| 00:00.08 | Eulex | !sarge 2.6.14 |
| 00:00.08 | dpkg | sarge 2.6.14 is probably http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/11/26#d-i-2614 |
| 00:00.09 | Eulex | !sarge 2.6.15 |
| 00:00.10 | dpkg | hmm... sarge 2.6.15 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm or for amd64/em64t http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615-amd64.htm |
| 00:00.13 | Eulex | JRWR, ^^ |
| 00:00.24 | useruser | b0ing: kill -9 it |
| 00:00.28 | JRWR | hrm, |
| 00:00.34 | JRWR | then its NOT detecting it |
| 00:00.39 | JRWR | but SuSe did?! |
| 00:00.42 | Eulex | JRWR, install sarge, then dist-upgrade to whatever you want. |
| 00:00.50 | b0ing | i kno, ill kill it that way... but the system is not able to stop apache2 anymore, its awful |
| 00:00.52 | Eulex | JRWR, ermh, what installer were you testing? |
| 00:00.54 | loggygreg | MyWay: what is your user id type id in a terminal ? |
| 00:01.03 | b0ing | it just hangs there with 5 or so apache processes |
| 00:01.05 | b0ing | _/usr/sbin/apache2 -k stop |
| 00:01.07 | JRWR | testing |
| 00:01.17 | b0ing | and this one i pasted above |
| 00:01.35 | useruser | b0ing: killall -9 apache2 |
| 00:01.47 | b0ing | useruser: i know how to kill it manually |
| 00:01.50 | MyWay | it's 0 |
| 00:01.57 | Eulex | JRWR, ok, the beta installer? I think that one's got a 2.6.15 kernel. that installer is probably buggy, though |
| 00:02.03 | b0ing | i wanted to use /etc/init.d/apache2 stop however |
| 00:02.15 | JRWR | ive tested the following |
| 00:02.25 | b0ing | debian tends to use that (apt, dpkg, scripts, etc...) |
| 00:02.36 | yassine | Eulex, i tried that i was unlucky :s |
| 00:02.39 | useruser | b0ing: are you saying it never works? or just this time? |
| 00:02.47 | loggygreg | MyWay: with the user that has to access the ntfs drive |
| 00:02.48 | JRWR | Sarge-netinstall, testing-netinstall unstable-netinstall, |
| 00:02.53 | b0ing | useruser: actually it used to work before |
| 00:02.53 | Eulex | yassine, well, what went wrong? |
| 00:03.11 | yassine | modinfo: could not find module snd-opl3sa2 |
| 00:03.17 | b0ing | i installed libapache2-mod-perl2 and "-php4 |
| 00:03.31 | useruser | b0ing: apache has probably got its knickers in a twist, and needs a good 'kill -9'ing |
| 00:03.31 | yassine | Eulex, and the following lines were also similar |
| 00:03.34 | Eulex | JRWR, the normal sarge netinstall has a 2.6.8 kernel. try those modified sarge netinstallers above |
| 00:03.41 | MyWay | loggygreg: what do you mean? |
| 00:03.43 | JRWR | ok |
| 00:03.50 | b0ing | and some other junk... and now it doesnt stop it anymore |
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| 00:04.03 | JRWR | k |
| 00:04.20 | kreg_work | anyone know vi substituion well? |
| 00:04.22 | Eulex | yassine, that is, it didn't find any pci card and tried probing for legacy ones? |
| 00:04.24 | loggygreg | MyWay: you can access the ntfs drive with root but not with your user, no ? |
| 00:04.34 | kreg_work | trying to delete a bunch of lines matching a pattern in the whole document |
| 00:04.34 | MyWay | i don't know, wait i check |
| 00:04.36 | Eulex | yassine, btw, is that kernel self-compiled? |
| 00:04.42 | yassine | Eulex, yes |
| 00:04.46 | b0ing | useruser: i figure i could put "killall apache2" or "kill -9 $(pidof apache2) " on the rc script... just didnt think that would be too elegant |
| 00:04.55 | useruser | b0ing: you should restart apache by whatever means necessary, and see if the problem goes away. if not, file a bug or debug the script |
| 00:04.55 | loggygreg | MyWay: uid=0 it's root uid |
| 00:04.58 | b0ing | if there was a problem i wanted to know |
| 00:05.01 | Eulex | yassine, are you sure that you included support for your sound card= |
| 00:05.02 | Eulex | ? |
| 00:05.03 | MyWay | yes loggygreg |
| 00:05.21 | yassine | Eulex, i think so :s let me check please |
| 00:05.23 | JRWR | man thats a slow server |
| 00:05.23 | MyWay | the user id is 1000 |
| 00:05.33 | JRWR | oh well, ill try it |
| 00:05.35 | JRWR | thx |
| 00:05.36 | b0ing | how many pids there should be in /var/run/apache2.pid |
| 00:05.37 | b0ing | 1? |
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| 00:05.44 | loggygreg | MyWay: type id in a terminal (not with root but your user) |
| 00:05.50 | MyWay | yes |
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| 00:05.51 | MyWay | it's 1000 |
| 00:06.01 | MyWay | uid=1000 |
| 00:06.13 | useruser | b0ing: not sure, but i have one |
| 00:06.33 | tiCo89 | tarzeau: already back? |
| 00:06.35 | loggygreg | MyWay: what is your ntfs drive hda1 ? |
| 00:06.55 | kreg_work | anyone konw a text editor coomand that can match lines according to a pattern, and delete them through a whole document? |
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| 00:07.00 | jshriver | what program do I use to enable the line-in? for recording? |
| 00:07.10 | MyWay | loggygreg: yes |
| 00:07.13 | useruser | kreg_work: emacs |
| 00:07.19 | useruser | kreg_work: or perl, sed etc etc |
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| 00:07.26 | yassine | Eulex, should it be an "M" or a "*" ? < > Advanced Linux Sound Architecture |
| 00:07.38 | Gokee2_Laptop | I am getting the message bad display name "Gokee2:0" in "remove" command then I try and startx. How do I fix that? |
| 00:07.39 | yassine | * is good right ? |
| 00:07.46 | Eulex | yassine, I don't think it matters. |
| 00:07.51 | yassine | okay |
| 00:08.12 | b0ing | well anyhow, i just read thru the lists that there was a apache2 stop issue when ssl was intalled or with suexec.... just wanted to know if anybody here knew anything about it |
| 00:08.24 | b0ing | thanks |
| 00:08.39 | loggygreg | MyWay: tyep in a terminal 'mount /dev/hda1 -t ntfs -o uid=1000 /mnt' |
| 00:08.48 | yassine | okay thnaks you guys im out for now |
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| 00:09.20 | loggygreg | MyWay: your user can now access this filesystem in /mnt |
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| 00:10.53 | MyWay | thanks loggygreg it works |
| 00:11.14 | MyWay | but i can't listen mp3, they go, but i can't listen :O |
| 00:12.37 | loggygreg | MyWay: use xmms |
| 00:13.14 | MyWay | ok |
| 00:13.48 | blondie | clean your ears |
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| 00:14.52 | loggygreg | blondie: :-) |
| 00:15.09 | montbazin | hello, I am looking for a Debian distri to be installed on an old pentium II pc, by putting the install image on a cd but booting with a floppy |
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| 00:15.43 | sekelsenmat | there is a debian-based that should work well |
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| 00:15.47 | sekelsenmat | Damn Small Linux |
| 00:16.16 | sekelsenmat | made for old computers |
| 00:16.29 | useruser | can't debian still be installed with boot floppies? |
| 00:16.33 | montbazin | where can I get this ? |
| 00:16.47 | sekelsenmat | http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ |
| 00:16.51 | montbazin | is there an Xwindow included ? |
| 00:16.57 | sekelsenmat | yes |
| 00:17.10 | sekelsenmat | and only 50MB |
| 00:17.53 | montbazin | and how do I get the image file to create a boot floppy ? |
| 00:17.58 | gnufan | useruser: AFAIK yes it can. The install guide is pretty comprehensive |
| 00:19.01 | montbazin | merci beaucoup... thanx a lot - I'll try that out |
| 00:19.27 | gnufan | montbazin: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en |
| 00:21.02 | nvz | I am definatly not going to work tonight.. the bus stops running 13 blocks away and I am not riding my bike or walking that far when its gonna be raining like a bastard and windy as hell |
| 00:21.07 | montbazin | OK I will try this out. how do I have to partition the HD ? |
| 00:21.47 | gnufan | montbazin: Ah it all comes back -- I did a 3 floppy install, then network finish (but you could use CD instead). There is no specific way to partition the disk because it is a floppy install, however you would like to do it. |
| 00:22.10 | b0ing | useruser: check this out.... with apache2-mpm-prefork, install libapache2-mod-perl2 and libapache2-mod-php4 and your apache2 rc will refuse to stop or reload |
| 00:22.25 | gnufan | montbazin: how much disk space on the machine? |
| 00:22.38 | useruser | b0ing: nice. please report the bug |
| 00:22.44 | mrwoody | hi *. Is there a way to load modules automatically (e.g. load it when a device is used) |
| 00:23.12 | montbazin | i dont know exactly, 2 or 3 Go |
| 00:23.36 | b0ing | useruser: its saturday night damnit |
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| 00:23.55 | gnufan | montbazin: should be ample.... Debian will go into less than a GB if you don't need anything fancy - but obviously things like DSL are smaller still. |
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| 00:24.01 | nekostar | installing stuff bbiab |
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| 00:24.51 | gnufan | mrwoody: some devices "just work", otherwise things like "hotplug" and/or "udev".. what sort of devices are you playing with? |
| 00:25.03 | montbazin | the only thing I would like to get is a very simple Xwindow and later maybe install Apache and PHP |
| 00:25.47 | montbazin | But Apache and PHP is not absolutely necessary. Its just for testing purposes |
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| 00:26.06 | mrwoody | gnufan: e.g. a printer . But I would like the module to be loaded only when I need it, not when I plug it in |
| 00:26.08 | gnufan | montbazin: go for it -- only thing I remember about the floppy install was a few extra floppy changes than in a perfect world, but basically it is the same, and it prompts for things. |
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| 00:26.15 | mrwoody | gnufan: also something like usb-storage |
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| 00:26.59 | montbazin | great gnufan - many thanx for your help |
| 00:27.09 | useruser | tarzeau: i found the problem with dpid in dillo - I had an old dpid in /usr/local/bin which was getting executed |
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| 00:27.26 | Limoncelli | Can someone tell me what "D41D8CD98F00B204E9800998ECF8427E" is ? |
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| 00:27.57 | looksaus | help! my test machine locks up after succesfully running the installer with nodma and noacpi |
| 00:28.14 | useruser | Limoncelli: it's a large number |
| 00:28.40 | looksaus | via chipset related, probably, and I suspect dma problems with the CD-RW to be responsible |
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| 00:28.46 | Limoncelli | user: There's something behind it, something mysterious |
| 00:28.52 | Limoncelli | see: http://www.google.com/search?q=D41D8CD98F00B204E9800998ECF8427E+debian |
| 00:28.53 | looksaus | any ideas? |
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| 00:28.58 | useruser | Limoncelli: 281949768489412648962353822266799178366 according to bc |
| 00:29.10 | montbazin | Limoncelli: maybe its a crypted password |
| 00:29.31 | useruser | Limoncelli: almost certainly an md5 checksum |
| 00:29.36 | Limoncelli | correct |
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| 00:29.48 | Limoncelli | but all kinds of sites claim that's a checksum |
| 00:29.59 | nvz | imagine tha |
| 00:30.00 | nvz | t |
| 00:30.02 | Limoncelli | for all kinds of different files |
| 00:30.02 | useruser | Limoncelli: ... of the empty file? |
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| 00:30.24 | useruser | Limoncelli: md5sum < /dev/null |
| 00:30.27 | nvz | all kinds of sites claim GWB is the president of the united states.. must be something mysterious going on |
| 00:30.39 | zinx | nvz: astroturfing |
| 00:30.49 | ttick | Is there a prefered way to do FS encryption? loop-aes? or dmcrypt? or EncFS? |
| 00:30.57 | nvz | zinx: I fucking, knew it.. bastards |
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| 00:31.02 | zinx | ttick: yep |
| 00:31.10 | zinx | ttick: and everyone has their OWN preference. |
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| 00:31.44 | gnufan | Limoncelli: we need a better mystery now. |
| 00:32.08 | nvz | even the pup named scooby doo could figure that one out |
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| 00:32.35 | ttick | Limoncelli: Hey, Tom, try giving us some context for it. |
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| 00:33.17 | gnufan | ttick: do catch up ;) |
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| 00:35.10 | ttick | gnufan: hard to catch up, waiting for the lag of my cryptofs to catch up. ;) |
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| 00:35.31 | gnufan | useruser: lots of known strings have that property -- but does anyone know the strings have that property |
| 00:35.36 | Nopalin | any one knows a howto to configure my hp ipaq? |
| 00:35.58 | useruser | gnufan: you mean their existence has been proven? |
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| 00:36.46 | gnufan | useruser: no - I'm rashly guessing md5 is a good hash ;) I can feel a script coming on. |
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| 00:39.21 | resiak | gnufan: I believe that md5 is being quite successfully broken |
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| 00:40.02 | acera | How to find word "teske" on text files? |
| 00:40.17 | gnufan | resiak: sure but I bet it has all the other properties of a good hash function, which means it will use the whole (or most of it's space). |
| 00:40.25 | resiak | gnufan: Right |
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| 00:40.42 | Sonny | !synaptics |
| 00:40.42 | dpkg | [synaptics] http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/index.html#Download, or for synaptics support in x install xfree86-driver-synaptics, or try modprobe -r psmouse ; modprobe psmouse if its not working |
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| 00:40.53 | resiak | It's really, really cool |
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| 00:41.46 | Sonny | hi, I have installed the xfree86-driver-synaptics pkg for my touchpad.. and it become slow and the tapping doesnt work... how can I configure it? |
| 00:41.55 | zinx | there's a 1 in 12564927.51965832466545784501 chance of all 0-9 in md5 |
| 00:42.05 | zinx | shouldn't take too long to come up with something. |
| 00:42.10 | nvz | heh |
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| 00:42.31 | resiak | Sonny: man synaptics |
| 00:42.38 | zinx | i may be wrong, it may be a greater chance :/ |
| 00:42.54 | resiak | Sonny: set SHMConfig, then play around with synclient. |
| 00:42.57 | nvz | acera: grep "teske" /path/to/text.files |
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| 00:44.22 | Sonny | resiak, I didnt understand... can you explain me better? |
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| 00:45.18 | resiak | Sonny: read `man synaptics`. One of the options it tells you you can set is `Option "SHMConfig" "yes"` --- set that, and then you can experiment with synclient (`man synclient` for more info) to find the best settings |
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| 00:46.01 | sral77 | hi, is there any X gui for transcode? |
| 00:46.10 | Sonny | ok thanks, is there any gui to configure it? |
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| 00:46.37 | resiak | you can use apt-cache search just as well as I can :-) |
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| 00:48.00 | stew | sral77: dvdrip |
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| 00:48.14 | toresbe | hey guys... |
| 00:48.21 | Scognito | i'm becoming crazy with this error: "Fontconfig error: Cannot load default config file" |
| 00:48.28 | tarzeau | useruser: aha |
| 00:48.32 | tarzeau | tiCo89: yes |
| 00:48.35 | toresbe | I'm having a probl.. hang on, I forgot to Google |
| 00:48.35 | Scognito | i've reinstalled debian yesteday |
| 00:48.44 | Scognito | and got this problem |
| 00:49.12 | sral77 | resiak: sorry, searched for transcoder, for some stupid reason. Found several now. |
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| 00:49.36 | resiak | sral77: I wasn't really talking to you, but glad I helped :) |
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| 00:50.17 | sam__ | why do my fonts look like crap? |
| 00:51.05 | tiCo89 | tarzeau: found something? ;-( |
| 00:51.07 | tiCo89 | ;-) |
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| 00:51.19 | tarzeau | tiCo89: no nothing special |
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| 00:51.54 | useruser | there we go. the string '2.30860476516497e+20' has a deceptively decimal-looking md5sum |
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| 00:52.18 | iciclebox | why is it that I tried to chown all the files in my Windows drive, but I was denied permission even as root. |
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| 00:52.33 | maatttt | hi all |
| 00:52.38 | resiak | because windows filesystems don't support unix permissions |
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| 00:52.43 | resiak | !tell iciclebox -about vfatrw |
| 00:52.54 | maatttt | I can login as myself to my ftp server, but I just created a new user and they cannot login ? |
| 00:53.00 | Limoncelli | !tell limoncelli -about vfatrw |
| 00:53.03 | maatttt | do I have to grant perms ? |
| 00:53.06 | a_monkey | quick question, my brain is asleep here, how do i make a directory in the terminal >< |
| 00:53.06 | useruser | acera: use grep |
| 00:53.15 | useruser | a_monkey: mkdir foo |
| 00:53.19 | acera | useruser, thanks |
| 00:53.22 | a_monkey | thanks >< |
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| 00:53.39 | karsten | maatttt: IIUC most ftpds manage users/perms independently of /etc/passwd. |
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| 00:53.52 | karsten | maatttt: ... possibly with an allow/deny syntax. Which ftpd? |
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| 00:54.28 | maatttt | karsten: i'm not sure... |
| 00:54.53 | karsten | maatttt: I'm less sure. |
| 00:55.00 | a_monkey | how do i grant SSH access to a homefolder? |
| 00:55.11 | karsten | maatttt: dpkg --get-selections | grep ftp |
| 00:55.14 | karsten | a_monkey: Sorry? |
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| 00:55.39 | karsten | a_monkey: You don't. SSH follows filesystem perms. Whose home and which SSH user? |
| 00:55.40 | tuxillo | hi! :D |
| 00:55.43 | maatttt | karsten: yeah, I did that but it just says ftp, not ftpd |
| 00:55.57 | toresbe | I can't get the tftpd to pick up the phone.... |
| 00:56.05 | karsten | maatttt: check /etc/inetd.conf for an ftp entry. |
| 00:56.07 | maatttt | wrong server |
| 00:56.08 | a_monkey | got a bud who needs some storage for some backupdocuments and thought id make him a useraccount and set up SSH privledges to his homefolder only |
| 00:56.13 | toresbe | 01:52:19.103735 IP simula.55979 > 255.255.255.255.tftp: 17 RRQ "C0A80167" octet |
| 00:56.34 | a_monkey | or is it automaticly generated upon accountgeneration |
| 00:56.49 | karsten | a_monkey: Ah: you want no shell login, but scp access. |
| 00:57.00 | a_monkey | okies |
| 00:57.02 | tuxillo | I'm in trouble with smbfs. I got three machines. machine 2 is sharing a resource via samba. when I try to mount this resource on machine 3 it works (it puts exec permision as it is set in the original files) but when I mount from machine 1 it doesn't work! any clues? thanks |
| 00:57.02 | karsten | a_monkey: ... or do you mind if he's got shell as well? |
| 00:57.04 | toresbe | That runs infinitely, but nothing happens after the RRQ. |
| 00:57.17 | a_monkey | no, scp will do just fine |
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| 00:57.45 | karsten | a_monkey: If you give him shell, he'll get ssh by default. I'd recommend you allow pubkey access only and get a key from him. Password sniffing's getting too common these days. |
| 00:58.13 | dBgBdWolf | is there still a need for debian debian non-US entries in my apt sources nowadays? |
| 00:58.21 | toresbe | I've tried it from localhost too, with packet tracing |
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| 00:58.25 | karsten | a_monkey: scp is a special case of ssh, so if he's got a shell and ssh he's got scp. Not sure offhand of any way to provide _just_ scp access, but the Snail Book (O'Reilly) may have some suggestions. |
| 00:58.26 | toresbe | *nothing* happens since the RRQ. |
| 00:58.35 | karsten | dBgBdWolf: Not for release >= sarge |
| 00:58.47 | toresbe | I've tried both of these tftpd lines in inetd.conf |
| 00:58.48 | toresbe | tftp dgram udp wait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd in.tftpd /tftpboot |
| 00:58.49 | dBgBdWolf | right, thought so |
| 00:58.53 | toresbe | and tftp dgram udp wait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s |
| 00:58.54 | karsten | !tell dBgBdWolf about non-us |
| 00:59.25 | dBgBdWolf | thanks |
| 00:59.48 | a_monkey | karsten, i just want him to be restricted in scp to his homefolder only, not beeing able to go around in the filesystem |
| 01:00.18 | karsten | a_monkey: Suggest you google for possible solutions. None come immediately to mind. |
| 01:00.30 | a_monkey | alrighty. |
| 01:00.58 | a_monkey | my local linuxguru has done it to some other accounts on my linuxbox, so its possible im sure :) |
| 01:01.01 | SerajewelKS | a_monkey: generally, you can't do that. and on a properly set up system you shouldn't need to make that restriction. |
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| 01:01.25 | karsten | a_monkey: Suggest ou look at those account configs |
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| 01:01.52 | Sonny | resiak: how can I set SHMConfig "on"? |
| 01:01.57 | dBgBdWolf | karsten: great, thanks |
| 01:02.17 | Storkme | can anyone talk me through synchronizing two directories in two different computers? (e.g. adding/changing/removing a file in one would do the same on the other). do i need rsync or drsync? or neither? |
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| 01:04.21 | juice` | does anyone know any basic (as basic as it is possible) cluster solution? |
| 01:04.48 | chealer | Storkme: instant synchronization or once in a while? |
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| 01:07.25 | Storkme | chealer, err, why does it matter? i would settle for like every 10 minutes or so |
| 01:07.39 | karsten | juice`: Solution depends on the problem. |
| 01:08.06 | juice` | karsten: problem is performance for free hosting |
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| 01:08.31 | karsten | juice`: Beowulf, queueing, Mosix, layer 3/4 balancing, load management, failover. |
| 01:08.35 | juice` | karsten: i don't know much about clustering, trying to google something. I was wondering about some simple project |
| 01:08.48 | karsten | juice`: At what level? httpd, database, CGI? |
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| 01:09.04 | deadcat_ | karsten: where you at? |
| 01:09.10 | juice` | karsten: i thought there is some higher level possible |
| 01:09.11 | karsten | juice`: Service-level clustering or load management are likely what you want. |
| 01:09.24 | chealer | Storkme: you can use either if it doesn't need to be instant. rsync is made to synchronize two directories when requested, not to keep them synchronized when any change ocurs. |
| 01:09.25 | karsten | deadcat_: home. May head to CABAL later. |
| 01:09.45 | juice` | karsten: i know about mod for apache that can do that, but i thought there are projects that will cover also ftp for example. |
| 01:09.51 | maatttt | karsten: thanks, sorted. I had the wrong server. |
| 01:09.57 | karsten | juice`: There is. Depends, really, on what problem you're trying to solve, which you still haven't suficiently detailed. |
| 01:10.01 | maatttt | thanks #debian. again. |
| 01:10.02 | karsten | maatttt: That could well do it. |
| 01:10.08 | deadcat_ | karsten: me too. i just came back from running with my friend. see you there |
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| 01:10.11 | karsten | deadcat_: OK. |
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| 01:10.51 | juice` | karsten: i have 1 server that offers free hosting, i want to buy another one and make one cluster. i offer mail, ftp, http, so those services need to be 'clustered'. |
| 01:11.07 | Storkme | chealer, ah, okay. then what's drsync? i heard that there was some sort of server daemon i could run which would synchronize the directories but i can't remember. |
| 01:11.15 | juice` | karsten: no need to make a cluster from database, as i don't offer it |
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| 01:11.41 | karsten | juice`: Several front-end servers backed by shared storage sounds like what you'd want. |
| 01:11.59 | juice` | karsten: yes |
| 01:12.21 | juice` | karsten: but i can have only 2 servers. |
| 01:12.37 | karsten | juice`: Round-robin rotation of your basic services (smtp, http, ftp) would distribute load in a simple but generally sufficient basis. |
| 01:12.45 | chealer | Storkme: synchronize them at every change? according to the package description, drsync, is just a wrapper around rsync |
| 01:12.51 | karsten | juice`: Make one of them services + disk, the other just services. |
| 01:13.08 | karsten | juice`: What performance limits are you currently hitting? Or do you know that you're hitting such limits? |
| 01:13.19 | karsten | juice`: Premature optimization is the root of all system design evil. |
| 01:13.19 | Storkme | chealer, well, you said that rsync just synchronized when you told it to? |
| 01:13.44 | juice` | karsten: not possible, i'm bying at cheap rates dedicated servers, and they are standard with lot of HD and ram and cpu, that's why i have to use some kind of cluster |
| 01:13.57 | juice` | karsten: i will have 2 exactly the same servers |
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| 01:14.12 | Azar | for once McAfee a/v engine did it right: detected ms excell and other ms apps as viruses :) |
| 01:14.12 | juice` | karsten: so i have to use disks from both, RAM from both, cpu power from both and so on |
| 01:14.43 | juice` | karsten: i would do few servers, 1 for mail, 1 for ftp and apache 1 for something more if i could, but thats not possible |
| 01:15.04 | juice` | karsten: so i will have 2 exactly the same servers with the same resouces which i have to divide upon all services i offer |
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| 01:16.05 | karsten | juice`: Um. You have to configure both systems identically software-wise per your colo agreement? I don't understand. |
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| 01:16.20 | juice` | karsten: curently i have 50% HD taken up (more than 200GB), but already hitting 3-4 LA becouse apache is eating a lot of CPU. this is opteron 148, i installed eaccelerator for php but i think there are many other things i can optimize even more |
| 01:16.40 | Thanatermesis | OT: exist an aproximately statistics of the % of ppl of use linux and the % of ppl of use win* ? |
| 01:16.50 | karsten | juice`: Sounds like your problem boils down to 1) round-robin or other allocation of services. 2) file sync or share between systems. |
| 01:16.58 | juice` | karsten: well, yes, those will be 2 identical servers, so i have to divide their resouces evenly |
| 01:16.59 | beered | while back I apt-get installed kernel 2.6.15.1. I don't use it anymore, but everytime I apt-get upgrade it downloads to my computer. Is there a way to fix apt database so that I don't get this kernel and it's modules everytime I upgrade? |
| 01:17.42 | karsten | juice`: Um. Either you're mistaken or you've defined your way out of any reasonable solution. I'm tapped out. Thanks, have a nice day. |
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| 01:18.46 | Azar | Thanatermesis: wait until the new ms comes out: see how many will rush to linux :) |
| 01:18.59 | chealer | Storkme: yes, that's what I said. whatever you understood, I didn't mean that rsync/drsync synchronized "dynamically" |
| 01:19.17 | Storkme | right |
| 01:19.17 | juice` | karsten: well, the situation is simple, i just gave 2 exactly the same servers, from which i have to make a cluster. |
| 01:19.27 | Thanatermesis | muahahaaha Azar |
| 01:19.33 | juice` | karsten: i don't get, so which solution would be the best for me? |
| 01:19.36 | Thanatermesis | but vista is good ! |
| 01:19.37 | Storkme | chealer, so i'd have to write a script that used rsync and put it in maybe cron.daily ? |
| 01:19.38 | karsten | juice`: Have a nice day, thanks. |
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| 01:19.45 | Storkme | or cron.hourly |
| 01:19.47 | Thanatermesis | we have then more powered hardware in low price soon ;) |
| 01:20.09 | SerajewelKS | Thanatermesis: please discuss vista in another channel |
| 01:20.18 | alex__ | how do you add a window manager to gdm? |
| 01:20.28 | Thanatermesis | sorry SerajewelKS, i dont speak more :) |
| 01:20.34 | Azar | Thanatermesis: I am super, over happy with Debian linux thank you. Abandoned ms three years ago |
| 01:20.40 | karsten | alec: Installing a new WM and restarting gdm should work IIRC. |
| 01:20.51 | juice` | karsten: why you even start conversation if you end it like this... whatever.. |
| 01:21.01 | Thanatermesis | hehehe, don't worry Azar, im same ;) |
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| 01:21.09 | chealer | Storkme: looks like an idea. I'm trying to start using rsync too |
| 01:21.15 | Storkme | chealer, my main concern is that it doesn't overwrite the same file - i can use scp to transfer the files hourly but it updates regardless if it's the same, and it's 3.5gb worth of stuff, so it can take a LONG time |
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| 01:22.40 | alexPerson | please, how do you add a window manager to gdm? |
| 01:22.52 | chealer | Storkme: yeah |
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| 01:23.01 | Azar | hehe on 03/10/06 they wrote about gnupg bug, one hour later I got the patch :) |
| 01:23.28 | SerajewelKS | Azar: which bug |
| 01:23.48 | Azar | SerajewelKS: do update you going to see it: gnupg |
| 01:23.54 | nonent | does anybody know a way to tell inetd to only bind to certain interfaces? (or to bind a certain service only to an interface?) |
| 01:24.00 | Azar | http://news.com.com/2100-1002_3-6048612.html?part=rss&tag=6048612&subj=news |
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| 01:24.10 | nonent | can't seem to find anything int he man pages about it |
| 01:24.38 | karsten | juice`: If you're going to define your situation in a way that precludes solution, I'm not interested in extended conversation. Sorry, that's the breaks. Happy researching. |
| 01:24.40 | SerajewelKS | Azar: what? |
| 01:25.44 | Azar | SerajewelKS: what .. what? |
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| 01:27.25 | SerajewelKS | Azar: dist-upgrade after update does not show gnupg |
| 01:27.59 | rxed | sime time ago I apt-get installed a kernel. I don't use it anymore but for some reason everytime I upgrade it downloads again with its modules. Is there a way to clean the database so that this old kernel is not upgraded when I dselect-upgrade this computer/ |
| 01:28.07 | rxed | sime = some |
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| 01:28.34 | Azar | SerajewelKS: just a regular update/upgrade I did it yesterday afternoon and I got gnupg upgraded |
| 01:28.54 | Azar | SerajewelKS: ah I use Sarge.... |
| 01:29.31 | SerajewelKS | Azar: either testing hasn't been updated in a few days or my mirror is stale anyway |
| 01:29.58 | afed | i upgraded from stable to unstable, and now instead of having the desktop span both monitors, it shows the same desktop on each. ati video card, xinerama... |
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| 01:31.03 | Azar | SerajewelKS: maybe you can grab it from debian site |
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| 01:34.03 | ke6isf | o.O |
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| 01:35.40 | ke6isf | !test |
| 01:35.53 | notroot | i keep getting perl warnings about locale not being set....where can i set it? |
| 01:35.54 | Azar | hi ke6isf |
| 01:35.56 | ke6isf | heya Azar |
| 01:36.02 | ke6isf | ...the bot's dead, isn't it? |
| 01:36.15 | dondelelcaro | notroot: dpkg-reconfigure locales. |
| 01:36.18 | asg | !are you alive |
| 01:36.26 | Azar | ke6isf: it was tired a bit yesterday.. |
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| 01:36.35 | Azar | it might be down |
| 01:36.38 | dondelelcaro | !status |
| 01:36.38 | dpkg | Since Thu Mar 9 03:37:47 2006, there have been 15 modifications, 1249 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 376 commands. I have been awake for 2d 21h 58m 51s this session, and currently reference 34073 factoids. I'm using about 15272 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 430.53/23.77 child 0.01/0.02 |
| 01:36.41 | asg | Azar: it isn't |
| 01:36.43 | Azar | !beer dondelecaro |
| 01:36.43 | ke6isf | There it is! |
| 01:36.48 | Azar | :) |
| 01:36.53 | Azar | hi asg :) |
| 01:36.54 | notroot | localse is broken or not fully installed |
| 01:36.56 | asg | Azar: hiya |
| 01:37.00 | ke6isf | was gonna hand dondelelcaro a defibrillator. |
| 01:37.04 | dondelelcaro | notroot: well, your best bet is to install it... |
| 01:37.19 | notroot | roger. |
| 01:37.34 | dondelelcaro | (or set your locale to C) |
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| 01:39.19 | beered | how can I find dev number of an external drive? (firewire) |
| 01:39.31 | notroot | dmesg |grep sd |
| 01:39.33 | notroot | maybe |
| 01:39.51 | beered | no, that's not it. |
| 01:39.58 | ke6isf | dondelelcaro: dpkg does not seem to be responding to /msg, is this expected behavior? |
| 01:40.13 | asg | ke6isf: it's responding here |
| 01:40.28 | ke6isf | asg: ...that's kinda weird. |
| 01:40.31 | SerajewelKS | ke6isf: he responds to /msg here |
| 01:40.37 | Storkme | chealer, how come it still takes an incredibly long time to do 'rsync -v ./music/* alex@192.168.0.3:/home/alex/music/' ? it's taking pretty much as long as scp does |
| 01:40.59 | ke6isf | bleah. |
| 01:41.03 | Storkme | chealer, ignore that! |
| 01:41.06 | SerajewelKS | ke6isf: you need to be in #debian or #debian-bots to use /msg with it |
| 01:41.23 | asg | SerajewelKS: he is in #debian |
| 01:41.25 | ke6isf | SerajewelKS: Since I'm here in #debian.... |
| 01:41.43 | SerajewelKS | asg: he joined about the tim he did !test, assumed he was using /msg prior to that |
| 01:41.47 | SerajewelKS | ke6isf: and /msg still doesn't work? |
| 01:41.55 | ke6isf | SerajewelKS: NOpe. |
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| 01:42.03 | SerajewelKS | ke6isf: hrm, dunno =/ |
| 01:42.25 | asg | SerajewelKS: true though sometimes the bot will ignore people :) |
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| 01:42.58 | ke6isf | Well, I got a bit hotheaded the other night, maybe it's a side effect of that. |
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| 01:44.54 | Delmar | Can anyone tell me if there is support for the Promise Technology, Inc. PDC20378 (FastTrak 378/SATA 378) with kernel 2.6.x etc? I have been googling around for a couple of hours and all I can find so far is some older stuff for 2.4.x. anyone had any experience with a FastTrak 378? |
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| 01:46.58 | afed | Delmar: 2.6 should include a driver |
| 01:47.08 | afed | i think i've seen that on the list |
| 01:47.26 | Coweater | The device name for my usb stick isn't showing up after inserting (dmesg output http://channels.debian.net/paste/2041 ), what am i missing? |
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| 01:47.37 | Delmar | afed, so you would think |
| 01:48.12 | Delmar | afed, but clearly it doesnt. I have compiled in all the promise drivers both scsi/sata and non-sata. |
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| 01:48.29 | afed | sucks :( |
| 01:48.34 | Delmar | indeed |
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| 01:49.07 | Delmar | there have been drivers around for this for 2.4 kernels since 2003 or so. |
| 01:49.18 | Delmar | makes no sense why the support hasnt made it into the tree. |
| 01:49.45 | afed | perhaps they are binary drivers provided by promis? |
| 01:49.45 | Delmar | Promise GPL'd the driver back in 2003 also. |
| 01:49.47 | afed | oh |
| 01:49.53 | Delmar | afed, used to be |
| 01:50.00 | Delmar | afed, and those are still available |
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| 01:50.42 | Delmar | afed, I found this kernel patch mentioned in this article...http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0307.2/2042.html |
| 01:50.50 | nzx | hey, i have soubnd working, but kmix wont change volume, what can i do ? |
| 01:51.03 | Delmar | but that appears to be a kernel 2.4 patch and I cant anything like that for 2.6 |
| 01:51.16 | afed | have you examined the patch for clues? |
| 01:51.37 | asg | Delmar: ##kernelnewbies is another potential resource |
| 01:51.48 | afed | ## |
| 01:51.49 | afed | lol |
| 01:52.04 | asg | afed: standard for freenode for certain channels |
| 01:52.20 | afed | yep |
| 01:52.39 | Delmar | asg, thanks. I have been comiling and patching kernels since 1995. so i dont think i will fit in :P |
| 01:53.40 | asg | Delmar: maybe but kernel patches are not the domain of #debian. I was only pointing out an alternate, on-topic resource. |
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| 01:54.22 | afed | Delmar: could it be the driver that shows up under block devices instead of the ata section or scsi section? |
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| 01:55.08 | Delmar | actually, im thinking the support IS in the kernel but its not addressing the drive with is PATA on that controler. looks like the fasttrak 378 handles both pata and sata raid, and im trying to get a non-sata drive working on that. |
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| 01:55.20 | Delmar | afed, could be... explain? |
| 01:55.30 | afed | try using that driver??? |
| 01:55.41 | Delmar | afed, oh sorry. click. no |
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| 01:55.48 | Seb__ | where on netcraft.com can you see like the OSes with the highest uptimes ? |
| 01:55.55 | freebse | hi is anyone using xgl on testing ? the kde taskbar is not working correctly with it |
| 01:55.59 | Seb__ | this is driving me nuts i've been looking for like 15 minutes |
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| 01:56.07 | asg | Seb__: try #debian-kde |
| 01:56.14 | Seb | asg: huh ? |
| 01:56.15 | freeone3000 | Alrighty. I have a supported printer. It is recognized by cups. It is set up using kprinter. It appears to be working fine. |
| 01:56.21 | freeone3000 | However, the printer is not spitting out pages. |
| 01:56.31 | asg | Seb: try #debian-kde (and don't ask a question and then change your nick) |
| 01:56.32 | Delmar | afed, i will keep looking. im sure the answer will be googleable. |
| 01:56.40 | afed | yep |
| 01:56.49 | freeone3000 | lpstat says that it's idle, even though I added a print job through lp and another through kprinter |
| 01:56.51 | Seb | asg: how does this relate to KDE in any way |
| 01:57.04 | SerajewelKS | asg: you mean freebse |
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| 01:57.10 | Seb | asg: and I changed to my registered nick as I just noticed it got changed |
| 01:57.30 | asg | SerajewelKS: I'm totally wacky tonight |
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| 01:57.40 | asg | Seb: apologies about the #debian-kde thing. |
| 01:57.47 | freebse | Seb: it is not |
| 01:57.56 | Seb | asg: heh :) so where did that come from anyway ? :D |
| 01:58.21 | asg | Seb: honestly, I don't have a clue. Tiredness most likely. |
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| 01:58.59 | chealer | Seb: see wikipedia |
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| 01:59.27 | xptek | Hmm, anyone know what would cause ntpd/rdate to not be able to set the correct time? (Running it as root) |
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| 01:59.36 | dondelelcaro | ke6isf: you were using the bot to abuse people by proxy... so it's ignored you. |
| 01:59.44 | Seb | chealer: hmm ? |
| 01:59.46 | asg | Seb: http://uptime.netcraft.com/ |
| 02:00.09 | gnufan | xptek: being too far in error (time wise) |
| 02:00.10 | Seb | asg: yeah, got there, but i can't find the 'sort by uptimes' |
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| 02:00.19 | xptek | gnufan: How would I fix that? |
| 02:00.20 | xptek | vm06:/home/crungeirc# ntpdate time.nist.gov |
| 02:00.20 | xptek | 12 Mar 04:03:49 ntpdate[17969]: step time server 192.43.244.18 offset -3839.906450 sec |
| 02:00.20 | xptek | vm06:/home/crungeirc# uptime |
| 02:00.20 | xptek | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:00.31 | xptek | heh. |
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| 02:00.54 | ke6isf | dondelelcaro: Understood. |
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| 02:01.23 | edward0 | anyone know a command line tool that I can use to display info about wav files like their length etc..? |
| 02:01.33 | Azar | xptek I got a small app that gets me the time sync |
| 02:01.36 | asg | Seb: http://uptime.netcraft.net/up/today/top.avg.html |
| 02:01.45 | xptek | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2042 |
| 02:01.46 | xptek | ^ |
| 02:01.55 | gnufan | xptek: and when you run the command ntpdate again? |
| 02:02.10 | edward0 | I don't want to open each *.wav file in a player just to see the length, wanted to script this |
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| 02:02.30 | xptek | gnufan: Well, the time still isn't correct. |
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| 02:02.58 | tux | hi |
| 02:03.05 | edward0 | hi tux |
| 02:03.06 | xptek | gnufan: Looks like it hasn't changed at all. |
| 02:03.10 | gnufan | xptek: yes but what is the offset? |
| 02:03.10 | asg | edward0: the sox package probably has a utility to do that |
| 02:03.16 | tux | ldconfig: /usr/lib/libGLcore.so.1.0.8178 is not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic bytes at the start. |
| 02:03.17 | Azar | xptek: you could install midnightcommander (mc) |
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| 02:03.26 | edward0 | asg: thanks :) |
| 02:03.46 | tux | what's the matter? when I use aptitude, the warning above occurs. thanks. |
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| 02:03.54 | xptek | Offset is -3839.914851 sec |
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| 02:04.18 | Azar | err that was for edward0 , not xptek |
| 02:04.25 | zOap | tux, why use aptitude in the first place? apt is far better, and more stable. |
| 02:04.35 | xptek | Azar: I was going to say, installing a file manager wouldn't fix much. :P |
| 02:04.44 | ke6isf | asg: Looking at info, I don't think it does quite that. =/ |
| 02:04.48 | Azar | zOap: you are wrong |
| 02:05.05 | zOap | Azar, I am? Enlighten me, please |
| 02:05.07 | edward0 | Azar: I want to have the info printed to stdout |
| 02:05.10 | asg | ke6isf: yeah, that appears to be the case |
| 02:05.12 | edward0 | :D |
| 02:05.34 | tux | zOap, people told me do not mix them. use one, then all the time. |
| 02:05.44 | ke6isf | file(1) tells more info about it, but not the time length. Closest I can think of is mp3info - but that doesn't work on .wav files. |
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| 02:05.49 | tux | my problem is: ldconfig: /usr/X11R6/lib/libXvMCNVIDIA.so.1.0.8178 is not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic bytes at the start. |
| 02:05.58 | Azar | zOap: it is wrong to say apt is far better than aptitude: aptitude is mostly used for system updates, kernel updates with more success as it has stronger, better dependency works |
| 02:06.00 | xptek | gnufan: It seems to be a Xen issue. |
| 02:06.01 | xptek | heh. |
| 02:06.08 | gnufan | xptek: bizarre tried "ntpdate -b ...." |
| 02:06.14 | zOap | tux, that is correct, do not mix them. But again, I find APT more stable and more accurate.. |
| 02:06.16 | tux | have anyone met this kind of problem? just a waring, but I wanna supress it. :s) |
| 02:06.25 | gnufan | xptek: Ah xen -- that might explain it -- get the host clock sorted. |
| 02:06.43 | zOap | Azar, you may be right. I see it this way: The less code, the less mess. apt has less code, thus... |
| 02:06.50 | donowho | help. i am not able to login to kdm as non-root. it is not because of unaccpeted userid or password but it just return me to the login screen. i have checked the login scripts such as .profile, .bash-profile. I have also checked /etc/pam.d/kdm, /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config. they are in order. |
| 02:06.50 | tux | zOap, why? aptitude gives you suggestions, and it has a 'gui' sometimes more flexible. |
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| 02:06.59 | Azar | tux and zOap you can use both successfully, I use apt mostly for small installs, and aptitude for system-wide updates |
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| 02:07.12 | xptek | gnufan: Yep, that would help. |
| 02:07.20 | xptek | Now to have fun with the German support. |
| 02:07.26 | zOap | tux, just because you have a gui it doesnt make it more flexible, far from it. It may even make it less flexible |
| 02:07.53 | tux | Azar, people told me they are different. e.g, packages installed by apt will be removed automatically by aptitude. |
| 02:07.53 | Azar | tux, firstly I use apt or aptitude in CLI where you come up with gui ? |
| 02:08.14 | chealer | donowho: so what happens when you try? |
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| 02:08.16 | tux | Azar, i mean the ncurse interface. ;) |
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| 02:08.29 | Azar | tux because aptitude takes better care of dependencies, but apt is ok for installing like, games, and small apps |
| 02:08.46 | donowho | chealer, it returns me to the kdm login screen. |
| 02:08.57 | chealer | donowho: after what? |
| 02:09.10 | donowho | chealer, after i login. |
| 02:09.12 | vulture | games? many games have lots of dependencies.. SDL libs, etc. I'd still use aptitude there. There are very few packages that don't have deps you'd want aptitude to handle.. |
| 02:09.24 | Azar | I use aptitude for example when say I upgrade the system, or install a kernel.. |
| 02:10.10 | Azar | vulture, even if I install only games for my distro from the proper archive? |
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| 02:10.20 | zOap | Anyway, if a programmer has to take gui into consideration, it means that he has to use time to program for the gui alone, which again gives him less time to read code and come up with new ideas.. I agree that in some areas this is not good enough, but in apt it certianly is.. I'm not saying I don't like aptitude. I just like apt better. All above IMHO |
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| 02:10.53 | donowho | chealer, to be precise, after i login, the greeter disappears for a while, then the X screen appears and then the greeter. |
| 02:11.01 | Azar | zOap: I would never use "IMHO" when talking about programming/programmers and I have no clue what I say |
| 02:11.02 | chealer | donowho: OK |
| 02:11.12 | chealer | donowho: so X crashes? |
| 02:11.36 | zOap | Azar, so you say I have no clue what I'm talking about? |
| 02:11.43 | donowho | chealer, ok, now how to find out why it crashes? |
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| 02:11.54 | tux | Azar, but you can still install games like 'aptitude install bb' just like using apt. |
| 02:11.56 | Azar | zOap: no way, do not take it in that context, I was talking about myself only |
| 02:12.06 | zOap | oh, ok :) no harm:) |
| 02:12.18 | zOap | it is my humble opinion though:) |
| 02:12.39 | Azar | zOap: I have tried to learn programming and I realize how little of a man I am |
| 02:12.44 | vulture | Azar: if you're installing them outside the package management system (then you're not using APT or Aptitude) then it's irrelevant. |
| 02:12.45 | chealer | donowho: it was a question, but if it does, you should look in X's log |
| 02:13.17 | vulture | If you're installing games that are part of Debian I'd recommend using Aptitude rather than APT (because I would suggest using it for all packages, whether they are games or not) |
| 02:13.23 | zOap | naah, programming is just alot of '0' and '1's :) But it is alot less code in gui free environments |
| 02:13.28 | Azar | vulture, correct, however I am too chicken to risk the stability of my system for a game.. and I have enough cool games for my distro |
| 02:13.33 | tux | vulture, I aggre with you. |
| 02:13.42 | tux | lol |
| 02:14.00 | donowho | chealer, agree, i have looked into various logs such as syslog, kdm.log, auth.log, etc. which one to look for X logging? |
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| 02:14.08 | tux | Azar, aptitude cannot be that awlful |
| 02:14.09 | zOap | isn't it nice that we all get what we want then?;) |
| 02:14.21 | Azar | tux: I AM using aptitude :) |
| 02:14.33 | chealer | donowho: depending on your release, Xsomething.log |
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| 02:14.48 | vulture | Azar: what's going to make your sysmte unstable? |
| 02:15.09 | Azar | vulture I am uneasy with backports and such... |
| 02:15.27 | vulture | who said anything about backports.. *shrugs* |
| 02:15.28 | zOap | vulture, mixing versions maybe?:) |
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| 02:16.03 | Azar | vulture I am uneasy with installing apps and games from "outside" Sarge archives then. |
| 02:16.13 | donowho | chealer, sorry, that was a misunderstanding earlier about the question. the problem is, the last couple of characters of my chat display is always missing. |
| 02:16.25 | zOap | that is a very nice way to kill your system, yes |
| 02:16.59 | Kr33d | during a network install where everything seems to be running beautifully, when I get to the partitioning, I get the msg: "No partitionable media were found. please check that the hard disk is attached to this machine". which is funny as the installation files are located on that very drive. what can be done? if anything |
| 02:17.04 | vulture | Azar: most average games (Quake, UT, etc) come with installers that can/do just install with user (non-root) permissions, completely outside any package management system. Easy enough to use |
| 02:17.08 | Azar | vulture, I remember the days when Id go to computer shows and buy games on a floppy and come home and install them on my PC: not anymore thanks |
| 02:17.20 | karsten | Kr33d: What's your storage? |
| 02:17.34 | karsten | Kr33d: Note that the installer IIRC runs different kernels at different points in time. |
| 02:18.06 | Azar | vulture, I doubt my nVidia GeForce 4 MX 4000 can handle Quake, UT, etc.. |
| 02:18.11 | donowho | chealer, the only Xlog is Xfree86.0.log. btw, i have tried removing kdm and use xdm and i was able to login as non-root. |
| 02:18.23 | Kr33d | could you say that in plain english (noob language) please? :P |
| 02:18.25 | Kr33d | heh |
| 02:18.35 | karsten | Azar: One solution is to create chroot jails or other restricted environments for untrusted software. Not an ideal solution or one that's fully developed. |
| 02:18.52 | Azar | two 3D games I wanted are not working: egoboo and another gui-style both nethack |
| 02:18.52 | karsten | Kr33d: What kind of hard drives and/or controller cards do you have? |
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| 02:19.12 | Kr33d | quantum |
| 02:19.12 | karsten | Kr33d: ATA, SATA, etc. 'lspci' should ID the driver card. |
| 02:19.21 | karsten | Kr33d: Model number specificity require.d |
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| 02:19.40 | Kr33d | the HD model no.? |
| 02:20.00 | Azar | Debian GNU/Linux device driver check page |
| 02:20.01 | karsten | Kr33d: Well, you _could_ post your washing machine model, but HD would be markedly more apropriate. |
| 02:20.07 | Kr33d | LOL |
| 02:20.09 | Kr33d | nice one |
| 02:20.10 | Azar | http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 02:20.13 | Kr33d | 1 moment |
| 02:20.33 | chealer | donowho: that log yes. interesting. are you logging to the same session manager? |
| 02:21.45 | donowho | karsten, couple of days ago, when i had my login problem, u suggested doing a reset with <ctrl, alt and bksp>. it only work once. |
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| 02:22.08 | donowho | chealer, u mean? |
| 02:22.20 | Kr33d | karsten: Quantum fireball.. can't find a model no. is it usually located in a specific area? |
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| 02:22.23 | karsten | donowho: ? |
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| 02:22.34 | karsten | Kr33d: labeling somewhere on the top of the drive. |
| 02:22.52 | karsten | Kr33d: Your BIOS may identify the drive as well. |
| 02:23.09 | karsten | Kr33d: ... or install smartmontols and run 'smartctl <device>' |
| 02:23.09 | donowho | karsten, this sort of problem: i am not able to login to kdm as non-root. it is not because of unaccpeted userid or password but it just return me to the login screen. i have checked the login scripts such as .profile, .bash-profile. I have also checked /etc/pam.d/kdm, /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config. they are in order. |
| 02:23.19 | chealer | donowho: session manager: say KDE or a window manager |
| 02:23.21 | Kr33d | that'd prolly be easier. will have a look. brb |
| 02:23.24 | karsten | Kr33d: ... but that implies you can boot and install debian. |
| 02:23.32 | Kr33d | uhm |
| 02:23.47 | Seb | asg: thanks man |
| 02:23.49 | Kr33d | well I can open the bios of course |
| 02:23.50 | karsten | donowho: Try $HOME/.xsession-errors as well. User-specific error messages got logged there. |
| 02:23.54 | Kr33d | course |
| 02:23.57 | karsten | donowho: Still want me to STFU BTW? |
| 02:23.58 | Kr33d | * |
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| 02:24.55 | donowho | chealer, i am always trying to log to kde. |
| 02:25.26 | donowho | karsten, there is nothing there becos the login does not go thro. |
| 02:25.58 | Kr33d | well, the only thing except for patent numbers, I can find is this: 3200AT TM32A011 REV 02-B A6B1F |
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| 02:26.00 | karsten | donowho: You've confirmed no file / empty file? |
| 02:26.04 | chealer | donowho: with both xdm and kdm? |
| 02:26.07 | karsten | Kr33d: Google that. |
| 02:26.11 | Kr33d | oki |
| 02:26.23 | Azar | "Virtual-machine monitors are available from both the open-source community and commercial vendors .." like what? |
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| 02:26.41 | Azar | ... thinking of VM rootkits... |
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| 02:27.15 | donowho | karsten, empty file. |
| 02:27.25 | karsten | donowho: OK. |
| 02:27.31 | karsten | Kr33d: That's a 3.2 GB drive, right? |
| 02:27.42 | Kr33d | yep |
| 02:27.44 | karsten | Kr33d: almost certainly an old ATA/IDE disk. |
| 02:27.50 | Kr33d | old indeed |
| 02:27.52 | karsten | Kr33d: Which answers one question. |
| 02:27.53 | unix_infidel | anyone here running LKL keylogger? |
| 02:27.54 | donowho | chealer, with xdm, i can't tell. becos there is no menu for session selection. |
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| 02:28.19 | Kr33d | yes? |
| 02:28.19 | unix_infidel | trying to figure out if there's an option to parse the file it writes to. |
| 02:28.19 | Azar | Kr33d: try this one too: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 02:28.24 | karsten | Kr33d: Are you in the installer now? |
| 02:28.29 | Kr33d | oki Azar |
| 02:28.44 | Kr33d | karsten: no, winblows.. dualboot thingie |
| 02:28.47 | karsten | Kr33d: ... the question being whether or not the HD was SATA and you had SATA controllers. |
| 02:28.50 | karsten | Kr33d: Ok. |
| 02:29.03 | Kr33d | ah |
| 02:29.17 | karsten | Kr33d: Hrm. Is your Windows partition whole-disk? |
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| 02:29.22 | Kr33d | so this is good or bad? |
| 02:29.28 | donowho | chealer, hang-on, i recalled now. it was a xdm console session. no fanciful kde. |
| 02:29.28 | karsten | Kr33d: ...and/or are you attempting to dual-boot? |
| 02:29.31 | Kr33d | well |
| 02:29.34 | karsten | Kr33d: It is what it is. |
| 02:29.45 | Kr33d | windows is on the first disk. a small 850 mb drive |
| 02:29.58 | Kr33d | the 3.2 gb is split in two |
| 02:29.59 | donowho | donowho, that was when i login with non-root user in xdm. |
| 02:30.00 | karsten | Kr33d: ...and the Quantum as a second drive? |
| 02:30.03 | chealer | donowho: OK. so did the logs help? can you start KDE as non-root without using kdm? |
| 02:30.09 | Kr33d | they're both that brand |
| 02:30.28 | karsten | Kr33d: OK, so 850 MB and 3.2 GB. Which controllers & master/slave? |
| 02:30.28 | beered | how do I find device number '/dev/hda?' for a drive? |
| 02:30.33 | karsten | beered: 0300 |
| 02:30.37 | Kr33d | 850 mb is master |
| 02:30.46 | beered | karsten: whats that? |
| 02:30.49 | karsten | beered: There's a Linux Assigned Numbers Authority. |
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| 02:31.20 | karsten | beered: Um. The kernel representation for /dev/hda is 0300. I just happen to know that. What are you trying to do? |
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| 02:31.43 | beered | karsten: I...can't...understand...you. |
| 02:31.49 | karsten | beered: The problem is mutual. |
| 02:31.56 | Kr33d | LOL |
| 02:32.03 | beered | LOL |
| 02:32.06 | donowho | chealer, no XFrre86.0.log indicates no error. from console, i have tried. it says something like you need to be root to do that. |
| 02:32.19 | alexs_ | "again that just proves that no matter what conversation you have, nihilism and relativism can destroy any opinion |
| 02:32.21 | alexs_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:32.27 | alexs_ | oops |
| 02:32.30 | alexs_ | damn irssi |
| 02:32.31 | alexs_ | pardon me |
| 02:32.33 | Kr33d | did I answer your question properly karsten? wasn't sure what you meant |
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| 02:32.55 | alexs_ | Meta-A is the continued bane of my existence :/ |
| 02:33.13 | karsten | Kr33d: Well, what's the 3.2 GB? Primary slave, Secondary master/slave? |
| 02:33.19 | beered | First I get an answer, than I'm asked what the question is. Is it full moon today? :-) |
| 02:33.22 | WiFiTux | I'm compiling NetworkManager, anyone knows where libnl is? I can't find that package. |
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| 02:33.33 | karsten | Kr33d: That determines the device designation. Your choices are /dev/hdb, /dev/hdc, or /dev/hdd, likely. |
| 02:33.42 | Kr33d | oh, well it's hdd |
| 02:33.47 | Kr33d | hdd1 and hdd2 |
| 02:34.03 | Kr33d | hdc is the 850 mb drive |
| 02:34.15 | karsten | Kr33d: Ok. You might try doing manual partitioning (drops you to fdisk or cfdisk) for /dev/hdd then. |
| 02:34.24 | Kr33d | oki |
| 02:34.27 | chealer | donowho: to do what exactly? |
| 02:34.28 | karsten | Kr33d: ... got a system to run IRC on while doing the install? |
| 02:34.43 | Kr33d | nope, this is, sadly, my only machine atm |
| 02:34.56 | donowho | chealer, to start kde as non-root |
| 02:35.28 | Kr33d | or well... |
| 02:35.47 | karsten | chealer: I walked him through one possible solution a day or two back, checked /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config. I'd break the problem into trying bare-naked X, startx, kde-session, then putting the bits together. Trying a failsafe mode under xdm or kdm might also be good. |
| 02:35.54 | karsten | Kr33d: Got a bootable disk? |
| 02:36.02 | phrontist | when I run "apt-get install rar" I get "no installation candidate", my sources.list is pasted here: http://rafb.net/paste/results/307SDJ88.html |
| 02:36.13 | Kr33d | I can irc thru my cell phone. but that'd need to be /msg. can't type or read fast enuff to watch an intire channel on my display |
| 02:36.14 | karsten | Kr33d: Damn Small Linux and/or LNX-BBC and/or Knoppix should let you do a chroot install while continuing chat. |
| 02:36.26 | karsten | Kr33d: That. Would. Bite. Massively. |
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| 02:36.59 | Kr33d | that's my problem. I tried dsl and knoppix. I decided on debian as those are derived from that |
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| 02:37.26 | karsten | Kr33d: I'm not talking about installing them on your system. I'm talking about using them to install Debian. |
| 02:37.30 | Kr33d | tried to do a poor mans install and got lost :O |
| 02:37.35 | Kr33d | ahhh |
| 02:37.38 | Kr33d | clever |
| 02:37.39 | karsten | !tell Kr33d about chroot install |
| 02:37.49 | donowho | karsten, r u suggesting that from console, i do startx? tried that. it says soemthing like 'display 0: is in use'. |
| 02:37.50 | dondelelcaro | Azar: it will be if you do it... |
| 02:37.53 | phrontist | anyone? |
| 02:37.55 | karsten | Kr33d: I'm the guy who wrote the docs. |
| 02:38.04 | comsa | tell me about it |
| 02:38.04 | Azar | ... because I intend to buy a brand new shiny box for etch |
| 02:38.08 | Kr33d | what fore, karsten? |
| 02:38.18 | karsten | donowho: Yes. Then kill X first. /etc/init.d/[gdwkx]dm stop |
| 02:38.21 | WiFiTux | Anyone knows where is the libnl package? |
| 02:38.34 | curt | is it possible to remove another root user logged in? |
| 02:38.35 | dondelelcaro | phrontist: you're using demudi, not Debian |
| 02:38.50 | dondelelcaro | curt: using kill or slay, yes. |
| 02:38.52 | karsten | Kr33d: ... the chroot install docs. Now part of the Debian installation manual. |
| 02:38.54 | Azar | dondelecaro eh, I have no idea about etch and what kind of hardware: cpu / hd / audio / video will support.... |
| 02:39.00 | Kr33d | ah, kool :) |
| 02:39.02 | phrontist | dondelelcaro: yes, and? |
| 02:39.04 | dondelelcaro | Azar: well, you can learn |
| 02:39.04 | karsten | chealer: Not slay if you're already logged as root. |
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| 02:39.14 | phrontist | DeMuDi is debian... |
| 02:39.17 | dondelelcaro | phrontist: you want to ask in #demudi; we have no idea what packages they've got and which they don';t. |
| 02:39.21 | SerajewelKS | !demudi |
| 02:39.21 | dpkg | rumour has it, demudi is Debian Multimedia Distribution, a distro optimized for audio and multimedia work, based on Debian. DeMuDi is available at http://www.agnula.org/ |
| 02:39.28 | Azar | dondelecaro, if I had the time... the job is taking my most time |
| 02:39.30 | dondelelcaro | phrontist: no, it's not. This is a popular misconception... |
| 02:39.35 | SerajewelKS | phrontist: if it was debian it would be called debian |
| 02:39.37 | Kr33d | just out of curiousity, are you scandinavian karsten? cinsidering your name :) |
| 02:39.42 | karsten | !tell phrontist about not debian |
| 02:39.51 | karsten | Kr33d: No. |
| 02:39.56 | Kr33d | considering* |
| 02:39.56 | Kr33d | oki :) |
| 02:40.00 | dondelelcaro | Azar: well, if you don't do it, it's doubtfull that anyone else will... |
| 02:40.01 | curt | dondelelcaro, kill his bash pid and block him with iptables...? |
| 02:40.10 | Kr33d | good name tho. is my fathers name |
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| 02:40.20 | karsten | Kr33d: German background here. |
| 02:40.25 | dondelelcaro | curt: uh... if you've got someone else breaking into your machine as root, your machine is owned. Reinstall. |
| 02:40.31 | Kr33d | well close enuff then ;) |
| 02:40.44 | karsten | curt: What dondelelcaro said. |
| 02:40.54 | karsten | Kr33d: Modulo a few military losses ;-) |
| 02:40.55 | chealer | karsten: yes, that's how I would break it too. |
| 02:40.56 | curt | dondelelcaro, no it some dumb techie on a remote machine |
| 02:40.57 | phrontist | if I have the debian main repository in my sources, why can't I get a common package like rar? |
| 02:41.07 | dondelelcaro | curt: then kill him off, and change the root password. |
| 02:41.15 | Kr33d | hehehe |
| 02:41.16 | Azar | curt next time block root over ssh |
| 02:41.24 | donowho | karsten, will try that. just to let u know, i hv tried failsafe mode. can't work either. |
| 02:41.40 | curt | Azar, just read up on that today... |
| 02:41.43 | chealer | karsten: if you can help donowho with trying to start KDE without using kdm, that would be nice, as I'm not familiar with that and doing something else |
| 02:41.43 | karsten | curt: what Azar said. ssh as user, sudo to root. Allow/deny users in /etc/sudoers. Don't share root password. |
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| 02:41.56 | karsten | donowho: OK. That suggests X itself is incorrectly configured. |
| 02:42.02 | karsten | chealer: OK. |
| 02:42.18 | karsten | donowho: One sec. Cold feet, need socks. And laundry... |
| 02:42.25 | Kr33d | lol |
| 02:42.40 | curt | karsten, Azar it's not a share they really do own the box, i just "rent" it, its a dedicated server . |
| 02:42.41 | Red_Cloud | I need some information. I am executing apt-get dist-upgrade. It involves 386 Mb. I have interrupted the download about midway. Upon executing the command again, the log shows that I lack about 130 Mb of the download. Whenever the upgrade finished, will it also install the packages that were downloaded during the previous attempt? |
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| 02:43.16 | donowho | karsten, chealer, how to config X correctly? |
| 02:43.26 | Azar | curt, it is ok I was burned as well when whomever gained access deleted my /var... reinstall, block root over ssh, install denyhosts, and config your iptables and you will be ok, I even changed my ssh port so I am ok.. sorta |
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| 02:43.58 | Azar | curt, those who rent should not ever have root access... shell, n stuff only |
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| 02:44.39 | beered | how can I find out partition type of a drive that's already mounted? I tired fdisk and the 'System' is Unknown. |
| 02:44.46 | karsten | donowho: In general: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 02:44.52 | donowho | karsten, chealer, there is one more thing. i try to use base-config to create new user but failed. it returns the menu screen after awhile. |
| 02:45.02 | curt | Azar, if I go that far they pull the plug. I just killed the tech so that he can't do any more harm |
| 02:45.05 | karsten | donowho: 'adduser <username>' |
| 02:45.10 | ke6isf | Is sshd controlled by xinetd or by itself out of the box? |
| 02:45.29 | Azar | curt, if they want root, you should increase the rent by 500% then |
| 02:45.36 | karsten | ke6isf: It runs as a daemon service, generally, I think it checks for an xinitd.conf entry. |
| 02:45.41 | donowho | karsten, for me it wuld be xserver-xfree86. |
| 02:45.45 | karsten | ke6isf: Read /etc/init.d/ssh |
| 02:45.48 | karsten | donowho: OK. |
| 02:45.57 | ke6isf | karsten: Thanks |
| 02:46.02 | Kr33d | karsten: would it be easier to just download the iso and do a hd install, or would I have the same problem? |
| 02:46.08 | karsten | donowho: Your basic strategy: kill your X display manager, I think you said that's xdm. |
| 02:46.15 | karsten | Kr33d: You could do that. Minute. |
| 02:46.28 | donowho | karsten, that config input and display devices, basically. |
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| 02:46.30 | Kr33d | alrighty. |
| 02:46.33 | Azar | ... and even then, say you could put them in the %wheel group so they can use sudo... with no passwd |
| 02:46.41 | karsten | donowho: Try running bare naked X as a user. Just "X". You should get a herringbone background and an 'X' mouse pointer. |
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| 02:47.19 | serialkiller | how do i determine y a pice of email is frozen? |
| 02:47.23 | karsten | donowho: If that works, try 'startx /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator' |
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| 02:47.31 | karsten | donowho: ...which should give you a terminal but no window manager. |
| 02:47.39 | karsten | serialkiller: Check your mail queue. What MTA? |
| 02:47.41 | ke6isf | serialkiller: ...define frozen? |
| 02:47.53 | karsten | ke6isf: It's a defined state for most MTAs. |
| 02:47.53 | serialkiller | 0m 1.7K 1FIIub-0004eF-1V <> *** frozen *** |
| 02:47.54 | serialkiller | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:47.58 | ke6isf | karsten: Ah, OK. |
| 02:47.59 | karsten | serialkiller: exim? |
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| 02:48.02 | serialkiller | yea |
| 02:48.20 | karsten | serialkiller: I think that's logged. |
| 02:48.44 | serialkiller | ??? |
| 02:48.45 | karsten | serialkiller: man exim for details. |
| 02:48.45 | donowho | karsten, let start from the beginning. after login in console mode, tyep X? |
| 02:48.45 | karsten | serialkiller: exim keeps logs in /var/log. |
| 02:48.55 | karsten | donowho: Right. Check to see if you can just run X. If you can't, we fnd out why. |
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| 02:51.04 | donowho | karsten, ok, after X, then 'startx /usr..', if this goes thro, then 'startkde'? |
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| 02:51.22 | Keefe | i have a usb memory stick which works fine. |
| 02:51.26 | karsten | donowho: First we'll try launching kde from within X. |
| 02:51.29 | karsten | donowho: ... but yes. |
| 02:51.45 | Keefe | I just bought an external hd enclosure |
| 02:51.53 | Keefe | and a 80GB hd |
| 02:52.03 | serialkiller | karsten : ok. i know why. The smtp is not authing, but i do not know how to make it log into the smtp before sending. Do you? |
| 02:52.21 | Keefe | how can I format this disk as vfat? |
| 02:52.29 | karsten | serialkiller: smarthost to smtpauth? |
| 02:52.42 | karsten | Keefe: mkfs.vfat <partition> |
| 02:52.56 | serialkiller | smarthost |
| 02:53.00 | Keefe | what device name should i use? |
| 02:53.00 | donowho | karsten, sorry if i am irritating u, but i have to get this right and then logout of here to try things out. so, if what has been suggested works, then what does it tell us and how to fix the login problem for good? |
| 02:53.05 | serialkiller | i am mail via the command line |
| 02:53.10 | Keefe | /dev/sda1? |
| 02:53.10 | karsten | Keefe: IIRC the largest vfat partition possible is 32 GB. Possibly slightly larger, but less than 80 GB. |
| 02:53.16 | Keefe | as for my mem stick? |
| 02:53.16 | karsten | donowho: One sec. |
| 02:53.24 | karsten | donowho: I'm docking this, will paste. |
| 02:53.40 | GaiaX11 | How do i configure free-java-sdk in my debian? Anyone could help me? |
| 02:53.59 | karsten | !tell GaiaX11 about java |
| 02:54.08 | Keefe | karsten: ok then I will format the rest as ext3 |
| 02:54.23 | pipeline | GaiaX11: You avoid it, because the DFSG-free java is terrible. |
| 02:54.28 | pipeline | karsten: Not true. |
| 02:54.53 | pipeline | Keefe, karsten : The Microsoft-provided tools will not allow you to create partitions larger than 32GB, as it is inadvisable due to bugs in various legacy vFAT drivers. |
| 02:55.02 | karsten | pipeline: ?? |
| 02:55.07 | Keefe | /dev/sda1: No such device or address |
| 02:55.10 | pipeline | Keefe, karsten : If you use parted/fdisk+mkfs.dosfs, you can go up to 128G, IIRC. It may be slightly higher. |
| 02:55.23 | karsten | pipeline: OK, thanks. |
| 02:55.28 | karsten | pipeline: URL ref? |
| 02:55.31 | pipeline | Keefe, karsten: It's not a good idea, but windows and linux will both read it. |
| 02:55.41 | GaiaX11 | But I need to get java in my system. So what to do? |
| 02:55.45 | karsten | Keefe: I think the Large Disk HOWTO defines some max FS sizes for various filesystems. |
| 02:55.47 | Keefe | pipe: ok i will be happy with a 32GB partition |
| 02:55.57 | Kr33d | karsten: sorry bout the noob questions, but here's another one: Why is there like 20 different iso files, each about 700 mb, to download? and which one would I want? |
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| 02:56.08 | DaLinuxCode | hi |
| 02:56.18 | karsten | Kr33d: Ask channel, busy. |
| 02:56.27 | pipeline | karsten: Oh, I was wrong, it goes up to 8 terabytes :P |
| 02:56.27 | karsten | donowho: Hold on a minute... pasting. |
| 02:56.31 | Kr33d | oki |
| 02:56.48 | DaLinuxCode | hi |
| 02:56.51 | DaLinuxCode | wussup |
| 02:56.56 | donowho | karsten, ok. |
| 02:57.07 | Kr33d | everyone else, heh.. why are there so many iso's? and which one do I need? |
| 02:57.23 | GaiaX11 | If free-java-sdk is not good. What do I have to do? |
| 02:57.50 | karsten | Overand: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2043 |
| 02:57.51 | SerajewelKS | GaiaX11: use java-package against a sun java sdk .bin distribution |
| 02:57.52 | karsten | donowho: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2043 |
| 02:57.55 | karsten | Overand: NM. |
| 02:57.59 | SerajewelKS | !tell GaiaX11 about java-package |
| 02:58.04 | karsten | donowho: Print that out for when you reboot. |
| 02:58.07 | ke6isf | Kr33d: /msg dpkg netinstall |
| 02:58.10 | karsten | SerajewelKS: I just did that. |
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| 02:58.21 | edward0 | Kr33d: because Debian has over 15000 packages you can install? |
| 02:58.22 | karsten | pipeline: 8 TB for FAT?? |
| 02:58.28 | pipeline | karsten: well, FAT32. |
| 02:58.36 | karsten | pipeline: No. Way. |
| 02:58.43 | SerajewelKS | !lose me |
| 02:58.43 | dpkg | serajewelks: You Lose. |
| 02:58.48 | Kr33d | edward0: so does a lot of other distro's but they don't have a shitload like that |
| 02:58.48 | pipeline | karsten: That's what wikipedia says, anyway. I think at 8TB, you're going to have a block size of like, several megabytes or something insane. |
| 02:59.02 | pipeline | karsten: I know it's way, way, way over 32G, because I've made very large FAT filesystems quite a few times. |
| 02:59.05 | karsten | Kr33d: You can use netinstall (recommended) or the *first* disk of the multi-disk install set. Additional disks are optional, mostly useful if you can't download packages from network. |
| 02:59.07 | SerajewelKS | karsten: just came back to the keyboard =/ |
| 02:59.12 | GaiaX11 | Thanks! |
| 02:59.18 | karsten | SerajewelKS: NP. |
| 03:00.18 | donowho | karsten, thks a lot. will go and try it out. hopefully can get back to u with some good news. |
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| 03:00.35 | tux | ldconfig: /usr/X11R6/lib/libXvMCNVIDIA.so.1.0.8178 is not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic bytes at the start. |
| 03:00.44 | tux | what's my problem, guys? |
| 03:00.49 | Kr33d | so I'll just need debian-31r1-i386-binary-1.iso? |
| 03:01.24 | karsten | tux: Um. /usr/X11R6/lib/libXvMCNVIDIA.so.1.0.8178 is not an ELF file, and you're trying to execute it. |
| 03:02.01 | ke6isf | Kr33d: That, or just netinstall. |
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| 03:02.02 | karsten | Kr33d: If that's the first of the multidisk set, yes. I don't have the names memorized. |
| 03:02.02 | karsten | Kr33d: Personally, netinst. |
| 03:02.06 | tux | karsten, that message comes out sometimes when I use aptitude. |
| 03:02.07 | pipeline | Kr33d: Keep in mind that the "netinstall" doesn't actually require the net |
| 03:02.16 | pipeline | Kr33d: It contains the most minimal set of packages to get debian up and running |
| 03:02.17 | Kr33d | oki, I'll do it your way then hehe |
| 03:02.37 | Kr33d | well isn't that what I already tried? |
| 03:02.44 | Azar | hmm I do not understand /proc |
| 03:02.53 | Kr33d | the initrd.gz and vmlinuz |
| 03:02.56 | karsten | Kr33d: Um. Not sure. Which installer were you doing? |
| 03:03.11 | Kr33d | copied them to /boot/newinstall |
| 03:03.14 | Azar | I can see /proc is a directory like any other and lots of good info out there on modules |
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| 03:03.27 | Kr33d | edited lilo.conf and soo on |
| 03:03.30 | Kr33d | -o |
| 03:03.32 | SerajewelKS | Azar: it's a virtual filesystem |
| 03:04.17 | karsten | Azar: Yes. /proc is virtual though, doesn't exist on disk. |
| 03:04.19 | Azar | SerajewelKS: that is what I read but I am trying to learn using it |
| 03:04.29 | SerajewelKS | !lose karsten |
| 03:04.29 | dpkg | karsten: You Lose. |
| 03:04.35 | karsten | Azar: You can read /proc files like any other. Most are just text. |
| 03:04.44 | karsten | !fishsmite SerajewelKS |
| 03:04.56 | Azar | :) ok |
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| 03:04.58 | SerajewelKS | "large goldfish", ha.. oxymoron =) |
| 03:05.08 | Kr33d | hardware detection and everything worked just fine, untill it came to the partitioning (which it really shouldn't need, as I'd just let it overwrite my mdk linux) |
| 03:05.29 | karsten | Azar: ... some are dynamic in that you can write data into them to change system settings. Do so with care. Eg: enabling NAT is done with "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" |
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| 03:05.40 | theycallhimtom | Hey I need some help. I'm installing Debian 3.1 with the network installer (the 140mbish one). I am getting the error: debootstrap error couldn't download initscripts while installing the base system. My assumption is that my computer is not connecting to my network correctly or something of that sort. Any ideas? Thanks for the help. |
| 03:05.50 | SerajewelKS | karsten: that's not how you enable NAT |
| 03:05.59 | SerajewelKS | karsten: that's how you enable IP forwarding. NAT is done with iptables. |
| 03:06.16 | karsten | theycallhimtom: <ctrl><alt><F2> and /sbin/ifconfig |
| 03:06.22 | karsten | !win SerajewelKS |
| 03:06.22 | dpkg | Congratulations, SerajewelKS! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 03:06.28 | Azar | isn't "top" a /proc replacement? |
| 03:06.42 | karsten | SerajewelKS: Point. NAT w/o forward is somewhat limited, however ;-) |
| 03:06.44 | SerajewelKS | Azar: replacement? |
| 03:06.46 | karsten | Azar: Um. No. |
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| 03:07.04 | SerajewelKS | karsten: well i'm just saying ip forwarding can be useful without nat. but you're right, the other way around doesn't work so well. ;) |
| 03:07.09 | karsten | Azar: more specifically: 'top' is a process monitor that specifically uses /proc under Linux. |
| 03:07.27 | karsten | SerajewelKS: Yeah. I was being imprecise ;-) |
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| 03:08.24 | tux | karsten, |
| 03:08.36 | karsten | tux: |
| 03:08.43 | tux | it's the output of ldconfig. |
| 03:08.56 | karsten | tux: Ah. |
| 03:09.04 | karsten | tux: What's 'file' have to say? |
| 03:09.19 | karsten | tux: 'man file' for info. |
| 03:09.22 | Kr33d | karsten: yeah, that was what I did. made 2 floppies, a network install floppy and a network drivers floppy |
| 03:09.23 | tux | karsten, nothing behind the : |
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| 03:09.50 | theycallhimtom | karsten: I got to where you pointed me and it shows a lot of information. (inet addr bcast mask...) but is there an easy way to see if the network connection is working or not. Sorry I'm rather noob at linux. |
| 03:10.16 | SerajewelKS | theycallhimtom: ping google |
| 03:10.40 | karsten | theycallhimtom: the 'inet addr' line should show a dotted-quad value, broadcast, and netmask value. |
| 03:10.51 | karsten | theycallhimtom: ... if not, the interface is unconfigured. |
| 03:10.58 | karsten | SerajewelKS: That implies routing and DNS also work ;-) |
| 03:11.18 | SerajewelKS | karsten: well sure, but in the typical case it will tell you =) |
| 03:11.20 | karsten | tux: Is the file binary or ascii? |
| 03:11.20 | tux | karsten, |
| 03:11.25 | karsten | SerajewelKS: Point. |
| 03:11.32 | SerajewelKS | karsten: maybe 'ip neigh show' would be a better choice |
| 03:11.36 | karsten | SerajewelKS: ... but not always the ultimate debugging thing. |
| 03:11.38 | SerajewelKS | karsten: in place of ping that is |
| 03:11.44 | tux | karsten, the start of the file is all ^@ in vim, i.e. 0 |
| 03:12.27 | tux | :-( |
| 03:12.28 | karsten | SerajewelKS: *woah* Cool. I'm still really vague on 'ip' usage. |
| 03:12.44 | karsten | tux: 'od -c' should show octal. Looks like it's binary, though. |
| 03:12.46 | SerajewelKS | karsten: it's hailed as the shiny new ifconfig, but it's damn hard to use |
| 03:13.02 | SerajewelKS | karsten: basically 'ip neigh show' is the equivalent if 'arp -a' on a windows box, only kinda |
| 03:13.09 | karsten | SerajewelKS: it's the ipconfig of the future, and always will be? |
| 03:13.21 | karsten | SerajewelKS: Um. There's an 'arp' on Linux too ;-) |
| 03:13.28 | Supaplex | ipconfig is a winderz binary |
| 03:13.43 | karsten | s/ipconfig/ifconfig/ Yeah, I know. |
| 03:13.47 | SerajewelKS | karsten: sure, and 'arp -a' on linux is the same as 'ip neigh show' too, only kinda ;) |
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| 03:15.18 | tux | Supaplex, what do you mean by winderz? |
| 03:15.42 | Supaplex | slur on microsoft windows from redmond washington by bill gates and his army |
| 03:15.56 | Supaplex | clear as mud now? |
| 03:16.29 | tux | Sunbug, sorry, I saw ifconfig as ldconfig. .. |
| 03:16.34 | tux | Sunbug, sorry, I saw ipconfig as ldconfig. .. |
| 03:16.51 | tux | Supaplex, sorry. |
| 03:17.00 | Supaplex | no worries |
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| 03:17.36 | Supaplex | heh |
| 03:18.00 | tux | hhaha |
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| 03:19.35 | pipeline | Supaplex: http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/3456/m9xm.png |
| 03:21.14 | tux | haha. but i do not very understand. |
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| 03:21.48 | marc | me too |
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| 03:23.37 | ftp3 | hey.. when i try and apt-get install libgmp3, it says that package is not available, and shows "libgmpxx3 libgmp3c2" as alternatives.. anyone know what happened to libgmp3 and what the correct replacement is? |
| 03:24.20 | Supaplex | this suxorz |
| 03:24.38 | ikks | hi, I'm trying to install zope, I deinstalled it, but getting errors when trying to install I obtain |
| 03:24.40 | ikks | http://pastebin.com/597356 |
| 03:25.29 | Supaplex | My only backup of /usr/local is identical to the live copy. :-/ I know /usr/local isn't all that important, but is there anything really important there? |
| 03:25.57 | ikks | Supaplex if you have installed from sources maybe. |
| 03:26.15 | Supaplex | very little |
| 03:26.22 | Kr33d | wonder if it's a sign that your pc is a piece of shit, when it takes longer to delete 700 mb, than download it :/ |
| 03:28.00 | Supaplex | the only thing remaining are some python libraries. I wonder how or why it's there if I install most everything from apt |
| 03:28.12 | tux | "You can tell whether a man is clever by his answers. You can tell whether a man is wise by his questions." — Naguib Mahfouz |
| 03:28.25 | tux | :-D |
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| 03:29.03 | ikks | continuing with my question, ideas about that? |
| 03:29.13 | ikks | I tried apt-get remove zope-externaleditor |
| 03:29.29 | ikks | But it tries |
| 03:29.32 | ikks | to do |
| 03:29.34 | ikks | Removing zope-externaleditor ... |
| 03:29.34 | ikks | Restarting Zope instance default... |
| 03:29.40 | ikks | and stops there |
| 03:29.58 | ikks | if I try modifying /etc/init.d/zope with an exit 0 |
| 03:30.13 | ikks | so it exits successfully, I still doesn't remove the package. |
| 03:30.26 | ikks | I tried also dpkg --force-all zope... |
| 03:30.29 | Supaplex | ikks: what's apt-get install --reinstall zope do? |
| 03:30.33 | ikks | but neither works. |
| 03:30.40 | serialkiller | debian looks for start up in init.d right? |
| 03:30.56 | ikks | Trying to do that. |
| 03:31.02 | ikks | I lost the connection to the machine. |
| 03:31.05 | ikks | grr.. |
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| 03:31.45 | Supaplex | serialkiller: /etc/init.d and/or /etc/rc?.d see update-rc.d |
| 03:31.50 | ikks | ok, It gives me |
| 03:32.01 | Supaplex | pastbin :) |
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| 03:32.18 | ikks | http://pastebin.com/597359 |
| 03:32.36 | serialkiller | Supaplex : i want to run 1 comand after system reboots |
| 03:32.50 | serialkiller | i want it to mail me |
| 03:32.58 | Supaplex | serialkiller: you can use that, or crontab @reboot |
| 03:33.17 | ikks | Supaplex didn't work :( |
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| 03:34.01 | ikks | so I removed also zope-psycopgda |
| 03:34.28 | ikks | trying again apt-get install --reinstall zope |
| 03:34.33 | Supaplex | ikks: it's the postinstall script. exit 0 as the first statment might proove useful, but I don't know where it is. |
| 03:34.40 | Supaplex | check bts |
| 03:34.57 | theycallhimtom | hmmm still having the same problem of debootstrap error, couldn't download initscripts. The /sbin/ifconfig looked normal so I have no clue. Could anyone help me out please? |
| 03:35.02 | ikks | ok, I'll find postinstall :) |
| 03:35.06 | ikks | the other they found it. |
| 03:35.15 | Supaplex | they? |
| 03:35.21 | Azar | thank you karsten :) |
| 03:35.33 | ikks | sorry I. |
| 03:35.36 | ikks | kind of sleep. |
| 03:37.09 | ikks | found it /var/lib/dpkg/info/zope.postinst |
| 03:37.20 | Azar | karsten I was reading this out of curiosity, but it is a little hard to understand, therefore the question there : http://www.linuxforums.org/misc/understanding_/proc_3.html |
| 03:37.21 | ikks | I put exit 0 on first line |
| 03:38.50 | ikks | it didn't complain. |
| 03:39.17 | Supaplex | ikks: are you good at debugging shell scripts? you may want to move the script aside, and create a short one with "logger -t `basename $0` $* ; exit 22" in it, check syslog for the runtime to isolate what's really wrong... |
| 03:39.27 | Supaplex | but, if reinstalling works, huzzah |
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| 03:39.49 | ikks | I'll try to make a zopeinstance to test if it worked |
| 03:39.59 | ikks | if not I'll have to learn to debug scripts :) |
| 03:41.45 | Supaplex | :) |
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| 03:44.31 | karsten | Azar: Was AFK. |
| 03:45.07 | karsten | Azar: What's the question? |
| 03:45.34 | Nafed | hey guys does the SiS 900-Based PCI eth adapter work in debian? for some reason when i install debian it doesnt pick up the network adapter at all |
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| 03:46.38 | Nafed | lol Supaplex |
| 03:46.49 | Nafed | this is an inbuilt eth adapter on my lappy |
| 03:46.55 | Nafed | so i dont have a choice |
| 03:47.01 | Supaplex | yay :-/ |
| 03:47.02 | Azar | karsten I am reading that sort of tutorial about /proc and trying to figure out what is that about, it looks awkward to do a cd /proc/708/cmdline |
| 03:47.31 | Azar | .. /proc/709/task/709/cwd/var/log |
| 03:47.36 | Azar | sounds silly |
| 03:47.47 | Supaplex | Nafed: lspci might provide some use, or you could configure a new kernel compile to see if its supported. I think there's stuff in Documentation/ in the kernel tree that can help to, or google for it... |
| 03:48.10 | karsten | Azar: ... to do what/ |
| 03:48.28 | Azar | karsten I am trying to understand how to use /proc |
| 03:48.30 | Supaplex | Nafed: oh, and modconfig (try this earlier then rebuilding a kernel) |
| 03:48.41 | Azar | the only /proc I ever used was to find modules |
| 03:48.46 | karsten | Azar: ... I don't generally go into /proc to look at processes. However you can do things like 'ls -l /proc/self/' and look at a specific process's stats. |
| 03:48.48 | Nafed | Supaplex i dont know what good that`ll do me :S i only got the net install of debian so the installation is VERY basic |
| 03:49.03 | Azar | :) thank you |
| 03:49.18 | karsten | Azar: ... if you happen to know a given PID, it's trivial to find a process's stats. You can also get a lot of kernel state information from the unnumbered files and directories. |
| 03:49.28 | Nafed | debian does pick up an eth0 but thats my wireless adapter |
| 03:49.30 | Supaplex | Nafed: most cards are supported out of the box. if it's not, it'll take some work to try and see how far you get with it. |
| 03:49.42 | Supaplex | that's promising |
| 03:49.47 | Nafed | ok |
| 03:49.52 | Nafed | ill reboot into debian |
| 03:49.58 | Nafed | if modconfig doesnt work |
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| 03:50.03 | Nafed | ill jump in here on pc |
| 03:50.05 | Nafed | brb :S |
| 03:50.10 | Supaplex | gl |
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| 03:50.57 | Azar | woo soo nice |
| 03:51.15 | karsten | Azar: /proc/version, /proc/cmdline, /proc/uptime, /proc/ioports, /proc/interrupts, /proc/modules., ... |
| 03:51.46 | karsten | Azar: ... among the more interesting statically located /proc entries. |
| 03:51.46 | karsten | dafIs ther an eth1? |
| 03:51.52 | Azar | huh su is not allowed to see /proc/version :) |
| 03:52.22 | Azar | bah dumb me |
| 03:52.23 | karsten | Azar: Um. You should be able to. Shows kernel version. |
| 03:52.24 | Azar | less |
| 03:52.35 | Azar | I forgot to use less :) |
| 03:52.38 | ikks | Supaplex Move to a new name and from the fresh new postinst refer to the old one? |
| 03:52.44 | karsten | Azar: Yes. They're just text files, mostly. cat, less, more, sed, awk... |
| 03:52.44 | ikks | and look at syslog? |
| 03:52.48 | ikks | is that? |
| 03:53.33 | Supaplex | ikks: play with logger for a sec (you'll get what I explain better here soon). Eg, logger -t myprogram this thing b0ke please fixor me. |
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| 03:54.50 | karsten | Hrm. Has /proc/bus/pci/devices changed markedly 2.4 => 2.6 kernels? |
| 03:54.54 | Supaplex | ikks: now check syslog. backup the post install script, and create a new short one. #!/bin/sh logger -t `basename $0` $* exit 22 (use newlines for the multiple spaces), chmod 755 it, and try to reconfigure zope |
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| 03:55.00 | Supaplex | ikks: dpkg-reconfigure zope |
| 03:55.02 | DoObY | Supaplex |
| 03:55.12 | DoObY | modconfig command not found |
| 03:55.17 | Supaplex | !installit |
| 03:55.17 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 03:55.27 | DoObY | uhh |
| 03:55.28 | DoObY | how |
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| 03:55.34 | beered | Do I need to 'eject' firewire drive after unmounting it? |
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| 03:55.37 | DoObY | with no net heh |
| 03:55.49 | Supaplex | DoObY: the hard way :-/ |
| 03:55.59 | ke6isf | DoObY: apt-get, of course. |
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| 03:56.13 | DoObY | ke6isf apt-get works with no net connection?! |
| 03:56.17 | bjb | DoObY: how did you get your Debian install? |
| 03:56.29 | DoObY | bjb i got someone to burn the net install for me |
| 03:56.52 | bjb | DoObY: net install for a non-net installation - that was handy |
| 03:56.52 | Supaplex | DoObY: you could get wireless working, or use a cd, or external usb drive, dialup, pcmcia cards, |
| 03:56.58 | ke6isf | DoObY: erm... you don't really need a net connection for that, but it really helps to have one. |
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| 03:57.04 | bjb | DoObY: any chance you can get them to burn the other 13 or so CD's for you? |
| 03:57.20 | Supaplex | lol, go for the 2 dvds ;) |
| 03:57.25 | DoObY | bjb, next time i see them probably heh |
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| 03:57.46 | DoObY | they did burn me the 2 dvd`s but they seem dodgy |
| 03:57.47 | ke6isf | DoObY: Is this going to be a box that's not wired up to the 'net? |
| 03:58.00 | DoObY | ke6isf its going to be connected to the net' |
| 03:58.05 | bjb | Yeah, dvd. Can most machines boot from dvd these days? |
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| 03:58.15 | Snadder | hi.. anyone can recommend a distibuted monitoring tool.. traffic, cpu usage, disk failure.. and such stuff.. with maybe a central web interface or something? |
| 03:58.16 | DoObY | but its using an sis 900-based pci eth adapter |
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| 03:58.25 | DoObY | which debian wont pick up |
| 03:58.31 | ke6isf | Weird. |
| 03:58.32 | bjb | Snadder, nagios |
| 03:58.48 | bjb | Snadder, another one is ksysguardd |
| 03:58.51 | ke6isf | DoObY: Do you have access to another net adaptor? |
| 03:58.58 | DoObY | nope |
| 03:59.00 | Supaplex | what's libnids cousin? for creating protocols/packets/etc ? |
| 03:59.01 | DoObY | its a laptop |
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| 03:59.17 | Snadder | bjb, whats the diffrence between them?... who's best? |
| 03:59.25 | ke6isf | DoObY: Buggers. /msg dpkg laptop for that then. |
| 03:59.38 | DoObY | ke6isf, there is an eth0 adapter on there but im pretty sure thats the wireless |
| 03:59.46 | Supaplex | DoObY: well, lspci will tell you the pci resource id, search for that |
| 03:59.54 | ikks | !search modconfig |
| 04:00.03 | DoObY | lspci is installed |
| 04:00.16 | Supaplex | well run it :P man lspci |
| 04:00.23 | bjb | Snadder, ksysguardd has a custom client to display results (sexy) - nagios uses a web browser to display results and is well regarded (afaics) |
| 04:00.42 | DoObY | more confusion |
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| 04:00.48 | DoObY | the eth adapter is in that list |
| 04:00.50 | metalhedd | could a grub error 18 be indicative of a failing motherboard? I'm positive that its loading from hd0,0 and it used to work perfectly.. at the same time I also noticed that my pc has started booting directly into cmos setup about 50% of the time, but everything seems to be correct there. |
| 04:00.56 | bjb | Snadder, you should understand apache config reasonably well before going with nagios |
| 04:01.16 | Supaplex | DoObY: is the wireless in there to? maybe eth0 is really your ethernet... |
| 04:01.23 | bjb | Snadder, I haven't really used ksysguardd much yet |
| 04:01.44 | Snadder | bjb: but ksysguardd is easier to install? |
| 04:01.58 | bjb | Snadder, nagios is oriented towards thresholds and alarms |
| 04:02.02 | ikks | mhh, I tried postinst with the lines told |
| 04:02.02 | bjb | Snadder, yes |
| 04:02.09 | bjb | esp. if you don't know apache :-) |
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| 04:02.19 | DoObY | the wireless is in there as Broadcom Corp: unkown device |
| 04:02.20 | ikks | and also changed basename 0 with the place of the original script |
| 04:02.24 | Snadder | bjb: I know apache.. but want to try something quick.. |
| 04:02.25 | ikks | but I get the same errors |
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| 04:02.29 | Delmar | hey i have a potentially simple problem...when my system boots up it intermittatly, for no reason I can figure... swaps eth0/eth1 around between the two NICs..which drives me nuts. I thought loading them in /etc/modules ie. alias ethx (driver) would set this but I guess not.. Whats a good method to force them in place? |
| 04:02.31 | Supaplex | how can I search for packages that depend on libfoo, regardless of said packages are installed? |
| 04:02.33 | bjb | Snadder, ksysguardd is quick |
| 04:02.40 | DoObY | ok so it should actually be the network card.. but then why wouldnt it be working lol |
| 04:02.54 | Snadder | bjb: nice.. do I get all info on the command line. I mean.. no grafical? |
| 04:03.02 | ftp3 | what is the "debian" command for this " rpm -e --nodeps sendmail postfix" ? |
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| 04:03.23 | Supaplex | DoObY: the mac address should give you an idea. the first 3 number segments is the vendor id |
| 04:03.25 | liable | DoObY: run 'dhclient eth0' |
| 04:03.37 | bjb | Snadder, I remember a sexy graphical display - that was the client though - there is a separate server. I don't remember how to talk to it |
| 04:03.50 | bjb | Snadder, give ksysguardd a try - it's easy |
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| 04:03.59 | Snadder | bjb: ok.. thanks!:) |
| 04:04.24 | liable | DoObY: a sis900 should be supported, its been in the kernel for ages. |
| 04:04.45 | Azar | ftp3: what a rpm is in fact? |
| 04:04.50 | bjb | Snadder, yw. have fun |
| 04:05.31 | DoObY | dhclient eth0 runs on boot up right? |
| 04:05.36 | ftp3 | azar, what I mean is, that command (rpm -e --nodeps sendmail postfix) apparently removes sendmail and postfix.. so I need to know how to do that on debian since I get a "-bash: rpm: command not found" error |
| 04:05.57 | Azar | ftp3: you want to remove or install? |
| 04:06.06 | liable | DoObY: depends whats in interfaces file.. |
| 04:06.08 | bjb | DoOby, dhclient eth0 runs on boot if you have it configured |
| 04:06.15 | DoObY | ah ok |
| 04:06.26 | DoObY | because dhclient wasnt finding anything everytime i booted |
| 04:06.37 | DoObY | but manually typing it in console found the network |
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| 04:06.52 | ftp3 | azar, -e removes |
| 04:07.04 | ftp3 | azar, or so I am told.. is that incorrect? |
| 04:07.05 | Azar | ftp3: http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2005/12/concise-apt-get-dpkg-primer-for-new.html |
| 04:07.14 | ftp3 | azar, thank you |
| 04:07.21 | ke6isf | ftp3: it's -r, let's find an analog for nodeps though. |
| 04:07.22 | Thanatermesis | how to load module B when is automatically loaded the module A ? where i speak "load this module when the another is loaded" ? |
| 04:07.25 | Azar | ftp3: you are welcome |
| 04:07.38 | bjb | DoObY: interfaces(5) |
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| 04:07.51 | DoObY | ill look into it |
| 04:07.52 | DoObY | thanks guys |
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| 04:08.01 | unstable | Where can I get open source games for motorola phones? |
| 04:09.01 | Thanatermesis | lol unstable |
| 04:09.15 | Thanatermesis | unstable try on sf.net |
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| 04:10.19 | ke6isf | ftp3: Look at "--ignore-depends" for the "nodeps" analog. |
| 04:10.44 | ftp3 | ke6isf, yes, but the rpm command does not work to start with |
| 04:10.54 | liable | Thanatermesis: modules.dep is the only place where i can think would work. |
| 04:11.04 | Azar | ftp3: there is no rpm in Debian |
| 04:11.16 | ke6isf | ftp3: This *is* a Debian box you're working on, right? If so, that RPM doesn't work is expected. What Azar said. |
| 04:11.30 | Thanatermesis | thanks liable, i make a look |
| 04:11.39 | Azar | ke6isf: I think he just moved from RH to Debian |
| 04:12.00 | bjb | Delmar, see interfaces(5), it discusses mapping logical interface names based on hardware interface properties. Or something. |
| 04:12.05 | ke6isf | Azar: That or Mandreck. |
| 04:12.17 | Azar | :) |
| 04:12.24 | ftp3 | ke6isf, yes, it is a debian box. I am trying to follow some instructions to install some software, the instructions say to remove sendmail and postfix if they are installed, and that rpm command is how they said to do it.. so I was hoping there was a debian equiv |
| 04:12.27 | liable | Thanatermesis: thats in /lib/modules/kernel-blah/.. |
| 04:12.29 | unstable | fglrx doesn't work... Here is my xorg.conf my uname -r my dpkg -al|grep -i xorg my dpkg -al|grep -i fglrx, and my Xorg.0.log ... What did I do wrong...why doesn't fglrx work? ... http://pastebin.com/596820 |
| 04:12.29 | Delmar | bjb, cheers |
| 04:12.50 | Azar | ftp3: there is and just in the url I gave you, read it or die |
| 04:12.51 | RazaMetaL | hi |
| 04:12.54 | ke6isf | ftp3: Ah, OK, that clarifies it. Let's take a different approach. What software are you looking to install? |
| 04:13.27 | ke6isf | ftp3: Semi important, does it explain why to uninstall sendmail or postfix? |
| 04:13.36 | ftp3 | its a qmail installer (and yes, i know debian hates qmail and has no apt for it) |
| 04:13.52 | ke6isf | ftp3: Is this Debian box newly installed? |
| 04:14.05 | ftp3 | ke6isf, yes, about 30 min ago ;-) |
| 04:14.25 | ke6isf | ftp3: Then it probably has Exim for a MTA. |
| 04:15.28 | ke6isf | ftp3: First off, is there a reason you are using qmail over the other offered MTAs? |
| 04:15.44 | Supaplex | !start an mta war |
| 04:15.44 | dpkg | sendmail sucks |
| 04:16.17 | ftp3 | ke6isf, yes, but its such a long story :-) I just want to use it. I have read all the hate pages about qmail, but for now its what I want to use :-) |
| 04:16.21 | ke6isf | ftp3: Also note that the source to qmail exists in Debian, so you can apt-get and build it. |
| 04:16.58 | ke6isf | ftp3: That said, you need a "non-free" (and probably a "contrib" archive attached to your sources in /etc/apt/sources.list - /msg dpkg contrib , /msg dpkg non-free |
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| 04:17.41 | ftp3 | ke6isf ok, thanks! |
| 04:19.03 | ke6isf | ftp3: Once you add those sources, 'apt-get update', and then do 'apt-cache policy qmail-src' - and read the data in the Descripton field. |
| 04:19.08 | DaLinuxCode | how can I find channels on freenode with irssi? |
| 04:19.18 | DaLinuxCode | I wanna find something related to Space Exploration |
| 04:19.28 | ftp3 | ke6isf, thank you :-) I am reading away |
| 04:19.33 | ke6isf | ftp3: Glad to help |
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| 04:22.07 | Azar | DaLinuxCode: /list |
| 04:22.26 | DaLinuxCode | Azar: I get this thingy |
| 04:22.43 | DaLinuxCode | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:22.44 | DaLinuxCode | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:23.00 | DaLinuxCode | is there a way to find approximate channels by name? |
| 04:23.08 | Azar | DaLinuxCode: there are hundreds of channels here |
| 04:23.08 | DaLinuxCode | if I am not sure about a channel |
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| 04:23.59 | DaLinuxCode | is there a way to find by approx name? |
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| 04:24.02 | DaLinuxCode | like google |
| 04:24.13 | BxL | I have debian stable installed on my pc with no x server and no wm, what package do i need to get if i want an empty gnome with everything to run it (startx) |
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| 04:24.35 | Azar | DaLinuxCode: http://www.irssi.org/documentation/startup |
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| 04:25.04 | ke6isf | DaLinuxCode: Start a session, get a log started, do /list, and grep the log? |
| 04:25.13 | ke6isf | DaLinuxCode: That said, I don't know if channel lists will log. |
| 04:25.24 | DaLinuxCode | mmm... the list is HUGEEE!! |
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| 04:25.45 | UnL0cK | if i place de netinstall iso in the booteable partition(fat32), will it boot? |
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| 04:26.02 | liable | no |
| 04:26.04 | bedouin | Is I have a firewire hd in my fstab and set it to auto mount, will that be a problem at startup? |
| 04:26.08 | bedouin | is=if |
| 04:26.17 | UnL0cK | i have this problem |
| 04:26.25 | UnL0cK | a computer than only boots from c: |
| 04:26.47 | UnL0cK | no cd, no pendrive, no bios touching, iit can only boot from c |
| 04:26.54 | liable | UnL0cK: http://marc.herbert.free.fr/linux/win2linstall.html |
| 04:26.54 | UnL0cK | and c: has win |
| 04:27.29 | liable | !rube goldburg install |
| 04:27.32 | ikks | Supaplex : zope stop refusing to start, it works now, a lot of thanks :) |
| 04:27.40 | liable | meh |
| 04:28.01 | UnL0cK | thx liable |
| 04:28.03 | UnL0cK | a lot |
| 04:28.06 | liable | yw |
| 04:28.07 | UnL0cK | :) |
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| 04:29.08 | ikks | I'm not sure what I did, but didn't debug the file, move, remove, made a mess, reinstalled and it worked. |
| 04:29.17 | ikks | I copied a file from another machine. |
| 04:29.28 | ikks | purged, and worked :) |
| 04:29.30 | bedouin | In other words, are the fw modules already loaded before it tries mounting stuff? |
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| 04:30.23 | Crell | Greetings. Has anyone else had issues with the Wine that's in Sid? It seems to be missing winecfg, and every program I try to install doesn't actually put anything on the hard drive, at least not in the directory it claims it's trying to. |
| 04:30.56 | metalhedd | i cant unmount a hard drive partition. I'm running from a livecd and I mounted a hd partition but now I can't unmount it. it says device is busy but I know its not! |
| 04:31.28 | Crell | metalhedd: Do you have any open windows to it, or any shells that are open to it? |
| 04:32.12 | metalhedd | Crell: no... its mounted to /mnt lsof | grep mnt returns one process 'gam_server' but every time i kill it it respawns |
| 04:32.13 | liable | bedouin: mountall is called before discover so depends how your system is set up i guess. even if it fails, its not a big deal, you can just mount -a after |
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| 04:32.33 | liable | bedouin: but putting the modules in /etc/modules should work. |
| 04:33.11 | Delmar | So, on another topic.. it would seem that there is no support in even the most recent 2.6 kernel for an IDE drive attached to the PATA port of a Promise Technology, Inc. PDC20378 (FastTrak 378/SATA 378). Has anyone got this working? because so far it seems as if it simply doesn't work. |
| 04:33.15 | dark_light | the number of logical partitions under an extended one is 256, right? |
| 04:33.18 | GoAuLd | metalhedd, fuser -k /dev/hd..... |
| 04:33.38 | metalhedd | GoAuLd: nothing |
| 04:33.38 | bedouin | liable: looking at dmesg.. seems like debian ppc loads the fw modules early on |
| 04:33.39 | bedouin | should be ok |
| 04:33.57 | Crell | metalhedd: Hm. If you want to force it, use umount -l /dev/hdXY |
| 04:34.03 | Crell | (The -l is "lazy".) |
| 04:34.06 | liable | bedouin: cool. |
| 04:34.08 | bedouin | just don't want to lose my uptime to find out :) |
| 04:34.25 | dark_light | i can't create /dev/sda16 .. i created on cfdisk but kernel says that /dev/sda16 don't exists (/dev/sda15 exists) |
| 04:34.27 | metalhedd | Crell: THANK YOU! |
| 04:34.40 | Crell | Mind you, that's not always the safest way to do things... :-) |
| 04:34.41 | UnL0cK | liable, i need these loadlin name_of_kernel initrd=name_of_initrd distribution_specific_options |
| 04:34.41 | UnL0cK | , and i cant find them using google@debian search, do you know them??? |
| 04:34.46 | Delmar | dark_light, man how come u need 16 partitions? |
| 04:34.47 | metalhedd | Crell: what does l do that f doesn't? |
| 04:35.08 | metalhedd | Crell: nevermind. rtfm. lol |
| 04:35.13 | Crell | :-) |
| 04:35.16 | liable | UnL0cK: go down to the debian specific bit, its also in the sarge install manual. |
| 04:35.16 | dark_light | Delmar, i create 4.5gb partitions for being easy to backup on dvds |
| 04:35.31 | UnL0cK | thx liable :) |
| 04:35.42 | Delmar | dark_light, i dare u to explain the other 15 partitions :P |
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| 04:35.54 | dark_light | Delma' |
| 04:36.01 | dark_light | Delmar, yeah.. hmm |
| 04:36.02 | liable | UnL0cK: get the hd-media initrd and vmlinuz |
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| 04:36.34 | Delmar | dark_light, I suggest you might be going overkill on the partitions and you should re-think what the hell u are doing hehe :P |
| 04:36.39 | Azar | I wish to have a Debian gaming console to play my games on TV :) |
| 04:36.45 | UnL0cK | liable, i dont understand what you mean by hd-media, initrd and vmlinuz |
| 04:36.51 | dark_light | Delmar, http://pastebin.com/597419 |
| 04:37.01 | dark_light | Delmar, what is overkill? (english isn't my first language..) |
| 04:37.28 | liable | UnL0cK: when you download the images (the kernel is vmlinuz and the initrd is .. initrd) get them from the hd-media dir. |
| 04:37.49 | UnL0cK | ah ok thx a lot :D |
| 04:37.57 | Crell | dark_light: Overkill, like using a hammer to swat a fly. It works, but it's a lot more effort than necessary. |
| 04:38.04 | Delmar | dark_light, what do u need all those partitions for man? what a mess. |
| 04:38.12 | liable | UnL0cK: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/2.6/ |
| 04:38.43 | dark_light | well.. i like to have many partitions. one for downloads, another for music.. |
| 04:39.07 | dark_light | i can have 256 logical partitions, right? |
| 04:39.31 | liable | and a very large fstab.. :) |
| 04:39.50 | Delmar | dark_light, well... here...I like to have the biggest fattest partitions that I can get away with.. in fact.. when I fix this silly problem with this useless promise 378.. i might create an LVM or something. |
| 04:40.18 | dark_light | liable, what is the problem with a very large fstab? |
| 04:40.25 | dark_light | Delmar, hum.. |
| 04:40.57 | Delmar | Anyone here have any ideas on getting an IDE disk working on a PATA port of a FastTrak 378? i just cant make it work :(. |
| 04:41.07 | liable | dark_light: nothing, technically. |
| 04:41.29 | karsten | ~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~ |
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| 04:41.37 | bjb | dark_light, does the device node exist in /dev? |
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| 04:42.23 | dark_light | bjb, no. but it exists in cfdisk/fdisk lists |
| 04:42.31 | dark_light | bjb, http://pastebin.com/597419 |
| 04:42.54 | dark_light | liable, it was what i was thinking:) |
| 04:43.35 | bjb | dark_light, I've seen the pastebin. You have the partitions, you also need the device nodes. What kernel are you running? |
| 04:43.57 | dark_light | Linux neo 2.6.12-9-amd64-generic #1 Mon Oct 10 13:27:39 BST 2005 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 04:44.23 | dark_light | bjb, when i created the partition cfdisk says something about.. the kernel don't like this.. i will see again :( |
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| 04:45.30 | bjb | dark_light, do you know if you're using udev? Look for a file /dev/MKNOD or /dev/MK_NOD or similar in /dev. If there is one, then you're likely not using udev and you can make the device nodes by hand yourself |
| 04:45.36 | Roey | hi |
| 04:45.44 | bjb | dark_light, otherwise you have to learn how to configure udev - good luck on that |
| 04:46.28 | dark_light | bjb, well, hm |
| 04:46.39 | Roey | anyone gotten amd64 snes9x-opengl working? I get this error: http://rafb.net/paste/results/gilLYY77.html |
| 04:46.50 | dark_light | there are a MAKEDEV file.. |
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| 04:47.00 | bjb | dark_light, aha, I just saw your message about "kernel don't like this"... if you can find that message again please show it |
| 04:47.00 | dark_light | hey |
| 04:47.06 | dark_light | for i in 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 |
| 04:47.06 | dark_light | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:47.22 | dark_light | bjb, i will try put an 16 here |
| 04:47.46 | kyncani | dark_light: seq 0 16 |
| 04:48.03 | dark_light | kyncani, yeah ^^ |
| 04:48.05 | bjb | dark_light, MAKEDEV has a man page too - you can get info there |
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| 04:49.08 | dark_light | bjb, hmmmmmmm.. thanks |
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| 04:49.29 | dark_light | thanks you guys=) i will play a little with this |
| 04:49.37 | UnL0cK | liable, im sorry im bothering :-/ but i need your help again... |
| 04:49.45 | liable | meh, a udev upgrade, wonder if it will break stuff. |
| 04:49.51 | liable | UnL0cK: ask away |
| 04:49.53 | donowho | karsten: r u around? the good news is i can get into kde from the x-terminal-emulator. |
| 04:50.17 | UnL0cK | i read the installation guide and the loadlin, and i reach this "The tuning options for Loadlin or GRUB can be found in the netboot/pxelinux.cfg/default text file. Don't trust the outdated ones from the Debian Installation Guide" |
| 04:50.49 | UnL0cK | i cant find the netboot/pxelinux.cfg/default text file |
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| 04:51.30 | liable | UnL0cK: sec, will see if i can remember where i got them. iirc i used the ones from the install guide, its only the ramdisk size you need to worry about. |
| 04:52.01 | UnL0cK | ill also need to worry about knowing what a ramdisk is :P |
| 04:53.12 | liable | UnL0cK: its a temporary virtual file system. i am pretty sure the 12000 is correct. |
| 04:53.33 | liable | UnL0cK: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/i386/ch05s01.html.en#boot-initrd |
| 04:54.10 | liable | UnL0cK: if its not right, it will kernel panic, and say why. come back if that happens. |
| 04:56.12 | liable | UnL0cK: the pxelinux.cfg does say 10934, but i am sure i have used 12000 before. |
| 04:56.30 | liable | anyway, its bigger than needed and i dont think thats a problem. |
| 04:56.42 | UnL0cK | liable, correct me if im wrong |
| 04:56.50 | UnL0cK | "loadlin vmlinuz initrd=initrd.gz ramdisk_size=10000 devfs=mount,dall" would be the command |
| 04:56.59 | karsten | donowho: OK. |
| 04:57.00 | UnL0cK | sorry |
| 04:57.02 | liable | make it 12000 |
| 04:57.03 | UnL0cK | 12000* |
| 04:57.10 | UnL0cK | "loadlin vmlinuz initrd=initrd.gz ramdisk_size=12000 devfs=mount,dall" would be the command |
| 04:57.37 | liable | UnL0cK: rw -- |
| 04:57.57 | UnL0cK | where? |
| 04:58.01 | liable | at the end |
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| 04:58.34 | UnL0cK | "loadlin vmlinuz initrd=initrd.gz ramdisk_size=12000 devfs=mount,dall wr --" would be the command |
| 04:58.41 | liable | yep. |
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| 04:59.01 | UnL0cK | and how will that boot the netinstall iso? |
| 04:59.01 | liable | i havent ever had luck with loadlin, but i havent tried it on windows either. |
| 04:59.04 | dark_light | bjb, "there is a limit of 11 logical partitions sdx5 through sdx15, to allow to be 8 scsi disks on a system (addresses 0 through 7)" |
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| 04:59.28 | liable | UnL0cK: it wont, it will boot the install kernel, and install packages from the net |
| 05:00.02 | liable | UnL0cK: you can put the iso in there, but if you have good net speed, just leave it at that. |
| 05:00.17 | liable | no need to complicate it moreso |
| 05:00.38 | UnL0cK | i already have the iso |
| 05:00.56 | UnL0cK | but well |
| 05:00.56 | liable | just let it get stuff from the net. |
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| 05:01.02 | UnL0cK | roger |
| 05:01.03 | UnL0cK | well |
| 05:01.04 | karsten | donowho: Sort of in the middle of things but ask away. |
| 05:01.06 | UnL0cK | ill be back |
| 05:01.10 | UnL0cK | (i hope so) |
| 05:01.12 | dark_light | i don't want 8 disks, i want only one disk=( i want my partitions the way i want =( =( |
| 05:01.13 | liable | good luck :) |
| 05:01.14 | UnL0cK | thanks a lot liable |
| 05:01.18 | UnL0cK | bye bye |
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| 05:03.19 | JayR168 | how to list all hdd in debian? |
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| 05:03.32 | Thanatermesis | liable i have a problem |
| 05:03.43 | Thanatermesis | your solution works, but if i can "depmod -a" it are deleted |
| 05:04.07 | dark_light | JayR168, what about fdisk -l ? or ls /dev/hd* |
| 05:05.16 | JayR168 | im trying to mount my USB flash disk, how to do that? |
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| 05:05.21 | JayR168 | debian cant aout mount it |
| 05:05.28 | JayR168 | debian cant auto mount it? |
| 05:05.37 | yawg | JayR168: mount -t auto /dev/sd0 /mnt/whatever |
| 05:05.49 | yawg | i think |
| 05:05.59 | donowho | karsten: sorry, was afk for awhile. now, how to paste the log to the site u use? |
| 05:06.36 | dark_light | i don't knew about -t auto, but i know there are a automount somewhere:) i guessed it was another program, maybe a kernel module |
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| 05:07.09 | JayR168 | it says you must specify the filesystem type? |
| 05:07.18 | JayR168 | my USB drive is FAT32 |
| 05:07.23 | JayR168 | how to do that? |
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| 05:08.24 | dark_light | JayR168, -t vfat i think |
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| 05:09.08 | dark_light | and, i think -t auto is 'autodetect the filesystem' and no 'automount' x.x .. |
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| 05:09.49 | JayR168 | why cant debian auto mount my sda1 device? |
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| 05:11.01 | saxible | www.corrputcode.com -> Register :D |
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| 05:11.51 | JayR168 | how to umount a file system |
| 05:11.51 | JayR168 | ? |
| 05:11.53 | tsuyoshi | how do I search for packages that build-depend on a given package? |
| 05:11.58 | JayR168 | how to unmount a file system? |
| 05:12.11 | tsuyoshi | jay: the umount command |
| 05:12.27 | saxible | www.corruptcode.com |
| 05:12.28 | saxible | thats how! |
| 05:13.05 | karsten | donowho: /query dpkg paster |
| 05:13.27 | hatake_kakashi | Anyone got debian Sarge working on their dualcore AMD Athlon64 machine? |
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| 05:13.43 | karsten | donowho: Do you have X running? If not, you can use a console web browser (I recommend w3m or links) and paste within the edit box using a console editor (eg: vim, nano). |
| 05:13.51 | karsten | !tell hatake_kakashi about polls |
| 05:13.57 | karsten | !tell hatake_kakashi about smart questions |
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| 05:14.03 | UnL0cK | im back |
| 05:14.14 | UnL0cK | i have another big problem |
| 05:14.29 | DaLinuxCode | I heard Slask is dying |
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| 05:14.47 | karsten | !tell UnL0cK about ask |
| 05:14.56 | karsten | DaLinuxCode: WTF is Slask? |
| 05:15.07 | DaLinuxCode | slackware |
| 05:15.10 | Supaplex | a fork bong |
| 05:15.13 | DaLinuxCode | by bad |
| 05:15.17 | karsten | !start a distro war |
| 05:15.17 | dpkg | RHEL is the dogs bollocks! |
| 05:15.18 | UnL0cK | karsten i was typing my problem |
| 05:15.20 | hatake_kakashi | karsten: I'm not making a poll/smart question. I cannot get debian Sarge to work on my box which is running similar to what I said as a question. Right now that machine seems to have crashed on kernel panic and I was wondering if anyone else has got Sarge working |
| 05:15.22 | karsten | UnL0cK: OK. |
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| 05:15.45 | karsten | hatake_kakashi: Best thing to do is post a description of the problem + relevant diagnostic information. |
| 05:15.45 | jeffrin | hello all |
| 05:15.47 | UnL0cK | my usb keyboard doesnt work on DOS because its conected to a pci card that has drivers for windows |
| 05:15.53 | yawg | why would they call it stable if nobody could get it working |
| 05:15.57 | karsten | hatake_kakashi: If the channel can't/doesn't answer, take it to a mailing list. |
| 05:15.57 | jeffrin | i have downloaded mail using gnus |
| 05:16.04 | jeffrin | but now how to see it |
| 05:16.05 | UnL0cK | so i cant boot vmlin |
| 05:16.14 | UnL0cK | i hope i can find a solution |
| 05:16.17 | UnL0cK | thx again liable |
| 05:16.19 | UnL0cK | :) |
| 05:16.28 | karsten | UnL0cK: Um. This is #debian, not #dos or #windows. |
| 05:16.38 | hatake_kakashi | karsten: its saying something about swapper Not tainted 2.6.8-11-amd64-k8-smp |
| 05:16.46 | karsten | hatake_kakashi: Red herring. |
| 05:16.54 | UnL0cK | again karsten, i was talkin to liable |
| 05:16.58 | Thanatermesis | i have added to "modules.deb" a "B" module for add when "A" module is loaded, but if i make "depmod -a" , this entry are deleted |
| 05:17.18 | karsten | UnL0cK: Preface your comments with the person you're talking to then. |
| 05:17.37 | hatake_kakashi | karsten: ? should I talk to him or? |
| 05:17.48 | karsten | hatake_kakashi: It's an expression. |
| 05:17.48 | JayR168 | if im in txt mode linux and I try to apt-cache search it returned so many results? |
| 05:18.00 | JayR168 | how do I scroll to the top results? |
| 05:18.01 | Acid`X | what group do the user needs to be in to burn a cd/dvd? |
| 05:18.09 | JayR168 | im in text mode no GUI? |
| 05:18.15 | Nafed | guys im trying to install pearpc onto debian but for some reason when going through ./configure i get "configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs. |
| 05:18.17 | Nafed | any ideas? |
| 05:18.17 | JayR168 | how do I scroll up? |
| 05:18.24 | karsten | hatake_kakashi: Basically: a false lead. I don't think it's related to your problem. |
| 05:18.46 | tsuyoshi | jay: shift+pgup |
| 05:18.46 | karsten | Acid`X: Whomever owns your CD device. |
| 05:18.53 | liable | Thanatermesis: yeah, i dont think you can do anything about that. |
| 05:19.02 | Nafed | if i use gcc i get c compiler cannot create executables. |
| 05:19.05 | karsten | Acid`X: less /etc/group and look for something likely. |
| 05:19.11 | donowho | karsten: pasted it. pls read. |
| 05:19.17 | karsten | donowho: URL? |
| 05:19.19 | Acid`X | karsten, let me check |
| 05:19.23 | tsuyoshi | jay: or use more.. like: apt-cache search foo | more |
| 05:19.30 | JayR168 | guys? |
| 05:19.39 | karsten | Acid`X: You may want to chgrp the device appropriately. |
| 05:19.45 | liable | UnL0cK: you cant boot cause of the keyboard? |
| 05:19.46 | karsten | JayR168: <pageup> in most IRC clients. |
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| 05:20.16 | UnL0cK | liable, i cant type on DOS ("loadlin etc etc") |
| 05:20.17 | hatake_kakashi | karsten: well, I have got AMD Athlon64 dualcore 3800+ running on my other box, after finnishing the installation process and rebooting it. I get information that led to the last few words.. 'console shuts up ...' |
| 05:20.23 | Thanatermesis | liable and not exist another way similar to /etc ? |
| 05:20.30 | liable | UnL0cK: cant borrow a keyboard? |
| 05:20.40 | JayR168 | im not in IRC client |
| 05:20.48 | JayR168 | im in a text mode shell to GUI |
| 05:20.50 | JayR168 | ? |
| 05:20.50 | liable | Thanatermesis: possibly, but i dont know. |
| 05:20.52 | Acid`X | karsten, cdrom @ /etc/group |
| 05:21.20 | JayR168 | how do I scroll up the search results i apt-cache search? |
| 05:21.23 | karsten | Acid`X: Add yourself to that group. Log out and back in. |
| 05:21.27 | UnL0cK | liable the problem is that my motherboard keyboard port is dead, so i installed(win drivers) a pci card with usb ports and plugged the keyboard there |
| 05:21.28 | karsten | JayR168: apt-cache search | less |
| 05:21.31 | karsten | JayR168: man less |
| 05:21.32 | Acid`X | karsten, again? |
| 05:21.37 | Nafed | looking in config.log it cant find crt1.o |
| 05:21.43 | Nafed | any idea what that is? |
| 05:21.43 | karsten | Acid`X: Add yourself to that group. Log out and back in. |
| 05:21.53 | Acid`X | karsten, ok =/ |
| 05:21.54 | UnL0cK | liable, win detects the pci, but Dos dont |
| 05:21.56 | liable | UnL0cK: couldnt make it a little harder could you? :P |
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| 05:22.27 | karsten | UnL0cK: Most folks I know prefer to fix / repair broken stuff rather than insist on pretending it works. |
| 05:22.36 | liable | UnL0cK: try grub for windows option. |
| 05:22.37 | jeffrin | what is the command to read mail using gnus |
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| 05:22.57 | UnL0cK | lilo its win98, not nt |
| 05:23.02 | UnL0cK | liable its win98, not nt |
| 05:23.06 | karsten | jeffrin: w/in emacs? gnus AFAIK. |
| 05:23.15 | donowho | karsten: http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 05:23.23 | UnL0cK | i have this condition |
| 05:23.26 | karsten | donowho: No, the URL for your particular paste. |
| 05:23.46 | karsten | jeffrin: You should have a "help" function in Emacs. Use it. |
| 05:23.53 | karsten | jeffrin: ...else: why are you using gnus? |
| 05:23.54 | UnL0cK | everytime i try something with the computer, i have the worst-case scenario |
| 05:24.00 | liable | UnL0cK: theres a grub for dos |
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| 05:24.08 | UnL0cK | i cant type in DOS |
| 05:24.09 | karsten | UnL0cK: Can I be your friend? |
| 05:24.15 | jeffrin | i have fetched mail using gnus but i want to know how to see it |
| 05:24.21 | UnL0cK | karsten ? |
| 05:24.24 | liable | it still loads the system first i think. |
| 05:24.27 | karsten | UnL0cK: ... so that I'll always know that whatever's happening to me, it *isn't* the worst-case scenario? |
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| 05:24.48 | UnL0cK | karsten "with the computer" |
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| 05:25.00 | karsten | jeffrin: Either use emacs, or a fscking mail cleint, or tell us why the hell you're using gnus in emacs without knowing why? |
| 05:25.11 | karsten | UnL0cK: I'm happy to live with that limitation. |
| 05:25.21 | Acidz0r | karsten: :-( unable to open64("/dev/hdd",O_RDONLY): Permission denied |
| 05:25.32 | karsten | Acidz0r: You'll need group write access there. |
| 05:25.39 | karsten | donowho: Um, URL please? |
| 05:25.49 | UnL0cK | karsten you dont have to be my friend to know that |
| 05:25.51 | karsten | Acidz0r: ls -l /dev/hdd. Paste output (one line). |
| 05:26.01 | jeffrin | leave it |
| 05:26.01 | karsten | UnL0cK: So much the better. |
| 05:26.06 | Acidz0r | karsten: ok |
| 05:26.14 | UnL0cK | karsten its my pleasure |
| 05:26.26 | donowho | karsten: the channel is #debian-bots |
| 05:26.38 | Acidz0r | karsten: brw-rw---- 1 root disk 22, 64 2005-02-26 02:38 /dev/hdd |
| 05:27.11 | liable | UnL0cK: ok, grub for dos wont work. i am outta ideas. |
| 05:27.14 | karsten | Acidz0r: chgrp cdrom /dev/hdd |
| 05:27.34 | UnL0cK | liable thx anyway, i'll let you know if i find the way |
| 05:27.43 | karsten | Acidz0r: ... and 'groups' as your normal user should include 'cdrom' in output. |
| 05:28.21 | donowho | karsten: it is .../2045 |
| 05:28.30 | karsten | donowho: Full URL |
| 05:28.38 | karsten | donowho: Make this easy for me. |
| 05:29.03 | donowho | karsten: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2045. |
| 05:29.10 | karsten | donowho: Got it. |
| 05:29.28 | donowho | karsten: sorry, i am new to pasting. |
| 05:29.32 | karsten | donowho: NP. |
| 05:29.35 | SJrX | How can I figure out what X86_VISWS is as a Kernel Option, as I can't enable PCI support because it's enabled. |
| 05:30.22 | karsten | SJrX: should be in your kernel source tree help file(s). Grep there. |
| 05:30.25 | SJrX | Hmmmmmmm |
| 05:30.29 | SJrX | actually in make menuconfig |
| 05:30.33 | SJrX | what does --- mean by an option |
| 05:30.48 | karsten | SJrX: I think it means the section expands. |
| 05:31.10 | karsten | donowho: What's the current status of your system? This is paste from a successful KDE session? |
| 05:31.12 | donowho | karsten: i hv looked thro' the log. nothing there to indicate any failure that would prevent logging in as non-user. |
| 05:31.45 | SJrX | hmmmmm |
| 05:31.47 | donowho | karsten: the last time i tried, i still can't login as non-root. |
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| 05:31.57 | UnL0cK | liable idk if the debian instalation will locate the pci card and the keyboard |
| 05:32.04 | SJrX | okay here is a problem I can't seem to get PCMCIA working on my notebook. |
| 05:32.10 | SJrX | I guess PCI has to be working |
| 05:32.15 | SJrX | and I've loaded the pcmcia module |
| 05:32.24 | karsten | donowho: You get to the display manager login screen, right? Which DM are you using? |
| 05:32.39 | liable | UnL0cK: a 2.6 kernel should. |
| 05:33.03 | karsten | donowho: ...and again: paste is from a successful or failed session? |
| 05:33.09 | donowho | karsten: kdm |
| 05:33.14 | karsten | donowho: OK. |
| 05:33.34 | liable | UnL0cK: its a moot point anyway, if you cant even get the kernel to boot. |
| 05:33.58 | UnL0cK | maybe the grub for dos will work |
| 05:34.05 | donowho | karsten: this ia a successfule session started from a terminal-emulator. |
| 05:34.16 | UnL0cK | liable im trying the device=grub.exe way |
| 05:34.18 | karsten | donowho: OK. That means that all the parts so far tried work. |
| 05:34.46 | hatake_kakashi | karsten: http://pastebin.com/597456 <--- thats a pasting as far as I can see from the screen. |
| 05:35.11 | karsten | hatake_kakashi: That's a kernel panic. |
| 05:35.21 | karsten | hatake_kakashi: What's the context for this again? |
| 05:35.21 | hatake_kakashi | karsten: that's what I thought.. |
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| 05:35.50 | karsten | hatake_kakashi: Usual causes: bad hardware, bad hardware, bad hardware, bad drivers. |
| 05:36.07 | hatake_kakashi | karsten: after installation of debian sarge 3.1 rev0a via DVD on an AMD Athlon64 Dualcore 3800+ box |
| 05:36.10 | karsten | hatake_kakashi: 3:1 odds hits a HW problem. |
| 05:36.12 | donowho | karsten: it means i can login as non-root from console, start a terminal-emulator and startkde fr within it. but i can't login from kdm to startkde. right? |
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| 05:36.33 | karsten | hatake_kakashi: You might try a boot with 'init=/bin/bash', not loading any drivers, to see what happens. |
| 05:36.38 | karsten | donowho: Correct. |
| 05:36.51 | karsten | donowho: kde very helpfully (not) doesn't provide a manpage for 'kdm'. |
| 05:37.11 | karsten | donowho: ... but there's cmdline help with '--help' |
| 05:37.25 | karsten | donowho: Kill kdm (if you haven't already), then start is as root and log output: |
| 05:37.37 | Acidz0r | karsten: chgrp cdrom /dev/hdd? |
| 05:37.44 | karsten | donowho: 'kdm -nodaemon 2>&1 | tee /tmp/kdm.log' |
| 05:37.48 | karsten | Acidz0r: Yes. |
| 05:38.14 | karsten | hatake_kakashi: You might be able to boot without loading any drivers. You're probably using an initrd. Do you recall how far through the boot process you got? |
| 05:38.17 | hatake_kakashi | karsten: could it also be something related to dodgy keyboard as well? |
| 05:38.33 | hatake_kakashi | karsten: not very far, the first few seconds before it came to kernel panic |
| 05:38.35 | karsten | hatake_kakashi: ... if you've got a null-modem (aka: laplink) cable, you can log all boot messages over a serial port to another system. |
| 05:38.41 | karsten | hatake_kakashi: Not bloody likely. |
| 05:38.48 | Acidz0r | karsten: do i need to relog again? |
| 05:38.49 | hatake_kakashi | karsten: doubt I have that.. :/ |
| 05:38.53 | UnL0cK | liable the problem is, if it doesnt work, i'll lose my computer until i can modify it again |
| 05:39.03 | karsten | hatake_kakashi: If you suspect the keyboard, just disconnect it, ensure your BIOS will boot without kbd. |
| 05:39.04 | UnL0cK | damn |
| 05:39.08 | karsten | hatake_kakashi: They're surprisingly useful. |
| 05:39.18 | karsten | UnL0cK: Life is hard. |
| 05:39.25 | donowho | karsten: ok, will come back later. |
| 05:39.28 | Acidz0r | karsten: nvm, its working now, thanks |
| 05:39.30 | karsten | donowho: ok |
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| 05:39.37 | UnL0cK | karsten yes it is |
| 05:39.46 | karsten | Acidz0r: Cool |
| 05:40.48 | karsten | hatake_kakashi: You might want to try running memtest86+ off a bootable disk on that system. |
| 05:40.59 | bruiz | im new to debian/linux and having a hard time using a MakeFile script that via wrote so i can install a module.., if someone is interested in making some money (ill send via paypal) please msg me, but ill ask here and hope for free help too :-p |
| 05:41.03 | karsten | hatake_kakashi: damn small linux, knoppix, or an ubuntu install disk. |
| 05:41.29 | bruiz | these are the errors im getting when i "make" the driver |
| 05:41.36 | karsten | bruiz: /msg dpkg paster and post what happens when you run it. |
| 05:41.43 | karsten | !tell bruiz about paste |
| 05:41.47 | karsten | bruiz: No flooding. |
| 05:41.56 | hatake_kakashi | karsten: knoppix works fine with the mouse plugged into PS/2 rather than USB. That keyboard bootup failed |
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| 05:42.06 | liable | UnL0cK: set windows as default, and linux as second, so if it fails, windows boots? |
| 05:42.11 | Acidz0r | karsten: i had to remove ro from fstab, that was stucking it too right? |
| 05:42.23 | FliesLikeABrick | when I try to use "deluser" I get "Undefined argument in option spec"... any idea why? |
| 05:42.28 | karsten | Acidz0r: For CD burn? Shouldn't matter at all. |
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| 05:42.35 | karsten | FliesLikeABrick: RTFM |
| 05:42.52 | FliesLikeABrick | karsten I did and don't see whats wrong |
| 05:42.53 | Acidz0r | karsten: okie dokie |
| 05:43.17 | UnL0cK | liable i was just working on that idea, im googling for answers or a tutorial config.sys |
| 05:43.24 | karsten | hatake_kakashi: You might want to see what's different between your config and Knoppix's. Is that a 64-bit and/or SMP knoppix? |
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| 05:44.08 | FliesLikeABrick | karsten I just tried deluser <username> and it fails |
| 05:44.10 | FliesLikeABrick | on 3 systems |
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| 05:44.32 | FliesLikeABrick | all debian/testing |
| 05:44.59 | karsten | FliesLikeABrick: Interesting, replicated. |
| 05:45.03 | FliesLikeABrick | yeah karsten |
| 05:45.06 | FliesLikeABrick | and it has worked before |
| 05:45.11 | hatake_kakashi | karsten: well I know for a fact that knoppix uses debian's testing releases. I ran the latest Knoppix LiveDVD 4.0.2 and it detected the SMP CPUs fine. I do not know if 64bit application programs are enabled and are available on that knoppix LiveDVD |
| 05:45.18 | bruiz | In file included from viapubraid.c:21: |
| 05:45.18 | bruiz | viapubraid.h:9:31: linux/modversions.h: No such file or directory |
| 05:45.18 | bruiz | In file included from /usr/src/linux/include/asm/smp.h:18, |
| 05:45.19 | bruiz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:45.34 | karsten | FliesLikeABrick: Looks like a Perl bug. |
| 05:45.40 | karsten | FliesLikeABrick: 'strace deluser <username>' |
| 05:45.42 | Thanatermesis | how i can load the module B when i load the module A ? |
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| 05:45.51 | bruiz | /usr/src/linux/include/asm/mpspec.h:8: error: `MAX_MP_BUSSES' undeclared here (not in a function) |
| 05:45.53 | bruiz | /usr/src/linux/include/asm/mpspec.h:9: error: `MAX_MP_BUSSES' undeclared here (not in a function) |
| 05:45.55 | bruiz | /usr/src/linux/include/asm/mpspec.h:10: error: `MAX_MP_BUSSES' undeclared here (not in a function) |
| 05:45.56 | FliesLikeABrick | karsten it works fine on my regular debian box |
| 05:45.57 | bruiz | /usr/src/linux/include/asm/mpspec.h:12: error: `MAX_MP_BUSSES' undeclared here (not in a function) |
| 05:45.57 | karsten | bruiz: Stop that |
| 05:45.59 | bruiz | /usr/src/linux/include/asm/mpspec.h:20: error: `MAX_MP_BUSSES' undeclared here (not in a function) |
| 05:46.01 | bruiz | /usr/src/linux/include/asm/mpspec.h:20: error: conflicting types for `mp_bus_id_to_type' |
| 05:46.03 | bruiz | /usr/src/linux/include/asm/mpspec.h:8: error: previous declaration of `mp_bus_id_to_type' |
| 05:46.05 | karsten | !op kick bruiz flooding. |
| 05:46.05 | bruiz | /usr/src/linux/include/asm/mpspec.h:22: error: `MAX_IRQ_SOURCES' undeclared here (not in a function) |
| 05:46.07 | bruiz | /usr/src/linux/include/asm/mpspec.h:24: error: `MAX_MP_BUSSES' undeclared here (not in a function) |
| 05:46.08 | FliesLikeABrick | and karsten I'd appreciate it if you didn't just spew "RTFM" next time |
| 05:46.09 | hatake_kakashi | bruiz: use pasetbin |
| 05:46.09 | bruiz | /usr/src/linux/include/asm/mpspec.h:24: error: conflicting types for `mp_bus_id_to_pci_bus' |
| 05:46.11 | bruiz | /usr/src/linux/include/asm/mpspec.h:12: e |
| 05:46.12 | hatake_kakashi | pastebin* |
| 05:46.13 | bruiz | sry... i dont know how to use dpkg paster yet :-p |
| 05:46.15 | bruiz | i got kicked |
| 05:46.15 | Xenguy | gah you freak |
| 05:46.16 | karsten | !ops kick bruiz flooding. |
| 05:46.16 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: kick bruiz flooding. |
| 05:46.28 | bruiz | srrrry |
| 05:46.34 | karsten | bruiz: DO NOT DO THAT |
| 05:46.38 | FliesLikeABrick | this is the second time I've come here for help karsten and you've spewed "RTFM" at me |
| 05:46.42 | karsten | bruiz: Use #flood, or /msg dpkg paster |
| 05:46.54 | bruiz | karsten ill use flood sry |
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| 05:47.01 | karsten | FliesLikeABrick: On the odd chance that you weren't invoking the command properly. |
| 05:47.10 | karsten | FliesLikeABrick: I think you've found a bug. I'd suggest filing one. |
| 05:47.21 | bruiz | i did use /msg dpkg paster, but i forget the char(10)'s would send without that |
| 05:47.25 | FliesLikeABrick | yeah karsten, odd chance, so why say RTFM if the odds of me using it wrong were that slim? |
| 05:47.34 | FliesLikeABrick | karsten where would I report that bug? |
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| 05:47.46 | karsten | !tell FliesLikeABrick about bts |
| 05:47.46 | yos87 | hi |
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| 05:48.12 | yos87 | What is the best package for partition the harddisk |
| 05:48.19 | karsten | !tell yos87 about best |
| 05:48.29 | FliesLikeABrick | yos87 fdisk is the most straightforward |
| 05:48.30 | karsten | yos87: fdisk, cfdisk, take your pick |
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| 05:48.34 | Jungleland | yos87: "Partitioning" or "_re_partitioning"? |
| 05:49.02 | Xenguy | yos87: cfdisk is quite friendly |
| 05:49.50 | evandro | #debian-br |
| 05:49.59 | karsten | FliesLikeABrick: aptitude install reportbug (if you haven't already). |
| 05:50.19 | FliesLikeABrick | yep |
| 05:50.31 | FliesLikeABrick | karsten, despite the RTFM stuff, thanks for your help |
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| 05:50.52 | karsten | FliesLikeABrick: http://bugs.debian.org/354600 |
| 05:50.59 | karsten | FliesLikeABrick: Looks like it's been reported already. |
| 05:51.04 | FliesLikeABrick | was just searching for it ;) |
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| 05:52.03 | karsten | FliesLikeABrick: Tagged unrepro. I'll submit a metoo and strace. |
| 05:52.04 | yos87 | Xenguy: cfdisk in is nice and easy |
| 05:52.13 | FliesLikeABrick | thanks karsten |
| 05:53.11 | FliesLikeABrick | just curious karsten, what package is deluser in? |
| 05:53.38 | karsten | FliesLikeABrick: adduser |
| 05:53.41 | bruiz | if someone would be willing to help me out (im sure its something easy) with these error messages using "make", i will pay via paypal |
| 05:53.46 | karsten | FliesLikeABrick: 'dpkg -S deluser' |
| 05:53.49 | bruiz | just msg me or something |
| 05:54.01 | karsten | !tell bruiz about paster |
| 05:54.26 | karsten | bruiz: Read what dpkg told you. Go to the URL. Run 'make'. Paste output to THE WEB PAGE. ***NOT*** irc. |
| 05:54.28 | liable | bruiz: generally, if you google the exact error, you will find a fix. |
| 05:54.35 | yos87 | but when I plug my usb flash or ext hdd , it's not appear in both of graphic mode and cfdisk |
| 05:54.38 | karsten | bruiz: ...and what liable told you. |
| 05:54.50 | karsten | FliesLikeABrick: ...also looks as if the bug's fixed upstream. |
| 05:55.02 | yos87 | but when I plug it in the text mode, it will be detected only |
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| 05:55.23 | FliesLikeABrick | how would I get the fixed version, is it available yet? |
| 05:55.31 | karsten | FliesLikeABrick: ...which means you can install it. One sec. |
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| 05:55.35 | FliesLikeABrick | I just installed debian on 2 of these 3 boxes today |
| 05:55.37 | FliesLikeABrick | using netinst |
| 05:55.43 | FliesLikeABrick | so I would assume I have the most recent |
| 05:55.56 | karsten | FliesLikeABrick: apt-get install aptitude; aptitude update; aptitude install adduser |
| 05:55.59 | karsten | FliesLikeABrick: Maybe ;-) |
| 05:56.20 | FliesLikeABrick | these are non-gui machines, I'll stick with apt ;) |
| 05:56.32 | FliesLikeABrick | reportbug shows that bug as outstanding |
| 05:56.36 | karsten | FliesLikeABrick: aptitude is console. |
| 05:56.43 | karsten | FliesLikeABrick: ... either CLI or full-screen ncurses. |
| 05:56.45 | FliesLikeABrick | well i'm fine with apt's command line |
| 05:56.47 | karsten | !tell FliesLikeABrick about aptitude |
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| 05:56.55 | FliesLikeABrick | it doesn't appear to be fixed yet, explaining why I got a broken version today |
| 05:57.06 | karsten | FliesLikeABrick: There are some distinct advantages to aptitude, and only a couple of downsides, largely rare. |
| 05:57.18 | FliesLikeABrick | I'll keep that in mind |
| 05:57.19 | karsten | FliesLikeABrick: 2.85 is available in unstable |
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| 05:57.36 | FliesLikeABrick | can I force install that without using aptitude? |
| 05:57.49 | karsten | FliesLikeABrick: aptitude install adduser=2.85 |
| 05:57.52 | karsten | FliesLikeABrick: ... would do that. |
| 05:57.54 | FliesLikeABrick | ah |
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| 05:58.13 | karsten | FliesLikeABrick: Same syntax for apt-get I think. |
| 05:58.23 | karsten | FliesLikeABrick: ... with aptitude you can also go interactively and select versions. |
| 05:58.26 | sdogi | any idea how to i get correct fonts for debian? like they show in windows |
| 05:58.28 | FliesLikeABrick | is aptitude a frontend for apt? |
| 05:58.32 | karsten | FliesLikeABrick: Yes. |
| 05:58.32 | sdogi | i can't do any web dev like this |
| 05:58.44 | karsten | sdogi: aptitude install msttcorefonts |
| 05:58.58 | karsten | sdogi: mind that fonts display differently in different browsers *anyway*. |
| 05:59.23 | FliesLikeABrick | karsten Unable to find a version "2.85" for the package "adduser" |
| 05:59.24 | sdogi | i have it installed even |
| 05:59.32 | sdogi | well the problem is that with firefox fonts are like damn small |
| 05:59.35 | karsten | FliesLikeABrick: Hrm. You're running stable or testing/ |
| 05:59.38 | sdogi | and unnatural |
| 05:59.39 | FliesLikeABrick | testing |
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| 05:59.58 | karsten | FliesLikeABrick: /msg dpkg pinning. One sec I'll paste something. |
| 06:00.06 | karsten | FliesLikeABrick: Fix confirmed BTW> |
| 06:00.09 | FliesLikeABrick | k |
| 06:00.26 | rabies | dpkg has a good memory |
| 06:00.39 | FliesLikeABrick | is there somewhere that i can just download a deb file for adduser 2.85? |
| 06:00.47 | sdogi | is there some step i need to do to get fonts to display correctly in firefox? |
| 06:00.59 | rabies | FliesLikeABrick: theres a dpkg repository somewhere |
| 06:01.02 | karsten | sdogi: They do. |
| 06:01.08 | FliesLikeABrick | I'll browse the repos for it |
| 06:01.11 | karsten | sdogi: HTML != WYSIWYG. |
| 06:01.17 | rabies | FliesLikeABrick: er, a history archive |
| 06:01.20 | rabies | FliesLikeABrick: google for it |
| 06:01.40 | FliesLikeABrick | ah I see, 2.85 is an old version of adduser |
| 06:01.47 | FliesLikeABrick | I'd rather just wait for a fix in the new version ;) |
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| 06:02.02 | FliesLikeABrick | my need for deluser isn't absolutely important right now |
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| 06:02.07 | bruiz | ok sry, i need some help with this make script, willing to pay, blah blah (results are here: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2046 ) |
| 06:02.15 | sdogi | karsten: well it was working once, actually i don't know if has worked in debian, anyway my fonts displayed correctly on kubuntu and slackware, but somehow in debian they are like very strange, i have to zoom the fonts |
| 06:02.22 | sdogi | karsten: and on some pages i need to zoom out |
| 06:02.23 | sdogi | gah |
| 06:02.29 | sdogi | it is frustrating |
| 06:03.16 | karsten | FliesLikeABrick: pinning sample: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2047 |
| 06:03.25 | Azar | sdogi try asking in #mozilla or #firefox |
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| 06:03.36 | sdogi | ok |
| 06:03.48 | karsten | sdogi: You're missing header files. |
| 06:04.09 | sdogi | hm, header files? |
| 06:04.17 | karsten | sdogi: aptitude install auto-apt; auto-apt update; auto-apt search scsi.h |
| 06:04.28 | JayR168 | how to be super user in nautilus? |
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| 06:04.46 | karsten | sdogi: ... you can also run it in shell mode, man auto-apt and read /usr/share/doc/auto-apt files. |
| 06:04.48 | JayR168 | \? |
| 06:04.50 | karsten | JayR168: Don't. |
| 06:04.50 | liable | JayR168: theres an option in the kde menu's for file manager su. |
| 06:04.59 | JayR168 | im in gnome |
| 06:05.00 | sdogi | i'll try, thanks |
| 06:05.01 | JayR168 | > |
| 06:05.20 | JayR168 | is there any gnome file manager which can be user user? |
| 06:05.20 | FliesLikeABrick | JayR168 in a terminal do "sudo nautilus" |
| 06:05.31 | FliesLikeABrick | er, actually i'm not sure that'll work |
| 06:05.34 | FliesLikeABrick | it might |
| 06:05.43 | liable | hah, seems i cant remember which has what. |
| 06:05.56 | karsten | sdogi: http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/UserContentCSS |
| 06:06.01 | liable | gksu, sux. |
| 06:06.18 | bruiz | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2046 anyone? im sure it isnt hard, make a few bucks while you are here ;) |
| 06:06.46 | Azar | bruiz, I have a job/money and I have no idea about scripts.. |
| 06:06.48 | liable | karsten: your conversation with sdogi was for bruiz ?? |
| 06:07.07 | bruiz | ahhhh ok, didnt catch that |
| 06:07.10 | Supaplex | I'd rather saw logs... nite folks :) zzZZzzzz |
| 06:07.23 | liable | bruiz: people come here to help, offering money wont get it solved quiker.. |
| 06:08.08 | liable | karsten: re, the header files? |
| 06:08.08 | karsten | sdogi: Yes. Most web design is fundamentally broken. Fonts appear differently in different browsers and different platforms. I personally fix that and a host of other platforms with a userContent.css stylesheet to fix the damned problem. You can make intelligent use of CSS to avoid the problem in the first place, though that's largely beyond my experience. |
| 06:08.13 | karsten | liable: Yeah. |
| 06:08.18 | bruiz | liable: i give what i can in return, its worth it to me |
| 06:08.22 | karsten | bruiz: ^^ WRT auto-apt, etc. |
| 06:09.07 | bruiz | karsten: what is WRT? |
| 06:09.08 | karsten | bruiz: You're missing header files. aptitdue install auto-apt; auto-apt update; auto-apt search scsi.h. you can also run it in shell mode, man auto-apt and read /usr/share/doc/auto-apt files. |
| 06:09.12 | bruiz | ok |
| 06:09.12 | karsten | !wrt |
| 06:09.12 | dpkg | rumour has it, wrt is with respect to, or with regards to |
| 06:09.29 | karsten | liable: Stack overflow. |
| 06:09.32 | Azar | sdogi, I do not use kde or gnome, yet Debian Sarge with a small openbox manager and my firefox displays ok I do not understand your fuss |
| 06:09.37 | bruiz | karsten thank you, what is your email? |
| 06:09.43 | karsten | bruiz: Censored. |
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| 06:09.51 | liable | karsten: heh, have a beer. (always works for me :) |
| 06:10.09 | karsten | liable: ;-) Speaking of which, there should be one waiting for me somewhere... |
| 06:10.10 | rabies | and the peasants rejoiced |
| 06:10.23 | karsten | bruiz: um. Why? |
| 06:10.29 | karsten | bruiz: karsten@linuxmafia.com |
| 06:11.03 | bruiz | karsten: as a kind gesture, ill send some cash your way, its my way of saying "i may need some more help ;) " |
| 06:11.10 | sdogi | karsten: if i just could make the windows environment firefox and linux environment one look the same then everything would be ok |
| 06:11.17 | Azar | karsten got a job |
| 06:11.18 | sdogi | karsten: i'll take a look at that usercontentcss |
| 06:11.19 | karsten | bruiz: Not necessary. |
| 06:11.22 | karsten | Azar: Got one ;-) |
| 06:11.35 | rabies | karsten: bay area eh? |
| 06:11.41 | Azar | :) I do sometimes 2 jobs , extra money |
| 06:11.44 | karsten | rabies: Yes. |
| 06:11.49 | rabies | karsten: same... |
| 06:11.54 | rabies | karsten: though not atm |
| 06:11.58 | karsten | rabies: OK. |
| 06:12.04 | rabies | karsten: yep. |
| 06:12.24 | rabies | karsten: crazy how those things work |
| 06:12.49 | UnL0cK | liable me again :P lets imagine everything works and i can boot grub with my keyboard working, how this relates to debian instalation? once grub boots what should i do? |
| 06:12.50 | sdogi | auto-apt is too cool |
| 06:12.54 | karsten | rabies: Where are you at now? |
| 06:12.59 | karsten | sdogi: Innit just? |
| 06:12.59 | sdogi | karsten: thanks |
| 06:13.03 | rabies | karsten: san luis obispo |
| 06:13.09 | karsten | rabies: Go SLO! |
| 06:13.22 | rabies | karsten: hells yes! |
| 06:13.24 | rabies | :) |
| 06:13.27 | Azar | la here |
| 06:13.36 | liable | UnL0cK: once grub loads, it loads the kernel and starts the install. |
| 06:13.46 | rabies | karsten: best town evar |
| 06:13.55 | UnL0cK | liable, and how does it finds the kernel? |
| 06:13.55 | rabies | okay, that sounded cheezy, but i dont care |
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| 06:14.01 | karsten | rabies: SLO? Seems nice, but, well, slow. |
| 06:14.11 | rabies | karsten: our bus system is called SLO transit ;) |
| 06:14.16 | liable | UnL0cK: you told it where it is in the conf file. |
| 06:14.16 | karsten | rabies: I know ;-) |
| 06:14.20 | rabies | heh |
| 06:14.29 | rabies | cal poly alumni? |
| 06:14.30 | karsten | rabies: I was a Goucho once. |
| 06:14.44 | rabies | goucho? |
| 06:14.48 | karsten | rabies: UCSB. |
| 06:14.49 | rabies | cuesta/ |
| 06:14.50 | rabies | ah |
| 06:15.00 | rabies | the drinking college ;) |
| 06:15.14 | karsten | Drinking. Smoking. Sniffing. Shooting. Whatever. |
| 06:15.17 | rabies | heh |
| 06:15.22 | rabies | sounds like a fun place |
| 06:15.29 | karsten | <hic> |
| 06:15.36 | rabies | lol |
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| 06:17.08 | rabies | mm? |
| 06:17.23 | UnL0cK | thx liable |
| 06:17.40 | rabies | a girl from SLO eh? |
| 06:17.44 | liable | UnL0cK: have you found a work around? |
| 06:17.49 | karsten | rabies: Quite. |
| 06:18.07 | rabies | sounds like the start of a detective novel =D |
| 06:18.17 | liable | limmerik! |
| 06:18.21 | rabies | heh |
| 06:18.32 | liable | i once knew a girl from SLO.. |
| 06:18.36 | UnL0cK | im using an edited version of grub that boots a screen with multiple selections and timeout, if timeout is completed then boots the original system :D |
| 06:18.38 | cheal | I want to resize an extended partition containing ext3 filesystems (on a sarge box). parted seems unable to deal with ext3 filesystems. is there a reliable way to enlarge extended partitions containing ext3 filesystems without moving the ext3 filesystems out temporarily? |
| 06:19.10 | UnL0cK | liable i still have to add the debian line to the menu but i hope it works |
| 06:19.20 | liable | UnL0cK: sweet, so you need to move down to the debian kernel and select it. |
| 06:19.27 | rabies | cheal: if it can be done it most likely will be parted, you can check out the fdisk variants or partition magic though |
| 06:19.30 | UnL0cK | yeap |
| 06:19.55 | liable | cheal: remove the journal, resize, re-instate it. |
| 06:19.57 | karsten | I once knew a girl from SLO |
| 06:19.59 | cheal | rabies: partition magic...heh |
| 06:20.03 | karsten | On a halloween night, el Gaucho |
| 06:20.05 | rabies | cheal: good tool |
| 06:20.06 | karsten | There was party and drink |
| 06:20.09 | karsten | A nudge and a wink |
| 06:20.14 | karsten | And the rest of the story you know. |
| 06:20.17 | cheal | liable: I hoped somebody liable would say that :) |
| 06:20.18 | liable | hehe |
| 06:20.55 | rabies | karsten: brings tears to my eyes |
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| 06:21.20 | karsten | cheal: resize2fs, or parted. I think you can resize a mounted filesystem, not entirely sure. I'm a back off, repartition, reformat, restore kinda guy. |
| 06:21.27 | karsten | rabies: <sniff> |
| 06:21.37 | rabies | karsten: poetry at its finest |
| 06:22.00 | karsten | rabies: Damn. I feel like I'm living out my life in a Sinfest poetry slam. |
| 06:22.13 | rabies | cheal: honestly i'd use a bootdisk when dealing with partitions if thats what you mean, but yeah, theres a disk called Hiren's that has a bootable version of partition magic you can get |
| 06:22.32 | rabies | karsten: yep...thats #debian for ya |
| 06:22.40 | cheal | karsten: hehe, yeah...I could rely on other hardware if I get annoyed enough |
| 06:22.54 | karsten | cheal: OK. I like knowing my data's safe somewhere. |
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| 06:22.59 | cheal | karsten: but I've seen that resize2fs can't resize a mounted filesystem |
| 06:23.06 | UnL0cK | liable also i found WINGRUB at http://grub4dos.sourceforge.net/ |
| 06:23.09 | rabies | cheal: i dont think anything can... |
| 06:23.19 | rabies | cheal: hence the bootdisk =P |
| 06:23.34 | cheal | karsten: I like hoping the tools I will use are reliable :) |
| 06:24.28 | cheal | rabies: I'm out of working etch d-i-s so since my knoppix is also broken I tried Ubuntu |
| 06:24.41 | rabies | cheal: what? |
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| 06:25.01 | karsten | cheal: unreliable steps can be re-run. Lost data is, well, lost. |
| 06:25.03 | Nopalin | ey, any one can send a link with a introduction to gtk-engines?? how they works? how i can run they.... they dependen on gtk and gnome? |
| 06:25.05 | cheal | rabies: I thought you meant a rescue disk by bootdisk |
| 06:25.16 | rabies | cheal: just use a live cd of some sort |
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| 06:25.22 | rabies | cheal: theres a million billon of'm |
| 06:25.23 | karsten | Nopalin: http://www.google.com/ |
| 06:25.26 | cheal | rabies: Ubuntu has a LiveCD |
| 06:25.35 | valdyn | !wayttd Nopalin |
| 06:25.36 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Nopalin? |
| 06:25.48 | rabies | cheal: then use that one if you'd like |
| 06:26.02 | cheal | rabies: that's what I'm doing |
| 06:26.08 | Nopalin | dpkg: i wanna know how works gtk-engines |
| 06:26.10 | rabies | cheal: so i dont see the issue |
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| 06:26.16 | rabies | cheal: just unmount the partition and resize it |
| 06:26.23 | Nopalin | i see xfce is a gtk-engine, but it depends on gnome? |
| 06:26.25 | valdyn | Nopalin: read the source code |
| 06:26.25 | cheal | rabies: I still need to know what to do with it |
| 06:26.43 | rabies | cheal: resize the partition using resize2fs or parted |
| 06:27.00 | cheal | rabies: yeah, but parted can't resize partitions with ext3 filesystems, so I'll try liable's advice |
| 06:27.06 | rabies | cheal: http://www.tldp.org/FAQ/Linux-FAQ/partitions.html#resize-a-partition-non-destructively |
| 06:27.21 | rabies | cheal: it cant resize them when they are mounted or it cant resize period? |
| 06:27.24 | liable | rabies: you cant resize ext3 |
| 06:27.30 | cheal | rabies: niice |
| 06:27.40 | Nopalin | valdyn: source only talk abour installation and how i can run it, but i wanna know how it works |
| 06:27.44 | liable | rabies: http://www.hermann-uwe.de/blog/resizing-ext3-partitions-with-parted |
| 06:27.49 | cheal | rabies: period, but liable suggests to convert to ext2 |
| 06:27.50 | liable | cheal: ^^ |
| 06:28.05 | valdyn | Nopalin: you're confused, clearly, the source tells it all |
| 06:28.09 | cheal | liable: aha :) |
| 06:28.15 | rabies | cheal: i dont think you can remove a journal |
| 06:28.22 | rabies | liable: thats not resizing |
| 06:28.28 | liable | rabies: of course you can. |
| 06:28.29 | cheal | rabies: it's apparently a one-liner |
| 06:28.44 | rabies | really? |
| 06:28.48 | rabies | i'd like to see how |
| 06:28.48 | liable | rabies: man tune2fs |
| 06:28.50 | Nopalin | for example... on default debian installacion i type, startx and show me graphic mode.. but it is a gtk-engine? if it is... what gtk-engine is? |
| 06:28.56 | rabies | liable: not on linux |
| 06:29.03 | liable | rabies: i just gave you a link that shows you.. |
| 06:29.19 | valdyn | !gtk |
| 06:29.19 | dpkg | it has been said that gtk is GTK+ (Gimp Tool Kit), a graphical toolkit. You probably want to "apt-get install libgtk1.2-dev", or now at version 2, which may be installed with "apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev". libgtk1.2 is GTK+, libgtk2.0 is GTK2. They are NOT compatible. They are totally separate.. |
| 06:29.20 | liable | rabies: i have done it. tell me i was imagining things.. |
| 06:29.44 | rabies | liable: that link talks about using a partition imager, thats not resizing a partitio |
| 06:29.56 | rabies | liable: infact its not even related, except both deal with partitions |
| 06:30.27 | valdyn | Nopalin: a gtk-engine is a plugin for gtk defining the looks and rendering of widgets, its not dependent on gnome. |
| 06:30.30 | liable | rabies: what? did you even bother to read it? (the title is a good clue..) |
| 06:31.14 | rabies | liable: But this didn't work from the beginning either — for some strage reason parted didn't believe me that the space after hda6 was free. It did display it as free space, but the "resize" operation complained. |
| 06:31.22 | Nopalin | valdyn: if i install xfce for examnple... is another graphic system like gnome? |
| 06:31.24 | rabies | liable: the guy wrote the guide saying that it didnt work |
| 06:31.36 | valdyn | Nopalin: yes |
| 06:31.42 | rabies | he ended up with crappy partitions that didnt do what he wanted |
| 06:31.55 | valdyn | Nopalin: but both are not a graphic system but a desktop environment |
| 06:32.01 | Nopalin | ok, kde dont use gtk, right? |
| 06:32.14 | valdyn | Nopalin: you can check that for yourself |
| 06:32.32 | liable | rabies: whatever, i have done it, say whatever the hell you want, that was the first link in a google search. |
| 06:32.38 | valdyn | Nopalin: ldd /usr/bin/somegnomeapp or ldd /usr/bin/somekdeapp |
| 06:32.55 | rabies | liable: just reciting the guide |
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| 06:33.07 | rabies | liable: i've not personally tried it |
| 06:33.21 | liable | rabies: so stop telling me it cant be done ffs! |
| 06:33.28 | rabies | liable: hmm? |
| 06:33.33 | Nopalin | valdyn: ok, i think i got it, but where i cant find a tutorial or some like that? |
| 06:33.34 | rabies | liable: i havent said it cant be done |
| 06:33.40 | Nopalin | can* |
| 06:33.53 | liable | rabies<< liable: not on linux |
| 06:33.54 | rabies | liable: i said i didnt think you could remove a journal, but it looks like you can |
| 06:33.57 | liable | rabies<< liable: not on linux |
| 06:33.58 | rabies | liable: im not on linux |
| 06:34.05 | rabies | liable: so i cant do man tune2fs |
| 06:34.08 | liable | 16:28 >> rabies<< liable: not on linux |
| 06:34.23 | liable | oh jeez, sorry about that. |
| 06:34.26 | rabies | mm |
| 06:34.34 | UnL0cK | liable i need a final check |
| 06:34.38 | liable | rabies: not you. the point stands. |
| 06:34.49 | rabies | liable: eh? |
| 06:34.52 | liable | UnL0cK: whats up? |
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| 06:34.56 | rabies | liable: what point? |
| 06:34.57 | UnL0cK | liable grub.exe is at c:\grub |
| 06:34.57 | liable | *plonk* |
| 06:35.07 | UnL0cK | liable and i added this lines to the menu.lst |
| 06:35.09 | UnL0cK | title Debian Linux |
| 06:35.09 | UnL0cK | kernel (hd0,0)/grub/boot/grub/vmlinuz ramdisk_size=12000 devfs=mount,dall rw -- |
| 06:35.09 | UnL0cK | initrd (hd0,0)/grub/boot/grub/initrd.gz |
| 06:35.10 | rabies | liable: all i said was that im not im linux!!! o_O |
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| 06:35.19 | rabies | im so confused... |
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| 06:35.37 | UnL0cK | what happened? :S |
| 06:35.48 | liable | UnL0cK: dont paste in this channel |
| 06:35.57 | rabies | liable: under 5 lines is acceptable |
| 06:36.11 | liable | UnL0cK: looks ok though. |
| 06:36.12 | rabies | yes, contradicting you IS fun ;) |
| 06:36.18 | cheal | shrug. after converting to ext2 I still get after resize "Error: Partition /dev/hda2 is being used. You must unmount it before you modify it with Parted." |
| 06:36.21 | UnL0cK | okey |
| 06:36.26 | UnL0cK | then |
| 06:36.37 | UnL0cK | this is the end |
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| 06:36.44 | liable | UnL0cK: no |
| 06:36.44 | UnL0cK | thx a lot for nth time |
| 06:36.52 | liable | UnL0cK: paste it to #flood |
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| 06:37.04 | Crell | What's the command to find which package provides a given file? (Specifically a file I seem to be missing.) |
| 06:37.19 | rabies | Crell: install apt-file |
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| 06:37.44 | Crell | Hm, nice. |
| 06:37.47 | rabies | cheal: have you unmounted it ? |
| 06:37.51 | rabies | Crell: yep...fun stuff.. |
| 06:38.10 | Crell | OK, I seem to actually have this library afterall... |
| 06:38.10 | liable | cheal: so umount it. |
| 06:38.15 | cheal | rabies: it's an extended partition. I'm using Ubuntu and didn't try to use any file. |
| 06:38.24 | carlk | is there an apt util to modify sources.list from a script? |
| 06:38.25 | rabies | cheal: but did you unmount it? |
| 06:38.45 | cheal | rabies: # umount /dev/hda2 |
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| 06:38.49 | rabies | cheal: do cat /etc/mtab |
| 06:38.52 | rabies | cheal: see if its listed |
| 06:38.59 | cheal | umount: /dev/hda2: not mounted |
| 06:39.06 | rabies | cheal: just check the mtab |
| 06:39.24 | cheal | I'm not sure if the output is supposed to be right as it's not a filesystem, just an extended partition |
| 06:39.34 | rabies | cheal: you mount the filesystem |
| 06:39.38 | rabies | cheal: thats what mounting is |
| 06:39.50 | rabies | cheal: but ask liable, i really dont know, he seems to have more experience in this area |
| 06:39.58 | liable | carlk: theres one to pick servers, other than that, you need to hand edit it, or iirc synaptic can do it |
| 06:40.34 | rabies | cheal: dealing with filesystems and partitions has a tendency towards file loss |
| 06:40.37 | cheal | rabies: yeah, but I don't think mounting an extended partition would result in all its filesystems being mounted, so I similarly doubt that umounting it should umount all its filesystems |
| 06:40.38 | rabies | cheal: but you prolly know that |
| 06:40.59 | cheal | rabies: I still need an experience confirming that |
| 06:41.07 | carlk | liable: can I pass parameters to synaptic so that it will just modify the file and exit? |
| 06:41.07 | rabies | cheal: um...last i checked a partition can only have one partition |
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| 06:41.25 | liable | carlk: i think so, not positive though. |
| 06:41.25 | rabies | carlk: you can use a shell script to do that, sources.list is just a text file |
| 06:41.32 | carlk | and if not, where is the source... this seems like something I could do |
| 06:41.33 | cheal | rabies: extended partitions can contain several logical partitions |
| 06:41.36 | liable | carlk: just use an editor |
| 06:41.44 | rabies | cheal: you are talking about the extended partition as a whole?? |
| 06:41.56 | rabies | carlk: try #bash, they can direct you to some guides |
| 06:42.03 | rabies | carlk: or #whatevershellyouuse |
| 06:42.04 | cheal | rabies: yes. I'm trying to enlarge an extended partition |
| 06:42.13 | rabies | cheal: ohhhh |
| 06:42.22 | rabies | cheal: thats really out of my league |
| 06:42.27 | rabies | cheal: i have no idea how that works |
| 06:42.28 | carlk | it gets tricky if you don't know what is in the file. synaptic has the the logic I need |
| 06:42.29 | Flimzy | Is there a good Linux system for handling voicemail (with a voicemodem, naturally)? And then accessing the voicemails probably by a web interface |
| 06:42.45 | rabies | Flimzy: yes there is, but i cant remember the name atm |
| 06:42.59 | Nopalin | if i install xfce, is it compatible with all gtk apps? like gaim? |
| 06:43.03 | Flimzy | rabies: cool :) At least it exists... that's the first step. hehe |
| 06:43.10 | rabies | Nopalin: if you install the libraries for the apps, yet |
| 06:43.13 | rabies | Nopalin: yes* |
| 06:43.18 | carlk | Flimzy: astrisk and yate |
| 06:43.37 | Flimzy | carlk: Two competing solutions, or those work in tandum? |
| 06:43.43 | carlk | Flimzy: (may be over kill) |
| 06:43.47 | carlk | competing |
| 06:43.58 | Flimzy | carlk: I'll look at those |
| 06:44.00 | liable | cheal: are any of the logical partitions inside the extended mounted? |
| 06:44.05 | rabies | carlk: fairly sure that it uses a standard syntax, so you can use a shell script |
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| 06:44.25 | rabies | carlk: the file i mean |
| 06:44.26 | Nopalin | rabies: hmm the same libraries that i use on gnome? |
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| 06:44.49 | Flimzy | Hmm... what would be even cooler is a VoiP server/client that could interface with my POTS line |
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| 06:44.58 | Flimzy | so I could take live calls remotely over the net, too! |
| 06:45.05 | Sonny | hi, how can I know if I have the synaptics driver loaded? |
| 06:45.14 | cheal | liable: that's obviously what I understood, but I can't see how. all what mount outputs from Ubuntu is proc, sysfs, devpts, tmpfs, usbfs and apparently an auto |
| 06:45.20 | carlk | rabies: Flimzy those are VoIP switches |
| 06:45.23 | Flimzy | or maybe I could use Skype to forward calls to my cell phone or something |
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| 06:46.21 | liable | cheal: hrm |
| 06:46.23 | Flimzy | I think I'll focus on the voicemail bit first |
| 06:46.24 | Flimzy | hehe |
| 06:46.37 | carlk | rabies: skyupe will cost you $. I have been thinking of setting up a yate box so I could do VoIP from anywhere to my home phone |
| 06:46.53 | Flimzy | carlk: I assume you mean that for me |
| 06:46.58 | carlk | which would give me "free" calls to my local area |
| 06:46.59 | carlk | yeah |
| 06:47.15 | Flimzy | I'm thinking of setting up an office that I'll be at 1 day/week |
| 06:47.18 | Flimzy | in another calling area |
| 06:47.31 | cheal | Sonny: probably $ grep synap /var/log/Xfoo.log |
| 06:47.32 | Flimzy | Where the only Internet option is DSL |
| 06:47.38 | Flimzy | which means I'll have a local POTS line |
| 06:47.47 | Flimzy | (otherwise I'd just get a cell phone there) |
| 06:47.56 | cheal | liable: indeed. Google has the nice amount of 8 results for that error |
| 06:48.06 | Flimzy | So if I can find a way to forward incoming calls on that line to my cell phone when I'm not there... that would be perfec |
| 06:48.07 | Flimzy | t |
| 06:48.21 | Flimzy | but at the least, I want to record voicemails, and check them from a PC terminal at home or elsewhere |
| 06:48.33 | liable | cheal: wonder if it uses swap for tmpfs? |
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| 06:48.37 | lkthomas | hey all |
| 06:48.42 | lkthomas | anyone using pop-before-smtp ? |
| 06:48.43 | carlk | flimzy, you can have it e-mail you .ogg fiels made from the messages |
| 06:48.45 | leninmhs | hi debian user's |
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| 06:49.04 | carlk | Flimzy: and pdf's of faxes |
| 06:49.14 | leninmhs | im need install mysql 5 |
| 06:49.15 | cheal | liable: that's one thing I'd like to be more sure about...I guess it's time to do that |
| 06:49.17 | Flimzy | carlk: Yeah. That's probably what I'll do if I can't find some cheap/free way to do VoiP to my cell phone or PC |
| 06:49.26 | leninmhs | someone of thier was this |
| 06:49.33 | Flimzy | carlk: I don't think I'll care about faxing. But may as well set that up so it's available if I do want it sometime. |
| 06:49.36 | Sonny | cheal another way? what about that: # dmesg | grep Synaptics |
| 06:50.03 | cheal | Sonny: I doubt that would show in dmesg |
| 06:50.04 | leninmhs | im using debian sarge |
| 06:50.28 | carlk | Flimzy: I setup a FWD.org account and use that for incomming faxes now. free for me, call to NY for anyone faxing me |
| 06:50.37 | leninmhs | the best way for installing mysql5? |
| 06:50.37 | carlk | fwd = free world dialup |
| 06:51.34 | Sonny | Do you know how can I increse the speed of the pointer??? using a synaptics touchpad |
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| 06:52.05 | UnL0cK | liable |
| 06:52.12 | UnL0cK | i found an error in my plan |
| 06:52.18 | liable | ohnos |
| 06:52.19 | Flimzy | So can this yate program interface with a POTS line via voice-modem, and a standard soundcard type device on the remote end for POTS-to-remote-PC VoIP type stuff? |
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| 06:52.27 | UnL0cK | liable grub wont detect my keyboard |
| 06:52.48 | UnL0cK | although i will try now |
| 06:53.02 | liable | UnL0cK: fuck. so you could boot windows again ok then? |
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| 06:53.23 | UnL0cK | i havent try, i was resizing partitions |
| 06:53.25 | UnL0cK | :P |
| 06:53.28 | UnL0cK | im scares |
| 06:53.33 | UnL0cK | but i'll try now |
| 06:53.54 | liable | UnL0cK: ok, with gnu grub, you can have a boot once option, so if it fails, it will boot the other option. |
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| 06:54.27 | UnL0cK | how's that? im using the timeout thingie i told you before |
| 06:54.46 | liable | UnL0cK: although, i was talking to someone the other day, and it wasnt working.. (i was gonna try it on my box, but havent gotten around to it yet) |
| 06:54.59 | liable | sec |
| 06:55.11 | rabies | carlk: sounds like a fun project |
| 06:55.13 | rabies | Nopalin: yes |
| 06:55.31 | liable | UnL0cK: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Booting-fallback-systems.html |
| 06:55.45 | UnL0cK | let see |
| 06:56.01 | liable | UnL0cK: no idea if the windows version is capable of this. |
| 06:56.11 | liable | i doubt it. |
| 06:56.15 | rabies | carlk: gooooooo linux project! :) |
| 06:56.18 | UnL0cK | ah you r right |
| 06:56.18 | LinuxNIT | i cant find kaffeine in the etch repos is it part of another package? |
| 06:56.27 | UnL0cK | i'll stick to the timeout option |
| 06:56.28 | cheal | LinuxNIT: no, kaffeine is not in Etch |
| 06:56.36 | rabies | LinuxNIT: which is kaffeine again |
| 06:56.36 | LinuxNIT | oh |
| 06:56.50 | rabies | LinuxNIT: apt-get.org |
| 06:56.51 | LinuxNIT | a video player |
| 06:56.56 | LinuxNIT | k |
| 06:56.57 | LinuxNIT | thanks |
| 06:57.03 | rabies | LinuxNIT: right, cant remember if its xine or mplayer though |
| 06:57.08 | LinuxNIT | oh |
| 06:57.10 | LinuxNIT | i dunno |
| 06:57.16 | liable | !why is kaffeine not in etch |
| 06:57.16 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, liable |
| 06:57.26 | rabies | LinuxNIT: there are only 3 linux media players that work w/ most formats: mplayer, xine, vlc |
| 06:57.29 | cheal | hum :? |
| 06:57.41 | rabies | LinuxNIT: theres gstreamer based ones and such, but they are limited in functionality |
| 06:58.09 | UnL0cK | liable thx again :) |
| 06:58.11 | LinuxNIT | i didnt see vlc either |
| 06:58.13 | UnL0cK | final reboot |
| 06:58.23 | rabies | LinuxNIT: apt-cache search vlc |
| 06:58.28 | rabies | LinuxNIT: ah, kaffeine is xine |
| 06:58.32 | cheal | rabies: vlc is not in Etch |
| 06:58.34 | LinuxNIT | uh yeah i did |
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| 06:58.44 | cheal | rabies: kaffeine is a frontend to either xine or gstreamer |
| 06:58.45 | liable | UnL0cK: yw :), though, as i say, i have no idea if the win version is capable of this. |
| 06:58.52 | rabies | cheal: yuppers |
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| 06:59.28 | rabies | cheal: thats depressing |
| 06:59.42 | rabies | LinuxNIT: http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-debian.html |
| 06:59.51 | LinuxNIT | thanks |
| 06:59.54 | rabies | LinuxNIT: np |
| 07:00.01 | rabies | you must learn to be resourceful like me! ;) |
| 07:00.10 | LinuxNIT | lol |
| 07:00.14 | LinuxNIT | i am |
| 07:00.16 | LinuxNIT | :) |
| 07:00.24 | LinuxNIT | in a dif way ;) |
| 07:00.24 | rabies | ssurrreee ;) |
| 07:00.33 | rabies | prolly in a more useful way, lol |
| 07:00.41 | LinuxNIT | youre my resource ;) |
| 07:00.47 | LinuxNIT | hehehe jk |
| 07:00.49 | rabies | lol |
| 07:00.54 | rabies | im yer linux pimp |
| 07:01.00 | LinuxNIT | lol |
| 07:01.05 | rabies | now pay up or ill break your knees ;P |
| 07:01.19 | rabies | lol |
| 07:01.37 | rabies | how quaint |
| 07:02.06 | LinuxNIT | :> |
| 07:02.10 | cheal | liable: I managed to unmout all tmpfs filesystems except /tmp, but resize still failed. I don't know if there's a way to determine if it used the swap. |
| 07:02.58 | cheal | would ubuntu LiveCDs or knoppix have an option to make sure they don't use swap if available? |
| 07:03.01 | rabies | now this is why linux should only use a swap file!! |
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| 07:03.14 | cheal | (or otherwise, how could I check if they use it) |
| 07:03.16 | rabies | cheal: i think the noswap option on the boot params does it |
| 07:03.18 | Snadder | anyone using nagios here? |
| 07:03.49 | Snadder | wondring if nagios-plugins-1.4.2.tar.gz works with nagios2.0 |
| 07:03.55 | rabies | prolly wrong |
| 07:04.10 | cheal | rabies: hum, I'll google a bit |
| 07:04.26 | Snadder | looks like the command syntax is diffrent.. is nagios-plugins-1.4.2.tar.gz meant to be used with nagios1.x? |
| 07:04.28 | rabies | cheal: http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man8/swapoff.8.html |
| 07:04.34 | rabies | wax on, wax off! |
| 07:05.10 | rabies | ;) |
| 07:05.21 | rabies | fun is fun is fun |
| 07:05.24 | rabies | and boy is fun fun |
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| 07:05.34 | JamesHawk | salut ! |
| 07:05.39 | JamesHawk | francais or english? |
| 07:05.45 | liable | cheal: are you using the gui one? qt or gparted? (dunno which it uses) |
| 07:05.52 | JamesHawk | allright english |
| 07:05.58 | rabies | JamesHawk: da comrade |
| 07:06.08 | rabies | !french |
| 07:06.09 | dpkg | Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr |
| 07:06.17 | liable | cheal: just wondering if it may call a script to unmount shits. |
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| 07:06.30 | cheal | liable: it's the CLI one |
| 07:06.43 | liable | try the clickety one :) |
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| 07:07.16 | cheal | liable: hum :S do you seriously think it could make a difference? |
| 07:07.36 | liable | cheal: no idea. it wouldnt surprise me if it did though. |
| 07:07.40 | cheal | liable: you mean the clickety one would call scripts? |
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| 07:08.00 | tkup | I get permission denied whenever I try to mount a linux nfs share from osx. Does anyone know why? |
| 07:08.05 | liable | cheal: who knows what they do to make life easier for the average gui user.. :) |
| 07:08.42 | rabies | liable: oohh oohh! im an average gui user! |
| 07:09.03 | cheal | liable: perhaps. the poor thing is that at this level it seems to be the libraries that need the most work :S |
| 07:09.49 | SJrX | is /dev/dsp only created with OSS or does ALSA use it to? |
| 07:09.53 | liable | cheal: i havent ever used ubuntu live cd, so i dunno what it may do, try #ubuntu? |
| 07:10.04 | cheal | rabies: I tried to boot Ubuntu with live noswap |
| 07:10.10 | cheal | liable: I guess |
| 07:10.45 | rabies | cheal: yay? |
| 07:10.49 | rabies | cheal: or awww |
| 07:11.02 | cheal | rabies: I should have said I *am trying* |
| 07:11.03 | liable | SJrX: the snd-pcm-oss module for alsa creates /dev/dsp |
| 07:11.23 | rabies | cheal: ah, heh |
| 07:11.29 | rabies | cheal: if that doesnt work, use the swapoff command |
| 07:11.45 | xptek_ | Sorry is this is the wrong channel, but: If I edit a zone file, does BIND know that? Or do I need to restart/rehash somehow for it to recognize that? |
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| 07:11.54 | tkup | is there a better chat channel to ask about NFS issues? |
| 07:12.27 | cheal | rabies: I'm not sure that has an effect if not called in an early boot stage (which I wouldn't know how to do with Ubuntu) |
| 07:12.36 | streuner | tkup: man exports |
| 07:12.44 | aidan | I'm running sarge. I need to install a library named libmagic, which is part of libfile. I can't find them with apt-cache search |
| 07:12.49 | streuner | tkup: man chmod, man chown, man chgrp |
| 07:12.52 | valdyn | xptek_: you have to /etc/init.d/bind9 reload if you change zone files manually, for runtime changes there's rndc |
| 07:12.53 | rabies | cheal: should just not mount the swap device.. |
| 07:13.05 | liable | aidan: try apt-file |
| 07:13.11 | cheal | rabies: but the problem would be that it's already mounted |
| 07:13.12 | xptek_ | valdyn: Okay, thanks. |
| 07:13.17 | edolly^ | what is the 2006 key about? |
| 07:13.28 | jetscreamer | one each year |
| 07:13.34 | rabies | cheal: it aint mounted when your comp isnt on |
| 07:13.40 | streuner | tkup: if you have the right permissions and the right export config i don't see any reason why you should get permission denied, but keep in mind i don't use OSX |
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| 07:14.15 | liable | !tell aidan about search |
| 07:14.42 | rabies | cheal: point of a kernel parameter is to alter how the system loads everytinh |
| 07:14.48 | aidan | libmagic1, that's interesting |
| 07:14.53 | aidan | what's the 1 signify? |
| 07:14.55 | m_Cyclop | hello |
| 07:15.06 | valdyn | SJrX: using /dev/dsp cripples alsa, you want to avoid that |
| 07:15.25 | cheal | rabies: for noswap, but swapoff is a command |
| 07:15.30 | rabies | cheal: aye |
| 07:15.37 | rabies | cheal: you use it after the comp is booted |
| 07:15.48 | Overand | with alsa, is there a way to enable software sample-rate conversion? |
| 07:16.08 | cheal | rabies: I never used it, but I don't think it would affect a system already in runlevel 2 |
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| 07:16.29 | rabies | cheal: runlevels are relative |
| 07:16.36 | m_Cyclop | can some1 help with debian install on a system with win2000??? |
| 07:16.39 | SJrX | valdyn well how do I use sound? |
| 07:16.43 | cheal | rabies: sure.... |
| 07:16.45 | m_Cyclop | some prob occured!!! |
| 07:16.46 | rabies | cheal: they dont actually change anything unless you tell them to |
| 07:17.00 | Overand | m_Cyclop: do ou want to keep the windows 2000 installation? |
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| 07:17.37 | Overand | keeping the windows 2000 installation, if you haven't prepared problerly, is substantially more complex than just overwriting it |
| 07:17.51 | Overand | (unless sarge has a parition shrinker in d-i now... does it?) |
| 07:17.56 | Kevin` | i'm looking for a debian powerpc ext2(3) filesystem image, anyone? |
| 07:18.02 | liable | not sarge |
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| 07:18.16 | m_Cyclop | Overrand:well the stroy is I install everything piece of cake the problem is I'm using a notebook on a docking station (for ethernet adapter) after I install debian I lose my ethernet adap on win2000) |
| 07:18.16 | stouset | Anyone know of a mapping service (a la Google Maps) that lets you alter the directions arbitrarily? Preferably, just drag and drop sections of the trip onto different roads, and it will adapt the directions to include your modifications? |
| 07:18.19 | Overand | istaht coming in etch (probably/jhypothetically/maybe) |
| 07:18.43 | Kevin` | looking to put it on a comsumer NAS device |
| 07:18.44 | liable | Overand: believe its in etch-di |
| 07:18.47 | Jhair | In a testing AMD64 chroot: |
| 07:18.48 | Jhair | $ su -c root |
| 07:18.52 | Jhair | su: must be run from a terminal |
| 07:18.52 | Jhair | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:18.54 | Jhair | why? |
| 07:18.57 | Overand | liable: neat-o |
| 07:19.03 | stouset | !tell Jhair about enter |
| 07:19.41 | Kevin` | nobody? :( |
| 07:19.50 | m_Cyclop | ???? |
| 07:20.02 | Kevin` | i'm looking for a debian powerpc ext2(3) filesystem image |
| 07:20.17 | Flimzy | Kevin`: Uh.... good luck. |
| 07:20.20 | stouset | Kevin`: Don't think there are going to be any easy-to-find powerpc images using ext3. It shouldn't be all that hard to make one yourself. |
| 07:20.28 | Flimzy | Kevin`: that sounds like a very strange thing to be looking for. |
| 07:20.37 | m_Cyclop | any1?? |
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| 07:20.44 | stouset | !any1 |
| 07:20.44 | dpkg | *** any1: No such nick/channel |
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| 07:20.49 | Flimzy | stouset: I have several PPC ext3 filesystems that I could make images of |
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| 07:21.00 | Flimzy | Of course... I wouldn't be stupid enough to humor such a dumb request |
| 07:21.00 | cheal | muahahahahaha |
| 07:21.03 | Flimzy | But I could if I wanted to |
| 07:21.05 | FarrisG | I cannot for the life of me understand why, in a world where apt/dpkg exists, something as atrocious as yum can be considered anything but sub-par. I hate hate HATE being forced to use Fedora on some of my boxes |
| 07:21.05 | cheal | it worked! |
| 07:21.06 | Kevin` | make one myself? I don't really know how I could do that without installing it |
| 07:21.21 | Flimzy | Kevin`: Yeah, that would be the normal way to make one. |
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| 07:21.25 | cheal | expanded extended partition worked with Knoppix's noswap! |
| 07:21.27 | stouset | FarrisG: Yes, yum is a festering pile of ass. |
| 07:21.31 | valdyn | SJrX: most applications can use alsa |
| 07:21.33 | cheal | s/expanded/expanding |
| 07:21.36 | valdyn | SJrX: ( directly ) |
| 07:21.38 | Kevin` | well the computer i'm using doesn't have a cd drive |
| 07:21.44 | Kevin` | or anything like that |
| 07:21.46 | Flimzy | Kevin`: And? |
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| 07:22.02 | Kevin` | and? how do I get debian on it then :/ |
| 07:22.08 | Flimzy | Kevin`: there are many ways. |
| 07:22.11 | cheal | liable/rabies: thanks |
| 07:22.13 | stouset | FarrisG: I hope it's improved, but last time I used it I was extraordinarily disappointed. I really don't see the justification for not just putting that same amount of effort into improving apt-rpm, for RPM-based distros. |
| 07:22.21 | valdyn | SJrX: contrary to OSS ( where applicatiosn just write to /dev/dsp ), alsa apps dont use device nodes themselves |
| 07:22.23 | Flimzy | Kevin`: Use an external medium... Install on another machine. Netboot. |
| 07:22.24 | FarrisG | stouset: Word to big bird. Just searching for a package takes a minimum of 60 seconds using yum on any of my machines |
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| 07:22.34 | m_Cyclop | where can I get help for my problem?? |
| 07:22.37 | liable | cheal: sweet :) |
| 07:22.39 | Flimzy | Kevin`: And probably many other options I haven't considered. |
| 07:22.42 | Kevin` | I don't have another ppc machine, the computer isn't set up to netboot |
| 07:22.59 | Flimzy | Kevin`: So don't use a ppc. Or set it up to netboot. |
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| 07:23.50 | Kevin` | that would take.. alot |
| 07:23.57 | Flimzy | Kevin`: You can copy the install files using any computer... or filesystem. |
| 07:24.04 | FarrisG | stouset: And when I ask any RedHatter for suggestions on a better approach, they indignantly suggest that I either use -C for purely cached searches (which still take 10 times longer than a simple apt-cache search), or just pipe "yum list" to a text file and grep it mydamnself |
| 07:24.13 | Flimzy | Kevin`: If you can't figure it out... then I would say that's a sign that you shouldn't be using Debian on that computer. |
| 07:24.24 | stouset | FarrisG: Well, they work with what they have. |
| 07:24.27 | Flimzy | Kevin`: I'll install Debian on that machine for you, if you like. |
| 07:24.30 | Flimzy | Kevin`: For $75/hr. |
| 07:24.44 | liable | hah |
| 07:24.45 | SJrX | valdyn ah yes |
| 07:24.47 | SJrX | I figured it out |
| 07:24.47 | SJrX | thanks. |
| 07:25.07 | mrwoody | what is the software that maps each key pressed? |
| 07:25.14 | liable | xev |
| 07:25.19 | stouset | mrwoody: ...the keymap? |
| 07:25.21 | valdyn | !keymap |
| 07:25.21 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
| 07:25.21 | liable | x only |
| 07:25.28 | FarrisG | stouset: Yeah, I get that. It just irks me to no end that someone can, with a straight face, tell me that yum is better than apt |
| 07:25.45 | valdyn | mrwoody: i find it easiest to just use the keymap tool of your desktop environment |
| 07:25.46 | Kevin` | Flimzy I doubt you'd have it so easy either |
| 07:25.53 | m_Cyclop | 10x anyway |
| 07:25.57 | mrwoody | valdyn: how about kde? |
| 07:25.59 | Flimzy | Kevin`: $200 says I'll have it done in under an hour. |
| 07:26.11 | valdyn | mrwoody: i dont use kde, im sure it has its own way.. |
| 07:26.13 | FarrisG | stouset: Or, I suppose I should say, that yum/rpm is better than apt/dpkg |
| 07:26.16 | liable | Flimzy: thats $270! |
| 07:26.20 | Flimzy | Kevin`: Of course I just told you how YOU can do it... |
| 07:26.23 | stouset | FarrisG: I would assume that it probably does have *some* technically superior part. I can't really say. In practical use though, I'd have to say (having used both), that person is sadly confused. |
| 07:26.25 | Flimzy | liable: Yup... that's 2 car payments! |
| 07:26.30 | liable | heh |
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| 07:26.50 | Kevin` | the bootloader and kernel image are in flash, and I don't know the format for the images to update it :) |
| 07:26.52 | weasel_zz | Flimzy : wish my car payments were that cheap lol |
| 07:26.57 | Kevin` | you'd have fun |
| 07:26.58 | stouset | FarrisG: Bleh, as much as I dislike RPM-based distros, I can't really say I know of any problems with RPM itself. But, I'm not schooled in the differences between debs and RPMs. |
| 07:27.07 | Kevin` | or break it |
| 07:27.11 | valdyn | mrwoody: maybe kkbswitch |
| 07:27.11 | Flimzy | weasel_zz, You need a cheap car like mine, then :P |
| 07:27.28 | Flimzy | Kevin`: Well what formatted the flash? |
| 07:27.32 | mrwoody | valdyn: no, I don't have that |
| 07:27.34 | rabies | cheal: np, gl man |
| 07:27.36 | weasel_zz | Flimzy : i hear those kia's are decent ;) |
| 07:27.40 | Flimzy | Kevin`: Most flash drives use some version of FAT |
| 07:27.41 | valdyn | mrwoody: install it? |
| 07:27.45 | Flimzy | weasel_zz, I got an 86 Jetta |
| 07:27.48 | Flimzy | weasel_zz, (diesel) |
| 07:27.51 | valdyn | !info kkbswitch sarge |
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| 07:28.14 | Kevin` | well, |
| 07:28.14 | valdyn | mrwoody: oh its not in sarge i see |
| 07:28.20 | weasel_zz | Flimzy : had one about the sam eyear in college.. used to run it through snow banks.. like a german blitzkreg in the snow =) |
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| 07:28.40 | Flimzy | weasel_zz, hehe |
| 07:28.40 | Kevin` | http://pastebin.com/597519 |
| 07:29.14 | Sonny | !atheros |
| 07:29.48 | Sonny | !madwifi |
| 07:29.48 | dpkg | i heard madwifi is at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian, or #madwifi, or http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/madwifi, or to install madwifi drivers built against standard Debian kernel images (woody/sarge only) see '/msg dpkg madwifi-install' |
| 07:29.53 | Sonny | !madwifi-install |
| 07:29.54 | dpkg | somebody said madwifi-install was like, to install madwifi drivers built against the Debian standard kernel builds for woody/sarge, add "deb http://debian.isg.ee.ethz.ch/public sarge madwifi" to /etc/apt/sources.list, then as root: "apt-get update ; apt-get install module-assistant madwifi-source kernel-headers-$(uname -r)" then: "m-a a-i madwifi". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0. |
| 07:29.54 | weasel_zz | anyone have any pointers on a irc channel for mud ops? |
| 07:30.04 | Kevin` | bear in mind this has no keyboard or monitor, and I don't have a level converter for the serial port |
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| 07:30.28 | Flimzy | Kevin`: I've done that all before... on a sparc. |
| 07:30.29 | weasel_zz | Kevin` : what are you working on? |
| 07:30.36 | Flimzy | Kevin`: I'm sure I could do it on a ppc, too. |
| 07:30.41 | Sonny | do you know how to install mdwifi drivers in debian etch? |
| 07:30.45 | Kevin` | a dline dsm-g600 |
| 07:30.48 | Kevin` | dlink* |
| 07:30.57 | Flimzy | Kevin`: But.. .if you can't do it... it's a sign that you shouldn't be using debian on that machine. |
| 07:30.59 | rabies | madwifi drivers are sooo nice |
| 07:31.10 | rabies | same with the hostap drivers |
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| 07:31.34 | Kevin` | Flimzy your not bieng very helpful.. "you should be able to do it, but I won't tell you how" |
| 07:31.40 | SJrX | I have the smbfs module installed and loaded yet when I try to mount a share I get a message about a bad block or other error. |
| 07:31.48 | rabies | Kevin`: whatcha trying to do |
| 07:31.53 | twirl83 | does an NNTP server send IHAVE command to a client(newsreader), or it is only sent to other servers ? |
| 07:31.53 | Flimzy | Kevin`: I have told you how. You've ignored my suggestions. |
| 07:31.58 | Kevin` | put something more useful on the device |
| 07:32.06 | Kevin` | use external storage, netboot |
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| 07:32.25 | Flimzy | Yup, those are all options |
| 07:32.37 | Flimzy | Kevin`: Nonetheless... even if I don't tell you how... if you can't figure it out, you shouldn't be doing it. |
| 07:32.40 | rabies | Kevin`: well...you can use an emulator |
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| 07:32.47 | rabies | Kevin`: it'll be slow, but it'll work |
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| 07:33.01 | Kevin` | Flimzy lets start simple.. how do I replace the kernel image |
| 07:33.15 | rabies | Kevin`: http://pearpc.sourceforge.net/ |
| 07:33.15 | Flimzy | Kevin`: Why would you want to? |
| 07:33.45 | Flimzy | Kevin`: Altho the how would be... either cross-compile... or install Debian first, then compile on the target machine itself. |
| 07:33.51 | yonkeltron | Kevin`: what would make you want to do that? |
| 07:34.04 | rabies | Kevin`: install debian onto "powerpc" using the emulator, set up the system how you want, and voila! a powerpc filesystem image... |
| 07:34.16 | Kevin` | well it's using.. |
| 07:34.19 | Nafed | hmm my DoObY client wouldnt send text... anywho.. |
| 07:34.24 | Kevin` | Linux DSM-G600 2.4.21-pre4 #480 ¥| 8¤ë 25 17:39:08 CST 2005 ppc unknown |
| 07:34.32 | Kevin` | bit old, i'd like something newer on it |
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| 07:34.37 | Nafed | i myself am trying to install pearpc but im missing crt1.o |
| 07:34.43 | Nafed | does anyone know what it is |
| 07:34.48 | Nafed | and where i can obtain it |
| 07:34.51 | Flimzy | Kevin`: If it were me, I'd copy the contents of the netboot CD to the hard drive. Then boot from the hard drive using that kernel and initrd. |
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| 07:35.02 | Kevin` | how do I boot to the hard drive |
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| 07:35.24 | rabies | Kevin`: fine, ignore me |
| 07:35.26 | Flimzy | Kevin`: Uhm. If you don't know how to boot from the hard drive, how do you expect to boot Linux once it's installed? |
| 07:35.32 | rabies | Kevin`: if you want to rant, rant! |
| 07:35.34 | Flimzy | Kevin`: He seems to like doing that. |
| 07:35.44 | Kevin` | rabies I saw what you said |
| 07:35.52 | rabies | Kevin`: im sure |
| 07:36.05 | Flimzy | I think what Kevin` needs is TrollOS |
| 07:36.22 | Kevin` | Flimzy well I thought you would know, you said you'd have it up in an hour, assuming i'm a complete idiot |
| 07:36.22 | rabies | seriously |
| 07:36.34 | rabies | Flimzy: you arent acting too much better though =p |
| 07:36.34 | deb_troll | Flimzy : i resent that =P |
| 07:36.38 | rabies | deb_troll: lol |
| 07:36.42 | Flimzy | deb_troll, hehe |
| 07:37.10 | Flimzy | Kevin`: I said I'd have it up in an hour, or give you $200. |
| 07:37.22 | Flimzy | Kevin`: Even so, that doesn't mean I know everything... but it means I could learn it. |
| 07:37.31 | rabies | Flimzy: just redirect the guy to a guide of some sort and let him fumble it out |
| 07:37.37 | Flimzy | (where it == what I need to know... not where it == everything) |
| 07:37.45 | Nafed | whats he trying to do? |
| 07:37.59 | rabies | Nafed: make a powerpc filesystem image with ext3 i think |
| 07:38.05 | weasell_00 | Flimzy : would the firmware be done in assembly? ;) |
| 07:38.11 | Gokee2_Laptop | hey all I have a problem with my xserver. it says bad display name "Gokee2;0" in "remove" command I can start it with startx -display :0..... how do I fix it so it starts right with out me doing that? |
| 07:38.15 | rabies | Nafed: doesnt seem too hard honestly |
| 07:38.17 | Flimzy | rabies: The Debian install guide I guess would be the starting point (that's where I got guidince for my installs-sans-removable-media) |
| 07:38.23 | Kevin` | well i'd like to install it natively somehow.. an image would help for testing |
| 07:38.29 | Flimzy | weasell_00, eh? |
| 07:38.38 | rabies | Kevin`: partimage can be used to place the image on the hd when you want to |
| 07:38.45 | rabies | Flimzy: sure, that works |
| 07:38.56 | liable | Sonny: you still trying to install it? |
| 07:38.57 | weasell_00 | Flimzy : sorry answered my own convoluded question .. |
| 07:38.58 | rabies | Flimzy: if he doenst want help, hes not going to accept help... |
| 07:38.58 | Flimzy | Kevin`: read the Debian Install docs on debian.org |
| 07:39.03 | Jhair | mount /proc /proc -t proc in the chroot fixed the problem, thanks |
| 07:39.25 | rabies | weasell_00: sweet... |
| 07:39.28 | Flimzy | rabies: how's that? (I assumed he'd already looked at that... but I realize now that's probably a stupid assumption) |
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| 07:39.38 | Kevin` | if it was as simple as putting something on the hard drive i'd be done by now :/ |
| 07:39.47 | rabies | Flimzy: if someone comes online saying "i cant do it" they usually have the mind set that they cant do it |
| 07:39.56 | rabies | Flimzy: they arent looking for advice, they're looking for validation |
| 07:39.57 | Flimzy | rabies: Indeed |
| 07:40.01 | emad | can someone show me what their ~/.gconf/desktop/gnome/url-handlers/http/%gconf.xml looks like |
| 07:40.09 | Flimzy | rabies: i can give him validation :) |
| 07:40.17 | Kevin` | oh, I could try to do it, but no one has yet made a firmware image for this device, to my knowledge |
| 07:40.17 | rabies | Flimzy: they want someone to say "you cant do it, you're right that it cant be done" |
| 07:40.17 | Flimzy | Kevin`: You're right. It's impossible. |
| 07:40.18 | Nafed | Kevin` tell me exactly what your trying to do |
| 07:40.19 | rabies | heh |
| 07:40.46 | Flimzy | Nafed: He's trying to waste our time by asking for advice, then ignoring our suggestions saying "If that was possibble I would have done it already" |
| 07:40.52 | Flimzy | wihtout even trying first |
| 07:40.57 | Kevin` | try what |
| 07:40.59 | Nafed | ah |
| 07:41.03 | Nafed | in that case |
| 07:41.13 | weasell_00 | rabies : but there are those who come in saying "i cant do that...till someone can point me down the right path" |
| 07:41.19 | Nafed | you got any idea what crt1.o is Flimzy? :P |
| 07:41.27 | rabies | weasell_00: yep, and usually those people ask questions after the inital one =p |
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| 07:41.40 | Flimzy | Nafed: Nope. Not really. Aside from an object file... hehe. |
| 07:41.40 | rabies | weasell_00: not argue with the person giving help saying that it cant be done w/o even trying |
| 07:41.51 | Kevin` | heh screw it, noone here's gonna know how to do anything with it |
| 07:41.56 | liable | Kevin`: you realise theres a #debian-ppc? |
| 07:42.07 | Flimzy | Kevin`: Nothing. Don't try anything. All the possibilities are impossibilities. That's why you haven't done it yet. |
| 07:42.32 | rabies | weasell_00: o yea, i should be a psyche major ;) |
| 07:42.33 | bruiz | bruiz mdadm: add new device failed for /dev/sda1: Device or resource busy |
| 07:42.33 | bruiz | bruiz i can also install knoppix on a third hard drive temporaily |
| 07:42.55 | rabies | lol... |
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| 07:43.09 | Nafed | Kevin`, ive asked you a few times now what your trying to do so that i can offer help. Are you really prepared to accept any advise we give you? |
| 07:43.10 | rabies | cookies! |
| 07:43.15 | Kevin` | Flimzy I could recompile the bootloader to boot from lan or hd, and dd+hexedit a firmware image together hoping it's the right format |
| 07:43.32 | Kevin` | that's my current knowledge of what I could do |
| 07:43.39 | Kevin` | and I really feel unsafe trying that |
| 07:43.44 | Flimzy | Kevin`: Ahh! Sounds like maybe there IS hope then!! |
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| 07:43.57 | Flimzy | Kevin`: So why don't you try that, instead of bugging us? |
| 07:44.06 | emad | i'm used to using gnome-terminal to right click on a link and have it "Open Link" a few days ago, instead of handling the URL with firefox, it began using epiphany, i tried changing the setting in preferred applications and alternatives, but that has not been helpful, i've looked at the .gconf settings and while i think they are correct, i would appreciate if someone msged me what they have in the file ... |
| 07:44.12 | emad | ... "~/.gconf/desktop/gnome/url-handlers/http/%gconf.xml" |
| 07:44.29 | Kevin` | would you try that if you were in my place? |
| 07:44.31 | rabies | emad: i'd try #gnome on irc.gimp.org, they are really good with those types of issues |
| 07:44.37 | weasel_00 | if it was me and i was this worried about it i would unmount the chip, dup it, reseat it, try it.. then redup and try again *shrug* |
| 07:44.44 | Flimzy | Kevin`: If it came to it. |
| 07:44.49 | liable | emad: you could try update-alternatives too |
| 07:44.55 | emad | liable: also tried that |
| 07:44.58 | stouset | emad: Don't have that file. |
| 07:45.01 | Flimzy | Kevin`: I'd probably try some of my other suggestions first, tho. But those are impossible, or else you would have already tried them. |
| 07:45.11 | Nafed | hehehe |
| 07:45.15 | Kevin` | I don't see how they apply to the situatino |
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| 07:45.27 | Flimzy | Kevin`: Sadly, I believe that. |
| 07:45.30 | Flimzy | That you don't see how they apply. |
| 07:45.32 | liable | emad: check the bts then. sounds like a bug. |
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| 07:45.40 | Gokee2_Laptop | Hey all I have a problem with my xserver. it says bad display name "Gokee2;0" in "remove" command I can start it with startx -display :0..... how do I fix it so it starts right with out me doing that? |
| 07:45.47 | Kevin` | and I believe you.. makes me mad :/ |
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| 07:46.07 | Flimzy | Kevin`: Well at least we trust each other to tell the truth now!! :P |
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| 07:46.20 | Nafed | impossible... |
| 07:46.22 | weasel_00 | rabies : i learn more from just listening to whats going on ... =) |
| 07:46.23 | liable | awww :) |
| 07:46.24 | Red_Cloud | I would like to install the debian package Moodin - KDE and Fusion. How do I make this a custom debian package in Kpackage? |
| 07:46.32 | rabies | weasel_00: hmm? |
| 07:46.41 | Flimzy | Kevin`: I think you know what you need to do. |
| 07:46.48 | Flimzy | Kevin`: if I were you, I'd start on that. |
| 07:46.53 | weasel_00 | rabies : nm hehe |
| 07:47.01 | rabies | weasel_00: 'tis good for learning , i agree |
| 07:47.13 | Kevin` | wait for someone else with some flash restore hardware to do it first |
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| 07:47.30 | Gokee2_Laptop | Red_Cloud, Hey you were in #debian_overflow a few days ago right? |
| 07:47.37 | Flimzy | Kevin`: Is the only storage medium in the ppc the flash device? |
| 07:47.47 | weasel_00 | Kevin` : you can pick that up from radiohack or mouser electronics for cheap |
| 07:47.56 | Kevin` | Flimzy no, has an ide drive, but the bios doesn't boot from that |
| 07:48.08 | Flimzy | Kevin`: Then how do you expect to boot at all? |
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| 07:48.15 | foo | Uh, I do sudo su and I get this: sudo: unable to lookup atypical via gethostbyname() .... and the term then gets distorted. Really weird. Any ideas? |
| 07:48.23 | Red_Cloud | Gokee2_Laptop, yes |
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| 07:48.38 | Kevin` | install a bootloader cabable of loading a kernel from hd ala grub (only not grub, of course0 |
| 07:48.48 | liable | foo: why are you even doing that? why not just su? |
| 07:48.53 | Kevin` | weasel_00 what would such a device be called? |
| 07:49.17 | foo | liable: sudo su and su is not the same. |
| 07:49.18 | Flimzy | Kevin`: so install that boot loader... then copy the install CD contents to the HD, and install from there. |
| 07:49.49 | liable | foo: once again, why are you doing sudo su and not su? |
| 07:49.54 | Gokee2_Laptop | foo, I get the same thing while useing sudo... |
| 07:50.01 | Flimzy | Kevin`: What excactly _can_ you boot from right now, BTW? |
| 07:50.08 | Gokee2_Laptop | liable, He does not know the root password? |
| 07:50.24 | Kevin` | the factory installed linux firwmare |
| 07:50.24 | foo | liable: I want to enter MY password, not the root ... sudo su != su. |
| 07:50.27 | karsten | foo: Though I usually do 'sudo su -', note that 'sudo -i' should be equivalent. |
| 07:50.30 | liable | Gokee2_Laptop: there are better ways around that. |
| 07:50.45 | Gokee2_Laptop | liable, eh? Like what? |
| 07:50.51 | Flimzy | Kevin`: And where is that linux firmware? On the hard drive? or a ROM chip? |
| 07:50.58 | Kevin` | flash chip |
| 07:51.00 | liable | Gokee2_Laptop: boot single and change it. |
| 07:51.04 | karsten | foo: Check that you've got a hostname entry for loopback in /etc/hosts |
| 07:51.20 | Flimzy | Kevin`: So you can boot Linux now? |
| 07:51.26 | Flimzy | Kevin`: And access the hard drive? |
| 07:51.29 | foo | karsten: heh, I think I found a bug. That drops me into root without even prompting me for the password. |
| 07:51.34 | Kevin` | sort of, ya |
| 07:51.38 | Flimzy | sort of? |
| 07:51.54 | karsten | foo: 'sudo -k; sudo -i' |
| 07:51.57 | karsten | foo: Try that. |
| 07:52.05 | Gokee2_Laptop | karsten, I have one "127.0.0.1 localhost" so why does mine give me that message? |
| 07:52.13 | Kevin` | Kevin`:~/dsmg600a# cat fun_plug |
| 07:52.13 | Kevin` | #!/bin/sh |
| 07:52.13 | Kevin` | dmesg > /mnt/HD_a2/dmesg.out |
| 07:52.13 | Kevin` | #/mnt/HD_a2/busybox nc >/mnt/HD_a2/temp 2>/mnt/HD_a2/temp2 & |
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| 07:53.15 | karsten | Gokee2_Laptop: Add your hostname to that entry. Should solve the case for when you odn't have a DNS entry for your host. |
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| 07:53.19 | liable | karsten: why do you 'sudo su'? |
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| 07:53.49 | karsten | liable: Old school, knew it worked, finger memory, and didn't bother reading the manpage for a substitute. |
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| 07:54.06 | karsten | liable: So every once in a while I remember that 'sudo -i' is equivalent. |
| 07:54.15 | karsten | liable: ... then I forget it again. |
| 07:54.30 | Gokee2_Laptop | karsten, Nice thanks |
| 07:54.45 | Gokee2_Laptop | now if I could just get my xserver going I would be happy |
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| 07:55.09 | Gokee2_Laptop | what does the -i stand for? |
| 07:55.23 | Gokee2_Laptop | and why is it better then su? |
| 07:56.31 | Gokee2_Laptop | and what do I do about my bad display name "Gokee2;0" in "remove" command problem? |
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| 07:57.32 | Nafed | checking for C compiler default output name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables <--- i keep getting that error on a particular compile.. looking in config.log is also saying /usr/bin/ld: crt1.o: No Such file or directory |
| 07:57.41 | Nafed | anyone know a possible solution to this problem |
| 07:58.18 | Nafed | im running gcc v 3.3.5 |
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| 07:58.52 | Flimzy | Nafed: Sounds like it can't find gcc. |
| 07:59.03 | liable | !b-e Nafed |
| 07:59.03 | dpkg | Nafed: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 07:59.18 | Nafed | okay, brb |
| 07:59.20 | Flimzy | Nafed: I've seen similar errors during ./configure when I didn't have gcc installed |
| 07:59.29 | karsten | Gokee2_Laptop: RTFM for '-i' You're avoiding yet another process. |
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| 08:02.38 | Nafed | ok b-e fixed that |
| 08:02.49 | Nafed | just gotta work out this X issue now lol |
| 08:02.52 | Gokee2_Laptop | Ah I see |
| 08:03.05 | Gokee2_Laptop | man pages tell usefull things sometimes |
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| 08:05.00 | foo | Anyone in here on a fast connection? Maybe more than 10Mbit download? I need someone to test something ... hm. |
| 08:05.31 | liable | wheres guerin when you need him.. |
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| 08:06.18 | Vooloo | anyone know of a software that could remote monitor webhosts uptime with such as http, mysql, ftp, pop, imap etc. clientside? |
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| 08:06.46 | H2OyJaBoN | hi ! how to take a screenshot of GDM Screen? |
| 08:07.05 | unstable | H2OyJaBoN: take a picture of it, then crop it |
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| 08:07.24 | H2OyJaBoN | unstable, but how..? |
| 08:07.38 | unstable | H2OyJaBoN: use xnest |
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| 08:08.01 | unstable | H2OyJaBoN: run gdmconfig |
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| 08:08.19 | unstable | Run gdmconfig, there's an option under background for running a program |
| 08:08.19 | unstable | to set the background. You could set this to a script, which first sets |
| 08:08.19 | unstable | your real background and then calls your screen capture program (one |
| 08:08.37 | unstable | which requires user intervention to actually make the capture). |
| 08:08.47 | unstable | woops, that was supposed to be one line. |
| 08:09.13 | unstable | Xnest -geometry 1024x768 :1 -query localhost & |
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| 08:10.05 | unstable | chvt 7 ; sleep 5 ; XAUTHORITY=/var/gdm/:0.Xauth DISPLAY=:0.0 import -window root /tmp/gdm-shot.png |
| 08:10.09 | unstable | also works |
| 08:10.50 | H2OyJaBoN | ok thankS i'll try |
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| 08:14.44 | Thanatermesis | how i can load the module B when i load the module A (kernel) ? exist this way touching a /etc file and no the modules.deb of /lib/modules... ? |
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| 08:16.14 | jetscreamer | hey unstable i take it if you don't use a ?dm you would need a wee bit more in that Xnest command |
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| 08:16.51 | liable | Thanatermesis: http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0407.0/0316.html |
| 08:17.45 | liable | Thanatermesis: actually, thats not gonna help.. |
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| 08:18.48 | DoObY | nafed here again, new problem |
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| 08:19.17 | Thanatermesis | alias ? mmmh... |
| 08:19.29 | DoObY | ive got xserver-xfree-dbg installed but on compile it cant find X or XOpenDesktop |
| 08:19.40 | DoObY | compile for pearpc that is |
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| 08:21.48 | EruditeHermit | hey, can anyone help me? I get this error when I do an apt-get update: W: GPG error: http://ftp.us.debian.org testing Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 010908312D230C5F Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2006) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 08:22.07 | EruditeHermit | I have the debian-keyring package installed |
| 08:22.30 | kombinator | EruditeHermit: I've just run into the same problem |
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| 08:23.09 | EruditeHermit | kombinator: any ideas as to why? |
| 08:23.51 | kombinator | not really, the only thing that I can associate with this is GPG security upgrade |
| 08:24.06 | nadjyla | hello |
| 08:24.10 | kombinator | but I don't know if this is the cause |
| 08:24.15 | cheal | EruditeHermit: when was your last successful update on this system? |
| 08:24.33 | EruditeHermit | cheal: yesterday |
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| 08:26.19 | kombinator | oh, and I don't even have the new GPG installed, so it's not this |
| 08:26.47 | SimonRaven | just run it again. should clear up |
| 08:27.31 | jetscreamer | how the hell do you get anything to actually run in Xnest if all that comes up is the basic root window |
| 08:27.40 | m_Cyclop | what about debian and win2000??? |
| 08:27.40 | kombinator | EruditeHermit: what mirror are you using? maybe the fault is on the mirror side |
| 08:27.52 | jetscreamer | xterm -display :1 <--didn't work |
| 08:28.15 | jetscreamer | what about debian and w2k |
| 08:28.18 | EruditeHermit | kombinator: ftp.us.d.o |
| 08:28.19 | jetscreamer | i have both here |
| 08:29.19 | kombinator | ftp.d.o in my case, but it can be the same mirror |
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| 08:30.15 | SimonRaven | jetscreamer: easy, you just run some wm and some clients |
| 08:30.27 | liable | haha, i just got that error myself.. |
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| 08:30.51 | liable | and another update doesnt fix it.. |
| 08:31.07 | SimonRaven | i'll paste up a little Xnest thing i have, sec |
| 08:32.22 | SimonRaven | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2048 |
| 08:32.23 | liable | hrm, now ftp.debian.org is 404!! |
| 08:32.24 | jetscreamer | how do you run it is the question.. ah |
| 08:33.01 | SimonRaven | that runs xfce4 as a client, with xnest as the host, with the xserver as the real host. neat shit :) |
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| 08:33.28 | jetscreamer | thankee |
| 08:33.35 | SimonRaven | np |
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| 08:34.13 | SimonRaven | i found it when i was looking for something to run the gimp at another res., so i just adapted it to run something else ;) |
| 08:34.24 | SimonRaven | it didn't work, but i saved it |
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| 08:35.17 | SimonRaven | (running the gimp at another res. i meant) |
| 08:35.46 | Sakl | What's wrong if the computer doesn't display anything when trying to install Debian? |
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| 08:36.22 | karsten | Sakl: Define "doesn't display anything". At what point in the install? |
| 08:36.28 | unstable | :/j 2 |
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| 08:37.01 | liable | is anyone else getting 404's from apt with ftp.debian.org? |
| 08:37.41 | Sakl | karsten - Well, it boots from the cd, shows some bugged graphic and says: "Press F1 for help, or ENTER to boot:" |
| 08:38.16 | liable | hit enter? |
| 08:38.25 | Sakl | After pressing ENTER it seems to load some files, two second later it only displays black. |
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| 08:38.36 | Sakl | +s |
| 08:38.51 | liable | etch d-i? |
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| 08:39.44 | jetscreamer | the installer doesn't use fb by default does it |
| 08:40.57 | liable | actually, i think it does. i actually was looking in the pxeboot.cfg earlier, and it had a vga value. |
| 08:41.00 | Sakl | If it was a question aimed for me liable, i don't understand it. |
| 08:41.21 | karsten | Sakl: Hit '<F2>' for boot options. I think the default kernel is 'linux', in which case "linux vga=ask" may work better. |
| 08:41.24 | liable | Sakl: where exactly did you download the installer from? |
| 08:41.32 | karsten | jetscreamer: I think it's fb. |
| 08:41.48 | Sakl | http://mirrors.telianet.dk/pub/mirrors/cdimage.debian.org/current/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r1a-i386-netinst.iso |
| 08:42.00 | jetscreamer | Sakl: if karsten is right, just add vga=normal to the boot line |
| 08:42.22 | Sakl | Ok |
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| 08:42.40 | liable | that is the line actually.. |
| 08:43.01 | liable | append vga=normal initrd=debian-insta |
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| 08:43.13 | karsten | jetscreamer: Thanks, I didn't know what normal was ;-) |
| 08:43.22 | Sakl | F2 just brings up a system requirement windows. |
| 08:43.26 | biopyte | hi. i got problems setting the path variable as user when starting X via xdm. declaring PATH in ~/.xinitrc or ~/.Xresources doesnt help. etch and xorg 6.9 here. any ideas? |
| 08:43.27 | Sakl | window* |
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| 08:43.34 | liable | F3 |
| 08:43.43 | MrNaz | is HostRAID real hardware raid or fakeraid ? |
| 08:43.55 | prizman | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:44.01 | prizman | ups |
| 08:44.06 | prizman | sorry |
| 08:44.07 | karsten | Sakl: F3. There's a "boot options" screen on there somewhere. |
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| 08:44.20 | zophyx | what is the way to change my debian system time from local time to GMT, and if i do this will my existing file time stamps create havoc ? |
| 08:44.24 | faked | today apt-get update brings the following message: W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 010908312D230C5F |
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| 08:44.28 | liable | MrNaz: http://linux-ata.org/faq-sata-raid.html |
| 08:44.33 | faked | ist there a new gpg-key? or what is the problem? |
| 08:44.35 | Sakl | Right karsten, brings up available boot methods. |
| 08:44.40 | karsten | zophyx: man hwclock |
| 08:44.44 | zophyx | ok |
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| 08:44.47 | karsten | faked: /topic |
| 08:44.59 | MrNaz | liable ive already looked there, its not listed |
| 08:45.12 | liable | karsten: no, this seems to be a neq bug |
| 08:45.19 | liable | new too. |
| 08:45.24 | karsten | liable: OK. |
| 08:45.27 | karsten | faked: NM. |
| 08:45.41 | faked | karsten: NM=? |
| 08:45.54 | liable | nevermind. |
| 08:45.55 | karsten | !nm |
| 08:45.55 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nm is New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen. A program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never\No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. at http://nm.debian.org/ |
| 08:46.05 | faked | karsten: ah ok, thank you :) |
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| 08:47.05 | liable | MrNaz: wtf is hostraid anyway? |
| 08:47.09 | Sakl | liable, when asking me to add vga=normal initrd=debian-insta to the bootline - where am I to do it? O |
| 08:47.19 | karsten | Sakl: at the boot prompt. |
| 08:47.34 | Samudio | hi |
| 08:47.35 | karsten | Sakl: Instead of hitting "enter", try "linux vga=normal" |
| 08:47.47 | liable | Sakl: no, dont do that, i was just pointing out that it is actually part of the boot option for the installer kernel. |
| 08:47.58 | Sakl | How come you asked me to hit F3 then? |
| 08:48.04 | kombinator | karsten: it's not the problem of missing key, we're getting a BADSIG error |
| 08:48.09 | Sakl | (Sorry for being troublesome) |
| 08:48.10 | karsten | kombinator: Got it. |
| 08:48.10 | liable | Sakl: sure, add vga=normal, but not the rest |
| 08:48.32 | karsten | Sakl: The install disk boot config has several informational screens tied to function keys. |
| 08:48.45 | karsten | Sakl: So: F2, F3, F4, etc. I forget specifically which they are. |
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| 08:49.13 | faked | karsten: I just updated the key, but same problem with sid-archives: BADSIG 010908312D230C5F |
| 08:49.21 | Sakl | Is it possible to change the keyboard layout? |
| 08:49.21 | liable | kombinator: what source are you using ?? |
| 08:49.28 | liable | kombinator: server. |
| 08:49.29 | kombinator | ftp.d.o |
| 08:49.38 | liable | same |
| 08:49.51 | karsten | faked: kombinator and liable know more about this than me ;-) |
| 08:50.12 | faked | karsten: ok |
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| 08:50.52 | faked | liable: server = ftp.debian.org The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 010908312D230C5F |
| 08:50.53 | mortisinc | Hello. Can anyone tell me how the linker decides whether to load the newest version of a library or some older version (for shared libs)? |
| 08:51.02 | Sakl | Is it possible to change the keyboard layout, finding "=" is quite difficult. |
| 08:52.27 | liable | faked: yeah.. |
| 08:52.34 | unstable | fglrx doesn't work... Here is my xorg.conf my uname -r my dpkg -al|grep -i xorg my dpkg -al|grep -i fglrx, and my Xorg.0.log ... What did I do wrong...why doesn't fglrx work? ... http://pastebin.com/596820 |
| 08:53.38 | liable | ok, ftp.d.o and ftp.us.d.o fail, ftp.au.d.o seems ok.. |
| 08:54.06 | kombinator | ftp.de.d.o /AMD64 is also ok |
| 08:54.11 | nadjyla | unstable, use module-assistant |
| 08:54.25 | unstable | nadjyla: wow that doesn't help me at all. |
| 08:54.34 | unstable | nadjyla: Did you even look at the link? |
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| 08:54.46 | nadjyla | yeah of course |
| 08:54.53 | liable | ftp.d.o also fails with 404 when you accept key borkage.. |
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| 08:55.04 | nadjyla | use module-assistant to build and load correctly fglrx , unstable |
| 08:55.04 | Sakl | Argh! Can't seem to find the "=" |
| 08:55.08 | gnufan | useruser: echo 682577 | md5sum - ;) |
| 08:56.00 | nadjyla | and it s rox , unstable |
| 08:56.22 | liable | ohnos, new udev.. |
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| 08:57.53 | BlueBeret | hi, I've got a PS/2 mouse with a wheel, but it can't be used for scrolling although I've set this up. any tips? |
| 08:58.18 | jetscreamer | BlueBeret: did you choose imps2 or ps2... you want imps2 |
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| 08:58.35 | BlueBeret | jetscreamer: certainly? then thanks |
| 08:58.36 | jetscreamer | not to be confused with a ps2 mouse |
| 08:58.38 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 08:58.48 | BlueBeret | does im stand for IntelliMouse? |
| 08:58.55 | liable | jetscreamer: just dont reboot, and it doesnt seem to give trouble :) |
| 08:58.57 | jetscreamer | no afaict |
| 08:59.07 | jetscreamer | it's for the wheel though |
| 08:59.19 | valdyn | dmesg |
| 08:59.30 | liable | intellimouse is for parallel iirc |
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| 09:00.39 | jetscreamer | http://ftp.x.org/pub/X11R7.0/doc/html/mouse.html |
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| 09:04.04 | hjubal | hi |
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| 09:04.51 | unstable | !greet hjubal |
| 09:04.51 | dpkg | Hi there, hjubal |
| 09:05.11 | hjubal | :) hi unstable , dpkg |
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| 09:06.23 | Sakl | could not find kernel image: vga=normal |
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| 09:06.55 | nadjyla | unstable, it was very serious for module-assistant |
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| 09:08.18 | twirl83 | whats the most widely used nntp server? |
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| 09:09.54 | loke | how come when i try to apt-get install discover it asks for a cdrom in etch? |
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| 09:11.51 | dondelelcaro | loke: have you added a cdrom with packages on it using apt-cdrom? |
| 09:11.59 | loke | no |
| 09:12.15 | dondelelcaro | loke: give us the apt-cache policy discover; output in #flood or using the paster bot |
| 09:12.23 | nadjyla | check /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 09:12.29 | weasel_00 | i get that once in a while form doing and intial install from the cd install disc |
| 09:13.21 | jetscreamer | Sakl: you need linux vga=normal ... sorry |
| 09:13.23 | dondelelcaro | if you don't want to use a cdrom, remove it from your sources.list... |
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| 09:14.06 | jetscreamer | if you type after the boot: prompt you have to tell it what kernel to use |
| 09:14.13 | dondelelcaro | loke: that can't be the full output. |
| 09:14.22 | loke | dondelelcaro it is. |
| 09:14.29 | loke | i did /exec -o |
| 09:14.34 | dondelelcaro | loke: then you don't have anything listed in your sources.list at all |
| 09:14.42 | loke | what |
| 09:14.46 | loke | let me check |
| 09:15.07 | loke | dondelelcaro not true. |
| 09:15.15 | dondelelcaro | or you haven't run apt-get update; since you've added something, cause you should see 500 http://debian.usc.edu unstable/main Packages; or similar. |
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| 09:15.22 | dondelelcaro | loke: are you actually running Debian? |
| 09:15.25 | loke | yes |
| 09:15.34 | loke | i just did a fresh base install of etch |
| 09:15.37 | dondelelcaro | loke: give us your complete sources.list then |
| 09:15.42 | dondelelcaro | !+info discover etch |
| 09:15.44 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 09:15.44 | loke | let me join #flood |
| 09:15.46 | dpkg | discover: (hardware identification system), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.0.7-2.1 (etch), Packaged size: 279 kB, Installed size: 700 kB |
| 09:15.55 | Slaughter | hi gents |
| 09:16.39 | loke | dondelelcaro should i remove the deb cdrom? |
| 09:16.49 | dondelelcaro | loke: ditch the first line (which is your cdrom) run apt-get update; then rerun apt-cache policy discover; |
| 09:16.55 | loke | k |
| 09:17.09 | karsten | Sakl: Nope. US. |
| 09:17.32 | loke | dondelelcaro ok cool |
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| 09:17.47 | loke | what is this whole thing about apt-get asking for authentication? |
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| 09:17.56 | dondelelcaro | loke: see /topic |
| 09:17.59 | loke | im sorry but i havent used debian for a while |
| 09:18.03 | loke | dondelelcaro will do. |
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| 09:19.26 | loke | im back |
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| 09:19.36 | loke | sorry dpkg i was alway for so long. |
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| 09:19.51 | loke | !beer #debian |
| 09:20.01 | loke | ahhhh yuengling |
| 09:20.48 | loke | what x windows u guys using now a days? |
| 09:20.53 | loke | still flux or openbox? |
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| 09:22.04 | valdyn | !u |
| 09:22.05 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 09:22.08 | valdyn | !xwindows |
| 09:22.08 | dpkg | it has been said that xwindows is NOT the name of it. It's simply called X, X11, The X Window System, X11R6, etc. Do a "man X" for more. < Zxcvb> X + KDE/Gnome + Codeweavers Wine == X-windows, or ask me about x windows trap |
| 09:22.21 | dondelelcaro | I've pretty much switched to ion3... but I still run openbox in some places... |
| 09:22.36 | loke | !beer valdyn |
| 09:22.42 | loke | valdyn sorry |
| 09:23.03 | loke | ion3 heh |
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| 09:23.10 | Acidz0r | dondelelcaro, ino3? |
| 09:23.22 | Acidz0r | ino3* |
| 09:23.58 | Acidz0r | damn keyboard |
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| 09:24.51 | dondelelcaro | !ion3 |
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| 09:25.56 | loke | what is the process to get a application into apt-get repositories? |
| 09:26.09 | loke | i think yersinia should be put into the repositories |
| 09:26.24 | dondelelcaro | loke: file an RFP or package it yourself, and get a sponsor. |
| 09:27.07 | loke | will do |
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| 09:28.16 | MrNaz | . |
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| 09:29.06 | dondelelcaro | MrNaz: from what I've seen, hostraid is fakeraid. |
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| 09:31.26 | gnufan | If I stick vim into hex-edit and set display uhex -- how do I replace a "<08>" with a "<18>" ? |
| 09:31.46 | gnufan | Or other simple hex editor will do ! |
| 09:32.41 | Sakl | It's weird |
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| 09:33.13 | fairway | hi all |
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| 09:33.42 | Sakl | Loads some files, black screen, nothing happens. There's a gray line in the bottom of the screen though - not sure if it was there before. |
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| 09:34.22 | Sakl | The cddrive makes noises, speeds up, and when the black screen comes up |
| 09:34.34 | Sakl | it's speeding down/the noises stop |
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| 09:37.34 | jetscreamer | !info hexedit |
| 09:37.38 | dpkg | hexedit: (view and edit files in hexadecimal or in ASCII), section editors, is optional. Version: 1.2.12-1 (sid), Packaged size: 25 kB, Installed size: 104 kB |
| 09:38.36 | jetscreamer | Sakl: did you try verifying the md5sum thing, make sure it's a good burn/downloaded image |
| 09:38.53 | Sakl | No, will do. |
| 09:39.32 | loke | what is the name of the app that controls sound? amix? |
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| 09:39.43 | cshaman | Is there a program similar to xwmconfig in Debian? I am trying to switch my window manager from the normal gnome to fluxbox |
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| 09:41.34 | liable | loke: aumix, alsamixer, and the kde, gnome versions. |
| 09:41.36 | jetscreamer | when you log in with gdm you can set that, cshaman |
| 09:41.43 | jetscreamer | kmix and gmix |
| 09:42.01 | loke | ahh |
| 09:42.11 | loke | aumix, damn ive been away from debian too long |
| 09:42.21 | jetscreamer | i 'believe' the wm is controlled by ~/.dmrc but i'm not sure |
| 09:42.24 | loke | liable thank you |
| 09:42.30 | liable | loke: yw |
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| 09:42.44 | Thanatermesis | the GPG of debian etch repositories has changed again ? |
| 09:43.24 | liable | Thanatermesis: try a different server, ftp.d.o and ftp.us.d.o seem to be borked |
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| 09:43.33 | liable | dondelelcaro: you awake? |
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| 09:44.21 | adii | hello |
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| 09:44.51 | Thanatermesis | borked ? :/ |
| 09:45.01 | adii | big prob here : i've just re-installed etch and i can't get access to my keys "alt" "shift" and "ctrl" : i'm in france so using french key mapping |
| 09:45.12 | jetscreamer | Get:5 ftp://ftp.debian.org sid/main Packages [3031kB] |
| 09:45.15 | liable | Thanatermesis: borked==not working |
| 09:45.53 | jetscreamer | !info selinux-basics |
| 09:45.54 | liable | jetscreamer: and no errors? you can upgrade from it? |
| 09:45.59 | dpkg | selinux-basics: (SELinux basic support), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.2.4 (sid), Packaged size: 5 kB, Installed size: 84 kB |
| 09:46.04 | jetscreamer | checking |
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| 09:46.18 | jetscreamer | there was a gpg error but it flashed by.. |
| 09:46.41 | Thanatermesis | hum |
| 09:46.42 | liable | i get 404's when i accept gpg errors |
| 09:47.06 | loke | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; |
| 09:47.14 | jetscreamer | seems to be working |
| 09:47.18 | qinliang | please tell how to solve the kernel panic 432 of upgrading from 2.4.27 to 2.6.8 on my dell laptop? thanks |
| 09:47.21 | liable | Thanatermesis: eg, ftp.au.d.o works for me, although it may be that the mirror isnt synced yet.. |
| 09:47.26 | jetscreamer | the key error did show, but it's d/l'ing atm |
| 09:47.37 | Thanatermesis | let me check... |
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| 09:47.53 | jetscreamer | Get:10 ftp://ftp.debian.org sid/main libstdc++6-4.0-dev 4.0.3-1 [1493kB] |
| 09:48.00 | liable | hrm |
| 09:48.15 | loke | gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F this gives me giberish |
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| 09:49.53 | jetscreamer | Setting up libgcc1 (4.0.3-1) ... |
| 09:49.57 | jetscreamer | seems to work |
| 09:50.05 | liable | strange.. |
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| 09:51.22 | Thanatermesis | its the caos between the mirrors ? |
| 09:51.40 | liable | W: GPG error: http://ftp.debian.org unstable Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 010908312D230C5F Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2006) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 09:51.54 | liable | works with .au.. |
| 09:51.58 | Thanatermesis | aha, same to me |
| 09:52.18 | jetscreamer | all done, just the key error |
| 09:52.19 | liable | jetscreamer: after upgrade, try again. |
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| 09:52.55 | jetscreamer | Err ftp://ftp.debian.org sid Release |
| 09:53.10 | liable | ok, no 404's now.. |
| 09:53.16 | jetscreamer | Hit ftp://ftp.debian.org sid/main Packages |
| 09:53.18 | adii | plz help : i can't use my shift , alt , ctrl keys . caps lock works weirdly |
| 09:53.31 | adii | using a very fresh install of etch |
| 09:53.47 | liable | must be something borked. |
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| 09:54.14 | quitte_ | adii: are you sure the keyboard is ok? |
| 09:54.38 | adii | it worked before i format. and works under windows (same computer, another partition) |
| 09:54.40 | jetscreamer | sounds like somebody chose the wrong keymap |
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| 09:54.52 | liable | Err http://ftp.debian.org unstable/main manpages 2.20-1 404 Not Found |
| 09:55.05 | liable | now its ok. |
| 09:55.06 | adii | think it is that too, but i have no idea what's the good one |
| 09:55.12 | quitte_ | i didn'T know there were keymaps that remap shift ctrl and alt. well you never finish learning |
| 09:55.38 | jetscreamer | i 'think' it's choking on Get:1 ftp://ftp.debian.org sid Release.gpg [189B] |
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| 09:56.11 | jetscreamer | quitte_: i don't know i just said 'sounds' |
| 09:56.22 | loke | didnt there used to be an apt-setup? |
| 09:56.25 | Thanatermesis | its any thing related with this ? (spanish) lol http://www.vivalinux.com.ar/distros/renuncia-release-manager-debian.html |
| 09:56.33 | jetscreamer | loke: yes but it seems to have been removed |
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| 09:56.46 | jetscreamer | somebody was asking about that the other day |
| 09:56.54 | liable | loke: its in base-config, which has had conflicts with another package lately |
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| 09:57.04 | adii | quitte : actually it goes further than just that. on french keyboards there's a dot key that can be activated by pushing shift + ; keys. my shift key doesn't work so i use dot key from numberpad (at right). but i can't access it using caps lock tho caps lock works to upcase letters |
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| 09:57.21 | yos87 | hi |
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| 09:57.40 | quitte_ | adii: that'S normal. caps works only on letters |
| 09:57.58 | yos87 | Where is the dns hosts record saved? |
| 09:58.03 | adii | oh ok |
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| 09:58.13 | liable | yos87: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 09:58.23 | afrosatan | hi |
| 09:58.31 | quitte_ | adii this is happening in the console, not in x? |
| 09:58.40 | liable | Sonny: you still trying to install madwifi? |
| 09:58.45 | adii | quitte_, in both of them |
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| 09:59.33 | quitte_ | adii when you push those keys or combinations of them in the console- do you get unknown keycode messages? |
| 09:59.53 | afrosatan | i'd like to install debian on a vaio laptop and it don't recongnice mi hard disk ATA, does anybody knows if there are special parameters i could put while the installation process is booting? |
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| 10:00.05 | liable | !laptop |
| 10:00.05 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org , and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 10:00.07 | xstation | hello |
| 10:00.08 | adii | when i try to access to "shifted" characters such as "dot" (for french keyboard) , i just get the not shifted one |
| 10:00.14 | Eulex | ufoalien, hi :) check this out: http://www.fam-lindeman.nl/content/view/12/34/ |
| 10:00.43 | afrosatan | i've searched but i haven't found anything :( |
| 10:01.04 | liable | afrosatan: you have checked both of those sites? |
| 10:01.10 | xstation | Am I missing somethin just installed openssl from source did updatedb but at prompt openssl cannot be found |
| 10:01.13 | quitte_ | adii just big letters don't work,too?? this is really,really weird. i'd try replugging the keyboard. but if that doesn't help ask #debian-fr |
| 10:01.13 | ufoalien | Eulex: heureka! |
| 10:01.17 | ufoalien | Eulex: thank you :) |
| 10:01.18 | xstation | something |
| 10:01.33 | afrosatan | thanks, i'll search |
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| 10:02.08 | afrosatan | but i want to know if it's a way to say the installer where is my hard disk |
| 10:02.19 | adii | quitte : i can access big letters with caps lock. i can't go to console with ctrl + alt +f1 . keyboard configuration panel tells me there's a "bug" somewhere too ... i'll ask in debian-fr |
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| 10:02.52 | Eulex | ufoalien, yw :) |
| 10:02.54 | xstation | dpkg: Hello, any ideas on openssl question? |
| 10:02.56 | weedar | when running ifup eth0 I get the following errro: Don't seem to be have all the variables for eth0/inet. |
| 10:03.00 | liable | afrosatan: we arent a laptop specific channel, check for your type on those sites, and see if there are pointers to follow. |
| 10:03.28 | weedar | Anyone with a great suggestion as to what could be wrong? |
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| 10:03.32 | liable | xstation: dpkg is a bot. |
| 10:03.42 | weasel_00 | owner is 501? wonder who that would be... |
| 10:03.52 | quitte_ | weede /etc/network/interfaces. man interfaces |
| 10:04.00 | quitte_ | weedar: ^ |
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| 10:04.03 | xstation | liable: you said that before whats a bot |
| 10:04.12 | weedar | quitte_, the entry in /etc/network/interfaces is correct and I have read the manpage for interfaces |
| 10:04.14 | yos87 | liable: I don't have resolv.conf . I have resolvconf/ |
| 10:04.22 | liable | xstation: dpkg is an info bot |
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| 10:04.30 | liable | dpkg: what are you |
| 10:04.30 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 10:04.37 | quitte_ | weedar: uhm no,it's not. show me in #flood |
| 10:04.56 | yos87 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:04.58 | xstation | liable: ok any ideas on my openssl question please? |
| 10:05.00 | liable | yos87: really?? this is debian?? |
| 10:05.04 | weedar | there quitte_ =) |
| 10:05.15 | liable | xstation: no, look in /local |
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| 10:06.11 | weedar | well that was certainly embarassing, thanks again quitte |
| 10:06.46 | dooglus | if I delete a config file, how can I get it back from the package? |
| 10:06.49 | brosioz | how can i known which is the name of my serial port ? |
| 10:06.52 | loke | if i get an error like this "checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables" when i am running ./configure what could the problem be? |
| 10:06.57 | brosioz | on dev i have from 1 to 30 device |
| 10:06.59 | dooglus | reinstalling the package doesn't seem to reinstall the config file |
| 10:07.12 | dooglus | loke: you need to install "build-essential" |
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| 10:07.25 | Eulex | dooglus, /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 10:07.34 | loke | dooglus ok |
| 10:07.38 | dooglus | thanks Eulex |
| 10:07.44 | Eulex | dooglus, yw :) |
| 10:07.52 | xstation | liable yep its in usr/local |
| 10:08.01 | yos87 | thank u |
| 10:08.07 | Eulex | !u |
| 10:08.07 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 10:08.32 | loke | dooglus thank you |
| 10:08.36 | DingBack | Does anyone know how to set multiple host keys for the same IP? |
| 10:08.43 | DingBack | with ssh :D |
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| 10:09.15 | liable | DingBack: what do you mean? |
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| 10:10.09 | DingBack | liable: Well, when you first connect to a new host it stores the host key in ~/.ssh, but if you forward a port on that host to a diffrent local host and connect it'll complain about the key having changed, so multiple keys should fix that :P |
| 10:10.34 | liable | DingBack: disable strict checking as it says. |
| 10:11.06 | xstation | liable: if its in usr/local why does openssl show at prompt |
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| 10:11.26 | xstation | iable:not show |
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| 10:11.31 | DingBack | liable: Yea, but I still want it to check the keys, I just want multiple keys for the same host. |
| 10:12.07 | _joey | is anyone posting to binary news groups ? |
| 10:12.31 | Eulex | !poll |
| 10:12.31 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 10:12.36 | liable | xstation: it should, /usr/local should be in your path.. /usr/local/op<tab> |
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| 10:13.27 | kijjaz | what's an easy way to check harddisk's free space on debian? i'm on some small window managers (flux box, etc).. |
| 10:13.43 | DingBack | hum |
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| 10:13.48 | DingBack | !linux101 |
| 10:13.49 | DingBack | :P |
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| 10:14.01 | xstation | liable : thanks |
| 10:14.10 | liable | kijjaz: df |
| 10:14.22 | kijjaz | liable: hey thanks! |
| 10:14.33 | cahoot | kijjaz: will at least tell what's used on mounted partitions |
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| 10:15.10 | weedar | Am I the only one that adds a -h to make df readable? |
| 10:15.13 | kijjaz | liable & cahoot: oh wow yeah! .. nice, now i can see the picture, thanks. |
| 10:15.45 | kijjaz | weedar: wow oh yes and -h is eyecandy ^^ |
| 10:15.59 | kRiMe | does anyone know if damn small linux is based on debian? |
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| 10:16.19 | DingBack | kRiMe: it's based on knoppix and knoppix is based on debian :D |
| 10:16.23 | quitte | kRiMe: if it was we wouldn't support it |
| 10:16.36 | liable | kijjaz: it is. indirectly. |
| 10:16.48 | kRiMe | i didnt know it was suppoerted here thank |
| 10:16.55 | kRiMe | you |
| 10:17.00 | liable | its not supported here. |
| 10:17.09 | DingBack | hehe |
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| 10:17.41 | liable | its based on debian, but not supported in #debian.. |
| 10:17.53 | weedar | Yes, this channel is only fyr Debian. And Ubuntu.. *hides* |
| 10:18.01 | kRiMe | ok |
| 10:18.07 | liable | !lart weedar |
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| 10:18.22 | ice_1963 | well that's good |
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| 10:18.52 | kijjaz | hmm.. damn small linux.. hmm and how do most damn-small-linux user use it for? are they aiming at small server/network services? |
| 10:18.52 | ice_1963 | :) |
| 10:19.09 | liable | kijjaz: ask in #dsl |
| 10:19.19 | DingBack | kijjaz: usb keys I guess :P |
| 10:19.29 | weasel_00 | thats a bit kinky even for dpkg isnt it? |
| 10:19.31 | kijjaz | DingBack: ho nice ^^" |
| 10:19.56 | brosioz_ | how can i known which is the number of serial port that is connected to my router ? |
| 10:20.00 | DingBack | kijjaz: yea, DSL is very impressive, it's got alot of functionally for that size :P |
| 10:20.20 | ice_1963 | whats better then k3b and gnomebaker? |
| 10:20.49 | weedar | sliced bread |
| 10:20.56 | weasel_00 | cookies? |
| 10:20.56 | DingBack | brosioz_: That's a very unspecific question, and you can't know serial ports are stupid, unless their sending info ;p |
| 10:20.58 | ice_1963 | ok |
| 10:21.21 | weedar | Actually k3b is the best cd-recording program I've used in a long time. No issues |
| 10:21.24 | brosioz_ | i have connect a serial port to my pc |
| 10:21.35 | brosioz_ | but i can't run minicom |
| 10:21.49 | brosioz_ | if i don't kwnow which port is |
| 10:22.02 | DingBack | brosioz_: well, dmseg | grep ttyS |
| 10:22.28 | ice_1963 | how about cdw |
| 10:22.30 | brosioz_ | nothing |
| 10:22.39 | DingBack | brosioz_: sry, dmesg :P |
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| 10:23.14 | xstation | liable: the directory is called ssl in /usr/local/ssl if at prompt I then isue command ssl or openssl in both cases command not found |
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| 10:24.52 | quitte | xstation: are you maybe confusing ssl and ssh and want ssh instead? |
| 10:25.00 | liable | god i hate wine, it always borks with a simple program because of a printer. |
| 10:25.25 | liable | xstation: what about /usr/local/ssl? |
| 10:25.37 | xstation | quitte: no its ssl |
| 10:25.38 | liable | its a directory? |
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| 10:26.19 | xstation | liable : what about ssl? what was the question about ssl |
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| 10:26.34 | Storkme | so if i put an executable script in /etc/cron.hourly then that script is executed every hour? |
| 10:26.43 | liable | xstation: i meant, supply the full path. |
| 10:26.52 | quitte | but isn'T ssl a library? i never heard there was such a command. |
| 10:27.06 | alex116 | when installing cups, using a printer on another computer, which package do I need? client or server? |
| 10:27.26 | EruditeHermit | kombinator: any luck? |
| 10:27.30 | weasel_00 | quitte : here is the output of my "#whereis ssl" ssl: /etc/ssl /usr/lib/ssl |
| 10:27.31 | liable | alex116: cupsys |
| 10:27.42 | cahoot | alex116: http://www.linuxprinting.org/till/printing-tutorial/tut.html#1_3_1 |
| 10:27.45 | dooglus | Storkme: only if the script's name consists entirely of upper and lower case letters, digits, underscores, and hyphens. |
| 10:27.50 | kombinator | EruditeHermit: I gave up, it seems the mirror is b0rked |
| 10:28.02 | alex116 | thx |
| 10:28.16 | Storkme | dooglus, whoops, mine had a dot in it |
| 10:28.36 | liable | kombinator: i just changed back to ftp.d.o and am getting key errors still, but no 404's |
| 10:28.44 | dooglus | Storkme: it won't run if it's got a dot in it. see "man run-parts" |
| 10:28.48 | kombinator | EruditeHermit: I works now for me! |
| 10:28.49 | Storkme | whoops |
| 10:28.51 | quitte | xstation: ok now i'm pretty sure about it. ssl and openssl are no commands |
| 10:28.53 | Storkme | okay i removed the dot |
| 10:28.54 | liable | so yeah, i think its borkage |
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| 10:29.08 | kombinator | liable, EruditeHermit try to update |
| 10:29.12 | BlueFish | Hello everyone! |
| 10:29.29 | BlueFish | I installed Debain Sarge with KDE yesterday. |
| 10:29.30 | dooglus | Storkme: if you run "run-parts --test /etc/cron.hourly", it will tell you which scripts it will run each hour |
| 10:29.34 | liable | kombinator: still key error |
| 10:29.37 | weasel_00 | quitte : openssl is is a command... ie rsa key generate |
| 10:29.48 | Storkme | ooh, leet, thanks dooglus |
| 10:29.54 | kombinator | liable, EruditeHermit: sorry, false alarm, I checked on the wrong host:( |
| 10:29.55 | EruditeHermit | kombinator: still the same problem here |
| 10:30.04 | dooglus | quitte: openssl is /usr/bin/openssl |
| 10:30.07 | BlueFish | But I'm having a little bit of trouble |
| 10:30.09 | dooglus | quitte: that's a command |
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| 10:30.33 | quitte | dooglus: ah ok. |
| 10:30.34 | liable | BlueFish: supply the errors, spare us the story :) |
| 10:30.51 | BlueFish | for some reason, when I shutdown, it gets to a flashing _ |
| 10:30.53 | xstation | liable: sorry how to supply full path |
| 10:30.56 | BlueFish | and then stops |
| 10:30.57 | dooglus | BlueFish: what were you wearing when you installed it? |
| 10:31.05 | BlueFish | shut up |
| 10:31.06 | BlueFish | lol |
| 10:31.07 | EruditeHermit | kombinator: both of my boxes have that error |
| 10:31.10 | liable | xstation: erm, /usr/local/foo |
| 10:31.30 | BlueFish | So why won't it turn off? |
| 10:31.32 | kombinator | EruditeHermit: My second box uses differen mirror and is AMD64 |
| 10:31.42 | liable | BlueFish: install acpid and try again |
| 10:31.45 | quitte | BlueFish: install apmd or acpid |
| 10:31.48 | EruditeHermit | kombinator: its probably a mirror problem then |
| 10:31.55 | brosioz | i get |
| 10:31.55 | BlueFish | Okay thanks |
| 10:31.58 | brosioz | [4294670.033000] serial8250: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A |
| 10:31.58 | brosioz | [4294670.033000] serial8250: ttyS1 at I/O 0x2f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A |
| 10:31.58 | brosioz | [4294670.034000] 00:07: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A |
| 10:32.07 | brosioz | so at ttyS0 |
| 10:32.11 | brosioz | is attached a device ? |
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| 10:32.50 | quitte | brosioz: serial isn't plug and play. you cannot know if there is a device before you try using it |
| 10:33.02 | loke | aumix: error opening mixer, what do i need to install? |
| 10:33.06 | brosioz | quitte: exist a ping or anythig else |
| 10:33.16 | Storkme | dooglus, i have a problem - in my cron.hourly file i need to send some files to another computer using rsync. how can i do that? it asks for a password at run :| |
| 10:33.18 | brosioz | to see if is a device connected on it ? |
| 10:33.39 | brosioz | quitte: i have self made a serial port to my router and i don't known if work |
| 10:33.59 | dooglus | Storkme: I guess you need to stop it asking for a password. Can rsync work with public keys instead of passwords? |
| 10:34.11 | quitte | brosioz: minicom |
| 10:34.14 | Storkme | dooglus, i have no idea. i'll google |
| 10:34.24 | brosioz | quitte: i'm using it! |
| 10:34.42 | dooglus | Storkme: I guess rsync can use an ssh connection, and ssh connections can be password-less, using keys in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 10:35.12 | liable | loke: alsa-base? |
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| 10:35.17 | brosioz | quitte: but i don't known which port can i use |
| 10:35.20 | brosioz | ttyS0 |
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| 10:35.23 | brosioz | or ttyS1 |
| 10:35.26 | liable | good riddance |
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| 10:35.39 | quitte | brosioz: i usually use a serial mouse and gpm to find out if the port im trying to use is the correct one and if it works |
| 10:35.51 | nafed_ | guys im triyng to compile something which is looking for X and XOpenDesktop |
| 10:36.07 | quitte | nafed_: xlibs-dev |
| 10:36.08 | nafed_ | are they seperate packages from xserver or..? |
| 10:36.11 | nafed_ | ah |
| 10:36.11 | nafed_ | thanks |
| 10:36.40 | loke | liable still same error |
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| 10:38.33 | liable | loke: supply the full error to a paster |
| 10:38.46 | loke | i already did |
| 10:38.48 | loke | aumix: error opening mixer |
| 10:39.14 | quitte | loke try modprobe snd-mixer-oss |
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| 10:39.46 | quitte | loke or alsamix |
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| 10:40.26 | loke | quitte it was the module |
| 10:40.29 | loke | that fixed it. |
| 10:40.33 | loke | thank you quitte |
| 10:40.58 | quitte | no problem. |
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| 10:42.56 | goron | I can't start my Xserver, because some reference count in not correct. |
| 10:43.10 | goron | er is |
| 10:43.43 | quitte | can you be more specific? |
| 10:43.49 | goron | I think there is some file somewhere holding these values. If I could remove that file, then it would be solved. |
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| 10:44.02 | goron | quitte: I will start an xserver again, and type it over. |
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| 10:45.55 | goron | I can start the most simple window manager though (Failsafe). |
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| 10:46.22 | quitte | goron: ah. so your problem is the display manager rather than the xserver |
| 10:46.32 | goron | quitte: yes |
| 10:46.33 | quitte | goron which dm are you trying to use? |
| 10:46.43 | goron | quitte: I tried Gnome and KDE |
| 10:46.51 | goron | quitte: And TWM |
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| 10:47.20 | goron | quitte: when I do failsafe, and then run startkde from the graphical terminal, it works. |
| 10:47.42 | goron | quitte: But starting startkde directly from .xinitrc does not work. |
| 10:47.52 | goron | quitte: I am a bit puzzled. |
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| 10:48.59 | goron | "Waiting for X server to shut down. FreeFontPatg, FPE "/usr/<something>/misc:unscaled" refcount is 2, should be 1 fixing. |
| 10:49.10 | goron | quitte: that's the error message I get. |
| 10:49.54 | quitte | i don't think that's the actual problem. you're not using a graphical login? |
| 10:50.35 | quitte | goron: startx should start the default window manager or display manager without you having to change your xinitrc |
| 10:50.52 | liable | wheres the failsafe come from then? |
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| 10:50.55 | quitte | err desktop manager |
| 10:51.06 | goron | liable: that's from the KDM menu. |
| 10:51.13 | liable | yep |
| 10:51.13 | quitte | liable: so you are using a graphical login? |
| 10:51.19 | goron | quitte: I did. |
| 10:51.26 | goron | quitte: but I switched to CLI. |
| 10:51.29 | liable | quitte: yes :) |
| 10:51.42 | goron | quitte: and changing .xinitrc. |
| 10:51.55 | goron | quitte: but I get the same behaviour. |
| 10:52.00 | quitte | liable: ah great and it works and there never was a problem? hooray problem solved |
| 10:52.09 | EvilGuru | can someone explain this exim-4 config stuff to me |
| 10:52.11 | goron | quitte: no, it does not work. |
| 10:52.18 | liable | quitte: err. you have me confused.. |
| 10:52.27 | liable | with someone else.. |
| 10:52.34 | quitte | really? ;) |
| 10:52.54 | EvilGuru | I have just installed debian and it is asking me about exim-4 and if I did not know better I would say that it is trying to so some mail-server related stuff |
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| 10:53.13 | goron | quitte: so I can start the Failsafe session from KDM, and besides that nothing. |
| 10:53.42 | liable | quitte: heh |
| 10:53.48 | Zugschlus | EvilGuru: well, if you're a guru and really that evil you can use google yourself |
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| 10:54.12 | quitte | goron: sorry. i have no idea what might be causing it and i'm pretty sure that refcount thing is not it. |
| 10:54.51 | goron | quitte: I also tried as root, but I got the same result. Well, I think I will try some other things. Maybe I will even reboot, not that I think that it will help. |
| 10:55.08 | liable | EvilGuru: huh? thats what exim does, its a mail thingy. |
| 10:55.49 | liable | EvilGuru: and yes, you do need an mta |
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| 10:55.55 | streuner | EvilGuru: just ignore for now the questions about exim and go ahead |
| 10:56.00 | quitte | goron: good luck |
| 10:56.06 | goron | quitte: I think I understand the problem. X can't find some dir compiler/server-0.xkm |
| 10:56.32 | liable | EvilGuru: set it for local stuff only. |
| 10:56.33 | manu | my .name domain shows expired whem it s not |
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| 10:56.47 | goron | quitte: If I would know where that file exactly is, then it would prob. be fixed. |
| 10:56.50 | manu | my .name domain shows expired when it s not |
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| 10:57.33 | liable | and that has to do what with debian? |
| 10:57.39 | quitte | goron: somewhere in your home or tmp propably |
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| 10:57.58 | weedar | I'm following a howto to set up my debian box to act as a gateway, but the howto is intended for a redhat audience. Anyway, is it just me or does redhat put every configuration file in a different place than debian? |
| 10:58.12 | liable | weedar: yes, it does. |
| 10:58.16 | goron | quitte: I think it's in the X dir somewhere. |
| 10:58.31 | goron | Hmm, my locate database is out of date :) |
| 10:58.36 | goron | I can find it myself. |
| 10:58.41 | streuner | weedar: an easy way is to install ipmasq |
| 10:58.46 | streuner | !info ipmasq |
| 10:58.49 | dpkg | ipmasq: (securely initializes IP Masquerade forwarding/firewalling), section net, is extra. Version: 4.0.7 (sid), Packaged size: 74 kB, Installed size: 596 kB |
| 10:58.53 | liable | weedar: check out shorewall for an easy way to do it, or firestarter, or ipmasq, or iptables, or .. |
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| 10:59.38 | weedar | You guys can correct me if this is wrong, but I've been following the guid at: http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialIptablesNetworkGateway.html |
| 10:59.46 | weedar | If this works it doesn't seem to be all that difficult :) |
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| 10:59.56 | quitte | goron: the 0 in the filename indicates that it is created specifically for the xserver you want to use. dynamic file creation per user is not allowed anywhere but in /tmp or $HOME |
| 11:00.04 | streuner | weedar: well, there are many way :-) |
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| 11:00.19 | zaka | hello, i v installed debian sterday, but i m having only the 640x460 in the desktope, can i change it to 1440? plz |
| 11:00.21 | streuner | s/way/ways/ |
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| 11:00.32 | liable | !drxx zaka |
| 11:00.32 | dpkg | zaka: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 11:00.50 | quitte | hmm for a gateway? echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward and you're done,no? |
| 11:00.52 | streuner | zaka: as long as the driver for you videocard supported use what liable told you |
| 11:00.58 | zaka | thanx:) i ll try |
| 11:01.23 | streuner | quitte: no |
| 11:01.53 | streuner | quitte: you have to say to clients use gateway at IP |
| 11:01.53 | quitte | streuner: of course you need your interfaces setup |
| 11:02.14 | quitte | streuner: that'S nothing you can do on the gateway machine |
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| 11:02.37 | weedar | If that was all needed why bother with iptables and the like? (unless you need rules) |
| 11:03.15 | streuner | weedar: it still need to masquerade the stuff... |
| 11:03.16 | loke | i have no sound, how do i get the sound working? |
| 11:03.23 | loke | ive tried aumix |
| 11:03.33 | streuner | loke: cat /proc/version |
| 11:03.43 | weedar | Ok, but I thought quitte said it wasn't needed |
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| 11:03.56 | loke | Linux version 2.6.15-1-486 (Debian 2.6.15-8) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.0.3 20060212 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.2-9)) #2 Mon Mar 6 15:19:16 UTC 2006 |
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| 11:04.06 | quitte | weedar: depends. you didn't say you wanted it to be a gateway to the internet |
| 11:04.10 | liable | loke: what modules are loaded? did you try alsaconf? |
| 11:04.19 | weedar | quitte, indeed I didn't. sorry about that =) |
| 11:04.21 | streuner | loke: so a kernel from backports, right? |
| 11:04.42 | loke | streuner this is a brand new etch netinstall |
| 11:04.54 | streuner | interesting :-) |
| 11:05.00 | loke | yep |
| 11:05.09 | loke | i like it so far |
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| 11:06.43 | loke | liable what is alsaconf? |
| 11:07.30 | liable | loke: run it. |
| 11:07.35 | loke | how? |
| 11:07.49 | loke | freebird2:/home/loke/help# alsaconf |
| 11:07.49 | loke | dbasher: alsaconf: command not found |
| 11:07.52 | streuner | apt-get install alsa-utils |
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| 11:09.54 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:10.13 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:10.38 | loke | liable thank you |
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| 11:14.12 | loke | what do i need to play the stream from the link at the bottom? |
| 11:14.17 | loke | http://fm949sd.com/listen/index.cfm |
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| 11:16.35 | weedar | I installed ipmasq via apt-get, but I'm unable to ping the outside world. Any takers? :) |
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| 11:16.51 | loke | unable to ping? |
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| 11:17.09 | loke | do you have an ip address? |
| 11:17.38 | weedar | yes |
| 11:17.46 | loke | can you ping your gateway? |
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| 11:18.04 | weasel_00 | loke : http://filext.com/alphalist.php?extstart=%5EC ... you need the actual link for the stream itself thats a webpage ;) |
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| 11:18.31 | weedar | I'm setting up my debian machine as gateway, I'm able to ping it from this computer, and the debian machine is able to ping the Internet |
| 11:18.52 | weedar | Both machines use eth0 to connect to each other and the debian machine uses wlan0 to connect to the internet |
| 11:19.08 | weedar | wlan0 set up via dhcp and eth0 (on both boxes) set using static IP adresses |
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| 11:19.24 | weasel_00 | weedar : did you set up the gateway box to allow access from eth0 to wan0 for internal addresses? |
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| 11:19.50 | loke | weedar are you running nat? |
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| 11:20.02 | robm | printing from KDE with CUPS works fine, but lp and lpr return: lp |
| 11:20.03 | weedar | weasel, you mean with "route add"? no.. |
| 11:20.08 | loke | weasel_00 i dont understand http://filext.com/alphalist.php?extstart=%5EC |
| 11:20.17 | robm | lp: error - scheduler not responding |
| 11:20.34 | weedar | loke, ipmasq has been installed yes - but I haven't set up any rules |
| 11:20.48 | robm | any hint how can print from command-line |
| 11:21.11 | weasel_00 | weedar : need to make a rule for your lan to reach the wan |
| 11:22.14 | weedar | weasel_00, where do I set that? |
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| 11:25.19 | liable | weedar: install ipmasq, and it should work. |
| 11:25.25 | weedar | liable, I did |
| 11:25.31 | weedar | and it doesn't :) |
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| 11:25.59 | weasel_00 | loke : i hate cold fusion... |
| 11:26.17 | liable | weedar: have you set a route for the local an? |
| 11:26.20 | loke | weasel_00 is that what the site fm949sd.com is using? |
| 11:26.35 | weedar | liable, I'm not sure I understand what you mean? |
| 11:26.36 | weasel_00 | loke : um..ya... cfm is a cold fusion extension |
| 11:26.46 | liable | robm: lpr, either with lpr, or you need cupsys-bsd for cups |
| 11:27.06 | loke | weasel_00 well, how can i listen??? |
| 11:27.12 | liable | weedar: paste output from ifconfig iwconfig and route to paster |
| 11:27.30 | robm | liable: thx, will check for cupsys-bsd |
| 11:27.54 | Pihhan | hi, i have problem with sarge's squirrelmail, i cant change theme to any offered, i does not save it |
| 11:27.54 | liable | robm: once installed, lpr /foo |
| 11:28.05 | weasel_00 | loke : have to dig through there support files to find the actual stream link... possibly monitor you network traffic when connecting to the popup.. cant help ya beyond that. =\ |
| 11:28.25 | loke | weasel_00 i will try that |
| 11:28.30 | liable | robm: you may need to supply printer.. man cups or lpr |
| 11:28.53 | Storkme | is it possible to put more then one key in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys ? |
| 11:28.53 | loke | weasel_00 or wget the javascript file |
| 11:29.08 | liable | Storkme: yes |
| 11:29.09 | Pihhan | Storkme: as many as you wish |
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| 11:29.24 | liable | Storkme: find a ssh tutorial |
| 11:29.28 | robm | liable: dpkg -l | grep cupsys-bsd -> gives ii for cupsys |
| 11:29.45 | liable | robm: you want cupsys-bsd.. |
| 11:30.09 | robm | liable: sorry it is cupsys-bsd |
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| 11:30.38 | weedar | liable, http://channels.debian.net/paste/2049 |
| 11:30.39 | liable | robm: lpr /etc/fstab .. if the printer is set up and working, it will print. |
| 11:30.49 | weedar | And also, thanks a bundle for taking the time to help me out :) |
| 11:31.01 | Spine | How can i mount a NTFS partition/drive that i cant see ? |
| 11:31.24 | robm | liable: thx, i try this one |
| 11:31.31 | Pihhan | robm: what gives dpkg-query -W lpr? |
| 11:31.48 | loke | spine, mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/ntfs |
| 11:31.58 | Spine | ty |
| 11:32.00 | robm | liable: 1:2003.09.23-7 |
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| 11:32.17 | Pihhan | robm: try http://localhost:631 for configuration and testing |
| 11:32.33 | liable | weedar: looks ok.. |
| 11:32.52 | weasel_00 | loke : you could try but i doubt it would do much good. cf is like php where it hides everything that they dont want you to see |
| 11:32.54 | liable | robm: whats that? |
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| 11:33.18 | Pihhan | robm: uninstall then lpr package, you should not have instaled both lpr and cupsys-bsd |
| 11:33.28 | robm | :liable should go to Pihhan |
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| 11:33.39 | robm | liable: k |
| 11:33.39 | liable | cupsys-bsd conflicts with lpr |
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| 11:34.03 | liable | !conflicts cupsys-bsd sarge |
| 11:34.06 | dpkg | cupsys-bsd: lpr, lprng, manpages-fr (<< 0.9.5-1) |
| 11:35.26 | Pihhan | anyone here using squirrelmail package from sarge? |
| 11:36.57 | liable | hrm, i cant remember the exact shits for lpr command line printing. |
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| 11:39.15 | liable | hahaha, my printer is unplugged... |
| 11:39.25 | robm | liable: ;) |
| 11:39.33 | Pihhan | robm: if you can choose, you may wish use cupsdoprint command instead of lpr |
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| 11:39.49 | robm | liable: k i try it |
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| 11:40.53 | liable | hrm, waiting. |
| 11:40.53 | dBgBdWolf | aargh. so, if i set /etc/hostname to "localhost.localdomain", hostname -s returns "localhost" (as expected), and hostname returns "localhost.localdomain" (as expected), but why does hostname -f return just "localhost"? |
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| 11:41.34 | robm | liable: moment plz |
| 11:41.59 | liable | ahh, yes, there goes 4 copies of fstab.. :) |
| 11:42.27 | liable | lpr -P <printer name> /etc/fstab |
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| 11:43.11 | liable | printer name not even needed.. |
| 11:43.19 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 11:43.19 | dpkg | rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 11:43.21 | liable | 5 copies.. :) |
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| 11:43.34 | liable | if its set as default. |
| 11:43.36 | loke | weasel_00 |
| 11:43.38 | loke | i found it |
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| 11:44.20 | loke | weasel_00 solon/media/tuner/LaunchTuner?aff=fm949sd&userSame=true |
| 11:44.55 | loke | weasel_00 when i hit enter i get solon/media/tuner/BrowserInfo.htm?NN1++NoPlayer+NoPlugin |
| 11:45.03 | dBgBdWolf | should /etc/hostname have the fqdn, or just the hostname portion? |
| 11:45.19 | disposable | will a compact flash WiFi card work through a usb memory card reader? |
| 11:45.20 | loke | dBgBdWolf both if u like |
| 11:46.11 | liable | disposable: google is your best bet there. |
| 11:46.15 | dBgBdWolf | does hostname --fqdn give you your fqdn? it seems to always give me just the leftmost hostname, no matter what i do |
| 11:46.23 | weasel_00 | loke : think you still need the actuall filenameof the stream... radio stations like ot hide that info otherwise they lose hits on ads for the station |
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| 11:47.20 | lewis | sorry - what is the debian amd64 channel called again? |
| 11:47.29 | kenrick | i have a problem with USB, for some reason doesn't auto detect when i plug it in. |
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| 11:47.54 | yereth | hi girls |
| 11:48.07 | myr | Bonjours à toutes et à tous ! |
| 11:48.22 | weasel_00 | !fr |
| 11:48.22 | dpkg | it has been said that fr is Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debianfr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debianfr |
| 11:48.37 | loke | weasel_00 i think i got something here |
| 11:48.43 | blondie | bonjour |
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| 11:49.30 | weasel_00 | if this mud fails to compile again im gonna throw the whole damn thing out in the rain..argh |
| 11:49.31 | dBgBdWolf | doh. it seems that the output of hostname -f depends on the order of my /etc/hosts entry |
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| 11:50.11 | yereth | I have some trouble with wxwidgets.. first I tried the apt source, but that didn't give me anything.. now I compiled wxBase 2.6.2 and wxGtk2.6.2 myself, the second with --enable-unicode and --with-gtk, but when I try to compile my C++ program it gives the following error: |
| 11:50.23 | yereth | /usr/local/include/wx/chkconf.h:84:9: error: #error "wxUSE_DYNLIB_CLASS must be defined." |
| 11:50.35 | yereth | any thoughts |
| 11:50.35 | yereth | ? |
| 11:50.59 | yereth | (actually I get a few screens of errors, but it starts with this one) |
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| 11:52.30 | loke | hey weasel_00 join #flood |
| 11:52.52 | initzero_ | GO M. SCHUMACHER GO !!! |
| 11:53.02 | David-SFN | ok i'm going to throw this out there because i've been trying for hours and have no idea how to get going. Why does my USB keyboard lock up when selecting language on the 3.1 installer? I know it's a stupid question but if anyone has a quick answer it would be much appreciated |
| 11:53.35 | Storkme | how can i tell when my script in cron.daily is going to be executed? |
| 11:53.46 | deadcat_ | Gnea: can you give me the instrctions for e17 please. thanks |
| 11:53.48 | initzero_ | AMD AMD AMD AMD AMD AMD AMD AMD |
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| 11:54.04 | David-SFN | it's a stupid question because i am guessing it's something really obvious |
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| 11:56.25 | jetscreamer | only thing i can think of is do you have usb keyboard support enabled in the bios |
| 11:56.35 | blondie | w/in 36 |
| 11:56.36 | jetscreamer | which isn't very helpful |
| 11:56.45 | tarzeau | when i try xawtv i get: vbi: open failed [/dev/vbi], open /dev/vbi: No such file or directory |
| 11:57.09 | David-SFN | yeah, i'll check it just in case but i'm pretty sure it does, it works when installing VMWare ESX server and ubuntu |
| 11:58.36 | Storkme | how can i tell when my script in cron.daily is going to be executed? |
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| 11:59.07 | loke | weasel_00 http://rafb.net/paste/results/PqSAmF51.html |
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| 12:00.00 | jorgito | hi does anybody know vxworks ? |
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| 12:00.29 | loke | so basically i have to install Internet Explorer and Windows Media Player in debian via wine to listen to this damn stream on fm949sd.com?!?!?!?!?!?! weasel_00?!?!?!?!?!?! |
| 12:00.45 | David-SFN | use a VM! |
| 12:00.51 | David-SFN | that's what VMs are for |
| 12:00.54 | weasel_00 | loke : the pastebin.. worthless info -) |
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| 12:01.07 | loke | David-SFN vmware? |
| 12:01.15 | initzero_ | go steal vm ware |
| 12:01.21 | EvilGuru | on my gentoo terminal I get nice colours for things like <user>@<host> which look very nice |
| 12:01.22 | loke | vmware server is free |
| 12:01.22 | David-SFN | yeah |
| 12:01.31 | David-SFN | so is vmware player |
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| 12:01.32 | gary | O/T: Does anyone here have a 19" TFT ? |
| 12:01.33 | EvilGuru | what do I need to do to my .bashrc to get the same in debia |
| 12:01.37 | initzero_ | i prefer vmware prof with keygen |
| 12:01.40 | weasel_00 | loke : i suggest searching through there forum for support regarding their stream. ;) |
| 12:01.47 | David-SFN | but i don't know if player is available on linux |
| 12:01.49 | initzero_ | server is useless for desktops |
| 12:02.08 | David-SFN | haha |
| 12:02.16 | loke | weasel_00 what good will searching the forum do? |
| 12:02.19 | initzero_ | player cant create VMs |
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| 12:02.29 | loke | initzero_ player? |
| 12:02.30 | weedar | you can create a VM with bochs though |
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| 12:02.36 | initzero_ | vm ware player |
| 12:02.44 | David-SFN | vmware player, it will run VMs but not create them |
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| 12:03.01 | weasel_00 | loke : some one will provide support and you will find the the actuall stream info... techs never check forums for backdoors ;) |
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| 12:03.32 | David-SFN | i'm trying to build a debian box to run vmware server right now, but considering i can't get past the "select language" screen i may go back to "testing" ESX server |
| 12:03.52 | initzero_ | ;) |
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| 12:04.22 | weasel_00 | David-SFN : it wouldnt be dropping it because its thinking about remmapping the keyboard is it? |
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| 12:04.39 | David-SFN | posibility |
| 12:04.50 | kevix | David-SFN: IIRC there used to be a nolangchooser option. |
| 12:05.01 | David-SFN | no lang chooser you say, i might try that |
| 12:05.24 | loke | weasel_00 why do i need the stream info? |
| 12:05.29 | kevix | David-SFN: I used it on the woody cd for PPC |
| 12:05.29 | Storkme | how can i tell when my script in cron.daily is going to be executed? |
| 12:05.41 | Jhair | AFAIK you can create VM images with qemu and run them with vmplayer, I do that to run ubuntu dapper in a vm |
| 12:05.45 | initzero_ | thanks to the vmware crap i can modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
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| 12:05.58 | David-SFN | alright i got it working using linux26, but i assume i want 24 so i'll go back and try nolangchooser |
| 12:06.09 | kevix | Storkme: a watched cron never runs x-) |
| 12:06.31 | weasel_00 | loke : no link to the effect of http://www/foo/bar/blah.mpg == no music |
| 12:06.51 | Storkme | lol kevix :P |
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| 12:07.55 | Storkme | but seriously, how? |
| 12:08.03 | kevix | Storkme: a cron has a date/time/day of week as part of the command. so why would you expect it to not follow it |
| 12:08.24 | Storkme | well i put my script on there quite some time ago |
| 12:08.25 | loke | weasel_00 its free for windows |
| 12:08.45 | BlueFish | Hello |
| 12:08.50 | weasel_00 | loke : whats free? |
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| 12:09.03 | kevix | Storkme: so issue a 'crontab -e' and see what it says ? |
| 12:09.24 | kevix | weasel_00: vmware player? |
| 12:09.35 | loke | weasel_00 the stream on that site fm949sd.com |
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| 12:09.57 | kevix | loke: I have not seem many internet radio that is not free. |
| 12:10.00 | cmdKeen | Where can I get linux-source-2.6.12 please ? |
| 12:10.02 | weasel_00 | kevix : not sure if vmplayer is free or not.. been a while since i used vmware |
| 12:10.18 | David-SFN | vmplayer is free |
| 12:10.23 | kevix | weasel_00: I was not sure. |
| 12:10.29 | loke | kevix why can i not play this stream at the bottom of this page in linux, http://rafb.net/paste/results/PqSAmF51.html |
| 12:10.33 | loke | whoops |
| 12:10.34 | loke | wrong link |
| 12:10.39 | loke | http://fm949sd.com/listen/index.cfm |
| 12:10.55 | kevix | anyone who likes radio: check this out: publicradiofan.org |
| 12:11.33 | Jhair | kevix: or install streamtuner... |
| 12:11.57 | Storkme | kevix, it says "no crontab for root" and "no crontab for alex" :| |
| 12:12.06 | weasel_00 | loke : the radio station has their service setup for Mac and Win desktops. if you realy want to listen then you have 2 options. dedicate or emulate a compatible computer or find out what the exact link is for the said stream so you can "hack" the stream to listen to it on linux... |
| 12:13.26 | Eulex | loke, the link that that image opens in a window 404s. at least here. |
| 12:13.26 | weasel_00 | mmmm npr... red & green show..best thing to come out of canada consistently for years ;) |
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| 12:13.53 | loke | eulex what does that mean? |
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| 12:14.13 | Eulex | loke, 404 == The page cannot be found |
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| 12:14.24 | loke | eulex try it in windows, you will hear music |
| 12:15.03 | kevix | loke: I have not run it but from the code it seems to EMBED a swf (flash) media player. |
| 12:15.14 | weasel_00 | kevix : publicradiofan.org wishes you to be patient as the page is being built ;) |
| 12:15.26 | loke | kevix, http://rafb.net/paste/results/PqSAmF51.html |
| 12:15.28 | Eulex | loke, ok. then check the source of that page in windows for the real stream url |
| 12:15.39 | loke | source page heh? |
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| 12:15.47 | loke | eulex i will try |
| 12:15.56 | weasel_00 | Eulex : its not listed... the page was done in coldfusion |
| 12:16.04 | Storkme | kevix, you there? |
| 12:16.29 | kevix | loke: when ever I go to these type of radio pages, I examine the html source to see what they are doing. |
| 12:16.34 | kevix | Storkme: here. |
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| 12:16.46 | loke | kevix did you look at the link? |
| 12:16.47 | Storkme | kevix, it says "no crontab for root" and "no crontab for alex" :\ |
| 12:17.00 | kevix | Storkme: so what makes you thinl it will run something? |
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| 12:17.11 | kevix | loke: not yet! |
| 12:17.12 | Storkme | kevix, i have a script in cron.daily :| |
| 12:17.22 | Storkme | cron.hourly even |
| 12:17.28 | loke | weasel_00: // Url to launch the tuner |
| 12:17.29 | loke | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:17.56 | weasel_00 | loke : "tuner" is different than the link of the stream |
| 12:17.58 | loke | LaunchTuner?aff=fm949sd&userSame=true |
| 12:18.02 | loke | whoops |
| 12:18.12 | loke | http://66.250.188.210/solon/media/tuner/Tuner |
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| 12:18.26 | Eulex | loke, destination = tunerUrl + "?aff=fm949sd&userSame=true" + "&type=" + bT and friends look interesting |
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| 12:18.34 | weasel_00 | loke " tuner refers to the new window that opens up thats looks like a cheesy radio tuner |
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| 12:20.29 | loke | eulex is that the answer? |
| 12:20.55 | kevix | loke: I can not make head or tales of that code x-) |
| 12:21.51 | loke | eulex, so its /solon/media/tuner/LaunchTuner?aff=fm949sd&userSame=true + + "&type=" + bT |
| 12:21.52 | loke | ype; |
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| 12:22.08 | Eulex | loke, ah, no. + means string concatenation. |
| 12:22.18 | kevix | Storkme: what does: crontab -l say |
| 12:22.33 | tarzeau | does someone use qc-usb-source on 2.6 kernels? |
| 12:22.48 | loke | Eulex i dont follow |
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| 12:23.02 | Storkme | kevix, "no crontab for alex" |
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| 12:23.41 | Storkme | ... or you could get some more |
| 12:23.44 | kevix | Storkme: you say you added a file to a directory? |
| 12:23.57 | kevix | !dpkg beer weasel_00 |
| 12:24.28 | weasel_00 | why oh why dokg would you decant a fine belgium like that? |
| 12:24.50 | Storkme | kevix, yes, it's called 'sendmusic' and is executable |
| 12:25.00 | Eulex | loke, concatenation means putting together two things. in this case, it would become /solon/media/tuner/LaunchTuner?aff=fm949sd&userSame=true&type=. I can't find any bT variable, so maybe it should be left empty. or maybe it |
| 12:25.22 | Eulex | loke, or maybe it's shorthand for bType, in which case you could figure out the value of bType |
| 12:25.28 | kevix | Storkme: it would seem that that is not the way 'cron' expects things to be added and thus ignores it |
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| 12:25.47 | Storkme | kevix, hmm, so what do i do? |
| 12:26.16 | kevix | Storkme: add a line in cron using crontab -e pointing to your line |
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| 12:26.34 | kevix | Storkme: s/line/file/ |
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| 12:26.58 | Storkme | kevix, crontab -e just opens 'nano' at 'File: /tmp/crontab.AMX5PZ/crontab' |
| 12:27.12 | kevix | Storkme: the other options is to figure out how cron.daily works |
| 12:27.20 | loke | Eulex im gonna try in windows and see what i get |
| 12:27.24 | loke | bbiaf |
| 12:27.30 | kevix | yes. have you ever made a cron entry? |
| 12:27.44 | Storkme | no |
| 12:28.38 | Storkme | kevix, so i need to add a line to crontab -e? |
| 12:28.42 | kevix | Storkme: man cron and make a 'simple' entry. after you get the hang of it, replace the 'simple' command with your command (using the full path) |
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| 12:31.34 | kevix | Deb_Troll: funny I think I just found a clue for loke x-) |
| 12:32.17 | Deb_Troll | eeeeeew |
| 12:32.18 | Storkme | mmn, salty. |
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| 12:32.48 | Deb_Troll | kevix : so spill it? |
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| 12:33.09 | dZen|n| | hello |
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| 12:33.13 | dZen|n| | I need help |
| 12:33.22 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 12:33.22 | dpkg | it has been said that popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 12:33.26 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 12:33.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 12:33.32 | gmh | hello, when i do apt-get update in Sid, found this error: W: GPG error: http://ftp.debian.org sid Release |
| 12:33.33 | nafed_ | is there any way that i can mount a dvd which was originally burnt in windows? |
| 12:33.33 | kevix | Deb_Troll: open the page and search for GoTuner |
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| 12:34.02 | Deb_Troll | kevix : can you shoot me the link again? |
| 12:34.19 | kevix | gmh: its a WARNING, so it will not stop you from installing stuff. |
| 12:34.24 | gmh | and BADSIG 010908312D230C5F , what can i do? |
| 12:34.25 | dZen|n| | I am trying to install indiswrapper, but when I do make install it tells me that it can't finde kernel sources |
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| 12:34.57 | gmh | kevix, ok, how a can fix this? |
| 12:35.09 | kevix | !debkey |
| 12:35.14 | Deb_Troll | jesus are muds so pase now that there is no decent docs on them anymore? bwahahaha |
| 12:35.22 | kevix | !debian gpg |
| 12:35.41 | kevix | !gpg key |
| 12:35.48 | nafed_ | is there any way that i can mount a dvd which was originally burnt in windows?? |
| 12:36.10 | blondie | nafed_: why wouldn't there be? |
| 12:36.11 | gmh | kevix, i try with gpg --keyserver keyring.debian.org --recv key 2D230C5F |
| 12:36.12 | kevix | nafed_: if it IS a dvd, it should work everwhere. |
| 12:36.14 | blondie | just mount it |
| 12:36.16 | Eulex | nafed_, of course. just mount it. |
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| 12:36.35 | gmh | kevix, and gpg --armor --export 2D230C5F | apt-key add - |
| 12:36.36 | liable | gmh: there seems to be a problem with ftp.d.o atm. try another server |
| 12:36.37 | kevix | gmh: ok. i guess you found it... |
| 12:36.40 | nafed_ | but it keeps telling me wrong fs type |
| 12:36.58 | blondie | use the right one then |
| 12:37.05 | blondie | -t udf or whatever |
| 12:37.11 | Deb_Troll | kevix : hmmm.. not sure |
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| 12:37.16 | nafed_ | wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc/ |
| 12:37.19 | liable | gmh: ftp.d.o failed, ftp.us.d.o failed, ftp.au.d.o worked for me.. |
| 12:37.27 | k31th | Hi, my squirrelmail is not working its picking up mail fine but not sending it... I logged onto the mailserver locally using telnet to port 25 and i could send mail fine |
| 12:37.31 | k31th | but SM wont send it. Any ideals ? |
| 12:37.31 | gmh | liable, kevix ok, thanks |
| 12:38.23 | liable | server borkage or something.. |
| 12:38.34 | Deb_Troll | kevix : 404s @ sonixtream |
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| 12:39.28 | nafed_ | Any other suggestions Eulex? |
| 12:39.32 | bobyfixer | fuck free speach |
| 12:39.39 | Jhair | uh? |
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| 12:39.48 | liable | huh? |
| 12:40.12 | bobyfixer | LOL |
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| 12:40.52 | Deb_Troll | bobyfixer : if you resent your right to free speech you should atleast take your right to an education and learn to spell speech right for your protest signs ;) |
| 12:40.54 | Storkme | kevix, i put another line in /etc/crontab which didn't do anything |
| 12:41.00 | Eulex | nafed_, well, what filesystem are you trying to mount it as? |
| 12:41.31 | kevix | Storkme: like this '0,22,40 * * * * /home/kevin/crontab_mail.sh' |
| 12:41.46 | bobyfixer | Deb_Troll WHAT ABOUT YOU SUCKING MY POOP |
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| 12:41.55 | nafed_ | Eulex whatever it is set to as default |
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| 12:42.02 | loke | weasel_00 eulex i found it |
| 12:42.04 | Deb_Troll | im almost entertained.. |
| 12:42.07 | nafed_ | but instead of hdc i just tried /dev/cdrom |
| 12:42.16 | nafed_ | and im getting weird warning msg`s now |
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| 12:42.19 | Eulex | nafed_, try -t udf and -t iso9660 |
| 12:42.19 | Deb_Troll | loke : do tell :) |
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| 12:42.33 | nafed_ | cant find numbered character 148? |
| 12:42.39 | loke | http://tuner1.dc1.sonixtream.com/playlists/fm949sd/fm949sdKBZT.asx |
| 12:42.47 | loke | how can i play that in linux? |
| 12:42.57 | Storkme | kevix, 00,30 * * * * root /home/alex/sendmusic |
| 12:43.00 | kevix | bobyfixer: would you like some help out the door... or would you like to be civil and as a question? |
| 12:43.05 | loke | kevix i found the url |
| 12:43.15 | loke | kevix now what app do i need to play it? |
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| 12:43.36 | kevix | loke maybe xine ? |
| 12:43.51 | loke | is xine in apt? |
| 12:44.01 | jetscreamer | apt-get install xine-ui |
| 12:44.01 | loke | because my apt-cache search doesnt show it |
| 12:44.08 | jetscreamer | there are many front ends TO xine |
| 12:44.27 | jetscreamer | it may not be in etch |
| 12:44.33 | jetscreamer | actually i think it's not |
| 12:44.33 | liable | apt-cache search is your friend |
| 12:44.39 | kevix | jetscreamer: IIRC it is non-free |
| 12:44.46 | jetscreamer | it's in sarge and sid |
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| 12:44.51 | jetscreamer | !info xine-ui |
| 12:44.59 | dpkg | xine-ui: (the xine video player, user interface), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.99.3-1.3 (sid), Packaged size: 1682 kB, Installed size: 3456 kB |
| 12:45.09 | kevix | jetscreamer: I am guessing the codecs? |
| 12:45.10 | jetscreamer | !info xine-ui etch |
| 12:45.11 | loke | xine-ui is not in etch's apt repositories |
| 12:45.20 | liable | !+info xine-ui etch |
| 12:45.22 | dpkg | Package 'xine-ui' does not exist. |
| 12:45.22 | loke | E: Package xine-ui has no installation candidate |
| 12:45.32 | jetscreamer | get the one from sid |
| 12:45.36 | loke | how |
| 12:45.40 | jetscreamer | pdo |
| 12:45.42 | liable | !why is xine-ui not in testing |
| 12:45.43 | dpkg | xine-ui is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=xine-ui |
| 12:45.44 | Deb_Troll | !mplayer |
| 12:45.45 | dpkg | i heard mplayer is not packaged by debian for complicated reasons, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. see <mplayer legal saga> |
| 12:45.48 | Storkme | kevix, there's nothing wrong with that line is there? |
| 12:46.08 | darkhunter^ | loke: gxine? |
| 12:46.09 | loke | jetscreamer how do i get it from sid? |
| 12:46.14 | jetscreamer | pdo |
| 12:46.20 | Deb_Troll | !knoppix |
| 12:46.20 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandriva is redhat. |
| 12:46.24 | jetscreamer | !tell loke -about pdo |
| 12:46.46 | jetscreamer | there is also totem-xine |
| 12:46.48 | loke | k |
| 12:46.52 | jetscreamer | !find xine |
| 12:46.54 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'xine' (13): amarok-xine ;; gxine ;; gxineplugin ;; kaffeine-xine ;; libarts1-xine ;; libxine-dev ;; libxine1 ;; libxinerama-dev ;; libxinerama1 ;; libxinerama1-dbg ;; totem-xine ;; xine-ui ;; xinetd. |
| 12:46.57 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 12:47.43 | jetscreamer | i wasn't thrilled with totem-xine, but that was a long time ago |
| 12:48.02 | kevix | Storkme: try making in run 3-5 min from now so that you can see it run. |
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| 12:48.21 | Storkme | kevix, after adding that line do i need to restart cron or anything |
| 12:48.37 | kevix | Storkme: just edit and save. |
| 12:49.06 | Storkme | kevix, after editing and saving, crontab -l still says "no crontab for alex" |
| 12:49.22 | Deb_Troll | night all |
| 12:49.24 | blondie | Storkme: what have you done with my crontab? |
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| 12:50.40 | Storkme | kevix, this crontab stuff is so damn confusing!! |
| 12:50.47 | rss | is there any password protected rar cracking tool? |
| 12:50.52 | liable | !confuse Storkme |
| 12:50.52 | dpkg | Yes, them is our bacon yesterday, Storkme? trousers of the dictatorship of liechtenstein with extra anchovies |
| 12:50.55 | kevix | Storkme: it shoun't be? |
| 12:51.08 | liable | rss: wtf? |
| 12:51.25 | Storkme | kevix, well i've done everything i should need to do and it doesn't work |
| 12:51.35 | kevix | rss: we do not advocate cracking here. |
| 12:51.41 | rss | liable: I have a rar that needs a password to extract files out of it... |
| 12:51.46 | loke | jetscreamer how do i install xine and all the dependencies? |
| 12:51.56 | loke | jetscreamer from pdo? |
| 12:51.57 | kevix | Storkme: ask on debian-user mailing list. they will know! |
| 12:52.06 | Jhair | rss: and? |
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| 12:52.19 | Storkme | okay kevix |
| 12:52.22 | blondie | rss: ask the person who set the password |
| 12:52.23 | liable | rss: so ask the person that sent it for the password. |
| 12:52.26 | kevix | rss: and how is it related to debian or free software? |
| 12:52.33 | rss | kevix: matter of fact, that rar contains a book that is centuries old and obviously public domain |
| 12:52.45 | jetscreamer | loke: d/l the .debs |
| 12:52.52 | blondie | rss: but yes, wtf is it to do with debian? |
| 12:52.58 | kevix | rss: and why is that in a password protected file? |
| 12:53.00 | jetscreamer | loke: |
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| 12:53.22 | rss | I want to know whether there is tool to crack it that runs on debian |
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| 12:53.32 | Xtremcer | ? |
| 12:53.35 | jetscreamer | an easier way would be to change your sources to sarge, apt-get update, apt-get install xine-ui, change sources back, apt-get update |
| 12:53.36 | Xtremcer | hellow |
| 12:53.39 | rss | kevix: I don't know |
| 12:53.47 | kevix | rss: rar exists but I dont think it cracks files.... |
| 12:53.51 | Xtremcer | hellow |
| 12:53.52 | jetscreamer | see also apt-pinning |
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| 12:54.03 | jetscreamer | !apt-pinning |
| 12:54.03 | dpkg | methinks apt-pinning is read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. |
| 12:54.25 | blondie | rss: what book is it? and where did you get the rar? |
| 12:54.36 | Xtremcer | I need help |
| 12:54.49 | Xtremcer | hellow |
| 12:54.50 | Xtremcer | ? |
| 12:54.53 | kevix | rss: you can certainly use free software tools as you wish, even to crack files x-) |
| 12:54.58 | loke | jetscreamer so i just change etch to sarge in apt sources.list and then apt update? |
| 12:55.16 | blondie | Xtremcer: hush |
| 12:55.20 | jetscreamer | loke: yeah, but don't do upgrade :) |
| 12:55.24 | loke | k |
| 12:55.28 | blondie | Xtremcer: hello has no W |
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| 12:55.32 | jetscreamer | !greet Xtremcer |
| 12:55.32 | dpkg | Tag, Xtremcer |
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| 12:55.40 | rss | blondie: an old book about constitutional history |
| 12:55.43 | blondie | and just ask your question instead of screaming like a child |
| 12:55.43 | Xtremcer | oh yes |
| 12:55.49 | Xtremcer | :) |
| 12:56.09 | darth_chatri | how can i put the dhcp in the background during bootup? |
| 12:56.10 | Shadowcat | ya screaming like a child is blondie's trademark |
| 12:56.14 | Shadowcat | >:) |
| 12:56.14 | jetscreamer | !tell Xtremcer -about ask |
| 12:56.15 | Xtremcer | some troubles in my system |
| 12:56.17 | blondie | yes it is |
| 12:56.18 | rss | blondie: should I mail you a copy? |
| 12:56.27 | blondie | rss: no thanks, sounds rather dull |
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| 12:56.43 | darth_chatri | if there is no network available, it takes a long time to bootup, so backgrounding would help |
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| 12:57.13 | blondie | Xtremcer: and? |
| 12:57.25 | loke | hey jetscreamer |
| 12:57.43 | loke | it says libxine1 has unmet dependencies which are not going to be installed |
| 12:57.58 | loke | libogg0 libtheora0 libvorbis0a |
| 12:58.12 | Xtremcer | and two system in my PC (FC4+XP) |
| 12:58.12 | jetscreamer | install them |
| 12:58.18 | loke | apt-get -f install |
| 12:58.21 | jetscreamer | no |
| 12:58.28 | loke | it worked |
| 12:58.30 | robm | Pihhan: thx. printing from console with cupsdoprint works now fine. |
| 12:58.32 | jetscreamer | ok |
| 12:58.49 | loke | thanks |
| 12:58.53 | jetscreamer | change back |
| 12:59.02 | jetscreamer | man apt-preferences |
| 12:59.03 | Xtremcer | now the XP do not run |
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| 13:00.15 | Xtremcer | so I just want to re-install the XP |
| 13:00.34 | jetscreamer | Xtremcer: no you can recover the xp if you want |
| 13:00.45 | jetscreamer | fix the boot loader |
| 13:00.58 | jetscreamer | the guys in ##windows could help you |
| 13:00.58 | SerajewelKS | Xtremcer: where does debian fit into this |
| 13:01.33 | jetscreamer | Xtremcer: i think you want ##windows |
| 13:01.38 | loke | jetscreamer i got a xine plugin error now |
| 13:01.46 | Xtremcer | I want recover it,but when I put the CD in , the PC will do nothing |
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| 13:01.49 | loke | it says xine doesnt have a demux plugin |
| 13:02.11 | jetscreamer | loke if you changed back, do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 13:02.18 | SerajewelKS | Xtremcer: this is not a windows or fedora support channel. please stay on topic or ask somewhere else. |
| 13:02.23 | loke | k |
| 13:02.39 | Xtremcer | ok ..... = =b |
| 13:02.44 | Xtremcer | quit |
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| 13:03.13 | loke | jetscreamer still same error |
| 13:03.29 | jetscreamer | loke: xine-check as user |
| 13:03.32 | jetscreamer | in xterm |
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| 13:03.37 | loke | there is no demuxer available to handle, http://tuner1.dc1.sonixtream.com/playlists/fm949sd/fm949sdKBZT.asx |
| 13:03.43 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 13:03.53 | jetscreamer | !tell loke -about marillat |
| 13:04.00 | jetscreamer | !tell loke -about w32codecs |
| 13:04.21 | yonkeltron | i wish there was a way to get a progress indicator on tar |
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| 13:05.48 | tarzeau | anyone for some http://bub-n-bros.sf.net ? there's a new metaserver |
| 13:05.56 | jetscreamer | yonkeltron: that's not worthy of an /amsg, good call |
| 13:06.11 | liable | loke: mplayer -playlist http://tuner1.dc1.sonixtream.com/playlists/fm949sd/fm949sdKBZT.asx |
| 13:06.17 | yonkeltron | jetscreamer: wha? |
| 13:06.23 | loke | liable how do i install mplayer? |
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| 13:06.32 | liable | !marillat |
| 13:06.32 | dpkg | hmm... marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> <marillat.etch> <marillat.sid> |
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| 13:06.38 | liable | loke: ^^ |
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| 13:07.38 | loke | liable i tried before i it was insanely difficult |
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| 13:07.47 | liable | loke: xmms should be able to handle it too. |
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| 13:08.11 | SerajewelKS | liable: asx streams? without w32codecs? |
| 13:08.21 | liable | loke: huh? installing mplayer is as easy as adding the source to source.list |
| 13:08.29 | loke | which source? |
| 13:08.35 | Wille88 | what is the easiest way to create a repository? |
| 13:08.36 | liable | SerajewelKS: of course you need the codecas |
| 13:08.41 | liable | codecs |
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| 13:08.49 | jetscreamer | the marillat one you've been told about like 3 times i think |
| 13:08.50 | liable | did i say you didnt |
| 13:08.55 | blondie | installing mplayer is as easy as compiling it |
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| 13:09.15 | jetscreamer | did you not get the msg's from dpkg? |
| 13:09.29 | loke | ahh |
| 13:09.30 | loke | ok |
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| 13:10.31 | loke | i have to do gpg as a user? |
| 13:11.02 | liable | loke: follow the instructions on the page |
| 13:11.23 | loke | k |
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| 13:13.35 | adii | hello : i can't use my shift , ctrl and alt keys. keyboard config panel states there's a bug in "libxklavier" or something. what can i do , |
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| 13:14.15 | liable | whats keyboard config panel? |
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| 13:14.35 | adii | gdm preferences, keyboard |
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| 13:14.54 | liable | oh |
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| 13:20.37 | adii | actually it is working weirdly |
| 13:20.57 | adii | ctrl+f opens a "search" windows |
| 13:21.11 | adii | but i can't use upper characters |
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| 13:21.13 | adii | (using shift) |
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| 13:21.52 | blondie | hi abrotman |
| 13:22.02 | abrotman | hi blondie |
| 13:22.38 | knvinh | when in KDE, my firefox doesn't use theme ClearLook, it always uses default gnome theme. After starting /usr/bin/gnome-theme-manager, everything seems ok, |
| 13:22.46 | knvinh | any idea? |
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| 13:22.59 | liable | ohnos |
| 13:23.03 | abrotman | kde uses qt .. gnome uses gtk ? |
| 13:23.14 | blondie | kde is rubbish"! |
| 13:23.17 | knvinh | abrotman: yes |
| 13:23.30 | liable | kde is ok. |
| 13:23.30 | abrotman | that was my idea ... |
| 13:23.39 | abrotman | those bastards at trolltech stole it from me |
| 13:23.54 | SerajewelKS | !start a wm war |
| 13:23.54 | dpkg | emacs sucks! |
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| 13:24.01 | SerajewelKS | wtf |
| 13:24.03 | knvinh | abrotman: in Fedora, by default firefox uses gnome-theme, which I set for it in gnome-theme-manager |
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| 13:24.10 | knvinh | but Debian not |
| 13:24.10 | SerajewelKS | since when did wm = editor |
| 13:24.24 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: it's a joke about emacs |
| 13:24.25 | abrotman | !bloat |
| 13:24.26 | dpkg | "GCC is the only one [GNU Software] that I really care about. A number of them I hate with a passion; the Emacs editor is horrible, for example. While Linux is larger than Emacs, at least Linux has the excuse that it needs to be." -- Linus Torvalds (father of Linux), or see <emacs> or <emacs disease> |
| 13:24.49 | liable | heh, thats the quote i was thinking of.. :) |
| 13:24.56 | Virtual | if I want to download a GPG key where do I put it ?? |
| 13:24.56 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: O_o |
| 13:24.59 | abrotman | knvinh: i'd probably ask #debian-kde .. there's some way to make gtk apps use qt themes |
| 13:25.15 | SerajewelKS | Virtual: anywhere, then you do 'gpg --import filename' |
| 13:25.16 | abrotman | Virtual: key for what? |
| 13:25.33 | Virtual | abrotman: apt |
| 13:25.38 | knvinh | abrotman: ok, thanks |
| 13:25.45 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: you can get gtk apps to use the qt theme but it's ugly at best |
| 13:26.01 | liable | Virtual: are you having key problems? seems theres a bit of borkage atm.. |
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| 13:26.30 | Virtual | liable: no, it works fine, i just added another source to download the fglrx driver for my ATI card and I needed to add its key |
| 13:26.38 | abrotman | Virtual: you can pipe it directly to apt-key |
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| 13:26.54 | liable | Virtual: oh, then follow the instructions on the site. |
| 13:27.15 | SerajewelKS | has testing been updated at all in the last three days? |
| 13:27.17 | knvinh | abrotman: but I want firefox to use Clearlook theme, when I start KDE, but it doesn't |
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| 13:27.50 | SerajewelKS | knvinh: run gtk-theme-switch2 and set the theme, then it should persist in all desktop environments |
| 13:27.57 | abrotman | knvinh: right .. there's some way to tell kwin to use the qt theme instead of the gtk theme |
| 13:28.04 | abrotman | bah .. perfdave left again! |
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| 13:28.18 | Babbelaar | hey |
| 13:28.19 | liable | thats bad? |
| 13:28.29 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: and, as i said, doing that is a Bad Idea |
| 13:28.57 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: there are tons of graphical errors and often the font colors match the background of the widget for some reason |
| 13:29.03 | Babbelaar | postgresql server, do i need to have more cpu power or more interal memorie? |
| 13:29.23 | liable | !vagueness |
| 13:29.23 | dpkg | VAGUENESS MAKES THE BABY PENGUINS CRY! |
| 13:29.34 | SerajewelKS | Babbelaar: what the hell kind of question is that |
| 13:29.38 | abrotman | liable: just that he and cheal are the only kde people in the channel i know of |
| 13:29.46 | Babbelaar | one that needs an awnser |
| 13:29.47 | liable | abrotman: ah. |
| 13:29.52 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i'm a kde people! |
| 13:29.52 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: well .. if you know how to do it .. help him :) |
| 13:29.58 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: i'm sorry |
| 13:30.02 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i did =) |
| 13:30.19 | SerajewelKS | Babbelaar: there is no answer to that question, because that question makes absolutely no fucking sense |
| 13:30.19 | abrotman | you stay over there .. mmkay? |
| 13:30.20 | Virtual | what X.Org version is now available in unstable ? |
| 13:30.35 | abrotman | Babbelaar: ask #postgresql |
| 13:30.38 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i think someone crapped in this bucket =( |
| 13:30.44 | Eulex | Virtual, 6.9.0 |
| 13:30.46 | kevix | Virtual: 6.9.x (7.0 in experimental) |
| 13:30.49 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: that's how i feel about kde too :) |
| 13:30.56 | SerajewelKS | !beat abrotman |
| 13:30.57 | Virtual | thank you Eulex & kevix |
| 13:31.18 | kevix | Virtual: I'm running 7.0 (leet coolness) |
| 13:31.23 | abrotman | btw .. 6.9 is also in etch |
| 13:31.24 | liable | kde is better than gnome, surely?? |
| 13:31.43 | kevix | bye liable! |
| 13:31.44 | Virtual | kevix 6.9.0 is ok for me, I want to install some .deb packages of fglrx and they are made for 6.9.0 |
| 13:32.01 | Eulex | !start a wm war |
| 13:32.01 | dpkg | fvwm95 sucks! |
| 13:32.05 | tarzeau | what's /dev/vbi0 ? |
| 13:32.06 | Babbelaar | i have 2 servers, one with alot of processor power and one that has alot of memory, on wich one can i best install a postgresql server |
| 13:32.23 | liable | kevix: i have a laptop with wireless! i can still irc.. :) |
| 13:32.28 | tarzeau | Babbelaar: can you make 1 server of it? or move some memory over? |
| 13:32.49 | Babbelaar | no i cant |
| 13:32.50 | liable | but i guess i should be running from it.. |
| 13:32.52 | Babbelaar | incompatible |
| 13:33.04 | SerajewelKS | Babbelaar: i would say memory is far more important than CPU.. obviously you need a good combination, but if you have to pick one, pick memory |
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| 13:33.20 | kevix | liable: run, run away good flygons flee... |
| 13:33.26 | Babbelaar | tnx, now thats an awnser :P |
| 13:33.45 | abrotman | Babbelaar: ask #postgresql |
| 13:33.47 | Eulex | Babbelaar, yes, having too little memory has a much bigger impact on speed than having a too slow cpu. |
| 13:33.56 | SerajewelKS | Babbelaar: because you rephrased your question to make some sense =P |
| 13:34.12 | Babbelaar | yea i tried to make it quick |
| 13:34.14 | SerajewelKS | Babbelaar: most of a DB server's strain is on the disk though, pick one with a fast disk |
| 13:34.18 | Babbelaar | and get a one word awnser |
| 13:34.27 | liable | kevix: huh? ok, i think i will take your run and raise it with a sleep.. |
| 13:34.30 | Babbelaar | like "processor" or "memory' |
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| 13:34.42 | kevix | tarzeau: video blank interval decoder |
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| 13:34.46 | abrotman | Babbelaar: how much RAM/CPU are you talking here? |
| 13:34.48 | SerajewelKS | Babbelaar: though the less memory you have the higher chances it will swap, so meh |
| 13:34.54 | liable | in a minute |
| 13:35.01 | liable | or two |
| 13:35.07 | abrotman | liable: gotta get a glass of water for the goat? |
| 13:35.22 | kevix | abrotman: goats drink water? |
| 13:35.33 | abrotman | kevix: what do you think they drink? |
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| 13:35.43 | kevix | abrotman: perrier1 |
| 13:35.43 | raf256` | how can I take a laptop |
| 13:35.50 | raf256` | and connect fully to PC |
| 13:35.56 | raf256` | with X session, window manager |
| 13:36.04 | raf256` | not just ssh -X |
| 13:36.06 | liable | abrotman: no, need to finish the beer and have a smoke. once again, i am not a kiwi, i am an aussie, we dont have affection for farm animals.. |
| 13:36.14 | Babbelaar | 1 gig of ram and 550Mhz p3, and .75 gig of ram and 2x733Mhz p3 |
| 13:36.14 | abrotman | heh |
| 13:36.27 | liable | well, most of us anyway.. |
| 13:36.27 | kevix | liable: bahhhhhh! |
| 13:36.40 | abrotman | Babbelaar: if you're not doing complex queries . either machine should be fine |
| 13:36.43 | liable | !eww |
| 13:36.43 | dpkg | from memory, eww is don't be so norty |
| 13:36.54 | SerajewelKS | i don't suppose there's a vfat defragger in debian? (besides tar, yes, i know about that trick) |
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| 13:37.02 | Babbelaar | i'll just save up some money ands buy more ram |
| 13:37.03 | Babbelaar | tnx |
| 13:37.09 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: zip? :) |
| 13:37.23 | Babbelaar | and if i do use complex queries? |
| 13:37.33 | raf256` | how to log remotelly from GDM? how to setup server and client? |
| 13:37.42 | SerajewelKS | !lose abrotman |
| 13:37.42 | dpkg | abrotman: You Lose. |
| 13:38.13 | MrNaz | Babbelaar go the dual CPU box... the ram difference isnt *huge*, while the CPU difference is |
| 13:38.15 | abrotman | Babbelaar: are these large databases? |
| 13:38.36 | MrNaz | that being said, if you DB does happen to be larger than 768mb then it WILL be an issue |
| 13:38.56 | MrNaz | wrt disk speed, it's only an issue if the database is larger than the available ram |
| 13:39.20 | abrotman | unless it's mounted sync :) |
| 13:39.31 | MrNaz | heh well yea |
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| 13:39.35 | abrotman | there's a good way to kill a server .. run a db mounted sync :) |
| 13:39.58 | MrNaz | i'd use the 2x CPU machine... |
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| 13:40.07 | ncp | when will the next debian release be? |
| 13:40.08 | MrNaz | the p3 550 is not good for much more than a router |
| 13:40.17 | liable | !wwer |
| 13:40.17 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/01/msg00001.html |
| 13:40.26 | abrotman | MrNaz: that's overkill for a router |
| 13:40.37 | MrNaz | abrotman and underkill for anything else |
| 13:40.40 | MrNaz | heh |
| 13:40.41 | abrotman | not really |
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| 13:40.56 | abrotman | it's make a handy listserv .. or low traffic apache . or even a low traffic DB |
| 13:41.11 | abrotman | depending on disk .. a great fileserver |
| 13:41.16 | MrNaz | yea "low traffic" is pretty subjective hehe |
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| 13:41.36 | MrNaz | if by "low traffic" you mean low enough, a 486 will run postgresql just fine :P |
| 13:41.37 | kevix | abrotman: you can always make a beowolf cluster with a few machines x-) |
| 13:41.42 | abrotman | yay! |
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| 13:42.02 | abrotman | MrNaz: i can personally vouch that a 486 can run pgsql :) |
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| 13:42.13 | MrNaz | ive been meaning to try that heh |
| 13:42.23 | abrotman | but i have 36MB of ram in that powrehouse! |
| 13:42.34 | MrNaz | but i havent the patience to actually install a modern linux distro on one of the boxes out in the shed |
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| 13:42.39 | kevix | abrotman: have you seen those 'penguin' computer cases with IIRC arm processors? |
| 13:42.48 | abrotman | i will say that mailman should not be run on one of those .. at least not if you want to use the webinterface |
| 13:43.09 | abrotman | kevix: no .. but i'd be interested in getting one ;) |
| 13:43.10 | liable | laterz |
| 13:43.16 | abrotman | liable: take the goat! |
| 13:43.31 | liable | abrotman: i have velcro! |
| 13:43.47 | abrotman | oh .. the goat will love that |
| 13:43.53 | kevix | liable: that is a sticky situaton x-) |
| 13:44.15 | liable | abrotman: actually, there prolly isnt a goat within a thousand miles.. but i have memories.. |
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| 13:44.25 | abrotman | liable: and dreams .. night :) |
| 13:45.11 | kevix | abrotman: ummm....goat cheese! |
| 13:45.27 | abrotman | that's just mean .. that's liable's goat! |
| 13:45.41 | kevix | abrotman: I got his goat! |
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| 13:45.56 | abrotman | kevix: i wonder if he'll even notice |
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| 13:47.26 | nvz | I wonder what the penalty is for cupon fruad... heh |
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| 13:47.48 | nvz | that one kept me up all night j/k :P |
| 13:48.15 | kevix | abrotman: maybe someone can print an 8x10 of you and put it in a chair at the debconf? so that you can be there and not be there? |
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| 13:49.04 | nvz | debconf not comming to philly yet? heh |
| 13:49.21 | kevix | nvz: make them an offer they cant refuse x-) |
| 13:49.25 | abrotman | kevix: i doubt that'd be the same |
| 13:49.36 | kevix | nvz: cheesestakes for everyone! |
| 13:49.41 | nvz | I wrote them a letter and said "Yinz should come to da burg innat" but I didnt hear back from them :P |
| 13:50.02 | NiXaRLiOzGuR | hello |
| 13:50.02 | abrotman | i think philly would be a lot of fun for debian people .. |
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| 13:50.11 | NiXaRLiOzGuR | how are you everybody |
| 13:50.13 | NiXaRLiOzGuR | ? |
| 13:50.13 | abrotman | they can all spit on the declaration of independence too |
| 13:50.15 | kRiMe | debian confrence |
| 13:50.32 | NiXaRLiOzGuR | Im live in turkey now |
| 13:50.53 | abrotman | do you want my bank account number? |
| 13:50.55 | kevix | abrotman: I read that most non-us debian folks dont like to vist the us for politcal reasons |
| 13:51.14 | nvz | abrotman: sure.. the numbers on the bottom of the check..you can pay my bills |
| 13:51.16 | abrotman | kevix: right .. the kidnap capital of the world is a better place :) |
| 13:51.40 | kevix | abrotman: hehee... tell that to gunner! |
| 13:51.58 | abrotman | kevix: i'm not saying i agree with what my gov't does .. but if Temple/Penn offered facilities .. they shouldn't refuse just because it's the US |
| 13:52.01 | Babbelaar | is it possible to mount 2 hardrives to 1 mouthpoint? |
| 13:52.07 | nvz | about $450 should cover it right now |
| 13:52.08 | Babbelaar | *filesystems |
| 13:52.13 | abrotman | huh? |
| 13:52.14 | raf256 | how to fix the missing signatures? |
| 13:52.17 | raf256 | http://cpp.sourceforge.net/?show=13522 |
| 13:52.18 | kevix | abrotman: I agree. |
| 13:52.27 | raf256 | GPG error: ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 010908312D230C5F Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2006)[...] |
| 13:52.28 | coolpix | re |
| 13:52.45 | Babbelaar | one reiser4 and one NFS |
| 13:52.48 | NiXaRLiOzGuR | http://www.niksar-bld.gov.tr |
| 13:52.54 | abrotman | i think philly would be a pretty nice place to have it .. we've got zoo/baseball/aquarium/art museum/franklin institute ... and good eats! |
| 13:53.03 | Babbelaar | so if i write there the changes will go to both drives |
| 13:53.04 | kevix | Babbelaar: how would you know how to address either one? |
| 13:53.20 | abrotman | NiXaRLiOzGuR: if i click on that .. will i have to get you banned from the channel ? |
| 13:53.21 | Babbelaar | i always want to adress both |
| 13:53.38 | NiXaRLiOzGuR | abrotman ok kanki |
| 13:53.42 | raf256 | help |
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| 13:53.55 | raf256 | what is wrong with the signarues keys? something changed in last 3 days? |
| 13:53.59 | Babbelaar | ? |
| 13:54.04 | kevix | Babbelaar: maybe you want 'Raid 1'? |
| 13:54.05 | abrotman | raf256: yes .. they're messed up |
| 13:54.06 | Eulex | Babbelaar, software raid? |
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| 13:54.12 | Babbelaar | probeply |
| 13:54.14 | Babbelaar | i'll look it up |
| 13:54.19 | nvz | abrotman: we'll have to start our own conference before that happens |
| 13:54.20 | raf256 | abrotman: oh. any description of the problem? |
| 13:54.20 | m4lu6 | i see all forms of netboot installer images are screwed. perfect timing. |
| 13:54.42 | abrotman | nvz: we could serve scrapple!~ |
| 13:54.44 | Eulex | m4lu6, which are you talking about? |
| 13:54.50 | abrotman | raf256: uhm |
| 13:54.53 | kevix | m4lu6: what you dont like boot floppies x-) |
| 13:54.57 | raf256 | what the fuck is wrong :/ is debian.org beeing pwned again, or they just messed up yet another server, after the changelog server? |
| 13:55.04 | Babbelaar | if i put a file in a location i want it to be put in a remote nfs and local reiser4 filesystem |
| 13:55.04 | m4lu6 | Eulex stable. (unstable and testing are equally useless) |
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| 13:55.12 | abrotman | liable was talking about it |
| 13:55.16 | Eulex | m4lu6, why would they be? |
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| 13:55.34 | abrotman | raf256: you know they install that changelog |
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| 13:55.44 | raf256 | month? |
| 13:55.58 | m4lu6 | Eulex *why*? because they are. i have no idea. Because Herr Robinson sucks *$@* by choice?? i have no clue. |
| 13:56.05 | m4lu6 | What I do know, is netboot images are hosed :) |
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| 13:56.08 | nvz | yeah, ok donettes werent very filling I need some food. |
| 13:56.16 | Babbelaar | i'll look up raid one |
| 13:56.18 | gravity | heh, donettes rule |
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| 13:56.36 | kevix | nvz: < /dev/donuts |
| 13:56.39 | nvz | it was the cupon that ammused me. the mentioning of cupon fruad |
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| 13:56.47 | abrotman | m4lu6: why is the sarge netinst useless? and which etch are you using? |
| 13:56.57 | raf256 | debian quality seem to drop recently, at least the hosting part of it |
| 13:57.00 | nvz | what are you in for? oh, cupon fruad |
| 13:57.06 | abrotman | raf256: then don't use it |
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| 13:57.21 | kevix | raf256: they didnt want it back online until it worked... |
| 13:57.32 | nvz | doin hard time in isle 5 |
| 13:57.35 | djp | is it right that smbclient should be installed by default with a debian/gnome install? |
| 13:57.44 | abrotman | djp: it's just a client |
| 13:57.53 | m4lu6 | abrotman i grabbed stable from ftp.debian.org, the whole tree, into my tftpboot dir (not unlike what I've done a few times before); Seems kernel modules are all borked, keep seeing " could not parse modules.dep" error in installer logs. |
| 13:57.55 | abrotman | djp: and it let's nautilus use cifs |
| 13:57.59 | raf256 | kevix: in month I could write entire www server from scratch, enought to host the changelog files via http... but ok |
| 13:58.14 | abrotman | m4lu6: i thought you were using the netinst |
| 13:58.18 | m4lu6 | i am. |
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| 13:58.31 | abrotman | the netinst gets burnt to a CD |
| 13:58.35 | raf256 | abrotman: omg, dont be such a girl, I said it "it suck -> I hope they will fix and improve", not "it sucks -> lets take a breake" |
| 13:58.38 | djp | abrotman, ah ok, i think it maybe something to do with cups. can i ask what i should enter with regards workgroup/client when prompted? |
| 13:58.49 | m4lu6 | abrotman no can doo. |
| 13:58.50 | raf256 | s/take a brake/brake up |
| 13:58.53 | kevix | raf256: their server has to equal 'slashdot effect' not a few hits? |
| 13:58.54 | abrotman | raf256: I'M A FUCKING GIRL?!?! AND YOU'RE WHINING YOU CAN'T FIND A FUCKING CHANGELOG? |
| 13:59.07 | nvz | heh |
| 13:59.11 | abrotman | raf256: they get installed with every pacakge .. stop being a lazy fuck |
| 13:59.21 | m4lu6 | abrotman you ever use the *netboot* installer image? I think you're getting it mixed up with *netinst* CDrom |
| 13:59.23 | abrotman | m4lu6: they make floppies! |
| 13:59.30 | m4lu6 | *sigh* |
| 13:59.34 | abrotman | m4lu6: i said netinst .. not netboot :) |
| 13:59.53 | raf256 | abrotman: I ment to see the changle log BEFORE installing. some call it "lazy" others "beeing effective and value own time" |
| 13:59.54 | m4lu6 | I said netBOOT, way up above. |
| 13:59.55 | jelly-ho | abrotman: note that the fucking changelog wasn't available for a few months. |
| 13:59.58 | abrotman | m4lu6: i tried once on some alphas .. exercise in frustration |
| 14:00.08 | abrotman | raf256: apt-listbugs ? |
| 14:00.18 | abrotman | jelly-ho: i'm aware of that |
| 14:00.20 | m4lu6 | i've installed a good handful of boxes using them. but it seems that the days of netboot are over. |
| 14:00.37 | abrotman | m4lu6: you could of course ask #debian-boot |
| 14:00.51 | m4lu6 | or i could just wait a few days until someone fixes them. |
| 14:00.52 | raf256 | yes, that shows me new bugs.. I really like to see entire changelog before downloading, it was VERY comfortable in Synaptic, before they b0rked the server. I dont see why they didnt let the old one run untill new is ready |
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| 14:01.00 | abrotman | m4lu6: they're sleepy .. might have to wait a bit for an answer |
| 14:01.19 | jelly-ho | raf256: well it's fixed now, isn't it? |
| 14:01.23 | Eulex | raf256, because it was giving them trouble? |
| 14:01.34 | raf256 | it was |
| 14:01.36 | raf256 | it was? |
| 14:01.46 | abrotman | see .. lazy fuck! |
| 14:01.59 | abrotman | didn't even check the website! |
| 14:02.20 | raf256 | abrotman: you use debian? not LFS? you are so lazy! |
| 14:02.33 | abrotman | raf256: but you're a whiny girl! |
| 14:02.35 | raf256 | what, you use mc or krusader, not cp/dir/rm/mv? you ar elazy! |
| 14:02.41 | adii | why can't i find linux-headers-2.6.12-1-686-smp |
| 14:02.45 | abrotman | i don't use mc or KDE krap |
| 14:02.47 | raf256 | adii: coz you are lazy too! |
| 14:02.55 | SerajewelKS | !troll raf256 |
| 14:02.59 | adii | raf256, ain't on any debian ftp :x |
| 14:03.02 | abrotman | raf256: don't abuse people not involved .. |
| 14:03.08 | Eulex | raf256, yes, you ever pondered why they even moved it to another server? the old server was also hosting lots of other stuff, which they deemed more important than pdo. and pdo was using a lot of system resources. |
| 14:03.13 | abrotman | adii: ignore raf256 .. he's whining .. again |
| 14:03.15 | djp | can anyone help me with the configuring of samba server? i am prompted on install to input workgroup/domain name, whether i want to use password encryption or not and whether i want to modify smb.conf to use WINS settings from DHCP? I have a stand-alone desktop machine that uses adsl to connect to the internet. |
| 14:03.27 | abrotman | !tell adii about sdn |
| 14:03.33 | Eulex | adii, because the 2.6.12 kernel images are no more? |
| 14:03.38 | abrotman | adii: there is no 2.6.12 in testing/unstable anymore |
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| 14:04.01 | raf256 | anyway, what is wrong with the PGP keys / some URL explaining the problem? |
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| 14:04.22 | adii | ok but i dunno (yet) how to upgrade my kernel , can i still stick to 2.6.12 or will it cause dependency problem ? |
| 14:04.23 | abrotman | ask an ftp master |
| 14:04.36 | warreng | how do i create packages? and package dependencies and what not? |
| 14:04.40 | abrotman | adii: you should be able for a bit to stick to it |
| 14:04.45 | m4lu6 | hmm. new sopranos tonight? shit. who cares. |
| 14:04.45 | abrotman | !mg |
| 14:04.46 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or maint-guide.en.html in sarge/sid). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or the shorthand for Madagascar |
| 14:04.48 | SerajewelKS | djp: put anything in the workgroup (like "WORKGROUP"), and you don't need the WINS stuff |
| 14:04.52 | kevix | raf256: its a warning so you can ignore it if you want and fix it LATER |
| 14:05.00 | m4lu6 | i can't believe my crappy newspaper actually has it on the front page. what a rag. |
| 14:05.03 | SerajewelKS | djp: you probably want password encryption |
| 14:05.14 | raf256 | kevix: i would rather not install not PGP signed software in my company |
| 14:05.31 | SerajewelKS | raf256: /topic |
| 14:05.34 | abrotman | it wasn't signed before either ... didn't stop you then |
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| 14:05.45 | kevix | raf256: the release file is signed, you dont have the key. the software is not signed. |
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| 14:06.08 | djp | SerajewelKS, thanks |
| 14:06.14 | raf256 | can I download it? simmialry to how we did it on 1.1.2006? |
| 14:06.32 | abrotman | did they revoke they keys? |
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| 14:06.53 | jaari | Is anyone else using courier for IMAP? It seems to have broken during an upgrade this week on my site. It now times out on trying to open mailboxes. |
| 14:07.13 | abrotman | on sarge? |
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| 14:07.52 | jaari | No, unstable. |
| 14:08.06 | abrotman | check the bts? |
| 14:08.07 | w00p | somebody help me |
| 14:08.16 | SerajewelKS | jaari: and why are you using unstable on a production server? |
| 14:08.17 | w00p | mi i810 don't work good on debian sid |
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| 14:08.38 | jaari | Where did I say it was a production server? Please credit me with a bit of sense. |
| 14:08.42 | w00p | i try to run quake2 with "aprq2" but it run with 1fps |
| 14:08.45 | raf256 | ok, do anyone know what actually happened to the keys? they where fine 2 days ago |
| 14:08.45 | w00p | like tuxracer |
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| 14:09.04 | adii | is there a mirror for snapshot.debian.org ? it must be down :x |
| 14:09.08 | SerajewelKS | jaari: sorry, you'd be surprised how many people don't have sense |
| 14:09.17 | raf256 | w00p: there is a nice updated version of quake (some eyecany added), try googling it, it build from source (w0000t) and use OpenGL |
| 14:09.19 | emptty | w00p: looks like you dont have hardware acceleration... |
| 14:09.23 | SerajewelKS | adii: it's snapshots.debian.net |
| 14:09.27 | m4lu6 | praise allah. stable/expert26 netboot works. oy. OY i tell you. |
| 14:09.37 | emptty | w00p: what does glxgear get ? |
| 14:09.45 | w00p | i have direct rendering. and i need de "aprq2" to playonline |
| 14:09.49 | SerajewelKS | adii: err, snapshot.debian.net, and yeh it looks down |
| 14:09.53 | EvilGuru | I am having a problem with nfs on debian (server) |
| 14:09.54 | jaari | I do try to run both so I can find breakages... just this time I'm not certain what broke it. ^^; |
| 14:09.55 | abrotman | glxinfo | grep -i direct |
| 14:09.58 | w00p | the "aq2"binary |
| 14:10.13 | EvilGuru | whenever I try to connect I get mount: RPC: Remote system error - Connection refused |
| 14:10.14 | w00p | direct rendering: Yes |
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| 14:10.51 | MrNaz | . |
| 14:10.56 | abrotman | / |
| 14:10.59 | MrNaz | . |
| 14:12.40 | nvz | ? |
| 14:12.40 | w00p | y try with dri, without dri. xfree, xorg. |
| 14:12.52 | w00p | maybe is a configuration |
| 14:13.07 | nvz | maybe i810 sucks :P |
| 14:13.10 | lee | I have a machine running an ancient unstable (roughly around the time that woody was current) ... how do you suggest I upgrade to the current stable without breaking everything? |
| 14:13.10 | w00p | hahaha |
| 14:13.14 | nvz | I;ve never gotten it to do anything |
| 14:13.22 | abrotman | i have i810 .. works fine |
| 14:13.27 | EvilGuru | anyone able to help me? |
| 14:13.35 | w00p | nvz, yep, but it works good on win |
| 14:13.36 | abrotman | lee: are you serious ? |
| 14:13.55 | lee | abrotman: unfortunately ... |
| 14:14.24 | abrotman | lee: wow .. uhm .. maybe try going from what you have now to oldstable .. then to stable .. then from there whereever? |
| 14:14.32 | abrotman | lee: oldstable == woody |
| 14:14.35 | w00p | abrotman, how fps print to you glxgears? |
| 14:14.41 | abrotman | w00p: 100000 |
| 14:14.45 | w00p | :O |
| 14:14.57 | abrotman | w00p: like .. 600 or 900 or something .. nfc really :) |
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| 14:15.27 | nvz | I couldnt get foobilliard or anything to run on an i810 |
| 14:15.34 | nvz | too damn slow |
| 14:15.39 | w00p | abauer, you have a driver? |
| 14:16.00 | w00p | abrotman, youhave install a driver? |
| 14:16.09 | abrotman | lee: i guess you might be able to skip the oldstable part .. but i think i might do it just to make sure you have all the packages before going to sarge |
| 14:16.19 | lee | abrotman: do you have any idea what trouble I'm likely to encounter, and more importantly how to fix it? =) |
| 14:16.28 | lee | I've never done anything like this before |
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| 14:16.53 | Eulex | !+woody->sarge |
| 14:16.53 | dpkg | First, "apt-get install aptitude". Then edit /etc/apt/sources.list, changing all non-local mentions of "woody" to "sarge". Then, "aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade". consider installing hotplug and discover1 if you're not confident with linux hardware management. see <sarge release notes>, or serious breakage for around 30% of users according to http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/06/msg00006.html |
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| 14:17.04 | abrotman | lee: with woody->sarge .. not too much .. sarge->anything else .. udev is a pile of poo |
| 14:17.15 | nvz | lee: there's always the chance of PEBKAC in those situations.. in which case you replace user, and bang head off keyboard to continue |
| 14:17.19 | cusco | hi... |
| 14:17.28 | adii | hm is there a simple way to upgrade from 2.6.12 to 2.6.15 ? |
| 14:17.54 | cusco | what does my box needs to let phpbb and wordpress and other thingies connect to a remote mysqldb (I don't want to run mysql server on my box) |
| 14:17.56 | abrotman | with apt-get ? :) |
| 14:17.57 | resiak | from a udev point of view, adii? |
| 14:17.58 | w00p | abrotman, you have install a driver 4 i810? |
| 14:18.01 | amee2k | what can i use to decompress .7z archives? |
| 14:18.04 | cusco | but I can never connect some how... |
| 14:18.15 | abrotman | w00p: sure .. but 4 is not a god damned word |
| 14:18.19 | adii | what's that udev resiak ? |
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| 14:18.28 | m4lu6 | !xfs |
| 14:18.28 | dpkg | xfs is, like, the filesystem developed by SGI for high-performance journalling and large disk support. see http://linux-xfs.sgi.com/projects/xfs/ or http://www.lwfug.org/debian/ for xfs deb tools and deb kernels, or far better and more mature than reiserfs, but not as mature (in linux) as ext3. check out http://people.debian.org/~blade/XFS-Install/ if you want to install woody with XFS support, or more ISOs are at http://non-gnu.uvt.nl/pub/debian-xfs/ |
| 14:18.29 | abrotman | it's not a virus! |
| 14:18.34 | Eulex | !7zip |
| 14:18.36 | asg | cusco: php4-mysql. Also, make sure the remote mysql server is listening |
| 14:18.40 | nvz | it is not a tumor |
| 14:18.43 | Eulex | amee2k, 7zip |
| 14:18.52 | m4lu6 | !jfs |
| 14:18.52 | dpkg | [jfs] Journaled File System from IBM, licensed under the GPL. Check http://oss.software.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/jfs/ It improved a lot performance-wise since 2003! Give it an other try... Maybe worth it! |
| 14:18.55 | abrotman | !xfs is also a font server |
| 14:18.55 | dpkg | that's too long, abrotman |
| 14:18.57 | m4lu6 | hmm. |
| 14:18.59 | abrotman | stupid damn bot |
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| 14:19.01 | w00p | abrotman, the XFCom_i810 is XFree, its in the inter webpage., and not work :S |
| 14:19.04 | m4lu6 | haha |
| 14:19.07 | cusco | asg: php4-mysql is already the newest version. |
| 14:19.18 | abrotman | w00p: you're using the intel driver instead of the one in xorg ? |
| 14:19.24 | m4lu6 | abrotman yeah. I'm toying around with XFS for a 1.2tb software raid |
| 14:19.26 | nvz | I can just picture him sitting in the hospital arguing witha surgeon |
| 14:19.27 | cusco | how can I test if the remote mysql serve is listening for outcominc connections |
| 14:19.29 | Eulex | m4lu6, if you like dpkg that much, please talk to him in private ;P |
| 14:19.32 | asg | cusco: then verify that the remote is listening on an interface; by default Debian's mysqlds listen on localhost honly. |
| 14:19.32 | amee2k | i know but apt-cache search 7zip and 7z return nothing |
| 14:19.33 | cusco | other then localhost |
| 14:19.35 | m4lu6 | it'll store big big files. |
| 14:19.38 | w00p | abrotman, i don't have any driver |
| 14:19.39 | asg | cusco: telnet <remote> 3306 |
| 14:19.41 | warreng | anybody know if there's debian packages for apache 2.2 that are built with glibc2.3.2 (and not 2.3.5) ? |
| 14:19.48 | resiak | adii: udev is a dynamic /dev/ manager thingamy which tends to cry and scream at kernel updates. If you're just asking how to upgrade to 2.6.15, the obvious answer is `apt-cache search linux-image-2.6; apt-get install <the one you chose>; shutdown -r now` |
| 14:19.51 | raf256 | how to login to a server from client with GDM? |
| 14:19.54 | abrotman | m4lu6: just get an UPS |
| 14:19.54 | w00p | abrotman, only the xorg. y can't find any driver |
| 14:19.56 | abrotman | !fs comparison |
| 14:19.56 | dpkg | well, filesystem comparison is http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ or http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html |
| 14:19.56 | raf256 | to have full X session? |
| 14:20.06 | abrotman | w00p: it's the i810 driver |
| 14:20.10 | m4lu6 | abrotman eh? |
| 14:20.20 | phm4 | Hello, I am really confused with the installation options. Does the boot option linux26 install a stable system? |
| 14:20.24 | w00p | abrotman, oh. in the xorg.conf have driver = i810 |
| 14:20.24 | jelly-ho | m4lu6: fwiw, i use ext3 with custom inode count for our 1.5TB backup staging area. |
| 14:20.32 | SerajewelKS | phm4: yes, with a 2.6 kernel |
| 14:20.33 | asg | phm4: yes, it just uses a 2.6 kernel instead of the default 2.4 one |
| 14:20.33 | resiak | dpkg: jfs ~= s/an other/another/ |
| 14:20.39 | resiak | dpkg: jfs =~ s/an other/another/ |
| 14:20.39 | dpkg | OK, resiak |
| 14:20.48 | abrotman | m4lu6: there's an issue with xfs/reiser .. no ups .. journal gets fucked or something .. read the linuxmafia reiser article |
| 14:20.48 | asg | !suck resiak |
| 14:20.50 | abrotman | !fs comparison |
| 14:20.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, filesystem comparison is http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ or http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html |
| 14:20.54 | phm4 | SerajewelKS: thank you |
| 14:21.11 | phm4 | asg: thank you - and is it stable or testing ? |
| 14:21.13 | resiak | m4lu6: for what it's worth, I've never had a problem with my XFS system randomly dying |
| 14:21.15 | w00p | abrotman, oh. in the xorg.conf have driver = i810. http://w00p.servebeer.com/xorg.conf this is my xorg.conf |
| 14:21.20 | m4lu6 | abrotman ahhh. well, good thing i have a UPS, then :) i live in florida. It'd be stupid not to have my coffee machine on a UPS. |
| 14:21.23 | asg | phm4: if you have the stable installer, then stable. |
| 14:21.33 | phm4 | asg: thank you |
| 14:21.36 | asg | phm4: you're welcome |
| 14:21.39 | resiak | m4lu6: (that is, nothing's ever been fucked after my system which has XFS randomly dies because of a power cut --- it's been checked at mount time, and then works) |
| 14:21.49 | abrotman | m4lu6: uh .. yeah :) |
| 14:21.52 | resiak | m4lu6: but you probably want a UPS anyway, because UPSes for the win |
| 14:21.59 | resiak | and you already have one, so you're fine :) |
| 14:22.06 | m4lu6 | i have 4 |
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| 14:22.23 | resiak | ,can I have one? |
| 14:22.31 | abrotman | w00p: it's in spanish! |
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| 14:22.56 | ludwig_ | Hallo! |
| 14:23.14 | w00p | abrotman, ? what is in spanish? |
| 14:23.17 | ludwig_ | Where can I ask for assistence in programming? |
| 14:23.19 | m4lu6 | opinion time: This 1.2tb raid0 (don't say it(!)) will be used to store as many 5-8 gigabyte mpeg2 files (dvd rips) as i can fit. |
| 14:23.26 | abrotman | w00p: i can paste mine for you if you want |
| 14:23.28 | asg | ludwig_: which language? |
| 14:23.29 | m4lu6 | They will be accessed very seldomly. |
| 14:23.46 | m4lu6 | Ext2, Ext3? Other? do i really even *want* a journal on these? (probably not) |
| 14:23.52 | ludwig_ | asg, Pascal, programming of the Timer-Interrupt |
| 14:23.52 | w00p | abrotman, ok!! paste in pastebin.com plz? |
| 14:24.11 | resiak | (does he have to? Can't he paste it somewhere else?) |
| 14:24.16 | asg | ludwig_: #pascal |
| 14:24.23 | ludwig_ | asg, thx, I will try |
| 14:24.31 | abrotman | w00p: http://pastebin.ca/45347 |
| 14:24.41 | w00p | abrotman, ok, letme see |
| 14:24.46 | asg | ludwig_: also, there may be mailing lists and there's always Usenet (comp.os.lang.pascal) |
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| 14:24.59 | abrotman | w00p: granted .. mine is a laptop |
| 14:25.01 | ludwig_ | asg, OK |
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| 14:25.18 | corrideat | Hi w00p |
| 14:25.25 | abrotman | ludwig_: i can sell you my book from 1952? :) |
| 14:25.27 | w00p | hi corrideat |
| 14:25.30 | amee2k | !7-zip |
| 14:25.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, 7-zip is a LGPL file archiver with high compression ratio that only runs on Redmond. Ports to other platforms are in the version 5 roadmap. reference implementation for the 7z format, or http://7-zip.org, or ask me about p7zip |
| 14:25.33 | m4lu6 | curses. I wish I could get this 4th 400MB deathstar drive in this array, but i'm out of power plugs :( |
| 14:25.45 | abrotman | splice! |
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| 14:26.24 | abrotman | sadly .. i do have a pascal book somewhere .. and Ada .. and cobol and rpg ... i'm feeling old now . |
| 14:26.26 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i'm considering writing a vfat defragger |
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| 14:26.38 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: why? |
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| 14:26.43 | jelly-ho | m4lu6: dunno. any of two, but cut the inode number and don't forget -O sparse_super (or is it default nowadays?), so as to minimize fsck time should you have power lossage or other crashes. |
| 14:27.12 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: because my vfat partition is fragmented, and i don't want to reboot to windows to defragment ~200gb worth of data? |
| 14:27.33 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: why do you think they invented wine? |
| 14:27.58 | ludwig_ | abrotman, no, thx :-) I want to have a 90kHz signal on a standard-PC and a normal interrupt ... BIOS INT 0x15, function 0x86 (delay in us) conflicts with the Interrupt-Handler for the Timer ... So I wanted to program the RTC |
| 14:28.02 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: the hell, you think i'm going to run a program under wine that needs access to /dev/hd*? |
| 14:28.08 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i'd need to run wine as root, first of all |
| 14:28.12 | w00p | abrotman, your config is like my config. i don't understand :( my intel don't work fine |
| 14:28.15 | yonkeltron | OT: any engineering folks in here? |
| 14:28.33 | SerajewelKS | yonkeltron: not only is that OT, it's not a valid question |
| 14:28.50 | abrotman | ludwig_: uhm .. in pascal ? |
| 14:29.03 | abrotman | w00p: do you have /dev/agpgart ? |
| 14:29.13 | yonkeltron | SerajewelKS: oh. why is it not even valid? |
| 14:29.18 | SerajewelKS | !tell yonkeltron about poll |
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| 14:29.23 | jelly-ho | SerajewelKS: why would you need root, just give write access to that partition? |
| 14:29.29 | ludwig_ | abrotman, personally, I would prefer C, but it has to be in Pascal ... |
| 14:29.39 | w00p | abrotman, yes, i have agpgart |
| 14:29.50 | SerajewelKS | jelly-ho: wait, you're suggesting i chgrp/chown on a /dev/hd* ? |
| 14:29.54 | jelly-ho | ... not that I think a defragger would work under wine. |
| 14:30.04 | jelly-ho | SerajewelKS: yes. |
| 14:30.08 | yonkeltron | SerajewelKS: that's chin. i get asked judaism questions all the time in here |
| 14:30.12 | dvs | jelly-ho: That's a bad idea |
| 14:30.13 | w00p | Linux agpgart interface v0.101 (c) Dave Jones |
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| 14:30.14 | w00p | agpgart: Detected an Intel i810 E Chipset. |
| 14:30.14 | w00p | agpgart: AGP aperture is 64M @ 0x44000000 |
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| 14:30.20 | jelly-ho | SerajewelKS: not *, just your vfat partition. |
| 14:30.20 | abrotman | ludwig_: that's just odd |
| 14:30.23 | ludwig_ | abrotman, the problem I have now, is that I can not take over INT8 (Timer for system applications) as the system crashes ... |
| 14:30.35 | SerajewelKS | yonkeltron: like i said, you can ask a question. "is anyone ___" is a poll, not a question. |
| 14:30.43 | SerajewelKS | jelly-ho: well, yes, of course |
| 14:30.53 | abrotman | yonkeltron: you're jewish?!?! |
| 14:31.09 | m4lu6 | i've been talked into it. |
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| 14:31.17 | yonkeltron | SerajewelKS: ok then.....let me think of a way to ask this again |
| 14:31.32 | SerajewelKS | yonkeltron: generally if your question starts "is anyone" or "does anyone", nobody is going to answer |
| 14:31.38 | ludwig_ | abrotman, while when taking INT 1C, I get the time going 5100 times faster (INT8 updates the time) and after a while the system gets confused ... |
| 14:31.44 | abrotman | w00p: i'm stumped .. try dri.sf.net for troubleshooting docs .. or #dri |
| 14:31.56 | yonkeltron | abrotman: yes. i am a jew. so are you. silly man |
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| 14:32.03 | gravity | word |
| 14:32.03 | w00p | abrotman, ok, thans for your help |
| 14:32.08 | ludwig_ | abrotman, it is odd, but what should I do? |
| 14:32.12 | abrotman | ludwig_: hrm .. i haven't used pascal in .. oh crap .. how old am i ... |
| 14:32.25 | abrotman | 13 years? |
| 14:32.36 | resiak | you're 13?! |
| 14:32.43 | abrotman | w00p: the docs at dri.sf.net .. they're decent |
| 14:32.49 | gravity | pacal@birth |
| 14:32.51 | dvs | resiak: he was born a Pascal programmer. ;-) |
| 14:32.54 | resiak | hehe |
| 14:33.00 | abrotman | resiak: tht's really why i can't go to DC6 .. i'm 13 .. |
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| 14:33.18 | abrotman | yonkeltron: yes .. but you practice .. i don't |
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| 14:33.32 | resiak | abrotman: but you drink beer! |
| 14:33.33 | abrotman | yonkeltron: though i am going to MA for passover .. my first in like 10+ years |
| 14:33.37 | changedepseudo | ~[1 |
| 14:33.40 | gravity | resiak: He's precocious |
| 14:33.41 | ludwig_ | abrotman, this is the first time I use Pascal (at school some playing around with writeln - nothing special) ... |
| 14:33.47 | blondie | whats passover |
| 14:33.48 | resiak | gravity: he's a symptom of today's youth |
| 14:33.50 | jelly-ho | SerajewelKS: but windows defragmenters use some NT API to do their job on the fly and I suspect these would not be implemented in Wine. Maybe a DOS-based utility would work under dosemu or something like that. |
| 14:33.50 | abrotman | resiak: my mom has a picture of me at 2 years drinking from a beer can |
| 14:33.54 | resiak | blondie: Google is your friend |
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| 14:33.54 | yonkeltron | what are the engineering diagrams that describe what to do with certain parts? like the ones found on cookingforengineers.com |
| 14:34.01 | ludwig_ | abrotman, we have to implement a I2C driver using Pascal ... |
| 14:34.11 | abrotman | ludwig_: that's just fugly .. |
| 14:34.17 | dvs | abrotman: that explains a lot. ;-) |
| 14:34.26 | abrotman | i should get that picture :) |
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| 14:34.47 | abrotman | yonkeltron: flow charts? |
| 14:35.03 | yonkeltron | abrotman: well take it easy at seder...http://www.flickr.com/photos/yonkeltron/100211834/ |
| 14:35.07 | ludwig_ | abrotman, is "fugly" a typing error meaning "ugly" or is it worse? |
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| 14:35.12 | jbrimble | hey, will a net install of Debian detect my wireless network for the installation? |
| 14:35.16 | yonkeltron | abrotman: not flowcharts |
| 14:35.20 | resiak | ludwig_: fucking ugly |
| 14:35.22 | yonkeltron | ludwig_: fucking ugly |
| 14:35.32 | ludwig_ | OK, thx for explaination |
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| 14:35.33 | jbrimble | ludwig_: fucking ugly |
| 14:35.34 | abrotman | yonkeltron: http://www.cookingforengineers.com/article.php?id=168 .. you mean the tables at the bottom ? |
| 14:35.42 | yonkeltron | abrotman: yes |
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| 14:36.01 | abrotman | yonkeltron: nice picture :) |
| 14:36.12 | abrotman | yonkeltron: i'm not aware of them having a name .. but i'm not an engineer |
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| 14:36.37 | jbrimble | sorry, can someone answer my question please? |
| 14:36.43 | abrotman | ludwig_: i think there's a #programming .. but i'm not sure how much help they'd be |
| 14:36.56 | abrotman | jbrimble: depends on the card |
| 14:36.59 | yonkeltron | abrotman: i was wondering if there were any engineers who might know but i got a new poopenschaft for it.... |
| 14:37.14 | abrotman | who huh ? |
| 14:37.24 | michaelw | anybody present from .hu who could lend me a hand for a moment? |
| 14:37.34 | jbrimble | but what about configuring WEP, is that available during the default net install of Debian? |
| 14:37.38 | yonkeltron | michaelw: servos! |
| 14:37.50 | yonkeltron | michaelw: and that is the extent of my hungarian |
| 14:38.16 | abrotman | jbrimble: the install guide doesn't say? |
| 14:38.20 | michaelw | that's not good enough, i'm afraid. but thanks anyway :) |
| 14:38.30 | abrotman | !hu |
| 14:38.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, hu is Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a #debian.hu -t. |
| 14:38.43 | michaelw | oh, goodie |
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| 14:39.09 | yonkeltron | !he |
| 14:39.09 | dpkg | hmm... he is alone in the house left to him by the death of his parents, even though he's only feet away from the sister he's always been much closer than to anyone else. From his hidden room, he views life through concealed video cameras. Life is only real to him when he sees it on a monitor, and on most of those monitors is his sister. |
| 14:39.18 | yonkeltron | that was lame |
| 14:39.26 | resiak | !ha |
| 14:39.26 | dpkg | it has been said that ha is High Availability |
| 14:39.26 | yonkeltron | hu got stuff in hungarian |
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| 14:39.36 | yonkeltron | !il |
| 14:39.36 | dpkg | rumour has it, il is Israel, home of some truly great people |
| 14:39.37 | brosioz | anyone using tftpd ? |
| 14:39.45 | yonkeltron | i like that one much better! |
| 14:39.48 | abrotman | not again ... |
| 14:39.48 | yonkeltron | !chin |
| 14:39.49 | brosioz | it's doesn't starts... the directory is readable/writable |
| 14:39.50 | SerajewelKS | !tell brosioz about poll |
| 14:40.03 | brosioz | but i don't get any listen ports |
| 14:40.08 | SerajewelKS | !sunday |
| 14:40.08 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
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| 14:40.19 | resiak | dpkg: chin is http://chin.lugradio.org |
| 14:40.19 | dpkg | okay, resiak |
| 14:40.22 | abrotman | atftpd is supposedly quite good |
| 14:40.32 | brosioz | !tell SerajewelKS about poll |
| 14:40.34 | yonkeltron | brosioz: don't get upset. it's tonight's initiation ritual |
| 14:40.52 | yonkeltron | SerajewelKS: i'm not a freak. i'm a very nice man. but i am out of my mind |
| 14:40.56 | SerajewelKS | brosioz: please don't do that |
| 14:41.01 | yonkeltron | !chin |
| 14:41.01 | dpkg | chin is probably http://chin.lugradio.org |
| 14:41.03 | abrotman | yonkeltron: over charts ? |
| 14:41.18 | yonkeltron | abrotman: maybe...i've been googleing all night |
| 14:41.22 | abrotman | maybe resiak knows the name! |
| 14:41.31 | resiak | he might do |
| 14:41.40 | abrotman | resiak: http://www.cookingforengineers.com/article.php?id=168 .. name of the chart type at the bottom! |
| 14:41.50 | yonkeltron | resiak: know the name for those crazy charts ^ |
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| 14:42.32 | asg | !tell w00p about away |
| 14:42.37 | abrotman | !tell w00p about away |
| 14:42.47 | abrotman | !tell asg about repeat! |
| 14:42.50 | resiak | yonkeltron: I'll ask my engineer friends |
| 14:42.54 | yonkeltron | !tell dpkg about away |
| 14:42.54 | asg | abrotman: blow me, mine was first :p |
| 14:42.57 | w00p | jajaja |
| 14:43.00 | w00p | sorry :P |
| 14:43.00 | abrotman | asg: laglaglag! |
| 14:43.04 | asg | abrotman: nyet |
| 14:43.15 | abrotman | !blame lag |
| 14:43.16 | raf256` | I cant get ssh -X to work |
| 14:43.20 | raf256` | what might be wrong? |
| 14:43.22 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 14:43.22 | dpkg | well, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 14:43.25 | asg | raf256`: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 14:43.39 | streuner | !tell tarzeau about repeat |
| 14:43.41 | streuner | *duck* |
| 14:43.49 | amee2k | something slows my sftp performance down to about 450k/s but i can't find the bottleneck. (CPU load below 15% on both systems, no further disk activity, 100 MBps link) any ideas where to look? |
| 14:44.09 | asg | amee2k: check for a duplex mismatch |
| 14:44.31 | amee2k | 'duplex mismatch'? |
| 14:44.32 | streuner | tarzeau: does the box finally work? |
| 14:44.43 | yonkeltron | asg: die lagenschiese is nicht gut fur das msesagenracen |
| 14:44.59 | abrotman | amee2k: NIC buffer full ? |
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| 14:45.15 | tarzeau | streuner: no sound still, and no quickcam |
| 14:45.19 | asg | amee2k: i.e., you have 100M half on one side and 100M full on the other. |
| 14:45.20 | amee2k | how can i check that? |
| 14:45.22 | tarzeau | streuner: but opengl and 2.6.15.6 works |
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| 14:45.25 | asg | amee2k: mii-tool, mii-diag |
| 14:45.34 | streuner | tarzeau: what chipset? |
| 14:45.42 | vin` | tarzeau: got a new machine, no sound here too. |
| 14:45.45 | tarzeau | streuner: some very new nvidia stuff |
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| 14:45.58 | tarzeau | vin`: it's to do with pci_ids.h in linux kernel |
| 14:45.58 | streuner | tarzeau: get a emu10k1 |
| 14:46.07 | tarzeau | vin`: tried 2.6.15*rc stuff yet? |
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| 14:46.16 | nico8481 | hi |
| 14:46.19 | streuner | tarzeau: second hand about 10 bucks, new about 10-15 |
| 14:46.21 | tarzeau | streuner: i got a real network card already... |
| 14:46.29 | abrotman | sound is overrated .. get a morse code transmitter! |
| 14:46.30 | tarzeau | streuner: i've got a tv card, don't work yet either |
| 14:46.31 | streuner | nah, i talked about sound |
| 14:46.36 | tarzeau | streuner: not enought pci slots? |
| 14:46.36 | resiak | yonkeltron: the guy does eng at Imperial College, and doesn't sodding know. useless |
| 14:46.36 | vin` | tarzeau: thought I'll try a 686 kernel first. |
| 14:46.51 | tarzeau | vin`: of debian? in sid? |
| 14:46.51 | yonkeltron | resiak: chin |
| 14:46.52 | asg | abrotman: rmmod pcspkr |
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| 14:47.00 | streuner | tarzeau: jaja, those cheap new mobos sucks |
| 14:47.00 | yonkeltron | resiak: tell him he's a panda-face |
| 14:47.00 | tarzeau | vin`: i built my own with make-kpkg , k7 one |
| 14:47.04 | amee2k | mii-tool shows "negotiated 100baseTx-FD flo-control, link ok", but even with -v nothing about a buffer status |
| 14:47.06 | yonkeltron | resiak: had he even seen them before? |
| 14:47.22 | abrotman | asg: my sound works |
| 14:47.34 | asg | amee2k: if you are plugged into a switch, verify the switch port is also 100 Full. |
| 14:47.41 | streuner | tarzeau: so what chipset (sound)? |
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| 14:47.45 | asg | abrotman: so does mine |
| 14:47.50 | tarzeau | streuner: nvidia |
| 14:47.51 | abrotman | yonkeltron: wouldn't it be easier to ask a prof :) |
| 14:47.55 | vin` | tarzeau: yes, 15-1-686, everything else works, just the sound. |
| 14:48.05 | yonkeltron | abrotman: dude. i got to evergreen. |
| 14:48.09 | amee2k | both ports on the switch are at 100. with normal ftp i can easily get 8 or 9 MB/s |
| 14:48.11 | tarzeau | streuner: 0000:00:10.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2) |
| 14:48.21 | abrotman | yonkeltron: you're green? |
| 14:48.27 | abrotman | oh .. go to |
| 14:48.33 | streuner | tarzeau: what does kmuto's HCL say about? |
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| 14:48.39 | yonkeltron | abrotman: http://www.evergreen.edu |
| 14:48.41 | tarzeau | streuner: no idea, what's HCL? |
| 14:48.46 | abrotman | yonkeltron: yeah .. i forgot :) |
| 14:48.48 | vin` | and mine, 0000:00:1b.0 0403: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04) |
| 14:48.49 | streuner | !driver locator |
| 14:48.49 | dpkg | well, driver locator is http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ will tell you what drivers you need if your computer has PCI |
| 14:48.54 | blondie | hydrochloride |
| 14:48.58 | yonkeltron | !evergree |
| 14:49.00 | vin` | why would this be difficult? |
| 14:49.04 | yonkeltron | !evergreen |
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| 14:49.09 | yonkeltron | !TESC |
| 14:49.11 | yonkeltron | dammit |
| 14:49.14 | yonkeltron | nada |
| 14:49.25 | vin` | yonkeltron: /msg the bot |
| 14:49.39 | abrotman | yonkeltron: did you try #math or #maths .. whatever it is |
| 14:49.39 | yonkeltron | vin`: yeah....at some pint |
| 14:49.47 | yonkeltron | abrotman: #math...good idea |
| 14:50.01 | abrotman | yonkeltron: yeah .. see .. i have those once a week .. i just wasted it on you! |
| 14:50.05 | raf256` | asg: hmm |
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| 14:50.22 | yonkeltron | abrotman: these things happen |
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| 14:50.58 | k31th | anyone one running xen ? |
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| 14:51.34 | raf256` | asg: I do as "sshx" factipid, but it dont work |
| 14:51.41 | raf256` | on ssh -X after connection it reports |
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| 14:52.22 | raf256` | asg: oh, it works. I had resete .Xauthority and .ICEauthroity |
| 14:52.43 | dooglus | when I play music with beep-media-player, it stops at random points. any idea why? |
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| 14:54.57 | tarzeau | dooglus: what if you play with something else? |
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| 14:55.55 | dooglus | tarzeau: it's hard to tell. it only stops at random - after 20 minutes, or an hour, or whatever. |
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| 14:56.05 | dooglus | tarzeau: what would you suggest I try using? |
| 14:56.06 | streuner | tarzeau: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/wiki/index.cgi?pci%3Aa8n-vm |
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| 14:56.35 | dooglus | tarzeau: I've managed to watch a 2-hour movie all the way through without the sound cutting out (using mplayer-nogui) |
| 14:56.41 | tarzeau | dooglus: opencubicplayer |
| 14:56.56 | streuner | tarzeau: the sound is 'snd-hda-intel' |
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| 14:56.59 | tarzeau | dooglus: very strange, never heard about something like that |
| 14:57.07 | tarzeau | streuner: ahhh but it fails to load, want error msg? |
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| 14:57.24 | abrotman | yonkeltron: did they know? |
| 14:57.26 | Oryn | tarzeau: is that based on the pascal cubicplayer that was about for dos a few years ago? |
| 14:57.29 | yonkeltron | abrotman: chin |
| 14:57.31 | vin` | streuner: thats mine too, loads, won't work. |
| 14:57.58 | dooglus | tarzeau: since I installed debian (3 days, maybe?) every time I've tried playing a CD's worth of mp3 files, it hasn't go to the end. |
| 14:58.11 | dooglus | tarzeau: I'll try *cubic* and see how that goes. |
| 14:58.16 | abrotman | yonkeltron: nose ? |
| 14:58.29 | tarzeau | dooglus: nice |
| 14:58.33 | tarzeau | Oryn: yes, it's a port of it :) |
| 14:58.41 | dooglus | tarzeau: I didn't have the same problem on ubuntu (but then again on ubuntu I was using a different sound server I guess) |
| 14:58.42 | tarzeau | Oryn: #ocp i've got the latest one packaged, but not uploaded yet |
| 14:58.44 | yonkeltron | !tell abrotman about chin |
| 14:58.48 | tarzeau | Oryn: it's great! |
| 14:58.58 | abrotman | right . ok |
| 14:59.10 | dooglus | tarzeau: I don't really understand sound on linux, but in ubuntu I think it used /dev/dsp, whereas on debian I don't have a /dev/dsp device |
| 14:59.33 | dooglus | on debian I'm using output_plugin=/usr/lib/bmp/Output/libALSA.so for bmp |
| 14:59.35 | Oryn | tarzeau: that was one very cool prog, with seriously amazing fast visualisations all done in text mode |
| 15:00.07 | tarzeau | Oryn: it still is, on linux! |
| 15:00.19 | tarzeau | Oryn: really give it a try, it has some uniq fantastic features, no other player has |
| 15:00.19 | streuner | tarzeau: How about to write the maintainer of this module? |
| 15:00.33 | Oryn | tarzeau: cool I'm apt-getting it now :) |
| 15:02.14 | tarzeau | Oryn: and it plays sid! adlib tunes! mp3! ogg! specturam analyzer and faster/slower playback, and pitch tunig |
| 15:02.14 | dooglus | tarzeau: ocp shows pretty ascii graphics, but doesn't make any sound... |
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| 15:02.40 | dooglus | tarzeau: could that be because I don't have a device /dev/dsp? |
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| 15:02.43 | tarzeau | dooglus: it should. i386? alsa? 2.4 or 2.6 kernel? |
| 15:02.50 | tarzeau | dooglus: maybe, why don't you have /dev/dsp ? |
| 15:02.53 | dooglus | tarzeau: i386, alsa, 2.6 |
| 15:03.05 | dooglus | tarzeau: I don't know. I just don't. do I need to load a module or something? |
| 15:03.28 | dooglus | !dsp |
| 15:03.28 | dpkg | [dsp] (Digital Signal Processor) A DSP is a microprocessor designed to work with analog signals such as video or audio that have been digitally encoded. The DSP then takes these digital representations and performs operations on them. DSPs are used in video, sound, and modem technology. Intel's MMX instruction set is basically an attempt to make the Pentium processor line capable of DSP operations. This follows Intel's theory of putting all the ... |
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| 15:03.38 | tarzeau | dooglus: no idea, cd /dev, MAKEDEV dsp ? |
| 15:04.28 | yonkeltron | tarzeau: that won't work i don't think |
| 15:04.28 | dooglus | tarzeau: .udevdb presence implies active udev. Aborting MAKEDEV invocation. |
| 15:04.38 | yonkeltron | dooglus: what soundcard? |
| 15:04.39 | tarzeau | ahhh udev... |
| 15:04.44 | yonkeltron | oh |
| 15:04.47 | yonkeltron | udev |
| 15:04.55 | dooglus | yonkeltron: 0000:00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Sound Controller (rev a0) |
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| 15:05.24 | streuner | tarzeau: are you sure that's the right module? |
| 15:05.25 | cello_rasp | hi, is debian available for RISC archs? Acorn computers etc |
| 15:05.31 | tarzeau | streuner: nope |
| 15:05.37 | streuner | hm |
| 15:06.04 | GFDL | cello_rasp, I think MIPS is a RISC arch, and it's supported... |
| 15:06.13 | hyksos | hi, when i connect with ssh -X to pc2, then set export DISPLAY=pc2:0.0 and then e.g. open xclock, xclock pops up on pc2's monitor, not on pc1 from where i started the ssh -X session? if i use export DISPLAY=pc1:0.0 i get back Cant open display? what do i wrong? |
| 15:06.26 | yonkeltron | dooglus: http://www.google.com/search?q=+Multimedia+audio+controller%3A+Silicon+Integrated+Systems+%5BSiS%5D+Sound+Controller&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official |
| 15:06.44 | vin` | cello_rasp: /msg dpkg ports |
| 15:06.50 | cello_rasp | hahah i knew i had seen that name somewhere |
| 15:07.24 | GFDL | hyksos, that's because you made a mistake and set DISPLAY to the wrong value |
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| 15:07.35 | hyksos | GFDL :whats the right? |
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| 15:08.06 | streuner | tarzeau: " |
| 15:08.14 | streuner | sorry |
| 15:08.35 | cahoot | hyksos: don't set it at all |
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| 15:09.03 | hyksos | cahoot :then i also cant oopen display get back |
| 15:09.33 | hyksos | canot: if i set it to DISPLAY=:0.0 it also pops up xclock on pc2's monitor |
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| 15:09.49 | k31th | Wat is tls ? |
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| 15:10.40 | oohlaf | Hi, which package makes python2.4 available as just python? |
| 15:10.44 | abrotman | !tls |
| 15:10.44 | dpkg | hmm... tls is Transport Layer Security (ssl), or Thread-Local Storage, or in polish, TrzyLiterowy Skrot, translated to ThreeLetter Acronym |
| 15:10.49 | oohlaf | Am installing python2.4 in a clean chroot of sarge |
| 15:10.54 | abrotman | you don't want that |
| 15:10.57 | cahoot | hyksos: what if you don't fiddles with DISPLAY at all? |
| 15:11.05 | abrotman | many tools rely on the python in sarge being 2.3 |
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| 15:11.12 | hyksos | cahoot :what do you mean? |
| 15:11.29 | GFDL | cahoot, care to explain how should work a ssh X tunnel without setting DISPLAY at all, thanks |
| 15:11.39 | abrotman | !sshx |
| 15:11.40 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sshx is Enable X11Forwarding **on the server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
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| 15:11.56 | cahoot | GFDL: ^ |
| 15:11.57 | oohlaf | I just want to compile a package, thats all, and that package wants python2.4 |
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| 15:12.14 | hyksos | ssh -X doesnt need the Xserver, but i have it running on pc2, how can i connect to it? |
| 15:12.21 | GFDL | uh |
| 15:12.23 | pipeline | cello_rasp: Acorn uses ARM; you'll want the Debian ARM port. |
| 15:12.29 | abrotman | oohlaf: change the software to use python2.4 . |
| 15:13.17 | oohlaf | duh ofcourse, I can just modify the #! |
| 15:13.18 | cello_rasp | neat, pipeline. god only knows if the archimedes family can even handle icewm |
| 15:13.20 | oohlaf | thanks |
| 15:13.34 | jelly-ho | abrotman: the same could (be|have been) applied to "many tools" to explicitely use python2.3, too. |
| 15:13.54 | hyksos | if i run 2 xservers on pc1 (vt7 and vt10) vt10 also logs into localhost, how can i do it, that it logs graphically into pc2 ? |
| 15:14.00 | abrotman | jelly-ho: i suppose so .. but they didn't .. bastards! |
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| 15:16.25 | jelly-ho | hyksos: do you want to log in to pc2, or just be able to run an X program from it, or do you want to attach to an exiting X session running on pc2? |
| 15:16.37 | jelly-ho | s/exiting/existing/ |
| 15:16.55 | GFDL | he just wants to start a program, say xclock in pc2 and see the window of the clock in pc1 |
| 15:17.14 | GFDL | right? |
| 15:17.27 | k31th | right im following a guide it says the following debootstrap sarge /mnt <debianserver of your choice> |
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| 15:17.34 | hyksos | jelly-ho : best learn it all, do you know one variant? |
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| 15:17.57 | nvz | GFDL: see first if synergy is what you want before trying to do things the hard way |
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| 15:18.14 | jelly-ho | hyksos: if you just want to run a program for X, /msg dpkg sshx |
| 15:18.20 | k31th | Do i need to write debootstrap sarge /mnt myservername ?? |
| 15:18.42 | Oryn | tarzeau: pity its not got native alsa support :( |
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| 15:19.23 | tarzeau | Oryn: well, i think it does. with the new version here: |
| 15:19.31 | GFDL | I don't want synergy |
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| 15:19.50 | tarzeau | Oryn: http://io.debian.net/~tar/debian/ocp/rc5b/ , rebuild the source (that's a kfreebsd binary) |
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| 15:20.23 | hyksos | jelly-ho :that what msg said, wont work |
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| 15:21.37 | jelly-ho | hyksos: works here! I open a terminal (on pc1), do ssh -X pc2, and can run programs from pc2 then. |
| 15:21.50 | hyksos | ssh -X isnt running xauth automatically, because theres no DISPLAY var set after connecting |
| 15:22.03 | hyksos | jelly-ho :hmm |
| 15:22.04 | jelly-ho | hyksos: did you restart sshd on pc2 after changing the configuration? |
| 15:22.18 | hyksos | jelly-ho :i will do |
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| 15:23.15 | hyksos | jelly-ho :nothing changed; cant open display |
| 15:23.21 | hyksos | and no DISPLAY is set |
| 15:23.25 | jelly-ho | hyksos: do have DISPLAY set locally? |
| 15:23.33 | GFDL | I wouldn't surprise me that what the msg says doesn't work, nobody tests that stuff |
| 15:23.45 | hyksos | jelly-ho :before ssh connection? |
| 15:23.50 | jelly-ho | hyksos: yes. |
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| 15:24.16 | hyksos | jelly-ho :yes, on :0.0 |
| 15:24.21 | jelly-ho | good |
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| 15:24.40 | hyksos | jelly-ho :should i unset it or change it to other pc's display |
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| 15:24.59 | rapi | hello |
| 15:25.06 | jelly-ho | hyksos: no. don't change anything. |
| 15:25.29 | rapi | someone used videolan on etch? |
| 15:25.32 | hyksos | jelly-ho :but then nothing will work :) |
| 15:25.48 | jelly-ho | hyksos: it works locally now, doesn't it? |
| 15:25.49 | GFDL | hyksos, just do what the message says without thinking, it should work *sigh* |
| 15:25.57 | hyksos | jelly-ho :no why? |
| 15:26.13 | jelly-ho | hyksos: wtf? do local X programs work? |
| 15:26.21 | hyksos | jelly-ho :yes |
| 15:26.53 | GFDL | I don't know but can be that the msg forgot some scenario? I mean there are whole HOWTOs with that stuff |
| 15:27.04 | jelly-ho | hyksos: ok. now do ssh -v -X pc2, and take a look if there's a line like "debug1: Requesting X11 forwarding with authentication spoofing." in the output |
| 15:27.22 | michael117 | I have apache running and I am getting the page that says the installation was successful. How can I change the directory that it hosts from? |
| 15:27.36 | yonkeltron | michael117: #apache |
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| 15:28.04 | Babbelaar | okay thisi stupid |
| 15:28.13 | Babbelaar | i lost my root passwaord how am i to proceed? |
| 15:28.15 | yonkeltron | michael117: honestly there are some very bright people in there. |
| 15:28.23 | emad | beardy: hey |
| 15:28.24 | yonkeltron | Babbelaar: oh my goodness |
| 15:28.24 | michael117 | Oh... sry |
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| 15:28.37 | yonkeltron | !tell Babbelaar about chin |
| 15:28.46 | yonkeltron | michael117: don't worry about it. honest mistake :-) |
| 15:28.53 | Eulex | michael117, /etc/apache2/sites-available/default -- uncomment the redirectmatch line |
| 15:28.56 | Eulex | umh |
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| 15:28.59 | Eulex | commant |
| 15:29.03 | hyksos | jelly-ho :no |
| 15:29.12 | michael117 | I'm not used to x-chat and didn't know that there was a apache channel on this server |
| 15:29.13 | hyksos | jelly-ho :not one line like that |
| 15:29.28 | thingfish | commant? |
| 15:29.32 | yonkeltron | michael117: no worries. |
| 15:29.41 | yonkeltron | thingfish: i think it's french.... |
| 15:29.48 | thingfish | oh |
| 15:29.53 | Eulex | s/a// |
| 15:30.00 | Eulex | geh |
| 15:30.06 | Eulex | s/mn/men/ |
| 15:30.28 | Babbelaar | how do i get around the root password |
| 15:30.39 | jelly-ho | hyksos: that means you didn't follow the procedure in sshx correctly. do you have installed xbase-clients on both pc1 and pc2? |
| 15:30.50 | GFDL | the ssh documentation says nothing about disable tcp connections in the X server in order to make X over ssh work |
| 15:30.52 | Eulex | Babbelaar, got sudo setup? |
| 15:30.56 | yonkeltron | hyksos: clever nick |
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| 15:31.02 | TonyStark | hello to everyone |
| 15:31.06 | jelly-ho | GFDL: why should one? |
| 15:31.08 | yonkeltron | Babbelaar: sudo maybe...or fakeroot perhaps |
| 15:31.10 | Babbelaar | no |
| 15:31.16 | yonkeltron | Babbelaar: oy. |
| 15:31.20 | TonyStark | I've done apt-get update, and I get this: W: GPG error: http://ftp.debian.org etch Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 010908312D230C5F Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2006) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 15:31.20 | TonyStark | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:31.29 | Babbelaar | i uninstalled it caz it was a security hazard |
| 15:31.32 | Babbelaar | look where it got me :P |
| 15:31.34 | Eulex | yonkeltron, well, fakeroot surely won't work |
| 15:31.39 | GFDL | jelly-ho, why shouldn't? where does the documentation requires this? |
| 15:31.40 | resiak | !forgotten root password |
| 15:31.45 | resiak | !forgot root password |
| 15:31.47 | resiak | bah |
| 15:31.50 | Eulex | Babbelaar, umh... it's not |
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| 15:31.52 | thingfish | !tell Babbelaar about I forgot root's password |
| 15:31.56 | resiak | that's the one |
| 15:32.03 | yonkeltron | !tell resiak about chin |
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| 15:32.06 | resiak | fucker |
| 15:32.07 | hyksos | jelly-ho :on one pc there will be some packages installed now, e.g. libxssl, perhaps thats it |
| 15:32.08 | yonkeltron | thingfish++ |
| 15:32.10 | thingfish | hehe I had to do a listkeys to find it. |
| 15:32.14 | jelly-ho | GFDL: nowhere... because it's not required? |
| 15:32.31 | thingfish | yonkeltron: ;) |
| 15:32.38 | yonkeltron | TonyStark: etch? |
| 15:32.59 | TonyStark | yonkeltron, yes, etch |
| 15:33.09 | Babbelaar | cant reach any of those |
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| 15:33.16 | resiak | why not? |
| 15:33.21 | yonkeltron | TonyStark: and a second (maybe third) apt-get update didn't fix it? |
| 15:33.27 | yonkeltron | Babbelaar: yeah. why not? |
| 15:33.28 | Babbelaar | i secured it |
| 15:33.34 | yonkeltron | Babbelaar: oh my. |
| 15:33.35 | jelly-ho | GFDL: nothing to stop you from having both ssh X11Forwarding and tcp connections to remote DISPLAY at the same time. Why, does it not work for you? |
| 15:33.43 | yonkeltron | Babbelaar: apt-get install john |
| 15:33.44 | Babbelaar | no one but root can do any of those things |
| 15:33.49 | TonyStark | yonkeltron a second doesn't, maybe a third.. I do try now |
| 15:33.55 | Babbelaar | no one can install things |
| 15:34.22 | jelly-ho | GFDL: I must confess I haven't used a remote DISPLAY in a long time. |
| 15:34.22 | yonkeltron | Babbelaar: so pick up a tarball and run it locally |
| 15:34.28 | michael117 | No one is responding in #apache :-/ |
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| 15:34.40 | Babbelaar | users cannot run make or gcc |
| 15:34.44 | jelly-ho | Babbelaar: do you have physical access to this machine? |
| 15:34.48 | Babbelaar | yea |
| 15:34.55 | TonyStark | yonkeltron, a 4th doesn't do anything... |
| 15:34.56 | yonkeltron | michael117: hang about. also check the docs at http://httpd.apache.org |
| 15:35.00 | yonkeltron | TonyStark: hmmmm |
| 15:35.13 | Babbelaar | reboot in knoppix and change files? |
| 15:35.22 | jelly-ho | Babbelaar: so boot from cd and remove the root password from /etc/shadow. |
| 15:35.41 | Babbelaar | isnt that totally gonnam ake my server flip? |
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| 15:35.45 | jelly-ho | Babbelaar: or mount; chroot; passwd root |
| 15:36.18 | GFDL | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:36.24 | Babbelaar | what happens when i reboot in without a rootpassword set? |
| 15:36.34 | yonkeltron | TonyStark: try intsalling debian-keyring and debian-archive-keyring |
| 15:36.58 | yonkeltron | Babbelaar: maybe you can drop to single-user mode from grub or something |
| 15:37.00 | hyksos | jelly-ho :nothing changed, the curios is that i can open x-programs on the host, i connected to with ssh -X, when i have set DISPLAY=connectedhost:0.0 |
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| 15:37.07 | Babbelaar | every can just su without password or something? |
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| 15:37.23 | yonkeltron | !tell phated about chin |
| 15:37.32 | olspookishmagus | hello, I need help with my USB drive. I plug it in and it just won't get mounted. I have created a log with my actions for you to see and help me out. Please check --> http://pastebin.ca/45361 <--and tell me your suggestions! =D |
| 15:37.39 | Phated | yonkeltron: :D |
| 15:37.43 | abrotman | !ifrp |
| 15:37.44 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
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| 15:37.51 | yonkeltron | Phated: golden eh? |
| 15:37.58 | Phated | yonkeltron: Trooly. |
| 15:38.16 | jelly-ho | hyksos: maybe you have something in your shell init scripts that changes the $DISPLAY variable? |
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| 15:38.34 | hyksos | jelly-ho : the display var isnt set at all afte connection |
| 15:39.01 | Babbelaar | ok |
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| 15:39.10 | Babbelaar | so just remove the root pass from the shadow file? |
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| 15:39.19 | hyksos | jelly-ho :if i set it, only the one on the remote host works, that i dont need |
| 15:39.23 | Stereo | hello folks |
| 15:39.31 | Stereo | I'd like to merge two directories |
| 15:40.02 | jelly-ho | hyksos: ok then. First, did you set "X11Forwarding yes" in pc2:/etc/ssh/sshd_config? |
| 15:40.11 | yonkeltron | !tell sward about chin |
| 15:40.34 | Stereo | e.g. I've got foo/a/b foo/a/c bar/a/b and bar/a/d, and I want bar/a/b /bar/a/c and bar/a/d |
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| 15:40.52 | hyksos | jelly-ho :no |
| 15:40.56 | yonkeltron | Stereo: rsync maybe? |
| 15:40.57 | sward | yonkeltron: oi! |
| 15:40.58 | jelly-ho | hyksos: why? |
| 15:41.08 | Stereo | with bar/a/b being overwritten from foo/a/b if possible, otherwise I'll do it the other way around |
| 15:41.17 | Stereo | yonkeltron: can rsync overwrite? |
| 15:41.23 | yonkeltron | Stereo: yes |
| 15:41.31 | jelly-ho | hyksos: how did you interpret the " Enable X11Forwarding **on the server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) "? |
| 15:41.53 | cahoot | jelly-ho: optional? ;) |
| 15:41.59 | yonkeltron | Stereo: man rsync is the beard |
| 15:42.03 | yonkeltron | Stereo: check it out |
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| 15:42.19 | hyksos | jelly-ho :also nothing changed |
| 15:42.27 | hyksos | i have enabled xdmcp |
| 15:42.31 | Stereo | yonkeltron: thanks :D |
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| 15:43.32 | yonkeltron | !tell stereo about chin |
| 15:43.35 | jelly-ho | hyksos: nevermind xdmcp for now... |
| 15:43.49 | hyksos | jelly-ho :when i dont know all settings, why do i then dont know server client principle, but that anther thing |
| 15:43.50 | TonyStark | yonkeltron, i have done what you told me about installing debian-keyring and debian-archive-keyring and it didn't worked... |
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| 15:44.05 | abrotman | jvw: what's up with the keys? |
| 15:44.13 | yonkeltron | TonyStark: those were my ideas..... |
| 15:44.14 | jelly-ho | hyksos: so now that you enabled X11Forwarding on pc2, do /etc/init.d/ssh reload on pc2. |
| 15:44.20 | hyksos | jelly-ho :why could i open an x-prog without X11forwrding enabled? |
| 15:44.23 | abrotman | or maybe i don't want to know |
| 15:44.32 | hyksos | jelly-ho :yes i have restarted them |
| 15:44.48 | TonyStark | yonkeltron, ahm, ok, thank you xD |
| 15:44.52 | eurisko | hi everyone , i was installing and i made a mistake during dpkg configure , i selected x qt frontend to configure packages... now i want to install xserver-xorg and i can't because it want's to start a x session that dosne'+t exist.. |
| 15:44.58 | GFDL | server/client "principle" in X was designed by kooks |
| 15:45.12 | jvw | abrotman: hm? |
| 15:45.14 | abrotman | GFDL: you could use berlin instead |
| 15:45.23 | abrotman | jvw: did they put in new keys? |
| 15:45.32 | GFDL | abrotman, is that usable now? I tried it 5 years ago and was crap |
| 15:45.33 | jvw | where are you talking about? |
| 15:45.38 | TonyStark | eurisko, dpkg-reconigure dpkg? |
| 15:45.38 | GFDL | abrotman, maybe it works now |
| 15:45.40 | jelly-ho | hyksos: last thing then, do you have "/usr/X11R6/bin/xauth" on pc2? You should, but... |
| 15:45.42 | Virtual | i need to load the fglrx driver into the kernel, I am not really great at this, what would be the easyest way ? |
| 15:45.45 | abrotman | jvw: W: GPG error: http://ftp.us.debian.org etch Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 010908312D230C5F Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2006) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 15:45.47 | GFDL | abrotman, berlin, fresco all that stuff |
| 15:45.52 | loggygreg | eurisko: dpkg-reconfigure -fdialog debconf |
| 15:45.53 | abrotman | GFDL: i doubt it |
| 15:45.53 | eurisko | i tried.. |
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| 15:45.56 | jvw | abrotman: siginvalid != new key |
| 15:45.57 | hyksos | yes on both |
| 15:46.08 | GFDL | abrotman, still vaporware? that sucks |
| 15:46.11 | abrotman | jvw: i didn't know what was causing it |
| 15:46.14 | eurisko | loggygreg thanks!!1 :D |
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| 15:46.21 | jvw | abrotman: yeah, dinstall was broken, it was incorrectly signed |
| 15:46.27 | jvw | abrotman: a new key would be "UNKNOWN KEY" or so |
| 15:46.30 | abrotman | jvw: fixed later today? |
| 15:46.39 | jvw | abrotman: at next mirror pulse, it'll be fixed |
| 15:46.46 | abrotman | when katie runs right? |
| 15:46.53 | jvw | abrotman: so that is, rougly 0:00 UTC or so, tell people about 2:00 UTC to be safe |
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| 15:46.57 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 15:46.57 | pucko- | Hello. How do I set permissions with udev so the permissions on certain devices will be preserved over a reboot? |
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| 15:47.07 | abrotman | jvw: thank you |
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| 15:47.15 | jelly-ho | dpkg, sshx =~ /on the server/on the remote server/ |
| 15:47.22 | jvw | abrotman: you're welcome |
| 15:47.27 | jelly-ho | dpkg, sshx =~ s/on the server/on the remote server/ |
| 15:47.27 | dpkg | jelly-ho: OK |
| 15:47.42 | jvw | abrotman: also, this mirror pulse was very late (only a few hours ago) instaed of at scheduled time, the /tmp on ftp-master was filled... :0/ |
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| 15:47.45 | quitte | pucko-: easiest was to add users to the group the device belongs to. in most cases this is enough. what device do you have in mind? |
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| 15:48.06 | abrotman | jvw: erm .. last i knew .. that's bad :) |
| 15:48.25 | hyksos | jelly-ho :ssh on both servers installed |
| 15:48.26 | jvw | abrotman: yeah, it broke some things :) |
| 15:48.32 | abrotman | heh |
| 15:48.52 | jvw | abrotman: like, the broken signature |
| 15:48.58 | jelly-ho | hyksos: obviously. what about xauth? |
| 15:49.19 | quitte | pucko-: otherwise: man udev |
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| 15:49.21 | abrotman | jvw: well .. at least we know now .. noone seemed to know ... |
| 15:49.29 | hyksos | jelly-ho :i said, all installed |
| 15:49.52 | jvw | abrotman: no-one asked ftpmaster in any case :) |
| 15:49.58 | jvw | abrotman: lemme update #d-d topic |
| 15:50.22 | jelly-ho | hyksos: ssh -v -X pc2 ? |
| 15:50.26 | abrotman | jvw: hrm .. ok .. but we don't usually send people to #d-d for support :) |
| 15:50.38 | pucko- | quitte, it is mainly devices that I remove from time to time, the device ttyUSB0 (with the pl2303 driver) and the bluetooth driver rfcomm0 |
| 15:51.24 | pucko- | quitte, when I load the kernel module I would like it to have the correct ownership, but it seems I need to reconfigure it every time |
| 15:51.38 | jvw | abrotman: good thing :) |
| 15:51.54 | jvw | abrotman: but its topic always lists some daily brokenness stuff |
| 15:51.59 | hyksos | jelly-ho :nothing |
| 15:52.06 | hyksos | jelly-ho :cant open display |
| 15:52.13 | hyksos | jelly-ho :no env var set |
| 15:52.20 | abrotman | jvw: wait .... so it will be broken until "tomorrow" ? |
| 15:52.29 | jelly-ho | hyksos: strange. |
| 15:52.46 | jvw | it's some mirrors, not all of them (mine was ok), and it's "1:00 UTC" or so |
| 15:52.47 | hyksos | jelly-ho :i know, i do it till yesterday |
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| 15:53.00 | abrotman | it is 0100 UTC now? |
| 15:53.07 | jvw | abrotman: not all mirrors sync at the same time |
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| 15:53.16 | hyksos | jelly-ho :you know perhaps how to connect to X on port 6000 ? on pc2 it is running |
| 15:53.16 | jvw | no, I mean, it'll be fixed around 1:00 UTC |
| 15:53.23 | jvw | Sun Mar 12 15:53:20 UTC 2006 |
| 15:53.30 | quitte | pucko-: adding your user to the dialout group doesn't work? |
| 15:53.37 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 15:53.40 | abrotman | i thought so :) |
| 15:53.47 | eurisko | a simples question i have a wifi-pci card, and mainly everytime i turn on the computer i configure it manually what would you recomend to place the command ifup-ifdown? |
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| 15:54.14 | quitte | eurisko: man interfaces |
| 15:54.15 | pucko- | quitte, no because the default ownership is root.root when I load the driver. so I need to change group ownership or permissions every time. |
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| 15:54.26 | quitte | pucko-: man udev then |
| 15:54.36 | pucko- | quitte, ok. |
| 15:55.15 | TonyStark | do someone know why happen this when i apt-get update? W: GPG error: http://ftp.debian.org etch Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 010908312D230C5F Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2006) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 15:55.49 | abrotman | TonyStark: /lastlog jvw .. i just talked about it with him |
| 15:55.51 | quitte | TonyStark: /msg dpkg 2006 key |
| 15:55.57 | quitte | oh |
| 15:56.07 | jvw | TonyStark: temporarly brokenness, will be fixed in about 8 hours from now |
| 15:56.11 | jelly-ho | hyksos: is someine already logged in? |
| 15:56.13 | TonyStark | quitte, it doesn't worked i'm afraid |
| 15:56.21 | hyksos | jelly-ho :no |
| 15:56.26 | loggygreg | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:56.41 | jelly-ho | hyksos: then you don't need to do anything with that X server. |
| 15:56.41 | Babbelaar | how od i fsck the root filesystem? |
| 15:57.00 | TonyStark | jvw, ah, ok, i will wait then... can i do apt-get dist-upgrade? or am i have to wait for 8 hours? |
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| 15:57.11 | TonyStark | abrotman thanks.. |
| 15:57.28 | hyksos | jelly-ho :what do you mean? |
| 15:57.56 | jelly-ho | hyksos: X server is just the graphical screen you run the software (X clients) on. |
| 15:58.20 | thingfish | Babbelaar: shutdown -rF now I think. |
| 15:58.46 | Babbelaar | im in a normal user acount |
| 15:59.13 | GFDL | LOL |
| 15:59.13 | jelly-ho | hyksos: you don't need to access the screen on pc2, what you probably want is to run some programs (X clients) from pc2 and have them appear on your pc1 screen, right? This pc1 screen is the only X server you need to care about. |
| 15:59.13 | thingfish | I don't think you can fsck a mounted partition. |
| 15:59.23 | eurisko | thanks quitte |
| 15:59.31 | TonyStark | jvw, can i do apt-get dist-upgrade? or am i have to wait for 8 hours? |
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| 15:59.51 | hyksos | jelly-ho :ok, but what can i test to get some errors that give me a hint, why it doesnt work |
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| 16:00.08 | jvw | TonyStark: just force & overrule apt or so, if you really want, but eh, that'll surrender the safety the signatures give you |
| 16:00.21 | Virtual | I am trying to load fglrx module to kernel but i`m getting this error : Unable to load some already present DRM kernel module! |
| 16:00.25 | Virtual | any idea why? |
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| 16:00.36 | jvw | TonyStark: or pick a different mirror, not all of them broke |
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| 16:01.04 | jelly-ho | hyksos: try setting X11Forwarding yes on pc1:/etc/ssh/sshd_config also, reload sshd, then try ssh -v -X localhost on pc1. |
| 16:01.26 | TonyStark | jvw aha, mmm i work with http-us i think, the root doesn't it? |
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| 16:01.41 | hyksos | jelly-ho :i have set it to yes on both machines, nothing |
| 16:02.00 | jvw | TonyStark: the master archive is not publicly available, and there are about 7 mirrors who sync from it |
| 16:02.03 | jelly-ho | hyksos: what, you already logged in with ssh -v -X localhost to pc1? |
| 16:02.16 | TonyStark | jvw, aha, ok, thank you very much for all ;D |
| 16:02.20 | jvw | TonyStark: ftp.debian.org is just one of those 7 |
| 16:02.36 | hyksos | jelly-ho :i can login ,but when i run e.g. xclock i get cant open display back, thats what i am saying all the time |
| 16:02.48 | TonyStark | jvw, aha, i thought it was something as the main server... |
| 16:03.30 | jelly-ho | hyksos: do "xauth list" on pc1 then paste it somewhere. |
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| 16:03.59 | jelly-ho | hyksos: then do "ssh -vvv -X localhost" on pc1 and paste that output too. |
| 16:04.15 | hyksos | jelly-ho :xauth list only knows MIT-cookies from themself |
| 16:04.45 | jelly-ho | hyksos: that's ok if there are no ssh-forwards from somewhere else. |
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| 16:05.04 | Virtual | I am trying to load fglrx module to kernel but i`m getting this error : Unable to load some already present DRM kernel module! |
| 16:05.33 | jelly-ho | hyksos: please do exact copy/paste and put on a pastebin, so that we are sure there's nothing missing. |
| 16:06.37 | hyksos | jelly-ho :i dont like pasting these things, sorry, but there are nothing in, with X11forwarding or anything, when i run ssh -vvv -X |
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| 16:07.08 | Babbelaar | so... |
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| 16:07.53 | GFDL | hyksos, paste the last lines, at least, but not here |
| 16:08.15 | GFDL | I also want to know what is wrong with that idiotic holy msg |
| 16:08.24 | jelly-ho | hyksos: /msg dpkg paster |
| 16:08.47 | hyksos | jelly-ho : yet it works, when i login with ssh when i use the same user as the one that is running X |
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| 16:12.00 | scapor | Hi,how can I know the exact memory usage of 1 particular program with a shell command ? |
| 16:12.06 | skinhorse | hi, i am a debian newb-- need some help getting X started correctly on an antique iMac |
| 16:12.13 | useruser | scapor: pmap |
| 16:12.19 | jelly-ho | hyksos: what distro are you running? |
| 16:12.31 | jelly-ho | hyksos: stable or something else? |
| 16:13.02 | skinhorse | machine is booting but then the monitor is switching off / rebelling after the bootup seq |
| 16:13.06 | thingfish | skinhorse: I don't recall seeing many people in here trying to do that. |
| 16:13.06 | hyksos | jelly-ho :but the other way around doesnt work, on pc2 i run stable, on pc1 unstable |
| 16:13.11 | skinhorse | yeah i know. :) |
| 16:13.17 | scapor | useruser: I just ned 1 figure to check if there is a memleak in the process in it's whole |
| 16:13.27 | useruser | scapor: use tail then |
| 16:13.48 | skinhorse | is there a PPC specific channel |
| 16:13.57 | citral | skinhorse: #debian-ppc |
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| 16:14.02 | skinhorse | ok thanks :) |
| 16:14.30 | useruser | scapor: or pmap 1 | sed -ne 's/^ total *//p' |
| 16:15.05 | scapor | useruser: I see, thanks alot :) |
| 16:15.22 | jelly-ho | hyksos: can you try logging in locally to pc2, then doing ssh -v -X pc1 ? |
| 16:16.22 | hyksos | jelly-ho :i got my problem, the users that only can use x-apps are the one that run X on the other pc |
| 16:16.37 | hyksos | jelly-ho :yet it works in both ways |
| 16:17.18 | jelly-ho | hyksos: that probably works only if you set DISPLAY by hand, right? |
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| 16:18.02 | hyksos | jelly-ho :no, then display is also not set, but it works |
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| 16:18.30 | hyksos | jelly-ho :you know how to login as user that starts X, then swithc to root and use X-forwarding? |
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| 16:20.07 | jelly-ho | hyksos: you don't need forwarding for that. Use gksu or copy the relevant user's xauth cookies and set DISPLAY. |
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| 16:21.08 | GFDL | jelly-ho, what? I thought you don't need to setup DISPLAY at all |
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| 16:21.52 | hyksos | jelly-ho : that i must try later, thanks for all help |
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| 16:22.32 | abrotman | !tell aaaaaaaa about root |
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| 16:22.42 | jelly-ho | GFDL: that works in Debian (probably on XFree86/xorg), but not on eg. Solaris. |
| 16:23.32 | jelly-ho | GFDL: I'm not quite sure why X server lets root's X-clients in without correct cookies. |
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| 16:25.34 | valdyn | GFDL: it does? |
| 16:25.37 | jelly-ho | GFDL: not to mention correct DISPLAY. |
| 16:26.18 | jelly-ho | GFDL: one could have lots of active X servers on a single machine, how would it know which one to connect to? |
| 16:27.07 | valdyn | !sshx |
| 16:27.07 | dpkg | hmm... sshx is Enable X11Forwarding **on the remote server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
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| 16:30.17 | DwyaneWade | if i have a new sound card is any way for it to work with some generic drivers? cause there are no specific Unix drivers for it |
| 16:30.29 | valdyn | DwyaneWade: for which sound card? |
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| 16:31.18 | anther | can anyone tell me how to use knoppix std verion of linux ?? |
| 16:31.24 | DwyaneWade | M-Audio Audiophile 2496 |
| 16:31.39 | valdyn | DwyaneWade: lspci | grep audio |
| 16:31.42 | valdyn | DwyaneWade: lspci | grep -i audio |
| 16:32.03 | valdyn | anther: this is not a knoppix support channel |
| 16:32.27 | DwyaneWade | valdyn: 0000:00:0c.0 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies Inc. ICE1712 [Envy24] PCI Multi-Channel I/O Controller (rev 02) |
| 16:32.46 | amang | why can't i send messages? |
| 16:33.05 | DwyaneWade | indeed it's ICE 1712 chipset |
| 16:33.13 | DwyaneWade | but can't find any driver for it |
| 16:33.27 | DwyaneWade | manufacturer suggest to install OSS but it seems impossible |
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| 16:33.44 | valdyn | DwyaneWade: what seems impossible? |
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| 16:34.48 | DwyaneWade | to install OSS |
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| 16:34.56 | valdyn | DwyaneWade: because its already installed? |
| 16:35.04 | DwyaneWade | because it asks to compile some kernel module |
| 16:35.07 | DwyaneWade | called sndshield |
| 16:35.11 | valdyn | DwyaneWade: uh |
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| 16:35.22 | DwyaneWade | and the script returns error because it can't find several files |
| 16:35.26 | DwyaneWade | which should be there but are not |
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| 16:35.35 | DwyaneWade | and there is only one version of OSS for kernel 2.4 |
| 16:35.38 | DwyaneWade | which i currently use |
| 16:35.51 | valdyn | DwyaneWade: tried 'modprobe sndshield' ? |
| 16:36.23 | valdyn | !find sndshield |
| 16:36.43 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'sndshield' returned no results. |
| 16:36.59 | jelly-ho | sndshield is OSS's module |
| 16:37.20 | EvilGuru | I have a problem with NFS/Portmap |
| 16:37.21 | _theklone | DwyaneWade: why not use alsa? theres definitely support for the envy24 there. |
| 16:37.48 | DwyaneWade | _theklone: yes there is and i tried but there's a huge list of drivers there |
| 16:37.49 | EvilGuru | an rpcinfo shows them as not being exported |
| 16:38.06 | DwyaneWade | i downloaded latest drivers, lib and util packages |
| 16:38.12 | DwyaneWade | lib and util compiled well |
| 16:38.22 | DwyaneWade | but driver returned some errors |
| 16:38.27 | DwyaneWade | should i try some older version? |
| 16:38.28 | valdyn | DwyaneWade: run 'updatee-pciids', the run lspci and paste the whole output |
| 16:38.36 | ekkikrist | in pastebin |
| 16:38.37 | valdyn | DwyaneWade: no |
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| 16:38.44 | valdyn | DwyaneWade: run 'update-pciids', the run lspci and paste the whole output |
| 16:38.45 | EvilGuru | can anyone tell me why nfs and friends might not be running (just apt-got them) |
| 16:39.36 | loggygreg | DwyaneWade: try modprobe snd-ice1712 |
| 16:39.38 | DwyaneWade | valdyn: what should i paste? all those 11 lines? |
| 16:39.47 | valdyn | DwyaneWade: yes ( not here ) |
| 16:39.49 | valdyn | !paste |
| 16:39.49 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 16:40.22 | valdyn | loggygreg: he does not have alsa yet |
| 16:40.55 | valdyn | loggygreg: that's a good hint though.. |
| 16:40.58 | valdyn | !alsa setup |
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| 16:41.03 | valdyn | !alsa one-liner |
| 16:41.03 | dpkg | alsa one-liner is probably apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf, or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels |
| 16:41.04 | DwyaneWade | valdyn: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2051 |
| 16:41.23 | valdyn | !2.4 alsa one-liner |
| 16:41.23 | dpkg | [2.4 alsa one-liner] to install alsa on a 2.4 kernel: apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils alsa-modules-$(uname -r) && alsaconf ; if you are using a 2.6 kernel ask me about <alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels |
| 16:41.36 | GFDL | ahem |
| 16:41.50 | curt | !tell EvilGuru -about nfs |
| 16:42.10 | DwyaneWade | valdyn: Couldn't find package alsa-modules-2.4.27-1-386 |
| 16:42.41 | valdyn | DwyaneWade: you are running an unsupported pre-sarge kernel it seems |
| 16:42.54 | lightcap | I upgraded apt to the version dpkg in this channel said should have the 2006 key, I watched the key aded to the ring, but I'm still being prompted that most packages can't be verified. what up with that? |
| 16:43.12 | valdyn | DwyaneWade: 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386' |
| 16:43.22 | valdyn | !info kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 sarge |
| 16:43.26 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386: (Linux kernel image for version 2.4.27 on 386), section base, is optional. Version: 2.4.27-10sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 10787 kB, Installed size: 28984 kB |
| 16:43.59 | curt | apt-get update |
| 16:44.00 | valdyn | DwyaneWade: after that reboot and do the 2.4 alsa one-liner |
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| 16:44.12 | DwyaneWade | ok i typed the apt-get install |
| 16:44.15 | DwyaneWade | it should take a while |
| 16:44.31 | DwyaneWade | or better: |
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| 16:44.43 | DwyaneWade | Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.ro.debian.org/debian/pool/main/k/kernel-image-2.4.27-i386/kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386_2.4.27-11_i386.deb Unable to fetch file, server said '/debian/pool/main/k/kernel-image-2.4.27-i386/kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386_2.4.27-11_i386.deb: No such file or directory |
| 16:44.44 | anther | who knows proxies addons for debian? |
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| 16:44.59 | lightcap | what the point of the key for apt if most packages aren't using it? |
| 16:45.08 | valdyn | DwyaneWade: run apt-get update and repeat the previous apt-get install |
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| 16:45.29 | beered | Is there a command I could use to get current weather data for my zip code? |
| 16:45.34 | valdyn | lightcap: what sais that most packages dont use it? |
| 16:45.41 | jelly-ho | lightcap: as far as I understood from some message on this channel a while ago, there was breakage in propagating mirror data to (some|most) mirrors, so that the gpg signatures are not valid at present. This ought to be fixed automagically on next mirror update. |
| 16:45.46 | anther | anyone? |
| 16:45.48 | PinkFreud | hmmm. is it just me, or is ftp.debian.org's testing tree missing a few arches? |
| 16:45.57 | curt | lightcap, run the manual way from /msg dpkg 2006 key |
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| 16:46.09 | lightcap | valdyn: well, no one, but the key is installed and I'm still continuously prompted about the fact it cant be validated |
| 16:46.28 | lightcap | curt: I saw that way, but thought it better to use apt to do it. It's not? |
| 16:46.47 | curt | lightcap, I would run it the other way.. |
| 16:46.55 | PinkFreud | Failed to fetch http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/binary-powerpc/Packages.gz 404 Not Found |
| 16:47.11 | PinkFreud | most notably - powerpc seems to have disappeared. |
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| 16:47.24 | valdyn | PinkFreud: all but amd64 amd i386 are currently missing |
| 16:47.33 | PinkFreud | valdyn: I noticed. what happened? |
| 16:47.33 | valdyn | PinkFreud: dont ask me why.. |
| 16:47.36 | PinkFreud | bleh. |
| 16:47.38 | anther | who knows proxies addons for debian? |
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| 16:47.55 | valdyn | anther: whats a proxy addon? |
| 16:48.20 | curt | !proxies |
| 16:48.20 | dpkg | [proxies] export http_proxy="http://proxy.dynamite.com.au:8080/" or http_proxy="http://prx1.act.schools.net.au:3128/" or "http://wwwcache.anu.edu.au:80/" |
| 16:48.52 | anther | whats that? |
| 16:48.52 | anther | curt? |
| 16:49.04 | valdyn | still fail to see what a 'proxy addon' is supposed to be |
| 16:49.17 | curt | Anders, what's the 'addon' part anyway? |
| 16:49.23 | curt | crap |
| 16:49.33 | curt | anther, what's the 'addon' part anyway? |
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| 16:50.38 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 16:50.38 | dpkg | it has been said that popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 16:52.18 | HazyNRG | hi, my pc has an eth0 to my lan (with inet access) and an eth1, actually not used. i have to be a gateway for a pc connecting on eth1 which want to access internet. what can i do? |
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| 16:53.00 | amang | Hi all,i want to know if Raltek ALC850 supported by alsa? My soundcard can't work on debian |
| 16:53.10 | lightcap | HazyNRG: enable ip_forwarding |
| 16:53.47 | bighorn | where can i learn how to setup thunderbird to read my system messages? |
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| 16:55.24 | OldakQuill | I'm trying to install Debian on a friend's laptop. Just finished the first stage and computer restarted. It's now frozen at "Uncompressing Linux... Ok, booting this kernel." |
| 16:55.28 | OldakQuill | Anyone had this before? |
| 16:55.37 | Eulex | amang, alsa-project.org |
| 16:56.00 | amang | :( |
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| 16:56.20 | _X-Treme | bighorn: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=113796 |
| 16:56.25 | lightcap | curt: I followed the manual way and still get auth warnings with apt |
| 16:56.43 | Soma | hi |
| 16:56.57 | chance2105 | OldakQuill: Yeah. When the kernel is compiled for an architecture / or using instructions on a chip that's unsupported on that box. Examples being, a 486 trying to run a linux binary that's compiled for a Pentium. |
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| 16:58.52 | chance2105 | OldakQuill: (apply example to any of the generations of newer chips with incompatible instruction sets -- generally just make sure the kernel is compiled for the correct processor / architecture) |
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| 16:58.54 | OldakQuill | Trying to install x86 on Intel M 730... THAT SHOULD BE ok? |
| 16:59.01 | OldakQuill | *caps |
| 16:59.03 | die-Sel | i have debian installed with the video driver by sis. My onboard vga chipset is by sis, now when i log into Gnome my max res is 800x600 on a 19" CRT monitor in which i use at 1200x1200 when in windows. Anyone got any ideas as to why i cant get over 800x600? |
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| 16:59.53 | jelly-ho | chance2105: that cause is highly unlikely for a recent machine and a kernel from distribution. I'd bet on acpi problems. |
| 16:59.57 | curt | lightcap, are they for security or regular apt |
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| 17:00.23 | lightcap | curt: sorry? |
| 17:00.27 | chance2105 | die-Sel: run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" as root, and in the configuration, be sure to include the resultions you want to use (I include once resolution higher than what I use there) |
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| 17:00.43 | curt | lightcap, security key is different |
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| 17:00.48 | curt | !security |
| 17:00.48 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade". If you're still running woody, consider "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US/contrib non-US/main non-US/non-free" for non-us security, or ask me about testing security or unstable security |
| 17:00.50 | lightcap | hmm |
| 17:00.51 | die-Sel | thk chance2105 ill give that a go |
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| 17:00.57 | lightcap | how do I tell if its from security |
| 17:01.11 | jimmybgood | lightcap: I get the same error and I've been using secure apt for year++ |
| 17:01.12 | chance2105 | Dang, I should forget trying to type with correct spelling, really .. |
| 17:01.18 | curt | lightcap, the warnings would say |
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| 17:01.34 | jason_ | my debian box does not recognize my dvd bruner i just installed. i have debian sid. |
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| 17:01.42 | curt | !hardware |
| 17:01.42 | dpkg | Before buying -any- hardware, make sure it's supported by all operating systems you want to use. See: the hardware howto. Ask me about howtos. or if you ask "Hey, why does my card suck so much in Linux," we have to say, "because your card manufacturer can't decide whether they're in the hardware or software business.", or check http://lhd.datapower.com/, http://linuxhardware.net/ and http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO.html |
| 17:01.44 | jimmybgood | lightcap: i just tried a different mirror and everything worked fine |
| 17:01.45 | panto | hi |
| 17:01.47 | lightcap | no, this one was not security |
| 17:01.49 | tarzeau | jason_: which kernel? |
| 17:01.57 | jason_ | 2.4xxx |
| 17:01.59 | panto | anyone have a handy link to the kernel patches of -testing? |
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| 17:02.21 | lightcap | hmm |
| 17:02.31 | tarzeau | jason_: exactly |
| 17:02.32 | lightcap | I just recently changed my mirror, but I got it before that too |
| 17:02.37 | tarzeau | jason_: whcih one exactly |
| 17:02.38 | jason_ | 2.4.27-2-386 |
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| 17:02.53 | tarzeau | jason_: scsi or ide device? |
| 17:02.58 | jason_ | ide |
| 17:03.33 | chance2105 | OldakQuill: if you're runing just the installation kernel, then yes -- jelly-ho is probably right, and you need to disable acpi on boot |
| 17:03.34 | Virtual | I need to set a aplication to use ALSA instead of OSS, OSS is /dev/dsp right? what about alsa ? |
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| 17:04.07 | valdyn | Virtual: alsa applications do not use device nodes |
| 17:04.17 | valdyn | Virtual: the use libasound |
| 17:04.27 | Virtual | valdyn: then how do I describe the alsa to that application ? |
| 17:04.41 | valdyn | Virtual: to _which_ appliation ? |
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| 17:05.07 | jason_ | tarzeau, its ide, and the error says "soruce can't be read." |
| 17:05.08 | Virtual | valdyn: cedega |
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| 17:05.33 | valdyn | Virtual: select alsa, pick the device 'default' |
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| 17:05.48 | Soma | someone knows howto install q3 on AMD64? |
| 17:06.10 | loggygreg | amang: modprobe snd-intel8x0 |
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| 17:06.48 | relaxed | I have the latest gpg 2006 but when running 'apt-get update' in unstable I keep getting 'GPG error: ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 010908312D230C5F ' Anyone know the solution to this? |
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| 17:07.10 | valdyn | !topicsmite relaxed |
| 17:07.10 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon relaxed. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 17:07.13 | bighorn | _X-Treme: thanks |
| 17:07.24 | relaxed | valdyn: what? |
| 17:07.35 | Ronin | relaxed: read teh topic |
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| 17:08.15 | chance2105 | relaxed: Uh, look at the topic. |
| 17:08.19 | Virtual | valdyn: if I select alsa I have to set CTL Device and PCM Device and both are set to "hw" but when I run the game I want I have no sound |
| 17:08.24 | DwyaneWade | valdyn: I have a new problem now. The Windows option disappeared from GRUB! |
| 17:08.26 | qweo | can anybody help: i trying to run apt-get update,but get error about invalig GPG key.But i get new key! (gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add -).Why apt-get update not working? |
| 17:09.01 | Ronin | DwyaneWade: and thats a problem? :) |
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| 17:09.22 | DwyaneWade | so what to do to get it back? |
| 17:09.39 | chance2105 | hahaha |
| 17:09.39 | relaxed | Ronin chance2105 , I read the topic and /msg'd dpkg 2006 key but I still get the error running apt-get update. |
| 17:10.06 | valdyn | DwyaneWade: look at /boot/grub/menu.lst, one windows option might be there commented out |
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| 17:10.20 | jason_ | tarzeau, also, just so you know, it CAN play audio Cds, so perhaps its that persky libdvdcss file |
| 17:11.34 | Broxtor | Hi, I just tried to install etch. After the base installation was done, I selected to install a desktop environment but there the installer hangs because of some apparent problems. Is this a known issue? |
| 17:11.45 | Broxtor | And more important: Is there a solution? |
| 17:12.07 | DwyaneWade | valdyn: it isn't |
| 17:12.16 | DwyaneWade | should i copy it from the menu.lst~ ? |
| 17:12.18 | cheal | Broxtor: what apparent problems? |
| 17:12.25 | tarzeau | jason_: wrong device? |
| 17:12.32 | tarzeau | jason_: what says dmesg about it? |
| 17:12.36 | DwyaneWade | it appears it's been completely removed, there are only 4 lniux boot options, 2 for each kernel |
| 17:12.55 | Broxtor | cheal: Something with dependencies of locales |
| 17:13.13 | Broxtor | cheal: and if choose the printserver also with cups-sys |
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| 17:13.37 | Broxtor | cheal: for the record: I did a network install |
| 17:14.08 | DwyaneWade | this line: # This entry automatically added by the Debian installer for a non-linux OS # on /dev/hda1 completely disappeared |
| 17:14.14 | cheal | Broxtor: can you paste the first line(s) of the problem? |
| 17:14.25 | loggygreg | DwyaneWade: yes copy it from menu.lst~ before ### BEGIN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST |
| 17:15.00 | Broxtor | cheal: Then I would have to start the installation again from scratch. |
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| 17:16.37 | cheal | Broxtor: if the problem only appears when you install some task, you could install none and trigger the problem by running tasksel |
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| 17:17.18 | Broxtor | cheal: I don't know tasksel, but I will look into it. Thanks for the tip. |
| 17:17.26 | DwyaneWade | loggygreg: in the original file it was the last, but i presume it doesn't make much importance |
| 17:17.42 | weedar | How do I specify which interface to use for certain programs on a two-interface box? In this case I have wlan0 and eth0, but want to try ssh over eth0 |
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| 17:18.17 | valdyn | DwyaneWade: windows boot instructions are in the documentation too |
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| 17:18.43 | relaxed | I ran the command from '/msg dpkg 2006 key' and it reports 'gpg: key 2D230C5F: "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2006) <ftpmaster@debian.org>" not changed' because I already had it installed. I still get 'W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 010908312D230C5F' after running 'apt-get update' on unstable. Please help me. |
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| 17:19.45 | jlamr | Hi all. does anyone knwo why I get a hdc: media error (bad sector ) when I try to copy files from a cdrom to my comp?- only on some files |
| 17:20.18 | DwyaneWade | !2.4 alsa one-liner |
| 17:20.19 | dpkg | well, 2.4 alsa one-liner is to install alsa on a 2.4 kernel: apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils alsa-modules-$(uname -r) && alsaconf ; if you are using a 2.6 kernel ask me about <alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels |
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| 17:20.33 | relaxed | jlamr: the cd might be scratched. |
| 17:20.35 | weedar | jlamr, your CD could be faulty, your drive could also be faulty |
| 17:21.02 | jlamr | yeah, but it works in a windows box fine? |
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| 17:21.51 | roler | What does this mean??? The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 010908312D230C5F Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2006) |
| 17:21.56 | roler | when running apt-get update? |
| 17:22.05 | relaxed | roler: I get that too |
| 17:22.19 | roler | relaxed, I just started getting it today. I don't like it. :) |
| 17:22.21 | zinx | what's with all the people who haven't gotten the new key today? |
| 17:22.32 | zinx | oh, sarge updated to use sigs or something? |
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| 17:23.02 | relaxed | I tried 'apt-key update' but that didn't fix it. |
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| 17:23.16 | zinx | check topic |
| 17:23.26 | relaxed | zinx: I did, no help. |
| 17:23.32 | zinx | "no help."? |
| 17:23.51 | relaxed | I have the latest key installed already. |
| 17:23.53 | roler | zinx; the topic error is different. I had that when 2006 struck |
| 17:23.56 | opnsrc | For some strange reason my Internet connection works intermittently now |
| 17:23.56 | cheal | zinx: no, sarge does't use keys and won't |
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| 17:24.09 | OldakQuill | Would grub present any problems in an XP/Debian dualbooted system off the same disk? |
| 17:24.14 | opnsrc | It used to work all the time but now if I turn on my computer and boot, it doesn't work but only if I shut it back off and turn it back on it works |
| 17:24.23 | opnsrc | It was after I installed a bunch of stuff from synaptic |
| 17:24.25 | zinx | roler: maybe someone goofed signing it |
| 17:24.29 | zinx | or maybe someone broke in :D |
| 17:24.34 | unstable | What is going on with the gpg keys...there is nothing in the topic dondelelcaro |
| 17:24.45 | relaxed | OH NOES |
| 17:24.57 | loggygreg | OldakQuill: no |
| 17:25.09 | zinx | there is information on how to get the 2006 key in the topic.. |
| 17:25.22 | cheal | zinx: some mirrors are broken today, but the archive doesn't update on demand |
| 17:25.24 | zinx | or, at least, information on how to get the information |
| 17:25.27 | opnsrc | also when I shut it down it says, unloaing bittorrent client. The thing is the bittorrent client never gets loaded in the first place (I checked under rcconf) |
| 17:25.46 | relaxed | zinx: it has nothing to do with the 2006 key |
| 17:26.18 | opnsrc | Any ideas? |
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| 17:26.54 | gniretar | hi all |
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| 17:27.06 | gniretar | my BIND server is sending 'server failed' messages after certain queries. does anyone know how to get it to report what error was encountered? |
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| 17:29.20 | zinx | relaxed: well |
| 17:29.24 | zinx | relaxed: use a different mirror |
| 17:29.43 | opnsrc | Well there are now upgrades with synaptic, hopefully that will fix it |
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| 17:30.56 | roler | zinx; so if I wait a few days maybe it will start working? |
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| 17:31.09 | zinx | roler: yes.. or if you use a different mirror.. |
| 17:31.22 | relaxed | I was just checking in to see if it was pebkac. I'll wait it out ;-) |
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| 17:31.49 | zinx | debian.csail.mit.edu's working, but it's only amd64 :D |
| 17:31.57 | chance2105 | Are bugfixes ever released into stable, or is it stringently security-only patches? |
| 17:32.22 | syntaxis | chance2105: yes, they are, assuming the fix is deemed sufficiently important |
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| 17:32.33 | syntaxis | chance2105: and doesn't break anything else |
| 17:34.41 | roler | zinx; yup that did it |
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| 17:35.43 | roler | thanks zin |
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| 17:36.36 | jlamr | Can anyone tell me the command to insert 'ls' output into a file |
| 17:36.49 | marculix | ls > file |
| 17:37.09 | SerajewelKS | is there some way to get grep to look for a multiline fixed string sourced from a file? (think '-Ff' but the file is all one pattern, not one per line) |
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| 17:38.11 | cyberwolf__ | hello, what's gtk+-devel called in debian ? |
| 17:38.32 | SerajewelKS | cyberwolf__: gtk2-dev probably |
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| 17:38.35 | jlamr | Thanks marculix |
| 17:38.37 | chance2105 | syntaxis: Good. I'm reading the FAQs for the first time (after running Deiban .. forever ago and then coming back to it recently) and it seems kinda ambiguous about it. One paragraph says "major usability fixes" and the next says "only security". |
| 17:38.37 | beered | isn't there ifupdown script for Debian? I have to manually start my wifi and dhcp after login with a bash script. It would be nice if there was a script taking care of it. |
| 17:38.39 | cyberwolf__ | oki |
| 17:38.46 | SerajewelKS | cyberwolf__: apt-cache search gtk devel |
| 17:38.56 | SerajewelKS | !tell beered about interfaces |
| 17:39.11 | Axioms_101 | hi, how can i prevent xwindows from starting on startup? |
| 17:39.18 | SerajewelKS | !tell Axioms_101 about nodm |
| 17:39.34 | syntaxis | chance2105: if you feel it's inconsistent, by all means file a wishlist bug against debian-www |
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| 17:39.37 | beered | Is /etc/network obsolete now? |
| 17:39.44 | SerajewelKS | beered: noooooo, heck no |
| 17:39.45 | roler | What is /dev/shm in the df command? Do I need it? |
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| 17:39.56 | SerajewelKS | roler: ramdrive, and it's handy |
| 17:39.57 | GCarrier | hi everybody |
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| 17:40.09 | GCarrier | i've got a few problems with the X clipboard |
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| 17:40.43 | GCarrier | copying and pasting from [emacs|gedit]->[xterm|gnome-terminal] inserts dummy numbers at the end of the buffer, and the last line of the previous buffer... |
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| 17:41.01 | GCarrier | it makes distant sql requests unusable |
| 17:41.04 | GCarrier | any idea? |
| 17:41.08 | Peizhao | when system boots it shows => "Note: /etc/modules.conf is more recent than /lib/modules/2.4.30/modules.dep" and "modprobe: Can't locate module *" |
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| 17:41.29 | roler | SerajewelKS, ; what uses it? |
| 17:41.37 | Peizhao | anyone have idea what went wrong with modules or kernel |
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| 17:42.34 | beered | SerajewelKS: I'm not sure if I can put commands in the interfaces file. I have to start wpa_supplicant and I don't think 'interfaces' is meant for that. |
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| 17:42.53 | cyberwolf__ | SerajewelKS, no |
| 17:43.12 | cyberwolf__ | SerajewelKS, is it libgtk2.0-dev ? |
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| 17:44.00 | valdyn | roler: your libc6 uses it |
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| 17:45.44 | cyberwolf__ | or am i really wrong ? |
| 17:46.15 | DwyaneWade | valdyn: it works now. Thanks a bunch. This ALSA is a masterpiece. |
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| 17:46.23 | xsdg | is it possible to move a window between screens with multihead (not xinerama)? |
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| 17:46.29 | bodq | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:46.31 | bodq | oops sorry |
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| 17:46.57 | SerajewelKS | roler: not a lot of things, i think some root things use it for startup stuff |
| 17:47.02 | SerajewelKS | cyberwolf__: probably |
| 17:47.10 | SerajewelKS | beered: post-up and pre-up |
| 17:47.13 | SerajewelKS | beered: man interfaces |
| 17:47.58 | pixeleyes | Does anyone know what may cause the error "User root does not exist"? It occurs when I try to apt-get install/upgrade. |
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| 17:48.19 | mmiikkee12 | just so you know, your torrent is broken - http://img335.imageshack.us/img335/8295/untitled28su.png |
| 17:48.23 | Henry_Bean | hi, anybody has a deb package for mac-port codecs? |
| 17:48.25 | mmiikkee12 | note the eta :s |
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| 17:49.24 | roler | i also have a tmpfs on /dev which is kind of weird to me |
| 17:49.43 | valdyn | roler: good |
| 17:49.50 | roler | heh |
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| 17:50.57 | CyberPope | hi there. i have problem with my apache2. if i call http://blubb/phpsysinfo firefox it sends me a php-file for download. but if i call it directly with index.php it works. from outside my lan it works both ways. anyone got an idea for me? handler is added, apache has been restarted. thnx :) |
| 17:51.37 | roler | how do I see how much swap space is being used/avail? |
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| 17:52.28 | _X-Treme | top |
| 17:52.44 | pwnz | roler: man free |
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| 17:52.51 | roler | gosh darn it |
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| 17:52.54 | roler | i am half asleep today |
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| 17:53.00 | roler | i swore the swap space used to be in df |
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| 17:53.47 | pwnz | !lose roler |
| 17:53.47 | dpkg | roler: You Lose. |
| 17:53.53 | roler | lol |
| 17:54.06 | unstable | !swap |
| 17:54.06 | dpkg | rumour has it, swap is still a useful and good thing to have, even with lots of available memory: http://sourcefrog.net/weblog/software/linux-kernel/swap.html |
| 17:54.35 | FirstLite | roler, 'free' |
| 17:55.47 | ma3x | I don't really need the swap, I already have 1 GB ram |
| 17:55.53 | ma3x | so what the hell is swap necessary for? |
| 17:56.05 | valdyn | !swap |
| 17:56.05 | dpkg | i heard swap is still a useful and good thing to have, even with lots of available memory: http://sourcefrog.net/weblog/software/linux-kernel/swap.html |
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| 17:57.02 | ma3x | yeah I tried to read that, but anyway..... |
| 17:57.13 | ma3x | tell me shortly why would I need swap if I have 1 GB ram? |
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| 17:57.18 | JayR | wats the difference between sarge and sid? |
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| 17:57.20 | phogg | a gig isn't close to enough any more |
| 17:57.29 | ma3x | close to enough for what?! |
| 17:57.31 | ke6isf | ma3x: Not if your running console only. |
| 17:57.33 | ma3x | workstation??? YES! |
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| 17:57.38 | resiak | I read a very good article about why you want swap |
| 17:57.38 | JayR | ? |
| 17:57.40 | ma3x | but normal user it is hell close! |
| 17:57.41 | ke6isf | s/your/you're |
| 17:57.42 | GFDL | ma3x, 1GB is not a lot of memory... |
| 17:57.48 | ma3x | it is |
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| 17:57.53 | resiak | but the short answer is, you want the memory to be used as a disk cache, not to store the stuff you're not using |
| 17:57.55 | ma3x | what do you need anymore for? |
| 17:58.00 | ma3x | unless you have server or something |
| 17:58.02 | GFDL | ma3x, NO |
| 17:58.03 | resiak | ma3x: What I just said |
| 17:58.04 | ke6isf | ma3x: It is, by standards from about five years ago. |
| 17:58.07 | ma3x | but as a normal user its enough |
| 17:58.13 | plb | anyone on sarge experience in issue with firefox freezing when trying to download anything? I see it has a bug filed from last year but no fix? |
| 17:58.17 | ma3x | alright just tell me, why am I happy with my ram? |
| 17:58.23 | ma3x | and it never gets used completly |
| 17:58.27 | JayR | wats the difference between sarge and sid? |
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| 17:58.28 | ma3x | so that I run out of memor |
| 17:58.37 | ke6isf | JayR: Sarge is stable. Sid isn't. |
| 17:58.40 | thingfish | Tell JayR about releases |
| 17:58.41 | GFDL | ma3x, I don't know why you are happy with your ram |
| 17:58.47 | thingfish | aack |
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| 17:58.53 | ma3x | GFDL, I don't know why you aren't with yours? |
| 17:58.57 | thingfish | !tell JayR about releases |
| 17:59.04 | plb | meh stable, I can't even download anything with Firefox! =\ |
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| 17:59.19 | ma3x | plb, in sid you get to use more features |
| 17:59.22 | CyberPope | hi there. i have problem with my apache2. if i call http://blubb/phpsysinfo firefox it sends me a php-file for download. but if i call it directly with index.php it works. from outside my lan it works both ways. anyone got an idea for me? handler is added, apache has been restarted. thnx :) |
| 17:59.57 | ma3x | 1 GB is enough |
| 17:59.59 | DrPete | I have a pocketpc smartphone, and I use outlook on a laptop. i would like them to all connect to a linux server for sync etc, eg the pda connected over gprs to the server and activesync. Is there a program on linux that supports that |
| 18:00.07 | ma3x | unless you prove me why isn't it enough, I will always stay on my oppinion |
| 18:00.13 | plb | ma3x: I'm on sarge and anytime I try to download ANYTHING in firefox it freezes, someone filed this bug in august of last year and it has yet to be fixed |
| 18:00.28 | ma3x | plb and what? you need to reboot? |
| 18:00.43 | plb | ma3x: no the browser freezes, I have to kill it from the commandline |
| 18:00.53 | ke6isf | ma3x: Meh, whatever. |
| 18:00.58 | ma3x | plb, well firefox on sarge is old version I think. upgrade to sid if you like |
| 18:01.17 | plb | ma3x: I don't want sid I want something stable ;] |
| 18:01.31 | ma3x | plb, come on, look in the future! :p |
| 18:01.36 | ke6isf | plb: What are the symptoms? |
| 18:01.50 | ma3x | plb start it from the console and see if u get some useful information |
| 18:01.53 | plb | ke6isf: anytime you click on something to download the browser freezes |
| 18:01.57 | plb | I did |
| 18:01.59 | plb | nothing |
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| 18:02.07 | plb | its an outstanding bug almost a year old |
| 18:02.10 | plb | =\ |
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| 18:02.29 | valdyn | plb: maybe no one can reproduce it |
| 18:02.40 | plb | well I did ;] |
| 18:02.52 | qweo | help please: when i trying to record sound with sox i get msg "Can't open input file '/dev/dsp': Invalid argument"...I runing rec though alsa-over-oss (aoss)....What mean this error? (aoss must provide /dev/dsp pseudo device...) |
| 18:02.53 | valdyn | plb: ( i cant ), so maybe its your specific configuration or faulty config file(s) |
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| 18:03.19 | ke6isf | plb: The browser freezes? As in hard wedge, where you need to kill the browser? |
| 18:03.39 | valdyn | qweo: just dont use aoss |
| 18:03.43 | ke6isf | plb: Mind you, bugs from last year are a non-issue for firefox. Current stable was released less than one year ago. |
| 18:04.02 | JayR | whats the difference between the kernel with i386 and i686 suffix? |
| 18:04.03 | plb | ke6isf: yes |
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| 18:04.14 | cyberwolf__ | can someone help me with this ? aclocal: configure.in: 123: macro `AM_PATH_GTK' not found in library |
| 18:04.17 | cyberwolf__ | trying to compile evas |
| 18:04.21 | plb | er I mean it was filed in like august |
| 18:04.26 | plb | of last year |
| 18:04.38 | ke6isf | plb: Firefox was updated since then, if memory serves correctly. |
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| 18:04.47 | MrNaz | how big does the /var directory get on a standard debian install if its to be used as a web server? |
| 18:04.52 | plb | in sarge it is 1.04-2 |
| 18:05.07 | ke6isf | plb: Firefox was updated since then, if memory serves correctly. |
| 18:05.20 | elmo909 | I just partitioned my drive using the first phase of the debian install, and once it reboots GRUB doesn't load and the boot just hangs (Invalid boot medium or something).. any ideas why this could be happening? I have the debian partition on the first hard drive, after a windows partition. |
| 18:05.24 | GFDL | MrNaz, it can fill the whole mount point in the worst case |
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| 18:05.38 | bbrazil | MrNaz: depends on how big your logs get |
| 18:05.41 | JayR | whats the difference between the kernel with i386 and i686 suffix? |
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| 18:05.45 | GFDL | MrNaz, so the answer is: it can get very big |
| 18:05.47 | loggygreg | cyberwolf__: use evas from freedsktop then :-) |
| 18:06.00 | MrNaz | GFDL yeap, i'm going to make a partition for it, i've allocated 24gb is this a reasonable allocation? |
| 18:06.47 | phogg | MrNaz: that depends entirely on you. Is your website under /var? How big is it? Any databases? How big? How many logs do you plan to keep? |
| 18:06.52 | JayR | whats the difference between the kernel with i386 and i686 suffix? |
| 18:07.08 | valdyn | JayR: how about you read the packages description? |
| 18:07.09 | phogg | JayR: one will run on i386 and newer, the other on i686 and newer. |
| 18:07.11 | elmo909 | is there something I should try during the initial phase of install to get the bootloader to install correctly? |
| 18:07.16 | ke6isf | JayR: The latter was built for Pentium Pro and better, as far as Intel chips. |
| 18:07.18 | qweo | valdyn: why?All my sound goes though aoss (for multistream sound) |
| 18:07.30 | MrNaz | phogg apache will log to /var postgresql will have its own partition for all of its data |
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| 18:07.47 | valdyn | qweo: sounds silly, however not every oss app works through aoss |
| 18:07.57 | MrNaz | phogg / GFDL / bbrazil let me ask you guys this: how big is the /var on *your* web servers? |
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| 18:08.31 | valdyn | qweo: maybe its a better idea to just pipe thru sox and use aplay / arecord |
| 18:08.41 | ke6isf | MrNaz: Your /var directory will get as big as everything in there. |
| 18:08.46 | JayR | it says something like kernel-image-2.6.8.x-i386 and theres also kernel-image-.2.6.8.x-i686 |
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| 18:08.52 | kurumin | some one here know kurumin? |
| 18:09.02 | JayR | which is better? there are all for x86 processors? |
| 18:09.05 | kurumin | kurumin linux? |
| 18:09.10 | ke6isf | JayR: do 'apt-cache show ' on each of those packages. |
| 18:09.14 | loggygreg | JayR: what is your CPU ? |
| 18:09.15 | valdyn | !kurumin |
| 18:09.15 | dpkg | Kurumin Linux is a Brazilian run-from-CD Linux distribution based on Knoppix. That means it's not debian. Go away.. Ajuda pra Kurumin: http://www.kurumin.com.br |
| 18:09.15 | thingfish | !kurumin |
| 18:09.28 | CyberPope | hi there. i have problem with my apache2. if i call http://blubb/phpsysinfo firefox it sends me a php-file for download. but if i call it directly with index.php it works. from outside my lan it works both ways. anyone got an idea for me? handler is added, apache has been restarted. thnx :) |
| 18:09.33 | Red_Cloud | I need a recommend for a channel for iplist or firewall for Linux or debian |
| 18:09.42 | unstable | someone apt-get install gtetrinet; then start gtetrinet and connect to tetrinet.debian.net and get destroyed in tetris |
| 18:09.47 | JayR | P4 3.0ghz HT |
| 18:09.57 | rE` | use i686 |
| 18:09.59 | MrNaz | ke6isf i'm aware of the relative subjectivity of my question, and deliberates useless answers dont help anyone |
| 18:10.14 | MrNaz | deliberately |
| 18:10.15 | phogg | unstable: you say this as if you expect someone here to not have gtetrinet installed |
| 18:10.23 | loggygreg | JayR: as said by rE` ude i686 then |
| 18:10.25 | kurumin | cyberpope, do you load the php module on apache |
| 18:10.25 | kurumin | ? |
| 18:10.38 | CyberPope | fn'kurumin yes |
| 18:10.39 | loggygreg | JayR: s/ude/use/ |
| 18:10.48 | valdyn | MrNaz: a few 100 mb are enough for /var, everything exceeding that would be your own data which we cant account for |
| 18:10.48 | ke6isf | MrNaz: I understand your concern, but the problem is that you're asking a question for which there is no answer but...well, a useless answer. |
| 18:11.16 | kurumin | and every computers want to download a php page? |
| 18:11.18 | MrNaz | ke6isf well an order of magnitude wouldnt be impossible |
| 18:11.22 | JayR | thanks |
| 18:11.22 | ke6isf | MrNaz: There are web servers with five megs max, there are web servers with terabytes. |
| 18:11.30 | CyberPope | fn'kurumin: /etc/apache2/mods-enabled# cat php4.load: LoadModule php4_module /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp4.so |
| 18:11.31 | MrNaz | valdyn thanks... now i know that 24gb is well outside the necessary ballpark heh |
| 18:11.54 | CyberPope | fn'kurumin: nope only inside my home network. from outside it works. if i call the php directly from inside the network it works too |
| 18:12.01 | ke6isf | MrNaz: And not knowing what the application is, there's no good answer to thequestion. |
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| 18:12.10 | valdyn | MrNaz: beside that you probably want to put your own data on its own partition in /var/www i suppose |
| 18:12.16 | MrNaz | ke6isf i believe i said "web server" several times |
| 18:12.19 | beered | anybody knows is testing is 'frozen'? |
| 18:12.25 | stew | beered: no |
| 18:12.28 | MrNaz | its a minimum deb box with apache running |
| 18:12.36 | ke6isf | MrNaz: Yes, you did. And what valdyn said. web server can mean anything. |
| 18:12.43 | MrNaz | valdyn the web root wont be in /var |
| 18:12.52 | beered | stew: do you have any URL's to support your point of view :)? |
| 18:12.53 | SerajewelKS | can xpdf be used in a pipeline? i want to have it "print to" stdout without ever showing up on screen. |
| 18:12.54 | valdyn | MrNaz: wherever |
| 18:12.55 | MrNaz | apache will only LOG to /var |
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| 18:13.04 | stew | beered: http://debian.org/releases |
| 18:13.07 | kurumin | oh I don't know what this can be |
| 18:13.12 | beered | stew: ty |
| 18:13.12 | ke6isf | MrNaz: OK, that clarifies. |
| 18:13.13 | MrNaz | i know how big tha apache logs are going to be anyway i was really asking about the base debian system |
| 18:13.17 | stew | beered: /msg dpkg wwer |
| 18:13.18 | kurumin | try to use konqueror |
| 18:13.19 | elmo909 | can anyone tell me a process to figure out why grub isn't configuring properly? |
| 18:13.37 | ke6isf | MrNaz: What valdyn said. Add maybe a gig fi you plan on high traffic. |
| 18:13.44 | valdyn | MrNaz: one line per http connection |
| 18:13.45 | ke6isf | kurumin: Ask in #kurumin, please. |
| 18:13.47 | elmo909 | during the install it determines my other OS fine and everything |
| 18:13.50 | elmo909 | but it just won't boot |
| 18:13.55 | CyberPope | fn'kurumin: damn you're right. it's my firefox which is messing this up Oo |
| 18:13.59 | Rawplaye1 | MI |
| 18:14.03 | valdyn | MrNaz: that could be alot... |
| 18:14.06 | elmo909 | "Reboot and select proper boot device" |
| 18:14.16 | MrNaz | yeap... apache logs on the old box are about 20mb/month |
| 18:14.30 | MrNaz | its safe to assume that will not change |
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| 18:14.50 | MrNaz | i'll also be cycling the apache logs once a year |
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| 18:16.00 | ke6isf | MrNaz: Then unless you're short on disk space, you probably have nothing to worry about. |
| 18:16.20 | loggygreg | elmo909: when you boot do you see the grub prompt ? |
| 18:16.22 | MrNaz | cool |
| 18:16.26 | elmo909 | loggy: not at all. |
| 18:16.33 | MrNaz | thanks ke6isf / valdyn etc |
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| 18:16.36 | elmo909 | err, I just fixed it :D |
| 18:16.39 | loggygreg | elmo909: bad news |
| 18:16.42 | elmo909 | i changed a setting in my bios |
| 18:16.44 | elmo909 | and it just booted |
| 18:16.50 | elmo909 | phew |
| 18:17.25 | elmo909 | for some reason my bios "automatically" changed the order of booting hard drives.. |
| 18:17.26 | elmo909 | weird.. |
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| 18:19.35 | loggygreg | elmo909: change the order of booting drive in the bios boot and reinstall grub in the first booting drive then, no ? |
| 18:20.12 | usr13 | Trying to get debian installed on an HP laptop, er, well, it's actually installed but Xserver not configured. |
| 18:20.22 | elmo909 | no, for some reason the order of booting in bios changed itself, but after I went in and "re-changed" it debian booted up fine |
| 18:20.25 | usr13 | And I've yet to manually configure for lcd |
| 18:20.40 | usr13 | using xf86config but not sure what choices to make |
| 18:21.01 | usr13 | It appears to be using XFree86 not xorg |
| 18:21.16 | usr13 | Does knoppix use XFree86? |
| 18:21.26 | thingfish | usr13: use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. also /msg dpgk xmd5 |
| 18:21.41 | ke6isf | usr13: I think it does.... |
| 18:21.41 | usr13 | I'm thinking I could just copy the config file.. |
| 18:21.42 | thingfish | usr13: who knows what knoppix uses. |
| 18:21.44 | usr13 | thingfish: ok |
| 18:21.47 | usr13 | I'll try |
| 18:22.10 | thingfish | usr13: read what dpkg told you - if you've used xf86config, you'll have to take those steps. |
| 18:22.17 | webwolf_27 | the guys bei #knoppix probably do |
| 18:22.30 | thingfish | well of couse. |
| 18:22.30 | usr13 | running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 now |
| 18:22.33 | thingfish | *course |
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| 18:22.44 | m4lu6 | hmm. here's something .... i've got 5 hard disks. 4 400G drives being used as a RAID, and 1 sata which i'd like to use as / ... grub keeps installing to mbr of hd0, which is drive #1 of the raid array, and not hd4, which is my sata drive. |
| 18:22.55 | m4lu6 | Who knows how to get around this "Feature" of the debian installer? |
| 18:22.56 | usr13 | "/msg dpgk xmd5" ? |
| 18:23.14 | stew | !tell usr13 about xmd5 |
| 18:23.14 | ke6isf | usr13: Type that without the quotes or the question mark. |
| 18:23.20 | usr13 | I would be willing to switch to xorg if it's easier or better? |
| 18:23.41 | stew | usr13: its not noticably different for most |
| 18:23.51 | ke6isf | usr13: For the short time I was using it in mandrake, I saw no difference between it or XFree. |
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| 18:24.24 | webwolf_27 | the main differances are lisence |
| 18:25.37 | thingfish | gosh, sorry - *dpkg |
| 18:26.39 | SerajewelKS | how would i pipe stdout to one command while piping stderr to a different command? |
| 18:27.14 | ke6isf | SerajewelKS: You'd precede the pipe with a 2, I believe. e.g., "grep -i foo bar > baz 2> quux |
| 18:27.34 | SerajewelKS | ke6isf: pipes, not redirections |
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| 18:27.47 | ke6isf | SerajewelKS: I want to say that the same applies. |
| 18:27.58 | ke6isf | SerajewelKS: Though, I've never tried that before.... |
| 18:28.05 | SerajewelKS | ke6isf: i doubt it |
| 18:28.07 | stew | webwolf_27: no, they use the same license |
| 18:28.14 | ke6isf | SerajewelKS: Only one way to find out. |
| 18:28.32 | SerajewelKS | ke6isf: something tells me that "foo 2| bar" == "foo 2 | bar" |
| 18:28.50 | webwolf_27 | stew, since when, I was informed that distrobutions were changing to xorg because of license changes in xfree86 |
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| 18:28.58 | ke6isf | SerajewelKS: In that case, the worst that can happen is that your shell will just gack at you. |
| 18:29.27 | SerajewelKS | ke6isf: which it did |
| 18:29.29 | GFDL | webwolf_27, you were informed wrong |
| 18:29.36 | SerajewelKS | ke6isf: bash: syntax error near unexpected token `2' |
| 18:29.40 | ke6isf | SerajewelKS: Eh, now I know it don't work. |
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| 18:29.49 | stew | webwolf_27: yes, but the version of xfree86 with the changed license (the xfree86 license 1.1) was never in debian. the xorg in debian uses the same xfree86 license 1.0 that the xfree86 in sarge uses |
| 18:30.20 | webwolf_27 | then I stand corrected |
| 18:30.33 | ke6isf | SerajewelKS: I suppose a solution is to redirect stderr and run the program on the resulting file, but that's not efficient. |
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| 18:31.27 | SerajewelKS | ke6isf: something like (command | foo) 2>&1 | bar works i guess |
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| 18:31.50 | priscila | SerajewelKS: use a sh debbuger .. bash -x script or just put set -x on your script |
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| 18:32.42 | Gnabbe | where can i find deb-packages of an updated icq client for testing? |
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| 18:33.18 | cheal | Gnabbe: what do you mean by updated? |
| 18:33.21 | ke6isf | Gnabbe: In the apt repositories, of course. |
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| 18:34.11 | Gnabbe | with updated i mean new enough to have a fix for the recent message problem where you couldn't receive messages |
| 18:34.22 | Gnabbe | had something to do with an update in the icq protocol |
| 18:34.26 | ke6isf | Gnabbe: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 18:34.30 | priscila | Gnabbe: add an entry at your sources.list and run apt-cache search to find it |
| 18:35.06 | Gnabbe | i'm running testing and have already searched for icq with apt-cache |
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| 18:35.52 | GFDL | Gnabbe, which is the version of your current icq client |
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| 18:36.29 | ke6isf | Gnabbe: Tried gaim? |
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| 18:36.56 | Gnabbe | gnomeicu 0.99.7 i think |
| 18:38.42 | Gnabbe | and the gaim version in testing is cvs from 2005-10-15 and the change in the protocol was sometime 2006 |
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| 18:41.12 | ke6isf | Gnabbe: Then the protocol change has to be pretty recent. /msg dpkg info gaim and see if there were any changes. |
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| 18:42.31 | theycallhimtom | Hey i'm getting the following error when installing debian 3.1: debootstrap error couldn't download initscripts. I get that while installing the base system. Any ideas on what I can do? |
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| 18:44.24 | gg | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:44.50 | GFDL | theycallhimtom, debootstrap --resolve-deps ... ? paste your error log somewhere but not here. |
| 18:44.52 | Dunedan | My pc crashed during an upgrade. Now there is a crappy file, which can't be deleted. With "ls -al" I see this: "?--------- ? ? ? ? ? cdwriter_unmount.png". Does anybody know how to delete this file? |
| 18:45.07 | GFDL | Dunedan, hahaha that sucks |
| 18:45.34 | ke6isf | Dunedan: Can you chown or chmod the file? |
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| 18:45.38 | Dunedan | no |
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| 18:45.42 | Dunedan | nothing |
| 18:45.53 | Dunedan | I can't move it, delete it ... |
| 18:45.56 | ke6isf | Dunedan: What does 'file' report? |
| 18:46.00 | dannythm | I have a question |
| 18:46.01 | theycallhimtom | GFDL: is this what you want (my forum post with more info) http://www.debianhelp.org/module-pnForum-viewtopic-topic-11030-start-0.html |
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| 18:46.23 | dannythm | is it worth to upgrade a system from sarge to the etch testing? |
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| 18:46.49 | GFDL | Dunedan, do ls -il on it to get the inode |
| 18:46.49 | nvz | dannythm: not if you have to ask |
| 18:47.28 | nvz | sprint has the most annoying hold music in the world |
| 18:47.29 | Dunedan | output of file: "cdwriter_unmount.png: ERROR: cannot open `cdwriter_unmount.png' (Permission denied)" |
| 18:47.49 | GFDL | do it as root then |
| 18:47.55 | Dunedan | I am root |
| 18:48.16 | GFDL | and that was with ls -il |
| 18:48.34 | ke6isf | Dunedan: What file system is that on? |
| 18:48.38 | Dunedan | reiserfs |
| 18:48.39 | dannythm | nvz: well... I don't ask for myself, I always use a test version, but my girlfriend asked me to upgrade her computer and I dunno it that will be trouble for her |
| 18:48.53 | Dunedan | GFDL: also permission denied |
| 18:49.01 | ke6isf | ...hooboy. |
| 18:49.12 | GFDL | fsck that filesystem then |
| 18:49.18 | theycallhimtom | GFDL: is http://www.debianhelp.org/module-pnForum-viewtopic-topic-11030-start-0.html what you are looking for or do I have to pull the error report off of the system? |
| 18:49.27 | ke6isf | Dunedan: Hope you have a backup. |
| 18:49.33 | dannythm | nvz: The matter I wanted to ask... is it better to wait to ecth become stable? |
| 18:50.19 | GFDL | theycallhimtom, I saw your link but I have no clues now dude , sorry |
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| 18:50.49 | GFDL | (just hope than running fsck doesn't answer you with Permission denied( |
| 18:50.56 | thingfish | dannythm: better to wait, especially if your hardware and sarge work well together. |
| 18:51.21 | Dunedan | Is it possible to fsck a running partition? I don't think so. |
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| 18:51.43 | thingfish | dannythm: many changes happen to etch, and some of them can cause big breakage. |
| 18:51.45 | usr13_ | how can I get irssi installed on Debian? |
| 18:51.53 | gravity | usr13_: Install irssi-text |
| 18:51.58 | usr13_ | is irssi in any of the reopsitories? |
| 18:52.10 | usr13_ | apt-get install irssi-text ? |
| 18:52.13 | gravity | Yes |
| 18:52.15 | sami__ | yep |
| 18:52.20 | GFDL | I think some filesystems can do that... reiserfs? ext3 doesn't |
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| 18:52.27 | gravity | usr13_: In the future, apt-cache search will help you (apt-cache search irssi) |
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| 18:52.35 | usr13_ | How can I update the system... go to latest packages? |
| 18:52.40 | gravity | usr13_: apt-cache is a program worth learning in general |
| 18:52.43 | xsdg | Dunedan: is it mounted read-only or read-write? |
| 18:52.47 | Dunedan | rw |
| 18:52.47 | gravity | usr13_: Are you running sarge? |
| 18:52.54 | gravity | 3.1? |
| 18:52.54 | Dunedan | ok, I will try with knoppix |
| 18:53.07 | Dunedan | it's my root partition |
| 18:53.08 | dannythm | by the way, wich is the lastes best kernel? (I'm installing a distro in a latlop) I'm using 2.6.8 on the rest of my machines, but I dunno if there will be a better one... |
| 18:53.17 | nvz | they could use this hold music to turn people into homicidal maniacs. |
| 18:53.24 | ke6isf | Dunedan: Yeah, run a knoppix disk on it. Hope for the best. You have a backup, right? |
| 18:53.51 | Dunedan | A backup because of this one crappy file? |
| 18:53.52 | nvz | its terrible. you would kill someone just to turn it off |
| 18:53.53 | dannythm | nvz: you said it |
| 18:53.57 | thingfish | dannythm: if you need it, there is a 2.6.15 kernel at backports.org for sarge. |
| 18:54.01 | Dunedan | I'll try knoppix ;-) |
| 18:54.01 | Dunedan | cu |
| 18:54.08 | ke6isf | Dunedan: Apparently, reiserfs has a habit of being destructive on fsck. |
| 18:54.13 | GFDL | Dunedan, that crappy file could be the beginning of the end |
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| 18:56.02 | dannythm | thingfish: thanks ^^^ |
| 18:56.03 | ke6isf | i686 kernels are not suitable for k6 processors, are they? |
| 18:56.11 | thingfish | sure thing, dannythm. |
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| 18:57.04 | sldfsldf | Hello. Trying to update "unstable" just now and "apt-get update" says: GPG error: http://ftp.debian.org unstable Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 010908312D230C5F Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2006) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 18:57.08 | sldfsldf | Any clues? |
| 18:57.08 | thingfish | dannythm: be cautious using backports.org packages. Best to keep it to a minimum. |
| 18:57.31 | nvz | mtr green in the conservatory with the wrench |
| 18:57.43 | dannythm | thingfish: oh, ok, I will, thanks for the advice |
| 18:58.27 | nvz | I was in the ball room fucking miss scarlet all night |
| 18:58.27 | usr13_ | gravity: yes, well, a friend did the initial install, I th ink so.. |
| 18:58.27 | usr13_ | did network install |
| 18:58.39 | dannythm | netinstall powa!! |
| 18:58.49 | caio | hola gente |
| 18:59.10 | GFDL | caio, what? |
| 18:59.28 | gravity | usr13_: Ok. Well, just do apt-get update, but you'll only get security updates with sarge, because it's stable |
| 18:59.30 | dannythm | GFDL: he said "hello dudes" =P |
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| 18:59.36 | mbishop | !es |
| 18:59.36 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:59.36 | GFDL | oh! hi dude |
| 18:59.40 | caio | speaking spanish |
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| 19:00.40 | nvz | I dont know why hold music is always choppy on a cell phone but you never hear it chopping when you are talking |
| 19:00.43 | Mariele | finale |
| 19:00.48 | jvw | sldfsldf: some mirrors are broken today, try another mirror, or try again in 6 hours or so |
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| 19:01.31 | usr13_ | gravity: so how do I switch to unstable? |
| 19:01.46 | usr13_ | (would like to run 2.6 kernel too) |
| 19:01.55 | gravity | usr13_: Well, you can run a 2.6 kernel easily in sarge |
| 19:02.01 | thingfish | usr13_: do linux26 at the install prompt. |
| 19:02.07 | gravity | usr13_: Also, why do you want unstable? It's not for people who want things to work all the time, every time |
| 19:02.13 | thingfish | boy really |
| 19:02.24 | gravity | usr13_: You have to be willing to put up with breakages with unstable, and learn how to fix them without any help at all |
| 19:02.32 | dannythm | usr13_:you can do an apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 19:02.40 | usr13_ | thingfish: "install prompt"? |
| 19:02.47 | gravity | usr13_: It's a fun learning tool, but it's not meant for day-to-day work |
| 19:03.02 | gravity | So if you want to learn, go for it. If you want to not fight with your system doing it, don't use unstable |
| 19:03.03 | thingfish | usr13_: when you boot to the cd, and it sits there at a prompt. |
| 19:03.15 | thingfish | to the first cd or the netinstall cd, whichever. |
| 19:03.51 | usr13_ | still unable to install irssi |
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| 19:04.04 | vin` | what error? |
| 19:04.06 | dannythm | ? |
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| 19:04.45 | usr13_ | so to install 2.6 kernel, I boot to minimal cd again and type linux26 ? |
| 19:04.52 | ke6isf | usr13_: What are the symptoms? |
| 19:04.53 | usr13_ | and it'll install 2.6 kernel for me? |
| 19:05.04 | elmo909 | what's the name on apt-get for x-server? |
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| 19:05.08 | thingfish | usr13_: yep |
| 19:05.19 | dannythm | usr13_: apt-get install irssi-text? |
| 19:05.24 | vin` | usr13_: press F1, read about the options. |
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| 19:05.28 | usr13_ | when I do "apt-get install irssi-text" it tells me: |
| 19:05.39 | thingfish | usr13_: that's if you want to install using a 2.6 kernel. If you just want to add a 2.6 kernel, use apt-get. |
| 19:05.45 | GFDL | don't |
| 19:05.51 | usr13_ | Unable to fetch dome Archives.... |
| 19:06.06 | GFDL | dome Archives?? |
| 19:06.10 | xsdg | elmo909: xserver-xfree86 or xserver-xorg |
| 19:06.12 | ke6isf | What are dome archives? |
| 19:06.14 | GionnyBoss | can anyone help me please? I have problems with debian |
| 19:06.18 | xsdg | elmo909: (in SID; i'm not sure about testing or stable) |
| 19:06.20 | GFDL | i don't know! |
| 19:06.21 | usr13_ | thingfish: do you recommend 2.6 kernel? |
| 19:06.24 | ke6isf | GionnyBoss: Just ask your question. |
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| 19:06.39 | usr13_ | will everything still work? (with 2.6 kernel)? |
| 19:06.43 | gravity | sid, not SID |
| 19:06.45 | ke6isf | usr13_: Yes. |
| 19:06.49 | usr13_ | It's a laptop btw |
| 19:06.54 | xsdg | usr13_: I would strongly suggest 2.6 over 2.4 |
| 19:06.56 | GionnyBoss | ok thanks! I have just installed debian on the other computer... I get an error on my monitor device and I can't start startx |
| 19:06.57 | thingfish | usr13_: well, it's a matter of what hardware you have and what your needs are. |
| 19:07.01 | usr13_ | and trying to fix this up for friend |
| 19:07.02 | dannythm | oh man.... |
| 19:07.24 | xsdg | gravity: hmm; I've always seen it referred to in capital letters (excluding seeing it in lowercase in the topic right now |
| 19:07.28 | GionnyBoss | how can I fix this? is there a way to re-enter the GUI setup for monitor like there was during installation? |
| 19:07.28 | usr13_ | BTW, I did get xserver working |
| 19:07.33 | elmo909 | How do I find out my video card's bus identifier? |
| 19:07.39 | kyncani | !tell GionnyBoss about drxx |
| 19:07.44 | ke6isf | GionnyBoss: /msg dpkg drxx |
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| 19:07.53 | gravity | xsdg: You're reading the wrong places |
| 19:07.58 | thingfish | elmo909: not needed - hit OK. |
| 19:07.58 | GFDL | hm |
| 19:08.00 | gravity | Probably run by people who don't know anything |
| 19:08.03 | xsdg | weird |
| 19:08.21 | usr13_ | if I do "apt-get install linux26" it will install 2.6 kernel? |
| 19:08.29 | dannythm | I am currently trying to install etch onto my latlop, but when selecting the kernel I wan to use it tells me that an error ocurred installing yaird |
| 19:08.30 | thingfish | usr13_: no. |
| 19:08.41 | dooglus | where can I find binaries for a recent version of xfce4? sid has version 4.2.3, but I'm looking for 4.3 |
| 19:08.47 | thingfish | usr13_: do apt-cache search kernel-image and take your pick. |
| 19:08.50 | xsdg | dooglus: 4.3 is svn |
| 19:09.07 | xsdg | dooglus: 4.2.3.2 is the latest released |
| 19:09.08 | dooglus | xsdg: right. can I find a repository with the svn code in binary form? |
| 19:09.13 | usr13_ | so I should boot to minimal install CD and do "linux26" ? |
| 19:09.16 | dannythm | same thing selectign the other option, don't remember it's name... |
| 19:09.24 | thingfish | usr13_: no, I just told you. |
| 19:09.25 | usr13_ | (to install 2.6 kernel)? |
| 19:09.36 | dooglus | xsdg: I know ubuntu's dapper repositories have 4.3, but is it safe to use ubuntu repos with isd? |
| 19:09.39 | dooglus | sid? |
| 19:09.41 | xsdg | dooglus: dunno; I was going to compile svn by hand for myself, but I just realized that pulling the entire xfce repository wasn't the right way to approach that :o) |
| 19:09.45 | xsdg | dooglus: dunno |
| 19:09.57 | usr13_ | thingfish: oh... sorry... I see now. |
| 19:10.05 | vin` | xsdg: the wrong backronym. :) /msg dpkg sid |
| 19:10.08 | dannythm | how can I fix it? |
| 19:10.17 | dooglus | xsdg: 4.3 is quite a lot nicer to use than 4.2.3 from the short time I used it in ubuntu. |
| 19:10.17 | thingfish | usr13_: apt-cache search kernel-image, choose one that suits your hardware, then apt-get install <chosen kernel> |
| 19:10.25 | xsdg | vin`: you're a tad late, but ::nod:: |
| 19:10.31 | xsdg | dooglus: ooh |
| 19:10.43 | xsdg | dooglus: so lemme find the right repository; already got rid of this one: |
| 19:10.48 | xsdg | 19:03:22> [xsdg{perl}@~/files/compile/xfce] |
| 19:10.48 | xsdg | $du -csh xfce/ |
| 19:10.48 | xsdg | 1.2G xfce/ |
| 19:10.56 | dooglus | xsdg: I searched on apt-get.org, but didn't find anything. |
| 19:11.10 | xsdg | dooglus: (I meant svn repo :o) |
| 19:11.11 | usr13_ | Oh, I see... apt-cache search kernel-image gives me a list to ch oose from... got it.. Tnx |
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| 19:11.26 | thingfish | right, sorry if I didn't make that clear, usr13_. |
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| 19:11.48 | dooglus | xsdg: I'm not understanding you. why would pulling the xfce repo be the wrong thing to do if you wanted to compile it? |
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| 19:12.10 | Dunedan | ok, I'm back from Knoppix ^^ |
| 19:12.17 | xsdg | dooglus: I pulled the _entire_ repository, instead of just trunk |
| 19:12.26 | xsdg | dooglus: it was still downloading when I cut it off at 1.2GB :o) |
| 19:12.29 | ke6isf | Dunedan: ...and? |
| 19:12.36 | dooglus | xsdg: ok, I see. I've barely used svn. |
| 19:12.52 | Dunedan | after a "reiserfsck /dev/..." and "reiserfsck --rebuild-tree /dev/..." all is fine now :-) |
| 19:13.01 | ke6isf | Dunedan: Cool. |
| 19:13.03 | priscila | bigua: understandable is an adverb |
| 19:13.06 | atrus | anybody else seeing a bad signature on ftp.debian.org as of today? |
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| 19:13.09 | priscila | ops sorry |
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| 19:13.12 | Dunedan | but that was a strange problem ^^ |
| 19:13.13 | priscila | wrong channel |
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| 19:13.22 | Dunedan | I hope I won't have it again |
| 19:13.22 | thingfish | and it's not an adverb. |
| 19:13.27 | usr13_ | I can't thank you all enough.... (getting lots of good notes here) (saving info due to defective meory..) .... :) |
| 19:13.28 | xsdg | priscila: adjective? |
| 19:13.28 | thingfish | well wait... |
| 19:13.31 | ke6isf | priscila: ...it's an adjective, actually. |
| 19:13.51 | xsdg | the package is understandably late; the text is understandable. |
| 19:13.52 | thingfish | yeah, that's what I was thinking. understandably would be the adverbial form. |
| 19:13.56 | dooglus | priscila: it's an adjective. 'understandably' is the advert. |
| 19:13.57 | priscila | oh thanks ;) |
| 19:13.59 | dooglus | adverb. |
| 19:14.06 | xsdg | #debian-grammar :o) |
| 19:14.18 | dannythm | lol |
| 19:14.23 | ke6isf | dooglus: no, "It's understandable taht you should by a $makeofcar!" is an advert. =^_^= |
| 19:14.24 | elmo909 | why does my kde display settings only give me up to 800x600? |
| 19:14.47 | usr13_ | The runlevels are different than what I'm used to. (I've used RH/Mandrake & Slackware b4 now). |
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| 19:14.52 | xsdg | elmo909: it's trying to save your eyes :o) |
| 19:14.52 | dannythm | elmo909: have t¡you configured the xserver right? |
| 19:14.56 | thingfish | no, because you're modifying it, not is. |
| 19:15.00 | elmo909 | i did when i first got it |
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| 19:15.42 | usr13_ | Looks like I'm just on runlevel 2 but running X ?... no, I see. it's runlevel 4, (same as Slackware) |
| 19:15.52 | dannythm | elmo909: well, if it don't give better res, it souldn't be right configured :) |
| 19:15.54 | Acridian | wich cheap net adapters are supported on debian? (i'm sorry about my bad english)... |
| 19:15.58 | usr13_ | Sorry for thinking out loud here... |
| 19:16.04 | dooglus | priscila: why did you even say "bigua: understandable is an adverb"? bigua hasn't spoken today |
| 19:16.09 | elmo909 | what's the command to restart the config program? |
| 19:16.15 | xsdg | dooglus: "wrong channel" |
| 19:16.25 | xsdg | elmo909: dpkg-reconfigure <package> |
| 19:16.26 | dooglus | ooh, I see |
| 19:16.33 | priscila | :P |
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| 19:16.50 | dannythm | elmo909: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 or xserver-xorg |
| 19:17.13 | dannythm | elmo909: depending on wich xserver you are using |
| 19:17.13 | priscila | i do some mistakes sometimes :) |
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| 19:17.20 | bsims | Is there a quick and simple way to add a progress bar to this snippit of code? `rsync -vv --exclude=$TARGET/ $EXCLUDE -a --delete $source/ $TARGET/$source/` |
| 19:17.24 | usr13_ | Sure would like to get irssi installed on this thing.... |
| 19:17.27 | kyncani | Acridian: ne 2000 pci |
| 19:17.35 | bsims | usr13_: no root? |
| 19:17.36 | dooglus | usr13_: what's the problem? |
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| 19:18.01 | usr13_ | It says: "Temporary failure resolving 'ftp.debian.org' |
| 19:18.19 | usr13_ | must be the server just not responding right now. |
| 19:18.25 | dannythm | yeah |
| 19:18.37 | kyncani | bsims: man rsync ? |
| 19:18.43 | dannythm | but I'm downloading a distro from thre right now |
| 19:18.43 | Acridian | kyncani thanks |
| 19:18.49 | xsdg | usr13_: "temporary failure resolving" is a DNS error |
| 19:19.10 | usr13_ | ftp ftp.debian.org returns.... yes... "Host name lookup failure" |
| 19:19.15 | kyncani | usr13_: ftp.debian.org working here |
| 19:19.40 | bsims | kyncani: I just found that I was wondering if there was a built in bash function for use in wrappers though too |
| 19:19.50 | dooglus | usr13_: "ftp.debian.org has address 128.101.240.212" it says here |
| 19:19.55 | dannythm | oook... now I select the 2,6 686 kernel.... |
| 19:19.57 | usr13_ | but it appears that I have valid DNS in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 19:20.13 | dooglus | usr13_: try hardcoding that in /etc/hosts for now |
| 19:20.31 | usr13_ | I'm unable to .... ok [doogluls] |
| 19:21.04 | dannythm | but when I select the tool to generate the boot initrd (initramfs-tools or yaird) it gives me an error |
| 19:21.08 | elmo909 | i configured xserver, but kde is still not letting me go above 800x600 |
| 19:21.35 | dannythm | elmo909: have you reestarted your xserver? |
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| 19:22.25 | kyncani | bsims: not built in, but dialog gives you access to progress bar from shell. |
| 19:22.32 | dannythm | it tells "an error was returned while trying to instal initamfs-tools package on the target system" why it tells me that? |
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| 19:22.38 | elmo909 | no, i should probably do that :P |
| 19:22.46 | dannythm | elmo909: yeah |
| 19:22.58 | Sonny | Do you know what package do I need to use "gconfig" when I am compiling? |
| 19:23.06 | elmo909 | how do i kill all of the xserver processes then? |
| 19:23.10 | bsims | kyncani: hrm interesting |
| 19:23.12 | dannythm | and more important... how can I fix the problem? |
| 19:23.28 | nvz | yay, I love milking money out of my phone company.. I've racked up about $30 so far this month |
| 19:23.30 | dannythm | elmo909: do ctrl+alt+backspace |
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| 19:24.14 | dannythm | can anyone help me here? |
| 19:24.29 | nvz | would be better if they would send me cash instead of crediting my account, but I'll let that slide.. its obvious they are new to the idea of satisfying customers |
| 19:24.36 | GFDL | dannythm, why do you ask that first |
| 19:24.47 | elmo909 | still not letting me go above 800x600 |
| 19:25.08 | dannythm | GFDL: I just wroted my problem |
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| 19:25.46 | GFDL | ok |
| 19:25.58 | usr13_ | I put 128.101.240.212 ftp.debian.org in /etc/hosts file but still not able to use it :ftp: connect: Network is unreachable" |
| 19:26.25 | usr13_ | sorry. have network config issue. |
| 19:26.29 | dannythm | GFDL: I'm istallign a system, but when it has to create the boot initrd it alyas tells me that the package needed to do that can't be installed |
| 19:26.41 | usr13_ | and fixed it.. |
| 19:26.46 | dannythm | elmo909: wich card do you have? |
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| 19:27.24 | elmo909 | danny, just got it to work |
| 19:27.27 | elmo909 | have a radeon 9700 |
| 19:27.29 | danix | hi can i connect two pcs on a server using 2 network cards? |
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| 19:27.35 | danix | or do i really need a hub? |
| 19:27.52 | dannythm | elmo909:are you using xfree or xorg? |
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| 19:29.01 | dannythm | elmo909: add the xorg urls to your apt-get repository and then install it dong apt-get install xorg, it should work fine |
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| 19:30.50 | dannythm | so, can anyone tell me how can I finish this installaton? |
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| 19:32.44 | usr13_ | I'm running gnome and I think I need to switch to 800x600 |
| 19:32.52 | mathieu | hi, i try to use UTF8 remotely. I can type utf8 characters correctly in local gnome sessions. However, when log into a remote debian machine, i can't type utf8 anymore. I've tried setting $LANG, but it didn't help. Anyone can help me? |
| 19:33.05 | crashbg | can someone help me install lirc kernel module (sarge)? i've tried with m-a but it's complaining and can't compile and create the deb file |
| 19:33.20 | mathieu | i've created the corresponding locales using dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 19:33.29 | crashbg | mathieu: you have to configure locale |
| 19:33.36 | usr13_ | Also, there's an x in the middle of the screen. |
| 19:33.46 | mathieu | crashbg: well, so i did. unless you mean something else? |
| 19:33.47 | usr13_ | actually, it looks ok the way it is, but just not filling the screen. |
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| 19:34.01 | mathieu | $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 19:34.06 | mathieu | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:34.17 | mathieu | and then i set LANG="en_US.UTF-8" |
| 19:34.38 | crashbg | mathieu: i remeber i've search google and found a nice article for debian and utf8 howto |
| 19:34.52 | mathieu | crashbg: ok, thanks, i'll search it |
| 19:35.08 | crashbg | and now i use utf8 on all of the pcs |
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| 19:35.32 | mathieu | i'm about to convert my pgsql database to utf8. it would be useful if my terminal would be in utf8 too :) |
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| 19:36.13 | crashbg | mathieu: i use phpmyadmin, it has nice utf8 support |
| 19:36.16 | MyWay | hi |
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| 19:36.42 | kronoz | hey, is there a way to copy counter strike into the steam directory from a windows partition with css installed |
| 19:36.44 | kronoz | ? |
| 19:37.02 | priscila | crashbg: do you use utf-8 with irssi? |
| 19:37.21 | kronoz | oh, sorry wrong channel :p |
| 19:37.22 | MrNaz | whats the file that dns nameservers go into again? |
| 19:37.26 | MyWay | I have a small problem with the sound. If i use Xmms for listen something other programs doesn't sound, what can i do? |
| 19:37.28 | MrNaz | /etc/resolv ? |
| 19:37.30 | kronoz | /etc/resolv.conf |
| 19:37.33 | MrNaz | aah |
| 19:37.33 | MrNaz | ta |
| 19:37.40 | GFDL | MyWay, install a sound server |
| 19:37.54 | MyWay | GFDL, tell me one please :P |
| 19:37.58 | dannythm | can it be a partition problem? |
| 19:38.12 | priscila | kronoz: now i said on the right channel ;) |
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| 19:38.21 | elmo909 | danny, should I be using xorg or xfree86? |
| 19:38.23 | GFDL | MyWay, arts for KDE |
| 19:38.29 | GFDL | MyWay, esd for gnome |
| 19:38.29 | MyWay | i'm on Gnome |
| 19:38.32 | MyWay | ok |
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| 19:38.43 | dannythm | elmo909: xorg is newer so it should work better |
| 19:38.58 | elmo909 | should i remove xfree and install xorg? |
| 19:39.05 | mbishop | kde 4 is ditching arts for gstreamer |
| 19:39.14 | devtrash | does testing not have support for Apache2 and mod_rewrite? |
| 19:39.14 | gravity | elmo909: Does xfree86 work for you? |
| 19:39.33 | elmo909 | yeah it works fine |
| 19:39.38 | gravity | elmo909: Then why change it? |
| 19:39.38 | MrNaz | how do you get the latest security updates? |
| 19:39.40 | crashbg | so does anyone here have experience with debian and lirc? |
| 19:39.51 | MyWay | i already have esd lib |
| 19:39.55 | elmo909 | compliance? |
| 19:40.00 | MrNaz | does apt-get update get and apply all the latest security patches? |
| 19:40.06 | dannythm | gravity: he can't set res up from 800x600 |
| 19:40.20 | devtrash | MrNaz: if the apt.sources is set right yes |
| 19:40.21 | GFDL | MrNaz, only if your sources are correctly configurated |
| 19:40.24 | MyWay | but if i choose esd for xmms it doesn't works |
| 19:40.26 | gravity | elmo909: Can you post your /var/log/XFree86.0.log? |
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| 19:40.31 | gravity | elmo909: I can look at your res issue |
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| 19:40.37 | MyWay | it says: check your soundcard is configured properly |
| 19:40.39 | MrNaz | devtrash / GFDL yea i just ran apt-setup and selected the closest mirror |
| 19:40.49 | MrNaz | my ISP runs one... i was pleasantly surprised heh |
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| 19:40.51 | elmo909 | gravity, I fixed that. |
| 19:40.57 | Eulex | yay, pdo finally has gotten back the changelogs :) |
| 19:40.59 | gravity | elmo909: Oh, then don't worry about it |
| 19:40.59 | elmo909 | turns out I was just missing a step in the configuration |
| 19:41.06 | MyWay | Eulex hi |
| 19:41.15 | dannythm | elmo909: have you tryed to install the ATI driver? |
| 19:41.17 | Eulex | MyWay, lo :) |
| 19:41.17 | elmo909 | what's the difference between the two anyway? is xfree going to stop developing updates? |
| 19:41.20 | MyWay | :) |
| 19:41.25 | gravity | elmo909: Ok, yeah. If XFree86 is working fine for you, there's no need to change. When the next version of Debian comes out, you'll get Xorg anyway |
| 19:41.45 | devtrash | How do I enable mod_rewite for Apache2? |
| 19:41.47 | gravity | elmo909: Xorg is a new upstream that forked off from XFree86 due to licensing issues. XFree86 is still alive sorta, but no one cares and they're not doing anything of interest it seems |
| 19:41.54 | MyWay | Eulex can you help me with the sound? i can't listen xmms and an other program in the same moment |
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| 19:42.21 | elmo909 | well, by going to debian i was kind of hoping to avoid the reinstall every year or so, and just update as needed |
| 19:42.31 | gravity | elmo909: Then yeah, don't worry about it |
| 19:42.39 | gravity | elmo909: You'll get xorg automatically when the time comes |
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| 19:42.48 | kyncani | MyWay: if you're using gnome, you need to have eevry program use the esd daemon to play sounds |
| 19:43.07 | dannythm | gravity: can ypu help me with mah problem? |
| 19:43.13 | MyWay | kyncani if i use esd for xmms it says: check your soundcard is confnigured properly |
| 19:43.15 | MyWay | why? |
| 19:43.20 | gravity | dannythm: uh... |
| 19:43.39 | dannythm | gravity: hurm.... thanks anyway ^^Uu |
| 19:43.41 | MyWay | with OSS it works, and with alsa the mp3 doesn't start, but if i move the line it works |
| 19:43.45 | kyncani | MyWay: well, you do have the esd daemon started right ? |
| 19:43.50 | MyWay | don't know |
| 19:43.51 | gravity | dannythm: What's the problem? |
| 19:43.53 | MyWay | how can i check it? |
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| 19:44.12 | kyncani | Somewhere in the gnome configuration for sound, there should be a checkbox |
| 19:44.16 | dannythm | gravity: I'm installing the test distro onto a latlop |
| 19:44.38 | gravity | oooh... that reminds me that I need to configure whereami |
| 19:44.41 | dannythm | and when installing the base system, just when I select the kernel to install |
| 19:45.09 | Eulex | MyWay, you've got alsa setup correctly? if several programs all use alsa, they will be able to output sound at the same time. programs that use oss won't be able to do that |
| 19:45.09 | MyWay | kyncani: i found it, i need reboot or i can start it from there now? |
| 19:45.23 | MyWay | Eulex i think yes |
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| 19:45.32 | MyWay | but in xmms alsa works only if i move the song line |
| 19:45.33 | dannythm | gravity: and it trys to install the boot inintrd |
| 19:45.37 | MyWay | or they don't start move :O |
| 19:45.41 | dannythm | gravity: ir returns me an error |
| 19:45.47 | MyWay | so what i have to use alsa or esd? |
| 19:45.50 | gravity | dannythm: What's the error? |
| 19:45.53 | Eulex | MyWay, "move the sng line"? |
| 19:46.03 | MyWay | hm don't know how to explain |
| 19:46.04 | Eulex | MyWay, don't use esd; you don't need to. |
| 19:46.08 | MyWay | when you start an mp3 |
| 19:46.14 | MyWay | the bar line start moving |
| 19:46.17 | MyWay | mine not! |
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| 19:46.24 | dannythm | gravity: it can't install the package needed to create the boot initrd in the specified system |
| 19:46.25 | MyWay | but if i move it at half song |
| 19:46.29 | MyWay | then the sound start work |
| 19:46.37 | gravity | dannythm: Is this with the sarge installer or the etch beta installer? |
| 19:46.45 | MyWay | when the song finish, i have to do the same for the second track, move the bar line |
| 19:46.45 | MyWay | :P |
| 19:46.51 | dannythm | gravity: etch |
| 19:46.56 | Eulex | MyWay, hmm, that sounds strange. what about other players? |
| 19:47.01 | gravity | dannythm: Try the sarge installer |
| 19:47.15 | gravity | dannythm: You can switch it to etch easily after you install a base system |
| 19:47.16 | MyWay | don't know, if i use oss it works, but i can't use xmms and other program, like gaim |
| 19:47.25 | dannythm | gravity: yeah, but I want etch :P |
| 19:47.39 | kyncani | MyWay: you need to use esd or artsd (esd for kde) if you want to have multiple programs access a sound card at the same time. |
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| 19:47.49 | dannythm | gravity: with a apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 19:47.50 | Eulex | kyncani, no. |
| 19:47.53 | gravity | dannythm: Yes |
| 19:47.55 | gravity | dannythm: It's easy |
| 19:48.05 | MyWay | Eulex said i don't need |
| 19:48.05 | MyWay | :P |
| 19:48.23 | dannythm | gravity: I did it last night and it crashed, so i was trying to install it directly |
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| 19:48.28 | Eulex | MyWay, gaim uses libao for audio output. you gotta configure libao to use alsa instead of oss. |
| 19:48.40 | MyWay | how? |
| 19:48.47 | gravity | dannythm: Ok, then you probably want to submit an installation-report |
| 19:48.51 | dannythm | gravity: the problem is not the kernel I choose isn't it? |
| 19:48.57 | gravity | dannythm: I have no idea |
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| 19:48.59 | Eulex | MyWay, by placing "default_driver=alsa09" (without quotes) in /etc/libao.conf |
| 19:49.07 | dannythm | gravity: oh, ok, thanks ^^^ |
| 19:49.09 | MyWay | ok |
| 19:49.26 | dannythm | gravity: so wheere I send an installation report? |
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| 19:49.55 | gravity | dannythm: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch05s03.html#submit-bug |
| 19:50.00 | kyncani | Eulex: well, what do you use to have multiple programs play sound at the same time ? |
| 19:50.10 | MyWay | Eulex: are you sure of quotes? because i see now there aren't :P |
| 19:50.25 | elmo909 | so when the next version of debian comes out, I just type apt-get dist-upgrade and its updated to it? |
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| 19:50.30 | GFDL | a sound server is needed for that |
| 19:50.32 | MyWay | now there is default_driver=oss |
| 19:50.32 | Eulex | kyncani, alsa. |
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| 19:51.03 | Eulex | MyWay, well, I said without quotes. just replace oss with alsa09 in there. |
| 19:51.10 | MyWay | ahhhh |
| 19:51.13 | MyWay | sorry :P |
| 19:51.28 | MyWay | ok did it |
| 19:51.34 | MyWay | and for xmms? |
| 19:51.42 | MyWay | it need alsa? |
| 19:51.44 | Eulex | MyWay, just select alsa in the settings. |
| 19:51.56 | MyWay | Eulex i did it, but don't work |
| 19:52.06 | Eulex | MyWay, well, what doesn't work? |
| 19:52.15 | MyWay | when i start a song |
| 19:52.21 | MyWay | i can't listen anything because the bar won't move |
| 19:52.27 | MyWay | it's always at 0:00 |
| 19:52.50 | Eulex | MyWay, what about other players? |
| 19:52.58 | EvilGuru | can I get rid of Exim-4? |
| 19:53.16 | Eulex | !why mta |
| 19:53.29 | MyWay | Eulex i can try with vlc haven't others |
| 19:53.29 | Eulex | !why an mta |
| 19:53.29 | dpkg | An MTA should be on most unix(ish) systems to provide a way for various services to deliver asynchronous system or error messages. |
| 19:53.42 | nvz | EvilGuru: yes, but you will need to replace it with something else |
| 19:53.49 | Eulex | EvilGuru, yes, but you should replace it with another mta. |
| 19:54.03 | Eulex | MyWay, hmm, ok. dunno if vlc does alsa. |
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| 19:54.35 | MyWay | with vlc i can't listen anything but the bar move |
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| 19:54.51 | Eulex | MyWay, are your mixer settings set correctly? |
| 19:54.56 | EvilGuru | I do not have an MTA on my Gentoo system as far as I know |
| 19:54.59 | MyWay | i don't know |
| 19:55.01 | MyWay | how to check them? |
| 19:55.04 | EvilGuru | and am not all that sure why I need one |
| 19:55.05 | nvz | bah I am getting to the gmail login on m.google.com now, but when I try to login it tells me my browser's cookie functionality is turned off. which it is not.. the browser supports cookies and doesnt support turning them off |
| 19:55.12 | Eulex | MyWay, run alsamixer. |
| 19:55.14 | blondie | what do I need to do to gdm to be able to login to other *nix machines from its login screen? |
| 19:55.15 | Eulex | !why an mta |
| 19:55.15 | dpkg | An MTA should be on most unix(ish) systems to provide a way for various services to deliver asynchronous system or error messages. |
| 19:55.19 | Eulex | EvilGuru, ^^ |
| 19:55.20 | resiak | nvz: what browser is this? |
| 19:55.28 | mishael | is something going on with ftp master? |
| 19:56.10 | GFDL | mishael, which ftp master |
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| 19:56.18 | EvilGuru | applications are more than welcome to use a log file or to dump it out to a terminal |
| 19:56.19 | atrus | apparantly there was a bad sync from ftp-master.debian.org to ftp.debian.org and a bunch of other mirrors |
| 19:56.27 | GFDL | ah that one |
| 19:56.31 | resiak | EvilGuru: what if you don't happen to be watching that file or terminal?= |
| 19:56.33 | mishael | ftp.debian.org |
| 19:56.43 | nvz | resiak: Samsung MIC 1.1.4 its listed as supported and working on m.google.com |
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| 19:56.52 | resiak | *shrug* |
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| 19:57.03 | MyWay | Eulex how do i close it now? |
| 19:57.07 | MyWay | for save new settings |
| 19:57.08 | EvilGuru | resiak: then it will go un-noticed until I look at it |
| 19:57.17 | resiak | and what if it needs to get your attention/ |
| 19:57.17 | atrus | mishael: wait it out, or try a different mirror. i'm switched to ftp.fi.debian.org for the moment, and it seems to have everything. |
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| 19:57.24 | Eulex | MyWay, ctrl-c? |
| 19:57.33 | mishael | ok thanks |
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| 19:57.46 | EvilGuru | how will an mta get my attention? Send me an email? |
| 19:57.50 | atrus | maybe somebody should get that into the topic? |
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| 19:58.05 | mishael | astru: thanks |
| 19:58.09 | lightcap | do I need to install something besides the snmpd package to see my cpu counters? I don't see them in the snmpwalk output |
| 19:58.11 | Robi- | apt, pdo? |
| 19:58.12 | apt | [pdo] http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it? |
| 19:58.12 | MyWay | hm always the same |
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| 19:58.31 | mishael | atrus: thanks |
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| 19:59.02 | Robi- | hrm, how can I install pdo.so |
| 19:59.10 | Robi- | packages doens't find it apt-file doesn't find it |
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| 19:59.24 | Robi- | pear install pdo doens't work, nor pecl/pdo |
| 19:59.34 | Robi- | isn't there pdo for php4 ? |
| 19:59.38 | EvilGuru | first I do not at all understand the config of Exim-4 (and barely understand what it does) and will not gain a lot out of having my pc sending an email to me |
| 19:59.50 | resiak | EvilGuru: so use postfix, say |
| 19:59.55 | resiak | *gives up* |
| 19:59.56 | kyncani | Eulex: well, you were right, alsa now works with multiple programs at the same time |
| 20:00.00 | nkuttler | Robi-: pdo? |
| 20:00.02 | atrus | dpkg: tell Robi- about enter |
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| 20:01.06 | EvilGuru | so, anyway, will my system break if I remove it and do not replace it with something else? |
| 20:01.29 | Robi- | nkuttler: its db abstraction |
| 20:01.34 | Robi- | atrus: bite me |
| 20:01.57 | resiak | EvilGuru: yes |
| 20:02.09 | resiak | EvilGuru: indeed, dpkg won't let you |
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| 20:02.25 | resiak | EvilGuru: (you can make a fake mta package with equivs, but there's really no good reason to) |
| 20:02.45 | EvilGuru | is it using up a lot of memory? |
| 20:02.48 | Eulex | kyncani, yes it does |
| 20:02.53 | blondie | EvilGuru: no! |
| 20:02.57 | fluxdude_home | I've done some repartitioning of my system and now when I boot I get the following error: |
| 20:02.59 | fluxdude_home | kernel panic - not syncing: I/O error reading memory image |
| 20:03.11 | resiak | Shadowcat: :( |
| 20:03.13 | resiak | erm |
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| 20:03.20 | Sonny | Hi....the objective of make-kpkg shoulb be now "linux_image" or "kernel_image" ?? my doubt is because the change of the name of the packages |
| 20:03.21 | scarynetworkguy | Hehe. |
| 20:03.28 | resiak | scarynetworkguy: but I'm drmed, remember? |
| 20:03.28 | EvilGuru | well the settings I gave it when it was configured are a load of junk, so a long as it does not moan I am happy |
| 20:03.32 | devtrash | How do I enable mod_rewite for Apache2? |
| 20:03.38 | resiak | devtrash: man a2enmod |
| 20:03.46 | scarynetworkguy | resiak: Since when? And why didn't I get the memo? |
| 20:03.48 | elmo909 | can anyone suggest a tv tuner program for debian? |
| 20:04.00 | devtrash | a2enmod says "no such module mod_rewrite" |
| 20:04.28 | Eulex | Sonny, man make-kpkg |
| 20:04.28 | curt | Sonny, if your making your own it doesn't matter |
| 20:04.29 | atrus | Sonny: "make-kpkg --targets" always shows a list of what's available |
| 20:04.32 | nkuttler | devtrash: run a2enmod without parameters and read the list |
| 20:04.45 | resiak | scarynetworkguy: it's in logloglog |
| 20:04.49 | MyWay | Eulex what can i do? |
| 20:05.14 | Eulex | MyWay, I don't know. it sounds like a buggy driver. |
| 20:05.26 | MyWay | hm |
| 20:05.35 | Sonny | tanks |
| 20:05.41 | Robi- | wow not even google has any useful pdo.so info |
| 20:05.48 | scarynetworkguy | Ahh. |
| 20:06.14 | resiak | Robi-: why are you looking for a pda.so? |
| 20:06.15 | SerajewelKS | can i run a pipe inside a loop? i have several files i want to loop through (for i in ...) and i want each command in the loop to pipe to the next loop iteration's command |
| 20:06.17 | resiak | erm, pdo |
| 20:06.22 | Robi- | nkuttler: http://us2.php.net/pdo |
| 20:06.38 | Robi- | resiak: php app requires it for sqlite3 db access |
| 20:06.47 | resiak | Oh, I see |
| 20:06.48 | Robi- | and it's pdo.so |
| 20:06.50 | resiak | sorry |
| 20:07.00 | Robi- | see url |
| 20:07.09 | resiak | I thought you'd misconstrued the instruction "look at pdo" to mean pdo.so not pdo.debian.org :) |
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| 20:07.15 | curt | SerajewelKS, I don't see why not... |
| 20:07.16 | kyncani | SerajewelKS: you can use named pipes |
| 20:07.32 | resiak | kyncani: that's really, really, really cunning |
| 20:07.46 | SerajewelKS | alright, a fairly *simple* way? |
| 20:07.58 | resiak | that is a fairly simple way ;) |
| 20:07.59 | Eulex | SerajewelKS, store the middle result in a variable? |
| 20:08.00 | Robi- | resiak: thanks for checking :) |
| 20:08.10 | SerajewelKS | Eulex: a 4mb postscript document? |
| 20:08.21 | Eulex | SerajewelKS, ouch. maybe not :) |
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| 20:08.44 | SerajewelKS | and we're talking an unknown number of loops. so FIFOs are rather out of the question. |
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| 20:08.49 | resiak | *shrug* |
| 20:09.14 | Robi- | anyone speak polish? i need a phrase translated.. |
| 20:09.31 | Silent_al | !pl |
| 20:09.31 | dpkg | pl is probably sometimes referred to as "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl |
| 20:09.40 | Robi- | haah |
| 20:09.59 | Robi- | noone there |
| 20:10.01 | Robi- | but thanks |
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| 20:10.04 | kyncani | SerajewelKS: you want pipes without fifos ? Well, as Eulex dais, store result in a temp var. |
| 20:10.06 | Silent_al | np :) |
| 20:10.37 | SerajewelKS | kyncani: no way for one loop iteration to pipe to the next? |
| 20:10.48 | fluxdude_home | does anyone know why I get "kernel panic - not syncing: I/O error reading memory image" when trying to boot? |
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| 20:11.37 | MyWay | Someone can help me? I have a problem with Alsa, i can't listen anything |
| 20:11.51 | tray | hi. what should i enter when the debian install starts? it prompts for network info. it displays my temporary adsl ip address for hostname and then gives some dslaccess.co.uk address for my domain. i gather both are taken from my adsl modem that is connected by an ethernet card. do i edit these entries to my own choosing or leave them? i am using a standalone machine. |
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| 20:11.59 | UnL0cK | liable hihi |
| 20:12.17 | dannythm | awww... I think I'll install sarge again... |
| 20:12.38 | dannythm | I hope my error report is of some help |
| 20:13.06 | Eulex | tray, those were retrieved with dhcp, right? just leave them as is. |
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| 20:13.23 | unstable | How can I get my fn key to work on my Toshiba laptop? I installed toshset toshutils and fnfxd, and I have the latest bios. But I still can't seem to modprobe toshiba_acpi, I get "FATAL: Error inserting toshiba_acpi (/lib/modules/2.6.15-1-686/kernel/drivers/acpi/toshiba_acpi.ko): No such device" anyone that cna help me/ |
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| 20:14.27 | kyncani | SerajewelKS: well, where should the next iteration send its output ?? |
| 20:14.45 | tray | Eulex, yes i beleive they were. can i change the localhost name? otherwise i gather my machine will be called by an ip address allocated by my isp, right? |
| 20:15.33 | UnL0cK | liable can you pass me that url again, the one of win2linux |
| 20:15.35 | UnL0cK | ? |
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| 20:15.50 | sponzor | i installed knoppix to hd. and reboot the box. but i forgot to set up the boot diskette. now i m beck to knoppix with live on cd. how to create boot discette so i can access the one knoppix that is installed on the hd |
| 20:16.11 | dannythm | so to get the test version on this latlop that wont install, the advice is to install sarge, then update? |
| 20:16.23 | dannythm | sponzor: just use grub install |
| 20:16.38 | Alapzaj | hy! i have a big problem, i installed a open-source ati driver , and x crased completly! How can i reinstall x and xorg completly. I tryed apt-get install reinstall x-server-xorg but apt doesn't can remove fireglrx driver! pls help me |
| 20:16.39 | Eulex | tray, yes, I believe so. |
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| 20:16.50 | pipeline | sponzor: Knoppix isn't what we do here. |
| 20:16.52 | sponzor | that was easy |
| 20:16.53 | sponzor | tnx |
| 20:16.55 | pipeline | sponzor: Try #knoppix |
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| 20:17.25 | evghoul | hi) |
| 20:18.14 | dannythm | hi |
| 20:18.22 | sexy-hot-girl | hi |
| 20:18.34 | gravity | ugh |
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| 20:19.22 | dhesryhsew | .: AdultMeetingPlace:. http://s2.1-2-free-forums.com wannabe a moderator for the new forum? |
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| 20:19.59 | dannythm | uh...oh.... |
| 20:20.10 | fluxdude_home | my boot and root partitions are on an extended linux partition, can grub handle this? |
| 20:20.14 | MyWay | Someone can help me with Alsa? I Can't listen anything |
| 20:20.40 | loggygreg | fluxdude_home: yes |
| 20:20.41 | priscila | MyWay: is it configurated ? |
| 20:20.45 | blondie | !paste |
| 20:20.45 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 20:20.49 | MyWay | priscila: yes |
| 20:20.54 | Omnistegan | can anyone give the the command for alsa configuration? |
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| 20:20.55 | evghoul | I have a question about modules: is there a way to make a "black list" of modules? |
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| 20:21.03 | MyWay | the bar now moves, but i can't listen |
| 20:21.04 | curt | alsaconf |
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| 20:21.07 | evghoul | Omnistegan, alsaconf |
| 20:21.08 | Omnistegan | thank you |
| 20:21.18 | priscila | MyWay: you can try adjuste audio volumes .. |
| 20:21.31 | MyWay | it's not the volume |
| 20:21.31 | Eulex | !blacklist |
| 20:21.32 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, blacklist is Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 20:21.37 | Eulex | evghoul, ^^ |
| 20:21.46 | blondie | anyone who uses rdiff-backup know what these errors mean: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2053 ? |
| 20:21.58 | evghoul | Eulex, thanks %) |
| 20:22.19 | Eulex | evghoul, yw :) |
| 20:22.37 | priscila | MyWay: why did you said wich it doesnt work? |
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| 20:22.57 | MyWay | because the bar move, but i don't listen anything |
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| 20:23.06 | fluxdude_home | loggygreg: thanks, I don't know why I'm haveing trouble booting after re-organising my partitions... |
| 20:23.14 | Gnea | MyWay: are your speakers plugged in? |
| 20:23.28 | warren1 | does anybody know where i could find an apache 2.2.0 package that will work with glibc 2.3.2 (and not require 2.3.5)? |
| 20:23.34 | MyWay | yes Gnea, i can listen with vcl the audio of my divx |
| 20:23.39 | MyWay | but not with xmms myu songs |
| 20:23.58 | Gnea | MyWay: are you sure the output is using the proper device? |
| 20:24.09 | MyWay | i don't know |
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| 20:24.59 | Gnea | maybe you should check |
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| 20:25.53 | evghoul | fluxdude_home, what kind of problems? |
| 20:26.10 | unstable | What is a good channel to ask about laptops and hotkeys? |
| 20:26.13 | fluxdude_home | I get kernel panic - not syncing: I/O error reading memory image |
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| 20:26.31 | unstable | fluxdude_home: Did you recently compile your kernel? |
| 20:26.31 | GFDL | ouch |
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| 20:26.39 | evghoul | try to reinstall boot loader |
| 20:26.41 | fluxdude_home | I'm running vmlinuz-2.6.15-1-k7 stock debian kernel |
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| 20:27.01 | unstable | fluxdude_home: Did you compile that kernel, or just apt-get install it? |
| 20:27.03 | evghoul | i've had like problems today |
| 20:27.06 | fluxdude_home | i've done that already to point grub to my boot partition for menu,lst |
| 20:27.18 | orbweaver | Help please - gshutdown won't work after latest woody upgrade. |
| 20:27.23 | fluxdude_home | apt-get installed the kernel |
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| 20:27.37 | bockman | anyone know what package glib-config is in? |
| 20:27.44 | unstable | !tell orbweaver about woody |
| 20:28.12 | streuner | !tell bockman about search |
| 20:28.18 | unstable | bockman: libglib1.2-dev |
| 20:28.25 | bockman | glib1.2? but i need glib2.0 |
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| 20:28.37 | bockman | i've installed all of the glib2.0 packages :\ alright |
| 20:28.43 | orbweaver | !tell ? |
| 20:29.24 | ccady | What steps can I take to analyse why my Debian box hangs? It stops responding to anything--screen is blank, no network (no SSH) etc. How/where should I log stuff to find out what happened, to read after a reboot? |
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| 20:29.36 | orbweaver | I did the latest security upgrade for woody .. only gshutdown doesn't seem to work. |
| 20:29.47 | unstable | !tell ccady about logs |
| 20:30.04 | unstable | orbweaver: dist-upgrade to sarge |
| 20:30.06 | MyWay | Who can help me with Alsa && XMMS? |
| 20:30.16 | streuner | !ask |
| 20:30.16 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 20:30.20 | unstable | !tell orbweaver about woody->sarge |
| 20:30.31 | Gnea | !woody->sarge |
| 20:30.35 | unstable | MyWay: Go to preferences in xmms and change your audio output |
| 20:30.38 | MyWay | When i start a song, the bar of XMMS don't move |
| 20:30.43 | MyWay | unstable: i did it |
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| 20:30.47 | Gnea | MyWay: i already told you what to do |
| 20:30.54 | MyWay | what gnea? |
| 20:31.00 | warren1 | anybody in here a debian-guru for hire? what would it cost to properly install apache 2.2 and subversion 1.3 on an otherwise stable sarge install? |
| 20:31.01 | Gnea | MyWay: same thing unstable did |
| 20:31.09 | MyWay | i already did it.. |
| 20:31.11 | Gnea | MyWay: you're using alsa? |
| 20:31.14 | MyWay | yes |
| 20:31.14 | unstable | MyWay: apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils; alsaconf; |
| 20:31.15 | orbweaver | unstable .. I did an upgrade to sarge some time ago and it left things inoperable .. then went back to woody |
| 20:31.17 | loggygreg | MyWay: in xmms right click on the interface choose option->preferences->output plugin ->alas 1.2.10 |
| 20:31.19 | GFDL | MyWay, idea: install beep-media-player and see if you get the same behaviour |
| 20:31.22 | Gnea | MyWay: are you in the audio group? |
| 20:31.23 | unstable | MyWay: then as non-root type "alsamixer" and turn levels up all the way |
| 20:31.26 | MyWay | loggygreg: already did it :P |
| 20:31.27 | streuner | warren1: /msg dpkg backports |
| 20:31.38 | MyWay | one for time please! |
| 20:31.39 | warren1 | streuner: there's no backport for 2.2 |
| 20:31.39 | streuner | warren1: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 20:31.46 | unstable | orbweaver: How did you go back to woody? |
| 20:31.53 | GFDL | MyWay, beep-media-player is a replacement for xmms |
| 20:32.00 | MyWay | ok unstable |
| 20:32.02 | Gnea | MyWay: what? just read and go |
| 20:32.03 | orbweaver | unstable .. I had a backup on a second disk |
| 20:32.26 | unstable | orbweaver: Do "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 20:32.27 | streuner | warren1: are there packages in unstable? |
| 20:32.33 | warren1 | streuner: nope |
| 20:32.36 | unstable | orbweaver: This will give you the latest softwares on your woody system. |
| 20:32.47 | unstable | orbweaver: Did you already have the latest or no? is apt-get doing anything? |
| 20:32.50 | MyWay | gnea |
| 20:32.54 | MyWay | what's the audio group? |
| 20:33.04 | warren1 | i can't find any packages of apache 2.2 that don't require glibc 2.3.5 |
| 20:33.06 | streuner | warren1: why do you think you need apache 2.2? |
| 20:33.13 | Gnea | MyWay: the audio group is the audio group - type 'id' to see if you're in it |
| 20:33.20 | warren1 | streuner: i don't see how that's a relevant question |
| 20:33.21 | dannythm | so, when my sarge is insgtalled, to upgrade it to ecth, the only thin I have to do is a "apt-get dist-upgrade" ? |
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| 20:33.25 | unstable | orbweaver: If you dist-upgrade from woody to sarge, and you don't have the latest woody softwares first...it will be unsucessful |
| 20:33.33 | unstable | dannythm: yes |
| 20:33.39 | MyWay | yes gnea |
| 20:33.41 | MyWay | i'm in it |
| 20:33.46 | Gnea | ok |
| 20:33.47 | unstable | dannythm: You have to edit your sources.list also |
| 20:33.56 | MyWay | the problem is if i use oss it works |
| 20:33.58 | orbweaver | unstable .. woody has been working fine .. so I was surprised at the failure of one package. |
| 20:34.07 | MyWay | but i can't use it because if i use it gaim and other programs can't sound |
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| 20:34.18 | streuner | warren1: so its a secret? |
| 20:34.21 | streuner | :-) |
| 20:34.22 | Gnea | MyWay: what soundcard do you have? |
| 20:34.26 | unstable | !tell dannythm about sarge->etch |
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| 20:34.33 | MyWay | a via embedded gnea |
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| 20:34.44 | unstable | orbweaver: What are you trying to do anyway? |
| 20:34.55 | warren1 | streuner: no... but if i say "i need this, how much will it cost?" then why do you care why i need it? |
| 20:34.56 | orbweaver | unstable .. I did update to the latest woody at the time but something got screwed up . I think it was that I tried to follow the instructions .. haha .. and used aptitude |
| 20:34.58 | fluxdude_home | i thought the debian kernel was supposed to support everything, is it possible that it doesn't support linux extended partitions? |
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| 20:35.19 | streuner | warren1: so we have to just answer your questions? |
| 20:35.24 | r121 | might be a dumb question, but if my pc uses pc100/133 ram, will the newer stuff (ie pc2700, pc3200) work in it? For whatever reason, it's cheaper than pc133 |
| 20:35.27 | Gnea | MyWay: ah, that's why - the soundcard is crap, you can only use one thing with it at a time - an emu10k would be able to accept multiple sources at once... you may want to consider getting one or using some sort of sound daemon (like esound or artsd) |
| 20:35.29 | orbweaver | unstable .. right now .. I'm just puzzled as to why my gshutdown stopped working |
| 20:35.40 | Eulex | fluxdude_home, umh... it should |
| 20:35.47 | unstable | orbweaver: What are you trying to do? |
| 20:35.51 | Gnea | r121: nope, completely different design |
| 20:35.51 | MyWay | gnea how can i start esound? |
| 20:36.00 | fluxdude_home | then why can't I boot on my new extended partitions? |
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| 20:36.13 | Eulex | Gnea, I've already been telling him to use alsa. He even has problems just replaying *one* sound at a time in xmms |
| 20:36.17 | r121 | Gnea: ok, thanks |
| 20:36.17 | Gnea | !esound |
| 20:36.18 | dpkg | from memory, esd is the enhanced segfault daemon, or the Enlightened Sound Daemon. Some interesting things that can be done include using 'mpg123' on a remote computer, and having it connect to a local esound daemon. AKA: Evil Sound Daemon, or "my views on esd are mostly unprintable." -- Alan Cox |
| 20:36.19 | streuner | !tell warren1 about real question |
| 20:36.21 | warren1 | streuner: you don't have to do anything you don't want to do... however, i'm stating that i need apache 2.2 and subversion 1.3 installed on an otherwise stable sarge machine and i'm asking how much it would cost for a debian guru to do this.... |
| 20:36.26 | orbweaver | unstable .. I'd like to fix gshutdown before considering any upgrades to sarge |
| 20:36.37 | unstable | orbweaver: What are you trying to do? |
| 20:36.42 | unstable | !tell orbweaver about ask |
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| 20:37.05 | warren1 | streuner: i need subversion 1.3 because of it's ruby bindings and i need apache 2.2 because of it's rewritten authentication model as well as it's database connection pooling (dbd) |
| 20:37.10 | Gnea | MyWay: you really need to just stop all sound processes and run xmms by itself, while it uses alsa - there's really no other way |
| 20:37.10 | streuner | warren1: if you would tell us why you think you need it, somebody could say something then... |
| 20:37.24 | dannythm | unstable: thanks ^^ |
| 20:37.53 | MyWay | hm |
| 20:37.53 | gravity | warren1: Are they in backports.org? (not sure if that was asked already) |
| 20:38.00 | warren1 | gravity: they are not |
| 20:38.02 | MyWay | gnea can't i use |
| 20:38.04 | gravity | hrm |
| 20:38.10 | MyWay | alsa or esound for xmms |
| 20:38.15 | MyWay | and oss for gaim? |
| 20:38.17 | warren1 | backports has subversion 1.2 |
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| 20:38.25 | Gnea | MyWay: you can, but it's gonna sound like shit |
| 20:38.32 | MyWay | why? :O |
| 20:38.33 | warren1 | debian experimenta has subversion 1.3, but only apache 2.0, not apache 2.2 anywhere |
| 20:38.37 | Gnea | cuz it does |
| 20:38.49 | agruman | i have the weirdest problem, not debian related but here it goes, i have a (old) compaq mb which boots ok if no keyboard (ps/2 contact) is present, but if i plug in a keyboard it automatically starts the powersupply as soon as it gets power but the cpu-fan is idle, i suppose compaq didnt use ps/2 standard or something anyone here who have had experience with this before? |
| 20:38.53 | MyWay | but better of one for one isn't it? |
| 20:38.54 | MyWay | :P |
| 20:39.08 | orbweaver | bye |
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| 20:39.53 | unstable | agruman: update your bios |
| 20:40.03 | pinucset | somebody knows when debian will have xgl-compiz in repositories? (for doing something like apt-get install xgl-compiz) |
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| 20:40.20 | opnsrc | My internet connection works every other time I boot |
| 20:40.24 | warren1 | i'm at the point where i've managed to compile apache and subversion from source the way i want... but it isn't installing nicely with packages and dependencies on libapr, libaprutils and neon) three libraries apache/svn use.... |
| 20:40.30 | gravity | pinucset: Not until Xorg 7.0 goes in to unstable |
| 20:40.35 | warren1 | checkinstall seems like it'd work, but it still seems hacky at best |
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| 20:40.38 | opnsrc | I have to turn on my comp, shut it down, and turn it on again for it to work, every time I want it |
| 20:40.41 | opnsrc | How do I fix this? |
| 20:40.43 | gravity | pinucset: After that, it'll get worked on seriously |
| 20:41.08 | warren1 | and i'm now trying to figure out if there's anybody in here, who does debian sysadmin consulting... and could correctly and properly build the packages for me and how much it'd cost |
| 20:41.09 | dannythm | any ideas about when is kde4 cmming? |
| 20:41.16 | agruman | unstable are there one which dont need keyboard input to do that? guess il google for some, dunno what model this mb was used with. |
| 20:41.29 | streuner | dannythm: #debian-kde |
| 20:42.06 | pinucset | gravity |
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| 20:42.09 | pinucset | thanks |
| 20:42.39 | opnsrc | does anyone have any ideas how I can fix this problem? |
| 20:42.42 | opnsrc | What should I reinstall? |
| 20:42.45 | opnsrc | (if anything) |
| 20:42.55 | mejo | for some reason i have only nine ttys, but in /etc/inittab i have 12 configured. what could be the reason for that? |
| 20:43.07 | opnsrc | what software deals with the internet or internet connections |
| 20:43.09 | opnsrc | ? |
| 20:43.57 | GFDL | opnsrc, which kind of internet connection |
| 20:44.03 | GFDL | opnsrc, dsl, modem _ |
| 20:44.05 | opnsrc | DSl through an ethernet card |
| 20:44.13 | opnsrc | it detects the ethernet card every time |
| 20:44.33 | opnsrc | but every other time it detects the internet connection. If I turn it on and restart it won't, I have to turn it on, shut down, and turn it back on |
| 20:44.40 | opnsrc | I'm pretty sure it's a software problem though |
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| 20:45.09 | GFDL | opnsrc, why restart? doesn't pon yourispscript work? |
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| 20:45.46 | opnsrc | what's that? |
| 20:46.12 | opnsrc | where is my isp script? |
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| 20:46.55 | GFDL | opnsrc, /etc/ppp/peers |
| 20:47.22 | opnsrc | I should just type pon dsl-provider then |
| 20:47.23 | opnsrc | ? |
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| 20:48.17 | Babbelaar | what to do when u loose your root password? |
| 20:48.26 | SerajewelKS | Babbelaar: boot from a livecd and edit /etc/passwd |
| 20:48.34 | nvz | Babbelaar: hack |
| 20:48.34 | Storkme | how can i change the temp language to french in OpenOffice writer ? |
| 20:48.51 | nvz | Babbelaar: boot with init=/bin/sh |
| 20:48.58 | Babbelaar | i did |
| 20:49.02 | opnsrc | I'm going to try and reinstall ppp |
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| 20:49.13 | Babbelaar | using grub |
| 20:49.20 | streuner | Storkme: install the language package of it |
| 20:49.23 | Babbelaar | put it after boto at the bottom |
| 20:49.25 | Babbelaar | that right? |
| 20:49.32 | Babbelaar | *boot |
| 20:49.33 | streuner | Storkme: and change it in preferences |
| 20:49.37 | nvz | Babbelaar: nope |
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| 20:49.49 | Babbelaar | then where? |
| 20:49.57 | streuner | Storkme: or read the README about |
| 20:50.00 | nvz | Babbelaar: in grub you select the image in the menu you want to boot and you hit 'e' or something to edit the command line and put it there |
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| 20:50.06 | Storkme | streuner, how do i do that? install the language package? |
| 20:50.24 | streuner | Storkme: via apt-get install? |
| 20:50.30 | GFDL | opnsrc, just try to use pon and plog and see what the log says |
| 20:50.32 | Babbelaar | yea i pressed e and added it as a last line |
| 20:50.40 | streuner | Storkme: /msg dpkg search |
| 20:50.55 | Babbelaar | below "boot" |
| 20:50.55 | Storkme | openoffice.org-l10n-fr - French language package for OpenOffice.org ? |
| 20:51.07 | streuner | sound well to me |
| 20:51.13 | Storkme | okay, cool |
| 20:51.19 | Storkme | thanks streuner |
| 20:51.23 | streuner | np |
| 20:51.32 | kyncani | Babbelaar: boot knoppix and from knoppix remove root password in /etc/shadow |
| 20:51.42 | opnsrc | "tail: cannot open `/var/log/syslog' for reading: No such file or directory" |
| 20:51.51 | opnsrc | should I make the file? |
| 20:51.52 | nvz | Babbelaar: I am not a gurb expert, I prefer lilo. its simple. but anything below "boot" is pretty much useless as boot is the command to take action and after that it stops reading any commands its passing control to the uncompressed kernel image |
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| 20:52.00 | Babbelaar | i did |
| 20:52.04 | streuner | opnsrc: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500' say? |
| 20:52.13 | Babbelaar | but when i checked the entire line was gone |
| 20:52.24 | Babbelaar | what is it supposed to lookl ike again? |
| 20:52.56 | Omnistegan | Does anyone have a working link to a working CVS cedega script? |
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| 20:53.05 | opnsrc | Some timezone data stuff |
| 20:53.06 | Babbelaar | root:<password>:something:something:something::: |
| 20:53.13 | opnsrc | I think it's because I deleted all that log stuff |
| 20:53.18 | opnsrc | I figure they were just logs so I deleted them |
| 20:53.30 | Babbelaar | what are the something somethings? |
| 20:53.34 | streuner | opnsrc: well, that's really bad |
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| 20:53.46 | opnsrc | Well, I mean aren't logs just meant for the user |
| 20:53.55 | opnsrc | How was I supposed to know they were meant for other programs |
| 20:53.58 | streuner | opnsrc: no, for the admin |
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| 20:54.05 | GFDL | opnsrc, logs are very important |
| 20:54.07 | Babbelaar | what are those something, does anyone know? |
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| 20:54.28 | GFDL | opnsrc, but you deleted a directory |
| 20:54.36 | opnsrc | I am the admin |
| 20:54.40 | opnsrc | This is my computer |
| 20:54.47 | GFDL | oh I forgot it |
| 20:55.01 | opnsrc | I just deleted the contents of the log directory |
| 20:55.20 | streuner | !sunday |
| 20:55.21 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 20:55.33 | kristalino | do you know a maximizer in linux ? (small portion of the screen that is zoomed in) ? |
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| 20:56.02 | kyncani | Babbelaar: you could check knoppix's /etc/shadow |
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| 20:56.28 | Babbelaar | lol, good one |
| 20:56.36 | Babbelaar | my excuse: its late down herE :P |
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| 20:59.24 | initzero | AMD AMD AMD AMD AMD AMD AMD AMD |
| 20:59.33 | nvz | an den? |
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| 21:00.52 | initzero | Athlon64 Athlon64 Athlon64 Athlon64 Athlon64 Athlon64 Athlon64 Athlon64 |
| 21:00.57 | nvz | an den? |
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| 21:01.29 | abrotman | no and then .. nothing else .. that's it |
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| 21:01.50 | opnsrc | Thanks. I think reinstalling PPP worked |
| 21:03.02 | opnsrc | I also had problems with Clamav (updating fresclam) after deleting the logs. Reinstalled it, it works |
| 21:03.24 | opnsrc | See, that's the great thing about linux. You have a problem with windows, you have to reinstall everything. Linux, you simply reinstall whatever it is you're having a problem with |
| 21:03.24 | abrotman | apparently the idiot lives in dresden |
| 21:03.31 | nvz | !ops kick initzero |
| 21:03.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: kick initzero |
| 21:03.48 | opnsrc | (and these package managers make it so easy) |
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| 21:04.02 | abrotman | erm . not me .. i haven't been |
| 21:04.33 | GFDL | maybe he is watchman in the dresden plant? |
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| 21:04.46 | abrotman | maybe he's a short bus kid from germany |
| 21:04.59 | initzero | who knows |
| 21:05.10 | initzero | noone knows - queens of the stone age |
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| 21:05.37 | resiak | !ago |
| 21:05.38 | resiak | !afo |
| 21:05.38 | dpkg | anyone for ops! |
| 21:05.40 | resiak | bah |
| 21:05.47 | dannythm | anyone know a channer or server where I can get freebsd support? |
| 21:05.51 | nvz | initzero for ops! |
| 21:05.53 | nvz | heh |
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| 21:06.04 | Eulex | nvz, *shudder* |
| 21:06.10 | abrotman | dannythm: #freebsd maybe ? |
| 21:06.12 | Eulex | dannythm, well, not here :) |
| 21:06.32 | dannythm | Eulex I ko not here, but mabe someone know any place |
| 21:06.42 | nvz | Eulex: /topic AMD AMD AMD AMD AMD AMD AMD AMD |
| 21:06.43 | nvz | heh |
| 21:06.55 | Eulex | nvz, yeah, exactly |
| 21:07.17 | initzero | who would not agree that an Athlon is better than a pentium??!! |
| 21:07.20 | elmo909 | is there a way for apt to let me get ntfs-modules-2.4.27-2-386-di? |
| 21:07.21 | initzero | noone |
| 21:07.24 | elmo909 | it's not showing up? |
| 21:07.38 | abrotman | is that a pckage? |
| 21:07.47 | abrotman | initzero: it doesn't matter .. go to #hardware |
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| 21:07.48 | elmo909 | according to the debian website it is |
| 21:07.57 | abrotman | !info ntfs-modules-2.4.27-2-386-di sarge |
| 21:08.19 | Eulex | elmo909, well, it's not here. |
| 21:08.19 | initzero | cant debian drop any support for cpus from intel? |
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| 21:08.49 | abrotman | can't germany live with one less idiot |
| 21:10.45 | SerajewelKS | is analog in the stable 'WWW Server' task? |
| 21:10.45 | initzero | if(cpuid == GenuineIntel) crash(); |
| 21:10.45 | Eulex | yay |
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| 21:10.45 | Thanatermesis | uhhhhh !! |
| 21:10.46 | abrotman | initzero: just shut up .. |
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| 21:10.57 | initzero | abrotman: ack! |
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| 21:10.58 | zOap | initzero, I don't know what rock you crawled from, and I don't care. But could you please just leave? Please? |
| 21:10.59 | Eulex | abrotman, nah, the more he says the sooner he will be banned/kicked |
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| 21:10.59 | nvz | if(nick == "initzero") plonk(nick); |
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| 21:11.00 | nvz | Eulex: wishful thinking |
| 21:11.00 | elmo909 | well how do i install a .udeb |
| 21:11.00 | initzero | modulo |
| 21:11.00 | Eulex | elmo909, you don't. |
| 21:11.00 | GFDL | initzero, you do amd more harm than good with your spam |
| 21:11.01 | initzero | okay you are right |
| 21:11.01 | streuner | dont feed trolls |
| 21:11.03 | abrotman | kill them |
| 21:11.03 | streuner | !udeb |
| 21:11.04 | dpkg | udebs are microdebs, "regular debian packages that are not policy compliant. They are used by the new debian-installer project, to build up the actual system that then installs debian." -- thus spake Joey Hess, the great debian genius |
| 21:11.19 | Thanatermesis | what happens to some repositories of debian ? is the problem fixed soon ? |
| 21:11.25 | initzero | Godsmack is cool |
| 21:11.28 | abrotman | what's wrong with them |
| 21:11.42 | abrotman | !ops please .. initzero has been at this for days |
| 21:11.42 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: please .. initzero has been at this for days |
| 21:11.58 | Eulex | "spake"? |
| 21:12.07 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: what is wrong with them? |
| 21:12.17 | *** mode/#debian [+o gravity] by ChanServ |
| 21:12.18 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@p549410C5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] by gravity |
| 21:12.18 | *** mode/#debian [-o gravity] by gravity |
| 21:12.21 | Thanatermesis | the GPG verification abrotman |
| 21:12.27 | mzilikazi | hmm getting a GPG error: BADSIG 010908312D230C5F |
| 21:12.30 | Eulex | shouldn't that be s/spake/spoke/ |
| 21:12.33 | Thanatermesis | aha, this |
| 21:12.34 | abrotman | !beer gravity |
| 21:12.54 | mzilikazi | Thanatermesis: you are having the same problem as i? |
| 21:13.02 | Thanatermesis | mzilikazi yes |
| 21:13.08 | Thanatermesis | since yesterday |
| 21:13.10 | nvz | beer and gravity really are a good combination.. without gravity we couldnt drink beer |
| 21:13.11 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: just wait .. it got signed incorrectly last night .. it will be fixed in about 4 hours or so |
| 21:13.27 | Thanatermesis | oh, this sounds a minor problem then :) |
| 21:13.28 | abrotman | mzilikazi: ^^ |
| 21:13.41 | dooglus | Eulex: if you're trying to write a sed command, you need a terminating '/' |
| 21:13.45 | mzilikazi | k thanks |
| 21:13.46 | Thanatermesis | thanks abrotman |
| 21:13.48 | Kerr | hiya.. I've recently taken over looking after my friend's webserver/irc server.. it's a dedicated box; and is running sid. I want to set a cronjob up to apt-get update & apt-get upgrade .. what can i do to minimise the risk of upgrading to broken packages? I use stable at home, so thi is pretty new to me. |
| 21:13.58 | abrotman | Kerr: don't do that |
| 21:14.05 | dooglus | Eulex: (and you had one... um) |
| 21:14.36 | Kerr | i've already had etch die a horrible death on me, so i'm -very- weary of sid. |
| 21:14.41 | Eulex | dooglus, hehe. anyway, spake seems to be some old english way of saying spoke. so I won't change it. |
| 21:14.49 | abrotman | Kerr: why is he running sid ? |
| 21:15.12 | Kerr | he's attracted to shiny-new things. |
| 21:15.17 | Kerr | ? |
| 21:15.25 | Eulex | Kerr, umh... apt-get upgrade as a cronjob in sid? are you crazy? |
| 21:15.34 | dooglus | Eulex: indeed. it reminds me of Shakespear, or some such |
| 21:15.53 | Kerr | Eulex: I asked, instead of just doin' it. I must only be half crazy. |
| 21:15.57 | chealer | Kerr: install apt-use-unstable-but-magically-be-stable, perhaps |
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| 21:16.20 | abrotman | Kerr: you cannot do that in a cron job .. it will kill the system |
| 21:16.49 | Kerr | chealer: on that subject.. i was thinking of switching to ubuntu sources when they next refresh from sid. Does that sound any less crazy? |
| 21:17.02 | Eulex | Kerr, not the least. |
| 21:17.11 | abrotman | tarzeau: why do the lists do that to your name ? |
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| 21:17.32 | SerajewelKS | let me choose a different question. where does tasksel store the list of packages for each task so i can look for myself? |
| 21:17.41 | tarzeau | abrotman: what lists? where what? |
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| 21:17.41 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's weekend damn! |
| 21:17.41 | tarzeau | abrotman: the ü? |
| 21:17.49 | Eulex | Kerr, mixing distros are not recommended at all. if it breaks, you won't be able to get support from either debian or ubuntu. |
| 21:17.51 | tarzeau | abrotman: because they are umlaut nazi lists? |
| 21:18.10 | abrotman | tarzeau: yeah |
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| 21:18.19 | abrotman | Accepted mknfonts.tool 0.5-5 (source i386) GÃrkan SengÃn |
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| 21:18.42 | Eulex | abrotman, umh... he could try using unicode. |
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| 21:18.46 | tarzeau | abrotman: that's utf!, isn't that right? |
| 21:18.49 | tarzeau | Eulex: i am |
| 21:18.54 | tarzeau | abrotman: your browser sucks! |
| 21:19.00 | tarzeau | abrotman: and your irc client too! |
| 21:19.11 | abrotman | tarzeau: uhm .. no |
| 21:19.20 | tarzeau | abrotman: you suck! |
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| 21:19.28 | blondie | I suck! |
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| 21:19.29 | Eulex | tarzeau, hmm. doesn't look like it though -- should have been encoded into 2 bytes. |
| 21:19.33 | tarzeau | blondie: here! suck this. |
| 21:19.35 | abrotman | tarzeau: i think your name sucks! |
| 21:19.39 | blondie | (if you ask nicely) |
| 21:19.41 | Kerr | Eulex: is there anything i can do to make things not crazy? |
| 21:19.47 | abrotman | tarzeau: it displays the same in two browsers .. so i think it's your name! |
| 21:19.56 | tarzeau | abrotman: i couldn't choose |
| 21:20.02 | tarzeau | abrotman: and the ü is in both names |
| 21:20.02 | abrotman | sure you can |
| 21:20.13 | tarzeau | abrotman: if i marry, she'll not have umlauts, and i'll take her name |
| 21:20.18 | abrotman | hehe |
| 21:20.21 | Babbelaar | i wanna tank u guys for helping me out, everythings working fine now :) |
| 21:20.22 | tarzeau | blondie: you've got umlauts in your name? |
| 21:20.37 | Eulex | Kerr, not doing any crazy stuff is a hot tip. I'd run sarge on a production server, btw. |
| 21:20.43 | pixeleyes | Hello :) |
| 21:20.48 | blondie | tarzeau: nope |
| 21:21.01 | Babbelaar | eulex, i AM running sarge on a production server |
| 21:21.03 | tarzeau | blondie: if you suck really good... |
| 21:21.06 | pixeleyes | "USer root does not exist" - has anyone encountered that error? |
| 21:21.12 | blondie | tarzeau: yes? |
| 21:21.16 | Kerr | Eulex: my personal webserver is sarge, and runs fine :-/ like i said, isn't my rig. |
| 21:21.16 | Eulex | Babbelaar, umh... not talking to you |
| 21:21.21 | abrotman | pixeleyes: in ubuntu ? |
| 21:21.27 | tarzeau | blondie: aren't you m? |
| 21:21.32 | blondie | Kerr: if it's aint broke, don't fix (break) it |
| 21:21.36 | blondie | tarzeau: yes? |
| 21:21.38 | Babbelaar | i know, just conferming yuor statement |
| 21:21.42 | pixeleyes | abrot> Deb(Sarge)+KDE |
| 21:21.50 | abrotman | sarge has kde |
| 21:22.14 | abrotman | look in /etc/passwd . is there a root user? |
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| 21:22.18 | chealer | Kerr: hahaha |
| 21:22.24 | tarzeau | blondie: i want to marry a woman |
| 21:22.30 | blondie | tarzeau: I don't |
| 21:22.32 | pixeleyes | Ever seen that error? Did some googling, and it appears to be Samba-related. |
| 21:22.40 | Kerr | blondie: so my options are: update regularly and break the sid box, or don't update regularly and get pwned for using old stuff? |
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| 21:22.56 | abrotman | Kerr: you can update every day .. upgrade .. no |
| 21:23.03 | abrotman | Kerr: try apt-listbugs |
| 21:23.05 | blondie | Kerr: update don't upgrade |
| 21:23.23 | pixeleyes | abrot> root user: yes - root. 8) |
| 21:23.24 | abrotman | hit tab FFS |
| 21:23.35 | abrotman | pixeleyes: can you login as root ? |
| 21:23.40 | Kerr | i thought update just updated the list of packages? |
| 21:23.45 | abrotman | it does |
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| 21:23.53 | Kerr | what good will that do me? |
| 21:23.58 | Babbelaar | pirate bails out, later |
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| 21:24.04 | pixeleyes | abrot> yes, I can. |
| 21:24.05 | astronut | is there anything that can download a RSTP strema? |
| 21:24.07 | abrotman | HIT TAB |
| 21:24.12 | abrotman | !nicktab |
| 21:24.12 | dpkg | Hitting tab on a partially typed word in your IRC-client, when referencing a nickname, will increase typing productivity by miles. For example, to address exampleUser, type exam<TAB> and your IRC client will fill in the rest. Keep hitting tab if the letters you typed match more than one nick until you get the right one. |
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| 21:24.14 | astronut | ie, a wget for the RTSP:// portocol |
| 21:24.31 | abrotman | astronut: yes .. real audio right ? |
| 21:24.35 | petemc | abrotman: mplayer -dumpstream , prolly |
| 21:24.37 | astronut | real, quicktime, etc |
| 21:24.43 | abrotman | petemc: no! |
| 21:24.49 | petemc | no? |
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| 21:24.56 | astronut | petemc: Cannot dump this stream - no file descriptor available. |
| 21:24.59 | astronut | tried that already |
| 21:25.24 | abrotman | petemc: i wasn't looking .. astronut was |
| 21:25.26 | Eulex | Kerr, upgrade and dist-upgrade are those that are dangerous. upgrade manually regularly and look over the upgrading process yourself. |
| 21:26.03 | petemc | abrotman: yeah, tab completion gone awry |
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| 21:26.10 | petemc | i presumed you would figure that out |
| 21:26.17 | abrotman | oh noes! |
| 21:26.21 | astronut | petemc: tried that |
| 21:26.23 | Kerr | Eulex: i don't mean any offence, but that seems like a lot of work for a box hosting one ircd and maybe ten websites. |
| 21:26.28 | elmo909 | what permissions do i have to set to mount a ntfs drive and let regular users view it? |
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| 21:26.41 | Nicoco | hello help me plz i cant mount my /dev/hda1 : "not a block device". it is a ntfs drive and it works under winxp |
| 21:26.43 | astronut | elmo909: use -o users |
| 21:26.51 | elmo909 | .../dev/hda1 /mnt/windows ntfs ro,user,umask=222 0 0 |
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| 21:26.54 | elmo909 | im using that right now |
| 21:27.11 | zOap | !ntfs |
| 21:27.12 | dpkg | hmm... ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access the partition as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html, or ask me about captiventfs |
| 21:27.25 | Eulex | Kerr, then run stable. |
| 21:27.25 | petemc | elmo909: umask=022 is all you need, really |
| 21:27.38 | unstable | !tell elmo909 about ntfsrw |
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| 21:28.06 | Kerr | Eulex: I'm the wrong side of the atlantic to get direct access to the server for a reinstall. I take it there's no way to do it over the net? |
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| 21:28.09 | abrotman | and then kiss your NTFS data good bye :) |
| 21:28.18 | unstable | !tell elmo909 about read-ntfs |
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| 21:28.21 | passGoCollect200 | oh, fun :) |
| 21:28.25 | passGoCollect200 | abrotman: you always say fun stuff |
| 21:28.28 | passGoCollect200 | abrotman: what was this about |
| 21:28.58 | Eulex | Kerr, there is a way of downgrading, but it's quite dangerous and not recommended either. apart from that; no. |
| 21:28.59 | abrotman | huh? |
| 21:29.06 | davFr | tricky question : export DISPLAY is used to get a remote display. How to get sound remotly (with ALSA)? |
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| 21:29.18 | Roey | abrotman: about the ntfs thing. |
| 21:29.26 | Roey | abrotman: what brought that statement on?? |
| 21:29.31 | abrotman | it's not my data .. |
| 21:29.34 | abrotman | Mizbalix: stop doing that |
| 21:29.36 | Eulex | davFr, X doesn't do audio. |
| 21:29.40 | Mizbalix | abrotman: ok |
| 21:29.46 | abrotman | pick a freaking nick :) |
| 21:29.49 | Mizbalix | fine, fine! |
| 21:29.59 | davFr | eulex : is there an equivalent env variable dedicated to sound? |
| 21:30.00 | BibTeX | what is a "loop device" |
| 21:30.00 | Kerr | Eulex: also the system has a failed ispconfig install. took me an hour to fix u/gids, so i could add a damn user; i'm assuming other things are broken. |
| 21:30.03 | BibTeX | ? |
| 21:30.05 | petemc | davFr: you can do that with esd |
| 21:30.13 | Roey | abrotman: have you ever heard of a Hammefall sound card |
| 21:30.16 | Roey | *Hammerfall |
| 21:30.24 | davFr | petemc : in kcontrol ? |
| 21:30.39 | abrotman | Roey: i thnik so ... |
| 21:30.44 | Eulex | davFr, I don't think you can do it solely with alsa. I think you need to use esd. |
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| 21:30.48 | petemc | davFr: i wouldnt think so |
| 21:30.56 | Hali_303 | hi |
| 21:31.04 | davFr | eulex : howto ? |
| 21:31.11 | davFr | petemc : ok |
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| 21:31.38 | blondie | hmm why is samba/windows/network being so slow :( |
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| 21:32.15 | Roey | abrotman: ok |
| 21:32.28 | davFr | petemc : i see an option in kcontrol. will investigate thanks :o) |
| 21:32.50 | Hali_303 | I've got and ADSL box and wanna setup an smtp server for some domains. which one do you recommend/easiest to setup? I dont wanna use it much, just need a postmaster@domain address, so I can reg the domains (it is a requirement to have such an address). basically the best would be if the server would forward the mails coming to this address to my regular address. thanks! |
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| 21:33.53 | Eulex | davFr, take a look at this: http://www.talok.org/mpd/Configuration.htm |
| 21:33.58 | dfc | is anyone else receiving gpg sig failures on the unstable repository? |
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| 21:34.03 | SMH | Hello world! |
| 21:34.21 | ice_1963 | i am |
| 21:34.27 | ThetaWave | SMH is a script! |
| 21:34.27 | chealer | dfc: yes, your mirror is temporarily broken |
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| 21:35.01 | abrotman | dfc: yes ..e veryone |
| 21:35.09 | unstable | !greet SMH |
| 21:35.09 | dpkg | Hi there, SMH |
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| 21:36.19 | priscila | Bradley: if you want do programs you must learn programming :P |
| 21:36.30 | priscila | ... |
| 21:36.37 | Kerr | abrotman: What do you reccomend i do; reguarding the sid server, keeping in mind that i don't have physical access? |
| 21:36.40 | davFr | eulex : ok, thanks. |
| 21:36.47 | davFr | i'm googling |
| 21:36.59 | abrotman | Kerr: not running sid for a server :) |
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| 21:37.25 | unstable | yea, Kerr bad idea running sid. Have fun with that. |
| 21:37.25 | SMH | My problem: due to an apt-get dist-upgrade, a new linux-2.6.15-1 (IIRC) was installed. |
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| 21:37.35 | Kerr | abrotman: Is there any safe way to downgrade to stable? even vaguely safe? |
| 21:37.36 | _ToNhO_ | priscila: hahahaha :P |
| 21:37.37 | PlasmaHH | hi, anyone knows where the stats is available that pnrfne collects ? |
| 21:37.39 | Kerr | wasn't my idea. |
| 21:37.47 | abrotman | Kerr: reinstall? :) |
| 21:37.48 | unstable | !tell SMH about ask |
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| 21:37.51 | SMH | and LILO was runned (instead of GRUB) |
| 21:37.52 | CiDUZzZ | hi |
| 21:37.56 | abrotman | Kerr: debootstrap/debtakeover ? |
| 21:38.04 | Kerr | abrotman: no phyisical access, how am i gonna do that? |
| 21:38.05 | CiDUZzZ | could anyone tell me where-to activate acpi in the 2.6. kernel? |
| 21:38.08 | priscila | _ToNhO_: :P |
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| 21:38.13 | abrotman | PlasmaHH: huh ? |
| 21:38.13 | unstable | SMH: type "grub-install" as root. |
| 21:38.14 | SMH | and now, kernel panic at boot (no root partition found!) |
| 21:38.19 | unstable | SMH: Then type "update-grub" |
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| 21:38.34 | SMH | unstable: my system is unbootable! |
| 21:38.36 | Kerr | abrotman: i mean, can i install stable into a second partition from inside sid, and have it take over on reboot? |
| 21:38.38 | PlasmaHH | abrotman: "huh?" what ? |
| 21:38.44 | unstable | SMH: pop in a knoppix cd, or any live cd. |
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| 21:38.46 | abrotman | PlasmaHH: the piespy bot? |
| 21:38.50 | unstable | SMH: Or pop in the debian install disc |
| 21:38.50 | PlasmaHH | abrotman: yip |
| 21:38.56 | SMH | unstable: no liveCD here (not at home...) |
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| 21:39.15 | SMH | unstable: only an old Sarge Netinstall (RC2) |
| 21:39.16 | abrotman | PlasmaHH: hrm .. can't you find out who owns the bot? |
| 21:39.31 | unstable | SMH: That will work fine, pop that in and reinstall grub |
| 21:39.48 | PlasmaHH | abrotman: hm, looks like its Phated ones |
| 21:39.48 | SMH | but it seems unuseable to install GRUB (I don't know why!) |
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| 21:39.59 | PlasmaHH | Phated: so, where is the stats ;) |
| 21:40.00 | unstable | SMH: Does it boot the disc? |
| 21:40.08 | abrotman | PlasmaHH: then ask Phated .. or perhaps Phated would rather not share |
| 21:40.19 | abrotman | PlasmaHH: what kind of stats are you looking for? |
| 21:40.43 | SMH | unstable: yes, the Netinstall CD is booted, but no "grub-install" available |
| 21:40.44 | PlasmaHH | abrotman: just would like to look how it looks after its running for a long time... just started running it on another chan |
| 21:40.49 | unstable | SMH: Then it's usable. |
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| 21:41.05 | abrotman | PlasmaHH: i'm sure the piespy website has samples |
| 21:41.08 | foof__ | hi |
| 21:41.15 | unstable | SMH: Boot it, then go into rescue mode, and a curses diaologue will give you choices, reinstall grub is one of those choices |
| 21:41.25 | unstable | !greet foof__ |
| 21:41.25 | dpkg | Moo, foof__ |
| 21:41.26 | PlasmaHH | abrotman: they dont look like samples of big chans |
| 21:41.30 | SMH | unstable: what's "rescue mode"? |
| 21:41.36 | SMH | linux rescue? |
| 21:41.39 | initzero | hi anyone |
| 21:41.42 | abrotman | PlasmaHH: this is a big channel .. but not so many talkers |
| 21:41.43 | SMH | at lilo prompt? |
| 21:41.47 | unstable | SMH: yes |
| 21:41.55 | abrotman | !ops initzero ban evasion |
| 21:41.55 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: initzero ban evasion |
| 21:41.57 | unstable | SMH: no, at the disc "boot:" prompt |
| 21:41.57 | SMH | thx, i'll try it! |
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| 21:42.05 | *** mode/#debian [-o gravity] by gravity |
| 21:42.12 | SMH | unst: got it. |
| 21:42.13 | abrotman | !beer gravity |
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| 21:42.19 | SMH | thx & CU! |
| 21:42.21 | jorgito | what do you use for updating zones in bind ? suppose zone stored in mysql |
| 21:42.25 | abrotman | gravity: if this keeps up ... you're gonna have a rough morning :) |
| 21:42.26 | dannythm | ARRRR |
| 21:42.29 | dannythm | I hate my ISP >< |
| 21:42.36 | nvz | heh |
| 21:42.43 | Hali_303 | when doing an apt-get update, the following happens: E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 21:42.46 | Hali_303 | how to solve this? |
| 21:42.57 | Hali_303 | google says it has to do sg with the cache settings |
| 21:42.59 | nvz | Hali_303: add more memory, run less programs |
| 21:43.09 | chealer | !tell Hali_303 about mmap |
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| 21:43.24 | Hali_303 | thx |
| 21:43.30 | foof__ | hi |
| 21:43.32 | Kerr | Does anyone know of a way to install sarge alongside another installaton; from within said installation.. i mean, can it be done VM style, for sarge to take over later? |
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| 21:43.45 | initzero_ | hi anyone |
| 21:43.45 | GFDL | hmmm |
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| 21:43.49 | vulture | Kerr: chroot perhaps |
| 21:43.52 | blondie | initzero_: fuck off and die |
| 21:43.57 | cyberwolf__ | hello, what packet does /usr/share/aclocal/gtk.m4 belong to cus i need that file ? |
| 21:44.01 | blondie | gravity? |
| 21:44.04 | nvz | gravity: its back :P |
| 21:44.09 | initzero_ | blondie: duck my sick |
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| 21:44.14 | abrotman | can't we just ban germany? :) |
| 21:44.14 | blondie | yes right |
| 21:44.19 | gravity | blondie: Don't taunt him please. |
| 21:44.20 | abrotman | !beer gravity |
| 21:44.22 | GFDL | here we go again |
| 21:44.22 | chealer | cyberwolf__: it's called a package |
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| 21:44.37 | chealer | !tell cyberwolf__ about find /usr/share/aclocal/gtk.m4 |
| 21:44.37 | gravity | I have way better things to do than this |
| 21:44.38 | nvz | abrotman: heh |
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| 21:45.03 | nvz | gravity: right, next time we'll call the gustopa |
| 21:45.06 | cyberwolf__ | chealer, returned no results. |
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| 21:45.14 | nvz | or however the hell that word goes |
| 21:45.18 | foof__ | hi |
| 21:45.22 | nvz | looks who's back |
| 21:45.23 | abrotman | oh come on |
| 21:45.26 | abrotman | this is retarded |
| 21:45.33 | chealer | !tell cyberwolf__ about find usr/share/aclocal/gtk.m4 |
| 21:45.33 | foof__ | hi anyone |
| 21:45.34 | Kerr | !lose foof__ |
| 21:45.34 | dpkg | foof__: You Lose. |
| 21:45.43 | chealer | cyberwolf__: sorry, bad paste |
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| 21:46.03 | initzero__ | hi anyone |
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| 21:46.04 | blondie | best ban his ISP eh |
| 21:46.09 | cyberwolf__ | chealer, np n tnx :) |
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| 21:46.11 | initzero__ | hi |
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| 21:46.13 | abrotman | oh ffs |
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| 21:46.22 | blondie | gravity: can't you ban by nick? |
| 21:46.28 | zOap | this is really annoying |
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| 21:46.48 | abrotman | back again |
| 21:46.52 | foof__ | hi anyone |
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| 21:47.05 | foof__ | guess whos back |
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| 21:47.07 | cyb0rg | why does the topic contain "this is not #ubuntu" ? |
| 21:47.08 | Brian_L | too much time on your hands man |
| 21:47.10 | Kerr | gravity: can't you set debhelper/chanserv to ipban certain nicks? |
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| 21:47.19 | GFDL | right |
| 21:47.23 | CjSpace | hi |
| 21:47.35 | PlasmaHH | looks like a linksys router that guy has *ahem* |
| 21:47.37 | blondie | cyb0rg: because it's #debian :) |
| 21:47.41 | chealer | cyb0rg: because many people seem to confuse #debian with #ubuntu |
| 21:47.46 | abrotman | PlasmaHH: don't .. it will get you klined |
| 21:47.53 | PlasmaHH | abrotman: I know |
| 21:47.59 | cyb0rg | blondie: well yes but why doesn't it contain "this is not #fedora" for example |
| 21:48.07 | nvz | Kerr: only don can set debhelper to do anything. he's the one who has access to it |
| 21:48.11 | blondie | cyb0rg: because people ask too many ubuntu questions here |
| 21:48.27 | cyb0rg | what are ubuntu questions? |
| 21:48.32 | abrotman | about ubuntu |
| 21:48.36 | blondie | sigh |
| 21:48.39 | chealer | cyb0rg: because much less people confuse #debian with #fedora than with #ubuntu |
| 21:48.41 | cyb0rg | hmm |
| 21:48.43 | abrotman | pertaining to the distro ubuntu .. what's hard to grasp about that? |
| 21:48.53 | blondie | !ubuntu |
| 21:48.53 | dpkg | from memory, ubuntu is not Debian. See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian.. |
| 21:48.56 | zOap | cyb0rg, because fedore isn't built on debian, and noone comes in here asking about fedora. That's why |
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| 21:49.07 | cyb0rg | what about #knoppix |
| 21:49.07 | Kerr | nvz: can't we light some candles and summon him from the netherworld, or something? |
| 21:49.15 | blondie | cyb0rg: please stop it :P |
| 21:49.16 | cyb0rg | or #kubuntu |
| 21:49.17 | cyb0rg | :) |
| 21:49.19 | cyb0rg | ok ok |
| 21:49.31 | zOap | don't be a troll cyb0rg |
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| 21:49.58 | cyb0rg | that's a rude thing to say |
| 21:50.15 | zOap | you did behave like one |
| 21:50.26 | cyb0rg | hardly |
| 21:50.41 | Kerr | cyb0rg: asking people who owe you nothing to help you with something they have no interest in; and whining when they don't, is also not nice. |
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| 21:50.57 | cyb0rg | Kerr: did I ask for any help ? |
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| 21:51.06 | abrotman | he meant the ubuntu users |
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| 21:51.08 | blondie | did he say you did? :P |
| 21:51.08 | sapoj | hi |
| 21:51.14 | sapoj | hi anyone |
| 21:51.18 | blondie | sigh |
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| 21:51.22 | zOap | uh |
| 21:51.24 | abrotman | gravity: wanna op me for a bit? :) |
| 21:51.27 | Gnea | cyb0rg: it's okay for you to ask silly questions, but the second someone jumps on you about it, you're suddenly not rude at all or ever? |
| 21:51.28 | Kerr | cyb0rg: Dunno, I was doing my best to ignore you untill i smelt a flamewar. It's snowing here; flames are nice. |
| 21:51.33 | initzzz | =) |
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| 21:51.48 | ekkikrist | wave |
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| 21:52.14 | _satans_ny | sapoj: anyone.. tell her you said hi if i'll ever see him |
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| 21:52.33 | Gnea | !anyone |
| 21:52.33 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 21:52.57 | Babbelaar | one of my servers only conencts to hosts in the local network, no apt sources, and so on. whats wrong? |
| 21:53.05 | Kerr | abrotman: What is the trigger to test a nick for stupidity? |
| 21:53.05 | _satans_ny | !rm -rf /* |
| 21:53.05 | Babbelaar | *what could be wrong |
| 21:53.06 | abrotman | bad route? |
| 21:53.09 | blondie | Babbelaar: routing or dns? |
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| 21:53.17 | cyb0rg | Kerr: I just love it when people assume I care if they "ignore" or "try to ignore" me .. they're so stupid. |
| 21:53.19 | rzr99 | hi anyone |
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| 21:53.32 | initzzz3r0 | =) |
| 21:53.33 | Babbelaar | yea i figured, but how do i know wich one |
| 21:53.33 | _satans_ny | oh anyone is here now, can i take your question? |
| 21:53.40 | Kerr | cyb0rg: because, of course; paying you heed is a sign of great wisdom. |
| 21:53.42 | Daedalus_ | Babbelaar: route -n |
| 21:53.48 | initzzz3r0 | <3 2 debian |
| 21:53.49 | Gnea | cyb0rg: going on about it is equally, if not more so stupid. |
| 21:54.03 | cyb0rg | no, assuming I give a fsck if you "ignore" me or not, is. |
| 21:54.10 | Daedalus_ | Babbelaar: you should have something for the destination 0.0.0.0 |
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| 21:54.15 | Overand | what command-line app can i use to look up the reverse dns entry from an IP? |
| 21:54.18 | initzzz3r0 | 127.0.0.1 |
| 21:54.18 | cyb0rg | Gnea: and going on aboug going on about it is retarded |
| 21:54.20 | Babbelaar | it also doent serve |
| 21:54.21 | cyb0rg | -about |
| 21:54.23 | _satans_ny | initzzz3r0: are you bigger than 5 debians!? cool |
| 21:54.25 | Daedalus_ | Overand: host |
| 21:54.25 | zOap | cyb0rg, keep that up and you will be kicked... |
| 21:54.26 | Babbelaar | no ssh and http |
| 21:54.29 | Overand | Daedalus_: thanks |
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| 21:54.45 | initzzz3r0 | lol kicked... ive been kicked 1000times |
| 21:54.53 | abrotman | and it's funny? |
| 21:54.54 | Babbelaar | oh it does do http now |
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| 21:55.08 | Gnea | cyb0rg: you obviously do give a fsck about it, and you are obviously retarded, since you're still talking about it. and anyone that /ignores you obviously has some sign of intelligence based upon what you just said. |
| 21:55.08 | cyb0rg | zOap: I don't really care, I'm not even a debian user.. there's nothing this channel can offer me except some fun |
| 21:55.09 | zOap | sigh |
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| 21:55.13 | Kerr | gravity: place a quiet ban on his nicks or something? |
| 21:55.17 | initzzz3r0 | hi |
| 21:55.19 | gravity | Kerr: I did |
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| 21:55.24 | GFDL | still 4 to go |
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| 21:55.25 | blondie | place a ban on his ISP :| |
| 21:55.26 | initzzz3r0 | hi |
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| 21:55.27 | abrotman | it doesn't matter .. he keeps fucking dialing in |
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| 21:55.30 | gravity | blondie: I did |
| 21:55.30 | zOap | gravity, take notice to cyb0rg's comment |
| 21:55.31 | gravity | blondie: I did |
| 21:55.32 | abrotman | just call his damn ISP |
| 21:55.32 | Gnea | my god |
| 21:55.39 | initzzz3r0 | lol |
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| 21:55.40 | abrotman | he's dynamic host |
| 21:55.45 | blondie | gravity: on all of dip0.t-ipconnect.de |
| 21:55.50 | cyb0rg | sigh |
| 21:55.50 | gravity | ouch |
| 21:55.52 | abrotman | try free@*.dip0.t-ipconnect.de |
| 21:55.54 | blondie | yeah well |
| 21:55.57 | abrotman | or whatever it is |
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| 21:56.06 | Kerr | initzzz3r0: Hi, aren't you depriving a village somewhere of it's idiot? |
| 21:56.11 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@*dip0.t-ipconnect.de] by gravity |
| 21:56.11 | abrotman | he'll have to keep creating accounts on his own machine |
| 21:56.14 | gravity | May as well |
| 21:56.26 | chealer | Kerr: haha |
| 21:56.29 | Babbelaar | destination: 192.168.1.0, gateway: 0.0.0.0 |
| 21:56.33 | abrotman | yay .. don't need germany! |
| 21:56.34 | Babbelaar | wrong.... |
| 21:56.40 | blondie | abrotman: no you just change the username setting in your client? |
| 21:56.48 | Babbelaar | its routing |
| 21:56.50 | abrotman | blondie: i gues you could do that too |
| 21:56.55 | Babbelaar | the gateway is 192.168.1.254 |
| 21:57.05 | Babbelaar | now how do i change? |
| 21:57.11 | cyb0rg | but why do that when you can just create another account on your machine just to do some ban-evading. idiot. |
| 21:57.16 | Babbelaar | read, man route? |
| 21:57.16 | Gnea | Babbelaar: what do you have set for it in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 21:57.21 | nvz | is it just me or is "conservative activist" an oxymoron? |
| 21:57.25 | Babbelaar | all the proper settings |
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| 21:57.32 | chealer | when I think about it, I can get at least 5 IPs simultaneously from my ISP |
| 21:57.36 | abrotman | nvz: an activist who works for conservative causes |
| 21:57.40 | Gnea | what a tool |
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| 21:57.58 | streuner | gravity: *!*@*dip0.t-ipconnect.de is a big ISP in germany |
| 21:58.07 | Babbelaar | do i need to ifconfig eth0 down and then up again? |
| 21:58.10 | gravity | streuner: Do you have a better idea? |
| 21:58.11 | GFDL | streuner, it is? |
| 21:58.13 | gravity | I'm game to hear it |
| 21:58.13 | abrotman | streuner: good .. call the ISP and have that idiot's account shut off |
| 21:58.13 | Babbelaar | caz that didnt work the last time |
| 21:58.16 | Babbelaar | i also rebooted |
| 21:58.20 | tomaw | gravity: cmode d |
| 21:58.23 | GFDL | streuner, is deustsche Telekom? |
| 21:58.26 | tomaw | gravity: it'd fool him for ages |
| 21:58.28 | GFDL | deutsche |
| 21:58.29 | Gnea | !sunday |
| 21:58.30 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 21:58.37 | abrotman | Gnea: no .. that guy has been here for days |
| 21:58.49 | Gnea | abrotman: which one? :) |
| 21:58.56 | Kerr | gravity: if you mute ban ipconnect, he'll have to reg a nick each time to speak? or doesn't freenode's ircd support that? |
| 21:58.56 | abrotman | Gnea: that german guy |
| 21:59.03 | Gnea | abrotman: cyb0rg? |
| 21:59.04 | elmo909 | why do half my applications i try to run show up on the bar for a few seconds then dissapear? |
| 21:59.20 | abrotman | Gnea: no .. the init* fucktard |
| 21:59.26 | streuner | GFDL: no, 1&1 |
| 21:59.28 | abrotman | not initech :) |
| 21:59.44 | gravity | Kerr: We haven't made this channel require registration to speak, if that's what you mean... |
| 21:59.47 | Coweater | elmo909: run them from a x terminal, maybe they'll tell why they're exiting |
| 21:59.51 | Gnea | abrotman: well he's proven that he's a fucktard alright, next. :) |
| 21:59.55 | GFDL | streuner, oh you are right that's a big one |
| 22:00.02 | Babbelaar | how do i change the settings from the kernel routing table? |
| 22:00.10 | elmo909 | the thing is the music is still playing from the app |
| 22:00.26 | Babbelaar | then the app is stll running |
| 22:00.29 | Babbelaar | :) |
| 22:00.37 | Babbelaar | or the backend at least |
| 22:00.37 | gravity | tomaw: That's not a bad idea |
| 22:00.44 | bleaked | if one is say, using the unstable tree and wants a package (and possibly it's deps) that's in experimental, can one just grab that package without dist-upgrading to experimental? (or do i appear to misunderstand how APT handles this in the first place?) |
| 22:00.46 | gravity | Of course, he's heard all this |
| 22:00.54 | gravity | So cmode +d is no good anymore |
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| 22:01.52 | zOap | hmm , did we loose all the germans now? |
| 22:02.03 | Babbelaar | yea since 1945 |
| 22:02.04 | Babbelaar | why? |
| 22:02.07 | abrotman | gravity: or not .. |
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| 22:02.28 | gravity | Whatever |
| 22:02.51 | blondie | what's mode +d do? |
| 22:02.56 | tomaw | blondie: realname ban |
| 22:03.06 | tomaw | it's confusing as it doesn't show in the ban list |
| 22:03.11 | tomaw | hence sometimes useful |
| 22:03.11 | blondie | ah |
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| 22:04.05 | tomaw | I'd be inclined to try it and see what happens. Better than banning a large German isp imo. |
| 22:04.10 | nvz | GFDL: well there are 211 users from that ISP on freenode, 8 in #debian right now |
| 22:04.18 | abrotman | assuming all those nicks had the same real name |
| 22:04.18 | gravity | tomaw: He just saw it. Repeatedly. |
| 22:04.21 | gravity | It's useless |
| 22:04.31 | Babbelaar | how do i change the kernel routing table? |
| 22:04.41 | gravity | If the isp wants to just give totally dynamic ip's, there's not much I can do about it |
| 22:04.51 | abrotman | tomaw: and it's not the same real name for all those things |
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| 22:04.59 | Myon | #debian.de just got the first complaint about the ban |
| 22:05.05 | abrotman | oh ffs |
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| 22:05.17 | gravity | Still no good solution |
| 22:05.29 | gravity | If I have one, I'll use it, but I don't have one |
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| 22:05.40 | |slocate | gravity are tor users prohibited?? |
| 22:05.46 | gravity | Yes |
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| 22:05.57 | |slocate | dag!? |
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| 22:06.20 | |slocate | gravity not kkol |
| 22:06.26 | |slocate | kool even |
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| 22:06.35 | eurisko | i am using unstable with kde 3.5, and since i upgraded kde , hal, udev and that media autodetection stop working does someone haves a clue about it? |
| 22:06.38 | Daedalus_ | Babbelaar: you don't need to change the entry for 192.xx.x.x |
| 22:06.40 | gravity | |slocate: Whatever. tor users were a massive pain in the ass for freenode and this channel. |
| 22:06.40 | Gnea | the word is 'cool' |
| 22:06.42 | blondie | |slocate: "cool" |
| 22:06.46 | gravity | I have no pity for tor users |
| 22:06.51 | Myon | gravity: ack |
| 22:06.52 | Daedalus_ | Babbelaar: you need to add a default gateway |
| 22:06.56 | concept10 | A friend of mine just game me 4 servers and a cisco switch, one of the servers is a Cobalt - could debian run on the Cobalt (never fooled around with one of these before) |
| 22:07.04 | Gnea | |slocate: if you don't know what happened, then you need to learn about it before judging it. |
| 22:07.05 | blondie | concept10: probably |
| 22:07.05 | abrotman | possibly |
| 22:07.08 | *** mode/#debian [+gr] by gravity |
| 22:07.11 | |slocate | gravity not ever tor user is bad |
| 22:07.12 | Daedalus_ | Babbelaar: route add default gw x.x.x.x |
| 22:07.22 | *** mode/#debian [-o gravity] by gravity |
| 22:07.29 | gravity | |slocate: I don't care |
| 22:07.37 | Gnea | |slocate: name 10 tor users that aren't using it as a service deflector. |
| 22:07.40 | abrotman | |slocate: FINE .. you find all the assholes who abuse tor . and kill them .. then it will be useful on irc .. until then .. tough |
| 22:07.53 | Kerr | gravity: what i meant is; if you shuch-ban all of ipconnect, then people who really need help can reg their nicks to get help; regging and regging and regging may deter idiotzero. |
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| 22:08.03 | |slocate | guys i understand |
| 22:08.20 | |slocate | just that for me it sucks |
| 22:08.28 | Kerr | Gnea: I used tor to get on irc today, when my home server was offline 'cause of the kitchen being rewired. see, my uni firewall irc which means no direct connections. |
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| 22:08.35 | gravity | Kerr: Possibly... I'm not sure if that's possible |
| 22:08.35 | abrotman | it sucks for lots of people .. but people abuse tor .. |
| 22:08.38 | |slocate | cause i can't connect from work unless i use it |
| 22:08.39 | gravity | Let m eloko |
| 22:08.40 | concept10 | The Cobalt doesnt have an internal cd rom, but a scsi port on the back, I guess this would be the only way to get it on there?! |
| 22:08.43 | Babbelaar | how do i change my kernel routing table? |
| 22:09.04 | abrotman | concept10: floppies ? |
| 22:09.16 | Daedalus_ | Babbelaar: have you been listening to me? |
| 22:09.27 | blondie | concept10: can you boot it from LAN? |
| 22:09.28 | Kerr | |slocate: there are usually better solutions than tor. |
| 22:09.32 | Gnea | Kerr: right, all i'm saying is that the majority of them make up a conglomerate of users who are just looking for revenge rather than moving on to more productivity and such |
| 22:09.38 | concept10 | abrotman, none.. im about to pop it open to see what it has |
| 22:09.47 | abrotman | concept10: check the install guide |
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| 22:09.54 | |slocate | Kerr besides buying a shell??? |
| 22:09.54 | concept10 | blondie, possibly so, I have to read the docs |
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| 22:10.05 | Kerr | Gnea: still, you're blaming the hammer for whacking in nails. |
| 22:10.09 | Myon | does +g + invite override +r? |
| 22:10.15 | Gnea | Kerr: that's right. |
| 22:10.22 | lesouvage | I did a kernel update with apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 on a celeron pc but now the network card can't be brought up. Is there a fix |
| 22:10.24 | gravity | Kerr: I think that's only possible for the whole channel. The parameter isn't documented to take a hostmask |
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| 22:10.40 | gravity | That'd be a decent solution though. I'd way rather have that. |
| 22:10.43 | Myon | gravity: do we still need the t-ipconnect ban with +r? |
| 22:11.12 | randomity | I tried to install a .deb with dpkg -i, but the file was corrupted. Dpkg segfaulted, and now tells me that the package is in a "very bad internal state" when I try to do anything. How do I get rid of it? |
| 22:11.18 | gravity | Myon: Interesting... maybe not. Ok, I'm going to have to figure out how to ban his freenode id then |
| 22:11.23 | Kerr | Gnea: remove the hammer, and the idiots will pick up the next tool. Tor is easy to ban, if it weren't there, removing idiots would probably be harder. |
| 22:11.24 | |slocate | Kerr besides buying a shell, what would you suggest? |
| 22:11.25 | abrotman | you know .. he could also ban t-connect and redirect to #debian.de |
| 22:11.28 | Gnea | Myon: might as well, at least until sunday is over :) |
| 22:11.39 | Kerr | |slocate: install cgi-irc on your isp webhosting and use that. |
| 22:11.47 | Gnea | Kerr: some people just never learn :) |
| 22:11.56 | abrotman | Gnea: he's been doing it for *days* |
| 22:12.00 | concept10 | This may be another stupid RTFM question, but what is the purpose of a switch? I have only done home networking with routers and such... Would I use the switch to connect all of these boxes on one lan? |
| 22:12.00 | gravity | Myon: The problem is, even with that mode set on the chan, he still managed to join the channel repeatedly and troll it |
| 22:12.15 | blondie | concept10: switches are for connecting devices on the same network |
| 22:12.22 | blondie | concept10: routers are for connecting different networks |
| 22:12.29 | Gnea | gravity: that's a server issue then |
| 22:12.31 | streuner | gravity: +r is that people only join when identified... |
| 22:12.32 | *** part/#debian witch (i=jw@p508FFE79.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:12.39 | randomity | concept10, the box that you call a "router" was probably a router with a built-in switch |
| 22:12.41 | |slocate | Kerr verizon doesn't offer that |
| 22:12.43 | gravity | Are you sure he wasn't identified? |
| 22:12.50 | streuner | no idea |
| 22:12.54 | gravity | He may have just registered a bunch of nicks with freenode and kept using the new ones |
| 22:12.59 | Kerr | |slocate: why exactl can't youget on irc? |
| 22:12.59 | Myon | gravity: sure, take whatever measure you seem fit, but let me assure that t-whatever (they have several domains) is the biggest ISP here |
| 22:13.09 | gravity | Myon: I'm not happy about it... I just don't know what a good solution is |
| 22:13.11 | Gnea | he's not identified. |
| 22:13.14 | abrotman | good .. call them .. get his account shut off |
| 22:13.18 | gravity | I don't want one guy fucking up the entire channel for the whole world |
| 22:13.23 | slinn | i'm developing a small daemon... i'm using start-stop-daemon in my initscript, but when i stop the process, the .pid file remains in /var/run... is this normal, or am i supposed to remove the .pid after start-stop-daemon stops the process? |
| 22:13.25 | eurisko | i am using unstable with kde 3.5, and since i upgraded kde , hal, udev and that media autodetection stop working does someone haves a clue about it? |
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| 22:13.38 | blondie | abrotman: for being annoying on irc? please |
| 22:13.39 | beered | is there a spell check of sorts for command line irc clients (like irssi)? |
| 22:13.41 | gravity | Gnea: Hrm interesting |
| 22:13.42 | concept10 | blondie, this setup maybe ? Cable modem -> Router -> Cisco Switch? Or Modem -> Switch -> Router?? |
| 22:13.50 | Kerr | 22:13 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- The nickname [initzzz3r0] is not registered |
| 22:13.51 | blondie | concept10: the first one |
| 22:13.54 | Kerr | he's not regging nicks.. |
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| 22:14.14 | Gnea | and his client is cloaking |
| 22:14.20 | blondie | it's fine to ban all of germany -- they can use #debian-de ;) |
| 22:14.21 | beered | concept10: you don't need cisco switch for a home network dude. just get a cheap linksys router/switch combo. |
| 22:14.22 | abrotman | blondie: it's not abusive to keep reconnecting and getting the ISP banned from an IRC server? |
| 22:14.25 | gravity | Ok, so broken server. |
| 22:14.29 | GFDL | blondie, uh_ |
| 22:14.34 | Gnea | blondie: they should anyway :) |
| 22:14.36 | blondie | abrotman: a chennel you mean? |
| 22:14.53 | blondie | *a |
| 22:14.53 | abrotman | yeah yeah |
| 22:14.59 | nvz | well its t-mobile's telecom service, and I got a number for technical support, but I am sure it would cost me to call germany.. and I dont really speak german :P |
| 22:15.01 | Myon | blondie: except that the channel name is .de :-P |
| 22:15.02 | gravity | (I'm so glad this is going on while the server is building) |
| 22:15.15 | blondie | Myon: whatever, use that instead of this one |
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| 22:15.18 | blondie | !de |
| 22:15.19 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
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| 22:15.35 | blondie | shrug |
| 22:15.40 | Gnea | word |
| 22:15.41 | thecreator | hello all |
| 22:15.42 | streuner | nvz: do you think they are care on sundays, if a moron abuse some people in IRC? |
| 22:15.54 | blondie | I doubt they will care |
| 22:15.56 | concept10 | beered, I have 5 boxes im trying to put on the same lan, I have no problem doing that, I just havent played with any switches before |
| 22:15.57 | streuner | nvz: they have millions of users... |
| 22:15.57 | Gnea | !beer blondie |
| 22:16.05 | blondie | er thanks |
| 22:16.08 | thecreator | hello all, I don't know if my first hello went through. forgot the /msg |
| 22:16.19 | Gnea | thecreator: pardon? |
| 22:16.25 | Myon | 23:15 <thecreator> hello all |
| 22:16.26 | blondie | concept10: how would you do that without a switch? |
| 22:16.32 | blondie | a string of coax? :) |
| 22:16.37 | nvz | streuner: so what, freenode is based out of texas, and if they dont know better, they should ask someone... you dont mess with texas. |
| 22:16.44 | beered | concept10: get a cheap linksys router/switch combo. It will connect all of your computers just fine. You don't need cisco switch for 5 machines. |
| 22:16.58 | concept10 | blondie, no sure, thats why I am asking advice |
| 22:17.00 | Gnea | concept10: it's pretty easy - just plug them all into the same switch and make sure the numbers match up :) |
| 22:17.09 | nvz | streuner: if it wouldnt cost me to call I would at least be as anoying to them as their user is to us |
| 22:17.13 | nvz | streuner: I have nothing better to do |
| 22:17.29 | streuner | nvz: you would waste your time and your money |
| 22:18.00 | blondie | is "larkin" a real first name in america? |
| 22:18.03 | nvz | streuner: thats the same thing my father and everyone else said when I was fighting with my phone company.. but you see my phone is back on, and they are paying me now, like it should be. |
| 22:18.11 | Gnea | concept10: a 'switch' is like a 'table' - instead of chairs, there are ports that computers can 'connect to' and 'talk to each other' once a valid communications protocol is established between them |
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| 22:18.20 | thecreator | I have a question, where can I find the start up scripts? |
| 22:18.32 | Gnea | thecreator: /etc/init.d/ |
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| 22:18.49 | beered | thecreator: man init (aka. /etc/init.d) |
| 22:18.53 | thecreator | sorry. |
| 22:18.57 | thecreator | thanks. |
| 22:18.59 | abrotman | blondie: they give lots of weird first names in america :) |
| 22:19.07 | blondie | right |
| 22:19.11 | thecreator | I tried to get this thing to delete, but the screen reader went wack on me. |
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| 22:19.15 | beered | abrotman: moheisha? |
| 22:19.19 | abrotman | worse |
| 22:19.20 | E0x | exist #debian-gnome or something like that ? |
| 22:19.30 | Gnea | blondie: are you saying we've got retarded first names over here? :) |
| 22:19.33 | abrotman | !#gnome |
| 22:19.33 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: one of my friends was almost named polycarp by his parents |
| 22:19.33 | dpkg | The gnome IRC channel is #gnome at irc.gnome.org, or for debian gnome related use #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
| 22:19.46 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: better than polycrap |
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| 22:19.47 | blondie | Gnea: "larkin" would be on that list, yes |
| 22:19.53 | Gnea | blondie: hahaha |
| 22:19.59 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: still wouldn't have been fun in high school |
| 22:20.13 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: that's when you get a nick name |
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| 22:20.23 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: P.C. |
| 22:20.24 | Gnea | blondie: must be a hillbilly name, i've never heard of it |
| 22:20.27 | nvz | streuner: the problem here is tracking the user down who might not even be a customer.. might be abusing their network same as ours. |
| 22:20.30 | Kerr | gravity: according to the site /mode #debian +b !*@*dip0.t-ipconnect.de!#Debian-DE will forward users matching the ban to #Debian-DE. Maybe that is a better idea O.o .. dunno if it works with +q quiet bans though. Might need to ask freenode staff. |
| 22:20.33 | blondie | Gnea: it's on "Invasion" |
| 22:20.37 | blondie | (a female name) |
| 22:20.47 | abrotman | Kerr: it's #debian.de ... not - |
| 22:20.49 | Gnea | blondie: is that a tv show? |
| 22:20.56 | blondie | Gnea: yes |
| 22:20.59 | gravity | Myon: Are you ok with that idea? Forwarding everyon to #debian-de? |
| 22:21.02 | Kerr | . even :-P |
| 22:21.04 | beered | Kerr: why not email the freenode ops? Last time I sent them an email I got a reply withing 48 hours. |
| 22:21.10 | Gnea | blondie: when will they learn yoy that tv is fake? ;) |
| 22:21.16 | nvz | streuner: I would start with recon, and move on to motivation. make up some story about my large organization suing them for damages |
| 22:21.17 | Gnea | s/yoy/you/g |
| 22:21.26 | blondie | Gnea: "learn" me eh |
| 22:21.29 | blondie | I hope you mean "teach" |
| 22:21.41 | Gnea | learn, teach, it's all relative |
| 22:22.00 | concept10 | Thanks for the advice knowledge guys, I will find someway to build my close beowulf |
| 22:22.01 | blondie | abrotman: that's not hard |
| 22:22.07 | Myon | gravity: well, offloading trolls doesn't really solve anything :-/ |
| 22:22.08 | Gnea | now that's some control issue |
| 22:22.10 | blondie | concept10: say what? |
| 22:22.14 | gravity | Myon: Yeah, I know |
| 22:22.15 | abrotman | Myon: but they're ok here? |
| 22:22.33 | gravity | I'm pretty well out of ideas |
| 22:22.34 | Myon | abrotman: no, but forwarding doesn't either |
| 22:22.39 | Gnea | blondie: i was making a sarcastic remark, btw - yes, i meant teach |
| 22:22.42 | concept10 | blondie, err, that is my "Closet Beowulf Cluster" |
| 22:22.46 | blondie | ok |
| 22:22.46 | abrotman | then i guess t-connect stays banned? |
| 22:22.49 | gravity | I'd love to not ban half of Germany |
| 22:22.53 | beered | concept10: Shoot for the stars, at least if you don't reach it, you can land in the heavens |
| 22:22.54 | gravity | But I don't know what to do |
| 22:23.01 | Myon | a +r per domain would rock, I guess |
| 22:23.04 | Kerr | Myon: #debian.de people are in germany, so may be able to do something about idiotzero's abuse, ie contatcing isp. |
| 22:23.06 | abrotman | gravity: it's actually a quarter :) .. apparently dip. and dip0. exists |
| 22:23.17 | streuner | gravity: just -r the channel and ban only the IP |
| 22:23.17 | blondie | Myon: that's what bots are for |
| 22:23.27 | bleaked | if one is say, using the unstable tree and wants to install a package (and possibly its deps) that is in the experimental tree, can one just grab that package without dist-upgrading to experimental? (or do i appear to misunderstand how APT handles experimental packages?) |
| 22:23.36 | davFr | eulex : petemc : I made with arts server. cf ARTS_SERVER env variable. But I sincerly hope i could be has transparent as $DISPLAY |
| 22:23.36 | blondie | streuner: which IP? |
| 22:23.36 | streuner | gravity: the troll doesn't want to change every time his IP... |
| 22:23.37 | gravity | streuner: I swear, he changed his ip |
| 22:23.43 | Myon | Kerr: I am in .de, and I don't especially like the idea of calling t-online now, nor do I thinkt it would change anything |
| 22:23.46 | Gnea | gravity: you've already made it so he can't say anything, so unless he's trolling via pm it's all good |
| 22:23.49 | blondie | streuner: but he did - about 5 times |
| 22:23.49 | abrotman | streuner: he dialed in multiple times |
| 22:24.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 705] by debhelper |
| 22:24.00 | streuner | -- gravity sets ban on %*!*@p54942080.dip0.t-ipconnect.de |
| 22:24.02 | nvz | gravity: would be nice if we could had services do this.. say in a situation like this we can ban the whole ISP and have services override the ban for identified users |
| 22:24.05 | blondie | he kept changing IP address |
| 22:24.10 | gravity | Gnea: I did it at the cost of a good chunk of germany |
| 22:24.11 | abrotman | streuner: you weren't paying attention . he changed his IP |
| 22:24.13 | SerajewelKS | does "analog" get installed with the "WWW Server" task? |
| 22:24.38 | nvz | gravity: less than 10 legit users from that ISP in #debian right now |
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| 22:24.58 | streuner | abrotman: i know, every 24 hrs he have too and could always change, but should one moron rule the politic of #debian?... |
| 22:25.05 | nvz | gravity: over 200 on freenode total |
| 22:25.16 | abrotman | streuner: FFS .. he just changed his IP like 5 times in the last hour ... |
| 22:25.21 | Gnea | well, i need to get some deoderant before i kill some more things just by lifting my arm |
| 22:25.25 | Gnea | laters |
| 22:25.42 | Surferdude | does anyone know of a guide to setup a PXE server on sarge? |
| 22:25.48 | Kerr | nvz: voice overrides quiet ban; id'd users can be autovoiced, iirc. |
| 22:25.54 | SerajewelKS | Surferdude: google should |
| 22:26.01 | abrotman | Surferdude: each pxe/tftpd server has docs |
| 22:26.03 | Kerr | i'm no too familiar with this ircd, or services. |
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| 22:26.16 | nvz | Kerr: hmm that might be a loophole |
| 22:26.16 | *** part/#debian davFr (n=chatzill@gob75-5-82-230-88-157.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 22:26.21 | Babbelaar | there we go |
| 22:26.22 | Myon | hmm, it looks like forwarding per netmask doesn't work either, does it? |
| 22:26.25 | Babbelaar | may i be of service kerr |
| 22:26.43 | Surferdude | already googled, it just shows me how to boot debian over pxe, not setup a pxe server on debian |
| 22:26.44 | nvz | Kerr: but the thing is can we get identified users of a certain domain onto the autovoice list |
| 22:26.49 | streuner | Myon: it would be great to ban a certain range of IP's |
| 22:27.07 | blondie | nvz: you could with a bot. |
| 22:27.10 | Myon | that's what is done now |
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| 22:27.32 | nvz | blondie: thats what I am getting at, patching services or eggdrop/debhelper to aid in these situations |
| 22:27.54 | streuner | Myon: you have a certain range of IP's, depends where you live, but the IP would be resolved |
| 22:28.19 | Myon | streuner: I have no idea what you want to tell me |
| 22:28.19 | blondie | you could blame the ISP for having a retarded hostname/IP allocation system :) |
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| 22:28.55 | nvz | christel: hello ;) |
| 22:28.57 | streuner | Myon: nevermind, with this host you have to go the hard way or just ban the whole ISP |
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| 22:29.23 | christel | heya nvz :) |
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| 22:29.43 | Myon | blondie: the blame goes for using one domain for a whole bunch of resellers |
| 22:30.02 | Myon | no idea if they allocate IP ranges separately for them, but I doubt it |
| 22:30.05 | blondie | Myon: right |
| 22:30.10 | nvz | christel: whats the latest proceedure for nick/ip changing ban evaders? is what everyone in #debian wants to know. |
| 22:30.20 | gravity | :-) |
| 22:30.41 | streuner | Myon: they do, but i have no idea how to realize it to ban in IRC... |
| 22:31.21 | streuner | Myon: especially not with this host p54942080.dip0.t-ipconnect.de |
| 22:31.48 | Myon | https://abuse.t-ipnet.de/cgi-bin/abuse.pl |
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| 22:32.46 | nvz | Myon: how can you report abuse of such a random nature.. they probably dont even keep good enough logs to track down the user if I gave them a hostname and a time and date |
| 22:33.03 | Kerr | /msg chanserv access #debian add *!*@*dip0.t-ipconnect.de 2 |
| 22:33.03 | Kerr | with auto-voice set to level 2 would auto-voice regged users using ipconnect |
| 22:33.17 | Kerr | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:33.25 | Kerr | partisan^ |
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| 22:33.35 | Kerr | imo it's the best solution |
| 22:34.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 698] by debhelper |
| 22:34.08 | nvz | yep, seems like the ticket in this case |
| 22:34.11 | Kerr | so if he continues, you have a list of abuse that would stand against him. |
| 22:34.23 | Kerr | the isp couldn't ignore it. |
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| 22:34.32 | blondie | Kerr: yes they could! |
| 22:34.35 | nvz | heh |
| 22:34.44 | streuner | Kerr: the range is prolly a long long list... |
| 22:34.47 | gravity | He has several machines, all with different ip's |
| 22:34.54 | gravity | Or at least, several different ip's at once |
| 22:35.02 | Kerr | blondie: imo it would stand if you threatened court. |
| 22:35.02 | blondie | or just keeps reconnecting |
| 22:35.07 | Myon | I guess he just reconnected |
| 22:35.08 | blondie | Kerr: court? lol |
| 22:35.17 | blondie | Kerr: on what grounds? |
| 22:35.19 | Myon | you get a different IP every time |
| 22:35.20 | abrotman | gravity: no .. i think he was just disconnecting his PPP without disconnecting IRC .. which will timeout after a while ... |
| 22:35.24 | gravity | No, he had them all in the channel at the same time |
| 22:35.27 | Kerr | tresspassing; abuse of computers act. I don't know german law. |
| 22:35.29 | gravity | abrotman: Ah, that's possible |
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| 22:35.32 | streuner | Myon: in a certain range |
| 22:35.36 | abrotman | gravity: didn't you notce they all timed out? |
| 22:35.50 | blondie | Kerr: I very much doubt "being annoying on IRC" counts |
| 22:35.57 | Myon | streuner: you are not helpful |
| 22:36.02 | abrotman | hehe |
| 22:36.11 | Kerr | blondie: ban evasion is internet trespass, and actionable, iirc. |
| 22:36.15 | Myon | streuner: the whole discussion is about how to avoid to ban a whole range |
| 22:36.23 | Kerr | though it depends on the country some. |
| 22:36.29 | fernandotcl | hello... what packages are needed to run java swt programs? i already have libswt3.1-gtk-java/jni and kaffe, but java myclass.class says there's no org.eclipse.swt.widgets.Display |
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| 22:36.31 | blondie | I very much doubt it |
| 22:36.36 | Kerr | it's hard to prove beyond reasonable dobut though. |
| 22:36.45 | Kerr | the scenario i suggested would leave proof. |
| 22:36.48 | blondie | bans can't be evaded |
| 22:37.03 | streuner | Myon: i told you, you going the hard way or just ban (+q or +b) the whole ISP |
| 22:37.04 | blondie | it just means the wrong thing was banned. |
| 22:37.09 | blondie | you ban a hostmask, not a user |
| 22:37.23 | blondie | s/user/named person/ |
| 22:37.28 | harfooz | hi all -- I keep getting a GPG error associated with ftp.us.debian.org etch. I tried following the instructions that dpkg gave me related to secure-testing-master apt-key, but the symptoms still exist: invalid signature. |
| 22:37.36 | streuner | Myon: but +q is better, those people could join at least, and somebody could make an exeption today |
| 22:37.48 | abrotman | heheh |
| 22:38.15 | harfooz | I'm unable to run apt-get update as a result. |
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| 22:38.37 | harfooz | ...even though apt- tells me that I may want to run apt-get update to correct the problem :-O |
| 22:38.47 | abrotman | harfooz: wait .. it will be fixed in a few hours |
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| 22:38.56 | harfooz | abrotman, ok -- thanks! |
| 22:39.03 | dooglus | beered: did you find a spell-check for irssi? I'd be interestid in that to. |
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| 22:39.27 | Kerr | blondie: the only choices barring mine are ban everyone using his isp, or ban him on sight. Neither are fair. |
| 22:39.49 | blondie | Kerr: so? |
| 22:40.05 | Babbelaar | how do i change the kernel rouitng tables? |
| 22:40.11 | abrotman | man route |
| 22:40.43 | Babbelaar | tnx |
| 22:41.55 | Kerr | Myon: may i suggest those discussing idiotzero join another channel, ie #debian.bans, the whole thing is disruptive.. he's stopping the channel's regular use without even being here. |
| 22:42.12 | *** mode/#debian [+d foo] by christel |
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| 22:42.48 | streuner | what the hell is +d? |
| 22:42.56 | Myon | http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml |
| 22:43.01 | gravity | Ok, let's try unbanning the isp |
| 22:43.10 | *** mode/#debian [+o gravity] by ChanServ |
| 22:43.10 | Kerr | +d (realname ban) |
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| 22:43.17 | christel | streuner: bans on gecos, which so far is the only thing he hasnt changed |
| 22:43.18 | abrotman | Kerr: he changed real names |
| 22:43.25 | abrotman | no . he did |
| 22:43.27 | abrotman | free and foo |
| 22:43.27 | Kerr | i didn't set the ban :) |
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| 22:43.40 | christel | i suggest one on free too then :) |
| 22:43.42 | abrotman | on top of his original |
| 22:43.42 | Kerr | I still think my idea utilising chanserv works best :) |
| 22:44.23 | streuner | Kerr: we all love freedom, and freedom have sometimes its price. |
| 22:44.30 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*@*dip0.t-ipconnect.de] by gravity |
| 22:44.33 | blondie | abrotman: that was the username not the real name |
| 22:44.39 | blondie | unless he changed both |
| 22:44.41 | Myon | what about +q for the whole isp and using +v for people joining from there? |
| 22:44.42 | *** mode/#debian [-o gravity] by gravity |
| 22:44.47 | gravity | Ok, let's see how that goes |
| 22:44.52 | Kerr | also /msg chanserv autorem add *initz*r* |
| 22:44.56 | abrotman | blondie: /whowas initzero__ .. and initzzz3r0 |
| 22:44.59 | Kerr | will ban him on koin |
| 22:45.03 | Kerr | in join^ |
| 22:45.05 | Kerr | on join |
| 22:45.07 | Kerr | geh |
| 22:45.09 | christel | i know he changed ident and nicks, but the nicks i could get a whowas on had a consistant gecos |
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| 22:45.19 | Kerr | chanserv has some coll stuff; you can beat him if you use it. |
| 22:45.23 | Kerr | cool^ |
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| 22:45.28 | Kerr | so damn tired ~.~ |
| 22:45.33 | abrotman | so go to bed :) |
| 22:45.37 | blondie | ok |
| 22:45.40 | Kerr | stuff to do :) |
| 22:45.43 | abrotman | blondie: now? |
| 22:45.55 | blondie | now what? :) |
| 22:46.06 | streuner | gravity: the channel is still in +r mode... |
| 22:46.15 | gravity | streuner: I didn't do that |
| 22:46.16 | abrotman | and +g i think |
| 22:46.16 | FliesLikeABrick | has anyone here owned or used an IBM x330 server? |
| 22:46.20 | abrotman | gravity: yeah you did |
| 22:46.29 | gravity | hrm, when did I do that? |
| 22:46.30 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:46.30 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:46.32 | Kerr | unfortunatley i deal with a lot of idiots on some of the small ircnets i'm staff on... any chanops with high enough access about i can try and help? or are you happy with +r ? |
| 22:46.35 | gravity | wtf... |
| 22:46.41 | blondie | you did +gr |
| 22:46.43 | sponzor | how to list of grubs. and how to remove grub? |
| 22:46.43 | abrotman | i didn't do it! |
| 22:46.46 | Kerr | try to help^ |
| 22:47.06 | blondie | 22:07:09 -!- mode/#debian [+gr] by gravity |
| 22:47.15 | gravity | I don't know how I did that |
| 22:47.21 | gravity | I wonder if the script is wonky |
| 22:47.26 | *** mode/#debian [+o gravity] by ChanServ |
| 22:47.31 | blondie | was the "gr" part of your nick? :) |
| 22:47.33 | *** mode/#debian [-gr] by gravity |
| 22:47.39 | gravity | Ok |
| 22:47.48 | gravity | All good before I de-op? |
| 22:47.50 | gravity | blondie: Proably |
| 22:47.52 | abrotman | wait |
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| 22:48.03 | abrotman | gravity: you still want bans on foof and initzero ? |
| 22:48.20 | gravity | abrotman: Yeah |
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| 22:48.22 | abrotman | ok |
| 22:48.27 | gravity | If someone complains, we can deal with it then |
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| 22:49.07 | ma3x | is there an ftp with resume!? |
| 22:49.15 | Myon | gravity: thanks |
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| 22:49.21 | streuner | Myon: have fun |
| 22:49.29 | matik | ma3x: lftp |
| 22:49.34 | blondie | ma3x: wget? |
| 22:49.44 | maxman | Hi. I have a serious problem. I've just inatalled Debian Sarge and I can't boot my Windows instalation anymore. Within the installation I told Debian to use the biggest available free space and in the partition overview i could clearly see the two NTFS partitions were stil there. In the GRUB bootloader i can see an entry called "Microsoft Windows XP Professional" but I can't boot it. It says... |
| 22:49.45 | maxman | ...it can't find system32/hal.dll. But I can't believe Debian would have deleted files from my NTFS partition. Can anyone help please? |
| 22:49.52 | gravity | Myon: No problem |
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| 22:50.04 | gravity | whew |
| 22:50.11 | gravity | That was my first real +o anything |
| 22:50.28 | ma3x | matik, blondie then when I interrupt the download, how do I resume it again? |
| 22:50.35 | abrotman | gravity: it may not be over yet:) |
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| 22:50.40 | blondie | with wget, wget -c |
| 22:50.46 | kevsthabes | quick question guys, is the latest update of gnome (2.14 rc1) up on the apt at all? |
| 22:50.53 | abrotman | doubtful |
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| 22:51.05 | gravity | kevsthabes: Check experimental |
| 22:51.13 | abrotman | it's not there either |
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| 22:51.39 | kevsthabes | gravity: i got it in my source.list but i cant seem to figure out anything.. lil dunce today |
| 22:51.51 | abrotman | it's not in experiemental |
| 22:51.57 | abrotman | gnome 2.12 is in sid . that's it |
| 22:52.24 | kevsthabes | guess i'll just have to build it myself |
| 22:52.27 | kevsthabes | thaks guys |
| 22:52.30 | kevsthabes | *thanks |
| 22:52.34 | Coweater | are release candidates even considered for unstable/experimental? |
| 22:52.39 | Kerr | kevsthabes: look for it on http://apt-get.org ; but don't expect support here if it breaks :) |
| 22:52.42 | abrotman | some of them are .. |
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| 22:53.08 | ma3x | blondie, what about with ftp?! |
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| 22:54.02 | blondie | ma3x: use wget |
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| 22:56.03 | matik | ma3x: lftp -> get -c |
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| 22:57.00 | chance2105 | Is there such a thing as a way to boot from floppy on an i386, with enough functionality to use netcat and dd? (knoppix-like boot from floppy) |
| 22:57.15 | ma3x | matik, blondie thanks! |
| 22:57.26 | abrotman | !sarge bf |
| 22:57.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, sarge floppies is http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitute your arch for i386 |
| 22:57.28 | abrotman | like that ? |
| 22:57.57 | chance2105 | abrotman: Does it include netcat and dd? |
| 22:58.00 | petemc | tomsrtbt might be a better bet |
| 22:58.13 | abrotman | chance2105: oh .. probablly not .. try a floppy distro . check lwn.net |
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| 22:59.08 | mrec | can someone explain pcmC2D0c? pcmC2 (third device?) D0 (???) c(??) |
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| 23:00.05 | maxman | Hi. I have a serious problem. I've just inatalled Debian Sarge and I can't boot my Windows instalation anymore. Within the installation I told Debian to use the biggest available free space and in the partition overview i could clearly see the two NTFS partitions were stil there. In the GRUB bootloader i can see an entry called "Microsoft Windows XP Professional" but I can't boot it. It says... |
| 23:00.07 | maxman | ...it can't find system32/hal.dll. But I can't believe Debian would have deleted files from my NTFS partition. Can anyone help please? |
| 23:00.57 | Myon | maxman: 1) don't repeat questions 2) try a windows channel |
| 23:01.11 | beered | maxman: http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_haldll_missing.htm |
| 23:01.19 | ice_1963 | well format your c:\ then jest install debian lol |
| 23:02.20 | maxman | Myon: 1) I'm sorry. 2) This happened after a Debian installation. Obviously GRUB can't find my NTFS partition. |
| 23:02.33 | maxman | beered: thank you. i'll follow that link |
| 23:02.49 | beered | maxman: Its got nothing to do with Debian or GRUB. |
| 23:03.16 | maxman | beered: but it didn't happen before |
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| 23:03.24 | abrotman | coincidence? |
| 23:03.35 | beered | karma. |
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| 23:05.48 | beered | Are Debian code names going to change after Sid? |
| 23:05.59 | vulture | beered: "after Sid"? |
| 23:06.04 | vulture | that question doesn't make sense |
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| 23:06.23 | gravity | beered: After etch, etch's codename will change. Sid's codename doesn't change because unstable will always be sid with the current development model |
| 23:06.26 | beered | It makes perfect sense. Sid is the last charachter in the Toy Story. |
| 23:06.33 | jordan | Hi, I am having some trouble with artwiz fonts |
| 23:06.38 | abrotman | testing's codename will change |
| 23:06.47 | jordan | They are installed correctly |
| 23:06.47 | beered | ah. ty. |
| 23:06.47 | gravity | beered: Or rather, after etch becomes stable, testing will get a new codename. etch will remain etch, but will become stable, then oldstable, then nothing |
| 23:06.50 | vulture | beered: "last" in what sense? and it doesn't make sense because Sid will never be released - there is no "after Sid" |
| 23:07.02 | jordan | But i dont think they are configured right |
| 23:07.04 | Phated | Eh? What about molly? scud? soldierboy, even? legs? frog? |
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| 23:07.29 | beered | hehe... |
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| 23:08.12 | Phated | mrsnesbit, even. |
| 23:08.13 | gnufan | beered: they'll worry when Debian releases exceed Toy Story releases by an order of magnitude |
| 23:08.27 | Phated | littlegreenman#425. |
| 23:08.47 | beered | gnufan: that will be the day. |
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| 23:09.22 | gnufan | beered: at current release rates we're good for my expected lifespan ;) |
| 23:09.51 | itsmike | must go now 1 laptop 500$ 1 desktop 500$ message me if interested on msn at mcsltd2@hotmail.com, aim at ogd443 or yahoo at thishastogotoday |
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| 23:10.21 | beered | gnufan: I didn't realize how young you are. |
| 23:10.31 | loke | im trying to make aterm borderless, i tried the -bl switch but it doesnt seem to be working in fluxbox. how can i make aterm borderless in fluxbox? |
| 23:10.39 | jordan | Can anyone help with my font issue? |
| 23:10.54 | loke | jordan ask dpkg |
| 23:10.54 | E0x | loke #fluxbox |
| 23:10.55 | itsmike | must go now 1 laptop 500$ 1 desktop 500$ message me if interested on msn at mcsltd2@hotmail.com, aim at ogd443 or yahoo at thishastogotoday |
| 23:11.01 | abrotman | itsmike: PISS OFF AND DIE |
| 23:11.11 | loke | E0x ok... |
| 23:11.22 | jordan | loke: read the man pages for the apps file for fluxbox, it in there. |
| 23:11.37 | jordan | it is in there* |
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| 23:11.40 | Kerr | if debian runs out of toy story characters; it can be named after places, or things, or move to something else by pixar? or, you know..start again,since nobody who saw the first name will be alive by the time debian gets to the last? |
| 23:11.49 | Phated | Erh, karsten. |
| 23:11.51 | loke | the man pages for the apps file for fluxbox??? |
| 23:11.54 | Phated | Kerr: Toy Story 2. |
| 23:12.00 | jordan | loke.. er documentation |
| 23:12.12 | beered | Kerr: by that time TV will be obsolete. |
| 23:12.29 | streuner | Kerr: pixar is part of WD, so why not use names of them then? |
| 23:12.44 | karsten | abrotman: No ops on channel? |
| 23:12.55 | abrotman | karsten: it deserves a kline |
| 23:13.04 | karsten | abrotman: #freenode? |
| 23:13.07 | streuner | !pal karsten for asking for ops at sundays |
| 23:13.07 | Kerr | by that time debian will have overthrown windows, and all other distros, and won't need a name, as the world will religiously update regardless. |
| 23:13.24 | abrotman | karsten: /stats p |
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| 23:13.43 | _satans_1y | LANGUAGE=sv_SE:sv:en_GB:en |
| 23:13.47 | _satans_1y | how do I change that? |
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| 23:14.00 | usr13 | Hypothetical question: If I want to reboot at 3am every morning, I woudl do crontab -e (as root) and enter, "0 3 * * * reboot" ? |
| 23:14.09 | jordan | dpkg does not have anything on artwiz fonts |
| 23:14.16 | karsten | abrotman: Yeah. |
| 23:14.22 | gravity | xfonts-artwiz? |
| 23:14.26 | abrotman | karsten: one of which is in here :) |
| 23:14.32 | streuner | _satans_1y: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 23:14.33 | karsten | abrotman: Coolio. |
| 23:14.33 | beered | New York Times, Dec 1, 2999. News headlines: 'Linux religious wars continue, planet in danger' |
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| 23:14.43 | usr13 | That's all there is to it, right? |
| 23:14.44 | Kerr | doesn't reboot go to maintinence mode or something O.o |
| 23:14.48 | _satans_1y | streuner: done that, just changes LANG= |
| 23:14.50 | jordan | gravity, No, they are not working correctly |
| 23:14.52 | blondie | who's being naughty now then? |
| 23:15.07 | gravity | hrm |
| 23:15.12 | usr13 | All I want it to do is reboot. |
| 23:15.18 | jordan | dont show up that is |
| 23:15.32 | blondie | why do you want to reboot every day? |
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| 23:15.40 | jordan | and they are not available to gnome, leading me to think they are not configured correctly |
| 23:16.06 | streuner | LoRez! |
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| 23:16.21 | streuner | hm |
| 23:16.24 | streuner | true |
| 23:16.37 | ice_1963 | killall gnome-panel |
| 23:16.39 | Seb | sup y'all |
| 23:16.44 | usr13 | blondie: because there's an application that aparently has a memory leak and just keeps hogging up more and more system resoruces untill it bogs down to an untollerable level. |
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| 23:16.57 | blondie | usr13: well dont use it then |
| 23:17.00 | blondie | (that program) |
| 23:17.02 | beered | usr13: this is not windows channel. |
| 23:17.09 | beered | :> |
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| 23:17.30 | usr13 | EMS server |
| 23:17.36 | weasel_00 | but everytime i enter #windows i get a blue screen : |
| 23:17.48 | Shadowcat | weasel_00: and that isn't funny |
| 23:17.51 | beered | EMS as in European Mathematical Society (org.) |
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| 23:18.19 | usr13 | but that's besides the point... (beered, no that's not it). |
| 23:18.37 | christel | thanks abrotman :) |
| 23:18.41 | concept10 | this Cobalt Raq is damn slow |
| 23:18.53 | weasel_00 | Shad0wcat : sorry.. ill go back to my holenow ;) |
| 23:18.55 | usr13 | It's a server application that has a bug in it, supposed to be fixed soon, but not right now. |
| 23:19.08 | Shadowcat | usr13: and how exactly is that our problem? |
| 23:19.19 | usr13 | Shadowcat: It' |
| 23:19.23 | blondie | usr13: why cant you just kill and restart that program, or just not use it |
| 23:19.31 | beered | Shadowcat: ppft. Its Sunday. Anything goes. |
| 23:19.35 | usr13 | Shadowcat: it is not your problem. Sorry for asking. |
| 23:19.51 | Shadowcat | [2006-03-13][00:19:41] <beered> Shadowcat: ppft. Its Sunday. Anything goes. <---- correction, it's Monday |
| 23:19.51 | usr13 | the question was about crontab |
| 23:19.56 | usr13 | thanks anyway. |
| 23:19.56 | Shadowcat | and I'm on call |
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| 23:20.11 | blondie | Shadowcat: no, it's sunday |
| 23:20.14 | abrotman | Shadowcat: afaik .. still sunday UTC |
| 23:20.17 | weasel_00 | Shadowcat : winME *shiver* i stuck with w2k ;) |
| 23:20.26 | Shadowcat | Monday here |
| 23:21.05 | Shadowcat | cookies == evil |
| 23:21.18 | Shadowcat | I don't want cookies |
| 23:21.18 | blondie | no, cookies are good |
| 23:21.20 | blondie | :P |
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| 23:21.29 | Shadowcat | blondie: I swear I'm gonna make you a brunette |
| 23:21.32 | Vinlanda | I'm running a website with apache and I was wondering if there is any sorta program that allows me to monitor the traffic so I can see how much I'm getting and where its comming from, etc. Any suggestions. |
| 23:21.42 | christel | nooo :( |
| 23:21.48 | beered | Vinlanda: mrtg |
| 23:21.48 | christel | dcookies thieves |
| 23:21.50 | christel | -d |
| 23:21.54 | blondie | Shadowcat: well my hair is already dark brown if it helps? |
| 23:22.17 | Shadowcat | weasel_00: congrats, you're officially the channel llama |
| 23:22.30 | blondie | but I would say "brunette" applies only to women |
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| 23:24.23 | fausto | someone have tested xgl as xerver?? |
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| 23:24.32 | Mr0bvious | How can I find out what version of automake I have? |
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| 23:25.31 | blondie | o.O |
| 23:25.48 | dondelelcaro | Mr0bvious: locate bin/automake- |
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| 23:26.06 | dondelelcaro | Mr0bvious: or dpkg -l automake* |
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| 23:26.28 | Mr0bvious | paul@upstairs:~/e$ locate bin/automake |
| 23:26.28 | Mr0bvious | /usr/bin/automake |
| 23:26.28 | Mr0bvious | /usr/bin/automake-1.4 |
| 23:26.28 | Mr0bvious | /usr/bin/automake-1.9 |
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| 23:26.35 | dondelelcaro | liable: ? |
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| 23:26.42 | Mr0bvious | Hmm I have both. |
| 23:26.47 | Bucciarati | dpkg -l automake\* |
| 23:26.47 | dpkg | No packages found matching automake\* |
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| 23:27.07 | dondelelcaro | unstable: what about it? |
| 23:27.08 | Bucciarati | yeah right |
| 23:27.14 | Mr0bvious | What's the command to uninstall something? |
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| 23:27.20 | dondelelcaro | Mr0bvious: dpkg -r foopkg; |
| 23:27.49 | dondelelcaro | Mr0bvious: however, there's really no reason to remove automake-1.4 as the automake wrapper is capable of picking the right one to run |
| 23:28.00 | Mr0bvious | Hmm. |
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| 23:29.42 | Vinlanda | So for monitoring website traffic (like where its comming from) most people would use mrtg, or is there a simpler way? |
| 23:30.32 | Vinlanda | one of my sites is a postnuke site and it has a traffic monitoring thing right in it. the other one is a site built with frontpage and I have no way of monitoring where trafic is comming from. ' |
| 23:31.23 | zOap | Vinlanda, ehrm, sorry to bother you.. But are you freely saying you built a site in frontpage? noone forcing you with a knife there? :O |
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| 23:31.46 | streuner | dondelelcaro: are you care to tell what reason you have to ban --- dondelelcaro sets ban on *!*foo@*dip0.t-ipconnect.de |
| 23:31.50 | Vinlanda | z0ap - haha, I built one site with frontpage and I will never build another again. |
| 23:32.08 | abrotman | engrish? |
| 23:32.22 | zOap | good, glad you learned something:P |
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| 23:32.33 | Vinlanda | it was a tough lesson |
| 23:32.48 | zOap | I know, been there. sigh, what a trip |
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| 23:33.50 | Vinlanda | but..easy thing to use to see where my traffic is comming from? |
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| 23:35.23 | Vinlanda | z0ap?....anyone |
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| 23:35.35 | tarzeau | abrotman: i told you i got fast opengl now. still want briquolo? |
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| 23:35.38 | stpeter | hi all |
| 23:35.52 | tarzeau | strange still nobody itp'd it |
| 23:35.57 | abrotman | tarzeau: i haven't tried to package it yet |
| 23:36.06 | tarzeau | abrotman: i know you are a lazy bum |
| 23:36.13 | stpeter | someone know how gtk can be used without the xserver? |
| 23:36.14 | abrotman | tarzeau: i've been working .. what's your excuse? |
| 23:36.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: that's why i have it packaged for my lazy bum |
| 23:36.22 | blondie | mm bum |
| 23:36.24 | tarzeau | abrotman: i've been dating. and i work too |
| 23:36.29 | resiak | stpeter: on the framebuffer! |
| 23:36.43 | abrotman | tarzeau: if you want to call what you do 'work' |
| 23:36.50 | tarzeau | abrotman: at least you could've done the ITP , it's just one mail! |
| 23:37.02 | tarzeau | abrotman: if you knew... |
| 23:37.09 | abrotman | tarzeau: yeah .. i was just going to package it . i forgot |
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| 23:38.52 | hruske | hey. |
| 23:39.00 | tarzeau | abrotman: do you want to say something in README.Debian ? |
| 23:39.07 | hruske | how can i unsubscribe from debian mailing lists? |
| 23:39.08 | tarzeau | abrotman: like greeting your mom? |
| 23:39.20 | abrotman | tarzeau: i don't think my mom would be very happy |
| 23:39.31 | abrotman | hruske: it should tell you at the bottom of the email |
| 23:39.44 | hruske | it doesn't want to work |
| 23:39.56 | abrotman | might take a few hours |
| 23:40.12 | blondie | snuggle |
| 23:40.18 | abrotman | for a few hours? |
| 23:40.19 | dondelelcaro | streuner: because that individual was evading bans. Read your scrollback. |
| 23:40.27 | concept10 | witf is a null modem cable? |
| 23:40.30 | hruske | no, i get an email saying i'm not subscribed, but majordomo 'which' says i am |
| 23:40.33 | abrotman | concept10: use google |
| 23:40.40 | concept10 | abrotman, no |
| 23:40.45 | abrotman | concept10: yes |
| 23:40.47 | concept10 | :) |
| 23:41.10 | abrotman | iirc .. wikipedia has an article |
| 23:41.10 | concept10 | abrotman, it was debian related :) |
| 23:41.12 | streuner | dondelelcaro: 'foo' is used by identd too |
| 23:41.25 | abrotman | concept10: right ... |
| 23:41.31 | dondelelcaro | streuner: sure, that's why it's restricted to an ip range. |
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| 23:41.58 | concept10 | abrotman, sorry, I reading a Debian on Cobalt page, just had a quick question |
| 23:42.03 | setuid | What is the Debian equivalent of a .spec file? |
| 23:42.07 | abrotman | !null modem cable |
| 23:42.14 | dondelelcaro | setuid: debian/* |
| 23:42.15 | blondie | dondelelcaro: you think that'll work? he already changed his username a few times. |
| 23:42.19 | setuid | ...in the .deb files themselves, and is there some sort of wizard/editor that lets me create them? |
| 23:42.19 | abrotman | sett[away]: deb .. bah |
| 23:42.23 | abrotman | and i misfired! |
| 23:42.27 | dondelelcaro | blondie: if it doesn't, we'll add more bans... |
| 23:42.43 | blondie | dondelelcaro: there were plenty added and evaded |
| 23:42.48 | setuid | dondelelcaro: Right, so how does one go about making a .deb from a custom source tree, knowing nothing about how to build .debs before? |
| 23:42.50 | dondelelcaro | blondie: I know, I read them. |
| 23:42.54 | dondelelcaro | !nm guide |
| 23:42.54 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide contains an introductory tutorial on the art of making Debian packages. It is located at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ There is also an additional guide that the Debian Women subproject has put together which may be useful: http://women.alioth.debian.org/wiki/index.php/English/BuildingWithoutHelper |
| 23:42.57 | blondie | right |
| 23:43.32 | concept10 | abrotman, yeah, wikipedia has a nice page on it |
| 23:43.33 | Supaplex | center |
| 23:43.38 | deepfrze | is anyone else getting gpg errors on apt-get update? |
| 23:43.43 | abrotman | concept10: good for you |
| 23:43.44 | blondie | ha |
| 23:43.45 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 23:43.45 | dpkg | <reality> whats the debian package with all the build essentials? |
| 23:43.47 | setuid | concept10: on what? |
| 23:43.48 | abrotman | deepfrze: yes .. fixed in a few hours |
| 23:43.55 | streuner | dondelelcaro: well, but the ban bans ALL users who use nullidentd of ALL users in ipconnect.de |
| 23:43.57 | concept10 | abrotman, thanks sir |
| 23:44.04 | deepfrze | abrotman: thanks... |
| 23:44.10 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 23:44.10 | dpkg | methinks qotd154 is 11:41 < greycat> o/~ BREEZY, BREEZY / GIVE ME THE ANSWER, DUDE! / I INSTALLED IT / AND NOW ALL MY DISKS ARE SCREWED! o/~ (add "lol" to taste) |
| 23:44.13 | abrotman | look at that .. two in a row! |
| 23:44.35 | resiak | abrotman: you're going up in kingsley's rankings now ;) |
| 23:44.39 | dondelelcaro | streuner: sure. If it becomes a problem I'll deal with it then. |
| 23:44.44 | abrotman | resiak: boo! |
| 23:44.58 | abrotman | ban germany! |
| 23:45.14 | Supaplex | NIN! |
| 23:45.15 | Supaplex | ;) |
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| 23:45.26 | resiak | Supaplex: nin == nine inch nails != niew |
| 23:45.28 | resiak | erm |
| 23:45.29 | resiak | nien |
| 23:45.36 | resiak | (doh!) |
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| 23:46.01 | illsci_ | hey can i get some help with lvm and device mapper... I build a kernel from the kernel.org sources and when I reboot it doesnt find the lvm devices and kernel panics... i have the dm_mod and lvm stuff compiled in and im not using any loadable modules |
| 23:46.01 | Supaplex | resiak: I suspected as much :) thanks for the correction |
| 23:46.03 | illsci_ | what am i missing |
| 23:46.06 | resiak | Supaplex: NP :-) |
| 23:46.21 | resiak | !debian kernel images |
| 23:46.21 | dpkg | <hexxeh|work> 99% of people in here who ask about compiling their own kernels are idiots, who don't know what they did, or did it badly. debian kernel images exist for a reason. |
| 23:46.31 | Supaplex | illsci_: is /boot w/ or w/o lvm? |
| 23:46.32 | illsci_ | kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.14.6-grsec root=/dev/mapper/vg0-lv0 |
| 23:46.37 | illsci_ | is my kernel line |
| 23:46.44 | blondie | just use a debian kernel |
| 23:46.47 | illsci_ | no |
| 23:46.51 | blondie | if you want to compile stuff, use gentoo |
| 23:46.52 | blondie | YES |
| 23:47.05 | dondelelcaro | blondie: relax. If you don't want to help someone, use /ignore. |
| 23:47.06 | illsci_ | debian grsec patches are outdated |
| 23:47.08 | abrotman | concept10: if you don't want it .. find a DD to donate it to . they're useful for arm porters |
| 23:47.09 | tarzeau | blondie: debian's fine for compiling too |
| 23:47.11 | illsci_ | and so is the gradm stuff |
| 23:47.15 | Supaplex | illsci_: /boot does not play nice with lvm. |
| 23:47.15 | blondie | ok |
| 23:47.25 | resiak | so apply a grsec patch to a debian kernel source? |
| 23:47.27 | blondie | I'll actually go to sleep |
| 23:47.36 | illsci_ | im not sure if it applys cleanly or not |
| 23:47.38 | illsci_ | i dont think it does |
| 23:47.41 | resiak | illsci_: but it is much easier to jus put /boot on non-LVM |
| 23:47.59 | illsci_ | well maybe but i would really just like to get this to work the way it |
| 23:48.05 | illsci_ | and /boot is not on a lvm partition |
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| 23:48.13 | concept10 | abrotman, I will put up a post about it. good idea |
| 23:48.14 | dondelelcaro | iirc, you'll still need an initrd to bring up the lvm mapper. |
| 23:48.16 | resiak | oh, sorry, I misread |
| 23:48.24 | Supaplex | illsci_: oh, and you're using initrd right? |
| 23:48.28 | illsci_ | no im not |
| 23:48.33 | abrotman | concept10: make sure it's ARM first :) |
| 23:48.35 | illsci_ | i dont have kernel modules enabled |
| 23:48.47 | abrotman | concept10: they changed what was inside them .. but there should be a debian-arm list |
| 23:49.34 | Supaplex | illsci_: I setup lvm+raid on debian using non lvm /root and initrd with extra utils for managing lvm (so it can do it's busy work). google it, you may find the same howtos I did |
| 23:49.50 | dondelelcaro | illsci_: inintrd's don't only deal with modules... |
| 23:49.59 | concept10 | abrotman, yeah, i just read that, it has a mips proc |
| 23:50.10 | abrotman | yay! |
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| 23:50.21 | abrotman | concept10: oh yeah .. they're mips . .not arm .. been a while :) |
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| 23:50.28 | Supaplex | mips or bogomips, you decide. ;) |
| 23:50.30 | illsci_ | i didnt know of any other reason to use initrds besides modules |
| 23:50.40 | *** mode/#debian [-dd +m hash] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:50.42 | Supaplex | !initrd |
| 23:50.42 | dpkg | i guess initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230 |
| 23:50.43 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:50.52 | Virtual | is there any way to save the settings from alsamixergui, everytime I restart my computer the settings are gone and the computer is mute |
| 23:50.56 | illsci_ | anyway |
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| 23:51.13 | Supaplex | illsci_: ^^^ see the lvm part from dpkg? |
| 23:51.53 | illsci_ | hmmm |
| 23:51.55 | illsci_ | let me check that link |
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| 23:59.50 | Supaplex | and there was silence in the land for many hours :-X |
