie: i mean dumbasses sending http on smtp |
| 05:10.17 | nanok | SimonRaven: Stevie is NOT trying to make a point. or trying NOT to make a point... that about sums up his point, i guess.. oh, wait |
| 05:10.18 | Stevie | oh, sorry |
| 05:10.31 | Stevie | that link is to sending smtp on http |
| 05:10.56 | Ashex | where is /usr/src/linux supposed to point? |
| 05:11.00 | SimonRaven | input="POST / HTTP/1.0\r\nVia: 1.0 DNS\r\nHost: smtp.nuit.ca:25\r\nContent-Length: 1400\r\nContent-Type: text/plain\r\nConnection: Keep-Alive\r\n\r\nRSET\r\nHELO nuis.ac.jp\r" # oh and mixing in some smtp in there too. talk about confused |
| 05:11.01 | Ashex | all my symbolic links are broken |
| 05:11.15 | SimonRaven | Ashex: nowhere |
| 05:11.31 | Stevie | SimonRaven: haha |
| 05:11.42 | Ashex | thanks guys, you're just bunches of help |
| 05:11.50 | nanok | well. till next time. been a pleisure wasting the night here.. |
| 05:11.50 | Ashex | I can just see myself passing my tech class |
| 05:11.53 | nanok | :P |
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| 05:12.02 | SimonRaven | seriously. don't make the symlink, it breaks things |
| 05:12.03 | nanok | bye |
| 05:12.25 | Ashex | I need to edit a config file and I have no idea where it's located |
| 05:12.41 | Ashex | and I can't search for it because it's name is .config, very generic filename |
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| 05:12.44 | Stevie | Ashex: So you're having an out-of-body experience? |
| 05:13.02 | Stevie | find / -name '.config' |
| 05:13.34 | Stevie | .config is not all that generic -- that's the name of the config for building the kernel |
| 05:13.52 | litage | if a repo can be browsed at http://cvs.berlios.de/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/ser/ , is the url in this command correct?: cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.berlios.de:80/cvsroot/ser co sip_router |
| 05:13.56 | ineffable | nanok, could you possibly show me where you put your iptables init script? I know I'm doing mine in a bad and roundabout way... |
| 05:14.05 | Stevie | litage: No. |
| 05:14.21 | litage | Stevie: what would the correct url be for the cvs command? |
| 05:14.31 | Stevie | That would depend on where the repo really is |
| 05:14.40 | litage | Stevie: how can i determine that? |
| 05:14.45 | Stevie | nfi |
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| 05:14.56 | ineffable | d'oh, he left while my attention was diverted |
| 05:14.56 | litage | =/ |
| 05:15.08 | DaveLib | stepping away from computer |
| 05:15.24 | ineffable | hrm. anybody else want to give me ah and with that, maybe? |
| 05:15.30 | Stevie | you should enlighten the maintainer of sip_router as to the virtues of svn :) |
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| 05:15.50 | Stevie | what are you working on? |
| 05:15.56 | litage | is there a 'verbose' option for the cvs command to show you what it's doing? i haven't found one in the manpage |
| 05:15.58 | Stevie | I can't guarantee any useful results |
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| 05:16.23 | Supaplex | YMMV |
| 05:16.38 | Stevie | ineffable? |
| 05:16.55 | ineffable | Stevie: oh, I didn't realize you were talking to me.. one sec, I'll write up the situation |
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| 05:17.00 | Stevie | sorry |
| 05:18.00 | Stevie | I just hope this takes less time than the fellow I helped last Friday |
| 05:18.12 | morchid | hey what's up gys |
| 05:18.21 | Ashex | CRAP |
| 05:18.23 | Stevie | I spent about 3 hours with him to finally work out: his ISP's modem isn't sending ICMP must-fragment messages |
| 05:18.28 | Ashex | I somehow knew this would happen |
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| 05:18.39 | Stevie | ahsex: and you didn't do anything to prevent it? |
| 05:18.41 | Ashex | I recompiled the kernel, but I'm missing a few things |
| 05:18.42 | Stevie | err |
| 05:18.45 | Stevie | ashex |
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| 05:19.10 | Stevie | Yeah, it happens. |
| 05:19.12 | ineffable | basically, I've got a sarge test httpd+email server that I'm using at work to edit some "request tracker" software on. the networking guys don't mind me having an httpd on the network so long as I restrict access to it to only certain IP's. so I used iptables to create rules to limit access to port 80 and also to the vnc server ports. I just want the iptables rules to load on startup. |
| 05:19.30 | Stevie | oh |
| 05:19.30 | litage | Stevie: i just found a page for the project saying that this command will log you in to the cvs server: cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.ser.berlios.de:/cvsroot/ser login |
| 05:19.32 | litage | Stevie: however, when i run that command and hit enter for the password, cvs just sits there doing nothing. any suggestions? |
| 05:19.40 | ineffable | the way I'm doing it now I know is not the best way to do it. I know there's a debian-specific way, but the only stuff I can find is outdated |
| 05:20.09 | Stevie | ineffable: I did that stuff by putting scripts in /etc/networking/if-up.d |
| 05:20.28 | Stevie | I have no idea if that's the "proper" place to put those things; I do, however, know that it works |
| 05:21.11 | ineffable | Stevie: that's different from how I'm doing it. did you do this with iptables-restore? |
| 05:22.35 | Ashex | Ah bitch, that's why it's saying that |
| 05:22.45 | Ashex | I disabled all PCMCIA detection and modules |
| 05:22.50 | Ashex | but madwifi wants it |
| 05:22.51 | Stevie | ineffable: no, just threw together some scripts |
| 05:23.18 | Ashex | I'm just going to reboot into my knoppix kernel |
| 05:23.20 | Ashex | make things easier |
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| 05:23.58 | ineffable | hrm |
| 05:24.00 | Stevie | ineffable: they're shell scripts written in Perl, because I have yet to get the hang of conditional/testing logic in bash :) |
| 05:24.06 | Stevie | so they're like |
| 05:24.09 | Stevie | #!/usr/bin/perl |
| 05:24.44 | Stevie | if ($ENV{IFACE} eq 'eth0') { system<<'END'; } |
| 05:24.49 | Stevie | iptables yadda yadda yada... |
| 05:25.11 | cire | this is weird: I installed kernel-image-2.6.15-1-686, and it works. Now I installed kernel-source 2.6.15 and tried to compile with default options. (which are the ones from /boot/config-2.6.15-1-686 !!), but I can't boot because of a kernel panic (unable to mount root fs). Why could this be?? |
| 05:25.41 | Stevie | cire: does kernel-source-2.6.15 include the Debian patches? |
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| 05:25.50 | cire | Stevie: yes |
| 05:25.59 | Stevie | What exactly is the failure? |
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| 05:26.09 | Stevie | the one you get *before* 'we can't mount the root fs' |
| 05:26.11 | ineffable | Stevie: Oh. It's much easier to use "iptables-save > somefile" and then in your init script do "cat somefile|iptables-restore" |
| 05:26.20 | warreng | how do you remove a packages config files? i thought it was "apt-get purge <package>" but that doesn't work... and "apt-get remove <package>" doesn't delete 'em either |
| 05:26.27 | ineffable | the problem I'm having is where to put my script such that it runs this as soon as possible |
| 05:26.37 | Stevie | ineffable: Well... my situation is more complicated |
| 05:26.39 | Acid`X | cire: --initrd |
| 05:26.43 | Stevie | it sets up some wacky routing |
| 05:26.44 | ineffable | since my knowledge of the init process is still very very limited |
| 05:27.20 | Stevie | Wish I knew the answer |
| 05:27.23 | ineffable | I tried plopping it all into init.d and my runlevel, but that didn't work |
| 05:27.36 | Stevie | Would probably cut down on the WTFery in my own config |
| 05:27.36 | ineffable | I guess I need to sit down and do some serious reading on all of that stuff |
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| 05:27.55 | ineffable | heheh, that's what I'm trying to do as well |
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| 05:28.07 | Stevie | just don't set default runlevel to 6 :) |
| 05:28.08 | cire | Acid`X: there is no initrd... |
| 05:28.10 | ineffable | since the networking guys, they don't like the WTFery |
| 05:28.18 | romulo | anyone knows thelink to i edit preferences to not receive list mail (instead read them on the site) |
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| 05:28.36 | ineffable | oh, I know that much, and enough to omit things from runlevels.. I just don't know how to manually *add* new scripts to them properly |
| 05:28.44 | Acid`X | cire: that's the error, you compiled without --initrd and debian uses it by default |
| 05:28.45 | cire | Acid`X: you're right... |
| 05:28.51 | Stevie | ineffable: update-rc.d |
| 05:29.18 | Acid`X | cire: get initramfs-tools and recompile with --initrd |
| 05:29.55 | cire | Acid`X: err, I just do make menuconfig, change some options, and afterwards use make-kpkg kernel_image... |
| 05:30.00 | cire | (this worked since now) |
| 05:31.32 | Acid`X | cire: weird, i had the same problem and was because of initrd, debians config uses it as far as i know |
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| 05:32.10 | cire | Acid`X: Is there a kernel option to use initrd? |
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| 05:32.34 | Acid`X | cire: i think so, let me show you a link |
| 05:32.54 | cire | okay |
| 05:33.04 | Acid`X | cire: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-kernel.en.html |
| 05:33.59 | ineffable | Stevie: gah, okay, that changes everything. i've got such random holes in what I know... anyway, your script is more complicated than just a set of rules in iptables? |
| 05:34.11 | ineffable | Stevie: how come? |
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| 05:35.23 | cire | Acid`x: Thanks you |
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| 05:36.15 | Acid`X | cire: np =) |
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| 05:36.49 | Nopalin | which one is better, wine or xwine? |
| 05:37.42 | Acid`X | !better |
| 05:37.42 | dpkg | better is probably a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 05:38.19 | Nopalin | dpkg: in others words that is? |
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| 05:39.08 | warreng | so i'm trying to install the lighttpd backport.... and it's saying it has a dependency on lsb-base.... which seems like a scary thing |
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| 05:40.19 | klaxian | i am trying to map my ethernet interfaces with ifrename, but once I do, i can't access the internet anymore |
| 05:40.24 | klaxian | has anyone had a problem like that? |
| 05:40.57 | klaxian | also, my local interface "lan" won't even take its static IP that I configured |
| 05:41.09 | klaxian | i get a 169. IP that just means it isnt' working |
| 05:41.11 | cire | Acid`X: The doc says: "Do not use --initrd if initrd is not used." What does "if it's not used" mean?? |
| 05:41.57 | Ashex | what package do I need to use the deb command? |
| 05:42.05 | xulf | anyone have a rfid reader working with linux? |
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| 05:46.08 | Sonny | the Apache Group is "www-data" ? |
| 05:46.46 | gnufan | Sonny: In Debian by default yes |
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| 05:47.23 | gnufan | Ashex: deb command? What are you trying to do? |
| 05:47.36 | Sonny | So if I want to install Joomla or Mambo do I have to add my user to www-data? |
| 05:48.14 | Ashex | install madwifi-ng |
| 05:48.25 | gnufan | Sonny: Don't think so... |
| 05:48.41 | Ashex | I was looking through the madwifi articles and it mentioned the debian way to install it: http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian#MadWifingEXPERIMENTAL |
| 05:48.54 | Ashex | I can get it to compile using 'make' |
| 05:49.14 | Ashex | I get this error when trying to use make : http://www.pastebin.com/593875 |
| 05:49.34 | cire | I have the "initial ramdisk support" enabled in kernel options, but after make-kpkg'ing and dpkg'ing it, there is no initrd file in /boot. |
| 05:51.38 | gnufan | Ashex: that isn't a deb command, that is instructions on what to add to /etc/apt/sources.list so that the next set of commands work. or did I miss something? |
| 05:52.48 | Ashex | it says to run this 'deb http://debian.tu-bs.de/project/kanotix/experimental/ experimental non-free' so I assumed that I use the deb command in there |
| 05:53.27 | gnufan | Ashex: no it says add that to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:53.47 | Ashex | >.< |
| 05:53.51 | Ashex | well I'm stupid |
| 05:53.54 | gnufan | Ashex: that is how you add extra sources of packages to Debian... |
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| 05:54.16 | Ashex | yeah, I'm starting to not think straight |
| 05:54.25 | Ashex | impending deadline for this project and everything |
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| 05:54.52 | gnufan | Ashex: bad visual cues, using the same layout for commands, and file contents, but hey they aren't a published book ;) |
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| 05:56.16 | gnufan | Ashex: if you are using Sarge, the backports.org comments look interesting.... that is where I'd go, latest stable release is there, sounds like good stuff to me. |
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| 05:57.25 | Ashex | I'm using the auditor remaster of knoppix |
| 05:57.36 | Ashex | I'm thinking of starting all over and installing debian itself |
| 05:57.40 | gnufan | Ashex: the lack of wireless extensions may require a new kernel.... |
| 05:57.47 | lightcap | if I don't see a swap partitions in df's output how do I have swap? free shows 1Gb of swap... |
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| 05:58.13 | gnufan | Ashex: not really the right place for Knoppix enquiries here. |
| 05:58.14 | Ashex | gnufan: I solved that, I edited .conf to add that, but I left out another module too |
| 05:58.33 | Ashex | gnufan: I'm aware, the problems I'm having aren't knoppix specific |
| 05:58.46 | Ashex | at least I hope they aren't |
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| 06:01.28 | Ashex | bleh, I'm putting another hd in and putting debian on it |
| 06:01.34 | Ashex | I'm not going to sleep until I have madwifi working |
| 06:02.08 | gnufan | Ashex: I suspect the Debian instructions they give work in Debian ;) Wireless extensions seem to be enabled in stock Debian kernels. So whilst I agree the problems are generic Linux ones, they are likely better in a linux channel, or #knoppix. Sometimes sleep is the better option ;) But hey what do I know it is 6AM here. |
| 06:02.28 | liable | Ashex: theres a #madwifi channel |
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| 06:03.27 | Ashex | #madwifi is dead and so is #knoppix |
| 06:03.56 | liable | wait then i guess, or reread there docs, ath the madwifi home page |
| 06:03.58 | Ashex | and I need to have everything working soon and I can't afford to sleep :P |
| 06:04.09 | gnufan | Ashex: What are you trying to do (in a general sense) is it just support for a 802.11g card? |
| 06:04.13 | Ashex | madwifi doesn't mention anything about the problems I've been having |
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| 06:04.44 | Ashex | compile the driver for an atheros chipset, install kisemt/aircrack-ng and crack a wireless network |
| 06:04.51 | Ashex | s/install/compile |
| 06:05.06 | klaxian | ok i figured out the first network problem...the package zeroconf messes a lot of things up with ifup and ifrename |
| 06:05.16 | liable | well, why the hell do you think we are going to help you crack someones network? |
| 06:05.25 | klaxian | anyway, not if i have both interfaces up at the same time (lan and wan) the internet doesn't work |
| 06:05.37 | klaxian | i'm guessing it's not using the right default gateway or something? |
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| 06:05.42 | klaxian | when i take down the lan it works fine |
| 06:05.45 | klaxian | any ideas? |
| 06:05.55 | Ashex | liable: it's for a project, completely legal and for educational purposes |
| 06:06.04 | liable | sounds like a routing problem |
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| 06:06.14 | klaxian | one or the other works fine (lan or wan) but not both up at the same time |
| 06:06.28 | Peizhao | hi, if I have a linux CF disk with size 128MB, and I would like to expand its size to big, can I do it? |
| 06:06.33 | klaxian | liable: any idea how to fix it? |
| 06:06.33 | Ashex | and why the hell would I want to steal someone elses connection? I have an 8mbps connection I pay for |
| 06:06.39 | liable | klaxian: man route, theres examples for adding a network on another lan |
| 06:06.47 | xoz | klaxian: route problem. which card is the gateway? |
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| 06:07.22 | klaxian | xoz: well i used ifrename to label cards "lan" and "wan" |
| 06:07.37 | klaxian | "wan" should be the default and lan should just handle 192.168.1.0 connections |
| 06:07.49 | liable | man route |
| 06:08.18 | klaxian | i did but i want something permanent |
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| 06:08.39 | xoz | klaxian: install shorewall to help you setup routing or NAT |
| 06:08.40 | klaxian | way back in my redhat days, i could specify a default gateway, but i don't see anything like that in debian |
| 06:08.46 | liable | so put it in interfaces file |
| 06:09.01 | Ashex | where can I grab a howto for installing debian? the debian docs on the site don't appear to contain one ??? |
| 06:09.21 | Ashex | nevermind, I found it |
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| 06:09.28 | klaxian | liable: both gateways are in my interfaces file...should i remove the one for 192.168.1.1? |
| 06:09.31 | xoz | klaxian: man interfaces |
| 06:09.34 | liable | klaxian: man interfaces, zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
| 06:09.52 | EruditeHermit | hi, can anyone help me to get suspend2 working? It sets the resume partition to 3:6 which is incorrect and the kernel panics |
| 06:09.54 | gnufan | Ashex: Troppix liveCD claims to have aircrack and Atheros drivers.... Can't find a copy currently, but that might be an approach. |
| 06:10.02 | liable | klaxian: you dont want the network one to have a gateway address |
| 06:10.11 | klaxian | liable: ah, i see... |
| 06:10.24 | klaxian | by the way, i always read the man pages before coming here ;) |
| 06:10.36 | xoz | EruditeHermit: the maintainer stops maintaining it. get the latest patch from his site |
| 06:11.04 | klaxian | liable: much better, thank you very much |
| 06:11.15 | liable | EruditeHermit: what do you mean by "it" sets the suspend partition? |
| 06:11.22 | liable | klaxian: yw |
| 06:11.44 | klaxian | next question...are there any read/write compressed file systems or block devices for linux? |
| 06:11.51 | klaxian | i've read about a lot of ro ones |
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| 06:11.54 | klaxian | but no rw |
| 06:12.05 | xoz | klaxian: having both gateways would make your pockets ping-pong internally :) |
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| 06:12.23 | klaxian | xoz: well i was gettin a lot of ping-pongin ;) |
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| 06:14.02 | klaxian | so i guess there are no rw compressed filesystems, huh? |
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| 06:14.10 | Ashex | gnufan: one of the requirements for the project is to have linux installed to the computer itself, and installing a live cd always causes problems for me |
| 06:14.20 | lightcap | what's the best way to increase the size of my /tmp tmpfs? it's not in /etc/fstab...do I have to edit /etc/init.d/mountvirtfs? |
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| 06:14.49 | matthew_i | anyone have any idea why there is a red LED in the headphone jack of my new laptop? |
| 06:15.55 | Ashex | well tha's a first |
| 06:16.11 | matthew_i | xoz: find anything? |
| 06:16.25 | xoz | matthew_i: factory defecct |
| 06:16.48 | matthew_i | the LED appears to be shining out of the headphone jack, almost like it is an optical link, but it is just a regular 1/8" headphone jack |
| 06:17.11 | xoz | matthew_i: wireless headphone? |
| 06:17.26 | lightcap | nevermind, I found it.../etc/default/tmpfs |
| 06:17.32 | matthew_i | xoz: no, not that I know of |
| 06:17.49 | matthew_i | xoz: it is just a red LED light shining out of the headphone jack |
| 06:17.58 | xoz | matthew_i: why not read the specs of your computer to stop guessing? |
| 06:18.11 | matthew_i | xoz: there was nothing in there, but I will double check |
| 06:18.21 | xoz | matthew_i: google |
| 06:18.27 | matthew_i | xoz: did that first |
| 06:18.41 | matthew_i | thought I would poke around here and see if anyone had seen anything like it |
| 06:18.57 | xoz | matthew_i: then, we are not as good as google in searching for that info |
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| 06:19.26 | xoz | matthew_i: unless your comp is a typical computer |
| 06:19.30 | matthew_i | hah, it looks like t is a SPDIF output jack |
| 06:19.38 | matthew_i | xoz: asus Z92Km |
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| 06:19.59 | matthew_i | xoz: gues I didn't read the manual right after all, thanks xoz |
| 06:20.18 | jm_ | not sure why SPDIF would need a LED in it |
| 06:20.29 | Azar | what is EFI? |
| 06:20.37 | Azar | ah ok I found it |
| 06:20.41 | matthew_i | jm_: not sure it is an led |
| 06:20.41 | liable | electronic fuel injection? |
| 06:21.06 | Azar | Extensible Firmware Interface some replacement for BIOS |
| 06:21.08 | matthew_i | jm_: it says select models have a combo headphone and spidif jack |
| 06:21.20 | jm_ | matthew_i: yeah, they're very often multi-purpose |
| 06:21.37 | Azar | no EFI support for Macsters |
| 06:21.40 | matthew_i | jm_: desktop has dedicated spdif port and it is square |
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| 06:22.42 | Azar | I know why I love AMD |
| 06:22.45 | xoz | matthew_i: irDA |
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| 06:23.09 | matthew_i | xoz: nope, that is a different port, and it is infrared so you can't see it :) |
| 06:23.17 | Sonny | is there a channel about linux and laptops? |
| 06:23.23 | Azar | Intel Macsters could only hope to dual boot with Linux, no Win for them |
| 06:23.47 | matthew_i | Sonny: maybe, what's your issue? |
| 06:23.50 | xoz | matthew_i: ah, with spdif |
| 06:23.55 | matthew_i | xoz: eh? |
| 06:24.15 | xoz | matthew_i: in the spec, it says audio out with spdif |
| 06:24.17 | Sonny | matthew_i: My toshiba laptop A75-S229 does not reboot |
| 06:24.22 | litage | if the libmysqlclient10 and libmysqlclient12 and libmysqlclient14 packges are installed, and some compile instructions says it requires "libmysqlclient-dev", should i install 10-dev, 12-dev or 14-dev? |
| 06:24.34 | matthew_i | xoz: yeah that's what it says in the manual |
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| 06:24.43 | matthew_i | Sonny: what do you mean? give us some more info |
| 06:25.25 | jm_ | litage: go with -14 first |
| 06:25.29 | litage | Sonny: do you have the acpi module loaded? |
| 06:25.40 | litage | jm_: thanks |
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| 06:25.55 | Sonny | matthew_i: It closes all the daemons, etc... but after the "Rebooting " message it just freezes, I have to turn it off and turn on again |
| 06:26.08 | Sonny | litage: yep |
| 06:26.12 | matthew_i | Sonny: ahh ok, which kernel? |
| 06:26.18 | Sonny | 2.6.12 |
| 06:26.23 | xoz | Sonny: you need acpi |
| 06:26.27 | matthew_i | Sonny: my desktop system might do that too |
| 06:27.11 | xoz | Sonny: does it shutdown without poweroff> |
| 06:27.11 | matthew_i | Sonny: make sure you have the latest bios, also I think there is a toshiba specific laptop kernel module, although I don't know if it would help with your issue |
| 06:27.22 | Azar | anyone interested in "Linux Audio Compairson" article? |
| 06:27.31 | matthew_i | Azar: sure |
| 06:27.43 | Azar | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=416&num=1 |
| 06:28.23 | litage | Sonny: hrmm. maybe try loading apic? |
| 06:28.34 | Sonny | litage: what is it? |
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| 06:28.43 | litage | Sonny: apic is similar to acpi |
| 06:28.59 | Sonny | litage: the bios of my laptop supports acpi |
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| 06:29.16 | liable | Sonny: how old is it? |
| 06:29.25 | Sonny | liable: 1 year |
| 06:29.37 | liable | Sonny: install acpid and see what happens |
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| 06:30.05 | Sonny | liable: ok |
| 06:30.10 | attila | hello |
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| 06:31.05 | liable | !hi attila |
| 06:31.10 | attila | hi? |
| 06:31.19 | liable | yes we can see you. |
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| 06:31.47 | attila | do you know any good trigger on this channel? |
| 06:32.00 | liable | for what? |
| 06:32.08 | attila | except dpkg(a bot?) |
| 06:32.16 | attila | just for fun |
| 06:32.22 | [ill]will | how do you stop the motd from changing back to defualt |
| 06:32.31 | attila | ^O^ |
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| 06:32.37 | xoz | attila: #debian-bot |
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| 06:32.43 | liable | s |
| 06:32.50 | Supaplex | with an s! |
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| 06:33.04 | attila | aww |
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| 06:33.35 | gnufan | !tell attila about bots |
| 06:33.59 | attila | hahaha |
| 06:34.05 | klaxian | ok more network trouble...someone a route got added to my route table that's preventing me from getting to 192.168.1.1 |
| 06:34.09 | klaxian | only |
| 06:34.11 | klaxian | any ideas? |
| 06:34.16 | attila | "all your data is belong to us" -- google |
| 06:34.26 | Supaplex | !any ideas |
| 06:34.26 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of rutabagas, a little K-Y jelly, and a dozen rabid hamsters. And keep the cops off my back for the next few minutes! |
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| 06:34.31 | elPepo | hi friends |
| 06:34.40 | xoz | klaxian: man route |
| 06:34.46 | attila | hi friendly friends |
| 06:34.57 | elPepo | please, How do I use PXE to install Debian in some clients using the CD in my server? (without internet) |
| 06:34.58 | xoz | klaxian: use route add/del |
| 06:35.06 | gnufan | klaxian: delete the offending route? |
| 06:35.12 | attila | !any idea |
| 06:35.13 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of condoms, a little WD-40, and a dozen three-legged bunnies. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few hours! |
| 06:35.17 | klaxian | xoz: yes yes...i did that and tried to remove it, but when i do, i get an error |
| 06:35.25 | attila | !BS |
| 06:35.25 | dpkg | somebody said bs was Bullshit. Bahamas, or an annoying pain in the ass, so be smart: /ignore bs |
| 06:35.38 | attila | :O amazing dpkg |
| 06:35.39 | xoz | klaxian: as root and make sure you use the correct syntax |
| 06:35.41 | klaxian | gnufan: tried that but i get "SIOCDELERT: Invalid argument" |
| 06:35.54 | klaxian | xoz: i am root and using correct syntax |
| 06:35.55 | attila | open-eye |
| 06:36.13 | xoz | klaxian: what exact command? |
| 06:36.14 | klaxian | xoz: it looks like a kernel error to me |
| 06:36.15 | gnufan | klaxian: show us the relevant route table entry... |
| 06:36.31 | klaxian | ok let me switch to that computer so i can paste... |
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| 06:37.23 | klaxian | ok i'm back |
| 06:37.28 | widde | hi |
| 06:37.34 | klaxian | 192.168.1.1 - 255.255.255.255 !H 0 - 0 - |
| 06:37.51 | attila | and? |
| 06:37.59 | klaxian | gnufan: does that help? |
| 06:38.11 | klaxian | ping 192.168.1.1 |
| 06:38.11 | klaxian | connect: Network is unreachable |
| 06:38.19 | klaxian | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:38.19 | klaxian | PING 192.168.1.100 (192.168.1.100) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 06:38.19 | klaxian | 64 bytes from 192.168.1.100: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=3.72 ms |
| 06:38.24 | klaxian | hope that wasn't too much pasting |
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| 06:39.00 | xoz | klaxian: why !H? |
| 06:39.09 | Supaplex | !smite klaxian with !paste |
| 06:39.09 | liable | how did you end up with that? |
| 06:39.13 | klaxian | xoz: no idea...whats it mean? |
| 06:39.22 | liable | man route ffs |
| 06:39.24 | klaxian | no idea...it just appeared...it was working normally |
| 06:39.28 | attila | .100 should be HG |
| 06:39.43 | xoz | klaxian: clear your route table and restart networking |
| 06:39.57 | xoz | klaxian: and don't run any route daemon |
| 06:40.05 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 06:40.05 | dpkg | well, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 06:40.12 | klaxian | xoz: how do i clear the table? |
| 06:40.14 | gnufan | klaxian: route del 192.168.1.1 reject |
| 06:40.29 | gnufan | klaxian: maybe? |
| 06:40.40 | klaxian | gnufan: that removed that route |
| 06:40.48 | klaxian | gnufan: works again |
| 06:41.02 | klaxian | gnufan: i wonder how that got there though...i was working with 192.168.1.1 normally and then bam |
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| 06:41.33 | sussudio | -|- Massive Attack - Angel ( 36.84MB 812kbit flac 06:20 ) -|- |
| 06:41.52 | gnufan | klaxian: hmm seems you have to have "reject" on the end to clarify which 192.168.1.1 route you want to delete, call it a usuability feature ;) |
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| 06:42.12 | sussudio | whoops. |
| 06:42.43 | klaxian | gnufan: of course :-P |
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| 06:42.55 | klaxian | gnufan: but do u know how that bad route got there? i don't want it to happen again |
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| 06:43.18 | attila | well, a random question, could we cheat someone to get his/her network config by phishing attack and hack he/her? |
| 06:43.21 | gnufan | I'm with xoz are you running a routing daemon of some sort ? |
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| 06:43.37 | elPepo | please, How do I use PXE to install Debian in some clients using the CD in my server? (without internet) |
| 06:44.13 | klaxian | gnufan: no routing daemon that i know of....would portsentry do that perhaps? |
| 06:44.19 | klaxian | gnufan: let me check logs... |
| 06:44.35 | gnufan | attila: only against Taiwanese versions of Debian ;) |
| 06:44.39 | liable | elPepo: if someone here knew, i am sure they would try and help. ask again in a while. |
| 06:44.39 | xoz | elPepo: http://www.kegel.com/linux/pxe.html |
| 06:46.53 | klaxian | gnufan: yep its good ol' port sentry |
| 06:46.56 | attila | :S |
| 06:47.12 | attila | wtf taiwanese? |
| 06:47.43 | attila | there is no such word in my dictionary... :S |
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| 06:48.47 | klaxian | what's the format for a whole class C? 192.168.1.0/32? |
| 06:49.03 | gnufan | klaxian: class c 24 bits "/24" |
| 06:49.13 | klaxian | thanks |
| 06:49.48 | attila | so-called CIDR? |
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| 06:50.08 | attila | bawahahahaha |
| 06:50.10 | gnufan | klaxian: classes are very old fashioned, but then I'm getting old.... you youngsters should be using classless addressing, and quoting the netmask all the time. |
| 06:50.43 | klaxian | gnufan: i'm was just trying to configure my portsentry to ignore the lan :) |
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| 06:50.57 | Azar | attila: http://www.freesoft.org/CIE/Course/Subnet |
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| 06:51.29 | klaxian | Azar: Thanks! |
| 06:51.39 | gnufan | klaxian: then I'm a purist, my home network uses a random /24 allocation of the rfc 10.x.x.x space, just in case I ever need to merge it with another network run by a similar obsessives ;) |
| 06:51.52 | Azar | klaxian: that is my favorite course, not easy but .. nothing is easy |
| 06:52.10 | klaxian | haha |
| 06:52.37 | attila | haha, portsentry... a y2000 sword and a ban-yourself maker |
| 06:53.10 | gnufan | klaxian: All that RFC 192.168 prefixed space is for devices that can't handle variable length subnet masks -- don't you guys ever read the RFCs ;) |
| 06:53.46 | Azar | RFCs are boring, I like manuals written like an adventures book |
| 06:54.08 | klaxian | attila: what's wrong with portsentry? |
| 06:54.14 | Azar | well.. they are good for references though |
| 06:54.16 | attila | is there a dead-tree version RFC? |
| 06:54.33 | attila | could somebody tell me... |
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| 06:56.44 | gnufan | Azar: Once upon a time there was a geek who assigned his network 192.168.0.0/24 and he met a geekess who assigned her network 192.168.0.0/24, and when they married they couldn't network their equipment without lots of renumbering. A wise wizard called Cerf said, had they by used random /24 chunks of 10.x.x.x then the odds of such problems would be less than 1 in 65,000. |
| 06:57.19 | Azar | hahahaha nice story |
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| 06:58.14 | gnufan | Azar: bit lacking in adventure though... should at least face down the decision of which DHCP client to use or some such dragon. |
| 06:58.18 | attila | hehe |
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| 06:59.18 | gnufan | Azar: have you read the Tao of Backup -- I like that story |
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| 06:59.53 | Azar | umm no.. |
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| 07:00.07 | gnufan | Azar: http://www.taobackup.com/ |
| 07:00.16 | attila | Tao of BS? |
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| 07:01.38 | Azar | hehe nice, well shame on me I am still not being able to understand the concept and howto of a backup |
| 07:01.58 | Azar | I am really bad at burning a CD as well |
| 07:02.54 | attila | CD was important in the past, but now DVD is not |
| 07:02.56 | Azar | three years ago when I decided to try linux for first time, I destroyed 17 CDs trying to burn Woody on at least one... after 3 days of trying I gave up and ordered the CDs |
| 07:03.15 | zinx | ... |
| 07:03.30 | Azar | zinx, I just do not have that skill... |
| 07:03.34 | zinx | to burn an ISO? |
| 07:03.38 | attila | and HD-DVD/Blu-Ray |
| 07:03.43 | Azar | zinx, yes |
| 07:03.45 | zinx | what, were you trying to burn it on macos before 10? |
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| 07:04.11 | Azar | zinx, and you figure out, I had help from friends on my side... |
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| 07:04.53 | Azar | I can't go past floppy disks... |
| 07:05.33 | Azar | I guess the gui is the killer of my drive... maybe if I learn to burn in CLI would be easier |
| 07:06.22 | jm_ | man cdrecord for examples |
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| 07:06.38 | Azar | hmm yes would be easier: mount /cdrom then cp /etc /cdrom and voila: a backup of /etc |
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| 07:06.42 | jm_ | there's also a shitload of scripts available to make burning easier |
| 07:06.49 | jm_ | you can do that using packet writing |
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| 07:07.08 | Azar | jm_ cool Ill make that my next assignment |
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| 07:07.40 | Azar | good night honorables |
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| 07:07.55 | attila | UDF is fine on linux, I am sure |
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| 07:08.42 | attila | execept an old format from Adapter |
| 07:08.59 | jetscreamer | adaptec? |
| 07:09.09 | attila | er, sorry :) |
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| 07:09.50 | attila | I have alot of UDF discs |
| 07:09.54 | attila | lol |
| 07:10.18 | attila | in sereral formats |
| 07:10.26 | attila | lol |
| 07:10.41 | Sonny | liable: I installed acpi, but my laptop still doesnt reboot |
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| 07:10.52 | attila | hehe |
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| 07:12.19 | jetscreamer | are the acpi modules loaded |
| 07:12.21 | Sonny | what happens attila? |
| 07:12.29 | attila | nothing |
| 07:12.42 | Sonny | jetscreamer: let me see |
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| 07:13.13 | Ashex | son fo a gub |
| 07:13.16 | kithe | Hi, is there any way to install linux onto a existing RAID0 ? |
| 07:13.17 | Ashex | I need to write this down |
| 07:13.20 | attila | kernel acpi + acpid + well config in bios? |
| 07:13.26 | Ashex | how would I search for the file called smb? |
| 07:13.45 | jetscreamer | updatedb && locate whatever |
| 07:13.57 | Sonny | attila: my bios supports acpi |
| 07:13.57 | jetscreamer | unless you've done updatedb recently |
| 07:14.10 | attila | Sonny, of course |
| 07:14.41 | jetscreamer | my 8088 has acpi... |
| 07:14.44 | attila | Sonny, but you need some common sense about acpi/apm |
| 07:15.10 | attila | (how them worked?) |
| 07:15.11 | Sonny | attila: to load acpi: modprobe acpi? |
| 07:15.23 | attila | maybe :S |
| 07:15.35 | jetscreamer | apt-get install modconf && modconf |
| 07:16.10 | attila | my suggestion, if acpi is gay... try apm |
| 07:16.20 | Sonny | lol |
| 07:16.21 | attila | v1.2 apm |
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| 07:17.00 | Sonny | attila: It used to work nice ... but I installed debian again and the problem showed up |
| 07:17.01 | jetscreamer | i think i'm through binging on lifesavers for the night |
| 07:17.09 | attila | especially, on a non-linux/old-school OS |
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| 07:17.35 | attila | Sonny, lol |
| 07:17.38 | dondelelcaro | Sonny: acpi has issues on a lot of laptops. Some versions of the kernel have appropriate workarounds, and others don't. |
| 07:18.06 | Sonny | hey people: I realize that theres a toshiba_acpi module |
| 07:18.06 | jetscreamer | i don't like coconut lifesavers |
| 07:18.18 | jetscreamer | there are also other acpi modules |
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| 07:18.24 | Sonny | I'm installing the module with modconf |
| 07:18.40 | Sonny | let's tyr |
| 07:18.42 | attila | Sonny, is your laptop the dual/mutli cpu? |
| 07:18.44 | knt | exec env -i LC_COLLATE=C /bin/bash <enter> echo -e "a z\nad" | sort <enter> outputs "a z\nad" instead of "ad\na z". isn't it wrong? |
| 07:18.56 | Sonny | my laptop is HT |
| 07:19.05 | attila | sigh |
| 07:19.56 | Sonny | wow!! the installation of toshiba_acpi failed! :( |
| 07:20.01 | attila | which brand? (then I could ban this brand in the future :) |
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| 08:48.55 | james___ | Does iwconfig pass a dbm value to the driver or do drivers use mw? (as in for the txpower command) I would like to know how granular you can get, as in, coule I make 10mw incriments in the power? |
| 08:49.00 | valdyn | pmallapp: oh you're not using debian/stable, i can look that one up too |
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| 08:49.26 | pmallapp | valdyn, sorry i would have communicated that :) |
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| 08:50.31 | liable | Sonny: theres more than one way to skin a cat :) |
| 08:50.33 | [ill]will | anyone using fluxbox |
| 08:50.35 | valdyn | pmallapp: its on the first etch dvd from march 9th too |
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| 08:51.01 | valdyn | pmallapp: pool/main/libg/libgnomeprint/libgnomeprint2.2-0_2.12.1-3_i386.deb from /pub/CDROM-Images/debian-unofficial/etch-dvd/jigdo/debian-32-i386-binary-1.jigdo - 09 Mar 2006 |
| 08:51.48 | pmallapp | valdyn, please let me know the url of that |
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| 08:52.04 | valdyn | pmallapp: http://atterer.net/jigdo/jigdo-search.php?q=libgnomeprint |
| 08:52.20 | pmallapp | valdyn, oh another thing try it in amd64 |
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| 08:53.32 | valdyn | pmallapp: same thing, not pasting that too |
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| 08:54.10 | valdyn | pmallapp: that image is from the 8th though |
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| 08:56.29 | valdyn | pmallapp: pool directories are named after the source i guess, /pool/g is wrong , pool/libg is where libgnome is |
| 08:56.33 | valdyn | pmallapp: pool directories are named after the source i guess, /pool/g is wrong , pool/libg is where libgnomeprint is |
| 08:57.13 | pmallapp | valdyn, i am sure you are not looking at libgnomeprint2.2, as i can see there is libgnomeprint2.2-doc ibgnomeprint2.2-data and libgnomeprin-dev, i am looking for http://packages.debian.org/testing/libs/libgnomeprint2.2-0 |
| 08:57.30 | valdyn | pmallapp: i am |
| 08:57.40 | valdyn | pmallapp: you would already know if you looked at the url i showed you |
| 08:58.31 | pmallapp | i dont see it under any amd64 dvd's |
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| 09:00.23 | aquabat | clear |
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| 09:00.40 | valdyn | pmallapp: http://atterer.net/jigdo/jigdo-search.php?q=libgnomeprint+_amd64&l=http%3A%2F%2Fcdimage.debian.org%2Fcdimage%2Fetch_di_beta1%2Famd64%2Fjigdo-dvd%2Fdebian-testing-amd64-binary-1.jigdo |
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| 09:00.56 | valdyn | pmallapp: im not sure how to make it easier , its there trust me |
| 09:01.12 | kreg_work | howcome "cp -a" doesn't also copy symbolic links? i don't want the contents of the link, but i still want the link |
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| 09:01.29 | Grumpy_joe | does anyone use pppoe? |
| 09:01.41 | pmallapp | valdyn, Thanks :) i got it |
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| 09:02.32 | kevix | Grumpy_joe: I dont, but in #debian, we expect you to simply ask a question with some detail and someone will try to answer |
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| 09:02.52 | valdyn | !anyone use |
| 09:02.52 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 09:03.00 | pmallapp | valdyn, the jigdo you have pointed is dated 10th NOV 2005 |
| 09:03.17 | valdyn | pmallapp: yea its from a new search , maybe it just got updated |
| 09:03.58 | valdyn | pmallapp: my earlier link had the some files in a jigdo from the 8th though |
| 09:04.05 | valdyn | s/some/same/ |
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| 09:04.11 | Grumpy_joe | sorry, I'm having problems with my pppoe, it won't start at boot, and I suspect the problems is in the interface file, though I don't know, anyone has any ideas |
| 09:04.11 | Grumpy_joe | ? |
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| 09:04.30 | valdyn | Grumpy_joe: why do you think its not starting ? |
| 09:04.40 | kevix | Grumpy_joe: have you tried pppoeconf ? |
| 09:04.48 | pmallapp | valdyn, i am searching in the dvd's md5sum.txt i dont find it |
| 09:04.52 | weedar | I'm having trouble with an smc NIC: "/sbin/discover --module ethernet" tells me 8139too is the correct module. It is already loaded, yet I have no eth0 |
| 09:04.52 | Grumpy_joe | kevin, yes |
| 09:05.01 | Grumpy_joe | kevin, and that starts the connection |
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| 09:05.06 | cheal | Grumpy_joe: consider showing the file |
| 09:05.10 | valdyn | pmallapp: you dvd can easily be broken |
| 09:05.14 | valdyn | pmallapp: your dvd can easily be broken |
| 09:05.21 | Grumpy_joe | how do I show it, without flooding the channel? |
| 09:05.32 | kevix | weedar: what does ifconfig show? |
| 09:05.37 | cheal | !tell Grumpy_joe about paste |
| 09:05.50 | lauraw | I'm looking at buying a new laptop. Anyone have experience with a Fujitsu P7120, and how well it works with free drivers? acpi support? (actual personal experience, I can find web pages myself) |
| 09:05.51 | weedar | kevix, only lo and wlan0 - no eth0 |
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| 09:06.07 | cheal | ifconfig -a, most pertinently |
| 09:06.24 | pmallapp | valdyn, true but how can there be files missing which are already there in previous images, if some apps break, it can be accepted, if libs like this is gone missing there are several apps brokern |
| 09:06.25 | valdyn | weedar: modprobe -r 8139too, modprobe 8139too, watch dmesg output |
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| 09:06.45 | kevix | weedar: have you setup /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 09:06.53 | valdyn | pmallapp: your dvd being broken doesnt mean its debians fault |
| 09:07.10 | weedar | of course I haven't, that would have been smart of me..sorry guys, ifconfig -a tells me there is an eth0 =) |
| 09:07.22 | Cyberwolf | hello, i seem to have lost my sources.list file. :P how can i get it back ? |
| 09:07.22 | weedar | I guess all I need to do is setup /etc/network/interfaces then |
| 09:07.33 | pmallapp | valdyn, its not my fault also :) |
| 09:07.37 | liable | Cyberwolf: apt-setup |
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| 09:07.43 | valdyn | pmallapp: how do you know that? |
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| 09:07.51 | neuterspay | What do I need in order to play wmv ? |
| 09:07.52 | weedar | But thanks valdyn / cheal / kevix :) |
| 09:07.56 | neuterspay | I plan on running it in Noatun. |
| 09:07.57 | Cyberwolf | liable, no such file.. |
| 09:08.02 | liable | neuterspay: w32codecs |
| 09:08.05 | neuterspay | Ah thanks. |
| 09:08.07 | neuterspay | ++ |
| 09:08.13 | kevix | !marillat |
| 09:08.13 | liable | Cyberwolf: run it as root.. |
| 09:08.13 | dpkg | i guess marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> <marillat.etch> <marillat.sid> |
| 09:08.29 | Cyberwolf | liable, done that too |
| 09:08.37 | pmallapp | valdyn, its a debian supplied .jigdo file and the image is good all the md5sums match the md5sum of the image also matches |
| 09:08.43 | liable | Cyberwolf: you are saying you dont have apt-setup? |
| 09:08.56 | Cyberwolf | liable, that's right |
| 09:09.11 | valdyn | pmallapp: so maybe only that md5sum file is wrong, not the file missing |
| 09:09.22 | karsten | liable: Could be an older installation? |
| 09:09.23 | liable | Cyberwolf: sucks to be you. |
| 09:09.32 | Grumpy_joe | cheal, pasted it in flood |
| 09:09.34 | lauraw | Cyberwolf, assuming you use sarge: echo deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian sarge main >> /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 09:09.57 | Cyberwolf | lauraw, yes |
| 09:10.18 | lauraw | Cyberwolf, after that, do "apt-get update" and it should work |
| 09:11.13 | Cyberwolf | lauraw, do u also know howto get apt-setup back ? :) |
| 09:11.34 | cheal | Grumpy_joe: I wasn't there. use a paster or paste again |
| 09:11.42 | pmallapp | valdyn, the .jigdo also dont have any entry for package, and i dont see any packages like libgnomeprint2.2-0 after 10th NOV 2005 please search in the same link using this string "libgnomeprint _amd64" |
| 09:11.43 | kreg_work | in theory, if you do an "rm -rf /" is there a way to go back? |
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| 09:11.49 | karsten | Cyberwolf: stable? |
| 09:11.56 | Fox | hi |
| 09:11.59 | kreg_work | it's not like the harddrive was zero'd out yet |
| 09:12.07 | Cyberwolf | karsten, yes |
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| 09:12.15 | lauraw | Cyberwolf, no, I've never of apt-setup |
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| 09:12.42 | karsten | Cyberwolf: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2025 |
| 09:12.50 | oracle1 | Hi. I installed the new sarge and accidentially created a wrong initrd disk and I have only one kernel installed which needs this initrd disk. thus I cant boot anymore. |
| 09:12.53 | karsten | Cyberwolf: ... you'll probably want main contrib non-free. |
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| 09:12.59 | oracle1 | is there somewhere on the net the vanilla initrd disk for sarge? |
| 09:13.01 | oracle1 | kernel 2.4.27 |
| 09:13.12 | liable | Cyberwolf: its in base-config |
| 09:13.19 | karsten | oracle1: Pretty much any bootable Linux. Damn Small Linux, LNX-BBC, Knoppix. |
| 09:13.21 | jm_ | oracle1: there are boot discs on FTP sites, as well as netboot disks |
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| 09:13.34 | oracle1 | so what? it doesnt help me .. i need the original initrd image |
| 09:13.44 | karsten | oracle1: Trust us, dude. |
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| 09:13.55 | jm_ | yeah it doesn't help, one can't simply recreate initrd image ... |
| 09:14.01 | karsten | oracle1: ... and there *isn't* an original initrd image. It's createded. |
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| 09:14.06 | jm_ | but as you said, that won't help you |
| 09:14.10 | karsten | jm_: You forgot </satire> |
| 09:14.57 | _chou-cho | oracle1: man mkinitrd |
| 09:15.01 | Cyberwolf | liable, ok, im on it |
| 09:15.09 | cheal | Grumpy_joe: which release do you use? |
| 09:15.38 | valdyn | pmallapp: i did that |
| 09:15.42 | karsten | oracle1: Boot bootable system of your choice. Mount your system's root filesystem. Chroot into it. Mount remaining filesystems (if any). Reinstall your kernel. Should regenerate the initrd automatically. |
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| 09:15.48 | valdyn | pmallapp: why dont you just search the url i showed you |
| 09:15.54 | karsten | oracle1: Key is 'mount -a' to mount all. |
| 09:15.57 | Grumpy_joe | cheal, unstable |
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| 09:16.19 | pmallapp | valdyn, as i already said the url you showes is from .jigdo of 10th Nov 2005 |
| 09:16.24 | Grumpy_joe | anyway, I think I've screwed so much with my network, I'll start over |
| 09:16.26 | cheal | Grumpy_joe: what does # ifup -na; output? |
| 09:16.26 | oracle1 | karsten: ok ill try. thx |
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| 09:16.35 | pmallapp | s/showes/showed |
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| 09:17.04 | Grumpy_joe | allready configured |
| 09:17.35 | cheal | Grumpy_joe: eth0 seems to be reconfigured auto in your interfaces |
| 09:17.52 | karsten | oracle1: You're using a stock kernel? |
| 09:18.43 | Grumpy_joe | cheal, I think pre-up /sbin/ifconfig eth0 up might be the key to my problem, so I'm gonna try and reboot with that included and see what happens |
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| 09:19.21 | Grumpy_joe | the thing is, everything now looks different from when I boot, since I need to start eth0 up before I can go online |
| 09:19.22 | Sonny | do you know a way that works to install madwifi driver, ? |
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| 09:19.36 | [ill]will | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:20.12 | liable | Grumpy_joe: are you just trying to make it manual or auto? |
| 09:20.18 | tarzeau | [ill]will: depends what app... |
| 09:20.24 | Grumpy_joe | well, I use dhcp |
| 09:21.12 | Grumpy_joe | hmm, I'm gonna try this |
| 09:21.13 | Grumpy_joe | bbl |
| 09:21.16 | cheal | Grumpy_joe: yeah |
| 09:21.47 | slinn | where do i see login attempts for ssh? |
| 09:22.04 | tarzeau | someone runs afs on 2.6? which kernel module do you use? w/ 2.4 openafs is nice and works. in 2.6 it's kafs and don't work? |
| 09:22.06 | lihl | hello |
| 09:22.06 | liable | auth.log |
| 09:22.07 | lihl | who know how use scim in iemacs? |
| 09:22.12 | slinn | thanks liable |
| 09:22.16 | tarzeau | lihl: #emacs ? |
| 09:22.16 | liable | yw |
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| 09:22.22 | lihl | yes |
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| 09:22.45 | lihl | i'am newbie and english is so poor |
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| 09:23.22 | wireddd | so if I change eth1 in etc/net/interfaces from auto to manual I will have to ifup it manually after bootup right? |
| 09:23.32 | karsten | wireddd: Bingo. |
| 09:23.34 | pmallapp | lihl, join the channel #emacs , you are now talking in #debian |
| 09:23.35 | tarzeau | !noob |
| 09:23.35 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
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| 09:23.42 | tarzeau | !engrish |
| 09:23.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, engrish is at http://www.engrish.com |
| 09:23.43 | liable | wireddd: just remove the auto line |
| 09:23.43 | lihl | thx |
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| 09:24.10 | wireddd | liable, remove it or change it to "manual eth1" |
| 09:24.14 | karsten | liable: Um. point. wireddd What lihl said. |
| 09:24.35 | karsten | wireddd: If you'll read the top of that file you'll find a manpage with syntax. Examples in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/ |
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| 09:25.44 | karsten | wireddd: man 5 interfaces |
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| 09:25.56 | wireddd | karsten, well everything works fine, its just that I need to have a script bring up eth1 after the mac address has been changed in order for dhcp to get an address from my cable modem |
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| 09:26.05 | smhar | hi I am trying to install nvidia driver but got 'Package nvidia-kernel-source has no installation candidate' error |
| 09:26.12 | tarzeau | smhar: #nvidia |
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| 09:26.21 | dondelelcaro | smhar: you don't have non-free in your sources.list |
| 09:26.24 | smhar | I am following this site: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 09:26.55 | karsten | wireddd: You can also add post-up commands to other interfaces. |
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| 09:27.07 | smhar | dondelelcaro, ohh, I will check that, thanks |
| 09:27.12 | karsten | wireddd: ... so you could have, say, eth0 bring up eth1 after eth0 is configured, might solve your problem. |
| 09:27.45 | wireddd | well I already have a firewall script that brings up the interfaces anyway |
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| 09:28.31 | karsten | wireddd: Cool then. |
| 09:28.33 | phobo | is there a recommendation of dovecot vs courierimap (on etch, if that makes a diff?) |
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| 09:29.07 | phobo | i have a courierimap set up on an old box, and am upgrading the whole thing to a new server; wondering if dovecot is worth the hassle moving to, or if its much of a muchness |
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| 09:30.51 | Fox | phobo: the question might be "do you really need dovecot ?" |
| 09:31.35 | dondelelcaro | phobo: I personally prefer dovecot over courier and uw-imapd |
| 09:31.47 | dondelelcaro | primarily because it doesn't screw up ids. |
| 09:32.17 | Fox | dondelelcaro: how does courier "screw up ids" ? |
| 09:32.31 | dondelelcaro | Fox: it forgets them occasionally |
| 09:32.51 | Fox | never had this problem, even with huge amount of mails and accounts |
| 09:32.53 | dondelelcaro | Fox: for most imap users, this is no big deal, because they only track ids per-connection |
| 09:34.00 | dondelelcaro | however, I use offlineimap, and use imap to sync mailboxes between 4 different machines |
| 09:34.01 | [ill]will | the thing is i got a 9inch monitor and some of the windows open too big to see |
| 09:34.15 | zinx | [ill]will: that has more to do with the resolution |
| 09:34.19 | zinx | [ill]will: and the font size |
| 09:34.38 | wireddd | a 9 inch monitor? |
| 09:34.39 | zinx | [ill]will: in most *nix window managers you can hold alt and drag to drag the window, without needing to use the titlebar to drag |
| 09:34.40 | karsten | [ill]will: I'd suggest sticking to console. What's your resolution? 800x600? |
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| 09:34.50 | [ill]will | i think 800x600 is all i can go |
| 09:34.59 | phobo | it is for a company with about 15 email addresses; most accounts have several thousand emails stored... *fox* under what situations might "dovecot needed" be yes or no? |
| 09:35.32 | [ill]will | whats the file to edit for screen resolutions to add |
| 09:35.32 | Fox | phobo: dunno, never used dovecot because I never *needed* it |
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| 09:36.14 | Fox | phobo: is there something dovecot might do that courier doesn't ? do you have performance problemes with courier that you might not have with dovecot ? etc... |
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| 09:37.03 | karsten | [ill]will: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 09:37.12 | phobo | Fox: well i will be moving from a pentium3/500mhz to a Dual3ghz machine, so performance will be jumping through the roof.... |
| 09:37.13 | priscila | ivl: you can use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 if you are using sarge |
| 09:37.18 | priscila | ios |
| 09:37.20 | priscila | ops |
| 09:37.27 | priscila | [ill]will: you can use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 if you are using sarge |
| 09:37.48 | karsten | priscila: Not x.org? |
| 09:37.50 | Fox | phobo: you might not need dovecot then, stay with courier if you're used to it |
| 09:38.17 | phobo | when people keep mentioning dovecot is faster, what aspect is so improved? |
| 09:38.18 | priscila | karsten: sarg dont use xorg |
| 09:38.26 | priscila | s/sarg/sarge |
| 09:38.28 | karsten | priscila: OK. |
| 09:38.40 | phobo | and by what sort of ratio is the speed increased? |
| 09:38.44 | Fox | phobo: maybe faster with huge mailbox |
| 09:38.51 | valdyn | i would say this probably depends on the filesystem used largely too ( with Maildir ) |
| 09:38.57 | [ill]will | i maually edited xorg.conf |
| 09:39.00 | wq | I'm trying to turn my debian box into nat server. i am open the ip_forward ;apt-get dhcp3-server; change the dhcpd.conf ,but the internal computer still cann't connect with the internet ,any one can help me? |
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| 09:39.33 | Cyberwolf | btw, where can i get newer kernel ? |
| 09:39.41 | karsten | [ill]will: Then correct that with the steps at the top of the file. |
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| 09:40.01 | karsten | [ill]will: ... you can save a backup copy of your config first in case what follows doesn't work ;-) |
| 09:40.09 | Fox | Cyberwolf: apt-cache search linux-image |
| 09:40.09 | karsten | Cyberwolf: At the kernel-and-dime store. |
| 09:40.09 | row | Why does libapache2-mod-php4 require apache2-mpm-prefork, why can't it use the worker one that is recommended on the packages.debian.org ? |
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| 09:40.26 | karsten | Cyberwolf: apt-cache search kernel-image |
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| 09:40.34 | Cyberwolf | im compiling 2.6.15.6 as we speak now |
| 09:40.52 | Cyberwolf | i know that |
| 09:40.55 | fas3r | if i modify /etc/aliases just i need to run postmap /etc/aliases for create /etc/aliases.db no ? |
| 09:40.55 | Fox | Cyberwolf: then how could you get a newer one ? :) |
| 09:40.58 | SlammerXP | row: because php is a steaming heap of camel poo |
| 09:41.17 | Fox | fas3r: newaliases |
| 09:41.21 | row | SlammerXP: lol, thats not a reason, is there a valid reason or is it a mistake? |
| 09:41.32 | karsten | Cyberwolf: ... then why did you ask? |
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| 09:41.52 | Cyberwolf | Fox, i meant ofcource apt... if there r any mirrors to newer kernel |
| 09:42.01 | karsten | Cyberwolf: http://www.kernel.org/ |
| 09:42.05 | fas3r | Fox, because when i run newaliases it's return : " newaliases: fatal: alias initialization mode requires no recipient " |
| 09:42.11 | karsten | Cyberwolf: ... or you could send Linus a special request. |
| 09:42.13 | wq | can any one give me a hand? |
| 09:42.13 | valdyn | Cyberwolf: maybe www.backports.org |
| 09:42.17 | karsten | Cyberwolf: ... but I wouldn't recommend it. |
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| 09:42.25 | Cyberwolf | ok |
| 09:42.26 | karsten | wq: I've got one I've been saving for you. |
| 09:42.35 | karsten | wq: ... I'll need a FedEx delivery address. |
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| 09:43.01 | valdyn | !ipmasq |
| 09:43.01 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), apt-get install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
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| 09:43.08 | wq | karsten : my mail address is wqstar@hotmail.com |
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| 09:43.12 | valdyn | wq: ^^ |
| 09:43.14 | karsten | wq: echo '1' > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 09:43.25 | tarzeau | has someone got msn to test amsn w/ cam? |
| 09:43.26 | wq | yes ,i did that |
| 09:43.50 | Fox | tarzeau: yep |
| 09:43.57 | karsten | wq: /query dpkg paster and paste relevant information on your config and how you're determining it doesn't work. |
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| 09:44.04 | row | crp |
| 09:44.06 | tarzeau | Fox: your msn address? |
| 09:44.08 | karsten | wq: Do you have appropriate routes set up for your client? |
| 09:44.12 | row | I just checked debain.org |
| 09:44.18 | karsten | wq: FedEx won't deliver to email addresses. |
| 09:44.19 | Fox | tarzeau: I don't have msn at work, sorry :) |
| 09:44.21 | tarzeau | Fox: how's debian cd sales going in .am? |
| 09:44.31 | karsten | wq: ...and make it quick, this thing isn't getting any fresher. |
| 09:44.32 | tarzeau | Fox: well i can try at home... i'm not there yet either |
| 09:44.48 | Fox | tarzeau: in .am ? dunno, I'm in France :) |
| 09:44.48 | wq | FedEx is what ,i am sorry |
| 09:45.19 | tarzeau | Fox: oh i've swapped you with someone... |
| 09:45.19 | Fox | tarzeau: sorry but I keep my msn address for people I know ;) |
| 09:45.23 | karsten | wq: package delivery service. |
| 09:45.31 | Fox | tarzeau: no problem :) |
| 09:45.36 | tarzeau | Fox: how am i supposed to test my cam? you can watch me... ;) |
| 09:45.44 | Fox | hehe |
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| 09:46.28 | Fox | I'm sure you already have friends who'll be glad to watch you live :) |
| 09:46.38 | lawnchair | does anyone nkow of a program like expect but not requiring tcl |
| 09:46.39 | wq | karsten : sorry ,i use this for what? |
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| 09:46.56 | jm_ | lawnchair: yes |
| 09:47.01 | karsten | wq: For the hand I'm going to send you. I've had it in the freezer for the past nine months. |
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| 09:47.03 | lawnchair | will you tell me .? |
| 09:47.03 | Fox | tarzeau: open 2 amsn, with 2 differents accounts and watch yourself might work |
| 09:47.16 | jm_ | lawnchair: libexpect-perl |
| 09:47.21 | tarzeau | Fox: ah good idea, that might work. need to create another account |
| 09:47.26 | lawnchair | ok |
| 09:47.28 | wq | _^_ do you know where am i? |
| 09:47.44 | jm_ | I wrote my own tool that does the same and uses FPL for scripting |
| 09:47.51 | karsten | s/wm/wq/ |
| 09:48.47 | karsten | wq: Somewhere in Anhui Province, presumably. |
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| 09:49.03 | wq | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:49.20 | karsten | wq: I know. And no, I don't do msn. |
| 09:49.23 | greench | hello everyone ;) |
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| 09:49.30 | karsten | greench: He just stepped out. |
| 09:49.48 | wq | so ,you use what ?icq? |
| 09:49.54 | karsten | wq: IRC. |
| 09:50.08 | karsten | wq: ...and I should have been asleep three hours ago. |
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| 09:50.53 | fas3r | i have some problem with apt-get upgrade .. i have pastebin the error ... http://pastebin.com/594118 it's a problem with /etc/aliases.db but it create and work great before this .. if nobody want look ^^ |
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| 09:51.08 | wq | karsten : i don't understand you very well , |
| 09:51.12 | karsten | wq: ... anyhow, post your configuration, output of ifconfig and 'route -n' and however you're determining that your internal host can route through your Linux box. Use the paste webpage ('/msg dpkg paster' for info). |
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| 09:51.25 | karsten | wq: ... and have someone else help you. I need to go to sleep. |
| 09:51.48 | karsten | wq: Sorry, I was trying to be funny. Your English is vastly better than my Cantonese. |
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| 09:52.24 | wq | eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:E0:4C:53:01:D7 |
| 09:52.24 | wq | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:52.24 | wq | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:52.24 | wq | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:52.24 | wq | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:52.24 | wq | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:52.46 | Sonny | what package contains make-kpkg? cause my debian tells me: command not found, when I execute it |
| 09:53.06 | fas3r | Sonny, maybe kernel-package |
| 09:53.06 | greench | i have one little problem - when i start the kde popups an error window - device /dev/dsp can`t be opened (Permission denied) OK ... when I change the dsp permission to 777 i works but when i reboot and log in again - popups the same error. pls help :) |
| 09:53.08 | karsten | !tell Sonny about search |
| 09:53.44 | karsten | greench: Any processes using /dev/dsp? 'fuser -v /dev/dsp' |
| 09:53.47 | fas3r | greench, you need to edit your /etc/passwd and add your user in the sound lines ^^ |
| 09:53.56 | valdyn | greench: dont fuck with permissions but add your user to the audio group |
| 09:54.11 | karsten | fas3r: adduser <user> <group> is preferred. |
| 09:54.27 | karsten | greench: sudo adduser $USER audio |
| 09:54.31 | fas3r | karsten, yep but it's an other god solution ^^ |
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| 09:54.44 | valdyn | hes fucking with permissions in a udev-controlled /dev ... |
| 09:54.49 | karsten | greench: ..and install sudo if you don't have it installed. |
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| 09:55.06 | karsten | fas3r: Well, if you're going to have people manually fuck with their config files, get the right files. |
| 09:55.13 | karsten | fas3r: ...and all of 'em. |
| 09:55.36 | karsten | fas3r: ... that's /etc/group and /etc/gshadow. Usually. Which is why adduser is usually the much safer alternative. |
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| 09:55.43 | fas3r | karsten, yes sorry it's /etc/group not /etcpasswd sorry it's my fault ^^ |
| 09:55.53 | karsten | fas3r: NP. |
| 09:56.00 | fas3r | karsten, sure |
| 09:56.01 | karsten | fas3r: ... I *never* make msitake.s |
| 09:56.03 | wq | karsten :thans |
| 09:56.07 | wq | thanks |
| 09:56.09 | greench | karsten, i have it but it doesn`t 'work' corectlly i type the root pass but nothing |
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| 09:56.33 | fas3r | greench, you need to configure /Etc/sudoers |
| 09:56.38 | karsten | greench: su -c 'visudo'. Add yourself to /etc/sudoers. Copy the last (root) line and change 'root' to your username. |
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| 09:56.53 | karsten | greench: ... then to invoke sudo, you provide *your* password, not root's. |
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| 09:57.07 | karsten | !tell greench about sudo |
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| 09:57.26 | karsten | wq: Don't paste in channel or you'll get kicked by one of the bots. |
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| 09:57.37 | greench | ok :) 10x again! :) i`ll test it |
| 09:57.42 | karsten | wq: /msg dpkg paste; /msg dpkg paster |
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| 09:57.46 | fas3r | karsten, you don't have any idea for my problem ^^ ? |
| 09:57.52 | karsten | fas3r: PANIC! |
| 09:58.10 | fas3r | panic ? why ? |
| 09:58.13 | karsten | fas3r: I don't run postfix. |
| 09:58.20 | karsten | fas3r: ...well, you asked if I had any ideas. |
| 09:58.25 | karsten | fas3r: ...that's usually in my top three. |
| 09:58.33 | valdyn | !any idea |
| 09:58.33 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of condoms, a little WD-40, and 5 or 6 sex-crazed oxen. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 09:58.40 | wq | Kernel IP routing table |
| 09:58.40 | wq | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags MSS Window irtt Iface |
| 09:58.40 | wq | 10.0.0.224 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.224 U 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 09:58.40 | wq | 210.45.73.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.128 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
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| 09:58.45 | fas3r | it's just a error with apt-get upgrade not postfix ... |
| 09:58.47 | karsten | Feh. |
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| 09:58.56 | karsten | Someone cluebat wq. |
| 09:59.01 | karsten | Any Cantonese speakers here? |
| 09:59.05 | fas3r | wq GO TO http://www.pastebin.com for paste !!!!! |
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| 09:59.20 | sussudio | wq is just that fuckwit coywolf again. |
| 09:59.43 | valdyn | coywolf? |
| 09:59.45 | liable | he certainly doesnt learn quickly. |
| 09:59.46 | karsten | fas3r: S'il vous plait settez votre locale su "en_US"? |
| 09:59.48 | sussudio | !coywolf |
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| 09:59.53 | sussudio | mreh. |
| 09:59.56 | sussudio | !seen coywolf |
| 09:59.57 | dpkg | coywolf <n=coywolf@60.21.5.11> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 4d 22h 38m 15s ago, saying: 'quit'. |
| 10:00.03 | fas3r | karsten, what ? |
| 10:00.17 | qinliang | hello can any guy tell me how to install Debian from a usb hard disk? |
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| 10:00.41 | karsten | fas3r: Could you set your locale to English when running what you're running? My French is very rusty. |
| 10:00.52 | bk_ankur | Hello friends.. how to get the list of packages that are installed. |
| 10:00.57 | jm_ | qinliang: installation manual explains it |
| 10:01.10 | Coweater | bk_ankur: dpkg -l |
| 10:01.13 | karsten | bk_ankur: dpkg --get-selections |
| 10:01.14 | Eulex | !installed |
| 10:01.14 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 10:01.14 | liable | bk_ankur: dpkg --get-selections |
| 10:01.16 | fas3r | karsten, no |
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| 10:02.04 | fas3r | karsten, why you want i use english locale , |
| 10:02.05 | fas3r | , |
| 10:02.09 | fas3r | ? |
| 10:02.16 | qinliang | jm_: prehaps the install manual only explain the way to install debian from a usb key, i do what it said but it seem does not work |
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| 10:02.19 | karsten | fas3r: Seems like your postfix post-inst script is borking. Try running it manually. 'bash -x /var/lib/dpkg/info/postfix.postinst |
| 10:02.33 | karsten | fas3r: Je ne parle pas Francais. |
| 10:02.48 | karsten | fas3r: Is this yours: http://pastebin.com/594118 |
| 10:03.05 | jm_ | qinliang: it's not really any different for different types of media |
| 10:03.17 | Eulex | fas3r, you can run commands with an english locale just by running LANG=C foo, where foo is the command you want to run. |
| 10:03.19 | bk_ankur | Thank You |
| 10:03.22 | fas3r | karsten, yes it's mine |
| 10:03.27 | Knight_Lord | qinliang is it a booting problem? |
| 10:03.33 | karsten | fas3r: 'LANG=C apt-get update' |
| 10:03.55 | fas3r | karsten, oki |
| 10:03.55 | wireddd | stay on top + shading is really usefull |
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| 10:04.04 | karsten | fas3r: Anyhow, see above. Run the script. Generate your aliases.db file. Read the postfix docs for instructions on how. |
| 10:04.19 | qinliang | Knight_Lord: yes first i want to boot from netinst cd but my Dell Latitude seem didint match the cd rom driver |
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| 10:04.26 | karsten | fas3r: ... if you're going to ask for help in an English-language channel, providing native language output would help. |
| 10:04.29 | liable | or his main.cf has the alias set to /etc/aliases.db |
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| 10:04.35 | fas3r | karsten, it's just an upgrade postfix and all other work fine |
| 10:04.41 | karsten | liable: Could be. I don't parle postfix either. |
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| 10:04.59 | karsten | fas3r: Well, it's a *failed* upgrade of postfix. I'd find out what's up with that. |
| 10:05.10 | fas3r | oki |
| 10:05.14 | fas3r | thank ^^ |
| 10:05.17 | TenienteCastillo | I have a problem with a Gigabyte motherboard with chipset 945P from Intel |
| 10:05.23 | karsten | fas3r: Du rien. |
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| 10:05.42 | TenienteCastillo | is there any suppor for this chipset in Debian?? |
| 10:05.42 | fas3r | karsten, it's "de rien" ^^ |
| 10:05.51 | jm_ | TenienteCastillo: why wouldn't there be? |
| 10:05.56 | fas3r | TenienteCastillo, have you google it ? |
| 10:05.57 | karsten | fas3r: Whatever. I don't speak Frenchy, remember ;-) |
| 10:06.06 | fas3r | karsten, ^^ |
| 10:06.21 | TenienteCastillo | Yes, but I have not found any solution |
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| 10:06.58 | TenienteCastillo | My problem is with the SATA interface |
| 10:07.05 | jm_ | use updated kernel |
| 10:07.06 | donowho | i am not able to login to kdm as non-root after upgrading to kde3.4. syslog has msg: user not authorizied to run xserver. |
| 10:07.24 | donowho | what is going on? |
| 10:07.40 | TenienteCastillo | I have Sarge with backports' 2.6.15 kernel |
| 10:07.59 | jm_ | that should pretty much work |
| 10:08.02 | karsten | donowho: cat /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config |
| 10:08.42 | donowho | karsten: i have done that. changing the value of the variable to 'anybody', no effect. |
| 10:08.43 | qinliang | I have a troube booting netinst cd on my Dell Latutide D510 laptop from cd-rom, i can see the debian screen but it cannot go further more when trying to mount the cd |
| 10:08.53 | karsten | donowho: 'console' is what you want. |
| 10:08.57 | jm_ | not sure which chipset it is on HP machines here, but it has ICR6 |
| 10:09.18 | TenienteCastillo | It is running by days but, suddenly, it writes errors in dmesg and it stops running |
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| 10:09.20 | karsten | donowho: RTFM as file suggests. |
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| 10:09.25 | donowho | karsten: it was not working with 'console', i tried 'anybody', no effect. |
| 10:09.26 | jm_ | what errors? |
| 10:09.31 | kohinoor | how can i uncompress .rar in linux? |
| 10:09.38 | oracle1 | if I call dpkg-reconfigure kernel-image-X would the initrd image be created? |
| 10:09.38 | Jhair | kadigibox: with unrar |
| 10:09.39 | karsten | donowho: Random values generally lead to random errors. |
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| 10:09.47 | karsten | kohinoor: apt-cache search rar |
| 10:09.50 | Fox | fas3r: did you ask on #debian-fr |
| 10:10.02 | donowho | karsten, GFY, this is not as simple as you think you know. |
| 10:10.07 | karsten | kohinoor: unrar. |
| 10:10.17 | fas3r | Fox no i'm banned because they are crazy and no regular |
| 10:10.21 | karsten | donowho: Already took care of that need, but thanks for the concern. |
| 10:10.27 | TenienteCastillo | my dmesg: http://debian.pastebin.com/594141 |
| 10:10.38 | jm_ | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common manages Xwrapper.config |
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| 10:10.47 | fas3r | they doesn't like question in #debian-fr |
| 10:10.59 | donowho | karsten, if u only know how to RTFM, STFU. |
| 10:11.05 | fas3r | just like talk about weither and sun |
| 10:11.16 | karsten | donowho: Well, _have_ you RTFM? |
| 10:11.37 | donowho | karsten, u can f..king bet on that. |
| 10:11.44 | jm_ | TenienteCastillo: that looks like an ECC error |
| 10:11.49 | karsten | donowho: I'll take that as a "yes". |
| 10:11.53 | karsten | donowho: How are you starting X? |
| 10:11.58 | kohinoor | thnx |
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| 10:12.06 | TenienteCastillo | my lspci: http://debian.pastebin.com/594143 |
| 10:12.08 | Fox | fas3r: didn't know that, I might /part then :) |
| 10:12.10 | jm_ | or rather, corrected ECC |
| 10:12.12 | donowho | karsten, starting what? |
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| 10:12.22 | karsten | donowho: Your X server. X11. |
| 10:12.23 | concept10 | sounds like you guys are having fun in here |
| 10:12.27 | TenienteCastillo | ECC error?? what's that?? |
| 10:12.36 | karsten | TenienteCastillo: Bad disk. |
| 10:12.49 | jm_ | Error Checking and Correction |
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| 10:13.05 | donowho | karsten, i don't have to , manually do that all the while. |
| 10:13.09 | karsten | jm_: Thanks WRT xserver-common. |
| 10:13.13 | jm_ | and it looks like libata doesn't handle it quite gracefully, probably best to look for people with similar problems or ask LKM |
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| 10:13.21 | karsten | donowho: You're running kdm then? |
| 10:13.28 | jm_ | LKML even |
| 10:13.29 | TenienteCastillo | seeing the lspci output, I am not sure of the bad disk issue |
| 10:13.34 | donowho | karsten, yep |
| 10:13.36 | fas3r | Fox, i'm serious if you have a problem and gone on #deban-fr the only solution who they talk it's " go google don't talk your problem here... and more" |
| 10:13.36 | karsten | donowho: ... out of /tec/init.d |
| 10:13.55 | karsten | donowho: OK. <ctrl><alt><backspace> from within X, or /etc/init.d/kdm restart. |
| 10:13.56 | donowho | karsten, yep |
| 10:14.00 | TenienteCastillo | what's that LKM? |
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| 10:14.14 | karsten | donowho: ... either way, we want to kill and restart your X server. Try logging in again. Tell me if you're sorted. |
| 10:14.15 | jm_ | !tell TenienteCastillo -about lkml |
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| 10:15.47 | karsten | donowho: ... and if you feel like RTFMing again, take note of the legal values for "allowed_users". OK, I guess "anybody" is there, but it's strongly deprecated as this allows _any_ user, local or remote, to mess with X. Ordinarially 'console' restricts this to users with access to a virtual console (physical access) or root. |
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| 10:16.38 | fas3r | de toute facon ca me soul |
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| 10:17.17 | liable | engrish! |
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| 10:17.54 | donowho | karsten, restarting X and login was OK. what does that tell u? |
| 10:18.07 | karsten | donowho: You'd failed to restart X. |
| 10:18.24 | karsten | donowho: ... meaning your configuration changes hadn't taken effect yet. |
| 10:18.46 | donowho | karsten, so how to make them take effect? |
| 10:19.00 | karsten | donowho: Force an X restart as we just did. |
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| 10:19.32 | cyb0rg | I understand some people complain that debian has outdated packages. is this the case for the testing branch ? |
| 10:19.37 | karsten | donowho: Most servers require something like that to got properly updated. Some don't. |
| 10:19.55 | karsten | cyb0rg: Depends on your definitions of "outdated" and "packages". |
| 10:20.08 | donowho | karsten, can't do that everytime i start the system. some init script should do this. |
| 10:20.13 | karsten | cyb0rg: Some testing packages may not be smeared in the freshest of blood. |
| 10:20.22 | karsten | donowho: You shouldn't need to. |
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| 10:20.39 | karsten | donowho: What's "allowed users" set to currently in /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config. |
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| 10:20.59 | donowho | karsten, it is 'console'. |
| 10:21.03 | karsten | donowho: ... as jm_ noted, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common should allow you to configure that. |
| 10:21.07 | karsten | donowho: ... OK, good. |
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| 10:21.27 | karsten | donowho: If you want to ensure things work on restar, you might want to check that right now. |
| 10:21.44 | Red_Cloud | !tell Rec_Cloud about sarge>etch |
| 10:21.45 | karsten | donowho: Another common problem is having bad perms on /tmp. You want 'chmod 1777'. |
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| 10:22.17 | karsten | donowho: ... confirm with 'ls -ld /tmp' |
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| 10:22.28 | fas3r | for using radius authenticate for wireless it's need i use Access Point or it's possible to use radius in ad-hoc mode ? |
| 10:22.29 | donowho | karsten, i have tried the dpkg-reconfig, the trouble is that xserver-common is not installed. when i try to install, it says it is replaced by xfree86-common. |
| 10:22.43 | phobo | easy way to find&replace text in a file? along the lines of find "/home/shares/email/" and replace with "/email/" |
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| 10:23.02 | karsten | donowho: That might be the default for sarge. Regardless, you're OK at present. |
| 10:23.11 | donowho | karsten, checked that /tmp. it has a 't'. |
| 10:23.12 | helter | hello, can somebody help? Easy question I think. My screen goes black after a few minutes of inactivity. Screensaver is disabled. What can i do 2 disable the screen going black after a period of inactivity? Thx 4 any help |
| 10:23.23 | donowho | at the end. |
| 10:23.27 | karsten | donowho: This shit changes all the time. I try to keep the stale stuff out of my head. |
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| 10:23.56 | karsten | helter: setterm or another config I'm blanking on |
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| 10:24.03 | leri | phobo, sed -i 's/\/homes\/shares\/email\//\/email\/' input_file |
| 10:24.14 | karsten | donowho: That's right: drwxrwxrwt 13 root root 3072 2006-03-10 02:20 /tmp |
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| 10:24.42 | leri | phobo, i forgot a trailing / on that regex |
| 10:24.45 | karsten | helter: ... um. 'tset'. |
| 10:24.53 | donowho | karsten, am i ok now for good, meaning re-boot, after the one restart i did earlier? |
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| 10:25.05 | Red_Cloud | I would like to know about upgrading from sarge to etch. Could some give me the information as I cannot remember the syntax for dpkg |
| 10:25.13 | karsten | donowho: Should work. Let me / channel know if it doesn't. |
| 10:25.17 | helter | thx karsten i did it. |
| 10:25.19 | tarzeau | can awk do inplace operation too, like sed -i ? |
| 10:25.35 | helter | I dont know yet if it works cos I'm active right now ;-) but I'll let u know |
| 10:25.37 | karsten | !tell Red_Cloud about sarge->etch |
| 10:25.44 | donowho | karsten, thks a lot. have fun. |
| 10:25.54 | karsten | tarzeau: Not AFAIK. |
| 10:25.55 | Red_Cloud | karsten OK I was leaving out the - |
| 10:26.00 | tarzeau | karsten: pity... |
| 10:26.08 | karsten | Red_Cloud: I guessed right the first time ;-) |
| 10:26.08 | phobo | leri: awesome, worked an absolute treat |
| 10:26.16 | Red_Cloud | !tell Red_Cloud about sarge->etch |
| 10:26.18 | karsten | tarzeau: awk < file > file.tmp && mv file.tmp file |
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| 10:27.26 | phobo | is there a easy way to test imap login at command line? like i just to want to test i can log in, and list folders, sort of thing? like the equivilent of smbclient |
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| 10:27.41 | phobo | (using courierimap as server) |
| 10:28.02 | karsten | phobo: offlineimap, perhaps. |
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| 10:28.19 | linuxdev | hi all, will i get a screenshot when i cat /dev/fb0? |
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| 10:28.40 | resiak | !screenshot |
| 10:28.41 | dpkg | rumour has it, screenshot is 'import -window root screenshot.jpg' (requires imagemagick), or The Gimp's 'acquire -> screenshot' feature. The package scrot does a nice job too, command line, date & size shot at and png format. or man xwd |
| 10:28.44 | jm_ | !imap cheat sheet |
| 10:28.44 | dpkg | 0 login username password, 1 examine inbox, 2 fetch 1 (body[header]), 3 fetch 1 (body[text]), 4 logout |
| 10:28.57 | phobo | or what about doing "telnet localhost 143" and knowing the right command, e.g. "LOGIN username password" ? |
| 10:29.00 | karsten | linuxdev: Interesting. NFC. |
| 10:29.23 | karsten | phobo: Sure. Or netcat. |
| 10:29.38 | phobo | karsten: any idea on the login command? |
| 10:29.50 | linuxdev | karsten: then how can i test whether framebuffer works well? |
| 10:29.54 | karsten | phobo: Should be covered in the IMAP spec. I believe it's an RFC. |
| 10:29.58 | karsten | linuxdev: NFC. |
| 10:30.50 | ivl | log ivl |
| 10:31.00 | liable | no thanks |
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| 10:33.24 | KursK | where can I check what went wrong when my own init script does not work? i added it with update-rc.d script defaults but it seems not to be executed |
| 10:33.32 | phobo | karsten: a001 LOGIN username password does the trick |
| 10:34.12 | karsten | phobo: Schwing. |
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| 10:34.16 | Jhair | KursK: maybe your script should log some output (e.g. to a file?), I don't know of another way to see the progress of a init script... |
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| 10:34.27 | Jhair | KursK: I think you can debug shell scripts somehow... |
| 10:34.31 | karsten | phobo: http://tinyurl.com/o4q3f |
| 10:34.39 | karsten | phobo: ... for RFCs related to IMAP. |
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| 10:35.11 | xoz_ | KursK: add a debug command in your script like echo something and use init 2 or whatever init number you configured it to run |
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| 10:35.43 | KursK | Jhair, mh okay...basically, the script does not work but does not seem to be executed during startup but good point, I will log the output to see if somwethng is wrong...with the order or so |
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| 10:36.03 | KursK | xoz_, okay...thanx...I'll try that! |
| 10:36.15 | Red_Cloud | !tell Red_Cloud about sarge->etch |
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| 10:37.40 | resiak | What... the... fuck... Time-limited trials of IRC clients? |
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| 10:38.02 | greench | bye all! 10x again for the help :P |
| 10:38.06 | kevix | resiak: why not use free software.... its free x-) |
| 10:38.26 | resiak | kevix: Particularly since this is a Free Software IRC channel... |
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| 10:39.27 | kevix | resiak: I have been suprised when you ask folks if they know what freesoftware is and they 'dont get it' x-) |
| 10:39.45 | Red_Cloud | Is anyone here using debian testing? I am trying to change to testing but whenever I go to update I get the message that I have a malformed line in my source.list. This would have to do with the security url. |
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| 10:40.29 | liable | looks like its for mac? |
| 10:40.38 | kevix | Red_Cloud: a malformed line has nothing to do with what is on the line. |
| 10:40.50 | xoz_ | Red_Cloud: if you have to ask this trivial question, you should not adventure with testing. stay with stable. |
| 10:40.56 | kevix | liable: snak? |
| 10:41.02 | liable | Red_Cloud: put the file on a paster |
| 10:41.05 | liable | kevix: yeah |
| 10:41.16 | TheWhom | hi ... I have a debian sarge system and try to get php4 working under apache 1.3 - php4-* and libapache-mod-php4 is installed, Addtype is set to php. however, php is not interpreted, instead, the server tries to give me the php sourcefile. what can I do? |
| 10:41.47 | kevix | liable: seems like if macos X is based on irc, they should be nice enought to include a bsd or linux irc client x-) |
| 10:42.06 | weasel00 | !exec |
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| 10:42.27 | streuner_ | TheWhom: read README.Debian (php4) |
| 10:42.39 | KursK | mh my scripts not even be executed... |
| 10:42.46 | TheWhom | streuner_: and where would I find that one? |
| 10:42.56 | kevix | TheWhom: /usr/share/doc/ files |
| 10:42.59 | liable | KursK: is it +x? |
| 10:43.13 | streuner_ | TheWhom: usual path for ALL docs are /usr/share/doc/<package> |
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| 10:43.29 | KursK | liable, it's an init script |
| 10:43.36 | liable | kevix: macos is based on irc? |
| 10:43.57 | liable | kevix: yes, and? |
| 10:43.57 | kevix | liable: x-) a slip of the finger... bsd. |
| 10:44.10 | liable | oh :) |
| 10:44.41 | kevix | liable: they should setup irc.mac.org or something |
| 10:44.57 | liable | kevix: can you run it by hand? if not, why should init be able to? |
| 10:45.25 | kevix | liable: huh? |
| 10:45.31 | liable | err |
| 10:45.37 | liable | KursK: ^^ |
| 10:45.42 | Red_Cloud | kevix, thanks. I had an extra space in the address that I had overlooked. All is well again. |
| 10:45.42 | weasel00 | im trying to compile a program and im getting an error running "exec ./configure --prefix=<blah blah blah>" errors out-> exec: 13: ./configure: Permission denied |
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| 10:45.51 | kevix | liable: are you talking to yourself again x-) |
| 10:46.04 | Red_Cloud | xoz, take a pill and relax |
| 10:46.08 | liable | as usual |
| 10:46.27 | TheWhom | that docfile is not helpful |
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| 10:46.39 | xoz_ | Red_Cloud: thanks fo the advice buddy. bark at your tree |
| 10:47.09 | liable | TheWhom: have you tried another browser? |
| 10:47.17 | Red_Cloud | xoz, it seems that people with an attitude are usually up in the middle of the night. Wonder why? |
| 10:47.22 | kevix | Red_Cloud: is was said that programmers introduce spelling mistakes into programs which accounts for may programming bugs. |
| 10:47.46 | TheWhom | liable: this is most certainly not a browser issue - the server sends the sourcefile, not the scripts output |
| 10:47.51 | rhalff_ | fuck: root@avalon:/V4# chown rhalff.users .* -R |
| 10:47.51 | rhalff_ | chown: changing ownership of `../proc/1/task/1': Operation not permitted |
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| 10:48.23 | kevix | xoz_: save time add me! |
| 10:48.45 | xoz_ | what's up with these people |
| 10:48.55 | liable | TheWhom: ok, i had a similar problem once.. |
| 10:49.32 | kevix | xoz_: dont refer to us as 'these people' we like to be called debianites! |
| 10:49.54 | xoz_ | kevix: how long have you been here? |
| 10:50.06 | kevix | xoz_: years! |
| 10:50.10 | petemc | eons |
| 10:50.30 | weasel00 | kevix : that meeting was on the 12th or 13th? |
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| 10:51.01 | kevix | weasel00: friday the 13th, right x-) |
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| 10:51.08 | kryl | hi |
| 10:51.11 | jnh-bitchx | lo |
| 10:51.19 | xoz_ | oh well. you must be contributing into debian development or just chatting for all these years? |
| 10:51.29 | kryl | does anyone can help me with that : http://pastebin.com/594159 |
| 10:51.29 | jnh-bitchx | Just playing with bitchx :) |
| 10:51.39 | weasel00 | kevix : wait a minute.. um.. today is friday the 10 o.O |
| 10:51.59 | kevix | xoz_: check out http://debian.home.pipeline.com |
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| 10:53.53 | kevix | !today |
| 10:53.53 | dpkg | from memory, today is the first day of the rest of your ......ackkkkk (*PLONK*). Hey, anyone know a good mortician? |
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| 10:55.14 | xoz_ | kevix: so what package are you maintaining? |
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| 10:56.13 | *** topic/#debian is PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg 2006 key | NOTE: this is NOT #ubuntu. | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | X.org: sid, etch and /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java |
| 10:56.49 | weedar | Is modconf not the reccomended way of removing unused modules? |
| 10:57.08 | kevix | xoz_: you must have read the book 'how to win friends and influence people on irc', not! |
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| 10:58.28 | weedar | or let me rephrase that: Why doesn't modconf let me disable a cdrom module and usb module on a computer that has neither? (it claims they are in use) |
| 10:58.45 | kevix | xoz_: when you know katie from wanna-build, we can talk x-) |
| 10:58.53 | fas3r | it's possible to modprobe a .o file ? |
| 10:59.27 | xoz_ | *plonk* |
| 10:59.40 | kevix | fas3r: use insmod xxxx.o or use modprobe xxxxx |
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| 10:59.46 | Sp4rKy | hi |
| 10:59.49 | xoz_ | fas3r: avoid insmod |
| 10:59.50 | concept10 | Anyone know where mouse pointer icons are stored in GNOME? |
| 10:59.55 | fas3r | kevix, thank a lot |
| 11:00.10 | Sp4rKy | please, anyone does know how read a .flv video under linux ? |
| 11:00.17 | xoz_ | !insmod |
| 11:00.17 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet?. Taunting Happy Fun Ball causes cancer |
| 11:00.27 | kevix | Sp4rKy: what find of file is that? |
| 11:00.54 | concept10 | Sp4rKy, try VLC, if VLC cant open it, it's not meant to be opened |
| 11:01.12 | Sp4rKy | kevix, it seems to be a flash video file |
| 11:01.39 | kevix | Sp4rKy: like shockwave ? |
| 11:01.40 | weasel00 | why would i be getting an "exec: 13: ./configure: permission denied" errors? |
| 11:02.11 | fas3r | anybody use acx100 driver ? i just want to know if it's necessary i active pcmcia support for pci device ( dwl-520+) |
| 11:02.12 | fas3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:02.18 | Sp4rKy | kevix , maybe |
| 11:02.20 | fas3r | if anybody have an idea |
| 11:02.26 | kevix | weasel00: what command did you use to get that? |
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| 11:03.03 | weasel00 | kevix : im trying to compile the settings for ldmud... |
| 11:03.34 | kevix | weasel00: you typed "./configure" ? |
| 11:04.35 | weasel00 | -bash: ./configure: Permission denied |
| 11:04.38 | Sp4rKy | concept10, vlc crash when i try to read it |
| 11:04.41 | weedar | I bet noone has a good answer for this one: During boot-.up the wlan0 interface seems to connect to 192.168.0.1 (_not_ my router) and gets a weird IP-adress (192.168.0.172) - Yet after I log in and do and ifdown/ifup it connects to the correct router and gets the correct IP-adress. |
| 11:05.25 | kevix | weasel00: do 'ls' on the files and the directory its in and see if its OWNED by you? |
| 11:05.52 | weasel00 | kevix : should be.. im doing everything as root lol |
| 11:06.01 | kevix | Sp4rKy: what does 'file xxxx' say |
| 11:06.14 | weedar | xoz_, c'mon...Gambling is fun for the entire family |
| 11:06.22 | james___ | Probably not executable for some reason or another |
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| 11:06.54 | fas3r | if i insmod or modprobe a module .. the log file is dmesg no ? |
| 11:06.57 | Sp4rKy | kevix says that it's data => videodefou.flv: data |
| 11:06.58 | xoz_ | weedar: try arranging the bootup so that your network will boot later. it must be premature loading of network script :). |
| 11:07.03 | Lukhas | hello |
| 11:07.38 | kevix | weasel00: what does 'head -1 configure' say ? |
| 11:07.58 | weasel00 | kevix : #! /bin/sh |
| 11:08.25 | kevix | weasel00: is that '#!/bin/sh' or '#! /bin/sh' ? |
| 11:09.07 | weasel00 | kevix : with the space |
| 11:09.13 | jm_ | what does file say? |
| 11:09.46 | Jhair | weasel00: wrong shebang |
| 11:10.12 | weasel00 | Jhair : ? |
| 11:10.15 | weedar | xoz_, the thought has crossed my mind. But all I can find in my /etc/rc2.d is S20wpasupplicant (which I made) which is the correct script;It first starts wpa_supplicant then runs ifup/ifdown |
| 11:10.49 | xoz_ | weedar: timing is important i think |
| 11:10.55 | kevix | weasel00: that would be THE error! |
| 11:11.13 | Lukhas | is it safe to restore /etc from a previous backup *before* re-installing debian, or should I wait until the first reboot ? |
| 11:11.14 | Jhair | weasel00: if I understand correctly you have a script with #! /bin/sh' |
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| 11:11.38 | linhh | hello |
| 11:11.47 | Jhair | weasel00: that string is also called shebang and it is invalid for the bash shell the correct one is '#!/bin/sh' |
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| 11:11.50 | weasel00 | kevix, Jhair : *grumble* how would i fix this? |
| 11:12.21 | kevix | weasel00: open the file with a text editor and remove it, then save. use vi, gedit, emacs, ... |
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| 11:12.53 | incorrect | i am looking for fairly simple network backup tool, any suggestions? |
| 11:12.54 | fas3r | i say that because i don't see anny thig in all log files ... what the problem .. |
| 11:13.47 | kevix | Lukhas: first install, because I can image the install scripts would not expect file to be in /etc and script would go crazy |
| 11:13.51 | weasel00 | Jhair : still there "exec: 13: ./configure: Permission denied" |
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| 11:14.05 | kevix | incorrect: tar ? |
| 11:14.19 | Lukhas | kevix: ok, thanks |
| 11:14.33 | weasel00 | Jhair : got it now |
| 11:14.37 | incorrect | kevix, network? i was thinking something liek bacula |
| 11:14.45 | incorrect | s/liek/like |
| 11:15.00 | Jhair | weasel00: I wasn't aware of your original problem hm. What does line 13 of your script say? |
| 11:15.06 | kevix | incorrect: you said SIMPLE. bacula is great but not simple x-) |
| 11:15.16 | incorrect | fair simple i said |
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| 11:15.31 | kevix | weasel00: if this was downlaoded, I'd report this as a bug. |
| 11:15.33 | weasel00 | Jhair : fixed it... had to re chmod configure =) |
| 11:15.36 | incorrect | doesn't appear to be rocket science, just wondered if what others people used, liked etc |
| 11:15.44 | Jhair | weasel00: alright, nice |
| 11:15.50 | weasel00 | Jhair : after fixing shebang =) |
| 11:16.10 | kevix | incorrect: have you tried 'apt-cache search backup' |
| 11:16.51 | Lukhas | rdiff-backup was nice, last time I tried |
| 11:16.53 | incorrect | kevix, i did, but that doesn't tell you, stuff like, oh i've been using 'X' for 3 years now, its never let me down etc ? |
| 11:17.09 | rhalff_ | since when does chown -R follow symlinks ? |
| 11:17.17 | kevix | incorrect: true enought x-) |
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| 11:18.01 | incorrect | kevix, thats the info im after, |
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| 11:18.24 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 11:18.25 | dpkg | popcon is probably the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 11:19.36 | tarzeau | hehe there's a package called "blas-test" |
| 11:19.44 | Jhair | rhalff_: it does? AFAIK the man page doesn't say anything about it... |
| 11:19.50 | tarzeau | german understanding people |
| 11:19.57 | tarzeau | might find it amusing |
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| 11:20.20 | DexterF | hi |
| 11:20.32 | rhalff_ | Jhair, I did /V4# chown rhalff.users .* -R , in the directory /V4 and chown'ed my entire filesystem |
| 11:20.51 | rhalff_ | Jhair, so it followed .. I guess, shit. |
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| 11:21.25 | DexterF | I'm planning to setup a file server with software raid5 and am looking for a distro that fits. debian stable comes to mind, question is, can debian install to a softraid directly? if so, will a netinst image suffice? |
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| 11:21.57 | tarzeau | DexterF: what about debian gnu/kfreebsd ? |
| 11:22.10 | tarzeau | DexterF: we run freebsd here because of filesystem performance issues |
| 11:22.24 | tarzeau | DexterF: several 5 TB, about 3000 users |
| 11:22.28 | azeem | tarzeau: please don't recommend unstable to people |
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| 11:22.44 | azeem | or at least explicitely mention it |
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| 11:23.03 | tarzeau | DexterF: it's not a stable debian release though |
| 11:23.43 | tarzeau | azeem: i will explicitely mention it. we used to have linux but for fileservice we had bad performance problems (nfs and smb mainly) |
| 11:23.58 | DexterF | performance is lower-ranking |
| 11:24.07 | tarzeau | DexterF: then stable is perfectly fine |
| 11:24.42 | DexterF | unless of course you tellme writing to the raid will perf at 5MB/s or so. |
| 11:24.52 | tarzeau | DexterF: don't worry, it's not that bad |
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| 11:25.12 | DexterF | ok. what about "install to softraid"? |
| 11:25.14 | tarzeau | DexterF: you'll only notice it with very much people and depending on the filesystem and if you use journaling ... |
| 11:25.19 | DexterF | incl. /boot and / ? |
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| 11:26.19 | DexterF | heh, in fact I'm the *only* user. I'm going raid mainly for the redundancy, I once got burnt by disk failure, hence... oh, and of course so I learn handling raid. |
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| 11:27.15 | azeem | you can't install GRUB on RAID directly, I think |
| 11:27.22 | azeem | so not having /boot on RAID might make sense |
| 11:27.31 | azeem | or was that LVM? |
| 11:27.40 | DexterF | ok, /boot is no problem. |
| 11:27.48 | azeem | maybe I should shut up on those enterprise issues I don't know about :) |
| 11:28.17 | DexterF | old disk, hdparm it to sleep after boot and netcat dd images should be safe |
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| 11:28.49 | Jhair | rhalff_: looking at the documentation there are two system calls chown(3p) and lchown(3p), the latter changes ownership of the link itself and the former the ownership of the linked file. The chown(1) man page says -P do not traverse any symbolic links (default).. hm. all this is a mess... |
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| 11:29.25 | Roey | hi!! |
| 11:29.27 | Roey | Anyone here experienced with the tor package for Debian? I run it (with 'sudo') and it says that /var/lib/tor must be owned by uid 0 (when in fact the debian tor package has already created a 'debian-tor' user and group for it). What |
| 11:29.31 | Roey | gives |
| 11:29.32 | Roey | ? |
| 11:30.21 | azeem | Roey: why with sudo? |
| 11:30.37 | azeem | weasel probably knows, if he's awake |
| 11:31.08 | rhalff_ | Jhair, I thought it was because of a symlink, but I did `chown .*` to also chown hidden files, only it also chowned recursively the '..' dir, one up... |
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| 11:31.22 | Roey | azeem: because then I don't have to su to root. |
| 11:32.06 | azeem | Roey: I mean, shouldn't tor run as your user? |
| 11:32.10 | azeem | not sure, I don't really use it |
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| 11:32.40 | Roey | alright |
| 11:32.45 | ytan | Raey: if u su 'debian-tor', what happen? |
| 11:32.47 | Roey | azeem: well thanks anyway :) |
| 11:32.58 | Roey | ytan: one sec. But why would that do anything? |
| 11:33.11 | Roey | ytan: prompts for pw |
| 11:33.12 | Roey | brb |
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| 11:35.06 | ytan | hmm... debian-tor's not a ture user.... |
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| 11:42.28 | weasel | Roey: it means you screwd up your var/lib/tor at some point in time |
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| 11:42.47 | weasel | Roey: most likely you tried to start tor directly, it whined and you decided that chowning random files in /var was a good idea |
| 11:42.55 | weasel | Roey: chown things back and it will all work. |
| 11:43.02 | weasel | Roey: chown -R debian-tor: /var/lib/tor |
| 11:43.55 | Roey | weasel: well I just installed the 'tor' package ;) |
| 11:44.01 | Roey | if anything it's the package maintainer who did that. |
| 11:44.21 | weasel | see, you're the second person to say this, but I just don't believe you. :) |
| 11:44.26 | Roey | ha ;) |
| 11:44.30 | weasel | var/lib/tor is chowned to debian-tor in postinst. |
| 11:44.31 | Roey | one sec. |
| 11:44.38 | Roey | ok |
| 11:44.45 | Roey | and I said it was debian-tor |
| 11:44.50 | weasel | also, removing the package and then installing it again of course does not help at all. |
| 11:44.55 | Roey | right. |
| 11:44.55 | Roey | well |
| 11:44.57 | Roey | purging maybe. |
| 11:45.02 | weasel | that would help. |
| 11:45.09 | weasel | as does simply fixing the ownership of var/lib/tor. |
| 11:45.15 | Roey | weasel: lemme see if I understand this correctly, then: |
| 11:45.50 | Roey | 06:25:29 ~ sudo ls -l /var/lib/tor -dl |
| 11:45.50 | Roey | drwx------ 2 debian-tor debian-tor 4096 2006-01-23 13:40 /var/lib/tor |
| 11:45.56 | weasel | that looks fine. |
| 11:45.58 | Roey | it should /not/ be debian-tor? |
| 11:46.13 | weasel | what without the -d? sudo ls -l /var/lib/tor |
| 11:46.13 | Roey | and the one file in that directory is also chowned debian-tor. |
| 11:46.21 | weasel | good |
| 11:46.27 | weasel | then start tor already. sudo /etc/init.d/tor start |
| 11:46.35 | Roey | 06:46:25 ~ sudo ls -l /var/lib/tor |
| 11:46.35 | Roey | total 1524 |
| 11:46.35 | Roey | -rw------- 1 debian-tor debian-tor 1556041 2006-01-23 13:40 cached-directory |
| 11:46.40 | Roey | weasel: ahhhhhh |
| 11:46.48 | Roey | weasel: I tried to start it with 'sudo tor' ;) |
| 11:46.51 | weasel | ah. sorry. I misread your error message |
| 11:46.54 | Roey | hehee |
| 11:46.58 | weasel | yes, that's the other problem. |
| 11:47.00 | Roey | weasel: so it's a service, got it. |
| 11:47.19 | weasel | I should patch tor to say 'don't do this, silly' when people start it as root :) |
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| 11:47.22 | Roey | 06:46:27 ~ sudo /etc/init.d/tor start |
| 11:47.22 | Roey | Starting tor daemon: tor... |
| 11:47.22 | Roey | Mar 10 06:47:10.181 [notice] Tor v0.1.0.17. This is experimental software. Do not rely on it for strong anonymity. |
| 11:47.22 | Roey | done. |
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| 11:47.32 | Roey | hehe |
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| 11:47.43 | TCW | re |
| 11:48.08 | chrisq | anyone using postfix+sasl? i cant get it to use saslauthd |
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| 11:48.46 | weasel | weasel@asteria:~$ grep sasl /etc/fstab |
| 11:48.46 | weasel | /var/run/saslauthd /var/spool/postfix/var/run/saslauthd bind bind 0 0 |
| 11:48.57 | weasel | bind mount saslauthd's run directory into postfix's chroot |
| 11:49.04 | chrisq | stracing the smtpd process only shows me it trying to access sasl2db |
| 11:49.15 | chrisq | weasel: i turned off chroot |
| 11:49.19 | weasel | weasel@asteria:~$ cat /etc/postfix/sasl/smtpd.conf |
| 11:49.20 | weasel | pwcheck_method:saslauthd |
| 11:49.20 | weasel | mech_list: LOGIN PLAIN |
| 11:49.41 | TCW | http://pastebin.com/594222 <- I tried to enable a recycle-bin within samba like this in the [global] section, in general it works but it seems to ignore my wishes. The trash is not called "trash" (it is called ,recycle) and it does not keep the directory structure. Any hints? Btw. #samba is sleeping |
| 11:49.50 | chrisq | weasel: check_method: saslauthd |
| 11:49.50 | chrisq | mech_list: plain login |
| 11:49.50 | chrisq | saslauthd_path: /var/run/saslauthd/mux |
| 11:50.28 | weasel | chrisq: what would you like saslauthd to use? ldap, pam, ...? |
| 11:50.32 | chrisq | weasel: i see you have pwcheck_method |
| 11:50.46 | chrisq | and i use check_method: |
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| 11:50.52 | weasel | chrisq: well, change it :) |
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| 11:51.07 | chrisq | weasel: i'm using ldap,works with testsasld |
| 11:51.22 | chrisq | weasel: weird that postfix didnt complain.. |
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| 11:51.32 | weasel | then you should all be set now |
| 11:52.09 | zignig | bleh! |
| 11:52.39 | chrisq | weasel: heh, yeah i was, thanks :) |
| 11:52.41 | weasel | great |
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| 11:52.49 | weasel | now make the bind mount and enable the chrooting again |
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| 11:53.10 | ^Chance- | Hello, Is it possible to install debian on a remote box withouth being at the box ? |
| 11:53.17 | jm_ | ^Chance-: yes |
| 11:53.20 | ^Chance- | how ? |
| 11:53.27 | chrisq | weasel: weasel yeah that bindmount is a good idea |
| 11:53.29 | jm_ | read about using debootstrap in installation manual |
| 11:53.29 | weasel | with lots of network and admin magic |
| 11:53.39 | ^Chance- | jm where ? |
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| 11:53.46 | weasel | chrisq: I know, that's why I came up with it :) |
| 11:53.49 | jm_ | ^Chance-: www.debian.org |
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| 11:53.57 | mynullvoid | hi all |
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| 11:54.06 | ^Chance- | i have an installed system on it a suse and i want to change it and install debian |
| 11:54.10 | ^Chance- | can it be still done ? |
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| 11:54.25 | weasel | do you have a "rescue system" that you can boot? |
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| 11:54.45 | nimeni0 | where can i find the minimum installation cd ? so i can build a server |
| 11:55.01 | mynullvoid | I got the crontab command: * * * * 1,2,3,4,5 /usr/sbin/azsto >> /dev/null 2>&1 but how can I make the cron only runs from 08:00 until 18:00 every minutes from monday to friday? |
| 11:55.03 | ^Chance- | weasel i can boot the box in rescue mod |
| 11:55.05 | jm_ | yes, you run debootstrap from within existing system |
| 11:55.15 | jm_ | mynullvoid: man 5 crontab |
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| 11:56.42 | ^Chance- | jm_ where is that debootstrap ? |
| 11:56.46 | ^Chance- | i can't find it |
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| 11:58.17 | Staindeye | hey dunners |
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| 11:58.33 | Dunners | sup brother |
| 11:58.37 | jm_ | ^Chance-: installation manual will tell you where to download it from |
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| 12:00.04 | ^Chance- | where is that manual i am sayign can't find it |
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| 12:00.49 | mx | hello |
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| 12:05.19 | ^Chance- | jm_ so ? |
| 12:05.33 | valdyn | !ig |
| 12:05.33 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
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| 12:09.07 | ^Chance- | will i be able to state my partition size when i reinstall that way ? |
| 12:09.27 | jm_ | you create partitions and file systems manually, you can do whatever you want |
| 12:09.27 | ^Chance- | like each partition what size to have etc... |
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| 12:09.56 | ^Chance- | jm_ can i msg you |
| 12:09.57 | ^Chance- | ? |
| 12:10.24 | jm_ | ^Chance-: no ask here |
| 12:10.32 | Roey | weasel: hello again |
| 12:10.51 | ^Chance- | jm what i have read there is that i need to create a temp partition |
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| 12:11.02 | Roey | ah! so you ARE Peter Palfrader, tor's debian package maintainer! |
| 12:11.19 | ^Chance- | do i have to delete all my existing ones for that ? |
| 12:11.40 | citral | hello, can I export the /dev/cdrom of one computer over my lan ? |
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| 12:11.46 | Roey | weasel: I read a couple of articles on tor, but I didn't find out if it is possible to make a tor0 device that I can manipulate via ifconfig. Is there one? |
| 12:11.48 | jm_ | ^Chance-: it's entirelly up to you what you want to do, as for temporary stuff, you can always convert it to swap later on |
| 12:12.10 | ^Chance- | i am really not sure about this |
| 12:12.17 | ^Chance- | where can i see an example ? |
| 12:12.39 | jm_ | installation guide, google for debootstrap, lots of docs/examples out there |
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| 12:13.04 | ^Chance- | ok |
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| 12:14.06 | citral | I have datas on my laptop (without burner) that I would like to burn on another computer, without tranferring the datas to the disk before |
| 12:14.30 | jm_ | citral: you could burn over nfs/smbfs, but be sure to use burnfree/burnproof |
| 12:15.11 | citral | jm_: I have then to mount the /dev of the burner tower to my laptop right ? |
| 12:16.12 | jm_ | citral: no, you would export files on laptop and then read them where CD burner is |
| 12:16.52 | jm_ | citral: alternatively, you could do it in the other direction with packet writing, but that's a tad more complicated |
| 12:17.03 | citral | oh yeah got it. I already export from the other side so it's a bit curious to export from the two sides |
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| 12:17.41 | citral | I'll look for packet writing |
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| 12:19.28 | jm_ | 2.6.15 supports it, not sure when this was added, but it was after 2.6.10 |
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| 12:25.31 | citral | I just read I can also make a fifo and burn via ftp, that should do it at 8x maybe |
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| 12:29.06 | donjoevanni | hello |
| 12:29.39 | DexterF | can one safely put swap on a raid or will that slow down performance? |
| 12:30.07 | donjoevanni | i have problem to booting into linux, could someone help me? |
| 12:30.21 | azeem | donjoevanni: what's the problem exactly? |
| 12:30.38 | donjoevanni | well, my brother runs a school's server... |
| 12:30.47 | donjoevanni | and I try to help him |
| 12:31.01 | donjoevanni | we have upgraded Woody recently to Sarge... |
| 12:31.29 | donjoevanni | and after that Samba doesn't work at all |
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| 12:31.44 | donjoevanni | then one of our colleague helped us out... |
| 12:31.48 | azeem | is that a different problem to "booting into linxu"? |
| 12:31.54 | azeem | ha |
| 12:32.00 | donjoevanni | and changed glibc to libc |
| 12:32.10 | azeem | eh? |
| 12:32.24 | donjoevanni | then the system gives an error and reboots |
| 12:32.29 | azeem | what exactly did he do? |
| 12:32.42 | donjoevanni | installed the libc packeage instead of glibc |
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| 12:32.55 | jm_ | there's no glibc package |
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| 12:33.08 | azeem | there's no libc package, either |
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| 12:33.13 | jm_ | indeed |
| 12:33.32 | Jhair | donjoevanni: if you changed the C library without knowing what you were doing, probably you just destroyed your system |
| 12:33.38 | azeem | donjoevanni: boot a LiveCD, mount the file system, check /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 12:33.39 | donjoevanni | well we get the following error while boot: |
| 12:34.36 | donjoevanni | init: error while loading share libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 12:34.57 | weissi | wow! |
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| 12:35.10 | donjoevanni | however, it's in /lib |
| 12:35.22 | azeem | donjoevanni: you need to find out what exactly he did |
| 12:35.34 | donjoevanni | I will ask him.. |
| 12:35.46 | donjoevanni | now, I have started a system from live cd |
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| 12:35.56 | donjoevanni | and it mounted the partitions |
| 12:36.13 | donjoevanni | so I can do something if you might have ideas |
| 12:36.15 | azeem | ok, then see whether you get hints from [mountpoint]/var/log/dpkg.log, if it exists |
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| 12:36.32 | azeem | paste it on a pastebin if you want |
| 12:36.34 | azeem | !paster |
| 12:36.34 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 12:36.39 | jm_ | reinstall libc6 package |
| 12:36.47 | azeem | jm_: it's a live cd |
| 12:36.47 | Glanzmann | Is there an IRC channel related to running linux on mac mini (the new one) |
| 12:36.55 | jm_ | azeem: how does that matter? |
| 12:36.57 | azeem | Glanzmann: I don't know, I doubt it |
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| 12:37.11 | azeem | jm_: how do you instal packages then? |
| 12:37.18 | jm_ | azeem: chroot? |
| 12:37.21 | azeem | you cannot chroot into it obviously, as glibc is borked |
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| 12:37.28 | azeem | unless you use a statically linked shell |
| 12:37.31 | jm_ | azeem: ar x ... |
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| 12:37.41 | azeem | jm_: that's not install |
| 12:37.48 | jm_ | yes, I keep forgetting about that since I keep busybox-static installed |
| 12:37.56 | jm_ | blah call it whatever you want |
| 12:38.01 | Jhair | donjoevanni: if I were you I would reinstall the whole thing, and recover the important data from the backup |
| 12:38.18 | azeem | heh, just pointing it out, you'd need to give further guidance than just "install foo" in this case |
| 12:38.21 | donjoevanni | now I have restarted that PC with the school's drive... |
| 12:38.26 | azeem | Jhair: let's not give up just yet |
| 12:38.35 | azeem | donjoevanni: did you check dpkg.log? |
| 12:38.44 | Jhair | azeem: :) |
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| 12:38.53 | jm_ | sure, I can help him with that, done that before |
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| 12:38.59 | donjoevanni | azeem: as soon as I have restarted that PC |
| 12:39.06 | donjoevanni | mc |
| 12:39.13 | azeem | ok |
| 12:39.15 | Brinx | i have a problema with my aic7xxx scsi card... |
| 12:39.16 | tarzeau | streuner1: got my pci ids? |
| 12:39.23 | Brinx | i cant load the correct module... |
| 12:39.36 | Brinx | what can i do to install debian ? |
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| 12:40.52 | jm_ | haven't they added dpkg logging in version 1.13, i.e. after Sarge? |
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| 12:41.08 | joefso3 | hello |
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| 12:41.25 | donjoevanni | azeem: unfortunately, there is no dpkg.log |
| 12:41.28 | azeem | right |
| 12:41.35 | azeem | jm_: ah, right. I read "updated from foo to bar" as sarge->testing |
| 12:41.44 | Brinx | i have a DELL powerEdge 1425 with a scsi card Adaptec (aic7xxx) |
| 12:41.51 | Brinx | i would install debian |
| 12:41.52 | azeem | donjoevanni: ok, then see /usr/share/doc/libc6/changelog.Debian.gz |
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| 12:41.58 | azeem | donjoevanni: what does the first line say? |
| 12:41.59 | joefso3 | How does XGL work? |
| 12:42.01 | Brinx | but i cant see... the HD |
| 12:42.11 | lotas | hi girls |
| 12:42.17 | Jhair | uh? |
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| 12:42.29 | donjoevanni | okay I'm look after that |
| 12:42.30 | Trevis | hi @ all. hallo zusammen |
| 12:42.33 | lotas | ó íå ìóäàêè ïîìåíÿëè íà ðóñêèé è ïèøèòå |
| 12:42.41 | tarzeau | !de |
| 12:42.41 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 12:42.46 | lotas | ô ïèäå |
| 12:42.49 | Trevis | thx |
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| 12:45.00 | DexterF | can a softraid5 be extended by adding new disks? |
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| 12:45.19 | donjoevanni | azeem: glibc (2.3.2.ds1-22) unstable; urgency=medium |
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| 12:46.46 | EmleyMoor | I'm trying to get obexftp-0.19 compiled but am encountering a problem at the ./configure stage... |
| 12:47.14 | EmleyMoor | Checking for Python include path hangs (initially it did say /usr/include/python |
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| 12:47.22 | azeem | donjoevanni: what kind of livecd are you running? |
| 12:47.24 | EmleyMoor | not found, so I added a symlink) |
| 12:47.36 | donjoevanni | azeem: sorry, I have closed the channel window now I can see again your messages |
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| 12:48.00 | EmleyMoor | I am trying to install this on a stable system |
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| 12:48.23 | azeem | EmleyMoor: is obexftp really python? |
| 12:48.34 | EmleyMoor | Ah - now got error: cannot find python include path |
| 12:48.53 | EmleyMoor | azeem: It needs the python include path - it is searching for it when configuring |
| 12:48.57 | donjoevanni | azeem: it's an UHU Linux (a Hungarian distribution :) |
| 12:49.06 | azeem | donjoevanni: is it Debian based? |
| 12:49.24 | donjoevanni | I don't know... |
| 12:49.30 | azeem | EmleyMoor: maybe you can disable the python stuff with --disable-python or so? Or is it essential? |
| 12:49.34 | tarzeau | donjoevanni: type apt-get and see what happens |
| 12:49.36 | azeem | donjoevanni: try to run 'debsums' |
| 12:49.46 | EmleyMoor | azeem: I will try that in a few minutes |
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| 12:50.00 | azeem | EmleyMoor: run ./configure --help to see the available options |
| 12:50.03 | Jhair | if it has changelog.Debian.gz then should be Debian based... |
| 12:50.08 | snail | anyone know the timescale for getting a new GPG out for debian stable? |
| 12:50.28 | EmleyMoor | snail: Why does stable need a new gpg? |
| 12:50.41 | donjoevanni | it's doesn't find this command |
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| 12:50.54 | snail | EmleyMoor: http://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-announce/2006q1/000216.html |
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| 12:51.51 | EmleyMoor | Ah - security issue - I would think "as soon as possible" in that case |
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| 12:52.23 | azeem | snail: it's being worked on I think |
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| 12:53.26 | donjoevanni | azeem: there is no demsums command |
| 12:53.33 | donjoevanni | debsums |
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| 12:53.52 | azeem | donjoevanni: ok |
| 12:54.20 | azeem | donjoevanni: I suggest doing the following then: |
| 12:54.25 | azeem | 1. download http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/glibc/libc6_2.3.2.ds1-22_i386.deb |
| 12:54.46 | snail | azeem: thanks |
| 12:55.03 | azeem | 2. extract it in the mounted partition, via dpkg-deb -x libc6_2.3.2.ds1-22_i386.deb [mount-point] |
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| 12:55.57 | EmleyMoor | azeem: disabling python is allowed - I will have to see if it impairs use in any way but if not, :-) |
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| 12:57.03 | EmleyMoor | Oh hell - error compiling tcl_wrap.c |
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| 12:57.30 | azeem | EmleyMoor: maybe you should explain why you need to compile it in the first place |
| 12:57.44 | donjoevanni | azeem: thanks, I'm wonking on it... |
| 12:57.46 | EmleyMoor | azeem: Need a version with USB support |
| 12:57.49 | donjoevanni | working |
| 12:58.28 | EmleyMoor | Problem seems to be tcl.h missing |
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| 12:59.34 | azeem | EmleyMoor: did you try apt-get build-dep obexftp? |
| 13:00.04 | EmleyMoor | No but trying that now |
| 13:01.18 | EmleyMoor | Installing what's actually needed in my case out of that lot |
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| 13:02.13 | EmleyMoor | (as I don't have bluetooth and need openobex-1.2 which I have already installed) |
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| 13:07.41 | EmleyMoor | Damn - still failing |
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| 13:09.18 | EmleyMoor | Anyone familiar with compiling obexftp? |
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| 13:12.12 | donjoevanni | azeem: libc is now extracted - reboot? :) |
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| 13:12.20 | azeem | donjoevanni: good luck |
| 13:12.29 | donjoevanni | finger crossed :) |
| 13:12.38 | jm_ | donjov;maybe first chroot into it and see if it works and possibly use dpkg -i to install it |
| 13:12.46 | jm_ | to reinstall it that is |
| 13:12.52 | azeem | jm_: good point :) |
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| 13:13.22 | donjoevanni | okay try to chroot into it... |
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| 13:15.05 | donjoevanni | jm: how can I check it after chrooted into it? |
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| 13:15.19 | azeem | donjoevanni: try to run ls or cd or so |
| 13:15.20 | jm_ | donjoevanni: well if chroot works then you're mostly OK I guess |
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| 13:15.50 | gypsymauro | hello |
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| 13:16.16 | gypsymauro | there is a free web disk service? (I know about gmail fs but I need something better) |
| 13:16.19 | donjoevanni | azeem + jm_ : thanks, my fingers are crossed :) |
| 13:16.37 | [A60]Ritrav | is there a way to have my server automatically reboot when the kernel panics/dumps? |
| 13:16.42 | unlearn | hello why all the hype about ubuntu on the net? |
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| 13:16.54 | jm_ | [A60]Ritrav: check watchdog kernel option(s) |
| 13:16.55 | unlearn | isn't debian the real original distro? |
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| 13:17.09 | azeem | unlearn: this is the wrong channel to discuss thi |
| 13:17.14 | unlearn | k |
| 13:17.40 | [A60]Ritrav | jm_: what should I man / google for that? |
| 13:18.03 | jm_ | [A60]Ritrav: read stuff in Documentation/watchdog |
| 13:18.09 | zignig | [A60]Ritrav: you'll need a watch dog card , or find out what's crashing it and fix it. |
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| 13:21.14 | xoz_ | [A60]Ritrav: better to solve the reboot problem rather than addressing its symptom |
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| 13:22.54 | jm_ | you mean panic problem? |
| 13:22.56 | [A60]Ritrav | xoz_: i have a kernel crash problem that is very random and the server is remote..and i can't do anything with it remotely when it crashes |
| 13:23.21 | EmleyMoor | I've put my problem with obexftp on the openobex forum - but if anyone here is familiar with compiling obexftp and can advise why it is failing, seemingly missing tcl.h, I would much appreciate it |
| 13:23.32 | donjoevanni | azeem + jm_ : yesss!!! thanks guys! |
| 13:24.02 | azeem | donjoevanni: great |
| 13:24.20 | azeem | donjoevanni: now write "I will not much around with glibc again, ever" 100 times :) |
| 13:24.24 | azeem | s/much/muck/ |
| 13:24.27 | xoz_ | [A60]Ritrav: there is a software watchdog. guess what is the name of the package |
| 13:24.47 | EmleyMoor | xoz: alsatian? |
| 13:24.54 | donjoevanni | azeem: is that possible that glibc caused samba not to work? |
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| 13:25.08 | donjoevanni | :) |
| 13:25.10 | azeem | donjoevanni: hrm |
| 13:25.28 | azeem | donjoevanni: samba didn't work before that guys messed with glibc, right? |
| 13:25.29 | donjoevanni | smbd just doesn't loaded |
| 13:25.40 | donjoevanni | yes |
| 13:25.45 | jm_ | you can check its logfile or increase debug level to figure it out |
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| 13:26.23 | donjoevanni | once again, thanks guys! |
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| 13:27.17 | [A60]Ritrav | are the debian kernels built with a watchdog module that i can load? |
| 13:27.26 | Glanzmann | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:27.38 | estrar | were can I find the .ini file for php? |
| 13:27.39 | jm_ | [A60]Ritrav: check the config file |
| 13:27.45 | estrar | for config.. |
| 13:27.47 | [A60]Ritrav | jm_: reading it and the man file now |
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| 13:28.46 | useruser | estrar: /etc/php4/ or similar |
| 13:28.57 | jm_ | [A60]Ritrav: CONFIG_SOFT_WATCHDOG, then there's CONFIG_HANGCHECK_TIMER |
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| 13:29.14 | donjoevanni | azeem + jm_: now, I put back the drive to the server and try it out, if samba might dno't work, then as Arnie told: "I'll be back..." ;) |
| 13:29.14 | estrar | useruser, I'll test it. thanx |
| 13:29.23 | [A60]Ritrav | jm_: but ill have to compile my own kernel? |
| 13:29.34 | jm_ | [A60]Ritrav: not if Debian's kernel supports this |
| 13:30.08 | xoz_ | [A60]Ritrav: /lib/modules/<kernelversion>kernel/drivers/char/watchdog |
| 13:30.31 | jm_ | 2.6.8-2-686 has it enabled |
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| 13:30.48 | zignig | [A60]Ritrav: the other option is to get remote power control , like an APC master switch. |
| 13:31.07 | [A60]Ritrav | zignig: yeah working on that..:) |
| 13:31.12 | [A60]Ritrav | this watchdog is going to be a temp solution |
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| 13:33.40 | EmleyMoor | Well, nowt for it I'm afraid - I will have to go into Windows for the moment to carry out some maintenance on my phone :-( |
| 13:33.45 | Miesco | Im having problems with Python on sarge... it doesn't work |
| 13:33.55 | Miesco | Can I reinstall it somehow? |
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| 13:34.49 | Miesco | Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/transgaming_cedega/Point2Play_gui.py", line 2668, in ? config_file_to_use = str("cedega_" + Point2Play_ref.default_winex) TypeError: cannot concatenate 'str' and 'NoneType' objects |
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| 13:39.21 | Miesco | Im doing this: |
| 13:39.26 | Miesco | dpkg --force-all --purge python |
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| 13:40.56 | donjoevanni | hello, again! :) |
| 13:41.15 | donjoevanni | there is some problem with install locales... |
| 13:42.08 | donjoevanni | the file is: locales_2.3.2.ds1-22_all |
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| 13:42.40 | prg | does anyone know about the clips programming language ? |
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| 13:42.54 | xoz_ | clisp |
| 13:42.56 | donjoevanni | perl: warning: setting locale failed |
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| 13:43.11 | azeem | donjoevanni: that's a warning |
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| 13:43.29 | djp | can anyone help me out with getting a webcam to work under debian sarge 3.1? it appears that i have not /dev/video0 or something like that... |
| 13:43.42 | Sp4rKy | anyone does know how read a .flv file ? (vlc doesn't ) |
| 13:43.59 | jm_ | Sp4rKy: sounds like flash video, try mplayer |
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| 13:44.04 | donjoevanni | azeem: tells me to check when my locales are supported and installed |
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| 13:44.29 | Sp4rKy | jm_, i'll try , thx |
| 13:44.40 | Coweater | i'm doing a software raid installation on sarge and it's failing on the ext3 creation on the raid device |
| 13:44.43 | aleph0 | I'm having performance issues that I can't track down. I was wondering if any of you had any idas.... intermittantly my webserver slows to a crawl and 'top' shows a hight numer in I/O wait. 'mytop' (essentially a 'top# for mysql) shows lot' |
| 13:44.52 | aleph0 | lots of queries in waiting... |
| 13:45.03 | Sp4rKy | jm_, doesn't work :( |
| 13:45.12 | jm_ | Sp4rKy: where did you get it? |
| 13:45.16 | donjoevanni | azeem: then tells: "falling back to the standard locale ("C")" |
| 13:45.24 | aleph0 | I thought I was the HDD. but I changed it, and I'm still having the same problems |
| 13:45.57 | aleph0 | what can be causing a high I/O wait (in 'top') apart from a broken HDD? |
| 13:46.05 | donjoevanni | azeem: "localedef: invalid option --A" |
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| 13:46.43 | azeem | donjoevanni: dpkg-reconfigure locales and choose the one it complains about I think |
| 13:46.48 | Sp4rKy | jm_, from http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVI6xw9Zph8 |
| 13:47.09 | donjoevanni | azeem: Errors were encountered while processing: locales |
| 13:47.16 | jm_ | Sp4rKy: hmm browser is playing it |
| 13:47.19 | petemc | Sp4rKy: theres plenty of guides on the web telling you how to convert youtube videos |
| 13:48.18 | Miesco | How do I remove python version 2.3.5-2 NOT 2.3.5-3? |
| 13:48.29 | donjoevanni | azeem: "dpkg-reconfigure: locales is broken or not fully installed" |
| 13:49.02 | aleph0 | anyone? |
| 13:49.25 | Sp4rKy | jm_, browser yes, but not other woft |
| 13:49.30 | Sp4rKy | petemc, i'll look , thx |
| 13:49.35 | jm_ | Sp4rKy: well tell me how to download it and I can try |
| 13:49.51 | azeem | donjoevanni: check the version number, then do apt-get install --reinstall locales I guess |
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| 13:51.26 | donjoevanni | azeem: do I need to have anything berfore that in /etc/environment? |
| 13:51.38 | azeem | not sure |
| 13:52.00 | azeem | your #1 priority should be to get locales installed properly again |
| 13:52.01 | jm_ | donjoevanni: you can always unset all related variables if it;s casuing problems |
| 13:52.07 | azeem | then you can bother with configuring it |
| 13:52.14 | donjoevanni | so it can be empty? |
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| 13:52.56 | donjoevanni | okay, thanks I'll do it... |
| 13:53.01 | xoz_ | donjoevanni: if it is empty, it reverts to C or POSIX i think |
| 13:53.20 | djp | how do i get a webcam working that requires the spca5xx driver under debian 3.1 sarge? |
| 13:53.50 | jm_ | djp: find/compile a kernel that has that driver first |
| 13:53.59 | Eulex | djp, modprobe the driver and start an app that supports v4l input. |
| 13:54.16 | estrar | Package mysql is not available, but is referred to by another package. Me wants! |
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| 13:55.05 | xoz_ | estrar: myql-server/client-5.0/4.1 |
| 13:55.21 | estrar | wokey. |
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| 13:55.35 | Eulex | djp, ah, sorry, spca5xx aren't in the stock kernels, as far as I can see. you gotta compile it first. |
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| 13:55.58 | Miesco | I think I got more then one version of python installed via packages, what do I do |
| 13:56.09 | djp | Eulex when i start an app, say xawtv, it tell s me /dev/video0 does not exist |
| 13:56.15 | jm_ | Miesco: you don't have to do anything, they can coexist |
| 13:56.46 | Eulex | estrar, it's quite likely a virtual package, ie other packages provide the package mysql. get a package that provides mysql, and don't guess package names (/msg dpkg search) |
| 13:56.49 | Miesco | jm_: Then why does python always get errors compilin stuff |
| 13:56.53 | Miesco | Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/transgaming_cedega/Point2Play_gui.py", line 2668, in ? config_file_to_use = str("cedega_" + Point2Play_ref.default_winex) TypeError: cannot concatenate 'str' and 'NoneType' objects |
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| 13:56.58 | djp | jm_, how do i do that? compile a kernel with the driver? |
| 13:57.00 | jm_ | Miesco: well you possibly need to use particular version |
| 13:57.01 | Miesco | jm_: See |
| 13:57.04 | Eulex | djp, then you need a driver. |
| 13:57.11 | Miesco | jm_: How do I do that? |
| 13:57.26 | abrotman | Miesco: that has nothing to do with two versions .. that either means you're not using the right python .. or your code stinks |
| 13:57.34 | djp | Eulex, i have the driver but do not know how to compile the kernel |
| 13:57.34 | jm_ | Miesco: start your python apps using the right interpreter, say python-2.4 instead of python and so on |
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| 13:57.41 | estrar | yall right.. |
| 13:57.42 | Eulex | djp, you don |
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| 13:58.03 | Eulex | djp, you don't have to compile it. you just need to compile the spca5xx kernel module. |
| 13:58.03 | jm_ | djp: well driver docs should tell you how to do it, perhaps it only needs kernel-headers and you running make |
| 13:58.06 | zinx | Miesco: that looks like a problem with the program you're trying to use... |
| 13:58.16 | xoz_ | Miesco: check what specific version it should be compiled and the dependencies. you compile something, better be ready dirtying your hands. |
| 13:58.39 | xoz_ | Miesco: what is the program you want to compile? |
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| 13:58.47 | Miesco | cedega5.1 |
| 13:58.54 | Miesco | Wait |
| 13:59.07 | itachi-uo | hi pple im having a trouble with my spamassassin Cannot write to /nonexistent/.spamassassin/user_pref not such file or directory how ever on /root/ directory that already exist how can i resolv this problem, ? |
| 13:59.11 | Miesco | /usr/lib/transgaming_cedega/Point2Play_gui.py |
| 13:59.16 | Miesco | That file |
| 13:59.27 | Miesco | This file: /usr/lib/transgaming_cedega/Point2Play_gui.py |
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| 13:59.43 | xoz_ | Miesco: have you made sure all the necessary libs/deps are installed? |
| 13:59.50 | Sp4rKy | jm_, petemc it works , i've convert it to mpeg , thx :) |
| 13:59.54 | Miesco | xoz: How do I do that? |
| 13:59.54 | PerfDave | Do you compile Python? |
| 14:00.33 | Sp4rKy | no |
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| 14:00.52 | djp | jm_, am trying that but get the message... make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/build: No such file or directory. Stop. make: *** [default] Error 2 |
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| 14:01.23 | Miesco | xoz: http://pastebin.ca/45129 |
| 14:01.24 | xoz_ | Miesco: check the INSTALL note of cedega |
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| 14:01.49 | jm_ | djp: you need kernel-headers for your kernel |
| 14:01.52 | Eulex | djp, get the kernel headers for your kernel |
| 14:02.14 | djp | will do |
| 14:02.20 | Miesco | xoz: Thats what apt-get gives me |
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| 14:02.52 | xoz_ | Miesco: well, before you try installing cedega, you better fix that thing |
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| 14:03.16 | xoz_ | Miesco: are you root? |
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| 14:03.36 | xoz_ | Miesco: seems you have no permission |
| 14:03.44 | c01001 | hi |
| 14:03.54 | Miesco | xoz: Im a sudoer |
| 14:04.05 | nvz | c01001: not yet, but I am working on it. |
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| 14:04.22 | xoz_ | Miesco: try sudo apt-get -f install |
| 14:04.24 | Miesco | sudo apt-get -f install |
| 14:04.29 | Miesco | Thats what I did do |
| 14:04.33 | Miesco | When I pasted that |
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| 14:04.35 | Nate1975 | I'm having trouble installing python2.4-minimal.....I get the following error message: "Compiling /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/foomatic/IPy.py ... |
| 14:04.35 | Nate1975 | Sorry: MemoryError: ()" |
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| 14:04.42 | Nate1975 | anybody know what's up with this? |
| 14:04.51 | xoz_ | Miesco: nope. i didn't see the sudi |
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| 14:05.08 | xoz_ | Miesco: [shawn@debian Steam]$ apt-get -f install |
| 14:05.27 | Eulex | xoz, look below. [shawn@debian Steam]$ sudo apt-get -f install |
| 14:05.40 | xoz_ | ok |
| 14:05.41 | debiankid | no1 can readme ? |
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| 14:06.28 | Miesco | xoz: Weird, but I still get the same thing if I use sudo |
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| 14:08.42 | beanz | How does Debian decide to generate an ssh private key on boot? |
| 14:08.45 | Miesco | xoz: DO you know what I should do? |
| 14:08.47 | xoz_ | Miesco: try dpkg --force-all --install /var/cache/apt/archives/<each python deb> |
| 14:09.39 | djp | jm_, Eulex, get the following message insmod: error inserting 'spca5xx.ko': -1 Invalid module format |
| 14:09.43 | GoAuLd | force is not a good way to have a clean system |
| 14:09.52 | xoz_ | Miesco: or try for i in `ls /var/cache/apt/archives/*`; do dpkg --install --force-all $i; done |
| 14:10.01 | zinx | ... |
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| 14:10.20 | xoz_ | GoAuLd: yep, but his sytem is not clean |
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| 14:10.34 | Miesco | syntax error near unexpected token `do' |
| 14:11.13 | zinx | don't do it, anyway.. |
| 14:11.24 | zinx | remove qtorrent |
| 14:11.45 | tarzeau | xoz_: dpkg -i *.deb ? |
| 14:11.48 | xoz_ | Miesco: cd /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 14:11.52 | marcus__ | im looking to install kde on debian sarche but apt-get istall kde won't do what it should, and the dpkg bot could gave me an good answer or tutorial either, does one of you? |
| 14:12.04 | justnulling2 | is there a package for sarge that does connection sharing with nat and some sort of web interface to set port forwarding ala netgear/linksys interface? |
| 14:12.07 | xoz_ | Miesco: and try tarzeau's command with --force-all |
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| 14:12.28 | jm_ | justnulling2: look at shorewall, or ipmasq for really simple stuff |
| 14:12.29 | zinx | Miesco's system is going to be so broken :/ |
| 14:12.31 | Eulex | djp, where did you get the spca5xx.ko from? |
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| 14:12.40 | Miesco | *.deb? |
| 14:12.46 | tarzeau | zinx: yes |
| 14:12.57 | tarzeau | Miesco: yes, the shell will do the rest |
| 14:13.03 | xoz_ | Miesco: don't worry, ill teach you how to fix the bork system |
| 14:13.04 | tarzeau | Miesco: and dpkg will be happier too |
| 14:13.14 | justnulling2 | jm_: thanks let me look at it |
| 14:13.15 | Miesco | Okay :/ |
| 14:13.20 | zinx | he just needs to remove qtorront and the pieces of python it depends on, which are the broken pieces.. |
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| 14:13.42 | zinx | none of which have anything to do with the bug in transgaming's point2play which is what he actually cares about |
| 14:13.45 | Miesco | Its unpacking replacements |
| 14:13.52 | xoz_ | Miesco: better try rather than doing nothing with a broken system |
| 14:13.55 | tarzeau | Miesco: it'll take ages like that |
| 14:14.02 | tarzeau | Miesco: i would've done what zinx said |
| 14:14.15 | Miesco | NOW YOU TELL ME |
| 14:14.18 | tarzeau | xoz_: better not make things worse, than they already are |
| 14:14.20 | zinx | xoz_: i wasn't telling him to do nothing :D |
| 14:14.40 | xoz_ | tarzeau: it is not worse. force-all is ok most of the cases |
| 14:14.41 | Miesco | SHould I CTRL+C |
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| 14:14.52 | zinx | xoz_: i would hate to use your system ;) |
| 14:14.52 | tarzeau | xoz_: we don't know what packages he's got installed |
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| 14:14.54 | xoz_ | unless you are changing the base system |
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| 14:15.01 | tarzeau | xoz_: it could be very worse, actually |
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| 14:15.11 | tarzeau | zinx: me too |
| 14:15.12 | zinx | xoz_: the cache is not just installed debs |
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| 14:15.23 | tarzeau | zinx: and there could be non-debian packages |
| 14:15.24 | Miesco | zinx: Should I CTRL+C? |
| 14:15.31 | zinx | tarzeau: ja |
| 14:15.36 | tarzeau | Miesco: it'll only go worser and worser |
| 14:15.38 | xoz_ | you have a point there but i am assuming he is cleaning his cache. |
| 14:15.38 | zinx | Miesco: it's probably already broken at this point |
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| 14:15.44 | tarzeau | Miesco: do you stop in the middle of sex? |
| 14:15.52 | tarzeau | nothing worse than phone calls during the wrong time |
| 14:15.57 | unfo | lol |
| 14:16.02 | Miesco | DO I STOP IT? |
| 14:16.10 | tarzeau | Miesco: no. |
| 14:16.11 | zinx | Miesco: no point in stopping it |
| 14:16.16 | tarzeau | Miesco: please don't stop. keep going |
| 14:16.19 | xoz_ | Miesco: let it finish the orgasm :) |
| 14:16.20 | unfo | doesn't Control-Z pause? |
| 14:16.20 | tarzeau | it's beautiful |
| 14:16.23 | Miesco | Okay |
| 14:16.29 | nvz | tarzeau: I dont think its possible to stop in the middle of sex |
| 14:16.36 | unfo | ok guys... |
| 14:16.39 | xoz_ | to pee? |
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| 14:16.55 | tarzeau | nvz: why not? |
| 14:17.09 | tarzeau | nvz: if you have the glorious idea to do something better? |
| 14:17.09 | nvz | tarzeau: because if you stop, thats the end of sex.. not the middle |
| 14:17.18 | Miesco | So depressing, watching my computer get broken |
| 14:17.26 | tarzeau | nvz: well true if you're a language nazi ;) |
| 14:17.35 | xoz_ | Miesco: how often you apt-get clean? |
| 14:17.36 | nvz | heh |
| 14:17.44 | zinx | nvz: that's like, if you cook and don't eat, that's the end of eating, not the middle |
| 14:17.47 | tarzeau | nvz: she could also kill you for stopping, that'd be the end of everything |
| 14:17.51 | Miesco | xoz: Never, I dont do that kind of stuff, breaks my computer |
| 14:17.56 | yo | alguien habla español ? |
| 14:18.00 | Eulex | !es |
| 14:18.00 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:18.02 | vickybot | Eulex: Error: "es" is not a valid command. |
| 14:18.07 | xoz_ | Miesco: oh, so you are in for a surprise. |
| 14:18.11 | Eulex | vickybot, STFU |
| 14:18.12 | tarzeau | Eulex: haha vickybot |
| 14:18.12 | vickybot | Eulex: Error: "STFU" is not a valid command. |
| 14:18.14 | vickybot | tarzeau: Error: "Eulex:" is not a valid command. |
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| 14:18.20 | Eulex | ... |
| 14:18.27 | riot | Is an updated gpg-package (>= 1.4.2.2) being prepared? |
| 14:18.28 | Miesco | xoz_: Are you going to help me fix it all? |
| 14:18.39 | jm_ | riot: apparently it is being worked on |
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| 14:18.50 | nvz | tarzeau: yeah I knew a girl like that. I had to move out of state to get rid of her.. needless to say I am a bit bitter toward women anymore |
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| 14:19.06 | riot | fine.. then its not my mirror being out of date :) |
| 14:19.08 | xoz_ | Miesco: ok, try CTRL-Z. the ls -l | wc -l. let us check how many deb files you have |
| 14:19.21 | jm_ | it will show up on security.debian.org first |
| 14:19.38 | Miesco | 1427 |
| 14:19.44 | xoz_ | shit |
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| 14:19.57 | tarzeau | nvz: http://nuno.typepad.com/theabbott/images/lovedoc.jpg |
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| 14:20.18 | tarzeau | xoz_: very normal |
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| 14:20.30 | tarzeau | xoz_: i've got 2534 here |
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| 14:20.41 | xoz_ | Miesco: try ls -lt ... tell me |
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| 14:20.51 | xoz_ | Miesco: the earliest date |
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| 14:21.08 | faber2 | hi everbody |
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| 14:21.13 | tarzeau | nvz: that *is* bitter |
| 14:21.25 | faber2 | whats a good utitlity to get A, CNAME, and MX record information from a DNS zone? |
| 14:21.30 | zinx | dig? |
| 14:21.31 | tarzeau | faber2: host |
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| 14:21.35 | jm_ | host, nslookup, dig, ... |
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| 14:21.49 | Miesco | 2001-03-06 |
| 14:21.52 | nvz | tarzeau: haha.. yeah thats the kind of chic she was.. you couldnt move unless you were fucking here, you couldnt breathe unless you were breathing her.. it was rediculous |
| 14:21.52 | faber2 | tarzeau: ok, how does host give me the MX? |
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| 14:22.01 | xoz_ | Miesco: pretty old. |
| 14:22.03 | zinx | most places don't allow zone transfers these days |
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| 14:22.06 | liran | faber2, you mean how to look it out? |
| 14:22.06 | marlun | Does debian have a server-install like Ubuntu? |
| 14:22.07 | xoz_ | Miesco: killall dpkg |
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| 14:22.10 | tarzeau | faber2: mx the.host |
| 14:22.27 | tarzeau | faber2: or host -t in front of above. mx is symlinked to host |
| 14:22.31 | GutterPunk | Hi, is there something wrong with the python libraries in debian (testing)? |
| 14:22.37 | tarzeau | xoz_: uf! |
| 14:22.39 | GutterPunk | I'm missing rsplit for example |
| 14:22.44 | tarzeau | !kill vickybot |
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| 14:22.46 | vickybot | tarzeau: Error: "kill" is not a valid command. |
| 14:22.47 | nvz | tarzeau: and I am the type I would get attached to someone and like to be around them all the time.. but she disgusted me |
| 14:22.53 | PerfDave | GutterPunk: Yes, they're python :) |
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| 14:23.19 | tarzeau | nvz: how old was she? |
| 14:23.25 | xoz_ | Miesco: apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 14:23.32 | cyberwolf_ | hello, got a little nfs problem here.. permission denied when i try to mount a dir. any suggestions ? |
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| 14:23.37 | joefso3 | tarzeau: how do I get xgl working on debian |
| 14:23.41 | tarzeau | cyberwolf_: you're root? |
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| 14:23.44 | GutterPunk | PerfDave, lol, well yeah... but this usually works.. I've got this line: values = line.rsplit('\t')... plain and simple... Doesn't work |
| 14:23.53 | tarzeau | joefso3: no idea. and i don't care the least bit about xgl |
| 14:23.58 | cyberwolf_ | tarzeau, ofcource |
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| 14:24.11 | tarzeau | cyberwolf_: show me the export line? |
| 14:24.21 | Miesco | esk: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. |
| 14:24.23 | nvz | tarzeau: well hmm back then I was about 17 I guess and she was probably 15 or 16 *shrug* she was young, had a rough home life.. starved for affection.. once she had sex she found her drug |
| 14:24.36 | xoz_ | Miesco: dpkg --configure --pending |
| 14:24.43 | tarzeau | nvz: and now you're? |
| 14:24.49 | nvz | tarzeau: 22 |
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| 14:25.20 | marlun | Does the debian installation install gnome or kde by default? |
| 14:25.26 | xoz_ | nvz: how often she take her drug? |
| 14:25.29 | tarzeau | marlun: no. |
| 14:25.32 | xoz_ | *takes |
| 14:25.38 | marlun | tarzeau, good :) thanks |
| 14:25.43 | tarzeau | xoz_: it's the quality that counts |
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| 14:25.55 | unfo | marlun, it only takes 2 commands to install though. |
| 14:26.02 | xoz_ | tarzeau: ok, how long then? :) |
| 14:26.05 | tarzeau | unfo: it can be done with one |
| 14:26.06 | da5id_ | I renamed my networkcard with if-rename from eth0 to ethernet, no it seems to not get an ip address from the dhcp-server anymore, /etc/network/interfaces includes \ auto ethernet \ |
| 14:26.06 | da5id_ | iface ethernet inet dhcp |
| 14:26.18 | tarzeau | xoz_: quality has nothing to do with length |
| 14:26.20 | faber2 | can i disable keyboard-interactive login for root, but allow ssh-key authentication with bsd-sshd ? |
| 14:26.25 | tarzeau | xoz_: and it's not the diameter either |
| 14:26.25 | marlun | unfo, but I didn't want it so everything is good :) |
| 14:26.29 | vin` | marlun: desktop will get you both kde and gnome, if you want just one of them or something else, install it by hand. |
| 14:26.31 | unfo | tarzeau, yes, if you like su -c or have set up sudo |
| 14:26.40 | cyberwolf_ | tarzeau, http://pastebin.com/594456 |
| 14:26.44 | unfo | marlun, you have good taste. :) |
| 14:26.45 | da5id_ | What can I do, where can I configure, that ethernet receives an IP from the dhcp-server? |
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| 14:26.57 | valdyn | da5id_: try running 'dhclient ethernet' ( as root ) |
| 14:26.57 | xoz_ | tarzeau: length of time is directly related with woman's satisfaction, wrong? |
| 14:27.03 | tarzeau | cyberwolf_: you're missing no root squash |
| 14:27.10 | faber2 | da5id: in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:27.16 | xoz_ | Miesco: still working? |
| 14:27.19 | tarzeau | cyberwolf_: man exportfs |
| 14:27.25 | cyberwolf_ | tarzeau, oh, ok, i'll try |
| 14:27.29 | Miesco | xoz_: Yes |
| 14:27.32 | da5id_ | valdyn: that works for now, but after every reeboot the IP-Address is 169.254.144.199 again |
| 14:27.33 | jm_ | man exports |
| 14:27.37 | marlun | unfo, the computer I'm installing it on is for learning only :) |
| 14:27.42 | nvz | xoz_: as often as she could find it.. like most addicts.. she would literally hang from my neck and try fucking me through my jeans while I was trying to walk down the street. beyond the fact it was a huge turnoff for me to be getting raped all the time people dont want to see that. its one thing to be a freak in the bedroom... |
| 14:28.14 | unfo | marlun, just curious, do you have a lot of experience w/ other distributions? |
| 14:28.18 | tarzeau | nvz: photo and phone number? |
| 14:28.23 | jm_ | haha |
| 14:28.30 | xoz_ | nvz: email address? |
| 14:28.39 | unfo | nvs: ssn? :) |
| 14:28.40 | tarzeau | xoz_: i was first! |
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| 14:29.00 | nvz | yeah right.. she probably has 9 kids and is living on welfare.. I highly doubt she has an email address |
| 14:29.03 | emozalp | hi |
| 14:29.06 | unfo | hi |
| 14:29.19 | marlun | unfo, nope :) |
| 14:29.30 | cyberwolf_ | tarzeau, btw, i get * Error starting NFS daemon |
| 14:29.30 | nvz | well she would have had to been real busy to have had 9 kids since the last time I seen her, but I wouldnt doubt it for a minute |
| 14:29.39 | tarzeau | cyberwolf_: why? only that line? |
| 14:29.43 | emozalp | turkce bilen varmi |
| 14:29.45 | marlun | unfo, I'm a new linux user, I've only used Ubuntu. |
| 14:29.49 | tarzeau | emozalp: var, #debian.tr |
| 14:29.57 | nvz | probably has 9 kids to 15 different men |
| 14:30.02 | xoz_ | Miesco: you will need to apt-get clean after the combo of apt-get upgrade, dpkg --pending --configure... stabilizes. then, apt-get install python.. and dpkg --force-all --install python*.deb |
| 14:30.23 | cyberwolf_ | tarzeau, log= nfsd[3666]: nfssvc: Function not implemented |
| 14:30.30 | unfo | marlun, you should know, debian is occasionally frustrating to new users because its hardware detection is not perfect. but if you have good support (irc, friends) or don't need X, you're fine though. |
| 14:30.50 | tarzeau | unfo: what? |
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| 14:31.05 | tarzeau | unfo: sarge is fantastic with hardware detection. and so with x configuration |
| 14:31.13 | tarzeau | unfo: stop telling fairy tales |
| 14:31.26 | tarzeau | marlun: forget what unfo just said |
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| 14:31.30 | unfo | tarzeau, i use etch, but the X hwd didn't work for me. |
| 14:31.31 | azeem | tarzeau: well, there *are* better distributions out there |
| 14:31.32 | marlun | unfo, right now I don't want anything graphical, and I'm not sure I can even get it working on that ancient computer. I'm installing it on a 233mhz. |
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| 14:31.37 | tarzeau | unfo: etch is not stable |
| 14:31.39 | unfo | also everyone is entitled to their own opinion |
| 14:31.42 | azeem | it's not bad, of course |
| 14:31.43 | marlun | tarzeau, hehe ok :P |
| 14:31.44 | tarzeau | azeem: remember woody? |
| 14:31.54 | nvz | you cant be like that giving it all away every 3 seconds. you have to hold something back or else it gets old after awhile and just becomes a chore instead of a passion |
| 14:31.56 | azeem | tarzeau: yes, sure it's better than woody |
| 14:32.02 | Miesco | xoz_: So do I apt-get upgrade, then apt-get clean? |
| 14:32.03 | tarzeau | azeem: mind the large gap between no hw detection and hw detection |
| 14:32.11 | tarzeau | azeem: it's ALOT better |
| 14:32.18 | unfo | marlun, if 233mhz then debian is the ideal choice. it's fullfeatured if you install kde or gnome, but fast and small otherwise. |
| 14:32.21 | Miesco | byte-compiling bbdb. This takes looooooong... |
| 14:32.23 | Miesco | damb |
| 14:32.25 | azeem | tarzeau: yeah, sure |
| 14:32.31 | xoz_ | Miesco: apt-get dist-upgrade... then if all is ok, apt-get clean |
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| 14:32.45 | azeem | tarzeau: I only said that *other* distributions still do better, so calling it 'fantastic' is stretching things a bit |
| 14:32.53 | tarzeau | azeem: hehe, ok |
| 14:32.54 | Fox | faber2: dig |
| 14:33.01 | marlun | unfo, Later on I may want to install a gnome just to see how to manually install it, but not for using it. |
| 14:33.01 | Fox | wow, I'm late... |
| 14:33.09 | unfo | tarzeau, it's stable enough for me :) |
| 14:33.11 | faber2 | Fox: scroll? |
| 14:33.19 | xoz_ | Miesco: apt-get clean is the last thing to clean deb files already installed. if there are pending files, you need dpkg --pending --configure. |
| 14:33.23 | tarzeau | unfo: how long have you been using it? |
| 14:33.24 | Fox | yup :/ |
| 14:33.32 | quiet | i get a wierd error on bootup (everything seems to be running perfectly though) about not being able to insert hw_random or something?? (I'm using sarge with 2.6.8-2-686 image...) |
| 14:33.42 | marlun | unfo, It only has 6GB harddrive though... |
| 14:33.47 | cyberwolf_ | tarzeau, directory failed, reason given by server: Permission denied... any ideas ? |
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| 14:34.06 | tarzeau | cyberwolf_: no, sorry, didn't look at it really... |
| 14:34.15 | cyberwolf_ | :) |
| 14:34.19 | tarzeau | cyberwolf_: did you re-export? |
| 14:34.23 | unfo | marlun, wrt what tarzeau said, he's right, i'm not on debian stable. also, for gnome, just apt-get install x-window-system-core gnome should work. |
| 14:34.45 | cyberwolf_ | tarzeau, yes, but failed start deamon :/ |
| 14:35.11 | tarzeau | cyberwolf_: paste one export line here |
| 14:35.22 | marlun | unfo, the version I'm installing of debian is 3.1. |
| 14:35.24 | tarzeau | cyberwolf_: maybe you did some syntax error with no root squash? |
| 14:35.57 | unfo | marlun, all of gnome should fit fine in a 6gb partition w debian base installed. although i don't use all of gnome, and i just install what i need from it. the stable version is 3.1. |
| 14:36.19 | cyberwolf_ | tarzeau, /data/mp3b linux2.localnet.fi(ro,async,no_root_squash) |
| 14:36.37 | wheelOfFortune | hello |
| 14:36.45 | tarzeau | cyberwolf_: oh, can you put a webserver on it and tell me the url? |
| 14:36.50 | wheelOfFortune | is there a mono user on debian? |
| 14:37.08 | Miesco | xoz_: Was that suppost to happen? |
| 14:37.15 | cyberwolf_ | tarzeau, eeh, no :) |
| 14:37.34 | xoz_ | Miesco: what is the first error message |
| 14:37.44 | unfo | wheelOfFortune, i don't know, 1 way to find out tho is to install mono and see :) |
| 14:37.55 | xoz_ | Miesco: usually, failure of the first file would have many side-effects. |
| 14:38.06 | cyberwolf_ | tarzeau, the exported files is on the server |
| 14:38.09 | unfo | s/, 1/personally, but 1/ |
| 14:38.13 | marlun | unfo, yeah is it possible to intall it in very small steps? On ubuntu I installed a package and then gnome was installed and alot of applications with it. |
| 14:38.20 | wheelOfFortune | unfo, how to see? |
| 14:38.28 | unfo | wheelOfFortune, i dont understand |
| 14:38.30 | Miesco | xoz_: That was the only error |
| 14:38.50 | xoz_ | Miesco: just use alternatively dpkg --pending --configure ...apt-get dist-upgrade...apt-get -f install |
| 14:38.55 | jm_ | marlun: those packages are created exactlt for that purpose |
| 14:39.02 | xoz_ | Miesco: are you using stable? |
| 14:39.12 | wheelOfFortune | unfo,are you a mono user? |
| 14:39.19 | marlun | jm_, I know, but I don't want to use them. |
| 14:39.19 | Miesco | xoz_: Yes |
| 14:39.26 | tarzeau | wheelOfFortune: what is teh mono? |
| 14:39.27 | unfo | marlun, for 3.0 i installed base at like 11pm, then shut my computer off, went to sleep, woke up, finished install next day. |
| 14:39.31 | unfo | wheelOfFortune, not currently |
| 14:39.38 | xoz_ | Miesco: ok so try apt-get -f install |
| 14:39.38 | jm_ | marlun: well you don't have to - unless someone will point a gun at your head I guess |
| 14:39.42 | cyberwolf_ | tarzeau, i guess 10.0.0.2 doesn't work so good :) |
| 14:39.51 | tarzeau | cyberwolf_: no, hehe |
| 14:39.58 | incorrect | there appear to be only two options for network backups, amanda and backula, does anyone else know anything similar? |
| 14:40.01 | wheelOfFortune | tarzeau : it's enironnment for .NET applications |
| 14:40.10 | Miesco | xoz: I remove egroupware before, should I just rm egroupware*.deb? |
| 14:40.15 | incorrect | otherwise its rsync :) |
| 14:40.18 | xoz_ | incorrect: apt-cache search backup |
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| 14:40.20 | marlun | unfo, what? =) 3.0? |
| 14:40.31 | valdyn | !anyone use |
| 14:40.31 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 14:40.33 | vickybot | valdyn: Error: "anyone" is not a valid command. |
| 14:40.36 | xoz_ | Miesco: apt-get remove --purge egroupware* |
| 14:40.59 | incorrect | xoz_ tried that, not much help for anything not in debian |
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| 14:41.02 | unfo | tarzeau, mono is controversial. it's free licensed but ppl worry microsoft will patent it in the future or sthg, i'm not up on the details. |
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| 14:41.11 | unfo | marlun, this was 2 y ago. |
| 14:41.20 | tarzeau | unfo: i wasn't sure if he means the language. |
| 14:41.23 | incorrect | rsync and tar seem to be my best options |
| 14:41.27 | Fox | incorrect: rdiff-backup ? duplicity ? |
| 14:41.30 | xoz_ | incorrect: what about rsnapshot |
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| 14:41.43 | marlun | unfo, are you talking about the debian installation? |
| 14:41.59 | xoz_ | incorrect: it uses rscync also but more options |
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| 14:42.13 | unfo | tarzeau, i mean the language, not mono. |
| 14:42.16 | marcus__ | i found this howto about installing gentoo in nvraid, but how can it be done with debian? http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-258981.html |
| 14:42.17 | incorrect | ill give it a look see |
| 14:42.23 | incorrect | thanks xoz_ |
| 14:42.24 | unfo | marlun, by 3.0 i meant debian 3.0. |
| 14:42.25 | wheelOfFortune | tarzeau: yeah , i meant monodeveloper |
| 14:42.26 | Miesco | xoz_: Okay now what? |
| 14:42.32 | Miesco | apt-get upgrade? |
| 14:42.35 | xoz_ | Miesco: no more errors? |
| 14:42.43 | xoz_ | Miesco: yep |
| 14:42.51 | Miesco | K |
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| 14:42.58 | jm_ | marcus__: very similar with debootstrap |
| 14:43.05 | marlun | unfo, ah ok, well my installation is almost done, I'm at the "Debian Configuration" part after the installation, so I guess it's done :P |
| 14:43.21 | wheelOfFortune | tarzeau: just want to run aspx pages on apache |
| 14:43.29 | unfo | tarzeau, the runtime is free licensed. the language is controlled by msft. |
| 14:43.50 | marcus__ | yes, but there is no debian boot cd with dmraid, or is there, or could i use an gentoo bot cd to install debian :S |
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| 14:44.02 | jm_ | you can use the same live CD they mentioned |
| 14:44.04 | xoz_ | Miesco: seems only python is the problem. try apt-get clean if the errors are python to clean your cache and we can play python install only. |
| 14:44.49 | marcus__ | ok, and at what part does the howto change for debian? becasu i really want to install debian on my amd64 pc :D |
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| 14:45.06 | abrotman | richih_thailand: ?!?! |
| 14:45.10 | Miesco | xoz_: Okay done |
| 14:45.11 | richih_thailand | abrotman, hi |
| 14:45.16 | abrotman | richih_thailand: you moved! |
| 14:45.22 | unfo | marcus__, why do you want nvraid? |
| 14:45.23 | richih_thailand | abrotman, yes, i am in some internet cafe in Ao Nang |
| 14:45.30 | richih_thailand | abrotman, holidays |
| 14:45.31 | xoz_ | Miesco: cd /var/cache/apt/archives/. ls . do you have python debs listed? |
| 14:45.36 | abrotman | richih_thailand: watch out for guerin! |
| 14:45.49 | marcus__ | becasu my iwndows is on nvraid and i want to dual boot with linux on the same array, like they want in the howto |
| 14:46.01 | richih_thailand | abrotman, i _desperately_ need to know how to force linux to not use certain sectors any more |
| 14:46.03 | Miesco | xoz_: Ther eis nothing in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 14:46.14 | abrotman | richih_thailand: badblocks? |
| 14:46.15 | xoz_ | Miesco: if not apt-get install python-whatever version |
| 14:46.21 | Miesco | lock and partial/ |
| 14:46.30 | abrotman | but i think you have to do that when you create the file system |
| 14:46.31 | richih_thailand | abrotman, is that a program or a question what the problem is? |
| 14:46.47 | xoz_ | Miesco: then in that directory, dpkg --install --force-all python*.deb |
| 14:47.04 | incorrect | rsnapshot doesn't give me want i want really |
| 14:47.04 | abrotman | richih_thailand: i think when you create a filesystem you can feed it a file of badblocks not to use |
| 14:47.25 | richih_thailand | abrotman, the filesystem is created and there is no chance in hell i will delte it |
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| 14:47.35 | quiet | i get a wierd error on bootup (everything seems to be running perfectly though) about not being able to insert hw_random or something?? Is that something to worry about? (I'm using sarge with 2.6.8-2-686 image) |
| 14:47.41 | abrotman | richih_thailand: can you not put something useless on the bad blocks? :) |
| 14:47.53 | unfo | marcus, why not just back up everything, reformat, restore? that'd get rid of nvraid, although then all of windows'd have to fit on 1 disk. |
| 14:47.57 | richih_thailand | abrotman, that is what i have ben doing, but there are quite a few |
| 14:48.05 | Miesco | xoz_: apt-get install python2.3, It doesn't do nothing, just gives thoughs errors I pasted in the pastebin |
| 14:48.19 | Miesco | xoz_: I still have all my python stuff installed |
| 14:48.35 | xoz_ | Miesco: ls shows the list of python debs? |
| 14:48.38 | marcus__ | unfo, the nvraid gives an real preformance boost in windows |
| 14:48.38 | Miesco | xoz_: No |
| 14:48.39 | abrotman | richih_thailand: anything in tune2fs ? |
| 14:48.47 | Miesco | xoz_: there are no debs |
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| 14:49.12 | abrotman | richih_thailand: man badblocks ? |
| 14:49.21 | marlun | Hmm It asked me what applications I wanted to install I marked none and now when i clicked ok it seems to download lot of programs anyway? Is this still just for the base installation? |
| 14:49.41 | xoz_ | Miesco: apt-get install python2.3-* ? |
| 14:49.54 | unfo | unfo, yes, performance boost saves time, but look, now you're on the web and IRC dealing w/ nvraid aftermath, that uses up the time you saved plus more :) |
| 14:49.58 | zinx | heh |
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| 14:50.32 | abrotman | richih_thailand: however .. i'm not sure that will have the desired effect for you |
| 14:50.39 | Miesco | xoz_: I messaged you the error |
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| 14:50.49 | richih_thailand | abrotman, i googled the manpage and will read it |
| 14:50.53 | unfo | this is true of many raid type "solutions" that really should only be used on high-use or crucial servers. |
| 14:50.54 | marcus__ | unfo its not about the time, but about the gaming performance and 3dmark oints |
| 14:50.55 | zinx | Miesco: seriously, remove qtorrent and the broken packages it depends on (specificly, python-2.3-sip4-qt3) |
| 14:50.58 | unfo | imo |
| 14:51.05 | tarzeau | unfo: i don't like either |
| 14:51.06 | abrotman | richih_thailand: i'm rather guessing this will only work on an ext2/3 file system |
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| 14:51.32 | richih_thailand | abrotman, it is xfs, of course |
| 14:51.33 | xoz_ | Miesco: can you download those deb files manually... then use dpkg --install --force-all *.deb |
| 14:51.44 | larmer | hi. could someone help me to get the new wireless kayboad to work. (ps/2). all the butons don't work but give a message: unknown scancode and a couple of hexas |
| 14:51.50 | zinx | xoz_: what is it with you and forcing stuff? |
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| 14:51.58 | abrotman | richih_thailand: i don't know if xfs can use the badblocks stuff or not |
| 14:52.11 | unfo | marcus__, i am not a gamer but don't games load everything into ram before a level starts so disk perf won't matter? |
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| 14:52.29 | bernardo_ | How do I know which usb port my printer is installed? |
| 14:52.41 | richih_thailand | bernardo_, apt-get install usbview |
| 14:52.43 | xoz_ | Miesco: what is important is you can get those files and install those libs |
| 14:52.46 | Diogo | Greetings! I need a sample Debian 3.1 sources.list, I think mine is broken! :( |
| 14:52.46 | abrotman | lsusb |
| 14:52.51 | abrotman | Diogo: apt-setup |
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| 14:52.56 | Diogo | abrotman, Thanks! |
| 14:52.59 | zinx | xoz_: no, what's important is that the error at hand be paid attention to |
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| 14:53.07 | marcus__ | loading time still, and if i use the nvriad0 i cant use the space of disk 1 + disk 2 |
| 14:53.07 | zinx | xoz_: instead of trying random things until it starts working again |
| 14:53.18 | Diogo | abrotman, Do I erase mine first or just go straight into apt-setup? |
| 14:53.21 | bernardo_ | richih_thailand: thanx |
| 14:53.23 | larmer | someone help me |
| 14:53.24 | typewriter | 3 updates in 2 days? WHOA slow down debian! |
| 14:53.29 | xoz_ | zinx: let me finish ok? |
| 14:53.38 | marcus__ | but i think i should combine that howto with an debian debootstrab howto? |
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| 14:53.41 | unfo | bernardo_, there's an automatic way to get printers working: apt-get install printconf. i don't use it. |
| 14:53.46 | abrotman | Diogo: you can run apt-setup .. if you're really that concerned .. comment out everything except the security line |
| 14:54.10 | marlun | unfo, should it download and install things like g++ in the base installation? |
| 14:54.22 | zinx | xoz_: OK. when you're done screwing his system up, tell him he should remove python2.3-sip4-qt3 |
| 14:54.28 | bernardo_ | unfo: i already tried it...it didn't worked |
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| 14:54.32 | unfo | marlun, what do you mean "should" |
| 14:54.39 | zinx | xoz_: then you can pretend like all the junk you had him do actually meant something. |
| 14:54.42 | unfo | marlun, what do you mean "should" |
| 14:54.53 | unfo | marlun, oops i pressed up arrow sorry |
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| 14:54.56 | Diogo | abrotman, Thanks again! |
| 14:55.01 | unfo | bernardo_, oh :/ |
| 14:55.02 | xoz_ | Miesco: those errors if you read are due to version number. |
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| 14:55.40 | larmer | hasn't anyone configured a wireless keyboard or had a same kind of problem? |
| 14:55.41 | Miesco | xoz_: I went to aptitude, and it removed all the egroupware stuff and python-qt3 stuff |
| 14:55.44 | marlun | unfo, first it said that now the base installation was installed, and asked if i wanted to install any more applications, but I didn't check anything and click OK, now after that it has downloaded alot of applications and is installing them. Like G++, python, etc. |
| 14:55.55 | unfo | marlun, yes thats normal |
| 14:56.02 | Miesco | xoz_: Now apt-get -f install gives no errors |
| 14:56.08 | xoz_ | Miesco: that's good |
| 14:56.27 | Miesco | xoz_: So what should I do now? |
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| 14:56.45 | unfo | marlun, first it installed iirc the Required packages, now it's installing less-crucial pkgs that everyone should have. |
| 14:56.53 | knvinh | anyone use FreeBSD here??? |
| 14:57.01 | xoz_ | Miesco: first. apt-get dist-upgrade to make sure there are no more deps needed. |
| 14:57.05 | ka5oai | what echolink software does anyone use on a debian box?? |
| 14:57.16 | tarzeau | ka5oai: what's echolink? |
| 14:57.23 | tarzeau | knvinh: i use debian gnu/kfreebsd, see #gnu-kbsd |
| 14:57.49 | bernardo_ | Does anyone know how to get the gnome sounds working? |
| 14:57.55 | xoz_ | Miesco: install auto-apt and apt-get install python2.3. |
| 14:58.42 | larmer | someone help me |
| 14:59.18 | tarzeau | larmer: console or x? |
| 14:59.18 | opqdonut | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:59.21 | opqdonut | oops |
| 14:59.30 | tarzeau | larmer: you mean special keys, right? |
| 14:59.32 | ka5oai | voice over ip for ham radio |
| 14:59.43 | unfo | larmer, i'm not sure but i think the better etiquette is to repeat your whole question instead of just "help me". :) |
| 14:59.44 | larmer | tarzeau: console. in x f1, f2 etc. buttons don't work at all |
| 14:59.52 | tarzeau | larmer: in what program? |
| 15:00.05 | nvz | thats what I need a ham lisc |
| 15:00.15 | larmer | seems that I have to change the keyboard type somehow..? |
| 15:00.25 | tarzeau | larmer: i don't think so |
| 15:01.08 | larmer | tarzeau: all buttons work but insert, delete, page up & down, and f-buttons |
| 15:01.22 | xoz_ | tarzeau: how easy it is to change the system from linux to kfreebsd? |
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| 15:01.29 | unfo | larmer, do you have a wired ps/2 keyboard around? |
| 15:01.39 | larmer | tarzeau: instead they give a message: keyboard: unknown scancode and 4 hexas |
| 15:01.39 | nvz | I may get rid of my cell phone and get a fucking ham radio :P |
| 15:01.43 | tedi | hi |
| 15:01.48 | raf256`_ | is there a way to call apt-get dist-upgrade that will run automaticly (without confirmation) but only if no REMOVE is needed and will cancel if apt-listbugs show bugs? to put it in cron |
| 15:01.51 | larmer | unfo: yep, now I switched back to it |
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| 15:02.01 | unfo | larmer, is it working fine? |
| 15:02.10 | tedi | da go duhate vsichkite zaedno |
| 15:02.11 | larmer | unfo: yes |
| 15:02.26 | larmer | unfo: and I didn't change to another keyboard port |
| 15:02.26 | donjoevanni | azeem: hello, now the server works again, but I'm struggling with locales |
| 15:02.33 | xoz_ | raf256`_: cron-apt? |
| 15:02.36 | tarzeau | xoz_: very easy. install it. done |
| 15:02.46 | raf256`_ | xoz_: ok |
| 15:02.54 | tarzeau | larmer: you need a cable between your keyboard and computer |
| 15:02.54 | azeem | donjoevanni: did you manage to get it properly installed? |
| 15:02.55 | xoz_ | tarzeau: just apt-get install kfreebsd? |
| 15:03.00 | tarzeau | xoz_: no |
| 15:03.03 | kspath | hehehe |
| 15:03.08 | tarzeau | xoz_: install the system. it's not a package |
| 15:03.09 | xoz_ | just kodding |
| 15:03.16 | donjoevanni | azeem: it tells that there is package dependency |
| 15:03.20 | unfo | larmer, ianasysadmin but i find that weird. ps/2 is ps/2. |
| 15:03.20 | larmer | tarzeau: I'm using the old keyboard now. |
| 15:03.28 | azeem | donjoevanni: paste the error message to a pastebin |
| 15:03.30 | azeem | !paster |
| 15:03.30 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 15:03.35 | vickybot | azeem: Error: "paster" is not a valid command. |
| 15:03.41 | abrotman | richih_thailand: i guess that won't help with xfs .. and i'm not sure the xfsutils have anything similar |
| 15:03.44 | xoz_ | tarzeau: what about wireless support and autodetection? not a problem? |
| 15:03.46 | azeem | vickybot: shuddup |
| 15:03.49 | vickybot | azeem: Error: "shuddup" is not a valid command. |
| 15:03.49 | donjoevanni | azeem: I have removed them, reinstalled first locales, but it still doesn't work |
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| 15:03.56 | abrotman | vickybot: die |
| 15:03.58 | xoz_ | vickybot: who owns you? |
| 15:03.59 | vickybot | abrotman: Error: "die" is not a valid command. |
| 15:04.00 | vickybot | xoz_: Error: "who" is not a valid command. |
| 15:04.05 | abrotman | just fucking kill it |
| 15:04.08 | larmer | unfo: what's that ianasysaadmin? I don't have that command |
| 15:04.13 | tarzeau | xoz_: works perfect for me |
| 15:04.15 | *** mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ |
| 15:04.21 | tarzeau | xoz_: check #gnu-kbsd |
| 15:04.22 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*n=supybot@84.229.197.*] by azeem |
| 15:04.22 | *** kick/#debian [vickybot!n=mbanck@host45.natpool.mwn.de] by azeem (we got a bot already) |
| 15:04.24 | *** mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem |
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| 15:04.40 | donjoevanni | azeem: how can I paste it? |
| 15:04.46 | kspath | !lart vickybot-owner |
| 15:04.46 | abrotman | !beer azeem |
| 15:04.54 | azeem | Spaten is helles, not pils! |
| 15:04.56 | nimeni0 | is there any ftp server that can be configured via text based menus ? |
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| 15:05.17 | SlammerXP | nimeni0: why would you need that? |
| 15:05.20 | richih_thailand | azeem, more correctly, it reacts on i sign that is already used by another bot |
| 15:05.29 | SerajewelKS | nimeni0: how about text-based config files? |
| 15:05.37 | opqdonut | nimeni0: vsftp needs practically zero configuration for anonymous downloading |
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| 15:05.46 | azeem | richih_thailand: right |
| 15:05.51 | SerajewelKS | nimeni0: vsftpd has a very well-documented config file and is relatively easy to set up |
| 15:05.52 | unfo | larmer, it stands for "I Am Not A Sysadmin". |
| 15:05.52 | azeem | donjoevanni: go to http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 15:06.19 | xoz_ | Miesco: what happened? |
| 15:06.21 | Miesco | xoz_: python2.3 is already the newest version. |
| 15:06.34 | larmer | unfo: ok... |
| 15:06.38 | unfo | larmer, i don't see anything i typed that makes it sound like a command. :) |
| 15:06.52 | xoz_ | Miesco: so, have you tried the thing with cedega? |
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| 15:07.09 | larmer | unfo: ok I just didn't get it :> do you have ideas have to fix this keyboard problem? |
| 15:07.14 | donjoevanni | azeem: for which channel? |
| 15:07.24 | azeem | donjoevanni: doesn't matter |
| 15:07.25 | Miesco | xoz_: What thing? |
| 15:07.31 | xoz_ | Miesco: always apt-get clean after you finish update |
| 15:07.32 | nimeni0 | ok, where can i find the debian minimum install cd ? is there such a thing ? i could only find 600mb cds on the mirros |
| 15:07.35 | nimeni0 | mirrors* |
| 15:07.44 | tarzeau | !d-i |
| 15:07.44 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 15:07.48 | xoz_ | Miesco: the one that gave the error when you install the program? |
| 15:07.59 | Miesco | xoz_: It still gives me the error |
| 15:08.19 | xoz_ | Miesco: have you installed auto-apt? |
| 15:08.31 | unfo | larmer, i dunno. try here, if nobody here can help, try another appropriate channel, if no help, try Google/googlegroups.com or email the debian-user list. |
| 15:08.37 | Miesco | xoz_: Yes |
| 15:08.46 | nvz | nimeni0: there is the netinstall and the business card iso the netinstall contains the base system and really doesnt need network until stage 2 after configuring apt and choosing additional packages whereas the business card iso has no base and needs to get online to fetch it immediatly |
| 15:09.03 | nvz | nimeni0: and thus it is like 1/3rd the size of even the smaller netinstall |
| 15:09.15 | Miesco | xoz_: I installed qtorrent and I still get the configure errors |
| 15:09.16 | xoz_ | Miesco: you should read the doc or INSTALL manual of that program to check its requirements. |
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| 15:09.35 | xstation | hey |
| 15:09.52 | kspath | yeh |
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| 15:10.09 | xstation | what is the url for the debian pastebin |
| 15:10.14 | close_to_debian | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:10.14 | close_to_debian | <close_to_debian> I get this error with valiases pipe |
| 15:10.24 | kspath | !tell xstation about paste |
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| 15:10.28 | xoz_ | Miesco: try other torrent? |
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| 15:10.53 | Miesco | xoz_: I guess I could just use bittorrent but it cant pause :/ |
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| 15:11.03 | xoz_ | Miesco: apt-cache search torrent |
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| 15:11.36 | Miesco | I'll just use azureus actually |
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| 15:12.00 | abrotman | bittornado ? |
| 15:12.12 | xoz_ | Miesco: so i assume your system is no longer borked? |
| 15:12.12 | unfo | ok i'm going. ttyl all |
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| 15:12.34 | Miesco | xoz_: I guess not |
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| 15:12.49 | Miesco | xoz_: Says: python >= 2.3 |
| 15:12.53 | xstation | dpkg: thanks |
| 15:12.53 | dpkg | bitte, xstation |
| 15:13.30 | xoz_ | Miesco: so just consider those trip to /var/cache/apt/archives/ as an educational sidetrip :). |
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| 15:13.51 | xoz_ | *trips |
| 15:13.52 | xstation | dpkg: is that he correct url |
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| 15:15.10 | Miesco | Im installing python 2.4 |
| 15:15.55 | xoz_ | Miesco: still in stable source list? |
| 15:16.00 | Miesco | xoz_: Yes |
| 15:16.26 | xoz_ | Miesco: so maybe it may fix the error. |
| 15:16.27 | xstation | dpkg: its the offical debain pastbin I am seeking please |
| 15:16.32 | abrotman | dpkg: what are you |
| 15:16.32 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 15:16.34 | abrotman | !paste |
| 15:16.35 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 15:16.38 | Miesco | xoz_: But I still have 2.3 and stuff |
| 15:16.57 | xoz_ | Miesco: it is ok. some progs may still depend on it |
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| 15:17.07 | quiet | Anyone know of a repo that has Nvu available? |
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| 15:17.48 | richih_thailand | !find bin/fx |
| 15:17.59 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/fx' (2): (/sbin/fxload) in admin/fxload ;; (/sbin/fxotune) in comm/zaptel. |
| 15:18.05 | Kennyjb402 | how can I tell what version of debian I'm using? |
| 15:18.14 | datn | hi |
| 15:18.31 | Fox | quiet: backports.org |
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| 15:18.37 | xoz_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:18.42 | Kennyjb402 | thnx |
| 15:18.44 | datn | is there a program that graph ur net usage with http interface? |
| 15:19.11 | abrotman | !ur |
| 15:19.12 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
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| 15:19.20 | xoz_ | apt-cache search web statistic |
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| 15:19.37 | aleph0 | how can I trace which process is causing I/O ? |
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| 15:20.01 | orjan | I'm trying to setup vnc to start via inetd. Should the Xvnc start when I restart inetd or when I connect? |
| 15:20.50 | xoz_ | orjan: inetd is by connection |
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| 15:20.55 | richih_thailand | bye for now, i will continue to look for a solution :/ |
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| 15:22.05 | Miesco | xoz_: Why does all this stuff depend on python2.3.5-2 when I got 2.3.5-3 |
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| 15:23.00 | xoz_ | Miesco: maybe old version? |
| 15:23.19 | orjan | xoz_: any way to check if the inietd part works ( I can't connect via vnc) |
| 15:23.22 | GoAuLd | i'm using ACL and extended atributes, and i want every file or directory created there heredating same file permissions and attributes from parent directory, i achieved that in some way and it seems working on created files but NOT moved ones |
| 15:23.58 | GoAuLd | i don't know why the move command work this way |
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| 15:24.10 | Miesco | xoz_: I'll just install all versions |
| 15:24.17 | GoAuLd | any idea? |
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| 15:25.28 | xoz_ | orjan: have you successfully configured xvnc to work outside inetd? i suggest you make sure it works before incorporating it to inetd. |
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| 15:25.47 | Miesco | xoz_: Ah well, maybe this is happening cause I got cedega illegally, the version 4.3 works, i'll just use that :) |
| 15:25.58 | xoz_ | Miesco: heh |
| 15:26.00 | orjan | xoz_: yes I can start vnc via ssh cl |
| 15:26.07 | RazaMetaL | hi |
| 15:26.13 | RazaMetaL | greetings from Ecuador :) |
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| 15:26.59 | Jhair | [Tim: grrrreetings RazaMetaL] |
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| 15:27.29 | xoz_ | orjan: there are many tutorials in google for inetd config. maybe you just missed some options. google for those info. |
| 15:27.49 | orjan | xoz_: I'm on my 3rd now |
| 15:27.54 | xoz_ | inetd+xnvc config |
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| 15:28.08 | RazaMetaL | my tux racer is goint to slow |
| 15:28.09 | petemc | orjan: have you considered nxserver? |
| 15:28.24 | RazaMetaL | how can I fix it ? I've one ati radeo card |
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| 15:28.36 | orjan | petemc: I read a bit about it but never tried |
| 15:28.45 | petemc | orjan: it rocketh mightily |
| 15:29.04 | orjan | petemc: iirc the ver in debian was old |
| 15:29.13 | petemc | orjan: there is no version in debian |
| 15:29.23 | petemc | you can add sources to get it tho |
| 15:30.15 | orjan | petemc: ok where is the repo? |
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| 15:30.50 | petemc | orjan: i dont have it to hand, when i needed it, it was easy to find |
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| 15:31.07 | orjan | petemc: ok will check, tanks |
| 15:31.14 | GoAuLd | anyone knows why moved files hold former atributes instead of getting new ones acordingly with the new prior directory? have i to use chmod all the time? |
| 15:31.17 | orjan | xoz_: thanks, too |
| 15:31.34 | nvz | ow |
| 15:31.40 | nvz | I fell asleep at the pc |
| 15:31.42 | quiet | is there a dpkg switch to install dpenedancies.. |
| 15:32.47 | nvz | was only about 30min but I was out :P |
| 15:33.03 | kspath | GoAuLd: You could cp and rm the old ones instead |
| 15:33.38 | kspath | GoAuLd: The mv command is also for renaming in same directory as well so yes it is a single purpose and you would have to use chmod |
| 15:34.07 | GoAuLd | what a bungle |
| 15:34.16 | kspath | GoAuLd: Not really. |
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| 15:35.04 | kspath | GoAuLd: The point of it is you are moving the files location not modifying it or anything about it other than the location in the tree. |
| 15:35.45 | kspath | GoAuLd: No one is stopping you from making your own tools. There might be features of mv I do not know of or remember. |
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| 15:36.12 | user__ | is there a way to hide sshd version? |
| 15:36.39 | kspath | user__: There are a few things that "give away version" do research. |
| 15:36.58 | kspath | user__: Start with /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 15:37.00 | GoAuLd | mv should work my way, it makes more sense |
| 15:37.17 | kspath | GoAuLd: No, on the contrary it would make less sense. |
| 15:38.08 | kspath | GoAuLd: I would agree that an obvious option to do what you are saying would be best. |
| 15:38.13 | donjoevanni | azeem: unfortunately, I can't put the whole error message into the nopaste window |
| 15:38.19 | GoAuLd | if what you say is true, mv shouldn't be able to overwrite files |
| 15:38.21 | kspath | GoAuLd: cp has -p which is quite nice. |
| 15:38.35 | user__ | kspath, as far as i konw there is no such option in that file |
| 15:39.15 | kspath | GoAuLd: That is not related to what I said. I was speaking ONLY about the file being moved. I was NOT saying that it would not replace/modify a file that was in that location previous to the move. |
| 15:40.19 | linuxdev | hi, VGA=XXX doesn't work for my framebuffer, the resolution remains 640*480, how can I change it/ |
| 15:40.41 | kspath | user__: Because it is not listed does that mean there are no other options? Perhaps you will need man pages for your sshd. There is the banner/welcome giveaway and there are others as well. Research. |
| 15:41.13 | user__ | kspath, banner in sshd is something diferent then im talking about |
| 15:41.36 | kspath | GoAuLd: mv does have a -i to avoid overwriting and a -v and ... |
| 15:41.50 | GoAuLd | ok |
| 15:42.06 | GoAuLd | ill watch out for a better mv command |
| 15:42.28 | kspath | user__: Than you can view/edit sshd source and/or many other options. |
| 15:42.36 | Shadowcat | mv GoAuLd Tokra |
| 15:42.37 | Shadowcat | :) |
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| 15:43.32 | kspath | GoAuLd: I like to use cp and rm myself. I mostly use mv for renaming. |
| 15:43.34 | wonwon | is there any parameter of mv can satisfy you? |
| 15:43.43 | user__ | kspath, i use debian for one reason - the package system |
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| 15:43.46 | GoAuLd | i'll move better into one asgard :) |
| 15:44.04 | user__ | if i want to play with the source and compile programs myself i'll switch to somethign else |
| 15:44.09 | Shadowcat | GoAuLd: NEVER! |
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| 15:45.53 | GoAuLd | better yet, i'll ascend thanks to the help of one of those stupid ascended beings |
| 15:45.55 | GoAuLd | haha |
| 15:46.10 | Shadowcat | they already got the memo about you |
| 15:46.11 | kspath | user__: Were you attempting to ask about version 1 and version 2 of ssh? |
| 15:46.18 | Shadowcat | Daniel took care of it last time he was up there |
| 15:46.21 | Shadowcat | >:) |
| 15:46.42 | donjoevanni | azeem: i have pasted my problem |
| 15:47.09 | donjoevanni | azeem: it's nr. 2026 |
| 15:47.18 | kspath | user__: Do you know what you are asking about? There are several things that might be called version related to ssh and sshd. |
| 15:47.25 | GoAuLd | nice idea! |
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| 15:47.32 | azeem | donjoevanni: can you tell me an URL, please? |
| 15:48.09 | user__ | kspath, you weer'nt, aren't and i think you won't be helpful in this matter |
| 15:48.10 | user__ | lol |
| 15:48.35 | GoAuLd | i'll move into daniel, now that he have so good helps up there |
| 15:48.49 | kspath | user__: I do not care about lol much but several that hang out here would prefer you use something like hehehe rather than lol. |
| 15:49.02 | kspath | user__: You are correct. I will be unable to help you. |
| 15:49.18 | user__ | kspath, i don't care about your preferences |
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| 15:49.35 | donjoevanni | azeem: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2026 |
| 15:49.43 | SerajewelKS | !tell user__ about lol |
| 15:49.45 | kspath | user__: You failed to read. That is likely the first problem you will need to overcome. |
| 15:49.54 | user__ | kspath, i appreciate if people shut up when they have nothing to say |
| 15:50.08 | marlun | After installing debian and in the Debian configuration a "configure Exim v4" is shown. I don't understand this, what should I choose? "Local delivery only; not on a network"? |
| 15:50.18 | kspath | user__: I appreciate it when people take there own advice. |
| 15:50.23 | SerajewelKS | user__: i think you'll find kspath had quite a bit to say, if you could be bothered to read it |
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| 15:51.14 | azeem | donjoevanni: did you mess around with localedef? |
| 15:51.26 | SerajewelKS | kspath: s/there/their/ |
| 15:51.38 | PerfDave | marlun: Do you want to recieve mail on the machine? Do you want to send mail from the machine? |
| 15:51.42 | Zugschlus | marlun: This has recently been re-documented, does http://pkg-exim4.alioth.debian.org/README/README.Debian.html#id2452084 help? |
| 15:51.56 | SerajewelKS | kspath: while we're talking about grammar ;) |
| 15:52.03 | user__ | SerajewelKS, don't spam me with that bot |
| 15:52.12 | marlun | Zugschlus, thanks I'll take a look. |
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| 15:52.16 | kspath | SerajewelKS: Thank you. Sorry, sometimes homonyms get replaced as my keyboard buffer level2(brain) gets filled up. |
| 15:52.19 | marlun | PerfDave, I'm not sure, I think so =) |
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| 15:52.37 | Leonidas | hi |
| 15:52.42 | SerajewelKS | user__: it wasn't spam. and if you don't like dpkg you might want to leave, because by the looks of things you will be receiving quite a bit of info from him. |
| 15:52.59 | donjoevanni | azeem: another one, related with ypbind: Mar 8 06:43:41 petofi ypbind[409]: broadcast: RPC: Timed out. |
| 15:53.03 | Vegar | Why isn't webmin in etch or sid? |
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| 15:53.18 | SerajewelKS | Vegar: there's a bug on wnpp about webmin i think |
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| 15:53.38 | SerajewelKS | Vegar: either there or on webmin itself, with a link to a mailing list post about it |
| 15:53.39 | Leonidas | Anyone with a sparc box here.. I've got some questions about sparc-sound.. |
| 15:53.47 | user__ | SerajewelKS, i like it if its used for a puprose |
| 15:53.52 | azeem | donjoevanni: don't know about that one |
| 15:54.08 | PerfDave | marlun: If you just leave it as "Local delivery only" for now, you can always change it later with "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" |
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| 15:54.38 | donjoevanni | azeem: about locales? |
| 15:54.55 | Vegar | SerajewelKS: so there's no package maintainer for webmin? |
| 15:55.00 | SerajewelKS | user__: i'm not going into a meta-conversation about this. i have class, bye. |
| 15:55.02 | azeem | donjoevanni: well, I don't know why it fails |
| 15:55.08 | SerajewelKS | Vegar: not at the moment |
| 15:55.10 | azeem | donjoevanni: did you edit something manually? |
| 15:55.36 | datn | is there any program to monitor ur network traffic in the console? |
| 15:55.46 | petemc | datn: iptraf |
| 15:55.51 | kspath | user__: By using the word class it was not meant as an insult but rather literally school(class). |
| 15:55.53 | Vegar | SerajewelKS: ok |
| 15:55.56 | Vegar | SerajewelKS: thanks |
| 15:56.11 | datn | petemc thanks |
| 15:56.13 | zamaliphe | dos any one have an idea how to use #sed to rebleas somsing with '/' like "/zam/man" ??? |
| 15:56.16 | SerajewelKS | kspath: hah, didn't even pick up on that ambiguity. thanks for specifying. |
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| 15:56.35 | azeem | zamaliphe: do s,/zam/man,/foo/bar, |
| 15:56.41 | kspath | SerajewelKS: Our language has so many. |
| 15:56.46 | azeem | i.e. change the delimiters, I think that works with sed |
| 15:56.49 | user__ | kspath, oh whank you for your translation i would never guess |
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| 15:58.08 | donjoevanni | azeem: 2027 and 2028 are my other problem numbers on that page |
| 15:58.15 | kspath | SerajewelKS: If you had said I have to leave for class. Than that would not cause any possible confusion I would hope. |
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| 15:58.19 | zamaliphe | azeem diden get it yet can u type full comand pleas !! |
| 15:58.28 | donjoevanni | azeem: these are my main problems |
| 15:58.40 | marcus__ | hi |
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| 15:59.38 | marcus__ | i just connected my somehwat older usb cd burner, and the dmesg says it has connected it at sr0, but when i do cdrecord -scanbus it won't showup (im running ech) |
| 15:59.41 | azeem | donjoevanni: sorry, no idea |
| 15:59.46 | donjoevanni | azeem: if I copy from another server the locales to this server and edit environment file, then it works but the warning remains |
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| 16:00.06 | datn | petemc that's quite a good program |
| 16:00.10 | petemc | yeah |
| 16:00.14 | donjoevanni | azeem: so all of the programs turns to Hungarian |
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| 16:01.45 | cire | I have to set up a very small business server. (4 clients). I want to use a hardware raid1 solution to store the data locally, and an usb external harddisk for backup. A friend told me, I should use SCSI instead of SATA because of longer lifetime and more reliability. He also told me to use a tape-backup solution because of better error-correction. What do you think? |
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| 16:02.16 | donjoevanni | azeem: and what is about http://channels.debian.net/paste/2027 and http://channels.debian.net/paste/2028? |
| 16:02.25 | azeem | donjoevanni: I said I don't know |
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| 16:02.50 | azeem | donjoevanni: you would be better advised to ask in the channel, somebody else might know, but wouldn't look cause you address me directly |
| 16:03.09 | donjoevanni | azeem: thanks |
| 16:03.33 | jnh-bitchx | cire: The points your friend made don't really seem to be that well informed :) |
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| 16:04.03 | Maelstrom` | Hi. |
| 16:04.29 | donjoevanni | Could somebody help me, because I get error message when I install the locales package (http://channels.debian.net/paste/206) |
| 16:04.35 | donjoevanni | ? |
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| 16:04.57 | azeem | donjoevanni: wrong URL |
| 16:04.57 | donjoevanni | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2026 |
| 16:05.10 | marcus__ | cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver. |
| 16:05.11 | azeem | didn't you just say that locales now works again, but you still get warnings? |
| 16:05.11 | datn | how do you apply top to all users? |
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| 16:05.17 | marcus__ | thats the error it gives |
| 16:05.19 | azeem | datn: top? |
| 16:05.24 | azeem | ah |
| 16:05.34 | kspath | datn: apply? |
| 16:05.40 | cire | jnh-bitchx: This doesn't help me very much. In which points is he wrong? |
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| 16:05.53 | donjoevanni | azeem: if I copy manually from another place |
| 16:05.56 | Maelstrom` | I want to use debian preseeding off a file on the CD. Specifically, I want to add the preseed file to a netinst ISO, but I don't know how. Is there any way I can edit the ISO to add the neccesary preseed file, and if not, how should I go about getting an ISO with the appropriate preseed file? |
| 16:06.00 | datn | kspath I want to top to display activities of all users that are log on the machine |
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| 16:06.24 | petemc | Maelstrom`: have a look at http://hands.com/d-i/ |
| 16:06.31 | kspath | datn: it does not now? |
| 16:06.39 | donjoevanni | azeem: are these warnings matters? |
| 16:06.58 | azeem | donjoevanni: they are only warnings |
| 16:07.09 | kspath | datn: top only will show a VERY limited amount of information. |
| 16:07.16 | datn | kspath when you are root / or user it only show of that certain user |
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| 16:07.24 | donjoevanni | azeem: then, I'm happy with the copy |
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| 16:07.45 | datn | kspath what do you advise to use so i can monitor ppl that access the pc, and what process they are running |
| 16:07.51 | kspath | datn: Do you have some extra security installed? |
| 16:08.03 | datn | kspath |
| 16:08.07 | kspath | datn: That is a VERY complicated question. |
| 16:08.10 | azeem | donjoevanni: do you mean you copy things all the time? |
| 16:08.24 | donjoevanni | Could somebody help me related with Samba (http://channels.debian.net/paste/2028) or ypbind (http://channels.debian.net/paste/2027)? |
| 16:08.45 | kspath | datn: I can not give you a decent answer to that. There is so much to know about it. |
| 16:08.52 | datn | kspath I just need a program that does ps ax |
| 16:09.14 | donjoevanni | azeem: no, I'm just copied it from another server to it's place, because it deletes resources if I choose --reinstall |
| 16:09.17 | kspath | datn: ps wax or ps ax or ps aux does not do what you want? |
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| 16:09.49 | azeem | donjoevanni: so does that mean locales is now properly installed or not? |
| 16:09.51 | donjoevanni | azeem: or the result is the same if I choose dpkg-reconfigure |
| 16:09.55 | kspath | datn: top does not do what ps does exactly. It has a different purpose that is similar to ps. |
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| 16:10.09 | datn | kspath i need ps to repeat every 5 sec |
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| 16:10.48 | petemc | datn: you might want to look into system accounting |
| 16:10.48 | kspath | datn: write a short script with a pause/sleep of 5 seconds and have it go to whatever display paged |
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| 16:10.58 | donjoevanni | azeem: if I remove squirrelmail-locales, squirrelmail, locales then reinstall them it won't help, if I copy the language files from the other server then the system accepts that |
| 16:11.22 | kspath | datn: petemc pointed out a tool that might be interesting to you. |
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| 16:12.43 | kspath | datn: there are things like top, htop, whowatch, w, ... There are dozens and even more depending on your requirements/purposes/needs |
| 16:12.44 | datn | kspath thanks I'll just knock up an easy perl script to do this |
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| 16:13.06 | parte | hi |
| 16:13.21 | parte | anyone got an idea --> |
| 16:13.28 | parte | checking for library containing res_mkquery... no |
| 16:13.29 | kspath | datn: If you are using perl than you can build something quite powerful for that purpose but it will have some limits. |
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| 16:13.33 | parte | configure: error: Unable to find library containing res_mkquery() |
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| 16:17.32 | datn | ls |
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| 16:19.24 | MyWay | How do i install Xorg? |
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| 16:19.53 | thingfish | !tell MyWay about xorg sarge. |
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| 16:20.13 | MyWay | thanks thingfish but i can't view sites |
| 16:20.19 | MyWay | how can i install xorg? |
| 16:20.33 | thingfish | what do you mean, you can't view sites? |
| 16:20.52 | MyWay | yes i'm having problems going in x |
| 16:20.58 | MyWay | it always says screen not found |
| 16:21.12 | MyWay | sometimes when i reconfigure it works, but when i reboot as before doesn't work |
| 16:21.13 | thingfish | MyWay: you can get it from backports.org, however be aware that it wants to remove gnome, at least on my setup. |
| 16:21.33 | MyWay | i don't understand thingfish |
| 16:21.37 | thingfish | MyWay: are you using sarge? |
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| 16:21.38 | MyWay | how can i install it? |
| 16:21.41 | MyWay | yes |
| 16:21.49 | MyWay | i'm using it. |
| 16:22.05 | thingfish | add this line to /etc/apt/sources.list: http://www.backports.org/debian/ sarge-backports main contrib non-free |
| 16:22.11 | MyWay | ok |
| 16:22.18 | thingfish | then apt-get update |
| 16:23.01 | donjoevanni | azeem: now I have copied the locales files back a try, whether it works |
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| 16:23.49 | azeem | donjoevanni: what do you mean by "locales files"? |
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| 16:24.14 | ILF_ | how to change resolution / font size on tty1-6 ? |
| 16:24.21 | MyWay | does i need something for run xorg? |
| 16:24.28 | MyWay | like window-system or what |
| 16:24.35 | thingfish | MyWay: if there are dependencies, you will be told. |
| 16:24.41 | MyWay | k |
| 16:24.47 | thingfish | MyWay: yes, you'll also need x-window-system |
| 16:25.04 | MyWay | thingfish: is x-window-system-core enough? |
| 16:25.11 | thingfish | MyWay: probably. |
| 16:25.19 | MyWay | i don't like too many tools that i'll never use |
| 16:25.20 | MyWay | :P |
| 16:25.29 | thingfish | understandable. |
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| 16:25.44 | fas3r | MyWay, xserver-xorg , x-window-system-core , defoma , |
| 16:25.55 | donjoevanni | azeem: well, if I reinstall locales with apt-get or dpkg-reconfigure, then it deletes all from /usr/lib/locales and locale-gen failes, because calls localedef with illegal -A parameter, so the folder is empty and I can't reinstall the files just copy from another debina server of the school |
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| 16:26.16 | MyWay | xorg doesn't work with gnome, what i have to use now? |
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| 16:26.24 | azeem | it deletes from /usr/lib/locales? |
| 16:26.30 | donjoevanni | yes |
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| 16:26.54 | donjoevanni | azeem: just have a look for locale-gen file |
| 16:26.56 | azeem | donjoevanni: do you have localepurge or something installed? |
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| 16:27.19 | GoAuLd | myway use kde, its better |
| 16:27.26 | donjoevanni | azeem: as I konw there is no such of program installed |
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| 16:27.44 | _satans_ny | MyWay: fluxbox is really good |
| 16:27.45 | thingfish | MyWay: as fas3r said, you'll also want xserver-xorg - but I was thinking apt-get install xorg would pull in all this other stuff...been too long since I did that. |
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| 16:28.19 | azeem | donjoevanni: did you try to remove unneccesary locales from /etc/locale.gen? |
| 16:28.20 | thingfish | and actually, I haven't done it at all from backports, since I want to keep gnome. |
| 16:28.24 | fas3r | thingfish yes but i think if he want gnome it's make apt-get install xserver-xorg gnome ^^ |
| 16:28.44 | thingfish | afaik, he can't have both xorg from backports and gnome. |
| 16:29.04 | MyWay | hm |
| 16:29.06 | MyWay | but fluxbox |
| 16:29.09 | MyWay | has no icons |
| 16:29.16 | thingfish | on my system at least, trying to install xorg from backports requires that sarge's gnome be removed. |
| 16:29.19 | alex116 | get iDesk |
| 16:29.29 | thingfish | MyWay: you have X now? |
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| 16:29.37 | MyWay | i'm installing xorg |
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| 16:29.47 | MyWay | but i think it will not work too |
| 16:29.48 | thingfish | I thought you were looking at fluxbox. |
| 16:29.51 | alex116 | no icons is no problem if you configure your right click menu nicely in fluxbox |
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| 16:30.17 | thingfish | and of course, there's always kde 3.5 from backports - maybe it's fine with xorg. |
| 16:30.18 | fas3r | MyWay, i think you have forget a package |
| 16:30.37 | thingfish | MyWay: what video card do you have? |
| 16:30.42 | naddar | Anyone knows, why i can't get a IP adress from my modem |
| 16:30.44 | MyWay | fas3r: possible, it's the third time i'm unistalling and restalling all |
| 16:30.52 | MyWay | thingfish: embedded in the mother board |
| 16:30.54 | naddar | i have a computer with 2 network cards |
| 16:31.02 | fas3r | MyWay, you have install defoma ? |
| 16:31.04 | naddar | and 1 is ok but the one from my modem not |
| 16:31.05 | MyWay | but the thing i don't understand is |
| 16:31.11 | MyWay | a time it worked |
| 16:31.14 | MyWay | then i rebooted |
| 16:31.20 | MyWay | and it didn't worked |
| 16:31.32 | fas3r | MyWay, have you install defoma package ? |
| 16:31.35 | MyWay | fas3r: yes but when it asked me to set as default |
| 16:31.35 | loggygreg | !tell MyWay about enter |
| 16:31.36 | thingfish | MyWay: not surprised. what chipset? |
| 16:31.36 | MyWay | i choosed NO |
| 16:31.44 | donjoevanni | azeem: no, I haven't tried |
| 16:31.52 | MyWay | chipset VIA probably, it's the Asus k8v-MX |
| 16:31.55 | naddar | anyone can help me |
| 16:32.01 | fas3r | MyWay, you have install gdm or xdm or kdm ? |
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| 16:32.08 | MyWay | i installed GDM |
| 16:32.18 | fas3r | make a apt-get upgrade |
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| 16:32.24 | fas3r | or apt-get -if install |
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| 16:32.33 | fas3r | apt-get -f install sorry |
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| 16:32.43 | FoxAFK | bye |
| 16:32.43 | cbx33 | anyone here know if you can manually edit the dpkg database |
| 16:33.00 | azeem | cbx33: don't |
| 16:33.01 | MyWay | fas3r: i did it before |
| 16:33.10 | donjoevanni | azeem: /etc/locale.gen contains only Hungarian |
| 16:33.29 | donjoevanni | azeem: which is good for me |
| 16:33.34 | loggygreg | cbx33: /var/lib/dpkg/status ? but don't do that |
| 16:33.46 | cbx33 | heheh |
| 16:33.53 | fas3r | MyWay, you have install xbase-fonts package ? |
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| 16:33.57 | cbx33 | don;t worry it's for a legitimate reason |
| 16:33.59 | cbx33 | :p |
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| 16:34.18 | fas3r | sorry xfonts-base ? |
| 16:34.33 | fas3r | it's xfonts-base |
| 16:34.44 | ZantaF | i have just installed debian but my x server dosent load, here is a log of the errors http://channels.debian.net/paste/2029 |
| 16:34.58 | fas3r | MyWay, and xbase-clients ???????? |
| 16:35.02 | cbx33 | i need to pretend php4 isn't installed for a while :p |
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| 16:35.36 | naddar | how can i tell what is my primary eth |
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| 16:36.11 | petemc | naddar: dmesg |
| 16:36.28 | naddar | dsmeg? |
| 16:36.32 | petemc | yes |
| 16:36.36 | naddar | just type dmesg |
| 16:36.37 | petemc | actually, no |
| 16:36.38 | petemc | dmesg |
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| 16:36.55 | fas3r | if MyWay has disconnect , it's resolve :) |
| 16:37.03 | thingfish | oh wait, I was totally mistaken - there is no metapackage "xorg" |
| 16:37.13 | petemc | naddar: dmesg|grep eth might be better in your case |
| 16:37.25 | naddar | ok thanks i check once |
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| 16:40.59 | donjoevanni | azeem: the only line that might cause problem is: " localedef -i $input -c -f $charset -A /etc/locale.alias $locale; \ |
| 16:40.59 | donjoevanni | " |
| 16:41.24 | donjoevanni | azeem: there is no parameter "-A" |
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| 16:41.36 | MyWay | ok |
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| 16:41.42 | MyWay | it'w working now! |
| 16:41.45 | azeem | donjoevanni: where is that line from? |
| 16:41.47 | thingfish | yay |
| 16:42.11 | donjoevanni | azeem: /usr/sbin/locale-gen |
| 16:42.16 | MyWay | thanks you thingfish, i have 2 last questions, the one is: i remember i had to add something for download and install Opera, what? |
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| 16:42.40 | MyWay | and the second is: when i double click on an HD or something it appear in a new window, why? |
| 16:42.42 | thingfish | MyWay: not really sure - try adding contrib and non-free. |
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| 16:42.51 | MyWay | ok thingfish |
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| 16:42.58 | thingfish | the only time I got Opera was from a .deb at their website. |
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| 16:43.38 | thingfish | at Opera's website, I mean. |
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| 16:43.52 | mwnnj | hello to you all! |
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| 16:44.12 | mwnnj | i have the following problem restarting my dhcp server on debian sarge |
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| 16:44.37 | mwnnj | No subnet declaration for restart (0.0.0.0). |
| 16:44.37 | mwnnj | Please write a subnet declaration in your dhcpd.conf file for the |
| 16:44.37 | mwnnj | network segment to which interface restart is attached. |
| 16:44.37 | mwnnj | exiting. |
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| 16:45.07 | sett[away] | could anyone tell which package contains dig utility or nslookup? |
| 16:45.17 | alex116 | is it possible to convert a filesystem from reiser to ext3 or should I back up my data format and restore? |
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| 16:46.00 | nuxil | sett[away] net-tools |
| 16:46.04 | nuxil | ? |
| 16:46.10 | MyWay | why when i click on the hard disk, or something it open a new window and don't open it in the same? |
| 16:46.22 | sett[away] | This includes arp, ifconfig, netstat, |
| 16:46.22 | sett[away] | rarp, nameif and route. |
| 16:46.31 | sett[away] | no dig and nslookup there |
| 16:46.37 | alex116 | myway are you using nautilus in gnome? |
| 16:47.02 | nuxil | sett[away] arpsdigi? |
| 16:47.07 | MyWay | hm yes, probably it's the default |
| 16:47.07 | alex116 | open a shell and type "nautilus --browser" |
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| 16:47.17 | MyWay | ok thanks |
| 16:47.39 | thingfish | try dns-utils |
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| 16:48.06 | thingfish | yikes, never mind, that's from 2002. |
| 16:48.06 | nuxil | alex116 backup first then make mkfs.ext3 and restor |
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| 16:48.14 | alex116 | thx nuxil |
| 16:48.15 | mwnnj | sorry i was shortly away |
| 16:48.28 | sett[away] | no package dns-utils exists |
| 16:48.28 | mwnnj | so i'll post my question once more time |
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| 16:48.44 | sett[away] | dnsutils |
| 16:48.49 | sett[away] | i've got it |
| 16:48.51 | sett[away] | thx |
| 16:48.52 | mwnnj | as i'm trying to restart my dhcp server after editing it shows me: |
| 16:49.12 | mwnnj | No subnet declaration for restart (0.0.0.0). |
| 16:49.13 | mwnnj | Please write a subnet declaration in your dhcpd.conf file for the |
| 16:49.13 | mwnnj | network segment to which interface restart is attached. |
| 16:49.13 | mwnnj | exiting. |
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| 16:49.37 | alakad | HI, I need help, my gnome volume manager doesnt work, it says that the devices are allready mounted |
| 16:49.39 | thingfish | sett[away]: sorry about the "-" |
| 16:50.18 | sett[away] | no problem, I should have checked the packages.debian.org search capabilities first |
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| 16:50.37 | alakad | HI, I need help, my gnome volume manager doesnt work, it says that the devices are allready mounted |
| 16:50.37 | nkuttler | mwnnj: hm, are your interfaces configured? |
| 16:50.38 | Ungy | mwnnj Do not paste |
| 16:51.23 | alakad | please help |
| 16:52.05 | alex116 | alakad I would but I've never used that program. if you tell me what you want to do maybe I can help you another way |
| 16:52.07 | Ungy | Alam_Linux,try being a bit more specific what volumes what is the exact problem |
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| 16:52.20 | Ungy | sorry Alam_Linux |
| 16:52.23 | realPIMP | hello |
| 16:52.33 | Ungy | alakad, try being a bit more specific what volumes what is the exact problem |
| 16:52.33 | donjoevanni | azeem: is that line buggy? |
| 16:52.35 | chrysopa | how to make cups to be used by WXP without SAMBA, using the by ip? |
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| 16:52.38 | realPIMP | PLS is here someone who likes Fantsy games?????? |
| 16:52.40 | Xeem | r |
| 16:52.42 | realPIMP | PLS is here someone who likes Fantsy games?????? |
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| 16:52.47 | abrotman | wrong channel |
| 16:52.48 | Xeem | hi |
| 16:52.49 | alakad | its the gnome automount , a combination of udev an hal |
| 16:52.57 | abrotman | realPIMP: this is not a gaming channel .. please go away |
| 16:53.03 | alakad | pendrives and that kind of stuff |
| 16:53.11 | nuxil | what does hald do? |
| 16:53.17 | abrotman | !hal |
| 16:53.17 | dpkg | i heard hal is a Hardware Abstraction Layer from freedesktop.org, which gives desktop software a programmatic way to examine the hardware present in a system and be notified of its changes. |
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| 16:53.27 | azeem | donjoevanni: $charset might be null |
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| 16:53.46 | goron | I can't visit Slashdot anymore with Firefox. It just says "Transferring data from slashdot.org". I think they changed something to their site, since I didn't change anything in my configuration. |
| 16:53.54 | azeem | donjoevanni: can you paste the content of /etc/locale.gen, please? |
| 16:54.17 | RedDrag0n | Hi... I have a computer here which can't boot from the CD drive, so I was wondering how would I go into running the install from CD using a floppy disk, anybody? |
| 16:54.20 | alakad | its supposed to automount the usb peripherials but if you try to acces them it says they are allready mounted |
| 16:54.25 | Xeem | and users cant write on this disk |
| 16:54.25 | goron | After like ten minutes or so, the page is displayed, so it seems like some kind of time out. |
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| 16:54.54 | thingfish | slashdot's fine via firefox here. |
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| 16:55.07 | Ungy | alakad, maybe your not understanding tell us your problem specifically |
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| 16:55.21 | Xeem | somebody can help me? |
| 16:55.45 | alakad | when i press on the pendrive icon it says that the thing is allready mounted in /media |
| 16:55.47 | nuxil | alakad lsof /dev/device and see whats using it |
| 16:55.58 | goron | thingfish: Now, it works here too. I added one link to my adblocker, and now it works. |
| 16:56.15 | Ungy | alakad like "I am trying to mount my iPod via Gnome Volume manager Everythign seems fine but when I attempt to access it it tells me the volume is already mounted." Or somethign like that |
| 16:56.16 | thingfish | goron: or they were just down for a moment. |
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| 16:56.35 | goron | thingfish: no, I had this for a couple of days now. |
| 16:56.39 | thingfish | ah |
| 16:56.51 | alakad | Ungy, thats itttttt!!!!!!!!!!! forget my english i am spanish :D |
| 16:56.55 | RedDrag0n | Hi... I have a computer here which can't boot from the CD drive, so I was wondering how would I go into running the install from CD using a floppy disk, anybody? |
| 16:57.02 | RedDrag0n | xD |
| 16:57.04 | goron | thingfish: I have google-analytics in my /etc/host mapped to 127.0.0.1 |
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| 16:57.12 | Ungy | alakad, well then there is #debian-es |
| 16:57.22 | goron | thingfish: and a JavaScript is required from that page, and I think it waits until it's loaded. |
| 16:57.27 | nixxie | how do I regenerate /etc/modules.conf? depmod -a doesnt. |
| 16:57.43 | nuxil | RedDrag0n read the netinstall and use floppys |
| 16:57.50 | goron | nixxie: reading the manpage helps. |
| 16:57.54 | alakad | Ungy, but here you are more competent so how can I fixit |
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| 16:58.14 | RedDrag0n | nuxil, I don't want to do the net instal... just use the files already on the CD :/ |
| 16:58.38 | nuxil | RedDrag0n why.. is you use netinstall you get a uptodate system |
| 16:58.42 | nuxil | *is/if |
| 16:58.48 | goron | Websites without advertisements are so relaxing :) |
| 16:58.51 | alakad | Ungy, how can i fixit |
| 16:59.14 | kspath | goron: less clutter in general is good also. |
| 16:59.17 | Ungy | alakad, I don't know since i don;t know exactly what the proble you are having is. |
| 16:59.32 | loggygreg_ | nixxie: update-modules maybe |
| 17:00.02 | alakad | Ungy, its just as you said i cant mount my ipod |
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| 17:00.05 | goron | kspath: yes, you don't want to see those things called websites at myspaces.com. They are guaranteerd to be Instant Confusing. |
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| 17:00.17 | RedDrag0n | I know nuxil ;) but this comp's really OLD, all I need is the basic debian files installed on here, so I can just install it X, IceWM, and be happy forever :P - or to put it in other words, running the Debian Install CD's boot without booting from CD? |
| 17:00.17 | nixxie | thx. a hard crash trashed my modules.conf so it didnt auto update |
| 17:00.29 | alakad | Ungy, the volume is allready mounted |
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| 17:00.57 | donjoevanni | azeem: there is my locale.gen http://channels.debian.net/paste/2030 |
| 17:01.02 | mgajo | m |
| 17:01.08 | kspath | goron: To the eye at least. What you and I call confusion can become comfortable and familiar over time. |
| 17:01.14 | azeem | donjoevanni: right, the blank is the issue |
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| 17:01.18 | nuxil | RedDrag0n are you 100% sure it cant boot from cd? did you check the bios |
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| 17:01.30 | azeem | donjoevanni: eh, wait |
| 17:01.35 | sarathms | can i use an alternative installer with Sarge CDs |
| 17:01.40 | donjoevanni | azeem: what does it mean? |
| 17:01.47 | RedDrag0n | nuxil yes I did, tried with lots of CDs too, the CD drive is kinda damaged so it can't boot from CD |
| 17:01.48 | azeem | donjoevanni: I am sorry, that was a wrong statement |
| 17:01.51 | kspath | goron: Just look out a window in a city to see evidence of that. |
| 17:01.52 | Ungy | alakad "apt-cache search ipod" I won't use anything made by Apple in fact I won't even support anyone who uses apple products so consider this much information a gift |
| 17:02.02 | RedDrag0n | it can read though, just not boot |
| 17:03.01 | alakad | Ungy, i dont use a fucking ipod y use i pendrive, i just sayng that my problem matches the example you just gave me |
| 17:03.02 | goron | It's pretty funny when people say:"Oh, no, you block banners. Now they don't have money to maintain the website". |
| 17:03.05 | alakad | I HATE APPLE |
| 17:03.06 | swordlaw | hello, i have a problem with a dir i can't access as a normal user : I can't make the permissions change and neither the owner!!! |
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| 17:03.24 | kspath | alakad: get in line |
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| 17:03.41 | RedDrag0n | lol |
| 17:03.41 | goron | What's wrong with Apple? |
| 17:03.50 | alex116 | nothing they're just ranting |
| 17:03.51 | alakad | its just a big secta |
| 17:03.52 | dos000 | is there a way i can get my hand on the debian sarge installer source ? |
| 17:04.00 | goron | I hate Mac Users. |
| 17:04.05 | yggdrasil | me 2 |
| 17:04.08 | thingfish | I kind of wish I had an apple, just so I could see what osx is all about. |
| 17:04.14 | alex116 | they're jeallous about what apple did with bsd |
| 17:04.14 | goron | Generalising of course. |
| 17:04.20 | Ungy | !startoswar |
| 17:04.25 | RedDrag0n | Macs are expensive, that's the only thing I hate about them :/ |
| 17:04.29 | yggdrasil | i put linux on an old mac clone startmax 3000/180 and use it as my servers |
| 17:04.35 | RedDrag0n | Lol |
| 17:04.38 | alex116 | i agree with redDra0n |
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| 17:04.45 | p8m | osx sucks because it's non-free :P |
| 17:04.47 | RedDrag0n | :P |
| 17:04.48 | donjoevanni | azeem: so Is still feel that if localdef claims that it doesn't have -A parameter, then something is wrong with the script |
| 17:04.55 | kspath | goron: Any organization is or can be a target of hate simply by existing. There is a lot to not appreciate about Apple just as there is a lot to appreciate about Apple. |
| 17:05.00 | Ungy | OSX sucks period |
| 17:05.04 | alex116 | p8m it doesn't even ask you for a registration |
| 17:05.10 | pipeline | OSX SUCKS: FILM AT ELEVEN |
| 17:05.20 | yggdrasil | how do they get away with selling bsd ... |
| 17:05.22 | p8m | alex116: it's doesn't provide the source under a free license either |
| 17:05.24 | pipeline | alex116: Heh, that's the thing: OSX would be a vastly better system if it were built on BSD. |
| 17:05.25 | yggdrasil | that makes me mad |
| 17:05.33 | Ungy | yggdrasil, how does redhat get away with selling Linux |
| 17:05.35 | swordlaw | hello, i have a problem with a dir i can't access as a normal user : I can't make the permissions change and neither the owner!!! can anybody give me a hand on this? |
| 17:05.36 | pipeline | alex116: But it's not. FreeBSD is a vastly better system. |
| 17:05.45 | yggdrasil | ungy good point i hate them too |
| 17:05.50 | goron | pipeline: FreeBSD RULEZ, right? |
| 17:05.52 | warreng | i know you don't officially support or recommend using backports on a stable sarge install... but.... would installing a backport of libc6 (2.3.5 over 2.3.2) break every program that links to those libs? or should it be okay? |
| 17:05.54 | Knight_Lord | swordlaw what's the ls -la of the dir? |
| 17:05.56 | alex116 | Darwin isn't a bsd variant? |
| 17:06.01 | pipeline | alex116: No, not really.y |
| 17:06.08 | alakad | Ungy, so can you help me |
| 17:06.10 | warreng | alex116: freebsd variant |
| 17:06.11 | pipeline | alex116: Darwin is a FreeBSD variant in the sense that Windows is an OpenBSD variant. |
| 17:06.26 | kspath | omg stop with the linux/bsd/unix free/non-free wars |
| 17:06.28 | pipeline | goron: I don't really like FreeBSD. But it is a reasonably modern OS. Which OSX is not. |
| 17:06.41 | pipeline | alex116: i.e. not at all |
| 17:06.42 | swordlaw | Knight_Lord: it is only permitted to root |
| 17:06.43 | p8m | Darwin kinda uses the freebsd userland, right? |
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| 17:06.46 | priscila | pipeline: it's a good system for a server, but doesnt if you want use it on a desktop. |
| 17:06.55 | warreng | pipeline: but apple took freebsd and forked it at one point.. and still applies freebsd patches when necessary, right? |
| 17:07.00 | pipeline | priscila: Why not? I used it as a desktop for years. I was pretty happy. |
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| 17:07.07 | yggdrasil | if apple was so dam cool they would have just developed on linux. and done everyone a favor |
| 17:07.09 | Ungy | alakad I don;t have a pen drive either and have never seen your problem before. I know there are some devices that have problems like my mp3 player wouldn;t connect and in fact I later found out it only worked with xp I gave it away ;-) |
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| 17:07.12 | pipeline | warreng: It's not a fork of FreeBSD. It uses some FreeBSD source, but it is, in no way, related to FreeBSD. |
| 17:07.15 | azeem | donjoevanni: what does ory |
| 17:07.17 | RedDrag0n | I don't like non-free stuff either, but I'd like to know how to run the Sarge CD boot without the CD booting from it (using a floppy disk maybe?) |
| 17:07.18 | wwallace_lap | hello abrotman |
| 17:07.18 | goron | pipeline: I know what a modern system should look like, I just don't know how OSX looks like other than from the outside. |
| 17:07.19 | azeem | blah |
| 17:07.24 | yggdrasil | and jus stuck with selling hardware |
| 17:07.26 | kspath | This is #debian |
| 17:07.27 | azeem | donjoevanni: what does md5sum /usr/bin/localedef say? |
| 17:07.30 | swordlaw | Knight_Lord: the thing is that i do chown user file and it doesn't do anything |
| 17:07.32 | pipeline | goron: Well, working threading and a decent filesystem would be good starts. |
| 17:07.35 | warreng | yggdrasil: cause bsd licensing allows comercialization where as GNU linux doesn't |
| 17:07.39 | p8m | RedDrag0n: can you use the boot floppies? |
| 17:07.41 | yggdrasil | mmm |
| 17:07.46 | Ungy | alakad, try searching specifically for the device name on the web or in the apt-cache |
| 17:07.55 | p8m | warreng: You can use gpl software in commercial applications. |
| 17:07.55 | goron | pipeline: you mean that they have a f*cked up implementation of threads in OSX? |
| 17:08.07 | wwallace_lap | #osx |
| 17:08.07 | RedDrag0n | p8m, I can make some with the RAWRITE program thing, but how would I go into running the cd install? |
| 17:08.08 | p8m | warreng: There is a difference between commercial and proprietary. |
| 17:08.08 | pipeline | goron: "fucked up" is all too kind. |
| 17:08.11 | warreng | p8m: but deriviatives have to be OSS as well |
| 17:08.12 | azeem | goron: please stay on topic |
| 17:08.15 | FlimFlamMan | how do i get a library to reference files in /usr/local/lib instead of /usr/lib? i tried export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib, but ldd <file> still points at the one in /usr/lib |
| 17:08.16 | azeem | pipeline: you too |
| 17:08.27 | warreng | p8m: where as they can modify freebsd code and not release it |
| 17:08.40 | pipeline | warreng: You can modify Debian code and not release it, too. |
| 17:08.44 | Ungy | pipeline, Windows 2000 and XP uses BSD source as well |
| 17:08.48 | swordlaw | Knight_Lord: and even with chmod, I still can't access it |
| 17:08.52 | warreng | is debian released under GPL? |
| 17:08.53 | kspath | azeem: It was partially my fault for responding to something shiney that was off-topic. Sorry. |
| 17:08.59 | pipeline | Ungy: OpenBSD. Yes, for the Services for UNIX subsystem. |
| 17:09.05 | p8m | warreng: You can modify it all you want and keep it a secret :) |
| 17:09.06 | wwallace_lap | debian debian |
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| 17:09.10 | Ungy | warreng, if you release it you must provide source |
| 17:09.11 | azeem | pipeline: eh, didn't you get the message? |
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| 17:09.23 | azeem | Ungy: please stay on topic |
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| 17:10.00 | loggygreg | swordlaw: you can't change permission with root ? |
| 17:10.00 | alakad | Ungy, thanks anyway for the help i will try some more googleeing |
| 17:10.08 | SerajewelKS | warreng: debian is released under lots of licenses |
| 17:10.09 | Peizhao | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:10.20 | Peizhao | anyone can help me with this |
| 17:10.22 | SerajewelKS | warreng: the individual packages can each have their own license if they are DFSG-compliant |
| 17:10.23 | Ungy | azeem my last post was on Topic if you modify source provided by Debian and release it you must provide that source but if you don;t release it you do not have to provide it |
| 17:10.42 | azeem | Ungy: no, you musn't in general |
| 17:10.49 | azeem | mustn't, even |
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| 17:11.13 | Ungy | azeem, OK maybe i shoudl say under th GPLv2 |
| 17:11.18 | azeem | right |
| 17:11.19 | dos000 | anyone know were the sarge installer source is ? i am having a weird raid1 problem and i want to see how the installer does it. |
| 17:11.21 | pipeline | Ungy: Even under the GPL, you only have to provide source to people you gave binaries to. That's all. |
| 17:11.30 | SerajewelKS | Ungy: as i told warreng, each package can have its own license (BSD, whatever, so long as it's DFSG-compliant) |
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| 17:11.49 | aquabat | hi |
| 17:11.53 | donjoevanni | azeem: "6841318f91cf3910a07f28c95b030f9c /usr/bin/localedef |
| 17:11.53 | donjoevanni | " |
| 17:12.00 | priscila | pipeline: do you like the bsd philosopy "look at the source and do whatever you want with it" ? |
| 17:12.04 | donjoevanni | azeem: 6841318f91cf3910a07f28c95b030f9c /usr/bin/localedef |
| 17:12.15 | goron | Some companies now use GPL as being LGPL. |
| 17:12.18 | donjoevanni | azeem: "6841318f91cf3910a07f28c95b030f9c /usr/bin/localedef |
| 17:12.18 | donjoevanni | " |
| 17:12.23 | azeem | donjoevanni: I saw |
| 17:12.24 | priscila | s/plilosopy/philosophy |
| 17:12.30 | donjoevanni | sorry :) |
| 17:12.31 | Ungy | I prefer the Apache liscence |
| 17:12.39 | SerajewelKS | goron: maybe the FSF will sue them for us =) |
| 17:13.00 | azeem | donjoevanni: what does localedef -A say? |
| 17:13.18 | RedDrag0n | p8m, say I download the files, make a bootdisk, boot the PC with it and insert the CD after getting a prompt. What would I do for running the CD's install script? |
| 17:13.19 | Ungy | SerajewelKS, have you read the rough draft of the GPLv3? |
| 17:13.28 | donjoevanni | azeem: "localedef: invalid option -- A |
| 17:13.28 | donjoevanni | Try `localedef --help' or `localedef --usage' for more information. |
| 17:13.28 | donjoevanni | " |
| 17:13.32 | aquabat | I'm looking for a way to find actual package names for things listed in the applications menu in KDE. |
| 17:13.43 | azeem | that's strange |
| 17:13.49 | azeem | donjoevanni: what does locate localedef say? |
| 17:13.59 | SerajewelKS | Ungy: no |
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| 17:14.11 | mwnnj | @nkutter:sorry,i've just written the same message to a mailing list |
| 17:14.19 | Ungy | I think anything released under the GPLv3 shoudl be excluded from Debian unless they make some drastic changes |
| 17:14.23 | donjoevanni | azeem: "/usr/bin/localedef |
| 17:14.23 | donjoevanni | /usr/local/bin/localedef |
| 17:14.23 | donjoevanni | /usr/share/man/man1/localedef.1.gz |
| 17:14.23 | donjoevanni | /usr/src/glibc-2.2.5/locale/localedef |
| 17:14.23 | donjoevanni | /usr/src/glibc-2.2.5/locale/localedef.d |
| 17:14.23 | donjoevanni | /usr/src/glibc-2.2.5/locale/localedef.o |
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| 17:14.41 | azeem | there you go |
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| 17:14.52 | p8m | Ungy: because of the drm sections? or the affero compatability sections? |
| 17:14.55 | SerajewelKS | /usr/local? |
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| 17:15.08 | azeem | donjoevanni: so that's why, you got a bogus glibc in /usr/local |
| 17:15.08 | loggygreg | aquabat: an awful method is to open the menulist editor find what command and dpkg -S 'command' |
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| 17:15.11 | Ungy | what is with all the pasters today |
| 17:15.14 | mwnnj | @ungy:sorry ,i was away |
| 17:15.27 | mwnnj | i think that everything is fine working |
| 17:15.29 | p8m | RedDrag0n: /sbin/debian-installer maybe? sorry, I'm not sure about this |
| 17:15.32 | donjoevanni | szeem: sorry, for that paste i've kicked |
| 17:15.33 | azeem | Ungy: my fault, I wouldn't though it'd be more than two lines |
| 17:15.39 | azeem | donjoevanni: no problem |
| 17:15.39 | ZantaF | im trying to install the latest drivers off of the nvidia website for my graphics card and mobo but its coming up with no kernel interface or something like that |
| 17:15.46 | Ungy | p8m, how about both those are both pretty damn drastic |
| 17:15.47 | mwnnj | at lest before i reconfigured the dhcpd.conf |
| 17:16.03 | donjoevanni | azeem: have you wrote me for that ? |
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| 17:16.09 | goron | I agree with the opinion that GPL does not encourage people to develop code, other than for reputation. LGPL seems much more fair to me. |
| 17:16.18 | mwnnj | afterthat i receive the error-message |
| 17:16.24 | azeem | donjoevanni: you need to remove glibc from /usr/local |
| 17:16.47 | labanux | is that possilbe if we make a compiled gui app to be install in another pc's? |
| 17:16.47 | Ungy | goron I agree |
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| 17:16.48 | donjoevanni | azeem: how can I do it? apt-get remove glibc? |
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| 17:16.58 | p8m | goron: It's not about fair, it's about promoting a political idea. Many do not see proprietary software as "fair". |
| 17:17.02 | azeem | donjoevanni: no |
| 17:17.06 | SerajewelKS | goron: the GPL contributes more to the community than LGPL, since GPL'd libraries must be used in GPL'd software. LGPL allows anybody to use the library. |
| 17:17.16 | azeem | donjoevanni: your friend apparently put it there manually, you'll need to remove it manually |
| 17:17.32 | loggygreg | aquabat: s/command/application/ |
| 17:17.35 | resiak | SerajewelKS: s/'d/-compatible/ |
| 17:17.37 | SerajewelKS | goron: LGPL should be used by libraries promoting a standard, e.g. vorbis. for others not so much. |
| 17:17.48 | donjoevanni | azeem: which files? |
| 17:17.49 | resiak | Vorbis has a bsd-licensed decoder, actually |
| 17:17.51 | SerajewelKS | resiak: except no |
| 17:18.00 | aquabat | loggygreg : thanks |
| 17:18.05 | resiak | SerajewelKS: GPL-compatible libraries must be used in GPLed software |
| 17:18.06 | azeem | donjoevanni: I don't know, quite a lot I guess |
| 17:18.15 | azeem | donjoevanni: make your friend do it, if you don't know how |
| 17:18.18 | goron | p8m: The business model where you have a lot of users that pay some small amount of money doesn't work for GPL. |
| 17:18.22 | p8m | goron: There are more human motivations than money and fame. Although you can make money selling/supporting gpl code. |
| 17:18.32 | donjoevanni | azeem: thanks |
| 17:18.32 | resiak | goron: Then that business model is broken |
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| 17:18.39 | goron | p8m: Software that Just Works needs no support. |
| 17:18.40 | SerajewelKS | resiak: afaik that's not a correct statement |
| 17:18.46 | p8m | goron: Then a new business model needs to be created. |
| 17:18.54 | FlimFlamMan | how do i get a python package to use .so files in /usr/local/lib instead of /usr/lib ? |
| 17:18.59 | resiak | SerajewelKS: It's absolutely a correct statement, since that's what GPL-compatible _means_ |
| 17:19.01 | goron | p8m: Indeed, and nobody has a clue of what it is. |
| 17:19.08 | goron | p8m: It's my no means "support". |
| 17:19.18 | goron | p8m: er by no means |
| 17:19.23 | SerajewelKS | resiak: if a license is GPL-compatible, that does not mean i need to release it under the GPL, it means i have to release it under the original compatible license, and possibly also the gpl |
| 17:19.30 | warreng | so nobody answered my backport question... would backporting libc6 up to 2.3.5 (overwriting the stable 2.3.2) be a *REALLY* bad idea? or could it be just fine? (i'm not looking for a definitive answer... more of some soft recommendations one way or the other) |
| 17:19.43 | p8m | goron: What do you mean? Most software is not shrinkwrap, it's custom made. |
| 17:19.54 | azeem | warreng: yes |
| 17:19.56 | insidius | Hmm where can i find the location of the file that allows me to deny/allow access to ssh and set the passwords for it? |
| 17:19.58 | resiak | SerajewelKS: I don't understand what exactly you are asserting, I guess. |
| 17:19.59 | SerajewelKS | warreng: if you don't absolutely need to, don't do it |
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| 17:20.11 | manu | hi |
| 17:20.20 | Ungy | insidius, try /ets/ssh |
| 17:20.26 | resiak | insidius: ssh uses the user's regular password. for who is allowed, see /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 17:20.34 | warreng | SerajewelKS: well i need svn 1.3, which is experimental and relies on libc6 2.3.5, which is in "testing" |
| 17:20.37 | SerajewelKS | resiak: i'm asserting GPL vs LGPL, not necessarily any particular point about either, just differences in the consequences of the choice |
| 17:20.37 | manu | I'm looking for a doc on how to crypt a partition, is someone have a url ? |
| 17:20.44 | SerajewelKS | warreng: so use testing |
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| 17:20.58 | resiak | SerajewelKS: You seem to be saying that if you want to link a library to a GPLed program, the library must be under the GPL. |
| 17:21.06 | SerajewelKS | resiak: not at all |
| 17:21.10 | azeem | warreng: I doubt svn relies on glibc-2.3.5 *source wise* |
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| 17:21.29 | goron | p8m: Take for instance a program which models forces etc, for bridge construction. |
| 17:21.30 | SerajewelKS | resiak: i'm saying that to link a GPL library to a program, the program must be GPL. |
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| 17:21.43 | warreng | azeem: correct... it's only the debian package.... are you saying you'd highly recommend installing svn from source rather than installing the svn backport and the libc6 backport? |
| 17:21.56 | azeem | is there a libc6 backport? |
| 17:22.07 | warreng | http://packages.debian.org/testing/libs/libc6 |
| 17:22.15 | azeem | that's not a backport |
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| 17:22.20 | p8m | goron: Every engineer at my university takes a programming class :) |
| 17:22.21 | warreng | er ya you're right |
| 17:22.25 | azeem | if there is svn on backports.org, I highly recommend using that |
| 17:22.26 | SerajewelKS | resiak: and since LGPL does not make this restriction, it should only be used in *important* libraries that are setting standards, as it allows proprietary developers to "work off our backs" so to speak |
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| 17:22.53 | warreng | azeem: i'm sorry... i got slightly confused... there's a 1.3 svn backport... which relies on 2.3.5... |
| 17:22.54 | SerajewelKS | resiak: LGPL should only be used (IMO) in cases where it's important that everyone use it |
| 17:23.17 | insidius | No matter how many times i enter the password, i always get: Permission denied when using ssh |
| 17:23.20 | warreng | azeem: and i don't believe there's a 2.3.5 backport... |
| 17:23.26 | SerajewelKS | resiak: otherwise you're just giving a gift to proprietary developers |
| 17:23.34 | Ungy | insidius, what user are you loggins in as? |
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| 17:23.57 | Peizhao_ | hi I have kernel panic message saying "libncurses.so.5: cannot open shared object file:Input/Output error" what is this mean |
| 17:23.58 | azeem | warreng: if the backport relies on a glibc not instable, it's not a backport |
| 17:23.58 | insidius | A normal user, i have also tried logging in directly as root |
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| 17:24.04 | azeem | s/instable/in stable/ |
| 17:24.14 | resiak | SerajewelKS: I agree with you on where the LGPL should be used. However, I'm fairly sure that "to link a GPL library to a program, the program must be GPL." is wrong |
| 17:24.38 | goron | p8m: My brother has graduated from one of the most respected universities in this area. He had a programming class. He's an amateur. |
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| 17:24.55 | zinx | resiak: it's true |
| 17:24.58 | sprink | hello folks, was just lookin for a way to see what packages depend on a specific packages, and not the other way around. I didn't see anything in apt-cache man page |
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| 17:25.13 | goron | p8m: You really need some knowledge of computing to create something that does not suck. |
| 17:25.31 | SerajewelKS | resiak: that is exactly the problem that the LGPL was designed to overcome |
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| 17:25.40 | donjoevanni | azeem: why apt-get remove glibc is harmful for the system? |
| 17:25.44 | azeem | donjoevanni: you cannot |
| 17:25.54 | resiak | zinx: It makes the program be effectively under the GPL, but one counter-example is the synaptics touchpad module for X.org. The former is GPL, the latter is not. |
| 17:25.55 | warreng | azeem: hah.. you're right.. i got all my facts mixed up..... there isn't a backport for svn 1.3 or a backport for 2.3.5..... svn 1.3 is on debian.org as "experimental" and it relies on libc6 2.3.5 which is "testing".... i'm trying to figure out the best way to get svn 1.3 without breaking stuff.... |
| 17:25.56 | SerajewelKS | resiak: the library headers and interfaces are part of the source code of the library, which is GPL. you #include them and all of a sudden you're using GPL code. |
| 17:26.01 | azeem | donjoevanni: the glibc in /usr/local was not installed by APT, so you cannot remove it with it either |
| 17:26.02 | p8m | Does apt-get remove apt-get harm the system? :P |
| 17:26.25 | SerajewelKS | resiak: the wording of the LGPL specifically tries to cover this and dynamic linking. in the GPL it's not clear if "linked with" includes dynamic linking. |
| 17:26.33 | donjoevanni | p8m: :) |
| 17:26.35 | zinx | resiak: that's very questionably legal :) |
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| 17:27.02 | resiak | zinx: No, it's entirely legal, _but_ if X.org were to depend on it then it would effectively make X.org be GPLed |
| 17:27.10 | resiak | so basically we all agree |
| 17:27.15 | zinx | resiak: no.. |
| 17:27.17 | resiak | and I have to pack now, so happy #debianing |
| 17:27.23 | zinx | resiak: i say it's questionably legal, you say it's entirely legal |
| 17:27.31 | zinx | resiak: it does not sound like we agree :) |
| 17:27.36 | resiak | :) |
| 17:27.42 | donjoevanni | azeem: glibc was installed originally with Debian (by the guy who made it) |
| 17:27.44 | zinx | resiak: i guess what it comes down to, though |
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| 17:27.59 | zinx | resiak: is that the synaptic module people are never going to sue for it being used in X.org |
| 17:28.05 | azeem | donjoevanni: yes, and it's still there, in /libc |
| 17:28.08 | zinx | resiak: as that's the entire point of it anyway :D |
| 17:28.08 | azeem | eh, /lib |
| 17:28.09 | p8m | goron: yes, I understand. Freedom has a heavy cost :( |
| 17:28.17 | azeem | donjoevanni: however, you guys installed *ANOTHER* glibc in /usr/local |
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| 17:28.25 | azeem | which is what makes your system corrupt |
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| 17:28.32 | azeem | you need to get rid of that rogue glibc |
| 17:28.36 | goron | p8m: Indeed, and without a Tax system of some kind, those applications will never be free. |
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| 17:28.50 | goron | Note that I don't say I want such a system. |
| 17:28.57 | donjoevanni | azeem: :) it seems that I made you tired, so thanks for your help, that's all for today :) |
| 17:28.57 | foo | Hmm, anyone run VMware 5.5 Workstation on debian by any chance? Having some problems ... http://pastebin.com/594747 ... I am filing a problem on their site now, just wondering. |
| 17:29.02 | warreng | azeem: so what would you recommend if svn 1.3 is a requirement for me? just installing it from source? |
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| 17:30.10 | azeem | warreng: dude, did you even check backports.org? |
| 17:30.11 | azeem | http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/s/subversion/ |
| 17:30.43 | warreng | azeem: 1.2.3 < 1.3 |
| 17:30.45 | azeem | ah |
| 17:30.51 | azeem | why do you need 1.3? |
| 17:30.53 | jae | anyone managed to create an SSL cert for Courier with TinyCA? |
| 17:31.00 | warreng | because it has reworked ruby bindings |
| 17:31.17 | azeem | warreng: well, I suggest building it from source then |
| 17:31.22 | p8m | goron: |
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| 17:31.50 | warreng | azeem: and that's because i can't really make my system use "testing" libc6 and "experimental" subversion without changing the whole system to experimental, right? |
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| 17:31.57 | swordlaw | hello, i have a problem with a dir i can't access as a normal user : I can't make the permissions change and neither the owner!!! can anybody give me a hand on this? |
| 17:32.06 | p8m | goron: I don't think a tax system would be necessary. Maybe just educating more programmers and letting them have more free time would be enough. |
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| 17:32.25 | azeem | warreng: yes |
| 17:32.39 | warreng | and running "experimental" on a production server is a really bad idea... right? |
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| 17:32.59 | gnufan | swordlaw: output of "ls -ld <dir>" ? |
| 17:33.02 | azeem | warreng: right |
| 17:33.05 | loggygreg | swordlaw: can you change the permissions with root ? |
| 17:33.24 | warreng | azeem: gotcha... thanks for all the answers :) |
| 17:33.40 | aquabat | what does the `rc' next to a package name in the `dpkg -l' list represent? |
| 17:33.42 | warreng | last question... if i build svn from source... is there a "clean" way to do it through the package system so i could remove it later with dpkg? |
| 17:33.55 | azeem | aquabat: "removed, but keeping configuration files around" |
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| 17:34.30 | desk | alguien habla español ? |
| 17:34.36 | loggygreg | !es |
| 17:34.36 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:34.39 | aquabat | and i can drop these files by? apt-get or dpkg command? |
| 17:34.50 | warreng | aquabat: dpkg --purge package |
| 17:34.51 | azeem | aquabat: why do you want to drop them? |
| 17:34.54 | desk | gracias !!! |
| 17:35.07 | aquabat | azeem: most of them are games and flat out junk |
| 17:35.19 | aquabat | ill never use |
| 17:35.39 | loggygreg | aquabat: so dpkg --purge <package> |
| 17:35.42 | sprink | how could I see what packages depend on a specific package, instead of seeing what a specific package depends on? |
| 17:35.43 | swordlaw | gnufan: the permissions are restricted to only root |
| 17:36.18 | donjoevanni | azeem: you have right, when the server stalled, before that my colleague installed glibc (when you asked me to locate localedef, it showed glibc sources in /usr/src) |
| 17:36.24 | loggygreg | sprink: apt-cache rdepends <package> |
| 17:36.31 | rbb36 | Hi, I'm looking for a way to send mouse events from a script - something like writing to /dev/input/mouse0 would be fine, for example. Any thoughts? |
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| 17:36.57 | sprink | loggygreg, awesome! ty |
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| 17:39.12 | Peizhao_ | what is the quick to mount a linux image to loop device |
| 17:39.14 | Chance | hello, anyone that can help me with a full install debian on a remote server ? |
| 17:39.17 | resiak | !loop |
| 17:39.17 | dpkg | loops are BAD! |
| 17:39.19 | resiak | :( |
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| 17:39.30 | Spec | Peizhao_: mount -o loop /path/to/cdrom.iso /mnt/cdrom |
| 17:39.54 | Spec | add a -t filesystem if you want |
| 17:40.01 | Peizhao_ | do I need to specify the offset option? |
| 17:40.09 | Spec | err |
| 17:40.12 | Spec | i don't? |
| 17:40.53 | Spec | !pm |
| 17:40.53 | dpkg | it has been said that pm is private message, or post meridiem, or prime minister, or perl mongers, or pathetic moron: when you see someone say pm, they're asking if you think that they're a pathetic moron, or something you don't do without asking permission |
| 17:40.55 | donjoevanni | azeem: there was a 2.2.5, then 2.3.2.ds1 compilled and installed from sources |
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| 17:41.34 | Chance | Spec can i msg you please ? |
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| 17:41.50 | Spec | i don't know you...why? |
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| 17:42.38 | Ungy | wow mozilla made 72 million last year? |
| 17:43.05 | Peizhao_ | anyone have idea of how to resize a linux partition without damaging the file? I want to enlarge the existing partition |
| 17:43.06 | syche | Google helped ;) |
| 17:43.17 | azeem | Peizhao_: what file system? |
| 17:43.20 | Spec | Peizhao_: qparted |
| 17:43.26 | Chance | Spec i need some help to install debian on a remote box |
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| 17:43.41 | Peizhao_ | linux ext2 I guess |
| 17:43.44 | azeem | Chance: then ask the channel specific question, do not ask individuals |
| 17:43.46 | Spec | Peizhao_: you need to resize the partition and the filesystem |
| 17:43.53 | blakkino | Peizhao_, ext2resize |
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| 17:44.07 | Ungy | syche it fully explains I know where the Toronto Office is and I go by there everyonece and I while I share the same colocation they all use Mac's and have 22 INCH LCD monitors and are expanding ther ewas only 2 but they are adding 2 more employees |
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| 17:44.23 | Chance | azeem well i did but usually people send us to docs ! i have read the docs but that still doesn't mean i can do it ! |
| 17:44.38 | azeem | Chance: did you try? |
| 17:44.45 | Spec | read better docs? |
| 17:44.53 | Peizhao_ | my goal is not to damaging any file within the partition |
| 17:44.54 | Chance | if i try and not succede how the hell will i boot my box up again !? |
| 17:45.08 | Spec | with difficulty |
| 17:45.18 | Spec | if you try by someone's specific guidance, and fail, will you blame them? |
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| 17:45.31 | Peizhao_ | no |
| 17:45.37 | Chance | no i won't but someone with more experience has bigger chances then i do |
| 17:45.40 | azeem | Chance: don't erase your existing operating system then, install Debian along it |
| 17:45.42 | initzero_ | where is C:\ ??? |
| 17:45.51 | azeem | initzero_: it does not exist |
| 17:45.51 | Spec | initzero_: you're joking |
| 17:45.52 | Jhair | what? |
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| 17:46.14 | Peizhao_ | yes, under WINE package |
| 17:46.16 | Chance | azeem i can't ? because the space is already filled up with things |
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| 17:46.29 | initzero_ | i did $C:\ |
| 17:46.33 | initzero_ | and now: > |
| 17:46.46 | warreng | so can anybody give me reasons why i shouldn't run "experimental" on a production server? |
| 17:46.47 | dingbat | Anyone know where the replacement ant package is? doesn't seem to be any, libant1.5-java certanly isn't :P |
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| 17:46.56 | Spec | warreng: because it's unstable |
| 17:46.58 | azeem | warreng: uhm, you shouldn't |
| 17:46.59 | Spec | or rather, it can be unstable |
| 17:47.02 | warreng | like i understand the concepts of "experimental" and "production" are mutually exclusiv.. but beyond that |
| 17:47.14 | Spec | and production implies that you need stability... |
| 17:47.24 | Unetixs | I checked dselect, but it's huge and I can't find my base php installation. I need to know what version of the package I have installed, how do I do that? |
| 17:47.28 | initzero_ | bash: C:: command not found |
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| 17:47.39 | azeem | warreng: we won't give you any more reason than "you shouldn't". You can still do it, of course |
| 17:47.40 | Spec | Unetixs: dpkg -l |grep -i <package> |
| 17:47.45 | Unetixs | thanks a lot spec |
| 17:47.45 | azeem | but argueing about it is pointless |
| 17:47.47 | warreng | stability yes, but i also need newer packages (not just SVN, but quite a few packages) |
| 17:47.50 | Spec | Unetixs: or apt-cache showpkg <package> |
| 17:47.54 | initzero_ | bash: C:: command not found !!! bug! or not?! |
| 17:47.54 | dingbat | where did the ant package go :/ |
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| 17:48.07 | zinx | initzero_: if you're not just trolling, you need to read some basic "DOS to unix" howto's |
| 17:48.07 | azeem | warreng: if you need svn on a production server, you're doing something wrong anyway, IMHO |
| 17:48.25 | Spec | dingbat: in stable? |
| 17:48.40 | dingbat | Spec: yea, sry should have mentioned that :P |
| 17:48.43 | Spec | what's wrong with svn in production? |
| 17:48.44 | loggygreg | initzero_: what is C ? |
| 17:48.47 | initzero_ | zinx: i thought dos and unix is mostly the same since both are command line based |
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| 17:48.56 | azeem | initzero_: no |
| 17:48.56 | Spec | dingbat: ant is ant in stable, make sure your sources are correct (/etc/apt/sources.list) |
| 17:48.58 | initzero_ | C: is the hdd |
| 17:48.59 | azeem | initzero_: read up on it, please |
| 17:49.03 | zinx | initzero_: i'll take that as an "i'm just trolling" :) |
| 17:49.24 | Chance | so ? |
| 17:49.25 | Spec | initzero_: / is 'C' |
| 17:49.32 | initzero_ | okay |
| 17:49.37 | Spec | most likely |
| 17:49.44 | Jhair | initzero_: do `touch "C:\\"` and then play with your shiny new C:\ whatever |
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| 17:49.52 | Spec | hehe |
| 17:49.56 | initzero_ | cd /; dir worked :) |
| 17:50.04 | Spec | yeap, dir will work |
| 17:50.07 | Spec | use ls though |
| 17:50.11 | Spec | ls --color is even prettier |
| 17:50.22 | weedar | because command line is all about pretty |
| 17:50.23 | Peizhao_ | ioctl: LOOP_SET_FD: Device or resource busy |
| 17:50.31 | initzero_ | ls and ls --color look like the same |
| 17:50.33 | Peizhao_ | when I tried to mount to loop |
| 17:50.35 | Spec | weedar: are you trying to tell me it's not? ;) |
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| 17:50.54 | weedar | Spec, I wouldn't dream of it ;) |
| 17:51.01 | initzero_ | but i have another prob: i cant see any *.exe files |
| 17:51.14 | Spec | :-/ |
| 17:51.16 | azeem | initzero_: look |
| 17:51.19 | zinx | DNFTT |
| 17:51.20 | azeem | initzero_: read a book |
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| 17:51.32 | azeem | initzero_: or use a graphical desktop environment like KDE or GNOME |
| 17:51.43 | initzero_ | i have xfce installed |
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| 17:51.47 | initzero_ | isnt this also good |
| 17:51.49 | Chance | great help thanks a bunch. |
| 17:51.51 | azeem | initzero_: yes |
| 17:51.52 | Jhair | initzero_: why did you installed debian if you want to see your exe files... |
| 17:51.53 | Absorto | Hello! How can I tell wich package conains a certain file? say, /usr/lib/python2.4/config/Makefile |
| 17:51.57 | Jhair | *sigh* |
| 17:52.05 | Spec | Absorto: apt-file |
| 17:52.11 | azeem | initzero_: if you don't want to learn abut Unix, fine, but please do not bother us with "this is different to DOS" |
| 17:52.23 | Spec | Absorto: you'll need to install it, and then do apt-file update, then apt-file search <file> |
| 17:52.28 | initzero_ | isnt dos/win the standard |
| 17:52.30 | loggygreg | Absorto: dpkg -S yourfile |
| 17:52.33 | abrotman | initzero_: no |
| 17:52.34 | Spec | or that |
| 17:52.36 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 17:52.36 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "docs", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 17:52.43 | Peizhao_ | hi I got "ioctl: LOOP_SET_FD: Device or resource busy" when I tried to mount an image to loop |
| 17:52.44 | Jhair | initzero_: probably your standard |
| 17:52.53 | goron | initzero_: are you serious? |
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| 17:53.00 | weedar | Actually I was pretty amazed the first time I saw colors when using ssh. That was neat =) |
| 17:53.23 | initzero_ | goron: yes, i used ONLY windows and dos up to now |
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| 17:53.41 | Absorto | hey, thanks loggygreg ! worked like a charm. |
| 17:53.41 | Jhair | weedar: how do you that? colors with ssh -l <myuser> <host> ? |
| 17:53.52 | Spec | Peizhao_: losetup /dev/loop0 /path/to/image.img |
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| 17:53.59 | Spec | Peizhao_: mount /dev/loop0 /mnt/path |
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| 17:54.06 | goron | initzero_: well, then you have a long way to go. Good luck :) |
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| 17:54.15 | markit | hi, sorry for the newbie question, but where does alsa store config info? I want to back them up before some experiment... |
| 17:54.16 | markit | btw, I've no sound with debian vanilla kernel 2.6.15-k7, while it works fine when I boot with 2.6.14-k7.. anyclue? |
| 17:54.19 | weedar | Jhair, I guess it all depends on what machine you're logging on to.. But in this case I log on to my debian sarge box from this one (which runs kubuntu) |
| 17:54.24 | Peizhao_ | thx |
| 17:54.27 | Spec | Peizhao_: if that doesn't work, replace loop0 with loop1 for both commands |
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| 17:55.15 | Jhair | weedar: oh I see! I do have a color prompt (green) with ssh probably is just to define the alias in the .bashrc of the remote machine |
| 17:55.25 | weedar | Jhair, exactly :) |
| 17:55.26 | Jhair | weedar: I mean for colourfuul ls |
| 17:55.26 | initzero_ | omg now the ping program doesnt stop! |
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| 17:55.42 | loggygreg | initzero_: CTRL-C |
| 17:55.43 | weedar | try ctrl+c initzero_ |
| 17:55.55 | initzero_ | lol good |
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| 17:56.22 | initzero_ | in windows there were only 4 pings sent |
| 17:56.24 | Spec | Peizhao_: did it work? |
| 17:56.38 | Spec | initzero_: in linux you have the ability to choose how many pings you want, or if you want it to keep going to test network connectivity |
| 17:56.39 | Peizhao_ | no, |
| 17:56.39 | abrotman | initzero_: man ping .. you can do it in linux too |
| 17:56.47 | Spec | same error? |
| 17:56.48 | Peizhao_ | it ask for file system type |
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| 17:57.01 | bernardo_ | in spanish please ?? |
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| 17:57.10 | muttix | ping -c4 |
| 17:57.11 | Peizhao_ | I give it I will guess it is ext2 or ext3 |
| 17:57.13 | Spec | Peizhao_: mount -t iso9600 /dev/loop0 /mnt/path |
| 17:57.18 | Spec | oh, it's not a cdrom image? |
| 17:57.21 | Jhair | bernardo_: in spanish go to debian-es |
| 17:57.42 | Peizhao_ | mount: unknown filesystem type 'iso9600' |
| 17:57.49 | Spec | 9660 |
| 17:57.52 | Spec | sorry |
| 17:57.52 | bernardo_ | Jhair, thanks you |
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| 17:57.57 | Spec | that's for cd-rom images though |
| 17:57.58 | muhoo | it's been a couple years since i had to add new hardware to my system... gotta get a USB DVDR burner. |
| 17:58.06 | muhoo | any reason why this wouldn't work on sarge? http://shopper-zdnet.com.com/4014-3212_15-30186183.html?tag=upidmlp&cip=1&rvwtp=4508-5_15-30186183 |
| 17:58.15 | Peizhao_ | wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop2 |
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| 17:58.24 | muhoo | i'm using kernel 2.6.11.12 on this box |
| 17:58.32 | Peizhao_ | it is an linux system image for compact flash disk |
| 17:58.32 | Spec | what type of image is it? (file /path/to/image.img) |
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| 17:58.51 | Spec | how was it created? |
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| 17:59.04 | curt | bernardo_, /msg dpkg es |
| 17:59.21 | Peizhao_ | it is a image from manufacturer of a small device |
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| 18:00.09 | Spec | well, if it's ext2 or ext3 you should specify that instead of iso9660 |
| 18:00.10 | Peizhao_ | x86 boot sector, LInux i386 boot LOader, version 22.5.8 Debian |
| 18:00.23 | curt | muhoo, /msg dpkg hardware |
| 18:00.25 | Peizhao_ | the same error, I did that |
| 18:00.30 | initzero_ | the more i know about linux the less i believe its really that good as said |
| 18:00.32 | nkuttler | mwnnj: please ask in the channel, you will get more help |
| 18:00.42 | Spec | umm, i'm not sure what you would specify, sorry, try google? |
| 18:00.57 | Peizhao_ | ok, thanks anyway |
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| 18:01.17 | curt | initzero_, you gotta be kidding me, i had to install win2k on a box today. talk abouta mess. |
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| 18:02.15 | initzero_ | curt: lol, the debian linux install was so difficult for me compared to win2k |
| 18:02.25 | initzero_ | i did almost give up |
| 18:03.10 | curt | initzero_, besides being ot, wink2 gotta virus instantly, the only way to solve it was to disconnect the network cable, so I don't wanna hear it... |
| 18:03.12 | muhoo | curt: linuxhardware.net search interface is broken, and lhd.datapower.com is 404 |
| 18:03.23 | goron | curt: same here, with Windows XP. |
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| 18:03.25 | muhoo | so that bot entry is pretty hosed |
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| 18:03.47 | Spec | it's good that it's easy to install inferior software -- really |
| 18:03.54 | Terminus | initzero_: well, just don't expect that linux == windows. :) |
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| 18:03.58 | curt | muhoo, i'll get another for you, just a sec |
| 18:03.58 | initzero_ | you guys must first patch it and then go online *sure!* |
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| 18:04.22 | azeem | initzero_: do you have any specific questions? |
| 18:04.29 | curt | initzero_, im'm done it's off topic |
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| 18:05.21 | initzero_ | azeem: no, i dont get the whole system! there arent any drives with letters just this "/", i think its a very odd system |
| 18:05.34 | Cynthrax | is there a boot parameter to install the system directly with the 2.6 kernel? |
| 18:05.48 | SerajewelKS | Cynthrax: linux26? |
| 18:05.48 | curt | muhoo, try this one > http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/ |
| 18:06.00 | *** mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ |
| 18:06.00 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*=initzero@*.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] by azeem |
| 18:06.00 | abrotman | !tell initzero_ about grounding |
| 18:06.00 | *** mode/#debian [-o azeta] by azeem |
| 18:06.01 | gnufan | Cynthrax: no you just type "linux26" or "expert26" |
| 18:06.13 | azeem | initzero_: you have been silenced for 10 minutes due to off-topicness |
| 18:06.15 | SerajewelKS | azeem: -o azeta? |
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| 18:06.20 | azeem | typo |
| 18:06.23 | Cynthrax | gnufan, thx |
| 18:06.25 | SerajewelKS | azeem: =) |
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| 18:06.35 | azeem | initzero_: please take the time to read up on Unix and GNU/Linux |
| 18:06.48 | blakkino | :) |
| 18:06.50 | blakkino | stupid question |
| 18:06.52 | Spec | oo, politically correct! stallman would be happy :p |
| 18:06.54 | abrotman | or OSX .. or BSD .. or Hurd .. |
| 18:06.56 | blakkino | echo a &> x |
| 18:07.00 | muhoo | ah, linux-usb.org looks promising |
| 18:07.02 | blakkino | is equivalent to echo a > x 2> x |
| 18:07.02 | blakkino | ? |
| 18:07.03 | Defty | is there some way I can install an older versions of say xserver-xorg, since 6.9 breaks my dual head setup? |
| 18:07.04 | goron | Spec: :D |
| 18:07.15 | azeem | initzero_: your questions show a profound lack of trying to inform yourself |
| 18:07.16 | abrotman | !sdn |
| 18:07.17 | SerajewelKS | blakkino: more generally, echo 2>&1 > x |
| 18:07.17 | dpkg | [sdn] go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 18:07.17 | aminorex | is there any way to get apt-get to explain why it thinks dependencies are broken? |
| 18:07.20 | Defty | apt-show-versions doesn't show a 6.8 available |
| 18:07.28 | Defty | abrotman: hmm ok :-) |
| 18:07.28 | blakkino | yes |
| 18:07.30 | pipeline | Defty: I installed the sarge packages of the xserver-xfree86 at some point to no ill effect. |
| 18:07.36 | pipeline | Defty: Another option is snapshot.debian.net |
| 18:07.38 | gnufan | Why oh why can I never remember that pattern substitution in "vi" string is "\n" when n is the nth pattern matched... |
| 18:07.44 | pipeline | Defty: Be very, very careful with snapshot.debian.net... |
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| 18:07.55 | blakkino | echo 2>&1 > x make sense |
| 18:08.00 | blakkino | but &> ? :) |
| 18:08.08 | Defty | pipeline: so.. you think I could actually switch to xfree86? |
| 18:08.12 | SerajewelKS | blakkino: &> is just a shortcut for the former |
| 18:08.24 | pipeline | Defty: Well, it's a very bad idea... |
| 18:08.32 | blakkino | :) |
| 18:08.37 | blakkino | there is also &>> right? |
| 18:08.39 | SerajewelKS | blakkino: because "2>&1 >" is such a common thing, &> is more convenient |
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| 18:08.44 | SerajewelKS | blakkino: not sure, man bash |
| 18:08.48 | gnufan | aminorex: it usually just tells you roughly, or you mean it is not on a new install, but the current system state? |
| 18:08.53 | Spec | wait, 2>&1 > is equivalent to &> ? |
| 18:09.02 | SerajewelKS | Spec: yes |
| 18:09.03 | Spec | damn |
| 18:09.06 | Spec | that makes things easy -.- |
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| 18:09.20 | SerajewelKS | Spec: yup, i was happy when i found it (while randomly reading man bash) |
| 18:09.28 | Spec | can't say i randomly read man bash :p |
| 18:09.33 | SerajewelKS | Spec: the bash manpage has some cool shit in it, if you take the time to read it |
| 18:09.34 | Spec | i do recommend it to annoying people though |
| 18:09.38 | Spec | *innocent* |
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| 18:10.12 | aminorex | gnufan, for example: perl-doc: Depends: perl (>= 5.8.4-1) but it is not going to be installed |
| 18:10.24 | aminorex | it leaves the question open; why not? |
| 18:10.25 | eeyore- | lost of pictures of new mini-itx boards (CeBIT) over at www.mini-itx.com, if you're interested in that sort of thing |
| 18:10.33 | Spec | aminorex: just do: apt-get install perl |
| 18:10.46 | Glanzmann | has someone running debian on the new intel mac mini |
| 18:10.49 | foof_ | maybe i have to do some research first |
| 18:10.52 | eeyore- | everything from Geode, Intel Pentium M, Core Duo, and NForce4 in mini-itx form factor |
| 18:10.55 | Glanzmann | foof_: Go to university. |
| 18:10.57 | Defty | eh, can you think why snapshot wouldn't show a package called xserver-xorg at all? |
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| 18:10.59 | Spec | Glanzmann: does any distro of linux run on the new intelimacs? |
| 18:11.04 | abrotman | Glanzmann: there's a website for that |
| 18:11.12 | shew | Mozilla + pdf question: Does anyone know how to save or print from within mozilla-bonobo when viewing a pdf? |
| 18:11.13 | aminorex | that's a bit odd, since i have perl installed, but it works, thanks. |
| 18:11.16 | Glanzmann | Spec: I don't know. But I ordered one today. And I plan on running etch on it. |
| 18:11.23 | Glanzmann | abrotman: http://www.mactel-linux.org/wiki/HOWTO |
| 18:11.27 | eeyore- | and two small pc's from aopen (newer than their "pandora") and shuttle! the shuttle one is *really thin* it's almost like a tiny scanner |
| 18:11.27 | gnufan | Glanzmann: and a channel for ppc on Debian -- they are helpful but quieter |
| 18:11.33 | Glanzmann | gnufan: INTEL |
| 18:11.35 | abrotman | http://www.sowerbutts.com/linux-mac-mini/ |
| 18:11.42 | shew | mozilla + pdf question continued: The pdf was generated from a javascript button, so I can't right-click save-link-as. |
| 18:11.46 | Spec | Glanzmann: well, if you're in the mood of ordering mac intel's for other people... :p |
| 18:11.47 | abrotman | Glanzmann: sorry .. that's for PPC :) |
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| 18:12.04 | SerajewelKS | Glanzmann: if you're running it on intel, just buy a regular pc and avoid all the proprietary apple shit |
| 18:12.05 | abrotman | Glanzmann: yeah .. that's the website i wanted |
| 18:12.05 | sprink | is this just a bug or what? I had webmin installed along with a module for snort, and when I removed webmin it removed snort with it |
| 18:12.11 | azeem | Glanzmann: AFAIK, Debian doesn't support the Mac on Intel yet |
| 18:12.14 | Glanzmann | Spec: No, I am not. I install it myself. |
| 18:12.29 | Spec | damn, worth a shot :p |
| 18:12.32 | initzero | hey i learded a lot about the unix file system |
| 18:12.43 | abrotman | initzero: come on .. |
| 18:12.55 | Glanzmann | azeem: I think, I get it running by myself. |
| 18:12.57 | SerajewelKS | initzero: have you tried learning english too? |
| 18:13.04 | abrotman | !de |
| 18:13.05 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 18:13.09 | initzero | no not yet |
| 18:13.11 | Glanzmann | SerajewelKS: This mac hardware has no propertary shit in it. |
| 18:13.24 | Glanzmann | But it has a processor that support vanderpool. |
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| 18:13.30 | abrotman | isn't the BIOS prorpietary? |
| 18:13.34 | aminorex | ok, so now i've got perl 5.8.8 installed, but i'm still getting this: perl-doc: Depends: perl (>= 5.8.4-1) but it is not going to be installed |
| 18:13.36 | azeem | it's different |
| 18:13.37 | Glanzmann | So I can run the propertary shit next to linux. |
| 18:13.38 | azeem | EFI |
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| 18:13.45 | SerajewelKS | Glanzmann: it will have TC on the motherboard, and it costs a shitload more than any other intel box |
| 18:13.46 | eeyore- | abrotman: bios? the mac mini or something? |
| 18:13.50 | Glanzmann | EFI isn't propoetary. |
| 18:13.52 | initzero | intel is just shit |
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| 18:14.01 | Spec | there's a livecd for intelimacs. o.O |
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| 18:14.17 | Glanzmann | SerajewelKS: Who do you trust when you don't trust your PC. |
| 18:14.24 | eeyore- | bah ... go pick up mini-itx board already :-) |
| 18:14.26 | abrotman | us gov't obviously |
| 18:14.42 | SerajewelKS | Glanzmann: Trusted Computing is not named correctly -- it is the exact opposite |
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| 18:14.45 | eeyore- | or nano-itx, but them nano's are darn expensive right now |
| 18:14.54 | Spec | aminorex: that's annoying |
| 18:15.07 | Glanzmann | SerajewelKS: Good thing that I can use TC to obtain my own goals. |
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| 18:15.21 | gnufan | aminorex: what version of Debian are you using? |
| 18:15.23 | Glanzmann | Like make people telling me stuff on IRC I already know. |
| 18:15.27 | aminorex | sarge |
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| 18:15.50 | Spec | TC is pretty evil, i'd have to say... |
| 18:15.51 | SerajewelKS | Glanzmann: if it's stuff you know, it should be obvious why buying an intel mac to put linux on it is a stupid idea |
| 18:16.03 | initzero | my gnome is broken |
| 18:16.10 | Glanzmann | SerajewelKS: I am an engineer not a politican. |
| 18:16.13 | gnufan | aminorex: so why the hell does it have perl 5.8.8 on it? |
| 18:16.22 | eeyore- | SerajewelKS: i would say "absurd" rather than "stupid" |
| 18:16.23 | curt | !tell initzero -about ask |
| 18:16.39 | Glanzmann | So, no, it isn't a stupid idea. At least not for me. |
| 18:16.42 | azeem | SerajewelKS: it is totally fine to install Debian on a Mac |
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| 18:16.48 | azeem | just not supported yet |
| 18:16.50 | aminorex | because that's what apt-get perl installed. |
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| 18:17.01 | Defty | heh... i'm going an experimental version of xorg before downgrading back to 6.8 ... |
| 18:17.01 | Spec | hey, I want an intel mac to install linux on it |
| 18:17.05 | zinx | you people need to buy a non-mac and give me the money you saved |
| 18:17.07 | eeyore- | Glanzmann: you can also get aopen's minipc, with core duo and i945 |
| 18:17.08 | Spec | but more of a "because i can" sort of reason |
| 18:17.53 | eeyore- | Glanzmann: it's not like apple has an exclusive on tiny computers |
| 18:17.58 | initzero | my gnome is broken because gnomemeeting is unavailable |
| 18:18.01 | initzero | what can i do |
| 18:18.02 | gnufan | aminorex: sarge has perl 5.8.4 -- me thinks -- not sure but I know I hit stuff because I wanted a later perl. |
| 18:18.06 | SerajewelKS | azeem: fine, yes. smart? economical? |
| 18:18.13 | azeem | SerajewelKS: how is that relevant here? |
| 18:18.15 | Glanzmann | eeyore-: Send URL. |
| 18:18.26 | Glanzmann | Than I have two redunancy is always a good thing |
| 18:18.31 | eeyore- | http://www.mini-itx.com/2006/03/09/shuttles-xpc-mini-x100 |
| 18:18.44 | eeyore- | http://www.mini-itx.com/2006/03/10/inside-aopens-next-minipc |
| 18:19.07 | abrotman | initzero: stop running sid |
| 18:19.07 | SerajewelKS | azeem: running debian on intel macs isn't relevant either, since we don't support them yet.. eh? |
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| 18:19.31 | eeyore- | http://www.mini-itx.com/2006/03/09/albatrons-nforce4-mini-itx-board check out nforce4! |
| 18:19.34 | initzero | abrotman: are such things normal @ sid ?! |
| 18:19.41 | abrotman | !sidfaq |
| 18:19.43 | abrotman | !sid faq |
| 18:19.43 | dpkg | sid faq is probably http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 18:19.54 | azeem | SerajewelKS: indeed, which is what I told him |
| 18:19.55 | blakkino | mhmh |
| 18:19.57 | abrotman | i'm still advocating a test to be able to run sid :) |
| 18:19.58 | blakkino | another question |
| 18:20.12 | blakkino | does cryptsetup hash the password in a time-consuming way or not? |
| 18:20.17 | Spec | there's no such thing as support in debian! :p |
| 18:20.19 | blakkino | (if somebody is using cryptsetup) |
| 18:20.27 | Spec | thus, if it runs on anything, debian supports it, (imo) |
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| 18:20.31 | SerajewelKS | Spec: you are in the support channel |
| 18:20.32 | gnufan | abrotman: we already established I'd fail -- but I seem to be able to run sid and gnome and gnomemeeting ;) |
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| 18:20.46 | Spec | if i had debian running on my toaster -- i would support it, here. :p |
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| 18:20.50 | abrotman | gnufan: but at least you're willing to learn ... |
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| 18:21.20 | coolpix | re |
| 18:21.21 | eeyore- | blakkino: "time consuming way" would mean what, "make it hard to crack" or "my cpu is too slow"? |
| 18:21.23 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: or at least a test that suggests how your performace would be |
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| 18:21.41 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: if you fail all the questions you're told to use windows, fail half of them told you might be ok, etcv |
| 18:21.54 | blakkino | eeyore-, means that "i have to use very long alphabetical passwords?" |
| 18:21.59 | Storkme | hmm, do i need X11 installed to install java on my server? i don't have it installed atm and it's giving me install errors. |
| 18:22.09 | SerajewelKS | Storkme: how are you installing? |
| 18:22.13 | blakkino | i'm actually using 9 char password.. but 21^9 is very small.. |
| 18:22.22 | Storkme | SerajewelKS, http://www.crazysquirrel.com/computing/debian/java.jspx |
| 18:22.24 | eeyore- | blakkino: plain cryptsetup just use the passphrase as the key, so you really would want long passphrase |
| 18:22.25 | abrotman | Storkme: you may need some xlibs |
| 18:22.34 | abrotman | !tell Storkme about install jav |
| 18:22.36 | abrotman | !tell Storkme about install java |
| 18:22.37 | SerajewelKS | Storkme: with java-package you need to xlibs |
| 18:22.47 | aFlag | does anyone know about a program that will change chars like é, á, etc to their correspondent in html notation? |
| 18:22.54 | blakkino | eeyore-, tnx.. anyway i would suggest using a time-consuming hash |
| 18:22.54 | eeyore- | blakkino: cryptsetup-luks has its own internal passphrase, and on top of that has multiple passphrases you can associate with any one given LUKS partition |
| 18:22.55 | SerajewelKS | Storkme: java-package will complain about missing dependencies when it builds the .deb, but the .deb works fine |
| 18:22.55 | Storkme | SerajewelKS, ah. |
| 18:23.06 | blakkino | (like iterate SHA 2^20 times..) |
| 18:23.09 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 18:23.09 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 18:23.11 | SerajewelKS | Storkme: granted if you try to use APT/Swing it will throw an exception when LoadLibrary fails |
| 18:23.27 | eeyore- | blakkino: so you could revoke any passphrase that has been compromised |
| 18:23.37 | Storkme | yeah, okay |
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| 18:23.48 | Storkme | i could just use java.awt.Headless |
| 18:23.50 | blakkino | eeyore-, ?? |
| 18:23.56 | Storkme | abrotman, that doesn't help, i already knew that |
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| 18:24.05 | eeyore- | blakkino: google for "cryptset-luks" |
| 18:24.06 | blakkino | obviusly that break compatibiity.. but just add an option to cryptsetup.. |
| 18:24.16 | abrotman | Storkme: and you've created the package from the .bin? and now you're trying to install it? |
| 18:24.18 | SerajewelKS | Storkme: this is, again, if you use java-package to build a package. i don't know about third-party debs. |
| 18:24.19 | none00 | hi you all |
| 18:24.26 | none00 | man, i hope you can help me. Cuz i'm a total vpn newbie and need to make a windows client using Sentinel work ok. Lemme explain it better... |
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| 18:24.32 | none00 | I have this host on my lan which is usign sentinel to do vpn with another machine over the internet. I have a linux machine running slackware which is my firewall. For debug purposes this firewall is configured to do nothing expect masquerade. |
| 18:24.38 | gnufan | Spec: I thought support in Debian was anything one of Bruce's companies will take money for ;) |
| 18:24.42 | Storkme | abrotman, yeah, that's when it gave the errors |
| 18:24.43 | aminorex | anyhow, i found the package, and it installs fine using dpkg -i |
| 18:24.46 | none00 | But my vpn is not working. everythng works fine but vpn. |
| 18:24.47 | abrotman | so it involves windows and slackware? |
| 18:24.52 | blakkino | eeyore-, interesting :) |
| 18:24.56 | blakkino | does it offer what i'm searching? |
| 18:25.00 | SerajewelKS | none00: #slackware |
| 18:25.45 | abrotman | Storkme: paste the error somewhere |
| 18:25.46 | abrotman | !paste |
| 18:25.46 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 18:25.46 | gnufan | aminorex: sorry -- is this perl? You mean you install perl using dpkg, and thus broke dependencies? |
| 18:25.48 | none00 | SerajewelKS : sorry man, I think this is not a slackware related problem. |
| 18:25.54 | Spec | I think people confuse #debian for #linux often |
| 18:26.00 | eeyore- | blakkino: if you mean "does it do SHA <n> times" then the answer is no, of course not, don't be silly. chances of two people doing the exact same thing is pretty slim. |
| 18:26.01 | none00 | SerajewelKS : and people there couldn't help me outta here |
| 18:26.06 | Storkme | debian is my favourite distro |
| 18:26.06 | Storkme | :D |
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| 18:26.14 | giacus_ | hello |
| 18:26.17 | azeem | none00: which box is running Debian? |
| 18:26.18 | aminorex | i mean i installed perl-doc using dpkg, since the dependencies were not being analyzed correctly |
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| 18:26.33 | giacus_ | any package in Debian to convert a .po in .mo file ? |
| 18:26.34 | abrotman | hehe |
| 18:27.03 | curt | is it Sunday? |
| 18:27.21 | abrotman | maybe on jupiter |
| 18:27.26 | Defty | d'oh, installing the experimental version mainly changed font paths, made my xterm look ill but didn't fix dual head ... what a surprise. |
| 18:27.32 | giacus_ | looking for msgfmt, but cant find it with apt-cache |
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| 18:27.48 | evilbulgarian | hi, im trying to set up mit-krb5 and /etc/krb5.conf configured but when i do kinit Administrator@EXAMPLE.COM i get "kinit(v5): Cannot contact any KDC for requested realm while getting initial credentials" |
| 18:28.34 | curt | kinit? |
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| 18:28.48 | abrotman | giacus_: try apt-file .. apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search msgfmt |
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| 18:29.18 | giacus_ | ty |
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| 18:29.28 | abrotman | !find msgfmt sarge |
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| 18:29.42 | loggygreg | giacus_: it comes from gettext |
| 18:29.42 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'msgfmt' (6 of 19): (/usr/bin/msgfmt) in devel/gettext ;; (/usr/lib/mailman/bin/msgfmt.py) in mail/mailman ;; (/usr/X11R6/bin/xview_msgfmt) in devel/xviewg-dev ;; (/usr/include/kde/kbabel/msgfmt.h) in libdevel/kbabel-dev ;; (/usr/share/doc/gettext-doc/msgfmt.1.html) in doc/gettext-doc ;; (/usr/share/doc/icu/html/msgfmt_8h-source.html) in doc/icu-doc. |
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| 18:29.50 | gnufan | aminorex: I think you need to learn when to stop digging. Sounds like you've done something weird to pull in inappropriate version of perl. Get "apt-show-versions" (if you can - I think it use perl stuff) and figure out why you appear to have non-Sarge packages installed, and get back to something sensible would be my advice. Things like getting perl modules "just works" in Sarge - and for me that is very important! |
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| 18:31.05 | eeyore- | blakkino: if you want your own custom key, it's readily available, http://luks.endorphin.org/faq |
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| 18:31.37 | eeyore- | blakkino: do whatever you want to generate the key, put it somewhere you own ('what you have'), and add key to LUKS partition |
| 18:31.45 | maggot | anybody got evolution working with exchange 2003 ? |
| 18:31.50 | Red_Cloud | !tell Red_Cloud about sarge->etch |
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| 18:32.07 | kurumin | aee |
| 18:32.14 | marlun | On this computer I've got Ubuntu installed, and I just installed debian on a 233mhz computer, how can I connect to the old computer from this one and use it as if I was working at that computer? |
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| 18:32.24 | kurumin | blz galera ? |
| 18:32.26 | blakkino | eeyore-, i type the pass at boot.. |
| 18:32.31 | SerajewelKS | marlun: vnc |
| 18:32.40 | marlun | SerajewelKS, is it hard to set up? |
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| 18:32.50 | SerajewelKS | marlun: apt-get install vnc4server; man vnc4server |
| 18:32.57 | marlun | thanks |
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| 18:33.12 | abrotman | !kurumin |
| 18:33.13 | dpkg | Kurumin Linux is a Brazilian run-from-CD Linux distribution based on Knoppix. That means it's not debian. Go away.. Ajuda pra Kurumin: http://www.kurumin.com.br |
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| 18:33.48 | fas3r_ | after a modprobe it's not necessary to run an other command ? |
| 18:33.53 | Spec | marlun: command line or graphical? |
| 18:34.01 | marlun | Spec, command line |
| 18:34.04 | Spec | ssh |
| 18:34.14 | marlun | not vpn? |
| 18:34.28 | Spec | if the two computers are on the same network, just use ssh |
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| 18:34.37 | marlun | I believe I saw that ssh was installed on the old computer at installation? |
| 18:34.44 | marlun | Spec, yeah they are on the same network. |
| 18:34.53 | Spec | yes, just do ssh <ip of old computer> from the new computer |
| 18:34.53 | marlun | Spec, how do I connect then, through ssh? |
| 18:34.57 | marlun | ok |
| 18:34.59 | Spec | or, |
| 18:35.00 | marlun | I'll try, thanks =) |
| 18:35.04 | Spec | ssh user@ip |
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| 18:35.27 | marlun | Spec, is it not possible to use the name of the computer? |
| 18:35.32 | marlun | Spec, instead of the ip? |
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| 18:36.04 | rpt | ?? Which is best(performance wise) IMAP server for many large(35Mb) mbox files?? |
| 18:36.28 | Spec | marlun: if it's specified in dns or your hosts file (/etc/hosts), then you can use the hostname of the old machine |
| 18:36.38 | J_P | pessoal, what filesystem is more recomdable(more stable) for production in debian ? ext3 or reiserfs ? |
| 18:36.43 | mr_self_distruct | would someone be able to help be with fixing glib-2.0, I installed a newer version but the complier refers to the old version still |
| 18:36.45 | rpt | I have been using UW-IMAP for years, but wonder if there is a faster one |
| 18:36.49 | Spec | I use reiserfs in production, J_P |
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| 18:37.09 | abrotman | rpt: if you really want faster .. move to maildir |
| 18:37.11 | Spec | ext3 is older and therefore better tested though |
| 18:37.16 | abrotman | older than one? |
| 18:37.19 | abrotman | that what? |
| 18:37.21 | Spec | reiserfs |
| 18:37.24 | abrotman | not really |
| 18:37.26 | Glanzmann | rpt: Use Courier |
| 18:37.27 | Spec | no? |
| 18:37.44 | Glanzmann | reiserfs is bad. |
| 18:37.46 | abrotman | only because it's basically ext2 with a journal .. but iirc ext3 was released after reiser |
| 18:38.03 | Glanzmann | And it doesn't loose date. |
| 18:38.05 | Glanzmann | data* |
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| 18:38.13 | rpt | abrotman: But that might genereate thousands of files in 30-40 directories each.... |
| 18:38.14 | marlun | Spec, should I juse add it under the 127.0.0.1 entries in /etc/hosts? |
| 18:38.23 | abrotman | rpt: and? |
| 18:38.34 | abrotman | and mbox doesn't store folders |
| 18:38.45 | J_P | Glanzmann: why you think reiserfs is bad ? |
| 18:38.48 | rpt | Is that an inede depletion problem, potentially?? |
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| 18:38.50 | gnufan | Spec: I thought reiserfs 3 was older than ext3..... |
| 18:38.52 | yos87 | hi |
| 18:38.54 | abrotman | !fs comparison |
| 18:38.54 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, filesystem comparison is http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ or http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html |
| 18:38.59 | abrotman | J_P: everyone knows it's bad :) |
| 18:39.23 | abrotman | rpt: possibly yes .. but that's better to work around than deleting an email from the middle of a 35MB mbox :) |
| 18:39.35 | Spec | marlun: yes, but you need to add the IP of the host and the hostname |
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| 18:40.00 | Chance | Hello, /usr/sbin/debootstrap --arch i386 woody $LFS http://http.us.debian.org <- which is for amd64 ? |
| 18:40.33 | Chance | what does it needs to be put instead i386 ? can i put x86 ? |
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| 18:40.41 | J_P | abrotman: you really think reiserfs is bad(problematics) ? |
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| 18:40.45 | abrotman | there is no woody for amd64 .. at least .. not pure64 .. though i386 binaries will work |
| 18:40.47 | rpt | So switching to maildir ... is used by which products? |
| 18:40.53 | abrotman | J_P: i would *never* use it |
| 18:40.53 | Spec | looks like it's easiest to remove 10000 files in ext3 :p |
| 18:41.01 | abrotman | rpt: courier for one |
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| 18:41.05 | abrotman | dovecot also can |
| 18:41.17 | abrotman | rpt: what is your MTA ? |
| 18:41.19 | marlun | How can I check what mac-address and ip a computer has? |
| 18:41.22 | gnufan | rpt: I'm a dovecot with maildir fan myself. mbox is bad choice -- doesn't mean I don't have some I haven't migrated. 1000's of files in a directory -- no problem with proper filesystems - this ain't ms windows you know ;) |
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| 18:41.25 | abrotman | ifconfig -a |
| 18:41.30 | J_P | abrotman: you use ext3 ? |
| 18:41.34 | abrotman | mostly |
| 18:41.40 | Chance | abrotman how about ia64? |
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| 18:41.45 | abrotman | ia64 is itanium |
| 18:41.46 | myway | re hi |
| 18:41.50 | Chance | i see |
| 18:41.53 | Chance | oki then |
| 18:41.54 | abrotman | !ia64 |
| 18:41.54 | dpkg | hmm... ia64 is the new Intel Architecture, "Itanium", which seems pretty cool. or ages behind rs64-II , see also http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/. if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion, it is NOT ia64 |
| 18:41.55 | myway | abrotman: hi |
| 18:41.59 | darksword | how can i install hwinfo ? |
| 18:42.02 | abrotman | hi myway |
| 18:42.02 | runedude | Okay.. I need someones opinion on something: |
| 18:42.05 | abrotman | !find hwinfo sarge |
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| 18:42.08 | dpkg | hwinfo: (Hardware identification system), section admin, is optional. Version: 8.38-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 365 kB, Installed size: 1004 kB |
| 18:42.17 | myway | abrotman: it worked for some min. then i rebooted and now the same problem |
| 18:42.18 | myway | :P |
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| 18:42.24 | marlun | abrotman, thanks! |
| 18:42.27 | abrotman | myway: doh! |
| 18:42.29 | darksword | i got an error with libsysfs1 with is uninstallable |
| 18:42.34 | rpt | Ya, I just built 66000 files in a single directory using Reiser fs with narry a hickup |
| 18:42.56 | runedude | My debian filesystem has gone sort of corrupt or something, keeps giving me journal errors.. What do you guys think about this.. if I just "scp"ed all my files over to a new harddrive, and just write them using a livecd.. would everything work fine? |
| 18:42.59 | myway | i'm with xorg + gdm + gnome |
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| 18:43.21 | abrotman | runedude: what file system? |
| 18:43.30 | Spec | hehe |
| 18:43.37 | abrotman | (though probably unrelated) |
| 18:43.45 | Spec | could be a hardware issue :p |
| 18:43.48 | runedude | abrotman: ext3 |
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| 18:43.49 | abrotman | it probably is |
| 18:43.53 | gnufan | runedude: is this is copy the files out, reformat, and install them again -- sounds plausible without more details. |
| 18:43.55 | Spec | hah! i win! :p |
| 18:43.56 | Spec | (joking) |
| 18:43.57 | abrotman | runedude: if you can read them .. yes .. that may work |
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| 18:44.06 | runedude | one thing |
| 18:44.14 | runedude | this other system has a completely different hardware set |
| 18:44.20 | abrotman | runedude: it's probably more likely the death of your HDD though |
| 18:44.29 | Spec | yeah, you should backup your information |
| 18:44.35 | Spec | and expect it to die soon |
| 18:45.17 | runedude | abrotman: well.. its in readonly mount right now, and i have access to all my files |
| 18:45.18 | runedude | however |
| 18:45.27 | myway | abrotman: can it be some package that i need to install? |
| 18:45.30 | runedude | i really need a fast way to transfer these files.. scp seems kind of .. slow |
| 18:45.36 | abrotman | myway: are you getting EE errors again? |
| 18:45.39 | myway | yes |
| 18:45.41 | myway | always the same |
| 18:45.43 | abrotman | runedude: is it on your network? |
| 18:45.47 | abrotman | myway: i don't know what they are |
| 18:45.48 | myway | no devices found or no screen found |
| 18:45.48 | runedude | yeah |
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| 18:45.58 | runedude | they are on a 100mbit lan |
| 18:46.03 | abrotman | runedude: you could use ftp .. |
| 18:46.08 | abrotman | runedude: or rsync |
| 18:46.08 | runedude | well |
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| 18:46.14 | yos87 | hi, when I type startx -e enlightenment , I have this error : X warning , process set to priority -11 insted of request priority -10, fatel server error sever is already active for display 0 if this server in no longer running , remove /tmp/.x0-lock and start again |
| 18:46.20 | runedude | is ftp good for transferring over 100 gig of data? |
| 18:46.28 | abrotman | why wouldn't it be? |
| 18:46.33 | myway | abrotman: but lspci says S3 unichrome, but when it worked i used VESA |
| 18:46.38 | runedude | abrotman: id use rsync, except i cant install anything at all |
| 18:46.44 | abrotman | myway: yeah .. but we need the error log |
| 18:46.51 | abrotman | runedude: you could also use tar and netcat :) |
| 18:46.54 | myway | how can i give to you it? |
| 18:46.57 | abrotman | !paste |
| 18:46.58 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 18:47.01 | runedude | heh |
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| 18:47.04 | myway | ok |
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| 18:47.50 | marlun | If I just want to shutdown a computer, what do I need more then to write "shutdown now" because i did this as root through ssh, but now on the other computer's screen i see "Give root password for maintenance, or type Control-D to continue". |
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| 18:48.37 | Spec | maybe it needs to check the filesystem? |
| 18:48.44 | Spec | or you booted into single user mode by accident? |
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| 18:49.41 | gnufan | marlun: that should have been "shutdown -h now" maybe... no "-h" means system maintainance as per "man shutdown". |
| 18:50.20 | marlun | gnu ah, okey thanks, sorry for these questions im going to continue reading the linux guide :) |
| 18:50.26 | gnufan | marlun: I think shutdown is showing its server origins |
| 18:50.34 | yggdrasil | stew are you around ? |
| 18:50.54 | stew | yggdrasil: i am |
| 18:51.03 | initzero | lol: drwxrwxrwx |
| 18:51.18 | gnufan | marlun: still could be worse, could be using a system that expects to be switched off at least once a day ;) |
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| 18:51.25 | yggdrasil | stew hey you helped me out with my .xession the other day.. it seems that its causing errors |
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| 18:51.48 | yggdrasil | stew i just emptied it out.. was wondering if you culd gime a hand . |
| 18:51.54 | marlun | gnufan, lol, now the computer went one step further and now the last message is "Power down." but it is still running? =) |
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| 18:53.02 | jetscreamer | generally speaking, what might be around the lowest powered cpu i could use to just play movies. |
| 18:53.15 | gnufan | marlun: automatic power down required nice cooperation with the hardware. Linux systems generally need coaxing into this, although my last Debian install "just works" with the ACPI. |
| 18:53.21 | yggdrasil | i played oneona p160 32mb the other day over the network |
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| 18:53.57 | codept | hello guys |
| 18:54.03 | codept | anyone ever get these ERRDOS - ERRnosuchshare while mounting smbfs |
| 18:54.46 | jetscreamer | so a p3 550/384mb should be just fine |
| 18:54.55 | yggdrasil | oh yea |
| 18:55.07 | yggdrasil | depends on the resolution of the movie id say. |
| 18:57.04 | slinn | i have a shell server which has no need for a video card... is there a way i can make it so it will boot without the video card? it's an old system (p1-133) |
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| 18:57.13 | marlun | gnufan, ok I'll just close it manually, afterall, it is on my desk :P |
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| 18:58.36 | adii | i got trouble having quake3 work on my debian etch . using nvidia. perhaps there's something which is to be known ? |
| 18:58.48 | Chance | abrotman can you please check this out http://pastebin.com/594924 ? |
| 18:59.00 | Chance | i get an error there and can't pass over that |
| 18:59.48 | abrotman | i've not used debootstrap |
| 19:00.05 | abrotman | Chance: how much ram? |
| 19:00.08 | Chance | what i am trying to do is to install debian on a remote box |
| 19:00.11 | Chance | 2 GBRam |
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| 19:02.51 | myway | Who can help me? |
| 19:02.54 | myway | when i try startx it says no screen found |
| 19:03.07 | citral | !no screen found |
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| 19:03.17 | citral | dpkg: ping |
| 19:03.18 | dpkg | pong |
| 19:03.38 | warreng | so if i want to compile something from source (say apache 2.2)... is there a "nice" way to do it that integrates in any way with the apt system? |
| 19:03.39 | citral | myway: you need to read /var/log/Xorg.0.log to know the exact error |
| 19:03.41 | jetscreamer | myway: less /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 19:03.44 | jetscreamer | jinx |
| 19:03.44 | syche | myway: what does the log say? |
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| 19:04.49 | abrotman | !noscreensfound |
| 19:04.49 | dpkg | noscreensfound is, like, probably dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and SAY NO to the framebuffer question. If that doesn't work, ask me about "troubleshooting x" NOT A SODDING ERROR. read your XFree86 log to find the actual problem. There will be an earlier error (marked "(EE)") that is the actual problem. |
| 19:04.53 | abrotman | citral: ^^ |
| 19:04.58 | citral | hah |
| 19:05.20 | syche | warreng: checkinstall is an easy way |
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| 19:06.21 | myway | syche it says screen found but none have a usable confniguration |
| 19:06.25 | abrotman | checkinstall or stow |
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| 19:06.40 | abrotman | myway: use pastebin.ca .. paste the log there after changing it to use vesa |
| 19:06.57 | syche | myway: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log |grep EE |
| 19:06.57 | myway | pastebin.ca? |
| 19:07.00 | myway | if it's a site i can't |
| 19:07.15 | abrotman | use links2 ? |
| 19:07.17 | warreng | syche: cool, thanks |
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| 19:07.29 | myway | what's links2 |
| 19:07.39 | abrotman | a text browser .. or try w3m |
| 19:07.42 | myway | ah |
| 19:07.50 | myway | can't i use |
| 19:07.59 | myway | exec -o ect.. |
| 19:08.04 | myway | ? |
| 19:08.19 | myway | i don't know how to copy and past |
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| 19:09.35 | syche | myway: it ususally means that the video modes you have selected are not available |
| 19:09.43 | Chance | anyone ? |
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| 19:10.05 | abrotman | myway: what resolution did you pick ? |
| 19:10.35 | sprink | I already have debian installed, but I want to compile my kernel from source, is there a specific kernel I need to use to keep everything working with the debian stable tree? |
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| 19:11.31 | gnufan | sprink: not really -- nothing older than the Debian 2.4.27.... you using the kernel packaging tools in Debian I assume? |
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| 19:11.55 | sprink | gnufan, yeah, kernel-package |
| 19:12.13 | cheal | sprink: anything in your architecture's release should work |
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| 19:12.30 | sprink | gnufan, I want to compile a 2.6 kernel, but I dont want to use something that I wont be able to get updates for with apt-get |
| 19:13.02 | gnufan | sprink: why do you need to compile a new kernel? |
| 19:13.03 | sprink | so if I compiled the latest 2.6 kernel i'll be fine under the stable tree? |
| 19:13.29 | cheal | sprink: if you mean 2.6.8, yes |
| 19:13.59 | cheal | sprink: simply, anything for which the source is in Debian stable |
| 19:14.03 | sprink | gnufan, mostly to remove stuff I dont need from the kernel config |
| 19:14.17 | fas3r | nobody know if it's possible to use dwl-520+ on acces point mode or not ? |
| 19:14.23 | sprink | cheal, so 2.6.15 not a good idea? |
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| 19:14.41 | cheal | sprink: no, 2.6.15 is not in Sarge |
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| 19:14.56 | Golfgeo | Hi all |
| 19:14.57 | gnufan | sprink: most of the debian kernel stuff is modular, unless you specifically need something extra I'd say it is a waste of time. |
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| 19:15.57 | sprink | gnufan, the learning experience is still worth it, I would assume |
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| 19:16.17 | stew | cheal: what is wrong with running 2.6.15 in sarge? |
| 19:16.46 | gnufan | sprink: oh as a learning experience -- go for 2.6.15 -- but remember 2.6.8 is available with security patches -- that'll just happen with apticron and friends - versus doing it yourself... |
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| 19:17.38 | sprink | gnufan, I want to know how to do it, and still be secure and true to the stable tree |
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| 19:17.57 | sprink | so it looks like 2.6.8 is what I need to get from kernel.org |
| 19:18.08 | quiet | does volatile provide kernels or no? |
| 19:18.08 | cheal | stew: I never tried, but it would need some hacking with udev, probably initramsfs tools too |
| 19:18.21 | quiet | maybeyou could get it from there. |
| 19:18.41 | stew | cheal: i know knewer udev needs newer kernels, but I didn't know the converse was true |
| 19:18.44 | cheal | sprink: why would you get it from kernel.org instead of APT? |
| 19:19.01 | stew | cheal: and he's building a custom kernel so there should be no need for initramfs |
| 19:19.06 | gnufan | sprink: why will 2.6.8 be more secure? If you build from source you'll still have to update the kernel manually when bug fixes are released. |
| 19:19.13 | Chance | I need help please see http://pastebin.com/594924 |
| 19:19.28 | stew | sprink: use the debian source, the kenrel.org sources haven't been patched for security vulnerabilities like the debian sources for 2.6.8 have |
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| 19:20.00 | sprink | cheal, well I was planning on it because this tutorial said to do it that way |
| 19:20.03 | quiet | Chance, woah... are you building... debian from scratch??? or what... i don't get it? |
| 19:20.07 | quitte | quick tetrinet, someone? |
| 19:21.03 | Golfgeo | What tool can I use to edit to edit ISO images? I can use Debian or win98, but must be able to add files... |
| 19:21.31 | cheal | sprink: which tutorial? AFAIK following the kp mantra factoid should be enough |
| 19:21.39 | sprink | so if I compile my own 2.6.8 kernel from source, I wont be able to apply security patches via apt-get? |
| 19:21.55 | sprink | cheal, I was using this http://www.holtmann.org/linux/kernel/debian.html |
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| 19:22.21 | quiet | sprink, of course not... .not kernel ones. |
| 19:22.23 | cheal | sprink: you will, but it will involve recompiling each time |
| 19:22.28 | gnufan | Golfgeo: just mount it as a loopback, copy the files to a file system, and then mkisofs when done editting... something like that |
| 19:22.58 | Chance | quiet i am trying to install debian remotely |
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| 19:23.41 | stew | Chance: check the bts, you probably need to use a newer version of debootstrap |
| 19:23.47 | quiet | Chance, wow... sounds like fun, |
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| 19:23.53 | Golfgeo | gnufan, hmm, that could work, yet I only need to add a 400 MB tar file to the standard netinstall iso, so I'm looking for an easy option... |
| 19:24.11 | cheal | sprink: that doesn't seem superior to the documentation in Debian |
| 19:24.26 | Chance | stew where can i get the last one ? |
| 19:24.45 | stew | Chance: http://pacakges.debian.org/debootstrap |
| 19:24.48 | stew | err |
| 19:24.54 | stew | packages.debian.org/debootstrap |
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| 19:25.19 | gnufan | Golfgeo: I wonder if it can be tacked onto the end of the CD as raw data - evil but dd has to have some uses ;) |
| 19:25.24 | Chance | i do have the last version 0.2.45-0.2 |
| 19:25.27 | Chance | just installed it |
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| 19:25.42 | stew | !info debootstrap |
| 19:25.46 | dpkg | debootstrap: (Bootstrap a basic Debian system), section admin, is extra. Version: 0.3.3 (sid), Packaged size: 43 kB, Installed size: 228 kB |
| 19:25.49 | Golfgeo | gnufan, :-) |
| 19:26.01 | Chance | that's the unstable one |
| 19:26.05 | stew | yes |
| 19:26.08 | cheal | stew: I'm not sure whether 2.6.15 would work with sarge's udev |
| 19:26.11 | Chance | should i put that one ? |
| 19:26.25 | myway | 1024 x 768 |
| 19:26.27 | myway | 60 Hz |
| 19:26.30 | myway | 16 Bit (or 24 also tried it) |
| 19:26.32 | myway | always the same |
| 19:26.35 | myway | syche but what is needed for X? i installed xorg, gdm, gnome-core and x-window-system-core, is it enough? |
| 19:26.38 | myway | or i need other? |
| 19:26.40 | myway | Nobody can help me? |
| 19:26.43 | myway | Someone can help me making X working? |
| 19:26.48 | myway | X doesn't start, someone can help me? |
| 19:26.49 | stew | Chance: did you check the bts? |
| 19:26.50 | myway | X doesn't start, someone can help me? |
| 19:26.55 | stew | !tell myway about enter |
| 19:27.19 | stew | !dbugs 329468 |
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| 19:27.22 | dpkg | DONE:#329468:I[debootstrap] debootstrap: woody installation fails; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 23:48:08 UTC |
| 19:27.30 | stew | Fixed in version debootstrap/0.3.2 |
| 19:27.37 | myway | !tell stew about i wrote one line |
| 19:27.38 | myway | :P |
| 19:27.46 | syche | !tell myway about drxx |
| 19:27.50 | myway | ahah |
| 19:27.56 | vin` | quit repeating |
| 19:28.00 | stew | myway: you wrote 10+ lines |
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| 19:28.13 | myway | i did it at least 30 times syche |
| 19:28.16 | Chance | stew installed it and trying now |
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| 19:28.23 | myway | with no results |
| 19:28.27 | stew | Chance: debootstrap is just a shell script so installing a sid version is not dangerous |
| 19:28.27 | syche | myway: if you can read this: http://wiki.x.org/wiki/FAQErrorMessages |
| 19:28.32 | myway | i can't sorry |
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| 19:28.51 | curt | myway, apt-get install xresprobe && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 19:29.09 | myway | ok curt, i'm going to try it |
| 19:29.47 | Chance | stew i know |
| 19:29.52 | lrose | nç |
| 19:30.06 | Chance | i am trying to install the base things into a directory i want that i'll chroot later |
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| 19:30.20 | Chance | I: Base system installed successfully. <- worked |
| 19:30.22 | lrose | hola |
| 19:30.37 | lrose | como te llamas |
| 19:30.42 | myway | curt: always the same |
| 19:30.44 | stew | !es |
| 19:30.45 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:30.45 | curt | !es |
| 19:30.53 | lrose | eres mujer o hombre |
| 19:31.09 | stew | lrose: english only here, /join #debian-es |
| 19:31.15 | curt | when you where done with the above then /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 19:31.24 | myway | ok |
| 19:31.33 | Ashex | Would I be able to do a network install with debian if I have the DVD on my laptop? |
| 19:31.41 | lrose | yo me llamo leo |
| 19:31.56 | zinx | stew: he's trolling with his clone ssear |
| 19:32.00 | lrose | habla bien |
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| 19:32.15 | quiet | Chance, granted... I have useful information for you... but I just came across while doing a bit of research on that: http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html however; chances are you already have it.. |
| 19:32.23 | lizzyvictoria | hello |
| 19:32.27 | lrose | espanish |
| 19:32.29 | stew | !ops multiple spanish trolls from 83.230.234.197 |
| 19:32.29 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: multiple spanish trolls from 83.230.234.197 |
| 19:32.42 | lrose | englis |
| 19:32.46 | myway | curt it says impossible start x server |
| 19:32.49 | lrose | car car |
| 19:32.52 | dondelelcaro | lrose: please join #debian-es |
| 19:32.54 | myway | probably it's bad configured |
| 19:33.01 | Ashex | !network |
| 19:33.01 | lrose | pencil |
| 19:33.01 | dpkg | This refers to a group of interconnected computers. The computers must be capable of transferring data to form a true network--you can't just weld a bunch of computers together. |
| 19:33.08 | myway | and then it ask me for view the output error |
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| 19:33.10 | quiet | heh.. i always though stew was an op.. |
| 19:33.14 | LoRez | stew: multiple being 2? |
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| 19:33.24 | syche | myway: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log |grep II |
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| 19:33.25 | mr_self_distruct | would someone help me with my debian... I have installed glib 2.8.6 but 2.6.4 is what the ./configure command finds |
| 19:33.27 | stew | LoRez: yes |
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| 19:33.42 | curt | myway, and when you do look down towards the bottom for lines that start with EE |
| 19:33.49 | syche | myway: In most cases this means there are no video modes available for your configuration. Each entry in the list of specified or default video modes gets checked if it lies withing the limit or the hardware: if it lies within the sync range specified or probed for the monitor, if it will work with the memory available on the video card or if the pixel clock lies within the range supported by the chipsets. |
| 19:34.28 | orchid | mr_self_distruct: do a ./configure --help | less and see if theres a option |
| 19:34.54 | syche | myway: again, the Xorg.0.log file will tell you exactly what is wrong |
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| 19:35.14 | myway | i looked curt |
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| 19:35.16 | myway | it says screen found but none have a good configuration |
| 19:35.19 | myway | syche: i read it about 30 times |
| 19:35.21 | myway | but what can i do |
| 19:35.23 | myway | if i don't know |
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| 19:35.26 | myway | :P |
| 19:35.29 | myway | that's why i'm asking you again |
| 19:35.52 | stew | myway: put the log somewhere that we could see, please stop hitting enter so much |
| 19:35.54 | curt | myway, your settings for maximum monitor resolution are too high choose a lower setting |
| 19:35.58 | WorshipMe | hello... anybody remember the trigger for dpkg's netinst howto location factoid ? |
| 19:36.11 | fas3r | nybody use a dwl-520+ ? i dont understand when i run iwconfig it see my pci card but why it was in IEEE they are 802.11b+ ... 802.11b+ is real ??? |
| 19:36.21 | myway | stew /join #flood |
| 19:36.34 | mentor | WorshipMe: findkeys/findvals? |
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| 19:36.46 | stew | WorshipMe: netinst? ig? |
| 19:36.51 | WorshipMe | nm |
| 19:36.52 | WorshipMe | lol |
| 19:36.54 | WorshipMe | :D |
| 19:36.56 | WorshipMe | thanks |
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| 19:37.30 | mr_self_distruct | orchid: run ./configure on the glib install?? or the other program that I am trying to install that requires glib?? sorry for all the trouble but I am very new to debian |
| 19:37.59 | FlimFlamMan | i'm trying to get pymssql to work with debian-sarge, but it seems to call functions (like dbcolinfo) that don't exist in debian's version of libsybdb.so.3 ... anyone have suggestions? |
| 19:38.04 | stew | mr_self_distruct: what are you trying to complile? |
| 19:38.09 | orchid | mr_self_distruct: run it in the dir of the software your trying to build |
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| 19:39.32 | mr_self_distruct | i am trying to get nmap fornt ent to work... nmap works but to get front end i need gdk+ and to get that i need glib2.0 so I installed glib2.0 but now i get a strange error message when compliling anything that needs glib2.0 |
| 19:39.46 | Sonny | Hi can you tell me why sometimes while the keys stick?? likeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? |
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| 19:40.08 | mr_self_distruct | it says that i have the right verson but the old one is what the complier gets when it askes for it |
| 19:40.39 | stew | mr_self_distruct: what is the name of the frontend? |
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| 19:40.43 | orchid | mr_self_distruct: you might need libglib2.0-dev? theres a nmapfe package too |
| 19:40.45 | stew | mr_self_distruct: why not just install knmap? |
| 19:40.45 | curt | Sonny, clean your keyboard =^_^= |
| 19:40.48 | mr_self_distruct | nmapfe |
| 19:40.57 | stew | mr_self_distruct: apt-get install nmapfe |
| 19:41.01 | Sonny | curt: is not the keyboard |
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| 19:41.36 | mr_self_distruct | but this does not fix glib2.0 reporting the wrong versoin |
| 19:42.04 | stew | mr_self_distruct: apt-get install nampfe would instlal the required version of glib as well |
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| 19:42.29 | FlimFlamMan | maybe your keyboard is having a vowel movement. |
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| 19:43.16 | mr_self_distruct | ok but i did a sucessfull glib install to the correct versoin but it still reports the old version i susspect to fix it i need to use ld command |
| 19:43.17 | Sonny | FlimFlamMAn: what is it? |
| 19:43.57 | thingfis1 | hehe good one, FlimFlamMan. |
| 19:44.05 | stew | mr_self_distruct: how did you install glib? |
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| 19:44.39 | mr_self_distruct | dpkg -i glib2.0...deb |
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| 19:44.45 | mr_self_distruct | something like that |
| 19:44.58 | stew | mr_self_distruct: why dpkg -i instead of apt-get? |
| 19:45.12 | stew | mr_self_distruct: if you didn't install a -dev package ./configure whould see it |
| 19:45.19 | stew | mr_self_distruct: but you shouldnt' be compiling anything anyway |
| 19:45.21 | mr_self_distruct | cause im new to linux and thats all i know dpkg not apt-get |
| 19:46.14 | mr_self_distruct | ok ill go try apt-get and see how it works |
| 19:46.55 | curt | fmtutil was run as root? > http://channels.debian.net/paste/2031 |
| 19:47.11 | mr_self_distruct | do i need to su root to use apt-get sucessfully? |
| 19:47.39 | Ronin | mr_self_distruct: only if you want it to work |
| 19:47.40 | stew | mr_self_distruct: yes. you might wish to install apt-howto-en and read /usr/share/doc/Debian/ |
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| 19:48.40 | tio_weno_12msn | ola a todossssssssssssssssssssssssss!! |
| 19:49.34 | tio_weno_12msn | ola yopi |
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| 19:50.00 | Ronin | phew, garlic the second time around, |
| 19:50.01 | arnd__ | hi |
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| 19:51.35 | abrotman | Ronin: came out which way? |
| 19:51.38 | abrotman | !es |
| 19:51.39 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:51.45 | Ronin | abrotman: top end thankfully |
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| 19:52.45 | Jungleland | Good evening! |
| 19:53.35 | Jungleland | I seem to have struck bug 342601, but i can not understand how to recity it. (trying to go stable -> testing since i need a newer kernel, but i have a dependency loop between kernel, udev and initrdfs-tools) |
| 19:53.41 | Jungleland | rectify even |
| 19:54.43 | myway | keyboard too fast? |
| 19:54.46 | myway | :P |
| 19:54.56 | myway | thingfis1: re hi |
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| 19:55.29 | arnd__ | do you know how to look up the standby timeout for (ide) hard drive? hdparm allows to set it, but how do i read it? |
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| 19:56.40 | foo | The following packages have unmet dependencies. |
| 19:56.40 | foo | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.43 | foo | E: Broken packages |
| 19:56.46 | foo | Hmm |
| 19:56.51 | foo | Any ideas on that? |
| 19:56.51 | roxy_ | Hi, I tried to setup my webcam yesterday. To do so I loaded v4l module. I found out today that I'll need pwc instead. Do I need to unload v4l ? |
| 19:57.03 | satans_ny | how to erase dns cahce |
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| 20:02.33 | stew | myway: what graphics card do you have? |
| 20:02.45 | foo | E: Broken packages |
| 20:02.50 | foo | Bah. How would I go about fixing that? |
| 20:02.54 | stew | foo: /msg dpkg bat |
| 20:03.31 | ice_1963 | is the nvidia-glx still in sid? i need it for etch |
| 20:03.34 | foo | http://pastebin.com/595059 |
| 20:03.36 | foo | stew: ^^ |
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| 20:04.19 | arnd__ | ice_1963, ask him ;) |
| 20:04.44 | positron | Has anyone experienced with LOGSURFER? I have a problem to print every line of the context to the screen. It says that 'unknown default action: rule before ....'. My configuration looks like this: http://pastebin.com/595062. |
| 20:04.46 | stew | foo: show us the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy kernel-headers-2.6.8-2" |
| 20:06.07 | foo | http://pastebin.com/595067 |
| 20:06.13 | foo | stew: ^ |
| 20:06.36 | ice_1963 | :0) ^ |
| 20:07.05 | _mad_penguin | sorry for intruding into your conversation |
| 20:07.23 | _mad_penguin | i'm thinking to install debian distro |
| 20:07.23 | stew | foo: its a bad idea to mix testing packages into a stable install, you are likely running testing at this point |
| 20:07.40 | foo | stew: hmm, I'm running unstable. |
| 20:07.53 | foo | oh... well, I was playing with my sources. Err |
| 20:07.57 | curt | !d-i |
| 20:07.57 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 20:08.00 | stew | foo: why do you want to install the kernel headers from stable then? |
| 20:08.22 | stew | foo: and btw i asked for "apt-cache policy kernel-headers-2.6.8-2" not kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 20:08.30 | foo | stew: For VMware ... I have 2.6.15-1-686 right now but the guys told me to try a different kernel ... only other one I see is 2.6.8-2-686 or something |
| 20:08.56 | _mad_penguin | and i wonder i need the only the 3.1r1 version(sarge) or i need also to install before that 3.1 and after that update it with 3.1r1 |
| 20:09.02 | stew | foo: as of 2.6.12 they are named linux-{headers,image,source} not kernel- |
| 20:09.10 | foo | stew: I see. |
| 20:09.16 | stew | foo: they told you use a different version but gave you no clue as to which might work? |
| 20:09.18 | _mad_penguin | can someone tell how to proceed |
| 20:09.31 | stew | _mad_penguin: you only need 3.1r1 |
| 20:09.45 | foo | stew: they just said a different one. ble |
| 20:09.49 | _mad_penguin | ok. thanks |
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| 20:10.41 | Jungleland | uhm... why can't i find gcc-4.0.3 as a deb? since 2.6.15-2 was built with that compiler? |
| 20:10.41 | stew | foo: in any case the problem probably is that you are trying to install from security.debian.org for stable but you don't have a main repository for stable |
| 20:10.57 | foo | stew: hmm, I see. |
| 20:11.16 | stew | Jungleland: likely the DD who built that kerenl was using a version that is not in the repository |
| 20:11.34 | foo | stew: hmm, yeah. How would I troubleshoot that? |
| 20:11.44 | Jungleland | stew; which will give me serious headache with installing VMWare i guess? |
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| 20:12.03 | stew | Jungleland: why? |
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| 20:12.34 | stew | foo: add an official deb mirror to your sources. however i doubt that you really need to use the stable kernel |
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| 20:13.01 | Jungleland | stew: Well, it tells me it wants the same GCC for the modules as was used for my running kernel. |
| 20:13.25 | stew | Jungleland: i've had no problems running modules compiled with the current gcc version |
| 20:13.27 | foo | stew: I don't see any kernel in my sources between 2.6.8-11 and 2.6.15 |
| 20:13.50 | stew | Jungleland: you would have a problem if you compiled modules with 3.4 or 3.3 or something but 4.02 vs 4.03 shouldn't be a problem |
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| 20:14.03 | sean_micken|work | j #dspam |
| 20:14.04 | dumezil | anyone know how to get tomcat to work on debian? |
| 20:14.11 | sean_micken|work | oops |
| 20:14.43 | stew | foo: right, looks like 2.6.12 was finally removed, in that case you'd have to compile one |
| 20:15.02 | foo | stew: bleh, alright. Hopefully I can get stable working |
| 20:15.03 | stew | foo: actually in any case you were going to have to compile one |
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| 20:15.25 | stew | foo: if you follow what Jungleland is saying, you would not be able to compile modules against those kernel headers with gcc from unstable |
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| 20:16.21 | evilbulgarian | hi, i have winbind set up and got the users / groups from the AD but am having trouble making the AD users login to unix box do i just replace /etc/pam.d/system-auth with one in /etc/samba/ dir? can someone help? |
| 20:16.25 | foo | stew: ah, anyway to down grade? |
| 20:16.26 | da5id_ | hi |
| 20:16.27 | foo | hm |
| 20:17.05 | Jungleland | stew: Would you mind looking at: http://pastebin.com/595079 ? |
| 20:17.05 | da5id_ | weiss jemand welchen codec/ welches paket man installieren muss, um http://www.archive.org/download/DuckandC1951/DuckandC1951_256kb.mp4 mit ton abzuspielen? (debian testing mit main und marillat) |
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| 20:17.52 | arnd__ | !de |
| 20:17.52 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 20:18.02 | da5id_ | sorry about the noise, I got the wrong the wrong channel |
| 20:18.02 | da5id_ | :-) |
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| 20:18.38 | stew | Jungleland: then maybe you have to build a kernel yourself, did you read the supplied url |
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| 20:18.53 | stew | Jungleland: oh |
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| 20:19.06 | stew | Jungleland: no, wait you are trying to use the old gcc 3.3 |
| 20:19.16 | stew | Jungleland: what version of debian is this? |
| 20:19.17 | intrr | hi! Is it possible to install koffice while KDE is running, on knoppix? (Asking here because it's based on debian)... apt-get is giving me a strange error at the end (about kdebluetooth), and I can't kill X on this thing, it's a knoppix live CD.. if I kill X, it'll reboot.. probably... has anyone ever tried something like this on knoppix? |
| 20:19.27 | Jungleland | stew: It _was_ stable. Now it it testing. |
| 20:19.28 | abrotman | intrr: ask #knoppix |
| 20:19.33 | Jungleland | and i installed gcc-4.0 |
| 20:19.50 | stew | Jungleland: you are trying to use the gcc from stable not testing which is your problem |
| 20:19.56 | Ronin | intrr: try #knoppix |
| 20:19.59 | Ronin | !based on |
| 20:20.01 | Jungleland | stew: sooooo how do i tell system to use 4.0? |
| 20:20.11 | Ronin | fine be that way dpkg |
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| 20:20.20 | abrotman | Ronin: based on debian ? |
| 20:20.23 | stew | Jungleland: finish the upgrade to testing |
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| 20:20.31 | foo | bleh. I'm getting X errors with the stable kernel |
| 20:20.37 | Ronin | abrotman: thats what i was aiming for |
| 20:21.03 | Jungleland | Stew: Uhm, How? everything is upgrade i think? |
| 20:21.24 | stew | Jungleland: show us the output of "apt-cache policy gcc" |
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| 20:21.28 | da5id_ | Does anyone know which codec/ which package needs to be installed to play http://www.archive.org/download/DuckandC1951/DuckandC1951_256kb.mp4 with sound? (debian testing with main and marillat) |
| 20:21.31 | stew | Jungleland: use a pastebin, /msg dpkg paster |
| 20:21.44 | abrotman | w32codecs ? |
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| 20:22.07 | foo | stew: Does the bot have a ~tell nick about paster or something? I think that'd be easier. |
| 20:22.07 | da5id_ | is installed |
| 20:22.16 | Jungleland | stew: http://pastebin.com/595087 |
| 20:22.32 | warreng | why are there 14 different .torrents for the debian cd ISO's via bittorrent? |
| 20:22.42 | abrotman | because there are 14 CDs |
| 20:22.42 | warreng | 14 different -binary torrents even |
| 20:22.49 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 20:22.49 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 20:22.52 | warreng | are you serious? |
| 20:23.02 | nomisery | hello. i am running xfce on a laptop. my qt applications have a too big font size (13) |
| 20:23.03 | Jungleland | stew: sorry for being clueless, been using debian since '99 but never strayed across to testing *lol* |
| 20:23.07 | warreng | i just want one cd's worth |
| 20:23.08 | stew | Jungleland: yeah, you still have stable's gcc installed, and you see that you still have 700 http://ftp.se.debian.org stable/main Packages as a candidate |
| 20:23.11 | nomisery | where can i configure that? |
| 20:23.24 | stew | Jungleland: /msg dpkg stable->testing |
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| 20:24.05 | warreng | ohh... netinst is what i want i think |
| 20:24.26 | Jungleland | stew: Now i follow. The udev dependency i mentioned before seem to have stopped my upgrade in mid stride... |
| 20:24.28 | stew | warreng: /msg dpkg netinst ; /msg dpkg ig |
| 20:24.43 | positron | How do I restart syslogd ?? |
| 20:24.49 | Jungleland | stew: Whoa.. 455MB to dl :) |
| 20:24.52 | stew | Jungleland: try apt-get -f install ; then apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 20:25.10 | stew | Jungleland: you might as well ditch the stable sources in your sources.list |
| 20:25.26 | Jungleland | Stew: i followed the workaround in #342601 |
| 20:25.36 | djp | what packages are needed to compile and intergrate drivers? |
| 20:25.43 | roxy_ | Still trying to set up my webcam: after xawtv I got: /dev/video [v4l]: no overlay support then more error and a grey screen :( |
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| 20:26.21 | stew | djp: build-essential ; and a -headers pacakge that matches your running kernel, depending onthe driver module-assistant is helpful |
| 20:26.29 | Jungleland | stew: But, shouldnt i be able to tell the system to use gcc-4.0.3 since it is installed? Just curious to how VMWare would react= |
| 20:26.32 | positron | How do I send a signal to a program?? |
| 20:26.52 | Jungleland | positron: kill -HUP <PID> is one example |
| 20:27.28 | stew | Jungleland: yes, you could by setting the CC and HOSTCC environment variables to point to /usr/bin/gcc-4.0 however you really should correct that you are running a half-upgraded system |
| 20:27.51 | positron | Jungleland: thx |
| 20:27.52 | Jungleland | stew: Yeah, the upgrade is running. Just wanting to learn. |
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| 20:29.02 | myren | i need something to monitor the uptime of a remote system, someone hit me with some recommendations, pretty please, with sugar on top? |
| 20:29.21 | djp | stew, thanks |
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| 20:29.30 | stew | myren: "ssh user@remotehost uptime" |
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| 20:29.47 | myren | yeah, that's going to work great when the system is down |
| 20:30.04 | myren | i'd like something to continuously monitor whether the host is alive and record when its dead |
| 20:30.20 | Jungleland | myren: i use Cacti, but that may be overkill |
| 20:30.29 | Jungleland | oops |
| 20:30.34 | Jungleland | Nagios, not cacti :) |
| 20:31.52 | warreng | v |
| 20:31.57 | warreng | oops |
| 20:31.58 | mr_self_distruct | hey guys i just wanted to say thanks apt-get install seems to have fixed my problem and install the software i was after thanks!!! |
| 20:32.06 | Jungleland | *crap* I must be getting old.. I have an old photo of an old tower with a bottle of coke on top.. Now i realized i put a glass of Wine on my tower :) |
| 20:32.21 | Ronin | Jungleland: yep your getting older |
| 20:32.35 | Jungleland | Ronin: Older... and wiser ;) |
| 20:32.47 | roxy_ | When I run scantv or dpkg-reconfigure xawtv and answer question no config file are created. Where are they supposed to be? |
| 20:32.48 | myren | Jungleland: nagios might be overkill, but i have a feeling it'll be useful. Pretty good host monitoring tool, you feel? |
| 20:33.13 | Jungleland | myren: Yeah, it can do most of everything. I use it to monitor 80+hosts with 700+ checks at work. |
| 20:33.21 | warreng | where do i get an ISO that fits on one CD and installs a full system.. and then using apt-get and the repositiories, i'll install apache/mysql/etc... |
| 20:33.30 | warreng | i don't want gnome/x/etc... just trying to setup a server |
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| 20:33.58 | Ronin | well at least older |
| 20:34.28 | Jungleland | Ronin: still like coke better then wine mind you |
| 20:34.34 | cheal | warreng: see cdimage.debian.org |
| 20:34.46 | warreng | cheal: ya i looked.. i found a "netinst" and a set of 14 cd's... |
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| 20:34.50 | warreng | neither of which seems like what i want |
| 20:35.23 | Jungleland | warreng: netinst installs a base system from CD, then the rest from the net. |
| 20:35.34 | cheal | warreng: why? what do you mean by full system? |
| 20:35.34 | warreng | what's the "rest" ? |
| 20:35.45 | Jungleland | warreng: whatever you want. |
| 20:35.45 | azeem | warreng: the rest is what you choose |
| 20:35.59 | warreng | cheal: i want something that boots.. has bind, sendmail, ssh, etc... |
| 20:36.09 | warreng | then i want to install apache/mysql myself through apt-get or something |
| 20:36.13 | warreng | is that a netinst? |
| 20:36.13 | azeem | why can't you download the latter? |
| 20:36.14 | Jungleland | warreng: netinst builds the house. apt-get moves the furniture in. |
| 20:36.23 | Jungleland | warreng: sounds like you want netinst. |
| 20:36.28 | warreng | perfect... |
| 20:36.32 | azeem | warreng: the netinst will have exim4 and ssh I think, but not bind |
| 20:36.37 | xulf | can anyone speak korean? |
| 20:36.49 | warreng | that's fine.. bind i'd expect to install |
| 20:36.52 | Jungleland | warreng: azeem is right. Bind is not in netinst. |
| 20:36.55 | warreng | what's the point of the 14 cd set then? |
| 20:37.09 | cheal | warreng: all CDs don't install all packages |
| 20:37.36 | Jungleland | warreng: I have a friend who is on a project in Botzwana. a _fast_ net connection there is 9600bps Frame Relay.._he_ likes the 14 CD set ;) |
| 20:37.47 | warreng | Jungleland: gotttttcha |
| 20:37.58 | warreng | ya i just sorta assumed everybody had highspeed :) |
| 20:38.00 | SerajewelKS | warreng: what's wrong with the netinstall |
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| 20:38.11 | warreng | SerajewelKS: apparently nothing... it's exactly what i want |
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| 20:38.52 | Jungleland | warreng: well, he brought about a dozen 200GB FireWIre drives with him.. but you get the idea ;) |
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| 20:39.13 | runedude | hey guys.. im on a livecd (knoppix) and my harddrive is mountable fine, and fsck says its fine and everything, however, when i boot debian it has alot of errors, any idea why? |
| 20:39.26 | Shadowcat | !specific |
| 20:39.26 | dpkg | somebody said specific was specifics is probably just saying 'it doesn't work' or 'what is wrong' will get you nowhere. be specific. |
| 20:39.35 | roxy_ | could someone be kind enough to show me a default xawtv config file and tell me where to put it. please. |
| 20:39.53 | Shadowcat | roxy_: read the xawtv documentation |
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| 20:40.00 | runedude | Shad0wcat: that was to me? |
| 20:40.09 | warreng | Jungleland: i'm not going to try to critique anybody who's Botzwana... whatever he's doing, i'm sure he has his reasons and it's well thought out :) |
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| 20:40.47 | SerajewelKS | runedude: you didn't define errors. init errors? fsck errors? kernel panic? |
| 20:40.52 | djp | to perform certain tasks, for example installing packages, compiling kernels etc, is it best to use su -s or sudo? ifi use sudo i gather i realise i have to edit my sodoers file |
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| 20:41.12 | azeem | djp: sudo is fine |
| 20:41.26 | azeem | djp: though you can use fakeroot to build Debian packages |
| 20:41.32 | runedude | SerajewelKS: journal errors.. and it mounts the drive as read only. |
| 20:41.55 | SerajewelKS | runedude: were you using fsck.ext2 or fsck.ext3 from the livecd? |
| 20:41.56 | roxy_ | Shadowcat: I have done that already. still can't make it work. |
| 20:42.09 | runedude | i didnt use either, i just typed "fsck" |
| 20:42.21 | runedude | and it said fsck 1.38 (30-jun-2005) then e2fsck |
| 20:42.22 | SerajewelKS | runedude: it may have run the .ext2 one, in which case it would ignore the journal entirely |
| 20:42.27 | djp | azeem, thanks |
| 20:42.30 | runedude | hmm i see |
| 20:42.40 | SerajewelKS | runedude: not certain on that, but run fsck.ext3 just to be sure |
| 20:42.43 | runedude | okay |
| 20:43.00 | runedude | Ok.. I ran fsck.ext3 /dev/hda1 and it said its clean |
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| 20:43.31 | Jungleland | stew: can i bother you again? Or anyone... I am upgrading from stable->testing, and i get: trying to overwrite `/etc/X11/Xsession', which is also in package xfree86-common |
| 20:43.43 | SerajewelKS | runedude: fsck.ext3 -f /dev/hda1 |
| 20:44.06 | loggygreg | Jungleland: sarge to unstable ,no ? |
| 20:44.09 | runedude | ok |
| 20:44.13 | Jungleland | sarge->Testing |
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| 20:44.22 | Jungleland | loggygreg: Sarge->testing |
| 20:44.25 | xstation | hey |
| 20:44.26 | DJ-Marcuzz | euhm, does the dpkg bit has some info on setting up an dual head environment under xorg? |
| 20:44.43 | SerajewelKS | DJ-Marcuzz: that depends on your video card |
| 20:45.03 | DJ-Marcuzz | geforce FX 5200 (PCI version) |
| 20:45.40 | xstation | if I want to use openssl how would the command line look like to use the cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA |
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| 20:45.55 | ludwig__ | hello! |
| 20:46.19 | loggygreg | Jungleland: sorry this problem is well known in unstable |
| 20:46.26 | dumezil | im running testing, but i want to install a package thats only available in unstable... how do i do this? (i want to install tomcat5) |
| 20:46.29 | DJ-Marcuzz | SerajewelKS, it can be done under windows, but i dunnow how to set up dualview or how you call it on linux |
| 20:46.29 | ludwig__ | May I pone a question - a bit of topic, maybe? |
| 20:46.33 | Jungleland | loggygreg: whats the solution there then? |
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| 20:46.59 | loggygreg | Jungleland: to overwrite this file or to wait for another realease |
| 20:47.12 | Jungleland | loggygreg: welllll the file is not there even |
| 20:47.36 | tarzeau | which driver do i load for linux 2.6, for my mcp high definition nvidia soundcard? 0000:00:10.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2) |
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| 20:48.22 | ludwig__ | I am writing a driver (actually low-level: DOS), maybe someone can help me (in private) finding out about the Timer-Interrupt? |
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| 20:49.28 | cheal | dumezil: tomcat5 is in testing |
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| 20:49.30 | djp | when i compile and intergrate a driver into my kernel, do i have to perform the task again if the kernel ever changes? |
| 20:49.49 | FlimFlamMan | how do i get libraries to look in /usr/local/lib for dependencies? i put /usr/local/lib in ld.so.conf and ran ldconfig but ldd still tells me _mssql.so can't find /usr/lib/libsybdb.so.3 instead of using /usr/local/lib/libsybdb.so.5 ... |
| 20:50.00 | Jungleland | djp: Yeap. |
| 20:50.15 | illsci | hey do any of you guys know of any tools or tricks to watch multiple logs on multiple systems in one terminal ? |
| 20:50.39 | DJ-Marcuzz | someone, anything about dualhead on xorg? |
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| 20:51.05 | djp | Jungleland, ok, thanks. i gather there is no way around that, though chances are i won't be changing the kernel that often if at all i gather? |
| 20:51.16 | matthi | ilschi => try "splitvt" |
| 20:51.19 | Jungleland | illsci: Well, using one syslog-server on one system, and have the others send their logs there? |
| 20:51.35 | ludwig__ | illsci, why don't You run a syslog server where all servers log to ? |
| 20:51.40 | illsci | ahhh |
| 20:51.42 | Jungleland | djp: depends. I tend to not upgrade until i _need_ to.. like now :) |
| 20:51.42 | illsci | we do |
| 20:51.53 | illsci | i just started setting up syslog-ng too but its not done yet |
| 20:51.59 | illsci | and i have a bunch of app specific logs |
| 20:52.07 | illsci | ... i just found something called logtail though... |
| 20:52.12 | MixedLoad | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:52.17 | illsci | i was just wondering if you guys had any other cool tools |
| 20:52.34 | dumezil | cheal: ok my bad... im actually running stable... how can i install tomcat5? |
| 20:52.35 | Jungleland | MixedLoad: either your set up is wrong.. or the DNS does not work properly. |
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| 20:52.52 | ludwig__ | illsci, one You have all the logs on one machine, You can write a simple parser |
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| 20:52.56 | djp | Jungleland, :) |
| 20:53.05 | Wilotas | Hi all |
| 20:53.10 | illsci | ludwig__ right but its not set up yet |
| 20:53.11 | Wilotas | Someone has a centrino? |
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| 20:53.44 | Jungleland | Wilotas: Yeah.. but it runs WinXPPro with a Debian in VMWare :) |
| 20:53.48 | Wilotas | i have a problem, i have installed debian but my battery works for 1 hour only |
| 20:53.53 | MixedLoad | Both resolve to the same IP, i'm stumped |
| 20:54.01 | Wilotas | hehe |
| 20:54.07 | stew | Jungleland: whne you are upgrading to testing it should be replacing xfree86-commmon with x11-common |
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| 20:54.12 | Jungleland | MixedLoad: Yes, but have you told apache that it is _supposed_ to look for vhosts on that ip? |
| 20:54.51 | MixedLoad | Jungleland: With a VirtualHost xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx ? |
| 20:54.53 | ludwig__ | illsci, well, then set it up! :) syslog server is very nice and very quickly installed ... If the connection to the server is insecure, either tunnel her or use a toll like "log2mail" |
| 20:54.54 | Jungleland | stew: Welll, it does seem to be a known problem... i did this: http://arved.priv.at/weblog/archives/2006/02/things_i_never.html and it continued.. |
| 20:55.02 | cheal | dumezil: there's no easy answer. tomcat5 has a large number of dependencies, so you would have to try backporting it |
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| 20:55.17 | illsci | ludwig__: syslogd wouldnt work at all |
| 20:55.19 | dumezil | cheal: any help on how to backport something? |
| 20:55.32 | ludwig__ | illsci, why not? |
| 20:55.37 | Jungleland | MixedLoad: you also need NameVirtualHost |
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| 20:55.44 | illsci | ludwig__: syslog-ng will but i havent had time to figure out how to log all the app specific logs.... these are not system logs |
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| 20:56.02 | cheal | !backport |
| 20:56.02 | dpkg | from memory, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 20:56.21 | ludwig__ | illsci, I got syslogd to log on a separate machine ... it was not very difficult, quite simple. |
| 20:56.36 | illsci | your not understanding me |
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| 20:56.36 | illsci | yeah thats really easy to do |
| 20:56.37 | illsci | @system |
| 20:56.39 | ravenbird | i heard system is the bomb |
| 20:56.49 | illsci | but how do you log some app that doesnt log to syslog |
| 20:56.52 | illsci | it just writes to a file |
| 20:56.59 | ludwig__ | illsci, but it depends on the reperibility of the syslog server |
| 20:57.08 | ludwig__ | illsci, aaah! |
| 20:57.09 | illsci | no you need syslog-ng |
| 20:57.17 | illsci | and i havent had time yet |
| 20:57.25 | djp | final question (for tonight i hope!). should i set suid in respect of cdrecord? the installation proceedure talks about it being a vulnerablility to do so, thus why i ask. |
| 20:57.29 | bpuzon | hello, which package is responsible for changing the system clock each time the computer is turned on (one hour forth each time) |
| 20:57.34 | bpuzon | !ntfs |
| 20:57.34 | dpkg | well, ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access the partition as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html, or ask me about captiventfs |
| 20:57.53 | bpuzon | !captiventfs |
| 20:57.53 | dpkg | rumour has it, captive is The first kind of free if you squint NTFS read/write filesystem for GNU/Linux. http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/, or <abrotman> livingtm: well .. captive-ntfs is another ball of wax .. it's like wine for your filesystem .. and given how well wine works .. i avoid it like naked pictures of my mom |
| 20:58.01 | ludwig__ | dpkg, apropos file systems ... |
| 20:58.09 | abrotman | bpuzon: what? |
| 20:58.17 | abrotman | !ntp |
| 20:58.17 | dpkg | hmm... ntp is the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntpdate ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
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| 20:58.50 | romeo_ | I installed firehol on a debian stable system works well but when I start it, it sends all the firewall output to standart output. How can I stop the iptables from sending it's output to standard output? thanxs |
| 20:59.15 | roxy_ | is there a better channel to ask for help about webcam ? |
| 20:59.26 | ludwig__ | dpkg, is there any option mounting a FAT32 partition so that "strange" files fit? Like "/Brief Apple :2fHummel.LNK" |
| 20:59.36 | loggygreg | dpkg is a bot |
| 20:59.53 | bpuzon | abrotman each time the computer is turned on, the clock is advanced one hour forward |
| 21:00.05 | abrotman | so fix the clock |
| 21:00.11 | Jungleland | bpuzon: sounds like you have your TimeZOne wrong. |
| 21:00.12 | abrotman | either use ntp or hwclock .. |
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| 21:00.25 | ludwig__ | dpkg, I know, the ":" is not nice, but the file is part of a user's profile on the Samba-PDC, so W98 (they still run W98) has created it ... |
| 21:00.25 | dpkg | ludwig__: what are you talking about? |
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| 21:00.46 | Shadowcat | !bot |
| 21:00.46 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 21:00.52 | bpuzon | abrotman I think I selected "the clock is set to the GMT" at some dialogbox, but don't know which one |
| 21:00.57 | abrotman | ludwig__: dpkg is a bot |
| 21:01.00 | loggygreg | ludwig__: dpkg is a bot |
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| 21:01.05 | ludwig__ | oh, ok |
| 21:01.07 | Shadowcat | I doubt he even knows what a bot is |
| 21:01.10 | abrotman | !timezone |
| 21:01.10 | dpkg | hmm... timezone is "ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/<timezone> /etc/localtime", or tzconfig |
| 21:01.12 | abrotman | bah |
| 21:01.23 | roxy_ | !webcam |
| 21:01.23 | dpkg | it has been said that webcam is a method to setup a webcam using Debian: http://www.aboutdebian.com/webcam.htm |
| 21:01.33 | roxy_ | !more about webcam |
| 21:01.45 | abrotman | they suck ? |
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| 21:02.20 | ludwig__ | well, since everyone has taken notice I spoke to a bot, maybe someone can help? |
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| 21:02.43 | MyWay | abrotman are you here? |
| 21:02.50 | lightcap | whats the preferred way to get ruby 1.8.4 on sarge since it comes with 1.8.2? I could obviously compile from source, but I'd like to take advantage of dpkg tracking the install. |
| 21:03.03 | close_to_debian | rsync is stuck at big files why is it so |
| 21:03.04 | stew | lightcap: /msg dpkg backports |
| 21:03.06 | close_to_debian | any idead |
| 21:03.11 | MyWay | i have a driver .gz in my CD, how can i install it? |
| 21:03.12 | close_to_debian | idea |
| 21:03.13 | lightcap | ah! forgot about backports! |
| 21:03.19 | lightcap | thanks |
| 21:03.24 | stew | lightcap: iirc there is a ruby backport at backports.org |
| 21:03.28 | abrotman | MyWay: kind of .. why? |
| 21:03.36 | MyWay | oh abrotman you are back |
| 21:03.39 | MyWay | i download the driver |
| 21:03.44 | abrotman | and? |
| 21:03.44 | MyWay | i burned it in the cd |
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| 21:03.49 | MyWay | now how do i install it? |
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| 21:04.02 | abrotman | you have to compile it |
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| 21:04.07 | abrotman | !find unichrome etch |
| 21:04.12 | MyWay | how? |
| 21:04.18 | jzakhem | I have problem with opendchub on my debianbox.. it's on LAN on my network... other outside users can connect to it but when I try I get "connection closed" right after I connected |
| 21:04.23 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'unichrome' (3): (/usr/lib/dri/unichrome_dri.so) in libs/libgl1-mesa-dri ;; (/usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/vidix/unichrome_vid.so) in libs/libxine1 ;; (/usr/lib/directfb-0.9.22/gfxdrivers/{libdirectfb_unichrome.a|libdirectfb_unichrome.la|libdirectfb_unichrome.so}) in libs/libdirectfb-0.9-22. |
| 21:04.33 | jzakhem | anyone know what to do? |
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| 21:04.39 | close_to_debian | rsync is stuck at big files why is it so |
| 21:04.40 | Shadowcat | MyWay: READ the documentation |
| 21:04.42 | close_to_debian | any idead |
| 21:04.50 | abrotman | close_to_debian: i doubt it's stuck |
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| 21:05.10 | MyWay | abrotman: what does this mean? |
| 21:05.26 | MyWay | Shadowcat: i will |
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| 21:05.37 | positron | My ssh connections freeze, can anyone help me? I have already done the TCPKeepAlive and KeepAlive to yes. The connection window just freezes but the connection remains established in the server end. Plz help :) |
| 21:05.39 | MyWay | but now i can't, it's hard for me to understand from here |
| 21:05.41 | abrotman | it means you sohuld read the docs on compiling the driver |
| 21:05.59 | MyWay | abrotman can you past it in my query pleaase? |
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| 21:06.16 | *** part/#debian illsci (n=illsci@felony.criminal.org) |
| 21:06.20 | romeo_ | iptables is sending it's output to standard output, how can I redirect this |
| 21:06.36 | close_to_debian | abortman: the file is 2.5GB the file in remote location is also the same size |
| 21:06.43 | ludwig__ | OT: anyone who can explain me the timer-interrupts of the PC? |
| 21:06.50 | arnd__ | romeo_: what output? |
| 21:07.00 | close_to_debian | abrotman: So why does it remain there for 8 hours |
| 21:07.07 | abrotman | MyWay: i don't have the docs |
| 21:07.14 | MyWay | who has |
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| 21:07.15 | abrotman | close_to_debian: rsync has to compare it ? |
| 21:07.22 | abrotman | MyWay: you do .. you downloaded them |
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| 21:07.32 | close_to_debian | abrotman: Its incremental backup |
| 21:07.37 | MyWay | hm how do i accede to it? |
| 21:07.40 | MyWay | it's a .gz |
| 21:07.44 | close_to_debian | abrotman: so 10 hours is normal |
| 21:07.50 | close_to_debian | ? |
| 21:07.50 | stew | MyWay: what is this driver for? |
| 21:07.52 | abrotman | close_to_debian: depends on the amount of data |
| 21:07.55 | abrotman | stew: unichrome |
| 21:07.58 | MyWay | stew for my graphic card |
| 21:08.03 | close_to_debian | abrotman: 2.5GB sql file |
| 21:08.05 | MyWay | s3 unichrome |
| 21:08.07 | abrotman | which i thought was in xorg .. but apparently not |
| 21:08.09 | romeo_ | arnd_:standard output, on the command line |
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| 21:08.20 | jzakhem | Any ideas guys? |
| 21:08.22 | lightcap | jesus, most of the links at backports.org are broken |
| 21:08.24 | loggygreg | MyWay: gunzip your file but if it is a tar.gz => tar zxvf your file |
| 21:08.31 | sett[away] | I've registered in jabber through gaim and used icq gate, how can I unregister from icq now and leave only jabber? |
| 21:08.33 | abrotman | close_to_debian: that doesn't seem quite right |
| 21:08.38 | MyWay | ok loggy i try |
| 21:08.43 | close_to_debian | abrotman: ? |
| 21:08.46 | roxy_ | if I had module missing, would xawtv tells me, or would a grey screen be possible ? |
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| 21:08.58 | abrotman | close_to_debian: it's 10 hours for one file? |
| 21:09.05 | abrotman | !tell augi01 about root |
| 21:09.06 | arnd__ | romeo_, no, i mean what kind of output do you want to redirect? |
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| 21:09.12 | close_to_debian | abrotman: Yes |
| 21:09.22 | abrotman | i can't imagine that's correct .. |
| 21:09.24 | loggygreg | MyWay: and read the README file if it exists |
| 21:09.26 | close_to_debian | abrotman: Its the same place everythime |
| 21:09.36 | romeo_ | arnd_: all of the iptables output |
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| 21:10.01 | MyWay | hm, the file is in a CD, how can i view it and then open it as you said? |
| 21:10.08 | romeo_ | arnd_: example(IN-world: IN=eth0 OUT = MAC ff:ff: ) etc etc... on and on |
| 21:10.18 | MyWay | with cd /dev/cdrom i can't go it says it's not a directory :P |
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| 21:10.57 | Keefe | myway: mount /dev/cdrom |
| 21:11.00 | darkfires | does anybody know what package mozilla thunderbird has been updated to 1.5? my mozilla-thunderbird package is still 1.0.7.... |
| 21:11.16 | jzakhem | well I redirected a port on the debian to forward port 4001 to my computer. |
| 21:11.56 | arnd__ | romeo_, sorry, i haven't seen that before... |
| 21:12.10 | loggygreg | MyWay: what have you downloaded ? |
| 21:12.22 | MyWay | loggygreg: from the site abrotman told me i find the driver |
| 21:12.23 | romeo_ | arnd_: ahh, that's ok, I'll figure it out eventually :) |
| 21:12.24 | cheal | darkfires: Thunderbird 1.5 is not in any Debian release. |
| 21:12.32 | abrotman | !unichrome |
| 21:12.32 | dpkg | from memory, unichrome is the graphics core found on many recent VIA chipsets. Namely, VIA CLE266, KM400/KN400, K8M800/K8N800, PM800/PM880/CN400. See http://unichrome.sf.net/ or bother libv. see <xorg sarge> |
| 21:12.39 | darkfires | cheal: why not ? |
| 21:12.40 | abrotman | though why he burnt it on a CD .. i have no idea |
| 21:12.41 | MyWay | but now it's in a CD and i don't know how to go inside it and install this file :P |
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| 21:12.53 | cheal | darkfires: the new package is in NEW |
| 21:12.57 | loggygreg | MyWay: why have you burned a cd ? |
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| 21:13.06 | MyWay | because i downloaded it from windows |
| 21:13.08 | darkfires | cheal: what do you mean is in NEW ? |
| 21:13.09 | abrotman | i think he downloaded it in windows .. instead of asking how to download in linux |
| 21:13.12 | MyWay | i don't know how to use the browser here |
| 21:13.18 | cheal | !tell darkfires about NEW |
| 21:13.21 | MyWay | yes abrotman :P |
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| 21:13.32 | abrotman | MyWay: you didn't need a browser |
| 21:13.37 | MyWay | ah |
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| 21:14.30 | loggygreg | MyWay: wget path to your (internet) driver package |
| 21:14.44 | alex116 | how do i get cp to prompt me about overwriting existing files? |
| 21:14.48 | stew | abrotman: your boss just called and told me to tell you to take the rest of the day off and go biking |
| 21:15.05 | dondelelcaro | alex116: with -i; man cp |
| 21:15.08 | loggygreg | stew abrotman i try to help you |
| 21:15.19 | *** mode/#debian [+J 8,5] by dondelelcaro |
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| 21:15.34 | MyWay | ok someone can give me the url? |
| 21:15.34 | MyWay | :P |
| 21:16.16 | darkfires | cheal: I have unstable in my apt source list though? |
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| 21:16.34 | cheal | darkfires: thunderbird 1.5 is not in unstable neither |
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| 21:16.58 | darkfires | ubuntu looks better and better everyday |
| 21:17.09 | alex116 | is it possible to write files larger than 4gb to a fat32 drive? |
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| 21:17.30 | darkfires | debian is turning into slackware. |
| 21:17.42 | cheal | darkfires: consider telling that to #ubuntu |
| 21:17.45 | daneturner | hello |
| 21:17.58 | daneturner | I'd like to add a trusted CA Cert to Firefox for all users. According to folks on #firefox at irc.mozilla.org the default certs are compiled in. Is there a way to add additional CA Certs without having to touch each user's firefox profile? I have 100 users on 50 workstations. |
| 21:18.01 | darkfires | cheal: im sure they already know :) |
| 21:18.03 | reerG | quien habla español ?? |
| 21:18.13 | MyWay | reerg go in the esp channel |
| 21:18.13 | arnd__ | !es |
| 21:18.14 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:18.17 | alex116 | #debian-es |
| 21:18.17 | cheal | darkfires: then you might want to keep it for yourself |
| 21:18.22 | reerG | ok |
| 21:18.34 | abrotman | loggygreg: ? |
| 21:18.39 | abrotman | stew: no freaking kidding |
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| 21:18.52 | darkfires | cheal: nah. |
| 21:18.53 | dwarf | hiho |
| 21:18.54 | loggygreg | abrotman: what is the url ? |
| 21:18.58 | abrotman | stew: it was 72ish today .. and i'm in the damn office |
| 21:18.59 | dondelelcaro | if you care about thuderbird, help out Alexander Sack. |
| 21:19.03 | abrotman | loggygreg: /msg dpkg unichrome |
| 21:19.20 | MyWay | can someone find it for me please? |
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| 21:19.25 | cheal | darkfires: then, #ubuntu |
| 21:20.28 | Telmo | do I really need to download the 2 debian dvds? Can I only download the first one? |
| 21:20.39 | dondelelcaro | MyWay: what are you looking for? |
| 21:20.41 | MyWay | Telmo you need the first cd only i think |
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| 21:20.49 | dondelelcaro | Telmo: you don't need to download any of them. Just get a netinst cd. |
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| 21:20.59 | MyWay | dondelelcaro: for an url of a driver for my graphic card S3 Unichrome |
| 21:21.03 | jcuk | hmm, debian is not able to detect my onboard ethernet? anyone know how to fix this (netinstall cd) |
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| 21:21.06 | stew | Telmo: if the machine you are installing can be networked with a standard debian kernel you can use a 110 mb netinst cd |
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| 21:21.13 | loggygreg | abrotman: the patch has to be applied ? |
| 21:21.15 | stew | actually i guess its 130 or so these days... |
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| 21:21.26 | daneturner | firefox packagers, anyone? |
| 21:21.34 | znh | Hello, i've misconfigured my locales. how can I walk those steps through again |
| 21:21.43 | abrotman | loggygreg: i've not used it .. |
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| 21:21.53 | loggygreg | abrotman: ok :-) |
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| 21:22.04 | dondelelcaro | MyWay: it's supported by the vias3 driver, which should be distributed in the xorg package.s |
| 21:22.06 | abrotman | loggygreg: i know it exists .. but i thought it was merged into xorg |
| 21:22.18 | MyWay | dondelelcaro: are you sure? :O |
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| 21:22.23 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: is it patched into debian xorg? |
| 21:22.26 | dondelelcaro | !info xserver-xorg-video-via |
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| 21:22.32 | dondelelcaro | !info xserver-xorg-video-via experimental |
| 21:22.35 | dpkg | xserver-xorg-video-via: (X.Org X server -- VIA display driver), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:0.1.33.2-1 (experimental), Packaged size: 120 kB, Installed size: 388 kB |
| 21:22.37 | abrotman | bah .. he's right |
| 21:22.41 | Telmo | thank you for your help. :) |
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| 21:22.48 | abrotman | !drxx MyWay |
| 21:22.48 | dpkg | MyWay: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 21:22.49 | larmer | Can anyone help me to get the new wireless Microsoft keyboard to work? f1 f2 f3.... buttons don't work. tried to change keyboard type on configuration program but no effect. |
| 21:22.51 | arnd__ | znh, /msg dpkg locales |
| 21:22.51 | abrotman | MyWay: choose via |
| 21:22.55 | znh | arnd__: k thanks |
| 21:22.58 | MyWay | ok |
| 21:23.05 | abrotman | MyWay: i apologize .. i thought it was S3 unichrome |
| 21:23.14 | darkfires | it's been almost 3 months since 1.5 was released heh |
| 21:23.22 | dondelelcaro | darkfires: so help package it. |
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| 21:23.42 | loggygreg | abrotman: good news |
| 21:23.42 | dondelelcaro | almost none of us actually use thunderbird, so we could care less what version it's on |
| 21:23.54 | abrotman | i was damn sure it was there .. but i thought it was S3 unichrome |
| 21:23.58 | cheal | darkfires: how long since your last TB patch, or participation to NEW processing? |
| 21:24.01 | abrotman | somedays i'm an idiot .. ok .. every day |
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| 21:24.04 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yeah, it is... but it's Via/S3 ;-) |
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| 21:24.18 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: because via bought out the S3 IP ? |
| 21:24.25 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: no clue |
| 21:24.28 | larmer | Can anyone help me to get the new wireless Microsoft keyboard to work? f1 f2 f3.... buttons don't work. tried to change keyboard type on configuration program but no effect. |
| 21:24.32 | abrotman | darn those merging companies! |
| 21:24.45 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: via has so many chipsets and boards and cpus that I can't keep track of them anymore |
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| 21:25.15 | MyWay | it worksssssssssss |
| 21:25.18 | dondelelcaro | larmer: do you have the fn lock button down? |
| 21:25.21 | bgat | can sarge load keyspan serial adapter firmware via hotplug? |
| 21:25.23 | abrotman | MyWay: give dondelelcaro a big hug :) |
| 21:25.29 | MyWay | thanks dondelelcaro ahah |
| 21:25.34 | MyWay | thanks you too abrotman for the time |
| 21:25.38 | dondelelcaro | iirc, one of those keyboards doesn't have the F{1-12} working by default |
| 21:25.38 | MyWay | you lose with me |
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| 21:25.54 | abrotman | MyWay: too bad i'm a freaking idiot and i couldn't remember the driver name .. |
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| 21:26.06 | dondelelcaro | MyWay: np; glad you got it working |
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| 21:26.17 | MyWay | lol, abrotman you can't remember all :P |
| 21:26.18 | marccd | how can I see the hostname and domainname of a machine? |
| 21:26.24 | abrotman | MyWay: i blame the beer! |
| 21:26.29 | MyWay | :P |
| 21:26.32 | larmer | dondelelcaro, oh that fixed it, thanks!! what's that fn button?! |
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| 21:26.40 | darkfires | unfortunately debian is slacking in many areas not just thunderbird, would be a waste of time. time would be better spent switching to a distro that's actually maintained properly. |
| 21:26.44 | znh | Hmm, how can I reconfigure my keyboard |
| 21:26.47 | bgat | does the sarge release support keyspan USB-serial adapters? |
| 21:27.01 | marccd | bgat: might |
| 21:27.03 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 21:27.06 | larmer | dondelelcaro, I would never have thought that myself... I thought it's just some stupid scroll lock |
| 21:27.09 | jcuk | debian installer is not detecting my on-board ethernet, anyone got any idea's? |
| 21:27.13 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@dhcp-0-4-75-dd-9c-1b.cpe.quickclic.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 21:27.15 | bgat | marccd: for certain definitions of "might"? :) |
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| 21:27.43 | marccd | bgat: try it, check out the kernel docs on it, google.. |
| 21:27.44 | dondelelcaro | larmer: it's some lameass windows thing... I think they feel that people don't know how to use the function keys. [and unfortunatly, for their core market, they're probably right...] |
| 21:27.50 | dondelelcaro | s/windows/microsoft/ |
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| 21:28.26 | bgat | it recognizes that I have plugged a keyspan adapter in, then it says "usb 8-1: Required keyspan firmware image (USA49WLC) unavailable". Just trying to decide if upgrading pieces of my system to testing (i.e. the kernel and hotplug) will help. |
| 21:28.26 | znh | how can I reconfigure my keymaps |
| 21:28.32 | jcuk | oh ffs |
| 21:28.43 | jcuk | r0 doesent have support for usb keyboards :'( |
| 21:29.02 | dondelelcaro | jcuk: sure it does; try using install26 |
| 21:29.08 | larmer | dondelelcaro, yep. there are things like new, open, close, reply, fws, send.... written on f-buttons, and f1 f2 f3 f4 are written on the lower side of the buttons, |
| 21:29.10 | jcuk | i tried linux26 |
| 21:29.11 | lightcap | not seeing a ruby 1.8.4 backport |
| 21:29.12 | jcuk | hold on |
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| 21:29.38 | jetscreamer | seen a linux26 |
| 21:29.55 | jcuk | yeah install26 dont work |
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| 21:30.02 | dondelelcaro | in 3.1r0a? |
| 21:30.07 | jcuk | yep |
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| 21:30.22 | jcuk | works in r1 tho |
| 21:30.33 | dondelelcaro | jcuk: well, the 2.6 kernel, whichever option it is, definetly works here with USB keyboards. |
| 21:30.37 | dondelelcaro | jcuk: so use r1... |
| 21:30.43 | jcuk | oh its workin now :S |
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| 21:30.53 | jcuk | r1 isnt detecting ethernet |
| 21:31.15 | jcuk | bah neither is r0 :( |
| 21:31.17 | dondelelcaro | jcuk: if it's not seeing the ethernet, r0 probably won't either. Use an etch nightly. |
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| 21:31.47 | Golfgeo | Hi all |
| 21:31.51 | jcuk | nah not workin |
| 21:32.05 | jcuk | dunno how to get ethernet then :S |
| 21:32.08 | jetscreamer | did you load the installer modules |
| 21:32.13 | arnd__ | jcuk, what does lspci tell you? |
| 21:32.21 | jetscreamer | mine is never detected right off |
| 21:32.42 | jcuk | hld on |
| 21:33.07 | jetscreamer | i think i have to get to the fourth part or something |
| 21:33.57 | jetscreamer | might have been either detect & load cdrom or the one after |
| 21:33.58 | Golfgeo | Working on creating a custom install cd. Looking for the boot.img file to create the bootable cd, but can't find it on the netinstall cd. Can I rip it from the cd or is it named something else than boot.img? |
| 21:35.04 | jcuk | yeah the modules load automatically |
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| 21:35.19 | streuner_ | Goldgeo: why do you think you need a custom netinstall-CD? |
| 21:35.20 | jcuk | then it asks me to detect network hardware |
| 21:35.33 | dondelelcaro | Golfgeo: if you want a custom install cd, you should be using d-i to build your own boot.img |
| 21:36.24 | Golfgeo | dondelelcaro, what is d-i? |
| 21:36.41 | jetscreamer | !d-i |
| 21:36.41 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 21:36.49 | cyberwolf_ | hello, how can i get newer kde than 3.3.2 ? |
| 21:37.06 | cheal | cyberwolf_: ask #debian-ke |
| 21:37.09 | cheal | cyberwolf_: ask #debian-kde |
| 21:37.16 | cyberwolf_ | ok |
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| 21:37.37 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: d-i is also d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. |
| 21:37.37 | dpkg | is also d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i., you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 21:37.58 | Golfgeo | streuner_, It is a recovery/install disk with a tar of a good fs so the cd can be used to restore a system or install a new one... |
| 21:38.04 | abrotman | !sarge bf |
| 21:38.05 | dpkg | rumour has it, sarge floppies is http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitute your arch for i386 |
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| 21:38.39 | Golfgeo | dondelelcar, thanks mate, going to look at d-i |
| 21:38.58 | dondelelcaro | Golfgeo: if you have questions about it, #debian-boot is the best place to ask (but you can always ask here too) |
| 21:39.49 | streuner_ | Goldgeo: in the meantime just read this http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt |
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| 21:41.17 | Golfgeo | Thanks all :-) |
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| 21:42.04 | jcuk | okay ive got a Uli PCI Fast Ethernet card |
| 21:42.13 | jcuk | well, onboard ethernet |
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| 21:44.53 | juanma5 | hi there... running 'badblocks' on a hard drive I've been having trouble with for some days, I get as a result something like "block 0 is damaged, blocks 0-3 must be correct in order to create a file system"... so, is there anything I could do or I better use this drive as paper weight?.. what is a superblock?... why can I create a fat-32 filesystem running windows?.. :) |
| 21:45.22 | marlun | In a linux guide I'm reading the author describes the /var directory like this: "Storage for all variable files and temporary files created by users, such as log files, the mail queue, the print spooler area, space for temporary storage of files downloaded from the Internet, or to keep an image of a CD before burning it." Isn't the home directories used for things like keeping cd images before burning them? |
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| 21:46.48 | dondelelcaro | juanma5: is this a modern drive? |
| 21:46.53 | juanma5 | marlun: I think that's configurable... on my system cd images are stored on /temp |
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| 21:47.28 | juanma5 | dondeelcaro: well.. not that modern... a 20 GB hard drive |
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| 21:47.43 | marlun | juanma5, ok I just thought that users were suppoed to keep their files inside their home folders :P |
| 21:47.49 | dondelelcaro | juanma5: hrm... well, if the early blocks are bad, you're going to need them to store the partition map |
| 21:48.11 | juanma5 | oh.. |
| 21:48.11 | dondelelcaro | juanma5: it's possible to salvage the drive, but since a replacement for it is only $20-50, I'd strongly recommend ditching it |
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| 21:48.47 | dondelelcaro | juanma5: with a more modern drive, the bad blocks are remapped by the drive itself, so that doesn't happen. [but when you start seeing bad blocks, it's time to chuck even a new drive.] |
| 21:49.22 | nvz | ow |
| 21:49.42 | juanma5 | dondelcaro: :) oh.. I see... |
| 21:49.56 | lightcap | so given the absence of ruby 1.8.4 backports, whats the preferred way to handle adding it? Is there an easy way to compile from source and create a deb? |
| 21:49.57 | dwarf | !tell nvz about headache |
| 21:50.11 | dondelelcaro | lightcap: the method is to make your own backport |
| 21:50.12 | nvz | dwarf: headache is also using sprint |
| 21:50.17 | dondelelcaro | !simple sid backport |
| 21:50.17 | dpkg | i heard simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports>, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/abp/ |
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| 21:50.45 | Keefe | why do I get * * * when i use traceroute? - i am behind a router |
| 21:50.48 | grindking | why would ls hang when i try to get a dir listing in say /home/grind/public_html, but not in /home/grind/public_html/images? |
| 21:50.56 | grindking | it just started i think |
| 21:51.01 | Keefe | how do i make it work? |
| 21:51.02 | grindking | fsck time? or bad sector? |
| 21:51.08 | lightcap | dondelelcaro: that won't result in an upgrade to sid? |
| 21:51.14 | jetscreamer | you're not worthy |
| 21:51.15 | Keefe | which port do i need to open? |
| 21:51.27 | jetscreamer | *** means can't connect |
| 21:51.28 | dondelelcaro | lightcap: not if you just use the deb-src line. You technically don't even need to do that, as you can build the line manually. |
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| 21:51.55 | lightcap | hmm...I've really not used deb-src....better go read up on it |
| 21:52.08 | Kronoz | using uk mirrors i couldn't use debian cd1 to install from the mirrors, it would scan the mirrors and but got stuck on security updates saying it could not find them, stalling if I tried to continue |
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| 21:52.14 | dondelelcaro | lightcap: visit packages.debian.org/ruby if you want to download just that source package from unstable. You'll need the orig.tar.gz, .dsc, and .diff.gz. then dpkg-source -x foo.dsc; |
| 21:52.18 | Kronoz | is there a problem with the security upates atm |
| 21:52.20 | Keefe | obviously i am connected because i can type here! |
| 21:52.26 | djp | how do i find what port my usb camera is using? |
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| 21:52.33 | dondelelcaro | lightcap: then install the builddeps, build-essential, modify the control if necessary, and fakeroot debian/rules binary; |
| 21:52.38 | Keefe | netstat |
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| 21:52.40 | grindking | Keefe: that doesn't mean the trace route will connect to whoever you're attempting to connect to |
| 21:52.41 | lightcap | dondelelcaro: that's the way I've done it in the past...but I didn't know if that tends to confuse the system |
| 21:53.03 | Jungleland | stew: if yuo are still out there. Thanks, after the dist-upgrade (full of trouble as it was) VMWare built just fine. |
| 21:53.03 | juanma5 | dondeelcaro, ... is there an easy way of remapping the hard drive anyway? |
| 21:53.05 | dondelelcaro | lightcap: nah, it doesn't. You just need to keep track of the fact that you've backported things, and let us know that you've done so. |
| 21:53.13 | lightcap | ok |
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| 21:53.36 | dondelelcaro | juanma5: if you absolutely have to, you can make a loop device that skips the first N blocks on the drive, and then make a filesystem that uses the rest of the drive |
| 21:53.39 | arnd__ | keefe, it simply means that you don't recive any "ttl execeded" replys |
| 21:53.40 | grindking | so no one knows why ls would randomly hang? |
| 21:53.45 | dwarf | right, finished burning, trying a netinstall now.... cya there |
| 21:53.52 | RolandU | hi all! I tried to install bluez-utils, however installation hung up after "Starting bluez-utils: hcid sdpd" ..... "dpkg --configure -a" also hangs up. now I cannot install or remove anything. What can I do? |
| 21:53.59 | dondelelcaro | grindking: look at dmesg. If ls is hanging, your drive is having issues generally |
| 21:54.21 | arnd__ | Keefe, maybe the gateway does not send any or the are filtered by some firewall |
| 21:54.21 | dondelelcaro | RolandU: use the paster bot to give us the full output. It'd also help if you showed us the ps axfu; output. |
| 21:54.41 | Keefe | i have a router/firewall |
| 21:54.45 | grindking | dondelelcaro: well i looked, and hdd: lost interrupt was showing, but that's my /usr3 mount, and this dir happens to be in /home/grind/public_html, my main area of use.. could it be coincidence or would that OTHER hdd doing that cause problems on the /home (/hdb) mount? |
| 21:54.50 | nvz | Keefe: me too |
| 21:54.50 | Keefe | dlink di-624 |
| 21:55.00 | grindking | it just happened in the past few days if so, cuz i'm usually moving around in that dir |
| 21:55.06 | grindking | i need to remove APIC from kernel :( |
| 21:55.29 | dondelelcaro | grindking: it's possible |
| 21:55.36 | moke1809 | grindking: try running your kernel with noapic nolapic options |
| 21:55.42 | dondelelcaro | grindking: esp. if you have a symlink from /home to /usr3 |
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| 21:55.57 | grindking | dondelelcaro: you just answered it |
| 21:56.04 | Agrajag-_ | gday, im trying to install lirc from the lirc-modules-source package, but the "debian/rules binary-modules" fails because it can't find a bunch of header files and stuff. i have both linux-headers and linux-source installed - linux-source seems to be missing files like include/linux/version.h and include/linux/autoconf.h - but they are in the linux-headers package. am i supposed to setup some elaborate symlinks in /usr/src/linux ? |
| 21:56.04 | grindking | i do have a symlink |
| 21:56.22 | juanma5 | dondeelcaro... how could I make a loop device? :) .. I haven't got a clue.. :P |
| 21:56.35 | lightcap | dondelelcaro: generally is it better to do it that way than to just grab the source from the ruby site and compile away? |
| 21:56.46 | moke1809 | Agrajag: try running make prepare in /usr/src/linux |
| 21:57.12 | Agrajag-_ | moke1809: and is usr/src/linux supposed to be a link to source right? |
| 21:57.12 | dondelelcaro | juanma5: with losetup. Seriously though, just get a new drive. |
| 21:57.19 | moke1809 | juanma5: loop device with and iso? |
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| 21:57.28 | moke1809 | Agrajag: jap |
| 21:57.34 | dondelelcaro | lightcap: yes, because you get the advantage of any Debian specific patches, and a much better upgrade path |
| 21:57.37 | nvz | juanma5: i usually take my shoelaces and make a pair of loopdevices by twisting them around my finger |
| 21:58.00 | jabber | Watch Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 21:58.04 | lightcap | dondelelcaro: cool, so if I want to add all the available ruby source pacakges, what would the entry look like in my sources.list? |
| 21:58.05 | RolandU | please have a look at: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2032 |
| 21:58.05 | grindking | anyway thanks for the help dondelelcaro, always <3 debian! :D |
| 21:58.07 | juanma5 | heheh.... |
| 21:58.30 | jabber | Watch Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 21:58.34 | dondelelcaro | lightcap: just by adding a deb-src line for unstable, you'll be able to download all of the unstable source packages. |
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| 21:59.01 | juanma5 | dondeelcaro.. I know... and thanks a lot!!! |
| 21:59.11 | dondelelcaro | juanma5: np |
| 21:59.17 | lightcap | dondelelcaro: but then how would I choose whether I wanted the stable source package for something else in the future? |
| 21:59.28 | SimonRaven | oh here we go again |
| 21:59.29 | dondelelcaro | lightcap: you append the proper version when you use apt-get source |
| 21:59.35 | lightcap | ah, swet |
| 21:59.38 | SimonRaven | *sigh* |
| 21:59.43 | moke1809 | lightcap:pin your release with apt.preferences |
| 21:59.46 | Agrajag-_ | moke1809: now it's telling me "/usr/src/linux/2.6.15-1-686/build: No such file or directory" ? |
| 22:00.09 | dondelelcaro | lightcap: however, by default you will get the unstable results. [You can probably using pinning, but I generally find that more complex than necessary.] |
| 22:00.21 | dondelelcaro | s/results/source package/ |
| 22:00.44 | moke1809 | Agrajag: try copying config from /boot/ and then runnig make prepare |
| 22:00.59 | RolandU | dondelelcaro, http://channels.debian.net/paste/2032 |
| 22:01.43 | dondelelcaro | RolandU: /usr/sbin/hid2hci --tohci |
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| 22:02.03 | dondelelcaro | RolandU: that's why you're having issues. I don't know why it's in D, but it is. Check your dmesg to see if it is enlightening at all |
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| 22:02.34 | cheal | dondelelcaro: is the ban just for one IP? |
| 22:02.42 | dondelelcaro | cheal: which one? |
| 22:02.48 | Agrajag-_ | moke1809: excellent, thanks. except my lirc module has errors now, i guess the lirc-modules-source package isn't in sync with the kernel version i have or something |
| 22:02.56 | cheal | dondelelcaro: *!*@toronto-HSE-ppp4057491.sympatico.ca |
| 22:03.01 | dondelelcaro | cheal: yes |
| 22:03.17 | moke1809 | Agrajag-_: could be, what is the output? |
| 22:03.40 | cheal | dondelelcaro: OK. IPs from PPPoE with sympatico change every connection, but I suppose that's better than nothing |
| 22:03.53 | RolandU | dondelelcaro, is it possible that my firewall is blocking the bluetooth? |
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| 22:04.08 | Agrajag-_ | moke1809: http://rafb.net/paste/results/kY6eZx85.html |
| 22:04.10 | dondelelcaro | RolandU: that wouldn't cause that particular issue. |
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| 22:04.36 | dondelelcaro | cheal: well, the alternative is to block the whole netblock, and that is unworkable. |
| 22:04.48 | cheal | dondelelcaro: right :$ |
| 22:04.53 | Agrajag-_ | moke1809: hang on that didn't get the whole paste |
| 22:04.57 | RolandU | dondelelcaro, /usr/sbin/hid2hci --tohci ...... hangs as well |
| 22:05.06 | dondelelcaro | (and nick, ident, and realname based bans aren't any better.) |
| 22:05.09 | dondelelcaro | RolandU: yes, that's the point |
| 22:05.16 | dondelelcaro | RolandU: check dmesg and see why it's hanging |
| 22:05.18 | RolandU | oh, sorry, I misunderstood |
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| 22:06.17 | Agrajag-_ | moke1809: http://rafb.net/paste/results/cQbtGs32.html |
| 22:07.01 | moke1809 | Agrajag: think you're missing some development libariries |
| 22:07.26 | moke1809 | Agrajag: where did you get the source? from deb-src? |
| 22:07.30 | Agrajag-_ | yeah |
| 22:07.52 | moke1809 | Agrajag: did you run apt-get build-dep? |
| 22:08.22 | Agrajag-_ | hmm nope, what package do i have to run that for? |
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| 22:09.27 | moke1809 | Agrajag: when you install source from deb-src it is advisable to run apt-get source package and then apt-get build-dep package, that will pull all the needed deps |
| 22:09.40 | Agrajag-_ | ah right ok, thanks, i'll do that |
| 22:09.56 | RolandU | dondelelcaro, unfortunately I cannot see anything usefull in dmesg output .... http://channels.debian.net/paste/2033 |
| 22:09.59 | moke1809 | Agrajag: think youre missing liblircclient-dev |
| 22:10.48 | dondelelcaro | RolandU: that's it? |
| 22:11.04 | dondelelcaro | RolandU: hrm... try an strace -o tmpfile /usr/sbin/hid2hci --tohci; and see where it's hanging |
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| 22:11.54 | Buddha| | Is there a list of Apt repositories somewhere? |
| 22:12.01 | Agrajag-_ | moke1809: i've installed that but i still get the same error |
| 22:12.06 | PerfDave | Buddha|: http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ IIRC |
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| 22:12.17 | pingouin | what it the trick to erase a file that start with an -, as -foo.mp3 for instance |
| 22:12.24 | moke1809 | Agrajag: what did build-dep give? |
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| 22:13.03 | Agrajag-_ | moke1809: http://rafb.net/paste/results/wKSQPO29.html |
| 22:13.32 | loggygreg | pingouin: rm "your file" |
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| 22:13.53 | Durin | pingouin: rm -- -foo.mp3 |
| 22:14.06 | pingouin | loggygreg: thx, but already tried |
| 22:14.11 | pingouin | Durin: thanks |
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| 22:14.22 | loggygreg | pingouin: sorry |
| 22:14.26 | pingouin | that's perfect |
| 22:14.30 | pingouin | loggygreg: nevermind |
| 22:14.37 | pingouin | thanks for care |
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| 22:14.47 | RolandU | dondelelcaro, strance hangs as well as lsusb. I think that the whole usb-system is broken. Surprisingly my keyboard doesn't hang. |
| 22:14.52 | skon | how many iso's do i need to download for a base install? |
| 22:14.52 | moke1809 | Agrajag: what system are you running? |
| 22:15.12 | Agrajag-_ | moke1809: testing |
| 22:15.14 | dondelelcaro | RolandU: hrm... ok... well, I was expecting it to hang. What I wanted to see was in the tmpfile output. |
| 22:15.35 | moke1809 | skon: just the first, or a net isntall when you have a good internet con |
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| 22:15.38 | pingouin | skon: only cd1, then use the apt-get, with you're source list pointing to internet |
| 22:15.55 | moke1809 | Agrajag: did you pull the package source from unstable? |
| 22:15.59 | RolandU | dondelelcaro, ah. it hangs after trying to open one of the usb-ports |
| 22:16.10 | skon | moke: ta, don't want net-install though as i want to run tripwire first |
| 22:16.38 | moke1809 | skon: then just the first, run tripwire after baseinstall |
| 22:16.44 | RolandU | dondelelcaro, think rebooting and disconnecting / reconnecting all usb-devices would help? |
| 22:16.50 | skon | moke: thanks |
| 22:16.51 | Agrajag-_ | moke1809: no, everything in my sources.list is etch |
| 22:17.02 | moke1809 | skon:np |
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| 22:17.19 | moke1809 | Agrajag: seems you found a problem with source deps |
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| 22:18.49 | Agrajag-_ | moke1809: hmm ok, where to go from here? |
| 22:19.06 | moke1809 | Agrajag: just tried running build-dep on my laptop |
| 22:19.33 | moke1809 | Agrajag: have no apparent problems, i'm running testing/unstable |
| 22:19.45 | moke1809 | when did you update last? |
| 22:20.05 | Keefe | i got it working by using traceroute -I |
| 22:20.11 | Agrajag-_ | well i installed with a cd image made from jigdo created about 12 hours ago |
| 22:20.12 | moke1809 | try adding deb-src from unstable |
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| 22:20.50 | moke1809 | Agrajag: maybe that will do the trick, maybe deps didn't propagate to etch |
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| 22:23.16 | Jungleland | Uhm... I have a box which after an upgrade has a video mode my monitor does not like. _and_ for some reason i have no network connectivity. Ctrl-alt-bckspace just restarts thge GUI.. how can i kill off the graphics? |
| 22:23.33 | Agrajag-_ | moke1809: ok, now build-dep worked and it installed autotools-dev devscripts libirman-dev libsvga1 libsvga1-dev libusb-dev svgalibg1-dev, but i still get the same lirc build error |
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| 22:24.24 | Durin | Jungleland: Ctrl-alt-F1 should give you a console |
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| 22:24.34 | Jungleland | Durin: Well.. it doesnt :-/ |
| 22:24.41 | moke1809 | Agrajag: ok, maybe its a kernel-source version problem. are you running kernel from etch or sid? |
| 22:24.49 | Agrajag-_ | moke1809: etch |
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| 22:25.46 | moke1809 | Agrajag: try parallel install of 2.6.15 from unstable, maybe you have a kernel ver mismatch, as you said |
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| 22:28.00 | idefx | Hi |
| 22:28.01 | Durin | Jungleland: i would reboot into single user mode |
| 22:28.07 | initzero | ho |
| 22:28.32 | Jungleland | Durin: Why didnt i think of that? :) |
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| 22:32.00 | Storkme | when i install ftpd from apt-get how do i start/configure it? |
| 22:32.25 | _X-Treme | use the init scripts in /etc/init.d |
| 22:32.45 | _X-Treme | to configure it find the config file :-) |
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| 22:33.26 | Storkme | i can't find ftpd in /etc/init.d :\ |
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| 22:33.42 | _X-Treme | what ftpd did you install ? |
| 22:33.48 | Storkme | just 'ftpd' |
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| 22:34.08 | adaran | anyone here have an ipod? |
| 22:34.13 | Storkme | adaran, i do |
| 22:34.16 | FireStorm\da | hi |
| 22:34.18 | idefx | I've got a problem with unstable and X : when I try to apt-get install x-window-system, it just dont want because it says that xserver-common depends on x11-common and x11-common conflicts with xserver-common. Does anyone have this bug, and can help me ?? i use a debian unstable on a i386. |
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| 22:34.22 | Storkme | adaran, use gtkpod |
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| 22:34.29 | RolandU | dondelelcaro, rebooting solved all my problems. |
| 22:34.30 | loggygreg | Storkme: and "grep lr ftpd /etc/init".d give ? |
| 22:34.39 | adaran | Storkme, i'm wondering what's on sdc1 and sdc2? |
| 22:34.40 | dooglus | is there a web page I can use to raise a bug report? |
| 22:34.48 | Durin | Storkme: ftpd should be preconfigured and activated in /etc/inetd.conf |
| 22:35.06 | PerfDave | dooglus: Use reportbug |
| 22:35.07 | loggygreg | Storkme: "grep -lr ftpd /etc/init.d " sorry |
| 22:35.16 | dooglus | PerfDave: reportbug.com? |
| 22:35.21 | djp | how can i remove eye of gnome? if i attempt to it says it will also remove other gnome packages, such as gnome-office |
| 22:35.23 | PerfDave | dooglus: No, it's a command. |
| 22:35.30 | dondelelcaro | RolandU: cool |
| 22:35.31 | adaran | Storkme, what kind of ipod do you have? |
| 22:35.34 | dooglus | PerfDave: sorry, I was asking about web pages |
| 22:35.36 | Storkme | adaran, a mini |
| 22:35.36 | PerfDave | dooglus: It's used for reporting bugs in Debian software. |
| 22:35.50 | PerfDave | dooglus: The Debian bug tracking system doesn't have a way to report bugs over the Web. This is a feature. |
| 22:35.55 | RolandU | dondelelcaro, seems that my usb-hub hung up after hours of playing around.... |
| 22:36.04 | dooglus | PerfDave: hmmm. |
| 22:36.10 | adaran | Storkme, hmmm i just did a mkfs on the wrong parition i guess... so i'm looking for an image of the firmware |
| 22:36.15 | dondelelcaro | RolandU: you may find that in some of those cases, unplugging and replugging it will unstick it |
| 22:36.17 | adaran | Storkme, have a nano, however |
| 22:36.21 | Storkme | ah |
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| 22:36.43 | dooglus | PerfDave: what do you do if the bug is in reportbug? |
| 22:36.50 | adaran | Storkme, and i'm wondering when it'll "reload" the whole thing (and notice it's not there anymore) |
| 22:36.53 | dondelelcaro | dooglus: you use an MUA to report the bug |
| 22:36.54 | PerfDave | dooglus: Use an old version of reportbug :) |
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| 22:37.18 | adaran | Storkme, i do have access to a mac though with itunes, i'm wondering if that'll help - however, if i unplug and it reboots, then i'm in trouble |
| 22:37.24 | dondelelcaro | indeed, most of us who report lots of bugs don't actually use reportbug anymore |
| 22:37.27 | lightcap | dondelelcaro: wow, I've never used the source build process, I'm really impressed! it's doing everything I need for ruby, even generating the rdoc! |
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| 22:37.40 | PerfDave | dooglus: "most"? Do you have stats for that? :p |
| 22:37.41 | PerfDave | opps |
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| 22:37.45 | dooglus | dondelelcaro: what do you do instead? just compose email manually? |
| 22:37.47 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: "most"? Do you have stats for that? :p |
| 22:37.50 | dondelelcaro | dooglus: right |
| 22:37.52 | dooglus | PerfDave: I know who you mean |
| 22:38.03 | PerfDave | dooglus: Have you read http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting ? |
| 22:38.05 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: no need for stats, I just look at the bug reports that are sent in |
| 22:38.12 | dondelelcaro | lightcap: yerp. You're starting to see why it's best to work with the Dbian packages |
| 22:38.16 | idefx | Hello I've got a problem with unstable and X : when I try to apt-get install x-window-system, it just dont want because it says that xserver-common depends on x11-common and x11-common conflicts with xserver-common. Does anyone have this bug, and can help me ?? i use a debian unstable on a i386. |
| 22:38.19 | dooglus | PerfDave: I don't think so. Is there a command to read that? |
| 22:38.29 | PerfDave | dooglus: Use your web browser of choice. |
| 22:38.29 | fooz | heh |
| 22:38.36 | lightcap | dondelelcaro: are the latest and greatest source packages usually availalbe? i.e., postgres 8.1? |
| 22:38.43 | fooz | dooglus, no, you absolutely have to use Internet Explorer. or it won't work. |
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| 22:38.51 | lightcap | or is it totally hit and miss |
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| 22:38.52 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: And how can you tell which bug reports are sent with reportbug and which aren't? |
| 22:38.54 | Chance | stew |
| 22:38.56 | Chance | still around ? |
| 22:38.57 | dooglus | fooz: any particular version? |
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| 22:39.00 | fooz | rofl |
| 22:39.08 | fooz | dooglus, i'm joking, use your web browser of choice |
| 22:39.17 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 22:39.17 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 22:40.10 | Shadowcat | tarzeau: any other useful packages I should be aware of? |
| 22:40.15 | Shadowcat | deborphan, popcon, etc |
| 22:40.16 | dooglus | fooz: my web browser of choice has gone 'all funny'. the menus are in a seriffed font. that's new to me. |
| 22:40.17 | Agrajag-_ | what do i haev to run to get scripts/genksyms/genksyms built in the kernel-source package? i've done make prepare after copying the config from /boot, that's all |
| 22:40.30 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: hwinfo, recode, mc, filters .. there's many |
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| 22:40.39 | Shadowcat | !info recode |
| 22:40.45 | dpkg | recode: (Character set conversion utility), section text, is optional. Version: 3.6-12 (sid), Packaged size: 175 kB, Installed size: 456 kB |
| 22:41.17 | Chance | can anyone take a look at my issue ? http://pastebin.com/595374 |
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| 22:45.01 | FlimFlamMan | is there some way to tell from the web browser whether or not ssl is being re-established with each request to a web server? |
| 22:45.23 | PerfDave | What do you mean, re-established |
| 22:45.53 | eurisko | hum, kernel panic... does it generate some logs? |
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| 22:46.14 | PerfDave | Chance: You're using lilo and not grub? |
| 22:46.21 | FlimFlamMan | PerfDave, i'm trying to benchmark a web application using ab2 with keep-alive, but it seems to be renegotiating (?) ssl with each request instead of keeping the first one |
| 22:47.15 | FlimFlamMan | PerfDave, and i'm not sure if it's ab2 or something about the config on the server.\ (it's hitting a FastCGI handler which passes the request to a process listening on another host/port) |
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| 22:48.10 | PerfDave | FlimFlamMan: Hmm, don't know whether there's an easy way of ascertanining that. |
| 22:49.06 | sigma | hello |
| 22:49.09 | Chance | PerfDave yes lilo |
| 22:49.26 | Chance | PerfDave what i am trying to do is install debian from remote |
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| 22:49.37 | sigma | boys.. i don't send the files from amsn (linux) to msn(win).. why? |
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| 22:50.15 | sigma | amsn is block... i must to cancel the trasfer... |
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| 22:50.50 | sigma | samebody can help me? |
| 22:51.55 | lightcap | dondelelcaro: so I used the source build process like you said, but ruby -v still shows ruby 1.8.2, not the one I just built... |
| 22:51.59 | poonj | hey guys |
| 22:52.42 | priscila | sigma: do your system (or network) has a firewall or a proxy? |
| 22:53.11 | poonj | I'm working with a server that uses an Adaptec 7xxx SCSI RAID 5. Which package would I need to get real-time information on the RAID status? |
| 22:53.13 | FlimFlamMan | when the logs show "seeding PRNG with X bytes of entropy", does that mean the server is establishing a new ssl connection? |
| 22:53.29 | sigma | nothing firewall o proxy.. my o.s. is etch |
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| 22:55.01 | priscila | sigma: it's strange |
| 22:55.51 | PerfDave | Chance: You're installing your bootloader into the partition's boot sector rather than the disk's? |
| 22:55.52 | lightcap | I guess a better question is: where does the apt-get -b source command dump the built debs? |
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| 22:56.08 | PerfDave | lightcap: In the same directory it's called from, no? |
| 22:56.16 | lightcap | oh? |
| 22:56.25 | lightcap | ah shit..oops :) |
| 22:56.34 | lightcap | i didn't want them there! |
| 22:56.48 | lightcap | init.d now is awfully full of crap :) |
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| 22:57.08 | CosmicHippo | hey people: I've got a server running sarge with an iptables configuration. ideally I'd like to accept connections over a specific range of IP's. iptables has an "iprange" mode that lets you use --src-range ip-ip to define such a range, but it does not seem to recognize the command when I try it. what I type is "iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -m iprange --src-range x.x.x.y-x.x.x.z -j ACCEPT". Anyone know why this won't work? |
| 22:57.24 | sigma | before it work ... and now nothing...... i don't know |
| 22:57.37 | CosmicHippo | I know this can also be done by running a shell script, but I'd like to use the in-built functions if possible |
| 22:58.15 | RolandU | I am trying to remove a kernel-module. I cannot stop it as it is currently beeing used. Can I set up to not start at next boot? |
| 22:58.49 | PerfDave | RolandU: What kernel module is it? |
| 22:59.01 | RolandU | PerfDave, bluetooth |
| 22:59.33 | PerfDave | RolandU: What's using it? |
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| 22:59.42 | phogg | stupid post-processing crashes... |
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| 23:00.24 | RolandU | I don't know. no bluetooth-thing is running but I am trying to run another tool that's not working if module-bluetooth is running. |
| 23:01.19 | Chance | PerfDave i have made the swap partition to a linux partition one temp |
| 23:01.34 | Chance | mounted it and trying there to install |
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| 23:03.25 | Chance | i just need to install somehow the image |
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| 23:07.09 | PerfDave | Chance: It looks like mkinitrd is having trouble because you're installing the bootloader to the partition, not to the drive. |
| 23:07.33 | Chance | and what to do to fix it ? |
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| 23:08.22 | PerfDave | Chance: Install the bootloader to the drive's boot sector? Use grub instead of lilo? Why *are* you using lilo anyway? |
| 23:08.40 | rav | hello. can anyone help me with kaffe virtual machine? |
| 23:08.53 | PerfDave | ##java? :) |
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| 23:09.42 | rav | PerfDave: i'm trying to install eclipse, but it gives me an error when i try to run the program |
| 23:09.53 | stew | Chance: "/usr/sbin/mkinitrd: device /dev/sda5 is not a block device" <- that seems troubling. what kind of drive are you trying to instal to? scsi? sata? |
| 23:10.06 | thewhite1 | is there a experimental archive that I can put in my sources.list that holds xorg 7? |
| 23:10.09 | Chance | it should be scsi |
| 23:10.19 | PerfDave | rav: Don't ask me, I don't touch non-Free Java with a barge pole. Might use free-java-sdk to run Eclipse though. |
| 23:10.27 | stew | Chance: does /dev/sda5 show up when you run fdisk -ls? |
| 23:10.30 | PerfDave | thewhite1: If you have to ask, you probably shouldn't *g* |
| 23:10.53 | stew | rav: show us the actual error, use a pastebin if its more than one line /msg dpkg paster |
| 23:10.55 | Chance | stew can i private you for a seccond to explain exacly what i did ? |
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| 23:11.05 | thewhite1 | PerfDave: Well I want my xgl to work so I guess im up for it. |
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| 23:11.14 | stew | Chance: its better to keep it here, i'm net going to be around much longer anyway |
| 23:11.22 | Azar | ding ding ding! updates: libcurl3 gnupg |
| 23:11.24 | Chance | oh :( |
| 23:11.24 | stew | i need to solve my lack of beer problem soon |
| 23:11.27 | CosmicHippo | okay, new question then. can anyone recommend a reliable and versatile automated firewall configuration tool? |
| 23:11.37 | PerfDave | I need to solve my lack of sleep soon. |
| 23:11.43 | CosmicHippo | there are a lot to pick from, so I'd like to see what people have found useful |
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| 23:11.46 | Chance | stew well i have followed this document http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html |
| 23:11.53 | Azar | stew, a beer break not bad, keep the belly in shape |
| 23:11.55 | rav | stew: a window opens up, saying "error. read /.metadata/.log for details". but the log is not there |
| 23:12.26 | Chance | stew i had a suse system installed before then i just wanted to install debian 3.1 so thats what i did step by step as it is on that site |
| 23:12.30 | Azar | CosmicHippo: iptables is educative and flexible... try to learn it |
| 23:12.33 | Chance | stew i recreated the partitions and so on |
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| 23:12.59 | stew | Azar: i just got back from 40k bike ride, so my belly could use the help :) |
| 23:13.02 | CosmicHippo | Azar, PerfDave: iptables is fine, but this machine needs more security than your everyday workstation |
| 23:13.31 | Jungleland | CosmicHippo: _every_ firewall for modern kernels uses iptables. |
| 23:13.38 | stew | Chance: put the output of "fdisk -l" and the contents of /etc/lilo.conf to a pastebin |
| 23:13.40 | Jungleland | I would recommend shorewall as a wrapper-script. |
| 23:13.49 | Azar | CosmicHippo: I use iptables, downloaded and installed denyhosts, removed telnet and changed the ssh port |
| 23:13.50 | Chance | OK |
| 23:13.53 | CosmicHippo | Jungleland: Ah, thank you. That is what I was getting at |
| 23:13.56 | PerfDave | CosmicHippo: If you need more security, I'd *definitely* use raw iptables rather than an automated, third-party iptables script. |
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| 23:14.06 | stew | CosmicHippo: fwbuilder is a nice tool to help you create a firewall script |
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| 23:14.30 | PerfDave | Changing the ssh port doesn't add much security, but it keeps your logs clean ;) |
| 23:14.31 | CosmicHippo | well, I'll eventually learn the scripting myself. right now I just need more than a few simple rule sets to satisfy the networking guys who freak out about hacker leaks |
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| 23:14.38 | CosmicHippo | but thanks. I'll give shorewall and fwbuilder a try |
| 23:14.50 | PerfDave | CosmicHippo: simple rulesets are the best way to avoid hacking :) |
| 23:14.59 | Azar | I keep an eye more on my "services" than zombies.... |
| 23:15.11 | Chance | stew http://pastebin.com/595430 |
| 23:15.13 | PerfDave | The more complicated your firewall tools, the more chances of things going wrong ;) |
| 23:15.27 | Azar | yes PerfDave indeed |
| 23:15.27 | Chance | and related to lilo i can't find it |
| 23:15.39 | PerfDave | s/tools/rules/ |
| 23:15.42 | PerfDave | 9 |
| 23:15.43 | stew | Chance: well since you don't have an sda5 partition, its no suprise that you cant install your bootloader there |
| 23:15.47 | Azar | CosmicHippo: the simpler you keep the tasks the better view you have |
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| 23:16.04 | Andy298 | where are proftpd users / passwords stored? |
| 23:16.06 | Chance | well that error was because in /etc/fstab was placed sda5 instead of sda2 |
| 23:16.06 | CosmicHippo | nah, you need a script to do the best possible job. for a workstation you just need to restrict certain ports and prevent spoofing, but for a server on a huge network... |
| 23:16.21 | Chance | but still even if i did that way same error |
| 23:16.25 | PerfDave | CosmicHippo: I'm sorry, I totally disagree with that. |
| 23:17.09 | Azar | CosmicHippo: like I said "services" that use ports are to be watched, closing ports blindly the usability of some applications diminish |
| 23:17.12 | CosmicHippo | I'm not an expert, so I'm kind of parrotting what the networking guys told me. I initially said the same thing, PerfDave |
| 23:17.30 | Chance | stew i think what i have did is a total mess :( |
| 23:17.37 | PerfDave | For *any* machine, server or workstation, you need (1) default deny rules, (2) accept for highly secure services with their own logging (ssh, vpn), (3) accept and log for other services if you have to use them, (4) deny and log for common ports |
| 23:17.53 | CosmicHippo | Azar: well, in particular I mean some of the really sensitive ports such as 5800:5901 need to be restricted to only allowed IP's |
| 23:18.04 | CosmicHippo | (5900:5901 being the vnc ports) |
| 23:18.07 | PerfDave | CosmicHippo: I'm not sure that your network guys have clue. |
| 23:18.17 | CosmicHippo | PerfDave: to be honest, I think they're just paranoid |
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| 23:18.36 | PerfDave | CosmicHippo: You can be paranoid *and* clueful. Good network admins are. Paranoid and clueless does more harm than good. |
| 23:18.37 | Azar | CosmicHippo: do you use vnc? |
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| 23:19.01 | PerfDave | Using raw VNC over the network is a sign of incompetence anyway, you should always tunnel it over SSH or VPN. |
| 23:19.07 | CosmicHippo | PerfDave: Well, they aren't clueless. They'd just rather restrict usability in favor of dealing with less security leaks overall |
| 23:19.09 | Azar | best rule of the thumb: eliminate services you do not use, or if you use them restrict access to them |
| 23:19.34 | CosmicHippo | Azar: oh, I definitely know VNC. (and don't worry, I tunnel it, PerfDave ;) |
| 23:19.46 | CosmicHippo | I mean, I use vnc |
| 23:19.47 | CosmicHippo | a lot |
| 23:19.48 | PerfDave | CosmicHippo: they seem clueless if they're telling you that it's better to use a script to generate complex firewall rules, than to handcraft simple firewall rules. |
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| 23:19.52 | Azar | CosmicHippo: I did not say if you know it, I asked if you USE it |
| 23:20.09 | CosmicHippo | Azar: I know. I accidentally wrote "know" instead of "use." it's been a long day... |
| 23:20.11 | Azar | ah then restrict access to it |
| 23:20.14 | Chance | how can i restart the box and to boot again in rescue mod ? |
| 23:20.51 | CosmicHippo | PerfDave: Ah. Let me rephrase: they don't trust the automated script more than they trust me to set up the rules |
| 23:20.53 | Azar | Chance the Debian CD is the rescue: restart, change primary boot to CD in BIOS then start with CD |
| 23:21.05 | CosmicHippo | PerfDave: I mean, they DO trust the script more than they do me. |
| 23:21.18 | Chance | from remote |
| 23:21.18 | PerfDave | CosmicHippo: Then they're clueless :) |
| 23:21.31 | Azar | CosmicHippo: then they are MS brainiacs |
| 23:21.40 | Azar | PerfDave: MS brainwashed the populus |
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| 23:21.46 | PerfDave | Chance: I believe there's a way to boot into a specified lilo stanza on reboot. |
| 23:21.49 | CosmicHippo | PerfDave: Nah. I'm just an unknown at work still |
| 23:21.57 | Chance | how ? |
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| 23:22.09 | PerfDave | Chance: Can't remember, it's been ages since I used lilo. Sorry. |
| 23:22.19 | PerfDave | Chance: Might be "lilo -r" or something, check the manpage. |
| 23:22.34 | coolpix | gn8 |
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| 23:22.57 | PerfDave | CosmicHippo: No, they're clueless. If they're that worried about security, they should hand-inspect the firewall rules you give them, whether you hand-create them or generate them with a script. If they don't trust you to write them, they shouldn't trust you to wield a program to write them for you. If you can do the latter, you can do the former. |
| 23:22.59 | Azar | CosmicHippo: who trust 3rd or unknown party scripts or automated security "programs" is clueless ( like all who trust McAfee or Norton) |
| 23:23.03 | daedalus_ | Gnome users running etch: what has happened to the 'New Terminal' menu item, and how do I get it back? |
| 23:23.14 | CosmicHippo | PerfDave: but anyway, maybe I can avoid using a script. My original question, about only allowing a certain range of IP's... do you know how to get the built-in iprange module with --src-range working? |
| 23:23.32 | PerfDave | CosmicHippo: Not off the top of my head, #iptables might be of use. |
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| 23:23.45 | Azar | CosmicHippo: man iptables |
| 23:24.04 | CosmicHippo | Azar: that's the first thing I did, of course. I'm using it perfectly. |
| 23:24.10 | pingouin | what is the difference between : debian-update-3.1r1-i386-1.iso.torrent and debian-31r1-i386-binary-1.iso.torrent ? the update is ok for an new fresh install ? (to boot on cd also) |
| 23:24.16 | Azar | :) really ? :) |
| 23:24.29 | d4t2ilL4 | hi guys |
| 23:24.39 | PerfDave | pingouin: The update is just the packages that have been updated between 3.1r0 and 3.1r1. I don't think it's an install CD. |
| 23:24.47 | CosmicHippo | "iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -m iprange --src-range x.x.x.y-x.x.x.z -j ACCEPT" |
| 23:24.58 | pingouin | PerfDave: ok thank you very much |
| 23:25.06 | nvz | damn now I know why people lean.. I almost blew my ass cheek off with that one |
| 23:25.13 | Azar | CosmicHippo: if this is not too low level for your expertise: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/securing-debian-HOWTO.html |
| 23:25.27 | PerfDave | pingouin: If you want a small download to start with, you can use the netinstall CD. It can be a false economy though IMHO. |
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| 23:25.45 | d4t2ilL4 | I am installing debian netinst AMD64 on a DELL poweredge SC430, but the install cant detect the SATA drive.... what is a way around this since I don't know the harddisk controller chipset but only the actual mb chipset, intel E7230 |
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| 23:25.53 | pingouin | PerfDave: gonna grab the full iso cd1 R1 |
| 23:25.58 | PerfDave | d4t2ilL4: Ask #debian-amd64 ? :) |
| 23:25.59 | dondelelcaro | lightcap: did you install the ruby that you just built? |
| 23:26.03 | pingouin | PerfDave: thanks for help |
| 23:26.05 | Andy298 | anyone know where the proftpd users / passwords will be stored? |
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| 23:26.09 | d4t2ilL4 | PerfDave, Thanks again :) |
| 23:26.13 | PerfDave | pingouin: If you don't have a 3.1r0a installer, that's probably best ;) |
| 23:26.22 | CosmicHippo | Azar: low-level as in encapsulation or low level as in simple? |
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| 23:26.29 | PerfDave | Andy298: Have you tried looking in /usr/share/doc/proftpd ? |
| 23:26.44 | SerajewelKS | nvz: FYI that one is going to bash |
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| 23:26.49 | lightcap | dondelelcaro: yeah, I just didnt realize it built all the debs in my cwd...so init.d is a little messy now :) |
| 23:27.01 | nvz | SerajewelKS: heh |
| 23:27.14 | Azar | CosmicHippo: I would rather say about that HOWTO as being a small compilation of common-sense advices |
| 23:27.16 | nvz | SerajewelKS: fyi, I leaned this time |
| 23:27.31 | SerajewelKS | nvz: what the hell did you eat, a bean taco? |
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| 23:27.45 | nvz | SerajewelKS: chicken stirfry |
| 23:27.55 | SerajewelKS | nvz: that'll do it |
| 23:28.05 | loggygreg | I will soon use udev; do i have to remove all the device entries or do i have to remove all device but fifo and /dev/console for example |
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| 23:28.24 | d4t2ilL4 | PerfDave, do you know the answer, might aswell give me some clue so i can google it up |
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| 23:28.26 | Ashex | I'm setting up a network install, I'm going to add 'deb http://192.168.1.100/cd1' to the sources.list, and I'm going to extract the debian dvd to that folder |
| 23:28.33 | Ashex | what portion of the dvd needs to be in that folder? |
| 23:28.36 | loggygreg | ? the device are created with MAKEDEV |
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| 23:28.54 | PerfDave | d4t2ilL4: No, sorry. |
| 23:29.14 | PerfDave | Ashex: Use apt-move to build a proper repository? |
| 23:29.26 | CosmicHippo | Azar: Ah. Yeah, HOWTO doesn't have anything I'm not familiar with. I just took PerfDave's advice and went into #iptables (didn't know there was one!). I COULD do it all with a bash script, but frankly that's a really inefficient way of doing it |
| 23:30.11 | Azar | CosmicHippo: iptables firewall is not 100% security shield, you really need to learn more than a firewall |
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| 23:30.25 | Ashex | PerfDave: I'm going to put the sources on a windows computer, would I be able to just mount that partition in vmware and do it in there? |
| 23:30.45 | Azar | CosmicHippo: did you configure your sudo ? |
| 23:31.08 | Azar | CosmicHippo: how about tcpwrappers? hosts.deny? |
| 23:31.38 | PerfDave | Ashex: Sorry, I don't know anything about vmware. You could create the repository with apt-move, copy it to the Windows box and serve it with Apache or whatever, I suspect. |
| 23:31.52 | PerfDave | Ashex: There's probably documentation on hosting your own repository on http://www.debian.org/ |
| 23:32.12 | Ashex | PerfDave: thanks for the info, I'll read into building a repository |
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| 23:32.58 | CosmicHippo | Azar: sudo, yep, hosts.deny, yep, tcpwrappers, not yet. While the machine needs to be secure, there are only a few specific aspects of security I need to worry about, those being the specific vulnerabilities of the machine that have to do with what I'm using it for |
| 23:33.09 | swordlaw | [ chihchun ] can anybody tell me how can I access a NTFS partition under linux? |
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| 23:33.27 | Durin | CosmicHippo: i use ferm as a metalanguage for iptables |
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| 23:33.55 | PerfDave | swordlaw: What do you mean by "access"? You should be able to just mount it like any other partition to read files from it. |
| 23:33.57 | Azar | good luck secure with vnc eh |
| 23:34.23 | evilbulgarian | hi, is it possible to set up 2 svn servers on in the USA and one in India and have them syncronize at a certain time? |
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| 23:34.42 | swordlaw | [ PerfDave ] yes , and I can do that , but I can't with a normal user |
| 23:34.44 | PerfDave | evilbulgarian: Possibly using svk, but I don't know much about Subversion. |
| 23:35.01 | PerfDave | swordlaw: So change the mount options to make the mounted partition accessible by non-root :) |
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| 23:35.35 | evilbulgarian | PerfDave: thanks il look into that |
| 23:35.36 | PerfDave | swordlaw: /msg dpkg user accessible ntfs |
| 23:35.53 | swordlaw | ok |
| 23:36.00 | swordlaw | thanx |
| 23:36.02 | basbryan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:36.44 | nvz | nothing like twisting one up and having a stick going right through it |
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| 23:38.40 | loggygreg | I will soon use udev; do i have to remove all the device entries or do i have to remove all device but fifo and /dev/console for example ? |
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| 23:39.20 | PerfDave | loggygreg: I *believe* you don't have to do anything, udev will just move your existing /dev to /.dev . But I don't use udev, so don't hold me to that :) |
| 23:39.23 | thingfish | hehe nvz it took me a moment... |
| 23:39.36 | thingfish | but nvz, that happens to me way too often. |
| 23:40.16 | loggygreg | PerfDave: tahks for ypir idea anyway |
| 23:40.33 | loggygreg | *your |
| 23:41.57 | JaVaSan | does anyone know where i can find any tutorial talking about how to burn a cd at command line (i.e. using cdrecord and others)? |
| 23:42.10 | PerfDave | JaVaSan: man cdrecord? :) |
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| 23:42.15 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:42.28 | JaVaSan | PerfDave, rsrs... i dot think so rsrs... |
| 23:42.35 | JaVaSan | *dont |
| 23:42.51 | JaVaSan | how to build a .iso and burn with cdrecord... |
| 23:43.04 | streuner | JaVaSan: mkisofs -R -J /somefolder | cdrecord -v driveropts=burnfree dev=0,0,0 - |
| 23:43.39 | JaVaSan | streuner, its all? |
| 23:43.43 | PerfDave | JaVaSan: What does rsrs mean? |
| 23:44.01 | streuner | JaVaSan: well, change 'dev=0,0,0' to your needs |
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| 23:44.45 | JaVaSan | PerfDave, smile.... smiling... |
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| 23:45.05 | JaVaSan | streuner, how can i know what corretc "dev" to use? |
| 23:45.30 | PerfDave | JaVaSan: What's wrong with the manpage? It has examples for using cdrecord and mkisofs. |
| 23:45.36 | kevsthabes1 | is it normal while on ADSL/PPOE that on occasions, the connection drops and reconnects without warning? |
| 23:45.39 | streuner | JaVaSan: users of 2.6.x kernels *should* use ATA string NOT ide_scsi |
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| 23:46.04 | PerfDave | kevsthabes1: I think it's fairly normal. |
| 23:46.08 | streuner | JaVaSan: just read the docs about in /usr/share/doc/cdrecord/* |
| 23:46.26 | JaVaSan | streuner, i will do it... thnks anyway =) |
| 23:46.42 | kevsthabes1 | PerfDave: thanks.. was kinda making me curious as it would disconnect irc and kill azureus completly |
| 23:46.45 | jlamr | can anyone tell me how to copy files from a cd to my debian box? |
| 23:47.03 | PerfDave | jlamr: Mount the CD, use a file browser or cp from the command line. |
| 23:47.04 | swordlaw | [ PerfDave ] i'm changing the permissions from within the NTFS (windows) do I have to set a special user for it, and if that's the case how do I use it under Linux? |
| 23:47.45 | kingsley | jlamr: What PerfDave said, and I prefer cp to a file browser. |
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| 23:47.51 | PerfDave | swordlaw: I'm sorry, I don't know how Linux file permissions interact with NTFS permissions. I suspect it just ignores them, but I don't use NTFS. |
| 23:47.55 | swordlaw | http://whoozoo.co.uk/winxpFilePerms.htm |
| 23:48.06 | jlamr | oh cool didn't think about cp, what do you mean by file browser |
| 23:48.30 | blakkino | :) |
| 23:48.36 | PerfDave | jlamr: A file browser such as Konqueror that will let you drag the files from the CD to somewhere on the hard drive to copy them. |
| 23:48.38 | Azar | ytree, mc |
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| 23:48.52 | blakkino | why /etc/init.d/network start after bind9 or dhcpd?! |
| 23:48.55 | lightcap | what is losetup? I'm trying to grow a User Mode Linux root_fs and the directions are calling for use of losetup? |
| 23:48.59 | jlamr | oh right, I didn't install a gui |
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| 23:49.20 | streuner | blakkino: there are a number of good file-browsers, norton-clones are easy to use and intuitive, just install 'gentoo' or 'mc' |
| 23:49.38 | blakkino | streuner, i don't need a filebrowser |
| 23:49.40 | swordlaw | no it doesn't ignore them....since I jus can't make it run with a normal user even if i chown and chmod it |
| 23:49.45 | Azar | jlamr like streuner said |
| 23:49.52 | blakkino | i'm just asking how to make /etc/init.d/network start before other stuff.. |
| 23:50.01 | blakkino | mhmhm.. also it doesn't appear in /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 23:50.09 | streuner | blakkino: oh wrong nick :-) |
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| 23:50.50 | jlamr | Thanks for your help guys |
| 23:50.52 | PerfDave | jlamr: There are some console-mode file browsers like mc, but if you're happy with cp, that's fine :) |
| 23:50.53 | Azar | jlamr: http://www.ibiblio.org/mc/ read about mc |
| 23:51.00 | jlamr | will do |
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| 23:52.07 | eject_ck | How can make config file for my ethernet card in seprate file (not in /etc/network/interfaces)? |
| 23:52.22 | PerfDave | eject_ck: What are you trying to achieve? |
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| 23:53.29 | Jungleland | any tools to recover a corrupt XFS filesystem? |
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| 23:53.46 | eject_ck | I need write script for adding & removing eth device |
| 23:53.51 | Jungleland | trying to help a friend who has had a bit of bad luck (read: overwritten 1/3 of a volume) |
| 23:54.28 | PerfDave | eject_ck: What are you actually trying to achieve? |
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| 23:55.24 | roadfish | what's a good command-line tool to get a clip of an AVI file? |
| 23:55.37 | eject_ck | need have file for config of my ethernet card not in /etc/network/interfaces (As in RedHat) |
| 23:55.57 | djp | when i run the command lsof | grep /dev/dsp*, i get the message lsof: WARNING: can't stat() ext3 file system /dev/.static/dev. Output information may be incomplete. is this an issue/problem or should i jst ignore it? |
| 23:56.04 | PerfDave | eject_ck: OK, if you're not going to tell me what you're trying to do, I'm not going to be able to help you, sorry. |
| 23:56.04 | eject_ck | then i can simply remove this file or add it to sytemconfig |
| 23:56.27 | Stevie-O | PerfDave: You mean you can't read minds? |
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| 23:56.48 | Stevie-O | PerfDave insmod telepathy.ko range=1AU |
| 23:57.19 | PerfDave | Stevie-O: God, I wouldn't want to read the minds of everybody within 1AU. Frankly, I wouldn't want to read the minds of everybody within 100m, I'm in Stoke on Trent ;) |
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| 23:57.36 | Durin | eject_ck: what about writing the config whereever you want and use 'ifup -i <FILE>' |
| 23:57.46 | alus | I'd like to install python-profiler, but 'apt-get install python-profiler' fails |
| 23:58.02 | alus | it says there are references to the package but it is not available |
| 23:58.11 | alus | do I need to add something to my sources file? |
| 23:58.13 | PerfDave | alus: /msg dpkg search |
| 23:58.32 | eject_ck | ok - I try rewrite drivers install/uninstall scripts for my DVB card - i have it but for RedHat - here for making device you must put u r config into /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-pentanet0 file and for removing device config u must only remove this file |
| 23:59.44 | PerfDave | eject_ck: Right, and you want me to help you? *plonk* |
| 23:59.58 | Stevie-O | PerfDave: psitables -P DROP |
