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| 00:00.19 | PerfDave | Heh, I'll kline eject_ck's psip address *g* |
| 00:00.19 | eject_ck | ^) |
| 00:00.20 | alus | PerfDave: it did not respond |
| 00:00.41 | eject_ck | I ask howto make it easiest way |
| 00:00.48 | SerajewelKS | jjazz: certainly not rainbow, we want something without colors |
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| 00:01.00 | PerfDave | alus: Hmm, it's responding to me... |
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| 00:01.06 | SerajewelKS | jjazz: some kind of color filtering trout! |
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| 00:01.10 | jjazz | SerajewelKS: I like things like nick highlighting. |
| 00:01.25 | alus | oh, I was including a term |
| 00:01.28 | SerajewelKS | jjazz: right, so a clownfish. orange highlighting and white text. except that's not a trout. |
| 00:01.36 | alus | anyway, I already searched- the package does not show up |
| 00:01.56 | PerfDave | alus: Did you search using all the methods that dpkg mentioned? |
| 00:01.56 | alus | ah, adding 'non-free' to my sources lines fixed it |
| 00:02.01 | jjazz | SerajewelKS: Perferably a client that's easy to catch and can be eaten when my session is over. |
| 00:02.24 | SerajewelKS | jjazz: i think we're discovering here that trout don't make good IRC clients |
| 00:02.27 | eject_ck | how cut my card config form /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:02.27 | PerfDave | Eww, non-free *and* pyton? :) |
| 00:02.49 | Stevie-O | use /bin/scissors |
| 00:02.54 | jjazz | eject_ck: What is your native language? |
| 00:02.56 | SerajewelKS | eject_ck: you don't |
| 00:03.09 | eject_ck | russian |
| 00:03.31 | eject_ck | not perfect |
| 00:03.31 | jjazz | eject_ck: You might want to try #debian-russian |
| 00:03.38 | eject_ck | ok thanks |
| 00:03.40 | jjazz | eject_ck: np |
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| 00:05.11 | jlamr | Hey guys. I'm back... how can I tell what drive (path?) my cd is mapped to, or know of a good page I can check out |
| 00:05.40 | SerajewelKS | jlamr: if it's mounted, just type 'mount' |
| 00:05.43 | PerfDave | jlamr: If you've installed Debian 3.1, it should be mountable as /media/cdrom or similar. |
| 00:05.59 | SerajewelKS | jlamr: or 'cat /etc/fstab' and find it |
| 00:06.01 | PerfDave | jlamr: Look in /media and see what looks good, or check /etc/fstab to see what the system has autodetected. |
| 00:06.11 | jlamr | well I the cdrom directory, ls shows nothing |
| 00:06.18 | jlamr | I *see |
| 00:06.28 | SerajewelKS | jlamr: mount /media/cdrom |
| 00:06.47 | PerfDave | jlamr: You have to mount the CD-ROM to the directory before you can access it, as SerajewelKS says |
| 00:07.30 | jlamr | Yes!!! Sucess thanks guys |
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| 00:07.57 | SerajewelKS | jlamr: type 'umount /media/cdrom' before you eject it. on most (all?) modern drives, you cannot even eject it until you unmount it. |
| 00:08.03 | Azar | jlamr: a must read for you: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/user/ch-files.html#s-files-devices |
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| 00:09.39 | jlamr | Yeah I have a hard time locating pages because I'm using windows terms with linux subjects=no good |
| 00:09.47 | foo | Why do I only see 2.6.11-2 and 2.6.15-1 when I apt-cache search ... ? I am on unstable. I want something before 2.6.15 but after 2.6.11 |
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| 00:10.36 | Azar | IBM breaks speed records with new version of file system |
| 00:10.37 | stew | foo: compile it yourself or /msg dpkg sdn |
| 00:10.40 | Telonir | i have the mplayer plugin wich is associated with "mpeg" but not "mpg" how to add "mpg" in the "download action" to assciate it with the plugin? |
| 00:11.00 | foo | stew: Thanks. I'll see if I could grab a .deb |
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| 00:11.46 | Azar | wow: Project Fastball achieved a new speed record of over 102 gigabytes per second of sustained read/write performance to a single file. |
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| 00:14.32 | stew | Azar: sustained for a few miliseconds? :) |
| 00:14.36 | Chance | stew still did not managed to do it |
| 00:14.38 | foo | eject_ck: Uh, is there a reason why you CTCP'd me 5 times? |
| 00:14.55 | stew | Chance: tell me on a high level what you are trying to do? debootstap a remote install? |
| 00:15.07 | Chance | Yes |
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| 00:15.17 | Chance | That is what i am trying to do |
| 00:15.29 | stew | Chance: which partition did you debootstrap to? |
| 00:15.39 | stew | Chance: sda3? |
| 00:15.57 | Chance | i had sda2 as being a swap partition and changed it to a Linux one |
| 00:16.00 | Chance | and did on it |
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| 00:16.26 | blakk|no | mhmh |
| 00:16.28 | blakk|no | my last question :) |
| 00:16.34 | stew | Chance: ok, it seemed like your lilo.conf though you had bootstrapped /dev/sda5 not sda2 |
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| 00:16.39 | blakk|no | someone know why iptables -j CLASSIFY doesn't work on debian default kernel/iptables? |
| 00:16.44 | stew | Chance: did you ever post your /etc/lilo.conf to a pastebin? |
| 00:16.51 | Chance | there is no lilo.conf |
| 00:16.57 | Chance | so nothing to paste but to mention that |
| 00:17.11 | stew | Chance: in the chroot |
| 00:17.12 | syscrash2k | is there an evdev package for debian's xorg? i can't seem to find it. |
| 00:17.31 | blakk|no | # iptables -t mangle -A POSTROUTING -j CLASSIFY --set-class 1:3 iptables: No chain/target/match by that name |
| 00:17.36 | blakk|no | :( |
| 00:17.40 | Chance | stew no lilo there |
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| 00:17.44 | streuner | syscrash2k: /msg dpkg search |
| 00:17.50 | Chance | stew how can i restart the box and to boot up again in rescue mod ? and start all over again ? |
| 00:18.01 | syscrash2k | ah there we do, i need to have experimental set up in my sources |
| 00:18.03 | streuner | syscrash2k: but what package you are talking exactly? |
| 00:18.06 | basbryan | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:18.38 | syscrash2k | streuner: xserver-xorg-input-evdev, i believe i found itr |
| 00:18.47 | streuner | syscrash2k: no, you don't need experimental packages, only if you want to crash your system |
| 00:18.56 | Azar | why sort does not give any results? |
| 00:18.58 | stew | Chance: is there a reason you are trying to use grub and not lilo? |
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| 00:19.12 | Chance | No reason |
| 00:19.24 | streuner | !info xserver-xorg-input-evdev experimental |
| 00:19.26 | dpkg | xserver-xorg-input-evdev: (X.Org X server -- evdev input driver), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:1.0.0.5-1 (experimental), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 60 kB |
| 00:19.33 | syscrash2k | streuner: i never said i didn't! |
| 00:19.39 | streuner | !info xserver-xorg-input-evdev sid |
| 00:19.42 | Azar | !sort |
| 00:19.54 | Azar | dpkg is sick again |
| 00:20.19 | streuner | syscrash2k: packages in experimental made prolly for 7.0 |
| 00:20.22 | Chance | stew i just want to make it run that's all i want have been dealing with this issue all day long and i am kind of disperate right now, so yes i might sound strange |
| 00:20.31 | streuner | syscrash2k: unstable has 6.9 actually... |
| 00:21.27 | syscrash2k | streuner: i will install 7.0 if i have to |
| 00:21.30 | Azar | wow that is so cool |
| 00:21.36 | stew | Chance: i'd recommend that you chroot to your debian root, then apt-get install grub lilo- ; then make sure /etc/kernel-img.conf contains "postinst_hook=/sbin/update-grub" and "postrm_hook=/sbin/update-grub", then run update-grub and install-grub /dev/sda |
| 00:22.18 | Chance | but before doing that is there a way i reboot the box and to boot back in rescue mod ? |
| 00:22.23 | stew | Chance: uhh but before you run install-grub, i'd recommen apt-gettting the kernel again |
| 00:22.25 | streuner | syscrash2k: well, read changelog about then, in doubt just ask the maintainer of the package |
| 00:22.40 | stew | Chance: in redhat or suse or whatever? |
| 00:22.49 | Chance | IT'S A SUSE AT THE MOMENT |
| 00:22.52 | Chance | sory caps |
| 00:23.03 | foo | stew: I added deb http://snapshot.debian.net/archive pool kernel-source-2.6.11, deb-src http://snapshot.debian.net/archive pool kernel-source-2.6.11, deb http://snapshot.debian.net/archive pool kernel-image-2.6.11-i386, and deb-src http://snapshot.debian.net/archive pool kernel-image-2.6.11-i386 to my sources.list ... then apt-get update.. and I try to install those files but it doesn't find them. hmm, did I do something wrong? |
| 00:23.16 | syscrash2k | streuner: will do |
| 00:23.18 | syscrash2k | streuner: thanks |
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| 00:23.49 | stew | Chance: i dunno, using grub? if so maybe you have a grub-reboot to boot into a rescue mode? i'm not sure i even know what you mean by rescue mode, or why you would want to |
| 00:23.55 | stew | Chance: especially on a remote box |
| 00:24.00 | Chance | stew wait forgot it's a debian version at the moment |
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| 00:24.18 | streuner | syscrash2k: it seems 'gravity' isn't here at the moment... |
| 00:24.31 | Chance | stew 3.1 x86_64 |
| 00:24.34 | stew | foo: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6.11 |
| 00:24.48 | syscrash2k | streuner: i see. |
| 00:25.04 | stew | Chance: you are not sure if the bus is running suse or debian? |
| 00:25.19 | streuner | !seen gravity |
| 00:25.20 | dpkg | gravity <~david@pool-141-157-184-73.bos.east.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian-women, 19h 39m 47s ago, saying: 'hahaha'. |
| 00:25.26 | Chance | stew no it's just that had a suse before and forgot they put up debian |
| 00:25.28 | orchid | what is the command to read a debian bug from the cli just passing it the bug number? |
| 00:26.07 | stew | Chance: wait, if its already running debian, why are you bothering with debootstrap at all? |
| 00:26.19 | stew | orchid: querybts? |
| 00:26.26 | Azar | last night I offered a link to Linux Audio Compairson article anyone else wants it? |
| 00:26.33 | orchid | stew: ahh thats it |
| 00:27.05 | Chance | stew because the partitions were done wrong and because current installed version was messed up |
| 00:27.26 | Chance | and another reson is because an idiot did fdisk and deleted all existing partitions |
| 00:27.56 | Chance | and i called the datacenter and they booted the box up in rescue mode |
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| 00:35.16 | foo | err, this is really bugging me. The 2.6.15 kernel won't work with VMware. I was told to try another. I am trying 2.6.11-1-686 right now and when I try to startx I get an error. EE: Cannot open device /dev/psaux EE Configured Mouse: cannot open input device EE PreInit failed for input device "Configured Mouse" ... why the heck would a kernel change this? Hmm. |
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| 00:35.58 | PerfDave | !/dev/input/mice |
| 00:35.58 | dpkg | from memory, /dev/input/mice is mkdir /dev/input; mknod /dev/input/mice c 13 63 |
| 00:36.05 | PerfDave | Hmm, not what I wanted, nevermind. |
| 00:36.10 | PerfDave | foo: Try /dev/input/mice ? |
| 00:36.22 | foo | PerfDave: bah, I'll try that. Just don't know why a new kernel would change this |
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| 00:37.14 | PerfDave | foo: *shrug* Welcome to 2.6 ;) |
| 00:37.15 | foo | PerfDave: Yeah, that threw the same error. Eh. I think this is a bug. |
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| 00:37.21 | foo | PerfDave: I don't get it? |
| 00:37.23 | juegos | bjbjgb |
| 00:37.27 | juegos | f |
| 00:37.29 | juegos | sd |
| 00:37.31 | juegos | d |
| 00:37.32 | foo | !jb juegos |
| 00:37.33 | juegos | d |
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| 00:37.44 | foo | juegos: Go away. |
| 00:37.57 | juegos | in espa;is |
| 00:38.21 | nicolasv | Hey... I am going mad, if user U belongs to group G and a directory has g+w permissions, U should be able to rm files in the directory right ? |
| 00:38.40 | PerfDave | !kernel of instability |
| 00:38.40 | dpkg | Linux 2.6. "Andrew's vision, as expressed at the summit, is that the mainline kernel will be the fastest and most feature-rich kernel around, but not, necessarily, the most stable. Final stabilization is to be done by distributors (as happens now, really)..." <http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3513>, or http://kerneltrap.org/node/4793 (new 2.6 numbering scheme - proposal) |
| 00:38.45 | juegos | jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj |
| 00:39.08 | foo | Wow. Heh. |
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| 00:39.24 | gentgeen__ | kill -9 juegos |
| 00:39.33 | foo | gentgeen__: heh. Really |
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| 00:39.46 | dooglus | -bash: kill: juegos: arguments must be process or job ID |
| 00:39.53 | foo | haha. |
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| 00:40.17 | gentgeen__ | correction -- pkill -u juegos |
| 00:40.20 | gentgeen__ | hows that? |
| 00:40.28 | dooglus | missing apostrophe :P |
| 00:41.23 | gentgeen__ | $BASHNAZI = dooglus |
| 00:41.27 | gentgeen__ | :P |
| 00:41.53 | dooglus | gentgeen__: you don't need the $ when assigning, and whitespace around the '=' isn't allowed :) |
| 00:42.34 | gentgeen__ | <GRIN> |
| 00:42.47 | gentgeen__ | Man, it is REALLY slow here today isn't it |
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| 00:43.21 | Ashex | how do I uninstall KWifiManager? |
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| 00:43.37 | PerfDave | Ashex: Same as you uninstall any other package? |
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| 00:43.56 | foo | Anyway to get a 2.6.13 kernel for debian? |
| 00:43.57 | gentgeen__ | Friday night, almost 8 - and this is the most exciting thing on my schedule... 'cept maybe wrestling with the kids when it is bed time |
| 00:44.06 | Ashex | it's preinstalled, and it's not in apt-get... |
| 00:44.10 | gentgeen__ | Ahhhh, the joys of fatherhood/geekdom |
| 00:44.31 | phogg | foo: get the sources, build it, make-kpkg |
| 00:44.41 | PerfDave | Ashex: Which version of Debian are you using? |
| 00:44.42 | foo | phogg: Ah, alright. There is no preconfigured one out there? |
| 00:44.52 | foo | phogg: I mean, an image already out there. |
| 00:45.07 | phogg | foo: I can't say there isn't one, but I don't see one in sid. |
| 00:45.25 | runedude | hey all. im having issues with debian, probably like always.. anyways.. i have a harddrive that is running in knoppix right now that is read/write and i can access everything alright, but when i load up debian it has a bunch of journal errors and such.. any ideas? |
| 00:45.30 | foo | phogg: Do I grab debian source with a .config, or from kernels.org ? I think. |
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| 00:45.48 | Ashex | PerfDave: 31r1a |
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| 00:45.55 | phogg | foo: you can do it any way you like. Starting witha debian .config might not be a bad idea. |
| 00:45.58 | PerfDave | Ashex: You're sure you're not running Ubuntu or something? |
| 00:46.01 | Ashex | er, 3.1 rev1 |
| 00:46.04 | runedude | foo: kernels.org and grab the latest bz2 of it, and just compile it per usual. |
| 00:46.06 | Ashex | PerfDave: I'm positive |
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| 00:46.31 | PerfDave | Ashex: Well, kwifimanager is in my package repositories, and I don't know how you managed to get it "preinstalled". |
| 00:46.32 | phogg | Ashex: kwifimanager is in sarge |
| 00:46.33 | dooglus | what's with the "this is NOT #ubuntu" in the topic? do people often confuse this with #ubuntu? |
| 00:46.53 | PerfDave | dooglus: Very frequently. |
| 00:47.03 | phogg | dooglus: no, but Ubuntu users think they can get support for Ubuntu here. |
| 00:47.06 | PerfDave | Hmm, OK, kwifimanager *is* a dependency of the kde lardtask, my bad. |
| 00:47.08 | Ashex | PerfDave: I mean I chose a preset package for Debian to install, the desktop set |
| 00:47.24 | PerfDave | Ashex: Well, you can remove the package with apt-get. |
| 00:47.33 | dooglus | phogg: that seems very strange. there's #ubuntu which is full of several hundred ubuntu users offering support. why would people come here? |
| 00:47.40 | dooglus | (for ubuntu support, I mean) |
| 00:47.47 | phogg | dooglus: beats the hell out of me. It's not like we're nice. |
| 00:47.56 | dooglus | phogg: lol |
| 00:48.02 | PerfDave | dooglus: #ubuntu seems to be not very good at fixing Ubuntu problems, at least according to the Ubuntu users who come to #debian for support. |
| 00:48.04 | Ashex | PerfDave: I figured it out, you know of any other wireless tools in KDE? |
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| 00:48.12 | Ashex | yeah, #ubuntu sucks |
| 00:48.14 | PerfDave | Ashex: I'm sure you can search for them. |
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| 00:48.44 | adamm | This might be a stupid question, but how do I build a debian kernel (the .debs)? I got debian patches sources, but there seems no documentation how to build it... BTW: sid with 2.6.15 kernel. |
| 00:48.52 | dooglus | #ubuntu is pretty good for newbie problems, but not so good for problems which require deeper understanding of anything in my experience. |
| 00:48.59 | runedude | well i'd imagine that most ubuntu users are kind of "new" to linux, since it is one of the easiests and friendliest distributions ever |
| 00:48.59 | streuner | adamm: /msg dpkg kp |
| 00:49.24 | adamm | right. thanks |
| 00:49.47 | phogg | runedude: ignorance is no excuse. |
| 00:49.49 | PerfDave | runedude: Most Ubuntu users are new to Linux since it's the most overhyped distribution ever *g* |
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| 00:49.56 | runedude | PerfDave: aye.. |
| 00:49.56 | streuner | adamm: read newbiedoc.sf.net (KERNEL-HOWTO) |
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| 00:49.59 | dooglus | runedude: why are you here rather than in #ubuntu? |
| 00:50.02 | J_P | hi all |
| 00:50.04 | Ashex | PerfDave: what would I use for the search keyword? |
| 00:50.08 | runedude | dooglus: because i run debain :) |
| 00:50.14 | dooglus | runedude: right, but why? |
| 00:50.17 | runedude | debian* |
| 00:50.17 | phogg | PerfDave: don't knock it. Sooner or later they'll realze what they're missing and switch to Debian. |
| 00:50.25 | runedude | because ubuntu had sucky mirrors at the time ;) |
| 00:50.29 | dooglus | (if this is the wrong place to ask that, please suggest somewhere more appropriatE) |
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| 00:50.55 | runedude | and because i wanted to use debian... more support from what i've noticed, and alot more packages |
| 00:50.56 | PerfDave | phogg: #debian has a pretty good record for converting Ubuntu users to Debian, normally by saying "look at all the people getting support here! You could be one too if you install Debian!" |
| 00:51.05 | J_P | hey, I use debian woth djbdns build from djb-installer debian package.. I like clena my dns cache, anyone know how do this in djbdns ? |
| 00:51.09 | dooglus | phogg: I've used ubuntu for the last year or so, and installed debian yesterday. so maybe I'm one of the people to who you refer. :) |
| 00:51.15 | Stevie-O | if I've got a long-running process piped to 'less' |
| 00:51.17 | adamm | streuner: the /msg dpkg kp is enough. I didn't build Linux kernel => .deb for a very long time. Last time it was using kbuild or something similar. Anyway, thanks. |
| 00:51.37 | Stevie-O | and I do a search that needs to wait for output from that process |
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| 00:51.45 | phogg | dooglus: Oh I hope so. I have no idea if ubuntu users ever switch, I just sort of expect that everyone will sooner or later. |
| 00:51.46 | Stevie-O | is there any way to recapture less' attention? |
| 00:51.48 | runedude | anyone know what could be wrong.. my harddrive works fine in knoppix but when i boot debian up as usual it gives me alot of journal errors |
| 00:51.57 | PerfDave | Stevie-O: What do you mean by "recapture less' attention"? |
| 00:52.04 | foo | I'm getting this when trying to startx on 2.6.15 kernel. It was JUST working. I literally restarted into 2.6.11 and got back in and it is not working anymore. xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open /dev/psaux ... any ideas? It's not /dev/input/mouse |
| 00:52.06 | PerfDave | runedude: What's the filesystem? |
| 00:52.14 | dooglus | phogg: I'm not sure if I'll switch yet - I'm trying debian out for a while. I've kept ubuntu on other partitions. |
| 00:52.19 | phogg | Stevie-O: I don't think so, no. |
| 00:52.24 | fas3r | nobody know what is it a RDS server ?? |
| 00:52.32 | runedude | PerfDave: ext3 |
| 00:52.33 | PerfDave | Ashex: "kde wifi" or "kde wireless" or "kde 802.11" or something? |
| 00:52.40 | PerfDave | runedude: Is knoppix mounting it as ext2? |
| 00:52.44 | runedude | no |
| 00:52.45 | phogg | fas3r: dict rds, maybe you'll get lucky |
| 00:52.47 | dooglus | phogg: I'm wondering why I should switch - if there's a compelling reason to use debian rather than ubuntu. from what I can see at the moment they look very similar indeed. |
| 00:52.55 | PerfDave | runedude: What errors are you getting? |
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| 00:53.04 | fas3r | phogg, what ? |
| 00:53.05 | runedude | PerfDave: well, stuff like "journal aborted" over and over |
| 00:53.07 | PerfDave | dooglus: Debian has a kickass IRC channel *g* |
| 00:53.17 | foo | !devpsaux |
| 00:53.21 | PerfDave | runedude: "stuff like"? Paste exact errors into a pastebot, and try googling for them. |
| 00:53.29 | phogg | dooglus: stability, primarily. That and Debian has a good history of not doing shady things and only releasing stuff that not only works but works the right way. |
| 00:53.45 | runedude | PerfDave: the only error im getting is a journal error |
| 00:54.00 | bucky | fas3r: Remote Development Services - ColdFusion Server |
| 00:54.03 | dooglus | phogg: my main reason for looking for an alternative to ubuntu was the difficulty I was having getting patches accepted in ubuntu |
| 00:54.08 | phogg | fas3r: use dict. Look up RDS. The magic acronym finder will resolve it into things. If one sounds right, you just got lucky. |
| 00:54.09 | PerfDave | runedude: What is the *exact* error message? When does it happen? Have you tried googling for that error message? |
| 00:54.19 | runedude | no, i havent tried googling.. |
| 00:54.21 | runedude | let me find it, brb... |
| 00:54.25 | dooglus | phogg: stuff which is broken seems to stay broken, when it has already been fixed in debian. |
| 00:54.26 | dvs | !lart runedude |
| 00:54.31 | PerfDave | runedude: It's always worth googling before you ask on IRC. |
| 00:54.35 | fas3r | oki thank phogg |
| 00:54.42 | runedude | EXT3-fs error (device ide0(3,1)) in ext3_setattr: Journal has aborted |
| 00:54.50 | fas3r | it's for just for web server no ? |
| 00:55.01 | runedude | EXT3-fs error (device ide0(3,1)) in start_transaction: Journal has aborted |
| 00:55.02 | runedude | that too |
| 00:55.09 | runedude | i get them over and over. |
| 00:55.15 | PerfDave | runedude: Google for them :) |
| 00:55.17 | phogg | fas3r: you *can* get to dict from dict.org, but real men use dict(1). |
| 00:55.20 | dooglus | phogg: I'm surprised to not find the newest GNOME stuff in sid - the 2.13 versions. can I get that somewhere? |
| 00:55.21 | runedude | okay. |
| 00:55.32 | phogg | dooglus: probably. try apt-get.org |
| 00:55.53 | phogg | dooglus: or maybe experimental. |
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| 00:56.26 | phogg | I'm always shocked how many people ask for help on questions that google answers very, very easily. |
| 00:56.30 | dooglus | phogg: I'm used to not using repositories from all over the place with ubuntu - I just use archive.ubuntu.org and find everything there. with debian should I expect to have to have lots of lines in my sources.list? |
| 00:56.44 | phogg | dooglus: No! |
| 00:56.50 | tjb891 | ok, im using the net install, can anyone please tell me what command to type into the base system after it installs to download more packages? |
| 00:57.03 | Ashex | Criminy, what's the default kernel path? |
| 00:57.11 | PerfDave | tjb891: Have you read the Installation Guide or any other Debian documentation? |
| 00:57.17 | tjb891 | yes |
| 00:57.27 | phogg | dooglus: But if you want/need something specific that Debian does not package then sometimes you might add another source, at least for a while. |
| 00:57.28 | dooglus | phogg: I had to add some weird ftp site just to get mplayer, and some other site to get blackdown java - not you're suggesting apt-get.org for gnome 2.13... |
| 00:57.28 | dvs | yeah right |
| 00:57.47 | PerfDave | tjb891: And what does that documentation say about how to install more packages onto a Debian system? |
| 00:57.53 | tjb891 | their is very little on the net install online |
| 00:57.54 | streuner | tjb891: apt-get instal x-window-system fluxbox gkrellm whois gdeskcal |
| 00:58.04 | phogg | dooglus: apt-get.org is a clearinghouse for repositories. Blackdown java and mplayer have legal issues, so for those you must add extra repositories. |
| 00:58.10 | PerfDave | tjb891: The net install is the same as any other installation. |
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| 00:58.36 | streuner | tjb891: apt-get install mc mozilla-firefox |
| 00:58.56 | PerfDave | Blackdown Java is not DSFG-compliant, mplayer is Free Software but patent encumbered (hence illegal in the US and some other jurisdictions). |
| 00:59.18 | tjb891 | but i tell it to downlaod a destop system and it gives me just the base sytem, i know in SUSE you use yast2 as a command, is their anything like that in debain |
| 00:59.20 | phogg | dooglus: but do not get the impression that it is standard practice to add a ton of sources. Mostly you add only a few long term, such as blackdown. |
| 00:59.43 | streuner | tjb891: there was/is tasksel |
| 00:59.50 | PerfDave | tjb891: What makes you think it didn't download the desktop system? |
| 00:59.50 | dvs | tjb891: aptitude |
| 01:00.02 | tjb891 | ok, and is that on the net isntall cd |
| 01:00.10 | streuner | tjb891: no |
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| 01:00.17 | PerfDave | tjb891: Yes, it's the program you already ran to install the Desktop Environment task. |
| 01:00.21 | dooglus | phogg: if I add a source short term, install from it, then remove it, I won't get updates for that package ever, right? so it's not safe to add sources short-term |
| 01:00.33 | PerfDave | tjb891: I'm sure this is documented in the Installation Guide. I don't think you've read it. |
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| 01:00.47 | tjb891 | il read it again |
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| 01:01.06 | PerfDave | tjb891: What makes you think that you haven't downloaded the packages for the Desktop Environment task? |
| 01:01.32 | tjb891 | it only downlaod about 5 mb of info then only will show the base kernel |
| 01:01.47 | tjb891 | from the internet that is |
| 01:01.56 | PerfDave | tjb891: I suspect you didn't use the tasksel program correctly in that case, but you can run it again. |
| 01:01.56 | phogg | dooglus: not if you need updates. But most things you want *now* get into debian sooner or later, and then you don't want the third party source |
| 01:02.02 | priscila | tjb891: man tasksel |
| 01:02.14 | tjb891 | ok thankyou |
| 01:02.23 | PerfDave | tjb891: Be warned that the Desktop Environment task contains huge quantities of packages, you might be better off installing a particular window manager by hand. |
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| 01:02.29 | dooglus | phogg: I was reading archives of debian-devel or whatever it's called. I'm not sure what to make of it. |
| 01:02.34 | PerfDave | phogg: More usually sooner than later :) |
| 01:02.47 | dooglus | phogg: it seems things get discussed to death on there. |
| 01:02.51 | PerfDave | dooglus: Paper aeroplanes are good things to make from debian-devel postings :) |
| 01:03.03 | phogg | PerfDave: except for weird and experimental stuff, or not really released stuff like e17. |
| 01:03.07 | dos000 | is there a grub self proclaimed expert in the house ??? i am having so much fun with grub and a simple raid1 array on sarge |
| 01:03.17 | PerfDave | dos000: #grub ? |
| 01:03.18 | phogg | dooglus: try debian-legal sometimes |
| 01:03.25 | dooglus | phogg: no thanks :) |
| 01:03.30 | dos000 | PerfDave, thanks |
| 01:03.36 | dondelelcaro | -legal isn't all that bad |
| 01:04.15 | dos000 | BTW is there a place i can take a look at the sarge installer source. i would like to see how they make it work. |
| 01:04.26 | dondelelcaro | !+d-i |
| 01:04.26 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 01:04.32 | Hessophanes | Hi all... is there a special channel for discussion about experimental packages, or is this the right place to ask? |
| 01:04.52 | streuner | !experimental |
| 01:04.52 | adamm | dooglus: It seems that these days every "sub"-project group like kernel or java or whatever has their own mailing list so -devel doesn't get too much useful stuff anymore... |
| 01:04.52 | dpkg | experimental is the bloody edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference |
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| 01:05.02 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: d-i is also d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. |
| 01:05.02 | dpkg | is also d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i., you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 01:05.21 | PerfDave | *g* |
| 01:05.24 | dw | hey, is there any command line interface to http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl? |
| 01:05.30 | dw | i find myself using it quite a lot |
| 01:05.35 | PerfDave | dw: apt-file |
| 01:05.41 | dw | thankoo :) |
| 01:06.01 | streuner | dondelelcaro: it seem something don't want to get more 256 chars and just say NO... |
| 01:06.16 | dondelelcaro | streuner: no, it's the d-i command that is screwing it. I've already changed it. |
| 01:06.22 | dondelelcaro | !+d-i |
| 01:06.22 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. |
| 01:06.39 | foo | If I install a kernel image via apt-get, should it also install the modules for that? |
| 01:06.50 | dondelelcaro | foo: the kernel comes with the modules |
| 01:06.55 | PerfDave | foo: It will install many many modules. Which module did you have in mind? |
| 01:07.09 | PerfDave | foo: It won't automatically compile out-of-tree modules such as nvidia. |
| 01:07.22 | foo | psmouse |
| 01:07.23 | dooglus | PerfDave: I tried using apt-file recently. It wouldn't work because it tries to use 'curl' to download the data it needs, but I don't have 'curl'. Is it worth raising a bug saying that apt-file needs to depend on curl? |
| 01:07.40 | PerfDave | dooglus: That sounds bugworthy, if it's not already reported. |
| 01:07.41 | phogg | foo: that comes with the kernel |
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| 01:08.40 | dooglus | PerfDave: I keep coming across little annoyances like this that I reported in ubuntu a year ago, and which got fixed, but haven't made their way into debian. I thought the ubuntu guys were supposed to feed their patches back into debian? |
| 01:08.48 | dooglus | does that not happen in reality? |
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| 01:09.04 | PerfDave | foo: You can always look at the contents of the kernel-image packages on packages.debian.org, though that won't tell you about compiled-in rather than modular drivers. |
| 01:09.15 | dos000 | dondelelcaro, i was looking for online access to the sarge installer code only. i am getting a link for the whole cd. is that the only place ? |
| 01:09.35 | PerfDave | dooglus: Debian devs say that Ubuntu devs don't submit patches, or don't submit appropriate packages (minimal changesets that don't b0rk the Debian packages), Ubuntu devs say that Debian devs ignore the patches they send. |
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| 01:11.48 | Mr0bvious | /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/init/xserverrc doesn't exist, so it can't run. |
| 01:11.54 | Mr0bvious | Referring to X. |
| 01:11.55 | uoeh | I went from Debian 3.0r0 to testing |
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| 01:12.11 | PerfDave | uoeh: You went from woody to etch? |
| 01:12.13 | uoeh | using dist-upgrade in the process I had to remove sysvinit and e2fsprog |
| 01:12.19 | SJr | Yeah sorry |
| 01:12.24 | dooglus | phogg: you suggested trying "experimental" for GNOME 2.13. Is it the case that I would have to replace "sid" with "experimental" in sources.list and do a dist-upgrade? Or can I mix and match packages, some from sid and some from experimental? |
| 01:12.26 | Mr0bvious | Anyone got any ideas? |
| 01:12.32 | PerfDave | SJr: OK, did you go via 3.1 / sarge? |
| 01:12.35 | SJrX | nope |
| 01:12.41 | phogg | dooglus: I would not recommend doing either. |
| 01:12.55 | PerfDave | SJrX: Did you read the 3.1 release notes about dist-upgrading from 3.0? |
| 01:12.56 | SJrX | I just switched my sources.list to testing |
| 01:12.59 | SJrX | nope |
| 01:13.01 | phogg | dooglus: experimental is not safe. But if you really want something and understand the risk... |
| 01:13.02 | Ashex | pop quiz! |
| 01:13.02 | SJrX | :P |
| 01:13.09 | Ashex | unpack a tar.bz2! |
| 01:13.10 | dooglus | phogg: so what did you mean when you recommended "try experimental"? |
| 01:13.11 | SJrX | where are these realease notes? |
| 01:13.13 | PerfDave | SJrX: That was probably a less thang ood idea. |
| 01:13.16 | phogg | dooglus: to answer your question: No, no need to take sid out. |
| 01:13.31 | dos000 | anyone isnt there a subversion or cvs of where one can access the debian sarge installer or is this inexistent ? |
| 01:13.42 | PerfDave | Mr0bvious: What are you trying to do exactly, what error are you bign given, which version of Debian are you running? |
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| 01:14.14 | Mr0bvious | Sarge w\ 2.4 kernel, and I'm running the command startx but it won't work. |
| 01:14.23 | phogg | dooglus: I meant that I think it's possible you may find newer GNOME packages in experimental. |
| 01:14.26 | Mr0bvious | I goofed and forgot to select Desktop Enviroment on installing (new install) |
| 01:14.35 | adamm | SJrX: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/releasenotes |
| 01:14.38 | tux | hi all |
| 01:14.41 | PerfDave | Mr0bvious: What do you mean by "it won't work"? |
| 01:14.51 | Mr0bvious | It gives an error saying that file doesn't exist |
| 01:14.52 | PerfDave | SJrX: The release notes are linked to from the front page of the Debian website. |
| 01:14.57 | Mr0bvious | /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/init/xserverrc BTW |
| 01:15.20 | PerfDave | Mr0bvious: OK, what window manager do you want to end up with? KDE, Gnome or something else? |
| 01:15.22 | adamm | SJrX: There is no upgrade path from 3.0 to Etch. When you upgrade, you have to upgrade in single increments. |
| 01:15.24 | dooglus | phogg: OK, I see. I've been told in the past that I shouldn't mix ubuntu "breezy" with ubuntu "dapper" - I have to chose one or the other. I was assuming it would be the same with "sid" and "experimental", but it's not, right? they're both built against the same libs? |
| 01:15.34 | Mr0bvious | KDE is fine. |
| 01:15.41 | SJrX | adamm hmmmm well I'm not sure if I went to etch |
| 01:15.47 | SJrX | I just went to testing |
| 01:15.49 | beardy | Mr0bvious: !install x |
| 01:15.50 | SJrX | in 3.0 |
| 01:15.50 | PerfDave | Mr0bvious: "apt-get install x-window-system-core kdm kdebase" will probably be fine for you. |
| 01:15.51 | adamm | SJrX: testing is etch |
| 01:15.55 | SJrX | oh okay |
| 01:15.55 | beardy | bah |
| 01:15.57 | PerfDave | SJrX: Etch *is* testing currently. /msg dpkg releases. |
| 01:15.59 | beardy | !install x |
| 01:15.59 | dpkg | [install xf4] apt-get install read-edid mdetect discover; apt-get install x-window-system-core (plus whatever window manager you like, etc.), or ask me about "set up x", or "configure xf4" |
| 01:16.01 | beardy | !install kde |
| 01:16.01 | dpkg | install kde is probably In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 01:16.12 | SJrX | PerfDave okay I don't see anything in this http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/i386/release-notes/ap-old-stuff.en.html#s-old-upgrade |
| 01:16.12 | phogg | dooglus: that's more akin to mixing woody and sarge, which has some problems |
| 01:16.18 | SJrX | that is critical |
| 01:16.35 | Mr0bvious | PerfDave: Ok it's gonna download 55MB. |
| 01:16.39 | dooglus | phogg: woody == sarge-1? |
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| 01:16.42 | PerfDave | phogg: Or mixing sarge and etch :) |
| 01:16.42 | SJrX | okay |
| 01:16.51 | SJrX | In any case the system is fine but loadkeys can't be found |
| 01:16.55 | SJrX | and I don't know what package its in |
| 01:16.59 | SJrX | I've tried searching |
| 01:17.02 | SJrX | apt-cache search |
| 01:17.05 | phogg | dooglus: woody is Debian 3.0, sarge is 3.1. http://www.us.debian.org/releases/ |
| 01:17.07 | SJrX | with various terms |
| 01:17.15 | Mr0bvious | I just am trying Debian and ain't that used to it. I come from Mandriva, where I'm used to urpmi. |
| 01:17.21 | PerfDave | SJrX: The aptitude bit is important, it can break stuff. |
| 01:18.10 | PerfDave | Mr0bvious: The Desktop Environment task installs X, KDE, Gnome and all the bells and whistles. The command I gave you will install three packages - x-window-system-core, which depends on the essential bits to get X running, kdebase, which contains the basics for a KDE desktop, and kdm, the KDE Display Manager for logins. |
| 01:18.38 | PerfDave | Mr0bvious: apt-get will install those packages, and all the packages that they have as dependencies, completely automatically. It will fetch them from the Debian repositories you specified during install. |
| 01:18.50 | Mr0bvious | PerfDave: Yeah. I'm familiar with the process. |
| 01:18.54 | Mr0bvious | PerfDave: Just it's different lol. |
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| 01:18.59 | SJrX | Hmmmm well aptitute is listed as aptitude 4.1 |
| 01:19.00 | SJrX | Perfdave |
| 01:19.08 | PerfDave | SJrX: It's a bit late now. |
| 01:19.12 | dooglus | Mr0bvious: I haven't used mandrake for over a year, but I still use "urpmi" to install packages - it's a habit I just can't break |
| 01:19.20 | SJrX | I don't actually see what the problem is |
| 01:19.23 | dooglus | urpmi is aliased to `sudo apt-get install' |
| 01:19.32 | SJrX | What problems could I have run into |
| 01:19.34 | PerfDave | Mr0bvious: It will configure the packages for you, prompting you for any questions, set up kdm to run automatically at login etc. |
| 01:19.39 | bpuzon | how to make xfs to serve iso-8859-2 fonts as defaults? |
| 01:19.43 | SJrX | I had to remove sysvinit and e2fsprogs to upgrade |
| 01:19.45 | dooglus | urpmq is aliased to `apt-cache search' |
| 01:19.47 | dooglus | (and so on) |
| 01:19.48 | SJrX | and then I couldn't reinstal anything |
| 01:19.51 | SJrX | but I fixed that |
| 01:19.56 | SJrX | but just copying a file back. |
| 01:19.56 | Mr0bvious | It's doing that now. |
| 01:20.02 | SJrX | Other than that, I seem to fine |
| 01:20.07 | SJrX | except I can't figure out where loadkeys is. |
| 01:20.15 | PerfDave | SJrX: "apt-get dist-upgrade" gets in a loop if you have more than a certain number of packages installed, which can leave you with a totally broken system. "aptitude dist-upgrade" doesn't. |
| 01:20.16 | curt | !tell SJrX -about enter |
| 01:20.19 | PerfDave | SJrX: /msg dpkg search |
| 01:20.30 | SJrX | PerfDave oh yeah |
| 01:20.32 | SJrX | I already hit that |
| 01:20.40 | curt | SJrX, dpkg -L <filenamew> |
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| 01:20.46 | adamm | SJrX: try console-tools |
| 01:20.50 | SJrX | lol nice, curt. |
| 01:21.18 | dooglus | PerfDave: CentOS has 'yum' which works out the dependancies for you |
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| 01:21.30 | phogg | dooglus: sure it does. |
| 01:21.33 | dooglus | PerfDave: slowly :) |
| 01:21.38 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:21.45 | PerfDave | dooglus: It's not mentioned in the RHEL Systems Administration Manual. |
| 01:21.52 | SJrX | Hurrah |
| 01:21.54 | thingfish | I used red hat/fedora for several years. |
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| 01:21.59 | thingfish | ick |
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| 01:22.05 | noiesmo | !xserver |
| 01:22.12 | dvs | !pity thingfish |
| 01:22.12 | dpkg | I pity da fool thingfish! |
| 01:22.18 | curt | i have a rehat web server, runs fine. |
| 01:22.20 | Mr0bvious | Hmm, now it can't find a mouse device. |
| 01:22.21 | thingfish | boy really |
| 01:22.23 | phogg | PerfDave: they want you to use their for-pay update system |
| 01:22.25 | beardy | !waittd noiesmo |
| 01:22.26 | Mr0bvious | Oh well I need to go I'll work on it later. |
| 01:22.28 | rambo3 | red hat was best in its time |
| 01:22.28 | PerfDave | I was looking at taking a job which involved administering RedHat, but I'm having second thoughts given just how much of a PITA it is compared to Debian. |
| 01:22.33 | Mr0bvious | Thanks for the help PerfDave |
| 01:22.34 | beardy | !wayttd noiesmo |
| 01:22.34 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, noiesmo? |
| 01:22.43 | PerfDave | Mr0bvious: No worries. /dev/input/mice is probably what you want ;) |
| 01:22.48 | duplex- | PerfDave: Redhat, the windows of linux. |
| 01:23.19 | thingfish | no, I think fedora's buggier than even windows. |
| 01:23.26 | phogg | duplex-: The WinNT of Linux. The Win98 of Linux is Linspire. |
| 01:23.32 | duplex- | ha |
| 01:24.08 | adamm | Windows is not pretty solid. It is not the Win95 days :) |
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| 01:24.09 | duplex- | I think linus torvalds should publicly denounce redhat. I'd laugh my ass off. |
| 01:24.20 | Thanatermesis | what is the diference between libglu1-mesa and libglu1-xorg ? |
| 01:24.32 | phogg | apt-get install blah blah blah 0 to remove blah blah. Y! |
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| 01:24.35 | rambo3 | 4 letters |
| 01:24.46 | PerfDave | duplex-: Hey, he already publically denounced Gnome, which made my day. |
| 01:24.59 | duplex- | PerfDave: Oh yeah? Why? |
| 01:25.02 | noiesmo | beardy, need to configure xserver wanted dpkg guide info |
| 01:25.09 | beardy | Linux Torvalds should not speak publically. |
| 01:25.15 | adamm | lol |
| 01:25.16 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:25.17 | beardy | !drxx noiesmo |
| 01:25.17 | PerfDave | duplex-: Because it treats its users like idiots. |
| 01:25.17 | dpkg | noiesmo: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 01:25.27 | phogg | duplex-: for being UI bigots |
| 01:25.32 | curt | gnome wwfm |
| 01:25.43 | tux | I use gnome. |
| 01:25.46 | noiesmo | !xmd5 noiesmo |
| 01:25.52 | Acidz0r | ratpoison > all |
| 01:25.57 | PerfDave | Gnome DFWM ;) |
| 01:25.58 | duplex- | PerfDave: Howso? I mean I just use enlightenment, but how does gnome treat users like idiots? It doesn't seem much different than kde in my opinion. |
| 01:26.00 | curt | noiesmo, /msg dpkg <stuff> |
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| 01:26.06 | duplex- | PerfDave: At least not in that aspect. |
| 01:26.09 | phogg | tux: What about nautilus? |
| 01:26.33 | dondelelcaro | duplex-: the major issue that some people (myself included) have with gnome is that the newer versions are removing some of the options that are actually useful. |
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| 01:26.36 | tux | phogg, I purged nautilus. I use rox-filer. |
| 01:26.39 | dooglus | phogg: what do you mean, "sure it does"? are you saying that 'yum' doesn't install dependencies? |
| 01:26.52 | PerfDave | duplex-: Feel free to read the mailing lists. Basically it was in response to a post by Jeff Waugh IIRC saying that the Gnome UI should not ever present certain options to the user, even in some kind of "advanced settings" dialogue, because they were "too complicated" for users to understand. |
| 01:26.55 | phogg | duplex-: they remove features because it's 'too hard' on poor dumb user's brain. |
| 01:26.55 | curt | dondelelcaro, such as... |
| 01:27.06 | duplex- | dondelelcaro: I see. I've never messed with the newer versions, it was a while ago when I used gnome. I like enlightenment now =). |
| 01:27.26 | dondelelcaro | curt: such as you used to be able to trivially do tab complete in the boxes, you have to use C-l to get them; they're removing other features that other people use too |
| 01:27.30 | phogg | dooglus: I am saying that yum is about as useful as a hammer when it comes to installing software. |
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| 01:27.46 | duplex- | phogg: Even if they remove features, you can always hand edit configuration files..... I don't understand what the problem is. What features are you talking about? |
| 01:27.46 | dondelelcaro | dooglus: E is a WM, not a DE... |
| 01:27.52 | thingfish | from what I remember, yum was hated almost as much as up2date. |
| 01:27.57 | yonkeltron | GOOD SHABBOS!!! |
| 01:27.59 | duplex- | dondelelcaro: I know. I don't use a DE. |
| 01:28.03 | dooglus | dondelelcaro: you've got the wrong man |
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| 01:28.11 | adamm | PerfDave: I agree. These options should be set in configuration files. Otherwise you end up in clicky-hell with death by a thousand checkboxes |
| 01:28.11 | phogg | duplex-: no, you can't. You must use the GNOME registry tool, they don't use config files. |
| 01:28.38 | PerfDave | adamm: Mmm, manually editing files. Welcome to five years ago ;) |
| 01:28.39 | adamm | phogg: Same thing. |
| 01:28.39 | tux | like regedit? |
| 01:28.39 | dondelelcaro | in any case, it's not really a big deal. I don't care enough about it to fix it myself, so the gnome developers can decide to do whatever they want to do |
| 01:28.40 | duplex- | phogg: What feature are you talking about? |
| 01:28.43 | phogg | duplex-: for reference: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/usability/2005-December/msg00021.html |
| 01:28.51 | dooglus | duplex-: see http://mail.gnome.org/archives/usability/2005-December/msg00021.html for Linus denouncing GNOME |
| 01:28.52 | PerfDave | yonkeltron: have you got that scripted or something? ;) |
| 01:29.05 | duplex- | I stopped using DE's a while ago. |
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| 01:29.16 | PerfDave | Yeah, I'm happy for Gnome to keep on Gnoming along, I'll stick with my shiny KDE. |
| 01:29.23 | dondelelcaro | (and I really only care about gtk here, don't care about gnome itself.) |
| 01:29.27 | thingfish | PerfDave: it'd have to be set to keep up with sunset time. |
| 01:29.29 | yonkeltron | PerfDave: no |
| 01:29.44 | PerfDave | yonkeltron: Fair enough, it's just about the only thing I see you say on IRC these days ;p |
| 01:29.55 | phogg | dondelelcaro: sadly gtk is a slave to gnome these days, so we will never get a good file chooser. |
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| 01:30.08 | PerfDave | I mean, obviously I'd prefer it if Gnome died a death and more developer effort went into improving KDE instead, but sadly I doubt that'll ever happen. |
| 01:30.12 | Acidz0r | well, anybody knows how to fix gnome-menus, the application tab got broken and doesnt display anything, any idea? =P |
| 01:30.12 | adamm | PerfDave: It is better than navingating 1000s of options in GUI. I saw that with the Windows 2003 Server. Not very use friendly. |
| 01:30.16 | dondelelcaro | phogg: right, and that's primarily the issue I had... |
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| 01:30.23 | duplex- | I just never noticed anything when I was using gnome. I never had a problem with it. |
| 01:30.48 | duplex- | I'd kinda like an example on what type of features gnome doesn't "let you change". |
| 01:30.48 | phogg | duplex-: did you ever use gnome 1.x? That was a nice system. |
| 01:30.58 | phogg | duplex-: read the discussion thread |
| 01:31.16 | PerfDave | adamm: Each to their own. Personally, I much prefer KDE's interface, which presents powerful configurability without "navigating 1000s of options", to anything else I've used. |
| 01:31.23 | dondelelcaro | duplex-: the issue is that they've been removing features that you used to be able to change/use |
| 01:31.26 | phogg | duplex-: Perfact topical example: The file chooser DOES NOT LET YOU TYPE IN A FILE NAME. |
| 01:31.31 | dooglus | duplex-: in ubuntu, metacity has been hacked so the windows kind of 'stick together' when they get close to each other. in debian they don't. in neither is it an option. |
| 01:31.48 | duplex- | Seems to me most of the issue is with printing. That doesn't apply to me, seeing as how I have no printer :-/ |
| 01:31.58 | dooglus | duplex-: I would like it if I was able to chose whether I wanted my windows to 'stick together' without having to chose between ubuntu and debian to do so. |
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| 01:32.17 | phogg | duplex-: the isue with printing is one example of a larger problem, and a good example too |
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| 01:32.21 | duplex- | dooglus: I don't know much about ubuntu. |
| 01:32.23 | rambo3 | linus is a noob |
| 01:32.32 | dooglus | duplex-: it's not about printing, it's about everything. GNOME doesn't have many configurable options, and KDE has hundreds. |
| 01:32.37 | PerfDave | Yes, Linus is a noob. Many people have been using Linux longer than he has. |
| 01:32.38 | adamm | PerfDave: That's why there is KDE and GNOME, and not one KGNOMODOZE :) |
| 01:32.45 | duplex- | I never used KDE, so I guess I wouldn't have anything to compare it to. |
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| 01:33.01 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: although, there are people who wonder why he even uses KDE... |
| 01:33.04 | phogg | duplex-: You know what I want? I want to be able to put my Close-Window button on the LEFT side of the titlebar, away from the less-dangerous buttons. |
| 01:33.20 | PerfDave | In some places, KDE goes a bit overboard with options, admittedly. But that's better than going underboard. They seem to be rationalising it for KDE 4 though. |
| 01:33.36 | Acidz0r | Ratpoison is owns Gnome and KDE |
| 01:33.47 | phogg | duplex-: In E I use a theme that does that. In KDE it's a snap. In WIndowMaker and AfterStep it's a few quick config edits. In Metacity... sorry, compiled in setting. |
| 01:34.04 | Acidz0r | -is |
| 01:34.13 | duplex- | phogg: You do make a good point there. I just never bothered moving them because I didn't have a need to :-/ |
| 01:34.23 | SerajewelKS | !start a wm war |
| 01:34.23 | dpkg | ratpoison makes me vomit! |
| 01:34.25 | beardy | Look what you've done, brought out every clickyclicky person.. |
| 01:34.28 | SerajewelKS | Acidz0r: HA |
| 01:34.31 | duplex- | ratpoison is very nice. |
| 01:34.32 | curt | hehe |
| 01:34.42 | Acidz0r | ratpoison is hawt |
| 01:34.47 | Acidz0r | SerajewelKS: =P |
| 01:34.47 | dooglus | phogg: I can tell you how to move your dangerous 'X' button to the left if you like. |
| 01:35.04 | SerajewelKS | Acidz0r: even dpkg's.. completely.. uh, random.. factoid agrees.. |
| 01:35.06 | phogg | dooglus: In Metacity? I'd be fascinated to know. |
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| 01:35.15 | Acidz0r | SerajewelKS: haha |
| 01:35.21 | duplex- | I used xgl for a little bit.... til I got over the cool graphics two days later and realized I didn't like how it switched virtual desktops. |
| 01:35.30 | phogg | okay, how do I stop dict's output from being piped to less? |
| 01:35.38 | duplex- | xgl/compiz is great if you have ADD and want to just play with a cube all day. |
| 01:35.44 | phogg | other than unsetting $PAGER |
| 01:35.45 | SerajewelKS | duplex-: as soon as xgl is packaged for debian i intend to try it |
| 01:35.52 | dondelelcaro | phogg: kick it to a file instead, or use more |
| 01:35.54 | dooglus | phogg: Applications->System Tools->Configuration Editor->apps->metacity->general->button_layout->menu,close:minimize,maximize |
| 01:35.55 | duplex- | SerajewelKS: I'm on debian and I used the ubuntu packages. |
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| 01:36.00 | duplex- | SerajewelKS: And it works fine. |
| 01:36.01 | phogg | dondelelcaro: it does it without asking |
| 01:36.05 | SerajewelKS | duplex-: SACRELIGE |
| 01:36.09 | duplex- | SerajewelKS: =) |
| 01:36.10 | dondelelcaro | phogg: or use -P -; man dict |
| 01:36.13 | dooglus | phogg: it's a bit like using regedit in windows, but it works... |
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| 01:36.19 | SerajewelKS | Supaplex: if debian had a /dev/hell, i'd pipe you to it |
| 01:36.21 | phogg | dooglus: fantastic. I'm glad they fixed that, at least. |
| 01:36.32 | SerajewelKS | err |
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| 01:36.37 | SerajewelKS | s/Supaplex/duplex-/ |
| 01:36.39 | duplex- | SerajewelKS: Why? I can always remove them. I just installed them to test it out. |
| 01:36.47 | phogg | dondelelcaro: what I'd really like to know is why the default behavior changed |
| 01:36.57 | dooglus | phogg: if you can call it 'fixed' when I have to give a 2-line description of how to do it... |
| 01:37.00 | dondelelcaro | phogg: you should probably also consider using less -F |
| 01:37.10 | SerajewelKS | duplex-: i'm kinda joking, only half sorta, but not really |
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| 01:37.16 | dooglus | phogg: IMHO navigating to an obscure 'registry key' isn't "usable" |
| 01:37.21 | Acidz0r | somebody knows how to fix gnome-menus, the application menu got stuck after installing k3b |
| 01:37.23 | dondelelcaro | phogg: because dict responses that are multipage are common |
| 01:37.37 | dondelelcaro | (and probably someone got tired of going dict|less |
| 01:37.38 | phogg | dooglus: I agree, but the GNOME people don't. What can you do? I voted with my feet when I saw what 2.1 was like. |
| 01:37.55 | dooglus | dondelelcaro: the output of "find" is typically multipage too. should that automatically be piped to "less" too? |
| 01:38.29 | dumezil | anyone know a good howto on ripping vcds? |
| 01:38.33 | dondelelcaro | dooglus: in general, it'll just work the way you expect it to. If you don't like it, change the configuration file or alias dict to dict -P - |
| 01:38.37 | dooglus | phogg: I was an XFCE4 user in ubuntu, and am only back in GNOME 'cos that's what debian defaulted me to. |
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| 01:38.51 | phogg | dondelelcaro: one man's poison is another man's aphrodiziac |
| 01:39.02 | SerajewelKS | dumezil: mount /media/cdrom; cp -r /media/cdrom $HOME/rip |
| 01:39.12 | phogg | dooglus: Eh?! Debian? Default? What have you been smoking? |
| 01:39.13 | dooglus | phogg: cyanide turns you on? |
| 01:39.19 | PerfDave | dooglus: When did Debian default you to Gnome? |
| 01:39.23 | phogg | dooglus: |less turns me on |
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| 01:39.26 | Acidz0r | phogg: haha |
| 01:39.33 | dondelelcaro | the default is gnome if you select the desktop task... |
| 01:39.40 | dooglus | phogg: heh. I guess I *did* apt-get install gnome, now that I come to think about it./. |
| 01:39.47 | phogg | dondelelcaro: that sounds like a bug to me |
| 01:39.48 | dondelelcaro | 'course, last time I checked, that task also includes kde... |
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| 01:40.01 | SerajewelKS | phogg: maybe i should sell |less enlargement pills. though they'd probably just change your |less to |more |
| 01:40.02 | Ashex | has anyone else run into problems with compiling madwifi-ng? |
| 01:40.11 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: When did that change? Last time I installed the Desktop Environment task was Sarge RC2 IIRC, and it defaulted to KDE. |
| 01:40.19 | beardy | dondelelcaro: The persons that got tired could have aliased 'dict | less' to dict instead of throwing their opinion on others. Keep things basic and simple and let people decide for themselves, is the way it should be. |
| 01:40.22 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: it defaulted to kdm with gnome. |
| 01:40.32 | phogg | SerajewelKS: |more isn't as big as advertised. I'd move to |most |
| 01:40.47 | dooglus | PerfDave: I installed the desktop task yesterday after installing package 'gnome', and I don't think it installed KDE at all |
| 01:40.48 | dondelelcaro | beardy: the developer of dict is the person who decided it was a good idea. If you don't like it, fork dict. |
| 01:41.02 | dooglus | nope, no KDE here |
| 01:41.04 | SerajewelKS | phogg: except we're keeping this inside the *nix world, and my box doesn't have "most" ;) |
| 01:41.04 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: When did it change? It used to default to kdm and kde. |
| 01:41.08 | dondelelcaro | beardy: no one is forcing anything on you. You have the freedom to decide that dict should do whatever you want to do. |
| 01:41.29 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: the last time I installed it (~1.5 years ago?) that's what it was doing |
| 01:41.33 | phogg | SerajewelKS: That's what aptitude is for |
| 01:41.38 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: of course, it installed kde too, so you could run kde as well |
| 01:41.40 | PerfDave | Bah, I must be tired, I am closing every HTML tag with </a> regardless of what the tag *is* |
| 01:42.02 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: Hmm, it must have changed *to* kdm and kde for RC2 :) |
| 01:42.23 | SerajewelKS | PerfDave, dondelelcaro: this is why i suggested that tasksel have KDE and Gnome options, not just "desktop" -- that's ambiguous. granted people could pick neither and apt-get install kde|gnome later, but still it wouldn't be that hard. |
| 01:42.27 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: unlikely, 'cause this was after RC2... |
| 01:42.39 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: Hmm, so when did it change them? :) |
| 01:42.42 | SerajewelKS | of course the people on debian-user flamed me to no end after that suggestion |
| 01:42.56 | PerfDave | SerajewelKS: Nah, it should just install KDE *g* |
| 01:43.06 | SerajewelKS | PerfDave: or better yet pick a random one! |
| 01:43.08 | dos000 | for some reason my / pointing to /dev/md0 which is raid1 always comes back as degraded raid when i reboot. anyone can help ? |
| 01:43.09 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: AFAIK, it's always included both. If you choose the Debian session, you get gnome started from kdm. If you choose KDE, you got kde. |
| 01:43.12 | SerajewelKS | PerfDave: keep the install process surprising |
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| 01:43.42 | phogg | echo alias dict="'dict -P -'" >> /etc/bash.bashr |
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| 01:44.02 | dooglus | dondelelcaro: I installed the desktop task using tasksel yesterday and it didn't install kdm. I don't have kdm installed even now. |
| 01:44.03 | phogg | or something. Anyway, problem worked around. |
| 01:44.07 | SerajewelKS | phogg: i have to agree with you on dict though, piping through less is incredibly stupid |
| 01:44.11 | dooglus | I have gdm, not kdm |
| 01:44.35 | SerajewelKS | PerfDave: O_o... maybe it is random already? |
| 01:44.46 | dondelelcaro | dooglus: ok, so it's gdm now. |
| 01:44.47 | Acidz0r | dooglus: you removed it while sleeping <g> |
| 01:45.00 | dooglus | Acidz0r: heh, I wouldn't be surprised if I did. |
| 01:45.08 | Acidz0r | dooglus: o; |
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| 01:45.46 | phogg | The default should be GNUStep |
| 01:45.48 | SerajewelKS | when it comes right down to it, tasksel is for newbies anyway. i mean that seriously. people who know what they want leave tasksel empty and apt-get install stuff later. |
| 01:46.28 | SerajewelKS | or use the dselect/aptitude option |
| 01:46.30 | dooglus | Acidz0r: I would agree with you if it wasn't for the cool random background images that gdm shows :) |
| 01:46.37 | phogg | SerajewelKS: yeah, I've done that. But sometimes it's nice not to have to remember all those packages you take for granted. |
| 01:46.55 | SerajewelKS | phogg: but they're probably not the same packages other people take for granted, so you have to remember them |
| 01:47.16 | SerajewelKS | phogg: 'apt-get install kdebase' will install an X server, i think (not sure, might just install the X libraries) |
| 01:47.24 | PerfDave | phogg: I don't remember them, I install them when I get "command not found". At least, that's what I do with "screen" ;) |
| 01:47.28 | phogg | SerajewelKS: some of them, yeah, but e.g. selecting the development task, or whatever it's called, saves me from remembering that autotools are not just there |
| 01:47.38 | PerfDave | I do remember "apt-get install x-window-system-core kdebase kdm" by heart though ;) |
| 01:47.40 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: it better not install an X server... |
| 01:47.42 | dooglus | SerajewelKS: "apt-get install gnome" *didn't* install an X server for me. |
| 01:47.46 | Acidz0r | dooglus: hehe, I know (= |
| 01:47.56 | dondelelcaro | since it definetly doesn't require one |
| 01:48.01 | dooglus | Acidz0r: isn't that something? GNOME doesn't depend on X? |
| 01:48.04 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: i didn't think it did after i typed it out |
| 01:48.12 | SerajewelKS | dooglus: X server != X libraries |
| 01:48.29 | SerajewelKS | dooglus: what if you run Gnome using a remote X server? you need the libraries without the server. |
| 01:48.53 | dooglus | SerajewelKS: good point. I was surpised, but it does make sense. |
| 01:48.55 | dondelelcaro | apt-rdepends kdebase|grep -v '^ '|wc -l -> 217... yeay. |
| 01:49.02 | Acidz0r | kinda |
| 01:49.07 | phogg | I believe the server is 'suggests' on kde |
| 01:49.16 | dooglus | SerajewelKS: what doesn't make so much sense is how installing the X server updated my wallpaper :) |
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| 01:49.20 | PerfDave | I believe that Debian's xorg packages are currently broken in this regard (xlibs depending on the server), but that greycat is crusading through the BTS to get it fixed ;) |
| 01:49.31 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: no, they don't. |
| 01:49.52 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: Maybe it's been fixed already then ;) |
| 01:49.53 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: they used to depend on xserver-common, but even that is going away. |
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| 01:50.06 | dondelelcaro | (and xserver-common is *not* an X server) |
| 01:50.12 | Acidz0r | gnome is broken in sid ;P |
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| 01:50.18 | hyde | what's the command to only view zombie processes in 'top'? |
| 01:50.28 | phogg | Acidz0r: I've got news for you: GNOME is broken everywhere. |
| 01:50.33 | PerfDave | Anyway, time for me to go curl up beside the grilf. nn all. |
| 01:50.56 | Acidz0r | phogg: haha, that's why ratpoison owns all =P |
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| 01:51.12 | phogg | right, not curl(1)... |
| 01:51.22 | adamm | PerfDave: In experimental the Depends line for xlibs reads only: xkb-data | xkb-data-legacy. XOrg is becoming *very* modular now. |
| 01:51.24 | beardy | PerfDave: grilf sounds like something that can bite ;) |
| 01:51.37 | dooglus | hyde: I don't think that's possible |
| 01:51.47 | jcreigh | Acidz0r: Yeah, ratpoison is nice. |
| 01:51.49 | PerfDave | beardy: Only if I ask nicely. |
| 01:52.06 | PerfDave | adamm: 01:49:52 < PerfDave> dondelelcaro: Maybe it's been fixed already then ;) |
| 01:52.20 | phogg | Acidz0r: I haven't gotten to ratpoison yet. I tried wmii for a while, which is a seriously nice WM, but could not get used to it. |
| 01:52.22 | beardy | PerfDave: heh |
| 01:52.23 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: I'm saying that it was never broken in the way that you're saying. |
| 01:52.25 | PerfDave | Dunno, I don't use xorg, just noticed greycat bitching about it recently is all. |
| 01:52.27 | hyde | dooglus I hate the fact that I can't kill these defunct processes |
| 01:52.36 | dondelelcaro | (unless we're talking about experimental) |
| 01:52.44 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: Maybe I misremember what greycat was saying then. There was some odd dependency anyway. |
| 01:52.54 | PerfDave | Doesn't really matter anyway. |
| 01:53.07 | dondelelcaro | well, gravity would know for sure, but I really doubt he'd make that mistake |
| 01:53.17 | phogg | hyde: killing zombies isn't as easy as they make it out to be in the movies. |
| 01:53.39 | beardy | !tell hyde -about zombie |
| 01:53.52 | curt | there was that xorg removes gnome a while back but that was fixed i think |
| 01:54.10 | Acidz0r | phogg: i've been using gnome since hummm, rh5? stepped to fluxbox/openbox but gets boring to configure external apps to make them work |
| 01:54.32 | spatulasnout | hi! my /usr/share/dict is currently empty... is there a standard package to install to give me the dictionary 'words' file? |
| 01:55.15 | phogg | spatulasnout: dictionaries-common |
| 01:55.27 | spatulasnout | phogg: ty !! |
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| 01:55.40 | phogg | spatulasnout: but really, get wamerican too |
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| 01:55.51 | tux | spantiga, apt-cache search dict- |
| 01:55.51 | spatulasnout | ok |
| 01:55.52 | phogg | or another dialect of your choice |
| 01:55.57 | curt | wamerican has a few different sizes too |
| 01:56.02 | runedude | hmm |
| 01:56.06 | tux | spatulasnout, apt-cache search dict- |
| 01:56.08 | runedude | im having very very bad luck... |
| 01:56.15 | spatulasnout | tux: thx! |
| 01:56.54 | phogg | curt: I've noticed that -large and -small are the same number of bytes. |
| 01:57.02 | dooglus | hyde: you can sort the processes in order of status by typing OW<RET> |
| 01:57.12 | dooglus | hyde: that will at least group the zombie processes together |
| 01:57.21 | runedude | guys.. im really frustrated here.. i keep booting into knoppix and again i can see my harddrive and write to the disk fine, but when it boots debian it has these stupid "journal has aborted" errors |
| 01:57.31 | curt | phogg, never noticed. wonder what wc shows |
| 01:57.33 | phogg | runedude: bad kernel? |
| 01:57.52 | runedude | phogg: nope, im pretty sure the kernel is fine.. |
| 01:57.58 | phogg | curt: cmp shows them to be the same |
| 01:58.14 | Acidz0r | runedude: fstab? |
| 01:58.37 | runedude | well my fstab appears to work fine |
| 01:59.33 | phogg | /usr/share/dict/american has 41545 more wods in it than /usr/share/dict/american-large, which is identical to american-small. |
| 02:00.41 | PerfDave | curt: xorg removing gnome is a feature, not a bug *g* |
| 02:00.57 | runedude | ive googled this error.. (EXT3-fs error (device ide0(3,1)) in start_transaction: journal has aborted), and it says a fsck should fix this |
| 02:01.03 | runedude | however, ive ran fsck so many times |
| 02:01.28 | curt | PerfDave, KDE is fine for my 10 year old sisters taste but mine are less flashy... =^_^= |
| 02:01.36 | phogg | runedude: custom or stock kernel? |
| 02:01.42 | runedude | stock |
| 02:01.45 | runedude | i havent changed anything |
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| 02:02.56 | runedude | ive confirmed my filesystem is not corrupt |
| 02:03.07 | runedude | i know i can read/write on it fine in knoppix |
| 02:03.18 | runedude | but whenever its in debian it seems to "hate" on me. |
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| 02:03.53 | useruser | runedude: debian knows your secrets. you are being judged. |
| 02:04.04 | runedude | sadly i think thats the case.. |
| 02:04.10 | ubuh-huntuh | how do I setup my box to receive logs from other hosts with syslogd? |
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| 02:04.52 | useruser | runedude: maybe you didn't run fsck with the right options? |
| 02:04.59 | runedude | i did fsck -y -C /dev/hda1 |
| 02:05.13 | runedude | and it said "recovering journal" |
| 02:05.18 | runedude | on boot it says "clean" |
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| 02:05.35 | Durin | runedude: try e2fsck -f -y /dev/hda1 |
| 02:05.40 | runedude | okay |
| 02:05.45 | runedude | ill load knoppix back up, brb |
| 02:06.08 | dema | i |
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| 02:06.20 | Chance | Durin can you help me ? i am trying to install debian remotely on a box |
| 02:06.42 | Chance | this is the current error i am stuck to at the moment http://pastebin.com/595669 |
| 02:06.50 | Chance | i have booted the box in rescue mod |
| 02:07.04 | Chance | made the partitions |
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| 02:08.01 | Chance | then debootstrap and chrooted into the directory that was mounted on a dev |
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| 02:08.13 | runedude | Durin: just curious, what is the difference between e2fsck and fsck? |
| 02:08.35 | Durin | runedude: read the man pages ;-) |
| 02:08.58 | runedude | oh, well.. before i was running the fsck.ext3 |
| 02:09.09 | Durin | Chance: and then? |
| 02:09.29 | weasel00 | !dos2unix |
| 02:09.29 | dpkg | dos2unix is in the sysutils package; or you could use col, recode, fromdos, flip, tr -d '\r', or even perl -pi -e 's/\r\n/\n/g' |
| 02:10.50 | SJrX | I have upgraded my kernel with a new package |
| 02:10.52 | Durin | Chance: afaik you should mount /proc in the chrooted env before running lilo |
| 02:10.52 | SJrX | when the new kernel boots |
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| 02:11.16 | SJrX | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:11.32 | SJrX | I tried root=/dev/hda2 but that's not it. |
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| 02:11.55 | satans_ny | how do i change which window handler to be used? like fluxbox, kde, gnome etc. taling about xdm |
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| 02:12.29 | abrotman | gnome and kde are not window managers |
| 02:12.36 | satans_ny | okay |
| 02:12.38 | abrotman | !xinitrc |
| 02:12.38 | dpkg | [xinitrc] just use ~/.xsession, or (See entry for ".xinitrc"), or (See entry for "xsession") |
| 02:12.44 | SJrX | there aren't? |
| 02:12.47 | abrotman | !xsession |
| 02:12.47 | dpkg | i guess xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
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| 02:13.16 | abrotman | SJrX: no .. gnome and kde are desktop environments .. fluxbox/kwm/metacity are window managers etc |
| 02:13.31 | riot | how do i set up an isdn-card? |
| 02:13.44 | Chance | Durin i did that |
| 02:13.46 | abrotman | i still don't know |
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| 02:14.07 | ArthurB | Hi, what is the debianly correct way to install a package in apt using the source but changing some compile-time options? |
| 02:14.28 | abrotman | !source |
| 02:14.28 | dpkg | rumour has it, source is To work with Debian source packages, cd to a location with free space and run the following: apt-get install build-essential fakeroot && apt-get source <packagename> && apt-get build-dep <packagename>. Then cd into source directory and run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot to build debs from source. |
| 02:14.39 | E0x | somebody can give me a copy of local.conf file ( /etc/fonts/local.conf ) |
| 02:14.46 | Chance | Durin mount: proc already mounted |
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| 02:15.17 | ArthurB | can apt-build do that ? |
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| 02:16.18 | dondelelcaro | ArthurB: not automatically |
| 02:16.50 | ArthurB | apt-build does like apt-get expect it compiles the package and all the depencies right ? |
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| 02:17.44 | abrotman | ArthurB: before you build the package .. change the options |
| 02:17.53 | ArthurB | how to I do that ? |
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| 02:18.39 | riot | how do i setup an avm a1 isdn-card? |
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| 02:19.35 | nzx | hey is there a guide to get things like acrobat,flash,dvd, setup? |
| 02:20.09 | thingfish | !tell nzx about marillat |
| 02:20.16 | Durin | Chance: sorry no idea yet |
| 02:20.27 | thingfish | nzx: also make sure contrib and non-free are in your /etc/apt/sources.list. |
| 02:20.42 | nzx | thingfish, thank you |
| 02:20.58 | riot | geez.. how comes, dpkg knows SHIT about isdn?!? |
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| 02:21.21 | thingfish | nzx: you're welcome. New to Debian? |
| 02:21.42 | riot | is that system so diverse, that every telco uses another bandwidth?? I never saw any isdn-line running at (the claimed) 56 kbit.. they all do 64 (times two on two channles + 16kbit unusable d-channel info) |
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| 02:23.45 | ArthurB | " apt-build --install blah" (wrong syntax intended) segfaults, version 0.12.17 can someone reproduce ? |
| 02:23.49 | riot | ok.. i c, isdn is a german thing, as it seems. |
| 02:24.03 | riot | so, its my own problem, heh? |
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| 02:24.21 | Reilithion | hello, all |
| 02:24.24 | nzx | thingfish, not really |
| 02:24.48 | nzx | thingfish, been using it for a few years now, but only in text mode :) |
| 02:25.01 | abrotman | riot: you have 64bit isdn ? |
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| 02:26.02 | riot | abrotman: yes, if i pay for one channel. i have two available. and if i dig my pockets, i can have 4. (which is then 256 kbit expensive isdn-power + 32 kbit d-channel) |
| 02:26.28 | abrotman | riot: you don't live in the states? |
| 02:26.29 | riot | abrotman: theres nothing else here in .de.. except some faster business-variants. |
| 02:26.35 | abrotman | oh |
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| 02:26.43 | abrotman | i thought isdn had died |
| 02:26.57 | riot | huh?? its our major telephone-net (xcept gsm/umts) |
| 02:27.05 | riot | (and voip) |
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| 02:27.14 | abrotman | barely anyone in the states offers isdn anymore |
| 02:27.25 | riot | interesting.. what ELSE do they offer? analog? |
| 02:27.28 | beardy | riot: No dsl? |
| 02:27.32 | nzx | all switched to adsl? |
| 02:27.52 | Reilithion | Has someone been messing with dpkg? |
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| 02:28.17 | riot | sure, we Do have adsl2+. I have 24 mbits. |
| 02:28.29 | riot | but you Do _not_ telephone over dsl.. |
| 02:28.42 | abrotman | riot: DSL/Cable/T#/dialup(regular phone)/satellite/OC## etc |
| 02:28.45 | jmd_ | How do I make the gnome applets in etch start working ? |
| 02:28.58 | abrotman | install them .. put them in the panel |
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| 02:29.11 | riot | abrotman: regular phone (analog) sucks big time. isdn has MUCH more comfort and is higher quality |
| 02:29.25 | riot | the rest is just usable for IP (maybe some cheapass VoIP) |
| 02:29.28 | abrotman | sure it does .. but here it cost 10x as much :) |
| 02:29.53 | riot | abrotman: here its just 4 euros more, but you get 8 numbers and two lines (instead of ONE,ONE) |
| 02:29.54 | abrotman | so it's totally not worth it |
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| 02:30.20 | riot | aye.. now i know, why the us is TOTALLY behind, regarding telecommunication ;D |
| 02:30.23 | Reilithion | Poor dpkg has gone loopy, methinks. |
| 02:30.28 | Reilithion | !best os |
| 02:30.28 | dpkg | i heard best os is at microsoft.de |
| 02:30.35 | abrotman | riot: i consider ISDN to be totally behind |
| 02:30.37 | Reilithion | !best operating system |
| 02:30.37 | dpkg | it has been said that best operating system is at microsoft.com |
| 02:30.42 | riot | abrotman: compared to what? |
| 02:30.46 | abrotman | riot: anything :) |
| 02:30.55 | riot | abrotman: WHAT? |
| 02:31.10 | abrotman | riot: my office has a T1 .. split channels for voice/data .. small office .. but 768k up/down .. and 6 voice channels |
| 02:31.37 | abrotman | maybe it's 5 voice .. i don't remember :) |
| 02:31.40 | abrotman | and we still have channels left over |
| 02:31.49 | riot | what protocols do you use for those 6 voice channels? We're not talking about IP here.. ISDN is solely used for voice here. |
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| 02:32.10 | abrotman | they're regular analog voice |
| 02:32.14 | riot | EEEK.. |
| 02:32.19 | riot | analog voice sucks BIG TIME.. |
| 02:32.30 | riot | you should read the isdn-specs.. ;) |
| 02:32.37 | abrotman | wait .. let me rephrase .. it goes into our analog voice system |
| 02:32.51 | riot | aha. and what do you use externally? |
| 02:33.00 | abrotman | noone here will sell you ISDN .. because it sucks |
| 02:33.18 | abrotman | it's bloody expensive .. and slow |
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| 02:33.59 | riot | hmmm. so i have two very cheap bloody expensive connections here.. i feel honoured :) |
| 02:34.04 | jmd_ | Wtf has all this ISDN/DSL talk to do with Debian? |
| 02:34.07 | abrotman | riot: you pay euros? |
| 02:34.12 | riot | yeps. |
| 02:34.12 | jetscreamer | anything ou want it to |
| 02:34.18 | abrotman | riot: how much per month? |
| 02:34.33 | riot | jmd_: lots. because i need to setup an avm a1 isdn-card on some debian sid. |
| 02:34.34 | abrotman | riot: if you don't mind my asking :) |
| 02:35.11 | riot | abrotman: oh.. gotta remember.. i think 15 eur. if i call someone on the same network (like my appartment-mate) its free |
| 02:35.27 | abrotman | that's like our dialup |
| 02:35.34 | runedude | Durin: i ran what you said, output: http://pastebin.com/595698 |
| 02:35.38 | riot | um.. i'm _NOT_ talking about IP!!! |
| 02:35.43 | jtrimmer | hearing ISDN makes me feel like I'm back in the early 90's |
| 02:35.44 | abrotman | i meant the price |
| 02:35.47 | runedude | it seemed to work fine durin, problem is as soon as i reboot its probably going to screw up again |
| 02:35.59 | riot | IP is running on the other line. which is 24/2 mbit adsl for 24 eur |
| 02:36.17 | jetscreamer | you get charged for some intra-city calls, riot, depending on if they're in the same network? |
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| 02:36.19 | jetscreamer | voice |
| 02:36.25 | abrotman | jetscreamer: he's in germany |
| 02:36.35 | jetscreamer | yes i know |
| 02:36.47 | jetscreamer | voice calls |
| 02:36.50 | riot | so, intra-city calls in u.s. are free generally? |
| 02:36.54 | jetscreamer | yes |
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| 02:37.05 | jetscreamer | even some jsut outside depending |
| 02:37.15 | runedude | anyways.. anyone else around that knows what could be wrong? fsck just doesnt seem to be cutting it.. |
| 02:37.21 | abrotman | you have a calling area that is free .. usually a town or two on all sides |
| 02:37.52 | syscrash2k | does anyone know why fontconfig would not be listing fonts in fc-list? they are pcf fonts, but the fonts.cache-1 file is generated in the font directory, and the appropriate <dir> path is set in my local.conf. fc-cache -fv tells me "caching, 60 fonts, 0 dirs", which is a good thing, but fc-list does not show the fonts. this has worked on other distros for whatever reason |
| 02:37.52 | abrotman | riot: i thought your ISDN was your internet access |
| 02:38.02 | riot | abrotman: noooo. i talk about dsl all the time |
| 02:38.03 | jetscreamer | i think he uses it for both |
| 02:38.15 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 02:38.17 | runedude | hmm.. maybe its time to format i guess... |
| 02:38.18 | abrotman | it sounds like it would be the equivalent of a leased-line here |
| 02:38.26 | riot | geez.. isdn for internet.. thats somewhat OLD, aint it? |
| 02:38.40 | abrotman | riot: that's what i was talking about earlier :) |
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| 02:38.58 | riot | its for VOICE and modem-substitutes.. how do YOU dial into some BBS/Similar?? |
| 02:39.05 | jetscreamer | pots |
| 02:39.06 | Thanatermesis | how i can load a module with a specified parameter the next times of i load it ? |
| 02:39.08 | riot | using your old courier28.8 modem?!? |
| 02:39.16 | jetscreamer | plain old telephone system |
| 02:39.19 | riot | eeek |
| 02:39.19 | Durin | runedude: hm, maybe you should try to recreate the journal with 'tune2fs -j /dev/hda1' |
| 02:39.24 | runedude | okay |
| 02:39.28 | riot | jetscreamer: ain't that somewhat ...noisy?? |
| 02:39.34 | jetscreamer | not usually |
| 02:39.46 | riot | ok.. i have guaranteed 0 bit noise. |
| 02:39.47 | runedude | it says, Durin, "The filesystem already has a journal" |
| 02:40.12 | abrotman | riot: guaranteed? |
| 02:40.21 | riot | problem is, right now, i'd be HAPPY to see even NOISE comin in to my card. because right now debian tells me "no card" except lspci.. |
| 02:40.43 | abrotman | can you paste lspci and lspci -n .. somewhere |
| 02:40.44 | riot | abrotman: guaranteed to my house-connection. Why should there be any? its digital. |
| 02:40.44 | abrotman | !paste |
| 02:40.44 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 02:41.06 | abrotman | riot: digital doesn't imply 0 bit noise |
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| 02:41.19 | runedude | should i force a journal recreation with the -f flag? |
| 02:41.32 | riot | abrotman: ok. but it is, compared to analog telcos.. |
| 02:42.05 | Durin | runedude: i would try it |
| 02:42.19 | runedude | Durin: it says it can damage my filesystem, is that true? |
| 02:42.40 | Durin | runedude: yes |
| 02:42.41 | runedude | in the manpage that is |
| 02:42.42 | riot | lspci tells me, theres an avm a1 card on 00:12.0 with 0280: 1244:0a00 |
| 02:43.00 | riot | which is pretty nice. i'm just having problems with debian's i4l |
| 02:43.00 | runedude | interesting... i added an -f, and it said the same thing, it said it already has a journal |
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| 02:43.47 | Durin | runedude: hm, time for an mke2fs -j i think |
| 02:43.48 | abrotman | PCI IDWorks?VendorDeviceDriverComment |
| 02:43.48 | abrotman | 12440a00YesAVM Audiovisuelles MKTG & Computer System GmbHFRITZ!Card ISDN Controllerhisax,hisax_fcpcipnp |
| 02:43.52 | runedude | okay |
| 02:44.00 | bernardo | How do I configure my sound card? |
| 02:44.05 | riot | now YOU did paste ;) |
| 02:44.14 | abrotman | yes i did .. but i pasted your answer :) |
| 02:44.21 | riot | huh? |
| 02:44.26 | abrotman | riot: i also know how many lines i can paste |
| 02:44.27 | jmd_ | bernardo: How do I find my way home from here? |
| 02:44.39 | abrotman | !which driver |
| 02:44.39 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
| 02:44.40 | riot | i'm actually checking modules |
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| 02:44.52 | abrotman | riot: go there .. paste in "1244:0a00" .. and click check |
| 02:45.03 | runedude | Durin: this isnt going to remove anything is it...? |
| 02:45.44 | bernardo | jmd_: if you can't help don't bother... |
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| 02:46.11 | riot | abrotman: there are some missing ;) |
| 02:46.17 | abrotman | there are? |
| 02:46.20 | runedude | mmmmm |
| 02:46.24 | riot | on that page :D |
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| 02:46.54 | riot | i have two, three more. i remember one of them is not necessary to just dial out bbs's. |
| 02:47.03 | abrotman | riot: huh? |
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| 02:47.11 | abrotman | riot: those are the modules to make the card work |
| 02:47.26 | jmd_ | bernardo: Perhaps I can help. Perhaps I can't. But nobody can help you if you ask such a vague question. If you can only ask questions which nobody has any chance of answering based on the information you provide, then please don't waste IRC bandwidth and everyone else's time. |
| 02:47.28 | arnd__ | cu. n8 |
| 02:47.33 | abrotman | neight? |
| 02:47.54 | arnd__ | strip the e ;) |
| 02:48.02 | abrotman | why not just say "night" |
| 02:48.24 | riot | abrotman: mhmmm. They are ok, as it seems. |
| 02:48.28 | kspath | abrotman: Than it would not be "special". |
| 02:48.34 | arnd__ | because this works in german as well as in english ;) |
| 02:48.43 | Cortez_the_kille | hi all, I'm having a little problem with gtk themes in my sid installation (I'm using the lastest packages). When i choose a gtk theme in gnome theme selector only the colors of themes are applyed but the buttons types aren't. some idea? |
| 02:48.47 | abrotman | arnd__: that's not english |
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| 02:49.00 | arnd__ | i know |
| 02:49.03 | kspath | arnd__: nacht? |
| 02:49.25 | arnd__ | cheap excuse |
| 02:49.32 | bernardo | jmd_: i asked a straight question! How do i configure a sound card on debian? |
| 02:49.33 | riot | lol. This channel _is_ english. you could try that on #debian.de .. but still, i remember them not liking such netboy-slang :) |
| 02:49.40 | beardy | str8 |
| 02:49.42 | De_Mon | bernardo install alsa |
| 02:49.50 | kspath | arnd__: notte nuit noches nacht night |
| 02:50.07 | Cortez_the_kille | someone can help me? or have the same problem? |
| 02:50.17 | jmd_ | bernardo: Which sound card? Which Debian release? Which architecture .......? |
| 02:50.25 | arnd__ | anyway. i'm out of here |
| 02:50.26 | beardy | bernardo: /msg dpkg alsa 2.6 |
| 02:50.41 | Reilithion | !tell Cortez_the_kille about unstable |
| 02:50.43 | riot | abrotman: you got any more hints? i believe i have some i4l-problems, but how can i be sure, except checking the modules..? |
| 02:50.45 | jmd_ | bernardo: .... and how do you wish to configure it? |
| 02:51.24 | Cortez_the_kille | Reilithion, etch is with the same problem =/ |
| 02:51.37 | bernardo | jmd_: architecture i386, version woody, card AC'97, and i just want it to work... |
| 02:51.53 | beardy | bernardo: WHy are you running woody? |
| 02:51.57 | abrotman | riot: those modules don't load? |
| 02:52.11 | riot | abrotman: those modules are loaded. Wasn't there some debian-way of configuring the isdn dialing-procedure? i remember some ncurses-interface but can't quite remember the command to invoke |
| 02:52.18 | abrotman | !isdn |
| 02:52.18 | dpkg | i heard isdn is (Integrated Services Digital Network) This is a digital line that is often used to connect to the Internet. It generally come in two flavors: one is a 56 Kbps version, which in actuality only uses half of the ISDN line's bandwidth; the other is the 128 Kbps version, which uses both the 56 Kbps channels on the line. However, that's only 112 Kbps--the other 16 Kbps are an 8 Kbps back channel of each line., or at http://www.isdn4linux.de/ |
| 02:52.25 | bernardo | beardy: well... |
| 02:52.26 | De_Mon | good grief |
| 02:52.30 | riot | yep. i know that already :/ |
| 02:52.39 | riot | and its all wrong :( |
| 02:52.50 | abrotman | riot: sometimes there is more info there :) |
| 02:52.53 | riot | sometimes, yes ;) |
| 02:53.04 | abrotman | riot: did you try isdnutils ? |
| 02:53.06 | riot | thats actually the first time, i ever saw wrong info from dpkg |
| 02:53.24 | riot | yes, also isdnutils-base.. they just quit, claiming everything to be ok. :-/ |
| 02:53.35 | jmd_ | bernardo: Well that's a start. I just loaded the ac97_codec. So far as I can recall. There wasn't anything else I had to do. |
| 02:53.38 | beardy | bernardo: go on? |
| 02:53.57 | abrotman | riot: how do you know it's not ok? |
| 02:54.27 | bernardo | jmd_: so i just have to load this codec? |
| 02:54.30 | riot | hmm. i don't? dpkg-reconfigure just works some seconds and then quits without error-code or output |
| 02:54.42 | abrotman | can't you test the connection somehow? |
| 02:54.55 | bernardo | beardy:i dont know....you dont like it? |
| 02:55.00 | riot | no. not even isdnlog does work anyhow. i have no device like ippp0 |
| 02:55.11 | jmd_ | bernardo: The codec module. from misc/ac97_coded.o |
| 02:55.25 | jmd_ | but it's been a while since I used it. |
| 02:55.52 | abrotman | riot: you loaded the modules and checked dmesg ? |
| 02:56.20 | jmd_ | and my idea of "just working" might be different to yours. There's lot's of things one can do with a sound card, and I was using it for a rather specific purpose. |
| 02:56.54 | runedude | Durin: you're.. joking... |
| 02:57.03 | runedude | i just blew the friggin filesystem away!!!! |
| 02:57.09 | bernardo | jmd_: ok... i will try it, thanx |
| 02:57.11 | beardy | bernardo: Woody is the old stable, it will not get security updates. "/msg dpkg woody->sarge" You do as you please of course, but withoout a good reason, it's a bad idea not to upgrade to sarge. |
| 02:57.36 | jmd_ | np |
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| 02:57.50 | riot | GEEWHIZZ!! i just did /etc/init.d/isdnutils start... now i at least have them devices up... I'm gonna check that.. (wonder why they weren't up _already_ though!!) |
| 02:57.50 | riot | ...strange! |
| 02:57.50 | riot | *argh* sets some nasty default routes. can you read me? |
| 02:57.56 | abrotman | riot: did you read the isdnutils-doc ? |
| 02:57.58 | bernardo | beardy:yeah...i know, i'm going to upgrade ASAP |
| 02:58.40 | runedude | Okay.. well.. |
| 02:58.52 | riot | uuh.. still connected :D |
| 02:58.56 | runedude | I didnt think doing a mke2fs would do that, since it only needed a new journal |
| 02:59.02 | runedude | however now ALL my data is whiped away. |
| 02:59.03 | jmd_ | bernardo: I would suggest that you'll have a better chance of getting the sound card working if you move to Sarge FIRST. |
| 02:59.11 | runedude | thank you everyone :| |
| 02:59.14 | riot | abrotman: yes, but thats a real long time ago. i think i have something to check out now :) |
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| 02:59.37 | bernardo | jmd_: ok....i will do that, thanx |
| 02:59.46 | riot | that default-route just added by isdnutils to an unconnected ippp0 was not nice... |
| 02:59.53 | abrotman | riot: being connected is a problem ? |
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| 03:00.07 | bernardo | jmd_: and sorry about the inconvenience... |
| 03:00.10 | johnnybezak | hey guys i'm running dapper and checkinstall is segfaulting, is there another way to create .deb's? |
| 03:00.25 | riot | this irssi is running on the machine having the isdn-card, but ip works over some router connected to eth0 |
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| 03:00.42 | useruser | I have a patch for a debian bug. How can I send it to the bts by email? |
| 03:00.48 | abrotman | !reportbug |
| 03:00.49 | dpkg | somebody said reportbug was used to submit bugs to the Debian BTS. install reportbug, then run reportbug. |
| 03:01.03 | useruser | don't wanna do that, I want to use email |
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| 03:01.22 | useruser | sans reportbug |
| 03:01.28 | riot | useruser: why come to this channel then? |
| 03:01.41 | useruser | riot: in order to find out how to do that |
| 03:01.47 | abrotman | user--: go to bugs.debian.org .. read how to do it |
| 03:02.01 | jmd_ | bernardo: no problem. |
| 03:02.11 | useruser | abrotman: tried that, can't see it. i'll hunt around some more... |
| 03:02.23 | abrotman | useruser: it's the first freaking link |
| 03:02.36 | abrotman | you know .. the "How to report a bug" .. that might be useful |
| 03:02.44 | useruser | abrotman: ah, thanks |
| 03:02.53 | abrotman | yeah .. that was hard to see |
| 03:02.56 | useruser | :) |
| 03:03.37 | runedude | out of curosity, does itunes restore music you paid for? |
| 03:03.47 | abrotman | wrong channel ? |
| 03:03.50 | runedude | i know :\ |
| 03:03.55 | runedude | ill bbl.. cya |
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| 03:04.24 | jmd_ | Has anyone managed to get the gnome applets in etch to work? |
| 03:04.25 | riot | WTF.. isdnlog tells me "Everything is fine, isdnlog-4.57 is running in full featured mode."... can't get it... just out of nowhere |
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| 03:04.38 | riot | I'm calling meself to test :D |
| 03:04.54 | abrotman | jmd_: yes .. they work for me ... |
| 03:04.55 | kspath | one channel to the other channel? |
| 03:05.08 | abrotman | jmd_: do you mean gdesklets or gnome applets? |
| 03:05.12 | kspath | riot: one channel to the other channel? |
| 03:05.25 | bernardo | jmd_: let me ask you something else...Im running gnome, so yesterday my keyboard was working fine, and with no logical reason today the 'backslash' key is not working. I already tested it on another computer and the keyboard is fine. Do you know what may have cause this |
| 03:05.32 | riot | kspath: no. from mobile.. hmhmm.. nothing received.. gotta check cabling again |
| 03:05.42 | jmd_ | abrotman: I thought they were called applets. Things like volume control |
| 03:05.49 | kspath | riot: ummm do you know that ISDN is? |
| 03:05.52 | abrotman | yeah .. the gnome-applets .. they work for me |
| 03:06.13 | abrotman | jmd_: do you have any panels ? .. right click on the panel and "Add to Panel" |
| 03:06.17 | jetscreamer | kspath apparently that can be done in germany |
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| 03:06.25 | kspath | wow |
| 03:06.42 | kspath | digital phone isdn ok |
| 03:06.50 | jetscreamer | and afaict he jus tuses the isdn for voice |
| 03:06.54 | jetscreamer | ya |
| 03:07.07 | kspath | I assumed wrongly digital |
| 03:07.21 | jmd_ | abrotman: Whenever I do this, I get an error dialog saying: "The panel encountered a problem while loading OAFID:GNOME_MixerApplet" |
| 03:07.35 | abrotman | jmd_: well .. that's a bit better |
| 03:07.48 | riot | kspath: sure, i know, what isdn is. |
| 03:08.02 | abrotman | jmd_: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=gnome-panel .. start reading :) |
| 03:08.09 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:08.09 | riot | i can use one chan to call the other one. even using ONE phone. |
| 03:08.13 | jetscreamer | vege |
| 03:08.16 | kspath | riot: sorry, I was a tech years ago support ISDN for an ISP |
| 03:08.20 | riot | but the isdn-card on the other channel doesn't see NUTS |
| 03:08.36 | riot | (which it USED to do, before it went broke..) |
| 03:08.41 | kspath | riot: I made some incorrect assumeptions |
| 03:08.53 | curt | raw >> Durin> runedude: hm, time for an mke2fs -j i think |
| 03:09.02 | riot | kspath: thats not unusual, since there are so many different possibilities to set up isdn :) |
| 03:09.12 | abrotman | curt: tune2fs ? |
| 03:09.33 | curt | abrotman, I think runedude was misinformed |
| 03:09.52 | curt | abrotman, no biggie I guess, he;s gone now... |
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| 03:10.09 | jmd_ | abrotman: Thanks. |
| 03:10.16 | abrotman | jmd_: find it ? |
| 03:10.16 | riot | the thing is, i wasn't using isdn4linux a LONG time (since it went b0rked) but now i want to use an asterisk to VoIP into ISDN using my own line... (i've ordered some nice DECT-Phone to use via local isdn to call my local asterisk to divert either to VoIP or ISDN) |
| 03:10.24 | bernardo | beardy: are you running sarge? |
| 03:10.56 | jmd_ | abrotman: There doesn't seem to be a definite solution to the problem. But it discusses some things to try. |
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| 03:11.14 | abrotman | jmd_: the second one down seems to be very similar to yours |
| 03:11.26 | kspath | riot: your ISDN device has 1 or 2 POTS on it? or is that only US? |
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| 03:12.40 | cr3 | I'm trying to cat a file on a DOS mounted floppy and I get: Read error: Input/output error |
| 03:12.41 | bernardo | is deadcat in the house? |
| 03:12.42 | riot | kspath: i don't know what you mean. my s0-bus has two channels (+d-chan), both having 64kbit but all i want to do is voice.. (and maybe some bbs, ok.. but no ppp) |
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| 03:12.48 | cr3 | any ideas what might be the problem? |
| 03:13.03 | abrotman | !vfatrw |
| 03:13.04 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS, if you replace "vfat" with "ntfs" (although you can't currently easily _write_ to NTFS with Linux).. |
| 03:13.12 | jmd_ | abrotman: Indeed. I'll try purging and reloading those packages like it suggests. |
| 03:13.23 | abrotman | good plan :) |
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| 03:13.43 | cr3 | abrotman, I have that in my fstab and I also have: noauto,showexec |
| 03:13.51 | kspath | riot: POTS is the Plain Olde Telephone Service connectors we have/use in the US RJ-11? |
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| 03:14.26 | riot | kspath: no, i have direct isdn. this is germany, the inventor-land of isdn (afaik) ;) |
| 03:14.40 | cr3 | abrotman, I have also mounted /floppy as myself, so the ownerships and permissions look fine |
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| 03:15.09 | cr3 | abrotman, however, if the problem was just with permissions, I probably wouldn't get an input/output error but rather a permission denied error. |
| 03:15.11 | daneturner | does firefox use /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt in Debian? Does mozilla? |
| 03:15.14 | tobehz | hell yea, 3 thin crust pepperoni pizzas |
| 03:15.17 | kspath | riot: Your regular telephones are all ISDN? |
| 03:15.19 | abrotman | cr3: it's possible the floppy is shot |
| 03:15.21 | jmd_ | bernardo: No sorry I can only guess. Does it work in a terminal? |
| 03:15.27 | riot | kspath: though, i have some splitter, which (was used to) divert the old analog stuff and the digital line.. |
| 03:15.54 | cr3 | abrotman, the floppy works fine on windows. nevertheless, I still tried reformating the floppy with mkdosfs and I still get strange behavior afterwards. |
| 03:16.13 | jetscreamer | ya'll gayed out my vfat and ntfs factoids :( |
| 03:16.26 | abrotman | jetscreamer: i like !captiventfs |
| 03:16.37 | abrotman | cr3: if the floppy is broken . the floppy is broken :) |
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| 03:16.53 | riot | kspath: yes. i have one connection (POTS?) from one provider giving me (splitter)->DSL and one connection from another provider giving me (Splitter)->DSL+Splitter->ISDN+Analogue |
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| 03:17.07 | kspath | riot: In US we have/had 1 or 2 B channels of 56 or 64K and a D channel For some telephone companies you had to specify you wanted voice. |
| 03:17.15 | cr3 | abrotman, I tried another floppy that also worked on windows, still the same problem. the drive itself worked fine when I boot in windows, it's really weird. |
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| 03:17.22 | riot | yes, same here - but only 64 for private users |
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| 03:17.39 | cr3 | abrotman, it's as if I can read the file table but not the files themselves :( |
| 03:17.44 | fiveiron | anyone using xgl? |
| 03:17.58 | curt | !anyone |
| 03:17.58 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 03:17.58 | riot | but voice runs over isdn here. you CAN have an old analog line - but isdn is far more useful (e.g. you get 8 numbers and 2 dedicated lines) |
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| 03:18.14 | kspath | riot: NICE |
| 03:18.23 | riot | why is (!anyone) not referring to meta? |
| 03:18.31 | daneturner | mozilla/firefox ca-certificates knowledge anyone? |
| 03:18.41 | riot | kspath: yeaa, i told them guys here, but they tell me isdn and what i was using were OLD crap.. |
| 03:18.49 | roanbrasil | hoow can i config my WLAN in HP PAVILION 6110? |
| 03:18.54 | roanbrasil | itÅ› broadcom |
| 03:19.02 | abrotman | ndiswrapper afaik |
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| 03:19.10 | riot | kspath: problem is, my f**ken isdn-cards not working anymore :(( |
| 03:19.26 | cr3 | abrotman, I have also been trying a bunch of other tests, like copying a file from /tmp to /floppy. that works but, when I try to copy another file, I get: cannot create regular file: read-only file system |
| 03:19.34 | kspath | riot: ISDN is slow compared to good cable modem service but there are other things to consider. |
| 03:19.46 | cr3 | abrotman, isn't that weird, that happens on the second file I try to copy! the first copied just fine |
| 03:19.48 | riot | kspath: did you know about connecting _another_ card with crossed lines to the same bus?? You can listen to very interesting incoming protocol-messages then ;) |
| 03:19.52 | Linx_Noob | attempting debian floppy internet install... boot disk boots... get prompted for root disk... insert root disk & press enter... "No devices found!"... have tried linux root=\dev\hd?... floppy drive is an ls-120... I am a linux super noob... any help appreciated |
| 03:20.03 | roanbrasil | ?????? |
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| 03:20.12 | abrotman | cr3: filled the floppy? |
| 03:20.36 | riot | kspath: yea, i'd not use isdn for IP anymore.. it's VERY expensive to have online all the time.. they charge like 1,8 ct's per minute.. whereas 24 mbits cost only 20 eur per month |
| 03:20.36 | curt | or !floppy |
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| 03:20.44 | cr3 | abrotman, I'm only copying test files containing "test1", "test2". |
| 03:20.51 | abrotman | oh |
| 03:21.04 | cr3 | abrotman, I'm also naming my files in a way that will definately work on dos: test1.txt and test2.txt :) |
| 03:21.07 | kspath | riot: 24Mbps?!?!?! |
| 03:21.13 | jmd_ | Linx_Noob: check that the floppy drive is correctly configured in the BIOS |
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| 03:21.24 | cr3 | abrotman, this is really strange, I have never encountered such mysterious behavior |
| 03:21.28 | abrotman | cr3: try mounting the floppy sync |
| 03:21.30 | riot | kspath: yes, adsl2+. i'm a beta-tester, though.. ask the french.. they have that like.. 4 years now? |
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| 03:21.50 | curt | cr3, double check the fstab |
| 03:21.52 | cr3 | abrotman: "sync" is a mount option, right? |
| 03:21.53 | kspath | riot: The US is becoming 3rd world I tell you. |
| 03:21.55 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:22.04 | cr3 | curt, I have, looks fine |
| 03:22.16 | riot | kspath: is it?? our media is talking day in day out of _us_ becoming LAST in .eu |
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| 03:22.52 | kspath | riot: I did not understand you. |
| 03:23.22 | abrotman | he's german . go figure :) |
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| 03:23.38 | cr3 | abrotman, so far, sync seems to have fixed many of the problems I've encountered so far, thank! I'm running a few more tests to convince myself. |
| 03:23.46 | fiveiron | anyone using XGL? |
| 03:23.54 | riot | kspath: hmm.. our IT-Magazines and stuffs claim that germany is FAR behind, concerning bandwidth per user. |
| 03:23.56 | abrotman | noone uses it .. it sucks |
| 03:24.08 | curt | fiveiron, do yo have a question about XGL? |
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| 03:24.50 | fiveiron | curt: just wondering about the ease of setup on debian... i'm considering switching over my main workstation to linux |
| 03:25.00 | kspath | riot: I can not dispute that. I have nothing to compare. I only know what is available in significant portions of the US for anything close to 20EU per month. |
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| 03:25.10 | jmd_ | To which package have the gnome weather, cdplayer and volcoltrol applets been moved? |
| 03:25.18 | abrotman | gnome-applets :) |
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| 03:25.32 | cr3 | abrotman, there are still problems. I tried to vi a file in /floppy and got an error. then, when I listed the content of the floppy, everything was gone. So, I unmounted the floppy and remounted it, everything was back again. |
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| 03:25.34 | riot | AAAHHH. WTF... i just got some HINT... Hisax is NOT for 2.6-linux!!! They upgraded to misdn!!!! |
| 03:25.35 | curt | fiveiron, and xgl is a requirement? |
| 03:25.37 | jmd_ | abrotman: No. They're not there. |
| 03:25.42 | iostream | Hi. How do I pack a file with bzip2? |
| 03:25.45 | abrotman | jmd_: but i have them! |
| 03:25.50 | kspath | riot: Often 1.5Mbps -> 6Mbps is going to cost you 25-150 USD per month |
| 03:25.51 | fiveiron | curt: well... not necessarily, but i do really like it. :-P |
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| 03:26.13 | fiveiron | i've set up a debian box before... so i know it is easy... just checking on xgl support in debian |
| 03:26.16 | kspath | riot: Depending on the service options in your area(s). |
| 03:26.22 | cr3 | abrotman, here's another weird behavior that might be useful: mount /floppy; cp /tmp/test1.txt /floppy/.; sudo umount /floppy; mount /floppy; ls /floppy # test1.txt is no longer there! |
| 03:26.24 | riot | kspath: ok, if your in rural areas here, you WON'T even GET that |
| 03:26.25 | abrotman | !tell fiveiron about xgl |
| 03:26.33 | Linx_Noob | ls-120 is properly detected as primary slave...which type (atapi removeable, ide removable, user, cd-rom)?... currently set as ide removable |
| 03:26.34 | kspath | riot: Same here. |
| 03:26.34 | jmd_ | abrotman: what happens if you type dpkg -S gnome-weather ? |
| 03:26.36 | curt | fiveiron, it is possible in Debian if you have the hardware to support and wanna mess around getting it setup... |
| 03:26.43 | abrotman | cr3: did you mount it sync? |
| 03:26.58 | riot | kspath: but in cities like here, (which is not that big) you can already beta-test 24 mbits for 20 eur (6 costs 18 eur iirc) |
| 03:27.00 | cr3 | abrotman, yep, I added that to the list of options in /etc/fstab |
| 03:27.04 | abrotman | jmd_: not found .. i don't think that's what it is called |
| 03:27.05 | kspath | riot: Some rural areas are starting to get some services but those are rural RICH near major cities. |
| 03:27.43 | jmd_ | try grep -l weather /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list |
| 03:27.51 | abrotman | it's gweather afaict |
| 03:28.13 | ecliptik | I have vnc4server installed, |
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| 03:28.21 | riot | hmhmm.. sounds like WiMax has some chance in the us.. |
| 03:28.24 | abrotman | jmd_: dpkg -S gweather-applet-2 :) |
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| 03:29.01 | kspath | riot: There are still significant portions of the US that can only do "56K" dialup with is only 40-44Kbps down and 33.6kbps up if you are lucky |
| 03:29.23 | riot | you can have "dsl" via satellite here, if you're THAT rural |
| 03:29.46 | kspath | riot: sat is only downlink what is your uplink? |
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| 03:30.09 | riot | kspath: guess what :) |
| 03:30.10 | jmd_ | abrotman: You have a package called gweather-applet-2 ? |
| 03:30.11 | adamm | kspath: sat can be both down and up |
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| 03:30.27 | riot | adamm: yes, but not for same price as cheapass dsl in cities.. |
| 03:30.34 | abrotman | jmd_: no . i have an applet named that :) |
| 03:30.35 | curt | jmd_, isn't that part of gnome-applets |
| 03:30.38 | kspath | riot: The idea of rural in US is kind of a wide range. Some parts think 300 is a town/city. |
| 03:30.53 | riot | kspath: no, definitely not. not even in ger |
| 03:31.01 | kspath | adamm: You have uplink? |
| 03:31.07 | jmd_ | curt: I dunno. All I know at the moment, is that most applets crash as soon as I try to run them. |
| 03:31.15 | adamm | kspath: In canada 50 is a town :) |
| 03:31.25 | adamm | kspath: with 5Mbps DSL |
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| 03:31.41 | cr3 | abrotman, if I mkdosfs /dev/fd0, I get no errors but files still don't seem to stay after umount then mount |
| 03:31.55 | curt | jmd_, mine shows current weather, forecast and satilite... |
| 03:32.12 | abrotman | mkfs.vfat ? |
| 03:32.13 | kspath | adamm: SAT tech allows for uplink but even with geostationary that seems flakey and how many channels/signals can a little sattelite handle? |
| 03:32.25 | jmd_ | curt: When did you last apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade ? |
| 03:32.46 | cr3 | abrotman, that's not installed |
| 03:32.50 | adamm | kspath: I don't have sat. But I looked at systems where you can have down and up. But bandwidth is really slow. 512/64.. But it is better than nothing if you are 100s of km from nearest phone line |
| 03:32.53 | abrotman | !find mkfs.vfat |
| 03:32.54 | curt | jmd_, 'bout an hour ago, im kinda 8nal about that. |
| 03:33.03 | abrotman | 8nal ? |
| 03:33.04 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mkfs.vfat' (1): (/sbin/mkfs.vfat) in otherosfs/dosfstools. |
| 03:33.08 | curt | hehe |
| 03:33.15 | kspath | adamm: spraying down is easy but getting signal up to the sat is another thing. |
| 03:33.16 | jmd_ | curt: Are you using sid or testing ? |
| 03:33.25 | curt | jmd testing |
| 03:33.47 | abrotman | jmd_: i'm telling you it's there :) |
| 03:33.47 | jmd_ | So why the f!#$@ do they all crash for me? |
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| 03:34.19 | daedalus_ | kspath: the direction doesn't matter that much. Both suck, no matter how you cut it. |
| 03:34.36 | kspath | adamm: There are "towns" of less than 50 here also but they know that town is in the mind/idea. |
| 03:34.38 | cr3 | abrotman, however, if I mke2fs /dev/fd0, mount it, copy a file, I get: cannot create regular file: Input/output error. |
| 03:34.55 | cr3 | abrotman, I'm starting to wonder where the heck the problem might be :( |
| 03:35.04 | curt | !floppy |
| 03:35.04 | dpkg | i heard floppy is flop, flop, flop.. or don't copy that floppy! |
| 03:35.04 | abrotman | cr3: your floppy drive hates you! |
| 03:35.27 | kspath | daedalus_: Good point in general. I was only trying to point out how sat is good for spraying things down like TV or other signals like that. |
| 03:35.28 | jmd_ | curt: What's the md5sum of your /usr/bin/gweather ? |
| 03:35.31 | cr3 | abrotman, I find it so strange that the drive and floppy actually worked fine under windows :( |
| 03:35.38 | daedalus_ | kspath: and your datarate is not all that shabby, but the latency is death. |
| 03:35.39 | curt | jmd_, awe crap |
| 03:35.49 | kspath | daedalus_: hehehe |
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| 03:35.52 | jmd_ | ?? |
| 03:36.12 | abrotman | !find gweather etch |
| 03:36.22 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'gweather' (3): (/usr/lib/gnome-applets/gweather-applet-2) in gnome/gnome-applets ;; (/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/gnome-applets/gweather-applet-2) in gnome/gnome-applets-dbg ;; (/usr/share/gconf/schemas/gweather.schemas, /usr/share/gnome/help/gweather/C/gweather.xml, /usr/share/gnome/help/gweather/es/gweather.xml) in gnome/gnome-applets-data. |
| 03:36.23 | daedalus_ | kspath: yeah, most configurations are downlink centric, but it's not any harder really to design for the other direction. Just a different set of considerations. |
| 03:36.23 | cr3 | abrotman, is it conceivable that the problem is with linux support for this hardware? it is a laptop and it does seem to be able to access the device (emits sound), but it is a laptop and it might have issues with linux |
| 03:36.31 | abrotman | hey .. look at that! |
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| 03:37.21 | jmd_ | Yeah why do I have only /usr/bin/gweather instead of all those things? |
| 03:37.45 | abrotman | because you didn't install the applets? |
| 03:37.59 | jmd_ | I installed them about 30 mins ago. |
| 03:38.21 | abrotman | do you have the gweather-applet-2 ? |
| 03:38.30 | jmd_ | Not that I can find. |
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| 03:38.36 | curt | jmd_, 0e5d14324191575b08304f8653c7e35e /usr/lib/gnome-applets/gweather-applet-2 |
| 03:39.08 | jmd_ | I dont even have a /usr/lib/gnome-applets directory. |
| 03:39.16 | abrotman | 0e5d14324191575b08304f8653c7e35e /usr/lib/gnome-applets/gweather-applet-2 |
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| 03:39.44 | riot | huh.. i just see, active isdn-cards (which don't use st00pid isdn4linux (which is only for linux-2.4)) cost only 30 eur anymore.. (opposed to 700 which they cost 4 years ago) |
| 03:39.57 | SJrX | Does the debian 3.1 cd have rescue capabilities? |
| 03:40.02 | dar | someone is having problems to install IE with wine0.9.9 from wine repos ? |
| 03:40.52 | Defty | more importantly: why IE? |
| 03:41.13 | abrotman | dar: ask #winehq |
| 03:41.34 | dar | i'm web designer so, i have to my sites in IE, and.. some apps need IE in order to install |
| 03:41.40 | Defty | oh |
| 03:41.55 | dar | in previous versions of wine, i installed IE without any problem.. |
| 03:42.03 | abrotman | dar: ask #winehq .. |
| 03:42.09 | dar | ok.. i'm going to winehq.. thanks ! |
| 03:42.14 | dar | join #winehq |
| 03:42.18 | abrotman | / |
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| 03:42.55 | jmd_ | Now I'm getting "gnome-applets: Depends: libxklavier10 but it is not installable |
| 03:42.55 | jmd_ | " |
| 03:43.06 | jmd_ | wtf is xklavier ? |
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| 03:43.20 | jmd_ | I thought Klavier was a German piano |
| 03:43.20 | riot | microsoft really pulled some millions of webdesigners legs with IE *vbg* |
| 03:43.22 | divx-guy | hi all |
| 03:43.51 | divx-guy | any 1 can tell how to shutdown ipv6 module ? |
| 03:43.56 | divx-guy | can* |
| 03:43.59 | jarjar26 | Hi all ! What is the best JSP application server ? |
| 03:44.03 | abrotman | !any1 |
| 03:44.03 | dpkg | *** any1: No such nick/channel |
| 03:44.16 | abrotman | jarjar26: in debian? |
| 03:44.58 | jarjar26 | abrotman, yes |
| 03:45.07 | abrotman | isn't tomcat the only one in debian? |
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| 03:45.45 | vira | i'm trying to get a d-link ethernet pc card and an atheros wifi card to coexist peacefully in an old laptop. is there a way to force them to use different IRQs? the ethernet keeps complaining of transmit timeouts |
| 03:45.51 | jarjar26 | abrotman, i don't know .. i need to setup one for one of my client |
| 03:45.59 | jarjar26 | abrotman, i see Jboss , you know ? |
| 03:46.02 | abrotman | afaik tomcat is the only one in debian |
| 03:46.10 | abrotman | jarjar26: afaik .. jboss is not in debian |
| 03:47.01 | jarjar26 | abrotman, ok i will try Tomcat .. thanks ;) |
| 03:47.02 | fiveiron | curt: is there a tut for xgl in debian? |
| 03:47.12 | abrotman | jarjar26: and in sarge . only tomcat4 i think |
| 03:47.18 | abrotman | fiveiron: /msg dpkg xgl .. |
| 03:47.34 | divx-guy | ok guys thnx it fixed already :) |
| 03:47.36 | divx-guy | lata |
| 03:47.43 | worthy_ | . |
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| 03:47.52 | curt | fiveiron, lots /mgs dpkg xgl-howto |
| 03:48.00 | nzx | hey how can i check the speed at which my cpu is running ? |
| 03:48.02 | fiveiron | sweet |
| 03:48.07 | fiveiron | debian it is then... :-) |
| 03:48.13 | e-doll | NickServ IDENTIFY ihateto |
| 03:48.14 | riot | lol.. dpkg is so funny.. his knowledge about !suse is very profound (sez a german :) |
| 03:48.27 | curt | hahaha |
| 03:48.32 | riot | e-doll: that one was good. |
| 03:48.33 | fiveiron | now after i get that installed and xgl running my main goal is getting wine/steam/counterstrike working |
| 03:48.40 | curt | e-doll, probably aughta chage that one... |
| 03:48.47 | e-doll | NickServ IDENTIFY ihatetoregisternicks |
| 03:48.57 | e-doll | i wasn't finished with it |
| 03:49.02 | curt | hehe |
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| 03:50.00 | riot | e-doll: now identified? :) |
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| 03:51.12 | nzx | is there a command i can use to check my cpu speed? |
| 03:51.23 | stew | nzx: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 03:51.33 | e-doll | . |
| 03:51.33 | SJrX | Question where in hte kernel menu configuration is IDE Controllers, I can't find it? |
| 03:51.36 | e-doll | yep |
| 03:51.37 | nzx | stew, thank you |
| 03:51.41 | e-doll | thanks |
| 03:51.52 | sandman | Is there a command to make an ASCII banner our of a work? |
| 03:51.54 | sandman | word, rather. |
| 03:52.06 | abrotman | cowsay? |
| 03:52.12 | abrotman | wait .. that's not it |
| 03:52.14 | sandman | So like: banner hi would produce a big H made out of "H" characters and a big "i" made out of lots of i characters |
| 03:52.20 | e-doll | learning this bash is hard :-( |
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| 03:52.27 | e-doll | im on the advanced bash |
| 03:52.39 | nzx | hmmz, i turned on cpu throttling, but the speed stays thr same |
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| 03:55.44 | nixxie | is OCR any good on linux? just looked at gocr and clara websites but that didnt look too impressice |
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| 03:56.15 | abrotman | nixxie: have you seen good OCR on windows? |
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| 03:56.34 | jmd_ | Why does aptitude install -f want to remove apt ? |
| 03:56.37 | kjdis | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:56.40 | champ | what app do i need to untar and uncompress and all that in debian? |
| 03:56.44 | nixxie | yeah i used it a few yeears ago. worked pretty good |
| 03:56.57 | kjdis | champ: tar and bzip/gzip |
| 03:57.20 | kjdis | champ: tar and gzip will be installed by default, you might need to add bzip |
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| 03:58.09 | champ | i am on a nokia 770 |
| 03:58.21 | champ | so i need to find a debian package to dl |
| 03:58.44 | aidan | does anyone know where I can get a texvc package? source is under support files, http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=34373 |
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| 03:59.40 | kjdis | champ: apt-get? |
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| 04:00.34 | champ | apt-get? |
| 04:00.41 | champ | sorry, i am new to linux |
| 04:00.50 | naoliv | Hi. With an AMD Semprom 64 bits, is it possible to the AMD-64 version of Debian? Will I be able to create packages for amd64 and i386? |
| 04:01.14 | naoliv | (to use the AMD-64, instead "to the AMD-64") |
| 04:01.33 | abrotman | !pure64 |
| 04:01.36 | abrotman | !amdy64 |
| 04:01.39 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 04:01.39 | dpkg | methinks amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 04:02.01 | naoliv | Thanks abrotman. |
| 04:02.45 | stew | abrotman: are we going to buy tickets or what? |
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| 04:03.29 | aidan | # ./texvc gives me the error -su: ./texvc: No such file or directory |
| 04:03.38 | abrotman | stew: mebbe :) |
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| 04:03.42 | stew | lets do it |
| 04:03.44 | abrotman | stew: when is it? |
| 04:03.45 | aidan | texvc is +x and in the dir |
| 04:04.00 | stew | abrotman: day before opener? |
| 04:04.00 | kjdis | champ: apt-get is the pkg manager, but tar and gzip are prob already installed they are like standard |
| 04:04.03 | stew | or so? |
| 04:04.15 | abrotman | stew: there are two days |
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| 04:04.34 | stew | abrotman: i don't care which, i'd just rather lock it down sooner rather than later |
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| 04:04.48 | JRWR | does debain install have ite 821x support |
| 04:04.50 | abrotman | stew: both games at 1pm ? |
| 04:05.11 | abrotman | stew: you realize it will be basically all AAA players right ? |
| 04:05.11 | stew | abrotman: 4/1 |
| 04:05.22 | kjdis | champ: tar and bzip/gzip |
| 04:05.25 | kjdis | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:05.31 | stew | abrotman: they will have balls being thrown around and cracker jacks, right? |
| 04:05.44 | abrotman | stew: maybe strippers on the foul pole! |
| 04:05.46 | konfuzed | those canadians are gonna win both of those games anyhow |
| 04:05.57 | abrotman | huh? |
| 04:05.58 | stew | abrotman: no, not 4/1 |
| 04:06.09 | stew | crap this is what happens |
| 04:06.14 | abrotman | not 4/1 ? |
| 04:06.19 | abrotman | wife says not 4/1 ? |
| 04:06.34 | stew | yeah |
| 04:06.39 | abrotman | divorce! |
| 04:06.46 | konfuzed | hahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 04:06.49 | stew | she's the fan, not me |
| 04:06.58 | stew | is 4/2 an option? |
| 04:07.03 | abrotman | is 4/2 going to be doable .. or not sure yet? |
| 04:07.12 | abrotman | does she need to double check |
| 04:07.23 | abrotman | stew: she knows .. basically no MLB will be playing right ? |
| 04:07.24 | stew | abrotman: she booked 4/1 already (this is why we need to lock it down) |
| 04:07.40 | JRWR | does debain install have ite 821x support |
| 04:07.42 | abrotman | stew: so .. like no nixon/crisp/youklis etc .. |
| 04:07.43 | stew | i should just get her on here |
| 04:07.58 | stew | is cookie crisp on bos now? |
| 04:08.00 | abrotman | stew: she might freak out if she knew what really goes on in #debian :) |
| 04:08.22 | wireddd | JRWR, what is 821x? |
| 04:08.33 | abrotman | firewire ? |
| 04:08.35 | JRWR | its a IDE card, more of a RAID |
| 04:08.44 | JRWR | ITE 8212 |
| 04:09.36 | aidan | how do I make a package? |
| 04:09.42 | wireddd | what kernel version is the debian installer? |
| 04:09.51 | Ronin | aidan: put it in a box and wrap it |
| 04:10.06 | JRWR | srage |
| 04:10.07 | JRWR | sarge |
| 04:10.16 | JRWR | or stable |
| 04:10.25 | freeone3000 | Same diff... |
| 04:10.27 | kspath | stable is stable |
| 04:10.31 | wireddd | thats not a kernel version |
| 04:10.33 | freeone3000 | Testing has a diffrent kernel. |
| 04:10.40 | kspath | stable/stable etch/testing sid/unstable |
| 04:10.43 | Ronin | currently however stable is called sarge |
| 04:10.43 | freeone3000 | 2.4.27's the kernel I have. |
| 04:10.54 | kspath | sarge/stable etch/testing sid/unstable |
| 04:10.55 | wireddd | yeah but what kernel does the installer use? |
| 04:10.58 | JRWR | i would be using linux26 |
| 04:11.08 | freeone3000 | wireddd: uname -a? |
| 04:11.13 | JRWR | god only knows what 2.5.x it is |
| 04:11.21 | freeone3000 | wireddd: 2.4.27's here, but it's kinda old. |
| 04:11.35 | aidan | Ronin: heh |
| 04:11.47 | JRWR | 2.6.x* |
| 04:11.55 | aidan | I've compiled texvc from source, I'd like to keep everything package based, is it worth making a package for it? |
| 04:12.06 | wireddd | freeone3000, not what kernel does the system have after you install it, but the actual installer, what version of the kernel does it use? |
| 04:12.20 | freeone3000 | wireddd: I would guess the kernel it installs. |
| 04:12.48 | wireddd | so 2.6.x or 2.4.x? |
| 04:12.50 | JRWR | all i whant is ite821x mod for the installer? |
| 04:12.54 | JRWR | 2.6.x |
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| 04:12.59 | JRWR | for the installer |
| 04:13.05 | JRWR | (using linux26) |
| 04:13.20 | wireddd | > 2.6.9 should have the driver I think |
| 04:13.55 | JRWR | nope |
| 04:14.00 | freeone3000 | Where is my xmodmap file..? I can't seem to find it. |
| 04:14.00 | JRWR | it does not detect the HD |
| 04:14.08 | JRWR | i whant to install onto that HD |
| 04:14.57 | wireddd | and the raid bios does detect the hd? |
| 04:15.00 | JRWR | i know its call it821x |
| 04:15.09 | JRWR | YES i installed SuSe on it |
| 04:15.14 | JRWR | and im running it rigth now |
| 04:15.20 | deadcat | yay |
| 04:15.30 | JRWR | but SuSe SUCKS ASS |
| 04:15.34 | deadcat | )= |
| 04:15.57 | deadcat | freeone3000: make it yourself man xmodmap |
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| 04:18.20 | jmd_ | can someone give me a url to the etch i386 aptitude package ? |
| 04:18.34 | deadcat | jmd_: packages.debian.org |
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| 04:19.05 | jmd_ | deadcat: Is it working again? |
| 04:19.10 | deadcat | ya |
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| 04:21.35 | JRWR | i guess i could compile it on the fly?! |
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| 04:21.37 | junocake | I'm using vnc4server, but the window manager in ~/.vnc/xstartup won't display, only a grey X screen, even though the |
| 04:21.41 | junocake | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:22.15 | deadcat | junocake: can you startx locally on that machine or you dont have local access? |
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| 04:22.28 | kjdis | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:23.01 | JRWR | How do i install onto a Hardrive on a ITE 8212 Card |
| 04:23.16 | junocake | deadcat, normal X works fine, and I can connect to Xvnc when it's running through inet, it just doesn't work when I cann vnc4server :02 |
| 04:23.37 | deadcat | o |
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| 04:24.04 | riot | wow.. i just taught my first fact to dpkg.. didn't know, ordinary users were allowed that :D |
| 04:24.23 | Supaplex | m00! |
| 04:24.27 | junocake | strangely vnc4server was working fine up until this morning, then I couldn't start new programs, so I killed/restart it and it was just the grey X screen |
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| 04:24.39 | Supaplex | riot: what is it? :) |
| 04:24.41 | riot | ssshh.. haven't said nuffin.. |
| 04:24.55 | riot | Supaplex: ask him about siemens. That one's not only eleet... |
| 04:24.56 | deadcat | riot: you must be proud of yourself then |
| 04:25.07 | e-doll | hello |
| 04:25.16 | e-doll | is this thing stuck? |
| 04:25.28 | e-doll | ok i see it moving |
| 04:25.29 | Supaplex | !hello e-doll |
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| 04:25.35 | Supaplex | pffft |
| 04:25.48 | riot | deadcat: yes. I absolutely am. |
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| 04:26.41 | e-doll | was i kicked? |
| 04:26.51 | Ronin | you werent |
| 04:26.56 | e-doll | ok |
| 04:26.56 | Supaplex | e-doll: you left 21:25 -!- e-doll [n=e-doll@c-67-165-82-12.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has left #Debian [] |
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| 04:27.24 | e-doll | i seen all this scrolling and then put me back at the welcom msg |
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| 04:27.58 | e-doll | i don't know if i like this ksirc |
| 04:28.05 | e-doll | most of you guys use xchat? |
| 04:28.11 | Supaplex | Irssi 0.8.10 (20051211) - http://irssi.org/ |
| 04:28.13 | Ronin | not likely |
| 04:28.27 | e-doll | bitchX? |
| 04:28.37 | Supaplex | is tEh sux |
| 04:28.46 | Ronin | e-doll: bitchx, irssi, scrollz, mostly a term client of some sort i suspect |
| 04:29.18 | nzx | how can i check what version of ipw2200 i have installed? |
| 04:29.36 | stew | nzx: apt-cache policy ipw2200-source |
| 04:29.46 | e-doll | huh? |
| 04:29.49 | e-doll | what is popcon |
| 04:30.00 | Ronin | !popcon |
| 04:30.01 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 04:30.14 | junocake | is there a channel for VNC? |
| 04:30.31 | Supaplex | junocake: /list *vnc* maybe ... |
| 04:31.11 | junocake | nothing Supaplex |
| 04:31.20 | Supaplex | guess not then. |
| 04:31.37 | riot | Supaplex: it does not work that way. |
| 04:31.45 | jmd_ | What's all this stuff about Untrusted packages that aptitude is suddenly talking about? |
| 04:31.46 | riot | (at least not in irssi) |
| 04:32.25 | junocake | Supaplex, ummm, maybe there could be, I just got a "server to busy" message |
| 04:32.39 | Ronin | jmd_: exact msg |
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| 04:33.02 | jmd_ | Ronin: WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed! |
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| 04:33.05 | jmd_ | Untrusted packages could compromise your system's security. |
| 04:33.05 | jmd_ | You should only proceed with the installation if you are certain that |
| 04:33.05 | jmd_ | this is what you want to do. |
| 04:33.07 | riot | Supaplex: try finding this channel using your method (like /list *ebian* ) |
| 04:33.15 | ways | can any one telll me the commands to mount a usb hard drive please??? |
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| 04:33.25 | Supaplex | :-/ |
| 04:33.26 | dampjam | I'm trying to build a program that has instructions for building on redhat and says I need to have glibc-devel and libuuid-devel to get the proper header files... I know I can do apt-get source libuuid, but is there a good way to sources so their headers are included by default? |
| 04:33.29 | riot | ways: usually its "mount /dev/sda1 /mnt" |
| 04:33.42 | ways | ok thankyou ill try that |
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| 04:33.52 | Supaplex | dampjam: what are you building? |
| 04:34.02 | Supaplex | dampjam: /msg dpkg search |
| 04:34.08 | wireddd_ | I just don't see why so many people like irssi |
| 04:34.09 | ways | will i need to be in root? |
| 04:34.26 | dampjam | Supaplex: I'm building upnpsdk, something not there |
| 04:34.29 | riot | wireddd_: because its the supreme irc-client? No, we don't wanna start some flame-war now. |
| 04:34.59 | wireddd | I really want to know |
| 04:35.29 | dampjam | nm - I found the dev packages |
| 04:35.45 | riot | wireddd_: its unobtrusive, sanely default-configured, fast, has an integrated proxy, understands perl, is small, looks like mutt or slrn.. more? |
| 04:35.45 | Supaplex | dampjam: aptitude show libupnp0 :) I searched for upnp (w/o sdk). there's also a -dev lib. |
| 04:36.20 | wireddd | roit no that enough |
| 04:36.21 | Supaplex | wireddd: has less bugs and is more extensible then bitchx |
| 04:36.39 | riot | it just looks good :D |
| 04:36.45 | ways | riot it say i must specify filetype |
| 04:36.55 | ways | file system*** |
| 04:37.12 | Supaplex | wireddd: stays crunchy in milk, tastes great, less filling, no stupid quit messages, smart and flexible logging |
| 04:37.13 | ways | any ideas |
| 04:37.19 | Supaplex | !any ideas |
| 04:37.19 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of herring, a little sauerkraut, and 42 sex-crazed oxen. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few hours! |
| 04:37.28 | riot | rofl. that one was good |
| 04:38.35 | Supaplex | ways: you mean the filesystem type? man fstab, esp the "user" option, or consider automount* |
| 04:38.38 | Supaplex | or not... |
| 04:38.40 | riot | umph. |
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| 04:39.18 | riot | i was just typing lengthy similar stuff. inconsequent dau's.. |
| 04:39.25 | WireDDD_ | yeah irssi does seem better than bitchx |
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| 04:39.47 | riot | WireDDD_: iirc, bitchx comes with autorejoin enabled... thats somewhat stupid, already. |
| 04:40.18 | WireDDD_ | yeah |
| 04:40.22 | riot | but ok, if you don't just use defaults blindly, why not use bitchx... dunno.. it makes fun of you on /quit - using defaults |
| 04:40.35 | Supaplex | panasync is pretty cool, but the code base has been maintained by an armfull of people now. "spagettiware" |
| 04:40.41 | WireDDD_ | does it? let see |
| 04:40.58 | riot | hehehe.. |
| 04:41.25 | wireddd | the colors are to annoying |
| 04:41.32 | Supaplex | 21:40 -!- WireDDD_ [n=wired@66-188-72-233.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has quit [Don't look now, but this irc client is only as ghey as the user.] |
| 04:41.33 | riot | nice trick, if he hadn't had another client in here :D |
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| 04:41.35 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 04:41.50 | wireddd | odd why didn |
| 04:41.53 | wireddd | t I see that |
| 04:42.08 | riot | your client filtered that.. just like my password here: ***** |
| 04:42.14 | wireddd | lol |
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| 04:42.32 | Supaplex | man gullible |
| 04:42.39 | riot | ..can always try, can't I? 8) |
| 04:42.46 | Supaplex | >:) |
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| 04:44.15 | dondelelcaro | it's time for a replay of stupid bash quotes. |
| 04:44.16 | wireddd | someone needs to make an irc client called iirc just to add to the confusion |
| 04:44.41 | riot | dondelelcaro: you begin. |
| 04:45.11 | dondelelcaro | riot: you've already started. |
| 04:46.07 | Supaplex | dondelelcaro: you married? |
| 04:46.48 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 04:46.58 | stew | dondelelcaro: a/s/l? |
| 04:47.19 | Supaplex | ok, I'll stop with your (wife|gf) now. :-P |
| 04:47.59 | dondelelcaro | stew: old enough/yes, please/relocatable |
| 04:48.49 | SJ_Work | help! apache2 on deb3.1 seems to be ignoring my settings in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ like -Indexes and AllowOverride |
| 04:49.01 | stew | dondelelcaro: that's ok/that's ok/stay where you are |
| 04:49.05 | SJ_Work | is there something special I need to do on Deb? |
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| 04:49.35 | peterS | SJ_Work: aside from 'apache2ctl graceful' or similar, to restart the server? |
| 04:49.52 | SJ_Work | I did apache2ctl restart |
| 04:50.15 | peterS | AFAIK it's supposed to work like you think it should, then |
| 04:50.25 | peterS | not that I've played with multiple sites on apache2 on debian, mind you |
| 04:50.55 | SJ_Work | hmm. this is very strange. I even did a phpinfo() page to make sure apache2 reports having mod_auth loaded for .htaccess |
| 04:50.56 | Supaplex | SJ_Work: deb doesn't deviate very far from upstream source. explain what you expect to see, and what you're seeing right now. |
| 04:51.50 | dondelelcaro | there's no reason why mod_auth would ever not be loaded, since it's loaded by default last time I checked. |
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| 04:52.13 | SJ_Work | Supaplex: I have a <Directory> set with Options -Indexes and AllowOverride Limit AuthConfig |
| 04:52.47 | SJ_Work | then I setup the .htpasswd and .htaccess files but I can still get a directory index if I don't specify the php file |
| 04:52.56 | SJ_Work | and It doesn't ask for authentication |
| 04:53.14 | SJ_Work | oh I also have DirectoryIndex set for the main php file |
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| 04:54.06 | worthy | wow im on irssi and followed the first time directions |
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| 04:54.34 | worthy | can you guys see that whois? |
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| 04:54.41 | worthy | that i just put in the buffer? |
| 04:55.09 | worthy | i don't think i like this |
| 04:55.19 | worthy | it's like bitchx |
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| 04:55.47 | Supaplex | heh |
| 04:56.23 | [metatron] | What does someone's nick in bracket mean? |
| 04:56.32 | [metatron] | brackets* |
| 04:56.33 | noiesmo | hey all, i have tried to install ati linux driver and it didnt work, i am now trying to go back to vesa driver but am having no luck is there a way to purge the system of all xserver confige and then re apt xserver and get vesa back |
| 04:56.44 | peterS | [metatron]: that's to denote someone who likes to make life difficult for everyone else on IRC |
| 04:56.50 | stew | [metatron]: means they should change their nick to just plaintext |
| 04:56.52 | Supaplex | it means it's in fscking brackets |
| 04:57.32 | GPLGeek | noiesmo, can I /msg you? |
| 04:57.33 | EmeraldCat | Well, it was good while it lasted... |
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| 04:57.44 | noiesmo | GPLGeek, yes |
| 04:58.04 | peterS | EmeraldCat: sometimes the brackets also denote an attention whore |
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| 04:58.37 | SJ_Work | I even tried loading auth_anon just to see if it needed that for authentication |
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| 04:59.35 | EmeraldCat | peterS: heh, the two `brackets' in this channel are keeping rather quiet, no? |
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| 05:02.26 | EmeraldCat | noiesmo: won't `dpkg |
| 05:02.31 | EmeraldCat | --purge |
| 05:02.33 | nzx | what pakages do i need to install to get cpu throttling working in klaptop ? |
| 05:02.36 | EmeraldCat | do the trick? |
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| 05:03.24 | EmeraldCat | noiesmo: sorry abt. that; won't `dpkg --purge' to the trick? |
| 05:03.40 | EmeraldCat | meh, to -> do |
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| 05:04.32 | noiesmo | EmeraldCat, did it but when i re apt install files wont rewite as xorg.conf is customised |
| 05:04.48 | EmeraldCat | oh. |
| 05:05.40 | EmeraldCat | noiesmo: can't `xorg.conf' be removed manually? |
| 05:06.12 | noiesmo | EmeraldCat, will give it a go brb |
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| 05:11.15 | abrotman | !tell noiesmo about missconf |
| 05:11.22 | abrotman | !tell noiesmo about confmiss |
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| 05:14.14 | jetscreamer | !tell abrotman -about spellcheck :p |
| 05:15.16 | abrotman | i didn't misspell it |
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| 05:16.39 | Stevie | that's one ugly command line |
| 05:17.00 | EmeraldCat | abrotman: it's confmiss not missconf, right? |
| 05:17.17 | abrotman | yes ... /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 05:18.38 | Supaplex | !burp |
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| 05:21.51 | jetscreamer | !fart |
| 05:22.13 | Supaplex | !die |
| 05:22.14 | dpkg | I'll murder you supaplex! Slice you into bitsa and feed you to my children! |
| 05:22.23 | Supaplex | yippie! |
| 05:22.41 | Supaplex | you are what you eat :P |
| 05:23.07 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: die =~ s/bitsa/bits/ |
| 05:23.07 | dpkg | OK, dondelelcaro |
| 05:24.07 | wolaoye | after upgrading kde fr 3.3 to 3.4, i cannot login to kdm as non-root. in command-line mode or console, it is alright.what could be the cause? |
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| 05:26.40 | abrotman | !moo |
| 05:26.40 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 05:26.57 | stew | !popcon |
| 05:26.57 | dpkg | i heard popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 05:27.00 | abrotman | heh |
| 05:27.04 | abrotman | !abrotmoo |
| 05:27.05 | dpkg | maaaan! I am abrotmoo, hear me man, I weigh twice as much as moon, I'm a man, eating grass, factoid gas comes out my ass. I'm a man, you are too; join us all! type !moo. |
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| 05:27.47 | EmeraldCat | wolaoye: Perhaps KDE doesn't have the settings for users. I'd |
| 05:27.47 | EmeraldCat | check out the KDE Control Center=> System Administration=> Login |
| 05:27.47 | EmeraldCat | Manager=> Administrator Mode=> Users tab and see if something rings a |
| 05:27.48 | EmeraldCat | bell there. |
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| 05:27.52 | wolaoye | how about an answer for my question rather than all these rubbish? |
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| 05:28.00 | hbp | heyhey :P |
| 05:28.04 | d3-fault | sub |
| 05:28.06 | d3-fault | *sup |
| 05:28.09 | hbp | nothin.. |
| 05:28.11 | d3-fault | *what's up hbp |
| 05:28.13 | d3-fault | damn't |
| 05:28.18 | d3-fault | i can't type man |
| 05:28.23 | d3-fault | any luck with x? |
| 05:28.36 | nzx | hey, i cant adjust the volume with kmix, what can i do ? |
| 05:28.43 | hbp | no, none at all |
| 05:29.03 | d3-fault | sorry hbp but i've gotta work out my problem now |
| 05:29.13 | hbp | yeah i know, thanks for all your help though :) |
| 05:29.16 | d3-fault | yeah np |
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| 05:30.23 | EmeraldCat | wolaoye: Sorry for the mini-flood: I got that info from here: (See the third response.) http://groups.google.com/group/linux.gentoo.user/browse_thread/thread/351f4c7bfaf47d7c/3034e842dc612d5b%233034e842dc612d5b?sa=X&oi=groupsr&start=2&num=3 |
| 05:30.54 | nzx | do i need to install arts? |
| 05:31.10 | jetscreamer | d3? |
| 05:31.17 | d3-fault | jetscreamer: yes? |
| 05:31.32 | jetscreamer | what doom3 isn't working? |
| 05:31.39 | d3-fault | ah |
| 05:32.02 | d3-fault | anyway does anyone in here have some experience setting up a wireless bridge |
| 05:32.04 | d3-fault | ? |
| 05:32.11 | d3-fault | i'm having some serious problems with it |
| 05:32.15 | jetscreamer | ahoknm |
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| 05:32.48 | EmeraldCat | wolaoye: As I was saying, KDE probably `forgot' about all the other users when you upgraded, so maybe you should check out the Users Configuration Settings in KDE. |
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| 05:33.20 | d3-fault | anyone at all? |
| 05:33.26 | Supaplex | !anyone |
| 05:33.26 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 05:34.17 | d3-fault | i did ask a real question |
| 05:34.19 | Supaplex | d3-fault: have you considered the bridging how to? Have you considered telling us what hangups you've encountered so far? |
| 05:34.28 | d3-fault | no luck with bridge-utils |
| 05:34.39 | Dwonis | Hi guys/gals! |
| 05:34.43 | d3-fault | but if someone wants to help me debug the problem i would be more than happy to go throug it again |
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| 05:34.49 | d3-fault | *through |
| 05:35.23 | d3-fault | i'm using a wmp54gs wireless pci card and generic nic |
| 05:35.40 | EmeraldCat | d3-fault: try this: http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-wap.html?ca=dnt-429 |
| 05:35.49 | d3-fault | obviously attempting to go (network -> switch -> bridge -> wrt54g router) |
| 05:36.22 | EmeraldCat | Dwonis: Hello guy/gal! ;) |
| 05:36.32 | d3-fault | alright EmeraldCat cat i'll go through it |
| 05:36.32 | Dwonis | heh |
| 05:36.39 | d3-fault | let you guys know what happens when i finish |
| 05:36.42 | d3-fault | just a minute |
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| 05:41.43 | Supaplex | when d3-fault's finished, I think we stir the potatos, recover and heat on 50% power for another 2 minutes. |
| 05:43.10 | jetscreamer | pot roast? |
| 05:43.20 | jetscreamer | or instant mashed |
| 05:43.29 | abrotman | cooked in two minutes ? you live in a nuclear power plant? |
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| 05:45.36 | fer0zzz | hola |
| 05:45.47 | fer0zzz | hay alguien ahi? |
| 05:46.00 | abrotman | !es |
| 05:46.00 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 05:46.10 | fer0zzz | es la primera vez que me meto en un canal de IRC |
| 05:46.42 | fer0zzz | jeje |
| 05:46.46 | jetscreamer | !fr |
| 05:46.46 | dpkg | fr is, like, Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debianfr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debianfr |
| 05:46.50 | fer0zzz | que es esto??? |
| 05:46.54 | jetscreamer | or is that spanish |
| 05:46.57 | jetscreamer | !es |
| 05:46.57 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 05:46.59 | Dwonis | jetscreamer: It's not french |
| 05:47.04 | jetscreamer | ya |
| 05:47.12 | unix_infidel | LOL |
| 05:47.14 | fer0zzz | yeah it's spanish |
| 05:47.29 | fer0zzz | it's my spanish |
| 05:47.40 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 05:47.44 | fer0zzz | what's the truco? |
| 05:47.45 | jetscreamer | nevermind |
| 05:48.25 | d3-fault | yeah still not working |
| 05:48.38 | fer0zzz | ohh |
| 05:48.45 | d3-fault | created the bridge br0 |
| 05:48.51 | d3-fault | added each interface to the bridge |
| 05:48.57 | d3-fault | wlan0 and eth0 |
| 05:49.02 | d3-fault | started the bridge |
| 05:49.10 | deadcat | !tell d3-fault about enter |
| 05:49.17 | d3-fault | yeah sorry about that |
| 05:49.44 | fer0zzz | mmm??? |
| 05:50.11 | d3-fault | I'll stop now. So it still doesn't work. I am hoping to run dhclient on my desktop and obtain an ip address from my router. |
| 05:50.33 | d3-fault | I would prefer not to setup a dhcpd on the bridge. |
| 05:51.30 | Dwonis | d3-fault: Being a bridge, I would guess that you should be able to do that. |
| 05:51.45 | d3-fault | Yeah. |
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| 05:52.36 | Dwonis | I'm not all that familiar with Linux bridging, but I know that DHCP packets start out as broadcasts, so you might have to configure the bridge to repeat broadcasts |
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| 05:53.09 | d3-fault | ok that sounds great, now how would I do that? |
| 05:53.17 | Dwonis | no idea. :) |
| 05:53.21 | EmeraldCat | d3-fault: Here is the Linux Bridging HOWTOs that Supaplex was probably talking about: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/networking.html#NETBRIDGE |
| 05:53.33 | d3-fault | Yeah, iptables maybe? |
| 05:53.54 | d3-fault | EmeraldCat: thanks. |
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| 05:54.33 | edolly^ | i had to reregister |
| 05:54.59 | Doctor | heh |
| 05:55.36 | Mr0bvious | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:55.58 | abrotman | it's most likely /dev/psaux or /dev/input/mice .. should be the latter |
| 05:56.04 | Mr0bvious | X won't start because it doesn't know what it is. |
| 05:56.13 | unix_infidel | Mr0bvious: laptop? |
| 05:56.16 | hbp | x wont start for me cus my video card i guess |
| 05:56.18 | abrotman | Mr0bvious: usb mouse ? |
| 05:56.34 | Mr0bvious | PS/2 I think. |
| 05:56.47 | abrotman | load psmouse and mousedev .. then try /dev/input/mice |
| 05:56.49 | Mr0bvious | Desktop |
| 05:57.12 | jetscreamer | less /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see |
| 05:57.20 | jetscreamer | don't guess |
| 05:57.42 | Mr0bvious | The commands psmouse and mousedev don't exist on my system. Is it something I add to something? |
| 05:57.52 | jetscreamer | modprobe psmouse |
| 05:57.57 | jetscreamer | modprobe mousedev |
| 05:57.57 | Mr0bvious | Oh lol. |
| 05:58.17 | hbp | do you know why it says no screen found for me? |
| 05:58.18 | Mr0bvious | Cannot locate module psmouse :| |
| 05:58.23 | jetscreamer | less /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see |
| 05:58.27 | jetscreamer | hpb^^ |
| 05:58.28 | Mr0bvious | But I did mousedev |
| 05:58.34 | Mr0bvious | jetscreamer: me too? |
| 05:58.40 | jetscreamer | sure |
| 05:58.56 | Mr0bvious | in /dev/input I have mice, mouse0-3 |
| 05:58.58 | jetscreamer | helps to know what the error is |
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| 05:59.55 | Mr0bvious | Yay X started :woot: |
| 06:00.06 | unix_infidel | lol. |
| 06:00.55 | Mr0bvious | But now my mouse doesn't work :| |
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| 06:01.23 | unix_infidel | Mr0bvious: try a pastebin of xorg.conf. |
| 06:01.33 | jetscreamer | you might try psaux instead of /dev/input/mice |
| 06:01.55 | unix_infidel | psaux is usually for touchpad devices iirc. |
| 06:01.58 | jetscreamer | and imps2 vs ps2 relates to the wheel on the mouse |
| 06:02.00 | dannyp | Mr0bvious: and the X startup messages, while you're at it |
| 06:02.04 | jetscreamer | it's for ps2 here |
| 06:02.14 | hbp | i have XFree86.0.log and i dont understand how it helps me |
| 06:02.27 | jetscreamer | hbp: find the (EE) 's |
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| 06:02.28 | Mr0bvious | unix_infidel: I don't have xorg.conf |
| 06:02.43 | unix_infidel | Mr0bvious: you dont have an xorg.conf file setup? |
| 06:02.43 | jetscreamer | then it's XF86Config-4 |
| 06:02.49 | Mr0bvious | It's some kind of XF86free.conf. And I don't know how to paste to pastebin.com from CLI. |
| 06:02.57 | quiet | what do i have to do to get php to recognize mysql?? running etch.. apache 2.0, php4, mysql 5.0 |
| 06:03.04 | unix_infidel | screen i suppose could do that. |
| 06:03.38 | hbp | says no devices detected |
| 06:03.41 | Mr0bvious | Lemme try a reboot to see if my mouse works. |
| 06:03.43 | hbp | is the only (EE) |
| 06:03.47 | Mr0bvious | It might be because it's PS/2............. |
| 06:03.48 | unix_infidel | Mr0bvious: reboot? |
| 06:03.49 | jetscreamer | which device |
| 06:03.50 | Dwonis | !apt-cache search ^php mysql |
| 06:03.50 | Mr0bvious | Yeah. |
| 06:03.51 | Linx_Noob | still attempting to install debain via network / floppy, boot disk boots, prompts for root disk, insert and press enter and get "No device found!", floppy is an ls-120, have tried removable atapi & removable ide bios settings based on earlier suggestion, why do i get this error? |
| 06:03.51 | unix_infidel | for what? |
| 06:04.00 | Mr0bvious | My mouse is PS/2 and it might need a reset to detect it. |
| 06:04.06 | Mr0bvious | I'll be back lol. |
| 06:04.10 | unix_infidel | lol. |
| 06:04.22 | hbp | and no screen found |
| 06:04.33 | jetscreamer | 'which' device isn't found |
| 06:04.42 | Dwonis | quiet: have you tried to install php4-mysql ? |
| 06:04.44 | jetscreamer | your vid card? |
| 06:04.49 | hbp | i think |
| 06:04.56 | quiet | Dwonis: php4-mysql is for 1.3.34 |
| 06:05.00 | jetscreamer | what kind of vid card |
| 06:05.03 | hbp | ati |
| 06:05.06 | quiet | Dwonis: yes, i did. |
| 06:05.19 | quiet | and it installed apache-common-1.3.34 |
| 06:05.30 | Dwonis | quiet: Is the mysql extension set up in your php.ini ? |
| 06:05.36 | quiet | Dwonis: yes. |
| 06:05.39 | quiet | mysql.so |
| 06:05.57 | jetscreamer | hbp: as root, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and choose ati and medium when asked.. unless you already did. |
| 06:06.05 | hbp | i did |
| 06:06.25 | hbp | but ill try again |
| 06:06.51 | jetscreamer | hbp: do you know which chipset in the vid card? |
| 06:06.54 | jetscreamer | or what card is it |
| 06:06.58 | Dwonis | quiet: I'm not sure what php4-mysql has to do with apache... |
| 06:07.03 | Defty | If I want to use a certain g++ version (say 3.4) and also want wineg++ to use it, how should I make g++ to point to the specific version? |
| 06:07.14 | unix_infidel | hmmm, boredom sucks :( |
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| 06:07.33 | quiet | Dwonis: you're welcomed to try to install it and see for yourself... i'm not sure either. |
| 06:07.35 | jetscreamer | gcc is a symlink that points to a specific version |
| 06:07.40 | Mr0bvious | Hmm. |
| 06:07.41 | Dwonis | quiet: Can you tell us a bit more information about your setup? What have you tried, what specifically is failing, etc. |
| 06:07.42 | |xbm-x|valinux| | i love wine when i'm coding... |
| 06:08.01 | Defty | jetscreamer: so .. is there some 'right' way to make it point elsewhere? |
| 06:08.08 | quiet | Dwonis: apache2.0 is running... php4 is working.. phpinfo page does not see mysql |
| 06:08.09 | LinuxNIT | what is a good program for DV capture in debian? |
| 06:08.23 | quiet | i edited /etc/php4/apache2/php.ini to incomment mysql.so to no avail. |
| 06:08.24 | GoAuLd | kino |
| 06:08.26 | hbp | what is the video cards bus identifier? |
| 06:08.28 | jetscreamer | Defty: maybe via the alternatives.. man alternatives |
| 06:08.29 | Mr0bvious | I might be able to copy my XF86Config.conf to an apache web server. |
| 06:08.43 | GoAuLd | linuxnit kino |
| 06:08.51 | jetscreamer | hbp leave it blank ... agp is PCI:1:0:0 though |
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| 06:08.59 | Dwonis | quiet: Are you using CGI php, or the apache server module? |
| 06:09.05 | hbp | leave it blank |
| 06:09.05 | hbp | ok |
| 06:09.06 | LinuxNIT | GoAuLd, thanks |
| 06:09.06 | Defty | jetscreamer: yeah I just don't know what "alternative" it'd be ... well thanks anyway |
| 06:09.16 | quiet | Dwonis: I installed 'php4' |
| 06:09.23 | jetscreamer | Defty: try update-alternatives --all |
| 06:09.24 | Mr0bvious | Ok, I shall try to see if I can copy my config file |
| 06:09.27 | jetscreamer | if you want |
| 06:09.35 | quiet | Dwonis: it automatically configures apache2.0 to use php4 |
| 06:09.42 | unix_infidel | Mr0bvious: i believe if you are in a screen session you can just copy into elinks. |
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| 06:09.54 | Mr0bvious | http://binary.no-ip.org/XF86Config-4 |
| 06:10.00 | Defty | jetscreamer: didn't ask me about compilers :-) |
| 06:10.03 | Mr0bvious | unix_infidel: I'm in TTY. |
| 06:10.16 | Dwonis | quiet: Is libapache2-mod-php4 (NOT libapache-mod-php4) installed? |
| 06:10.18 | Mr0bvious | Tell me the above link works. |
| 06:10.21 | unix_infidel | yes. |
| 06:10.26 | Mr0bvious | Yay! |
| 06:10.30 | Defty | or rather there was "only one program providing cpp" |
| 06:10.37 | jetscreamer | Defty: there is some environment variable you can set, but i don't know which to do or what to do |
| 06:10.37 | Mr0bvious | Ok now, what else do you need me to copy? |
| 06:10.43 | Mr0bvious | You said the log? |
| 06:10.46 | unix_infidel | Mr0bvious: yesm |
| 06:10.50 | quiet | Dwonis: it is. |
| 06:11.11 | jetscreamer | what kind of card is it Mr0bvious |
| 06:11.19 | Mr0bvious | What file in particular? |
| 06:11.21 | Dwonis | quiet: stupid question, but did you restart apache? |
| 06:11.25 | Mr0bvious | jetscreamer: What do you mean what kind of card? |
| 06:11.31 | jetscreamer | nvidia or ati |
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| 06:11.33 | quiet | Dwonis: of course ;) |
| 06:11.36 | unix_infidel | jetscreamer: look at the file mate. |
| 06:11.39 | Mr0bvious | Nvidia. I chose the nv driver on install tho. |
| 06:11.41 | unix_infidel | its nv driver. |
| 06:11.42 | Dwonis | quiet: hmm |
| 06:11.46 | Mr0bvious | It's complaining about the mosue. |
| 06:11.47 | Mr0bvious | *mouse |
| 06:11.48 | Defty | blah, i'll just overwrite the links |
| 06:11.54 | quiet | Dwonis: i even restarted mysql.. even though that shouldn't matter |
| 06:12.17 | jetscreamer | Mr0bvious: redo it, take out glcore and dri, enable glx, say no to framebuffer |
| 06:12.22 | jetscreamer | fix the mouse |
| 06:12.40 | jetscreamer | mouse should work though |
| 06:12.46 | Defty | though now I get: wineg++ -> g++-3.4: no input files -> winegcc: g++ failed. |
| 06:12.48 | jetscreamer | Mr0bvious: you rebooted |
| 06:13.04 | jetscreamer | Mr0bvious: mousedev or psmouse arent loaded |
| 06:13.13 | Linx_Noob | when my system is booting debian from floppies with a boot and root disk, what is different about a floppy and ls-120... the boot disk contains root=/dev/rd/0, will this work for an ls-120? |
| 06:13.13 | jetscreamer | Mr0bvious: put them in /etc/modules |
| 06:13.14 | Defty | (or is it g++ returning a failior code..) |
| 06:13.25 | Dwonis | quiet: do you have an URL for your phpinfo script? |
| 06:13.29 | jetscreamer | Defty: beyond me |
| 06:13.37 | Mr0bvious | jetscreamer: Well I rebooted then typed modprobe to both of them. It complains psmouse isn't found or something and mousedev says that it's for mice. |
| 06:13.54 | jetscreamer | just put them in /etc/modules, won't hurt |
| 06:14.07 | quiet | Dwonis: just the <?php phpinfo(); ?> |
| 06:14.15 | Dwonis | quiet: right, but I want to see the output... |
| 06:14.25 | Mr0bvious | jetscreamer: Done. |
| 06:14.31 | jetscreamer | Mr0bvious: i told you what you need to do for that nvidia card though |
| 06:14.32 | quiet | oh.. i can try to copy it to pastebin.. there isn't an external address |
| 06:14.43 | jetscreamer | Mr0bvious: redo it, take out glcore and dri, enable glx, say no to framebuffer |
| 06:14.58 | quiet | Dwonis: i can copy the text of it to pastebin i 'spose |
| 06:15.01 | jetscreamer | take out/disable/remove the X |
| 06:15.07 | Mr0bvious | jetscreamer: How? |
| 06:15.11 | jetscreamer | !drxx |
| 06:15.11 | dpkg | rumour has it, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 06:15.14 | Dwonis | quiet: sure |
| 06:15.23 | Mr0bvious | Ok. |
| 06:15.34 | jetscreamer | Mr0bvious: exactly which nvidia card is it |
| 06:15.45 | quiet | http://pastebin.com/595845 |
| 06:15.46 | Mr0bvious | FX5500 or 5700 |
| 06:15.55 | Mr0bvious | It's supported by the drivers on nvidia's site. |
| 06:16.00 | Mr0bvious | I can install that later. |
| 06:16.15 | jetscreamer | ah ... not positive if nv supports it, but you said you had a gui no mouse so it works |
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| 06:16.39 | Dwonis | quiet: and your /etc/php4/apache2/php.ini file? |
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| 06:18.02 | quiet | http://pastebin.com/595846 |
| 06:18.09 | Mr0bvious | Yay figured it out. |
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| 06:18.15 | Mr0bvious | My mouse was /dev/psaux |
| 06:18.17 | Mr0bvious | :D |
| 06:18.42 | jetscreamer | dang why didn't i say that... |
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| 06:19.45 | d3-fault | Ok you guys, I installed dhcp3-relay on the bridge and told it where my dhcp server was, now when I run dhclient on my desktop it says dhcp offer from 192.168.1.1 (my dhpc server) but then goes on like nothing happened. |
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| 06:20.31 | d3-fault | eventually says no dhcp offers received |
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| 06:20.40 | Supaplex | humm |
| 06:20.46 | d3-fault | very odd |
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| 06:20.53 | Linx_Noob | can anyone suggest a link or resource about ls-120 and debain and/or doing a network/floppy disk install with an ls-120 beyond what is contained in the install guide? |
| 06:21.18 | d3-fault | i used dhclient on the bridge to obtain an ip address and I can ping the bridge from my desktop but I cannot ping my gateway |
| 06:21.42 | Mr0bvious | Ahh much better lol. |
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| 06:21.43 | d3-fault | and i can ping the gateway from the bridge |
| 06:22.14 | d3-fault | but can't ping the desktop from the bridge |
| 06:22.18 | vira | what's the package name that includes cpan? |
| 06:22.38 | akusarujin | i'm thinking about tarballing my entire root partition, temporarily, so i can preserve it on another system while i up the size of the root partition. when i do this, i intend to use tar cfjpv foo.tar.bz2 /<mountpoint for root> on a live cd.. does this sound reasonable (i.e. will this preserve all symlinks and permissions, and so on)? |
| 06:22.41 | Supaplex | search for it - /msg dpkg search (that's literal, don't add to it) |
| 06:23.06 | vira | thanks supa |
| 06:24.01 | SimonRaven | you want f last |
| 06:24.01 | Supaplex | akusarujin: rsync can be viable if you have enough disk space. no compression, but it preserves hardlinks etc (provided you use the right switches) |
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| 06:24.18 | vira | it seems there's no cpan package in stable? |
| 06:24.20 | d3-fault | Anyone have any ideas? |
| 06:24.27 | Dwonis | quiet: ls -l /usr/lib/php4/20050606/mysql.so |
| 06:24.38 | akusarujin | Supaplex, i've never used rsync before. wouldn't that overcomplicate things? (having to install a server/client for it?) |
| 06:24.45 | SimonRaven | or that |
| 06:25.16 | SimonRaven | akusarujin: you don't need to run as a daemon |
| 06:25.25 | quiet | Dwonis: mysql.so is not in there ;) |
| 06:25.27 | Supaplex | akusarujin: each to their own... rsync by default doesn't run as a daemon. |
| 06:25.30 | quiet | hrm |
| 06:25.31 | quiet | :\ |
| 06:25.36 | quiet | the file exists though |
| 06:25.39 | quiet | or.. folder |
| 06:25.44 | Jungleland | Amazing... a friend overwrote 80GB of his 264GB /video partition where he has his recordings from MythTV.. he got 130GB back.. thankyou xfs_repair..... |
| 06:25.48 | bbrazil | akusarujin: you don't need to tarball it, just extend the partition and then the filesystem from a live CD. A backup isn't a bad idea though |
| 06:25.50 | Dwonis | quiet: dpkg -L php4-mysql | grep mysql.so |
| 06:25.52 | SimonRaven | vira: none anywhere. what are you trying to do? |
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| 06:26.17 | akusarujin | i can't really extend it withany utilities that i know about |
| 06:26.21 | quiet | Dwonis: nothing returned |
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| 06:26.29 | vira | simonraven: i just want to install the 'cpan' shell, but it seems there is no package for it |
| 06:26.33 | akusarujin | i'm afraid extending it without repartitioning would cause more harm than good |
| 06:26.34 | quiet | Dwonis: i also don't have php4-mysql installed anymore. |
| 06:26.37 | Marudubshinki | why does debian shit all over my attempts to remove regular bash and replace it with the bash-static shell? |
| 06:26.43 | Dwonis | quiet: well that would be the problem... |
| 06:26.56 | quiet | Dwonis: but.. php4-mysql installs apache 1.3.34 |
| 06:27.00 | quiet | i don't want that |
| 06:27.39 | SimonRaven | vira: cpan='sudo perl -MCPAN -eshell;' #shell alias |
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| 06:28.01 | SimonRaven | like i said, there isn't any. |
| 06:28.11 | vira | ahh, thanks :) |
| 06:28.19 | Fear_cult | sid etch sarge or mixed? |
| 06:28.26 | Dwonis | quiet: If it does, you're doing something wrong. I just tried it on my machine and it works fine. Only apache2 packages are installed on that machine. |
| 06:28.50 | SimonRaven | Fear_cult: try being a little more vague |
| 06:28.51 | Dwonis | quiet: apt-cache show php4-mysql | grep Version |
| 06:29.07 | quiet | Dwonis: i just reinstalled it and it only installed that |
| 06:29.13 | quiet | i don't know what happened before. |
| 06:29.16 | quiet | but it's there now. |
| 06:29.22 | quiet | i think i need sleep. |
| 06:29.25 | quiet | thanks for your help Dwonis |
| 06:29.30 | quiet | good night. |
| 06:29.32 | Fear_cult | ok how much of a headache is it to run sid/etch vs running sarge |
| 06:29.32 | Dwonis | quiet: You probably didn't have libapache2-mod-php4 selected at that time. |
| 06:29.37 | Dwonis | quiet: no problem. later :) |
| 06:29.41 | quiet | Dwonis: you're probably right :) |
| 06:30.01 | SimonRaven | Fear_cult: depends |
| 06:30.14 | Mr0bvious | What do I use to upgrade to Debian unstable? |
| 06:30.20 | Mr0bvious | I can't remember the command |
| 06:30.25 | jetscreamer | dont |
| 06:30.32 | jetscreamer | go etch if you must |
| 06:30.38 | SimonRaven | Mr0bvious: if you have to ask, don't. sid isn't an upgrade |
| 06:30.47 | vira | simon: ok, so where do i get CPAN.pm? :) |
| 06:31.00 | Mr0bvious | :| |
| 06:31.09 | d3-fault | Ok I was just able to obtain an IP address from the dhcp server. |
| 06:31.09 | jetscreamer | etch is testing, sid is unstable |
| 06:31.17 | Mr0bvious | Well I'd like to use E17 but it requires a newer version I belive. |
| 06:31.29 | jetscreamer | !backports |
| 06:31.29 | dpkg | rumour has it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 06:31.37 | Marudubshinki | is there a reason debian seems intent on stopping me from using bash-static to the exclusion and detriment of regular bash? |
| 06:31.40 | d3-fault | But... I can only ping the brdige so it's no different from a static IP. I am not able to ping the gateway or any other box on the netowrk |
| 06:31.42 | d3-fault | *network |
| 06:31.45 | SimonRaven | vira: comes with perl-modules, which is likely installed already. if not, just apt-get away |
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| 06:32.01 | Dwonis | Marudubshinki: What's happening? |
| 06:32.19 | Marudubshinki | Dwonis: I symlink sh to bash-static, but my symlink keeps getting overwritten |
| 06:32.36 | Mr0bvious | On the E17 website it says it needs Debian Sid |
| 06:32.37 | Marudubshinki | and I get nasty little warnings saying apt-get is gonna keep doing that whether I like it or not |
| 06:32.39 | Dwonis | Marudubshinki: man dpkg-divert |
| 06:32.41 | Marudubshinki | or something like that |
| 06:32.44 | SimonRaven | Marudubshinki: update-alternatives covers it IIRC |
| 06:32.44 | Marudubshinki | Dwonis: thanks |
| 06:33.50 | SimonRaven | Mr0bvious: that's been up for a while... check the versions, and compare to etch's versions. i think you can get away with etch, but go check first |
| 06:33.57 | Dwonis | Marudubshinki: actually, you shouldn't need to do anything. hmm... |
| 06:34.20 | Dwonis | Marudubshinki: What does the warning say? |
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| 06:34.46 | Marudubshinki | Dwonis: off hand, I can't say. it appears only when I uprgade regular bash, which I'm not sure how to reproduce |
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| 06:35.08 | Dwonis | Marudubshinki: I just looked at the postinst for bash, and it only links /bin/sh if it doesn't already exist |
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| 06:35.40 | Marudubshinki | Dwonis: all I know is I pointed sh -> bash-static, and after an upgrade of bash, sh -> bash |
| 06:36.08 | james_ | I switched from xfree86 to xorg, and now my side buttons do not work anymore |
| 06:37.36 | noiesmo | need help need to get x back have tried to install fglrx driver and not working all i want to do now is get back to using either veas or radeon but not ahving any luck |
| 06:37.51 | Defty | um.. how would I find out which packages contain a given file, when I don't have the package installed..? |
| 06:37.59 | jetscreamer | you want the explorer/ps2 one |
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| 06:38.07 | jetscreamer | for the side buttons... |
| 06:38.11 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 06:38.21 | Dwonis | Marudubshinki: Odd. I can't reproduce it. |
| 06:38.42 | jetscreamer | !info apt-file |
| 06:38.44 | dpkg | apt-file: (APT package searching utility -- command-line interface), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.0.7 (sid), Packaged size: 11 kB, Installed size: 92 kB |
| 06:39.01 | Marudubshinki | Dwonis: hm. I'll keep pokking and prodding. might be peculiar to my setup |
| 06:39.04 | Defty | huh |
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| 06:39.23 | jetscreamer | i think that one |
| 06:39.39 | noiesmo | it keeps selecting fglrx driver but i dont have it can i replace with vesa in xorg.conf |
| 06:39.52 | james_ | jetscreamer, yah, they worked fine with xfree86, then i switched to xorg and they stopped working, with identical config files. both used the explorerps2 driver |
| 06:40.07 | Defty | jetscreamer: looks promising, thanks :-) |
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| 06:41.07 | Defty | apt-file update takes ages I guess. |
| 06:41.55 | Dwonis | !dpkg -S /bin/bash |
| 06:41.55 | dpkg | Package: /bin/bash: Status: install ok installed |
| 06:42.35 | jetscreamer | http://ftp.x.org/pub/X11R7.0/doc/html/mouse.html |
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| 06:43.43 | jetscreamer | not all that long |
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| 06:47.29 | noiesmo | got it thanks for the help |
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| 06:50.12 | Defty | err.. why does apt-file update take forever.. |
| 06:50.26 | Defty | in verbose mode it just hangs after the second 'curl' command |
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| 06:50.55 | Defty | don't know if it generates any traffic either |
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| 06:52.29 | wireddd | so when I switch from x to the console is there any way to blank my second screen instead of it just having corrupted text all over it |
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| 06:52.38 | james_ | jetscreamer, yes, i got it working with xfree86, it won't work with xorg |
| 06:53.58 | Defty | i guess it does, just moved on ... just incredibly slow as usually packages come megabytes/s and now nearly nothing moves .. |
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| 06:55.37 | Mr0bvious | What is the package for the X devel that I can apt-get? |
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| 06:55.55 | unix_infidel | Mr0bvious: x devel>/ |
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| 06:57.01 | valdyn | Mr0bvious: x-dev |
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| 06:57.07 | Mr0bvious | Yeah found it. |
| 06:57.09 | Mr0bvious | Thanks :) |
| 06:58.21 | valdyn | wired_: have you tried vbetool ? |
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| 06:58.43 | valdyn | WireDDD: have you tried vbetool ? |
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| 06:59.01 | WireDDD | valdyn, no should I |
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| 07:00.29 | aidan | what package provides xmllint and xsltproc? |
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| 07:02.47 | valdyn | !tell aidan -about search |
| 07:03.18 | WireDDD | valdyn, how do I tell it to only affect 1 video card? |
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| 07:03.33 | valdyn | WireDDD: no idea if that is possible |
| 07:04.22 | valdyn | WireDDD: the console however does not support multiple monitors at all so you need a hardware tool like vbetool |
| 07:05.15 | WireDDD | yeah I kind of assumed that |
| 07:05.47 | liable | i am trying to set the printer on my server with cups in links (over ssh) but every time i try and modify it, it tells me it cant verify that i am authorised to access it?? |
| 07:06.12 | valdyn | liable: you cant remotely change cups settings by default |
| 07:06.14 | WireDDD | valdyn, well it doesn't seem to do anything to either monitor.. |
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| 07:06.55 | liable | valdyn: oh. can i change that? |
| 07:07.00 | valdyn | liable: i dont know if / how links even supports http authentication ( do you even enter password / username ? ) |
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| 07:07.37 | liable | valdyn: it wont let me do that either |
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| 07:07.54 | WireDDD | valdyn, unfortunatly in console mode it only affects the screen that the console is on |
| 07:08.14 | valdyn | liable: maybe you need to use the syntax : http://username:password@server:631/ |
| 07:09.16 | valdyn | liable: vi /etc/cups/cupsd.conf |
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| 07:09.30 | wq | hello every |
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| 07:11.09 | valdyn | liable: look for <Location /> |
| 07:11.10 | wq | does any one know why? when i use root to exec vim ,the screen show me "Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 07:11.11 | wq | Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key |
| 07:11.11 | wq | cannot open displayXlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 07:11.11 | wq | Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key " |
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| 07:11.30 | valdyn | liable: i however prefer limiting cups to localhost and access config by just sshing into that box first.. |
| 07:12.20 | valdyn | !moron wq |
| 07:12.20 | dpkg | wq: You are moron #55 |
| 07:12.39 | Chiko_Medina | i have installed debian eatch , but my mozilla-firefox 1.5.0.1 not show flash movies |
| 07:12.41 | Chiko_Medina | help |
| 07:12.53 | valdyn | Chiko_Medina: apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 07:13.03 | madona | hi, can anybody help me with a problem I have with some image format stuff? |
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| 07:13.29 | kevix | Chiko_Medina: it does not come with flashplugin its non-free. debian is free software. DFSG free actually. |
| 07:13.35 | liable | valdyn: yeah, i messed with the /location, but i was shelling in first and using links, and it wouldnt let me.. thanks, trying a few different configs |
| 07:13.40 | madona | djpeg converts my jpegs in 256 bit deep colors ppms |
| 07:14.08 | valdyn | liable: if you shell in first and access cups from there you shouldnt need to change config |
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| 07:14.15 | madona | but I think I loosing deepnes of colors beacuse I read that jpeg is 24 bit deep |
| 07:14.29 | valdyn | liable: so i guess its just that you didnt provide username / password |
| 07:14.33 | WireDDD | !enter |
| 07:14.33 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
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| 07:16.22 | liable | valdyn: hrm, it didnt ask, it just said it couldnt verify if I was authorised |
| 07:16.47 | valdyn | liable: try the syntax for the URL i gave above.. |
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| 07:18.08 | dannyp | so I'm trying to write the value in register al to the address stored in ecx+13 in assembly using nasm... mov [ecx+13],al works as intended when I run the compiled program under the debugger, but when I run it without the debugger, it generates a bus error |
| 07:18.18 | dannyp | any idea what could be going on? |
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| 07:20.48 | kevix | dannyp: its been years since I seem asm, is [ecx+13] a legal address? |
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| 07:21.11 | dannyp | kevix: it is in this case, yes |
| 07:21.20 | dannyp | it works fine when I run it through gdb |
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| 07:21.52 | chance2105 | I run aptitude to update my box today .. everything goes as planned, except for some reason aptitude wants to delete a majority of the desktop packages because of "unsatisfied dependencies". What the heck .. did I break something? |
| 07:22.02 | valdyn | dannyp: something else is using that register and you're seeing a race condition ( wild guess ) |
| 07:22.26 | dannyp | kevix: it's been awhile for me too, to say the least. In my intro to computer engineering course I took a couple years back, we had a reference processor (we walked through designing good chunks of it at the gate-level in class) that we had to write ASM for. |
| 07:22.37 | dannyp | valdyn: but there's just one thread |
| 07:23.02 | Chiko_Medina | thanks valdyn |
| 07:23.06 | valdyn | dannyp: put popr and pushr around your assembly code? |
| 07:23.11 | Chiko_Medina | cya everybody |
| 07:23.18 | valdyn | dannyp: or wahtever the equivalent was for x86.... |
| 07:23.29 | dannyp | valdyn: what's popr do? |
| 07:24.09 | valdyn | dannyp: grab registers from stack / push registers to stack ( or vice versa ) |
| 07:24.18 | kevix | chance2105: the package database gets updated and sometimes all the requireed packages are there when this happends. so you wait.... an hour...a day and then this is fixed. I assume you are NOT using stable! |
| 07:24.24 | dannyp | I can just push and pop... |
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| 07:24.40 | dannyp | popr sounds like the other syntax |
| 07:25.03 | aidan | thanks valdyn |
| 07:25.04 | dannyp | the one thing I can't keep track of is all of these syntaxes. GAS and Intel... |
| 07:25.11 | valdyn | dannyp: yea, i was referring to the command that pops / pushes them all for function calls, you sure can just do the single versions too |
| 07:25.14 | dannyp | I get confused, because I'm writing in one and gdb gives it to me in the other |
| 07:25.18 | dannyp | oh, all of them |
| 07:26.01 | dannyp | pusha and popa |
| 07:26.10 | valdyn | dannyp: yea |
| 07:26.24 | kevix | valdyn: I was thinging of the 'safe thing' too. store the state before using it, then return state after using it. |
| 07:26.34 | valdyn | kevix: exactly |
| 07:26.40 | dannyp | valdyn: no change |
| 07:26.55 | dannyp | but what's the point? I'm not even calling anything |
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| 07:27.20 | chance2105 | kevix: I *am* running a Sarge box. I think I'm getting burned for being a naughty boy. I pulled in two packages from backports.org a few days ago. It's been uneventful, and I figured there would be no event since by default, all of the packages there are ignored. |
| 07:27.26 | dannyp | it's just 3 pesky lines |
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| 07:27.32 | dannyp | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:27.32 | dannyp | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:27.32 | dannyp | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:27.45 | valdyn | dannyp: i dont know which registers are in use already by the runtime |
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| 07:28.08 | araldit | I have a problem with my usb mic. The mic is working, so does my soundcard. However, when the mic is connected during boot this device gets to /dev/dsp and my soundcard doesn't work. If i reboot with the mic not in, the soundcard get /dev/dsp and sound is working. I then plug in the mic, and now it is /dev/dsp1 and also work. How do I map usb mic to dsp1 and soundcard to dsp without having to remember to unplug the mic? |
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| 07:28.16 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | hello |
| 07:28.19 | kevix | chance2105: what did you install from backports? |
| 07:28.23 | dannyp | valdyn: ecx contains a memory offset, immediately before those 3 lines I do xor al, al |
| 07:28.32 | dannyp | (or xor eax, eax, no difference) |
| 07:28.58 | chance2105 | kevix: libwxgtk2.6.0, libwxgtk2.6.0-dev, amule |
| 07:29.14 | stumbles | emacs |
| 07:29.55 | dannyp | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/595892 |
| 07:29.57 | chance2105 | kevix: make hat libwxgtk2.6-0, libwxgtk2.6-dev, amule .. at any rate, the wx package is there only for amule, and amule itself is the only package using any form of wx on my system |
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| 07:29.59 | kevix | chance2105: you might want to try this: comment out the backports lines. apt-get update. apt-get upgrade. |
| 07:30.09 | monk | can someone tell me how i would go about runing iptables at boot? i have a fw built and saved via iptables-save and i use iptables-restore, but i cant get it to load at boot |
| 07:30.21 | dannyp | valdyn: I probably should have changed the _syscall function to use the linux convention because of where I am |
| 07:30.54 | chance2105 | kevix: I did that, as well as move my /etc/apt/preferences file to another file. Now apt is quiet, but aptitude still wants to remove quite a bit of stuff. |
| 07:31.31 | kevix | chance2105: ok. so its an aptitude vs apt issue. |
| 07:31.35 | dannyp | valdyn: it gives the bus error on the second mov, not the first |
| 07:31.41 | chance2105 | kevix: synaptic as well says nothing is wrong |
| 07:32.00 | liable | valdyn: stupid config typo on my behalf (as usual) :) |
| 07:32.08 | dpm | I need to reinstall grub on my debian box, but it's got no floppy drive, so I basically need a bootable CD with grub, CLI and maybe a few gnu tools. Is there any debian "rescue CD" available for that? Or can I install grub quickly and easily with the debian ISO1 (sarge)? |
| 07:32.13 | valdyn | dannyp: so [ ecx+13 ] is not a valid address |
| 07:32.30 | kevix | chance2105: ok. aptitude has its own status db. so you may need to '+' so stuff, so that aptitude updates the state. |
| 07:32.31 | dannyp | valdyn: yes it is. it's the 0x09 byte |
| 07:32.34 | Supaplex | dpm: yes. check the wiki, it's not too tricky. |
| 07:32.36 | dannyp | at the end of hello world! |
| 07:32.45 | dannyp | if you don't believe me, change it from 13 to 5, same problem |
| 07:33.27 | chance2105 | kevix: so as to "re-install" each package, then? |
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| 07:33.52 | BlueFish | Hello |
| 07:33.56 | kevix | chance2105: what ever it wants to remove, I would assuem you apt-get install with a |
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| 07:34.04 | araldit | dpm: Ur grub is gone because of installing windows? |
| 07:34.14 | BlueFish | I'm having a bit of trouble installing Debian (sarge) |
| 07:34.33 | Supaplex | !tell BlueFish -about ask |
| 07:34.34 | monk | you can have ntldr boot you into linux.. |
| 07:34.47 | monk | dpm, |
| 07:34.50 | kevix | chance2105: what ever it wants to remove, I would assuem you used apt-get. and aptitude doest know that. so you '+' those and it will 'install' those but not go to the internet, just update the aptitude db. |
| 07:35.05 | dpm | Supaplex: thanks, I'm gonna check that out now. But I'm looking for something simple, that just boots into command prompt and let's me run 'grub install (hd0)' |
| 07:35.25 | Supaplex | dpm: the answer is yes |
| 07:35.27 | dpm | like a grub floppy |
| 07:35.29 | BlueFish | Okay then, My problem is simple yet annoying. |
| 07:35.35 | Supaplex | the cd will do just fine |
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| 07:35.45 | oliknoli | hello |
| 07:35.52 | BlueFish | I can install DEbain with little trouble, from two DVD's |
| 07:36.08 | BlueFish | however I need to install KDE and I'm not sure how! |
| 07:36.21 | oliknoli | anyone hwo can help a little with proftpd config?? |
| 07:36.35 | kevix | BlueFish: do a 'basic' install and then 'apt-get install kde kdm x-window-system' |
| 07:36.55 | BlueFish | apt-get install kde kdm x-window-system ? |
| 07:37.03 | kevix | BlueFish: yes. |
| 07:37.17 | kevix | BlueFish: it IS that easy! |
| 07:37.28 | chance2105 | kevix: Thanks, that did the trick. Now to see what is mucking which things from backports.org. Kinda scary to have apt "holding back" a billion packages. |
| 07:37.59 | Supaplex | we have a billion packages now? |
| 07:38.02 | araldit | dpm: I had the problem a few days ago. I installed windows and it destroyed grub, so I couldn't boot into debian. In this case I dl'd the visit.card size install disk from debian.org. booted as rescue. Did a partiotioning of the disk, whitout formatting them. Choose the right mountpoint, /, Home etc. When its done, go directly to the grub install option, and now grub is back on track. |
| 07:38.11 | kevix | chance2105: just use '=' on the backports |
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| 07:38.55 | oliknoli | i have installed and running proftpd server. how can i allow users to delete files?? |
| 07:39.26 | araldit | I have a problem with my usb mic. The mic is working, so does my soundcard. However, when the mic is connected during boot this device gets to /dev/dsp and my soundcard doesn't work. If i reboot with the mic not in, the soundcard get /dev/dsp and sound is working. I then plug in the mic, and now it is /dev/dsp1 and also work. How do I map usb mic to dsp1 and soundcard to dsp without having to remember to unplug the mic? |
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| 07:40.24 | kevix | araldit: you have a usb problem because when you boot the 2 sound devices are not consistently setup . |
| 07:40.46 | Slex | is the graphical debina-installer stable enough to use? |
| 07:41.00 | kevix | Slex: last i heard it was in beta |
| 07:41.43 | kevix | Slex: I dont see any danger in using it unless you use a hard drive with valuable data |
| 07:41.46 | araldit | kevix: Ok, that was what i thought. But where do I configure the mountpoint for this usb mic then? |
| 07:42.15 | Slex | Slex: well, it MIGHT mess up the partition table if something goes wrong |
| 07:42.18 | chance2105 | kevix: Ah, ok I see what's going on. It seems for whatever reason, the backports are overriding my regular, stable packages. Apt is trying to upgrade everything to what's in backports.org. |
| 07:42.20 | kevix | araldit: I think you need be become familar with UDEV device naming? not use how though. |
| 07:43.02 | kevix | chance2105: yes. package versioning is stable < backports < testing < unstable IIRC |
| 07:43.19 | oliknoli | i have installed and running proftpd server. how can i allow users to delete files?? |
| 07:43.29 | araldit | kevix: Well i have a lot of reading about udev. Seems straight forward. But is it only the udev that handles the usb stuff these days? |
| 07:44.04 | kevix | araldit: udev is for network cards, soundcards, memory stick... |
| 07:44.26 | chance2105 | kevix: Yes. Following the instructions on backport.org website, it has you set Pin-Priorities on the packages installed so that the backports don't take precendence on your system. This makes me wonder if, somehow, my /etc/apt/preferences file is somehow malformed |
| 07:45.04 | araldit | kevix: Thx. I will look at it. |
| 07:45.08 | kevix | chance2105: I think they say 'hold' can also work. that is what I use, ymmv. |
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| 07:46.26 | dpm | araldit: thanks for the comments. Your suggestion and Supaplex's (http://wiki.debian.org/GrubRecover?highlight=%28grub%29) will work fine, but I'm looking for a solution where I don't have to remember mounting partitions and so on. What I'm basically looking for is a "CD version" of my grub floppy disk, where I can just boot, get the grub prompt, type 'grub install (hd0)' and that's it, no more. In fact, I don't even need the gnu tools. Mmm... |
| 07:46.26 | dpm | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:47.01 | chance2105 | AAArgh. Why was this working .. yesterday, and not today? |
| 07:47.14 | kevix | dpm: wouln't useing a livecd and then chroot also work? |
| 07:49.11 | liable | grr, now firefox whines about paper sixe.. |
| 07:49.30 | valdyn | liable: in sid? known bug, see bts |
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| 07:49.53 | liable | valdyn: sweet, thanks. |
| 07:50.18 | valdyn | liable: mm, latest firefox seems to work for me now, its fixed |
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| 07:50.20 | BlueFish | Okay then, now my second question is about mail. |
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| 07:50.41 | dpm | kevix: as I said, http://wiki.debian.org/GrubRecover?highlight=%28grub%29 will work, which is basically that (livecd + chroot), but I'm looking for something simpler, where I don't have to remember any extra commands. I mean, now I know how to solve my problem, I'm gonna use this solution this time, but for the future, I'd like to have the simpler solution. So, does anyone know whether making the grub floppy iso and then burning it onto cd wor |
| 07:50.41 | dpm | k? |
| 07:50.42 | BlueFish | during the installation it mention mail configuration. |
| 07:50.42 | nishaa | hi, can i chat with someone |
| 07:51.07 | BlueFish | Is there a website that could explain the options? |
| 07:52.03 | BlueFish | Or someone who knows how I could just recieve my mail? normally? |
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| 07:52.19 | liable | valdyn: hrm, got the latest. checking bts.. |
| 07:52.33 | BlueFish | although I wish to set up my computer as a server, I do not require mail to be sent to me throught the server. |
| 07:52.49 | BlueFish | I just want to use my existing account. |
| 07:52.56 | BlueFish | on iprimus |
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| 07:55.46 | kevix | BlueFish: so you want only local mail deliver? |
| 07:56.17 | BlueFish | I think so |
| 07:56.19 | BlueFish | lol |
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| 07:56.35 | BlueFish | that would be a mail delivery from my ISP's server? |
| 07:56.53 | nishaa | hi bluefish , can we be friend |
| 07:56.56 | kevix | BlueFish: remember that debian has 'dpkg-reconfigure' if you want to redo stuff. |
| 07:57.01 | BlueFish | oh |
| 07:57.27 | BlueFish | In that case I'll get Debain tunning with KDE and worry about the rest later |
| 07:57.31 | BlueFish | apt-get install kde kdm x-window-system |
| 07:57.44 | nishaa | anybody home |
| 07:57.44 | BlueFish | See ^^^ I remember! |
| 07:57.48 | BlueFish | yep |
| 07:57.50 | BlueFish | lol |
| 07:57.58 | nishaa | bluefish... |
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| 07:58.21 | kevix | BlueFish: x-window-system is a meta-package. it make things easier then havingn to rememeber stuff. so is 'kde' |
| 07:58.37 | xstation | hello |
| 07:58.46 | kevix | nishaa: do you have a debian question? |
| 07:58.56 | xstation | can I ask a openssl question |
| 07:59.02 | beardy | !ask |
| 07:59.03 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 07:59.19 | streuner | xstation: what distro do you use? :-) |
| 07:59.53 | aidan | It seems installing docbook-xml doesn't correctly set up the /etc/xml/catalog file. Does anyone know how to set it up properly? |
| 07:59.58 | xstation | streuner: sarge |
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| 08:01.41 | nishaa | can i chat wiyh someone please |
| 08:01.51 | liable | !lart firefox |
| 08:01.59 | nishaa | i dunno how where |
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| 08:03.43 | madona | how can I know the color deepnes of a jpeg ? |
| 08:03.50 | madona | jfif |
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| 08:09.07 | TraceGreen | hello, what tool can play video as format .avi? |
| 08:09.23 | TraceGreen | I try to use mplayer ans gxine, but they all cannot. |
| 08:10.07 | xstation | sreuner: ok I want to set TLS with postfix and have the details but on the command line in openssl I want to use the cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA |
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| 08:10.58 | liable | TraceGreen: you need w32codecs |
| 08:11.35 | tziku | liable please tell me a website from can i learn about chmod. |
| 08:12.12 | TraceGreen | tziku, you may use man. :-) |
| 08:12.20 | bobyfixer | tziku man chmod |
| 08:12.24 | liable | tziku: http://www.zzee.com/solutions/chmod-help.shtml |
| 08:12.59 | kevix | liable: although a strange thought is that 'will etch have 'man''? |
| 08:13.01 | tziku | thanhk :) man and website are usefull both. |
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| 08:13.09 | SimonRaven | tziku: info chmod |
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| 08:13.38 | liable | kevix: huh? if that was a joke, it went over my head.. :) |
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| 08:14.08 | kevix | liable: wrt the gdfl man pages in debian. |
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| 08:25.38 | sparr | I have a file, claims to be an iso but 'mount' and 'file' say otherwise. Can anyone identify this header info? http://rafb.net/paste/results/6xqwhL61.html |
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| 08:28.37 | tux | sparr, how do you mount it |
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| 08:29.08 | sparr | tux: mount file mountpoint -o loop -t iso9660 |
| 08:29.38 | kevix | sparr: it looks like somekind of m$ software installer: autorun.inf setup.exe |
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| 08:29.56 | xstation | hi |
| 08:30.13 | sparr | kevix: those are the files on the filesystem |
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| 08:30.32 | tux | sparr, try strings file.iso |
| 08:30.42 | kevix | sparr: did you try: mount file.iso /mnt -o loop |
| 08:31.04 | xstation | anybody know about ciphers in openssl |
| 08:32.26 | sparr | kevix: yes, it wants a type |
| 08:32.58 | kevix | sparr: you tried: udf, iso9660, ... |
| 08:33.04 | sparr | aha! its a BIN |
| 08:33.19 | kevix | sparr: ok. that makes sense. |
| 08:33.44 | tux | sparr, how to mount a bin file? |
| 08:34.05 | aquabat | can anyone suggest a good PHP specific editor that they've had experience with? |
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| 08:34.31 | kevix | !info bchunk |
| 08:34.33 | dpkg | bchunk: (CD image format conversion from bin/cue to iso/cdr), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 1.2.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 13 kB, Installed size: 68 kB |
| 08:34.39 | sparr | tux: theres some third party software to mount weird image formats. i just bchunk/bin2iso it |
| 08:34.49 | sparr | then mount the iso |
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| 08:35.03 | xstation | dpkg: any help with openssl |
| 08:35.19 | __Xedrian | does any know to deactivate DirectoryListing for apache |
| 08:35.29 | kevix | !openssl |
| 08:35.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, openssl is the OpenSource version of Secure Socket Layer, or http://www.openssl.org/ |
| 08:35.45 | tux | thank you, kevix and sparr |
| 08:36.14 | xstation | dpkg: yes ok, but not here I suppose |
| 08:36.30 | kevix | xstation: dpkg is a bot x-) |
| 08:36.35 | tux | lolo |
| 08:37.07 | __Xedrian | does any know to deactivate DirectoryListing for apache |
| 08:37.34 | xstation | kevix: I would never have guesst |
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| 08:44.03 | sett[away] | could anyone help, which package contains gtk+ ? |
| 08:44.31 | skullsoup | hello. i just installed debian on a laptop and now i get no audio output. i get no /dev/dsp found errors |
| 08:45.33 | streuner | skullsoup: cat /proc/version |
| 08:45.34 | sett[away] | install alsaconf |
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| 08:47.42 | skullsoup | Linux version 2.6.15.1 (root@debian) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 Fri Mar 10 02:36:49 EST 2006 |
| 08:47.56 | gw_ger | #debian.de |
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| 08:48.58 | streuner | skullsoup: use an official debian kernel |
| 08:50.17 | skullsoup | i cant get sound with this kernel? |
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| 08:52.24 | streuner | skullsoup: copy the whole sound-part to your config and recompile the kernel again |
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| 08:54.22 | sett[away] | does anyone know which packages should be installed to have gtk+ ? |
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| 08:54.57 | streuner | sett[away]: what app do you want to compile? |
| 08:55.03 | sett[away] | gaim |
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| 08:55.09 | Coweater | apt-get build-dep gaim |
| 08:55.21 | iciclebox | how do I kill a user who is logged into the system? |
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| 08:55.33 | kevix | !slay |
| 08:55.55 | iciclebox | er, to disconnect the user |
| 08:56.01 | valdyn | sett[away]: apt-get build-dep gaim |
| 08:56.31 | kevix | iciclebox: apt-get install slay |
| 08:56.39 | iciclebox | oh thanks |
| 08:56.42 | iciclebox | I thought you were joking |
| 08:56.59 | sett[away] | I am trying to build 2.0 beta 2 |
| 08:57.06 | Coweater | Can't get my usb mouse to work with xorg, it worked when i first configured X and tested with startx, but after reboot it says it can't open the device /dev/input/mice |
| 08:57.49 | vira | configure: WARNING: libstdc++ not available on this system |
| 08:57.49 | vira | configure: error: Neither uclibc uClibc++ or standard gcc stdc++ libraries found. |
| 08:57.57 | kevix | Coweater: anything in /var/log/messages? |
| 08:58.00 | vira | and this was after doing: # apt-get install libstdc++6 libstdc++6-dev |
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| 08:58.15 | streuner | Coweater: what kernel? |
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| 08:58.32 | streuner | Coweater: if you using 2.6.x just modprobe mousedev and psaux |
| 08:58.33 | Coweater | 2.4.27-2-686-smp |
| 08:59.05 | streuner | Coweater: ok, just edit xorg-config file to /dev/psaux |
| 08:59.05 | kevix | vira: what are you compiling? |
| 08:59.20 | Coweater | why would it be psaux? it's a usb mouse |
| 08:59.32 | streuner | Coweater: oh, right /msg dpkg usbmouse? |
| 08:59.33 | vira | kevix: kismet-devel |
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| 08:59.42 | iciclebox | is it possible to search the manuals? |
| 08:59.42 | vira | kevix: i need it for madwifi-ng support |
| 08:59.48 | iciclebox | perhaps like using grep or something |
| 08:59.57 | streuner | Coweater: but the factoid is created for non-udev users... |
| 09:00.10 | kevix | vira: are you running './configure' ? |
| 09:00.13 | vira | kevix: yes |
| 09:00.21 | Coweater | i'm using hotplug, modprobe usbmouse worked, why wouldn't it be loading it? |
| 09:00.41 | kevix | vira: maybe look inside and see what check it is doing to see what it is lookin for? |
| 09:01.00 | iciclebox | additionally, how do I find a list of signals for killall? |
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| 09:01.17 | Coweater | ok i thought i was using hotplug, i guess it decided to remove it during install |
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| 09:02.09 | vira | kevix: it is looking for whether something compiled with -lstdc++ will run |
| 09:02.19 | kevix | iciclebox: killall -l |
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| 09:03.16 | bk_ankur | Hello friends, I have by mistake uninstall the tar using aptitude. Now when i am trying to install it again it gives an error "dpkg-deb failed to exec tar: No such file or directory" |
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| 09:03.53 | bk_ankur | and the aptitude exits by return code 1 |
| 09:04.22 | bk_ankur | so how can i again intstall tar. |
| 09:04.43 | valdyn | bk_ankur: download the deb manually and ar -x it |
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| 09:05.15 | kevix | vira: apt-cache search libstdc++|grep dev |
| 09:05.47 | vira | kevix: i tried installing the libstdc++6-dev; do you propose trying a different one? |
| 09:06.06 | kevix | vira: no. |
| 09:06.06 | bk_ankur | valdyn: ar command not found |
| 09:06.18 | valdyn | bk_ankur: so you removed binutils too |
| 09:07.14 | valdyn | bk_ankur: do what i said still, from a live cd or reinstall debian |
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| 09:08.19 | bk_ankur | valdyn: okey. thank you. i have copied the tar*.deb from cd. but it cannot install due to tar is not present. |
| 09:08.49 | bk_ankur | so i need to reinstall the debian again. |
| 09:08.49 | kevix | bk_ankur: you can boot with a live cd and copy a version of tar and then reinstall the tar.deb |
| 09:08.50 | bk_ankur | ? |
| 09:08.51 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 09:08.52 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 09:08.53 | pinucset | have somebody tried xgl-compiz in kde debian? I dont know why but when i execute the script for loading all it loads kde default, wich is the trouble? |
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| 09:09.09 | sett[away] | could anyone help me find file libpango1.0-0_1.10.3-1_i386.deb as it seems not to exist anywhere |
| 09:09.40 | kevix | tarzeau: I think that there should be a cron on the irc channel to do that for you |
| 09:09.53 | tarzeau | kevix: hehe , nah it's fine :) |
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| 09:10.19 | tarzeau | i can't find sata support in kernel config of 2.6 linux! |
| 09:10.34 | kevix | tarzeau: so I went to #bub-n-bro and now there is no metaserver to join? |
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| 09:10.46 | tarzeau | kevix: no you run the server, tell the ip, we join |
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| 09:11.00 | kevix | tarzeau: on my dialup.... dont think so. |
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| 09:11.10 | tarzeau | kevix: i could run a server , but we'd need more players |
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| 09:11.25 | phar0e | what is the pkg name for xorg server? or better yet is there a way to search for packages using apt-get? |
| 09:11.28 | tarzeau | and i really want to have my own kernel, (need sound support, quickcam and gnokii stuff) |
| 09:11.36 | marlun | If I want to copy all lowercase files of a directory to another directory what should I use? I tried "cp -r ./mixedcase/[a..z]* ./lower/" but that wild guess didn't work =) |
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| 09:11.46 | tarzeau | phar0e: apt-cache search xorg |
| 09:11.50 | cahoot | tarzeau: tried to search for sata in menuconfig? |
| 09:11.52 | kevix | tarzeau: is there a universal server to post 'running gamer servers' other than Doom? |
| 09:11.52 | phar0e | tarzeau: thank you very much |
| 09:11.54 | Defty | it seems i'd need an older version of binutils.. but I don't want to lose the current version, so how would I be able to use an older version for a while? |
| 09:12.11 | tarzeau | cahoot: yes i just don't see it, can you tell me the menu items to select? |
| 09:12.15 | tarzeau | cahoot: i've seent it several times, but now i just can't find it :( |
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| 09:12.32 | tarzeau | kevix: not for bnb... |
| 09:12.49 | kingmike | Hi ! I'm having problems with my intel8x0m (AC'97) modem. I have installed slmodem, then when do ATH1 I don't hear no dial tone, and ATDT says the same. Any idea ? |
| 09:12.56 | cahoot | tarzeau: device drivers - scsi - low level look like it it me |
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| 09:13.04 | dondelelcaro | marlun: you want something like find . -type f -regex '[a-z]+' or similar. |
| 09:13.21 | jayr168 | hello |
| 09:13.30 | tarzeau | cahoot: i must be blind! |
| 09:13.32 | kevix | Defty: did you remove tar? |
| 09:13.35 | jayr168 | I run alsaconf it says Module SND not found? |
| 09:13.38 | jayr168 | what to do? |
| 09:13.40 | tarzeau | cahoot: no wonder didn't work, as module.... |
| 09:13.42 | dondelelcaro | s/or/-print0|xargs -0 cp -t foodir/ |
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| 09:13.50 | jayr168 | I have debian 3.1 "sarge" |
| 09:13.51 | Defty | kevix: not yet |
| 09:13.55 | streuner | jayr168: cat /proc/version |
| 09:13.56 | jayr168 | guys? |
| 09:13.57 | Defty | kevix: should I? |
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| 09:14.08 | kevix | Defty: I missis what you problem was... |
| 09:14.15 | kingmike | jayr168 : recompile your kernel with alsa support as a module |
| 09:14.33 | tarzeau | cahoot: thanks alot, rebuilding it... |
| 09:14.38 | jayr168 | Linux version 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 09:14.41 | kingmike | if you have 2.4 then install alsa source and build the module |
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| 09:14.47 | jayr168 | how to do that? |
| 09:14.48 | Defty | kevix: just trying to build a program, and somewhere it said that the linker errors I get should be fixed with an older binutils |
| 09:14.51 | streuner | jayr168: that's not the whole output... |
| 09:15.06 | jayr168 | Linux version 2.6.8-2-686 (horms@tabatha.lab.ultramonkey.org) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 Tue Aug 16 13:22:48 UTC 2005 |
| 09:15.22 | kevix | Defty: what are you building? |
| 09:15.23 | streuner | jayr168: what did you use before, OSS? |
| 09:15.36 | jayr168 | no I did not use oss |
| 09:15.39 | Defty | kevix: ardour 0.99 |
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| 09:15.47 | streuner | jayr168: Is the soundcard supported by ALSA? |
| 09:15.48 | jayr168 | I just installed debian now |
| 09:15.55 | jayr168 | yes CMI8738 |
| 09:16.03 | kevix | Defty: apt-get install ardour ? |
| 09:16.06 | jayr168 | I checked it in alsa's website |
| 09:16.14 | jayr168 | its supported..? |
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| 09:16.20 | Defty | kevix: I'm trying to *compile* it not install |
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| 09:16.31 | kevix | !info ardour |
| 09:16.31 | streuner | jayr168: lspci -v | grep -i audio |
| 09:16.41 | Defty | i need special options etc. |
| 09:16.56 | jayr168 | 0000:02:00.0 Multimedia audio controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev 10) |
| 09:16.57 | jayr168 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:17.11 | jayr168 | ^^ thats the output of lspci |
| 09:17.17 | jmd_ | I've just done a dist-upgrade, and now none of my keys repeat. How do I fix this? |
| 09:17.32 | jmd_ | In X that is. |
| 09:17.35 | streuner | jayr168: ok, find out what ALSA module you need and try modprobe it |
| 09:17.42 | Dwonis | jmd_: xset r on |
| 09:17.46 | Defty | kevix: thanks anyway. afk |
| 09:18.00 | jmd_ | Dwonis: Thanks. |
| 09:18.02 | Dwonis | jmd_: though I wouldn't expect a dist-upgrade to cause that |
| 09:18.03 | jayr168 | I installed by apt-get install alsa-base |
| 09:18.16 | jayr168 | does that install alsa modules? |
| 09:18.18 | streuner | jayr168: apt-get install alsa-utils |
| 09:18.34 | streuner | jayr168: no, ALSA modules comes with the kernel |
| 09:18.45 | jmd_ | Dwonis: I wouldn't have expected it to do most of the things it did. (such as insisting on removing apt). |
| 09:18.52 | Defty | kevix: in case you're wondering there's some stuff that can be built in ardour that isn't included in the distributed .deb |
| 09:19.02 | jayr168 | ive already apt-get alsa-utils |
| 09:19.04 | Defty | kevix: since it needs some proprietary headers |
| 09:19.08 | Dwonis | jmd_: ! |
| 09:19.22 | streuner | jayr168: /msg dpkg driver locator |
| 09:19.25 | madona | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:19.25 | madona | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:19.25 | madona | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:19.33 | madona | what's wrong with that? |
| 09:19.34 | kevix | !info ardour-gtk |
| 09:19.36 | dpkg | ardour-gtk: (digital audio workstation (graphical gtk interface)), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.99.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 2327 kB, Installed size: 6116 kB |
| 09:19.44 | madona | how can I do that bshell |
| 09:19.46 | madona | ? |
| 09:20.00 | kevix | Defty: version 0.99.2-1 is in unstable |
| 09:20.08 | Defty | kevix: and the build scripts aren't for 0.99.2-1, they're for 0.99 |
| 09:20.20 | Defty | kevix: and a precompiled binary will not do |
| 09:20.42 | madona | I want to wait doing nothing untill wget has finished |
| 09:20.43 | kevix | Defty: who can it say you need updated binutils? you are using unstable? |
| 09:21.00 | Defty | kevix: wtf |
| 09:21.06 | Defty | kevix: I'm not using a debian package |
| 09:21.07 | streuner | jayr168: do you have any OSS modules in RAM? (lsmod) |
| 09:21.13 | jayr168 | website says --- snd-cmipci,cmpci |
| 09:21.19 | jayr168 | website says --- drivers = snd-cmipci,cmpci |
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| 09:21.34 | kevix | Defty: yes. you said you got a compiler error about 'binutils'. no? |
| 09:21.35 | streuner | jayr168: ok, try 'modprobe snd-cmipci' |
| 09:21.39 | jayr168 | how do I know I have OSS modules loaded in memory? |
| 09:21.52 | Defty | kevix: not 'about' binutils, but caused by some incompatibility |
| 09:21.55 | streuner | jayr168: lsmod and look for cmpci? |
| 09:22.04 | Defty | kevix: that is fixed by *downgrading* not upgrading binutils |
| 09:22.12 | jayr168 | FATAL: Module snd_cmipci not found. |
| 09:22.12 | jayr168 | FATAL: Error running install command for snd_cmipci |
| 09:22.22 | jayr168 | modprobe says ^ |
| 09:22.37 | kevix | Defty: i'd try to ignore it if its a WARNIING |
| 09:22.43 | streuner | jayr168: snd-cmipci not snd_cmipci |
| 09:22.47 | Defty | kevix: it's a linker error times 100 |
| 09:23.30 | kevix | Defty: I guess you should go to one of the sound channels or mailing lists. #ardour ? |
| 09:23.40 | Defty | kevix: You guess wrong? |
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| 09:23.48 | jayr168 | i typed 'modprobe snd-cmipci' but terminal says |
| 09:23.55 | Defty | :p |
| 09:23.57 | jayr168 | FATAL: Module snd_cmipci not found. |
| 09:23.58 | jayr168 | FATAL: Error running install command for snd_cmipci |
| 09:23.58 | kevix | Defty: you went there and they cound not help? |
| 09:24.02 | streuner | jayr168: ok, get another kernel now |
| 09:24.09 | jayr168 | I have kernel 2.6 |
| 09:24.15 | jayr168 | how to do that? |
| 09:24.23 | Defty | kevix: could you? |
| 09:24.32 | streuner | jayr168: backports.org and read Instructions |
| 09:25.08 | streuner | jayr168: or you use an 2.4.x kernel and use OSS |
| 09:25.26 | kevix | Defty: it seem to be an incomatibility between the debian system and the ardour ./configure (or expected toolchain). I cant see downgrading binutils. |
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| 09:25.46 | streuner | jayr168: http://backports.org/instructions.html |
| 09:25.48 | Defty | kevix: yeah well ardour uses scons |
| 09:26.01 | jayr168 | I use 2.6 kernel |
| 09:26.04 | Defty | kevix: and it's an incompatibility between and older gcc and a newer binutils |
| 09:26.18 | jayr168 | uname -r says -- 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 09:26.36 | jayr168 | how do I know if OSS is loaded? |
| 09:26.53 | kevix | Defty: well debian sid has 3.3,3.4,4.0,4.1 gcc. which 0ne does ardour want? |
| 09:27.03 | streuner | jayr168: lsmod and look for cmpci? |
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| 09:27.35 | Defty | kevix: the version of ardour in question needs a gcc under 4.0 |
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| 09:27.47 | kevix | Defty: and do you have that? |
| 09:27.53 | jayr168 | there's no cmpci? |
| 09:28.03 | Defty | kevix: Yes, why the hell do you ask? I said *LINKER ERROR* not compile |
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| 09:28.34 | kevix | Defty: I guess its out of my league x-( |
| 09:28.36 | streuner | jayr168: what happens if you try to modprobe that? |
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| 09:28.57 | jayr168 | modprobe what? |
| 09:29.07 | streuner | jayr168: cmpci? |
| 09:29.07 | kevix | Defty: maybe try #debian-devel |
| 09:29.12 | Defty | heh |
| 09:29.19 | Defty | kevix: good idea.. maybe i will |
| 09:29.21 | jayr168 | I modprobe cmpci |
| 09:29.30 | jayr168 | module not found |
| 09:29.54 | streuner | jayr168: ok, just install one of these kernels, http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/ |
| 09:30.16 | Defty | kevix: in case you're interested it looks pretty much like that: http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=16625 |
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| 09:30.39 | kevix | Defty: so then #gcc ! |
| 09:31.20 | Defty | kevix: it's not about fixing the bug but downgrading binutils which might well be a debian related issue .p |
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| 09:32.14 | kevix | Defty: did you try to do it and got a log of things wanting to be removed? |
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| 09:32.28 | djp | is it better to use - when using su? i.e., is it better to use "su -" rather than just "su"? |
| 09:32.35 | jayr168 | why cant alsa find my sound card? |
| 09:32.41 | Defty | kevix: yeah, pretty much, + I'm not sure if there even was an old enough version directly available |
| 09:32.55 | streuner | jayr168: because the modules doesn't exist |
| 09:32.56 | Defty | kevix: so maybe I need a snapshot, but still I need multiple versions etc. |
| 09:33.04 | kevix | Defty: snaptshot.debian.net |
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| 09:33.22 | jayr168 | how to install the modules? |
| 09:33.31 | streuner | jayr168: i told you |
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| 09:33.48 | streuner | jayr168: scroll up and see what i told you |
| 09:34.45 | Defty | kevix: and i'm a little unsure about how to go about using the old binutils only with gcc-3.4 or 3.3 and not 4.0 etc. |
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| 09:35.04 | jayr168 | ok |
| 09:35.12 | djp | the reason i ask the su question is that i intend to do a debian install this weekend and want to only install gnome. to do this from the command line, i will need to be logged in as root, though i gather it is not the correct, to login as root? therefore i was going to login as my username and then issue the su command and run aptitude <package-name> from there. would that be the correct way to do things? |
| 09:35.17 | jayr168 | which kernel do I need to install? |
| 09:35.25 | jayr168 | 686 or the 386? |
| 09:35.30 | kevix | Defty: as I said, #debian-devel or even maybe #debian-mentors |
| 09:35.32 | streuner | jayr168: what CPU do you have? |
| 09:35.41 | jayr168 | pentium 4 3.0 HT |
| 09:35.49 | streuner | i686 |
| 09:35.56 | streuner | !i686 |
| 09:36.01 | streuner | !686 |
| 09:36.01 | dpkg | In a kernel version string, -686 refers to the Intel Pentium Pro, Pentium II, Celeron, Pentium III, Pentium IV, Pentium M (as in the chip used in the "Centrino" brand). not correct for EM64T Xeon/Pentium4's, which should use a -em64t-p4 kernel |
| 09:36.02 | kevix | djp: yes |
| 09:36.30 | djp | kevix, thanks. so should i use the su - command or just su? |
| 09:36.40 | jayr168 | do I need to download the images and headers as well? |
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| 09:37.08 | knoppers | which fonts are needed by fluxbox for the default themes |
| 09:37.16 | kevix | djp: I use 'su' but I think its better to use 'su -'. since aptitude does not use X, it work. |
| 09:37.31 | streuner | jayr168: you need the headers in order make another module, so no, you need only the linux-kernel-image |
| 09:38.02 | streuner | jayr168: but use 'apt-get install package' |
| 09:38.10 | kevix | djp: I think its even better to setup 'visudo' and use sudo. |
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| 09:38.44 | jayr168 | cant I just use dpkg? |
| 09:38.47 | knoppers | which fonts are needed by fluxbox for the default themes - does anybody know? |
| 09:38.59 | jayr168 | I downloade the .deb manually |
| 09:39.04 | jayr168 | I downloaded the .deb manually |
| 09:39.10 | knoppers | ok, then it works |
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| 09:39.16 | streuner | jayr168: ok, run 'apt-get -f install' |
| 09:39.45 | djp | kevix, ok. is the /etc/sudoers file installed with a base install of debian then? the reason i ask is that i did try to make a backup of my sudoers file before running visudo, and when i did, it told me that the file didn't exist? |
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| 09:40.13 | jayr168 | umm the .deb is in a directory how to I tell 'apt-get' the path to the file |
| 09:40.14 | jayr168 | ? |
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| 09:40.22 | knoppers | which fonts are needed by fluxbox for the default themes - which fonts did you install? |
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| 09:41.12 | goron | What program can delete all empty directories on the system? |
| 09:41.22 | jayr168 | duys? |
| 09:41.23 | knoppers | script |
| 09:41.24 | jayr168 | guys? |
| 09:41.33 | knoppers | you can write a bash script- |
| 09:41.37 | deadcat_ | find ? |
| 09:42.00 | kevix | djp: I think when you first install, there is none, but when you first issue 'visudo', I think it creates a default one. |
| 09:42.03 | goron | knoppers: I know, I can do that. I just figured somebody else already did that. |
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| 09:42.17 | knoppers | goron ok, sorry |
| 09:42.18 | goron | deadcat_: I will see whether find can select on that. |
| 09:42.25 | jayr168 | apt-get says coulnt find package |
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| 09:42.59 | kevix | goron: rmdir will delete an empty directroy, but be VERY careful how you find and delete directyes. |
| 09:43.03 | streuner | jayr168: apt-get update |
| 09:43.04 | tarzeau | goron: you don't want to do that |
| 09:43.05 | deadcat_ | goron: or you can just find / -type d -exec rmdir -p {} \; |
| 09:43.14 | jinxjinxsen | hi. does anyone know if the apache2 from debian sarge has a filesize limit which prevents it from displaying files gt 2gb or something in the directory index? |
| 09:43.28 | tarzeau | jinxjinxsen: yes |
| 09:43.30 | streuner | jayr168: make sure you have edit sources.list (backports.org) before |
| 09:43.36 | jayr168 | ok |
| 09:43.38 | jayr168 | just a sec |
| 09:43.48 | jinxjinxsen | tarzeau: how can i enable it? |
| 09:43.53 | deadcat_ | mm. tofu cheese cake rocks (= |
| 09:43.56 | goron | deadcat_: find also has an -empty option, but I will check the semantics of your command too :) |
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| 09:44.19 | deadcat_ | goron: oh. no clue about -empty. i just know the basic find stuff. hehe. |
| 09:44.20 | tarzeau | jinxjinxsen: http://debian.ethz.ch/debian-cd/3.1_r1/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 09:44.43 | goron | deadcat_: me too, but I am using more options with time. |
| 09:44.50 | deadcat_ | ah |
| 09:44.53 | tarzeau | jinxjinxsen: checked bts yet? |
| 09:45.39 | jinxjinxsen | but one the page there is a 4gb limit |
| 09:45.47 | jinxjinxsen | my file is just 2,28gb |
| 09:45.48 | kevix | goron: the easy part is deleting something, the hard part is not destroying your system with a bad command! |
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| 09:47.12 | goron | kevix: yes, I know, that's why I examine what people advice me here. |
| 09:47.24 | jinxjinxsen | tarzeau: bts? |
| 09:47.30 | tarzeau | !bts |
| 09:47.30 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 09:47.42 | goron | deadcat_: Your command is equivalent to rm -rf /, you know that, right? |
| 09:47.55 | jinxjinxsen | it was obvious :D |
| 09:48.09 | deadcat_ | goron: no it doesnt. rmdir only rm empty dirs |
| 09:48.26 | jayr168 | i cant find my /etc/apt/preferences |
| 09:48.39 | goron | deadcat_: nm |
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| 09:48.43 | jayr168 | i can only edit the /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 09:49.06 | jayr168 | streuner: i cant find my /etc/apt/preferences |
| 09:49.27 | kevix | goron: I always use 'echo rmdir XXXX' before I do 'rmdir XXXXX' |
| 09:49.29 | liable | you need to make it if its not there |
| 09:49.35 | goron | deadcat_: the -p option is not necessary, when you run find from / |
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| 09:49.51 | goron | kevix: hmm, I think I will do that now too, ty. |
| 09:49.55 | mylastmorning | can someone help me? I'm having boot problems. |
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| 09:50.08 | streuner | jayr168: it doesn't exist unless you create it..., (touch /etc/apt/preferences) |
| 09:50.10 | tarzeau | mylastmorning: -v |
| 09:50.18 | DJ-Marcuzz | hello |
| 09:50.32 | liable | hola |
| 09:50.37 | jayr168 | is preferences a file or a directory? |
| 09:50.38 | deadcat | goron: oh true... |
| 09:50.47 | jayr168 | if it's a file whats the extension? |
| 09:51.18 | DJ-Marcuzz | i followed that dmix howto the simple way, but i still cannot hear xxms and ut99 at the same time, just xmms and gaim :S |
| 09:51.23 | kevix | mylastmorning: well first you put on your left boot, then your right boot... |
| 09:51.46 | mylastmorning | I've got an old box with windows 98 on it. I'm putting debian on it. when I deleted everything it wouldn't see it had a CD ROM Drive and wont run my ISO of Debian... and now I'm having problems... for some reason the bios is asking for a password that I didn't put on there. |
| 09:51.49 | goron | deadcat: FYI, -empty also deletes empty files. |
| 09:52.00 | comsa | nine and a half |
| 09:52.05 | streuner | jayr168: none |
| 09:52.10 | deadcat | goron: seems like -p is required for it to work. i just tried in /tmp/ |
| 09:52.25 | DJ-Marcuzz | mylastmorning, clear your bios with the jumper on the mobo |
| 09:52.30 | goron | deadcat: strange |
| 09:52.32 | mylastmorning | is there a way to reset a bios? |
| 09:52.35 | kevix | mylastmorning: there may be a motherboard jump(open the case) that will clear the bios password |
| 09:52.38 | deadcat | goron: let me show you the output |
| 09:52.51 | mylastmorning | how do I reset the bios? |
| 09:52.52 | DJ-Marcuzz | its located at the bios battery, or pull the bios battery out and leaf it for an wile and put it back in |
| 09:53.08 | mylastmorning | I've already done that... but it still needs a pass. |
| 09:53.17 | mylastmorning | should I keep it out for more then 1 min? |
| 09:53.28 | deadcat | goron: sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/typescript |
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| 09:53.54 | comsa | 10 seconds |
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| 09:54.15 | mylastmorning | kevix how long should I leave it out for? |
| 09:54.18 | kevix | mylastmorning: yes. anywhere from 5 min, then try 10 min... until it works. |
| 09:54.21 | comsa | jp9 |
| 09:54.21 | DJ-Marcuzz | euhm, could someone assist me with the dmix thing? |
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| 09:54.40 | mylastmorning | where do I find a jumper on my mobo? |
| 09:54.48 | mylastmorning | what does it look like? |
| 09:55.00 | comsa | JP ( |
| 09:55.06 | comsa | JP9 |
| 09:55.09 | kevix | mylastmorning: unplug the unit and try taking the battery out for 5 min. that should work. |
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| 09:55.24 | ChrisAlt | hi |
| 09:55.27 | DJ-Marcuzz | its an plastik bridge connected 2 pins, and there is an 3rd pin next to it |
| 09:55.47 | comsa | u got it man |
| 09:55.59 | kevix | mylastmorning: some mother boards have the details ON the board, some on the case ] |
| 09:56.18 | ChrisAlt | one question: when installing the actual 3.1 debian release, is it necessary to install the newest kernel 2.6.8-2 later or is it possible to do it directly with the main installation? |
| 09:56.18 | goron | deadcat: How should I read that file? Just an editor? |
| 09:56.40 | deadcat | goron: anything. its text. just with stupid control chars. |
| 09:56.42 | kevix | mylastmorning: as DJ-Marcuzz said, move it from position 1-2 to 2-3 (pin 1 pin 2 pin 3) |
| 09:56.46 | jayr168 | ive done everything the instructions say but it cant find the package |
| 09:56.53 | goron | deadcat: ok :) |
| 09:56.55 | jayr168 | whats the use of the preferences file? |
| 09:57.06 | jayr168 | is it necesary to make that file? |
| 09:57.24 | comsa | better goog it |
| 09:57.30 | streuner | jayr168: it makes sure you don't download everything from backports.org after apt-get upgrade |
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| 09:58.01 | streuner | jayr168: only if you don't want ALL packages of backports.org ;-) |
| 09:58.29 | madona | hi .. What command line program do I use to set the height and width of a window? |
| 09:58.33 | madona | x... |
| 09:58.49 | deadcat | devilspie can do it. |
| 09:58.53 | nevyn | madona: what window manager/desktop envirom=nment |
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| 09:58.59 | nevyn | esh can do it. |
| 09:59.01 | darkhunter^ | þ |
| 09:59.03 | madona | ICEwm |
| 09:59.04 | nevyn | dcop can do it. |
| 09:59.05 | streuner | jayr168: option 2, you don't make a preferences file, put that stanza to sources.list and after you apt-get install the linux-kernel-image you comment the line again |
| 09:59.16 | madona | nevyn: ICEwm |
| 09:59.22 | madona | xwm |
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| 09:59.31 | madona | nevyn xwm |
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| 09:59.41 | mylastmorning | kevix I found the jumper now what do I do with it? |
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| 10:00.02 | jayr168 | ive already added the backport URL to the sources.list |
| 10:00.05 | dino4k | is someone out here who was at the CeBit? |
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| 10:00.23 | jayr168 | but apt-cache search cant find the newer kernel why? |
| 10:01.02 | jayr168 | ? |
| 10:01.02 | dino4k | or still is :-) |
| 10:01.13 | FarrisG | I bought this yotta raid subsystem. it's a scsi-to-sata box. Anyway, it came with this little one-ended scsi terminator, and I'm not really sure what to do with it. I'm only using one cable, from the yotta to the host system. Does it go on the second scsi plug for the channel I'm using, or on the channel I'm not using? |
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| 10:02.43 | DJ-Marcuzz | there is no ~/.asoundrc, to put that code in, but i installed alsa and so, should i make one? |
| 10:02.52 | comsa | ?help leave |
| 10:03.40 | comsa | oops |
| 10:03.43 | kevix | mylastmorning: move it from position 1-2 to 2-3 for 3 minutes than put it back to position 1-2 |
| 10:03.54 | jayr168 | is linux-kernel image the KERNEL file? |
| 10:03.59 | mylastmorning | ok kevix |
| 10:04.05 | streuner | jayr168: apt-get update; apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
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| 10:04.14 | jayr168 | or is it the kernel-image? |
| 10:04.27 | cahoot | DJ-Marcuzz: does ut99 use alsa's native device or /dev/dsp? |
| 10:04.33 | jayr168 | streuner: I apt-get install linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 |
| 10:04.34 | jayr168 | ?/ |
| 10:04.41 | streuner | yep |
| 10:04.43 | jayr168 | is this the right package? |
| 10:04.46 | streuner | yep |
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| 10:04.55 | DJ-Marcuzz | cahoot, where can i see that? |
| 10:05.09 | jinxjinxsen | is there a apache 2.2.0 debian package? |
| 10:05.09 | jayr168 | ok im now installing 'linux-image-2.6.15-1-686' |
| 10:05.20 | kevix | !apache2 |
| 10:05.21 | dpkg | from memory, apache2 is a virtual package provided by one of the following packages: apache2-mpm-worker, apache2-mpm-prefork, apache2-mpm-perchild. Each package contains the apache2 server compiled with unique options - Read the description for each package and select the one right for you. You should also read the docs, which are in the apache2-doc package. |
| 10:05.37 | kevix | !info apache2 |
| 10:05.38 | streuner | jayr168: show us your sources.list in paster bot |
| 10:05.39 | dpkg | apache2: (next generation, scalable, extendable web server), section web, is optional. Version: 2.0.55-4 (sid), Packaged size: 34 kB, Installed size: 80 kB |
| 10:05.39 | jayr168 | streuner: how do I comment a line in sources/list? |
| 10:05.41 | streuner | !paste |
| 10:05.41 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 10:05.57 | jayr168 | wats paster bot? |
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| 10:06.26 | blenda | how can i create a "nobody" user to run a certain script? |
| 10:06.31 | streuner | jayr168: deb http://some_mirror foo blah blah <-- uncommented, commented '#deb http://some_mirror... |
| 10:06.57 | streuner | jayr168: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 10:07.20 | jayr168 | I just add a # in the begining of the url? |
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| 10:07.24 | cahoot | DJ-Marcuzz: looks like that's a matter of config - http://www.icculus.org/~warp/ut2004/ |
| 10:07.31 | streuner | jayr168: yep |
| 10:07.38 | jayr168 | ok |
| 10:07.42 | Greek-Boy | wich package do I need for automatic updating of clock/time? |
| 10:07.42 | DJ-Marcuzz | its ut99 ;) |
| 10:07.42 | streuner | jayr168: and run apt-get update |
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| 10:07.51 | jayr168 | ok |
| 10:07.58 | streuner | jayr168: every time you change sources.list run apt-get update |
| 10:08.17 | jayr168 | ok so it reads the new config file |
| 10:08.22 | dino4k | Greek-Boy: look out for ntp - there are several ways |
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| 10:09.23 | jayr168 | pasted in: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2036 |
| 10:09.30 | jayr168 | streuner: |
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| 10:09.36 | jayr168 | streuner: pasted in: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2036 |
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| 10:10.29 | goron | deadcat: Ok, done. I think find / -empty -delete does the same and more efficient. (you don't need to start new processes each time) |
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| 10:10.38 | streuner | jayr168: deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r1 _Sarge_ - Official i386 Binary-2 (20051220)]/ unstable main |
| 10:10.38 | streuner | deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r1 _Sarge_ - Official i386 Binary-1 (20051220)]/ unstable contrib main |
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| 10:10.57 | streuner | jayr168: comment those lines too and the line with '.sg' |
| 10:11.28 | oliknoli | anyone who knows how to config proftpd to be able to log on with root?? |
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| 10:11.45 | tio_wenomsn | olaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 10:11.45 | DJ-Marcuzz | isn't there an way to get just all audio played like it should, and not depending on the settings of the game/ program |
| 10:12.10 | tio_wenomsn | killo ai por ai alguna nena k no able en inglessssssssssss |
| 10:12.18 | liable | why do apsnish people all seem to do that? |
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| 10:12.25 | pngwn | heh |
| 10:12.26 | mylastmorning | whats better for linux? a Nvidia Riva 128 or a ATI Rage 128 video card? |
| 10:12.41 | streuner | liable: proud |
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| 10:12.55 | liable | streuner: annoying :) |
| 10:13.04 | streuner | for us, yes |
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| 10:13.39 | jayr168 | in short I will disable apt-get to install from CD1 , CD2 a the mirror from .sg? |
| 10:13.42 | tio_wenomsn | ola jhon |
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| 10:13.54 | streuner | yes, jayr168 |
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| 10:14.25 | jayr168 | streuner:#deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r1 _Sarge_ - Official i386 Binary-2 (20051220)]/ unstable main --is this the right syntax? |
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| 10:14.31 | jayr168 | or |
| 10:14.35 | jayr168 | streuner:# deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r1 _Sarge_ - Official i386 Binary-2 (20051220)]/ unstable main --is this the right syntax? |
| 10:14.56 | streuner | jayr168: a '# |
| 10:15.07 | jayr168 | with ' ? |
| 10:15.18 | streuner | jayr168: a '#' is enough to comment it, just at the start of the line |
| 10:15.49 | streuner | #deb http://debian.wow-vision.com.sg/debian/ stable main |
| 10:15.49 | jayr168 | '#deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r1 _Sarge_ - Official i386 Binary-2 (20051220)]/ unstable main ?? |
| 10:16.03 | streuner | #deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r1 _Sarge_ - Official i386 Binary-2 (20051220)]/ unstable main |
| 10:16.04 | jayr168 | ohh ok I get it |
| 10:16.06 | tarzeau | how do i build qc-src and alsa modules when my kernel was built using -rev LOL.8 --append_to_version -2 (make-kpkg) |
| 10:16.25 | tarzeau | this doesn't seem to work? KVERS=2.6.15.6 KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15.6 debian/rules binary-modules |
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| 10:17.20 | mylastmorning | kevix you think now is a good time to move it back? |
| 10:17.41 | jayr168 | streuner: I apt-get install linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 |
| 10:17.42 | kevix | mylastmorning: sure. you can always try it longer. |
| 10:17.46 | mylastmorning | ok |
| 10:17.50 | jayr168 | is this the kenel file? |
| 10:17.54 | jayr168 | is this the kernel file? |
| 10:18.34 | jayr168 | streuner:? |
| 10:18.45 | tux | jayr168, yes |
| 10:19.11 | jayr168 | it says -- Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 10:19.11 | jayr168 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:19.11 | jayr168 | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 10:19.24 | jayr168 | has the installation been succesful? |
| 10:19.45 | jayr168 | why dpkg returned an error code? |
| 10:19.56 | jayr168 | ? |
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| 10:21.03 | Flajjer | Hay ya all, is there any Linux distribution that has all the nessecary software installed from start that is needed to run a webserver? I would like to have it up and running as fast as possible. |
| 10:21.38 | kevix | Flajjer: what one have you tried? |
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| 10:21.58 | atun | nas |
| 10:22.04 | liable | Flajjer: debian will install what you tell it, from the start.. |
| 10:22.19 | Flajjer | Kevix: I have tried Debian |
| 10:22.35 | Flajjer | Got it up and running but it took some time |
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| 10:23.04 | kevix | Flajjer: that sounds like what would happen in any distribution. |
| 10:23.07 | Flajjer | I was kinda looking for a shortcut :) |
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| 10:23.35 | kevix | Flajjer: I just remembered: XAMPP ! |
| 10:23.46 | gnufan | Flajjer: shortcut is to buy well supported hardware -- then the install is very quick/ |
| 10:24.01 | valdyn | Flajjer: do you know *anything* about linux? there's no real distro where a webserver is remotely hard to install |
| 10:24.34 | rredd4 | how can i test to find out which source is the fastest for me to use? I have cable. The closest one to me is about 60 miles and I get about 12 to 20k per sec. Should get 300k/sex |
| 10:24.38 | rredd4 | sec |
| 10:24.45 | Flajjer | Valdyn: as I said, I have used Linux before and I have a server up and running now, but I was just curius if there were any other options |
| 10:24.55 | fooz | rredd4, try each one |
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| 10:25.12 | kevix | Flajjer: google: xammp |
| 10:25.26 | Flajjer | Kivix: THNX :) |
| 10:25.31 | kevix | Flajjer: google: xampp (ops) |
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| 10:25.58 | fooz | how long's a zaurus battery last? |
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| 10:26.15 | Flajjer | Kevix: hehe :) |
| 10:27.07 | valdyn | Flajjer: it 'took some time'? its marking one option during install in 'tasksel' |
| 10:27.08 | gnufan | rredd4: try different ones.. I think apt-spy will try and guess but it doesn't rely on http download performance, just round trip time. Geographical distance is no predictor of wire length distance |
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| 10:27.39 | kevix | fooz: check at dynamism.com |
| 10:28.05 | gnufan | Flajjer: never found a distro easier to do web server stuff on than Debian, if I had I wouldn't be here. |
| 10:28.07 | rredd4 | gnufan: apt-spy first I heard of that one |
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| 10:28.47 | kevix | gnufan: xampp is a tarball that you just unzip and it has apache/php/mysql.... |
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| 10:29.02 | ma3x | what do I need to install to have the DRM on x.org? |
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| 10:29.25 | valdyn | ma3x: nothing special |
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| 10:29.33 | valdyn | ma3x: depending on your hardware though |
| 10:29.43 | ma3x | valdyn, radeon igp340M |
| 10:29.54 | gnufan | kevix: sounds a lot harder to maintain than my debian web servers. |
| 10:29.55 | ma3x | valdyn, well it's not enable |
| 10:29.56 | bpuzon | !ntfs |
| 10:29.56 | dpkg | well, ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access the partition as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html, or ask me about captiventfs |
| 10:29.57 | Flajjer | Valdyn: well since that was my first server I had to learn everything from scratch so it took some time, anyway I was´t here to discuss how easy it was or how long it took but I was just curious if there were any other options, so thanx for your help |
| 10:30.01 | valdyn | !ati drivers |
| 10:30.01 | knoppers | i installed xfonts-artwiz, but it doesn't work in fluxbox, what should i do? |
| 10:30.01 | dpkg | If you wish to use ATI's closed-source binary fglrx driver, then follow the instructions on http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian-official/fglrx-driver.html - do NOT try to convert the drivers from ATI's website yourself with Alien. These drivers support Radeon 8500 or higher cards. |
| 10:30.10 | knoppers | !xfonts |
| 10:30.11 | dpkg | If you are manually installing X using apt-get you will need xfonts-base. If your font aliases get corrupted, you can try dpkg-reconfigure xfonts-base, yet if all else fails you will need to dpkg -P xfonts-base && apt-get install xfonts-base, so that the configuration for the fonts used in X are restored. |
| 10:30.32 | knoppers | !xfonts-artwiz |
| 10:30.42 | knoppers | !artwiz |
| 10:30.48 | knoppers | !fluxbox |
| 10:30.48 | dpkg | somebody said fluxbox was a forked off blackbox and is found at http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net, or blackbox the featureless wonder with some added features You can also ask #fluxbox for non-debian specific information. |
| 10:31.03 | kevix | gnufan: well its not a debian solution, its a prepackaed setup for ANY distro. |
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| 10:31.25 | gnufan | kevix: as I said sounds like a retrograde step to me. |
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| 10:32.03 | valdyn | i doubt anyone familiar with debian would use it but its probably the easier short term solution hack for beginners |
| 10:32.08 | kevix | gnufan: if you have the time, sure, I'd go with the 'debian way'. but if you have to install it on say suse or gentoo...' |
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| 10:34.05 | kevix | gnufan: I saw it when someone wanted to do a talk at my lug. and I had given him my computer to use. he just untar'ed and he gave the demo. |
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| 10:34.20 | tarzeau | what are the changes to linux kernel config file to switch from initrd to no initrd? |
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| 10:34.41 | valdyn | tarzeau: the kernel itself does not need a change to use no initrd |
| 10:34.48 | liable | tarzeau: compile the necessary drivers in, and dont build initrd |
| 10:34.54 | tarzeau | liable: ah thanks |
| 10:34.56 | valdyn | tarzeau: you are probably talking about the boot manager? |
| 10:35.02 | tarzeau | valdyn: somehow it hangs at vfs root something something |
| 10:35.16 | valdyn | tarzeau: i see, what liable sais then.. |
| 10:35.18 | tarzeau | valdyn: no no, i built a better kernel, but it can't mount root |
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| 10:35.34 | tarzeau | i've had that several times... and don't remember the fix |
| 10:36.01 | valdyn | tarzeau: you miss the drivers ( to be compiled in ) that are needed to mount your root fs |
| 10:36.18 | Greek-Boy | how do i manually configure network interface. I thought it was vi /etc/interfaces but apparently not |
| 10:36.19 | tarzeau | valdyn: i compiled in scsi/sata support, what else could be missing? |
| 10:36.28 | valdyn | tarzeau: the filesystem |
| 10:36.32 | tarzeau | Greek-Boy: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 10:36.40 | Greek-Boy | oh |
| 10:36.41 | Greek-Boy | thanks |
| 10:36.43 | tarzeau | valdyn: arf... ext2/3 fix in, instead of modules? |
| 10:36.51 | valdyn | tarzeau: yea |
| 10:36.57 | tarzeau | valdyn: thanks alot! |
| 10:37.11 | tarzeau | Greek-Boy: and then ifup eth0 |
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| 10:37.22 | ma3x | list |
| 10:37.23 | pave | hey, when installing the newest debian and detecting hardware, it freezes at 91% when loading module "sd_mod" (i got a SATA disk) |
| 10:37.41 | valdyn | pave: newest ? |
| 10:37.41 | tarzeau | pave: kernel version? |
| 10:37.50 | valdyn | !latest |
| 10:37.50 | pave | think it's 2.6 |
| 10:37.51 | dpkg | from memory, latest is not meaningful. Latest when? Latest in what distribution? Latest stable or latest development? Refer to software by version number - that's what it's for. Refer to debian by its codename or other identifiable feature: 'woody' (3.0), 'sarge' (3.1), 'etch' (testing), 'sid' (unstable). |
| 10:38.07 | pave | ah, 3.1 |
| 10:38.09 | knoppers | !xfs |
| 10:38.10 | dpkg | it has been said that xfs is the filesystem developed by SGI for high-performance journalling and large disk support. see http://linux-xfs.sgi.com/projects/xfs/ or http://www.lwfug.org/debian/ for xfs deb tools and deb kernels, or far better and more mature than reiserfs, but not as mature (in linux) as ext3. check out http://people.debian.org/~blade/XFS-Install/ if you want to install woody with XFS support, or more ISOs are at ... |
| 10:38.20 | tarzeau | pave: ahhh that's an old kernel |
| 10:38.24 | pave | oh |
| 10:38.30 | knoppers | !xfonts |
| 10:38.30 | dpkg | If you are manually installing X using apt-get you will need xfonts-base. If your font aliases get corrupted, you can try dpkg-reconfigure xfonts-base, yet if all else fails you will need to dpkg -P xfonts-base && apt-get install xfonts-base, so that the configuration for the fonts used in X are restored. |
| 10:38.31 | tarzeau | pave: and its sata support isn't teh bestest |
| 10:38.35 | valdyn | pave: try giving the linux26 boot option |
| 10:38.41 | pave | okay |
| 10:38.41 | Greek-Boy | tarzeau thanks :) |
| 10:38.45 | pave | gotta try that --> |
| 10:38.48 | knoppers | !debian |
| 10:38.48 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 10:38.51 | valdyn | pave: if that doesnt work : |
| 10:38.54 | tarzeau | or use kmuto installer |
| 10:38.54 | valdyn | !sarge 2.6.15 |
| 10:38.54 | dpkg | hmm... sarge 2.6.15 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm or for amd64/em64t http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615-amd64.htm |
| 10:38.56 | tarzeau | !kmuto |
| 10:39.04 | ma3x | valdyn, paste me again that url for the sid glx, i'll ya? |
| 10:39.04 | knoppers | !john |
| 10:39.10 | pave | oh |
| 10:39.11 | knoppers | !ifconfig |
| 10:39.11 | dpkg | well, ifconfig is the tool you use in Debian to setup how your machine decides how to process "if" conditional statements. if you type `ifconfig all-true` everything will be true. someone also told me it has to viewing and configuring your networking interfaces... |
| 10:39.11 | valdyn | !ati drivers |
| 10:39.11 | dpkg | If you wish to use ATI's closed-source binary fglrx driver, then follow the instructions on http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian-official/fglrx-driver.html - do NOT try to convert the drivers from ATI's website yourself with Alien. These drivers support Radeon 8500 or higher cards. |
| 10:39.23 | valdyn | ma3x: those ati drivers are already in sid |
| 10:39.25 | knoppers | !shutdown |
| 10:39.25 | dpkg | from memory, shutdown is "shutdown -h" now |
| 10:39.30 | valdyn | ma3x: so you dont need that special url |
| 10:39.32 | ma3x | valdyn, so how do I install them? |
| 10:39.35 | knoppers | !thanks |
| 10:39.35 | dpkg | bitte, knoppers |
| 10:39.38 | pngwn | !pmm |
| 10:39.38 | dpkg | rumour has it, pmm is please /msg me, don't make me spew to the channel, or you can go to #debian-bots if you want to play with me |
| 10:39.46 | knoppers | !4u |
| 10:39.53 | knoppers | !pngwn |
| 10:39.54 | dpkg | it has been said that pngwn is Women want him, Fish fear him... |
| 10:40.00 | valdyn | ma3x: apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 10:40.04 | knoppers | !knoppers |
| 10:40.11 | knoppers | !please |
| 10:40.12 | dpkg | Do I look like an information bitch, knoppers? |
| 10:40.15 | tux | knoppers, stop |
| 10:40.23 | knoppers | tux ok |
| 10:40.50 | ma3x | valdyn, it says fglrx, what is fglrx? |
| 10:41.12 | DJ-Marcuzz | does someone have superkaramba running in xfce4, becasu i cant install kde on testing :S |
| 10:41.20 | valdyn | ma3x: ati's driver |
| 10:41.32 | valdyn | ma3x: fire gl ... |
| 10:41.44 | ma3x | valdyn, ! I don't have that installed |
| 10:41.50 | ma3x | m-a says it doesnt' know it |
| 10:41.59 | ma3x | and I don't have this. /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: xserver-xorg is not installed |
| 10:42.09 | valdyn | ma3x: so you dont even have sid installed |
| 10:42.16 | ma3x | valdyn, of course I do! |
| 10:42.21 | valdyn | ma3x: wonder why you told me you had sid |
| 10:42.26 | ma3x | I HAVE! |
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| 10:42.40 | ma3x | Linux localhost 2.6.15-1-686 #2 Mon Mar 6 15:27:08 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 10:42.43 | valdyn | ma3x: sid but no X, or not sid and not even etch |
| 10:42.54 | valdyn | !non-free |
| 10:42.55 | dpkg | somebody said non-free was always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there or contrib, or #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html |
| 10:42.59 | valdyn | ma3x: fglrx is in non-free |
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| 10:43.44 | ma3x | well you should have told me that in the beginning |
| 10:44.15 | valdyn | ma3x: sid users should be familar with finding packages ) |
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| 10:50.07 | ma3x | valdyn, I did that, but there is still not Direct Rendering enabled |
| 10:50.31 | nevyn | hrm so this is way cool |
| 10:50.35 | nevyn | http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1936672,00.asp |
| 10:50.39 | nevyn | in a scary kinda way |
| 10:51.36 | nevyn | the concept of hijacking the target os with a rootkit and re-hosting it in a hypervisor is brilliant |
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| 10:54.37 | ma3x | valdyn, ? |
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| 10:54.39 | nitwit666 | can somebody help me with VSFTPD |
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| 10:55.17 | nitwit666 | I want to lock the local users into an other directory |
| 10:55.43 | nitwit666 | instead of the default home directory |
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| 10:56.23 | nevyn | make the other directory their home directory and make their shell chroot them? |
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| 10:57.22 | nitwit666 | oke how do i change their home directory? |
| 10:57.56 | kevix | nitwit666: would that be in /etc/passwd |
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| 10:58.41 | netman1 | nitwit666: usermod -d |
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| 10:58.59 | lightcap | why would I be getting: The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 10:58.59 | lightcap | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:58.59 | lightcap | E: Broken packages when just trying to install perl? |
| 10:59.10 | ma3x | valdyn, does this mean glx is enabled? when I test with 'glxgears' I get following 2302 frames in 5.0 seconds = 460.305 FPS |
| 10:59.11 | lightcap | oops, sorry, thought that was one line |
| 10:59.12 | ma3x | is that good? |
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| 11:00.12 | liable | lightcap: do you have security in your sources list? |
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| 11:00.47 | lightcap | liable: yeah |
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| 11:00.48 | liable | lightcap: paste your list on a paster |
| 11:00.51 | ma3x | how can I make mplayer to be able to select the menu of my DVD? |
| 11:00.53 | lightcap | okay |
| 11:00.58 | ma3x | in windows media player you can always select the menus |
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| 11:01.06 | ma3x | but I've tried with vlc and mplayer, and it doesnt work |
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| 11:01.56 | lightcap | liable: http://rafb.net/paste/results/WcjJyp47.html |
| 11:01.57 | netman1 | Hi All, what would be the the place to store a menu script and its belongings on a Debian system? /etc, /usr/share, /usr/local/bin? |
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| 11:03.09 | kevix | netman1: have you looked at 'locate menu' |
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| 11:03.27 | yggdrasil | whats up gents |
| 11:03.36 | yggdrasil | how can i unrar something in debian ? |
| 11:04.09 | `ns` | unrar-nonfree as I recall |
| 11:04.14 | netman1 | kevix: now I did, and it names all the places that I did ;-) |
| 11:04.20 | liable | lightcap: hrm, looks ok, though you can remove the non-free lines. can you paste the apt error? |
| 11:04.31 | priscila | yggdrasil: you need install rar tool |
| 11:04.38 | liable | lightcap: err, non-us i mean.. |
| 11:04.57 | lightcap | liable: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Wkrqi552.html |
| 11:05.21 | yggdrasil | priscila such as ? |
| 11:05.29 | priscila | `ns`: i dont have any entry for non-free repositories, and rar appears when i run apt-cache search .. |
| 11:05.38 | `ns` | yggdrasil, if you install the 'free' unrar you will only be able to process rar's made in the 90's |
| 11:05.43 | priscila | yggdrasil: apt-cache search ^rar |
| 11:05.52 | yggdrasil | haha |
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| 11:06.03 | tux | haha |
| 11:06.06 | Chance | hi all |
| 11:06.07 | Martin__ | hey all |
| 11:06.10 | tux | yggdrasil, hi |
| 11:06.12 | Chance | stew you around ? |
| 11:06.14 | tux | Chance, hi |
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| 11:06.23 | tux | Martin__, hi |
| 11:06.33 | Martin__ | I'm wanderiing what are the main differences between Deb and Ubuntu.. |
| 11:06.59 | priscila | Martin__: ubuntu is a debian fork |
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| 11:07.10 | kevix | Martin__: there are many.... anything particular you want to know |
| 11:07.32 | Chance | i am stuck to shit issue, anyone that can help ? -> http://pastebin.com/595669 |
| 11:07.35 | liable | lightcap: you have perl-base from sid.. |
| 11:07.40 | sussudio | Martin__: basically, ubuntu is for people who can't figure out how to read docs or configure things. |
| 11:07.43 | priscila | Martin__: are many differences betwen them |
| 11:07.52 | tux | tell Martin__ about ubuntu |
| 11:07.56 | Chance | i am trying to debootstrap |
| 11:07.59 | lightcap | yeah, but how? this is a debootstrap of sarge |
| 11:08.07 | tux | !tell Martin__ -about ubuntu |
| 11:08.10 | lightcap | liable: is there any way to downgrade? |
| 11:08.27 | yggdrasil | tux hi |
| 11:08.33 | Martin__ | Well, i want a box i can use for GAIm, xchat, media, open office.... but also some programming .. |
| 11:08.42 | priscila | sussudio: you say this because you dont know kurumin ;) |
| 11:09.17 | liable | lightcap: well, you have sid sources.. if you installed ruby, and something it depends on, depends on perl-base.. whats dpkg-l libc6 say? and no, you cant downgrade |
| 11:09.18 | Martin__ | i guess i can do that on both.. |
| 11:09.19 | kevix | Martin__: any distro can do that. |
| 11:09.36 | Martin__ | yeah, lol |
| 11:10.00 | tux | lightcap, you cannot do real and ful downgrade using apt |
| 11:10.02 | Martin__ | Well why do u use Deb rather than ubuntu? |
| 11:10.08 | kevix | Martin__: althought I like that you can get free cd's from ubuntu. |
| 11:10.12 | tux | lightcap, it's somebody said debian sucks |
| 11:10.18 | lightcap | liable: this is a root filesystem from a uml site... |
| 11:10.26 | dark_light | i created recently a partition named /dev/sda16.. there is my table.. http://pastebin.com/595989 , but my /dev/sda* have only the "sda sda1 sda10 sda11 sda12 sda13 sda14 sda15 sda2 sda3 sda5 sda6 sda7 sda8 sda9" files.. what should i do? there is any problem to have so many partitions? i heard that extended supports 256 partitions |
| 11:10.30 | liable | lightcap: so? |
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| 11:10.58 | lightcap | liable: just saying, not sure how it got sid packages...it was supposed to be a straight debootstrap of 3.1 |
| 11:11.00 | kevix | Martin__: that would take a long time to explain. |
| 11:11.27 | Martin__ | kevix, mind pming me some examples.. |
| 11:12.02 | liable | lightcap: well, you have some nastiness there, i bet if you dig deeper, you wont like what you find. whats libc6 version? |
| 11:12.43 | lightcap | yeah, I'm thinking the same...bummer. I just wanted a root filesystem that I don't have to upgrade for this uml instance, and I'm not sure about how to go about making my own... |
| 11:12.48 | kevix | Martin__: for one I have used Debian longer... |
| 11:12.56 | Martin__ | right |
| 11:13.09 | lightcap | liable: 2.3.5-13 |
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| 11:13.11 | kevix | Martin__: I know how to fix it better.... |
| 11:13.18 | Martin__ | k |
| 11:13.35 | nonix4 | Any ideas on how to prevent 'gv' from making X use 1.2 gigabytes of VSZ when handling a 200k .ps? |
| 11:13.44 | liable | !info libc6 etch |
| 11:13.47 | nonix4 | (need I say swap-to-death?) |
| 11:13.49 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.5-13 (etch), Packaged size: 4911 kB, Installed size: 16728 kB |
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| 11:14.06 | kevix | Martin__: I dont want to use a distro that is desktop-user based |
| 11:14.06 | liable | lightcap: strange, you have etches version.. |
| 11:14.12 | Martin__ | kevix, mind if i PM briefly? |
| 11:14.13 | lightcap | liable: good lord. |
| 11:14.26 | yggdrasil | i dont see anything tha would e goodto unrar with |
| 11:14.33 | lightcap | I'm dropping this root filesystem... |
| 11:14.33 | kevix | Martin__: ok. |
| 11:14.40 | liable | lightcap: basically, you arent running stable.. :( |
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| 11:14.59 | ma3x | please help me with xine |
| 11:15.02 | ma3x | I get the following error |
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| 11:15.15 | ma3x | There is no input plugin available to handle 'dvd:/' |
| 11:15.16 | nonix4 | I'm || <- this close to running out of swap space already - needless to say, X is frozen swapping and I'm @console. |
| 11:15.31 | lightcap | liable: that's just wierd...but not worth the trouble...Ill have to figure out how to make my own root filesystem for uml |
| 11:16.44 | yggdrasil | does anyone know what ican use to unrar something ... console based |
| 11:17.10 | sjr | apt-cache show unrar |
| 11:17.29 | tux | !rar |
| 11:17.29 | dpkg | from memory, rar is an archiver used mostly by 3l33+ war3z d00dz, or the worst file format ever, or ask me about unrar |
| 11:17.32 | nonix4 | How do I turn a bounding-box .ps into bunch of A4s? |
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| 11:17.40 | tux | !unrar |
| 11:17.40 | dpkg | rumour has it, unrar is a non-free package and a command used to extract .rar archives, or ask me about unrar-free |
| 11:18.01 | yggdrasil | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:18.15 | bartden | hi, can someone give me a proper link wich helps me to make Ati X700 work under Xorg 6.9.0, thx |
| 11:18.17 | tux | !unrar-free |
| 11:18.18 | dpkg | i guess unrar-free is an unarchiver for .rar files that can't handle archives in the RAR 3.0 format, which is by far the most used RAR format (ask me about unrar for 3.0). in main unstable |
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| 11:18.27 | sjr | nonix4: maybe ImageMagick can help? |
| 11:18.27 | `ns` | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=sourcenames&version=all&exact=1&keywords=unrar-nonfree |
| 11:18.38 | liable | yggdrasil: yeah, but it doesnt do the latest rar version |
| 11:18.45 | Chance | liable can you please help me ? i am trying to debootstrap and i made all partitions, runed debootstrap on /dev/sda3 and i have chrooted on it, mounter proc partition and now trying to install the kernel but getting some errors |
| 11:18.47 | sjr | ma3x: make sure xine is configured with the correct DVD device |
| 11:19.02 | extase | I want install debian. I have a amd 64 processor. what is the right version? intel ia-64? |
| 11:19.21 | liable | Chance: um, can try. |
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| 11:19.41 | liable | !amd64 |
| 11:19.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 11:19.48 | liable | extase: ^^ |
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| 11:20.41 | `ns` | yggdrasil, you just need to add non-free to your sources list ... |
| 11:20.46 | Chance | liable this is first error i get when trying to install kernel http://pastebin.com/596044 |
| 11:20.50 | Chance | image* |
| 11:20.58 | yggdrasil | liabe oh well |
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| 11:21.22 | Chance | i am already chrooted on the /dev/sda3 where i debootstrap |
| 11:21.25 | yggdrasil | just dld a ton of rolling stones but its rarred |
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| 11:21.50 | yggdrasil | ill try free-rar first |
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| 11:22.12 | `ns` | I suspect the rolling stones came from a non-free source ...... |
| 11:22.12 | Chance | liable so i thaught it might be because of lilo or something and checked about it this is the output to that: http://pastebin.com/595669 |
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| 11:23.04 | kevix | yggdrasil: rolling stones? like mick jagger? |
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| 11:23.24 | `ns` | but they're old enough they should be in lzh, or zoo <g> |
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| 11:23.59 | liable | Chance: tried mount -a in the chroot |
| 11:24.01 | liable | ?? |
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| 11:24.23 | kevix | liable: did he mount /proc and usbfs |
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| 11:24.31 | Chance | nope didn't |
| 11:24.33 | derek_57hgf | hello,what would be the best way to copy my entire opereting system to another drive? |
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| 11:24.45 | Coweater | is a source repository required for build-dep to work? |
| 11:24.46 | Chance | kevix proc is mounted |
| 11:24.47 | kevix | derek_57hgf: I like using dd |
| 11:24.58 | derek_57hgf | thanks |
| 11:25.02 | Martin__ | kevix, why no reply? |
| 11:25.03 | liable | kevix: thats what mount -a should do :) (well /proc anyway) |
| 11:25.11 | kevix | Martin__: huh? |
| 11:25.13 | Chance | liable did the mount -a |
| 11:25.19 | Martin__ | I pm'd yah |
| 11:25.31 | Dewi | how is chmod 1777 different from 777? |
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| 11:25.39 | Chance | liable but same thing |
| 11:25.39 | kevix | oh. I'm not familar with irrsi |
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| 11:26.07 | liable | Chance: does proc show mounted if you type 'mount'? |
| 11:26.10 | kevix | anyone know how to reply to a private chat in irssi? |
| 11:26.24 | Chance | liable yes twice |
| 11:26.41 | Ketsa | looking for a good torrent client |
| 11:26.51 | Ketsa | not under x if possible |
| 11:26.52 | Chance | liable http://pastebin.com/596047 |
| 11:26.53 | vin` | kevix: if it's in a query window, just type away. ;P |
| 11:27.24 | kevix | vin`: if I'd here, will one just appear and take me away from #debian? |
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| 11:28.26 | vin` | kevix: depends on how you set it up, if I do /query foo, I'll get a new window with focus. |
| 11:28.56 | fiveiron | bleh..i love it when a storm rolls through with hail and crazy lightning about 1 hour before i get up.... :( |
| 11:29.22 | liable | its the weekend. :) |
| 11:29.34 | Chance | liable so? any clue ? |
| 11:29.42 | kevix | Martin__: did you get my pm? |
| 11:29.49 | Martin__ | no :( |
| 11:30.03 | kevix | Martin__: how about doing to #flood ? |
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| 11:30.19 | liable | Chance: not atm. |
| 11:30.29 | Chance | liable may i private you please ? |
| 11:30.51 | Chance | for 1 min not even 1 min |
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| 11:31.09 | assasukasse | hi all |
| 11:31.13 | Irrumator | Ketsa: Try rtorrent |
| 11:31.19 | cahoot | Dewi: http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/lpt/22_06.html |
| 11:31.25 | assasukasse | i need an info about strace |
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| 11:32.05 | liable | Chance: sure |
| 11:32.08 | quitte_ | hi. what does || do? |
| 11:32.13 | Chance | Thank you |
| 11:32.15 | Dewi | cahoot: oh. handy. thank you. |
| 11:32.28 | Irrumator | quitte_: man bash |
| 11:32.33 | Ketsa | Irrumator: thanks |
| 11:32.49 | fiveiron | so this is a feminist channel? |
| 11:32.57 | fiveiron | pfft... all this man bashing... *sigh* |
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| 11:33.05 | Irrumator | haha |
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| 11:34.27 | tux | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:34.32 | ma3x | I got this warning while installing xine |
| 11:34.34 | ma3x | WARNING! No X11 output plugins will be built. |
| 11:34.37 | ma3x | is that serious? |
| 11:34.39 | quitte_ | Irrumator: ok found it thanks |
| 11:34.39 | ma3x | I'm running xorg |
| 11:34.50 | Irrumator | np |
| 11:35.22 | ma3x | hellooooooo |
| 11:35.37 | tux | hi |
| 11:35.38 | fiveiron | try #xine |
| 11:35.58 | ma3x | yeah im trying |
| 11:36.01 | ma3x | noone's replyign |
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| 11:37.19 | Irrumator | ma3x: "Installing xine" as in building it from source? |
| 11:37.33 | ma3x | yeah! |
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| 11:37.55 | Irrumator | Why are you building it from source when you could just apt-get it? |
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| 11:38.00 | DevilChaos | hi folks |
| 11:38.00 | fiveiron | good grief! ..what is up with these thunderstorms lately |
| 11:38.05 | fiveiron | its like it never stops |
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| 11:38.15 | ma3x | Irrumator, because it's displaying errors!!! |
| 11:38.20 | DevilChaos | weve got snow here in scotland |
| 11:38.27 | ma3x | Irrumator, it says it can't read /dev/hdc or /dev/cdrom or /dev/dvd or whatever |
| 11:38.29 | ma3x | it never reads it |
| 11:38.34 | ma3x | and there is no /home/ma3x/.xine |
| 11:38.40 | fiveiron | we got hail here about 1 hour ago |
| 11:38.42 | ma3x | so nothing fucking works |
| 11:38.55 | DevilChaos | does debsums make a log of the failed items when its finished running? |
| 11:38.58 | ma3x | and when I ask someone here or in #xine they don't help |
| 11:39.00 | Irrumator | ma3x: Do you have proper permissions on those device nodes? |
| 11:39.11 | ma3x | Irrumator, yes of course I checked that , it's 666 |
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| 11:39.25 | DevilChaos | the devil lives lol |
| 11:39.50 | Irrumator | Check that you have the plugins needed for playing DVDs. IIRC, it's the decss library. If you have marillat in your apt sources, you should be able to get what's necessary. |
| 11:40.14 | ma3x | Irrumator, what's necessary? I don't like VLC because it doesn't have menu support for dvds |
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| 11:40.49 | Irrumator | You use totem or gxine? |
| 11:40.58 | cahoot | ma3x: http://dvd.sourceforge.net/xine-howto/en_GB/html/howto.html |
| 11:41.16 | DevilChaos | irrumator: do you know if debsums makes a log of actions? i suppose i should look in /var/log/messages but just thought id ask? |
| 11:41.27 | cahoot | ma3x: or rather: http://xinehq.de/index.php/faq |
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| 11:42.28 | Irrumator | DevilChaos: /var/log/messages probably wouldn't be the place, check the package documentation. |
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| 11:43.00 | DevilChaos | ah |
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| 11:43.09 | Krabiz | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:43.13 | DevilChaos | hello |
| 11:43.13 | an0y | hello ! |
| 11:43.27 | ma3x | I forgot, how do I use 'find' to quickly search for all locations of 'xine' |
| 11:44.35 | vin` | ma3x: locate xine |
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| 11:44.52 | ma3x | vin`, I have to updatedb for that!!! |
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| 11:45.56 | vin` | ma3x: get off irc, run updatedb and man find while you're at it. |
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| 11:46.25 | ma3x | vin`, whatever |
| 11:46.52 | quitte | so that's why my computer wakes me up in the morning :p |
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| 11:49.49 | EmleyMoor | I have successfully compiled openobex (need to compile for reasons of USB support) on my laptop but when I compile it on my desktop, the command-line tools for it are not installed |
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| 11:51.25 | ma3x | how do I disable the loading of the genrtc module on system bootup |
| 11:51.43 | EmleyMoor | I don't know what I can do to solve the problem |
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| 11:52.47 | yggdrasil | how do i get the splash screen to be diplayed instead of all the dmesg |
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| 11:53.18 | liable | !splashy |
| 11:53.18 | dpkg | from memory, splashy is a basic userspace bootsplash package which is currently in experimental but works in sarge all right. http://splashy.alioth.debian.org/ and backported pacakges for sarge are available here: http://layer-acht.org/splashy/ |
| 11:53.32 | liable | yggdrasil: bootsplash in debian is a pain in the ass |
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| 11:55.31 | yggdrasil | liable realy tahtslam |
| 11:56.16 | liable | huh? |
| 11:56.26 | yggdrasil | i thought it was jsut about adding somethihng to grub menu.lst |
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| 11:58.50 | liable | yggdrasil: shit no. it involves kernel patches generally, except for that splashy program.. |
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| 11:59.05 | knoppers | do i need to have installed xfs to use fonts? |
| 11:59.12 | yggdrasil | liable i have this kernel customized.. |
| 11:59.20 | yggdrasil | i thought i addded all that stuff |
| 11:59.20 | gilles | hy all |
| 12:00.38 | tux | hi all |
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| 12:01.19 | gilles | does anyone have any advice to set up a backup system ? is there any howto? i have 3 debian server each has a DAT tape drive |
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| 12:02.08 | gilles | i'll be doing incremental backup daily on 2 of them... i'd like a tool that can locate files easily... i was fond of the "restore -i" way of lilfe |
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| 12:02.51 | vin` | gilles: looked at amanda? |
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| 12:03.14 | gilles | nope, i tried flexbackup... amanda seemed a bit too much |
| 12:03.29 | knoppers | is it necessary to have xfs installed? is there another way? |
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| 12:05.38 | EmleyMoor | I want to get openobex working on my desktop machine, but it isn't all being installed when I compile it. (I am compiling because without doing so, I get no USB support) |
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| 12:07.45 | Fear_cult | any way to allow me as a user to use apt instead of su'ing or sudoing |
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| 12:08.25 | CaT[tm] | sockets in TIME_WAIT state are waiting to close/go away, right? |
| 12:08.44 | djp | which is the better option for installing packages from the command-line. aptitude or apt-get? |
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| 12:09.29 | knoppers | djp i think apt-get for programs available on the debianservers |
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| 12:10.06 | knoppers | djp and dpkg is used for programs, you download on your own |
| 12:10.24 | knoppers | djp and aptitude is for people can't work with the others |
| 12:10.47 | liable | huh? |
| 12:10.52 | liable | !aptitude |
| 12:10.52 | dpkg | from memory, aptitude is a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg03138.html. But be careful boys'n'grilfs: Bug# 299009 |
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| 12:11.15 | djp | knoppers, thanks. and i gather synaptic is the gui for apt-get, right? |
| 12:11.19 | djp | cheers liable |
| 12:11.30 | liable | knoppers: aptitude generally has better dependancy solutions. |
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| 12:11.39 | knoppers | djp yes |
| 12:11.54 | knoppers | liable apt-get, too. |
| 12:12.39 | djp | aptitude keeps a record of packages installed where as apt-get does not. is that right? |
| 12:12.40 | wireddd | after a couple of hours of tinkering I finally got my dvdrip cluster working! |
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| 12:13.13 | knoppers | djp but dpkg -l does tell you, what packages are installed |
| 12:13.14 | liable | djp: yes, though newer versions of dpkg do too. aptitude is generally the better option. |
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| 12:13.40 | djp | cheers knoppers and liable |
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| 12:13.55 | liable | knoppers: its a log... telling you what you installed yesterday, so you can take a look if something starts crapping itself.. |
| 12:14.02 | ma3x | liable can you help me out with xine? |
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| 12:14.14 | liable | ma3x: never used it. sorry |
| 12:14.33 | Coke | In /var/log/exim4/mainlog I can see a lot undelivered (frozen) e-mails, but no clue as to why. What option should I set in order to make exim log why the message is frozen? |
| 12:14.36 | knoppers | liable ok, you won. i'm also a newbie on debian |
| 12:14.46 | ma3x | liable, what do you use for playing DVD? |
| 12:14.54 | Coke | (I don't want generally more verbose logging, just the reason for freezing is OK) |
| 12:14.59 | liable | ma3x: mplayer |
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| 12:15.09 | ma3x | liable but mplayer has no DVD MENU support |
| 12:15.26 | liable | ma3x: it has a 'play dvd' button |
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| 12:16.01 | liable | ma3x: open -> play dvd |
| 12:16.09 | ma3x | liable, gmplayer? |
| 12:16.14 | liable | yes |
| 12:16.39 | liable | mplayer doesnt have buttons.. :) |
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| 12:17.15 | ma3x | liable it says Failed to open dvd://1 |
| 12:17.21 | ma3x | I don't know why it reaches for dvd://1? |
| 12:17.40 | liable | ma3x: it can be set in preferences.. |
| 12:17.48 | liable | anyway, /me -> bed |
| 12:17.56 | ma3x | liable, |
| 12:18.04 | ma3x | it's already set /dev/dvd and /dev/cdrom |
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| 12:20.13 | zOap | when opening other apps from term, it locks the term, so you have to Ctrl-c to release it. Does anyone know of an option to release it in the bash command itself? |
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| 12:20.47 | Jhair | zOap: (command&) |
| 12:20.52 | Jhair | zOap: with the parenthesis |
| 12:21.16 | zOap | Jhair, uhm, nice. thank you:) |
| 12:22.29 | djp | liable, why when i run aptitude install sox, does it then say it is going to remove 250 odd packages, including m,ost of gnome and also install 1 package sox? |
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| 12:23.45 | djp | sorry, does anyone know why when i run aptitude install sox it tells me it is going to remove 250 packages and install the 1, sox? |
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| 12:24.54 | zOap | because these 250 apps conflct with the sox version you are trying to install |
| 12:26.27 | eg | I get "Fontconfig error: Cannot load default config file |
| 12:26.27 | eg | " whenever I launch an application and wrong fonts are displayed in most applications. I'm running amd64 unstable. One week ago I ran 386 unstable, and I didn't have that problem. Wondering if this is caused by me or by a bug in the amd64 unstable branch. Does it sound familiar? |
| 12:26.31 | liable | djp: try apt-get --purge aptitude, then re-install it, and try again (if you have a normal sarge system, otherwise it could be god knows what) |
| 12:26.54 | wireddd | what do I need to change to make a directory that no matter what files are put there, anyone can read/write and delete them? |
| 12:27.01 | liable | --purge remove.. |
| 12:27.29 | Raimi | wireddd: chmod 777 thatdirectory |
| 12:27.33 | zOap | djp, check if apt has the same problem |
| 12:27.35 | Raimi | wireddd: just like /tmp |
| 12:27.56 | djp | z0ap, no apt-get is fine |
| 12:28.02 | Raimi | wireddd: chmod +t , too |
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| 12:28.09 | zOap | then install it from apt |
| 12:28.15 | wireddd | what does +t do? |
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| 12:28.30 | djp | could it possibly be that i have used apt-get, aptitude and synaptic to install packages and this has caused confusion somewhere? |
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| 12:28.47 | liable | djp: purge aptitude, then try. |
| 12:28.50 | dwarf | hiho |
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| 12:29.10 | liable | djp: and once you start using it, dont swap and change |
| 12:29.36 | djp | liable, got you. |
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| 12:31.53 | EmleyMoor | All fixed |
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| 12:38.20 | Phlexonance | how can I automatically mount a hdd on boot? |
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| 12:39.36 | Otmenych | ÔÏ×ÁÒÉÝÉ, Á Õ ËÏÇÏ-ÎÉÂÕÄØ ÓÅÊÞÁÓ ÅÓÔØ ÐÏÄ ÒÕËÏÊ amarok 1.4? |
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| 12:40.32 | green_earz_ | Phlexonance: the mount info needs setting up the the /etc/fstab file |
| 12:40.50 | zOap | Otmenych, why do you feel the need to post all scandinavian letters? |
| 12:40.51 | sphenxes | i am new to debian, I would like to install libdvdcss.deb on my sytem. i have the package on a CD. I changed to mount/cdrom, typed apt-get libxx.deb, i get the error: can't find the package. what I am doing wrong? |
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| 12:41.17 | aleph0 | hello everyone |
| 12:41.19 | zOap | sphenxes, dpkg -i åackaganame.deb |
| 12:41.19 | Phlexonance | green_earz_; so if i enter it in /etc/fstab it will be mounted automatically on boot? |
| 12:41.24 | oracle1 | I have debian sarge and a hitachi disk. Altho the disk feels and is extremely slow. Looking at the output of hdparm it says: |
| 12:41.28 | sphenxes | zOap, thanks |
| 12:41.29 | oracle1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:41.44 | aleph0 | what does "dev3-0" mean in the output of "sar"? |
| 12:41.45 | Otmenych | ops |
| 12:41.51 | aleph0 | the manpage says: |
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| 12:42.15 | aleph0 | device specification devm-n is generally used ( DEV column). m is the major number of the device. n is the minor number |
| 12:42.19 | aleph0 | what does that mean? |
| 12:42.23 | Otmenych | I'm sorry :) wrong channel |
| 12:42.26 | green_earz_ | Phlexonance: yes thats where the auto mount info is |
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| 12:43.37 | green_earz_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:45.04 | aleph0 | anyone? |
| 12:45.48 | phatfish | what file system makes the best use of the space avalible on the disk? fdisk reports the drive as 200gig+, but when using ext3 i loose like 20gig, seems a lot. |
| 12:46.19 | zOap | phatfish, all filesystems do. It is not the system, but the disk |
| 12:46.54 | phatfish | ok :/ |
| 12:47.16 | zOap | yeah, had that same look on my face when I found out.. |
| 12:47.21 | phatfish | heh |
| 12:47.27 | aleph0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:47.34 | phatfish | have to buy bigger drives |
| 12:47.44 | phatfish | next time :) |
| 12:47.59 | zOap | or dload less porn:) |
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| 12:49.21 | phatfish | well, it wasnt exclusively for porn :) |
| 12:49.35 | bartden | hi, can someone give me a proper link wich helps me to make Ati X700 work under Xorg 6.9.0, thx |
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| 12:51.19 | zOap | aleph0, if noone answer it is not because we a rude, but what is the point answering if we don't know the answer.. just as a notice. but you are doing a good job bumping it.. maybe someone will answer. But I'd do a google. |
| 12:51.31 | quitte | aleph0: those numbers are used in /dev to bin them to a specific function. |
| 12:51.51 | zOap | there you go:) |
| 12:51.57 | XTF | Hi. kernel.org shows 2.6.15.6 as the latest version but my Debian testing system shows 2.6.15-1. The -1 is Debian-specific, so is Debian 'stuck' at 2.6.15.0? |
| 12:52.16 | quitte | aleph0: ls -l /dev/ should give you an idea |
| 12:52.28 | valdyn | XTF: yes, its debian-specific, no its not stuck |
| 12:52.43 | XTF | valdyn: What exactly is the deal then? |
| 12:52.45 | aleph0 | yeah. I was having performance issuse. (intermittant slowdowns) and I was advised to run "sar" and see which device the I/O wait was coming from. I now know it's device 3-0. |
| 12:53.02 | valdyn | XTF: read the changelog in /usr/share/doc |
| 12:53.23 | quitte | aleph0: the kernel source has a list of devices and their major/minor numbers iirc |
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| 12:53.51 | aleph0 | " kernel source " oh dear. ;-) |
| 12:53.58 | quitte | aleph0: it's some tty |
| 12:54.01 | cahoot | XTF: the changelog says it's 2.6.15.5 |
| 12:54.15 | quitte | aleph0: ttyp0 |
| 12:54.18 | valdyn | ^^^ + debians own patches |
| 12:54.49 | XTF | valdyn: But why does uname -a not show the .5? |
| 12:54.56 | cahoot | XTF: err 2.6.15.6 actually |
| 12:54.57 | aleph0 | thanks quitte |
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| 12:55.16 | XTF | cahoot: Not on my testing, there it says .5. |
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| 12:55.46 | valdyn | XTF: because its a debian kernel, debian does not follow that 4th version number scheme but patches 2.6.X with whatever the maintainer sees fit to apply |
| 12:55.47 | cahoot | XTF: * Add stable Release 2.6.15.6: |
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| 12:56.33 | valdyn | XTF: 'incidentally' that includes those small patches, but that does not make debian follow that versioning |
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| 12:56.45 | fiveiron | hmm |
| 12:56.55 | Andy298 | how can i make a archive of all files in /home/www/ daily at 11pm etc. |
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| 12:57.02 | fiveiron | any info on upgrading/new install of xorg 7.0? |
| 12:57.19 | valdyn | fiveiron: dont do it |
| 12:57.26 | valdyn | fiveiron: its pointless |
| 12:57.35 | fiveiron | why is that? |
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| 12:57.54 | valdyn | fiveiron: because 7.0 is the same code as 6.9 with a different build system |
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| 12:58.48 | XTF | cahoot: linux-2.6 (2.6.15-8) unstable; urgency=high [ maximilian attems ] * Add stable Release 2.6.15.5: |
| 12:59.44 | XTF | cahoot: 2.6.15-8 is in unstable. At which version are you looking? |
| 12:59.54 | cahoot | XTF: the rest comes further down (at least here 2.6.15-1-k7) |
| 13:00.06 | XTF | cahoot: Ah. :) |
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| 13:01.28 | fiveiron | valdyn: but i dont have xorg installed now... so where would i find out how to install it? |
| 13:01.35 | UziMaster | How do i view system hardware in console |
| 13:01.36 | fiveiron | i'm looking throught the handbook right now |
| 13:01.42 | valdyn | !xorg |
| 13:01.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xorg is X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.0. ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg |
| 13:01.47 | valdyn | !get xorg |
| 13:01.47 | dpkg | X.Org is in Etch but not in Sarge. xserver-xorg replaces XFree86's xserver-xfree86. updating x-window-system-core/x-window-system on Etch will bring it in. for X.org on Sarge, ask me about <xorg sarge> |
| 13:01.48 | UziMaster | Like CPU, memory, hdd... |
| 13:01.56 | valdyn | !xorg sarge |
| 13:01.56 | dpkg | somebody said xorg sarge was now available at http://backports.org/ |
| 13:02.06 | chrysopa | I have an vfat USB HD mounted with usbmount. But normal users cant write to this. Why? I put all users in all groups (disk, floppy and plugdev). Any Idea? |
| 13:02.06 | fiveiron | ah cool |
| 13:02.07 | fiveiron | thx |
| 13:02.21 | valdyn | !vfatrw |
| 13:02.21 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS, if you replace "vfat" with "ntfs" (although you can't currently easily _write_ to NTFS with Linux).. |
| 13:02.46 | valdyn | chrysopa: this was a horribly stupid idea to put all users into the disk group |
| 13:03.27 | valdyn | chrysopa: now every user can fuck with your disks, but still none of them can mount any |
| 13:03.57 | tarzeau | qc-quickcam modules don't work with 2.6? |
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| 13:04.14 | chrysopa | valdyn, OK, I can see that this is no the problem, I can remove the users from disk, but I dont undestabnd the problem of permission. |
| 13:04.32 | valdyn | chrysopa: dpkg said it |
| 13:04.39 | tarzeau | who asked me to package tavli3d? |
| 13:04.47 | valdyn | !wikifaq chrysopa Permissions |
| 13:04.47 | dpkg | chrysopa: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 13:06.59 | chrysopa | It dont fix my problem, the problem is how to usbmount mount this device. |
| 13:07.18 | chrysopa | I configure usbmount, but it dont work. |
| 13:07.23 | NeverMore_ | hi all i need to know the memory used by a text mode program, how can i do that? |
| 13:07.26 | idefx | Hi there, i've got a problem: i'm running a debian unstable, and a few days ago, while dist-uprgading it, I lost my X. And i can't install it anymore, because xserver-common depends on x11-common, and x11-common conflicts with xserver-common. Anyone knows it, and have as olution ? |
| 13:08.20 | insidius | How do i long into mysql from command line? The exact command would really help |
| 13:08.35 | tarzeau | NeverMore_: free -m |
| 13:08.47 | NeverMore_ | free -m namefile? |
| 13:08.50 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 13:08.50 | dpkg | somebody said sid faq was http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
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| 13:09.02 | tarzeau | NeverMore_: ah only by that one program? |
| 13:09.12 | NeverMore_ | yep |
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| 13:09.39 | cahoot | insidius: mysql -u <user> -p |
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| 13:10.17 | NeverMore_ | tarzeau: yes only by that program |
| 13:10.57 | UziMaster | how can i view a list of system harwares? |
| 13:10.58 | tarzeau | NeverMore_: well dunno |
| 13:11.10 | tarzeau | NeverMore_: run free -m; your program, and free -m again |
| 13:11.18 | tarzeau | UziMaster: lspci ? hwinfo ? |
| 13:11.52 | insidius | Thanks cahoot, this is my first time without a gui heh, im trying to learn to do without |
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| 13:12.27 | NeverMore_ | tarzeau: do u know any way to take off proggies from RAM and put them on swap, i need more free mem to run a prog that can't use swap.. |
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| 13:12.52 | tarzeau | NeverMore_: how much ram do you need? and what program is that? |
| 13:12.58 | valdyn | NeverMore_: there's no way |
| 13:13.00 | tarzeau | NeverMore_: just close all programs you don't need |
| 13:13.03 | NeverMore_ | is a montecarlo analysis program |
| 13:13.06 | chrysopa | How to specify more then one partition type in the FS_MOUNTOPTIONS in the usbmount.conf? |
| 13:13.15 | NeverMore_ | tarzeau: should i go to init 3? |
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| 13:13.21 | Coweater | the kernel handles swapping, the program has no control of that |
| 13:13.31 | roxy_ | Hi. I am looking for a music(possibly video) manager. I like Music Player. What would be the kde app for that? |
| 13:13.35 | valdyn | Coweater: not exactly |
| 13:13.35 | tarzeau | NeverMore_: no |
| 13:13.37 | chrysopa | I can put -fstype=vfat,ntfs? |
| 13:13.49 | Irrumator | roxy_: amarok might fit your needs. |
| 13:13.51 | tarzeau | UziMaster: why did hwinfo not work? STOP QUERYING ME |
| 13:13.52 | Coweater | rox: amarok, juk for music |
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| 13:13.59 | tarzeau | UziMaster: it works for me. are you root? |
| 13:13.59 | roxy_ | Irrumator: thanks |
| 13:14.14 | NeverMore_ | tarzeau: with kde i have only 30 meg free, with shell i have around 60...but seems the proggies needs more |
| 13:14.18 | lightcap | why would root not be able to login after a debootstrap? |
| 13:14.20 | UziMaster | <tarzeau>i'm root |
| 13:14.30 | UziMaster | hwinfo: command not found |
| 13:14.35 | tarzeau | UziMaster: lshw? |
| 13:14.36 | valdyn | NeverMore_: why dont you jsut run the 'proggies' ? |
| 13:14.44 | tarzeau | UziMaster: of course you need to install them first |
| 13:14.45 | lightcap | there's an entry in /etc/passwd for root, and I can create other users and login just fine... |
| 13:14.53 | UziMaster | lshw didnt work |
| 13:14.55 | UziMaster | hix |
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| 13:14.57 | tarzeau | NeverMore_: memory is cheap these days |
| 13:15.00 | lightcap | but root can't login |
| 13:15.03 | tarzeau | NeverMore_: buy some gigabytes |
| 13:15.03 | UziMaster | do i have to install them |
| 13:15.08 | tarzeau | UziMaster: yes |
| 13:15.12 | NeverMore_ | valdyn: i've an old 800meg cpu with 384 ram.. |
| 13:15.23 | UziMaster | yeah, yeah, understood, thank u |
| 13:15.33 | NeverMore_ | tarzeau: i will never find sdram for cheap.. |
| 13:15.47 | valdyn | NeverMore_: so? what error are you getting? |
| 13:16.01 | roxy_ | Irrumator: ooh: apt-get install amarok : 221 upgraded, 51 newly installed, 18 to remove |
| 13:16.15 | NeverMore_ | "killed" |
| 13:16.18 | Coweater | yikes, when's the last time you upgraded? |
| 13:16.34 | Irrumator | I assume you don't upgrade routinely? |
| 13:16.57 | roxy_ | 2-3 days ago, I switch to debian last saturday |
| 13:17.12 | NeverMore_ | i got a strace output if u want to see: execve (/*15vars*/)=-1 ENOMEM (cannot allocate memory) |
| 13:17.23 | Irrumator | Well, run apt-get upgrade first. |
| 13:17.23 | Coweater | did you just move to testing without upgrading yet? |
| 13:17.46 | roxy_ | ooops: no, I added unstable to source.list. I am getting trouble getting used to debian :-) |
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| 13:18.11 | valdyn | NeverMore_: nothing you can do but quit some programs or buy more ram |
| 13:18.42 | NeverMore_ | valdyn: what is the minimum amount of ram i can run SID with? |
| 13:18.45 | valdyn | roxy_: remove unstable |
| 13:18.53 | valdyn | NeverMore_: 32 or less |
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| 13:18.59 | valdyn | NeverMore_: 32MB or less |
| 13:19.34 | valdyn | NeverMore_: i wonder why that would be relevant to you though |
| 13:19.40 | Irrumator | roxy_: So you just added the unstable sources without upgrading? |
| 13:19.53 | roxy_ | valdyn: I don't mind stuff crashing. Should I still take out unstable? |
| 13:19.58 | roxy_ | Irrumator: yes |
| 13:20.00 | valdyn | roxy_: yes |
| 13:20.13 | NeverMore_ | valdyn: u are right, i can't do much about that..beside running sid with minimum services.. |
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| 13:20.57 | roxy_ | well, I should have known 10 minutes ago :-) Can I go back, like "apt-get the unstable package out of my way" |
| 13:21.11 | valdyn | roxy_: no |
| 13:21.16 | Irrumator | roxy_: Nope, too late |
| 13:21.25 | roxy_ | valdyn: is it security or stability concern ? |
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| 13:24.57 | Coweater | roxy_: what is it? |
| 13:25.09 | DJ-Marcuzz | hello |
| 13:25.56 | roxy_ | Coweater: using unstable in source.list. |
| 13:26.14 | DJ-Marcuzz | is there an way to install kde with xorg on debian ech, becasu then i can have those funky things like dropdown shadows and so, and use superkaramba |
| 13:26.29 | Coweater | probably both, unstable isn't well tested for security issues nor stability |
| 13:27.07 | Coweater | although it does get more recent versions of packages which may address some problems |
| 13:27.41 | roxy_ | well, I try apt-get install amarok. I added unstable to the source.list previously and didn't do a apt-get update (obviously new to debian :-). and now: |
| 13:27.50 | roxy_ | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 13:27.51 | roxy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:27.51 | roxy_ | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 13:32.31 | roxy_ | What would be the +/- of kde-Amarok/gnome-MusicPlayer ? |
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| 13:33.24 | chimaera | hi. i have an issue with my external storage device (via usb or firewire). i can't get it working with kmedia (so that it gets displayed on my desktop for easy mounting). my usb-stick works fine and mounting the external hdd also does the trick, so i guess the system itself is set up properly. |
| 13:33.27 | syntaxis | roxy_: a lot of that will depend on personal preference... go to their respective homepages and check out what they offer for yourself |
| 13:33.30 | xordali | PLEASE HELP, i create RAID5 with 3 SATA HDD -> ReiserFS: md0: warning: sh-2006: read_super_block: bread failed (dev md0, block 2, size 4096) | Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(9,0) |
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| 13:34.11 | chimaera | one thing maybe, dmesg gives me th efollowing when detecting the device: " sdb: unknown partition table" |
| 13:35.18 | kyncani | chimaera: try to mount /dev/sdb as a filesystem maybe ? |
| 13:35.29 | Cynthrax | hi, i've installed a xserver(xfree86), kde and kdm, but when i boot i can't login in kdm |
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| 13:35.57 | kyncani | chimaera: mount -t auto /dev/sdb /somewhere |
| 13:36.13 | chimaera | kyncani: well, doing so manually is working fine.. but as it comes, i see that even cfdisk doesn't show any partitions so i guess the partition table is somewhat screwed up.. |
| 13:36.37 | kyncani | chimaera: it means you don't have a partition table |
| 13:37.01 | chimaera | kyncani: but my data is on the disk an accessable.. |
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| 13:37.37 | kyncani | chimaera: /dev/sdb is a disk with a filesystem and not a disk with partitions with filesystems |
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| 13:37.49 | xordali | who knows, why kernel panic ? => ReiserFS: md0: warning: sh-2006: read_super_block: bread failed (dev md0, block 2, size 4096) | Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(9,0) |
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| 13:38.08 | chimaera | kyncani: i get your drift, but mounting it actually works.. |
| 13:38.10 | Coweater | xordali: what kernel are you using? |
| 13:38.13 | kyncani | chimaera: if you can, backup your /dev/sdb, partition it, and restore data |
| 13:38.18 | webman | hi, anyone knows why transferring files from samba to windows client terribly slow, only about 50 Kb/s ? |
| 13:38.32 | xordali | Coweater, i use 2.6.15.6 kernel |
| 13:38.42 | chimaera | kyncani: ajeeee.. 220gb.. |
| 13:39.18 | kyncani | chimaera: to much you mean |
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| 13:39.44 | kyncani | chimaera: well, i guess you'll have to mount this disk manually then |
| 13:40.07 | chimaera | kyncani: jepp. no way to move that around for repartitioning. no way to "fix" the partition table? |
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| 13:40.59 | kyncani | chimaera: i don't know any tool that could do that in-place .. |
| 13:41.02 | xordali | Covener, i use RAID 5 on 3 SATA HDD, kernel mount normaly RAID1 (/boot), but unable mount RAID5 or initialize RAID5 after ReiserFS check disk! |
| 13:42.07 | chimaera | kyncani: i see. at least i know where the problem is.. maybe i get a bunch of dvd-blanks ;). thanks for your help. |
| 13:42.22 | kyncani | np :) |
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| 13:45.25 | valdyn | chimaera: use fsresize on that filesystem and shrink it as far as you can, then you can create partitions carefully beyond the room that your filesystem takes ( and one partition that you just dont use 'blocking' the space where your filesystem is ) |
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| 13:46.34 | roxy_ | I am using sawfish at the moment. How do I add kde as a desktop manager? |
| 13:46.51 | valdyn | roxy_: apt-get install kde |
| 13:47.11 | roxy_ | valdyn: kde is already in my machine. |
| 13:47.25 | valdyn | roxy_: how are you starting X / logging into your X ? |
| 13:48.00 | roxy_ | valdyn: .xsession just says: exec sawfish |
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| 13:48.17 | valdyn | roxy_: replace that with exec startkde |
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| 13:48.56 | roxy_ | valdyn: thanks, trying it |
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| 13:52.40 | tux | hi |
| 13:52.47 | tux | -rw-r--r-- 1 nobody pyz 26 Feb 19 21:24 pictures.dat |
| 13:52.52 | blondie | ? |
| 13:52.59 | webman | hi, anyone knows why transferring files from samba to windows client terribly slow, only about 50 Kb/s ? |
| 13:53.02 | blondie | hello penguin tux |
| 13:53.08 | tux | I cannot delete this file. how could I do ? |
| 13:53.17 | tux | blondie, hi |
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| 13:53.33 | blondie | tux: become root to delete it |
| 13:54.01 | tux | but I have no root access. this file is generated by a non-root user. |
| 13:54.03 | shay|wifi | 'morning |
| 13:54.16 | blondie | tux: you can't delete it then |
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| 13:54.33 | blondie | only root can |
| 13:54.45 | tux | blondie, but how can a non-root user have such a file, owned by nobody? |
| 13:54.51 | PerfDave | blondie: I believe that if tux has write permissions on the directory the file is in, they should be able to delete it. |
| 13:54.59 | blondie | hmm yes good point |
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| 13:55.08 | blondie | but if he did, he wouldn't be asking :P |
| 13:55.11 | tux | blondie, It's generated by php blog, a simple blog system |
| 13:55.13 | PerfDave | tux: "nobody" is an account on the system, used by applications which want to drop privileges. |
| 13:55.21 | chimaera | valdyn: , kyncani: rebuilt the pertition table using parted. working now ;) |
| 13:55.51 | kyncani | chimaera: didn't loose your previous data ? |
| 13:55.54 | tux | PerfDave, the file is in a dir called .thumb |
| 13:55.57 | tux | drwxr-xr-x 2 nobody pyz 512 Feb 19 21:24 .thumbs |
| 13:56.09 | tux | I cannot delete it either. |
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| 13:56.35 | zinx | tux: the web server likely runs the php script as nobody |
| 13:56.36 | chimaera | kyncani: nope. although it _was_ a stunt. i just deleted the partitions and then rescued them again. that way, a correct table got writtem ^ |
| 13:56.50 | PerfDave | tux: Yes, I could guess that from the permissions. Why do you think you should be able to delete files and folders over which you have no permissions? It's what ownership and permissions are *for*. |
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| 13:57.12 | blondie | tux: basically you can't delete it. |
| 13:57.26 | kyncani | chimaera: well, all righty then .. but i would never have done that without backup |
| 13:57.39 | tux | PerfDave, ok. But the file is generated by a non-root user. He make a file which he cannot delete himself! |
| 13:57.51 | tux | rm: pictures/.thumbs/pictures.dat: Permission denied |
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| 13:58.36 | zOap | I have built a new kernel, but somehow my dvd/cdrw device is only recognised as a cdrom device (kernel 2.6.12-1), but in 2.6.8 it was working fine.. what steps, guide do I use to find my cdrw? |
| 13:58.40 | blondie | tux: the only person who can delete it is root |
| 13:58.42 | chimaera | kyncani: actually, it was more by accident. i guess my heart stopped beating for about 3-5 minutes. don't get root if hung over from the day before.. |
| 13:58.55 | kyncani | ha ha :) |
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| 13:59.52 | tux | blondie, then another question. can someone or some app make a file undeletable by itself? really strange.. |
| 14:00.00 | chimaera | kyncani: we have a saying here: luck is with the stupid people, or: nothing bad happens to babies and drunks. |
| 14:00.02 | blondie | tux: yes |
| 14:00.23 | blondie | tux: you could have a setuid program |
| 14:00.24 | tux | blondie, how? |
| 14:00.49 | EGroen | I run a debian server, but are the users limited to amount of ram/cpu ? |
| 14:00.51 | Storkme | does *nix refer to unix, or unix and linux? |
| 14:01.07 | blondie | Storkme: no |
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| 14:01.09 | kyncani | unixes and linuxes |
| 14:01.09 | Storkme | EGroen, they would be with a vps |
| 14:01.10 | tux | blondie, you mean a setuid app can do that? I do not really know setudi |
| 14:01.14 | tux | setuid |
| 14:01.15 | blondie | Storkme: it refers to unix-like OSes |
| 14:01.16 | Storkme | blacke, no what? |
| 14:01.20 | blondie | including linux |
| 14:01.25 | Storkme | so what's that? solaris, linux, unix? |
| 14:01.26 | blondie | tux: yes I do mean that |
| 14:01.40 | blondie | Storkme: what are you defining "unix" as? |
| 14:01.56 | Storkme | nevermind |
| 14:02.03 | tux | blondie, thank you. I will search what's setuid and if have any problems, i will be here again. :-) thank you. |
| 14:02.04 | kyncani | linuxes, bsds, aix, hp-ux, solaris, ... |
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| 14:02.19 | blondie | tux: it's a program that runs with the permissions of its owner |
| 14:02.26 | blondie | instead of the user running it |
| 14:03.17 | EGroen | Is there a way to give a specified user unlimited cpu and mem usage? |
| 14:03.34 | kyncani | EGroen: yep, don't touch anything |
| 14:03.42 | blondie | no, that's not possible |
| 14:03.48 | blondie | there's finite resources in the world |
| 14:03.48 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 14:03.49 | kyncani | EGroen: it's already that way |
| 14:04.00 | Mazingaro | please, is anyone playing doom 3 on linux? |
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| 14:04.04 | blondie | !anyone |
| 14:04.04 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 14:04.08 | PerfDave | Mazingaro: Not right now |
| 14:04.17 | EGroen | Doesn't look like i can use the whole cpu, its never above 1.0 from the gameserver, even when full |
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| 14:04.36 | Coweater | above 1.0? are we talking load averages? |
| 14:04.44 | EGroen | Y |
| 14:04.49 | kyncani | ... |
| 14:04.50 | Coweater | is a letter |
| 14:04.53 | blondie | does Y mean yes or why? |
| 14:04.59 | EGroen | Yes :p |
| 14:05.12 | blondie | but which? ;p |
| 14:05.13 | PerfDave | Yes it means yes or why? :) |
| 14:05.23 | EGroen | PerfDave su |
| 14:05.28 | Coweater | 1.0 indicates one active process |
| 14:05.30 | Mazingaro | PerfDave: ok, I've installed the binaries, but where I can get the .pak files? |
| 14:05.30 | PerfDave | su is a command to switch user. |
| 14:05.37 | EGroen | -_-' |
| 14:05.46 | blondie | EGroen is having problems with his English :( |
| 14:05.50 | Coweater | if you want cpu usage check top or ps output |
| 14:05.58 | EGroen | Yes from yes form yes :x |
| 14:06.04 | PerfDave | Mazingaro: http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/ is the website for all your iD Software on Linux requirements. |
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| 14:06.12 | blondie | Mazingaro: from the doom 3 CD presumably? |
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| 14:06.20 | EGroen | Coweater, can i give the gameserver the whole server ? |
| 14:06.21 | EGroen | :p |
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| 14:06.32 | Mazingaro | blondie: but they're in .cab format :( |
| 14:06.43 | blondie | EGroen: you're not understanding things. |
| 14:06.46 | Coweater | EGroen: unless you've done something to limit it, it has the whole server |
| 14:06.58 | EGroen | Didn't do anything to limit it |
| 14:06.59 | blondie | use top to see how much CPU it is using |
| 14:07.20 | blondie | under the %CPU column :P |
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| 14:07.29 | EGroen | Know that |
| 14:07.29 | EGroen | ;) |
| 14:07.37 | EGroen | But thats never above 22% |
| 14:07.38 | EGroen | :x |
| 14:07.39 | blondie | "ohnoes my program isn't using 100% EVEN WHEN IT DOESN'T NEED TO" |
| 14:07.47 | blondie | that is the answer |
| 14:08.03 | blondie | maybe it only needs 22%? |
| 14:08.25 | EGroen | When its full, my cpu runs 22, everybody lags, but my connection isn't full |
| 14:08.26 | kyncani | maybe you need to wait for vista ? |
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| 14:08.38 | PerfDave | EGroen: Your "connection"? |
| 14:08.41 | EGroen | Winshit vista? :x |
| 14:08.55 | EGroen | My bandwidth |
| 14:09.00 | PerfDave | EGroen: You need to work out what the limiting factor is on your server - I/O, memory, CPU, bandwidth or something else. Seems like it's not CPU. |
| 14:09.09 | PerfDave | EGroen: If your bandwidth is saturated, you'd expect lag. |
| 14:09.14 | PerfDave | EGroen: Get a faster Internet connection :) |
| 14:09.15 | jepler | Hi. I'm trying to use kernel-wedge (on ubuntu), but 'kernel-wedge gen-control' doesn't seem to generate a proper control file---the subsequent dpkg-buildpackage says there "must be at least one binary package part", and there isn't. |
| 14:09.19 | jepler | Are there some obvious errors I should check for? |
| 14:09.22 | PerfDave | jepler: #ubuntu |
| 14:09.23 | blondie | !ubuntu |
| 14:09.23 | dpkg | i heard ubuntu is not Debian. See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian.. |
| 14:09.28 | EGroen | Its not my connection |
| 14:09.34 | kyncani | EGroen: iftop to check bandwidth usage easily |
| 14:09.34 | EGroen | But nvm -_-' |
| 14:09.43 | PerfDave | iftop++ # shiny |
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| 14:10.22 | jepler | thanks guys, I know debian is not u*u**u, but I know that kernel-wedge is originally debian, and I thought someone here might be helpful. |
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| 14:11.07 | PerfDave | jepler: I don't think kernel-wedge is anythign to do with Debian. Even if it was, it wouldn't be the same as the version in Ubuntu. Ubuntu is not Debian. Ubuntu do things differently to Debian. Ubuntu make big changes to things, particularly kernels, which means that asking on #debian about them is pointless. |
| 14:11.41 | roxy_ | valdyn: I s/exec sawfish/startked/ and it's not working well, it's like kde is lacking a window manager. |
| 14:11.43 | jepler | PerfDave: Based on /usr/share/kernel-wedge/changelog.gz the ubuntu changes would appear to be minor. |
| 14:11.56 | PerfDave | jepler: *shrug* Ubuntu is not supported on #debian, only Debian is. |
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| 14:12.31 | roxy_ | If I click on Home or trash I just get a black screen, I got no toolbar and my old sawfish shorcut are not working(obviously). |
| 14:12.44 | roxy_ | I got nothing else on the screen |
| 14:13.24 | tux | blondie, thank you. |
| 14:13.44 | E0x | deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free ( exist some like that for unstable ? ) |
| 14:14.05 | PerfDave | E0x: No, unstable doesn't have security updates. /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 14:14.07 | roxy_ | and if I left-click, I got "configure desktop" option but nothing is happening |
| 14:14.19 | E0x | PerfDave: thx |
| 14:14.27 | PerfDave | E0x: Note that the "contrib" and "non-free" repositories don't get security updates either, read the Debian Security FAQ. |
| 14:14.30 | kyncani | E0x: although security fixes hit sid very soon |
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| 14:14.54 | kyncani | E0x: got the gnupg security fix this morning i think |
| 14:15.20 | E0x | kyncani: thx |
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| 14:16.41 | str00mff | qqun connait un service de nom de domaine sérieux ? |
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| 14:17.22 | str00mff | sorry i made a mistake with the choice of # :) |
| 14:17.40 | PerfDave | str00mff: pas de problemme ;) |
| 14:17.40 | Z_God | hi |
| 14:17.54 | Z_God | i'm trying to up nis on two debian systems |
| 14:17.55 | str00mff | :) |
| 14:17.59 | Z_God | one is server and one is client |
| 14:18.12 | Z_God | but I have a problems getting the groups to come over properly |
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| 14:18.42 | Z_God | when I create a new group, the nis stuff doesn't seem to pick up the change |
| 14:18.53 | Z_God | any idea what I should check? |
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| 14:19.09 | sussudio | nathanj: care to explain why you tried to DoS me? |
| 14:19.17 | PerfDave | Z_God: Don't you have to run one of the yp* utilities to sync the NIS server with the groups file? |
| 14:19.20 | Mr0bvious | How can I tell what package a file is in? |
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| 14:19.28 | Mr0bvious | (That I wanna install) |
| 14:19.40 | Z_God | could be, the howto doesn't seem to say much about groups |
| 14:19.44 | PerfDave | Mr0bvious: dpkg -S if it's installed, apt-file if it isn't, or http://packages.debian.org/ if you're not on a Debian system. |
| 14:19.52 | PerfDave | Mr0bvious: /msg dpkg search |
| 14:19.56 | Mr0bvious | Thanks perf lol |
| 14:19.56 | PerfDave | Mr0bvious: /msg dpkg find even |
| 14:20.12 | PerfDave | Nope, right first time, search. |
| 14:20.24 | Mr0bvious | I don't have an apt-file |
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| 14:20.35 | PerfDave | !installit |
| 14:20.35 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 14:20.57 | Z_God | cool, I've got it to work :) |
| 14:21.09 | PerfDave | Z_God: The win is you! :) |
| 14:21.22 | Z_God | thx, PerfDave the command was make -C /var/yp btw :) |
| 14:22.12 | Mr0bvious | PerfDave: Hmm can't find which package apt-find is in. |
| 14:22.58 | PerfDave | Mr0bvious: I said "apt-file", not "apt-find" |
| 14:22.59 | andax | how do I make apt-get upgrades automatic? |
| 14:23.03 | Mr0bvious | Oh lol. |
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| 14:23.17 | PerfDave | andax: You probably don't want to do that, but cron-apt is your friend for all your apt automation needs. |
| 14:23.20 | Mr0bvious | upstairs:/etc# apt-file |
| 14:23.20 | Mr0bvious | bash: apt-file: command not found |
| 14:23.34 | PerfDave | !installit |
| 14:23.34 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
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| 14:23.39 | Mr0bvious | But that IS in apt-get repos. |
| 14:23.45 | lamer | eueu |
| 14:23.53 | andax | PerfDave: what is the risk of automating updates? |
| 14:23.53 | PerfDave | Mr0bvious: Yes, that's fairly obvious ;) |
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| 14:24.49 | PerfDave | andax: With stable, not much, unless you've been customising config files. But there's a chance an automated upgrade could, say, break your SSH access to the machine. Slim chance, but it's there. Personally, I have cron-apt automatically remind me when there are updates I haven't installed yet :) |
| 14:25.40 | andax | i'm using etch as a desktop, so generally you recommend not to make upgrades automatic? |
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| 14:26.36 | PerfDave | andax: Personally, I wouldn't. Making upgrades automatic is very convenient. |
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| 14:26.44 | Kronoz | I can't install debian from weekly build cd becuase it gets up to configuring apt -> scanning security updates and then says it could not acess the security updates, freezing if I try to continue, I've tried a few different mirrors each with the same result, I'm behind a router but it is working fine so I son't think that it the problem |
| 14:27.14 | kyncani | I like automatic updates too (desktop) |
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| 14:27.45 | PerfDave | andax: Sorry, I mean making *updates* automatic is very convenient, and avoids most of the risks of automating *upgrades* |
| 14:28.00 | kyncani | Kronoz: well, get a stable install cd ?? |
| 14:28.11 | PerfDave | Kronoz: Weekly build CDs are frequently broken. Try using a stable CD and dist-upgrading? |
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| 14:28.36 | andax | is there an app (preferably for gnome) that will sometimes check the repos for upgrades and notice me about them? |
| 14:28.47 | Kronoz | PerfDave: but i've installed fine off same cd before |
| 14:28.53 | andax | (i saw this in ubuntu but haven't looked into it) |
| 14:28.54 | PerfDave | Kronoz: Report bugs for the Debian installer, of course :) |
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| 14:29.03 | Kronoz | hmm ok, i'll try the stable |
| 14:29.25 | PerfDave | andax: No idea, I keep my system administration away from GUIs. |
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| 14:31.00 | wizzomafizzo | I'd like to update to etch, but every time I try it gives me errors about perl locales. How do I fix them? |
| 14:31.10 | PerfDave | wizzomafizzo: Errors, or warnings? |
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| 14:31.31 | wizzomafizzo | PerfDave: Warnings, I guess. |
| 14:31.36 | PerfDave | wizzomafizzo: /msg dpkg locales |
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| 14:31.54 | andax | wizzomafizzo: just go on with the upgrade, after the upgrade it will be OK. |
| 14:31.55 | PerfDave | wizzomafizzo: You need to either generate the locale you're trying to use, or change the locale you're trying to use to one you have generated. |
| 14:32.19 | wizzomafizzo | Ok, thanks. |
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| 14:32.53 | napoleao | how can I completly remove a kernel from my system? (it was installed using the linux-image-686) |
| 14:32.59 | andax | wizzomafizzo: don't do anything just finish the upgrade and ignore the warnings. after the upgrade if the problem is still present do a "dpkg-reconfigure locales" |
| 14:33.10 | PerfDave | napoleao: You installed it with apt-get? Then remove it with apt-get. |
| 14:33.22 | PerfDave | napoleao: See the "--purge" option to apt-get, in the manpage. |
| 14:33.46 | napoleao | ok thanks |
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| 14:35.33 | wizzomafizzo | How can I set my mirrors again? |
| 14:35.42 | PerfDave | wizzomafizzo: apt-setup |
| 14:35.53 | wizzomafizzo | Thanks again. |
| 14:36.34 | wizzomafizzo | Ok well, one last thing, how can I cleanly uninstall gnome? |
| 14:37.05 | PerfDave | wizzomafizzo: /msg dpkg remove gnome |
| 14:37.17 | wizzomafizzo | Thanks. |
| 14:37.58 | dvs | PerfDave: know-it-all! ;-) |
| 14:38.35 | PerfDave | dvs: I'm on a roll |
| 14:38.53 | wizzomafizzo | Apparently It's my lucky day. |
| 14:38.58 | PerfDave | Though I'm about to go crawling up in the loft, and won't be taking the laptop with me :) |
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| 14:39.48 | Varanger | hello |
| 14:39.48 | kps | previously when i did "apt-get update && apt-get -u dist-upgrade" the packages would get downloaded and then a list of bugs would be displayed ... then apt asked whether i wanted to install, now it just proceeds to install without asking, any ideas ? |
| 14:40.10 | PerfDave | kps: Maybe there aren't any serious bugs in the packages you're installing? |
| 14:40.20 | kps | i have some reportbug and apt-listchanges isntalled |
| 14:40.22 | kps | well there is |
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| 14:40.33 | PerfDave | kps: Neither of those will list bugs on install. |
| 14:40.36 | PerfDave | kps: apt-listbugs will. |
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| 14:41.08 | kps | i have that also, i suppose that was what used to show the bugs |
| 14:41.15 | Varanger | I have a Knoppix LiveCD... and I have create 2 ext3 and swap partitions... how can I install Debian in this computer?? |
| 14:41.19 | kps | anyway the strange thing is that this stopped working for some reason |
| 14:41.23 | Andy298 | how can i make a archive of all files in /home/www/ daily at 11pm etc. |
| 14:41.34 | kps | i know there is bugs because i have not installed many of the buggy packages |
| 14:41.35 | PerfDave | Varanger: with cron |
| 14:41.41 | kps | and there used to be a very long list of bugs |
| 14:41.41 | PerfDave | !d-i Varanger |
| 14:41.41 | dpkg | Varanger, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 14:41.47 | kps | but now it went away for some reason |
| 14:41.47 | roue | hola |
| 14:41.54 | kps | even though i didn't isntall the packages |
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| 14:42.04 | PerfDave | kps: Did you upgrade apt-listbugs and overwrite the configuration somehow? |
| 14:42.23 | PerfDave | Whoops, 126Mb of updates, I haven't set up cron-apt on this box ;/ |
| 14:42.45 | kps | PerfDave, i didn't change any config explicitly |
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| 14:42.53 | appolito | hi, is there in debian any utility to add scripts to runlevels? |
| 14:42.58 | PerfDave | appolito: update-rc.d |
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| 14:43.03 | kps | i might have upgraded apt-listbugs, i'm not certain about that |
| 14:43.05 | Varanger | PerfDave: I don't want to install a CD, I just want to dowload the files I need... |
| 14:43.17 | PerfDave | Varanger: To install Debian, you need to use the Debian installer. |
| 14:43.20 | appolito | PerfDave: wow thanx |
| 14:43.24 | wizzomafizzo | Is Debian going to go with Modular X.org in Etch or will it stick with X.org? |
| 14:43.24 | PerfDave | appolito: Though in Debian, you rarely need to meddle with runlevels. What are you trying to do? |
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| 14:44.07 | PerfDave | wizzomafizzo: "Modular X.org" is not a seperate thing from "X.org". As X.org development continues, it becomes more modular. More recent versions of X.org are filtering into Etch as we speak, and so it is becoming more modular with time. |
| 14:44.11 | Varanger | PerfDave: Isn't any command that if I do write s'thg like: "$ install debian /sdaX" ?? |
| 14:44.22 | appolito | PerfDave: i have installed alsa, but it wont start that init script. |
| 14:44.42 | syntaxis | Varanger: http://www.debian.org/releases/3.1/i386/apcs04.html.en |
| 14:44.44 | PerfDave | appolito: How did you install ALSA? |
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| 14:44.53 | PerfDave | Varanger: There's debootstrap and cdebootstrap, I don't know whether Knoppix has good versions of those however. |
| 14:45.03 | appolito | PerfDave: apt-get install alsa |
| 14:45.06 | Varanger | Let me see |
| 14:45.10 | E0x | somebody point me to a howto for make when i mount a disk in /media/folder , they appeart in the Desktop ( gnome ) ( ala ubuntu ) |
| 14:45.50 | PerfDave | E0x: I think you want gnome-volume-manager, but I don't use Gnome so can't be any more help than that. |
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| 14:46.08 | appolito | PerfDave: on debian etch, kernel 2.6.15 |
| 14:46.12 | E0x | PerfDave: i have already gnome-volume-manager |
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| 14:46.47 | PerfDave | appolito: Hmm, sorry, I don't know what the "alsa" package provides, it's not in Sarge. However, if it needs an initscript, that should be provided. |
| 14:47.09 | PerfDave | E0x: Well, I'm afraid that I can't be any more help than that. |
| 14:47.24 | dorto | i have been using debian for past few months. i have downloaded and installed many packages in it. my friend also wants to install soome of those packages. how can i give my downloaded packages to him? what do i need to copy from my debian to his debian? |
| 14:47.30 | E0x | PerfDave: no problem , let me google more |
| 14:47.46 | PerfDave | dorto: apt-move is probably what you want. |
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| 14:48.08 | Varanger | PerfDave: That's why I needed thanks! |
| 14:48.30 | dorto | PerfDave: can't i just move the .deb files present in some /var/lib/cache/archive to the same path in his debian? |
| 14:48.34 | PerfDave | Varanger: Like I say, I don't know whether Knoppix has good versions of those utilities which will give you a true Debian install, I'd still recommend using the Debian installer. |
| 14:48.41 | dorto | won't apt-get install take it from there? |
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| 14:48.45 | PerfDave | dorto: Only if you know what you're doing. |
| 14:49.15 | tchino | my xserver not starts, but on /var/log/Xorg.0.log only the message: FreeFontPath : FPE "unix/:7100" refcount is 2, should be 1, fixing |
| 14:49.19 | tchino | what is wrong |
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| 14:49.52 | PerfDave | tchino: Have you checked the BTS? |
| 14:49.54 | tchino | after upgrade the system my xserver not start |
| 14:50.08 | tchino | PerfDave: what is BTS |
| 14:50.14 | asg | !bts |
| 14:50.14 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
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| 14:51.21 | tchino | PerfDave: do you have any problems with xserver under debian testing |
| 14:51.30 | PerfDave | tchino: No, because I don't use testing :) |
| 14:51.45 | tchino | PerfDave: what do you use? |
| 14:51.48 | PerfDave | tchino: Stable |
| 14:51.48 | vin` | tchino: that is the only message in /var/log/Xorg.0.log? |
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| 14:52.07 | loggygreg | tchino: and what is the output of 'grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log' |
| 14:52.17 | tchino | vin`: yes, before i have only warnings |
| 14:52.49 | vin` | tchino: anything interesting at the bottom? |
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| 14:53.35 | Azoff | hi |
| 14:53.41 | vin` | appolito: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
| 14:53.47 | Azoff | have anyone worked with cacti and lm_sensors on debian? |
| 14:53.55 | tchino | loggygreg: that filters only the description line with EE |
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| 14:54.07 | tchino | loggygreg: i have no error there |
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| 14:54.31 | loggygreg | tchino: ok |
| 14:54.32 | vin` | tchino: any errors about fixed font towards the end of the log? |
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| 14:56.13 | tchino | vin`: xbkcomp has a warning, but there stands, it is not fatal for xserver |
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| 14:59.00 | tchino | what i wonder about, the login window of kde is right, when i logged in, it comes a black screen for 10 seconds, and it comes the login window again |
| 14:59.46 | tchino | how can i test a small window-manager |
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| 15:00.53 | gentgeen__ | tchino, aptitude install $SMALLWM |
| 15:00.56 | vin` | tchino: twm, you probably already have it. |
| 15:00.59 | gentgeen__ | just pick one and try it |
| 15:01.35 | PerfDave | tchino: Have you got free disk space for /home ? |
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| 15:02.22 | dorto | does anyone know a simple way to install c++ boost library in debian? |
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| 15:02.29 | ludwig__ | hallo! |
| 15:02.29 | tchino | vin`: oh twm starts, i think my kde has the problem |
| 15:02.32 | dorto | apt-get install boost <--sth like that? |
| 15:02.53 | tchino | PerfDave: i have only 7% fre on my root |
| 15:02.56 | abrotman | dorto: apt-cache search boost ? .. is there a libboost? |
| 15:03.00 | ludwig__ | what does that X-Spam entry mean: "NO_DNS_FOR_FROM=3.2" |
| 15:03.30 | tchino | PerfDave: i have 5gb partition for my debian |
| 15:03.40 | dorto | abrotman: there are a lot of libboost packages...filesystem, thread, regex etc |
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| 15:03.50 | dorto | aren't all they bundled into one package? |
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| 15:04.11 | abrotman | dorto: there maybe just libboost which may get them all .. otherwise .. install the ones you need |
| 15:04.15 | abrotman | or use a whildcard |
| 15:04.21 | tchino | PerfDave: what packages i need for a starting kde, i think, that it installed no ready |
| 15:04.34 | dorto | abrotman: can we use wildcard while installing also? |
| 15:04.41 | abrotman | i believe so |
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| 15:05.00 | abrotman | dorto: if not .. it can be easily duplicated |
| 15:05.08 | valdyn | dorto: i think apt-get install libboost-dev will get it all |
| 15:05.38 | abrotman | wtf is libboost? |
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| 15:05.58 | abrotman | valdyn: they seem to each have thier own sub -dev pacakge too :) |
| 15:06.00 | dorto | valdyn: k, i will try. i thought its for boost development |
| 15:06.04 | valdyn | abrotman: c++ template library |
| 15:06.34 | abrotman | dorto: if you really want them all .. i'm sure someone here can do some awk/grep magic to help you get them all |
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| 15:07.15 | Jefo | hi |
| 15:07.27 | dorto | abrotman: i always have to type a loooong command to install them all, making typos several times :P |
| 15:07.31 | Jefo | does anyone know a linux-program to learn languages (english), esp grammar? |
| 15:07.34 | abrotman | dorto: you don't have to |
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| 15:08.26 | valdyn | dorto: apt-cache search libboost | awk '{ print $1 }' | xargs sudo apt-get install |
| 15:08.28 | tziku | hello, i have an DHCP server who give local ip adress, naw i want a program to give internet by local adress and limit speed. help ? |
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| 15:08.49 | abrotman | valdyn: on my box .. that gets the -dbg also |
| 15:09.11 | dorto | valdyn: thx!! i have noted that down, and will share with my friends too :) |
| 15:09.13 | valdyn | abrotman: yea sure, but that doesnt hurt.. |
| 15:09.24 | abrotman | bloated binaries! |
| 15:09.35 | E0x | something like gnome-volume-manager for kde , exist ? |
| 15:09.39 | valdyn | abrotman: they're additional files |
| 15:09.45 | abrotman | E0x: ask #debian-kde |
| 15:10.08 | E0x | abrotman: thx |
| 15:10.10 | abrotman | valdyn: i've not used the -dbg .. i thought they were a replacement for the standard with dbg symbols in |
| 15:10.30 | dorto | i get this error: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/universe Packages |
| 15:10.32 | valdyn | abrotman: nah, just additional files in for the debug folder |
| 15:10.38 | abrotman | dorto: ask #ubuntu |
| 15:10.40 | valdyn | abrotman: nah, just additional files in for the debug directory |
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| 15:10.55 | abrotman | valdyn: did you say .. 'folder' ?!? |
| 15:10.56 | dorto | oh yeah...sorry |
| 15:11.34 | fiveiron | hrmrmr |
| 15:11.40 | fiveiron | can't i just apt-get xorg somehow? |
| 15:11.46 | fiveiron | i'm new to debian, but not *nix |
| 15:11.49 | abrotman | are you on sarge? |
| 15:12.14 | fiveiron | i actually dont think i have any X server installed... i did a net install but i think i might have screwed something up |
| 15:12.15 | valdyn | abrotman: drawer -> directory - > folder -> directory gets confusing |
| 15:12.22 | abrotman | hehe |
| 15:12.30 | fiveiron | thot about just reinstalling |
| 15:12.30 | abrotman | fiveiron: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 15:12.30 | fiveiron | :P |
| 15:12.48 | fiveiron | 2.3.2.ds1-22 |
| 15:13.20 | abrotman | fiveiron: so you have sarge |
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| 15:13.26 | fiveiron | aight |
| 15:13.35 | goodell | hey there. why does the latest debian 2.6.15 linux-image mysteriously not contain a number of important drivers in /lib/modules/2.6.15-*/kernel/sound/oss/ ? |
| 15:13.38 | fiveiron | i dont have a startx tho... and i watched gnome and kde get installed |
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| 15:13.59 | valdyn | fiveiron: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 15:14.01 | fiveiron | i need to install the latest nvidia drivers first I know |
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| 15:14.15 | valdyn | fiveiron: neither gnome nor kde really need that, so you got to install it |
| 15:14.22 | fiveiron | yeah i know |
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| 15:14.26 | fiveiron | but i'm wanting to run xgl |
| 15:14.35 | valdyn | so? |
| 15:15.05 | valdyn | why would one need the latest nvidia drivers for xgl? |
| 15:15.07 | fiveiron | oh i see what you're saying |
| 15:15.33 | goodell | abrotman: hm? |
| 15:15.38 | fiveiron | valdyn: well wouldn't it just make sense that the latest drivers from nvidia would run better than the nv driver that comes standard with X? |
| 15:15.48 | abrotman | goodell: OSS deprecated maybe? |
| 15:16.05 | valdyn | fiveiron: nv = not at all, nvidia = runs, doesnt need the latest though |
| 15:16.25 | fiveiron | o... so the "nvidia" driver comes with X? |
| 15:16.33 | valdyn | fiveiron: no |
| 15:16.37 | fiveiron | ... |
| 15:16.38 | goodell | abrotman: that is what I suspect, but why? |
| 15:16.40 | fiveiron | nm |
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| 15:16.45 | goodell | abrotman: I guess I cannot use sound anymore. |
| 15:16.57 | goodell | abrotman: (deprecated in favor of *what*?) |
| 15:17.01 | abrotman | goodell: use alsa ? |
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| 15:17.11 | goodell | abrotman: how? is there documentation? |
| 15:17.13 | abrotman | goodell: what is the sound card? |
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| 15:17.19 | abrotman | !alsa one-liner |
| 15:17.19 | dpkg | [alsa one-liner] apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf, or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels |
| 15:17.33 | goodell | abrotman: it is a soundblaster PCI card, I have been using the es1371 driver |
| 15:17.45 | abrotman | afaik .. works fine with alsa |
| 15:17.54 | valdyn | umm, i didnt think oss was removed already |
| 15:18.04 | fiveiron | my wife said I can switch her over to linux.... :-) tee hee |
| 15:18.08 | abrotman | valdyn: maybe the wise people at -kernel did it prematurely .. |
| 15:18.22 | goodell | valdyn: there is still an oss directory, but it has about half of the contents. |
| 15:18.27 | cahoot | goodell: sb.ko doesn't work for that card? |
| 15:18.27 | abrotman | fiveiron: what cpu does she have? |
| 15:18.38 | valdyn | cahoot: no |
| 15:18.39 | abrotman | cahoot: it's implying it's been removed |
| 15:18.42 | goodell | cahoot: right |
| 15:18.43 | fiveiron | cpu? |
| 15:18.52 | fiveiron | uh... ~1ghz p3 i believe |
| 15:19.13 | abrotman | fiveiron: just wanted to make sure your wife could run linux .. all my gfs were mushy .. no cpu |
| 15:19.25 | goodell | alsa says: "Following card(s) are found on your system: ens1371 Ensoniq 5880 AudioPCI (rev 02)" |
| 15:19.30 | PerfDave | My grilf asked me to install Debian on her desktop :) |
| 15:19.42 | abrotman | goodell: that's a good sign |
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| 15:19.53 | cahoot | goodell: in the kerel src es1371.c still exists |
| 15:20.11 | goodell | cahoot: oh, interesting |
| 15:20.29 | goodell | cahoot: so in theory I could still build a module |
| 15:20.30 | cahoot | goodell: i e 2.6.15.1 |
| 15:20.33 | abrotman | cahoot: which kernel .. vanilla or debian sources ? |
| 15:20.41 | cahoot | goodell: i e 2.6.15.1 vanilla |
| 15:20.47 | goodell | abrotman: I am just using the debian linux-image |
| 15:20.48 | abrotman | goodell: honestly .. they're going to kill OSS . might as well switch today :) |
| 15:20.57 | goodell | I hate building kernels. Too difficult to maintain over lots of machines. |
| 15:21.05 | aleph0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:21.12 | abrotman | goodell: i know .. but is the es1371 cahoot is looking at in the vanilla or the debian source |
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| 15:21.31 | valdyn | alsa is just far superior too |
| 15:21.38 | goodell | abrotman: the "alsa one-liner" did exactly what I needed. :) |
| 15:21.48 | abrotman | goodell: now you can hear beeps! |
| 15:21.49 | goodell | it works now. ;) Thanks !! |
| 15:22.01 | goodell | valdyn: OK, so why is OSS going away? |
| 15:22.18 | abrotman | it sucks .. alsa is a pain to configure .. but i suppose it's better |
| 15:22.33 | valdyn | goodell: is is not really maintained by its developers because they are trying to market a commercial fork |
| 15:22.36 | abrotman | for people doing actual audio work .. OSS just doesn't cut it |
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| 15:22.48 | goodell | abrotman: alsa is a pain to configure? 'alsaconf' seemed pretty straightforward. I don't think I hit anything but "enter" |
| 15:22.51 | cheapservers | Hi i got a big problem |
| 15:22.57 | valdyn | goodell: in contrast alsa is actively developed by suse mainly for the linux kernel |
| 15:23.01 | tziku | any program like HTP tools but for debian ? |
| 15:23.02 | cheapservers | <_parte> checking for library containing res_mkquery... no |
| 15:23.03 | cheapservers | <_parte> configure: error: Unable to find library containing res_mkquery() |
| 15:23.05 | cheapservers | what i can do? |
| 15:23.08 | tziku | HTB* |
| 15:23.09 | PerfDave | ALSA and aRts make a good combination. |
| 15:23.18 | abrotman | goodell: that's the basics .. which gets you basic stuff .. the advanced stuff is a pain .. but still better than OSS in that OSS didn't have the capabilities to do all of what alsa can |
| 15:23.45 | goodell | abrotman: like what sorts of things? |
| 15:24.02 | aleph0 | cheapservers: context? |
| 15:24.04 | abrotman | not all drivers in OSS could do duplex |
| 15:24.05 | valdyn | goodell: alsa is easy to configure, but documentation used to be hard to find |
| 15:24.19 | goodell | ah |
| 15:24.32 | valdyn | goodell: secondly alsa is notoriously silent about debugging info by default |
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| 15:24.39 | goodell | Perhaps SuSE should devote some resources to documentation. |
| 15:24.42 | PerfDave | I'm hoping that ALSA will be sufficiently mature that I can drop a software mixer by the time Etch releases. |
| 15:25.02 | valdyn | goodell: situation isnt as it used to be, google knows plenty alsa docs now |
| 15:25.12 | cbr | PerfDave: whats wrong with alsa? |
| 15:25.16 | valdyn | PerfDave: you dont use dmix? |
| 15:25.42 | PerfDave | cbr: It doesn't do software mixing. |
| 15:25.54 | valdyn | it _does_ software mixing |
| 15:26.03 | PerfDave | It *claims* to do hardware mixing ;) |
| 15:26.17 | djp | is it possible to install a package and purge another in one command? i.e., i tried aptitude install foo purge foobar, however it reported that no package existed with the name purge. can anyone help? |
| 15:26.17 | valdyn | does both on cards where it supports hardware mixing |
| 15:26.18 | PerfDave | Sorry, it *claims* to do software mixing ;) |
| 15:26.32 | PerfDave | But the only mixing I've ever got out of ALSA was hardware mixing on an SB Live |
| 15:26.33 | valdyn | PerfDave: works perfectly fine for me... |
| 15:26.35 | abrotman | djp: yeah .. i think you can use a - |
| 15:26.37 | cbr | PerfDave: there are articles claiming that dmix is TEH pwn |
| 15:26.40 | PerfDave | valdyn: Bully for you :) |
| 15:26.46 | abrotman | djp: man apt-get |
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| 15:27.49 | PerfDave | cbr: Yeah, I'm sure it'd be great if it worked ;) |
| 15:28.00 | djp | abrotman, ok thanks |
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| 15:28.10 | valdyn | !dmix |
| 15:28.10 | dpkg | well, dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 15:28.16 | abrotman | djp: i didn't see it in the man page .. but i've seen it referenced elsewhere |
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| 15:30.39 | Cynthrax | which mouse port should i choose for a usb mouse? is it /dev/input/mice? |
| 15:30.45 | abrotman | yes |
| 15:30.47 | abrotman | !usbmouse |
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| 15:30.47 | dpkg | i guess usbmouse is [1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. [2] cd /dev && MAKEDEV usb && MAKEDEV input [3] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug (or if that fails, modprobe {usb}hid and mousedev by hand); [5] use device /dev/input/mice, protocol exps2 for gpm, protocol ExplorerPS/2 for X. On a modern system only [5] is necessary. |
| 15:31.00 | aleph0 | !seen DrChandra |
| 15:31.00 | dpkg | drchandra <DrC@83.72.30.41.ip.tele2adsl.dk> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 432d 10h 27m 56s ago, saying: '#AI if ads are allowed'. |
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| 15:31.34 | Cynthrax | thx abrotman |
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| 15:35.46 | nix4me | anyone know what this error means? I can't use root account anymore |
| 15:35.47 | tziku | i have a server and all who connect on my server have free bandwitch and i want to limit differit by. IP ...can somebody tell me what to use ? |
| 15:35.49 | nix4me | configuration error - unknown item 'FAIL_DELAY' (notify administrator) |
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| 15:36.04 | nix4me | Failed to run /usr/sbin/synaptic as user root: |
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| 15:43.33 | abrotman | !moo |
| 15:43.34 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 15:44.01 | abrotman | tziku: throttling . |
| 15:44.22 | tziku | thanks. |
| 15:44.40 | tziku | ha... |
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| 15:45.55 | abrotman | blondie: you cow! |
| 15:46.15 | blondie | :| |
| 15:46.20 | blondie | yes? |
| 15:46.21 | blondie | :P |
| 15:46.50 | blondie | I don't know whether I can be bothered to install debian on my mini-ITX box or not :( |
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| 15:47.13 | abrotman | do eet! .. let me know how it goes .. i still have to order mine |
| 15:47.32 | zOap | If I edit a .bashprofile in $HOME/ and want that to file in all my users HOME folder, what is the best way to copy it to all users folder? |
| 15:47.52 | goodell | blondie: what would you install instead? |
| 15:48.03 | blondie | nothing |
| 15:48.12 | abrotman | boring computer with no OS |
| 15:48.15 | blondie | it's a matter fo laziness |
| 15:48.18 | blondie | *of |
| 15:48.25 | goodell | wouldn't the computer be useless then? |
| 15:48.39 | goodell | I mean, in general it is a bad investment. It loses value quite rapidly |
| 15:49.36 | blondie | irrelevent! :P |
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| 15:50.48 | blondie | well I've gotten a bit further... I just picked it up and put it on my desk! |
| 15:51.02 | blondie | go me |
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| 15:54.15 | mage | hello |
| 15:54.31 | mage | I wondered when will python 2.4 will come the default python version in Debian ? |
| 15:55.19 | PerfDave | Is it in Etch? |
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| 15:55.39 | abrotman | mine is apparently 2.3.5 |
| 15:55.55 | abrotman | in etch |
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| 15:57.06 | hjubal | hi |
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| 16:01.28 | prodenter | An app can't connect to local host, what could be the problem? |
| 16:01.35 | prodenter | (app is gtklp) |
| 16:01.44 | blondie | lo is disabled? |
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| 16:01.50 | prodenter | My target is to print a pdf file. It used to work |
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| 16:01.54 | shay|wifi | try to ping 127.0.0.1 |
| 16:02.14 | prodenter | ping works |
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| 16:02.32 | prodenter | (ping 127.0.0.1) |
| 16:02.54 | prodenter | maybe a problem with cups ... got no idea about cups ... |
| 16:03.24 | abrotman | maybve it's not listening on localhost ? |
| 16:03.57 | prodenter | the app? |
| 16:04.06 | prodenter | Where can I get this info? |
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| 16:04.59 | cahoot | prodenter: http://www.linuxprinting.org/till/printing-tutorial/tut.html |
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| 16:05.10 | prodenter | thx cahoot |
| 16:06.54 | prodenter | lpinfo: Unable to connect to server: Connection refused |
| 16:07.02 | prodenter | but the printer is listed |
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| 16:08.57 | prodenter | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:09.29 | initzero_ | use windows its better |
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| 16:09.43 | prodenter | http://localhost:631/ can't be reached |
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| 16:09.55 | shay|wifi | prodenter, I guess that cupsd is odwn then |
| 16:10.09 | initzero_ | ftp://127.0.0.1:1337 also not |
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| 16:10.24 | shay|wifi | try starting it from init.d, if you still can't, check the logs |
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| 16:10.48 | shay|wifi | initzero_, could you please stop trolling? |
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| 16:11.18 | prodenter | what does odwn mean? |
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| 16:11.39 | initzero_ | why is /VERSION #debian not possible ??!! |
| 16:11.49 | prodenter | ftp://127.0.0.1:1337 not reachable |
| 16:12.20 | prodenter | shay|wifi, can you tell me the command to start from init.d? |
| 16:12.21 | tziku | because the ftp is not on you... 127.0.0.1 is redirect to tou. |
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| 16:12.43 | Blackhold | hi |
| 16:12.43 | prodenter | tziku how can i fix that? |
| 16:12.47 | initzero_ | cat /proc/version |
| 16:12.49 | initzero_ | uname -a |
| 16:12.51 | Blackhold | I'm trying to install a debian etch |
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| 16:13.11 | q-|-p | hi |
| 16:13.15 | Blackhold | from a netinstall CD that I have since november |
| 16:13.16 | abrotman | initzero_: please stop trolling and go away |
| 16:13.20 | micle | fuck u all |
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| 16:13.26 | initzero_ | lol ack |
| 16:13.38 | Blackhold | and I cannot install it |
| 16:13.45 | abrotman | why not? |
| 16:13.46 | zOap | prolly a RH user:) |
| 16:13.49 | initzero_ | lol |
| 16:13.52 | initzero_ | try susi |
| 16:13.55 | abrotman | Blackhold: oh .. stuff changed .. use a daily |
| 16:13.57 | zOap | ack |
| 16:13.58 | abrotman | initzero_: SHUT UP |
| 16:14.13 | Blackhold | I'd read in debian's site that there's a beta2 from etch |
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| 16:14.20 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 16:14.20 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. |
| 16:14.23 | initzero_ | abrotman: <3 <3 <3 |
| 16:14.29 | Blackhold | but the images from the site are beta 1 |
| 16:14.30 | abrotman | please die |
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| 16:14.33 | shay|wifi | !ops initzero_ is trolling |
| 16:14.33 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: initzero_ is trolling |
| 16:14.35 | Brian_L | heh |
| 16:14.35 | abrotman | blacke: hold on |
| 16:14.39 | abrotman | Blackhold: hold on |
| 16:14.40 | Blackhold | is possible to get a beta 2 net install image? |
| 16:14.46 | Blackhold | what? |
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| 16:15.01 | asg | abrotman: he's stabbing you with a pomegranate |
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| 16:15.21 | paq | does anyone here know why firefox on linux is so much slower than on windows/mac? |
| 16:15.23 | abrotman | asg: i'd stab back if they actually hurt :) |
| 16:15.28 | initzero_ | i have good liuks kernal |
| 16:15.42 | azeem | initzero_: watch your trollness |
| 16:15.46 | useruser | paq: gtk is a major bottleneck |
| 16:15.47 | asg | abrotman: they do if you can accelerate them high enough |
| 16:15.55 | abrotman | Blackhold: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/etch_d-i/beta2/ |
| 16:15.58 | initzero_ | irssi is m fav irc client |
| 16:15.59 | Blackhold | has the netinstall etch images changed this month? |
| 16:16.09 | Blackhold | abrotman, thnks |
| 16:16.09 | abrotman | Blackhold: the older images won't work |
| 16:16.26 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 16:16.35 | initzero_ | no my runlvl is 5 |
| 16:16.35 | zOap | init0, lollers:) |
| 16:16.43 | boaz | Hello. I |
| 16:16.46 | paq | useruser, can i build firefox without gtk? :P |
| 16:16.48 | initzero_ | hello you |
| 16:16.52 | useruser | paq: heh, no |
| 16:17.02 | useruser | paq: epiphany is a bit better i think, but not a lot |
| 16:17.05 | initzero_ | you can with qt |
| 16:17.09 | initzero_ | or shit like that |
| 16:17.09 | Blackhold | abrotman, I'm going to download it and try it, thnks :D |
| 16:17.18 | abrotman | Blackhold: i'd use a daily .. but up to you |
| 16:17.24 | zOap | paq, ff1.5 needs no building, just put it in your $PATH; and you're ready to go |
| 16:17.29 | useruser | paq: because although it still uses gtk, it uses it directly without the xul layer in between |
| 16:17.34 | azeem | initzero_: are you sure you can build firefox with qt? |
| 16:17.39 | paq | useruser, it hurts to see that the win32 firefox under wine is 2x faster than the native linux firefox in the window next to it... |
| 16:17.49 | useruser | paq: i know |
| 16:17.51 | asg | abrotman: maybe 'init 0_' is the secret level where you get to play 'Leisure Suit Larry' |
| 16:17.55 | abrotman | come on .. he's freaking trolling .. you banned him yesterday too |
| 16:17.57 | Blackhold | if it don't works I'll install a old sarge that I've here |
| 16:17.59 | initzero_ | azeem: its not recommended or supportet but possible |
| 16:18.09 | useruser | paq: on the plus side, you get fuzzy fonts in the UI of the native version :/ |
| 16:18.23 | paq | useruser, hehe |
| 16:19.02 | useruser | paq: maybe you could bitch about it in #developers on irc.mozilla.org |
| 16:19.02 | Blackhold | uh... 2.4 kernel... x( |
| 16:19.09 | azeem | initzero_: if it is not recommended, than do not suggest it here |
| 16:19.11 | boaz | I'm using sarge, and having problem using aptitude. It wants to download 1GB, because of dependencies, and I don't think it is necessery. How can I make it forget all current requests? |
| 16:19.13 | abrotman | Blackhold: use linux26 |
| 16:19.17 | useruser | paq: never know, maybe it's not just gtk (i'm only guessing here) |
| 16:19.30 | azeem | initzero_: this is a support channel, and not for random (non-)fact slining |
| 16:19.32 | Blackhold | what is linux26? |
| 16:19.35 | azeem | slinging, whatever |
| 16:19.35 | Blackhold | an other distro? |
| 16:19.54 | abrotman | Blackhold: for the sarge installer |
| 16:19.56 | paq | useruser, thanks for the hint, i'll go there right now.. it really bugs me.. maybe its really gtk; konq and opera are lightning fast.. maybe i can convince them to offer a qt build ;) |
| 16:19.58 | zOap | Blackhold, linux26 is debian with the 2.6.8kernel |
| 16:20.19 | initzero_ | :) i just said its possible to use qt instead of gtk whick is true. |
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| 16:20.30 | azeem | initzero_: but irrelevant in here |
| 16:20.34 | muKa | tem algum brasileiro aq? |
| 16:20.37 | azeem | !br |
| 16:20.37 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 16:20.42 | useruser | initzero_: do you have a link? |
| 16:20.51 | initzero_ | moment.. |
| 16:20.51 | muKa | vlw |
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| 16:20.57 | abrotman | i really doubt gtk vs qt has anything to do with the speed of Firefox |
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| 16:21.04 | Blackhold | abrotman, I'll try to install the etch and then if not, I'll try to install these other debian |
| 16:21.11 | abrotman | ok |
| 16:21.14 | Blackhold | this* |
| 16:21.22 | useruser | abrotman: you gotta wonder though, when it runs in wine faster than in gtk |
| 16:21.39 | abrotman | useruser: there are tons of other possibilities |
| 16:21.44 | Blackhold | I've a little bit slow connection and I have to wait half hour to get into my computer the netinstall image |
| 16:21.46 | devazion | useruser: Your GTK theme must be very bad written... =/ |
| 16:21.56 | abrotman | besides the number of plugins .. there is library calls, etc |
| 16:22.13 | boaz | solved.. tghanks |
| 16:22.17 | initzero_ | http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Configuring_Build_Options#Graphics_Toolkit |
| 16:22.22 | mentor | hmmm |
| 16:22.40 | useruser | abrotman: true |
| 16:22.51 | useruser | devazion: bah |
| 16:22.52 | abrotman | so i think initzero_ is merely being a tard .. go figure |
| 16:23.05 | paq | hmmm |
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| 16:23.17 | paq | i wonder if firefox is faster if i actually build it against qt or even xlib |
| 16:23.30 | abrotman | mentor: how about an ear too ? |
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| 16:24.16 | mentor | abrotman: Of course, for all the good it will do :P |
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| 16:24.32 | abrotman | go figure |
| 16:24.40 | abrotman | we've been saying that for a while now |
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| 16:24.57 | zOap | mentor, just don't get tinnitus.. :) |
| 16:25.20 | mentor | the point being that the channel isn't producing any sound. |
| 16:25.40 | asg | mentor: you can pipe the output to festival |
| 16:25.50 | Dewi | mentor: I guess you've got one of those old-fashioned irc clients |
| 16:26.18 | mentor | No, I have one of those old fashioned computers where you look at the screen, and use a keyboard for input |
| 16:26.33 | abrotman | or he's like me .. hates it when the computer makes noise :) |
| 16:26.44 | asg | abrotman: rmmod pcspkr |
| 16:27.00 | zOap | then I would loose my job.. being a audio designer and all... that really scares me |
| 16:27.01 | abrotman | asg: no .. i mean noise |
| 16:27.07 | abrotman | asg: i don't mind the beep |
| 16:27.09 | Dewi | once you hear #debian in the voice of William Shatner, you'll ditch those old-fashioned irc clients forever. |
| 16:27.23 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 16:27.23 | dpkg | i guess popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 16:27.26 | asg | abrotman: I hate the beep, I loath the beep. |
| 16:28.01 | asg | Dewi: | chef | flite |
| 16:28.20 | abrotman | asg: BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP! |
| 16:28.35 | zOap | the beep is ok, it's just a 1000Hz tone lasting one frame. The problem is when the beep lasts more than a thousand frames. then it is becoming a problem |
| 16:28.36 | Dewi | |
| 16:28.59 | asg | abrotman: bork bork bork |
| 16:29.21 | abrotman | asg: use the wife! |
| 16:29.57 | asg | abrotman: wife requires change and I don't have any spare coins. |
| 16:30.12 | abrotman | asg: get new wife! |
| 16:30.44 | asg | abrotman: nah, the support contract on this one hasn't run out yet. |
| 16:30.57 | abrotman | asg: yearly maintenance agreement eh? :) |
| 16:31.03 | useruser | tarzeau: do you maintain dillo? it says "can't start dpi daemon" whenever i try to read a local file - any ideas? |
| 16:31.35 | abrotman | !maint dillo |
| 16:31.37 | dpkg | dillo: Gürkan Sengün <gurkan@linuks.mine.nu> |
| 16:32.25 | useruser | hm, can't be too many people called Gürkan round these parts... |
| 16:32.34 | abrotman | tarzeau: pickle! |
| 16:33.14 | useruser | tarzeau: um, it's actually "can't start dpid daemon" |
| 16:33.20 | abrotman | check the bts? |
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| 16:33.22 | useruser | tarzeau: i think that humungous patch broke it :) |
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| 16:34.18 | chillvnc | maulkin: you there ? |
| 16:34.19 | JayR | s |
| 16:34.29 | initzero_ | so can anyone tell me how to decode/playback AAC/mp4 over gstreamer0.10 on debian ? |
| 16:34.31 | useruser | abrotman: yeah, lots of very old open bugs with no response. was hoping to get a quicker reply here |
| 16:34.54 | abrotman | useruser: failed apparently :) |
| 16:35.03 | useruser | abrotman: :) |
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| 16:35.23 | JayR | I cant start X |
| 16:35.32 | abrotman | why not? |
| 16:35.42 | JayR | I edited the xf86config-4 file |
| 16:35.46 | zOap | JayR, you're the lucky one:) |
| 16:36.01 | useruser | tarzeau: if you want my advice, you should ditch the huge patch. it seems full of bugs |
| 16:36.04 | JayR | I added load "nvidia" |
| 16:36.11 | JayR | and driver "nvidia" |
| 16:36.16 | chillvnc | getting a flashing white screen using the nvidia driver and xorg. Anyone have any ideas on what is causing that. the nv driver works ok, but freezes when I try to shutdown gdm. |
| 16:36.18 | abrotman | !xmd5 |
| 16:36.18 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 16:36.21 | JayR | it would not start |
| 16:36.30 | abrotman | stop hitting enter every fourth word |
| 16:36.38 | fiveiron | bleh dangit |
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| 16:36.54 | fiveiron | how did i manage to not install stuff for X when i installed debian |
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| 16:37.40 | loggygreg | what is the xfreee86 driver for ATI Radeon x550 ? |
| 16:37.54 | abrotman | loggygreg: hahahah |
| 16:38.07 | abrotman | fiveiron: x-window-system-core |
| 16:38.07 | loggygreg | abrotman: it's not for me |
| 16:38.21 | tarzeau | useruser: yes? |
| 16:38.32 | abrotman | loggygreg: use the non-free ati driver |
| 16:38.41 | loggygreg | abrotman: ok |
| 16:38.47 | tarzeau | useruser: i don't think it's broke. tell me how i can reproduce it |
| 16:38.56 | tarzeau | useruser: if you want you can ditch the huge patch for yourself |
| 16:39.00 | useruser | tarzeau: i type in file:/// and it complains |
| 16:39.11 | useruser | tarzeau: true... but it's useful where it's not broken :) |
| 16:39.11 | tarzeau | useruser: or keep reporting bugs that i can reproduce. i will try it when i'm in debian again |
| 16:39.36 | useruser | tarzeau: ok. there is quite a backlog on the bts, though |
| 16:39.36 | tarzeau | useruser: there's some patch to build one dillo-light without the big patch. but it's not working perfectly |
| 16:39.45 | tarzeau | useruser: i've fixed over 30 bugs... |
| 16:40.01 | useruser | tarzeau: ok |
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| 16:40.12 | tarzeau | useruser: i've got a few more ready to close. |
| 16:40.19 | useruser | tarzeau: cool |
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| 16:40.25 | JayR | so I will just type: md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum |
| 16:40.27 | JayR | ? |
| 16:40.34 | JayR | and reconfirue? |
| 16:40.37 | ribnitz | heyas. |
| 16:40.39 | JayR | and reconfigue? |
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| 16:41.27 | Mazingaro | please, does anyone know how to enable automount in kde using udev and hal? |
| 16:41.35 | abrotman | #debian-ke |
| 16:41.38 | abrotman | #debian-kke |
| 16:41.50 | tarzeau | abrotman: #debian-kde ? |
| 16:42.02 | tarzeau | abrotman: my mom can type better |
| 16:42.04 | tiCo89 | hey tarzeau! |
| 16:42.05 | blondie | what does mounting have to do with kde |
| 16:42.07 | blondie | shrug |
| 16:42.13 | tarzeau | tiCo89: hey. gömer uf züri? |
| 16:42.22 | tiCo89 | tarzeau: today? |
| 16:42.26 | tarzeau | tiCo89: klar |
| 16:42.35 | tiCo89 | tarzeau: sure, i can be there at 20.00 |
| 16:42.47 | Mazingaro | blondie: because I like kde showing the right icon for removable mounted media |
| 16:42.48 | tarzeau | tiCo89: any place of preference? |
| 16:43.08 | abrotman | tarzeau: she cannot |
| 16:43.09 | blondie | Mazingaro: but what does kde have to do with mounting disks? |
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| 16:43.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: she can! |
| 16:43.15 | tiCo89 | tarzeau: i don't really know what this means, means it where i'd like to go? |
| 16:43.20 | Mazingaro | blondie: almost nothing |
| 16:43.24 | tarzeau | tiCo89: yes |
| 16:43.25 | abrotman | blondie: i have no idea .. but it's a better place to ask his question? :) |
| 16:43.39 | abrotman | tarzeau: is this after her day job in the brothel? |
| 16:43.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: feck uff |
| 16:43.52 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 16:44.00 | tiCo89 | tarzeau: hmmm, *$ maybe, i don't have a lot of money atm |
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| 16:44.14 | tiCo89 | *** apprenticeship =( |
| 16:44.19 | Mazingaro | I like kde showing the right icon for removable mounted media, when automounting a removable media like dvd, thanks |
| 16:44.30 | tarzeau | tiCo89: neither have i. bring your own water :) yes *$ is fine, afterwards niderdörfli? |
| 16:44.33 | tiCo89 | tarzeau: some oder ideas? |
| 16:44.41 | tarzeau | tiCo89: i want to dig some chicks |
| 16:44.42 | zOap | tiCo89, you have the same nick as my dog:) |
| 16:44.47 | blondie | "kde sucks" is all I can say |
| 16:44.49 | tiCo89 | tarzeau: yes, the niderdoerfli is cool |
| 16:44.50 | tarzeau | zOap: haha |
| 16:44.56 | tarzeau | blondie: full ack |
| 16:45.07 | tiCo89 | zOap: cool, greet the dog from my side... |
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| 16:45.22 | zOap | I will:) |
| 16:45.30 | tarzeau | zOap: photo? |
| 16:45.38 | zOap | hmm, hang on |
| 16:46.39 | tiCo89 | tarzeau: will someone else come too? |
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| 16:46.54 | tiCo89 | maybe werewolfi, or panthera or maybe papo |
| 16:47.05 | tiCo89 | or B ;-) |
| 16:47.08 | tarzeau | tiCo89: no idea. go ahead and ask... |
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| 16:47.14 | sphenxes | I have downloaded some .deb programs on CD and would like to add them on another computer "no internet connection". I tried to dpkg -i package.deb. i got the error can't read the file. what should I do with the Cd. 1. should I added to dselect first thane dpkg. or dpkg -i package.deb is enough. |
| 16:47.39 | zOap | tico: http://home.c2i.net/finnmarkhona/tico.JPG |
| 16:47.41 | zinx | sphenxes: sounds like a bad burn to me... |
| 16:48.11 | tiCo89 | zOap: *wget* |
| 16:48.16 | zOap | haha |
| 16:48.28 | sphenxes | zinx, i will try to check it once more. but is dpkg -i enough |
| 16:48.37 | tarzeau | zOap: haha |
| 16:48.44 | zinx | sphenxes: yes |
| 16:48.49 | sphenxes | thanks |
| 16:48.54 | zinx | sphenxes: unless you're missing dependencies |
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| 16:49.12 | zinx | sphenxes: (and it will tell you which ones you're missing, if you are) |
| 16:49.21 | tiCo89 | zOap: sweet dog ;-) |
| 16:49.27 | sphenxes | zinx, ic thanks |
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| 16:49.52 | zOap | yeah, so you have something to live up to, namewise:) |
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| 16:51.58 | fiveiron | hmmm |
| 16:52.30 | De_Mon | how do I figure out what a virtual package really installs? |
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| 16:53.49 | abrotman | apt-cache show <pkg> |
| 16:54.44 | fiveiron | anyone know where libc6 is on the debian ftp? |
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| 16:55.20 | abrotman | what's wrong with yours? |
| 16:55.28 | krummie | everything is wrong |
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| 16:55.53 | fiveiron | libxfont1 needs to be >= 2.3.5, and i have 2.3.2.ds1-22 |
| 16:56.06 | fiveiron | err libxfont1 NEEDS libc6 to be ... |
| 16:56.10 | abrotman | stop using etch packages on sarge |
| 16:56.18 | krummie | lol |
| 16:56.21 | fiveiron | blhe |
| 16:56.22 | zOap | Someone knows of a audio search tool with database? Need option to preview and drag and drop files.. |
| 16:56.29 | abrotman | fiveiron: no .. really .. i'm not joking |
| 16:56.36 | fiveiron | i know you're not |
| 16:56.42 | fiveiron | can i install etch via the net installer? |
| 16:56.44 | thingfish | yeah, you say "blhe" now, just wait. |
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| 16:56.50 | abrotman | !tell fiveiron about sarge->etch |
| 16:56.57 | krummie | fiveiron change your sources.list |
| 16:56.58 | abrotman | fiveiron: at your own risk .. stuff may be broken |
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| 16:57.28 | krummie | fiveiron nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list switch over to testing/unstable |
| 16:57.52 | fiveiron | doing that now |
| 16:57.58 | mentor | fiveiron: apt-cache show libc6 |
| 16:58.00 | fiveiron | then just do apt-get update and upgrade? |
| 16:58.00 | krummie | distupgrade and use whatever you just wanted to use. try dotdeb too |
| 16:58.00 | DevilChaos | im trying to compile my own kernel and i put this command in to set it up as a .deb package done something wrong though heres what i typed in blackbox:/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.15# fakeroot make -dpkg --initrd --revision=1.0 kernel image |
| 16:58.05 | abrotman | krummie: NO |
| 16:58.09 | krummie | ohw |
| 16:58.11 | abrotman | fiveiron: use etch .. not testing |
| 16:58.15 | krummie | okay if abrotman says NO it's NO! |
| 16:58.21 | mentor | fiveiron: Look for Filename |
| 16:58.44 | abrotman | testing will ALWAYS be testing .. etch will one day be released .. |
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| 16:58.48 | krummie | fiveiron it's not as simple as windowsupdate |
| 16:58.49 | mentor | fiveiron: But yeah, don't mix stable and testing. Crack is bad mmm'kay... |
| 16:58.50 | abrotman | well .. presumably |
| 16:58.59 | abrotman | !flamethrower |
| 16:58.59 | dpkg | Ever seen what happens when you put fire to plastic? This is what happens when you mix your sarge sources with testing/unstable |
| 16:59.01 | vickybot | abrotman: Error: "flamethrower" is not a valid command. |
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| 16:59.07 | abrotman | vickybot: FUCKING DIE |
| 16:59.08 | vickybot | abrotman: Error: "FUCKING" is not a valid command. |
| 16:59.15 | mentor | !hi |
| 16:59.15 | dpkg | hello, mentor |
| 16:59.16 | abrotman | mentor: please kill vickybot .. again |
| 16:59.22 | *** mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 16:59.29 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@84.228.44.112] by mentor |
| 16:59.37 | abrotman | yay! |
| 16:59.42 | krummie | heh' |
| 16:59.45 | DevilChaos | lol |
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| 16:59.58 | krummie | I feel like going to the colo and reinstall stuff |
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| 17:00.05 | mentor | ffs |
| 17:00.14 | abrotman | hehe |
| 17:00.14 | fiveiron | krummie: i realize that. but once i switch these sources over, what must i do to be running etch? |
| 17:00.21 | nimeni0 | anyone know a torrent client that doesn't require xorg and has the feature to download only the files you select from a torrent ? |
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| 17:00.29 | krummie | why would you want to RUN etch? |
| 17:00.32 | DevilChaos | abrotman: any advice for my question please? |
| 17:00.42 | *** kick/#debian [vickybot!n=matthew@unaffiliated/mentor] by mentor (Use another trigger in #debian) |
| 17:00.44 | krummie | while you don't yet know on how to change the sources.list |
| 17:00.46 | DevilChaos | i run etch |
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| 17:00.54 | abrotman | krummie: slightly newer software .. but more broken . usually not as broken as sid .. but broken longer :) |
| 17:00.58 | krummie | DevilChaos :/ I meant fiveiron |
| 17:00.58 | abrotman | DevilChaos: que? |
| 17:01.03 | DevilChaos | oops half a convoursation |
| 17:01.12 | DevilChaos | im trying to compile my own kernel and i put this command in to set it up as a .deb package done something wrong though heres what i typed in blackbox:/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.15# fakeroot make -dpkg --initrd --revision=1.0 kernel image |
| 17:01.14 | abrotman | !tell DevilChaos about kp |
| 17:01.21 | fiveiron | krummie: i'm attempting to get xgl running |
| 17:01.31 | fiveiron | not new to *nix... just debian |
| 17:01.45 | fiveiron | i'm running 2 freebsd servers as well as this debian box i'm setting up |
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| 17:02.07 | krummie | bbl > colo |
| 17:02.09 | krummie | & |
| 17:02.53 | Linx_Noob | attempting debian network / floppy install, boot disk boots & prompts for root disk, insert rood disk & press enter to get "Device not found!", have tried "removable ide" & "removable atapi" bios settings, floppy is an ls-120, any help appreciated, i am a linux noob |
| 17:02.56 | initzero_ | chroot / |
| 17:03.01 | initzero_ | lol |
| 17:03.22 | useruser | anyone know of a script to colorize whitespace on the terminal? |
| 17:03.47 | initzero_ | KDEKolorKiddie |
| 17:03.49 | Linx_Noob | oops root not rood hehe |
| 17:03.53 | krummie | WHAHAHA |
| 17:03.58 | abrotman | Linx_Noob: you may want to ask #debian-boot .. i think the ls120 is an ide device .. i'm not sure how that affects the floppy image .. what about putting the netinst image on an ls120 disk ? |
| 17:04.25 | krummie | abrotman ls120 idd is a IDE device |
| 17:04.36 | abrotman | i know what it is .. yay gateway! |
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| 17:04.46 | blondie | I EAT GLUE |
| 17:04.53 | initzero_ | I SNIFF GLUE |
| 17:04.53 | krummie | what kind? |
| 17:04.59 | krummie | Bison Kit? |
| 17:05.05 | abrotman | krummie: the question is wether or not the bios will redirect the "floppy" activity to the ls120 drive |
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| 17:05.12 | DevilChaos | lol |
| 17:05.15 | Linx_Noob | abortman: my other machings are windows based, i am using winimage to write floppy, any suggestions on how i can write root and boot image to one ls-120 from windows? |
| 17:05.16 | DevilChaos | !log |
| 17:05.16 | dpkg | Yeah, big guy, show me your /var/log!, or "It's /var/log, /var/log, it's big, it's heavy, it's wood! It's /var/log, /var/log, it's better than bad it's good!" |
| 17:05.29 | krummie | abrotman the linux bios? or the mobo's? |
| 17:05.32 | tiCo89 | tarzeau: okey, i'll be there at 20.30, half hour later |
| 17:05.42 | tiCo89 | i didn't see that it's already 18.05 |
| 17:05.43 | initzero_ | i want to mount my swap part, any help welcome |
| 17:05.46 | tiCo89 | okey? |
| 17:05.46 | abrotman | Linx_Noob: why not write the whole netinst 105MB image to the floppy? |
| 17:05.47 | Linx_Noob | in the boot image there is a line root=/dev/rd/0 |
| 17:05.54 | abrotman | krummie: linux bios ? |
| 17:06.08 | tiCo89 | tarzeau: we meet under the fat angel at the trainstation okey? |
| 17:06.10 | krummie | I thought the linux kernel had it;s own bios like thingy |
| 17:06.30 | abrotman | Linx_Noob: i'd ask #debian-boot |
| 17:06.36 | krummie | bbl |
| 17:06.37 | krummie | again |
| 17:06.49 | Linx_Noob | i guess i dont understand what you are suggesting, i have 4 seperate images i d/l'd and do not know how to combine them to one ls-120 |
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| 17:07.00 | abrotman | Linx_Noob: i'm suggesting |
| 17:07.01 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 17:07.01 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. |
| 17:07.08 | abrotman | you get that ISO .. and put it on the floppy somehow |
| 17:07.22 | abrotman | but i don't know if it will work .. so ask #debian-boot |
| 17:07.31 | Linx_Noob | thanks for irc channel and links |
| 17:07.38 | Linx_Noob | and suggestions |
| 17:07.49 | tarzeau | tiCo89: 8 o clock? |
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| 17:07.55 | tiCo89 | tarzeau: 20.30 |
| 17:07.59 | tarzeau | tiCo89: ah half past, yeah that's fine |
| 17:08.05 | DSL_ | hi |
| 17:08.08 | tiCo89 | tarzeau: under the fat angel okey? |
| 17:08.17 | initzero_ | btw: where can i find the mail from this cool debian developer who postet "anyone who is interested in lesbians" to the dev mailing list |
| 17:08.33 | DevilChaos | doh |
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| 17:09.31 | Blackhold | abrotman, the netinstall cd dont work :( |
| 17:09.39 | phaedral | hi all; looking for compare/contrast of raggle/rawdog/snownews or other console rss aggregators |
| 17:09.43 | initzero_ | gimme a link where i can see the discussion!! |
| 17:09.45 | tiCo89 | tarzeau: okey, i go now to take a shower, cuuu |
| 17:09.55 | Blackhold | I'm trying again with a etch from january |
| 17:10.09 | syntaxis | initzero_: next time, try Googling first - the first match for "lesbians" returned by http://lists.debian.org/google.html is the post you're looking for |
| 17:10.15 | sphenxes | is there a better podcast than amarok |
| 17:10.21 | phaedral | personal experiences welcome to msg me rather than suck up channel space |
| 17:10.33 | tarzeau | tiCo89: cu |
| 17:10.39 | initzero_ | okay thx, i love lesbians |
| 17:10.45 | tarzeau | initzero_: photos? |
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| 17:10.49 | DevilChaos | lol |
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| 17:14.08 | chemokid | hi guys, i'm in the process of install debian on my b&w g3 and in the partitioning phase. i want to use this box as a web & ftp server and would like to partition accordingly. i know i can change this later on but does debian use /var/www and /var/ftp by default? |
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| 17:18.20 | J_P | hi all |
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| 17:21.07 | scorpio | hi! ìÅÛË ÐÒÉ×ÅÔ |
| 17:21.20 | scorpio | maheem hello ! |
| 17:21.27 | thingfish | hi what |
| 17:21.40 | zOap | scorpio, don't do that |
| 17:21.41 | maheem | hello... dont see russian |
| 17:21.54 | scorpio | ok |
| 17:22.27 | maheem | really work through proxy |
| 17:24.50 | maheem | people. have a trouble with gtk-theme-switch. not applying changes |
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| 17:27.25 | lacc | hi |
| 17:27.46 | oliknoli | anyone who knows how i can log on as root on proftpd? |
| 17:27.46 | tralala | Can I get the config file of linux-image-2.6.15 without downloading the whole package? |
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| 17:28.20 | Webby` | Hi, how do I get ati tv wonder usb 2.0 to work? |
| 17:28.33 | Webby` | I mean, does it work in debian? |
| 17:28.54 | positron | When I type dpkg -l | grep ssh i see ssh with index rc. How do I complete remove it? I just installed ssh-server from backports and it didnt remove the old ssh with --purge i think. Whats the solution? |
| 17:29.38 | tralala | oliknoli: usually the ftp servers have the root logins disabled. I guess proftpd is not an exception. Maybe you can modify the config file to allow root logins but I don't know how. |
| 17:29.52 | abrotman | Blackhold: none of them? |
| 17:30.07 | blondie | logging in to ftp as root is a retarded idea |
| 17:30.07 | Blackhold | nope |
| 17:30.10 | tralala | positron: dpkg -P or apt-get --purge remove or aptitude purge |
| 17:30.15 | abrotman | Blackhold: which did you try? |
| 17:30.19 | oliknoli | anyone who knows how i can log on as root on proftpd? |
| 17:30.21 | abrotman | Blackhold: why doesn't the sarge one work? |
| 17:30.24 | Storkme | what exactly is a file server? |
| 17:30.30 | Storkme | nevermind, i don't care |
| 17:30.32 | Blackhold | nor locales in catalan nor locales in english |
| 17:30.32 | abrotman | server that stores files |
| 17:30.37 | Storkme | no shit |
| 17:30.40 | Blackhold | sarge works |
| 17:30.45 | Blackhold | now Im installing it |
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| 17:31.14 | Blackhold | file server system is NFS? |
| 17:31.16 | tralala | Webby`: this sounds more like linux question. If linux supports it then it should work in debian (I think). |
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| 17:31.55 | abrotman | ok |
| 17:32.00 | abrotman | Storkme: you asked! |
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| 17:33.07 | tiCo89 | tarzeau: already gone? |
| 17:34.20 | positron | tralala: no its index is pc |
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| 17:34.49 | positron | tralala: update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/ssh exists during rc.d purge (use -f to force) |
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| 17:34.54 | positron | tralala: -f wont help |
| 17:34.55 | tar_ | tiCo89: nei wieso? |
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| 17:35.10 | tar_ | tiCo89: screen hed es problem. velech hani zvel feisterli (mit 480) |
| 17:35.19 | dionoea | hello, anyone here know about Xgl/Compiz experimental debian packages ? |
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| 17:35.28 | positron | How do I determine the version of currently running sshd? |
| 17:35.36 | tar_ | positron: telnet to it |
| 17:35.42 | tar_ | dionoea: no |
| 17:35.54 | abrotman | i don't think there are any yet |
| 17:36.14 | dionoea | tar_: are any planned ? (that you know of) |
| 17:36.20 | tar_ | dionoea: i don't care |
| 17:36.25 | abrotman | i'm sure there are .. but not there yet |
| 17:36.27 | tar_ | dionoea: i've got windows xp |
| 17:36.30 | dionoea | i'm not asking if you care |
| 17:36.33 | dionoea | i'm asking if you know |
| 17:36.37 | tar_ | dionoea: i don't know |
| 17:36.41 | dionoea | ok, thanks |
| 17:36.44 | abrotman | dionoea: just ignore tar_ |
| 17:36.55 | tar_ | i want my screen session back. and it's not coming. |
| 17:36.57 | tralala | positron: you can remove the rc files with rm /etc/rc?.d/*ssh* |
| 17:36.58 | tiCo89 | tar_: don't know... |
| 17:37.00 | abrotman | dionoea: i'm sure they will be there eventually ... /msg dpkg xgl |
| 17:37.02 | smaug9 | positron: try telnetting to your server on port 22 |
| 17:37.10 | dionoea | abrotman: ok, thanks |
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| 17:37.16 | tar_ | tiCo89: was hesch wele säge? |
| 17:37.17 | tiCo89 | tar_: if something will go wrong... you have my number, yes? |
| 17:37.20 | abrotman | !ch |
| 17:37.20 | dpkg | it has been said that ch is Switzerland |
| 17:37.24 | abrotman | bah . fucking stupid swiss |
| 17:37.34 | tiCo89 | abrotman: *hit* |
| 17:37.34 | tar_ | tiCo89: yes, i'll shave now and then take the train... 08:00 |
| 17:37.45 | tar_ | abrotman: i'm not swiss. but yes i'm fucking. sometimes |
| 17:37.50 | tiCo89 | tar_: okey, and 20.30 under the fat angel =) |
| 17:37.54 | tiCo89 | tar_: rofl ;-) |
| 17:38.37 | abrotman | do either of you have a debian question? |
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| 17:38.46 | positron | I cant login no more! I installed the new ssh-server from backports and now when I try to connect with ssh it says: Connection closed by _my_ip_ |
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| 17:39.04 | abrotman | positron: why would you do that? |
| 17:39.14 | positron | abrotman: what? |
| 17:39.16 | tiCo89 | abrotman: tar_ and me are debian maintainers |
| 17:39.21 | abrotman | install a backported ssh ? |
| 17:39.22 | Sonny | do you know how to unistall a kernel installed that I compiled? |
| 17:39.28 | tiCo89 | and this channel is not dedicated to questions |
| 17:39.35 | positron | abrotman: because its newer |
| 17:39.38 | abrotman | tiCo89: that doesn't mean you have debian questions .. at this point you're flooding the channel with swiss that noone else understands |
| 17:39.43 | abrotman | positron: bad answer |
| 17:39.49 | Shadowcat | very bad answer |
| 17:40.03 | abrotman | Sonny: did you use make-kpkg ? |
| 17:40.07 | positron | doh i got problems with the stable 3.8 |
| 17:40.08 | Cynthrax | what's the simplest way to show the current bandwidth usage of my system? is there any nice command line based tool? |
| 17:40.15 | abrotman | ntop ? |
| 17:40.23 | tobehz | Cynthrax: bwmon.sourceforge.net |
| 17:40.28 | positron | connection freezes and the connection remains established in the server end |
| 17:40.35 | absolutzero | does anyone here use postfix as their MTA? |
| 17:40.36 | positron | KeepAlive or TCPKeepAlive wont help |
| 17:40.39 | Cynthrax | tobehz, thx |
| 17:40.42 | abrotman | absolutzero: lots of people |
| 17:40.45 | Shadowcat | positron: maybe you should take a look at your network configuration |
| 17:40.48 | Shadowcat | !anyone |
| 17:40.48 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 17:41.08 | dionoea | thanks for the help everyone ... :) |
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| 17:41.13 | absolutzero | been reading on postfix, I am pretty impressed |
| 17:41.18 | Red_Cloud | I am attempting to upgrade to etch from sarge. I have now gotten my source.list content messed up. Could someone please paste bin the correct contents of sources.list so that I may corrrect my link addresses of this file? Thanks |
| 17:41.21 | positron | Shadowcat: to where exactly? |
| 17:41.27 | positron | abrotman: why bad answer? |
| 17:41.29 | Shadowcat | Red_Cloud: why? |
| 17:41.36 | abrotman | positron: upgrading just to be newer is a bad idea |
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| 17:41.43 | Red_Cloud | Shadowcat, because it is my hobby |
| 17:41.47 | abrotman | absolutzero: ok .. is there a question ? |
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| 17:41.55 | positron | abrotman: newer is better |
| 17:41.59 | Shadowcat | Red_Cloud: I won't help you upgrade to sarge just for the hell of it |
| 17:42.00 | abrotman | !sns syndrome |
| 17:42.00 | dpkg | i guess sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 17:42.12 | absolutzero | can anyone direct me to a debian specific setup guide for postfix? |
| 17:42.15 | Shadowcat | err etch I mean |
| 17:42.21 | abrotman | absolutzero: apt-get install postfix ... |
| 17:42.23 | Red_Cloud | Shadowcat, fine with me. But it does seem rather arogant. |
| 17:42.30 | Shadowcat | Red_Cloud: no |
| 17:42.36 | absolutzero | no no |
| 17:42.42 | absolutzero | I mean a configuration guide |
| 17:42.48 | Shadowcat | if you give me a valid reason I will help you |
| 17:42.51 | abrotman | the regular docs will work at www.postfix.org |
| 17:42.58 | Sonny | abrotman: yep I did that |
| 17:43.02 | absolutzero | for GNU? |
| 17:43.06 | Shadowcat | "hobby" falls right in there with "because it's newer" |
| 17:43.17 | Sonny | abrotman: and I installed the kernel with dpkg -i bla bla bla |
| 17:43.29 | positron | Shadowcat: newer is better |
| 17:43.30 | abrotman | Sonny: then you can use dpkg to remove it |
| 17:43.44 | Shadowcat | positron: then you can go and solve your problem on your own, without our help |
| 17:43.47 | abrotman | positron: obviously not .. yours is now broken eh? :) |
| 17:44.10 | Shadowcat | Sonny: are you using sarge? |
| 17:44.24 | Sonny | Shadowcat: nop I'm using etch |
| 17:44.31 | positron | Shadowcat: how naive |
| 17:44.34 | Shadowcat | Sonny: go into aptitude |
| 17:44.45 | Shadowcat | it should be in the Obsolete and Locally Created Packages section |
| 17:45.01 | absolutzero | well thanks, happy nixing |
| 17:45.05 | Red_Cloud | Shadowcat. I do not have to have your permission. |
| 17:45.13 | Sonny | Do you know why when I touch my touchpad its like a clic? it is very sensitive... how can I change it? |
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| 17:45.34 | Shadowcat | Red_Cloud: no you don't, but I don't need to help you either |
| 17:45.45 | Shadowcat | Sonny: synapics touchpad? |
| 17:46.09 | Shadowcat | the synapics driver has a whole bunch of "Option" headings you can give in X |
| 17:46.12 | Shadowcat | !synaptics |
| 17:46.12 | dpkg | hmm... synaptics is http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/index.html#Download, or for synaptics support in x install xfree86-driver-synaptics, or try modprobe -r psmouse ; modprobe psmouse if its not working |
| 17:46.19 | Sonny | Shadowcat: I think so, its a toshiba laptop |
| 17:46.21 | Shadowcat | read the documentation on that page |
| 17:46.33 | Shadowcat | you'll have to edit xorg.conf |
| 17:46.40 | smaug9 | how do I get webmin to show existing zones in dns? |
| 17:46.40 | Red_Cloud | Shadowcat, that is just fine with me, for there are plenty of people who are not so full of themselves that they would require another to bow to them before help is given. |
| 17:46.55 | smaug9 | right now it only shows the default zones |
| 17:47.00 | Shadowcat | Red_Cloud: no actually you'll get pretty much the same answer from all the regulars |
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| 17:47.11 | Shadowcat | if you need a feature that's only in etch |
| 17:47.19 | Shadowcat | we'll tell you how to run it without breaking your system |
| 17:47.23 | blondie | grrr stupid etch installer |
| 17:47.24 | Shadowcat | otherwise, you're on your own |
| 17:47.32 | Shadowcat | blondie proving my point |
| 17:47.59 | Red_Cloud | Shadowcat, I know that to be "not the case". Most people here are more generous with others than what you have shown yourself to be. |
| 17:48.19 | Shadowcat | so that's why abrotman's ignoring you to eh |
| 17:48.25 | zinx | most people in here don't know wtf they're doing :D |
| 17:48.38 | Shadowcat | zinx: actually most people do |
| 17:48.47 | abrotman | Shadowcat: huh? |
| 17:48.57 | zinx | Shadowcat: the most that he's referring to -- the vocal most -- do not ;) |
| 17:48.59 | Shadowcat | abrotman: Red_Cloud wants to upgrade to etch as a "hobby" |
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| 17:49.13 | Shadowcat | zinx: that's true |
| 17:49.28 | Red_Cloud | Shadowcat, so you now pay homage to your superior? Anyway, I did not know that he was ignoring me. He has shown no sign of ignorance. |
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| 17:49.36 | abrotman | Shadowcat: it can be a hobby .. a time consuming one :) |
| 17:49.44 | abrotman | Red_Cloud: i'm not ignoring you |
| 17:49.50 | abrotman | i didn't see him ask me a question |
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| 17:49.58 | Shadowcat | abrotman: well I guess, if you want to reinstall everytime you screw something up |
| 17:50.07 | abrotman | Red_Cloud: paste your sources somewhere |
| 17:50.09 | abrotman | !pste |
| 17:50.10 | abrotman | !psste |
| 17:50.13 | abrotman | !paste |
| 17:50.13 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 17:50.15 | blondie | past |
| 17:50.17 | blondie | pissed |
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| 17:50.19 | Shadowcat | ok you take it |
| 17:50.21 | abrotman | blondie: watch it! |
| 17:50.23 | Red_Cloud | abrotman, no problem. Shadowcat decided to put me into my place and we were just conversing on that subject |
| 17:50.26 | Shadowcat | blondie: what did you screw up? |
| 17:50.31 | blondie | abrotman: watch what? |
| 17:50.32 | abrotman | why can't i get NESN ? |
| 17:50.33 | Shadowcat | or is it the installer? |
| 17:50.37 | abrotman | blondie: picking on me :) |
| 17:50.45 | blondie | the installer just stops halfway through copying files |
| 17:50.51 | lightcap | why would screen work with root, but when I try to call it with a non-priv user I get "Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/0' - please check.' |
| 17:50.53 | blondie | s/half way/20%/ |
| 17:50.56 | Shadowcat | blondie: what's the debug error? |
| 17:51.00 | blondie | no error message, it just stops |
| 17:51.02 | abrotman | wow .. this movie really shows what a horrible actor mark hamill is |
| 17:51.09 | Shadowcat | what movie? |
| 17:51.10 | blondie | debug error, what debug error? |
| 17:51.16 | abrotman | Shadowcat: big red one |
| 17:51.27 | Shadowcat | blondie: on a terminal |
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| 17:51.32 | Shadowcat | I think it's F3 or something |
| 17:51.34 | blondie | there isn't a terminal |
| 17:51.36 | blondie | hm |
| 17:51.40 | blondie | I rebooted |
| 17:51.45 | Shadowcat | the installer spews out a bunch of verbose everytime it does something |
| 17:51.46 | Shadowcat | bah |
| 17:51.47 | abrotman | Shadowcat: http://imdb.com/title/tt0080437/ |
| 17:51.55 | blondie | I'm impatient |
| 17:51.57 | blondie | I tried F2 |
| 17:52.03 | blondie | that didn't work, so I rebooted >.< |
| 17:52.24 | Shadowcat | next time take a look at the verbose terminal! :P |
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| 17:52.40 | maheem | gtk-themt switch not working. theme and font not applying. what reason? |
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| 17:52.47 | smaug9 | is there another way of determing what release debian a machine is running besides looking at the sources.list |
| 17:52.52 | blondie | I also don't like the standard etch installer for not asking me if I want to make home directories world readable |
| 17:52.56 | blondie | that's retarded |
| 17:52.58 | Shadowcat | cat /etc/deiban_version |
| 17:52.59 | Shadowcat | err |
| 17:53.01 | blondie | (it makes them world readable) |
| 17:53.04 | Shadowcat | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 17:53.07 | abrotman | !version |
| 17:53.07 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 17:53.09 | Sonny | Shadowcat: So if I want to configure my touchpad I have to edit the Xorg.conf file... is it the only way? |
| 17:53.20 | smaug9 | Shadowcat: gracias |
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| 17:53.24 | Shadowcat | Sonny: if you want to run non-standard yes |
| 17:53.26 | abrotman | Red_Cloud: are you pasting your sources somewhere? |
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| 17:53.50 | Shadowcat | personally, I think the defaults are just fine |
| 17:53.58 | Sonny | Shadowcat: I want to change the tapping time.. i think this is my problem |
| 17:54.06 | Shadowcat | abrotman: he's probably trying to figure out how to get the stuff from a console into the paste buffer |
| 17:54.07 | Shadowcat | :) |
| 17:54.23 | abrotman | he could just ask |
| 17:54.29 | blondie | Shadowcat: having home directories world readable is not fine! |
| 17:54.54 | Shadowcat | blondie: you can change that after you install base |
| 17:54.59 | Shadowcat | but ya that's a minor annoyance yes |
| 17:55.14 | blondie | I know I can change it, but it shouldn't be that way |
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| 17:55.23 | Shadowcat | file a bug report :P |
| 17:55.25 | blondie | other things are stupid too, like allowing root to use ssh |
| 17:55.50 | Sonny | Does somebody here have installed the Atheros wifi (madwifi) drivers well? successful? |
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| 17:56.53 | oliknoli | how can i change the web directory in apache(/var/www) to inside my home directory?? or make my user on proftpd be able to write to /var/www?? |
| 17:57.19 | Shadowcat | umm |
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| 17:57.27 | yang | how do i make Proftpd listen on one IP only? |
| 17:57.34 | Shadowcat | doesn't apache have a setting for ~/public_html ? |
| 17:57.39 | kampasky | Hi. Can I somehow tell Debian that I have a package "virtually" installed even if it in fact isn't so? (I'd like to say "I really have mplayer-custom installed, even if you don't know about it") |
| 17:57.44 | blondie | Shadowcat: are they bugs? seems more like poor choices to me |
| 17:57.45 | Shadowcat | yang: umm read the man page for the config file |
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| 17:57.55 | Shadowcat | blondie: no use complaining to us |
| 17:57.58 | Shadowcat | we don't work on the installer |
| 17:58.00 | cusco | Shadowcat: what setting' |
| 17:58.01 | yang | Shadowcat: it no man page for that |
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| 17:58.09 | yang | Shad0wcat: missing |
| 17:58.10 | cusco | oh sorry |
| 17:58.14 | Shadowcat | yang: I'm sure it's documented somewhere |
| 17:58.16 | abrotman | Red_Cloud: your sources look fine to me .. what is the problem then? |
| 17:58.22 | tiCo89 | tarzeau: i go now, cuuuuu later |
| 17:58.25 | blondie | also I don't like being forced to add a non-root user on installation |
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| 17:58.30 | abrotman | !tell kampasky about equivs |
| 17:58.37 | Shadowcat | blondie: that's good security |
| 17:58.45 | Shadowcat | you NEED a non-root user |
| 17:58.48 | abrotman | Red_Cloud: what is wrong with your debian ? |
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| 17:58.51 | Shadowcat | with emphasis on NEED |
| 17:59.00 | blondie | Shadowcat: but not with its default settings |
| 17:59.05 | blondie | first thing I do is remove it |
| 17:59.09 | Shadowcat | uhh |
| 17:59.16 | blondie | and set one up again how I want |
| 17:59.28 | Shadowcat | I have no problems with the default user |
| 17:59.28 | blondie | I want to specify gid, uid, etc |
| 17:59.34 | Shadowcat | you can do that |
| 17:59.39 | Shadowcat | you didn't read the installer documentation |
| 17:59.40 | blondie | not during install |
| 17:59.44 | Shadowcat | yeah you can |
| 17:59.46 | blondie | lies |
| 17:59.52 | kampasky | abrotman: thanks! |
| 17:59.55 | Shadowcat | you can set the question priority to low |
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| 18:00.02 | Shadowcat | which means it'll go nazi on you on the questions |
| 18:00.10 | Shadowcat | it'll literally ask you to specify everything |
| 18:00.22 | blondie | I don't want to specify everything |
| 18:00.29 | Shadowcat | then stop whining |
| 18:00.31 | Shadowcat | !cheese |
| 18:00.32 | dpkg | i guess cheese is made from milk, be it from Cows or Humans. Can also use goat's milk, and tastes very good that way |
| 18:00.32 | blondie | no :P |
| 18:00.36 | Shadowcat | hmm |
| 18:00.37 | blondie | I like whining |
| 18:00.43 | blondie | harder |
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| 18:01.06 | Shadowcat | anything else? |
| 18:01.07 | thingfish | and buffalo, too - that's where real mozzarella comes from. |
| 18:01.20 | blondie | ah well hitting "go back" a few times got it to ask me if i want a user or not |
| 18:01.33 | blondie | Shadowcat: please stop making me horny |
| 18:01.41 | Shadowcat | hah |
| 18:01.53 | thingfish | hehe |
| 18:01.55 | Shadowcat | that's the plan |
| 18:02.02 | Shadowcat | to get you doing other "chores" |
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| 18:06.45 | vargux | holaaa |
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| 18:08.03 | jason__ | hi everyone |
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| 18:08.52 | jason__ | i was using stbale and now i just upgraded to untested vai changing my sources.list then going apt-get update && apt-get upgrade. are there any more steps involved? |
| 18:09.43 | overnout | mayby run apt-get dist-upgrade instead |
| 18:10.06 | resiak | by untested do you mean testing or unstable? |
| 18:10.19 | Shadowcat | heh untested |
| 18:10.20 | nadjyla | jason__, problem can be happen to change xfree to xorg |
| 18:10.27 | Shadowcat | strictly speaking untested would be experimental |
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| 18:10.33 | Shadowcat | and if you're asking about experimental |
| 18:10.38 | Shadowcat | you definately shouldn't be running it |
| 18:10.45 | resiak | another step that is involved is to subscribe to debian-devel-announce (so you know about upcoming transitions) and installing apt-listbugs |
| 18:10.56 | loukoum | how can I check the size ofa directory ? |
| 18:11.01 | jason__ | nadjyla, what can happened between xfree and xorg? |
| 18:11.01 | nadjyla | df |
| 18:11.08 | Shadowcat | nadjyla: no |
| 18:11.09 | Shadowcat | du |
| 18:11.24 | maheem | du -h |
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| 18:11.32 | tarzeau | tiCo89: cu |
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| 18:11.37 | Shadowcat | I usualy use du -sh |
| 18:11.39 | Shadowcat | but ya |
| 18:11.41 | Shadowcat | usually* |
| 18:11.46 | loukoum | thanks |
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| 18:12.49 | solemnwarning | hi all |
| 18:12.57 | maheem | gtk-theme-switch not working. don't apply changes |
| 18:13.05 | solemnwarning | is there any way to actually make mythtv work, not whine about a pointless backend? |
| 18:13.15 | abrotman | is mythtv in debian? |
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| 18:13.20 | nadjyla | switch or swith2 maheem |
| 18:13.24 | Shadowcat | not officially |
| 18:13.25 | maheem | switch |
| 18:13.31 | abrotman | then solemnwarning is asking the wrong channel |
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| 18:13.31 | Shadowcat | !info switch |
| 18:13.31 | LinuxNIT- | hey guys i was using dvgrab to get the video off my camera and it works but the resulting avi is poor quality. how do i increase the quality of the avi file? |
| 18:13.41 | maheem | switc2 working good |
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| 18:14.09 | nadjyla | switch only for gtk1 |
| 18:14.17 | _X-Treme | abrotman: yes, theres a repository here http://www.digitalhobo.com/?p=104 |
| 18:14.32 | abrotman | _X-Treme: that's not official .. it's not in debian |
| 18:14.47 | Shadowcat | that's marillat |
| 18:14.54 | Shadowcat | which isn't a part of debian |
| 18:14.59 | maheem | i mean gtk1. gtk2 has changes |
| 18:15.04 | Shadowcat | lots of people run stuff off marillat and run into problems |
| 18:15.17 | Shadowcat | just because they're lazy and don't want to read the documentation for the compile |
| 18:15.26 | nadjyla | dont use mythtv but no problem with marillat |
| 18:15.40 | Shadowcat | nadjyla: ya but you probably know how to use the packages on there |
| 18:15.47 | Shadowcat | the most common problem is mplayer |
| 18:15.47 | pipeline | MythTV is pretty annoying to deal with in general; it's probably not marillat's fault :p |
| 18:16.00 | Shadowcat | pipeline: mostly it's pebkac |
| 18:16.12 | pipeline | heh, someday, someone will write a terminal interface for VLC that's not as bad as the current one. Then mplayer will die :P |
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| 18:16.14 | Shadowcat | they think installing the deb of marillat is the easy way out |
| 18:16.24 | Shadowcat | off* |
| 18:16.32 | nadjyla | it is lol |
| 18:16.40 | nadjyla | :) |
| 18:16.41 | Shadowcat | but instead they run into all these configuration options that were obviously mentioned in chapter two of the official how-to |
| 18:16.54 | Shadowcat | which they of course couldn't be bothered to read |
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| 18:17.07 | nadjyla | :o |
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| 18:17.43 | r121 | How many of those default user accounts do I need to keep in my /etc/passwd file? |
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| 18:17.59 | Shadowcat | r121: err don't touch it? |
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| 18:18.24 | r121 | Shadowcat: I was just curious if they all needed to be there |
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| 18:18.40 | abrotman | r121: things expect them to be there .... |
| 18:18.49 | Shadowcat | !ifhtays |
| 18:18.55 | Shadowcat | bah I never get that right |
| 18:19.05 | Shadowcat | !iyhtays |
| 18:19.05 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 18:19.08 | Shadowcat | there |
| 18:19.08 | r121 | Shadowcat: oh, ok... by my /etc/shadow file I would guess they can't be logged into anyway |
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| 18:19.52 | solemnwarning | are there any apps in debian for watching tv on a tv card, and recording to MPEG? |
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| 18:20.33 | quitte | solemnwarning: marillat has mythtv. it's a bit more than what you asked for,though |
| 18:20.38 | Arnald | I can't get amavis-stats to work. The install went smoothly, but when I go to http://localhost/amavis-stats/ I get the mozilla dialogue: the file "" is of type x-httpd-php and mozilla does not know how to handle this mime-type, etc, etc, etc. How can I solve this? |
| 18:20.41 | solemnwarning | i just tried that |
| 18:20.49 | quitte | solemnwarning: and? |
| 18:20.57 | solemnwarning | no sound, and i cant get it to record |
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| 18:21.06 | solemnwarning | is there anything else? |
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| 18:21.55 | Storkme | is there any way to synchronize a directory with an ubuntu machine.. so if any files are changed on this machine it updates them on the other? |
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| 18:22.29 | bbrazil | Storkme: rsync |
| 18:22.32 | maheem | Arnald:did you change apache config? |
| 18:22.32 | resiak | You could use NFS or some other network share-like system |
| 18:22.45 | resiak | You'd have to manually sync things with rsync |
| 18:23.14 | Arnald | maheem: I tried uncommenting some php4 lines in httpd.conf, but only after getting the error, and it didn't change anything anyway |
| 18:23.22 | Storkme | bbrazil, can you explain what it does and how it works please? |
| 18:23.35 | Arnald | I just installed, and told debconf to set up apache for me |
| 18:23.41 | axadhus | Storkme: man rsync |
| 18:23.45 | positron | How do I change to other ttys while logged in via remote console? |
| 18:23.52 | Storkme | axadhus, thanks, that's really useful |
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| 18:23.57 | resiak | positron: You don't |
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| 18:24.09 | resiak | positron: Try GNU screen for something similar, though |
| 18:24.23 | maheem | Arnald: you need #include directive in http.conf from amavised |
| 18:24.28 | positron | resiak: you sure that its not possible at all? |
| 18:24.38 | Arnald | maheem: is that documented anywhere? |
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| 18:24.43 | bbrazil | positron: chvt maybe |
| 18:24.45 | resiak | positron: Oh, maybe you don't mean ssh by remote console. Sorry :) |
| 18:24.48 | positron | resiak: via some command? |
| 18:24.58 | Storkme | bbrazil, is it possible to leave rsync running as a background process? |
| 18:25.06 | gnufan | Storkme: yes |
| 18:25.09 | maheem | Arnald: /usr/share/doc/amavisd |
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| 18:25.14 | Storkme | awesome |
| 18:25.14 | resiak | positron: are you talking about ssh or something else? |
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| 18:25.33 | maheem | Arnald: /usr/share/doc/amavis-stats |
| 18:25.41 | gnufan | Storkme: I use rsync to copy my webserver stuff to my home desktop, so I can run the backups this end. |
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| 18:26.11 | Arnald | maheem: can't see it |
| 18:26.12 | maheem | Arnald: usually i use grep in find |
| 18:26.13 | Storkme | gnufan, what i want to do is keep the same music collection on two computers at once |
| 18:26.17 | positron | resiak: im logget to a server via ssh and i want to use the servers other tty:s. |
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| 18:26.28 | resiak | positron: You're not _using_ a vt if you're over ssh... |
| 18:26.32 | Storkme | gnufan, so when i download some new songs on my laptop, they're sent to the other computer |
| 18:26.51 | gnufan | Storkme: rsync will do that nicely. |
| 18:26.58 | Arnald | maheem: what file? |
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| 18:27.05 | Storkme | gnufan, oh, awesome. i was just about to make a program to do it for me, haha |
| 18:27.10 | maheem | Arnald: find /usr |
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| 18:27.20 | maheem | Arnald: find /usr | grep amavis |
| 18:27.25 | Arnald | yes, I know where usr is |
| 18:27.29 | positron | resiak: well how do i see whats going on in tty 7? |
| 18:27.40 | positron | resiak: my logs are echoed there |
| 18:27.51 | Arnald | I did dpkg -L amavis-stats and looked at the only documentation file there |
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| 18:28.06 | Arnald | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:28.38 | Arnald | it tells you all how to compile the package |
| 18:29.26 | Arnald | it says nothing about "you need #include directive in http.conf from amavised" |
| 18:29.30 | maheem | Arnald: see, please in /etc/amavis-stat... now i'm not in debian :( |
| 18:29.37 | Arnald | which I don't really understand |
| 18:29.59 | Arnald | ????? |
| 18:30.05 | maheem | Arnald: apache or apache2? |
| 18:30.11 | Arnald | apache |
| 18:30.20 | maheem | aaaaa.... |
| 18:30.44 | Arnald | I could do apache2, but I don't know what other packages are only set up for apache 1.3 . . |
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| 18:30.56 | Arnald | it's a bit fo a mess, really |
| 18:31.12 | Arnald | some packages prefer one to the other |
| 18:31.27 | Arnald | maheem: is there a problem with apache 1 |
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| 18:31.53 | Arnald | anyway, I thought apt-get was supposed to do this sort of stuff |
| 18:32.12 | Arnald | or at least tell you that is isn't going to |
| 18:32.40 | maheem | Arnald: no. in /etc/amavis-stats/apache.conf. did you see it? |
| 18:32.53 | Arnald | maheem: do you mean 'cat /etc/amavis-stats/apache.conf > /etc/apache/httpd/conf' ? |
| 18:33.10 | lightcap | why is it that when I ssh into my box I get assigned a /dev/pts device that is owned by the user ssh'ing in, but if i try to su to another user I can't use that pts? screen is failing as a result... |
| 18:33.11 | maheem | yes |
| 18:33.12 | Arnald | >> even ;) |
| 18:33.19 | Arnald | ah, thanks! |
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| 18:33.40 | maheem | precisly |
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| 18:34.05 | Arnald | maheem: thank you, I wonder why apt-get doesn't do that |
| 18:34.28 | Arnald | seems a bit unusual |
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| 18:34.48 | Arnald | why go to the trouble of generating the config, then not applying it? |
| 18:34.58 | maheem | Arnald: it gives you chance working by hand :) |
| 18:35.03 | _joey | does anyone know where to find python2.4-twisted(v1.3) debian package? |
| 18:35.19 | Arnald | maheem: well you could just use LFS if you want that! ;) |
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| 18:35.59 | maheem | Arnald: what is LFS? |
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| 18:36.30 | abrotman | !lfs |
| 18:36.30 | dpkg | hmm... lfs is large file support -- http://www.suse.de/~aj/linux_lfs.html, or ask me about linux from scratch |
| 18:36.35 | abrotman | !linux from scratch |
| 18:36.36 | dpkg | rumour has it, linux from scratch is uber cool, http://www.linuxfromscratch.org |
| 18:36.49 | gnufan | _joey: ? Its in unstable for one. |
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| 18:37.04 | _joey | gnufan could find the url link please |
| 18:37.08 | _joey | :) |
| 18:37.12 | Arnald | maheem: Linux From Scratch http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ |
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| 18:37.25 | absolutzero | greets me again |
| 18:37.33 | maheem | thanx :) |
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| 18:37.43 | shutdown | [[_MaX_]]: hi |
| 18:37.45 | shutdown | PIEAOPIOAAIOP |
| 18:37.46 | [[_MaX_]] | hi |
| 18:37.46 | Arnald | maheem: httpd.conf already contains the line: Include /etc/amavis-stats/apache.conf |
| 18:37.55 | [[_MaX_]] | how are you?? |
| 18:37.55 | dpkg | [[_MaX_]]: peachy |
| 18:37.59 | Arnald | so I think I don't want to add it again |
| 18:38.04 | absolutzero | I am wanting to know the command to get output from the postfix log as it attempts to send mail |
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| 18:38.12 | maheem | of course |
| 18:38.22 | shutdown | [[_MaX_]]: dae mano vamo falar com o ChanServ |
| 18:38.23 | shutdown | ueaiaeui |
| 18:38.29 | [[_MaX_]] | oawkeoaeoawk =~ ..setecentos e vinte e quatro! |
| 18:38.30 | abrotman | shutdown: wrong channel |
| 18:38.31 | abrotman | !br |
| 18:38.31 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 18:38.44 | Arnald | maheem: it didn't work anyway - surprise |
| 18:38.52 | shutdown | só mano |
| 18:38.56 | lightcap | I don't recall ever having issues with permissions on pts before... |
| 18:38.57 | shutdown | não vo incomodar mais |
| 18:38.58 | abrotman | !tell shutdown about br |
| 18:38.59 | shutdown | so na morga |
| 18:39.15 | shutdown | tome no cú |
| 18:39.16 | shutdown | ueiuioae |
| 18:39.20 | nadjyla | shutdown, english please |
| 18:39.27 | gnufan | _joey: url ? Like it is in unstable - follow the advice in the Debian reference for how to get it into your versions of Debian. Your new around here aren't you? |
| 18:39.29 | shutdown | ok |
| 18:39.33 | shutdown | !help |
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| 18:39.57 | maheem | Arnald: ptt.mgn.chel.su/amavis-stats/ try it it's my |
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| 18:40.08 | shutdown | glamurosa rainha do funk |
| 18:40.12 | shutdown | poderosa olhar de diamante |
| 18:40.19 | abrotman | shutdown: speak in english .. |
| 18:40.27 | Ronin | amazing how they just cant grasp the simple fact of its an english channel :) |
| 18:40.30 | Arnald | maheem: works fine! |
| 18:40.33 | shutdown | abrotman: no |
| 18:40.37 | abrotman | he's trolling i'm pretty sure .. with his damn bot |
| 18:40.44 | abrotman | shutdown: yes .. speak english |
| 18:41.08 | Ronin | abrotman: another troll is most likely right |
| 18:41.10 | shutdown | abrotman: no no no |
| 18:41.16 | abrotman | why not? |
| 18:41.30 | Arnald | I don't get it |
| 18:41.30 | shutdown | not |
| 18:41.49 | maheem | Arnald: i don't use it now... therefore it's empty |
| 18:41.51 | shutdown | what program download from ircop ? |
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| 18:42.14 | CoolCubix | does someone know about charset problems with LAMP installation ? |
| 18:42.15 | Arnald | maheem: yours works, mine doesn't, so it isn't the browser |
| 18:42.39 | gnufan | CoolCubix: can you be more specifc? |
| 18:42.42 | Arnald | I just installed it, answered a debconf question, and nothing :( |
| 18:43.09 | CoolCubix | uhhh i forgot this is an english channel |
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| 18:43.19 | CoolCubix | i'm french and i get problems with charset |
| 18:43.29 | abrotman | CoolCubix: did you generate french locales ? |
| 18:43.36 | CoolCubix | pv me if you want the URL |
| 18:43.40 | maheem | Arnald: give some more string about your browser message |
| 18:43.46 | CoolCubix | abrotman> i think, yes |
| 18:44.01 | PerfDave | !fr |
| 18:44.01 | dpkg | well, fr is Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debianfr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debianfr |
| 18:44.15 | Arnald | maheem: 'the file "" is of type x-httpd-php and mozilla does not know how to handle this mime-type' |
| 18:44.38 | CoolCubix | french channel is sleepier than a dead duck |
| 18:44.44 | nadjyla | CoolCubix, be carefull the user petitlouis on channel fr ;) |
| 18:45.03 | CoolCubix | okey i join fr ^^ |
| 18:45.06 | maheem | Arnald: uncomment strings about .php in http.conf |
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| 18:45.24 | Arnald | do you need more? this file is located at http://localhost - etc |
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| 18:45.35 | PerfDave | CoolCubix: YOu can use #debian if you speak English, I just felt that #debianfr might be easier for you. |
| 18:46.01 | CoolCubix | english isn't a problem |
| 18:46.01 | Overand | All SCP transfers to this one box I have are really slow, capping at around 50k/sec incoming (to said box) and maybe 100k/sec outgoing (from said box), on my LAN. Everything else moves fast, samba, HTTP, etc |
| 18:46.06 | Arnald | maheem: no difference - I tried before |
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| 18:46.25 | CoolCubix | but i don't think lot of people use éà or this kind of accents |
| 18:46.48 | Overand | I've done SCP from other debian machines, a windows machine with WinSCP, and right now from a knoppix machine. On the client I've even specified a high -l and it's still chugging along at 50k/sec on my LAN, and both machines have less than 1% CPU utilization |
| 18:46.58 | nadjyla | CoolCubix, on xchat, /charset. On debian, dpkg-reconfigure loacale and locale-gen |
| 18:47.01 | CoolCubix | anyway #debianfr makes 1message/3min |
| 18:47.20 | CoolCubix | my charset problem isn't on the desktop |
| 18:47.26 | CoolCubix | ok ok i explain |
| 18:47.29 | nadjyla | is where? |
| 18:47.29 | PerfDave | Overand: Is there any other network traffic? Use iftop. |
| 18:47.40 | CoolCubix | i have a PHP/Mysql apache server |
| 18:47.51 | CoolCubix | i have stored articles in my DB |
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| 18:48.00 | CoolCubix | theses articles contain accents |
| 18:48.15 | Overand | PerfDave: nothing past a few hundred K a second tops |
| 18:48.25 | CoolCubix | all is configured as UTF-8 |
| 18:48.25 | CoolCubix | and i don't know why |
| 18:48.27 | Overand | PerfDave: this is a small, small network |
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| 18:48.45 | CoolCubix | but there's somewhere rending in ISO-8859-1 where i want it UTF-8 |
| 18:49.09 | CoolCubix | in fact |
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| 18:49.15 | Overand | PerfDave: that machine is pushing 25 kilobits up, 400 kilobits down |
| 18:49.17 | CoolCubix | in opera when i look at my page |
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| 18:49.27 | MyWay | hi all |
| 18:49.29 | CoolCubix | there are <?> characters instead of accents |
| 18:49.47 | CoolCubix | and they disappear when i select ISO-8859-1 encoding on the browser |
| 18:49.54 | gnufan | !tell CoolCubix about enter |
| 18:49.56 | Arnald | hmm, just tried purging & reinstallingt - the purge failed!!! |
| 18:50.03 | satans_ny | how do i change the options which comes up when running 'set' ? |
| 18:50.04 | MyWay | i need do ifconfig eth0 and the ip, all the time i boot my PC, how can i do? |
| 18:50.11 | Eulex | CoolCubix, where does this happen? on the server? on a client that connects to the server? |
| 18:50.17 | Overand | MyWay: edit /etc/networking/interfaces |
| 18:50.21 | satans_ny | MyWay: try dhclient eth0 :) |
| 18:50.42 | gnufan | CoolCubix: How are you seeing these "??" in a browser? Do you have "AddDefaultCharset UTF-8" is the apache2.conf file? |
| 18:50.48 | Arnald | So now I can't install it, nor can I purge it |
| 18:50.51 | CoolCubix | Eulex> on the browser |
| 18:50.53 | CoolCubix | gnufan> yes |
| 18:50.57 | Arnald | Great |
| 18:50.58 | CoolCubix | gnufan> and restarted apache |
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| 18:51.08 | Eulex | CoolCubix, you still didn't answer my question. is this in the client? |
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| 18:51.31 | Arnald | Undefined argument in option spec |
| 18:51.44 | maheem | Arnald: apt-get --fix-broken |
| 18:52.13 | gnufan | CoolCubix: what is the character set the pages are served with? i.e. is something overriding the default? |
| 18:52.35 | maheem | Arnald: apt-get --fix-broken install amavis-stat |
| 18:52.59 | CoolCubix | gnufan> do you want the url ? |
| 18:53.10 | gnufan | CoolCubix: okay |
| 18:53.28 | Arnald | maheem: it's not broken when it installs - only when I purge it |
| 18:53.32 | MyWay | satans_ny: how it works? |
| 18:53.32 | MyWay | Overand: ok, how can i modify it? |
| 18:53.40 | macsim | hi, I'm on a pppoa internet provider, what I need to made my sagem 908 modem working ? |
| 18:53.52 | maheem | Arnald: try reinstall |
| 18:53.54 | Arnald | ii amavis-stats 0.1.12-7 Virus statistics RRDtool frontend for Amavis |
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| 18:54.11 | Overand | MyWay: at this point i would suggest hitting google. use an editor (such as nano, or kwrite) and edit the file. make sure you have permissions |
| 18:54.11 | Arnald | maheem: that's why I'm trying to purge it |
| 18:54.12 | absolutzero | quit |
| 18:54.16 | Arnald | but I can't |
| 18:54.45 | maheem | Arnald: apt-remove don't work to? |
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| 18:55.25 | Arnald | yes, removing works, but it's the config that I don't trust |
| 18:56.02 | CoolCubix | gnufan> an idea ? |
| 18:56.16 | Arnald | I can install and remove, but not purge |
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| 18:56.50 | maheem | Arnald: dpkg-reconfigure amavis-stats |
| 18:56.50 | gnufan | CoolCubix: though you were sending me URL? |
| 18:56.50 | satans_ny | MyWay: run a ipsniffer and you'll see how dhclient works |
| 18:56.50 | Arnald | and installing & removing doesn't fix the problem |
| 18:57.19 | CoolCubix | gnufan> sorry i didn't catch the msg saying pv are blocked |
| 18:57.26 | Arnald | maheem: that was the first thing I tried - no luck |
| 18:57.45 | CoolCubix | hmmm |
| 18:57.56 | maheem | hmm.... try to use apache2, maybe |
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| 18:58.44 | bipolar | does anyone have a favorate howto for setting up ldap replication under debian? |
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| 18:58.55 | CoolCubix | gnufan> i'm gonna register |
| 18:58.59 | CoolCubix | back in 3mins |
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| 18:59.11 | Arnald | maheem: yes, I just hope it doesn't break anything I already have on 1.3 - thanks for trying anyway! |
| 18:59.33 | Arnald | appreciated |
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| 18:59.48 | yassine | hi all |
| 18:59.51 | CoolCubix | gnufan> ok, sorry ^^ |
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| 19:00.57 | abrotman | bipolar: rsync ? :) |
| 19:01.05 | abrotman | bipolar: honestly .. i'd ask #ldap |
| 19:01.53 | bipolar | abrotman: I was hoping for a debian specific howto. can't seem to find it.... :\ |
| 19:01.54 | shutdown | ow shit suck my dick fuck off |
| 19:02.02 | bipolar | 0.o |
| 19:02.16 | PerfDave | shutdown: Buy me a few drinks and we'll see. |
| 19:02.21 | bipolar | lol |
| 19:02.28 | Ronin | funnyhow they always know the swear words |
| 19:02.34 | shutdown | \o\ |
| 19:02.47 | maheem | Arnald: can i try connect your statistic? |
| 19:02.52 | bipolar | Ronin: most 12 year olds do |
| 19:03.04 | shutdown | fuck it all |
| 19:03.12 | abrotman | good . leave |
| 19:03.20 | Ronin | bipolar: true but even a 12 year old can tell this is an english channel and go to the correct one |
| 19:03.25 | PerfDave | shutdown: Do you actually have a Debian-related question to ask? |
| 19:03.32 | shutdown | ã? |
| 19:03.46 | nadjyla | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:03.47 | bipolar | Ronin: nod |
| 19:03.57 | shutdown | what ? |
| 19:04.05 | gnufan | CoolCubix: validation says the characters aren't from UTF-8 :( |
| 19:04.13 | CoolCubix | gnufan> is it ok ? anyway an user on #debianfr is asking me to switch the AddDefaultCharset apache directive with ISO-8859 |
| 19:04.25 | shutdown | _|_ |
| 19:04.26 | CoolCubix | gnufan> yes, there is the probleme i wanna solve :/ |
| 19:05.24 | shutdown | suckem my dick fuckem off |
| 19:05.28 | gnufan | CoolCubix: aparently it is valid iso8859-1 |
| 19:05.32 | abrotman | !ops shutdown trolling |
| 19:05.32 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: shutdown trolling |
| 19:05.51 | *** mode/#debian [+o helix] by ChanServ |
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| 19:06.02 | Ronin | heh |
| 19:06.12 | nadjyla | lol |
| 19:06.14 | helix | hmph |
| 19:06.16 | PerfDave | Wow, helix didn't even need to kick ;) |
| 19:06.17 | *** mode/#debian [-o helix] by helix |
| 19:06.19 | nadjyla | too late |
| 19:06.21 | Overand | how unsatisfying for helix |
| 19:06.22 | Ronin | funny how they understood that command |
| 19:06.22 | PerfDave | helix: Do you feel frustrated now? |
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| 19:06.30 | helix | it was totally unsatisfying |
| 19:06.37 | Overand | helix: you can kick me if it would make you feel better |
| 19:06.39 | helix | but the end result is what matters |
| 19:06.40 | Phated | Kick me. |
| 19:06.42 | Overand | i don't even have autorejoin on. |
| 19:06.48 | helix | Overand: thank you, you are very kind |
| 19:06.56 | helix | but that will be unnecessary :) |
| 19:07.15 | Overand | wait i can even make it better HEY I HAVE AN UBUNTU/KNOPPIX/RED HAT QUESTION. =] |
| 19:07.38 | azeem | wow, I am sooo tired |
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| 19:07.52 | helix | azeem: sup! |
| 19:07.57 | bipolar | would be nice if dpkg were channel op... then he could have a list of people who could have him kick others... hmmm... did that make any sence? |
| 19:08.01 | azeem | first I didn't get shutdown was actually a nick and not a requested action, and then I read Overfiend instead of Overand |
| 19:08.06 | helix | heh |
| 19:08.26 | Overand | yeah, Overfiend and I have a long-standing rivalry... er. not. |
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| 19:08.49 | jvw | azeem: hey dude, didn't break anything today :)? |
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| 19:08.58 | PerfDave | Ah, Overand is trying to get Overfiend kicked by a mistabcompleting op ;) |
| 19:09.05 | Overand | haha, no. |
| 19:09.25 | Overand | Overand *is* my actual nick, and I'm not *that* clever. |
| 19:09.36 | azeem | jvw: nah |
| 19:10.14 | vin` | Overand: out? |
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| 19:11.43 | Overand | vin`: nope. |
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| 19:17.28 | ski | if i've downloaded a *.deb file, how do i (do i ?) tell /etc/apt/sources.list to find it (so i can see dependencies, etc) ? |
| 19:17.46 | nadjyla | dpkg -i ski |
| 19:17.47 | Eclipser | dpkg -i |
| 19:18.06 | azeem | ski: don't download .debs, use apt-get |
| 19:18.09 | ski | i believe that tries to install the package, yes ? |
| 19:18.13 | Eclipser | yes :) |
| 19:18.14 | dannyp | ski: hmm |
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| 19:18.42 | ski | i just want to look at dependencies (interactively) (in e.g. aptitude) |
| 19:18.45 | dannyp | ski: I'll be direct --- have we met? (I know someone who uses that nick on another network) |
| 19:18.54 | fausto | hi guys.. |
| 19:19.01 | bjb | ski, you can use the -d (--download-only) option |
| 19:19.03 | fausto | i have installed samba on my debian sarge |
| 19:19.07 | azeem | ski: you can do dpkg -I foo.deb | grep Depends |
| 19:19.14 | fausto | but when i mount the volume on another machine |
| 19:19.17 | ski | azeem : this one is not available at a central repo (that i know of) |
| 19:19.20 | fausto | i can't' write.. |
| 19:19.22 | bjb | ski, you can use the -d (--download-only) option to apt-get |
| 19:19.34 | azeem | ski: you cannot inject .debs to the APT database without adding a repo |
| 19:20.00 | ski | azeem : can i make a repo on local filesystem ? is this complicated ? |
| 19:20.08 | nadjyla | yes complicated |
| 19:20.17 | azeem | ski: I am not sure what you are really trying to solve here |
| 19:20.30 | ski | dannyp : not that i know of (e.g. my nick has nothing to do with snow) |
| 19:20.30 | azeem | you want to know information about a .deb without installing it? |
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| 19:20.54 | dannyp | ski: hah, it didn't for him, either. polish last name, ski was the last 3 letters of it |
| 19:21.08 | dannyp | but I suppose more than one person could come to that nick from the same thought process |
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| 19:21.18 | ski | dannyp : well, in my case, it's an abbreviation, of sorts |
| 19:21.44 | ski | (dannyp : i.e. not related to slavic surnames either) |
| 19:22.12 | ski | azeem : yes, i think it requires installing other packages and possibly upgrade some, and i'd like to inspect this |
| 19:22.12 | dannyp | ski: anyhow, it's really a moot point now, because it's clear we don't know each other. if we did, you would have recognized my handle immediately ;) |
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| 19:22.35 | azeem | ski: dpkg -I then |
| 19:22.39 | ski | azeem : possibly there's better ways to do what i want (i'm quite new to debian) |
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| 19:23.08 | ski | (dannyp :) |
| 19:23.13 | azeem | ski: if you want to act on single .debs which are not parts of APT repositories, you will have to revert to dpkg |
| 19:23.15 | azeem | W 18 |
| 19:23.18 | azeem | blah |
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| 19:24.05 | ski | azeem : ok, ty fyi |
| 19:24.34 | Tortel | what is a good lightweight FTP daemon that supports transfers from private IPs? |
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| 19:25.21 | vin` | Tortel: why not scp? |
| 19:25.26 | Tortel | scp? |
| 19:25.51 | PerfDave | Tortel: Secure copy, over SSH. If you're running an SSH server, you can use it without any additional configuration. See also, SFTP. |
| 19:25.54 | doleyb | Tortel: ftp is considered dangerously obselete, scp is better. |
| 19:26.04 | Supaplex | after a scsi i/o error, how long will it take before it resumes? scsi0: ERROR on channel 0 I don't care so much the media is bad. I'm trying to format a jaz disk with known bad sectors... is the card/driver at all to blame for the excessive wait? (I think I'm going on 15min now) SCSI storage controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic 53c810 |
| 19:26.08 | Tortel | well, I need to trasfer files between windows and this computer |
| 19:26.13 | PerfDave | Tortel: WinSCP |
| 19:26.20 | lightcap | is it possible to take an exisiting drive and make it part of a raid array? I just added a second drive to a hosted box and would like to add some redundancy |
| 19:26.23 | doleyb | Tortel: for windows. you can easily download winscp*.exe, a 500k program |
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| 19:27.04 | Supaplex | Tortel: or install the full putty suite. maybe a mb or two. |
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| 19:28.12 | doleyb | Is it advisable to run alsaconf in debian? |
| 19:28.27 | vin` | go ahead. |
| 19:28.44 | nadjyla | doleyb, yeah |
| 19:28.49 | doleyb | vin`: well, I am wondering because alsaconf's settings don't "stick". They enable sound card once, but not on reboot. |
| 19:29.27 | vin` | doleyb: it should stick. |
| 19:29.37 | doleyb | Every time I boot, it is using motherboard audio. alsaconf can change it to the pci card, but only transiently. |
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| 19:31.49 | vin` | doleyb: maybe blacklist the unwanted one. |
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| 19:32.14 | doleyb | vin`: which means "no, don't use alsaconf" |
| 19:32.47 | Tortel | doleyb, what do I need to use scp? |
| 19:32.51 | Tortel | just ssh? |
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| 19:33.10 | Supaplex | Tortel: server or client side? what platform? |
| 19:33.11 | doleyb | Tortel: in a normal install, you will have ssh server running already, it will just work. |
| 19:33.25 | Tortel | on server side |
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| 19:33.36 | doleyb | Tortel: first check you can "ssh localhost" or "sftp localhost" |
| 19:35.11 | Tortel | doleyb, they both work |
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| 19:35.50 | doleyb | Tortel: so then go to your remote box and either "sftp server" or "winscp3 server", depending on the os |
| 19:36.26 | Tortel | doleyb, I got it to work, thank you |
| 19:36.27 | Tortel | :) |
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| 19:37.36 | Paladi | hi ;) |
| 19:37.55 | nadjyla | hello |
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| 19:40.51 | dwarf | question: how can I allow a non-root user to use shutdown / reboot ? |
| 19:41.02 | asg | dwarf: sudo |
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| 19:41.45 | lightcap | how do I know if I'm running a kernel with initrd? |
| 19:41.56 | doleyb | dwarf: tell her to push control-alt-f1, then control-alt-delete |
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| 19:42.34 | asg | lightcap: look at your bootloader and see if the stanza that started the currently running kernel included a line for an initrd. |
| 19:43.06 | lightcap | asg: I know lilo pretty well, but this box uses grub... |
| 19:43.12 | kristalino | can we use autopackage with debian ? |
| 19:43.23 | dwarf | doleyb: it should make the command available |
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| 19:43.41 | asg | lightcap: then the config would have an 'initrd ...' line under the 'kernel ...' line in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 19:43.47 | Virtual | what chmod should I set to /etc/passwd so it would work perfectly fine but the users on the system won't be able to read it ? |
| 19:43.51 | lightcap | asg: thanks |
| 19:44.07 | asg | Virtual: they have to be able to read /etc/passwd, that's why /etc/shadow was invented. |
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| 19:46.34 | householdobject | I have a little dependency question: I compiled the 2.4 version of evolution for sarge (it was an involved process) and installed it with dpkg, no problem. But now when I try to do a dist-upgrade, I have a problem: `evolution: Depends: gconf2 (>= 2.10.1-2) but 2.8.1-6 is installed'. I don't know what this means, but evolution is aleady installed and I want apt to ignore it. Is there an easy way to do that? Is that the right |
| 19:46.55 | asg | householdobject: /msg dpkg hold |
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| 19:49.28 | PerfDave | householdobject: If you've compiled something, use equivs to tell apt that you have it installed. |
| 19:50.04 | householdobject | PerfDave: why wouldn't apt already know its installed? |
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| 19:51.14 | asg | householdobject: it does, the dependancies in your package conflict with those available in sarge. |
| 19:51.16 | nadjyla | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:51.25 | householdobject | asg: setting evolution to `hold' didn't help. Is that what you were suggesting? |
| 19:52.08 | asg | householdobject: yes, that should have prevented apt from updating it. If not, then use equivs as PerfDave suggested or fix the dependancies for your custom .deb. |
| 19:52.32 | householdobject | asg: how do I edit the deps in my .deb? |
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| 19:52.48 | asg | householdobject: erm, in the debian/rules file you used to generate the deb in the first place. |
| 19:52.55 | asg | householdobject: /msg dpkg mg (for a brief tutorial) |
| 19:53.06 | dwarf | asg: does sudo still require a password, or can I just type "reboot" in the console? |
| 19:53.47 | doleyb | dwarf: sudo is a way for root to list commands users should be able to run, needing only their own password (if that) |
| 19:53.47 | asg | dwarf: it can be configured to not require one. However, you still need to type 'sudo reboot'. If that is too much for your users to remember, use a shell alias. |
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| 19:54.12 | asg | doleyb: erm, no |
| 19:54.16 | PerfDave | householdobject: Because you have compiled it, rather than installing a Debian package. |
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| 19:54.37 | PerfDave | householdobject: Also, if you hand-compile stuff, then you should do so into /usr/local to keep it out of the way of real Debian packages. |
| 19:54.48 | asg | PerfDave: \m/ |
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| 19:54.52 | nadjyla | delete package if you compil |
| 19:55.20 | blondie | hmm what does this mean: Could not find mkinitramfs-kpkg mkinitrd.yaird. at /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/preinst line 236, <STDIN> line 9. |
| 19:55.26 | dwarf | asg: ok, then that's what I need. It's not important how complicated the command is, because I just want to add it to my blackbox menu.... |
| 19:55.32 | spindley | anyone know of a way to ip alias using dhcp? |
| 19:55.42 | householdobject | PerfDave: I always using dpkg-buildpackage to compile |
| 19:55.42 | spindley | dhclient seems to crap out |
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| 19:56.02 | PerfDave | householdobject: So you've compiled the source to a .deb and installed that .deb? |
| 19:56.06 | asg | blondie: check the bts for the package that is failing |
| 19:56.14 | householdobject | PerfDave: yes |
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| 19:56.40 | PerfDave | householdobject: Sorry, I misread your original question. |
| 19:56.47 | asg | dwarf: beware though, if you require them to enter their password, the menu command will have no way to ask them for it. You need to use the 'NOPASSWD' oper to get that. |
| 19:56.59 | PerfDave | householdobject: In that case, you need to pin / hold the evolution package at the version you've installed. |
| 19:57.14 | littlejohn | is it possible to add a timeout to failed ssh connections ? (via PAM or other mechanisms) |
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| 19:57.16 | dwarf | asg: yes, that's why I'm asking |
| 19:57.27 | asg | householdobject: do you happen also to have the original sarge evolution package installed also? |
| 19:57.42 | householdobject | asg: no, it has been replaced |
| 19:57.45 | [aJ] | is there an way to make it so when a program dies it is automatically restarted? |
| 19:57.54 | asg | dwarf: you are safe not requiring a password in this case since the person could always just unplug the box. |
| 19:57.59 | asg | householdobject: okay. |
| 19:58.01 | PerfDave | littlejohn: What do you mean? |
| 19:58.15 | asg | [aJ]: daemontools (there are other non-djbware packages available also) |
| 19:58.36 | [aJ] | asg: is there a .deb available? |
| 19:59.03 | asg | [aJ]: due to licensing issues, djbware cannot be distributed in binary format. However, Debian provides wrapper debs to easily compile the source code. |
| 19:59.05 | littlejohn | PerfDave: I mean that I jave a number of lines in /etc/auth.log which show a rapid succession of tentatives |
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| 19:59.25 | PerfDave | littlejohn: tentatives? |
| 19:59.29 | householdobject | asg: I think I've found the bit I need to edit in the package. Is the a way to prevent dpkg-buildpackage from rebuilding everything the way it does by default? |
| 19:59.29 | sedna | hello |
| 19:59.35 | sedna | hola alguien habla español? |
| 19:59.36 | sedna | juaaa |
| 19:59.38 | PerfDave | !es |
| 19:59.38 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:59.40 | [aJ] | asg: off hand you know the name of the wrapper deb? I can't find one in aptitude name "daemontools" |
| 19:59.49 | blondie | hmm I'm trying to switch from 2.6.15-1-486 to 2.6.15-1-686 and it says Failed to find suitable ramdisk generation tool for kernel version |
| 19:59.50 | nadjyla | PerfDave, =tries |
| 19:59.52 | blondie | 2.6.15-1-686 on running kernel 2.6.15-1-486 in mkinitramfs-kpkg mkinitrd.yaird |
| 19:59.54 | littlejohn | and Solaris 2.5 has a timeout system if you type a wrong passwd he response is given a few seconds later |
| 19:59.56 | asg | [aJ]: daemontools-installer iirc |
| 20:00.09 | [aJ] | asg: thanks |
| 20:00.24 | PerfDave | littlejohn: You want to include a delay for failed logins? Doesn't SSH do that automatically? |
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| 20:00.27 | konfuzed | oh poop , what file system can i use to format a 250GB drive that can be used as a data drive in a dual boot system with XP and debian |
| 20:00.36 | asg | konfuzed: vfat |
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| 20:01.00 | kyncani | blondie: just install linux-image-2.6-686 ? |
| 20:01.07 | konfuzed | uh is vfat fat16 fat32 or something else |
| 20:01.17 | zinx | yes |
| 20:01.18 | asg | konfuzed: vfat is fat32 |
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| 20:01.37 | zinx | vfat is LFN extensions to fat* |
| 20:01.41 | littlejohn | PerfDave: where is the parameter ? I have more than one failed logins in 2 sec intervalle |
| 20:01.43 | nadjyla | and fat work better on linux than on windows lol |
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| 20:01.47 | blondie | kyncani: I can't do that |
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| 20:02.01 | mrwoody | hi *. Is there a way to load modules automatically (e.g. load it when a device is used) |
| 20:02.02 | [aJ] | Where is the package/ directory located? |
| 20:02.04 | kyncani | blondie: why ? |
| 20:02.06 | asg | householdobject: sorry, I don't know if that's possible. Someone else might though. |
| 20:02.08 | quiet | i'm trying to start a tighvncserver session... and I get the following result: |
| 20:02.12 | PerfDave | littlejohn: Not sure. You can also use iptables to block IP addresses which are spamming your SSH port, or just run sshd on a different port. |
| 20:02.20 | quiet | Couldn't start Xtightvnc; trying default font path. |
| 20:02.20 | quiet | Please set correct fontPath in the tightvncserver script. |
| 20:02.20 | quiet | Couldn't start Xtightvnc process. |
| 20:02.25 | PerfDave | mrwoody: Debian should do this automatically. |
| 20:02.33 | householdobject | asg: ok, I'm just impatient. I'll kick it off and wait... |
| 20:02.38 | [aJ] | quitte: set your default font path |
| 20:02.39 | mrwoody | PerfDave: what do you mean automatically? |
| 20:02.49 | asg | PerfDave: he's probably wanting to automount is USB stick when he jobs it in. |
| 20:02.54 | blondie | kyncani: because it says this: http://pastebin.com/596711 |
| 20:02.57 | asg | *his |
| 20:03.04 | PerfDave | mrwoody: I mean automatically, without manual intervention. |
| 20:03.07 | littlejohn | PerfDave: I use /etc/hosts.deny but cjecking /etc/auth.log is not fun |
| 20:03.14 | dooglus | is there a metapackage which depends on all the xfce4 stuff I need to make up a desktop? |
| 20:03.22 | mrwoody | PerfDave: during boot, or when the device is connected? |
| 20:03.27 | PerfDave | mrwoody: Both |
| 20:03.33 | duxbarak | dooglus:xfce4 |
| 20:03.34 | PerfDave | littlejohn: You can automate the process. |
| 20:03.57 | mrwoody | PerfDave: what file shall I look at ? |
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| 20:04.04 | PerfDave | littlejohn: However, simply running sshd on a different port should kill all your spam. |
| 20:04.11 | littlejohn | PerfDave: the problem is that I jave a tiny hard duisk and |
| 20:04.14 | dooglus | duxbarak: thanks. that's the one :) |
| 20:04.15 | PerfDave | mrwoody: What are you trying to achieve? |
| 20:04.21 | aquabat | is there a way to find a list of open local ports? |
| 20:04.28 | asg | aquabat: /msg dpkg open ports |
| 20:04.40 | kyncani | blondie: have yaird installed ? |
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| 20:04.47 | littlejohn | PerfDave: ssh is running on 22 and 447 |
| 20:04.47 | aquabat | great thanks |
| 20:04.59 | mrwoody | PerfDave: at the moment when I connect my usb printer, i don't see that the module is loaded automatically |
| 20:05.01 | konfuzed | i heard 250GIG is too big for fat32 |
| 20:05.02 | blondie | kyncani: I don't even know what it is... and why should I have to install it manually? |
| 20:05.04 | PerfDave | littlejohn: If you stop it running on 22, it will stop many automated login attempts. |
| 20:05.07 | mrwoody | PerfDave: if I do load it, it would work |
| 20:05.10 | PerfDave | mrwoody: Where are you looking? |
| 20:05.12 | duxbarak | dooglus: you probably want a bunch of the goodies too, though, esp volume and such |
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| 20:05.31 | mrwoody | PerfDave: at the moment nowhere |
| 20:05.37 | alex116 | konfuzed Im using a 300gb fat32 drive right now |
| 20:05.44 | nadjyla | tcho |
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| 20:06.01 | konfuzed | so this person who said 250 gig for fat32 was delusional then |
| 20:06.05 | asg | konfuzed: yes |
| 20:06.17 | PerfDave | mrwoody: Check /var/log/messages |
| 20:06.36 | blondie | kyncani: what |
| 20:06.37 | blondie | erm |
| 20:06.38 | PerfDave | mrwoody: You should see the driver being loaded when you connect the printer. |
| 20:06.39 | doleyb | konfuzed: its too big for fat16, of course |
| 20:06.39 | blondie | konfuzed: what |
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| 20:06.43 | kyncani | blondie: well, the kernel needs initramfs-tools or yaird to be installed. One of them should be pulled in automagically by apt. I may be wrong, but maybe if you have both installed, you may get a better chance ? |
| 20:06.44 | CruX| | hi is any software decoder for linux like wincsc ? |
| 20:06.51 | asg | konfuzed: he probably meant the largest file size for fat32, which is 4 GiB |
| 20:07.04 | littlejohn | PerfDave: it is an idea but I am surprised that there is no parametrized delay (Solaris 2.5 was out in 1995) |
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| 20:07.08 | blondie | kyncani: then why doesn't apt install them? |
| 20:07.13 | dooglus | duxbarak: right. |
| 20:07.17 | PerfDave | littlejohn: I think it's a compile-time option. |
| 20:07.21 | householdobject | thank-you #debian |
| 20:07.23 | epsilon | FAT32 can beyoooooooooond xxxGB |
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| 20:07.31 | PerfDave | littlejohn: Look at http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/187 |
| 20:07.33 | kyncani | blondie: it should install one of them. You may try the other |
| 20:07.35 | epsilon | theres just filesize limit of 4GiB |
| 20:07.37 | mykhi | hey, what tool should i use to create backup copy of my videodvd ? |
| 20:08.14 | doleyb | mykhi: personally i'd do mplayer, but that would make an avi backup (without menus) |
| 20:08.17 | duxbarak | can i build a custom debian-based live-cd? |
| 20:08.25 | asg | duxbarak: easily, use bootcd |
| 20:08.34 | alex116 | fat32 can be 2 terrabytes |
| 20:08.35 | PerfDave | duxbarak: Many people have, like Knoppix or Kurumin. |
| 20:08.44 | duxbarak | asg: cool, thanks |
| 20:08.45 | mykhi | doleyb: but i want to burn this dvd on other empty dvd |
| 20:08.49 | asg | duxbarak: you're welcome |
| 20:08.53 | doleyb | duxbarak: you might google "remastering knoppix" |
| 20:09.04 | mykhi | with all menus and stuff |
| 20:09.06 | unstable | Anyone have a good guide for installing fglrx on debian testing?(the guide from /msg dkg ati says it's old and to not use their website) |
| 20:09.27 | doleyb | mykhi: a dvd-formatted backup will have less quality than an avi backup (consider asking #mplayer for tips, in any case) |
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| 20:10.23 | asg | alex116: terrabytes? should you /nic george_w_bush? |
| 20:10.45 | alex116 | asg: http://members.aol.com/don5408/drivespace/part_fat32.html |
| 20:10.53 | sett[away] | i've install phpbb package and it has /etc/phpbb2/apache.conf what is a method of enabling it? |
| 20:10.57 | littlejohn | PerfDave: very good link thanks |
| 20:11.01 | blondie | alex116: it's terabytes not terrabytes |
| 20:11.10 | mykhi | doleyb: huh? the thing is i would like to do perfect copy as it was on main dvd, but there are some copy protections or stuff, and after copying in k3b i cant play it ;/ |
| 20:11.13 | asg | alex116: a joke |
| 20:11.24 | alex116 | blondie: copy paste... |
| 20:11.28 | PerfDave | terrorbytes! |
| 20:11.31 | epsilon | short summary of FAT32 for whoever asked for it: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/154997/EN-US/ |
| 20:11.40 | blondie | kyncani: ok it works fine I after I do "apt-get install initramfs-tools", but I think it's damn insolent that I have to do that :) |
| 20:11.42 | asg | PerfDave: but pronounced terrabytes (if you are the shrub) |
| 20:11.43 | blondie | alex116: what? |
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| 20:12.29 | kyncani | blondie: it may be some bug in yaird, so using initramfs may be a useful workaround. http://wiki.debian.org/InitrdReplacementOptions |
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| 20:12.50 | Eulex | asg, NI! |
| 20:13.03 | asg | Eulex: Neeee wombe! |
| 20:13.20 | asg | !tell Eulex about icky icky icky f'kang |
| 20:13.26 | Eulex | haha |
| 20:13.37 | blondie | fgs doesn't boot with the new kernel |
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| 20:14.08 | Anders | how do I find packages using the dpkg bot? |
| 20:14.16 | blondie | not sure if this CPU is 686 class or not |
| 20:14.17 | Anders | I don't remember how |
| 20:14.25 | asg | Anders: use 'apt-cache search <keywords>' from the command line |
| 20:14.35 | Anders | I'm looking for a file in a package asg |
| 20:14.40 | asg | Anders: /msg dpkg search |
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| 20:14.47 | Eulex | blondie, cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 20:15.01 | blondie | Eulex: yes but I'm not sure what to look for |
| 20:15.03 | Anders | when I use /msg dpkg search the file it doesn't tell me anything |
| 20:15.16 | PerfDave | !tell Anders -about search |
| 20:15.26 | Anders | oh ok |
| 20:15.43 | Anders | but afaik you could do it with the bot too, I did it a couple of months ago |
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| 20:16.16 | Eulex | blondie, that will tell you what processor it has. if you don't know if that processor is 686-class or better, just tell us the name of it. |
| 20:16.42 | blondie | model name : VIA Samuel 2 |
| 20:16.42 | asg | Anders: you can but it's easier to just 'apt-get install apt-file ; apt-file update ; apt-file search path/to/foo' |
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| 20:17.12 | Eulex | blondie, ow. never heard. |
| 20:17.30 | asg | Eulex: at least it didn't return 'Mattel Barbie My First CPU' |
| 20:17.36 | blondie | it's a mini-itx one |
| 20:18.03 | blondie | 533MHz which I was hoping would be 686 |
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| 20:19.32 | blondie | are there no 586 kernels anymore? :| |
| 20:19.37 | dooglus | hey, I just noticed that my laptop doesn't crash if I use the CPU constantly in debian. that's very nice! |
| 20:19.58 | dooglus | in ubuntu I had to control-z my compilations every 5 minutes or so to let the CPU cool down. |
| 20:20.03 | asg | dooglus: I used to have an NT4 box that wouldn't crash so long as you wiggled the mouse |
| 20:20.05 | Eulex | asg, hehe :) |
| 20:20.21 | Eulex | blondie, found this: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/11/msg00288.html -- that is, use the 386 kernel. |
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| 20:20.44 | dooglus | asg: I used to have an NT4 box at work which would crash if you picked up a window by the title bar and shook it violently with the mouse :) |
| 20:21.28 | asg | dooglus: or run xbill |
| 20:21.34 | JordiGH | Ack. My sound used to work. Sort of. I couldn't hear midis or sound from .mov files, but I could hear the cutesy KDE sounds. I tried installing alsa and now all of my sound is gone. :( |
| 20:21.38 | blondie | Eulex: ah well I'm using 486 one - etch doesn't have 386 kernels fwict |
| 20:21.53 | JordiGH | Alsaconf says it can't see my PCI sound card, but lspci says it's right there... |
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| 20:22.16 | Eulex | blondie, ah. didn't know it has changed. |
| 20:22.26 | Eulex | *had |
| 20:22.28 | dooglus | is there some way I can the current CPU speed? I guess debian is slowing the CPU down to stop it overheating |
| 20:22.41 | asg | dooglus: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 20:22.50 | blondie | 486/686/k7 are the options |
| 20:23.11 | JordiGH | I didn't think Debian would mess around with clock speeds. Isn't that a BIOS thing? |
| 20:23.16 | dooglus | asg: is it the "stepping 4" line I'm interested in there? |
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| 20:23.37 | asg | dooglus: no, the 'cpu MHz' line |
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| 20:23.57 | dooglus | JordiGH: all I know is that windows xp, mandrake and debian all let me run my CPU flat out without the laptop crashing, but ubuntu doesn't. |
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| 20:24.29 | dooglus | JordiGH: in ubuntu (5.04, 5.10 and 6.05) the laptop does a hard power-down after 6 minutes of CPU activity |
| 20:24.33 | asg | dooglus: it's probably not engaging the fan |
| 20:24.50 | dooglus | asg: the fan goes crazy in ubuntu |
| 20:24.52 | JordiGH | I thought Ubuntu questions here were discouraged? :P |
| 20:25.00 | asg | dooglus: not crazy enough apparently :) |
| 20:25.05 | dooglus | asg: the fan goes faster and faster until the laptop gives up and powers down |
| 20:25.23 | Eulex | JordiGH, have you ran alsaconf? |
| 20:25.32 | dooglus | asg: no, right, not crazy enough, but it gets *very* loud. that's how I know when it's time to control-z suspend the compilation for a bit... |
| 20:25.36 | JordiGH | Eulex, yes. Alsaconf says it doesn't find my PCI sound card. |
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| 20:25.49 | Eulex | JordiGH, ok. what kernel? what soundcard? |
| 20:26.04 | Eulex | dooglus, umh, that |
| 20:26.07 | JordiGH | Kernel 2.4.27-speakup |
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| 20:26.18 | Gokee2_Laptop | Hey all I am having a problem getting nvidia to work on my desktop with the new kernel I installed (2.6.15-1-k7) I followed the install on the website (http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Libraries) as I have many times before (both on that computer with old kernels and on this laptop) everything went by the book. But I did lsmod and nvidia was not there, so I did modprobe nvidia it says "FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/mo |
| 20:26.18 | Gokee2_Laptop | dules/2.6.15-1-k7/nvidia/nvidia.ko): No such device" I also tried getting ride of all nvidia packeges and redoing install, same thing. Any ideas? Thanks |
| 20:26.19 | JordiGH | Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 20:26.22 | Eulex | dooglus, umh, that's not good at all. get another/a better fan |
| 20:26.37 | dooglus | Eulex: it's a laptop, I don't want to open it up. |
| 20:26.43 | Eulex | JordiGH, for 2.4 kernels you need to install the alsa modules separately |
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| 20:26.51 | dooglus | Eulex: I've used all kinds of kernels |
| 20:27.02 | JordiGH | Eulex, how do I do that? Where's the howto? |
| 20:27.06 | dooglus | Eulex: and like I say, it's fine in debian |
| 20:27.24 | dooglus | Eulex: I've been running the CPU flat out for 15 minutes now, and the fan isn't even going very fast yet. |
| 20:27.29 | Eulex | dooglus, heh, ok. what cpu, btw? |
| 20:27.36 | dooglus | Eulex: intel p4 2.2Ghz |
| 20:28.00 | Eulex | dooglus, ouch. that explains why it can become so hot. |
| 20:28.03 | dooglus | /proc/cpuinfo tells me cpu MHz : 2190.938 |
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| 20:28.32 | PhilKC | Are there and channel/group ops about? I'd like a quick word... |
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| 20:28.50 | PhilKC | Don't worry, it's nor the normal "I've been banned plz unabn me" thing... |
| 20:28.56 | PhilKC | not* |
| 20:29.08 | JordiGH | Eulex? |
| 20:29.13 | Eulex | dooglus, if it happens again and if it has something like speedstep, you may be able to set the frequency of it lower |
| 20:29.38 | pipeline | Gokee2_Laptop: Well, first off, after you install the module package, you have to run the "update-modules" script before trying to use modprobe |
| 20:29.41 | Eulex | JordiGH, they are in the alsa-modules-* packages. |
| 20:29.48 | dooglus | Eulex: what I'm wondering is why it's a problem in ubuntu, but not in mandrake, debian or windows. |
| 20:30.03 | dooglus | Eulex: I guess ubuntu isn't using the speedstep thing, whereas the others are? |
| 20:30.06 | Eulex | dooglus, I have no idea. probably the kernel. |
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| 20:30.21 | dooglus | Eulex: although /proc/cpuinfo doesn't change between when I'm idling and when I'm flat out |
| 20:30.26 | JordiGH | Gokee2: I had good luck following these instructions: http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt |
| 20:30.30 | Eulex | JordiGH, however, there doesn't seem to be alsa modules compiled for the speakup kernel. |
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| 20:30.52 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 20:30.52 | Gokee2_Laptop | pipeline, I used module-assistant. do I still need to do that? *tries it* |
| 20:30.59 | JordiGH | Yikes. Does this mean I need to get a new kernel? |
| 20:31.08 | PerfDave | Gokee2_Laptop: You will have to redo the module-assistant thing to build the nvidia driver for your new kernel. |
| 20:31.09 | ribnitz | How do i install a missing latex package? in debian |
| 20:31.18 | pipeline | Gokee2_Laptop: It won't ever hurt. |
| 20:31.33 | Gokee2_Laptop | PerfDave, I did |
| 20:31.41 | JordiGH | ribnitz: Just unpack the package in /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex (might want to create its own directory) and then run as root mktexlsr |
| 20:31.51 | PerfDave | Gokee2_Laptop: Good :) |
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| 20:32.14 | Gokee2_Laptop | PerfDave, I uven uninstall reinstalled module-assistant plus all the nvidia packages in the install page |
| 20:32.16 | Eulex | JordiGH, maybe. there doesn't seem to be any precompiled image of any 2.6 kernel with speakup in the archives. you could also try compiling alsa manually for your 2.4.27 kernel. |
| 20:32.18 | Gokee2_Laptop | even* |
| 20:32.33 | JordiGH | ribnitz: Assuming you already have the package you want... otherwise, go find it http://www.ctan.org |
| 20:32.40 | PerfDave | Gokee2_Laptop: "install page"? |
| 20:32.56 | ribnitz | JordiGH: agsm option for natbib.. |
| 20:32.57 | Gokee2_Laptop | PerfDave, http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Libraries |
| 20:33.07 | Gokee2_Laptop | the one dpkg gave me |
| 20:33.22 | JordiGH | Eulex: What does "speakup" mean? Just a name? |
| 20:33.23 | PerfDave | Gokee2_Laptop: I wouldn't bother with that, just use the one-liner instead. |
| 20:33.29 | PerfDave | That wiki is shite. |
| 20:33.33 | Gokee2_Laptop | PerfDave, I normally do |
| 20:33.42 | Eulex | JordiGH, I don't know. it has something to do with screen readers. |
| 20:33.43 | Gokee2_Laptop | PerfDave, but after it failed I used the page |
| 20:33.55 | PerfDave | Gokee2_Laptop: Did you do "module-assistant clean" before rebuilding the module? |
| 20:34.13 | Gokee2_Laptop | PerfDave, no... |
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| 20:34.22 | JordiGH | ribnitz: Is that a package name? Get it from CTAN. |
| 20:34.30 | PerfDave | Gokee2_Laptop: Probably sensible. |
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| 20:34.59 | ribnitz | JordiGH: ok. |
| 20:35.03 | JordiGH | http://ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/harvard/ |
| 20:35.58 | Gokee2_Laptop | PerfDave, ok, what all do I need to run though again to redo? can I just do module-assistant clean; m-a prepare; m-a auto-install nvidia ? |
| 20:36.13 | PerfDave | Gokee2_Laptop: That should be all you need to do, while running your new kernel. |
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| 20:36.30 | alex116 | clean install of debian, and using a prebuilt 2.6.8 kernel gives me what type of sound system? |
| 20:36.45 | PerfDave | alex116: ALSA |
| 20:36.48 | Kronoz | alex116: alsa |
| 20:36.49 | JordiGH | Eulex: I still need help. I figure that changing a kernel is going to break more things than those it will fix. Do I just apt-get source somefile and apt-get build-dep for that file? |
| 20:37.36 | JordiGH | (and uncompress, ./config, make, make install?) |
| 20:37.42 | Eulex | JordiGH, well, things seem to become quite more complicated if you need the (speakup) screen reader support. do you need it? |
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| 20:38.06 | JordiGH | Uhm, well, since I don't have sound right now, looks like I don't need that screen reader support. |
| 20:38.11 | JordiGH | And I'm not blind. |
| 20:38.24 | JordiGH | Nor do I have any blind friends who might want to use my computer. |
| 20:38.48 | JordiGH | (Ever seen blind people use a screen reader? It's nifty. I used to have a blind mathematician friend whose specialty was, of all things, fractals.( |
| 20:38.49 | JordiGH | ) |
| 20:38.49 | Eulex | JordiGH, ok. just get a normal kernel then. |
| 20:38.50 | Gokee2_Laptop | PerfDave, I did that but it said "Target package file /usr/src/nvidia-kernel-2.6.15-1-k7_1.0.8178-2+2.6.15-7_i386.deb already exists, not rebuilding!" and "Version 1.0.8178-2+2.6.15-7 of nvidia-kernel-2.6.15-1-k7 already installed, skipping." |
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| 20:39.31 | Gokee2_Laptop | PerfDave, is there a way to force it to rebuilt? or would that not help? |
| 20:39.32 | chealer9 | Gokee2_Laptop: which NVIDIA card do you use? |
| 20:39.42 | Gokee2_Laptop | Gfource 2 |
| 20:39.43 | JordiGH | Hoo, boy... alrighty, then. Getting a new kernel. This is scary shit. Let's hope this thing still boots. |
| 20:39.59 | PerfDave | Gokee2_Laptop: Hang on, what was the kernel you used before? |
| 20:40.43 | Eulex | JordiGH, just apt-get the kernel image you want. if you go for a 2.4.27 kernel, make sure that you get the alsa modules for it too. if you get the 2.6.8 kernel, it includes the alsa modules. btw, as you're already running 2.4.27 (a bit b) |
| 20:40.50 | Gokee2_Laptop | er you do you check what kernels are on your system? |
| 20:41.16 | Eulex | JordiGH, (but a bit patched), running the normal 2.4.27 shouldn't be any problem at all |
| 20:41.20 | chealer9 | Gokee2_Laptop: it's indicated on the wiki |
| 20:41.37 | kookaburra | is sysv-rc-conf a recommended tool for turning off services? |
| 20:41.42 | JordiGH | Eulex, I had a heckuva time getting the nVidia driver to work on this machine... If I change kernel, I'm going to have to get new nVidia drivers. |
| 20:41.53 | asg | kookaburra: it works. Others include rcconf and update-rc.d |
| 20:42.05 | Eulex | JordiGH, yes, that's true |
| 20:42.08 | chealer9 | Gokee2_Laptop: hum, well, just $ dpkg -l *-image-2*; |
| 20:42.13 | Gokee2_Laptop | chealer9, eh? It only says how to find the kernel you are on right now? At least as far as I saw |
| 20:42.39 | Gokee2_Laptop | woo |
| 20:42.47 | Gokee2_Laptop | that spat out a lot of stuff |
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| 20:43.14 | thingfish | or you can look in /boot. |
| 20:43.54 | mw-home | hi -- i'm running deb testing. i'm trying to upgrade a pkg, but I keep getting an error because of something related to e2fsprogs. apparently, that's out of date, but I can't upgrade it. |
| 20:44.03 | JordiGH | So which kernel do I want? |
| 20:44.05 | Gokee2_Laptop | reboot |
| 20:44.16 | chealer9 | Gokee2_Laptop: what does $ lspci -n| head -`lspci|grep -n VGA.*nVidia|cut -d ':' -f1`|tail -1|cut -d ' ' -f3|cut -d ':' -f2; return? |
| 20:44.17 | Gokee2_Laptop | woops wrong window |
| 20:44.31 | Gokee2_Laptop | chealer9, one sec |
| 20:44.35 | Eulex | JordiGH, if you choose to go with the 2.6.8 kernel, I found some nifty .debs of the nvidia driver for it that will probably work: |
| 20:44.37 | Eulex | !nvidia debs |
| 20:44.37 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia debs is try http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/nvidia/APT |
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| 20:45.05 | JordiGH | The 2.6 kernels are less "stable", right? |
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| 20:45.25 | kookaburra | the 2.6 kernel is actually pretty stable. |
| 20:45.33 | PerfDave | !kernel of instability |
| 20:45.33 | dpkg | Linux 2.6. "Andrew's vision, as expressed at the summit, is that the mainline kernel will be the fastest and most feature-rich kernel around, but not, necessarily, the most stable. Final stabilization is to be done by distributors (as happens now, really)..." <http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3513>, or http://kerneltrap.org/node/4793 (new 2.6 numbering scheme - proposal) |
| 20:45.39 | moke1801 | JordiGH: yeah..they were 2 years ago |
| 20:45.57 | PerfDave | The 2.6.8 in Sarge is pretty stable, 2.6.13 and above seem fairly horrendous though. |
| 20:46.13 | Gokee2_Laptop | PerfDave, The other kernels I have had nvidia working on on this computer are: 2.4.27-2-686 2.6.8-1-686 2.6.8-2-686 right now I am trying for 2.6.15-1-k7 |
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| 20:46.52 | PerfDave | Gokee2_Laptop: Well, it looks like module-assistant has build the .deb for nvidia for 2.6.15 already. |
| 20:46.57 | PerfDave | Gokee2_Laptop: Have you installed that .deb? |
| 20:47.05 | JordiGH | kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 20:47.10 | JordiGH | Is that the one I want? |
| 20:47.12 | thingfish | those two things are easy to remove. |
| 20:47.22 | chealer | Gokee2_Laptop: did I miss the output of the command? |
| 20:47.22 | Eulex | JordiGH, well, is it a 686 or better? |
| 20:47.34 | Gokee2_Laptop | PerfDave, installed it? I thought m-a auto-install nvidia did that? |
| 20:47.46 | PerfDave | Gokee2_Laptop: *shrug* Why don't you check whether it's installed or not? |
| 20:47.47 | JordiGH | Uhm, it's not a 486, that's for sure. I think it's a Pentium III or IV or something like that. |
| 20:47.50 | Gokee2_Laptop | chealer, rebooting sorry its about done |
| 20:48.02 | Eulex | JordiGH, ok, then it's ok |
| 20:48.10 | chealer | Gokee2_Laptop: ok, sorry, I left the channel shortly by error |
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| 20:48.37 | Gokee2_Laptop | chealer, it returns 0150 |
| 20:48.42 | thingfish | Gokee2_Laptop: m-a a-i nvidia installs the resulting .deb. |
| 20:48.47 | Gokee2_Laptop | PerfDave, how? |
| 20:48.56 | JordiGH | Hm, why is it going to remove hotplug? |
| 20:49.05 | asg | mbishop: be careful of what you wish for |
| 20:49.11 | mbishop | heh |
| 20:49.16 | thingfish | Gokee2_Laptop: are you simply trying to redo your nvidia install? |
| 20:49.17 | JordiGH | Is there no longer a reason to have hotplug in the 2.6 kernels? Will my usb mouse and drives work? |
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| 20:49.35 | Gokee2_Laptop | thingfish, I am trying to make my nvidia install work |
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| 20:49.45 | Eulex | JordiGH, are you running testing? |
| 20:49.48 | chealer | Gokee2_Laptop: your graphics card is no longer supported by NVIDIA's current drivers. sorry, I was planning to update the wiki today or tomorrow, I'm waiting after Etch d-i beta2 release to do some tests. meanwhile, you need to use the legacy drivers |
| 20:49.56 | JordiGH | testing/unstable, yes. |
| 20:50.11 | Gokee2_Laptop | chealer, :(!!! How do I do that? |
| 20:50.16 | kookaburra | testing? or unstable? they are different |
| 20:50.30 | kookaburra | etch or sid? |
| 20:50.31 | JordiGH | With testing as the preferred distro. If apt doesn't find something in testing, it goes looking in unstable. Octave used to be only in unstable, for example. |
| 20:50.49 | Gokee2_Laptop | chealer, will it be resupported sometime? |
| 20:50.56 | kookaburra | a mixed system then |
| 20:51.08 | JordiGH | I installed sarge a while ago... then I ran dist-upgrade... mixed system, I suppose. |
| 20:51.10 | Eulex | JordiGH, ok. udev replaces hotplug in testing and unstable. |
| 20:51.11 | chealer | Gokee2_Laptop: well, it's very similar to the current procedure. try $ apt-cache search nvidia legacy; and you should see the correspondence between current and legacy packages easily |
| 20:51.26 | JordiGH | Eulex, ah, so I see. Udev is going to be installed. |
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| 20:51.35 | chealer | Gokee2_Laptop: not by the current NVIDIA drivers. only in "legacy" releases |
| 20:51.35 | Eulex | JordiGH, wait a bit |
| 20:51.46 | Gokee2_Laptop | chealer, ok |
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| 20:52.08 | Eulex | JordiGH, I remember something about the new udev in testing and unstable needing a 2.6.12 kernel or newer. I'll go check, I don't remember 100% |
| 20:52.15 | Gokee2_Laptop | chealer, will new legacy drivers continu to be released? |
| 20:53.04 | chealer | Gokee2_Laptop: perhaps, but you should ask #nvidia. NVIDIA uses a confusing terminology |
| 20:53.21 | chealer | I have to go |
| 20:53.23 | PerfDave | Is Gokee2_Laptop not running Stable, or has the Stable nVidia package been updated with 3.1r1? |
| 20:53.35 | aquabat | looking for a PHP specific text editor, anyone use any? |
| 20:53.35 | Gokee2_Laptop | ok bye chealer thanks for your help |
| 20:53.37 | weasel00 | how do i kill an abandoned aptitude process? |
| 20:53.45 | dwarf | aquabat: quanta |
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| 20:54.00 | lightcap | root in grub should point to the root filesystem, right not to /boot ? |
| 20:54.03 | Gokee2_Laptop | PerfDave, I run testing or I might have upgraded to unstable I forgot |
| 20:54.12 | doleyb | weasel: killall aptitude;killall -9 aptitude |
| 20:54.25 | dwarf | aquabat: it has a very nice syntax highlighting :) |
| 20:54.26 | weasel00 | doleyb : thnaks you =) |
| 20:54.31 | loggygreg | lightcap: yes |
| 20:54.34 | positron | My ssh connection freezes. Can anyone help me? |
| 20:54.39 | PerfDave | Gokee2_Laptop: And what nVidia card are you running? |
| 20:54.53 | Gokee2_Laptop | PerfDave, G-Fource 2 |
| 20:54.56 | asg | positron: if you hit ctrl+q, does it unfreeze? |
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| 20:55.12 | Gokee2_Laptop | force* |
| 20:55.13 | PerfDave | Gokee2_Laptop: Fair enough |
| 20:55.28 | PerfDave | Gokee2_Laptop: This is one disadvantage of using non-Free drivers, of course. Shame it's the only way to get decent 3D. |
| 20:55.30 | positron | asg: havent tried. ill wait for the next freeze and try. what that thing? |
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| 20:55.40 | unstable | Here is my xorg.conf my uname -r my dpkg -al|grep -i xorg my dpkg -al|grep -i fglrx, and my Xorg.0.log ... What did I do wrong...why doesn't fglrx work? ... http://pastebin.com/596820 |
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| 20:55.56 | Eulex | JordiGH, ok, everything should be fine if you get a 2.6.12 kernel or newer with the new udev |
| 20:56.01 | Gokee2_Laptop | PerfDave, non-free drivers? |
| 20:56.04 | asg | positron: older functionality. ctrl+s freezes a terminal's IO, ctrl+q resumes it. It is often accidentally hit. |
| 20:56.13 | PerfDave | Gokee2_Laptop: Yes, like nvidia or fglrx |
| 20:56.15 | nix4me | after last weeks updates on my etch install, i now get this when i type su at the terminal:configuration error - unknown item 'FAIL_DELAY' (notify administrator) |
| 20:56.15 | nix4me | , any ideas how I can fix this? |
| 20:56.36 | JordiGH | The following extra packages will be installed: linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 |
| 20:56.37 | kookaburra | non-free as in proprietary. closed source |
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| 20:56.39 | Gokee2_Laptop | PerfDave, Ah I see |
| 20:56.51 | positron | im sure that i have not pressed ctrl+s accidentally |
| 20:56.52 | asg | positron: if that doesn't work and your are ssh'd to a machine via some netgear or linksys router, upgrade the firmware since both of those have been known to cause freezing with ssh sessions. |
| 20:57.03 | JordiGH | Alrighty! |
| 20:57.22 | positron | asg: i have a router called a-link |
| 20:57.48 | JordiGH | Ah, I love the school network during the low-traffic weekends. It blazes (heh) at 30 kb/sec. :) |
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| 20:57.58 | asg | positron: maybe worth looking at changelogs for their firmware also, though I don't know for sure if they are affected. |
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| 20:58.02 | positron | asg: could it be about that my client is 4.1 and server 3.8 version? or what is the TCPKeepAlive and KeepAlive in confs? |
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| 20:58.33 | asg | positron: it's possible though unlikely. |
| 20:58.39 | positron | asg: when the connection freezes, it still remains established on the server side |
| 20:59.15 | Gokee2_Laptop | PerfDave, I am not seeing any nvidia-kernel-common-lagacy is a nvidia-kernel-legacy package what I need? I thought that was a prebuilt thing? |
| 20:59.32 | JordiGH | I can't tell if a 15 meg kernel is huge or tiny. I remember when hard drives were only about 4 megs in size. :P |
| 20:59.42 | asg | JordiGH: that's hughe |
| 20:59.47 | asg | *hugh |
| 21:00.02 | Gokee2_Laptop | huge* :) |
| 21:00.07 | Gokee2_Laptop | bla |
| 21:00.25 | asg | JordiGH: asg@rob:~$ ls -l /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-custom |
| 21:00.26 | asg | -rw-r----- 1 root root 1233411 2006-03-08 13:00 /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-custom |
| 21:00.37 | kookaburra | I had a 450 meg hard drive. was supposed to be huge. and 8 megs of ram. |
| 21:00.41 | JordiGH | use ls -lh, there's a good lad. |
| 21:00.45 | asg | JordiGH: that's a mostly monolithic kernel for a d600 latitude. There are some modules |
| 21:01.04 | mw-home | what's the name of the current testing distro? |
| 21:01.08 | PerfDave | Gokee2_Laptop: I believe that "nvidia-kernel-legacy" is just an old version of "nvidia-kernel-source" which supports older nVidia cards, but don't hold me to that. I don't use testing. |
| 21:01.09 | kookaburra | etch |
| 21:01.10 | asg | JordiGH: there is a lack of resolution with -lh |
| 21:01.12 | PerfDave | mw-home: /msg dpkg nomenclature |
| 21:01.25 | lightcap | loggygreg: and how does grub know which kernel to boot if you have multiple in menu.lst |
| 21:01.32 | JordiGH | Approximation is an art, a science. Approximation is good. :) |
| 21:01.33 | kookaburra | mw-home, etch |
| 21:01.35 | mw-home | thx |
| 21:01.35 | asg | lightcap: it boots the first unless you tell it not to |
| 21:01.41 | lightcap | okay cool. |
| 21:01.50 | Gokee2_Laptop | PerfDave, How do I get a old nvidia-kernel-commen then? |
| 21:01.58 | JordiGH | lightcap: well, in menu.lst you tell it which kernel image to boot. |
| 21:02.01 | PerfDave | Gokee2_Laptop: No idea whether you need one. |
| 21:02.10 | JordiGH | lightcap: you provide the full name of the kernel image to boot. |
| 21:02.12 | lightcap | asg: I'm a bit nervous, trying to setup software raid to boot on an existing install remotely... |
| 21:02.23 | PerfDave | Gokee2_Laptop: http://snapshot.debian.net/ is a place to find old packages |
| 21:02.28 | Gokee2_Laptop | PerfDave, what do I need to build a module for my kernel then? |
| 21:02.36 | asg | lightcap: as you should be. Installing new kernels on remotes is a dicey proposition. |
| 21:02.40 | lightcap | JordiGH: I've got like 5 kernels in there from grub-update |
| 21:02.42 | loggygreg | lightcap: you can choose at boot |
| 21:02.52 | lightcap | asg: it's my only option unfortunately |
| 21:03.07 | mw-home | I think I need to replace the "testing" in my sources.list with sarge, because now that testing is etch, my updates and upgrades are failing |
| 21:03.08 | loggygreg | lightcap: or after a delay it boots the first |
| 21:03.08 | lightcap | would anyone mind doublechecking my settings before I take the plunge :) |
| 21:03.15 | lightcap | loggygreg: cool. |
| 21:03.18 | asg | lightcap: is someone onsite to reboot the box and pick a backup kernel if it fails? |
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| 21:03.39 | asg | !tell solemnwarning about away |
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| 21:04.06 | lightcap | asg: there's a rescue mode I can get to, so yeah. |
| 21:04.17 | asg | lightcap: ah, okay |
| 21:04.22 | JordiGH | I've been using the 2.4.27-speakup kernel for about three or four years. :P |
| 21:04.24 | lightcap | remote rescue or some such |
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| 21:06.14 | JordiGH | ... |
| 21:06.24 | JordiGH | Well, looks like I have a new kernel... |
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| 21:08.06 | JordiGH | ... and stupid configuration script deleted the entry in menu.lst for the Windows partition. Not that I blame it, but my non-free friends using this computer are much too addicted to their proprietary software. |
| 21:08.15 | JordiGH | Thankfully, I made a backup. |
| 21:08.53 | kookaburra | hehehe |
| 21:08.53 | kookaburra | the joy of kernel panics |
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| 21:09.23 | positron | asg: i still think that the problem is in the server. from other servers i get just a nice error message and connection closed when idling too long. it freezes just in my own server. any suggestions on configuration or something? i tried installing ssh-server 4.2 from backports but it didnt work in first go (i wasnt able to connect, connection closed it gave me) |
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| 21:09.41 | petterah | JordiGH, what is 2.4.27-speakup ? |
| 21:10.03 | kookaburra | I was wondering the same thing |
| 21:10.05 | JordiGH | petterah: It was the kernel that came with some version of sarge. I've never touched it until now. |
| 21:10.29 | JordiGH | Looks like the -speakup bit is about some sort of screen reader support... which is ironic right now, since I'm updating kernels because my sound card won't work. |
| 21:10.42 | JordiGH | Anyways, here goes... let's reboot to the new kernel. Let's see how it goes... |
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| 21:10.45 | petterah | ok.. hehe, i have never heard of speakup |
| 21:10.58 | positron | asg: if your not busy then you might want to check this thread which i started some time ago: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=2145760 |
| 21:10.59 | JordiGH | brb (I hope) |
| 21:11.04 | mw-home | in sources.list, is it better to use "testing" or the name of the distro? |
| 21:11.17 | Shadowcat | he won't be back |
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| 21:11.18 | Shadowcat | >:) |
| 21:12.16 | crashbg | how to "blacklist" a module from being loaded the "debian way", without opinions like "rm module" etc. |
| 21:12.24 | Eulex | !blacklist |
| 21:12.24 | dpkg | it has been said that blacklist is Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
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| 21:12.32 | Eulex | mw-home, depends. do you want to run stable when etch becomes stable or do you want to run the testing that will come after etch? |
| 21:13.00 | mw-home | Eulex: the second one |
| 21:13.15 | Shadowcat | you want perpetual testing? |
| 21:13.15 | mw-home | i guess my real question is, how to go from testing sarge, to testing etch? |
| 21:13.16 | Shadowcat | eww |
| 21:13.23 | Eulex | mw-home, ok. then put testing in there. |
| 21:13.40 | Eulex | mw-home, hmm, how old sarge? |
| 21:13.41 | azeem | mw-home: go from testing-sarge to stable-sarge, and from there to testing-etch |
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| 21:14.37 | crashbg | thanks Eulex, i forgot about discover |
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| 21:14.53 | mw-home | azeem: ok, so, i'm trying that. |
| 21:15.20 | Eulex | crashbg, yw :) |
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| 21:16.38 | mw-home | azeem: i replaced testing with sarge, and now i'm updating everything. then i'll replace sarge with etch. |
| 21:16.47 | azeem | sounds fine |
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| 21:16.53 | mw-home | azeem: thx |
| 21:16.53 | Gokee2_Laptop | YES!!!! |
| 21:17.00 | Gokee2_Laptop | nvidia modual loaded! |
| 21:17.11 | azeem | you might want to read the sarge release notes, depending on how outdated your system was compared to sarge stable |
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| 21:20.55 | JordiGH | Well, it booted. |
| 21:21.04 | Juan33 | hi all, i have apache version 1.3.33-6sarge1 and the md5 of /usr/sbin/apachectl is 7af2f1d36e1d31c476d1e1b3ba5e9bb4 |
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| 21:21.12 | JordiGH | 'Cept I just realised that there are no pre-compiled alsa modules for 2.6 kernels. :( |
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| 21:21.26 | Juan33 | somebody who has the same version could tell me if this md5 is correct? |
| 21:21.38 | Juan33 | i think i have trojan in apache |
| 21:22.57 | SerajewelKS | Juan33: just do: apt-get clean; apt-get install --reinstall apache |
| 21:23.24 | Mr-R | Juan33: affirmative on the md5sum |
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| 21:23.57 | Juan33 | ok, then where is my problem |
| 21:24.21 | Juan33 | i have a apache process to a IP port 6666 |
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| 21:24.37 | SerajewelKS | Juan33: kill it? |
| 21:24.39 | lightcap | here's what I don't get though, in my current configuration, update-grub had set root to hd(0,0), but the root filesystem is on hda3. Shouldn't that be hd(0,2) |
| 21:25.01 | SerajewelKS | Juan33: is it listening on that port or connecting to it? |
| 21:25.04 | loggygreg | lightcap: no |
| 21:25.06 | zamaliphe | how to check that the file is not empty or have spacese?? like |
| 21:25.07 | zamaliphe | splash_old=`grep -e [:alnum:] ./splash_old` |
| 21:25.07 | zamaliphe | if [ "$splash_old" = ' ' ];then |
| 21:25.23 | JordiGH | Is someone logging this channel? A moment ago I posted a url that said how to install the nvidia drivers. Can someone please spit it back to me? I can't find it. |
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| 21:25.33 | lightcap | loggygreg: I thought it was offset by one on the partition in grub |
| 21:25.39 | crashbg | m-a a-i nvidia |
| 21:25.41 | phaedral | hi all; time to set up the "amp" part of lamp on my sarge machine; apt-get install apache2 php4-cgi php4-mysql? |
| 21:25.42 | SerajewelKS | !nvidia one liner |
| 21:25.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 21:25.44 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: ^^^ |
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| 21:26.03 | peritus_ | JordiGH: 21:35:03 <JordiGH> http://ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/harvard/ |
| 21:26.08 | loggygreg | lightcap: sorry i haven't understand |
| 21:26.12 | peritus_ | was that right? |
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| 21:26.47 | JordiGH | peritus, no, it was a .txt file... |
| 21:26.55 | loggygreg | lightcap: it should be hd(0,2) |
| 21:27.10 | lightcap | loggygreg: root partition is on hda3...but it boots just fine with (0,0) somehow... |
| 21:27.18 | peritus_ | JordiGH: http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt |
| 21:27.46 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
| 21:28.24 | zamaliphe | how to check that the text file is not empty or have spacese?? using grep?? |
| 21:28.40 | SerajewelKS | zamaliphe: why would you need to do that |
| 21:28.43 | JordiGH | Ah, thanks, peritus. |
| 21:28.47 | loggygreg | lightcap: you have to install it on /dev/sda and for partition sda3 hd(0,2) , no ? |
| 21:28.48 | JordiGH | And thanks for the one-liner. :) |
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| 21:29.16 | zamaliphe | case i need to creat a shell script |
| 21:29.33 | zamaliphe | SerajewelKS can you help |
| 21:29.36 | SerajewelKS | zamaliphe: sounds like homework to me |
| 21:29.41 | Seb | sure does |
| 21:29.53 | Seb | !homework |
| 21:29.53 | dpkg | Given at strip joint, and the time for strip joint is during a recession. |
| 21:29.59 | zamaliphe | SerajewelKS splash_old=`grep -e [:alnum:] ./splash_old` |
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| 21:30.41 | zamaliphe | SerajewelKS :what then help pleasss?? |
| 21:31.08 | SerajewelKS | zamaliphe: is this homework? |
| 21:31.14 | lightcap | loggygreg: the existing entries show (0,0), and it works...but I know that the root fileystem is at hda3 so I don't understand how it works... |
| 21:32.17 | zamaliphe | SerajewelKS : i have finsh the schoool long time ago !!!! |
| 21:32.32 | SerajewelKS | zamaliphe: obviously you didn't learn a lot |
| 21:32.33 | loggygreg | lightcap: (hda yes and not sda) I don't understand too |
| 21:32.38 | SerajewelKS | !ep zamaliphe |
| 21:32.38 | dpkg | zamaliphe: Stop!!! Using!!!! So!!!!! Much!!!!! Punctuation!!!!!!!!!!! It's ..... Irritating ..... As ..... All .... Hell!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 21:32.51 | Juan33 | SerajewelKS my server is connecting to it, it's a irc server |
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| 21:33.10 | mrec | does anyone have a cinergy hybrid xs or hauppauge hvr 900? |
| 21:33.10 | SerajewelKS | Juan33: is it... uh, freenode.. by any chance? |
| 21:33.15 | Juan33 | i sniffer this port and i see that: |
| 21:33.17 | Juan33 | [21:52] *** Entra FuSiOn|Gp04 (www-data@701980DA.F2955747.3CABEB43.IP) |
| 21:33.21 | Juan33 | [21:58] *** Cierra FuSiOn|Gp04 (www-data@701980DA.F2955747.3CABEB43.IP) Quit: iroffer v1.3.b11 [20051213023024] - running 1D 2H 46M |
| 21:33.32 | SerajewelKS | Juan33: are you running CGI:IRC? |
| 21:33.33 | Juan33 | iroffer? |
| 21:33.37 | JordiGH | I'm excited... sound is working! Now installing nvidia drivers again... but somehow, my usb drive stopped working. |
| 21:33.39 | Juan33 | no |
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| 21:33.43 | zamaliphe | SerajewelKS : ok can you help? |
| 21:34.01 | SerajewelKS | Juan33: are there any connections to your server you could sniff? |
| 21:34.10 | zamaliphe | or any one else may be?? |
| 21:34.19 | SerajewelKS | zamaliphe: can? sure. will? probably not, since this sounds like a homework assignment. |
| 21:34.29 | Juan33 | i am trying that |
| 21:34.37 | Juan33 | i reboot the server and now not connection |
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| 21:36.22 | nukeu666 | i want to send a process(bitchx) to background but it sud keep doing its work...anyway to do it? |
| 21:36.27 | Supaplex | is it saturday yet? |
| 21:36.38 | Supaplex | nukeu666: screen, or /detach |
| 21:36.38 | loggygreg | lightcap: may be your /boot partition is on hda1 |
| 21:36.58 | lightcap | it is |
| 21:37.06 | zamaliphe | SerajewelKS : frist i have finsh the study and i wish to creat a script that cheang the grub gfxmenu evry boot time thats all know i have stuk!! |
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| 21:37.26 | lightcap | but the line is root (hd0,0) |
| 21:37.26 | vb | anyone has tested RTAI patch with Debian? |
| 21:37.33 | james_ | Is system V IPC needed? |
| 21:37.36 | Supaplex | !rtai |
| 21:37.43 | nukeu666 | Supaplex cool.thnx |
| 21:37.45 | vb | !rtai |
| 21:37.46 | Supaplex | wth is rtai? |
| 21:37.50 | lightcap | qkkkjk |
| 21:37.58 | vb | real time linux |
| 21:38.02 | lightcap | oops...sorry wrong window :/ |
| 21:38.08 | Supaplex | !confuse lightcap |
| 21:38.08 | dpkg | No, how is your gerbil today, lightcap? lederhosen of the democracy of liechtenstein with extra cheese |
| 21:38.14 | kookaburra | Read The Assinine Instructions? |
| 21:38.14 | nukeu666 | itll keep working even if i logout? |
| 21:38.20 | loggygreg | lightcap: ok that's normal |
| 21:38.28 | lightcap | Supaplex: thanks, don't need much help today ;-) |
| 21:38.35 | Supaplex | hehe |
| 21:38.37 | vb | real time application interface |
| 21:38.44 | lightcap | loggygreg: you're conusing the hell of of me ;-) |
| 21:38.59 | zamaliphe | how to chek if the file is not empty or have spaces ??? any one can help |
| 21:39.11 | Supaplex | request tracker artifical inteligence |
| 21:39.17 | lightcap | root should reference the root filesystem...and it's not at (hd0,0) |
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| 21:40.04 | loggygreg | lightcap: if your boot partition is on hda1 you have to use 'root (hd0,0)' |
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| 21:40.19 | Supaplex | including spaces? %-) |
| 21:40.32 | lightcap | loggygreg: so root in that context is really boot? :/ |
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| 21:40.57 | loggygreg | lightcap: and use root=/dev/hda3 as a kernel parameter for example kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.12.3-reiser4 root=/dev/sda7 ro vga=795 |
| 21:41.37 | lightcap | loggygreg: I wonder if they made that purposeful obscure. that's just silly! It should be boot (hd0,0) |
| 21:41.56 | zamaliphe | Supaplex on space is inf |
| 21:41.56 | Supaplex | !start a fs war |
| 21:41.56 | dpkg | Who needs a file system? Use orthogonal persistency! |
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| 21:42.14 | loggygreg | lightcap: no root is the partition that contains the kernel and menu.lst |
| 21:42.21 | mw-home | how do I set LANGUAGE and LC_ALL? |
| 21:42.26 | jeff_ | anyone around familiar with rsyncing for entire drive backups? |
| 21:42.33 | Seb | mw-home: export LANG=... export LC_ALL=... |
| 21:42.36 | crashbg | /etc/profile |
| 21:42.39 | lightcap | loggygreg: grub always does this to me...makes me think in circles... |
| 21:42.41 | mw-home | thx |
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| 21:42.46 | lightcap | thanks loggygreg |
| 21:42.58 | astronut | how do i use growisofs to burn dvds from the console? |
| 21:43.09 | Seb | astronut: without reading man growisofs you mean ? |
| 21:43.12 | mw-home | what are allowed values for LANGUAGE and LC_ALL? I'm a USian, using english. |
| 21:43.25 | Seb | mw-home: type locale |
| 21:43.35 | Seb | mw-home: and as I pointed, it's LANG not LANGUAGE |
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| 21:44.09 | astronut | Seb: i'm reading it, but i don't see where you pass it in the data |
| 21:44.18 | astronut | i see the options for controlling the dvd burn stuff, but not source data |
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| 21:44.35 | zamaliphe | #flood can any one help with this pleas?? |
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| 21:44.44 | loggygreg | lightcap: all is right now :-) |
| 21:44.54 | zamaliphe | #flood splash_old=`grep -e [:alnum:] ./splash_old` |
| 21:44.55 | zamaliphe | if [ "$splash_old" = ' ' ];then |
| 21:44.55 | zamaliphe | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:44.55 | zamaliphe | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:44.55 | zamaliphe | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:44.58 | Seb | nice |
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| 21:45.14 | JordiGH | ? |
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| 21:45.23 | Seb | astronut: how about the examples section ? |
| 21:45.43 | JordiGH | "left channel?" |
| 21:45.45 | JordiGH | Not kicked? |
| 21:45.50 | astronut | Seb: i always thought it had to be passed some kind of image, but i could be wrong |
| 21:45.55 | astronut | *shrug* |
| 21:46.03 | Seb | astronut: you are |
| 21:46.06 | v_2 | if i have an alias for root in /etc/aliases, shouldn't email for root's cron jobs use that alias? |
| 21:46.10 | astronut | oh, ok |
| 21:46.15 | JordiGH | Citizen zamaliphe left the premises for personal reasons? |
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| 21:46.29 | Seb | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:46.34 | Seb | so no, he got kicked |
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| 21:46.46 | JordiGH | Or is my IRC client just not smart enough to distinguish between leaving and a kick? |
| 21:47.04 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: kicks are considered "rude" -- debhelper /msg'd chanserv and requested that he leave |
| 21:47.08 | crashbg | glxgears is showing about 1300 fps with the "nvidia" driver, with p4@1.6 and nforce5200, is it ok? |
| 21:47.36 | SerajewelKS | crashbg: nforce is a motherboard chipset, not a video card |
| 21:47.40 | SerajewelKS | crashbg: what is the video card |
| 21:47.41 | zamaliphe | splash_old=`grep -e [:alnum:] ./splash_old` |
| 21:47.41 | JordiGH | 1300 fps? Dude, the eye can only see about 30 fpt. Of course it's ok. :) |
| 21:47.42 | zamaliphe | if [ "$splash_old" = ' ' ];then |
| 21:47.42 | zamaliphe | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:47.46 | crashbg | SerajewelKS: yea my mistake |
| 21:47.48 | crashbg | fx5200 |
| 21:47.55 | SerajewelKS | crashbg: that sounds about right |
| 21:48.16 | curt | crashbg, depends I the complexity of what's being rendered. |
| 21:48.23 | crashbg | i had to remove the sis_agp driver from the kernel |
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| 21:48.42 | crashbg | because it was making lot of errors and use nvagp=1 |
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| 21:49.10 | Supaplex | naughty sis |
| 21:49.13 | zamaliphe | can any one help me heer? |
| 21:49.22 | zamaliphe | pleas !!! |
| 21:49.26 | Supaplex | !help |
| 21:49.33 | Supaplex | !ask |
| 21:49.34 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 21:50.01 | curt | I might need to ask this somewhere else but, is there a way to automagically add an ip to iptables/netfilter when multiple sshd connections are failing from said ip (dictionary hack type) |
| 21:50.18 | crashbg | and can anyone tell me thich card will be better under linux: fx5200 or asus9250 (radeon 9200) |
| 21:50.18 | Seb | curt: you can always write a script that does that |
| 21:50.21 | zamaliphe | Supaplex how to chek that the file is not empty or have spacess ? |
| 21:50.26 | Supaplex | zamaliphe: #bash is pretty good for shell script questions to :) |
| 21:50.27 | curt | Seb, I might have to |
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| 21:50.48 | astronut | curt: i remember seeing said script on planet debian a while back |
| 21:50.55 | v_2 | if i have an alias for root in /etc/aliases, shouldn't email for root's cron jobs go to that alias? |
| 21:50.59 | astronut | several people were discussing various implementations of that |
| 21:50.59 | Seb | v_2: sure |
| 21:51.15 | JordiGH | nerdy2, you use Debian? I didn't know that! |
| 21:51.16 | astronut | v_2: does root's crontab have MAILTO set? |
| 21:51.19 | zamaliphe | Supaplex thanks |
| 21:51.20 | PerfDave | crashbg: FX5200, almost certainly. |
| 21:51.24 | JordiGH | (It's you Jeff, isn't it?) |
| 21:51.26 | loggygreg | crashbg: i prefer nvidia card |
| 21:51.27 | v_2 | astronut: no it doesn't |
| 21:51.43 | PerfDave | curt: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/187 |
| 21:51.44 | v_2 | astronut: but i thought that /etc/aliases covers everything... |
| 21:51.47 | nerdy2 | JordiGH, yes |
| 21:51.52 | astronut | that's an easier way to do mailto, don't know about aliases |
| 21:52.02 | curt | PerfDave, your always handy like that... :) |
| 21:52.04 | JordiGH | Long time no see, dude. :) |
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| 21:52.14 | JordiGH | brb, restarting the X server. |
| 21:52.15 | Supaplex | v_2: provided the .db file was refreshed. |
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| 21:52.34 | v_2 | Supaplex, for exim? |
| 21:52.53 | kookaburra | my problem is that stable is so stable that there is hardly anything to tinker with anymore. tweaked it all like I like it... *sigh* |
| 21:52.55 | Supaplex | v_2: never used it :) |
| 21:53.02 | lightcap | crap, not coming back up. |
| 21:53.14 | slinn | kookaburra: time to start developing |
| 21:53.23 | Supaplex | lightcap it's usually bad for "crap" to come back up. you need a plubmer! |
| 21:53.39 | Bucciarati | kookaburra: then stop wanking and start working. computers are meant to be used, not configured |
| 21:53.51 | lightcap | Supaplex: glad someone's in a good mood. I'm sure not ;-) |
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| 21:54.36 | kookaburra | right... |
| 21:55.10 | kookaburra | unless you run gentoo... sorry couldn't resist |
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| 21:56.36 | Bucciarati | !start a distro war |
| 21:56.36 | dpkg | Cent OS rocks! |
| 21:56.58 | plb | hrm anyone on sarge unable to change firefox menubar fonts?? |
| 21:57.48 | kookaburra | can one make .deb files without the source code of the package? |
| 21:58.05 | PerfDave | CentOS is a pile of shite. |
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| 21:58.30 | PerfDave | kookaburra: I'm sure it must be possible, because much software in non-free has no source. |
| 21:58.32 | Bucciarati | kookaburra: you can make a package from binary but it's not that useful |
| 21:58.44 | mrec | well debian needs some improvements too.. so I wouldn't look at other OSes |
| 21:59.05 | slinn | no, debian is perfect |
| 21:59.10 | JordiGH | Well, there we go. The nVidia drivers works again. And so does the sound, sort of, but with the same problems as before: no midi, no sound in .mov files, no sound in armagetron or cube... |
| 21:59.30 | PerfDave | Debian needs no improvements. mrec needs upgrading so he overcomes his misconception ;) |
| 22:00.06 | war92 | It is possible to set the read-ahead on hard drives using hdparm, hdparm -A1 -a256 /dev/hda, how do I view the current read-ahead setting? hdparm -vI /dev/hda does not show this? |
| 22:00.17 | JordiGH | Aww... prboom used to have sound, and no it doesn't. :( |
| 22:00.21 | JordiGH | Well, I'll try fixing this some other time. |
| 22:00.43 | war92 | -va works, nm. |
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| 22:04.11 | Tortel | will a tape drive appear under "My Computer" in GNOME? |
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| 22:04.21 | crashbg | i've mixed some packages from testing and unstable; how can i revert them to stable? like getting a clean sarge |
| 22:04.37 | PerfDave | crashbg: Reinstall. |
| 22:04.41 | PerfDave | !downgrade |
| 22:04.42 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. |
| 22:04.42 | crashbg | :( |
| 22:06.11 | crashbg | bad for me; ok, then another thing: if i install a clean sarge, then debootstrap to a dir, and chroot to this dir with the current kernel, can i use it as a "test" system? |
| 22:06.27 | PerfDave | crashbg: Yes |
| 22:06.43 | gnufan | crashbg: dpkg is a pessimist -- I've downgraded core components of the Etch installer to the Sarge version on one box, and it is happy as larry. |
| 22:06.59 | Tortel | heh |
| 22:07.36 | gnufan | crashbg: but I wouldn't want to bet my job on it :) |
| 22:07.55 | crashbg | ok i'm reinstalling the damn pc; i am making a mythtv box :P |
| 22:08.18 | gnufan | !end a distro war |
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| 22:08.25 | Tortel | is there a way to tell what type of tape drive I have? |
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| 22:08.36 | PerfDave | Tortel: Does it have a sticker on it? |
| 22:08.40 | crashbg | and for some oldschool games like CS and BattleField with cedega |
| 22:08.41 | Tortel | nope |
| 22:08.45 | Tortel | :P |
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| 22:09.15 | PerfDave | Tortel: I'm presuming it's SCSI, how does it report itself to the SCSI bus? |
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| 22:13.10 | Supaplex | don't all ask at once! :-D |
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| 22:13.29 | Tortel | whats 6 times 7? |
| 22:13.38 | Supaplex | !6 * 7 |
| 22:13.38 | dpkg | 42 |
| 22:13.46 | Tortel | yay! |
| 22:13.55 | Tortel | the answer to life! |
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| 22:14.05 | Supaplex | the universe and everything and stuff |
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| 22:14.44 | freeone3000 | I have cupsys. I have my printer driver. It's HP, so it should work. How would I actually get it to, ya know, print? |
| 22:15.20 | Tortel | sledge hammer! |
| 22:15.22 | Tortel | :D |
| 22:15.30 | Supaplex | turn the hand crank |
| 22:15.45 | PerfDave | freeone3000: http://www.linux-printing.org/ may be able to help you with that. Personally, I use the KDE print setup thingy. |
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| 22:16.40 | lightcap | okay, I guess I need some help to get this new raid to work...so I just created a boot raid partition at /dev/md0, and a root raid partition at /dev/md1. the current grub boots my kernel from the boot partition at /dev/hda1 with the root partition at /dev/hda3. I need free up hda so I can raid it as the missing second drive in the raid. what should my menu.lst say? |
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| 22:17.51 | Supaplex | boot and software raid don't mix, do they? |
| 22:17.53 | anonomouse | i just compliled a new grsec kernel... and on boot im getting a kernel panic telling me my modules.dep is not in /lib/modules/kernelname |
| 22:17.56 | anonomouse | but its there |
| 22:18.13 | lightcap | Supaplex: sure, I've had it working under lilo in the past |
| 22:18.21 | valdyn | Supaplex: needs an initrd containing everything required to run the raid |
| 22:18.30 | lightcap | valdyn: and I created that |
| 22:19.04 | anonomouse | i just compliled a new grsec kernel... and on boot im getting a kernel panic telling me my modules.dep is not in /lib/modules/kernelname |
| 22:19.08 | anonomouse | but its there |
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| 22:19.18 | PerfDave | anonomouse: Yes, you just said that ;) |
| 22:19.18 | lightcap | it's at initrd.img-2.6.8-custom-uml-1.0-raid |
| 22:19.20 | Supaplex | !repeat |
| 22:19.20 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 22:19.24 | anonomouse | oops wrong chan |
| 22:19.24 | anonomouse | lol |
| 22:19.28 | freeone3000 | Thank you. |
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| 22:21.57 | freeone3000 | Alrighty, nevermind. Set it up through cups, installed cupsys, its direct depends, and hpslip, or the one with a similar name through apt-get, before I set it up of course... |
| 22:21.58 | Supaplex | it's pretty sad when the veggies taste better then the main dish |
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| 22:22.45 | PerfDave | Supaplex: Unless it's broccoli, because broccoli is the BEST THING EVER. And has an IQ of 4. |
| 22:22.47 | darkcmd | hello everyone :) |
| 22:23.07 | Supaplex | yes, it was broccoli |
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| 22:23.18 | PerfDave | Mmmm, sweet sweet broccoli. |
| 22:23.33 | PerfDave | Broccoli almost makes me think that vegetarianism is possible. Until I have more steak. |
| 22:23.35 | Supaplex | salt pepper butter steamed broccoli mmmm |
| 22:23.42 | Supaplex | lol |
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| 22:24.33 | Scorp_X | Ïðèâåò âñåì!!! |
| 22:24.43 | Scorp_X | Ïî ðóññêè êòî-íèáóäü ãîâîðèò???? |
| 22:24.44 | anonomouse | anyone have any ideas? |
| 22:24.49 | Scorp_X | Àóóóóóóó! |
| 22:24.53 | Scorp_X | Âû ÷åãî??? |
| 22:24.55 | zinx | !ru |
| 22:24.55 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
| 22:24.58 | Scorp_X | Ðóññêèé çàáûëè??? |
| 22:25.03 | Scorp_X | ÑÑÑÐ!!! |
| 22:25.06 | Supaplex | ty zinx :) |
| 22:25.10 | Scorp_X | foreve |
| 22:25.11 | zinx | Scorp_X: this is an english channel, if you're actually trying to say something useful. |
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| 22:25.23 | PerfDave | Hahahaha, dondelelcaro > gravity :) |
| 22:25.31 | zinx | banganked |
| 22:25.34 | Supaplex | his ip it from russia :) so yea... |
| 22:25.51 | Supaplex | it/is/ |
| 22:25.58 | darkcmd | is there a debian kernel that has the framebuffer enabled? |
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| 22:26.12 | darkcmd | or do they all? |
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| 22:26.18 | lyser | bonsoir |
| 22:26.24 | Supaplex | there's always kp, check /boot/config* |
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| 22:26.37 | darkcmd | k |
| 22:26.39 | darkcmd | kp? |
| 22:26.41 | darkcmd | i mean |
| 22:26.42 | darkcmd | not k |
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| 22:27.00 | Aid` | on kernel 2.6 i cannot get my harddrive with windows to mount, any ideas? |
| 22:27.01 | Unununium | Hi, I'm looking for a .deb containing x86_64-compiled statically-linked glibc. Any pointers? |
| 22:27.12 | PerfDave | Unununium: Ask #debian-amd64 ? |
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| 22:27.21 | Unununium | Thanks, I'll go there and ask. |
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| 22:27.49 | Supaplex | !tell darkcmd -about kp |
| 22:27.55 | PerfDave | Aid`: Pay someone to do it for you. I charge very reasonable contractor rates. |
| 22:28.29 | Aid` | well it should work just fine... in kernel 2.4 it mounted perfectly and now in kernel 2.6 it doesnt work |
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| 22:28.39 | PerfDave | !it doesn't work |
| 22:28.44 | PerfDave | Bah |
| 22:28.45 | PerfDave | !doesn't work |
| 22:28.46 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 22:28.48 | Supaplex | !don't work |
| 22:28.48 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 22:28.50 | lyser | Hello. I have a problem with a network installation. After the package selection, I have a lot of tasksel errors about dependancies. I have never seen this error in my previouses installs |
| 22:28.54 | Supaplex | :P |
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| 22:28.58 | Unununium | #debian-amd64 is silent |
| 22:29.11 | PerfDave | Unununium: I'm sure if you have patience your question will be answered. |
| 22:29.21 | Unununium | And #ubuntu won't acknowledge my existence... But sure, I'll hang around for a while. |
| 22:29.23 | PerfDave | Unununium: Which version of Debian are you running anyway? |
| 22:29.32 | freeone3000 | I send a job to my printer through the lp command. Cups accepts the job. The printer does not print. |
| 22:29.33 | Unununium | Ubuntu, hopefully temporarily |
| 22:29.34 | lyser | I have tried with both 'testing' and 'stable' |
| 22:29.39 | dondelelcaro | Unununium: if you want to run that version of libc6, you've got to be running Debian amd64. |
| 22:29.40 | Unununium | Hey, I got an answer. |
| 22:29.47 | freeone3000 | !ubuntu |
| 22:29.47 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ubuntu is not Debian. See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian.. |
| 22:29.57 | PerfDave | Unununium: If you're running Ubuntu, your question is not relevant for either #debian or #debian-amd64. |
| 22:30.08 | Aid` | im patient but i always get fucking ignored |
| 22:30.18 | lyser | What can be the solution please ? |
| 22:30.25 | chealer | on sarge, is there a way to enlarge a root ext3 filesystem without using ext2resize and using rescue disks? |
| 22:30.26 | Supaplex | Unununium: are you trying to cross breed debian and ubuntu? eeek |
| 22:30.27 | Unununium | Yet #ubuntu won't answer any of my questions, so here I am. #debian-amd64 suggested libc-pic, which Ubuntu *does* package. I'll try that, and thanks for your help. |
| 22:30.40 | Supaplex | cool enough |
| 22:30.42 | PerfDave | Unununium: #ubuntu's failure to support Ubuntu does not make it #debian's job to do so. |
| 22:30.48 | Unununium | I'm actually trying to not use either :^) I just need something from which I can compile another system. |
| 22:30.52 | loggygreg | Aid`: what exactly is your problem? |
| 22:30.53 | tijn | well, this is #debian |
| 22:30.59 | tijn | you are not running it |
| 22:31.00 | Unununium | PerfDave: I know, but I just want a .deb. |
| 22:31.08 | PerfDave | Unununium: So ask #ubuntu. Ubuntu has .debs. |
| 22:31.12 | Supaplex | any deb will do then. ;) |
| 22:31.17 | chealer | lyser: it's hard to guess without seeing the errors in question. |
| 22:31.19 | Aid` | loggygreg: i had kernel 2.4.3 and then i upgraded to 2.6. Then my hard drive with windows on it does not mount anymore |
| 22:31.34 | PerfDave | Aid`: *how* are you trying to mount it, and *what* errors are you getting? /msg dpkg smart questions |
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| 22:32.05 | loggygreg | Aid`: what filesystem and is it in fstab ? |
| 22:32.13 | lyser | chealer : dependancies errors are "perl depend: perl-base(=5.8.4.8sarge3) but 5.8.7-7 is installed |
| 22:32.17 | Aid` | mount: /dev/hda1 already mounted or /media/windows busy when itry to mount it. and then umount: /dev/hda1: not mounted when itry to umount |
| 22:32.21 | Aid` | loggygreg: ntfs |
| 22:32.34 | hjubal | hi |
| 22:32.38 | chealer | lyser: hum, and you get that when trying to install which release? |
| 22:32.39 | lyser | same thing with python-newt and readline-common |
| 22:33.11 | loggygreg | Aid`: busy, humm I don't know |
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| 22:33.14 | lyser | well, I'not sure, I downloaded the net-install cd on november 2005 |
| 22:33.25 | Aid` | loggygreg: it was in fstab but i removed it because that didn't mount it correctly either |
| 22:33.28 | lyser | etch maybe |
| 22:33.30 | freeone3000 | I have cupsys and cupsys-client installed, along with my printer driver, set up through kprint. |
| 22:33.44 | freeone3000 | But I have a small problem: I send a job to my printer through the lp command. Cups accepts the job. The printer does not print. |
| 22:33.48 | EvilGuru | this is probably a dumb question but if I want to use the 'testing' package tree what do I need to do? |
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| 22:34.23 | freeone3000 | nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 22:34.28 | freeone3000 | Change 'stable' to 'testing' |
| 22:34.32 | freeone3000 | apt-get update; apt-get upgrade |
| 22:34.34 | ccg | how to switch between profiles in firefox ? |
| 22:34.42 | lyser | I will try tommorow with the latest net-install cd avaiable on debian.org |
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| 22:34.50 | chealer | lyser: it's hard to help you without knowing the version. if it's Etch, november 2005 is getting old. if it's not yet done, Etch d-i beta2 should be released today |
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| 22:34.51 | Aid` | loggygreg: thanks anyways |
| 22:35.30 | chealer | EvilGuru: which release do you use? |
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| 22:35.47 | black_Nightmare | just wondering but was there a crude patch to get disk drive working on debian/ppc? |
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| 22:37.01 | MyWay | hi |
| 22:37.18 | MyWay | The fonts of my GTK programs are too small, what can i do? |
| 22:37.18 | EvilGuru | 3.1 sarge on an embedded system (big-endian arm) |
| 22:37.23 | lyser | chealer : yes I will try that |
| 22:37.38 | lyser | chealer : thanks for your help |
| 22:37.40 | lyser | bye :) |
| 22:37.47 | chealer | lyser: it's a pleasure |
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| 22:38.02 | streuner | MyWay: if the app itself not able to change that, change the config-file of X |
| 22:38.02 | chealer | EvilGuru: ok, so you want to upgrade to Etch? |
| 22:38.16 | EvilGuru | chealer: yup |
| 22:38.19 | MyWay | streuner how? |
| 22:38.29 | chealer | !tell EvilGuru about sarge->etch |
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| 22:38.39 | streuner | MyWay: xfree86 or xorg? |
| 22:39.03 | MyWay | xorg |
| 22:39.56 | loggygreg | MyWay: you use kde or gnome ? |
| 22:39.59 | MyWay | gnome |
| 22:40.14 | streuner | MyWay: try to change the order of the fonts in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 22:40.16 | MyWay | i tried installing transcoded fonts, i read it on google |
| 22:40.18 | MyWay | but nothing to do |
| 22:40.24 | MyWay | ok streuner |
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| 22:42.24 | MyWay | does i need restart x now? |
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| 22:42.49 | streuner | yes, for every change in X config file you need to restart X then |
| 22:42.55 | MyWay | ok |
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| 22:43.03 | aarchie | I'm running stable with a few packages taken from testing/unstable as necessary. A recent update has left the taskbar a bit messed up with the text describing each window spilling across beyond the right of each box onto the next description. Can anyone advise what package might have caused this problem? |
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| 22:43.25 | david_ | is there a program in debian that will convert wmv to mpeg or svcd? |
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| 22:44.18 | chealer | david_: ffmpeg, possibly, depending on which kind of WMV |
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| 22:45.34 | david_ | chealer: it wmv created by windows movie maker if that helps |
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| 22:46.17 | aarchie | I'm in Gnome and I've already tried running 'apt-get -t testing install x-window-system-core' but that didn't seem to help. |
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| 22:47.03 | chealer | david_: it depends on which version. AFAIK ffmpeg doesn't read WMV9/WMV3 yet |
| 22:47.19 | david_ | ok thanks chealer ill give it a shot |
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| 22:48.48 | bit0 | hi! |
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| 22:49.20 | bit0 | how could i add http://diotavelli.net/files/pyqt-experimental/binary/ to my source.list? |
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| 22:50.32 | dondelelcaro | bit0: deb http://diotavelli.net/files/pyqt-experimental/ binary/; may work, however it doesn't have a Release file, so it's a bit doubtful. |
| 22:51.06 | jlamr | hey all, I am getting a Grub error 18 msg, I've been doing some reading on this-I need to readjust the partitions, but I haven't the best way to do this. Any suggestions? |
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| 22:51.47 | bit0 | dondelelcaro, mmm... yes, really a problem, thansks |
| 22:52.56 | ttick | Is there a prefered way to do FS encryption? loop-aes? or dmcrypt? or EncFS? |
| 22:52.58 | crashbg | !cedega |
| 22:52.58 | dpkg | rumour has it, cedega is the new name for Transgaming's WineX - a proprietary fork of WINE designed to play Windows games. Limited CVS available at http://transgaming.org/cvs/ but missing key components such as copy protection or installshield functionality, or http://timedoctor.org/boycott_winex.php, or and the packaging saga summarised at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200205/msg02823.html |
| 22:55.14 | yassine | hi i have installed vim and for some reasons it seems not able to do syntax higlight any idea how i can fix this please ? |
| 22:55.27 | ttick | okay, next question: I've installed apt-get 0.6.43.3 but still getting the untrusted warning. Do I need to add the gpg key manually as the rest of "dpkg 2006 key" says? Or is something fouled up? |
| 22:55.28 | freeone3000 | vim -e? |
| 22:55.40 | SerajewelKS | yassine: type :syntax on |
| 22:55.52 | SerajewelKS | yassine: echo syntax on >> ~/.vimrc |
| 22:55.56 | freeone3000 | ttick: Try apt-get update . Fixed it for me. |
| 22:56.05 | yassine | SerajewelKS, thanks |
| 22:56.18 | ttick | still getting: W: GPG error: http://http.us.debian.org testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F |
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| 22:56.51 | freeone3000 | Yeah. You need the key. |
| 22:56.58 | ttick | "W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems" heh, apt-get update is what gives me the errors. |
| 22:57.00 | SerajewelKS | !cedega =~ s#, or http://timedoctor.org/boycott_winex.php## |
| 22:57.00 | dpkg | SerajewelKS: OK |
| 22:57.05 | SerajewelKS | (site is dead) |
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| 22:58.04 | SerajewelKS | lists.d.o is down too? |
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| 22:58.18 | loggygreg | ttick: /msg dpkg secure-testing-master apt-key |
| 22:58.45 | Kerr | How can i force dhclient to expire and renew a lease (ie, get a new ip from the dhcp server) ? the man page seems to be... devod of any actual content (using sarge) |
| 22:58.46 | ttick | thanks guys. |
| 22:58.52 | SerajewelKS | lists.d.o digs but the server seems to have vaporized |
| 22:59.05 | SerajewelKS | Kerr: ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 |
| 22:59.58 | Kerr | SerajewelKS: doesn't expire the leased ip? |
| 22:59.58 | Uberriffic | I've made an init script, however it doesn't run in the background, it runs in the foreground, any way to change that? |
| 22:59.59 | SerajewelKS | Kerr: ifdown eth0; rm -f /var/lib/dhcp/dhclient.leases /var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient.leases; ifup eth0 |
| 23:00.00 | fantomas | How to configure system so that all mounted flash disks will always be available via same addres, like /dev/flash or something similar. I have in my /etc/fstab a record telling mount that my flash is /dev/sda1. Well now I've plugged iPod and it become /dev/sdb2... |
| 23:00.13 | thewhite | where can I find a server that holds xorg 7 exeprimental debs? |
| 23:00.25 | SerajewelKS | fantomas: udev |
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| 23:00.37 | fantomas | SerajewelKS: I use it |
| 23:00.45 | fantomas | SerajewelKS: hm.. |
| 23:00.47 | SerajewelKS | fantomas: configure it |
| 23:01.13 | Kerr | SerajewelKS: dhclient.leases is an empty file O.o |
| 23:01.26 | freeone3000 | The kde printer configuration swears that the test page was sent to the printer. |
| 23:01.31 | SerajewelKS | Kerr: both of them? |
| 23:01.32 | MyWay | how do i install java? |
| 23:01.33 | aarchie | Does anyone know if Gnome is installable from testing at the moment? I get errors from 'apt-get -t testing install gnome-desktop-environment'. |
| 23:01.33 | freeone3000 | However, my eyes say that the printer is not doing anything. |
| 23:01.37 | SerajewelKS | !tell MyWay about install java |
| 23:02.07 | SerajewelKS | aarchie: why '-t testing'? |
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| 23:02.18 | SerajewelKS | aarchie: what base system are you running, sarge or sid? |
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| 23:02.27 | Kerr | SerajewelKS: there doesn't appear to be a dhcp3 folder |
| 23:02.34 | thewhite | aarchie: in sid it won't work. At least not for me. Trye gnome-core. |
| 23:02.42 | loggygreg | !tell MyWay about java |
| 23:02.46 | SerajewelKS | Kerr: if the file is empty then the server is remembering you and giving you the same ip address |
| 23:02.49 | SerajewelKS | !lose loggygreg |
| 23:02.49 | dpkg | loggygreg: You Lose. |
| 23:02.54 | Kerr | SerajewelKS: hmm, dhcp3 is in etc |
| 23:02.58 | thewhite | aarchie: broken package |
| 23:02.58 | fantomas | SerajewelKS: would you provide a couple of bits about configuring udev in that way? |
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| 23:03.08 | loggygreg | SerajewelKS: humm :-) |
| 23:03.09 | aarchie | Because I have a mixed system using mostly stable but with some packages from testing & unstable. The '-t testing' tells it to prefer testing, I believe. |
| 23:03.20 | Kerr | no leases file.. |
| 23:03.31 | SerajewelKS | aarchie: that is a cardinal sin. stable + (testing | unstable) DO NOT mix. |
| 23:03.35 | aarchie | Sera: sarge mostly. |
| 23:03.36 | Kerr | SerajewelKS: is there a way to ask the server to drop the lease? |
| 23:03.54 | SerajewelKS | Kerr: not unless you have physical control over the server. why do you even care what IP you get? |
| 23:04.04 | thewhite | aarchie: there are backports for woody. http://www.debianhelp.org holds a list of servers. |
| 23:04.06 | SerajewelKS | aarchie: does not matter |
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| 23:04.15 | MyWay | SerajewelKS: i did apt-get install java-package, but it says: impossible find.. |
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| 23:04.27 | Kerr | I've had threats against my system. Forcing an ip change is a contingency plan. |
| 23:04.32 | SerajewelKS | !tell aarchie about mixing stable and unstable |
| 23:04.56 | SerajewelKS | Kerr: how about you do something sane, like actually tighten security |
| 23:05.05 | SerajewelKS | MyWay: you need contrib sources |
| 23:05.13 | MyWay | what's this? |
| 23:05.13 | aarchie | thewhite: 'apt-get -t testing install gnome-core' fails with 'gnome-core: Depends: yelp (>= 2.12.2) but 2.6.5-1 is to be installed'. |
| 23:05.19 | SerajewelKS | !tell MyWay about contrib |
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| 23:05.35 | MyWay | ah |
| 23:05.36 | MyWay | ok |
| 23:05.54 | pingouin | some of you have already tried bluetooth stuff under linux ? is it reconized and usable under linux ? - for cel phone etc.. - |
| 23:05.56 | SerajewelKS | aarchie: and that's one of the reasons you don't mix stable and testing. if you want testing software, use testing. otherwise backport. |
| 23:06.05 | SerajewelKS | pingouin: it seems to work alright |
| 23:06.09 | aarchie | Looks to me like testing doesn't have an installable gnome as yelp hasn't got a recent enough version to satisfy it? |
| 23:06.10 | Kerr | SerajewelKS: security isn't a problem, my nic blowing smoke rings after death by flood, is. |
| 23:06.20 | MyWay | do i also need add contrib non-free to deb-src or only to the line deb? |
| 23:06.22 | thewhite | aarchie: as SerajewelKS said, don't mix between stable/testeng/unstable. Choose one. Unstable works for me |
| 23:06.36 | SerajewelKS | Kerr: maybe a better solution is to not piss people off? |
| 23:06.38 | pingouin | SerajewelKS: thanks, i have to google it better. thanks for care |
| 23:06.48 | SerajewelKS | pingouin: np |
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| 23:06.58 | SerajewelKS | !info yelp etch |
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| 23:07.09 | dpkg | yelp: (Help browser for GNOME 2), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.12.2-2 (etch), Packaged size: 389 kB, Installed size: 2192 kB |
| 23:07.17 | SerajewelKS | aarchie: yelp is new enough |
| 23:07.18 | Kerr | SerajewelKS: keeping my channels is a crime? |
| 23:07.31 | MyWay | o i also need add contrib non-free to deb-src or only to the line deb? |
| 23:07.33 | SerajewelKS | aarchie: more likely is that something in stable depends on yelp = 2.6.5-1 |
| 23:07.33 | MyWay | do* |
| 23:07.36 | loggygreg | MyWay: if you use 'apt-get source' add it to deb-src |
| 23:07.45 | MyWay | ah |
| 23:07.46 | SerajewelKS | aarchie: which is why you don't mix them -- you can't have two yelps installed of different versions. |
| 23:07.52 | MyWay | ok thanks loggygreg i understand it now :P |
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| 23:08.12 | SerajewelKS | Kerr: *shrug* if you have a decent ISP, they will catch the DoS attempt |
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| 23:08.25 | Kerr | SerajewelKS: isp = uni |
| 23:08.32 | aarchie | serajewelKS: thanks for the help. I'm sure you're right. I had thought that apt-get would just upgrade to resolve dependencies like this, though. |
| 23:08.48 | SerajewelKS | Kerr: uhn, you have a private IP address, right? something 192.168.*, 10.*, 172.*? |
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| 23:08.59 | SerajewelKS | aarchie: it might not be able to |
| 23:09.19 | Kerr | SerajewelKS: same uni who cut me off claiming i had a win32 trojan, when my shell went down. see; i conencted to irc directly, and according to them only worms and trojans do that. |
| 23:09.58 | SerajewelKS | Kerr: wow, your uni sounds even worse than mine |
| 23:10.06 | aarchie | SerajewelKS: I would have thought even if it had to pull up pretty much my whole install to testing it would do so to resolve. but perhaps I'm not giving it the right commands? |
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| 23:10.23 | Kerr | SerajewelKS: my ip addres is 150.204.* |
| 23:10.28 | SerajewelKS | aarchie: if it would pull your whole system up to testing, why don't you do that yourself? |
| 23:10.56 | SerajewelKS | Kerr: hrm |
| 23:10.56 | Kerr | my laptop's is 192.* .. but they don't know i'm sharing my connection with it. I can tell they don't, i still have access to the network. |
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| 23:11.10 | ]MGS[Yankess^LIN | hiya |
| 23:11.13 | SerajewelKS | Kerr: wtf, they don't want your laptop on the network? |
| 23:11.39 | Kerr | SerajewelKS: they won't let people have two pcs in their bedroom connected to the net O.o |
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| 23:11.42 | SerajewelKS | Kerr: thank god i work at my uni's ITS department... since they know me they let me get away with a lot of shit other people would at least get questioned about... |
| 23:11.50 | ChrisAlt | hey |
| 23:11.54 | aarchie | SerajewelKS: i guess you're right. i was hoping to have the stability of stable and allow apt-get to upgrade anything it needed to get packages for which I need recent features. |
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| 23:11.56 | SerajewelKS | Kerr: that is 100% bullshit. get another university. |
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| 23:12.04 | Kerr | 'use of a router is prohibited' .. but a second nic pumping net out to the laptop ain't a router :) |
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| 23:12.11 | SerajewelKS | aarchie: as soon as your introduce testing to stable, it's not stable anymore |
| 23:12.17 | ChrisAlt | how can I change the window manager loaded by "startx", and how can I get a graphical login interface? |
| 23:12.23 | ChrisAlt | (im relatively new) |
| 23:12.39 | streuner | ChrisAlt: /msg dpkg wm |
| 23:12.42 | aarchie | SerajewelKS: I had thought (& read) that apt-get was smart enough to just get on with pulling in packages as needed to install things I ask for. |
| 23:12.42 | Kerr | SerajewelKS: I don't go to that uni, they supply net (at a cost) to my flat (private student accomodation) |
| 23:12.53 | Kerr | i'm considering reporting their conduct to ofcom. |
| 23:13.01 | SerajewelKS | Kerr: then get another isp. that kind of restriction should be illegal IMO. |
| 23:13.04 | Kerr | as they're an isp, claiming i'm a network client not a customer. |
| 23:13.12 | SerajewelKS | Kerr: it should not be their fucking business what is plugged into the wall. |
| 23:13.13 | Kerr | SerajewelKS: no phoneline; just an ethernet port. |
| 23:13.25 | ChrisAlt | streuner: thank you. |
| 23:13.50 | SerajewelKS | aarchie: it's not about if apt-get is smart enough, it's that when you put testing packages on a stable system, you might as well use testing -- there are no guarantees it will be stable anymore. |
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| 23:14.14 | SerajewelKS | Kerr: do they even give reasons for these stupid restrictions? |
| 23:14.25 | unstable | fglrx doesn't work... Here is my xorg.conf my uname -r my dpkg -al|grep -i xorg my dpkg -al|grep -i fglrx, and my Xorg.0.log ... What did I do wrong...why doesn't fglrx work? ... http://pastebin.com/596820 |
| 23:14.28 | Kerr | SerajewelKS: The unfair contract terms act of 1974 makes a lot of their terms illegal; if push came to shove, but i'm not about to cash out on taking them to court. |
| 23:14.33 | Kerr | SerajewelKS: no. |
| 23:14.50 | SerajewelKS | Kerr: drop them ASAP and get a sane ISP. |
| 23:15.08 | Kerr | they have ports 22,6666-6669 firewalled too; bittorrent also. |
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| 23:15.28 | Kerr | SerajewelKS: i can't. No phoneline, just a jack, that goes straight into their network. |
| 23:15.29 | aarchie | SerajewelKS: but if I only want the odd package such as gutenprint (need latest drivers) my thoughts were that I could keep the rest stable. For instance the network services I run will still get security updates. |
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| 23:15.31 | SerajewelKS | Kerr: what are you still here for? go fuck them over in court. |
| 23:15.39 | SerajewelKS | Kerr: move |
| 23:15.48 | Kerr | SerajewelKS: 12 month contract. |
| 23:15.49 | MyWay | it says fakeroot: command not found |
| 23:16.12 | SerajewelKS | Kerr: hey, if you're not willing to help yourself, there's not a whole lot i can do. complaining to me won't help you out. |
| 23:16.27 | SerajewelKS | MyWay: apt-get install fakeroot? |
| 23:16.32 | MyWay | thx |
| 23:17.27 | SerajewelKS | Kerr: if you can take them to court, the contract will be void |
| 23:17.49 | Bucciarati | taking people to court? |
| 23:17.56 | Kerr | i don't trust the network admins >.> half of them are win2k people.. when i tailgate through the security doors into their office they marketspeak some kind of strange language untill i leave.. the guys in the know use slackware though. |
| 23:17.56 | SerajewelKS | Kerr: assumuing you win, of course |
| 23:18.05 | Bucciarati | don't you have anything more useful to do ? |
| 23:18.15 | Kerr | SerajewelKS: the place i'm in contracts internet from the uni.. |
| 23:18.31 | MyWay | now: /usr/bin/fakeroot: line 150: make-jpkg: command not found |
| 23:18.35 | MyWay | why? |
| 23:18.36 | SerajewelKS | Kerr: stop giving me excuses and go whoop some ass |
| 23:18.43 | Kerr | their boss even has pointy hair ~.~ |
| 23:18.45 | Eulex | MyWay, /msg dpkg search |
| 23:18.47 | Kerr | pointy fucking hair. |
| 23:18.52 | SerajewelKS | MyWay: did you 'apt-get install java-package'? |
| 23:18.58 | MyWay | yes |
| 23:19.01 | Kerr | i can't talk to him without grinning like an idiot. |
| 23:19.20 | MyWay | now i have the package .bin and i'm trying using fakeroot |
| 23:19.46 | SerajewelKS | MyWay: make-jpkg *.bin |
| 23:20.07 | MyWay | SerajewelKS: same as before |
| 23:20.15 | SerajewelKS | MyWay: same what as before |
| 23:20.24 | MyWay | same error |
| 23:20.31 | Eulex | MyWay, dpkg -L java-package|grep make-jpkg? |
| 23:20.33 | SerajewelKS | MyWay: which one, you gave several |
| 23:20.36 | MyWay | this: /usr/bin/fakeroot: line 150: make-jpkg: command not found |
| 23:20.55 | SerajewelKS | MyWay: are you running 'fakeroot make-jpkg *.bin' or just 'make-jpkg *.bin'? |
| 23:21.07 | MyWay | fakeroot make-jpkg |
| 23:21.11 | SerajewelKS | MyWay: don't do that |
| 23:21.17 | MyWay | :O |
| 23:21.22 | MyWay | only make? |
| 23:21.41 | SerajewelKS | MyWay: or start a new shell so your path is updated, or something. i dunno. |
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| 23:21.52 | SerajewelKS | MyWay: what does 'which make-jpkg' say |
| 23:22.14 | MyWay | it says nothing |
| 23:22.17 | MyWay | nothing appear :P |
| 23:22.20 | SerajewelKS | MyWay: apt-get install java-package |
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| 23:22.25 | SerajewelKS | MyWay: you did not install it |
| 23:22.29 | MyWay | hm |
| 23:22.31 | Kerr | MyWay: err |
| 23:22.32 | MyWay | another time |
| 23:22.34 | Kerr | !blackdown |
| 23:22.35 | dpkg | blackdown kicks ass; they're java people for linux -- http://www.blackdown.org, or a group of Sun Java products ported to Linux by the Blackdown development team. Get it at http://www.blackdown.org/java-linux/mirrors.html, or most mirrors have aptable sections, or a group of folks who signed NDA's with Sun and got the JDK source code. they ported it to linux and put it up on blackdown.org, or shit, use java-package |
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| 23:28.15 | JRWR | im trying to install debian onto a hardrive that is on a ite 8212 card, can some on compile a driver for me for testing install 2.6.x |
| 23:28.24 | MyWay | how can i view where is java installed now? |
| 23:28.29 | tijn | brb |
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| 23:31.07 | SerajewelKS | MyWay: it's in /usr/lib/j2* |
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| 23:31.25 | Roey | hello |
| 23:31.40 | Roey | Anyoneh ere using snes9x-opengl on Debian amd64? |
| 23:31.44 | Roey | (sid amd64) |
| 23:31.45 | Eulex | MyWay, you could also do dpkg -L pkgname |
| 23:31.57 | MyWay | ok thanks |
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| 23:33.52 | quiet | jedit can do syntax highlighting right?? does anyone know how? |
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| 23:36.31 | _X-Treme | I bet this will tell you how, http://www.jedit.org/42docs/users-guide/index.html |
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| 23:36.45 | lws | Is there someplace where it's documented by init.d/iptables was deprecated? |
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| 23:37.08 | lws | I assume there was a good reason, so I'd like to know why before I go grab the old script and use it. |
| 23:37.18 | lws | It seems like alot of functionality was removed. |
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| 23:37.36 | master_of_master | hi, is there a tool, like 'lspci', for pcmcia? |
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| 23:38.21 | sekelsenmat | Hello, I am a newbie with Debian. I am trying to install libqt4-gui 4.1.1, but apt-get says it cannot find it |
| 23:38.31 | quiet | master_of_master: lspci displays pcmcia devices.. |
| 23:38.33 | Bucciarati | lws: perhaps in the package's Changelog.Debian.gz |
| 23:38.36 | Uberriffic | anyone know why...uh... start-stop-daemon doesn't create my $PIDFILE upong a successfull start? |
| 23:38.49 | lws | Bucciarati: it only states that it was deprecated, but not why |
| 23:38.54 | phogg | sekelsenmat: is qt4 even in unstable yet? |
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| 23:39.09 | lws | Bucciarati: which I find odd, because it was in many ways more powerful than the alternative given in the config |
| 23:39.09 | sekelsenmat | yes |
| 23:39.18 | Bucciarati | lws: not citing any bug or mailing list archive ? |
| 23:39.20 | sekelsenmat | phogg, http://brion.inria.fr/ara/show?package=26024 |
| 23:39.27 | sekelsenmat | I think it is |
| 23:39.28 | lws | Bucciarati: not as far as I saw |
| 23:39.32 | phogg | sekelsenmat: and your sources point to etch or sid? |
| 23:39.38 | gnufan | master_of_master: there is a status tool for pcmcia as well - try the relevant package -- it has ctl in the name if IIRC |
| 23:39.40 | Bucciarati | lws: mail the maintainer |
| 23:39.44 | sekelsenmat | errr ... where are my sources? |
| 23:40.09 | sekelsenmat | I know a lot about rpm-baseds, but nothing about debian ^^ |
| 23:40.29 | phogg | sekelsenmat: /etc/apt/sources.list. Also, read the debian basics thingy |
| 23:40.32 | sekelsenmat | etch? |
| 23:40.48 | Eulex | sekelsenmat, /msg dpkg releases |
| 23:40.49 | sekelsenmat | where is the debian basics thingy? |
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| 23:42.46 | paloooz | okay who wants to help me setup my tv-out |
| 23:42.54 | sekelsenmat | I have only two sources: |
| 23:42.55 | MyWay | i mounted an NTFS partition, but i can't join it, because of Permission, what can i do? |
| 23:42.55 | sekelsenmat | deb http://www.las.ic.unicamp.br/pub/debian/ stable main non-free contrib |
| 23:42.55 | sekelsenmat | deb-src http://www.las.ic.unicamp.br/pub/debian/ stable main non-free contrib |
| 23:43.15 | paloooz | heres what i want: i want the mouse to stay on the monitor, and i want videos i play in totem to play on the TV in fullscreen 640x480. |
| 23:43.38 | paloooz | with an nvidia 7800gt, i can only seem to get twinview working, and just tv working.. |
| 23:43.43 | Eulex | sekelsenmat, libqt4-gui is not in stable. |
| 23:43.48 | callan_ | I just did a dist-upgrade to etch and midway through it's giving me the error kernel-image-2.6-686 Depends: linux-image-2.6-686 but not going to be installed, udev Depends: hotplug |
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| 23:44.03 | loggygreg | MyWay: man mount search for ntfs ('/ NTFS') |
| 23:44.15 | sekelsenmat | Just changing that to unstable should work? |
| 23:44.25 | Eulex | sekelsenmat, /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 23:44.28 | JRWR | im trying to install debian onto a hardrive that is on a ite 8212 card, can some on compile a driver for me for testing install 2.6.x, a slipstreamed biz card netinstall would be really cool |
| 23:44.43 | MyWay | loggygreg i don't understand what you mean, can you explain it better please? |
| 23:44.43 | gnufan | callan_: udev needs a 2.6.12 or better - I think the error is non-fatal - if not just install relevant kernel package, and try again |
| 23:44.43 | Eulex | sekelsenmat, if you're new to debian, you do *not* want to run unstable. |
| 23:45.03 | paloooz | anyone gunna respond to me? |
| 23:45.14 | callan_ | gnufan: I've tried, it won't let me install anything until that error is fixed. |
| 23:45.15 | sekelsenmat | ahhh, but I need Qt 4.1.1 =) I'll just install qt and then go back to stable sources |
| 23:45.21 | Overand | Wow... I don't know if anyone was here before when I was complaining about slow SCP speeds |
| 23:45.30 | Overand | I just switched from the nforce4 onboard lan adapter to the marvell one |
| 23:45.36 | Overand | (or POSSIBLY the other way around |
| 23:45.39 | loggygreg | MyWay: man mount (and to search for a string type '/' and 'NTFS') see uid and gid |
| 23:45.42 | Overand | now instead of 66k/sec I'm getting 11 megs a sec |
| 23:45.42 | Overand | ahaha |
| 23:45.48 | Eulex | sekelsenmat, may or may not work. in any way, it's not recommended. |
| 23:46.03 | paloooz | the marvell is a gigabit lan, the nvidia is 10/100 |
| 23:46.07 | sekelsenmat | thanks for the hint |
| 23:46.07 | Overand | but that's on my client, which is the K word. Still doesn't explain some other issues |
| 23:46.19 | Overand | paloooz: take note. 66k/sec |
| 23:46.19 | Overand | that's not even 1 megabit |
| 23:46.26 | Overand | and the nvidia is actually 10/100/1000 from what i recall |
| 23:46.32 | MyWay | loggygreg: i mounted it in a folder that i created, but now i can't go inside it |
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| 23:46.33 | Overand | nForce 4 SLI |
| 23:46.36 | paloooz | i dunno, i have a dfi lp sli dr |
| 23:46.36 | gnufan | callan_: you try installing hotplug? |
| 23:46.45 | paloooz | the marvell is 10/100/1000 the nvidia is 10/100 |
| 23:46.47 | Eulex | Overand, crappy drivers? |
| 23:46.52 | Overand | Eulex: methinks |
| 23:47.03 | callan_ | gnufan: No, I'll try now. |
| 23:47.07 | Overand | it could have just been a fluke or misconfiguration in the K-word's networking thing |
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| 23:47.24 | Eulex | sekelsenmat, anyway, libqt4-gui is in testing too. |
| 23:47.24 | Overand | so 'knoppix issue' perhaps. just thought anyone who was here when i was complaining about it might be interested |
| 23:47.31 | Overand | the implication is that the problem is *not* my debian server |
| 23:47.37 | gnufan | callan_: really thing it doesn't matter hotplug/udev whatever works -- till you get near a complete upgrade, then you can pick what you want and it'll just work (as per normal). |
| 23:47.47 | JRWR | im trying to install debian onto a hardrive that is on a ite 8212 card, can some on compile a driver for me for testing install 2.6.x |
| 23:48.21 | JRWR | or find out a way to get the driver |
| 23:48.40 | paloooz | what chipset is it |
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| 23:48.41 | Overand | ite 8212? What is that? |
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| 23:48.48 | Overand | oh |
| 23:48.51 | Overand | IDE controller or sata? |
| 23:48.53 | Eulex | JRWR, what driver do you need? is it in any vanilla kernel or do you have to compile a module afterwards? |
| 23:48.54 | loggygreg | MyWay:use mount option uid or gid for example mount /dev/hda1 -t ntfs -o uid=1000 /media |
| 23:48.54 | Overand | (or scsi) |
| 23:48.57 | callan_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:49.22 | paloooz | http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0411.0/0664.html |
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| 23:49.55 | lws | anybody know how to get pam not to prompt multiple times for a password when one auth type fails on a multi-auth system? |
| 23:49.59 | Overand | damnit, palooz left just as i got a link for him/her |
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| 23:50.20 | lws | I would think that it would cache the password an pass it on to the next auth type, but apparently it just prompts again |
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| 23:51.55 | sekelsenmat | ok, I read the FAQs |
| 23:52.22 | sekelsenmat | one thing they don't say: Where can I find a list of repositories? |
| 23:52.34 | Eulex | !mirrors |
| 23:52.34 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian mirrors is use apt-setup, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror |
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| 23:53.02 | Eulex | sekelsenmat, ^^ |
| 23:53.02 | sekelsenmat | umm, thank you very much |
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| 23:53.11 | Eulex | sekelsenmat, yw :) |
| 23:53.38 | loggygreg | MyWay: that works ? |
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| 23:53.40 | JRWR | it821x drievr |
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| 23:54.01 | MyWay | hm i'm trying but i think i don't understand something |
| 23:54.01 | MyWay | :P |
| 23:54.16 | MyWay | it's always no permission |
| 23:54.30 | yassine | while trying to play some audion files i gets the error message: device /dev/dsp does not exsist how can solve this please ? |
| 23:54.44 | Eulex | yassine, what sound card? |
| 23:54.50 | Eulex | MyWay, when doing what? |
| 23:55.20 | yassine | Eulex, Intel Corp. 82801CA/CAM AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 23:55.23 | JRWR | Linux Driver (ATAPI, RAID) |
| 23:55.23 | JRWR | (support Mandrke 9.0~9.2, RedHat 7.3~9.0, RedHat advance 3.0, SuSe 8.2, Turbo Linux 8.0, others version and kernel 2.6.x please compile source code with your own kernel) |
| 23:55.23 | MyWay | Eulex i modified fstab adding umask=0000 for read ntfs, mounted the dev in a folder, but now when i try go inside it |
| 23:55.29 | MyWay | i receive: no permission |
| 23:55.49 | Eulex | !vfatrw |
| 23:55.49 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS, if you replace "vfat" with "ntfs" (although you can't currently easily _write_ to NTFS with Linux).. |
| 23:55.56 | Eulex | MyWay, ^^ |
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| 23:56.16 | loggygreg | Eulex: thanks |
| 23:56.27 | MyWay | what's VFAT? |
| 23:56.37 | sekelsenmat | The Windows partition type |
| 23:56.38 | JRWR | Fat32/fat16 |
| 23:56.52 | MyWay | i need for ntfs not fat32 |
| 23:56.53 | JRWR | what M$ used back in the olden days |
| 23:57.04 | Eulex | yassine, ok, I've got that one too. apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf. btw, what kernel? |
| 23:57.09 | MyWay | and not write permission only read |
| 23:57.11 | JRWR | HAHA writing to a ntfs drive |
| 23:57.21 | Eulex | MyWay, "This also applies to NTFS" |
| 23:57.25 | MyWay | ok |
| 23:57.40 | yassine | Eulex, Linux anttech 2.6.15 #1 Sat Mar 11 21:22:43 CET 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 23:57.43 | Eulex | MyWay, you should make it ro, though |
| 23:57.51 | JRWR | Eulex:anyway it just a 2.6.x driver as long as your compile it with your own kernel |
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| 23:58.33 | Eulex | JRWR, that is, it's not included in the vanilla kernel? |
| 23:58.55 | b0ing | omg, i having a issue with apache2 thats giving me cancer |
| 23:59.08 | *** part/#debian quiet (n=josh@12-221-136-51.client.insightBB.com) |
| 23:59.15 | b0ing | i cant kill it with /etc/init.d/apache2 stop |
| 23:59.15 | JRWR | in 2.6.13 it is |
| 23:59.19 | yassine | b0ing, your remedy should be in #apache :) |
| 23:59.26 | p8m | b0ing: Put the asbestos away and ask #apache |
| 23:59.26 | MyWay | hm, i added it but always the same |
| 23:59.35 | b0ing | no,no... i bet its debians rc fault |
| 23:59.38 | JRWR | i think, unstable detected it once |
| 23:59.38 | b0ing | i guess dunno |
| 23:59.41 | *** join/#debian Gokee2_Laptop (n=gokee2@24-113-12-97.wavecable.com) |
| 23:59.43 | mrec | does anyone own a hauppauge hvr 900 or terratec hybrid xs here? |
| 23:59.47 | JRWR | but you know how unstable is |
| 23:59.53 | JRWR | the installer crashed |
