| 00:00.06 | jerware | are there any good debian sites for deploying debian as a server? NFS FTP Samba DNS DHCP |
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| 00:01.13 | mzilikazi | jerware: debian-administration.org has some good docs on that subject, there are plenty of others, falko timme writes some good docs although i often wonder why he chooses to build some things from source |
| 00:01.16 | kspath | jerware: Are you asking if there are any simple copy/paste instructions for building debian servers that can support NFS, FTP, Samba, DNS, and DHCP? |
| 00:01.22 | jerware | thanx fellaz |
| 00:01.33 | uwe | hello, im trying to get my wg111 netgear usb wireless to work with debian, im using testing and i think i got the stick to function, it flashes and ndiswrapper says it sees the hardware and the ndiswrapper module is in kernel, but how can i configure the parameters for the wireless, i dont have /etc/wireless or something similar, does any one know? |
| 00:01.56 | jerware | not copy paste, concise instructions on deploying and and configuring these services |
| 00:01.58 | mzilikazi | uwe: iwconfig ? |
| 00:02.39 | buu | kspath: 0000:03:01.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5500] (rev a1) |
| 00:02.59 | uwe | mzilikazi, i have it, but i cant find a configuration file |
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| 00:03.59 | kspath | buu: I am seeing mention of something called twinview |
| 00:04.29 | srw | uwe: we put them in /etc/network/interfaces around here ;) |
| 00:05.14 | kspath | buu: When I search for mutlti-head cards related to Nvidia. I did not search completely yet but it appears you would only mention that card once which makes sense. It only has one busid. |
| 00:05.15 | CyberPope | hi there, can anyone tell me why my swap is empty while the 1gig ram are almost completely used? http://tinyurl.com/gpefz |
| 00:05.19 | mzilikazi | uwe: well just use it to configure the card: iwconfig <device> essid <your essid> ap <your ap> etc etc |
| 00:05.27 | mzilikazi | then you can simply put that in a script |
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| 00:06.21 | Stevie | wtf |
| 00:06.31 | Stevie | my screen process keeps freezing |
| 00:06.47 | srw | uwe: man 7 wireless, read the debian section? |
| 00:06.58 | mzilikazi | not one single solitary soul can compare some simple startup links for me? http://pastebin.com/600707 |
| 00:07.08 | mzilikazi | cmon where's the love? |
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| 00:08.43 | CyberPope | hi there, can anyone tell me why my swap is empty while the 1gig ram are almost completely used? http://tinyurl.com/gpefz |
| 00:09.42 | Coweater | it isn't completely used |
| 00:09.46 | starfishy | CyberPope, because a lot of your ram is used for buffers, which are increased and reduced in size for optimal utilization |
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| 00:10.03 | Coweater | cached ram is freed for applications when needed |
| 00:10.09 | CyberPope | so it's nothing to worry about? what about the empty swap |
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| 00:10.19 | Seb | !comfort CyberPope |
| 00:10.20 | dpkg | There, there, CyberPope. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 00:10.26 | CyberPope | <3 |
| 00:10.30 | CyberPope | ty :) |
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| 00:11.27 | Stevie | wtf |
| 00:11.35 | linoleum_ | hello, I would like to remove completly XFCE, how can I do that with aptitude? txk |
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| 00:12.25 | Stevie | is there any way to determine the uid and gid lists of another process? |
| 00:12.29 | _vchrizz_ | omg... everytime i open some page with any browser (got mozilla_1.7.5-1 and firefox_1.0.7-1 installed) which has flash animation on it, the browser doesnt respond... i installed flashplugin-nonfree(7.0.61-1.2) and swf-player(0.3.6-2) ... |
| 00:12.39 | Seb | linoleum_: dpkg -l | grep -E 'ii.*xfce.*' | awk '{print $2}' | xargs sudo apt-get remove --yes |
| 00:12.40 | _vchrizz_ | mzilikazi: http://pastebin.com/600725 |
| 00:12.44 | Seb | linoleum_: untested, but you get the idea |
| 00:12.57 | Seb | Stevie: "lists" ? |
| 00:13.03 | kspath | buu: your use of Screen 0 and Screen 1 in the Device seems right of your card type. |
| 00:13.14 | Stevie | well their can be multiple active gids |
| 00:13.19 | Stevie | blah |
| 00:13.19 | Stevie | there |
| 00:13.24 | kspath | buu: But why was one commented and the other not commented? |
| 00:13.26 | Stevie | there can be multiple active gids |
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| 00:13.58 | lazzarello | How do I tell xfree to use the framebuffer instead of the video card driver? |
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| 00:14.19 | lazzarello | i810 driver can't do 16x9 ratio |
| 00:14.21 | _vchrizz_ | lazzarello: maybe with dpkg-reconfigure ? :) |
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| 00:14.40 | lazzarello | _vchrizz_, maybe. more specifically what is the driver name? fb? |
| 00:15.04 | _vchrizz_ | uhm, i think so, but im not sure |
| 00:15.29 | abrotman | lazzarello: why can't it? |
| 00:15.36 | _vchrizz_ | im rather new to linux desktop stuff... i used linux just for serverstuff till today ;) |
| 00:15.38 | Stevie | well wtf |
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| 00:16.20 | lazzarello | abrotman, the intel chipset doesn't disclose it's details and the resolutions are all best gueses, thus more popular 4x3 ratios like 1024x768 |
| 00:16.41 | kspath | buu: I would leave both BusID and Screen # not commented for your 1 card listed twice as if two separate devices. |
| 00:16.44 | lazzarello | abrotman, xvidtune won't even allow parameter tweaking |
| 00:16.48 | mzilikazi | _vchrizz_: thanks |
| 00:16.53 | abrotman | lazzarello: in xfree or xorg? |
| 00:17.04 | lazzarello | abrotman, xfree on sarge |
| 00:17.21 | abrotman | hehe .. that's probably why it won't do it |
| 00:17.23 | lazzarello | if you can /prove/ to me that this chipset can take arbitrary resolutions I will fall over. |
| 00:17.35 | lazzarello | I have tried xorg and xfree |
| 00:17.36 | abrotman | i don't have xfree anymore |
| 00:17.44 | abrotman | what is your actual chip ? |
| 00:17.47 | lazzarello | spent over 3 days hacking on it |
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| 00:18.03 | lazzarello | Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE |
| 00:18.04 | mzilikazi | hmm for some reason hwclockfirst.sh is not getting called |
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| 00:19.32 | _vchrizz1 | re |
| 00:20.03 | abrotman | lazzarello: i'm looking |
| 00:20.15 | grendal_prime | ya abrotman that disk is phuked |
| 00:20.55 | grendal_prime | was using testdisk on it...for some reason it has overlaping partitions, on of wich is a netware 311+ |
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| 00:21.00 | grendal_prime | pretty strange |
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| 00:21.04 | cj | re all |
| 00:21.28 | cj | so... Sun is sending me a server to try for 60 days |
| 00:21.37 | cj | how difficult would it be for me to stick sarge on it? |
| 00:21.39 | Fredz | hi, I just read /msg dpkg 2006 key and it doesn't work on my Debian/unstable, still BADSIG on apt-get update. Any idea ? |
| 00:21.43 | _vchrizz | CJ! everything alright in grove street? :D |
| 00:21.53 | stew | Fredz: /topic |
| 00:21.55 | Virtual | how do I install font system wide ? |
| 00:22.12 | abrotman | cj: sparc or x86? |
| 00:22.17 | cj | abrotman: sparc |
| 00:22.23 | Fredz | stew: as I said, I read the topic and typed /msg dpkg 2006 key |
| 00:22.25 | cj | _vchrizz: what are you talking about? :) |
| 00:22.34 | stew | Fredz: read the topic and use a different mirror |
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| 00:22.51 | abrotman | !sparc |
| 00:22.51 | dpkg | well, sparc is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html or Type make vmlinux (not kernel or bzImage or lilo or anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc |
| 00:22.57 | Fredz | stew: uh, sorry, didn't see the first words... :/ |
| 00:23.13 | _vchrizz | cj, nvm, jk ... ;) i think i play too much "gta sa" :D |
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| 00:23.57 | abrotman | _vchrizz: obviously |
| 00:24.00 | cj | thanks, abrotman |
| 00:24.26 | kspath | buu: Are you there? |
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| 00:25.13 | Azar | wow reading this article I finally had a picture of ubuntu: a windows-like linux system for people who want to get away from mswin but running something similar. huh |
| 00:25.20 | abrotman | damn bastard left |
| 00:25.31 | Azar | http://netcurmudgeon.livejournal.com/71771.html |
| 00:25.35 | kspath | abrotman: which damn bastard? |
| 00:25.51 | _vchrizz | lol azar :D |
| 00:25.51 | abrotman | he didn't hack very hard .. took me one query on google to find the answer |
| 00:26.03 | kspath | abrotman: he? |
| 00:26.22 | abrotman | kspath: lazz* |
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| 00:26.28 | Azar | so if it is true what the guy say, ubuntu users can't even tweak their os the way they want.. |
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| 00:27.20 | dijz | hi, how I can open file .xls whitout openoffice or simile |
| 00:27.28 | stew | dijz: gnumeric |
| 00:27.35 | Azar | "As with Windows, Ubuntu hides all of the inner workings from me. I don't have much control over how the system works, but the tradeoff is that I can concentrate on using the laptop to get work done instead of working on running the laptop." |
| 00:27.38 | kspath | dijz: Define what you mean by open? |
| 00:27.44 | stew | Azar: wrong channel |
| 00:27.53 | kspath | dijz: stew gave you a decent answer. |
| 00:27.55 | Azar | stew, right |
| 00:28.17 | dijz | kspath: read it |
| 00:28.21 | abrotman | other than that .. don't use xls files .. csv works just fine |
| 00:28.23 | Fredz | stew: thanks, it does work with ftp.de.debian.org |
| 00:28.33 | buu | kspath: Yeah, we finally got it working. |
| 00:28.39 | dijz | stew: i try it, thanks |
| 00:28.40 | kspath | buu: we? |
| 00:28.47 | buu | kspath: us. Plural. |
| 00:28.55 | buu | kspath: We installed nvidia drivers and xorg. |
| 00:28.58 | buu | One of them worked. |
| 00:29.03 | kspath | buu: ok hehehe |
| 00:29.12 | abrotman | !info xlhtml sid |
| 00:29.15 | buu | Now I'm trying to get sound working = |
| 00:29.19 | dpkg | xlhtml: (A program for converting Microsoft Excel Files .xls), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.5.1-5 (sid), Packaged size: 50 kB, Installed size: 176 kB |
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| 00:29.36 | Azar | buu are you running sarge, or testing? |
| 00:30.17 | _vchrizz | everytime i open a page with any browser (got mozilla_1.7.5-1 and firefox_1.0.7-1 installed) which has flash animations on it, the browser doesnt respond anmore till i force-quit it... i installed flashplugin-nonfree(7.0.61-1.2) and swf-player(0.3.6-2) ... any suggestions pls? :) |
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| 00:30.45 | Azar | anyways, I wish I know which of the latest hardware specs I could have in mind to buy for the upcoming etch.. |
| 00:31.08 | Azar | AMD and nVidia Video... Sound card too.. |
| 00:31.20 | abrotman | don't buy nvidia |
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| 00:31.52 | _vchrizz | abrotman: whats wrong about nvidia? there are all the 3dfx developers... :) |
| 00:31.55 | Azar | abrotman, but... nVidia seems the only that gives drivers for linux so far.. |
| 00:32.10 | buu | Azar: Got it, thanks. |
| 00:32.11 | Azar | abrotman: ATI looks horrible.. |
| 00:32.12 | abrotman | _vchrizz: but they can't provide open drivers? |
| 00:32.13 | buu | Yay dpkg! |
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| 00:32.32 | dmattli | 3dfx had the best free drivers |
| 00:32.38 | Stevie | hey guys |
| 00:32.39 | _vchrizz | abrotman: does ati? :D |
| 00:32.39 | abrotman | Azar: intel,ati, nvidia, sis, via .. if you're interested in playing games .. use windows |
| 00:32.47 | abrotman | _vchrizz: no . .intel does |
| 00:32.56 | Stevie | I can use "lilo -R foo" to do a one-time change of the command line lilo will use |
| 00:33.06 | Stevie | is there any similar feature for grub? |
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| 00:33.13 | Azar | abrotman: my focus is not on games, but I like to have like now.. some 10 small fun games for hard times.. |
| 00:33.14 | tony_montana | LOLOLOLOL |
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| 00:33.16 | tony_montana | hahahahaha |
| 00:33.19 | tony_montana | hihihihihihi |
| 00:33.19 | meppI | FAGS |
| 00:33.20 | tony_montana | hohohohooh |
| 00:33.22 | tony_montana | LOOOOOOOOOOOOL |
| 00:33.23 | Azar | ban |
| 00:33.23 | tony_montana | yeah |
| 00:33.26 | tony_montana | that's what i thought |
| 00:33.27 | meppI | FAG FAG FAG |
| 00:33.27 | meppI | FAG FAG FAG |
| 00:33.28 | tony_montana | fucking assholes |
| 00:33.28 | _vchrizz | 7ignore tony_montana |
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| 00:33.31 | Stevie | wtf? |
| 00:33.36 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:33.39 | Stevie | what the hell just happened? |
| 00:33.45 | abrotman | Stevie: stupid people |
| 00:33.48 | Stevie | oh, okay |
| 00:33.52 | Stevie | did you see my inquiry? |
| 00:33.57 | Azar | cafe trash people |
| 00:33.58 | Stevie | or did it get lost among the stupidity |
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| 00:34.09 | abrotman | Stevie: ask #grub |
| 00:34.09 | meppI | HI |
| 00:34.10 | meppI | ID LIKE TO KNOW |
| 00:34.11 | abrotman | !ops obvious |
| 00:34.11 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: obvious |
| 00:34.12 | meppI | WHY ACTUALLY |
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| 00:34.16 | meppI | IS DEBIAN SO FUCKING GAY!???!?!?!? |
| 00:34.17 | yulsuf | Hi |
| 00:34.17 | tony_montana | i luv u |
| 00:34.19 | tony_montana | assholes |
| 00:34.19 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 00:34.20 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@2001 618:46e:0:0:dead:babe:cafe ] by dondelelcaro |
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| 00:34.25 | tony_montana | much luv to my brothers in pen |
| 00:34.28 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: and the other one please |
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| 00:34.40 | yulsuf | some tool to record a video sessio (full X) ? |
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| 00:34.41 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@dslb-088-073-142-130.pools.arcor-ip.net] by dondelelcaro |
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| 00:34.50 | abrotman | TAG TEAM ACTION! |
| 00:34.55 | mentor | heh |
| 00:34.57 | Azar | :) |
| 00:35.09 | orchid | yulsuf: istanbul |
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| 00:35.17 | yulsuf | istanbul? |
| 00:35.18 | SerajewelKS | yulsuf: i know there is a vnc2swf program.. maybe it can do "real" video too? |
| 00:35.32 | buu | Hrm. I'm getting "WARNING: the following packages can not be authenticated" when I apt-get things. What am I missing? |
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| 00:35.38 | kspath | I knew there were lusers with free time but I thought they had more interesting luser activities to do. |
| 00:35.42 | yulsuf | orchid what's wrong with 'istanbul' ? |
| 00:35.43 | mepql | why actually is debian so f****** ***? |
| 00:35.48 | abrotman | oh ffs |
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| 00:36.03 | Azar | abrotman: I can only sit and help that an open-hardware video card to come out by the time etch is ready... |
| 00:36.07 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 00:36.20 | orchid | yulsuf: Istanbul is a desktop session recorder for the Free Desktop. |
| 00:36.31 | _vchrizz | SerajewelKS: vnc2swf? a vnc client as swf application? :) |
| 00:36.32 | Azar | I would not mind to sit on CLI all the time though, using links and irssi... no biggie, I love nethack-console as well |
| 00:36.37 | abrotman | Azar: intel ? |
| 00:36.37 | yulsuf | ahh |
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| 00:36.48 | SerajewelKS | _vchrizz: a vnc client that turns the session into an swf that replays the session |
| 00:36.50 | Azar | abrotman: AMD allways - never Intel |
| 00:36.54 | buu | dondelelcaro: Help! |
| 00:36.57 | orchid | yulsuf: theres a few others, apt-cache search session recorder |
| 00:36.58 | abrotman | Azar: for your video |
| 00:37.02 | dondelelcaro | buu: ? |
| 00:37.12 | Azar | intel video card? |
| 00:37.19 | buu | dondelelcaro: WARNING: The following packages can not be authenticated. I'm getting this from mirrors.k.o |
| 00:37.25 | yulsuf | orchid what is the site? |
| 00:37.26 | buu | dondelelcaro: Is there a fix or some such? |
| 00:37.35 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 00:37.37 | Stevie | buu: topic says: 'some mirrors borked' |
| 00:37.46 | buu | So it's just a temporary thing I should ignore? |
| 00:37.48 | orchid | yulsuf: I cant remeber, google it |
| 00:37.53 | mbishop | OSU is down |
| 00:37.55 | _vchrizz | SerajewelKS: ah i see... and how do i record a session? |
| 00:38.05 | dondelelcaro | buu: depends on what the error is. If it's a BADSIG one, it's temporary |
| 00:38.07 | athl0n | could somebody help me with setting up my ftp server..I know when I installed I told it to setup or whatever but when I go to ftp in locally from the box I guess it is not running |
| 00:38.14 | SerajewelKS | _vchrizz: you start a VNC server, and run vnc2swf. man vnc2swf. |
| 00:38.20 | Azar | buu you could try add in your sources some other mirror for the time being commenting out your old ones |
| 00:38.20 | buu | dondelelcaro: Er, is "WARNING: The following.. " BADSIG ? |
| 00:38.26 | dondelelcaro | buu: yes |
| 00:38.27 | _vchrizz | SerajewelKS: ok ok thx ;) |
| 00:38.29 | nicolas__ | can someone believe i cant process some content in the www with the firefox provided in sarge? |
| 00:38.31 | buu | Excellent. Thanks. |
| 00:38.41 | yulsuf | orchid another tool? ;) |
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| 00:39.17 | aarkerio | Hi! If I have an P4 HT, should I select one SMP kernel? |
| 00:39.37 | thingfish | aarkerio: you can, yes. |
| 00:39.39 | abrotman | buu: the topic .. read the topic! |
| 00:39.42 | abrotman | !tell aarkerio about ht |
| 00:39.46 | _vchrizz | aarkerio: yes |
| 00:39.50 | abrotman | aarkerio: in short .. yes |
| 00:40.44 | _vchrizz | !tell _vchrizz about ht |
| 00:40.49 | Stevie | what would be an excellent way to list the kernel packages I have installed? |
| 00:40.50 | _vchrizz | hum... |
| 00:40.59 | _vchrizz | !tell me about ht |
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| 00:41.06 | linoleum_ | hello, I would like to remove completly XFCE, how can I do that with aptitude? txk |
| 00:41.14 | abrotman | Stevie: dpkg -l | grep *kernel* ? |
| 00:41.16 | _vchrizz | i dont remember the bots cmds... |
| 00:41.40 | Pres-Gas | I am running unstable, how am I able to downgrade to testing? |
| 00:41.42 | Stevie | can I ditch the old kernels with a simple 'apt-get remove foo' ? |
| 00:41.44 | Azar | _vchrizz: /msg dpkg "yoursubject" |
| 00:41.56 | _vchrizz | ah k ;) hx |
| 00:41.57 | _vchrizz | thx |
| 00:42.09 | Azar | Pres-Gas: you cannot go back. Reinstall and start over from Sarge up |
| 00:42.16 | Stevie | CONFIG_CPU_LOBOTOMY? |
| 00:42.18 | abrotman | Stevie: yes .. but a good idea to keep at least one |
| 00:42.25 | Azar | haha Stevie |
| 00:42.27 | SerajewelKS | hmm, do athlon XP's have HT? or is HT strictly an Intel thing? |
| 00:42.31 | Stevie | Azar: /msg dpkg ht |
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| 00:42.38 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: it's a horrible hack that doesn't really work |
| 00:42.45 | Stevie | abrotman: bah |
| 00:42.47 | nicolas__ | does anyone knows why glxgears became so ugly in sarge? |
| 00:42.51 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: cool, but that doesn't answer my question |
| 00:42.52 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: AMD has dual cores .. like intel .. HT is a pile of doggie doo |
| 00:43.00 | Stevie | HT is crap. |
| 00:43.01 | abrotman | and HT is now dead afaik |
| 00:43.06 | Pres-Gas | Azar, I am fine with that, but I figure if it were possible to downgrade. I saw that vnc4 is now in testing |
| 00:43.13 | Azar | nicolas__: I do not know glxgears, what is that? |
| 00:43.15 | Stevie | Two cores that share FPU context |
| 00:43.17 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: do you need an SMP board to use a dual-core CPU? |
| 00:43.28 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: motherboard that is |
| 00:43.30 | nicolas__ | Azar: to test maximal fps |
| 00:43.35 | Stevie | no, you just need a motherboard that knows how to grok the cpu |
| 00:43.36 | Azar | Pres-Gas: there is only one way >>> up there is no back way |
| 00:43.38 | stew | SerajewelKS: no, you need a motherboard that supports dual-core cpus |
| 00:43.47 | Pres-Gas | Thanks, Azar |
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| 00:43.56 | Stevie | just for the hell of it |
| 00:43.58 | SerajewelKS | stew: sweet, so probably an expensive upgrade for me |
| 00:44.04 | Stevie | I'm going to see what apt says if I try to remove all my kernels :) |
| 00:44.16 | Azar | I really do not know why when someone moves up from Sarge does not read the documentation: there is no way back |
| 00:44.18 | nicolas__ | Azar: the gears used to run as fast as possible, then under etch they runned slowly but reporting the same fps, but now under sarge, its ugly |
| 00:44.37 | Stevie | err |
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| 00:44.45 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: no |
| 00:44.57 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: it's two CPUs on one die |
| 00:45.02 | Azar | nicolas__: ah, I never tried those, I guess only because I have simple games only |
| 00:45.11 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: and a bit more magic .. but that's the gist |
| 00:45.13 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: right, but doesn't the motherboard need to support dual-core? |
| 00:45.18 | Stevie | wait |
| 00:45.20 | Stevie | wtf |
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| 00:45.23 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: what CPU do you have now?> |
| 00:45.31 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: athlon xp 2500+ |
| 00:45.35 | Stevie | abrotman: Okay, I did 'apt-get remove kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386' and dpkg -l still lists it (saying 'rc') |
| 00:45.40 | Azar | nicolas__: are you using xorg, or xfree86 ? |
| 00:45.56 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: for you .. yes .. you'd probably need a new Mobo .. for those with newer .. a bios upgrade seems to do it .. see if one is available for your board |
| 00:46.01 | abrotman | Stevie: duh .. purge! |
| 00:46.27 | Stevie | didn't work |
| 00:46.31 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i was looking at bios upgrades a few weeks ago. but i didn't know exactly what mobo i have. now i can just check the attic (spring break). |
| 00:46.33 | Stevie | ;) |
| 00:46.40 | abrotman | Stevie: purge the damn thing |
| 00:46.50 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: purge does not remove it from dpkg -l |
| 00:46.52 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: it's written on the board somewhere |
| 00:46.59 | Azar | I love lilo because I can preserve old kernels while being able to switch them without throwing them up |
| 00:47.02 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: it's rc .. he can purge it |
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| 00:47.20 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i didn't say he couldn't, i said it will still show up in dpkg -l after he purges it |
| 00:47.21 | abrotman | Stevie: man dpkg |
| 00:47.30 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: but rc is different than un |
| 00:47.51 | stew | Stevie: the c in thhe second column means its been removed by not purged, meaninig config files may still remain, in the case of the kernel there are no config files, only the /var/lib/dpkg/info/ scripts would remain |
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| 00:48.11 | abrotman | hey .. he can't do that! |
| 00:48.13 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: anyway, my box is in the corner of the room, the side that opens facing the wall. getting the box will be easier methinks. ;) |
| 00:48.21 | abrotman | slacker |
| 00:48.51 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i have to actually *leave the room* to get the box... and climb some stairs... that's not slacking, that's "want to reread the specs anyway" |
| 00:48.51 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 00:48.54 | abrotman | aw crap |
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| 00:49.10 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: use google :) |
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| 00:49.11 | Azar | my mom wants the games I have only she does not understand they do not run in mswin |
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| 00:49.17 | Stevie | dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove kernel-image-2.6.8-i386 which isn't installed |
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| 00:49.38 | buu | Hrm. Another question. I've got a ntfs partition. It mounts fine, but the permissions are r-x------; what magic do I need to make it r-x for all? |
| 00:49.42 | stew | Stevie: what command did you type? |
| 00:49.47 | abrotman | Stevie: use the right option :) |
| 00:49.56 | abrotman | !ntfsro |
| 00:50.00 | abrotman | damn bot |
| 00:50.03 | abrotman | oh fuck |
| 00:50.12 | abrotman | this is gonna be bad |
| 00:50.24 | Stevie | stew: dpkg --purge kernel-image-2.6.8-i386 |
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| 00:50.38 | stew | Stevie: you compiled that kernel yourself? |
| 00:50.40 | abrotman | that's not a valid package name |
| 00:50.46 | Azar | buu for file permissions ..etc you need to read this interactive manual: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/user/ch-files.html#s-files-devices |
| 00:50.46 | stew | abrotman: sure it is |
| 00:50.47 | abrotman | not a debian kernel anyways |
| 00:50.53 | stew | debian kernel it is not |
| 00:50.58 | abrotman | stew: wanna bet he didn't compile it himself? :) |
| 00:51.02 | stew | nope |
| 00:51.12 | abrotman | @ntfsro |
| 00:51.32 | bbrazil | ~test |
| 00:51.34 | apt | Test Passed! |
| 00:51.52 | stew | abrotman: http://dpkg.vireo.org/read-ntfs |
| 00:51.58 | Stevie | aha |
| 00:52.07 | Stevie | Without the mental transcription errors |
| 00:52.16 | Stevie | Suddenly dpkg comes to life |
| 00:52.42 | buu | Azar: Doesn't answer the question, sorry. |
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| 00:52.48 | stew | i need to fix the factoid.php to grog the <reply> see factiod links someday |
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| 00:53.12 | afra | what's the closest thing to itunes i can have on linux (not to buy stuff but to list/play my mp3s) |
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| 00:53.29 | stew | afra: quodlibet |
| 00:53.32 | Azar | buu well no, but teaches you how to set up permissions |
| 00:53.36 | buu | Azar: No it doesn't. |
| 00:53.37 | Kyral | afra, XMMS, Beep Media Player, Amarok |
| 00:53.40 | afra | stew: thank you |
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| 00:53.55 | pipeline | afra: Well, you ucan bby stuff, too. |
| 00:54.01 | pipeline | afra: The closest thing is probably "rhythmbox" |
| 00:54.06 | pipeline | afra: An itms client is "sharpmusique" |
| 00:54.23 | pipeline | afra: beware: sharpmusique can't download things you already bought in itunes, only things you ubought with sharpmusique |
| 00:54.40 | Azar | buu my bad it was few chapters in advance (same page) http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/user/ch-files.html#s-files-permissions |
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| 00:55.03 | Azar | .. but you weren't even curious to search the site |
| 00:55.09 | positron | When I run nmap -sU -p1-65535 to my own computer, I see every time a random udp port between ~30000-60000. What-the-hell-is-that?? |
| 00:55.20 | abrotman | portmap installed? |
| 00:55.33 | afra | pipeline: thanks..rhythmbox looks good |
| 00:55.37 | bbrazil | positron: netstat -nlp |
| 00:55.37 | buu | Azar: You realize this is *completely* unrelated to my question, right? |
| 00:55.39 | positron | abrotman: i have disabled that in rc2 |
| 00:55.45 | SerajewelKS | buu: do *not* mount NTFS read-write |
| 00:55.47 | abrotman | positron: try fuser |
| 00:55.53 | buu | SerajewelKS: Heh, ok |
| 00:55.58 | buu | I haven't yet |
| 00:56.05 | bbrazil | positron: udp scans can have false positives |
| 00:56.12 | buu | Azar: I just tell you this so you don't recommend it to poor newbies who might expect it to help. |
| 00:56.13 | Azar | < buu> Hrm. Another question. I've got a ntfs partition. It mounts fine, but the permissions |
| 00:56.14 | SerajewelKS | buu: don't ever, unless you like fixing errors caused by the ntfs driver |
| 00:56.17 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:56.28 | buu | SerajewelKS: Still broken? |
| 00:56.37 | positron | abrotman: ill check it out |
| 00:56.39 | SerajewelKS | buu: less broken, but still very risky |
| 00:56.41 | stew | positron: /msg dpkg open ports |
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| 00:56.44 | Azar | buu wasnt that you question? |
| 00:56.49 | SerajewelKS | Azar: his question is related to mounting NTFS read-write, not chmod |
| 00:56.59 | Azar | ... what magic do I need to make it r-x for all? |
| 00:57.04 | Azar | ah |
| 00:57.05 | bbrazil | !vfatrw |
| 00:57.07 | Azar | my bad sorry |
| 00:57.10 | buu | Azar: No, my question was what options to set in fstab to change the permissions when the drive is mounted. You can not chmod a drive mounted like this. |
| 00:57.13 | abrotman | bbrazil: dead bots/don |
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| 00:57.22 | SerajewelKS | !test |
| 00:57.26 | SerajewelKS | oh sweet |
| 00:57.29 | buu | Yay dead bots! |
| 00:57.32 | magyar | is there a way to run windowz, like linux in vmware? |
| 00:57.32 | abrotman | he'll timeout eventually |
| 00:57.32 | bbrazil | buu: add a mask=222 or something to ftbas |
| 00:57.36 | positron | abrotman: bbrazil stew well, i run the nmap lets say 5sec intervals and the port is every time different. |
| 00:57.38 | bbrazil | buu: *fstab |
| 00:57.38 | abrotman | sussudio: BADGERS! |
| 00:57.49 | SerajewelKS | magyar: uhm, can you rephrase that? |
| 00:57.49 | stew | positron: don't use nmap for localhost, use netstat |
| 00:58.03 | buu | bbrazil: Yes, thank you. |
| 00:58.10 | buu | The above factoid pointed this out. |
| 00:58.11 | SerajewelKS | bbrazil: no |
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| 00:58.21 | abrotman | positron: try from a remote host .. or read the output of netstat .. might not be listening remotely |
| 00:58.28 | positron | stew: netstat doesnt show that port never. |
| 00:58.32 | SerajewelKS | bbrazil: ntfs mounts ro by default, to get it to mount rw you must specify rw, not umask=... |
| 00:58.39 | buu | magyar: Um. Run vmware? Run windows? Win? |
| 00:58.39 | magyar | SerajewelKS, is there a way to run windowz, like linux can be ran inwindowz through vmware? |
| 00:58.45 | abrotman | positron: netstat -an ? |
| 00:58.53 | SerajewelKS | magyar: you mean run windows inside of vmware? |
| 00:58.54 | positron | abrotman: i do always netstat -tanup |
| 00:58.57 | buu | SerajewelKS: Er, no, my question was changing the permissions on the mounted drive, not rw. You are correct however. |
| 00:59.00 | positron | abrotman: but doesnt show up |
| 00:59.20 | SerajewelKS | buu: the w bit will be dictated first by read-write/read-only, secondly by umask |
| 00:59.24 | bbrazil | SerajewelKS: he was looking for perms of 555, not ntfs-rw aiui |
| 00:59.30 | buu | SerajewelKS: Right. |
| 00:59.34 | magyar | SerajewelKS, yes but maybe not in vmware but something open source |
| 00:59.37 | SerajewelKS | bbrazil: oh, my bad |
| 00:59.42 | buu | bbrazil: dmask=0222, if you care. |
| 00:59.44 | abrotman | positron: -an ? :) |
| 00:59.45 | SerajewelKS | buu: remove any umask |
| 00:59.54 | SerajewelKS | buu: if it's not r-w for everyone, something else is wrong |
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| 01:00.04 | bbrazil | buu: there might be a seperate one for files (fmask?) |
| 01:00.06 | SerajewelKS | buu: did you specify the 'user' option by any chance? |
| 01:00.07 | dmattli | magyar: qemu works |
| 01:00.08 | positron | abrotman: huh,.. tried that too i dont see any usp ports |
| 01:00.11 | positron | *udp |
| 01:00.20 | magyar | dmattli, thanks |
| 01:00.21 | buu | SerajewelKS: Yes. |
| 01:00.22 | abrotman | oh i'm sorry |
| 01:00.26 | SerajewelKS | buu: don't |
| 01:00.26 | buu | SerajewelKS: Well, eventually. |
| 01:00.29 | buu | bbrazil: There is indeed |
| 01:00.30 | SerajewelKS | buu: change it to 'nouser' |
| 01:00.31 | buu | SerajewelKS: Why? |
| 01:00.37 | bbrazil | hmm, manpage indicates 'umask' |
| 01:00.46 | abrotman | hrm .. it wouldn't via -an .. but with a -u should |
| 01:00.56 | SerajewelKS | buu: a drive mounted user is given umask=077 with the owner being the mounted user |
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| 01:00.58 | Juanjo-ar-stafe | hi |
| 01:01.05 | Crell | Hm. "Some mirrors borked". Would "borked" include not being able to verify packages? |
| 01:01.05 | Azar | form me -na works shows udp as well |
| 01:01.09 | SerajewelKS | bbrazil: umask would be a workaround for an incorrect other setting |
| 01:01.15 | Juanjo-ar-stafe | I am trying to install a program (apt-get install) and get this error |
| 01:01.16 | Juanjo-ar-stafe | #!/usr/bin/python |
| 01:01.16 | Juanjo-ar-stafe | import math |
| 01:01.16 | Juanjo-ar-stafe | from gimpfu import * |
| 01:01.16 | Juanjo-ar-stafe | have_gimp11 = gimp.major_version > 1 or \ |
| 01:01.18 | Juanjo-ar-stafe | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:01.18 | SerajewelKS | Crell: yes |
| 01:01.18 | positron | abrotman: well yes, but not those random ports which i see from nmap |
| 01:01.20 | Juanjo-ar-stafe | def python_clothify(timg, tdrawable, bx=9, by=9, |
| 01:01.22 | Juanjo-ar-stafe | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:01.24 | Crell | Fun fun fun. |
| 01:01.24 | Juanjo-ar-stafe | bx = 9 ; by = 9 ; azimuth = 135 ; elevation = 45 ; depth = 3 |
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| 01:01.26 | Juanjo-ar-stafe | width = tdrawable.width |
| 01:01.28 | Juanjo-ar-stafe | height = tdrawable.height |
| 01:01.30 | Juanjo-ar-stafe | img = gimp.image(width, height, RGB) |
| 01:01.32 | Juanjo-ar-stafe | layer_one = gimp.layer(img, "X Dots", width, height, RGB_IMAGE, |
| 01:01.32 | SerajewelKS | Juanjo-ar-stafe: SHUT UP |
| 01:01.32 | abrotman | mentor: HELP! |
| 01:01.34 | Juanjo-ar-stafe | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:01.36 | Juanjo-ar-stafe | img.disable_undo() |
| 01:01.36 | buu | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:01.38 | abrotman | gravity: HELP! |
| 01:01.38 | Juanjo-ar-stafe | if have_gimp11: |
| 01:01.38 | buu | er |
| 01:01.39 | Azar | Juanjo-ar-stafe: do not paste here |
| 01:01.40 | Juanjo-ar-stafe | pdb.gimp_edit_fill(layer_one) |
| 01:01.42 | Juanjo-ar-stafe | else: |
| 01:01.43 | abrotman | i have to do it manually! |
| 01:01.44 | Juanjo-ar-stafe | pdb.gimp_edit_fill(img, layer_one) |
| 01:01.45 | Azar | BAN |
| 01:01.47 | bbrazil | SerajewelKS: I meant in the mount manpage (sarge). No mention of dmask there, which is odd |
| 01:01.48 | abrotman | azeem: HELP! |
| 01:01.48 | Juanjo-ar-stafe | img.add_layer(layer_one, 0) |
| 01:01.50 | Juanjo-ar-stafe | pdb.plug_in_noisify(img, layer_one, 0, 0.7, 0.7, 0.7, 0.7) |
| 01:01.52 | Juanjo-ar-stafe | layer_two = layer_one.copy() |
| 01:01.52 | buu | Oh noes! |
| 01:01.53 | abrotman | LoRez: HELP! |
| 01:01.54 | Juanjo-ar-stafe | layer_two.mode = MULTIPLY_MODE |
| 01:01.56 | Juanjo-ar-stafe | layer_two.name = "Y Dots" |
| 01:01.58 | Juanjo-ar-stafe | img.add_layer(layer_two, 0) |
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| 01:02.04 | abrotman | thanks guys |
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| 01:02.08 | stew | abrotman: netstat -an | grep udp ; and netstat -unp | grep udp give me the same results |
| 01:02.08 | Azar | thanks |
| 01:02.21 | buu | SerajewelKS: Doesn't seem to.. |
| 01:02.23 | abrotman | gravity: azeem: debhelper is missing .. no flood watching! |
| 01:02.28 | SerajewelKS | buu: doesn't seem to what |
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| 01:02.30 | gravity | weird |
| 01:02.39 | gravity | I don't even know who runs debhelper |
| 01:02.40 | buu | SerajewelKS: Mount it 077 |
| 01:02.45 | stew | gravity: don |
| 01:02.49 | SerajewelKS | buu: umask, not mask |
| 01:02.53 | stew | gravity: we load debhelper/don/dpkg all at once |
| 01:02.56 | gravity | ok |
| 01:02.56 | buu | It's RO anyway.. |
| 01:02.57 | stew | ^load^lost |
| 01:03.00 | abrotman | stew: oh . ok |
| 01:03.05 | SerajewelKS | buu: no no, you have it backwards |
| 01:03.11 | abrotman | gravity: don does .. he, debhelper, and dpkg all died .. |
| 01:03.13 | SerajewelKS | buu: umask is the permissions that it *WILL NOT* have |
| 01:03.23 | buu | SerajewelKS: Yes? But it doesn't |
| 01:03.27 | SerajewelKS | buu: any volume mounted 'user' will have umask=077 implicitly |
| 01:03.32 | azeem | this looked like a mispaste |
| 01:03.34 | buu | SerajewelKS: It'x r-xr-xr-x.. |
| 01:03.45 | SerajewelKS | buu: did you add the 'umask=222' option? |
| 01:03.50 | buu | SerajewelKS: Anyway, it has 'user' but a user can't umount it. So hey. No? |
| 01:03.50 | abrotman | or a tard :) |
| 01:03.56 | Azar | !beer azeem |
| 01:03.58 | SerajewelKS | buu: who mounted it? |
| 01:04.02 | Azar | yep he is gone |
| 01:04.02 | buu | root did apparently |
| 01:04.06 | SerajewelKS | buu: that's why |
| 01:04.22 | SerajewelKS | buu: if user X mounts a 'user' mount, only user X and root can umount it |
| 01:04.22 | buu | Anyway, it works. Yay. |
| 01:04.31 | SerajewelKS | buu: no, it does not work, not the way to really want it to |
| 01:04.31 | bbrazil | buu: check the meaning of 'user' and 'users' |
| 01:04.39 | buu | SerajewelKS: Oh but it does. |
| 01:04.47 | SerajewelKS | buu: remove the umask= and change 'user' to 'nouser', and add 'auto' |
| 01:05.01 | SerajewelKS | buu: then you will get r-xr-xr-x automagically |
| 01:05.09 | buu | SerajewelKS: When a user account mounts it, the privledge is still r-xr-xr-x |
| 01:05.38 | SerajewelKS | buu: ah, so what you're actually trying to do is stupid, not the way you're doing it |
| 01:05.46 | buu | Um. Ok? |
| 01:05.57 | buu | I get this feeling we're not communicating.. |
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| 01:06.06 | SerajewelKS | buu: why should regular users be allowed to mount a volume, why shouldn't it be mounted at boot? |
| 01:07.08 | buu | SerajewelKS: No real reason, it's going to be mounted at boot anyway |
| 01:07.11 | buu | Well, |
| 01:07.17 | buu | SerajewelKS: It's a usb drive, so it might not be on at boot |
| 01:07.26 | buu | Therefor the user needs to mount it. Yay! |
| 01:07.30 | SerajewelKS | buu: if it's a usb drive, what you really want is autofs |
| 01:07.37 | buu | Well, probably. |
| 01:07.42 | buu | Is that an option in fstab..? |
| 01:07.52 | SerajewelKS | buu: it's a daemon and filesystem |
| 01:07.55 | buu | Oh |
| 01:07.57 | buu | Filesystem? |
| 01:08.09 | buu | Why does it need another? |
| 01:08.23 | SerajewelKS | buu: when you open the mountpoint folder on the autofs filesystem it tries to mount the device for you, and unmounts it when nobody is using the mountpoint for a while. |
| 01:08.27 | positron | Who said that nmaps udp scan isnt realible??? |
| 01:08.29 | SerajewelKS | buu: so it can do those tricks. |
| 01:08.39 | positron | Where I can find information about that? |
| 01:08.41 | buu | SerajewelKS: But what about the ntfs on it? |
| 01:08.47 | positron | (udp scan in localhost) |
| 01:08.57 | buu | SerajewelKS: Oh, wait, I see. It's magical, like proc |
| 01:08.59 | SerajewelKS | buu: say your autofs is mounted over /mnt/auto |
| 01:09.03 | buu | I'll look in to it. |
| 01:09.52 | SerajewelKS | buu: you set up an automountpoint /mnt/auto/usbntfs or whatever, when autofs sees you tried to open that point it tries to mount the volume over it, when nobody uses the automountpoint for a certain time it unmounts it. useful for thumb drives and card readers. |
| 01:10.16 | buu | Right. |
| 01:10.16 | SerajewelKS | buu: PITA to set up but nifty when it works |
| 01:10.26 | buu | Yeah, I have it at home for a cdrom thingy |
| 01:10.28 | buu | Not a huge fan |
| 01:10.47 | SerajewelKS | buu: when you have four USB drives you will change your mind ;) |
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| 01:10.54 | dmattli | bye dpkg! :) |
| 01:11.13 | buu | heh |
| 01:11.15 | buu | Yeah probably. |
| 01:11.24 | buu | Not a huge fan of usb drives either =] |
| 01:11.44 | SerajewelKS | buu: well hotswappable drives in general |
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| 01:12.12 | SerajewelKS | i wonder if anyone has invented hotswappable IDE |
| 01:12.22 | buu | SerajewelKS: .. yes |
| 01:12.29 | Stevie | many laptops have something hotswappable |
| 01:12.50 | buu | All our servers have hot swappable ides |
| 01:12.50 | SerajewelKS | buu: nice, expensive? |
| 01:13.21 | buu | Mildly |
| 01:13.22 | buu | It's like 15 bucks for the cage |
| 01:13.25 | buu | The trick is making *software* support hotswappable =] |
| 01:13.31 | buu | Linux doesn't, to my knowledge. |
| 01:13.35 | Gnea | in a rack mount, hotswap makes sense ;) |
| 01:13.50 | Gnea | buu: it does, but apparantly not very well |
| 01:13.57 | buu | Really? |
| 01:13.59 | Gnea | i have yet to test it tho |
| 01:14.07 | buu | Oh well. All our boxes have hardware raid cards that do |
| 01:14.17 | Gnea | i don't know - i just say that cuz i haven't tried it so i have my doubts heh |
| 01:15.00 | Stevie | linux-image-2.6.15-skas8.2-pieria-skas3-v8.2 |
| 01:15.01 | Stevie | err |
| 01:15.03 | Stevie | haha |
| 01:15.09 | Stevie | I was a little oververbose with my append-to-version |
| 01:15.12 | basbryan | 16 debian iso torrents in i386 weekly builds folder? how do i know which 1 i need? |
| 01:15.22 | abrotman | basbryan: do you have broadband? |
| 01:15.25 | buu | basbryan: Get them all! Yay! |
| 01:15.26 | Stevie | use BTP |
| 01:15.27 | basbryan | yes |
| 01:15.37 | abrotman | basbryan: use the netinst instead |
| 01:15.38 | Stevie | buu: haha |
| 01:15.57 | abrotman | basbryan: they're weekly builds .. by the time you download them all . .they'll be out of date :) |
| 01:16.55 | Stevie | erm |
| 01:17.04 | Stevie | think this is verbose enough? |
| 01:17.06 | Stevie | linux-image-2.6.15-skas8.2-pieria-skas3-v8.2_2.6.15-skas8.2-pieria-skas3-v8.2-10.00.Custom_i386.deb |
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| 01:17.20 | Gnea | Stevie: leave my mom outta this! :P |
| 01:17.29 | Stevie | Gnea: eh? |
| 01:17.38 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: here to stay? |
| 01:17.46 | Gnea | Stevie: that was sarcasm to compliment your sarcasm |
| 01:17.51 | Stevie | ah |
| 01:17.54 | Gnea | :) |
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| 01:19.57 | magyar | dmattli, sweet prog |
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| 01:20.48 | abrotman | yay .. debhelper!! |
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| 01:21.17 | concept10 | Anyone here know any DD's? I have three new server racks I need to get rid of |
| 01:21.28 | abrotman | concept10: racks or servers in racks? :) |
| 01:21.36 | SerajewelKS | concept10: i can pretend to be a DD |
| 01:21.47 | Stevie | Reply from 192.168.0.110: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64 |
| 01:21.48 | Stevie | sweet |
| 01:21.52 | abrotman | concept10: and two post or four post ? |
| 01:21.54 | Stevie | that's a good indication that my new kernel works |
| 01:22.13 | concept10 | Racks .. about 8-9 ft tall racks |
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| 01:22.19 | abrotman | two or four post! |
| 01:22.27 | concept10 | ? |
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| 01:22.36 | abrotman | concept10: they make two post and four post racks |
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| 01:22.47 | abrotman | concept10: regardless .. are you willing to pay shipping? |
| 01:23.12 | dondelelcaro | concept10: what about the racks specifically? |
| 01:23.13 | concept10 | abrotman, nope on the shipping.. |
| 01:23.21 | sonnie | here's an NFS mount problem: bad MNT RPC: RPC: Timed out |
| 01:23.55 | sonnie | /etc/exports: /usr/pkgsrc dec(rw,sync) |
| 01:24.13 | concept10 | dondelelcaro, I have three racks at my house I need to move, First option: Debian, second Ebay, third /dev/null |
| 01:24.14 | magyar | i am looking for a deb for postfixadmin |
| 01:24.28 | abrotman | concept10: there are two things you can do i guess .. email the debian-devel mailing list .. specify your locale etc .. and you will ship if they pay it .. and specs on the racks or check http://www.us.debian.org/donations |
| 01:24.31 | sonnie | `rpcinfo -p' on server/client both give correct results. |
| 01:24.56 | dondelelcaro | concept10: oh; it's doubtfull that Debian will actually need the rack, as most of the servers that go in racks are coloed |
| 01:25.06 | sonnie | server log shows: access from host x.x.x.x rejected |
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| 01:25.36 | concept10 | dondelelcaro, yeah, thats what I have 1 colo rack and two other server racks, but ok |
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| 01:26.27 | sonnie | /etc/hosts.allow has the entries to permit client |
| 01:27.27 | magyar | is there a opensource utility to monitor Adaptec RAID drives? |
| 01:27.36 | abrotman | dpkg: wb |
| 01:27.36 | dpkg | thanks, abrotman. It's good to be back. |
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| 01:27.56 | dondelelcaro | concept10: yeah, but when you colo them, the colo has the rack... we don't provide it |
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| 01:28.30 | abrotman | concept10: very few people keep full cabinets at home .. all you can do is offer them .. you'll probably get no takers .. they're big, heavy, and bulky |
| 01:29.42 | concept10 | abrotman, I know. We kept them in the garage, I have moved a smaller one into the closet, but the huge ones remain outside |
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| 01:30.17 | abrotman | concept10: like i said .. use that URL or the mailing list .. but don't be surprised if you don't get any takers |
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| 01:31.24 | Breeder | I'm getting this message "gpg: waiting for lock (held by 15005 - probably dead)" how to solve this problem :-\ |
| 01:31.41 | Breeder | it's always 15005 |
| 01:32.09 | abrotman | ps aux | grep 15005 .. anything ? |
| 01:32.29 | Breeder | abrotman: nope |
| 01:32.45 | abrotman | find the lock file |
| 01:33.28 | Breeder | in /root/.gnupg there is no lock file |
| 01:34.00 | abrotman | could be in /var/run/ .. could be anywhere i suppose |
| 01:34.11 | abrotman | mmm .. beer would be good |
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| 01:34.59 | Slackwise | Hello. :P |
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| 01:35.37 | Slackwise | I was wondering if a 'netinstall' requires a network connection to actually install what's on the CD image? |
| 01:35.58 | abrotman | the netinst contains a minimal system |
| 01:36.09 | abrotman | so that's 'no' |
| 01:36.10 | Slackwise | A full minimal system? |
| 01:36.15 | Breeder | abrotman: /var/run the same no lock file of gnupg |
| 01:36.17 | Slackwise | Thanks. :D |
| 01:36.19 | abrotman | full and minimal are oxymorons ? :) |
| 01:36.34 | abrotman | Slackwise: it has enough to get online .. not much more |
| 01:36.35 | Slackwise | s/full/fully functional/ |
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| 01:36.38 | sciboy | Hey guys, you see this? £, that's suppose to be a hash, i just installed Debian and 'dpkg-reconfigure console-data' and switching to American keyboard layout isn't working, i recall selecting British English during the setup though, how can i fix this? |
| 01:36.41 | abrotman | Breeder: you should find out where that lock file is |
| 01:36.48 | abrotman | Slackwise: define fully functional |
| 01:37.03 | Slackwise | abrotman: I just need a base Linux install, to host a samba server and to bridge ath0<-->eth0 |
| 01:37.20 | concept10 | abrotman, this is what I have : http://www.sharkrack.com/index.php/tigershark2.html |
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| 01:37.22 | abrotman | Slackwise: no .. you'll need an internet connection to install samba |
| 01:37.27 | Slackwise | Well, I know that. |
| 01:37.30 | abrotman | ok |
| 01:37.35 | Slackwise | But I need madwifi as well |
| 01:37.39 | Slackwise | Hmm, that reminds me |
| 01:37.44 | abrotman | Slackwise: /msg dpkg madwifi |
| 01:37.45 | sciboy | I selected en_AU as my locale. |
| 01:37.46 | Slackwise | I'll need madwifi on my other partition |
| 01:37.54 | Breeder | abrotman: how i can find it? |
| 01:37.56 | abrotman | Slackwise: you'll need another NIC of some sort for th einstall |
| 01:37.57 | Slackwise | I can't even connect if I don't ahve madwifi :P |
| 01:38.00 | abrotman | Breeder: strace ? |
| 01:38.07 | abrotman | Slackwise: huh ? |
| 01:38.12 | Slackwise | abrotman: No chance. My 'net connection comes through wifi :P |
| 01:38.16 | abrotman | that's it? |
| 01:38.22 | abrotman | !cd contents |
| 01:38.22 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the sarge cds: http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt |
| 01:38.36 | sciboy | Please guys, i need a quick fix cause i got lots of coding to complete today, and i can't live without my hash key. |
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| 01:39.09 | Slackwise | Ok, here's my solution. |
| 01:39.18 | Slackwise | I download madwifi .deb's and put them on my other partition |
| 01:39.22 | Slackwise | then i install the netinstall disk |
| 01:39.27 | abrotman | you can try that |
| 01:39.29 | Slackwise | then i install the madwifi drivers |
| 01:39.31 | sciboy | I selected British English during the Debian installation but i use an american keyboard layout. =~ |
| 01:39.36 | abrotman | they need to match the kernel you're going to use |
| 01:39.38 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 01:39.39 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
| 01:39.39 | Slackwise | and then i'm off to download samba and the rest |
| 01:39.52 | Slackwise | abrotman: Oh crap, that means I'll need to compile them. |
| 01:39.58 | abrotman | Slackwise: uhm .. yes :) |
| 01:40.00 | Slackwise | Or wait, shouldn't the .deb's automagically work? |
| 01:40.11 | abrotman | if they're compiled against the same kernel .. they should |
| 01:40.27 | Slackwise | Same kernel meaning /exaclt/y the same? or at least 2.6? :P |
| 01:40.36 | Slackwise | ^exactly |
| 01:40.43 | sciboy | dpkg, set up x |
| 01:40.43 | dpkg | i heard set up x is First, make sure you have either x-window-system or x-window-system-core installed. To set up X in woody or sarge, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86". For etch or sid, use xserver-xorg. Sometimes just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg works. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
| 01:40.44 | abrotman | well .. unresolved symbols suck :) |
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| 01:41.09 | curt | sci /msg dpkg <stuff> |
| 01:41.15 | curt | sciboy, /msg dpkg <stuff> |
| 01:41.21 | abrotman | curt: /msg dpkg nicktab |
| 01:41.30 | curt | hehe |
| 01:41.40 | curt | sticky keys? |
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| 01:43.30 | basbryan | so which iso do i download if i can't do a netinst? |
| 01:43.39 | abrotman | basbryan: why can't you? |
| 01:43.42 | Slackwise | abrotman: How about I install the netinstall, grab a source tarball from my other partition, compile and install, then apt-get a madwifi package :P |
| 01:43.51 | abrotman | !madwifi |
| 01:43.52 | dpkg | madwifi is probably at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian, or #madwifi, or http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/madwifi, or to install madwifi drivers built against standard Debian kernel images (woody/sarge only) see '/msg dpkg madwifi-install' |
| 01:43.54 | Slackwise | Crap, but then I'llneed GCC too |
| 01:43.59 | abrotman | !tell Slackwise about madwifi-install |
| 01:44.07 | Slackwise | This is turning out to be not very fun :( |
| 01:44.13 | abrotman | Slackwise: you might be better off with the first full CD |
| 01:44.19 | abrotman | it should have more parts on it |
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| 01:44.45 | _X-Treme | basbryan: There are lots of options here http://www.us.debian.org/CD/ personally I like jigdo |
| 01:44.53 | Slackwise | abrotman: I'm thinking so now, but what disk/ There's like 14. :P |
| 01:45.17 | curt | Slackwise, the first one is the install |
| 01:45.27 | abrotman | Slackwise: disk #1 .. has gcc and module-assistant |
| 01:45.27 | magyar | is there a way to purge all mysql packages at once? |
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| 01:45.43 | abrotman | best question ever! |
| 01:45.53 | Slackwise | abrotman: But probably not madwifi. But then, I can just mount my partition and compile it myself :P |
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| 01:46.06 | abrotman | Slackwise: right .. you can do that |
| 01:46.08 | deadcat | karsten: saw your box on sat.. damn it looked good. i thought about stealing it. (= |
| 01:46.09 | Slackwise | Since it will contain GCC |
| 01:46.17 | kspath | abrotman: Are you still running? |
| 01:46.33 | abrotman | Slackwise: actually .. if you read what dpkg told you .. there seem to be precompiled modules for sarge |
| 01:46.44 | abrotman | kspath: always |
| 01:47.21 | kspath | abrotman: Now you have a good reason to. |
| 01:47.22 | abrotman | Slackwise: i lied .. not prebuilt .. but sources for sarge .. which then you could use to build on your box |
| 01:47.37 | Slackwise | lol |
| 01:47.55 | Slackwise | I'm starting to think I should just attempt to fix this Slackware install instead :P |
| 01:48.09 | abrotman | Slackwise: it's up to you .. i can't believe you only have wifi :) |
| 01:48.17 | Slackwise | abrotman: It's a long story :P |
| 01:48.21 | abrotman | i bet it is |
| 01:48.51 | abrotman | probably involves badgers |
| 01:48.56 | abrotman | and LIONS! |
| 01:49.12 | kspath | no mushrooms? |
| 01:49.18 | basbryan | abrot:because my brain was on pause! |
| 01:49.30 | abrotman | kspath: http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/kenya/ |
| 01:49.30 | kspath | no tigres? |
| 01:49.33 | abrotman | basbryan: ? |
| 01:49.48 | basbryan | abrot:netinst |
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| 01:49.58 | kspath | abrotman: Was that Norway or Finland they are urinating on in that? |
| 01:50.01 | abrotman | basbryan: i'm confused .. what's the problem with netinst ? |
| 01:50.02 | Wanted | startkeylogg |
| 01:50.02 | gravity | holy crap! |
| 01:50.03 | abrotman | kspath: norway |
| 01:50.04 | Wanted | startkeylogger |
| 01:50.30 | kspath | stop the lager |
| 01:51.05 | basbryan | abrot:qemu... i am struggling with getting it to see the network, but it can and i will |
| 01:51.14 | abrotman | uhm ok |
| 01:51.19 | abrotman | can you fix your tab key too ? |
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| 01:52.11 | basbryan | abrot:i didn't tab |
| 01:52.28 | abrotman | i noticed |
| 01:52.52 | kspath | basbryan: limited to 5 letters for nicks? |
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| 01:53.24 | basbryan | kspath: ah hah |
| 01:53.35 | basbryan | abrotman: tab sure is nice! |
| 01:53.39 | abrotman | thank you |
| 01:54.29 | kspath | tab completion gets habit forming |
| 01:54.54 | kspath | You can dry out by using sh |
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| 01:55.24 | curt | see that story about the norwegian woman who's faucet turned into beer? (reuters oddly-enough) |
| 01:55.47 | kspath | omg I see tab completion in my sh ARGH! |
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| 01:56.05 | abrotman | curt: i did |
| 01:56.22 | curt | abrotman, if only I could be so lucky. |
| 01:56.27 | kspath | oh it is not real sh did not think so |
| 01:57.11 | asg | abrotman: it only requires a little custom plumbing to make such a dream a reality |
| 01:57.35 | abrotman | curt: yeah .. except that showering thing ... |
| 01:57.43 | abrotman | asg: your wife would love you! |
| 01:57.53 | curt | bet it sucked at the bar when their taps turned to water |
| 01:57.54 | kspath | Just add a tap at your sink with a keg down below. That does not seem so magical |
| 01:58.00 | asg | abrotman: she already does; one of my jobs is to provide the beer |
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| 01:58.09 | abrotman | asg: do you have another? |
| 01:58.22 | asg | kspath: my sink couldn't hold a keg. I'd have to run a feed from the garage. |
| 01:58.31 | asg | abrotman: wife? or job? |
| 01:58.41 | abrotman | asg: job |
| 01:58.53 | kspath | asg: hang kegs from ceiling and have bonus gravity feed? |
| 01:59.03 | asg | abrotman: yeah, sex, money, discuss non-trivial things. |
| 01:59.18 | abrotman | asg: bah .. your wife uses you for sex?!?! |
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| 01:59.34 | asg | abrotman: it depends on your point of view; or mine, or hers. |
| 01:59.35 | kspath | abrotman: There are worse things. |
| 01:59.53 | curt | kspath, jobs? |
| 02:00.12 | asg | kspath: possible though I question the strength of the ceiling. Better to go with vacuum pumps. |
| 02:00.17 | abrotman | asg: you should try that thing from Judge Dredd :) |
| 02:00.28 | kspath | curt: I lack jobs. |
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| 02:00.42 | abrotman | !hire kspath |
| 02:00.42 | curt | kspath, lucky for you. |
| 02:00.49 | asg | abrotman: I'm not sure which thing you are referring to since I couldn't see it, whatever it was, because of Stallone's chin. |
| 02:01.12 | abrotman | asg: the head sets .. to replace the exchange of fluids |
| 02:01.19 | kspath | curt: Not lucky when the bank decides they want their property. |
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| 02:01.40 | asg | abrotman: ah |
| 02:01.46 | curt | kspath, banks are picky that way! |
| 02:01.49 | kspath | abrotman: 15 EU per hour and I am there. |
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| 02:08.10 | abrotman | !moo |
| 02:08.10 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 02:08.15 | asg | !bork |
| 02:08.15 | dpkg | hmm... bork is to sexor as in "bork bjork", lart to death, or a nicer curse word, or the Swedish Chef's favorite word, or broke |
| 02:08.28 | abrotman | asg: bork is also `apt-get install filters` |
| 02:08.35 | asg | abrotman: chef(6) |
| 02:08.39 | gravity | heh, bork bjork |
| 02:08.42 | gravity | I'd bork bjork |
| 02:08.47 | abrotman | pig! |
| 02:08.56 | asg | gravity: :) |
| 02:09.00 | abrotman | wait .. i would too |
| 02:09.12 | abrotman | i'm a pig |
| 02:09.14 | abrotman | !oink |
| 02:09.14 | dpkg | i guess oink is the best cs server: oink.kicks-ass.net |
| 02:09.19 | abrotman | oh jeez .. that didn't work |
| 02:09.29 | asg | abrotman: apt-get install oinkmaster |
| 02:09.45 | abrotman | asg: tarzeau packaged briquolo! |
| 02:10.07 | abrotman | oh yeah .. i'm supposed to try danger of the deep again |
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| 02:10.20 | abrotman | if my X locks up .. i think i know where to find gravity |
| 02:10.32 | asg | abrotman: briquolo? |
| 02:10.34 | gravity | I'm still a DRI cluebie at best |
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| 02:10.48 | gravity | So I can't help much with lockups |
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| 02:10.53 | abrotman | asg: oh .. it's like breakout .. but 3d .. and fun! |
| 02:11.04 | gravity | Besides, I'm busy trying to get xgl built |
| 02:11.10 | asg | abrotman: is it another GNUStep hack? |
| 02:11.14 | gravity | hahahaha |
| 02:11.18 | gravity | asg++ |
| 02:11.20 | abrotman | asg: http://briquolo.free.fr/en/screenshots.html |
| 02:11.31 | abrotman | asg: no .. it's SDL or GL or something not GNUstep |
| 02:11.36 | asg | gravity: I've known tarzeau on here a loooong time :) |
| 02:11.42 | asg | abrotman: ;) |
| 02:11.48 | gravity | Yeah, me too |
| 02:11.54 | gravity | Looks like a spiffy game |
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| 02:12.22 | abrotman | is it in new yet? |
| 02:12.36 | abrotman | guess not |
| 02:13.31 | asg | abrotman: heh, cool. The google rackmount appliance is a 2 year purchase at which point, you can renew and they send you a new box and you can use the old one as a 'linux server to do whatever with' |
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| 02:14.08 | abrotman | asg: huh ? |
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| 02:14.52 | asg | abrotman: we just bought one. After 2 years, you get the hardware and they send you a new unit. Neat. |
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| 02:15.20 | abrotman | asg: yes it is |
| 02:16.28 | asg | !make abrotman install frobnitz.app |
| 02:16.36 | abrotman | asg: !popcon! |
| 02:16.39 | PumpkinPie | whats a good way to ping a whole range of IP's ? |
| 02:16.41 | magyar | need a repo for non-free for sarge |
| 02:16.44 | asg | PumpkinPie: nmap |
| 02:16.53 | asg | magyar: /msg dpkg non-free |
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| 02:16.55 | abrotman | or ping broadcast ? |
| 02:17.04 | magyar | asg, thanks |
| 02:17.07 | PumpkinPie | ping broadcast? |
| 02:17.16 | asg | abrotman: that's only going to work on his subnet. 'whole range' could be more than that. |
| 02:17.43 | beered | for the best performance on a modern computer (1.6GHz, 1.2GB) is it bester to compile a modular or monolithic kernel? |
| 02:17.52 | beered | bester = better |
| 02:18.02 | abrotman | asg: i suppose you're right |
| 02:18.08 | asg | beered: it doesn't matter |
| 02:19.08 | beered | asg: you know, I appreciate your response, but even my granma could come up with an answer like that. You gotta explain yourself a little bit. |
| 02:19.29 | dmattli | beered: Why would it matter? |
| 02:19.34 | asg | beered: it means that monolithic and modular kernels have no difference in performance. |
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| 02:19.47 | abrotman | beered: on a machine that fast .. with that much RAM .. won't make a whit of difference |
| 02:20.01 | asg | beered: at best, monolithic kernels (true ones that is) are more secure. |
| 02:20.04 | beered | asg, abrotman: i c. ty. |
| 02:20.08 | asg | beered: you're welcome |
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| 02:20.36 | phyrster | I am using mutt 1.5.11 but I don't have 'alternates' supported |
| 02:20.39 | abrotman | tarzeau: seems to compile here |
| 02:20.45 | phyrster | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:21.38 | abrotman | phyrster: are you supposed to? |
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| 02:23.18 | jamux | On sid, what is good way to revert to perl 5.8.8-2 for a test? |
| 02:24.12 | abrotman | !sdn |
| 02:24.12 | dpkg | i heard sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems. |
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| 02:24.33 | abrotman | tarzeau: it works fine here .. except i have no sequencer |
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| 02:26.04 | asg | jamux: use a chroot environment |
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| 02:26.33 | asg | jamux: debootstrap can help you build one |
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| 02:31.36 | javiolo | is there any debian based distro ready to be booted from a usb memory stick ? |
| 02:32.06 | pipeline | javiolo: The Debian installer will boot from USB stick. |
| 02:32.31 | javiolo | pipeline I dont want to install it |
| 02:32.37 | javiolo | just like a livecd |
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| 02:33.07 | Ronin | ahh no theres no debian that does that |
| 02:33.21 | ArthurB | could someone confirm a bug in aptitude (unstable) ? |
| 02:33.39 | asg | javiolo: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/179 (may be useful) |
| 02:33.54 | asg | ArthurB: is it listed in the bts? |
| 02:34.16 | ArthurB | don't think so |
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| 02:34.33 | ArthurB | juste type "aptitude --install foo" (bad syntax intended) |
| 02:34.50 | javiolo | asg thanks I think that would work |
| 02:34.59 | asg | javiolo: you're welcome |
| 02:35.10 | stew | ArthurB: and? |
| 02:35.19 | ArthurB | it should display the help and that's all |
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| 02:35.26 | ArthurB | it ends with a segfault for me |
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| 02:35.37 | stew | ArthurB: it doesn't here, /msg dpkg bts |
| 02:35.57 | cjaymes | whew; anyone have a job in so. central pa? |
| 02:35.59 | asg | ArthurB: also, use 'strace -o trace aptitude --install foo' to help narrow down the cause. |
| 02:36.02 | cjaymes | I just got laid off today |
| 02:36.08 | ArthurB | ok |
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| 02:36.18 | dvs | cjaymes: That's shit! |
| 02:36.22 | dvs | !beer cjaymes |
| 02:36.31 | asg | fitting |
| 02:36.38 | cjaymes | yep & my grandmother had a mini-stroke this morning |
| 02:36.45 | abrotman | mm lager |
| 02:36.51 | abrotman | cjaymes: doing what? |
| 02:36.55 | cjaymes | I'm waiting for anything else |
| 02:36.57 | abrotman | cjaymes: york/lancaster? |
| 02:37.08 | cjaymes | abrotman, I don't know at this point |
| 02:37.14 | abrotman | you don't know where you live? |
| 02:37.18 | cjaymes | I live in huntingdon county; near state college |
| 02:37.18 | abrotman | that is a rough day |
| 02:37.20 | dvs | cjaymes: What did you use to do? |
| 02:37.30 | abrotman | cjaymes: holy crap .. nothing is out there! |
| 02:37.36 | cjaymes | dvs, heh, funny you should ask |
| 02:37.37 | abrotman | cjaymes: but tell emily i said hello :) |
| 02:37.49 | abrotman | cjaymes: TBH .. i'd try PSU |
| 02:37.52 | Azar | welcome back dpkg |
| 02:38.12 | cjaymes | for this company, I was hired to do IT stuff & data processing |
| 02:38.14 | asg | !feed ArthurB |
| 02:38.18 | cjaymes | that turned into web development |
| 02:38.28 | cjaymes | then into audio visual design |
| 02:38.30 | ArthurB | thanks |
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| 02:38.39 | asg | ArthurB: you're welcome |
| 02:38.41 | cjaymes | then into audio visual /control system programming |
| 02:38.42 | signature16 | where is the net.eth0 script located? |
| 02:38.43 | ArthurB | I'm full |
| 02:38.55 | dvs | cjaymes: Then building computers?!? |
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| 02:38.58 | abrotman | signature16: then what? |
| 02:39.00 | asg | signature16: interfaces(5) |
| 02:39.04 | cjaymes | now the latest thing is training folks on SMART boards & other AV stuff |
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| 02:39.08 | abrotman | !tell signature16 about interfaceds |
| 02:39.10 | abrotman | !tell signature16 about interfaces |
| 02:39.14 | cjaymes | dvs, oh yes, that was part of the IT stuff |
| 02:39.30 | cjaymes | dvs, though, it turns out to be nearly as cheap to just buy them |
| 02:39.31 | abrotman | cjaymes: jeez .. were you at raytheon ? |
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| 02:40.08 | cjaymes | abrotman, nope, centre business products, owned by southern business communications group, owned by global imaging systems |
| 02:40.15 | cjaymes | never again will I work for 3 companies |
| 02:40.37 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:40.42 | dvs | cjaymes: That sounds typical of some companies |
| 02:40.45 | cjaymes | I know where raytheon is though; I had a boy scout thing there |
| 02:40.58 | abrotman | cjaymes: well .. i can't make too many recommendations without knowing what you want to do .. but a friend of mine works at PSU and seems to really like it |
| 02:41.09 | cjaymes | today they just laid off everyone except the salespeople & order entry |
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| 02:41.18 | cjaymes | I give the company ~ 6 mo or so |
| 02:41.19 | Ronin | cjaymes: ack smart boards, they make you network them yet? so user in cityx can do some cheezy powerpoint show to users in city y? |
| 02:41.24 | magyar | how does I2O work with already defined arrays? |
| 02:41.27 | malick | hi |
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| 02:41.49 | cjaymes | Ronin, wellll, there's bridgit; it's pretty cool actually |
| 02:42.15 | cjaymes | abrotman, I think I'm going to try the education market first; IUs and colleges & unis |
| 02:42.18 | signature16 | how do i restart my network card? |
| 02:42.19 | Azar | how can I enable 3D acceleration ? |
| 02:42.25 | abrotman | cjaymes: like PSU? :) |
| 02:42.31 | Ronin | i wouldnt mind them so much if they actuallyused it as a smartboard but its almost always used as a basic projectin screen |
| 02:42.32 | cjaymes | abrotman, yeppers |
| 02:42.35 | abrotman | signature16: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 02:42.45 | abrotman | cjaymes: and if you're not married etc .. you can move |
| 02:42.50 | abrotman | cjaymes: juniata college? |
| 02:43.02 | cjaymes | abrotman, yeah, but I just started leasing-to-buy a house |
| 02:43.09 | cire | I have i915GM graphics controller, (kernel modules are loaded), but using driver "i810" doesn't work. (blank screen after boot, but no errors in X-log file). driver "I915" doesn't work, because it doesn't exist. |
| 02:43.15 | cjaymes | juniata would be wonderful, if I can time it to get in |
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| 02:43.28 | cjaymes | it's actually not much further than centre |
| 02:43.32 | cire | does anybody have experience with i915? |
| 02:43.47 | abrotman | cjaymes: i went to PSU .. and dated a girl in altoona who worked in williamsburg .. i know where you are :) |
| 02:43.56 | cjaymes | I have 2 weeks to work out though |
| 02:43.56 | dvs | yikes! |
| 02:44.11 | abrotman | cire: sarge? |
| 02:44.19 | cire | abrotman: unstab0.2314814814814814815le |
| 02:44.22 | cjaymes | my cuz works for psu; she lives in williamsburg now...hmmm |
| 02:44.23 | cire | sorry |
| 02:44.26 | cire | unstable |
| 02:44.26 | abrotman | cire: what was that again? |
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| 02:44.52 | cire | abrotman: What do you mean? |
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| 02:45.13 | abrotman | cire: i was picking on you . sorry |
| 02:45.15 | asg | abrotman: fibonacci on crack |
| 02:45.27 | cjaymes | ooo, shippensburg too |
| 02:45.31 | abrotman | cire: i915 sohuld work .. though check the bts .. perhaps X6.9 hates intel ? |
| 02:45.32 | cjaymes | they have good looking chicks |
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| 02:46.00 | abrotman | WORK ... |
| 02:46.03 | cjaymes | (not that psu doesn't...there's just so many...) |
| 02:46.06 | asg | cjaymes: according to the FAQ, marshmallow peeps are kosher |
| 02:46.15 | cjaymes | lol |
| 02:46.24 | cjaymes | good thing I'm not jewish |
| 02:46.29 | cjaymes | I hate them |
| 02:46.34 | cire | abrotman: Only to verify that I did everything right: I load kernel modules i915 and agpgart. In xserver-config file I do "driver i810". Now it should work, shouldn't it? |
| 02:46.40 | cjaymes | except blowing them up |
| 02:46.59 | abrotman | cire: afaik .. yes |
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| 02:47.14 | abrotman | cire: does X crash .. or just stay blank? |
| 02:47.18 | cjaymes | wtf... |
| 02:47.34 | cjaymes | oh great, I just got an audible pop up |
| 02:47.39 | cjaymes | when did that start? |
| 02:47.51 | asg | cjaymes: when you stopped using lynx? |
| 02:48.14 | cjaymes | true enough; I forgot to block it too |
| 02:48.16 | cire | abrotman: It stays blank. I can press "CTRL ALT F1", log in, and save the logs. (wblind, ith blank screen) |
| 02:48.43 | cire | (blind with blank screen) |
| 02:49.00 | cjaymes | wish I had some ambien |
| 02:49.07 | abrotman | cire: desktop ? |
| 02:49.19 | deadcat | any artistic (color) person here? i have a debian offtopic question about a bag i plan to order. i am really bad at color matching. |
| 02:49.24 | asg | cjaymes: I find light beers work just as well. |
| 02:49.34 | cjaymes | asg, dry township :-/ |
| 02:49.36 | abrotman | deadcat: ask your girlfriend |
| 02:49.44 | deadcat | abrotman: single right now. |
| 02:49.51 | deadcat | abrotman: you can be my bitch for the hour (= |
| 02:49.52 | cjaymes | too bad too, I had a decent side career as a dj going |
| 02:49.53 | abrotman | cjaymes: go to state college .. go find a bar .. get drunk .. stay in the dorms! .. yay |
| 02:49.55 | asg | cjaymes: eeep. I'd move. |
| 02:50.00 | abrotman | deadcat: ask your mom ? |
| 02:50.12 | sussudio | 5 |
| 02:50.22 | abrotman | sussudio: ignore .. dpkg came back |
| 02:50.28 | sussudio | :-| |
| 02:50.30 | deadcat | abrotman: shes worst than colorblind |
| 02:50.33 | abrotman | sussudio: sorry |
| 02:50.38 | sussudio | :-\ |
| 02:50.39 | abrotman | deadcat: she's 50 ? |
| 02:50.43 | cjaymes | abrotman, oh, and who's emily? |
| 02:50.49 | deadcat | abrotman: over. |
| 02:50.50 | asg | deadcat: what color is the bag? |
| 02:51.08 | abrotman | cjaymes: a friend of mine from LHUP days .. she teaches in huntingdon iirc |
| 02:51.21 | deadcat | asg: theres load of color to choose from. all you have to do is select 2 or 3 to make it look good. |
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| 02:52.11 | asg | deadcat: oh. My personal preference is shades of grey with perhaps a burnt umber or burgundy. |
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| 02:52.34 | deadcat | asg: http://www.timbuk2.com/tb2/retail/bagbuilder.htm step 2 select cordura |
| 02:52.35 | magyar | anyone using an adaptec RAID controller I2O ? |
| 02:52.39 | cire | abrotman: Laptop. |
| 02:53.05 | deadcat | asg: here are some bags people have i think its pretty cleaver http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/2006/timbuk2/ |
| 02:53.10 | abrotman | cire: maybe a different monitor mode? |
| 02:53.23 | cjaymes | wow, there's a "PC specialist" needed just down the road... |
| 02:53.32 | cire | abrotman: monitor mode? Do you mean another resolution? |
| 02:53.33 | dvs | cjaymes: Run down there |
| 02:53.45 | abrotman | cire: yeah .. or frequency(even though it's an LCD) |
| 02:53.50 | abrotman | cire: also .. have you checked the BTS yet? |
| 02:53.55 | cjaymes | uh-oh, only hs required, doesn't sound like that will pay the bills |
| 02:54.01 | cire | abrotman: right now ;) |
| 02:54.06 | abrotman | cjaymes: you can walk to work :) |
| 02:54.40 | cjaymes | that would be ok; I've been averaging 2 days out of the office a week |
| 02:54.43 | asg | deadcat: yeah, I know what I'd like. You probably need to find what you like. |
| 02:55.08 | deadcat | asg: let me know what color you like? |
| 02:55.14 | cire | abrotman: changing the resolution would just frustrate me. To get it work in non-native mode is a thing I'd like to avoid ;) |
| 02:55.24 | deadcat | asg: from the cordura color list. thanks |
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| 02:55.43 | asg | deadcat: I'd go with left side 'gold' and middle and right side 'orange' |
| 02:55.46 | abrotman | cire: could be a frequency thing > |
| 02:55.46 | abrotman | ? |
| 02:56.13 | deadcat | abrotman: damn too bright for me. |
| 02:56.17 | deadcat | asg: ^^ |
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| 02:56.54 | asg | deadcat: then left side 'steel', middle and right side 'black' |
| 02:56.56 | curt | deadcat, stone/olive |
| 02:57.12 | abrotman | deadcat: just pick colours! |
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| 02:57.30 | deadcat | asg: i used to own a black/black/black. that sucked. |
| 02:57.48 | cire | abrotman: not sure. But bts finds a lot of bugs with keyword "i915"... ;( |
| 02:57.51 | abrotman | deadcat: find a girl .. ask her |
| 02:57.53 | asg | deadcat: nothing wrong with all black but a little added something always works. |
| 02:58.00 | Aghaster | hi, i'd like to know what bilingual dictionaries exist for linux, and which ones do you suggest |
| 02:58.01 | abrotman | cire: that's not good .. |
| 02:58.11 | Aghaster | i'm looking for a nice dict i cant quickly search |
| 02:58.15 | Aghaster | can* |
| 02:58.22 | deadcat | abrotman: i will have to probably ask my classmate on this. dont feel like wasting 100$ on fucked up color |
| 02:58.23 | asg | Aghaster: apt-get install dict ; dict foo |
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| 02:58.46 | abrotman | deadcat: or you could just order and not care |
| 02:58.49 | deadcat | curt: you mean from the images or from the timbuk2 site? |
| 02:59.20 | signature16 | wheni type apt-get install apache php4-mysql do am i download apache,php4 and mysql? or just apache and php? |
| 02:59.22 | asg | deadcat: or get all black and accentuate with stickers and buttons. |
| 02:59.32 | deadcat | hahaha |
| 02:59.39 | cire | abrotman: I hoped using intel's driver (from intel page) would help, but there's no patch for 2.6.15. |
| 02:59.43 | curt | deadcat, from the site stone/olive/stone |
| 02:59.48 | deadcat | o |
| 02:59.58 | asg | deadcat: something like 'Fuck you bitch, this is not your average man-bag' |
| 03:00.00 | abrotman | cire: oh jeez |
| 03:00.11 | deadcat | asg: (= |
| 03:00.17 | asg | curt: that would get bonus points if it was stone/oliver/stone |
| 03:00.35 | deadcat | hahah. |
| 03:00.42 | deadcat | actor right? |
| 03:00.44 | curt | asg, with his picture in the middle |
| 03:00.46 | abrotman | director |
| 03:00.48 | deadcat | o |
| 03:00.50 | abrotman | producer |
| 03:00.50 | asg | deadcat: actor director directory |
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| 03:00.57 | asg | s/y$// |
| 03:01.13 | abrotman | deadcat: i say pick whatever colors you want .. noone will ever see your fat ass on a bike .. won't matter anyways :) |
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| 03:01.18 | asg | well, I've reached parity on my nightly kingsley quota. Night all |
| 03:01.22 | curt | hehe |
| 03:01.24 | abrotman | night asg |
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| 03:01.41 | deadcat | abrotman: i dont have a bike (= |
| 03:02.02 | abrotman | see .. proved my point! |
| 03:02.19 | signature16 | where can i find debian tutorials? |
| 03:02.25 | curt | deadcat, that's too bad, the bag would look cool(er) riding on a bike |
| 03:02.36 | abrotman | !tell signature16 about grounding |
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| 03:02.54 | deadcat | curt: ya. but i dont have a bike. its just for school with a laptop inside. and everyday use |
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| 03:03.00 | curt | now that's cool, someone asking how to help themselves. |
| 03:03.16 | anarcat | oookay |
| 03:03.20 | curt | deadcat, you really should get a bike for that bag |
| 03:03.25 | anarcat | so i got my 2.6.15 kernel to boot now |
| 03:03.33 | abrotman | oh .. we can fix that |
| 03:03.40 | dvs | !beer anarcat |
| 03:03.48 | deadcat | curt: maybe next sem when i transfer. i am a roller blade person. |
| 03:03.51 | anarcat | i had to hack uname to output 2.6.12 even though i was on 2.6.8 so that initramfs-tools would install |
| 03:03.55 | anarcat | thanks dvs! :) |
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| 03:03.59 | anarcat | that was so ugly |
| 03:04.07 | anarcat | but anyways |
| 03:04.16 | anarcat | now i have another evil problem |
| 03:04.22 | anarcat | my pcmcia stopped working |
| 03:04.22 | deadcat | !enter |
| 03:04.22 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 03:04.25 | anarcat | oh the joy |
| 03:04.32 | anarcat | sorry deadcat |
| 03:05.02 | anarcat | this summurizes pretty well what i'm having here http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/2005/11/msg00063.html |
| 03:05.03 | deadcat | no need to sorry me. its just that other people in the channel will bitch about it sooner or later. |
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| 03:05.12 | anarcat | sorry everyony ;) |
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| 03:05.21 | dn4 | why do I get an error in linux saying Received signal 11, exiting...? |
| 03:05.40 | dvs | SEGV! |
| 03:05.42 | anarcat | this post mentions it's important to run the pcmcia daemon, but it doesn't seem to like my kernel: |
| 03:05.43 | sproingie | dn4: it means whatever app you were running crashed |
| 03:05.56 | anarcat | Not starting pcmcia-cs since kernel version >= 2.6.13 and udev is enabled |
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| 03:06.22 | weasel00 | is deb natively secure enough to run a serious firewall on? |
| 03:06.27 | dn4 | sproingie, yes the app crashes but waht does Signal 11 mean? |
| 03:06.28 | anarcat | in short, i get this when i slide in a pcmcia card: cs: pcmcia_socket1: cardbus cards are not supported. |
| 03:06.44 | abrotman | weasel00: how serious is serious ? |
| 03:06.46 | beered | Every so often my keyboard locks. I can use the mouse, but not the keyboard. I can't really find the reason for this. any suggestions how and where to start troubleshooting this? syslog has no clues. |
| 03:06.50 | dn4 | what version of nvidia drivers does debian offer? |
| 03:07.03 | deadcat | dn4: stable/testing/unstable? |
| 03:07.04 | weasel00 | serious enough to protect an ecom site? |
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| 03:07.17 | deadcat | weasel00: hell to the yes |
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| 03:07.29 | sproingie | dn4: it means the app tried to access an invalid memory location |
| 03:07.41 | deadcat | weasel00: serious firewall = what? |
| 03:07.44 | sproingie | dn4: it's the equivalent of an Invalid Page Fault in windows |
| 03:07.56 | anarcat | i seem to have serious problems with udev here |
| 03:08.18 | dn4 | sproingie, any idea what causes this? |
| 03:08.20 | anarcat | the usb mouse isn't working either, although i have the builtin ps2 back now so X actually starts... wheee! nice graphics :) |
| 03:08.26 | sproingie | dn4: yeah, C |
| 03:08.40 | sproingie | dn4: or to put it less snarky, poorly written apps |
| 03:08.46 | weasel00 | just played with openbsd... it turned a 10gig drive into a "100,20578MB" lol |
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| 03:09.29 | dn4 | sproingie, hmm my games keep crashing ARG! |
| 03:09.30 | dn4 | haha |
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| 03:10.06 | dn4 | got shelled by artillery support then got Signal 11 |
| 03:10.20 | dn4 | must of been some super artillery shells |
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| 03:11.39 | sproingie | dn4: playing games under wine? |
| 03:11.44 | dn4 | nope |
| 03:11.49 | dn4 | no wine |
| 03:11.49 | Holborn | iu thing is a et player |
| 03:11.55 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 03:12.04 | deadcat | missing a key from keyboard? |
| 03:12.11 | dvs | noe |
| 03:12.29 | Holborn | ops ... |
| 03:12.30 | sproingie | th vwls n m kbd r brkn |
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| 03:14.19 | manu | why dosent 'w' show any loged in users |
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| 03:14.23 | unix_infidel | anyone have any experience with a targus defcon alarm or similar system for a laptop? |
| 03:14.27 | unix_infidel | i'm considering buying one for my laptop. |
| 03:14.33 | Gnea | manu: how are you logged in? |
| 03:14.35 | dn4 | does anyone know what binary driver is install when you use the nvidia one liner? |
| 03:14.37 | mytruehero | I'm afraid I'm stumped here... I'm trying to curl a URL that includes an ampersand, but the result of "curl http://www.foo.com/bar.php?a=1&b=2" is just "http://www.foo.com/bar.php?a=1" that is, it only grabs everything before the first ampersand |
| 03:14.40 | manu | as root |
| 03:14.47 | manu | Gnea: using ssh keys |
| 03:14.49 | anarcat | mytruehero, quote qut & |
| 03:14.52 | anarcat | er |
| 03:14.54 | anarcat | mytruehero, quote the & |
| 03:15.07 | anarcat | curl 'http://www.foo.com/bar.php?a=1&b=2' |
| 03:15.12 | Gnea | mytruehero: try http://www.foo.com/bar.php?a=1\&b=2 |
| 03:15.35 | mytruehero | anarcat: I've tried using quotes, but it seems to do the same thing |
| 03:15.36 | weasel00 | deadcat : do you happen to have a link or advice on a suggested firewall/packet filtering solution? |
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| 03:15.57 | mytruehero | Gnea: let me give that a try real quick |
| 03:15.57 | manu | Gnea: wht could be the reason |
| 03:15.57 | anarcat | mytruehero, double or single quotesÉ |
| 03:15.58 | anarcat | ? |
| 03:16.51 | mytruehero | anarcat: admittedly, double |
| 03:17.01 | mytruehero | Gnea: that did the trick |
| 03:17.05 | mytruehero | thanks guys :) |
| 03:17.19 | anarcat | that shouldn't change anything though :) |
| 03:17.30 | Gnea | manu: could be a setting in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 03:17.40 | Gnea | anarcat: the & needs to be escaped |
| 03:17.41 | grandma | anyone know where the network devices are defined? (not configured) |
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| 03:17.57 | Gnea | otherwise it thinks it's backgrounding the process - basic bash stuff |
| 03:18.07 | anarcat | Gnea, sure, but i think the doublequotes do that |
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| 03:18.15 | Gnea | anarcat: nope. |
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| 03:18.33 | Gnea | anarcat: try it yourself. |
| 03:19.15 | anarcat | $ ls "foo&bar" |
| 03:19.15 | anarcat | ls: foo&bar: No such file or directory |
| 03:19.31 | Gnea | ok, now: touch "foo&bar" |
| 03:19.50 | anarcat | $ touch "foo&bar" |
| 03:20.00 | Gnea | see, now that works |
| 03:20.06 | anarcat | $ ls foo\&bar ~ |
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| 03:20.07 | anarcat | foo&bar |
| 03:20.10 | anarcat | well sure it works |
| 03:20.12 | anarcat | that was my point |
| 03:20.16 | anarcat | anyways |
| 03:20.18 | ryan3 | anyone have any idea when I'm banned as n=foo@hactar.ryanc.org? |
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| 03:21.57 | Gnea | ryan3: so you're evading the ban? |
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| 03:22.53 | Gnea | anarcat: but you were telling him single quotes, not double quotes |
| 03:23.08 | abrotman | ryan3: is the whole thing banned? |
| 03:23.10 | Gnea | anarcat: double quotes might do it, but an escape will do it as well :) |
| 03:23.13 | anarcat | Gnea, yes, but after i said: "that shouldn't change anything though :)" |
| 03:23.18 | anarcat | Gnea, we are in violent agreement :) |
| 03:23.21 | anarcat | *a |
| 03:23.28 | ryan3 | abrotman I can't find the line banning it in the banlist |
| 03:23.45 | manu | Gnea: even who does not work |
| 03:23.50 | weasel00 | !postfix |
| 03:23.50 | dpkg | well, postfix is a really cool MTA, which tries not to be too unlike sendmail so that its hard to get used to but is much better than sendmail or is at http://www.postfix.org , or #postfix |
| 03:23.51 | ryan3 | abrotman, looks like colatteral damage. |
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| 03:24.37 | Gnea | ryan3: i wouldn't worry about it then |
| 03:24.49 | abrotman | ryan3: should be pretty darn easy |
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| 03:25.04 | Gnea | ryan3: asking about it is a sure fire way to get yourself banned again |
| 03:26.10 | ryan3 | I didn't do anything to get myself banned. I think that some ban was too wide in scope. |
| 03:26.11 | deadcat | Gnea: can you give me the repo for e17 please. my friend was using the one where we had to add the /etc/apt/preferences file. |
| 03:26.28 | CuriouserAndCuri | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:26.48 | stew | ryan3: your best bet is to /msg and op |
| 03:26.53 | Gnea | !dr17 |
| 03:26.53 | dpkg | [DR17 debs] http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/, or debs for dr17 under unstable are available at http://gefechtsdienst.de/uman/files/ |
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| 03:27.33 | Gnea | CuriouserAndCuri: ? |
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| 03:28.14 | manu | who or w does not show logged in users |
| 03:28.15 | manu | ? |
| 03:28.16 | james__ | Can you make a keyboard shortcut to a desktop item in GNOME? Or at least can you make a custom shortcut to whatever application you want? |
| 03:28.30 | Gnea | manu: didn't you see what i said about that? |
| 03:28.38 | Gnea | manu: look at /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 03:28.42 | abrotman | james__: there's a keyboard shortcuts applet |
| 03:28.50 | Gnea | manu: also look at /etc/ssh/ssh_config |
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| 03:29.09 | Gnea | manu: one of those probably has an option set to not log logged in users to wtmp or utmp |
| 03:29.10 | james__ | abrotman: Isnt that just for GNOME stuff? No custom or desktop I thought... |
| 03:29.12 | stew | james__: i don't know about gnome specifically but xbindkeys can do what you want |
| 03:29.22 | abrotman | james__: you asked about gnome |
| 03:29.34 | james__ | abrotman: Sure, I mentoned gnome |
| 03:29.47 | abrotman | oh ok .. so a gnome applet is bad? |
| 03:29.52 | james__ | yup |
| 03:29.53 | saski | does gnome 2.14 repo exist for sarge in any form? |
| 03:29.54 | Gnea | !gnome |
| 03:29.54 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, gnome is a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or - to get gnome, ask about <install gnome>, or the worst, most restrictive pile of horse dung on the face of the planet. |
| 03:29.54 | james__ | For m use |
| 03:30.07 | james__ | my* |
| 03:30.09 | CuriouserAndCuri | messed up sorry |
| 03:30.18 | Gnea | oh ok |
| 03:30.45 | CuriouserAndCuri | any idea when the mirrors will be fixed |
| 03:30.53 | deadcat | weasel00: iptables |
| 03:30.59 | stew | saski: no, gnome 2.14 doesn't exist |
| 03:30.59 | Gnea | CuriouserAndCuri: when they are fixed. |
| 03:31.04 | Gnea | shit system shutdown |
| 03:31.06 | Gnea | bbl |
| 03:31.10 | CuriouserAndCuri | figures |
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| 03:32.00 | SpongeJr | heya... |
| 03:32.09 | SpongeJr | I'm still having trouble with my network under sarge |
| 03:32.17 | SpongeJr | works great under knoppix though |
| 03:32.32 | SpongeJr | trying to figure out what's different that's making it work but don't know what to do or where to start |
| 03:32.35 | SpongeJr | any help? |
| 03:32.51 | stew | SpongeJr: man interfaces ; /msg dpkg man interfaces |
| 03:32.58 | pokole | SpongeJr: wifi? |
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| 03:33.18 | SpongeJr | nah, onboard 10/100 |
| 03:33.24 | pokole | :) |
| 03:33.30 | k-man | does anyone know of a faq that explains the features and benefits of OSS over closed source that is aimed at not technical readers? |
| 03:33.32 | SpongeJr | Rhine II, Via KT-400 chipset |
| 03:33.40 | pokole | that should work like charm |
| 03:33.48 | SpongeJr | heh it does under Knoppix |
| 03:33.52 | SpongeJr | brb rebooting to sarge |
| 03:34.07 | abrotman | k-man: who would you like it aimed at? |
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| 03:34.30 | k-man | non technical users |
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| 03:34.42 | abrotman | k-man: like .. managers? |
| 03:35.05 | k-man | Nowak, your average home user |
| 03:35.09 | SpongeJr | heh |
| 03:35.13 | beered | Anybody knows if Debian has Compiz/XGL in its sight? |
| 03:35.18 | abrotman | k-man: oh .. wow |
| 03:35.22 | abrotman | beered: /msg dpkg xgl |
| 03:35.24 | k-man | why they should use firefox over IE and why they should use thunderbird over outlook |
| 03:35.30 | k-man | that kind of thing |
| 03:36.25 | manu | who or w does not show logged in users, /var/log/wtmp is empty and sshd_cofig is ok |
| 03:36.31 | deadcat | beered: no |
| 03:36.32 | beered | abrotman: dpkg has nothing about debian and compiz |
| 03:36.37 | abrotman | k-man: maybe ##linux ? |
| 03:36.43 | abrotman | beered: i know .. |
| 03:36.51 | abrotman | beered: you might have to do some reasearch |
| 03:36.57 | deadcat | beered: http://gravityboy.livejournal.com/ |
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| 03:37.06 | weasel00 | deadcat : do you happen to have a link or advice on a suggested firewall/packet filtering solution? |
| 03:37.12 | gravity | eh? |
| 03:37.15 | gravity | oh |
| 03:37.17 | abrotman | canadian! |
| 03:37.19 | gravity | I'm working on it now actually |
| 03:37.27 | gravity | But it's not going anywhere just yet |
| 03:37.36 | deadcat | gravity: (= |
| 03:37.38 | gravity | We need to get 7.0 in to unstable |
| 03:38.05 | abrotman | i watched uhm .. some cartoon the other morning .. they ran into some canadian astronauts .. and they made the one guy say 'eh' about two dozen times :) |
| 03:38.15 | abrotman | gravity: well .. jeez .. what are you slacking for? |
| 03:38.19 | deadcat | weasel00: apt-cache search firewall, there are scripts that help you build a firewall. i just use iptables myself |
| 03:38.45 | Nowak | k-man: huh ? |
| 03:38.52 | weasel00 | deadcat : thanks ill start there =) |
| 03:39.12 | deadcat | yay |
| 03:39.14 | abrotman | Nowak: don't deny it .. you know what he's talking about! |
| 03:39.23 | beered | Novell is packing Compiz/XGL in the next, version 10, release of SuSe. I hope Debian gets the deb's out too. |
| 03:39.35 | abrotman | beered: or what? |
| 03:39.40 | gravity | beered: Working on it |
| 03:39.44 | lazzarello | after installing the linux-headers package for my arch, when I try and use m-a to compile a module it tells me I need to run 'make config' in /usr/src/linux. When I do it tells me there 'no input files'. I recently upgraded to etch. |
| 03:39.50 | Nowak | abrotman: just die |
| 03:39.55 | deadcat | beered: you on sid? |
| 03:40.00 | abrotman | Nowak: is that a personal request? |
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| 03:40.11 | beered | deadcat: yep. |
| 03:40.18 | gravity | Nowak abrotman Cool it |
| 03:40.32 | abrotman | i was joking .. i have no idea what his problem is :) |
| 03:40.37 | SpongeJr | ok rebooted, at console... |
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| 03:40.45 | abrotman | k-man had a misfire on Nowak .. and he seems upset about it |
| 03:40.58 | stew | lazzarello: what does "uname -r" say? exactly which linux-headers package did you install? |
| 03:41.12 | weasel00 | deadcat : wow theres a lot lol |
| 03:41.29 | beered | abrotman: Compiz/XGL is not just eye candy. Its using the power of GPU and that's a big deal for linux desktops IMO. |
| 03:41.32 | SpongeJr | did a man interfaces |
| 03:41.36 | SpongeJr | and uhhhh |
| 03:41.48 | lazzarello | stew, I installed three. 2.6.15-1-686 2.6.15-1 and 2.6.15-686 |
| 03:41.54 | beered | gravity: who is working on it? just curious. |
| 03:41.56 | abrotman | beered: some people still won't care |
| 03:42.02 | gravity | beered: I am |
| 03:42.03 | gravity | Right now |
| 03:42.05 | gravity | Just like I said |
| 03:42.06 | lazzarello | m-a made the symlink to the output of uname -r, which is 2.6.15-1-686 |
| 03:42.09 | abrotman | !beer gravity |
| 03:42.15 | beered | gravity: that's awesome! |
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| 03:42.28 | deadcat | weasel00: firestarter fwbuilder-linux guarddog shorewall are quite popular i think. they all call iptables at the core.. |
| 03:43.18 | k-man | huh? |
| 03:43.25 | weasel00 | deadcat : do they all combine together or a seperate? |
| 03:43.25 | deadcat | even if we get Xgl and compiz, i still have to wait for the openbox guys to add the fancy stuff.. |
| 03:43.28 | k-man | i had a misfire on nowak? |
| 03:43.31 | k-man | what? |
| 03:43.33 | abrotman | k-man: you made a misfire with the tab key apparently |
| 03:43.36 | beered | gravity: is that your blog? |
| 03:43.39 | abrotman | k-man: /lastlog abrotman |
| 03:43.39 | k-man | ooh |
| 03:43.41 | k-man | i see |
| 03:43.45 | gravity | beered: Yes |
| 03:43.46 | abrotman | k-man: erm .. not me .. /lastlog k-man :) |
| 03:43.49 | k-man | yes, sorry Nowak |
| 03:43.49 | deadcat | weasel00: they diff software. but i believe they all called iptables at the core |
| 03:43.59 | beered | gravity: what are the GPU req's for Compiz? |
| 03:44.07 | weasel00 | deadcat : thank you... ill be quite for a while now |
| 03:44.09 | gravity | beered: I have no idea. |
| 03:44.10 | k-man | Nowak, it was a misfire as abrotman says |
| 03:44.11 | gravity | I've never run it |
| 03:44.25 | abrotman | k-man: too late .. my death has been requested :) |
| 03:44.34 | deadcat | beered: what gpu? |
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| 03:44.57 | lazzarello | stew, would I need to install the whole kernel source tree to fix my problem? |
| 03:45.06 | stew | lazzarello: no. check the bts for m-a |
| 03:45.10 | beered | deadcat: my gpu? Its ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M6 LY |
| 03:45.11 | Gnea | we don't take too kindly to death threats :) |
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| 03:45.18 | abrotman | Gnea: noone would miss me :) |
| 03:45.23 | deadcat | beered: they best worked with nvidia at this moment. |
| 03:45.30 | beered | gravity: don't you know the specs? |
| 03:45.36 | gravity | beered: Nope |
| 03:45.40 | Gnea | abrotman: you say that now... :) |
| 03:45.42 | weasel00 | abrotman : i would =) |
| 03:45.44 | beered | deadcat: yes, that's because Compiz is at version 0.0.2 right now. :) |
| 03:45.46 | gravity | beered: I've had a few other things on my mind. This is kinda like 5th priority |
| 03:45.57 | manu | who or w does not show logged in users, /var/log/wtmp is empty and sshd_cofig is ok |
| 03:46.02 | manu | \any help |
| 03:46.03 | deadcat | beered: |
| 03:46.05 | unix_infidel | anyone have any experience with a targus defcon alarm or similar system for a laptop? i'm looking to purchase one for my laptop. something like this: http://www.targus.com/us/product_details.asp?sku=PA400U |
| 03:46.05 | gravity | I'm doing it tonight because I want to relax and not worry about getting Xorg released to unstable for one night |
| 03:46.11 | deadcat | beered: http://gentoo-wiki.com/XGL |
| 03:46.54 | abrotman | gravity: lots of bugs for 7 to go in ? |
| 03:47.00 | gravity | abrotman: Not so many, but they're there |
| 03:47.07 | gravity | I'm giving it a few days to accumulate new ones from testers |
| 03:47.10 | Gnea | manu: did you read the manpage? man sshd_config |
| 03:47.21 | gravity | I'd like to have all the shiny packages figured out by then |
| 03:47.29 | abrotman | gravity: but i can't .. BADSIG! |
| 03:47.42 | gravity | eh? |
| 03:47.47 | abrotman | gravity: /topic |
| 03:47.51 | gravity | heh |
| 03:47.58 | gravity | Sorry |
| 03:48.12 | abrotman | bad op .. doesn't read /topic |
| 03:48.15 | abrotman | !punish gravity |
| 03:48.16 | gravity | It'll hit unstable soon. I was thinking this weekend maybe |
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| 03:48.28 | abrotman | gravity: i'm sure you'll get lots of RC bugs then :) |
| 03:48.31 | gravity | I may wait one more week for bad ones to flow in |
| 03:48.43 | gravity | And to do some quick testing of my own in chroots |
| 03:48.46 | abrotman | might as well just unleash it in sid .. that's why it's called unstable :) |
| 03:49.08 | gravity | abrotman: I know. Believe me I know. But if I'm getting useful bug reports from experimental at a good rate, I'll leave it in there until they taper off |
| 03:49.22 | gravity | I don't want to break everything :-) |
| 03:49.28 | abrotman | gravity: oh .. just go for it :) |
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| 03:49.44 | gravity | Heh, I won't be able to fix things fast enough |
| 03:49.53 | gravity | If I can get rid of a few of them beforehand, that's a good thing |
| 03:49.55 | abrotman | gravity: i mean . i'm not running sid .. so you won't have me beating you up |
| 03:49.58 | gravity | It won't be much longer. I want it over. |
| 03:50.04 | gravity | I *really* am ready for this saga to be done |
| 03:50.07 | Phated | Heh. |
| 03:50.08 | gravity | It's been a solid year |
| 03:50.25 | abrotman | gravity: what's next? .. packaging xpete? |
| 03:50.29 | pipeline | X 7 is in experimental? well shit, I think I'll install that right now. |
| 03:50.35 | fiveiron | lol |
| 03:50.51 | gravity | abrotman: xgl, compiz, xephyr |
| 03:50.57 | gravity | Then actually maintaining what I've got |
| 03:50.57 | abrotman | gravity: xpete! |
| 03:51.02 | gravity | What's xpete? |
| 03:51.22 | fiveiron | wonder why gdm wasn't installed when i installed debian... |
| 03:51.23 | abrotman | gravity: http://xpete.seul.org/ .. that pete is !iapf or psuebodot on freenode |
| 03:51.25 | pipeline | it's like xbill, only' you're beating hippies back off your porch |
| 03:51.38 | abrotman | though i think !iapf is still off line |
| 03:51.52 | abrotman | and it's really really old |
| 03:51.59 | abrotman | but it does still compile/work |
| 03:52.12 | pipeline | abrotman: You should singlehandedly port it to GTK 2 :P |
| 03:52.17 | gravity | Dude, no screenshots? Laaaam |
| 03:52.23 | gravity | lame even |
| 03:52.23 | abrotman | pipeline: like i have 10 minutes to waste! |
| 03:52.30 | gravity | abrotman: Ask the debian games team to do it. |
| 03:52.31 | gravity | They love it |
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| 03:52.32 | abrotman | bah .. pete isn't here |
| 03:52.37 | pipeline | on that note, how likely are we to see GTK 1.2 moved to oldlibs? ::P |
| 03:52.41 | abrotman | gravity: i've been getting gurkan to do games :) |
| 03:52.50 | gravity | games.app? |
| 03:52.55 | beered | deadcat: From what I just read on Novells website the point of Compiz/XGL is that the hardware requirements are so low that you can run this on a el-cheapo-cards. |
| 03:53.04 | abrotman | gravity: briquolo .. |
| 03:53.11 | abrotman | and danger of the deep .. |
| 03:53.15 | abrotman | if he can get it to work |
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| 03:54.49 | dn4 | Received signal 11, exiting... |
| 03:54.49 | dn4 | Segmentation fault |
| 03:54.57 | abrotman | !sig11 |
| 03:54.57 | dpkg | well, sig11 is Process Signal 11, SEGV (Segment Violation or Segmentation Fault). The program has been smacked down by the kernel for accessing memory outside its segment; indicates a bug in the software, or, with memory-intensive software like gcc, may indicate failing RAM. See the Sig11 FAQ at http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/ |
| 03:55.01 | gravity | He's your gameslave |
| 03:55.15 | abrotman | gravity: i tried to get him to package fish sticks .. but it was packaged |
| 03:55.31 | abrotman | erm . fillets-ng |
| 03:55.52 | deadcat | beered: ya. so far only nvidia and ati proprietary driver supported. |
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| 03:56.13 | manu | who or w does not show logged in users, /var/log/wtmp is empty and sshd_cofig is ok |
| 03:56.29 | deadcat | manu: maybe you've been rooted |
| 03:56.33 | beered | deadcat: that's pretty good for pre-alpha v0.0.2 release. |
| 03:56.54 | deadcat | beered: ya. i have a nvidia on the desktop and ati on the ibook. so i am OK.. i guess. |
| 03:56.56 | dn4 | I wonder why I get a Signal 11 while playing games |
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| 03:57.34 | dn4 | any ideas on how to stop signal 11 while playing games? |
| 03:57.54 | lazzarello | dn4, tell the program's author to fix their code. |
| 03:58.01 | nevyn | dn4: get better hardware |
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| 03:58.05 | abrotman | dn4: fix your hardware |
| 03:58.12 | beered | deadcat: people will crap in their pants when they compare Compiz to Vista. Compiz has amazing eye candy and practicaly any $30 card will work with it. Vista on the other hand req's high-end GPU's... |
| 03:58.24 | beered | hand == has |
| 03:58.37 | deadcat | beered: no clue. (= |
| 03:58.43 | deadcat | ^clue^comment |
| 03:58.46 | Gnea | beered: pardon my ignorance, but what are Compiz and Vista? |
| 03:59.00 | abrotman | Gnea: windows vista .. /msg dpkg compiz |
| 03:59.16 | guk | I like vista ... |
| 03:59.17 | deadcat | Gnea: dontworryabatit. you have e17 (= |
| 03:59.18 | gravity | We'll see what happens with Xgl and compiz. |
| 03:59.22 | abrotman | Gnea: don't worry .. i'll drag you out of the 90s :) |
| 03:59.22 | Gnea | dude |
| 03:59.23 | manu | deadcat: rooted? |
| 03:59.31 | gravity | The new Xorg server will run compiz accelerated just fine |
| 03:59.33 | Gnea | E17 already uses opengl :) |
| 03:59.34 | guk | vista mas well use my big expensive video card ... it's there for a reason |
| 03:59.35 | deadcat | manu: compromised |
| 03:59.36 | weasel00 | wow.. gl isnt dead after the buyout -) |
| 03:59.45 | gravity | Buyout hasn't happened yet I thought |
| 03:59.53 | abrotman | gl got bought out ? |
| 04:00.01 | gravity | SGI is still kicking |
| 04:00.08 | manu | deadcat: but wtmp is empty not getting updated |
| 04:00.09 | deadcat | Gnea: which repo you using for e17? |
| 04:00.37 | abrotman | afaik .. GL is a standard . buying SGI does nothing to hurt that standard .. might actually make it progress a bit faster |
| 04:00.42 | Gnea | deadcat: i'm not, i'm one of those hardcore users who has scripts that compile the latest cvs code |
| 04:00.47 | deadcat | manu: if someone compromised your machine. dont you think they will make it so that file cant be updated? |
| 04:00.49 | weasel00 | i thought the main company pushing gl standards was bought up like, oh, 4-6 years ago |
| 04:00.54 | gravity | abrotman: Not really true |
| 04:00.57 | deadcat | Gnea: oh right. doh.. |
| 04:00.59 | abrotman | it's not open? |
| 04:01.00 | beered | I can't wait to make OO power-point-like presentation using Compiz/XGL. |
| 04:01.08 | deadcat | beered: hahaha |
| 04:01.09 | gravity | abrotman: It's open but SGI I think still has a major hand in it |
| 04:01.10 | manu | deadcat: You are right |
| 04:01.11 | Gnea | deadcat: uhm, it's not on the site? |
| 04:01.15 | abrotman | gravity: is this like java ? |
| 04:01.22 | gravity | That said, people just kind of propose and implement extensions to it. Then the ARB approves it. |
| 04:01.22 | manu | deadcat: I will run some checks now |
| 04:01.26 | gravity | I don't know the details |
| 04:01.40 | gravity | I'll be learning them in the future at some unknown point though, I'm sure |
| 04:01.41 | deadcat | Gnea: it is. but we had to add /etc/apt/preferences THEN apt-get hella individual stuff. |
| 04:01.41 | abrotman | maybe Sun will buy SGI :) |
| 04:01.51 | abrotman | be one big ball of sinking doodoo |
| 04:02.00 | weasel00 | abrotman : i dont know if i would cry or cherr if that happened |
| 04:02.02 | beered | gravity: what do you think how long it will take to get it to something stalbe/usable? |
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| 04:02.12 | rictus | Would anyone happen to know where debian sarge stores the kernel sources, I'm running the 2.6 kernel |
| 04:02.17 | deadcat | unless you guys plan to switch window manager to compiz, it dont do you no good. |
| 04:02.30 | gravity | beered: I'm not willing to put it in unstable until upstream releases a sourcebase that can build it. Currently, only HEAD can build it |
| 04:02.36 | abrotman | deadcat: neither do your english classes :) |
| 04:02.36 | lazzarello | rictus, in the kernel-source package |
| 04:02.52 | beered | gravity: is that fancy talk for '1 year' |
| 04:02.54 | Gnea | rictus: the source package drops the tarball in /usr/src |
| 04:02.55 | deadcat | abrotman: nope. i only passed english 1B with a B (= |
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| 04:03.02 | rictus | great, thanks |
| 04:03.06 | gravity | beered: If you want to get it moving, help get Xorg 7.0 in to testing and in good shape so that we have a solid platform to work from |
| 04:03.12 | Gnea | lazzarello: or linux-source if testing or unstable |
| 04:03.15 | gravity | beered: It's currently in experimental and needs testing |
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| 04:03.37 | gravity | beered: And no, that's not code for 1 year. Upstream plans to release fairly soon and I'll be following it up to unstable very soon |
| 04:03.40 | beered | deadcat: you don't have to switch WM to use XGL |
| 04:03.56 | deadcat | beered: xgl is pretty boring without the compiz shits |
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| 04:04.05 | abrotman | gravity: and when is your PhD completed? |
| 04:04.09 | gravity | abrotman: Got me |
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| 04:04.20 | beered | deadcat: Compiz is not WM. |
| 04:04.20 | abrotman | gravity: not even a hint? .. like this decade? |
| 04:04.22 | fiveiron | so if i'm running stable, can i install something like xorg 6.9? |
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| 04:04.30 | gravity | beered: Anyway, if you want to do more than fanboy Xgl and Compiz you could help test xorg 7 |
| 04:04.31 | abrotman | fiveiron: /msg dpkg backports |
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| 04:04.41 | gravity | abrotman: Yeah, within the next three years I'm thinking |
| 04:04.42 | deadcat | beered: you sure. |
| 04:04.43 | fiveiron | abrotman: i'm looking at backports right now |
| 04:04.52 | abrotman | gravity: well .. that's good .. i guess |
| 04:04.57 | beered | deadcat: yes, let me find a link... brb. |
| 04:05.07 | beered | gravity: I'll try... |
| 04:05.24 | abrotman | fiveiron: 6.9 or 6.8.2 is at backports.org |
| 04:05.30 | deadcat | is fanboy == huge fan? |
| 04:05.32 | gravity | Xgl isn't worth shit without Xorg 7 underneath it |
| 04:05.35 | beered | deadcat: ok. I was wrong. It is a WM. |
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| 04:05.51 | beered | http://en.opensuse.org/Compiz |
| 04:05.52 | weasel00 | deadcat : you could be called the debian llama, like me ;) |
| 04:05.55 | gravity | So if we can't get that basic idea settled, then we can't do xgl |
| 04:05.57 | gravity | Or aiglx |
| 04:05.59 | deadcat | gravity: xgl makes things go faster right? |
| 04:06.08 | gravity | deadcat: It's got racing stripes on the side |
| 04:06.20 | deadcat | shiet (= |
| 04:06.33 | gravity | abrotman: It's not their decision |
| 04:06.34 | beered | gravity: How is xorg's 7 support for ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M6 LY |
| 04:06.34 | abrotman | dices? |
| 04:06.37 | deadcat | like a rally car then? |
| 04:06.41 | abrotman | gravity: they can move it though! |
| 04:06.45 | gravity | beered: It's identical to 6.9's |
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| 04:07.06 | manu | gravity: Hvae you got xgl running in debian ;) |
| 04:07.07 | gravity | abrotman: Any DD can hijack it and upload it to unstable |
| 04:07.07 | deadcat | beered: if you want acceleration. you need the fglxr thing.. |
| 04:07.19 | gravity | manu: No. I just failed again tonight, and I think I'm going to quit for now. |
| 04:07.22 | gravity | New server build errors |
| 04:07.29 | manu | gravity: hmm |
| 04:07.30 | deadcat | weasel00: come again? i didnt get that comment (= |
| 04:07.31 | abrotman | gravity: maybe if i promise damog i'll go to DC .. he'll do it? |
| 04:07.44 | manu | gravity: I have ati igp 340M on laptop |
| 04:07.44 | gravity | abrotman: No one wants to deal with this beast |
| 04:07.47 | gravity | manu: Me too |
| 04:07.58 | manu | gravity: I dont know if its going to work |
| 04:08.00 | abrotman | gravity: have you done it mostly single handedly? |
| 04:08.04 | weasel00 | deadcat : it was from the fanboy equality question |
| 04:08.05 | gravity | abrotman: Yes |
| 04:08.11 | gravity | manu: Me neither |
| 04:08.14 | manu | gravity: What is your fps while running glxgears |
| 04:08.15 | abrotman | gravity: you must drink for free in every town :) |
| 04:08.20 | gravity | manu: I don't know and I don't care |
| 04:08.28 | gravity | heh |
| 04:08.29 | manu | gravity: Do you use dri drivers? |
| 04:08.30 | deadcat | weasel00: oh. i just assume the word fanboy mean a huge fan of something. |
| 04:08.33 | gravity | manu: Yes |
| 04:08.39 | manu | ok,mee to |
| 04:08.46 | gravity | If it doesn't work on my chip I'll try to make it work |
| 04:08.51 | gravity | Since this is all I've really got |
| 04:09.14 | manu | gravity: Yeah, i use for my owrk too a bit reluctant to experiment |
| 04:09.44 | gravity | Anyway, xgl is really not as big a deal to me as modular X. |
| 04:09.46 | deadcat | weasel00: did you attend the CABAL meeting on sat? |
| 04:09.48 | gravity | It's way more important |
| 04:09.59 | abrotman | it is .. but it's not eye candy |
| 04:10.05 | gravity | It translates to eye candy. |
| 04:10.14 | beered | isn't modular X the only change from 6.9 to 7? |
| 04:10.17 | gravity | Yes |
| 04:10.19 | abrotman | modular X is great from a developer/maintainer standpoint .. xgl is more apparent to end users |
| 04:10.39 | weasel00 | deadcat : couldnt make it... 2 other meetings on saturday and kevix told me it wsa friday 13th which through me for a loop cause i stayed up 3 days getting a mud up and lost track of time lol |
| 04:10.41 | abrotman | they don't care if it's modular or monolithic .. as long as it looks pretty :) |
| 04:10.48 | gravity | I know, but modular will actually translate to things users want and need, like driver fixes |
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| 04:10.54 | weasel00 | deadcat |
| 04:11.03 | weasel00 | deadcat : gonna try for the next one |
| 04:11.14 | gravity | People who wouldn't hack on X now will because it's a build system they understand and they can focus just on the piece with their bug |
| 04:11.18 | deadcat | weasel00: (= how did friday 13 get into taht? |
| 04:11.19 | abrotman | gravity: yay .. no more 134MB downloads for bug fixes! |
| 04:11.28 | gravity | Pretty much |
| 04:11.35 | gravity | Among other benefits |
| 04:11.53 | weasel00 | deadcat : i have no clue, you will have to ask kevix on that one... i asked when the next one was and that was the response lol |
| 04:11.56 | abrotman | next .. gravity will make Hurd work |
| 04:12.16 | beered | fglrx driver doesn't support my card. |
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| 04:12.29 | beered | but I don't think I need it for Compiz/XGL |
| 04:12.36 | deadcat | weasel00: we had shit loads of stuff to eat, bbq chickens, casserole, cookies, beer, wine, and more. |
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| 04:13.01 | deadcat | beered: you can use radeon, but mileage may vary with it |
| 04:13.14 | beered | deadcat: I have a laptop. |
| 04:13.16 | gravity | ugh... tired |
| 04:13.30 | abrotman | so sleep .. i am! |
| 04:13.32 | deadcat | beered: ya.. same here. and the radeon driver sucks.. |
| 04:13.34 | weasel00 | deadcat : your gonna make me cry.. my day consisted of ppl acting like roosters in the hen house, stalking out their mates and pecking at rivals *sigh* |
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| 04:13.55 | beered | deadcat: ah, I get it. |
| 04:14.01 | deadcat | weasel00: heheeh. |
| 04:14.08 | weasel00 | deadcat : fanboy == http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanboy |
| 04:14.15 | beered | deadcat: what GPU do you have? |
| 04:14.16 | deadcat | weasel00: they were drinking red stripe beer, and some fancy wine. |
| 04:14.26 | deadcat | beered: whats GPU? |
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| 04:14.36 | beered | deadcat: what graphic card do you have in your laptop? |
| 04:14.50 | deadcat | weasel00: ahhh.. hehe. fanboys |
| 04:14.54 | weasel00 | deadcat : redstripe? obviously they need a conosiouers tastes to make things beer ;) |
| 04:15.03 | weasel00 | s/beer/better |
| 04:15.13 | deadcat | beered: ati. 32MB. the one in an ibook g3 800mhz |
| 04:15.29 | deadcat | beered: Video Card: ATI Radeon Mobility 7500, 32MB VRAM (Radeon M7) |
| 04:16.03 | gravity | I'll know better for the future I guess |
| 04:16.13 | deadcat | weasel00: jamaican beer mon |
| 04:16.30 | deadcat | gravity: or kick/ban them (= |
| 04:16.33 | weasel00 | deadcat : favorite line from wiki... Sony Fanboys - sometimes called "Tools" |
| 04:16.44 | deadcat | hehe. |
| 04:17.17 | weasel00 | deadcat : pick up a bottle of austria's finest.. Samiclause 14.9% =) |
| 04:17.42 | deadcat | weasel00: i dont drink. so i dont really know what you talking about. (=. |
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| 04:17.57 | gravity | Damn... 14.9%? |
| 04:17.59 | gravity | Hardcore |
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| 04:19.47 | fiveiron | bah.. what is the apt-get command to install the linux kernel sources? |
| 04:19.59 | deadcat | apt-get |
| 04:20.13 | weasel00 | gravity : highest continually produced beer in the world... sam adams makes a triple bock that last year smelled like soy sauce but was "supposedly" 16.x - doubt it lol |
| 04:20.35 | gravity | weasel00: I heard that the sam triple bock was awful |
| 04:20.40 | gravity | I didn't try it though |
| 04:20.42 | deadcat | weasel00: so why not just drink soy sauce? (= |
| 04:20.45 | weasel00 | it is.... |
| 04:21.05 | gravity | Yay. Apparently Sam actually did make one good beer in very limited quantities though, but I forget what it was. |
| 04:21.12 | weasel00 | deadcat : putting rice in a beer bottle is just wrong though.. and how is one supposed to get the chopsticks in there? |
| 04:21.24 | deadcat | haha |
| 04:21.51 | chealer | fiveiron: it depends on which linux sources you want |
| 04:21.59 | weasel00 | gravity : you thinking of the @100 bottle in the shape of a fermentation vat? |
| 04:22.07 | gravity | weasel00: Maybe. I didn't see it |
| 04:22.24 | gravity | It was expensive though |
| 04:22.36 | gravity | And in a big-ass bottle, though I didn't hear that the shape was anything interesting |
| 04:22.42 | weasel00 | gravity : it was a limited run.. about 300 were shipped to CA... so not worth it |
| 04:22.47 | gravity | Ah |
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| 04:23.41 | deadcat | weasel00: you baytobreakers? |
| 04:23.50 | weasel00 | gravity : big bottles? heineken 3ltr, stone brewery has 3 3ltr, and anchor xmas 3ltr |
| 04:24.30 | gravity | weasel00: None of those, although I'd hit anything from Stone :-) |
| 04:24.33 | weasel00 | deadcat : watching ppl run across the city makes me laugh |
| 04:24.39 | deadcat | hahah |
| 04:24.39 | gravity | I've never been impressed by anchor |
| 04:24.50 | weasel00 | gravity : try thier old foghorn? |
| 04:24.54 | gravity | Nope |
| 04:25.01 | weasel00 | i suggest it |
| 04:25.14 | weasel00 | makes tech support go by quicker ;) |
| 04:25.18 | gravity | Hahaha |
| 04:25.23 | gravity | I'll keep that in mind :-) |
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| 04:26.19 | gravity | weasel00: Are you from San Diego? |
| 04:26.33 | weasel00 | gravity : norcal... san jose atm |
| 04:26.53 | gravity | weasel00: Ah, I didn't know bevmo was up there. I've only been to the San Diego one |
| 04:27.12 | gravity | I still have my card and get email updates so I know the deals to buy my brother as gifts :-) |
| 04:27.22 | deadcat | weasel00: i was in sj on sunday.. messing with my friend's neighbors' wireless. hahah. |
| 04:27.31 | weasel00 | gravity 55 stores atm... gonna be 70+ at years end... next year will be um...arizona? |
| 04:27.50 | gravity | Nice |
| 04:27.55 | gravity | bevmo is awesome |
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| 04:28.12 | weasel00 | gravity : they are making the same mistakes i ahve dealt with at startups though... so i left...dun pissed me for the last time |
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| 04:28.22 | gravity | Fun |
| 04:29.54 | weasel00 | one advantage is that i am a fine conosouier of boooze and would suggest a fine bottle elena zin to be your companion during installs ;) |
| 04:30.05 | gravity | :-) |
| 04:30.27 | unfo | ~lart |
| 04:30.28 | weasel00 | cept for deadcat.. i would suggest the brainwash from realsoda ;) |
| 04:30.31 | gravity | I don't know wine at all, although I'd like to have the cash to learn it. I was in Napa over Christmas, which was a fun intro |
| 04:30.53 | unfo | ARG! tried to type /part w/o looking at screen. i'm on a laptop. sorry |
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| 04:32.16 | weasel00 | gravity : check out the wineries down there... free tastings get your pallette familiar with it.. check outwilsons creek walnut (almond?) champagne... tastes great ;) |
| 04:32.37 | weasel00 | gravity : i tihnk its from socal somewhere |
| 04:32.41 | gravity | weasel00: Well, I'm not in SD now. There's no wineries in Boston :-) |
| 04:33.10 | deputycleric | any idea why MAKEDEV in sarge does nothing? |
| 04:33.14 | weasel00 | gravity : have to get you to send me some yuenling sometime ;) |
| 04:33.22 | deputycleric | cd /dev && ./MAKEDEV generic |
| 04:33.27 | gravity | hehe |
| 04:33.30 | deputycleric | sits there a while, but creates no new devices |
| 04:33.31 | deputycleric | very odd |
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| 04:33.41 | gravity | deputycleric: If you have udev installed, that's the reason |
| 04:34.23 | deputycleric | yes, udev is installed... been a while since i did it |
| 04:34.31 | deputycleric | hadn't thought of that |
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| 04:35.32 | gravity | deputycleric: You may have to write a udev rule for it. My /dev has it, but I'm running sid |
| 04:35.41 | gravity | I know nothing about writing such rules though |
| 04:35.52 | deputycleric | i be annoyed |
| 04:36.01 | weasel00 | i r weasel00 |
| 04:36.19 | stew | deputycleric: what version of udev are you running? |
| 04:36.21 | deputycleric | any idea what the philosophy was for MAKEDEV not doing nuttin' under these circumstances? |
| 04:36.25 | deputycleric | never mind... i will google it |
| 04:36.30 | deputycleric | grrrr |
| 04:36.34 | deputycleric | thank you, by the way |
| 04:36.39 | stew | deputycleric: what version of debian? |
| 04:36.45 | deputycleric | sarge |
| 04:36.54 | curt | xorg crashes log says missing default font 'fixed'? Some apt-get the other I noticed some fonts being removed... |
| 04:37.00 | deputycleric | 2.6.8-2-386 #1 Thu May 19 17:40:50 JST 2005 i686 |
| 04:37.27 | stew | deputycleric: do you have an /etc/udev/cd-aliases.rules? |
| 04:37.28 | beered | What's the easiest way to 'read' a binary README.gz file? |
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| 04:37.36 | stew | beered: zless README.gz |
| 04:37.55 | deputycleric | yes, here it is |
| 04:38.02 | deputycleric | BUS="scsi", KERNEL="sr[0-9]*", \ |
| 04:38.02 | deputycleric | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:38.02 | deputycleric | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:38.02 | deputycleric | BUS="ide", KERNEL="hd[a-z]", SYSFS{removable}="1", \ |
| 04:38.02 | deputycleric | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:38.08 | beered | stew: thanks. |
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| 04:38.52 | stew | !tell deputycleric about flood |
| 04:38.59 | stew | deputycleric: do you have the "ide-cd" module loaded? |
| 04:39.13 | deputycleric | i was afraid i would get kicked, sorry |
| 04:39.22 | stew | deputycleric: and do you have the "ide_scsi" module loaded? |
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| 04:39.32 | curt | nevermind I found dpkg's answer... love dpkg |
| 04:40.05 | deputycleric | no ide-cd |
| 04:40.17 | deputycleric | no ide_scsi, but then this pc has no scsi |
| 04:40.21 | deputycleric | it's all ide |
| 04:40.40 | deputycleric | i think i am on the right track now, thanks to these informational nudges |
| 04:40.41 | CptnObvious | Hi. I've got a few questions, so I'll get started. |
| 04:40.46 | stew | deputycleric: "modprobe ide-cd" and it should create the /dev/cdrom link for you |
| 04:41.03 | CptnObvious | I have a SB Live 24 bit 7.1 card that works in Mandriva, but won't work in Debian because the module doesn't seem to be detected. |
| 04:41.13 | stew | CptnObvious: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 04:41.19 | karrot-x | what's a .dsc? |
| 04:41.27 | CptnObvious | 2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 04:41.28 | deputycleric | loaded the modules |
| 04:41.29 | stew | karrot-x: a "debian source control" file |
| 04:41.35 | stew | CptnObvious: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
| 04:41.38 | karrot-x | stew: how do i use this? :0 |
| 04:41.41 | deputycleric | but didn't create the link |
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| 04:41.50 | jayr168 | how can I adjust scrollbar size in KDE? |
| 04:42.18 | weasel00 | christ... openbsd blew my drive i tihnk.. the bios are still reading it as a 10 terrabyte drive lmao |
| 04:42.31 | stew | karrot-x: dpkg-source -x blah.dsc ; will unpack the source and apply the debian patches, if you then want to build the package, cd to the source directory and debian/rules clean ; debian/rules binary |
| 04:42.35 | CptnObvious | I've tried alsaconf already. |
| 04:42.47 | jayr168 | guys? |
| 04:42.58 | CptnObvious | The Mandriva I've used had a 2.6.12 kernel. |
| 04:43.04 | CptnObvious | I think that might be the reason why. |
| 04:43.27 | CptnObvious | However I don't think you can go newer in kernels in Sarge, correct? |
| 04:43.47 | karrot-x | sh: line 1: dpkg-source: command not found |
| 04:43.54 | Stevie | I have a modified sarge netinst cd that installs 2.6.15 |
| 04:43.55 | karrot-x | stew: ^normal? |
| 04:45.00 | stew | karrot-x: install dpkg-dev |
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| 04:45.01 | CptnObvious | Oh. |
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| 04:45.12 | CptnObvious | So how do I get a newer kernel? |
| 04:45.18 | stew | CptnObvious: /msg dpkg backports |
| 04:45.34 | beered | Anybody knows if 25820 frames in 5.0 seconds = 5163.983 FPS is enough for Compiz/XGL/Xorg7? |
| 04:45.40 | stew | CptnObvious: what does "lspci -n | grep 0401" report? |
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| 04:45.55 | gravity | beered: It mostly depends on your card's memory and how fast it can move data back and forth |
| 04:45.59 | Mark- | anyone here an nmap guru/know a lot about linux kernel tcp/ip? |
| 04:46.00 | lazzarello | holy crap! I only get 2000 fps and I think that's fast! |
| 04:46.05 | CptnObvious | 0000:00:0b.0 0401: 1102:0007 |
| 04:46.21 | gravity | Frames rendered in glxgears doesn't mean jack |
| 04:46.30 | beered | gravity: Its 16Mb card. What do you mean on moving data back and forth? |
| 04:46.35 | gravity | beered: Anyway, such questions are better reserved for #xgl |
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| 04:46.36 | Mark- | i cant figure out why my debian servers are revealing uptime but my gentoo servers arent, even though neither are firewalled and both have tcp timestamping turned on |
| 04:46.49 | stew | CptnObvious: what happens when you "modprobe emu10k1-gp" ? |
| 04:46.54 | karrot-x | stew: dh_testdir command not found |
| 04:46.57 | gravity | beered: Think about it. Xgl has to move lots of pixmaps to your card to render them via opengl in hardware, right? |
| 04:47.06 | gravity | beered: You need to move lots of data around |
| 04:47.07 | stew | karrot-x: apt-get build-dep packagename |
| 04:47.22 | CptnObvious | paul@upstairs:~$ ls /dev/ds* |
| 04:47.22 | CptnObvious | /dev/dsp /dev/dsp0 /dev/dsp1 /dev/dsp2 /dev/dsp3 |
| 04:47.46 | zion | .. |
| 04:47.54 | gravity | glxgears isn't a very good test. There's very little moving to and from the card's memory |
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| 04:48.01 | CptnObvious | But it doesn't work. |
| 04:48.01 | beered | gravity: This is AGP card... |
| 04:48.13 | gravity | You've got three static objects, and you're just rotating them continuously |
| 04:48.16 | beered | gravity: I don't know how else to test it. |
| 04:48.26 | gravity | beered: Get it working and test the software |
| 04:48.29 | gravity | That's how it usually works |
| 04:48.37 | stew | CptnObvious: err, crap you should probably unload emu10k1-gp and load snd-ca0106 |
| 04:48.48 | gravity | 16MB may be on the low side |
| 04:48.49 | beered | gravity: it's working just fine. I don't know what software to test. compiz is in prealpha. |
| 04:49.06 | gravity | beered: Then why are you so worried about it? |
| 04:49.10 | stew | CptnObvious: if you don't have that or it doesn't work, try a newer kernel from backports.org ; http://backports.org/instructions.html |
| 04:49.19 | beered | gravity: I'm not worried. I'm curious. |
| 04:49.23 | stew | time to walk the pooch and go to bed, /me has jury duty in the morning |
| 04:49.25 | CptnObvious | FATAL: Module snd_ca0106 not found. |
| 04:49.25 | CptnObvious | FATAL: Error running install command for snd_ca0106 |
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| 04:49.37 | stew | CptnObvious: you need a newer kernel then |
| 04:49.40 | gravity | beered: The people in #xgl would know better than anyone in #debian |
| 04:49.45 | jayr168 | how do I enable power management in debian 3.1 sarge? |
| 04:49.47 | gravity | Seeing as Xgl and compiz aren't in Debian yet |
| 04:50.48 | gravity | Like I said, I'm working on getting it in to Debian, but until that happens the available knowledge on the subject in this channel is going to be low |
| 04:52.06 | curt | way past my curfew. |
| 04:52.27 | deputycleric | "i'm leaving now", the IRC user said curtly |
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| 04:52.38 | gravity | heh |
| 04:53.30 | weasel00 | gravity : any ideas why a 20ghd would be read by bios as a 10 terra byte drive? |
| 04:53.39 | gravity | weasel00: Nope, sorry |
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| 04:54.24 | CptnObvious | Uhh you read it wrong? |
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| 04:54.42 | CptnObvious | Can you get the definitions of the Cylanders, Heads, and Sectors and sector size? |
| 04:54.49 | CptnObvious | Multiply all that and you might find out why. |
| 04:55.13 | Organs | Umm....so hey. I'm in need of a repository mirror that'll work properly in the US. Is anyone else having difficulties? |
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| 04:56.25 | karrot-x | stew: thanks for the huge help |
| 04:56.33 | Organs | Hmm. Good point, gravity. |
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| 04:57.09 | gravity | Organs: I use http://us.debian.org and it's working fine |
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| 04:57.41 | rictus | is there a way for me to manually add a flag for make to find and use a makefile from another directory? |
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| 04:58.08 | weasel00 | CptnObvious : its so wierd.. bios are set to auto detect and pulls it up correctly, then after the screen refresh with the info grid it states its a 10tb.. is this info at that point being pulledoff the hd? |
| 04:58.15 | Organs | Interesting, 'cuz I kept getting errors during the initial installation when I tried to use us.debian.org |
| 04:58.57 | weasel00 | Organs : i did also.. switched mirrors and went without a hitch.. well minus the hd being fooked |
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| 04:59.52 | Organs | Mmm time to futz with settings until I get a working mirror. |
| 05:00.25 | Organs | I need things new and working so that my widescreen display can have a matching widescreen res. |
| 05:01.04 | manu | deadcat: Cant find any instance of rooting as you said |
| 05:01.12 | signature16 | i cant find a good tutorial/wiki for debian. can somebody link me to good sites? |
| 05:01.14 | manu | deadcat: What else could bethe reason |
| 05:02.27 | Organs | signature16: you can find lots of small tutorials and wikis, but linux in general is too broad (even in one disto) to have a "comprehensive" manual, usually. |
| 05:02.47 | Organs | signature16: places like IRC and forums are the best place for REALLY hard stuff. |
| 05:03.20 | signature16 | Organs: i just need a good basic mysql guide....and i cant find one. they are all written for fedora |
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| 05:03.57 | Growly|someother | hi everyone! |
| 05:04.09 | Stevie | hi Growly! |
| 05:04.31 | Growly | now, I have a very quick question - how do I use a serial port for terminal access to, say, my cisco 3640 from deb? |
| 05:04.38 | Growly | any input will be rewarded with eCookies. |
| 05:04.40 | levander | 'uname -a' isn't reporting the patch level of the kernel i'm running. Anyone know of a command that reports the kernel version to more specifity? |
| 05:05.02 | Stevie | Growly: you could use minicom |
| 05:05.19 | Stevie | Screen might work too |
| 05:05.23 | Organs | signature16: an installation guide? |
| 05:05.24 | Stevie | try 'screen /dev/ttyS0' |
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| 05:05.33 | Stevie | levander: cat /proc/version |
| 05:05.39 | Growly | Stevie - have an eCookie |
| 05:05.57 | weasel00 | CptnObvious : anythoughts on how to change this or where to look? fdisk, bios intially read it correctly |
| 05:06.00 | Growly | Stevie - how do I set transmit parameters, like parity, bps, etc? |
| 05:06.26 | Stevie | stty -F/dev/ttyS0 |
| 05:06.36 | Stevie | or in minicom you can specify that stuff |
| 05:06.42 | levander | Stevie: not in there either, i bet the person who built this kernel didn't put the patch level in whatever standard place it's supposed to be in the kernel. It's in the package description, but not anywhere else I can find. |
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| 05:07.22 | signature16 | Organs; yes |
| 05:07.23 | Stevie | levander: If it's not in /proc/version, then there's no identifying marks in the kernel |
| 05:07.41 | levander | Stevie: yeah, that's what i was afraid of, damn... |
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| 05:08.31 | Organs | signature16: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/linux-rpm.html |
| 05:08.49 | manu | who or w does not show logged in users, /var/log/wtmp is empty and sshd_cofig is ok |
| 05:08.52 | samudio | somebody from london ontario |
| 05:08.52 | signature16 | Organs: k...thats the one im following kinda |
| 05:08.53 | manu | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:09.05 | manu | whatelse could be the reason |
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| 05:09.48 | Growly | Stevie - have another eCookie |
| 05:09.58 | Stevie | uh |
| 05:09.59 | Stevie | thanks. |
| 05:10.00 | Organs | signature16: well, it's RPM so it should install just fine. |
| 05:10.05 | Stevie | how many eCalories in this? |
| 05:10.23 | signature16 | Organs: i did apt-get install mysql-server does that do the same thign? |
| 05:10.30 | Growly | eCal = 142bytes |
| 05:11.11 | Stevie | lol |
| 05:12.10 | Organs | signature16: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/debianserver.htm |
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| 05:17.11 | signature16 | if i install apache and then i apt-get install apache2 will my settings be imported into the new apache configuration? |
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| 05:17.42 | Organs | Uh.....I have no idea, signature16. I just know where to look. |
| 05:17.53 | Organs | Or rather HOW to look. |
| 05:18.19 | SavannahLion | howdie |
| 05:18.23 | signature16 | Organs: how would i look? |
| 05:18.26 | Growly | i wanna be a pro! |
| 05:18.51 | SavannahLion | When using apt, how can I find out which server(s) a package is coming from? |
| 05:19.29 | Xenguy | Is this Argument or |
| 05:19.34 | Xenguy | Abuse ? |
| 05:19.46 | Xenguy | whoops, wrong channel |
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| 05:20.14 | Xenguy | !terminal |
| 05:20.24 | LsD- | lol |
| 05:20.58 | ice_1963 | :) |
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| 05:21.26 | karsten | Hrm. Any idea why my laptop would be stuck at 42% charged for the battery? |
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| 05:22.36 | Organs | signature16: the magic trick is to google three words: your distro (Debian), your main subject (mysql) and the problem (install). |
| 05:22.38 | karsten | SavannahLion: There's a few utility packages for apt which give metadata. In general, it shouldn't matter what server(s) your packages are coming from so long as they're standard Debian sources. |
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| 05:22.58 | karsten | SavannahLion: apt-show-versions may give you what you want. |
| 05:24.23 | karsten | SavannahLion: ... then again, maybe not. |
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| 05:24.52 | SavannahLion | I'm trying to get a divx decoder and I'm wondering whether I should get it installed or not |
| 05:25.04 | karsten | SavannahLion: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 05:25.06 | SavannahLion | (This is of course after reading about issues about a recent RUBY package problem) |
| 05:26.50 | SavannahLion | That was one of the URL's I picked up for unnofficial packages. Wasn't sure if I should use it or not |
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| 05:27.34 | SavannahLion | Thanks karsten |
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| 05:29.02 | ice_1963 | this is for all the people that work's on Debian 'thank you' |
| 05:29.03 | Stevie | I am KING |
| 05:29.06 | michael117 | I've installed fluxbox through apt-get on a remote machine that I connect to by ssh and tightvnc but it will not run and I get the follow error message: http://pastebin.com/600073 |
| 05:29.45 | CptnObvious | Yay sound. |
| 05:29.47 | CptnObvious | :D |
| 05:30.14 | Stevie | got sound support in, CptnObvious? |
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| 05:30.33 | CptnObvious | Stevie: Yup, just needed new kernel. |
| 05:30.39 | CptnObvious | I"m on a 2.6.15 kernel :woot: |
| 05:30.57 | CptnObvious | I just realized something. The 2.6.8 kernel I installed was for the wrong system build. |
| 05:31.06 | Stevie | I remember the first time I added sound support |
| 05:31.07 | CptnObvious | I'm suprised I didn't crash Debian. |
| 05:31.14 | Stevie | this was before Debian, before real distros |
| 05:31.25 | Stevie | I had to recompile my kernel to add in sound card support |
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| 05:31.42 | SJr | Hmmmmm how do I setup DRI in X.org? |
| 05:32.09 | Stevie | no make xconfig, no make menuconfig, I had to answer 10 thousand questions and I was terrified I'd answer one wrong |
| 05:32.11 | CptnObvious | Hmm. Now to figure out how to get E17 as my default WM and Entrance as my login manager or something. |
| 05:32.18 | CptnObvious | I don't mind starting in CLI. |
| 05:32.29 | michael117 | I need help getting fluxbox to work |
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| 05:33.28 | Mark- | =[ |
| 05:33.35 | Stevie | what's up, Mark? |
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| 05:33.47 | Mark- | just inconsistancies |
| 05:33.57 | Mark- | i have 2 servers, 1 debian, 1 gentoo |
| 05:34.02 | Mark- | neither firewalled |
| 05:34.17 | Stevie | and? |
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| 05:34.18 | Mark- | if i nmap them, debian can be fingerprinted for uptime, gentoo cannot |
| 05:34.26 | SavannahLion | Do I want to install bmon for traffic monitoring or does anyone recommend something different? |
| 05:34.34 | Mark- | both have tcp timestamping turned on |
| 05:34.53 | Mark- | it just doesnt make sense |
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| 05:35.02 | Stevie | the uptime fingerprinting would be basedo n the kernel |
| 05:35.15 | Mark- | yea its supposedly based entirely on tcp fingerprinting |
| 05:35.30 | Mark- | which would lead me to believe that both systems should be revealing uptime through nmap |
| 05:35.36 | Mark- | but only the debian one is |
| 05:36.20 | signature16 | how do i add something to the default run level? |
| 05:36.32 | Mark- | its not terribly important, but.. just something thats bugging me |
| 05:36.33 | Mark- | ya know? |
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| 05:36.48 | chealer | signature16: you add something to runlevel 2 |
| 05:36.57 | Stevie | hey Mark- |
| 05:37.02 | Mark- | yea? |
| 05:37.09 | Stevie | cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_timestamps |
| 05:37.11 | signature16 | cheeler: whats the command? |
| 05:37.12 | Stevie | on both systems |
| 05:37.17 | Mark- | stevie: both are 1, turned on |
| 05:37.27 | Stevie | really? |
| 05:37.31 | Mark- | yea |
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| 05:37.37 | Mark- | thats why im so ?? confused lol |
| 05:37.38 | Stevie | maybe the gentoo kernel doesn't have it active |
| 05:38.04 | Mark- | my best guess so far is that it has something to do with the new feature in 2.6 kernels to change the kernel timer frequency |
| 05:38.08 | Stevie | i.e. that option is a noop |
| 05:38.10 | Mark- | 100, 250, or 1000hz |
| 05:38.30 | Mark- | my gentoo kernel is completely stock, off kernel.org |
| 05:38.53 | Mark- | but ive noticed that the debian kernel has freq of 1000hz, the one i built for my gentoo box has 250hz (i figured it was a best of both worlds type deal) |
| 05:38.58 | chealer | signature16: $ pager /etc/init.d/README |
| 05:39.02 | Mark- | so maybe that is whats tricking nmap |
| 05:39.59 | Stevie | could be |
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| 05:40.08 | markybob | wtf. The UTS Release version in include/linux/version.h 2.6.15.6-peg" does not match current version: "2.6.15.6-peg" |
| 05:40.10 | Mark- | i havent done a custom kernel for debian before |
| 05:40.15 | Stevie | i just did one tonight |
| 05:40.20 | Mark- | ah |
| 05:40.33 | Mark- | what version are you using now |
| 05:40.37 | Mark- | 2.6.15? |
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| 05:42.20 | Mark- | i wonder if anyone here is running a custom kernel with 100 or 250 for the kernel timing freq instead of the default 1000 |
| 05:42.24 | Mark- | that would be the true test |
| 05:42.54 | CompWizrd | i think i did that, sec |
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| 05:43.41 | CompWizrd | CONFIG_HZ_250=y |
| 05:43.42 | CompWizrd | yay. |
| 05:44.22 | Mark- | excellent! |
| 05:44.31 | Mark- | do you have tcp timestamping turned on? |
| 05:44.35 | Mark- | and can you nmap yourself? |
| 05:44.40 | Mark- | lol |
| 05:44.49 | CompWizrd | yes |
| 05:44.55 | CompWizrd | save me some time and give me the nmap flags :) |
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| 05:45.03 | Mark- | nmap -O localhost |
| 05:45.04 | Mark- | :D |
| 05:45.24 | CompWizrd | Running: Linux 2.4.X|2.5.X|2.6.X |
| 05:45.24 | CompWizrd | OS details: Linux 2.4.0 - 2.5.20, Linux 2.5.25 - 2.6.8 or Gentoo 1.2 Linux 2.4.19 rc1-rc7, Linux 2.6.3 - 2.6.10 |
| 05:45.27 | CompWizrd | and that was it |
| 05:45.28 | CompWizrd | with nmap 4 |
| 05:45.47 | CompWizrd | and that's with 2.6.15.4 |
| 05:45.59 | Mark- | nothing else? |
| 05:46.03 | Mark- | no uptime? |
| 05:46.08 | CompWizrd | no |
| 05:46.16 | Mark- | lol |
| 05:46.23 | Mark- | when i do that on my stock debian box, 2.6.8 kernel |
| 05:46.23 | Mark- | OS details: Linux 2.5.25 - 2.6.3 or Gentoo 1.2 Linux 2.4.19 rc1-rc7), Linux 2.6.3 - 2.6.8 |
| 05:46.23 | Mark- | Uptime 2.513 days (since Sat Mar 11 12:26:08 2006) |
| 05:46.33 | Mark- | well |
| 05:46.36 | Mark- | at least i know im not going crazy |
| 05:46.37 | CompWizrd | i might have a machine with a 1000hz timer, let me look |
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| 05:46.54 | CompWizrd | glad i did the /proc/config.gz thing |
| 05:46.55 | Mark- | i only have 1 debian system, and its on the most disgusting hardware |
| 05:47.10 | CompWizrd | crap, it's 250 as well |
| 05:47.16 | Mark- | is it 2.6.15 or 2.6.8? |
| 05:47.20 | CompWizrd | 2.6.15 again |
| 05:47.26 | Mark- | ah |
| 05:47.34 | Mark- | can you go to 2.6.15 on sarge |
| 05:47.42 | Mark- | or is devfs/udev an issue? |
| 05:47.51 | CompWizrd | it didn't give me an uptime on that one either |
| 05:48.01 | CompWizrd | i'm trying to think if i have a 2.6.15 with 1000hz |
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| 05:48.16 | CompWizrd | pfft, easy fix.. update the first machine i tested to 1000hz |
| 05:48.23 | CompWizrd | give me 5 minutes and i'll change it and reboot it |
| 05:48.26 | Mark- | kk |
| 05:48.30 | Mark- | i appreciate it man |
| 05:48.37 | Mark- | ive been in /proc for like an hour on both systems |
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| 05:48.42 | Mark- | seeing what was causing the discrepency |
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| 05:48.53 | CompWizrd | i need to reboot it soon anyways.. 1000hz is what you want, right? |
| 05:48.56 | Mark- | yea |
| 05:49.02 | CompWizrd | ok |
| 05:49.03 | Mark- | since thats what debian uses by default in sarge stock kernel |
| 05:49.24 | Mark- | i wanna see if its 2.6.15 breaking tcp timestamp uptime fingerprinting |
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| 05:49.28 | Mark- | or the timer frequency |
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| 05:50.39 | CompWizrd | yeah, i got a timestamp off a 2.4.32 machine, so at least i know my nmap works too |
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| 05:51.42 | Mark- | im goin through nmap source to see if i can find any place it makes assumptions |
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| 05:52.00 | crimson | hello |
| 05:52.34 | crimson | hey i have been using unbuntu for about a week now but it feels to windowsish for me can anyone recremmend something for a newbie |
| 05:53.34 | Mark- | hm |
| 05:53.55 | ice_1963 | :) |
| 05:53.56 | Mark- | really, debian isnt that difficult |
| 05:54.05 | Mark- | just plain old sarge/stable |
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| 05:54.42 | crimson | plus everytime i do dpgk it tells me no such file |
| 05:55.12 | Mark- | hm well |
| 05:55.15 | ice_1963 | dpkg -i file name lol |
| 05:55.21 | CompWizrd | kernel compiled, now rebooting the machine.. gives me something to do tomorrow if it doesn't reboot :) |
| 05:55.29 | crimson | i know that ice |
| 05:55.30 | Mark- | CompWizrd: i appreciate this :D |
| 05:55.43 | markybob | crimson, you have the file on your hd? what's the name? |
| 05:55.44 | crimson | still tels me |
| 05:55.52 | jayr168 | is synaptic as acurate as apt-get? |
| 05:55.57 | jayr168 | ? |
| 05:56.00 | Mark- | synamptic is just a frontend |
| 05:56.13 | Mark- | same database/functions behind the scenes |
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| 05:56.22 | ice_1963 | well install Debian and that will be it |
| 05:56.32 | BlueFish | Hi I have a question about SSH |
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| 05:56.37 | markybob | !ask |
| 05:56.37 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 05:56.38 | jayr168 | what do you mean by front end? |
| 05:57.00 | AlienX | jayr168, it's a GUI for the command line client |
| 05:57.03 | Mark- | basically a front end is a prettier, easier to use interface |
| 05:57.07 | BlueFish | a friend of mine accessed his computer (Debian) using SSH |
| 05:57.21 | BlueFish | it was a command line shell. |
| 05:57.23 | AlienX | BlueFish, you still haven't asked a question |
| 05:57.25 | crimson | user friendly jay |
| 05:57.32 | BlueFish | I was wondering how to set it up |
| 05:57.34 | markybob | !enter |
| 05:57.34 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 05:57.42 | AlienX | !ssh |
| 05:57.43 | dpkg | it has been said that ssh is Secure SHell, the ssh package in Debian is Portable OpenSSH (www.openssh.org) or for windows clients ask me about putty, or for mac clients ask me about niftytelnet or MacSSH. It's _unwise_ to enable both RSA and pasword authentication. Ask me about rsa, or ask about winscp for a GUI SCP client, or check out http://www.sf.net/projects/shellter for an iptables-based firewall with built-in ssh brute force protection |
| 05:57.45 | CompWizrd | Uptime 49.708 days (since Mon Jan 23 07:58:27 2006) |
| 05:57.51 | CompWizrd | uh, i just rebooted that |
| 05:58.03 | Mark- | rofl |
| 05:58.12 | Mark- | alright |
| 05:58.18 | Mark- | but it actually reports an uptime? |
| 05:58.18 | BlueFish | thankyou |
| 05:58.21 | CompWizrd | sec, trying it with nmap from sarge |
| 05:58.29 | CompWizrd | i've found nmap 4 to be very.. flaky. |
| 05:58.30 | markybob | BlueFish, apt-get install ssh. it'll ask if you want to run the server. select yes |
| 05:58.39 | chealer | BlueFish: define "set it up". |
| 05:58.43 | CompWizrd | 49.708 is somewhat reasonable though.. 49.7 day wraparound :) |
| 05:58.53 | CompWizrd | says the same thing on sarge's nmap |
| 05:58.58 | CompWizrd | lemme go see what 100 hz does |
| 05:59.05 | Mark- | i figured it out |
| 05:59.05 | AlienX | BlueFish, usually, ssh is installed when you install the system. try apt-get ssh and see if you have it |
| 05:59.11 | Mark- | ill pm |
| 05:59.14 | CompWizrd | ok |
| 05:59.34 | AlienX | BlueFish, err apt-get install ssh |
| 05:59.42 | chealer | CompWizrd: a mini power outage (as usual) rebooted my sarge at the beginning of march. it was up since just before 2006 :) |
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| 06:00.23 | crimson | i wonder if it was a good idea to snap all my windows cds |
| 06:00.39 | AlienX | crimson, usually :) |
| 06:00.42 | wireddd | yeah all of my stable systems only go down, if I turn them off to change the hardware or if the power goes out |
| 06:01.26 | dvsdude | hey all i am trying to install yosemite tapeware on a debian box with no luck it needs to do uname -p which is not an option in uname on debian stable |
| 06:01.26 | chealer | wireddd: you don't care about kernel updates? |
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| 06:01.40 | dvsdude | is there a way around this |
| 06:01.48 | crimson | i snapped them so i would have to learn linux |
| 06:02.18 | Mark- | CompWizrd: now the real question is whether or not revealing uptime is a dangerous thing or not |
| 06:02.25 | karsten | Thinkpad T21, battery charge is stuck at 42%. LiIon battery. Any idea why this would be or how to overcome? Used laptop purchased in the past week. |
| 06:02.27 | AlienX | crimson, then you'll learn linux. That's more or less what I did in 1998, needless to say, I learned linux :) |
| 06:02.43 | wireddd | chealer, I do, but I don't update the kernel all that frequently on anything except my router |
| 06:03.09 | Mark- | karsten: they always recommend calibrating by turning off powersaving shit and letting the system run the battery down to nothing |
| 06:03.11 | karsten | crimson: Installing Linux on a box and using it 24/7 for at least a week should get you over the hump. Debian, Ubuntu, or Kubuntu are good starter choices. |
| 06:03.21 | Mark- | karsten: otherwise, the battery might be trash |
| 06:03.21 | karsten | Mark-: OK, I'll try that. |
| 06:03.27 | CompWizrd | karsten: the t21 if that's the original battery is from.. hmm.. my t23 is from 1999 or something like that.. if it's original battery, it's long beyond the SHOT stage |
| 06:03.29 | chealer | wireddd: I didn't say that kernel security updates were frequent, just that they...are supposed to...happen :S |
| 06:03.29 | crimson | i am using unbuntu now |
| 06:03.30 | karsten | Mark-: ... what powersaving stuff? |
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| 06:03.43 | CompWizrd | but i did do a full power down to nothing left a few times on the t23 to get it calibrated decently |
| 06:03.47 | CompWizrd | so try that |
| 06:03.47 | crimson | took me like 30min to get wireless nic running |
| 06:03.49 | AlienX | crimson, read the topic :) |
| 06:03.49 | Mark- | karsten: hmm, speedstep, acpi, sleep/hibernate |
| 06:03.55 | Mark- | karsten: those types of things |
| 06:04.02 | karsten | CompWizrd: Any idea how to check that from markings? It's been OK until yesterday. |
| 06:04.10 | karsten | Mark-: How would I disable acpi? |
| 06:04.25 | CompWizrd | karsten: my laptop is at work, or i'd be able tell you.. but there's info in /proc/acpi/BAT0 or something liek that |
| 06:04.30 | karsten | Mark-: ...and should I just do a "halt" w/o shutdown to idle everything and let it power out? |
| 06:04.31 | CompWizrd | some status and info files you can look at |
| 06:04.39 | CompWizrd | that will tell you the maximum charge, and the design capacity and all that |
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| 06:04.54 | crimson | i am just here to get info on other distros |
| 06:05.02 | CompWizrd | and i _think_ the number of power cycles too |
| 06:05.03 | Mark- | karsten: if you dont have any acpi stuff programmed, then it wont do anything |
| 06:05.06 | crimson | and general chat |
| 06:05.23 | Mark- | karsten: just stop acpid if its running, and just let it sit at login/shell |
| 06:05.32 | dvsdude | hey all i am trying to install yosemite tapeware on a debian box with no luck it needs to do uname -p which is not an option in uname on debian stable is there a way around this i notice that unstable has this uname-p option |
| 06:05.32 | AlienX | crimson, honestly, for new linux users, I think a distro like mandriva is the way to go. That's just me though. |
| 06:05.41 | Mark- | karsten: trying to find a good google link on li-ion calibrationb |
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| 06:05.42 | karsten | Mark-: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2069 |
| 06:05.45 | karsten | CompWizrd: ^^ |
| 06:06.05 | CompWizrd | was there another group of files? |
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| 06:06.18 | CompWizrd | those batteries were.. i think 42 mWh's when new. or something similar |
| 06:06.35 | AlienX | crimson, but if you can get debian setup the way you like it, you won't be disappointed. |
| 06:06.49 | karsten | WTF is /proc/acpi/dsdt? |
| 06:06.57 | Mark- | http://www.warning9.com/mylife/?p=46 |
| 06:07.12 | Mark- | karsten: thats a system specific function table for acpi functions |
| 06:07.27 | Mark- | karsten: like hotkeys, events, its quite complicated and its in its own programming language |
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| 06:07.33 | CompWizrd | i have an ancient a21m i use for a putty terminal, and it goes from 60% battery to 6% battery in about 3 minutes, after smoothly going from 100 to 60.. very strange |
| 06:07.38 | Mark- | karsten: im no acpi guru, that shit is complex and hardly any manuf. does it correctly |
| 06:07.49 | Ashex | does anyone here have experience creating a repository on a network to install to multiple computers? |
| 06:08.00 | karsten | CompWizrd: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2070 |
| 06:08.07 | karsten | CompWizrd: ... /proc/acpi tree |
| 06:08.14 | CompWizrd | oh, and the ultimate boot cd(www.ubcd.com) has one of the boot options to run prime95.. which would be a VERY quick power drain method. |
| 06:08.23 | karsten | Mark-: Well, it's IBM, they tend to be pretty good. |
| 06:08.28 | Mark- | ah |
| 06:08.30 | Mark- | It is essential that the battery is periodically run down to the point where |
| 06:08.30 | Mark- | the laptop cuts off. The laptop signals this cutoff and its believed charge |
| 06:08.30 | Mark- | state back to the battery. This serves to calibrate the battery's charge |
| 06:08.30 | Mark- | monitor circuit, after which the laptop will correctly indicate the |
| 06:08.31 | Mark- | battery's state of charge - at least for a while. How often you need to do |
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| 06:08.37 | karsten | !tell Ashex about apt-proxy |
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| 06:08.58 | CompWizrd | yeah, what does /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/info say? |
| 06:09.08 | Ashex | heh |
| 06:09.10 | Ashex | that's the catch |
| 06:09.20 | Ashex | I'm hosting the repository in windows |
| 06:09.33 | CompWizrd | erm, not ubcd.com, heh.. www.ultimatebootcd.com |
| 06:10.17 | karsten | CompWizrd: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2071 |
| 06:10.34 | CompWizrd | yeah, the battery is shot.. see the 16380 last full capacity? |
| 06:10.44 | karsten | CompWizrd: 38880 mWh design, last full 16380 |
| 06:10.59 | CompWizrd | yeah.. 38.8kwh must be what the t20/t21/t22 had |
| 06:10.59 | Mark- | well |
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| 06:11.13 | CompWizrd | lithium ion's have a fair amount of "smarts" built into the battery |
| 06:11.15 | Mark- | only real chance is to drain it completely and immediately recharge it |
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| 06:11.22 | Mark- | yea they have all sorts of complex charge circuits |
| 06:11.27 | karsten | CompWizrd: Curiously enough, 16380/38880 == 42% |
| 06:11.34 | CompWizrd | you can recalibrate it and at least it'd know that 50% of that would be 8190 kWh, instead of what it thinks now |
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| 06:11.51 | Mark- | basically if you let it run down all the way |
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| 06:11.55 | CompWizrd | yeah, it doesn't seem to know for some reason what the real new capacity is |
| 06:11.56 | karsten | Mark-: In process. |
| 06:11.58 | Mark- | the laptop will tell the battery 'hey your empty' |
| 06:12.01 | karsten | Mark-: So fully flat? |
| 06:12.04 | Mark- | and it might kick the battery in the fast |
| 06:12.08 | omi | IIRC, there was debian-enterprise project, what has happened to it? |
| 06:12.10 | Mark- | karsten: until the notebook turns off by itself |
| 06:12.15 | karsten | Mark-: OK. |
| 06:12.31 | Mark- | karsten: as soon as it dies, hook it back up |
| 06:12.33 | Mark- | karsten: to ac |
| 06:12.48 | CompWizrd | for a battery of that age, 16380 isn't toooo horrible |
| 06:12.52 | Mark- | karsten: if you keep trying to turn it back on or let it sit and internal discharge, it might kill the battery |
| 06:13.01 | CompWizrd | just means it's only going to go for an hour or so depending on load |
| 06:13.02 | karsten | Mark-: OK. |
| 06:13.03 | Mark- | karsten: so just kill and revive |
| 06:13.03 | michael117 | what directory is .xinitrc supposed to be in? |
| 06:13.12 | karsten | Mark-: Looks like I might just have to buy a new one. |
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| 06:13.24 | karsten | Mark-: ... might use some of the remaining life investigating that option ;-) |
| 06:13.30 | Mark- | karsten: hehe |
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| 06:13.40 | signature16 | how do i restart sshd? |
| 06:13.51 | Mark- | signature16: /etc/init.d/sshd restart |
| 06:13.57 | CompWizrd | karsten: there's lots of them on ebay, oddly enough, the ones with "oem" cells might be what you want.. they're new cells inside, a lot of "never been opened, geniune IBM battery" have been sitting on the shelf degrading for 5 years |
| 06:14.17 | signature16 | Mark-: thats whati thougth but im connect through ssh but there is nothing in that location? |
| 06:14.19 | karsten | CompWizrd: Hrm. |
| 06:14.28 | CompWizrd | Mark-: here's a fun one. |
| 06:14.31 | CompWizrd | Uptime 497.100 days (since Mon Nov 1 22:50:00 2004) |
| 06:14.36 | Mark- | signature16: my bad /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 06:14.38 | CompWizrd | that's with 100ms |
| 06:14.41 | Mark- | ah |
| 06:14.44 | CompWizrd | 100hz, rather |
| 06:14.52 | Mark- | so the resolution is a factor of the max uptime displayable |
| 06:14.56 | Mark- | 49 days vs 497 days |
| 06:15.01 | CompWizrd | apparently |
| 06:15.07 | CompWizrd | both of them wrong too :) |
| 06:15.30 | michael117 | Which directory can .xinitrc be found in? |
| 06:15.32 | Mark- | 1khz = 1ms then the timestamp field is an unsigned int32 |
| 06:15.36 | CompWizrd | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:16.04 | Mark- | itll roll back to 0 soon |
| 06:16.08 | CompWizrd | but it gets the uptime right on 2.4.32 |
| 06:16.12 | Mark- | yea |
| 06:16.15 | Mark- | must make some guesses |
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| 06:16.37 | CompWizrd | so in 20 days it should say 697 days or 69.7 days |
| 06:16.40 | liable | michael117: /home/user |
| 06:16.41 | CompWizrd | which i will not remember to check |
| 06:16.43 | CompWizrd | so there we go |
| 06:16.50 | Mark- | comp |
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| 06:17.02 | Mark- | unsigned 32 bit integers go up to about 4 billion |
| 06:17.21 | CompWizrd | yeah.. the reason i remember 49.7 days |
| 06:17.34 | CompWizrd | is windows 95 had a 49.7 day overtime problem |
| 06:17.40 | CompWizrd | where it'd freeze up and roll over and die. |
| 06:17.51 | Mark- | well |
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| 06:18.07 | Mark- | 4 billion / 1000 (ms in seconds) / 3600 / 24 = 49.7 |
| 06:18.11 | CompWizrd | yup |
| 06:18.21 | CompWizrd | so why doesn't it understand 250? |
| 06:18.30 | CompWizrd | or some random number? |
| 06:18.33 | Mark- | the people who wrote nmap guess the frequency |
| 06:18.37 | CompWizrd | (didn't the 2.6 used to let you do that?) |
| 06:18.38 | Mark- | by the timing of the packets |
| 06:18.51 | Mark- | and they only wrote code to lump it into either 100hz or 1000hz |
| 06:19.09 | Mark- | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:19.13 | CompWizrd | so there you go, you can submit a patch :) |
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| 06:19.20 | Mark- | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:19.21 | CompWizrd | i'll be sleeping :) |
| 06:19.21 | Mark- | lol |
| 06:19.26 | Mark- | night man, and thanks gain |
| 06:19.30 | CompWizrd | no problem |
| 06:19.36 | CompWizrd | i should remember to put this back to 250, heh. |
| 06:19.45 | Mark- | is it a desktop or a server? |
| 06:19.50 | CompWizrd | i get to play on a dual opteron 265 tomorrow, that would have been a bit quicker |
| 06:19.51 | CompWizrd | desktop |
| 06:19.53 | Mark- | ah |
| 06:19.57 | Mark- | then 1khz is probably better |
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| 06:20.42 | CompWizrd | ah, i never notice much difference anyways |
| 06:20.42 | Stevie | a dual opteron would rule |
| 06:20.42 | Mark- | yea |
| 06:20.42 | CompWizrd | i'll leave it on 100 and see what happens |
| 06:20.42 | Mark- | i think its very subjective |
| 06:20.42 | CompWizrd | if i even remember playing with it |
| 06:20.43 | CompWizrd | Stevie: espeically when the rest of the system is 4.2 TB of disk :) |
| 06:21.03 | CompWizrd | the price difference between an opteron 246 and a 265 became almost nothing overnight when amd dropped the opteron prices to a third. |
| 06:21.11 | CompWizrd | so it wasn't hard to decide to change that spec |
| 06:21.49 | Stevie | CompWizrd: sweet. |
| 06:22.03 | Stevie | I can't believe people would actually buy an FX-55 |
| 06:22.10 | Mark- | we have a server with dual dual core ht xeons |
| 06:22.12 | Stevie | dropping a grand just for the freaking proc |
| 06:22.20 | Mark- | so 8 virtual processors |
| 06:22.21 | Mark- | 12gb of memory |
| 06:22.31 | Mark- | too bad its ruined by redhat |
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| 06:22.31 | Mark- | :( |
| 06:22.33 | CompWizrd | Total of 2 processors activated (36292.02 BogoMIPS). |
| 06:22.37 | CompWizrd | i see my bogomips is fubar'd up again. |
| 06:22.39 | Mark- | id rather have the opterons ;p |
| 06:23.01 | CompWizrd | Calibrating delay using timer specific routine.. 6421.59 BogoMIPS (lpj=32107988) |
| 06:23.01 | CompWizrd | Calibrating delay using timer specific routine.. 29870.42 BogoMIPS (lpj=149352137) |
| 06:23.03 | CompWizrd | actually, that's really odd. |
| 06:23.19 | Mark- | bogus really |
| 06:23.19 | Mark- | ;p |
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| 06:23.29 | CompWizrd | normally they're balanced(it's a p4/3.2) |
| 06:23.49 | Stevie | Welcome to your new Debian system! |
| 06:23.49 | Stevie | that's right |
| 06:23.50 | Mark- | Total of 8 processors activated (44531.71 BogoMIPS). |
| 06:23.54 | Stevie | I am KING baby |
| 06:23.56 | Mark- | yours seems pretty normal |
| 06:23.59 | Stevie | I have installed Debian! |
| 06:24.01 | CompWizrd | i only have ONE and it's almost as bogus! |
| 06:24.10 | Mark- | yea well |
| 06:24.12 | Mark- | technically i only have 2 |
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| 06:24.18 | Mark- | dual core, with ht |
| 06:24.23 | CompWizrd | i'll find out tomorrow what an opteron 265 claims :) |
| 06:24.26 | Mark- | hehe |
| 06:24.45 | CompWizrd | i almost stayed late tonight just to play with the new parts that i've waited for two weeks for |
| 06:24.55 | ice_1963 | lol |
| 06:25.00 | CompWizrd | hey, my bogomips are so bogus, rebooting got them back to 6.4k |
| 06:25.01 | Mark- | ive been 'promised' a dual 242 workstation for a long time |
| 06:25.14 | Mark- | im not holding my breath |
| 06:25.18 | michael117 | Can anyone help me get fluxbox working? |
| 06:25.41 | CompWizrd | yeah, it's back to 6421 on both "cores" now |
| 06:25.48 | litage | if /dev/dsp and /dev/audio don't exist and you're running 2.6.15 and alsa, how can you determine which audio device is being used? |
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| 06:26.29 | Mark- | alsaconfig maybe? |
| 06:26.32 | liable | mirrors still broken? |
| 06:26.57 | liable | litage: is the oss module loaded? |
| 06:27.04 | cahoot | litage: alsa aware apps don't use /dev nodes - they use libasound |
| 06:27.07 | Stevie | liable: I'm sorry; it's my fault -- I looked into the mirrors and they shattered |
| 06:27.21 | karsten | michael117: dotfiles are almost *always* in $HOME> |
| 06:27.55 | karsten | !tell michael117 about smart questions |
| 06:28.13 | karsten | michael117: Describe your problem. Post detailed input and output to paster. /msg dpkg paster. |
| 06:28.45 | liable | great, now aptitude is stalling on headers.. |
| 06:28.52 | deadcat | karsten: were you there on sat? nice box. i was gonna take it home |
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| 06:29.14 | CompWizrd | Mark-: i want to see how many k/s john the ripper does on NT lanman on a dual 265 ;) |
| 06:29.17 | karsten | deadcat: Nope. |
| 06:29.19 | litage | liable: oss isn't loaded |
| 06:29.26 | karsten | deadcat: Don't make me have to kill you. |
| 06:29.33 | liable | litage: modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 06:29.33 | Mark- | well |
| 06:29.42 | Mark- | you know its a bad situation when you have to overclock your work computer |
| 06:29.50 | Mark- | ive got an xp 1700+ |
| 06:29.55 | Mark- | running 9.5x200 |
| 06:29.56 | Mark- | >< |
| 06:29.59 | deadcat | karsten: whats the speed on that thing and where did you get it? hostap driver wireless? |
| 06:30.09 | litage | liable: why should the oss module be loaded if i'm using alsa? |
| 06:30.10 | karsten | deadcat: http://www.cappuccinopc.com |
| 06:30.24 | liable | litage: its an oss emulation module.. |
| 06:30.25 | deadcat | site down |
| 06:30.33 | deadcat | ms ole db error hehe |
| 06:30.34 | litage | ah |
| 06:30.35 | cahoot | litage: snd-pccm-oss is for alsas oss-emulation i e /dev/dsp |
| 06:30.52 | Defty | would 2d become faster if DRI was enabled? |
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| 06:31.09 | Mark- | yes |
| 06:31.16 | karsten | deadcat: Works for me. |
| 06:31.17 | Mark- | any drawing is faster with dri |
| 06:31.31 | CompWizrd | well, i'm going to put my brain in sleep mode, and tell it to defragment and backup my data storage.. hopefully the damn dog won't generate too many NMI's at 7 in the morning again.. i haven't found his snooze button yet |
| 06:31.41 | deadcat | let me use firefox then |
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| 06:32.00 | liable | yay, 24M freed. that doesnt happen often. |
| 06:32.04 | karsten | deadcat: http://www.cappuccinopc.com/mochae7042b.asp |
| 06:32.10 | Defty | Mark-: ok thanks.. just wondering if that'd be why for example pdfs are so slow.. of course depends on the doc too |
| 06:32.34 | karsten | deadcat: Two gripes: it's loud and hot. |
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| 06:32.46 | deadcat | karsten: ya.. it was hot. |
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| 06:32.59 | Mark- | In computing, the Direct Rendering Infrastructure (DRI) is an interface used in the X Window System to securely allow user applications to access the video hardware without requiring data to be passed through the X Server. |
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| 06:33.15 | deadcat | karsten: now you know what i want for my birthday (= |
| 06:33.22 | karsten | deadcat: I'd rather get something like a Dell OptiPlex (quiet, smaller than standard desktop) or one of the handhelds out these days: Zaurus, Ogo, etc. |
| 06:33.43 | karsten | deadcat: Some hot black box? |
| 06:33.49 | deadcat | karsten: why not mac mini dual core? |
| 06:33.56 | Mark- | Defty: well GLX is preferred over DRI |
| 06:33.58 | deadcat | karsten: ross got one. |
| 06:34.00 | karsten | deadcat: Sure. |
| 06:34.14 | karsten | deadcat: _Dual_ core mini? |
| 06:34.17 | karsten | deadcat: Hrm. |
| 06:34.21 | deadcat | ya |
| 06:34.27 | karsten | deadcat: Nice price point, quiet, cool. |
| 06:34.34 | karsten | deadcat: Put Debian PPC on that. |
| 06:34.37 | deadcat | ya |
| 06:34.58 | michael117 | karsten: I have debian running on a remote machine that I connect to by ssh and tightvnc and would like to install fluxbox because it is lightweight and not bloated. I have gone in aptitude and installed the fluxbox package and try to run flux, but it doesn't seem to want to start: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 06:34.59 | deadcat | and soon the extreme card driver will work well. |
| 06:35.01 | michael117 | oops |
| 06:35.02 | karsten | OK, gotta hit the road, really, and wind this puppy down. |
| 06:35.13 | michael117 | http://pastebin.com/600073 |
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| 06:35.21 | Defty | Mark-: you mean it's the default? or how preferred |
| 06:35.37 | karsten | michael117: pastebin's refusing connection. |
| 06:35.58 | karsten | michael117: Use channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 06:36.45 | litage | thanks liable and cahoot |
| 06:36.49 | dominicano | clear |
| 06:37.13 | michael117 | karsten: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2072 |
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| 06:37.51 | Acidz0r | anyone knows how can i mount sysfs? |
| 06:37.52 | karsten | michael117: This is remote fluxbox? |
| 06:38.01 | michael117 | yes |
| 06:38.03 | karsten | michael117: You trying to forward an X session? |
| 06:38.05 | Stevie | mount sysfs /wherever -t sysfs |
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| 06:38.19 | karsten | michael117: Are you running a managed X server locally? |
| 06:38.26 | karsten | michael117: ...and how are you trying to forward this? |
| 06:38.34 | karsten | !tell michael117 about sshx |
| 06:39.02 | michael117 | karsten: I have x working on the remote machine and would like to host it there but connect with tightvnc |
| 06:39.22 | karsten | michael117: What's value of $DISPLAY remotely? If you're alreadly running a local windowmanager, you can't run another one remotely. Um. Tightvnc doesn't generally work that way. |
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| 06:40.13 | karsten | michael117: There's a tightvnc config file you can specify your environment with if you really must do things that way. In generally I'd recommend you *NOT* do that. Too much overhead, *way* unnecessary. You can forward remote X apps singly over an SSH tunnel as needed. |
| 06:40.35 | karsten | michael117: And I've got to split. You're stumbling on fundamentals here, nothing to do with fluxbox AFAICT. |
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| 06:42.16 | sussudio_ | !tell karsten about away |
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| 06:42.29 | michael117 | haha |
| 06:43.42 | Stevie | voila: http://klozoff.ms11.net/pictures/debian-uml-installed.png |
| 06:45.18 | michael117 | Is xfce more of a lightweight environment than gnome? |
| 06:45.31 | ice_1963 | yes |
| 06:45.55 | ice_1963 | and better |
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| 06:46.35 | helter | does anybody recommend a good sci-fi book? |
| 06:47.05 | litage | helter: Dune |
| 06:47.12 | Stevie | wait |
| 06:47.14 | helter | ive seen the film |
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| 06:47.23 | Stevie | what ISN'T more of a lightweight environment than gnome? |
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| 06:48.00 | litage | helter: doesn't matter. the book is wayyy better than the movie |
| 06:48.04 | jayr168 | how do I allow a group to read write a file using chmod? |
| 06:48.10 | Slerdged | i i need elp installing 31r0a-amd64 on my ausu a8n-vm |
| 06:48.16 | helter | ok. I might give it a try |
| 06:48.26 | helter | I have a 12 hour flight |
| 06:48.29 | jayr168 | the file name is /mnt/docs |
| 06:48.30 | helter | this week |
| 06:48.38 | helter | so I was looking for a good piece of reading |
| 06:48.40 | liable | jayr168: x6x |
| 06:48.52 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 06:48.52 | dpkg | rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 06:49.19 | michael117 | Which environment would be best over vnc? |
| 06:49.26 | jayr168 | i mean I dont know the full syntax, is it chmod -fv g=x6x /mnt/docs? |
| 06:49.41 | liable | michael117: doesnt matter, depends on the connection speed. |
| 06:50.15 | Stevie | For the absolute best performance, ssh. |
| 06:50.24 | Stevie | and screen. |
| 06:50.24 | signature16 | to have something startup during runlevel 2 do i just make a symbolic link from /etc/init.d to /etc/rc2.d ? |
| 06:50.28 | jayr168 | guys? |
| 06:50.31 | liable | jayr168: man chmod and also man chgrp.. http://www.zzee.com/solutions/chmod-help.shtml |
| 06:51.30 | jm_ | signature16: yes, '/msg dpkg services' for info on tools that can do this |
| 06:51.37 | michael117 | what command do you use to start xfce? |
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| 06:53.06 | ice_1963 | startx |
| 06:53.09 | signature16 | jm_ would making a sym link work? or did i just mess somethign up? |
| 06:53.22 | Slerdged | need help installing 31r0a-amd64 on my ausu a8n-vm docs not populated the dvd |
| 06:53.26 | liable | startxfce4 |
| 06:53.57 | jm_ | signature16: yes it would, I am just saying there are tools that will make it easier |
| 06:54.55 | ice_1963 | i never used that one |
| 06:55.09 | jayr168 | how do I allow a group to read/write to a folder in debian 3.1? |
| 06:56.23 | peterS | jayr168: chgrp yourgroupname yourfoldername; chmod g+w yourfoldername |
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| 06:57.00 | peterS | jayr168: and for best results, possibly also chmog g+s, which means that newly created files within the folder will belong to the same group automatically |
| 06:57.09 | peterS | chmod, that is, not chmog |
| 06:57.13 | inken | Hey all |
| 06:57.29 | Shadda` | sigh, any of you know what codec I need for mp3s? Trying to use mplayer and its bitching that it can't find the proper codec, and the guys in #mplayer aren't answering |
| 06:57.49 | unix_infidel | Shadda`: you shouldnt need a codec. |
| 06:57.49 | liable | Shadda`: libmad0 |
| 06:58.02 | unix_infidel | or rather.... |
| 06:58.09 | unix_infidel | mplayer played mp3s for me rightoutta the box. |
| 06:58.22 | Shadda` | unix_infidel, says it should, I thought it was weird too |
| 06:58.24 | Shadda` | liable thanks |
| 06:58.37 | Shadda` | Audio LAVC, couldn't find encoder for codec mp3 |
| 06:58.37 | Shadda` | Exiting... |
| 06:58.40 | Shadda` | I get that |
| 06:59.04 | inken | I am using debian since a couple of days and now got a question, maybe one of you is able to help. Are there any more fonts (and if yes, where to find them) for the normal Shell-Konsole than those which are installed in the original version? |
| 06:59.22 | unix_infidel | inken: apt-cache search ttf |
| 06:59.22 | liable | Shadda`: if you are ripping, you prolly want lame. |
| 06:59.34 | unix_infidel | if you are ripping and encoding. |
| 06:59.39 | Shadda` | liable, not ripping, trying to convert avi/mpeg/etc to .flv |
| 06:59.44 | peterS | Shadda`: oh, *encoder*. debian can't ship MP3 encoders because we don't have a patent license. I don't know if any mp3 encoders are configured to work with mencoder |
| 07:00.03 | Shadda` | ah |
| 07:00.05 | Slerdged | install dvd can't find my sata drive what kernel or kernal & moduls do i need to load manually |
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| 07:01.43 | jayr168 | how to include all changing the permissions off all sub folders? |
| 07:01.56 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 07:01.56 | dpkg | it has been said that qotd79 is <Overfiend> I think I want to fork GCC. Any time a compiler warning or error would be spewed, my version would just say: gcc: something wrong d00d |
| 07:02.09 | jm_ | man chmod, but beware, it applies to files and dirs if not told otherwise |
| 07:02.17 | tarzeau | Overfiend: heh |
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| 07:03.53 | gpm | hey guys, what do i need to install to get mkfs.vfat (i have modprobe'd vfat)? |
| 07:04.04 | tarzeau | gpm: dosfstools or so |
| 07:04.04 | peterS | gpm: dosfstools |
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| 07:04.15 | gpm | danke |
| 07:04.16 | jm_ | !tell gpm -about search |
| 07:04.21 | tarzeau | gpm: you can use packages.debian.org to find such things out |
| 07:04.34 | gpm | jm_: i did apt-cache search vfat...guess i tried the wrong term. but thanks :( |
| 07:04.39 | gpm | tarzeau: doh |
| 07:04.49 | gpm | ok ok |
| 07:04.53 | gpm | i'm an idiot |
| 07:04.54 | jm_ | gpm: apt-cache doesn't search for filenames, that's why dpkg told you about it |
| 07:05.05 | gpm | by dpkg, you mean you |
| 07:05.16 | gpm | nm |
| 07:05.20 | gpm | now i look really dumb |
| 07:05.24 | jm_ | well I asked dpkg to do it ;) |
| 07:05.25 | gpm | time to quit while i'm ahead |
| 07:05.34 | peterS | hehe |
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| 07:07.46 | Slerdged | can any one help me sort out sata detection on debian-31r0a-amd64 inst ? |
| 07:07.46 | jm_ | peterS: one question regarding mice in 2.6 - should serial mouse also work via /dev/input/mice in 2.6 using ExplorerPS/2 protocol? |
| 07:08.02 | jm_ | Slerdged: it's likely you need a new kernel if it failed to detect your SATA controller |
| 07:08.06 | peterS | jm_: yes, with the 'sermouse' kernel module. at least, common serial mouse types are supported by that module |
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| 07:08.17 | unix_infidel | does mplayer support playing vcds? |
| 07:08.28 | liable | unix_infidel: yep |
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| 07:08.33 | jm_ | peterS: ok thanks, because I told him to do it this eay but he said gpm and X didn't work, but it worked with ttyS0 and ms protocol, pretty weird |
| 07:08.33 | floppyears | how can I mount and unmount an usb thumbdrive in ubuntu ? |
| 07:08.38 | jm_ | way* |
| 07:08.50 | floppyears | er, I mean debian |
| 07:09.00 | liable | heh, suuuure.. |
| 07:09.07 | jm_ | peterS: ohh maybe he didn't have the module loaded, that may be it |
| 07:09.16 | Slerdged | i'll check if anyother kernels exist on the instll dvd |
| 07:09.24 | peterS | jm_: right, 'ms' protocol certainly should be supported by the sermouse module. but I don't know offhand whether that module needs parameters for things like 'what devices should it probe' |
| 07:09.42 | liable | Slerdged: try #debian-amd64, they may be able to shed more light on the matter |
| 07:09.48 | dondelelcaro | floppyears: plug in usb device, check dmesg to see what device it is, and mount it. |
| 07:10.02 | jm_ | floppyears: or use usbmount |
| 07:10.09 | dondelelcaro | floppyears: if necessary, load the proper kernel modules (usbfs, sd, etc.) |
| 07:10.18 | floppyears | dondelelcaro: it's a sandisk |
| 07:10.39 | dondelelcaro | floppyears: if it's a usb drive, it's all the same. |
| 07:10.50 | floppyears | is there a graphical way of doing it ? I'm doing this not for me, but for somebody else who uses this computer |
| 07:10.53 | peterS | jm_: hmmmm, interesting, sermouse doesn't take any parameters at all. I haven't tried it recently so I wasn't sure. |
| 07:11.11 | jm_ | peterS: me neither, although I still have old Logitech serial mouse at home |
| 07:11.20 | dondelelcaro | floppyears: you're using ubuntu; they have their own method, and #ubuntu knows about it. |
| 07:11.35 | peterS | jm_: yeah, I've got one or two serial mice sitting around somewhere but I haven't used them in a very long time |
| 07:12.02 | floppyears | dondelelcaro: I'm using debian unstable |
| 07:12.21 | floppyears | I would use ubuntu, but I don't have the time, nor need to reinstall my os |
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| 07:12.30 | floppyears | that's why I've been using debian for 4+ years :) |
| 07:13.04 | unix_infidel | no time to use ubuntu? |
| 07:13.33 | dondelelcaro | floppyears: hal and gnome have automounters, but I've never bothered with them. Someone else may know. |
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| 07:13.36 | peterS | unix_infidel: no time to install it, I guess he means |
| 07:13.45 | liable | floppyears: gnome has the automagic mounting shits. |
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| 07:14.15 | liable | floppyears: but usnmount works fine too. |
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| 07:14.37 | floppyears | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 07:14.59 | Cyis | anyone have Treo 650? Looking to make sure I can sync with it |
| 07:15.12 | unix_infidel | hmm, has there ever been an education channel created on freenode, for instance having a scheduled lecturer come in once a week on a polled topic of interest and speak in a channel full of people with 3-5 voiced people asking smart questions? |
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| 07:15.56 | unix_infidel | seems more productive than trying to learn in IRC just based on whatever comes up and seems more interesting than reading how-to's off tldp and |
| 07:16.06 | kevix | unix_infidel: sounds like a lug |
| 07:16.28 | dondelelcaro | unix_infidel: every know and then there are informal talks around, but not a specific channel. Set it up and get lecturers. |
| 07:16.30 | unix_infidel | kevix: never been to a LUG meeting, but this is a broader forum. |
| 07:17.17 | unix_infidel | more candidates with broader levels of experience and qualifications. |
| 07:18.18 | unix_infidel | Right, but sitting here in IRC waiting for someone to point out a caveat with a specific piece of software is time consuming, this way, the channel logs the conversation and and it gets posted somewhere, and if there are any questions that a normal person would like answered (eg msg board / forum style) |
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| 07:20.25 | skullsoup | can anyone spare the time to help me disable the double tap on a laptop? |
| 07:20.32 | dondelelcaro | unix_infidel: sure, it's been done, but rarely. |
| 07:20.43 | kevix | unix_infidel: some lugs like one near me make video available of meeting. |
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| 07:21.29 | skullsoup | i have tried "tpconfig --tapmode=0" |
| 07:21.35 | liable | is it just my fonts that firefox seems to be screwing lately? |
| 07:21.47 | weasel00 | crazy lug attendee == lug-nut? |
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| 07:26.30 | unix_infidel | Merely a proposition, nerds and IT professionals are busy kids, getting organized isnt something we do readily / easily, unless its for a LAN party (with free beer and food, of course) |
| 07:27.29 | Shadda` | who said lan party |
| 07:27.29 | Shadda` | where |
| 07:27.35 | Shadda` | free beer |
| 07:27.37 | Shadda` | ?? |
| 07:27.50 | kevix | unix_infidel: so propose a #linux-lecture and ask folks to propose speakers and topics |
| 07:28.03 | Shadda` | oh...false alarm |
| 07:29.07 | unix_infidel | kevix: requires sufficient contacts and experience in IT. |
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| 07:30.34 | unix_infidel | eg: rasterman signs up for an hour and talks about how to setup E17 on a box. 3-5 moderately competent *nix users ask questions...and discussion carries on for however long as more and more people get voiced. |
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| 07:32.13 | kevix | unix_infidel: in the floss world and virtual works, folks will do stuff if asked. you simply email and they say yes or no. its not like getting bill gates to speak. |
| 07:33.10 | kevix | unix_infidel: our local lug as RMS to speak and he did. |
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| 07:33.39 | mylastmorning | can someone recommend a good window manager for debian? |
| 07:33.45 | unix_infidel | Hmm, i suppose i should shoot lilo and email and see if he'll undertake the project he's got a wide range of contacts and would muster up a good turnout (ideally) |
| 07:33.57 | kevix | unix_infidel: a debian devel was in town, I ask him to speak. he did. |
| 07:33.57 | mylastmorning | I've been thinking about using FVWM |
| 07:33.57 | dn4 | I have a video card that supports s-video out, and I have that going into a RF modulator for an older Tv and right now it does not seem to work, any ideas? |
| 07:34.01 | |syneus| | mylastmorning: xfce? |
| 07:34.13 | jetscreamer | enable the tv out in xorg.conf |
| 07:34.39 | mylastmorning | |syneus| would you recommend that for new debian users? |
| 07:34.43 | unix_infidel | mylastmorning: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Window_manager |
| 07:34.43 | kevix | mylastmorning: what are your requirements? if you install x-window-system, you get twm, which is a great basic wm. |
| 07:34.54 | jetscreamer | -_- |
| 07:35.07 | jetscreamer | cept you have to hold the mouse button |
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| 07:35.53 | kevix | dn4: did you set the tv to the right channel? |
| 07:35.57 | dn4 | yes |
| 07:36.09 | dn4 | I also have the nvidia glx installed |
| 07:36.12 | mylastmorning | kevix I am trying to get something that I can make a nice little gui with everything at a click of the mouse such as gnome... |
| 07:36.26 | kevix | dn4: did you try it with any other video sources? like a vcr or camera? |
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| 07:36.49 | |syneus| | mylastmorning: why not? it's simple and easy-to-use IMHO |
| 07:36.56 | kevix | mylastmorning: and you dont want gnome because.... |
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| 07:37.31 | mylastmorning | kevix because I want to try and step up to the next level so to speak. |
| 07:37.38 | dn4 | kevix, I only have another tv here |
| 07:37.41 | dn4 | I will try that one |
| 07:37.48 | unix_infidel | mylastmorning: that wiki entry has a tons of WM's there with links to each. |
| 07:37.56 | kevix | mylastmorning: what does that mean? |
| 07:37.57 | dn4 | arg wait that tv is even older |
| 07:37.58 | unix_infidel | popular and "other" window mangers are listed concisely. |
| 07:37.59 | mylastmorning | ok thanks unix |
| 07:38.12 | unix_infidel | mylastmorning: i'd recommend fluxbox but that's just me. |
| 07:38.21 | mylastmorning | can someone help me setup fvwm? |
| 07:38.29 | unix_infidel | but if you're coming from gnome. xfwm might be nicer. |
| 07:38.45 | mylastmorning | any good words on fvwm? |
| 07:38.58 | mylastmorning | unix_infidel any good words on fvwm? |
| 07:39.06 | kevix | mylastmorning: you can google from other peoples fvwm configs and try them out. I did that for my muttrc. |
| 07:39.14 | unix_infidel | mylastmorning: too ugly for me. |
| 07:39.19 | mylastmorning | haha |
| 07:39.21 | mylastmorning | ok |
| 07:39.37 | mylastmorning | let me show you a screenshot of a basic idea of what I want to do. |
| 07:39.49 | sparr | can any oss media player play a dvd from an iso image? a mounted iso image? |
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| 07:40.05 | unix_infidel | sparr: easiest way is to mount the iso image and then play using mplayer. |
| 07:40.31 | mylastmorning | unix_infidel this is under a different distro but this is something like I want... and they are using FVWM http://eitra.net/artie/fvwm_sshots/Fvwm-OSX_Milky-02.jpg |
| 07:40.52 | sparr | unix_infidel: how with mplayer? |
| 07:41.13 | mylastmorning | something pretty and clean like that link shows unix_infidel |
| 07:41.26 | Shadda` | I'm gonna end up going through every line of sourcecode in mplayer just to figure out how the hell to use it |
| 07:41.32 | unix_infidel | sparr: i would assume its just the same as mounting the dvd using mount and then playing it using mplayer. |
| 07:41.43 | unix_infidel | Shadda`: to do what? |
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| 07:42.01 | unix_infidel | mylastmorning: that is very fluxboxy with gnome-panel or fbpanel to me. |
| 07:42.03 | Shadda` | unix_infidel, been trying for three months to find an effective way to convert various movie files to .flv |
| 07:42.07 | Shadda` | I need it automated |
| 07:42.12 | inken | suppose I'm stupid, but if I install ttf-freefont, shouldn't those get avalaible in the Shell as well, and not only in the gnome terminal? |
| 07:42.14 | sparr | unix_infidel: mplayer plays dvds from a device, not a location. |
| 07:42.21 | Shadda` | but no matter what I do, there's always some problem with it |
| 07:42.29 | sparr | unix_infidel: by default, anyways |
| 07:42.30 | unix_infidel | Shadda`: never messed with flv sorry. |
| 07:42.45 | unix_infidel | sparr: why not making mplayer thing its reading anode. |
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| 07:42.57 | mylastmorning | what do you suggest I do in order to get what I want unix_infidel? |
| 07:43.09 | rcy | does apt-get dist-upgrade install a new kernel? im tryng to move from stable to testing, and its complaining that the udev package needs a newer kernel, which is holding up the upgrade |
| 07:43.23 | kevix | Shadda`: is flv a free format |
| 07:43.26 | unix_infidel | mylastmorning: install fluxbox, look at tenr.de for themes, and install various themes and skins for various apps. |
| 07:43.37 | Shadda` | kevix, flash video |
| 07:43.41 | mylastmorning | kevix yes flv is Macromedia and they give it for free. |
| 07:43.42 | unix_infidel | download gnome-panel or fbpanel, change gtk themes. |
| 07:44.00 | puetzk | helter: read the series anyway :-) |
| 07:44.12 | puetzk | err, *way* too scrolled back |
| 07:44.13 | puetzk | sorry all |
| 07:44.16 | mylastmorning | unix_infidel I have a clean install of debian... what do I download first? fluxbox? |
| 07:44.22 | sparr | unix_infidel: what? |
| 07:44.28 | sparr | is snapshot.debian.net down? |
| 07:44.52 | kevix | mylastmorning: free as in beer is not free as in freedom |
| 07:44.54 | unix_infidel | sparr: sorry i'm not the best person to ask, i know Hawkwind in #lfd has done that before with dvd's but he's asleep right now. |
| 07:45.04 | mylastmorning | free as in beer |
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| 07:45.07 | mylastmorning | kevix |
| 07:45.15 | inken | or would I need some lib or tool or anything in order to make those work? |
| 07:45.16 | kevix | mylastmorning: do you have x-window-system installed? |
| 07:45.19 | mylastmorning | no |
| 07:45.28 | jaymzh | make-kpkg is telling me that the UTS version doesn't match the current version... but it's also showing them as both identical!! =( |
| 07:45.31 | mylastmorning | apt-get install x-window-system? |
| 07:45.33 | unix_infidel | time for dpkg to do its thing. |
| 07:45.39 | mylastmorning | apt-get install x-window-system kevix? |
| 07:46.02 | unix_infidel | mylastmorning: also, try tab completion. |
| 07:46.10 | kevix | mylastmorning: x-window-system is the basic meta-package for install X windows |
| 07:46.29 | unix_infidel | for instance when you want to refer to someone...eg uni[press tab] and there ya go. |
| 07:46.42 | mylastmorning | kevix what would you recommend me doing step by step? |
| 07:46.49 | kevix | mylastmorning: as I said, when you install that, it includes twm, a fine window mananger |
| 07:47.03 | dn4 | hmm |
| 07:47.08 | mylastmorning | I don't want to use twm kevix. I'm going to use flexbox |
| 07:47.15 | kevix | mylastmorning: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 07:47.18 | dn4 | it seems like I need to edit the XF86 config to get s-video out to work |
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| 07:47.38 | kevix | mylastmorning: you dont need to use it but its included in the basic system |
| 07:47.47 | mylastmorning | ok |
| 07:48.01 | dn4 | is there something in debian that lets me choose two monitors? |
| 07:48.07 | kevix | dn4: that would make sense as the basic x setup is not for using video out |
| 07:48.10 | mylastmorning | once I am done downloading this X-window thing can you help me configure it kevix? |
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| 07:48.20 | unix_infidel | mylastmorning: one step at a time. |
| 07:48.38 | kevix | mylastmorning: it will ask you questions after the files are downloaded |
| 07:48.45 | gpm | how would i recursively replace all "s with 's? i'm thinking something like find . -depth -name '* *' -type f -print0 | xargs -r0 rename 's/"/'/g' ... but that won't work |
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| 07:49.12 | kevix | dn4: there is not a default way to configure more than one monitor |
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| 07:49.50 | mylastmorning | well, I've got a 20 minute wait... so anyone want some free web design? get it while its hot! I used to work for the digital agency group in hollywood. |
| 07:49.56 | dn4 | I found this code |
| 07:50.02 | dn4 | http://wiki.arslinux.com/TV-out_for_your_NVidia-card |
| 07:50.09 | jaymzh | anyone? |
| 07:50.13 | jaymzh | make-kpkg is telling me that the UTS version doesn't match the current version... but it's also showing them as both identical!! =( |
| 07:50.14 | dn4 | only problem I see is selected dual heads |
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| 07:51.30 | inken | well, apparently I wont get any more fonts there for whatever reason, but thanks for the help |
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| 07:52.04 | Bug5 | hi |
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| 07:52.32 | kevix | dn4: sometimes it may help to try 'X -configure' it may give you a basic 2-monitor x-config |
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| 07:53.01 | Bug5 | guys, im looking for some bandwidth management thingie that wil tell me how much bandwidth are the users wasting in real time |
| 07:53.11 | Bug5 | can anyone recomend something? |
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| 07:53.26 | Bug5 | i've used iptraf, but i need something that will tell me the speed rates also |
| 07:53.29 | Chuck | #flood |
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| 07:54.03 | jm_ | iptraf tells you speeds, also check jnettop |
| 07:54.04 | Beleys | Bonjour |
| 07:54.15 | liable | hola! |
| 07:54.29 | jaymzh | nevermind, found the fix here http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=355147 |
| 07:54.29 | jaymzh | thanks |
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| 07:55.28 | unix_infidel | how would i look at the old listings for users on ebay? |
| 07:55.41 | unix_infidel | i mean previous sold and unsold items that they put up for listing? |
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| 07:55.48 | unix_infidel | for a specific user. |
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| 07:56.37 | dn4 | Does anyone have a XF86Config file that supports s-video? |
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| 07:57.24 | kevix | dn4: if you goggle for your card, you should find one that does what you want |
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| 07:59.36 | gpm | lemme re-ask, how do i rename a bunch of files (filenames) with "s in them so that all the "s are renamed to 's...i.e. "foo".bar -> 'foo'.bar...i'm thinking something like find . -depth -name '* *' -type f -print0 | xargs -r0 rename 's/"/'/g' ... but that won't work |
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| 08:00.44 | SimonRaven | gpm: rename |
| 08:00.47 | deadcat | !test |
| 08:00.47 | dpkg | Yes, deadcat, you're still online. |
| 08:01.19 | gpm | SimonRaven: recursively.... |
| 08:01.38 | SimonRaven | oh, duh. mis-parsed |
| 08:02.10 | SimonRaven | gonna have to do a little bit of sub-shell magic for that one |
| 08:02.56 | dn4 | http://www.sorgonet.com/linux/nv-online/ |
| 08:03.01 | SimonRaven | and for loop it |
| 08:03.02 | dn4 | I used this website which creates a script |
| 08:03.05 | dn4 | time t test it out |
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| 08:04.24 | kevix | dn4: there is also the dvr sites like mythtv and freevo |
| 08:04.25 | SimonRaven | gpm: to test, you can always insert an 'echo' in front of the command make sure it works, and you don't mangle your file names while doing so |
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| 08:04.39 | dn4 | dvr? |
| 08:04.45 | dn4 | digital video recorder? |
| 08:04.48 | gpm | yeah i know....i thought someone might have a fast solution |
| 08:04.51 | SimonRaven | and that way you can also see what's going on. gives you an idea of what's happening |
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| 08:05.07 | dn4 | brb booting my init back up |
| 08:05.14 | SimonRaven | shouldn't take more than 10 minutes or so to figure out the command |
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| 08:05.53 | mr_claus_ | i cannot connect to a windows share with nautilus, did i miss an installation of some packages? |
| 08:05.54 | DocTomoe | hm, my dedicated debian server refuses to restart with both reboot and shutdown -r now ... additionally, it thinks /var is a read-only filesystem and won't let me use any services connected to it. what can I do without physical access to the machine? |
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| 08:06.46 | kevix | DocTomoe: you can not get to single user mode? |
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| 08:07.11 | kevix | DocTomoe: or older kernels? |
| 08:07.18 | DocTomoe | kevix, negative, as the server is ca. 1400 km away from my current position. ssh is all i have |
| 08:07.44 | DocTomoe | I cannot get to single user, because this would render sshd useless and lock me out |
| 08:07.59 | kevix | DocTomoe: what did you change? kernel, ssh .... |
| 08:08.21 | DocTomoe | kevix, nothing that I know of. |
| 08:08.22 | kevix | DocTomoe: that is one of those debian issue... long time issue |
| 08:08.59 | jm_ | DocTomoe: check dmesg to find out why it's read-only |
| 08:09.40 | liable | DocTomoe: yeah, sounds like filesystem error or something. |
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| 08:10.23 | kevix | DocTomoe: the only thing I can think of is a 'remote debian take over' of your debian system |
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| 08:14.43 | ^Chance- | Hello how can i install with apt some deb files from a directory and to state what deps it needs to install that file ? |
| 08:15.11 | mylastmorning | kevix I am at the config of the mouse for X-window I have a PS2 mouse plugged in what option should I use? |
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| 08:15.33 | unix_infidel | mylastmorning: ImPS/2 |
| 08:15.39 | unix_infidel | NOT regular PS2 |
| 08:15.48 | unix_infidel | especially if it has a scroll wheel. |
| 08:15.53 | mylastmorning | hmm |
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| 08:16.06 | kevix | mylastmorning: that is what I have: imps.2 |
| 08:16.10 | mylastmorning | all I see is options like /dev/input/mice |
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| 08:16.21 | unix_infidel | lol, yea. |
| 08:16.24 | mylastmorning | everything with /dev |
| 08:16.30 | ^Chance- | Anyone ? |
| 08:16.32 | mylastmorning | what would I choose? |
| 08:16.38 | syiron | hello ppl. what the command to check services on my debian plz? |
| 08:16.44 | kevix | mylastmorning: you can try that and change it if it does not work |
| 08:16.49 | mylastmorning | ok |
| 08:17.25 | kevix | mylastmorning: /dev/input/mice is your point device, not the protcol it uses |
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| 08:18.25 | kevix | syiron: debian does not have 'check config' like in redhat. |
| 08:18.43 | kevix | !rcconf |
| 08:18.44 | dpkg | from memory, rcconf is a frontend to the update-rc.d, or check out sysv-rc-conf ...and if it's broken, try this: for a in $(ls /etc/rc?.d/???jabber) ; do rm $a ; done |
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| 08:19.29 | kevix | syiron: but you can install rcconf or sysv-rc-conf to check/config runlevels |
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| 08:22.02 | naddar | anyone use squirelmail |
| 08:22.06 | naddar | anyone use squirrelmail |
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| 08:22.12 | mylastmorning | ok I just got X-window-system or whatever kevix. |
| 08:22.27 | kevix | naddar: its for nuts! |
| 08:22.32 | dna_ | kevix, any suggestions on how to turn my tv into my computor monitor and such? |
| 08:22.36 | naddar | lol |
| 08:22.55 | kevix | mylastmorning: you can try 'startx' to see if it works and see if the mouse works |
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| 08:23.36 | kevix | dna_: never did it. but there seems to be lots of stuff about it. did you check the mythtv and freevo sites? |
| 08:25.05 | dna_ | I saw freevo's website |
| 08:25.19 | dna_ | I am wondering if the software install wilwl cause my video card to wrk with s-video |
| 08:25.59 | kevix | dna_: dont know. |
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| 08:26.28 | kevix | dna_: maybe try #mythtv ... |
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| 08:26.55 | dna_ | :) |
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| 08:27.53 | gypsymauro | hello |
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| 08:28.42 | zeng | hello, how can I restrict a user from running a program too long. Say after the program started 2 hours, it will be killed automatically |
| 08:28.49 | mylastmorning | kevix it doesn't recognise the mouse |
| 08:28.51 | weasel00 | dna_ : there are entire linux builds precompiled for those. =) |
| 08:28.55 | mylastmorning | how do I reconfigure it kevix? |
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| 08:29.13 | dna_ | yikes |
| 08:29.24 | dna_ | I don't want to reinstall linux |
| 08:29.36 | kevix | mylastmorning: what kind of mouse do you have |
| 08:30.05 | mylastmorning | a logitech PS2 mouse kevix |
| 08:30.36 | weasel00 | dna_ : do a search for "dave dina" he has some really good walkthroughs on his setup and you download the programs from his site last i saw |
| 08:30.37 | kevix | dna_: there are mythtv packages in unstable. |
| 08:30.50 | kevix | mylastmorning: than 'apt-get install mdetect' |
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| 08:31.24 | mylastmorning | ok now what kevix? |
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| 08:31.56 | kevix | mylastmorning: run 'mdetect' |
| 08:32.24 | mylastmorning | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:32.29 | mylastmorning | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:32.52 | mylastmorning | now how do I reconfig the X-server? |
| 08:32.56 | mylastmorning | or w/e |
| 08:33.17 | kevix | mylastmorning: so 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' and select /dev/psaux |
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| 08:34.08 | mylastmorning | hmmm |
| 08:34.13 | mylastmorning | its not there... |
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| 08:34.31 | mylastmorning | "please select the X-Server Driver" kevix |
| 08:34.39 | kevix | mylastmorning: what do you mean? did you see /dev/input/mice ? |
| 08:34.44 | mylastmorning | no |
| 08:35.12 | kevix | mylastmorning: what did you select last time |
| 08:35.26 | mylastmorning | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:35.57 | kevix | mylastmorning: so erase it and type /dev/psaux |
| 08:36.07 | mylastmorning | how? |
| 08:36.14 | mylastmorning | this is the wrong config |
| 08:36.47 | kevix | mylastmorning: when it asks the question, you press the 'backspace' key and type /dev/psaux |
| 08:38.11 | tiny | Hi! I booted my system from install media with expert26 mode as a boot parameter. I wonder why the kernel didn't recognize ide drives. Do I need to load modules or something? |
| 08:38.55 | mylastmorning | kevix what server modules should be loaded when starting Xfree86? |
| 08:39.02 | kevix | !sata |
| 08:39.02 | dpkg | Ideally you want Jeff Garzik's libata patch against 2.4.x. See http://lwn.net/Articles/52488/ . For a netinst w/libata, see http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ to make one with a custom kernel, or http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html for more options. ("You can tell the pioneers by the arrows in their backs."), or use a 2.6 kernel for less pain, or you must enable CONFIG_SATA and your SATA driver for this to work |
| 08:39.33 | kevix | mylastmorning: what did you use for the first time? |
| 08:39.46 | weasel00 | what was the command to show processes? |
| 08:39.53 | streuner | ps |
| 08:40.05 | weasel00 | streuner : thanks |
| 08:40.14 | mylastmorning | hmm kevix. this isn't working... |
| 08:40.15 | kevix | weasel00: although I like 'ps -A f' |
| 08:41.04 | kevix | does anyone know the question for x reconfigure. I cant seem to help mylastmorning..... |
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| 08:41.22 | liable | great, i just lost all my bookmarks. :( |
| 08:41.54 | mylastmorning | hold on kevix I have an idea |
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| 08:43.39 | mylastmorning | kevix is there a way to reverse this installtion/config? |
| 08:43.48 | mylastmorning | because I broke it lol... |
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| 08:44.23 | kevix | mylastmorning: you just issue 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' and try again |
| 08:44.57 | weasel00 | found it... my room turned into a lan party all of a sudden and notebook fell to the floor that running some processes on the server and knocked half the house offline lol |
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| 08:45.25 | liable | wtf is going on. now ftp.au.d.o is down... |
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| 08:45.55 | weasel00 | liable : mirrors are updating i believe |
| 08:46.02 | htt | hi, can i talk with the administrator of this channel? |
| 08:46.21 | kevix | liable: I can ping ftp.d.o ? |
| 08:46.22 | htt | i am being banned for him, and i don't know why? |
| 08:46.42 | mylastmorning | kevix startx says my driver cannot support 24bit depth |
| 08:46.53 | liable | kevix: .au? |
| 08:47.04 | kevix | htt: the ban maybe from a group of ips |
| 08:47.11 | mylastmorning | (EE) VGA(0): Driver can't support depth 24 |
| 08:47.14 | htt | my usually nickname is wfq |
| 08:47.22 | kevix | mylastmorning: so try 15 or 16 bits |
| 08:47.30 | mylastmorning | I tried 16 |
| 08:47.39 | kevix | htt: try #freenode |
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| 08:47.59 | htt | kevix, i have tested from several ip's and i am obtaining the same result |
| 08:48.07 | liable | htt: or /msg dondelelcaro |
| 08:48.36 | htt | liable, /msg dondelelcaro? i don't understand |
| 08:49.00 | kevix | liable: ftp.au.debian.org = ftp.planetmirror.org |
| 08:49.08 | liable | htt: he is one of the main ops. |
| 08:49.09 | mylastmorning | brb kevix |
| 08:49.25 | htt | ok, thanks |
| 08:49.28 | liable | kevix: and does it reply? |
| 08:50.01 | kevix | liable: not sure. I'm on dialup. ask someone what broadband |
| 08:50.15 | unix_infidel | kevix: what country? |
| 08:50.26 | kevix | unix_infidel: liable is in .au |
| 08:50.32 | liable | kevix: you cant ping on dial up? |
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| 08:50.51 | kevix | liable: its sloooww |
| 08:50.52 | unix_infidel | kevix: no i meant what country are you in. |
| 08:50.56 | weasel00 | liable : im on broadband what can i ping for ya ;) |
| 08:51.00 | kevix | unix_infidel: US |
| 08:51.06 | liable | ftp.au.debian.org |
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| 08:51.18 | unix_infidel | kevix: sorry to hear, broadband is cheap round these parts. |
| 08:51.43 | unix_infidel | (Texas) |
| 08:51.45 | kevix | liable: I forgot , I'm doing a traceroute |
| 08:52.01 | liable | its down anyway :( |
| 08:52.21 | weasel00 | liable : route dies at IseekCommunications.14vrc76f06.optus.net.au (61.88.151.14) |
| 08:52.22 | streuner | knusper:/# ping -c1 ftp.au.debian.org |
| 08:52.22 | kevix | liable: the last hop is 20 IseekCommunications.14vrc76f06.optus.net.au (61.88.151.14) 371.800 ms * 378.936 ms |
| 08:52.32 | streuner | 1 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 0ms |
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| 08:52.48 | weasel00 | lol look at the all results you get :D |
| 08:53.17 | kevix | liable: no prob with traceroute to ftp.debian.org |
| 08:53.18 | Agentj87 | hi |
| 08:53.22 | Agentj87 | i need sum help |
| 08:53.30 | kevix | Agentj87: 2+2=4 |
| 08:53.35 | Agentj87 | im tryin to download sumthin via ftp by command line |
| 08:53.35 | liable | kevix: yeah, but it has key issues :) |
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| 08:54.03 | weasel00 | liable grab another mirror thats not run by crimals *wink* |
| 08:54.10 | liable | hah |
| 08:54.11 | Agentj87 | do i use wget ftp://user:pass:site:port |
| 08:54.13 | weasel00 | criminals* |
| 08:54.20 | kevix | liable: did someone forget to pay the bill to .au ? |
| 08:54.23 | liable | i am getting bored with changing mirrors |
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| 08:54.36 | liable | gah, .au bashing time! |
| 08:54.37 | Agentj87 | ? |
| 08:54.57 | Agentj87 | «ansong» u here |
| 08:55.07 | marx | hey guys does anyone know how to change your screensize when X isn't running |
| 08:55.15 | streuner | Agentj87: is there nothing in 'tkinfo wget' about? |
| 08:55.26 | Agentj87 | lemme look |
| 08:55.38 | streuner | !drxx marx |
| 08:55.39 | dpkg | marx: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 08:56.05 | marx | blah |
| 08:56.09 | Agentj87 | «streuner_» is that like a man ? |
| 08:56.11 | marx | I'm not running X though |
| 08:56.20 | streuner | Agentj87: yes |
| 08:56.46 | Agentj87 | «streuner_» it brought up nothing typing that in |
| 08:56.57 | streuner | Agentj87: you need tkinfo |
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| 08:57.04 | streuner | !find tkinfo |
| 08:57.14 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'tkinfo' (2): (/usr/share/mmucl/lib/ntkinfo.tcl) in games/mmucl ;; (/usr/bin/tkinfo, /usr/lib/menu/tkinfo, /usr/share/linda/overrides/tkinfo) in doc/tkinfo. |
| 08:57.28 | liable | yay, .de works.. |
| 08:57.55 | streuner | Agentj87: or just 'info' |
| 08:58.43 | liable | getting back to what i was originaly trying to do.. what firefox file do i need to delete to remove old printers that are no longer configured? |
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| 09:00.05 | liable | !lart optus |
| 09:00.28 | streuner | CUPS? |
| 09:00.31 | Agentj87 | «streuner_» seems like problem is in file im tryin to get, it has a " ( ) " in it |
| 09:00.46 | liable | yep |
| 09:01.02 | streuner | liable: http://localhost:631 ? ;-) |
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| 09:01.32 | liable | streuner: nah, printer is long gone, its only firefox that still insists its there. |
| 09:01.34 | streuner | Agentj87: give us the whole error you got, but don't paste here |
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| 09:01.41 | Agentj87 | ok |
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| 09:01.58 | alexey__ | In what version of Debian apt-get was massively used as default ? |
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| 09:02.11 | Agentj87 | «streuner_» -bash: syntax error near unexpected token `(' |
| 09:02.12 | streuner | liable: grep the config folder, whereever that should be with the string |
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| 09:02.42 | streuner | Agentj87: using 'tkinfo wget'? |
| 09:02.43 | liable | streuner: tried that, grep didnt find it strangely. |
| 09:02.57 | Agentj87 | no downloadin the file |
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| 09:03.05 | Agentj87 | i figured out howot use wget |
| 09:03.09 | liable | well, in /lib/firefox anyway, same with /home |
| 09:03.11 | Agentj87 | how to * |
| 09:03.16 | Agentj87 | -bash: syntax error near unexpected token `(' |
| 09:03.19 | Agentj87 | oops |
| 09:03.28 | jm_ | liable: should be in user_pref |
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| 09:03.47 | liable | jm_: what dir is that in? |
| 09:03.57 | jm_ | liable: pardon prefs.js (locate will tell you) |
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| 09:04.03 | ndee | hello there, I'm using exim4 as my MTA but somehow, it doesn't send a FQDN when it sends a mail so some mail servers refuse my messages(my brother's for example). How can I set that correct host name in exim? |
| 09:04.11 | liable | jm_: ta |
| 09:04.26 | liable | i did remove that from /home dotfile iirc |
| 09:04.28 | jm_ | liable: can't give you exact dir name, it's ~/.mozilla/firefoox/foo |
| 09:04.48 | Agentj87 | «streuner_» lemme give example of the situationnn, wget ftp://user:pass:port@site filename (file ).mpg |
| 09:04.50 | streuner | ndee: man hosts |
| 09:05.04 | Agentj87 | «streuner_» then i get -bash: syntax error near unexpected token `(' |
| 09:05.06 | liable | hrm, theres a few |
| 09:05.15 | ndee | streuner: the hostname is in my hosts file |
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| 09:06.57 | Agentj87 | any ideas anyone |
| 09:07.16 | concept10 | Anyone remember the name of the app that allows you to use one mouse/keyboard combo with two boxes? |
| 09:07.46 | kevix | concept10: synergy |
| 09:08.00 | streuner | Agentj87: what kind of stuff you wanna download in order to use passwort? |
| 09:08.00 | Agentj87 | «streuner_» ? |
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| 09:08.05 | concept10 | kevis: ahh, thanks |
| 09:08.21 | streuner | its pretty unusual |
| 09:08.31 | Agentj87 | «streuner_» its off a priv ftp , just sum tv shows |
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| 09:10.02 | Agentj87 | «streuner_» i know linux is sensitive with what characters u use, but its a file im downloading not creating |
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| 09:11.11 | streuner | wget http://foo.bar.com --http-user=user --http-passwd=password |
| 09:11.41 | streuner | that's the right syntax for http, should work for ftp too |
| 09:11.43 | Agentj87 | but its not http, its ftp:// |
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| 09:11.49 | Agentj87 | ok |
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| 09:12.02 | Agentj87 | but thats not the problem |
| 09:12.16 | nkuttler | Agentj87: man bash, see quoting |
| 09:12.34 | Agentj87 | the syntax for the ftp command is correct but its having a problem with the file name i wish to download |
| 09:12.43 | Agentj87 | the character thats in it |
| 09:12.46 | Agentj87 | ( |
| 09:13.12 | unix_infidel | http://static.syswear.com/images/t-shirts/folded/apt_get_a_folded_marge_black_folded.png |
| 09:13.43 | marx | that's kinda funny |
| 09:13.46 | fireba11 | unix_infidel: hey, taht's cool :-) |
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| 09:14.09 | Agentj87 | «nkuttler» what am i lookin to get from man bash |
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| 09:14.23 | nkuttler | Agentj87: i told you... |
| 09:14.38 | Agentj87 | quoting? |
| 09:14.43 | nkuttler | Agentj87: yes |
| 09:15.41 | brosioz | hi, it's possible install with apt-get a package into a specific directory like /home/alex/installedpackages and add it to the path bin ? |
| 09:15.41 | nkuttler | brosioz: why would you want to do that? |
| 09:15.42 | fireba11 | brosioz: uhm .. why ? |
| 09:16.00 | brosioz | cause i'm going to install debian on a router |
| 09:16.11 | brosioz | and i don't have enought memory on it |
| 09:16.23 | brosioz | i need to use external hard drive |
| 09:16.40 | kevix | brosioz: mount the dir via nfs |
| 09:16.53 | streuner | get a different bot then, boxes are cheap second hand |
| 09:16.58 | Agentj87 | «nkuttler» i see what ur referring to , can it be temporarily diabled |
| 09:17.00 | streuner | s/bot/box/ |
| 09:17.05 | brosioz | i don't want have a nfs server always up |
| 09:17.18 | kevix | brosioz: look at pebble linux |
| 09:18.13 | nkuttler | Agentj87: use "(foo" \(foo etc |
| 09:18.15 | Agentj87 | would using quotyes work |
| 09:18.46 | Agentj87 | not sure where to use it in command |
| 09:19.02 | brosioz | kevix: i need 2.6 kernel on it |
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| 09:20.02 | Agentj87 | «nkuttler» i am a bit confused on using "(foo" \(foo etc |
| 09:20.04 | james__ | How can I rename a network interface? |
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| 09:21.03 | liable | ifrename |
| 09:21.46 | james__ | It's called eth2, I would like it to be wlan0 |
| 09:21.58 | james__ | Just easier for me rly |
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| 09:22.08 | Agentj87 | nkuttler ? |
| 09:22.10 | jm_ | james__: man ifrename ; man nameif |
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| 09:23.42 | Agentj87 | im so confused |
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| 09:25.47 | Fox | hi |
| 09:25.51 | Agentj87 | can anyone help me without leavin? |
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| 09:26.19 | snorksi | hi, im snorksi |
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| 09:27.55 | Agentj87 | i give up |
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| 09:28.04 | Agentj87 | i gotta wait for certain ppl i guess |
| 09:28.04 | comsa | hi there wats the command to check what kernel i have |
| 09:28.05 | Arnald | Why does debian keep juggling my CDROM/DVD devices around? |
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| 09:30.10 | ndee | Arnald: because it can. |
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| 09:30.44 | snorksi | s |
| 09:31.04 | Arnald | ndee: Very good ;) Seriously, though, it's a right pain in the arse. |
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| 09:32.34 | nkuttler | Agentj87: what are you confused about? |
| 09:33.16 | liable | hrm, maybe its xprint doing this |
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| 09:33.27 | kevix | folks, if you check on planet.debian.org it seems server debian servers are having connection issue.... hopefully temporary |
| 09:34.09 | jm_ | liable: I don't have that installed |
| 09:34.19 | khermans | Is it possible for a user program to gain root privileges without physically typing a password, say by passing the password string to su ? |
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| 09:35.00 | lpb-oberon | sure |
| 09:35.01 | Agentj87 | «nkuttler» i dont kno how to use the foo |
| 09:35.03 | khermans | like this don't work --> cat "mypass" | su |
| 09:35.08 | resiak | khermans: look into sudo |
| 09:35.08 | nkuttler | khermans: you could use sudo |
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| 09:35.14 | nkuttler | !foo |
| 09:35.14 | dpkg | it has been said that foo is the first metasyntactic variable, it's a placeholder for some other term. See <http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/F/foo.html> and <bar> |
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| 09:35.51 | khermans | resiak, yea but this still doesnt work -> echo "mypass" | sudo |
| 09:36.07 | khermans | or better, echo "mypass" | sudo dothis |
| 09:36.07 | resiak | No, it doesn't, but you can set up sudo to allow you to run a given program without a password |
| 09:36.11 | resiak | man 5 sudoers |
| 09:36.11 | resiak | *gone* |
| 09:36.52 | khermans | the problem is how to pass a password string to sudo if you can't pipe it |
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| 09:37.05 | Agentj87 | «nkuttler» that dpkg site sisnt help |
| 09:37.09 | Agentj87 | it dont say how to use it |
| 09:37.15 | nkuttler | khermans: you don't. man 5 sudoers |
| 09:37.21 | Snorks | not possible to variable it? |
| 09:37.31 | nkuttler | Agentj87: you don't USE it. you replace your filename for it |
| 09:37.31 | Agentj87 | i need a more dirext answer or an example |
| 09:37.35 | khermans | nkuttler, i understand how to set up sudo to do that |
| 09:37.46 | nkuttler | Agentj87: touch \(foo, touch (foo |
| 09:37.56 | Snorks | love's foo |
| 09:38.08 | khermans | nkuttler, the only way i can think of automating the password without touching the /etc/sudoers file is by emulating keyboard input |
| 09:38.27 | resiak | why do you want to do it that way?! |
| 09:38.29 | nkuttler | khermans: well why don't you want to configure sudo properly? |
| 09:38.35 | Agentj87 | so insstead of touch (foo , i use ocuh \(foo |
| 09:38.36 | Agentj87 | ? |
| 09:38.38 | khermans | nkuttler, say i dont have root |
| 09:38.48 | nkuttler | Agentj87: why don't you just try it? |
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| 09:38.58 | khermans | nkuttler, and i dont want to request help from an admin |
| 09:39.00 | [GNU] | hello all, i am trying to set up a openafs fileserver for a existing cell on a debian machine but new volumes cant be created, anyone got an idea or willing to help? |
| 09:39.16 | nkuttler | khermans: didn't you say you have the root password? |
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| 09:39.23 | khermans | nkuttler, no a sudo password |
| 09:39.28 | mrverbose | is there a security update repository for testing like there is for stable? |
| 09:39.31 | liable | jm_: xorg pulls it in iirc |
| 09:39.35 | khermans | but root privs |
| 09:39.44 | ankur | hello friends, which package i need to install for i386-linux-ld command ? |
| 09:39.55 | jm_ | liable: sucks |
| 09:40.00 | khermans | ankur, ldconfig? |
| 09:40.03 | khermans | libc! |
| 09:40.06 | nkuttler | khermans: and you can't edit the sudoers file with you sudo rights? |
| 09:40.20 | liable | jm_: indeed |
| 09:40.25 | liable | i cant remove it. |
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| 09:40.35 | khermans | nkuttler, that doesnt mater -- i want to be able to pipe a password string to sudo |
| 09:40.42 | khermans | yer saying it is not possible |
| 09:40.44 | liable | hrm, ok not xserver-xorg anyway.. |
| 09:41.04 | khermans | but, i can do it by emulating keyboard input with some perl libs |
| 09:41.11 | khermans | i wonder if there is an easier way |
| 09:41.13 | codenamewilley | Hi everyone |
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| 09:41.21 | Snorks | hi codenamewilley |
| 09:41.21 | nkuttler | khermans: i think it's not smart to put a password that gives root permissions into a script. |
| 09:41.37 | khermans | nkuttler, the point is to exploit the Ubuntu bug |
| 09:41.39 | liable | it is automatically installed though |
| 09:41.43 | khermans | nkuttler, no it would not be smart |
| 09:41.46 | codenamewilley | i am using redhat linux for some time |
| 09:41.51 | codenamewilley | I am new to Debian... |
| 09:41.57 | Snorks | ok, codenamewilley |
| 09:42.09 | jm_ | liable: x-window-system depends on it here (grep-available -F Depends -s Package 'xprint') |
| 09:42.20 | khermans | nkuttler, right now i have a script that greps a file, takes the credentials to gain root |
| 09:42.20 | codenamewilley | i want to know how can we start the service in debian |
| 09:42.35 | khermans | nkuttler, but it does it using a keyboard input emulation |
| 09:42.40 | nkuttler | khermans: wtf are you _doing_? this is not #scriptkiddies |
| 09:42.44 | resiak | what a useful thing to do! Hooray! |
| 09:42.46 | khermans | codenamewilley, /etc/init.d/myservice start |
| 09:42.57 | Snorks | 1>? |
| 09:42.59 | kevix | mrverbose: debian only offically supports security updates for stable, but during the last cycle, there was a short before sarge was stable, that there was security for testing |
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| 09:43.03 | Snorks | stdin |
| 09:43.05 | codenamewilley | actually, i've configured web server ie. apache but cant start it's service |
| 09:43.05 | khermans | nkuttler, its not about being a script kiddie, its about understanding sudo |
| 09:43.13 | codenamewilley | wat do i do snorks? |
| 09:43.22 | khermans | nkuttler, i dont understand why i can't pipe it |
| 09:43.37 | Snorks | codenamewilley: try, as root, /etc/init.d/apache restart (or start) |
| 09:43.40 | resiak | because sudo opens the tty. it doesnt' read from stdin |
| 09:43.48 | Snorks | codenamewilley: also try ls /etc/init.d |
| 09:43.50 | Agentj87 | «nkuttler» that \ doesnt work for me |
| 09:43.56 | Snorks | codenamewilley: and perhaps | grep apache |
| 09:44.13 | khermans | resiak, is there any way, other than keyboard emulation of key events, to get the string into sudo then? |
| 09:44.21 | liable | jm_: yeah, it removes it and a whole load of other stuff if i try and remove it (fonts, server etc) :( |
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| 09:44.28 | codenamewilley | ok....i will try |
| 09:44.36 | ankur | khermans: can you pls specify the name of the package. there are so many packages for libc. thank you |
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| 09:45.19 | Snorks | codenamewilley: Good luck, mate |
| 09:45.37 | codenamewilley | thank you...Snorks, |
| 09:45.45 | khermans | ankur, libc6 ? |
| 09:45.46 | Snorks | ankur: Can't go wrong with them all! :-) |
| 09:45.55 | Snorks | ankur: or perhaps you can |
| 09:46.00 | khermans | ankur, you probably already have it dude! |
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| 09:46.55 | ankur | yeah. but when i try to compile the kernel using i386-linux- toolchain i got the error " /bin/sh: line 1: i386-linux-ld: command not found" |
| 09:47.10 | Snorks | shell |
| 09:47.31 | Snorks | check whats in your $PATH |
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| 09:47.56 | qweo | can anybody help: i have been add the new archive key ("Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2006) <ftpmaster@debian.org>"),and run apt-get update,but apt-get says: "W: GPG error: http://ftp.chg.ru sid Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 010908312D230C5F Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2006) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 09:48.15 | ankur | Snorks : in my echo path : /sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin |
| 09:48.17 | mike_douglas | I'm having an odd problem with dpkg. I've locally built emacs-snapshot (v. 20060313170754-1), but apt wants to "upgrade" to 20060114-1. What am I doing wrong? |
| 09:48.29 | khermans | nkuttler, i guess that means you dont know a way to pass the string to sudo |
| 09:48.42 | codenamewilley | hello Snorks....I tried |
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| 09:49.01 | codenamewilley | Snorks, it says "apache failed" |
| 09:49.12 | jm_ | liable: luckily I am still using Sarge ;) |
| 09:49.26 | codenamewilley | Snorks, is it because of some error in the httpd.conf file? |
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| 09:50.32 | liable | jm_: heh, once again you have pointed out another package i didnt know of. :) |
| 09:50.35 | codenamewilley | Snorks, are you there mate? |
| 09:50.40 | tiny | I deboostraped a system to a CF card, installed grub, kernel and booted into a system. After doing apt-setup I inspected the sources.list file only to find out I have a testing labe in it. I would like to have stable release. How can I go back? |
| 09:50.41 | Snorks | ankur: sorry, i meant type "echo $SHELL" it should say /bin/bash hopefully |
| 09:50.45 | Snorks | codenamewilley: yes mate |
| 09:50.47 | nkuttler | khermans: yeah. i don't see any useful application for it either. |
| 09:51.04 | Snorks | codenamewilley: That might very well be the case, yes. At least the service is called "apache" |
| 09:51.39 | Snorks | ankur: eh. I'm sorry, but im a little high on coffee atm, i have troubles following conversations |
| 09:51.40 | codenamewilley | Snorks, i will try and reconfigure web server |
| 09:51.54 | Snorks | codenamewilley: Ok! Hope you get it to work :-) |
| 09:52.10 | mrverbose | kevix http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ so this doesnt work any more? |
| 09:52.23 | ankur | snorks: yeah i am getting /bin/bash. so ? |
| 09:52.27 | codenamewilley | can you just pleasl me any pointer for debian administration??? |
| 09:52.40 | codenamewilley | tel* |
| 09:53.20 | kevix | mrverbose: not sure, you'd have to ask in #debian-devel. |
| 09:53.26 | nkuttler | codenamewilley: google debian administration |
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| 09:53.39 | codenamewilley | ok...thank you Snorks and thanx every one. |
| 09:53.44 | codenamewilley | BYE |
| 09:53.46 | Snorks | ankur: eh ok, i read "/bin/sh" so i |
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| 09:54.10 | kevix | mrverbose: the point is that fixes are put in unstable and then stable. so testing does not get updated the same way |
| 09:54.21 | ankur | Snorks: now what i need to do more. pls |
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| 09:54.55 | Snorks | ankur: well bash is one shell, and sh is one shell. and in your error message I read "/bin/sh" which I assume has something to do with the shell |
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| 09:56.14 | Snorks | ankur: and it might be that the command you tried is not to be found in any of the folders that pops up when you write echo $PATH, in which case you have to navigate to a folder where the command can be found, and ./ it |
| 09:56.57 | Snorks | ankur: or create a symbolink to it, and place the link in e.g. /bin/ |
| 09:57.24 | kevix | mrverbose: you beat me to #debian-devel. you may not get an answer, so try again or maybe another time. |
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| 09:58.48 | ankur | Snorks: thank you very much. But i am not able to find i386-linux-ld in /usr/bin where other executables like i386-linux-cpp.... are placed. |
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| 09:59.55 | Snorks | ankur: I'm not sure I can be of any help :/ |
| 10:00.33 | Snorks | ankur: But the spirit was there! ;-) |
| 10:00.40 | liable | jm_: dpkg --purge then re-install fixed it :) |
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| 10:01.45 | ankur | Snorks: i found that i386-linux-cpp is link to gcc3.3 so can i also make i386-linux-ld link to ld . ? |
| 10:02.30 | ankur | there are two ld.. one is "ld" and second is "ld86", which one i need to use |
| 10:02.42 | Snorks | if i only knew what ld stands for |
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| 10:05.33 | nayyares | which player will play real media player format audio/vedio on kde? |
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| 10:06.38 | ankur | nayyares: you can download real media player from www.real.com |
| 10:06.46 | liable | nlight: its in marillat |
| 10:07.46 | liable | nayyares: ^^ |
| 10:07.50 | liable | nlight: sorry |
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| 10:08.14 | Eclipser | mmh |
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| 10:08.41 | Eclipser | is it possible to tilt X by 90 degrees |
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| 10:09.09 | tarzeau | Eclipser: i think so, there's some xtool for it |
| 10:09.21 | tarzeau | Eclipser: depends if your driver supports it or not |
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| 10:09.47 | kevix | Eclipser: xrandr |
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| 10:09.57 | Eclipser | it's a it hard to irc when I lie down on my bed |
| 10:10.00 | DimGR_lap | hello |
| 10:10.23 | Snorks | Eclipser: buy a lcd projector and palce it on floor facing up on the ceiling |
| 10:10.33 | Eclipser | :p |
| 10:10.33 | Snorks | Eclipser: I suggest wireless headset too |
| 10:10.40 | Eclipser | heh |
| 10:10.42 | kevix | Eclipser: hopefull with 2 hands |
| 10:10.49 | Eclipser | with one hand |
| 10:10.51 | Snorks | kevix: lol |
| 10:10.53 | DimGR_lap | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:10.53 | Eclipser | my hands are freezing |
| 10:10.59 | DimGR_lap | is |
| 10:11.01 | Snorks | thank god they are freezing |
| 10:11.44 | Eclipser | ;_; |
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| 10:12.06 | Eclipser | apparently my driver doesn't support it |
| 10:12.06 | tiny | I deboostraped a system to a CF card, installed grub, kernel and booted into a system. After doing apt-setup I inspected the sources.list file only to find out I have a testing label in it. I would like to have stable release. How can I go back? Why did apt-setup generate testing release? |
| 10:12.13 | Eclipser | X Error of failed request: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) |
| 10:12.21 | kevix | Snorks: you could have some beer in the other... |
| 10:12.41 | Snorks | kevix: yeah as long as its not elephant |
| 10:12.50 | liable | tiny: the http line says testing or the cd? |
| 10:12.57 | KursK | anyone ever installed sata300/150 tx2plus on debian sarge? I have kernel 2.4.19, compiled the driver ulsata2 and loaded it, but it does not show on which device my harddisk is. I plugged an IDE-disk, not an SATA, on the controller (has one IDE port) |
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| 10:13.14 | tiny | liable: deb http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/ testing main |
| 10:13.15 | liable | 2.4.19?? |
| 10:13.32 | KursK | yes 2.4.19 |
| 10:13.34 | liable | tiny: did you use an old sarge installer or an etch one? |
| 10:14.04 | kevix | tiny: well, its not fun to try it with a regular pc, I'd suggest a re-install |
| 10:14.13 | DimGR_lap | anyone? |
| 10:14.14 | tiny | liable: I instaled like this: debootstrap sarge ./CF-CARD http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/ |
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| 10:14.42 | kevix | tiny: have you tried pebble linux? |
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| 10:16.08 | tiny | I'm trying to figure out why apt-setup generated "testing main" and not "stable main" |
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| 10:16.18 | liable | tiny: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=339288 |
| 10:16.26 | kevix | tiny: oh wait. did you install anything major yet????? |
| 10:16.38 | tiny | kevix: what do you mean? |
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| 10:17.00 | tiny | kevix: oh no .. just ssh server/client |
| 10:17.36 | kevix | tiny: then you should be able to edit /etc/sources.list, change testing to sarge and apt-get update. no worries!!! |
| 10:17.41 | liable | tiny: dpkg -l libc6 |
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| 10:18.16 | tiny | liable: http://rafb.net/paste/results/RzFh1Y78.html |
| 10:18.46 | liable | tiny: :( thats etch's |
| 10:18.47 | tiny | Yes libc got upadted also when installing ssh server/client |
| 10:19.10 | tiny | liable: whats etch? |
| 10:19.19 | azeem | testing |
| 10:19.22 | liable | tiny: is that all that got installed? you might be able to use dpkg |
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| 10:19.48 | kevix | liable: do you think if he change to sarge, that everything would break. he said he only install ssh/libc |
| 10:19.51 | liable | iirc theres a bug for apt-setup too. |
| 10:20.02 | pengol | hi there ho do I recofigure stable mail system settings? |
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| 10:20.17 | tiny | It's not a problem for me to reinstall everything .. just tell me what to do |
| 10:20.35 | tiny | Oh btw I'm doing this from a gentoo system with emerged debootstrap |
| 10:20.45 | tralala | pengol: something like dpkg-reconfigure exim4 I think |
| 10:20.46 | liable | kevix: libc6 is fairly major with lots of depends/conflicts. prolly will break i would say |
| 10:20.54 | kevix | tiny: just repeat but dont run apt-get setup |
| 10:21.00 | pengol | tralala: doesn't work |
| 10:21.07 | liable | exim4-config |
| 10:21.14 | azeem | tiny: then just make sure you have stable in sources.list |
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| 10:21.29 | pengol | liable: doesn't exists |
| 10:21.46 | liable | pengol: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config.. |
| 10:21.50 | anisX | hello all |
| 10:21.53 | anisX | azeem: u dont sleep ? |
| 10:21.56 | Zugschlus | !drec |
| 10:21.56 | dpkg | from memory, drec is dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config # Run it as root! |
| 10:22.09 | tiny | So ... I reinstall, and edit sources.list with stable in it and that's it? |
| 10:22.13 | pengol | liable: bingo |
| 10:22.22 | azeem | anisX: what? |
| 10:22.36 | anisX | azeem: nothing..just wondering you still here :) |
| 10:22.46 | anisX | maybe a cyborg ;p |
| 10:22.49 | azeem | anisX: sure, I didn't talk for 12 hours though |
| 10:23.11 | mrverbose | can anyone help me with /etc/security/limits.conf? I want to enforce a limit to data segment size for every user but some execptions |
| 10:23.11 | anisX | azeem: its my turn to go sleep now :) |
| 10:23.14 | mrverbose | * hard data 102400 |
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| 10:23.25 | mrverbose | how can i undo that for a special user and set it to unlimited again? |
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| 10:23.39 | rebux | hello all. someone knows if exists a program that allow to remap a personalized keyboard? |
| 10:23.40 | liable | tiny: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=313235 |
| 10:23.48 | mrverbose | rebux: xmodmap |
| 10:23.49 | vira | is there a way to use php with the thttpd debian package? |
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| 10:24.15 | liable | tiny: out of interest, dpkg -l base-config |
| 10:24.19 | rebux | mrverbose, it works only on X or in console too? |
| 10:24.47 | tiny | liable: http://rafb.net/paste/results/QksjGj80.html |
| 10:24.48 | mrverbose | rebux: x-only, you need to patch your keyboard-layout to "remap" your keyboard in console |
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| 10:25.09 | tiny | liable: I've checked that bug ... thnx |
| 10:25.12 | rebux | mrverbose, thanksù |
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| 10:25.31 | Fox | vira: I don't think so, and I think it's not it's purpose |
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| 10:26.08 | vira | i've used php with thttpd in the past, but i had to compile the support in specifically |
| 10:26.38 | liable | !info base-config sarge |
| 10:26.43 | dpkg | base-config: (Debian base system configurator), section base, is optional. Version: 2.53.10 (sarge), Packaged size: 300 kB, Installed size: 1540 kB |
| 10:26.58 | liable | hrm |
| 10:27.04 | tiny | liable: but this is an old bug ... how come it's not fixed yet? |
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| 10:28.09 | kevix | rebux: xkeycaps |
| 10:28.14 | tralala | tiny: nobody volunteered to fix it probably |
| 10:29.24 | Fox | vira: then you'll have to compile it again |
| 10:30.05 | tiny | tralala: I see. |
| 10:30.12 | liable | tiny: i have no idea, its fixed in 2.66.. but my sarge box's apt-setup works fine.. |
| 10:30.22 | rebux | kevix, i'm seeing. thanks |
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| 10:31.13 | vira | fox: ok thanks |
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| 10:32.35 | kevix | rebux: that is for X windows, not conosle |
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| 10:34.32 | Myon | base-config is obsolete and will not be part of etch |
| 10:34.38 | susperia | or more commonly know as 'X11' or 'X' :P |
| 10:34.49 | Snorks | xorg the zomg |
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| 10:37.23 | Diazepam | guys can anyone tell me why i cannot create a directory even though i belong to the owners group? |
| 10:37.37 | Diazepam | the permissions are 775 |
| 10:38.10 | Snorks | rwx, rwx, rx |
| 10:38.25 | Jhair | Diazepam: what does stat . say |
| 10:39.28 | Diazepam | sorry stat? |
| 10:39.44 | pengol | how do I tell my CPU no to vary the BUS frequency?= |
| 10:40.09 | jm_ | pengol: you mean the kernel? |
| 10:40.29 | pengol | jm_: yep :) |
| 10:40.33 | Diazepam | Access: (0775/drwxrwxr-x) Uid: ( 0/ root) Gid: ( 34/ backup) |
| 10:40.34 | jm_ | pengol: cpufreq docs |
| 10:40.51 | Diazepam | im in the group called backup |
| 10:40.54 | liable | tiny: its got me buggered with that one. my version is the standard sarge one, released june 2005, the apt-setup bug was supposedly fixed dec, but mine works fine. |
| 10:41.12 | pengol | jm_: nothing can be done under /proc/acpi? |
| 10:41.21 | SimonRaven | Diazepam: root doesn't need to be in any groups |
| 10:41.38 | Diazepam | SimonRaven - im running as another user |
| 10:41.54 | tiny | liable: oh well ... I'm doing reinstall as we speak ... and I'll edit sources.list by hand |
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| 10:42.07 | jm_ | pengol: hmm |
| 10:42.13 | pengol | jm_: is a centrino |
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| 10:43.14 | jm_ | pengol: no idea, sorry, I only use cpufreq support |
| 10:43.16 | kevix | tiny: have you checked out pebble linux |
| 10:43.40 | tiny | Myon: what does that mean "base-config is obsolete"? Sorry I'm new to this. Does it mean you won't be able to debootstrap a minimal system? |
| 10:43.44 | Diazepam | i have installed a new hard drive, installed unison, created group called 'backup', assigned user to group 'backup' and assisgned ownership of directory on new hardrive to group 'backup' but still cant get the user permission to create a directory under this |
| 10:43.50 | jm_ | pengol: maybe don't load ACPI processor module |
| 10:44.06 | tiny | kevix: no not yet ... I'm checking it right now |
| 10:44.11 | Myon | tiny: you'll be able, but only without base-config |
| 10:44.22 | jm_ | Diazepam: you need to logout after adding user to a group, or see man sg |
| 10:44.30 | jm_ | or man newgrp |
| 10:44.30 | Myon | tiny: I haven't checked the details, no idea what the replacement looks like |
| 10:44.32 | tiny | kevix: hmm .. read only distro ... very interesting |
| 10:44.44 | tiny | Myon: thnx Myon |
| 10:45.06 | kevix | tiny: it was designed for soekris boxes... are you doing something similar |
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| 10:45.20 | tiny | kevix: readonly is what I've kind of done on my debian that is installed and running for almost 2 months now .. also on a CF card |
| 10:45.51 | mylastmorning | hey kevix you there? |
| 10:45.52 | kevix | tiny: cool. |
| 10:45.54 | tiny | but it's testing and I want stable |
| 10:46.00 | pengol | jm_: how do you say when a CPU vary its frequency ? |
| 10:46.05 | mylastmorning | I've got X running and have fluxbox downloaded. |
| 10:46.10 | Diazepam | jm: you mean the user that i have added needs to log out before any changes to group membership can take effect? |
| 10:46.15 | kevix | mylastmorning: last I checked? |
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| 10:46.35 | mylastmorning | how do I get fluxbox running with X? |
| 10:46.46 | tiny | kevix: this is the board http://www.lex.com.tw:8080/product/SV823A.htm |
| 10:46.55 | raffa | look for startfluxbox |
| 10:47.34 | kevix | raffa: would startx do it or is there a 'startfluxbox' as you suggest |
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| 10:48.12 | raffa | startx is enough, i think that startfluxbox does a bit more, see man startfluxbox |
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| 10:48.40 | fluxdude | set fluxbox do default wm in /etc/alternatives and then just do startx... |
| 10:48.49 | liable | tiny: you make that? |
| 10:49.03 | tiny | liable: no I buy that :) |
| 10:49.44 | tiny | liable: it was the only board I could find with embedded video inputs |
| 10:49.46 | kevix | tiny: cool. tv-> ip ? |
| 10:50.15 | tiny | kevix: grabbing images on demand over GPRS |
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| 10:50.59 | tiny | kevix: from traffic crossroads |
| 10:51.02 | pengol | jm_: should I use some particular module for cpufreq-info? |
| 10:51.05 | jm_ | Diazepam: yes, or use sg/newgrp |
| 10:51.25 | jm_ | pengol: say or see? |
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| 10:51.25 | kevix | tiny: cool. embedded stuff. |
| 10:51.37 | liable | can you do scaling on a centrino? |
| 10:51.53 | kevix | tiny: something like a realtime traffic monitoring system? |
| 10:52.58 | pengol | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:53.02 | tiny | kevix: it's hard to say real time becouse it will be designed for crossroads that don't have copper links .. it will run over GPRS modems |
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| 10:53.43 | kevix | tiny: yea. cell phone network.... no 3G or evdo |
| 10:54.24 | tiny | kevix: yep unfortunatly .. but it's easy to scale things to serve video stream ... as long as there's good connection |
| 10:54.57 | kevix | tiny: the us is Soooo behind in networks -- cell or lanline x-) |
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| 10:55.38 | tiny | kevix: US? Hmm weird. I wouldn't think so. |
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| 10:55.55 | weasel00 | i miss my gsm phone i used in NL for a year =( *cries* |
| 10:55.57 | SimonRaven | it is. same for .ca |
| 10:56.38 | kevix | tiny: japan has better next works and there is more broadband penetration in kr,jp,de,.. and cheaper.. |
| 10:56.53 | liable | hah, we still use pidgeons.. |
| 10:57.03 | tiny | kevix: yes I thinx japan is a leader here |
| 10:57.03 | jazbo | main problem in US is that carriers are allowed to block phones that they dont provide. As I understand it this is illegal in most other countries |
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| 10:57.22 | kevix | jazbo: can you say monopoly! |
| 10:57.38 | tiny | omg ... block? This is BS. |
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| 10:57.44 | mada | kevix: we talking about microsoft? |
| 10:57.53 | tiny | I can go with my cell phone all around europe without problem |
| 10:57.55 | kevix | mada: worse... |
| 10:58.12 | mada | kevix: i must have missed a memo, there is now something worse? |
| 10:58.19 | tiny | hehe |
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| 10:58.33 | mada | do tell |
| 10:58.38 | kevix | tiny: broadband carries want to block voip if they have their own voip service |
| 10:58.53 | weasel00 | hmmm .us phones go all over north america tiny ;) |
| 10:59.22 | dino4k | how can i disable that i move a window while pressing [alt]? (it happends in gnome and blackbox so it isnt a wm setting.. ?) |
| 10:59.23 | tiny | weasel: yes but kevix was saying something about providers blocking access and stuff |
| 10:59.42 | David-SFN | ha blocking of other services, in australia ISPs are forced to allow other ISPs to provide services over their networks |
| 10:59.44 | jm_ | dino4k: it is a wm feature |
| 10:59.57 | mada | has anyone here played with eLive? |
| 11:00.06 | mada | (random thought) |
| 11:00.10 | dino4k | jm_: hm, do you know how i can disable it under gnome? |
| 11:00.13 | kevix | mada: check this out: http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060213/chester |
| 11:00.41 | kevix | tiny: http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060213/chester |
| 11:00.55 | weasel00 | tiny : some things are allowed, some things arent, really depends on a state by state basis for some things |
| 11:00.57 | jm_ | dino4k: sorry no idea, I don't use it |
| 11:01.30 | dino4k | its happend under fluxbox also :) some idea for *box ? |
| 11:01.36 | Keloran|Work | how can i install an unstable package ?? (e.g. apt-get -f firefox -unstable) ?? |
| 11:01.54 | mada | kevix: dude, fuck that ... they would open up a world wide attack of every hacker and script kiddy trying to take them down just for being douche bags .. |
| 11:02.17 | nkuttler | Keloran|Work: you probably want to /msg dpkg backports, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 11:02.18 | jm_ | Keloran|Work: on Sarge? don't |
| 11:02.20 | weasel00 | kevix : thats bad news lol |
| 11:02.24 | kevix | mada: we can only hope x-) |
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| 11:03.01 | Keloran|Work | jm_, i honsetlly have no idea what it is, its a knoppix install |
| 11:03.08 | tiny | kevix: don't worry we will build our own network. |
| 11:03.09 | mada | kevix: that would be the kind of thing where i would open my server wide open to what i assume we would call "the movement" in any way i was able to help |
| 11:03.12 | jm_ | Keloran|Work: that's not Debian then |
| 11:03.33 | Keloran|Work | apt-get is debian isnt it |
| 11:03.49 | jm_ | no, you can use apt-get on RedHat too |
| 11:03.51 | Keloran|Work | woops ment Kanottix |
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| 11:03.54 | mada | Keloran|Work: neg, apt-get is simply software these days, it used to be debian specific |
| 11:04.02 | kevix | mada: tiny weasel00 we can get a really big cluebat! |
| 11:04.04 | weasel00 | did you notice google is part of the "network neutrality" group.. they are selling the search enteries from their db.. lmao |
| 11:04.40 | kevix | weasel00: yea. |
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| 11:05.09 | mada | Keloran|Work: you can use apt-get on Mac OS X and rpm based distros, so apt-get doesn't really mean you are on a debian system anymore ... just kinda goes to show how much the debian community has influenced the software world |
| 11:05.14 | weasel00 | almost makes me regret applying there ;) |
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| 11:05.40 | Keloran|Work | whilst that is true, my sources.list only has debian urls in |
| 11:05.46 | weasel00 | mada : apt-get was ported to FC also |
| 11:05.55 | kevix | weasel00: wait, they are fighting the court order. |
| 11:06.15 | mada | weasel00: FC = Fedora Core? |
| 11:06.28 | weasel00 | mada : *nods* |
| 11:06.28 | Snorks | mv worldwide.yum worldwide.apt |
| 11:06.34 | Snorks | yum is seriously "plz" |
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| 11:06.46 | mada | weasel00: that is a rpm based distro, i mentioned those ;) |
| 11:07.08 | jazbo | What I meant was that in say Europe, I can buy a phone from anywhere and use it with my provider. In the US, providers only allow branded phones to be used by subscribers to thier network. This is why Verizon is able to make money even when their selling crippled phones that have bluetooth file transfers disabled and such. These monopolistic practices are illegal in other parts off the world. Okay sorry for the trolling but I h |
| 11:07.11 | Snorks | and the fun part is you can write "yum install apt" :P |
| 11:07.29 | weasel00 | mada : my bad.. missed part of that line |
| 11:07.41 | kevix | jazbo: you are correct. |
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| 11:08.01 | tralala | Keloran|Work: that's a great way to destroy your OS - mix packages from different distributions. |
| 11:08.50 | weasel00 | jazbo : simcard phones work on various providers they just snarl at you a little :) |
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| 11:08.54 | kevix | jazbo: on top of that I assume the DMCA stop you from 'fixing' the bluetooth |
| 11:09.23 | tralala | Keloran|Work: anyhow, irrc apt-get -t unstable install package or apt-get install package/unstable |
| 11:09.34 | Keloran|Work | tralala, ty |
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| 11:10.14 | mada | weasel00: no worries my friend :D |
| 11:10.49 | weasel00 | kevix : net neutrality, 2nd paragraph, ...this is a shcock? its been going on like that "proposed situation" for years.. this is too funny to read =D |
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| 11:14.32 | pengol | jm_: powersaved was the right tool, very powerfull |
| 11:15.34 | kevix | weasel00: I read an summary of an article on boingboing.net about privacy and you data is at least stored you your isp network and is backup for years. |
| 11:16.43 | weasel00 | kevix : then my paranioa has been paying off as i have slowly moved everything to private servers more and more over the years |
| 11:17.19 | kevix | weasel00: love the tinfoil hat, eh ;-) |
| 11:17.34 | jm_ | pengol: that looks just like userspace governow for cpufreq |
| 11:17.48 | weasel00 | kevix : i think it complimentsthe rest of the suit nicely ;) |
| 11:18.08 | pengol | jm_: it is enough for me :) |
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| 11:18.47 | weasel00 | kevix : funny how everyone is twisted up over the fcc vs bells and no one noticed the fcc killing of the radio broadcasting *sigh |
| 11:18.49 | jazbo | My paranoia has always told me that the more encrypted traffic 'they' see coming to and from your computer they closer they'll watch you... |
| 11:19.30 | kevix | weasel00: the a-hole is closing x-) now you can only have digital tv, radio,... |
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| 11:19.58 | alexey__ | anyone - how to hceck printer vs. Postscript standard ? |
| 11:20.18 | kevix | !cups |
| 11:20.18 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, cups is a spiffy new printing system. or available under the GPL since june 1999., or making loads of trouble if you try to use it. what breast size?, or available at http://www.cups.org (or so says http://www.easysw.com), or see cups-unstable, or http://localhost:631/admin, or see cups setup |
| 11:20.21 | jazbo | Has anyone read "Free Culture"? Very cool book (and free!) |
| 11:20.38 | weasel00 | jazbo : *knock *knock .. Mr Jones, why are you trammitting so many packets with terabyte encryption methods? "well, i was afriad my foil hat might not work on my email." |
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| 11:21.36 | jazbo | lol |
| 11:22.50 | kevix | weasel00: im sure you heard that hdtv will not work with home-built comptuers |
| 11:22.56 | weasel00 | jazbo : i dont think they would be interested much after seeing me walk to the door with suit on, holding a bag of twinkies =) http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/comments/3039/ "read the first quoate" |
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| 11:24.49 | mada | kevix: there is an open source project that mimics the functionality of windows media center that i thought had hd support .... or am i uninformed on that? |
| 11:24.58 | weasel00 | kevix : i heard about it but didnt look into much. i was busy um, "fixing" xbox's and looking into digital cable |
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| 11:26.02 | kevix | mada: didnt hear about that. it was about the hdmi? interface and 'officlal'ly supporteed hardware |
| 11:26.07 | jazbo | weasel00: haha. Actually I once had a spoiled hoho. Not quite a twinkie but man was it gross... all green on the inside while I only discovered after taking a bite... |
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| 11:26.21 | jazbo | while --> which |
| 11:26.28 | kevix | jazbo: eeeeeeeeeeeeeee. |
| 11:26.31 | weasel00 | jazbo : sure it wasnt one from st patty's day? |
| 11:26.44 | mada | kevix: not entirely sure to be honest, i heard about it from a friend who was making a home-brew dvi for his parents |
| 11:26.55 | kevix | weasel00: hoho's with cornbeef filling! |
| 11:26.58 | greench | could someone tell me a "low memory" IDE for c/c++ |
| 11:27.00 | greench | :) |
| 11:27.04 | jazbo | weasel00: pretty sure it tasted like socks |
| 11:27.09 | weasel00 | kevix : cornbeef *shudder* |
| 11:27.11 | kevix | greench: vi? |
| 11:27.39 | liable | cornbeef rocks. (if its the same as corned beef here) |
| 11:28.29 | David-SFN | dont suppose anyone can answere this for me "What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running |
| 11:28.29 | David-SFN | kernel? |
| 11:28.34 | kevix | greench: xwpe ? |
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| 11:29.16 | kevix | David-SFN: /lib/module/$(uname -r) |
| 11:29.51 | David-SFN | thanks kevix |
| 11:30.14 | weasel00 | *stands on soap box* the next things since slicest bread will be the combination of x10, ipod, mobile-phone-pda, gps, tin foil balls that will respond to your every whim in a sultry voice of your choosing... and do the dishes *puts foil hat back on and hides in his bomb shelter with twinkies and pet cockraoch |
| 11:30.18 | kevix | David-SFN: /usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r)/ |
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| 11:31.24 | David-SFN | :) is it not such a good idea to install something as root? |
| 11:31.38 | liable | David-SFN: if you dont know, then you prolly need to install them |
| 11:31.46 | kevix | David-SFN: you nornall have to. you build as user |
| 11:32.19 | Snorks | What's the flag called that makes you root while the program is being run? |
| 11:32.22 | Snorks | i? |
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| 11:32.36 | Snorks | not flag.. but not sure what to call it |
| 11:32.40 | Snorks | the rights |
| 11:32.42 | SlammerXP | Snorks: google? |
| 11:32.43 | kevix | suid ? |
| 11:32.46 | Snorks | no no |
| 11:32.47 | liable | sudo or fakeroot |
| 11:32.52 | Snorks | no i mean rights |
| 11:33.03 | Snorks | link = lrwxrwxrwx for example |
| 11:33.17 | Snorks | temporary root status is i? |
| 11:33.18 | kevix | !donuts |
| 11:33.33 | David-SFN | that makes some sense, i'm about 27 hours new to linux so i'm just lost atm |
| 11:34.29 | David-SFN | i'm still having trouble with the kernal headers |
| 11:34.43 | David-SFN | i've tried both those but it's just saying is not existing directory |
| 11:34.59 | liable | you need to install them.. |
| 11:35.04 | kevix | David-SFN: did you install 'build-essential' ? |
| 11:35.13 | David-SFN | no? |
| 11:35.17 | liable | the headers! |
| 11:35.19 | sussudio_ | !b-e David-SFN |
| 11:35.20 | dpkg | David-SFN: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 11:35.55 | kevix | David-SFN: debian has these labor-saving devices called 'meta-packages'. build-essential is on. |
| 11:35.59 | kevix | David-SFN: debian has these labor-saving devices called 'meta-packages'. build-essential is one. |
| 11:36.14 | mr_claus_ | is there any tool available to test the network performance between two machines? |
| 11:36.16 | David-SFN | alright, i just did apt-get install build-essential |
| 11:36.36 | kevix | mr_claus_: copy a large file between them? |
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| 11:37.55 | David-SFN | am i to take it /usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r)/ means /usr/src/linux-headers-$(root -r)/ or litterally? |
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| 11:38.10 | jm_ | David-SFN: literally |
| 11:38.11 | mr_claus_ | kevix: any tool which generates random data and print out the network speed? |
| 11:38.19 | petemc | mr_claus_: iperf |
| 11:38.30 | mr_claus_ | petemc: thx |
| 11:38.43 | kevix | uname is a command. uname -r will print kernel name |
| 11:38.44 | Jhair | mr_claus_: netperf (non-free) |
| 11:38.57 | greench | kevix, ok i test the xwpe compile a very simple source - OK run it nothing say onother one |
| 11:39.01 | David-SFN | clever |
| 11:39.03 | greench | :) |
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| 11:39.17 | David-SFN | The path "/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r)" is not an existing directory. |
| 11:39.26 | weasel00 | night |
| 11:39.38 | kevix | David-SFN: ok. cd /usr/src/ |
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| 11:39.47 | kevix | David-SFN: see what is there |
| 11:40.00 | David-SFN | nothing |
| 11:40.17 | emergo | apt-get install openoffice.org on the amd64 version I get. openoffice.org-common: Depends: openoffice.org-core (> 2.0.1) but it is not installable |
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| 11:40.36 | David-SFN | kevix: empty folder |
| 11:40.38 | uwe | can anyone help me out with my wirless network? i dont know how to continue debugging, i belive tha my wg111 v1 is working, i configure it with iwconfig, but still no luck in getting connected! |
| 11:41.52 | kevix | David-SFN: type: dpkg -l linux-headers* |
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| 11:42.24 | kevix | uwe: /sbin/ifdown eth0; /sbin/ifup eth0 |
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| 11:43.15 | liable | David-SFN: you running sarge/stable? |
| 11:43.32 | uwe | kevix, i tried restarting it!, its no good , btw, its called wlan0 by me |
| 11:43.33 | David-SFN | No packages found matching linux-headers* |
| 11:43.45 | David-SFN | liable: i assume so, 3.1r1 |
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| 11:44.09 | kevix | uwe: if does iwconfig show an ip address? |
| 11:44.09 | David-SFN | i am yet to work out which one is sarge, i'm under the impression that it's 3.1 and woody is 3 tho |
| 11:44.13 | David-SFN | so i would say yes |
| 11:44.24 | liable | David-SFN: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 11:45.04 | David-SFN | liable: this looks promising |
| 11:45.06 | aaron_ | kevix |
| 11:45.08 | aaron_ | are you there? |
| 11:45.10 | uwe | kevix, um, no |
| 11:45.16 | aaron_ | crap |
| 11:45.17 | aaron_ | >.> |
| 11:45.21 | aaron_ | can someone help me with X? |
| 11:45.22 | kevix | aaron_: still alive. |
| 11:45.32 | Eclipser | !ask |
| 11:45.32 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 11:45.39 | aaron_ | hey kevix this is mylastmorning again |
| 11:45.48 | aaron_ | I've got X running with flexbox |
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| 11:45.50 | Mado | Hi Peaple What's Up? |
| 11:45.59 | kevix | aaron_: coool. |
| 11:45.59 | uwe | kevix, but ifconfig does |
| 11:46.01 | aaron_ | ok |
| 11:46.08 | aaron_ | so I need some help with x kevix |
| 11:46.25 | aaron_ | how do I change resolutions in X kevix? |
| 11:46.33 | kevix | uwe: what does 'route' show? |
| 11:46.35 | David-SFN | liable: it appears i have headers thanks, now i just need to remember where the vmware installer was to put the values in :p thanks |
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| 11:47.01 | aaron_ | does anyone use fluxbox? |
| 11:47.30 | uwe | um, whats this rooms patebin? |
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| 11:47.34 | uwe | paste* |
| 11:48.24 | kevix | well there are a few ways. one is redoing 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' and change the setting for which it is setup |
| 11:48.55 | liable | !tell uwe about paste |
| 11:48.58 | kevix | aaron_: or you can edit the /etc/X11/XFree86-4 and change the values there and restart X |
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| 11:49.37 | kevix | aaron_: or use do control-shift-+ |
| 11:49.46 | tarzeau | !seen abrotman |
| 11:49.46 | dpkg | abrotman <n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 7h 36m 16s ago, saying: 'so sleep .. i am!'. |
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| 11:50.30 | kevix | uwe: I'd install 'wavemon' and monitor things. |
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| 11:51.11 | uwe | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2073 |
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| 11:51.50 | wdamn | Hi, howto substitute the name of some file with a shell script? |
| 11:52.09 | uwe | wdamn, mv ? |
| 11:52.15 | liable | !abrotmoo |
| 11:52.15 | dpkg | maaaan! I am abrotmoo, hear me man, I weigh twice as much as moon, I'm a man, eating grass, factoid gas comes out my ass. I'm a man, you are too; join us all! type !moo. |
| 11:52.20 | David-SFN | yay i got things running, big thanks to kevix at liable, thanks guys |
| 11:52.34 | kevix | uwe: ok you have 2 interfaces up and 2 gateways |
| 11:52.47 | wdamn | uwe: I meant recursevely, for a lot of files in a lot of directory |
| 11:52.52 | Jhair | wdamn: rename |
| 11:53.13 | liable | thats a funky routing table.. |
| 11:53.21 | wdamn | Jhair, thanx |
| 11:53.32 | kevix | uwe: or is that 4 interfaces. I've only setup with 1 interface. not sure what to do with 4? |
| 11:54.28 | kevix | liable: how do you handle more than 1 gateway and 4 interfaces? |
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| 11:55.18 | liable | kevix: i dont know about more than one gateway, but more than one interface is ok for different networks. |
| 11:55.29 | aaron_ | kevix how do I edit /etc/X11/XFree86-4 |
| 11:55.30 | kevix | liable: ok. |
| 11:55.47 | liable | which seems to be the point of that table, although slightly screwed. |
| 11:55.49 | uwe | i have 2 virual ones, ill remove those, and ill remove the eth0 one, but itll disconnect me from this vnc session, so ill have to login on the linux machine again , but i also try dhclient wlan0, and its no good |
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| 11:56.36 | kevix | aaron_: what does 'grep Modes /etc/X11/XF86Config-4' show? |
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| 11:56.54 | johaBBa | in a crontab, can i make the MAILTO variable an email address instead of a userid? |
| 11:57.25 | liable | uwe: what driver does it use? |
| 11:57.36 | aaron_ | 800x600 kevix |
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| 11:57.54 | kevix | aaron_: so you want bigger than 800x600 ? |
| 11:58.19 | aaron_ | yes. I want it to be like... 1280x1024 thats the right porportion correct? |
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| 11:58.36 | kevix | aaron_: what kind of video card do you have |
| 11:58.38 | uwe | liable, i used the wg111 WINXP .inf file with ndiswrapper |
| 11:58.45 | aaron_ | nvidia riva 128 |
| 11:58.52 | tarzeau | someone with x want to test a new game? |
| 11:58.53 | liable | ah, ok. |
| 11:59.12 | kevix | tarzeau: bubnbros ? |
| 11:59.18 | tarzeau | kevix: no, a new game... |
| 11:59.27 | kevix | aaron_: you can use the nv driver. |
| 11:59.28 | liable | uwe: paste your interfaces file to paster |
| 11:59.29 | tarzeau | kevix: that's like 4 months old |
| 11:59.37 | Eclipser | how good support does linux have for pcmcia wlan cards nowadays? |
| 11:59.41 | aaron_ | kevix how? |
| 11:59.49 | Eclipser | is there something I should absolutely avoid, etc? |
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| 12:00.08 | kevix | aaron_: you could dpkg-reconfiure xserver-xfree and select 'nv' driver |
| 12:00.13 | aaron_ | k |
| 12:00.34 | bartden | anyone here who knows a howto on installing a Ati Radeon on debian ?? |
| 12:00.40 | tarzeau | !ati |
| 12:00.41 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseAti |
| 12:00.41 | kevix | aaron_: just remeber you settings ! |
| 12:00.43 | uwe | liable, i dont have an entry for wlan0 yet!, im trying to configure it first! |
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| 12:01.11 | aaron_ | kevix! its not working |
| 12:01.24 | kevix | aaron_: you chose 'nv' ? |
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| 12:01.41 | Snorks | What I meant earlier with the flag that makes you temporary root is the sticky bit |
| 12:01.42 | aaron_ | no the command you gave was incorrect stynax. |
| 12:01.45 | Snorks | "sticky bit" |
| 12:02.05 | kevix | aaron_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 12:02.22 | Snorks | like passwd in /usr/bin, rwsr-xr-x |
| 12:02.31 | kevix | tarzeau: so... where can I get this new leet game! |
| 12:02.32 | sherdog | Hi all. Where can I go with questions about memtest? |
| 12:02.40 | liable | uwe: well, if you are doing that, make sure you ifdown eth0 first |
| 12:02.57 | liable | uwe: with 2 gateways set, you wont have much luck. |
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| 12:03.31 | BarryAllen | hi all |
| 12:03.43 | uwe | i just installed wavemon, the values are: link quality: 0/100 , signal level: -256 dBm (0.00 uW) , │noise level: -256 dBm (0.00 uW) |
| 12:03.43 | tarzeau | kevix: http://io.debian.net/~tar/debian/moleinvasion/ |
| 12:03.53 | BarryAllen | good morning for all GMT -3 |
| 12:03.59 | tarzeau | kevix: you might want to patch it until it finds the data files ;) or wait until i do.... |
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| 12:04.29 | kevix | BarryAllen: I'm at GMT-5 |
| 12:04.32 | uwe | ill go shutdown eth0 and its route, i belive i will be disconnected , so brb |
| 12:04.38 | liable | tarzeau: screenshots? |
| 12:04.51 | tarzeau | liable: check the homepage, it looks great (from .fr, they can do graphics) |
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| 12:05.21 | kevix | tarzeau: the client is 60k? the data 2.7mb |
| 12:05.38 | emergo | apt-get install openoffice.org on the amd64 version I get. openoffice.org-common: Depends: openoffice.org-core (> 2.0.1) but it is not installable. ANY? |
| 12:05.57 | tarzeau | kevix: yes? |
| 12:06.27 | kevix | tarzeau: why seperate the client if its 60k? |
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| 12:06.43 | liable | emergo: check the bts, file a bug, wait. |
| 12:06.45 | tarzeau | kevix: because the client might get updates, and the data not |
| 12:06.48 | tarzeau | kevix: or the other way around |
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| 12:07.03 | tarzeau | kevix: and then people will be able to not download 2.6mb and play the new version |
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| 12:07.09 | herbi | bed! |
| 12:07.26 | kevix | tarzeau: all true. |
| 12:07.28 | emergo | liable: where do I find bts |
| 12:07.49 | kevix | emergo: bugs.debian.org/packagename |
| 12:07.50 | liable | !bts |
| 12:07.50 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
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| 12:08.35 | liable | i dont know about the 64 version though |
| 12:08.51 | liable | emergo: try #debian-amd64 |
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| 12:09.57 | kevix | tarzeau: I just saw the ITP! |
| 12:10.08 | liran | can i remotely access my current gnome desktop at work? |
| 12:10.32 | liable | yes |
| 12:10.32 | dino4k | liran: yes, try vnc |
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| 12:10.44 | Jhair | vnc is slow... |
| 12:10.52 | redblade | Hi |
| 12:10.53 | liran | can i use x? |
| 12:10.56 | kevix | liable: or use ssh |
| 12:11.01 | dino4k | Jhair: x is slower |
| 12:11.03 | liable | ok |
| 12:11.03 | redblade | I have a question regarding Apache |
| 12:11.22 | kevix | liran: you can use ssh w or w/o graphics |
| 12:11.31 | liran | ok |
| 12:11.32 | liran | cool |
| 12:11.44 | liable | !tell liran -about sshx |
| 12:12.04 | redblade | I'm on a router, and I have a port forwarded. |
| 12:12.16 | blenda | !tell blenda -about sshx |
| 12:12.22 | Jhair | dino4k: ssh is faster :) |
| 12:12.22 | liran | kevix, but im talking about seeing my actual x desktop. ssh -X i know of. but that helps me launch applications only. not the actual desktop. doesn' it? |
| 12:12.30 | redblade | I was wondering what the risk is to me or to the other people on the router. |
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| 12:12.46 | SlammerXP | redblade: risk of what? |
| 12:12.55 | dino4k | Jhair: :) |
| 12:12.55 | redblade | Of intrusion |
| 12:13.15 | SlammerXP | redblade: there is risk of intrusion |
| 12:13.21 | kevix | liran: you mean you dont just want to use console or non-X apps? |
| 12:13.25 | SlammerXP | redblade: this much <----------> |
| 12:13.28 | SlammerXP | (Not to scale) |
| 12:13.32 | redblade | lol |
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| 12:14.22 | redblade | Really though, is having a site hosted a major security risk |
| 12:14.23 | redblade | ? |
| 12:14.55 | liran | kevix: my bad. |
| 12:14.57 | petemc | redblade: depends on the site, there are php forums, for example, that are prone to exploitation |
| 12:15.00 | liran | kevix: its ok |
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| 12:15.11 | tarzeau | kevix: hehe :) |
| 12:15.15 | redblade | Well, basically it's HTMl |
| 12:15.30 | redblade | and maybe it will have JavaScript later |
| 12:15.35 | petemc | redblade: as long as apache is up to date, shouldnt be a problem really |
| 12:15.38 | kevix | tarzeau: steve kemp just sent a path! |
| 12:15.45 | redblade | I'm using 2.2 |
| 12:15.46 | tarzeau | kevix: i've seen that as well ;) |
| 12:15.47 | BarryAllen | anyone are using cbq on sarge there? |
| 12:16.13 | redblade | Okay thabks |
| 12:16.27 | redblade | Also how do I get language support on Debain |
| 12:16.29 | redblade | ? |
| 12:16.30 | tarzeau | kevix: i'll have to fix some other things still: paths to find the data, remove non-free fonts and replace them by free ones |
| 12:16.39 | tarzeau | redblade: what language? which software? |
| 12:17.14 | redblade | human language, Chinese, German, as in support for non english letters and characters |
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| 12:18.16 | kevix | redblade: there is console support, X support, window manager support and input method support |
| 12:18.29 | mr_claus_ | hmmm, iperf gives me 77 mbit and the samba performance is 200kbit, in both directions which means as server and as client |
| 12:19.20 | redblade | kevix, when I use google, language tools, I get a blank box instead of Korean, Japanese, Chinese etc |
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| 12:19.31 | redblade | although roman alphabets seem fine |
| 12:19.39 | kevix | redblade: that means you need fonts! |
| 12:19.53 | redblade | On the web? |
| 12:20.22 | kevix | redblade: the font are read from your computer and displayed in the web browser |
| 12:20.32 | redblade | okay cool |
| 12:20.39 | redblade | and for my last problem, |
| 12:21.03 | redblade | when Debian shuts down, it gets to a blinking cursor and then just stops |
| 12:22.48 | kevix | redblade: you may need: ttf-baekmuk ttf-kochi-gothic ttf-kochi-mincho xfonts-base-transcoded |
| 12:23.11 | redblade | from synaptic? |
| 12:23.43 | kevix | redblade: or from apt-get, or aptitude ... |
| 12:23.50 | redblade | k |
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| 12:24.50 | raf256 | !smite damn FTP mirror admins for fucking up signing key |
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| 12:25.01 | azeem | raf256: chill |
| 12:25.15 | raf256 | azeem: I have now 3 machine fucked up / polluted |
| 12:25.23 | azeem | raf256: polluted? |
| 12:25.29 | raf256 | how to "flush" apt-cache, removing already downloaded, wrongly signed, keys? |
| 12:25.37 | azeem | wrongly signed keys? |
| 12:25.38 | raf256 | and how to flush apt-proxy? |
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| 12:25.50 | raf256 | azeem: "BADSIG? Some mirrors borked. Use a different mirror" |
| 12:26.00 | azeem | so use a different mirror |
| 12:26.01 | kevix | tarzeau: got font error with mole game. |
| 12:26.13 | raf256 | but my apt-proxy alredy downloaded the b0rked packages |
| 12:26.17 | raf256 | and store them |
| 12:26.31 | azeem | so read the documentation? |
| 12:26.34 | gary | I have a new keyboard, it is a USB one rather than PS/2. Any ideas on how to get this to work in debian. I rebooted (as I also have a new monitor), but the keyboard wouldn't respond. I'm using my PS/2 one atm, any suggestions? |
| 12:26.42 | wireddd | will nvidia-glx work with xorg? |
| 12:26.57 | raf256 | azeem: do you know how to refresh it? I think it is not possible without deleting and reloading entire freaking cache |
| 12:27.02 | raf256 | which is a problem on my slow connection |
| 12:27.16 | Holborn | wireddd: yes |
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| 12:27.32 | jm_ | gary: do you have usbhid module loaded? |
| 12:27.50 | jvw | raf256: it's "unstable" for a reason, that's not only the packages, but also mirroring |
| 12:27.55 | wireddd | it does require the kernel module right? |
| 12:28.00 | raf256 | jvw: only unstable is b0rked? |
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| 12:28.21 | jvw | and testing |
| 12:28.33 | azeem | raf256: uhm, isn't this (bad signature due to mirror bork) exactly what this is about? |
| 12:28.44 | jvw | stable should be fine |
| 12:28.47 | azeem | raf256: why did you download those .debs in the first place if they have bad signatures? |
| 12:28.55 | raf256 | stable is old as for my needs |
| 12:29.09 | gary | jm_: |
| 12:29.12 | kevix | jvw: joey was bloging about all kinds of machine connection problem? |
| 12:29.12 | gary | I'll check |
| 12:29.21 | raf256 | azeem: apt-get update |
| 12:29.23 | gary | jm_: yes |
| 12:29.37 | jvw | kevix: unrelated |
| 12:30.07 | azeem | raf256: that doesn't download .debs, does it? |
| 12:30.27 | raf256 | azeem: well, and && apt-get dist-upgrade as usuall |
| 12:30.47 | tricky | Hey! Im running debian/stable and i have installed the following package: "kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386" and im wondeing if this package: "kernel-source-2.6.8" is the corresponding kernel source? If not where can i find the corresponding kernel source? |
| 12:31.04 | jvw | tricky: that's the corresponding source indeed |
| 12:31.20 | gary | To change my screen resolution, would I edit the XF86Config-4 file? |
| 12:31.22 | azeem | raf256: so that should warn you about bad sigs, no? |
| 12:31.24 | raf256 | azeem: Im on really slow connection here :( and I was happy to have apt-proxy cached most of testing and unstable, so I can quickly install debian to new boxes |
| 12:31.27 | kevix | tricky: apt-cache search $(uname -r) |
| 12:31.40 | tricky | jvw then why is the names different? (Im just curious) |
| 12:31.40 | raf256 | azeem: yes it warned, so I didnt do the upgrade |
| 12:31.45 | kevix | tricky: opps. never mind |
| 12:31.49 | azeem | raf256: so what's the problem? |
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| 12:31.57 | jm_ | gary: and relevant underlying USB modules too? |
| 12:32.03 | Jhair | too many machines down in a short frame... |
| 12:32.07 | gary | sI have usbcore too |
| 12:32.22 | jm_ | usbcore is not enough |
| 12:32.26 | raf256 | azeem: if I just change mirror url in apt-proxy, it will download the correctly signed packages? even if it thinks it already downloaded them (from different mirror)? |
| 12:32.51 | jvw | tricky: both binary packages are built from the same source package, the one has the source copied, the other has a kernel built from it |
| 12:33.13 | gary | jm_: ok, what else do I need? |
| 12:33.23 | gary | usbcore 121980 5 ehci_hcd,ohci_hcd,usbhid,uhci_hcd |
| 12:33.26 | gary | that's what lsmod output |
| 12:33.27 | azeem | raf256: why did it download bad stuff? |
| 12:33.31 | kevix | jvw: are you at cebit? |
| 12:33.33 | tarzeau | kevix: yep , paths are wrong. thanks, will fix it when i have x and linux again locally (at home) |
| 12:33.46 | raf256 | azeem: hmm wait.. perhaps it is working now after all |
| 12:33.59 | kevix | tarzeau: that fixes the font problem? |
| 12:34.11 | tarzeau | looks nice, doesn't it? http://altair.dcs.elf.stuba.sk/~diablos/menubar |
| 12:34.21 | jm_ | gary: that's OK, is it listed in /proc/bus/input/devices? |
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| 12:34.28 | tarzeau | kevix: no the game thinks the data is all in the default dir, where you start the game |
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| 12:34.32 | azeem | !smite raf256 for gratuitous flamage of volunteers |
| 12:34.34 | tarzeau | kevix: typical windows development style |
| 12:34.38 | mejo | hello |
| 12:34.48 | kevix | tarzeau: could I move the data as a hack? |
| 12:34.49 | tarzeau | kevix: supertransball2 and mazeofgalious were the same. they'll need a bunch of chdirs |
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| 12:35.03 | tricky | jvw but there is also a package named "kernel-image-2.6-386" you might think that this was built with another kernel source than "kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386" |
| 12:35.07 | tarzeau | kevix: yes put it all in the directory you are in, and then launch the game |
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| 12:35.11 | tarzeau | kevix: that should work |
| 12:35.12 | mejo | why do i have only 8 ttys (tty1-tty6, tty8 and tty9) while all until tty12 are configured in /etc/inittab? |
| 12:35.22 | tarzeau | kevix: or cd /usr/share/games/wahtever-data/ |
| 12:35.31 | mejo | what else than /etc/inittab is responsible for ttys? |
| 12:35.33 | jm_ | mejo: were they added after you booted? |
| 12:35.45 | tarzeau | kevix: oh tell me if that works |
| 12:35.55 | gary | jm_: in XF86Config-4 it says: there is one usb thing there, not sure what iti s though. It's name is; 1267:0103 |
| 12:36.01 | gary | but nothing obvious that I can see |
| 12:36.04 | mejo | jm_: this is the case for several months, and i rebooted hundreds of times. |
| 12:36.10 | raf256 | !smitesmite azeem |
| 12:36.16 | jm_ | mejo: how do the lines look like? |
| 12:36.18 | jvw | tricky: it's all the same sources, just different options |
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| 12:36.27 | azeem | raf256: I don't have much sympathy for you |
| 12:36.31 | jm_ | gary: ehh? you don't nbeed to modify XF86Config-4 for it to work |
| 12:36.31 | mejo | 9:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty9 |
| 12:36.31 | mejo | 10:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty10 |
| 12:36.35 | tricky | jvm ok thanks |
| 12:36.36 | jvw | kevix: no, haven't been at cebit |
| 12:36.46 | mejo | jm_: tty9 exists, but tty10 does not exist any more. |
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| 12:36.51 | redblade | !smite redblade (just for the sake of it) |
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| 12:37.01 | redblade | Hurray |
| 12:37.06 | fireba11 | raf256: hm .. that smite is stilll AD&D .. there is no +10 in later versions ;-) |
| 12:37.07 | jm_ | mejo: do you have device files created? |
| 12:37.12 | mr_claus_ | errors in the network interface card statistic means a damaged network card or could it be a driver problem too? |
| 12:37.14 | azeem | redblade: please do not abuse the bot |
| 12:37.18 | azeem | redblade: or /msg it |
| 12:37.29 | raf256 | fireba11: I play crawl =) |
| 12:37.40 | redblade | Awww. But everyone else was doing it! |
| 12:37.55 | mejo | jm_: yes, udev runs, and all device files up to tty63 exist. |
| 12:37.58 | kevix | tarzeau: yea! ln -s /usr/games/moleinvasion /usr/share/games/moleinvasion/ |
| 12:38.03 | gary | jm_: well ok, Shall I try plugging the keyboard in, then do a dmesg? |
| 12:38.07 | mejo | jm_: maybe udev is the problem? |
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| 12:38.15 | gary | oh heh |
| 12:38.17 | gary | it works jm_ |
| 12:38.19 | gary | weird |
| 12:38.20 | jm_ | mejo: ok, I have no idea about udev, I never used it, but perhaps try starting it by hand |
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| 12:38.29 | tarzeau | kevix: how's the gameplay? sound? effects? |
| 12:38.31 | jm_ | gary: what have you changed? |
| 12:38.36 | gary | nothing |
| 12:38.37 | gary | :D |
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| 12:38.37 | tarzeau | kevix: got opengl? is it needed or fast enough? what cpu you got? |
| 12:38.39 | jm_ | heh |
| 12:38.40 | gary | Hello from my new keyboard |
| 12:38.52 | mejo | jm_: try starting what by hand? udev? |
| 12:38.56 | gary | Now I've just got to get my new 19" tft working |
| 12:39.00 | jm_ | mejo: getty |
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| 12:39.18 | gary | jm_: I would like the change the resolution. I am using fluxbox, should I edit XF86Config-4 |
| 12:39.37 | mejo | jm_: i started '/sbin/getty 38400 tty10' on tty1, but still tty10 does not exist. |
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| 12:39.45 | jm_ | gary: well it's best to use Debian's tool to do this, read what dpkg is going to tell you |
| 12:39.48 | jm_ | !drxx gary |
| 12:39.48 | dpkg | gary: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 12:39.52 | jm_ | !tell gary -about xmd5 |
| 12:40.07 | kevix | tarzeau: it could not find the world.wld file x-) |
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| 12:40.23 | jm_ | mejo: as in there's nothing on tty10? did you try switching with alt-left/right? chvt? |
| 12:40.29 | tarzeau | kevix: oops :) |
| 12:40.39 | tarzeau | kevix: forgot that it's in the default dir , see source tarball |
| 12:40.48 | tarzeau | kevix: you know, the game had no install target at all |
| 12:40.49 | kevix | tarzeau: 800myz/192mb/nv |
| 12:41.14 | tarzeau | kevix: the thing is, sdl is broken on kfreebsd... and i'll need to move it to linux, fix it, move it back.... :( |
| 12:41.14 | kevix | tarzeau: so. I should wait for tomarrow? |
| 12:41.14 | mejo | jm_: ah, interesting. i'm able to switch to tty10, 11 and 12 via alt-left/right. but not via alt-F10/F11/F12. |
| 12:41.20 | tarzeau | kevix: or tonight later |
| 12:41.22 | jm_ | mejo: hah |
| 12:41.23 | mejo | jm_: any idea why this could be |
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| 12:41.38 | kevix | tarzeau: you work on debian/kfreebsd? |
| 12:41.45 | tarzeau | kevix: yep |
| 12:41.47 | tarzeau | kevix: are you dd? |
| 12:41.54 | jm_ | mejo: dumpkeys and look if it's the same for those keys as for say f1/f2/f3 |
| 12:41.56 | kevix | tarzeau: why not hurd? x-) |
| 12:42.12 | tarzeau | kevix: i want sound! hurd's got no sound |
| 12:42.13 | kevix | tarzeau: nope, not yet. |
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| 12:42.17 | tarzeau | kevix: and hurd has not built 80% of sid |
| 12:42.32 | tarzeau | kevix: check #gnu-kbsd , it's installed quickly, works pretty good |
| 12:42.45 | mejo | jm_: also, from x (tty7) ctrl+alt+f10,f11,f12 works. only from another tty it doesn't work. |
| 12:42.53 | kevix | tarzeau: oh well those darn requiremnt for 1st class arch |
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| 12:43.05 | proxy | Hi i am trying to configure apache as a web server in Debian i am used to Redhat method but the same thing does not seem to work in debian |
| 12:43.16 | jm_ | mejo: even ctrl-alt-f10/11/12 in console doesn't work? |
| 12:43.27 | proxy | can any1 help pls |
| 12:43.28 | mejo | jm_: how can i check whether the code from dumpkeys is identical to the ones my keyboard gives? |
| 12:43.33 | tarzeau | kevix: did you know there's also kfreebsd-amd64 already? |
| 12:43.35 | mejo | jm_: no, only from X11, not from the console. |
| 12:43.59 | jm_ | mejo: run dumpkeys and compare the settings |
| 12:44.03 | jazbo | Hey folks, where is there a guide on all the cool ! type doohickies on this channel? |
| 12:44.04 | tarzeau | kevix: i think debian gnu/kfreebsd will be something important. and did you check a few packages.d.o , gnu/kfreebsd are like 1/3 smaller than all other arhcs |
| 12:44.05 | mejo | jm_: seems indeed like f10,f11 and f12 have the wrong keycode on the console. |
| 12:44.09 | kevix | tarzeau: yikes! kfreebsd-amd64-ulibc? |
| 12:44.18 | mejo | jm_: compare the settings with what? |
| 12:44.18 | tarzeau | kevix: ask #gnu-kbsd |
| 12:44.31 | jm_ | mejo: I have already told you -- > mejo: dumpkeys and look if it's the same for those keys as for say f1/f2/f3 |
| 12:44.31 | tarzeau | kevix: aurel and nyu are very competent answering such questions |
| 12:44.47 | kevix | tarzeau: its a joke! at least for now... |
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| 12:44.55 | proxy | i get the msg /etc/init.d/apache start says Starting webserver:apache failed |
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| 12:45.22 | tarzeau | kevix: check http://unstable.buildd.net/buildd/Installed_stats.png |
| 12:45.35 | kevix | tarzeau: It would be strange if kfreebsd beat hurd in getting into debian x-) |
| 12:45.39 | tricky | I have two servers that need to be exact replicas of each other, both with large disks (400 gig each) what setup would you guys recommend? |
| 12:45.42 | mejo | jm_: F10, F11 and F12 are not listed in dumpkeys at all. |
| 12:45.43 | gary | hmm |
| 12:45.46 | WireDDD | is the nvidia module named "nvidia"? |
| 12:45.51 | tarzeau | kevix: but it wouldn't surprise me |
| 12:45.51 | mejo | jm_: what could be the reason? |
| 12:46.02 | SerajewelKS | tricky: image one of them? |
| 12:46.05 | kevix | tarzeau: what would RMS say! |
| 12:46.07 | tarzeau | kevix: checked the popcon entries for hurd vs kfreebsd? |
| 12:46.18 | tarzeau | kevix: i don't know. but i'll tell him about my new gnustep live cd based on gnu/kfreebsd soon |
| 12:46.23 | jm_ | mejo: beats me, perhaps you have it configured in /etc/console-tools/default.kmap.gz |
| 12:46.25 | tarzeau | kevix: for gnu.org list of free os distributions |
| 12:46.48 | tricky | SerajewelKS, but wouldnt the image become way to big to handle? |
| 12:47.13 | jazbo | Where can I find info on how to use stuff like "/msg" and "!tell" etc on this channel? |
| 12:47.25 | mejo | jm_: i use console-setup, and i have /etc/console-setup/boottime.kmap.gz |
| 12:47.25 | jm_ | jazbo: /msg is IRC client command |
| 12:47.28 | kevix | tarzeau: the small size might help with d-i work or emedded work |
| 12:47.35 | jm_ | mejo: then possibly look there |
| 12:47.37 | azeem | jazbo: read general IRC documentation |
| 12:47.57 | jazbo | ty |
| 12:48.04 | SerajewelKS | tricky: not if you employ ssh to send the image right to the other disk |
| 12:48.12 | gary | I tried reconfiguring X, but the resolution didn't change. I set up my monitors H and V sync values, and also specified the resolution of 1280x1024. I checked the MD5SUM of my configuration file and it is identical to the original value... i.e. I have not hand-edited it |
| 12:48.16 | gary | Any ideas? |
| 12:48.22 | tralala | jazbo: /help and /msg dpkg help |
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| 12:48.36 | kevix | tarzeau: anyway... will check for mole game tomarrow.... sleep........ |
| 12:48.37 | jm_ | gary: check X logfile to see if it tried to use higher resolution at all |
| 12:48.49 | tarzeau | kevix: maybe... and imagine dpkg supports p7zip .. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/sizematters/ |
| 12:48.54 | tarzeau | kevix: g'night |
| 12:48.55 | SerajewelKS | tricky: something like: cat /dev/hda | ssh root@server-b 'cat > /dev/hda' |
| 12:49.06 | mejo | jm_: thanks for all the help, but i still don't know how to compare. you mean compare settings for F10 in /etc/console-setup/boottime.kmap.gz and in the output of dumpkeys? |
| 12:49.07 | toad_ | mutt -Z is broken. it doesn't always detect mailboxes with new messages. what can I do? I have tried switching to Evolution but that assumes that ALL messages in my mailboxes are unread. |
| 12:49.22 | SerajewelKS | tricky: obviously both boxen should be booted from some kind of livecd, or started in maintenence mode with / mounted readonly |
| 12:49.22 | uwe | um, im trying to set the essid of my wireless, i do iwconfig wlan0 "myessid", but when i do iwconfig , i get :ESSID:off/any, i dont seem to be able to set it :s am i doing something wrong? |
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| 12:50.18 | SerajewelKS | tricky: if you don't need them to be *exact* duplicates (e.g. which cluster is used by which file) you can just use tar: tar -c / | ssh root@server-b 'tar -xC /' |
| 12:50.20 | tricky | SerajewelKS, they need to be perfect replicas ALL the time |
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| 12:50.34 | SerajewelKS | tricky: that is impossible |
| 12:50.37 | jm_ | mejo: well you could only compare it if it listed info for those keys, like it does for me:http://tnx.nl/4584RJJT |
| 12:50.49 | SerajewelKS | tricky: why would you even need that |
| 12:50.52 | toad_ | i do mutt -Z |
| 12:50.58 | toad_ | it says no mailbox contains new mail |
| 12:51.02 | toad_ | then i open Mail/ian |
| 12:51.08 | toad_ | which contains 4 New messages |
| 12:51.13 | SerajewelKS | !tell toad_ about enter |
| 12:51.18 | tricky | SerajewelKS, would it not be easier / more efficient only to transerfer the diff between the disks? |
| 12:51.33 | tralala | uwe: use iwconfig wlan0 essid "youressid" and read the man page |
| 12:51.38 | SerajewelKS | tricky: possibly, i'm still calling into question the rationale of doing this. |
| 12:51.44 | mejo | jm_: unfortunately, F10 to F12 are not listed in dumpkeys at all. so how could i fix that? using a different keyboard table? |
| 12:51.48 | toad_ | Evolution is not the solution because it doesn't understand which messages are unread, and assumes they all are... so what is the solution? |
| 12:51.56 | gary | jm_: I checked the xf86config4 file it has not even changed |
| 12:51.59 | gary | strange |
| 12:52.00 | mejo | jm_: i thought that my keyboard is a standard pc105. |
| 12:52.07 | toad_ | SerajewelKS: I'm sorry |
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| 12:52.26 | toad_ | pine maybe? |
| 12:52.26 | mejo | jm_: and for some reason X has no problems with the F10, F11 and F12 keys. |
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| 12:52.51 | tricky | SerajewelKS, but lets say i would like to use one to backup the oher once every 24 hrs then how would you set it up in a efficient maner? |
| 12:53.01 | toad_ | fine, nobody cares |
| 12:53.06 | uwe | tralala, sorry, i did iwconfig wlan0 essid "Myessid", i mistyped the first message |
| 12:53.10 | jm_ | mejo: X has its own handler, I gave you my settings for F12, and you could simply copy it from F? settings and adapt |
| 12:53.25 | SerajewelKS | tricky: oh, that's different from "they need to be perfect replicas ALL the time" |
| 12:53.29 | jm_ | mejo: so add it to boottime.gz or whatever you use and load it |
| 12:53.29 | mejo | jm_: thanks, i'll give it a try |
| 12:53.31 | toad_ | I apologize for using the distribution, it's good... shame about the users... |
| 12:53.37 | SerajewelKS | tricky: that's "they need to be perfect replicas at midnight" |
| 12:53.38 | tralala | uwe: which driver are you using? |
| 12:53.46 | uwe | wg111v1 |
| 12:53.51 | tricky | SerajewelKS, i agree |
| 12:54.12 | jm_ | gary: then md5sum is not matching ;) |
| 12:54.16 | SerajewelKS | tricky: maybe rsync? i'm not too familiar with backup tools, i thought you wanted to image. |
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| 12:54.45 | tralala | uwe: hmm, sounds like a driver issue. Did you find anything in the driver support pages? |
| 12:54.45 | uwe | tralala, netwg111 driver installed, hardware present |
| 12:54.48 | tricky | thanks ill think about this some more |
| 12:54.53 | fireba11 | tricky: i noticed you seem to have some backup questions .. can you sumarize what you need for me, maybe i can help |
| 12:54.56 | gary | hooksy:/home/gary# md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum - |
| 12:55.00 | gary | Files /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum and - are identical |
| 12:55.00 | gary | I done that |
| 12:55.33 | mejo | jm_: i have in boottime.kmap.gz: keycode 68 = U+0f10 U+0f10 U+0f10 U+0f10 VoidSymbol VoidSymbol VoidSymbol ... |
| 12:55.47 | mejo | jm_: "U+0f10" does not make sence at all, does it? |
| 12:55.58 | toad_ | mutt -Z is broken, anyone suggest a better mail client that understands mutt's read/unread metadata? |
| 12:56.19 | brosioz | on cvs if i modify the truck the modify will be apply also on branch ? |
| 12:56.28 | toad_ | or is my only option to debug mutt, or to manually tag all my emails in some other client? |
| 12:56.30 | tricky | fireball shure thing: I have two server machines that need to be replicas of each other. They both have large disk space (400 gig each). Both need to be "ready to run" |
| 12:56.35 | Jhair | brosioz: zo |
| 12:56.38 | Jhair | brosioz: no |
| 12:56.39 | brosioz | on cvs if i modify the trunk the modify will be apply also on branch ? |
| 12:56.55 | brosioz | ok |
| 12:57.00 | brosioz | so how can i do ? |
| 12:57.00 | Jhair | brosioz: branches have their own HEAD |
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| 12:57.18 | Jhair | brosioz: merge your changes in the branch |
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| 12:57.19 | fireba11 | tricky: what is running on the box ? |
| 12:57.41 | SerajewelKS | tricky: obviously the "backup" box should be booted from some external media so that complete changes to / can be made by the backup. then if you need to run it you just reboot without the external media. |
| 12:57.46 | gary | my xf86config-4 is not located in /var/lib/xfree86/ |
| 12:57.53 | gary | jm_: ^^ |
| 12:57.55 | uwe | err, god damn it, according to netgear.com, my wg111 is v1! according to http://www.linux-usb.org/usb.ids , its version 2!! |
| 12:58.08 | SerajewelKS | tricky: not a lot of applications like it when their data is overwritten while they are running |
| 12:58.17 | fireba11 | uwe mm ;-) |
| 12:58.37 | uwe | according to the FCC on it, its v2, according to the MAC adress its version 1!!! :'( |
| 12:58.48 | gary | jm_: sorry, it is |
| 12:58.52 | gary | just the commands you pm'd me are not working |
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| 12:59.23 | tralala | uwe: no wonder essid doesn't work - your hardware seems to be *very* confused %) |
| 12:59.28 | tricky | fireball the box(es) is a server for a bunch of developers doing "heavy" compilations and testing often creating much garbage data |
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| 13:00.10 | fireba11 | tricky: i got a similar setup here ... i made the second box with a fresh install with the package list, then copied the important config files over ... i'm running a script at night that shuts down database, rsync data folders and starts database again |
| 13:00.44 | fireba11 | tricky: that requires a bit of service downtime since it's no good idea to rsync a running database |
| 13:00.52 | jm_ | gary: they work fine in Debian |
| 13:01.09 | fireba11 | tricky: btw. my nich is written with two ones :-D |
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| 13:01.43 | jm_ | mejo: yeah it's pretty weird |
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| 13:01.58 | gary | jm_: did you use the quote too? |
| 13:02.23 | jm_ | gary: no no quotes |
| 13:02.57 | tricky | fireba11, hehe... ok how much downtime would you predict if letssay there is a 90 % diff between the two and 100 Mbit connection? |
| 13:03.11 | uwe | tralala, do you know what usbid: 0846:4240 (both#*Chipsets !) at http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/List could mean? i mean the "both*#chipsets"!? |
| 13:03.11 | gary | ffs |
| 13:03.20 | fireba11 | tricky: how much data ? |
| 13:03.27 | SerajewelKS | tricky: the Mbit of the connection doesn't matter as much as the read/write speeds of the disks |
| 13:03.36 | gary | I used the command without quotes, it worked fine I think (no errors). I reconfigured X using dpkg, still no changes. |
| 13:03.37 | SerajewelKS | tricky: that's almost always the bottleneck |
| 13:03.47 | gary | I selected on one resolution, 1280x1024 |
| 13:04.06 | fireba11 | tricky: you can tell rsync not to try to change partial files but to just copy over if the file is changed .. that saves a lot of time and you can sync at the max of your lan connection |
| 13:04.10 | gary | my XF86config-4 file has not changed at all |
| 13:04.11 | tralala | uwe: no idea, sorry. I have used only zd1211 and atheros so far. |
| 13:04.25 | tricky | SerajewelKS, two brand new SATA disks... i dont know whats speeds SATA have... |
| 13:04.29 | fireba11 | tricky: also you should make your script so only the folders with working data get synced to save time |
| 13:04.39 | tricky | fireba11, lets say an extreme 300 gig |
| 13:04.43 | fireba11 | tricky: fast enough to satturate 100 MBit |
| 13:04.49 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: except for what i said... if the drive write speed is < 100 Mbit/s then it will bottleneck at the write (seeing as most drives' write speed < read speed) |
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| 13:05.57 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: no drive is slower than 100 MBit/s .. they are usually around 30-40 MB/s |
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| 13:06.24 | jm_ | fireba11: disable UDMA for it and try again :) |
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| 13:06.39 | fireba11 | jm_ that's not the DRIVE speed .. :-D |
| 13:06.46 | jazbo | Hey folks what's a good place to paste some output so someone could take a look at it? |
| 13:06.54 | jm_ | jazbo: /msg dpkg paste |
| 13:06.58 | jazbo | ty |
| 13:07.06 | jm_ | or any other paste site really |
| 13:07.10 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: hmm, maybe i'm still thinking about my six-year-old server with an IDE drive, write speed ~6 MB/s |
| 13:07.18 | wireddd | so can you not use the nvidia-glx driver if you have two video cards and one is not nvidia based? |
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| 13:07.40 | fireba11 | tricky: copying over 300 GB will take 10 hours though .. it just won't get over 100MBit faster .. use GBit if you have that much data per day |
| 13:07.41 | SerajewelKS | wireddd: sure you can... you just don't use both cards at once |
| 13:08.05 | tricky | SerajewelKS and fireba11 thanks for your help! |
| 13:08.07 | wireddd | SerajewelKS, yeah but the kind of defeats the whole prupose |
| 13:08.26 | fireba11 | tricky: with GBit LAN you should get 300 GB done in about 3 hours |
| 13:08.33 | tricky | thanks |
| 13:08.34 | jm_ | wireddd: why do you need two cards? |
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| 13:08.54 | wireddd | and both of them are up, but on the non-nvidia card the picture is really messed up |
| 13:08.58 | fireba11 | tricky: another option would be a setup that is synced all the time :-) |
| 13:09.26 | wireddd | jm_, I have two monitors and two singlehead video cards |
| 13:09.37 | gary | hmm |
| 13:09.47 | jm_ | wireddd: ahh, was going to suggest to get a decent dual-port card |
| 13:09.52 | gary | jm_: just to confirm, I can reconfigure X whilst X is still running, right? then I can just restart X |
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| 13:10.04 | jm_ | gary: yup |
| 13:10.31 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: hm ..that drive is really slow :-) with GBit you got that problem .. without raid or multiple HDs and at least one transfer from each you can't fully use GBit with file transfer :-) |
| 13:10.58 | gary | I just don't understand why my xf86 file isn't being edited |
| 13:11.05 | gary | I redid the md5 sum too |
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| 13:11.20 | jm_ | gary: are you even using XF86 and not X.org? |
| 13:11.42 | gary | to be honest with you, I'm not entirely sure |
| 13:11.50 | gary | My computer boots to cli, then I just do startx |
| 13:11.53 | jm_ | how do you start X? |
| 13:12.22 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: it's an old 10gb i'm running a www and mail server on |
| 13:12.22 | gary | startx |
| 13:12.22 | jm_ | ahh run xdpyinfo |
| 13:12.22 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: well that explains a lot :-) |
| 13:12.23 | jm_ | it tells you who the vendor is |
| 13:12.28 | wdamn | How can I use rename command recursively? |
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| 13:12.40 | tarzeau | wdamn: using find |
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| 13:12.43 | gary | vendor string: The XFree86 Project, In |
| 13:12.45 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: the bottleneck here is my 48kB/sec upstream 'net =/ |
| 13:12.54 | jazbo | Could someone take a look at http://channels.debian.net/paste/2074 please? This is the output of sshd -d. I'm trying to connect from a windows machine to a debian server but I get no further authentication methods available. I can't figure out from the output what's wrong. |
| 13:12.57 | jm_ | right which command did you type to fix md5? |
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| 13:13.17 | gary | md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum |
| 13:13.21 | tarzeau | jazbo: what client do you use? |
| 13:13.38 | jm_ | gary: that looks just fine, tried stracing it? |
| 13:13.47 | gary | stracing? |
| 13:13.48 | SerajewelKS | jm_: it does NOT look fine. /var/lib? |
| 13:13.50 | wdamn | tarzeau, and how can I use find with rename? |
| 13:14.02 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: that's where its md5 is |
| 13:14.06 | tarzeau | wdamn: checked the channel faq yet? |
| 13:14.10 | tarzeau | wdamn: it's all up there |
| 13:14.13 | SerajewelKS | jm_: oh, really? |
| 13:14.15 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: that's from one of the fastest HDs available :-) http://www2.tomshardware.de/storage/20060207/images/image022.gif |
| 13:14.20 | SerajewelKS | !moron me |
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| 13:14.20 | dpkg | serajewelks: You are moron #27 |
| 13:14.21 | jazbo | tarzeau: It's called "Secure Shell Client" Can't remember the version though |
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| 13:14.37 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: yeah, apparently (I don't have it since I don't use drxx) |
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| 13:14.53 | SerajewelKS | jm_: ditto |
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| 13:15.06 | tarzeau | jazbo: can you use putty? |
| 13:15.38 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: the fuck, ~90gB/sec? |
| 13:15.38 | jm_ | I will try XGL live CD today, to get a feel for it |
| 13:15.55 | tarzeau | jm_: don't forget to tell me how badly it sucks, so i don't waste time |
| 13:16.00 | jm_ | yeah but that's 15krpm drive |
| 13:16.05 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: corretly calculated into MB it's max is over 80MB/s |
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| 13:16.21 | fireba11 | jm_ i tried koraraa on sunday ... pretty neat |
| 13:16.23 | jm_ | tarzeau: hmm my coworker tried it yesterday and it worked fine |
| 13:16.25 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: er yeah, mb |
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| 13:16.42 | jazbo | tarzeau: I'm pretty sure I tried that but let me go try again just to make sure. Gotta run upstairs... |
| 13:16.44 | tarzeau | jm_: and he was able to go home 1 hour erlier because it helped him finish his work faster? |
| 13:16.53 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: wonder what happens to that drive from a head crash... probably throws the whole plate out of the case |
| 13:17.02 | jm_ | tarzeau: no, he tried it at home just out of curiosity, like me |
| 13:17.08 | wdamn | tarzeau, ok now I take a look -- thanx |
| 13:17.20 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: that's a "regular" 7200rpm drive http://www2.tomshardware.de/storage/20051224/images/image025.gif |
| 13:17.28 | jazbo | tarzea: also near the end of the output it says "Failed none for jham from ::ffff:*.*.125.109 port 3455 ssh2". What does port 3455 come into it? I set up sshd to run on port 2222 |
| 13:17.31 | jm_ | in fact, I told him to download it for me since he has brand new and fast internet connection ;) |
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| 13:17.49 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: speaking of hard drives, is it bad if my drive makes a metal grating sound on and off? |
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| 13:17.59 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: already RMA'd one, this is the replacement |
| 13:18.21 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: a friend got a CD broken while reading it once .. a scrape of it was stuck in the CPU (was an old p3) |
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| 13:18.36 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: metal grating sound ? |
| 13:18.43 | Diogo | Greetings! I'm trying to start OpenVPN but it says: Cannot open TUN/TAP dev /dev/net/tun: No such device (errno=19) (although it DOES exist) |
| 13:18.54 | tarzeau | jazbo: you've got ipv6? |
| 13:18.59 | jm_ | Diogo: /msg dpkg no such device |
| 13:19.01 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: a loud screeching sound |
| 13:19.09 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: the volume tends to be kinda variable |
| 13:19.34 | SerajewelKS | Diogo: modprobe tun |
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| 13:19.46 | jm_ | io;nosuchdevice even |
| 13:19.50 | jm_ | Diogo: nosuchdevice even |
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| 13:19.54 | SerajewelKS | Diogo: "no such device" means the kernel doesn't know about it. "no such file or directory" means that /dev/net/tun doesn't exist on disk. |
| 13:20.01 | Diogo | SerajewelKS, modprobe: Can't locate module tun |
| 13:20.03 | jazbo | tarzeau: I sort of have some hazy idea what ipv6 is but I don't know how to answer that question... |
| 13:20.19 | SerajewelKS | Diogo: modprobe tap ? modprobe tuntap ? i forget what it's called. |
| 13:20.21 | tarzeau | jazbo: check your networking, remove all ipv6. and try again |
| 13:20.32 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: seems to me like a damaged bearing |
| 13:20.42 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: the other drive did this too =/ |
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| 13:20.48 | pindonga | hi. I still get BADSIG on apt-get update, although I installed the debian-archive-keyring package... I am using the ftp.debian.org repository... what can I do to fix the BADSIG? |
| 13:21.00 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: it won't last long ... a new drive should only make minimal sounds |
| 13:21.03 | SerajewelKS | pindonga: /topic |
| 13:21.03 | Jhair | test |
| 13:21.19 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: well it's a few months old |
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| 13:21.22 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: a few clicks from the heads while reading/writing a lot is usually the loudest sound |
| 13:22.02 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: oh it's louder than that, 4x at least |
| 13:22.17 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: brand ? |
| 13:22.19 | Diogo | SerajewelKS, Strange: ./2.4.18-bf2.4/kernel/drivers/net/tun.o does exist. |
| 13:22.54 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: seagate |
| 13:23.04 | SerajewelKS | Diogo: uname -a ? |
| 13:23.32 | Diogo | SerajewelKS, Linux riogrande 2.4.28 #1 Fri Jan 7 05:05:38 BRST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 13:23.35 | jm_ | :P |
| 13:24.19 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: those are usually the most quiet ones .. ^^ i'd return it again ... |
| 13:24.42 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: the site says to try booting the seatools CD... guess i'll burn that and try it |
| 13:25.11 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: also run SMART tests |
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| 13:25.22 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: yep .. though they might not find anything ... but i most dead drives i got started with weird noises so .. |
| 13:25.31 | SerajewelKS | jm_: i tried those on the first disk and it never reported any errors |
| 13:25.55 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: i would estimate i have about 1.5 months before this one dies, the other drive made noises a long time before it stopped responding. |
| 13:26.17 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: hmm would have to hear the voice too know if it sounds familiar, but for me I usually only heard clicking when they died, or even nothing |
| 13:26.26 | Diogo | SerajewelKS, How do I install the modules for this kernel version? |
| 13:26.28 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: i got all the data off, then did the 'dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/hdb' trick to wipe the drive before RMAing it and there were I/O errors around the middle of the disk, so i got it off just in time |
| 13:26.36 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: likely .. |
| 13:26.40 | SerajewelKS | Diogo: how did you install the kernel |
| 13:26.49 | Diogo | SerajewelKS, aptitude |
| 13:26.57 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: you can also run badblocks in read-only mode |
| 13:26.58 | SerajewelKS | Diogo: you should have tun then |
| 13:27.02 | Diogo | SerajewelKS, Simple dist-upgrade, I guess... |
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| 13:27.31 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: i had HDs dying while makign a last backup a lot ... you read about all of the disc usually then .. most died halfway trough though :-) |
| 13:27.38 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: also pay attention to changes in SMART attributes |
| 13:27.53 | quiet | SerajewelKS, you could also use srm |
| 13:27.55 | SerajewelKS | Diogo: dist-upgrade does not install new kernels |
| 13:28.12 | SerajewelKS | jm_: which attributes? |
| 13:28.20 | SerajewelKS | jm_: all the tests i ran ended without any errors or warnings |
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| 13:28.39 | Diogo | SerajewelKS, Sorry, I think the kernel has been installed by hand by someone else... I'll just reboot into the other version. |
| 13:28.39 | jetscreamer | !info smartmontools |
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| 13:28.46 | dpkg | smartmontools: (control and monitor storage systems using S.M.A.R.T.), section utils, is optional. Version: 5.33+5.34cvs20050802-4 (sid), Packaged size: 248 kB, Installed size: 536 kB |
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| 13:28.58 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: you can output SMART values too .. just compare to the values you got a couple days bevor for changes |
| 13:29.01 | gnetux | Hi everyone |
| 13:29.07 | tarzeau | !hi |
| 13:29.08 | dpkg | hello, tarzeau |
| 13:29.14 | tarzeau | !hi gnetux |
| 13:29.17 | fireba11 | jetscreamer: sadly smartmontools still got a lot of problems with SATA disks |
| 13:29.31 | jetscreamer | !greet gnetux |
| 13:29.32 | dpkg | Moo, gnetux |
| 13:29.39 | SerajewelKS | seagate.com says my drive is waranteed until september 2010 so i guess i have some time to play around with it |
| 13:29.39 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 13:29.41 | Diogo | SerajewelKS, Thanks for the info man, I think I can get it working now... Later! |
| 13:29.43 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: Hardware_ECC_Recovered, Read_Soft_Error_Rate, Reallocated_Event_Count and suchlike |
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| 13:29.47 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: no no i'm looking for the most strange travler on irc |
| 13:29.49 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: true :-) |
| 13:29.52 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: i always forget which it is |
| 13:30.05 | SerajewelKS | well let's reboot and try out this cd |
| 13:30.06 | jetscreamer | tarzeau: it used to be hi i've noticed it missing |
| 13:30.40 | tarzeau | !factinfo hi |
| 13:30.40 | dpkg | hi -- created by hi <ddent@sfr-qbu-pqd-vty5.as.wcom.net> at Sun Mar 26 08:44:05 2000 (2179 days); it has been requested 777 times, last by findme_ at Fri Dec 2 19:33:29 2005; it has been locked by hi. |
| 13:30.50 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 13:30.53 | BoardDWorld | anyone installed Brutal Chess? |
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| 13:30.58 | jazbo | tarzeau: putty also fails to connect. Is turning off ipv6 something that needs to be done on the client machine, the server or both? |
| 13:31.10 | tarzeau | jazbo: remove all ipv6. try again |
| 13:31.12 | brosioz | anyone known a channel for debian mipsel ? |
| 13:31.12 | fireba11 | BoardDWorld: sounds like the good old battle chess |
| 13:31.25 | tarzeau | jazbo: if you don't know exactly what ipv6 is, and know that you want it, don't use it |
| 13:31.37 | tarzeau | brosioz: yes, check the /topic faq |
| 13:31.41 | tarzeau | brosioz: search for channel |
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| 13:31.50 | fluxdude | I need advice, I've just found out that our DHCP server (isc's dhcpd) is giving addresses in the range 192.168.1.200-254 but our gateway is 217! should I exclude it? |
| 13:31.50 | jetscreamer | Factoid search of 'hi' by key (15 of 707) |
| 13:31.53 | tarzeau | brosioz: #mipslinux imho |
| 13:31.55 | BoardDWorld | fireba11: nah it's the only decent 3d chess game on Linux |
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| 13:31.57 | wireddd | hmm it seems that my 3dfx video card doens't work properly with 2.6.15-1-k7 |
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| 13:32.10 | fluxdude | there is a lease of 217 given out but abandoned till 2038... |
| 13:32.14 | tarzeau | BoardDWorld: is it packaged? url? |
| 13:32.22 | jetscreamer | BoardDWorld: xboard + crafty is ok |
| 13:32.43 | brosioz | tarzeau: thx |
| 13:32.52 | jetscreamer | not 3d sorry |
| 13:33.01 | BoardDWorld | http://brutalchess.sourceforge.net/ |
| 13:33.30 | gnetux | dpkg:where can i get make-kpkg for sarge? |
| 13:33.35 | BoardDWorld | is awesome, still in development but suppose to be playable now... |
| 13:33.40 | tarzeau | BoardDWorld: looks very nice |
| 13:33.44 | jetscreamer | gnetux: kernel-package |
| 13:33.47 | BoardDWorld | only after installing (.make) |
| 13:34.13 | tarzeau | BoardDWorld: no tarball release? |
| 13:34.14 | Idle0ne | anyone here that can help me get kde setup, i have tried apt-get install kde but i get all sorts of dependency errors, someone suggested i use a different FTP server for apt-get but i am unsure what ftp server path to use |
| 13:34.30 | BoardDWorld | I get a black window for about .5 of a second |
| 13:34.32 | fluxdude | how do I exclude an ip address from a range in dhcpd? |
| 13:34.38 | BoardDWorld | no:( |
| 13:34.48 | tarzeau | BoardDWorld: if you find me a tarball, i'll package it |
| 13:34.55 | pindonga | SerajewelKS: I got the key as stated, and even updated the apt package... problem still around. what can I do? |
| 13:34.55 | BarryAllen | fluxdude, fix the ip number... by mac address |
| 13:34.57 | tarzeau | BoardDWorld: got opengl installed? nvidia driver? |
| 13:35.11 | BoardDWorld | yes and yes |
| 13:35.25 | jetscreamer | how about 'nvidia-binary'? |
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| 13:35.32 | Idle0ne | can someone help? |
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| 13:35.50 | BoardDWorld | I had to install all of the adl-devel files |
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| 13:35.57 | tarzeau | BoardDWorld: i'll try a cvs checkout tonight |
| 13:36.08 | BoardDWorld | ok.. cool |
| 13:36.20 | BoardDWorld | blo%dy awesome chess game |
| 13:36.39 | jetscreamer | gtkradiant doesn't run with nvidia-glx, doesn't give you wht you need... so maybe your_game is same |
| 13:36.45 | tarzeau | BoardDWorld: does it support fics? |
| 13:36.50 | jetscreamer | err build |
| 13:36.57 | jm_ | I wonder how it would do against crafty |
| 13:37.01 | BoardDWorld | sorry, fics? |
| 13:37.06 | tarzeau | !fics |
| 13:37.06 | dpkg | i heard fics is the Free Internet Chess Server and is at freechess.org and fics.onenet.net. |
| 13:37.15 | jetscreamer | i like crafty with medium books |
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| 13:37.27 | BoardDWorld | oh yess... |
| 13:37.36 | jazbo | tarzeau: Does the fact that I have no probems sshing into the server from a debian client effect your opinion on how to fix the problem? |
| 13:37.39 | BoardDWorld | read the link |
| 13:37.52 | BoardDWorld | it's worth it |
| 13:37.53 | jazbo | tarzeau: or is that irrelevant? |
| 13:37.57 | tarzeau | jazbo: remove the ipv6 shit, and it will work |
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| 13:38.07 | tarzeau | jazbo: do you like it when i say that? |
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| 13:38.19 | tarzeau | do i look especially cute when i say remove the damn ipv6? |
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| 13:38.58 | jazbo | tarzeau: yah I think maybe I get it now... Just have to figure out what remove ipv6 shit means now... google here I come |
| 13:39.16 | tarzeau | jazbo: check /etc/network/interfaces and ifconfig -a |
| 13:39.20 | jm_ | jazbo: check interfaces file |
| 13:39.25 | tarzeau | jazbo: and your network settings in windows and mac os x |
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| 13:40.13 | jazbo | okay cool time to run upstairs again... |
| 13:40.16 | jazbo | ty |
| 13:40.26 | tarzeau | jazbo: you gf will love your belly |
| 13:40.34 | jazbo | lol |
| 13:40.35 | jm_ | hehe Debian is good for you rowrkout |
| 13:40.47 | tarzeau | #debian the sports channel |
| 13:40.49 | jetscreamer | run up those stairs |
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| 13:41.43 | jazbo | my sneakers are operating at nearly 10 mbps |
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| 13:44.17 | fireba11 | jazbo: i can carry 300 GB of data (a full HD) into the cellar to my server in 1.5 minutes ... that's 150 GB/min, that's 2.5 GB/s ... pretty fast eh ? :-) |
| 13:44.37 | fireba11 | er . in 2 minutes ^^ |
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| 13:47.24 | gary | This is so bloody stupid |
| 13:47.30 | gary | I can't get XF86Config to edit |
| 13:47.44 | jm_ | gary: you can always do it by hand if you know how |
| 13:47.44 | gary | hooksy:/etc/X11# md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum - |
| 13:47.47 | gary | Files /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum and - are identical |
| 13:47.57 | jetscreamer | is there an algorithm that explains why cats like to get in your lap when you're doing something on the computer, at the wrong time? |
| 13:47.59 | gary | jm_: Well I probably do, but I would rather use the tool |
| 13:48.05 | gary | and plus it's annoying that it doesn't work |
| 13:48.23 | fireba11 | jetscreamer: dunno of murphy provided algorithms |
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| 13:48.35 | jm_ | gary: yeah, strace it and see what is going on |
| 13:48.56 | gary | what's strace? |
| 13:49.16 | jm_ | apt-cache show strace |
| 13:49.20 | suyog_m | doesn anyone know if i can use enlightenment 17 on debian sarge? |
| 13:49.29 | jm_ | the tool that writes the file is /usr/bin/dexconf, you can make a copy and debug the copy |
| 13:49.41 | Enthusiast78 | SerajewelKS, Now I'm having a different kind of problem... I have set up two distinct VPNs and the first one doesn't work anymore. I have chosen different tun devices and different keys as well... Any idea? |
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| 13:50.53 | SerajewelKS | Enthusiast78: not really, no |
| 13:50.54 | xomhau | hi * |
| 13:51.08 | xomhau | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 ==> format hard disk? |
| 13:51.17 | jm_ | xomhau: no |
| 13:51.20 | SerajewelKS | xomhau: clear MBR |
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| 13:51.49 | SerajewelKS | xomhau: remove the "count=1" and you're still not formatting it, you're zeroing it |
| 13:51.57 | SerajewelKS | xomhau: mkfs would be formatting |
| 13:52.38 | xomhau | i run this command and now i can't start system |
| 13:52.48 | SerajewelKS | xomhau: no shit, you cleared the MBR |
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| 13:52.56 | jm_ | why the hell did you run it? |
| 13:53.01 | Enthusiast78 | SerajewelKS, TCP/UDP: Socket bind failed on local address [undef]:1194 - Do you think I need different ports for each VPN? |
| 13:53.14 | SerajewelKS | Enthusiast78: uhm, duh? |
| 13:53.20 | Enthusiast78 | SerajewelKS, LOL |
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| 13:53.41 | xomhau | SerajewelKS what i can do? |
| 13:53.58 | SerajewelKS | xomhau: boot from a livecd and reinstall grub or lilo, after chrooting to your system |
| 13:54.12 | jm_ | xomhau: and recover your partition table, see gpart |
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| 13:54.28 | SerajewelKS | jm_: oh, the first 512 contains the partition table too? |
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| 13:54.43 | xomhau | SerajewelKS thank you , i afraid |
| 13:54.48 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: yeah, info about primary/extended partitions |
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| 13:55.05 | fireba11 | jm_ so not the table itself but basic information what's in it ? |
| 13:55.06 | Enthusiast78 | SerajewelKS, But then... How will the server know I want another port? |
| 13:55.07 | SerajewelKS | xomhau: and recover the partition table as jm_ says |
| 13:55.14 | jm_ | fireba11: no, the actual data |
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| 13:55.25 | fireba11 | jm_ it's that small ? :-) |
| 13:55.35 | SerajewelKS | Enthusiast78: it will, because you will be sending from that port |
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| 13:55.54 | SerajewelKS | Enthusiast78: how do you think any old web server out there knows to reply to you on port 25235? because you sent from that port. |
| 13:56.00 | rebux | hello! which is the command that allow me to return in base setup? |
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| 13:56.14 | SerajewelKS | Enthusiast78: 25235 being a random number from 1025-65535 |
| 13:56.28 | SerajewelKS | rebux: what? |
| 13:56.30 | fireba11 | rebux: you can just start base setup again |
| 13:56.37 | Enthusiast78 | SerajewelKS, Ok, wiil try that. Thanks! |
| 13:56.37 | jm_ | fireba11: yes, 64 bytes in all, or 16 per partition, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table |
| 13:57.02 | SerajewelKS | Enthusiast78: suggest you read up on how IP works before setting up VPNs |
| 13:57.05 | rebux | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:57.10 | jm_ | fireba11: wrong URL, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_boot_record |
| 13:57.40 | fireba11 | jm_ thanks, interesting *reading* |
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| 13:58.29 | Enthusiast78 | SerajewelKS, Must be a good reading, but now I really must get this thing working, thanks. |
| 13:58.34 | rebux | fireball, something base-config |
| 13:58.39 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: the noise doesn't seem to happen when data is being read/written, only when the drive is idle |
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| 13:59.06 | jm_ | rebux: yes, base-config |
| 13:59.38 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: maybe it's doing thermal calibration then |
| 13:59.44 | jm_ | or SMART tests? |
| 13:59.59 | rebux | jm_, bash: base-config: command not found |
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| 14:00.08 | SerajewelKS | jm_: SMART tests make the noise of metal grinding? |
| 14:00.08 | jm_ | rebux: /msg dpkg installit |
| 14:00.24 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS jm_ description seems to be too lound for regular operation .. maybe it's spinning down/up and bearing is damaged and thus making noise |
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| 14:01.00 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: and the noise doesn't happen when the drive spins up/down, but often starts right after spinning up if it was spun up just to e.g. swap in one memory page |
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| 14:02.34 | rebux | uhm,ok base-config dosn'texistsanymore on etch, but if i want to reconfigure the basesystem? |
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| 14:03.12 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: if i return this to seagate, will they send me the new one right away, or do i need to send this one back first? i don't have another 200gb drive laying around to back up onto. |
| 14:03.35 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: you need to send in and wait for replacement usually |
| 14:03.41 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: argh |
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| 14:04.15 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: well you could check self-test log if it's enabled at all |
| 14:04.29 | SerajewelKS | jm_: as i said, the self-tests never find anything |
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| 14:04.33 | faber2 | hi everybody |
| 14:04.59 | SerajewelKS | jm_: i'm not so concerned about what is wrong, i just know it's going to fail and i want to back up before i send it in. |
| 14:04.59 | faber2 | i accedentally did a rm -rf /usr/lib. can apt-get or dpkg help me to fix that ? |
| 14:05.07 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: ok, but perhaps the noise is caused by self test |
| 14:05.24 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: right, so do that then :) |
| 14:05.38 | jm_ | faber2: reinstall all packages that have files in there |
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| 14:05.44 | SerajewelKS | jm_: i don't have any test schedule daemon running. and metal grating wouldn't be the noise i would expect anyway. |
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| 14:06.00 | faber2 | jm_: how can i re-install just all packages? |
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| 14:06.10 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: yeah, your description does indeed sound problematic |
| 14:06.15 | jm_ | faber2: /msg dpkg package reselect |
| 14:06.27 | SerajewelKS | faber2: dpkg -l | grep '^.i' | awk '{print $2}' | xargs apt-get install --reinstall |
| 14:06.42 | jm_ | faber2: keep in mind that some tools will needs libs from /usr/lib and might fail to work until you fix some basics first |
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| 14:07.35 | rebux | i must reconfigure keyboard layout, whati can do? |
| 14:07.44 | jm_ | telux;/msg dpkg keymap |
| 14:07.46 | jm_ | rebux ^^^^ |
| 14:07.54 | faber2 | jm_: you are right, apt-get is broken |
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| 14:07.58 | jm_ | faber2: indeed |
| 14:08.03 | faber2 | jm__ how do i fix apt-get ? |
| 14:08.12 | jm_ | faber2: install the missing libs |
| 14:08.29 | rebux | jm_, lol, thanks |
| 14:08.35 | faber2 | jm_: how???? |
| 14:08.48 | jm_ | faber2: boot from a rescue medium |
| 14:08.54 | CptnObvious | How come my browsing seems to take forever in Firefox? |
| 14:09.02 | SerajewelKS | jm_: perhaps he could boot from a cd and debootstrap into his / ? |
| 14:09.18 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: sure, something like Knoppix or GRML will work fine |
| 14:09.19 | SerajewelKS | jm_: is debootstrap nice about adding packages to an already-existing dpkg database? |
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| 14:09.32 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: no, debootstrap doesn't do that ;) |
| 14:09.43 | faber2 | jm_: i cannot boot the machine |
| 14:09.47 | SerajewelKS | jm_: hmm, this could be more tricky then.. |
| 14:10.02 | SerajewelKS | faber2: hence "rescue medium". a livecd or something. |
| 14:10.11 | jm_ | faber2: yes, that's why rescue medium will help |
| 14:10.18 | faber2 | SerajewelKS: i dont have physical access to the machine |
| 14:10.25 | SerajewelKS | faber2: you are fucked then |
| 14:10.26 | Idle0ne | can someone here help me, i am trying to get KDE to install on Debian, i have tried apt-get install kde, but it fails because there are a ton of dependancies it requires, i also tried changing the FTP server used in the apt-get sources.list file and that didnt help either |
| 14:10.39 | faber2 | SerajewelKS: i have a shell still open |
| 14:10.39 | Idle0ne | all i have installed is TWM and would love to get KDE to install |
| 14:10.45 | jm_ | faber2: in that case you'll regret not installing busybox-static or suchlike |
| 14:10.46 | SerajewelKS | Idle0ne: apt-get install kdebase |
| 14:10.47 | faber2 | i could copy file from another machine |
| 14:10.56 | cheal | Idle0ne: ask #debian-kde |
| 14:10.56 | Idle0ne | i get the same issues when trying to install Gnome, i am running the testing version of Debian |
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| 14:11.01 | Idle0ne | SerajewelKS: i tried that |
| 14:11.04 | jm_ | faber2: how will you copy it? |
| 14:11.14 | SerajewelKS | Idle0ne: if you tried it, it would have worked |
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| 14:11.36 | SerajewelKS | jm_: scp? |
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| 14:11.44 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: won't work, ftp should |
| 14:11.47 | SerajewelKS | jm_: on the other machine, not on the server |
| 14:12.05 | weedar | If IP-forwarding is turned on and the rules for iptables are correct is there anything else that could prevent a ping from traversing the network correctly? |
| 14:12.06 | faber2 | eee, i cannot use "scp" |
| 14:12.20 | SerajewelKS | faber2: no, you scp from the box with the file, not from the server |
| 14:12.37 | SerajewelKS | weedar: other firewalls |
| 14:12.57 | Idle0ne | SerajewelKS: no it didnt work |
| 14:12.58 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: doens't matter, you can do it both ways |
| 14:12.59 | faber2 | SerajewelKS: i cannot connect to the machine |
| 14:13.08 | SerajewelKS | !tell Idle0ne about doesn't work |
| 14:13.18 | Idle0ne | The following packages have unmet dependencies. |
| 14:13.18 | Idle0ne | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:13.18 | jm_ | why did you say you could copy it then? |
| 14:13.21 | faber2 | now that is annoying |
| 14:13.29 | Idle0ne | no matter what kde package i try it fails due to deps |
| 14:13.44 | SerajewelKS | Idle0ne: your mirror might be out of date |
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| 14:14.07 | Idle0ne | SerajewelKS: i tried a few mirrors |
| 14:14.10 | Idle0ne | all the same |
| 14:14.17 | weedar | SerajewelKS, good call. But except for other firewalls, anything? |
| 14:14.21 | SerajewelKS | Idle0ne: did you apt-get update between changing mirrors? |
| 14:14.32 | SerajewelKS | weedar: not likely |
| 14:14.32 | Idle0ne | yes |
| 14:14.36 | Idle0ne | currently i am using deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 14:14.40 | SerajewelKS | Idle0ne: might be regular testing breakage |
| 14:15.20 | Idle0ne | what do you mean SerajewelKS |
| 14:15.35 | SerajewelKS | Idle0ne: testing breaks, that's why it's not called stable. |
| 14:15.54 | SerajewelKS | Idle0ne: if testing were perfect it wouldn't be called testing |
| 14:16.24 | faber2 | jm_: i still have my archives in /var/cache and dpkg seems to work. any ideas what i can do with that? |
| 14:16.46 | SerajewelKS | faber2: does wget work? |
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| 14:16.54 | jm_ | faber2: dpkg -i ... |
| 14:17.02 | darkness_ | Hi, is firefox ported for debian? |
| 14:17.10 | SerajewelKS | darkness_: apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 14:17.17 | faber2 | SerajewelKS: wget wnat libssl |
| 14:17.24 | darkness_ | Tks. |
| 14:17.38 | SerajewelKS | darkness_: next time save yourself the embarrasement and do 'apt-cache search firefox' |
| 14:17.42 | petemc | darkness_: apt-get isntall firefox |
| 14:17.59 | SerajewelKS | petemc: it's mozilla-firefox in stable |
| 14:18.11 | petemc | SerajewelKS: oh right |
| 14:18.16 | darkness_ | One last question if it can be answered. My online bank doesn't like mozilla and other sites don't work with it. Any suggestions? |
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| 14:18.36 | SerajewelKS | darkness_: get a new bank? |
| 14:19.08 | buccia | hi, where can i find a precompiled kernel 2.4.(>29) ? |
| 14:19.32 | XnoN | hello friends of the debian world, i need to know if is posible to make a debian instalation in a Remote PC near so far!?? it is posible these friends? |
| 14:19.41 | Ronin | darkness_: email/call complain and ask why on the swiss cheese of browsers is allowed then go elsewhere if you dont get satisfaction |
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| 14:20.08 | itrebal | is there a way to get X instead of Xfree? |
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| 14:20.22 | SerajewelKS | XnoN: generally speaking, no. if you're careful you can use debootstrap, but it's easy to lock yourself out of the box. |
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| 14:20.34 | darkness_ | Serajewelks, cheers. I haven't used debian for ages and did "apt-cache locate firefox". |
| 14:20.36 | SerajewelKS | treyh0: that's like asking if you can get HTTP instead of Firefox |
| 14:20.40 | cheal | itrebal: what do you mean? what are you trying to do? |
| 14:20.48 | SerajewelKS | itrebal: that's like asking if you can get HTTP instead of Firefox |
| 14:20.50 | SerajewelKS | treyh0: sorry |
| 14:21.14 | SerajewelKS | itrebal: or HTTP instead of Apache, rather |
| 14:21.28 | darkness_ | heh |
| 14:21.31 | SerajewelKS | itrebal: X is a protocol. XFree is an implementation of X. |
| 14:21.40 | itrebal | rather, X11 then |
| 14:21.45 | darkness_ | Apache is a web server and http a protocol. |
| 14:21.50 | Ronin | itrebal: do you mean xorg by any chance? |
| 14:21.52 | SerajewelKS | itrebal: again, X11 is the X protocol revision 11. |
| 14:22.05 | itrebal | yea... xorg, thats what i ment |
| 14:23.08 | Ronin | 2 freakin icons that say Microsoft Outlook visable but because its not on the damn desktop they squack i didn't install outlook |
| 14:24.24 | XnoN | Serajewelk thanx so much friend |
| 14:24.33 | buccia | is any 2.4 kernel above 2.4.27 in debian ? |
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| 14:24.52 | cheal | buccia: no |
| 14:25.39 | darkness_ | Is sid stable yet? |
| 14:25.52 | cheal | !tell DarKnesS_ about sid |
| 14:26.29 | Ronin | sid will never be stable |
| 14:27.10 | darkness_ | So Sarge is still good? |
| 14:27.23 | abrotman | sarge is the current stable release |
| 14:27.28 | cheal | darkness_: why not? |
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| 14:28.16 | zorrolero | s-i-d ... still-in-development, or not? .) |
| 14:28.18 | darkness_ | Like i was saying i've not used linux for ages so checking if my sarge install is still the most recent stable version. |
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| 14:28.22 | Ronin | darkness_: of course its still good |
| 14:28.33 | bloodaxe | join #debian-dpl-debate |
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| 14:29.10 | bloodaxe | oupsss |
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| 14:29.35 | abrotman | i thought that was thursday |
| 14:30.04 | abrotman | it is |
| 14:30.25 | abrotman | bloodaxe: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/03/msg00001.html |
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| 14:34.43 | Coszmin | hey so which ISO do I need for 64 bit Xeon processor ? ia64 ? |
| 14:34.55 | azeem | Coszmin: no, i386 |
| 14:35.02 | Coszmin | is that 64 bit ? |
| 14:35.04 | azeem | Coszmin: or amd64 |
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| 14:35.14 | Coszmin | http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 14:35.19 | Coszmin | i don't see an amd64 here |
| 14:35.21 | Fox | xeon != itanium |
| 14:35.36 | Coszmin | i was told amd64 yesterday also |
| 14:35.41 | azeem | !amd64 |
| 14:35.41 | dpkg | it has been said that amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
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| 14:36.21 | [kf]Naddar | anyone can tell mewhy i get page not found, on installing squirrelmail |
| 14:36.21 | Coszmin | so what's that supposed to mean that going amd64 is going on shaky ground ? |
| 14:36.34 | darkness_ | Out of interest, who is the Debian project leader atm? |
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| 14:36.52 | azeem | Coszmin: where do you read that? |
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| 14:36.57 | azeem | darkness_: Branden Robinson |
| 14:37.03 | Coszmin | between the lines :) |
| 14:37.07 | azeem | Coszmin: it is not |
| 14:37.20 | Coszmin | so it's stable and safe for production ? |
| 14:37.23 | bloodaxe | what is the name of the french debian chan please? |
| 14:37.28 | abrotman | !fr |
| 14:37.28 | dpkg | [fr] Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debianfr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debianfr |
| 14:37.30 | Fox | Coszmin: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/sarge-amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 14:37.43 | jazbo | Will it be okay to do `modprobe -r ipv6`? |
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| 14:37.51 | azeem | Coszmin: it is as official as you can be without being on ftp.debian.org |
| 14:37.54 | bloodaxe | thank you ! |
| 14:37.57 | abrotman | what's the worst that happens .. ipv6 causes the sun to explode |
| 14:38.09 | Coszmin | I see , thanks |
| 14:38.16 | aGu | Hello. I'm running sarge and I tested few packages from backports.org and those didn't work as good as I excepted them to be. So how can I install the original sarge packages again instead? Removed the backports.org entry from sources.list but apt claims that the package is already newest version and so I can't install the original sarge packages. |
| 14:38.50 | jm_ | aGu: you can use --reinstall |
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| 14:38.54 | azeem | aGu: pass apt-get a version |
| 14:39.03 | azeem | like apt-get install --reinstall foo=1.2.3-4 |
| 14:39.08 | aGu | Ah, thanks! |
| 14:39.13 | azeem | where 1.2.3-4 is the version from stable |
| 14:39.15 | BlackNet | anyone know why i can't delete the /usr/sbin/locale-gen file? even apt-get remove or dpkg -P fails |
| 14:39.34 | abrotman | because it's a file .. not a package? |
| 14:39.49 | BlackNet | apt-get remove locale fails on removing that file |
| 14:39.55 | azeem | it's locales |
| 14:40.00 | BlackNet | yea |
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| 14:40.01 | azeem | BlackNet: why would you remove it anyway? |
| 14:40.01 | bloodaxe | when xgl as intecred in sid? |
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| 14:40.05 | abrotman | BlackNet: what command are you typing? |
| 14:40.07 | abrotman | bloodaxe: no |
| 14:40.09 | s-toned | Sometimes I do: ls -lhaR >filetree$(date +%F) to have a snapshot of the system in order to find changed files: How could I do this more elegantly? |
| 14:40.11 | BlackNet | trying to reinsall the psmisc package |
| 14:40.22 | azeem | BlackNet: uhm |
| 14:40.27 | azeem | BlackNet: what's the problem with psmisc? |
| 14:40.30 | bloodaxe | why no? |
| 14:40.34 | xomhau | :(( |
| 14:40.40 | abrotman | bloodaxe: because it hasn't yet ... |
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| 14:40.51 | BlackNet | not to sure on the ps thing |
| 14:40.52 | faber2 | how can i get rid of packages with install status "iFR" and "iU" ??? |
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| 14:41.02 | abrotman | faber2: in debian? |
| 14:41.04 | debiankid | hello room |
| 14:41.07 | abrotman | !room |
| 14:41.07 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 14:41.20 | faber2 | abrotman: yes |
| 14:41.28 | abrotman | faber2: is that from aptitude? |
| 14:41.36 | azeem | BlackNet: purging locales looks like the wrong solution to me |
| 14:41.39 | faber2 | abrotman: no, dpkg -l |
| 14:41.57 | debiankid | i nee help here my server today started to give me this message NET:53220 messages suppressed. where is the trouble ? how can i fix that ? |
| 14:42.05 | abrotman | faber2: erm .. i have no idea what iFR is .. |
| 14:42.09 | BlackNet | ok so how about this |
| 14:42.09 | BlackNet | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/locales_2.3.2.ds1-22_all.deb (--unpack): |
| 14:42.10 | BlackNet | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:42.19 | BlackNet | that's from apt-get install -f shows it will install libc6 |
| 14:42.24 | azeem | BlackNet: are you root? |
| 14:42.26 | faber2 | abrotman: well, do you know how i can force purge remove a package? |
| 14:42.27 | BlackNet | yes |
| 14:42.33 | azeem | BlackNet: what distribution are you on? |
| 14:42.35 | abrotman | faber2: dpkg -P <pkg> |
| 14:42.38 | BlackNet | uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root) |
| 14:42.41 | BlackNet | woody |
| 14:42.44 | azeem | woody? |
| 14:42.45 | abrotman | no comment |
| 14:42.51 | BlackNet | doing an upgrade |
| 14:42.57 | azeem | BlackNet: did you read the release notes? |
| 14:43.08 | BlackNet | correction, debian 3.0 |
| 14:43.14 | abrotman | upgrade or dist-upgrade? |
| 14:43.16 | azeem | doing an upgrade to what? |
| 14:43.23 | BlackNet | sarge |
| 14:43.26 | abrotman | you'd htink sarge given that libc6 |
| 14:43.28 | azeem | sarge is 3.0 |
| 14:43.35 | debiankid | i nee help here my server today started to give me this message NET:53220 messages suppressed. where is the trouble ? how can i fix that ? |
| 14:43.36 | azeem | eh |
| 14:43.37 | abrotman | sarge is 3.1 |
| 14:43.38 | azeem | man |
| 14:43.39 | Stevie | Which manual page do you want? |
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| 14:43.54 | azeem | BlackNet: is that locale-gen thing a symlink or directory? |
| 14:44.17 | BlackNet | a file |
| 14:44.38 | BlackNet | i have some broken dependencies in libc6 |
| 14:44.41 | BlackNet | i think |
| 14:45.21 | xomhau | i run: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 ==> formated hard disk? |
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| 14:45.32 | abrotman | xomhau: no |
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| 14:45.59 | xomhau | abrotman , but when i run livecd and type: cfdisk /dev/hda |
| 14:45.59 | debiankid | mmmm |
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| 14:46.00 | Fox | xomhau: you now have a HD full of 0s |
| 14:46.11 | abrotman | Fox: no .. he has 512bytes of zeroes |
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| 14:46.16 | xomhau | no any partition |
| 14:46.21 | Fox | hmm |
| 14:46.22 | Peizhao | anyone can guide me to use the update-modules? |
| 14:46.43 | BlackNet | so any idea on that locales file? |
| 14:46.52 | faber2 | how can i tell apt-get to force install? it tries to remove packages here, which are not there anymore, because i rm-rf-ed /usr/lib |
| 14:46.56 | debiankid | my kernel is whoing me this NET : SIMPSON KERNEL TCP : drop open request from 217.254.130.44/3072 |
| 14:47.08 | xomhau | abrotman , how i can do now? |
| 14:47.15 | abrotman | xomhau: what are you really trying to do? |
| 14:47.38 | xomhau | i try remove mbr |
| 14:47.58 | abrotman | ok .. then why did you ask about formatting your HDD ? |
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| 14:48.16 | xomhau | because now i don't run system |
| 14:48.28 | xomhau | and when i run livecd |
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| 14:48.46 | abrotman | xomhau: what liveCD ? |
| 14:48.48 | xomhau | and run command : cfdisk /dev/hda |
| 14:48.59 | xomhau | no any partiton |
| 14:49.09 | xomhau | abrotman gentoo |
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| 14:49.55 | abrotman | xomhau: did you think to ask #gentoo ? |
| 14:50.12 | Ronin | abrotman: they dont know ;) |
| 14:50.15 | xomhau | no no , i using debian only |
| 14:50.26 | abrotman | debian doesn't have a liveCD |
| 14:50.36 | xomhau | my friend give me gentoo livecd |
| 14:50.39 | leikh | I have a network printer and would like to print from my box over tcp/ip socket. Do I need cupsys? Is lpd/lpr better? Can I get away with just cupsys-client? (all in all, I guess I really don't need to install a print-server on my box, or?) |
| 14:52.20 | petemc | leikh: cups would make that pretty easy, installing cupsys-bsd should give you a lpr interface to it |
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| 14:52.46 | abrotman | xomhau: ok .. what are you really trying to do? |
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| 14:53.38 | dserodio | hello everyone |
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| 14:53.49 | leikh | petemc: so, having none of the packages, what do I need (cupsys are so many...)? |
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| 14:53.55 | faber2 | apt-get tells me to reinstall a package before removing it, because it is in a very incositent state. but reinstall fails, what can i do??? |
| 14:53.55 | xomhau | abrotman , i don't like grub :) , i install boot lilo , and i remove rbm |
| 14:53.57 | dvm1981 | Also hello everyone :-) |
| 14:54.06 | petemc | ~cups one liner |
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| 14:54.14 | petemc | hmm, no bots? |
| 14:54.15 | dserodio | :-) |
| 14:54.16 | petemc | !yo |
| 14:54.17 | dpkg | yao! |
| 14:54.22 | Ronin | petemc: wrong trigger |
| 14:54.24 | petemc | dpkg: cups one liner |
| 14:54.27 | abrotman | xomhau: so just intsall lilo |
| 14:54.30 | dserodio | does anyone know why there is no kernel-source package for 2.6.x ? |
| 14:54.31 | xomhau | and i run: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 |
| 14:54.33 | Ronin | !tell petemc about cups one liner |
| 14:54.37 | petemc | Ronin: i had messaged dpkg and he didnt respond |
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| 14:55.01 | Ronin | doesnt know cups one liner, sure thats the correct key? |
| 14:55.10 | xomhau | what can i do? |
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| 14:55.24 | faber2 | how can i force a "dpkg -P" ?? |
| 14:55.37 | faber2 | dpkg: error processing emacsen-common (--purge): |
| 14:55.37 | faber2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:55.37 | faber2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:55.46 | azeem | faber2: reinstall it? |
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| 14:56.05 | lithionlx | I would test the integrity of the pkg |
| 14:56.08 | petemc | !install cups |
| 14:56.09 | dpkg | methinks cups setup is Install cupsys, cupsys-bsd, cupsomatic-ppd and foomatic-db. Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer. Enjoy! |
| 14:56.20 | faber2 | azeem: it does not reinstall. it gives me the same error |
| 14:56.25 | petemc | leikh: ^^^ |
| 14:56.35 | abrotman | xomhau: install lilo .. don't worry about removing grub |
| 14:56.39 | azeem | faber2: the same error? What command do you issue? |
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| 14:56.57 | faber2 | azeem: apt-get -f install |
| 14:57.07 | xomhau | abrotman , i dont' know , i newbee :( |
| 14:57.07 | faber2 | Selecting previously deselected package emacsen-common. |
| 14:57.07 | faber2 | (Reading database ... 21736 files and directories currently installed.) |
| 14:57.08 | faber2 | Preparing to replace emacsen-common 1.4.17 (using .../emacsen-common_1.4.17_all.deb) ... |
| 14:57.08 | faber2 | dpkg: warning - old pre-removal script returned error exit status 1 |
| 14:57.08 | faber2 | d |
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| 14:57.18 | leikh | petemc: thx :-) |
| 14:57.18 | abrotman | xomhau: what is your native language? |
| 14:57.23 | fireba11 | faber2 you broke a lot ^^ |
| 14:57.34 | xomhau | abrotman vietnamese |
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| 14:57.43 | azeem | faber2: use a pastebin |
| 14:57.44 | abrotman | erm .. i don't think we have a vietnamese channel :) |
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| 14:57.50 | faber2 | sorry for the paste |
| 14:57.54 | azeem | faber2: anyway, install the .deb with dpkg -i |
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| 14:57.57 | lithionlx | any way i can attack my own apache server to test for leaks ? |
| 14:57.58 | abrotman | xomhau: if you install lilo .. it should just overwrite grub in the MBR |
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| 14:58.03 | azeem | same version you have installed right now |
| 14:58.07 | abrotman | lithionlx: ab ? |
| 14:58.10 | lithionlx | tried nessus no luck |
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| 14:58.23 | abrotman | lithionlx: oh .. you mean security holes .. not memory leaks |
| 14:58.29 | faber2 | azeem: check this out: http://pastebin.com/601350 |
| 14:58.35 | lithionlx | aye |
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| 14:58.51 | jazbo | How would I go about keeping the ipv6 module from being loaded at boot? /etc/modules.conf says not to edit it and to look and the man page for update-modules but the manpage says update-modules is obsolete. |
| 14:58.56 | lithionlx | 3/4 of you could prolly walk right in right now lol... |
| 14:59.07 | faber2 | azeem: dpkg -i also fails! |
| 14:59.08 | abrotman | !tell jazbo about blacklist |
| 14:59.12 | azeem | faber2: that's not the same error, is it? |
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| 14:59.34 | azeem | faber2: then you will need to hack around in /var/lib/dpkg/info/foo.postinst to make them isntall fine |
| 14:59.47 | lithionlx | Why would you want to prevent Ipv6 ? |
| 14:59.48 | jazbo | abrotman, ty |
| 14:59.49 | faber2 | azeem: dpkg -i you can see here: http://pastebin.com/601354 |
| 15:00.04 | abrotman | faber2: why would you remove /usr/lib/ ? |
| 15:00.14 | azeem | faber2: /var/lib/dpkg/info/emacsen-common.postinst |
| 15:00.18 | azeem | eh, hack that |
| 15:01.04 | abrotman | you mean prerm ? |
| 15:01.18 | azeem | well, whichever makes trouble |
| 15:01.23 | azeem | the postinst does as well |
| 15:01.25 | abrotman | they both do :) |
| 15:01.35 | abrotman | might be easier to 'touch' the file |
| 15:01.49 | azeem | touch? |
| 15:02.00 | jazbo | lithionlx, I was told that my problems with ssh connections are due to ipv6. Also having ipv6 enabled apparently can slow down some network stuff |
| 15:02.01 | azeem | that won't help |
| 15:03.24 | leikh | petemc: does "DeviceURI socket://192.168.10.5:515" sound reasonable for tcp/ip-printing? |
| 15:03.48 | abrotman | azeem: if you touch the file .. then the prerm will be able to remove it |
| 15:03.52 | faber2 | azeem: alright, now apt-get -f install is fine. but it thinks my emacs packages are installed, but they are not. how can i fix that now? |
| 15:04.01 | azeem | abrotman: ah, *that* file |
| 15:04.04 | azeem | sorry |
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| 15:04.14 | abrotman | hey .. give me some credit here :) |
| 15:04.16 | azeem | faber2: reinstall them |
| 15:04.37 | faber2 | azeem: with apt-get --reinstall install ? it does not work |
| 15:04.49 | azeem | then fix that |
| 15:04.54 | abrotman | faber2: apt-get --reinstall install emacsen-common .. paste the error if there is one |
| 15:05.15 | abrotman | why did you remove /usr/lib/ again? |
| 15:05.31 | petemc | leikh: sure |
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| 15:06.44 | jazbo | exit |
| 15:06.48 | jazbo | Doh! |
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| 15:08.45 | faber2 | abrotman: i wanted to do a "rm -rf usr/lib", but i put an extra "/" |
| 15:09.13 | abrotman | faber2: did you get emacs reinstalled? |
| 15:09.30 | azeem | faber2: if you removed /usr/lib, you're pretty much doomed, I'd say |
| 15:09.31 | abrotman | why would you do that as root? .. whatever .. doesn't matter .. PEBCAK |
| 15:09.31 | faber2 | abrotman: ah emacsen-common did re-install, i saw the errors with emacs21-nox |
| 15:09.39 | azeem | you can try to reinstall every package, maybe |
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| 15:09.42 | yelp | hi |
| 15:09.50 | yelp | i'm going to ask something completely offtopic |
| 15:09.53 | abrotman | faber2: you will have to reinstall every package ... |
| 15:09.56 | yelp | but i hope that there's some kind people online |
| 15:10.08 | azeem | yelp: there's other channels for that |
| 15:10.21 | abrotman | well .. we haven't heard the question yet .. we won't know where to send him |
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| 15:10.31 | azeem | elsewhere, basically |
| 15:10.53 | jsn | Someone has a potato installation. Someone else once told me, iirc, that a person can ssh into a debian box, dist-upgrade, and it will simply work. Is this so? |
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| 15:10.55 | abrotman | i'm sure .. |
| 15:11.01 | abrotman | jsn: yes |
| 15:11.02 | faber2 | abrotman: what i did wrong was: i did a dpkg -i in var/cache/apt/archives ... |
| 15:11.07 | azeem | jsn: yes, but only from one stable to another |
| 15:11.08 | jsn | merci, abrotman |
| 15:11.09 | abrotman | faber2: ah ok |
| 15:11.11 | Ronin | jsn: yep thats how i do my server |
| 15:11.12 | azeem | so potato->woody->sarge |
| 15:11.16 | abrotman | jsn: you'll have to go to woody .. then sarge |
| 15:11.26 | dserodio | oh, just found out that kernel-* has been renamed to linux-* |
| 15:11.27 | faber2 | abrotman: how can i easily reinstall every package? |
| 15:11.28 | abrotman | Ronin: use KY .. sicko! |
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| 15:11.35 | abrotman | !tell faber2 about reinstall |
| 15:11.50 | abrotman | faber2: you want the first set of commands in that factoid |
| 15:11.56 | faber2 | abrotman: i mean, do i really have to? how can i check if apt-get is in a sane state? |
| 15:12.03 | abrotman | i'm sure it's not :) |
| 15:12.09 | yelp | Is there any kind Debian user who has server up at his box and who could provide me a stable shell account for a few weeks? Im a keen fan of Debian, but my linux box got wasted due my fan wich caused my motherboard to burn:( All i need a shell account for is to continue developing the base core of my MUD project, once the MUD is public, you will get credited and stuff like that. |
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| 15:12.42 | faber2 | abrotman: and that won't harm my already existing configs for apache2 and such |
| 15:12.43 | faber2 | ? |
| 15:12.49 | abrotman | faber2: it should not |
| 15:13.33 | faber2 | E: Couldn't configure pre-depend coreutils for debianutils, probably a dependency cycle. |
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| 15:13.49 | faber2 | abrotman: (from the --reinstall attempt) |
| 15:13.57 | Malatya | hi everybody |
| 15:14.12 | Malatya | i need apt-get source |
| 15:14.25 | Ronin | Malatya: apt-setup |
| 15:14.34 | bobyfixer | is using secure-apt an option or a default ? |
| 15:14.51 | Malatya | Ronin, thanks |
| 15:14.53 | nkuttler | yelp: google free shell accounts |
| 15:14.55 | abrotman | bobyfixer: an option i believe |
| 15:14.58 | bobyfixer | i mean the PGP keys and stuff ? |
| 15:14.58 | blenda | if there is anyone here running the debian package of firefix 1.5, could you please give me your output of about:buildconfig? |
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| 15:15.22 | abrotman | faber2: what if you just try to reinstall coreutils ? |
| 15:15.41 | kasbah | hmm, can i tell squid to connect to the internet through a socks proxy? |
| 15:15.42 | faber2 | abrotman: that worked |
| 15:15.55 | bobyfixer | does debian have the same root password issue has ubuntu ? |
| 15:16.00 | azeem | bobyfixer: ono |
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| 15:16.02 | azeem | eh, no |
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| 15:17.15 | MrMazda | can someones using Sarge, Potato & Woody show me screenshots of the top of http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/auth/Font/font-helvetica.html on Firefox please? |
| 15:17.24 | nvz_ | kasbah: I dont think squid have ears ;P |
| 15:17.31 | abrotman | faber2: try it again |
| 15:17.40 | azeem | MrMazda: eh, potato and woody don't have firefox, AFAIK |
| 15:17.43 | kasbah | nvz_: no, but a engine to read config files |
| 15:17.45 | abrotman | they don't |
| 15:17.54 | faber2 | abrotman: same error |
| 15:18.01 | abrotman | faber2: start reinstalling one by one |
| 15:18.13 | abrotman | faber2: that's all i can say |
| 15:18.18 | faber2 | abrotman: it also want to upgrade during the reinstall |
| 15:18.30 | azeem | faber2: why upgrade? |
| 15:18.35 | azeem | what disstribution are you on? |
| 15:18.54 | faber2 | azeem: i guess some packages are out of sync |
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| 15:19.51 | azeem | faber2: so let it do that then |
| 15:19.52 | azeem | 74 |
| 15:19.54 | azeem | blah |
| 15:20.04 | javier | helo |
| 15:20.04 | Stevie | 250 Stevie |
| 15:20.20 | faber2 | azeem: well i did. the only thing which does not work is the mass-reinstall abrotman suggested |
| 15:20.22 | azeem | helo |
| 15:20.23 | Stevie | 250 Stevie |
| 15:20.26 | azeem | Stevie: uh |
| 15:20.39 | azeem | faber2: yeah, then reinstall one by one |
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| 15:21.08 | nvz | azeem: maybe s/he thinks this is the ftp> prompt |
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| 15:21.33 | faber2 | azeem: so xargs -n 1 ? |
| 15:21.45 | azeem | faber2: dunno |
| 15:22.03 | MrMazda | azeem: mozilla.org gzip builds can be run on any system with required libs installed |
| 15:22.16 | abrotman | faber2: you can try that |
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| 15:23.18 | nvz | MrMazda: regaurdless thats off-topic here and I doubt there is anyone running woody or potato that wants to backport libs and compile firefox just to take a screenshot |
| 15:23.58 | MrMazda | can someones using Sarge, Potato & Woody show me screenshots of the top of http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/auth/Font/font-helvetica.html on Firefox or Mozilla or SeaMonkey or Epiphany please? |
| 15:24.05 | azeem | MrMazda: no |
| 15:24.23 | MrMazda | azeem: why? |
| 15:24.26 | nvz | hmm, he didnt get my memo :P |
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| 15:24.29 | giacus_afk | hello |
| 15:24.51 | azeem | MrMazda: because it's highly unlikely that somebody uses potato or woody on a desktop in here |
| 15:25.00 | giacus | anyone know the quicly way to record sound from speakers in a file ? |
| 15:25.21 | nvz | MrMazda: install them into separate chroots and run it yourself |
| 15:25.25 | MrMazda | azeem: I don't expect any single person to do all of the above |
| 15:25.32 | abrotman | !info vsound sarge |
| 15:25.36 | azeem | MrMazda: I can send you a screenshot of sarge/epiphany though |
| 15:25.37 | dpkg | vsound: (Virtual loopback sound recorder and real audio converter), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.6-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 14 kB, Installed size: 108 kB |
| 15:25.48 | giacus | abrotman: tnx |
| 15:25.48 | leikh | petemc: nothing is printed :-/ in error_log I find "perl: warning: Setting locale failed". I don't understand that error. |
| 15:25.49 | MrMazda | azeem: thank you |
| 15:25.52 | azeem | MrMazda: email? |
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| 15:25.57 | abrotman | giacus: if i understood you .. i think that will help you |
| 15:26.08 | giacus | yeah, tx |
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| 15:26.24 | abrotman | giacus: of course .. if i misunderstood .. it will not help at all and you'll be back here in 10 minutes :) |
| 15:26.40 | MrMazda | azeem: that won't work. All email with attachments sent to me get the bit bucket. I need on a web server to see in browser. |
| 15:26.59 | azeem | MrMazda: I can't put it online, sorry |
| 15:27.15 | giacus | abrotman: haha |
| 15:27.15 | petemc | leikh: ive only used cups enough to get it going, sometimes you have to try different drivers til you get the right one.. |
| 15:27.18 | joloc | aptitude says the fop (the XSL formatting objects processor) in testing is broken: depends on j2re1.3 | j2re1.4 | java2-runtime which are virtual packages (same for libbatik-java). anybody know a workaround? |
| 15:27.31 | abrotman | !tell joloc abouti nstall java |
| 15:27.32 | MrMazda | azeem: simply telling me what you see there would suffice. Screenshot not actually necessary. |
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| 15:27.36 | abrotman | !tell joloc about install java |
| 15:27.37 | abrotman | yay |
| 15:27.43 | azeem | MrMazda: eh, I see text |
| 15:27.57 | MrMazda | azeem: how many discrete sizes? |
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| 15:28.17 | azeem | 15 for the first set |
| 15:28.41 | leikh | petemc: it's postscript, so there should be tons of drivers that would fit, right? |
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| 15:29.07 | madclicker | can nmap be used to determine the OS type? |
| 15:29.18 | De_Mon | madclicker did you even READ the manpage? |
| 15:29.48 | abrotman | madclicker: man nmap |
| 15:29.53 | petemc | leikh: prolly, aye |
| 15:30.20 | MrMazda | azeem: quite unlike http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/SS/font-helvetica-linux-096.png ? |
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| 15:30.51 | madclicker | FIN i got it |
| 15:30.55 | madclicker | thanks |
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| 15:31.27 | leikh | petemc: in cupsd.conf I've set allow from all so I can access the webadmin from another client, but I still get "You don't have permission to access the resource on this server." What am I missing? |
| 15:31.35 | azeem | MrMazda: quite different yes |
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| 15:31.43 | petemc | leikh: ive not had to mess with cups.conf, ever |
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| 15:31.44 | azeem | the fonts actually have different sizes and anti-aliasing |
| 15:32.16 | leikh | leikh: ok, I'll ask the others :-) |
| 15:32.21 | MrMazda | azeem: my goal is to determine when debian switched from a bitmap Helvetica to a scalable Helvetica |
| 15:32.31 | leikh | in cupsd.conf I've set allow from all so I can access the webadmin from another client, but I still get "You don't have permission to access the resource on this server." What am I missing? |
| 15:32.36 | nvz | MrMazda: you should try asking on the mailing lists perhaps d-u or various mozilla or other browser mailing lists.. to get the rest of your data. you reach a much wider audience |
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| 15:32.55 | madclicker | or -O |
| 15:32.59 | abrotman | or check the changelogs ? |
| 15:33.00 | madclicker | even better |
| 15:33.07 | nvz | abrotman: seriously |
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| 15:33.19 | abrotman | yes . i'm being serious |
| 15:33.19 | azeem | MrMazda: maybe you should have said that earlier |
| 15:33.28 | azeem | MrMazda: that depends on the local configuration, no? |
| 15:33.29 | nvz | abrotman: I am sure he's onto something.. but I really feel like I was being trolled at first :P |
| 15:33.52 | abrotman | nvz: i'm not sure why it matters |
| 15:34.00 | abrotman | font junkies suck! |
| 15:34.17 | MrMazda | nvz: my ISP has a problem letting mail from *request@lists.debian.org through to me :( |
| 15:34.23 | nvz | abrotman: me either... people do need to be specific though. |
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| 15:34.29 | nvz | MrMazda: screw your ISP |
| 15:34.34 | nvz | MrMazda: get gmail |
| 15:34.35 | nvz | heh |
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| 15:34.42 | MrMazda | nvz: web mail sux |
| 15:34.49 | abrotman | so do font junkies |
| 15:34.53 | nvz | bah, you've never seen gmail then |
| 15:34.57 | tijn | can be handy |
| 15:35.00 | petemc | MrMazda: gmail does pop |
| 15:35.05 | MrMazda | nvz: I have gmail |
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| 15:35.14 | MrMazda | bad address though |
| 15:35.18 | nvz | you are more picky than I am |
| 15:35.30 | abrotman | or a whiny girl who likes things color coded and pretty fonts! |
| 15:35.52 | nvz | and anyone who has any idea how I am would find it hard to believe anyone could be worse |
| 15:35.53 | MrMazda | my ISP sux, but with cable there is no such thing as choice |
| 15:36.02 | Piggy | <blink> |
| 15:36.04 | abrotman | so does your english |
| 15:36.09 | abrotman | Piggy: I WANT BACON! |
| 15:36.18 | Piggy | :-| |
| 15:36.27 | Ronin | bacon and eggs please |
| 15:36.35 | Eulex | and spam |
| 15:36.38 | tijn | hehe |
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| 15:36.51 | Trewas | MrMazda: it is quite likely that fontconfig replaces "Helvetica" with some other similar font |
| 15:36.53 | nvz | I spent the whole time in dicks sporting goods the other day bitching about the way they positioned things and various signs and stickers about |
| 15:37.04 | tijn | fuck, wrong tool |
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| 15:37.15 | MrMazda | azeem: well, the goal is a default install, so a scalable Helvetica could certainly be added to a system with bitmap Helvetica |
| 15:37.18 | abrotman | nvz: i can't imagine |
| 15:37.32 | MrMazda | Trewas: SuSE does that |
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| 15:37.39 | nvz | That store _is_ pathetic though.. but I just pay way to much attention to details and I am very peticular about things |
| 15:37.52 | abrotman | nvz: too much ? |
| 15:37.55 | Ronin | nvz: term is ocd i think |
| 15:38.00 | abrotman | nvz: particular ? |
| 15:38.13 | nvz | yeah I made at least 15 comments about the manicans alone |
| 15:38.24 | azeem | MrMazda: I have no idea what the admin changed here |
| 15:38.28 | nvz | the biking section just agrrivated the shit out of me |
| 15:38.43 | Trewas | MrMazda: looking at /etc/fonts/fonts.conf debian replaces helvetica with nimbus sans l |
| 15:38.45 | nvz | you couldnt move anywhere.. and anywhere you could walk there was a fucking tricycle |
| 15:39.08 | azeem | nvz: what are you talking about? |
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| 15:39.29 | nvz | dumb off-topic shit, so what does it matter :P |
| 15:39.33 | abrotman | azeem: it's a sporting goods chain in the states .. dickssportinggoods.com |
| 15:39.56 | azeem | you could at least drop the `shit' and `fuck' when you're off-topic |
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| 15:40.45 | abrotman | azeem: your kingsley-quotient just hit an all-time low! |
| 15:40.54 | nvz | yeah I suppose. but when a tricycle is right in the only available space to walk it becomes a fucking tricycle to me. |
| 15:41.49 | nvz | they are lucky I wasnt really interested in anything over there.. I was tempted to trample the thing.. heh |
| 15:42.07 | nvz | then sued them for tripping over it |
| 15:42.48 | nvz | yeah OCD sounds about right.. |
| 15:42.49 | MrMazda | Trewas: SuSE 10 aliases to NSL too, and probably Fedora 4. I'm trying to figure out when that aliasing started to happen generally. FC3 didn't do it, and that's surely newer than Sarge, no? |
| 15:43.08 | abrotman | MrMazda: ask #suse ? |
| 15:43.15 | abrotman | or #fedora .. |
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| 15:43.50 | MrMazda | abrotman: need whole story. Before Sarge, when was that aliasing not done? |
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| 15:43.58 | kolja | k |
| 15:44.08 | kolja | FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.15.6/kernel/drivers/char/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted |
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| 15:44.09 | Trewas | MrMazda: I would assume that has been done ever since firefox (and other browsers) started using fontconfig |
| 15:44.10 | abrotman | MrMazda: NFC .. i could care less about fonts as long as they're readable |
| 15:44.14 | BlackNet | well well well i think i found my problem |
| 15:44.16 | kolja | what is problem with module ? |
| 15:44.22 | BlackNet | it's not a libc6 problem it's a linux virus problem |
| 15:44.32 | kolja | fglrx.ko, Operation not permitted |
| 15:44.34 | kolja | ? |
| 15:44.35 | azeem | BlackNet: Linux virus? |
| 15:44.38 | BlackNet | yes |
| 15:44.45 | azeem | maybe you should elaborate |
| 15:44.54 | nvz | isnt there a site with all the changelogs on it he can look at to figure out this font thing |
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| 15:45.03 | nvz | I recall there being such |
| 15:45.04 | fatal_ | kolja: your user doesn't have permission to fuck up the kernel. |
| 15:45.32 | MrMazda | Trewas: mozilla.org builds of FF have always used fontconfig |
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| 15:46.05 | BlackNet | azeem elaborate in what sense |
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| 15:46.38 | abrotman | BlackNet: how do you know this ... and what worm/trojan/virus ? |
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| 15:47.07 | BlackNet | the scanner showed it infected and looking up the info on google yields the same problem thats going on on the box |
| 15:47.24 | Alex_BO2 | HELLO!How can i remove the firts five letters from a filename? For example "01 - Fool" ---> "Fool" |
| 15:47.26 | Trewas | MrMazda: maybe... /usr/share/doc/firefox/changelog.Debian.gz suggests that in debian it used fontconfig since version 0.5 |
| 15:47.51 | abrotman | BlackNet: scanner? |
| 15:47.57 | BlackNet | virus scanner |
| 15:47.59 | lewnidas_ | hello... |
| 15:48.00 | abrotman | Alex_BO2: cut ? |
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| 15:48.09 | abrotman | BlackNet: WHAT virus scanner? |
| 15:48.14 | lewnidas_ | can anyone helpme plz..... :/ |
| 15:48.23 | BlackNet | f-prot |
| 15:48.28 | Ronin | lewnidas_: not untill you tell us the problem |
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| 15:49.15 | Alex_BO2 | abrotman, and how can i use it for filenames? |
| 15:49.18 | abrotman | i'm trying to figure out if f-prot makes a linux client |
| 15:49.23 | abrotman | Alex_BO2: with rename ? |
| 15:49.30 | BlackNet | they do |
| 15:49.43 | Alex_BO2 | abrotman, thanks |
| 15:49.50 | lewnidas_ | when i'm trying to install debian from dvd i get this error: "Debootstrap Error" and i can't do nothing else.... |
| 15:49.51 | abrotman | Alex_BO2: you should be able use cut/awk/rename/sed .. all kinds of things .. |
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| 15:49.59 | kolja1243 | FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.15.6/kernel/drivers/char/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted |
| 15:50.07 | kolja1243 | please help .... |
| 15:50.16 | kolja1243 | what is problem with module? |
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| 15:50.23 | useruser | abrotman: use mmv |
| 15:50.28 | useruser | mmv '?????*' '#1' |
| 15:50.31 | abrotman | useruser: tell Alex_BO2not . me |
| 15:50.36 | useruser | abrotman: oopsie |
| 15:50.40 | useruser | Alex_BO2: ^^ |
| 15:50.42 | MrMazda | Trewas: that may have been so with Firebird or Phoenix, but the first Firefox was 0.8 |
| 15:50.45 | fatal_ | kolja1243: your user doesn't have permission to fuck up the kernel. |
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| 15:50.49 | Xteven | hello all |
| 15:50.54 | fatal_ | kolja1243: please stop repeating... |
| 15:50.54 | vin` | lewnidas_: old iso? |
| 15:50.57 | kolja1243 | fatal_: I'm root |
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| 15:51.08 | kolja1243 | fatal_: I try load module laik root |
| 15:51.09 | yggdrasil | Hello gents |
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| 15:51.25 | yggdrasil | can somone help me mount my external usb hard drive ? |
| 15:51.27 | BlackNet | f-prot detects 477 unix/linux viruses/trojans/etc.. |
| 15:51.28 | lewnidas_ | vin` what u meen? "old iso" ? |
| 15:51.29 | yggdrasil | i cant seem to figure it out |
| 15:51.35 | BlackNet | specific to unix/linux |
| 15:51.46 | fatal_ | kolja1243: then try complaining to ATI.... or try not to use their closed source stuff and use the opensource drivers instead... |
| 15:51.50 | Ronin | and the odds of you having one are well pretty darn slim |
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| 15:52.17 | abrotman | especially on woody :) |
| 15:52.21 | vin` | lewnidas_: the DVD, is it proper sarge? |
| 15:52.24 | Xteven | can someone tell me briefly what the result of partman is in the debian installer ? I know it makes partitions, formats and mounts down and it also makes /etc/fstab. But when I do all those things manually (installation proceeds normally after that) and the installer reboots, my / partition is not mounted readwrite. Any hints what I'm doing wrong ? |
| 15:52.33 | Xteven | bbiab |
| 15:52.41 | kolja1243 | fatal_: I try with packeage fglrx-kernel-src |
| 15:52.53 | BlackNet | going to the clients site this weekend and changing out the box |
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| 15:53.00 | kolja1243 | fatal_: ATI support only Suse or Red Hat |
| 15:53.07 | abrotman | kolja1243: no |
| 15:53.08 | fatal_ | kolja1243: there's your problem.... |
| 15:53.17 | fairway | hi what is the latex command to box a few lines of text? \fbox doesn't do the job. |
| 15:53.19 | abrotman | !ati debs |
| 15:53.19 | dpkg | somebody said ati debs was http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 15:53.23 | fatal_ | kolja1243: debian doesn't support non-free stuff. |
| 15:53.31 | nvz | BlackNet: I just read on my phone at work last night.. that umm AVG put out a linux version of AVG Free. it can be d/l at no cost and has a command line and GUI scanning interface, as well as a kernel module that you can recompile and it will do real-time scans |
| 15:53.32 | kolja1243 | fatal_: My problem? |
| 15:53.35 | thedrmay | hello , anybody knows why dpk-buildpackage can say this?: control file must have at least one binary package part |
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| 15:53.41 | useruser | fatal_: \fbox + \parbox, prolly, and #latex not #debian |
| 15:53.41 | abrotman | fatal_: that doesn't mean there aren't packages for it |
| 15:53.49 | BlackNet | yea seen that awhile back |
| 15:53.52 | useruser | hell's bells |
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| 15:53.56 | useruser | fatal_: sorry |
| 15:53.58 | lewnidas_ | vin` i'm using debian etch amd64 and i have an amd64 3200 |
| 15:54.00 | fairway | anyone? |
| 15:54.01 | useruser | fairway: ^^ |
| 15:54.04 | fairway | ah |
| 15:54.07 | fairway | \parbox? |
| 15:54.08 | fatal_ | abrotman: well, he just said they ain't working... so tough shit, right? :P |
| 15:54.10 | kolja1243 | fatal_: But But ATI Graphic card is not FREE?!?! |
| 15:54.18 | fairway | where is parbox? |
| 15:54.19 | abrotman | fatal_: not really .. you could actually help him |
| 15:54.28 | useruser | fairway: lurking in your computer |
| 15:54.29 | kolja1243 | fatal_: Where is free hardware ha ha |
| 15:54.40 | abrotman | kolja1243: which user is trying to insert that module ? |
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| 15:54.48 | abrotman | !tell kolja1243 about ati |
| 15:54.51 | vin` | lewnidas_: I would try a daily build netinstaller, YMMV. |
| 15:55.01 | fairway | pls |
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| 15:55.04 | kolja1243 | abrotman: root |
| 15:55.06 | fatal_ | kolja1243: the "ati" X drivers are free.... |
| 15:55.17 | useruser | fairway: pls what? |
| 15:55.22 | abrotman | kolja1243: which ATI card do you have? |
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| 15:55.35 | fairway | i guess fbox is only for 1 line? |
| 15:55.37 | fairway | isnt it? |
| 15:55.46 | peritus__ | how can i access /dev/ttyS0 without being root? |
| 15:55.48 | useruser | fairway: http://www.google.ca/search?fbox+paragraph |
| 15:55.55 | fairway | k |
| 15:56.16 | nvz | peritus__: adduser foo dialout |
| 15:56.20 | kolja1243 | abrotman: ATI Radion 9000 |
| 15:56.22 | peritus__ | nvz: thanks |
| 15:56.33 | nvz | peritus__: where foo is your username. you will need to logout and back in again for membership to take effect |
| 15:56.34 | abrotman | kolja1243: that card doesn't need flgrx .. use the radeon driver |
| 15:56.38 | lewnidas_ | vin` i can't do this because i'm only with a pstn inet connection.... :( |
| 15:56.43 | abrotman | kolja1243: should be in xfree and xorg already |
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| 15:56.53 | kolja1243 | abrotman: But I wont to use 3d acc |
| 15:56.56 | BlackNet | i really need to pull an image of this drive and take a goood long look at it. |
| 15:57.01 | yggdrasil | can somone help me mount my external usb hard drive ? i cant seem to figure i tou |
| 15:57.01 | nvz | peritus__: also verify permisions on that node (ls -l /dev/ttyS0) that its group is dialout |
| 15:57.08 | peritus__ | it is |
| 15:57.09 | abrotman | kolja1243: yes it will |
| 15:57.14 | fatal_ | kolja1243: the free driver has 3d acceleration too... |
| 15:57.17 | abrotman | or it should rather |
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| 15:57.49 | polopolo | !commands |
| 15:57.49 | dpkg | from memory, commands is The Linux command reference may be found here: http://justlinux.com/nhf/Command_Reference and here: http://justlinux.com/nhf/Shells/Basic_Console_Commands.html |
| 15:57.55 | kolja1243 | fatal_: mesa is now active... |
| 15:58.09 | kolja1243 | abrotman: mesa is active, that is not real 3d acc. |
| 15:58.14 | polopolo | !seen admin |
| 15:58.15 | dpkg | polopolo: i haven't seen 'admin' |
| 15:58.26 | polopolo | !help |
| 15:58.28 | kolja1243 | fatal_: Mesa is software 3d acc |
| 15:58.32 | azeem | polopolo: please /msg dpkg |
| 15:58.40 | fatal_ | kolja1243: you need "drm" modules in the kernel for 3d acceleration with free drivers.... |
| 15:58.58 | fatal_ | kolja1243: you also need to load the drm X modules, to take advantage of the kernel drm modules. |
| 15:58.58 | vin` | lewnidas_: tried #debian-amd64? |
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| 15:59.28 | kolja1243 | fatal_: I have drim and radeon module in memory |
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| 15:59.44 | fairway | fbox doesnt work for me |
| 16:00.04 | fairway | only with 1 line |
| 16:00.21 | lewnidas_ | vin` tnx for the info :) i didn't now this channel :} |
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| 16:01.05 | abrotman | kolja1243: RADEON .. i didn't say mesa |
| 16:01.13 | abrotman | !dri |
| 16:01.14 | dpkg | from memory, dri is Direct Rendering Infrastructure, included in X. see http://dri.sourceforge.net or #dri |
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| 16:04.19 | yggdrasil | im doing this sudo mount -t usbfs /dev/sda3 /mnt/usb |
| 16:04.19 | yggdrasil | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:04.30 | itrebal | how can i down-grade my packages? i ran update, but it was going through testing, and that... doesnt make me happy |
| 16:04.39 | vorpal | hi folks. can someone tell what happened to the "procps" package on amd64? certain important tools like "top", and "ps" are in this package, and it seems to be missing from the amd64 dist |
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| 16:06.01 | yggdrasil | anyone know whats up with this ?Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done E: The package linux-image-2.6.15.4.022806.1 needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. |
| 16:06.28 | vorpal | yggdrasil, sounds like a custom kernel |
| 16:06.56 | yggdrasil | but i cant get rid of it that msg comes up when i do apt-get install ... anythign.. |
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| 16:07.26 | vin` | yggdrasil: is that the kernel you're running? |
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| 16:07.34 | yggdrasil | no |
| 16:07.39 | vorpal | yggdrasil, if aren't actually running that kernel you can get rid of it |
| 16:07.46 | yggdrasil | how |
| 16:07.50 | Shib12 | Name a good bittorrent client with GUI |
| 16:07.51 | vorpal | dpkg -r |
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| 16:08.09 | vorpal | GoodBittorrentClientWithGUI |
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| 16:08.47 | yggdrasil | dpkg: error processing linux-image-2.6.15.4.022806.1 (--remove): Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal. Errors were encountered while processing: linux-image-2.6.15.4.022806.1 |
| 16:08.47 | dpkg | yggdrasil: that's too long |
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| 16:09.04 | Jhair | Shib12: none. mldonkeys GUIs are ridiculous |
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| 16:09.23 | Shib12 | Jhair: Okey :P |
| 16:09.43 | vorpal | dpkg: procps amd64 |
| 16:09.51 | yggdrasil | vorpal what do you make of that ? |
| 16:10.05 | vorpal | yggdrasil, no friggin clue, man |
| 16:10.14 | vin` | vorpal: tried #debian-amd64? |
| 16:10.20 | yggdrasil | vorpal hahahah |
| 16:10.23 | yggdrasil | me either |
| 16:10.23 | vorpal | vin`, tanks |
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| 16:10.44 | yggdrasil | vorpal im wondering ifi could just fake it with another custom kernel and rename it... ? and then -r |
| 16:11.08 | vin` | yggdrasil: how did you remove that kernel? |
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| 16:11.38 | yggdrasil | like |
| 16:11.42 | yggdrasil | with a pair of pliers |
| 16:11.57 | vin` | shoved it up where? |
| 16:12.01 | yggdrasil | i made a mistake of deleteing the .deb package |
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| 16:12.16 | yggdrasil | thats basicly what i didi |
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| 16:12.50 | MrMazda | nvz azeem Trewas thx for your help |
| 16:12.55 | cyberwolf2 | hello, what's the command to check what file belongs to what packet ? |
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| 16:13.44 | cyberwolf2 | query file ? |
| 16:13.48 | BlackNet | apt-file |
| 16:14.00 | vin` | yggdrasil: tried it in aptitude as well? |
| 16:14.07 | yggdrasil | hmm |
| 16:14.13 | yggdrasil | kind of ... ill try it again |
| 16:14.14 | vin` | BlackNet: where's the virus? what virus? |
| 16:14.36 | BlackNet | there's 2 total on this clients box. |
| 16:14.36 | yggdrasil | vim oh yea i did it tries to goes out from aptitpued and attempts to execute it then kind of fails. |
| 16:14.39 | Ronin | vin`: thats what we're all curious about |
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| 16:15.35 | vin` | BlackNet: can you put those up somewhere for inspection? |
| 16:15.45 | BlackNet | the infected files? |
| 16:16.03 | fairway | how do you increase the distance from the minipage border? |
| 16:16.22 | vin` | BlackNet: yes |
| 16:17.01 | BlackNet | think i'll pass on that one. this one's been out since 2001 |
| 16:17.15 | BlackNet | the other i've not looked up much on it yet |
| 16:17.23 | fairway | margin |
| 16:17.42 | Woody^working | I get "init: timeout opening/writing control channel /dev/initctl" if I want to do an "init 0". Weird, but I don't know why. Does someone have a hint? |
| 16:17.51 | unstable | What is a good competitive game for a tournament...THat is gpl or some license like it. Meaning I can charge for the tournament. |
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| 16:18.10 | Woody^working | It is a Debian Sarge with linux-2.6.13.1 |
| 16:18.28 | BlackNet | i was trying to upgrade to sarge when i ran into problems |
| 16:18.35 | Ronin | unstable: frozen bubble |
| 16:19.03 | unstable | Ronin: Something more mainstream, that more people know about. |
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| 16:21.30 | __Karina17__ | SOMEONE OF AUSTRALIA, SEND PRIVATE PLEASE |
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| 16:22.14 | vin` | __Karina17__: he's on the way, name's Ryan. |
| 16:22.18 | Ronin | __Karina17__: why? and stop with teh caps please |
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| 16:22.53 | MarcoPau | do you guys know if the only thing I need to use a usb mouse is compiling the hid support in the kernel? |
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| 16:24.05 | __Karina17__ | I AM OF CHILI BUT I AM GOING TO GO TO LIVE TO AUSTRALIA |
| 16:24.19 | petemc | MarcoPau: usbhid and mousedev, with the underlying usb support as well, obviously |
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| 16:24.35 | Ronin | __Karina17__: press you caps lock, this is a linux support channel not an immigration channel :) |
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| 16:25.41 | MarcoPau | petemc: great. is mousedev always under usb stuff? |
| 16:25.55 | __Karina17__ | Ronin I AM UNA GIRL HACK , AND WANT TO KNOW PEOPLE FROM AUSTRALIA FOR FRIEND |
| 16:26.04 | Ronin | sure you are |
| 16:26.18 | __Karina17__ | AND USE LINUX |
| 16:26.19 | petemc | MarcoPau: cant remember offhand |
| 16:26.38 | __Karina17__ | DEABIN SARGE , WITH DESKTOP ENLIGHTENMET |
| 16:26.45 | MarcoPau | petemc: alright I'll go back in linux and recompile. Thanks for your help |
| 16:26.58 | nicolas__ | __Karina17__: s*oot yourself |
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| 16:27.21 | MarcoPau | __Karina17__: press that damn caps lock please |
| 16:27.56 | nicolas__ | __Karina17__: press that damn power switch in the breaker box in your home |
| 16:28.04 | MarcoPau | heh |
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| 16:28.12 | fairway | winxp > debian |
| 16:28.23 | Ronin | sure it is |
| 16:28.42 | nicolas__ | fairway: shoo* yourself :P |
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| 16:29.10 | nicolas__ | do not even mention your crappy os here |
| 16:29.19 | MarcoPau | nicolas__: if you keep on changing the censored letter we'll get to understand what the word is! |
| 16:29.25 | nicolas__ | MarcoPau: hahaha |
| 16:29.31 | Ronin | hey now nicolas__ i like xp and windows, it keeps me employed |
| 16:29.44 | joloc | abrotman: thanks, installed java RE and fop, all fine. |
| 16:29.50 | nicolas__ | Ronin: is it a reason to talk about it ? no. |
| 16:30.00 | nicolas__ | Ronin: wear your shame in silence |
| 16:30.03 | MarcoPau | alright I'm off see ya |
| 16:30.09 | Ronin | nicolas__: beats flipping burgers :) |
| 16:30.13 | __Karina17__ | Ronin USE TERMINAL AND YOU PUT RM -RF |
| 16:30.13 | MarcoPau | LOL |
| 16:30.14 | thingfish | hehe |
| 16:30.34 | Ronin | that coming from somoene who cant find the caps lock? heh |
| 16:30.37 | abrotman | joloc: good |
| 16:30.42 | nicolas__ | haha |
| 16:30.45 | __Karina17__ | Ronin USE TERMINAL AND YOU PUT RM -RF |
| 16:30.52 | useruser | __Karina17__: bash: RM: command not found |
| 16:31.01 | abrotman | noone called ops? |
| 16:31.09 | Ronin | not yet |
| 16:31.09 | nicolas__ | __Karina17__: rm -rf without arguments is useless |
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| 16:31.53 | jazbo | So I'm trying to disable ipv6 completely and I figured keeping the ipv6 module from loading would be the thing to do. I followed the instructions in /msg dpkg blacklist, and then rebooted but when I did lsmod I found that the ipv6 module is still there. Any thoughts? |
| 16:32.13 | __Karina17__ | USE IN TERMINAL OF LINUX |
| 16:32.29 | Ronin | i did __Karina17__ nothing happens |
| 16:32.32 | thingfish | jazbo: yes - my thoughts on the subject are that you've engaged yourself in a fruitless endeavor. |
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| 16:33.03 | MarcoPau | ehm forgot about asking if there's any debian patched package of kernel 2.6.15 around |
| 16:33.14 | thingfish | MarcoPau: for sarge? |
| 16:33.19 | MarcoPau | sid |
| 16:33.28 | sdogi | somehow it doesn't seem logical that she is from australia |
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| 16:33.40 | MarcoPau | as far as I remember the latest in the debian repositories is 2.6.10 |
| 16:33.45 | abrotman | sdogi: she is not |
| 16:33.47 | thingfish | don't know then, MarcoPau. Seems like there should be a 2.6.15 in sid. |
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| 16:33.57 | thingfish | MarcoPau: not hardly. |
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| 16:34.05 | __Karina17__ | Ronin THIS COMMAN IS FOR FORMATTING LINUX |
| 16:34.06 | jazbo | thingfish, hmmmmm could you elaborate? I've ended up trying to do this all because I can't ssh from my windows box to my debian box. The windows client says "No further authentication methods available" |
| 16:34.15 | Ronin | __Karina17__: sure it is |
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| 16:34.19 | thingfish | jazbo: can't help with that. |
| 16:34.32 | __Karina17__ | RM = REMOVED -RF , REMOVED FINISHED |
| 16:34.39 | sdogi | lol |
| 16:34.40 | thingfish | I can only do entry-level assistance. :) |
| 16:34.55 | Fox | wow |
| 16:34.57 | Fox | smart girl :) |
| 16:35.08 | __Karina17__ | Ronin JAJAJAJAJAJA |
| 16:35.11 | sdogi | boy you got real education about unix commands somewhere |
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| 16:35.34 | Ronin | makes my windows users look smart __Karina17__ does |
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| 16:35.43 | thingfish | hehe |
| 16:35.44 | abrotman | __Karina17__: please go away |
| 16:35.51 | sdogi | oh, china |
| 16:35.56 | yggdrasil | is it tar -jxf for a tar.gz file ? |
| 16:36.06 | __Karina17__ | NOW YOUTO RESUME THE COMPUTER AND YOU TO APPEAR NOTHING |
| 16:36.13 | Fox | yggdrasil: no, xzf |
| 16:36.26 | sdogi | j is for bzip2 |
| 16:36.47 | thingfish | !ops __Karina17__ is being a major tard. |
| 16:36.48 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: __Karina17__ is being a major tard. |
| 16:36.50 | Fox | Ronin: you have windows users ? what a shame :/ |
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| 16:37.04 | omi | Hello Where can I find documentation on how APT works, I'm interested in the APT database part |
| 16:37.24 | Ronin | Fox: 140 of them for me alone, 800+ in the dept but like i said its better then flipping burgers :) just barely somedays mind you |
| 16:37.24 | abrotman | omi: man apt-get ? |
| 16:37.25 | Fox | omi: read the sources ? |
| 16:37.34 | Fox | hehe |
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| 16:37.46 | omi | People you have problem reading |
| 16:37.49 | thingfish | ok, all you elitist pseudo gurus - most people employed in the IT field support windows servers and clients. it pays the bills; don't knock it. |
| 16:37.51 | __Karina17__ | ish hehe |
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| 16:37.51 | __Karina17__ | Ronin that coming from somoene who cant find the caps lock? heh |
| 16:37.51 | __Karina17__ | abrotman joloc: good |
| 16:37.52 | __Karina17__ | nicolas__ haha |
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| 16:38.02 | omi | again, I said documentation on how APT works |
| 16:38.11 | omi | I'm interested in the overview |
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| 16:38.24 | __Karina17__ | __Karina17__ USE IN TERMINAL OF LINUX |
| 16:38.26 | __Karina17__ | Ronin i did __Karina17__ nothing happens |
| 16:38.28 | __Karina17__ | thingfish jazbo: yes - my thoughts on the subject are that you've engaged yourself in a fruitless endeavor. |
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| 16:38.33 | nicolas__ | __Karina17__: hahaha youre so dumb |
| 16:38.34 | __Karina17__ | MarcoPau ehm forgot about asking if there's any debian patched package of kernel 2.6.15 around |
| 16:38.36 | __Karina17__ | thingfish MarcoPau: for sarge? |
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| 16:38.40 | thingfish | !ops where the hell are you |
| 16:38.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: where the hell are you |
| 16:38.42 | abrotman | LoRez: thank you |
| 16:38.47 | abrotman | thingfish: run! |
| 16:38.47 | thingfish | thanks LoRez. |
| 16:38.49 | nicolas__ | __Karina17__: you think you make all these ppl crash? |
| 16:38.53 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 16:39.31 | jazbo | Damit can't we boot karina? |
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| 16:39.42 | LoRez | jazbo: pay attention. |
| 16:39.45 | Ronin | heh |
| 16:40.09 | sdogi | she was so nice, 17 and all |
| 16:40.21 | thingfish | right; probably 45 and male. |
| 16:40.23 | Tallu | yeah and the way she typed, you could just tell how beautiful she was |
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| 16:40.38 | nicolas__ | i think she had a sort of penis |
| 16:40.48 | sdogi | :D |
| 16:40.49 | nicolas__ | you know, some kind of |
| 16:40.51 | Tallu | a tiny one, yes! |
| 16:40.56 | nicolas__ | ;) |
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| 16:44.17 | gpm | hi all. i know i can do stuff like rename 's/ /_/g' *.mp3 ... but what if i wanted to do the same thing but change all " to ' ? i can't just do rename 's/"/'/g' *.mp3 (i've tried it)...so how would i do it? thanks. |
| 16:45.44 | nicolas__ | gpm: i have made a script that might help you a couple of years ago |
| 16:45.46 | nicolas__ | wait a moment |
| 16:45.58 | gpm | ok. thanks' |
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| 16:47.20 | abrotman | gpm: escape the quotes ? |
| 16:47.51 | nicolas__ | gpm: well its almost the same thing as yours |
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| 16:48.13 | yggdrasil | how can i make wget get the entire directory ? |
| 16:48.32 | gpm | abrotman: you mean with \ ? |
| 16:48.38 | lamp_ | totem can't start when esd is running, has anyone a solution |
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| 16:48.50 | gpm | nicolas__: what's different? |
| 16:48.54 | lamp_ | I'm running debian testing |
| 16:49.25 | gpm | i don't know any perl |
| 16:49.28 | michael117 | Is there a GUI tool out there to easily edit your fstab and mount partitions with? |
| 16:49.31 | gpm | so i'm not sure what to escape the quotes with |
| 16:49.39 | Kev111 | kann jemand deutsch? |
| 16:49.42 | gpm | in bash it would be \ |
| 16:49.48 | gpm | !#debian.de |
| 16:50.06 | Kev111 | thx :) |
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| 16:50.09 | nicolas__ | gpm: its in a script :P |
| 16:50.15 | gpm | Kev111: no prob |
| 16:50.27 | gpm | Kev111: ich kann deutsch...kleine |
| 16:50.28 | dood | is xmms supposed to flash in the gnome panel when selected? (gnome 2.12.3 debian unstable) |
| 16:50.40 | gpm | nicolas__: oooh. well if you can find it. awesome. |
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| 16:50.58 | nicolas__ | gpm: sure, in a minute |
| 16:51.05 | gpm | Kev111: #debian.de will help more. /j #debian.de |
| 16:51.08 | gpm | nicolas__: thanks |
| 16:51.14 | FlimFlamMan | are there reasons to use apache2-mpm-prefork over apache2-mpm-worker? |
| 16:51.27 | gpm | FlimFlamMan: yeah, read the package descriptions |
| 16:51.33 | GutterPunk | Hi, how do I install the perl documentation commands on debian? Like "perlop" and "perlfunc" for example? I don't know what package it is in |
| 16:51.47 | gary | Hey, i got the error E: Couldn't find package kernel-headers-2.6.12-1-k7 when doing m-a prepare |
| 16:51.53 | Fox | GutterPunk: apt-cache search perldoc |
| 16:51.56 | gpm | gary: so install it |
| 16:52.02 | nicolas__ | gpm: http://66.130.209.161:8080/adjust.sh |
| 16:52.05 | yggdrasil | how can i make wget get an entire directory entire directory ? |
| 16:52.08 | gary | I am trying to install the nvidia driver. I have "nv" installed, but my screen is not at the correct resolution |
| 16:52.08 | sdogi | GutterPunk: perl-doc |
| 16:52.22 | dood | gary: apt-get install kenerl-headers-`uname -r` |
| 16:52.27 | gary | gpm: It is not available on apt-get. 2.6-11-1 is and i did instal them, not sure if it has to be the exact one |
| 16:52.34 | Woody^working | gpm, sed -e 's/\"/\'/g' |
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| 16:52.38 | Fox | yggdrasil: -r ? |
| 16:52.38 | dood | gary: it has to match the kernel |
| 16:52.41 | gpm | gary: yeah, it does |
| 16:52.44 | FlimFlamMan | what kinds of "non-thread-safe" libraries might make apache2-mpm-prefork more appropriate than apache2-mpm-worker? |
| 16:52.46 | gary | well, on apt-get it is not there |
| 16:52.48 | gpm | Woody^working: for file names? |
| 16:52.52 | thingfish | gary: how are you trying to install them? |
| 16:52.54 | gpm | nicolas__: thanks |
| 16:52.55 | dood | gary: sometimes they are named "linux-headers" too |
| 16:52.56 | Woody^working | gpm, yes |
| 16:52.59 | gary | oh right |
| 16:53.01 | gary | I'll check |
| 16:53.08 | dood | gary: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 16:53.13 | thingfish | !tell gary about nvidia one-liner |
| 16:53.16 | yggdrasil | fox uhmm... it jsut grabbed index.html and roobts.txt |
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| 16:53.44 | Fox | yggdrasil: are you sure there's something else in this directory ? |
| 16:53.59 | yggdrasil | yea |
| 16:54.11 | yggdrasil | if i go with a web broweser it full |
| 16:54.21 | gary | I did an apt-cache search for 2.6.12 and this was all that came up: linux-image-2.6.12-1-k7 - Linux kernel 2.6.12 image on AMD K7 machines |
| 16:54.24 | gary | no headers |
| 16:54.25 | gpm | Woody^working: how would i actually apply that? put that in place of the perl string in rename? |
| 16:54.40 | gary | thingfish: That is the exact thing I am following |
| 16:54.45 | gary | m-a prepare fails |
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| 16:54.55 | Woody^working | gpm, I thought you wanted sed and that is bash.... |
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| 16:55.00 | thingfish | gary: ok good. try linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 16:55.06 | kronoz | how can install make-jpkg? |
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| 16:55.21 | azeem | kronoz: java-package |
| 16:55.23 | gary | nothing |
| 16:55.43 | Woody^working | echo "foo\"bar" | sed -e 's/\"/\'/g' |
| 16:55.56 | thingfish | gary: sarge, etch, or sid? |
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| 16:56.14 | gary | thingfish: 3.1, sarge I think? |
| 16:56.26 | thingfish | gary: then they're called kernel-headers |
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| 16:56.38 | thingfish | gary: what's uname -r show? |
| 16:56.45 | gary | yea, I searched through all available "kernel-headers", but none that match exactly |
| 16:56.55 | gary | thingfish: outputs: 2.6.12-1-k7 |
| 16:57.03 | GutterPunk | Fox, sdogi wel I have perl-doc... it gives me the man-pages... but not the commands |
| 16:57.08 | thingfish | that's an obsolete kernel. |
| 16:57.12 | thingfish | afaik |
| 16:57.27 | GutterPunk | I'm talking about stuff like "perlop comma"... this should be a command... at least that's what the book says |
| 16:57.30 | thingfish | better look, I guess. |
| 16:57.30 | gary | I looked and I think think there is anything later than this, so will I have to downgrade |
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| 16:58.27 | thingfish | gary: that kernel is not officially part of sarge. Where did you get it? |
| 16:58.29 | gpm | nicolas__: yeah, that's the same idea, but the trouble is that i want to replace "s with 's...so the quotes are a bit troublesome. |
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| 16:58.38 | abrotman | gpm: yes |
| 16:59.00 | gary | I used apt-get |
| 16:59.23 | FoxAFK | bye |
| 16:59.27 | gpm | abrotman: i tried escaping the quotes, like find . -depth -name '* *' -type f -print0 | xargs -r0 rename 's/\"/\'/g' ... but bash still thinks i just didn't finish a quote somewhere becuase it gave me > to finish my command. |
| 17:00.02 | thingfish | gary: it must've been some time ago. |
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| 17:00.11 | gary | I think it probably was |
| 17:00.21 | thingfish | gary: would 2.6.15 work for you? |
| 17:00.24 | gary | I'll have a look to see if there is one I can re-install |
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| 17:00.39 | gary | thingfish: I'll try |
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| 17:00.57 | abrotman | gpm: uhm ok .. if you say so :) |
| 17:01.06 | gpm | abrotman: what it works for you? |
| 17:01.07 | gary | thingfish: I can't find that kernel in apt though |
| 17:01.19 | thingfish | gary: there's a 2.6.15 in backports.org, for sarge - I've been using it for a month now, no problems. |
| 17:01.31 | gary | thingfish: what about headers for it? |
| 17:01.38 | thingfish | gary: they'll have them too. |
| 17:01.41 | abrotman | gpm: no .. i didn't try it .. but it really should |
| 17:01.53 | gpm | abrotman: shit. |
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| 17:02.42 | phaedral | never noticed www.debian.org was in frames; first visit in lynx... |
| 17:02.43 | thingfish | gary: if you decide to use backports.org, add this line to /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://www.backports.org/debian/ sarge-backports main contrib non-free |
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| 17:03.01 | thingfish | gary: then apt-get update, and you should see a few new items. |
| 17:03.20 | gary | I hope OO version 2 is aviailable ;D |
| 17:03.25 | thingfish | gary: it is, iirc. |
| 17:03.36 | sepski | gary, i'd recomend reading the instructions on backports.org, since you usualy dont want to install _ALL_ of backports |
| 17:03.39 | thingfish | so is firefox 1.5.01 |
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| 17:03.57 | mentor | meh |
| 17:04.03 | mentor | sorry, I was outside fixing my car |
| 17:04.05 | gary | sepski: the FAQ/HELP doesn't work there :-( |
| 17:04.09 | thingfish | gary: but don't go wild with backports packages, I won't use more than a few things from there. |
| 17:04.13 | phaedral | hmmph; typo in url |
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| 17:04.43 | grendal_prime | hey guys...hows things? |
| 17:04.56 | sepski | gary, the instructions contains info for the preferences file. that way you can do aptitude -t sarge-backports when you want to add something from backports |
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| 17:05.15 | gary | oh right, thanks |
| 17:05.17 | grendal_prime | abrotman, i got a question about debain and i guess gnu...how free are we exactly to profit with this distro? |
| 17:05.35 | SlayerXP | grendal_prime: I've never even heard of Debain, is it new? |
| 17:05.47 | gary | What window managers are you guys using out of interest |
| 17:05.56 | abrotman | grendal_prime: huh? .. you can sell Debian .. (you have to prvide source also) |
| 17:05.56 | grendal_prime | like if i went into a company and just started installing on machines...sorry typo..its cold debian |
| 17:05.57 | abrotman | !polls |
| 17:05.57 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 17:06.06 | abrotman | grendal_prime: you can do that .. other companies do |
| 17:06.21 | grendal_prime | right.. |
| 17:06.23 | abrotman | grendal_prime: you have to provide somewhere to get the source afaik .. |
| 17:06.36 | gpm | abrotman: you didn't happen to try that command did you? |
| 17:06.37 | abrotman | !tell gary about popcon |
| 17:06.48 | abrotman | gpm: nah .. i'm trying to find a speaker of all damn things |
| 17:06.55 | grendal_prime | i did some work for an isp last year, they said they didnt like it cause you cant "make money" with it? |
| 17:06.58 | gpm | abrotman: damn...ok. |
| 17:07.00 | abrotman | you know .. the BEEP speaker |
| 17:07.10 | abrotman | grendal_prime: they lied |
| 17:07.13 | abrotman | or are clueless |
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| 17:07.27 | grendal_prime | i didnt press the issue they said they prefered bsd because it was liscensable |
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| 17:07.48 | abrotman | depends on what you're doing with it .. but i suspect they're stupid |
| 17:07.57 | grendal_prime | none of it made any sence to me at the time but like i say i didnt have time to dig any deeper |
| 17:08.00 | abrotman | i still need a speaker |
| 17:08.11 | grendal_prime | ill send ya one |
| 17:08.11 | abrotman | grendal_prime: BSDL is a good bit different than GPL |
| 17:08.24 | abrotman | grendal_prime: i have regular speakers .. i need a BEEEEEEEP speaker |
| 17:08.37 | abrotman | and it should be somewhere in this darn office |
| 17:08.39 | grendal_prime | board speeker? |
| 17:08.40 | gary | brb, rebooting |
| 17:08.44 | abrotman | grendal_prime: yeah |
| 17:08.49 | pipeline | abrotman: heh, disable your soundcard. Your "BEEEEEEEEEEEEP" speaker will get used for all kinds of things by the kernel :P |
| 17:09.02 | abrotman | pipeline: IT HAS NO BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP SPEAKER! |
| 17:09.12 | grendal_prime | shit...there is enough carcuses around here...ill fax it to ya? or you got a replicater terminal there anywhere? |
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| 17:09.35 | grendal_prime | everyone close your eyes |
| 17:09.47 | grendal_prime | raping going on... |
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| 17:11.07 | grendal_prime | the main reason im asking is im seriously looking at working over a few users boxes here and using debian stable. Second boxes for some of the it staff. The opposition is going to be asking about licensing, ive tried explaining that there is none but they dont seem to get it |
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| 17:12.00 | michael117 | Is there a GUI tool out there to easily edit your fstab and mount partitions with? |
| 17:14.00 | fluxdude | I'm trying to run a program like ./program args > program.progress 2>&1 & but the output is not appearing in the file until the program exists. Does anybody know how I can get the output as it goes along? |
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| 17:14.00 | Anthro | I'm looking for a way to log output from a command with something that can be signaled to close and reopen the output file so I can rotate the log. Does anyone know of something appropriate? |
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| 17:14.01 | foo2 | Err - any ops around? I can't join in here as foo ... it says I am banned. I think someone else's ban is affecting me ... I have no reason to be banned. |
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| 17:14.01 | grendal_prime | speaking of raping, anyone have a problem with mcafees latest broken .dat? |
| 17:14.02 | Anthro | fluxdude: You could try tee. |
| 17:14.06 | grendal_prime | michael117, i think there is a admin package for gnome that does that |
| 17:14.06 | foo2 | !ops |
| 17:14.06 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 17:14.23 | nicolas__ | grendal_prime: mcafees applications under linux ?! |
| 17:14.38 | azeem | foo2: hang on |
| 17:14.40 | grendal_prime | no just windows im sure |
| 17:14.49 | foo2 | azeem: Alright - thank you. |
| 17:14.49 | grendal_prime | i know its off topic..was just curriouse |
| 17:14.57 | azeem | foo2: is foo your registered freenode nick? |
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| 17:15.06 | foo2 | azeem: Yes |
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| 17:15.23 | nicolas__ | grendal_prime: so this is an anti-virus for linux ? :P |
| 17:15.27 | foo2 | azeem: foo [n=foo@unaffiliated/foo] |
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| 17:15.45 | grendal_prime | no |
| 17:15.50 | Phlexonance | how do I mount an usb stick, I have tried many variations sda-e1-10 |
| 17:16.05 | grendal_prime | it was apparently whiping out a bunch of .exe's |
| 17:16.05 | jazbo_ | exit |
| 17:16.09 | nicolas__ | Phlexonance: sda1 usually |
| 17:16.15 | Anthro | Phlexonance: When you plug it in, check dmesg for what device it was assigned. |
| 17:16.17 | azeem | foo2: could you try putting your Realname into ircname? |
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| 17:16.24 | azeem | foo2: or something else than `foo |
| 17:16.30 | azeem | "foo", rather |
| 17:16.55 | phaedral | path to etch: netinst-iso to stable, apt-get upgrade testing? |
| 17:16.55 | foo2 | azeem: Bah. I wonder if that's in the irssi config. I thought that just defaulted to whatever user irssi is being ran as. |
| 17:16.55 | gary | well the kernel and headers are install thingfish |
| 17:17.03 | azeem | foo2: it is |
| 17:17.04 | gary | thingfish: however, it doesn't work when I do startx |
| 17:17.15 | azeem | settings = { |
| 17:17.15 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:17.15 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:17.15 | mirotrem | Hey guys..I am trying to use softdog....from what I have read..if I load the softdog module it should start checking the /dev/watchdog and if it doesn't get changed in 60 sec reboot the system? |
| 17:17.20 | gary | modprobe produces no errors, insmod says nvidia can not be found |
| 17:17.20 | foo2 | azeem: ah, thanks |
| 17:17.31 | azeem | foo2: there is a realname ban on `foo' for unrelated reasons |
| 17:17.46 | pipeline | azeem: What are those reasons? |
| 17:17.51 | azeem | initzero |
| 17:17.58 | Phlexonance | Anthro: it tells me "Buffer I/O error on device sda1, logical block [some high number]" |
| 17:18.13 | jazbo | Anyone know if enabling "tunneled cleartext passwords" in sshd is really as dangerous as it sounds? |
| 17:18.24 | zinx | wth is up with this free-binary/free-source stuff? |
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| 17:18.36 | zinx | oh, oops |
| 17:18.39 | nicolas__ | jazbo: it looks like |
| 17:18.43 | mirotrem | more to the point..when I load softdog and keep watchdog off..it doesn't reboot my machine at all..just trying to test it...anyone know what I am doing wrong? |
| 17:19.05 | Anthro | Phlexonance: Well, sounds like it is having an issue with it. Does it work on any other machines? |
| 17:19.05 | nicolas__ | jazbo: just the words "cleartext passwords" is frightening |
| 17:19.06 | Phlexonance | Anthro: yes works on my (windows) laptop |
| 17:19.17 | gary | nevermind |
| 17:19.25 | gary | got it working now :D |
| 17:19.33 | Anthro | jazbo: It is slightly less secure and gives very slightly better performance. It pretty much isn't worth it. |
| 17:19.42 | Phlexonance | Anthro: my debian machine is rather fresh, maybe it lacks some usb drivers? |
| 17:20.02 | Anthro | Phlexonance: That is certainly possible. And it seems likely. |
| 17:20.05 | gary | thingfish: thanks for your help... and everyone else |
| 17:20.05 | jazbo | Anthro, it looks like I can't connect from my windows box to my debian box without enabling it |
| 17:20.16 | gary | Just as one thing works, another thing breaks, my sound now!!! |
| 17:20.24 | Phlexonance | Anthro: what are the drivers called |
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| 17:20.49 | gary | Just wondering, I did an apt-get upgrade to see what packages were required, and it said about a kernel-image. What if I don't want it. is there an easy way of telling it to upgrade everything but this? |
| 17:21.21 | vira | jazbo: you can send the password as cleartext, or you can send a hash of the password instead. the latter option requires the password to be stored on the host in cleartext |
| 17:21.40 | Anthro | Phlexonance: What kernel version? |
| 17:21.45 | vira | jazbo: the first option is bad in the context of man in the middle attacks, the second option is bad if the host gets compromised |
| 17:21.57 | Phlexonance | Anthro: 2.6.8 I believe |
| 17:21.58 | Anthro | gary: You can place a package on hold. |
| 17:22.18 | gary | Anthro: cool, is that what most people do with kernels? |
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| 17:22.28 | Anthro | Phlexonance: modprobe uhci_hcd ohci_hcd ehci_hcd |
| 17:22.28 | jazbo | vira, but by cleartext, it's still in some kind of encrypted tunnel right? |
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| 17:22.41 | vira | jazbo: yeah, ssh forms a secure tunnel before sending any login/pass info |
| 17:23.04 | jazbo | Okay, got it. Thanks for the help folks |
| 17:23.16 | Anthro | gary: No, most people upgrade their kernels when a new version is available. A kernel image that replaces an old version is usually released for security reasons. |
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| 17:23.48 | Phlexonance | Anthro: apt-get cant find those |
| 17:24.04 | Anthro | Phlexonance: Did I say apt-get? I said modprobe. |
| 17:24.16 | gary | Anthro: If a kernel is released, are the headers for it always released with it? |
| 17:24.27 | Anthro | gary: In general, yes. |
| 17:24.39 | Phlexonance | Anthro: no return value |
| 17:24.59 | Anthro | Phlexonance: That's fine, that means they loaded. Check lsmod. |
| 17:25.02 | yggdrasil | is there some sort of screen saver i can put on my consoles ? |
| 17:25.17 | Anthro | Phlexonance: You also want usb_storage, I believe. |
| 17:25.37 | Phlexonance | Anthro: yes its all there |
| 17:26.06 | Anthro | Phlexonance: So now try plugging in the stick and check dmesg. |
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| 17:26.27 | kronoz | hi, can anyone help me with openoffice? everytime i move the cursor over the tool bar at the top all the tools disappear |
| 17:26.30 | Phlexonance | Anthro: USB Mass Storage device found at 4 |
| 17:26.49 | Anthro | Phlexonance: Good. That's much more promising. |
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| 17:26.53 | kronoz | only ever had it happen on debian |
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| 17:27.19 | Anthro | Phlexonance: So you should try mounting /dev/sda1. Or possibly just /dev/sda. |
| 17:27.20 | Skrot | Hi. I've got a laptop and would like to use two monitors (the integrated one, and an external via VGA). Do I need to reconfigure X.Org to use both screens? |
| 17:27.31 | Skrot | E.g get a different resolution on them |
| 17:27.40 | Phlexonance | Anthro: sda1, sda4 and sda doesnt work |
| 17:27.57 | Anthro | Phlexonance: try sdd and sdd1 |
| 17:28.12 | Phlexonance | Anthro: doesnt work either |
| 17:28.31 | Anthro | Phlexonance: What error does it give? |
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| 17:28.40 | Phlexonance | Anthro: mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 17:28.45 | avtobiff | Skrot, yes |
| 17:28.50 | Anthro | Phlexonance: *sigh* |
| 17:28.57 | Anthro | Phlexonance: Yes, you must specify the filesystem. |
| 17:29.07 | Skrot | avtobiff: isee :) |
| 17:29.07 | yggdrasil | anthro im doing the same thing |
| 17:29.08 | Anthro | Phlexonance: mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 |
| 17:29.20 | Anthro | yggdrasil: The same thing as what? |
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| 17:29.35 | yggdrasil | you trying to mount a usb hd ? |
| 17:29.35 | Phlexonance | Anthro: what, I alwas got this till now when it was the wrong device, I never had to specify a filesystem till now^^ |
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| 17:29.40 | Anthro | yggdrasil: Phlexonance is trying to mount a USB stick. |
| 17:30.00 | yggdrasil | oh i coudlnt figure it out this morning i have a usb hd should be about the same procedure ??? |
| 17:30.03 | Eulex | Anthro, there's not much difference in approach. |
| 17:30.03 | Anthro | Phlexonance: Ah. Well, the fact that it believes in it as a device and wants a filesystem type is goof. |
| 17:30.05 | Anthro | good |
| 17:30.13 | Anthro | yggdrasil: Yes. |
| 17:30.21 | Anthro | Eulex: True. |
| 17:30.25 | avtobiff | :-) |
| 17:30.29 | yggdrasil | i was doing mount -t usbfs /dev/sda3 /mnt/usb .. and i wasnt getting anything |
| 17:30.41 | Anthro | yggdrasil: Yeah, it isn't usbfs. |
| 17:30.51 | dhuv | I am using the testing repository and I see that linux kernel 2.6.15 is out but it will require me to remove hotplug. Is this normal? |
| 17:30.58 | Eulex | yggdrasil, usbfs? :) what file system is it really? |
| 17:31.06 | Phlexonance | Anthro: how can I find out what fs-type it has (vfat, fat and nfts doesnt work) |
| 17:31.08 | Anthro | yggdrasil: usbfs is a special virtual filesystem type to let you explore your usb device tree. |
| 17:31.09 | yggdrasil | well i just wanna mount it to format it |
| 17:31.11 | gary | Can anyone recall where the driver for creative soundblaster is. snd_emu10k1 I think it is |
| 17:31.21 | yggdrasil | anthro well i just wanna mount it to format it it will be ext3 when im done |
| 17:31.22 | Anthro | Phlexonance: It should be one of those. |
| 17:31.24 | Eulex | yggdrasil, you format it, then you moun it. |
| 17:31.29 | Anthro | yggdrasil: You don't mount to format. |
| 17:31.35 | Anthro | yggdrasil: You format the device. |
| 17:31.36 | yggdrasil | well i couldnt do either |
| 17:31.36 | yggdrasil | haha |
| 17:31.53 | Anthro | Phlexonance: If it mounts on the Windows side, it has to be one of those filesystems. |
| 17:31.53 | Eulex | yggdrasil, mkfs.ext3 |
| 17:31.56 | yggdrasil | i wasnt sure wich device it was so i kinda of stopped |
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| 17:32.37 | Eulex | yggdrasil, and you may need to partition it. if so, use cfdisk. |
| 17:33.11 | yggdrasil | i tried cfdisk /dev/sda3 and i got nothing |
| 17:33.14 | cahoot | gary: that's the alsa driver, where it's to be found depends on what kernel you use |
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| 17:33.27 | Eulex | yggdrasil, well, define "nothing" |
| 17:33.28 | Anthro | yggdrasil: cfdisk operates on a disk, not a partition. cfdisk /dev/sda |
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| 17:33.52 | yggdrasil | cfdisk cant access the drive. ... with sudo cfdisk /dev/sda |
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| 17:33.55 | gary | cahoot: hmmm |
| 17:34.01 | gary | I just need to configure it |
| 17:34.07 | FiKu | gary how are you |
| 17:34.07 | dpkg | FiKu: you know how it is... |
| 17:34.11 | cahoot | gary: run alsaconf |
| 17:34.11 | tag | Ok, so the lastlog |
| 17:34.14 | gary | thanks |
| 17:34.16 | Eulex | yggdrasil, well, are you sure it's /dev/sda? |
| 17:34.21 | tag | it cycles every month, or rather, clears every month |
| 17:34.22 | tag | is there a way I can change that |
| 17:34.24 | yggdrasil | no ;( |
| 17:34.27 | FiKu | dpkg no i from slovakia |
| 17:34.28 | tag | make it every two months |
| 17:34.29 | Anthro | yggdrasil: Unplug the usb cable from the drive, plug it in again, and see what dmesg says. |
| 17:34.38 | ondro | gary Hello, how are you |
| 17:34.38 | dpkg | ondro: mas o menos |
| 17:34.40 | yggdrasil | im remote to the computer |
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| 17:34.54 | yggdrasil | ill reboot it .... gime a bit |
| 17:34.58 | Matus | nazdar |
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| 17:35.05 | FiKu | matus hello |
| 17:35.08 | foo | azeem: Thanks. |
| 17:35.13 | azeem | cheers |
| 17:35.15 | FiKu | foo i too |
| 17:35.19 | Matus | FiKu hello |
| 17:35.22 | Anthro | yggdrasil: You'll want to look at dmesg to see what device it got. Also, makes sure usb_storage is loaded. |
| 17:35.27 | FiKu | azeem table |
| 17:35.35 | foo | FiKu: ? |
| 17:35.41 | FiKu | foo? |
| 17:35.41 | Matus | vy tu piste po slovensky a nie inymi jazikmi |
| 17:35.48 | FiKu | foo foo? |
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| 17:35.53 | S4nD3r | How to setup my mysql server in debian ??? |
| 17:35.55 | Matus | kto vynasiel hdd |
| 17:35.56 | yggdrasil | antrho ill check back in a bit |
| 17:35.57 | S4nD3r | Its different |
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| 17:36.05 | ondro | Matus cosa sere¹ |
| 17:36.17 | Matus | S4nD3r you is different |
| 17:36.26 | Phlexonance | Anthro: I mounted it with "usbfs" but it doesnt show me the files on the usb stick, instead some other weird files, just a couple of bytes |
| 17:36.47 | Anthro | S4nD3r: apt-get install mysql-server-4.1 |
| 17:36.49 | Matus | ondro ty sa sere¹ |
| 17:36.55 | S4nD3r | I installed |
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| 17:37.06 | S4nD3r | /usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed |
| 17:37.08 | yggdrasil | usb-storage: device found at 3 |
| 17:37.11 | yggdrasil | anthro |
| 17:37.13 | Anthro | Phlexonance: usbfs is NOT a real filesystem! You are not looking at anything on the stick itself. |
| 17:37.13 | yggdrasil | eulix |
| 17:37.14 | S4nD3r | When I try to start I get it |
| 17:37.18 | Anthro | yggdrasil: ? |
| 17:37.20 | Matus | S4nD3r you is dick |
| 17:37.21 | Eulex | yggdrasil, and more? |
| 17:37.23 | FiKu | some girl for chat for me |
| 17:37.33 | yggdrasil | USB Mass Storage support registered. |
| 17:37.35 | ondro | Matus nehci ma nasra» |
| 17:37.40 | Matus | FiKu is won |
| 17:37.40 | GFDL | FiKu, WTF |
| 17:37.45 | Phlexonance | Anthro: oh, ok |
| 17:37.46 | Anthro | !ops Matus and FiKu are trolls, at best. Maybe ondro as well. |
| 17:37.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: Matus and FiKu are trolls, at best. Maybe ondro as well. |
| 17:37.50 | yggdrasil | sound about right guys ? |
| 17:37.52 | FiKu | who is WTF |
| 17:38.02 | GFDL | sigh |
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| 17:38.20 | Eulex | yggdrasil, well, does it tell anything about any device? |
| 17:38.31 | Alex | Ha, I parsed that as "LoREz is a troll2 ;) |
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| 17:38.43 | foo | Alex: You freak. |
| 17:38.48 | Alex | foo: :o |
| 17:38.50 | foo | Alex: :P |
| 17:39.35 | Anthro | Phlexonance: So /dev/sda is a real device? |
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| 17:39.43 | foo | How would I go about getting the kernel 2.6.12 kernel? and the source? What's the best way? Should I just grab the source from kernel.org and build? |
| 17:39.47 | Phlexonance | Anthro: tried it on the windows machine, it is normal "FAT", but mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 gives me "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1" |
| 17:39.47 | Anthro | Phlexonance: It isn't sdd or something? |
| 17:40.04 | Anthro | Phlexonance: see what cfdisk /dev/sda shows you. |
| 17:40.39 | Phlexonance | Anthro: FATAL ERROR: Bad primary partition 0: Partition ends in the final partial cylinder |
| 17:40.44 | Eulex | Phlexonance, fdisk -l /dev/sda will also be helpful. |
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| 17:41.47 | madclicker | is there a way to get qemu system to pickup an IP address direct from our DHCP server? |
| 17:42.27 | Phlexonance | Eulex: and what exactly should I read out from fdisk -l |
| 17:43.16 | Phlexonance | Anthro: fdisk -l tells me that the usb stick has different physical/logical endings |
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| 17:43.23 | Eulex | Phlexonance, if succesful, it will tell you what partitions there are and some info about it. |
| 17:43.53 | Phlexonance | Eulex: yes there is one partition formatted wirh fat, but I still cant mount it |
| 17:44.09 | Eulex | Phlexonance, hmm |
| 17:44.14 | gary | something strange is happening |
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| 17:44.48 | yggdrasil | hm dont see anytig aboug the device itself but i did when i pluged it in. |
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| 17:45.10 | madclicker | anyone using qemu? |
| 17:45.10 | gary | I am in my ~/.fluxbox directory/ And there I do a directory listing. There is NO file named "lastwallpaper", so I do "vim last" and press tab, and it goes to lastwallpaper. So I do "locate lastwallpaper", and it says that the directory I am in has a file called that |
| 17:45.14 | gary | but I can't see it |
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| 17:45.46 | Phlexonance | Eulex: could the problem be that Partition 1 has different physical/logical endings? |
| 17:46.01 | Eulex | Phlexonance, maybe. I don't know what that means. |
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| 17:47.43 | scenestar | lo room |
| 17:47.46 | scenestar | i need a quick help |
| 17:47.54 | SlayerXP | !fast |
| 17:47.54 | dpkg | greycat |
| 17:47.55 | Eulex | !room |
| 17:47.55 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 17:48.06 | scenestar | i need a quick set of commands executed during boottime to load my BCM card |
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| 17:48.23 | SlayerXP | scenestar: define "quick" |
| 17:48.26 | scenestar | is this an init.d thing |
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| 17:49.33 | kri0n | hello |
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| 17:50.19 | setog3 | !fast |
| 17:50.21 | dpkg | greycat |
| 17:50.27 | setog3 | :D |
| 17:50.44 | scenestar | rawr |
| 17:50.50 | scenestar | !pastry |
| 17:50.50 | dpkg | pastry is, like, good |
| 17:50.53 | Phlexonance | Anthro, Eulex I'll just try reformatting the stick under debian |
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| 17:51.07 | setog3 | !wifi |
| 17:51.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, wifi is a silly name for 802.11b wireless networking. |
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| 17:51.15 | setog3 | !sex |
| 17:51.16 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 17:51.17 | scenestar | !ubuntu |
| 17:51.17 | dpkg | Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntulinux.org and/or visit #ubuntu, right here on IRC. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
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| 17:51.50 | setog3 | !you |
| 17:51.50 | dpkg | [dpkg] mad |
| 17:51.58 | setog3 | ![dpkg] |
| 17:52.01 | unix_infidel | lol, definately not a family channel :) |
| 17:52.07 | setog3 | !dpkg |
| 17:52.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dpkg is mad |
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| 17:52.30 | Ronin | setog3: if you want to play with the bot try /msg dpkg |
| 17:52.44 | S4nD3r | Starting MySQL database server: mysqld...failed or took more than 6s. |
| 17:52.48 | S4nD3r | Please take a look at the syslog. |
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| 17:52.55 | S4nD3r | /usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed |
| 17:52.59 | S4nD3r | error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)' |
| 17:53.04 | S4nD3r | Check that mysqld is running and that the socket: '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' exists! |
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| 17:53.17 | S4nD3r | I created the file manually |
| 17:53.25 | Anthro | S4nD3r: Gah! |
| 17:53.29 | SlayerXP | S4nD3r: duh |
| 17:53.53 | scenestar | pffft |
| 17:53.56 | scenestar | dork |
| 17:53.57 | Anthro | S4nD3r: Look, mysqld.sock is not a "file" in the normal sense. It is a socket. It is created by the mysql server process. |
| 17:53.57 | blenda | is there any way to compile and run potentially harmful code in a kind of sandbox environment? |
| 17:54.13 | scenestar | eyah |
| 17:54.13 | scenestar | in bochs |
| 17:54.13 | scenestar | or a jail |
| 17:54.27 | SlayerXP | S4nD3r: you have failed your server administration test. please return your AOL cd and do not use the internet again unless accompanied by a competent person. |
| 17:54.43 | Anthro | S4nD3r: If you put a file in its way, it probably won't work right. Get rid of the mysqld.sock file you created. Have you actually started the mysql server? Do you know what I mean by that? |
| 17:55.21 | blenda | scenestar: like jailer? |
| 17:55.41 | scenestar | fsck if i know |
| 17:55.47 | reflect | is there really a point to slagging people off? you've all been new. |
| 17:55.52 | scenestar | im writing a howto guide |
| 17:55.52 | scenestar | sorry |
| 17:55.54 | S4nD3r | I dont know how to up my mysqlserver |
| 17:56.16 | Anthro | S4nD3r: Yes, that is clear. Do you know why you want mysql? |
| 17:56.35 | Phlexonance | my mouse is stuck, how can I open a shell? |
| 17:56.41 | Phlexonance | doh' |
| 17:56.45 | SlayerXP | anisX: to use with Linux, Apache and PHP, of course. |
| 17:56.52 | Anthro | Phlexonance: ctrl-alt-F1 |
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| 17:56.58 | SlayerXP | Anthro: to use with Linux, Apache and PHP, of course. |
| 17:56.58 | scenestar | S4nD3r : just use the ubuntu startguide |
| 17:57.00 | scenestar | its just the same |
| 17:57.02 | scenestar | the end |
| 17:57.05 | scenestar | now go away |
| 17:57.12 | javiolo | bin/safe_mysqld & |
| 17:57.17 | bodq | http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current//images/floppy/boot.img doesn't boot, is it normal? |
| 17:57.18 | SlayerXP | S4nD3r: did you consider reading the docs at all? |
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| 17:57.33 | S4nD3r | Yes. I need to work with database |
| 17:57.41 | S4nD3r | Im learning php |
| 17:57.49 | scenestar | well learn to read a doc first |
| 17:57.49 | SlayerXP | Anthro: told you :) |
| 17:57.52 | Anthro | SlayerXP: Ah. LAMP. Stupid crackheaded shit. Well, if you spell it Linux-Apache-Middleware-PostgreSQL it isn't so bad. |
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| 17:58.03 | scenestar | hmm |
| 17:58.07 | SlayerXP | S4nD3r: you can do that without a database. |
| 17:58.11 | scenestar | possgresql |
| 17:58.23 | Anthro | S4nD3r: First off, mysql is not a database. It's a few steps above a flat file store, but that's it. |
| 17:58.36 | scenestar | its complete rape of the relational model |
| 17:58.39 | S4nD3r | hey stypid |
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| 17:58.47 | S4nD3r | If you wannot to help |
| 17:58.49 | S4nD3r | go to hell |
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| 17:58.51 | scenestar | you might as wel grep text files |
| 17:59.13 | foo | S4nD3r: You won't get help that way. |
| 17:59.31 | foo | scenestar: Heh. Might as well grep text files instead of using a mysql database? |
| 17:59.37 | bodq | MD5 checksum matches, but it says soemthing like "this floppy won't boot" (after successfully showing SYSLINUX prompt) |
| 17:59.50 | S4nD3r | Yes, I installed and its not working properly, I thought someone could give tips to solve this kind of problem |
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| 18:00.07 | scenestar | yeah |
| 18:00.10 | SlayerXP | S4nD3r: did you check syslog like the erro message said? |
| 18:00.10 | foo | S4nD3r: Define "not working properly" ... and it will help. |
| 18:00.14 | scenestar | it isnt about the fscking file |
| 18:00.14 | Anthro | S4nD3r: I was trying to help you, actually. I recommend PostgreSQL over MySQL. But whatever. |
| 18:00.22 | scenestar | its about you misconfiguring your server |
| 18:00.23 | Anthro | S4nD3r: Do you know how to use ps? |
| 18:00.25 | foo | scenestar: Heh. You obviously don't know the advantages of a mysql. Let alone the way it works. |
| 18:00.28 | scenestar | now doont be so friggin emo |
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| 18:00.51 | junix|work | why does firefox open a whole bunch of defunct processes in unstable? |
| 18:01.02 | scenestar | because its unstable? |
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| 18:01.07 | Anthro | junix|work: It's lonely without them. |
| 18:01.08 | S4nD3r | Yes, I know to use ps |
| 18:01.19 | scenestar | S4nD3r |
| 18:01.22 | Anthro | S4nD3r: Is there a mysqld process running? |
| 18:01.22 | scenestar | check your confi files |
| 18:01.23 | junix|work | Anthro: ok |
| 18:01.25 | scenestar | its really simple |
| 18:01.31 | scenestar | jsut look for obvious errors |
| 18:01.44 | foo | scenestar: Errors in a config file? |
| 18:01.47 | S4nD3r | no mysql process runing |
| 18:01.52 | scenestar | nvm |
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| 18:02.04 | scenestar | foo : i had that crap on IIS servers all the time |
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| 18:02.11 | Anthro | S4nD3r: Well, that would be your first problem. Is there a mysql script of some sort in /etc/init.d? |
| 18:02.13 | S4nD3r | My my.cnf is almos empty |
| 18:02.36 | foo | scenestar: That crap? Maybe that's because you had it on an IIS server. heh |
| 18:02.39 | S4nD3r | Yes ! |
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| 18:02.52 | Anthro | S4nD3r: run that script with an argument of start |
| 18:03.08 | S4nD3r | I did !! |
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| 18:03.14 | S4nD3r | The erros I showed |
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| 18:04.46 | Anthro | S4nD3r: send them to #flood |
| 18:04.53 | S4nD3r | the mysql status is stopped |
| 18:05.36 | funktion | if you build a program from source (make / make install) is there any *simple* way to remove the software? |
| 18:06.00 | Anthro | funktion: No. |
| 18:06.06 | funktion | thought so |
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| 18:06.10 | funktion | time for manual removal! |
| 18:06.16 | Anthro | funktion: Not unless there is a remove/uninstall target in the makefile. |
| 18:06.20 | funktion | thanks Anthro |
| 18:06.30 | funktion | yah i tried make uninstall, no luck |
| 18:06.30 | karsten | CompWizrd: FYI, running the battery flat seemed to fix that "can't charge it fully" problem. |
| 18:06.39 | funktion | kk, thanks again Anthro |
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| 18:07.07 | Anthro | S4nD3r: Did you install the mysql server, or just the client? I'm not seeing anything that looks like you actually have a server installed. |
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| 18:07.38 | Anthro | S4nD3r: give me, in #flood, the output of dpkg -l '*mysql*' | grep ii |
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| 18:09.11 | leno | i my debian say |
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| 18:09.31 | leno | xf86Mapvid: cannot allocate frame buffer |
| 18:09.32 | Phlexonance | Anthro: what was this command, "dmsg" ? |
| 18:09.33 | leno | why? |
| 18:09.58 | leno | i want to use kyrofb module |
| 18:09.58 | Anthro | Phlexonance: dmesg |
| 18:10.05 | Phlexonance | Anthro: thx |
| 18:10.21 | leno | for use my Hercules 4500 Kyro II |
| 18:10.24 | leno | can we help me? |
| 18:10.28 | junix|work | Anthro: ok |
| 18:10.30 | junix|work | why does firefox open a whole bunch of defunct processes in unstable? |
| 18:10.42 | leno | i use xorg and kernel 2.6.15.1-k7 |
| 18:10.44 | leno | ? |
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| 18:10.50 | klync | trying to install scoop, which runs on mod_perl, and using apache-ssl pkg... some of my perl modules were installed by apt, and others by cpan... i can't get the install script to verify that Apache::Request is installed (it's from apt) ... any ideas? |
| 18:10.51 | Anthro | S4nD3r: Well, you seem to have the server binaries installed. Are there any other mysql scripts in /etc/init.d? |
| 18:11.15 | S4nD3r | yes |
| 18:11.24 | Anthro | S4nD3r: What are they? |
| 18:11.28 | S4nD3r | /etc/init.d/mysql /etc/init.d/mysql-ndb /etc/init.d/mysql-ndb-mgm |
| 18:11.34 | Phlexonance | Anthro: I tried to reformat it to fat but mkfs -v vfat froze and now I cant find the stick with fdisk -l |
| 18:11.56 | Anthro | Phlexonance: What was the exact mkfs line you used? |
| 18:12.26 | Anthro | S4nD3r: Try /etc/init.d/mysql-nbd start |
| 18:12.48 | Phlexonance | Anthro: mkfs -t vfat /dev/sda1 |
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| 18:13.36 | Anthro | Phlexonance: That's... odd. I'd expect that to work. Try unplugging and replugging and see what dmesg says. |
| 18:13.42 | S4nD3r | no errors |
| 18:13.48 | S4nD3r | but, no server runned |
| 18:13.58 | Phlexonance | Anthro: oh I see, its somehow unpartitioned, Ill repartition it |
| 18:14.06 | Anthro | S4nD3r: Still no mysqld process? |
| 18:14.13 | S4nD3r | no process |
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| 18:14.47 | Anthro | Phlexonance: Could you use postgresql instead? I'm more familiar with it, and it's better to begin with. |
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| 18:14.58 | Anthro | S4nD3r: Could you use postgresql instead? I'm more familiar with it, and it's better to begin with. |
| 18:15.03 | Anthro | Phlexonance: sorry. |
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| 18:15.25 | S4nD3r | I have some applications to run with mysql |
| 18:15.50 | jazbo | Woot, after two days of fiddling I can finally fixed ssh from win2k to debian. Thanks to all those who helped |
| 18:16.36 | klync | which pkg contains the headers for apache-ssl? |
| 18:16.42 | jazbo | Of course the problem was mainly on the win side |
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| 18:18.48 | Phlexonance | Anthro: woot it works. thanks a lot! |
| 18:18.56 | klync | how can i get a listing of which pkgs are recommended by a given pkg? |
| 18:19.00 | Anthro | Phlexonance: Excellent. |
| 18:19.11 | Anthro | Phlexonance: I recommend adding usb_storage to your /etc/modules |
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| 18:20.40 | PAELA | test |
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| 18:21.28 | bodq | help. I cannot boot any debian-installer floppies on my box. neither sarge nor etch floppy worked (with different errors). what can I try to do? |
| 18:21.54 | Phlexonance | Anthro: done, thx |
| 18:22.35 | Anthro | bodq: If you don't get an answer here, try #debian-boot |
| 18:22.59 | chealer | klync: the direct recommandations can be seen with apt-cache show |
| 18:24.00 | abrotman | bodq: a CD ? |
| 18:24.06 | klync | chealer: thx |
| 18:24.19 | bodq | abrotman: a floppy |
| 18:24.21 | abrotman | bodq: define ... "doesn't work" |
| 18:25.06 | bodq | abrotman: sarge version says something like 'boot failed, please change floppies', etch and sid versions hang after "SYSLINUX 3.11 2005-..-.. CBIOS" message |
| 18:25.08 | klync | chealer: i think it's just a matter of passing the right arg to make... looks like i should have the headers installed |
| 18:25.55 | yggdrasil | is there some sort of screen saver i can run on my terminals ? |
| 18:26.06 | bodq | abrotman: the error message in sarge version happens right after 'Loading' message shows ip |
| 18:26.07 | bodq | *up |
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| 18:26.20 | Anthro | yggdrasil: Not as such. Why do you want such a thing? |
| 18:26.33 | Anthro | yggdrasil: I think it will blank automatically after a while. |
| 18:26.39 | djp | how do i check/enable dma on my cdrom drives? |
| 18:26.42 | yggdrasil | anthro when im at work my terminal will tiem out after about 5 minutes and disconnect me |
| 18:26.46 | Anthro | djp: hdparm |
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| 18:27.18 | Anthro | yggdrasil: You don't need a screensaver, you need a keepalive of some sort. |
| 18:27.28 | djp | Anthro, thanks. i gather that dma is not enabled on my cdrom drives by default then? hdparm is not installed here at present. |
| 18:27.30 | yggdrasil | antrho well ... whatever works |
| 18:27.31 | yggdrasil | haha |
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| 18:28.15 | Anthro | yggdrasil: I have a similar issue. I use the following: sh -c 'while true; do; sleep 30; echo -n .; done' |
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| 18:28.25 | yggdrasil | antrho ..apt-get install cmatrix |
| 18:28.27 | yggdrasil | ;) |
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| 18:28.38 | Anthro | !info cmatrix |
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| 18:28.41 | dpkg | cmatrix: (Console Matrix simulates the display from "The Matrix"), section misc, is optional. Version: 1.2a-2 (sid), Packaged size: 15 kB, Installed size: 108 kB |
| 18:28.53 | yggdrasil | im down with that |
| 18:28.54 | yggdrasil | ;) |
| 18:28.59 | Anthro | yggdrasil: Gratuitous, and overkill, but whatever. |
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| 18:29.11 | Teolupus | Hi! This is the first time that I'm using the "software raid" feature from Installer... Idea is simple (or should be?): I've to disks, exactly the same size... I'd like to make them RAID1 and install over it (with LVM if possible).... |
| 18:29.25 | Teolupus | what is the correct order? should I create first the LVM or first the RAID ? |
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| 18:30.11 | yggdrasil | damit my apt-get is broken... |
| 18:30.19 | yggdrasil | E: The package linux-image-2.6.15.4.022806.1 needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. |
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| 18:30.39 | Teolupus | ... about the RAID... any light? |
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| 18:31.21 | bodq | Teolupus: I guess you have to create raid, and then create LVM over md* device |
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| 18:31.41 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 18:31.41 | dpkg | well, qotd125 is <exobyte> California should steal .ca from canada <exobyte> our state flower causes people to fail drug tests. how kick ass is that?! |
| 18:31.58 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 18:31.59 | dpkg | from memory, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 18:32.22 | Teolupus | bodq: I tried to do it, but lilo told me that there were no active partition for installing the boot loader |
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| 18:32.43 | bodq | Teolupus: 1) use grub 2) install it in MBR |
| 18:32.44 | djp | iss it advisable not to enable dma under debian? the only reason i ask is that it does not install hdparm with a base install, so therefore wondered if debian had a reason for not enabling dma? |
| 18:32.58 | Teolupus | bodq: i'll try |
| 18:33.00 | bodq | djp: likely, no |
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| 18:34.11 | Teolupus | bodq: do I have to use LVM over the RAID or common partitions is alright? I'm asking because after creating the mdo (RAID1 2scsi identical disks), i could not create more than 1 partition on it...... do you know why? |
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| 18:34.51 | bodq | Teolupus: I don't quite understand your question . please elaborate |
| 18:35.07 | leno | nobody help me |
| 18:35.08 | leno | ? |
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| 18:35.22 | djp | bodq, sorry could you elaborate? i didn't quite get the answer you gave me? |
| 18:35.29 | jazbo | djp, I know sometimes its very important to have dma enabled. Like on my myth box... poor performance without dma |
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| 18:35.51 | bodq | djp: I mean, there's not a reason to disable DMA on a modern box |
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| 18:36.25 | bodq | djp: it's just not essential to a working system, so that's I GUESS why it's not in the base system |
| 18:36.44 | abrotman | bodq: probably bad floppies |
| 18:36.51 | bodq | leno: repeat your question |
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| 18:36.58 | bodq | abrotman: md5sum of /dev/fd0 matches |
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| 18:37.03 | Teolupus | bodq: I've 2 SCSI discs (identical). Createt a partition on each one (taking the entire disk) type=RAID. When I tried to create my /boot, /var, /opt partitions over the MD0, i was only able to create ONE (/boot) partition.... rest of MD0 was marked as UNUSED DISK |
| 18:37.08 | Red_Cloud | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:37.11 | djp | bodq, excellent. thanks for that. |
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| 18:37.22 | djp | jazbo, noted. |
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| 18:37.22 | abrotman | your OS is Debian GNU/Linux .. your version is Etch :) |
| 18:38.13 | Babbelaar | apache2 shows me a 403 for user devcore. what could be wrong |
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| 18:38.14 | Red_Cloud | abrotman, that is right. I will make note and state it correctly in the future |
| 18:38.20 | Teolupus | bodq: I'm begining to understand what I did :P |
| 18:38.31 | abrotman | Red_Cloud: the punishment is to have to use gentoo :) |
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| 18:38.57 | Red_Cloud | abrotman and thirty day in the electric chair |
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| 18:39.06 | Mardus | Hi. |
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| 18:39.22 | chealer | Red_Cloud: in KDE? |
| 18:39.23 | Teolupus | is it possible to use SWAP and /BOOT over LVM?? Does the default DEBIAN kernel support it? |
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| 18:40.01 | Babbelaar | permissions of public_html are set to 755 |
| 18:40.50 | abrotman | Babbelaar: and his $HOME ? |
| 18:41.00 | bodq | Teolupus: you have to create partition on your MD device, then mark it to be used by LVM, and the conrigure it inside lvmcfg |
| 18:41.03 | Babbelaar | yea |
| 18:41.08 | Babbelaar | h/o |
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| 18:41.26 | Mardus | Is there an IRC room somewhere for Firewire information on freenode, for example? |
| 18:41.34 | abrotman | pertaining to what? |
| 18:41.37 | malt | what is a MYSQL Control Center is it like something to make it easyer to control mysql like a gui? |
| 18:41.42 | abrotman | drivers? devices? what? |
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| 18:41.50 | abrotman | malt: ask #mysql |
| 18:41.56 | Mardus | abrotman: Were you asking me? |
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| 18:42.06 | bodq | Teolupus: as for your second question, the answer is it probably doesn't and you wan't want to do it anyway |
| 18:42.08 | abrotman | Mardus: yes |
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| 18:42.11 | Babbelaar | 755 |
| 18:42.18 | yggdrasil | anyone know how i can fix this i installed acustom kernel then manualy removed it.. and now when i apt -get install i get this Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done E: The package linux-image-2.6.15.4.022806.1 needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. |
| 18:42.22 | Babbelaar | permission ser to 755 |
| 18:42.22 | abrotman | Babbelaar: and the files are also 755 ? |
| 18:42.34 | Babbelaar | there are no files |
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| 18:42.41 | Babbelaar | i get a 403 |
| 18:42.46 | abrotman | there are no files ... at all? |
| 18:42.46 | chealer | yggdrasil: what do you mean by "manually"? |
| 18:43.00 | kspath_ | Mardus: You might not find any rooms in/on freenode but there are numerous channels. |
| 18:43.05 | Babbelaar | http://devcore.nl.eu.org/~devcore/ |
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| 18:43.08 | nuxil | Does anyone know a app that can merge vob files together? |
| 18:43.14 | nuxil | gui app |
| 18:43.15 | Mardus | kspath_: Right yeah, channels. |
| 18:43.15 | bodq | yggdrasil: apt-get remove linux-image-2.6.15.4.022806.1 |
| 18:43.16 | abrotman | Babbelaar: is there an index.html? |
| 18:43.18 | yggdrasil | chealer well i deleted the .deb file. |
| 18:43.25 | Babbelaar | only the public_html |
| 18:43.29 | Babbelaar | no |
| 18:43.35 | Babbelaar | no files |
| 18:43.39 | chealer | yggdrasil: that doesn't remove the kernel |
| 18:43.46 | abrotman | Babbelaar: you don't allow indexing .. basically you have to allow apache to show the files if there is no index page |
| 18:43.48 | lzhang | how do I make hotplug stop loading on boot? I took it out of the rc. dirs but it's still loading |
| 18:43.55 | yggdrasil | chealer i know ... i dont know why apt is freaking out |
| 18:44.01 | yggdrasil | i just was cleanign house a bit |
| 18:44.02 | Babbelaar | 0 bytes in $home/public_html |
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| 18:44.09 | abrotman | or ignore me |
| 18:44.11 | yggdrasil | bodq same thing when i do that ... |
| 18:44.20 | Babbelaar | i know there are no files |
| 18:44.27 | Babbelaar | i didnt put any files thes |
| 18:44.27 | bodq | yggdrasil: dpkg -e linux-image-2.6.15.4.022806.1 |
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| 18:44.35 | Babbelaar | but i get a 403 |
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| 18:44.43 | Babbelaar | as in no permission |
| 18:44.48 | chealer | yggdrasil: well, you said removed the kernel, which is at least confusing then |
| 18:44.55 | yggdrasil | dpkg-deb: failed to read archive `linux-image-2.6.15.4.022806.1': No such file or directory |
| 18:44.57 | chealer | s/said/said you |
| 18:45.03 | yggdrasil | chealer sorry .. |
| 18:45.03 | kspath_ | Babbelaar: read your apache logs |
| 18:45.08 | yggdrasil | i also removed the grub entries |
| 18:45.12 | *** part/#debian bloodhound (n=bloodhou@ppp6-71.ath.forthnet.gr) |
| 18:45.16 | Babbelaar | i expected to see some apache generated html page |
| 18:45.22 | bodq | yggdrasil: err, excuse me, dpkg -r |
| 18:45.48 | abrotman | Babbelaar: i just freaking told you why |
| 18:46.03 | tarzeau | abrotman: i found a new game, it looks great. plays like shit |
| 18:46.04 | yggdrasil | bodq 4.022806.1 (--remove): |
| 18:46.04 | yggdrasil | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:46.04 | yggdrasil | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:46.12 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's called moleinvasion. |
| 18:46.25 | tarzeau | abrotman: some other dude suggested brutalchess, looks nice, just finished building... |
| 18:46.40 | abrotman | tarzeau: hehe .. btw .. danger of the deep works fine on my machine(except no sequencer) |
| 18:46.47 | bodq | yggdrasil: --force-remove-reinstreq |
| 18:46.53 | tarzeau | abrotman: WOW brutalchess SI TEH DELUXE! |
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| 18:47.26 | yggdrasil | bodq im sorry i dont understand |
| 18:47.27 | abrotman | Babbelaar: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/core.html.en#options |
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| 18:47.39 | bodq | yggdrasil: dpkg -r linux-image-2.6.15.4.022806.1 --force-remove-reinstreq |
| 18:47.46 | Mardus | I got disconnected and couldn't see any answers. |
| 18:47.47 | abrotman | Mardus: firewire in what regaerd? |
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| 18:48.00 | Virtual | I have a Hitachi deskstar 2.5" hdd connected to my computer with a usb adaptor, but on lsusb it gives me another name of 3.5" hdd driver, how can I set the driver for this one ? |
| 18:48.30 | Babbelaar | directory index forbidden by rule |
| 18:48.34 | Babbelaar | ... |
| 18:48.37 | yggdrasil | bodq dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove --force-remove-reinstreq which isn't installed. |
| 18:48.48 | Babbelaar | can i paste 10 lines? |
| 18:48.53 | Ronin | no |
| 18:49.02 | tarzeau | Babbelaar: no but you can stuff 10 lines into one, and paste that |
| 18:49.04 | Babbelaar | i'll pastebin |
| 18:49.18 | abrotman | !paste |
| 18:49.18 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 18:49.19 | Mardus | abrotman: Firewire camcorder connected to a hub which has both a FW port and a USB port; the camcorder would be connected to the hub and the hub would be connected to the computer via USB. -- And if data transfer possible like that. |
| 18:49.23 | abrotman | Mardus: #hardware .. if you're lucky :) |
| 18:49.26 | tarzeau | abrotman: try brutalchess if you got opengl... |
| 18:50.09 | bodq | yggdrasil: dpkg -r --force-remove-reinstreq linux-image-2.6.15.4.022806.1 |
| 18:50.13 | tarzeau | abrotman: damn did i get disappointed by MoleInvasion... it looked so promising |
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| 18:50.31 | abrotman | tarzeau: how did you try to make danger of the deep work ? |
| 18:50.33 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's like you find the sexiest woman and she can't spell blow or fcuk |
| 18:50.38 | yggdrasil | bodq that looks like it got it |
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| 18:50.47 | Mardus | abrotman: Ok, I'll take a look... |
| 18:50.51 | Babbelaar | from my apache.conf |
| 18:50.53 | Babbelaar | http://pastebin.com/602054 |
| 18:50.54 | yggdrasil | bodq thanks.... soo much |
| 18:50.57 | tarzeau | abrotman: look i can't install scons, because it needs python. and ubuntu borked all python |
| 18:51.08 | abrotman | tarzeau: why are you packaging on ubuntu ? |
| 18:51.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: they've screwed up a bunch of packages by inserting their name into version numbers |
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| 18:51.24 | tarzeau | abrotman: i have no idea what drugs they eat |
| 18:51.46 | abrotman | tarzeau: so use Debian .. |
| 18:51.58 | azeem | tarzeau: how does that screw things up? |
| 18:52.00 | tarzeau | abrotman: i do. it's just debian doesn't see my harddisk |
| 18:52.13 | tarzeau | azeem: when i say apt-get install blender or scons i get: |
| 18:52.15 | abrotman | tarzeau: why not? .. what makes it special ? |
| 18:52.23 | tarzeau | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:52.37 | azeem | so their blender is buggy |
| 18:52.38 | Teolupus | bodq: What if I install as normaly on only one disk (with LVM and blah blah blah) and after instalation create the raid with mdadm??? |
| 18:52.51 | bodq | tarzeau: those are modified packages |
| 18:52.57 | Babbelaar | blender runs withour python |
| 18:52.58 | tarzeau | bodq: yes raped packages |
| 18:53.04 | tarzeau | Babbelaar: that's not the problem |
| 18:53.05 | Babbelaar | but yuo wont be able to use pluginns |
| 18:53.08 | Red_Cloud | chealer, yes I am in KDE with the problem. |
| 18:53.17 | azeem | tarzeau: are you mixing Debian and Ubuntu packages? |
| 18:53.29 | chealer | Red_Cloud: so, ask #debian-kde |
| 18:53.32 | bodq | tarzeau: did you try multiverse version of blender? |
| 18:53.35 | tarzeau | i had to use ubuntu server install and switch to sid. because not eve kmuto installer seen my disk. now i've got my own kernel |
| 18:53.42 | Babbelaar | *apt-get insta;; 2.4.2-0unbuntu2 |
| 18:53.43 | yggdrasil | isnt thta what the germans mixed to power thier rockets ? ubuntu pkgs and deb pkgs ? |
| 18:53.45 | tarzeau | bodq: man i won't use ubuntu sources nor packages |
| 18:53.45 | azeem | tarzeau: oh well |
| 18:53.46 | yggdrasil | massive explosion |
| 18:53.47 | tarzeau | bodq: EVER |
| 18:53.49 | jazbo | tarzeau: frozenbubble is cool is you like that sort of game... or nethack, ruler of all games ;) |
| 18:53.51 | azeem | don't do that, d'oh |
| 18:53.54 | tarzeau | bodq: i'm a debian guy |
| 18:54.00 | tarzeau | azeem: i wanted linux so badly |
| 18:54.04 | abrotman | now we know .. ubuntu is really a piece of crap :) |
| 18:54.05 | bodq | tarzeau: do use debian then :) |
| 18:54.11 | azeem | tarzeau: ok, but then don't complain about Ubuntu |
| 18:54.18 | tarzeau | bodq: man don't you get it? debian is not installable on this computer |
| 18:54.22 | abrotman | why not? |
| 18:54.26 | tarzeau | bodq: not sarge, and not the kmuto 2.6.15 |
| 18:54.30 | abrotman | tarzeau: what kind of f'ed up hardware do you have? |
| 18:54.31 | tarzeau | abrotman: because it fucking not sees my harddis |
| 18:54.32 | tarzeau | k |
| 18:54.41 | abrotman | tarzeau: tried the etch daily? |
| 18:54.42 | tarzeau | abrotman: the box reads: |
| 18:54.45 | azeem | tarzeau: did you try etch beta 1 or 2? |
| 18:54.47 | abrotman | Dell ? |
| 18:54.48 | abrotman | :) |
| 18:54.51 | azeem | heh |
| 18:54.53 | Babbelaar | http://pastebin.com/602054 can anyone tell me if this piece of apache2.conf is alright? |
| 18:54.56 | dooglus | in sid, I was running a full-screen app, when xscreensaver kicked in. now the keyboard isn't responding (other than control-alt F1) |
| 18:55.09 | bodq | tarzeau: *deboostrap* |
| 18:55.11 | azeem | dooglus: if you're on the console, kill xscreensaver |
| 18:55.12 | bodq | *boot |
| 18:55.14 | tarzeau | GIGABYTE GEFART IDNA NATURAL INTELLIGENCE SATA PCI EXPRESS NVFIREWALL NVRAID 3GB/S |
| 18:55.17 | tarzeau | i don't know |
| 18:55.24 | dooglus | I've switched to a VC to ask about this, but when I switch back to X the keyboard is locked. I've killed xscreensaver - didn't help |
| 18:55.25 | Red_Cloud | chealer, I am conversing in #debian-kde with a person who is quite helpful. My confidence is with chealer and abrotman above all others, though. I try to keep my requests segregated to the appropriate chat but I am not very disciplined. |
| 18:55.29 | tarzeau | bodq: well i'm too stupdi to use debootstrap... |
| 18:55.30 | abrotman | tarzeau: you willingly bought nvidia garbage ? |
| 18:55.36 | tarzeau | abrotman: my secretary did |
| 18:55.53 | abrotman | tarzeau: i hope you beat her senseless :) |
| 18:55.58 | tarzeau | abrotman: but hey i got sound working, and opengl fast 3d |
| 18:56.01 | Babbelaar | abrotman, they are good cards |
| 18:56.03 | bodq | tarzeau: *shrug* use ubuntu then :-P |
| 18:56.04 | abrotman | tarzeau: but not debian |
| 18:56.07 | Babbelaar | why do u think its garbage? |
| 18:56.12 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm going to bondage her tomorrow night |
| 18:56.15 | abrotman | Babbelaar: ask tarzeau why it's garbage |
| 18:56.22 | kronoz | they're ok really, better than ati for linux |
| 18:56.22 | tarzeau | abrotman: and she'll have to be on all fours and bark like a dog |
| 18:56.30 | abrotman | tarzeau: good .. get her to buy you real hardware |
| 18:56.40 | tarzeau | abrotman: first she'll have to do some other things |
| 18:56.41 | dooglus | tarzeau: ubuntu's great. if you ever forget your password it doesn't matter, 'cos it keeps a backup in plain text in a world-readable file for you. |
| 18:56.53 | Babbelaar | http://pastebin.com/602054 can anyone tell me if this piece of apache2.conf is alright? |
| 18:57.07 | abrotman | Babbelaar: it looks fine .. maybe ask in #apache .. there must be a reason it won't let you do that |
| 18:57.21 | Babbelaar | tnx |
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| 18:58.13 | tarzeau | abrotman: you know what i hate? i looked for itp briquolo in google groups and found nothing |
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| 18:58.24 | tarzeau | abrotman: and then the author tells me after i had it packaged that ubuntu has it.... |
| 18:58.25 | abrotman | tarzeau: and it had already been done? |
| 18:58.34 | abrotman | tarzeau: so what .. ubuntu != debian |
| 18:58.36 | azeem | tarzeau: Ubuntu is not Debian, remember? |
| 18:58.41 | tarzeau | abrotman: but their version is older than ours |
| 18:58.50 | tarzeau | abrotman: and we'll have brutalchess... |
| 18:58.52 | abrotman | yeah .. screw them! |
| 18:58.57 | abrotman | and we have fish sticks@! |
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| 18:59.13 | tarzeau | abrotman: fish fillets! |
| 18:59.20 | tarzeau | abrotman: which level are you in? |
| 18:59.56 | dooglus | probably the toilet :) |
| 18:59.58 | abrotman | tarzeau: i didn't try it yet |
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| 19:00.32 | abrotman | tarzeau: gravity was saying there's some sort of debian-games group |
| 19:00.39 | dooglus | how do I set my keyboard map in the virtual console? |
| 19:00.40 | zebalin4 | abrotman: beep :-) |
| 19:00.42 | tarzeau | abrotman: i know there's that group |
| 19:01.02 | abrotman | zebalin4: you missed earlier .. i had to find a speaker to get BEEEP |
| 19:01.07 | abrotman | tarzeau: ah ok |
| 19:01.28 | wireddd | anyone know why after upgrading the kernel from 2.6.12 to 2.6.15 my 3dfx card that I use for a second monitor would show anything which is transparent as being very garbled? |
| 19:01.32 | dooglus | !keyboard |
| 19:01.32 | dpkg | A keyboard is something you hit to fix segfaults, sigsegvs, and faulty hardware or at http://store.yahoo.com/pfuca-store/, or or ask me about "keyboard specialkeys" |
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| 19:01.47 | zebalin4 | abrotman: I've been away for almost 2 weeks. My dad passed away a week ago Sunday and I was in New York for funeral. |
| 19:01.52 | dooglus | !keyboard map |
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| 19:02.04 | chrysopa | hid3, I buy a pendrive 512mb, the transfer rate from pendrive to hd is good (10mb/s) but the transfer from hd to pendrive is about 80kb/s. What is my problem? |
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| 19:02.22 | chrysopa | I buy a pendrive 512mb, the transfer rate from pendrive to hd is good (10mb/s) but the transfer from hd to pendrive is about 80kb/s. What is my problem? |
| 19:02.35 | bart__ | echo... |
| 19:02.40 | abrotman | zebalin4: that blows .. but you didn't invite me! |
| 19:02.58 | abrotman | uhm . i mean to NYC :) |
| 19:03.08 | jetscreamer | everytime i use mutt i get the munchies! (DQ) |
| 19:03.15 | zebalin4 | abrotman: well.... next time. :-) |
| 19:03.19 | abrotman | jetscreamer: you need a dog whistle |
| 19:03.30 | jetscreamer | that's dairy queen for you ppl not in texas :) |
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| 19:03.59 | jetscreamer | mutt mail |
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| 19:04.14 | abrotman | !punish jetscreamer for living in a place where it's warm enough to go to DQ in march |
| 19:04.23 | henk | I have servers in two different locations, both have multiple ips. I want to have a server on location A tunnel a few ips to the second location to make ips from location A available to clients in location B. How do i do that ? What documentation should i read ? |
| 19:04.33 | zebalin4 | jetscreamer: Many years ago when I was young, it used to be called Dairy Queen Brazier (They served everything in 2 cups!!) |
| 19:05.05 | T_V | chrysopa: repeating doesnt help you in advance. |
| 19:05.07 | dooglus | I got my keyboard back in X by killing the full-screen app. |
| 19:05.12 | emergo | ok, I managed to set up the chroot (amd64 version) and run openoffice, but it seems to be using a different resolution than the rest of my X environment. like I use 1280 and it uses 1024 or 800x...a |
| 19:05.27 | dooglus | is there some way of stopping the screensaver from kicking in until the PC is idle? |
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| 19:05.31 | chrysopa | I try this in a MACOS X and the rate work, also the problem is in my linux configuration. |
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| 19:05.42 | mirotrem | when I load softdog and keep watchdog off..it doesn't reboot my machine at all..just trying to test it...anyone know what I am doing wrong? |
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| 19:05.49 | tarzeau | hey look gnustep doesn't look horrible anymore http://www.etoile-project.org/etoile/mediawiki/index.php?title=CamaelonThemes |
| 19:05.59 | kspath_ | !punish abrotman for not having the guts to go to DQ no matter the ambiant air temperature. |
| 19:06.12 | HelmutG | Hi. Can someone tell what might cause that qemu on sarge can not be put through ssh -X whereas qemu from sid can? (missing libs?) |
| 19:06.12 | abrotman | it's cold outside!!! |
| 19:06.15 | jetscreamer | dooglus: i think you mean the screen blank, which isn't the xscreensaver... but i'm guessing |
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| 19:06.20 | chrysopa | T_V, I repeat because xchat send the first message to hid3 because xchat expande my hi, |
| 19:06.32 | kspath_ | DPMS? |
| 19:06.36 | HelmutG | It says cannot initialize sdl |
| 19:06.38 | abrotman | tarzeau: whoa .. jumping into the 90s .. |
| 19:06.39 | chrysopa | Restarting |
| 19:06.45 | abrotman | !dpms |
| 19:06.45 | dpkg | somebody said dpms was know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option "DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section). |
| 19:06.47 | wireddd | abrotman, but your icecream will last longer! |
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| 19:06.51 | D13GU__ | hi all! |
| 19:06.55 | abrotman | wireddd: i don't go outside when it's cold |
| 19:07.06 | D13GU__ | how to install vpn with poptop? i need recompile the kernel? |
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| 19:07.39 | dooglus | jetscreamer: I'm not sure what I mean. but if I use a full-screen app for 30 minutes, the keyboard gets locked up and the screen goes dark. I have xscreensaver set to just blank the screen, so it's hard to tell which it is. |
| 19:07.48 | gary | I have a new keyboard, it is a USB one rather than a PS/2. It works fine in both linux and windows, but when I reboot the computer, as it is going through POST and going to the lilo menu it is not functional. I can not select Linux/Windows/whatever from the menu, nor can I press any keys. Not until I actually get into Linux |
| 19:07.53 | gary | any ideas why this is? |
| 19:08.06 | jetscreamer | dooglus: well you should now know how to fix either :) |
| 19:08.11 | Anthro | gary: Your BIOS does not support USB. |
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| 19:08.23 | kspath_ | dooglus: ACPI DPMS and xscreensaver and xlock and vlock and .... |
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| 19:08.33 | tarzeau | abrotman: http://brutalchess.sourceforge.net/ |
| 19:08.34 | jetscreamer | gary: 'maybe' enable usb kb support in your bios |
| 19:09.01 | jetscreamer | what i want is a board that looks like endgame the screensaver |
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| 19:09.08 | jetscreamer | and/or queens |
| 19:09.15 | jetscreamer | (chess) |
| 19:09.20 | lietuvis | Hi. I have two questions. 1) Is there any way to shut the f***in' PC speaker forever without recompiling the kernel? It's absolutely annoying. 2) While booting, Debian is searching for a network. If it's unplugged (laptop), he's still searching and the only way is to press Ctrl-/. Is it possible to set Debian to try to connect twice and, if there's no answer, order to continue booting? Thanks. |
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| 19:09.38 | jetscreamer | blacklist the pc_speaker module lietuvis |
| 19:09.40 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: i want the queen to be a playboy girl stripping when i won her |
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| 19:09.48 | kspath_ | jetscreamer: transparent coloured glass? They exist. Buy one now. DO IT! |
| 19:09.48 | tarzeau | own |
| 19:09.50 | bodq | lietuvis: plug it off |
| 19:10.02 | jetscreamer | i think he meant unplug it |
| 19:10.05 | bodq | lietuvis: i mean PC speaker |
| 19:10.07 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: do you remember the animated chess from amiga? |
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| 19:10.23 | wireddd | abrotman, what difference between 2.6.12 and 2.6.15 would there be that would cause any alpha blending or transparancy effects on my second monitor to look like there is corrupt video memory? (3dfx voodoo4 4500) other monitor looks fine |
| 19:10.23 | jetscreamer | no i never had amiga, we had a trash 80 |
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| 19:10.31 | Anthro | lietuvis: 1) yes, cut the wire |
| 19:10.45 | lietuvis | What's the inverse of modprobe? How can I unload the module? |
| 19:10.52 | vin` | -r |
| 19:11.04 | bodq | Anthro: there're mobos with internal PC speaker |
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| 19:11.11 | tarzeau | lietuvis: rmmod |
| 19:11.14 | bodq | Anthro: and I guess on laptops they all are |
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| 19:11.18 | _X-Treme | lietuvis: you can disble the automatic up'ing of the network card in /etc/network/interfaces and bring it up manually... |
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| 19:11.18 | ahattar | hi there |
| 19:11.22 | Anthro | bodq: They can be disabled. |
| 19:11.29 | wireddd | bodq, pliers! |
| 19:11.29 | debiankid | hi |
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| 19:11.47 | ahattar | how I can access my usb key on debian? |
| 19:11.54 | bodq | wireddd: CHAINSAWWWW!!!! :) |
| 19:11.59 | AciD | ahattar > pmount |
| 19:12.13 | ahattar | thnx acid |
| 19:12.18 | wireddd | bodq, your pc speaker must be much larger than mine |
| 19:12.37 | jetscreamer | rmmod... but blacklist the module or it will get reloaded on reboot |
| 19:12.44 | zotorza | I've just installed Debian Sarge with a netinstall on my box, and I need to install the nVidia driver, which I've downloaded. I ran the installer, and its telling me that I need to NOT have an X server running. When I kill XFree, GDM (I beleive) runs again, which I cannot seem to stop. How can I go about killing XFree while not having GDM run? |
| 19:13.00 | henk | bodq remove the cable from your mobo to the speaker |
| 19:13.06 | jetscreamer | /etc/init.d/?dm stop zotorza |
| 19:13.07 | Unetixs | I've just configured a debian server to access all the information on an old deprecated Novell 4.1 server for backup purposes, and I'm trying to deciphre /etc/fstab so I can mount this volume on system boot. I saw an expression that contains this: if ( [-n "fstype"] ). WTF is -n? |
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| 19:13.27 | jetscreamer | zotorza: you may also need to apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 19:13.54 | zotorza | jetscreamer: And I would run that before I killed XFree? |
| 19:14.28 | jetscreamer | ! |
| 19:14.30 | jetscreamer | !! |
| 19:14.30 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
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| 19:14.36 | ChrisAlt | hi... I got a problem with my aterm: I tried to make some changes of it's style but didn't succeed because it doesn't seem to read my .Xdefaults with the style commands, as it is written in several tutorials. Is there any file to config before and tell aterm to read a specific file at first? what am I doing wrong? |
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| 19:14.54 | Quiznos | Latest News: the Calif. judge hearing Google v. DoJ is considering an order against google to return at least some of the data that DoJ wants. If google rats us out I'll ban them from my system. Install Tor and help increase the bandwidth we all need to make Tor better. |
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| 19:15.07 | lietuvis | X-Treme, the thing is that the cable is plugged 7 times in 10. I don't want to do it manually all the time. Well, if there's no way, never mind. The most important to shut pc speaker's mouth. By the way, module pc_speaker doesn't exist. I'm afraid it's compiled into the kernel. |
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| 19:15.26 | Raiden | salve c'è nessuno?? |
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| 19:15.34 | jetscreamer | lietuvis: try pcspeaker |
| 19:15.44 | lightcap | how dangerous would it be to upgrade my libc6 on sarge? I need a higher version for the testing version of rrdtool evidently, and I have to have that higher version of rrdtool for this project... |
| 19:15.46 | Raiden | hello can somebody help me?? |
| 19:16.10 | cahoot | ChrisAlt: xrdb ~/.Xdefaults ? |
| 19:16.10 | jetscreamer | raiden what language is that |
| 19:16.11 | cahoot | lietuvis: pcspkr |
| 19:16.11 | Unetixs | the more question marks you use the less likely you are to be helped |
| 19:16.14 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 19:16.15 | Raiden | english i think!! |
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| 19:16.23 | jetscreamer | no i meant the first |
| 19:16.29 | daymoon | Raiden: now yes ;-) |
| 19:16.30 | tombs | italian |
| 19:16.38 | Raiden | i have an acer aspire 1692 i would install debian sarge |
| 19:17.13 | jetscreamer | lietuvis: see also lsmod |
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| 19:17.14 | Raiden | it go good but stop on this writing! " mice: Ps/2 device for all mice! |
| 19:17.15 | lietuvis | Found it. It's called pcspkr. Where's the blacklist again? |
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| 19:17.18 | Raiden | what can i do?? |
| 19:17.22 | surfdue | whok |
| 19:17.23 | surfdue | lol |
| 19:17.32 | lightcap | dpkg is reporting that I need libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1) but I have 2.3.2.ds1-22 |
| 19:17.33 | Raiden | it go good but stop on this writing! " mice: Ps/2 device for all mice! |
| 19:17.45 | Raiden | what can i do!?? |
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| 19:18.07 | Raiden | it search Ps/2 mouse but i have Ps/2 device on a Notebook!! |
| 19:18.07 | surfdue | calm down debian <3's you |
| 19:18.13 | Virtual | I have a Hitachi deskstar 2.5" hdd connected to my computer with a usb adaptor, but on lsusb it gives me another name of 3.5" hdd driver, how can I set the driver for this one ? |
| 19:18.15 | jetscreamer | !tell lietuvis -about blacklist |
| 19:18.28 | wireddd | anyone know if xgl is going to get packaged? |
| 19:18.41 | Raiden | please help me :°( |
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| 19:20.23 | Raiden | are there italian peoples?' |
| 19:20.28 | azeem | !it |
| 19:20.28 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 19:20.35 | lietuvis | Ok. Thanks a lot. Is there any command to test if pc speaker works or not? Something with echo, now? |
| 19:20.40 | Raiden | thank you!! |
| 19:20.44 | azeem | prego |
| 19:20.46 | lietuvis | not now, I wanted to say no. |
| 19:20.48 | blondie | where is information for last login stored for "finger"? |
| 19:20.59 | Raiden | azeem -.- |
| 19:21.03 | _X-Treme | is the security.debian.org repository only available to stable ? |
| 19:21.13 | azeem | _X-Treme: and testing I think |
| 19:21.30 | azeem | well, a different repo, of course |
| 19:21.34 | sorpigal | blondie: same place as last, I would imagine |
| 19:21.41 | blondie | sorpigal: it's not |
| 19:21.44 | _X-Treme | I have stable, i'll try that then |
| 19:21.45 | Raiden | azeem are you italian?? |
| 19:21.47 | blondie | last doesn't go back very far |
| 19:21.49 | _X-Treme | I mean testing |
| 19:21.51 | _X-Treme | :) |
| 19:21.52 | bbrazil | blondie: lastlog |
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| 19:21.58 | blondie | not lastlog |
| 19:21.59 | azeem | Raiden: no |
| 19:22.09 | sorpigal | blondie: oh? mine goes back for ages |
| 19:22.10 | azeem | !testing security |
| 19:22.10 | dpkg | methinks testing security is Don't use http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/, but see http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/, ask me about <secure-testing-master apt-key> |
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| 19:22.25 | _X-Treme | when apt says "Ign blahblahblah" does that mean its already updated ? |
| 19:22.38 | blondie | last only goes back a few weeks, but finger shows login information that's years old |
| 19:23.01 | hyksos | _X-Treme :no,then you need an apt-get update |
| 19:23.11 | _X-Treme | this is when I do apt-get update |
| 19:23.32 | bbrazil | blondie: I'll say it again 'lastlog' |
| 19:23.51 | sorpigal | blondie: my last currently has listings for May of last year, which is when wtmp file was created by the looks of it |
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| 19:24.32 | blondie | sorpigal: how do you know when it was created? |
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| 19:25.04 | sorpigal | blondie: I have magic powers of heuristic detection |
| 19:26.10 | uwe | um, im trying to install the new 2.6.15.6 kernel, i compiled it and have the bzImage, but it seems that i cant use mkinitrd on it, instead i have to use yaird, but it gives me the erroryaird error: can't open kernel config file /boot/config-2.6.15.6 (fatal) |
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| 19:26.38 | uwe | does anyone what that error is? and how to fix it? |
| 19:26.40 | yulsufi | Hi, some tool to recording a full X session (1h aprox) ? |
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| 19:27.26 | blondie | bbrazil: ok thanks |
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| 19:27.47 | uwe | yulsufi, i remember vnc had such a capability |
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| 19:28.50 | yulsufi | a thanks |
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| 19:28.58 | sorpigal | There is a tool to record the screen into a movie, but I believe it uses uncompressed images and would take a ton of disk space |
| 19:29.12 | Shib12 | Hmm, got a problem with Debian 3.1_r1 to PPC, anyone? |
| 19:29.21 | Shib12 | My mac won't boot on it |
| 19:30.01 | AlienX | Shib12, try #debian-ppc |
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| 19:30.24 | uwe | Shib12, i belive you should be more verbose |
| 19:30.24 | sorpigal | yulsufi: xvidcap --file capture.mpeg |
| 19:30.25 | Vladdy | what free alternatives are there to macromedia flash plugin for ff? |
| 19:30.37 | Petrov | i want debian on my computer (desktop) what's the bests stable or testing |
| 19:30.45 | sorpigal | Vladdy: none at the moment. Try back later. |
| 19:30.46 | yulsufi | sorpigal: xvidcap suppor fullscreen? |
| 19:30.48 | Shib12 | stable? |
| 19:30.52 | Vladdy | aw ok |
| 19:31.04 | sorpigal | yulsufi: as far as I know yes |
| 19:31.28 | yulsufi | only doing xvidcap --file capture.mpeg? :) |
| 19:31.32 | ChrisAlt | cahoot: sorry - works :) thanks! |
| 19:31.36 | sorpigal | Vladdy: you can get similar but no sound stuff with clever use of MNG and <canvas>. Really clever. |
| 19:31.42 | Vladdy | was curious, macromedia's version is unusable for me |
| 19:31.48 | Vladdy | just need the player, not create stuff |
| 19:31.52 | sorpigal | Vladdy: it's not just you. |
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| 19:32.12 | Vladdy | it has TEXTREL, and I'm on a system that disallows it |
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| 19:32.32 | sorpigal | Vladdy: there are several attempts at making flash players most of which work very slightly. |
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| 19:32.50 | Vladdy | hm,figured |
| 19:32.58 | lietuvis | My last question. This one would be more funny. Do you guys know "Six"? A Hex-like game for KDE? Well, I use unstable Gnome and XFCE hybrid and Six doesn't want to install normally. It installs however and it runs normally but I get warnings of dependency problems with libqt3c102-mt and kdelibs4. Is there a way to get rid of them? I've read once that one can change some lines in corresponding files in the Debian package. But I don't know to |
| 19:33.20 | abrotman | wireddd: you'd have to check changelogs |
| 19:33.33 | sorpigal | Vladdy: look at tubesock and libswfdec |
| 19:33.36 | abrotman | tarzeau: oh .. i've seen that before |
| 19:33.40 | Vladdy | ok |
| 19:34.10 | nicolas__ | i got this error on a website: [Microsoft][ODBC Microsoft Access Driver] Undefined function 'Char' in expression. |
| 19:34.10 | nicolas__ | /eshop/cartlib/GetCst.asp, line 168 |
| 19:34.15 | nicolas__ | the webmasters told me the problem is my browser |
| 19:34.21 | Vladdy | just running a lfs system here, everything is built from source by myself ;) would be funny if something like flash is an exception |
| 19:34.22 | nicolas__ | is that possible ? |
| 19:34.29 | GFDL | nicolas__, impossible |
| 19:34.29 | Vladdy | nicolas__, unlikely |
| 19:34.37 | sorpigal | nicolas__: He is lying horribly |
| 19:34.40 | abrotman | nicolas__: it is possible if it gets passed something via JS and it's a run@server script |
| 19:34.43 | GFDL | nicolas__, kick your webmaster in the arse |
| 19:34.46 | nicolas__ | alright, im emailed him again |
| 19:34.50 | nicolas__ | s/im/i |
| 19:34.50 | Vladdy | or doesn't know what it does.. |
| 19:35.02 | Vladdy | and actually is an indian support employee o_O |
| 19:35.04 | abrotman | nicolas__: i'd have to see the ASP |
| 19:35.06 | nicolas__ | well, he told me he has processed a lot on transaction the same day |
| 19:35.22 | GFDL | nicolas__, the webmaster's software is buggy |
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| 19:35.31 | nicolas__ | can this error occur only on firefox clients? |
| 19:35.32 | GFDL | nicolas__, he is not doing his job |
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| 19:35.43 | Vladdy | nicolas__, if it did, it would be his problem :S |
| 19:35.45 | abrotman | nicolas__: test it with other gecko browsers |
| 19:35.48 | sorpigal | Vladdy: just because he's clueless doesn't mean you're at fault. Tell him to test it with Firefox/Linux. |
| 19:35.51 | chealer | lietuvis: sure, you can always ignore the dependencies, if you think you're smarter than the packagers |
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| 19:36.03 | sorpigal | whoops, Vladdy. That last was to nicolas__ |
| 19:36.07 | GFDL | nicolas__, if this happens only on firefox the webmaster should fix his program to work with all browsers |
| 19:36.09 | Vladdy | lol |
| 19:36.16 | GFDL | nicolas__, is not your fault is the fault of the damn webmaster |
| 19:36.18 | abrotman | or he could just screw FF users .. |
| 19:36.26 | abrotman | i'll vote for that |
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| 19:36.36 | tarzeau | abrotman: i wouldn't write special stuff for only firefox |
| 19:36.39 | Unetixs | the webmaster is an idiot if his shit only works with one browser |
| 19:36.42 | Baldomero | hello, I have installed lcdproc on Sid, but my HD44780 LCD does not work. I have been told that lcdproc does not work with 2.6 kernel |
| 19:36.42 | tarzeau | abrotman: the browser should be fixed |
| 19:36.46 | Unetixs | the browser war ended in like 96 |
| 19:36.55 | Vladdy | lol |
| 19:36.56 | lietuvis | chealer: neither of those 2 packages are installable. I don't know what else I can do. |
| 19:37.01 | tarzeau | Unetixs: and firefox developers should be raped when it's the only one not rendering a page |
| 19:37.01 | Baldomero | does anyone use an HD44780 LCD with lcdproc? |
| 19:37.07 | abrotman | Anthro: your nieghbor's wife uses FF ? |
| 19:37.09 | tarzeau | Unetixs: or when it doesn't run on debian gnu/kfreebsd |
| 19:37.10 | itrebal | has anyone installed XGL on Sarge? I've got a tutorial here, but one the source it says to use is for Ubuntu |
| 19:37.11 | Vladdy | lol |
| 19:37.19 | tarzeau | anally, that is |
| 19:37.22 | Vladdy | itrebal, should be similar |
| 19:37.27 | abrotman | itrebal: you'd need xorg on sarge .. do you even have that |
| 19:37.28 | Anthro | abrotman: Gee, I dunno, I should check. |
| 19:37.34 | Unetixs | tarzeau: I challenge you to find something that works in IE and doesn't work in Firefox that does work in Opera |
| 19:37.42 | chealer | lietuvis: it's not that they're not installable, it's that they're not in sid. you can't install those binary packages on sid |
| 19:37.45 | tarzeau | Unetixs: hah! that's easy |
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| 19:37.55 | abrotman | nicolas__: what your web guy suggests is possible .. IE/ASP have all kinds of f'ed up extensions to web standards |
| 19:38.03 | Vladdy | what about something that only works on firefox or other gecko browsers? |
| 19:38.11 | itrebal | abrotman: no... from waht i read, i undestood it was a modified xorg |
| 19:38.14 | abrotman | nicolas__: the better idea is to find out what that line is .. and inspect why it doesn't work |
| 19:38.25 | abrotman | itrebal: uhm .. ok |
| 19:38.27 | sorpigal | Vladdy: mab (-: |
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| 19:38.36 | Vladdy | http://www.libpr0n.com/ |
| 19:38.37 | Vladdy | :D |
| 19:38.42 | itrebal | abrotman: but now that you porn it out, its not |
| 19:38.47 | Baldomero | has anyone had succeed running a HD44780 lcd with lcdproc on sid? |
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| 19:39.19 | GFDL | [Microsoft][ODBC Microsoft Access Driver] Undefined function 'Char' in expression |
| 19:39.25 | lietuvis | chealer: so what would you suggest? I tried searching for an alternative but strangely, it appears that there aren't any. |
| 19:39.29 | Quibusch | SO, this server is the same as freenode.net? :) |
| 19:39.29 | Vladdy | lol |
| 19:39.36 | Vladdy | this is freenode.net |
| 19:39.36 | GFDL | the shitty webmaster program passes a request to an odbc driver |
| 19:39.37 | Vladdy | ;) |
| 19:39.39 | lietuvis | alternatives of Six, I mean |
| 19:39.46 | GFDL | the request is wrong |
| 19:39.53 | Ronin | to be more precise your on a server that is on the freenode network |
| 19:39.54 | GFDL | what the hell has that to do with a browser? |
| 19:39.55 | Quibusch | valdyn: I joined irc.debian.org, AFAIK :) |
| 19:40.05 | Quibusch | Vladdy I mean |
| 19:40.10 | abrotman | Vladdy: uhm .. irc.debian.org points at freenode .. |
| 19:40.20 | Vladdy | i know |
| 19:40.21 | Vladdy | :P |
| 19:40.21 | GFDL | the program of the stupid webmaster has a bug and needs to be fixed or replaced period |
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| 19:40.38 | abrotman | no .. it's incompatible with FF .. it doesn't have a bug |
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| 19:40.48 | Vladdy | or the webmaster fixed, and the webpage replaced |
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| 19:40.49 | Vladdy | ;) |
| 19:41.13 | GFDL | I disagree, what do you propose nicolas then? to switch to internet explorer and leave the buggy server program untouched? |
| 19:41.20 | abrotman | it's not his program |
| 19:41.25 | GFDL | asp whatever |
| 19:41.30 | Quibus | GFDL: you can install IE under Wine :P |
| 19:41.32 | abrotman | it's not his |
| 19:41.33 | nicolas__ | abrotman: hrm, that buggy line number is the end of file, which is an empty line |
| 19:41.34 | nicolas__ | weird |
| 19:41.35 | Vladdy | lol |
| 19:41.36 | Quibus | (Really works, btw) |
| 19:41.40 | GFDL | Quibus, that's total madness |
| 19:41.47 | Vladdy | but, it requires a windows license.. |
| 19:41.47 | abrotman | nicolas__: it's not a true line count |
| 19:41.51 | Quibus | GFDL: it is, but sometimes you can't avoid it |
| 19:41.56 | Vladdy | msn messenger works though :P |
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| 19:42.05 | abrotman | nicolas__: IIRC .. when asp is parsed .. the line numbers in the actual file aren't were the error is |
| 19:42.09 | abrotman | where the error is |
| 19:42.24 | nicolas__ | ok |
| 19:42.29 | GFDL | great what are those lines for then? |
| 19:42.34 | abrotman | nicolas__: you may need a comment |
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| 19:42.46 | abrotman | GFDL: SHUT UP .. if you don't konw what you're talking about .. just shut it |
| 19:43.00 | Shadowcat | great |
| 19:43.03 | Shadowcat | troll in the house |
| 19:43.11 | Quibus | ehm, calm down folks |
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| 19:43.33 | GFDL | you are talking about ASP pages that isn't rocket science...(and I am not trolling) |
| 19:43.36 | abrotman | GFDL: you don't know anything about ASP apparently |
| 19:43.45 | azeem | GFDL: I am not sure how they are related to Debian support though |
| 19:43.46 | Shadowcat | can you two take it into /msg |
| 19:43.49 | GFDL | no I don't. I don't have anything to do with such stuff |
| 19:43.51 | Vladdy | it's not rocket science, it's satany |
| 19:43.51 | Vladdy | :P |
| 19:43.51 | Shadowcat | this doesn't concern debian |
| 19:43.56 | Jungleland | 'evening all! |
| 19:43.56 | CosmicHippo | Hey, is there an easy way to revert back to the base system (as in netinstall) and reinstall all of hte packages remotely? A program messed up all of my perl dependencies via CPAN, there's nothing on the system I need to save (it's sarge), but I'm not physically at the computer, so the easiest way for me to fix all of this is to restore it fresh |
| 19:43.57 | emergo | ok, I managed to set up the chroot (amd64 version) and run openoffice, but it seems to be using a different resolution than the rest of my X environment. like I use 1280 and it uses 1024 or 800x...a |
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| 19:44.12 | abrotman | nicolas__: you'll probably want to go to #web .. there should be more ASP programmers .. all we have here is trolls from #ubuntu+1 |
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| 19:44.44 | tarzeau | help! www.linuks.mine.nu/log.txt |
| 19:44.57 | Quibus | Is it me, or is it normal that there are serious flaws in OO.o writer? |
| 19:44.58 | sorpigal | CosmicHippo: rm -r /usr/local/lib/perl/* # Why would this not work? |
| 19:45.04 | abrotman | tarzeau: when you get to a-1 .. let me know :) |
| 19:45.09 | jetscreamer | -R not -r |
| 19:45.17 | CosmicHippo | sorpigal: I dunno, but it didn't |
| 19:45.19 | tarzeau | abrotman: a-1? |
| 19:45.24 | lzhang | hi guys, is there any way to keep hotplug from loading on boot? I already purged it from rc and init.d |
| 19:45.27 | abrotman | tarzeau: implied ... off the board |
| 19:45.41 | sorpigal | CosmicHippo: also rm'd ~/.cpan/ ? |
| 19:45.47 | jetscreamer | there's >1 hotplug it would seem |
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| 19:45.50 | Vladdy | lzhang, it runs from udev :P |
| 19:45.56 | kspath_ | Quibus: Did you want to saying something about a particular release of something in what environment and how you are reporting the bug to the appropriate groups? |
| 19:45.59 | jetscreamer | what Vladdy said |
| 19:46.04 | lzhang | hehe what do I gots to do Vladdy |
| 19:46.12 | lzhang | am I stuck with it? |
| 19:46.23 | Vladdy | grep for hotplug in /etc/udev* |
| 19:46.25 | jetscreamer | first, know that if you remove udev you need to install yaird first |
| 19:46.27 | abrotman | lzhang: uninstall hotplug |
| 19:46.34 | Vladdy | or that |
| 19:46.41 | CosmicHippo | sorpigal: yeah. I removed all of that stuff to try and install what I need via apt, but apt is continuously failing. I guess it's possible that the packages I'm trying to get via apt just don't work either, but I won't know for sure unless everything is 100% blank |
| 19:46.42 | Quibus | kspath_: I can't imagine that such obvious bugs aren't known yet. But I was just wondering if something was wrong with my setup or so. Very simple things go wrong, like the cross-references to figures. |
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| 19:46.46 | Vladdy | <lfs, so no package manager here ;) |
| 19:46.52 | jetscreamer | abrotman: he said he already --purged it |
| 19:47.01 | Quibus | kspath_: I was talking about the release that is currently in testing |
| 19:47.02 | abrotman | then i find it hard to believe hotplug is still running |
| 19:47.06 | sorpigal | CosmicHippo: define "failing" |
| 19:47.14 | lzhang | I think I'm using devfs |
| 19:47.18 | jetscreamer | abrotman: never tried to remove it lately then eh |
| 19:47.21 | lzhang | there is no /etc/udev |
| 19:47.39 | jetscreamer | there's like 2 or 3 :o |
| 19:47.47 | abrotman | jetscreamer: i'm running etch+gnome .. i've been forbidden from using hotplug for quite a while now :) |
| 19:47.56 | Vladdy | lol |
| 19:47.59 | lietuvis | Allright, I'm reverting the question. Does anyone know another Hex game running under Linux (except for Six)? GTK2 preferred but not necessary. Come on guys, it's my favorite game. :) |
| 19:48.01 | CosmicHippo | sorpigal: I can try to find the error messages if you want. But it throws a super-generic error, and says that certain perl-related packages simply can't install (it doesn't give a reason). Then all subsequent packages fail too until I apt-get remove the packages it can't handle |
| 19:48.02 | jetscreamer | udev still uses hotplug somehow |
| 19:48.08 | sorpigal | CosmicHippo: the short answer to your question is that I know of no way to reset like that, other than maybe to downgrade and uninstall \a lot of packages. |
| 19:48.11 | Vladdy | i modified my udev scripts to configure network card on plugging it in :P |
| 19:48.16 | Quibus | Anyway, does anyone here have an idea how to run a full screen app in Wine in windowed mode? |
| 19:48.36 | lzhang | so I'm about to apt-get remove hotplug... this isn't going to break everything is it? I just want to disable my usb ports and keep them from hogging interrupts |
| 19:48.43 | Vladdy | no |
| 19:48.59 | abrotman | jetscreamer: no .. it uses coldplug |
| 19:49.00 | Vladdy | but you could just move the modules of usb |
| 19:49.19 | Vladdy | works cleaner i think |
| 19:49.28 | Jungleland | lzhang: As long as the modules are loaded, they will "hog the interrupts" regardless of hotplug or not afaik. |
| 19:50.02 | jetscreamer | abrotman: if you say so... i removed udev long ago when it and initrd and grub conspired to make my box unusable |
| 19:50.08 | Jungleland | lzhang: But... since your USB hosts are probably on a PCI-bus, why worry about Interrupts? IRQ sharing is a good thing :=) |
| 19:50.14 | abrotman | jetscreamer: i blame texas! |
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| 19:50.24 | jetscreamer | and and hotplug/discover left before udev was even around debian |
| 19:50.46 | jetscreamer | (left my box that is) |
| 19:50.47 | Shadowcat | irq sharing sucks |
| 19:50.48 | abrotman | lietuvis: apt-cache search .. or check happypenguin.org |
| 19:50.49 | lunaphyte_ | how do i remount a filesystem after changing fstab? |
| 19:50.53 | Vladdy | udev is nice... |
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| 19:50.56 | Shadowcat | my motherboard seems to love putting everything on IRQ11 |
| 19:51.01 | Vladdy | can't say anything bad about it |
| 19:51.01 | abrotman | lunaphyte_: man mount |
| 19:51.07 | Shadowcat | two usb controllers, one ide controller, and my tv card |
| 19:51.10 | Shadowcat | all on IRQ11 |
| 19:51.10 | jetscreamer | i have things on irq209... whotf needs irq sharing |
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| 19:51.13 | lzhang | I'm building a box with a digium tdm card and sometimes the irq sharing with usb or interfaces screws up the card |
| 19:51.15 | sorpigal | Vladdy: I can |
| 19:51.34 | Vladdy | but i got crypto root :D |
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| 19:51.48 | lietuvis | Tried apt-cache a million times. I'm taking a look at the website. |
| 19:51.51 | Vladdy | had to encrypt my disk with loop-aes :/ |
| 19:51.56 | Teolupus | why "INSTALL GRUB" is not available on expert installation (sarge) ? |
| 19:51.59 | Jungleland | lzhang: Uhm, to me that sounds more like a buggy hardware then a software issue. Have you told your BIOS that you have a PnP OS? |
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| 19:52.11 | sorpigal | jetscreamer: udev uses the kernel hotplug stuff, but not the userspace hotplug scripts |
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| 19:52.23 | Jungleland | lzhang: Anyway, i would just disable the USB-controllers in the BIOS of the system. |
| 19:52.24 | jetscreamer | ahh |
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| 19:52.35 | abrotman | where's jjazz?! |
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| 19:52.40 | lzhang | Jungleland: I've read that it's better to turn off PnP in the BIOS, which I have done. But I'm not sure what that really did, if anything |
| 19:52.41 | abrotman | oh wait .. he is here! |
| 19:52.57 | Vladdy | had no choice to encrypt my disk, on a stupid laptop :S |
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| 19:53.13 | Jungleland | lzhang: If you turn that off, your operating system will not be able to configure PCI-devices. |
| 19:54.03 | lzhang | Jungleland: the only PCI device I am using is the TDM card, and it seems to be working |
| 19:54.11 | Vladdy | tpm? |
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| 19:54.51 | Slaughter | hi gents |
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| 19:55.29 | chrysopa | How to specify more then one fs on the FS_MOUNTOPTIONS in the usbmount.conf? |
| 19:55.31 | cmatheson | hey guys, wondering what my options are for turning an existing X session into a VNC session... vino doesn't really work for me because of all the dependencies, are their any other choices? |
| 19:55.33 | lzhang | it's not really critical that the card doesn't share an interrupt with the usb I suppose |
| 19:55.35 | Jungleland | Jungleland: No. Because your IDE-controllers, USB-controllers, Firewire-controllers and a LOT of other stuff is on PCI aswell. Just because they are not on "loose cards" does not mean they are not PCI. |
| 19:55.59 | abrotman | Jungleland: care to redirect that? |
| 19:56.10 | lunaphyte_ | abrotman: thanks.. :) was missing -o |
| 19:56.17 | abrotman | lunaphyte_: i thought so :) |
| 19:56.21 | Jungleland | abrotman: hum? |
| 19:56.29 | sorpigal | Jungleland: talking to yourself |
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| 19:56.30 | abrotman | Jungleland: you're talking to yourself |
| 19:56.37 | Jungleland | Oh... *lol* :) |
| 19:57.05 | _X-Treme | umm... syslog-ng went crazy on me after an upgrade, in 6 minutes its loggen 129mb |
| 19:57.17 | lzhang | yeah I'm not sure, I'm going to go and do some more testing, really this box only exists to run the card and the 2 onboard NICs, that's all it needs |
| 19:57.33 | Jungleland | lzhang: Oh, those cards are also on PCI i bet :) |
| 19:58.12 | Jungleland | lzhang: WHat i would do is re-enable PnP OS in BIOS. Turn off the USB in BIOS, then delete ESCD, and let it rip. |
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| 19:58.55 | lightcap | any feedback on how dangerous it would be to upgrade libc6 on my sarge box so I can install the rrdtool from testing? |
| 19:59.15 | lzhang | Jungleland: delete ESCD? what does that mean |
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| 20:00.03 | sepski | lightcap, i'd rather use rrdtool from backports if i were youi |
| 20:00.08 | lzhang | lightcap: I upgraded libc6 on Sarge and it screwed up locales when using Perl, for what it's worth |
| 20:00.10 | Jungleland | lzhang: In BIOS you can usually "clear out" the PCI configuration. |
| 20:00.13 | nk_ | anyone knows 'laptop_mode'? and in addition this one remembers what I do have to setup to make my harddisk spin down? i once had set it up, but I cannot remember which settings I had to take to make it work |
| 20:00.18 | lightcap | okay...hmmm |
| 20:00.29 | lzhang | Jungleland: lemme get into the BHIOS right now |
| 20:00.30 | lightcap | I hope its available there... |
| 20:00.43 | sepski | lightcap, it is, otherways i woudnt recomend it :) |
| 20:00.48 | lightcap | if not I suppose I could build it myself...but I want to use dpkg to intstall it still |
| 20:00.50 | ChrisAlt | hmm.. I installed libc6 (testing) (2.3.5-1) and now want to get rid of it again because there are too many incompatibilities.. I alredy read that this seems to be very problematic - anyway, is there any chance to remove it again and replace it with an older version? |
| 20:00.55 | lightcap | sepski: ah, thanks :) |
| 20:01.41 | Eulex | ChrisAlt, you're on stable? |
| 20:01.48 | ChrisAlt | Eulex: yep |
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| 20:01.55 | Eulex | ChrisAlt, apt-get install libc6/stable |
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| 20:02.41 | Eulex | lightcap, I think what ChrisAlt said above is a sufficient answer to you. |
| 20:03.03 | lightcap | sepski: so I just add the backports line to my sources.list and then apt-get intstall rrdtool? |
| 20:03.05 | lzhang | Jungleland: So I have "PNP OS Installed: Yes", and "Resources Controlled By: Auto(ESCD)" I can change that to Manual |
| 20:03.41 | sepski | lightcap, i would have read the instructions page on backports and done it that way, saves you from accidently upgrading all of backports |
| 20:03.53 | lzhang | Jungleland: when I do that, I get a list of IRQ's where I can change them from Reserved to PCI device |
| 20:03.57 | sepski | but yes you could do it that way |
| 20:04.03 | lightcap | ok |
| 20:04.07 | Jungleland | No. you WANT ESCD to be auto. But normally you can tell it to "forget" all config, and "re learn" at next boot. |
| 20:05.00 | lzhang | dayam, I guess I have to reboot again |
| 20:05.38 | ChrisAlt | eulex: typing apt-get install libc6/stable, I got a lot of independencies,also with gcc4.0, acpp-4.0, libstdc++6 etc.. how can I get all these packages on the stable version again? |
| 20:05.52 | valdyn | ChrisAlt: you're not on debian/stable |
| 20:05.56 | ChrisAlt | the wire of dependencies seems to be not transparent enough for me to get trough.. |
| 20:06.03 | valdyn | ChrisAlt: since downgrading is not supported you should probably reinstall |
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| 20:06.19 | ChrisAlt | valdyn: the whole system? |
| 20:06.25 | valdyn | ChrisAlt: yep |
| 20:06.28 | ChrisAlt | hm |
| 20:06.29 | ChrisAlt | .. |
| 20:06.30 | ChrisAlt | =P |
| 20:06.30 | Eulex | ChrisAlt, apt-get install libc6/stable foo/stable bar/stable baz/stable etc etc |
| 20:06.30 | ChrisAlt | okay |
| 20:06.54 | ChrisAlt | hmm..let's try eulex' suggestion |
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| 20:07.02 | valdyn | ChrisAlt: what eulex sais is sure right too, but not guaranteed to work at all, and probably alot of work too |
| 20:07.03 | Eulex | ChrisAlt, if it's a lot of stuff that was upgraded; yes, you probably should reinstall, if that's feasible. |
| 20:08.44 | lietuvis | :| No luck in happypenguin.org. There's only one which is what I want but the link seems to be dead... |
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| 20:09.19 | ChrisAlt | eulex: ok... so I'll do so I guess.. just another question. is it possible to directly install the system with the newest kernel? |
| 20:09.25 | ChrisAlt | or do I need to update it later? |
| 20:10.09 | Eulex | ChrisAlt, possible, but not recommended if you can avoid it. |
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| 20:11.12 | kronoz | hi, can anyone help me with openoffice? everytime i move the cursor over the tool bar at the top all the tools disappear |
| 20:11.19 | ChrisAlt | eulex: okay. so I'll do the standard procedure :) thanks. |
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| 20:12.42 | yos87 | Hi |
| 20:12.45 | yos87 | !hi |
| 20:12.45 | dpkg | hello, yos87 |
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| 20:13.20 | yos87 | What is the best package for desing a web pages? |
| 20:13.45 | abrotman | bluefish or nvu probably |
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| 20:14.30 | FlopsyPete | gimpprint PPD files are located in /usr/share/cups/model/gutenprint/..., where are hplip and hpijs's PPD files? |
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| 20:16.20 | yos87 | abrotman: blue fish is nice |
| 20:16.22 | Petrov | i want debian on my computer (not server) what's the bests stable or testing |
| 20:16.37 | abrotman | start with stable .. it's .. stable .. testing can be broken at times |
| 20:17.02 | Petrov | abrotman, oké, thx |
| 20:17.09 | yos87 | petrov: why don't you sarge? |
| 20:17.19 | abrotman | !d-i Petrov |
| 20:17.19 | dpkg | Petrov, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 20:17.25 | cmot | Petrov: if you know Debian's packaging system, you can mix stable and testing (stable base system, add testing's KDE) |
| 20:17.37 | cmot | Petrov: if you don't know Debian well, I'd not recommend this, though. |
| 20:17.49 | cmot | Stable has KDE 3.3 IIRC. Completely usable. |
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| 20:18.01 | nk_ | like all other program versions of sarge |
| 20:18.03 | Ronin | works fine here cmot, not that im on kde a whole lot |
| 20:18.34 | _X-Treme | if I have multiple sources in apt, is it possible to search for a package only in the 'unstable' build ? |
| 20:18.44 | lightcap | sepski: rrdtool requires librrd2 and there is no librrd2 in backports... |
| 20:18.51 | cmot | _X-Treme: not that I know. |
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| 20:18.59 | _X-Treme | ok |
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| 20:19.26 | cmot | _X-Treme: perhaps grep-dctrl can do something, but I never got the hang of that tool. |
| 20:19.28 | quiet | how do you mount an ISO?? something to do with loopback? |
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| 20:19.37 | _X-Treme | the issue is: i'm running testing, how to find out which version of a package is currently latest in unstable |
| 20:19.51 | yos87 | How to make debian support other language? when when I open a japanese or arabic site for example , it's not support it clear! |
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| 20:20.37 | sorpigal | _X-Treme: packages.debian.org is probably the easiest way |
| 20:20.51 | _X-Treme | alright, thanks |
| 20:21.08 | sorpigal | yos87: you need the appropriate fonts installed, for one thing. |
| 20:21.37 | yos87 | sorpigal: it's only font? |
| 20:21.50 | yos87 | sorpigal: apt-cache search arabic font? |
| 20:21.52 | sorpigal | yos87: not necessarily |
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| 20:22.12 | sorpigal | yos87: that would be a good first step. |
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| 20:22.28 | tremor | good evening |
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| 20:22.50 | sepski | lightcap, librrd2 is in backports |
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| 20:23.08 | Sonny | hi, with does every time I boot my laptop, appears 2 windows of xterm loaded? |
| 20:23.20 | yos87 | sorpigal: Thank you for help, I have to go now |
| 20:23.31 | sepski | lightcap, i just followed the instructions now, and aptitude -t sarge-backports install rrdtool installed rrdtool and librrd2 just fine. |
| 20:23.35 | sorpigal | Sonny: do you use gnome? |
| 20:23.46 | Sonny | yep |
| 20:23.50 | tremor | is there a way to adjust and fix the sequence for kernels in grub that way, that the sequence will be the same also after an update after apt-get ...? |
| 20:24.03 | sorpigal | Sonny: gnome-session has intelligently saved them for you. Delete them form your session. |
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| 20:24.05 | abrotman | quiet: yes .. ask google .. "mount ISO loopback" |
| 20:24.25 | lightcap | hmmm |
| 20:24.26 | sorpigal | !mount iso |
| 20:24.26 | dpkg | [mount iso] mount -o loop -t iso9660 filename.iso /mnt/iso |
| 20:24.26 | Sonny | sorpigal, where do I delete them? |
| 20:24.30 | abrotman | Sonny: i told you that *yesterday* |
| 20:24.33 | pilgrim | I'm not running debian, but thinking about it. I'm wondering is there a generic way to open close ports in debian? |
| 20:24.52 | Jungleland | pilgrim: shorewall is your friend. |
| 20:24.55 | sepski | pilgrim, the most generic way in all unixes is dont run anything on the port in the first plave |
| 20:25.00 | Jungleland | (or any other iptables script) |
| 20:25.03 | tremor | so i want the kernel 2.6.12 allways to be the first in the grub-menu |
| 20:25.06 | Sonny | abrotman, I'm sorry I turn off my laptop and miss the command |
| 20:25.17 | sorpigal | Sonny: I did it once manually from the gnome session file while not logged in. Probably there's a session manager somewhere. I don't use gnome. |
| 20:25.26 | pilgrim | sepski, what's a "plave" in debian. </jocking> |
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| 20:26.08 | sorpigal | Yes, I also like to jock. |
| 20:26.18 | pilgrim | sorpigal, ouch. |
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| 20:26.48 | Sonny | abrotman, Can you tell me again? |
| 20:26.54 | nk_ | tremor: copy the part for that kernel and paste in menu.lst in the section BEFORE the part that debian creates and modifies by itself |
| 20:27.16 | tremor | nk_: very thank you. :) |
| 20:29.35 | Sonny | abrotman, are you there? |
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| 20:32.39 | SonnyBurnett | abrotman, help me plz |
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| 20:34.35 | abrotman | SonnyBurnett: close the windows and when you logout .. save your session again |
| 20:34.46 | SonnyBurnett | ok |
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| 20:35.57 | rib | lu tt lmonde |
| 20:41.53 | rib | y aurait til qqun qui pourait m'aider svp...? |
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| 20:41.55 | dn4 | what is a good gui that is like gamespy? |
| 20:41.55 | rib | y a personne pour m'aider ...? |
| 20:41.55 | sorpigal | dn4: you'll have to help here. What is gamespy and what does it do? |
| 20:41.55 | SlayerXP | !fr |
| 20:41.55 | dpkg | it has been said that fr is Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debianfr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debianfr |
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| 20:41.56 | Axioms_101 | hi, if i install the documation package of a program, where do those docs go? |
| 20:41.56 | grendal_prime | hey guys... |
| 20:41.56 | abrotman | /usr/share/doc/<pkg> |
| 20:41.56 | dn4 | sorpigal, Gamespy searches for servers out on the internet that pertain to games like Enemy territory, quake 3, quake2 quake1, doom3, quake 4, and then it shows you a list with a filter applied, lets you add favorite servers, then you can connect to those servers and play the game |
| 20:41.56 | SlayerXP | Axioms_101: /usr/share/doc/ |
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| 20:41.57 | rib | someone know helix server...? |
| 20:41.57 | abrotman | !tell rib about helixplayer |
| 20:41.57 | dn4 | there was some gui that was three letters that was like gamespy |
| 20:41.57 | dn4 | I think gxm |
| 20:41.57 | abrotman | !tell rib about helixlinux |
| 20:41.57 | abrotman | i have no idea what he's looking for |
| 20:41.57 | dn4 | hmmm |
| 20:41.57 | sorpigal | dn4: try xqf - a quake server browser. |
| 20:41.57 | rib | i rent a debian server who was whith kernel 2.4 |
| 20:41.58 | dn4 | sorpigal, I want more than just quake though |
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| 20:41.58 | sorpigal | dn4: you've got more than you did a minute ago. |
| 20:41.59 | dn4 | point taken |
| 20:42.00 | rib | when i want to start helix server i va got a fatal eror |
| 20:42.00 | sorpigal | dn4: and actually, it looks like you want qstat. apt-cache show qstat |
| 20:42.00 | dn4 | sorpigal, WOOT that is the exact program :) |
| 20:42.01 | sorpigal | dn4: xqf is a frontend for qstat. Happy fragging. |
| 20:42.01 | rib | i need update kernel 2.4 to 2.6 |
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| 20:42.01 | dn4 | sorpigal, thank you |
| 20:42.01 | abrotman | rib: are you running helix linux? |
| 20:42.01 | rib | but i need help to update kernel |
| 20:42.01 | abrotman | helix: i'm very sorry |
| 20:42.01 | abrotman | wtf is helix server? |
| 20:42.18 | azeem | maybe something like helix player |
| 20:42.27 | kspath | rib: Where did this "server" mention debian? |
| 20:42.29 | rib | i want to run helix server on debian sarge but helix server run into kernel 2.6 and my kernel is 2.4 |
| 20:42.30 | abrotman | i'm not sure .. there is also helix linux |
| 20:42.35 | abrotman | rib: WHAT IS HELIX SERVER? |
| 20:42.40 | tremor | dn4: maybe you can have a look at http://freshmeat.net/projects/gslist/ |
| 20:42.57 | rib | is a stream server |
| 20:43.12 | kspath | rib: netinstall linux26 done |
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| 20:43.16 | abrotman | rib: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 .. pick the one for your CPU |
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| 20:43.29 | kspath | rib: Two options for you. |
| 20:43.33 | ndee | anyone knows a good shell ftp client, where I can directly edit files? |
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| 20:44.44 | konfuzed | helix server is the Apple media streaming server |
| 20:44.44 | Sonny | how can I see my private IP? |
| 20:44.44 | abrotman | https://helix-server.helixcommunity.org/ |
| 20:44.44 | abrotman | konfuzed: or that? |
| 20:44.44 | rib | https://helix-server.helixcommunity.org/2005/devdocs/seneca.html |
| 20:44.45 | abrotman | Sonny: ifconfig -a |
| 20:44.45 | sorpigal | Sonny: ifconfig |
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| 20:44.45 | kspath | ndee: Define "directly edit file". Is this a set up to tell us about some app you wrote or like? |
| 20:44.45 | konfuzed | ive got this small notion that it might be the macromedia streaming server but no |
| 20:44.50 | sp3000 | konfuzed: real. |
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| 20:45.11 | konfuzed | yeah real media |
| 20:45.23 | ndee | kspath: no, the problem is, my internet connection is weird, FTP is acting very very weird. So I want to connect to a server of mine which is at the same hoster. And edit files from there |
| 20:45.24 | konfuzed | quicktime kept popoing in my head but i knew it wasnt |
| 20:45.35 | ndee | kspath: it seems like SSH works like a charm, so |
| 20:45.36 | sorpigal | ndee: use LUFS and ftpfs |
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| 20:45.52 | konfuzed | apple owns real player right? |
| 20:46.05 | konfuzed | and quicktime right? |
| 20:46.09 | Sonny | abrotman: I dont see my private Ip with this |
| 20:46.14 | RedWork | quicktime, yes, duno about real |
| 20:46.15 | sorpigal | ndee: ssh works? Then use sshfs or shfs. |
| 20:46.18 | bipolar | Has anyone here set up Heimdal with LDAP as the back end? |
| 20:46.23 | tremor | Sonny: /sbin/ifconfig -a |
| 20:46.25 | chance2105 | I want to copy a harddrive image from a computer I'm recovering to another computer on the network. It was suggested that I (livecd'd in) use a combo of dd and netcat -- I'm a little nervous about using dd. Would it be just as effective to use a combo of cat-netcat - netcat-cat ? |
| 20:46.25 | pdbogen | konfuzed : AFAIK, Real owns Realplayer. |
| 20:46.36 | konfuzed | did nt apple buy them |
| 20:46.40 | konfuzed | i guess not |
| 20:46.42 | sp3000 | pdbogen, unpossible! |
| 20:46.46 | pdbogen | chance2105 : dd if=/dev/hda of=- is the same as cat /dev/hda |
| 20:46.50 | sorpigal | chance2105: unless the two disks are identical I would not recommend using dd |
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| 20:46.53 | abrotman | !es |
| 20:46.53 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 20:47.17 | RedWork | I've noticed that etch is going to udev, and requiring that hotplug be removed. Is there some reason for this? |
| 20:47.23 | pdbogen | sorpigal : dd would be fine as long as the target disk is at least the size of the source. |
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| 20:47.33 | chance2105 | sorpigal: pdbogen: The idea is to get the partition images over to a file on the host computer. |
| 20:47.35 | pdbogen | RedWork : Which part? |
| 20:47.42 | sorpigal | chance2105: then nevermind |
| 20:47.44 | pdbogen | RedWork : udev replaces the functionality of hotplug |
| 20:47.59 | RedWork | pdbogen, hmm, thanks |
| 20:48.11 | sorpigal | RedWork: like children they would fight over who gets to insert modules. It could get ugly. |
| 20:48.15 | pdbogen | chance2105 : cat-netcat -> netcat-cat ought to work alright. |
| 20:48.18 | abrotman | RedWork: are you running gnome? |
| 20:48.24 | sp3000 | so if I want to drop a patch onto a bug report, I just shove it at nnnnnn@bugs.debian.org? inline or attachment preferred? |
| 20:48.24 | chance2105 | pdbogen: sorpigal: Thanks. |
| 20:48.30 | RedWork | abrotman, no, icewm |
| 20:48.40 | marlun | How can I check if a package i find with apt-cache search is installed on my machine or not? |
| 20:48.42 | RedWork | sorpigal, ya, I can see that |
| 20:48.49 | pdbogen | marlun dpkg -l <package name> |
| 20:48.50 | abrotman | RedWork: i think you can keep hotplug then .. something with gnome volume manager requires udev |
| 20:48.55 | pdbogen | marlun : If it says 'ii' in the leftmost, then it's installed. |
| 20:49.08 | marlun | pdbogen: thank you :) |
| 20:49.11 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 20:49.12 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "docs", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 20:49.17 | sorpigal | lots of fun things require udev. |
| 20:49.18 | RedWork | abrotman, the latest etch netinst removes hotplug and installs udev |
| 20:49.20 | pdbogen | marlun : dpkg -l also takes wildcards, but you'll probably need to escape them. (e.g., dpkg -l foo\* would list all packages starting with foo) |
| 20:49.27 | abrotman | RedWork: yay! |
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| 20:49.40 | RedWork | sorpigal, I was curious as to why |
| 20:49.47 | pdbogen | sorpigal : I don't think anything *requires* udev (versus a static /dev structure).. At least, nothing I use does. |
| 20:50.05 | pdbogen | RedWork : udev is "better" because it makes what devices you have more obvious, by only having /dev nodes for stuff that you actually have. |
| 20:50.11 | RedWork | I've a sarge system that had hotplug, installed udev, removed udev and reinstalled hotplug and .... it's not happy. |
| 20:50.14 | sorpigal | pdbogen: in Debian lots of fun things are starting to have depends which eventually depend on udev |
| 20:50.25 | pdbogen | RedWork : You'll probably need to run MAKEDEV or somesuch. |
| 20:50.32 | RedWork | pdbogen, ahh, yeah, I can see the advantage of that |
| 20:50.40 | RedWork | pdbogen, tried that, didn't fix it |
| 20:50.42 | pdbogen | sorpigal : Ah, well, seems like that's more of a simulated dependency. But I see what you mean, now. |
| 20:50.50 | pdbogen | RedWork : What, exactly, does "not happy" mean? |
| 20:50.53 | RedWork | actually gave an error about MAKEDEV nolonger being supported |
| 20:50.58 | pdbogen | Heh. |
| 20:51.03 | marlun | pdbogen: thanks again :) |
| 20:51.06 | abrotman | udev is never happy :) |
| 20:51.07 | RedWork | pdbogen, lost sound device noces |
| 20:51.10 | pdbogen | marlun : No worries. |
| 20:51.15 | pdbogen | abrotman : Yeah, I don't like it much myself. |
| 20:51.19 | RedWork | pdbogen, it's not a major issue, just a curiosity |
| 20:51.19 | enyc | ?anybosdy know if mkisofs // iso9660 can have the same file/data under different places in the same iso9660 filesystem tree? -- i.e. multiple files on the cd that contain teh same datra and us the same sectors etc. hence not neeeding more space on iso / cd image { |
| 20:51.24 | enyc | ? |
| 20:51.40 | RedWork | yang, my experiences with udev have been less than wonderful |
| 20:51.43 | pdbogen | enyc : I believe it's possible; I don't know if mkisofs can do it. |
| 20:51.44 | RedWork | er... yeah |
| 20:51.47 | abrotman | !udev |
| 20:51.47 | dpkg | [udev] at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of DevFS, or a package which breaks particularly often in unstable, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.12 in testing and unstable |
| 20:52.18 | RedWork | yang, that sums it up |
| 20:52.24 | marlun | another thing how can I so when doing apt-cache search <something> only the package names are searched? if i for example search for python I get alot of things I just want it to search for packages that has python in their names. |
| 20:52.24 | bipolar | Has anyone here set up Heimdal with LDAP as the back end, or at least set up Heimdal? |
| 20:52.28 | RedWork | geez.... my compleation is wonky |
| 20:52.31 | sorpigal | To get up to date hald stuff working you need up to date udev which means no hotplug, and I like hotplug. Since gnome things like hald, and some of them are libraries, sometimes upgrading innocent applications triggers a "Remove hotplug" chain of pain and horror. |
| 20:52.32 | pdbogen | RedWork : You might want to file a bug against Debian's udev. It ought to restore the system to a usable state when it's done. |
| 20:52.33 | RedWork | sory yang |
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| 20:52.53 | pdbogen | ~tell bipolar about survey |
| 20:53.05 | abrotman | pdbogen: the general impression is that the maintainer could care less about bugs from users |
| 20:53.14 | enyc | pdbogen: well thinking iso9660 level1 is a rather simple reaonly filesystem... |
| 20:53.21 | RedWork | pdbogen, 6 mo. ago, when the details were freash in my mind, yeah, now it'd be a useless bug, not enough detail, I'm afraid. |
| 20:53.49 | yang | :) |
| 20:53.52 | enyc | pdbogen: all sorts of pointing int he middle of other files etc. would make sense really... just changing the pointers etc. since it doesn't support fragmented files and so forth |
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| 20:54.14 | ni1s | Hello |
| 20:54.58 | mrverbose | i have installed bastille and now i cannot login via ssh anymore, though i didnt specify anything ssh related. |
| 20:55.05 | mrverbose | any idea how to restore that? |
| 20:55.20 | sorpigal | mmm, oo.o2... |
| 20:55.24 | ni1s | I'm trying to set up a lighttpd server with php5, but apt wants to install apache2 with php5, is there any way tell it what I dont need that? |
| 20:55.36 | enyc | pdbogen: ooh ys;s it can ;-) -- see 'man mkisofs' and the section '--cache-inodes' |
| 20:55.43 | pdbogen | enyc : There you go, then. |
| 20:55.51 | abrotman | !depends php5 etch |
| 20:55.57 | sorpigal | mrverbose: what kind of can't login is it? Firewalled port kind or no remote logins kind? |
| 20:56.00 | dpkg | php5: depends on libapache2-mod-php5 (>= 5.1.2-1) | libapache-mod-php5 (>= 5.1.2-1) | php5-cgi (>= 5.1.2-1), php5-common (>= 5.1.2-1) |
| 20:56.16 | pdbogen | ni1s : Thanks to abrotman, install php5-cgi along with php5. |
| 20:56.17 | RedWork | mrverbose, logging in as a regular user, or as root? |
| 20:56.25 | abrotman | pdbogen: que? |
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| 20:56.37 | rib | i want to upgrade my kernel on debian sarge to kernel 2.6 and my processor is a sempron 2600+ |
| 20:56.40 | abrotman | oh |
| 20:56.42 | pdbogen | abrotman : Just didn't want it to sound like I wasn't using the info you got from dpkg to answer his question. |
| 20:56.46 | rib | someone can help me please? |
| 20:56.48 | ni1s | Ah! Thanks alot |
| 20:56.51 | abrotman | !depends php5-cgi etch |
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| 20:56.53 | abrotman | rib: we did |
| 20:56.56 | dpkg | php5-cgi: depends on libbz2-1.0, libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libcomerr2 (>= 1.33-3), libdb4.3 (>= 4.3.28-1), libgdbm3, libkrb53 (>= 1.4.2), libpcre3 (>= 4.5), libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8a-1), libxml2 (>= 2.6.23), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), mime-support (>= 2.03-1), php5-common (= 5.1.2-1), libmagic1 |
| 20:57.07 | pdbogen | rib : You should be able to just install a new kernel image. |
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| 20:57.43 | RedWork | rib, apt-get install linux-image-2.6.15-1-k7 |
| 20:57.49 | RedWork | I think that'd be the kernel you'd want |
| 20:57.59 | kspath | rib: K7 if you like |
| 20:58.01 | rib | oki |
| 20:58.07 | abrotman | RedWork: what makes you think he's running etch/sid? |
| 20:58.09 | RedWork | rib, apt-cache search linux-image-2.6 will show you what's avaliable |
| 20:58.18 | RedWork | abrotman, good point |
| 20:58.23 | abrotman | rib: ignore RedWork |
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| 20:58.26 | rib | but on boot it's load this new kernel ? |
| 20:58.28 | RedWork | yes |
| 20:58.30 | abrotman | rib: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 k7 |
| 20:58.40 | rib | oki |
| 20:58.50 | pdbogen | rib: Part of the package install should update your bootloader. The default bootloader configurations should boot the newest kernel available. |
| 20:59.10 | sorpigal | unless it's linux-image |
| 20:59.19 | abrotman | linux-image updates your bootloader |
| 20:59.26 | pdbogen | rib: If you've changed your bootloader configuration, or changed your bootloader using something other than apt, this may break. You would know if you've done this. |
| 20:59.58 | tremor | good evening(day) to all -ww- |
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| 21:00.37 | rib | serveur:~# apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 k7 |
| 21:00.37 | rib | kernel-image-2.6-k7 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6 on AMD K7. |
| 21:00.37 | rib | kernel-image-2.6-k7-smp - Linux kernel image for version 2.6 on AMD K7 SMP. |
| 21:00.37 | rib | kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on AMD K7. |
| 21:00.37 | rib | kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7-smp - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on AMD K7 SMP. |
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| 21:00.53 | kspath | !tell rib about paste |
| 21:01.15 | abrotman | rib: `apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-k7` |
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| 21:01.21 | abrotman | rib: `apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-k7` |
| 21:01.23 | rib | oups |
| 21:01.43 | kspath | rib: I will give you a hint. SMP is multi processing and you do not have two cores or two processors. |
| 21:02.02 | pdbogen | kspath : SMP is only symmetric multiprocessing. ;) |
| 21:02.13 | rib | http://80.247.227.172/phpsysinfo/ |
| 21:02.27 | abrotman | rib: `apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-k7` |
| 21:02.32 | abrotman | i'll say it five more times if you like |
| 21:02.52 | kspath | pdbogen: I am sorry I failed to include the S. |
| 21:02.53 | rib | apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8.2-k7 ? |
| 21:03.03 | abrotman | rib: LOOK |
| 21:03.05 | abrotman | i'll say it five more times if you like |
| 21:03.06 | abrotman | rib: `apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-k7` |
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| 21:03.12 | rib | oki |
| 21:03.12 | abrotman | THAT! |
| 21:03.17 | sorpigal | rib: good troll? |
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| 21:03.23 | abrotman | he's french :) |
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| 21:03.32 | sorpigal | abrotman: no need to be rude |
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| 21:03.50 | kspath | sorpigal: being french is not rude? |
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| 21:04.10 | sorpigal | kspath: Calling someone french is rude, whereas 'troll' is closer to fact. |
| 21:04.20 | abrotman | sorpigal: you dumbass .. i wasn't being rude .. i was implying english probably isn't his first language .. but at least he's smart enough to not IRC with a superuser account |
| 21:04.21 | sfresh_oyter | well said sorpigal |
| 21:04.23 | pdbogen | sorpigal : Yeah, but rib is form a .fr domain. |
| 21:04.28 | pdbogen | *from |
| 21:04.30 | rib | dpkg: syntax error: unknown user `postfix' in statusoverride file |
| 21:04.35 | kspath | sorpigal: You are assuming calling someone french is rude. |
| 21:04.39 | rib | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
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| 21:05.31 | pdbogen | sorpigal : And considering his server is called 'surveur', he's probably French. |
| 21:05.32 | abrotman | rib: why don't you have a postfix user? |
| 21:05.32 | sorpigal | pdbogen, kspath: Making fun of the french is a hobby of mine. I don't mean anything by it, sorry. |
| 21:05.42 | zOap | why all the 'who's french' chat? At the end of the day aren't we all french, or canadian? :P |
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| 21:05.57 | ni1s | zOap, Amen |
| 21:06.16 | abrotman | zOap: eh? |
| 21:06.28 | quiet | is cloop in etch?? do i just need to install cloop-utils? |
| 21:06.28 | rib | who to repar this please? |
| 21:06.28 | sorpigal | abrotman: I am not logged in as the superuser, I just like to look like a big man. |
| 21:06.28 | mrverbose | sorpigal ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host |
| 21:06.43 | mrverbose | RedWork both |
| 21:06.43 | abrotman | sorpigal: Administrator? |
| 21:06.43 | blondie | quack |
| 21:06.46 | zOap | abrotman, it was a joke. not a good one. but maybe the french's got it?;) |
| 21:06.49 | blondie | Administrator... must be using Windows. |
| 21:06.52 | abrotman | zOap: eh? |
| 21:06.52 | sorpigal | abrotman: sounds impressive, doesn't it? |
| 21:06.53 | kspath | quiet: apt-cache search cloop |
| 21:06.55 | abrotman | blondie: exactly |
| 21:07.07 | abrotman | blondie: he's a dirty mIRC user! |
| 21:07.07 | zOap | abrotman, ok, just mute me:) |
| 21:07.07 | blondie | ewwww |
| 21:07.07 | quiet | kspath, yes... there is cloop-src and cloop-utils.. |
| 21:07.14 | blondie | quick fetch the bleach |
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| 21:07.24 | blondie | pdbogen: yes? :P |
| 21:07.32 | lightcap | anyone know why on etch the graphs generated by munin look like this: http://maya.artisantechnologies.com/munin/artisantechnologies.com/maya.artisantechnologies.com.html#Mail |
| 21:07.36 | pdbogen | blondie : The conversation has confused me. |
| 21:07.42 | sfresh_oyter | you gusy are better than tv... |
| 21:07.44 | zOap | !anyone |
| 21:07.44 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 21:07.47 | lightcap | while on sarge they look like: http://dcgateway.pvpowered.com/munin/pvpowered.com/dcgateway.pvpowered.com.html |
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| 21:08.01 | Gnea | sfresh_oyter: that's because we're real |
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| 21:08.14 | sorpigal | abrotman: it's worse than that... I'm using a shareware build of xchat. I feel quite dirty. |
| 21:08.21 | abrotman | Gnea: I'm a bot! |
| 21:08.30 | ni1s | How do I get apt to tell me what packges I got installed? |
| 21:08.35 | Gnea | abrotman: not a brot? :) |
| 21:08.36 | kspath | sfresh_oyter: many things are better than "tv". Tried nature or books or radio or talking with humans at a cafe? |
| 21:08.37 | abrotman | sorpigal: yes .. i'm on win32 also .. but i'm not the admin ... |
| 21:08.43 | pdbogen | sorpigal : There are free builds of XChat for windows. |
| 21:08.51 | abrotman | sorpigal: or rather .. i'm not ircing as the admin |
| 21:08.54 | Gnea | ni1s: you don't. dpkg -l | grep ii |
| 21:08.56 | sorpigal | pdbogen: yes, but I couldn't be bothered. |
| 21:08.58 | pdbogen | sorpigal : http://www.silverex.org/download/ |
| 21:09.01 | sfresh_oyter | kspath : in fact I really watch tv... |
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| 21:09.03 | blondie | I'm a domain admin :D |
| 21:09.07 | blondie | on windows ;o |
| 21:09.09 | rib | dpkg: syntax error: unknown user `postfix' in statusoverride file |
| 21:09.20 | zOap | blondie, haha, |
| 21:09.45 | blondie | hey, there's like 20,000 users |
| 21:09.45 | sorpigal | abrotman: sadly, being an administrator user is necessary. |
| 21:09.45 | Tuetates | Hi, I have managed to total my java installation on my debian box..can anyone help me please |
| 21:09.45 | abrotman | sorpigal: liar |
| 21:09.53 | blondie | pants on fire! |
| 21:09.56 | pdbogen | abrotman : Actually, it's painfully true in Windows. |
| 21:10.01 | GaiaX11 | Why is that freenode does not identify my computer and then connection closes less than 2 minutes? Looking up your hostname... |
| 21:10.01 | GaiaX11 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.01 | GaiaX11 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.02 | GaiaX11 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:10.15 | zOap | Tuetates, I guess not, since you totalled the java... whatever that is..:) |
| 21:10.17 | blondie | pdbogen: why do you need to be admin on windows? |
| 21:10.18 | sorpigal | abrotman: On Windows it's sometimes hard to avoid. This is one of those times. |
| 21:10.21 | abrotman | pdbogen: no |
| 21:10.25 | pdbogen | blondie : I need it, for example, to use StarTeam. |
| 21:10.36 | rib | someone can help me please? |
| 21:10.37 | pdbogen | abrotman : Well, thanks to poor application developers, it is. |
| 21:10.38 | blondie | your fault for using shitty software |
| 21:10.40 | abrotman | rib: i did! |
| 21:10.45 | pdbogen | blondie : Not my choice. |
| 21:10.46 | blondie | thousands of our users manage without it |
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| 21:10.50 | abrotman | pdbogen: write a better app! :) |
| 21:10.51 | sfresh_oyter | rib : and I will |
| 21:11.04 | abrotman | rib: why did your postfix user go away? |
| 21:11.07 | sorpigal | abrotman: I'm thinking he's a clever troll |
| 21:11.14 | abrotman | !fr |
| 21:11.14 | dpkg | somebody said fr was Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debianfr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debianfr |
| 21:11.19 | abrotman | or his english sucks |
| 21:11.32 | rib | because i don't use postfix |
| 21:11.33 | sorpigal | abrotman: optimist |
| 21:11.34 | pdbogen | abrotman : Heh, there are better apps, which are free. That doesn't mean my higher-ups will elect to use them. Especially when there's already a system in place that "works". |
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| 21:12.03 | abrotman | pdbogen: yes .. everyone as admin .. that works |
| 21:12.03 | pdbogen | abrotman : No, but it "works". |
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| 21:12.11 | rib | i need to create a new postfix user? |
| 21:12.14 | abrotman | yeah .. lock down thier machines |
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| 21:12.47 | pdbogen | abrotman : A cupboard with no door works until you need to close it. ;) Anyway, it's not my department to worry about that stuff; I'm just a programmer there. |
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| 21:14.22 | rib | how to repear this mistake?please |
| 21:14.22 | RedWork | thanks for the udev/hotplug info |
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| 21:14.59 | blondie | if you don't use postfix, why do you need a postfix user? |
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| 21:15.19 | rib | i don't need but when i do dpkg: syntax error: unknown user `postfix' in statusoverride file |
| 21:15.26 | quiet | module-assistant fails to build cloop module.. |
| 21:15.38 | rib | apt-get ...... it's return this error |
| 21:17.00 | quiet | can't find anything in bugs. is this a known error? (2.6.15-1-686 on etch) |
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| 21:17.01 | GaiaX11 | How do i see files in a machine running Ubuntu through another one running debian? Samba? |
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| 21:17.02 | blondie | GaiaX11: no use nfs |
| 21:17.02 | quiet | GaiaX11, samba, nfs, whatever. |
| 21:17.02 | asg | or use shfs |
| 21:17.02 | GaiaX11 | How? |
| 21:17.04 | quiet | how |
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| 21:17.26 | GaiaX11 | Through the browser? |
| 21:17.26 | GaiaX11 | Konqueror? |
| 21:17.26 | blondie | no |
| 21:17.27 | squigly | has any one ever used openvpn on debian |
| 21:17.27 | blondie | no |
| 21:17.30 | blondie | GaiaX11: no |
| 21:17.30 | pdbogen | !tell squigly about survey |
| 21:17.43 | quiet | you'de have to set up your desired method... nfs? there is tons of info on setting it up |
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| 21:17.59 | lzhang | how do I diff and compare all files in a directory? |
| 21:18.12 | GaiaX11 | Do I have to mount nfs? |
| 21:18.26 | squigly | pdbogen, seeing I dont have the debian box here its hard to do that, im wondering more about whats involved in its operation |
| 21:18.29 | pdbogen | lzhang : diff -Nru <directoryA> <directoryB> |
| 21:18.31 | blondie | GaiaX11: yes, but you also have to setup shares |
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| 21:18.47 | lzhang | thanks pdbogen |
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| 21:19.07 | GaiaX11 | Where or which is the file to set up? |
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| 21:19.23 | muhoo | i'm looking for a daemon that will accept generic traps from any snmp device, and log them to syslog |
| 21:19.34 | muhoo | not something heavyweight, like mrtg, just a trap daemon |
| 21:19.50 | squigly | really im looking for a segestion on how to run two debian boxes as VPN gateways over ssh or other and what people would suggest using on debian |
| 21:19.58 | muhoo | squigly: OpenVPN |
| 21:20.03 | kspath | GaiaX11: You take notes on all the keywords that were addressed to you and make an attempt at research it my recommendation. |
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| 21:21.46 | GaiaX11 | Ok! |
| 21:21.54 | GaiaX11 | I am doing that. |
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| 21:23.08 | squigly | muhoo, is that some thing you have set up yourself before? |
| 21:23.09 | Woody^working | How to set up tuntap devices? If I do an "ifconfig tap0" I always get "tap0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device" |
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| 21:23.34 | muhoo | squigly: you have to install openvpn and configure it, yes. it's pretty straightforward though. |
| 21:23.37 | kspath | GaiaX11: They were shfs samba nfs and others try looking at mtab and fstab look in /etc/ for config files |
| 21:23.46 | muhoo | no weird kernel reconfiguration either, it's all userspace IIRC |
| 21:23.59 | Woody^working | "ifconfig tap0 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 up" wont work either. |
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| 21:24.58 | pdbogen | Anybody know why, when I use mod_log_forensic, authentication requests with AuthType Basic are reported as being hashed? |
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| 21:25.22 | kspath | GaiaX11: you might also come across smb cifs as keywords and fuse |
| 21:25.37 | rib | i have an eror when i tried to uninstall postfix |
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| 21:25.48 | rib | i past it in #flood |
| 21:26.01 | Babbelaar | how does the directoryindexing rule look like in apache2.conf |
| 21:26.10 | GaiaX11 | How do i save this session? |
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| 21:26.46 | squigly | muhoo, so its some thing you have done before, I rember doing some thing ipchains ages ago to do some thign like this before the widespread use of VPN's and now i cant remember exactly what we did |
| 21:26.46 | kspath | GaiaX11: session of what in what? |
| 21:27.14 | GaiaX11 | What i've been taught so far. |
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| 21:27.47 | lzhang | how do I add a path in the Perl @INC? |
| 21:27.58 | derelm | i am trying to get php4-cgi to work (with mysql ). i installed php4-mysql and tried adding extension=mysql.so to /etc/php4/cgi/php.ini - but it doesn't seem to work. can anyone please help? |
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| 21:28.12 | rib | someone can help me to uninstall postfix please? |
| 21:28.13 | kspath | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:29.14 | melao- | the binaries postgresql and postmaster belong to what packages? |
| 21:29.15 | astronut | would someone recommend to me a decent lightweight java IDE? just need tabs and syntax highlighter, though a package viewer would be really nice |
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| 21:29.25 | sepone | rib just install any other MTA and it will replace postfix |
| 21:29.43 | squigly | how can i see what packes are avaialble in the debian repository with out having a debian system? |
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| 21:30.00 | lzhang | squigly: packages.debian.org? |
| 21:30.03 | sepone | rib, exim-daemon-ligth is a good default |
| 21:30.20 | squigly | lzhang, whats the question mark for? |
| 21:30.29 | _X-Treme | squigly: i'd recommend eclipse, but I wouldn't call it lightweight |
| 21:30.49 | lzhang | squigly: it's just where I go if I just want to look for packages thru browser |
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| 21:31.10 | squigly | lzhang, sounds ideal then |
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| 21:31.50 | melao- | is there a tool that helps me find a packagename given a program that comes with the package? |
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| 21:33.02 | pdbogen | melao- : apt-file |
| 21:33.03 | sp3000 | melao-: apt-file search bin/programname |
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| 21:33.17 | melao- | thanks pdbogen, sp3000 |
| 21:33.30 | Teolupus | Please, I need some help with RAID + LVM installation..... 3rd failed installation today :-( |
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| 21:34.06 | rib | how to know my kernel version whith ssh please? |
| 21:34.16 | Teolupus | Is it possible to install on single disk and after installation "RAID" it with another one (identical to it)??? |
| 21:34.28 | Gnea | !lvm |
| 21:34.28 | dpkg | somebody said lvm was at http://www.sistina.com/products_lvm.htm, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about lvm_tutorial, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
| 21:34.29 | kspath | rib uname -r ? |
| 21:34.39 | squigly | rib ssh user@computername uname -r |
| 21:34.43 | Blissex | Teolupus: yes, as long as the RAID level is mirroring. |
| 21:34.48 | Gnea | !tell Teolupus about lvm_tutorial |
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| 21:35.05 | rib | oki thks |
| 21:35.31 | Teolupus | lvm is fine to me, but this is the first time that I'm using linux software RAID (always used hardware).... |
| 21:35.50 | Objologist | i'm having a problem using the etch installer |
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| 21:36.23 | Objologist | i need to specify a repository manually. we keep a mirror here behind the firewall |
| 21:36.24 | Gnea | Objologist: it's not final, so that's to be expected - file a bug report |
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| 21:36.27 | Teolupus | Blissex: yes! raid1 |
| 21:36.41 | Teolupus | Blissex: will it work? |
| 21:36.56 | Objologist | maybe i should step back to... what would you suggest. I want to get a debian testing install on this laptop asap |
| 21:37.13 | Gnea | Objologist: install sarge and dist-upgrade to etch |
| 21:37.30 | Objologist | btw. what is "jigdo"? |
| 21:37.30 | Blissex | Teolupus: yes, it will work, but tit requires some fancy care. There are a number of tutorials for Debian install and then convert to RAID1... Just do a search or ask the <dpkg> bot. |
| 21:37.39 | Gnea | !jigdo |
| 21:37.39 | dpkg | hmm... jigdo is *the* method for downloading CD/DVD images of Debian. at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ or http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Jigdo/index.html |
| 21:38.00 | afixxxer | Hi ... I have a doubt ... Does somebody have any idea what the purpose is of building the whole Debian archive from source? |
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| 21:38.05 | Blissex | Objologist: it is a program that treats an ISO image a bit as if it were a ZIP file. |
| 21:38.10 | LSorensen | Teolupus: if you configure a broken raid1 (as in one disk missing) and install on the degraded raid, then you can add the second device to it later |
| 21:38.20 | LSorensen | afixxxer: making sure you can |
| 21:38.25 | Gnea | afixxxer: because it's possible. |
| 21:38.29 | Teolupus | thank you gnea |
| 21:38.30 | LSorensen | afixxxer: wanting to build with different optimizations |
| 21:38.42 | Blissex | afixxxer: some people are weird :-) |
| 21:38.45 | LSorensen | Gnea: well it SHOULD be possible. My attempt has resulting in at least a couple of FTBFS bugs |
| 21:38.51 | kspath | afixxxer: Having a lot of free time and this is their new hobby? |
| 21:39.22 | Objologist | seems kind of catch-22'ish. I dl the iso on my OSX box to burn it to install Linux. but now Linux needs a Linux to download and install. :) |
| 21:39.36 | Objologist | thx for the info tho |
| 21:39.50 | Teolupus | LSorensen: I think I'm missing the correct order to do things |
| 21:39.59 | Objologist | i'll try the netinst CD and then do as you suggest (i was using the business card one) |
| 21:40.01 | rib | i have a big probleme..... |
| 21:40.26 | Teolupus | how should it be? create the raid 1st and then create lvm?? |
| 21:40.33 | kspath | Objologist: Wow, you sound just like a politician in the US. |
| 21:40.38 | sepone | Objologist, if that was a beta1 image, then it's broken, only the beta2 images are functional |
| 21:40.38 | rib | i have update my kernel but after reboot , no ssh no apache .... |
| 21:41.00 | rib | just : http://80.247.227.172 |
| 21:41.04 | Jungleland | Teolupus: LVM needs a device to reside on, so yes, you need to set up RAID first. |
| 21:41.24 | kspath | Objologist: Linux is not a particular distribution or a particular version of a distribution. Your statement was false. |
| 21:41.59 | Objologist | kspath: no kidding?? that is great news. i can ditch my job as an underappreciated creative programmer and join the ranks of wealthy plugged in politicians. this is probably *THE BEST* advice i've ever gotten from an irc channel. :) |
| 21:42.09 | Teolupus | Jungleland: I'm receiving strange messages at installation process.... When installing LILO or GRUB it says that the device /dev/md0 (first raid device used on /boot) is currently not active |
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| 21:42.29 | roast | sorry about that. |
| 21:42.38 | rib | please help me ! |
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| 21:43.13 | kspath | Objologist: You might want to turn down your caffiene drip a bit. I hope you enjoy your install. Most people do enjoy it. |
| 21:43.14 | Teolupus | Jungleland: And freequently when changing from one screen to another on the Partitioner, it says that Linux could not re-read partition table on the device, "you must reboot first"...... after rebooting got the same msg |
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| 21:44.08 | Jungleland | Teolupus: i actually had the problem as well in Sarge. But after upping md/kernel to 'testing' (2.6.15) i do not have that problem. |
| 21:44.25 | rib | nobody can help me ? |
| 21:44.37 | Teolupus | Jungleland: I'm trying it with kernel 2.4 |
| 21:44.57 | Gnea | rib: nope. and whining and begging won't get you anywhere. |
| 21:45.12 | Gnea | !tell rib about ask |
| 21:45.16 | Jungleland | Teolupus: any strangeness in messages/syslog? |
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| 21:45.45 | Teolupus | on dmesg after reboot yes..... |
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| 21:46.03 | Gnea | rib: we may not know the problem you're having or may just not know - if someone knows, they'll say something. if you beg like you have been, no one will help you - in short, it's rude to beg for help |
| 21:46.25 | Teolupus | i cant remember exactly, but something about not closed files........ |
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| 21:47.00 | rib | i have update my kernel on debian sarge but after reboot no ssh connection are allowed whith my server appache don't work but i can acces to this : http://80.247.227.172 |
| 21:47.14 | Gnea | rib: what kernel did you upgrade to? |
| 21:47.20 | Jungleland | rib: So whats in the logs? |
| 21:47.29 | rib | 2.4 to 2.6 |
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| 21:47.39 | Gnea | rib: did you compile it? |
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| 21:48.16 | rib | no : apt-get install kernel_image-2.6-k7 and the processor is an amd sempron |
| 21:48.17 | Gnea | rib: rather, what method did you use to install the kernel with? |
| 21:48.32 | Gnea | rib: okay, using sarge? |
| 21:48.36 | rib | yes |
| 21:49.06 | Babbelaar | how does the directoryindexing rule look like in apache2.conf |
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| 21:49.22 | Teolupus | Who knows the correct procedure to create a RAID 1 mirror (on 2 SCSI disks with the same size) during the installation of Debian Sarge????? |
| 21:49.45 | Gnea | Teolupus: no need for more than one question mark. |
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| 21:50.23 | Gnea | !tell Teolupus about raid |
| 21:50.57 | Blissex | Teolupus: it also depends on whether you use LVM RAID, or MD RAID. |
| 21:50.57 | abrotman | Teolupus: using sw raid or hwraid ? |
| 21:50.59 | Gnea | rib: no idea, it should work fine |
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| 21:51.37 | rib | Gnea try this : http://korporate.org |
| 21:51.49 | abrotman | eww .. it starts with a 'k' |
| 21:51.53 | rib | appache don't run |
| 21:52.10 | Gnea | why not? |
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| 21:52.25 | sp3000 | oh I'm sure there's people here who'd be happy to bash yum a bit ;) ... I'd be curious to know if it's normal for yum to resolve deps for a single package upgrade for several hours (which apt does in say ~10s on an ancient box)...? |
| 21:52.56 | rib | beacause 80.247.227.172 and korporate.org is the same ...! |
| 21:53.04 | Gnea | sp3000: sadly, it probably is |
| 21:53.16 | Gnea | rib: that doesn't answer my question. |
| 21:53.32 | Blissex | sp3000: Yum is OK, probably it was Yum's annoying idea of doing an automatic 'update' before every operation.... |
| 21:53.33 | thingfish | haha you can't count the number of times people used to come into #fedora complaining about yum and its slowness. |
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| 21:54.08 | grendal_prime | hey in testing there is a kde plugin i believe calld knetattach |
| 21:54.20 | rib | if my ssh connection don't work i can't acces my server |
| 21:54.26 | grendal_prime | is that pluging available in kde 3.3 ? |
| 21:54.28 | rib | how to repar this |
| 21:54.35 | Gnea | rib: reboot it |
| 21:54.48 | sp3000 | Blissex: well, that part only takes a minute or two, so it's, what, <1% of the total time :D |
| 21:54.49 | rib | it's a dedicaced server |
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| 21:54.54 | Gnea | rib: reboot it |
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| 21:55.09 | Teolupus | Blisex: What is the difference betwheen LVM RAID and MD raid? |
| 21:55.09 | grendal_prime | ribs server is probably in ...geniva or some place like that |
| 21:55.14 | rib | how to reboot whithout ssh? |
| 21:55.15 | Teolupus | abrotman: sw raid |
| 21:55.18 | mario_ | Hola a todos |
| 21:55.25 | grendal_prime | and rib is on couch with cheetos in Ohio |
| 21:55.28 | Gnea | rib: get someone to press the 'reset' button |
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| 21:55.54 | Blissex | sp3000: no, that part can take forever if there are various retries etc. It is the one annoying bit of Yum. |
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| 21:56.06 | grendal_prime | rib...if you realy have to you can call the cops and tell them the building is under seige. then they shut off the power |
| 21:56.22 | grendal_prime | then you can call them and tell them you were mistaken..and they turn the power back on |
| 21:56.22 | quiet | lol! |
| 21:56.35 | Gnea | and then they haul him off to jail |
| 21:56.49 | grendal_prime | ya but the server is going to have to be turned back on. |
| 21:57.04 | Gnea | so the server gets rebooted anyway |
| 21:57.05 | Gnea | heh |
| 21:57.05 | grendal_prime | oooh wait...you need to factor in batery backup |
| 21:57.37 | grendal_prime | or rib could call someone and have them press the reset button |
| 21:57.44 | brenden12822 | How do i kill a process by its name? |
| 21:57.51 | rib | yes but if they reboot it , it's work fine ? |
| 21:57.52 | grendal_prime | i think somone suggested that though |
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| 21:58.02 | quiet | brenden12822, install htop |
| 21:58.04 | grendal_prime | you better hope so |
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| 21:58.13 | abrotman | Teolupus: there's a sw raid howto |
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| 21:58.33 | Blissex | Teolupus: LVM RAID is done via DM and MD RAID is done via MD. They are almost compatible, but fairly different in implementation. |
| 21:58.40 | grendal_prime | rib Mines work fine |
| 21:58.43 | grendal_prime | ? |
| 21:58.45 | rib | because after kernell update i have reboot it but no ssh |
| 21:58.55 | rib | no appache |
| 21:59.12 | Blissex | Teolupus: most RAID HOWTOs you are going to find for Debian talk about MD RAID, which is the older one. |
| 21:59.21 | Teolupus | Blissex: what do you recommend? i was googling about it and seems that people is using MD + LVM |
| 21:59.26 | quiet | heh... maybe it dind't boot up... maybe your grub got fudged... and the box is hanging at a kernel panic rib ? |
| 21:59.27 | shogunx | brenden12822 killall -9 $PROCESSNAME |
| 21:59.42 | grendal_prime | rib, i guess you could "wish" it all better? |
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| 22:00.06 | grendal_prime | damn it...where are the ruby slippers? |
| 22:00.07 | Blissex | Teolupus: depends -- for Debian stable I think MD RAID is more appropriate. If you were using Fedora then LVM RAID would probably be more appropriate. |
| 22:00.11 | Gnea | rib: you have to make sure they reboot it to the 2.4 kernel |
| 22:00.24 | quiet | wow.. i am so dislexic... I thought that said Trisexy.. |
| 22:00.25 | quiet | haha |
| 22:00.28 | grendal_prime | who has the ruby slippers...rib needs them hes wishing his server back up with a new kernel |
| 22:00.29 | sp3000 | Blissex: well, the autoupdate annoyance can be turned off with a command line option without defeating the purpose of the sw ...dependency checking can't |
| 22:00.31 | Teolupus | Blissex: stability is in 1st place |
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| 22:00.46 | Teolupus | Blissex: so i'll go with MD RAID + LVM over it..... |
| 22:00.52 | Blissex | Teolupus: also, probably MD RAID is easier to bootstrap into than LVM RAID, mostly because it uses the normal partition scheme. |
| 22:00.53 | Teolupus | Blissex: do you know a good howto? |
| 22:00.59 | kspath | rib: This is your first server ever? |
| 22:01.18 | rib | yes |
| 22:01.28 | Blissex | Teolupus: I would not use LVM at all, unless you have compelling reasons (I know of only two: Oracle tablespaces, VM images). |
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| 22:01.32 | Teolupus | Blissex: When using LVM I usually let /boot and swap out of it..... how this applies with RAID? |
| 22:01.34 | rib | but its my ip : http://80.247.227.172 and internet explorer find it (it's work ???) |
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| 22:01.40 | foo | I am getting errors like this on my system. http://pastebin.com/602494 - I have done badblocks on both hard drives in this box and both say no hard drive errors. The system freezes.. goes into a read only filesystem. Any ideas? |
| 22:01.44 | Teolupus | Blissex: PostgreSQL TableSPACES :D |
| 22:02.05 | grendal_prime | foo, memory mod bad maybe? |
| 22:02.11 | Teolupus | Blissex: why would you not use LVM? |
| 22:02.38 | kspath | rib: You want remote console access to any servers you are attempting to administer/administrate. |
| 22:02.43 | Teolupus | this dkpg robot is very nice..... |
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| 22:03.08 | Blissex | Teolupus: because usually there is not much pointn to having dozens of partitions or resizable ones... |
| 22:03.44 | cusco | hi |
| 22:03.46 | kspath | rib: Else, make sure that whereever your server is colocated/hosted they will press buttons for you. Do not expect them to know all OSs or applications or any for that matter. |
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| 22:03.51 | Blissex | Teolupus: http://www.midhgard.it/docs/lvm/Root-on-LVM-on-RAID-HOWTO.pdf |
| 22:04.00 | rib | i have administrate my server but i need to install helix server and it works whith kernel 2.6 and after upgrade kenel : crash |
| 22:04.18 | cusco | what do I chmod my dir and filts to so when others try to list or read they don't haver meission? |
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| 22:04.26 | Teolupus | Blissex: I really think they're usefull, specially on the production server which grows fast and need to scale! |
| 22:04.28 | cusco | permission |
| 22:05.05 | kspath | rib: That is good information to give to any that might help but your really need someone on site with your server in order to troubleshoot the problem. |
| 22:05.09 | Teolupus | Blissex: Thank you for pointing the PDF.... |
| 22:05.39 | Blissex | Teolupus: I think the non-PDF is here: http://www.open-organizations.org/view/Socialtools/RaidLvmHowto but note what it says about the new installer for Sarge... |
| 22:05.45 | CoolCubix | please, even with RTFMing, i can't understand how to test if $VAR == 2 in bash... could someone help me ? (just the line if (expression) ; then) |
| 22:06.02 | rib | i mail my hoster for he reboot my server but how can i make if it don't work after reboot? |
| 22:06.02 | Teolupus | Blissex: I'll see |
| 22:06.11 | Teolupus | Blissex: back in a min. |
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| 22:06.29 | Blissex | CoolCubix: there are two ways, and virtual nobody knows the correct way... |
| 22:06.37 | kspath | rib: That is why people pay actual unix/linux/bsd systems administrators. |
| 22:06.45 | Teolupus | Blissex: "These instruction are not valid any more, since sarge installer has RAID/LVM options"......??? :P |
| 22:07.18 | Blissex | CoolCubix: what most people use is 'if [ "$VAR" = "2" ]; then ....; fi |
| 22:07.21 | Teolupus | Blissex: I wonder if someone has ever described how to do it with the new installer..... lol |
| 22:07.38 | Blissex | Teolupus: there is a very large new installer manual IIRC... |
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| 22:07.48 | CoolCubix | Blissex> thank you, it's just what i wanted :) what is the other way ? case...esac ? |
| 22:08.17 | Blissex | CoolCubix: yes, 'case "$VAR" in "2") ...; esac', that is the proper way. |
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| 22:08.32 | Teolupus | Blissex: I read all pages from the debian.org manual |
| 22:08.40 | kspath | rib: While it is true you do not need to understand how to rebuild your car in order to drive/use it. It is quite useful to know all about your car. This is not unlike using a server and administrating a server. |
| 22:09.02 | Teolupus | Blissex: Nothing really helpfull when talking about the new installer + raid + lvm + where I put /, /boot and swap :-) |
| 22:09.31 | CoolCubix | Blissex> thank you very much it works >< |
| 22:09.33 | kspath | rib: If you are going to tinker/change your linux than you will want to know at least enough to deal with what might or might not happen. |
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| 22:10.22 | lordnazgul | is there any way to remove all the packages listed by deborphan with a one line command, or other short type of process? |
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| 22:11.14 | sp3000 | Blissex: so what makes the second variant more correct? :) |
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| 22:11.47 | TonyStark | I'm having some trouble with my digital camera (a canon a80) with gphoto, becuase I can do everything as root, but not as any other user. I have done all the steps of the tutorial in http://www.gphoto.org/doc/manual/permissions-usb.html#setting-up-linux-hotplug and it is as in the manual, but one thing left, the part that says "" You must have the files devices and drivers in your /proc/bus/usb directory", becuase I don't have the drivers file... what can |
| 22:11.47 | TonyStark | I do? |
| 22:11.51 | PhoenixMan | hi. What is the command to check for big files? |
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| 22:12.18 | Blissex | sp3000: historical reasons mostly but also thats the more ''bournish'' way of doing things. The primary string equality/matching system in the Bourne shell is 'case', not 'if'. 'if' is mostly for testing success/failure of pipelines. |
| 22:13.20 | abrotman | PhoenixMan: man find |
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| 22:13.38 | Blissex | Teolupus: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ#head-c7d5c839c7985d0705132cd8d8b607fd6a067f53 is perhaps all there is on the subject... |
| 22:13.50 | Teolupus | Blissex: http://www.planamente.ch/emidio/pages/linux_howto_root_lvm_raid.php seems to be what we're looking for! |
| 22:14.03 | sp3000 | Blissex: ok, I was wondering if there's a technical reason, beyond stylistic concerns |
| 22:14.30 | Teolupus | Blissex: "You will asked for writing changes to disks. Answer yes and ignore eventually warning about the kernel.".... he got the messages too! |
| 22:14.46 | Blissex | Teolupus: so you are happy now :-) |
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| 22:16.08 | Teolupus | Blissex: No.... he did the same thing as me, but mine went wrong!!!! :((((( |
| 22:16.21 | PhoenixMan | find? |
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| 22:16.32 | dooglus | lordnazgul: apt-get remove $(deborphan) |
| 22:16.47 | Teolupus | Blissex: My problem is about installing grub or lilo........ (if what i did with md + raid is right like said on the howto) |
| 22:17.26 | abrotman | PhoenixMan: man find .. find is a command .. man will teach you how to use it |
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| 22:17.39 | lordnazgul | thx much dooglus |
| 22:17.45 | abrotman | dooglus: that's kind of dagnerous .. he should at least check the contents before he does that |
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| 22:18.01 | lordnazgul | dooglus can i put arguments on deborphan that way? |
| 22:18.02 | dooglus | abrotman: that's what he asked for. he's already checked I presume |
| 22:18.13 | lordnazgul | abrotman, im working in a chroot, im not too concerned |
| 22:18.15 | xored | hello, i try to path a file ( wiki wrapper ) and getting such an error using ( patch -i patchfile ) : patch: **** malformed patch at line 45: |
| 22:18.18 | dooglus | lordnazgul: sure. put them inside the parentheses |
| 22:18.46 | lordnazgul | excelent thx. |
| 22:19.09 | dooglus | lordnazgul: did you discover debfoster? that's a nice way to remove packages you don't need, too. |
| 22:19.23 | lordnazgul | nope but thx for pointing it out, ill check it out |
| 22:19.31 | dooglus | lordnazgul: it's interactive |
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| 22:19.45 | lordnazgul | very kool |
| 22:19.56 | Blissex | Teolupus: but GRUB ''just works'' with RAID1... |
| 22:20.05 | lordnazgul | dooglus. thx for your help |
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| 22:20.31 | abrotman | deborphan | xargs apt-get -y --purge remove .. will also work |
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| 22:21.04 | Teolupus | Blissex: I'll try to install again.... let's see if now we'll have a happy ending |
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| 22:22.07 | Teolupus | Blissex: Since I need a real real stable server I'd like to use kernel 2.4..... do you think that this could be a problem? |
| 22:22.14 | TonyStark | I'm having some trouble with my camera (canon a80) with gphoto, because I can do everything as root, but not as any other user. I have done all the steps of the tutorial in http://www.gphoto.org/doc/manual/permissions-usb.html#setting-up-linux-hotplug and it is as in the manual, but one thing left, the part that says "" You must have the files devices and drivers in your /proc/bus/usb directory", because I don't have the drivers file... what can I do? |
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| 22:22.24 | Blissex | Teolupus: probably. But 2.6 is really stable. |
| 22:22.51 | Teolupus | Blissex: ... expert26 loading |
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| 22:22.57 | Teolupus | Blissex: :D |
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| 22:25.00 | CeChe | hi all! |
| 22:25.08 | erhan_R | hi CeChe |
| 22:25.55 | CeChe | one question |
| 22:26.05 | CeChe | how can i know all virtualhosts in a server like whois.sc |
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| 22:31.38 | Teolupus | Blissex: No problems if I create md0 for boot, md1 for SWAP and md2 for LVM ---- right? :-? |
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| 22:32.15 | Blissex | Teolupus: you can try ;-) But most people advise against putting swap on RAID, multiple swap partitions of the same priority already load balance, and better. |
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| 22:32.35 | karpet | hello? |
| 22:32.43 | Blissex | Teolupus: also, multiple smaller swap partitions apparently perform better than a single large one. |
| 22:32.44 | Teolupus | Blissex: but they'r not fail safe, correct? |
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| 22:33.00 | sparr | what is a good cheap linux-friendly IDE controller card? |
| 22:33.18 | Teolupus | Blissex: I mean.... what if one disk crashes while swap on it is beeing used (and swap not inside RAID) ? |
| 22:33.18 | Ollie | pci? |
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| 22:33.53 | Blissex | Teolupus: hahahahahaahaha. A mirrored swap partition is a bit of an extreme idea. Yes, mirrored swap is a bit better. |
| 22:33.53 | sparr | yes, pci |
| 22:33.56 | sparr | or pci-e |
| 22:34.42 | Teolupus | Blissex: ... I can't loose a bit of data :D |
| 22:34.53 | Teolupus | Blissex: paranoic |
| 22:35.22 | TonyStark | when i do cat /proc/bus/usb/drivers ther is no "dirvers" file... why is happening this? what can i do about that in order to be that file? |
| 22:35.24 | sparr | Teolupus: you shouldnt have 'data', per se, in swap :) |
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| 22:35.53 | Blissex | Teolupus: you should have gotten a hw RAID card like a 3ware... |
| 22:36.25 | Blissex | sparr: most not very new IDE cards are OK. e.g. VIA chipset or SIL680 one. |
| 22:36.48 | sparr | Blissex: can you name a particular card specifically? |
| 22:36.57 | Teolupus | sparr: I'll have data on memory :D on my database buffer cache which eventually goes to SWAP....... |
| 22:37.06 | Blissex | sparr: no, because almost all these cards have no name and cost US$15. |
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| 22:37.06 | tremor | TonyStark: did you do all the steps like described in step-1 ? |
| 22:37.16 | grendal_prime | just blaim it on me |
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| 22:37.43 | Teolupus | Blissex: I know..... but I'm playing with the cards in my hand....... I dont have a RAID card at the moment (thats the first time using sw raid) |
| 22:37.58 | grendal_prime | thank you..anyone else...?? |
| 22:38.01 | Blissex | Teolupus: OK, then what you got should be fairly safe anyhow. |
| 22:38.06 | grendal_prime | just blame me |
| 22:38.16 | Blissex | Teolupus: also, you might want to mount with the 'sync' option. |
| 22:38.22 | TonyStark | tremor, I didn't, because of erros like this one ""FATAL: Module usb_uhci not found" |
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| 22:38.54 | Blissex | Teolupus: or at least, if you use 'ext3', 'data=journal'. |
| 22:39.37 | Blissex | Teolupus: if your RAID is really large (e.g. above 500GB), consider using JFS instead of 'ext3', and use JFS anyhow if it is for a Samba server. |
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| 22:41.34 | Teolupus | Blissex: I'll go with reiserfs because I need to do online LVM expansion |
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| 22:41.53 | Blissex | Teolupus: JFS and 'ext3' do that too... |
| 22:42.12 | Teolupus | Blissex: ext3??? |
| 22:42.24 | Blissex | Teolupus: indeed 'ext3' *cannot* do _offline_ expansion, only online :-). |
| 22:42.39 | Teolupus | Blissex: I tried on another server and it said that it musted be unmounted first.... |
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| 22:42.47 | Teolupus | Blissex: I'll test it right now.. :D |
| 22:43.35 | tremor | TonyStark: i had a look here .. usbfs already mounted |
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| 22:43.56 | tremor | without the line about the missing module usb-uhci |
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| 22:44.20 | tremor | TonyStark: do you have usbfs already mounted? mount | grep usb |
| 22:44.39 | Teolupus | Blissex: 1st lvextend right.... |
| 22:44.57 | TonyStark | tremor, yes, usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw) |
| 22:45.21 | konfuzed | somebody needs to check in on this one really http://www.steakandbjday.com/ |
| 22:45.25 | TonyStark | tremor I think all th eproblem arises from the fact that in /proc/usb there is no drivers file... |
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| 22:45.57 | Teolupus | Blissex: LV extend ok on tmp LOGICAL VOLUME |
| 22:46.02 | tremor | TonyStark: if i remember correctly you did a cat /proc/bus/usb |
| 22:46.11 | Teolupus | Blissex: now, what is next to do it online with ext3? resize2fs ??? |
| 22:46.18 | tremor | but make a 'ls /proc/bus/usb' |
| 22:46.26 | Nwallins | dondelelcaro: i was in here last week complaining about weird emacs behavior. more info: it seems to be triggered by a combination of C-k and C-y |
| 22:46.33 | tremor | you should see the 'file' |
| 22:46.37 | tremor | i hope |
| 22:47.06 | TonyStark | tremor yes i did, and the answer is "ls /proc/bus/usb |
| 22:47.06 | TonyStark | 001 002 003 004 005 devices |
| 22:47.06 | TonyStark | " |
| 22:47.31 | Nwallins | dondelelcaro: restarting emacs seems to have no effect. restarting my bash session seems to fix |
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| 22:47.40 | tremor | oops, i was wrong |
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| 22:47.49 | dooglus | I was having trouble playing music in debian. I noticed that I didn't have a /dev/dsp. I booted into ubuntu to compare the modules that it loaded, and found that debian wasn't loading snd_pcm_oss whereas ubuntu was. |
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| 22:48.12 | dooglus | So I loaded snd_pcm_oss in debian and it worked. Will it be automatically loaded in future? Or do I need to edit a config file? |
| 22:48.12 | zOap | is it possible to adjust the area used for scrolling in the synaptic driver? or is this product dependable? |
| 22:48.33 | dooglus | zOap: it's possible. in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 22:48.44 | zOap | dooglus, thanks |
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| 22:48.57 | TonyStark | tremor, the problem is that it doesn't mount the device with the right permissions, becuase as root I can access to the device, but nos a "normal user" |
| 22:49.05 | dooglus | zOap: or add a line to that file in the synaptic section saying Option"SHMConfig""on" # allow configuration on the fly |
| 22:49.15 | dooglus | zOap: then you can configure it on the fly |
| 22:49.45 | zOap | ooh, ok |
| 22:51.24 | grendal_prime | im i still being blamed?? |
| 22:51.26 | Teolupus | ok... i've just extended (lvextend -L+50M /dev/VG1/tmp) /tmp....... now what is next to online resize it (ext3) ? |
| 22:51.28 | grendal_prime | sorry..i ment to type |
| 22:51.37 | grendal_prime | Am I still being blamed? |
| 22:51.39 | TonyStark | tremor do you have any idea what can i done? |
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| 22:51.58 | tremor | TonyStark: i have to pass, no other ideas at the moment |
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| 22:52.16 | TonyStark | tremor oh well, thank you for trying ;D |
| 22:52.21 | CaT[tm] | isn't there a utility available that presents a virtual keyboard you can use to type with? |
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| 22:53.28 | zOap | dooglus, I gather thaat is the "FingerLow" and the "FingerHigh" which is the ones I'm looking for? |
| 22:54.22 | CaT[tm] | damn. need a way to insert the degree symbol |
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| 22:55.17 | grendal_prime | why is there no blameing? |
| 22:55.25 | grendal_prime | Im the IT jesus today |
| 22:55.41 | SuperNet | how do i apache2 |
| 22:56.34 | Teolupus | is it real possible to resize ext3 online on kernel 2.6 (sarge) ???? |
| 22:56.34 | grendal_prime | "Gather all your greef, wasted time, lost printer jobs, your weary fingers and gather them unto my feet as i will take all blame for it so as ye may be wanton of work nevermore" |
| 22:56.34 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 22:56.34 | SuperNet | how do i apache2 ?? |
| 22:56.34 | Nwallins | SuperNet: missing a verb, there |
| 22:56.35 | Nwallins | SuperNet: it's kind of like the Funky Chicken ;) |
| 22:56.35 | Teolupus | when i try to resize2fs the extended volume it says that it must be unmounted........ |
| 22:56.35 | SuperNet | start |
| 22:56.35 | SuperNet | sorry |
| 22:56.35 | SuperNet | how do i start apache2 ?? |
| 22:56.38 | Nwallins | apache2ctl start |
| 22:56.43 | Nwallins | or /etc/init.d/apache2 start |
| 22:56.45 | grendal_prime | /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
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| 22:57.03 | grendal_prime | Nwallins, you owe me a coke |
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| 22:57.05 | Nwallins | `apache2ctl graceful` is a good way |
| 22:57.15 | tarzeau | anyone wants to try brutalchess debian packages? |
| 22:57.17 | Nwallins | grendal_prime: you got it backwards |
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| 22:57.29 | citral | Teolupus: then unmount it.............. |
| 22:57.40 | grendal_prime | i was reading from the bottom up |
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| 22:57.59 | grendal_prime | hell ill buy you the coke... |
| 22:58.03 | dooglus | zOap: are you talking about the area used as a scrollbar on the right hand side? |
| 22:58.06 | VulpesFoxnik | Debian doesn't have the same problem with /var/log/installer/cdebconf/questions.dat that Unbuntu has, correct? |
| 22:58.08 | tremor | tarzeau: is it for console or for X ? |
| 22:58.13 | grendal_prime | after all its all my fault today |
| 22:58.15 | tarzeau | tremor: x, 3d |
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| 22:58.25 | digijohn | Anybody in here using Debian on a SPARCstation? |
| 22:58.26 | zOap | dooglus, yes |
| 22:58.29 | tarzeau | digijohn: yes |
| 22:58.35 | SuperNet | seems like it is not starting |
| 22:58.36 | tiCo89 | hey tarzeau :-) |
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| 22:58.39 | Nwallins | grendal_prime: i'll take a reasonable facsimile |
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| 22:58.45 | tiCo89 | tarzeau: no, no flumsi at saturday, i'm sorry... |
| 22:58.46 | grendal_prime | VulpesFoxnik, nope probably not, dont have a clue what that might be but debian is not ubunto |
| 22:58.47 | tarzeau | hey tiCo89, i'm snowboarding saturday |
| 22:58.50 | digijohn | tarzeau: I'm having problems with partitioning |
| 22:58.55 | tremor | tarzeau: X ok, but no 3d here, so i better pass -g- |
| 22:59.24 | VulpesFoxnik | grendal_prime: Viewing that file on the Current dist of Ubuntu lets you read the root password |
| 23:00.00 | VulpesFoxnik | grendal_prime: I know Debian is not Ubuntu, but they are in the same APT family and I combind apt sources with my Debian Matchine with Ubuntu |
| 23:00.27 | SuperNet | it says it started but it isn't |
| 23:00.27 | tiCo89 | tarzeau: lug-seeland was cool |
| 23:00.27 | tarzeau | digijohn: what size of disk? |
| 23:00.27 | digijohn | tarzeau: 2GB |
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| 23:00.28 | tarzeau | tiCo89: oh nice.. chicks? |
| 23:00.28 | tarzeau | digijohn: you know you can't do too large partitions? |
| 23:00.28 | digijohn | tarzeau: Is that it? |
| 23:00.28 | tiCo89 | no, it's a lug -> in general no chicks |
| 23:00.28 | tarzeau | digijohn: and you need to make bsdlable stuff? |
| 23:00.28 | digijohn | gar |
| 23:00.28 | tarzeau | digijohn: probably, checked #sparc yet? |
| 23:00.29 | Teolupus | citral: Idea was to resize it online, since Blissex said that ext3 already supports online resizing on Sarge with kernel 2.6 and lvm2..... anyone? |
| 23:00.29 | digijohn | The installer can't do it automagically? |
| 23:00.29 | tarzeau | tiCo89: lug's don't generally not have chicks |
| 23:00.29 | tarzeau | tiCo89: besides, there's places around lugs where , with a little lug you can dig chicks as well |
| 23:00.29 | grendal_prime | tarzeau, where you going skiing? |
| 23:00.29 | tiCo89 | tarzeau: all the lug's i know are without chicks... |
| 23:00.29 | tarzeau | grendal_prime: switzerland, an hour from zurich |
| 23:00.29 | grendal_prime | lucky bastard |
| 23:00.29 | tarzeau | grendal_prime: and you? |
| 23:00.35 | dooglus | zOap: I don't think so, but I can't find anything better to tell you. |
| 23:00.41 | grendal_prime | we got alot of snow here...california...sierras |
| 23:00.46 | ryan` | NFS root question: does the kenrnel understand NFS root locations supplied by a DHCP server? If so, how do I tell the kernel to use it? |
| 23:00.54 | tarzeau | grendal_prime: must be nice too |
| 23:01.03 | grendal_prime | BearValley aloso kirkwood is close |
| 23:01.17 | grendal_prime | squaw valley is a 172 trip away |
| 23:01.27 | tiCo89 | tarzeau: do you know "beat" from vision.ee.ethz.ch? |
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| 23:01.38 | tarzeau | grendal_prime: i know what a trip is, but what's a 172 trip away? |
| 23:01.41 | brenden12822 | whats the difference between apache2 and apache? |
| 23:01.53 | tarzeau | brenden12822: don't use apache2 |
| 23:01.58 | grendal_prime | 172...its light aircraft 4 people, im a pilot |
| 23:02.00 | brenden12822 | tarzeau: k |
| 23:02.02 | tarzeau | tiCo89: no |
| 23:02.05 | ryan` | grendal_prime: was up skiing at Alpin Medows recently. |
| 23:02.12 | brenden12822 | tarzeau: why not? |
| 23:02.16 | VulpesFoxnik | Why shouldn't I use Apache2? |
| 23:02.36 | grendal_prime | ya ryan` this weekend would be good, there is like 15 feet in dorington i heard |
| 23:02.41 | tarzeau | !apache2 |
| 23:02.41 | dpkg | it has been said that apache2 is a virtual package provided by one of the following packages: apache2-mpm-worker, apache2-mpm-prefork, apache2-mpm-perchild. Each package contains the apache2 server compiled with unique options - Read the description for each package and select the one right for you. You should also read the docs, which are in the apache2-doc package. |
| 23:02.41 | grendal_prime | allmost all freshe |
| 23:03.07 | grendal_prime | infact im looking out my window at work and the mourtain in front of me is white on top and im in sonora |
| 23:03.14 | ryan` | grendal_prime: Problem is that it's about a 150 mile trip for me. |
| 23:03.32 | grendal_prime | you in the bay? |
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| 23:03.47 | ryan` | sacremento area, davis specificly. |
| 23:03.54 | grendal_prime | oh ya |
| 23:04.00 | grendal_prime | im down there alot |
| 23:04.08 | grendal_prime | wife has family down there |
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| 23:04.16 | ryan` | mm. |
| 23:04.16 | grendal_prime | davis has university airport |
| 23:04.26 | ryan` | yup. |
| 23:04.42 | ryan` | I do want to learn to fly eventualy. |
| 23:04.47 | grendal_prime | have to come down some time and grab ya for a trip up the mountain |
| 23:04.47 | ryan` | right now i cannot affort it. |
| 23:05.04 | grendal_prime | im planning on getting cfi Maybe ill teach ya |
| 23:05.05 | ryan` | i also can't type, apparently. |
| 23:05.12 | ryan` | that'd be cool |
| 23:05.19 | ryan` | you own your plane? |
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| 23:05.42 | Teolupus | Blissex: I'm trying to online resize an ext3 partition under Debian Sarge with kernel 2.6 and lvm2.... lvextend went ok, but resize2fs says: can't resize a mounted filesystem! |
| 23:05.43 | grendal_prime | I have access to several |
| 23:05.49 | grendal_prime | i rent them |
| 23:05.52 | ryan` | ah. |
| 23:05.53 | Teolupus | Blissex: are you sure that is possible to resize it online? |
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| 23:06.00 | grendal_prime | i dont fly enough to own one... |
| 23:06.04 | ryan` | how much do they cost to rent? |
| 23:06.05 | dooglus | zOap: turns out it's "RightEdge" that determines the width of the scroll area |
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| 23:06.41 | grendal_prime | 55 for 2 place plane, 100 for brand new 4 place plane |
| 23:06.52 | Blissex | Teolupus: yes... |
| 23:06.55 | ryan` | per day? |
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| 23:07.00 | grendal_prime | per hour |
| 23:07.07 | grendal_prime | that includes fuel |
| 23:07.10 | ryan` | ah. |
| 23:07.16 | ryan` | but only flight time? |
| 23:07.25 | Teolupus | Blissex: do I need to use another tool instead of resize2fs?? |
| 23:07.29 | grendal_prime | but from here to sac its like 20 min man hehehe ya just flight time |
| 23:07.36 | ryan` | oh, sweet. |
| 23:07.47 | grendal_prime | runup is longer than flight actually if its ifr |
| 23:07.48 | ryan` | that's not bad at all. |
| 23:07.57 | ryan` | ifr? |
| 23:07.59 | Teolupus | Blissex: if you're right, ext3 will be the filesystem on the new server too!!! Never had a crash with ext3 |
| 23:08.09 | SuperNet | how do I install apache2 |
| 23:08.10 | grendal_prime | Intrument flight... |
| 23:08.43 | grendal_prime | i fly down to marin, petaluma area, napa and back in less than two hours |
| 23:08.52 | ryan` | cool |
| 23:09.53 | grendal_prime | I just finished my INST. rating, so i can now fly in Adverse weather |
| 23:10.03 | Blissex | Teolupus: I am trying to find the proper docs for that, and 'resize2fs' is not the right way. |
| 23:10.08 | ryan` | heh. |
| 23:10.15 | grendal_prime | Not that i want to |
| 23:10.24 | grendal_prime | it was the hardest thing i have ever done |
| 23:10.31 | grendal_prime | took almost a year. |
| 23:10.35 | ryan` | It scares me enough to _drive_ in adverse weather. |
| 23:10.45 | kspath | grendal_prime: I assume those prices were prop planes and not jets. |
| 23:10.58 | ryan` | then again, there's less to hit up in the air. |
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| 23:11.15 | kspath | ryan`: Depends on where the air is located. |
| 23:11.19 | grendal_prime | ya kspath 4 and 6 cylinder prop driven, most planes are prop driven |
| 23:11.26 | Teolupus | Blissex: I'd be very thankfull!!! Online resizing ext3 is a dream |
| 23:11.32 | ryan` | kspath, heh. |
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| 23:12.03 | brenden12822 | what does "could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 resource temporarily unavailable) mean? |
| 23:12.30 | setog3 | can someone help me to find a soft to comunicate with micro without gui (for a machine without X) |
| 23:12.33 | grendal_prime | ryan the bigger problem is that you can only stay up so long and you have to plan things so that there is a specific thing under you when you come down...(an airstrip) |
| 23:12.36 | Coweater | brenden12822: usually you have some package tool running |
| 23:12.37 | Blissex | Teolupus: the magic thing is to use the 'ext2online' utility from 'ext2resize' RPM. |
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| 23:12.51 | kspath | ryan`: You do not have to hit something to get hurt FYI. Stay far away from jets if you can. check your plane well before take off. Avoid ice... |
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| 23:13.06 | Teolupus | Blissex: RPM???? |
| 23:13.17 | setog3 | voip without gui no ? |
| 23:13.29 | signature16 | Coweater: how do i get back into the package tool or remove the process? |
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| 23:13.54 | kspath | ryan`: Strong unknown/unplanned for head winds can wreck your day. |
| 23:14.06 | Blissex | Teolupus: http://www.redhat.com/archives/ext3-users/2004-December/msg00022.html |
| 23:14.41 | kspath | ryan`: fog and night can kill you also. |
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| 23:15.51 | Kopmon | Hello, anyone knows if debian runs on Toshiba Satellite M70-165? I've tried searching on webpages such as linux-on-laptops and on the suport reference on the toshiba webpage about linux but have found nothing. Thank you. |
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| 23:16.35 | Teolupus | Blisssex: I wonder if its safe to do it with ext3.... It seems kind of experimental to me yet! What about using jfs? |
| 23:17.07 | jlamr | Hi all , I'm trying to ftp to my debian box but the client keeps saying 'waiting for welcome message' and never resolves. Any ideas? |
| 23:17.11 | Teolupus | Sombody knows about problems with JFS? Corrupted file systems? Something like what happens with reiserfs???? |
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| 23:17.39 | Blissex | Teolupus: it is a bit experimental, but I think RHEL and CentOS have it so it is probably safe. I had forgotten about the kernel patch, but I think recent 2.6.x kernel include it. |
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| 23:18.04 | Blissex | Teolupus: I have been using JFS for a while and it is pretty reliable. I follow the mailing list and there are very few complaints. |
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| 23:18.14 | signature16 | how do i get rid of a lock on apt? im getting error "could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock" |
| 23:18.30 | Blissex | signature16: 'rm' that file. |
| 23:18.42 | signature16 | Blissex: will that also kill the apt process? |
| 23:18.49 | Teolupus | Blissex: RHEL has it but don't install by default.... so I dont think its a safe choice |
| 23:18.51 | Blissex | Teolupus: however, the full story on 'ext3' online resize is here: http://ext2resize.sourceforge.net/online.html |
| 23:19.08 | Blissex | signature16: no, that will just remove the lock. |
| 23:19.30 | ryan` | kspath: yeah, I can imagine. |
| 23:19.37 | signature16 | Blissex: how do i kill the apt process? i get an error: "dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run dpk --configure -a to correct the problem" |
| 23:20.10 | Blissex | signature16: well, you find the APT frontend process id and kill it. But thats a DPKG problem not an APT one. |
| 23:20.19 | Teolupus | Blissex: I think I'll go with JFS..... long time since I don't try it |
| 23:20.22 | Blissex | signature16: as to that just follow the advice. |
| 23:21.42 | Blissex | Teolupus: BTW ia have done some fairly extensive testing of various filesystems, most the entries are in this section of my blog: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/anno05-3rd.html but also in newer ones. |
| 23:22.16 | signature16 | does ctrl+z and ctrl+c do the same thing? |
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| 23:22.36 | Blissex | signature16: not even remotely. |
| 23:22.47 | signature16 | Blissex: what is the difference? |
| 23:22.54 | Blissex | signature16: CTRL-Z _suspends_ a process, and CTRL-C _terminates_ it. |
| 23:23.14 | Blissex | signature16: (approximately) |
| 23:23.25 | signature16 | Blissex: how do i bring a suspened process back up? |
| 23:23.40 | kspath | fg |
| 23:23.48 | asg | signature16: or kill -CONT <pid> |
| 23:24.07 | Blissex | signature16: if it was suspended in the shell, 'bg' to restart it in the background, 'fg' to restart it in the foreground, or 'kill/killal l -CONT ....' |
| 23:24.15 | Blissex | signature16: if it was suspended in the shell, 'bg' to restart it in the background, 'fg' to restart it in the foreground, or 'kill/killal -l CONT ....' |
| 23:24.20 | Blissex | signature16: if it was suspended in the shell, 'bg' to restart it in the background, 'fg' to restart it in the foreground, or 'kill/killall -l CONT ....' |
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| 23:24.31 | Babbelaar | DirectoryIndex index.html index.cgi index.pl index.php index.xhtml |
| 23:24.31 | Babbelaar | what do i need to make this to enable directoryindexing? |
| 23:24.35 | Buddha| | What's the best way to remove everything KDE-related? |
| 23:24.36 | Babbelaar | DirectoryIndex index.html index.cgi index.pl index.php index.xhtml |
| 23:24.49 | kspath | Blissex: no problem. maybe someone will learn something or other... |
| 23:24.52 | Babbelaar | the apocalypse |
| 23:24.56 | Blissex | Buddha|: sacrilege! |
| 23:25.15 | Buddha| | Blissex - indeed. that's why I asked. ^_^ |
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| 23:28.07 | Blissex | Buddha|: «best way to remove everything KDE-related?» is a bit too ambitious. From the Universe or just your disk? :-) |
| 23:28.28 | Blissex | Babbelaar: thats really a FAQ and/or a question for #Apache |
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| 23:29.02 | Ollie | how do i run maketorrent from the a shell? |
| 23:29.09 | Aghaster | hi, i'd like to know if there is a way to read windows media player videos on debian |
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| 23:29.31 | _X-Treme | how to prevent debian from autmatically starting X on boot ? |
| 23:29.43 | azeem | !nodm |
| 23:29.43 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 23:29.46 | Ollie | sorry wrong channel |
| 23:29.59 | Blissex | _X-Treme: well, you set '/etc/X11/default-window-manager' to "none" |
| 23:30.15 | EmeraldCat | Aghaster: *.wmv ? |
| 23:30.19 | Aghaster | yeah |
| 23:30.25 | Buddha| | Blissex - just from my disk |
| 23:30.28 | Aghaster | i cannot watch a movie trailer as its only in this format :( |
| 23:31.38 | Blissex | Aghaster: you can find on some shady/dodgy website a '.deb' with the W32 codecs, and use them in MPlayer or XINE. |
| 23:32.02 | Aghaster | is it possible to have a firefox plugin to read it? |
| 23:32.13 | _X-Treme | thanks |
| 23:32.18 | EmeraldCat | Aghaster: try `Xine': http://xinehq.de/ |
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| 23:32.31 | Aghaster | thanks, i'll give it a try |
| 23:32.33 | jugglinx | Aghaster, search for marillat |
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| 23:32.38 | L33TrDaNu | Is killproc not available on debian? |
| 23:32.41 | Aghaster | i note this too |
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| 23:32.57 | emergo | anyone here set up port forwarding to a zyxel660RU-T3 adsl2 router ? |
| 23:33.00 | jazbo | Aghaster, if your talking about wmv's then google essentials codec |
| 23:33.13 | Keefe | I am having a problem running freeciv |
| 23:33.14 | EmeraldCat | There should be a `Xine' .deb package, no? |
| 23:33.30 | Keefe | when I try to connect to a network game the screen freezes |
| 23:33.46 | jazbo | Aghaster, I recall I'll I had to do was untar some files into a certain directory and then I could view wmv's with xine |
| 23:34.00 | Aghaster | what about a firefox plugin? |
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| 23:34.52 | jazbo | Aghaster, if you use konqueror you could view with mplayer inside konqueror I think |
| 23:35.08 | Aghaster | i don't use konqueror |
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| 23:35.28 | solitude | hi |
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| 23:36.07 | jazbo | Aghaster, here are the codecs: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/releases/codecs/essential-20050412.tar.bz2 |
| 23:36.13 | Teolupus | wow.... what is the EVMS module for debian installer??? |
| 23:36.16 | Aghaster | thanks |
| 23:36.45 | solitude | can i modify the size of cache under epiphany ? |
| 23:37.23 | jazbo | Aghaster, if you unpack there should be a README or something that will tell you where to put the files. I think the location is different depending on if you want to use xine or mplayer. (I like xine myself) |
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| 23:37.49 | Aghaster | i'll have to try xine or mplayer first. thanks a lot |
| 23:37.54 | jazbo | np |
| 23:38.09 | jazbo | I've only had to do it myself about 4 times now... ;) |
| 23:38.57 | solitude | ? |
| 23:39.50 | EmeraldCat | solitude: hold on... |
| 23:39.51 | Ollie | how can I check which version of a program I am using which i download with apt-get |
| 23:40.05 | clem_yeats | Hi. If I do a testing-netinstall, or if I download the stable sarge 3.1 and then upgrade to etch through a apt-get upgrade.. will I get the same result ? |
| 23:40.25 | clem_yeats | testing-netinstall is probably faster isn't it ? |
| 23:40.57 | clem_yeats | Ollie : aptitude show packagename |
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| 23:41.45 | weedar | I've set up iptables to accept everything, yet still pings from the LAN are stuck on their way back in the gateway. Meaning they reach their target and the gateway gets replies, but doesn't forward them to the LAN. Any ideas what gives? |
| 23:42.00 | solitude | EmeraldCat, what ? (sorry i'm french and i speak very bad english) |
| 23:42.14 | solitude | you understand my question ? |
| 23:42.22 | clem_yeats | solitude : hold on = wait.. |
| 23:42.33 | solitude | ah ok |
| 23:42.40 | okie | well am an american and speak no french |
| 23:42.42 | Ollie | clem_yeats, nice one |
| 23:42.44 | EmeraldCat | solitude: yes, I understood your question, I am looking for that info on Google now... |
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| 23:42.57 | _X-Treme | hmm. how to mark package kernel-image to hold future upgrades |
| 23:43.47 | weedar | I've followed the proxy-howto on http://www.aboutdebian.com/proxy.htm if that has anything to do with it =) Also I checked "route" so that should be fine |
| 23:44.04 | solitude | i looking for on google but i nothing found :/ |
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| 23:47.12 | clem_yeats | shall I do a netinstall of Testing so ? |
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| 23:48.06 | omry | I am trying to install ati drivers from flavio's page on etch. after I install them, I don't have fglrx when reconfiguring xorg. any idea? |
| 23:48.08 | clem_yeats | what's etch beta 1 and beta 2 exactly ?? are we in code freeze ??? |
| 23:48.16 | EmeraldCat | solitude: Does Epiphany have some sort of a Configuration Screen (or Options settings) where you can set the size of the cache? (Maybe under the `Tools' menu?) |
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| 23:49.10 | Lori | hey |
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| 23:49.52 | Lori | I don't receive any new messages in /var/log/messages anymore |
| 23:49.59 | Lori | I found out that my hd was full |
| 23:50.20 | Lori | so I deleted some files but still there are no messages in this file |
| 23:50.27 | abrotman | did you restart syslog ? |
| 23:50.33 | Lori | other log files like 'localmessages' do work |
| 23:50.45 | Lori | will try right now |
| 23:51.16 | EmeraldCat | solitude: You can also press the `F1' key while under Epiphany to get a help screen. Maybe that will contain some information on how to change the size of the cache. |
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| 23:52.00 | solitude | ahattar, its good, i am found, thanks lot ;) |
| 23:52.00 | abrotman | Lori: or at least SIGHUP |
| 23:52.20 | Lori | alright thx abrotman, this did the job :) |
| 23:52.35 | abrotman | yay! |
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| 23:53.21 | EmeraldCat | solitude: Sure thing. |
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| 23:53.28 | Lori | abrotman, come over to my house and I'll invite to a beer for this ;) |
| 23:53.52 | solitude | yes |
| 23:54.01 | solitude | :) |
| 23:54.24 | jml6 | hey i just install xscreensaver and the daemon does not start up automatically in etch. after running xscreensaver-demo it starts the service, but how can I get it to do so at startup? |
| 23:54.31 | abrotman | Lori: philly? |
| 23:54.41 | abrotman | guess not |
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| 23:58.30 | EmeraldCat | jml6: `etch' = new Debian testing release? |
| 23:58.47 | solitude | yes |
| 23:58.47 | jml6 | yes, testing |
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| 23:59.45 | clem_yeats | will the testing netinstall detect my wifi card ? (intel pro wireless 2200) |
| 23:59.51 | abrotman | EmeraldCat: it has not yet been released |
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| 23:59.55 | abrotman | clem_yeats: with extra work yes |
| 23:59.58 | abrotman | !ipw2200 |
| 23:59.58 | dpkg | ipw2200 is a wireless driver for intel wireless cards, to install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200. you will need module-assistant, build-essential and kernel-headers-$(uname -r) packages installed, and you will need contrib sources, ask me about <contrib>. Download and install firmware as you are told during the install. http://ipw2200.sf.net, or for help go to #ipw2200, or ipw2200-source will only compile on a 2.6 kernel |
| 23:59.58 | Andy298 | how can i automatically store some data in an archive (from cron)? |
