| 00:00.03 | kbrooks | OK |
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| 00:00.17 | EmeraldCat | jml6: Are you using some sort of a desktop manager? |
| 00:00.18 | ShadeS | Hi guys |
| 00:00.26 | kbrooks | why isn't this channel #ubuntu ? can i ask about apt-get here? |
| 00:00.30 | ShadeS | does anyone know if there is an Open Source alternative to microsofts onenote?? |
| 00:00.34 | jml6 | EmeraldCat, xfce4 |
| 00:00.40 | kbrooks | can i ask about synaptic here? |
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| 00:00.45 | clem_yeats | so I'd better install first, then set my wifi card... |
| 00:00.52 | clem_yeats | ok |
| 00:00.57 | Blissex | ShadeS: something like Wikis? |
| 00:01.03 | kbrooks | can i ask abouat the debianized version of firefox? |
| 00:01.05 | ShadeS | I don'tknow what wikis is |
| 00:01.08 | ShadeS | I know of wikipedia |
| 00:01.12 | kbrooks | CAN I ASK ABOUT YOU? |
| 00:01.19 | MrRexxie | er, newbie question: which runlevel should I start apache at? 5? |
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| 00:01.25 | Blissex | ShadeS: Wikipedia runs on a wikmi. |
| 00:01.32 | abrotman | what an impatient twit |
| 00:01.34 | ShadeS | er> |
| 00:01.39 | ShadeS | s/>/? |
| 00:01.40 | Blissex | MrRexxie: trditionally #3 |
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| 00:01.55 | ShadeS | I'm trying to get an application that will function as a notebook, you know, those analoge ones |
| 00:01.56 | clem_yeats | me ? |
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| 00:02.16 | abrotman | ShadeS: you mean like a scratch pad ? |
| 00:02.30 | Blissex | ShadeS: well, a Wiki works like a (hyperlinked) notebook. |
| 00:02.33 | ShadeS | kind of, except one note works on the function that it's always in a 'save state' |
| 00:02.43 | Andy298 | how can i automatically store some data in an archive (from cron)? |
| 00:02.46 | ShadeS | when ever you write somethingit's auto saved, so when you close the application and reload it whatever was there, is there |
| 00:02.55 | abrotman | Andy298: you write a script ... and run that script |
| 00:02.57 | ShadeS | can i get a url for that? |
| 00:03.00 | EmeraldCat | jml6: oh, ok. Look here http://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/man1.html (towards the bottom of the manual) for how to configure xscreensaver so that it runs when X starts up. |
| 00:03.06 | clem_yeats | andy298 : use tar.. |
| 00:03.12 | ShadeS | the main thing keeping linux off this tablet are thetablet features/software |
| 00:03.23 | Andy298 | ok so how do i go about writting the script - any tutorials? |
| 00:03.32 | Blissex | ShadeS: there are lots of intros to Wikis and how they work but they require explicit saving. |
| 00:03.33 | abrotman | Andy298: ask #bash for a bash tutorial |
| 00:03.41 | abrotman | Andy298: or for scripting in general |
| 00:03.43 | clem_yeats | Andy298 : man cron; man tar; man gzip |
| 00:03.52 | ShadeS | what's wikis homepage? |
| 00:04.07 | Blissex | Andy298: but you can easily use a single line 'zip -u /.../archive.zip /..../file |
| 00:04.22 | abrotman | you guys take all the fun out of scripting |
| 00:04.24 | Blissex | ShadeS: the homepage of all Wiki tech is C2.com |
| 00:04.29 | clem_yeats | lol |
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| 00:04.43 | clem_yeats | man perl then... |
| 00:04.53 | ShadeS | thanksw |
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| 00:05.11 | Blissex | ShadeS: but for a classic and fairly elegant Wiki look at TWiki.org |
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| 00:05.29 | EmeraldCat | MrRexxie: apache (a web server) does not require a graphical environment. Thus you don't have to r............. |
| 00:05.36 | EmeraldCat | ahhhhhhh! He left.... |
| 00:05.41 | EmeraldCat | I hate that. |
| 00:05.46 | Blissex | ShadeS: note also that there are open source implementations of thinks like ''sticky notes'' on the screen. For example there is a nice one for KDE. |
| 00:06.21 | ShadeS | not sticky noes, that's rather a kind of .. quick note taking application for later reminding |
| 00:06.27 | ShadeS | I'm looking for long term storage of my calculus notes |
| 00:06.33 | ShadeS | tens of pages of stuff |
| 00:06.49 | Blissex | ShadeS: thats nothing... |
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| 00:07.23 | ShadeS | what do you mean? |
| 00:07.26 | abrotman | ShadeS: so you really want a free write pad .. not a text editor right ? |
| 00:07.36 | ShadeS | yes |
| 00:07.42 | ShadeS | vi is for text editing, ;) |
| 00:07.51 | Blissex | ShadeS: half decent ''sticky notes'' programs can handle thousands... |
| 00:08.13 | ShadeS | microsofts 'sticky note' or whatever, is just a postit on the desktop |
| 00:08.20 | ShadeS | i'm looking for a full screen solution |
| 00:08.30 | ShadeS | but thatis probably what you're talking about |
| 00:08.32 | Blissex | ShadeS: have a look here: http://macrolinz.com/macrolinz/index.php/2006/01/27/stiki-pad/ |
| 00:08.32 | clem_yeats | paint ?? |
| 00:08.33 | clem_yeats | lol |
| 00:08.41 | abrotman | ShadeS: i've seen it .. but can't remember :) |
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| 00:09.02 | sp3000 | ShadeS: tomboy? |
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| 00:09.33 | ShadeS | clem_yeats, well onenote has this nice feature to be able to convert handwritting to text |
| 00:09.35 | jlamr | Can anyone tell me how to check howmuch space I have left on my hard drive? |
| 00:09.38 | ShadeS | gimp and all that wont' do that, I don't think |
| 00:09.42 | vmx | is there a way to find out which package set a specific symlink? |
| 00:09.42 | mbishop | df |
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| 00:10.18 | jlamr | mbishop: thanks |
| 00:10.41 | Blissex | some ex Lotus Notes people do something called "Chandler" |
| 00:11.06 | ShadeS | isn't lotus been in the grave for a while? |
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| 00:11.11 | ShadeS | *hasn't |
| 00:11.14 | Blissex | ShadeS: more discussion here: http://www.hyperorg.com/blogger/mtarchive/002956.html |
| 00:11.46 | clem_yeats | that's for tactile screens, tablet pcs and pda is it ? |
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| 00:11.53 | Z_Man | hmm |
| 00:12.08 | clem_yeats | or maybe you have one of these drawing peripherals.. |
| 00:12.18 | Z_Man | should ssh let me in if i type my password + more extra characters as my root password? |
| 00:12.21 | jml6 | EmeraldCat, thanks, im gonna restart this thing and see if that does the trick. |
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| 00:12.46 | ShadeS | I have a tablet pc |
| 00:12.47 | EmeraldCat | jml6: Sure no problem. I hope it works out well for you. |
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| 00:12.58 | Ashex | anyone have experience doing a network install of debian? |
| 00:13.03 | Z_Man | Ashex |
| 00:13.04 | Z_Man | i do |
| 00:13.07 | Ashex | like using one computer to host the repository |
| 00:13.07 | ShadeS | althought the tablet drivers were reversed engineered by someone who did wacaom tablet stuff |
| 00:13.14 | sajba | how can i decompress with p7zip an archive that starts with 00.rar and ends with 88.rar ? |
| 00:13.17 | clem_yeats | ah.. my netinstall iso is ready. Time for me to go back to Debian... (currently using Kubuntu). See you later everybody. |
| 00:13.27 | Ashex | Z_Man: how did you go about it? |
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| 00:13.52 | abrotman | tarzeau: http://www.gscore.org/index.html |
| 00:13.53 | clem_yeats | sajba : ??.rar ... I think. need to go, bye. |
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| 00:13.56 | Ashex | did you download the repositories for your architecture to one computer then turn it into one? |
| 00:14.14 | clem_yeats | or a loop in a script sajba.. |
| 00:14.22 | mbishop | er |
| 00:14.59 | sajba | clem_yeats: ? isnt there just a simple command ? |
| 00:15.00 | mbishop | rar files that are split into many pieces usually have one main rar file, use unrar to unrar it, and it will unrar all the pieces, and remake the data |
| 00:15.03 | Z_Man | Ashex: downloaded and burned the netinstall cd, booted, then just like a regular install until reboot and then it boots in debian's base system and netinstalled the rest of the packages, (hmm now that i think about it that might be how suse did it...) |
| 00:15.23 | Z_Man | does it install base packages from the net? |
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| 00:15.31 | clem_yeats | sajba : well... you can write the loop on a single line but it won't look nice :) |
| 00:15.31 | sajba | okey |
| 00:15.37 | Ashex | ah |
| 00:15.43 | Z_Man | Ashex, are you having trouble with it? |
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| 00:15.54 | Ashex | What I want to do is setup one computer to host all the files that are usually downloaded |
| 00:15.54 | okie | q |
| 00:15.56 | bkudria | I am trying to access my usb scanner, which worked before...now, when i plug it in, it does not appear under 'lsub', and i only see '[kernel] usb 1-2.2: new full speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8' in the logs. I'm using a custom-compiled kernel 2.6.14 with the latest sid...what could be wrong? |
| 00:16.05 | Ashex | so that way I can take my laptop to a lab and install Debian to multiple computers from it |
| 00:16.07 | clem_yeats | need to go. see you all. bye. |
| 00:16.21 | Z_Man | hey does anyone know if ssh should let me in if i type my password + more extra characters as my root password? |
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| 00:16.54 | bkudria | Z_Man, err, no, you need to type your password exactly |
| 00:17.04 | bkudria | Z_Man, wait, what? |
| 00:17.22 | Aghaster | hum? why should it accept a password that isn't? |
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| 00:17.32 | Z_Man | ok, say my password is "food", if type in "food666" it still accepts it |
| 00:17.40 | Z_Man | that's what happens |
| 00:17.40 | sajba | mbishop:what program do i need to use unrar? apt-get doesnt find unrar |
| 00:17.44 | Z_Man | just with a different password |
| 00:18.11 | bkudria | Z_Man, very strange...file a bug? |
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| 00:18.18 | mbishop | sajba: there is unrar-free and unrar |
| 00:18.19 | Z_Man | you wanna try and see? |
| 00:18.21 | bkudria | Z_Man, seems like a security hole... |
| 00:18.27 | bkudria | Z_Man, no need... :) |
| 00:18.46 | Coweater | Z_Man: how many characters is your password? |
| 00:18.48 | Z_Man | bkurdria, yeah it does.. i also heard something like this happened with OS X a while back ago |
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| 00:19.04 | Z_Man | 8 characters alpha-numeric |
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| 00:19.25 | Z_Man | oh my bad |
| 00:19.27 | Z_Man | alpha |
| 00:19.29 | ShadeS | well thanks for the input |
| 00:19.33 | vmx | how can a bug be reopened? |
| 00:19.35 | ShadeS | i'll take a look at that stuff later |
| 00:19.35 | Z_Man | lol |
| 00:19.40 | Coweater | what if you try a shorter pass? like 4 chars, does it still work? ie food/food666 |
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| 00:20.02 | Z_Man | where can i file a bug? |
| 00:20.10 | mbishop | pretty sure that ssh 'bug' is old |
| 00:20.35 | Z_Man | mbishop me too |
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| 00:20.50 | Z_Man | but i installed from the elive cd |
| 00:20.57 | Z_Man | www.elivecd.org or whatever |
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| 00:21.38 | sajba | mbishop: I cant find unrar or unrar-free with apt-cache search ? must i download it? isnt there any other easier way? |
| 00:21.47 | EmeraldCat | sajba: Use RAR 3.51 for Linux to `unrar' files. Download that archive from here: http://www.rarlab.com/download.htm |
| 00:21.58 | Coweater | ACK |
| 00:22.12 | jetscreamer | !find rar |
| 00:22.44 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'rar' (8 of 61): (/sbin/rarp) in net/net-tools ;; (/etc/init.d/rarpd) in net/rarpd ;; (/etc/maradns/mararc) in net/maradns ;; (/usr/bin/rarpwatch) in net/argus-client ;; (/usr/bin/unrar) in non-free/utils/unrar ;; (/usr/bin/unrar-free) in utils/unrar-free ;; (/etc/kde3/libkleopatrarc) in libs/libkleopatra1 ;; (/usr/include/FTGL/FTLibrary.h) in devel/ftgl-dev. |
| 00:23.05 | Coweater | unrar-free is in unstable, dunno about a backport |
| 00:23.27 | jetscreamer | !info rar sarge |
| 00:23.30 | dpkg | rar: (Archiver for .rar files), section non-free/utils, is optional. Version: 3.30-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 239 kB, Installed size: 419 kB |
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| 00:23.58 | EmeraldCat | jetscreamer: does that unrar as well? |
| 00:24.08 | jetscreamer | rar -x yes |
| 00:24.20 | jetscreamer | !find unrar sarge |
| 00:24.22 | dpkg | unrar: (Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version)), section non-free/utils, is optional. Version: 1:3.5.2-0.1 (sarge), Packaged size: 85 kB, Installed size: 216 kB |
| 00:24.33 | EmeraldCat | oh, ok. sajba: use that then. |
| 00:24.41 | jetscreamer | why they have both when you have rar -x i never figured out |
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| 00:24.47 | bkudria | I am trying to access my usb scanner, which worked before...now, when i plug it in, it does not appear under 'lsub', and i only see '[kernel] usb 1-2.2: new full speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8' in the logs. I'm using a custom-compiled kernel 2.6.14 with the latest sid...what could be wrong? |
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| 00:25.04 | Diazepam | anyone assist with a unison problem. keep on getting this message when trying to copy files over. |
| 00:25.06 | Diazepam | [BGN] Copying unison-manual_files |
| 00:25.06 | Diazepam | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:25.06 | Diazepam | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:25.07 | emergo | how do I set static ip ? |
| 00:25.11 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 00:25.12 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 00:25.29 | jetscreamer | edit /etc/network/interfaces iirc emergo |
| 00:25.39 | jetscreamer | man interfaces i think |
| 00:25.39 | bkudria | emergo, man interfaces |
| 00:25.43 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 00:25.44 | bkudria | :) |
| 00:26.04 | jetscreamer | but it's only like 3 or 5 lines you need |
| 00:26.08 | jetscreamer | short ones |
| 00:26.29 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:26.34 | jetscreamer | nah, shorter |
| 00:26.35 | Sonny | can you tell me why I dont hear the sounds of my amsn? |
| 00:26.49 | emergo | bkudria: I edited /etc/init.d/networking but got some message, /etc/network/options is deprecated. |
| 00:27.03 | jetscreamer | no you don't edit in init.d |
| 00:27.08 | jetscreamer | that's the startup script |
| 00:27.13 | jetscreamer | and shutdown or so |
| 00:27.16 | emergo | SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable |
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| 00:27.31 | jetscreamer | put it back like it was |
| 00:27.43 | jetscreamer | restore that backup you made before you started doing things |
| 00:28.14 | jetscreamer | unless of course you know what you're doing |
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| 00:28.45 | bkudria | emergo, don't edit /etc/init.d for options...edit /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 00:29.26 | emergo | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:29.37 | jetscreamer | hey nobody tell him where inittab is :) |
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| 00:30.35 | emergo | bkudria: sorry I pasted worn , vim /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 00:31.00 | jetscreamer | you can't say that word either eh |
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| 00:31.49 | disposable | is there a tool in debian like MS Visio for drawing a <network topology | network layout diagram>? |
| 00:31.55 | jetscreamer | dia |
| 00:32.06 | jetscreamer | also gnome-dia |
| 00:32.13 | jetscreamer | !info dia |
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| 00:32.16 | dpkg | dia: (Diagram editor), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.94.0-17.1 (sid), Packaged size: 179 kB, Installed size: 488 kB |
| 00:32.18 | bkudria | there is also openoffice draw |
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| 00:33.02 | _pygmalion_ | is there an unstable version of privoxy for amd64? |
| 00:33.02 | disposable | jetscreamer: i started dia, but it is way too simple, just rectangles, lines.... is gnome-dia different? |
| 00:33.12 | emergo | bkudria: this is the bad one I guessSIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable |
| 00:33.15 | useruser | disposable: maybe inkscape can do it |
| 00:33.21 | sparr | ive got a game that eats cpu cycles even at nice +19, what other methods are there to slow it down some so other programs respond better? |
| 00:33.37 | disposable | useruser: i'm saving gimp as my last resort |
| 00:33.41 | Sonny | is your thunderbird working good? |
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| 00:33.43 | jetscreamer | ooo i never touched dia before... it's cool |
| 00:33.45 | wwallace_lap | hello to all |
| 00:33.53 | jetscreamer | uh probably not |
| 00:34.02 | wwallace_lap | abrotman: how the hell are u? |
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| 00:34.20 | bkudria | emergo, i really have no idea, netwroks can be thorny...that error could be anything |
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| 00:34.32 | useruser | disposable: i'd try inkscape as a penultimate resort - it's vector graphics based, so should be better than the gimp |
| 00:34.41 | abrotman | jetscreamer: where the hell have you been? |
| 00:34.43 | redrain | Hi, is there anybody know gnome-bluetooth source for sarge? |
| 00:34.45 | jetscreamer | abrotman is in a corner being punished... |
| 00:34.55 | jetscreamer | work abrotman, making money... |
| 00:35.09 | abrotman | jetscreamer: liar! |
| 00:35.26 | abrotman | !canadasmite dvs |
| 00:35.31 | jetscreamer | you're right. i worked, but didn't make money. i have to work for free just to keep my job |
| 00:35.32 | dvs | Doh! |
| 00:35.38 | dvs | No more caribou |
| 00:35.46 | jetscreamer | !canucksmite somtehing |
| 00:35.52 | disposable | jetscreamer: ooops, i've resized the dia window and it has more tools then i thought :) thanx |
| 00:35.55 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 00:36.30 | jetscreamer | ahh i didn't see those either |
| 00:36.49 | jetscreamer | i just heard abrotman say it was kickass :) |
| 00:36.51 | wwallace_lap | abrotman: dont say hi anymore? |
| 00:37.03 | abrotman | jetscreamer: dia? or being canadian? |
| 00:37.05 | jetscreamer | wwallace_lap: he did but thought it was me who said what you said i think |
| 00:37.19 | jetscreamer | dia... and i lied it was probably donde or siman |
| 00:37.33 | abrotman | jetscreamer: you should ignore him .. he's a known troll ... long on my ignore list |
| 00:37.40 | abrotman | jetscreamer: total kanotix fucktard |
| 00:37.47 | wwallace_lap | :) |
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| 00:37.59 | jetscreamer | i see him in a few channels, he doesn't seem to offend much |
| 00:38.02 | offff | following I have some rules (body, to header) etc... I have rules that he blocks annex etc... the problem is that I would not like that postfix verifies these rules in my local net. |
| 00:38.04 | wwallace_lap | i dont |
| 00:38.30 | abrotman | jetscreamer: he seemingly can't figure out a paper bag .. he's clearly been drinking the water in newark |
| 00:38.34 | wwallace_lap | ok whatever tell abrotman that i love him see ya guys |
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| 00:39.07 | jetscreamer | heh ... abrotman ... http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/team_display.php?teamid=124175 |
| 00:39.10 | abrotman | jetscreamer: i've asked the ops to ban him .. they don't .. he comes in here just for my benefit |
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| 00:39.31 | abrotman | jetscreamer: i'm sorry .. you're a wanker! |
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| 00:39.36 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 00:39.37 | solitude | good night |
| 00:39.53 | jetscreamer | imo it's the best livecd |
| 00:40.01 | jetscreamer | course there many i never saw |
| 00:40.02 | abrotman | may be .. but that doesn't stop the idiot from trolling here |
| 00:40.19 | Stevie | !troll |
| 00:40.20 | dpkg | methinks troll is http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/T/troll.html, or "one who is gaming the social dynamics of the list in order to warm his miniscule soul at the flames, not one who believes himself to be debating a point of significance (however ham-handedly)." (Michael K. Edwards) |
| 00:40.25 | Stevie | ahhh |
| 00:40.29 | Stevie | hm |
| 00:40.31 | Stevie | !start an editor war |
| 00:40.32 | dpkg | "cat >" is known to repel members of the opposite sex |
| 00:40.39 | Stevie | there |
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| 00:40.59 | jetscreamer | but women love cats... |
| 00:41.15 | jetscreamer | (yet another jetjoke) |
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| 00:41.36 | qiix | hey i am trying to install some wirelss drivers and it is telling me i need to have wireless extensions enabled ..... is this something i need to compil into the kernel ? or can i just do something in a config file somwhere ? |
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| 00:42.15 | emilio_quiron | it depends on your wireless card |
| 00:42.20 | jetscreamer | i don't know, but to add to your list... load a module in the kernel |
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| 00:42.31 | Sonny | hi, just for users: is your thunderbird working good? |
| 00:42.32 | abrotman | jetscreamer: your seti machine is almost as fast as ... my laptop :) |
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| 00:42.52 | vmx | may anyone want to confirm a bug in egroupware-core? |
| 00:42.57 | jetscreamer | abrotman: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=2222073 |
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| 00:43.11 | jetscreamer | you have a 4way lappy? |
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| 00:43.33 | pawdro | does anyone have problems with anjuta in etch? it doesn't start |
| 00:43.40 | emilio_quiron | Which kernel rev is running on your comp.? |
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| 00:43.57 | abrotman | jetscreamer: yes? :) |
| 00:44.02 | emilio_quiron | sonny, working like a charm.. |
| 00:44.04 | abrotman | jetscreamer: the other page only said 2.2Ghz |
| 00:44.04 | jetscreamer | coolio |
| 00:44.06 | unix_infidel | that's really odd firefox cant display images on news.bbc.co.uk. |
| 00:44.08 | unix_infidel | SUPER odd. |
| 00:44.09 | unix_infidel | 1 |
| 00:44.13 | unix_infidel | but konq can. |
| 00:44.14 | unix_infidel | ? |
| 00:44.23 | abrotman | jetscreamer: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/hosts_user.php?userid=8358228 .. that page |
| 00:44.54 | jetscreamer | abrotman: it's a vps server, shared with god knows how many ppl... it doesn't seem to actually get used much, resource wise |
| 00:45.13 | abrotman | jetscreamer: not running gentoo eh? :) |
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| 00:45.27 | stew | unix_infidel: are you sure you didn't "block images from bbc.co.uk.." it works here |
| 00:45.27 | jetscreamer | no they run rhel3 |
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| 00:46.25 | jetscreamer | i keep trying to find something to do with it, but seti is all i could think of |
| 00:46.37 | jetscreamer | bt would be a nono |
| 00:46.43 | jetscreamer | but tempting |
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| 00:47.01 | lcore | Which pseudo user account really need the /bin/bash shell. Which can be safely replaced by false or noshell? |
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| 00:47.52 | Stevie | lcore: almost no daemon accounts need a shell |
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| 00:50.08 | redblade | Hi, how do I install the newest Firefox? |
| 00:50.23 | redblade | Version 1,5,1 |
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| 00:50.59 | Blissex | redblade: you wait or you install it to somewhere like under '/usr/local' with its installer. |
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| 00:52.44 | bkudria | I am trying to access my usb scanner, which worked before...now, when i plug it in, it does not appear under 'lsub', and i only see '[kernel] usb 1-2.2: new full speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8' in the logs. I'm using a custom-compiled kernel 2.6.14 with the latest sid...what could be wrong? |
| 00:52.46 | linuxpoet | does debian stable use devds? |
| 00:52.48 | linuxpoet | err devfs? |
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| 00:53.11 | johhny_b | if i have a firewall on my router and behind that router i run a infected windows box is that box then comprimised? if i have all my port on stealth? |
| 00:53.26 | Sonny | I load my thunderdird 1.5.... but it doesnt load completely |
| 00:53.33 | Azar | are games packages "frozen" as well for Sarge? or do we get games added to that archives from time to time? |
| 00:54.04 | stew | Azar: they are treated no differently than other packages |
| 00:54.27 | Azar | thanks stew, at least I will not waste time to search for games anymore :) |
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| 00:58.03 | redblade | ANd anyone here use FrostWire? |
| 00:58.42 | astronut | is there an equivelent to acrobat? |
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| 00:59.22 | dvs | astronut: xpdf? |
| 00:59.33 | Sonny | do you know how can I create a new profile to my thunderbird? |
| 00:59.41 | astronut | dvs: acrobat, not acrobat reader |
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| 00:59.50 | dvs | oh sorry |
| 01:00.06 | linuxpoet | astronut: you can look at scribus |
| 01:00.14 | linuxpoet | which can give you some of the same functionality |
| 01:00.23 | faw | a |
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| 01:01.04 | astronut | linuxpoet: i need PDF stuff..like, merge two together, split pages, etc |
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| 01:02.06 | cafuego | `pdftk' is your friend. |
| 01:02.27 | cafuego | none of thuis gui nonsense. |
| 01:02.37 | Canna | can anyone point me in the right direction to compile the CS46xx module into my kernel |
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| 01:03.32 | redblade | where is the Konsole located? |
| 01:03.36 | dvs | Canna: What problem are you having? |
| 01:03.37 | cafuego | Canna: Isn't it in there already? |
| 01:03.41 | redblade | as in where under / |
| 01:03.44 | Canna | any kernel compilation howtod refer to /usr/src/linux |
| 01:03.52 | Canna | howtos* |
| 01:04.00 | cafuego | Canna: Thr precompiled kernels in sarge and later already contain it. |
| 01:04.00 | dvs | Canna: Did you get the source yet? |
| 01:04.15 | Canna | and yeah i thought it was there, but someone said that if it was there the sound would be working anyway?? |
| 01:04.28 | dvs | Canna: You have to load the module first. |
| 01:04.30 | cafuego | Canna: That someone was fully of shit, then. |
| 01:04.35 | astronut | hmm, looks like pdfjam might work |
| 01:04.38 | Canna | so then it contains it and i dont need to mess with the kernel but i do need it to load |
| 01:04.40 | cafuego | Canna: 'sudo modprobe snd-cs46xx' |
| 01:04.42 | stew | Canna: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 01:04.47 | astronut | or pdftk |
| 01:05.16 | Canna | 2.2.20-idepc i |
| 01:05.20 | dvs | Ouch! |
| 01:05.26 | dvs | Canna: You need an upgrade! |
| 01:05.28 | dvs | Badly! |
| 01:05.30 | Canna | yeah |
| 01:05.33 | stew | !idepci |
| 01:05.33 | dpkg | 2.2.20-idepci makes Baby Tux cry. apt-get install kernel-image-2.2.20 or kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686 or similar. You didn't read the final section of the install guide /msg dpkg install guide. Go read it before we laugh at you :) |
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| 01:05.39 | astronut | cool, pdftk looks like it will do it |
| 01:05.39 | Canna | the new disk wasnt workin |
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| 01:05.44 | stew | Canna: what version of debian are you running? |
| 01:05.44 | Canna | so i used an old 3.0 disk |
| 01:05.51 | dvs | Canna: You can still have 2.4.18 |
| 01:05.54 | Edgardoweb | www.entrecopas.com Debian??? |
| 01:05.56 | stew | Canna: what cpu do you have? |
| 01:06.02 | Canna | p3 700mhx |
| 01:06.04 | Canna | mhz |
| 01:06.20 | Canna | sorry if imnot answering everyones questions im trying |
| 01:06.20 | stew | Canna: apt-get install kernel-image-2.4-686 |
| 01:06.31 | worthy_ | hello. im learning bash scripting and im not clear what "$1" means. tell me? |
| 01:06.32 | Canna | k thanks |
| 01:06.32 | Ollie | is there a way that I can delete an alias that I have made? |
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| 01:06.40 | worthy_ | dang, where is my nic |
| 01:06.42 | Canna | should i do any other upgrades after that |
| 01:06.44 | stew | worthy_: its the first argument passed to the script |
| 01:06.48 | Canna | or is the kernal all i should worry about |
| 01:07.00 | Edgardoweb | www.entrecopas.com Debian??? |
| 01:07.02 | stew | worthy_: like if you executed "foo.sh a b c" $1 would be a |
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| 01:08.10 | worthy_ | oic something like (this argument (not this one(orthisone) )) |
| 01:08.12 | dvs | Canna: The kernel is the main thing |
| 01:08.15 | worthy_ | something like that huh |
| 01:08.35 | Canna | dvs: because i figure apt-get would keep things up to date or is that not so |
| 01:08.40 | worthy_ | ohhhh i see |
| 01:08.57 | dvs | Canna: woody is no longer updated (3.0) |
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| 01:09.07 | stew | Canna: are you going to run woody? or upgrade to sarge, if you want to upgrade to sarge, /msg dpkg woody->sarge ; then apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 01:09.12 | stew | dvs: that's incorrect |
| 01:09.13 | Canna | i got a network install disk off the debian site and it wouldnt work, itkept turning the screen red and refusing to install anything but the core |
| 01:09.25 | dvs | stew: It's still supported? Wow. |
| 01:09.42 | stew | dvs: not for long, but it still gets security updates |
| 01:09.45 | abrotman | dvs: it still gets security |
| 01:09.59 | edolly^ | . |
| 01:10.04 | edolly^ | ahhh |
| 01:10.06 | edolly^ | that's better |
| 01:10.19 | Canna | stew: i already did the kernel 2.4 so after that follow those instrcutions then do 2.6? |
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| 01:10.48 | dvs | Canna: You'll have to upgrade Debian to get 2.6 |
| 01:11.04 | mtgh | Does anyone know of a good tool to stress test a system. I really want something that will stress the hell out of a hard drive |
| 01:11.13 | useruser | mtgh: shred |
| 01:11.25 | stew | Canna: you should follow the instructions in /msg dpkg woody->sarge regardless, upgrading to 2.6 is not necessary |
| 01:11.35 | useruser | mtgh: or more seriously, bonnie++ or whatever it's called |
| 01:11.35 | Azar | Canna before upgrading make sure you install "aptitude" and use it in dist-upgrade |
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| 01:11.53 | edolly^ | so b and c would be $2 and $3? |
| 01:11.57 | edolly^ | automatically |
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| 01:12.33 | Canna | its saying im going to have to enable initrd on the bootloader |
| 01:12.40 | stew | Canna: yes, you will |
| 01:12.44 | devin | how do i list the audio device im using?? |
| 01:12.55 | Canna | i just have to add one line right? |
| 01:13.31 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 01:13.31 | Azar | Canna: when you upgrade the kernel you will get a prompt on waht to do about initrd in lilo before reboot |
| 01:13.31 | edolly^ | discover, i think Canna |
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| 01:13.31 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: RE: /topic .. are all the mirrors up to date now ? |
| 01:13.36 | Canna | whats discover? |
| 01:13.41 | abrotman | !discover |
| 01:13.41 | dpkg | well, discover is a hardware identification system based on the libdiscover1 library, or see hotplug |
| 01:13.43 | abrotman | bah |
| 01:13.54 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i know the one i use was fine .. but it is ftp.us.debian.org |
| 01:14.29 | edolly^ | abrotman am i allowed to go ! too? :-) |
| 01:14.37 | abrotman | edolly^: where? |
| 01:14.42 | edolly^ | lol |
| 01:14.43 | edolly^ | hahahah |
| 01:14.43 | abrotman | oh .. nm |
| 01:14.45 | edolly^ | here |
| 01:14.45 | Azar | Canna I installed woody then upgraded to Sarge and upgraded to 2.6.8 precompiled kernel, is easy. Just make sure you use aptitude all the way |
| 01:14.58 | Canna | ok, cool |
| 01:15.05 | edolly^ | can i? |
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| 01:15.08 | Canna | anyone know the line i need to add to my lilo conf for initrd |
| 01:15.24 | dvs | Azar: Get aptitude for woody from where? |
| 01:15.27 | Azar | Canna one sec... |
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| 01:15.34 | edolly^ | i tried to get deKorator for two weeks |
| 01:15.39 | edolly^ | i want that program sooooo bad |
| 01:15.42 | Azar | dvs from where I got it too: apt-get install aptitude |
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| 01:15.46 | edolly^ | it won't install right |
| 01:15.51 | dvs | Azar: for woody? |
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| 01:15.58 | edolly^ | i get docs and everything except the package |
| 01:16.03 | Priester | i have a problem with my new graphics adapter(nvidia Geforce6): in my recoverymodus i install the correct nvidia drivers via script from the nvidia-page, modprobe the nvidia module, i can even start X - but once i boot normally X will not start normally(on tty7) instead i get a dark screen and on tty1 when trying to start the X manually errormessage: XIO: fatal IO error 104 (connection reset by peer) on Xserver ":0.0" after 0 requests(0 |
| 01:16.19 | stew | dvs: it's the only supported tool for upgrading from woody to sarge |
| 01:16.33 | Canna | its saying that its doing ititrd for me, using symboliclinking, i still need to add it to lilo tho right? |
| 01:16.42 | dvs | stew: Yeah but where are you suppose to get it from if it isn't in woody? |
| 01:17.30 | stew | dvs: its in woody |
| 01:17.43 | Canna | in image=/vmlinuz it said to add a line but it scrolled away |
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| 01:18.13 | Azar | Canna pay attention here: when you install the new kernel you will be prompted with a warning about initrd. Do NOT stop the kernel installation, continue and if it asks if you let it create a symbolic link say YES. After kernel is installed - BEFORE REBOOT - edit your lilo by inserting: initrd=/initrd.img right below image=/vmlinuz. Save and run /sbin/lilo. Then reboot |
| 01:18.27 | dvs | stew: Oh. My mistake. I thought it didn't make it into Woody. |
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| 01:18.50 | Canna | k cool thanks azar i made the right choices then |
| 01:19.14 | Canna | but im in /etc/lilo.conf not in /sbin/lilo?????? |
| 01:19.40 | Azar | Canna, noooo :) you are ok. after you save lilo.conf run the command: /sbin/lilo |
| 01:19.55 | Canna | haha thanks |
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| 01:20.26 | Canna | does it matter if i indent that line? |
| 01:20.53 | Azar | ident how? insert it between other lines? it is ok |
| 01:20.57 | szczap | hi, has anyone had experience with debian and promise fasttrak tx4310 raid controller? |
| 01:21.00 | Canna | or is that all just to show you know.... i forgot the word |
| 01:21.08 | Canna | ok |
| 01:21.09 | dvs | Azar: indent to the right |
| 01:21.19 | Azar | dvs ah I see |
| 01:21.21 | Canna | yeah likea tab |
| 01:21.34 | Azar | well as long as it is not # commented is ok I guess |
| 01:21.35 | Canna | image=/vmlinuz |
| 01:21.35 | Canna | initrd=/initrd.img |
| 01:21.35 | Canna | label=Linux |
| 01:21.44 | Canna | the label=linux is tabbed |
| 01:21.48 | Canna | sorry bout the scroll |
| 01:21.52 | Azar | yes it looks ok |
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| 01:22.27 | Canna | ok.. added Linux * then Added LinuxOLD |
| 01:22.29 | Azar | I guess it will not be an issue if a C program uses tabs for more clear reading of functions |
| 01:22.35 | Canna | that normal? |
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| 01:22.50 | Azar | Canna, the /sbin/command will add the LinuxOld for you |
| 01:23.14 | qiix | hey i am trying to use modprobe to load a module and says it cant locate it ... eg .. modrobe wlan ...... i have this file too .. /lib/modules/2.4.27/net/wlan.o |
| 01:23.28 | qiix | :/ |
| 01:23.47 | Canna | i already ran /sbin/lilo so thats all right |
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| 01:23.56 | Canna | it added Linux * andlinuxOLD |
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| 01:24.22 | Canna | and in my sources.list file it doesnt wsay woody anywhere, only sarge once and the rest are stable |
| 01:24.33 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: I don't know; haven't checked it yet |
| 01:24.52 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: the only one i use is ftp.us.debian.org .. and it seemed fine |
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| 01:25.41 | Canna | i also got "Aptitude is already latest version" when i tried to install aptitude |
| 01:25.45 | emateja | hello debian friends. I am new to debian and need help. I have had trouble installing the base debain system (debian 3.1r1 i386 on dual P3 w/an adaptec AHA-2742 scsi card. I can recognize the card and format the partitions but recieve an error when installing the kernel) |
| 01:25.55 | Canna | so are you sure im woody not sarge?? |
| 01:26.05 | redblade | Hi, I want to install Firefox 1.5.1, and I have downloaded the package. |
| 01:26.05 | edolly^ | help :-( |
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| 01:26.13 | Azar | Canna you already run a sort of sarge then: Sarge==stable. It will be neat to set all your sources as /sarge anyways. Now you could add also non-free contrib at end of each source. apt-get install aptitude after that. Then aptitude update .... aptitude dist-upgrade. |
| 01:26.14 | edolly^ | what is $# |
| 01:26.21 | stew | Canna: you probably have a mix of the two, which is unhealthy |
| 01:26.25 | edolly^ | args=$# |
| 01:26.32 | redblade | So how do I do this? |
| 01:26.39 | abrotman | edolly^: man bash ? |
| 01:26.47 | Canna | a mix of woody and sarge? |
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| 01:26.50 | edolly^ | how would i man that |
| 01:26.52 | redblade | the older version is in the repos |
| 01:26.55 | edolly^ | oic |
| 01:26.56 | abrotman | edolly^: man bash |
| 01:27.00 | edolly^ | lol |
| 01:27.01 | edolly^ | sorry |
| 01:27.06 | Canna | Azar: aptitude is installed already |
| 01:27.09 | abrotman | redblade: package from where? |
| 01:27.10 | mansu | are there any working links to vim7 debs ? |
| 01:27.25 | Azar | Canna yes, you installed woody from the CD then the installation continued by apt getting sources for stable(Sarge) Now you have a warge |
| 01:27.26 | redblade | the website, abrotman |
| 01:27.55 | redblade | www.mozilla.com |
| 01:27.58 | Azar | Canna I have a warge too |
| 01:28.03 | Azar | :) |
| 01:28.05 | Canna | hahaha |
| 01:28.11 | Canna | so thats bad then tho right? |
| 01:28.29 | Canna | but i mean the new disk for the minimal install didnt work |
| 01:28.29 | stew | !bobbitt |
| 01:28.30 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
| 01:28.39 | Azar | Canna is ok as long as you do aptitude update / and aptitude dist-upgrade to finish the kill |
| 01:28.48 | Canna | hahaha |
| 01:29.02 | Canna | i did all of that they all did nothing |
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| 01:29.24 | emateja | is there anyone here that can help with a kernal installation error of woody? |
| 01:29.40 | stew | emateja: what kerenl? and what was the error? |
| 01:29.47 | emateja | hello debian friends. I am new to debian and need help. I have had trouble installing the base debain system (debian 3.1r1 i386 on dual P3 w/an adaptec AHA-2742 scsi card. I can recognize the card and format the partitions but recieve an error when installing the kernel) |
| 01:29.56 | Azar | Canna I conisider my warge as one of the most solid installations. Stability from woody with added functionality from Sarge |
| 01:30.03 | pdvh | join #flood |
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| 01:30.19 | Canna | so if all of those aptitude things return nothing then it means my install was fine right? |
| 01:30.31 | Canna | now all i should do is upgrade from 2.4 kernel to 2.6 right? |
| 01:30.33 | emateja | stew: it gets all the way through base intallation and fails at the kernel.... |
| 01:30.37 | Azar | Canna then you have a full healthy warge. Do not worry... unless you start using kde or gnome... |
| 01:30.41 | Priester | so if people that asked after i asked and get answers before me does that mean i will never get an answer ? |
| 01:30.53 | dvs | Canna: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 01:31.13 | Azar | Canna yes aptitude a 2.6.8 kernel for your cpu architecture |
| 01:31.36 | Canna | Azar: yes i use X, is that a problem |
| 01:31.53 | Azar | Canna I use X too..... but not kde or gnome |
| 01:32.01 | Canna | i use only kde and gnome |
| 01:32.09 | Canna | why there not stable enough? |
| 01:32.11 | Azar | :( bye then |
| 01:32.24 | emateja | stew: to be more clear kernel-image 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 01:32.27 | Azar | .. :) no is just I do not like having them on my box |
| 01:32.39 | Canna | haha |
| 01:32.50 | Canna | so there only unhealthy because you dont like them? |
| 01:32.58 | Canna | what X environment should i use then? |
| 01:33.07 | Azar | reason: I ran away from mswin I do not want to see icons anymore...that is my reason |
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| 01:33.24 | Azar | Canna I use openbox3 |
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| 01:33.35 | Canna | wait so should i use apt-get for the kernal upgrade or aptitude cause i dont know how to use aptitiude |
| 01:33.47 | Azar | is light simple and clean.. no icons just popup drop-down menu at mouse point |
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| 01:33.57 | Canna | ohh yeah ive seen that one |
| 01:33.59 | baikonur | hi |
| 01:34.02 | Canna | icons dont scare me much ;-) |
| 01:34.03 | stew | emateja: you can't run 2.6 kernels in woody, you need to upgrade to sarge |
| 01:34.13 | baikonur | why is openoffice.org-help part of contrib and not of main? |
| 01:34.21 | Azar | Canna same as apt-get; aptitude install <item> |
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| 01:35.22 | emateja | stew: what mirror is available for sarge? I used debian linked mirrors to US based sites to acquire debain 3.1r1. |
| 01:35.30 | Teolupus | Hi! Installation went ok here with ROOT on LVM on RAID... :D! I've got some errors of devfs on boot time complaining about the root partition (which could not be acessed since it is over LVM). I'm now recompiling the 2.6 kernel and removing the DEVFS support... this should take care of those errors!!! Thanks to everybody who helped on this!!! |
| 01:35.47 | Azar | Canna first search for your kernel: apt-cache search kernel-image look on the list for a 2.6.8 kernel-image for your cpu type. write it down then aptitude install kernel-image(foryourcpuhere) |
| 01:35.57 | Canna | dvs: i get 3.1 as my debian version |
| 01:36.06 | Teolupus | BTW: Any special reason why Debian does not come with SELINUX by default? |
| 01:36.09 | dvs | Canna: That's sarge all right |
| 01:36.11 | edolly^ | mmmm ummyyyyyy |
| 01:36.12 | stew | emateja: and you shouldn't install sarge packages on woody in the first place. are you really running woody (oldstable)? and not sarge (stable)? |
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| 01:36.22 | stew | emateja: sarge is 3.1 |
| 01:36.26 | edolly^ | sitting here programming, listening to my techno music and drinking remy |
| 01:36.31 | stew | emateja: what error are you getting? |
| 01:36.33 | goingtomoonbrb | I get this error when attempting to burn a DVD image with growisofs, and would like advice: |
| 01:36.42 | goingtomoonbrb | debian:/home/seraph/BT Files# growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvd=tftmononoke.img |
| 01:36.42 | goingtomoonbrb | Executing 'builtin_dd if=tftmononoke.img of=/dev/dvd obs=32k seek=0' |
| 01:36.42 | Canna | but now i still have the problem that cs46xx is not here? |
| 01:36.43 | goingtomoonbrb | :-( unable to O_EXCL /dev/dvd: someone was in time to remount? |
| 01:36.50 | Teolupus | edolly^: nice!..... |
| 01:37.03 | stew | Canna: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 01:37.11 | edolly^ | :-) |
| 01:37.15 | emateja | don't know how to tell... still new to debian. dowloaded the latest 2.6 kernal from the website guided mirrors. can you help me determine? I assumed it was woody. |
| 01:37.41 | Teolupus | can someone tell me why Debian Sarge does not comes with SELINUX enabled by default? any special reasons? |
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| 01:38.24 | Unity | hell, i was wondering is there a way to start a process, then stop it later, shut off my comp, and then continue it the next day? |
| 01:38.30 | Unity | s/hell/hello |
| 01:38.46 | edolly^ | what is selinux? |
| 01:38.53 | stew | Unity: no |
| 01:38.54 | dvs | !selinux |
| 01:38.54 | dpkg | hmm... selinux is NSA's port to Linux of the FLASK security Architectur, called Security Enhanced Linux. Also it can make your system unbootable if you uninstall it. http://selinux.sourceforge.net/distros/debian.php3 |
| 01:39.23 | Unity | stew: =( i needed to encode a video that would take 4 hours, and i'm going to sleep in two |
| 01:39.24 | stew | Teolupus: becuase by default, debian installs the bare minimum to get a working system |
| 01:39.27 | Teolupus | http://wiki.debian.org/SELinux |
| 01:39.36 | Teolupus | !selinux |
| 01:39.36 | dpkg | i guess selinux is NSA's port to Linux of the FLASK security Architectur, called Security Enhanced Linux. Also it can make your system unbootable if you uninstall it. http://selinux.sourceforge.net/distros/debian.php3 |
| 01:39.39 | edolly^ | thx |
| 01:39.42 | stew | Unity: your computer is probably not as tired as you and would be happy to stay up late and do it |
| 01:39.48 | Canna | stew: it still says 2.2.20 idepci |
| 01:39.50 | dvs | Canna: reboot!!!!! |
| 01:40.04 | Canna | ohh alright |
| 01:40.07 | Canna | shit |
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| 01:40.38 | Canna | aptitude is already upgrading to 2.6 |
| 01:40.48 | Canna | is this going to ruin things or can i just reboot after that |
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| 01:40.57 | qiix | any idea why when i use modprobe it says it cant locate the module |
| 01:41.16 | stew | qiix: did you add a third party module? did you compile the kernel youself? |
| 01:41.18 | dvs | Canna: It should be fine |
| 01:41.20 | Canna | and yeah thats what happened when i modprobed too |
| 01:41.20 | qiix | well i assume when i do modprobe wlan ... it is looking for wlan.o ? |
| 01:41.44 | qiix | stew ... i got the kernel source .. and the driver compiled and installed ok |
| 01:41.44 | emateja | stew: don't know how to tell... still new to debian. dowloaded the latest 2.6 kernal from the website guided mirrors. can you help me determine? I assumed it was woody. |
| 01:41.44 | Canna | this cs46xx thing is so annoying |
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| 01:41.54 | stew | Canna: make sure you leave your lilo.conf such that you can boot the working 2.2.20 (without in initrd) in case the newer kernel(s) dont work |
| 01:41.54 | abrotman | stew: you have a doc somewhere about the magic of gnome/udev/g-v-m ? |
| 01:42.12 | stew | abrotman: i've never install g-v-m, i'm working on getting ivman in debian instead |
| 01:42.16 | abrotman | oh |
| 01:42.18 | qiix | and slapped the files into /lib/modules/2.4.27/net/ |
| 01:42.26 | Canna | stew: how do i do that, i already added the initrd line? |
| 01:42.43 | stew | qiix: run "depmod -a", but why bother compiling your own kernels in the first place? |
| 01:42.52 | Canna | and also if the new kernel doesnt work the 2.2.20 is still there???? |
| 01:42.55 | qiix | said i had to |
| 01:43.10 | Azar | Canna you can #comment the initrd line and uncomment the LinuxOld |
| 01:43.22 | qiix | thank stew :) |
| 01:43.26 | qiix | thanks |
| 01:43.27 | stew | Canna: add another entry to lilo.conf that points directly to the /boot/vmlinuz-2.2.20-idepci (without an initrd) so that you'll have that one to fall back on |
| 01:43.32 | dvs | Canna: Or add a new section dedicated to 2.2.20 |
| 01:43.41 | Canna | Azar: linuxOLD and New are both uncommented |
| 01:43.51 | dvs | Canna: Do what stew says |
| 01:43.53 | Azar | Canna listen to dvs |
| 01:43.56 | Azar | or stew |
| 01:43.57 | stew | Canna: or switch to grub /msg dpkg lilo->grub |
| 01:44.05 | Canna | ohh ok |
| 01:44.10 | Canna | grub was driving me nuts |
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| 01:44.23 | Canna | forgot why tho |
| 01:45.13 | Kaishen | Hey all, I'm having a problem with KDE's display properties; It's not showing all the display modes of my monitor. |
| 01:45.22 | stew | Azar: a woody install kernel |
| 01:45.25 | dvs | Azar: default kernel for woody |
| 01:45.35 | Azar | ouch ouuuchhhhhh bad bad |
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| 01:46.11 | Azar | Id rather reinstall with bf24 warge... start clean |
| 01:46.33 | stew | what would be different? |
| 01:46.51 | Canna | ohh yeah also, is the support for my ATI radeon already in linux or will i have to add that as well if i have any somewhat intensive video stuff because my mplayer plugin for mozilla was unable to play any videos |
| 01:46.53 | Azar | yes I at least start with the right foot the 2.4.18 kernel |
| 01:47.04 | stew | Azar: both kernels were merely meant to get you far enough that you could apt-get a real kernel, the 2.2.20 did that job just fine |
| 01:47.06 | dvs | Canna: Depends on the model number |
| 01:47.24 | stew | Canna: which radeon chipset? |
| 01:47.25 | Canna | dvs: its not that new i got it for my birthday like 2 years ago |
| 01:47.34 | Azar | stew I remember 3 years ago first time I installed with 2.2 and it was pretty bad |
| 01:47.37 | dvs | Canna: Then you probably don't need ATI's drivers |
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| 01:47.45 | Canna | id have to look inside my box to see, lemme see if its light enough |
| 01:47.58 | dvs | Canna: lspic | grep VGA |
| 01:48.01 | dvs | Canna: lspci | grep VGA |
| 01:48.06 | stew | Azar: neither idepci nor bf24 were menat to be running past the install |
| 01:48.14 | emateja | Offering steaming cup of java for install help :) |
| 01:48.24 | Azar | stew, ah I see... |
| 01:48.43 | Canna | radeon 9000 64M |
| 01:48.56 | dvs | Canna: Oh yeah. kernel drivers are fine. |
| 01:49.09 | Canna | lcpic command not found dvs |
| 01:49.16 | stew | Canna: there is excellent support for that card in debian |
| 01:49.25 | Azar | Canna the second : lspci |
| 01:49.29 | Canna | cool |
| 01:49.34 | dvs | Canna: Nevermind. You know what it is. |
| 01:49.54 | Canna | 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV250 If [Radeon 9000] (rev 01) |
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| 01:50.16 | Canna | true, so even with my old/new version itll be ok |
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| 01:51.12 | Jerub | how do I configure what services start at boottime? |
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| 01:51.25 | Canna | ok, now if i can reboot sucessfully the next problemis getting sound to work |
| 01:51.27 | stew | Jerub: update-rc.d or rcconf |
| 01:51.32 | Jerub | stew: thanks. |
| 01:51.43 | stew | Canna: once you are running a 2.6 kernel, sound should be a piece of cake |
| 01:51.54 | Canna | question: could a lack of reboot after apt-get install mozilla-mplayer cause it to not work right? |
| 01:52.03 | Canna | ok cool |
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| 01:52.14 | stew | Canna: no, you should only need to reboot for kenrel changes and hardware changes |
| 01:52.16 | dvs | Canna: Cause sound not to work right? Nope. |
| 01:52.28 | Canna | no i mean mplayer |
| 01:52.31 | Canna | mplayer doesnt work |
| 01:52.32 | Teolupus | c ya |
| 01:52.34 | Canna | the plugin |
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| 01:52.44 | Canna | it buffers to 99% and freezes |
| 01:52.59 | dvs | Canna: Reboot into the new kernel first. |
| 01:53.07 | Canna | at 25% sometimes it says its gonna play the avi but then contines to buffer up to 99% then freeze |
| 01:53.08 | dvs | We'll worry about it later. |
| 01:53.16 | Canna | ok lemme see if its ready |
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| 01:55.27 | dvm1981 | Canna: Have you just installed the plugin? |
| 01:55.34 | dvs | dvm1981: he's gone |
| 01:55.48 | stew | i doubt it would be buffering if it weren't installed |
| 01:56.01 | dvm1981 | dvs: ok, going again to #Python, he is there normally |
| 01:56.03 | emateja | hmmm... how about a pat on the back for some install help? |
| 01:56.21 | stew | emateja: what error are you getting? |
| 01:56.22 | Unity | stew: i can't sleep over my fan though |
| 01:56.28 | Azar | Canna the sound applications and plugins will be tweaked later, after you make sure the kernel works. You will get alsa first, disable oss, enable alsa modules, then worry about player |
| 01:56.40 | dvs | Unity: That would be painful! ;-) |
| 01:56.57 | emateja | I get all the way to installing base system and get a generic error loading kernel 2.6 |
| 01:57.10 | emateja | on a fresh system |
| 01:57.13 | Azar | dvs? why? free haircut, multitasking: sleep+haircut at once |
| 01:57.27 | stew | emateja: it says "generic error loading kernel 2.6"? did you check the logs on ctrl-alt-f3? |
| 01:57.40 | stew | emateja: have you tried the 2.4 kenrel? |
| 01:57.57 | dvs | Azar: I'd get dizzy sleeping on a fan. |
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| 01:58.43 | dvs | Azar: I think you're right. |
| 01:58.47 | Azar | dvs.. hmm let's see the advantages: cooling fresh air, haircut, smooth steady sound to help sleep.. |
| 01:59.14 | emateja | stew: yes and get same error. Without checking log.. but same error. System is intel 386 dual p3 with adaptec scsi AHA-2742 card as primary drive. I can load same system on an ide intel based i386 sytem however. |
| 01:59.26 | Azar | dvs, at least the guy learns... I installed 57 times, at one moment it became a pleasure.. |
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| 01:59.42 | dvs | yay1 |
| 01:59.46 | dvs | !beer Canna |
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| 01:59.53 | Canna | haha HELLL YEAH |
| 02:00.01 | dvs | Canna: uname -r |
| 02:00.05 | Azar | :) you did it,Canna! |
| 02:00.11 | Canna | 2.6.8-2!!!!!!!!!! |
| 02:00.12 | stew | Canna: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
| 02:00.20 | dvs | -2?!? |
| 02:00.31 | Canna | -2-686 yeah |
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| 02:00.34 | Azar | dvs, yes -2 is mine too |
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| 02:00.45 | Canna | wait you guys want me to usealsa for sound? |
| 02:00.50 | Azar | .. ah missing the architecture |
| 02:00.51 | dvs | Canna: modprobe snd-cs46xx |
| 02:00.57 | Canna | i dont think i did last time i did an install which was like 2 years ago |
| 02:00.58 | Sonny | In what type of file is convenient to save my documents? .swx, .odt, ...... ??? |
| 02:01.22 | Canna | ok dvs now what |
| 02:01.23 | Kaishen | Hey all, I'm having a problem with KDE's display properties; It's not showing all the display modes of my monitor. It's "stuck" in 800x600 and I know my monitor can handle 1280x1024. |
| 02:01.24 | Canna | it worked this time |
| 02:01.28 | Azar | .exe :) |
| 02:01.37 | dvs | Canna: Actually. apt-get install alsaconf |
| 02:01.39 | Canna | lol |
| 02:01.53 | Canna | ok, so i am going to use alsa?? |
| 02:01.57 | Azar | Kaishen: #kde |
| 02:01.57 | dvs | Canna: Yes. |
| 02:02.09 | Kaishen | ah, thanks |
| 02:02.20 | Canna | ok running |
| 02:02.20 | dvs | Canna: OSS is dead! |
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| 02:02.40 | Azar | Canna no mo' oss! vive alsa |
| 02:02.44 | Canna | hahaha |
| 02:02.47 | Canna | alright |
| 02:02.57 | Canna | now im doing the alsaconf what about alsa-base and the other one? |
| 02:02.59 | dvs | Canna: So your sound works now? |
| 02:03.06 | Canna | and alsa-utils |
| 02:03.12 | stew | !alsa one-liner |
| 02:03.12 | dpkg | methinks alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf, or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels |
| 02:03.14 | Canna | i dont think so...? |
| 02:03.28 | dvs | Canna: Do alsaconf first. |
| 02:03.29 | Canna | i know i read that stew |
| 02:03.36 | Canna | thats why im confused |
| 02:03.45 | Canna | thats done |
| 02:03.49 | Canna | i think it installed base too |
| 02:04.08 | Canna | ohh ok it does the dependencies anyway, stupid me |
| 02:04.13 | Azar | Canna you can install more than one package at apt-get install by listing them with a space in between them |
| 02:04.21 | *** join/#debian RazaMetaL (n=gsalas@200.93.220.29) |
| 02:04.22 | Canna | so now soundshould be working? |
| 02:04.29 | dvs | Azar: but alsa-utils depends on alsa-base |
| 02:04.33 | Canna | thanks, good to know |
| 02:04.35 | *** join/#debian IceTox (n=IceTox@180.82-134-119.bkkb.no) |
| 02:04.41 | dvs | Canna: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 02:04.46 | Azar | dvs, thanks for the tip |
| 02:04.50 | *** join/#debian pablo_ (i=pablo@201-048-052-211.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) |
| 02:05.03 | Canna | now if i do that am i gonna get a sound that i cant stop for 10 minutes? |
| 02:05.08 | *** join/#debian sandra (n=sparra@201.243.70.100) |
| 02:05.12 | *** part/#debian pablo_ (i=pablo@201-048-052-211.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) |
| 02:05.17 | *** part/#debian Deek (n=deek@c-67-167-165-112.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) |
| 02:05.18 | dvs | Canna: press ctrl-c to stop |
| 02:05.27 | Canna | NICEEEE! |
| 02:05.34 | Canna | hahahaha thats sick |
| 02:05.41 | dvs | Canna: get cable. ;-) |
| 02:05.45 | Canna | ok now to see if the mplayerplugin works |
| 02:05.57 | Canna | loli have cable |
| 02:06.09 | Canna | cable internet you mean? |
| 02:06.09 | Azar | Canna instruct your player to use the alsa plugins. |
| 02:06.25 | dvs | Canna: No, it was a joke for the white noise for /dev/urandom |
| 02:06.25 | Canna | how do i do that it should be in the settings? |
| 02:06.34 | Canna | hahahaha |
| 02:06.37 | Canna | now i get it lol |
| 02:06.53 | dvs | Canna: Or it could be an HBO show. ;-) |
| 02:06.55 | Azar | Canna your player has a "preferences" menu search, look, find and pick alsa |
| 02:07.05 | *** join/#debian dn4 (n=dna@cpe-24-26-237-72.satx.res.rr.com) |
| 02:07.14 | IceTox | Hello. I'm having this problem with the resolution on my debian box. I've tried - like it's said in manuals - to change /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 , but it still doesn't work. Anyone knows what I'm doing wrong? I wanna increase the Screen resolution from 800x600 to 1280x1024. |
| 02:07.14 | dn4 | is there a way to get the latest nvidia release for the drivers? |
| 02:07.17 | Canna | lol |
| 02:07.29 | Canna | ok ill do that Azar |
| 02:07.34 | Canna | but im not using any player right now |
| 02:07.37 | Azar | dn4 for what version of Debian? |
| 02:07.42 | *** join/#debian kazsaw (n=jeni@Toronto-HSE-ppp3717131.sympatico.ca) |
| 02:07.44 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:07.48 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:07.49 | kyncani | !tell IceTox about drxx |
| 02:07.51 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:07.54 | Azar | ban |
| 02:08.04 | kazsaw | han |
| 02:08.05 | dvm1981 | !ops spam |
| 02:08.05 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: spam |
| 02:08.08 | stew | !ops kazsaw gnaa |
| 02:08.08 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: kazsaw gnaa |
| 02:08.16 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:08.19 | IceTox | ty kyncani :-) |
| 02:08.25 | kyncani | np |
| 02:08.30 | Sonny | do you know how can I create a new profile to my thunderbird? |
| 02:08.31 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:08.33 | *** part/#debian kazsaw (n=jeni@Toronto-HSE-ppp3717131.sympatico.ca) |
| 02:08.35 | Canna | ok guys |
| 02:08.37 | dn4 | Azar, I installed the net install linux kernel 2.6.8 |
| 02:08.47 | *** join/#debian kazsaw (n=jeni@Toronto-HSE-ppp3717131.sympatico.ca) |
| 02:08.49 | dvm1981 | !ops kazsaw abuses with spam!, urgent |
| 02:08.49 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: kazsaw abuses with spam!, urgent |
| 02:08.52 | Canna | I cantplay stuff because its saying i have no audio and theres nowhere to tell it to use alsa? |
| 02:08.56 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:09.03 | Canna | i double clicked an mp3 and it opened up Totem |
| 02:09.07 | Canna | but it wouldnt play |
| 02:09.07 | kazsaw | . |
| 02:09.08 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:09.09 | dn4 | right now I have GL_VERSION: 1.5.3 NVIDIA 71.74 |
| 02:09.09 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:09.11 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:09.11 | Azar | dn4 the Debian version please: Sarge? |
| 02:09.13 | kazsaw | .... |
| 02:09.15 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:09.18 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:09.18 | Canna | kazsaw ur a peice of shit |
| 02:09.18 | Azar | !ops |
| 02:09.19 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 02:09.24 | kazsaw | ffff |
| 02:09.25 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:09.27 | dn4 | Azar, 3, I believe it is sarge, stable version |
| 02:09.29 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:09.31 | *** join/#debian emateja_ (n=emateja@wsip-68-15-132-140.hr.hr.cox.net) |
| 02:09.32 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:09.35 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:09.40 | kazsaw | .... |
| 02:09.40 | dvm1981 | !ops NEED URGENT HELP HERE ONE #debian |
| 02:09.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: NEED URGENT HELP HERE ONE #debian |
| 02:09.41 | Azar | dn4 wait until kazsaw gets fried |
| 02:09.42 | streuner | Azar: ops are already informed... |
| 02:09.42 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:09.45 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:09.48 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:09.51 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:09.54 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:09.54 | stew | calling the ops multiple times isn't helpful |
| 02:09.56 | dvm1981 | streuner: Ok sorry |
| 02:09.57 | kazsaw | ..... |
| 02:09.59 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:10.04 | dn4 | holy crap kazsaw |
| 02:10.05 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:10.10 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:10.13 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:10.16 | *** join/#debian creft (n=Creft@64.114.134.129) |
| 02:10.16 | kazsaw | oooooooosssss |
| 02:10.17 | Azar | kazsaw: you gonna be very sorry |
| 02:10.17 | Canna | i know this is so f'ed up |
| 02:10.18 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:10.21 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:10.24 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:10.27 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:10.30 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:10.33 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:10.36 | kazsaw | i'm gonna be very horny |
| 02:10.38 | dvm1981 | Somme kiddies here? Play a bit bad guys!!! |
| 02:10.39 | dn4 | yeah, I have never seen this happen to #Debian before |
| 02:10.40 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:10.41 | Azar | haha |
| 02:10.43 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:10.46 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:10.49 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:10.51 | Sonny | how do I tell my xchat to use firefox not epiphany as default? |
| 02:10.52 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:10.53 | dvs | Canna: You'll need to add some modules to your /etc/modules file |
| 02:10.55 | kazsaw | pooop |
| 02:10.57 | kazsaw | poop |
| 02:10.59 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:11.02 | Azar | nobody is stupid to click on your shit link |
| 02:11.02 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:11.05 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:11.10 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:11.12 | weasel00 | i contacted lilo about this... =) |
| 02:11.13 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:11.16 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:11.19 | kazsaw | poop! |
| 02:11.20 | Canna | dvs: what cs46xx??? |
| 02:11.21 | kazsaw | poop! |
| 02:11.23 | emateja_ | well this is productive |
| 02:11.23 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:11.26 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:11.29 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:11.30 | dvm1981 | Is there non an AUTO ban? |
| 02:11.32 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:11.35 | *** part/#debian Jerub (n=gideon@unaffiliated/jerub) |
| 02:11.36 | dn4 | apparently not |
| 02:11.40 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:11.43 | kazsaw | pooop |
| 02:11.43 | dn4 | !spam |
| 02:11.43 | dpkg | it has been said that spam is a preferred environment. SPAM; Shut up, You damn Vikings! SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM, or to destroy it, try spamassassin (spamd+spamc) , razor or crm114 (but be ready to train it for a week) |
| 02:11.43 | dvs | Canna: It should be snd-cs46xx. Do lsmod | grep cs46 to make sure |
| 02:11.45 | kazsaw | pooop |
| 02:11.47 | emateja_ | any moderators? |
| 02:11.47 | kazsaw | pooop |
| 02:11.49 | dvm1981 | ops please |
| 02:11.49 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:11.51 | Azar | Toronto-HSE-ppp3717131.sympatico.ca |
| 02:11.52 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:11.55 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:11.57 | weasel00 | hes going slow enough not to trigger the auto spamming timing |
| 02:11.58 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:12.01 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:12.04 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:12.06 | streuner | put the troll on ignore |
| 02:12.09 | kazsaw | gay |
| 02:12.10 | Azar | ok |
| 02:12.11 | kazsaw | gay |
| 02:12.12 | dvm1981 | PEOPLE wait a bit before sending important msg... |
| 02:12.13 | kazsaw | gay |
| 02:12.15 | kazsaw | gay |
| 02:12.16 | *** join/#debian Illarane (n=heifer@bb-87-82-10-2.ukonline.co.uk) |
| 02:12.17 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:12.20 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:12.23 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:12.26 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:12.34 | abrotman | !sing blame canada |
| 02:12.35 | dpkg | blame canada, blame canada, it seems that everythings gone wrong since canada came along, blame canada, blame canada, they're not even a real country, anyway |
| 02:12.35 | kazsaw | poop |
| 02:12.36 | Sonny | kick him plz |
| 02:12.39 | kazsaw | poop |
| 02:12.43 | *** join/#debian nalioth (n=Apple@ubuntu/member/pdpc.bronze.nalioth) |
| 02:12.43 | kazsaw | poop |
| 02:12.45 | abrotman | Sonny: noone can ... we have no ops |
| 02:12.45 | kazsaw | poop |
| 02:12.47 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:12.48 | Canna | dvs theres a snd_cs46xx and a cs46xx |
| 02:12.50 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:12.50 | Azar | dn4 put kazsaw on ignore and let's continue |
| 02:12.53 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:12.56 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:12.59 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:13.02 | kazsaw | poop |
| 02:13.04 | cafuego | !ops |
| 02:13.05 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 02:13.06 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:13.07 | Illarane | Wow, he's eloquent. |
| 02:13.11 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:13.13 | cafuego | !ops spammer |
| 02:13.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: spammer |
| 02:13.14 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:13.20 | dvs | Canna: Oh? that could be a problem. You have to remove cs46xx. Try "modprobe -r cs46xx" as root |
| 02:13.20 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:13.23 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:13.26 | stew | nalioth: please? |
| 02:13.27 | dvm1981 | Funcking bastard. Is she an Nigger one? |
| 02:13.29 | kazsaw | poop me |
| 02:13.31 | kazsaw | poop you |
| 02:13.33 | kazsaw | poop everyone |
| 02:13.33 | mbishop | !ban kazsaw |
| 02:13.35 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:13.40 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:13.41 | RazaMetaL | nice video :S |
| 02:13.41 | mbishop | !ops ban kazsaw |
| 02:13.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: ban kazsaw |
| 02:13.43 | RazaMetaL | hhehehe |
| 02:13.43 | cafuego | kazsaw: We got the message, kindly leave. |
| 02:13.43 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:13.45 | Sonny | can I ban him? |
| 02:13.45 | dn4 | !ban kazsaw |
| 02:13.46 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:13.52 | Canna | dvs: oh, i guess it added it when i did the modprobe that u told me to do???or no? |
| 02:13.55 | kazsaw | poop me |
| 02:13.57 | Sonny | !ban kazsaw |
| 02:13.57 | kazsaw | poop you |
| 02:13.59 | kazsaw | poop everone |
| 02:14.00 | dvm1981 | !ban kazsaw !ban kazsaw!ban kazsaw!ban!ban kazsaw!ban kazsaw!ban kazsaw!ban kazsaw!ban kazsaw!ban kazsaw!ban kazsaw!ban kazsaw!ban kazsaw !ban kazsaw!ban kazsaw!ban kazsaw!ban kazsaw!ban kazsawkazsaw |
| 02:14.01 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:14.01 | dvm1981 | !ban kazsaw!ban kazsaw!ban kazsaw!ban !ban kazsawkazsaw |
| 02:14.04 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:14.05 | stew | dvm1981: stop |
| 02:14.05 | dvm1981 | Shit man |
| 02:14.09 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:14.10 | dvm1981 | yep |
| 02:14.10 | dn4 | Anyone know of any irccops? |
| 02:14.12 | cafuego | dvm1981: Don't you start! |
| 02:14.12 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:14.14 | streuner | cafuego: do you believe in 'Weihnachtsmann'? |
| 02:14.15 | *** join/#debian Swiv (n=Swiv@CPE00045a693263-CM0011e6c7ecf1.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 02:14.15 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:14.18 | nalioth | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:14.18 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:14.18 | dvs | Canna: Did you modprobe it after you reboot? |
| 02:14.21 | kazsaw | poop me |
| 02:14.22 | ryan` | !op kazsaw |
| 02:14.22 | Canna | yes |
| 02:14.23 | kazsaw | poop you |
| 02:14.24 | cafuego | streuner: no |
| 02:14.25 | kazsaw | poop up |
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| 02:14.27 | kazsaw | poop down |
| 02:14.29 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:14.30 | ryan` | !ops |
| 02:14.30 | dpkg | Please invoke '!ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 02:14.30 | Canna | dvs: yeah now i removed it,its gone |
| 02:14.32 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:14.35 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:14.36 | nalioth | cafuego: where are your ops? |
| 02:14.38 | ryan` | !ops kazsaw |
| 02:14.38 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: kazsaw |
| 02:14.40 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:14.43 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:14.46 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:14.46 | cafuego | nalioth: Why would I have ops? |
| 02:14.49 | kazsaw | poop left |
| 02:14.51 | kazsaw | poop right |
| 02:14.53 | kazsaw | poop up |
| 02:14.54 | Canna | KAZSAW WTF IS THE POINT OF THIS |
| 02:14.55 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:14.55 | dvs | Canna: Does "lsmod | grep snd_pcm" show anything? |
| 02:14.57 | nalioth | cafuego: where are your ops in #debian ? |
| 02:14.58 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:15.02 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:15.03 | abrotman | nalioth: that's caphuso .. not cafuego |
| 02:15.04 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:15.04 | nalioth | Canna: /ignore kazsaw |
| 02:15.05 | cafuego | nalioth: Why would I have ops in #debian? |
| 02:15.07 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:15.07 | dn4 | !op $kazsaw is spamming the channel #debian |
| 02:15.08 | dpkg | okay, dn4 |
| 02:15.12 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:15.14 | *** join/#debian lindenle (n=lindenle@ppp-70-225-187-0.dsl.chmpil.ameritech.net) |
| 02:15.15 | kazsaw | poop you |
| 02:15.15 | Canna | ahhhhhh nice |
| 02:15.15 | ryan` | /ignore kazsaw!*@* CHAN |
| 02:15.17 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:15.19 | nalioth | cafuego: <sigh> i was just wondering where any ops are |
| 02:15.20 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:15.21 | Azar | ok dn4, if you run Sarge and want to stay with it you can only use the nvidia offered by your sarge archives sources. First add in your /etc/apt/sources.list " non-free contrib " at the end of each source. |
| 02:15.22 | abrotman | !forget op $kazsaw |
| 02:15.22 | dpkg | abrotman: i didn't have anything called 'op $kazsaw' to forget |
| 02:15.23 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:15.24 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 02:15.26 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:15.29 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:15.33 | cafuego | nalioth: prolly drunk or asleep |
| 02:15.35 | kazsaw | op op op |
| 02:15.35 | dn4 | thank you ryan` :) |
| 02:15.37 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:15.39 | Canna | i forgot you could ignore him |
| 02:15.40 | ryan` | !forget !op $kazsaw |
| 02:15.40 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called '!op $kazsaw' to forget, ryan` |
| 02:15.42 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:15.42 | nalioth | cafuego: and what a lovely place for them to be |
| 02:15.45 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:15.48 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:15.48 | ryan` | !forget $kazsaw |
| 02:15.48 | dpkg | ryan`: i didn't have anything called '$kazsaw' to forget |
| 02:15.50 | Azar | dn4: after that come here and ask dpkg : /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner do what it recommends. |
| 02:15.51 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:15.54 | kazsaw | op left |
| 02:15.56 | kazsaw | op right |
| 02:15.58 | kazsaw | poop me |
| 02:16.00 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:16.01 | emateja_ | can someone please tell me how to ignore this guy? |
| 02:16.02 | Stevie | op b |
| 02:16.02 | Stevie | op a |
| 02:16.03 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:16.06 | dn4 | Azar, I keep getting errors with the current drivers though |
| 02:16.06 | Stevie | op b op a op start |
| 02:16.07 | nalioth | emateja_: /ignore kazsaw |
| 02:16.09 | Canna | ok now dvs |
| 02:16.10 | *** mode/#debian [+b %kz!*@*] by lilo |
| 02:16.11 | kazsaw | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Digitally Remastered http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 02:16.14 | *** mode/#debian [+b %kazsaw!*@*] by lilo |
| 02:16.15 | dvm1981 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:16.16 | lilo | whoops, sorry |
| 02:16.16 | cafuego | lilo: cheers |
| 02:16.19 | dvs | Canna: What's ok? |
| 02:16.21 | nalioth | lilo: thank you |
| 02:16.21 | Stevie | what's the %? |
| 02:16.23 | Azar | emateja_: to ignore type /ignore kazsaw |
| 02:16.24 | Canna | yeahhhh |
| 02:16.26 | streuner | lilo: thanks |
| 02:16.29 | nalioth | Stevie: it's a quiet |
| 02:16.32 | ryan` | mmmm, k-line |
| 02:16.34 | Canna | i mean ok now i need to keep trying |
| 02:16.34 | mbishop | ok |
| 02:16.35 | Illarane | Three cheers for Lilo! |
| 02:16.35 | dn4 | Azar, I already did the one-liner and was wondering if driver updates will helpl stop getting signal 11 |
| 02:16.35 | Stevie | oh |
| 02:16.37 | emateja_ | thanks |
| 02:16.39 | Azar | dn4 what errors? |
| 02:16.41 | nalioth | y'all can unignore now |
| 02:16.41 | dvm1981 | yes guys :-) |
| 02:16.42 | mbishop | lilo didn't do it heh |
| 02:16.44 | mbishop | christel did it |
| 02:16.48 | *** part/#debian nalioth (n=Apple@ubuntu/member/pdpc.bronze.nalioth) |
| 02:16.51 | Stevie | lilo: I am so thankful, I'm going to name a bootloader after you. |
| 02:16.52 | *** join/#debian tcwd (n=tcwd@unaffiliated/tcwd) |
| 02:16.54 | Azar | dn4 what kernel are you running? |
| 02:16.59 | ryan` | haha |
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| 02:17.10 | mbishop | lilo: oh, see you got the ban haha |
| 02:17.16 | mbishop | lilo: I just asked christel to kline :P |
| 02:17.22 | dvs | Canna: Unless you add the modules to the /etc/modules file, the sound will fail once you reboot |
| 02:17.29 | stew | lilo: i don't understand why nailioth was unwilling to do anything about it |
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| 02:17.38 | dn4 | 2.6.8 |
| 02:17.39 | Azar | dn4: what kernel are you running? |
| 02:17.43 | lilo | yup, christel got the kline |
| 02:17.45 | dvm1981 | abrotman: Why i can not send to #freenode (redirected to #bookmark)? |
| 02:17.47 | Canna | i changed XMMS to ALSA butsound still isnt working in apps |
| 02:17.50 | dn4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:17.53 | Stevie | screw k:lines |
| 02:17.54 | lilo | stew: it's not at all that he was unwilling |
| 02:17.55 | emateja_ | anyone: I really need some install help. Probably requires some thought. Can anyone help???? |
| 02:17.58 | abrotman | dvm1981: because it's a moderated channel |
| 02:17.59 | Azar | ah ok so you are running Debian Sarge with a 2.6.8 kernel? |
| 02:17.59 | Stevie | z:lines |
| 02:17.59 | lilo | stew: he's a new first level person |
| 02:18.13 | stew | lilo: ahh, ok, sorry to have made assumptions |
| 02:18.14 | dn4 | Azar, yes |
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| 02:18.22 | abrotman | he could have opped any regular here momentarily :) |
| 02:18.31 | dvm1981 | abrotman: So my msg is been send? I have receive the msg '##bookmark :Cannot send to channel' |
| 02:18.41 | abrotman | dvm1981: you have to recieve voice |
| 02:18.46 | Azar | dn4 did you at any time installed any nvidia drivers directly from nvidia site? |
| 02:18.49 | Canna | dvs: do i add cs46xx or snd_cs46xx??? |
| 02:18.54 | dn4 | Azar, nope |
| 02:18.59 | dvs | Canna: snd_cs46xx and snd_pcm_oss |
| 02:19.02 | dvm1981 | abrotman: I not understand that last |
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| 02:19.17 | dvm1981 | abrotman: Yes, understand :-) |
| 02:19.22 | abrotman | dvm1981: ##bookmark is a moderated channel .. you cannot speak there until you're given voice from the moderator |
| 02:19.25 | ryan` | are ignores done serverside? |
| 02:19.33 | lindenle | hi my /proc/acpi/ac_adapter/*/state always says online...is this a know problem. Is there an acpi list |
| 02:19.34 | Stevie | ryan`: no, clientside |
| 02:19.35 | ryan` | or4 clientside? |
| 02:19.38 | Canna | dvs: whats the 2nd one for |
| 02:19.39 | ryan` | ah. |
| 02:19.46 | dvs | Canna: OSS compatibility |
| 02:19.51 | Stevie | there's always /silence though, ryan` |
| 02:20.02 | RazaMetaL | hi |
| 02:20.05 | ryan` | Stevie, what's that do? |
| 02:20.06 | Azar | dn4 unfortunately I have no idea how to help you stop that kind of error. I only know how to install and configure |
| 02:20.08 | Canna | ok, did those 2 |
| 02:20.08 | dvm1981 | abrotman: Right, on some places, it's better so ;-) |
| 02:20.18 | dn4 | Azar, tis cool :) |
| 02:20.19 | dvs | Canna: Remove cs46xx if it's there |
| 02:20.22 | dn4 | off to play games |
| 02:20.23 | dn4 | haha |
| 02:20.24 | RazaMetaL | does any 1 have compiled bcm43xx driver on debian sid before? |
| 02:20.33 | Canna | now it will still be working when i reboot, but its not working in my X applications, even if i tell it to use ALSA as output |
| 02:20.39 | Sonny | how do I tell my xchat to use firefox not epiphany as default? |
| 02:20.41 | Canna | cs46xx wasnt there |
| 02:20.47 | dvs | Canna: Are you part of the audio group? |
| 02:20.58 | Canna | the cat worked |
| 02:21.08 | Canna | dvs: i thought so but maybe not how can i make sure |
| 02:21.15 | dvs | Canna: groups |
| 02:21.21 | Canna | just type it |
| 02:21.34 | mentor | meh |
| 02:21.35 | Canna | ok im not in audiio |
| 02:21.37 | stew | Canna: is the cs46xx driver loaded? or just the snd-cs46xx? |
| 02:21.37 | Canna | how do i add that |
| 02:21.51 | dvs | Canna: adduser $USER audio |
| 02:21.52 | Canna | stew: i dont think either |
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| 02:22.02 | Canna | stew: snd_cs46xx was |
| 02:22.08 | Canna | not - an underscore |
| 02:22.37 | stew | Canna: add snd-cs46xx and snd-pcm-oss each on a line by themselves to /etc/modules; then modprobe both of them |
| 02:22.39 | Canna | im not in the audio group, i need t6o get in that, also how can i see what drivers are loaded again? |
| 02:22.48 | stew | Canna: adduser canna audio |
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| 02:23.30 | Canna | okim in the audio group |
| 02:23.41 | Canna | but the 2 of you are both telling me to add differen tmodules |
| 02:23.43 | dvs | Canna: Log out and back in (DONT reboot) |
| 02:23.48 | Canna | are the - and _ the same thing?? |
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| 02:24.04 | tardist | how was the spam? |
| 02:24.07 | Canna | af_packet |
| 02:24.07 | Canna | snd_cs46xx |
| 02:24.08 | Canna | snd_pcm_oss |
| 02:24.13 | Ethan | . |
| 02:24.17 | Canna | those are the only modules i have in there as of now |
| 02:24.29 | tardist | have you watched that excellent movie? |
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| 02:24.58 | *** part/#debian Ethan (n=support@wsip-68-15-132-140.hr.hr.cox.net) |
| 02:25.08 | Canna | dvs: before i log out then back in should i have the modules with hyphens or underscores? |
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| 02:25.23 | tardist | DCC SEND "string" 0 0 0 |
| 02:25.27 | Canna | or does it not matter, cause you told me undescores stew said hyphens |
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| 02:25.57 | dvs | Canna: I don't think it matter. I use underscores and it works. |
| 02:25.57 | tardist | lol |
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| 02:26.04 | tardist | dat's good |
| 02:26.05 | moshii | Is there a good way of proxying X applications so that I can keep them running when I restart xorg or move them to another display at will? |
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| 02:26.09 | abrotman | tardist: don't do that |
| 02:26.13 | *** part/#debian tardist (n=jeson@toronto-HSE-ppp3957473.sympatico.ca) |
| 02:26.17 | Canna | cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp doesnt work anymore |
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| 02:26.32 | Canna | i get write error no space lft on device |
| 02:27.06 | moshii | Canna: I don't know if /dev/dsp will work if you're using alsa and don't have OSS emulation.. |
| 02:27.09 | dvs | Canna: Log out and back again so you can be part of the audio group |
| 02:27.15 | dvs | first |
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| 02:27.29 | Canna | k brb |
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| 02:27.54 | Canna | i think i do have OSS emu, right dvs? |
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| 02:28.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 657] by debhelper |
| 02:28.18 | dvs | Canna: If snd_pcm_oss is loaded, yes |
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| 02:29.37 | dvm1981 | Sonny: man update-alternatives |
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| 02:29.44 | dvs | Canna: If snd_pcm_oss is loaded, yes |
| 02:30.04 | Canna | ok well now im back |
| 02:30.06 | Canna | and nothing is working |
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| 02:30.27 | Canna | no sound, no cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 02:30.35 | moshii | Canna: does alsamixer work? |
| 02:30.37 | Canna | at least before cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp worked |
| 02:30.53 | dvs | Canna: It gives an error? |
| 02:31.01 | Canna | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 02:31.09 | Canna | dvs: yeah it says no space to write to |
| 02:31.20 | thecreator | hay, anyone good with kernels and stuff? I have a version compatibility issues... (I think you need to run alsaconf) |
| 02:31.24 | moshii | Canna: you're modules aren't working then |
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| 02:31.24 | dvs | Canna: paste "lsmoc | grep snd" somewhere. |
| 02:31.29 | thecreator | in answer to the error just posted. |
| 02:31.47 | dvm1981 | Sonny: Then after reading that part run 'update-alternatives' as root user. |
| 02:31.49 | dvs | Canna: paste "lsmod | grep snd" somewhere. |
| 02:31.51 | theShining | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:31.54 | Canna | moshii: what do you mean there not working, cat worked 2 minutes ago |
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| 02:32.01 | theShining | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:32.07 | theShining | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:32.10 | theShining | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:32.13 | dvm1981 | Some troubles with Niggers????? |
| 02:32.14 | moshii | ah, it's one of those losers |
| 02:32.15 | abrotman | !ops please |
| 02:32.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: please |
| 02:32.15 | theShining | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:32.18 | theShining | lol |
| 02:32.20 | theShining | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:32.23 | theShining | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:32.26 | theShining | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:32.32 | theShining | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:32.35 | theShining | poop |
| 02:32.37 | theShining | gay nigger pride |
| 02:32.37 | concept10 | screenshpt |
| 02:32.40 | moshii | they have to do this stuff to join their 14 year old club |
| 02:32.40 | theShining | gay nigger pride |
| 02:32.41 | hatake_kakashi | !ops flooder |
| 02:32.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: flooder |
| 02:32.42 | streuner | moshii: no, with assholes |
| 02:32.43 | theShining | gay nigger pride |
| 02:32.45 | theShining | gay nigger pride |
| 02:32.46 | thecreator | lmao. |
| 02:32.47 | dvm1981 | theShining: It was to you i talked |
| 02:32.47 | theShining | gay nigger pride |
| 02:32.49 | theShining | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:32.52 | theShining | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:32.53 | RazaMetaL | lmao |
| 02:32.55 | theShining | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:32.58 | theShining | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:33.08 | theShining | gay nigger pride, dude |
| 02:33.09 | dvm1981 | theShining: Stop a bit and let's talk a bit!!! |
| 02:33.10 | theShining | gay nigger pride, dude |
| 02:33.12 | thecreator | don't try to talk, I can't hear a thing with that ass flooding, my screne reader is going nuts. |
| 02:33.12 | magyar | dpkg, hi |
| 02:33.12 | dpkg | hola, magyar |
| 02:33.14 | theShining | gay nigger pride, dude |
| 02:33.18 | theShining | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:33.27 | theShining | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:33.28 | dvm1981 | theShining: Why you are doing that all man? |
| 02:33.29 | Canna | dvs: i pasted it in #flood |
| 02:33.29 | *** join/#debian lindenle (n=lindenle@ppp-70-225-187-0.dsl.chmpil.ameritech.net) |
| 02:33.30 | theShining | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:33.31 | streuner | !ops theShining want leave us... |
| 02:33.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: theShining want leave us... |
| 02:33.33 | theShining | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:33.33 | abrotman | dvm1981: he's GNAA |
| 02:33.34 | hatake_kakashi | what a waste of bandwidth |
| 02:33.34 | Canna | if i have to do it again let meknow |
| 02:33.36 | theShining | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:33.36 | abrotman | !afo |
| 02:33.37 | dpkg | asg for ops! |
| 02:33.38 | abrotman | !afo |
| 02:33.38 | dvs | Canna: snd_pcm_oss is not loaded |
| 02:33.38 | abrotman | !afo |
| 02:33.39 | theShining | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:33.47 | theShining | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:33.50 | theShining | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:33.50 | magyar | this is new |
| 02:33.51 | abrotman | FFS .. i should go over to #-devel |
| 02:33.51 | thecreator | lets everyone whois and ping his ass! |
| 02:33.53 | theShining | gay nigger pride |
| 02:33.54 | dvm1981 | abrotman: I try to distract him a bit, so he no more fuck this here |
| 02:33.55 | theShining | gay nigger pride |
| 02:33.59 | abrotman | dvm1981: it's a script |
| 02:34.01 | Canna | dvs: its in modules tho? |
| 02:34.01 | theShining | gay nigger pride |
| 02:34.03 | theShining | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:34.03 | thecreator | or get his ip and hping -f him. |
| 02:34.06 | theShining | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:34.11 | disposable | i love /ignore :) |
| 02:34.12 | moshii | theShining: you're just pissed you use windows |
| 02:34.13 | *** part/#debian lindenle (n=lindenle@ppp-70-225-187-0.dsl.chmpil.ameritech.net) |
| 02:34.13 | theShining | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:34.16 | dvm1981 | abrotman: An win32 script then :-/ |
| 02:34.17 | theShining | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:34.18 | dvs | Canna: That works on reboot. You need to "modprobe snd_pcm_oss" now |
| 02:34.20 | theShining | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:34.23 | theShining | gay nigger pride |
| 02:34.24 | *** mode/#debian [+b %theShining!*@*] by lilo |
| 02:34.29 | *** join/#debian Supaplex (n=supaplex@shell.aros.net) |
| 02:34.32 | abrotman | lilo: don't wander far |
| 02:34.36 | thecreator | will someone kick him? I can't hear a thing with my screen reader going off like that. |
| 02:34.38 | abrotman | please |
| 02:34.42 | Canna | o ok, just that one? |
| 02:34.44 | dvm1981 | lilo: You're the man of this night man ;-) |
| 02:34.44 | duncf | ip ban please? |
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| 02:34.55 | dvs | Canna: Yes, snd_cs46xx is already there |
| 02:35.03 | lilo | whoops, missed the IP |
| 02:35.04 | Canna | dvs: ok should i log out and in or what |
| 02:35.10 | yggdrasil | Hello i cant seem to find my usb hard drive . im trying to partition and format it. |
| 02:35.11 | dvs | Canna: Nope, not this time |
| 02:35.12 | abrotman | lilo: can you set a ban on jeson@sympatico ? |
| 02:35.18 | thecreator | hay, now that it is quiet, can someone help me with my kernel issue? |
| 02:35.21 | Canna | dvs: just try to play something? |
| 02:35.24 | duncf | (n=jeson@toronto-HSE-ppp3956625.sympatico.ca) : jenson |
| 02:35.25 | abrotman | or do the realname jenson thing |
| 02:35.26 | moshii | yggdrasil: what does dmesg say when you connect it? |
| 02:35.26 | dvs | Canna: Yup |
| 02:35.40 | yggdrasil | moshi seems good |
| 02:35.48 | lilo | abrotman: well, it's about outside my charter but sure |
| 02:35.52 | yggdrasil | i can lsusb it. its bus id 004 |
| 02:35.54 | Canna | dvs: shit now i have a visualization like its playing but no real sound out of the speakers |
| 02:36.05 | moshii | yggdrasil: yeah, but you need it to get stuck on /dev/sda or something |
| 02:36.07 | Illarane | Sometimes I wish I was black purely so I'd have some more whomp to throw at the GNAA. |
| 02:36.07 | *** mode/#debian [+d jenson] by lilo |
| 02:36.09 | dvs | Canna: Ah. Are you using X? |
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| 02:36.13 | yggdrasil | moshi hang on |
| 02:36.18 | dvm1981 | Canna: You need to setup the volume?? |
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| 02:36.20 | yggdrasil | ill unplug nad plug |
| 02:36.20 | Canna | cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 02:36.20 | Canna | cat: write error: No space left on device |
| 02:36.25 | Canna | yeah im using X |
| 02:36.27 | disposable | Illarane: wtf GNAA? |
| 02:36.27 | abrotman | lilo: not sure it will do a bit of good .. but thank you |
| 02:36.40 | dvs | Canna: Use "alsamixergui" to set the volumes |
| 02:36.52 | Illarane | disposable: Dude, it's not a complicated sentence to understand... :p |
| 02:36.56 | Canna | coomand not found |
| 02:36.57 | moshii | Illarane: Seems pretty weird that racists are also fansubbers.. |
| 02:36.59 | mentor | meh |
| 02:37.05 | Supaplex | How can I provide unprivliged user access to an interface w/o using sudo etc? |
| 02:37.07 | dvm1981 | disposable: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNAA |
| 02:37.08 | Canna | alsamixergui: command not found |
| 02:37.09 | dvs | !find alsamixergui sarge |
| 02:37.18 | streuner | mentor: waked up? |
| 02:37.18 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'alsamixergui' (2): (/usr/bin/alsamixergui, /usr/lib/menu/alsamixergui) in sound/alsamixergui ;; (/usr/share/apps/kappfinder/apps/Multimedia/alsamixergui.desktop) in kde/kappfinder. |
| 02:37.22 | Illarane | moshii: Wouldn't be the first time, hehehe |
| 02:37.29 | Canna | if i play with the volume in gnome it goes right back to 0 |
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| 02:37.38 | dvm1981 | disposable: Google is also you're friend :-) we have all the same :-) |
| 02:37.39 | Canna | but the cat still cant send sound to my card |
| 02:37.40 | mentor | streuner: me? never |
| 02:37.42 | Supaplex | any interface type will do, as long as I can bridge specific tcp traffic on it from eth0 |
| 02:38.00 | disposable | dvm1981: silly :) |
| 02:38.05 | dvs | Canna: paste "lsmod | grep cs46" |
| 02:38.09 | Illarane | Canna: Feed it then. ;) |
| 02:38.11 | Canna | dvs: should i go find and install alsamixer? |
| 02:38.17 | streuner | mentor: some troll flooded us the last 30 minutes... |
| 02:38.21 | dvs | Canna: Yes, that'll work. |
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| 02:38.30 | Canna | dvs paste it into flood? |
| 02:38.32 | mentor | streuner: uh. yeah. I noticed |
| 02:38.37 | moshii | Canna: you shouldn't try cating stuff to /dev/dsp |
| 02:38.37 | dvs | Canna: sure |
| 02:38.45 | mentor | streuner: I'm just not awake |
| 02:38.54 | Canna | well why did it work before and now your saying i shoudlnt do it? |
| 02:38.55 | *** mode/#debian [-bbb %kz!*@* %kazsaw!*@* %theshining!*@*] by lilo |
| 02:39.03 | yggdrasil | moshii can i pm it to you ? |
| 02:39.08 | streuner | mentor: lilo and ignore should help us... |
| 02:39.08 | moshii | yggdrasil: sure |
| 02:39.17 | jobezone | cd #flood |
| 02:39.21 | jobezone | oops |
| 02:39.23 | Azar | lilo: 70.49.108.7 |
| 02:39.26 | moshii | Canna: /dev/dsp is oss related, I presume you're trying to get alsa going |
| 02:39.29 | lilo | Azar: yeah, got that one |
| 02:39.30 | dvm1981 | abrotman: Hey thanks man he :-) I forget to say it to you :-/ |
| 02:39.31 | mentor | well, I'm coing to be here for another 40mins or so |
| 02:39.40 | Illarane | Does dpkg still lart everyone? *sniggers* |
| 02:39.46 | dvs | moshii: Canna has ALSA with OSS emulation |
| 02:39.47 | Azar | :0) sorry late, I was away |
| 02:39.50 | Canna | moshii: i am, but since the cat to dsp worked before why didnt i just use that, im a lil confused |
| 02:39.54 | yggdrasil | moshii can i pm it to you ? |
| 02:39.55 | lilo | the thing I find odd is that people like this actually think it's impressive to flood, troll etc. |
| 02:39.56 | abrotman | dvm1981: ? |
| 02:39.58 | lilo | it's all been done |
| 02:39.58 | yggdrasil | ok |
| 02:40.00 | moshii | yggdrasil: yes |
| 02:40.06 | SimonRaven | @lart Illarane |
| 02:40.06 | Supaplex | !lart Illarane with TIAS |
| 02:40.29 | jobezone | Hi guys, anyone knows why e-mails I send to debian-user-portuguese fail, giving me this message? (pasted in #flood) |
| 02:40.29 | lilo | if it was impressive to waste people's time, spammers would be gods |
| 02:40.30 | Illarane | lilo: It's more impressive to discover security holes like the keylogger thing, heh. |
| 02:40.41 | moshii | dvs: maybe so, cating stuff into /dev/dsp isn't going to find where the problem is .. grepping dmesg and using the alsa tools is a better idea |
| 02:40.43 | Illarane | And then patch them, of course... |
| 02:40.44 | lilo | Illarane: not really....jeez, bugs happen 8) |
| 02:40.51 | lilo | Illarane: patching them, yeah :) |
| 02:40.55 | lilo | Illarane: *nod* |
| 02:40.59 | Illarane | The funny thing about that, though, is that it's deliberate. |
| 02:41.09 | Azar | lilo I also sent complaint to that ISP for that IP # |
| 02:41.11 | dvs | moshii: It's a quick and dirty way of testing sound. |
| 02:41.15 | dvm1981 | abrotman: For these tips you gave, set me right :-) ... You understand :-) like !ban ... typed... |
| 02:41.22 | lilo | what's deliberate? Norton made the best design choice they could at the time, probably they were in a hurry 8) |
| 02:41.23 | abrotman | dvm1981: ah ok |
| 02:41.25 | Illarane | Although it helps me to convince people to go open source, so meh. :p |
| 02:41.31 | lilo | at least *they* weren't malicious 8) |
| 02:41.36 | Illarane | hehehe |
| 02:41.45 | lilo | or worse yet, totally insensitive to wasting other people's time 8) |
| 02:41.45 | weasel00 | hey chuckle nuts is gone *cheers* |
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| 02:41.51 | moshii | dvs: mm still isn't going to say "the problem is here X" though ;) |
| 02:41.56 | lilo | weasel00: for now, I'll hang |
| 02:41.59 | Illarane | lilo: True, true... :p |
| 02:42.00 | Canna | alsamixer: snd_ctl_open failed for default |
| 02:42.07 | Canna | no such device |
| 02:42.20 | streuner | Canna: cat /proc/version |
| 02:42.21 | lilo | <3 people who mean well |
| 02:42.26 | lilo | because people who don't are so much worse |
| 02:42.27 | Illarane | I'm more worried, though, that Norton monitors what's being sent, heh. |
| 02:42.32 | lilo | seems obvious |
| 02:42.40 | moshii | Canna: so the drivers for you card aren't there or aren't working |
| 02:42.48 | lilo | Illarane: nah, I think they're just muddling through best they can |
| 02:42.49 | Canna | Linux version 2.6.8-2-686 (horms@tabatha.lab.ultramonkey.org) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 Tue Aug 16 13:22:48 UTC 2005 |
| 02:42.49 | Gnea | awww, i missed the gay niggers from outer space :P |
| 02:42.52 | Illarane | lilo: Hehehe, true... |
| 02:42.52 | jobezone | Or, in other words, what is an "improper use of 8-bit data" in an e-mail message? |
| 02:43.00 | Sonny | hi, I did update-alternatives --config x-www-browser and pick mozilla-firefox, but my xchat still using epiphany |
| 02:43.06 | streuner | Canna: install another 2.6.x kernel |
| 02:43.06 | dvm1981 | abrotman: Some times i need to less focalise on some stupid things. How to explain it?? Some troubles, and my spahetti english. I would not that you understand my bad :-/ |
| 02:43.12 | Illarane | Gnea: It's not that good a film, really... |
| 02:43.13 | lilo | jobezone: anding it with zeroes and expecting people to still read it? 8) |
| 02:43.15 | Canna | i guess arent working, but they were a little while ago when i was celebrating the urandom sounds coming out of my speakers |
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| 02:43.26 | Azar | hi Gnea :) |
| 02:43.37 | Gnea | Illarane: i realize that, i was being heavily sarcastic |
| 02:43.38 | Illarane | A day in the life of an Amoeba is more interesting. |
| 02:43.38 | Canna | streuner: why thats the only one that was suitable, i just upgraded to that 10 minutes ago |
| 02:43.48 | Illarane | Gnea: So was I.. :p |
| 02:43.54 | abrotman | dvm1981: you don't say! :) |
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| 02:44.05 | Gnea | Azar: good evening |
| 02:44.05 | Azar | streuner, could Canna use modconf to find out what modules is he using? |
| 02:44.07 | Canna | this is frustrating, everyone is telling me different things yet nothing is working |
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| 02:44.30 | dvs | Canna: better than silence. |
| 02:44.32 | lilo | if I step away, guys, my pager email address is on my /away message |
| 02:44.32 | Gnea | Canna: what's the problem? |
| 02:44.37 | lilo | might want to collect it |
| 02:44.40 | moshii | Canna: make sure you have the right drivers for your card, update your kernel etc |
| 02:44.40 | Azar | Canna what type of sound are you using? (hardware) |
| 02:44.42 | Illarane | Canna: Sounds like Advent computers and Dell Windows... :p |
| 02:44.44 | Canna | sound isnt working, dvs yeah your right about that at least |
| 02:44.57 | Canna | gamesurround fortissimo II |
| 02:45.06 | yggdrasil | moshii what do you think ? |
| 02:45.10 | Supaplex | lilo: was it broken? ;) |
| 02:45.19 | Azar | Canna in all my newbiness: can you type modconf and look for your sound modules? |
| 02:45.24 | Canna | and it was working before about 2 years ago when i last installed debian, it also was working for about a minute before |
| 02:45.39 | moshii | yggdrasil: I haven't got anything... you might not be able to DCC me stuff because I'm using IPv6 |
| 02:45.40 | abrotman | i think we have at least one op now |
| 02:45.49 | dvs | abrotman: abrotman the op? |
| 02:45.55 | abrotman | dvs: not likely |
| 02:45.56 | jobezone | hmm, the message doesn't end with zeros, or has any zero. It _is_ an 8-bit message, and with charset=iso-8859-1ed |
| 02:45.57 | yggdrasil | blahk |
| 02:45.59 | yggdrasil | hang on boss |
| 02:46.04 | Gnea | Canna: what kind of soundcard? |
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| 02:46.16 | Azar | Gnea: a fortissimo |
| 02:46.18 | dvs | Canna: lspci | grep audio |
| 02:46.25 | yggwork | thats better huh need to ident |
| 02:46.26 | Gnea | lspci | grep -i audio |
| 02:46.47 | Azar | maybe the oss is still loading at bootup... who knows |
| 02:46.49 | Canna | Azar: i ran modconf, i got a hugemenu WTF am i lookking for?!?!?! |
| 02:47.03 | Canna | Gnea: i just said gamesurround fortissimo II |
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| 02:47.21 | Gnea | Azar: i wasn't here then. |
| 02:47.23 | Gnea | er |
| 02:47.27 | Gnea | Canna: i wasn't here then. |
| 02:47.27 | Azar | Canna the modconf lists many many type of sound... if your type is not listed you might be using a clone |
| 02:47.29 | Canna | 0000:00:0f.0 Multimedia audio controller: Cirrus Logic CS 4614/22/24 [CrystalClear SoundFusion Audio Accelerator] (rev 01) |
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| 02:48.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 651] by debhelper |
| 02:48.07 | Azar | Canna, I would google for " gamesurround fortissimo II in Debian" |
| 02:48.10 | *** join/#debian SiiN (n=wxy@3ffe:321f:0:0:0:0:0:509) |
| 02:48.23 | dvs | Azar: Canna has got the right drivers |
| 02:48.25 | Azar | ahhh Cyrrus.... |
| 02:48.36 | SimonRaven | you don't need the particles google search is keyword based |
| 02:48.37 | Illarane | How we love CL... |
| 02:49.11 | Azar | so Canna by now you know that all alsa modules are listed as snd_yourmodulehere ... do you know how an oss module for your sound looks? |
| 02:49.15 | *** part/#debian quux (n=bryan@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/quuxo) |
| 02:49.17 | Canna | in Totem movieplayer the file plays andi get a visualization with no sound |
| 02:49.21 | Illarane | SimonRaven: I dunno, I've found putting in and the and a in sometimes actually changes the order of the results to be more useful... :/ |
| 02:49.28 | jobezone | Ok, I get. Debian lists are now rejecting non-MIME 8-bit e-mails. They only acept 7-bit non-MIME e-mails. The problem is I use accents, and such, to speak portuguese, and Yahoo is sending my mails as such... |
| 02:49.29 | dvs | Azar: yeah, snd_pcm_oss |
| 02:49.30 | Canna | if i try to load in XMMS it says that /dev/dsp is not available |
| 02:49.34 | SimonRaven | that's fucked |
| 02:49.42 | Illarane | Canna: cat /bin/bash > /dev/dsp |
| 02:49.45 | streuner | Azar: hm, it seems the last d-i just haven't any sound-modules... |
| 02:49.52 | dvs | Canna: Configure XMMS to use ALSA |
| 02:49.53 | abrotman | jobezone: it's a problem with yahoo . i had the same problem |
| 02:49.59 | Canna | Azar: yeah its cs46xx right? |
| 02:50.03 | Illarane | Canna: If that produces digital hiss, then you've at least got the right driver installed... |
| 02:50.16 | dvs | Illarane: He got it to white noise before |
| 02:50.20 | Illarane | although ctrl+c quickly to kill it... :p |
| 02:50.21 | Canna | it doesnt tho |
| 02:50.26 | Illarane | dvs: Just checking |
| 02:50.27 | streuner | Azar: let him search for it by himself... |
| 02:50.31 | Canna | the white noise WAS working, now ISNT |
| 02:50.40 | Azar | Canna right, now did you cleaned that oss out of /etc/modules? |
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| 02:50.49 | Illarane | canna: sudo lsmod |
| 02:51.03 | dvs | Canna: I'd configure XMMS to use ALSA |
| 02:51.06 | SimonRaven | you can run lsmod without being root |
| 02:51.16 | Azar | streuner, ok but is gonna be hard on him |
| 02:51.26 | Canna | Azar: there are the 2 modules dvs told me to load in there thats all |
| 02:51.30 | jobezone | abrotman.... thanks. You think it would be usefull to bug Yahoo about it? |
| 02:51.31 | Illarane | SimonRaven: Doesn't work on my system, but I think that's because it's got PMT. |
| 02:51.52 | Illarane | canna: Are the modules actually loaded? |
| 02:52.00 | Illarane | IE, listed in lsmod |
| 02:52.02 | abrotman | jobezone: i really really doubt it .. |
| 02:52.04 | Canna | yes |
| 02:52.20 | Canna | there listed in #flood |
| 02:52.24 | Illarane | And you're not getting the sweet sound of digital audio? |
| 02:52.26 | abrotman | jobezone: at least .. that's what i found with reporting bugs .. though i think i found the problem to actually be in the addressing |
| 02:52.38 | SimonRaven | ffs, their groups are using some winshit charset ... |
| 02:52.41 | dvs | Canna: Illarane won't see it. |
| 02:52.43 | Illarane | canna: http://www.rafb.net/paste night be more help... :p |
| 02:53.04 | streuner | Azar: ls -l /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/sound/oss/emu10k1 |
| 02:53.10 | Illarane | It's a bit more permanent and doesn't tend to scroll off the screen unlike #flood... |
| 02:53.17 | Canna | cat: write error: No space left on device |
| 02:53.26 | Azar | Canna, I have no idea about video-playing goodies, I only run xmms music player and it works ok |
| 02:53.27 | Illarane | O.o |
| 02:53.33 | abrotman | jobezone: i think i found the <address> etc .. broke something |
| 02:53.37 | SimonRaven | write error? wtf |
| 02:53.46 | jobezone | ahhh |
| 02:53.46 | Illarane | canna: df? :p Just in case... |
| 02:53.49 | Canna | ok well im saying none of them work for audio, not even the most basic cat so? |
| 02:54.00 | jobezone | abortman: thanks, I'll try that |
| 02:54.00 | Canna | whats df? |
| 02:54.05 | Illarane | disk free |
| 02:54.09 | abrotman | Canna: man df |
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| 02:54.12 | dvs | Canna: Did you configure XMMS to use ALSA? |
| 02:54.15 | Illarane | What he said |
| 02:54.17 | Canna | yes |
| 02:54.20 | Illarane | Another good one is free |
| 02:54.24 | Illarane | man free |
| 02:54.31 | Illarane | Finally finished his prison sentence. ;) |
| 02:54.32 | Azar | streuner, I got it :) |
| 02:54.43 | Canna | theres plenty of space free |
| 02:54.47 | SimonRaven | *groan* |
| 02:55.03 | Illarane | SimonRaven: *patpats* |
| 02:55.14 | SimonRaven | heh |
| 02:55.14 | Canna | the cat is sending it to the sound car itsimpossible for hardwarelike that to befullbecause it should streamto the speakers, coorect? |
| 02:55.17 | Illarane | Canna: ls -la /dev/dsp* |
| 02:55.21 | jobezone | abrotman: Well, I already had deleted all my acents, and such... And _then_ deleted the <> from the address. Not exactly a controled experience :) |
| 02:55.23 | Canna | so theres no reason to run df or free |
| 02:55.27 | Azar | Canna you are in good hands: sound configuration is not so easy |
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| 02:55.37 | jobezone | abrotman: sent it now, I mean. |
| 02:55.44 | Illarane | canna: Believe me, I've had some WEIRD errors from ALSA before. |
| 02:55.47 | Canna | im about to freakman ive been trying this for so long |
| 02:56.06 | Canna | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:56.06 | Canna | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 9748480 Mar 14 21:53 /dev/dsp |
| 02:56.07 | Azar | Canna click on xmms and pick preferences |
| 02:56.20 | SimonRaven | wth |
| 02:56.33 | Canna | i already set xmms to use alsa, does NOT work |
| 02:56.34 | abrotman | jobezone: nope .. but you can try again another time .. but i found the same issue .. i should have submitted a bug somewhere .. though i have nfc who was at fault :) |
| 02:56.50 | SimonRaven | that's not a char dev file |
| 02:56.50 | Azar | options/preferences: Output Plugin: Alsa |
| 02:56.50 | Illarane | I have an E-MU 1820M at home, and that produced some really really odd errors, heh... |
| 02:56.57 | SimonRaven | l /dev/dsp |
| 02:56.58 | SimonRaven | crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2006-03-13 15:59 /dev/dsp |
| 02:57.11 | streuner | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2004-12-13 13:29 /dev/dsp -> /dev/dsp0 |
| 02:57.41 | Canna | xmms givesme couldnt open audio, make sure your soundcard is configured and not in use |
| 02:57.50 | SimonRaven | s/he's got a ~ 9 MB file there ..... |
| 02:57.51 | Illarane | crw------- 1 root root 14, 3 Feb 23 2004 /dev/dsp |
| 02:58.03 | Illarane | Something is borked, dear. |
| 02:58.06 | Canna | Azar: yes ive been trying to tell you that HAS been set to alsa the entire time |
| 02:58.10 | jobezone | abrotman: hmm... failed again... Ok, I'll probably try another day.. If it doesn't work again tomorrow, I'll file bugs left and right (Yahoo, Debian, my Mother,etc.) |
| 02:58.17 | Illarane | oh, hahaha |
| 02:58.21 | Illarane | Canna: rm-rf |
| 02:58.23 | Illarane | erm |
| 02:58.23 | Canna | Illarane:please explain |
| 02:58.29 | Illarane | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:58.33 | Stevie | cdrw----- 1 root root 64, 64 Jan 01 1970 /dev/hdc |
| 02:58.37 | Illarane | You've copied /bin/bash or something there |
| 02:58.52 | SimonRaven | rm that file; you'll need to re-do it with mknod or MAKEDEV |
| 02:58.52 | Canna | to /dev/dsp? |
| 02:58.55 | Azar | Canna try again alsamixer, raise the volumes and when done type command alsactl store |
| 02:58.59 | abrotman | jobezone: good plan :) |
| 02:59.05 | Illarane | Well, concatenated several files into /dev/dsp |
| 02:59.17 | SimonRaven | indeed. did all that catting wrong |
| 02:59.20 | Canna | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 02:59.31 | Illarane | Hence why you have no noise; the node can't exist because there's a file there |
| 02:59.34 | jobezone | abrotman: :) no one will be left out |
| 02:59.36 | Azar | Canna apt-get install alsamixer |
| 02:59.38 | Canna | Illarane:if i rm it what do i do after to get it back??? |
| 02:59.41 | Illarane | Canna: Yeah, rm -rf /dev/dsp |
| 02:59.44 | abrotman | jobezone: hit the gentoo bug database too! |
| 02:59.45 | Illarane | man MAKEDEV |
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| 03:00.34 | Canna | MAKDEV /dev/dsp??? |
| 03:01.20 | yxa | hi does anyone actually uses spam databases? |
| 03:01.24 | Canna | i have to go, i rmed it but i need to get it back |
| 03:01.34 | Canna | please someone help me before i have to leave |
| 03:02.03 | Azar | Canna I did not follow your entire settings this evening I am not aware what you got so far |
| 03:02.14 | streuner | Canna: ls -l /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/sound/pci/emu10k1.ko |
| 03:02.46 | Illarane | Canna: /dev/MAKEDEV -N sound should show something |
| 03:03.00 | Illarane | If it looks vaguely right, take the -N out and it'll actually create the device |
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| 03:03.35 | streuner | Canna: ls -l /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/sound/pci/emu10k1 |
| 03:03.38 | Illarane | Then try reprobing the modules, and cat /bin/bash > /dev/dsp to get white noise. |
| 03:03.54 | Azar | well I have to go good night |
| 03:04.00 | streuner | Canna: give us the output of the last command |
| 03:04.31 | Canna | -Nflag unknown |
| 03:04.32 | chillvnc | any reason why "w" or "who" would not display login users |
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| 03:05.12 | streuner | Canna: can you cut and paste? |
| 03:06.07 | chealer | chillvnc: any possibility to see their output? |
| 03:06.36 | chillvnc | chealer: what do you mean ? via /var/log/messages or syslog ? |
| 03:06.47 | SimonRaven | hi chealer |
| 03:06.56 | Canna | streuner: yeah i can but i only have aminute, why whats up |
| 03:07.01 | chealer | hi SimonRaven. how are you? |
| 03:07.01 | dpkg | chealer: pretty good. how about you? |
| 03:07.13 | SimonRaven | chealer: ok. you? |
| 03:07.21 | chealer | SimonRaven: ah, so you've finally turned into a bot. nice to learn that |
| 03:07.27 | Canna | i removed /dev/dsp on advice from someone now i need to get it back with MAKEDEV but i dont understand the man page |
| 03:07.28 | SimonRaven | hehe |
| 03:07.41 | chealer | SimonRaven: I'm OK too, my "reading" week is over |
| 03:07.42 | chillvnc | chealer: i am currently login as root on one of the tty's, and when I do a "w" or "who" I don't even see myself |
| 03:07.55 | chealer | chillvnc: but what do you see instead? |
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| 03:08.08 | SimonRaven | you read my mind =). i saw dpkg say that to you and thought wtf that resembles what the bot said ... |
| 03:08.20 | SimonRaven | chealer: oh yeh? cool |
| 03:08.23 | Canna | ls -l /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/sound/pci/emu10k1 |
| 03:08.23 | Canna | total 128 |
| 03:08.23 | Canna | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 9987 Aug 16 2005 snd-emu10k1-synth.ko |
| 03:08.24 | Canna | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 112301 Aug 16 2005 snd-emu10k1.ko |
| 03:08.24 | Canna | debian:/home/lou# |
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| 03:08.28 | chillvnc | chealer: who returns nothing, just goes back to the prompt |
| 03:08.36 | streuner | sorry, it was my mistake |
| 03:08.59 | chillvnc | chealer : w shows the system resources, the column headings, and then the prompt |
| 03:09.35 | chealer | chillvnc: OK. I don't know, but I'll check now that I know what the situation looks like |
| 03:09.42 | Ronin | Illarane: its only funny the first thousand times you see it happen :) |
| 03:09.52 | Illarane | Ronin: Meh. |
| 03:09.58 | chealer | SimonRaven: yeah, lots of...Debian reading |
| 03:10.04 | Illarane | Auto-kick is really stingy... |
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| 03:10.41 | Illarane | Although it was amusing when dpkg used to lart everyone in the channel list and get kicked. |
| 03:10.56 | abrotman | when was that? |
| 03:11.04 | Illarane | I'm sure I've seen it happen. |
| 03:11.26 | chillvnc | chealer: even "users" doesn't do anything, just returns to the prompt |
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| 03:11.38 | Illarane | using "!lart everyone" or something |
| 03:11.38 | chealer | chillvnc: on which terminal are you logged in? |
| 03:11.53 | chillvnc | chealer: 0 and 1 |
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| 03:12.10 | chealer | chillvnc: 0? tty? |
| 03:12.11 | jobezone | but I can tell you this, once my debian wikimedia commons repository is up, |
| 03:12.26 | chillvnc | chealer: also have X running, so 7 as well, yup |
| 03:12.46 | chealer | SimonRaven: I suppose you're too old for these weeks? what's your job? |
| 03:12.52 | Illarane | chillvnc: Do the terminals in X do the same thing as the kernel ones? |
| 03:13.17 | jobezone | wrong channel |
| 03:13.25 | chillvnc | illarane: yup |
| 03:13.41 | jobezone | wrong app, in fact |
| 03:13.47 | chealer | chillvnc: ok. does $ grep foo /var/run/utmp; where foo is a logged in user match? |
| 03:13.48 | Illarane | jobezone: lol |
| 03:13.51 | abrotman | jobezone: you need a jabber account! |
| 03:13.58 | chillvnc | doesn't matter where I am, it all does the same thing, got me puzzled |
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| 03:15.08 | Ronin | wow icq spam is high tonight, and yes i use icq so no comments please |
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| 03:15.32 | jobezone | yes, I guess. I should before I type more. |
| 03:15.46 | chillvnc | chealer: just shows LOGIN |
| 03:15.52 | jobezone | One day I'm going to paste my root password here, or worse, |
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| 03:16.03 | Illarane | ICQ, how very hippy... :p |
| 03:16.04 | chillvnc | chealer: doesn't have any user in the string |
| 03:16.11 | abrotman | Ronin: eww .. my mom uses icq .. she likes the flowers! |
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| 03:16.23 | jobezone | my adress, phone number, and blood type |
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| 03:16.33 | chillvnc | chealer: even ssh users don't show up |
| 03:16.34 | chealer | chillvnc: just shows LOGIN? what do you mean...that command is supposed to say it matches or output nothing. |
| 03:16.40 | SimonRaven | chealer: unemployed/contract work currently |
| 03:16.45 | abrotman | jobezone: that might get you a date |
| 03:16.48 | psychonate | jobezone, credit card numbers would be more useful ;) |
| 03:16.49 | chillvnc | chealer: outputs nothing |
| 03:16.59 | ultraviolet16 | hi everyone i'm trying to get a pair of usb apple speakers workng on my laptop, how should I redirect my output to them? i don't know how |
| 03:17.05 | ultraviolet16 | i have alsa |
| 03:17.12 | chealer | SimonRaven: oh. as much work as you want or not enough? |
| 03:17.21 | chillvnc | chealer but if you cat utmp no login users are listed |
| 03:17.35 | chillvnc | chealer: lastlog works |
| 03:18.04 | SimonRaven | chealer: more the latter. |
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| 03:19.08 | chealer | chillvnc: lastlog relies on /var/log/lastlog, w on /var/run/utmp. it seems to me that you should check if there's something wrong with utmp |
| 03:19.11 | jobezone | psychonate: only if you want to send me money, cause it's cleaned out :) |
| 03:19.36 | chealer | SimonRaven: OK. so at least you don't miss "reading" weeks too much :) |
| 03:19.44 | jobezone | abrotman, yeah, an on-line date. How I miss those :D |
| 03:19.55 | abrotman | jobezone: try #hottub |
| 03:20.01 | rafael | usb |
| 03:20.09 | abrotman | tarzeau: why didn't you upload briquolo ? |
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| 03:21.46 | ultraviolet16 | what does debian use for hardware detection? |
| 03:21.58 | madona | hi, I have a dependece problem I dont understand |
| 03:21.58 | chillvnc | chealer : k, thanks, looking into it, permissions look fine. |
| 03:22.00 | Illarane | holy_cow: Mooo! |
| 03:22.01 | Canna | im back |
| 03:22.05 | streuner | ultraviolet16: discover |
| 03:22.12 | mentor | discover, mdetect, read-edid, udev... |
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| 03:22.13 | Canna | i guess i got logged off when i pasted that last thing in |
| 03:22.19 | holy_cow | Illarane, hola! |
| 03:22.29 | ultraviolet16 | mentor: how about for a usb audio device |
| 03:22.31 | Illarane | :p |
| 03:22.32 | streuner | Canna: only 2 lines |
| 03:22.49 | Canna | Illarane: i still need to get my /dev/dsp back |
| 03:22.51 | streuner | Canna: more is unwanted here, i didn't tell you |
| 03:22.57 | Canna | streuner: thats all thats allowed at once? |
| 03:23.05 | streuner | Canna: yes |
| 03:23.13 | Illarane | Canna: cd /dev/dsp; ./MAKEDEV -N sound |
| 03:23.27 | Illarane | that should hopefully return something |
| 03:23.37 | Illarane | paste it into http://www.rafb.net/paste/ |
| 03:23.39 | jobezone | ultraviolet16, I think the installer uses discover |
| 03:23.40 | Canna | i cant cd to /dev/dsp because you had me rm it, remember? |
| 03:23.41 | dvm1981 | streuner: Are there not tricks to get more than 2 lines, thinking playing with special caracters? |
| 03:23.51 | Illarane | Canna: Oh bleh, /dev even |
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| 03:23.54 | Gnea | Illarane: /dev/dsp is a file, not a directory |
| 03:24.01 | Gnea | lol |
| 03:24.12 | Illarane | gnea: Shush you, I haven't slept since Sunday. |
| 03:24.32 | madona | I'm trying to install libgeos2c2a. I have installed libgeos2c2 and libpostgis1-pg8.1. (Note that libpostgis1-pg8.1 depends on libgeos2c2 and that libgeos2c2a replaces libgeos2c2). But when I do apt-get install libgeos2c2a it wants to remove libpostgis1-pg8.1. Any help? |
| 03:24.35 | Canna | .udevdb presence implies active udev. Aborting MAKEDEV invocation. |
| 03:24.46 | Gnea | Illarane: freak ;) |
| 03:24.52 | Canna | Illarane: whats that mean? |
| 03:25.05 | Canna | i have time to try one more thing before i have to run again for 10 minutes |
| 03:25.07 | Illarane | Ok, someone that knows what they're talking about can help Canna because I've got no idea what to do now... :p |
| 03:25.33 | chealer | madona: you can't install both libgeos2c2 and its c2a equivalent concurrently. get an up-to-date libpostgis1-pg8.1 instead. |
| 03:25.38 | Canna | shit, Illarane, thats why i asked if you knew how to get me my /dev/dsp back before i listened to you and deleted it!!!! |
| 03:25.47 | Illarane | CAnna, dear. |
| 03:25.57 | Illarane | Your dev/dsp didn't exist in a usable form anyway. |
| 03:26.06 | Canna | that was your take on it |
| 03:26.10 | streuner | true |
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| 03:26.16 | Canna | but it was working about an hour ago |
| 03:26.16 | Illarane | No, that was everyone's take on it |
| 03:26.22 | Canna | and now its gone... period |
| 03:26.42 | streuner | Canna: what does 'dpkg -l udev |
| 03:26.48 | Illarane | You'd written a file either in ASCII or binary format over the top of the device node. It was gone looooong before you removed the hardlink to it. |
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| 03:26.50 | streuner | Canna: ... say? |
| 03:26.52 | cleit0n | ae eu consegui instalar o modem intel 537 no ubuntu, o kppp reconhece tudo mais.. mais na hora de discar fica inicializando o modem.. e num sai disso, alguma dica? |
| 03:27.01 | Canna | im curious as to how it wasnt useable but still i heard white noise coming frommy speakers, it worked |
| 03:27.06 | Illarane | cleit0n: INGLIS, por favor. |
| 03:27.06 | chealer | !tell cleit0n about br |
| 03:27.23 | madona | chealer : I dont want to have libgeos2c2. I wish to have 2c2a instead. And keep libpostgis1-pg8.1 installed |
| 03:27.24 | Canna | ill post it to #flood |
| 03:27.32 | streuner | fine |
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| 03:27.57 | Illarane | Canna: Because at one point it *was* usable. And then you overwrote it with something, and then it wasn't. |
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| 03:28.26 | Canna | how did i overwrite it tho, thats what i dont understand, i did nothing but cat things to it, and im not completely clueless about the commands im running |
| 03:28.33 | chealer | madona: but you said your libpostgis1-pg8.1 depends on libgeos2c2, so you have to choose or get an up-to-date libpostgis1-pg8.1 |
| 03:28.35 | streuner | Illarane: he is using udev... |
| 03:28.38 | crimson | anyone good with wifi |
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| 03:28.48 | Illarane | cat will create a file if the node doesn't exist, |
| 03:28.54 | Gnea | !wifi |
| 03:28.55 | dpkg | it has been said that wifi is a silly name for 802.11b wireless networking. |
| 03:29.03 | Illarane | So /dev/dsp was unloaded or something. |
| 03:29.07 | cleit0n | hi, i install one modem intel537 in ubuntu and kppp say: modem ready... initializing modem... and nothing more, what i do? what wrong? |
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| 03:29.12 | Illarane | Turbo 11g > all |
| 03:29.23 | Canna | ok so basically im screwed |
| 03:29.27 | Gnea | cleit0n: is the phone line plugged in? |
| 03:29.29 | Illarane | cleit0n: Wrong channel, #ubuntu |
| 03:29.35 | streuner | cleit0n: #ubuntu |
| 03:29.37 | Canna | and i should give up |
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| 03:29.41 | madona | chealer: So I cant have libpostgis1-pg8.1 without libgeos2c2 and with 2c2a instead (which is a replace for 2c2)? |
| 03:29.43 | liable | crimson: you will have to ask a meaningfull question before you get an answer.. |
| 03:29.46 | Gnea | !tell cleit0n about ubuntu |
| 03:29.49 | Canna | because the newer install disk didnt work |
| 03:29.51 | Illarane | Canna: No, it is fixable, just I can't help you. |
| 03:29.53 | abrotman | Gnea: NEW AND IMPROVED! |
| 03:30.06 | Gnea | abrotman: THAT'S RIGHT! |
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| 03:30.10 | cleit0n | Illarane: nobare help me there |
| 03:30.20 | abrotman | cleit0n: TOUGH .. go to #ubuntu |
| 03:30.32 | abrotman | for that matter .. try #kubuntu |
| 03:30.38 | chealer | madona: yes, but presumably not with the version you have and which according to you depends on libgeos2c2 |
| 03:30.40 | crimson | i set up nic with ndiswrapper i have an ip from router can see my comps client in routers dhcp clent list but i can not surf the net |
| 03:30.44 | abrotman | since afaik .. gnome doesn't include kppp |
| 03:30.51 | Gnea | abrotman: *sigh* |
| 03:30.53 | Illarane | cleit0n: Maybe that's because no-one f'ing understands what you're actually asking, and anyway, this is for DEBIAN, not Ubuntu. Try #shell |
| 03:30.56 | Gnea | !based on debian |
| 03:30.56 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 03:31.00 | liable | crimson: check resolv.conf |
| 03:31.05 | abrotman | Gnea: i'm a dick .. sue me :) |
| 03:31.11 | crimson | ifcofig and iwconfig say everything is as it should be |
| 03:31.27 | liable | crimson: can you ping the router? |
| 03:31.55 | crimson | nameserer 192.168.2.1 serch belkin |
| 03:31.55 | cleit0n | Illarane: i'm use Debian now.. and ubuntu i'll try install in other computer |
| 03:31.59 | crimson | nope |
| 03:32.09 | crimson | it says not permitted |
| 03:32.16 | Illarane | cleit0n: However, the question is regarding Ubuntu, yes? |
| 03:32.21 | Kerr | I just did an apt-get update/upgrade on my stble box, and it choked on configuring cron.. now i get a weird error. |
| 03:32.24 | Kerr | # /etc/init.d/cron stop |
| 03:32.24 | Kerr | .: 23: Can't open /lib/lsb/init-functions |
| 03:32.28 | Kerr | what gives? |
| 03:32.29 | dfd | plz |
| 03:32.45 | streuner | cleit0n> hi, i install one modem intel537 in ubuntu and kppp say: modem ready... initializing modem... and nothing more, what i do? what wrong? |
| 03:32.55 | mentor | ultraviolet16: Linux will tell userspace that a USB deivce has been connected, probably HAL/DBUS will pick it up. Hopefully a driver would be loaded... |
| 03:32.55 | madona | chealer: but postgis1-pg8.1 says it depends on libgeos2c2 without specifying any version |
| 03:32.57 | liable | crimson: check the route |
| 03:33.09 | mentor | ultraviolet16: whether anything actually uses it or not is anohter matter. |
| 03:33.23 | crimson | check the router |
| 03:33.34 | mentor | ultraviolet16: You'll have to check the permissions are right. group: audi usually |
| 03:33.51 | chealer | madona: so the version of postgis1-pg8.1 you're talking about is not up-to-date, or if it is, needs to be transitionned to the new C++ allocator |
| 03:33.53 | ultraviolet16 | mentor: it wasn't loaded, i added to modprobe.d/sound manually |
| 03:34.28 | liable | crimson: no, route. |
| 03:34.33 | madona | chealer: ah I dont know about taht |
| 03:34.44 | SimonRaven | Kerr: missing lsb-* packages |
| 03:35.31 | madona | chealer: Is there any way I could solve this? without an upgrade of libpostgis1-pg8.1 which doesnt exist yet? |
| 03:36.23 | chealer | madona: I would first look at where you get libpostgis1-pg8.1 from, since it doesn't seem to be from Debian. |
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| 03:37.06 | glimmung | knoppix is a variant of debian right? |
| 03:37.11 | Kerr | SimonRaven: how did that happen? everything was working fine a minute ago. |
| 03:37.15 | Kerr | !knoppix |
| 03:37.15 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandriva is redhat. don't forget to ask me about <Based On Debian> |
| 03:37.47 | glimmung | yikes |
| 03:37.56 | Kerr | ya :) |
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| 03:41.07 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 03:42.10 | madona | chealer: aha ok, now I remember It was unoficial |
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| 03:46.06 | cr3 | if I set my home with read-only permissions, is there anything I can do about programs like fetchmail that create files in my home like .fetchmail.pid? can I somehow have a list of exceptional files that can be written? |
| 03:46.25 | abrotman | nope |
| 03:47.54 | cr3 | abrotman: darn, it would really be nice to set my home with read-only permissions, it would prevent all kinds of applications from writing there without my explicit permission :) |
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| 03:48.33 | Illarane | cr3: chmod +r-wx /home/blah and then read/write the fils you want to be able to be written to? |
| 03:48.38 | abrotman | cr3: or you could not run those apps :) |
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| 03:49.16 | abrotman | yeah .. but that's a pain .. he wants to have a list of programs that can write .. but leave it ro most of the time |
| 03:49.18 | cr3 | Illarane: those files are created and then removed on each invocation though |
| 03:49.26 | sparr | does any debian install cd include nvidia (not nv) drivers? even a third party disc? |
| 03:49.32 | dvm1981 | cr3: I'm curious, why you want that? |
| 03:49.33 | Organs | So hey....I'm having trouble with GRUB 1.5 not showing me my Windows partition. The GNOME Boot Configuration Utility won't let me add it, either. Help? |
| 03:50.08 | Illarane | cr3: Bleh... |
| 03:50.26 | cr3 | dvm1981: because my home is actually an encrypted partition of a limited size, it could also be a usb drive for that matter, and I need to be careful of the nonsense that is being written there. |
| 03:50.58 | dvm1981 | cr3: Hhhmm, |
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| 03:53.48 | karrot-x | has anyone here experienced a fam open error when trying to compile maildrop on debian sarge ? |
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| 03:55.16 | Canna | if my /dev/dsp is gone, how can I get it back if MAKEDEV is not working because i have udev installed |
| 03:55.37 | stew | Canna: modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 03:56.16 | Canna | what will that do? |
| 03:56.46 | Canna | i ran that before |
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| 03:57.16 | stew | Canna: /dev/dsp is the oss interface, snd-pcm-oss is the oss compatibility layer that lets alsa drivers pretend they are oss |
| 03:57.16 | Canna | but ok did it again, but my /dev/dsp is still gone |
| 03:57.19 | dvs | !seen Canna |
| 03:57.19 | dpkg | canna is currently on #debian (35m 35s). Has said a total of 22 messages. Is idling for 3s |
| 03:57.22 | Acid`X | !ping |
| 03:57.22 | dpkg | pong |
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| 03:57.55 | stew | Canna: do you have snd-cs42xx or whatever loaded? |
| 03:58.04 | dvs | Canna: Haven't rebooted yet? |
| 03:58.13 | Canna | ok, but Illarene told me to rm /dev/dsp so now how can i get it back |
| 03:58.25 | Canna | yes |
| 03:58.33 | Canna | all the modules have been loaded |
| 03:58.38 | Canna | and reloaded |
| 03:58.57 | stew | Canna: remove and readd snd-pcm-oss or restart udev |
| 03:59.08 | Canna | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:59.21 | dvs | Canna: in /dev as root, MAKEDEV dsp |
| 03:59.37 | stew | dvs: with udev? |
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| 03:59.55 | dvs | stew: Oh? udev? Ok nevermind. |
| 03:59.58 | Illarane | dvs: He'd managed to replace /dev/dsp with an actual file. |
| 04:00.05 | Illarane | How, though, fuck knows... :p |
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| 04:04.39 | Canna | dvs: i cant use makedev because of udev |
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| 04:04.50 | dvs | Canna: Yeah, stew told me |
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| 04:05.24 | karrot-x | is there a known problem with fam and debian? |
| 04:05.27 | Canna | and no, i didnt replace /dev/dsp with an actual file, at least not with any command ive ever heard of |
| 04:05.32 | streuner | Canna: so what's hard to get rid of udev, run MAKEDEV and re-install necessary GNOME packages? |
| 04:05.37 | karrot-x | and the gcc compiler version shipped with 3.1? |
| 04:05.38 | Canna | so its impossible to get my /dev/dsp back? |
| 04:05.44 | streuner | Canna: NO |
| 04:05.46 | dvs | Canna: I agree with streuner |
| 04:05.47 | Cplusminus | Hi all. Does a debian server on boot up ever report: "an application has performed an illegal operation" on startup? |
| 04:05.58 | Canna | in order to remove udev i need to remove gnome |
| 04:06.03 | dvs | Canna: no |
| 04:06.03 | streuner | Canna: of course its possible |
| 04:06.09 | Canna | im running gnome right now to use IRC |
| 04:06.20 | streuner | Canna: well... |
| 04:06.39 | streuner | Canna: get rid of it and come back |
| 04:06.52 | Canna | and i cant be deleting my whole desktop manager then running MAKEDEV and not knowing how to use it,or why it isnt working |
| 04:06.55 | Phated | Heh. |
| 04:07.12 | dvs | Phated: Heh? |
| 04:07.18 | streuner | Canna: why not? |
| 04:07.23 | Phated | "get rid of it and come back" |
| 04:07.41 | Canna | ok so the command MAKEDEV from root in /dev/ will do everything i need, magically???? thats all i need to know? |
| 04:07.49 | streuner | Phated: un-nessary parts of GNOME |
| 04:07.49 | lazzarello | there appears to be two drivers for my wireless chipset in the kernel. hostap_cs and the prism2 driver in linux-wlan-ng. which it the right one? |
| 04:07.55 | dvs | Canna: MAKEDEV dsp to make /dev/dsp |
| 04:07.56 | streuner | Phated: udev... |
| 04:08.07 | Phated | Yeh, fair 'nuff. |
| 04:08.19 | Canna | ok |
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| 04:08.58 | Cplusminus | Does a debian server on boot up ever report: "an application has performed an illegal operation" on startup? |
| 04:09.39 | nevyn | Cplusminus: no... |
| 04:09.46 | Cplusminus | thanks |
| 04:09.53 | nevyn | Cplusminus: why? |
| 04:10.01 | nevyn | Cplusminus: well it could... |
| 04:10.07 | Cplusminus | when? |
| 04:10.16 | Cplusminus | before the root prompt? |
| 04:10.18 | Cplusminus | login? |
| 04:10.22 | nevyn | sure |
| 04:10.35 | nevyn | you can do anything with a little effort |
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| 04:10.43 | Cplusminus | it's not with effort |
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| 04:10.48 | Cplusminus | i am talking about standard |
| 04:10.50 | nevyn | Cplusminus: it's not a kernel error message |
| 04:10.54 | Cplusminus | thanks |
| 04:10.58 | karrot-x | is there a way to specify where a specific lib is? |
| 04:11.01 | karrot-x | when using make |
| 04:11.12 | Cplusminus | because I have this server running debian and the provider is saying my server is showing this an application has performed an illegal operation |
| 04:11.13 | Canna | didnt work |
| 04:11.23 | Canna | MAKEDEV doesnt know how to make device dsp |
| 04:11.32 | Cplusminus | obviously they have mixed up the servers |
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| 04:11.41 | nevyn | karrot-x: read up on ld's env variables. |
| 04:11.42 | streuner | Canna: did you try cd /dev and MAKEDEV? |
| 04:11.46 | Canna | yes |
| 04:11.54 | nevyn | karrot-x: LD_PREFIX can be handy |
| 04:11.54 | Canna | MAKEDEV by itself runs but does nothing |
| 04:12.07 | Canna | MAKEDEV dsp runs and it says it doesnt know how to make dsp |
| 04:12.09 | streuner | Canna: still udev installed? |
| 04:12.09 | dvs | Canna: you mean you saw no output? |
| 04:12.21 | Canna | no udev is uninstalled or else it would not even run |
| 04:12.22 | nevyn | Cplusminus: it could be a broken geek <-> english translator |
| 04:12.37 | nevyn | Cplusminus: it's possible your code is broken |
| 04:12.45 | Canna | yes i saw no output when I tried MAKEDEV alone, however /dev/dsp is still not there |
| 04:13.05 | streuner | Canna: ok, just modprobe the sound-module |
| 04:13.51 | Canna | which one? snd_cs46xx? |
| 04:13.55 | streuner | Canna: modprobe snd-cs46xx |
| 04:14.12 | Canna | from root or my user? |
| 04:14.27 | streuner | Canna: as root |
| 04:14.47 | karrot-x | nevyn: maybe i should be more forward with my problem, i need to specify the compiler to use libfam.so not libfam.a |
| 04:14.51 | Canna | ok done |
| 04:14.57 | karrot-x | i dont think LD_PREFIX is what i want, or is it? |
| 04:15.01 | Canna | but /dev/dsp is still non-existent |
| 04:15.07 | streuner | Canna: show us the output of 'lsmod' in #flood |
| 04:15.10 | dvs | Canna: you need snd_pcm_oss too |
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| 04:15.36 | Canna | streuner from root or no? |
| 04:15.56 | Canna | ok i modprobed both modules |
| 04:16.01 | stew | Canna: what directory were you in when you ran MAKEDEV? |
| 04:16.05 | dvs | Canna: is it there now? |
| 04:16.20 | Canna | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:16.30 | Canna | i dont see how modprobe will add that |
| 04:16.36 | Canna | i was in /dev/ |
| 04:16.37 | dvs | Canna: udev does |
| 04:16.40 | Canna | and i was root stew |
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| 04:17.04 | Canna | well udev is gone i removed it along with gnome because eveyone here told me that was the only way they could help me |
| 04:17.34 | streuner | Canna: show us the output of 'lsmod' in #flood |
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| 04:18.28 | streuner | wired |
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| 04:18.52 | Canna | ok i pasted the output in flood |
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| 04:19.52 | streuner | fuck |
| 04:19.56 | dvs | Canna: There's no snd_cs46xx |
| 04:20.12 | dvs | Oh, Canna got kicked |
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| 04:20.15 | dvs | !paster |
| 04:20.15 | streuner | dvs: so he hasn't that installed? |
| 04:20.17 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 04:20.26 | Canna | back |
| 04:20.28 | Canna | and im not pasting it a 3rd time |
| 04:20.30 | dvs | Canna: Use the paster |
| 04:20.33 | dvs | !paster |
| 04:20.33 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
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| 04:24.19 | Canna | i get it now im supposed to link to the paster page |
| 04:24.47 | Canna | ok, i deleted udev and still no one can tell me how touse makedev to get my /dev/dsp back |
| 04:25.07 | ACU | Hi guys - few basic questions - when is the new version of Debian going to be started? ---- I have a Apple G4 --- interestingly I can install ubuntu but not debian --- I was thinking the cause maybe the kernel --- any thoughts ? |
| 04:25.16 | Canna | im at the point now where it would have most def been quicker to just start over |
| 04:25.20 | dvs | Canna: You can do it manually. |
| 04:25.27 | Canna | how |
| 04:26.18 | Canna | anyone? |
| 04:26.38 | Canna | streuner: u there? |
| 04:27.11 | dvs | Canna: mknod c /dev/dsp 14 3 |
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| 04:31.55 | Nwallins|home | hello, i am trying to compile tcpflow on etch, and i get this error (not sure what to do): cd . && automake --gnu --include-deps Makefile |
| 04:31.55 | Nwallins|home | configure.in:3: your implementation of AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE comes from an old Automake version. You should recreate aclocal.m4 with aclocal and run automake again. |
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| 04:32.37 | Nwallins|home | (this is after `apt-get source tcpflow`) |
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| 04:34.40 | Nwallins|home | gee, it's worse than i thought :/ |
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| 04:35.26 | Nwallins|home | my 'compile' command is `dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b` |
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| 04:36.08 | Nwallins|home | this has worked previously, though I recently did apt-get update && upgrade |
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| 04:37.06 | Nwallins|home | wow, this is a first <takes screenshot> |
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| 04:38.10 | lazzarello | Nwallins|home, start with a manual ./configure in the source dir |
| 04:38.16 | VulpesFoxnik | The new firefox package seems to be broken |
| 04:38.16 | streuner | !tell Edgardoweb about away |
| 04:38.22 | sys0p | leave |
| 04:38.24 | Nwallins|home | lazzarello: whew! on it |
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| 04:38.26 | lazzarello | and check debian/control for the build-deps |
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| 04:38.42 | VulpesFoxnik | I can't open up any file related dialoges |
| 04:38.47 | VulpesFoxnik | without i crashing |
| 04:38.48 | Nwallins|home | lazzarello: no errors |
| 04:39.00 | lazzarello | Nwallins|home, have you tried 'apt-get build-dep <package> ? |
| 04:39.04 | efaistos | does someone use E17 ? do you know where to put new themes ? |
| 04:39.16 | Nwallins|home | lazzarello: maybe that's it... one sec |
| 04:39.41 | Nwallins|home | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 15 not upgraded. |
| 04:40.03 | VulpesFoxnik | !deb Firefox |
| 04:40.19 | lazzarello | maybe you got unlucky and you need one of those 15 not upgraded? |
| 04:40.29 | Nwallins|home | i have had this installed on my system for a while, hacked source and made bin from dpkg... sent my patch upstream and is supposedly in etch, but it's really not, so i need to hack source again and compile |
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| 04:40.51 | Nwallins|home | i didn't back up my old bin, so i'm up shit creek right now |
| 04:41.08 | lazzarello | sucky |
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| 04:41.26 | dvm1981_ | Somebody what is 'netKKKops', i have ask on the best friend and Wikipedia, but without any good result |
| 04:41.32 | lazzarello | if it's just an automake version that shouldn't be too hard? |
| 04:41.34 | Nwallins|home | i'll try make && make install |
| 04:41.36 | dn4 | I wonder what would happen if someone was named nickserve and had all people identifying their passwords to that alias |
| 04:41.52 | Nwallins|home | lazzarello: automake is greek to me |
| 04:41.56 | dn4 | I know I would of given away my password a few times accidently because nickserv is close to server |
| 04:42.08 | lazzarello | me too, but I know there are many different versions. all incompatible. |
| 04:42.09 | Nwallins|home | lazzarello: i am reasonably familiar with ./configure && make && make install |
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| 04:42.42 | matadon | I've got a drive with a very trashed ext3 filesystem that I'm trying to pull data out of, but I can't seem to find *any* good backup superblocks -- do RAID volumes have an offset for these things? |
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| 04:42.56 | dn4 | commands on a command line are like combos for killer instinct |
| 04:43.00 | Nwallins|home | ha |
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| 04:43.38 | Nwallins|home | || is like a defensive manuever |
| 04:44.11 | caffei | is there any app that I can use to make a list of files accessed by a certain prog? |
| 04:44.20 | lazzarello | caffei, lsof |
| 04:44.36 | caffei | lazzarello, I want to make a list of every file accessed though, and lsof can't do that afaict |
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| 04:44.47 | dn4 | what is a canucks? |
| 04:44.54 | lazzarello | caffei, lsof | grep <program> |
| 04:45.13 | Nwallins|home | hmm.. `apt-get install automake` is looking promising... |
| 04:45.17 | caffei | lazzarello, that won't work -- the app might close some files and open others, etc. so it'd be an incomplete list. |
| 04:45.17 | lazzarello | look for the files it's writing and reading to |
| 04:45.46 | lazzarello | caffei, you mean every file the program will access, ever, at any time? I think you have to read the source for that. |
| 04:45.46 | caffei | lazzarello, I want to just make a list of every file accessed by that app during the whole time the app runs. |
| 04:46.00 | caffei | lazzarello, it should be possible to do what I want to do without source access o_O |
| 04:46.25 | lazzarello | you can't tell what file a program needs while it's running unless it is using that file. unless you can read minds. |
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| 04:46.43 | useruser | caffei: strace |
| 04:46.46 | caffei | lazzarello, hrm, make strace or ltrace and grep for file open ... |
| 04:46.48 | lazzarello | caffei, you can run ldd on the binary and lsof on the libraries it needs. |
| 04:46.55 | caffei | useruser, yeah, just thought of that :D |
| 04:46.56 | Nwallins|home | motherhumper: cd . && /bin/sh ./config.status Makefile; Usage: ./config.status [--recheck] [--version] [--help]; make[1]: *** Makefile] Error 1; <-- after `dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b` |
| 04:47.13 | caffei | lazzarello, I'm not talking about libs |
| 04:47.23 | lazzarello | libs are files too :) |
| 04:47.40 | caffei | true, but it's easy to figure out what libs a prog accesses, for the most part =P |
| 04:47.43 | useruser | strace -eopen, what more is needed? |
| 04:47.46 | caffei | barring dlopen() |
| 04:47.58 | Nwallins|home | `make` gives same error i'm clueless |
| 04:48.11 | caffei | useruser, that looks like exactly what I wanted. thanks :) |
| 04:48.14 | lazzarello | Nwallins|home, sounds like the debian/rules file is fux0red |
| 04:48.26 | lazzarello | or better yet, the Makefile |
| 04:48.44 | beered | My video card is report by Windows native drivers to have 16MB, lspci report 128MB. Why is there discrepancy? |
| 04:48.54 | Nwallins|home | well, i'm getting usage() so maybe it's a simple cmd line syntax error? |
| 04:49.45 | Nwallins|home | it looks like ./config.status is expecting an implicit rather than explicit 'Makefile' |
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| 04:53.09 | Nwallins|home | any idea where to find the call to `./config.status Makefile`? there's lots of matches to config.status in Makefile |
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| 04:54.00 | Nwallins|home | how would Makefile refer to its own filename? 'config.status Makefile' isn't found |
| 04:54.25 | matadon | Is there any command like 'super' on Solaris for finding superblocks on a trashed ext3 volume? |
| 04:54.25 | lazzarello | no idea, sorry. |
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| 04:55.25 | Nwallins|home | lazzarello: do you know a clean way to install just the tcpflow package from sarge? |
| 04:55.38 | Nwallins|home | err.. tcpflow source |
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| 04:56.02 | Nwallins|home | hmm... i don't know if this automake issue will bite me regardless of version |
| 04:56.42 | lazzarello | Nwallins|home, apt-get source tcpflow ? |
| 04:56.56 | lazzarello | errr, I mean apt-get install tcpflow ? |
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| 04:57.15 | lazzarello | it's on my sarge system? |
| 04:57.17 | dvm1981_ | I have found an strange page where there are my email adress http://groups.google.be/group/alt.test/msg/be4c13524f08670a? Someone know what is 'Netkkkops' ? |
| 04:57.20 | Nwallins|home | yeah, guess just change sources.list... i'm on etch |
| 04:57.20 | lazzarello | on yours? |
| 04:57.27 | useruser | Nwallins|home: what command are you using the build the deb? |
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| 04:57.32 | Nwallins|home | hmm.. that wouldn't really help |
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| 04:57.39 | Nwallins|home | useruser: one sec |
| 04:57.41 | lazzarello | Nwallins|home, you can also download the upstream tarball and try that |
| 04:57.56 | Nwallins|home | `dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b` |
| 04:58.02 | useruser | Nwallins|home: ok |
| 04:58.10 | useruser | Nwallins|home: i usually run fakeroot debian/rules binary |
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| 04:58.20 | useruser | Nwallins|home: you way is probably more "correct", though :) |
| 04:58.34 | Nwallins|home | useruser: this is new territory for me, i copied from some reference |
| 04:58.44 | useruser | Nwallins|home: ok, try my method |
| 04:58.48 | Nwallins|home | sure |
| 04:58.50 | lazzarello | Nwallins|home, the new maintainers guide? |
| 04:58.56 | useruser | Nwallins|home: you did use apt-get source, right? |
| 04:59.10 | Nwallins|home | i dunno, i think it was the debian reference about using src debs |
| 04:59.17 | Nwallins|home | useruser: yeah |
| 04:59.41 | useruser | Nwallins|home: prolly a good idea to remove the working directory and run apt-get source again to make sure there's nothing bad left around |
| 04:59.43 | dvm1981_ | I was Google to find some old info off an old Usenet msg and was fall to that site. But i not know what is NetKKops :-( |
| 05:00.03 | Nwallins|home | useruser: ok, sure |
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| 05:00.36 | yos87 | I install arabic font to my debian font, but it still does not support it, how to make it support arabic ? |
| 05:01.03 | Nwallins|home | useruser: ok, so i make my edit, and what is your way to get a binary? |
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| 05:02.04 | Nwallins|home | useruser: interesting, the src here looks different from my earlier view and behavior! |
| 05:02.34 | Nwallins|home | i must have introduced some ambiguity somewhere |
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| 05:04.05 | yos87 | !hi |
| 05:04.05 | dpkg | hello, yos87 |
| 05:04.11 | Nwallins|home | woo, sweet, the dpkg command worked... good call useruser |
| 05:04.29 | yos87 | (^^) |
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| 05:07.16 | yos87 | ! tell yos87 about arabic support |
| 05:07.17 | Canna | this is rediculous |
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| 05:07.41 | Canna | ive been trying for 6 hours to get sound working, 5 of which ive been doing anything someone in here suggested, im about to lose it |
| 05:08.01 | dvm1981_ | yos87: locales? |
| 05:08.02 | Illarane | Canna: Welcome to the world of fault diagnosis. |
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| 05:09.12 | yos87 | dvm1981_: what do you mean "locales"? |
| 05:09.53 | dvm1981 | yos87: That you need to setup you're locale setings |
| 05:10.06 | dvm1981 | yos87: Let's search |
| 05:10.53 | dvm1981 | yos87: Type the command 'locale' |
| 05:11.32 | KinxofSepluv | I updated to Firefox 1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.1-4 Firefox/1.5.0.1 and now it is constantly crashing with a console error of "Bus Error" |
| 05:11.50 | yos87 | dvm1981: i type locate in root, i this it's for search |
| 05:11.55 | dvm1981 | yos87: You're system need to know wich locale to use |
| 05:11.59 | KinxofSepluv | I even deleted my profiles and plugins and purged it. It still crashes every time I try to open or save a file |
| 05:12.05 | dvm1981 | yos87: ^^^ |
| 05:12.27 | yos87 | dvm1981: you mean font folder? |
| 05:12.34 | dvm1981 | yos87: 'locale' |
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| 05:12.41 | dvm1981 | yos87: Not 'locate' |
| 05:12.48 | jugglinx | did someone know how to set up a session save path in joomla ( and in a remote server where i havent ssh acess) ? |
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| 05:13.17 | dooglus | does anyone know how to select a keyboard layout in a virtual console? |
| 05:13.20 | KinxofSepluv | Anyone? |
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| 05:13.33 | yos87 | dvm1981: I have a list |
| 05:13.38 | dooglus | my | key comes out as > - I think it must be set up for a US keyboard |
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| 05:13.56 | dvm1981 | yos87: So yo see wish language are actually used, i supose arabic is not there? |
| 05:14.13 | yos87 | dvm1981: not there |
| 05:14.14 | Spudchat | hi, i was wondering how the generic sound card support for debian is |
| 05:14.27 | yos87 | dvm1981: how to add |
| 05:14.34 | Spudchat | im looking to buy this card http://www.krex.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=1188 |
| 05:14.41 | dvm1981 | yos87: So the system need to know to use that. Right, thinking how to :-/ i not remember at first instance :-/ |
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| 05:15.09 | dvm1981 | yos87: 'man locale' give all a bit more informations, to begin from there .... |
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| 05:15.18 | KinxofSepluv | Spudchat: You can use ALSA or OSS |
| 05:15.42 | Spudchat | for that card in particular though? |
| 05:15.50 | Spudchat | sorry, im still learnin debian |
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| 05:16.05 | KinxofSepluv | It's sort of an all in one package for Linux |
| 05:16.12 | Spudchat | ok cool |
| 05:16.14 | linoleum | hello, which format is the best for icons : SVG or PNG ? |
| 05:16.16 | KinxofSepluv | You need to apt-get install alsa |
| 05:16.33 | Spudchat | ive got alsa allready, but the sound card in the machine is going bad |
| 05:16.43 | Spudchat | its making funny staticy noises |
| 05:16.50 | KinxofSepluv | and then have to run the configurer |
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| 05:17.04 | KinxofSepluv | Spud do you have a cellphone? |
| 05:17.10 | Spudchat | nope :) |
| 05:17.15 | caffei | linoleum, svg is more scaleable, being a vector image format. if you have high-enough res png icons, then it shouldn't matter though. |
| 05:17.18 | KinxofSepluv | ok then it's not that lol |
| 05:17.22 | Spudchat | lol |
| 05:17.40 | dvm1981 | yos87: 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' |
| 05:17.44 | KinxofSepluv | I assume your using ALSA mixer or somehting of the like |
| 05:17.56 | Spudchat | yeah |
| 05:18.07 | dvm1981 | yos87: In that long list, you need to select the good ones... |
| 05:18.12 | KinxofSepluv | You have a microphone attached or a tv tunner? |
| 05:18.26 | yos87 | dvm1981: this much better then man |
| 05:18.44 | Spudchat | naw, all that machine has is ethernet, power and a monitor |
| 05:18.48 | yos87 | dvm1981: Can I select all? |
| 05:19.04 | KinxofSepluv | So It's an onboard sound? |
| 05:19.16 | dvm1981 | yos87: No guy :-) man is really great. Select all is verry overkill and need many space for nothings!!! |
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| 05:19.18 | Spudchat | no, its pci but i think the card is going bad |
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| 05:19.33 | dvm1981 | yos87: Just install what you need. |
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| 05:19.39 | dvm1981 | s/install/select |
| 05:19.54 | KinxofSepluv | So It's working at least I take it |
| 05:20.04 | yos87 | dvm1981: but in windows you can open any language web page and it show it up clear |
| 05:20.05 | Spudchat | yeah, but the noise it makes is horrible |
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| 05:20.15 | myren_ | i compiled and installed an additional module, but modprobe doesnt detect it. i think there's some mod-map that needs updating, does anyone know how to do that without rebooting? |
| 05:20.22 | dn4 | what is the GMT time? |
| 05:20.23 | dvm1981 | yos87: M$ use many space for nothing!!! |
| 05:20.25 | dn4 | 17:20 ? |
| 05:20.36 | Spudchat | like cellophane crinkling, the reason i think its dying is because it just started making that noise |
| 05:20.40 | Spudchat | it used to work fine |
| 05:20.52 | streuner | dn4: -1 here |
| 05:20.56 | streuner | Mi Mär 15 06:20:54 CET 2006 |
| 05:21.12 | dn4 | it is 23:21 here |
| 05:21.21 | dn4 | is that +or - 6 GMT |
| 05:22.04 | dn4 | +6 |
| 05:22.09 | KinxofSepluv | If you need to check on a card's Linux compliance I sudjest you go here if you are shopping for a new card to check the compatablity: |
| 05:22.12 | dn4 | which makes hawaii @ 19:22 |
| 05:22.13 | KinxofSepluv | http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/index.php?vendor=All#matrixhttp://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/index.php?vendor=All#matrix |
| 05:22.23 | dn4 | Los Angles @ 21:22 |
| 05:22.35 | KinxofSepluv | Other than that Spudchat, I'd check your fans |
| 05:22.36 | Spudchat | ok thanks a bunch |
| 05:22.45 | Spudchat | the fans? |
| 05:22.52 | dn4 | Chicago @ 23:22 New York @ 00:22 Caracas 01:23 |
| 05:23.00 | KinxofSepluv | A bad fan can create a em field that would do essentualy what cellphones do |
| 05:23.09 | dvm1981 | !tell yos87 about arabic |
| 05:23.10 | dn4 | Rio De Janeiro @ 02:23 |
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| 05:23.19 | dn4 | GMT time = 05:23 |
| 05:23.21 | KinxofSepluv | I've had it happen |
| 05:23.25 | dvm1981 | find it :-) |
| 05:23.40 | Spudchat | interesting...ill check into that |
| 05:23.43 | KinxofSepluv | One of my fan puts interferance through my TV tuner |
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| 05:23.56 | KinxofSepluv | Mind you It's a preaty powerfull fan |
| 05:24.18 | KinxofSepluv | I'd check the case fan by the processor first |
| 05:24.24 | yos87 | dvm1981: Thanks for nice link |
| 05:24.48 | tonsofpcs | it's a magnet next to a rf demodulator, what do you expect to happen? |
| 05:24.57 | KinxofSepluv | It's the only one thats close enough to the pci cards to create a disturbance |
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| 05:25.20 | dvm1981 | yos87: Thanks 'dpkg' finaly i asked to him, he is a really great one. I used the keyword 'arabic' only to dpkg |
| 05:25.54 | KinxofSepluv | :\ Don't update firefox. The new version is borked |
| 05:26.04 | yos87 | ! Thank you |
| 05:26.19 | KinxofSepluv | Mine keeps crashing with a Bus Error whenever I try to open or save a file |
| 05:26.45 | dvm1981 | KinxofSepluv: In Testing, unstable?? |
| 05:27.06 | KinxofSepluv | dvm1981: I have synaptic set to testing prefered |
| 05:27.20 | KinxofSepluv | dvm1981: It should be testing |
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| 05:27.34 | KinxofSepluv | let me double check |
| 05:27.48 | unix_infidel | what do you guys use to manage your wireless connections (automatically) |
| 05:28.10 | lazzarello | unix_infidel, heh, kismet |
| 05:28.12 | dvm1981 | KinxofSepluv: I have not an mixed one. I power an virtual machine an see in testing to try to see what happend |
| 05:28.20 | lazzarello | or Windows |
| 05:28.21 | Canna | i have a wireless iPAQ running pocketpc so you dont want my help |
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| 05:30.12 | KinxofSepluv | dvm1981, Sorry about the delay. this matchine is only 300mhz |
| 05:30.28 | matadon | Well, it looks like I won't be buying Maxtor drives ever again. |
| 05:30.31 | KinxofSepluv | dvm1981, It says unstable |
| 05:30.32 | dvm1981 | KinxofSepluv: No matters ;-) im slow enought :-) |
| 05:30.38 | Canna | ok, anyone else have any ideas about my audio, i can cat white noise, and i can use xmms sucessfully if i start it from a root shell, but other than that it wont work, and my user IS in the audio group |
| 05:30.40 | markybob | unix_infidel, http://www.gnome.org/projects/NetworkManager/ |
| 05:30.54 | dvm1981 | KinxofSepluv: So now you have an anwer on you're problem |
| 05:31.14 | KinxofSepluv | dvm1981, But I don't want to go back to 1.07 |
| 05:31.15 | dvm1981 | KinxofSepluv: Sometimes things goes wrong for an time in Unstable... |
| 05:31.52 | dvm1981 | KinxofSepluv: Have you look at the bugs? |
| 05:32.30 | KinxofSepluv | dvm1981, the Mozilla bug manager, not yet |
| 05:32.43 | unix_infidel | markybob: does the program autodetect? |
| 05:32.49 | markybob | unix_infidel, yes |
| 05:32.51 | matadon | *sigh* One raid, two hardware failures at the same time on both drives in a mirror. |
| 05:32.56 | KinxofSepluv | dvm1981, I'll just backdate for now and hopefully it will go away |
| 05:33.11 | unix_infidel | i'd like to setup a script or something that looks at available wireless networks and it sees one of the two it issues the appropriate iwconfig and dhclient commands. |
| 05:33.32 | unix_infidel | instead of me having to use kcmwifi every time to setup the stuff. |
| 05:33.45 | dvm1981 | KinxofSepluv: Yes, or looking if there are an open bug, or signalate it to Debian developpers, so he could search, find and fix the problem |
| 05:34.07 | KinxofSepluv | Anyone here know how to make a Radeon 7000 Work using the ATI drivers on Xorg? |
| 05:34.19 | KinxofSepluv | dvm1981, I'm not quite sure how to do that |
| 05:34.30 | markybob | unix_infidel, i told you it does what you want. go read up on it |
| 05:34.42 | unix_infidel | markybob: know of any kde apps that do the same thign? |
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| 05:35.00 | KinxofSepluv | dvm1981, Besides, I need a browser first that works. Then I can take the 30 minutes it will take this matchine to post the error |
| 05:35.19 | dvm1981 | KinxofSepluv: 'reportbug' in an console, an see if there are an knowing bug about it. If not, come again here where there are more people to ensure it's been an bug... |
| 05:35.25 | markybob | unix_infidel, "The most important pieces of NetworkManager are desktop-environment and distribution agnostic, functioning just as well in Gnome, KDE, Xfce, etc." please go read |
| 05:35.42 | dvm1981 | s/where/when |
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| 05:37.48 | dvm1981 | ^^ |
| 05:38.05 | dvm1981 | Cable was out, and im looking what goes wrong |
| 05:38.10 | dvm1981 | The cable!!! |
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| 05:38.43 | Canna | time to finally smoke this weed, afterwards i bet i solve this problem by myself ;-) |
| 05:39.02 | dvm1981 | KinxofSepluv: Use the Konqueror or so?? |
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| 05:39.36 | dvm1981 | Why konqueror has two names?? conqueror |
| 05:40.29 | dvm1981 | s/conqueror/conquer it's looks so |
| 05:40.44 | KinxofSepluv | dvm1981, I don't have kde installed on this system |
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| 05:41.29 | dvm1981 | KinxofSepluv: Use then 'Dillo' or so. 'lynx' in console, i not know what you have there on you're system :-? |
| 05:41.54 | dvm1981 | KinxofSepluv: 'Mozilla-firefox'?? |
| 05:42.04 | KinxofSepluv | dvm1981, I'm currently doing the "reportbug firefox" |
| 05:42.06 | dvm1981 | I forget to mention my most used one :-/ |
| 05:42.21 | dvm1981 | KinxofSepluv: Are sure it's an bug! |
| 05:42.25 | Tsukihime | what is more recommendable to use Koffice or Oppenoffice?? |
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| 05:42.39 | dvm1981 | Ooo |
| 05:42.53 | dvm1981 | Tsukihime: ^^ |
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| 05:43.08 | dvm1981 | Tsukihime: OpenOffice.org |
| 05:43.12 | Tsukihime | dvm1981what? i am just asking =) |
| 05:43.42 | dvm1981 | Tsukihime: OpenOffice 'tout court' |
| 05:44.00 | Tsukihime | dvm1981 okey thx =O |
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| 05:46.28 | KinxofSepluv | dvm1981, Wow allot of people have my problem |
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| 05:46.45 | KinxofSepluv | There are about 5 reports relating to the same error |
| 05:47.01 | dvm1981 | KinxofSepluv: Bwa voila ;-) |
| 05:47.07 | KinxofSepluv | Ithink it may have to do with the GTK interface in firefox |
| 05:47.26 | KinxofSepluv | I managed to make a simular problem for myself when I was hacking the filechooser.js |
| 05:47.33 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 05:47.34 | dpkg | somebody said popcon was the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 05:47.39 | dvm1981 | KinxofSepluv: If you can find the problem, try to make an path or so. It's really easy to say that :-/ |
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| 05:48.02 | Phlexonance | which command is capable of extracting splitted rars? |
| 05:48.12 | dvm1981 | tarzeau: Watching an video ? :-) |
| 05:48.24 | Phated | Phlexonance: Just use unrar on the first file. |
| 05:49.07 | tarzeau | dvm1981: na. going to the dentist |
| 05:49.14 | Phlexonance | Phated: thats it, I had to install unrar ;) |
| 05:49.17 | Phlexonance | Phated: thx |
| 05:49.22 | Phated | Phlexonance: Cheers :) |
| 05:49.26 | dvm1981 | tarzeau: Hoela, that's not nice, but good! |
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| 05:49.50 | dvm1981 | Phlexonance: There are alos 'unp' |
| 05:50.08 | dvm1981 | unp - unpack (almost) everything with one command |
| 05:51.20 | Phlexonance | thx, cya |
| 05:51.55 | Canna | Illarane: you still here? |
| 05:52.52 | Illarane | You've got 7 minutes... |
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| 05:53.24 | KinxofSepluv | dvm1981, Problem submited |
| 05:53.41 | KinxofSepluv | dvm1981, Now all I need is to get Xorg to work properly |
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| 05:54.02 | dvm1981 | KinxofSepluv: If you alread see the problem on reportbug, i think it is not needed to add one more one :-/ |
| 05:54.19 | KinxofSepluv | dvm1981, Yes but none of them diagnosed the problem |
| 05:54.20 | dvm1981 | KinxofSepluv: What goes wrong with that last one? |
| 05:54.25 | unix_infidel | show do i make a shell prompt show up at the bottom of konq. |
| 05:54.47 | KinxofSepluv | dvm1981, I think I may know exaclty what is wrong with it |
| 05:55.56 | dvm1981 | KinxofSepluv: Have you add the info you think on reportbug?? Give you there you're advies? |
| 05:56.41 | KinxofSepluv | dvm1981, Yes. It seems to have to do with the GTK+ filepicker call it makes. I've already posted it |
| 05:56.44 | Canna | Illarane can you link me to whatever you were looking at on google, im reading on my own but not finding anything yet |
| 05:57.08 | Illarane | dvs or whatever his name was exhausted the options I'd come up with |
| 05:57.16 | Canna | i know that its not a group problem, yet not a problem with alsa because it works as root.... |
| 05:57.46 | Illarane | launch xmms as root then? :p |
| 05:57.54 | KinxofSepluv | Anyone know anything about working with xorg and ATI cards? |
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| 05:58.19 | dvm1981 | KinxofSepluv: So, can you look technically to find it out. I mean, can you get it to work again? So you post you're results |
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| 05:58.27 | Illarane | I literally have to go now, so will help later if you're still here. |
| 05:58.39 | Illarane | I might be able to get wireless on the train, so yay... :p |
| 05:58.47 | james_ | I need to remove a package. dpkg is giving me "package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal" |
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| 05:59.02 | KinxofSepluv | dvm1981, I haven't the slightest clue how to fix it. I've caused the problem on myself before though. |
| 05:59.09 | dvm1981 | Illarane: hey hey hey :-) |
| 05:59.11 | Canna | haha how? |
| 05:59.15 | KinxofSepluv | dvm1981, So I simply know the symptoms |
| 05:59.24 | Canna | how on the moving train do you get wireless doesnt it go too fast |
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| 05:59.30 | KinxofSepluv | dvm1981, I gave them a general direction to start looking |
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| 05:59.33 | Illarane | dvm1981: Hmmm? |
| 05:59.45 | dvm1981 | Illarane: Yes :-) |
| 05:59.49 | KinxofSepluv | dvm1981, I don't know enough gtk code and XUL to fix it myself |
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| 05:59.58 | dvm1981 | Illarane: wifi on the train :-) |
| 06:00.07 | Illarane | Ah, heh. |
| 06:00.11 | Illarane | Good old Southern. |
| 06:00.15 | dvm1981 | KinxofSepluv: idem here :-( |
| 06:00.36 | Illarane | Wifi on domestic trains |
| 06:00.47 | Illarane | *is the best thing that T-Mobile have come up with so far. |
| 06:01.13 | KinxofSepluv | dvm1981, 1.0.7 seems to use the Built in filePicker rather than the GTK+ build version |
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| 06:01.43 | Illarane | And now I must go, otherwise I'll miss my train. :p |
| 06:01.49 | dvm1981 | I live in that campaign, an im the only one here with an access point :-( is wide open, just to see if ... But nobody, that's not nice :-( |
| 06:01.50 | KinxofSepluv | I must part |
| 06:03.07 | dvm1981 | bbrrr, campaign, in english have an really other meaning i just see it now. |
| 06:03.43 | dvm1981 | Im not live in an big city, here are +- 250 people in this verry little city |
| 06:03.53 | Canna | can I set the X server access to audio so that whenever someone uses X they can use audio? |
| 06:04.02 | jetscreamer | village? |
| 06:04.15 | dvm1981 | jetscreamer: Right! :-) |
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| 06:05.00 | dvm1981 | jetscreamer: An verry little one with one access point, it's my :-/ |
| 06:05.01 | six0 | rero |
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| 06:05.15 | Sonny | hi, I did update-alternatives --config x-www-browser and pick mozilla-firefox, but my xchat still using epiphany |
| 06:05.19 | Sonny | why? |
| 06:05.32 | six0 | dird |
| 06:05.47 | dvm1981 | Sonny: Close xchat, start it again?? |
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| 06:05.47 | jetscreamer | not sure but neither mozilla nor firefox work in xchat for me atm... used to. |
| 06:05.55 | six0 | lets get to know oneanother |
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| 06:06.13 | dvm1981 | jetscreamer: It's work here :-) |
| 06:06.21 | jetscreamer | you drank a 6 and now you're drunk? |
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| 06:06.32 | dvm1981 | It's Mozilla-Firefox, but no matters i think |
| 06:06.37 | Sonny | let me try |
| 06:06.38 | six0 | drunk and high too |
| 06:06.39 | jetscreamer | dvm1981: XChat 2.6.1 here |
| 06:06.51 | jetscreamer | actually the name has changed iirc |
| 06:06.52 | slinn | is there a ratbox package? in apt-cache search brings up ircd-hybrid |
| 06:06.55 | slinn | is that the same thing? |
| 06:06.55 | jetscreamer | !info firefox |
| 06:06.58 | six0 | im bord |
| 06:06.59 | dpkg | firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.1-3 (sid), Packaged size: 7880 kB, Installed size: 24012 kB |
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| 06:07.09 | dvm1981 | 2.4.1 deb stable on that box here |
| 06:07.19 | jetscreamer | sid |
| 06:07.44 | Sonny | dvm1981: the same it still uses epyphany |
| 06:07.44 | dvm1981 | jetscreamer: Idem, on my laptop, there are Testing |
| 06:07.48 | six0 | what can i say good buds and 1.5 oz vadka and 5 oz of oj a litlle mdew and ice |
| 06:07.55 | jetscreamer | the name changing is very recent |
| 06:08.03 | dvm1981 | Sonny: Stable?? |
| 06:08.06 | jetscreamer | ah yes i was right |
| 06:08.11 | jetscreamer | drunk |
| 06:08.12 | Sonny | dvm1981: testing |
| 06:08.20 | dn4 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Camel_jockey_ansarburney.jpg |
| 06:08.25 | six0 | some econo bud |
| 06:08.32 | Sonny | dvm1981: maybe is because I have gnome and kde installed? I'm trying Kde... |
| 06:08.33 | six0 | im a happy man |
| 06:08.35 | jetscreamer | call the dea |
| 06:09.40 | six0 | give me a color tv dishnet americas top everything and an isp and im happy |
| 06:10.02 | six0 | plus some nice econo bud |
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| 06:11.16 | six0 | allo i need now is a mail order bride and id fit right in |
| 06:11.27 | dvm1981_lptp | Sonny: No matters i think |
| 06:11.29 | dvm1981_lptp | Sonny: Or you need to login from you're session and log again?? |
| 06:11.37 | dvm1981_lptp | Sonny: Log of an login again |
| 06:11.39 | dvm1981_lptp | It's late here |
| 06:11.43 | dvm1981_lptp | Ohg no, it's again morning :-/ |
| 06:12.36 | Sonny | let me try |
| 06:12.41 | dvm1981_lptp | Yes |
| 06:12.50 | Sonny | dvm1981: where are you? |
| 06:12.54 | dvm1981_lptp | You're not lose some things with that |
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| 06:12.59 | dvm1981_lptp | Belguim |
| 06:13.04 | Sonny | dvm1981: are you talking with your self? |
| 06:13.15 | Sonny | I'm in Peru. its 1.13am here |
| 06:13.25 | dvm1981_lptp | Sonny: Some times yes :-( |
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| 06:14.21 | six0 | watching the john stewat show |
| 06:14.30 | unix_infidel | dvm1981_lptp: what laptop? |
| 06:14.40 | six0 | on me lappy |
| 06:15.02 | dvm1981_lptp | 07:14 |
| 06:15.03 | dvm1981_lptp | AM |
| 06:15.03 | six0 | linux 64ver |
| 06:15.09 | dvm1981_lptp | unix_infidel: Compaq Armada 1750 |
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| 06:15.14 | Sonny | dvm1981: so you are at your PC and at you laptop? |
| 06:15.15 | dn4 | Some many times it happens to fast |
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| 06:15.20 | dn4 | you change your passion for glory! |
| 06:15.33 | DrGamut | Hey guys, what device in a PC handles the network connection from a USB modem? |
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| 06:15.57 | dvm1981_lptp | Sonny: Im not so geek, im in the sofa, watching not movies, designed one, forget the word again |
| 06:16.44 | Sonny | which is the best laptop for you? I mean the brand |
| 06:16.53 | six0 | ocket 754 Special! |
| 06:16.53 | six0 | Awesome Mobo, Super CPU, |
| 06:16.53 | six0 | Half-Gig DDR and Great Case. |
| 06:16.53 | six0 | Want to build an explosive system? Here are some dynamite components that will blow you away! Are you a game-crazed, LAN partier? A PC extremist? Perhaps a connoisseur of spectacular multimedia entertainment? If you like raw power, blazing speed and plenty of pizzazz, this barebone was tailor-made for you. Check out these extraordinary components. The amazing Asus K8V-X SE Socket 754 motherboard ? a phenomenal platform designed for |
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| 06:17.38 | jbroome | haha |
| 06:18.36 | dvm1981_lptp | And laptop that work good! :-/ |
| 06:18.42 | Sonny | which brand desings the best laptops? I |
| 06:19.15 | dvm1981_lptp | Im not so really happy with that one here. But i work good so, im happy :-° |
| 06:19.46 | DrGamut | Hey guys, what device in a PC handles the network connection from a USB modem? |
| 06:20.23 | karsten | DrGamut: eth<n> ? |
| 06:20.30 | karsten | DrGamut: ... in conjunction with the USB bus. |
| 06:20.39 | DrGamut | What's the physical device I mean. |
| 06:21.22 | karsten | DrGamut: Define physical device. |
| 06:21.33 | karsten | DrGamut: as in quote "physical device". |
| 06:21.34 | dvm1981_lptp | DrGamut: An usb pci card ?? |
| 06:21.37 | Canna | HAHAHA |
| 06:21.40 | Canna | i figured it out |
| 06:21.56 | Canna | it makes next to no sense but i figured it out |
| 06:21.57 | DrGamut | karsten: a piece of hardware I can hold in my hand |
| 06:22.12 | Canna | is anyone actually still here that cares |
| 06:22.21 | karsten | DrGamut: Um. A USB wireless device, I suppose. |
| 06:22.29 | DrGamut | dvm1981_lptp: So the USB interface is responsible for manging the network connection? |
| 06:22.35 | karsten | DrGamut: ... and/or the cable between it and the modem. |
| 06:22.40 | dvm1981_lptp | No especially |
| 06:22.49 | karsten | DrGamut: IIUIC, USB is essentially a data channel. |
| 06:23.01 | DrGamut | Sorry I don't understand how this works with USB. |
| 06:23.01 | Canna | streuner: you there? |
| 06:23.07 | karsten | DrGamut: No different from running TCP/IP over a parallel or serial port, except that it's much faster. |
| 06:23.23 | karsten | DrGamut: USB == data conduit. ethernet device == network interface. |
| 06:23.24 | Sonny | I have a toshiba satellite A75-s229 |
| 06:23.26 | dvm1981_lptp | DrGamut: Have you not an RJ45 connector on that modem, like the mine one have the both. In RH45 mode is automatical setuped |
| 06:23.43 | Sonny | But I just qualify it with 14 (0-20) |
| 06:23.51 | DrGamut | dvm1981_lptp: trying to help someone else, I shouldn't even be in this channel except I know you guys are particularly informative |
| 06:23.54 | Sonny | I'm not totally satisfied with it |
| 06:23.55 | karsten | DrGamut: Technically, I suppose, USB is taking the place of the PCI bus for a PCI ethernet device. |
| 06:24.05 | DrGamut | dvm1981_lptp: this person uses a USB modem and I have no understanding of the nature of it |
| 06:24.08 | karsten | DrGamut: I'm mostly hauling this out of /dev/ass, three bits at a time. |
| 06:24.13 | konfuzed | i was just looking for " secure email " at debian.org and it did not turn up any thing useful. what is a secure email client that facilitates for the security paranoid email user? |
| 06:24.17 | dvm1981_lptp | DrGamut: Because WE use GOOD stuff :-) |
| 06:24.21 | karsten | DrGamut: I'd find something more significant to fuss over. |
| 06:24.23 | unix_infidel | dvm1981_lptp: what do you use to manage wireless connections on that laptop? |
| 06:24.57 | nevyn | konfuzed: mutt and kmail have good gpg integration |
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| 06:25.14 | karsten | konfuzed: mutt + gnupg + RFC2015 / RFC3156 MIME encoding. |
| 06:25.31 | dvm1981_lptp | unix_infidel: hhhmm, nothings special, i have an usb dongle fot the wifi. I'm an fan of the shell :-/ so setting it up take less time that with an GUI |
| 06:25.38 | Canna | does anyone here know anything about ALSA? |
| 06:25.44 | Sonny | !java |
| 06:25.45 | dpkg | it has been said that java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive and forbids you from working on Java implementations or SDKs. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
| 06:25.47 | deadcat | Canna: no |
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| 06:25.59 | Canna | that can explain to my why I ended up having to do the exact opposite of what everyone said to do. |
| 06:25.59 | unix_infidel | dvm1981_lptp: lol, so just iwconfig and dhclient ? |
| 06:26.05 | DrGamut | karsten: My friend has no network connection and it's significant to me that I help them resolve it. But I lack the comprehension since it's not a standard ethernet setup. |
| 06:26.06 | Sonny | !install java |
| 06:26.06 | dpkg | First, read <java licensing>. Still here? Install the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package>. |
| 06:26.07 | karsten | konfuzed: ... or you could buy PGP Universal Server or PGP Desktop or PGP Satellite from PGP Corp, but they're Windows/Mac only. |
| 06:26.07 | dvm1981_lptp | unix_infidel: The howto of the Ndiswrapper help me really |
| 06:26.14 | deadcat | Canna: no clue |
| 06:26.27 | deadcat | dvm1981_lptp: what card do you have? |
| 06:26.33 | konfuzed | nevyn, of course a secure mail server helps quite a bit but hasnt anything come along since gnupg for secure mail |
| 06:26.40 | unix_infidel | ipw most likely. |
| 06:26.47 | unix_infidel | dvm1981_lptp: well yea....that's all good and well. |
| 06:26.48 | deadcat | then why use ndis? |
| 06:26.56 | karsten | DrGamut: <shrug>. It's ethernet over a USB bus. As opposed to ethernet over a PCI bus, ethernet over an ISA bus, ethernet over serial port, or ethernet over parallel port. |
| 06:26.58 | dvm1981_lptp | deadcat: It's already setup :-) i give some infos there on unix_infidel ... |
| 06:27.10 | karsten | DrGamut: Get your data bus and ethernet seperated. |
| 06:27.12 | konfuzed | ok spf or what have dns records but thats nothing really for the mail client |
| 06:27.24 | Canna | I ended up having to just use OSS for the emulation and my sound is working then, but everyone kept saying "Make sure your using ALSA" but if i use alsa it doesnt work |
| 06:27.27 | deadcat | dvm1981_lptp: ndis should be the last resort. NEVER use that crap |
| 06:27.37 | DrGamut | karsten: Well since their USB is working properly I can't determine why their network connection isn't. =x |
| 06:27.56 | DrGamut | if it wasn't USB I could assume it's a problem with the ethernet device |
| 06:28.07 | karsten | DrGamut: Might want to confirm drivers for the USB device. I'd start googling part numbers + "linux". |
| 06:28.12 | konfuzed | ive not used mutt but seen it on the command line, is there a graphical mutt of some kind |
| 06:28.13 | karsten | DrGamut: Anyhow, time to do some dinner. |
| 06:28.14 | dvm1981_lptp | deadcat: Yes, i know, the how to are a bit better |
| 06:28.58 | dvm1981_lptp | It's an Dlink DWL-G122, and need Ndiswrapper :-5 |
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| 06:31.12 | Sonny | aavla |
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| 06:32.00 | dvm1981_lptp | i messed up my appleyuice :-5 |
| 06:32.21 | dvm1981_lptp | laptop are you like applayuice?? |
| 06:32.40 | dvm1981_lptp | The components not really :-/ |
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| 06:33.04 | Sonny | can you tell me how to install java plugin for firefox? |
| 06:33.10 | Sonny | !java firefox |
| 06:33.20 | jm_ | Sonny: read the topic |
| 06:33.50 | dvm1981_lptp | deadcat: You mention, NEVER, so really never use it? |
| 06:33.55 | Sonny | jm- :which one? |
| 06:34.12 | jm_ | Sonny: how many topics does this channel have then? |
| 06:34.39 | Sonny | jm_ : i dont know |
| 06:34.50 | dvm1981_lptp | Sonny: He mean that you want to use '/msg dpkg java' |
| 06:34.55 | michael117 | I'm trying to create a launcher in gnome to connect to a debian server/testbox with tightvncviewer and I have the whole first part of the command put in place to connect, but it then asks for a password. What could I put in the launcher command to make it also enter the password after putting in the command to connect? |
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| 06:34.59 | Sonny | i did |
| 06:35.03 | Sonny | !java |
| 06:35.04 | dpkg | i guess java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive and forbids you from working on Java implementations or SDKs. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
| 06:35.12 | Sonny | !java firefox |
| 06:35.15 | Sonny | !install java |
| 06:35.16 | dpkg | First, read <java licensing>. Still here? Install the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package>. |
| 06:35.18 | dvm1981_lptp | Sonny: No man, ask on dpkg |
| 06:35.21 | jm_ | !tell sonny -about msg |
| 06:35.33 | dvm1981_lptp | :-) |
| 06:35.45 | Sonny | jm_ : I installed java-package but is the same |
| 06:35.47 | jm_ | michael117: -passwd foo |
| 06:35.55 | jm_ | Sonny: man make-jpkg |
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| 06:37.39 | TraceGreenbaby | hello, what port does ping use? |
| 06:38.37 | dvm1981_lptp | TraceGreenbaby: Ethereal? |
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| 06:39.11 | TraceGreenbaby | dvm1981_lptp, do you mean use ethereal to check what port? doesn't it use stable port for ping? |
| 06:39.27 | dvm1981_lptp | TraceGreenbaby: Yes, give it an try |
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| 06:40.01 | slinn | when users try to use nmap -p1-65534 on a shell server of mine, they get disconnected... can anyone think of a reason for this |
| 06:40.12 | dvm1981_lptp | TraceGreenbaby: It's look that i have not install it here on the laptop, doing now |
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| 06:41.23 | TraceGreenbaby | dvm1981_lptp, somebody in ubuntu channel tell me ping don't use any port. |
| 06:41.30 | ePoKe | @slinn: could be the firewall / IDS system on your provider... maybe the just block IP's which generate massive amounts of new tcp connections (this is what nmap does) |
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| 06:41.45 | dvm1981_lptp | TraceGreenbaby: It use ICMP, try to google about it, i also not know ... |
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| 06:43.14 | dvm1981_lptp | TraceGreenbaby: I know that ping is an tool of TCP/IP |
| 06:43.17 | ePoKe | ping does not use ports (only tcp protocol does)... ping sends ECHO REQUEST ICMP and ECHO REPLY ICMP messages |
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| 06:43.38 | ePoKe | do measure network delay and node reachability |
| 06:43.42 | Shadur | ePoKe: tcp and udp |
| 06:43.45 | karsten | TraceGreenbaby: ping doesn't use ports. It's ICMP, no TCP/UDP |
| 06:43.53 | karsten | s/ no / not / |
| 06:43.56 | ePoKe | tcp/udp of course ;) |
| 06:44.01 | Shadur | And icmp does a lot more than just pinging. |
| 06:44.09 | ePoKe | of course |
| 06:44.21 | ePoKe | *g* |
| 06:44.41 | dvm1981_lptp | Its an tool to check some things |
| 06:44.53 | ePoKe | try this: |
| 06:44.55 | ePoKe | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICMP |
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| 06:45.44 | dvm1981_lptp | Its an tool to check some things, but that slow laptop here ... |
| 06:45.48 | ePoKe | if you really want to understand tcp/ip protocol suite, than you should really read the RFC's ... |
| 06:45.57 | dvm1981_lptp | shit, the keys here :-/ |
| 06:46.04 | karsten | TraceGreenbaby: Anyhow, if you're trying to block pings, you can set ICMP rules for that, I think, though you may just be able to deny replies, not deal with the source, unless you can get upstream to drop the traffic for you. |
| 06:46.12 | manu | Why do i get this error 501 <'xxx@xxxx.com'>: malformed address |
| 06:46.14 | manu | in exim |
| 06:47.15 | karsten | manu: I'd suggest it's a malformed address, but I'm just guessing. |
| 06:47.26 | karsten | manu: Incoming or outgoing? |
| 06:47.47 | manu | xxxx@xxxx.com'>: malformed address: '> may not |
| 06:47.51 | manu | outgoing |
| 06:48.27 | karsten | manu: ?? (2nd line above) |
| 06:48.33 | manu | xxxx.xxx@xxxxx'>: malformed |
| 06:48.37 | manu | this in another one |
| 06:48.49 | manu | The following recipient(s) could not be reached: |
| 06:48.59 | Zugschlus | manu: don't flood and remove the quotes from the addresses |
| 06:49.05 | dingus9 | I need some advice on rescuing a lost partition!!! I just rm in parted and I cant figure out how to recover |
| 06:49.06 | karsten | manu: Are these all to the same destination domain? |
| 06:49.09 | manu | ok |
| 06:49.11 | karsten | !tell manu about paster |
| 06:49.15 | Zugschlus | dingus9: use your backup |
| 06:49.20 | karsten | manu: Post detail where dpkg just told you |
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| 06:50.50 | dn4 | ok my system does not use eth0 anymore but ath0 and each time I boot up init looks for dhclient eth0 instead of ath0 |
| 06:51.05 | dn4 | how do I get init to follow these 3 commands at boot |
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| 06:51.11 | manu | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2078 |
| 06:51.16 | manu | Please check it |
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| 06:51.37 | dn4 | ifconfig ath0 up; iwconfig ath0 essid w3rdn4; dhclient ath0; |
| 06:51.59 | dvm1981_lptp | dn4: using madwifi? |
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| 06:52.46 | dn4 | dvm1981_lptp, yes I am |
| 06:52.47 | dvm1981_lptp | dn4: In the bashrc ?? |
| 06:53.01 | dn4 | not sure what bashrc is |
| 06:53.02 | karsten | dn4: madwifi drivers? |
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| 06:53.08 | karsten | dn4: I'm doing the same thing. |
| 06:53.10 | manu | any ideas |
| 06:53.21 | dn4 | karsten, yes, but I want to have ath0 up at boot up instead of eth0 |
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| 06:53.33 | dn4 | I always have to type ifconfig ath0 up; iwconfig ath0 essid w3rdn4; dhclient ath0; |
| 06:53.38 | dn4 | which gets boring |
| 06:53.47 | karsten | manu: Got headers from that message? |
| 06:53.50 | dvm1981_lptp | I know there are an #madwifi :-/ |
| 06:53.54 | karsten | dn4: man 5 interfaces |
| 06:54.32 | dn4 | auto ath0 |
| 06:54.32 | dn4 | iface ath0 inet dhcp |
| 06:54.32 | dvm1981_lptp | But more Debian related :-/ |
| 06:54.37 | dn4 | done :) thank you karsten |
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| 06:54.47 | karsten | dn4: NP. |
| 06:55.04 | karsten | dn4: /etc/init.d/networking stop; /etc/init.d/networking start |
| 06:55.11 | karsten | dn4: ... should automatically bring it up. |
| 06:55.23 | dn4 | karsten, does this work on boot up |
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| 06:55.50 | karsten | dn4: What I just gave you should prove whether it will or not. |
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| 06:56.06 | dn4 | karsten, it works for sure |
| 06:56.10 | bazboo | How do I make the equivalent of the s///g command in sed but allowing regexen? |
| 06:56.11 | karsten | dn4: Make sure your external interfaces (other than lo) are down. Then try '/etc/init.d/networking start' |
| 06:56.13 | manu | karsten: no :( |
| 06:56.15 | karsten | dn4: Coolio. |
| 06:56.20 | karsten | manu: ?? |
| 06:56.31 | dn4 | karsten, what I want is for ath0 to automatically connect to w3rdn4 and get dhcp during init boot up |
| 06:56.36 | dvm1981_lptp | karsten: dn4 simply editing the '/etc/network/interfaces' file ?? |
| 06:56.43 | Sonny | dvm1981: the same.. my xchat still uses epiphany |
| 06:56.49 | dn4 | I edited the interfaces file to read |
| 06:56.56 | manu | karsten: No headers |
| 06:56.58 | dn4 | auto ath0 |
| 06:56.58 | dn4 | iface ath0 inet dhcp |
| 06:57.12 | karsten | dn4: Right. |
| 06:57.16 | dn4 | dvm1981_lptp, what I am thinking though is that the ath0 will connect to any wireless connection and right now there are 5 of them |
| 06:57.19 | dvm1981_lptp | Sonny: And with just using 'update-alternatives' without that option there that you putted in |
| 06:57.23 | karsten | manu: That would be a problem. Any idea what the outbound mail was? |
| 06:57.24 | dn4 | I want to connect to just one aka w3rdn4 |
| 06:57.48 | manu | karsten: Its a business mail, related to recruitement |
| 06:57.51 | karsten | manu: ... and how many users have you got there? If it's several and Windows, odds are good someone's got a virus and is spamming w/ malformed headers. |
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| 06:58.12 | karsten | manu: You'll need to find headers and look at 'em. Can't help you any further. |
| 06:58.23 | manu | ok, let me check |
| 06:58.25 | dvm1981_lptp | karsten: dn4 But in '/etc/network/interfaces' you can define some thing, im not sure it can help you; try to look to that file |
| 06:58.33 | dn4 | ok |
| 06:58.52 | Sonny | dvm1981_lptp: update-alternatives just shows me the help |
| 06:59.04 | karsten | dvm1981_lptp: Um. I *know* that. Whom are you trying to tell what? |
| 06:59.49 | dvm1981_lptp | Sonny: Right!, thinking how i have do it, sure it's with that but wich option ?? |
| 07:00.13 | dvm1981_lptp | karsten: Trying to help you |
| 07:00.33 | Sonny | dvm1981_lptp: I did "update-alternatives --config x-www-browser" and pick firefox |
| 07:00.35 | dvm1981_lptp | karsten: And i can NOT know what you actually already know. |
| 07:01.02 | karsten | dvm1981_lptp: I don't need help. At least not _that_ help, now, thanks ;-) |
| 07:01.06 | jm_ | bazboo: s command is all about regexes |
| 07:01.19 | karsten | dvm1981_lptp: I've been suggesting stuff to dn4. |
| 07:01.24 | dvm1981_lptp | Sonny: Using KDE?? |
| 07:01.28 | weasel00 | !beer karsten |
| 07:01.39 | karsten | !thank weasel00 |
| 07:01.39 | dpkg | de nada, karsten |
| 07:02.45 | dvm1981_lptp | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:02.57 | karsten | dvm1981_lptp: Not complaining ;-) |
| 07:03.14 | karsten | dvm1981_lptp: ... but if you want to walk me through a madwifi install, I'm ears. |
| 07:03.26 | dn4 | karsten, need help? |
| 07:03.35 | dvm1981_lptp | #madwifi like i already say then ... |
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| 07:03.49 | karsten | dn4: Seems to be working, following docs here: http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian |
| 07:03.49 | weasel00 | anyone know where the defualt install of squirrelmail is aliased to? im thinking www.foobar.com/squirrelmail but cant find it |
| 07:03.58 | Sonny | dvm1981_lptp: yes |
| 07:04.04 | bazboo | jm_: but s, +,\t,g doesn't do anything |
| 07:04.05 | dn4 | karsten, I got the experimental version of madwifi-ng |
| 07:04.09 | freeone3000 | Is there a .deb avalible for mplayer anywhere on unstable? |
| 07:04.13 | dn4 | karsten, works well on stable |
| 07:04.14 | bazboo | jm_: to the output of 'cal 5 2006' |
| 07:04.19 | karsten | weasel00: It prolly drops a config stub in /etc/apache/conf.d/ |
| 07:04.22 | dn4 | karsten, you also get the new commands |
| 07:04.27 | Sonny | dvm1981_lptp: Yes, As i told you I was uding gnome but I'm trying kde now, but gnome is still installed |
| 07:04.29 | karsten | dn4: Thanks. Doing unstable/testing. |
| 07:04.40 | dvm1981_lptp | weasel: 'dpkg -L <pkg>' |
| 07:04.40 | weasel00 | karsten : didnt think to look there to find it lol |
| 07:04.56 | jm_ | bazboo: it actually does what you asked it to do |
| 07:05.05 | unix_infidel | !tell freeone3000 about marillat |
| 07:05.08 | dn4 | karsten, how do you have it setup to connect to your router? |
| 07:05.14 | karsten | weasel00: NP. |
| 07:05.17 | freeone3000 | Thank you. |
| 07:05.18 | dn4 | karsten, still manually doing it? |
| 07:05.24 | karsten | dn4: Well, it's not my router ;-) |
| 07:05.30 | unix_infidel | np. |
| 07:05.31 | karsten | dn4: ... I ifup/down manually though. |
| 07:05.38 | karsten | unix_infidel: Your name is redundant. |
| 07:05.52 | karsten | dn4: Sec, testing the new card.... |
| 07:05.55 | weasel00 | dvm1981_lptp : i know where the physical files are, im trying to figure out how to access it on my site lol |
| 07:06.09 | dn4 | karsten, yeah :/ I know how to get it automatically up, but to get it to connect automatically do a certain essid would be nicer |
| 07:06.18 | unix_infidel | karsten: redundant? |
| 07:06.40 | dvm1981_lptp | weasel: Yes i know; but you see there if there are an link in the CGI-bin, then you know the name an could access it |
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| 07:07.39 | bazboo | jm_: not when i >'ed it to a text file and edited the file... |
| 07:08.09 | jm_ | bazboo: no, you don't understand - you asked it to replace " +" (literally) with tabs, there's no " +" in cal output |
| 07:08.14 | dn4 | I am going to test out this new setting |
| 07:08.15 | dn4 | beback |
| 07:08.16 | dn4 | later |
| 07:08.34 | Sonny | dvm1981_lptp: Did you read? |
| 07:08.58 | dvm1981 | Sonny: What?? |
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| 07:09.17 | Sonny | dvm1981_lptp: Yes, As i told you I was uding gnome but I'm trying kde now, but gnome is still installed |
| 07:09.19 | dvm1981 | Sonny: oh is see it |
| 07:09.20 | Sonny | I use kde |
| 07:09.35 | freeone3000 | dpkg's marillat key result isn't working for me, gpg complains of a broken pipe. |
| 07:09.42 | dvm1981 | Sonny: In the Control panel of KDE you can define the default apps. |
| 07:10.00 | dvm1981 | Sonny: 'kcontrol' |
| 07:10.02 | weasel00 | dvm1981_lptp : doesnt look like its in the cgi-bin |
| 07:10.16 | freeone3000 | Nevermind, duh, we don't have 'sudo'... |
| 07:10.31 | dvm1981 | weasel: Im install it to see :-) |
| 07:10.40 | weasel00 | karsten : there is nothing in the /etc/apache2/conf.d for squirrelmail. should i put something there? |
| 07:10.51 | Sonny | dvm1981: I've already done that |
| 07:11.19 | Sonny | Solution, maybe is unistalling epiphany... lol.... lets se what happens |
| 07:11.25 | karsten | weasel00: No, that was just a hunch. |
| 07:11.33 | dvm1981 | Sonny: I not know then what's happend :-( |
| 07:11.35 | karsten | weasel00: You might want to read squirrelmail's docs. |
| 07:11.43 | karsten | weasel00: /usr/share/doc/squirrelmail/ |
| 07:12.01 | Sonny | Lol..... now xchat just dont open links |
| 07:12.02 | Sonny | lol |
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| 07:12.19 | Sonny | How do I unistall gnome? I decide to use just kde now |
| 07:12.27 | nuphear | hullo everyone :) |
| 07:12.34 | dvm1981 | Sonny: And if you right click, in the context menu ? |
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| 07:12.48 | karsten | !tell Sonny about remove gnome |
| 07:12.49 | nuphear | is there anywhere I can get a suse binary of xmms? |
| 07:12.49 | jm_ | !tell sonny -about remove gnome |
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| 07:13.03 | karsten | !suse |
| 07:13.03 | dpkg | from memory, suse is a linux distribution that can be found at http://www.suse.com, or german, open source, *nix. . . you do the math. the root of all that is wrong and evil, or #suse, or see http://www.omahns-home.co.uk/downloads/sles9.png |
| 07:13.16 | dvm1981 | nuphear: Why?? |
| 07:13.29 | dvm1981 | nuphear: You are on #debian here! |
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| 07:13.33 | nuphear | eek |
| 07:13.35 | nuphear | lol |
| 07:13.36 | weasel00 | karsten : ya... it didnt create a link in the conf.d directory.. argh so stupid |
| 07:13.42 | nuphear | I normally run debian :( |
| 07:13.47 | nuphear | lol instinct to come here |
| 07:13.49 | nuphear | hahaha |
| 07:13.54 | nuphear | that's embarassing.. |
| 07:13.57 | karsten | weasel00: Should it have? |
| 07:14.08 | karsten | OK, I'm downing that link now... |
| 07:14.14 | avtobiff | !tell avtobiff -about remove gnome |
| 07:14.18 | Sonny | dvm1981: what do you mean? |
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| 07:14.30 | Sonny | dvm1981: what context menu? |
| 07:14.40 | dn4 | ok I automatically connected to my neighbors network instead of mine |
| 07:14.42 | dn4 | that is the suck |
| 07:15.10 | dvm1981 | Sonny: In xchat, if you click with the right mouse button on an link, an menu apaer, there |
| 07:15.20 | weasel00 | karsten : not sure if it should have automatically. i tihnk when i was using it before on fc it did. still learning the ins-n-outs of deb =) |
| 07:15.36 | Sonny | I want to remove gnome but dont want to brake my kde |
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| 07:16.18 | Sonny | I do that... now that I removed epiphany.... it just doesnt open links |
| 07:16.26 | dvm1981 | Sonny: No problem, follow what dpkg have say you |
| 07:16.59 | dvm1981 | Sonny: Mozilla-firefox been installed? |
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| 07:17.13 | dvm1981 | Sonny: That runs good? |
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| 07:17.40 | karsten | feh |
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| 07:18.07 | dn4 | karsten, I am using my neighbors AP and not mine, since I setup my interface to auto ath0 up |
| 07:18.26 | dn4 | It connects to my neighbors and not mine AR!!! |
| 07:18.26 | dvm1981 | weasel: 'squirrelmail-configure'?? |
| 07:18.39 | karsten | dn4: Card's not recognized. |
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| 07:19.25 | bazboo | jm_: but... I want regex / +/ not " +" |
| 07:19.30 | karsten | dn4: sit0: unknown hardware address type 776 |
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| 07:19.54 | bazboo | !brake |
| 07:20.00 | weasel00 | dvm1981 : no i found the problem. it needed a link to conf.d that wasnt created on install |
| 07:20.17 | dvm1981 | weasel: ok ;-) |
| 07:20.38 | bazboo | dpkg brake $1 is $1: braking is for cars, not software |
| 07:20.39 | dpkg | bazboo: okay |
| 07:20.50 | bazboo | !brake Sonny |
| 07:20.50 | dpkg | Sonny: braking is for cars, not software |
| 07:21.18 | bazboo | :-) |
| 07:21.23 | karsten | dn4: If I read the sample configs right you can configure that. |
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| 07:21.54 | jm_ | bazboo: so change it as per sed docs ... |
| 07:23.14 | bazboo | jm_: not completely clear what to do, cal 5 2006 | sed -e 's/ +/\t/g' doesn't do it either |
| 07:23.28 | jm_ | bazboo: info sed -> Regular Expressions |
| 07:23.55 | bazboo | yeah i was seeing the part about s/regexp/replacement/ |
| 07:24.24 | jm_ | you read that? so why do you keep using + then? that tells me you either didn't read it or you paid no attention to what you were reading |
| 07:24.36 | bazboo | well i am in the man page |
| 07:24.43 | jm_ | no not man, info sed |
| 07:24.51 | bazboo | right, i am moving to it now |
| 07:25.17 | bazboo | ah, backslash escape |
| 07:25.24 | bazboo | sed's syntax is a bit... pathological |
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| 07:26.02 | jm_ | you'll end up using sub/gsub in awk for this, it's not any prettier |
| 07:26.11 | bazboo | yeah it is |
| 07:26.20 | bazboo | it doesn't require its regex tokens to be escaped |
| 07:26.37 | bazboo | and you can do some tricks with printf that are a little longer but a lot cleaner |
| 07:26.49 | bazboo | esp since you can define FS as a regex |
| 07:26.53 | bazboo | that's highly useful |
| 07:27.03 | jm_ | neither does sed |
| 07:27.15 | bazboo | then why doesn't + work unless you use \+ |
| 07:27.29 | jm_ | it requires that for some of them, not all |
| 07:27.34 | bazboo | that was the whole point of the implicit design contract of regexen |
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| 07:27.54 | bazboo | that the tokens are assumed to be more common as tokens than as ASCII content |
| 07:28.07 | bazboo | and therefore you never escape them unless you want to seem them as content |
| 07:28.08 | jm_ | plus, classic sed doesn't even support it, it's a GNU extension |
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| 07:28.28 | bazboo | right, i saw that in the info page (thanks for the redirect btw) |
| 07:28.40 | bazboo | but it's not a very well-thought-out approach |
| 07:28.49 | bazboo | at this point however it's time for me to STFU and FFTSAP |
| 07:28.53 | bazboo | so enough of this rant |
| 07:29.13 | jm_ | I am thinking they use \ to explicitely distinguish extensions to standard stuff |
| 07:29.19 | jm_ | from even |
| 07:29.25 | bazboo | who's got a *debian* question :-) |
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| 07:29.48 | bazboo | jm_: i understand what they did and why but that doesn't mean i agree it was good to do, heh |
| 07:30.08 | konfuzed | so pgp is the state of the art email client security model then, the be all and end all ? |
| 07:30.17 | weasel00 | bazboo : where did the name "debian" come from? |
| 07:30.19 | jm_ | bazboo: sure, I also prefer extended regex/perlre where you don't need to do this |
| 07:30.41 | bazboo | weasel00: the creator ian and his girlfriend deb |
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| 07:31.01 | weasel00 | bazboo : thats cool =) |
| 07:31.01 | bazboo | jm_: not just extended |
| 07:31.12 | bazboo | jm_: nonextended doesn't require it either |
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| 07:31.30 | jm_ | bazboo: there's no support for + in standard regex |
| 07:31.32 | bazboo | nonext just makes you miss some of the more NP-complete tokens |
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| 07:31.53 | bazboo | jm_: i was just meaning the principle extended beyond POSIX / Perl ext |
| 07:31.59 | bazboo | jm_: even if this token does not |
| 07:32.45 | SerajewelKS | konfuzed: it is one of a few good ones |
| 07:32.57 | bazboo | i find it real ironic that most useful regexen are not really regular languages |
| 07:33.13 | SerajewelKS | konfuzed: x509 certificates or whatever they're called work too, but generally you have to pay for one or self-sign it (which raises eyebrows) |
| 07:33.16 | bazboo | but are more context-free or even Turing-complete |
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| 07:33.37 | SerajewelKS | konfuzed: pgp/gpg is good for distributed trust, x509 is good for centralized trust |
| 07:33.45 | bazboo | weasel00: yes, cool, and more on-topic than my angry ranting :-D |
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| 07:34.06 | weasel00 | !beer everyone |
| 07:34.15 | bazboo | weasel00: i had a moment of being a honky with an attitude coming unglued and it was time for me to take a break |
| 07:34.27 | konfuzed | well this bunch of paranoids want to run their own secure server and secure email clients |
| 07:34.42 | weasel00 | bazboo : honky? gawd i havent heard that term in many years lol |
| 07:35.01 | konfuzed | of course there not really technical and figure i should show them how it works |
| 07:35.24 | konfuzed | and im a security pessimist |
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| 07:35.58 | mynullvoid | why is that the variable name in this line not working: awk '{print $1 "hello $name" }' |
| 07:36.25 | konfuzed | thunderbird will handle the x509 certificates too then (hopefully) |
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| 07:36.26 | weasel00 | bazboo : omg thats hilarious !! |
| 07:36.27 | bazboo | konfuzed: Number one rule of consulting: if you can't find the solution there is money to be made in prolonging the problem. |
| 07:36.38 | bazboo | weasel00: which? Edward 40 Hands? |
| 07:36.39 | jm_ | mynullvoid: environemtn variable? |
| 07:36.39 | konfuzed | oh really |
| 07:36.46 | konfuzed | i need help with that one |
| 07:36.53 | bazboo | mynullvoid: alright AWK does not work that way |
| 07:36.54 | weasel00 | bazboo : edward and rule #1 =) |
| 07:37.20 | bazboo | weasel00: I'm... random. Yes... um, er, random. :-) |
| 07:37.36 | bazboo | mynullvoid: first things first, you can't have vars in "" like in shell |
| 07:37.44 | konfuzed | ive always been told im a bad consult because I insist the inquirer actually also learn to look after the software them selves instead of call me ;^) |
| 07:37.46 | bazboo | mynullvoid: to concat strings for printing try the following |
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| 07:38.21 | bazboo | mynullvoid: print "foo " $name " bar " "baz " "boo"; |
| 07:38.48 | bazboo | mynullvoid: additionally if you need fancier output you have got printf |
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| 07:39.21 | konfuzed | so im trying to find out how much real security is possible with email client software cuz I told my buddy it just doesnt cut the mustard |
| 07:39.37 | qiix | hey can someone suggest a web based firewall solution for debian |
| 07:39.39 | weasel00 | konfuzed : i would pitch them some free training for the daily support and offer a high pirced support contrct for the big problems that might arise; they tend to take the support after a few hours of me being called in to fix what one of their guys messed up "fixing" |
| 07:39.41 | bazboo | mynullvoid: with which essentially anything can be done, except left-justifying numbers with zeros after them to placate mainframe programmers. >:-< |
| 07:39.44 | konfuzed | and they should nt bother |
| 07:39.58 | qiix | i am currently using shorewall |
| 07:40.12 | bazboo | konfuzed: well quite a bit if you get some with high-end HTML support, where external crap's not loaded, like kmail and i think tbird |
| 07:40.12 | mynullvoid | bazboo: so how can get my awk to display the $name? |
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| 07:40.23 | bazboo | konfuzed: also you can do integrated PGP / GPG |
| 07:40.35 | bazboo | mynullvoid: about like i said |
| 07:40.45 | bazboo | mynullvoid: print $1 "Hello " $name; |
| 07:41.05 | bazboo | mynullvoid: concatenation is expressed as a list of literals and vars all in a line with spaces between |
| 07:41.07 | mynullvoid | bazboo: i mean the awk |
| 07:41.21 | bazboo | mynullvoid: so that amounts to concatenating and outputting |
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| 07:41.53 | mynullvoid | example like this: cat /etc/passwd | awk '{print $1 "hello $name }' |
| 07:42.07 | bazboo | mynullvoid: what is $name supposed to be |
| 07:42.10 | zu22 | are there any programs to generate an XML file (for syndication) and associated style sheet for website? |
| 07:42.22 | konfuzed | some how i get the sense that these email security measures doesnt really stop someone intent on getting your email |
| 07:42.27 | bazboo | zu22: probably a countless number |
| 07:42.29 | konfuzed | am i wrong on that |
| 07:42.49 | mynullvoid | bazboo: a string from a file |
| 07:42.51 | bazboo | zu22: might apt-cache search rss | grep -i css and apt-cache search css | grep -i rss |
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| 07:42.55 | mynullvoid | i mean other file |
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| 07:42.59 | zu22 | bazboo: thanks |
| 07:43.00 | bazboo | mynullvoid: did you get hold of the string already? |
| 07:43.19 | mynullvoid | yes |
| 07:43.27 | mynullvoid | i can echo $name |
| 07:43.37 | bazboo | mynullvoid: the string, is it in shell? |
| 07:43.58 | bazboo | mynullvoid: and you want it avail. in awk? |
| 07:44.02 | mynullvoid | bazboo: $name is a variable |
| 07:44.09 | bazboo | mynullvoid: awk var or shell var |
| 07:44.30 | mynullvoid | let say $name='John' |
| 07:44.35 | bazboo | mynullvoid: if it's shell you can find it at ENVIRON["name"] |
| 07:44.45 | konfuzed | i mopen to change my opinion on that one if i can find some corroboratoin that im wrong about stopping someone intent on snooping or stealing email |
| 07:44.58 | bazboo | mynullvoid: you are not telling me what i need to know; is the var name set in shell or earlier in the awk? |
| 07:45.18 | bazboo | konfuzed: GPG or PGP is about the only choice |
| 07:45.33 | mynullvoid | in shell |
| 07:45.35 | bazboo | konfuzed: other than that, plaintext across the backbone is food for Echelon |
| 07:45.50 | bazboo | mynullvoid: alright then in awk you should be able to find it in ENVIRON["name"] |
| 07:46.02 | bazboo | mynullvoid: you might need gawk for that to work but i don't think so |
| 07:46.06 | SerajewelKS | konfuzed: thunderbird + enigmail is good |
| 07:46.12 | konfuzed | bazboo, i was afraid thats all there was on the subject |
| 07:46.22 | konfuzed | enigmail |
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| 07:46.29 | konfuzed | ill check that out |
| 07:46.42 | bazboo | mynullvoid: in any case here is an extremely helpful http://www.gnu.org/software/gawk/manual/ |
| 07:46.51 | mynullvoid | example like this: cat /etc/passwd | awk '{print $1 "hello" ENVIRON[name"] }' no go |
| 07:47.06 | bazboo | mynullvoid: please have a look at this manual; they say everything there is to know about getting data from shell |
| 07:47.23 | bazboo | mynullvoid: you can set shell vars on the command line to awk or by many other ways |
| 07:47.23 | Sonny | #debian-kde |
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| 07:47.38 | bazboo | mynullvoid: probably you have to export the name var before awk can see it for one |
| 07:47.47 | Sonny | hi, how can I personalize my kdm? |
| 07:47.59 | bazboo | mynullvoid: and the syntax ENVIRON["name"] is not the same as what you wrote ENVIRON[name"] |
| 07:48.12 | SerajewelKS | Sonny: open the control center and use the 'Login Manager' item |
| 07:49.44 | konfuzed | those silly politicians think they can some how hide from the industrial-military-complex in the first place. |
| 07:49.44 | bazboo | mynullvoid: also read section of 'man awk' that talks about how assignments are done |
| 07:49.47 | konfuzed | i mean really |
| 07:49.55 | bazboo | mynullvoid: this can be used to preconfigure vars inside awk for your use |
| 07:50.06 | bazboo | mynullvoid: this is another way to do it |
| 07:50.17 | Sonny | SerajewelKS: I'm there but I cant modify anything |
| 07:50.31 | SerajewelKS | Sonny: probably because you didn't click the Administrator Mode button |
| 07:50.32 | bazboo | mynullvoid: something like -v name=${name} |
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| 07:51.03 | Sonny | SerajewelKS: It didnt ask me the root's pass |
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| 07:51.19 | SerajewelKS | Sonny: what? |
| 07:51.35 | emacs_buddy | hi |
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| 07:52.03 | Sonny | SerajewelKS: My mistake.... I realized |
| 07:52.30 | mynullvoid | bazboo yeap done it with -v |
| 07:52.55 | bazboo | mynullvoid: sorry to spam you with a bunch of crap, this is nuanced and takes a bit of tricks |
| 07:53.22 | bazboo | mynullvoid: i usually wrote awk to call shell stuff in which case you have endless powers to fill the awk vars with shell stuff |
| 07:53.29 | emacs_buddy | i just upgraded a fresh install sarge system to sid and installed linux-image-2.6.15-1-k7-smp kernel and now keyboard wont work. same with the kernels linux-image-2.6.15-1-k7 and inux-image-2.6.15-1-486. what do i need to do to get keyboard working. i can only ssh in to system. |
| 07:53.40 | mynullvoid | thanks anyway |
| 07:53.58 | bazboo | mynullvoid: of course if you assign in the var on the command line have a look to be sure the contents aren't bogus |
| 07:54.31 | bazboo | mynullvoid: maybe check it with a regex and go tits-up with default value or error message if it's got junk in it or it's null |
| 07:54.41 | SerajewelKS | is there a separate architecture for AMD processors, e.g. athlon XP, or is 686 the best choice |
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| 07:54.48 | fireba11 | emacs_buddy: wth ? check your logs |
| 07:54.48 | SerajewelKS | er, in regards to the kernel |
| 07:54.51 | emacs_buddy | the sarge kernel 2.6.8-2 works fine though. i need later kernel to support sata drives i want to add to system wiith satat controller |
| 07:54.53 | bazboo | SerajewelKS: which AMD proc |
| 07:55.04 | SerajewelKS | bazboo: you'll note that i specified which one |
| 07:55.40 | bazboo | SerajewelKS: e.g. i take to mean for example so i wanted to be sure you meant specifically and not generally |
| 07:55.55 | SerajewelKS | bazboo: specifically, that's the processor model i have |
| 07:56.00 | bazboo | SerajewelKS: otherwise it might not boot your box and then you'd call me an asshat |
| 07:56.13 | bazboo | SerajewelKS: or worse, it boots but is then flaky |
| 07:56.23 | SerajewelKS | bazboo: nah, i'm not stupid enough to install a kernel without keeping a backup kernel in the boot list |
| 07:56.54 | SerajewelKS | bazboo: something tells me k7 but i'm not sure |
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| 07:57.06 | bazboo | SerajewelKS: something like linux-image-2.6.15-1-k7 is what you want |
| 07:57.20 | bazboo | SerajewelKS: apt-cache show it to confirm |
| 07:57.22 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: This package contains the Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on 32bit AMD Duron/Athlon/AthlonXP |
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| 07:58.39 | SerajewelKS | jm_: doh |
| 08:01.56 | emacs_buddy | cool fireball. i look in dmesg and see line: input: PC Speaker as /class/input/input0 very funny. on my current system it says AT translated set 2 keyboard as the input line. curious |
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| 08:02.33 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: maybe you should just give in and s/1/l/g |
| 08:02.48 | konfuzed | well, maybe pgp or gnupg be set to run with 2048bit encryption keys or sometin |
| 08:02.50 | emacs_buddy | what does that mean? does it think that the speaker is a keyboard? how can i type through that :) |
| 08:02.51 | jm_ | emacs_buddy: /proc/bus/input/devices lists known input devices |
| 08:02.59 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: i can't ... fireball is already taken |
| 08:03.05 | konfuzed | and that would take like a week or a month to crack |
| 08:03.14 | Sonny | I'm having still this problem: I want to tell all my apps that use firefox as default web-browser I did "update-alternatives --config x-www-browser" but it still doesnt work, can youy help me? |
| 08:03.18 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: oh well |
| 08:03.26 | edolly^ | i can't install klamav i keep getting this error: in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail. |
| 08:03.26 | edolly^ | So, check this please and use another prefix! |
| 08:03.28 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: that's why i wrote it like that in the first place :-) |
| 08:03.34 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: i ran the seatools cd btw, it's nothing more than a glorified SMART quick self test |
| 08:03.40 | edolly^ | where are my kde headers? |
| 08:03.46 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: what a waste of a cd-r |
| 08:03.48 | bazboo | konfuzed: recall that on public keys, the numbers are 10x less common than usual symmetric key numbers, so you need 10x the key size in bits or so |
| 08:03.53 | edolly^ | or rather, how do i ./configure now? |
| 08:03.57 | mynullvoid | how can I list all files in either cur or new ? |
| 08:04.00 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: lol |
| 08:04.11 | bazboo | konfuzed: hence 1024 public is ~= 128 symmetric |
| 08:04.16 | emacs_buddy | RabbeinuTam:~# cat /proc/bus/input/devices ~ I: Bus=0010 Vendor=001f Product=0001 Version=0100 ~ N: Name="PC Speaker" ~ P: Phys=isa0061/input0 ~ S: Sysfs=/class/input/input0 ~ H: Handlers=kbd event0 ~ B: EV=40001 ~ B: SND=6 ~ |
| 08:04.37 | SerajewelKS | konfuzed: gpg keys can be up to 4096 bits iirc |
| 08:04.39 | bazboo | mynullvoid: please rephrase |
| 08:04.44 | emacs_buddy | haha it thinks my speaker is a keyboard!!! |
| 08:04.55 | konfuzed | so that would get wto be wroth 256 symetric |
| 08:05.04 | emacs_buddy | that is very funny |
| 08:05.10 | bazboo | emacs_buddy: not quite; the pc speaker is thought of as part of the input layer in 2.6 kernel |
| 08:05.18 | bazboo | emacs_buddy: yes this is fucked up but it is true |
| 08:05.31 | konfuzed | kewl for audio input layer on speaker port |
| 08:05.40 | bazboo | konfuzed: more like 384 or so |
| 08:05.42 | mynullvoid | bazboo: I want to ls two subfolder files, can it be done something like ls /home/john/Maildir/{cur|new} ? |
| 08:05.49 | konfuzed | man that bytes |
| 08:06.00 | edolly^ | i get this error when i ./configure klamav - error: in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail. So, check this please and use another prefix! |
| 08:06.04 | bazboo | mynullvoid: ah hmm, that's a bit tricky |
| 08:06.15 | konfuzed | i was hoping 1024 ro 2048 might apease the paranoid |
| 08:06.16 | edolly^ | how do i ./configure if it can't find my kde headers? |
| 08:06.36 | mynullvoid | bazboo: I saw that before and can't think off the usage cur|new |
| 08:06.42 | konfuzed | give them some time so to speak |
| 08:06.56 | konfuzed | before the rally speach or somethin |
| 08:07.05 | bazboo | mynullvoid: perhaps (cur|new) with the path in '' to avoid pissing the shell off? |
| 08:07.12 | weissi | mynullvoid: is ls /home/john/Maildir/{cur,new} enough? |
| 08:07.16 | SerajewelKS | edolly^: apt-get install kdelibs4-dev |
| 08:07.29 | edolly^ | thanks SerajewelKS |
| 08:07.36 | bazboo | mynullvoid: looks like weissi might have it |
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| 08:07.57 | Sonny | is it forced to use kdm with kde or can I use gdm with kde? is there any problem? |
| 08:08.00 | emacs_buddy | this a the second time that i did this install onthat machine. did sarge desktop install then switch to sid then apt-get dist upgrade all is thing then i try to use a newer kernel and then no keyboard. the older kernel 2.6.8-2 works fine. all my other sid boxes are ok - this system i amd not working through an intermediate upgrade to 2.6.12 so i think that udev is screwing up |
| 08:08.13 | mynullvoid | weissi: thanks hehehh |
| 08:08.27 | bazboo | w00t my laptop battery is recharged but i don't have a GF to make sure *my* battery is recharged :-( |
| 08:08.29 | weissi | bazboo, that works and just does the same as `ls /home/john/Maildir/cur /home/john/Maildir/new` |
| 08:08.31 | konfuzed | so the 2.6 kernel could allow runing a back ground app to listen on the speaker port hmmmm |
| 08:08.38 | _mad_penguin | Is debian strictly lfs compliant? |
| 08:08.44 | weissi | mynullvoid, you where pretty close with your question ;-)) |
| 08:08.49 | bazboo | weissi: yeah i was just bumping mynullvoid in case he jump to another term or something |
| 08:08.50 | konfuzed | no wonder they are security paranoid ;^) |
| 08:09.03 | weasel00 | bazboo : apt-get girlfriend 1.0 -) |
| 08:09.08 | bazboo | weissi: thanks for the tip |
| 08:09.18 | weissi | bazboo, :-) |
| 08:09.25 | bazboo | weasel00: yeah but for some reason girlfriend emus are never too good |
| 08:09.38 | fireba11 | weasel00: apt-get a life |
| 08:10.00 | konfuzed | are you kiddin girlfriend emus are way less complicated ;^) |
| 08:10.03 | emacs_buddy | so how to get the input to be my keyboard |
| 08:10.08 | weasel00 | fireba11 : i have several running =) |
| 08:10.09 | bazboo | weissi: i suspect from your nick you're german. was geht up? |
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| 08:10.29 | Tallu | apt-cache search girlfriend |
| 08:10.33 | edolly^ | thanks SerajewelKS it's working :-) |
| 08:10.41 | weissi | bazboo, correct :-)) I come from Freiburg, you? |
| 08:10.56 | bazboo | Tallu: first i need to apt-get install money |
| 08:11.03 | bazboo | Tallu: girlfriend depends on it |
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| 08:11.09 | konfuzed | hahahahhaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 08:11.09 | _mad_penguin | is debian strictly lfs compliant? |
| 08:11.13 | weasel00 | lmao |
| 08:11.14 | amri[asd | wazaa |
| 08:11.17 | Tallu | bazboo: true that |
| 08:11.19 | bazboo | Tallu: and sadly it won't autoget it for you first |
| 08:11.19 | konfuzed | absolut ly |
| 08:11.28 | bazboo | Tallu: you have to install it manually |
| 08:11.46 | bazboo | weasel00: i'm from CA.US |
| 08:11.46 | Tallu | bazboo: no one told me that. :( |
| 08:11.50 | fireba11 | bazboo: yeah .. you should think girlfriend would come with money since it requires it .. |
| 08:12.01 | bazboo | fireba11: yes but that would be rational |
| 08:12.16 | bazboo | fireba11: hence not a true to form emulation of a girlfriend |
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| 08:12.31 | weissi | bazboo, from US? and you speak german? |
| 08:12.38 | bazboo | fireba11: part of a good emu is leaving certain bugs unpatched to match the behavior of the original |
| 08:12.42 | konfuzed | seee secure email can never save you from a prying girlfriend either |
| 08:12.46 | bazboo | weissi: yes, seit 1998 ;-) |
| 08:12.52 | weasel00 | bazboo : keep in mind installing girlfriend and wife will corrupt your system |
| 08:12.54 | fireba11 | bazboo: also i hate those girlfriend 2.3 nagscreens that bug you to upgrade to wife 1.0 ^^ |
| 08:13.11 | emacs_buddy | so noone has any good ideas about my keyboard problem :( |
| 08:13.13 | bazboo | weasel00: yeah i think they have a Conflicts and you have to use --force-overwrite |
| 08:13.18 | weissi | bazboo, achso, ich versteh |
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| 08:13.27 | bazboo | weasel00: which gets real ugly when you uninstall one of them |
| 08:13.32 | fireba11 | emacs_buddy: nope ... never had keyboard NOT working |
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| 08:14.00 | weasel00 | bazboo : removing wife is a real pain cause it will take half your system with it. |
| 08:14.30 | bazboo | weasel00: yeah and when you purge it never seems to get rid of all of the conf files |
| 08:14.34 | _mad_penguin | can someone give me an answer, please. is debian lfs compliant? |
| 08:14.48 | Tallu | And just when you configure your wife to work properly, she gets uninstalled by some weird bug in the system |
| 08:14.49 | bazboo | !lfs |
| 08:14.50 | dpkg | [lfs] large file support -- http://www.suse.de/~aj/linux_lfs.html, or ask me about linux from scratch |
| 08:14.51 | weissi | _mad_penguin, you mean LSB? |
| 08:14.54 | bazboo | !patience |
| 08:14.55 | dpkg | i heard patience is a virtue. If you don't have the time to read the documentation about Debian, please don't ask questions here about Debian. |
| 08:14.58 | _mad_penguin | lfs |
| 08:15.06 | bazboo | _mad_penguin: large file? |
| 08:15.20 | fireba11 | _mad_penguin: since noone seems to know or cfare try debian.org it should be on there somewhere |
| 08:15.20 | _mad_penguin | linux file system standard |
| 08:15.24 | _mad_penguin | =lfs |
| 08:15.42 | fireba11 | !lsb |
| 08:15.42 | dpkg | i heard lsb is The Linux Standard Base, a set of guidelines which all linux distributions should follow to ensure compatability between them. More information can be found at http://www.linuxbase.org/, or very incomplete |
| 08:15.43 | bazboo | _mad_penguin: i don't think that's a standard, i think it's part of LSB |
| 08:15.58 | bazboo | _mad_penguin: so it's more a substandard, in both senses of the term |
| 08:16.11 | _mad_penguin | thanks |
| 08:16.13 | konfuzed | http://www.tombirdsey.com/ really this site sums it up very nicely |
| 08:16.14 | qiix | subhuman |
| 08:16.18 | bazboo | _mad_penguin: at any rate, there is an official published ratified spec for where debian puts its files |
| 08:16.29 | weasel00 | ik spreek een weinig Nederlands die niemand doet =) |
| 08:17.01 | fireba11 | bazboo: you know where that is ? should read it once i guess :-) |
| 08:17.05 | bazboo | konfuzed: heh |
| 08:17.25 | bazboo | fireba11: let me see if i can dig it up; i take it you mean the debian fs layout |
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| 08:17.35 | fireba11 | bazboo: yes |
| 08:18.02 | orchid | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/user/ch-files.html |
| 08:18.24 | bazboo | http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/fhs/ |
| 08:18.32 | bazboo | _mad_penguin: http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/fhs/ |
| 08:18.35 | bazboo | fireba11: http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/fhs/ |
| 08:18.39 | fireba11 | thanks |
| 08:19.04 | konfuzed | the girlfriend systemic problem scenario |
| 08:19.09 | dvm1981 | weasel: Ben je een nederlandstalige ? |
| 08:19.10 | _mad_penguin | thanks bazboo |
| 08:19.20 | konfuzed | the two way street problem |
| 08:19.33 | konfuzed | http://www.tombirdsey.com/ really this site sums it up very nicely |
| 08:19.42 | fireba11 | konfuzed: i my case the where-is-the-road-problem .. anyway |
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| 08:19.48 | weasel00 | dvm1981 : lived there for a while long many years ago.. my dutch is fairly ass now lol |
| 08:19.57 | bazboo | konfuzed: right-o |
| 08:20.27 | bazboo | konfuzed: problem is women don't have to care but we do |
| 08:20.28 | dvm1981 | weasel00: I have it a bit :-/ need to use it to maintain it ;-) |
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| 08:20.47 | konfuzed | problem is i didnt get out of it soon enough |
| 08:21.06 | bazboo | well it is Dutch, so it sounds like you talk German with gouds in your mouth at the same time anyways; don't expect it to sound great even when you are fluent |
| 08:21.15 | bazboo | gouda* |
| 08:21.19 | weasel00 | dvm1981 : problem is i dont know anyone who speaks it cept a few kids i game with and i cant keep up with the slang and shorthand lol |
| 08:21.26 | konfuzed | she almost got half my system |
| 08:21.46 | konfuzed | and has kept some very integral source code |
| 08:21.59 | konfuzed | biatch |
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| 08:22.14 | absolutzero | hey all |
| 08:22.15 | weasel00 | bazboo : my dutch was clean and without an accent, even pure from an amsterdamn accent ;) |
| 08:22.18 | dvm1981 | weasel: There is an #debian-nl, with now 3 users(my also now :-/) |
| 08:22.28 | bazboo | konfuzed: oof |
| 08:22.42 | bazboo | konfuzed: sounds like she put Reiser on you and then fscked you too much |
| 08:22.59 | weasel00 | dvm1981 : im having enough fun working with debian in english let alone in a foreign lang |
| 08:23.02 | absolutzero | Hey, does anyone know of a console based app that allows a user to view imaage files? |
| 08:23.02 | bazboo | weasel00: nice work :-) |
| 08:23.04 | konfuzed | uh pretty much |
| 08:23.10 | absolutzero | <not framebuffer either> |
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| 08:23.35 | Canna | anyone here know a bit about ALSA? |
| 08:23.37 | weasel00 | bazboo : i have a gift for languages.. just need immersion and its on =) |
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| 08:24.10 | bazboo | weasel00: yeah i think i have that but have not tested it beyond de_DE en_US and en_UK |
| 08:24.23 | weasel00 | bazoo : time to hit the clubs =) |
| 08:24.37 | absolutzero | cuz seejpeg isn't for debian :( |
| 08:24.43 | konfuzed | the real stress comes from the secondary or passive abuse delivered upon the source code as time goes on |
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| 08:24.55 | Canna | because the howto doesnt really describe how it works, and in my case I need to know how ALSA works |
| 08:25.45 | bazboo | konfuzed: ah subtle corruption until it infiltrated your backup media |
| 08:25.56 | bazboo | !tell Canna about ask |
| 08:26.06 | weasel00 | bazboo : goto bartending school and get a parttime job bartending... get a date in no time ;) |
| 08:26.09 | bazboo | Canna: what about how it works do you need to know |
| 08:26.11 | bazboo | !alsa |
| 08:26.12 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
| 08:26.15 | bazboo | weasel00: hmm good point |
| 08:26.16 | konfuzed | stole the back up media out right |
| 08:26.27 | weasel00 | bazboo : it works =) |
| 08:26.32 | bazboo | konfuzed: damn that's Ocean's 11 bojankage style |
| 08:26.35 | konfuzed | when my system was down from being over worked |
| 08:26.40 | Canna | well i know about that ask, but thanks lemme try to explain it the best I can |
| 08:26.46 | dvm1981 | Canna have some troubles to get his sound to work, so he need help to get that working |
| 08:27.00 | bazboo | right-o but we need some gory details :-) |
| 08:27.15 | bazboo | Canna: Pay attention to the detlais! :-D |
| 08:27.36 | dvm1981 | Some guys here tryed to help, but without an succes. But his sound has played for some seconds, when testing some things |
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| 08:28.05 | Canna | people were working with me for like 5 hours before and couldnt get my sound working, I got it working myself a couple hours later by experimenting... they kept telling me, Make SURE the program your using is set to use ALSA, well i took it off alsa when i saw that one program was working, cause I swore it wasnt a group problem, and it isnt, anyway when i put it in OSS it worked |
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| 08:28.06 | dvm1981 | bazboo: what? |
| 08:28.19 | bazboo | Canna: might need to ask in #alsa for a few days and also you might have to post to official alsa mail list |
| 08:28.20 | Canna | actually i have since gotten it to work, no one was here for me to tell at the time tho |
| 08:28.23 | absolutzero | so nobody know of a good console based image viewer? |
| 08:28.33 | bazboo | Canna: alright which app is this |
| 08:28.38 | bazboo | Canna: which sound card |
| 08:28.39 | Canna | its supposed to just work tho? |
| 08:28.48 | Canna | any app, but gamesurround fortissimo II |
| 08:28.51 | _mad_penguin | absolutezero: seejpeg |
| 08:28.58 | bazboo | Canna: lol nothing related to a driver 'just works' in Linux :-D :-D |
| 08:29.08 | orchid | absolutzero: it's not something generally most people do (view images in the console without fb) |
| 08:29.19 | Canna | I mean i would imagine there would be something to link to the ALSAlib but who knows |
| 08:29.28 | absolutzero | does seejpeg have a debian package? |
| 08:29.28 | Canna | thats what i meant haha :-) |
| 08:29.29 | bazboo | absolutzero: have a peek at zgv if you can use svgalib |
| 08:29.53 | absolutzero | why not? Fb sucks |
| 08:29.56 | bazboo | Canna: so what alsa snd- module does this card take |
| 08:30.03 | dvm1981 | Canna: Sure that the both modules OSS and ALSA are not loaded? The two at the same time will not work |
| 08:30.06 | bazboo | absolutzero: Even Linus hates FB. |
| 08:30.13 | slinn | is there a way i can log one of my own ssh session's to a remote host?? |
| 08:30.19 | bazboo | dvm1981: oh boy that would fuck things up for sure |
| 08:30.21 | jm_ | slinn: man script |
| 08:30.26 | bazboo | slinn: please clarify |
| 08:30.43 | dvm1981 | bazboo: Yes, knowing, but i suspect that he has the both loaded! |
| 08:30.45 | Sonny | how can I chose one kdm theme to use? |
| 08:30.49 | bazboo | slinn: once on one machine you can ressh to the next |
| 08:30.59 | bazboo | dvm1981: right i was just agreeing with you :-) |
| 08:31.02 | SerajewelKS | Sonny: kdm theme? |
| 08:31.04 | Canna | dvm1981: hold on what is the alsa module? |
| 08:31.10 | slinn | jm_: thanks, that's what i'm looking for |
| 08:31.13 | absolutzero | lol |
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| 08:31.30 | bazboo | dvm1981: btw in en_US, dvm means 'doctor of veterinary medicine' or that you are an animal doctor ;-) |
| 08:31.34 | Canna | they kept telling me to load the oss module and the cs46xx which i had used in the past that worked |
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| 08:31.43 | Sonny | SerajewelKS: Yep kdm thete |
| 08:31.44 | dvm1981 | Sonny: hhmm, i know to less about the config of Alsa and OSS. But know when the both... |
| 08:31.45 | Sonny | theme |
| 08:32.01 | SerajewelKS | Sonny: maybe i'm ignorant, but i don't think there is such a thing |
| 08:32.19 | bazboo | SerajewelKS: which, kdm or themes for kdm |
| 08:32.20 | absolutzero | hmmm anyone know of a guide for setting up the MIT-Magic cookie? |
| 08:32.20 | dvm1981 | bazboo: It's also the abrevation of my name :-/ |
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| 08:32.33 | jm_ | absolutzero: ask the real question |
| 08:32.36 | SerajewelKS | bazboo: kdm themes |
| 08:32.39 | bazboo | SerajewelKS: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=18160 |
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| 08:32.46 | edolly^ | i installed klamav and everything went well, but now i can't find it or know how to start it |
| 08:32.53 | edolly^ | even the docs are useless |
| 08:32.54 | bazboo | SerajewelKS: note it takes KDM 3.4 CVS |
| 08:33.02 | Sonny | SerajewelKS: surf http://www.kde-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=40 |
| 08:33.05 | absolutzero | I need to set up an MIT-Magic cookie for X-Forwarding on putty |
| 08:33.05 | bazboo | SerajewelKS: which is in sid since a while of course but it kind of new |
| 08:33.10 | dvm1981 | So like i have also mess up my config of my sound on my laptop ... :-/ |
| 08:33.16 | bazboo | SerajewelKS: s/it/is/g |
| 08:33.16 | SerajewelKS | bazboo: uh, kde 3.5 is in testing |
| 08:33.22 | weasel00 | bazboo : could also mean "david victor michaels [born] 1981" |
| 08:33.25 | Canna | so you guys were suggesting i post on #alsa in what server? |
| 08:33.33 | bazboo | SerajewelKS: ah i didn't think 3.5 trickled down to testing |
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| 08:33.42 | SerajewelKS | bazboo: only two months ago |
| 08:33.53 | bazboo | SerajewelKS: but what i meant was, of course now it's supported in mainline, but just not since very long |
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| 08:34.03 | jm_ | no you don't, putty should reuse existing mit-magic-cookie |
| 08:34.04 | mynullvoid | bazboo: do you have any idea how to move a file from a dir to another dir but to keep the timestamp intact ? |
| 08:34.08 | bazboo | SerajewelKS: yeah in any case i have got 3.5 on my sid+experimental boxen |
| 08:34.14 | bazboo | mynullvoid: hmm |
| 08:34.30 | bazboo | mynullvoid: you can h4x0r the time with touch ;-) |
| 08:34.34 | absolutzero | so putty should do it automatically? |
| 08:34.46 | absolutzero | Putty is also asking for the location of the X-Display |
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| 08:35.00 | absolutzero | is that the location on the remote machine or the local machine? |
| 08:35.04 | jm_ | yes, you need to enter that and sshd should allow X11 forwarding for it to work |
| 08:35.06 | jm_ | local machine |
| 08:35.24 | mynullvoid | bazboo: is there any way? |
| 08:35.29 | absolutzero | crap. Might as wel keep using TightVNC |
| 08:35.37 | bazboo | mynullvoid: touch will let you change the times |
| 08:35.44 | absolutzero | hmmm...could I make Putty use TightVNC? |
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| 08:35.46 | bazboo | mynullvoid: man touch |
| 08:35.57 | mynullvoid | bazboo: every file have diff timestamp |
| 08:36.13 | mynullvoid | bazboo: I had read about touch |
| 08:36.15 | bazboo | mynullvoid: cp --preserve=timestamps |
| 08:36.26 | bazboo | mynullvoid: and other such choices, man cp |
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| 08:37.15 | mynullvoid | bazboo: this is mv and not cp |
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| 08:37.22 | bazboo | mynullvoid: -p is of course the POSIX cp backup option |
| 08:37.31 | bazboo | mynullvoid: what about cp, rm? |
| 08:37.54 | edolly^ | i installed klamav and everything went well, but now i can't find it or know how to start it..how do i start klamav? |
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| 08:38.29 | bazboo | mynullvoid: slower if the files are large, since mv just tweaks inodes if the files are on a common fs, but might be what you must do |
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| 08:38.44 | Iteniel_ | hali |
| 08:38.52 | Iteniel_ | ki beszél itt magyart? |
| 08:38.56 | Iteniel_ | vagy németet |
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| 08:39.20 | weasel00 | !hu |
| 08:39.21 | dpkg | rumour has it, hu is Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a #debian.hu -t. |
| 08:39.21 | bazboo | !hungarian |
| 08:39.27 | absolutzero | is my MIT MagicCookie messed up? |
| 08:39.30 | absolutzero | user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. |
| 08:39.46 | Iteniel_ | oks |
| 08:39.50 | Iteniel_ | thanks |
| 08:39.55 | bazboo | absolutzero: could be |
| 08:39.58 | absolutzero | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 08:39.58 | absolutzero | Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key |
| 08:40.01 | absolutzero | yup |
| 08:40.02 | edolly^ | whew i found it. /usr/local/kde/bin/klamav |
| 08:40.02 | bazboo | !Xauthority |
| 08:40.02 | dpkg | methinks xauthority is use: xauth merge /home/user/.Xauthority |
| 08:40.04 | edolly^ | dangit |
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| 08:40.20 | absolutzero | k |
| 08:40.23 | bazboo | absolutzero: or you tried to root to a user X session |
| 08:40.43 | absolutzero | no I was logged as user |
| 08:40.55 | bazboo | absolutzero: basically you can del the .Xauthority and start over, or you can use sudo or one of the X su utilities to start your root utilities in user X |
| 08:41.12 | bazboo | absolutzero: yeah in that case maybe the file is t3h f|_|x0r |
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| 08:41.54 | bazboo | øØ |
| 08:42.13 | absolutzero | but if I delet it, how do I repair the md5 hash? |
| 08:42.30 | bazboo | absolutzero: er heh |
| 08:42.33 | bazboo | !xmd5 |
| 08:42.33 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 08:42.49 | bazboo | absolutzero: as you can see the md5 is on the X conf file not the cookie file |
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| 08:42.52 | SerajewelKS | absolutzero: we're deleting $HOME/.Xauthority not your X config |
| 08:43.25 | absolutzero | Oh okay |
| 08:43.34 | bazboo | !mit-magic-cookie |
| 08:43.35 | dpkg | mit-magic-cookie is probably 'su user_running_x -c "xauth extract - $DISPLAY" | xauth merge -' or "export XAUTHORITY=/home/<USER_RUNNING_X>/.Xauthority" (either (but not both) will let you run programs under X as root, when X was started by non-root), but xhost +localhost is damned insecure. Setting export XAUTHORITY=/home/$USER/.Xauthority in /etc/profile makes it automatic. 'zless /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz'. Also, see sshx |
| 08:43.51 | absolutzero | well that could be a problem |
| 08:44.09 | absolutzero | I dont see an .Xauthority in /~ |
| 08:44.18 | SerajewelKS | absolutzero: and there is your problem |
| 08:44.18 | bazboo | lol |
| 08:44.20 | SerajewelKS | absolutzero: restart X |
| 08:44.22 | jm_ | yes, perfectly normal ... |
| 08:44.40 | absolutzero | well X runs normally on the local machine |
| 08:44.46 | absolutzero | I am running remotley |
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| 08:45.02 | bazboo | jm_: normal??? |
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| 08:45.25 | absolutzero | I think somewhere my system is configured to use the default .Xauthority or something like that |
| 08:45.44 | absolutzero | wait found it |
| 08:45.44 | jm_ | bazboo: yes, in Linux no user has homedir in /~ |
| 08:45.56 | absolutzero | my bad ~ |
| 08:46.08 | absolutzero | if you type cd ~ it takes you home |
| 08:46.16 | bazboo | jm_: they could! |
| 08:46.21 | jm_ | cd alone does that |
| 08:46.24 | jm_ | bazboo: no doubt |
| 08:46.47 | absolutzero | okay so I delet the .Xauthority and then try starting up X? |
| 08:47.09 | bazboo | jm_: the trickier one would be a dir of /: |
| 08:47.23 | bazboo | jm_: how would it be written in passwd? |
| 08:47.37 | absolutzero | that didnt work |
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| 08:48.40 | absolutzero | check out flood |
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| 08:49.21 | karsten | Anyone know if the search bar Kubuntu's got for konqueror is in Debian somewhere? |
| 08:49.47 | jm_ | bazboo: just like it is on Solaris: root:x:0:1:Super-User:/:/sbin/sh |
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| 08:49.58 | jm_ | bazboo: ahh sorry, I missed the trailing ":" |
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| 08:51.36 | absolutzero | xinit: unable to connect to X server |
| 08:51.36 | absolutzero | xinit: No such process (errno 3): Server error. |
| 08:51.36 | absolutzero | Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console |
| 08:51.41 | Peizhao | anyone know how to solve the problem: "modprobe: Note: /etc/modules.conf is more recent than /lib/modules/2.4.30/modules.dep" |
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| 08:52.10 | absolutzero | hmmm maybe a need to start X on a new display |
| 08:52.11 | jm_ | Peizhao: yes |
| 08:52.22 | Peizhao | please help |
| 08:52.36 | Peizhao | i tried the update_modules |
| 08:52.44 | Peizhao | no luck |
| 08:52.48 | jm_ | update-modules, not update_modules |
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| 08:53.23 | jm_ | either way, it's just a warning, not a problem per-se |
| 08:53.23 | absolutzero | how do I startx on a new display? |
| 08:53.24 | Peizhao | yes, sorry, |
| 08:53.50 | SerajewelKS | absolutzero: xinit -- :1 |
| 08:54.02 | karsten | Peizhao: depmod -a |
| 08:54.22 | Peizhao | it said Configuration for mips.generic not found, trying mips Architecture-specific modutils configuration not found, using defaults |
| 08:54.27 | jm_ | Peizhao: depmod should be run on boot |
| 08:54.28 | karsten | Peizhao: ... or what jm_ said. I don't know 'zactly. Not a critical problem. |
| 08:55.20 | dvm1981_lptp | What is the diference of ASLA and OSS? Wich one is best to use? |
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| 08:55.32 | absolutzero | danke |
| 08:55.56 | absolutzero | dang still saying not authorized... |
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| 08:56.29 | Peizhao | same, when I load up the driver modules, still warning |
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| 08:56.51 | karsten | dvm1981_lptp: I think ALSA's the somewhat preferred choice. |
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| 08:57.10 | karsten | dvm1981_lptp: ... IIRC it lets multiple programs use audio output/input at the same time. |
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| 08:57.37 | dvm1981_lptp | I had some dificules to setup my sound a month or two. Finally with some guys here, i have been set it up with ALSA. A week again i have try with OSS. And now no more sound :-/ |
| 08:57.52 | SerajewelKS | karsten: if you have dmix or hardware multiplexing, then yes |
| 08:57.56 | absolutzero | oh well tightvnc is good enough |
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| 08:58.19 | jm_ | karsten: OSS can do that too with the right card |
| 08:58.20 | dvm1981_lptp | SerajewelKS: Yes, that was the case. |
| 08:58.48 | karsten | SerajewelKS: OK. I've never fully understood how / why it works, don't do enough audio stuff to really worry about it. |
| 08:58.53 | jm_ | Peizhao: did you run depmod -a? |
| 08:58.55 | dvm1981_lptp | OSS are the default one of the kernel? |
| 08:58.58 | Peizhao | yes |
| 08:59.02 | dvm1981_lptp | hhhmm |
| 08:59.10 | jeffrin | what is the gnus command to open a mail file ? |
| 08:59.16 | jm_ | did it update timestamp on the file? |
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| 08:59.55 | Peizhao | what file? |
| 09:00.05 | jm_ | the one its complaining about ... |
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| 09:00.23 | dvm1981_lptp | When i run 'alsaconf', and after try to detect that card. He find it, but the he only say 'Result OK' |
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| 09:01.26 | Thanatermesis | with my new 2.6.15 kernel on ETCH, cdrecord don't recognizes my cd-burner (dvd), but gnomebaker yes... what is the actual dev=???? now ? |
| 09:01.56 | dvm1981_lptp | Someone know the module name of snd-es1688 but for OSS. I think i need to uncomment it. Because try to use ALSA |
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| 09:02.42 | wireddd | Thanatermesis, try setting the dev=/dev/hd? |
| 09:02.51 | Thanatermesis | hum, this sounds easy :) |
| 09:03.08 | wireddd | hdb or hdc or whichever your dvd burner is |
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| 09:03.20 | karsten | Hrm. konq-plugins. |
| 09:03.32 | Thanatermesis | let me check this... when gnomebaker has finish to record the cd i try it |
| 09:03.50 | TraceGreenbaby | Hello, does every bytes in utf16 is between 0x20 and 0x7f? |
| 09:03.59 | Peizhao | yes, up to current timestamp |
| 09:04.01 | dvm1981_lptp | Like ALSA was the one working before... before i mes it up with OSS |
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| 09:07.12 | absolutzero | hmm |
| 09:07.52 | absolutzero | how do I un-install a package, and packages that were installed along with it? |
| 09:08.02 | jm_ | aptitude does that |
| 09:08.26 | jm_ | then modprobe should not complain, unless timestamp on the other file is fucked (set in the future) |
| 09:08.30 | Peizhao | hi, it updated the timestamp, and then? what is mean |
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| 09:09.46 | Peizhao | ok, this might be caused by my device that doesn't has battery to store hardware clock |
| 09:09.51 | jm_ | yeah |
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| 09:10.48 | Peizhao | so does it cause anything goes slower then? |
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| 09:11.35 | jm_ | naah, but you might have weird issues like this |
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| 09:12.10 | enveezee | !test |
| 09:12.10 | dpkg | No, enveezee, you're not online any more. |
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| 09:12.35 | Peizhao | also, could you help me with another device which has i386 arch |
| 09:12.55 | jm_ | you have to ask your question(s) first |
| 09:12.59 | enveezee | actually i an still online thats the book thing |
| 09:13.22 | Peizhao | i dropped the kernel 2.4.31 over provided 2.4.23, it work, however, the network is not working somehow |
| 09:13.26 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 09:13.27 | dpkg | from memory, qotd103 is <punchik> everytime i use google i get a message that says its no safe , and other people can read what im writing because its not encrypted <Guerin> punchik: do you care if people see what you google for? <punchik> yes <punchik> i dont want people to know that i use to look for shemales |
| 09:13.42 | Peizhao | I can ping to router and other linux machine within the LAN |
| 09:14.08 | absolutzero | dang...I dont think tightvnc does more that 256 colors... |
| 09:14.22 | Peizhao | i can ping outside, i was thinking the might set the proxy, however, I don't know where to find it |
| 09:14.34 | enveezee | damn t9 s/book/cool/ |
| 09:14.35 | Peizhao | I can't ping outside |
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| 09:15.17 | dvm1981_lptp | Peizhao: Firewall? |
| 09:15.33 | Peizhao | i checked the route and ip, how do I check it |
| 09:15.57 | dvm1981_lptp | Peizhao: The 'resolv.conf'? |
| 09:15.59 | Peizhao | as I remember, when I tried it , iptables, and it result in some error message |
| 09:16.07 | dvm1981_lptp | hhhmmm |
| 09:16.46 | dvm1981_lptp | Peizhao: iptables --help |
| 09:16.52 | Peizhao | ok, I fucked my CompactFlash image today, I am making a new one, I have a look once I got back the system |
| 09:16.54 | troyme | when xgl will be available on debian? |
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| 09:17.57 | dvm1981_lptp | Peizhao: I think you need the --flush switch |
| 09:17.59 | Peizhao | anyone have idea about how stable those CompactFlash medias are? during my work, I found it is really un-stable for file system |
| 09:18.25 | Peizhao | what do you mean by flush switch |
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| 09:18.37 | dvm1981_lptp | Peizhao: iptables --help |
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| 09:18.48 | absolutzero | now if I can get fbdesk working right |
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| 09:19.27 | enveezee | you know that little handle on the side of the commode |
| 09:19.30 | Sonny | can you tell me how to create a new profile to my thunderbird, cause it doesnt load correctly |
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| 09:20.10 | comsa | hello??? |
| 09:20.12 | comsa | I have a porblem with mozilla, click on mozilla program starts then shuts down taking mail and chatzilla with it |
| 09:20.27 | kolja1234 | I have problem with ATI graphic card, I use X.Org 6.9, but on support.ati.com I have driver for X.Org 6.8, where I can download driver for newer X.Org ? |
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| 09:21.16 | mynullvoid | what wrong with the first 'fi' at this: if [[ -e $file1 ]]; then cp $file1 $file2; if [[ -e $file2 ]]; rm $file2; fi; else; echo "error"; fi |
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| 09:21.41 | valdyn | !ati drivers |
| 09:21.41 | dpkg | If you wish to use ATI's closed-source binary fglrx driver, then follow the instructions on http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian-official/fglrx-driver.html - do NOT try to convert the drivers from ATI's website yourself with Alien. These drivers support Radeon 8500 or higher cards. |
| 09:21.47 | troyme | kolja1234 download the .run file.it support xorg 6.9 |
| 09:21.48 | valdyn | kolja1234: do not use atis installer or package |
| 09:22.04 | valdyn | kolja1234: no dont use ati's files at all |
| 09:22.33 | kolja1234 | troy: tnx. |
| 09:23.07 | kolja1234 | valdyn: Way not? |
| 09:23.30 | valdyn | kolja1234: they overwrite debian package files 'illigally' |
| 09:24.03 | dvm1981_lptp | valdyn: And if you have already done that? What to do to get it back again? |
| 09:24.13 | kolja1234 | valdyn: Damn....... |
| 09:24.31 | kolja1234 | valdyn: that is big problem grrr,, |
| 09:24.40 | valdyn | dvm1981_lptp: uninstall them, reinstall the relevant X packages ( i cant tell you which ), and install ati drivers the debian way |
| 09:25.20 | troyme | kolja1234: you can get the deb package by the .run file though sh XXX.run --build Debian/sid or something else |
| 09:25.25 | valdyn | dvm1981_lptp: you can probably get away with only installing the drivers the debian way, which will leave you probably with broken files, but i would think only ones that you do not use anwyay |
| 09:25.50 | Mazingaro | please, I've got a problem with xmms on sid: failed to open audio output: ALSA 1.2.10 output plugin |
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| 09:26.16 | kolja1234 | troyme: I'm on sarge, but I use backports with new x.org |
| 09:26.24 | dvm1981_lptp | valdyn: I need to do it here on an computer, i messed that up, so no 3D on it :-( |
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| 09:27.43 | valdyn | dvm1981_lptp: and you have installed the proper way yet? |
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| 09:28.06 | kolja1234 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:28.15 | kolja1234 | ups :-) |
| 09:28.19 | troyme | kolja1234:also easy with that |
| 09:28.46 | dvm1981_lptp | valdyn: I have try it also, but 3d not get working. I switch from computer and try it again now. My sound prob on the laptop is for another time :-/ |
| 09:29.27 | valdyn | dvm1981_lptp: just track the precise error then, look for errors in your X log file.. |
| 09:29.41 | kolja1234 | troyme: but packages in backports is checked. |
| 09:30.22 | Mazingaro | fixed! was .xmms directory... mv .xmms .xmms.old |
| 09:30.37 | dvm1981 | valdyn: Yes, right, i think also that i have now a bit more knowledges of that system, so if some troubles, i can ask here, and understand it better :-) It's some time ago that i had tested that |
| 09:31.15 | troyme | kolja1234:another way is to run the .run file by sh XXX.run directly and install the driver ,but make the system dirty |
| 09:32.06 | dvm1981 | valdyn: Thanks for these sugestion, that motivate me an MB :-) |
| 09:32.28 | summer | np |
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| 09:33.18 | summer | np |
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| 09:34.10 | michael117 | where can I download more gnome panels? |
| 09:34.41 | michael117 | or applets or whatever they are called |
| 09:35.00 | dvm1981 | michael117: What type of applets what you? |
| 09:35.59 | dvm1981 | michael117: Look for 'wm' in synaptic or with 'apt-cache' |
| 09:36.34 | dvm1981 | michael117: 'wmcpuload' for example |
| 09:36.58 | valdyn | michael117: apt-cache search gnome applet |
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| 09:43.07 | Sonny | do you know how can I install thunderbird 1.5 in debian etch? |
| 09:43.59 | AndiM | Sonny: possibly apt-get update; apt-cache search thunderbird; apt-get install <package> ? |
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| 09:44.38 | AndiM | And if apt-get update doesn't work properly, then verify correctness of /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 09:44.43 | Sonny | AndiM: theres no thunderbird 1.5 in debian repositories |
| 09:45.23 | AndiM | Sonny: oh, it seems I have to readjust my peer user skill level assumption then ;) |
| 09:46.12 | Sonny | yep |
| 09:46.41 | ulrich | SERVER #ubuntu |
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| 09:47.11 | AndiM | Sonny: you could just get the .tar.gz files from Mozilla and extract them under /usr/local and add a launcher script at /usr/local/bin. That works mighty fine for Firefox 1.5.x.x on my system. |
| 09:47.12 | dn4 | Does anyone where I can find colors? |
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| 09:47.31 | dn4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:47.31 | Jhair | dn4: what do you mean colors |
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| 09:48.07 | AndiM | dn4: you could launch gimp and experiment with the color selector which will also output color values in those web values... |
| 09:48.33 | dn4 | oh sweet |
| 09:48.36 | dn4 | I just installed gimp |
| 09:48.37 | dn4 | :) |
| 09:48.41 | AndiM | heh :) |
| 09:48.47 | Sonny | AndiM: is it necessary to extract it to /usr/local? or may be in other directory? |
| 09:48.55 | dn4 | editing a webpage right now for dna.cyberia-archives.com |
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| 09:49.17 | newbee | hi i got a box which i was able to shh into yesterday and now i get connection refused, i can ping the box but i can't ssh into it |
| 09:49.22 | AndiM | Sonny: you can extract to any suitable directory, e.g. also somewhere in your home directory (~). |
| 09:49.24 | newbee | how do i fix this? |
| 09:49.37 | Jhair | newbee: restart ssh on the box |
| 09:49.48 | Jhair | newbee: check ssh logs on the box |
| 09:50.02 | AndiM | newbee: if you can't modify the box locally, then you might want to try a telnet connection instead (INSECURE!!). |
| 09:50.15 | Jhair | never use telnet, ever |
| 09:50.32 | liable | !tell newbee about connection refused |
| 09:52.54 | dvm1981 | liable: dpkg tell nothings about it :-/ |
| 09:52.57 | tarzeau | is gavin baker here? |
| 09:53.02 | newbee | on my logs on the box when i restarted sshd i got received signal 15: terminating Server lostening on :: port 22 |
| 09:53.04 | liable | dvm1981: yes it does |
| 09:53.21 | newbee | lostening=listening |
| 09:53.44 | dvm1981 | !tell dvm1981 about about connection refused |
| 09:54.32 | dvm1981 | liable: I find my errno 'about...' ;-) |
| 09:55.17 | tarzeau | newbee: have you got ipv6? |
| 09:55.33 | newbee | no |
| 09:55.41 | newbee | but it's enabled i think |
| 09:56.07 | dvm1981 | liable: I asked to dpkg 'about connection refused', stupid of my :-/ |
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| 09:57.28 | newbee | tarzeau: i think that's it thank you |
| 09:57.37 | dn4 | anyone have any ideas on good color themes? |
| 09:57.42 | tarzeau | newbee: you're welcome |
| 09:57.55 | tarzeau | dn4: black and gray. for where and what? |
| 09:58.21 | dvm1981 | dn4: For web and so? Look in Quanta+ there are also an color palette. |
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| 10:00.03 | dn4 | tarzeau, personal website to promote my djing online |
| 10:00.30 | tarzeau | dn4: add one color to the black and gray |
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| 10:00.45 | tarzeau | dn4: like orange, blue, yellow or red, green or pink if you want |
| 10:00.55 | tarzeau | dn4: and grayscale photos |
| 10:02.54 | Sonny | AndiM: which file is the executaable? thunderbird or thundebird-bin? |
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| 10:07.10 | fluxt | does debian have a /media dir? |
| 10:07.23 | petemc | yes |
| 10:07.33 | scytheman__ | since debian 3.1 |
| 10:07.46 | fluxt | what happened to /mnt .. is it out of standard like LSB? |
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| 10:08.48 | scytheman__ | in /mnt are harddisks, in /media everything that is removable, e.g. cdrom/dvd, usb etc. |
| 10:08.54 | scytheman__ | as far as i know |
| 10:09.00 | petemc | that sounds about right |
| 10:09.33 | ormvegr | i stick my cd and dvd to /c0 and /c1 |
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| 10:09.44 | ormvegr | easy typing |
| 10:10.03 | fluxt | oh so it still uses /mnt |
| 10:10.10 | fluxt | ubuntu doesn't have /mnt at all |
| 10:10.28 | mynullvoid | where in my script, it is waiting for $1 |
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| 10:11.38 | fluxt | it's amazing, for the amount of people in here (>ubuntu), there aren't a lot asking questions, join #ubuntu and you'll see what i mean. |
| 10:11.51 | scytheman__ | hehe :) |
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| 10:12.46 | fluxt | !offtopic |
| 10:12.57 | NET||abuse | there's not icon available in pixmaps for kopete.... doh. |
| 10:13.03 | wireddd | fluxt that is because ubuntu has more new users then debian |
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| 10:13.51 | fluxt | i suppose.. similar setups. do you also have restricted apps/codes in a multiverse etc? |
| 10:14.01 | fluxt | codecs* |
| 10:14.57 | wireddd | are you talking to me? |
| 10:15.03 | tijn | nope |
| 10:15.19 | wireddd | I didn't think so |
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| 10:17.36 | dannythm | hi there, |
| 10:17.43 | dannythm | I have an stupid question |
| 10:17.53 | dannythm | how can I rename a directoru fro the shell? |
| 10:18.05 | weedar | mv oldname newname |
| 10:18.08 | blondie | mv |
| 10:18.16 | dannythm | thanks ^^ |
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| 10:18.36 | dannythm | I googled it but didn't found anything =S |
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| 10:33.07 | d4t2ilL4 | how can i check what installed on ,y system? |
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| 10:33.46 | p00ya | where's the best place to put kernel module parameters in debian sid? i want to pass joystick_port=1 to snd-ens1371, which isn't passed by default |
| 10:34.03 | p00ya | d4t2ilL4: dpkg -l |less |
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| 10:34.12 | azeem | p00ya: /etc/modprobe.d or so I think |
| 10:34.39 | jm_ | p00ya: or simply stick it to modules file |
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| 10:35.25 | p00ya | yeah i was just looking for a way that would co-operate with hotplug/udev. modprobe.d/alsa-base seems to be correct |
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| 10:36.04 | d4t2ilL4 | i am installign debian for my server, and i only install mysql, apache and sshd, pretty much soem of the lib |
| 10:36.22 | d4t2ilL4 | this is from netinst, but df / gave me that i've used 1.4gb |
| 10:36.26 | d4t2ilL4 | is this correct? |
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| 10:37.16 | wireddd | d4t2ilL4, I have more stuff than that installed an I am only using 1.10gb |
| 10:38.02 | p00ya | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:38.31 | wireddd | p00ya, we are talking about servers, not desktop systems |
| 10:38.46 | d4t2ilL4 | wireddd, what do you have more? |
| 10:38.49 | jm_ | alsa-base might be overwritten on upgrades |
| 10:39.02 | p00ya | yeah i know ;) server is 1.9gb for /usr |
| 10:39.17 | sep | d4t2ilL4, did you clean out your apt archive ? aptitude clean |
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| 10:39.31 | d4t2ilL4 | ahh not yet |
| 10:39.43 | d4t2ilL4 | I might burn the deb before clean? |
| 10:40.04 | wireddd | well apt will download them as needed |
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| 10:40.14 | d4t2ilL4 | i dont want to download it again |
| 10:40.22 | d4t2ilL4 | is there a way to back them up? |
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| 10:40.29 | d4t2ilL4 | jsut burn the apt/cache directory? |
| 10:40.37 | d4t2ilL4 | and restore them when needed/ |
| 10:40.42 | d4t2ilL4 | ? |
| 10:40.48 | wireddd | you aren't going to need them |
| 10:40.51 | Jhair | d4t2ilL4: burn the deb? why not buy the CDs instead? |
| 10:41.17 | d4t2ilL4 | Jhair, I am using a dell sc430, the onboard, doesnt come with the cd |
| 10:41.34 | dvm1981 | d4t2ilL4: Move these file to another computer where you need to install, so these packages are no more downloaded |
| 10:41.49 | d4t2ilL4 | i mean the sarge kernel doesnt have support for the intel onboard sata control |
| 10:41.49 | Jhair | d4t2ilL4: are you running unstable or testing? in that case it doesn't make sense to burn every new deb is set in the archive... |
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| 10:42.27 | jm_ | d4t2ilL4: it does, but not for new revisions obviously |
| 10:42.46 | d4t2ilL4 | jm_, i mean not for the new revision hehe |
| 10:43.02 | jm_ | d4t2ilL4: indeed, anything new and it won't work |
| 10:43.10 | d4t2ilL4 | the kernel that supports mine is 2.6.11 |
| 10:43.15 | p00ya | doesn't apt maintain an install-size total? could you just query that for how much everything should be taking up? |
| 10:43.29 | sep | d4t2ilL4, you can run backported kernels from backports if you need support for hardware newer then sarge's release-. |
| 10:43.38 | d4t2ilL4 | jm_, i was answering why i didn't buy the cd but got the netinst |
| 10:44.03 | jm_ | d4t2ilL4: there's little point in buying CD-s if you have at least 512kbps connection |
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| 10:44.41 | d4t2ilL4 | sep, the etch supports mine just fine |
| 10:45.31 | d4t2ilL4 | jm_, true, I do have 24MB |
| 10:46.07 | jm_ | d4t2ilL4: that almost sounds too fast for Australia ;) |
| 10:46.27 | Sonny | do u know how to check yahoo & hotmail in thunderbird? |
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| 10:46.43 | wireddd | d4t2ilL4, 24mb dsl? |
| 10:47.01 | d4t2ilL4 | yeh adsl2+ |
| 10:47.10 | bh | What would cause exim not to let the smtp port connect from the outside world ? hosts.allow ? |
| 10:47.23 | jm_ | d4t2ilL4: what's you uplink speed? any caps? price? |
| 10:47.29 | jm_ | your* |
| 10:47.39 | p00ya | jm_: iinet and pacific both offer adsl2+ |
| 10:47.43 | d4t2ilL4 | not megabyte, its megabit |
| 10:47.50 | rem_ | anyone had this prob with evolution ?: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2005-November/msg00503.html |
| 10:48.00 | d4t2ilL4 | internode |
| 10:48.12 | d4t2ilL4 | no this is my 512 connection |
| 10:48.29 | d4t2ilL4 | the server is using the internode home plan, 60 dollars /month |
| 10:48.38 | d4t2ilL4 | ;) |
| 10:48.41 | d4t2ilL4 | upload 1mb |
| 10:48.46 | d4t2ilL4 | megabit |
| 10:49.03 | d4t2ilL4 | shape if exceed 20gb |
| 10:49.09 | p00ya | ah |
| 10:49.42 | d4t2ilL4 | check out whirlpool.net.au |
| 10:50.11 | d4t2ilL4 | hows iinet these days? |
| 10:50.41 | Sonny | is it possible to write in ntfs partitions? |
| 10:50.49 | p00ya | d4t2ilL4: good if you live in perth |
| 10:50.50 | Ronin | Sonny: not a good idea |
| 10:51.04 | fluxt | Sonny, yes |
| 10:51.09 | d4t2ilL4 | p00ya, whats the speed? |
| 10:51.16 | fluxt | Sonny, you can write to a file, but not change the size of it |
| 10:51.38 | Sonny | I better use a fat32 |
| 10:51.44 | Sonny | thanks |
| 10:51.48 | fluxt | it's a wonder they never finished the ntfs system.. |
| 10:52.05 | p00ya | i'm on 256/128, because i don't like/can't afford the new plans. http://ii.net/broadband/ probably says more than i could |
| 10:52.44 | p00ya | basically it's 24mb and your quota before you start getting shaped is what you pay for |
| 10:53.21 | SerajewelKS | fluxt: no it's not, when you consider that it's a proprietary and undocumented filesystem |
| 10:53.44 | SerajewelKS | fluxt: you wanna try to reverse-engineer the digest algorithm ntfs uses, be my guest |
| 10:55.15 | d4t2ilL4 | after cleaning out the apt cache i am still getting 1.2gb hehe, |
| 10:55.26 | d4t2ilL4 | i wish i could make it as small as a cd |
| 10:55.27 | d4t2ilL4 | hehe |
| 10:56.04 | p00ya | SerajewelKS: there's a proprietary module that claims to support ntfs writing. can't vouch for it, but it shows it can be done. |
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| 10:58.02 | jm_ | p00ya: I was joking ;) |
| 10:58.33 | jm_ | d4t2ilL4: apt-zip makes that possible |
| 11:00.11 | SerajewelKS | p00ya: afaik it's not proprietary, it just uses a subset of wine to link the stock ntfs.sys driver included with windows to the kernel. hackish but people claim it works nicely. |
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| 11:00.37 | SerajewelKS | p00ya: so the glue code is open-source, but of course ntfs.sys is not (and you need to already have it, since it's copyrighted) |
| 11:00.53 | p00ya | SerajewelKS: googling i can see there's something made by paragon that looks properietary |
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| 11:01.11 | SerajewelKS | !captive |
| 11:01.11 | dpkg | rumour has it, captive is The first kind of free if you squint NTFS read/write filesystem for GNU/Linux. http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/, or <abrotman> livingtm: well .. captive-ntfs is another ball of wax .. it's like wine for your filesystem .. and given how well wine works .. i avoid it like naked pictures of my mom |
| 11:01.31 | SerajewelKS | p00ya: oh, nifty |
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| 11:01.39 | jmd | Has anyone managed to get the mbox check gnome-applet from etch to do anything? |
| 11:01.48 | jmd | (other than crash I mean). |
| 11:02.03 | rem_ | Enter the password for 'NSS User Private Key and Certificate Services' |
| 11:02.06 | rem_ | this is what it asks .. |
| 11:02.16 | SerajewelKS | p00ya: why anyone would actually spend money for such a product is beyond me though |
| 11:02.19 | rem_ | when trying to import certificat in evolution |
| 11:02.43 | SerajewelKS | p00ya: if you need to spend money to mount an ntfs partition in a corporate environment, it's time to seriously reconsider your approach |
| 11:03.13 | p00ya | i agree |
| 11:03.31 | SerajewelKS | p00ya: of course i'm using "you" in the generic sense, not you specifically |
| 11:03.36 | p00ya | i wonder if paragon RE'd ntfs or just paid MS for the specs |
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| 11:03.47 | SerajewelKS | p00ya: paid, i'm sure |
| 11:04.15 | jmd | SerajewelKS: What's wrong with the normal English third person singular pronoun "one"? |
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| 11:04.46 | dannythm | hello |
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| 11:04.56 | p00ya | jmd: it makes the assertion impersonal :P |
| 11:04.57 | jmd | dannythm: Hi |
| 11:04.58 | dannythm | I have a lil' problem |
| 11:05.24 | jmd | p00ya: Wasn't that the intention? |
| 11:05.25 | konfuzed | jmd, no one here is allowed to attend english class |
| 11:05.31 | SerajewelKS | jmd: i never liked it all that much, it sounds like i'm counting |
| 11:05.33 | konfuzed | it is only for technical lamguages |
| 11:05.37 | dannythm | I just upgraded to etch and whe |
| 11:05.50 | dannythm | and it is everything fine |
| 11:06.12 | SerajewelKS | p00ya: anyway, you have to wonder why captive hasn't been packaged for debian yet |
| 11:06.14 | dannythm | but when I open any bittorrent client my CPU's temperature raises up to 20 degrees |
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| 11:06.56 | jmd | dannythm: UPTO 20 deg !! What is it beforehand? |
| 11:06.58 | dvm1981 | dannythm: CPU turn at 100%? |
| 11:07.00 | p00ya | SerajewelKS: i wonder why audacious isn't and bmp is. i guess there are no dd's interested in maintaining it. |
| 11:07.07 | konfuzed | instead of no one in particular its that null group |
| 11:07.08 | dannythm | and I got the message that the CPU is running in modulated clock mode |
| 11:07.08 | p00ya | similarly for some of the mplayer stuff |
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| 11:07.21 | dannythm | and it dosen't happened me in sarge |
| 11:07.31 | dannythm | why can it be? |
| 11:07.44 | dannythm | and how can I avoid that and download from torrent? |
| 11:07.44 | SerajewelKS | !tell p00ya about mplayer legal saga |
| 11:07.56 | p00ya | SerajewelKS: i know. |
| 11:08.19 | SerajewelKS | p00ya: probably nobody cares about ntfs write support either. i know i don't care enough to even install captive, much less debianize it. |
| 11:08.45 | dannythm | up to 20 degrees nope, it raises 20 degrees, and my comp usually works at 30-35 degrees... so it raises to 60 -65 deg |
| 11:08.57 | IceTox | dpkh tell me about xmd5 |
| 11:09.05 | Jhair | dannythm: which processor |
| 11:09.10 | SerajewelKS | IceTox: /msg the bot |
| 11:09.20 | dannythm | Jhair: p4 3.o ghz HT |
| 11:09.29 | jmd | dannythm: Are you talking deg F or deg C ? |
| 11:09.36 | IceTox | ok SerajewelKS |
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| 11:09.46 | dannythm | jmd: deg C, I'm spanish ^^Uu |
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| 11:09.59 | jmd | That |
| 11:10.08 | dannythm | just now my CPU is on 72ºC |
| 11:10.10 | jmd | is a big temperature rise! |
| 11:10.11 | SerajewelKS | speaking of filesystems, i wonder if there are any plans to port FUSE to windows |
| 11:10.13 | Jhair | dannythm: for Athlons 65°C is within normal ranges, for Pentium I don't know though |
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| 11:10.26 | Jhair | dannythm: I would say in your case is way too high |
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| 11:10.48 | DoctorX | . |
| 11:10.51 | p00ya | where did the "modulated clock mode" message come from? dmesg? |
| 11:10.55 | dannythm | Jhair: well I'd never had this problem until I upgraded to etch |
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| 11:11.17 | dannythm | p00ya: in every console open |
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| 11:12.01 | Jhair | dannythm: what happens if your computer does something intensive (like compiling the linux kernel), does the temperature raise too? |
| 11:12.49 | dannythm | Jhair: a lil, but only 2 or 3 degrees, just the normal rate, not 20 or 25 degrees |
| 11:13.17 | silensius | i would like to remove gnome and all gnome applications : is it correttc if i do apt-remove --purge gnome* |
| 11:13.19 | Cholito | apt-setup is installed with apt-get, isn't it? |
| 11:13.39 | silensius | apt-get remove --purge gnome* |
| 11:14.15 | petemc | Cholito: apt-setup has been removed now |
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| 11:14.26 | FlopsyPete | I'm trying to use uscputil -r /dev/usb/lp0 -t to check printer ink levels on Sarge. I get 'Cannot open ... No such file or directory'. I read that my kernel needs 'CONFIG_PRINTER_READBACK=n'. all I can find in config is 'CONFIG_PRINTER=m'. Do I need this config or is it set some other way? |
| 11:14.30 | p00ya | dannythm: is your torrent client doing something i/o intensive or cpu intensive? |
| 11:14.35 | Cholito | oh, that was the problem, and why is that? |
| 11:14.44 | p00ya | eg. allocating space for a 4gb torrent would be i/o intensive |
| 11:14.47 | dannythm | Jhair: in the 2 and half years I got this CPU never gave a problem with the temperature =S |
| 11:14.51 | FlopsyPete | (escputil, not uscputil) |
| 11:14.55 | Cholito | petemc, why did they remove it? |
| 11:15.11 | FlopsyPete | (-i, not -t, sorry) |
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| 11:15.14 | dannythm | p00ya: yeah, I'm trying to download a 4,38 gb iso from OS X |
| 11:15.29 | petemc | Cholito: supposedly it was only ever meant to be used during the installer, or something |
| 11:15.37 | p00ya | is it during the allocation/hash check that things get hot? |
| 11:15.40 | Jhair | dannythm: I googled a bit, and I read that processor could reach such temperatures... see this review for example: http://ostg.pricegrabber.com/rating_getprodrev.php/product_id=2058578/id_type=M/ |
| 11:15.50 | Cholito | petemc, thanks :) |
| 11:15.56 | dannythm | p00ya: but I did it all the time before! I don't understand why now it has to be a problem >< |
| 11:15.58 | p00ya | i'm not sure why there's a regression between etch and sid |
| 11:15.59 | Jhair | dannythm: they claim: "The bad news is that the core CPU temperature measured a whopping 72°C with this torture testing." |
| 11:16.05 | p00ya | that may be a red-herring |
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| 11:16.21 | p00ya | but you could try putting the nice value up |
| 11:16.21 | Jhair | dannythm: I would say is a hardware problem, maybe cooling is not working properly? |
| 11:16.24 | E-bola | IF my xinetd isnt picking up services defined in /etc/xinet.d/ what coudl be wrong? |
| 11:16.26 | BlueFish | Hi, I just installed Debian and ended up at prompt (which I wanted) but I was wondering how to install KDE or Gnome and also how to remove them if I wish to later. |
| 11:16.33 | E-bola | /var/log/daemon.log says 0 services |
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| 11:17.04 | dannythm | Jhair: I cleaned and checked it, and it's working at it's 2200 rpm's right |
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| 11:17.21 | FlopsyPete | BlueFish: 'aptitude install kde gnome' |
| 11:17.23 | dannythm | I had rpoblems with the cooling system of the powersupply, but not with the CPU's system |
| 11:17.58 | jmd | How do I turn off the fifty-percent-of-applications-crash-on-startup option in etch? |
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| 11:18.08 | Jhair | dannythm: as long as your system runs stable I think there's nothing to worry about |
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| 11:19.08 | dannythm | Jhair: hmm... yeah, they say it's a hot proccessor, but it always worked ina 30 -40 ºC range |
| 11:19.19 | dannythm | this si the first tiem I'm getting the 72º degrees |
| 11:20.01 | nkuttler | dannythm: the client could be checking the hashes. eats much more cpu than a kernel compile |
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| 11:20.37 | dannythm | Jhair: but thinking of it, if it's normal for my rpocecesor to run at that temp, how can I stop that bugging message? and the "beeping" it does every time? it's really annoying >< |
| 11:20.51 | dannythm | nkuttler: yeah, i know, but in sarge never gave me this problem |
| 11:20.52 | Jhair | dannythm: hmm beeping is not good |
| 11:21.02 | Jhair | dannythm: your board beeps when it gets too hot? |
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| 11:21.24 | dannythm | Jhair: Message from syslogd@Navi at Wed Mar 15 12:12:02 2006 ... |
| 11:21.24 | dannythm | Navi kernel: CPU0: Temperature above threshold |
| 11:21.24 | dannythm | Message from syslogd@Navi at Wed Mar 15 12:12:02 2006 ... |
| 11:21.24 | dannythm | Navi kernel: CPU0: Running in modulated clock mode |
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| 11:21.40 | dannythm | Jhair: woops! |
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| 11:22.20 | dannythm | Jhair: di you saw it or may I post it in #flood? |
| 11:22.48 | p00ya | dannythm: have you tried going back to sarge and testing that the issue doesn't arise? |
| 11:23.04 | p00ya | just to eliminate that it could be an unrelated hardware problem and not to do with the software at all |
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| 11:23.10 | wireddd | thats still pretty hot, mine never gets about 25 |
| 11:23.18 | wireddd | err above |
| 11:23.38 | dannythm | p00ya: I've been working with sarge since it was testing, and a bittorrent client never gave me a temp issue, and I downloaded 9gb files |
| 11:23.48 | nkuttler | well... my laptops operate at 50-60, and that's not the max |
| 11:24.04 | Jhair | dannythm: that looks just wrong... Another possibilty is that the temperature is not really rising, but that your kernel is reading wrong values... |
| 11:24.04 | p00ya | dannythm: but have you switched *back* |
| 11:24.16 | Jhair | dannythm: but I doubt it... |
| 11:24.21 | p00ya | ie done an experiment with the current status of your hardware |
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| 11:24.42 | dannythm | Jhair: nope I checked it with the BIOS sensor |
| 11:24.43 | Cholito | the poeple from debian are making some changes in the repositories? |
| 11:24.59 | azeem | Cholito: yes |
| 11:25.00 | Cholito | I have some errors when trying to install some packages |
| 11:25.04 | dannythm | p00ya: nope, well... I can test it on antoher HD.... |
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| 11:25.15 | azeem | Cholito: post them to a pastebin |
| 11:25.16 | azeem | !paster |
| 11:25.16 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 11:25.39 | Cholito | even better ;) ==> http://cholito.wordpress.com/2006/03/15/weird-2/ |
| 11:25.55 | jmd | Geez! Is there any package in etch that *does* work? |
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| 11:26.09 | Fox | jmd: rm ? :) |
| 11:26.14 | Cholito | lol |
| 11:26.21 | jm_ | jmd: I bet cowsay and sl work |
| 11:26.27 | azeem | Cholito: what version of Debian are you running? |
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| 11:26.38 | Cholito | etch |
| 11:26.55 | dannythm | p00ya: but I don't think it's a hardware issue, 'cause OSx just run all right...and it's not a "pc" system... |
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| 11:28.27 | dannythm | p00ya: the temp never raises this much, but I'll test with sarge again to check it... |
| 11:28.31 | Jhair | dannythm: in that case, maybe you can try another kernel |
| 11:28.32 | azeem | Cholito: libqt3c102-mt is obolete, AFAICT |
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| 11:28.44 | Jhair | dannythm: try with a vanilla kernel and see if the problem remains |
| 11:28.53 | Cholito | azeem, what? |
| 11:29.05 | azeem | Cholito: it's just libqt3-mt |
| 11:29.12 | dannythm | Jhair: hmm... I got now the 2.6.15... wich kernel do you recomend for my processor? |
| 11:29.15 | azeem | Cholito: and I am not sure kaffeine is in testing? |
| 11:29.25 | azeem | Cholito: it is not |
| 11:29.36 | dannythm | Jhair: vanilla? |
| 11:29.38 | Jhair | dannythm: didn't know you already at the latest stock kernel... |
| 11:29.41 | azeem | Cholito: so you will have to wait till kaffeine is fixed and migrates to testing again |
| 11:30.03 | Cholito | after apt-cache search kaffeine: kaffeine - versatile media player for KDE 3 |
| 11:30.06 | azeem | Cholito: trying to install the obsolete c102 Qt package results in KDE getting removed, as it uses the newer one |
| 11:30.07 | Jhair | dannythm: yes vanilla or standard kernel |
| 11:30.14 | dannythm | Jhair: I can go back to 2.6.12..... |
| 11:30.16 | Cholito | aha |
| 11:30.17 | azeem | Cholito: do you have other sources than testing in sources.list? |
| 11:30.36 | Cholito | the problem is that I wanted to install Skype as well, and gave me the same error |
| 11:30.37 | Jhair | dannythm: I mean a kernel from kernel.org not a debian packaged kernel |
| 11:30.54 | azeem | Cholito: skype is known to be broken with respect to that |
| 11:30.57 | Cholito | azeem, only the marillat |
| 11:30.57 | dannythm | Jhair:ah! ok |
| 11:31.22 | Cholito | azeem, wow, so it was just coincidence that those 2 packages had errors then? |
| 11:31.26 | Cholito | :/ |
| 11:31.28 | azeem | I guess |
| 11:31.38 | azeem | we can't fix skype, it's binary-only |
| 11:31.46 | azeem | dunno what's wrong with kaffeine |
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| 11:32.27 | Cholito | maybe they have to fix the dependencies for that package and put the new one (libqt3-mt) |
| 11:32.50 | azeem | yes, but they don't care a lot about Linux and/or Debian AFAIK |
| 11:33.34 | dannythm | Jhair: hmm.... I dunno wich kernel can suit better... |
| 11:34.06 | dannythm | anyway I'm going to update maybe there's a fixed issue |
| 11:34.20 | FlopsyPete | I'm trying to use escputil -r /dev/usb/lp0 -i to check printer ink on Sarge, 2.6 kernel. I get 'Cannot open ... No such file or directory'. I have 'CONFIG_PARPORT_1284=y'. Any suggestions on what else to check? |
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| 11:35.57 | Cholito | azeem, sorry, what's afaik? |
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| 11:36.40 | azeem | !afaik |
| 11:36.40 | dpkg | it has been said that afaik is some kind of acronym...but nobody knows what it means, As Far As I Know. ask me about 'imnkatf'. |
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| 11:36.47 | azeem | ugh |
| 11:36.52 | azeem | "as far as I know" |
| 11:37.07 | jmd | Why have they turned of keboard repeating in X sessions for etch? |
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| 11:37.30 | javiolo | how do I change the channel windows in irssi instead of using /window |
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| 11:38.07 | jmd | and how do I install tetex in etch ? |
| 11:38.10 | dannythm | Jhair: I'm thinking... maybe it's my azureus version... I'll check downliading something smaller.... |
| 11:38.59 | wireddd | azureus frequently maxes out your cpu |
| 11:39.24 | dannythm | wireddd: wich client you recomend, then? |
| 11:39.28 | _mad_penguin | dannyrthm: try using ktorrent |
| 11:39.45 | p00ya | or you could just renice |
| 11:39.52 | wireddd | I use torrentflux, but I have a dedicated fileserver that I run it on |
| 11:40.35 | knvinh | I am writing C in emacs, when I finish a line by 'Enter', the new line doesn't automatically add new tab, I have to type 'Tab' all the time, any idea? |
| 11:41.04 | p00ya | knvinh: first of all, #emacs |
| 11:41.13 | p00ya | second of all, does the modeline say c-mode? |
| 11:41.19 | p00ya | well more likely "C" |
| 11:41.30 | knvinh | p00ya: yes, it says c-mode |
| 11:42.08 | p00ya | i think it's electric-newline or something like that |
| 11:42.22 | knvinh | p00ya: where is that option/ |
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| 11:42.41 | p00ya | actually try C-c C-l |
| 11:42.48 | jmd | How do I undo the effects of apt-get update; apt-get upgrade ? |
| 11:43.05 | jmd | That is to say, make the OS work again? |
| 11:43.17 | nkuttler | jmd: what packages did you upgrade? |
| 11:43.40 | jmd | nkuttler: Lots. Whatever apt decided. |
| 11:43.43 | p00ya | jmd: if you'd used aptitude, you could check the log then pin stuff |
| 11:43.57 | nkuttler | jmd: what did you do? |
| 11:43.57 | p00ya | actually you might be able to just pin "*" to a dist |
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| 11:44.41 | jmd | Actually, I think it was "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 11:45.03 | nkuttler | jmd: did you change your sources.list or what? what debian version were/are you running? |
| 11:45.35 | jmd | No. I didn't change sources.list I was running etch. Now I'm also running etch. |
| 11:45.35 | p00ya | Package: *\nPin: release a=stable\nPin-Priority: 1001 |
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| 11:45.51 | mynullvoid | can I have thda=$(date +'%d') + 1 ? |
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| 11:45.57 | mynullvoid | so that I can get 16? |
| 11:46.23 | jmd | p00ya: I think I did try aptitude, but got too frightened when it wanted to remove apt. |
| 11:46.39 | jm_ | you need to tell your shell to perform arithemtic expansion on that for it to work |
| 11:46.46 | nkuttler | jmd: you are running testing. testing is broken sometimes. fix the bugs. |
| 11:47.40 | jmd | nkuttler: "broken" is an understatement. It's more like I'd expect from sid. |
| 11:48.03 | nkuttler | jmd: do we have to guess what the problem is? |
| 11:48.12 | p00ya | jmd: i've broken a server before upgrading libc. i had sash and that's about all. |
| 11:48.31 | p00ya | insert some punctuation between "before" and "upgrading" |
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| 11:49.30 | jmd | p00ya: I could understand if a bug crept into libc, then almost nothing would work. But when 50% of apps just crash on startup.... |
| 11:49.51 | jmd | nkuttler: No. You don't have to guess. See my previous questions on this channel. |
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| 11:54.01 | knvinh | p00ya: C-c C-l seems to do nothing |
| 11:54.11 | comsa | :~} |
| 11:54.23 | p00ya | does it not put a /l in the modeline after the C? |
| 11:55.34 | knvinh | p00ya: nothing happened |
| 11:56.59 | p00ya | M-x c-toggle-electric-state |
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| 11:57.51 | p00ya | can you C-h v c-buffer-is-cc-mode RET |
| 11:58.02 | p00ya | it should be non-nil |
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| 11:59.07 | setog3 | !ETCH |
| 11:59.07 | dpkg | it has been said that etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ . Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from our web site, http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer. |
| 11:59.36 | pingouin | !sarge |
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| 12:01.22 | zOOz | hello. i have linux 2.6.15 as a router, one computer (inside lan) tries to connect to VPN server (outside lan, in the internet), but my router do not pass through this connection. i tried to use one iptables rule for SNAT'ing. what else could i try to do? |
| 12:02.17 | mornfall | zOOz: make sure the ports are not filtered? |
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| 12:02.47 | zOOz | mornfall: as i've already said, i use only one rule |
| 12:02.53 | jmd | zOOz: You could try asking on #iptables |
| 12:03.22 | mornfall | zOOz: you didn't say that, only that you tried using one iptables rule, which doesn't say anything about other rules |
| 12:03.22 | jm_ | the fact you have one rule doesn't automatically make it OK |
| 12:03.29 | DocTomoe | Anyone able to help me with a courier problem here? #courier relatively dead. Question is: "How can I get a better debug output for courier-authmysql, e.g. one with a reason why it won't gibe me access" |
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| 12:03.52 | tijn | OT: how do i play an flv flash in a browser? |
| 12:04.20 | mornfall | flv what? |
| 12:04.26 | tijn | its flash |
| 12:04.30 | jm_ | mplayer plays that for me, so mplayer plugin odd to work |
| 12:04.32 | tijn | but not swf |
| 12:04.36 | setog3 | etch is going out the 23/04/2006 ? |
| 12:04.36 | jm_ | ought even |
| 12:04.51 | tijn | i mean the code on the webpage |
| 12:04.59 | jmd | How come aptitude gets different dependencies from apt? I thought they were both just frontends to dpkg. |
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| 12:05.33 | asg | jmd: aptitude automatically installed Recommends: apt-get doesn't |
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| 12:06.06 | jmd | asg: Ahh. Is there any way I can change that? |
| 12:06.12 | jm_ | yes |
| 12:06.27 | wireddd | setog3, what? |
| 12:07.14 | jmd | Frankly then I think a lot of Recommends dependencies ought to be downgraded to Suggests. |
| 12:07.52 | asg | jmd: or just use apt-get |
| 12:07.56 | p00ya | i think some Depends should be downgraded to Recommends. for example, git depends on rcs |
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| 12:08.27 | asg | !depends git |
| 12:08.31 | dpkg | git: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libncurses5 (>= 5.4-1), libreadline5 |
| 12:08.34 | p00ya | hmm |
| 12:08.41 | p00ya | one of the git packages |
| 12:08.59 | jmd | p00ya: So does aegis. |
| 12:09.02 | p00ya | git-core |
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| 12:12.06 | jmd | Anyway, I thought everything in etch was at least supposed to be installable? |
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| 12:13.25 | azeem | jmd: what package? |
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| 12:13.41 | jmd | azeem: tetex-bin |
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| 12:14.06 | azeem | and what is the error? |
| 12:14.55 | Acid`X | what's the command for .xinitrc to start xfce? |
| 12:15.18 | jmd | azeem: fmtutil: running `mf -ini -jobname=mf -progname=mf -translate-file=cp227.tcx m |
| 12:15.19 | azeem | Acid`X: xfce4 has documentation in /usr/share/doc/xfce4 on how to do that AFAIK |
| 12:15.20 | jmd | f.ini' ... |
| 12:15.20 | jmd | ! mf.pool doesn't match; tangle me again (or fix the path). |
| 12:15.20 | jmd | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:15.21 | asg | Acid`X: try startxfce or use dpkg -L to find the binary |
| 12:15.31 | azeem | jmd: euh |
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| 12:16.04 | jm_ | Use startxfce4 to start an XFce session from xfce docs |
| 12:16.08 | Acid`X | ty |
| 12:16.21 | azeem | jmd: did you file a bug? |
| 12:16.35 | dannythm | Jhair: hmmm... It seem's it's a disk issue... If I put the torrent to download in my primary disk there's no prob, but if I put it in the second one, then the temp raises |
| 12:17.00 | jmd | azeem: No. I need a web browser to do that and none of them work in etch. |
| 12:17.19 | Jhair | dannythm: hmm nice you track it down... is the disk getting too hot? |
| 12:17.44 | azeem | jmd: eh |
| 12:17.59 | azeem | jmd: are you sure this is etch and not something mixed then? |
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| 12:18.13 | azeem | I can't believe all web browsers are borked |
| 12:18.20 | azeem | and anyway, you don't need one to file bugs |
| 12:18.30 | jmd | azeem: Isn't apt/aptitude supposed to stop that happening? |
| 12:18.39 | azeem | stop what? |
| 12:18.49 | jmd | mixed distros |
| 12:18.52 | azeem | no |
| 12:19.12 | azeem | it is certainly possible (and sometimes useful) |
| 12:19.25 | azeem | but one should't do it unless one knows exactly what's going on |
| 12:19.35 | jmd | Oh. So how do I make sure that all my installed packages are self consistent? |
| 12:20.04 | azeem | you just have 'etch' in sources.list |
| 12:20.41 | jmd | I've got: deb-src http://ftp.wa.au.debian.org/debian testing main contrib |
| 12:20.43 | jmd | deb http://ftp.wa.au.debian.org/debian testing main |
| 12:21.01 | azeem | jmd: so how are you browsers not working? |
| 12:21.17 | jmd | They crash on startup. |
| 12:21.36 | azeem | any error messages when you start them from a terminal? |
| 12:21.51 | jmd | Just "segmentation fault". |
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| 12:22.42 | azeem | jmd: which one are you using? |
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| 12:22.56 | jmd | mozilla |
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| 12:23.20 | azeem | does apt-get install mozilla-browser say anything other it is the latest version? |
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| 12:23.58 | jmd | can't tell you right now. I'm apt-getting something else. |
| 12:24.09 | MrRexxie | mysql seems to be preinstalled on my debian box, but I cant apt-get remove it (I'm trying to update it from 4.x to 5.0), am I missing something here? |
| 12:24.10 | useruser | jmd: try apt-cache policy |
| 12:24.25 | azeem | MrRexxie: why can't you remove it? |
| 12:24.34 | azeem | and why don't you just install 5.0? |
| 12:24.49 | jmd | useruser: What am I looking for? |
| 12:25.01 | MrRexxie | I tried, but it created a bit of a mess here.. I'm not sure which mysqld is 4.x and which is 5.x, heh :x |
| 12:25.06 | useruser | jmd: the meaning of life? i dunno |
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| 12:25.28 | jmd | apt-cache policy mozilla-browser |
| 12:25.31 | jmd | suggests that mozilla is up to date. |
| 12:25.34 | jmd | useruser: lol |
| 12:25.42 | azeem | useruser: why do you tell people to do somethin if you can't tell them what's it good for? |
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| 12:25.59 | azeem | jmd: what version of libc6 do you have installed? |
| 12:26.04 | useruser | azeem: maybe something is fundamentally wrong with me |
| 12:26.30 | useruser | azeem: i blame society |
| 12:27.03 | azeem | useruser: whatever |
| 12:27.03 | jmd | azeem: GNU C Library stable release version 2.3.5, |
| 12:27.12 | azeem | jmd: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 12:28.05 | jmd | libc6 2.3.5-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone d |
| 12:28.09 | azeem | ok |
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| 12:29.11 | jmd | Aha. Aptitude has managed to install a working tetex-bin when apt-get couldn't |
| 12:30.17 | dannythm | Jhair: nope, not the disk, I think it's a bus probem, as the system is installed ina new SATA disk with 8 mb of cache, and the data disk is an ols Ultra Ide 2mb of cache, |
| 12:30.46 | dannythm | Jhair: I think that can be the issue... now I'm nodifying the partitions so I won't have the problem again ^^ |
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| 12:31.28 | useruser | jmd: did you apt-get update lately? |
| 12:31.49 | jmd | About 20 minutes ago |
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| 12:32.37 | jmd | Does apt-get update do the same thing as aptitude update ? |
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| 12:33.01 | useruser | i believe so |
| 12:33.05 | Irrumator | Yes, it does |
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| 12:33.20 | buster- | yeah entre |
| 12:33.24 | Droppy | hola weon |
| 12:33.28 | Droppy | XD |
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| 12:33.31 | buster- | pelotudo !! |
| 12:33.33 | Droppy | DIGANLE A MAS PERSONAS |
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| 12:33.39 | Droppy | EL PRFE DEJO |
| 12:33.45 | zarganco | ola |
| 12:33.47 | Droppy | pero discreto |
| 12:33.51 | buster- | o,O |
| 12:33.52 | Droppy | pudrete |
| 12:33.58 | Droppy | sebastian |
| 12:34.17 | zarganco | tu mama |
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| 12:34.24 | Droppy | ? |
| 12:34.25 | zarganco | tu hermana |
| 12:34.25 | chalo | ola ketal estar todos? |
| 12:34.26 | blafArd | Hi, rpcinfo -p localhost works but rpcinfo -p 192.168.1.1 does not. is this to be expected? |
| 12:34.30 | zarganco | ola |
| 12:34.31 | Droppy | ? |
| 12:34.32 | nkuttler | Droppy: can you troll somewhere else? |
| 12:34.41 | Droppy | no |
| 12:34.46 | Droppy | ola |
| 12:34.52 | chalo | ola droppy |
| 12:34.53 | buster- | nos van exar yo caxo |
| 12:34.56 | buster- | ^ |
| 12:34.59 | buster- | ^^ |
| 12:35.00 | Droppy | ola |
| 12:35.10 | chalo | ketal esatar todos? |
| 12:35.10 | Fox | blablabla |
| 12:35.12 | blafArd | (when I say does not work, I mean i get RPC remote system error - connection refused) |
| 12:35.14 | buster- | drupy muerete |
| 12:35.15 | zarganco | droopy is a espudid girl xD |
| 12:35.25 | buster- | yes true |
| 12:35.28 | zarganco | ahi va |
| 12:35.30 | zarganco | http://www.icarito.cl/infografia/ciencia/fisica3-03/circuitos.htm |
| 12:35.35 | chalo | xD |
| 12:35.41 | Droppy | callanse |
| 12:35.46 | Droppy | weones |
| 12:35.48 | useruser | !ops |
| 12:35.48 | dpkg | Please invoke '!ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
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| 12:36.02 | Droppy | fuck buster |
| 12:36.04 | useruser | !ops people need kicking |
| 12:36.04 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: people need kicking |
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| 12:36.24 | Ronin | useruser: little vague :) |
| 12:36.26 | zarganco | drupy chut up!!!! |
| 12:36.28 | Droppy | callate |
| 12:36.30 | Droppy | vo |
| 12:36.32 | Droppy | weon |
| 12:36.32 | buster- | callense weones |
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| 12:36.34 | buster- | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:36.34 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
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| 12:37.05 | dvm1981 | Salut buster .... |
| 12:37.08 | dvm1981 | :-) |
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| 12:37.43 | dvm1981 | What going the last days? People are not happy it's looks :-( |
| 12:37.54 | Ronin | dvm1981: new moon |
| 12:38.06 | dvm1981 | Ronin: An bad one :-( |
| 12:38.26 | dvm1981 | apt-get install new_moon?? |
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| 12:38.34 | dvm1981 | or |
| 12:38.35 | bbrazil | dvm1981: bsdgames, 'pom' |
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| 12:38.45 | dvm1981 | dpkg-reconfigure bad_guys? |
| 12:38.53 | Thanatermesis | why xfree86-driver-synaptics don't change their name if i can posible to install it in xorg ? |
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| 12:39.29 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 12:39.29 | dpkg | somebody said popcon was the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 12:39.40 | dvm1981 | Thanatermesis: It's for the both |
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| 12:39.58 | d4t2ilL4 | what is the java runtime in linux called? |
| 12:40.01 | Thanatermesis | dvm1981 yes, but we don't have more xfree on debian (etch or sid) |
| 12:40.17 | asg | d4t2ilL4: /msg dpkg java-package |
| 12:40.25 | dvm1981 | Thanatermesis: I still running Xfree :-/ Running Stable here :-) |
| 12:40.29 | spoopin | asg: frown |
| 12:40.41 | asg | spoopin: :( |
| 12:40.51 | spoopin | asg: riding the couch, eh? |
| 12:41.10 | asg | spoopin: yeah, catching up on some stuff. Looking at the calendar, it was the only reasonable day I could afford to be ill. |
| 12:41.25 | jmd | I'm going to bed, and hoping that something works tomorrow. |
| 12:41.35 | spoopin | asg: quite. Enjoy it.... |
| 12:41.38 | dvm1981 | Thanatermesis: But i understand you ;-) |
| 12:41.48 | asg | spoopin: yeah |
| 12:42.15 | dvm1981 | Thanatermesis: But not forget that the most server are Stable! |
| 12:42.16 | Thanatermesis | if works on xorg not is a problem for me... but i just speak about it |
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| 12:42.49 | dvm1981 | Thanatermesis: I know, i had also the same problem, the first time i see that :-) |
| 12:42.58 | Thanatermesis | dvm1981 but this module not is really a thing for servers ;) |
| 12:43.01 | fireba11 | am just curious .. where should i place a shell script that is intended to be run cia cron the debian way (tm) ? |
| 12:43.48 | useruser | fireba11: /etc/cron.* i think |
| 12:44.01 | dvm1981 | Thanatermesis: Right!, but the Debian philosohy, is to provide the most Stable one. So Stable are Stable :-/ |
| 12:44.19 | d4t2ilL4 | asg, I did apt-get install java-package, but tehre's no java under /usr |
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| 12:44.25 | Thanatermesis | yes |
| 12:44.28 | dvm1981 | Thanatermesis: There im going OT ... |
| 12:44.29 | fireba11 | useruser: not the cron entry .. the script it invokes .. just want to know where it would be expected to be located :-) |
| 12:44.51 | d4t2ilL4 | asp, nvm i've got it hehe |
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| 12:45.22 | citral | dvm1981: download j2re-something.bin from e.g. sun, and run java-package j2re-something.bin |
| 12:45.38 | dvm1981 | Thanatermesis: I want you talk you about, stable where it's unstable, look to other distro :-/ |
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| 12:45.49 | useruser | fireba11: right, ls -d /etc/cron.* |
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| 12:45.58 | citral | dvm1981: sorry that was for d4t2ilL4 |
| 12:46.09 | dvm1981 | citral: No probs :-) |
| 12:46.18 | fireba11 | useruser: i'm using cron.d so i can't put script there ;-) |
| 12:46.33 | Thanatermesis | dvm1981 what ? |
| 12:47.35 | dvm1981 | Thanatermesis: Other distos name his as an stable one, when shes use an 'testing' or 'unstable' one. An when it break, users are there lefted in an bad situation |
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| 12:48.12 | dvm1981 | Thanatermesis: So default, Debian use Stable, and really Stable! |
| 12:48.29 | dannythm | hurm... anyone knows how to change the res of the tty01, tty02, etc... consoles? |
| 12:48.48 | p00ya | dannythm: it's a kernel parameter |
| 12:48.51 | Thanatermesis | yes dvm1981, i know :) |
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| 12:48.58 | Thanatermesis | stable is very stable, this is true |
| 12:49.08 | dannythm | p00ya: so reconfigurng the kernel? |
| 12:49.13 | d4t2ilL4 | citral, I've got it, Sorry for being too quick at asking :) |
| 12:49.18 | dvm1981 | Thanatermesis: When you know a bit more, then you swicht to an 'Testing' one, when you know many about it go to 'unstable'. But the most users(or really many) us 'Stable' |
| 12:49.22 | p00ya | depends if you've compiled the appropriate video driver in |
| 12:49.23 | Thanatermesis | but the problem of stable for (another things to not is a server), is to stable everytime are a little "old", "out of date" |
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| 12:49.49 | Kathmandude_ | how do i know if my distro is based on Debian stable, etch or unstable?? |
| 12:49.49 | Thanatermesis | and this is also a little problem for the servers, for example tomcat not is instalable on stable, then, no java server, for example for use with a XSM |
| 12:49.50 | dannythm | p00ya: it upgraded teh kernel automatically when I upgraded my dist, so Iduuno... |
| 12:49.52 | p00ya | dannythm: for me it's just vga=XXX on the boot line |
| 12:49.57 | d4t2ilL4 | citral, My friend told me there's a package out there called *-matrix which it acts liek apt, and grab all the w32 codec ..etc... |
| 12:50.00 | Shadur | By then, generally testing starts becoming acceptable for production servers. |
| 12:50.03 | p00ya | consult the kernel docs |
| 12:50.04 | useruser | dannythm: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Framebuffer-HOWTO-5.html sec 5.3 |
| 12:50.06 | d4t2ilL4 | it runs on gnome, have you heard of it |
| 12:50.19 | dannythm | p00ya: thanks |
| 12:50.30 | useruser | d4t2ilL4: no, but /msg dpkg marillat |
| 12:50.34 | p00ya | linux/Documentation/fb/fbcon.txt etc |
| 12:50.57 | citral | d4t2ilL4: no, never heard of that |
| 12:51.38 | dannythm | useruser: thanks |
| 12:51.48 | dannythm | p00ya: where do you change it? |
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| 12:52.14 | dannythm | p00ya: in the menu.lst of grub? |
| 12:53.00 | dvm1981 | Thanatermesis: There are also 'backports', search on google (have not see the msg, scroll again) |
| 12:53.24 | Kathmandude_ | dvm, are there any backports for enlightenment 17? |
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| 12:53.55 | streuner | no |
| 12:54.00 | Thanatermesis | yes dvm1981, i know about backports... im just think'in about the "end-user", stable is good for servers, but not really for end-users, "desktop computers" |
| 12:54.03 | dvm1981 | Kathmandude_: Look on the site of it :-), ok i look on it, because i not know |
| 12:54.07 | streuner | there were neve any e17 debs (official) |
| 12:54.17 | streuner | s/neve/never/ |
| 12:54.27 | Kathmandude_ | i see... |
| 12:54.33 | streuner | !listvals e17 |
| 12:54.38 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'e17' by value (5): efm ;; 2.2.13pre17 ;; e17cvs ;; reporting bugs ;; e17. |
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| 12:54.44 | dvm1981 | Thanatermesis: Yes, the most users, want the lastest one of software, or need it for x or y reason, like hardware or so :-/ |
| 12:54.49 | streuner | !e17cvs |
| 12:54.50 | dpkg | e17cvs is probably If you are feeling like you want to blame yourself for something, download http://gnea.net/debian_e17_install2cvs.sh and run it as root to install a bleeding-edge version (not debs, actual cvs source) of E17. May break, use at your own risk. You have been warned. Please read the script before using to email bugfixes. |
| 12:54.55 | Thanatermesis | streuner search "soulmachine" repository on google |
| 12:55.12 | streuner | Thanatermesis: tell that Kathmandude_ ... |
| 12:55.18 | Thanatermesis | oh |
| 12:55.26 | streuner | iam fine with fluxbox |
| 12:56.03 | Kathmandude_ | okay. i'll try that!! |
| 12:56.16 | dvm1981 | Kathmandude_: Aparently not :-( |
| 12:56.33 | dannythm | p00ya: I wroted vga=1280x1024x24 in a console and nothing happened, no changes and no mensages... I presume I have to reoot to see the changes... |
| 12:56.55 | Thanatermesis | dvm1981 this is the "little problem" of im are speaking... and i think to the solution for this is with more colaboration with debian.. for example if the ppl send more bug reports (good bug reports, of course), the developement and the releases are more fast |
| 12:57.11 | Kathmandude_ | i didn't say i'd succeed!! i'll just try :) |
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| 12:57.57 | dvm1981 | Thanatermesis: Yes, that's true ;-) ppl needs to work more :-) |
| 12:58.01 | citral | dannythm: uh, no it must be a boot parameter, and has a number as argument, like vga=834 will do 1400x1050x16 |
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| 12:58.49 | dvm1981 | Thanatermesis: I wanted to add, also send patchs, that the importants one i think, correct the ting |
| 12:58.49 | Thanatermesis | dvm1981 ppl leech :) |
| 12:59.29 | citral | dannythm: you must put it in /boot/grub/menu.lst, run update-grub and reboot |
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| 13:01.48 | Kathmandude_ | has anyone used mkbootcd? |
| 13:02.57 | dvm1981 | Thanatermesis: But, it's the dificult one also, to try to find of focalise the problem. Most people having troubles, not want to know more, or look more about the subject. And that's bad, ppl need to are motivated an go investigate his researches and not leave the problem. Because by the most ppl when there leave to many troubles, these switch and then think Debian are bad. Fault! |
| 13:02.57 | jm_ | Kathmandude_: why? |
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| 13:03.37 | citral | dannythm: your magic number is vga=795 for 1280x1024 at 24 bits |
| 13:03.41 | Kathmandude_ | i wanted to know if 5gb of free space is enough. apparantly, i couldn't configure it properly and it ran out of disk space. |
| 13:03.43 | Thanatermesis | dvm1981 most ppl just "sucks", likes to all the system works perfectly and then are happy... don't worry about report a bug or any thing... "don't have time for this" |
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| 13:04.00 | dannythm | citral: oh.... many thanks ^^ |
| 13:04.32 | Thanatermesis | dvm1981 and specially the "new users", before the "linux community" is diferent... very thanks and greated ppl... now... "I NEED HELP !!! NOW !!" (and if you don't give help, then you sucks) |
| 13:04.51 | LSorensen | Kathmandude_: what are you making? |
| 13:05.12 | Thanatermesis | (i speak just in general of the "new style of users") |
| 13:05.15 | dvm1981 | Thanatermesis: Bad peoples! bad bad bad, while there are really good things :-) |
| 13:05.28 | Kathmandude_ | i'm trying to make a live cd out of my existing debian system. |
| 13:05.53 | LSorensen | Kathmandude_: And how much space is in use on your existing system? |
| 13:05.54 | dooglus | is there any way to run a 2nd firefox process? my existing one is busy at the moment. |
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| 13:06.11 | useruser | dooglus: firefox -ProfileManager |
| 13:06.16 | LSorensen | dooglus: probably I imagine. I think it requires creating another profile |
| 13:06.18 | dvm1981 | Thanatermesis: New users comming from M$!!! |
| 13:06.20 | Kathmandude_ | it's using around 4gb, when i clean up the cache |
| 13:06.44 | dooglus | LSorensen: that's fine. I can make another profile. useruser: thanksthanks. |
| 13:06.50 | LSorensen | Kathmandude_: Hmm. Not sure. Never used it. If it makes a copy, modifies it and then makes the image, it would need at least 8G of course |
| 13:07.07 | Thanatermesis | dvm1981 more hard is to use linux and better are the users :) |
| 13:07.19 | asg | Kathmandude_: debian-administration.org has a howto that may also shed some light on things. |
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| 13:07.24 | LSorensen | Thanatermesis: and the fewer the users |
| 13:07.38 | belmonte | hi |
| 13:07.39 | Kathmandude_ | i see. i'll try cleaning up some windows partitions. |
| 13:08.00 | dvm1981 | Thanatermesis: There are many users, ... click and suck :-/ Thinking to the M$ f* world |
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| 13:08.19 | Kathmandude_ | and one more help, LSorensen.... |
| 13:08.28 | citral | dvm1981: HI!!! linux is cool fuck Bill !!!/!!// How to partition ???? HELP !!! |
| 13:08.36 | LSorensen | dvm1981: at least in the dos up to windows 3.x days, users had a slight clue how their filesystem was organized |
| 13:09.24 | Kathmandude_ | how can i move my /home to a different partition? right now, it is mounted inside / |
| 13:09.28 | jm_ | Kathmandude_: so you're not using bootcd? |
| 13:09.39 | citral | Kathmandude_: edit /etc/fstab |
| 13:09.44 | fireba11 | Kathmandude_: move data there, mount it |
| 13:09.54 | belmonte | the only thing i love of microsoft... is the game reversi, it was on win 1.0 american edition |
| 13:09.59 | belmonte | :D |
| 13:09.59 | attila | LSorensen, were they organized? |
| 13:10.01 | Kathmandude_ | okay!! thanks!! |
| 13:10.02 | fireba11 | true, and remember to update fstab |
| 13:10.10 | dvm1981 | And saying that people found me stupid while i runnig DOS and WFW while there was al 95SE. I understand now, why shes whas thinking that i was stupid. I was using M$! |
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| 13:10.20 | Kathmandude_ | isn't there a graphical interface for editing fstab? |
| 13:10.28 | LSorensen | Kathmandude_: if you have another partition, as root with no users logged in do: mv /home /home.old, mount /newdrive /home, mv /home.old/* /home |
| 13:10.30 | citral | the only thing I like with MS is flashfxp. all *nix ftp clients suck |
| 13:10.34 | fireba11 | dvm1981: you're way off topic .. |
| 13:10.41 | belmonte | i have a little question, i do not use to make question, but i cannot found a solution :( |
| 13:10.43 | LSorensen | Kathmandude_: and of course creat eand fstab entry to mount newdrive as /home at boot. |
| 13:10.45 | asg | citral: you still use ftp? |
| 13:10.48 | belmonte | Kathmandude_, yes there is VIM |
| 13:10.52 | dvm1981 | fireba11: yep :-/ |
| 13:10.56 | Kathmandude_ | thanks, LSorensen!! :) |
| 13:11.00 | citral | asg: in my lan yes |
| 13:11.11 | LSorensen | Kathmandude_: or do: mv /home /some/other/drive, ln -s /some/other/drive/home /home |
| 13:11.27 | attila | ee/nano > vim |
| 13:11.29 | Thanatermesis | dvm1981 i think seriously to linux is in a big danger with this users |
| 13:11.46 | fireba11 | Thanatermesis: "this users" ? |
| 13:11.58 | belmonte | attila, come to the vim side, you'll be happy |
| 13:12.07 | Thanatermesis | because linux are created from the colaboration and the ppl to like to create it, happy, for offer it to another person.. for all ppl is happy using it... |
| 13:12.11 | attila | ed > nano/ee |
| 13:12.13 | dvm1981 | Thanatermesis: There are enought people that know that he use good stuff. Using GNU/Linux :-) |
| 13:12.48 | Thanatermesis | now with this "greateful users"... who likes to work now ? how likes to continue developing for obtain a "fuck, this bug, this program sucks" |
| 13:13.04 | attila | because... you can use ed on dos and *nix |
| 13:13.12 | Thanatermesis | without apreciate all the big work made on a thing for free |
| 13:13.38 | LSorensen | attila: and if you are sensible you will install vim on both instead |
| 13:13.38 | belmonte | when i press ctrl+alt+function from gnome it doesn't go trough console, but it does from gdm |
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| 13:13.48 | LSorensen | belmonte: left control+let alt+function? |
| 13:14.09 | fireba11 | dvm1981: btw your grammar sucks :-) |
| 13:14.18 | attila | hahaha |
| 13:14.24 | belmonte | LSorensen, i do, but i doesnt go trough but it does from gdm, i can't nderstand that |
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| 13:14.38 | LSorensen | belmonte: never had it not work in gnome myself. |
| 13:14.39 | dvm1981 | fireba11: I try to manage 3 languages :-/ that's sucks, yes :-/ |
| 13:14.54 | LSorensen | belmonte: not sure how it could mess that up sindce the X server is supposed to grab that. |
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| 13:15.12 | attila | is anybody still using gnome/kde? |
| 13:15.12 | belmonte | i'm spanish, so if my english is not very good. I'm sorry |
| 13:15.13 | LSorensen | belmonte: although applications can grab the keyboard raw and intercept everything (like vmware does) |
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| 13:16.56 | Kathmandude_ | i'm using gnome+enlightenment. is that a good combination? |
| 13:17.08 | attila | who knows? |
| 13:17.23 | attila | +gome is unwise I think |
| 13:17.28 | attila | or kde |
| 13:17.39 | citral | !start a wm war |
| 13:17.39 | dpkg | fvwm95 blows! |
| 13:17.46 | attila | because fat+slim = fat |
| 13:18.01 | citral | hehe |
| 13:18.02 | attila | twm +1 |
| 13:18.02 | Kathmandude_ | attils, what do u use? fluxbox? |
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| 13:18.38 | lpszRoey | JE SUIS NEPOLEON!!! |
| 13:18.38 | attila | I have 3 classes wms |
| 13:18.44 | jm_ | belmonte: you can disable vtswitch in X, at least in XFree86 |
| 13:19.11 | Kathmandude_ | what does +1 mean? |
| 13:19.12 | dvm1981 | lpszRoey: Et moi je suis Romeo :-/ |
| 13:19.29 | dvm1981 | lpszRoey: There are an #debian-fr |
| 13:19.33 | belmonte | i'll try |
| 13:19.33 | lpszRoey | nice to meet you Romeo! |
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| 13:19.40 | lpszRoey | dvm1981: I don't know French though :( |
| 13:20.05 | attila | 1) twm/fvwm 2)*box,iceman,enlightenment,*step 3)xfce |
| 13:20.06 | kimo | Hi, can anyone tell me why corporations want Citrix over VNC?? (my first time to hear about Citrix) |
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| 13:20.44 | attila | gnome/kde -> recyclebin |
| 13:20.47 | asg | kimo: VNC is slow and less featured |
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| 13:21.03 | kimo | asg: what are missing features |
| 13:21.17 | dvm1981 | tightvnc?? |
| 13:21.25 | Kathmandude_ | i can't get twm in my login screen :'(, neither enlightenment. |
| 13:21.25 | asg | kimo: redirected audio, disks, etc. Compare VNC with RDP |
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| 13:22.46 | kimo | asg: disks? so citrix gives u access to win shares as well? |
| 13:22.59 | jm_ | kimo: it can |
| 13:23.00 | brosioz | anyone have a ralink wireless card ? i can't change mac address of my card ifconfig ra0 hw ether xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx not works! anyone could help ? |
| 13:23.20 | kimo | jm_: guess NoMachine does that too |
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| 13:23.24 | jm_ | kimo: yeah |
| 13:23.35 | kimo | jm_: & sound & print sharing |
| 13:23.36 | attila | oh |
| 13:24.00 | kimo | jm_: so it would prolly be ok to propose NX over citrix, or am I missing something ..? |
| 13:24.25 | jm_ | kimo: well they're both commercial solutions, and Citrix was available long before NX |
| 13:24.52 | Kathmandude_ | what file need i modify to be able to get twm in my login menu? GDM |
| 13:25.06 | jm_ | Kathmandude_: create a new session |
| 13:25.16 | kimo | jm_: hmm, and do u know if citrix has any problems displaying chinese characters over a session! |
| 13:25.30 | attila | ... |
| 13:25.49 | jm_ | kimo: no idea, we only used the very first citrix release based on NT 3.51 |
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| 13:25.57 | kimo | jm_: thnx |
| 13:26.04 | Kathmandude_ | how do i create a new sexxion? .xinitrc? |
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| 13:26.05 | attila | who cares? |
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| 13:26.32 | dvm1981 | kimo: Normally it's send as pictures not?? |
| 13:26.46 | jm_ | Kathmandude_: no, gdm will honour ~/.xsession if you use the Debian session |
| 13:26.56 | sebkron | hi, I have a problem. I've got one SATA disc and another connected via USB. While compiling kernel (2.6.15.6) it turned out that sd_mod has to be compiled into kernel to avoid kernel panic at booting. However, having it in kernel makes impossible to mount the USB disc... Any ideas? |
| 13:27.01 | Chris | hi - I got a aterm here which doesn't read from .Xdefault, unfortunately. There's some command to fix this..starts with x... ~/.Xdefault .. can anyone tell me, please? |
| 13:27.03 | belmonte | which is the comand to register a nick in this server? |
| 13:27.16 | sep | !register |
| 13:27.17 | dpkg | i guess register is '/msg nickserv help' |
| 13:27.20 | belmonte | thx |
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| 13:28.16 | jm_ | chriswk: Debian uses Xresources, not Xdefaults |
| 13:28.17 | attila | register = spam mails or phishing attacks? |
| 13:29.05 | dannythm | citral: where in the menu.lst i have to put the vga=795? |
| 13:29.12 | attila | hehe |
| 13:29.27 | Chris | jm_, you're right. typo. Do you know the command, btw? |
| 13:29.28 | jm_ | Chris: Debian uses Xresources, not Xdefaults |
| 13:29.43 | asg | dannythm: at the end of the 'kernel ' line |
| 13:29.44 | jm_ | Chris: sure, xrdb |
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| 13:30.17 | brosioz | anyone have a ralink wireless card ? i can't change mac address of my card ifconfig ra0 hw ether xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx not works! anyone could help ? |
| 13:30.19 | ma3x | how do I disable FSCHK on every 30th boot? |
| 13:30.21 | Chris | that's it. thank you. I read the man file, but I didnt understand what it does exactly. |
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| 13:30.36 | attila | O.o |
| 13:30.38 | jm_ | ma3x: man tune2fs |
| 13:30.38 | asg | ma3x: man tune2fs |
| 13:30.50 | ma3x | yeah but then I don't know what to do, I tried -c and -i 0 |
| 13:30.53 | ma3x | but it checks it again! |
| 13:31.31 | jm_ | WFM |
| 13:31.39 | dannythm | asg: kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-1-686 root=/dev/hda3 ro |
| 13:31.47 | dannythm | asg: there? |
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| 13:32.02 | asg | dannythm: yes, just append vga=795 after the 'ro ' |
| 13:32.03 | dvm1981 | dannythm: kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-k7 root=/dev/hda6 ro noapic nolapic <HERE> |
| 13:32.22 | dvm1981 | dannythm: As an example :-/ |
| 13:32.39 | dannythm | dvm1981: thanks! |
| 13:32.42 | asg | dannythm: i.e. 'kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-1-686 root=/dev/hda3 ro vga=795' |
| 13:32.44 | attila | sometimes, vga=xxx is not enough |
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| 13:33.00 | gplcrash | vga=normal ¿? |
| 13:33.08 | ma3x | tune2fs -i 100d /dev/hda3 |
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| 13:33.13 | ma3x | that will check it every 100 days, right? |
| 13:33.41 | attila | especially, a special driver + tv card something |
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| 13:34.19 | dannythm | asg: thanks |
| 13:34.22 | dannythm | dvm1981: thanks |
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| 13:35.06 | cr3 | when I login through ssh, xauth tries to create the file ~/.Xauthority. how can I change that to another path? I tried to set XAUTHORITY in the environment (.xsession and .ssh/environment) but none of them apply before xauth is called. |
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| 13:35.25 | dvm1981 | To quick go one ... I wanted to say him to thats the other guys here, I have do nothings :-/ The others do it here :-) Thanks to people here :-) |
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| 13:35.27 | jm_ | cr3: why do you want to use another file? |
| 13:36.20 | cr3 | jm_: because the home is read-only |
| 13:36.29 | dvm1981 | !beer to everyone |
| 13:36.35 | dvm1981 | hhhmmm |
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| 13:36.45 | jm_ | cr3: you can specify path to xauth in ssh config, and then write a shell script to act as a wrapper |
| 13:37.04 | cr3 | jm_: sounds good, I'll try that. thanks. |
| 13:37.07 | SerajewelKS | cr3: home should *not* be read only |
| 13:37.42 | nk_ | hi there. I accidently deleted my /etc/X11/XF86Config-4. if I now try to use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and finish it, I do not get a new one :/ |
| 13:37.51 | nk_ | how may I get dpkg to write it? |
| 13:37.54 | SerajewelKS | !tell nk_ about xmd5 |
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| 13:38.12 | SerajewelKS | nk_: in your case you want to remove the .md5sum file |
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| 13:38.33 | nk_ | SerajewelKS: oh i see. and where is it located? |
| 13:38.39 | SerajewelKS | nk_: dpkg told you |
| 13:38.39 | nk_ | oh i see, thx |
| 13:38.40 | cr3 | SerajewelKS: why not? |
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| 13:39.13 | xoz | cr3: how do you work or save files if your home is ro? |
| 13:39.37 | mrverbose | is there a gnash package for debian somewhere? |
| 13:39.37 | SerajewelKS | cr3: programs write rc files to $HOME. i turn the question around to you. why not be read-write? |
| 13:39.46 | mrverbose | gnash is a gpl-flashplayer |
| 13:40.00 | SerajewelKS | mrverbose: google will tell you |
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| 13:40.17 | mrverbose | SerajewelKS: there is only a bug report on debian-mailinglist |
| 13:40.23 | cr3 | xoz: I have a tmp directory for files that should be cleaned periodically and topical directories for the other files I save. I have found that saving files in my home leads to clutter, but that is not my motivation for setting it ro. |
| 13:40.23 | mrverbose | which means there has to be one |
| 13:40.42 | nk_ | no success SerajewelKS. the file stays empty :( |
| 13:40.46 | SerajewelKS | mrverbose: link to the mailing list? |
| 13:40.58 | pzn | Hi! I need to run an openoffice macro in a computer without X11. is there any way to simulate a X server, so openoffice does not complain? is there any "fake"-X11 package for debian? any hints? |
| 13:41.10 | SerajewelKS | nk_: hrm, try this: touch /etc/X11/XF86Config-4; md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum |
| 13:41.10 | cr3 | SerajewelKS: because programs have been doing writing more than just rc files but logs and files that generally grow beyond my control. it is because of this abuse that I am trying a ro home. |
| 13:41.35 | xoz | cr3: care to tell us your motivation for home to ro? |
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| 13:41.35 | cr3 | xoz: read answer to SerajewelKS |
| 13:41.35 | mrverbose | SerajewelKS: http://lists.debian.org/debian-wnpp/2006/01/msg00192.html |
| 13:41.35 | SerajewelKS | cr3: use better/different programs |
| 13:42.05 | liable | cr3: what programs have been logging in /home?? |
| 13:42.05 | SerajewelKS | mrverbose: hrm, looks like lists.d.o is down |
| 13:42.21 | cr3 | SerajewelKS: I try many programs and there comes a point where you don't know which program has written what. Now, when I try a new program, I know how it abuses my home and I can choose it accordingly. |
| 13:42.26 | SerajewelKS | mrverbose: that bug is against the wnpp package |
| 13:42.31 | nk_ | SerajewelKS: success. thx a lot |
| 13:42.36 | SerajewelKS | nk_: np |
| 13:42.36 | xoz | cr3: that is not beyond your control |
| 13:42.38 | mrverbose | SerajewelKS: ah ok |
| 13:42.47 | cr3 | liable: openoffice |
| 13:42.54 | SerajewelKS | mrverbose: it's an ITP - Intent To Package - meaning someone is working on packaging it as of the date on that report |
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| 13:43.06 | liable | and? programs is plural. |
| 13:43.26 | mrverbose | SerajewelKS: didn't know that |
| 13:43.31 | xoz | cr3: you can use some progs for monitoring the changes in your home dir and delete them. making home ro is more inconvenient than solving your other worry. |
| 13:43.34 | cr3 | xoz: you are often right which is why I then configure the program properly to log in ~/log/. for example |
| 13:43.34 | _joey_ | is there an application similar to that of gnu screen that will work with gui applications ? |
| 13:43.49 | _joey_ | so i can log off and log in again getting access to the applications |
| 13:43.55 | _joey_ | running applications |
| 13:43.57 | Myon | _joey_: vnc |
| 13:43.58 | SerajewelKS | cr3: so set ~/.openoffice or ~/.openoffice.org2 to read-only after changing the settings the way you want |
| 13:44.14 | SerajewelKS | cr3: chmod -R a-w ~/.openoffice ~/.openoffice.org2 |
| 13:44.21 | _joey_ | Myon vnc server on linux server and client on desktop ? |
| 13:44.21 | SerajewelKS | cr3: don't murder every other program you're going to run too |
| 13:44.23 | cr3 | SerajewelKS: if only openoffice limited its activity to ~/.openoffice :) |
| 13:44.39 | liable | there was someone else asking a similar thing today, almost makes me think its a homework assignment. :P |
| 13:44.43 | SerajewelKS | cr3: you could always use koffice |
| 13:44.43 | Myon | _joey_: all |
| 13:44.50 | cr3 | I think it also maintained ~/.recently-used and somesuch |
| 13:45.12 | _joey_ | Myon sorry ? |
| 13:45.12 | cr3 | SerajewelKS: I will continue to use openoffice but at least I know what it's doing. |
| 13:45.26 | SerajewelKS | cr3: except no, ~/.recently-used is a general recently-used file used by both KDE and Gnome, i think |
| 13:45.38 | Myon | _joey_: -v please |
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| 13:46.15 | cr3 | SerajewelKS: oh, I only noticed files opened by openoffice probably because I didn't use other tools sharing that file. |
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| 13:48.10 | SerajewelKS | cr3: strace oowriter 2>&1 >/dev/null | grep '^open.*'"$HOME" |
| 13:48.26 | SerajewelKS | cr3: or something like that |
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| 13:48.43 | Myon | there's strace -e open and -e file |
| 13:48.52 | useruser | and strace -f |
| 13:49.46 | SerajewelKS | so strace -fe open oowriter 2>&1 >/dev/null | grep "$HOME" |
| 13:50.40 | SerajewelKS | cr3: running that i don't see any activity outside of ~/.openoffice.org2 except for .fonts .gtkrc-2.0 etc, things used by libraries used by OO |
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| 13:51.12 | cr3 | SerajewelKS: yeah, I use strace often to debug things like that. however, I don't know if I should do it after the fact, when the program has already written to ~, or before the fact, when the program refuses to run because ~ is ro. |
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| 13:51.36 | cr3 | SerajewelKS: what about .recently_used? |
| 13:51.39 | knoppers | i get the following error on boot, when my computer was down a longer time ==== hda: dma_intr: error ... end_request i/o error dev hda |
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| 13:51.56 | SerajewelKS | cr3: it opens that r/w |
| 13:52.04 | jm_ | knoppers: you need error and status codes, that's pretty useless |
| 13:52.06 | SerajewelKS | cr3: but others do too, e.g. gpdf, gqview |
| 13:52.13 | SerajewelKS | cr3: something tells me it's a gnome thing |
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| 13:52.35 | cr3 | SerajewelKS: I wonder why they didn't put it in ~/.gnome or ~/.gnome2 |
| 13:52.47 | knoppers | jm_ do you mean something like : error = 0x40? |
| 13:52.51 | SerajewelKS | cr3: theoretically KDE could use it too |
| 13:52.52 | jm_ | knoppers: yes |
| 13:53.11 | knoppers | ok, that was my errorcode. |
| 13:53.15 | SerajewelKS | cr3: it's very general and applicable to multiple environments |
| 13:53.38 | jm_ | knoppers: Uncorrectable ECC error |
| 13:53.51 | knoppers | yes |
| 13:54.08 | jm_ | so you know what it means but you're still asking? |
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| 13:54.45 | xoz | how to disable logging of ~/.xsession-errors? |
| 13:54.46 | jharrisonwk | can you have a default route for the system or for each nic in the system? |
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| 13:55.53 | jm_ | xoz: default Xsession will always create one for you |
| 13:56.11 | liable | jharrisonwk: you can have a route for each nic if you want, man route/interfaces |
| 13:56.16 | xoz | jm_: i always notice it eats MB of memory |
| 13:56.27 | jm_ | xoz: you mean disk space? |
| 13:56.29 | xoz | s/memory/space |
| 13:56.36 | xoz | :) |
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| 13:58.07 | SerajewelKS | cr3: if space concerns you, run this periodically: du -Sx $HOME | sort -n | tail -30 |
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| 13:58.25 | asg | cr3: you could always quota /home |
| 13:58.26 | cr3 | SerajewelKS: I find myself using the shell history but not the recently used, so I tried removing .recently_used. programs using the file still work fine and I still benefit from recently used files in my shell history. my usage pattern might not be the same as someone else. |
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| 13:58.45 | xoz | jm_: would this work? ln -s /dev/null ~/.xsession-errors |
| 13:58.51 | cr3 | asg: it is already subject to a quota because ~ is actually a mounted partition |
| 13:59.02 | SerajewelKS | cr3: ln -s /dev/null ~/.recently_used |
| 13:59.12 | SerajewelKS | !beer xoz |
| 13:59.25 | quiet | does anyone know the key code to get into compaq proliant server bios?? i keep trying everything i can think of, and it's not going.. (del, esc, f1-f12) |
| 13:59.25 | xoz | SerajewelKS: heh. good follow-up |
| 13:59.36 | petemc | quiet: you may need a boot cd |
| 13:59.39 | liable | i have oo and no .recentlyUsed |
| 13:59.40 | SerajewelKS | xoz: i actually did think it up myself, honest! |
| 13:59.44 | cr3 | SerajewelKS: perhaps, but why do I need that symlink lying around? |
| 14:00.14 | xoz | SerajewelKS: i believe you :) |
| 14:00.19 | SerajewelKS | cr3: pick the <256-byte symlink or the >512k file |
| 14:00.42 | SerajewelKS | cr3: 41k on my system but who's counting. if you're *that* concerned about space, make the symlink. |
| 14:00.59 | cr3 | SerajewelKS: the point is not only space but clutter as well. a program that doesn't find a file that is not critical should simply warn and not crap out. |
| 14:01.02 | dvm1981 | quiet: Need you not an floppy disk to access it? I guess |
| 14:01.16 | quiet | dvm1981no, i don't believe so. |
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| 14:01.26 | SerajewelKS | cr3: the file is not critical, but programs will assume if it does not exist that it simply has not been created yet. |
| 14:01.36 | liable | quiet: google doesnt tell you? |
| 14:01.37 | dvm1981 | quiet: Get a bit more info about it on the website of it |
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| 14:01.58 | SerajewelKS | cr3: and of course there will be clutter in the dot-files, that's why they're... hidden *gasp* |
| 14:02.06 | quiet | liable, not that i can find.. i'm looking through results as i'm asking here. |
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| 14:02.40 | berzerka | argh! i try to manually set the mac-address using 'ifconfig eth0 hw ether ...', and the system simply powers off! w t f ? anyone an idea how that can happen? |
| 14:02.55 | asg | berzerka: a really badly written driver |
| 14:03.07 | cr3 | SerajewelKS: when I clean, I also clean under the bed :) |
| 14:03.10 | SerajewelKS | berzerka: or really badly designed hardware |
| 14:03.34 | SerajewelKS | cr3: a symlink is as clean as you're going to get with that particular file |
| 14:04.35 | dvm1981 | quiet: Wich model exactly? |
| 14:04.44 | dvm1981 | hoela |
| 14:04.49 | quiet | 1600... dual Pentium III @ 500mhz |
| 14:04.52 | berzerka | well.. Broadcom BCM4401-B0 100Base-TX. its in my laptop. driver from the 2.6.12.2 kernel. thing is, some days ago i actually 'did' set the mac-address, so it is basically possible with this card/driver. |
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| 14:05.21 | faber2 | hi everybody |
| 14:05.23 | berzerka | /var/log/messages doesnt say anything. where else could i look? |
| 14:05.31 | faber2 | is there a textmode tool for sensors in debian? |
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| 14:05.51 | quiet | got it |
| 14:05.53 | quiet | f10 |
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| 14:06.10 | SerajewelKS | cr3: or you can 'ln /dev/null ~/.recently_used' if you want to make a hard link (slightly less space is used by a hard link) |
| 14:06.11 | dvm1981 | quiet: Voila ;-) |
| 14:06.14 | kimo | does 'failover' clusters, require a 'director' machine like load balancing clusters ? |
| 14:06.18 | xoz | faber2: conky? |
| 14:06.44 | jm_ | xoz: it creates a temp file for it if it's a symlink |
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| 14:07.00 | Kathmandude_ | how do i create a new login session? |
| 14:07.05 | Enthusiast78 | Hi! I have just upgraded samba to version 3.0.14a-3sarge and now some files appear with "scrambled" characters on the Windows clients. Specially file names with special characters. Any clue about what can I do to avoid this behavior? |
| 14:07.06 | xoz | jm_: hardlink is better then? |
| 14:07.15 | fatal_ | kimo: there's many ways to design clusters... and you can build both types that you mentioned without "director" server... |
| 14:07.28 | jm_ | xoz: you can try that yes |
| 14:07.29 | faber2 | Xoz: apt says its X based |
| 14:07.34 | SerajewelKS | jm_: temp file? |
| 14:07.39 | dvm1981 | quiet: A was thinking that you had tried from F1-12 |
| 14:07.43 | xoz | faber2: ah, it uses xroot |
| 14:07.59 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: yuh |
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| 14:08.11 | kimo | fatal_: for load balancing, which machine would direct packets to server A or B ?? |
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| 14:08.36 | quiet | dvm1981 i thought i had ;) |
| 14:08.38 | faber2 | can i check the temperatur in my machine using cat and the /proc interface ? |
| 14:08.40 | quiet | mayeb i just not at the right time. |
| 14:08.44 | SerajewelKS | jm_: programs in general or just X? |
| 14:08.45 | Kathmandude_ | how do i create a new seeion to get twm in my login menu? |
| 14:09.06 | xoz | jm_: not possible with hardlink: Invalid cross-device link |
| 14:09.25 | fatal_ | kimo: the machines in a load balancing cluster can have an address that they all use and then negotiate which connections they pick up..... (like the NLB feature in Windows 2003 works...) |
| 14:09.30 | dvm1981 | faber2: Yes, /proc/acpi... |
| 14:09.37 | valdyn | Enthusiast78: what's scrambled? only non-ascii characters? |
| 14:10.11 | berzerka | aah! powered off again during bootup! what the FUCK?? is my laptop hardware dying? |
| 14:10.14 | Enthusiast78 | valdyn, Yup, some "weird" characters... Yeah, let's say 180n characters look weird. |
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| 14:10.25 | xoz | berzerka: boot single user mode. |
| 14:10.28 | Enthusiast78 | valdyn, Sorry, I mean i18n characters. |
| 14:10.31 | berzerka | xoz: k |
| 14:10.35 | Enthusiast78 | valdyn, Non-English characters... |
| 14:11.03 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: Xsession script |
| 14:11.08 | SerajewelKS | jm_: ah |
| 14:11.16 | valdyn | Enthusiast78: do those files look ok on the server? |
| 14:11.16 | jm_ | xoz: is /tmp a separate fs? |
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| 14:11.26 | sphenxes | I have activated firewall "Guarddog". Where can I check that my firewall is working, warnings, ..etc. |
| 14:11.34 | xoz | jm_: tmpfs |
| 14:11.44 | jm_ | xoz: ohh yeah then hardlink won't work |
| 14:11.50 | berzerka | xoz: grr now he wants to check / ... will take 10 minutes or so... |
| 14:12.02 | valdyn | Enthusiast78: and/or did you change the locale on the server at the same time ? |
| 14:12.07 | lamp_ | has anyone else problems with gstreamer 0.8 an gstreamer 0.10 in testing i have serious problems with esd and gstreamer |
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| 14:12.31 | Enthusiast78 | valdyn, No, they also look screwed on Linux. But they used to look 'ok' on the Windows clients before upgrading samba. |
| 14:12.57 | Enthusiast78 | valdyn, I'm not sure if 'aptitude dist-upgrade' could have done that. But no, manually I didn't. |
| 14:13.10 | valdyn | Enthusiast78: try downgrading samba and see how it looks then, however i doubt it has anything to do with the samba upgrade... |
| 14:13.32 | valdyn | Enthusiast78: no, such a thing should never happen inside debian/stable |
| 14:13.40 | Enthusiast78 | valdyn, I understand... I was thinking of a now-deprecated smb.conf parameter or something like that... |
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| 14:14.05 | Enthusiast78 | valdyn, Hmmm... How do I downgrade samba? I don't even remember which version was installed before... :/ |
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| 14:14.36 | valdyn | Enthusiast78: http://www.debian.org/debian/pool ( and click your way thru ) |
| 14:14.43 | valdyn | Enthusiast78: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool ( and click your way thru ) |
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| 14:14.52 | valdyn | Enthusiast78: pick 2nd link |
| 14:15.20 | valdyn | Enthusiast78: it might also be in /var/cache/apt/archives/ on your server |
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| 14:15.39 | limpak | siemka |
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| 14:15.47 | limpak | cio porabiacie ?? |
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| 14:15.58 | valdyn | Enthusiast78: normally samba has nothing at all to do with how characters are encoded anyway |
| 14:16.12 | cahoot | Enthusiast78: no /var/log/dpkg.log to look at? |
| 14:16.23 | tarzeau | abrotman: i've got a new game! |
| 14:16.24 | valdyn | cahoot: not on sarge |
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| 14:17.09 | Enthusiast78 | cahoot, # grep samba /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 14:17.10 | Enthusiast78 | grep: /var/log/dpkg.log: No such file or directory :( |
| 14:17.27 | cheal | tarzeau: is your new game in testing? |
| 14:17.45 | Enthusiast78 | valdyn, I remember some parameters in the early days of samba that would deal with how characters are treatened, but that was a loooong time ago... |
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| 14:18.04 | limpak | lost terminal |
| 14:18.52 | tarzeau | cheal: no, two are packaged, and one needs be packaged (just tested it, it's nice) |
| 14:18.58 | Keloran|Work | how can i fix this ?? http://pastebin.com/603433 (apt-get -f install, doesnt fix it) |
| 14:19.22 | Enthusiast78 | cahoot, So I guess there's no way to discover which samba version I had before? |
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| 14:19.28 | valdyn | Keloran|Work: wrong channel, try #ubuntu |
| 14:19.43 | valdyn | Enthusiast78: it doesnt really matter, all you need is an older sarge version |
| 14:19.49 | Keloran|Work | valdyn, what is the correct channel ? |
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| 14:20.05 | valdyn | Keloran|Work: #ubuntu |
| 14:20.11 | Enthusiast78 | valdyn, What about the oldest version? :) That's what I'm gonna try, right now... |
| 14:20.16 | Fox | valdyn: he's removing an ubuntu package to install a deb package :) |
| 14:20.28 | cheal | tarzeau: so your new game is to screw us with Gentoo-like installations? |
| 14:20.32 | Fox | Keloran|Work: is it debian or ubuntu ? |
| 14:20.35 | fireba11 | fox that HAS to break something i guess :-() |
| 14:20.48 | Fox | sure, if it's ubuntu :) |
| 14:21.05 | Keloran|Work | Fox, im gona guess ubuntu, what ever Kanotix is, thats what it is |
| 14:21.13 | Fox | arghl |
| 14:21.15 | fireba11 | ouch |
| 14:21.24 | valdyn | Keloran|Work: #kanotix have a support channel too i guess |
| 14:21.42 | valdyn | Keloran|Work: mixing ubuntu+kanotix+debian causes cancer i heared |
| 14:21.50 | Keloran|Work | lol |
| 14:21.55 | asg | valdyn: s/cancer/bird flu/ |
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| 14:22.12 | Keloran|Work | well lets put it this way, all the stuff in apt-get is debian.net, so i have no idea what it is |
| 14:22.40 | valdyn | Keloran|Work: irrelevant where kanotix gets packages from, its not debian. |
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| 14:24.31 | tarzeau | cheal: like they don't have all these games? |
| 14:24.54 | Enthusiast78 | valdyn, So all I need is to download the version I want from http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/samba/ and install it with dpkg? |
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| 14:26.57 | yggdrasil | good morning |
| 14:27.15 | dvm1981 | yggdrasil: Good afternoon :-) |
| 14:27.28 | sorpigal | yggdrasil: good day |
| 14:27.46 | yggdrasil | can somone help me i just mounted an ext3 drive but i have no permissions set on it, ie i can only access it as root.. im wondering what properly should be in my fstab |
| 14:27.54 | yggdrasil | wow a good responce this "day" |
| 14:28.32 | abrotman | hi |
| 14:28.36 | abrotman | tarzeau: you do? |
| 14:28.49 | SerajewelKS | yggdrasil: change 'user' to 'nouser' |
| 14:28.53 | tarzeau | abrotman: i do. what? |
| 14:29.02 | abrotman | tarzeau: have a new game :) |
| 14:29.08 | yggdrasil | nouser ? |
| 14:29.08 | tarzeau | abrotman: yap! another... |
| 14:29.15 | abrotman | yap is a game? |
| 14:29.18 | SerajewelKS | yggdrasil: paste the line in fstab |
| 14:29.28 | yggdrasil | ok im trying something just bonke up |
| 14:29.31 | yggdrasil | brb o k |
| 14:29.33 | tarzeau | abrotman: no, that's not the name of the game |
| 14:30.05 | asg | abrotman: it's called apple bobbing with goatse |
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| 14:30.23 | abrotman | heh .. wrong! |
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| 14:30.30 | Posh | hey guys, can anyone clear something up for me, isnt gnome 2.14.0 stable due today? |
| 14:30.49 | asg | abrotman: whack-a-troll? |
| 14:30.57 | abrotman | asg: i wish i could |
| 14:31.03 | abrotman | Posh: wrong channel? |
| 14:31.15 | abrotman | Posh: wouldn't you want to ask on irc.gnome.org ? |
| 14:31.23 | darkness_ | How do you open ports on a linux server? |
| 14:31.35 | SerajewelKS | darkness_: you run servers on them |
| 14:31.40 | abrotman | services |
| 14:31.40 | asg | darkness_: /msg dpkg open ports |
| 14:31.47 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: servers |
| 14:31.51 | sorpigal | darkness_: tell something to listen on them. And make sure your firewall isn't blocking them. |
| 14:31.52 | abrotman | services |
| 14:31.56 | dvm1981 | darkness_: Sesame ouvre toi :-) |
| 14:31.59 | SerajewelKS | !beat abrotman |
| 14:32.07 | asg | Posh: planet.gnome.org should have the skinny |
| 14:32.15 | Posh | thanks |
| 14:32.19 | darkness_ | Sesame ouvre toi? |
| 14:32.40 | dvm1981 | darkness_: Sesame open you |
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| 14:32.53 | dvm1981 | darkness_: It's an french joke ;-) |
| 14:32.55 | darkness_ | Just that i changed sshd to listen on port 2232 and opened port 2232 at the router yet no dice. |
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| 14:33.15 | yggdrasil | ok back /dev/hdc1 /mnt/hdc1 ext3 rw, 0 0 |
| 14:33.18 | SerajewelKS | darkness_: check 'netstat -tnlp' and make sure it's listening |
| 14:33.24 | abrotman | tarzeau: and why didn't you upload briquolo ?> |
| 14:33.26 | darkness_ | dvm19891, No good on an Englishman :-) |
| 14:33.26 | SerajewelKS | yggdrasil: what's that extra , doing there |
| 14:33.37 | abrotman | !duck blondie |
| 14:33.38 | tarzeau | abrotman: dd2... it needs another update.. but hey brutalchess is ready too |
| 14:33.43 | blondie | o.o |
| 14:33.51 | yggdrasil | oh i had removed uid=1000 and gid=1000 didnt work |
| 14:33.51 | SerajewelKS | yggdrasil: change 'rw,' to 'defaults' then umount and mount |
| 14:33.55 | abrotman | tarzeau: dd2? Destruction Derby!?!?!?!?!?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 14:34.09 | tarzeau | abrotman: no, dodgin' diamond 2 |
| 14:34.17 | asg | hehe |
| 14:34.26 | asg | SerajewelKS: you should give it to him full force |
| 14:34.33 | tarzeau | heh |
| 14:34.40 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: Destruction Derby was a really cool game .. and a linux port would cement my status as a bachelor :) |
| 14:34.51 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: O_o |
| 14:34.54 | yggdrasil | serajewelks |
| 14:34.56 | yggdrasil | mkdir: cannot create directory `Recordings': Permission denied |
| 14:35.04 | asg | abrotman: yeah, that was a good one. Going further back, Racing Destruction Set (c64 was also teh rox) |
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| 14:35.28 | dvm1981 | yggdrasil: Like you have write on that partition. Some dirs are no only for root? |
| 14:35.32 | SerajewelKS | yggdrasil: ls -ld /mnt/hdc1 |
| 14:35.35 | abrotman | asg: but there is a port of that IIRC |
| 14:35.38 | dvm1981 | s/no/now |
| 14:35.50 | asg | abrotman: I've run it in an emulator but I didn't know there was a native port. |
| 14:36.04 | yggdrasil | drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 2006-03-14 22:37 /mnt/hdc1 |
| 14:36.07 | yggdrasil | rootey |
| 14:36.15 | yggdrasil | chown ? |
| 14:36.19 | darkness_ | Just out of curiosity as sid has been in limbo for ages and debian is now looking for a new project leader. Am i seeing too much into this :-) |
| 14:36.24 | SerajewelKS | yggdrasil: or chmod |
| 14:36.30 | abrotman | asg: thought thwere was .. can't find it |
| 14:36.31 | asg | darkness_: ? sid in limbo |
| 14:36.33 | SerajewelKS | yggdrasil: there's nothing wrong with the mount, just the permissions |
| 14:36.38 | yggdrasil | yea ok |
| 14:36.38 | yggdrasil | um |
| 14:36.46 | yggdrasil | chmod 765 ? |
| 14:36.48 | jm_ | asg: is rsd the one with topview where you can design your own tracks and place houses/trees/rivers on the map and where car can catch fire and then the driver rolls on the floor? |
| 14:37.05 | asg | jm_: no, but I remember that one too :) |
| 14:37.06 | yggdrasil | -R |
| 14:37.14 | SerajewelKS | yggdrasil: *shrug* i don't know what you want to accomplish. if you know how to set permissions and ownership you should be able to do it by yourself. |
| 14:37.36 | yggdrasil | well yea just a drive to write stuff on haha... nothing fancy |
| 14:37.48 | asg | jm_: RDS had an isometric view but you could create your own tracks. |
| 14:37.49 | abrotman | !tell darkness_ about releases |
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| 14:38.05 | SerajewelKS | yggdrasil: 777 should be fine if you don't care about security |
| 14:38.18 | mrverbose | !tell mrverbose about releases |
| 14:38.35 | asg | jm_: http://www.intellivision.ca/Reviews/rds.html |
| 14:38.57 | jm_ | asg: thanks, now I remember it |
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| 14:39.31 | darkness_ | Tks abrotman. Didn't think etch was a Toy Story character :-) |
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| 14:40.00 | yggdrasil | serajewlks |
| 14:40.02 | yggdrasil | thank you |
| 14:40.55 | abrotman | darkness_: it's the freaking etch-a-sketch .. what country are oyu from? |
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| 14:42.24 | darkness_ | I've been setting up sshd. I've set remote login No, changed listening port and now i need to control what limited access to programs i want users to have. Whats the best way of this? I don't see chmoding as a solution? |
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| 14:42.36 | darkness_ | abrotman, i'm from the uk. |
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| 14:42.47 | abrotman | darkness_: they don't have etch-a-sketch in .uk ? |
| 14:42.54 | asg | abrotman: they do |
| 14:43.05 | abrotman | so why is he confused? |
| 14:43.06 | darkness_ | abrotman, not that i've seen. |
| 14:43.16 | asg | abrotman: he's probably a youngen |
| 14:43.16 | abrotman | darkness_: how old are you?> |
| 14:43.25 | yggdrasil | how can i clean up my apt pkg cache im running out of space ..? |
| 14:43.29 | darkness_ | abrotman, 13 |
| 14:43.30 | asg | yggdrasil: apt-get clean |
| 14:43.35 | yggdrasil | thanks |
| 14:43.38 | abrotman | darkness_: are you sure? |
| 14:43.45 | GoAuLd | please someone tell me how to configure thedamn udev + hal + pmount or whatever is |
| 14:43.59 | jez | kids nowadays haven't heard of etch-a-sketch? |
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| 14:44.13 | abrotman | jez: not enough flashing lights i guess |
| 14:44.14 | Ronin | jez: are you kidding? lucky they know what the outside is |
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| 14:44.53 | jez | this makes me feel old yet i'm not even 20. almost still a kid myself |
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| 14:45.30 | yggdrasil | asg pkgcache and srccache are still kind of big |
| 14:45.32 | Idle0ne | where can i find the sarge net install disk? all i can find is testing |
| 14:45.36 | yggdrasil | anything to do about that ? |
| 14:45.54 | abrotman | !d-i Idle0ne |
| 14:45.54 | dpkg | Idle0ne, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 14:46.02 | Ronin | 20? you young pup you jez :) |
| 14:46.18 | Idle0ne | hmm i was told sarge supported amd64 |
| 14:46.20 | Idle0ne | does it not? |
| 14:46.23 | yggdrasil | ok im out thanks |
| 14:46.33 | abrotman | Idle0ne: oh .. |
| 14:46.37 | abrotman | !tell Idle0ne about amd64 |
| 14:46.47 | Idle0ne | i tried testing but it didnt work well so someone said to get sarge |
| 14:47.04 | darkness_ | Ronin, that the name of a samarai warrior? |
| 14:47.39 | abrotman | Ronin: you ah samuri?! |
| 14:47.54 | Ronin | darkness_: masterless samuari |
| 14:48.00 | darkness_ | hehe. |
| 14:48.02 | darkness_ | :-) |
| 14:48.52 | junix|work | why does firefox open a whole bunch of defunct processes in unstable? |
| 14:49.01 | darkness_ | I need to secure this sshd as i have a log full of brute force hacking attempts. |
| 14:49.01 | abrotman | Ronin: work with dell do you?! |
| 14:49.18 | asg | abrotman: or Extreme |
| 14:49.30 | Ronin | abrotman: more windows garbage but dell too, but then again its all pensionable time |
| 14:49.34 | SerajewelKS | darkness_: disable sshd root login and make sure all passwords on your system are complicated enough to not be in the dictionary |
| 14:50.03 | darkness_ | Is it possible to write a script so that after every bad login attempt their ip address goes into host.deny? |
| 14:50.31 | asg | darkness_: yes, tons have been written. Check freshmeat.net |
| 14:50.44 | darkness_ | Cheers asg. |
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| 14:51.14 | abrotman | darkness_: or use iptables .. i'd be careful though .. you could end up locking yourself out |
| 14:51.51 | darkness_ | abrotman, i've been using iptables so far blocking all ip address's in the log files. |
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| 14:53.13 | petemc | darkness_: a friend of mine wrote this: http://www.yerma.org/~pete/temp/ssh-watch.sh.txt |
| 14:54.03 | darkness_ | Cool, tks. |
| 14:54.16 | petemc | darkness_: you need a cron job to run that |
| 14:54.45 | zOap | I was offered a job as a dns administrator in a sizable company, but then I was told I had to work in winblows.. so... |
| 14:55.14 | Ronin | so what do you do now zOap |
| 14:55.24 | michael117 | are ntfs partitions iso8859-1 or utf8? |
| 14:55.49 | fireba11 | zOap ah, well .. there's always a catch |
| 14:55.50 | zOap | Ronin, I'm on my way to the wellfare office to collect my social money :P |
| 14:56.09 | fireba11 | michael117: i don't think your question makes sense |
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| 14:56.14 | valdyn | michael117: no character encoding at all |
| 14:56.17 | zOap | yeah, damn those people |
| 14:56.23 | pengol | what does $! mean? |
| 14:56.32 | Ronin | uh huh wondered as much, better to work on windows then that heh |
| 14:56.43 | Jhair | ways better... |
| 14:56.45 | zOap | Ronin, hehe, maybe:) |
| 14:56.46 | Jhair | I guess |
| 14:56.53 | michael117 | Well, I'm trying to figure out which one is better for the nls option in my fstab |
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| 14:57.11 | valdyn | michael117: better? there's only one correct option |
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| 14:57.24 | zOap | but the irony is: who in their right mind would adminstrer dns on a win machine? |
| 14:57.40 | fireba11 | zOap: wait .. the DNS is on windows ? |
| 14:57.42 | valdyn | michael117: which is the one your other os accessing the same partition is using |
| 14:57.59 | zOap | fireba11, yup, so I'm told. |
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| 14:58.10 | attila | ... |
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| 14:58.27 | fireba11 | zOap: tell them you'd take the job but they need to move to 'nix to be flexible :-) |
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| 14:58.34 | pengol | I mean in a shell script |
| 14:58.37 | pengol | what does $! mean? |
| 14:58.53 | attila | nothing |
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| 14:59.13 | nkuttler | pengol: man bash |
| 14:59.18 | zOap | fireba11, yeah well, it seems they are real "tight" with MS, so telling them that would be like declining the job offer.. |
| 14:59.22 | zOap | *shrug* |
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| 14:59.29 | dvm1981 | petemc: For that scrip, how many times it should be run it in cron tab. I guess depending on the paranoid?? But 1 or 2 times in an day? |
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| 14:59.37 | michael117 | valdyn: Thanks.... arg!! |
| 14:59.47 | fireba11 | zOap: to be hones i don't even know a windows DNS solution that would stand company needs |
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| 14:59.58 | zOap | fireba11, me neither. |
| 15:00.08 | fireba11 | zOap: you knwo what they use ? |
| 15:00.17 | darkness_ | petemc, was your friend in a hurry when he wrote that script? |
| 15:00.25 | petemc | dvm1981: as often as you're comfortable with?> |
| 15:00.33 | petemc | darkness_: what do you mean? |
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| 15:00.45 | ansong | i've got an ntfs formatted disk that's gone bad (got dropped). when i try to mount it, dmesg | tail gives shows me I/O errors for 3 sectors before it give up. does anyone know of a way to try to 'read around' those sectors? |
| 15:00.50 | Jhair | attila: the PID of the last executed background command |
| 15:00.51 | fireba11 | zOap: ah well .. biggest german ISP still uses NT boxes for user auth for dialup access and DSL lines ^^ |
| 15:01.00 | zOap | fireba11, no, I didn't stop to ask. I was to help up thinking about all the disadvantages working on win:= |
| 15:01.09 | zOap | haha |
| 15:01.11 | Ronin | ya like steady pay heh |
| 15:01.28 | ansong | zOap, take the job and go learn something |
| 15:01.31 | CptnObvious | Are there any debian torrent managing packages I can apt-get? |
| 15:01.36 | darkness_ | petemc, well tail -100 $authFile... what if you get more than 100 entries during the cron job interval? |
| 15:01.38 | attila | Jhair, if you had a ton of links about that, it's easy |
| 15:01.39 | valdyn | ansong: mounting doesnt access alot of sectors, dont 99% of you disk or everything ( the head ) might be broken? |
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| 15:01.53 | valdyn | ansong: mounting doesnt access alot of sectors, dont you think 99% of you disk or everything ( the head ) might be broken? |
| 15:01.58 | zOap | I might, but that would be like sell my soul.. but hell, money counts for something |
| 15:02.00 | petemc | darkness_: you should think before you open your big mouth |
| 15:02.02 | Jhair | attila: uh? it's described in the bash man page... |
| 15:02.07 | dvm1981 | petemc: So every hour? Is that not overkill (or over paranoa), i'm a bit confused (with the both) :-/ |
| 15:02.19 | attila | Jhair, you can get more... |
| 15:02.29 | Jhair | attila: you can get more what |
| 15:02.33 | Ronin | zOap: trick is to take the job, then start showing them the perks of not using windows |
| 15:02.43 | ansong | valdyn, that's what i'm afraid of. the BIOS on this system is having difficulty even detecting the disk. damn |
| 15:02.46 | attila | Jhair, I did |
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| 15:03.03 | petemc | dvm1981: every few minutes is fine |
| 15:03.07 | zOap | Ronin, yeah, sneak *nix in the back way. good thinkin:) |
| 15:03.08 | valdyn | ansong: you can try ddrescue on that disk, doubt it would do much though |
| 15:03.14 | valdyn | !ddrescue |
| 15:03.17 | valdyn | !dd_rescue |
| 15:03.20 | zOap | Ronin** |
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| 15:03.31 | zOap | argh |
| 15:03.38 | darkness_ | petemc, I was only trying to be constructive. |
| 15:04.02 | abrotman | darkness_: another way is to use only keys .. turn off interactive logins |
| 15:04.12 | attila | valdyn, made in what? |
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| 15:05.12 | rpt | ?? I am pretty sure I have found a problem in iwconfig. It dies with "Segmentation fault". How do I report that? |
| 15:05.42 | attila | hehe |
| 15:05.42 | Jhair | rpt: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
| 15:05.50 | rpt | Thanks |
| 15:05.52 | darkness_ | abrotman: Tks for the help. |
| 15:05.53 | azeem | rpt: which version of Debian are you running? |
| 15:06.08 | ansong | valdyn, thanks, i'll give it a try |
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| 15:06.28 | rpt | Knoppix 4.0.2 2.6.12 kernel |
| 15:06.35 | attila | hehe |
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| 15:06.42 | Jhair | rpt: Knoppix isn't debian |
| 15:06.44 | attila | 2.6.12? hahahahaha |
| 15:06.47 | azeem | rpt: ask in #knoppix then, please |
| 15:06.49 | azeem | attila: eh? |
| 15:07.02 | attila | nothing... you will know |
| 15:07.14 | Jhair | azeem: he is trolling, just ignore him |
| 15:07.32 | dvm1981 | petemc: But i think the script not help me here, i have never some try's of attacks here. But interested in that script. So i completely open that thing :-/ |
| 15:07.38 | attila | lol |
| 15:08.01 | dvm1981 | petemc: That's not nice when nobody try here :-( i can not learn about that ... |
| 15:08.11 | azeem | attila: this is a support forum. Please either ask your support questions, or help us support other people |
| 15:08.14 | rpt | It uses the same archives for files ( the wireless tools) and they seem to not answer technical questions often, by I will try. |
| 15:08.16 | _joey_ | how do I install true type fonts from MS ? |
| 15:08.32 | azeem | attila: random off-topic remarks should only be done if you have a lot of signal to counterfeit your noise |
| 15:08.32 | darkness_ | Abrotman, i've just seen this in the debian pages. Any good? http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/187 |
| 15:08.46 | abrotman | i can't comment .. not used it |
| 15:08.46 | attila | azeem, if I knew how to help... |
| 15:08.59 | asg | _joey_: /msg dpkg font guide |
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| 15:09.15 | azeem | attila: if you don't, then either stay quiet unless you have questions, or see whether you can find a more appropriate channel |
| 15:09.32 | dvm1981 | petemc: I must inform that my ISP also blocks the port less than 1024 :-( |
| 15:09.57 | fireba11 | zOap: might be powerdns |
| 15:10.52 | attila | dvm1981, they should block 0~65535 |
| 15:11.10 | attila | that = profit! |
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| 15:11.41 | dvm1981 | s/port/ports |
| 15:11.57 | attila | no, profit |
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| 15:14.48 | dvm1981 | bye |
| 15:14.49 | abrotman | yay |
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| 15:16.17 | _joey_ | asg dpkg gives broken url link |
| 15:16.35 | asg | _joey_: yeah, I just noticed. |
| 15:16.41 | asg | abrotman: did bob2 drop off the face of the earth? |
| 15:16.50 | abrotman | asg: yeah .. we covered this before :) |
| 15:16.55 | abrotman | !seen bob2 |
| 15:16.55 | dpkg | bob2 <i=rob@crumbs.ertius.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 91d 8h 11m 37s ago, saying: 'Mortal1: np, good luck'. |
| 15:17.10 | abrotman | asg: i figure he either got a job .. or got a g/f :) |
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| 15:17.25 | asg | abrotman: ah, okay. I thought he had been back since the last time. |
| 15:17.35 | berzerka | (how) can i 'confirm' whether the sudden power-offs are hardware failures? |
| 15:17.36 | abrotman | asg: /msg nickserv info bob2 |
| 15:17.45 | abrotman | berzerka: get an UPS ? :) |
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| 15:17.58 | berzerka | abrotman: UPS? |
| 15:18.01 | abrotman | !ups |
| 15:18.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ups is (Uninterruptible Power Supply) This is a device that contains a battery and some circuitry to supply your computer with power for a limited time (depending on the battery) if there is any sort of interruption in the outlet power. or at http://metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/ups/. THE WORLDS MOST HORRIBLE SHIPPING COMPANY, or apparently teh nu kewl speling of oops. mgeups software for debian is at ... |
| 15:18.17 | _joey_ | in a nutshell, how do I configure X on debian? |
| 15:18.20 | _joey_ | never had it :) |
| 15:18.23 | asg | _joey_: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 15:18.26 | asg | abrotman: sad |
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| 15:19.40 | berzerka | abrotman: well, the system has power. its a notebook, the battery is fully charged and power supply is connected. but this wasnt a serious proposal anyway, was it? |
| 15:20.05 | fireba11 | zOap: uh .. there is even bind for windows... *shrugs* |
| 15:20.32 | _joey_ | has anyone configured vnc server with x server before ? |
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| 15:21.04 | payrok | yeah |
| 15:21.07 | _joey_ | or is there another service which would allow remote connect and use gui apps ? |
| 15:21.23 | payrok | you just issue the vncserver command at the cli |
| 15:21.26 | berzerka | _joey_: yes, X11 forwarding, preferrably over ssh. |
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| 15:21.41 | _joey_ | berzerka no good |
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| 15:21.52 | _joey_ | i need to disconnect and keep the apps running |
| 15:22.50 | fireba11 | _joey_: i can tell you what you need to do ;-) |
| 15:23.14 | dvm1981 | _joey_: ssh -X?? |
| 15:23.23 | fireba11 | berzerka: i did that here .. |
| 15:23.36 | berzerka | fireba11: well... how? :) |
| 15:24.00 | tijn | iam going nuts, my root account is now knows as administrator :S |
| 15:24.03 | fireba11 | berzerka _joey wait a sec, i'll look up how i did it |
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| 15:24.30 | berzerka | fireba11: nice. |
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| 15:24.36 | dvm1981 | _joey_: screen ssh-X?? |
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| 15:24.48 | dvm1981 | _joey: Wiht an space |
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| 15:26.16 | berzerka | system always ran stable, networking worked, was able to set mac address. didnt change anything on the software/configuration side, suddenly system powers off when using ifconfig and even during bootup. has to be a hardware failure, right? |
| 15:26.27 | fireba11 | _joey: you need to edit vnc startup script .. i did it on a suse linux though, but shouldnot make much difference ... |
| 15:26.38 | p00ya | _joey_: you can use xmove with a headless X too |
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| 15:27.04 | Eclipser | berzerka, quite likely |
| 15:27.08 | fireba11 | _joey: essentially you need to start vncserver with a couple options like "$VNCSERVER_BIN :5 -geometry 1024x768 -alwaysshared -depth 24" |
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| 15:27.34 | p00ya | dvm1981: the problem with screen is that if you have an X client, when you detach and close the ssh session, the client gets disconnected too |
| 15:27.42 | berzerka | MEEH!! SO UNFAIR!! |
| 15:27.42 | fireba11 | _joey: and VNC to ip:5 to get the right desktop |
| 15:27.54 | fireba11 | _joey: then it will keep running |
| 15:27.57 | Zrin | dpkg says textpos/textpos.sty is in tetex-extra, but in my sarge it is not there? how can I get textpos.sty? |
| 15:27.58 | dpkg | okay, Zrin |
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| 15:28.16 | fireba11 | _joey: you should add vncserver to init of course |
| 15:28.30 | Zrin | dpkg be quiet |
| 15:28.30 | dpkg | Ah, shuddup. |
| 15:28.32 | ValmikRoy | can i use hdparm to measure performance of I/O schedulers in 2.6 ? |
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| 15:29.06 | dvm1981 | p00ya: I try that now, now know that :-/ i had not that problem, or im on the bad way |
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| 15:29.26 | KinxofSepluv | 2.14 Genome is out today! |
| 15:29.36 | SerajewelKS | KinxofSepluv: genome? |
| 15:29.41 | KinxofSepluv | err Gnome |
| 15:29.46 | abrotman | berzerka: you'd guess hardware eh? |
| 15:29.59 | berzerka | abrotman: well... any other ideas? |
| 15:30.09 | abrotman | berzerka: kernel crash? |
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| 15:30.36 | berzerka | abrotman: hmm.. well. didnt change anything, ran stable for weeks (if not months).. |
| 15:30.40 | strider | KinxofSepluv: nothing on gnome.org |
| 15:30.54 | azeem | strider: it'll be released later today |
| 15:30.54 | tarzeau | !dog |
| 15:30.55 | dpkg | methinks dog is at http://www.nl.linux.org/~wsl/dog.html (Buffering replacement for cat) or a mammal which is sometimes called mans best friend, or a footstool, or god spelled backwards, or cats from www |
| 15:31.02 | tarzeau | dpkg dog is also http://mfrost.typepad.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/gracem.jpg |
| 15:31.02 | dpkg | tarzeau: okay |
| 15:31.29 | KinxofSepluv | strider, http://www.gnome.org/~davyd/gnome-2-14/ |
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| 15:31.44 | berzerka | abrotman: maybe a kernel crash resulting from fs inconsistencies? ... will do fsck on all partitions, build new kernel and try further, but i cant believe it will help... |
| 15:31.59 | strider | KinxofSepluv: yeah, seen that already. is the preview link |
| 15:32.18 | fireba11 | berzerka: you noticed the vns tips i wrote to _joey ? forgot to pput your nick in too |
| 15:32.39 | berzerka | fireba11: yep, forgot to thank you for them ;) |
| 15:32.45 | berzerka | fireba11: well, thanks |
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| 15:33.50 | abrotman | berzerka: try a liveCD |
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| 15:34.13 | strider | KinxofSepluv: Gnome 2.14 should not take much time to hit unstable. A few packages are already in experimental |
| 15:34.24 | _joey | fireba11 thanks |
| 15:34.38 | abrotman | berzerka: leave the liveCD run for a bit .. if it happens too .. could be the hardware eh? :) |
| 15:34.57 | berzerka | abrotman: AARGH. just happened again. root fsck -> reboot -> poweroff -> root fsck... yep will do that... is there a debian liveCD? |
| 15:35.02 | SerajewelKS | are child processes affected by their parent's niceness? |
| 15:35.07 | abrotman | "I think i'm turning canadian .. i think i'm turning canadian" .. just doesn't have the same ring |
| 15:35.26 | abrotman | berzerka: nope .. though leaving the install CD running might tell you |
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| 15:35.36 | abrotman | berzerka: what kernel are you using? |
| 15:35.43 | berzerka | abrotman: 2.6.12.2 |
| 15:36.06 | berzerka | abrotman: but as i said, always ran stable.. |
| 15:36.19 | KinxofSepluv | strider, I've already got it from Ubuntu's APT |
| 15:36.35 | abrotman | berzerka: stable doesn't have 2.6.12.2 |
| 15:36.42 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 15:36.42 | dpkg | Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntulinux.org and/or visit #ubuntu, right here on IRC. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
| 15:36.51 | berzerka | abrotman: well, i use testing. and its not a debian kernel. |
| 15:37.05 | abrotman | go figure :) |
| 15:37.13 | abrotman | berzerka: maybe try a debian kernel .. see what happens |
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| 15:37.22 | kookaburra | !Based On Debian |
| 15:37.22 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 15:37.35 | berzerka | abrotman: yep. will try that at home. thanks a lot for now. |
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| 15:40.04 | abrotman | !moo |
| 15:40.05 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 15:41.15 | dvm1981 | p00ya: I got not this problem, but not sure im on the same way :-/ But i can run 'screen -S test ssh -X debser' then run 'kwrite' type some text in that, then in another console 'screen -S test -d -r' |
| 15:41.42 | KinxofSepluv | I'm running Debian with Ubuntu Packages. There IS a difference |
| 15:41.55 | pipeline | KinxofSepluv: It's still a "based on" thing. Try #ubuntu. |
| 15:42.12 | KinxofSepluv | So sue me for telling that Gnome 2.14 is out |
| 15:42.51 | tuxedup | im sorry if i am in thw wrong room for asking this, but im interested in giving sarge a try, does it include any automatic hardware detection, or will I need to know the chipsets my hardware is using? |
| 15:42.53 | abrotman | KinxofSepluv: you're not running debian .. |
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| 15:43.05 | abrotman | !d-i tuxedup |
| 15:43.05 | dpkg | tuxedup, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 15:43.09 | stew | tuxedup: /msg dpkg d-i ; it does include hardware detection |
| 15:43.16 | pipeline | tuxedup: This is the right room, and for the most part, you shouldn't. |
| 15:43.21 | abrotman | hrm .. should add a link there about install guide |
| 15:43.37 | pipeline | tuxedup: Some graphics cards are not detected, of course. You will need to know that. You will also need to know what resolutions your monitor is capable of. |
| 15:44.29 | KinxofSepluv | abrotman, Yes I am. I am running Unstable Sid Kernal and All other Packages Except for Firefox, which is currently borked on Unstable (DO NOT UPDATE) and Gnome 2.14 |
| 15:44.36 | abrotman | NO YOU'RE NOT |
| 15:44.39 | tuxedup | i know most of the hardware, I just was not sure if I would need the exact model and thing smy sounds chips and network card use, thansk for the help |
| 15:44.47 | abrotman | KinxofSepluv: you are 100% NOT RUNNING DEBIAN |
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| 15:44.55 | yggwork | whats all the fuss in here |
| 15:45.04 | KinxofSepluv | But I am 100% Running Linux! |
| 15:45.13 | valdyn | KinxofSepluv: debian has no gnome 2.14, i dont even know if gnome 2.14 is released yet |
| 15:45.22 | kookaburra | the new sarge installer is pretty decent at detecting things. i got my stupid little emachines going with sarge. just as easy as ubuntu. tried both. sarge is great. |
| 15:45.26 | stew | i don't think gnome 2.14 has yet been released |
| 15:45.29 | KinxofSepluv | valdyn, it was just released today |
| 15:45.34 | stew | KinxofSepluv: url? |
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| 15:45.40 | abrotman | KinxofSepluv: FINE .. go to ##linux for support |
| 15:45.49 | abrotman | valdyn: it hasn't been |
| 15:45.49 | KinxofSepluv | stew, http://www.gnome.org/~davyd/gnome-2-14/ |
| 15:46.02 | abrotman | KinxofSepluv: that's been there for months idiot |
| 15:46.02 | sorpigal | abrotman: how many non-Debian packages does it take to make a system not Debian? |
| 15:46.05 | abrotman | 1 |
| 15:46.06 | valdyn | KinxofSepluv: so? doesnt say its released |
| 15:46.07 | jbroome | 1 |
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| 15:46.12 | deejoe_ | ok, this has been bugging me when it occurs, because it doesn't make sense to me. But when I upgrade a woody system to sarge using the release notes' recommended "aptitude -f --with-recommends dist-upgrade" I get a list of packages for which aptitude says "The following packages are RECOMMENDED but will NOT be installed: |
| 15:46.13 | Chris | hmm..my gdm seems to be started too late..so the terminal login prompt alredy becomes visible.. how-to fix this? shifting the gdm symlink in the rc2.d folder? |
| 15:46.20 | KinxofSepluv | valdyn, Slashdot says it's been released |
| 15:46.21 | valdyn | KinxofSepluv: you're full of shit ) |
| 15:46.30 | pipeline | sorpigal: One. |
| 15:46.30 | stew | KinxofSepluv: i dont' see a place to download it there |
| 15:46.39 | deejoe_ | what's the point of --with-recommends in that case, then? |
| 15:46.43 | valdyn | KinxofSepluv: no it does not |
| 15:46.51 | sorpigal | So compiling mplayer from source was a bad idea? |
| 15:46.56 | KinxofSepluv | stew, I was able to get it from ubuntu |
| 15:47.02 | valdyn | sorpigal: what's wrong with marillat? |
| 15:47.09 | pipeline | sorpigal: It was if you installed it in /usr. |
| 15:47.10 | abrotman | KinxofSepluv: no it doesn't .. |
| 15:47.12 | valdyn | KinxofSepluv: nice for you, we dont support ubuntu |
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| 15:47.25 | KinxofSepluv | FFS I'm not asking for help |
| 15:47.26 | yggwork | yea we dont support ubuntu |
| 15:47.34 | yggwork | we actualy kind of mock it |
| 15:47.35 | sorpigal | valdyn: I don't like his build options. |
| 15:47.39 | abrotman | where the fuck does slashdot say gnome 2.14 has been released? |
| 15:47.41 | azeem | gentleman, this GNOME discussing is pointless |
| 15:47.45 | valdyn | sorpigal: what's wrong with them? |
| 15:47.49 | azeem | discussion even |
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| 15:47.58 | valdyn | abrotman: it sure does not |
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| 15:48.01 | sorpigal | valdyn: and besides, he provides non-Debian packages. It's just as bad. |
| 15:48.05 | KinxofSepluv | Your all a bunch of Distro fanboi's. |
| 15:48.07 | abrotman | valdyn: because it hasn't :) |
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| 15:48.12 | thingfish | yay! |
| 15:48.19 | valdyn | sorpigal: they're quite convenient |
| 15:48.23 | kookaburra | freaking ubuntu users are dillweeds. if the users that come here are typical. |
| 15:48.24 | Prashady | this chat suck |
| 15:48.26 | Ronin | cool i got upgraded to fanboi? |
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| 15:48.27 | thingfish | abrotman: boy I hear you there. |
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| 15:48.32 | valdyn | sorpigal: as building mplayer with all its depends is probably tricky |
| 15:48.40 | abrotman | Ronin: no .. you're still canadian |
| 15:48.48 | _joey | fireba11 how did you configure auth for vncserver ? |
| 15:48.51 | Ronin | :) |
| 15:48.56 | sorpigal | pipeline: so as long as I install in local then I can install non-Debian packages and still be running Debian? |
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| 15:49.24 | fireba11 | _joey: don't think i changed anything ... i set another user though |
| 15:49.26 | valdyn | sorpigal: installing packages that are not in debians repository doesnt make you running not debian |
| 15:49.29 | pipeline | sorpigal: Yup. |
| 15:49.35 | sorpigal | valdyn: It really isn't tricky. And I like turning on all of the experimental stuff. |
| 15:49.43 | valdyn | sorpigal: installing packages that are not _made_ _for_ debian is evil |
| 15:49.46 | sorpigal | valdyn: I asked, others said it did. |
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| 15:49.53 | fireba11 | _joey: have to go now ... if you need more help i'll be here again in about 2 hours |
| 15:49.56 | pipeline | sorpigal: You will not, then, be overwriting anything from debian. What holds true about debian will still work. If you installed Ubuntu in a chroot, would your debian system stop being debian? :P |
| 15:50.11 | _joey | fireba11 take care |
| 15:50.28 | valdyn | sorpigal: those people probably dont know what they are talking about.. anyway, nothing wrong with you building mplayer yourself, you work. |
| 15:50.31 | asg | pipeline: no, though, it would be like having a pile of poo in the corner of your $HOME |
| 15:50.56 | deejoe_ | I guess what my question is, are there things that are merely recommended that *aren't* getting installed when I use the --with-recommends switch, but that the list of packages that aptitude says are recommended but won't be installed is some kind of exception? |
| 15:50.58 | pipeline | asg: Eh, it doesn't interfere with structural integrity. |
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| 15:51.09 | yggwork | i like poo particularly flinging aspect of it |
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| 15:51.09 | deejoe_ | s/aren't/are/ |
| 15:51.09 | asg | pipeline: no, of course it doesn't. |
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| 15:51.34 | valdyn | deejoe_: recommended packages are not guaranteed to exist, nor are they even 'real' package necessarily |
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| 15:51.57 | valdyn | !virtual package |
| 15:51.58 | dpkg | methinks virtual package is a package that doesn't really exist but represents a function which several real packages fulfill, which appears in the Provides control file field of another package. The effect is as if the package(s) which provide a particular virtual package name had been listed by name everywhere the virtual package name appears. To find which package(s) provide a foo virtual package, use $ apt-cache showpkg foo; |
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| 15:52.26 | deejoe_ | ok, valdyn |
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| 15:52.41 | abrotman | valdyn: you fanboi! |
| 15:52.48 | aliesky | Hello All |
| 15:53.13 | asg | abrotman: cakebutt! |
| 15:53.22 | aliesky | where can I find the config of the resolution in my session? |
| 15:53.37 | deejoe_ | so, I tried it without the --with-recommends, and it gives the same counts of packages to upgrade, etc: 229 packages upgraded, 79 newly installed, 8 to remove and 1 not upgraded. |
| 15:53.42 | asg | aliesky: what kind of resolution? |
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| 15:53.48 | deejoe_ | I guess the switch should be --with-recommends-maybe |
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| 15:53.51 | valdyn | !wayttd aliesky |
| 15:53.51 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, aliesky? |
| 15:54.30 | sorpigal | hey, fun. Debian has close to 500 web browsers. |
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| 15:54.54 | asg | sorpigal: sadly none of them make the web not suck |
| 15:55.03 | p00ya | aliesky: prop -root _NET_DESKTOP_GEOMETRY perhaps |
| 15:55.06 | sorpigal | If you include several versions of Emacs. |
| 15:55.10 | p00ya | er, xprop |
| 15:55.14 | asg | sorpigal: and telnet and GET |
| 15:55.38 | sorpigal | asg: those are not in my list. |
| 15:56.00 | asg | sorpigal: no, probably not. |
| 15:56.12 | aliesky | I want to find where is the config file that say My resolution |
| 15:56.17 | abrotman | asg: i'd deny it .. if it weren't true |
| 15:56.25 | p00ya | aliesky: /etc/X11/xorg.conf perhaps |
| 15:56.36 | asg | aliesky: which resolution? The term has a number of meanings. |
| 15:56.44 | sorpigal | No, I take it back. only about 80. It helps to filter out the depends-on www-browser. |
| 15:56.48 | asg | abrotman: hah |
| 15:56.56 | vook | Is there a way to exit a man page without having the screen revert back to it's previous state? It'd be nice to scroll to the point on a man page that I need, hit q, and still see that portion of the man page. |
| 15:57.35 | p00ya | although if you're using kde or gnome to set your screen resolution in X, then it'd be somewhere in a hidden directory of your home directory i suspect |
| 15:57.41 | aliesky | I want to change the resolution using a soft named "Revolution" |
| 15:57.42 | asg | vook: find out how to make your $PAGER not clear the screen afterwards |
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| 15:57.56 | vook | asg, thanks |
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| 15:58.57 | deejoe_ | well, one of the recommended-but-not-to-be-installed packages is ca-certificates, which so far as I can tell is not a virtual package. |
| 15:59.03 | vook | asg, thanks again, perfect. export PAGER= ... man stuff | less, thanks |
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| 15:59.41 | asg | vook: you're welcome |
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| 16:00.16 | aliesky | the resolution of the screen |
| 16:00.18 | valdyn | deejoe_: have you checked the bts? |
| 16:00.30 | abrotman | asg: update-alternatives! |
| 16:00.36 | pawdro | how to remove ls from bin directory |
| 16:00.38 | pawdro | ? |
| 16:00.45 | valdyn | pawdro: man rm |
| 16:00.47 | stew | pawdro: why? |
| 16:01.11 | asg | abrotman: TIMTOWTDI |
| 16:01.58 | pawdro | stew: because i wanted to make ln -s to file: firefox in /opt i did to whole firefox/ |
| 16:02.11 | yggwork | who gave me that keepalive script yesterday?.. i need it i guesse |
| 16:02.27 | p00ya | pawdro: huh? |
| 16:02.39 | stew | pawdro: what do firefox and ls have to do with eachother? |
| 16:02.47 | abrotman | asg: timgoh0 is my third other wife that died inconspiciously ? |
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| 16:03.00 | quiet | okay, changed sources.list to testing... updated... installed linux-image-2.6-686 (2.6.15-1-686)... now I should be able to cleanly dist-upgrade.. yes? |
| 16:03.05 | pawdro | stew sorry i did ln |
| 16:03.06 | deejoe_ | valdyn: no. My assumption has been that there was something fundamental I didn't understand about recommends, and that this was so huge a thing to have persisted as a bug without being mentioned in the upgrade docs. But, I'm trying to reach the bts now, but . . . well, not getting much luck yet. |
| 16:03.10 | asg | abrotman: hehe |
| 16:03.27 | CptnObvious | Is there a way I can install java? Should I use the one from java.com? |
| 16:03.35 | asg | CptnObvious: /msg dpkg java-package |
| 16:03.47 | aliesky | for example: in a PC a user have a 800x600 resolution and other 1024x768, where is the config file for this? |
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| 16:03.57 | asg | aliesky: /etc/X11 |
| 16:04.10 | pawdro | so how to remove symlink? |
| 16:04.11 | abrotman | aliesky: in gnome .. use the screen resolution applet |
| 16:04.13 | stew | CptnObvious: you can apt-get install java-runtime ; but if you need stuff like applet support for your browser you need to use a non free java (like the one from sun), which would mean what asg said |
| 16:04.13 | abrotman | rm |
| 16:04.13 | asg | aliesky: xorg.conf or XF86Config-4 (depending on your X version) |
| 16:04.18 | junix|work | why does firefox open a whole bunch of defunct processes in unstable? |
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| 16:04.34 | abrotman | it's broken? |
| 16:04.34 | deejoe_ | yeah, I can't reach bugs.debian.org at the moment |
| 16:04.36 | asg | junix|work: check the bts |
| 16:04.38 | abrotman | junix|work: check the bts |
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| 16:04.49 | abrotman | asg: Sorry, someone said that 1 sec ago |
| 16:04.54 | dvm1981 | raz0: And the computer ?? |
| 16:05.01 | CptnObvious | Ok thanks I think i got it :) |
| 16:05.04 | valdyn | deejoe_: that site works fine from here |
| 16:05.04 | asg | abrotman: yes, I did punk :p |
| 16:05.22 | sven_GP | does somebody know ho to recover deleted indodes. (probably they where deleted by shutting down the server with a Samba partition still mounted |
| 16:05.45 | stew | sven_GP: what is the underlying filesystem? |
| 16:05.46 | dvm1981 | raz0: It repaired the computer of you're friend? |
| 16:05.53 | sven_GP | stew: ext2 |
| 16:05.54 | valdyn | sven_GP: what is a samba partition supposed to be? |
| 16:06.15 | aliesky | p00ya: /etc/X11/xorg.conf is a general config, i need the config by user |
| 16:06.16 | raz0 | dvm1981, What? |
| 16:06.16 | valdyn | sven_GP: given that samba doesnt know or deal with partitions |
| 16:06.24 | sorpigal | c:\ |
| 16:06.26 | locus | strange...when I boot the 2.6.8 smp kernel on a dual xeon ibm server dmesg detects 4 cpu's even thou there are only 2...is that something I should be concerned about? |
| 16:06.38 | raz0 | dvm1981, I think you're thinking of somebody else.. |
| 16:06.43 | valdyn | locus: those cpus support ht? |
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| 16:06.46 | stew | sven_GP: for ext2 you could try e2undel, if it's actually ext3, it's impossible, however i wouldn't get my hopes up |
| 16:06.50 | sven_GP | valdyn: I just meant, that the data was coming from networks... yeah shure forget the samba part it does not matter where the data came from |
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| 16:07.08 | locus | valdyn, most likely |
| 16:07.14 | dvm1981 | raz0: Yep, sorry, i have check the ip, a friend have the same nick here, oh he added an _ |
| 16:07.27 | CptnObvious | paul@upstairs:~$ sudo apt-get install java-package |
| 16:07.29 | valdyn | locus: if they do, then that's the correct number of cpus |
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| 16:07.34 | CptnObvious | E: Couldn't find package java-package |
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| 16:07.37 | p00ya | aliesky: yes, it's general, but you presumably don't run a private copy of X11. so it gets used. if it gets overidden, it's something you've set, so you'll have to tell us your window manager etc (KDE, gnome, xfce all provide ways to override) |
| 16:07.41 | locus | valdyn, thanks for the hint |
| 16:07.43 | stew | locus: cat /proc/cpuinfo and look at the flags, you'll likely see "ht" in there, which would explain it |
| 16:07.43 | CptnObvious | Umm |
| 16:07.46 | abrotman | !tell CptnObvious about contrib |
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| 16:08.52 | dvm1981 | raz0: No he use 'raz_' :-/ |
| 16:09.02 | aliesky | thanks, another question |
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| 16:09.06 | bartden | hi, i have a problem with ati and debian, i installed the debs, i have loaded fglrx with no error, i adjusted xorg.conf , but when i do fglrxinfo , i see OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect, howcome it wont use the ATI driver ?? |
| 16:09.09 | dvm1981 | raz0: I inform him to use another one or so ;-0 |
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| 16:09.15 | aliesky | how can I fix the problem for play many sound at the same time? |
| 16:09.36 | valdyn | bartden: which debs did you install? |
| 16:09.39 | p00ya | aliesky: jackd or similar |
| 16:09.55 | p00ya | or if you have lots of channels on your soundcard, get each application to use a unique channel |
| 16:10.04 | NET||abuse | i'm confused by apt and svn |
| 16:10.19 | NET||abuse | how can i find out where my svn.conf is? |
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| 16:10.36 | asg | NET||abuse: dpkg -L svn |
| 16:10.47 | stew | what is svn.conf? |
| 16:10.55 | NET||abuse | svn is not installed |
| 16:11.01 | asg | NET||abuse: or s/svn/subversion/ |
| 16:11.02 | p00ya | aliesky: arts comes with kde and counts as "or similar" |
| 16:11.12 | stew | NET||abuse: its "subversion" not svn. but what is svn.conf? i've never seen one |
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| 16:11.41 | stew | NET||abuse: actually there is a /etc/subversion |
| 16:11.57 | asg | and /etc/subversion/config |
| 16:12.06 | stew | heh, i've been using subversion for years, and never realized that existed |
| 16:12.06 | yggwork | who gave me that keepalive script yesterday?.. i need it i guesse |
| 16:12.11 | asg | stew: :) |
| 16:12.27 | Ronin | yggwork: check your log files |
| 16:12.33 | yggwork | i didnt log it:( |
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| 16:12.36 | yggwork | i lost 2 things |
| 16:12.40 | dvm1981 | stew: Or he think that there are one, because he just installed it. I presume |
| 16:12.50 | aliesky | p00ya: when I'm playing a sound in XMMS and i try to play another in Xine for example, the System say me that the audio Card is BUSY, how fix it? |
| 16:13.11 | valdyn | aliesky: setup alsa, use dmix |
| 16:13.12 | valdyn | !alsa |
| 16:13.12 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
| 16:13.13 | valdyn | !dmix |
| 16:13.14 | dpkg | dmix is, like, an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 16:13.22 | p00ya | aliesky: see my previous 3 messages |
| 16:13.36 | Frem | I've got abiword, aspell & aspell-en installed, but I can't spellcheck in abiword? Am I missing something? |
| 16:13.37 | valdyn | aliesky: and 3rd, tell your applications to use alsa, not OSS |
| 16:13.45 | Unetixs | I have a client machine running X, and I have a server running X. Is there a way I can tell my client to connect to the server's Xserver instead of using its own Xserver? Currently I'm using X forwarding but I would prefer to spawn an entire desktop on the server. |
| 16:13.57 | bartden | valdyn, the ones generated by the installer |
| 16:13.58 | p00ya | Unetixs: set DISPLAY |
| 16:14.00 | abrotman | Frem: i believe the docs tell you how to make it work |
| 16:14.08 | abrotman | Frem: or rather. . the help in abiword |
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| 16:14.11 | p00ya | Unetixs: some clients accept a -display too |
| 16:14.24 | valdyn | bartden: looks like that installer is broken |
| 16:14.25 | aliesky | sorry for my late message but the connection in too slow |
| 16:14.58 | valdyn | bartden: ldd /usr/X11R6/bin/glxgears | grep "libGL." |
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| 16:15.40 | NET||abuse | i'm tryin to follow the article for setting up svn on http://wiki.ucalgary.ca/page/LearningCommons/Documentation/Subversion |
| 16:16.05 | NET||abuse | and i now relise what they call a svn.conf is an included conf file for apche2 |
| 16:16.07 | NET||abuse | apache2 |
| 16:16.23 | bartden | valdyn, i get libGL.so.1 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1 (0xb7e5a000) |
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| 16:16.39 | valdyn | bartden: dpkg -S /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1 |
| 16:17.41 | bartden | valdyn, i get xlibmesa-gl: /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1 |
| 16:17.51 | dvm1981 | NET||abuse: /usr/local/apache/conf/svn.conf ?? |
| 16:18.02 | valdyn | bartden: ok, now tell me if there is more libGL.* files in /usr/bin/ |
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| 16:18.06 | valdyn | bartden: ok, now tell me if there is more libGL.* files in /usr/lib/ |
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| 16:18.33 | dvm1981 | NET||abuse: but its in /usr/local/ ... :-/ |
| 16:18.40 | NET||abuse | dvm1981, yeh, but debian doesn't put it near there, it's in /etc/apach2 |
| 16:18.43 | NET||abuse | /etc/apach2 |
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| 16:18.47 | DomiX6 | hi, I've a big problem with grub O.97 (on debian/testing) when my computer start it hangs with a smiley and nothing else, what can I do ? |
| 16:19.01 | dvm1981 | NET||abuse: It's normal, the apps goes there, if you install it from source |
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| 16:19.27 | dvm1981 | NET||abuse: looking for |
| 16:19.31 | NET||abuse | if you install apache2 from source it goes to /usr/local/apache2 |
| 16:19.40 | NET||abuse | but apt-get for it goes to /etc/apache2 |
| 16:19.43 | valdyn | bartden: it would be useful if you could tell me the names of the packages you install with the help of atis installer.. |
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| 16:20.37 | hq4ever | Helllo ppl I have a somewhat OT question: How can I estimate hardware requirements for high load postfix relay server ? |
| 16:20.54 | bartden | valdyn, there's libGL.so |
| 16:20.54 | bartden | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:20.54 | bartden | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:20.56 | asg | hq4ever: #postfix or the postfix mailing list probably have better metrics |
| 16:21.23 | valdyn | bartden: ok, thanks, try "LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libGL.so.1 glxinfo" |
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| 16:21.46 | dvm1981 | uprecords show me 28 days, i understand why my power facture are so many :-/ |
| 16:21.50 | hq4ever | asg: I supose your right, will go to check it there. Thank you |
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| 16:22.00 | stew | hq4ever: for a high traffic email server the bottleneck is going to be the harddisks |
| 16:22.03 | lzhang | how does dhcpd know which interface to serve on |
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| 16:22.12 | valdyn | bartden: or :" LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libGL.so.1 glxinfo | grep -i direct " |
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| 16:22.21 | aliesky | thanks |
| 16:22.25 | asg | hq4ever: it also depends on what you mean by 'high volume' |
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| 16:22.48 | hq4ever | asg: 60,000 msg / 6 h |
| 16:22.55 | valdyn | !rdepends xlibmesa-gl sarge |
| 16:23.13 | kspath | hq4ever: That is NOT high volume. |
| 16:23.15 | stew | hq4ever: oh, that's not much, anything modern should be able to handle that |
| 16:23.16 | asg | hq4ever: so 10k per hour? |
| 16:23.28 | bartden | and what should i be looking for valdyn |
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| 16:23.45 | hq4ever | Well, what is High volume then ? |
| 16:23.51 | valdyn | bartden: if direct rendering is on |
| 16:24.01 | valdyn | bartden: or if the ATI driver is used instead of mesa |
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| 16:24.08 | hq4ever | Don't forget that it's a relay server and each message is ~50K |
| 16:24.14 | kspath | hq4ever: high volume is subjective and relative to what? |
| 16:24.22 | bartden | nope, its off, should i restart X to test valdyn |
| 16:24.29 | valdyn | bartden: no |
| 16:24.36 | valdyn | bartden: which driver is used? mesa? |
| 16:24.58 | yggwork | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:25.15 | valdyn | yggwork: that isnt a debian package |
| 16:25.16 | kspath | hq4ever: use numbers, define your volume. Using things like high and low volume makes no sense unless you are talking basic volume control on a common mp3 player. |
| 16:25.28 | yggwork | valdyn i know but it happens with any thing |
| 16:25.32 | bartden | valdyn, yes |
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| 16:25.55 | Frem | abrotman: You mean this? (http://www.abisource.com/help/en-US/info/infospelling.html) It says that the spelling engine is selected at compile time, and I was under the impression that in debian, this was aspell. I've got aspell-en installed, also, so it should not have a problem finding a dictionary. My locale is US-en, so there should not be a problem there, either. And I've got spellcheck in some other applications... |
| 16:26.08 | valdyn | bartden: what is the name of the deb you isntalled.. |
| 16:26.13 | stew | kspath: he did |
| 16:26.15 | abrotman | Frem: could have been ispell ... |
| 16:26.19 | slavik | is there a gui tool for generating wpasupplicant config file? |
| 16:26.25 | abrotman | Frem: i meant the docs in abiword(hitting f1 etc) |
| 16:26.29 | yggwork | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:26.31 | yggwork | is that better ? |
| 16:26.39 | hq4ever | kspath: I can't quite define what is high volume because I'm not a smtp server expert. If you could set the scale as to what is considered "HV" for today's standarts I would be able to define my needs better |
| 16:26.49 | kspath | stew: He only said 10,000 per hour and failed to mention sizes and then asked how I would define high volume. |
| 16:27.04 | stew | kspath: he said 50k/msg |
| 16:27.06 | mantang0 | On a samba PDC, do i need CUPS if the clients are sharing their printers via windows own printer sharing, or is it only needed if that PDC is going to be a print server? |
| 16:27.13 | kspath | stew: afterwards |
| 16:27.17 | bartden | fglrx-driver_8.23.7-1_i386.deb and fglrx-kernel-src_8.23.7-1_i386.deb valdyn |
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| 16:27.49 | valdyn | bartden: 'dpkg -L fglrx-driver' and paste that please |
| 16:27.51 | valdyn | !paste |
| 16:27.51 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 16:28.14 | xored | how to let a shell script command be quite, liek the @command under batch |
| 16:28.36 | asg | xored: pipe it's output to /dev/null |
| 16:28.46 | asg | s/t's/ts/ |
| 16:28.46 | xored | command > /dev/null ? |
| 16:28.51 | stew | xored: 2>&1 > /dev/null ; this says redirect stderr to stdout, then redirect stdout to /dev/null (the bit-bucket) |
| 16:28.57 | asg | xored: don't forget stderr also |
| 16:29.11 | GaiaX11 | Is there a way of installing mplayer-gui through apt-get? Or only mplayer? |
| 16:29.22 | xored | asg, stew : whats the diffrent to my commad > /dev/null ? |
| 16:29.24 | yggwork | and then i do this sudo dpkg -P linux-image-2.6.15.4.100306.1 dpkg: error processing linux-image-2.6.15.4.100306.1 (--purge): Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal. Errors were encountered while processing: linux-image-2.6.15.4.100306.1 |
| 16:29.29 | azeem | GaiaX11: mplayer might contain a GUI |
| 16:29.30 | kspath | hq4ever: What I am trying to tell you is high volume is not a useful thing to say/use. Only use numbers. Saying something like high volume is extremely subjective and relative. |
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| 16:29.36 | asg | xored: stderr would still go to stdout, not /dev/null |
| 16:30.00 | stew | asg: well stderr would still go to stderr :) |
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| 16:30.19 | GaiaX11 | So, how to show GUI? |
| 16:30.30 | asg | stew: well, yeah :) |
| 16:30.42 | Fox | GaiaX11: gmplayer ? |
| 16:30.44 | stew | GaiaX11: iirc there is "gmplayer" |
| 16:31.02 | hq4ever | kspath : 10,000 msg / h with each msg ~50Kb to be used on a 10MBit ISP network, comes down to 170 msg / min |
| 16:31.02 | bartden | valdyn, the output is kind of long, so i redirected it to a file, its located at http://users.telenet.be/denotte/fglrx.txt |
| 16:31.06 | xored | asg: so stderr is 2 ? |
| 16:31.24 | asg | xored: yes. |
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| 16:31.34 | GaiaX11 | What's iirc? |
| 16:31.39 | stew | !iirc |
| 16:31.40 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
| 16:31.40 | Frem | abrotman: It took me to that web site when I used the help menu item. I installed the abiword-help package, and it looks like it just installed a copy of that site in file://localhost/usr/share/AbiSuite-2.2/AbiWord/help/en-US/. |
| 16:31.43 | kspath | hq4ever: Are you telling me or asking me? |
| 16:31.50 | asg | GaiaX11: apt-get install bsdgames ; /usr/games/wtf is iirc |
| 16:31.59 | abrotman | Frem: i really think it's ispell .. |
| 16:32.13 | dvm1981 | NET||abuse: I had to mention it early, run 'updatadb' as root user then 'locate svn.conf', but i suspect some things, these howto there ... |
| 16:32.23 | yggwork | anyone know whats up with my messed up pkgs |
| 16:32.28 | hq4ever | kspath: defining the usage and asking if it's a "High Volume" or not ? |
| 16:32.37 | kspath | hq4ever: That is a good start to defining/explaining/showing your volume if. |
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| 16:32.43 | valdyn | bartden: ok, try:"LD_PRELOAD=/usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2 glxinfo | grep -i direct" |
| 16:32.51 | yggwork | i had a ton of custom kernel and i manualy ripped them out :( |
| 16:33.00 | NET||abuse | dvm1981, thanks |
| 16:33.08 | stew | hq4ever: thats only 500MB/hour which isn't a big deal. however if it ever increases the thing that won't be keeping up is the hard disks, so spend your money on good scsi drives |
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| 16:33.29 | hq4ever | kspath: and what hardware should I use then ? |
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| 16:33.37 | abrotman | Frem: you could also check the BTS |
| 16:33.45 | stew | hq4ever: for what it's worth i have a p3 700 with 128mb/ram that i have used in the past to send 10k msg / hour |
| 16:33.50 | yggwork | sudo dpkg -P linux-image-2.6.15.4.100306.1 dpkg: error processing linux-image-2.6.15.4.100306.1 (--purge): Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal.Errors were encountered while processing: linux-image-2.6.15.4.100306.1 |
| 16:33.50 | dvm1981 | NET||abuse: it's 'updatedb' an type errno |
| 16:33.54 | kspath | hq4ever: I would only be concerned with the numbers as I said. I would NOT use a term like "high volume". I might perhaps mark a previous high water mark as my "high volume" however. |
| 16:34.00 | bartden | valdyn still direct rendering: No |
| 16:34.02 | GaiaX11 | I know that there is gmplayer, but i have not seen it as gmplayer.deb or in any debian repository. |
| 16:34.13 | stew | yggwork: this is a kernel you compiled yourself? do you still have the .deb? |
| 16:34.14 | valdyn | bartden: and without the grep, which renderer is used? |
| 16:34.17 | valdyn | bartden: mesa or ati |
| 16:34.35 | stew | GaiaX11: mplayer is not in debian (and probably never will be) becuase of patent issues |
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| 16:34.36 | hq4ever | kspath: OK, ok could we please leave the "high volume" issue alone ? ;) |
| 16:34.42 | bartden | OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect |
| 16:34.42 | stew | GaiaX11: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 16:34.43 | bartden | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:34.47 | yggwork | stwe no.. i had the same problem yesterday and fixed it with a dpkg -R -overideblah bleh pkgname but i didnt right it down |
| 16:34.58 | yggwork | stew my / was at 100% so i cleaned up.. |
| 16:35.19 | yggwork | had like 15 kenrels |
| 16:35.21 | yggwork | kernels |
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| 16:36.14 | valdyn | bartden: you got to be kidding me |
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| 16:36.27 | valdyn | bartden: are you copying those commands im telling you correctly? |
| 16:36.30 | kados | anyone know if there's a list of the security patches being worked on? |
| 16:36.41 | asg | kados: for what? |
| 16:36.49 | kados | wordpress just released a bunch of security patches |
| 16:36.52 | bartden | yup valdyn |
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| 16:37.10 | kados | and I'm wondering if deb'll have updates soon -- if not I may need to upgrade manually |
| 16:37.18 | stew | kados: i don't believe there is a public list of what is being worked on, only what is done |
| 16:37.19 | asg | kados: well, the security team will be working on the version in sarge soon I expect |
| 16:37.40 | valdyn | bartden: dpkg -S /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2 |
| 16:37.44 | kados | any way I can find out if they are? |
| 16:37.47 | kspath | hq4ever: You really want to see something recent from your MTAs website/maillist/ircchannel/other. |
| 16:38.20 | bartden | when i do env | grep LD i get LD_PRELOAD=/usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2, when i do lsmod, i see that the fglrx module is loaded, so i dont know what im doing wrong |
| 16:38.34 | kspath | hq4ever: Ask yourself if your host dies what will happen? Will it matter? There are many questions like that to consider. |
| 16:38.40 | Chris | hey.. I got kernel v. 2.6.8-2-386 here and wanted to do make menuconfig in the source directory. Unfortunately, it didn't work. I get the following error messages:http://pastebin.com/603659 I just reinstalled the system and probably forgot something for my gcc application..Could you give me a hint? |
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| 16:39.17 | valdyn | bartden: fglrx loaded or not is not even relevant for this |
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| 16:39.34 | valdyn | bartden: anyway what does dpkg -S /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2 tell ? |
| 16:39.35 | bartden | valdyn, the output is at http://users.telenet.be/denotte/dpkg.txt |
| 16:39.40 | stew | Chris: install build-essential |
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| 16:41.36 | Frem | abrotman: ispell doen't do any good and the BTS does not seem to have any relavent bugs less then a year old. |
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| 16:41.45 | abrotman | Frem: are you on stable? |
| 16:41.50 | Frem | yes. |
| 16:42.03 | goron | What package contains fftw3.h? I already tried apt-file search. |
| 16:42.07 | abrotman | sarge was released .. 8 months ago |
| 16:42.16 | abrotman | !find fftw3.h sarge |
| 16:42.18 | hq4ever | kspath: That should not be a problem because the machine will be using redundent PSU + 2 NIC & will sit on a 3 raid5 scsi disks |
| 16:42.29 | valdyn | bartden: this should have made your glxinfo display ATI .. as renderer |
| 16:42.30 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'fftw3.h' (1): (/usr/include/fftw3.h) in libdevel/fftw3-dev. |
| 16:42.42 | abrotman | goron: that was hard :) |
| 16:42.43 | goron | !find fftw3.h sid |
| 16:42.45 | hq4ever | kspath: downtime is crucial but with this setup should be minimal if not null |
| 16:42.53 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'fftw3.h' (2): (/usr/include/fftw3.h) in libdevel/fftw3-dev ;; (/usr/include/vigra/fftw3.hxx) in libdevel/libvigraimpex-dev. |
| 16:42.59 | strider | bartden: LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo |
| 16:43.07 | kspath | hq4ever: Whatever makes you feel secure enough and based on your budget. |
| 16:43.11 | goron | abrotman: My tools are not working? |
| 16:43.17 | abrotman | goron: apt-file update |
| 16:43.29 | abrotman | goron: then try again |
| 16:43.49 | goron | abrotman: I figured that the package would already be quite old. |
| 16:43.57 | goron | abrotman: I must be wrong obviously :) |
| 16:44.05 | bartden | valdyn in the beginning of glxinfo i get some sort of error , perhaps it has something to do with it Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 16:44.05 | bartden | libGL error: XF86DRIQueryDirectRenderingCapable failed |
| 16:44.07 | yggwork | got it guys sodo dpkg -P --force-all... |
| 16:44.08 | yggwork | thanks |
| 16:44.11 | abrotman | goron: maybe it wasn't in sid the day you ran apt-file update |
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| 16:45.12 | javiolo | if I install sarge later I |
| 16:45.20 | abrotman | Frem: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=281325 |
| 16:45.23 | kspath | hq4ever: One host even if with "good" hardware and redundant this and that is far from zero downtime. Solutions are often governed by budget and knowledge and experience. You might get less downtime with only one host due to simplicity of your setup. That is dependent on many many things. |
| 16:45.25 | strider | bartden: did you run m-a? |
| 16:45.31 | javiolo | if I install sarge later I can install the laste |
| 16:45.38 | javiolo | if I install sarge later I can install the lastesta pss |
| 16:45.46 | abrotman | Frem: if you can add more info .. it may help the maintainer debug the issue |
| 16:45.49 | javiolo | damm keyboard |
| 16:45.54 | abrotman | damn user |
| 16:46.03 | hq4ever | damn plant |
| 16:46.16 | valdyn | bartden: put your /var/log/XFree86.0.log ( or /var/log/Xorg.0.log ) online too plz |
| 16:46.17 | hq4ever | damn keyboard |
| 16:46.43 | abrotman | javiolo: want to try again? |
| 16:46.46 | javiolo | if i install sarge later ca n i install the latests apps? |
| 16:46.58 | abrotman | javiolo: with backports .. sure |
| 16:46.59 | javiolo | I mean using repos |
| 16:47.06 | javiolo | ok thnanks |
| 16:47.07 | abrotman | javiolo: but officially .. no |
| 16:47.34 | javiolo | what does it means? no supported ? |
| 16:47.40 | abrotman | right |
| 16:47.49 | abrotman | !tell javiolo about backports |
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| 16:47.59 | Frem | abrotman: What this guy describes is not what I am experiancing... None of the spell check options are greyed out, and it all acts like it's working, but when I run spellcheck, I get a box "spellcheck complete". |
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| 16:48.17 | abrotman | Frem: maybe it's all spelled correctly? |
| 16:48.39 | petemc | experiancing |
| 16:48.46 | bartden | valdyn, yes i have runned module assistant, and i think it installed correctly, Xorg.0.log is located at http://users.telenet.be/denotte/Xorg.0.log |
| 16:48.51 | abrotman | petemc: is that how they teach you to spell in ireland? |
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| 16:49.15 | petemc | abrotman: they dont teach us, we're all too busy picking spuds |
| 16:49.15 | Frem | abrotman: That's what I thought too, until I started randomly banging on the keyboard. It won't catch anything. |
| 16:49.20 | javiolo | abrotman ok so nearly any app can be installed in sarge right ? |
| 16:49.34 | thingfish | javiolo: backports.org packages for firefox and gaim and kernel 2.6.15 haven't given me any problems. you just have to watch what you install from there - there can be some nasty dependency issues that come up. |
| 16:49.40 | abrotman | javiolo: if you work hard enough .. yes |
| 16:50.02 | yggwork | how can i set an appliation to start up after a time of inactivity in console ? |
| 16:50.10 | abrotman | Frem: does spell check work anywhere? |
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| 16:50.23 | Frem | abrotman: I have spellcheck in Opera. |
| 16:50.25 | abrotman | !petemcsmite petemc |
| 16:50.30 | abrotman | Frem: i think that's builtin |
| 16:50.30 | goron | abrotman: yep, out of date. |
| 16:50.32 | petemc | :) |
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| 16:50.49 | abrotman | goron: i told you that! |
| 16:50.58 | goron | abrotman: I know! |
| 16:51.06 | javiolo | agh hard work ? I suposse it was just adding the ports line... |
| 16:51.19 | valdyn | bartden: disable composite in your X config |
| 16:51.57 | abrotman | javiolo: if the backport exists .. yes |
| 16:52.06 | javiolo | ah ok |
| 16:52.09 | valdyn | bartden: cant use composite _and_ 3D accel, only one of both |
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| 16:52.26 | Frem | abrotman: I have spellcheck in Gaim. |
| 16:52.28 | javiolo | btw what do you recommend me sarge or etch ? |
| 16:52.51 | Chris | hmm..make menuconfig asks for "ncurses-devel".. but I don't find any package sizing to this |
| 16:53.04 | thingfish | javiolo: sarge is well supported in here. with etch, you're considered to kind of be on your own. |
| 16:53.15 | vin` | javiolo: since you seem to be after the latest stuff, etch. |
| 16:53.20 | abrotman | chris: libncurses5-dev |
| 16:53.24 | azeem | we try to support etch as well |
| 16:53.33 | thingfish | javiolo: sarge is also stable, in pretty much every meaning of the word. Etch can have bugs. |
| 16:53.40 | thingfish | azeem: ok |
| 16:53.42 | javiolo | I though nearly everyone runs etch |
| 16:53.43 | azeem | but one should probably first try to get along with sarge (+backports, if necessary) |
| 16:53.57 | yggwork | how can i set an appliation to start up after a time of inactivity in console ? |
| 16:54.03 | thingfish | javiolo: not by any means. It's a mix of sarge, etch, and sid users. |
| 16:54.06 | javiolo | I though sarge was only used on servers |
| 16:54.09 | azeem | yggwork: screen might be able to do that, dunno |
| 16:54.12 | bartden | valdyn, should i restart X now to test ? |
| 16:54.17 | valdyn | bartden: yep |
| 16:54.22 | bartden | ok, ill brb |
| 16:54.24 | Chris | abrotman: okay, thanks. :) |
| 16:54.25 | yggwork | azeem i assume it would be something in the bashrc |
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| 16:54.30 | thingfish | javiolo: it makes a fine desktop, as long as your hardare is not too newfangled. |
| 16:54.32 | azeem | yggwork: no |
| 16:54.36 | sorpigal | javiolo: some people still use woody, or even potato |
| 16:54.39 | yggwork | i run etch and im scared as all hell evertime i update |
| 16:54.54 | thingfish | yggwork: that's why I went to sarge. |
| 16:54.56 | abrotman | Frem: i can't find anything ... you could contact the maintainer .. see if he/she has any idea |
| 16:54.59 | yggwork | yea |
| 16:55.00 | javiolo | for desktop i use ubuntu :P |
| 16:55.06 | thingfish | :/ |
| 16:55.15 | azeem | javiolo: so why you're asking? |
| 16:55.19 | Frem | abrotman: ok. Thanks for your help. :-) |
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| 16:55.34 | abrotman | Frem: i'm looking at archived reports |
| 16:55.40 | javiolo | Im planning to install debian on a old lapotp |
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| 16:55.44 | javiolo | laptop |
| 16:55.52 | azeem | javiolo: try sarge first then |
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| 16:56.06 | yggwork | azeem cuz i got a cool program is cmatrix just does like the matrix screen saver and i would like it to start up after 2 minutes becasue the firewall disconnects my ssh session when it sees no activity... a keep alive.. |
| 16:56.06 | azeem | and if it doesn't suit you, use backports or eventually upgrade to etch |
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| 16:56.18 | azeem | javiolo: just keep in mind that you can't downgrade |
| 16:56.26 | abrotman | Frem: wow .. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=abiword;archive=yes .. lots of stuff related to the spell checker |
| 16:56.28 | javiolo | the problem is that the laptop doesnt have ehternet port! |
| 16:56.43 | asg | javiolo: that's why PCMCIA cards are still sold |
| 16:56.44 | bartden | yup valdyn it works, thx man, but what where the two things that cant work togheter, and what is best for use ? |
| 16:56.47 | azeem | yggwork: run ping in a different console then? |
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| 16:57.00 | azeem | yggwork: I don't think bash supports this out of the box |
| 16:57.07 | yggwork | azeem intersting ... |
| 16:57.12 | vin` | javiolo: usb key? |
| 16:57.20 | abrotman | Frem: what if you right click a word and spell check it individually ? |
| 16:57.29 | javiolo | yep it has 2 usb ports |
| 16:57.29 | oracle^ | hi, i have a directory named TMP for example, is there a way to assign a "stickie" chmod to this directory and the sublevels folders/files ? i mean, everythin inside TMP will have permissions : 777 ... |
| 16:57.45 | valdyn | bartden: there's no good use for composite right now |
| 16:58.04 | asg | oracle^: man chmod |
| 16:58.06 | bartden | ah , k thx for the help valdyn |
| 16:58.12 | vin` | javiolo: ignore, I'm confused. |
| 16:58.19 | javiolo | ok |
| 16:58.26 | zinx | yggwork: why not just use ssh's keepalive functionality? |
| 16:58.31 | abrotman | Frem: ? |
| 16:58.40 | valdyn | bartden: google "Compositing Desktop" i guess, it _may_ be nice in a few months, right now its to bugged to be useful |
| 16:58.50 | yggwork | zinx ... ill try it |
| 16:59.00 | Frem | abrotman: I don't even have a spellcheck entry on the right click menu. |
| 16:59.04 | GaiaX11 | #chmod -R will do that |
| 16:59.16 | abrotman | Frem: oh .. maybe you have to highlight a word ? |
| 16:59.19 | bartden | k thx |
| 16:59.24 | Frem | abrotman: tried it both ways. |
| 16:59.43 | abrotman | Frem: hrm .. ok |
| 16:59.52 | FoxAFK | bye |
| 17:00.19 | Frem | abrotman: I can set the dictionary from that menu, though. |
| 17:00.34 | javiolo | I though about updating the motherboard of the laptop but I heard is nearly impossible |
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| 17:00.45 | abrotman | Frem: hrm ok |
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| 17:01.16 | Frem | do you think uninstalling abiword /w all config files then reinstalling would do anything? |
| 17:01.19 | fireba11 | _joey: am back if you need me ;-) |
| 17:01.26 | yggwork | zinx ... is it a switch you put on when you start up an ssh ? |
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| 17:01.49 | zinx | yggwork: you probably want ServerAliveInterval |
| 17:01.58 | zinx | ygg: and yes, you can use a switch to set it |
| 17:02.34 | yggwork | cool dood thatnks |
| 17:02.48 | yggwork | although my matrix console screen saver would have been kind of cool to get running. |
| 17:03.53 | bartden | someone here who knows a program to convert xvid or divx to dvd (with the possibility of adding subtitles) ? |
| 17:04.22 | petemc | bartden: dvd styler |
| 17:04.23 | _joey | fireba11 maybe later tonight :) |
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| 17:04.46 | javiolo | bartden I think ffmpge or os |
| 17:04.57 | javiolo | something like that |
| 17:06.09 | Frem | abrotman: pruge & reinstall didn't do anything. |
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| 17:07.20 | yggwork | zinx is serveraliveinterval=xx is xx seconds ? |
| 17:07.50 | zinx | ygg: man ssh_config :D |
| 17:07.57 | yggwork | hehe |
| 17:08.13 | yggwork | ok thanks thoug hta looks about right. |
| 17:08.26 | yggwork | and here ive been getting logged out for the last 4 months |
| 17:08.26 | yggwork | haha |
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| 17:12.46 | davi_ | What must I do to be able to use a USB Blutouch on sarge ? |
| 17:14.02 | raz0 | davi_, Load the bluetooth modules |
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| 17:16.02 | raz0 | davi, those in /lib/modules/2.x.x.x/kernel/net/bluetooth/ |
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| 17:16.44 | raz0 | Then you install the bluez-utils package, and you're ready. |
| 17:17.01 | kspath | Does anyone know of any good memorization applications? I found 3 KDE related ones and one python-QT one but I was wondering if anyone used anything more generic before that they might recommend. |
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| 17:17.38 | Sonny | hi, can you tell me how to install a gdm theme? |
| 17:17.55 | _joey | fireba11 I've got it going |
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| 17:18.02 | yggwork | ok another newbi problem .. i wantto back up my system .. i just finaly got it where i want to be and i have an external usb hard drive.. whats the best way .. i just have one partition ... / |
| 17:18.09 | kspath | The idea is something like flashcards but it would be best if it could parse multi-word responses to questions. |
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| 17:19.13 | asg | kspath: if nothing like that exists, you could always code your own |
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| 17:19.43 | _joey | has anyone installed azureus on debian ? |
| 17:19.50 | lzhang | can someone help me figure out why dhcpd is not serving on eth1, but it is on eth0? |
| 17:20.03 | kspath | Maybe I should skip that and go to a web interface. I figured if I was going to the trouble of writing up keywords and questions and definitions and answers I might as well share it with others. |
| 17:20.46 | cat | info amsn sarge |
| 17:20.47 | kspath | asg: I might have to. Just fear that I could end up turning it into a massive project just doing development of such a thing. |
| 17:21.00 | lzhang | how does dhcp know which interface to serve on? |
| 17:21.19 | bazboo | kspath: sounds like a rwo page php |
| 17:21.34 | bazboo | two* |
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| 17:22.08 | kspath | asg: There were systems called PLATO and NoveNET and Macromedia had a product that could parse multi-word responses. |
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| 17:22.50 | _joey | has anyone installed azureus on debian ? |
| 17:23.14 | yggwork | newbi problem .. i wantto back up my system .. i just finaly got it where i want to be and i have an external usb hard drive.. whats the best way .. i just have one partition ... / |
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| 17:23.52 | valdyn | !mondo |
| 17:23.52 | dpkg | methinks mondo is a full-featured backup/restore system with support for backup media CDRW, tape, NFS mount, etc - a complete system can be restored from bare metal. |
| 17:23.56 | kspath | bazboo: For simple flash cards you are likely correct. Flash cards are good for memorization of terms like Extent and Disk and Volume but it would be more ideal to require a multi-word reponse and parse/interept it correctly and reply with a true/false yes/no. |
| 17:24.04 | Peizhao | anyone know how to resize the linux file system without damage the content? |
| 17:24.33 | bazboo | kspath: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0262032937/sr=8-1/qid=1142443404/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-3672580-3815133?%5Fencoding=UTF8 |
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| 17:24.52 | bazboo | kspath: you need a book like that to think through the multiword idea |
| 17:24.53 | _joey | god damn it |
| 17:25.04 | asg | Peizhao: it depends on the filesystem. gnu parted is worth a look though |
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| 17:25.19 | Peizhao | my target file system is on flash card as well, now the system only use 128M of 1G, how can I resize it to use the remaining? |
| 17:25.21 | kspath | bazboo: Wow, thanks. I have that book and many others. |
| 17:25.46 | xoz | Peizhao: backup and try parted |
| 17:25.49 | bazboo | kspath: sorry for suggesting something then. just trying to help. |
| 17:25.57 | kspath | bazboo: I was simply wondering if something like it existed so I could use it or even help its development. |
| 17:26.11 | valdyn | _joey: apt-get install azureus ? |
| 17:26.21 | kspath | bazboo: That was not bad advice. It is a decent book. |
| 17:26.36 | bazboo | valdyn: got to have contrib / non-free; azureus depends on java |
| 17:26.41 | yggwork | valdyn thatnks |
| 17:26.43 | Peizhao | how to do it? how can I use the command |
| 17:26.52 | fluxdude | I'm trying to add in DNS SRV records into Bind to allow clients to find a M$ Active Directory domain. |
| 17:26.53 | fluxdude | If I add these 4 records will it be enough, see http://pastebin.com/603751 |
| 17:27.01 | asg | Peizhao: apt-get install parted ; man parted |
| 17:27.15 | valdyn | yggwork: mind, mondo is exactly for backing up your ( supposedly rarely changing ) system, its not useful for incremental backups |
| 17:27.26 | yggwork | valdyn thats fine |
| 17:27.37 | yggwork | im at a point that would be good to return to . |
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| 17:27.44 | yggwork | its my home theater pc |
| 17:27.46 | bazboo | valdyn: it's more of an imaging tool |
| 17:27.59 | _joey | valdyn it's missing swt library |
| 17:28.06 | _joey | or some other dependency |
| 17:28.14 | Peizhao | I don't know which to use, could you just quickly give me some direction |
| 17:28.16 | valdyn | _joey: just use what they offer on azureus.sourceforge.net then |
| 17:28.29 | valdyn | _joey: azureus is _not_ a good software to be packaged in debian anyway |
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| 17:28.57 | valdyn | _joey: what you need to install extra is suns java ( /msg dpkg java-package ) |
| 17:29.08 | Quibus | Yelp! I can't boot my system anymore :( |
| 17:29.08 | bazboo | kspath: i am finding that there are some things available |
| 17:29.23 | _joey | valdyn i have installed java |
| 17:29.31 | Quibus | It kernel panics with "RAMDISK: Couldn't find a valid RAM disk image starting at 0" |
| 17:29.43 | _joey | and azureus is an excellet piece of software, it's you who's on crack |
| 17:29.47 | Quibus | etc. |
| 17:29.53 | javiolo | anyone has built a pc here ? Id like some info to build a local server |
| 17:29.56 | valdyn | _joey: i didnt mean or say it was bad software |
| 17:30.06 | valdyn | _joey: its just not suitable to be packaged in debian |
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| 17:30.46 | _joey | why ? |
| 17:30.49 | Quibus | Can someone please help me? My system has become unusable :(( |
| 17:31.06 | bazboo | kspath: take a look at 'machine translation' and 'natural language processing' along with 'open source' |
| 17:31.12 | valdyn | _joey: because it has its own upgrade mechanism that cant be integrated into debians package management |
| 17:31.16 | _joey | debian is linux and java is officially supported on linux platforms |
| 17:31.19 | valdyn | _joey: so, its best installed by users |
| 17:31.32 | kspath | bazboo: Yeah, I was searching for NL parsing. |
| 17:31.37 | cat | Quibus: huh? |
| 17:31.38 | valdyn | _joey: ( and not by root, as package management would imply ) |
| 17:31.47 | kspath | bazboo: Thanks I will combine those. Thank you very much. |
| 17:31.57 | bazboo | kspath: http://www.codeproject.com/csharp/englishparsing.asp shows how to do it in C# with OpenNLP |
| 17:32.10 | vin` | Quibus: how did it end up in that state? |
| 17:32.20 | bazboo | kspath: C# might not be a bad choice for this job if it's got the right library bindings |
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| 17:32.33 | bazboo | kspath: it seems like it could be a pretty high level job |
| 17:32.41 | Quibus | vin`: I think again because of an upgrade of initramfstools |
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| 17:34.26 | vin` | Quibus: checked bts? |
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| 17:34.32 | Quibus | I suppose I need to regenerate the initrd image |
| 17:34.38 | Quibus | But I don't know how to do that |
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| 17:34.55 | Quibus | Use chroot or so? |
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| 17:35.47 | valdyn | Quibus: dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-foo ( or kernel-image-foo ) |
| 17:36.03 | kspath | bazboo: I am trying to stay away crom C# for many reasons. Thank you though. |
| 17:36.10 | Quibus | valdyn: yes, but how to proceed if the system isn't bootable anymore (I'm now using an old Knoppix cd) |
| 17:36.26 | valdyn | Quibus: chroot is the way to go then.. |
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| 17:36.33 | Quibus | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354458 |
| 17:36.43 | Quibus | valdyn: can you guide me through it? |
| 17:36.46 | bazboo | kspath: how come? |
| 17:36.50 | valdyn | Quibus: mount the partition somewhere, chroot /path/to/mountpoint, run the dpkg-reconfigure magic |
| 17:37.06 | kspath | bazboo: I found OpenNLP and some other things. Thank you. If only I had included open source in my other searches. |
| 17:37.25 | Quibus | valdyn: my system is devided into several partitions... So, /usr/ is on another partition than the / partition |
| 17:37.51 | valdyn | Quibus: you can mount all those partitions ( / first and /usr inside it ) |
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| 17:38.18 | GutterPunk | I installed Debian with the complete DVD set (the usb nic doesn't get detected on the install cd's). The point was to install the 2.6.8 kernel image, and maybe that would make it work... But now I get thes weird "hdc: lost interrupt" errors |
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| 17:38.40 | GutterPunk | And my system won't boot |
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| 17:39.15 | azeem | GutterPunk: how old is that harddisk? |
| 17:39.16 | meriad | how do I check what the maxfilesize allowd on my system is? |
| 17:39.24 | azeem | GutterPunk: can you access it fine from e.g. a LiveCD? |
| 17:39.25 | GutterPunk | I guess this explains why I can't install with the linux26 boot parameter |
| 17:39.29 | bazboo | kspath: yes, it's a non-obvious search term that does a lot of good for me when i can be bothered to remember to search with it, heh |
| 17:39.32 | GutterPunk | Yep, sure |
| 17:39.34 | valdyn | meriad: why do you care? |
| 17:39.46 | meriad | valdyn- 4gb? |
| 17:39.48 | GutterPunk | This definately is something with the debian kernel on this machine |
| 17:39.50 | azeem | GutterPunk: how is the harddisk connected? SATA? |
| 17:39.53 | meriad | valdyn- i have a huge data base that takes up alot of space |
| 17:39.54 | Quibus | valdyn: as in: cd /mnt/hda6; sudo mount /dev/hda7 usr |
| 17:39.55 | Quibus | ? |
| 17:40.00 | GutterPunk | azeem, it's a laptop hard drive |
| 17:40.04 | GutterPunk | ide |
| 17:40.07 | meriad | valdyn- and its complaining abuot not being able to create new entries cause the database is full |
| 17:40.11 | azeem | hrm |
| 17:40.12 | valdyn | meriad: yes, if you are not using vfat or an ancient linux system |
| 17:40.14 | meriad | valdyn- this is typical behvaior of filesie liits |
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| 17:40.26 | meriad | in databases |
| 17:40.47 | _joey | fireba11 are you around ? |
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| 17:40.59 | beefcake | hello people |
| 17:41.07 | beefcake | can someone tell me how to check what filesystem im using? |
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| 17:41.17 | azeem | beefcake: mount |
| 17:41.19 | moshii | beefcake: mount |
| 17:41.27 | beefcake | tx |
| 17:41.50 | yggwork | moshii whats up doo |
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| 17:42.00 | yggwork | d |
| 17:42.06 | GutterPunk | There's two things that absolutely don't work for me when trying to install debian, the USB nic, and the loading of the ide-disk module for some freak reason. When using ubuntu for example, install works fine. Going through a lot of trouble to get debian :) |
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| 17:42.25 | moshii | yggwork: not much, killing my ears with dumb and bass to block out my housemates |
| 17:42.28 | valdyn | !doesn't work |
| 17:42.28 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 17:42.30 | azeem | GutterPunk: did you try etch Beta 2? |
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| 17:42.35 | GutterPunk | azeem, yep |
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| 17:42.41 | GutterPunk | errm, a beta at least |
| 17:42.42 | yggwork | hah yea sounds like a good night |
| 17:42.42 | azeem | GutterPunk: same issue? |
| 17:42.48 | oxigen | i just mounted iso file in dir/iso. can i install iso installer on the other disk from there, and how? |
| 17:42.48 | GutterPunk | I just burned a daily build |
| 17:42.49 | azeem | GutterPunk: it got out today |
| 17:42.56 | azeem | GutterPunk: how old is your notebook? |
| 17:43.03 | yggwork | moshii that worked great last night thanks for the help |
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| 17:43.08 | valdyn | oxigen: you cant write to an iso filesystem |
| 17:43.08 | GutterPunk | azeem, well, the network card still doesn't get detected... and there are no full dvd's available |
| 17:43.15 | bazboo | GutterPunk: what happened to it |
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| 17:43.22 | GutterPunk | azeem, bout 3 years, still pretty current though |
| 17:43.38 | Quibus | valdyn: trouble :() |
| 17:43.39 | azeem | GutterPunk: does the NIC work on Ubuntu? |
| 17:43.40 | kspath | bazboo: Once you know the keyword it is amazing what pops out. NLP perl or NLP python or ... |
| 17:43.45 | moshii | yggwork: no problem |
| 17:43.48 | asg | GutterPunk: you might also see if tuxmobile.org has info on your model and issues with Debian. |
| 17:43.50 | Quibus | Failed to find suitable ramdisk generation tool for kernel version |
| 17:43.51 | Quibus | 2.6.15-1-k7 on running kernel 2.4.20-xfs in mkinitramfs-kpkg mkinitrd.yaird |
| 17:43.51 | GutterPunk | azeem, yep, no trouble |
| 17:43.59 | azeem | GutterPunk: check which module it uses then maybe |
| 17:44.03 | azeem | and load that on etch |
| 17:44.09 | valdyn | Quibus: apt-get install yaird |
| 17:44.10 | GutterPunk | asg, I'll check that out |
| 17:44.14 | azeem | I see no reason why it shouldn't work |
| 17:44.15 | oxigen | valdyn: so there is no way arount but burning cd? |
| 17:44.16 | GutterPunk | azeem, usbnet usually |
| 17:44.20 | Quibus | valdyn: but I'm normally using initramfstools |
| 17:44.23 | GutterPunk | well, always :) |
| 17:44.31 | azeem | GutterPunk: you can download the first ISO for etch Beta 2 I guess |
| 17:44.35 | azeem | that should get you started |
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| 17:44.40 | Quibus | valdyn: which are installed, according to dpkg |
| 17:44.43 | valdyn | oxigen: mkisofs can generate an iso fs, but mounted iso filesystems cant be written to |
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| 17:45.11 | GutterPunk | I tried modprobing usbnet to no avail :) well euhm, I DO get an interface in ifconfig. But link encap says UNSPEC and I get a really weird mac adres (twice as long, last part all zeroes) |
| 17:45.13 | Quibus | valdyn: how about: update-initramfs -t -u -k 2.6.15-1-k7 |
| 17:45.21 | GutterPunk | azeem, I will do that now |
| 17:45.25 | GutterPunk | I hope that works |
| 17:45.43 | azeem | GutterPunk: the Beta 2 uses 2.6.15 so it might be less trouble now |
| 17:45.52 | GutterPunk | Using debian on this testing computer and it's just great |
| 17:45.57 | yggwork | moshii what were you syaing last night about backing up ? your method vs mondo ? |
| 17:46.04 | oxigen | valdyn: thank you, but how can some people install it from flash rom? |
| 17:46.08 | GutterPunk | azeem, if they changed the config a bit maybe |
| 17:46.40 | moshii | yggwork: if you use dd you can take a complete image of the drive and put it back as it was if it goes wrong, but you need another drive to dd to |
| 17:46.57 | yggwork | moshii well that usb drive worked out nicely |
| 17:47.02 | yggwork | pretty quick too |
| 17:48.40 | moshii | yggwork: that's cool, these dbox things have a 200mhz ppc or something so they can do a lot, but only a couple megs of flash :( |
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| 17:49.09 | yggwork | oh yea this box is awesome 1.7 iwth 1.2gb of ram |
| 17:49.14 | yggwork | andn and ive got like 3 hds on it |
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| 17:49.32 | moshii | yggwork: get mame going on it next |
| 17:49.57 | yggwork | hmm yea |
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| 17:50.06 | yggwork | im sure that woudl take me about 10 seconds |
| 17:50.15 | yggwork | moshii can i msg you? |
| 17:50.19 | moshii | sure |
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| 17:53.37 | fndude | hiya, I am about to build a xeon64emt server and I wish to use debian. From what I read the ARCH of amd64 and this processor is nearly the same, is this correct? What debian-distro will best suit my needs? |
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| 17:53.50 | Sonny | Hello, I dont know if its just my idea... but I think that my laptop's battery lasts shorter in Linux than in Winbug.... could be any issue here? |
| 17:54.29 | azeem | Sonny: which notebook |
| 17:54.37 | bazboo | kspath: hehe keywords are like that |
| 17:54.49 | Sonny | azeem: Toshiba Satellite A75-S229 |
| 17:55.07 | bazboo | kspath: if you are a CS nut you can learn how to do anything you know the acronym for, and nothing you don'y :-) |
| 17:55.10 | azeem | Sonny: does it support CPU frequency throttleing |
| 17:55.11 | azeem | ? |
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| 17:55.19 | azeem | Sonny: if so, are you using it? |
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| 17:55.21 | bazboo | don't* |
| 17:55.49 | Sonny | azem: do you mean HyperTreading (HT)? |
| 17:55.52 | LSorensen | Sonny: are you running acpi? |
| 17:56.06 | Sonny | LSorensen: yep |
| 17:56.07 | LSorensen | Sonny: without power management enabled it will use a lot more pwoer |
| 17:56.18 | LSorensen | Sonny: and that means with full cpu frequency scaling and such |
| 17:56.21 | Sonny | LSorensen: acpi and acpid |
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| 17:56.54 | bazboo | LSorensen: no power management? roll out the portable nuclear plant |
| 17:56.54 | LSorensen | Sonny: and of course it needs a not buggy bios that enables acpi properly even for non windows :) |
| 17:57.11 | bazboo | LSorensen: or a hacked to shit DSDT like on my laptop |
| 17:57.30 | LSorensen | bazboo: or booting with acpi_os_name="Microsoft Windows XP" or whatever it is |
| 17:57.42 | Sonny | I have HT enabled and use an smp kernel |
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| 17:57.56 | LSorensen | Sonny: oh it's a p4? |
| 17:58.06 | LSorensen | Sonny: what idiot puts that toaster in a laptop? |
| 17:58.33 | Sonny | lol |
| 17:59.01 | Sonny | LSorensen: its supposed to lasts 2 hours... but in linux it lasts 1 hour |
| 17:59.03 | LSorensen | Sonny: the p4 isn't a particularly good desktop cpu. It has never been a mobile cpu. Only gaming laptops that never expect to actually run off baterry would use a p4. |
| 17:59.17 | Sonny | :( |
| 17:59.17 | bazboo | LSorensen: gaming laptop |
| 17:59.27 | LSorensen | Sonny: go find out if you have cpu frequency scaling enabled and running., without it you won't get much runtime |
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| 17:59.32 | bazboo | LSorensen: nm, beat me to it, hehe |
| 17:59.39 | emi | hola |
| 17:59.42 | chealer | when I # dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg; with xserver-xorg 6.9.0.dfsg.1-4, under one of my Etch boxes, I am not prompted about the video driver to use. I'm really confused as I have done that hundreds of time. why would I not be prompted and what should I do to be prompted? |
| 17:59.43 | davi_ | thanks raz0 for the Blotouch tip |
| 17:59.53 | LSorensen | Sonny: and of course a pentium M will still smoke you an most games. :) |
| 18:00.00 | LSorensen | Sonny: while using 1/4 the power |
| 18:00.12 | Sonny | how can I find out about the cpu scaling? |
| 18:00.21 | LSorensen | Sonny: the athlon 64 mobile will do it while using /12 the power |
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| 18:00.39 | LSorensen | Sonny: apt-cache search cpufreq |
| 18:00.54 | bazboo | LSorensen: alienware makes an opteron laptop, heh |
| 18:01.22 | LSorensen | bazboo: they also have fx60 laptops. Now that's nice. |
| 18:01.38 | bazboo | I bet the Opteron HE low-power chip would wtfpwn in a laptop if you had a BIOS setting to underclock it a lot and cut the power consumption until you need it. |
| 18:01.39 | raz0 | davi, np |
| 18:01.44 | Sonny | theres a cpufreqd pkg that I dont have installed |
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| 18:01.59 | LSorensen | bazboo: I think the opteron supports powernow. |
| 18:02.02 | bazboo | Watt's the power consumption of a typical laptop chip? Opteron HE takes 35. |
| 18:02.10 | bazboo | LSorensen: yeah, i think so |
| 18:02.10 | LSorensen | Sonny: and the right kernel modules need to be loaded |
| 18:02.22 | LSorensen | bazboo: they are rather popular in blades for a reason |
| 18:02.34 | LSorensen | bazboo: you can't cram 2 or 4 dualcore intel's into a blad and get away with it |
| 18:02.39 | LSorensen | er blade |
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| 18:02.44 | Sonny | LSorensen: So I have to install cpufreqd ? |
| 18:02.52 | kspath | bazboo: Try to get the Opeterons with the largest caches if you can. |
| 18:02.53 | bazboo | LSorensen: yeah Intel has been getting bitched out for power consumption lately. |
| 18:03.13 | weasel00 | bazboo : will your hp discount cover this?? http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS5812502455.html |
| 18:03.15 | bazboo | kspath: I did not realize one had a choice of cache size? |
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| 18:03.37 | kspath | bazboo: I am not sure if you will have such a choice with HP. |
| 18:04.32 | LSorensen | Sonny: I think so. unless there is a cpufreq_acpi module that lets acpi handle it |
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| 18:04.42 | bazboo | weasel00: even if it did, i probably wouldn't buy such a thing. more ways for people to contact me when i don't feel like being contacted |
| 18:04.57 | Sonny | LSorensen: theres another cpudyn pkg |
| 18:05.15 | LSorensen | Sonny: I think that is an older method. Not sure that one is as active any more |
| 18:05.23 | abrotman | MHALL! |
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| 18:05.41 | LSorensen | Sonny: could try them all and see |
| 18:05.46 | bnoji | I'm getting this message whenever I try to do anything on the shell: -bash: fork: Resource temporarily unavailable |
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| 18:06.10 | bnoji | Started a few days ago and a reboot didnt solve it (cant even shutdown remotely) |
| 18:06.13 | LSorensen | Sonny: cpufreqd sound like a better option |
| 18:06.38 | LSorensen | bnoji: sound like the system is out of process handles, or the user has hit the limit set on them with ulimit |
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| 18:06.46 | Sonny | LSorensen: could you see the description of the pkgs? to recommend me one? |
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| 18:06.57 | LSorensen | Sonny: I would think cpufreq is the one to try |
| 18:07.01 | Quibus | valdyn: are you still here? |
| 18:07.06 | bnoji | LSorensen: I just rebooted 2 days ago |
| 18:07.26 | bnoji | this machine usually sits a few months without needing a reboot |
| 18:07.29 | mark__ | hi there! I've got no sound when trying to play flash animations. My question is: WHY? there are no other servers or programs blocking my audio device |
| 18:07.33 | bazboo | LSorensen: cpudyn looks decent from its package desc, and possibly simpler to configure |
| 18:07.36 | LSorensen | bnoji: well maybe you have a run away task forking |
| 18:07.43 | bnoji | LSorensen: any way to force a shutdown by changing runlevels? |
| 18:07.46 | LSorensen | bazboo: cpufreqd sound better though |
| 18:07.55 | abrotman | mark__: do you have the OSS emulation things loaded? |
| 18:07.57 | LSorensen | bnoji: not sure. doing anything requires starting a process |
| 18:07.59 | bnoji | I dont have access to the power switch until 6pm |
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| 18:08.08 | LSorensen | bnoji: can you even run ps? |
| 18:08.13 | bnoji | LSorensen: nope. |
| 18:08.15 | bnoji | nothing |
| 18:08.25 | mark__ | abrotman i've enebled oss emulationa as a kernel module, that's all i know |
| 18:08.25 | bnoji | arcanum:~# ps |
| 18:08.26 | bnoji | -bash: fork: Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 18:08.26 | lsald_ | how can i change the console resolution? it's too big with this flat panel, i have tried adding vga=ask to menu.1st |
| 18:08.28 | LSorensen | bnoji: can you login as another user? |
| 18:08.33 | bnoji | LSorensen: only root |
| 18:08.35 | abrotman | mark__: did you raise the levels? |
| 18:08.42 | LSorensen | bnoji: so root can log in? |
| 18:08.46 | LSorensen | bnoji: can root run ps? |
| 18:08.51 | bnoji | LSorensen: yes, but i can only have one SSH running at a time |
| 18:08.58 | mark__ | abrotman yeah, of course |
| 18:09.07 | bnoji | if im connected over SSH as root, i get a connection refused if i try to connect again |
| 18:09.09 | LSorensen | bnoji: well if root can login and run ps, then maybe it is a ulimit on your normal user that is set too low |
| 18:09.20 | bnoji | LSorensen: root is the only user that can login, and i still cant do anything |
| 18:09.22 | LSorensen | bnoji: sounds like a silly setup for ssh |
| 18:09.30 | bazboo | LSorensen: disable framebuffer |
| 18:09.34 | LSorensen | bnoji: oh if root can't do anything, something must be out |
| 18:09.35 | bnoji | LSorensen: its not the setup, its not able to fork |
| 18:09.41 | Quibus | Even after doing an update-initramfs I get a kernel panic :( |
| 18:09.43 | bnoji | it can only handle one connection at a time |
| 18:09.46 | bazboo | ack damn it, nick complete is t3h b0rk |
| 18:09.59 | LSorensen | bnoji: well forking requires free process ids and ram and such |
| 18:10.04 | bnoji | right. |
| 18:10.16 | lsald_ | bazboo, that is what i thought i'd have to do... but i have no idea where to pass that option.. |
| 18:10.16 | LSorensen | bnoji: hmm. |
| 18:10.17 | bnoji | i just dont understand how, from a clean reboot, it goes to this immediately |
| 18:10.30 | LSorensen | bnoji: did you upgrade anything recently? |
| 18:10.34 | bnoji | (havent changed anything in months) |
| 18:10.34 | LSorensen | bnoji: bad kernel? |
| 18:10.36 | bazboo | lsald_: debian installer or what? |
| 18:10.42 | abrotman | mark__: see if #alsa has any bright ideas |
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| 18:10.45 | LSorensen | bnoji: well somtehing must be eating processes like crazy |
| 18:10.46 | kspath | bazboo: I could swear I saw an opteron listed somewhere with 2MB cache per core in a dual core and a single core with a 2MB cache |
| 18:10.48 | LSorensen | bnoji: x running? |
| 18:10.52 | bnoji | LSorensen: this box has been running the same LAMP stuff for over a year |
| 18:11.01 | bazboo | kspath: hmm i'll look for a minute |
| 18:11.08 | bnoji | LSorensen: no X, just apache, mysql, a few snmp monitors and thats about it |
| 18:11.12 | zinx | kspath: that is a lot of L1, right there |
| 18:11.19 | zinx | kspath: how much does that thing cost? |
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| 18:11.30 | lsald_ | bazboo, not for the installer, for day to day use, when i leave x the console is in a ghastly 640x480 size |
| 18:11.32 | LSorensen | bnoji: well if you can run ps quickly after booting before it's dead, maybe you can see which process if any is replicating like crazy |
| 18:11.38 | Sonny | LSorensen: now how can I know is cpu scaling is working? |
| 18:11.41 | Quibus | anyone here who knows some stuff about initrd?? |
| 18:11.49 | bnoji | LSorensen: its ok, this machine is a P200 (64MB), needs replacing soon anyway |
| 18:11.55 | LSorensen | Sonny: I think there is a place in /sys that shows the current cpu frequency |
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| 18:12.00 | kspath | zinx: That is lvl2 cache the lvl1 is only 64 or 128K mostly |
| 18:12.07 | bazboo | kspath: check this shit out |
| 18:12.10 | bazboo | kspath: http://www.amdcompare.com/us%2Den/opteron/Default.aspx |
| 18:12.38 | bazboo | lsald_: oh, i thought you were experiencing this hideous problem i had where my LCD only showed half the console during install |
| 18:12.49 | bazboo | lsald_: in your case, you need to do the opposite of me |
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| 18:12.53 | zinx | kspath: oh, right :x |
| 18:13.06 | bazboo | lsald_: you need to enable the kernel framebuffer and set it to the correct res for your LCD |
| 18:13.19 | kspath | bazboo: That is awesome. |
| 18:13.29 | bnoji | LSorensen: I think "kill" is built into bash, which is already running. |
| 18:13.33 | bazboo | kspath: you can select 2M cache and get matching opterons |
| 18:13.42 | bnoji | I should be able to kill a process if i could find the pid |
| 18:13.48 | lsald_ | bazboo, i tried fbset |
| 18:14.06 | kspath | bazboo: The question is can you get such procs via HP |
| 18:14.07 | Silent_al | hi , what does "hostmask" means in ircd? |
| 18:14.12 | bazboo | kspath: from what i see it only shows up on the dualcore |
| 18:14.24 | bazboo | kspath: all the 2M cache are dualcore chips |
| 18:14.28 | LSorensen | bnoji: maybe |
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| 18:14.50 | LSorensen | bnoji: I think if you are out, you should have a good chance of hitting one in the first couple thousand ids :) |
| 18:14.51 | bnoji | Now i just need to find the rogue process and get its ID without starting a new process. |
| 18:15.14 | kspath | bazboo: than it is a confusion 1MB cache + 1MB cache = 2MB cache that only give 1MB cache per core |
| 18:15.22 | GutterPunk | azeem, just to let you know... same problem with Etch Beta2 |
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| 18:15.30 | azeem | :( |
| 18:15.32 | GutterPunk | This is frustrating |
| 18:15.36 | bazboo | kspath: yeah sadly it doesn't seem to appear for single core from what i can see |
| 18:15.36 | azeem | GutterPunk: the harddisk? |
| 18:15.42 | GutterPunk | nope, the NIC |
| 18:15.47 | azeem | ah |
| 18:15.48 | bazboo | kspath: could you double check to make sure i did not goof it up |
| 18:15.55 | azeem | anything in the log? |
| 18:15.58 | GutterPunk | it's usually the nic, the HD problem was new :) |
| 18:16.02 | azeem | or dmesg? |
| 18:16.05 | bnoji | Well, killing 10 processes didnt help. |
| 18:16.10 | GutterPunk | gonna check |
| 18:16.16 | bnoji | Im about to kill every pid from 0 to 10k |
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| 18:16.28 | Quibus | Can someone help me? I have an unbootable system |
| 18:16.31 | bazboo | bnoji: zOMGWTFBBQ |
| 18:16.39 | bazboo | !tell Quibus about ask |
| 18:16.48 | Quibus | bazboo: I already asked |
| 18:17.27 | kookaburra | just saying that you have an unbootable system doesn't tell anyone anything really. |
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| 18:17.31 | Woody^working | Where does ubuntu has its configuration file for /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 18:17.43 | chealer | Woody^working: ask its support channel |
| 18:17.44 | azeem | Woody^working: please ask in #ubuntu |
| 18:17.49 | kookaburra | what are some details behind this unbootable system of yours. |
| 18:17.53 | Woody^working | fu, it is same anyway :( |
| 18:17.56 | Woody^working | thanks |
| 18:18.18 | kookaburra | ubuntu users are freaking idiots. |
| 18:18.22 | Gnea | Quibus: you're going to have to ask the overall detailed question, again, since no one that's here now got it |
| 18:18.28 | azeem | kookaburra: you're off topic |
| 18:18.29 | chealer | kookaburra: please stop that |
| 18:18.36 | GutterPunk | azeem, now that I check dmesg, the weird eth0 device is there because it's my firewire which gets set up as eth0 apparently. Now I'm wondering why modprobing usbnet won't give me my interface |
| 18:18.45 | Gnea | !tell kookaburra about ubuntu |
| 18:18.52 | Quibus | Can someone help me? I have an unbootable system: I get a kernel panic after upgrading initramfstools |
| 18:19.07 | Gnea | !tell Quibus -about ask |
| 18:19.07 | Quibus | Couldn't find a valid RAM disk image starting at 0 |
| 18:19.20 | azeem | Quibus: the initrd doesn't have a driver for your ide? |
| 18:19.35 | Quibus | azeem: it worked before upgrading that initramfs-tools package |
| 18:19.47 | azeem | Quibus: if you're on unstable, file a bug or check BTS |
| 18:19.53 | Quibus | azeem: I tried dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-*, but that didn't work |
| 18:19.56 | Gnea | Quibus: what kind of system is it? what kind of hard drives? is there a cdrom? what branch is it: sarge, etch, sid? what kernel are you using? |
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| 18:20.04 | Quibus | azeem - it's the same as http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354458 |
| 18:20.10 | azeem | Quibus: eh |
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| 18:20.24 | azeem | Quibus: so either wait till it's fixed, or see whether it contains a workaround? |
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| 18:20.37 | Quibus | azeem: I tried the work around, but it seems to fail |
| 18:20.48 | Gnea | Quibus: so wait, you're asking us about a problem that's already been acknowledged? |
| 18:20.53 | Quibus | azeem: the point is that the initrd image isn't updated after installing the new initramfstools or something |
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| 18:25.09 | bazboo | Silent_al: you aren't very silent |
| 18:25.19 | azeem | Gnea: "reinstall" is not helpful |
| 18:25.19 | bazboo | !kill Silent_al |
| 18:25.23 | Silent_al | !lart bazboo |
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| 18:25.24 | Silent_al | :P |
| 18:25.26 | azeem | bazboo: stop abusing the bot |
| 18:25.28 | azeem | Silent_al: you too |
| 18:25.32 | bazboo | Silent_al: dead men tell no tales, nor do they scroll the channel |
| 18:26.27 | Gnea | azeem: welp, i don't use etch, i use sarge and sid, so naturally, i'm being very helpful - if the bug has already been fixed and he can't fix it based upon what that webpage says, then i don't know what the problem is. |
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| 18:26.49 | azeem | Gnea: so stop telling him to reinstall or update to sid |
| 18:27.05 | Quibus | azeem - aptitude dies when I'm doing an 'update' in the chroot env on my harddrive |
| 18:27.10 | azeem | Quibus: how? |
| 18:27.13 | Gnea | azeem: stop telling me what to do and i just might consider it. |
| 18:27.25 | Quibus | 99% [8 Packages bzip2 786432] [10 Packages 1152/41.0kB 2%] 164kB/s 0sFATAL -> Could not set non-blocking flag Bad file descriptor |
| 18:27.25 | Quibus | E0x: Method http has died unexpectedly! |
| 18:27.39 | azeem | Quibus: this looks like hardware issues to me |
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| 18:28.05 | d4rkl0rd | hello men, can anybody help me with hlds on linux? |
| 18:28.06 | Quibus | azeem - well, I had this issue also a week ago, and it got solved because the kernel was reinstalled (new version) |
| 18:28.25 | Gnea | !tell d4rkl0rd about ask |
| 18:28.26 | Quibus | azeem - when I do a dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-* I get this error: |
| 18:28.29 | Gnea | d4rkl0rd: hlds? |
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| 18:29.04 | SimonRaven | d4rkl0rd: not just men in here |
| 18:29.08 | Quibus | Failed to find suitable ramdisk generation tool for kernel version |
| 18:29.08 | Quibus | 2.6.15-1-k7 on running kernel 2.4.20-xfs in mkinitramfs-kpkg mkinitrd.yaird |
| 18:29.32 | azeem | Quibus: did you try with yaird? |
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| 18:29.37 | d4rkl0rd | Gnea: sorry ;) but do you can help me with that cs server? |
| 18:29.44 | JPX | does anyone know what's happening to linuxquestions.org? I can't seem to logon. Is the site is down? |
| 18:29.58 | Quibus | azeem - I don't have it installed. BUt can I just use yaird while I normally use initramfs? |
| 18:29.59 | Gnea | !troll d4rkl0rd |
| 18:30.11 | azeem | Quibus: you can use either I think |
| 18:30.23 | azeem | d4rkl0rd: do you have a question about Debian? |
| 18:30.39 | asg | JPX: "There seems to have been a problem with the database." from the front page |
| 18:30.41 | Quibus | azeem: OK, I installed yaird |
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| 18:30.48 | Quibus | azeem: some errors though |
| 18:30.57 | Quibus | but it seems to work |
| 18:31.12 | d4rkl0rd | azeem: about debian, because on other distros it runs without problems...and of course on the same hardware |
| 18:31.13 | jerome | I have some problems to get sid's mod_auth_ldap working (apache2), I was wondering if someone there got it working recently ? Maybe there is some tricky mod_auth config to do |
| 18:31.15 | JPX | asg: indeed. |
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| 18:31.28 | Quibus | azeem: after installing yaird, it still complains |
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| 18:31.53 | Quibus | azeem: maybe it's a problem that I'm running kernel 2.4.20 from this old Knoppix cd? |
| 18:32.11 | Gnea | knoppix.... |
| 18:32.16 | Gnea | i knew something was wrong. |
| 18:32.17 | Woody^working | What is the module name for "usb hid"? |
| 18:32.28 | asg | Woody^working: usbhid |
| 18:32.40 | Gnea | Woody^working: what kernel version? |
| 18:32.52 | azeem | Quibus: I am not sure you can properly create an initrd in a chroot |
| 18:33.18 | azeem | d4rkl0rd: you haven't really explained your problem yet |
| 18:33.32 | omry | hi, all the sudden my xorg server wont start, it complains about mismatch of xserver api with nvidia module. I tried to reinstall the module using the one-liner but it didn't work. can anyone help? |
| 18:33.50 | baroni | Hi all. Does anybody has a tv card pinnacle pctv stereo, and has got to do the remote control to work ? |
| 18:33.51 | Gnea | omry: what branch are you using? |
| 18:33.59 | omry | Gnea, etch. |
| 18:34.08 | omry | with my own kernel (2.6.15) |
| 18:34.43 | FlimFlamMan | on debian-sarge, with CIFS directories mounted, i occasionally get this: CIFS VFS: No response buffer - anyone aware of this? is there a fix? |
| 18:34.45 | Gnea | omry: seems like a lot of problems with etch today - did you upgrade this morning? |
| 18:34.59 | debiankid | hello in there an option to use viruswall on debian ? |
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| 18:35.15 | asg | debiankid: the Trend product? |
| 18:35.17 | FlimFlamMan | CIFS VFS: No response buffer <-- occurs many times in dmesg |
| 18:35.22 | d4rkl0rd | azeem: so, my hw (amd k6-2 550,384MB RAM...and sarge, kernel 2.6.15.3, when i am running hlds, it dont start with error message which says sth about unknown instruction |
| 18:35.35 | d4rkl0rd | azeem: but on woody it was ok |
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| 18:35.36 | omry | Gnea ,not this morning. the problem started last night (about 16 hours ago). in fact, I got related problems on two diffenrt machines, one nvidia and one ati. but lets kill one problem at a time. |
| 18:35.36 | azeem | Quibus: you need a 2.6 kernel running to make a proper initrd in the chroot |
| 18:35.43 | lazzarello | I'm using apt-proxy to download packages from etch, how can I either generate a GPG key for it or turn off verification in APT? |
| 18:36.02 | Quibus | azeem: I thought so... I suppose I could try to burn a new Knoppix cd from this old one |
| 18:36.05 | omry | lazzarello apt-key |
| 18:36.21 | lazzarello | omry: apt-key on the proxy server, or the client? |
| 18:36.35 | omry | lazzarello, on the client. works fine for me. (with apt-proxy) |
| 18:36.40 | azeem | d4rkl0rd: what is hlds? |
| 18:37.01 | Gnea | omry: sounds good, how did you install thte nvidia drivers initially? |
| 18:37.04 | lazzarello | omry: thanks. I thought the proxy might need to verify packages too...guess not. |
| 18:37.09 | Gnea | omry: using the one-liner? |
| 18:37.22 | Gnea | omry: nm, you already said that....i'm dumb |
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| 18:37.42 | omry | Gnea, yes. but actually when I tried it now, it installed the wrong modules (for stock 2.6.15) |
| 18:37.42 | d4rkl0rd | azeem: half life dedicated server....i have read many forums etc, but nobody knows....another try was to run it on other kernel but no change...just unknown instruction |
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| 18:37.45 | d4rkl0rd | :( |
| 18:37.51 | azeem | d4rkl0rd: did you compile it? |
| 18:38.03 | Quibus | azeem: are you sure about that, btw? |
| 18:38.04 | azeem | d4rkl0rd: or is it compiled for sarge? |
| 18:38.09 | azeem | 19:28 < tbm> if both are 2.6, yeah |
| 18:38.19 | azeem | Quibus: I trust that guy |
| 18:38.58 | d4rkl0rd | azeem: 2.6.8.2 i have compiled on sarge cd, and 2.6.15.3 i have compiled for my machine |
| 18:39.16 | azeem | d4rkl0rd: I mean did you compile hlds? |
| 18:39.18 | d4rkl0rd | azeem: but it didnt work on both |
| 18:39.30 | omry | Gnea, you answered? (I am strugling with an unfamilier text client) |
| 18:39.34 | Gnea | omry: okay, do this then, run X like this: X >& X.log let it finish, then post the contents of X.log to a paste site |
| 18:39.37 | Gnea | !paster |
| 18:39.37 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 18:39.41 | d4rkl0rd | azeem: no, it is compiled by valve or somebody....it isnt distributed as source |
| 18:40.10 | Gnea | OOPS |
| 18:40.11 | asg | Gnea: thanks |
| 18:40.13 | azeem | d4rkl0rd: well ask them then |
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| 18:40.26 | kspath | !spank Gnea |
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| 18:40.33 | Gnea | hahaha |
| 18:40.39 | asg | d4rkl0rd: run 'ldd' against the binary and see if there are any dynamic libraries you are missing. |
| 18:40.49 | debiankid | yes trend product |
| 18:41.03 | d4rkl0rd | azeem: i have written mail yesterday but no answer yet....but thanx i will try to debug it :) |
| 18:41.04 | d4rkl0rd | thx |
| 18:41.10 | asg | debiankid: iirc, you configure viruswall as a forced parent peer proxy via squid |
| 18:41.16 | Gnea | omry: yeah, i started using irssi again, it has a lot of commands aliased improperly by default |
| 18:41.23 | Gnea | such as /ver |
| 18:41.35 | omry | Gnea, http://firefang.net/~omry/X.log |
| 18:41.47 | debiankid | interscan to debian |
| 18:41.47 | debiankid | is there a version ¿? |
| 18:42.03 | Gnea | noooooooooooooooo |
| 18:42.19 | raf256` | why everyone is pinging my version> |
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| 18:42.28 | asg | raf256`: because they don't know how to use /ver |
| 18:42.41 | azeem | omry: don't do that CTCP stuff |
| 18:42.43 | omry | you bet. I think its my fault. sorry. |
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| 18:42.59 | kspath | !smite omry |
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| 18:43.19 | Gnea | asg: in traditional ircii clients, /ver might have been short for /version, which requested the server version information, thus not spamming the channel. |
| 18:43.28 | asg | Gnea: I know ;) |
| 18:43.34 | Gnea | fucking retarded |
| 18:43.35 | Gnea | :) |
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| 18:43.46 | asg | Gnea: it's an eye-opener, that's for sure |
| 18:43.47 | kspath | I wonder how long before there will only be SMP kernel. Will it still be labelled SMP at that point? |
| 18:43.52 | omry | sorry again guys. Gnea, next time you talk to someone with an unfamilier text interface, don't mantion ver :) |
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| 18:44.02 | omry | mention |
| 18:44.05 | asg | kspath: many years |
| 18:44.09 | Gnea | omry: thanks, i already realized that ;) moving on.... |
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| 18:44.17 | omry | Gnea, anyway.. looked at the log? |
| 18:44.22 | vhuren | how can I scp subdirs etc over? |
| 18:44.26 | asg | vhuren: scp -r |
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| 18:44.32 | asg | vhuren: read the manpage in the future |
| 18:44.40 | vhuren | k thanx |
| 18:44.55 | Gnea | omry: yeah, can you output ls -l /usr/lib/libGL* to a file and post? |
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| 18:45.16 | Gnea | omry: also, lspci | grep -i vga |
| 18:45.53 | CraiZE | uhm.... hi.... I'm a n00b.... and I have one (hopefully) simple question: |
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| 18:46.13 | Eulex | !noob |
| 18:46.13 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 18:46.31 | CraiZE | I tried ti install mldonkey on my debian by downloading source and compiling it. |
| 18:46.33 | mamoot | hi |
| 18:46.45 | omry | Gnea, http://firefang.net/~omry/stuff.txt |
| 18:46.53 | CraiZE | When I tried to run 'mlnet' i got "cannot execute binary file" error... |
| 18:46.55 | omry | Gnea, both outputs are there. |
| 18:47.01 | mamoot | why don' u try via synaptic |
| 18:47.03 | Eulex | CraiZE, why not just apt-get it? |
| 18:47.10 | raz0 | CraiZE, Debian has mldonkey packages, you know. |
| 18:47.11 | sorpigal | CraiZE: was there a problem with the Debian package? |
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| 18:47.17 | Gnea | omry: cool, looking |
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| 18:47.46 | CraiZE | I tried it with apt, but it didn't work either, so i decided to learn to do it the hard way... |
| 18:47.53 | CraiZE | and failed :( |
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| 18:48.07 | Eulex | !didn't work |
| 18:48.07 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 18:49.02 | CraiZE | sorry... when i used apt-get i tried to modify conf file (.ini) but it chaneged right back after restart |
| 18:49.20 | bnoji | LSorensen: I had my gf reboot it at home, came back up and had the fork issue right away. |
| 18:49.21 | mamoot | anyone knoes a linux audio chanel ? |
| 18:49.28 | mamoot | to chat ? |
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| 18:49.31 | sorpigal | CraiZE: what were you changing in the file? What file were you changing? |
| 18:49.31 | omry | mamoot #alsa |
| 18:49.31 | CraiZE | that way i wasn't able to connect to core with other computers... |
| 18:49.47 | mamoot | thx |
| 18:50.01 | CraiZE | so i set up new debian comp and tried from source |
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| 18:50.30 | v3 | hello all |
| 18:50.31 | CraiZE | i installed all needed packages (ocaml, netcat) |
| 18:50.34 | v3 | I am planning on buying a prodikeys dm value keyboard. I don't run windows on my system. I was wondering if the midi controller can be made to work on linux ? |
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| 18:50.45 | CraiZE | then i did a ./configure |
| 18:50.48 | CraiZE | then make |
| 18:50.53 | CraiZE | then waited.... |
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| 18:51.04 | sorpigal | !enter |
| 18:51.04 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 18:51.11 | CraiZE | then tried to run mlnet.... and got error. |
| 18:51.27 | CraiZE | sorry |
| 18:51.41 | Thanatermesis | is posible to show all the packages in a specified branch of a specified repository ? for example in the debian repository, show all the packages of "non-free" |
| 18:52.22 | sorpigal | CraiZE: so cut to the chase: What is the error? |
| 18:53.03 | thaswiftness | Thanatermesis, make a custom filter in synaptic ? |
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| 18:53.33 | CraiZE | when i try to run mlnet (/home/mldonkey/mlnet) i get an error: cannon execute binary file. Can someone explain me what that means and what can I do to make debian execute my binary file? |
| 18:53.58 | grendal_prime | anyone any good with dri on ATI cards? |
| 18:54.03 | pipeline | CraiZE: Your best bet is to run "file /home/mldonkey/mlnet" to see what the heck it is, first. |
| 18:54.17 | grendal_prime | i got a doozy here it was made in 97 its a rage pro agp |
| 18:54.20 | pipeline | grendal_prime: Short version: If it's an R2xx, it should justu work. If it's R3xx or R4xx, just give up and wait patiently. |
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| 18:54.26 | Gnea | !ati |
| 18:54.26 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseAti |
| 18:54.26 | pipeline | grendal_prime: Oh, that's even worse ;_; |
| 18:54.45 | grendal_prime | it works..just no dri |
| 18:54.48 | pipeline | grendal_prime: Due to a security hole in the DRI driver for those things, the DRI drivers aren't built by default. It's a *royal* PITA to build the DRI driver yourself. |
| 18:55.04 | pipeline | grendal_prime: The key word here is "mach64", as that's the name of the chipset/driver. |
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| 18:55.36 | CraiZE | it says ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.2.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped |
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| 18:55.55 | omry | Gnea, any conclusions? |
| 18:55.56 | grendal_prime | ? |
| 18:55.58 | sorpigal | CraiZE: /home isn't mounted noexec by any chance? |
| 18:55.59 | KjetilK | I'm trying to install sarge on somewhat flakey hardware. It won't detect a keyboard, and it can only detect the disks and CD player in certain combinations on the controller |
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| 18:56.16 | abrotman | !rube goldberg install |
| 18:56.16 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 18:56.28 | grendal_prime | i see nothing on this card that says mach64..i thought that was a newer card |
| 18:56.35 | grendal_prime | this thing was made in 1997 |
| 18:56.41 | abrotman | grendal_prime: lspci | grep -i vga |
| 18:56.45 | abrotman | grendal_prime: what's the line? |
| 18:56.53 | grendal_prime | hold on |
| 18:57.18 | CraiZE | how do i check how /home is mounted? |
| 18:57.22 | dooglus | what is the recommended way to get a module loaded a boot time? |
| 18:57.28 | abrotman | /etc/modules? |
| 18:57.30 | asg | dooglus: add it to /etc/modules |
| 18:57.31 | dooglus | CraiZE: "df /home"? |
| 18:57.35 | abrotman | CraiZE: cat /etc/mtab |
| 18:57.37 | Thanatermesis | thaswiftness i don't really found how... |
| 18:57.47 | Dantix | hi all, I trying to do a backup using as final storage a shared folder on a win2K, my backup is about 30Gb, I've croned it at midnight. The problem is the win2k PC reboots during the process. I've read that is not the right way use smb mounts to do this kind of jobs, because a limitation of m$ to handle large amounts of data. Finally my question is, thinking I have only de m$ PC to store my backup, how can I achive what is want to do? |
| 18:57.49 | KjetilK | I was hoping to have the installer go automatically until the box is on the net |
| 18:57.58 | dooglus | asg: thanks. silly me! |
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| 18:58.10 | grendal_prime | vga compatible controller :ATI Technologies Inc 3d Rage Pro AGP 1x/2x (rev 5c) |
| 18:58.12 | asg | dooglus: you're welcome |
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| 18:58.54 | omry | Dantix, a 30gb file? |
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| 18:59.40 | dooglus | asg: in sid, I see "%e is deprecated, will be removed and is unlikey to work correctly. Don't use it." a couple of times during boot. Is it worth raising a bug for that? |
| 18:59.51 | Dantix | omry no, 30Gb in several files |
| 18:59.55 | dooglus | sorry, I didn't mean to ask anyone in particular. |
| 18:59.57 | abrotman | grendal_prime: haha! |
| 19:00.01 | Eulex | !fai |
| 19:00.02 | dpkg | it has been said that fai is Fully Automatic Installation for debian at http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ or at #fai |
| 19:00.05 | Eulex | KjetilK, ^^ |
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| 19:00.14 | Thanatermesis | with apt-cache search not is posible to show all the packages of a section of a repository ? example non-free |
| 19:00.23 | Eulex | KjetilK, heard it's a little complicated to setup and configure, though |
| 19:00.25 | CraiZE | none of the above commands gave usefull results... "df" gave Filesistem /dev/hdb1 1k-blocks 9677928 Used Avalible Use% Mounted on / |
| 19:00.57 | valdyn | Dantix: ask microsoft support on why they crash, not us |
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| 19:00.58 | dooglus | CraiZE: if "df /home" tells you "mounted on /" then you don't have /home mounted as a separate partition. |
| 19:00.59 | KjetilK | Eulex: OK, thanks, I'll look |
| 19:01.13 | CraiZE | and "cat /etc/mtab" didn't mention /home anywhere... |
| 19:01.20 | CraiZE | ok. |
| 19:01.39 | CraiZE | so how do I check how / is mounted? |
| 19:01.41 | grendal_prime | abrotman, ?? |
| 19:01.43 | Dantix | valdyn: I know why m$ crash, because is a piece of waste |
| 19:01.43 | dooglus | CraiZE: if you are seeing your files in /home, then I would suggest that /home is a directory on your root partition. |
| 19:01.45 | KjetilK | I don't think I need fully automatic, I just need something that doesn't require input from keyboard... :-) |
| 19:01.45 | grendal_prime | that bad is it? |
| 19:01.54 | valdyn | Dantix: might aswell be a hardware defect anyway, saying windows cant deal with 30G backups is just silly |
| 19:01.55 | dooglus | CraiZE: otherwise I would suggest that you just don't have /home mounted yet. |
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| 19:02.18 | Eulex | Dantix, you could try using a proper server, like an ftp server or something. |
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| 19:02.29 | grendal_prime | i dont have to use these cards but...well just figured seeing as how i think every one of the machines in this fleet has on in it..would save time and do a customer build on one and clone it |
| 19:02.39 | Dantix | Eulex: not yet, just use smb mount on my linux |
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| 19:02.50 | CraiZE | It is mounted, I can see and edit files on it. It is mounted on / however, since I chose simple partitioning during install, couse this computer is just for me to learn linux |
| 19:02.53 | asg | dooglus: I think that's a known issue but you can check the bts to be sure. |
| 19:03.22 | vin` | is it possible to switch views of querybts to the plain old one? |
| 19:03.27 | valdyn | CraiZE: you just dont seem to have an extra /home partition, thats ok |
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| 19:03.50 | bleach- | how do i install the complete kernel source in /usr/src? |
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| 19:04.00 | valdyn | bleach-: why would you do that? |
| 19:04.00 | Gnea | omry: someone said this is the right way to do it: http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:tc6lSydeRFYJ:www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Applications_GUI_Multimedia/HOWTO_Installing_nVidia_Grapics_Drivers_on_Debian_Etch+debian+etch+nvidia&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=firefox |
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| 19:04.05 | CraiZE | but I still cant execute my binari file :( Any more suggestions? |
| 19:04.10 | Nurbs | I've just noticed "/run" on two of my machines - what is that one good for and how did it get there? |
| 19:04.12 | yuji | Hi, what is the way to create a file like this http://foo/bar.log ? |
| 19:04.27 | bleach- | i need for a compile of vmware |
| 19:04.29 | valdyn | CraiZE: cant execute what exactly, and what exactly is the error message? |
| 19:04.32 | bleach- | *need it |
| 19:04.38 | omry | Gnea, having a look. thanks. |
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| 19:04.39 | sepski | yuji, that's not a file, that's a url |
| 19:04.58 | KiD|Vidjeuh | i have a question, i have a windows pc, and i just want to test debian |
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| 19:05.27 | Gnea | KiD|Vidjeuh: use a based-on-debian livecd |
| 19:05.44 | Gnea | !tell KiD|Vidjeuh about based on debian |
| 19:06.10 | sepski | Gnea, you woudn't get to experience the debian magic with a livecd. apt-get dpkg-reconfigure etc etc. |
| 19:06.14 | valdyn | Nurbs: its not supposed to be there |
| 19:06.22 | sepski | KiD|Vidjeuh, i'd get a second harddrive and install debian on thatone |
| 19:06.26 | CraiZE | sorry. I tried to execute mldonkey (/home/mldonkey/mlnet) and I got error: "cannot execute binary file". Someone suggested i check wether my /home is mounted as executable, then I found out my /home is not sepparate partition. My next question was how to check if my / is mounted as executable, but got no answer... |
| 19:06.40 | KiD|Vidjeuh | but i do not want that yet .. |
| 19:06.44 | bleach- | im looking for an equivilant function to freebsd sysinstalls "install sources" option |
| 19:06.44 | Nurbs | valdyn: weird. very weird. |
| 19:06.53 | azeem | CraiZE: why is mldonkey in /home? |
| 19:06.54 | chealer | omry: what's the output of $ dpkg -l nvidia*|grep ii; ? |
| 19:06.59 | Gnea | sepski: pay attention, and learn |
| 19:07.05 | asg | bleach-: Debian doesn't really work that way |
| 19:07.13 | grendal_prime | pipeline, ? so that card is totally out of the question? |
| 19:07.17 | valdyn | CraiZE: noexec would be there when you typed 'mount', but im sure that is not the case |
| 19:07.22 | bleach- | yeah i thought so |
| 19:07.33 | valdyn | CraiZE: now why dont you just apt-get install mldonkey-foo and run it |
| 19:07.38 | CraiZE | i followed tutorial i found on mldonkey homepage. It included addung new user (mldonkey, hence /home/mldonkey). |
| 19:07.50 | Gnea | KiD|Vidjeuh: kanotix is really good, it's got a lot of newer software - you can run it completely off of the cd without it touching your windows system (it can read your hard drive, that's about it) |
| 19:07.59 | KiD|Vidjeuh | I just want to try it, can i just boot from a cd i have download, see how it goes, and after i shut the pc down i can get back at windows ? Whitout losing anything .. |
| 19:08.01 | bleach- | but anyway i need to get the source installed.. ivr read alot of faq's and stuff i ive been unable to find anything about it |
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| 19:08.16 | Gnea | !tell KiD|Vidjeuh about kanotix |
| 19:08.17 | KiD|Vidjeuh | ah, tx gnea |
| 19:08.22 | asg | bleach-: if you want a Linux distribution that works like a BSD, try Gentoo. You can use deb-src to compile your own debs but doing the whole distro is painful |
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| 19:08.44 | azeem | CraiZE: just install mldonkey via apt-get? |
| 19:08.45 | valdyn | bleach-: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 19:08.45 | bleach- | i only need the kernel source |
| 19:08.54 | asg | bleach-: oh, /msg dpkg kp |
| 19:08.54 | Gnea | KiD|Vidjeuh: well the regular debian cds are just install cds, they don't have a whole system running off of them - you can try booting the cd into installation mode and then shut it down without it doing anything |
| 19:08.59 | Quibus | I'll try to reboot now with the new Knoppix cd I just burned |
| 19:09.00 | omry | chealer, http://firefang.net/~omry/stuff.txt |
| 19:09.00 | CraiZE | i would try apt-get way, but i want to learn how to di it this way |
| 19:09.00 | bleach- | ok thank you i will try it out |
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| 19:09.11 | valdyn | bleach-: if that is not enough for your vmware stuff, apt-cache search kernel-source, pick the right ones, install that package, and unpack it in /usr/src/ |
| 19:09.14 | azeem | CraiZE: ask the mldonkey people then |
| 19:09.20 | abrotman | grendal_prime: that card is .. not good for 3d .. i don't think it can do any hardware 3d |
| 19:09.29 | azeem | CraiZE: we don't know how they decide to make this work |
| 19:09.36 | asg | valdyn: another good way to get the right bits is to use 'm-a prepare' |
| 19:09.40 | chealer | omry: on which kernel is X failing to start? |
| 19:09.41 | CraiZE | OK, thx |
| 19:09.48 | dooglus | where is my keyboard layout set up for virtual consoles? |
| 19:09.59 | omry | chealer, the 2.6.15.firefang one. |
| 19:10.07 | valdyn | asg: oh, good point , would it get the sources for modules that dont compile against jsut the headers? |
| 19:10.21 | omry | the 2.6.15-486 one was installed now when I tried the oneliner |
| 19:10.28 | grendal_prime | just need 2d though really |
| 19:10.29 | omry | (the module, not the kernel) |
| 19:10.33 | chealer | omry: oh, well your nvidia kernel module for that kernel is outdated as the error indicates |
| 19:10.54 | asg | valdyn: iirc, vmware compiled fine with the headers |
| 19:10.59 | omry | chealer, how do I rebuild it for the currnet kernel? |
| 19:11.02 | CraiZE | one more question: if I do "file" on mlnet file, i get something like "...for GNU/Linux 2.2.0..." My kernel is 2.4.X Could this be the problem? |
| 19:11.02 | valdyn | asg: i see |
| 19:11.12 | chealer | omry: did you try following the guide? |
| 19:11.22 | valdyn | bleach-: read what asg said |
| 19:11.40 | valdyn | CraiZE: no |
| 19:11.57 | omry | chealer I tried the one-liner. not the full guide. you think the full guide will work? |
| 19:12.23 | bleach- | getting the kernel headers like you said worked just fine |
| 19:12.25 | chealer | omry: I hope. if it doesn't, fix it or tell me the problem |
| 19:12.33 | bleach- | thank you valdyn and asg |
| 19:12.37 | asg | bleach-: you're welcome |
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| 19:12.55 | omry | chealer sure. I`ll get into vesa mode and try. |
| 19:12.56 | omry | thanks. |
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| 19:15.27 | holo | hi |
| 19:15.47 | holo | this may sound stupid but: where the hell is gmake? |
| 19:15.53 | holo | i can't find it as a deb |
| 19:15.58 | asg | holo: /msg dpkg gmake |
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| 19:16.25 | asg | holo: i.e., the 'make' package in Debian |
| 19:16.41 | holo | asg, i don't want that make |
| 19:16.45 | myren | anyone know a free shell where i can just leave a screen+irssi session running? turns out unixshell actually has no plans of ever letting us use IRC |
| 19:17.02 | asg | holo: gmake is gnu make, which gmake are you referring to? |
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| 19:17.30 | asg | myren: dreamhost is relatively inexpensive and I've used irc there |
| 19:17.45 | mrverbose | can anyone help me with a very simple ipsec setup? |
| 19:17.50 | mrverbose | i do not see my error |
| 19:17.57 | holo | asg, so, the make that is available in apt is gmake in fact? |
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| 19:18.12 | mrverbose | http://www.ipsec-howto.org/x299.html <-- i have been following this howto for transport mode between two local hosts |
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| 19:18.20 | mrverbose | however the setup doesnt seem to work |
| 19:18.28 | asg | holo: yes. Are you following some tutorial? |
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| 19:19.41 | holo | asg, in fact is for some friend of mine, he wants to compile systemc i don't have debian for quite some time |
| 19:19.54 | evilbulgarian | hi, we have layer 7 foundry server irons ( load balancers for our web servers ) and i am looking for a solution to script the draining of users to each web server so we can rollout a new web site without interuption? Does anyone have some solutions or tips or anything to point me in the right direction? |
| 19:19.57 | myren | i'm so damned pissed, i'm already paying $20/mo for Xen hosting |
| 19:19.57 | myren | I was told there were "plans" for an uplink that would permit Irc |
| 19:19.57 | myren | but it turns out there were no such plans |
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| 19:20.22 | asg | holo: okay, the debian make should be fine. If for some reason it isn't, you could just grab a tarball from gnu.org, compile it, and install it in /usr/local. |
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| 19:21.14 | andre | hello |
| 19:21.18 | Gomo1 | Hi |
| 19:21.23 | Gomo1 | How do i check the size of the exim queue? |
| 19:21.43 | andre | dont know just installed ubuntu |
| 19:21.51 | andre | new to linux |
| 19:22.17 | andre | you are using debian |
| 19:22.19 | AlienX | andre, read the topic |
| 19:22.23 | Gnea | !ubuntu |
| 19:22.23 | dpkg | Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntulinux.org and/or visit #ubuntu, right here on IRC. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
| 19:22.40 | asg | Gomo1: mailq |
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| 19:22.53 | Gomo1 | asg well that doesn't seem to work |
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| 19:23.11 | Frys | hi |
| 19:23.19 | asg | Gomo1: are you looking for size or number of messages? |
| 19:23.19 | andre | i installed debian but could not get xwindow going |
| 19:23.24 | Gomo1 | asg: number |
| 19:23.33 | Frys | i need help installing x-window and nvidia drivers |
| 19:23.38 | Gomo1 | madero:/home/queueman/queue-manager# mailq |
| 19:23.39 | Gomo1 | madero:/home/queueman/queue-manager# |
| 19:23.45 | Frys | i tried with how to's but couldnt get it working |
| 19:23.46 | Gomo1 | and it takes a little while to do that |
| 19:24.19 | andre | i finally got xwindow isntalled with aptitude |
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| 19:24.33 | Frys | andre; how? tell me |
| 19:24.56 | Gomo1 | maybe it's because there's nothing in the queue :/ |
| 19:25.00 | Gomo1 | but i want the number... |
| 19:25.00 | asg | Gomo1: well, the hackish way is to count the number of '*-H' files in /var/spool/exim/input |
| 19:25.20 | Gomo1 | mailq | wc -l? |
| 19:25.21 | andre | at the command i type aptitude it came up |
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| 19:25.40 | asg | Gomo1: no, the mailq command returns 2 lines and a blank per message |
| 19:25.51 | Frys | andre;what? |
| 19:25.55 | Gnea | Frys: install x-window-system-core |
| 19:25.55 | andre | then i looked in not installed sofware |
| 19:25.58 | chealer | Frys: we can't help you if you don't ask a question |
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| 19:26.07 | Gnea | !tell Frys about nvidia one-liner |
| 19:26.10 | Quibus | azeem - here I am again |
| 19:26.18 | Gomo1 | asg: ouch i don't want that |
| 19:26.19 | azeem | hey |
| 19:26.21 | dooglus | dpkg just said "Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here", but when you ask him, he doesn't explain it at all! |
| 19:26.21 | dpkg | dooglus: that's too long |
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| 19:26.24 | andre | yes install the xwindow core before kde or gnome |
| 19:26.33 | Quibus | azeem - even with this Knoppix cd which has kernel 2.6.12, I still get that error |
| 19:26.38 | asg | Gomo1: #exim may know some more elegant ways though |
| 19:26.39 | dooglus | dpkg: I was talking about you, not to you :P |
| 19:26.43 | Gomo1 | ok i'll count /var/spool/exim/input |
| 19:27.20 | azeem | Quibus: with both initramfs-tools and yaird? |
| 19:27.21 | asg | Gomo1: remember though, /var/spool/exim/input has 2 files per message (the header and the body) |
| 19:27.27 | Gomo1 | asg: ok nice |
| 19:27.28 | Quibus | azeem - both are installed, indeed |
| 19:27.28 | Gomo1 | thanks |
| 19:27.33 | asg | Gomo1: you're welcome |
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| 19:28.36 | azeem | Quibus: tried to let yaird generate the initrd? |
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| 19:29.08 | Quibus | azeem - how exactly? |
| 19:29.28 | azeem | Quibus: dunno, check its documentation |
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| 19:30.22 | Frys | ok i've done following; apt-get install gdm then after some other tries with some how to's i did what Gnea said "apt-get install x-window-system-core" so should I do apt-get install gdm again or? |
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| 19:31.56 | abrotman | Frys: apt-get install x-window-system-core gdm .. but it should already be there |
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| 19:32.16 | yos87 | Hi |
| 19:32.44 | yos87 | How to install many packages using apt-get install? |
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| 19:34.00 | elirips | hello. if i have some questions about crontab: 1) do the jobs defined by crontab for user A also gets executed if the user is not logged in (I suppose yes, but)? 2) if a users login is disabled (with passwd -l), do his crontab jobs still get executed? |
| 19:34.08 | chealer | Frys: is gdm installed? |
| 19:34.37 | Ronin | yos87: same way you install only one |
| 19:34.43 | buu | elirips: 1) yes |
| 19:34.49 | buu | elirips: 2) Well, probably. |
| 19:35.15 | elirips | buu: probably? |
| 19:35.24 | yos87 | ronin: apt-get install package package package is not working |
| 19:35.24 | buu | elirips: Yes, probably. |
| 19:35.34 | Thanatermesis | with apt-cache search not is posible to show all the packages of a section of a repository ? example non-free |
| 19:35.34 | buu | yos87: Sucks to be you. |
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| 19:35.44 | elirips | buu: depending on something, or meaning you dont know for sure? |
| 19:35.52 | buu | elirips: Meaning I do not know for certain. |
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| 19:36.25 | Kralizec | hi all |
| 19:36.31 | elirips | buu: thank you. i'm going to test it |
| 19:36.49 | buu | elirips: Yay! |
| 19:36.52 | yos87 | buu: why you say that? |
| 19:36.54 | Kralizec | do anybody know why ganglia-webfrontend isn't packaged for debian, or how to set up the web interface in debian (the debian way)? |
| 19:37.11 | Quibus | Hey Kralizec - the MSX one? :P |
| 19:37.30 | Kralizec | Quibus: sorry? |
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| 19:37.42 | Kerr | after an apt-get upgrade, cron failed to configure; now i get funky errors. |
| 19:37.44 | harleyg | gary the no trash couger says: dont be a larbage, pick up your garbage |
| 19:37.45 | Kerr | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:37.45 | Kerr | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:37.52 | Quibus | Kralizec, there's an MSX group called Kralizec |
| 19:37.53 | Kerr | what gives :-/ ? |
| 19:37.58 | Kerr | goggle was pretty useless |
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| 19:38.04 | Kerr | google^ |
| 19:38.08 | buu | yos87: Because obviously you have a demon posessing your machine. |
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| 19:38.23 | Kralizec | Quibus: ah, it's taken from "Dune" (by Frank Herbert)... well, actually from "Sons of Dune", the third book of the saga |
| 19:38.33 | Kralizec | Quibus: there is a metal band named Kralizec as well |
| 19:38.36 | Quibus | Kralizec, aha, never mind then:) |
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| 19:38.46 | Kralizec | :) |
| 19:38.46 | elirips | and one more: if a job gets executed by crontab, /ect/profile gets still read before the job is executed (I have some export-statements in it, that are needed by the job)? |
| 19:38.48 | Gnea | Frys: did it install an xserver? |
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| 19:38.52 | loggygreg | Kerr: apt-get install lsb-base (or reijnstall it) |
| 19:39.34 | Kralizec | what I'm wondering is, if ganglia seems to be packaged, why was ganglia-webfrontend left out? it's eve suggested by one of the packages... |
| 19:39.43 | Kerr | loggygreg: i wonder what caused it to not be there:-/ |
| 19:39.58 | loggygreg | Kerr: don't know :-) |
| 19:40.06 | yos87 | buu: But you can say something not cursing me! |
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| 19:40.23 | buu | yos87: That wasn't a curse! |
| 19:40.35 | yos87 | buu: you say sucks!! |
| 19:40.39 | buu | yos87: Yes! |
| 19:40.44 | buu | That was a *description* |
| 19:40.54 | tehhh | i'm trying to purge old kernel image (linux-image-2.6.14-2-k7) but dpkg --purge linux-image-2.6.14-2-k7 just sits at "Purging configuration files for linux-image-2.6.14-2-k7 ..." i straced it and it waits for a pid: ps ax shows the pid as: /usr/bin/perl -w /usr/share/debconf/frontend /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-2.6.14-2-k7.postrm purge. what should i do? ;-) |
| 19:40.58 | Enthusiast78 | Does anybody know of an smb.conf option that could affect user privileges on their windows clients? (such as being a local admin or not)? |
| 19:41.40 | Kerr | yos87: apt-get install package package package replacing each 'package' with the name of the package you want to install. |
| 19:41.42 | Quibus | azeem - can your friend help a bit? SHould I just run 'yaird' and done? I'm a bit reluctant because I'm afraid to mess things up even more |
| 19:41.43 | Gnea | Enthusiast78: install swat, it's got *all* the options well defined |
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| 19:41.50 | Gnea | !tell Enthusiast78 about swat |
| 19:41.52 | Kralizec | Enthusiast78: that would be GPO and should be stored on the PDC (be it samba or not)... there were some info somewhere on how to do that with samba, but it was NOT in smb.conf |
| 19:42.00 | azeem | Quibus: really, I know nothing about yaird |
| 19:42.15 | sp3000 | Kerr: more to the point, apt-file search lib/lsb/init-functions |
| 19:42.20 | yos87 | buu: you see what kerr see |
| 19:42.24 | sp3000 | or, well, less to the point, but, mor generally |
| 19:42.26 | Quibus | azeem, I suppose that friend of yours does, doesn't he? The one you asked about the kernel version |
| 19:42.30 | azeem | Quibus: you can use the newer kernels with either initramfs-tools or yaird, so maybe you can change a linux-image configure file? |
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| 19:43.04 | yos87 | buu: you said , a demon possesing my machine, It's not right command actually |
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| 19:43.24 | Kerr | err, this is bad |
| 19:43.33 | Ronin | yos87: perhaps you should consider using the debian channel in your native tongue |
| 19:43.36 | Kerr | sp3000: #flood ? |
| 19:44.23 | yos87 | Ronin: But it's not so many mistake! case #arabeyes is only 4 people inside , and they are sleeping? |
| 19:44.32 | sp3000 | Kerr: heh, well, *shrug* :) |
| 19:44.34 | Ronin | !ae |
| 19:44.34 | dpkg | well, ae is Anthony's Editor -- a tiny full-screen editor |
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| 19:44.42 | Ronin | or not |
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| 19:45.33 | Gomo1 | how do i divide an integer in 2 in bash O_o |
| 19:45.35 | Thanatermesis | any idea abrotman ? you to know's all about debian... :) |
| 19:45.37 | yos87 | Kerr: can we install more then one package in same command |
| 19:45.48 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: huh ? |
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| 19:45.52 | Quibus | azeem, I'm still wondering why the dpkg-reconfigure doesn't work |
| 19:45.56 | Thanatermesis | with apt-cache search not is posible to show all the packages of a section of a repository ? example non-free <-- abrotman |
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| 19:46.12 | quiet | okay... umm, bit of a problem, but not unfixable since I can boot to the old kernel: installed linux-image-2.6-686 (2.6.15-1-686) On Compaq Proliant 1600 with Compaq Smart Array 3200... 2.6.8 boots fine, sees device as /dev/ida/c0d0p1 2.6.15 has the same settings... fails during boot saying "ALERT! /dev/ida/c0d0p1 does not exist. Dropping to a shell!" |
| 19:46.14 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: uhm .. not that i'm aware . but aptitude might be able to ... |
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| 19:46.32 | sp3000 | Kerr: so apparently it feels like upgrading apt to fulfill a dependency |
| 19:46.44 | Enthusiast78 | Gnea, Thanks for the info, but I think SWAT won't really answer my question... :( |
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| 19:46.59 | Thanatermesis | aptitude ? mmmh... let me check... |
| 19:47.14 | Kerr | sp3000: but.. erh, all that for tryin' to install apt-file ? |
| 19:47.15 | flogiston | Can I install debian from inside an host system? |
| 19:47.16 | Kerr | The following extra packages will be installed: apt apt-utils aptitude libapt-pkg-perl libconfigfile-perl libdb4.3 libdb4.4 libperl5.8 libsigc++-2.0-0c2a perl perl-base perl-modules |
| 19:47.20 | tehhh | i'm trying to purge old kernel image (linux-image-2.6.14-2-k7) but dpkg --purge linux-image-2.6.14-2-k7 just sits at "Purging configuration files for linux-image-2.6.14-2-k7 ..." i straced it and it waits for a pid: ps ax shows the pid as: /usr/bin/perl -w /usr/share/debconf/frontend /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-2.6.14-2-k7.postrm purge. stracing that command ends up waiting (waitpod) for his own pid. i guess it's kind of loop ;-) what should i do? ;-) |
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| 19:47.44 | chealer | tehhh: just don't purge it? |
| 19:47.44 | tehhh | waitpid* |
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| 19:48.04 | sp3000 | Kerr: heh, blame whoever wrote it for lack of NIH :) |
| 19:48.14 | MattUK2 | debian newbie here, how can i change the mirror? |
| 19:48.27 | tehhh | chealer, "dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove linux-image-2.6.14-2-k7, only the config |
| 19:48.27 | tehhh | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:48.27 | tehhh | " |
| 19:48.32 | chealer | MattUK2: which release do you use? |
| 19:48.36 | tehhh | that's dpkg -r package |
| 19:48.50 | Enthusiast78 | Kralizec, Is there a way to know if GPO is configured in samba? |
| 19:48.55 | Thanatermesis | i don't found any thing here abrotman :/ |
| 19:49.03 | MattUK2 | chealer: i think its sarge |
| 19:49.12 | Kerr | sp3000: I'm worried those upgrades could break other things.. so i don't think i'm gonna go ahead:-/ |
| 19:49.17 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: i guess not .. though you can get the non-free package list and browse that |
| 19:49.19 | chealer | MattUK2: # apt-setup |
| 19:49.27 | MattUK2 | chealer: thanks |
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| 19:50.10 | Kerr | !win loather |
| 19:50.10 | dpkg | Congratulations, loather! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 19:50.14 | tehhh | hey, the etch installer beta 2 is out today ;-) |
| 19:50.46 | chealer | tehhh: what does $ dpkg -l linux-image-2.6.14-2-k7|grep k7; output? |
| 19:50.48 | Kralizec | Enthusiast78: I don't know much about them... GPO stands for Global Policy Objects, and last time I looked, I think they were files (don't ask me how they are created - I dont know) stored in the netlogon share of the domain controller |
| 19:50.58 | MattUK2 | chealer: i have another question, how do i tell what system (ALSA, OSS) my soundcard is on? I'm on the shell, and trying to setup darkice. |
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| 19:51.12 | tehhh | chealer, "pc linux-image-2.6.14-2-k7 2.6.14-7 Linux kernel 2.6.14 image on AMD K7 machines" |
| 19:51.13 | chealer | MattUK2: don't ask me, ask the channel |
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| 19:51.29 | yos87 | Kerr: are you sure of that : the following extra packages will be installed: apt apt-utils aptitude libapt-pkg-perl libconfigfile-perl libdb4.3 libdb4.4 libperl5.8 libsigc++-2.0-0c2a perl perl-base perl-module |
| 19:51.31 | Enthusiast78 | Kralizec, Hmmm... Let me see if I find some crap on that directory! Thanks! |
| 19:51.53 | chealer | tehhh: so it's already purged...you absolutely want to purge it? |
| 19:51.58 | Kralizec | Enthusiast78: good luck :) |
| 19:52.03 | tehhh | chealer, yep |
| 19:52.05 | chealer | tehhh: oops, I meant it's already removed |
| 19:52.19 | MattUK2 | does anyone know what mirrors work? |
| 19:52.21 | tehhh | well, dpkg -l shows it, teasing me ;) |
| 19:52.23 | chealer | tehhh: you can always look at the BTS if it's that important |
| 19:52.27 | Enthusiast78 | Kralizec, Uhhh... Just a few user-specific .bat files, I think they're harmless on that matter... |
| 19:52.32 | Silent_al | where the common apps' docs are stored? in which route? |
| 19:52.43 | tehhh | Silent_al, /usr/share/doc/app_name/ |
| 19:52.49 | Silent_al | thanx :) |
| 19:53.05 | chealer | MattUK2: what do you mean...? |
| 19:53.12 | tehhh | package-name is even more proper i guess |
| 19:53.44 | MattUK2 | chealer: looks like none of the mirrors work :( i have LAN connection and everything, and it was working a while ago |
| 19:53.48 | Kralizec | Enthusiast78: http://lists.samba.org/archive/samba/2004-August/090369.html |
| 19:53.59 | tehhh | Silent_al, when you install a package for first time it's always good to look at that dir first ;-) |
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| 19:54.08 | MattUK2 | chealer: oh god, i know, i need to change my network settings |
| 19:54.11 | foo | Can someone have the bot tell me how to make a kernel from source then make a .deb out of it? |
| 19:54.22 | asg | !tell foo about kp |
| 19:54.31 | foo | asg: thanks |
| 19:54.31 | MattUK2 | chealer: as i was round some1 else's and they a different gateway |
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| 19:54.33 | Enthusiast78 | MattUK2, 'mv /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.old ; apt-setup' |
| 19:54.36 | asg | foo: you're welcome |
| 19:54.45 | MattUK2 | have* |
| 19:55.00 | chealer | MattUK2: OK |
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| 19:55.05 | Kralizec | Enthusiast78: http://anubis.uji.es/doc/samba-3.0.9/docs/Samba-HOWTO-Collection.pdf <-- Chapter 23 |
| 19:55.06 | tehhh | lol |
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| 19:55.22 | MattUK2 | chealer: how can i change my network settings in shell? |
| 19:55.45 | Thanatermesis | abrotman cat /var/lib/apt/lists/*non-free* | egrep ^Package |
| 19:55.45 | Thanatermesis | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:55.49 | tehhh | MattUK2, ifconfig, ip, route, echo, etc ... |
| 19:55.55 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: i said that |
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| 19:56.22 | Thanatermesis | aha :) |
| 19:56.44 | Quibus | azeem, can you ask that friend if he knows why the dpkg-reconfigure didn't work? |
| 19:56.50 | r121 | I have a Fat32 partition. How can I mount it such that only one user (or group) can access it? |
| 19:56.50 | MattUK2 | tehhh: i need to change the gateway |
| 19:57.04 | tehhh | Matt-H, route add default gw ip-of-gateway |
| 19:57.15 | Enthusiast78 | Kralizec, Thanks. Just to let you know precisely what my problem is... Somebody thinks his Samba server is messing with his windows' local privileges and I just want to make sure that it's absolutely impossible that his particular samba installation could cause that. I just want to be sure. |
| 19:57.34 | tehhh | MattUK2 i meant |
| 19:57.34 | yos87 | Buu: Buy |
| 19:57.42 | disposable | r121: mount -o default,rw,users,umask=0000 |
| 19:57.42 | tehhh | but that depends on the situation ... |
| 19:57.49 | Kralizec | Enthusiast78: have you even got a domain? |
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| 19:58.12 | MattUK2 | tehhh: still nothing :( |
| 19:58.19 | Kralizec | Enthusiast78: it could only happen (AFAIK) if your samba were the domain controller |
| 19:58.27 | tehhh | MattUK2, those are really basic networking stuff which you should first learn from some "beginners guide" corner and then do anything else. |
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| 19:58.45 | MattUK2 | ok |
| 19:58.56 | tehhh | linux-ip.net is a good start point ;-) |
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| 19:59.25 | r121 | disposable: does that limit access to the partition to only one user? |
| 19:59.25 | Kralizec | Enthusiast78: if there's no domain, or if the samba server isn't the domain controller... then I can't see how it could happen |
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| 19:59.52 | r121 | disposable: I'm not entirely sure how umasks work |
| 20:00.09 | Enthusiast78 | Kralizec, It's the logon server, but it's Samba 2.2.3, I think it's too old to support these features... |
| 20:00.14 | tehhh | umask 0000 is rude ;-) |
| 20:00.19 | cshaman | hi all |
| 20:00.20 | disposable | r121: no. everyone can write. testing should have 'man umask' look it up |
| 20:00.30 | tehhh | r121, 0000 = 777 |
| 20:00.39 | gutano | anyone know if the cyrus imap server uses /etc/pam.d/cyrus, or /etc/pam.d/imap? |
| 20:00.59 | Kralizec | Enthusiast78: well, odds are the user messed up his own computer and now is looking for somebody to blame... |
| 20:01.20 | asg | gutano: /etc/pam.d/imap |
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| 20:01.26 | gutano | asg: thanks =D |
| 20:01.30 | asg | gutano: you're welcome |
| 20:01.31 | Kralizec | nobody here uses ganglia? |
| 20:01.33 | Enthusiast78 | Kralizec, That's exactly what I think, just wanted to be 99% sure. ;) |
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| 20:02.02 | cshaman | i'm having a bit of trouble with debian's menu system. i use the fluxbox wm, and i adjusted the session.menuFile attribute of .fluxbox/init to point to .fluxbox/menu instead of the default. |
| 20:02.09 | Kralizec | Enthusiast78: it's the new version of "the dog ate my homework" :D |
| 20:02.12 | cshaman | the problem is, i don't remember the default. |
| 20:02.34 | Quibus | valdyn, are you still here? |
| 20:02.53 | r121 | disposable: but I'm looking for a way to restrict access to one user. I tried setting permissions on the mount point but that didn't seem to work, should I try setting permissions on the device file? |
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| 20:03.16 | Kralizec | r121: man mount |
| 20:03.26 | asg | cshaman: dpkg -L fluxbox | grep menu |
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| 20:03.58 | Kralizec | r121: look for the fat options... namely uid, gid, umask and dmask |
| 20:04.23 | gnufan | r121: as Kralizec hints, you probably want mount option in /etc/fstab and not to mess with permissions as such. |
| 20:04.31 | Kralizec | r121: you can set the owner of the files to whoever you want and then set umask 0077 for them |
| 20:04.46 | r121 | Kralizec: sorry, I know, RTFM ;) but I've looked through it... I'll give those another look, thanks |
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| 20:04.58 | Kralizec | r121: there are specific options for fat systems |
| 20:05.02 | FlimFlamMan | is there something about famd + CIFS filesystem that sucks ass? |
| 20:05.08 | FlimFlamMan | (on sarge) |
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| 20:05.45 | Kralizec | r121: uid and gid sets the owner of the files (the user/grop to whom grant access) and with umask you set the permissions |
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| 20:06.39 | tehhh | have a nice day/night guys ;-) |
| 20:06.55 | r121 | Kralizec: ok, thanks, that sounds like what I was looking for, not sure why I didn't notice those before |
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| 20:07.36 | Kralizec | r121: :) |
| 20:07.37 | cshaman | asg, my ./~fluxbox/init file contains the following: this is an automatically generated file. please see /usr/share/doc/menu/README for info... so i'm sure that the file is part of the debian menu package |
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| 20:08.41 | quiet | okay... umm, bit of a problem, but not unfixable since I can boot to the old kernel: installed linux-image-2.6-686 (2.6.15-1-686) On Compaq Proliant 1600 with Compaq Smart Array 3200... 2.6.8 boots fine, sees device as /dev/ida/c0d0p1 2.6.15 has the same settings... fails during boot saying "ALERT! /dev/ida/c0d0p1 does not exist. Dropping to a shell!" Any ideas? |
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| 20:08.50 | asg | cshaman: well, if you remove your custom menu pointer from ~/.fluxbox/init, it should resume using the system menu automatically. |
| 20:08.52 | PunkPussy | I was wondering... Has anyone in here installed debian over an USB ethernet NIC? |
| 20:09.00 | citral | PunkPussy: yes |
| 20:09.13 | citral | uh no, usb stick |
| 20:09.14 | PunkPussy | citral, mine just doesn't seem to get detected |
| 20:09.29 | PunkPussy | I use a D-Link Dub-e100 |
| 20:09.30 | MattUK2 | is there any possibility to set DCHP on rather than manually routering the ethernet card? |
| 20:10.00 | MattUK2 | routing* |
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| 20:10.13 | PunkPussy | man interfaces ... :) |
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| 20:11.13 | dhuv | hello all |
| 20:11.15 | quiet | hehe... punkpussy and man interfaces in the same line makes me smile. |
| 20:11.54 | PunkPussy | why :) |
| 20:12.23 | PunkPussy | Well this is my backup nick. Used to get kicked out with it (eventhough its just good fun), but I forgot I had an XChat open :) |
| 20:13.18 | quiet | well, it would probably be more entertaining if PunkPussy was female. |
| 20:13.18 | asg | quiet: it would have been even better if citral had changed his nick to clitoral earlier to answer the question |
| 20:13.19 | quiet | lol |
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| 20:13.29 | dhuv | I am thinking of building a server with has dual Xenon CPUs and want to make sure that I can still use the intel x86 packages for that |
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| 20:13.36 | quiet | asg, haha!! yes. |
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| 20:13.45 | quittt | hey |
| 20:13.57 | citral | PunkPussy: from what I saw, you just have to load ehci-hcd and usbnet, but I let you google yourself |
| 20:14.06 | quittt | what is partition editing program? |
| 20:14.07 | Kralizec | btw, I recently migrated from hotplug to udev, and now it doesn't insert the modules for the hardware... it detects it, creates the /dev nodes... and that's it... what am I missing? |
| 20:14.23 | gutano | quittt: fdisk, or cfdisk |
| 20:14.35 | PunkPussy | citral, that works for any other distro... not for debian |
| 20:14.44 | dhuv | Kralizec: which hardware exactly |
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| 20:15.11 | PunkPussy | I've got a usb nic from a friend now... It's the DU-e100. Apparently its something completely different because this gets detected... |
| 20:15.18 | Kralizec | dhuv: ehci_hcd, ohci_hcd, usbmouse |
| 20:15.25 | Kralizec | dhuv: those were the most evident |
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| 20:15.35 | Quickimaster | hello |
| 20:15.50 | PunkPussy | citral, ehci or uhci or whatever, along with usbnet get loaded automatically anyway |
| 20:15.51 | citral | PunkPussy: that doesn't make any sense, it's the kernel that handles it. also what kernel are you installing with ? if older than 2.4.22, you have to load ax8817x |
| 20:16.13 | PunkPussy | citral, I'm trying it with Etch Beta2 now! |
| 20:16.25 | dhuv | Kralizec: what kind of errors are you getting. did you also check dmesg? |
| 20:16.28 | PunkPussy | Tried beta 1, some dailies, sarge... no go |
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| 20:16.38 | Quickimaster | has anybody an idea how i can get php5 without the need for libxml2? because this gives an error |
| 20:16.48 | PunkPussy | Du-e100 works, but the Dub-e100 doesn't... And i have to return this nick :( |
| 20:16.54 | Kralizec | dhuv: no errors... it's only that it doesn't inserts the modules at boot time |
| 20:16.58 | PunkPussy | grr NIC |
| 20:16.58 | Slecx | Just finished installing debian with netinst |
| 20:17.02 | Kralizec | dhuv: I have to manually modprobe them |
| 20:17.05 | gnufan | Wish me luck -- about to try new kernel on my laptop --- 4 hour compile to check one possible cause of a kernel bug report.... zzZZzzZZ |
| 20:17.15 | Kralizec | dhuv: and with hotplug it worked nicely |
| 20:17.18 | Slecx | So how is the right way to update it_ |
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| 20:17.39 | Slecx | I mean its real ugly atm, cant read much because the fonts and stuff are bad |
| 20:17.42 | dhuv | Kralizec: so you run modprobe manually and then what, do you get errors? |
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| 20:18.07 | cire | I am just trying to enable prism54 driver in 2.6.15 as module, but I cannot select it (---). wHAT DO i NEED TO BE ABLE TO SELECT IT? |
| 20:18.18 | citral | lowcaps? |
| 20:18.21 | cire | sorry, for uppercase |
| 20:18.24 | cire | sorry |
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| 20:18.31 | cire | capslock problem ;) |
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| 20:19.04 | KiD|Vidjeuh | hi |
| 20:19.32 | Kralizec | dhuv: no, I get the module loaded... that's what puzzles me |
| 20:19.35 | dhuv | Kralizec: so you just have to do it manually? hmmm, I dont know exactly, I just upgraded to 2.6.15 yesterday and it seems to work properly just like it did before, mouse and usb stick is working fine |
| 20:19.54 | KiD|Vidjeuh | if i install debian on my pc, can i than still play games ? That's my biggest concern ... |
| 20:19.57 | citral | cire: hmm, what makes you think you need to compile your kernel ? |
| 20:20.02 | Kralizec | dhuv: I installed hal as well, but it does the same |
| 20:20.04 | tristanmike | hello, I'm getting a gpg error via apt, can someone help fix please ? |
| 20:20.06 | Hessophanes | cire: Prism54 depends on PCI, NET_RADIO and EXPERIMENTAL (just checked in 2.6.16, but should be the same). |
| 20:20.09 | Ronin | Kralizec: yes but it also depends on the game as well |
| 20:20.17 | citral | KiD|Vidjeuh: dual-boot |
| 20:20.26 | Ronin | tristanmike: looked at teh topic? |
| 20:20.26 | dhuv | Kralizec: HAL and something else, hold on |
| 20:20.31 | KiD|Vidjeuh | what's that? |
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| 20:20.43 | citral | KiD|Vidjeuh: one partition with wondows, the other with debian, and on boot you choose |
| 20:20.43 | Kralizec | dhuv: thanks :) |
| 20:20.44 | tristanmike | Ronin, my apologies |
| 20:20.49 | Kralizec | Ronin: game? |
| 20:20.53 | KiD|Vidjeuh | ah |
| 20:21.06 | KiD|Vidjeuh | but, i have to buy another partition ? |
| 20:21.18 | citral | o_O |
| 20:21.19 | KiD|Vidjeuh | or can i split my hdd ? |
| 20:21.25 | Ronin | KiD|Vidjeuh: no you have to make a new partition on your current drive, assuming you have space of course |
| 20:21.26 | Enthusiast78 | Kralizec, LOL! (Sorry, I just read that!) |
| 20:21.29 | citral | with an axe yes |
| 20:21.34 | Slecx | which is the right way to update debian after stable netinst_ |
| 20:21.35 | quittt | where is grup editing page? |
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| 20:21.44 | quittt | grub |
| 20:21.50 | Kralizec | Enthusiast78: heh (nice lag, btw) :P |
| 20:21.53 | asg | quittt: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 20:21.58 | quittt | thanks! |
| 20:22.02 | KiD|Vidjeuh | so, i can game on partition c and do scripting and this on partition d |
| 20:22.02 | Enthusiast78 | Kralizec, Or 'somebody has lost my keys!' |
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| 20:22.08 | KiD|Vidjeuh | c = windows, d= linux |
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| 20:22.17 | Enthusiast78 | Kralizec, Not really, just talking on the phone! :P |
| 20:22.19 | KiD|Vidjeuh | ? |
| 20:22.26 | quittt | and how do I update grub now asg ? |
| 20:22.32 | cire | Hessophanes: What is NET_RADIO? |
| 20:22.36 | gnufan | Whats the right way to remove a 2.6.14 and 2.6.15 kernel packages (sid) from a box. It has a working 2.6.8 kernel package, but I want to clean out the others completely for testing a new one. apt-get remove li.....2.6.14-1-386 tried to install a -486 amongst other things. |
| 20:22.36 | asg | quittt: you don't have to, grub reads that file on boot |
| 20:22.42 | Slecx | which is the right way to update debian after stable ver installation? |
| 20:22.50 | citral | KiD|Vidjeuh: http://www.aboutdebian.com/dualboot.htm |
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| 20:22.55 | Slecx | I mean, its old, 2.4 kernel etc |
| 20:22.58 | Kralizec | Enthusiast78: well, that's lag, just not network lag ;) but yes, it seems to me it's a user trying to blame somebody |
| 20:23.01 | asg | Slecx: apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade. |
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| 20:23.11 | Slecx | which one is better |
| 20:23.17 | Enthusiast78 | Kralizec, many thanks for all the info, btw! |
| 20:23.17 | asg | Slecx: that means run both |
| 20:23.27 | Slecx | k |
| 20:23.32 | sp3000 | s/;/&&/ :) |
| 20:23.38 | citral | Slecx: 1) edit /etc/apt/sources.list 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 20:23.38 | Kralizec | Enthusiast78: no problem :) |
| 20:23.43 | azeem | Quibus: I didn't ask him specifically, I asked in another chan and he answered |
| 20:23.51 | asg | Slecx: the 2.4.27 kernel in stable will not increase numberwise. If you want a 2.6 one, apt-get install kernel-image (pick and install a suitable 2.6.8 kernel) |
| 20:23.54 | Gnea | wow, aptitude is truely retarded. |
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| 20:24.05 | Gnea | The following packages are unused and will be REMOVED: |
| 20:24.05 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:24.07 | Hessophanes | cire: That's the option that enables the whole Wireless subsection. Press '?' on an item to get the "internal" name it has... |
| 20:24.08 | KiD|Vidjeuh | thanks citral |
| 20:24.10 | Gnea | unused my ass.... |
| 20:24.22 | Slecx | where can I get sources that I could enter to the list_ |
| 20:24.29 | Ronin | Slecx: apt-setup |
| 20:24.36 | Hessophanes | cire: CONFIG_NET_RADIO is labeled "Wireless LAN drivers ...", so if you're seeing the Prism54 checkbox, you already have that enabled, I guess. |
| 20:24.47 | Kralizec | dhuv: I installed hal-device-manager as well, btw |
| 20:25.19 | GutterPunk | When you guys install Debian, I'm wondering, do you install the extra packages during the setup? or do you rather apt-get gnome for example at a later time? |
| 20:25.41 | asg | GutterPunk: I prefer to install only what I need after the base is up and running |
| 20:25.45 | Enthusiast78 | Gnea, Holy sh*t! |
| 20:25.45 | soc10path | i install as i need |
| 20:25.51 | Quibus | azeem, can I talk to him somewhere? I need an expert |
| 20:25.53 | Gnea | Enthusiast78: ? |
| 20:25.53 | cire | okay. I also cannot find the "PCI". under BUS, I have ISA and EISA and so on, but no PCI. |
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| 20:26.05 | GutterPunk | In Etch Beta2 there are 2 extra options: laptop and standard system... I'm on a laptop. Do I need the standard system? :D |
| 20:26.07 | gnufan | GutterPunk: always use apt - avoid dselect/tasksel -- they suck (sorry guys) |
| 20:26.12 | dhuv | Kralizec: make sure you have dbus 0.61 |
| 20:26.24 | citral | GutterPunk: come on.... |
| 20:26.25 | Kralizec | dhuv: ok, checking now... |
| 20:26.27 | Enthusiast78 | Gnea, I almost 'preach' for aptitude, but after what you just told us... :( |
| 20:26.40 | GutterPunk | I just like to keep things clean |
| 20:26.52 | citral | GutterPunk: chose latop |
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| 20:26.55 | citral | laptop |
| 20:26.57 | Gnea | Enthusiast78: yeah, this is the first time i've seen it do that |
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| 20:26.57 | Hessophanes | cire: Bus options -> PCI support. Is probably autoselected (and therefore displaying '---'). |
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| 20:27.08 | Kralizec | dhuv: ii dbus 0.61-4 simple interprocess messaging system |
| 20:27.13 | Slecx | apt-get dist-upgrade did nothing |
| 20:27.17 | Kralizec | dhuv: :( |
| 20:27.20 | Gnea | Enthusiast78: FYI, that's in sid |
| 20:27.22 | Ronin | Slecx: man apt-get |
| 20:27.23 | beardy | GutterPunk: The things you remember you can install during the setup, when aptitude or dselect is run, the other things afterwards, when you feel you need them. Skip tasksel, most of the times. |
| 20:27.35 | Kralizec | dinner time here... |
| 20:27.35 | Sonny | Hi.. is the same method to configure a printer with Cups in Gnome and KDE? |
| 20:27.36 | azeem | Quibus: did you manage to at least attempt using yaird for initrd generation? |
| 20:27.37 | soc10path | Slecx : apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 20:27.39 | Enthusiast78 | Gnea, Broken dependencies, perhaps? |
| 20:27.47 | Slecx | did them all |
| 20:27.47 | dhuv | does anybody know if Dual core Xenon or regular Xenon processors would be considered intel x86? |
| 20:27.51 | asg | Slecx: on a stable system, upgrade and/or dist-upgrade will only give you security fixes. If your system is up to date, nothing will be updated. |
| 20:27.56 | Ronin | doesnt work in what way Slecx |
| 20:28.02 | beardy | Enthusiast78: Nothing is perfect. Some things do more good than harm, that's what you have to measure things by. |
| 20:28.14 | Gnea | Enthusiast78: i'm not sure. |
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| 20:28.17 | citral | Sonny: the interface may be different, but cups and the drivers are the same, so basically yes |
| 20:28.30 | dhuv | Kralizec: make sure that you dont have any other versions installed there |
| 20:28.34 | Slecx | so how can I update/upgrade to unstable or even testing |
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| 20:28.50 | asg | Slecx: /msg dpkg stable->testing ; /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 20:28.51 | Enthusiast78 | beardy, That's the ultimate rule! :) |
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| 20:28.59 | Ronin | Slecx: why? is there something not in stable you need? |
| 20:29.01 | asg | Slecx: don't do it unless you have a compelling reason however. |
| 20:29.16 | Slecx | hm |
| 20:29.17 | cire | Okay. Sorry for those dumb questions. I have a very minimal kernel, because of that a lot of options have to be reenabled when doing changes. I can't get into "PCI hotplug support". But the prism module seems to need hotplug. Where can hotplug be enabled? |
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| 20:29.29 | Sonny | citral: because I had my printer working in gnome.. I moved to Kde (apt-get remove gnome) and it doent work now? |
| 20:29.35 | Ronin | sweet, its quitting time |
| 20:30.01 | citral | Sonny: sorry, I don't know kde (and I don't want to) |
| 20:30.11 | KiD|Vidjeuh | WARNING: Modifying the boot sector and partition table on a hard-drive is RISKY BUSINESS! Make sure you have a complete backup of your system, the original Windows CD, and the proper boot/recovery floppies before attempting to set up a dual-boot system. The commands given on this page worked for me. HOWEVER, that is no guarantee they will work for you or that you will make the correct selections. USE OF THIS PAGE IS AT YOUR OWN RISK. |
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| 20:30.19 | citral | oh my |
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| 20:30.23 | KiD|Vidjeuh | lol?? should i really do it ? |
| 20:30.43 | Hessophanes | cire: Could you check your settings regarding CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL? Code Maturity Level -> Prompt for incomplete... |
| 20:30.57 | Hessophanes | cire: PCI hotplug, too, depends on it. ;-) |
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| 20:31.23 | cire | Prompt for .... was not selected. |
| 20:31.24 | Sonny | lol |
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| 20:31.49 | Quibus | azeem, yes I did, and it didn't work |
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| 20:31.58 | Hessophanes | cire: Ah... please select. That should allow you to select PRISM54, and to enter the hotplug submenu. |
| 20:32.12 | Quibus | azeem, it said it couldn't read the output of some modprobe ccommand |
| 20:32.42 | Hessophanes | cire: (no, there's no direct dependency of PRISM54 on HOTPLUG, afaics) |
| 20:33.05 | cire | now I am able to select hotplug, but prism54 still is (---) |
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| 20:33.10 | GutterPunk | Hm, did anyone get his/her framebuffer console working in 1400x1050 mode? I used to be able to run this mode while running gentoo (it's ok to laugh now). Or do I need to patch/recompile the kernel with the vesafb patch? |
| 20:33.42 | Hessophanes | cire: "Prism GT/Duette..." is '---', but that's only a comment... below it should be a line labeled "Intersil Prism..." - _that's_ the PRISM54. |
| 20:34.04 | Eulex | GutterPunk, vesafb is included. check with hwinfo --framebuffer if your video card is able to do 1400x1050 when you us its vesa vbe interface. |
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| 20:34.41 | GutterPunk | Eulex, well yeah, vesafb is... but there's this vesafb-tng thing that enables extra options |
| 20:34.55 | Eulex | GutterPunk, that shouldn't be needed |
| 20:35.01 | cire | arghhhh. You're right!!! I just looked for the (---) to get away, so I didn't have a look for the other options. You're great, thanks! |
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| 20:35.55 | wewrrss | i want to get the info about machine running linux - i want to know does it have sdram or ddram, how can i do that from shel ?? |
| 20:35.59 | harleyg | hi |
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| 20:36.41 | Hessophanes | cire: You're welcome, no prob. :) |
| 20:37.21 | GutterPunk | Eulex, this mode appears to be supported... hmmm... only at 16 bits apparently. |
| 20:38.00 | Eulex | GutterPunk, heh, ok. anyway, vesafb-tng won't bring support for any more modes. |
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| 20:38.35 | quiet | is there any reason that when this server reboots, the monitor doesn't come back up?? |
| 20:38.42 | gnufan | argh if I built a kernel package without initrd -- can I get an initrd package out of the source tree without a full recompile (think hell freezing over?) |
| 20:38.45 | quiet | it goes the the amber light... ya know? |
| 20:38.52 | GutterPunk | Eulex, I was always in the impression :) thanks for enlightening me after all these years :) |
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| 20:39.20 | Eulex | GutterPunk, well, in some rare cases it will. but not in this case: http://dev.gentoo.org/~spock/projects/vesafb-tng/ |
| 20:39.23 | GutterPunk | Eulex, damn it works great :) thank you very much |
| 20:39.28 | Eulex | GutterPunk, yw :) |
| 20:39.53 | Eulex | GutterPunk, changing between color modes (16 bit, 24 bit) won't change the refresh rates |
| 20:39.53 | beardy | quiet: Switch it on? If it was off when you rebooted it's quite possible it stays off when the machine boots. |
| 20:40.09 | Quibus | azeem, so, as you may understand, I'm getting rather desperate |
| 20:40.25 | wewrrss | i want to get the info about machine running linux - i want to know does it have sdram or ddram, how can i do that from shel ?? |
| 20:40.37 | GutterPunk | Eulex, you're right |
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| 20:40.56 | GutterPunk | I was always trying 32 or 24 bit mode... never 16 |
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| 20:41.40 | Eulex | GutterPunk, heh, ok. |
| 20:43.28 | azeem | Quibus: you can reopen the bug, giving appropriate information |
| 20:43.35 | azeem | or file a new one |
| 20:43.51 | Quibus | azeem, I'm already mailing to the bug number and the maintainer of the package |
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| 20:44.23 | azeem | Quibus: good |
| 20:44.42 | Quibus | azeem, I was hoping that I could get a quicker solution via IRC. But you can count it: I'm continuously checking my gmail atm. |
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| 20:45.10 | surfdue | helloooo |
| 20:45.18 | surfdue | isnt debain better then gentoo? |
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| 20:45.34 | SimonRaven | !better |
| 20:45.34 | dpkg | better is probably a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 20:45.37 | SimonRaven | !debain |
| 20:45.38 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 20:45.42 | surfdue | im a debian user, being forced to use gentoo |
| 20:45.44 | surfdue | :P |
| 20:45.53 | SimonRaven | my condolences |
| 20:45.56 | SimonRaven | :P |
| 20:46.00 | azeem | surfdue: it's off-topic |
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| 20:46.12 | SimonRaven | seriously *i* wouldn't use it, but it's better than windoze |
| 20:46.18 | asg | surfdue: were that the case, you could install debian in a chroot *shrug* |
| 20:46.18 | SimonRaven | </ot> |
| 20:46.19 | surfdue | jee azeem im sorry /me bows to azeem |
| 20:46.23 | Phlexonance | is there a program do monitor cpu and mainboard temperature? |
| 20:46.29 | GutterPunk | Gentoo is a pain... |
| 20:46.35 | Silent_al | can u guys recommend a nice and easy irc daemon? |
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| 20:46.41 | surfdue | it really is emerge is the pain! |
| 20:46.45 | surfdue | apt-get is da bomb! |
| 20:47.04 | quiet | *sigh*, i removed & purged, and reinstalled the 2.6.15-1-686 kernel... and it STILL tells me /dev/ida/c0d0p1 doesn't exist... |
| 20:47.10 | Quibus | dpkg, start a distro war |
| 20:47.10 | dpkg | Kubuntu owns! |
| 20:47.15 | quiet | what do i have to do?? It worked fine on an IDE system |
| 20:47.17 | surfdue | NO IT DOSNT |
| 20:47.20 | surfdue | kde is bad! |
| 20:47.29 | Quibus | gee, it actually works |
| 20:47.33 | quiet | LOL |
| 20:47.40 | Silent_al | !lol |
| 20:47.40 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 20:47.42 | streuner | surfdue: are you here to annoy us? |
| 20:47.50 | Estes2 | surfdue, oh yeah ? what's bad with kde ? |
| 20:47.54 | quiet | !laugh |
| 20:48.01 | SimonRaven | streuner: apparently |
| 20:48.10 | Silent_al | !beer everybody |
| 20:48.19 | surfdue | nothing |
| 20:48.26 | Estes2 | surfdue, See ? no argument at all, get lost. |
| 20:48.26 | surfdue | im just starting a distro war with dpkg |
| 20:48.36 | surfdue | estes2 calm down mate. |
| 20:48.44 | Quibus | azeem, would it be useful to apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-*? |
| 20:48.57 | azeem | Quibus: no idea |
| 20:49.05 | Estes2 | thought you were serious, though... i'm not your mate as far i'm aware of :) |
| 20:49.15 | quiet | surely, someone has had this issue before? |
| 20:49.15 | azeem | Quibus: do you have your root partition on RAID or LVM or so? |
| 20:49.26 | Phlexonance | is there a program do monitor cpu and mainboard temperature? |
| 20:49.37 | Quibus | azeem, not at all |
| 20:49.49 | nicolas__ | Phlexonance: gkrellm ? |
| 20:49.56 | quiet | installed linux-image-2.6-686 (2.6.15-1-686) On Compaq Proliant 1600 with Compaq Smart Array 3200... 2.6.8 boots fine, sees device as /dev/ida/c0d0p1 2.6.15 has the same settings... fails during boot saying "ALERT! /dev/ida/c0d0p1 does not exist. Dropping to a shell!" Any ideas? |
| 20:50.09 | Phlexonance | nicolas__: thx, I'll try that |
| 20:50.31 | nicolas__ | Phlexonance: you might prefer your desktop environment applets for that if theyre available |
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| 20:50.45 | nicolas__ | and if youre using a desktop env |
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| 20:50.49 | gnufan | quiet: acpi=off as kernel parameter? |
| 20:51.24 | quiet | don't believe so, but i shall check... i do remember seeing a failure to load the acpi module during bootup.. but i'll check GRUB... hold on. |
| 20:51.43 | gnufan | quiet: I meant try it with 2.6.15 |
| 20:51.51 | quiet | oh, okay. |
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| 20:52.20 | quiet | that would cause it to not recongnize the raid array? |
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| 20:53.05 | gnufan | quiet: could cause almost any failure you care to mention these days... :( |
| 20:53.06 | Phlexonance | nicolas__: what do you mean? gkrellm has already a gui |
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| 20:53.43 | gnufan | quiet: I think driver changes more likely to be the cause, but it is worth checking for the sake of one boot attempt. |
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| 20:53.52 | abrotman | Phlexonance: he means like gdesklets for gnome users |
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| 20:54.39 | abrotman | !gdeskletse |
| 20:54.41 | abrotman | !gdesklets |
| 20:54.45 | abrotman | stupid bot |
| 20:55.05 | Shadowcat | !abrotman |
| 20:55.05 | dpkg | rumour has it, abrotman is someone we want to win the calendar poll on http://www.itsallpetesfault.org/ is also abrotman is http://abrotman.needs.help/, or obsessed with useless factoids, or "<abrotman> sgeigerbot: are you still sore at me?" |
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| 20:55.22 | Shadowcat | haha |
| 20:55.36 | quiet | gnufan, the odd this is... that during the boot, it sees all the scsi stuff.. it says "SCSI system initialized: scsi0: Adaptec AIC7XXX EISA/VLB/PCI SCSI HBA DRIVER...." etc |
| 20:55.44 | quiet | gnufan, btw..acpi-off didn't work |
| 20:55.49 | quiet | acpi=off* |
| 20:56.02 | nicolas__ | Phlexonance: i know, but if you were using a desktop env, they usually provides monitoring applets that would maybe look better |
| 20:56.23 | Eulex | !methinks that abrotman |
| 20:56.24 | dpkg | from memory, methinks that abrotman is not evil, he merely SMELLS that way |
| 20:56.29 | Phlexonance | nicolas__: what do you mean by desktop enviroment |
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| 20:56.57 | quiet | Phlexonance, gnome/kde/xfce |
| 20:56.59 | azeem | Phlexonance: something like KDE or GNOME |
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| 20:57.26 | nicolas__ | Phlexonance: gnome, kde, xfce |
| 20:57.34 | nicolas__ | sorry |
| 20:57.45 | Phlexonance | oh, I thought those where called x window manager |
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| 20:58.04 | quiet | window managers are fluxbox, openbox, jwm, etc |
| 20:58.13 | Quibus | metacity |
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| 20:58.19 | resiak | or indeed metacity, kwm and xfwm4 for gnome, kde and xfce4 respectively |
| 20:58.21 | Quibus | fvwm, twm |
| 20:58.26 | nicolas__ | Phlexonance: a desktop env is everything around a window manager |
| 20:58.29 | quiet | Phlexonance, windows managers do exactly what they say, desktop environments include apps that compliment the window manager |
| 20:58.48 | nicolas__ | including hardware monitoring applets |
| 20:58.56 | Phlexonance | the standard gkrellm gui kinda sucks, how do I get the KDE applet |
| 20:59.05 | Eulex | resiak, ain't it kalled kwin? :) |
| 20:59.22 | gnufan | Okay Debian kernel packages -- when I build one from the debian package source, following instructions in debian/README.build, it says split out the config.... am I going to get mindlessly lost here? I have a sinking feeling |
| 20:59.25 | quiet | Eulex, yep |
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| 21:00.20 | resiak | Eulex: :) |
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| 21:01.59 | Andy298 | im getting this error from CRON (Cron <root@webserver> /usr/sbin/rdate 128.2.136.71 | logger -t NTP) error is.... rdate: connect: Connection refused |
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| 21:03.00 | elvirolo | hi all |
| 21:03.04 | elvirolo | i use to have (on a different system) a dialog box which showed up whenever I inserted a CD into the CD drive, or plugged in a usb key etc. it doesn't work on my debian sid (kde 3.5.1) box though |
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| 21:04.00 | myname | hi |
| 21:04.02 | elvirolo | can anyone help me ? |
| 21:04.09 | Phlexonance | nicolas__: found out that mbmon is exactly what I needed =) |
| 21:04.10 | elvirolo | hi |
| 21:04.11 | myname | if i accidentally put a program in the background, how can i call it back? |
| 21:04.14 | myname | i can see it in the ps list |
| 21:04.21 | Phlexonance | nivolas__: thanks, cya |
| 21:04.22 | myname | but i accidentally suspended it |
| 21:04.32 | tubaman | myname, "fg" |
| 21:04.50 | Andy298 | im getting this error from CRON (Cron <root@webserver> /usr/sbin/rdate 128.2.136.71 | logger -t NTP) error is.... rdate: connect: Connection refused |
| 21:05.06 | myname | ok thanks1 |
| 21:05.20 | EleckttrusS | All the ways finish in Freedom! |
| 21:05.26 | EleckttrusS | All the ways finish in Debian! |
| 21:05.29 | skaffen-amitskaw | Andy298, it means that server is not offering the rdate service. Probably needs fixing in /etc/rdate.conf? |
| 21:05.38 | skaffen-amitskaw | brb |
| 21:05.43 | Phlexonance | I somehow forgot to make a swap partition during the installation, which steps are needed to make a swap partition and make the system use it as one |
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| 21:06.37 | skaffen-amitskaw | Andy - nope, no such file - it'll be bruried in hte cron configs.. How often? |
| 21:06.43 | quiet | use cfdisk to make it, makeswap it, swapon it, add it to fstab |
| 21:07.01 | Andy298 | every three hours - i know where it is - but need it correcting! |
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| 21:07.40 | Phlexonance | quiet: how big should it be? (1gb ram) |
| 21:08.06 | quiet | Phlexonance, you don't even really need one. |
| 21:08.08 | Andy298 | well i thought it knew where it is! not sure now! |
| 21:08.11 | elvirolo | do i have to install hal or something ? |
| 21:08.14 | quiet | however big you want it. |
| 21:08.16 | skaffen-amitskaw | Andy298, probly best to replace rdate with ntpdate, and google for public ntp servers.. |
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| 21:08.44 | Phlexonance | !swap |
| 21:08.44 | dpkg | from memory, swap is still a useful and good thing to have, even with lots of available memory: http://sourcefrog.net/weblog/software/linux-kernel/swap.html |
| 21:08.59 | quiet | how is it that this thing keeps failing becase it can't find /dev/ida/c0d0p1.... yet, that's what it boots from?? |
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| 21:09.07 | quiet | and the 2.6.8 kernel boots fine. |
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| 21:09.46 | DevilChaos | hi all |
| 21:10.08 | skaffen-amitskaw | Andy - cd to /etc/ and find . -exec grep -l rdate \{\} \; |
| 21:10.13 | DevilChaos | busy the day huh :) |
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| 21:10.36 | Andy298 | grep: ./rc0.d/K91apache2: No such file or directory |
| 21:10.44 | Andy298 | for rc0 - rc6 |
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| 21:12.30 | dasunt | I have a debian alpha which keeps kernel panicing whenver I try a stable netinst CD. |
| 21:12.45 | Shadowcat | !tell dasunt about specific |
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| 21:12.57 | Shadowcat | !tell dasunt about paste |
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| 21:14.09 | dasunt | 164LX Alpha. |
| 21:14.23 | dasunt | Give me a second, I'll give the exact error message. |
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| 21:14.45 | Phlexonance | quiet: cfdisk only lets me delete and create partitions, but I'd rather size down the partition I have instead of deleting it |
| 21:15.01 | quiet | Phlexonance, gparted |
| 21:15.01 | GutterPunk | argh what's the problem now... gdm tries to start, the X server won't start, I get this warning... but everything is locked up... my keyboard won't work |
| 21:15.02 | Shadowcat | cfdisk is not a partition resizer |
| 21:15.14 | Phlexonance | thx |
| 21:15.15 | GutterPunk | clean install + gnome... nothing else |
| 21:15.17 | dasunt | Phlexonance: There is GNU Parted. |
| 21:15.21 | Shadowcat | and, what quiet said |
| 21:15.25 | dasunt | Phlexonance: I haven't used that before. |
| 21:15.27 | Shadowcat | GutterPunk: on what, sarge? |
| 21:15.30 | quiet | Phlexonance, but with a G of ram.. you really don't "NEED" one. |
| 21:15.35 | GutterPunk | Shad0wcat, etch |
| 21:15.48 | Shadowcat | GutterPunk: broken package? |
| 21:16.01 | Phlexonance | quiet: dpkg says I need one =) |
| 21:16.18 | Gnea | quiet: with a G of ram, yes, you really DO |
| 21:16.20 | GutterPunk | Shad0wcat, I think it's my xserver config ... I noticed I didn't get to configure it while it was being installed |
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| 21:16.31 | quiet | Gnea, why?? |
| 21:16.41 | quiet | if it's just a desktop, he shouldn't even be touching swap |
| 21:16.43 | Gnea | quiet: oh, you think that a G can't be filled up easily? |
| 21:16.53 | GutterPunk | guess I'll just boot a live cd and chmod -x gdm |
| 21:16.58 | Gnea | shouldn't? |
| 21:17.02 | quiet | i do.. but it will also be swapped back out and managed appropriately. |
| 21:17.07 | Gnea | quiet: how do you know what he'll be running? |
| 21:17.30 | Phlexonance | dont have gparted and dont have it in my sources.list :/ |
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| 21:18.06 | Gnea | quiet: i have a G of ram, and without swap, it would hardlock every so often |
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| 21:18.38 | quiet | Gnea, point taken. |
| 21:18.40 | Gnea | quiet: that's like saying that windows shouldn't bother with a swapfile if it has 2 G's of ram |
| 21:18.54 | Phlexonance | is there another program capable of resizing partitions? |
| 21:19.09 | dasunt | Alpha on 164LX debian stable netinst message: At the "Installing the Debian base system" stage, the system always kernel panics at 40%: Unpacking required packages. |
| 21:19.17 | Gnea | !swap |
| 21:19.17 | dpkg | i guess swap is still a useful and good thing to have, even with lots of available memory: http://sourcefrog.net/weblog/software/linux-kernel/swap.html |
| 21:19.30 | dasunt | Message is: Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address 00000000000c (may have the wrong amount of 0s) |
| 21:19.46 | dasunt | Then: Kernel panic: Attempted to kill the idle task!\nIn idle task - not syncing. |
| 21:20.02 | dasunt | This is happening on 2 seperate 164LX machines. |
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| 21:21.34 | dasunt | A testing netinst CD fails at about the same point: During the "Installing the Debian base system". |
| 21:21.53 | zOap | how do I find the pid of a running app if it is out of the visible area of 'top'? |
| 21:22.06 | MatBoy | My master-user that I have changed in a MySQL replication on the slave will not change when I do a "Load data from master" |
| 21:22.12 | Quibus | azeem, it seems I've hit a bug in initramfs-tools: when using lilo, it is needed to rerun lilo, which wasn't done by the postinst script or so. The problem now is getting lilo to run in the chroot |
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| 21:22.42 | azeem | Quibus: I see |
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| 21:22.58 | Hessophanes | zOap: pidof |
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| 21:23.07 | Quibus | azeem: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=356850 |
| 21:23.18 | Quibus | azeem, or so the maintainer claims :P |
| 21:23.25 | zOap | Hessophanes, thanks:) |
| 21:23.28 | Phlexonance | how can I resize a partition |
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| 21:23.41 | utopio | hi all! |
| 21:24.21 | utopio | im lookign for a program that works like a photocopier: it read from a scanner and print in a printer, do we have something like that in debian? |
| 21:25.03 | utopio | i cant find something similar... so now im working in a small script to launch scanimage, convert the image and cat it to the printer.... |
| 21:25.08 | utopio | im am working for nothing? |
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| 21:25.55 | utopio | Phlexonance, check parted, or nparted |
| 21:26.07 | snoopy | hi |
| 21:26.58 | snoopy | does anyone know how to check a ntfs partition under debian? |
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| 21:27.16 | abrotman | for what? |
| 21:27.40 | asg | abrotman: bird flu |
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| 21:27.47 | quiet | !laugh |
| 21:27.49 | utopio | lol |
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| 21:28.28 | snoopy | i have a usb drive with a ntfs partition on it and now i must run chkdsk under windows but all my machines are debians |
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| 21:29.13 | Gnurdux | whats the mysql package called? |
| 21:29.19 | Shadowcat | msyql |
| 21:29.21 | asg | Gnurdux: mysql-server |
| 21:29.29 | Gnurdux | thanks |
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| 21:29.31 | utopio | snoopy, you cant as far as i know.... |
| 21:29.46 | Shadowcat | utopio: that's why I told him to go and install XP |
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| 21:29.58 | utopio | snoopy, but... |
| 21:30.03 | snoopy | i heard about fsck.ntfs |
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| 21:30.14 | Shadowcat | snoopy: DON'T |
| 21:30.16 | Shadowcat | that's experimental |
| 21:30.20 | Shadowcat | and SHOULD NOT BE USED |
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| 21:30.25 | Lin | hi all |
| 21:30.26 | utopio | snoopy, there are some DOS floppys arround that make that, and even some bootable cdroms |
| 21:30.28 | Shadowcat | did I mention that it SHOULD NOT BE USED? |
| 21:30.31 | ALVAN | hi .... ..can anyone help me with iptables pls? |
| 21:30.34 | Lin | hi all!! there is some way to force sectors (as: I want that file abc.txt be written on sector: 12345) while create iso images (with mkisofs)? |
| 21:30.40 | utopio | snoopy, but i dont know the names, and it isnt linux... |
| 21:30.42 | ALVAN | how can i redirect all the connections from my ip to a range of ports to a 127.0.0.1 single port |
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| 21:30.59 | snoopy | k thx |
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| 21:31.33 | cire | Hessophanes: Thanks again for your great help. Now my Webcam-Laptop is running. If you want to check out my webcam: www.cire.de/webcam. (sorry if this is decided to be spam, I tried msging you, but it's not allowed at this moment...). |
| 21:31.41 | GutterPunk | Bug in etch beta2 Xorg config... When giving the horizSync like 28-85 it ends up in xorg.conf like "2885" |
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| 21:32.16 | Hessophanes | cire: Fine that everything is running now! Glad I could help. |
| 21:33.00 | utopio | cire, hello cire, i see you in the sofa... its seems to work ;) |
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| 21:33.40 | cire | hehe |
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| 21:33.53 | ALVAN | how can i redirect all the connections from my ip to a range of ports to a 127.0.0.1 single port? |
| 21:34.04 | Gnurdux | see, my friend delete all my mysql tables |
| 21:34.13 | Gnurdux | andn ow, when tring to even start mysql |
| 21:34.15 | Gnurdux | 060315 16:28:54 [ERROR] Fatal error: Can't open and lock privilege tables: Table 'mysql.host' doesn't exist |
| 21:34.27 | Gnurdux | i dont care about, data, I just want to get it working! |
| 21:34.29 | GutterPunk | Where should I file bugs? The xorg config is way fucked... XkbLayout "fr-latin9" doesnt exist.. it's fr with XkbVariant latin9... |
| 21:34.44 | quiet | sounds like an awesome friend Gnurdux! |
| 21:34.49 | GutterPunk | 2nd issue in xorg.conf... |
| 21:34.56 | utopio | gtg bye bye |
| 21:35.05 | Gnurdux | quiet, hes sort of an enemy |
| 21:35.28 | quiet | you should NOT let him have access to your system than. |
| 21:35.33 | Gnurdux | i wont |
| 21:35.39 | ALVAN | how can i redirect all the connections from my ip to a range of ports to a 127.0.0.1 single port?pls using iptables? |
| 21:35.44 | Gnurdux | but how do I fix quiet ? |
| 21:35.44 | Hessophanes | Alvan: Redirect your own outgoing traffic? Just a guess: /sbin/iptables, using the mangle table... |
| 21:35.55 | quiet | Gnurdux, dpkg -P mysql-server then reinstall mysql-server |
| 21:36.09 | Quibus | You can all follow my pain here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354458 |
| 21:36.15 | ALVAN | nope ..not using the mangle table |
| 21:36.20 | Gnurdux | i dont want to delete it all though' |
| 21:36.31 | Gnurdux | users and perms are still there |
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| 21:36.54 | quiet | Gnurdux, not if the mysql table is deleted they aren't |
| 21:37.00 | Gnurdux | oh |
| 21:37.02 | Gnurdux | crap |
| 21:37.21 | matej_ | why i have to write dhclient when i start the computer, to have working network? |
| 21:37.24 | GutterPunk | I get a fatal error during X startup... it says "fixed font not found" |
| 21:37.30 | Gnurdux | damn |
| 21:37.36 | GutterPunk | What could be the problem? |
| 21:37.37 | ALVAN | Hessophanes, i know i must use DNAT or REDIRECT better but there it says is for nat only ..or i am wrong ? |
| 21:37.45 | GutterPunk | or what package should I install? |
| 21:37.50 | Gnurdux | The following packages have unmet dependencies. |
| 21:37.50 | Gnurdux | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.50 | Gnurdux | E: Broken packages |
| 21:37.51 | Gnurdux | :(( |
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| 21:37.53 | quiet | matej_, you don't if you add it to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:37.57 | quiet | matej_, man interfaces |
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| 21:38.00 | Gnurdux | sry |
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| 21:38.19 | quiet | Gnurdux, did you purge mysql-server-5.0? ? |
| 21:38.23 | Gnurdux | wait |
| 21:38.26 | Gnurdux | i know what happened |
| 21:38.29 | abrotman | are you mixing versions of debian? |
| 21:38.33 | matej_ | quiet, just dhclient or what? i read-fast interfaces, but...dont sure |
| 21:38.34 | Gnurdux | no |
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| 21:38.49 | Hessophanes | Alvan: DNAT rewrites the destination address just before the packet leaves your host, i.e. the interface where the packet goes out is already chosen. So with DNAT you can't do a true "redirect". |
| 21:39.17 | quiet | matej_, something like... 'inet eth0 dhcp' dunno right now.. the machine i'm on has static. |
| 21:39.17 | ALVAN | yes your right ...REDIRECT sounds better |
| 21:39.29 | Hessophanes | (someone correct me if I'm wrong... haven't played around with iptables for a while) |
| 21:39.35 | matej_ | quiet, aha..okey, tnx! |
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| 21:40.26 | Hessophanes | Alvan: Yes, looking at the manpage, REDIRECT sounds just fine (I didn't know that target before) |
| 21:40.39 | ALVAN | but ....if there where a faq somewhere or something similar ..iptables has to many options ... |
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| 21:40.59 | Hessophanes | Alvan: www.netfilter.org? |
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| 21:41.09 | ALVAN | :))i was there |
| 21:41.20 | matej_ | what is the best job, to install nvidia drivers? one-liner or what? Clean install etch |
| 21:41.25 | ALVAN | they use REDIRECT with nat only |
| 21:41.41 | ALVAN | so without one i dont know ..i have only one interface ... |
| 21:41.45 | valdyn | matej_: yep |
| 21:42.03 | Hessophanes | Ah, I see... hm. It says REDIRECT is only valid in the nat table, but that's no problem by itself. |
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| 21:42.10 | ALVAN | there all the examples are on 2 interfaces |
| 21:42.19 | matej_ | valdyn, why developers cant make a pkg with nvidia and ciao ? =) |
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| 21:42.28 | Hessophanes | Just make sure you have basic NAT support enabled (iptables_nat module, or compiled into the kernel) |
| 21:42.44 | Hessophanes | (Correction: iptable_nat) |
| 21:42.51 | valdyn | matej_: because they don't predict which kernel you will be running |
| 21:43.19 | ALVAN | Hessophanes, the modules are compiled into the kernel and are loaded |
| 21:43.44 | matej_ | valdyn, oh..of course =) |
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| 21:44.00 | Hessophanes | Alvan: Well, then I'd simply give it a try. ;) |
| 21:44.07 | pinucset | when will xorg7 enter in unstable? |
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| 21:44.14 | ALVAN | i did but no actions |
| 21:44.30 | valdyn | pinucset: when its ready |
| 21:44.41 | ALVAN | the programs still wanna connect to the default ip |
| 21:44.50 | ALVAN | not the REDIRECT one |
| 21:44.58 | Hessophanes | Alvan: What exactly did you insert into the nat table? |
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| 21:45.07 | Hessophanes | (and into which chain?) |
| 21:45.16 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 21:45.16 | dpkg | from memory, iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, somewhat like ipchains was in 2.2.. NOT a virgin, see ipchains, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help |
| 21:45.26 | valdyn | pinucset: should be quite soon as the TODO list is quite empty |
| 21:45.34 | RolandU | hi all! anyone know a 802.11g usb adapter that works without any installation and without any problems in sarge? |
| 21:45.38 | matej_ | oh, valdyn: is there a command to remove program with all depencies? not apt-get remove program couse depencies stay installed :( |
| 21:46.07 | valdyn | matej_: no |
| 21:46.28 | valdyn | matej_: what exactly are you talking about ? |
| 21:46.38 | ALVAN | i insert this $IPT -A tcp_inbound -s 0/0 --destination-port 8000 -j REDIRECT --to-port 6667 |
| 21:46.39 | syntaxis | matej_: if you use aptitude instead, it remembers what's dragged in as dependencies, then removes them for you when the package is uninstalled |
| 21:46.53 | valdyn | matej_: aptitude offers something similar, but you cant apply that backwards |
| 21:47.00 | abrotman | !tell ALVAN about iptables |
| 21:47.19 | matej_ | valdyn, aptitude..but what about apt-get? |
| 21:47.38 | Hessophanes | Alvan: Ok, that's a user-defined chain... and it's not the nat table... '-t nat'... |
| 21:47.51 | ALVAN | i know |
| 21:47.54 | valdyn | matej_: nada, which package(s) are you talking about? |
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| 21:48.22 | ALVAN | but i dont have a nat phisically ..so i puted there |
| 21:48.28 | ChrisW | how do I geenrate a .pem from a .crt? |
| 21:48.46 | ALVAN | abrotman, on #iptables nobody is on .. |
| 21:48.51 | matej_ | valdyn, all..nothing centered...just asking..couse you get trash on you system ..couse that command :) |
| 21:48.59 | GutterPunk | How do I get my font server working please? |
| 21:49.01 | abrotman | ALVAN: did you try reading netfilter.org or lartc.org ? |
| 21:49.06 | abrotman | ALVAN: how long did you wait .. 12 seconds?> |
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| 21:49.11 | ALVAN | ok i will put it in nat too and give a try |
| 21:49.11 | GutterPunk | Apparently this is the problem which causes X not to start |
| 21:49.18 | ALVAN | netfilter.org the web yes |
| 21:49.18 | valdyn | matej_: not really |
| 21:49.19 | matej_ | valdyn, so what are u using for removing pkgs ? |
| 21:49.24 | abrotman | ALVAN: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 21:49.32 | Hessophanes | Alvan: I'd try nat table, OUTPUT chain. |
| 21:49.37 | ALVAN | ok |
| 21:49.44 | abrotman | ALVAN: or you could have taken Hessophanes to #iptables with you |
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| 21:49.54 | valdyn | matej_: i figure out what i want to remove and remove it, that simple ) |
| 21:50.08 | matej_ | valdyn, with --purge? :) |
| 21:50.20 | EmleyMoor | Is there a good .kar player for Debian? I have compiled gkaraoke but it runs very badly! |
| 21:50.33 | abrotman | :sing |
| 21:50.34 | valdyn | matej_: purge has nothing to do with what you asked |
| 21:50.34 | abrotman | !sing |
| 21:50.35 | dpkg | Everybody's got a water buffalo, yours is fast but mine is slow..... http://www.bpfh.net/stories/tcp-towers/water-buffalo.html |
| 21:50.56 | matej_ | valdyn, i know, but it removes all what stay of pkgs :> |
| 21:51.26 | myren | how do i set the widht of a column? <td width="200px"> <td width="200"> <td style="width: 200px;"> ?? |
| 21:51.35 | asg | myren: #html |
| 21:51.37 | abrotman | myren: #web |
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| 21:51.42 | myren | whoops |
| 21:51.54 | CoolCubix | Hi ! I've just discovered that my principal partition went out of space... I'm trying to remove some files not very important in order to make space for the system, but i would like to know if someone had an idea of not what i could remove quickly... |
| 21:52.05 | EmleyMoor | I am timidity-dependent - could that be an obstacle? |
| 21:52.05 | myren | glad to know there's an alternative to #web |
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| 21:52.26 | valdyn | CoolCubix: apt-cache show localepurge |
| 21:52.31 | abrotman | CoolCubix: and what partition is that? |
| 21:52.37 | Seb | CoolCubix: try apt-get clean to start with |
| 21:52.39 | matej_ | valdyn, what apt-get remove pkg* do? |
| 21:52.47 | CoolCubix | abrotman> hda1 |
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| 21:52.54 | abrotman | CoolCubix: mount point ? |
| 21:52.58 | CoolCubix | yes |
| 21:53.09 | Daedalus_ | CoolCubix: what mount point? /usr? |
| 21:53.11 | valdyn | matej_: that's a stupid command |
| 21:53.18 | matej_ | valdyn, why? |
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| 21:53.35 | valdyn | matej_: i have no fucking clue which files named pkg* you have in your current working directory |
| 21:53.37 | CoolCubix | hda1 is / |
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| 21:54.05 | Daedalus_ | CoolCubix: best way to free up space is to clean up files in /home (aka your personal files) |
| 21:54.05 | CoolCubix | and it's completely full. only /home (so my data) are not on the same partition that / |
| 21:54.14 | Daedalus_ | CoolCubix: ah |
| 21:54.16 | CoolCubix | :) |
| 21:54.48 | matej_ | valdyn, that is example - pkg - program. so pkg* is not a name .. apt-get remove pkg* is maybe command which i was looking :> |
| 21:55.10 | valdyn | matej_: no, its a stupid command, dont ever use it |
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| 21:55.22 | matej_ | valdyn, hm..couse? |
| 21:55.25 | Daedalus_ | CoolCubix: well, in a pinch, you can do kind of a hack where you move all of , say, /var to /home/var delete /var and then make a symbolic link from /var to /home/var |
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| 21:55.34 | valdyn | matej_: because pkg* is expanded by your shell |
| 21:55.48 | matej_ | valdyn, aha..okey, tnx |
| 21:56.06 | CoolCubix | uhh... why not, it's a kind of strange, but why not |
| 21:56.06 | Daedalus_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:56.24 | CoolCubix | and how could i resize the partition ? |
| 21:56.34 | romulo | can anyone tell me if theres a way to bind shortcut keys to epiphany menus? |
| 21:56.40 | romulo | other than the default ones |
| 21:57.00 | CoolCubix | i'm seeing that 7GB is too much for me xD |
| 21:57.08 | CoolCubix | too few* |
| 21:57.14 | Daedalus_ | CoolCubix: there apparently are programs to do that, but I've never used them. qtparted, or partition magick perhaps |
| 21:58.09 | CoolCubix | okay, thanks. Do you have an idea of "purge" programs like 'localepurge' (as said above) ? |
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| 21:59.11 | foo | Hmm, I just finished making a kernel from what the bot said .. and I get this booting into it: VFS: Cannot open root device "hdb1" or unknown-block(0,0)... Please append a correct "root=" boot option... Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) ... any ideas? |
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| 22:00.57 | CoolCubix | foo> i saw this problem before. I solved it by booting with my last working kernel, then i made a 'initrd' with 'mkinitrd', and it worked |
| 22:01.23 | tr1gg3r | foo: do u have the right root= line as the kernel boot param? did u compile support for ur filesystem type and hd controller driver into ur kernel? (if they are modules u need an initrd) |
| 22:01.42 | valdyn | !u |
| 22:01.42 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 22:01.49 | tr1gg3r | heh |
| 22:01.56 | EmleyMoor | Is there any way I can use kmid with timidity? |
| 22:02.08 | foo | CoolCubix: Cool. Thanks. The help didn't tell me to do that. I'll try that now. |
| 22:02.12 | valdyn | EmleyMoor: what is kmid? |
| 22:02.33 | quiet | okay, can someone PLEASE help me with this?? |
| 22:02.42 | quiet | installed linux-image-2.6-686 (2.6.15-1-686) On Compaq Proliant 1600 with Compaq Smart Array 3200... 2.6.8 boots fine, sees device as /dev/ida/c0d0p1 2.6.15 has the same settings... fails during boot saying "ALERT! /dev/ida/c0d0p1 does not exist. Dropping to a shell!" Any ideas? |
| 22:02.50 | EmleyMoor | valdyn: a MIDI/Karaoke player for KDE |
| 22:02.54 | CoolCubix | foo> really : i don't lie, i have _exactly_ the same error writed on a paper in front of me, (on my case, it's hda1) |
| 22:03.06 | valdyn | EmleyMoor: timidity can emulate 'real' midi devices, so i'd bet you can.. |
| 22:03.46 | EmleyMoor | valdyn: Well, yes, I am aware of the theory, I just don't have a clue how to do it in practice |
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| 22:04.23 | valdyn | EmleyMoor: looking.. |
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| 22:04.55 | bwoy | hi |
| 22:05.04 | bwoy | i'm bwoy |
| 22:05.11 | bwoy | can someone help me finding out whats stealing all memory on my debianbox? |
| 22:05.15 | bwoy | thx |
| 22:05.33 | asg | bwoy: top |
| 22:05.40 | valdyn | EmleyMoor: let timidity emulate an alsa midi device, pick that device in kmid settings, thats it |
| 22:05.41 | quiet | you're using gnome huh?? the gnomes take it. |
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| 22:05.55 | bwoy | i havent got x installed |
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| 22:06.01 | Blissex | bwoy: the ultimate answer is ''well paid developers''. :-) |
| 22:06.13 | EmleyMoor | valdyn: There we fall down again - it's how to let it that loses me |
| 22:06.18 | bwoy | the 'only' thing installed is glftpd and samba |
| 22:06.23 | bwoy | and top doesnt make any sense |
| 22:06.24 | quiet | bwoy, i think you just don't understand Linux memory management |
| 22:06.30 | valdyn | EmleyMoor: timidity -iA |
| 22:06.32 | bwoy | quiet: that might be correct yes :P |
| 22:07.02 | bwoy | Mem: 905404k total, 899492k used, 5912k free, 18492k buffers |
| 22:07.11 | quiet | bwoy, try 'free' |
| 22:07.13 | bwoy | and it hardly uses any swaparea |
| 22:07.15 | bwoy | ok |
| 22:07.30 | bwoy | can i paste results in here? |
| 22:07.39 | quiet | how many lines? |
| 22:07.46 | bwoy | 4 |
| 22:07.51 | quiet | best use pastebin |
| 22:07.56 | jazbo | Is it possible to limit the percentage of the CPU that a given process is allowed to use? |
| 22:08.06 | jazbo | Or user? |
| 22:08.32 | bwoy | quiet: http://pastebin.com/604338 |
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| 22:08.58 | quiet | bwoy, holy crap. |
| 22:09.02 | quiet | what are you running? |
| 22:09.14 | foo | CoolCubix: haha. thanks. hmm. mkinitrd what? |
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| 22:09.29 | bwoy | quiet: glftpd with eggdrop and samba |
| 22:09.41 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm... it's producing no sound - or just a burst when I stop the song |
| 22:09.43 | bwoy | something is wrong right? :) |
| 22:09.45 | quiet | bwoy, and a few dozen users? |
| 22:09.59 | bwoy | yeah well just 2 online |
| 22:10.10 | bwoy | no real action going on |
| 22:10.14 | CoolCubix | huh, IIRC, i've just put basic arguments |
| 22:10.27 | bwoy | <quiet> bwoy, holy crap. <--- i like the sound of that :P |
| 22:10.31 | CoolCubix | i'm going to see man page |
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| 22:10.45 | quiet | i'm not an expert by any means... but it seems like something is hogging... what did top show?? |
| 22:10.48 | quiet | pastebin that. |
| 22:11.08 | bwoy | ok.. |
| 22:11.10 | bwoy | hang on |
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| 22:11.48 | ALVAN | Hessophanes, i did this $IPT -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -s 0/0 --dport 8000 -j REDIRECT --to-ports 6668 so ..i think any connections that i made to any ip on port 8000 would be redirect to port 6668 |
| 22:11.50 | bwoy | quiet: http://pastebin.com/604343 |
| 22:11.50 | foo | CoolCubix: maybe try history | grep mkinit |
| 22:12.09 | bwoy | I don't know what sort order to put |
| 22:12.15 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm! It is ridiculous only getting the note on which I stop the song |
| 22:12.18 | CoolCubix | foo> i made it one or two month ago... i'm trying to remember |
| 22:12.20 | ALVAN | but is still making connection to the ip |
| 22:12.29 | abrotman | ALVAN: could you please go to #iptables .. there are many more people there who could catch obvious errors that Hessophanes may miss .. take him with you if you wish .. but you seem to be doing something fairly complicated that they might know more about |
| 22:12.29 | ALVAN | not to REDIRECT one |
| 22:12.44 | CoolCubix | foo> i've made something like 'cd /boot' then 'mkinitrd -o initrd-2.6.15 2.6.15' |
| 22:12.46 | ALVAN | went there ...but no answers |
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| 22:12.50 | CoolCubix | see man mkinitrd |
| 22:12.57 | foo | CoolCubix: ahhh. hmm. |
| 22:13.05 | abrotman | ALVAN: that's why i'm suggesting taking Hessophanes with you .. but honestly .. you're asking something they should know more about |
| 22:13.21 | CoolCubix | foo> in fact, the version number is there to check your 'module' path |
| 22:13.26 | abrotman | ALVAN: i've gotten fantastic help in there .. but i usually have to wait a bit |
| 22:13.38 | quiet | bwoy, i'm not sure man. |
| 22:13.41 | abrotman | ALVAN: what version of debian are you running? |
| 22:13.49 | ALVAN | i wait 15 minutes and no answers |
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| 22:14.00 | abrotman | !piav |
| 22:14.01 | dpkg | Patience is a virtue - just wait and someone will answer you. |
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| 22:14.07 | bwoy | quiet: I might not understand the basics of memory management in linux but something must be wrong no? |
| 22:14.11 | ALVAN | abrotman, sorry i am not running debian |
| 22:14.15 | CoolCubix | so if your modules are in a path like modules/my-super-kernel-which-rox-2.6.15.2 , you'll have to give my-super-kernel-which-rox-2.6.15.2 |
| 22:14.17 | quiet | bwoy, looks that way. |
| 22:14.21 | ALVAN | i came here for answwers |
| 22:14.30 | matej_ | hm..why udev doesnt do the job, and mount my dvd and flash? |
| 22:14.35 | abrotman | ALVAN: SO GO TO #iptables .. it's more suited to #iptables .. and it is certainly not related to Debian .. at all |
| 22:14.45 | bwoy | Does anyone know how to find out that resources are stealing the most memory in debian? |
| 22:14.48 | LSorensen | matej_: udev doesn't deal with mounting. It deals with loading drivers and creating /dev entries |
| 22:14.49 | bwoy | what* |
| 22:14.52 | abrotman | bwoy: top ? |
| 22:15.06 | Hessophanes | bwoy, quiet: Your 'free' output seems pretty normal... adding buffers and cache in, you have 826Megs free... |
| 22:15.06 | bwoy | Yeah sure I'm running top, but it doesn't help me :/ |
| 22:15.07 | foo | CoolCubix: hmm, got the same thing. Bummer. I'll show you the command I did. |
| 22:15.19 | matej_ | LSorensen, yes, but hal and dbus must mount stuff in kde3.5.1 |
| 22:15.20 | bwoy | I have like 5 MB free? |
| 22:15.45 | Hessophanes | Look at the second line free prints, starting "-/+ buffers/cache", and there the column "free". |
| 22:15.47 | matej_ | LSorensen, LOL! dbus and hal doesnt comes with kde? Sry. |
| 22:15.48 | abrotman | bwoy: sort by memory usage in top |
| 22:16.02 | ALVAN | i know abrotman ......but i usually want to talk to someone who knows ... |
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| 22:16.20 | matej_ | LSorensen, installed but still doesnt work |
| 22:16.21 | ALVAN | maybe i will be lighting me more |
| 22:16.24 | bwoy | so buffers and cache should be (sort of) counted in the total free memory? |
| 22:16.34 | abrotman | ALVAN: which is why i'm telling you to go to #iptables .. ask Hessophanes to go with you .. your conversation with him there may spark others to join in |
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| 22:16.59 | Hessophanes | bwoy: Well, look at top, sort by resident size, and add up... you'll get about the value of the "used" column in the second line of free. ;) |
| 22:17.16 | ALVAN | ok ... Hessophanes you could join #iptables ..if you want? |
| 22:17.19 | abrotman | Hessophanes: are you willing to go to #iptables with ALVAN ? |
| 22:17.44 | Hessophanes | It's the same here - the first line tells me I've got 20Megs free, but adding cache, I'm at 350M. |
| 22:17.52 | Hessophanes | abrotman,Alvan: Just a sec. ;) |
| 22:18.00 | ALVAN | ok |
| 22:18.03 | foo | CoolCubix: box:/boot# mkinitrd -o initrd-2.6.14.7 2.6.14.7 - that's what I did. This is the kernel I am building ... linux-2.6.14.7 .. hm. |
| 22:18.20 | abrotman | ALVAN: Hessophanes: thank you |
| 22:18.37 | bwoy | Hessophanes: I'm with u, this far. But looking at %MEM .. all items on top have like 0.3% .. 0.5% .. it does not sum up to 90%-ish, not anywhere near 100%. |
| 22:18.49 | EmleyMoor | Is there a HOWTO pertaining to using timidity in ALSA server mode? |
| 22:19.00 | abrotman | !timidity |
| 22:19.00 | dpkg | i heard timidity is a great midi player, using timidity-patches (gravis ultra sound) it sounds perfect, (try these switches too -in or -ig), grab few midis from http://www.classicgaming.com/tmk/midi.shtml, or http://www.stardate.bc.ca/eawpatches/html/get_patches.htm |
| 22:19.22 | abrotman | dpkg: timidity =~ s/shtml,/shtml/ |
| 22:19.22 | dpkg | abrotman: OK |
| 22:19.45 | Hessophanes | bwoy: No, I meant sort by Resident Size (O q), and then add the resident sizes of the largest processes up. That should give you an idea of the truly "used memory". |
| 22:19.50 | abrotman | ALVAN: also .. have you checked lartc.org ? |
| 22:19.58 | ALVAN | ok |
| 22:20.15 | bwoy | Hessophanes: Thanks. So all in all, there's nothing dramatically wrong with my two pastebins? |
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| 22:20.35 | Hessophanes | bwoy: No, looks fine to me. |
| 22:21.00 | bwoy | good to hear, u have been very helpful. appreciate. |
| 22:21.01 | Skrot | Hi. How can I tell debian to load a certain module (ipw2200) with a special argument (poll=1 or led=1)? |
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| 22:21.44 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm... not just kmid exhibiting the problem... |
| 22:22.17 | abrotman | Skrot: man modprobe should help .. or point you to a conf file |
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| 22:22.44 | EmleyMoor | Ah - got it! |
| 22:22.58 | valdyn | Skrot: grep option /etc/modprobe.d/* |
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| 22:24.45 | edrin | does debian testing/sarge accept spoofed ARP modifications? |
| 22:24.48 | bwoy | when adobe photoshop and a musicsoftware called reason runs on linux - i'm switching to linux on my workstation (and I'm a pure windows-addict hehe) .. |
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| 22:25.02 | matej_ | udev detects sda, but hal doesnt mount it in kde3.5.1 etch..what could be wrong? |
| 22:25.16 | abrotman | bwoy: what does reason do? |
| 22:25.46 | bwoy | i make music in it. |
| 22:25.50 | abrotman | bwoy: gimp is ok for some image stuff .. and there are SVG editors also |
| 22:25.50 | bwoy | www.propellerheads.se |
| 22:25.51 | bwoy | ;) |
| 22:26.06 | abrotman | bwoy: moment |
| 22:26.08 | bwoy | I've tried gimp on windows - and did not like it im afraid |
| 22:26.29 | abrotman | how long ago? |
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| 22:26.37 | abrotman | bwoy: http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/08/04/2014227&tid=75 |
| 22:26.38 | bwoy | few months ago |
| 22:27.04 | linenoise | Hello chan... I'm researching a problem I am having with apt. My error is: W: GPG error: Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: |
| 22:27.11 | Ronin | linenoise: /topic |
| 22:27.29 | abrotman | bwoy: granted .. my music needs are pretty low for my own purposes .. i mostly stick to audacity |
| 22:27.36 | Estes2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:27.37 | linenoise | duh... sorry, it scrolled off the top (so many users!) |
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| 22:27.54 | linenoise | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:27.57 | ma3x | can someone help me with audio encoding please? |
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| 22:28.02 | bwoy | Estes2: was that for me? |
| 22:28.13 | Estes2 | for anyone willing to answer me |
| 22:28.16 | ma3x | I'm trying to choose the best quality here, and it goes like this: -b b[,v,[q,[m]]] |
| 22:28.18 | ma3x | audio encoder bitrate kBits/s[,vbr[,quality[,mode]]] [128,0,5,0] |
| 22:28.26 | ma3x | now what should I specify? |
| 22:28.44 | ma3x | -b 336 0 5 2 ? |
| 22:28.44 | ma3x | or how does it go? |
| 22:29.01 | linenoise | Is there a simple explanation for why I have to do all that to make it go? |
| 22:29.17 | vhuren | how do you recursively move files |
| 22:29.19 | Ronin | Estes2: dont know about user friendly but newbie friendly almost always entails a gui |
| 22:29.22 | vhuren | like cp -R |
| 22:29.24 | vhuren | whats the mv tag |
| 22:29.25 | vhuren | ? |
| 22:29.32 | bwoy | abrotman: im gonna look into audacity. |
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| 22:29.37 | Estes2 | vhuren, mv does recusively |
| 22:30.04 | abrotman | bwoy: i used audacity for recording .. it has some effects .. but it can do multiple channels etc |
| 22:30.12 | bwoy | ah |
| 22:30.13 | linenoise | I mean. Wasn't that a show stopper on the install CD? |
| 22:30.17 | bwoy | no software synths then ;) |
| 22:30.26 | Estes2 | vhuren, man mv |
| 22:30.31 | linenoise | Or is this a user error somehow? |
| 22:30.34 | abrotman | bwoy: audacity .. no .. but there are other tools .. that's why i gave you that link |
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| 22:31.28 | abrotman | bwoy: you might even try an "Ask Slashdot" kind of question ... |
| 22:31.40 | linenoise | I guess I'm asking if this bug should keep me from introducing people to Debian? |
| 22:31.50 | linenoise | For the short term |
| 22:31.52 | bwoy | abrotman, u lost me.. what? :) |
| 22:31.54 | vhuren | estes2: I tried doesnt show anything |
| 22:32.04 | Estes2 | O_o ??!!! |
| 22:32.20 | Estes2 | vhuren, when you type 'man mv' you get nothing ? |
| 22:32.32 | vhuren | it doesnt show the tag |
| 22:32.40 | vhuren | err.. i read and cant find the copy dirs one |
| 22:33.00 | abrotman | bwoy: you know .. "Ask Slashdot" .. on slashdot.org .. ask something like "I'm a musical kind of guy, and i'd like to do my composition in Linux, but i can't find all the tools i need. I'm looking for ___ and ____, and maybe ____. Could the slashdot crowd help me find those tools?" |
| 22:33.00 | Estes2 | vhuren http://public.research.att.com/~gsf/man/man1/mv.html |
| 22:33.12 | Estes2 | vhuren, it will move the directories too |
| 22:33.19 | bwoy | ah okie |
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| 22:33.38 | vhuren | thanx |
| 22:33.43 | Ronin | linenoise: not a bug, they just did a key update as i recall |
| 22:33.46 | linenoise | Can someone point me to a link to an explanation of the gpg weirdness so I can explain it to Non-Debian people?? |
| 22:33.50 | Estes2 | mv /usr/dir /home will move /usr/dir to /home recursively |
| 22:33.57 | Estes2 | yw |
| 22:34.00 | linenoise | Ronin: that's a very narrow definition of the word bug. ;) |
| 22:34.08 | Ronin | an updates not a bug |
| 22:34.14 | Coweater | linenoise: it's not a bug, and it's not weird, the keys are changed annually |
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| 22:34.25 | linenoise | Ronin: It's not a bug, they just did <action that breaks important piece>. |
| 22:34.41 | Coweater | and it's not broken |
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| 22:34.43 | linenoise | Coweater: I've never had a problem like this before and I've been running debian for a lot longer than a year |
| 22:34.52 | abrotman | bwoy: i haven't seen anything like that on slashdot in a while ... |
| 22:34.54 | Estes2 | abrotman, is there an "history" of all those questions somewhere ? |
| 22:34.58 | dannythm | hello |
| 22:35.02 | abrotman | Estes2: on slashdot? |
| 22:35.06 | Estes2 | yes |
| 22:35.09 | Coweater | still works just fine, but they aren't verified |
| 22:35.14 | abrotman | read the ask slashdot archives? |
| 22:35.14 | dannythm | I have some problems with my azureus in etch... |
| 22:35.22 | linenoise | I'm not looking for an argument. I just want to be able to tell my friend what's going on when he uses his install iso and finds apt is broken. |
| 22:35.24 | Ronin | linenoise: and its common knowledge, even on the website as i recall |
| 22:35.25 | Estes2 | hum, will take a look at it |
| 22:35.36 | dannythm | I would say a problem, but it's just it aparently works fine, but it DON'T works fine |
| 22:36.30 | dannythm | won't connect to any peer or lecher, and I have the ports opened and all righ configured, but it just won't download or connect to anythyng |
| 22:36.35 | abrotman | Estes2: bwoy: http://slashdot.org/search.pl?tid=4&query=Music&author=&sort=1&op=stories .. etc |
| 22:36.39 | linenoise | Ronin: The commonality of the knowledge isn't what I'm interested in. Not to be a wanker. ;) I mean. For all intents and purposes, it's broken. There are lots and lots of ways of looking at broken, but from a user perspective, there's only one. "does it go?" |
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| 22:36.53 | dannythm | ca anybody help me? last week when I had sarge it worked really well |
| 22:36.54 | elpolilla | hi |
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| 22:36.59 | snoopy | gn8 @ all |
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| 22:37.13 | Coweater | linenoise: it's not broken, it simply reports things are not verified |
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| 22:37.30 | bwoy | Can adobe photoshop be used via this Wine-thing? |
| 22:37.36 | Estes2 | abrotman, thanks :) |
| 22:37.38 | linenoise | Ronin: and it doesn't. I'm asking for an explanation of why it doesn't go, how to make it go (thank you btw), and what changes have been made to prevent another incident like this (for example, updating the bit in my brain that says "Hey, check for keys every year."). |
| 22:37.44 | bwoy | abrotman, im trying slashdot regarding reason/music-thingie. |
| 22:37.50 | Estes2 | Seen ? mandriva fired mandrake's founder |
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| 22:38.03 | abrotman | bwoy: you'd be better off asking #winehq if it can do photoshop |
| 22:38.05 | linenoise | Coweater: No. In the default install I just got done with it absolutely did not work because of this. |
| 22:38.06 | _X-Treme | if I download a source package with apt-get source <package>, where can I find information about the default build options of that package |
| 22:38.09 | elpolilla | i have a problem.. i cant start kde, it crashes, and the only log is .xsession-errors. this is what is says --> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/wtBL3R27.html |
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| 22:38.18 | abrotman | bwoy: it certainly can't hurt .. worst that happens .. it gets rejected :) |
| 22:38.37 | bwoy | I guess they're picky eh? :P |
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| 22:39.21 | dannythm | well it some times give me a message... "connection error: Software caused a connection problem" |
| 22:39.52 | abrotman | bwoy: depends on the topic i guess |
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| 22:40.03 | abrotman | bwoy: if i don't see something in a few days ... maybe i'll try also :) |
| 22:40.04 | Hessophanes | _X-Treme: Look at what the "build" target in the source package's debian/rules calls... |
| 22:40.29 | cmatheson | hi, i need to setup a kiosk-like box that logs in to X automatically as the box boots up. I know that gdm has the functionality to automatically log a user in, but it depends on too much stuff and space is limited. xdm doesn't seem to provide this functionality--what other options are there? |
| 22:40.43 | bwoy | abrotman, I guess I could install vmware ... to run photoshop... LOL |
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| 22:40.44 | _X-Treme | Hessophanes: thank you |
| 22:41.18 | stumbles | hi, i have to do the following to get cpu scaling on my laptop, so can someone tell me how i make it happen automatically? "modprobe acpi; modprobe cpufreq_ondemand; cpufreq-set -g ondemand" |
| 22:41.50 | abrotman | bwoy: you could |
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| 22:42.05 | elpolilla | hey please.. i need some help... |
| 22:42.06 | elpolilla | i have a problem.. i cant start kde, it crashes, and the only log is .xsession-errors. this is what is says --> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/wtBL3R27.html |
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| 22:43.21 | dannythm | gya! can anyone help me here? I have no Idea what can be holding my azureus from downloading or even connecting to peers and leechers >< |
| 22:43.42 | Hessophanes | cmatheson: Starting the X server and the session directly, i.e. without a display manager? Or do you need the dm functionality and just want to bypass it on bootup? |
| 22:43.48 | linenoise | dannythm: firewall? ports issues? |
| 22:43.53 | abrotman | Hessophanes: you forgot to go to #iptables :) |
| 22:44.04 | dannythm | linenoise: etch have a firewall installed by default? |
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| 22:44.17 | dannythm | linenoise: 'cause I checked the ports twice |
| 22:44.22 | cmatheson | Hessophanes: i could start the X server directly, although I would like the display manager (just because it restarts the process if it crashes) |
| 22:44.44 | Hessophanes | Heh, I know, abrotman... I'm still juggling windows, writing mail to b.d.o etc. ;) |
| 22:44.56 | linenoise | dannythm: I'm not sure, but I doubt it. (In fact, I'm pretty sure it does, but it's not the problem). Usually, the problem is upstream from the client box (a node on the route to your machine is blocking that port most likely) |
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| 22:45.18 | linenoise | dannythm: some isps are actively blocking bt ports now also. |
| 22:45.35 | dannythm | linenoise: hmmm but, when I had sarge installed a few days ago it worked perfectly |
| 22:45.37 | ifwntrends_ | anyone know where i can enter the wep key for an access point? |
| 22:45.47 | dannythm | linenoise: it stopped working when I upgraded to etch |
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| 22:46.31 | abrotman | Hessophanes: sure sure :) |
| 22:46.32 | dannythm | linenoise: I think in spain is illegal to block ports |
| 22:46.48 | RvGaTe | yooo party people.. hows it all hangin... :) |
| 22:46.54 | GFDL | dannythm, who told you that bs? |
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| 22:47.43 | jshriver | greetings anyone here have a cuecat and can give some pointers? |
| 22:47.47 | dannythm | GFDL: the newspapers I read here, I live here and know that they can't bock you ports aswell they can't record your combersations or track your connections... it's illegal |
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| 22:47.54 | linenoise | dannythm: are you in spain? ;) All ports or just isps? |
| 22:48.00 | linenoise | dannythm: sounds like paradise ;) |
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| 22:48.24 | dannythm | linenoise: sweeden is paradise, they have no laws aganist piracy |
| 22:48.35 | everton137 | Hi, have someone configure webcan on AMSN behind a router? |
| 22:48.46 | GFDL | dannythm, I don't care about the newspapers you read. I care about law. Show me the law which forbids port blocking in spain. |
| 22:49.04 | elpolilla | hey pleeasee help |
| 22:49.08 | elpolilla | i cant start kde, it crashes, and the only log is .xsession-errors. this is what is says --> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/wtBL3R27.html |
| 22:49.18 | elpolilla | i cant fix this |
| 22:49.21 | everton137 | I found on FAQ that I have the port forwarding page open. What does this mean? |
| 22:49.25 | jshriver | no idea never used amsn |
| 22:49.44 | everton137 | haev someone here used AMSN with webcam? |
| 22:49.49 | everton137 | have* |
| 22:49.58 | Gnea | !kde |
| 22:49.58 | dpkg | kde is probably a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde |
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| 22:50.11 | dannythm | GFDL: hmm... it's in the constitution, it's called "freedom of expresion" when they made the internet's law, there was big discussion about that, and control like coling ports from ISPS was considered ainticontitutional |
| 22:50.12 | ma3x | hey |
| 22:50.16 | ma3x | where can I find video experts |
| 22:50.23 | ma3x | guys who work with mencoder, transcode ....... |
| 22:50.27 | ma3x | you know any channel |
| 22:50.29 | GFDL | everton137, port blocking is in the constitution of spain? |
| 22:50.30 | jshriver | ma3x what's your question |
| 22:50.35 | GFDL | sorry everton |
| 22:50.39 | dannythm | GFDL: also, they sell you the routers with ports closed and no key to access them to modfy it |
| 22:50.50 | jshriver | ma3x I can try to help.. what do you need? |
| 22:50.53 | GFDL | dannythm, port blocking is in the constitution of spain? are you kidding? |
| 22:51.11 | dannythm | GFDL: nope, but freedom of expresion is |
| 22:51.16 | everton137 | GFDL, What? |
| 22:51.17 | ma3x | jshriver, one minute please let me formulate my question |
| 22:51.24 | jshriver | k |
| 22:51.31 | everton137 | GFDL, I am from Brazil. |
| 22:51.32 | GFDL | everton137, sorry that message wasn't intended for you, please accept my apologies |
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| 22:51.42 | everton137 | GFDL, np :) |
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| 22:51.56 | Hessophanes | cmatheson: Hmm, you could simulate the restart feature by integrating the X server startup into /etc/inittab... |
| 22:51.58 | dannythm | linenoise: so, ca you help me here with my torrent? it says things like "IOExpresion: Bad file blahblahblah" |
| 22:52.14 | GFDL | dannythm, I still don't believe you until I read the law |
| 22:52.14 | Gnea | dannythm: so what you're saying, is that they excercised their freedom to express their opinion of their perception? |
| 22:52.33 | Hessophanes | abrotman: Yep, sorry. ;) |
| 22:52.43 | abrotman | thought so :) |
| 22:52.51 | bwoy | Last question for tonight: could changing password for root screw up things on running processes or something like that? |
| 22:52.58 | abrotman | Hessophanes: i believe he did get help elsewhere .. but thanks for joining over there |
| 22:53.11 | ma3x | jshriver, when I use mencoder or transcode, I want to include a filter like smart deinterlace or lancoz3 ( http://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=244151 ) |
| 22:53.13 | abrotman | bwoy: not unless that process uses root's passwd |
| 22:53.17 | Hessophanes | Ah, fine. :) |
| 22:53.23 | bwoy | ...which most processes dont? :) |
| 22:53.26 | ma3x | jshriver, now I tried the smartdeinter, but it didn't make any difference |
| 22:53.35 | ma3x | jshriver, are you expert on this stuff? |
| 22:53.56 | dannythm | Gnea: nope, some politicians considered that allowing ISPS to controll the ports of the users was aganist the fredom of expresion |
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| 22:54.05 | jshriver | not expert... but mencoder just add -ni to make it deinterlaced.. |
| 22:54.09 | dannythm | Gnea: so it's not legal to do it |
| 22:54.17 | Gnea | dannythm: that's kinda cool |
| 22:54.24 | dannythm | Gnea: but one thing is what is legal and other what they really do... |
| 22:54.35 | GFDL | that's not cool. it's stupid |
| 22:54.38 | ma3x | jshriver, let me check that option please :) |
| 22:54.40 | jshriver | mencoder video.mpg -vf copy -ao copy -ni -o video.avi |
| 22:54.42 | Ronin | wow little brisk out ther for bbqing |
| 22:54.43 | dannythm | Gnea: the ISPS I mean |
| 22:54.50 | Gnea | GFDL: i said KINDA |
| 22:54.50 | dannythm | GFDL: why is stupid? |
| 22:55.03 | cmatheson | Hessophanes: the X server in /etc/inittab eh? i'll have to look into that |
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| 22:55.31 | abrotman | bwoy: no .. they don't |
| 22:55.47 | abrotman | Ronin: you're in canada .. |
| 22:55.48 | Hessophanes | cmatheson: Yes, you could create a small shell script that contains your X startup and session initialization, and insert that into inittab and flag it "restart". |
| 22:56.03 | GFDL | dannythm, easy: because port blocking is an effective measure against spam |
| 22:56.17 | Gnea | GFDL: and it's not stupid. it's retarded for isps to have to step in like that, but when the majority of the population abuses the original controls put in place on the internet in regards to port usage, it is justified, unfortunately |
| 22:56.26 | Ronin | abrotman: ya but its not the cold its that damn wind, guess ill need to put a glove on my beer hand |
| 22:56.28 | dannythm | Gnea: I remembe once you help me configuring my radeon 9200 a year ago more or less lol |
| 22:56.30 | ma3x | jshriver, the description of -ni is: 'Force usage of non-interleaved AVI parser (fixes playback of some bad AVI files)' |
| 22:56.35 | Gnea | GFDL: actually, it isn't |
| 22:56.37 | ma3x | jshriver, are you sure that's deinterlace filter? |
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| 22:56.49 | Gnea | dannythm: i did? heh |
| 22:56.51 | abrotman | Ronin: or a glove on your beer |
| 22:56.56 | jshriver | that might be post deinterlacing... |
| 22:56.57 | GFDL | Gnea, so in this case spaniards are right and the whole rest of the world is wrong in doing port blocking? |
| 22:56.57 | dannythm | GFDL: here there are no worries about spam, the isps are not concerned in that, they thin it's a user's problem |
| 22:57.22 | dannythm | Gnea: yeah, we were talking much that few days you helped me ^^ |
| 22:57.24 | jshriver | ma3x: best bet is look in the mencoder/mplayer manual for -vf those are the video filters there's tons.. including smoothing |
| 22:57.38 | Gnea | GFDL: no, it isn't about that - different cultures and different populations have different ways of controlling themselves through education, or lack thereof |
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| 22:58.03 | dannythm | GFDL: where are you from? |
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| 22:58.35 | GFDL | dannythm, why? |
| 22:58.37 | dannythm | Gnea: I was wondering... will you know why my azureus worked perfectly under sarge, but now, I upgraded to etch, it just don't connect to anything? |
| 22:58.54 | dannythm | GFDL: you know where I am from, I think I should know |
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| 22:59.18 | Gnea | GFDL: some work and some don't. in many places in the states, it's been obvious that, without ISP intervention, it doesn't work. And since not all ISPs step in to do it the same way, the spam simply gets re-routed and doesn't stop |
| 22:59.22 | GFDL | dannythm, you tought wrong |
| 22:59.30 | MrRexxie | I seem to have lost mysqld.sock :x |
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| 22:59.34 | GFDL | dannythm, you THOUGHT wrong |
| 22:59.51 | GFDL | Gnea, my point is, spam is a global problem |
| 23:00.02 | Gnea | GFDL: so, where ARE you from? |
| 23:00.09 | GFDL | Gnea, is stupid that spain contribute to spam all over the world |
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| 23:00.14 | dannythm | GFDL: what right you think you have to say that I thought wrong? who are you to judge? |
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| 23:00.25 | Gnea | GFDL: or are you too afraid of someone busting down your door? |
| 23:00.33 | fiveiron | any idea why i might not be able to chmod on a mounted drive that is mounted rw |
| 23:00.44 | GFDL | dannythm, busting down my door? who? you? |
| 23:00.48 | GFDL | ROTFL |
| 23:01.01 | Gnea | GFDL: everyone contributes to spam, it's not just spain |
| 23:01.15 | Gnea | GFDL: LMAO! *I* made the busting down door comment, not dannythm |
| 23:01.24 | priscila | dannythm: it's the cost wich you must pay for use etch .. random bugs ;) |
| 23:01.35 | Gnea | dannythm: he's confused. i have no idea about etch, i don't use it |
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| 23:01.52 | GFDL | Gnea, I know but I was too lazy to say it again |
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| 23:02.04 | dannythm | GFDL: I've been sing gmail froma while know, and I only remember spam 'cause other ppl talks me about that, and nobody is closing me ports |
| 23:02.22 | dannythm | Gnea: oh, thanks anyway ^^ |
| 23:02.50 | GFDL | dannythm, write just one (1) message in Usenet, and spam will flood you |
| 23:02.53 | dannythm | priscila: yeah... I was like it, long tiem no use a test version lol |
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| 23:03.18 | dannythm | GFDL: thanks for the advice, I'll no write messages in usenet |
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| 23:03.47 | GFDL | dannythm, that's infortunate for you, usenet is a great source of information |
| 23:03.59 | linenoise | if I could make spamassassin work, at least I could get my spam served slower... |
| 23:04.05 | GFDL | dannythm, and no I don't care if it's usenet is a joke in spain |
| 23:04.06 | Gnea | GFDL: you mean, 'unfortunate' |
| 23:04.13 | GFDL | whatever |
| 23:04.28 | priscila | dannythm: why did you instaled etch instead backport some packages that you need? |
| 23:04.30 | Gnea | GFDL: you're also now going up on ignore |
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| 23:05.09 | dannythm | priscila: I felt nostalgic about having a system with some bugs, like when I was 16 and used win98 lol |
| 23:05.09 | ChrisW | hmmm, how can I combien a .key file and a .crt file to make a .pem file? |
| 23:05.10 | Aghaster | hi, i'm using an ati radeon 9200SE but the ati driver doesn't work with it. so i use the vesa driver, but i have no 3D acceleration. what could i do to have 3D acceleration woprking?& |
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| 23:05.28 | abrotman | radeon? |
| 23:05.29 | dannythm | GFDL: I never used usenet and I always found all information I needed |
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| 23:05.41 | GFDL | dannythm, as I said, I don't care |
| 23:05.46 | ChrisW | concatenation looks like it'd do it, but the .pem ends in a "DH PARAMETERS" section which I don't know how to generate :-S |
| 23:05.53 | dannythm | GFDL: why are you arguin then? |
| 23:06.20 | GFDL | GFDL, I don't |
| 23:06.21 | Aghaster | yeah, its a radeon card. |
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| 23:06.28 | linenoise | Aghaster: download the drivers from ati |
| 23:06.36 | Gnea | dannythm: just ignore him, he's useless |
| 23:06.55 | Aghaster | i just did, but when i did a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg i didn't see any "radeon" driver listed |
| 23:07.03 | dannythm | Gnea: yeah, he must be a 13yrs.... |
| 23:07.05 | Aghaster | or does it overwrite the other "ati" driver? |
| 23:07.32 | Gnea | dannythm: probably, but it would be a waste of time and resources to debate it any further :) |
| 23:07.33 | dannythm | Gnea: y'know I helped ppl with the info you gave me time ago ^^ |
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| 23:07.56 | Gnea | dannythm: right on.. i don't even remember it very well :/ |
| 23:08.07 | Hessophanes | Aghaster: As it's a third-party module, it won't be listed in the reconfigure script - you'll have to manually edit your X config. |
| 23:08.08 | dannythm | Gnea: you said the point |
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| 23:08.19 | Gnea | ah |
| 23:08.27 | dannythm | Gnea: I know, you should have helped lot's of ppl here, |
| 23:08.29 | Aghaster | ok, so if i edit xorg.conf and change it to radeon it'll work? |
| 23:08.38 | Aghaster | after installing latest fglrx? |
| 23:08.43 | Gnea | !tell Aghaster about radeon |
| 23:08.45 | priscila | Aghaster: i think you need install the ati driver .. did you looked at ati site or google? |
| 23:08.52 | Aghaster | yeah |
| 23:08.59 | Gnea | Aghaster: did you try all that? |
| 23:08.59 | dannythm | Gnea: but as I was starting with debian then, i recognice the nick of the ppl that helped me then |
| 23:09.12 | Hessophanes | Aghaster: Yes, it should. |
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| 23:09.19 | dannythm | Gnea: and abrotman here helped me with my fstab lol |
| 23:09.26 | sajba | i have two machines with two monitors that i want to use same keyb. and mouse to. One runs Debian kde, and the other win xp..what program should i use? |
| 23:09.30 | Aghaster | well, an ati driver did come with this debian system, but it didnt work with my video card |
| 23:09.55 | Gnea | dannythm: :) |
| 23:10.00 | dannythm | sajba: I think you have a good problem there |
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| 23:10.23 | priscila | sajba: you want do the impossible, i think ;) |
| 23:10.39 | Gnea | sajba: tsclient |
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| 23:10.50 | nanok | sajba: KVM ;) |
| 23:10.53 | Hessophanes | sajba: Software? How do you intend to connect one keyboard to two computers at once? I think you need a KVM switch... |
| 23:11.02 | sajba | yes software |
| 23:11.06 | Gnea | nanok: KVM is a piece of hardware, not software |
| 23:11.13 | nanok | Gnea: precisely |
| 23:11.14 | abrotman | dannythm: i did? |
| 23:11.15 | Gnea | !info tsclient |
| 23:11.21 | dpkg | tsclient: (front-end for viewing of remote desktops in GNOME), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.140-2 (sid), Packaged size: 301 kB, Installed size: 892 kB |
| 23:11.29 | dannythm | abrotman: yeah, I remember it well |
| 23:11.31 | sajba | gnea:thnx |
| 23:11.44 | Gnea | sajba: it works quite well, in fact |
| 23:11.48 | dannythm | abrotman: and with some other lil stuff too |
| 23:11.53 | cafuego | tscleint isn't highly useful for booting systems up and going into the bios ;-) |
| 23:11.56 | abrotman | dannythm: do you owe me a beer? :) |
| 23:12.14 | Gnea | cafuego: that isn't what was requested |
| 23:12.18 | dannythm | abrotman: a guiness if you like irish black beer lol |
| 23:12.20 | abrotman | Gnea: i haven't figured why GFDL is allowed to continue to be a nuisance .. but whatever |
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| 23:12.34 | abrotman | dannythm: uhm .. i'll suck it down :) |
| 23:12.53 | sajba | gnea:okey, nice, can i have my keyb. and mouse connected to the xp machine? is it a win prog? |
| 23:12.54 | Gnea | abrotman: /ignore is a terrific command :) |
| 23:13.01 | nanok | yeah. black beer rocks. guiness doubly so.. |
| 23:13.05 | thingfish | beer is no payback. now bourbon - that's a different story. :) |
| 23:13.20 | thingfish | yuck |
| 23:13.20 | dannythm | abrotman: then, If anyday we meet, I'll pay the first round |
| 23:13.21 | jazbo | bourbon fan here |
| 23:13.26 | thingfish | guinness sucks - end of story. |
| 23:13.28 | abrotman | Gnea: that doesn't help the n00bs |
| 23:13.28 | Gnea | cool, more beer for me |
| 23:13.38 | Gnea | abrotman: sure it does |
| 23:13.47 | abrotman | Gnea: no it doesn't .. they think he's being helpful |
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| 23:13.59 | abrotman | Gnea: try a /whois |
| 23:14.10 | dannythm | nanok: we agree then on beer matters lol |
| 23:14.12 | abrotman | thingfish: he said bourbon! |
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| 23:14.28 | Ronin | thingfish: guinness sucks? heathen |
| 23:14.31 | nanok | dannythm: i guess.. |
| 23:14.34 | Gnea | abrotman: see, part of all of this is to learn how not to rely on the face value |
| 23:14.35 | thingfish | abrotman: um, maker's mark is bourbon. |
| 23:14.37 | dannythm | thingfish: I prefer rum than bourbon |
| 23:14.41 | abrotman | thingfish: i was joking |
| 23:14.49 | abrotman | Gnea: that's why they're called n00bs |
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| 23:14.55 | thingfish | Ronin: hardly. I have demanding tastes. |
| 23:15.08 | thingfish | oh ok, abrotman |
| 23:15.09 | Ronin | uh huh,such as? |
| 23:15.17 | Gnea | abrotman: shut up and bring me a sandwich :P |
| 23:15.18 | thingfish | dannythm: rum? |
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| 23:15.25 | abrotman | Gnea: hire me! |
| 23:15.28 | thingfish | dannythm: I guess that's acceptable. |
| 23:15.29 | Gnea | hahaha |
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| 23:15.44 | Ronin | rum?? ah you like feeling 10 ft tall and bullet proof |
| 23:15.54 | priscila | wine is better than wathever drink |
| 23:15.56 | dannythm | thingfish: lol |
| 23:16.05 | thingfish | hah rum is for lightweights. |
| 23:16.16 | Ronin | so thingfish enlighten us then :) |
| 23:16.20 | thingfish | priscila: it's better for you than all this other stuff. |
| 23:16.32 | thingfish | Ronin: hehe |
| 23:16.42 | jazbo | Bourbon is the #1 beverage of choice for alchoholics in the US |
| 23:16.44 | dannythm | now this is #alocholic-Debian ILMAO |
| 23:16.45 | nanok | dannythm: try it with beer. a friend recommended it to me, he told me to make sure i am not far from home when i try it. preferably right at home.. |
| 23:16.55 | Gnea | !beer dannythm |
| 23:16.55 | thingfish | Ronin: oh man, homebrewed? You win, hands down and no argument. |
| 23:17.02 | flecxie | Hey you guys, I have a remote server which generated some oops'es which caused sshd to crash. Apache & Php and FTP are however still running, would there be some way that I could upload a script containing the root-pw which I can execute with the system-command in php?? (would save me a 300km drive and some sleep this night) |
| 23:17.22 | flecxie | (idea is to reboot the server) |
| 23:17.23 | Ronin | and speaking of winning, i best get my butt into the kitchen and eat before it gets cold |
| 23:17.23 | dannythm | Gnea: lol! that was great! thanks! |
| 23:17.35 | thingfish | someone add Chimay to dpkg's beer factoid. |
| 23:17.45 | Gnea | flecxie: so, you want to backdoor and hack your own server? |
| 23:17.49 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 23:17.49 | dpkg | well, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 23:17.52 | dannythm | nanok: I tryed it, but I prefer to start with beer, then when the beer is finshed, star with the rum =P |
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| 23:18.04 | eeyore- | riiiiiiiight |
| 23:18.10 | eeyore- | flecxie: try asking in #hack |
| 23:18.11 | nanok | flecxie: if that machine is badly insecure, there prolly is. if it isnt, better ask someone to push the damn button |
| 23:18.28 | dannythm | thingfish: chimay is great too |
| 23:18.34 | flecxie | ok, tnx guys |
| 23:18.39 | flecxie | gonna have a look in #hack |
| 23:18.44 | thingfish | dannythm: it's nectar from heaven. |
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| 23:18.54 | thingfish | imho, there is no finer brew. |
| 23:19.13 | Gnea | YOS :) |
| 23:19.15 | eeyore- | i like sticky-rice wine |
| 23:19.20 | dannythm | thingfish: there are soo may heaven's nectars... |
| 23:19.44 | dannythm | well... I'm thinking on taking a murphis from the frigde xD |
| 23:20.24 | dannythm | eeyore-: well, with a good beef,a great wine is essential! |
| 23:20.28 | priscila | , i think that anybody who programming also get into coffee |
| 23:20.29 | thingfish | dannythm: hehe true |
| 23:20.42 | jazbo | thank god it's almost time to leave work, all this talk of beer |
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| 23:20.51 | thingfish | dannythm: and funny how, when you're drinking it, *everything* is heaven's nectar. |
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| 23:21.01 | eeyore- | dannythm: shiraz for me, all the time. i dislike whites |
| 23:21.13 | dannythm | priscila: or into LSD... you see realy wired things sometiems when you look into some programs code |
| 23:21.43 | thingfish | gawd, direction on madonna's 'nothing really matters' video is awful. |
| 23:21.50 | jazbo | I make this tequilla with habenero peppers in it... Yeowza! |
| 23:22.00 | dannythm | thingfish: well... not everything but most... everything urns on heaven's nectar after a few pints |
| 23:22.13 | abrotman | weirdo |
| 23:22.14 | ma3x | any idea where can I find video experts? |
| 23:22.20 | thingfish | jazbo: yikes! get drunk and have diarrhea all at the same time. |
| 23:22.24 | eeyore- | jazbo: habanero is yummy :-) i remember first time i ate one. mmm mmmm. |
| 23:22.26 | Madsy | The mingw32 binutils from the mingw32-package is placed in /usr/bin, and not $(mingw root dir)/bin. Is there a reason to this? |
| 23:22.33 | dannythm | thingfish: I know you have undertood me lol |
| 23:22.36 | thingfish | abrotman: proudly so. :) |
| 23:22.44 | Madsy | And $(mingw root dir)/bin is containing some gnu binutils without the ming32 prefix. |
| 23:22.47 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:23.11 | jazbo | eeyore, I don't know if I'd call it yummy... more like swallowing a white hot ball bearing |
| 23:23.12 | dannythm | well |
| 23:23.28 | dannythm | anybody can help me with my connections problem with azureus? |
| 23:23.30 | everton137 | Hi, can someone help me with this text, about open a port for webcam? What does it mean open your router web-based configuration? Her is text: http://amsn.sourceforge.net/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=Webcam+In+aMSN#firewalled |
| 23:23.39 | dannythm | (in etch) |
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| 23:24.16 | thingfish | eeyore-: actually they are quite yummy. A unique flavor, aside from the heat. |
| 23:24.22 | dannythm | everton137: to open your router web-interface config just put the IP of your router in a browsers URL's text bar |
| 23:24.32 | priscila | everton137: did you asked it on debian-br? |
| 23:24.33 | Hessophanes | Madsy: The files are hardlinked. $(mingw root)/bin/ar and /usr/bin/$(mingw prefix)-ar are the same file, for example. |
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| 23:24.46 | eeyore- | thingfish: yes, it has a very characteristic taste to it, apart from the hotness |
| 23:24.49 | dannythm | everton137: usually the isp is 192.168.1.1 |
| 23:25.06 | everton137 | dannythm, how do I do that? Should I configure some file? |
| 23:25.13 | everton137 | priscila, no, I didn't. |
| 23:25.13 | thingfish | eeyore-: it's a taste I really prefer to many other hot peppers. |
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| 23:25.49 | dannythm | everton137: nope just in mozailla, or firefox in the direction bar put the IP of your router |
| 23:26.12 | everton137 | dannythm, how do I discover this IP? |
| 23:26.17 | everton137 | of the router. |
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| 23:26.42 | weasel00 | everton137 : try this first ... http://192.168.1.1 |
| 23:26.46 | dannythm | everton137: It may be something like 192.168.0.1 or 192.168.1.1 those are the usuals ip's for LAN networks |
| 23:26.52 | eeyore- | thingfish: we had a chilli contest (the pork + bean kind) and i managed to find one contestant who was roasting habaneros for the judges ... i snagged one. that really made the whole contest more bearable. without habanero, everybody's entry was just ... plain |
| 23:27.08 | dannythm | eeyore-: I like dong washabi contests |
| 23:27.28 | eeyore- | dannythm: that might be interesting, but my nose would kill me :-) |
| 23:27.32 | dannythm | weasel00: do you read Gunnm: Last order? |
| 23:27.32 | FlimFlamMan | ummm, so i accidentally directed a number of incoming emails to append to a single file instead of dropping into a Maildir. is there a way to convert them to individual e-mail messages again? |
| 23:27.45 | everton137 | wease100, I am trying this. no response. |
| 23:27.47 | thingfish | eeyore-: many people get all caught up in how hot they are, without giving due credit to how tasty they are. |
| 23:28.05 | dannythm | eeyore-: eating contests, not snorting contests lol |
| 23:28.08 | weasel00 | everton137 : try http://192.168.0.1 |
| 23:28.10 | thingfish | ooh I like dong contests too, dannythm ;) |
| 23:28.12 | eeyore- | thingfish: how would you describe the taste ... let me try .. |
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| 23:28.19 | weasel00 | dannythm : sounds familiar |
| 23:28.34 | thingfish | eeyore-: floral keeps coming to mind. |
| 23:28.47 | everton137 | dannythm, no response from nboth IP's 0.1 and 1.1 :( |
| 23:28.47 | dannythm | weasel00: It's a comic, in wich there's a great hacker that is named "weasel" lol |
| 23:28.55 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 23:28.56 | dpkg | <TheCrazedLog> So anyone got any pearls of wisdom they care to pass on? <TheCrazedLog> that are relevant to my problem =P <sussudio> don't eat the yellow snow |
| 23:29.06 | dannythm | everton137: hmmm you never configured your router? |
| 23:29.10 | everton137 | wease100, no response to other. I am with a ADSL Internet connection |
| 23:29.17 | eeyore- | not even gonna try :-) |
| 23:29.30 | everton137 | dannythm, I can access my modem. it was done automaticaly |
| 23:29.35 | tarzeau | abrotman: damn am i tired |
| 23:29.35 | weasel00 | whats the command to look up the gateway info.. im already 6 beers to the wind lol |
| 23:29.38 | everton137 | dannythm, any text I should read? |
| 23:29.48 | tarzeau | weasel00: netstat -nr ? |
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| 23:29.54 | eeyore- | thingfish: have you had "dave's insanity sauce" (the special edition?) |
| 23:30.07 | thingfish | eeyore-: no |
| 23:30.14 | everton137 | dandelo, actually I never dealed with this concept of router :P |
| 23:30.20 | weasel00 | everton137 : netstat -nr .. whats he gateway ip? |
| 23:30.22 | abrotman | tarzeau: lay off the drugs |
| 23:30.22 | eeyore- | thingfish: try it. mostly habaneros with other spices |
| 23:30.23 | Gnea | eeyore-: ewww |
| 23:30.26 | dannythm | everton137: hmm... how have you setted your connection? Pc-->modem-->router-->line or just like that but without modem? |
| 23:30.40 | tarzeau | abrotman: remember the secretary that bought the bad hardware mobo? |
| 23:30.42 | eeyore- | Gnea: the special edition isn't like the normal ones :-) |
| 23:30.50 | jazbo | eeyore: that same company has two even hotter sauces, "Da Bomb" and even hotter is "The Final Answer" |
| 23:30.59 | Gnea | eeyore-: did they add more jalapenos? :) |
| 23:31.00 | weasel00 | Gnea : i didnt care for the flavor of Dave's line |
| 23:31.03 | everton137 | wease100, 10.0.0.138 |
| 23:31.05 | thingfish | eeyore-: sounds good. is it pretty much all-purpose (goes with lots of various meats and veggies)? |
| 23:31.07 | weasel00 | dannythm : have to chekc that out |
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| 23:31.17 | Gnea | i prefer hot salsa |
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| 23:31.22 | weasel00 | everton137 : http://10.0.0.138 ? |
| 23:31.27 | thingfish | see I don't care about hotness per se, really. I want heat, but I want flavor more than the heat. |
| 23:31.29 | Gnea | it's more than just a sauce |
| 23:31.40 | jazbo | Thingfish, it's mostly heat very little flavor because you have to use extremely small quantities of it |
| 23:31.57 | thingfish | mmm hot salsa + velveeta + jalapenos + tortilla chips |
| 23:31.59 | eeyore- | http://www.insanitysauce.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10351&catalogId=10201&langId=-1&productId=13131046&bct=t13036003 |
| 23:32.00 | everton137 | dannythm, actualy I dont know what is router. I just added provider login and passwd on modem. |
| 23:32.07 | dannythm | weasel00: before reading Last order you should read Gummn: Battle angel, it's the first part of the story, it's from Ykito Kishiro, yeally great comics ^^ |
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| 23:32.18 | eeyore- | $30 a bottle, 3 times as spicey as the regular insanity sauce. comes in a wooden box :-) |
| 23:32.21 | Gnea | thingfish: DAMN YOU |
| 23:32.25 | everton137 | wease100, this IP is on table bellow router. |
| 23:32.31 | Gnea | now i have to go shopping |
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| 23:32.40 | everton137 | wease100, I access modem on this IP. |
| 23:32.41 | dannythm | everton137: wich is your ISP? or your modem model? |
| 23:32.42 | weasel00 | dannythm : noted... will ask my friends.. im sure of them will loan it to me |
| 23:32.50 | thingfish | jazbo: see that's a bogus approach, to my way of thinking. the primary goal in making the sauce should be to produce something with a marvelous flavor, not something that celebrates heat for heat's sake. |
| 23:32.57 | everton137 | dandelo, let me see |
| 23:33.06 | eeyore- | thingfish: it's general purpose. doesn't add other flavours to the food, besides the spiciness and the roasted flavours |
| 23:33.10 | weasel00 | everton137 : did you try http://10.0.0.138 ? |
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| 23:33.19 | dannythm | weasel00: great! |
| 23:33.27 | eeyore- | thingfish: does not add sweet/sour/saltiness, for example |
| 23:33.41 | weasel00 | <-- tobasco whore |
| 23:33.44 | Gnea | thingfish: taste without substance is useless |
| 23:33.47 | everton137 | wease100, When I need configure modem, I access this IP |
| 23:33.52 | dannythm | thingfish: try tabasco + soja sauce + washabi |
| 23:34.22 | everton137 | wease100, ahhhh, I see advanced options :) |
| 23:34.24 | jazbo | thingfish, agreed but sometimes its nice to be able to make something spicy without effecting the flavor |
| 23:34.27 | mzilikazi | anyone using sshfs? what should permissions for /dev/fuse be? |
| 23:34.30 | eeyore- | thingfish: but for flavour, my wife's fish sauce kicked up with lime juice, chili peppers, red onions, cilanthro :-) |
| 23:34.37 | weasel00 | everton137 : now you see it? =) |
| 23:34.39 | everton137 | dannythm, I see advanced options on modem IP |
| 23:34.50 | dannythm | everton137: that's good |
| 23:34.52 | Ronin | eeyore-: fedex me some of that :) |
| 23:35.02 | abrotman | tarzeau: yeah |
| 23:35.04 | everton137 | weasy100, I think I can manage now. I need configure it for open to webcam. I will try |
| 23:35.05 | thingfish | dannythm: I can kind of imagine that... |
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| 23:35.16 | everton137 | dannythm, thank you! |
| 23:35.17 | eeyore- | Ronin: we've thought about bottling it :-) |
| 23:35.21 | everton137 | wease100, thank you! |
| 23:35.34 | dannythm | everton137: now you must search comething like firewall, or security, anything like that |
| 23:35.42 | thingfish | oh wow, yes, eeyore - fish sauce is greatly underappreciated outside of southeast asia. yet it's wonderful stuff. |
| 23:35.47 | dannythm | everton137: there you will be able to open the ports you like |
| 23:35.53 | dannythm | thingfish: lol |
| 23:36.05 | thingfish | dammit |
| 23:36.06 | weasel00 | everton137 : prolly gonna have to setup soem port forwarding to the ip thats connected to the webcam comp. i would suggest making the webcam comp static |
| 23:36.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: she's gotten her spanking tonight. |
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| 23:36.32 | mtgh | I need a good tool to stress test my harddrive, lots of writes and reads |
| 23:36.35 | thingfish | all this talk of nice food, and I have to settle for fried chicken tonight. |
| 23:36.40 | tarzeau | mtgh: badblocks |
| 23:36.43 | dannythm | arr... anyone with network problems in etch too? |
| 23:37.03 | everton137 | dannythm, thanks, I will try it. but how do I do it static? |
| 23:37.05 | weasel00 | thingfish : you missed out my delicacy then... tuna-mac =) |
| 23:37.08 | abrotman | tarzeau: good .. i think .. if she's cute |
| 23:37.12 | eeyore- | mtgh: iozone |
| 23:37.20 | tarzeau | abrotman: she is ;) |
| 23:37.22 | eeyore- | mtgh: or, at least, bonnie++ |
| 23:37.40 | everton137 | wease100, how do I let webcam static? |
| 23:37.42 | dannythm | everton137: It depends on your model, I know how to do it in mine, follow weasel00 advices, he know more than I do :) |
| 23:37.52 | abrotman | tarzeau: pictures!~ |
| 23:38.05 | thingfish | weasel00: ...ick. |
| 23:38.11 | thingfish | not that tuna is bad. |
| 23:38.14 | everton137 | dannythm, I type for you, but I wished for wease100 : P |
| 23:38.21 | tarzeau | abrotman: yes i've got them, but i'm not www.thehun.net |
| 23:38.30 | dannythm | everton137: lol, NP |
| 23:38.33 | weasel00 | everton137 : what ever computer you are using the webcam on you will wont to give it a static ip.. will make your life with it a lot easier |
| 23:38.47 | dannythm | everton137: but the real way to learn is not asking until google don't serves you well lol |
| 23:39.04 | weasel00 | dannythm : hehe someone wished for little old me? teehee *blush |
| 23:39.15 | everton137 | dannythm, ok :P |
| 23:39.24 | everton137 | I will google it |
| 23:39.26 | everton137 | :D |
| 23:39.28 | dannythm | weasel00:lol |
| 23:39.54 | dannythm | weasel00: now you may know anything about a il problem I'm having here |
| 23:39.57 | weasel00 | thingfish : its the only way i will eat tuna lol |
| 23:40.08 | dannythm | tuna's great! |
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| 23:40.17 | everton137 | wease100, thanks for help, I will google it ;) |
| 23:40.20 | everton137 | cya |
| 23:40.35 | weasel00 | dannythm : solution... get the boxes that your computer arrived in, package it up, and write return to sender on it =) |
| 23:40.54 | weasel00 | everton137 : GL! |
| 23:41.05 | thingfish | weasel00: eat it in a salad, with cooled boiled potato chunks, cooked green beans, a nice lettuce variety, and tomatoes. |
| 23:41.07 | dannythm | weasel00: errr... I can't do that, I had this computer for a while now lol |
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| 23:41.51 | weasel00 | dannythm : gurlfriend_1.0 and wife_2.5 are not compatible? =) |
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| 23:42.09 | sajba | I have 2computer next to eachother with one monitor connected to each comp. what software can i use to send mouse and keyboard to the other machine to control it? I run win and debian kde. |
| 23:42.17 | eeyore- | there's a vietnamese noodle place nearby. they have fresh chili peppers and garlic on every desk. it's really good to enjoy a nice hot bowl of pho with fresh peeled garlic and chili in every bite ... talk about two-fisted eating ;-) |
| 23:42.24 | dannythm | weasel00: nope, I have no grilriend and no wife, I have onlya friend wich we slpeep toghether some times :) |
| 23:42.33 | cmatheson | Hessophanes: well, i hacked my inittab, and i think it should work, but it spews out some errors about the user not having authority to connect to the X server or something |
| 23:42.37 | abrotman | tarzeau: give me later |
| 23:42.42 | dannythm | weasel00: My azureus won't download anything until I upgraded to sarge |
| 23:42.54 | eeyore- | hey abrotman! |
| 23:43.05 | jazbo | sajba, buy a switch |
| 23:43.28 | weasel00 | sajba : check out VNC |
| 23:43.29 | eeyore- | sajba: KVM would be cheaper |
| 23:43.39 | thingfish | eeyore-: these chinese people I used to know had this wonderful garnish, made from finely chopped fresh garlic and something related to mustard greens. |
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| 23:43.54 | weasel00 | eeyore- : KVM cables are really expensive unless you make em yourself ;) |
| 23:43.57 | dannythm | weasel00: I mean, until I upgraded from sarge to etch |
| 23:44.14 | thingfish | eeyore-: you would eat little bites of it with dumplings, or whatever. |
| 23:44.16 | sajba | but Isnt there any software that can do that? |
| 23:44.18 | eeyore- | weasel: you can get 2-unit KVMs for about $25 or so, integrated cables :-) |
| 23:44.46 | weasel00 | eeyore- : 6 ft isnt longest for even my room lol |
| 23:45.01 | weasel00 | sajba : VNC <-- software solution |
| 23:45.09 | Tchiak | Hello, i recently hooked up a LCD monitor up to my debian box.. now it will only load 640x480 in X. the log file says: there isn't enough memory, but i was using this exact same system with a 21" CRT monitor and was getting 1600x1200 no problem. Any ideas? |
| 23:45.25 | weasel00 | dannythm : what was your problem i think i missed it? lol |
| 23:45.29 | eeyore- | i should go home :-) see you guys later |
| 23:45.53 | sajba | weasel00: but isnt vnc for remoting the hole screen and everything |
| 23:46.08 | dannythm | weasel00: lol, I upgraded from sarge to etch, and then Azureus stoped conecting to peers or leechers and won't download anything, and in sarge it worked really well... |
| 23:46.10 | Tchiak | ssh2 baby :P |
| 23:46.21 | thingfish | later, eeyore- |
| 23:46.23 | weasel00 | eeyore- : dont go.. its scary outside.. there are like these programs called people that want to interacted with! *shiver |
| 23:46.35 | mrverbose | i want to secure my wlan via ipsec, but my current setup only encrypts p2p connections (transport-mode). so the traffic directed to the gateway is ONLY encrypted, if the gateway itself is the target. But i want everything sent via the gateway to be sent encrypted to they gateway and to be sent from there on unencrypted. how can i do that? |
| 23:46.57 | dannythm | eeyore-: outside is bad! |
| 23:46.59 | weasel00 | dannyth : oddly enough im not familiar with that program =( |
| 23:47.13 | thingfish | ooh weasel00 - it's fun to interact with those "others". Sometimes they'll let you do things to them. |
| 23:47.24 | Tchiak | Azureus: a java based bittorrent client. |
| 23:47.47 | foo | Anyone in here got VMware on debian? |
| 23:47.56 | weasel00 | thingfish : they ussually crash when i run my booze.app on them =( |
| 23:48.09 | dannythm | weasel00: yeah, I don't think it's a programs problem, i think there's something configured by default in etch that messes upp my connections |
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| 23:48.50 | weasel00 | dannythm : did you check your firewall, router, ip's, software settings, etc... |
| 23:49.11 | dannythm | Tchiak: have you instald the oficial driver of your graphc card? TFT's sometimes give problems with generic drivers |
| 23:49.20 | weasel00 | sajba : yes it is... if thats not a solution then what exactly are you trying to do? |
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| 23:49.32 | dannythm | weasel00: ports are right, and I dunno etch have a firewall..... |
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| 23:49.49 | dannythm | weasel00: and the softawer settings of the bittorent client are right |
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| 23:50.43 | Tchiak | it's an ATI mach64 rage Pro integrated graphics |
| 23:50.50 | weasel00 | dannythm : router setup is correct? |
| 23:50.50 | Tchiak | and i have the proper settings for it |
| 23:50.55 | Tchiak | nothing has changed except the monitor |
| 23:51.04 | Tchiak | the config is the same for the card |
| 23:51.31 | dannythm | weasel00: I did not touched it, I only upgraded from sarge |
| 23:51.46 | Ethan | stew: are you following this room right now? |
| 23:51.59 | Hessophanes | Tchiak: Does your X config contain any modelines that may be unsuitable for your TFT? |
| 23:52.11 | dannythm | Tchiak: is he config ox the xserver right? |
| 23:52.22 | weasel00 | dannythm : you try reinstalling the software? maybe missing a lib? |
| 23:52.47 | thingfish | ati mach 64? are there any of those still running? |
| 23:52.49 | dannythm | weasel00: it don't gives an error... it just don't get any connection.... it's strange |
| 23:52.55 | nanok | mrverbose: set the default gw trough the encrypted tunel, i guess. but you should only do that if you really know what you'r doing |
| 23:53.14 | thingfish | every video card I've had has lasted like 2 years tops. |
| 23:53.19 | nanok | mrverbose: it seems like you have some reading to do ;) |
| 23:53.38 | weasel00 | dannythm : i would check the ip from the box to your drop and make sure all the forwarding is happening correcly... would guess its being blocked somewhere |
| 23:53.47 | dannythm | thingfish: wich card will you recomend now to buy? |
| 23:53.50 | thingfish | madonna videos + bourbon + Debian = I'm in heaven. |
| 23:53.59 | weasel00 | thingfish : lmao |
| 23:54.10 | thingfish | dannythm: any newer nvidia card. |
| 23:54.18 | thingfish | ;) |
| 23:54.25 | dannythm | weasel00: like the "tracert" command in DOS? how I do that here? |
| 23:54.35 | Hessophanes | dannythm: Have you tried tcpdump to see whether your azureus is sending any IP packets at all? |
| 23:54.37 | dannythm | thingfish: nvidia? better than ati? |
| 23:54.40 | nanok | or older matrox card, depending on what you want to do w it ;) |
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| 23:54.51 | thingfish | weasel00: spell it out fully. |
| 23:55.02 | weasel00 | STB < best video cards of all time =) |
| 23:55.10 | thingfish | dannythm: seems to be better supported, or at least less problems with the card and linux. |
| 23:55.14 | brainsik | I'm starting to think having a swap partition is a bad thing. I'm think if I am running a web server and it gets totally slammed and all of my memory gets used up, i rather the oom process killer run and blow away apache processes instead of trying to use my disk as extra memory. using the disk is going to destroy the responsiveness of the machine. anyone have any thoughts on this? is there a good reason to be using swap when you |
| 23:55.16 | dannythm | Hessophanes: it says that the command don't exists... |
| 23:55.25 | Tchiak | config is all fine |
| 23:55.42 | Hessophanes | Debian package has the same name. |
| 23:55.42 | thingfish | I like my geforce fx 5900 128. |
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| 23:55.58 | dannythm | thingfish: when I learned to manage ati, never gave me a problem here ^^ |
| 23:55.58 | thingfish | it only took 2 replacements for them to get it right. :) |
| 23:56.07 | unfo | hi all, why are the blackdown java pkgs not in debian non-free? |
| 23:56.31 | thingfish | dannythm: well there's certainly something to say about sticking with what you're familiar with. |
| 23:57.12 | dannythm | thingfish: yeah xD |
| 23:57.20 | nanok | brainsik: if you really know what youre doing, you can decide not to use swap. if you have a lot of ram and know from experience it should be enough unless a memory leak, you can start thinking of not using swap. but think twice, and think about scalability also.. |
| 23:57.21 | Tchiak | this is a backup computer that usually runs idle but unfortunately my main system went down due to the power supply smelling quite ozonish |
| 23:57.45 | Tchiak | so i'm trying to use my LCD monitor so i can do things on the backup |
| 23:57.46 | yonkeltron | is there a reason i don't have a /dev/dvd? |
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| 23:57.51 | mrverbose | nanok: why? the default gateway IS that box i have the encrypted transport to, but yet traffic though that gateway is passed unencrypted to the gateway itself!!! |
| 23:57.52 | Tchiak | but 640x480 is a nasty res |
| 23:58.13 | mzilikazi | yonkeltron: just make a symlink |
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| 23:58.27 | unfo | nanok: if no swap, and something memory leaks, the kernel OOM-killer would run right? might it kill the wrong app? |
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| 23:58.29 | dannythm | Hessophanes: anyway with tcpdump to see only one port? |
| 23:58.31 | norton | i try to write to my tape device with cat some_file | gzip >/dev/st0 , but i get the error invalid argument, why? |
| 23:58.39 | nanok | mrverbose: the default gw is that box , but trough the unenc interface, not to the encrypted one |
| 23:58.43 | Hessophanes | Tchiak, what's the exact error message you get? Any (EE) lines in the X server log, or only (WW)? |
| 23:58.50 | Tchiak | one second |
| 23:58.59 | nanok | mrverbose: do you have an extra interface since you set up ipsec? |
| 23:59.05 | mrverbose | nanok: btw, i never said something about an encrypted interface! I am talking about transport-mode not tunnel-mode! |
| 23:59.07 | Hessophanes | dannythm: tcpdump -i<interface to listen on or "any"> port <port no> |
| 23:59.08 | yonkeltron | mzilikazi: ah. good idea |
| 23:59.15 | nanok | mrverbose: oh, i see |
| 23:59.41 | brainsik | nanok: well the experience i had recently was that i DID run out of memory due to a leak. it was with apache and even the swap was filled. the thing is, the machine became extremely unresponsive and i'm wondering how much of this was due to the disk thrashing very hard. if there was no swap partition, then OOM thing would have nuked apache processes and more would have been spawned in RAM (not disk) and the site may have stayed mo |
| 23:59.51 | dannythm | Hessophanes: thanks |
