| 00:00.12 | unfo | dannythm: when would you want to use tcpdump when there's ethereal? |
| 00:00.17 | nanok | mrverbose: than i guess you should look for a way to configure it in transport mode to route all the traffic, not only the one with destip=gw; see the documentation, i have no exeprience with that myself.. |
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| 00:00.21 | tarzeau | unfo: many many times |
| 00:00.27 | brainsik | nanok: but it's a theory, i'm wondering if someone here knows more about how this works. |
| 00:00.29 | unfo | like when? |
| 00:00.31 | dannythm | unfo: I dunno...^^Uu |
| 00:00.33 | tarzeau | unfo: always |
| 00:00.52 | LSorensen | norton: some devices can't be access with a random stream, they need block io. I think tape is such a device. either pipe through dd with the right block size, or use tar or some other tape tool |
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| 00:01.15 | dannythm | Hessophanes: it tells me that such device dosen't exists ^^Uu |
| 00:01.23 | nanok | brainsik: in case of a massive mem leak, and 9relatively) slow harddisk, i/o can slow your machine down a lot, indeed |
| 00:01.30 | mrverbose | nanok: which is exactly what i asked.... documentation on linux-ipsec implementation is very poor unfortunately |
| 00:01.32 | Hessophanes | brainsik: Keep in mind that the OOM killer kills at random, so you might lose other processes besides apache... |
| 00:01.39 | Tchiak | no EE but there are some WW's |
| 00:01.42 | LSorensen | mbishop: openswan docs are not that bad |
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| 00:01.51 | LSorensen | er mrverbose |
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| 00:02.05 | brainsik | Hessophanes: oh, i thought it nuked the most recent processes |
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| 00:02.39 | Hessophanes | brainsik: No, see the bottom of the malloc(3) manpage, section "BUGS". There is a little text about the OOM killer. |
| 00:02.46 | mrverbose | LSorensen: i am not using openswan, i am using the default kernel 2.6 implementation (non-patched) |
| 00:02.49 | brainsik | Hessophanes: awesome, thanks |
| 00:02.50 | nanok | mrverbose: try to use google to see if you get any luck for your particular problem. if no luck, maybe think of using ipsec in "tunel mode" instead of "transport mode" |
| 00:02.55 | Tchiak | Hessophanes: no EE's but there are some WW's |
| 00:03.03 | Hessophanes | dannythm: What exactly was your commandline? |
| 00:03.14 | LSorensen | mrverbose: that's whta I use with openswan |
| 00:03.28 | unfo | tcpdump seems not to have the nice "Follow TCP Stream" feature ethereal does. also, does it show packet contents, like the contents of SMB error packets? |
| 00:03.28 | Hessophanes | Tchiak: Hmm... and one of them is mentioning something like "out of memory"? |
| 00:03.34 | mrverbose | i am using the kame-tools or what they are called. |
| 00:03.34 | LSorensen | mrverbose: openswan doesn't require patching 2.6 kernels. It runs great twith the kernel implementaiton |
| 00:03.38 | dannythm | Hessophanes: tcpdump -i port 8661 |
| 00:03.45 | LSorensen | mrverbose: oh. I had no luck with those what so ever |
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| 00:03.58 | LSorensen | mrverbose: the openswan ipsec command and the 2.6 kernel was all I had any luck with |
| 00:04.03 | Hessophanes | dannythm: tcpdump -iany port 8661 ... or tcpdump -i<specify interface directly> port 8661. |
| 00:04.11 | myren | openswan does require kernel patching if you want Nat traversal, nat-t |
| 00:04.14 | Hessophanes | -i expects something. ;) |
| 00:04.25 | LSorensen | myren: could be. I don't currently use that |
| 00:04.28 | myren | or the klips ipsec implementation ... which is far cooler. it creates ipsec devices. |
| 00:04.41 | Tchiak | there are lines like that, that are II: (II) ATI(0): Not using default mode "1280x1024" (insufficient memory for mode) |
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| 00:04.45 | LSorensen | myren: I never liked that. made firewall setup a nightmare whenver a tunnel was created or torn down |
| 00:04.59 | Tchiak | but on the CRT i was able to obtain those res's |
| 00:05.10 | myren | it is a little hecktik, i blame it on some kind of need for better automation |
| 00:05.24 | myren | i try to automate everything through /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:05.37 | myren | ifup ipsec0=mainline |
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| 00:05.44 | dannythm | Hessophanes: oh, ok |
| 00:06.28 | Hessophanes | Tchiak: Hm, strange. Is your video card detected properly? (should be a few lines above the mode stuff) |
| 00:06.52 | dannythm | Hessophanes: he's making calls to the outside.... |
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| 00:07.19 | Hessophanes | dannythm: Ah - but no replies? |
| 00:07.27 | Tchiak | yes video card is detected fine |
| 00:07.42 | Tchiak | as i said i went from CRT to LCD with only changes made to the monitor section ot adjust to the LCD's specs |
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| 00:07.51 | unfo | anyone know? why are the blackdown java pkgs not in debian non-free? |
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| 00:08.03 | Tchiak | the CRT was able to get higher res's than 640x480 |
| 00:08.16 | dannythm | Hessophanes: I think there are replies too... theres much info here @_@ |
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| 00:09.00 | dannythm | Hessophanes: yes there are replies too... |
| 00:09.03 | Hessophanes | Tchiak: Are there any modes that are rejected for other reasons than "insufficient memory"? |
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| 00:09.15 | invi | did anybody build a vanilla kernel on debian sid recently, like in the last two days or so? |
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| 00:09.50 | invi | (or build a debian kernel manually, like using make, make install, etc?) |
| 00:09.51 | Hessophanes | dannythm: Ok... but azureus claims "connection timed out"? Or what is the error message? |
| 00:09.58 | Tchiak | a bunch of hysnc out of range |
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| 00:10.12 | dannythm | Hessophanes: there are various...the conection timed out is one of them |
| 00:10.57 | dannythm | there is another "IOexception: bad file descriptor" |
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| 00:12.01 | Hessophanes | Tchiak: Directly above the first mode debug message... what are the HSync, VSync and clock ranges X has detected? |
| 00:12.45 | phz114n | http://idiot.se/bilder/anusglass.jpg |
| 00:12.58 | Hessophanes | dannythm: Hmmm, strange... |
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| 00:13.56 | dannythm | Hessophanes: yeah... I know... |
| 00:14.07 | th0ger | Hi, I want to record audio playin from a website. I suppose I could grab it from /dev/audio or /dev/dps or something. But how can I find out which dev is used, and how can I record it (redirection?) |
| 00:14.27 | weasel00 | i asked before but lost my notes.. what are better firewall solutions on debian? security is #1 |
| 00:14.36 | Kyral | IPTables? |
| 00:14.39 | Tchiak | dear god in heaven -_- |
| 00:14.42 | Tchiak | i've been editing the wrong file |
| 00:14.47 | Tchiak | config file that is |
| 00:14.51 | Hessophanes | dannythm: Do you have iptables running locally which might accidentally block outgoing traffic? |
| 00:14.56 | Tchiak | well now that i'm using the right one it works |
| 00:14.58 | Tchiak | >_< |
| 00:15.03 | Hessophanes | Tchiak: Ah. :) |
| 00:15.29 | dannythm | Hessophanes: I don't think so |
| 00:15.42 | weasel00 | !beer Tchiak |
| 00:15.56 | Hessophanes | == not running or == not blocking traffic? :) |
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| 00:17.27 | dannythm | Hessophanes: not running |
| 00:17.29 | myren | i'm the only one who uses this lpatop |
| 00:17.35 | myren | how can i start X without using gdm? |
| 00:17.51 | evilbulgarian | hi, is there a howto on installing debian over an existing linux install? |
| 00:17.51 | myren | gdm takes too much mem |
| 00:17.54 | phz114n | oh, damn, i'm sorry bout the link to the pic earlier, wrong chan :-) no harm done, i hope |
| 00:18.01 | Kyral | myren, startx? |
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| 00:18.04 | Hessophanes | myren: startx / xinit. |
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| 00:18.58 | myren | no wm starts |
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| 00:19.14 | Hessophanes | dannythm: Hm, my ideas are running short... ;) |
| 00:19.14 | mrverbose | maybe transport mode is not capable of doing what i want |
| 00:19.21 | myren | startx does suid so a user can run X? |
| 00:19.27 | abrotman | tarzeau: what did you say to me? |
| 00:20.07 | Hessophanes | myren: No, startx is usually called as the user who wants to run a session. |
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| 00:21.29 | dannythm | Hessophanes: hmm... it may be of some info to you that a few days ago I was running sarge and it all worked right, this happened to me since I upgraded to etch |
| 00:22.09 | abrotman | eeyore-: sorry .. i was headed home :) |
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| 00:23.03 | Hessophanes | dannythm: Yes, I know... but I can't make any sense of it... |
| 00:23.28 | myren | how do i get startx to run a wm? |
| 00:23.35 | abrotman | !xsession |
| 00:23.35 | dpkg | hmm... xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
| 00:23.56 | abrotman | myren: erm .. /msg dpkg .xinitrc |
| 00:24.08 | dannythm | Hessophanes: it should work just right... |
| 00:24.14 | abrotman | myren: hrm .. no . just use .xsession |
| 00:24.31 | myren | which one /wont/ run when i do startup with gdm? |
| 00:24.50 | myren | i dont want to bork my existing wm if i run something else |
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| 00:27.11 | ne0futur | myren: echo wmaker >~/.xinitrc |
| 00:28.13 | dannythm | Hessophanes: I'm sorry I'll go to sleep, In 6 h I hace electromagnetysm lab, so If you coem up with anything you can mail me if you want.... |
| 00:28.30 | Hessophanes | dannythm: I just wanted to write something similar. ;) |
| 00:28.53 | dannythm | Hessophanes: woops! ;) |
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| 00:29.28 | weasel00 | anyone know a decent vpn, firewall, router guide for deb? |
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| 00:29.42 | dannythm | Hessophanes: ow, well, I'm sure you'll be here tomorrow aswell didn't you? |
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| 00:30.05 | abrotman | weasel00: those are different things .. which would you like first? |
| 00:30.10 | abrotman | !tell weasel00 about iptables |
| 00:30.13 | abrotman | !tell weasel00 about openvpn |
| 00:30.17 | abrotman | oh bah |
| 00:30.24 | dannythm | Hessophanes: so I'll ask for the same problem, then if you are here, you'll help me if you come up with something :D |
| 00:30.32 | dannythm | Hessophanes: thaks anywasy ;) |
| 00:30.33 | abrotman | !tell weasel00 about vpn |
| 00:30.34 | Hessophanes | Hm, can't make any promises... ok, we'll see. :) |
| 00:30.44 | abrotman | dannythm: what's wrong? |
| 00:30.51 | abrotman | or maybe i should ask Hessophanes :) |
| 00:31.07 | weasel00 | abtroyman : prolly firewall =) |
| 00:31.10 | fluxt | hi, how do i issue a shell command from within awk? i'm using it to get the pid, ex. ps -A | grep root-tail | awk 'END { print $1 }' |
| 00:31.12 | Hessophanes | The azureus-cant-connect-to-anyone-since-upgrade-from-sarge-to-etch problem... |
| 00:31.31 | fluxt | i just wanna kill the pid.. |
| 00:31.31 | dannythm | abrotman: exatly that |
| 00:31.36 | abrotman | fluxt: wtf is END? |
| 00:31.44 | abrotman | dannythm: use gtk-gnutella? problem solved :) |
| 00:31.50 | Hessophanes | hehe |
| 00:31.56 | abrotman | !win me |
| 00:31.56 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won the US presidency! |
| 00:31.58 | fluxt | a fucntion? it works, is there a better way? |
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| 00:32.17 | dannythm | abrotman: lol, I'l tryy that ^^ thanks! |
| 00:32.25 | abrotman | fluxt: ps -a | grep root-tail | grep -v grep | awk '{print $1}' | xargs kill |
| 00:32.35 | fluxt | thanks abrotman |
| 00:32.37 | dannythm | thanks to everybody! |
| 00:32.44 | abrotman | fluxt: assuming -a and -A do the same thing :) |
| 00:32.47 | dannythm | the most of ppl ehre is great ppl ^^ |
| 00:32.50 | abrotman | fluxt: also .. try pidof |
| 00:32.57 | dannythm | see you all soon!! |
| 00:32.58 | dannythm | bye |
| 00:33.01 | dannythm | ! |
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| 00:33.10 | abrotman | dannythm: enjoy |
| 00:33.26 | fluxt | abrotman, probably, i learnt -A a very long time ago |
| 00:33.35 | unfo | do any of the free vm's have mozilla plugins available? |
| 00:33.36 | mike4479 | Can anyine please help me I get error when trying to modprobe ndiswrapper modprobe ndiswrapper modprobe ndiswrapper FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found. |
| 00:33.42 | unfo | s/vm's/java vm's |
| 00:33.51 | Hessophanes | Gn8 all... |
| 00:33.53 | abrotman | unfo: not that i'm aware of .. maybe ask #debian-java |
| 00:33.55 | Wyzard | mike4479: Have you installed it? |
| 00:34.02 | unfo | abrotman: i'll try, thanks |
| 00:34.06 | abrotman | Wyzard: too obvious! |
| 00:34.15 | abrotman | Wyzard: i went to yamashiro over the weekend |
| 00:34.24 | mike4479 | Wyzard: I have install ndiswrapper utils |
| 00:34.25 | Wyzard | abrotman: How was it? |
| 00:34.41 | Wyzard | mike4479: That's not ndiswrapper itself... ndiswrapper is a kernel module |
| 00:34.43 | abrotman | Wyzard: it was .. ok .. i went with a 6 y/o .. food was ok .. cooks are entertaining :) |
| 00:34.55 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 00:35.01 | abrotman | Wyzard: a 6 y/o and two friends from home |
| 00:35.03 | fluxt | abrotman, xargs is cool, thanks so much for that one :) |
| 00:35.11 | abrotman | fluxt: enjoy |
| 00:35.23 | abrotman | fluxt: but pidof might make it even easier |
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| 00:35.38 | fluxt | abrotman, yep i see that now |
| 00:36.01 | mike4479 | Wyzard: is there a module for 2.6.15-1-486 |
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| 00:36.15 | abrotman | mike4479: apt-cache search ndiswrapper |
| 00:36.36 | elirips | hello. i just installed kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 and udev, but now when booting the system i have lots of error like 'localhost modprobe: WARNING: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist line xx: ignoring bad line starting with 'blacklist'' i am using debian sarge. anyone knows what goes wrong? besides i still have a 2.4 kernel installed, if that matters.. |
| 00:36.42 | mike4479 | f |
| 00:36.42 | Wyzard | mike4479: Use module-assistant to build the ndiswrapper for your specific kernel |
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| 00:37.04 | abrotman | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 00:37.04 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ndiswrapper one-liner is apt-get install build-essential ndiswrapper-source module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
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| 00:37.25 | Daveman | sup abrotman? |
| 00:37.30 | unfo | abrotman: cool :) |
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| 00:37.33 | abrotman | mike4479: ^^ |
| 00:37.35 | Daveman | huhu ndiswrapper |
| 00:37.35 | abrotman | Daveman: hi |
| 00:37.37 | mike4479 | Wyzard: ok thanks so is the module-assistant a another package I should get |
| 00:37.38 | Daveman | :) |
| 00:37.44 | abrotman | unfo: did they help you? |
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| 00:38.01 | Wyzard | mike4479: Yes... it's a tool for building kernel modules from "-source" packages |
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| 00:38.07 | abrotman | Gnea: bring me a sandwich! |
| 00:38.14 | dannythm | abrotman: so... gnutella acepts torrent files? |
| 00:38.15 | abrotman | Wyzard: /msg dpkg ndiswrapper one-liner |
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| 00:38.29 | abrotman | dannythm: uhm .. i thought azeurus was for gnutella stuff |
| 00:38.35 | mike4479 | Wyzard: ok thanks alot I am going to give that a try |
| 00:38.42 | abrotman | dannythm: try .. rtorrent or bttornado-gui |
| 00:38.43 | forrest_ | is there a program where on a ppc i can run mac os9/x programs on |
| 00:38.44 | Wyzard | abrotman: Azureus is a torrent client |
| 00:38.50 | Daveman | haha |
| 00:38.50 | Wyzard | not gnutella |
| 00:38.56 | abrotman | forrest_: ask #debianppc |
| 00:39.01 | Daveman | abrotman, what kind? |
| 00:39.06 | abrotman | Daveman: ? |
| 00:39.15 | abrotman | Daveman: ham and swiss would be yummy |
| 00:39.55 | Daveman | okay :) |
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| 00:40.20 | fluxt | abrotman, i just discovered killall :) |
| 00:40.29 | abrotman | fluxt: be careful with that |
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| 00:40.55 | abrotman | dannythm: i apologize .. i thought azerus was for gnutella .. |
| 00:41.08 | mike4479 | abrotman: thanks also |
| 00:41.16 | abrotman | that must be limewire or something |
| 00:41.37 | resiak | *nods* |
| 00:42.04 | abrotman | now if only i could spell aszuerus |
| 00:42.10 | Daveman | haha |
| 00:42.22 | Daveman | haha (again) |
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| 00:43.06 | avar | why was I banned on this channel? |
| 00:43.11 | avar | Did .is get banned or something? |
| 00:43.21 | dannythm | abrotman: np |
| 00:43.30 | abrotman | avar: you're here aren't you |
| 00:43.37 | abrotman | dannythm: azeurues doesn't start at all ? |
| 00:43.43 | avar | abrotman: I'm wondering why I got banned before |
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| 00:43.53 | abrotman | dunno |
| 00:44.01 | avar | zomg, the great unknown! |
| 00:44.02 | dannythm | abrotman: a lame question... I apt-get insalled bittornado-gui, but it won't execute with "bittornado-gui" |
| 00:44.14 | dannythm | abrotman: yes, it starts, but don't get any connection |
| 00:44.15 | avar | dpkg -L bittornado-gui | grep bin |
| 00:44.15 | dpkg | No packages found matching bittornado-gui | grep bin |
| 00:44.24 | abrotman | dannythm: oh .. ok |
| 00:44.29 | avar | dpkg -L stfu-dpkg |
| 00:44.29 | dpkg | No packages found matching stfu-dpkg |
| 00:44.31 | avar | ;) |
| 00:44.32 | abrotman | dannythm: i think it's claled bttornado-gui |
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| 00:44.44 | resiak | dpkg -l abrotman |
| 00:44.44 | dpkg | No packages found matching abrotman |
| 00:44.51 | resiak | bah, someone changed them :((( |
| 00:44.56 | abrotman | resiak: /msg dpkg info abotman :) |
| 00:45.24 | abrotman | !literal cmd: -l (.*?) |
| 00:45.25 | dpkg | "#debian cmd: -l (.*?)" is "($1): <reply> (ii $1 (1|2|3).(1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9)-(|1)(1|2|3|4|5)(|||.1|.2|.3) ($nick's private (porn|gamp|stamp) collection|ultra s3kr1t #debian package)|No packages found matching $1)" |
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| 00:45.29 | resiak | ah hah |
| 00:45.32 | abrotman | !factinfo cmd: -l (.*?) |
| 00:45.32 | dpkg | CMD: -l (.*?) -- last modified at Sat Dec 6 07:03:27 2003 by dondelelcaro!~don@archimedes.ucr.edu; it has been requested 67 times, last by resiak, 48s ago. |
| 00:45.37 | abrotman | oh well |
| 00:45.42 | resiak | *shrug* |
| 00:45.56 | abrotman | maybe he fixed dpkg's randomizer :) |
| 00:46.05 | dannythm | abrotman: nope, it's bittornado-gui... but I don't know how to initiate it |
| 00:46.44 | thingfish | king-of-no-pants: oh, so you are in here after all. |
| 00:46.55 | dannythm | abrotman:http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/bittornado-gui |
| 00:46.57 | _joey | how do I list directories only in a directory without going recursively ? |
| 00:47.10 | abrotman | dannythm: btdownloadgui |
| 00:47.14 | basbryan | ls without -R? |
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| 00:47.29 | abrotman | _joey: ls -ld <directory> ? |
| 00:47.32 | _joey | it's going to list the files too |
| 00:47.41 | dannythm | abrotman: thanks |
| 00:47.48 | basbryan | _joey: ls -l | grep ^d |
| 00:47.48 | abrotman | dannythm: get it working? |
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| 00:48.07 | abrotman | dannythm: admittedly .. i don't use it much at all .. so i can't say if the version currently in etch works |
| 00:48.28 | abrotman | dannythm: but it's always worked well enough in the past .. admittedly .. it's pretty simple .. not many options |
| 00:48.52 | _joey | abrotman that doesn't work |
| 00:49.13 | _joey | basbryan your solution works except I don't need the final output in a long format |
| 00:49.48 | abrotman | _joey: i think i misunderstood your question |
| 00:49.54 | abrotman | dannythm: get it figured out? |
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| 00:50.34 | basbryan | _joey: ls -d? |
| 00:51.25 | dannythm | abrotman: I'm searchina torrent (azureus was cool getting URL directly) |
| 00:51.46 | abrotman | dannythm: yeah .. bttornado is just a client |
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| 00:52.23 | nvz | great now I got a little bit of a soar throat |
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| 00:52.44 | raf256 | how can I allow user Foo to run processes even with -10 nice, but leave default at 0 ? |
| 00:52.57 | dannythm | abrotman: I want to download... so I don't matter how ^^ |
| 00:53.17 | forrest | is there a program to run mac os programs under linux on ppc |
| 00:53.34 | azeem | mol |
| 00:53.38 | azeem | forrest: ^^ |
| 00:54.07 | forrest | ? |
| 00:54.07 | abrotman | nvz: sore ? |
| 00:54.09 | dannythm | forrest: use OSx,, Its unix based =P |
| 00:54.14 | forrest | :P |
| 00:54.17 | forrest | no really |
| 00:54.20 | abrotman | forrest: i told you .. ask #debianppc |
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| 00:54.36 | azeem | !info mol |
| 00:54.37 | forrest | hrm |
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| 00:54.47 | abrotman | he didn't have to leave here :) |
| 00:54.51 | Daveman | :p |
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| 01:01.10 | d03boy | how do I start ftpd? |
| 01:01.46 | d03boy | i wouldve thought its ftpd start but that clearly doesnt work |
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| 01:02.04 | dannythm | abrotman: teh bttornado says that cannot connect to the tracker |
| 01:02.16 | avar | omg |
| 01:02.19 | avar | must be a bug in debian |
| 01:02.23 | abrotman | dannythm: maybe it's your ISP ? |
| 01:02.42 | abrotman | dannythm: have a URL for the tracker? msg me |
| 01:02.52 | mike4479 | Wyzard: you here still? |
| 01:03.04 | dannythm | abrotman: I don't have an urp of the tracker |
| 01:03.12 | abrotman | dannythm: the torrent i mean |
| 01:03.23 | m3tam0rph | dang it. |
| 01:03.32 | m3tam0rph | what's apache's version in the unstable branch ? |
| 01:03.43 | abrotman | !Info apache2-common sid |
| 01:03.44 | dpkg | apache2-common: has nothing about Info |
| 01:03.52 | abrotman | !info apache2-common sid |
| 01:03.54 | dpkg | apache2-common: (next generation, scalable, extendable web server), section net, is optional. Version: 2.0.55-4 (sid), Packaged size: 787 kB, Installed size: 3060 kB |
| 01:04.00 | m3tam0rph | blargh |
| 01:04.02 | m3tam0rph | not 2.1 |
| 01:04.10 | abrotman | !info apache2-common experimental |
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| 01:04.19 | abrotman | and not in experimental |
| 01:04.25 | m3tam0rph | thanks. |
| 01:04.35 | ansong | is there a file size limit on an smbfs mounted volume? |
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| 01:05.26 | mike4479 | I get a error when tryiing to build ndiswrapper-module from source with module-assistant dose anyone wnat to look at it? and is tere a paste service? |
| 01:05.26 | abrotman | ansong: what is the host filesystem ? |
| 01:05.34 | dannythm | abrotman: how can I reopen closed sesions of bttornado? |
| 01:05.47 | abrotman | dannythm: uhm .. i thnk it just does it ? |
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| 01:05.58 | AlienX | dannythm, btdownloadcurses *.torrent |
| 01:06.09 | abrotman | he's using the GUI |
| 01:06.12 | AlienX | dannythm, then it'll calculate what has been downloaded thus far |
| 01:06.30 | AlienX | abrotman and dannythm, ohh, well then use btdownloadgui |
| 01:06.59 | d03boy | bash: ftpd: command not found <-- anyone know whats up? its installed |
| 01:07.19 | abrotman | d03boy: look in /etc/init.d/ |
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| 01:07.23 | d03boy | oh ya |
| 01:07.33 | abrotman | dannythm: afaict .. no peers ? |
| 01:07.49 | abrotman | dannythm: i have the same problem .. |
| 01:08.17 | mike4479 | Can anyone please give me a paste service url please |
| 01:08.20 | dannythm | abrotman: don't connect? |
| 01:08.24 | d03boy | abrotman, nothing in there dealing wiht ftp |
| 01:08.31 | azeem | !paster |
| 01:08.31 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 01:08.32 | m3tam0rph | How do I get LF support (large files) on apache in sid or testing, besides re-compiling it ? |
| 01:08.36 | dannythm | abrotman: but the web says that there are peer and leechers |
| 01:08.39 | ansong | abrotman, ntfs; i've got a disk that's dying--well, dead really--and valdyn suggested earlier that i try dd_rescue. i've got the host system (a laptop) booted with a knoppix disk and mounted a share on my wife's computer (XP). then i began dd_rescue. after a couple hours and 1096 errors it quit with the image file at 2GB saying "file size limit exceeded" |
| 01:08.51 | mike4479 | azeem: thnaks |
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| 01:08.55 | abrotman | dannythm: i'm going to try a debian torrent |
| 01:09.17 | abrotman | 2GB is a plausible limit |
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| 01:09.56 | dannythm | abrotman: oh, it's locating peers... I'm going to let it tonight and see what hapens |
| 01:09.59 | abrotman | dannythm: well .. either debian torrents suck .. my isp is blocking it .. or the program is broken |
| 01:10.12 | dannythm | abrotman: now I finally can go to sleep! |
| 01:10.20 | abrotman | dannythm: night |
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| 01:10.48 | dannythm | abrotman: thanks!!! g'night! |
| 01:10.48 | obscuresoul | hello |
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| 01:11.13 | ansong | abrotman, from smbfs? that's great, i've got to image a 40GB disk! :( |
| 01:11.19 | mike4479 | Can anyone please help me with this please http://channels.debian.net/paste/2081 |
| 01:11.37 | thingfish | I think kids are the root of most home computer problems... |
| 01:11.51 | abrotman | ansong: you're trying to copy to NTFS ? |
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| 01:12.13 | thingfish | surely not. |
| 01:12.22 | dvs | !seen Canna |
| 01:12.23 | dpkg | canna is currently on #debian (18h 47m 9s). Has said a total of 15 messages. Is idling for 16h 38m 58s |
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| 01:12.48 | thingfish | although over the network, if it's writable, it should be fine. |
| 01:12.57 | abrotman | ansong: ? |
| 01:13.20 | ansong | abrotman, yes. laptop is being copied raw, ie: /dev/hda2 target is an ntfs share |
| 01:13.54 | obscuresoul | which package contains the vi editor? |
| 01:14.09 | nanok | thingfish: i tend to think parents are more likely to be the culprit. kids can handle computers just fine, usualy ;) |
| 01:14.11 | abrotman | ansong: xp? win2k ? |
| 01:14.16 | abrotman | obscuresoul: nvi or vim |
| 01:14.19 | nanok | obscuresoul: vi? |
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| 01:14.22 | nanok | ah.. |
| 01:14.23 | ansong | abrotman, the ntfs share (xp pro) is mounted locally |
| 01:14.29 | obscuresoul | abrotman, tks |
| 01:14.34 | abrotman | ok |
| 01:14.38 | nanok | and there is also a tiny version, i think |
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| 01:14.52 | d03boy | can anyone hook me up with a solid sources.list? the one I'm using seems to be shoddy |
| 01:15.00 | ansong | abrotman, i mean over the network to /home/knoppix/rescue |
| 01:15.02 | abrotman | apt-setup ? |
| 01:15.05 | dvs | d03boy: paste it |
| 01:15.09 | nanok | d03boy: apt-setup |
| 01:15.17 | ansong | d03boy, just don't paste it here! |
| 01:15.23 | d03boy | dvs, either that, or kdevelop3-data just simply doesnt like me |
| 01:15.42 | abrotman | ansong: according to MS .. it shouldn't be an issue |
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| 01:17.33 | mike4479 | Can someone help me here please? http://channels.debian.net/paste/2081 |
| 01:18.03 | ansong | abrotman, thats what i thought. |
| 01:18.05 | d03boy | http://pastebin.com/604642 Here is my sources.list, I recently changed it from "sarge" to "testing" |
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| 01:18.16 | abrotman | ansong: what are the kernels on each machine ? |
| 01:18.20 | dvs | d03boy: Then you have etch |
| 01:18.37 | d03boy | dvs, oh... shadowcat told me to :P |
| 01:18.42 | nanok | d03boy: could you please state the problem? |
| 01:19.03 | nanok | d03boy: as opposed to what you think the solution is.. ? ;) |
| 01:19.11 | dvs | d03boy: Shad0wcat is right |
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| 01:19.18 | nanok | d03boy: as opposed to stating what you think the solution is.. ? ;) |
| 01:19.19 | d03boy | nanok, well I have two problems. First, when I apt-get kdevelop3 it refuses to install due to unmet dependencies (which is kdevelop3-data). When that tries to install it gives me perl errors. Then ftpd doesnt work |
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| 01:19.54 | nanok | d03boy: hm. where does ftpd come into all this? |
| 01:20.03 | d03boy | dvs, Yeah. I do not doubt his expertise. He beats me with his fists. |
| 01:20.16 | nanok | d03boy: have you issued apt-get update? did it work fine? |
| 01:20.19 | d03boy | nanok, two totally seperate issues that both came up after I edited my sources.list and upgraded |
| 01:20.39 | nanok | d03boy: have you done a dist-upgrade? or an upgrade? |
| 01:20.41 | d03boy | nanok, I think I did last time I tried, but not today. I'll try again |
| 01:20.48 | d03boy | nanok, I think it was a dist-upgrade |
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| 01:20.58 | nanok | d03boy: i see. and was it succesfull |
| 01:21.07 | d03boy | as far as I can tell |
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| 01:21.10 | nanok | d03boy: try to just write apt-get install |
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| 01:21.30 | d03boy | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:21.30 | abrotman | ansong: ? |
| 01:21.36 | nanok | d03boy: it will say if it is up to date, how many packages are not updated, etc. tell us what it says |
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| 01:21.46 | d03boy | thats the only one |
| 01:21.54 | ryan` | is there a simple way to list all the files a package contains? |
| 01:21.57 | mike4479 | anyone here good with module-assistant |
| 01:22.04 | nanok | ryan`: dpkg -L package |
| 01:22.11 | abrotman | mike4479: just ask |
| 01:22.26 | nanok | mike4479: we all are. we are all guru's, and shit |
| 01:22.27 | nanok | ;) |
| 01:22.37 | mike4479 | abortman: look here http://channels.debian.net/paste/2081 |
| 01:22.50 | mike4479 | nanok: look here http://channels.debian.net/paste/2081 |
| 01:22.55 | mike4479 | thnaks |
| 01:22.57 | Gnea | ryan`: that only works with installed packages |
| 01:23.16 | abrotman | Gnea: SANDWICH! |
| 01:23.18 | ryan` | what about packages that aren't installed? |
| 01:23.26 | Gnea | abrotman: TACO! |
| 01:23.32 | abrotman | ok |
| 01:23.38 | AlienX | pink taco? |
| 01:23.41 | abrotman | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 01:23.41 | dpkg | methinks ndiswrapper one-liner is apt-get install build-essential ndiswrapper-source module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
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| 01:23.58 | slinn | why wouldn't an ssh tunnel work on a read-only machine? |
| 01:24.35 | Gnea | abrotman: MILKSHAKE! |
| 01:24.37 | Stevie | read-only? |
| 01:24.38 | nanok | slinn: what does a readonly machine mean? |
| 01:24.40 | mike4479 | abortman: dose that not just do the same thing as ndiswrapper |
| 01:25.05 | Gnea | mike4479: is that the process you used, precisely, to install your ndiswrapper source? |
| 01:25.07 | abrotman | mike4479: i don't know .. but someone wiser than me who has actually used ndiswrapper has presumably written that and verified it working |
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| 01:25.29 | mike4479 | abortman: ok thanks |
| 01:25.39 | ansong | abrotman, the knoppix disk is using 2.6.12, it is on the laptop. the other system in the equation is running xp-pro. sorry i didn't reply sooner, i was looking through the dd_rescue log (which didn't contain any useful info) |
| 01:25.41 | mike4479 | Gnea: yes |
| 01:25.48 | mike4479 | but failed |
| 01:25.49 | Gnea | mike4479: using what branch? |
| 01:25.59 | slinn | nanok: it's a system existing in ram, but read-only |
| 01:26.00 | abrotman | ansong: there are limits in 2.4 .. but i'm not sure if they went into 2.6 or not |
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| 01:26.01 | Gnea | yes, i can read |
| 01:26.24 | mike4479 | Gnea: i am kind of new to linux what do you mean by branch |
| 01:26.29 | ansong | abrotman, i looked through /etc/security/limits.conf but all the lines were commented out. |
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| 01:26.48 | Gnea | mike4479: the branch of debian - sarge/stable, etch/testing or sid/unstable? |
| 01:26.49 | nanok | slinn: like a livecd or similar? |
| 01:26.59 | slinn | nanok: yeah, similar to a livecd |
| 01:27.19 | nanok | slinn: also, what does "doesnt work" actually mean |
| 01:27.20 | mike4479 | Gnea: unstable |
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| 01:27.40 | Gnea | mike4479: you're certainly a trooper. what kind of cpu do you have? |
| 01:27.55 | Stevie | nanok: "doesn't work" means it sits on the couch all day and watches tv and collects welfare checks |
| 01:27.57 | nanok | slinn: most livecd's and "similar" use a ramdisk, to have some rw capab (most *nix systems are very hard or impossible to run fully readonly..) |
| 01:28.02 | Stevie | welfare check part optional |
| 01:28.17 | Gnea | Stevie: and leaves potato chip stains everywhere |
| 01:28.18 | nanok | Stevie: i see. |
| 01:28.21 | mike4479 | Gnea: A realy old PII 450MHZ lappy |
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| 01:28.30 | nanok | slinn: shoot the mofo, whatya waiting for |
| 01:28.32 | nanok | :P |
| 01:28.32 | AlienX | mike4479, why are you running unstable if you're new to linux? I mean, you can do it but chances are you're going to run into problems you don't know how to fix |
| 01:28.37 | Gnea | mike4479: interesting - do you have a make and model for that? |
| 01:28.41 | slinn | nanok: it's a small project of mine ;) |
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| 01:28.46 | Gnea | AlienX: back off. |
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| 01:29.08 | AlienX | Gnea, why? I'm not harassing him, just wondering... |
| 01:29.09 | mike4479 | Gnea: Acer travelmate 340 |
| 01:29.10 | ansong | abrotman, thanks for the help, i've got to get going. i'll see what i can find later |
| 01:29.13 | slinn | nanok: sounds odd, but it's nice... "unhackable" and such |
| 01:29.21 | abrotman | ansong: there should be a way to do it darn it :) |
| 01:29.22 | slinn | pain in the ass to get going perfectly, though |
| 01:29.24 | zOap | someone got something for insomnia? other than a sledgehammer? |
| 01:29.25 | mike4479 | AlienX: very trure |
| 01:29.32 | abrotman | !beer zOap |
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| 01:29.38 | thingfish | zOap: Lunesta. |
| 01:29.40 | d03boy | ya'll gave up on me :| |
| 01:29.47 | ansong | abrotman, there's got to be. i'll keep looking. thanks again. |
| 01:29.49 | zOap | aah, just what I needed, abrotman :) |
| 01:30.07 | nanok | slinn: if it is not sitting on the couch and such, as stevie suggested, please tell us what not working means, so we can help |
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| 01:30.13 | Gnea | mike4479: hrm, well the reason i ask is because it looks like you're trying to compile it for a 486 arch, and if it's a p2, then it's definately i686-based... did you compile the kernel too? |
| 01:30.21 | thingfish | or opium works, too. you don't fall asleep, but it doesn't matter. :0 |
| 01:30.33 | willows_mine | hey guys... got debian running... any good absic tutorials? |
| 01:30.46 | Gnea | !tell willows_mine about newbie_guide |
| 01:30.51 | nanok | slinn: (i have a hunch it is trying to write the host key to .ssh/known_hosts ) |
| 01:30.58 | willows_mine | thanks |
| 01:31.01 | Gnea | :) |
| 01:31.04 | zOap | thingfish, hehe, yeah, but then again, I have ad/hd, so opium is not the solution.. makes me banana:) |
| 01:31.13 | nanok | slinn: and for some strange reason...it cant :). but it depends what you are doing.. |
| 01:31.21 | slinn | nanok: yeah, it's hard for me to figure out why it's not working |
| 01:31.31 | slinn | nanok: i'm trying to do that now to be able to explain better |
| 01:31.39 | thingfish | zOap: frankly, I haven't done it for probably 20+ years. |
| 01:32.06 | nanok | slinn: it is just as hard for me. i have a laptop and it is not working. could you perhaps have any idea what is wrong with it?.. |
| 01:32.09 | mike4479 | Gnea: I just did a net install and then upgrade the kernel to the 486 threw package manager But i coould never get ndiswrapper modprobe to work even with stable builds for some reasons |
| 01:32.11 | zOap | but heck,banana is better than insomnia.. well, me neither, well, 10 years since the last time.. don't miss it.. |
| 01:32.15 | Gnea | zOap: haha, who *doesn't* have adhd? ;) |
| 01:32.23 | nanok | slinn: if you see what i mean ;) |
| 01:32.27 | slinn | nanok: it's a basic ircd through a tunnel using rsa1 keys w/ passphrase |
| 01:32.33 | slinn | nanok: i totally see what you mean |
| 01:32.37 | slinn | nanok: argh |
| 01:32.37 | thingfish | I don't. I'm bipolar. :) |
| 01:32.40 | zOap | Gnea, well, I hear it is THE sickness these days:) |
| 01:32.49 | AlienX | thingfish, lithium is your friend ;) |
| 01:33.00 | nanok | slinn: is it something of the kind " ssh -R blah blah"? |
| 01:33.01 | thingfish | AlienX: no, Lamictal is. |
| 01:33.10 | Gnea | zOap: it's not a sickness, it's actually 'being relatively normal' |
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| 01:33.14 | AlienX | thingfish, or that :) does it actually work? |
| 01:33.23 | slinn | nanok: yea |
| 01:33.27 | thingfish | it has like 95% cured my rapid cycle bipolar disorder. |
| 01:33.35 | thingfish | I swear. |
| 01:33.35 | AlienX | thingfish, sweet! |
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| 01:33.46 | thingfish | it's fucking amazing, really. |
| 01:33.47 | zOap | hmm, I prefer Stilnoct though. Makes my wallpapers fly and my teddybear talk :) |
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| 01:33.50 | Gnea | mike4479: okay, try installing the 686 image instead of the 486 one and trying again |
| 01:33.52 | thingfish | hwhw |
| 01:33.55 | george_ | what's the program that's used to download a debian install to (say) a portable hd or zip disk or the like, while you're in debian? |
| 01:33.56 | thingfish | oops |
| 01:33.56 | Stevie | thingfish: ssh -R blah blah has cured your manic depression? |
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| 01:34.01 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:34.09 | nanok | slinn: well. for ssh to work (unless you disable strict checking, which i discourage), you need both hosts to know eachother. |
| 01:34.15 | Stevie | Maybe I'm getting my conversations confused. |
| 01:34.17 | thingfish | yes, it and complex chemicals. |
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| 01:34.30 | Gnea | george_: an 'install'? |
| 01:34.32 | nanok | slinn: remember, when you first login on a host via ssh, ssh asks you about savin the hosts key?.. |
| 01:34.38 | Gnea | george_: chroot, perhaps? |
| 01:34.46 | zOap | well, need sleep... *shrug* see you later guys |
| 01:34.55 | thingfish | nities |
| 01:35.03 | mike4479 | Gnea: ok thanks for your encouragement and help I will give that a try |
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| 01:35.07 | bowman | heya. I use mysql-server-5.0, and I need to pass mysqld a command line option at startup - where do I have to put this in? the mysql startup scripts are nested quite deeply :-) |
| 01:35.12 | george_ | I know theres debootstrap, but there's another one |
| 01:35.15 | nanok | slinn: that is perhaps your problem. that key must be present in .ssh/known_hosts usualy (it is a file which is appended to) |
| 01:35.16 | Stevie | I love doing this: ssh -R 15022:localhost:22 |
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| 01:35.22 | thingfish | I gotta cook a chicken here sooner or later... |
| 01:35.25 | Stevie | perfect for piercing firewalls |
| 01:35.37 | bowman | s/at startup/at system startup/g |
| 01:35.40 | Gnea | Stevie: how so? |
| 01:35.55 | Stevie | do you know what that does, Gnea? |
| 01:36.19 | Gnea | yeah it redirects a new listening port 15022 to localhost 22 |
| 01:36.20 | nanok | Stevie: ssh is really sweet in providing that; encrypted tunell at your fingertips, in just a few seconds. no trouble. really nice |
| 01:36.39 | Gnea | Stevie: yeah, it only works if the firewall is crap :) |
| 01:36.44 | Stevie | Gnea: ssh -R 15022:localhost:22 user@publichost |
| 01:37.03 | Stevie | Gnea: I then connect to publichost and ssh -P 15022 user2@localhost |
| 01:37.05 | nanok | Gnea: or if you are doing from behind the firewall ;) |
| 01:37.25 | Stevie | Gnea: voila, I have an ssh connection INTO the machine that did the original ssh -R |
| 01:37.49 | Stevie | On the web is a sample cronjob that maintains the ssh -R automatically |
| 01:37.51 | nanok | Gnea: if a firewall that allows me to ssh to the outside and ahve esatblished, connected trough it is crap... |
| 01:38.02 | Gnea | nothing new, again it all goes back to shoddy firewall work in the first place |
| 01:38.08 | nanok | Gnea: sometimes i think i would shoot sysadmins that think like you |
| 01:38.17 | nanok | :) |
| 01:38.22 | Stevie | Gnea: What firewall rule would you use to block that? |
| 01:38.29 | Gnea | nanok: why, because we're right? :) |
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| 01:38.41 | nanok | established,related, pardon me |
| 01:38.58 | Gnea | Stevie: pretty simple, block everything by default |
| 01:39.08 | Stevie | Gnea: So you'd block ssh? |
| 01:39.13 | Gnea | oh hell yeah |
| 01:39.24 | Stevie | I'd have to go with nanok on that one and shoot you |
| 01:39.36 | AlienX | why in the world would you block ssh? |
| 01:39.43 | Gnea | why wouldn't I? |
| 01:39.47 | Stevie | to prevent people from using secure connections, obviously |
| 01:39.55 | Gnea | nope, guess again. |
| 01:39.57 | nanok | Gnea: right my ass. right to do what? i have a location i sometimes go to where i can only use web (http, and ftp-oh, goodie), trough a squid that crashes periodicaly and is not actualy caching, as it seems, and is filtering all kinds of file extensions |
| 01:40.09 | nanok | no ssh, no dns acces, etc. basicaly: nothing |
| 01:40.21 | Gnea | dude, chill out, i don't mean block it in a general sense |
| 01:40.22 | AlienX | Gnea, because part of the best thing about *nix administration is that you can do everything effectively remotely. So, if you have a problem you don't have to drive into work to fix it... |
| 01:40.26 | AlienX | amongst others |
| 01:40.46 | Gnea | AlienX: you still miss the point. |
| 01:40.56 | Stevie | yeah, we're not talking about sshing in |
| 01:40.57 | nanok | Gnea: if you think that is the right way to do it, than, pardon me, but you should prolly think harder.. |
| 01:41.00 | Stevie | we're talking about sshing OUT |
| 01:41.03 | Pryon | If I'm installing the clisp package and one of the recommended packages (as reported by apt-get) is lisp-compiler, and clisp *provides* lisp-compiler, is that something a maintainer would be interested in knowing? |
| 01:41.15 | Stevie | i.e. blocking outgoing ssh |
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| 01:41.32 | Gnea | Stevie: oh, you didn't state that originally. |
| 01:41.40 | AlienX | Stevie, not much point in doing that imo either |
| 01:41.41 | Stevie | what the hell do you mean? |
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| 01:41.49 | Gnea | Stevie: no, i'd have to have you shot for shooting me based on false pretenses. |
| 01:42.00 | nanok | Gnea: make us see the light: HOW would you see to that ssh tunel method not working? |
| 01:42.03 | Stevie | what do you think "ssh user@publichost" means? |
| 01:42.30 | Gnea | i wouldn't block it going out |
| 01:42.35 | Gnea | my god, what crack ARE you smoking? :) |
| 01:42.52 | nanok | Gnea: ok. you either are one of those "sysadmins" or are the one i was talking about earlyer |
| 01:42.57 | Stevie | The sort of crack that makes me think "publichost" should indicate some sort of public host |
| 01:43.23 | AlienX | no need to get pissed off, this is IRC :) |
| 01:43.30 | Gnea | Stevie: but you failed to state inbound or outbound, for one |
| 01:43.38 | Stevie | uh |
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| 01:43.47 | Gnea | Stevie: now, with the way you were stating it, i was thinking inbound |
| 01:43.53 | nanok | Stevie: oh, yeah? and when you mean "i do ssh -R blah " you mean _you_ are actually doing, not some evil twin brother from another continent.. |
| 01:43.53 | Stevie | if you type 'ssh' then it's an outbound connection |
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| 01:44.05 | nanok | Stevie: precisely.. |
| 01:44.12 | Gnea | if there was a reason to block it from above, then it would be blocked |
| 01:44.40 | Gnea | but that would require an argument :) |
| 01:44.40 | Stevie | I *know* it works. I used the technique to ssh into a laptop online through some hotel room |
| 01:44.42 | nanok | Stevie: i think we are just delusional, man. we are anot actually saying what we are saying, we just think we are |
| 01:44.45 | nanok | :P |
| 01:44.50 | Stevie | nanok: Fair enough. |
| 01:45.14 | Gnea | nanok: that's the most intelligent thing you've said in the past few screenfulls ;) |
| 01:45.23 | Stevie | anyway, I had the guy on the box ssh into a throwaway account on a publicly accessible host I had control of |
| 01:45.45 | Gnea | was that a good or bad thing? |
| 01:45.50 | Stevie | good thing |
| 01:45.54 | nanok | Gnea: oh, that is flatery.. |
| 01:45.56 | nanok | pfff |
| 01:46.16 | Gnea | !beer nanok |
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| 01:46.27 | ryan` | can anyone give me a quick hand with sed? |
| 01:46.31 | abrotman | why are flattery and flatulance so close in spelling ... |
| 01:46.35 | abrotman | ryan`: just ask |
| 01:46.42 | Stevie | then I ssh'd into the public box, and ssh'd back into aforementioned laptop through the tunnel |
| 01:46.54 | Gnea | ryan`: what are you trying to do? |
| 01:47.06 | konfuzed | uhm my brain has gone fuzzy what can I use to scan the local subnet to identify the ips of hosts plugged in to the lan |
| 01:47.13 | zenbum | abrotman: they both involve the ass? |
| 01:47.18 | konfuzed | its one of those devices with out a monitor |
| 01:47.19 | abrotman | no? |
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| 01:47.24 | Gnea | Stevie: have you ever used openvpn? |
| 01:47.32 | abrotman | konfuzed: ping broadcast? |
| 01:47.33 | nanok | konfuzed: ping? :P |
| 01:47.34 | Stevie | nope |
| 01:47.41 | nanok | konfuzed: maybe nmap -sP |
| 01:47.44 | Gnea | Stevie: it's pretty cool, you'd like it |
| 01:47.49 | konfuzed | i was trying ping broadcast may be i did it wrong |
| 01:47.53 | ryan` | I'm trying to do the qequivlant of what perl would do for 's/.(.*)/$1/' in sed. I'm tring sed 's/.(.*)/\1/' but it complains of an invalid refrence. |
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| 01:47.56 | konfuzed | nmap ah yea |
| 01:48.08 | Stevie | neato |
| 01:48.15 | Stevie | Gnea: Wanna see something REALLY neat? :) |
| 01:48.28 | Gnea | huh |
| 01:48.34 | nanok | Gnea: it is more than cool. but for sshing into some friends laptop in a hotel, ocasionally, it is not really what you would want.. |
| 01:48.39 | Unity | hello, does anyone know what i have to pass to make install to install under my home? pretend i don't have root so i can't change anything outside my home. |
| 01:48.48 | Stevie | Gnea: http://klozoff.ms11.net/pictures/debian-uml-installed.png |
| 01:48.50 | ryan` | konfuzed: arp is your friend if the devices don't respond to pings |
| 01:48.51 | Stevie | nanok: check that out too |
| 01:48.59 | nanok | Stevie: user mode linux? |
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| 01:49.11 | Stevie | nanok: yeah |
| 01:49.11 | stew | ryan`: s/.\(.*\)/\1/ ; but that is the same as just s/.// |
| 01:49.13 | Stevie | take a look :) |
| 01:49.15 | konfuzed | damn no nmap on this box and it didnt show up in synaptic either |
| 01:49.18 | nanok | Stevie: i've been planning to have a go at that one, sounds interesting.. |
| 01:49.25 | ryan` | stew: hehe |
| 01:49.29 | ryan` | you're rightr |
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| 01:49.36 | Stevie | nanok: Look at the picture :) |
| 01:49.58 | Stevie | With a lot of encouragement, I was able to run d-i (debian installer) from start to finish under UML |
| 01:50.05 | Gnea | stew: i was thinking he was trying to replace one variable set with something else |
| 01:50.09 | Stevie | encouragement from me to d-i |
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| 01:50.23 | beered | I'm using grub, and in the config file I have "kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15.5 root=/dev/hda2 ro video=radeonfb:1024x768-32". For some reason when I boot the computer, kernel ring buffer is still at 800x600. Any suggestions how to troubleshoot this? |
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| 01:50.30 | george_ | what's the program that's used to download a debian install to (say) a portable hd or zip disk or the like, while you're in debian? |
| 01:50.32 | cockroach | hi. i know, this is not exactly debian-related, but still: i keep getting a lot of "Wheel Mouse [...] lost synchronization, throwing 2 bytes away." log messages and my mouse is unresponsive for a second or two whenever that happens. from what I saw on google this is somehow related to the kernel version. is anyone aware of a way to fix that? (running 2.6.15.6) |
| 01:50.46 | Gnea | Stevie: that's cool, i've been trying to get xen working, been awhile since i mucked with it |
| 01:50.49 | ryan` | Stevie: I think i just used used debian installer chrooted to do that. |
| 01:50.57 | Stevie | see, that's not nearly as cool |
| 01:50.57 | ryan` | er |
| 01:51.02 | ryan` | i used debbootstrap |
| 01:51.05 | Stevie | yeah |
| 01:51.09 | Stevie | That's not nearly as cool |
| 01:51.12 | Gnea | lol |
| 01:51.12 | nanok | Stevie: i think i would have used debootstrap and not look back ;) |
| 01:51.40 | ryan` | Stevie, I've ran debian installer via PXE |
| 01:51.44 | Gnea | cockroach: what kinda mouse is it? |
| 01:51.45 | Stevie | pxe? |
| 01:51.48 | ryan` | that's fun :) |
| 01:51.52 | Stevie | Pathetic Xenophobic Engineers? |
| 01:52.05 | ryan` | Stevie, network boot via DHCP + TFTP |
| 01:52.09 | cockroach | Gnea: ps/2 |
| 01:52.19 | Unity | playful xylophone extremists |
| 01:52.24 | beered | Stevie: Preboot eXecution Environment |
| 01:52.30 | beered | to be exact :) |
| 01:52.34 | ryan` | on a headless machine, so I got to use the serial console. |
| 01:52.34 | Gnea | cockroach: have you tried another mouse with it or just that one? |
| 01:52.36 | Stevie | ryan`: that's pretty cool, too. But I still like the UML d-i :) |
| 01:52.40 | george_ | pretty xtreme environment |
| 01:52.40 | nanok | Stevie: ah, you mean just long for engineers from sony.. |
| 01:52.42 | nanok | :P |
| 01:52.43 | ryan` | what is the point? |
| 01:52.55 | Stevie | what is the point of UML d-i? |
| 01:53.11 | konfuzed | k so only my machine is in arp -a and ping -b is only giving me back the same ip as used with ping -b |
| 01:53.20 | nanok | ryan`: couse it's fun and gives one something to do ;) |
| 01:53.25 | konfuzed | i cant even generate the words for the part that has vacated my mind |
| 01:53.32 | cockroach | Gnea: just that one. good point :) - checking the archive... |
| 01:53.34 | Stevie | ryan`: Did you look at that screenshot? |
| 01:53.53 | nanok | konfuzed: huh? |
| 01:54.24 | konfuzed | ok im trying to find the ip address of the wan port on that other device over there |
| 01:54.28 | george_ | I'm interested in putting a debian-based installation on a usb/sata hd |
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| 01:54.39 | george_ | it's connected via usb at the moment |
| 01:54.47 | Stevie | ip addr show <iface> |
| 01:54.49 | cockroach | Gnea: okay, found another one. trying it... |
| 01:54.51 | Stevie | konfuzed |
| 01:54.52 | konfuzed | i know its on the net work properly but the lan side is not behaving right now |
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| 01:55.15 | nanok | konfuzed: you are ..konfusing us.. |
| 01:55.17 | konfuzed | so I have to try and connect to it from the lan ip which was dhcp delivered |
| 01:55.18 | yaner | Gay Niggers From Outer SPace Digitally Remastered Edition http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 01:55.18 | Stevie | konfuzed: LAN == Local Area Nyetwork ? |
| 01:55.20 | george_ | I'd prefer to not reboot into an installer |
| 01:55.22 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 01:55.22 | yaner | Gay Niggers From Outer SPace Digitally Remastered Edition http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 01:55.23 | nanok | konfuzed: be more specific.. |
| 01:55.25 | yaner | Gay Niggers From Outer SPace Digitally Remastered Edition http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 01:55.28 | george_ | I'm running debian right now |
| 01:55.28 | Stevie | AGAIN? |
| 01:55.29 | yaner | Gay Niggers From Outer SPace Digitally Remastered Edition http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
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| 01:55.30 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@Toronto-HSE-ppp3719309.sympatico.ca] by dondelelcaro |
| 01:55.30 | *** part/#debian yaner (n=jezz@Toronto-HSE-ppp3719309.sympatico.ca) |
| 01:55.30 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 01:55.30 | abrotman | !ops yaner |
| 01:55.30 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: yaner |
| 01:55.34 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: sorry |
| 01:55.39 | Stevie | one of those came in yesterday |
| 01:55.40 | konfuzed | k try once more |
| 01:55.43 | nanok | dondelelcaro: thanks.. |
| 01:55.52 | beered | hrmm... could BIOS somehow limit frame buffer? |
| 01:56.14 | unstable | yes |
| 01:56.24 | beered | yes, how? |
| 01:56.24 | dodoherty | I don't want to search around all night because I have things to do. Can someone point me in the direction of a 1152x768 or so compatible modeline orientated x config and also the link for xgl? |
| 01:56.32 | unstable | beered: update to the latest bios if you can, that always helps |
| 01:56.42 | beered | unstable: I have the latest/greatest. |
| 01:56.46 | nanok | dondelelcaro: use gtf |
| 01:56.50 | nanok | crap |
| 01:56.53 | nanok | dondelelcaro: sorry |
| 01:56.57 | george_ | so, I want to do this in debian, but I don't care much which dist goes on the hd as long as it's at least debian-based |
| 01:57.00 | nanok | dodoherty: use gtf |
| 01:57.05 | Stevie | if you have the greatest BIOS, when did you install LinuxBIOS? |
| 01:57.10 | george_ | *shrug* might as well be debian |
| 01:57.23 | beered | Stevie: What are you talking about. Linux BIOS? |
| 01:57.27 | dodoherty | nanok, I've been away from Linux for five months that means nothing to me. |
| 01:57.38 | Stevie | Some people might say I'm biased, but I think the best Debian-based distro is Debian |
| 01:57.42 | nanok | dodoherty: just do gtf --help, or man gtf |
| 01:57.54 | nanok | dodoherty: and it will ;) |
| 01:57.58 | zenbum | Stevie: :) |
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| 01:58.03 | dvm1981 | Agian :-/ |
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| 01:58.07 | konfuzed | i just plugged in a linksys router for which the wan is set to get automatically, i know that works, while messing with the lan config I buggered the lan config. Now I want to connect to the router from the WAN port address (which is an ip on my regular lan beside this workstation. so im trying to scan for the ip that has been handed out to the WAN side of this router im messing with |
| 01:58.08 | Stevie | zenbum ;-) |
| 01:58.26 | Stevie | konfuzed: That will not work. |
| 01:58.27 | george_ | so, I'm interested in finding the program (there's one other than debbootstrap) that downloads and installs the base |
| 01:58.39 | konfuzed | oh poop no wonder im not getting any where |
| 01:58.49 | Stevie | konfuzed: Unless it's been specifically reconfigured, the http server is not listening on the WAN interface |
| 01:58.57 | konfuzed | Stevie, why not? |
| 01:59.02 | nanok | konfuzed: (as a side note: do you happen to be a native german speaker?.. :) ) |
| 01:59.38 | dodoherty | nanok, it's not based on the current xorg view no? That's the one that I am having issues with, I used autodetection originally. |
| 01:59.39 | Stevie | Simple: when these things first came out, they were. The result: people plugged in their routers, didn't change the passwords, and other people would log into their routers over the 'net and fsck around with their routers |
| 01:59.45 | konfuzed | Stevie, before buggering the lan setup I turned on WAN Management to that should not be a problem |
| 01:59.49 | beered | nanok: Stevie is native German speaker. |
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| 02:00.02 | Stevie | I am? |
| 02:00.05 | beered | yep. |
| 02:00.05 | nanok | konfuzed: most routers of that kind dissallow administrative acces from wan, second of all, you would have to be in the same subnet (have an ip that is in the same "network") |
| 02:00.11 | kurumin | hello |
| 02:00.20 | konfuzed | nanok yes all that is in place |
| 02:00.29 | beered | Stevie: you certanly have German sense of humore. |
| 02:00.33 | beered | humor that is |
| 02:00.35 | konfuzed | before buggering the lan setup I turned on WAN Management to that should not be a problem |
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| 02:01.00 | nanok | konfuzed: also, some routers of that kind are set up to drop ping, by default |
| 02:01.01 | konfuzed | the wan is on the same subnet as my workstation |
| 02:01.01 | Stevie | beered: Well, that's quite plausible. My last name is Oberholtzer |
| 02:01.09 | konfuzed | hm |
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| 02:01.15 | nanok | konfuzed: your best bet would be to reset the damn thing to factory settings |
| 02:01.26 | konfuzed | i usualize tell it to respond to ping but do not remember setting it |
| 02:01.31 | Unity | anyone know if i can setup my computer to turn off after a certain process finishes? the process is already running right now. |
| 02:01.34 | kurumin | porrra |
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| 02:01.46 | konfuzed | oh this was sitting on the shelf for like 6 months so respond to ping is probably on |
| 02:02.10 | Stevie | Unity: The answer is almost certainly yes, but I'm not sure exactly how to go about doing it. |
| 02:02.28 | Stevie | konfuzed: I'm a little, well, konfuzed. Why don't you just control what dhcp address it has? |
| 02:02.33 | abrotman | Unity: while {pidof blah} .. .. once it's dead .. poweroff |
| 02:02.33 | nanok | dodoherty: neah. it is based on what you tell it ;) |
| 02:02.41 | abrotman | Unity: of course .. it will be hard to test :) |
| 02:02.54 | nanok | dodoherty: like so: gtf 1024 768 85 |
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| 02:03.02 | konfuzed | well i dont know its mac or current ip hmm the mac could be on the out side of the box |
| 02:03.08 | Unity | abrotman: yeah i'm afriad after the process is dead, it'll just sit there waiting for me to enter root password or something |
| 02:03.09 | nanok | dodoherty: meaning modeline for 1024x768 @ 85 Hz |
| 02:03.21 | Stevie | abrotman: He could just /sbin/poweroff right now -- I'm reasonably certain the process will have ceased prior to poweroff ;-) |
| 02:03.21 | beered | Stevie: hehe... well, that comes as a surprise. I though your last name was "Sehrlustigekerl" |
| 02:03.23 | abrotman | Unity: not if you run the poweroff script as root :) |
| 02:03.28 | dodoherty | nanok awesome |
| 02:03.38 | Stevie | What the fsck is a serlustigerl ? |
| 02:03.49 | beered | Stevie: it means 'very funny guy' |
| 02:03.50 | konfuzed | the linksys befsr41 does list the MAC on the outside |
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| 02:03.59 | Stevie | ah. |
| 02:04.08 | cusoon959 | debhelper, u need help opping |
| 02:04.10 | abrotman | Unity: you'd have to test with other known items |
| 02:04.15 | cusoon959 | ? |
| 02:04.32 | Unity | abrotman: maybe bash knows |
| 02:04.38 | abrotman | Unity: #bash you mean? |
| 02:04.38 | nanok | konfuzed: save yourself the trouble, and just reset the bloody thing. unless you have a really good reason not to.. |
| 02:04.40 | Unity | s/bash/#bash |
| 02:04.42 | abrotman | ok |
| 02:04.46 | Stevie | cusoon959: Do you talk to bots often? |
| 02:04.50 | konfuzed | nanok, my native language is turing so i have all kinds of syntax issues |
| 02:04.56 | cusoon959 | no |
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| 02:05.00 | Stevie | just checking |
| 02:05.05 | cusoon959 | ur bots? |
| 02:05.13 | Stevie | konfuzed: [+---+>>>] |
| 02:05.20 | beered | cusoon959: HAL 9000 here... |
| 02:05.23 | nanok | konfuzed: turing? is that zeros and ones? :P |
| 02:05.32 | george_ | urbots? |
| 02:05.40 | abrotman | !ur |
| 02:05.40 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 02:05.44 | garrett_ | Could someone perhaps tell me where (and if) there's a file where I can place single shell commands that run at certain runlevels (something like rc.local on other distros)? |
| 02:05.44 | nanok | cusoon959: i am an comodore64 |
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| 02:05.58 | cusoon959 | ure real people, or not? |
| 02:06.05 | nanok | cusoon959: what are you? my binary friend? |
| 02:06.07 | george_ | it |
| 02:06.09 | Stevie | I'm one of those l33t new bots that talks plain English |
| 02:06.10 | beered | cusoon959: HAL 9000 waiting for your command. |
| 02:06.12 | jbroome | i'm octal |
| 02:06.12 | dodoherty | nanok, wish me luck. |
| 02:06.16 | george_ | it's not ure, it's ore |
| 02:06.16 | abrotman | garrett_: man update-rc.d |
| 02:06.22 | cusoon959 | HAL 900 shutdown |
| 02:06.23 | nanok | cusoon959: we are lab-computers plotting to take over the world |
| 02:06.24 | nanok | :P |
| 02:06.29 | cusoon959 | im sure |
| 02:06.35 | Stevie | I'm sorry, cusoon959, I can't let you do that |
| 02:06.37 | beered | cusoon959: shutdown? I can't allow you to do that. |
| 02:06.39 | george_ | and I never found ore on an irc channel! |
| 02:06.39 | nanok | cusoon959: you sound...human |
| 02:06.52 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 02:06.52 | cusoon959 | i am human |
| 02:06.52 | dpkg | hmm... qotd114 is <troubl1> how do i know if a desktop install with my install of debian ??? <abrotman> troubl1: what is your native language? <troubl1> its supposed to be english lol |
| 02:07.03 | nanok | cusoon959: you are naive in the same way those creatures are (to be respectfull..) |
| 02:07.04 | garrett_ | abrotman: Thanks. |
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| 02:07.09 | Stevie | We are #DEBIAN. Dynamic Eletronic Brains Integrating with American Networks |
| 02:07.14 | abrotman | garrett_: if i understood you correctly |
| 02:07.16 | nanok | dodoherty good luck |
| 02:07.21 | cusoon959 | HAL 900 goto room #NJM |
| 02:07.23 | nanok | for what it's worth.. |
| 02:07.25 | basbryan | Stevie: lol |
| 02:07.30 | beered | cusoon959: I'm sorry Dave. That information is protected. |
| 02:07.33 | george_ | which creatures? ures? |
| 02:07.34 | abrotman | cusoon959: do you have a debian related question? |
| 02:07.47 | cusoon959 | what is this room about? |
| 02:07.52 | Stevie | I just told you |
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| 02:07.54 | Stevie | We are #DEBIAN. Dynamic Eletronic Brains Integrating with American Networks |
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| 02:08.00 | george_ | it's about 5x10x15 |
| 02:08.01 | abrotman | !tell cusoon959 about debian |
| 02:08.19 | nanok | Stevie: that was ingerating, you twat. damn, these x86's.. |
| 02:08.32 | nanok | :P |
| 02:08.38 | garrett_ | abrotman: Is there perhaps a file I can place single shell commands to be run instead of creating a script for each one and then 'importing' it to rc.d? |
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| 02:09.00 | cusoon959 | oh, so you are robots with the minds of humans? |
| 02:09.05 | Stevie | aww |
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| 02:09.14 | Stevie | dpkg says I can't edit the debian factoid |
| 02:09.18 | Tchiak | ok new problem ^_^ |
| 02:09.22 | nanok | garrett_: any file you like, prefferably in /etc/init.d/, and with a descriptive name (for your convenience) |
| 02:09.26 | abrotman | garrett_: maybe bootmisc.sh .. but i always right ones for each command . or you can use @reboot in the cron |
| 02:09.31 | basbryan | garrett_: wth? |
| 02:09.40 | nanok | garrett_: use update-rc.d after using chmod 600 ofc ;) |
| 02:09.40 | cusoon959 | HAL 900 |
| 02:09.42 | beered | cusoon959: I'm very proud of my Pentium, Dave. |
| 02:09.43 | Tchiak | I have installed cupsys with hpijs and hplip packages. I can see the printer and add it, i just can't print to it. |
| 02:09.46 | george_ | cusoon959: rumor has it they say rtfm alot |
| 02:09.53 | garrett_ | basbryan: Im sorry did I offend you? |
| 02:10.03 | cusoon959 | I'm not dave, i'm Nicky |
| 02:10.08 | george_ | I am pentium of borg! |
| 02:10.13 | basbryan | garrett_: no but u should read stuff |
| 02:10.17 | abrotman | cusoon959: please go away |
| 02:10.18 | Stevie | george_: How many are you? |
| 02:10.18 | basbryan | alot of stuff |
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| 02:10.22 | george_ | division is futile! |
| 02:10.27 | garrett_ | basbryan: I.e. what |
| 02:10.30 | basbryan | we are many! |
| 02:10.34 | cusoon959 | are you humans? |
| 02:10.43 | Tchiak | i'm a toaster |
| 02:10.45 | cusoon959 | HAL 9000 |
| 02:10.46 | george_ | you will be approximated! |
| 02:10.49 | basbryan | bash tutorials? or did i miss something? |
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| 02:11.12 | beered | cusoon959: yes, Nicky? |
| 02:11.16 | abrotman | cusoon959: please please go away |
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| 02:11.22 | nanok | basbryan: welkom to za revolution. resitence is futile |
| 02:11.29 | cusoon959 | HAL 9000 go to #NJM |
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| 02:11.35 | abrotman | cusoon959: STOP |
| 02:11.47 | abrotman | stop playing with the kid |
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| 02:12.01 | Gnea | !troll cusoon959 |
| 02:12.02 | cusoon959 | how do you know i'm a kid? |
| 02:12.05 | abrotman | cusoon959: go do your homework |
| 02:12.09 | beered | we know everything! |
| 02:12.12 | george_ | cusoon959: www.debian.org |
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| 02:12.25 | cusoon959 | where do i live? |
| 02:12.31 | Gnea | cusoon959: with your mom |
| 02:12.32 | george_ | in a shoe |
| 02:12.36 | abrotman | in your parents house |
| 02:12.37 | nanok | cusoon959: you do _not_ want to know what we know.. |
| 02:12.44 | cusoon959 | yes i do nanok |
| 02:12.58 | Gnea | cusoon959: why? |
| 02:13.01 | cusoon959 | all of you go to #NJM |
| 02:13.02 | roler | where can I see a list of packages for debian and when the new version's release date is? |
| 02:13.12 | cusoon959 | #NJM |
| 02:13.16 | george_ | then start by getting a degree in computer science |
| 02:13.17 | cusoon959 | #NJM |
| 02:13.19 | cusoon959 | #NJM |
| 02:13.19 | basbryan | how can i run more than 1 command at a time? (that just scares me) |
| 02:13.19 | Gnea | !ops cusoon959 is offtopic, spamming/flooding |
| 02:13.19 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: cusoon959 is offtopic, spamming/flooding |
| 02:13.20 | cusoon959 | #NJM |
| 02:13.22 | cusoon959 | #NJM |
| 02:13.23 | cusoon959 | #NJM |
| 02:13.28 | cusoon959 | #NJM |
| 02:13.29 | Gnea | cusoon959: buh-bye |
| 02:13.29 | cusoon959 | #NJM |
| 02:13.31 | cusoon959 | all of you go to #NJM |
| 02:13.33 | nanok | cusoon959: you can just say /quit, |
| 02:13.34 | cusoon959 | all of you go to #NJM |
| 02:13.35 | cusoon959 | all of you go to #NJM |
| 02:13.44 | roler | hahaha |
| 02:13.45 | nanok | cusoon959: it would be easyer for all |
| 02:13.46 | garrett_ | Wow. All i can say is wow. |
| 02:13.54 | beered | amazing. |
| 02:13.59 | Gnea | cusoon959: if you type /q #NJM it will just open a new window, making it easier for you |
| 02:14.00 | garrett_ | Now I remember why I never use IRC |
| 02:14.08 | Xenguy | cusoon959: die |
| 02:14.08 | cusoon959 | sure |
| 02:14.09 | basbryan | !ban cusoon959? |
| 02:14.15 | cusoon959 | it will make me quit this room |
| 02:14.20 | Stevie | [21:14] -ChanServ- Registered: 9 hours 22 minutes 25 seconds ago |
| 02:14.23 | beered | I just had deja vu of 1990ies. |
| 02:14.33 | Stevie | I'm having a deja vu of DALNut |
| 02:14.38 | Gnea | cusoon959: no one likes you and no one will go to your room. |
| 02:14.57 | asg | Gnea: did someone call ops yet? |
| 02:14.57 | nanok | i had almost forgoton how childishly stupid human beings tend to be.. |
| 02:14.59 | abrotman | cusoon959: can you get to this server in your irc client .. /server 127.0.0.1 ? |
| 02:15.00 | cusoon959 | if you go to #NJM i will go away from this room |
| 02:15.00 | knvinh | cusoon959: do what I said |
| 02:15.02 | dvm1981 | basbryan: <command1>; <command2> |
| 02:15.04 | Gnea | asg: i did |
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| 02:15.06 | Tchiak | I have installed cupsys with hpijs and hplip packages. I can see the printer and add it, i just can't print to it. I haven't a freakin clue why not |
| 02:15.07 | george_ | cusoon959: that would be a good thing because you're being annoying |
| 02:15.08 | cusoon959 | yes |
| 02:15.10 | asg | Gnea: ah, okay |
| 02:15.22 | abrotman | worth a shot anyways |
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| 02:15.40 | dvm1981 | basbryan: or ex: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install <package> |
| 02:15.54 | Stevie | why apt-get upgrade? |
| 02:16.06 | cusoon959 | how do i download DEBIAN |
| 02:16.10 | cusoon959 | ? |
| 02:16.13 | Gnea | cusoon959: you don't. |
| 02:16.13 | unstable | !tell cusoon959 about d-i |
| 02:16.14 | abrotman | !tell cusoon959 about d-i |
| 02:16.17 | george_ | www.debbian.org |
| 02:16.21 | d03boy | cusco, msg dpkg and type in some keywords |
| 02:16.21 | asg | *plonk* |
| 02:16.21 | george_ | -b |
| 02:16.24 | basbryan | !ban cusoon959 |
| 02:16.31 | knvinh | cusoon959: www.debian.org/out_of_this_forum.html |
| 02:16.32 | basbryan | !kill cusoon959 |
| 02:16.35 | dvm1981 | Stevie: To upgrade the new pagages after downloading the list with apt-get update |
| 02:16.41 | nanok | oh well.. |
| 02:16.45 | Gnea | !smite cusoon959 |
| 02:16.46 | unstable | !ops cusoon959 is a troll |
| 02:16.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: cusoon959 is a troll |
| 02:16.47 | nanok | it was fun for a while.. |
| 02:16.48 | rocketdog | Or just use aptitude |
| 02:16.51 | nanok | very short |
| 02:16.53 | ice_1963 | go to www.debian.org and get it |
| 02:16.58 | abrotman | yeah .. but you all egged him on |
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| 02:17.03 | george_ | that's true |
| 02:17.06 | nanok | "/ignore rocks |
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| 02:17.14 | abrotman | nanok: so does // :) |
| 02:17.19 | Gnea | abrotman: he was being a punk even before i showed up |
| 02:17.26 | cusoon959 | bye |
| 02:17.31 | abrotman | Gnea: maybe he wants a sandwich |
| 02:17.34 | dvm1981 | hop hop |
| 02:17.40 | dvm1981 | :-) |
| 02:17.42 | basbryan | !botsnack |
| 02:17.42 | dpkg | basbryan: :) |
| 02:17.43 | nanok | abrotman: we did have a go at him, i admit, but it was so asking for it.. |
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| 02:17.46 | nanok | s/it/he |
| 02:17.51 | asg | abrotman: nah, it needs one of my custom drinks |
| 02:17.55 | Gnea | abrotman: could be |
| 02:18.00 | abrotman | asg: antifreeze? |
| 02:18.06 | asg | abrotman: liquid cocaine |
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| 02:18.25 | basbryan | !antifreeze |
| 02:18.25 | nanok | abrotman: a sandwitch with some arsenic in it |
| 02:18.26 | Stevie | liquid cocaine mixed into antifreeze? |
| 02:18.26 | Led_Zeppelin | anyone here good with LDAP? |
| 02:18.26 | mentor | hmm |
| 02:18.26 | regeya_ | bah. |
| 02:18.30 | unstable | !tell Led_Zeppelin about anyone |
| 02:18.32 | dasunt | shouldn't "echo 2 > /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_memory" disable overcommit under 2.4.27? |
| 02:18.35 | Stevie | Rodney King is familiar with LAPD |
| 02:18.42 | Led_Zeppelin | how do I reset the Manager LDAP password? |
| 02:18.42 | Gnea | !tell Led_Zeppelin about ldap |
| 02:18.46 | unstable | lol @ Stevie |
| 02:18.53 | basbryan | Led_Zeppelin: kinda |
| 02:18.53 | Stevie | dasunt: I would expect 'echo 0' to disable overcommit |
| 02:18.54 | asg | Led_Zeppelin: #ldap has 70 people in it; try there first |
| 02:18.58 | nanok | dasunt: uh.. shouldnt that be 0 instead of 2?.. |
| 02:19.00 | mentor | debian |
| 02:19.06 | *** mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 02:19.08 | abrotman | mentor: too late! |
| 02:19.21 | Led_Zeppelin | asg: I did, no one is active |
| 02:19.22 | abrotman | mentor: he's gone already |
| 02:19.23 | dasunt | nanok: Hmmm, maybe. |
| 02:19.33 | Led_Zeppelin | basbryan: trying to add an entry to it, keep getting this error, " |
| 02:19.33 | abrotman | or he's going to ban all of us |
| 02:19.42 | Led_Zeppelin | "ldap_bind: Invalid credentials (49)" |
| 02:19.51 | asg | Led_Zeppelin: well, ask you question but be patient in waiting for someone there to answer .. they might all be down at the pub. |
| 02:19.53 | Led_Zeppelin | basbryan: ever see that? |
| 02:20.01 | Led_Zeppelin | asg :-) |
| 02:20.01 | Stevie | you need 50 credentials in order bind (handcuff) someone using the LAPD protocol |
| 02:20.05 | basbryan | Led_Zeppelin: your id or pass is wrong |
| 02:20.15 | Led_Zeppelin | basbryan: right, how do I reset my password? |
| 02:20.21 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@63-228-104-100.tukw.qwest.net] by mentor |
| 02:20.24 | Led_Zeppelin | rootpw secrect, btw |
| 02:20.24 | basbryan | Led_Zeppelin: or u are locked |
| 02:20.30 | Led_Zeppelin | LOL |
| 02:20.30 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!?=cusoon9*@*] by mentor |
| 02:20.33 | abrotman | !tell basbryan about u |
| 02:20.34 | asg | Stevie: the don't use handcuffs, they use platic zipcords |
| 02:20.34 | Led_Zeppelin | basbryan: how do I unlock? |
| 02:20.35 | *** mode/#debian [-o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 02:20.35 | Gnea | !beer mentor |
| 02:20.40 | Tchiak | anyone able to help me with my cupsys problem? |
| 02:20.41 | mentor | meh |
| 02:20.45 | abrotman | mentor: you sohuld have banforwarded him to #njw or whatever it was :) |
| 02:20.48 | basbryan | u need an admin |
| 02:20.51 | Stevie | asg: You need 51 credentials to do the zipcord thing |
| 02:20.55 | Led_Zeppelin | basbryan: I am root, btw |
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| 02:20.59 | dasunt | Odd, running 'stress', and I'm seeing no OOM either way. |
| 02:20.59 | basbryan | dial 911 and ask 4 bofh |
| 02:21.01 | abrotman | !beer mentor |
| 02:21.06 | Gnea | Tchiak: sorry, was distracted - what's the problem again? |
| 02:21.10 | asg | mentor: hopefully it has some alcohol in it ;) |
| 02:21.11 | Tchiak | I have installed cupsys with hpijs and hplip packages. I can see the printer and add it, i just can't print to it. I haven't a freakin clue why not |
| 02:21.15 | mentor | abrotman: I mean IRL |
| 02:21.15 | Stevie | dasunt: stress is too much work. Just tail /dev/zero |
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| 02:21.18 | regeya_ | mmm...lager |
| 02:21.24 | Tchiak | it's a USB printer |
| 02:21.33 | Tchiak | HP PSC |
| 02:21.36 | mentor | Tchiak: What's the problem |
| 02:21.36 | Tchiak | 1350 |
| 02:21.38 | mentor | ? |
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| 02:21.42 | Tchiak | it's not printing |
| 02:21.43 | regeya_ | what sort of lager, mentor...I realize this is way too OT, I promise to stop |
| 02:21.43 | Gnea | Tchiak: oh i have one of those |
| 02:21.44 | abrotman | mentor: you lucky guy :) |
| 02:21.44 | Tchiak | anything |
| 02:21.45 | Tchiak | :P |
| 02:22.00 | Gnea | Tchiak: it works just fine - what branch and kernel are you using? |
| 02:22.02 | Tchiak | error_log shows that it goes through the motions then the last line shows update job # |
| 02:22.05 | dasunt | Stevie: Why would 'tail' use up all the memory in a system? |
| 02:22.07 | Tchiak | next line is cancel job $ |
| 02:22.12 | nanok | Tchiak: what is cups sayng, in the job quee (web interface)? |
| 02:22.14 | Stevie | dasunt: tail /dev/zero ? |
| 02:22.14 | Tchiak | Linux BFS1 2.4.27-2-686 #1 Wed Aug 17 10:34:09 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 02:22.22 | Stevie | dasunt: You don't know what tail /dev/zero does? |
| 02:22.27 | Tchiak | it's saying it was completed successfully |
| 02:22.32 | Tchiak | but it didn't print |
| 02:22.33 | Gnea | Tchiak: branch... sarge, etch, sid? |
| 02:22.43 | Tchiak | stable |
| 02:22.45 | king-of-no-pants | does anyone have any advice on building a proxy server with debian? |
| 02:22.49 | Gnea | k |
| 02:22.51 | asg | king-of-no-pants: use squid |
| 02:22.52 | mentor | regeya_: The most bearable of all UK lagers, San Miguel |
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| 02:22.56 | dasunt | Stevie: Grabs the last line of /dev/zero, I'm assuming. |
| 02:22.58 | asg | mentor: haha |
| 02:23.02 | mentor | regeya_: It is, but I'm too tired too care. |
| 02:23.12 | regeya_ | mentor: a name like that and it's a UK lager! |
| 02:23.15 | asg | mentor: haven't had that since I was in Malaga in 91 |
| 02:23.20 | roler | where is there a list of debian packages and expected release dates for upcoming newer versions? |
| 02:23.21 | dasunt | Stevie: But why would it run out of memory? Shouldn't 'tail' throw away everything preceding it? |
| 02:23.30 | mentor | Yup. Brewed in Newcastle |
| 02:23.30 | Gnea | Tchiak: is your user in the lp and/or lpadmin group? |
| 02:23.38 | Tchiak | lemme check |
| 02:23.42 | dasunt | Or is it foolish enough to keep trying to realloc() memory when the last line never ends? |
| 02:23.44 | mentor | asg: It's probably nice there. |
| 02:23.45 | asg | king-of-no-pants: 1) don't /msg people without asking. 2) squid is the most mature proxy server available. |
| 02:24.01 | Gnea | !tell king-of-no-pants -about squid |
| 02:24.03 | asg | mentor: it was. |
| 02:24.38 | nanok | king-of-no-pants: yes. google for a nice howto. choose ten , and finaly read at least one |
| 02:24.38 | nanok | ;) |
| 02:24.39 | king-of-no-pants | sorry |
| 02:24.39 | Led_Zeppelin | ha worked! |
| 02:24.39 | Led_Zeppelin | duh! |
| 02:24.56 | Gnea | man that's fucked up, that squid is wearing a condom |
| 02:25.14 | asg | Gnea: safety squid |
| 02:25.19 | Gnea | LMAO |
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| 02:25.39 | abrotman | that's it .. too many people from PA |
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| 02:25.48 | king-of-no-pants | where is the best how to for a person who is completely naieve to command line operating systems |
| 02:25.54 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 02:25.55 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "docs", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
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| 02:25.57 | Gnea | !best |
| 02:25.57 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 02:26.01 | abrotman | read all of those :) |
| 02:26.04 | asg | Gnea: and ribbed for her pleasure |
| 02:26.09 | Xenguy | !cli |
| 02:26.09 | dpkg | cli is, like, a Command Line Interface, the best form of interface around, of course Call-Level Interface, originally developed by SQL Access Group, but now known as Microsoft's ODBC standard. an x86 assembly instruction Common Language Infrastructure (See mono or .net), or http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=6282&page=1 |
| 02:26.15 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:26.17 | Gnea | asg: with extra lube |
| 02:26.19 | abrotman | Xenguy: good try |
| 02:26.20 | Xenguy | hrm |
| 02:26.42 | abrotman | i thought it was CLR . not CLI for mono/.net . but whatever |
| 02:26.54 | asg | Gnea: the marinara is eminently preferable to the lemon juice in that context |
| 02:26.54 | Stevie | CLR is the Common Language Runtime |
| 02:27.04 | Tchiak | yes i am now |
| 02:27.08 | Tchiak | and it still isn't pringing |
| 02:27.14 | caffei | abrotman, both; CLI is the Common Language Interface, I think. |
| 02:27.14 | abrotman | Stevie: yes .. i know what it is |
| 02:27.14 | Stevie | the difference between CLR and CLI is like the difference between C and libc6 |
| 02:27.20 | asg | abrotman: CLR is a solvent sold on TV for cleaning just about anything |
| 02:27.22 | Stevie | except the other way around |
| 02:27.27 | Gnea | Tchiak: are you in X? |
| 02:27.31 | Tchiak | yes |
| 02:27.34 | abrotman | asg: can we feed it to trolls ? |
| 02:27.47 | Gnea | Tchiak: how did you get into X? with a dm or startx? |
| 02:27.52 | asg | abrotman: only if they consist of one or more of the following: Calcium, Lime, Rust. |
| 02:27.54 | Tchiak | startx |
| 02:28.01 | basbryan | alt.sysadmin.recovery? |
| 02:28.04 | abrotman | asg: limeys? |
| 02:28.05 | Gnea | ok, you need to quit, logout, login and startx again |
| 02:28.09 | caffei | :o haha, it was quoted right by dpkg and I guessed wrong |
| 02:28.19 | asg | abrotman: nah, we use Boddington's |
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| 02:28.39 | MatBoy | someone using mysql replication as master<>master with succes ? |
| 02:28.46 | abrotman | maybe in #mysql |
| 02:28.47 | Tchiak | ok now what gnea? |
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| 02:28.55 | Gnea | now try to print |
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| 02:29.09 | MatBoy | abrotman, one person... |
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| 02:29.23 | abrotman | in #mysql ? hardly |
| 02:29.33 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:29.40 | MatBoy | abrotman, using it with succes |
| 02:30.02 | Daveman | heh |
| 02:30.06 | abrotman | ask #mysql |
| 02:30.15 | MatBoy | abrotman, already done |
| 02:30.20 | abrotman | MatBoy: so wait |
| 02:30.23 | LsD- | hmm any reason why 'ps aux' would give me a segfault? after i rebooted my machine it was fine again and wasnt giving me a segfault... |
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| 02:30.39 | abrotman | LsD-: cracked? |
| 02:30.50 | LsD- | cracked? |
| 02:30.58 | abrotman | you know .. cracked |
| 02:31.08 | asg | LsD-: broken into, haX0red |
| 02:31.11 | abrotman | !tell MatBoy about mysql |
| 02:31.12 | nanok | LsD-: chkrootkit, memtest (though unlikely).. |
| 02:31.13 | LsD- | oh? |
| 02:31.23 | ice_1963 | for my hp printer i jest installed cupsys cupsys-bsd and printconf |
| 02:31.24 | abrotman | LsD-: i know they have crack in scranton :) |
| 02:31.28 | LsD- | i only have uhh http port 81 open |
| 02:31.44 | nanok | LsD-: do you need a drawing, man? :P |
| 02:31.45 | Stevie | http port 81? |
| 02:31.47 | asg | LsD-: use 'debsums' to see if there is any odd output. Check the output of 'rkhunter' also. |
| 02:31.47 | abrotman | LsD-: then maybe the hardware is failing ? |
| 02:31.50 | LsD- | hmm i dont wanna reinstall :( |
| 02:31.55 | LsD- | lol |
| 02:32.05 | Stevie | rkhunter |
| 02:32.09 | LsD- | Stevie, yes 81 cuz my ISP blocks 80 |
| 02:32.16 | Stevie | 'Crikey, mate! Look at the teeth on that rootkit!' |
| 02:32.33 | nanok | LsD-: check system with debsums , favourite rootkit hunter, check hw with dmesg, memtest, etc, |
| 02:32.53 | nanok | LsD-: and than, think about what to do/what could be wrong |
| 02:33.08 | LsD- | ok |
| 02:33.09 | unstable | !hammer |
| 02:33.09 | dpkg | i guess hammer is the thing if you have it, everything looks like a nail. |
| 02:33.29 | Gnea | unstable: i have to fix something |
| 02:33.34 | kreg_work | is there a magical tool that can sort your named.conf alphabetically? |
| 02:33.43 | unstable | kreg_work: sort |
| 02:33.48 | nanok | kreg_work: yes, sort |
| 02:34.01 | Tchiak | gnea still isn't printing |
| 02:34.04 | unstable | kreg_work: cat named.conf|sort &> named.conf.alphabet |
| 02:34.12 | unstable | !tell kreg_work about sort |
| 02:34.15 | Stevie | erm |
| 02:34.21 | Tchiak | in the error log it says it's updating the job, job complete, then cancels the job on the next line |
| 02:34.23 | SimonRaven | kreg_work: sort echo cat and a bit of magic |
| 02:34.27 | Tchiak | all w/o something being printed |
| 02:34.29 | asg | unstable: that's likely to product a broken named.conf |
| 02:34.31 | nanok | unstable: is the cat usefull there?.. |
| 02:34.32 | nanok | :) |
| 02:34.41 | asg | !uuoc unstable |
| 02:34.50 | kreg_work | well i've been trying sort stuff. but hence the more "magical" part was what i was looking for. i'm not succeeding |
| 02:34.50 | Gnea | Tchiak: ok - paste your printers.conf and classes.conf to a paste site |
| 02:34.52 | Gnea | !paster |
| 02:34.52 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 02:35.47 | Gnea | basbryan: 'magical'? |
| 02:35.49 | abrotman | eyeballs are magic |
| 02:35.50 | Stevie | it's called a livecd |
| 02:35.52 | nanok | george_: you cat abuser, you feline hater |
| 02:35.59 | Stevie | truly magical |
| 02:36.04 | george_ | I love cats! |
| 02:36.07 | mzilikazi | man dog |
| 02:36.07 | mzilikazi | dog - better than cat |
| 02:36.13 | basbryan | cats love /me |
| 02:36.23 | george_ | scrambled, broiled, tarred and feathered! |
| 02:36.31 | Gnea | basbryan: yeah, you really do need to have a clue - it's possible to develop it, though |
| 02:36.47 | nanok | mzilikazi: that sound similar to computer better than monitor, or ext3 better than SATA. |
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| 02:37.29 | mzilikazi | nanok: i didn't write the man page :) |
| 02:37.29 | george_ | what's better? pizza in chicago or Ephram Zimbalist Junior? |
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| 02:37.57 | asg | george_: mu |
| 02:38.02 | Tchiak | Gnea: 2082 |
| 02:38.20 | Gnea | Tchiak: what? |
| 02:38.28 | Tchiak | paste site |
| 02:38.35 | Tchiak | channels.debian.net/paste/2082 |
| 02:38.42 | Gnea | oooh |
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| 02:39.04 | efaistos | do you know a software that allow the reading of chm files ? |
| 02:39.12 | abrotman | !chm |
| 02:39.12 | dpkg | well, chm is to extract Compressed HTML files (MS Windows HtmlHell Data) use the chmLib (and its example programs to be found at http://66.93.236.84/~jedwin/projects/chmlib/) or use xchm |
| 02:39.19 | Slavick | hi i installed debian everything works other then my display.. wut do i do to install a video driver? |
| 02:39.22 | nanok | Tchiak: it would have been more l33t to say $paste/`tac 2802` |
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| 02:39.33 | nanok | these kids never learn how to be real hax0rz |
| 02:39.36 | efaistos | thanks abrotman |
| 02:39.36 | nanok | :P |
| 02:39.42 | Tchiak | i'm not trying to be leet i'm trying to be informative |
| 02:39.47 | Gnea | Tchiak: ok, first off, give it a location (like usb_port) |
| 02:39.51 | SimonRaven | ah, they'll learn, just like we do |
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| 02:40.03 | nanok | Tchiak: it was a joke ;) |
| 02:40.11 | Gnea | Tchiak: just paste the whole url next time - no big deal |
| 02:40.13 | dodoherty | nanok, that didn't quite work as expected with lots of trouble shooting I now have a rather shakey res but thanks anyway. |
| 02:40.33 | Gnea | Tchiak: next, you need to define a class, so do so from the web configurator |
| 02:40.38 | nanok | dodoherty: well. np. what does shaky mean? |
| 02:40.42 | george_ | if when helping you act leet, like a goat it sounds like you bleat |
| 02:40.52 | Gnea | !leet |
| 02:40.52 | dpkg | /me is leet cos he can start lines with a / |
| 02:40.59 | SimonRaven | sheep bleat |
| 02:41.00 | kreg_work | i removed an entry in named.conf and the zone file. only thing in /etc/resolv.conf is 127.0.0.1. yet "dig thatdomainname.com" still shows up. |
| 02:41.08 | dodoherty | As in, looking at the exchat screen and looking at the fonts I see the o's squashed in some locations and it's fine in others. |
| 02:41.15 | george_ | close enuf :) |
| 02:41.17 | Tchiak | ok |
| 02:41.18 | dodoherty | It doesn't seem smooth or natural |
| 02:41.21 | Tchiak | i defined a class gnea |
| 02:41.26 | Tchiak | and changed the printer to the USB port |
| 02:41.27 | asg | kreg_work: did you restart bind after removing the entry? |
| 02:41.29 | ice_1963 | what is bleat? |
| 02:41.35 | kreg_work | yes |
| 02:41.39 | george_ | a noise |
| 02:41.44 | Gnea | Tchiak: okay, now what are you trying to print? |
| 02:41.44 | SimonRaven | george_: hey, it rhymed it works |
| 02:41.46 | nanok | dodoherty: than it is not the native res of your lcd, i think |
| 02:41.50 | Tchiak | the test page |
| 02:41.53 | nanok | dodoherty: it is an lcd, right? |
| 02:41.55 | Gnea | which is? |
| 02:42.02 | Gnea | oh, from the interface |
| 02:42.07 | dodoherty | yes |
| 02:42.09 | george_ | hey! it did rhyme! |
| 02:42.10 | Tchiak | i dunno web config thing has a print test page :P |
| 02:42.10 | nanok | dodoherty: to check the current res, use xrandr |
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| 02:42.25 | LsD- | abrotman, could this be bad? debsums: 'no md5sums for linux-image-2.6.15' :/ |
| 02:42.44 | UnL0cK | liable hi and thx for everything, bye! :) |
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| 02:42.47 | abrotman | LsD-: are you running sarge? |
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| 02:42.59 | Gnea | Tchiak: ok, at the web config, if you click on the 'printers' tab, what does it say after "printer state: "? |
| 02:43.00 | LsD- | abrotman, no |
| 02:43.07 | abrotman | LsD-: seems ok |
| 02:43.08 | dodoherty | nanok, it's not a native res no but the modelines of the native res create a signal out of range response on the monitor |
| 02:43.11 | dodoherty | even at 60hz |
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| 02:43.13 | LsD- | k |
| 02:43.13 | dodoherty | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:43.13 | dodoherty | *0 1152 x 768 ( 293mm x 195mm ) *55 |
| 02:43.18 | abrotman | LsD-: that kernel does belong ... |
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| 02:43.38 | liable | wow, that was weird, i just looked to this window and see a drive by hi! :) |
| 02:43.43 | LsD- | abrotman, yea i compiled it myself |
| 02:43.51 | abrotman | that would make more sense :) |
| 02:43.56 | LsD- | :) |
| 02:44.01 | nanok | dodoherty: ok, try to use a modeline for 55hz or maybe 50 (the refresh on lcds is only one, no matter the res, afair) |
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| 02:44.24 | konfuzed | well i managed to set the workstation to static numbers that worked and I can login to that router from the lan side . oddly enough the status will only show login as disable even with rmote management turned on and black wan request turned off |
| 02:44.30 | LsD- | ok only other things that i installed was compiz and xgl they fail aswell |
| 02:44.33 | nanok | LsD-: of course there is no debsum if you compiled the bloody thing yourself.. |
| 02:44.35 | LsD- | but thats it |
| 02:44.39 | Tchiak | Gnea: idle, accepting jobs. |
| 02:44.40 | LsD- | lol ok |
| 02:44.43 | konfuzed | oh well whatever it can stay like that |
| 02:44.52 | dodoherty | nanok, makes sense. |
| 02:45.22 | Gnea | Tchiak: ok, and the buttons below that have all tan buttons with a red 'stop printer' button and a black 'delete printer' button? |
| 02:45.33 | Tchiak | yes |
| 02:45.37 | Gnea | good |
| 02:45.40 | nanok | dodoherty: i seem to recall that was 50 for most lcd's, but cant really be sure that is true for all (or even most, considernig how that technology has boomed lately) |
| 02:45.49 | Gnea | try print test page from there |
| 02:45.59 | Gnea | then click on the jobs tab |
| 02:46.05 | dodoherty | nanok, it's cheap and it's 19 inches you're probably right. |
| 02:46.13 | SimonRaven | yeh, boomed to the point of exploding, literally |
| 02:46.15 | Tchiak | my monitor sends the data for it's hsync and vsync automagically |
| 02:46.23 | nanok | dodoherty: to get the old modelines out of the way, you can use # at the begining of lines, so as not to delete them completely. especially for testing |
| 02:46.27 | Tchiak | Gnea: Still nadda |
| 02:46.59 | Gnea | Tchiak: go back to the classes tab, is the printer you were just at a member of the class? |
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| 02:47.12 | Stevie | 21h? |
| 02:47.13 | nanok | dodoherty: 50Hz is nothing bad, actually. for lcd's it is different (no actual resemblance to what the same thing means for crt's). dont ask me how :) |
| 02:47.18 | Stevie | int_21h: begone, foul DOS being! |
| 02:47.51 | Tchiak | Gnea: yes |
| 02:47.59 | asg | !qotd162 is <reply>< dodoherty> nanok, it's cheap and it's 19 inches you're probably right. |
| 02:47.59 | dpkg | asg: okay |
| 02:48.13 | Stevie | heh |
| 02:48.19 | dodoherty | lol |
| 02:48.35 | Gnea | Tchiak: ok, go run the hp-toolbox command from the commandline |
| 02:49.22 | Gnea | Tchiak: is the icon on the left got a red 'x' on it? |
| 02:49.27 | nanok | asg: i hereby officially state thah it is not cheap, if it has any relation to me, and probably not for sale..but at least not cheap |
| 02:49.30 | nanok | :P |
| 02:49.52 | Gnea | Tchiak: oh also, did you install the right ppd file? |
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| 02:50.32 | Tchiak | what do you mean by right ppd file |
| 02:50.40 | Tchiak | and hp-toolbox is telling me i don't have any printers installed |
| 02:50.40 | Stevie | he means not the wrong one |
| 02:50.42 | Tchiak | @_@ |
| 02:50.45 | Gnea | well, there are a couple out there |
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| 02:50.54 | Gnea | Tchiak: aaaaaaaaaah |
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| 02:51.04 | Tchiak | and to install it via web interface of cups |
| 02:51.08 | Tchiak | o_o |
| 02:51.22 | Gnea | Tchiak: do a /etc/init.d/hplip restart |
| 02:51.38 | Stevie | don't you give me no hplip boy! |
| 02:51.43 | Gnea | Tchiak: then /etc/init.d/cupsys restart |
| 02:51.48 | Gnea | hehe |
| 02:51.56 | Tchiak | ok |
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| 02:52.01 | Tchiak | done |
| 02:52.10 | Gnea | ok, now try hp-toolbox again |
| 02:52.33 | Tchiak | still says none is installed |
| 02:52.44 | kreg_work | how do you clear dns server cache? |
| 02:52.46 | Gnea | ok, then you didn't install the right ppd |
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| 02:53.38 | Tchiak | how would i find the right ppd? |
| 02:53.39 | george_ | how can I install debian on an empty drive when I'm in debian? |
| 02:53.49 | Gnea | google has it |
| 02:53.50 | nanok | george_: debootstrap |
| 02:54.09 | asg | george_: or just pop an install cd in |
| 02:54.15 | nanok | !tell george_ about debootstrap |
| 02:54.15 | Gnea | Tchiak: http://www.linuxprinting.org//show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-PSC_1310 |
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| 02:55.10 | Gnea | Tchiak: ok, now what is the Printer value set to in classes.conf? |
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| 02:55.30 | nanok | hm, that factoid about debootstrap is a bit old, i think. there has been a debian package for quite a while. no need to get the source.. (?) |
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| 02:55.56 | cire | one of my raid1 disks is damaged, and I'd like to replace it. What steps do I have to do? (if it is too complicated, do you know a good howto?) |
| 02:55.57 | asg | nanok: the bit about the source is for the people on deadrat who want to install a debian chroot |
| 02:56.00 | george_ | in the factoid, is that saying you can build debootstrap on another dist and run it? |
| 02:56.09 | cire | (it's soft-raid) |
| 02:56.10 | asg | george_: yes |
| 02:56.12 | king-of-no-pants | does debian have a gui? |
| 02:56.21 | nanok | asg: myeah, fair enough |
| 02:56.23 | Gnea | king-of-no-pants: it can |
| 02:56.24 | asg | king-of-no-pants: of course. /msg dpkg set up x |
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| 02:56.38 | george_ | debian is chewy and gooey |
| 02:56.48 | dodoherty | bast, oh well there's always another day. |
| 02:57.01 | nanok | dodoherty: no luck?.. |
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| 02:57.36 | dodoherty | Is there any underlying reason that it starts at 800x600 even when the config is explicitly stating 1152x768 |
| 02:57.36 | bkudria | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:57.54 | dodoherty | 864 rather |
| 02:58.13 | asg | bkudria: it should be. The mappings are not mutually exclusive |
| 02:58.21 | LsD- | ok rkhunter said everything is ok |
| 02:58.23 | nanok | dodoherty: yes. it prolly cant find any valid modes for 1152 crap. look at the log |
| 02:58.51 | Tchiak | Gnea: i have hplip and hpijs |
| 02:58.54 | Tchiak | both |
| 02:58.57 | Tchiak | for drivers |
| 02:58.58 | king-of-no-pants | does anyone have any advice on setting up x that is more explanitive than dkpg's? |
| 02:59.07 | george_ | hiplip??! |
| 02:59.12 | george_ | what's that? |
| 02:59.13 | Gnea | Tchiak: apparantly, you went off on a tangent |
| 02:59.13 | abrotman | king-of-no-pants: what gui do you want? |
| 02:59.33 | Gnea | george_: ROFL |
| 02:59.40 | king-of-no-pants | kde preferably |
| 02:59.48 | bkudria | asg, well, when i try to do, for example, xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 3 9 4 5 6 7 1" it gives me an error: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation) ajor opcode of failed request: 116 (X_SetPointerMapping) |
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| 02:59.55 | abrotman | king-of-no-pants: apt-get install kde kdm x-window-system-core |
| 03:00.16 | Gnea | Tchiak: ok, you need to get rid of the hpijs |
| 03:00.25 | ke6isf | ...what a strange nick to walk in on. =O.o= |
| 03:00.27 | Gnea | Tchiak: and install the hplip-ppds package |
| 03:00.36 | abrotman | king-of-no-pants: DO NOT msg me |
| 03:00.44 | abrotman | king-of-no-pants: i said what i meant .. and meant what i said |
| 03:00.48 | king-of-no-pants | sorry |
| 03:00.56 | Gnea | !tell king-of-no-pants about ask |
| 03:01.06 | george_ | if you msg him again, he'll send you to bed! |
| 03:01.18 | ke6isf | george_: No, the ops will send him to bed. |
| 03:01.19 | Tchiak | hplip-ppds not found |
| 03:01.28 | asg | bkudria: oh, then I'm not sure. Sorry. |
| 03:01.30 | Gnea | o.O |
| 03:01.31 | king-of-no-pants | sorry, im new to this |
| 03:01.39 | abrotman | ke6isf: what ops ? |
| 03:01.42 | king-of-no-pants | what does this apt-get install kde kdm x-window-system-core mean? |
| 03:01.44 | Stevie | hey wait a second |
| 03:01.46 | ke6isf | abrotman: Eh, good point. |
| 03:01.48 | abrotman | king-of-no-pants: you type it in |
| 03:01.50 | Stevie | king-of-no-pants: Who made you king of no pants? |
| 03:01.58 | nanok | abrotman: i cant stop thinking there should be some meta packages for desktops (like, one for kde and anything one should want, maybe some decent default configs included where needed, maybe in various versions: like light, normal, full-blown).. |
| 03:02.01 | abrotman | Stevie: the pope of no pants |
| 03:02.02 | king-of-no-pants | stevie: I did |
| 03:02.08 | abrotman | nanok: there is |
| 03:02.08 | Gnea | Tchiak: ok, forget hplip-ppds, did you get the ppd from the website and did you uninstall hpijs? |
| 03:02.11 | Stevie | you cannot just make yourself the King of no pants |
| 03:02.24 | bkudria | asg, i was hoping there was another way to do it...i tried xbindkeys, but it was delayed and not always responsive |
| 03:02.24 | Stevie | there are strict procedures |
| 03:02.24 | nanok | abrotman: oh yes? |
| 03:02.24 | king-of-no-pants | who says? |
| 03:02.29 | george_ | the second king coefficient of no pants |
| 03:02.43 | Stevie | there are tests to ensure you will not abuse your authority over no pants |
| 03:02.47 | dodoherty | nanok, yes the modes aren't in place because no modellines. |
| 03:02.53 | abrotman | nanok: apt-cache show kde .. or gnome or whatever .. but they don't install local X because you could choose to run it remotely |
| 03:02.59 | Gnea | Stevie: if he had failed them, he wouldn't be here now |
| 03:03.12 | asg | bkudria: yeah, I was thinking something along the same lines. I'd ask again in here and see if someone else knows. |
| 03:03.23 | abrotman | or ask the X channels |
| 03:03.35 | Stevie | X channels? HBO? |
| 03:03.41 | nanok | abrotman: yes, i know that. i was talking more like : kde + firefox + (insert application 80% of us could never live w/o and stuff) |
| 03:03.42 | abrotman | skinemax |
| 03:03.46 | asg | bkudria: i.e. #xorg or #xfree86 |
| 03:03.47 | Stevie | ah |
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| 03:03.50 | Gnea | !tell bkudria about ask |
| 03:03.58 | Liquid_Ic | when i do ls - all i see directories with a black background and the attributes are brwxr-xr-x what does the b mean? |
| 03:04.01 | Stevie | nanok: ssh? |
| 03:04.05 | asg | Stevie: HBO was never an X channel, Cinemax was though |
| 03:04.06 | abrotman | nanok: uhm .. apt-get install gnome gdm x-window-system .. works for me |
| 03:04.09 | bkudria | abrotman, asg, i tried in there...they are all asleep :( |
| 03:04.12 | Tchiak | yes |
| 03:04.14 | abrotman | bkudria: in where? |
| 03:04.15 | Gnea | Liquid_Ic: buffer device |
| 03:04.21 | Tchiak | i have downloaded the ppd and uninstalled hpijs |
| 03:04.22 | Stevie | asg: Well, they're both owned by the same company |
| 03:04.32 | Liquid_Ic | gnea, they should be directories, think something is corrupt? |
| 03:04.32 | bkudria | abrotman, in the x channel... |
| 03:04.33 | Gnea | asg: good ol' skinemax |
| 03:04.40 | abrotman | bkudria: which one .. there are a few |
| 03:04.45 | bkudria | abrotman, sorry, i thought your comment was directed at me |
| 03:04.48 | asg | Stevie: I'm sure Disney probably has a soft-core subsidiary somewhere too |
| 03:04.51 | Gnea | Liquid_Ic: if they're not in /dev, yes |
| 03:04.57 | abrotman | bkudria: it was .. which one did you try? |
| 03:05.02 | asg | Gnea: hehe |
| 03:05.02 | nanok | abrotman: yes, for me too. what i mean is "apt-get install kde-desktop-for-my-dumb-newb-friend" |
| 03:05.04 | Liquid_Ic | gnea what commands can fix that? i just tried fsck |
| 03:05.05 | nanok | :) |
| 03:05.16 | Gnea | Liquid_Ic: wanna post output? |
| 03:05.18 | nanok | abrotman: dumb in a loving parental kind of way, ofc |
| 03:05.18 | Gnea | !paster |
| 03:05.18 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 03:05.19 | dodoherty | nanok, if the hertz are low I should think that the monitor will still process them as desired? |
| 03:05.20 | nanok | ;) |
| 03:05.20 | abrotman | nanok: i don't know .. i think i just did that :) |
| 03:05.27 | Gnea | Liquid_Ic: put it up on the paster site |
| 03:05.40 | Tchiak | Gnea: i downloaded the .ppd file and got rid of HPIJS |
| 03:05.52 | bkudria | abrotman, #xorg, i'm going to try #xfree |
| 03:05.53 | Liquid_Ic | gnea, well the problem is apache won't start. it says it can't find files. I try to find the files myself, and the directories are not thre, just these buffer things |
| 03:05.57 | Gnea | Tchiak: aight, now what's the 'Printer' value in classes.conf set to? |
| 03:06.09 | nanok | dodoherty: mh.. dont know. i'm no expert. try 55, that seemed to be what that lcd likes (that was what xrandr reported) |
| 03:06.27 | Tchiak | Gnea: HPLinux |
| 03:06.28 | Gnea | Liquid_Ic: right, so go ahead and output ls -l to the site |
| 03:06.31 | nanok | dodoherty: for most lcds i have seen, if you set it to high it will ignore it somehow.. |
| 03:06.34 | dodoherty | I've tried 50. 55. |
| 03:06.43 | nanok | dodoherty: but it doesnt seem to be your case.. :) |
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| 03:06.46 | Gnea | Tchiak: ok, copy the ppd file to: /etc/cups/ppd/HPLinux.ppd |
| 03:06.46 | abrotman | bkudria: which are you using? maybe #freedesktop ? |
| 03:06.57 | dodoherty | yes it ignores it.. |
| 03:06.58 | Stevie | try 60, since 60 is the frequency LCDs operate at |
| 03:07.03 | dodoherty | "Range out of sync" |
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| 03:07.18 | zinx | Stevie: not all.. but it's a common one |
| 03:07.19 | asg | abrotman: before I go, I'll leave you with this... |
| 03:07.19 | nanok | for instance |
| 03:07.20 | nanok | *0 1024 x 768 ( 260mm x 195mm ) *75 70 60 |
| 03:07.22 | asg | !qotd161 |
| 03:07.22 | dpkg | [qotd161] * asg sings the 'My Little Pony' song |
| 03:07.23 | Tchiak | ok |
| 03:07.27 | nanok | this is what i get from xrandr |
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| 03:07.30 | Gnea | Tchiak: now try to print |
| 03:07.31 | Tchiak | Gnea: done |
| 03:07.36 | abrotman | asg: you love it! |
| 03:07.43 | zinx | dodoherty: just leave the horiz/vert sync out |
| 03:07.46 | asg | abrotman: ;) |
| 03:07.51 | bkudria | abrotman, but there are like 3 people in #xfree86...it is an all-but-dead project |
| 03:07.52 | zinx | dodoherty: x.org will figure it out from the DDC info |
| 03:07.54 | dvm1981_lptp | I have an system here that would not reboot :-( |
| 03:07.58 | nanok | but i have a thinkpad770, that is, with a resonably old lcd. so i doubt that could ever be true ;) |
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| 03:08.02 | abrotman | bkudria: #freedesktop ? |
| 03:08.14 | bkudria | abrotman, i'll try #freedesktop too...i'm using xorg |
| 03:08.18 | Liquid_Ic | gnea, ok i pasted it in, it's id 2083 |
| 03:08.33 | Gnea | Liquid_Ic: why not just paste the url? |
| 03:08.39 | dodoherty | zinx :) I've tried 50, 55 60 etc using the parameters gtf 1152 864 n -x |
| 03:08.40 | dvm1981_lptp | I would not power it so off, is there an manner to force reboot? I typed 'reboot ' |
| 03:08.41 | Liquid_Ic | 2 computers, sorry |
| 03:08.56 | zinx | dodoherty: uhm, leave the modeline out too, 1152x864 is standard |
| 03:09.02 | Liquid_Ic | gnea: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2083 |
| 03:09.06 | dodoherty | pasted it in as the monitor point? that's correct yes? commented out default sync. |
| 03:09.17 | Gnea | Liquid_Ic: oh SHIT - yeah, you've got some serious filesystem corruption going on |
| 03:09.18 | zinx | dodoherty: 75 is another common one, but it's best you just leave all that out and let X ask the monitor. |
| 03:09.33 | nanok | zinx: it seems that has failed, that's why he is strugling in the first place |
| 03:09.42 | zinx | nanok: he should check the logs then ;) |
| 03:09.57 | Gnea | Liquid_Ic: i hope you didn't have anything SSL on your website.... |
| 03:10.00 | zinx | it's possible logverbose is required to dump DDC info |
| 03:10.03 | Liquid_Ic | is fsck the only program that would fix that? it seems to be only those folders |
| 03:10.09 | Gnea | Liquid_Ic: cuz if you did, it's toast |
| 03:10.09 | Liquid_Ic | gnea, nothing important |
| 03:10.16 | Liquid_Ic | i jsut want to get apache running again |
| 03:10.27 | Gnea | Liquid_Ic: is that ext2, ext3 or reiserfs? |
| 03:10.30 | Liquid_Ic | ext3 |
| 03:10.34 | Gnea | ok |
| 03:10.37 | Liquid_Ic | i recently did a dd backup command |
| 03:10.38 | nanok | zinx: dodoherty one can also use ddc probe manually. apt-cache search for it, i can't remember the package name |
| 03:10.40 | Gnea | it should have fscked it already |
| 03:10.41 | Liquid_Ic | that's what seemed to trigger this |
| 03:10.48 | Gnea | uhm |
| 03:10.52 | Gnea | on a running system? |
| 03:10.58 | zinx | you can't use the *-edid program after running X |
| 03:11.04 | Liquid_Ic | yes |
| 03:11.08 | zinx | X uses DDC2 when available, which disables DDC1 (per specs) |
| 03:11.08 | Gnea | aah ha |
| 03:11.15 | zinx | the *-edid program uses DDC1. |
| 03:11.16 | Gnea | that's why - you don't wanna dd a live system |
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| 03:11.30 | zinx | only way to use DDC1 again is to reboot :D |
| 03:11.31 | Gnea | more importantly, you don't wanna dd a *mounted* partition |
| 03:11.36 | Liquid_Ic | thought it would just 'read' and not write or mess anything up |
| 03:11.46 | Tchiak | gnea |
| 03:11.49 | Tchiak | Gnea: no go |
| 03:11.51 | Gnea | Liquid_Ic: you could possibly have more corruption going on |
| 03:11.59 | Liquid_Ic | well for the most part everything still works |
| 03:12.05 | dodoherty | If a live-cd distro can probe my monitor just fine then this will get working. |
| 03:12.08 | dodoherty | Give it time. |
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| 03:12.17 | Stevie | I want a gentoo livecd |
| 03:12.31 | Gnea | Tchiak: :/ |
| 03:12.33 | Stevie | it would only take 10 days to boot |
| 03:12.37 | nanok | dodoherty: if that has been the case, you can cheat and copy the config after booting that live distro ;) |
| 03:12.38 | AlienX | rpf; |
| 03:12.38 | Gnea | Tchiak: i don't know then.... |
| 03:12.41 | AlienX | rofl* |
| 03:12.43 | Liquid_Ic | gnea, so is this fixable or should i fdisk and reinstall? |
| 03:12.53 | Thrawn | Hey guys. I'm using debian stable, and my /etc/network/interface has iface eth1 inet static; but it seems like every 6 hours or so, it kicks into DHCP. Any ideas what could be causing it? |
| 03:12.57 | Stevie | 'compiling gcc' |
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| 03:13.15 | nanok | Stevie: the gentoo install cd _is_ live |
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| 03:13.51 | Gnea | Liquid_Ic: i would remove apache, dpkg --purge it, and reinstall |
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| 03:14.04 | moshii | Stevie: if you want a small live linux system just get the busybox, grub and a kernel |
| 03:14.04 | Liquid_Ic | i'll give it a go, thanks |
| 03:14.14 | Gnea | Liquid_Ic: half of your configuration has essentially vanished |
| 03:14.16 | moshii | Stevie: .. sources |
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| 03:14.33 | Gnea | Liquid_Ic: it's gone, dead, wiped out, never to be seen again, r.i.p.... |
| 03:14.47 | nanok | moshii: he just wants a flame.. ;) |
| 03:15.05 | SonnyBurnett | Hi, I had my printer working well.... I apt-remove gnome and moved to KDE... and now my printer is not installed.... even the pkgs... Cups and Hp's why? |
| 03:15.07 | Gnea | moshii: DSL |
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| 03:15.41 | dodoherty | I have it working. |
| 03:15.42 | moshii | Gnea: eh, try installing new stuff in DSL .. I'll release my encrypted debian on usb installer/bootstrap soon :) |
| 03:15.44 | dodoherty | At last. |
| 03:15.45 | Gnea | SonnyBurnett: what printer? |
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| 03:16.00 | moshii | Gnea: just have to get it marked for my degree then everyone can have a go :D |
| 03:16.05 | dodoherty | Thanks nanok, zinx. |
| 03:16.13 | Tchiak | Gnea: i'm gonna see if hp has any instructionso n their website |
| 03:16.13 | nanok | moshii: oh yeah? do let us know |
| 03:16.28 | Gnea | moshii: i had enough problems trying to integrate teamspeak into it :P |
| 03:16.49 | Gnea | Tchiak: good luck |
| 03:16.55 | moshii | Gnea: my system is a real debian system, it'll handle kernel upgrades properly soon too |
| 03:17.02 | nanok | moshii: i would really like something like this, also nice for making a livecd from ground up, not the other way around (i'm sick of selecting packages to uninstall...) |
| 03:17.27 | Gnea | moshii: i usually use another system or vmware |
| 03:17.34 | moshii | nanok: well, once it's finished you have an encrypted debian base... |
| 03:17.50 | nanok | dodoherty: np. what was the glitch, finally? |
| 03:17.56 | SonnyBurnett | Gnea: HP psc-2175 all in one |
| 03:17.57 | moshii | you can install it into the free space on your digicam etc too :D |
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| 03:18.20 | Gnea | SonnyBurnett: talk to Tchiak here, he's got a 1350 that he's trying to get working |
| 03:18.23 | nanok | moshii: that is _exactly_ what i want to start with. good old debian base |
| 03:18.27 | dodoherty | the glitch was that the config has too many advanced parameters and I always thought that it would never probe correctly |
| 03:18.42 | nanok | moshii: is it cloop based or just plain debian system, no compression? |
| 03:18.54 | dodoherty | took out the rubbish and it worked, oh well at least I learnt something. |
| 03:18.55 | Gnea | SonnyBurnett: i've been trying to help him for the past hour with no dice - and i have the same printer and it works just fine, so maybe i'm just too tired and missed something |
| 03:19.17 | nanok | dodoherty: i seem to remember you saying it has failed to autoprobe.. |
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| 03:19.34 | nanok | dodoherty: otherwise, i would have never suggested doing it by hand.. |
| 03:19.36 | moshii | nanok: no compression, but it purges unneeded locals etc on first boot, you can get X.org and wmaker onto a 256meg stick |
| 03:19.45 | dodoherty | that's because my definition of autoprobe was the Debian autoprobe |
| 03:19.45 | nanok | oh well. at least you learned something :) |
| 03:19.56 | dodoherty | not autoprobe without all the fancy scripting |
| 03:20.08 | moshii | nanok: cloop isn't r/w .. |
| 03:20.25 | dodoherty | :) sorry. |
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| 03:20.36 | nanok | moshii: i know. but it is a 1/3 ratio, on avarage, for a linux system. that is quite a lot.. |
| 03:20.37 | SonnyBurnett | Tchiak: I did this: search your printer here: http://www.linuxprinting.org afterwards chek that: http://hpinkjet.sourceforge.net/install.php#download_install |
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| 03:20.58 | SonnyBurnett | Gnea: I'm going to install my printer again |
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| 03:21.07 | moshii | nanok: true, but a gig flashdrive costs very little now |
| 03:21.18 | Gnea | SonnyBurnett: good luck, i'm going to bed :) |
| 03:21.23 | moshii | nanok: I wanted a real system, not a hacked up bunch of almost working stuff |
| 03:21.55 | nanok | moshii: the encrypted thingy is nice, thoough seems unnecessary. maybe it would be more interesting to have enc. support, and some easy way of managing enc. of dirs and files and so on |
| 03:22.38 | moshii | nanok: the encryption is there just incase you loose the pendrive etc |
| 03:23.28 | nanok | moshii: hm. it depends on your deffinition of litle, and yes, i do agree. i tend to think that, right now, given where discover and udev in debian are at now, knoppix for instance is unecessarly complicated and "non-debian".. |
| 03:23.30 | moshii | nanok: the idea is to be able to plug it into any machine and have an environment that isn't full of spyware |
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| 03:24.30 | moshii | nanok: knoppix etc use a bunch of cloops that hook into the system.. it's a bit of a mess really |
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| 03:24.55 | nanok | moshii: yes, ofc. that's what enc is usualy for ;). i meant that it is pointless for the whole system, as there are just some private things you want to be kept safe, that you can put in a conveninetly separated directory (maybe even fs/partition) |
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| 03:25.27 | nanok | moshii: cloops are not the mess, imho. well, depends on how you look at it, i guess |
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| 03:25.57 | nanok | moshii: it _does_ get a _lot_ on just one cd, that cloop thingy ;) |
| 03:26.10 | moshii | nanok: hmm, I think for the effort required to rebuild you cloops for new stuff you would have been better off with a bigger drive |
| 03:26.43 | nanok | moshii: well. cd's are cd's/ there are no bigger ones. just..cd's :) |
| 03:26.44 | moshii | nanok: I'm working on ipod support at the moment, imagine a nice secure debian install as a 2gig file on your pod :) |
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| 03:26.58 | nanok | moshii: the point of knoppix (on cd) is for it to be portable |
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| 03:27.14 | nanok | moshii: thats nice.. |
| 03:27.26 | dvm1981_lptp | I have an little problem here with an computer that would not reboot. Some tips to troubleshoot that ? |
| 03:27.31 | moshii | nanok: yep, I started on usb flash keys for that reason, portable, secure and you can use it like a real system |
| 03:27.37 | nanok | moshii: it shouldnt be so hard, if ipods are usb-storage |
| 03:27.43 | dvm1981_lptp | It would also not shutdown :-( |
| 03:28.03 | moshii | nanok: yeah, but installing syslinux on the first partition of a nano kills the firmware heh |
| 03:28.15 | nanok | dvm1981_lptp: what is the actual problem |
| 03:28.32 | moshii | nanok: need a hd based pod to see how they're setup, but they should be easier |
| 03:28.34 | nanok | dvm1981_lptp: "wont reboot" is a bit.. fuzzy at best.. |
| 03:29.17 | dvm1981_lptp | nanok: The computer would not reboot not shutdown, when i say that he must do it |
| 03:29.18 | nanok | moshii: ah, ok. dont have any experience with ipods, |
| 03:29.43 | moshii | nanok: at the moment you can boot any usb-storage supported device if you use the install cd, and most usb-zip/usb-hdd supported devices can boot if the bios works |
| 03:29.46 | nanok | dvm1981_lptp: ... |
| 03:29.51 | dvm1981_lptp | nanok: There are only two commands a know for that 'reboot' 'shutdown -h now' as root user |
| 03:29.54 | nanok | does it hang? does it ooops..? |
| 03:30.11 | nanok | dvm1981_lptp: there is always init n |
| 03:30.14 | moshii | nanok: For my demo I'm going to run it from my sony digicam :) |
| 03:30.23 | nanok | dvm1981_lptp: n being 0 or 6, in your case |
| 03:30.26 | dvm1981_lptp | nanok: But the computer hang on 'The system is going down ...' now al 30 minutes |
| 03:30.31 | nanok | dvm1981_lptp: but that's besides the point |
| 03:30.34 | tengulre | anybody know which website provider software exchange services? |
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| 03:31.04 | nanok | dvm1981_lptp: tell us what you are trying to do.. |
| 03:31.25 | dvm1981_lptp | nanok: To reboot the computer! |
| 03:32.04 | nanok | dvm1981_lptp: does it reboot if you hit ctrl+alt+del ? |
| 03:32.12 | moshii | dvm1981_lptp: if you can, see if telnet,ssh or a serial terminal still work |
| 03:32.25 | dvm1981_lptp | Yes yes!! ;-) |
| 03:32.36 | dvm1981_lptp | I have used 'init 0' |
| 03:32.47 | nanok | ? |
| 03:32.57 | dvm1981_lptp | computer is going to reboot now :-) |
| 03:33.13 | nanok | dvm1981_lptp: init 0 is for halt, |
| 03:33.17 | nanok | but nevermind that |
| 03:33.35 | nanok | glad it makes you happy |
| 03:33.52 | nanok | however, you seem to have some strange thing going on with your system.. |
| 03:33.58 | dvm1981_lptp | nanok: Thanks man, now the computer shutdown or reboot, what he would not do before; there whas an crash some else :-( |
| 03:34.34 | dvm1981_lptp | nanok: Yes it was runnig for 28 days, my testing computer (desktop) |
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| 03:34.58 | nanok | dvm1981_lptp: see if it does the same after reboot. if it does, you have some digging to do, i guess |
| 03:35.04 | dvm1981_lptp | nanok: And i needed to reboot because some things had crashed, to many experimented :-/ |
| 03:35.19 | nanok | maybe there was some process that was hanging, on i/o or something.. |
| 03:35.25 | nanok | and it finaly died now.. |
| 03:35.38 | moshii | dvm1981_lptp: you should find out what's really wrong instead of rebooting |
| 03:35.54 | dvm1981_lptp | nanok: Yes, i check it when rebooted. |
| 03:36.15 | Liquid_Ic | gnea, thank you it worked, i'm back up and running! |
| 03:36.19 | nanok | moshii: when you fuck up 10 things at a time, it is no longer a question of what is fucked, but of what is still working and why.. :) |
| 03:36.20 | dvm1981_lptp | moshii: Vmware the crash some time after an long run of +- 28 days |
| 03:36.39 | moshii | dvm1981_lptp: ah, vmware is a bag of crap isn't it |
| 03:36.44 | Liquid_Ic | For future refrence, what is the correct way to backup a partition? prefrably while it's running |
| 03:37.14 | dvm1981_lptp | moshii: For some things its crap; for other no! |
| 03:37.17 | nanok | Liquid_Ic: use some backup script, maybe use tar, rsync, cp.. |
| 03:37.22 | unstable | If you want to play tetris, as root type "apt-get install gtetrinet" then as non-root start gtetrinet and connect to tetrinet.debian.net |
| 03:37.40 | nanok | Liquid_Ic: you could also apt-cache search backup. you might be surprised.. ;) |
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| 03:37.57 | cafuego | of course, you don't HAVE to have a network to play tetris. |
| 03:38.04 | Liquid_Ic | ok i will take a look thanks |
| 03:38.08 | moshii | dvm1981_lptp: my machine becomes so slow with vmware running I might as well just run the other os on the real hardware |
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| 03:38.13 | dvm1981_lptp | he he unstable : you won yesterday |
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| 03:39.09 | moshii | dvm1981_lptp: if a linux kernel sticks somewhere before init vmware starts using 100% of the cpu and there's nothing left to kill it off ;) |
| 03:39.16 | dvm1981_lptp | moshii: I have change that there a some many memory on it. I have no that problem; but some times my system would not more shutdown, and i suspect that vmware |
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| 03:39.53 | dvm1981_lptp | s/change/chance |
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| 03:40.15 | dvm1981_lptp | moshii: Yes; you're right ;-) |
| 03:40.42 | moshii | dvm1981_lptp: bochs is good if you don't need raw speed |
| 03:41.02 | moshii | dvm1981_lptp: I couldn't get it to run 586+ code though :/ |
| 03:41.06 | dvm1981_lptp | Shit, i have pressed the 'reset' button; again crashed on the end of the shutdown procces :-( |
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| 03:42.16 | dvm1981_lptp | moshii: I have a bit experience with qemu, i think going again to that or so because i found that really good. Just that vmware an the GUI, need to build one for qemu or so |
| 03:42.21 | Stevie-O | gah |
| 03:42.27 | Stevie-O | I'm having trouble with proxy_arp |
| 03:42.34 | Stevie-O | it doesn't seem to be activating |
| 03:42.50 | dvm1981_lptp | pc rebooted; i shutdown it again ... to test |
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| 03:45.07 | dvm1981_lptp | Computer reboot like an 'swatch', really good :-) Some times that vmware .... when it run al more than X long days ... |
| 03:45.27 | cshaman | hi all |
| 03:45.35 | dvm1981_lptp | Looks that there a no problem with the system :-° |
| 03:45.49 | dvm1981_lptp | cshaman: Yo ;-) |
| 03:45.54 | cshaman | i've convinced my buddy to install debian, and he's found an old 2gb harddrive to play around with |
| 03:46.41 | cshaman | i'm trying my best to help him with the install -- i'm thinking he should partition only root and swap partitions due to the amount of space |
| 03:46.59 | cshaman | but 2gb is so small -- i don't know if the os will even fit on disk |
| 03:47.04 | SimonRaven | yeh |
| 03:47.11 | moshii | cshaman: just make sure he doesn't fill the root |
| 03:47.16 | SimonRaven | it will, just cramped. no gnome or kde on that thing |
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| 03:47.23 | dvm1981_lptp | cshaman: Avoid to install Gnome an KDE |
| 03:48.11 | cshaman | should the root partition be say.. 1.75 gb and the rest swap? |
| 03:48.15 | moshii | cshaman: he could use localepurge to free up some space too |
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| 03:48.43 | dvm1981_lptp | cshaman: fluxbox or so, depending what you like, but 2GB is bit just but enought to learn of Debian |
| 03:49.08 | dvm1981_lptp | moshii: Yes, he need to good clean it to get back the space |
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| 03:50.40 | dvm1981_lptp | cshaman: When installing, choose to install the bare minimal; not select 'desktop environment' |
| 03:51.05 | dvm1981_lptp | cshaman: Because that install many of things |
| 03:51.34 | nanok | cshaman: 1.75 for the system seems reasonable. if very thorough, you can put a realy decent desktop on that amount of space |
| 03:51.42 | dvm1981_lptp | yes |
| 03:52.01 | nanok | using debian |
| 03:52.49 | nanok | however, not having a lot of free space on / , and with such a small (thus old and slow) drive will make things really slow and frustrating at times... |
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| 03:53.15 | we32bn | hello |
| 03:53.19 | dvm1981_lptp | nanok: Yes; depending if you already have experience with it |
| 03:53.21 | we32bn | need some help here |
| 03:53.24 | we32bn | I need to access one host let between using two gateways. can that be done? I am add route command but it refuseses to add the host via second gateway saying: "SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable" |
| 03:54.11 | we32bn | I access the second gateway via my default gateway |
| 03:54.20 | nanok | we32bn: well, because that second gw is not on the network of any of your interfaces |
| 03:54.28 | dvm1981_lptp | we32bn: Firewall? i guess |
| 03:54.28 | cshaman | dvm1981_lptp, will de-selected "desktop env." lose gcc and dev tools? |
| 03:54.45 | we32bn | dvm1981_lptp: kinda you are right |
| 03:54.52 | dvm1981_lptp | cshaman: Install it manually |
| 03:54.58 | nanok | cshaman: those are not included by default, i think |
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| 03:55.06 | dvm1981_lptp | we32bn: Typical :-/ |
| 03:55.21 | cshaman | hmm |
| 03:55.22 | dvm1981_lptp | we32bn: ;-) |
| 03:55.32 | we32bn | dvm1981_lptp: something can be cooked this to work? |
| 03:56.02 | nanok | we32bn: it is not clear to me what you are trying to do.. |
| 03:56.09 | dvm1981_lptp | we32bn: Heum i not undestand; is not my native language |
| 03:56.21 | dvm1981_lptp | nanok: ;-) |
| 03:56.37 | nanok | strange.. |
| 03:56.45 | nanok | we32bn: are you not american?.. |
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| 03:57.05 | surfdue | hey |
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| 03:57.10 | nanok | or is verizon much wider than i thought.. |
| 03:57.11 | dvm1981_lptp | Yo |
| 03:57.28 | surfdue | i have a friend that is saying centos > debian, what should i tell him, he is saying im a noob for using debian, which is a lie |
| 03:57.33 | nanok | surfdue: yo. how's the wave today, bro.. |
| 03:57.35 | damog | Do somebody know any way screen can adjust lines and cols if I resize my terminal emulator? |
| 03:57.44 | surfdue | narly dude! |
| 03:57.50 | surfdue | ;) |
| 03:57.51 | SimonRaven | surfdue: centos is effectively unsupported |
| 03:58.01 | we32bn | my default gateway is 192.168.1.220, from that gateway I can access gateway 192.168.2.220, from there I want to access host 65.34.120.120 but it is not allowing me |
| 03:58.17 | nanok | surfdue: tell him to be a guru and keep using centos, and keep using what you like |
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| 03:58.39 | dvm1981_lptp | we32bn: Is not on the same network; i think; it's not possigle |
| 03:58.43 | dvm1981_lptp | oeps |
| 03:59.05 | surfdue | this one is a crazy one dude |
| 03:59.10 | dvm1981_lptp | Im on lptp :-/ |
| 03:59.11 | surfdue | want me to talk like that? |
| 03:59.14 | surfdue | heh |
| 03:59.23 | we32bn | dvm1981_lptp how sure you say it is not possible? |
| 03:59.43 | dvm1981_lptp | we32bn: 75% |
| 03:59.47 | nanok | we32bn: as sure as he is of what you are trying to do |
| 03:59.52 | nanok | that is.. not sure at all |
| 04:00.29 | nanok | we32bn: may i ask what your native language is? |
| 04:00.59 | nanok | dvm1981_lptp: yours is german, i assume? |
| 04:01.17 | dvm1981_lptp | nanok: Dutch :-) |
| 04:01.29 | nanok | dvm1981_lptp: oh.. figures :) |
| 04:01.34 | dvm1981_lptp | nanok: And French |
| 04:01.52 | nanok | dvm1981_lptp: yes, i thought so |
| 04:02.00 | nanok | i was misslead by the name |
| 04:02.05 | dvm1981_lptp | nanok: Nut german he, Dutch is not the same language |
| 04:02.33 | nanok | dvm1981_lptp: yes, i know. dutch doesnt resemble most anything else i know.. |
| 04:02.44 | we32bn | "route add -net 65.34.120.120 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.2.220" get error "route: netmask doesn't match route address" |
| 04:02.55 | dvm1981_lptp | nanok: I understand nothings in german :-( |
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| 04:03.08 | magyar | i keep getting "localhost" in my syslogs. Is there a way to change that? |
| 04:03.10 | nanok | we32bn: i got that. the q is what you actually want to do, first, the comand after ;) |
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| 04:03.17 | kreg_work | man page for dig doesn't really show info on how to do a reverse lookup. nslookup defaultly does a revers as well as the A record. can dig do a reverse? |
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| 04:03.56 | dvm1981_lptp | magyar: Change you're host name?? |
| 04:04.06 | we32bn | nanok, here me out |
| 04:04.08 | nanok | kreg_work: see q-type |
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| 04:04.30 | SimonRaven | oh gawds, 2 spelling errors in a row |
| 04:04.32 | we32bn | nanok: my default gateway is 192.168.1.220, from that gateway I can access gateway 192.168.2.220, but from there I want to access host 65.34.120.120 but it is not allowing me |
| 04:04.48 | nanok | we32bn: if you happen to be more comfortable speeking french, pm me explaining. dont use accents and such, though, please :) |
| 04:05.10 | magyar | dvm1981_lptp, where, i chnged it in /etc/hosts, /etc/hostname |
| 04:05.12 | dvm1981_lptp | we32bn: I think because it's not on the same network; so he not know that one |
| 04:05.13 | SimonRaven | !french |
| 04:05.13 | dpkg | Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr |
| 04:05.17 | we32bn | nanok: i am korean |
| 04:05.26 | dvm1981_lptp | magyar: That last one |
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| 04:05.36 | nanok | we32bn: oh, ok. i cant speek korean, sorry :) |
| 04:05.48 | we32bn | nanok ok |
| 04:06.05 | magyar | dvm1981_lptp, i already changed there but no luck :( |
| 04:06.06 | kreg_work | nanok, i don't see that on man dig |
| 04:06.34 | dvm1981_lptp | magyar: But that other also, but that im not sur; is for local dns i think. Have you restart the network? |
| 04:06.36 | nanok | we32bn: ok, you want to just acces that second host, or use it as a gw? to use it as a gw, you cannot use it trough another gw, you have to have "direct" access to it.. |
| 04:07.00 | nanok | we32bn: you should read some more on general networking i guess, to clear things up |
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| 04:08.22 | dvm1981_lptp | we32bn: There are great howto on the 'tldp' The linux documentation project |
| 04:08.24 | nanok | kreg_work: A typical invocation of dig looks like: |
| 04:08.24 | nanok | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:08.38 | magyar | dvm1981_lptp, local dns, thank you , it works |
| 04:09.10 | dvm1981_lptp | magyar: :-) |
| 04:09.30 | magyar | -_- |
| 04:10.08 | we32bn | !tldp |
| 04:10.08 | dpkg | i guess tldp is The Linux Documentation Project at http://www.tldp.org |
| 04:10.36 | dvm1981_lptp | A great site man!!! |
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| 04:11.06 | wen2 | help: if i want make some txt file to a deb package, how should i do? |
| 04:11.27 | dvm1981_lptp | we32bn: If you would like; you can install the documentation of tldp on you're system |
| 04:11.53 | dvm1981_lptp | we32bn: There are an package about it; i not remember the name of it |
| 04:11.54 | nanok | we32bn: while youre at it, see also rute and debian reference ;) |
| 04:12.30 | dvm1981_lptp | nanok: :-) |
| 04:13.24 | kreg_work | nanok, ya i get that. but i don't get the reverse when i try |
| 04:13.24 | kreg_work | dig @12.160.224.81 12.160.224.14 PTR |
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| 04:14.21 | dvm1981_lptp | we32bn: Look a bit one http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/ then the page 'read stuff' |
| 04:14.46 | ke6isf | Is there a package out there for elm? |
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| 04:15.32 | nanok | kreg_work: try host 12.160.224.81 |
| 04:15.46 | nanok | kreg_work: maybe that suiths you better ;) |
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| 04:16.34 | nanok | kreg_work: or dig -x |
| 04:16.47 | nop | hi guys :) What is point 7 (Distribution of License) in DFSG means? |
| 04:16.48 | nanok | kreg_work: (see man dig, ;) |
| 04:17.06 | SimonRaven | ke6isf: seriously? i haven't seen any since potato |
| 04:17.21 | ke6isf | SimonRaven: Yeah. I have a user asking for it. =O.o= |
| 04:17.50 | SimonRaven | i suppose you can go th snapshot.d.n and get the source and rebuild it |
| 04:17.54 | SimonRaven | to* |
| 04:17.56 | Stevie-O | ln -s /bin/mutt /bin/elm |
| 04:18.02 | nanok | ke6isf: tell him that he was defreezed to the 21st century, as required, and to deal with it.. |
| 04:18.06 | nanok | :P |
| 04:18.08 | SimonRaven | Stevie-O: hehe |
| 04:18.31 | nanok | s/required/requested |
| 04:18.31 | Stevie-O | ever typed pico under debian? :) |
| 04:18.32 | ryan` | i was about to sugguest linking pine to it. |
| 04:19.09 | ryan` | Stevie-O, it's linked to nano by default isn't it? |
| 04:19.10 | ke6isf | SimonRaven: Yeah, I can probably pull off of a sourceball. |
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| 04:19.45 | *** topic/#debian by dondelelcaro -> DPL Debate at 22:30 UTC in #debian-dpl-debate | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg 2006 key | NOTE: this is NOT #ubuntu. | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | X.org: sid, etch and /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java |
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| 04:19.50 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 04:20.04 | SimonRaven | Topic: -: BADSIG? Some mirrors borked. Use a different mirror; Topic: +: DPL Debate at 22:30 UTC in #debian-dpl-debate |
| 04:20.04 | ryan` | hmm |
| 04:20.18 | ryan` | there is on pine package apparently |
| 04:20.18 | nop | join #debian-dpl-debate |
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| 04:20.46 | lindenle | ok i have alsa and a sound card that requires software mixing of channels which i have working. But the sun java i have installed does not use alsa...does anyone know where i can get a java that will use alsa? |
| 04:21.00 | lindenle | mostly for firefox plugin |
| 04:21.09 | SimonRaven | good fucking luck |
| 04:21.20 | nanok | lindenle: i think you would be better off using the oss emulation of alsa.. |
| 04:21.27 | ryan` | the app has to know about alsa/oss? |
| 04:21.29 | ryan` | ick |
| 04:21.46 | SimonRaven | oss emu will work. |
| 04:22.05 | lindenle | not with multiple streams |
| 04:22.07 | Covener | lindenle: run your browser under aoss to get binary plugins to kindasorta use alsa |
| 04:22.19 | lindenle | and the java_vm stays up and blocks sound even after closing java app |
| 04:22.31 | lindenle | i see good idea i already do that for skype |
| 04:22.36 | lindenle | <thumbs up> |
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| 04:22.47 | ryan` | lindenle, you can't use multiple streams, then |
| 04:22.52 | SimonRaven | lindenle: no, but that's what you have now |
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| 04:22.58 | ryan` | oss sucks.... |
| 04:23.00 | Covener | lindenle: there's a place for it in the mozillarc files |
| 04:23.06 | lindenle | i am using mplayer and xmms right now |
| 04:23.16 | lindenle | works fine |
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| 04:23.23 | lindenle | but if java is up nothing else can play |
| 04:23.28 | SimonRaven | they both use alsa |
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| 04:23.34 | lindenle | right |
| 04:23.40 | lindenle | java uses oss I guess |
| 04:23.41 | nanok | ryan`: oss rocks. just not this century, anymore ;) |
| 04:23.50 | lindenle | why wont aoss work it works for skye |
| 04:23.55 | ryan` | heh |
| 04:24.06 | lindenle | run browser in aoss |
| 04:24.17 | lindenle | like Covener said |
| 04:24.20 | ryan` | nanok, well, the whole 'only handle one stream' thing in oss is a PITA |
| 04:25.25 | nanok | ryan`: actually, that is not even the problem with oss. i could live with that, really. the chaotic architecture of it is what makes me dizzy. compared to alsa, it is a joke |
| 04:25.29 | NimaK | how can i get gdm to stop logging me out every time i ctrl+alt+F# to a command line? |
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| 04:25.46 | lindenle | thanks Covener I should have thought of that |
| 04:25.51 | NimaK | im assuming its gdm's faunt |
| 04:25.53 | NimaK | fault* |
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| 04:26.16 | SimonRaven | NimaK: sounds like it may be crashing when you switch vt |
| 04:26.20 | nanok | ke6isf: maybe a dragon?.. :P |
| 04:26.23 | stew | ke6isf: a bat? |
| 04:26.46 | thecreator | what package is the linux src in? |
| 04:27.01 | SimonRaven | !tell thecreator -about search |
| 04:27.02 | ke6isf | nanok, stew: Probably a dragon, based on the website. |
| 04:27.16 | Stevie-O | gah |
| 04:27.20 | stew | ke6isf: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1565928393/ |
| 04:27.23 | Stevie-O | help! I cannot login via ssh |
| 04:27.32 | SimonRaven | afk |
| 04:27.33 | nanok | ke6isf: a fire breathing one.. |
| 04:27.57 | ke6isf | ...yep, it's a bat. Though, nanok, you should be right. =^_^= |
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| 04:28.17 | NimaK | omfg, SimonRaven it didn't crash when i tried it |
| 04:28.20 | Stevie-O | http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste |
| 04:28.21 | ryan` | heh |
| 04:28.24 | Stevie-O | err wait |
| 04:28.30 | Stevie-O | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2084 |
| 04:28.30 | ryan` | sendmail is /evil/ |
| 04:28.36 | nanok | damn, wtf was that?.. |
| 04:28.43 | lindenle | ok that worked great |
| 04:28.45 | lindenle | :) |
| 04:28.49 | lindenle | very happy now |
| 04:28.52 | thecreator | I don't know if I got it answered, my screen reader got spammed, what package is mthe linux src in? |
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| 04:29.16 | Stevie-O | thecreator: linux-source-2.6.15 |
| 04:29.17 | NimaK | thecreator, its like linux-source-2.6.12 |
| 04:29.31 | lindenle | Next question my ipw2200 wireless card h=gets hosed after hibernate is there a way to fix this? |
| 04:29.33 | NimaK | nice job, Stevie-O |
| 04:29.34 | stew | thecreator: if you are on sarge aka stable its kernel-source-$version, /msg dpkg searc |
| 04:29.38 | stew | err *search |
| 04:29.45 | thecreator | ah... I thought that response came from a different chan.. I did apt-get install linux-2.6.8 and it didn't find anything... |
| 04:29.55 | Stevie-O | segmentation fault |
| 04:29.57 | Stevie-O | interesting |
| 04:30.00 | nanok | Stevie-O: what box are you trying to login into? |
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| 04:30.11 | Stevie-O | debug3: PAM: sshpam_thread_cleanup entering |
| 04:30.11 | Stevie-O | Segmentation fault |
| 04:30.19 | Stevie-O | ^^ from sshd -ddd |
| 04:30.42 | NimaK | thecreator, apt-cache seach <search string> |
| 04:30.53 | thecreator | don't know if it helps, but kernel.org tells me 2.6.8 is a patch from kernel 2.6.8 |
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| 04:31.01 | thecreator | oops... from 2.6.7] |
| 04:31.11 | thecreator | can't type today... lol |
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| 04:31.20 | Stevie-O | PAM is crashing. Interesting. |
| 04:31.22 | thecreator | so, would I just get 2.6.7? |
| 04:31.28 | nanok | thecreator: there is always a patch. a kernel is not a patch, but there is a patch from the previous kernel |
| 04:31.38 | NimaK | thecreator, if you are on the old kernel, its kernel-source-versionnumbers |
| 04:31.47 | Stevie-O | I will have to debug this in more detail later |
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| 04:31.57 | thecreator | ah.. so, I could go apply patches all the way up to the new version of the kernel? |
| 04:32.00 | NimaK | by old kernel, i mean 2.6.8 |
| 04:32.23 | NimaK | thecreator, that would be a pain in the ass |
| 04:32.29 | bloom | what's the appropriate place to send a kernel oops in a stock debian kernel when I'm trying to hotsync my palmpilot? should I send it to the bts or to lkml? |
| 04:32.32 | nanok | thecreator: you could, if you want an up2date source to build, and are doing this all the time.. |
| 04:32.36 | thecreator | what do you mean kernel-source-numbers? sorry, I am new to this stuff.. and its weird... lol |
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| 04:33.12 | nanok | thecreator: why do you want to build, if you are new to it, anyway? any special (good) reason? |
| 04:33.20 | NimaK | thecreator, the package for 2.6.8 source will be called kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 04:33.35 | thecreator | my compiler well, the program I need to compile needs programs from the kernel... |
| 04:33.41 | thecreator | files** |
| 04:33.44 | thecreator | or headers what ever... |
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| 04:33.57 | thecreator | thanks... |
| 04:34.00 | thecreator | brb, going to get.. |
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| 04:35.05 | Jerry | Where would a usb memory stick reside in /dev? Or is there an easier way to mount it? |
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| 04:35.21 | nanok | thecreator: you can just get the headers, if building the actual kernel is not what you want |
| 04:35.25 | nanok | usualy, the headers should be enough |
| 04:35.28 | bloom | what's the appropriate place to send a kernel oops in a stock debian kernel when I'm trying to hotsync my palmpilot? should I send it to the bts or to lkml? |
| 04:36.07 | nanok | Jerry: use dmesg to see what it was mapped to. or use the devices io slave in konqueror, if using kde |
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| 04:36.35 | efarrar | hey i have a mousepad and an eraserhead as my pointers, but xset m only seems to control the eraser...How can i make it control the mousepad? |
| 04:36.53 | kreg_work | '#' work as a comment in a zone file or named.conf? |
| 04:37.04 | nanok | efarrar: depends on the laptop. see google |
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| 04:37.22 | nanok | kreg_work: i think it should be %, dont know about # |
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| 04:38.00 | nanok | efarrar: the eraser head is usually refered to as trackpoint, for the sake of google ;) |
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| 04:39.34 | kreg_work | lame. google results "command" when i use "comment line linux bind" for the search |
| 04:39.57 | othecreatr | hay.. sorry, I had to disconnect and change clients... I am differnt.. thecreator is still being used for some stupid reason... |
| 04:40.15 | othecreatr | so, it won't liet me change out.. and, that linux-src thing worked... thx |
| 04:40.17 | ke6isf | I have a friend who is running Mandrake 10.1, and I'm trying to talk him into switching to Sarge. My experience with changing over from the same distro was pretty painless, but mine was also using /home on a separate partition - and he doesn't wish to obliterate his /home. I'm thinking debtakeover is a solution, but are there better ideas for him? |
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| 04:40.33 | othecreatr | he doesn't have to, he can just tar it... |
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| 04:40.40 | othecreatr | and then move it.. |
| 04:40.50 | othecreatr | I did it when I ran a loopback on the other linux system... |
| 04:41.36 | Jerry | nanok: found it on dmesg. It says /dev/scsi0/../.. and so on, but I don't seem to have a /dev/scsi0 in /dev? |
| 04:41.59 | nanok | ke6isf: will you enjoy it when he will ask you to setup supermount for him? :) |
| 04:42.17 | ke6isf | nanok: Well, since I don't know supermount... |
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| 04:42.36 | NimaK | othecreatr, killall bitchx, but it will log you out of your current session too |
| 04:42.38 | othecreatr | tared the folder, moved it to another hd, ran loopback encryption on the partition, and then moved it backi... the only bad thing with that, is I had to mount it when I started... or, put in my password at boot every time, but it wasn't bad, I just left it out and at root I logged in through ssh and mounted the drive and all my users had there drives... |
| 04:42.54 | othecreatr | kk... brb. |
| 04:43.09 | nanok | ke6isf: it's that crap that makes sure you can push the button on the cdrom and get it to open even when mounted (amongst toher things), and it needs kernel patching.. |
| 04:43.18 | nanok | really nifty .. yuk |
| 04:43.23 | NimaK | well, that didnt work |
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| 04:43.37 | ke6isf | nanok: I probably won't have to support it. He's old hat Unix (sysV, that sort of thing). |
| 04:43.43 | tejing | quick question: I have the latest SID 2.6 kernel, with alsa built in, and I'm wondering how I get oss-emulation working. I used to have iot working, but I've totally forgotten how |
| 04:44.02 | nanok | ke6isf: oh. i see. than he wants debian :) |
| 04:44.10 | ke6isf | nanok: Well, yeah. |
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| 04:46.22 | nanok | ke6isf: he should tar his home dir i guess, if that is all he wants to keep, and be carefull when untaring, to not override debian standard configs in his new home dir, unless it is really what he wants |
| 04:47.01 | nanok | ke6isf: but if he is an old unix user, i doubt if you need to guide him trough migrating from one distro to another, making backups and so on... |
| 04:47.02 | ke6isf | nanok: Well, like I said to him, my transition was pretty painless, modulo changing a few permissions here and there. |
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| 04:48.58 | ke6isf | nanok: Then again, he was using Slackware for the longest time. =O.o= |
| 04:49.37 | nanok | ke6isf: well. nobody's perfect. not even I (perhaps) |
| 04:49.38 | nanok | :P |
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| 04:55.33 | JayR888 | doea anybody know why ubuntu (latest) and suse linux (latest) randomly freezes on my PC? and Debian 3.1 is rock solid? |
| 04:55.35 | unstable | !tell JayR888 about ubuntu |
| 04:55.42 | unstable | !tell JayR888 about suse |
| 04:55.53 | eigenlambda | so i have xfonts-intl-asian installed... |
| 04:56.00 | unstable | !start a distro war |
| 04:56.00 | dpkg | MEPIS is stupid! |
| 04:56.21 | eigenlambda | ...and all the korean characters that should be displayed are non-printing |
| 04:56.54 | eigenlambda | i don't get it. what the hell? |
| 04:57.23 | eigenlambda | its really pissing me off though, because im trying to study korean for my linguistics class |
| 04:58.18 | eigenlambda | before, i was just like, why doesnt korean display? but didnt really care all that much |
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| 04:58.20 | eigenlambda | ...so i tried various fonts, thinking that one of them might have the characters i'm looking for. No dice. |
| 04:58.37 | eigenlambda | the interesting thing is, when i flip to the hangul code page in gucharmap, it's blank |
| 04:58.58 | eigenlambda | almost like i have no korean fonts installed! |
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| 04:59.18 | eigenlambda | but, xfonts-intl-asian is installed. where are the hangul fonts? |
| 04:59.34 | lindenle | Ok I figured out the wireless thing, but I have a new question |
| 05:00.02 | lindenle | My laptop will suspend but no keys wake it up anyway to test what is going on |
| 05:00.26 | lindenle | love you too |
| 05:01.46 | eigenlambda | i have arabic, armenian, braille, devanagari, ethiopic, gujarati, gurmukhi, hebrew, kannada, malayam, oriya, runic, sinhala, syriac, tamil, telugu, thaana... |
| 05:01.51 | eigenlambda | no hangul |
| 05:01.55 | paulproteus | !tell me about ubuntu |
| 05:02.07 | nanok | JayR888: try a memtest, and other hw related tests. you might have a hardware issue, prolly a serious one |
| 05:02.24 | eigenlambda | !tell dpkg about ubuntu |
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| 05:02.34 | thecreator | back! |
| 05:02.38 | Tchiak | What does it mean if a configure script says: cannot find libusb support, and how do i get libusb support? |
| 05:02.43 | thecreator | brb now... lol... |
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| 05:02.56 | eigenlambda | why are those characters missing? |
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| 05:03.29 | thecreator | hay,l I just got the src... does anyone know where it would be located? |
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| 05:03.58 | thecreator | I was trying to log in earlier, but I had to wait for my client to finish downloading, because it wouldn't let me kill the process with root.. even wien I did killall bitchx. |
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| 05:04.09 | thecreator | linux and one of its gay moments... lol |
| 05:04.13 | nanok | thecreator: depending on how you got it, it will be located where you put it, or where it is supposed to be |
| 05:04.18 | pjv | what's a good mta? there are soo many out there i'm not sure which one is the best to use overall |
| 05:04.19 | thecreator | got it through apt. |
| 05:04.28 | nanok | for manual get or dpkg respectively |
| 05:04.29 | paulproteus | pjv: I hear good things about exim4, but I personally use Postfix and enjoy it. |
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| 05:04.36 | eigenlambda | pjv: sendmail |
| 05:04.44 | nanok | thecreator: than it is where it is supposed to be, dont need to worry ;) |
| 05:04.45 | eigenlambda | hehe |
| 05:04.47 | pjv | paulproteus: i was opting for postfix |
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| 05:05.00 | nanok | thecreator: you got the headers, i assume |
| 05:05.19 | thecreator | I am not worrying. I wanted to know where it is... I don't know what I got... I just did apt-get install linux-src-2.6.8 |
| 05:05.23 | pjv | hmm exim |
| 05:05.30 | Tchiak | What does it mean if a configure script says: cannot find libusb support, and how do i get libusb support? |
| 05:05.30 | nanok | thecreator: generaly, use dpkg -L package-name |
| 05:05.34 | Tchiak | >_< |
| 05:05.36 | Tchiak | freakin keyboard |
| 05:05.46 | thecreator | and I wanted to know what it was well, where it was.. so I could go see what I got. |
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| 05:06.13 | nanok | thecreator: ah, ok. if you got that, it is probably just a tar.gz in your /usr/src/ |
| 05:06.16 | pjv | paulp:you had no problems with postfix? |
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| 05:06.42 | pjv | paulproteus: rather |
| 05:06.50 | nanok | Tchiak: apt-cache search? |
| 05:07.05 | paulproteus | pjv: No, I haven't had any problems with Postfix. It was fairly easy to configure. |
| 05:07.09 | thecreator | let me go check... |
| 05:07.12 | thecreator | brb |
| 05:07.27 | paulproteus | I don't know how to make it deliver to Maildirs by default (whereas I know Exim can), so I have an /etc/procmailrc that handles that for me. |
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| 05:07.30 | nanok | Tchiak: if it is a configure script (as in GNU make), you probably want the -dev package also |
| 05:07.30 | thecreator | nada there... |
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| 05:07.48 | paulproteus | thecreator: dpkg -L {packagename} |
| 05:07.50 | nanok | thecreator: dpk - |
| 05:07.51 | pjv | paulproteus: do you have postfix integrated with spamassasins or an antivirus app? |
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| 05:07.55 | nanok | thecreator: dpkg -L |
| 05:07.56 | thecreator | brb |
| 05:07.57 | nanok | sorry |
| 05:08.04 | thecreator | will do |
| 05:08.05 | paulproteus | pjv: I use dspam on postfix and I do antivirus via procmail again. |
| 05:08.13 | paulproteus | Via clamd, iirc. |
| 05:08.28 | rusty | Greetings all, I'm having an issue with installing Debian 3.1 Stable on my HP Laptop. It freezes whenever it gets to the EHCI? or USB or PCMCIA hardware detection. |
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| 05:09.03 | nanok | rusty: have you tried linux26 boot option? |
| 05:09.14 | qpxxpq | nanok: No. Let me try that now. |
| 05:09.53 | pjv | paulproteus: ty |
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| 05:10.46 | qpxxpq | nanok: what is 'linux26' ? |
| 05:11.20 | nanok | qpxxpq: boot option. instead of pressing enter at the boot prompt, you type linux26 and press enter |
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| 05:11.35 | syntaxis | qpxxpq: it means it uses the 2.6 kernel |
| 05:11.47 | qpxxpq | Right.... What other kernel is there? |
| 05:11.53 | syntaxis | qpxxpq: 2.4 |
| 05:12.02 | qpxxpq | syntaxis: Does the 2,4 boot as default? |
| 05:12.03 | dvm1981_lptp | qpxxpq: Instead of use the ^^ |
| 05:12.08 | qpxxpq | nanok: Ty yo utoo |
| 05:12.24 | nanok | oh, sorry. i missunderstood the q, i guess |
| 05:12.29 | qpxxpq | its ok |
| 05:12.30 | syntaxis | qpxxpq: yes, unless you use the 'linux26' boot option as nanok has just instructed |
| 05:12.41 | nanok | qpxxpq: the 2.4 is default, yes |
| 05:12.43 | qpxxpq | What is the difference between the 2.4 kernel and 2.6? |
| 05:13.05 | syntaxis | qpxxpq: 2.4 is older and thus considered by some to be more tried-and-tested |
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| 05:13.32 | nanok | 2.6 is the latest. 2.4 is older (though quite up2date) and very well tested (time is the tester ;) |
| 05:13.39 | michael117 | How can I find the dependencies of a deb package with dpkg? |
| 05:13.48 | syntaxis | qpxxpq: additionally, 2.6 was relatively new at the time that Sarge was frozen |
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| 05:14.03 | qpxxpq | syntaxis: Is 2.6 considered a 'stable' os? |
| 05:14.05 | qpxxpq | kernel* |
| 05:14.23 | syntaxis | qpxxpq: yes |
| 05:14.27 | nanok | qpxxpq: yes. it is stable |
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| 05:14.42 | qpxxpq | I sincerly hope this works 'cause this laptop is awesome and I want a portable linux machine. :) |
| 05:14.47 | syntaxis | qpxxpq: well, there's no longer a separate development branch for the kernel - it's all folded directly into the mainline, now |
| 05:14.49 | qpxxpq | Its essentially a gaming laptop. |
| 05:14.56 | eigenlambda | does everybody who needs to type in korean use ubuntu or something? |
| 05:15.02 | nanok | syntaxis: not stable as in "debian stable" though. debian stable means tested the hell out off ;) |
| 05:15.22 | qpxxpq | Stable as in will run as a desktop work station for a few days = stable |
| 05:15.35 | qpxxpq | Same issue I ran into before happened. |
| 05:15.40 | syntaxis | nanok: personally, I agree, but for his situation it's excessively conservative |
| 05:15.58 | CptnObvious | How do I get firefox 1.5? |
| 05:16.12 | qpxxpq | It was loading the uhci_hcd module and went into the USB devices and then froze on the ip1394: eth1: ieee-1394 IPv4 over 1394 ethernet (fw-host0) |
| 05:16.12 | eigenlambda | CptnObvious: apt-get install firefox |
| 05:16.41 | qpxxpq | heh that should be on bash for some reason |
| 05:16.52 | eigenlambda | the firefox 1.5 packages are called 'firefox' |
| 05:16.59 | CptnObvious | I guess so. |
| 05:17.01 | CptnObvious | Lol. |
| 05:17.02 | eigenlambda | previous versions were packaged as 'mozilla-firefox' |
| 05:17.05 | CptnObvious | Sweet. |
| 05:17.10 | eigenlambda | it is possible to get confused |
| 05:17.10 | nanok | syntaxis: i personaly use 2.6 and love it. i even use it on my laptop, which is a 233mhz pentium, works very nice |
| 05:17.13 | eigenlambda | i was confused once... |
| 05:17.14 | syntaxis | qpxxpq: check the other boot options - try and disable as much autodetection as you can |
| 05:17.21 | eigenlambda | ...and there was no documentation either |
| 05:17.26 | syntaxis | nanok: :-) |
| 05:17.47 | qpxxpq | the 2.6 kernel seemed to load faster too |
| 05:18.03 | nanok | ppl have been urging me to use 2.2, it is "best" "fastest" and shit for older hw. bulcrap, urban legends |
| 05:18.03 | qpxxpq | are 2.4 kernel based packages compatable with 2.6? |
| 05:18.10 | CptnObvious | What about mozilla-thunderbird? |
| 05:18.15 | eigenlambda | i love debian. but i can't take forever looking up font packages when i have work to do |
| 05:18.25 | nanok | qpxxpq: most packages are not kernel dependant |
| 05:18.33 | eigenlambda | CptnObvious: have you discovered apt-cache search? |
| 05:18.57 | eigenlambda | 'apt-cache search thunderbird' will tell you what the thunderbird package is called |
| 05:19.01 | nanok | eigenlambda: prolly not, it was to obvious for the captain.. :) |
| 05:19.01 | Tchiak | SRC RUL3Z J00 |
| 05:19.23 | eigenlambda | nanok: ya, he does have a dumb name |
| 05:19.40 | eigenlambda | i wish there was an up-to-date debian user tutorial... |
| 05:19.49 | eigenlambda | debian was cool once. ten years ago. |
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| 05:19.53 | nanok | eigenlambda: debian reference? |
| 05:20.00 | eigenlambda | i dunno |
| 05:20.07 | nanok | eigenlambda: debian is cooler than ever, imho |
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| 05:20.14 | syntaxis | nanok: don't feed the troll |
| 05:20.31 | qpxxpq | Ok so now I disabled the USB from booting up |
| 05:20.34 | dondelelcaro | !debian reference |
| 05:20.34 | dpkg | the debian reference guide used to be known as the debian quick reference [but now it's too big to be "quick"] and is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html |
| 05:20.35 | eigenlambda | debian is definitely technologically superior to redhat or gentoo |
| 05:20.36 | dondelelcaro | eigenlambda: see above. |
| 05:20.36 | qpxxpq | now going to attempt it again |
| 05:20.44 | Agra | ok I've RTFM I can't figure out how in the hell to create a postgresql database, neither createuser nor createdb work and I can't figure out what they want, does anyone know? |
| 05:20.44 | ScOrPiO-JCM_Slas | I have a small problem my gdm wont record my last secion i last used it goes straight to using gnome instead of KDE. What could sem the problem? |
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| 05:21.12 | dondelelcaro | Agra: psql template1; create database fooname; |
| 05:21.33 | dondelelcaro | Agra: although, createdb will work if you've got the postgresql server running |
| 05:21.45 | tzarathusra | help |
| 05:21.47 | Ashex | What's the network browsing utility in debian? |
| 05:21.56 | dondelelcaro | Ashex: which network? |
| 05:22.08 | Ashex | local network, windows network |
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| 05:22.21 | ScOrPiO-JCM_Slas | I use Konquer for network browsing |
| 05:22.22 | Tchiak | Agra: this is why i use mysql |
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| 05:22.25 | Tchiak | LET THE BOOING BEGIN! |
| 05:22.33 | eigenlambda | ya... that reference manual is populated with entries about xserver-common-v3 (files and utilities common to XFree86 3.x servers) |
| 05:22.36 | nanok | qpxxpq: you might want to try and google for your laptop model and linux/debian. someone has most likely setup linux on one allready, and there myght be known/solved issues specific to your model |
| 05:22.43 | Ashex | Konquer doesn't find my computer |
| 05:22.44 | eigenlambda | not that a historical perspective is a bad thing, but wheres the xorg info? |
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| 05:22.56 | Agra | dondelelcar: I have postmaster running 'psql template1' complains 'user "root" does not exist' |
| 05:23.12 | Tchiak | o_o |
| 05:23.12 | Tchiak | wait |
| 05:23.15 | ScOrPiO-JCM_Slas | smb://workgroup/ |
| 05:23.15 | dondelelcaro | Agra: you need to run psql -U postmaster; or similar. |
| 05:23.19 | nanok | Ashex: smb:// |
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| 05:23.24 | eigenlambda | to (re-)configure an XF4 server, dpkg-reconfigure --priority=low xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:23.24 | Ashex | ok |
| 05:23.25 | dondelelcaro | Agra: or if you want to use the root user, use createuser to create it |
| 05:23.25 | Tchiak | your trying to run a postgresql as root? |
| 05:23.35 | eigenlambda | ok, so s/xfree68/xorg, and its updated |
| 05:23.51 | eigenlambda | except! what if you've modified your /etc/xorg.conf? |
| 05:24.17 | eigenlambda | in that case, you need to md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf > /var/lib/somewhere |
| 05:24.19 | qpxxpq | i saw porn and my attention came back here |
| 05:24.23 | ScOrPiO-JCM_Slas | Can anyone help me out? Why wont my gdm remember my last secion setting when I use KDE? Instead it goes trough GDM? |
| 05:24.26 | nanok | Tchiak: nooooo |
| 05:24.39 | nanok | Tchiak: use dd if=/dev/urandom instead |
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| 05:24.43 | eigenlambda | why is that crucial bit of infos not in the reference manual? |
| 05:24.45 | nanok | :P |
| 05:24.53 | dvm1981_lptp | lol |
| 05:25.04 | eigenlambda | I had to come here and ask about it. And I subsequently answered that same question for two other people. |
| 05:25.05 | yaggs | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Is Now On Google http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
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| 05:25.06 | Tchiak | or i could write a program that bitshifts all the files on his harddrives randomly based off a changing seed |
| 05:25.09 | eigenlambda | why is it not in the manual? |
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| 05:25.15 | yaggs | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Is Now On Google http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
| 05:25.15 | eigenlambda | yaggs: stfu |
| 05:25.17 | dvm1981_lptp | Bingo The BIG lotto begin |
| 05:25.18 | yaggs | Gay Niggers From Outer Space Is Now On Google http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5121649266422516795&q= |
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| 05:25.26 | nanok | these idiots never learn.. |
| 05:25.27 | Phated | Go go dondelelcaro! |
| 05:25.27 | qpxxpq | ty dondel |
| 05:25.29 | Agra | dondelelcaro: 'psql -U postmaster template1' fails with 'IDENT authentication failed for user "postmaster"' |
| 05:25.32 | Tchiak | or i could write a program that bitshifts all the files on his harddrives randomly based off a changing seed |
| 05:25.33 | dvm1981_lptp | !ops DNAA again |
| 05:25.33 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: DNAA again |
| 05:25.40 | dondelelcaro | dvm1981_lptp: ? |
| 05:25.43 | Tchiak | that would make it hard to ever get the data back |
| 05:25.45 | dvm1981_lptp | sorry |
| 05:25.59 | Tchiak | 1 bit shifts 2, second bit shifts 4 left, 3rd shifts 2 right |
| 05:26.01 | dondelelcaro | Agra: yes, you need to su to the postmaster use to create the first user |
| 05:26.02 | dvm1981_lptp | dondelelcaro: You are quick man ;-) |
| 05:26.03 | Stevie-O | wait, you want it BACK? |
| 05:26.11 | Agra | dondelelcaro: I get same message for any user I try, I agree it seems like postgres wants a certain user but how do I find out which one |
| 05:26.29 | dondelelcaro | Agra: err... postgres, rather. |
| 05:26.32 | qpxxpq | syntaxis: I am still having the issue, what do you sugest I do |
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| 05:27.02 | syntaxis | qpxxpq: please file a bug |
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| 05:27.15 | dvm1981_lptp | dondelelcaro: I had not see you was here :-/ sorry guy |
| 05:27.31 | nanok | Tchiak: aka "watching shit scroll by for hours makes me a linux xp33rt over night" |
| 05:27.43 | dondelelcaro | dvm1981_lptp: no worries... but just try to be aware of that before triggering that factoid, because you trigger it for ~ 10 people |
| 05:27.44 | nanok | :) |
| 05:28.01 | qpxxpq | syntaxis: When you are doig a parameter line can you have more than one thing in the line? |
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| 05:28.19 | dvm1981_lptp | dondelelcaro: Yes, that's right :-/ How many time you are on the computer now? |
| 05:28.57 | Agra | dondelelcaro: ok that worked, thanks. I guess this comes out seeming totally undocumented because postgres docs say to do as user used to install postgres, but debian makes a special user id for postgres? |
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| 05:29.24 | dondelelcaro | Agra: postgres is the user used to install postgres on Debian. [Technically, it's the user runing the postmaster.] |
| 05:29.28 | eigenlambda | where is the korean font? |
| 05:29.43 | dondelelcaro | dvm1981_lptp: oh, if an op was just here and hasn't dealt with the problem, it's ok... I'm just talking about cases where the problem has been already dealt with |
| 05:29.54 | Agra | dondelelcaro: since you have to become root before becoming postgres anyway what is the point of having a saperate postgres user, other than creating this horrible documentation hole? |
| 05:30.02 | ScOrPiO-JCM_Slas | I'm gonna post my prob at the debian forums |
| 05:30.06 | nanok | eigenlambda: try apt-cache search, and maybe google for a howto on seting that up on debian |
| 05:30.12 | dondelelcaro | Agra: because you shouldn't actually be using that user ever save to create the initial user. |
| 05:30.25 | eigenlambda | nanok: i have apt-cache searched, google searched, and found nothing |
| 05:30.30 | eigenlambda | thus, i am here |
| 05:30.37 | dondelelcaro | Agra: the reason why we use it is because the database user can traditionally write to the filesystem. This is a problem. |
| 05:30.41 | dvm1981_lptp | dondelelcaro: Yes, i understand, but not what happends these last days here whit these stupid DNAA |
| 05:30.51 | qpxxpq | When you are at the special boot parameter installation screen, how can you write out more than one parameter? I.e: debian-installer/probe/usb=false (and) debian-installer/start_pcmcia=false |
| 05:30.54 | dondelelcaro | dvm1981_lptp: oh... we get trolls all the time. |
| 05:31.01 | eigenlambda | come on, tell me i didn't just already fucking google it |
| 05:31.04 | dondelelcaro | dvm1981_lptp: best thing is just to ignore them, and get ops to deal with it. |
| 05:31.12 | dvm1981_lptp | dondelelcaro: These last day many :-( |
| 05:31.26 | nanok | qpxxpq: you can specify multiple ones, there should be no problem |
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| 05:31.36 | dondelelcaro | eigenlambda: clearly not, as I'm looking at 4 of them right now |
| 05:31.45 | dvm1981_lptp | dondelelcaro: Ok; i no more do it :-/ |
| 05:31.47 | qpxxpq | nanok: What is the syntax to list multiple ones? |
| 05:31.52 | eigenlambda | and give me the 'im feeling lucky' link that solved this problem for every other surfer, so they didn't bother to make a buzz about the issue |
| 05:32.00 | dondelelcaro | !info ttf-baekmuk |
| 05:32.07 | dpkg | ttf-baekmuk: (Baekmuk series TrueType fonts), section x11, is optional. Version: 2.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 11235 kB, Installed size: 28060 kB |
| 05:32.10 | dondelelcaro | !info xfonts-baekmuk |
| 05:32.13 | nanok | qpxxpq: cant really remeber. try f2, f3 and so on, there is help on the boot screen |
| 05:32.16 | dpkg | xfonts-baekmuk: (BAEKMUK Korean fonts for X), section x11, is optional. Version: 2.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 7184 kB, Installed size: 8832 kB |
| 05:32.26 | eigenlambda | i have xfonts-baekmuk installed |
| 05:32.27 | dondelelcaro | QED. |
| 05:32.34 | dondelelcaro | eigenlambda: then you have a korean font. |
| 05:32.36 | eigenlambda | oh, ok |
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| 05:33.02 | eigenlambda | so thats why korean characters are nonprinting |
| 05:33.11 | eigenlambda | i guess my problem is solved then |
| 05:33.13 | dondelelcaro | no, that may not be why. |
| 05:33.24 | dondelelcaro | !real question |
| 05:33.24 | dpkg | Please tell us what the real problem is instead of wasting our time asking questions about things that you think are related to the problem. If you don't, you're just wasting your time and ours. [Far too often what you think is related to the problem actually isn't or won't help you solve your problem at all.] |
| 05:33.34 | eigenlambda | mmm |
| 05:33.36 | eigenlambda | ok |
| 05:33.49 | Agra | dondelelcaro: I don't understand |
| 05:34.01 | Stevie-O | over in #perl we call that an XY problem |
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| 05:34.45 | Agra | dondelelcaro: database space in /var/lib/postgres is postgres/postgres, so postmaster runs as user postgres? |
| 05:34.46 | dondelelcaro | Agra: there have been numerous security exploits in the past where the user running the SQL server is able to write to the filesystem because of specific features in SQL. In any case, you don't really care about that, because you should be creating a user which you will use to create all subsequent users and databases using createuser. |
| 05:35.18 | Sequencer | Has anyone ever had the experience of having DRI seem to be loading ok in XFree86.0.log, but glxinfo still says direct rendering: No anyway? |
| 05:35.40 | unstable | Will that gpl/cube fps game go into debian...or not because it's too big? I don't mean on the official cds...but get added to the mirror. |
| 05:35.50 | eigenlambda | so i have xorg installed, im in fluxbox, my LANG=en_US.UTF-8, my LANGUAGE=en_US:en_GB:en, fontconfig is version 2.3.2 ... |
| 05:35.55 | nanok | Sequencer: yes. does that make you feel better and not so alone anymore? :) |
| 05:35.59 | dondelelcaro | unstable: if someone asks for it and packages it, it'll probably be included. |
| 05:36.00 | Sequencer | I'm running sarge with 2.6.12 by the way.. |
| 05:36.12 | Sequencer | nanok: Hmmmm... :) |
| 05:36.24 | nanok | Sequencer: video chipset, etc.. |
| 05:36.38 | unstable | dondelelcaro: cool |
| 05:36.46 | Sequencer | radeon 9100, 2.6.12, XFree 4.3 from sarge.. |
| 05:36.53 | eigenlambda | i don't know what the problem is, really. x fonts make no sense. all i know is that i use freesans everywhere. presumably, that doesn't have cyrillic, but cyrillic displays just fine. presumably, x fails over to a font that has a character if the selected one doesn't |
| 05:36.55 | unstable | dondelelcaro: I'd be suprised if someone didn't rfp it already...but if not I'll add another rfp to the long list |
| 05:36.57 | unix_infidel | what's the firefox plugin for acroread? |
| 05:37.26 | dondelelcaro | eigenlambda: and what are you trying to display? |
| 05:37.32 | Sequencer | My /dev/dri is mode 666.. |
| 05:37.42 | nanok | Sequencer: ok, check if it is supported by the dri project directly (can't remember), and get the drivers from ati if it is not.. |
| 05:37.55 | Sequencer | Yes it is. In fact, I've seen it work on other machines. |
| 05:37.59 | dondelelcaro | eigenlambda: all X can do is try to find a glyph from a font that matches the font you've picked. whether it fails over or not is dependent on what you're doing. |
| 05:38.04 | eigenlambda | 1) ko.wikipedia.org in firefox 2) the hangul section of unicode in gucharmap |
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| 05:38.37 | unstable | dondelelcaro: wow, no one rfp'd it...lol but "gnubik" the rubik's cube for linux game is ita'd...lol I wonder how many people play digital rubik's cube on their debian systems. I need to check the popcon stats for that |
| 05:38.49 | michael117 | How can I find the dependencies of a deb package with dpkg? |
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| 05:38.58 | dondelelcaro | michael117: dpkg-deb -I foopkg; |
| 05:39.09 | dondelelcaro | michael117: or apt-cache show foopkg if you don't have the deb. |
| 05:39.17 | eigenlambda | what the hell, i'll install the ttf-baekmuk package too |
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| 05:39.25 | Sequencer | Is it true you have to make sure you're not loading any kind of DRM type modules from the kernel? I see 'radeon' and 'drm' when I do lsmod. |
| 05:39.36 | eigenlambda | you're right, i didn't know it existed until you told me. |
| 05:39.37 | michael117 | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 05:40.10 | Agra | dondelelcaro: thanks for your help... I'm going to submit a wishlist bug for better documentation on that issue, its really confusing to have system and postgres userids, and to have to be a certain system ID to create first database ID |
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| 05:40.18 | unfo | unstable: i wish popcon stats were listed by apt-cache show |
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| 05:40.24 | Sequencer | I think I remember hearing somewhere that both X and the Linux kernel try to supply DRM modules, and they can fight eachother. |
| 05:40.43 | unstable | unfo: me too |
| 05:40.57 | dondelelcaro | Agra: zless /usr/share/doc/postgresql-7.4/README.Debian.gz |
| 05:41.13 | unfo | :) |
| 05:41.15 | dondelelcaro | Agra: if you find places where it can be improved, file a patch... |
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| 05:43.06 | eigenlambda | in my defense, all i can say is it didn't come up when i tried apt-cache search hangul, and didn't describe itself as korean when i tried apt-cache search fonts. perhaps i should have tried apt-cache search korean. nor was it within the first four pages of results when i was searching for random permutations of 'korean' 'hangul' 'fonts' 'debian' 'xfonts' 'fontconfig' |
| 05:43.50 | qpxxpq | syntaxis: I went thru expert mode and still getting the same freezing error |
| 05:43.52 | Agra | dondelelcaro: ok, thats the spot I didn't look. Since debhelper questions exist for other issues, and the procedure in the upstream docs fails confusingly, I'd say add a debhelper prompt |
| 05:44.14 | qpxxpq | What is a linux os that is similar to debian? |
| 05:44.19 | eigenlambda | what the hell, i just installed ttf-baekmuk, and there's the baekmuk font in fc-list. |
| 05:44.29 | dondelelcaro | Agra: when in doubt, the first thing you should always read is /usr/share/doc/<package>/README.Debian{,gz} |
| 05:44.47 | eigenlambda | why was fontconfig ignoring the 7 megs of xfonts-baekmuk? |
| 05:44.50 | nanok | qpxxpq: that would be not debian. is this a quiz? or a riddle? |
| 05:44.51 | nanok | :) |
| 05:44.58 | qpxxpq | well |
| 05:45.01 | qpxxpq | help me get debian working :D |
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| 05:45.27 | dondelelcaro | qpxxpq: where is it freezing? |
| 05:45.29 | unfo | qpxxpq: ubuntu, kanotix, knoppix, mepis |
| 05:45.35 | eigenlambda | a linux os that is similar to debian is red hat, except that debian has way better package management |
| 05:45.43 | eigenlambda | hehe |
| 05:46.08 | unfo | red hat is approaching catching up to the # of packages we have btw. |
| 05:46.22 | nanok | eigenlambda: yes. and another one is freebsd, except it bares no resemblance whatsoever. but it is somewhat similar.. |
| 05:46.27 | qpxxpq | what about terminal coding style |
| 05:46.30 | unfo | yum is growing quickly, perhaps quicker than apt, i don't know. |
| 05:46.32 | qpxxpq | are they all the same or different? |
| 05:46.39 | unfo | qpxxpq: what is terminal coding style? |
| 05:46.42 | eigenlambda | nanok: pretty much |
| 05:46.56 | qpxxpq | apt-get package etc |
| 05:47.33 | nanok | unfo: who cares. that is not all there is to debian. and, for what it's worth, i will not wait 5 minutes untill yum computes dependencies ... >:| |
| 05:48.24 | nanok | qpxxpq: use google, as i suggested. it is your best bet for now |
| 05:48.32 | qpxxpq | thanks nanok |
| 05:48.40 | unfo | nanok: i agree about there's more to debian - like quality. :) although I think that waiting period is it's checking that the list of available packages in the repo hasn't changed, like an apt-get update. |
| 05:48.51 | nanok | qpxxpq: gg: <laptop make and model> linux|debian |
| 05:49.38 | nanok | unfo: yes. every time. every apt-cache search, and so on. it is a stupid design, imho, or at least not vry inspired |
| 05:49.44 | unix_infidel | is ebay.com slow for anyone else? |
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| 05:50.16 | unstable | j 3 |
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| 05:50.47 | unfo | nanok: it would've been a good desigh if they could've made it take less than a second or so. |
| 05:50.53 | unfo | *design |
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| 05:51.19 | unfo | although every operation is WAY too often - once an hour is fine. |
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| 05:51.37 | eigenlambda | ê±°ê±° ^_^ |
| 05:51.52 | caffei | you tee fate! |
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| 05:52.34 | nanok | unfo: i find runing apt-get update when I see fit very reasonable |
| 05:52.44 | nanok | unfo: not to say "the only decent way".. |
| 05:53.02 | Ashex | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:53.04 | unfo | nanok: me too, but i still hold their design IS more newbie-friendly. |
| 05:53.05 | Ashex | how do I do it as root? |
| 05:53.19 | unfo | Ashex: what kind of network? |
| 05:53.25 | nanok | Ashex: that is not the point |
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| 05:53.45 | Ogre | So I need some help with mounting a couple NTFS partitions. I just converted from Ubuntu, and had my two windows drives automounted... Is there an easy way to do that using deb/KDE |
| 05:53.55 | Ashex | unfo: local network, from windows to linux |
| 05:54.05 | Ashex | I'm using samba |
| 05:54.06 | qpxxpq | nanok: It appears the laptop I have is not very debian compatable. |
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| 05:54.20 | dondelelcaro | qpxxpq: again, where is it freezing? have you tried with noacpi? |
| 05:54.23 | Ashex | so it's smb://ahmed@chipnick/pool to /home/ashex/pool |
| 05:54.25 | nanok | Ashex: you need the "share" on the destination(linux?)box to be rw |
| 05:54.31 | unfo | Ashex: why not change the permissions of your local folder so you can write to it when you're not root? |
| 05:54.44 | qpxxpq | Its freezing where it reboots after initial setting of partitions etc. |
| 05:54.45 | alexscott | qpxxpq, try with noapic nolapic |
| 05:54.51 | eigenlambda | you know what would be cool? to be able to update the manual with new infos you just discovered |
| 05:54.57 | eigenlambda | now your going to tell me theres a wiki? |
| 05:55.05 | unfo | eigenlambda: wiki.debian.org |
| 05:55.07 | qpxxpq | alexscott: What is the syntax for htat? |
| 05:55.10 | nanok | eigenlambda: there is a wiki |
| 05:55.12 | nanok | :P |
| 05:55.13 | Ashex | unfo: because I keep forgetting how to change permissions :S plus it'd be better to know how to do it in command line. |
| 05:55.27 | eigenlambda | wow, when did that happen? |
| 05:55.28 | alexscott | are u using lilo or grub ? |
| 05:55.33 | unfo | Ashex: so use kde to change them, or look it up on google. |
| 05:55.33 | qpxxpq | grub |
| 05:55.42 | alexscott | in the menu.lst |
| 05:55.49 | unfo | Ashex: :-) |
| 05:56.00 | nanok | eigenlambda: dunno (when/if). it just sounded like a lot of fun to point it out |
| 05:56.10 | Ashex | unfo: Bah, google makes me cry |
| 05:56.20 | unfo | !giyf |
| 05:56.20 | dpkg | Google Is Your Friend, or see also: STFW, and see http://fuckinggoogleit.com/ |
| 05:56.34 | nanok | Ashex: mee to. it makes things so easy, it is almost unfair.. |
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| 05:56.48 | qpxxpq | alexscott: how do i get to the menu.lst file? |
| 05:56.55 | eigenlambda | google makes the easy stuff trivial so the hard stuff is possible |
| 05:57.07 | Ashex | nanok: It hasn't really made things easy for me, I generally get really vague tutorials for my results |
| 05:58.10 | nanok | Ashex: well, you do need to get used to it. google is quite a powerfull tool. and it (only) works best in conjunction with your brain ;) |
| 05:58.15 | Ogre | Ashex, i have the same problem |
| 05:58.23 | Ogre | or too technical for my n00b brain |
| 05:58.30 | Ashex | heh |
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| 05:58.44 | andre | hello |
| 05:58.46 | Ogre | ergo my problem with mounting |
| 05:59.08 | alexscott | in the options line |
| 05:59.17 | andre | my problem is with dvd's |
| 05:59.25 | alexscott | just add noapic nolapic acpi=off pci=noacpi |
| 05:59.49 | andre | im a newbie so were do i add that |
| 06:00.18 | andre | sorrry |
| 06:00.40 | alexscott | not for you |
| 06:00.51 | caffei | damn, openbox sure is fast. it's too bad that I'm used to kicker and various kwin features or I'd switch to it on my main display. |
| 06:00.57 | ke6isf | andre: You might want to be a little more specific about your problem. /msg dpkg ask |
| 06:01.10 | caffei | gah, not intended to start a flamewar either, btw. |
| 06:01.33 | eigenlambda | fluxbox 4 eva |
| 06:01.49 | caffei | eigenlambda, it's even faster than that IME :) |
| 06:01.56 | unfo | Google is easy when you run into an error message. You just type the entire error message into Google or googlegroups.com. |
| 06:02.17 | andre | the players wont play my dvds of wich are bought |
| 06:02.25 | nanok | caffei: it is nice. other interesting ones are fvwm, xfce, to name but a few |
| 06:02.29 | eigenlambda | it would need to be a significant speed boost to convince me to give up all my settings |
| 06:02.33 | Ogre | you can buy DVDs? |
| 06:02.33 | nanok | s/few/two :) |
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| 06:03.07 | caffei | nanok, hrm, I should try out a recent xfce, but I was always turned off by its looks in the past. |
| 06:03.19 | andre | it palys the first 10 seconds and then stops then says need libdvdcss |
| 06:03.38 | nanok | caffei: its looks now are really something .. |
| 06:03.41 | Ogre | apt-cache search libdvdcss? |
| 06:03.42 | andre | yes i buy some |
| 06:04.08 | caffei | nanok, it doesn't bear a disturbing resemblance to gnome 1 any more? ;^) |
| 06:04.12 | unfo | In Soviet Russia, DVD watches *you*. |
| 06:04.21 | nanok | caffei: fvwm is on the other extreme: you can do most anything that would cross your mind with/to it, but you have to be..technically inclined ;) |
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| 06:04.26 | andre | you still can buy those still,im an old guy |
| 06:04.41 | caffei | nanok, I'm technically inclined, but not patient enough to figure out fvwm theming :D |
| 06:04.50 | nanok | caffei: no. it even kicks kde's ass, as far as looks are concerned, if you ask me.. |
| 06:05.07 | caffei | nanok, hrm, I'll definitely check it out |
| 06:06.03 | nanok | caffei: i know. it took me quite a while to get to it too. i returned to it when i realised i was to hooked on what it can offer, and the speed. i only had to do it once. now it works as i want it, end of headache ;) |
| 06:06.14 | Ogre | so anyone got a few minutes to help me figure out why i'm so retarded with mounting? |
| 06:06.30 | andre | i had problems with installing sarge first it didnt install the xwindows so no kde |
| 06:06.41 | andre | then now there is no sound |
| 06:06.43 | nanok | wtf is wrong with jabber.org's jsabber server lately. it pisses me off.. :( |
| 06:06.57 | nanok | !tel Ogre about ask |
| 06:07.02 | nanok | !tell Ogre about ask |
| 06:07.16 | andre | im getting flustered |
| 06:07.18 | deadcat | nanok: instant messangers PMS'ing lately.. |
| 06:07.24 | unfo | nanok: i personally use google's jabber server. comes free w/ all google talk invites. |
| 06:07.25 | Ogre | i did ask :( so i figured i'd try being cute |
| 06:07.27 | Ogre | :D |
| 06:07.28 | andre | i should go to ubuntu |
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| 06:08.17 | Ogre | i tried "mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /media/hdd" but as a normal user i can't read the drive |
| 06:09.05 | nanok | Ogre: you have to setup fstab to be able to mount as a normal user. the comand you stated above only works as root |
| 06:09.16 | Ogre | kk |
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| 06:18.41 | Ogre | while trying to save my changes to fstab via kate, i get the error "The document could not be saved, as it was not possible to write to file:/etc/fstab ... Check that you have write access to this file or that enough disk space is available" |
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| 06:18.55 | Ogre | I just checked, it's at 775, and I have enough space |
| 06:19.12 | nanok | Ogre: you have to edit as root |
| 06:19.29 | nanok | (you did just say it is 775..) |
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| 06:20.34 | unstable | Ogre: "apt-get install sux" then as non-root type "sux root kate /etc/fstab" and put in your root pass. |
| 06:20.48 | Ogre | kk |
| 06:20.59 | unstable | But I would just use vi, but do what you want. chmod +x /etc/fstab if you want an unsecure system. |
| 06:21.09 | Ogre | erroring out |
| 06:21.13 | unstable | Then everyone and anyone can edit your fstab |
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| 06:22.11 | Ogre | the error basically is telling me kate can't start in the gui |
| 06:22.48 | unstable | Ogre: Did you type "sux root kate /etc/fstab"? |
| 06:22.55 | Ogre | yes |
| 06:23.05 | Stevie-O | maybe kate's pissed cuz you said she sux |
| 06:23.17 | Ogre | na, she was acting funny before i told her she sux |
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| 06:24.00 | darkness_ | What time is 22:30 UTC >>>GMT? |
| 06:24.11 | Ogre | then i get "Mutex destroy failure: Device or resource busy" |
| 06:24.15 | nanok | Ogre: this is normal behaviour. chicks are like that. |
| 06:24.30 | Ogre | they either pout or throw things |
| 06:24.38 | Ogre | i'll take pouting over throwing things anyday |
| 06:25.59 | darkness_ | Yeah pouting is fine, long as it doesn't last for more than a day. |
| 06:26.31 | Ogre | after a day it's even easier to ignore though |
| 06:27.50 | unstable | How does the new queue work... mplayer has been on ftp master's new queue for 2 months...what has to happen for him to dump it to unstable? |
| 06:27.51 | jm_ | unstable: they have to carefully review it, legal aspects and all |
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| 06:28.42 | unstable | jm_: I thought that's what everyone has been doing for the last couple years |
| 06:29.08 | jm_ | unstable: so far the concensus was it's non-free, so that's why more work is put into it I guess |
| 06:29.33 | jm_ | consensus too |
| 06:29.58 | unstable | jm_: You have a link for the progress of the legal review thus far? |
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| 06:30.16 | jm_ | unstable: not really no, check mailing lists I guess |
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| 06:31.28 | unstable | jm_: If I use marillat in my sources, and debian adds mplayer what will happen? |
| 06:31.41 | unstable | jm_: i already have mplayer installed, but if debian releases a new version will it install that? |
| 06:31.51 | unstable | And will my libcss/w32codecs stuff not work? |
| 06:32.04 | jm_ | unstable: depends on versions strings, and who knows what will happen with codecs, that's even more problematic package |
| 06:32.05 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 06:32.27 | jm_ | unstable: it might not work, mplayer has (or can have, maybe it's optional) a check to verify release date for codecs |
| 06:32.52 | unstable | jm_: I just want lives to work... screenshots here > http://lives.sourceforge.net/index.php?do=screenshots |
| 06:33.17 | unstable | Which is dependent on mplayer pretty much. And I'm too lazy to apt-get install gtk*-dev and then ./configure; make; make install; |
| 06:33.24 | darkness_ | Say i'm after installing mplayer a the likes yet get not installable with mozilla-mplayer and xmms xmm-player? |
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| 06:34.50 | omi | Hello all, what utility can I glue together (as a script preferably) 100s of .au sound files? |
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| 06:35.42 | SlammerXP | omi: cat |
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| 06:36.18 | jm_ | omi: sox |
| 06:36.23 | omi | SlammerXP, I know about cat , but won't header get messed up? |
| 06:36.37 | tarzeau | omi: yes they will |
| 06:36.44 | SlammerXP | au files have headers? |
| 06:36.46 | omi | jm_, ahh sox, I heard of sox long time ago |
| 06:36.49 | omi | I thought so |
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| 06:37.14 | SimonRaven | cat -v some.au |
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| 06:37.35 | jm_ | or dog other.au! |
| 06:37.46 | omi | dog? |
| 06:37.54 | SimonRaven | dondelelcaro: wth? 01:32 --> dondelelcaro (n=don@archimedes.ucr.edu) has quit (Remote closed the connection) |
| 06:38.01 | jm_ | dog is enhanced version of cat |
| 06:38.06 | omi | hahha |
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| 06:39.06 | omi | I'll try sox |
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| 06:39.54 | dpkg | rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 06:40.16 | SimonRaven | mmm trout |
| 06:40.24 | unfo | why did dpkg say that? |
| 06:40.26 | jm_ | dpkg: ping |
| 06:40.37 | SimonRaven | it's laggy |
| 06:41.00 | jm_ | unfo: pay attention, the regular popcon abuser asked about it! |
| 06:41.01 | dvm1981_lptp | rAz_: It's you? |
| 06:41.27 | rAz_ | yep it's me ;) |
| 06:41.31 | rAz_ | hello mate |
| 06:41.33 | rAz_ | hello all |
| 06:41.40 | SimonRaven | would be nice to get out into the bush for a while, even now |
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| 06:41.56 | dvm1981_lptp | rAz_: And the computer of you're friend ? Is he working again? |
| 06:41.58 | jm_ | not here, it's still below 0 :) |
| 06:42.18 | rAz_ | dvm1981_lptp, sure .. i finish it the last night |
| 06:42.31 | rAz_ | :) |
| 06:42.52 | dvm1981_lptp | rAz_: So he is now really happy to know that his dead computer live again :-) |
| 06:43.04 | SimonRaven | jm_: -5 atm |
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| 06:43.14 | rAz_ | dvm1981_lptp, haha yep =) he is |
| 06:43.17 | dpkg | pong |
| 06:43.32 | SimonRaven | holy |
| 06:43.47 | SimonRaven | ~3 minutes |
| 06:43.54 | dvm1981_lptp | dpkg: Talk you alone, my bot ? |
| 06:44.06 | SimonRaven | 01:40 jm_ : dpkg: ping |
| 06:44.12 | SimonRaven | 01:43 dpkg : pong |
| 06:44.14 | jm_ | SimonRaven: we haven't had so much snow for years, and the number of days with snow has been beaten only once or twice in the past |
| 06:44.16 | unfo | dpkg: Your eyes are as cute as a sweet pickled toad |
| 06:44.17 | dpkg | unfo: okay |
| 06:44.20 | unfo | haha |
| 06:44.32 | dvm1981_lptp | An missing line here then :-/ |
| 06:44.32 | SimonRaven | dpkg: forget your eyes |
| 06:44.43 | unfo | oops |
| 06:44.55 | unfo | SimonRaven: thx |
| 06:44.57 | SimonRaven | jm_: we've had below average :( |
| 06:45.47 | jm_ | SimonRaven: I wish we did ;) |
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| 06:46.52 | SimonRaven | send some over :) |
| 06:47.14 | jm_ | yeah I just asked some feller from India to send some of their 31 degrees to us last week |
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| 06:48.02 | dvm1981_lptp | jm_: The sky here are on the floor, make an copy for my? Is GPL :-/ ? |
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| 06:48.55 | dpkg | SimonRaven: i forgot your eyes |
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| 06:49.43 | jm_ | dvm1981_lptp: as in low clouds? we have that too :( |
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| 06:49.57 | SimonRaven | heh |
| 06:50.18 | dvm1981_lptp | jm_: Yes, it's what i would mean, here in Belguim, no good weather now :-/ |
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| 06:51.18 | NIC1138 | low clouds? Watch out for Lakitus!... |
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| 06:55.57 | Chiko_Medina | any program read mail from console, support pop3 and imap ? |
| 06:56.04 | jm_ | yes |
| 06:56.10 | dvm1981_lptp | mutt |
| 06:56.21 | Chiko_Medina | mutt support pop3 and imap ? |
| 06:56.27 | jm_ | then there are tools like fetchmail |
| 06:56.33 | jmd | Chiko_Medina, Yes. |
| 06:56.47 | jm_ | why don't you run 'apt-cache show mutt' and find out? |
| 06:57.13 | Chiko_Medina | ok |
| 06:57.16 | Chiko_Medina | thanks |
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| 06:58.49 | unix_infidel | hey guys i have a windows 'Shared Folder' that i'm trying to access with smb4k and i cant seem to access it. |
| 06:58.56 | unix_infidel | windows firewall is disabled, i have no firewall on this box. |
| 06:59.28 | nanok | unix_infidel: smb://ip_of_windows_box |
| 06:59.31 | dvm1981_lptp | unix_infidel: smb://computername ?? |
| 06:59.34 | nanok | unix_infidel: in konqueror |
| 06:59.37 | nanok | unix_infidel: ? |
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| 07:00.15 | unix_infidel | nanok: smb4k |
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| 07:00.27 | dvm1981_lptp | unix_infidel: Or 'smb/:<ENTER>' |
| 07:00.35 | dvm1981_lptp | oeps |
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| 07:00.42 | dvm1981_lptp | unix_infidel: Or 'smb:/<ENTER>' |
| 07:00.44 | unix_infidel | ok, new error. |
| 07:01.00 | unix_infidel | smbmnt mus tbe installed suid root for direct user mounts (1000,1000) smbmnt failed:1 |
| 07:01.16 | unix_infidel | i get that error when i try to mount a share do i have to suid the smbmnt binary? |
| 07:01.22 | playo | unix_infidel,nanok,dvm1981_lptp and myself has been talking for last 2 minutes |
| 07:02.09 | nanok | unix_infidel: smbclient -L ip_of_windows_box |
| 07:02.10 | chance2105 | Is there such a thing similar to encase ( http://www.encase.com/products/ef_index.asp ) in a gpl'ed linux program? I need something that can pull out deleted files from a FAT partition. |
| 07:02.17 | unix_infidel | nanok: i got the windows box to connect, lol, sry. |
| 07:02.26 | unix_infidel | i just cant get it to mount with smb4k |
| 07:03.08 | nanok | unix_infidel: ok. leave smb4k out for now, try with konqueror as sugested several times |
| 07:03.15 | nanok | for simplicities sake |
| 07:03.43 | nanok | i need sleep, i am begining to spell like crap |
| 07:03.44 | unix_infidel | nanok: yea i can do it with konq, but for some reason not with smb4k |
| 07:04.20 | unix_infidel | do i need to suid the smbmnt binaries? |
| 07:04.20 | nanok | unix_infidel: ok, are you really that hooked on smb4k? just use konqueror. it's there, it works, and so on |
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| 07:04.31 | unix_infidel | its the same thing i suppose sure. |
| 07:04.36 | nanok | unix_infidel: no, you dont need to. and it is better not to |
| 07:04.52 | unix_infidel | ewww, 350k xfer over wireless :( |
| 07:04.57 | SimonRaven | unix_infidel: same thing as what? do you even know what that means? |
| 07:05.10 | unix_infidel | SimonRaven: no i mean it accomplishes the same thing |
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| 07:05.46 | SimonRaven | @wb debhelper |
| 07:05.46 | ravenbird | Welcome back debhelper, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chaos. |
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| 07:06.49 | unix_infidel | lol |
| 07:06.52 | SimonRaven | fyi, it mean set uid, in this case set uid root. you don't need that |
| 07:07.04 | fr33mind | I would like to convert ext2 partition to ext3... someone can tell me the procedure? |
| 07:07.22 | epssy | indeed, I wouldn't mind knowing how to convert ext2 to ext3 |
| 07:07.29 | unix_infidel | SimonRaven: no i know that, but fixing the binary by setting uid to use smb4k would accomplish the same functionality as using konq. |
| 07:07.35 | unix_infidel | not have the same effect on the system. |
| 07:07.56 | SimonRaven | dpkg: ext2->ext3 |
| 07:07.57 | dpkg | To upgrade an ext2 partition to ext3 simply involves adding a journal. 'tune2fs -j /dev/hda1' (where hda1 is the partition you want to change to ext3). Don't forget to change /etc/fstab to specify ext3 for the partition. Be sure to verify that your kernel has ext3 support (cat /proc/filesystems) |
| 07:08.07 | jmd | fr33mind: tune2fs |
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| 07:08.19 | SimonRaven | unix_infidel: ok |
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| 07:09.15 | unix_infidel | SimonRaven: thanks for the clarification. |
| 07:09.24 | unix_infidel | w00t, up to 400k xfer over wireless. |
| 07:09.50 | unix_infidel | anyone just get spammed by agent? |
| 07:10.04 | SimonRaven | no |
| 07:10.09 | SimonRaven | just did |
| 07:10.11 | unix_infidel | any ops in here? |
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| 07:10.20 | SimonRaven | ... |
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| 07:10.47 | SimonRaven | @ops agentofbsd (i=agentofb@61.14.134.9) spamming exploits |
| 07:10.48 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, azeem, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: agentofbsd (i=agentofb@61.14.134.9) spamming exploits |
| 07:11.13 | unix_infidel | SimonRaven: what's that? |
| 07:11.20 | fr33mind | thanks! |
| 07:11.27 | SimonRaven | what's what? |
| 07:12.01 | unix_infidel | what you just did, with the @ops line. |
| 07:12.28 | nanok | unix_infidel: it is voodoo. calling the spirits of the all mighty ops ;) |
| 07:12.30 | epssy | thanks SimonRaven |
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| 07:12.35 | SimonRaven | called the ops. to be used in case of need only. left a message too |
| 07:12.44 | fr33mind | how much space ext3 journal take? |
| 07:12.53 | SimonRaven | depends |
| 07:13.12 | unix_infidel | lol, so #debian is operated like a cult :P sorta interesting i suppose. |
| 07:13.48 | nanok | unix_infidel: it is not a cult. what a vulgar name. it is a religion in its own right.. |
| 07:13.52 | nanok | :P |
| 07:13.55 | unix_infidel | h:) |
| 07:13.58 | SimonRaven | heh |
| 07:14.18 | unix_infidel | can k3b burn a .cue / .bin files? |
| 07:14.41 | SimonRaven | there's an app for that |
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| 07:14.52 | fr33mind | how much space ext3 journal take on a total: 3158 used: 1848 avail: 1150 62% /home |
| 07:14.55 | SimonRaven | don't remember what |
| 07:15.01 | unix_infidel | lol. not what i asked. |
| 07:15.05 | SimonRaven | fr33mind: you'll be ok |
| 07:15.10 | SimonRaven | dunno |
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| 07:15.48 | fr33mind | SimonRaven: on a mail server... (Maildir in /home...) |
| 07:15.57 | SimonRaven | i know it wasn't, was saying that 'cause it'd be easier to just run a small binary instead of running a multi-MB in RAM one |
| 07:17.07 | fr33mind | my /var is too big and my /home too small :( (14Gig left on my /var) |
| 07:17.43 | madona | Hi, does anybody know if jpegtran corp generate a subimage with loss or lossles? |
| 07:17.48 | dvm1981_lptp | unix_infidel: There are also tool to convert that, try an search 'apt-cache search <KEY_WORDs>' |
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| 07:21.17 | SimonRaven | yeh, sorry, that's what i meant. i should go to sleep ... |
| 07:21.37 | unix_infidel | lol, when i try to burn it using k3b i get an unsable image error. |
| 07:21.56 | SimonRaven | you'll need to convert it then |
| 07:22.02 | unix_infidel | to iso> |
| 07:22.07 | Mr_Goth | goodnight all :) |
| 07:22.09 | SimonRaven | yeh |
| 07:22.18 | nanok | unix_infidel: bchunk - CD image format conversion from bin/cue to iso/cdr |
| 07:22.35 | nanok | unix_infidel: all in an apt-cache searche's work |
| 07:22.38 | nanok | ;) |
| 07:22.43 | dvm1981_lptp | unix_infidel: ^^^ |
| 07:22.47 | unix_infidel | has to be a simpler way. |
| 07:23.05 | unix_infidel | ill give it a try though. |
| 07:23.06 | rAz_ | how can i fix my resolv.conf ? |
| 07:23.26 | Phated | sensible-editor /etc/resolv.conf |
| 07:23.35 | rAz_ | it 's updated each 5 Minutes with my freebox ( dsl router ) |
| 07:23.44 | dvm1981_lptp | rAz_: I need to change of username, can not talk prv with this one ... |
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| 07:24.02 | rAz_ | ok dvm1981 :) |
| 07:24.37 | unix_infidel | dvm1981: so just bchunk nameofbinfile nameofcuefile? |
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| 07:25.04 | SimonRaven | what's so hard about 3 words? |
| 07:26.03 | dvm1981 | unix_infidel: 'bchunk --help' |
| 07:26.38 | dvm1981 | unix_infidel: or man bchunk :-) Look a bit that learn you some good things ;-) Learning to search |
| 07:26.46 | unix_infidel | lol. |
| 07:26.53 | unix_infidel | now how to mount an iso file. |
| 07:27.00 | unix_infidel | mount -o pathtoiso.iso? |
| 07:27.09 | nanok | unix_infidel: mount -o loop |
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| 07:27.17 | SimonRaven | no, those you have to loop mount |
| 07:27.19 | nanok | unix_infidel: and man mount, as usual ;) |
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| 07:27.50 | unix_infidel | mount -o loop pathtoiso.iso? |
| 07:28.01 | jm_ | cdrdao can burn cue/bin files |
| 07:28.06 | unix_infidel | jm_: yea i got that :) |
| 07:28.13 | unix_infidel | i'm trying it their way. |
| 07:29.06 | unix_infidel | nvm :) |
| 07:30.24 | unix_infidel | new question for yall, i need to figure out how to get the DynamicClocks option in xorg.conf for my dynamic scaling of my GPU on this laptop to take effect after coming out of Standby / Sleep mode? |
| 07:30.29 | unix_infidel | i've tried googling but cant figure it out. |
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| 07:41.06 | style | Movie Sex Gays And Lesbian http://www.grooor.com/up_ar/ar/x.exe |
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| 07:42.50 | rAz_ | how can i fix data in the resolv.conf ? |
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| 07:43.23 | SlammerXP | rAz_: "man resolv.conf" |
| 07:43.36 | dvm1981 | dondelelcaro: ?? |
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| 07:43.44 | SlammerXP | rAz_: most people find using an editor to be the easiest way |
| 07:44.01 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 07:44.08 | unfo | hi all, anyone know why tetex-tiny still isn't in debian? |
| 07:44.11 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@ask13-218.qualitynet.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 07:44.14 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 07:44.15 | Acid`X | dvm1981, use /ignore =P |
| 07:44.16 | dvm1981 | dondelelcaro: ;-) |
| 07:44.39 | rAz_ | lol |
| 07:44.41 | rAz_ | u joke ? :P |
| 07:44.49 | mike4479 | Hi there guys is there anyway i can make this command execute on boot "dhclient wlan0" ? |
| 07:44.54 | unfo | i use viper... really |
| 07:44.56 | dvm1981 | Acid`X: I try the basic skill :-) |
| 07:45.06 | dondelelcaro | unfo: what's special about tetex-tiny as opposed to tetex-base? |
| 07:45.12 | unfo | dondelelcaro: it's smaller :) |
| 07:45.14 | kevix | unfo: i am aware of 2 version of tex in debian tetex and now IIRC tex live |
| 07:45.14 | Acid`X | dvm1981, =) |
| 07:45.40 | unfo | dondelelcaro: i'm low on space and repartition soon, and also tetex-tiny is faster to download |
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| 07:46.25 | kevix | unfo: there is a tex mailing list for debian. that would be a good place to ask. not sure if there is a #debian-tex |
| 07:47.16 | dondelelcaro | unfo: the cygwin package looks to be missing all sorts of things... plus, I'm really not sure why you'd want tetex-tiny as opposed to just normal tetex... |
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| 07:47.53 | dvm1981 | So try to supporting rAz_ is there an manner to fix an resolv.conf while the ISP modify it every 300 sec. There are an need to add an second dns line in that file; but the ISP modify it every 300sec |
| 07:48.22 | SJr | where do I begin with swsusp, and standby not working. My machine won't boot after I try to start up again. |
| 07:48.34 | ivan | i can't view helvetic , fixed, ... fonts |
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| 07:48.49 | ivan | i have sid |
| 07:48.56 | ivan | any idea? |
| 07:49.08 | unfo | dondelelcaro: it's small enough that it could be marked as a Required or Normal package. |
| 07:49.20 | unfo | dondelelcaro: unlike tetex-base. :) |
| 07:49.25 | dondelelcaro | unfo: uh... that'd never happen |
| 07:49.49 | unfo | not even for for tetex-*tiny*? |
| 07:50.05 | dondelelcaro | no, because there's no way that tetex should ever be required. |
| 07:50.08 | mike4479 | Hi there guys is there anyway i can make this command execute on boot "dhclient wlan0" ? |
| 07:50.18 | dondelelcaro | (or at least, not unless you're installing something that Depends: tetex) |
| 07:50.25 | karsten | Something's got my parport0 bot and hothered: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2085 |
| 07:50.39 | dondelelcaro | mike4479: auto wlan0; and iface wlan0 inet dhcp; in your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:50.43 | unfo | ok, or Normal then. :) |
| 07:50.44 | dondelelcaro | mike4479: man 5 interfaces; for details |
| 07:50.53 | ivan | someone know which is the packet? |
| 07:51.07 | dondelelcaro | unfo: tetex-base is optional, which is pretty much a normal Priority |
| 07:51.09 | mike4479 | Dondelelcare: thnaks |
| 07:51.27 | mike4479 | Dondelelcaro: thnaks |
| 07:51.33 | unfo | :) |
| 07:51.34 | dvm1981 | hoelq :-) |
| 07:51.37 | dvm1981 | hi hi |
| 07:51.57 | dondelelcaro | (and there's no way that a TeX system would ever be standard) |
| 07:52.26 | kevix | dondelelcaro: look what happen when someone suggested python-minimal x-) |
| 07:52.27 | unfo | Original Knuth TeX plus metafont plus plain.tex is absolutely tiny. |
| 07:52.45 | unfo | That plus LaTeX is small. That could be standard. |
| 07:53.01 | ivan | fontconfig don't ask me for bitmaped fonts |
| 07:53.09 | ivan | ??? |
| 07:53.13 | kevix | unfo: there is nothing stopping someone (or you) from getting help from debian-mentors or debian-women to create such a package |
| 07:53.34 | jm_ | ivan: change priorioty of questions it asks about |
| 07:53.43 | weasel00 | karsten : that sounds bad :\ |
| 07:53.48 | dondelelcaro | unfo: well, feel free to work with the tetex team if you're interested in a smaller tetex package; if you feel that it's useful, I don't think they would have an issue with making it more fined grained |
| 07:53.54 | unfo | kevix: hmmm! maybe one day, after wikigrabber is finished. |
| 07:54.20 | dondelelcaro | karsten: until you trigger the lp0 on fire message, it's not truely borked. |
| 07:54.35 | kevix | dondelelcaro: I thought that is why norbert p. wanted to add tex-live |
| 07:55.17 | kevix | unfo: developers are funny people x-) |
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| 07:55.46 | dondelelcaro | kevix: texlive is way, way, way bigger than tetex |
| 07:55.55 | dondelelcaro | texlive has something like half of CTAN in it |
| 07:56.07 | kevix | dondelelcaro: ok. but is it not more fine-grained? |
| 07:56.12 | dondelelcaro | (well, maybe half of the marginally useful bits, anyway) |
| 07:56.37 | dondelelcaro | kevix: dunno, I haven't seen the final package list for it |
| 07:57.46 | unix_infidel | probably one of those cool apple ones i see that people put on their black thinkpads. |
| 07:58.08 | unfo | unix_infidel: nah, you just need a really good wallpaper. |
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| 07:59.08 | weasel00 | unix_infidel : be original.. get a clear cast made for it =) |
| 07:59.34 | unix_infidel | weasel00: that's just like, hey guys i'm an ultramodder nerd. |
| 07:59.43 | kevix | weasel00: anyone from transparent aluminium! |
| 07:59.52 | unix_infidel | if you think this is nerdy, you are gonna wanna see my desktop(s) |
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| 08:01.05 | weasel00 | unix_infidel, kevix : http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/01/09/strip_out_the_fans/ czech it out |
| 08:01.07 | unfo | unix_infidel: http://www.easylinuxcds.com/wallpapers/thumbs7.shtml - especially notice the greenfield one 2 rows above the bottom-right one. |
| 08:01.07 | zu22 | anyone know what 03:00 in EST is in UTC? |
| 08:01.18 | kevix | tarzeau: I copied the world.wld file from the io.d.o website and that worked. also some of the screens are 'blue' so I changed then to 'none' |
| 08:01.22 | unix_infidel | unfo: if i cared enough, i'd give you a screenshot. |
| 08:01.27 | unix_infidel | i like my desktop just fine thanks :) |
| 08:01.38 | unfo | shows Tux shooting a flaming Windows logo and says "Linux: Always on Target". :) |
| 08:01.45 | kevix | zu22: EST (I am there) is GMT - 5 |
| 08:02.06 | unix_infidel | zu22: dont PM users without asking their permission first. |
| 08:02.09 | unfo | whatever, im going. gnight all. |
| 08:02.16 | zu22 | kevix: ok so that means the DPL talk (scheduled to begin at 23:30 UTC) won't begin for another 16.5 hours? |
| 08:02.19 | djpowder | night unfo :) |
| 08:02.44 | kevix | zu22: you can ask in #debian-devel for clarification |
| 08:02.52 | zu22 | kevix: ok thx |
| 08:03.05 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Any suggestions? |
| 08:03.08 | djpowder | hello all, i am planning on installing debian tomorrow and i had a few questions |
| 08:03.09 | karsten | dondelelcaro: ... and what do I win? |
| 08:03.18 | SlammerXP | djpowder: ask away |
| 08:03.22 | karsten | weasel00: It's repeating every few seconds. Only just noticed it. |
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| 08:03.34 | kevix | karsten: any extra parport cards? |
| 08:03.39 | weasel00 | karsten : ? |
| 08:04.04 | djpowder | well i plan on installing the base first with the netinstall, and to install x, it's apt-get install x-window-system-core correct? |
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| 08:04.08 | karsten | kevix: Nope. |
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| 08:04.37 | kevix | karsten: is that a device that can use another port like printer - if so, switch to a non-parport version? |
| 08:05.22 | zu22 | karsten: Milk got? (-: |
| 08:05.37 | kevix | djpowder: that will get basic X but no display mananger (kdm,gdm) and not desktop envinment(kde,gnome,xfce) |
| 08:05.42 | zu22 | karsten: your linuxmafia.com site is awesome resource thx~ |
| 08:06.03 | unix_infidel | 6http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=2824 |
| 08:06.07 | unix_infidel | omfg, who the eff would buy that? |
| 08:06.20 | djpowder | kevix: ok, so after that i should apt-get install kde? |
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| 08:07.11 | weasel00 | unix_infidel : did you see the article on the new linux/win wrist computer? |
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| 08:08.19 | unix_infidel | weasel00: URL? slashdotted? |
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| 08:08.43 | weasel00 | unix_infidel : ill look for it again.. gimme a sec.. and that notebook you linked.. *shiver* lol |
| 08:08.44 | tarzeau | kevix: the gameplay sucks badly! |
| 08:08.57 | tarzeau | kevix: but hey i've got brutalchess and briquolo packaged, and dd2 is coming soon |
| 08:09.15 | kevix | djpowder: if you install x-window-system you get twm which is a basic but good window manager |
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| 08:09.34 | nanok | oh yes. a transmeta pc. i thought they were out for good |
| 08:09.35 | nanok | cool |
| 08:09.49 | kevix | tarzeau: well it just pointless fun with moles.... |
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| 08:10.34 | hsikrut | i get this error why trying to close ftp |
| 08:10.35 | tarzeau | kevix: do you enjoy it? |
| 08:10.35 | hsikrut | illest@3[~]$ kill -9 5629 |
| 08:10.36 | hsikrut | bash: kill: (5629) - Operation not permitted |
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| 08:10.53 | tarzeau | kevix: i think i'll not maintain it, until playing it is more fun (i wasn't able to jump like in usual jumpnrun games) |
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| 08:11.16 | kevix | tarzeau: well it was some r&r . |
| 08:11.25 | djpowder | kevix: thanks i'll give twm a shot :) |
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| 08:11.46 | tarzeau | kevix: got fast 3d opengl? |
| 08:11.54 | kevix | tarzeau: no prob. I'll keep it around for a month and then prob. del. it. |
| 08:12.02 | weasel00 | unix_infidel : found it... http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS5812502455.html |
| 08:12.30 | kevix | tarzeau: I got a riva2 nv card. but using x 7.0 go I dont have fast working until I fiddle with this. |
| 08:12.44 | tarzeau | kevix: if you do, tell me... |
| 08:13.26 | kevix | tarzeau: I'm sure when it hits unstable, It should work. |
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| 08:14.15 | unix_infidel | weasel00: that's a WATCH? |
| 08:14.28 | unix_infidel | damn that thing is gonna burn my wrist if i run AA or ET on it :P |
| 08:14.54 | weasel00 | unix_infidel : imagine the wrist computers they used in star trek: ng... |
| 08:15.25 | enveezee | heh |
| 08:15.33 | unix_infidel | looks like a buncha hype. |
| 08:16.05 | weasel00 | still in development.. but the promise is there... -) *looks for his checkbook* |
| 08:16.20 | kevix | unix_infidel: that watch was a few years ago... who know what they have now! |
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| 08:17.55 | enveezee | kevix, they realized the idea sucked and have up |
| 08:17.55 | hsikrut | HELLO |
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| 08:18.05 | hsikrut | how do i remove ftp server i have running ? |
| 08:18.07 | dvm1981 | hsikrut: You need to do it as root user |
| 08:18.14 | hsikrut | yes i did |
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| 08:18.18 | unix_infidel | holy snap, guess who discovered color schemas in gvim :) |
| 08:18.19 | Shadda | Gluttony, you there? |
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| 08:19.17 | dvm1981 | hsikrut: There are an $ and not an # |
| 08:19.18 | hsikrut | root@3[etc]# find -name ftp |
| 08:19.18 | hsikrut | ./alternatives/ftp |
| 08:19.18 | hsikrut | its an # |
| 08:19.18 | kevix | unix_infidel: vim has a had those for like forever.... |
| 08:19.22 | dvm1981 | hsikrut: It was not that you have say, to kill that one there ... that i mean |
| 08:19.39 | unix_infidel | kevix: lol, guess woh JUST discovered. |
| 08:19.46 | unix_infidel | i use gvim when in X. |
| 08:19.55 | hsikrut | speak english |
| 08:20.02 | kevix | unix_infidel: that is why it is a great IDE. |
| 08:20.09 | SJr | Is there an easy way to share an X application between machines |
| 08:20.13 | SJr | and don't say VNC |
| 08:20.26 | karsten | zu22: Not mine 'cept what's under ~karsten there. Thank Rick. |
| 08:20.27 | kevix | SJr: x forwarding? |
| 08:20.33 | dvm1981 | SJr: SSH |
| 08:20.36 | SJr | no |
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| 08:20.39 | zu22 | karsten: ah ok :D |
| 08:20.40 | SJr | I mean so that I can move one instance |
| 08:20.41 | karsten | kevix: Nothing's using parallel. That's why I'm confused. |
| 08:20.44 | SJr | between computers |
| 08:20.46 | SJr | without restarting |
| 08:20.48 | unix_infidel | SJr: screen. |
| 08:20.52 | SJr | yes |
| 08:20.52 | unix_infidel | and xforwarding :) |
| 08:20.53 | dvm1981 | SJr: Tichtvnc :-) |
| 08:20.53 | SJr | like screen |
| 08:20.54 | karsten | kevix: 'fuser' shows nothing as well. |
| 08:20.59 | SJr | WAIT |
| 08:21.03 | SJr | unix_infidel say that again |
| 08:21.06 | SJr | how does that work? |
| 08:21.12 | djpowder | would you guys recommend using sarge or etch? |
| 08:21.17 | SJr | you mean |
| 08:21.17 | SJr | no |
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| 08:21.20 | SJr | that couldn't work |
| 08:21.21 | unix_infidel | SJr: lol, same as using screen and xforwarding. |
| 08:21.25 | SJr | you mean |
| 08:21.25 | kevix | karsten: you mean you are getting an error (from kernel) regarding a device that you are not using? |
| 08:21.29 | SJr | hold on |
| 08:21.40 | dvm1981 | !tell SJr about enter |
| 08:21.41 | unix_infidel | how about you stop scrolling first :) |
| 08:21.45 | unix_infidel | LOL |
| 08:21.51 | hsikrut | how do i find out which app connected to the tcp connection ? |
| 08:21.59 | kevix | hsikrut: netstat |
| 08:22.04 | hsikrut | ? |
| 08:22.07 | hsikrut | i said APP |
| 08:22.37 | tarzeau | does dpkg-dev depends on perl5? |
| 08:22.37 | hsikrut | netstat shows the active connections and time outs etc etc |
| 08:22.42 | SJr | You know its ironic, in IRC people want me to use Enter less, and in development people want me to use enter more. |
| 08:23.06 | tarzeau | yes (in stable), but perl5 is not installed... |
| 08:23.09 | Shadowcat | BOTH of them |
| 08:23.20 | weasel00 | SJr : those are two different worlds =) |
| 08:23.34 | rAz_ | resolv.conf ip overwriting problem solved : using supersede in dhclient.conf :) |
| 08:23.45 | rAz_ | thanks all |
| 08:23.48 | kevix | hsikrut: you find out what port is in use and find what app uses that port |
| 08:23.56 | SJr | unix_infidel hmmm that doesn't seem to work. I tried sharing a screen session but the application only starts on one. |
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| 08:23.59 | hsikrut | no shit. |
| 08:24.16 | unix_infidel | how do i save color and font settings with gvim? |
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| 08:24.28 | rAz_ | unix_infidel, .vimrc |
| 08:24.32 | SJr | what do you mean hsikrut? |
| 08:24.39 | hsikrut | dw u stupid jews. |
| 08:24.40 | rAz_ | unix_infidel, in ur home directory |
| 08:24.42 | kevix | unix_infidel: you mean save 'syn on' |
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| 08:25.17 | unix_infidel | kevix: no i mean font and color settings for gvim, like color schemes and font schemes. |
| 08:25.30 | weasel00 | i often wonder how many people quit and how many more upset someone in the channel are dumped... used to be a common experience on networks i used to be on |
| 08:25.39 | rAz_ | type "syntax on" on a .vimrc file in your ~ directory |
| 08:25.52 | kevix | unix_infidel: there should be a 'setting' or 'session' under IIRC the edit menu |
| 08:26.19 | rAz_ | unix_infidel, i think what i propose you will solve your problem |
| 08:26.30 | Shadowcat | bah |
| 08:26.33 | kevix | weasel00: people either get used to comminucating on irc or they dont. |
| 08:26.52 | dvm1981 | unix_infidel: Run 'vimtutor' |
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| 08:27.09 | weasel00 | kevix : think everyone needs an extra helping of patience; administered atleast once a day |
| 08:27.17 | unix_infidel | weasel00: its like real life, you dont expect a girl to get pissy when you have to leave. |
| 08:27.26 | unix_infidel | but ALOT of the time they do....so you just... |
| 08:27.27 | King_Brad | how can i get a network card to renew its ipaddress from console? |
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| 08:27.33 | unix_infidel | brush off your shoulders...like a pimp :) |
| 08:27.35 | SJr | unix_infidel that did not work |
| 08:27.36 | kevix | weasel00: I think you'd have to force-feed that to some folks like cod-liver oil! |
| 08:27.45 | weasel00 | Shadowcat : wish i could.. someone else grabbed plain "weasel" before me =) |
| 08:28.02 | Shadowcat | weasel00: that's not my problem now is it? :P |
| 08:28.03 | dvm1981 | King_Brad: ifconfig <dev> <ip> |
| 08:28.03 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 08:28.04 | dpkg | <gomba> Can anyone help me to solve a light mounting problem? <sussudio> gomba: you turn the bulb |
| 08:28.11 | fr33mind | Somebody know an app for multi terminal emulator ? (for a machine connect to 8 headless servers via serial port) |
| 08:28.20 | King_Brad | i want it to renew its dhcp ip address, i dont want to specify an ip |
| 08:28.24 | tarzeau | fr33mind: screen? |
| 08:28.29 | tarzeau | fr33mind: and terminal.app |
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| 08:28.43 | tarzeau | fr33mind: check my dotscreenrc and dotzshrc at www.linuks.mine.nu/conf/ |
| 08:28.44 | weasel00 | Shadowcat : Shadowcat vs Shad0wcat < |
| 08:28.49 | kevix | King_Brad: dhcp? |
| 08:28.56 | King_Brad | yes, dhcp |
| 08:29.18 | kevix | King_Brad: this may not be the optimum, but I 'ifdown eth0;ifup eth0' |
| 08:29.32 | weasel00 | Shadowcat : besides i cant believe you would pick on my name *pouts* thats so mean *cries* |
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| 08:30.15 | kevix | weasel00: why not get 'weasle!' |
| 08:30.43 | Shadowcat | weasel00: I'll pick on your name anytime I want >:) |
| 08:30.48 | Shadowcat | and Shad0wcat is my other box |
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| 08:31.01 | fr33mind | tarzeau: I think I will use usb to serial to have multiple serials on my remote access machine... a better idea? |
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| 08:31.36 | tarzeau | fr33mind: nope. ah you mean a serial terminal... |
| 08:32.16 | weasel00 | kevix : is "weasel!" even valid? |
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| 08:32.55 | kevix | weasel00: what are the allowed chars [a-zA-Z]* |
| 08:33.10 | lark | agh! |
| 08:33.19 | weasel00 | kevix : thats what i thought hehe |
| 08:33.48 | lark | nitt4agtm |
| 08:33.58 | kevix | weasel00: then maybe _weasle or weasle_ |
| 08:34.11 | fr33mind | tarzeau :P Somebody know an app for multi terminal emulator ? (for a machine connect to 8 headless servers via serial port) |
| 08:34.55 | djpowder | what command would i type in order to get a kernel compiled for 686 smp? |
| 08:35.04 | weasel00 | kevix : w34s3l? |
| 08:35.06 | orchid | fr33mind: Gnu screen? |
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| 08:35.47 | fr33mind | orchid, never seen... |
| 08:36.13 | tarzeau | fr33mind: screen and minicom... |
| 08:36.37 | Deb_Troll | Shadowcat : this better? |
| 08:38.18 | kevix | !info pconsole |
| 08:38.25 | dpkg | pconsole: (parallel console shell for administering clusters), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.0-6 (sid), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 116 kB |
| 08:39.34 | Deb_Troll | grr.. dont understand why postfix is giving more trouble than any qmail install has lol |
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| 08:43.12 | itrebal | i'm trying to compile a file,and its complaining that the sanity check failed, the people in ##linux told me to run /usr/bin/cpp and its just sitting there, runing, but i cant tell if its doing anything... what does it mean if it failed a sanity check,and how do i fix it? |
| 08:43.38 | karsten | kevix: That's about the long and short of it. |
| 08:43.50 | karsten | kevix: ... sorry, doing other stuff as well. It's annoying but not fatal at present. |
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| 08:45.24 | Skrot | itrebal: Try to apt-get install build-essentials |
| 08:45.48 | kevix | karsten: maybe unload kernel module? |
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| 08:46.54 | kevix | itrebal: what are you trying to compile and why did you not use a debian package? |
| 08:47.32 | itrebal | unrealircd, and i dont think there is one |
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| 08:48.23 | itrebal | the build-essentail fixed it, thanks |
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| 08:53.38 | rAz_ | #anyone can help me for dhclient.conf lease parameters ? i want to use a secondary dns server in first, and i want to place it in the dhclient.conf file with supersede. i tryed to |
| 08:53.41 | rAz_ | oops |
| 08:53.43 | rAz_ | ffs |
| 08:54.20 | nayyares | what is the name of package at kde for cd writting? |
| 08:54.23 | dondelelcaro | rAz_: if you want a specific dhcp server to be used first, (always?) use resolveconf and stick it in the header; it tends to be easier. |
| 08:54.25 | rAz_ | i dont manage to use it correctly :/ |
| 08:54.33 | kevix | nayyares: k3b |
| 08:54.48 | rAz_ | dondelelcaro, i already did it. but the dhcp overwrite my resolv.conf |
| 08:54.57 | rAz_ | each 60 secondes :s |
| 08:54.59 | dondelelcaro | rAz_: it won't if you're using resolvconf |
| 08:55.13 | rAz_ | i just try it |
| 08:55.23 | rAz_ | my resolv.conf is always overwritten |
| 08:55.28 | dondelelcaro | rAz_: I'm using resolvconf with dhcp... so I know how it works |
| 08:55.37 | nayyares | kevix, thanks |
| 08:55.51 | dondelelcaro | rAz_: you're using dhcp3-client, right? |
| 08:55.57 | rAz_ | no |
| 08:55.58 | rAz_ | :) |
| 08:56.01 | rAz_ | here why |
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| 08:56.05 | dondelelcaro | rAz_: uh... well, start with that |
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| 08:56.27 | dondelelcaro | rAz_: then make sure you're running dhclient using ifup, not directly. |
| 08:57.04 | rAz_ | :( |
| 08:57.22 | kevix | dondelelcaro: would setting ro to the file work or chattr |
| 08:57.48 | rAz_ | i have to use dhclient.conf |
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| 08:57.58 | rAz_ | and no other service such as dhc3 |
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| 08:58.29 | rAz_ | the dhcp service is implemented on the router i use. and i have to use it. or my router dosent work |
| 08:58.36 | rAz_ | french freebox power |
| 08:59.15 | []Joe_Satriani[] | hello |
| 08:59.29 | rAz_ | doesnt* |
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| 09:00.03 | rAz_ | thank for solve my problem with an other problem -_- |
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| 09:00.58 | Deb_Troll | wierd!? i go apt-get myphpadmin and it wants to remove phpbb2 with all the php4 libs... :-\ |
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| 09:02.06 | dondelelcaro | rAz_: dhcp3-client, not dhcp3-server. |
| 09:02.13 | rAz_ | okay |
| 09:02.22 | dondelelcaro | rAz_: you only care about the client that you're running, not the server on the router. |
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| 09:02.45 | rAz_ | yes i cant manage the server |
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| 09:03.03 | dondelelcaro | kevix: sure, but that's kind of suboptimal |
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| 09:03.33 | nayyares | is there any special DVD player for kde? |
| 09:04.45 | wdamn | okle |
| 09:04.45 | kevix | nayyares: would a non-kde dvd player be ok? |
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| 09:07.07 | nayyares | kevix, yeah :) if you recommend one? |
| 09:07.38 | rAz_ | as soon as i use dhclient3 there is a error message on the syslog : execve (/etc/dhclient-script, ...): No such file or directory how to change it ? |
| 09:07.51 | rAz_ | there is no file indeed |
| 09:08.02 | rAz_ | but it is in /etc/dhcp3/... |
| 09:08.06 | kevix | nayyares: xine, ogle, gogle, mplayer |
| 09:08.19 | rAz_ | mplayer rox :) |
| 09:08.49 | nayyares | thanks :) |
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| 09:09.35 | davi_ | Is there any graphic utility to send a file to a BlueTouch device ? |
| 09:09.57 | rAz_ | where can i change the dhclient-script patch used by dhclient ? |
| 09:10.02 | rAz_ | path* |
| 09:10.23 | fritsch | try kdebluetooth |
| 09:10.37 | fritsch | hups ;-) sorry read bluetooth |
| 09:10.55 | davi_ | thanks fritsch |
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| 09:11.18 | fritsch | did you mean bluetooth? did not know bluetouch |
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| 09:11.51 | rAz_ | i speak russian ? |
| 09:12.06 | davi_ | fritsch, I meant bluetootch devices, but I do not see such package at Sarge |
| 09:12.30 | Blackhold | hello, where's is allocated the host's domain? de host's name is in /etc/hostname, but the file of domain? |
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| 09:12.50 | fritsch | mmh, don`t know of sarge, i use unstable, sorry |
| 09:12.56 | rAz_ | /etc/hosts ? |
| 09:13.01 | dondelelcaro | !hostname |
| 09:13.01 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
| 09:13.27 | rAz_ | dondelelcaro, i just set up dhcp3 client.. and the file is exactly the same |
| 09:13.27 | kevix | rAz_: debian is always looking for folks to translate into russian and also for russian developers |
| 09:13.32 | rAz_ | in all points :) |
| 09:13.41 | rAz_ | yes |
| 09:13.47 | rAz_ | i speak spanish to ;) |
| 09:13.48 | davi_ | !bluetouch |
| 09:13.56 | rAz_ | touth ? :) |
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| 09:14.15 | dondelelcaro | rAz_: the file should be the same, but it's a symlink to /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf, right? |
| 09:14.56 | kevix | davi_: do 'apt-cache search bluetooth' |
| 09:15.23 | davi_ | thanks kevix |
| 09:15.23 | caffei | is there any (easy) way to limit a process' cpu usage from the command line? |
| 09:16.04 | Jhair | caffei: nice ? |
| 09:16.30 | caffei | Jhair, that just sets the scheduler priority, but doesn't actually throttle cpu usage (i.e. force the process to sleep) |
| 09:16.32 | rAz_ | there is no files in /etc/resolvconf/run |
| 09:16.36 | rAz_ | dondelelcaro, |
| 09:16.40 | Blackhold | I know how to change the hostname, that that I don't know is how to set a new domain, I know that in hosts you can change there the domain, but there's an other file that sets it? I would to configure a bind and I want to have all okay |
| 09:16.40 | rAz_ | and no run folder |
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| 09:16.51 | dondelelcaro | rAz_: then you're not running resolvconf |
| 09:16.55 | garyB | Hello All |
| 09:17.21 | rAz_ | ho... are you sure it will solve my problem of dhclient renewing ? :p |
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| 09:17.26 | rAz_ | i go try it |
| 09:17.40 | garyB | Can somebody help me understand USB in Debian??? |
| 09:18.04 | wdamn | garyB, understanding what? |
| 09:18.05 | rAz_ | dondelelcaro, what are you meaning but "you are not running resolvconf ??" ? |
| 09:18.14 | Jhair | caffei: I don't think there's such a thing per process basis in the linux kernel |
| 09:18.29 | rAz_ | im completly in the darkness :( |
| 09:18.38 | dondelelcaro | rAz_: apt-get install resolvconf; |
| 09:19.06 | caffei | Jhair, I thought that was the case ... hrm |
| 09:19.13 | garyB | wdamn: I want to write an application which automatically detects USB when plugged and displays its contents in file browser |
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| 09:19.25 | garyB | wdamn: Do you have some information? |
| 09:19.32 | Jhair | caffei: googling a little bit I found now BSD has such a feature... |
| 09:19.49 | rAz_ | i dont know where i go.. but i dont think this will be less difficult to stop renewall with a such configuration files... |
| 09:19.57 | Diazepa1 | guys im getting this message when i boot - but harddrive appears to be working. Any suggestions? hdparm -i /dev/hdX |
| 09:20.01 | rAz_ | i trust u dondelelcaro |
| 09:20.02 | Diazepa1 | sorry |
| 09:20.08 | Diazepa1 | this is the message |
| 09:20.09 | caffei | Jhair, damn, seriously? Maybe it or something like it can be added to Linux. I'll consider sending something to LKML. :) |
| 09:20.21 | caffei | Jhair, what's it called, btw? |
| 09:20.25 | wdamn | garyB, no sorry - I thought something simpler :) |
| 09:20.25 | rAz_ | but please do not leave me with it unless configure it :/ |
| 09:20.36 | Diazepa1 | hdc: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| 09:20.42 | Jhair | caffei: check the LKML archives first if you want to avoid a flamewar ;) |
| 09:20.46 | jm_ | Diazepam: and error= code? |
| 09:20.46 | Diazepa1 | hdc: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC } |
| 09:20.46 | garyB | wdamn: ok |
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| 09:20.58 | wdamn | gary, gnome already does what you wanna do |
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| 09:21.07 | Jhair | caffei: maybe someone has already proposed a patch |
| 09:21.20 | caffei | Jhair, aha, that's quite likely. I'll search. |
| 09:21.28 | threat | werd |
| 09:21.33 | wdamn | sorry, garyB, gnome already does what you wanna do |
| 09:21.48 | bfamredux | hey guys, i just installed debian on my machine, and im trying to figure out what php/mysql packages i need to install. if i install php5-mysql, php5-cgi is that all i will need? |
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| 09:21.54 | rAz_ | well, dondelelcaro i think it is ok.. if i want to use other dns server i just have to put it in my /etc/network/interface with dns-nameservers command ? |
| 09:21.55 | Diazepa1 | jm - error=0x84 |
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| 09:22.05 | SerajewelKS | bfamredux: TIAS |
| 09:22.16 | dondelelcaro | rAz_: right |
| 09:22.17 | konfuzed | how can I get some useful reports about what is happening with the mail server |
| 09:22.18 | garyB | wdamn: It does not work on my RedHat EL 3,may be some modules need to be loaded. Do you know which module? |
| 09:22.28 | Diazepa1 | jm - ide: failed opcode was: unknown |
| 09:22.53 | jm_ | Diazepa1: yeah just saw it, this isn't too problematic, but it may means something's not quite right, try googling for "linux error=0x84 status=0x51" and see if someone has better description for it |
| 09:22.56 | bfamredux | what's tias =/ |
| 09:23.01 | SerajewelKS | !tias |
| 09:23.01 | dpkg | [tias] try it and see, or what you should have done first |
| 09:23.03 | kevix | garyB: gnome-volume-manager, hal, udev |
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| 09:23.07 | jm_ | Diazepam: I have a meeting now, gotta run, sorry |
| 09:23.11 | Usiu | Hi |
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| 09:23.14 | konfuzed | messages has thousanads of entries for failed host name look ups for try ing to deliver mail |
| 09:23.14 | Usiu | What package has dig util ? |
| 09:23.16 | bfamredux | ^_^ |
| 09:23.21 | SerajewelKS | Usiu: dnsutils |
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| 09:23.26 | Usiu | SerajewelKS, thx |
| 09:23.58 | kevix | SerajewelKS: is there an apt-file function for our bot? |
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| 09:24.21 | SerajewelKS | kevix: /msg dpkg help find |
| 09:24.38 | garyB | kevix: I would try that |
| 09:24.43 | SerajewelKS | kevix: or help dfind |
| 09:25.04 | Usiu | SerajewelKS, I installed tcsh but there are not .tcsh in /etc/skell do You know where to get the default one ? |
| 09:25.13 | Diazepa1 | jm - have tried googling but will continue - many thanks |
| 09:25.17 | wdamn | garyB, usb_storage usbcore scsi_mod and UHCI or EHCI |
| 09:25.23 | SerajewelKS | Usiu: why are you asking me. no, i don't know. |
| 09:26.42 | rAz_ | loel |
| 09:27.05 | rAz_ | i added the secondary dns server and that dont work |
| 09:27.15 | SerajewelKS | !doesn't work |
| 09:27.16 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 09:27.29 | bfamredux | LOL |
| 09:27.34 | SerajewelKS | !lol |
| 09:27.34 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 09:27.53 | davi_ | Is there any console tool to copy a file to a bluetooth device ? |
| 09:27.54 | dondelelcaro | rAz_: it won't work if you add it to a dhcp stanza, but it'll work if you add it to the resolvconf header |
| 09:27.56 | bfamredux | like a miniature buddha |
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| 09:28.15 | Usiu | davi, obex ? |
| 09:28.16 | SerajewelKS | davi_: yes, several in bluez-utils i beloeve |
| 09:28.21 | SerajewelKS | davi_: believe* |
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| 09:29.17 | davi_ | thanks SerajewelKS & Usiu |
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| 09:29.52 | garyB | kevix: Do you any pointers for USB based development? |
| 09:29.57 | rAz_ | i go to write something in the resolv.conf.. |
| 09:30.06 | garyB | wdamn:Do you any pointers for USB based development? |
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| 09:31.13 | kevix | garyB: what do you mean? |
| 09:31.20 | daymoon | has anybody problem with icq right now? my centericq says cannot connect: username and password mismatch :-( |
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| 09:31.52 | rAz_ | lol .. excuse me for the bad word |
| 09:31.54 | daymoon | I have not changed anything |
| 09:31.54 | rAz_ | but |
| 09:31.58 | rAz_ | fucking freebox |
| 09:32.01 | rAz_ | i fed up |
| 09:32.22 | rAz_ | i have 2 times the same ip in the resolv.conf.. and some errors when i update it |
| 09:32.38 | rhalff_ | how do I reset all connections to rsyncd ? |
| 09:32.53 | rhalff_ | even when I stop and start the deamon, it isn't reset |
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| 09:33.05 | dondelelcaro | rAz_: you don't modify the resolv.conf. You modify /etc/resolvconf/resolvconf.d/head |
| 09:33.23 | rAz_ | resol.conf is a symlink u told me before |
| 09:33.30 | kevix | dondelelcaro: what is a 'netsplit' that i have seen recently on irc |
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| 09:33.43 | dondelelcaro | kevix: it means that an irc server has split out from the network |
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| 09:33.48 | rAz_ | but it is noted that # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTE |
| 09:33.51 | dondelelcaro | kevix: in this case, brwon went away |
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| 09:34.06 | kevix | dondelelcaro: sounds bad... |
| 09:34.11 | dondelelcaro | rAz_: yes, and you'll notice that that's also in /etc/resolv.conf. Hence, head is that part of resolv.conf |
| 09:34.14 | dondelelcaro | kevix: well, it's not good |
| 09:34.52 | rAz_ | i dont understand.. :/ poor of mine |
| 09:35.15 | dondelelcaro | rAz_: just edit head |
| 09:35.41 | garyB | kevix: I mean some links or document information |
| 09:35.51 | daymoon | nobody has problem with an icq account? |
| 09:35.54 | daymoon | hmmmm... |
| 09:36.02 | rAz_ | k .. then i dont edit the /etc/network/interface with dns-servernames ? |
| 09:36.20 | kevix | garyB: dont know anything about usb dev. have you read about udev ? |
| 09:36.37 | garyB | kevix: No |
| 09:37.02 | kevix | garyB: that is the way usb devices are recognized by the 2.6 kernel. |
| 09:37.46 | rAz_ | mh ... dhclient dont return error this time... i try to stop and restart net. interf. |
| 09:38.01 | garyB | kevix: I am looking the thing on kernel 2.4 |
| 09:38.27 | rAz_ | the file is already overwritten |
| 09:38.52 | kevix | garyB: well debian is trying to only support 2.6 to simplify their work. |
| 09:39.13 | rAz_ | i cant place my own secondary dns nameserver no this fucking conf file.. i need to place it on other place |
| 09:39.13 | wireddd | i'm getting occasional head crashes on one of two hard drives, is there anyway to figure out which one it is without shutting the computer off? |
| 09:39.15 | rAz_ | it is Sure |
| 09:39.32 | kevix | wireddd: there should be logs in /varl |
| 09:39.40 | kevix | wireddd: there should be logs in /var/log about it |
| 09:40.10 | garyB | kevix: OK. If you have some links for udev, please let me know |
| 09:40.16 | Deb_Troll | did a main server get dumped again in irc land? |
| 09:41.00 | d4t2ilL4 | hi guys, I am planning to install debian on a server, but i am still waiting for the raid hardware, is it possible to install debian first, and then i can migrate it if/when i installed the raid 1? |
| 09:41.05 | wireddd | kevix which file thogh? |
| 09:41.07 | kevix | weasel00: maybe ask on #freenode ? |
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| 09:41.28 | kevix | wireddd: IIRC /var/log/messages |
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| 09:41.34 | wireddd | nope nothing in there |
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| 09:41.45 | davi_ | Which of the bluez-utils commands is used to copy a file to a USB bluetooth device ?. Note I have read the man pages of all /usr/bin commands and I have looked at the /usr/sbin/ one. |
| 09:41.48 | pengol | hi there ... is it possible to get a numeric value for a mixer setting? |
| 09:41.58 | rAz_ | well.. thanks anyway dondelelcaro for your help :) |
| 09:42.41 | rAz_ | dhcp3-client is resolv.conf like but much better structured at least :) |
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| 09:43.05 | kevix | wireddd: I have "messages.0:Mar 14 03:18:05 localhost kernel: hdb: dma_intr: error=0x04 { DriveStatusError } |
| 09:43.28 | wireddd | all I have for the past few days it just marks |
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| 09:44.10 | kevix | wireddd: what do you mean by hd crash? did the computer do a fsck on boot? |
| 09:44.16 | ma3x | hello |
| 09:44.19 | ma3x | a quick question |
| 09:44.52 | ma3x | when you type in 'man'ual '/search-query' and then you want it to continue searching, what do you type? f3 is not working |
| 09:45.01 | wireddd | no, you know that clicking sound a drive makes when its head crashes? |
| 09:45.26 | kevix | ma3x: it uses 'vi' bindings, so 'n' |
| 09:45.36 | wireddd | well I have a drive that does that occasionally and I am not sure which one it is because it is so infrequent |
| 09:45.48 | kevix | wireddd: mine does that but has errors in /var/log/message |
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| 09:46.12 | kevix | wireddd: I use my ears. or you can disconnect one drive. |
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| 09:46.26 | wireddd | kevix well it only happends about once a day |
| 09:46.42 | kevix | wireddd: hmm. always the same time? |
| 09:46.45 | wireddd | nope |
| 09:46.50 | ma3x | kevix, thank you my dear! |
| 09:47.01 | wireddd | its very strange |
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| 09:47.26 | kevix | wireddd: just be aware that it is a ticking time bomb! these can go at any time. |
| 09:47.46 | dondelelcaro | aidehua: TZ=foo date |
| 09:48.09 | dondelelcaro | aidehua: FE TZ="America/New_York" date |
| 09:48.27 | aidehua | Apparently, foo is in the same timezone as me :) |
| 09:48.34 | concept10 | Mar 16 03:39:29 localhost kernel: [4296271.803000] Inbound IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:02:90:27:1f:bd:76:08:00 SRC=192.168.2.18 DST=192.168.2.255 LEN=78 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=128 ID=730 PROTO=UDP SPT=137 DPT=137 LEN=58.............what does SPT = 137 mean? |
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| 09:49.10 | kevix | aidehua: just note what time you are in wrt GMT. if you are in GMT-2 and you what to know about new york city, its GMT-5, so 3 hours earlier |
| 09:49.25 | dondelelcaro | the problem is that NYC isn't always GMT-5 |
| 09:49.35 | pengol | how do I tell the kernel not to load a module at boot time? |
| 09:49.36 | kevix | concept10: source port |
| 09:49.44 | wireddd | kevix, that exactly why I want to figure out which drive it is, so I can replace it |
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| 09:50.20 | dondelelcaro | wireddd: do you see anything interesting in smartctl or dmesg? |
| 09:50.41 | kevix | wireddd: you may want to use some hd checking utils? bonnie? |
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| 09:51.21 | concept10 | I am trying to use samba, and I see kernel messages coming from my windoze box but I have port 137 seems to be closed, any suggestions? |
| 09:52.14 | Surreal | http://freeporn.zapto.org/ |
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| 09:54.32 | tarzeau | isn't there a gui that works for dvd write enabled cdrecord? xcdroast doesn't do it... |
| 09:54.58 | wdamn | tarzeau, k3b gnomebaker graveman |
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| 09:56.02 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: doesn't everything just use growisofs nowdays? |
| 09:56.44 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: i don't know. can xcdroast use growisofs? |
| 09:56.59 | rhalff_ | why doesn't this work ? dpkg --set-selections < selections.txt; apt-get upgrade; |
| 09:57.04 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: no clue. I always just use growisofs anyway... |
| 09:57.16 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: i see |
| 09:57.19 | dondelelcaro | rhalff_: you want dselect-upgrade; and don't do that. use aptitude instead. |
| 09:57.26 | dondelelcaro | !installed |
| 09:57.26 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 09:57.47 | rhalff_ | dondelelcaro, I need to mirror a system |
| 09:58.16 | rAz_ | dondelelcaro, well |
| 09:58.22 | rAz_ | i found the head file :) |
| 09:58.29 | rAz_ | <- low brained :p |
| 09:58.33 | dondelelcaro | rhalff_: see the last bit of this recipe with xargs aptitude install --schedule-only |
| 09:58.36 | rAz_ | thank you mate |
| 09:58.54 | dondelelcaro | rAz_: np |
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| 10:00.06 | lyy | anyone awake in here? |
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| 10:04.50 | dglerum | I'm trying to setup Java on a debian server, anyone experienced? |
| 10:05.01 | bfamredux | hehe, i just did it tonight :) |
| 10:05.14 | bfamredux | regular jre? |
| 10:05.19 | dglerum | yep |
| 10:05.25 | bfamredux | ok sure |
| 10:05.29 | bfamredux | just a sec |
| 10:05.47 | bfamredux | add: |
| 10:05.56 | bfamredux | deb http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy multiverse |
| 10:05.57 | bfamredux | deb-src http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy multiverse |
| 10:05.57 | dglerum | lucky me... thx bfamredux |
| 10:05.59 | Rawplayer | RE |
| 10:06.01 | bfamredux | to your sources.list |
| 10:06.08 | bfamredux | then apt-get update |
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| 10:06.21 | wireddd | ubuntu? |
| 10:06.39 | dglerum | greate, that's probably the reason why it can't find java2-common? |
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| 10:06.46 | bfamredux | yeah |
| 10:06.48 | bfamredux | :D |
| 10:06.51 | wireddd | this is debian |
| 10:06.54 | bfamredux | it's part of the multiverse.. thing |
| 10:07.15 | SlayerXP | !ubuntu |
| 10:07.15 | dpkg | Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntulinux.org and/or visit #ubuntu, right here on IRC. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
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| 10:07.36 | bfamredux | works for debian as well |
| 10:07.54 | bfamredux | no need to start getting all huffy because you're using a ubuntu repos for debian -_- |
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| 10:08.08 | yage | I have, say, 100 servers, all with apt (but not all of them are debian sadly), i'd like to create reports about patch status of all of them in a centralized way, is there any tool to do this? My idea is to send a mail to the administrator of each unpatched machine telling him to upgrade and also know (in a centralized location) which machine is unpatched. |
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| 10:08.45 | wireddd | dglerum, well if you want to do it the right way /msg dpkg java-package |
| 10:08.49 | yage | landesk can do this, but is really too expensive |
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| 10:09.39 | ArtVandalae | Hi guys, I have a plain text document with 496 lines. I want to write the line nos. into the document. Any elegant ways of doing this? |
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| 10:10.48 | nkuttler | ArtVandalae: nos? |
| 10:11.20 | ArtVandalae | numbers |
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| 10:12.15 | matik | ArtVandalae: man cat |
| 10:12.19 | rrad | hello, I need to setup something that will allow everybody in my office to share their calendars (everybody is using outlook, except for me (korganizer)). People are talking about exchange server so I have to come up with something good fast to keep at least our servers debian... I'm thinking about something webdav or caldav but I can't find good docs (most important requirement: easy to connect outlook to the calendar server) |
| 10:12.22 | rrad | any ideas? |
| 10:12.53 | tarzeau | rrad: forget it |
| 10:13.04 | tarzeau | rrad: or use exchange (only with outlook clients though) |
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| 10:14.22 | rrad | that's not news that's making me happy ;) |
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| 10:14.50 | SimonRaven | rrad: kolab? |
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| 10:15.02 | Bear_DK | shouldn't "tar -czf foo.tar.gz /bar/" and "tar -cz /bar/ > foo.tar.gz" give the same output? It does not however :( |
| 10:16.04 | rrad | SimonRaven: looks promising... going to check it out, thanks! |
| 10:16.14 | scott85213 | when i "apt-get install rtorrent" i get "E: Package rtorrent has no installation candidate" - I checked the packages on the site and it's there, why doesn't it see it here? |
| 10:17.01 | kevix | !info rtorrent stable |
| 10:17.10 | scott85213 | it's only unstable/testing |
| 10:17.56 | kevix | scott85213: then it must be an error in your sources.list (did you apt-get update ?) |
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| 10:18.30 | scott85213 | of course |
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| 10:19.09 | SimonRaven | rrad: kolab stuff just started creeping into experimental ... might want to fetch the debian source and build that for sarge or something if you need to |
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| 10:20.04 | kevix | scott85213: I have it as listed in 500 http://ftp.us.debian.org unstable/main Packages |
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| 10:20.52 | ArtVandalae | matik, thanks it worked |
| 10:20.56 | andrewtaylor_ | hi, I'm trying to configure firehol on sarge, I'm getting "iptables-save v1.2.11: Can't initialize: Module is wrong version |
| 10:21.17 | andrewtaylor_ | This is a brand new install, I've done this a couple of times and I haven't come across it before, any pointers? |
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| 10:21.56 | dglerum | bfamredux: added the sources and updated apt, can't find java2-common tough... :( |
| 10:22.10 | kevix | andrewtaylor_: are you using a debian kernel or a homemade kernel ? |
| 10:22.13 | dubphil | Hello, I'm currently trying to use a cgi script that needs CGI 3.15 I have an up to date install of Sarge so it seems that the Sarge package are too old. I update my sources.list to add testing repository, update libcgi-perl, but it not seems to be the good package to update. Anyone can point which package on debian is relevant to the CGI 3.15 entity ? |
| 10:22.34 | bfamredux | apt-get java-package , i believe |
| 10:22.42 | bfamredux | apt-get install java-package |
| 10:22.49 | kevix | dubphil: you may want to try backports.org |
| 10:22.54 | andrewtaylor_ | kevix - I'm not sure it's a dedicated box, I presumed a standard debian kernel |
| 10:23.14 | kevix | andrewtaylor_: otherwise I'd check the bts for a clue |
| 10:23.32 | dubphil | kevix: thanks I will take a look |
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| 10:23.42 | bfamredux | dglerum, http://student.cosy.sbg.ac.at/~amayer/files/How-to-install-Java-on-Debian.html |
| 10:24.20 | kevix | !dpkg java-debian is at http://student.cosy.sbg.ac.at/~amayer/files/How-to-install-Java-on-Debian.html |
| 10:24.20 | dpkg | okay, kevix |
| 10:24.26 | tarzeau | what's é in UTF-8? |
| 10:24.29 | konfuzed | damn i cant even delete spam |
| 10:24.32 | konfuzed | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:24.32 | konfuzed | konfuzed bash: /bin/rm: Argument list too long |
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| 10:25.04 | kevix | konfuzed: use for or while is bash |
| 10:25.05 | tarzeau | é ? |
| 10:25.23 | kevix | tarzeau: e with accent ague? |
| 10:25.31 | tarzeau | kevix: yes |
| 10:25.53 | dubphil | kevix: ok good point for backports, but the problem for me is that I cannot identify the debian package relevant to CGI 3.15 . On Gentoo it is named as this so it is easy to find |
| 10:25.57 | andrewtaylor_ | kevix - thanks, I'll bounce it back to my host, I just didn't want to report something that was a) my fault or b) my mistake |
| 10:26.00 | kevix | tarzeau: I will check with gnome-character-map |
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| 10:26.37 | tarzeau | kevix: i'll check with recode latin1..utf8 and backwards... |
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| 10:28.20 | kevix | tarzeau: U+00E9 |
| 10:28.27 | tarzeau | kevix: can you write that in latin1? |
| 10:28.33 | tarzeau | kevix: the utf8 encoding i mean |
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| 10:29.04 | kevix | tarzeau: not to familar but its under 'latin' in the char-map |
| 10:29.23 | voyager | jest Kto¶ z POLSKI ? |
| 10:29.58 | kevix | tarzeau: here it say bitstream vera was used |
| 10:30.17 | azeem | !pl |
| 10:30.17 | dpkg | it has been said that pl is sometimes referred to as "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl |
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| 10:31.38 | dubphil | CGI is it simply the perl apache module ? |
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| 10:32.38 | kevix | dubphil: IIRC its in the 'perl' core packages |
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| 10:33.39 | dubphil | kevix: ah ok so I have to update perl with the backports ok, thanks a lot |
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| 10:34.33 | kevix | dubphil: but beware that backports are not made by debian. |
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| 10:37.49 | dubphil | arrgh ! perl is already the latest version on backports :( |
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| 10:38.31 | konfuzed | wow is it possible to have a 4.3MB dot file |
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| 10:39.46 | konfuzed | would that be a 4.3MB description of the directory itself |
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| 10:40.33 | Den | I'm planning to go from clarkconnect to debian on my server. My question might not be very debian related, but I'll ask anyway. I'm looking for a sollution where I can automate de/encoding of video files from divx/xvid to mpg2 in a folder with subfolders. Example: ./videoscript |
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| 10:43.02 | dondelelcaro | Den: mencode an probably do that |
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| 10:43.18 | Den | dondelelcaro: thanks. I'll look into it :) |
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| 10:45.39 | caffei | I just discovered that I can renice any user process to -19 with that user... anyone know what file I'd modify to fix this? (only root should be able to set negative nice values) |
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| 10:46.40 | konfuzed | [root@gateway Maildir]# ls -alh cur/ |
| 10:46.40 | konfuzed | total 4.4M |
| 10:46.40 | konfuzed | drwxr-xr-x 2 cyborg public 4.3M Mar 16 05:35 . |
| 10:46.40 | konfuzed | drwxr-xr-x 5 cyborg public 4.0k Mar 16 05:07 .. |
| 10:46.40 | konfuzed | [root@gateway Maildir]# |
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| 10:47.39 | wizzomafizzo | Can anyone tell me why when I compile kde themes I get the error Can't find X includes for ./configure? I'm not sure if it happens when compiling other things. |
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| 10:51.05 | dondelelcaro | caffei: uh... the documentation for renice claims that it won't decrement the nice value unless you're root |
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| 10:51.58 | azeem | wizzomafizzo: you need the appropriate -dev libraries, check config.log for the actual error message |
| 10:51.58 | caffei | dondelelcaro, well, I'm definitely able to renice any owned process to a lower value without being root... maybe it's a kernel bug? |
| 10:52.02 | dondelelcaro | caffei: and indeed, that's how it works here. |
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| 10:52.26 | wizzomafizzo | azeem, Ah, that makes heaps more sense, thanks. |
| 10:52.33 | caffei | dondelelcaro, that's how it used to work on my system too, but for some reason all nice limits seem to be gone |
| 10:53.31 | caffei | dondelelcaro, is the nice code implemented in the kernel scheduler? |
| 10:53.45 | caffei | (I'm not using a stock kernel nor a stock scheduler) |
| 10:54.25 | dondelelcaro | caffei: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2087 |
| 10:55.15 | caffei | dondelelcaro, hrm, guessing it's a kernel issue. |
| 10:55.35 | caffei | I never see 'Permission Denied' at all, as any user |
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| 10:55.48 | dondelelcaro | caffei: well, the nice itself is in the kernel, so it's possible that you don't have the scheduler set up that disables that. |
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| 10:56.38 | caffei | hmm, maybe the anticipatory scheduler doesn't |
| 10:56.59 | dondelelcaro | probably nice is meaningless for it |
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| 10:57.23 | hapoak | hey |
| 10:57.32 | hapoak | debian sarge 3.1 r1 what cd ? |
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| 10:58.00 | dondelelcaro | hapoak: ? |
| 11:00.21 | Ronin | put the mind reading hot on dondelelcaro :) |
| 11:00.40 | dondelelcaro | the hat's broken, and the bot's in for repairs. |
| 11:02.22 | johaBBa | how do i get the source code for the debian kernel so i can manually install a module from source? |
| 11:02.33 | azeem | johaBBa: use m-a |
| 11:02.35 | azeem | !m-a |
| 11:02.36 | dpkg | methinks module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or the daddy, or apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential |
| 11:02.58 | johaBBa | azeem, tried that...m-a -i prepare can't find kernel-headers |
| 11:03.23 | azeem | johaBBa: which version are you running? |
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| 11:03.37 | johaBBa | azeem, "Couldn't find package kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386" |
| 11:03.39 | opqdonut | when installing a stuff, i get errors of the type " libg2c0: Depends: gcc-3.4-base (= 3.4.5-2) but it is not going to be installed". however, when i add the needed package to the list of packages i give to apt-get, it works? wtf is this? |
| 11:04.06 | azeem | johaBBa: are you running a self-made kernel? |
| 11:04.08 | johaBBa | azeem, no |
| 11:04.20 | johaBBa | azeem, fresh debian install with default kernel from cd |
| 11:04.28 | johaBBa | azeem, 2.6.8-2-386 |
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| 11:05.12 | azeem | johaBBa: did you add the full stable repo via http/ftp? |
| 11:05.19 | azeem | johaBBa: or do you only have a CD? |
| 11:05.30 | johaBBa | azeem, and i have 'main contrib non-free' in sources.list |
| 11:05.48 | johaBBa | azeem, i didn't base install from cd then added an http source to apt |
| 11:05.54 | johaBBa | s/didn't/did |
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| 11:06.10 | azeem | try apt-cache search kernel-headers and see whether something matches |
| 11:06.12 | johaBBa | using base-config after first boot |
| 11:06.35 | SimonRaven | opqdonut: apt-get install is literal minded |
| 11:06.52 | johaBBa | azeem, that only shows kernel-headers for 2.4.27 kernels or 2.6.15 |
| 11:07.04 | azeem | johaBBa: eh |
| 11:07.09 | azeem | johaBBa: then its not stable |
| 11:07.10 | johaBBa | azeem, this is from a netinstall cd d/l yesterday..... |
| 11:07.12 | azeem | check your sources.list |
| 11:07.23 | azeem | johaBBa: what exactly did you install sarge? etch? |
| 11:07.44 | johaBBa | azeem, sources.list says 'testing' |
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| 11:08.08 | johaBBa | azeem, /etc/debian_version says testing/unstable |
| 11:08.09 | opqdonut | SimonRaven: previously it has installed dependencies automatically |
| 11:08.15 | johaBBa | ? |
| 11:08.43 | azeem | johaBBa: so did you want to install stable or testing? |
| 11:08.54 | johaBBa | azeem, i have done apt-get update and apt-get -u dist-upgrade many times |
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| 11:09.07 | johaBBa | azeem, i guess i'll stick with 'testing' as it says in sources.list |
| 11:09.19 | johaBBa | azeem, are the headers available for that version of debian? |
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| 11:09.41 | azeem | johaBBa: sure, the headers are avaiable |
| 11:09.47 | roxy_ | I want to input japanese/english in firefox/konqueror and openoffice. What is the best way in debian? |
| 11:09.53 | azeem | johaBBa: you will need to upgrade your kernel to whats in testing, though |
| 11:09.59 | azeem | johaBBa: which might be a problem |
| 11:10.01 | johaBBa | aaaaahhhhh |
| 11:10.22 | johaBBa | ? |
| 11:10.24 | johaBBa | why problem? |
| 11:10.25 | blueSmurf | Hi all, I have to share files on a network for macintosh, windows xp and linux. But Mac OSX hang on trying to open the share. Server is debian stable. Is samba the way to go? (netatalk?, nfs ?) |
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| 11:10.52 | azeem | johaBBa: then it drags in udev and the upgrade path sarge->etch is not in place yet |
| 11:10.55 | opqdonut | samba is very broken on osx to my experience |
| 11:11.11 | azeem | johaBBa: I never did it myself, I only heard about these problems |
| 11:11.17 | azeem | maybe it works for you |
| 11:11.29 | blueSmurf | opqdonut, I read MAC OSX is nativ UNIX... maybe nfs is the way to go then ? |
| 11:11.55 | johaBBa | azeem, i dont' understand...i've done this many, many times....d/l netinstcd, install, upgrade and go....what did i do wrong here? |
| 11:11.58 | azeem | there's no thing as native UNIX |
| 11:12.05 | blueSmurf | azeem, udev kernel update hell ???, lol my debian at home is poweless to it :) |
| 11:12.19 | azeem | johaBBa: nothing, but maybe you didn't update the kernel during the process? |
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| 11:12.48 | blueSmurf | azeem, wow, a language lawer. MAC OSX *is* based on some kind of UNIX. better like that ? |
| 11:12.56 | johaBBa | azeem, it did updates during base-config and no new kernel available....trying now and it says i have the newest |
| 11:12.58 | azeem | blueSmurf: yes |
| 11:13.03 | blueSmurf | azeem, ;) |
| 11:13.27 | azeem | blueSmurf: I am not a fascist on this, just that you can't say "OS X is Unix so everything should just work" |
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| 11:13.59 | blueSmurf | is there a solution to the dimwits who update to testing without updating the kernel *first*. Im in a deadlock at home. |
| 11:14.14 | johaBBa | i did a clean install.....!? |
| 11:14.19 | CcSsNET | mac osx was built ontop of freebsd |
| 11:14.45 | CcSsNET | a heavily mpdified obviosly |
| 11:14.50 | blueSmurf | debian install is a breeze so I migth just install it again |
| 11:14.57 | CcSsNET | wow i an type |
| 11:15.05 | CcSsNET | cant* |
| 11:15.08 | CcSsNET | gawhhh |
| 11:15.11 | azeem | johaBBa, blueSmurf: http://blog.madduck.net/ has something about this |
| 11:15.22 | blueSmurf | CcSsNET: so file sharing with NFS sounds like a good idea, no ? |
| 11:15.36 | blueSmurf | azeem, thanks. |
| 11:15.44 | CcSsNET | well if you want your system hacked sure it is |
| 11:15.54 | CcSsNET | research nfs security real quick ;) |
| 11:16.02 | blueSmurf | azeem, funny. My hair has gone grey due to udev as well :) |
| 11:16.10 | CcSsNET | i hate udev |
| 11:16.12 | CcSsNET | >.< |
| 11:16.35 | CcSsNET | udev has caused so many problems with my kernel upgrades here |
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| 11:16.58 | blueSmurf | CcSsNET, does that still hold (nfs hacked) if Im behind a firewall on a local network (3 misserable users) ? |
| 11:17.18 | CcSsNET | uhm what does a firewall have to do with anything? |
| 11:17.20 | CcSsNET | lol |
| 11:17.27 | johaBBa | azeem, thanks for the info...i might as well build my own kernel at this point........ |
| 11:17.34 | CcSsNET | people look at a firewall as if it where made of brick or steal |
| 11:17.37 | blueSmurf | CcSsNET, false sense of security :) |
| 11:17.41 | roxy_ | blueSmurf: you have 3 users AND mac, xp and linux ? |
| 11:17.42 | CcSsNET | yes |
| 11:17.51 | CcSsNET | very false |
| 11:18.14 | CcSsNET | there good at blocking port scans once in a while |
| 11:18.21 | blueSmurf | roxy_, yup. I use linux. Boss uses windows xp, and graphic designer uses a win and a mac. |
| 11:18.33 | CcSsNET | sometimes even other things |
| 11:18.39 | CcSsNET | but usually there miss configured |
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| 11:18.46 | CcSsNET | even to do such a simple task ^ |
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| 11:19.08 | CcSsNET | ccssnet.phoenix-hosting.org |
| 11:19.20 | CcSsNET | my page for those that are bored |
| 11:19.27 | Jeeves_Moss | all: hello all, can some one give me a hand with configuring Apache? |
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| 11:19.33 | CcSsNET | yea yea i know its ugly dont remind me |
| 11:19.57 | blueSmurf | Jeeves_Moss, state your problem. |
| 11:20.11 | CcSsNET | nfs an be configured not to have problems if you put in the effort |
| 11:20.19 | CcSsNET | but a default install is not wise |
| 11:20.25 | CcSsNET | can* |
| 11:20.33 | blueSmurf | CcSsNET, What would be the way go to share files on a LAN between linuxes then ? |
| 11:20.46 | CcSsNET | i use SecPanel |
| 11:20.48 | Jeeves_Moss | blueSmurf: I need to configure it to use a different directory than the one stated in the conf file. The problem is I can't get a clean removal of apache and apach2 |
| 11:20.49 | CcSsNET | and ssh |
| 11:21.07 | blueSmurf | CcSsNET, I always say theres not bad software,... only bad administrators :) |
| 11:21.21 | CcSsNET | it encryptes all data xfered with whatever algorithm you got ssh setup for |
| 11:21.39 | blueSmurf | CcSsNET, I never heard of that... ill look into it. |
| 11:21.46 | CcSsNET | very true blueSmurf sometimes there not even bad just misinformed or miss led |
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| 11:22.04 | Jeeves_Moss | blueSmurf: any ideas? |
| 11:22.41 | blueSmurf | Jeeves_Moss, Im not sure I understand the problem. |
| 11:22.49 | CcSsNET | and if you need to add a windows system into the filesharing mix |
| 11:22.56 | CcSsNET | researh WinSCP |
| 11:22.56 | blueSmurf | Jeeves_Moss, you want a diferent htdocs directory ? |
| 11:23.05 | CcSsNET | its the equivelent of SecPanel |
| 11:23.37 | Jeeves_Moss | blueSmurf: I need to do a FULL removal of apache and apache2 (compleate removal of ALL files), then reinstall apache2, and configure it to use a differen't htdocs dir. |
| 11:23.46 | CcSsNET | and beleive it or not programed and more functional also i hate saying that about windows software but that case its true |
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| 11:24.17 | blueSmurf | CcSsNET, I was going to use samba for giving files to windows. I need it to be as transparent to the win user (the Boss) as possible. |
| 11:24.23 | CcSsNET | its to bad winscp craps out when run through wine/cedega |
| 11:24.32 | blueSmurf | Jeeves_Moss, did you purge them ? |
| 11:24.46 | CcSsNET | tell the boss |
| 11:24.50 | Jeeves_Moss | I did apt-get remove and it didden't remove the conf files |
| 11:24.52 | CcSsNET | that you have a really good idea |
| 11:25.02 | roxy_ | Jeeves_Moss: purge not remove |
| 11:25.07 | CcSsNET | and it will benfit the company if he takes the time to here you out |
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| 11:25.10 | blueSmurf | Jeeves_Moss, yep, try purge. |
| 11:25.15 | CcSsNET | and teach him to use WinSCP |
| 11:25.27 | Jeeves_Moss | roxy_: so apt-get purge apache? |
| 11:25.40 | CcSsNET | that way you wont even need to have a network file sharing protocal active at all |
| 11:25.46 | Quinn_Storm | apt-get --purge remove $name |
| 11:25.53 | Quinn_Storm | or dpkg --purge $name |
| 11:26.01 | CcSsNET | just a thought, dont do this unless you fully understand how it works |
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| 11:26.35 | blueSmurf | CcSsNET, Ill take a look at it. Sounds good, and fun. What more can you ask. |
| 11:26.42 | CcSsNET | hehe |
| 11:26.50 | mithro | what is the place which stores all the old debs? |
| 11:27.04 | BlueFish | Hi all. I was wondering, how do I SSH into a Linux/Unix computer from a windows Computer? |
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| 11:27.16 | Quinn_Storm | BlueFish: putty is the app you want |
| 11:27.19 | CcSsNET | 1 other tip, on the systems running ssh servers make sure permitrootlogin is set to no in the config |
| 11:27.24 | Jeeves_Moss | blueSmurf: ok, now to change the htdocs dir. |
| 11:27.26 | jm_ | mith: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 11:27.37 | CcSsNET | BlueFish grab PuTTY |
| 11:27.37 | wireddd | anyone have any idea why this creates a broken archive.... tar -vcz --exclude=/sys/* --exclude=/proc/* -f - / | ssh 192.168.1.38 dd of=/usr/local/storage/test.tar.gz |
| 11:27.39 | jm_ | mithro ^^^^ |
| 11:27.40 | roxy_ | Jeeves_Moss: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-apt-commands |
| 11:27.53 | blueSmurf | Jeeves_Moss, edit the /etc/apache2/apache2.conf file |
| 11:28.01 | Jeeves_Moss | roxy_: I was looking for quick and simple. |
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| 11:28.04 | BlueFish | But a friend of mine (who I have not seen for a while) SSH'd to his computer from school. |
| 11:28.22 | BlueFish | As in without PuTTY |
| 11:28.26 | CcSsNET | yea use PuTTY its small and secure |
| 11:28.36 | Jeeves_Moss | blueSmurf: I tried changing the root dir, but every time I do (and after a restart), it won't show the html pages in that dir |
| 11:28.40 | caffei | dondelelcaro, hrm, maybe it'd be a good idea to enable CONFIG_SECURITY_CAPABILITIES :o ... a disk scheduler has nothing to do with nice, apparently. |
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| 11:28.45 | BlueFish | Or is there a web version perheps? |
| 11:28.47 | roxy_ | Jeeves_Moss: you still need to know debian basic :-) |
| 11:28.49 | CcSsNET | hmm otherwise i dont know what the hell he did since windows has no ssh implementation |
| 11:29.05 | CcSsNET | well theres java apps he could new of online somewhere |
| 11:29.08 | CcSsNET | webpage based |
| 11:29.10 | CcSsNET | for ssh |
| 11:29.10 | blueSmurf | Jeeves_Moss, you could edit /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default |
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| 11:29.18 | mithro | ahh snapshot not snapshots |
| 11:29.21 | Jeeves_Moss | roxy_: I don't know what I did, I got it onfigured and working on another computer, now I can't rember how |
| 11:29.32 | blueSmurf | Jeeves_Moss, change DocumentRoot /var/www/ |
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| 11:29.41 | blueSmurf | Jeeves_Moss, for the new one you want. |
| 11:29.55 | blueSmurf | Jeeves_Moss, Dont know if it the best way to go... |
| 11:30.15 | CcSsNET | putty is a small exe that can fit on a floppy no install needed btw |
| 11:30.23 | Jeeves_Moss | bluesmurf: I just did, then fired up a browser, and it gives me lip |
| 11:30.25 | BlueFish | CcSsNET, that's what I thought but I was wondering if anyone knew of one of these online SSH... things |
| 11:30.34 | CcSsNET | hmmm |
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| 11:30.38 | CcSsNET | ccssnet.phoenix-hosting.org |
| 11:30.45 | CcSsNET | browse my links archive ;) |
| 11:30.46 | blueSmurf | Jeeves_Moss, make sure you have no RedirectMatch ^/$ /apache2-default/ |
| 11:30.50 | CcSsNET | maybe youll find one |
| 11:30.56 | blueSmurf | Jeeves_Moss, or comment it out. |
| 11:31.14 | blueSmurf | then /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 11:31.21 | Jeeves_Moss | bluesmurf: ok, I'll keep looking. I've been @ this config of this lappy for over 14 hours. |
| 11:31.32 | CcSsNET | 14 hours |
| 11:31.34 | CcSsNET | O.O |
| 11:31.37 | CcSsNET | -.- |
| 11:31.39 | CcSsNET | O.O |
| 11:31.44 | BlueFish | Also, I assume that the computer must be turned on for this to work? |
| 11:31.56 | blueSmurf | BlueFish, not at all. |
| 11:31.58 | CcSsNET | uhhhh id assume so |
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| 11:32.00 | Jeeves_Moss | CcSsNET: yea, I've got a lot on my mind, so I'm not sleeping. |
| 11:32.12 | CcSsNET | unless wake on lan is enabled |
| 11:32.15 | blueSmurf | BlueFish, I login to turned of computers all the time :) |
| 11:32.17 | mithro | hrm, i'm after the kernel-source 2.6.10 |
| 11:32.22 | CcSsNET | and it has a dhcp still assigned to it |
| 11:32.24 | CcSsNET | or a stati |
| 11:32.26 | CcSsNET | c |
| 11:32.28 | rysiek|pl | hi there guys, is there a way of uninstalling a package WITH ALL the packages that depend on that package? |
| 11:32.34 | BlueFish | sounds stupid to ask but it's possible to just have the internet on without the PC being on |
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| 11:32.54 | dooglus | rysiek|pl: debfoster can do that |
| 11:32.56 | CcSsNET | not sure that makes sence at all |
| 11:33.05 | jm_ | rysiek|pl: apt-get/aptitude do that automatically |
| 11:33.06 | Jeeves_Moss | bluesmurf: forgot about the "sites-enabled" folder |
| 11:33.07 | CcSsNET | rethink it yourself and then resay it to us |
| 11:33.14 | poncha|laptop | how can i get all lines of a file starting with line N ? (N=4mil smth in my case) |
| 11:33.17 | CcSsNET | BlueFish* |
| 11:33.17 | dooglus | jm_: apt-get doesn't. |
| 11:33.21 | BlueFish | although... I have a strange tingly feeling that you are being sarcastic |
| 11:33.23 | BlueFish | lol |
| 11:33.36 | blueSmurf | BlueFish, jeje, true, sorry only joking. |
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| 11:33.40 | jm_ | dooglus: yes it does |
| 11:33.48 | CcSsNET | poncha easy |
| 11:33.56 | CcSsNET | do this |
| 11:33.58 | BlueFish | It's a shame though, it's an awful waste of electricity. |
| 11:34.00 | dooglus | jm_: with which command? |
| 11:34.07 | BlueFish | to leave it on all the time i mean |
| 11:34.09 | blueSmurf | Sorry, hehe, I was laughing in spanish ;) |
| 11:34.09 | CcSsNET | cat filename | grep N |
| 11:34.11 | Kladden | I cant use ubuntu I'm so bad :( |
| 11:34.12 | Jeeves_Moss | bluesmurf: now the broweser is telling me the conncection is refused. |
| 11:34.14 | jm_ | dooglus: apt-get remove foo ... |
| 11:34.17 | rysiek|pl | jm_: like: apt-get remove <package_name> |
| 11:34.24 | dooglus | jm_: apt-get remove foo doesn't remove foo's dependencies |
| 11:34.25 | jm_ | rysiek|pl: yes, exactly |
| 11:34.27 | blueSmurf | Jeeves_Moss, are you sure apache is running ? |
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| 11:34.44 | jm_ | dooglus: he wanted to remove packages that depend on foo |
| 11:34.58 | blueSmurf | Jeeves_Moss, do a ps ax|grep apache2 |
| 11:35.10 | Jeeves_Moss | bluesmurf: yea, its running |
| 11:35.20 | dooglus | jm_: did you want to remove packages that depend on the package you're removing? or the packages that it depends on? |
| 11:35.26 | BlueFish | Kladden, ubuntu has it's tricky moments |
| 11:35.35 | dooglus | um. |
| 11:35.39 | CcSsNET | ok all im out ill be back in a few hours |
| 11:35.40 | dooglus | same question to number 2 please |
| 11:35.44 | Kladden | I want windows back |
| 11:35.50 | BlueFish | NO! |
| 11:35.53 | rysiek|pl | jm_: ok, thx |
| 11:35.55 | CcSsNET | ccssnet.phoenix-hosting.org for contact info on me ttyl |
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| 11:35.57 | Kladden | I'm serius |
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| 11:36.09 | BlueFish | How long have you been using Linux? |
| 11:36.12 | Kladden | It was easyer |
| 11:36.17 | CcSsNET | 2 hours ^ |
| 11:36.18 | CcSsNET | cough |
| 11:36.21 | CcSsNET | ;) |
| 11:36.25 | Kladden | 24 hours |
| 11:36.27 | Jeeves_Moss | blueSmurf: ok, any ideas on the borwser saying the connection was refused? |
| 11:36.30 | CcSsNET | close ^ |
| 11:36.33 | Kladden | one day |
| 11:36.34 | CcSsNET | ^.^ |
| 11:36.35 | blueSmurf | BlueFish, bugger, so true. I have ubuntu at work and it randomly crashes firefox, emacs ... not happy at all. |
| 11:36.40 | CcSsNET | ok ok im leaving now lol |
| 11:36.45 | BlueFish | 24 hours? and you think everyone doesn't go through this? |
| 11:36.55 | blueSmurf | Jeeves_Moss, not really. |
| 11:36.57 | BlueFish | the feeling of hopelessness? |
| 11:37.00 | Fox | hi |
| 11:37.09 | CcSsNET | ubuntu is CRAP |
| 11:37.10 | BlueFish | the anger? frustration? |
| 11:37.13 | CcSsNET | sorry had to say that |
| 11:37.14 | Kladden | I cant find msn messenger. If I had it I wil be glad again |
| 11:37.25 | dooglus | CcSsNET: what's wrong with it? |
| 11:37.30 | BlueFish | ubuntu is kinda crap, although good for beginners |
| 11:37.31 | Jeeves_Moss | BlueSmurf:??? you still here? |
| 11:37.37 | blueSmurf | Jeeves_Moss, If apache is running it should at least give an error message. |
| 11:37.42 | BlueFish | I prefer Debian. |
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| 11:37.51 | CcSsNET | CcSsNET's P3 Stats: |
| 11:37.52 | CcSsNET | Hostname: lauder - OS: Linux 2.6.8-2-686-smp/i686 - Distro: Debian 3.1 - CPU: 2 x Pentium III (Coppermine) (999.865 MHz) - Processes: 90 - Uptime: 20d 5h 22m - Users: 5 - Load Average: 2.02 - Memory Usage: 174.29MB/1011.76MB (17.23%) - Disk Usage: 19.52GB/25.59GB (76.31%) |
| 11:37.52 | CcSsNET | /dev/md0 26G 20G 4.3G 83% / |
| 11:37.52 | CcSsNET | md0 is a RAID 0 on 3 10,000 RPM SCSI drives |
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| 11:37.56 | CcSsNET | so do i |
| 11:37.59 | blueSmurf | Jeeves_Moss, yup. Im up and running. |
| 11:38.13 | Jeeves_Moss | blueSmurf: any ideas on this little issue? |
| 11:38.13 | BlueFish | Kladden, install Gaim |
| 11:38.20 | Kladden | why? |
| 11:38.22 | CcSsNET | gawh i really got to go ttyl |
| 11:38.25 | BlueFish | Gaim is a multi purpose IM client |
| 11:38.36 | Kladden | and so I get msn? |
| 11:38.50 | gartt | I wouldn't even say ubuntu is good for beginners- it's good in that it gives you a working linux without having to know it, but if you are looking to learn, it just teaches you to rely on GUI for getting around |
| 11:38.51 | Fox | Kladden: apt-get install amsn |
| 11:38.55 | Jeeves_Moss | BlueFish: Gaim ROCKS!!! Takes care of all the major clients. |
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| 11:39.18 | blueSmurf | Jeeves_Moss, what is the error message ? |
| 11:39.24 | BlueFish | Kladden, I use Gaim because I don't like amsn, but use whichever one you find easier |
| 11:39.30 | Jeeves_Moss | Gartt: its also good to get people using it to relize that Linux isn't that scary |
| 11:39.45 | Kladden | how do I find it? |
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| 11:39.52 | BlueFish | find it? |
| 11:39.54 | blueSmurf | BlueFish, I hate you. Im confused. I dont know if Im a Smurf or a fish now ... |
| 11:39.56 | Jeeves_Moss | BlueSmurf: "the connection was refused when attempting to contact localhost" |
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| 11:40.16 | blueSmurf | Jeeves_Moss, is that on localhost ?, or remote ? |
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| 11:40.25 | berzerka | hi guys. |
| 11:40.28 | elirips | hello. do you also have problems accessing security.debian.org? i get timeouts from time-to-time, sometimes it works... |
| 11:40.28 | Jeeves_Moss | BlueSmurf: everything is local host. |
| 11:40.30 | BlueFish | blueSmurf, I changed it cause it clashed with someone elses name |
| 11:40.52 | gartt | Jeeves_Moss: True I guess |
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| 11:41.00 | blueSmurf | Jeeves_Moss, and you are conecting to http://localhost/ ? |
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| 11:41.04 | BlueFish | Kladden, open terminal (in the first menu under applications) |
| 11:41.09 | blueSmurf | Jeeves_Moss, or using the ip ? |
| 11:41.15 | Jeeves_Moss | blueSmurf: yep. exact syntax |
| 11:41.15 | berzerka | can someone tell me how many bytes are transferred with a single ide interrupt? |
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| 11:41.33 | berzerka | i guess 4.. 32/8. |
| 11:41.40 | BlueFish | then type apt-get install amsn |
| 11:41.49 | blueSmurf | Jeeves_Moss, stupid question: you can ping to localhost ? |
| 11:41.49 | BlueFish | or apt-get install gaim |
| 11:42.04 | BlueFish | or better still, look in synaptic package manager |
| 11:42.04 | Jeeves_Moss | blueSmurf: yea, that was the first thing I was thinking about. |
| 11:42.21 | ghenry | morning all |
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| 11:42.34 | Kladden | what most I doo next? |
| 11:42.38 | blueSmurf | Jeeves_Moss, mmmm, tricky. |
| 11:42.46 | Fox | Jeeves_Moss: what does lsof -i:80 say ? |
| 11:42.51 | Jeeves_Moss | blueSmurf: lol, see why I'm on here asking? |
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| 11:43.05 | blueSmurf | Jeeves_Moss, sounds like something silly you have forgot to set ... |
| 11:43.12 | BlueFish | Kladden, are you still here? |
| 11:43.14 | Jeeves_Moss | BlueSmurf: MySQL, HL2 server, etc went in with out a hitch. |
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| 11:44.01 | BlueFish | Kladden is Norwedgian? |
| 11:44.11 | Kladden | Yes I am |
| 11:44.17 | BlueFish | I thought so |
| 11:44.31 | Kladden | VTalking very bad English |
| 11:44.34 | Jeeves_Moss | blueSmurf: scratching your head? |
| 11:44.40 | berzerka | yesterday evening i started a filesystem check using fsck.ext2 -c -f -p -v /dev/hdc3. after hours, nothing happened, no output at all. top says that a badblock sub-process is running, taking ~10-50% cpu. this morning, it was still running. the partition is ~90GB. is that realistic? |
| 11:44.44 | BlueFish | It's pretty good actually |
| 11:44.45 | blueSmurf | Jeeves_Moss, pretty much, yes. |
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| 11:45.22 | BlueFish | Kladden, stick with Linux for a couple of weeks and see how you feel then. |
| 11:45.29 | Jeeves_Moss | blueSmurf: well, I'd like to get it working. Its just a web server thats a STATS gen for HL2. Nothing big, but it would be nice to have running. |
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| 11:45.51 | dv_ | BlueFish, depends on what you want to do with Linux, doesnt it? |
| 11:46.04 | Kladden | hehe if I get back my ordinary things I could liked it better |
| 11:46.14 | BlueFish | Well yes, admitedly |
| 11:46.20 | berzerka | well, i went to find out whether badblocks was actually doing its job, and discovered /proc/interrupts. i saw that the ide interrupt counter is constantly increasing. nice i think. |
| 11:46.20 | BlueFish | oops spelling |
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| 11:46.43 | dv_ | hmmm is python included in debian by default? |
| 11:47.06 | BlueFish | In the version i have yes |
| 11:47.17 | Jeeves_Moss | blueSmurf: I'll take that as a no? |
| 11:47.20 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 11:47.20 | dpkg | <abrotman> Phated: i just got 10 inches the other night |
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| 11:47.28 | dv_ | I mean because of the build system I'm testing |
| 11:47.40 | dv_ | its python-based, instead of m4 |
| 11:47.56 | Fox | Jeeves_Moss: did you see my question ? |
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| 11:48.03 | Jeeves_Moss | fox: no, sorry. |
| 11:48.04 | konfuzed | hey does the theplanet.com send a lot of spam ? any chance any body would know |
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| 11:48.13 | Zrin | is SMP kernel only for multiprocessor machines? |
| 11:48.14 | Fox | Jeeves_Moss: what does lsof -i:80 say ? |
| 11:48.18 | konfuzed | is there some where to rate email marketing abusers |
| 11:48.23 | tarzeau | Zrin: no it also works on single cpu ones |
| 11:48.28 | Jeeves_Moss | fox:?? what does that do? |
| 11:48.44 | Zrin | tarzeau: is there any difference for single processor? |
| 11:48.55 | tarzeau | Zrin: yes |
| 11:49.01 | Jeeves_Moss | fox: dosen't print anything. |
| 11:49.05 | Kladden | baah-.- |
| 11:49.15 | Fox | Jeeves_Moss: did you type it as root ? |
| 11:49.21 | Fox | man lsof to know what it does |
| 11:49.23 | Jeeves_Moss | fox: yes |
| 11:49.27 | Zrin | tarzeau: where can I find a description of the differences? |
| 11:49.34 | tarzeau | Zrin: kernel documentation |
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| 11:49.38 | Jeeves_Moss | fox: just moves down to the next line. |
| 11:49.49 | berzerka | now my question: is it possible to estimate the size badblocks will take with something like: measure the time i need for 100 ide interrupts, lets say a minute. 100 interrupts == 400 byte, -> 400byte per min. 90GB = 90*1024^3byte ==> T = 90*1024^3by / 400bypm = ? m ? |
| 11:49.50 | Fox | Jeeves_Moss: typed it as root and it doesn't show anything ? the apache is not running on port 80... |
| 11:50.00 | Fox | s/the/then/ |
| 11:50.17 | Jeeves_Moss | fox: ok, when I typed it, as I said, it just entered down to the next line. |
| 11:50.40 | Fox | Jeeves_Moss: then apache is not runing on port 80, and probably not runing at all |
| 11:50.54 | blueSmurf | Jeeves_Moss, lsof -i:80 gives me something like : apache2 9385 root 3u IPv6 12638 TCP *:www (LISTEN) |
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| 11:51.08 | tarzeau | berzerka: you know badblocks can be verbose? |
| 11:51.08 | Jeeves_Moss | fox: I just did a /etc/init.d/apache2 start and its STILL giving me that error. |
| 11:51.12 | tarzeau | berzerka: try -v |
| 11:51.17 | Fox | TCP *:www (LISTEN) means that apache is listening on port 80 on any IP of the server |
| 11:51.24 | Fox | what error ? |
| 11:51.26 | BlueFish | BlueSmurf, just to make you happy, I'll cjhange the nick |
| 11:51.34 | tarzeau | berzerka: also try -s |
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| 11:51.42 | blueSmurf | BlueFish, no. dont. Ill convert. |
| 11:51.49 | RedFish | Too late |
| 11:51.52 | blueSmurf | LOL |
| 11:52.00 | Kladden | I dont fix this S**T!!!!! |
| 11:52.06 | Jeeves_Moss | fox: "the connection was refused when attempting to contact localhost" |
| 11:52.10 | Fox | hu |
| 11:52.12 | blueSmurf | RedFish, is that some kind of trout ? |
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| 11:52.51 | Jeeves_Moss | Fox: see? I'm frustrated. thats why I wanted to purge EVERYTHING out, and start fresh. |
| 11:53.16 | Fox | can you paste the exact message to http://channels.debian.net/paste/ ? |
| 11:53.31 | Fox | Jeeves_Moss: I hope you looked at apache's error logs |
| 11:53.37 | blueSmurf | Jeeves_Moss, does apache2 work before you change the DocumentRoot ? |
| 11:53.40 | Jeeves_Moss | Fox: that is the exact msg. I'm not on the effected comp |
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| 11:54.32 | Jeeves_Moss | blueSmurf: is there a way to purge EVERYTHING that was installed with apache, apache2, and PHP5 (including ALL config files?) |
| 11:54.55 | blueSmurf | Jeeves_Moss, with the --purge you did before... |
| 11:55.27 | blueSmurf | Jeeves_Moss, you could remove and after delete any apache conf files left behind. |
| 11:55.39 | poncha|laptop | blueSmurf, i think he means he want to purge also the packages that were installed as deps |
| 11:55.44 | Fox | Jeeves_Moss: and what does 'apache2ctl configtest' say ? |
| 11:55.53 | laurens | Ecade: that isn't very nice. |
| 11:55.56 | Jeeves_Moss | Fox: one sec, purging. |
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| 11:56.30 | Jeeves_Moss | blueSmurf: how do I delete a full directory? |
| 11:56.39 | Kladden | back and I still dont fix this |
| 11:57.01 | blueSmurf | Jeeves_Moss, rm -ri /etc/apache2 |
| 11:57.09 | Kladden | I wabt my "old" pc back :( |
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| 11:57.24 | blueSmurf | Kladden, gaim not working for you ? |
| 11:57.38 | Kladden | thats right |
| 11:57.54 | Jeeves_Moss | fox: how do I delete a full directory? |
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| 11:58.15 | blueSmurf | Jeeves_Moss, rm -ri /etc/apache2 |
| 11:58.53 | Kladden | I want too kill him who gave mee the Linux innstal cd :@ |
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| 11:59.52 | Jeeves_Moss | ok, fresh install done. |
| 12:00.04 | Jeeves_Moss | Fox, blueSmurf: now, lets do this right. |
| 12:00.16 | blueSmurf | Kladden, I would. Linux is so lame. |
| 12:00.22 | Kladden | Gaim dosn't want too log in |
| 12:00.35 | blueSmurf | Jeeves_Moss, first. start up apache to see if it works. |
| 12:00.51 | blueSmurf | Kladden, does it give an error ? |
| 12:00.57 | Kladden | yes |
| 12:01.05 | blueSmurf | Kladden, what is it ? |
| 12:01.21 | Jeeves_Moss | blueSmurf: one sec. |
| 12:01.40 | Kladden | I'm logging in but sop it standing that I'm logging out at a eindow |
| 12:01.43 | blueSmurf | bugger. dont like secpanel. |
| 12:01.50 | Kladden | window* |
| 12:02.02 | kimo_ | anyone has experience optimizing Linux for old hardware PII/64M |
| 12:02.12 | Jeeves_Moss | blueSmurf: ok, I get a directry listing (not the usal apache splash screen) |
| 12:02.38 | Kladden | Linux destroyed my pc :( |
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| 12:02.47 | Fox | Kladden: no it didn't |
| 12:02.50 | blueSmurf | Jeeves_Moss, is that the contents of the DocumentRoot ? |
| 12:02.59 | Rapp | packages.debian.org times out for me -- is it down? |
| 12:03.02 | Kladden | Fox: yes it did |
| 12:03.06 | Jeeves_Moss | blueSmurf: and strange enough, I have a directory in the webrot of "apache2-default" |
| 12:03.13 | blueSmurf | Fox, It did more than that. It smashed his dreams. |
| 12:03.13 | Jeeves_Moss | fox: you want to get in on this? |
| 12:03.16 | Fox | Kladden: the problem with linux usually stands between the chair and the keyboard |
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| 12:03.41 | Kladden | I coud never instaled it |
| 12:03.41 | Fox | Jeeves_Moss: still no luck getting localhost on port 80 ? |
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| 12:03.49 | blueSmurf | Fox, Pebkac ! |
| 12:03.59 | Jeeves_Moss | Fox: now I get a directory listing of the server root. So far so good I guess. |
| 12:04.04 | Fox | blueSmurf :) |
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| 12:04.11 | blueSmurf | Jeeves_Moss, ok, so apache is working now then ? |
| 12:04.36 | Fox | Jeeves_Moss: default apache conf is ok then, try not to mess with it ;) |
| 12:04.37 | Kladden | doo you know a site I can go too if I want windows back? Please help me |
| 12:04.50 | Jeeves_Moss | blueSmurf: looks like it, now I need to get this htdocs directory changed so I can get my stats page up (and PHPmyAdmin) |
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| 12:05.02 | blueSmurf | Jeeves_Moss, now just edit /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default and change the DocumentRoot for the one you want. |
| 12:05.03 | Fox | Kladden: you want to reinstall windows just for msn ? install amsn and try again |
| 12:05.16 | postel | gaim |
| 12:05.22 | blueSmurf | Jeeves_Moss, cant you just make a symlink or something ? |
| 12:05.29 | Jeeves_Moss | blueSmurf: ok, so that should change everything over? |
| 12:06.01 | blueSmurf | Jeeves_Moss, yes, well, it would change the default directory apache serves on startup. |
| 12:06.15 | Kladden | 32 bot or 64 bit? |
| 12:06.40 | blueSmurf | Fox, I would reinstall windows for MSN ... Its not much usefull for anything else :) |
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| 12:07.14 | Fox | blueSmurf: I agree, but he can use msn on debian and have a lot of other interesting things :) |
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| 12:07.49 | blueSmurf | Fox, yeah, but if he's only gonna chat, I dont see him hacking in perl too soon :) |
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| 12:08.20 | Fox | blueSmurf: I don't hacked on anything but use debian for years anyway :) |
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| 12:08.34 | Fox | s/hacked on/hack in/ |
| 12:08.43 | blueSmurf | oh boy I missed this. I have been using gentoo for the last 3 years (before I only used debian)... Its nice to be back. |
| 12:08.54 | Kladden | coud not open amsn0_95 |
| 12:09.05 | Fox | kladden: open ? |
| 12:09.18 | Kladden | dont working |
| 12:09.34 | Fox | Kladden: log in as root, type apt-get install amsn, log in as normal user, type in amsn |
| 12:10.01 | blueSmurf | Fox: is amsn better than GAIM ? |
| 12:10.02 | dooglus | where can I put lines to be run when I boot? for example to set up iptables? |
| 12:10.48 | Fox | blueSmurf: got webcam support ;) |
| 12:10.54 | blueSmurf | Fox: cool |
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| 12:11.22 | blueSmurf | bugger. Installed amsn and all my contacts are offline !! |
| 12:11.23 | Kladden | I give up |
| 12:11.31 | Kladden | Let get windows back |
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| 12:11.38 | blueSmurf | Kladden, never give up. |
| 12:11.42 | Kladden | just give mee an adress |
| 12:11.50 | blueSmurf | Kladden, try until you die :) |
| 12:11.57 | Kladden | I dont want too |
| 12:11.58 | Fox | an address for what ? |
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| 12:12.06 | Kladden | I want windows back |
| 12:12.13 | Fox | then boot on your windows CD |
| 12:12.15 | dooglus | Kladden: this isn't the place for windows support |
| 12:12.15 | fireba11 | dooglus: adding a script to runlevel would be reasonable |
| 12:12.15 | Kladden | My old pc was better for mee |
| 12:12.24 | Kladden | I dont care |
| 12:12.32 | blueSmurf | Kladden, go to a store, buy a windows CD, install it... |
| 12:12.33 | fireba11 | Kladden: but we do |
| 12:12.58 | Kladden | ok that wil take a long time |
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| 12:13.00 | blueSmurf | Kladden, did you install gaim ?, amsn ? |
| 12:13.18 | gartt | Kladden: You don't have better things to do with your time than troll? |
| 12:13.18 | Kladden | I did but they wil stil not open |
| 12:13.20 | blueSmurf | Kladden, I just installed amsn... worked in a blink. |
| 12:13.25 | elirips | hello. does /etc/apt/preferences accept lines like 'Package: kde*' (To get all kde-stuff from backports.org)? |
| 12:13.36 | gartt | Worked fine for me too- amsn and gaim both |
| 12:13.38 | Fox | elirips: yes |
| 12:14.00 | Kladden | strange |
| 12:14.02 | blueSmurf | Kladden, run them from a console and say what errors you get. |
| 12:14.18 | RedFish | Hi I'm on a router and I was wondering, how do I allow people to visit my server using my IP address? |
| 12:14.21 | gartt | "it won't run" doesn't help much |
| 12:14.29 | elirips | thank you Fox. I already have installed some parts of kde using 'aptitude install -t sarge-backports xxx', but it should not matter if I add a 'Package: kde*' now in /e/a/preferneces, not? |
| 12:14.47 | Kladden | it standing on Norwegian |
| 12:14.54 | fireba11 | RedFish: port forward from router to the box in question |
| 12:15.12 | RedFish | as in port 80? |
| 12:15.16 | RedFish | tried that |
| 12:15.19 | fireba11 | RedFish: precisely |
| 12:15.27 | Fox | elirips: did you read http://www.backports.org/instructions.html ? |
| 12:15.30 | Kladden | coud not show /Desktop/amsn-0.95-1.linux-installer.x86_64.bin». |
| 12:15.30 | RedFish | doesn't seem to work. |
| 12:15.44 | fireba11 | RedFish: it should though .. gimme some details |
| 12:15.51 | RedFish | the person on the other computer attached to mine gat see the site but no-one outside! |
| 12:15.59 | RedFish | details? such as? |
| 12:16.03 | Fox | Kladden: your not using windows, double clicking on a .deb file won't install it... |
| 12:16.11 | blueSmurf | Kladden, did you run 'apt-get install gaim amsn' from a console ? |
| 12:16.21 | elirips | Fox: yes. I installed it with '-t' as I did not know about the 'kde*'. If I only added like 'Package: kdebase' it did not install anything because of the dependencies. |
| 12:16.26 | fireba11 | RedFish: is the router hardware or software ? any firewalls in between the box and the net ? |
| 12:16.39 | blueSmurf | Fox, I guess that is a mejor usability problem ... I think it should really. |
| 12:16.43 | Kladden | My brain is burning. jou talking complicaded |
| 12:16.56 | blueSmurf | Kladden, no complication. |
| 12:17.18 | Kladden | hope my mother comes from work very fast |
| 12:17.19 | Fox | blueSmurf: burn in hell !! |
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| 12:17.39 | blueSmurf | Kladden, open a terminal (go to start menu - Applications - Terminal) |
| 12:17.48 | RedFish | there is a firewall, and its hardware |
| 12:18.25 | fireba11 | ah .. etch installer beta2 is ready :-) |
| 12:18.33 | blueSmurf | Fox, no. Better still. Ill make a click n' install for debian ! |
| 12:18.37 | fireba11 | RedFish: i take the port is open there ? |
| 12:18.42 | elirips | Fox: now i added 'Package: kde*; Pin: release a=sarge-backports; Pin-Priority: 999' to /e/a/preferences, did an aptitude update, but if i now do a 'aptitude install kde-i18n-hu' it still wants do download version 3.3, and not 3.5. what am i doing wrong? |
| 12:18.54 | RedFish | well it's forwarded |
| 12:19.11 | RedFish | but do you mean in the actual firewall? |
| 12:19.23 | fireba11 | RedFish: make sure that its# forwarded implies it's acceppting connections at that port too ;-) |
| 12:20.31 | Fox | elirips: never really used apt-pining, I might not really be helpful for this problem, sorry |
| 12:20.58 | RedFish | well under the port forwarding, it says my address is a DMZ and port 80 is forwarded (public and Private) |
| 12:21.02 | elirips | thank you fox. maybe someone else got me a hint? |
| 12:21.28 | fireba11 | RedFish: that sounds okay to me |
| 12:22.01 | RedFish | well try this then: http://10.1.1.2 |
| 12:22.15 | fireba11 | RedFish ? that is a private IP |
| 12:22.34 | RedFish | but my public IP just goes to the router login screen |
| 12:22.56 | fireba11 | RedFish: then the router is running it's own webserver on port 80 |
| 12:22.56 | blueSmurf | Jeeves_Moss, are you still here ? did you solve your problem ? |
| 12:22.58 | Kladden | brb |
| 12:23.20 | kronoz | hey, i've got a problem with openoffice, I install with apt-get but it doesn't seem to install any executables |
| 12:23.23 | RedFish | 211.26.241.61 or at least this address does |
| 12:23.32 | kronoz | openoffice: /etc/openoffice /usr/lib/openoffice /usr/share/openoffice /usr/share/man/man1/openoffice.1.gz |
| 12:23.37 | fireba11 | RedFish: that should normally be reachable only from local lan since it will eb a security hole otherwise |
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| 12:23.59 | RedFish | so how do I let other people reach it? |
| 12:24.09 | fireba11 | RedFish: give them the public IP |
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| 12:24.37 | RedFish | 211.26.241.61? |
| 12:24.41 | Fox | elirips: did you check man 5 apt_preferences ? |
| 12:24.54 | rhalff_ | what is the easiest way to serve a hardcoded host file ? is there something like reallyeasydsn ? :) |
| 12:25.02 | fireba11 | RedFish: yep, taht one is working an d showing default apache page |
| 12:25.02 | elirips | Fox: I had a short look at it, i'm asking google now.. |
| 12:25.10 | RedFish | really? |
| 12:25.14 | RedFish | YAY!!! |
| 12:25.15 | fireba11 | RedFish: yes |
| 12:25.33 | RedFish | although it doesn't work for me... only the private one does |
| 12:25.39 | rhalff_ | basically, I have a list of 100 domains and I know the ip's I want to give them. |
| 12:26.07 | tarzeau | !seen antonym |
| 12:26.08 | dpkg | antonym <~gavinb@c220-237-178-30.lowrp1.vic.optusnet.com.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 274d 4h 47m 19s ago, saying: 'jetx: never! :) I just avoid dselect due to its actively hostile interface, but - hey, if it works...'. |
| 12:26.20 | SerajewelKS | rhalff_: bind will do the trick |
| 12:26.22 | fireba11 | RedFish: than the port redirect works only from internet side .. probably because for lan side it shows router config page |
| 12:26.27 | tarzeau | sussudio_: say something! |
| 12:26.38 | RedFish | fireba11, go to http://211.26.241.61/music.html |
| 12:26.43 | RedFish | what do you see? |
| 12:26.55 | fireba11 | RedFish: your winamp playlist ... :-D |
| 12:27.01 | RedFish | Thank you!!!!! |
| 12:27.08 | RedFish | I could kiss you right now!!! |
| 12:27.30 | fireba11 | RedFish: if you're not a girl i would appreciate if you resist the urge .. :-)= |
| 12:27.45 | rhalff_ | SerajewelKS, I need to setup a custom dns for a test server, I generate a record of all files and append a test domain to it, isn't bind a bit overkill ? I would like a host like file, but serve it to the network. |
| 12:27.59 | rhalff_ | s/all files/all domains/ |
| 12:28.17 | SerajewelKS | rhalff_: that's more or less what bind does, isn't it? |
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| 12:29.10 | dooglus | fireba11: did you see the whole playing? |
| 12:29.15 | dooglus | fireba11: I saw less than half of it |
| 12:29.42 | fireba11 | dooglus: there were some broken characters halfway .. |
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| 12:29.49 | RedFish | thankyou!!!!!!! |
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| 12:30.10 | rhalff_ | SerajewelKS, bind needs more configuration then just one file hosts I think, but will look at bind again :) |
| 12:30.19 | jeef | is there any convenient way to connect to a remote ssh server through an http proxy? (machine_a -> [proxy] -> machine_b, not vice versa) |
| 12:30.38 | Fox | rhalff_: maybe try djbdns |
| 12:31.15 | Fox | jeef: ssh over http ? ôO |
| 12:31.49 | fireba11 | dooglus: but that seems to be a completely different problem anyway :-) |
| 12:31.50 | dooglus | RedFish: that playlist URL seems very broken to me. |
| 12:32.10 | dooglus | RedFish: like sometimes it stops half way through and then restarts at the top. |
| 12:32.13 | dv_ | hey what do you guys use for developing? |
| 12:32.15 | rhalff_ | Fox, ah that looks simpler thanks |
| 12:32.30 | fireba11 | dooglus: probably the file is b0rked |
| 12:33.14 | dooglus | fireba11: I think it's more than that. I got these lines in the body: |
| 12:33.24 | dooglus | e: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 12:29:47 GMT |
| 12:33.27 | dooglus | Content-T..ype: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 |
| 12:33.28 | dv_ | I mean, what IDE/editor? |
| 12:33.50 | dooglus | (with two "." characters inside the Content-Type) |
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| 12:34.05 | fireba11 | dooglus: i got the exactly same thing here |
| 12:34.20 | dooglus | fireba11: I wonder if it's remotely exploitable :) |
| 12:34.24 | plbgnr_ | hello, is it possible to set some options for curl or wget in such way, that it would be able to get file which isn't linked direct, but is sent by script: for example www.server.com/file.php and in browser I get file compressed.gz ??? I looked in man but didn't see such option - but I ma newbie ;) |
| 12:34.56 | dooglus | plbgnr_: you can pipe wget output through gunzip |
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| 12:35.50 | fireba11 | dooglus: that's not what he wants |
| 12:36.03 | fireba11 | plbgnr_: if you use the whole URL it should work |
| 12:36.34 | RedFish | fireba11 |
| 12:36.52 | RedFish | go back to the address and tell me if it is still working please |
| 12:37.11 | jerome | someone using mod_auth_ldap and have it working on a debian apache 2.0.55 now ? I wonder if that's even possible to get working. |
| 12:37.26 | RedFish | who is? |
| 12:37.29 | RedFish | me? |
| 12:38.08 | RedFish | fireba11? |
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| 12:38.13 | RedFish | anything? |
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| 12:38.57 | blueSmurf | brb |
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| 12:39.30 | george_ | dv_: one-hour photo |
| 12:39.38 | plbgnr_ | fireba11:ok it works just name of file isn't regular ....'download' in my case ...is possible to avoid this? |
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| 12:39.58 | dv_ | george_, huh? |
| 12:40.15 | george_ | you wanted to know what we use for developing... |
| 12:40.35 | jeef | Fox, yes. ssh using an http proxy. |
| 12:40.37 | dv_ | but whats one-hour photo? :) |
| 12:40.46 | george_ | a place that develops |
| 12:40.48 | george_ | photos |
| 12:40.55 | jeef | it's possible, using a wrapper, but i forgot the name of the wrapper i previously used |
| 12:41.07 | george_ | seriously... |
| 12:41.38 | george_ | I use aolserver, tcl, emacs, postgres and the api/object system provided by openacs primarily |
| 12:41.50 | george_ | but you have your choice of thousands of things |
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| 12:42.18 | dv_ | well, I'm sick of having to hop between the editor & the terminal |
| 12:42.24 | RedFish | ok, anyone, please go to http://211.26.241.61/music and tell me what you see! please!!!! |
| 12:42.28 | dv_ | and changing dir between the root & the build dir |
| 12:42.39 | RedFish | quickly to I'm kinda in a rush |
| 12:42.42 | dv_ | and, telling gdb where the sources are every time I want to debug |
| 12:42.58 | dv_ | so im looking for some ide |
| 12:43.25 | RedFish | anyone? |
| 12:43.32 | george_ | well emacs makes a pretty good ide |
| 12:43.33 | dv_ | unfortunately, the ones I found so far are either BIG, or wholly autotools-based (i.e. don't allow custom build modules) |
| 12:43.40 | RedFish | I'm kinda seperate here! |
| 12:43.51 | george_ | but I personally don't mind going back n forth and doing all that stuff |
| 12:43.53 | george_ | because |
| 12:43.56 | george_ | my ide is |
| 12:43.57 | RedFish | sorry desperate! |
| 12:43.58 | george_ | unix |
| 12:44.00 | plbgnr_ | jerome: last time I tried to use it on apache 1.3 but I wasn't successful; but for your case there are lots of usable informations on apache.org |
| 12:44.20 | RedFish | http://211.26.241.61/music ? anyone? |
| 12:44.40 | george_ | I never click on links without a summary line |
| 12:44.40 | RedFish | I *r*e*a*l*l*y need help |
| 12:44.47 | RedFish | summary line? |
| 12:44.54 | george_ | what is the site? |
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| 12:44.59 | tralala | !ops redfish is trolling |
| 12:45.00 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: redfish is trolling |
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| 12:45.15 | RedFish | It's my webserver! |
| 12:45.25 | george_ | and what is your question about it? |
| 12:45.32 | RedFish | I just need to make sure it's working |
| 12:45.36 | george_ | (no, I'm NOT gonig there first) |
| 12:45.38 | Ronin | and its not |
| 12:45.39 | george_ | then you go there |
| 12:45.41 | RedFish | outside of the router |
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| 12:45.53 | jerome | plbgnr_: I tried a lot of things, but it seems the usual workarounds don't work there. |
| 12:45.54 | nkuttler | RedFish: look at your logs |
| 12:45.56 | george_ | got a shell acct outside? |
| 12:45.57 | RedFish | no I need to check it from the external address |
| 12:46.05 | Ronin | RedFish: like ia said its not working |
| 12:46.10 | RedFish | no shell account |
| 12:46.10 | george_ | redfishes don't have legs |
| 12:46.15 | george_ | wait, logs? |
| 12:46.20 | george_ | oh, that's diferent |
| 12:46.20 | jerome | plbgnr_: mod_auth being compiled in on debian makes it difficult to "deactivate" it |
| 12:46.20 | RedFish | not working? |
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| 12:46.23 | george_ | never mind |
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| 12:47.14 | RedFish | I don't understand how that can be! it worked only 10 minutes ago! |
| 12:47.26 | Ronin | then undo what you changed |
| 12:47.28 | george_ | RedFish: explain the problem |
| 12:48.00 | RedFish | I didn't change anything, someone just told me they couldn't get on any more. |
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| 12:48.44 | RedFish | if i go on it I have to go to a different address |
| 12:48.57 | RedFish | internal address |
| 12:49.22 | george_ | the server is responding |
| 12:49.30 | RedFish | what do you see? |
| 12:49.34 | RedFish | apache? |
| 12:49.39 | george_ | telnet 211.26.241.61 80 |
| 12:49.39 | george_ | Trying 211.26.241.61... |
| 12:49.39 | george_ | Connected to 211.26.241.61. |
| 12:49.39 | george_ | Escape character is '^]'. |
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| 12:49.49 | Ronin | requested url not found, however the apache default is there |
| 12:49.52 | RedFish | did you telnet? |
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| 12:49.59 | RedFish | that's okay |
| 12:50.03 | george_ | that's what I see. |
| 12:50.05 | RedFish | it's meant to do that |
| 12:50.05 | Ronin | Apache/2.0.52 (Win32) PHP/5.0.2 Server at 211.26.241.61 Port 8 |
| 12:50.13 | george_ | yes I know |
| 12:50.15 | RedFish | 80? |
| 12:50.24 | RedFish | okay thanks everyone g2g |
| 12:50.54 | Ronin | im sure that was up to no good heh |
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| 12:52.29 | andrewtaylor_ | Hi, is there a known issue behind apt-get php4-mysql with apache2? |
| 12:52.43 | andrewtaylor_ | I've tried twice now and I'm getting --without-mysql |
| 12:53.03 | george_ | isn't there a bug tracking system you're supposed to check for "issues"? |
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| 12:53.12 | Rapp | andrewtaylor_, are you on sarge? got the same problem |
| 12:53.18 | andrewtaylor_ | yes on sarge |
| 12:53.24 | george_ | well |
| 12:53.28 | Rapp | george_, problem is i cannot reach packages.debian.org to check |
| 12:53.48 | george_ | if it's not built the way you want it get the source and build it how you want |
| 12:54.00 | tralala | Rapp: you don't need packages.debian.org but bugs.debian.org |
| 12:54.07 | Rapp | tralala, ok... |
| 12:54.17 | andrewtaylor_ | I would have thought that php4-mysql would deliver a php4 system with mysql configured - that's the point surely? |
| 12:54.18 | Rapp | george_, but php4-mysql should provide the correct stuff... |
| 12:54.27 | george_ | it's -not- in -any- way necessary for you to allow the debian binary packages to dictate to you what you can and cannot do (or build) |
| 12:54.43 | andrewtaylor_ | It's in the bts |
| 12:54.45 | george_ | what is "correct stuff" |
| 12:54.46 | andrewtaylor_ | thanks for your help |
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| 12:54.52 | Rapp | andrewtaylor_, what id? |
| 12:55.00 | andrewtaylor_ | 322436 |
| 12:55.02 | Rapp | thanks |
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| 12:55.30 | Tempest2k | anybody here got Xgl running on debian ? |
| 12:55.48 | george_ | you are root hear your floor |
| 12:56.17 | george_ | you've got too much access to ignore |
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| 12:58.29 | oracle^ | i have a TEST dir which is chmoded +t and 777, chowned user:user, when user creates a file inside TEST, is there a way to auto set the permissions to 777 for dirs, 666 for files ? (I man chmod, but I didn't find a solution to do such a thing ..) |
| 12:58.48 | george_ | man umask |
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| 12:59.32 | george_ | thereyago:) |
| 13:00.22 | oracle^ | george_, yeah but umask is a setting I have to set for "user" in bashrc for ex ? so every dirs & files he will create will have this mask ;.. but i only want in a specific directory |
| 13:00.46 | george_ | maybe you can't do that without infrastructure |
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| 13:01.14 | oracle^ | hmmm, infrastructure ? |
| 13:01.38 | Tempest2k | anybody here got Xgl running on debian ? |
| 13:01.43 | tarzeau | Tempest2k: no |
| 13:01.51 | GoAuLd | Tempest2k: Me |
| 13:02.28 | george_ | you'd have to build something on top of what's there, like a script system that looks at the cur dir and decides either to keep the current mask, or save it and set the mask to a value appropriate for the dir they put files in |
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| 13:02.56 | george_ | that may or may not be easy, depending on what hooks are available and how you approach it |
| 13:04.27 | Fox | oracle^: are they going to create files in a shell or via ftp ? |
| 13:04.28 | jerome | oracle^: samba, ftp servers provide this functionnality |
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| 13:04.56 | oracle^ | they will create files via both shell, ftp, samba ... |
| 13:05.22 | george_ | ok, the only way you can do that is by writing kernel code to do that |
| 13:05.51 | oracle^ | yeah it's out of my competences |
| 13:05.52 | oracle^ | hehe |
| 13:05.53 | george_ | well not the only way |
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| 13:06.18 | george_ | the other way is to alter the shell, the ftpd, samba to get what you want |
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| 13:06.22 | oracle^ | maybe u have a good tuto ? :) |
| 13:06.34 | Fox | maybe you could use filesystems acl, via grsec, then you wouldn't need to worry about the directory umask |
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| 13:06.44 | george_ | comp.lang.c faq has a list of C tutorials :) |
| 13:06.51 | george_ | if that's what you mean |
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| 13:08.33 | jerome | Fox: why grsec ? |
| 13:08.58 | jerome | iirc, thereis an acl inheritance system out of the box |
| 13:09.04 | andrewtaylor_ | I've had to manually install the AMD64 .deb of iptables to get around bug 341111. Now when I try and apt-get firehol, it wants to install iptables (the i386 ver), how can I get around this? |
| 13:09.16 | Fox | jerome: yes there is http://www.adelux.fr/libre/howto/en/samba_ext3_acl |
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| 13:09.28 | Fox | grsec is good anyway, even if not needed in that case |
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| 13:11.30 | oracle^ | Tx for the hints, I'm gonna think about which one to use :) |
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| 13:12.54 | jerome | oracle^: be aware that acl are pretty dependant on your FS |
| 13:13.05 | jerome | mind about your backup tools too |
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| 13:14.41 | locus | hmm..I experience occasional hangs when rebooting on some ibm servers (using 2.6.8-smp kernel). Anyone ever had the same problem? |
| 13:15.52 | SerajewelKS | andrewtaylor_: download the firehol .deb and install with dpkg --force-depends -i ___.deb |
| 13:16.26 | andrewtaylor_ | SerajewelKS - thanks |
| 13:16.37 | LSorensen | SerajewelKS: and when will the dependancies be solved? |
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| 13:17.02 | SerajewelKS | andrewtaylor_: 'apt-get -nd install firehol' will download all the necessary packages to /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 13:17.15 | SerajewelKS | LSorensen: how should i know |
| 13:17.35 | LSorensen | SerajewelKS: using force-depends means that apt-get will refuse to do anything in the future until you solve the dependancy issues |
| 13:17.52 | SerajewelKS | LSorensen: why are you telling me, i know |
| 13:18.02 | LSorensen | SerajewelKS: then don't tell people to use a force option |
| 13:18.16 | SerajewelKS | LSorensen: he asked how to do that. afaik that is the only way. |
| 13:18.35 | andrewtaylor_ | LSorensen - I had to force-arch for iptables on AMD64 - will this also cause dependancy hell? |
| 13:18.49 | LSorensen | SerajewelKS: sure until you run apt-get -f install which will either uninstall it due to broken dependancies, or install the dependancies that should have been installed in the first place. |
| 13:19.11 | LSorensen | andrewtaylor_: I don't know. I have never even considered forcing the arch |
| 13:19.11 | SerajewelKS | LSorensen: *shrug* he wants to work around dependencies, that is what he should expect. tell him, not me. |
| 13:19.38 | LSorensen | andrewtaylor_: are you running i386 with an amd64 kernel? |
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| 13:20.09 | andrewtaylor_ | nope, it's a bug |
| 13:20.28 | LSorensen | andrewtaylor_: why do you need iptables from a wrong architecture then? |
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| 13:20.58 | andrewtaylor_ | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=341111 |
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| 13:21.43 | LSorensen | andrewtaylor_: well that bug only applies to people running i386 wiht an amd64 kernel |
| 13:22.21 | andrewtaylor_ | well then I am, it was supplied by the hosting company |
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| 13:22.54 | st0ner | hi, i have trouble with my sound (nforce4 onboard/ac97) ... i cant hear anything except cat urandom > /dev/dsp ! some1 can help me with this alsa stuff? |
| 13:23.02 | LSorensen | andrewtaylor_: hmm. doesn't seem like a smart idea by the hosting company. that setup is quite a pain due to the kernel needing 64bit tools for a few things |
| 13:23.21 | andrewtaylor_ | okay thanks, i'll take it up with them |
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| 13:23.41 | LSorensen | andrewtaylor_: much simpler to run a k7 kernel and stay pure i386, or run pure amd64 |
| 13:23.45 | LSorensen | andrewtaylor_: then things work. |
| 13:24.15 | LSorensen | andrewtaylor_: or you get someone to do what the bug report says should be done, which is package the iptables as iptables-amd64 as an i386 package that provides iptables |
| 13:24.59 | LSorensen | andrewtaylor_: the suggestion in the bug report is fine, as long as nothing else depends on iptables |
| 13:25.09 | LSorensen | andrewtaylor_: which of course you discovered firehol does |
| 13:25.23 | st0ner | can anyone help me with alsa? |
| 13:26.00 | ramiro | st0ner, just ask the question |
| 13:26.22 | SerajewelKS | ramiro: he did |
| 13:26.24 | LSorensen | andrewtaylor_: of course I have seen kernel patches recently that try to fix the problem with iptables so that both 32 and 64bit tools will work on both 32 and 64bit kernels |
| 13:26.47 | st0ner | well, i just dont know how to track this prob (just no sound) |
| 13:26.57 | st0ner | but this oss thing works |
| 13:27.21 | st0ner | like cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 13:27.51 | wireddd | heh thats pretty funny |
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| 13:28.14 | st0ner | gnome-mixer sees my card and i can adjust the volume... |
| 13:28.21 | dorto | how to see the owner of a process, say apache? |
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| 13:29.11 | st0ner | ramiro: so i need a hint what i can do now... |
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| 13:31.21 | CcSsNET | hey all im back |
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| 13:32.57 | dorto | what user does apache server run under in debian? |
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| 13:33.20 | wireddd | www-data I think |
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| 13:33.33 | tehhh | www-data user and group |
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| 13:33.53 | dorto | ok, thx |
| 13:34.06 | dianewong | hello how can I have an user account locked so there's no password |
| 13:34.14 | dorto | how to see it? group -n apache2? |
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| 13:35.07 | CcSsNET | dainewong why not have a new password "passwd to set it" thus the user is locked out of the account |
| 13:35.20 | CcSsNET | . . . |
| 13:35.28 | tehhh | i have access server based on pppoe and debian, some 300 users behind it, doing all sorts of wild traffic (torrents, other p2p, viruses, etc), the e1000 driver for the ethernet card looking at them doesn't have NAPI enabled and with atop i can see that irq is taking about 20-50% cpu time (alot of requests). is there any way to optimize that except for NAPI support in the e1000 driver? i know it's more linux networking related question but .. ;-) |
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| 13:37.12 | dianewong | have the account locked so there's no password |
| 13:37.20 | dianewong | I wish that the user has no passwords at all and that he can' change his password |
| 13:37.22 | blueSmurf | CcSsNET, dianewong, you can edit /etc/passwd and put a * where the password is, no ? |
| 13:37.49 | blueSmurf | dianewong, ah!, then. take no notice of me. |
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| 13:38.15 | blueSmurf | dianewong, delete the password for tha user in /etc/passwd |
| 13:38.25 | wireddd | dianewong, why does it matter if the user can change his password? |
| 13:38.30 | jm_ | dianewong: man usermod 5 shadow |
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| 13:39.31 | J_P | hi all |
| 13:39.53 | J_P | people, anyone know one port of bwm-ng for debian stable ? I try in backports.org, but not find |
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| 13:41.03 | tehhh | wtf is bwm-ng ? |
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| 13:41.18 | dianewong | ok thanks |
| 13:41.37 | tehhh | i can't see suck package in etch neither in sid |
| 13:41.40 | tehhh | such* |
| 13:41.47 | dianewong | but now how can I disable screensaver with config files (gnome)? |
| 13:41.52 | dianewong | even the lock screen |
| 13:42.12 | tehhh | remove the xscreensaver package? |
| 13:42.43 | dianewong | there is not xscreensaver package |
| 13:43.02 | tehhh | :) |
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| 13:45.28 | SerajewelKS | !wayttd dianewong |
| 13:45.28 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, dianewong? |
| 13:46.24 | nvz | dianewong: or remove it from the gnome-session |
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| 13:47.31 | SerajewelKS | dianewong: why would you want to prevent a user from changing their password |
| 13:48.26 | dorto | does anyone know the irc channel for gftp? (or another popular ftp client for debian?) |
| 13:48.32 | hapoak | debian sarge sata disk problem my computer asus 300 gb sata disk partiton problem no hdd message? |
| 13:48.50 | jm_ | hapoak: is that a google query? |
| 13:49.00 | andrewtaylor_ | can anyone suggest a url where i can read about adding things to the startup of sarge |
| 13:49.04 | nvz | that would even confuse google |
| 13:49.29 | nvz | andrewtaylor_: /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh or man update-rc.d |
| 13:49.38 | andrewtaylor_ | nvz thanks |
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| 13:50.23 | nvz | andrewtaylor_: startup tasks are handled by scripts in /etc/init.d/ links that start or stop them are placed in the runlevel dirs to tell it at which runlevels the scripts should be started or stopped. update-rc.d facilitates handling of those links |
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| 13:50.55 | nvz | andrewtaylor_: /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh is a script run just before login with miscellenous tasks.. you can append any small things there if you do not wish to make your own script |
| 13:51.27 | andrewtaylor_ | it's just to run /usr/loca/src/firehol/fireho.sh start - would that be appropriate for bootmisc ? |
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| 13:51.44 | SerajewelKS | andrewtaylor_: is your L key sticky? ;) |
| 13:52.01 | andrewtaylor_ | yes it is actuaLLy |
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| 13:53.15 | MrRagga | hi, where do find backports for sarge, e.g. trac? |
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| 13:54.23 | xiru | Hi, any owner of an X22 thinkpad or similar? |
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| 13:55.32 | slapper | hi |
| 13:55.32 | slapper | http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=36519 |
| 13:55.35 | slapper | is nice. |
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| 13:56.12 | nvz | andrewtaylor_: anything you want to run at startup can be put in there. |
| 13:56.14 | SerajewelKS | slapper: hi. this is not a gnome channel. |
| 13:56.42 | slapper | :P |
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| 13:56.54 | slapper | Universal Gnome Debian boot splash |
| 13:57.26 | nvz | andrewtaylor_: reasons for making your own script would be if you wanted it to start and/or stop at different runlevels or priorities than bootmisc which has a very low priority and only runs at rc.S or simply just personal preference of separating different tasks |
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| 13:58.55 | Ronin | who reboots often enough to need a boot splashanyhow |
| 13:59.03 | nvz | andrewtaylor_: bootmisc only runs at boot and its likely going to be the last thing to run at boot time just before getty[x|g|k|w]dm..etc if you needed something to start on runlevel 2, but not on 3-5 and to stop on 0,6 then you need to make your own script to avoid changing the settings on that script. |
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| 14:00.33 | elirips | hello. to test if my software-raid1 works: can i simply shut-down, remove the power of hda, boot, if grub appears -> okay, power off, do the same for hdb, and that's it? |
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| 14:02.46 | nvz | they say cock roaches are the only creatures on the planet believed to be able to survive a nuclear explosion.. kind of makes you wonder what they put in raid eh... |
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| 14:03.21 | nvz | o_O |
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| 14:03.39 | KiD|Vidjeuh | yo |
| 14:03.44 | nvz | yo momma ;) |
| 14:03.47 | elon | yo |
| 14:03.55 | nvz | yo daddy |
| 14:04.18 | KiD|Vidjeuh | why should i use linux instead of windows ? convince me! |
| 14:04.36 | elon | i dont go with instead, i go with both :) |
| 14:04.39 | useruser | KiD|Vidjeuh: stick to windows |
| 14:04.39 | nvz | KiD|Vidjeuh: convince yourself. http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian |
| 14:04.51 | nvz | KiD|Vidjeuh: http://www.debian.org/social_contract |
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| 14:05.18 | Ronin | nvz: roaches and keith richards |
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| 14:05.42 | ramiro | KiD|Vidjeuh : because Windows sucks xD |
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| 14:05.53 | nvz | KiD|Vidjeuh: thing about free software people is we dont give a fuck what you do. and thats our right. and you doing whatever you want regaurdless is your freedom.. thats what the movement is all about |
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| 14:06.01 | jetscreamer | KiD|Vidjeuh: we don't really care which you use |
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| 14:06.15 | jetscreamer | KiD|Vidjeuh: we just help you after you decide on linux |
| 14:06.16 | nvz | jetscreamer: I was just touching on that subject ;) |
| 14:06.24 | jetscreamer | sowwy :) |
| 14:06.42 | jetscreamer | my glasses are off and i'm very very nearsighted |
| 14:06.58 | jetscreamer | my range is like 8" |
| 14:06.59 | nvz | yeah well I lost or broke both pairs of mine |
| 14:07.01 | jetscreamer | :( |
| 14:07.04 | nvz | good thing I bought cheap ones |
| 14:07.13 | LSorensen | KiD|Vidjeuh: Unless you see a benefit, you won't want to switch. For some people they just like learning new things and trying things. |
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| 14:07.18 | sHIOn | server irc.cl |
| 14:07.21 | nvz | one was plastic, the other was metal.. but they were both cheap as hell frames |
| 14:07.24 | jetscreamer | yeah i used to spend 300 bucks on glasses... i stopped |
| 14:07.27 | [aJ] | Has anyone in here installed the unstable debian .deb trac-0.9.4-2 and if so have you had any issues with it? |
| 14:07.45 | nvz | fuck that.. I probably didnt pay more than $50 for both mine and my eye exam |
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| 14:08.08 | LSorensen | KiD|Vidjeuh: I like using a reliable OS that doens't hide details from me, and lets me do what I want, doens't tell me when to reboot or do things, and which I can help improve and add features to. And free is nice too. |
| 14:08.24 | nvz | I need to go get some new ones but it seems too much like work and I suck at picking things out.. I'd have to find someone to go with me so the wall of frames doesnt confuse the shit out of me |
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| 14:08.34 | nvz | the more choices I have the less likely I will be able to make one |
| 14:09.30 | nvz | LSorensen: that is one of the things I hated the most about those teenage years on windows.. their software telling me what to do led to more computer abuse than anything I can think of |
| 14:09.32 | harfooz | hi everybody. I just installed konqueror 3.5.1 on my etch machine, and want to get my flash plugin working. I can't find the plugins config in Konqueror to tell it where to look. |
| 14:09.55 | harfooz | Where is the plugin configuration setting area for Konqueror now? |
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| 14:10.07 | jetscreamer | nvz: i told the staff at the glasses place to pick me one out last time (cuz i'd been going there for so long and they knew me well, and my braking them habit) |
| 14:10.09 | LSorensen | nvz: ah yes lovely things like a dialog box with the message "Can't open dialog box" |
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| 14:10.14 | nvz | LSorensen: how can you get anything done on a system that is telling _you_ the _USER_ what to do all the time.. like you've got time for that shit, and it knows your priorities better than you do. |
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| 14:10.29 | LSorensen | nvz: like telling you to "please wait" |
| 14:10.44 | citral | nvz: it does, because it's assuming you're a tard |
| 14:10.48 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 14:10.48 | dpkg | <yazid> "dumb client with the fewest moving parts" .. a phrase dangerous when overheard by strangers out of the IT office ;) |
| 14:11.05 | citral | very annoying in fact |
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| 14:11.12 | yassine | anyone here upgraded to gnome 2.14 ? |
| 14:11.19 | tarzeau | yassine: no |
| 14:11.20 | LSorensen | yassine: is in in unstable? |
| 14:11.25 | joesboxd3b | can someone help me understand? is it apt or menu that creates the menu files in /usr/share/menu |
| 14:11.26 | KiD|Vidjeuh | hmp yeah |
| 14:11.39 | tarzeau | joesboxd3b: menu |
| 14:11.43 | KiD|Vidjeuh | i wanne do it |
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| 14:11.50 | iturk | hi there |
| 14:11.51 | yassine | LSorensen, sorry i donnt understand what you asked |
| 14:11.55 | LSorensen | joesboxd3b: many things call menu to update the menus in various window managers based on the files places in /usr/share/menu by different packages. |
| 14:11.56 | KiD|Vidjeuh | dubbel so i can still keep gaming |
| 14:12.05 | tarzeau | joesboxd3b: most applications have their own menu file though |
| 14:12.13 | LSorensen | yassine: if gnome 2.14 is in unstable, then yes I am using it. If it isn't yet, then no I am not. |
| 14:12.32 | nvz | LSorensen: granted its often easier to deal with idiots and windows than intelligent users and linux.. the stupid users on windows believe its their fault and you know its a simple software glitch you tell em reboot and its fixed.. helping our users is never like that :P |
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| 14:12.51 | LSorensen | joesboxd3b: so packages being installed place menu data in that directory and then call the menu program (if installed) to update the various window manager menus |
| 14:12.52 | KiD|Vidjeuh | how much room do i need on the partition for linux ? |
| 14:13.07 | joesboxd3b | well i created a script for a window manager that is unable to create its own menu in its current development stage |
| 14:13.13 | LSorensen | nvz: actually the stupid users tend to think it's your fault they don't know what they are doing :) |
| 14:13.22 | joesboxd3b | i was trying to find my user audiance... |
| 14:13.30 | LSorensen | KiD|Vidjeuh: depends how much you want to install. 1G, 5G, 10G. |
| 14:13.44 | citral | KiD|Vidjeuh: count about 2,5 Gb for big desktop install + all progs you need, and a data partition, the size of your choice |
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| 14:14.08 | nvz | LSorensen: you have to give them credit for allowing the industry to grow into what it is today buy satisfying end users needs to the degree that they will pay overpaid undereducated "IT" personell to make it all better.. |
| 14:14.37 | joesboxd3b | so would it be best to say anyone that uses a debian / debian based OS that places menu files in /usr/share/menu? |
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| 14:14.56 | LSorensen | nvz: Yeah I don't understand. Apparently they are so disapaired over it that they are more willing to put up with more of the same than take a chance on something new. |
| 14:15.02 | citral | !based on debian |
| 14:15.02 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
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| 14:15.27 | KiD|Vidjeuh | i now have a 150 gig c with windows, and a partition d with 40 gb .. is it enough ? can i install linux on that ? |
| 14:15.36 | citral | KiD|Vidjeuh: yes |
| 14:15.40 | LSorensen | joesboxd3b: all X applications should place files in that dir, and then call menu to generate the menus based on that data for each window manager. If you write a new script for a window manager, make sure it works the way menu wants it to. |
| 14:15.51 | nvz | LSorensen: if a bunch of hippies were just sitting in dark corners swapping code the industury wouldnt be what it is today we need to figure that half of the game out.. how to keep the money flowing enough to drive the innovation of new technology |
| 14:16.05 | nvz | LSorensen: its happening slowly.. but this year is gonna be huge, I can feel it |
| 14:16.14 | KiD|Vidjeuh | k |
| 14:16.16 | KiD|Vidjeuh | now |
| 14:16.31 | moshii | nvz: if everything was about money there would be no innovation |
| 14:16.32 | KiD|Vidjeuh | is it hard to go on internet with linux? |
| 14:16.38 | moshii | KiD|Vidjeuh: no |
| 14:16.48 | xiru | preparing to do a netinstall of debian on my thinkpad X22, have de lspci list of my hardware, any known issues? Like acpi... |
| 14:16.50 | KiD|Vidjeuh | ad the commands ? |
| 14:16.57 | Zrin | I'm trying to install 'testing' with netinst cd. It recognizes rtl8139C NIC but then I'm getting "transmit timed out" errors. I already tries a second similar card with same result. It seems that sarge installer (kernel, driver) does not have this problem. What shall I try next? |
| 14:17.01 | LSorensen | joesboxd3b: actually I think most things use /usr/lib/menu |
| 14:17.02 | KiD|Vidjeuh | do i have to know them for installing? |
| 14:17.03 | citral | KiD|Vidjeuh: how do you connect to internet ? |
| 14:17.13 | KiD|Vidjeuh | with wireless to the main pc |
| 14:17.17 | nvz | moshii: yeah but think of back when MS screwed IBM and how the industry started moving.. technology as we know it today advanced in large part to MS's evil doings |
| 14:17.33 | KiD|Vidjeuh | linksys |
| 14:17.35 | joesboxd3b | LSorensen: well actuall.. the script only reads the menu files and puts out data in a format that the wm can read... it doesn't really create a file or anything... the script is made to be executed in the WM menu |
| 14:17.46 | nvz | moshii: they've invented markets that would have never existed in the perfect world of open source where shit is just fixed and does what its suppose to |
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| 14:18.35 | KiD|Vidjeuh | but, whatever i do with that, it never comes to my c and i can stop it every moment? |
| 14:18.37 | joesboxd3b | LSorensen: /usr/lib/menu is what Debian stable uses... due to File Handling Standards Debian developers have changed the placement to /usr/share/menu in Testing and up |
| 14:18.55 | abrotman | IS GNOME 2.14 IN SARGE YET? |
| 14:18.56 | nvz | moshii: I wouldnt be paying $150 for McAffee Security Suite to tell me weekly about PUPs or Potentially Unwanted Programs which they can neither identify or classify, but they can tell its something I potentially _may_ not want |
| 14:19.02 | LSorensen | joesboxd3b: oh ok. I just only saw a couple of things on my (mostly) stable install in /usr/share/menu |
| 14:19.02 | citral | KiD|Vidjeuh: I suggest you plug in an ethernet cable the time you install, will be easier. if dhcp fails, it will ask you for a fix ip, very easy |
| 14:19.12 | LSorensen | joesboxd3b: I must admit /usr/share makes more sense since it isn't binary data. |
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| 14:19.30 | LSorensen | abrotman: nothing new will _ever_ enter a stable release. |
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| 14:19.42 | abrotman | LSorensen: cut me some slack |
| 14:19.49 | KiD|Vidjeuh | but i haven't .. |
| 14:19.53 | LSorensen | abrotman: it will only happen when a new stable release is made, ie when etch is released |
| 14:19.59 | moshii | nvz: Big business is all about sticking labels on things, there's very little creation |
| 14:20.19 | Zrin | I need a hint please - I'm trying to install 'testing' with netinst cd. It recognizes rtl8139C NIC but then I'm getting "transmit timed out" errors. I already tries a second similar card with same result. It seems that sarge installer (kernel, driver) does not have this problem. What shall I try next? |
| 14:20.20 | joesboxd3b | LSorensen: if you want to see my script you can d/l it at bsdgeek.no-ip.org/downloads.html |
| 14:20.26 | abrotman | LSorensen: really .. you don't say .. i had no idea :) |
| 14:20.28 | nvz | moshii: PUPs and all this shit doesnt even exist, but because of crappy software .. a bunch of people are able to make money off further confusing MS's customer base who already has no idea whats going on. |
| 14:20.32 | Tsukihime | ive notice that alternative sounds are not making any sound (amsn, emulators, programs that uses sound by they own) how can i know what is happening to those programs sound?) |
| 14:20.36 | xiru | any french channel for debian? |
| 14:20.37 | joesboxd3b | it is n't the best script ever written but it works |
| 14:20.44 | abrotman | !fr |
| 14:20.45 | dpkg | from memory, fr is Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debianfr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debianfr |
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| 14:20.52 | Vidjeuh | i want to do it with wireless, i don't have a cable for eternet |
| 14:20.59 | joesboxd3b | xiru: try #debian-fr |
| 14:21.07 | thingfish | Zrin: install sarge, then dist-upgrade to etch. |
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| 14:21.28 | xiru | thanks |
| 14:21.31 | moshii | nvz: If money wasn't part of windows' development cycle would it be as buggy, I don't thing so |
| 14:21.33 | LSorensen | abrotman: Hmm, on irc it is hard to tell the difference between a joke, and an unimformed question. I tend to assume the last option |
| 14:21.50 | LSorensen | abrotman: especially since as a joke it would be amazingly unfunny |
| 14:21.58 | vin` | heh |
| 14:22.07 | Zrin | thingfish: I already tried sth. like that, but I ended with 2.6.15 kernel and "transmit timed out" errors again. So I'm not sure what to do next |
| 14:22.09 | abrotman | LSorensen: yes .. but don't you think i've been in this channel long enough to understand that sarge doesn't get new software? |
| 14:22.23 | Tsukihime | ive notice that alternative sounds are not making any sound (amsn, emulators, programs that uses sound by they own) how can i know what is happening to those programs sound? |
| 14:22.32 | LSorensen | abrotman: I can't remember the names of people I meet in real life. WHy should I remember every nick name on irc on all the channels I am on? |
| 14:22.33 | Vidjeuh | which of these i have to install ? |
| 14:22.34 | Vidjeuh | Click here if you want the Debian 2.2 (Potato) Installation Page |
| 14:22.35 | Vidjeuh | Click here if you want the Debian 3.0 (Woody) Installation Page |
| 14:22.43 | azeem | Vidjeuh: none |
| 14:22.46 | azeem | install 3.1 |
| 14:22.51 | thingfish | Zrin: buy a different brand of network card. They're like $15.00. |
| 14:22.54 | Zrin | thingfish: It seems that after upgrade to 2.6 (.15) the problem arises |
| 14:23.06 | Vidjeuh | how? i really don't know anything about linux |
| 14:23.06 | abrotman | LSorensen: i suppose .. but the all caps should have given it away :) |
| 14:23.16 | thingfish | Zrin: ah, well then you'll not want to move to 2.6.15. |
| 14:23.28 | thingfish | Zrin: unless you buy another nic, that is. |
| 14:23.31 | joesboxd3b | LSorensen: so anyway back to my original question... is it just debian/debian based systems that create the menu files in /usr/*/menu? |
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| 14:23.50 | abrotman | i'm not aware of any other distros that use the menu system |
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| 14:23.55 | Zrin | thingfish: I have at least 15 NIC lying around ... are you saying that 2.6.15 might have a problem with RTL8139C? |
| 14:23.58 | abrotman | that doesnt' mean they don't .. i've just never seen it |
| 14:24.02 | ma3x | any mencoder specialist? |
| 14:24.08 | joesboxd3b | abrotman: that is what i was thinking |
| 14:24.10 | useruser | ma3x: #mplayer |
| 14:24.21 | ma3x | i am already there , they're idle :( |
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| 14:24.32 | abrotman | !piav |
| 14:24.32 | dpkg | Patience is a virtue - just wait and someone will answer you. |
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| 14:24.50 | joesboxd3b | abrotman: ha ha |
| 14:24.58 | xiru | acpi -t 54 dgrees (celcius), isn't that a bit hot? |
| 14:25.02 | abrotman | joesboxd3b: though it should be easy to tell if they use it or not |
| 14:25.04 | thingfish | Zrin: that, or your issue is arising from some other cause. |
| 14:25.06 | Jhair | xiru: which processor |
| 14:25.09 | abrotman | xiru: for what? |
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| 14:25.16 | abrotman | your CPU / case / hot dog? |
| 14:25.21 | thingfish | Zrin: although my rt8139 works fine. |
| 14:25.21 | abrotman | antgel!! |
| 14:25.21 | xiru | pIII m 800MHz |
| 14:25.30 | xiru | Thinkpad X22 |
| 14:25.30 | joesboxd3b | well back to coding... thanks for the explanations |
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| 14:25.38 | abrotman | what is a PIII m? |
| 14:25.52 | azeem | s/m/@/ or something I guess |
| 14:25.55 | Vidjeuh | omg! i really don't understand aything |
| 14:25.59 | useruser | <guess>mobile pentium 3</guess> |
| 14:26.07 | azeem | ah, that as well |
| 14:26.07 | xiru | yes |
| 14:26.08 | moshii | abrotman: mobile p3 |
| 14:26.19 | Jhair | abrotman: is the reference of a microprocessor |
| 14:26.19 | abrotman | i don't think there was such a thing |
| 14:26.29 | Jhair | abrotman: there is |
| 14:26.31 | antgel | abrotman: abrotman!! |
| 14:26.48 | azeem | abrotman: I think there was |
| 14:26.56 | moshii | intel have always had mobile versions, but not to the same degree as the latest stuff |
| 14:27.07 | abrotman | they have not *always* had mobile versions |
| 14:27.15 | Vidjeuh | i don't understand anything ... :( |
| 14:27.43 | azeem | Gericom was well known back then to include the desktop version of the P-III, making their notebooks bloodly hot |
| 14:27.43 | abrotman | xiru: well .. regardless .. ask google .. |
| 14:28.15 | xiru | ok... |
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| 14:29.06 | abrotman | xiru: a model number will help greatly |
| 14:29.13 | abrotman | xiru: alternately ... ask #hardware |
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| 14:30.22 | Vidjeuh | help pls ? |
| 14:30.22 | xoz | x22 is sold in second hand shops in tokyo for $250 |
| 14:30.23 | xiru | processor : 0 |
| 14:30.23 | xiru | vendor_id : GenuineIntel |
| 14:30.23 | xiru | cpu family : 6 |
| 14:30.23 | xiru | model : 11 |
| 14:30.23 | xiru | model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) III Mobile CPU 800MHz |
| 14:30.23 | xiru | stepping : 1 |
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| 14:30.38 | incorrect | i am having some strange issues with net-snmp in sarge, (net-snmpd 5.1) once i have connected to the service snmpd runs at 100cpu |
| 14:31.29 | incorrect | i am not experiencing this with the version in woody, however i am almost identical configs |
| 14:31.33 | egon_spengler | Vidjeuh: If you have a PC, you will probably want the Debian Sarge install |
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| 14:33.49 | abrotman | nice .. but there are about 12 different 800Mhz PIII from intel |
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| 14:35.42 | Vidjeuh | i'm now downloading debian alpha netinst.iso |
| 14:36.01 | abrotman | yay |
| 14:36.13 | Vidjeuh | why yay ? |
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| 14:36.24 | azeem | Vidjeuh: do you have an alpha computer? |
| 14:36.25 | abrotman | alphas are fun! |
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| 14:36.57 | xoz | good things never last... such as alpha |
| 14:36.59 | greycat | dpkg: fuck kingsley |
| 14:37.01 | abrotman | erm .. uh ... |
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| 14:37.22 | thingfish | gosh, that was real classy. |
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| 14:37.34 | abrotman | thingfish: would you rather have mwilson? |
| 14:37.39 | thingfish | hehe |
| 14:37.43 | thingfish | NOPE |
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| 14:39.41 | tarzeau | abrotman: i've got the packages ready, wanna test? |
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| 14:39.48 | abrotman | fer what? |
| 14:39.49 | Vidjeuh | i don't know lol |
| 14:39.51 | nvz | first of all whats wrong with mwilson... heh |
| 14:39.52 | abrotman | tarzeau: and i'm at work :) |
| 14:39.57 | Vidjeuh | what's the difference? |
| 14:40.01 | abrotman | nvz: i never had a problem with him .. |
| 14:40.15 | abrotman | Vidjeuh: you don't know if you have an alpha? what CPU do you have? |
| 14:40.15 | thingfish | Vidjeuh: you probably want the i386 one. |
| 14:40.18 | Vidjeuh | don't know |
| 14:40.21 | Vidjeuh | how can i see it |
| 14:40.23 | azeem | Vidjeuh: is it a PC? |
| 14:40.28 | nvz | and 2nd did I just see a ghost? |
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| 14:40.38 | azeem | or a Digital/Compaq workstation? |
| 14:40.42 | abrotman | nvz: not at all |
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| 14:40.47 | Vidjeuh | euh? |
| 14:40.54 | abrotman | Vidjeuh: what does your PC run now? |
| 14:40.55 | Vidjeuh | it's a dell desktop |
| 14:40.55 | nvz | hmm.. so greycat was actually here |
| 14:40.58 | azeem | Vidjeuh: so i386 |
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| 14:41.08 | abrotman | or amd64 .. i guess |
| 14:41.17 | Vidjeuh | where can i see |
| 14:41.22 | azeem | Vidjeuh: is it 64bit? |
| 14:41.24 | thingfish | amd64? from a dell? |
| 14:41.26 | wizzomafizzo | In Ubuntu I could use my Fn keys on my laptop to adjust the volume, was it gnome or xorg that did this or some program? |
| 14:41.32 | azeem | thingfish: amd64 includes em64t |
| 14:41.32 | Vidjeuh | i don't know! |
| 14:41.41 | thingfish | azeem: oh, I didn't know that. |
| 14:41.43 | azeem | Vidjeuh: then use i386 |
| 14:41.45 | stew | nvz: it was someone named rfc1413 pretending to be greycat :) |
| 14:41.49 | abrotman | wizzomafizzo: this is for ubuntu or debian ?> |
| 14:42.20 | wizzomafizzo | abrotman: Debian, it's just it was nice to have them working, and I wanted to know how to do it on here. |
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| 14:42.39 | abrotman | wizzomafizzo: it should be a hardware function .. what kind of laptop ? |
| 14:42.45 | Vidjeuh | [alpha] [arm] [hppa] [i386] [ia64] [m68k] [mips] [mipsel] [powerpc] [sparc] |
| 14:42.46 | nvz | stew: oh. I didnt figure he would actually come in here |
| 14:42.49 | Vidjeuh | which one ? |
| 14:42.58 | thingfish | we already told you. |
| 14:43.12 | Vidjeuh | i386? |
| 14:43.17 | azeem | yes |
| 14:43.19 | Vidjeuh | k |
| 14:43.31 | wizzomafizzo | abrotman, Dell Latitude C600, not a hardware function. I'm sure, I remember Gnome had some cryptic shortcuts in it. |
| 14:43.40 | Vidjeuh | do i have to do something special for dual boot? |
| 14:43.52 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 14:43.52 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org , and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 14:44.14 | xoz | why greycat seldoms visit #debian? |
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| 14:44.24 | nvz | Vidjeuh: send me $100 |
| 14:44.24 | incorrect | is there a backports howto, i need to backport snmpd from testing |
| 14:44.32 | abrotman | xoz: he was .. kind of shown the door |
| 14:44.45 | abrotman | !tell incorrect about simple sid backport |
| 14:44.49 | dorto | what is the simples way to share my downloaded .deb files(as part of apt-get install) with my friend? (so that he doesn't have to download them again) |
| 14:44.56 | xoz | abrotman: for what reason? very serious? |
| 14:45.08 | strider | wizzomafizzo: you can assign them in Gnome if the Fn key is recognized |
| 14:45.31 | Tsukihime | "sox: Can't open output file '/dev/dsp': Permission denied" help?? =S |
| 14:45.39 | nvz | xoz: burnout.. over dose of #debian :P |
| 14:46.03 | abrotman | xoz: politeness police |
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| 14:46.24 | wizzomafizzo | strider, Well that's the thing, I'm not using Gnome. I was hoping it was some external program that did it. |
| 14:46.25 | Daedalus_ | We have politness police?? |
| 14:46.32 | nvz | Daedalus_: fuck them ;) |
| 14:46.39 | xoz | abrotman: ok. and guerin too? |
| 14:46.49 | incorrect | i am surprised that debian ships stable with net-snmpd with such a huge bug in it |
| 14:46.50 | strider | wizzomafizzo: gnome-keybinding-properties; volume up/down |
| 14:47.13 | abrotman | xoz: he's on a tour of eurasia |
| 14:47.27 | thingfish | sure, let's let the channel fall back into the nest of hateful and unpleasant, self-important uber-geeks. |
| 14:47.28 | abrotman | incorrect: define "huge bug" |
| 14:47.38 | abrotman | thingfish: better than wrong answers :) |
| 14:47.53 | Vidjeuh | lol |
| 14:47.55 | thingfish | I doubt that. |
| 14:48.04 | Vidjeuh | k, i have download i368 |
| 14:48.20 | thingfish | a wrong answer can later be corrected. |
| 14:48.33 | Vidjeuh | what now ? |
| 14:48.36 | wizzomafizzo | strider, If it requires gnome or anything like that I won't worry about it. |
| 14:48.37 | abrotman | thingfish: which would you rather have .. you come in here with a serious hard question .. you get someone who gives you the correct answer rudely .. or someone who doesn't know/tells you the wrong answer , but politely? |
| 14:48.38 | xoz | abrotman: cool. |
| 14:48.40 | thingfish | and having knowledge doesn't entitle one to be abusive. |
| 14:48.42 | Vidjeuh | do i have to burn the maps on a cd ? |
| 14:48.45 | wizzomafizzo | strider, Thanks anyway. |
| 14:48.48 | incorrect | abrotman, well the version shipping with sarge 'snmpd loops forever in host resources' its a bug fixed in the next point release |
| 14:49.01 | abrotman | incorrect: checked the BTS? |
| 14:49.01 | thingfish | abrotman: if someone came in and gave me a rude but correct answer, I'd find another distro. |
| 14:49.03 | nvz | thingfish: no but having a bigger weapon does |
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| 14:49.06 | chealer9 | thingfish: but we need hateful people to keep ourself from wrong people |
| 14:49.07 | incorrect | abrotman, BTS? |
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| 14:49.16 | incorrect | abrotman, sorry being stupid |
| 14:49.29 | Daedalus_ | thingfish: you set the bar pretty high for free tech support..... |
| 14:49.35 | strider | wizzomafizzo: ah, i didn't read that right. assumed you had gnome/ What are you using now? |
| 14:49.39 | abrotman | !btssmite incorrect |
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| 14:49.50 | abrotman | thingfish: i'd be thankful for the correct answer |
| 14:49.53 | wizzomafizzo | strider, Fluxbox, just wanted something to run in the background. |
| 14:50.11 | abrotman | thingfish: i guess i have a pretty thick skin |
| 14:50.12 | thingfish | Daedalus_: maybe I do. But I've been in other distro's chat channels, and some of them actually manage to conduct themselves in a professional manner. |
| 14:50.20 | nvz | Daedalus_: this channel is about more than free technical support |
| 14:50.27 | Vidjeuh | What do i have to do now ?? |
| 14:50.36 | Daedalus_ | nvz: ouche |
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| 14:50.44 | abrotman | !tell Vidjeuh about ig |
| 14:50.44 | Daedalus_ | nvz: err touche |
| 14:50.46 | thingfish | nvz is correct - it's also about community. |
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| 14:52.01 | abrotman | right .. a community will all the wrong answers .. still sucks |
| 14:52.05 | abrotman | !tell dglerum about root |
| 14:52.05 | Daedalus_ | thingfish: I think that "professional" doesn't have to mean "the customer is always right" |
| 14:52.05 | nvz | thingfish: its also about the debian project that owns it, the freenode staff that maintains the server, and the pdpc that funds freenode.. and all the politics involved as well as the interests of the debian project, developers, users..etc |
| 14:52.13 | strider | wizzomafizzo: yes, I'm sure you can define the keys. I've done it in openbox |
| 14:52.23 | abrotman | a community with |
| 14:52.42 | thingfish | the troublesome types are pretty much gone, and yet there doesn't seem to be too much of a lack of people with good advice and correct answers. |
| 14:53.18 | narma | hello, I use debian testing with gnome. When I plug an usb hard drive, new icons are displayed on the desktop. Their names are "65,2 Go Volume", "23,3 Go Volume", etc... Is there a way to have the mount directory instead of the capacity for the icon's name ? |
| 14:53.28 | abrotman | thingfish: i disagree |
| 14:53.33 | thingfish | nvz: so right. plus I just think it's bogus for people to use the anonymity of irc chat to work out their psychological deficiencies on other people. |
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| 14:53.50 | RedT0mt0m | hi everyone |
| 14:53.51 | wizzomafizzo | strider, yeah I think that's the keys files. I won't worry about it, thanks. |
| 14:54.03 | abrotman | thingfish: when i first started coming here .. there was an overload of really knowledgable people .. now .. but a handful that participate |
| 14:54.04 | incorrect | abrotman, its bug: 282024, its fixed in later releases of snmp |
| 14:54.07 | narma | I thing it gnome-volume-manager which create those icons and their name but I can't find any option to select the way the name is created. |
| 14:54.10 | thingfish | azeem doesn't give good help? you don't give good help? |
| 14:54.12 | abrotman | incorrect: but still affects sarge? |
| 14:54.13 | nvz | thingfish: well we have as a whole improved thats really all that needs be said in that area. some of us just had to STFU once in awhile and remeber the channel guidelines freenode suggested.. especially the part about support burnout.. |
| 14:54.19 | knvinh | Does 'nano' have hightlight syntax mode like 'emacs' or 'vi'? |
| 14:54.33 | strider | wizzomafizzo: yeah that's it. use something like xev to get the keycodes and assign it. google will help |
| 14:54.39 | thingfish | nvz: I totally agree. The channel has a more professional atmosphere than it did. |
| 14:54.42 | abrotman | thingfish: there used to be many many more knowledgable people |
| 14:54.57 | nvz | abrotman: they burnt out |
| 14:55.12 | incorrect | abrotman, according to source forge its fixed in 5.2 |
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| 14:55.36 | zinx | narma: gnome is not known for its configurability |
| 14:55.40 | azeem | abrotman: the question is: Why did they leave? |
| 14:55.54 | abrotman | g4lt, simon, fhffbhfv, thomas_adam, bob2, greycat, fieldy, caphuso , justn .. and i'm forgetting a lot |
| 14:56.00 | wizzomafizzo | strider, Yeah, I've tried that and it doesn't work. Thanks again anyway, |
| 14:56.00 | thingfish | that's probably true, nvz. if you get burned out, it's irritating, and we tend to snap at people. but you know, you get the feeling that this kind of person would never be so bold to your face, in "real life". |
| 14:56.00 | abrotman | though simon and fhff are still here |
| 14:56.03 | zinx | narma: you might try gconf-editor, but it probably doesn't have anything more |
| 14:56.07 | nvz | abrotman: its their fault though.. if they had backed down some others would have picked up the slack and they wouldnt have suffered such burnout |
| 14:56.10 | azeem | I am not convinced all of them left because the channel was getting too nice, I think at least some of them left because the channel was getting too rude |
| 14:56.10 | abrotman | azeem: some of them were banned .. others forced out |
| 14:56.13 | narma | zinx, yes but It seems possible since with ubuntu it is the mount directory which is displayed |
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| 14:56.30 | Covener | Just occured to me I haven't been entertained my mwilson in a while |
| 14:56.36 | abrotman | azeem: you can ask them .. most are still on freenode helping elsewhere .. so i don't think it was the burnout |
| 14:56.42 | Vidjeuh | pff |
| 14:56.48 | azeem | abrotman: I didn't say it was burnout |
| 14:56.49 | xoz | yeah, mwilson was banned too? |
| 14:56.55 | helix | yes |
| 14:56.57 | Covener | Not surprising |
| 14:56.59 | abrotman | azeem: no .. nvz said ti was |
| 14:57.01 | Vidjeuh | i don't understand the install txt |
| 14:57.18 | Ronin | Vidjeuh: what part? burn image to cd and reboot |
| 14:57.28 | nvz | abrotman: burnout is in the form of not being able to handle the same stupid things over and over and over and over again and not just letting someone else deal with it |
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| 14:57.47 | abrotman | nvz: who do you think got burntout? .. |
| 14:57.55 | abrotman | xoz! .. what was that? |
| 14:58.01 | zinx | narma: ubuntu may have modified their version. |
| 14:58.15 | abrotman | azeem: regardless .. they're gone now .. better or worse .. noone will know :) |
| 14:58.44 | narma | zinx, I think I have found :) |
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| 14:59.15 | narma | I launched gconf-editor, a searched for string "volume" |
| 14:59.18 | nvz | abrotman: it happens to all of us on a regular basis. every time anyone of us ever started getting off topic, shouting at users, or whatever thats from the stress of support burnout.. sometimes you just gotta find something else to do with your time, or STFU |
| 14:59.21 | azeem | abrotman: who knows, it might attract new people eventually |
| 14:59.28 | abrotman | azeem: and some of them are good |
| 14:59.33 | azeem | there will always be some rotation |
| 14:59.40 | abrotman | azeem: like you weren't here when i first arrived .. some would say you know some stuff |
| 14:59.54 | abrotman | nvz: but you never STFU :) |
| 14:59.56 | nvz | abrotman: why you think I went from the top 20 most active to barely holding the top 100 |
| 14:59.57 | narma | I found into "nautilus" "icon_view/caption" |
| 14:59.58 | xoz | helix: ah. i'm wondering i haven't seen some nice personalities anymore :) |
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| 15:00.03 | helix | heh |
| 15:00.11 | nvz | abrotman: I only spend maybe an hour or two on here now |
| 15:00.17 | nvz | abrotman: and I dont talk the whole time anymore |
| 15:00.26 | abrotman | nvz: you also got a job, email, and cell phone AND moved home |
| 15:00.31 | nvz | he |
| 15:00.33 | nvz | h |
| 15:00.34 | thingfish | heh |
| 15:00.35 | helix | nvz got tired of us making fun of his grammar and spelling |
| 15:00.39 | nvz | yeah this is true |
| 15:00.53 | abrotman | nvz: btw .. does sprint still suck? |
| 15:00.57 | helix | go sprint go |
| 15:00.58 | nvz | helix: never... I do actually learn from that stuff.. I just dont show it :P |
| 15:01.07 | abrotman | !apostrophesmite nvz |
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| 15:01.12 | helix | seriously. |
| 15:01.15 | nvz | abrotman: yeah.. but they've credited me $35 so far this month so its goig good |
| 15:01.20 | abrotman | hehe |
| 15:01.21 | xoz | abrotman: yeah was for the previous conversation. lag problem :) |
| 15:01.35 | abrotman | xoz: so go ask him what happened .. if he's willing to discuss it |
| 15:01.43 | nvz | abrotman: as long as I dont have another bill due until May 28 I got no complaints I'll let the shit slide |
| 15:02.02 | abrotman | nvz: would you say helix got burnt out .. or more involved in being a NM/DD ? or just hates to see you misspell everything? |
| 15:02.06 | nvz | abrotman: and my phone doesnt go off, or charges dont magically appear |
| 15:02.21 | nvz | abrotman: helix cant get burnt out.. she manages her time and keeps herself busy |
| 15:02.21 | thingfish | what's NM? New Mom? |
| 15:02.32 | helix | I'm not burned out (and never really was), I just find you all excruciatingly boring |
| 15:02.33 | azeem | new maintainer |
| 15:02.36 | abrotman | !nm |
| 15:02.36 | dpkg | hmm... nm is New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen. A program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never\No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. at http://nm.debian.org/ |
| 15:02.36 | helix | kidding, kidding |
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| 15:02.57 | abrotman | helix: i wouldn't blame you .. it's not as much fun as developing if that's what you're into |
| 15:03.00 | xoz | ouch! |
| 15:03.05 | helix | word |
| 15:03.16 | azeem | abrotman: wait for the debconf #d cocktail party |
| 15:03.22 | azeem | that'll be fun |
| 15:03.25 | abrotman | azeem: am i going? |
| 15:03.28 | azeem | abrotman: dude |
| 15:03.30 | abrotman | can i go? |
| 15:03.32 | abrotman | i'm not a DD? |
| 15:03.37 | abrotman | will helix try to BBQ me? |
| 15:03.38 | helix | I am totally partying with azeem in mexico |
| 15:03.42 | azeem | if I come |
| 15:03.51 | stew | i wish i could go |
| 15:03.58 | abrotman | stew: you coulod |
| 15:03.58 | nvz | I like it here.. its stimulating.. I could get more knowlege checking out more books.. but reading bores me after awhile.. in here the scenery changes more |
| 15:04.00 | abrotman | could |
| 15:04.03 | thingfish | me too, I love mexico. |
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| 15:04.16 | abrotman | i'm scared the DDs would pay someone to kidnap me |
| 15:04.20 | stew | abrotman: my spring/summer schedule is already way too busy |
| 15:04.22 | thingfish | hehe |
| 15:04.32 | helix | dude we're not going to venezuela |
| 15:04.35 | stew | hah |
| 15:04.45 | abrotman | helix: i think damog was really scared though ... |
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| 15:04.52 | azeem | I would've been as well |
| 15:04.54 | helix | oh I think he was absolutely terrified |
| 15:04.58 | helix | rightly so |
| 15:04.59 | thingfish | sure, let's go and talk Chavez into switching the gov't to all Debian. |
| 15:05.07 | abrotman | it's more socialist! |
| 15:05.15 | thingfish | yay! for socialism. |
| 15:05.26 | thingfish | :) |
| 15:05.31 | xoz | #debian-tacos is delicious!!! |
| 15:05.43 | abrotman | hehe .. my co-worker got really hammered at a bachelor party and proclaimed "The failure of Socialism is proof that God does not exist" |
| 15:05.46 | thingfish | well, actually, I'm for a government comprised of the intellectual elite. |
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| 15:06.23 | thingfish | it would be a small body. |
| 15:06.23 | abrotman | azeem: you're not going to DC ? |
| 15:06.34 | xoz | government of the people, for the people, by the people = socialist? |
| 15:06.34 | engla | debian/python packages: Why is not .pyc/.pyo included? |
| 15:06.36 | helix | I suspect that many of the intellectual elite would opt not to have a gov't |
| 15:06.42 | azeem | abrotman: well, it's during the term, I need to sort out whether I get a vacation |
| 15:06.52 | abrotman | azeem: i thought you weren't a student anymore ... |
| 15:06.57 | azeem | and I need to figure out how to get tickets |
| 15:07.02 | helix | xoz: no, "exorbitant taxes and "free" healthcare" == socialist |
| 15:07.08 | engla | I'm making my own python package package, shouldn't I include .pyc files? |
| 15:07.08 | azeem | abrotman: yeah, but I harrass students now :) |
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| 15:07.10 | thingfish | helix: in reality, they would endlessly argue about every possibility and never accomplish anything. |
| 15:07.13 | stew | engla: they are compiled on the host system when the package is installed |
| 15:07.18 | abrotman | azeem: if you ask nicely .. maybe i'll sponsor you :) |
| 15:07.21 | helix | thingfish: it'd be similar to debian? |
| 15:07.28 | thingfish | hehe |
| 15:07.28 | engla | stew: true for a binary package? |
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| 15:07.41 | azeem | abrotman: I asked Debian for some funding, but to no avail so far |
| 15:07.41 | engla | stew: according to synaptic, only .py files are installed |
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| 15:07.59 | abrotman | azeem: a ticket is roughly 1,000 euro ? |
| 15:08.03 | thingfish | helix: it may be rough getting there, but look at the fine, quality product you end up with! |
| 15:08.03 | helix | azeem: did you not get in on sponsorship early enough? |
| 15:08.07 | stew | engla: but if you look at the postinst script in /var/lib/dpkg/info they get compiled after they are installed |
| 15:08.13 | helix | word to debian being high quality |
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| 15:08.19 | helix | and the mirror split! |
| 15:08.22 | helix | go amd64!! |
| 15:08.30 | azeem | helix: dunno, I registered quite early, but my abstract got turned down |
| 15:08.37 | azeem | not sure whether the queue is FIFO |
| 15:08.45 | stew | engla: the python packages aren't arch specific unless they have to be for a .so, and historically .pyc files have not been as entirely platform independant as they are supposed to be |
| 15:08.46 | helix | azeem: that's separate from the sponsorship queue, afaik |
| 15:08.53 | zinx | helix: you <3 the mirror split |
| 15:08.55 | helix | but my talk eventually got accepted and I got sponsorship |
| 15:08.57 | helix | zinx: I do! |
| 15:08.59 | engla | stew: you are absolutely right.. I thought some of my rules were wrong |
| 15:09.17 | zinx | helix: it'll be even more fun once we have true multiarch :DD |
| 15:09.24 | engla | stew: I was sure they were arch-independent. Anyway, now it's perfect :) thanks |
| 15:09.26 | helix | and flying ponies |
| 15:09.33 | chealer9 | helix: word! :) |
| 15:09.40 | stew | !prize helix |
| 15:09.41 | zinx | helix: hey, we have bouncing cows.. flying ponies can't be too far off |
| 15:10.02 | stew | wow she actually got the pony, its usually only reserved for azeem |
| 15:10.18 | azeem | helix++ |
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| 15:10.28 | chealer9 | !beer azeem |
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| 15:10.37 | chealer9 | is everyone satisfied now? |
| 15:10.38 | helix | heh |
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| 15:11.03 | chealer9 | if not, you can always query dpkg in private |
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| 15:12.12 | worstenboy | hi i'm logged in as user admin, another admin also is logged in, i want to see what he's doing, but screen -r pts/11 doesnt work, any suggestions |
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| 15:13.19 | stew | worstenboy: screen -x? can you tell us more than "doenst work"? |
| 15:13.27 | jm_ | worstenboy: then there's ttysnoop |
| 15:13.38 | worstenboy | Must run suid root for multiuser support. |
| 15:13.40 | worstenboy | ow |
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| 15:14.21 | stew | worstenboy: it needs to be sgid wtmp |
| 15:14.39 | stew | err make that utmp |
| 15:14.44 | worstenboy | ah |
| 15:15.17 | helix | wutmp clan |
| 15:15.30 | jm_ | woot |
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| 15:15.45 | helix | wow jm_ long time no see |
| 15:15.52 | jm_ | helix: quite |
| 15:16.04 | helix | how are things in your part of the world? |
| 15:16.46 | jm_ | ew're following your way - getting anti terrorism laws |
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| 15:17.20 | zinx | yay for anti-privacy laws |
| 15:17.26 | LSorensen | worstenboy: is he running screen? |
| 15:17.27 | jm_ | indeed |
| 15:17.41 | worstenboy | no i dont think so , just logged in |
| 15:17.43 | xoz | anti terrorism law means to fight terrorism with *terrorism* |
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| 15:17.58 | LSorensen | worstenboy: well unless he is running screen, you can't attach to his screen session can you? |
| 15:18.12 | xoz | worstenboy: no way unless screen is running |
| 15:18.14 | worstenboy | nope sorry i was thinking little bit simple |
| 15:18.15 | LSorensen | worstenboy: screen is very handy for showing people stuff |
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| 15:18.21 | jm_ | hehe I wonder why you thought of that possibility |
| 15:18.21 | Thanatermesis | cdrecord: Found DVD media but DVD-R/DVD-RW support code is missing. |
| 15:18.23 | helix | jm_: eep, sorry to hear that |
| 15:18.26 | LSorensen | worstenboy: but both peopel have to explicitly start it |
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| 15:18.33 | Thanatermesis | cdrecord sucks with the DVD support :/ |
| 15:18.33 | LSorensen | Thanatermesis: use growisofs instead |
| 15:18.41 | LSorensen | Thanatermesis: from dvd+rw-tiils |
| 15:18.42 | Bogaurd | does anybody know of a piece of software or a script which will let me tunnel SSH through a http proxy that accepts only DIGEST authentication? |
| 15:18.43 | LSorensen | er tools |
| 15:18.56 | abrotman | worstenboy: ttysnoop ? |
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| 15:19.10 | jm_ | Bogaurd: can httptunnel handle that? |
| 15:19.18 | zinx | Bog: if httptunnel can't do it... no :D |
| 15:19.26 | Thanatermesis | LSorensen i have writed a dvd backup with gnomebaker... i have tried now "import session" for add more files to this dvd... this is posible with dvd+rw-utils ? |
| 15:19.30 | worstenboy | abrotman i just apt-got it manning it now |
| 15:19.40 | Bogaurd | jm_: no... httptunnel cant, proxytunnel cant, cant find anything that supports digest auth :( |
| 15:19.53 | zinx | Thanatermesis: if you didn't close it, yes |
| 15:20.04 | zinx | Thanatermesis: read the manual, it's not too hard to use |
| 15:20.28 | Thanatermesis | mmmh... if i don't close i can't read it zinx, corect ? |
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| 15:20.40 | zinx | Thanatermesis: wrong |
| 15:20.43 | jm_ | Bogaurd: some quick Perl hack? |
| 15:20.53 | nvz | man I am almost showing interest in polital B.S. right now.. this is weird. |
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| 15:21.27 | Bogaurd | jm_: i looked into it, the protocol seems kinda more complex than i expected... |
| 15:21.28 | KiD|Vidjeuh | why can't i boot from my cd ?? It doesn't work, it sais drive not detected :s |
| 15:21.43 | zinx | Thanatermesis: some players might not be able to read it, but your drive should read it just fine |
| 15:21.44 | LSorensen | Thanatermesis: with growisofs you just do: growisofs -M /dev/dvd -R -J dirtoadd. You use -Z instead of -M when starting a disk. |
| 15:22.06 | LSorensen | Thanatermesis: the -R -J being mkisofs options for rockridge and joliet |
| 15:22.11 | zinx | Thanatermesis: and if you do close it... there's no way you'll ever get anything appending to it. |
| 15:22.16 | LSorensen | Thanatermesis: it is way nicer than cdrecord |
| 15:22.26 | Thanatermesis | hum... not bad... |
| 15:22.32 | LSorensen | Thanatermesis: but it only does dvd, while cdrecord only does cd. |
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| 15:22.44 | Thanatermesis | maybe gnomebaker needs to implement this "dvd append" better... |
| 15:22.45 | BillGates | is there a way to burn audio cd from mp3 in linux? k3b and graveman refuse to do that |
| 15:22.45 | KiD|Vidjeuh | ? why can't i boot from my cd ? |
| 15:22.45 | zinx | i need to get around to writing my cd/dvd suite |
| 15:22.46 | LSorensen | Thanatermesis: things like k3b know to use growisofs for dvd. |
| 15:22.53 | zinx | like, really. i'm so lazy :< |
| 15:22.54 | Thanatermesis | for the rest, gnomebaker is perfect :) |
| 15:23.02 | jm_ | Bogaurd: LWP supports digest authentication |
| 15:23.10 | zinx | KiD|Vidjeuh: most likely, you burned it wrong |
| 15:23.14 | Bogaurd | jm_: LWP? |
| 15:23.23 | jm_ | Bogaurd: perldoc LWP |
| 15:23.26 | KiD|Vidjeuh | damn ... |
| 15:23.37 | zinx | KiD|Vidjeuh: you have to burn the iso9660 filesystem directly, not create a new one |
| 15:23.51 | zinx | KiD|Vidjeuh: and not burn the files inside the iso9660 filesystem |
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| 15:23.55 | LSorensen | KiD|Vidjeuh: what says drive not detected? I have never seen a bios say that |
| 15:23.59 | nvz | how can I make security real tight on a webserver? I really want to leave my webserver on to serve content and socket connections with data for my phone.. when I turn apache on I got what I think is my isp scanning it and sckript kiddies trying to execute php scripts when I dont even have php extensions and I really dont want to have to sift these logs all the time :P |
| 15:24.27 | SlayerXP | nvz: grep -v |
| 15:24.28 | Thanatermesis | LSorensen yeah.. i know, k3b is a awesome application.. but depeds of K*, and i don't use it :S |
| 15:24.32 | pipeline | nvz: Uh, a web server shouldn't need anything weird. Just change your logging settings to ignore that stuff. |
| 15:24.35 | LSorensen | nvz: either port 80 is open or it isn't. people connecting requesting things that don't exist is part of life. |
| 15:24.40 | Thanatermesis | i need a better light' thing... gnomebaker not is bad for this :) |
| 15:24.50 | nvz | thats what I figured |
| 15:24.51 | LSorensen | Thanatermesis: how is depending on qt libs worse than depending on gnome libs? |
| 15:24.56 | Tchiak | Hello one and all! I got my printer working with linux, now i now i need to make it so a windows computer can print over the network to it. I have samba and even looked at some HOWTO's online but i still can't get the windows computer to see the printer over the network. any help? |
| 15:24.56 | SerajewelKS | nvz: you can always pick a non-standard port |
| 15:24.57 | nvz | they get to it like flies on shit :P |
| 15:25.04 | Bogaurd | jm_: thanks! found something that looks to fit the bill, will try it tomorrow :) |
| 15:25.05 | abrotman | nvz: set up the custom log to ignore php requests |
| 15:25.13 | stew | nvz: if you want to be more paranoid, is there a netmask that you can restrict your port 80 traffic to? |
| 15:25.26 | Thanatermesis | LSorensen gnomebaker just depends of little libs, not really gnome libs |
| 15:25.27 | LSorensen | Tchiak: did you tell samba in the config which type of printer system you are using? if you do the default printer share section should work fine |
| 15:25.34 | SerajewelKS | nvz: it's more likely worms on other people's servers looking to spread. i have similar php errors all over my access log. |
| 15:25.34 | LSorensen | Thanatermesis: odd name to give in then |
| 15:25.35 | nvz | stew: well I dont have to run it on port 80 I guess.. would make it less obvious. |
| 15:25.49 | stew | nvz: or maybe fail2ban? i dunno how flexible that is |
| 15:25.54 | Tchiak | LSorensen: I dunno :P mark me clueless |
| 15:25.55 | LSorensen | nvz: maybe a little. WOuld avoid the majority of dumb scripts |
| 15:25.55 | Thanatermesis | LSorensen yeah, hehe |
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| 15:26.19 | nvz | stew: hmm thats more what I would want some actuall methods in place to try reduce traffic |
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| 15:26.19 | LSorensen | nvz: of course means to use it you have to add the port to the http luine to connect |
| 15:26.20 | Kernel_Core | hi all |
| 15:26.21 | Bogaurd | jm_: is LWP usually installed with perl? i'll be trying to run this on my uni machines. |
| 15:26.23 | Kernel_Core | res_agi.c:246 launch_script: unable to create fromast pipe: Too many open files :(( |
| 15:26.47 | SerajewelKS | nvz: just use a different port. that will reduce traffic. |
| 15:27.13 | Kernel_Core | how do I fix this error ?! |
| 15:27.18 | LSorensen | nvz: if you avoid 80-89, 1080, 8000-8100, you are probably free from the ones most checked |
| 15:27.30 | nvz | I dont have resources to serve the world.. I just want to have some stuff like the PDF bus schedule translated to XHTML or a CGI that generates the XHTML on the fly.. an IRC gateway.. cause right now I cant stay on IRC long on the phone.. I cant find out why cause the gateway is running on a server I dont have access to |
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| 15:27.38 | LSorensen | Kernel_Core: no idea what that is from, or what youa re doing |
| 15:27.38 | Tchiak | i have a printer section on it that has my printer name the spool path, public, yes, printable yes, |
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| 15:27.50 | LSorensen | Tchiak: and what printer system are you using? |
| 15:27.57 | Tchiak | cups |
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| 15:28.11 | LSorensen | Tchiak: then all you have to do is set the printer system to cups, and the default section would work fine |
| 15:28.17 | jm_ | Bogaurd: hmm good question - I think it's installed quite often, but not always (you can install CPAN modules in your dir too) |
| 15:28.34 | Bogaurd | cool, thanks :) |
| 15:28.39 | LSorensen | Tchiak: I can show you if you join #flood |
| 15:28.42 | nvz | I wish I could ssh from my phone :P |
| 15:28.51 | stew | yikes, don't install perl modules with CPAN on debian! |
| 15:28.53 | Kernel_Core | LSorensen: I am running asterisk with h323 and astbill for accounting , I am running 2.6.15.6 ... how do I increate the open files ? |
| 15:29.00 | SerajewelKS | nvz: i can ssh from my PDA =P |
| 15:29.06 | Bogaurd | and a final question - OSX machines would have perl installed most likely also, yeah? |
| 15:29.09 | LSorensen | Kernel_Core: I have never even looked at asterisk |
| 15:29.10 | jm_ | nvz: can id to java? |
| 15:29.14 | stew | Bogaurd: apt-cache search LWP |
| 15:29.21 | nvz | everytime I see CPAN I think CSPAN that damn channel that has a camera fixed on the Congress room with nobody in it right now |
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| 15:29.29 | nvz | jm_: duh? |
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| 15:29.35 | jm_ | nvz: sorry can it* |
| 15:29.42 | noideaatall | hello |
| 15:29.45 | Kernel_Core | LSorensen: what about linux kernel ? how do I increase the open files on it ? |
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| 15:30.00 | noideaatall | i've jsut finished installing my debian sarge |
| 15:30.03 | Bogaurd | thanks stew, not on the machine atm, and alot of these machines on campus are not debian anyway |
| 15:30.10 | Tchiak | LSorensen:Ok i'll go to flood |
| 15:30.12 | noideaatall | but i cant notmal boot it |
| 15:30.26 | tarzeau | what's the command to remove empty directories? |
| 15:30.29 | tarzeau | rmdir? |
| 15:30.39 | nvz | SerajewelKS: yeah well I got a Samsung SPH-A740 its a shitty little flip phone CLDC 1.0 MIDP1.0 J2ME enabled phone with like 1000kb internal memory available to user for applications and such |
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| 15:30.51 | stew | tarzeau: yes |
| 15:30.52 | tarzeau | i've got a subtree of files and directories where i want to remove one empty directory completely |
| 15:30.54 | jm_ | nvz: anyway, mindterm is ssh client written in Java |
| 15:31.04 | BillGates | is there a way to burn audio cd from mp3? k3b and graveman refuse to do that. should I convert to wav? |
| 15:31.09 | tarzeau | stew: so i need to run find with rmdir, several times? no better solution? |
| 15:31.17 | abrotman | BillGates: gnomebaker? |
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| 15:31.23 | nvz | SerajewelKS: I got it doing all kinds of shit right now.. I got some cool games, timer apps, IRC client, stream viewer.. watch tv on the go. |
| 15:31.27 | abrotman | BillGates: you may need lame .. not sure |
| 15:31.28 | stew | tarzeau: "find -type d | xargs rmdir" |
| 15:31.36 | tarzeau | stew: you're my hero! |
| 15:31.59 | Thanatermesis | mmmh, i have writed a dvd with gnomebaker (a dvd rw), but i can't posible to mount it, similar to not has writed correctly... any way to verify or "close session" maybe ? |
| 15:32.04 | noideaatall | i beleive "X" is wrong configured |
| 15:32.08 | nvz | jm_: I've been trying to test mutelnet which should run on my phone.. I was gonna try connecting to tarzeau's telnet server if he's still running it :P I thought he had nethack running |
| 15:32.13 | stew | !drxx noideaatall |
| 15:32.13 | dpkg | noideaatall: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 15:32.16 | noideaatall | whats the command to configure X again ? |
| 15:32.24 | nvz | jm_: keep getting errors trying to install it to my phone though |
| 15:32.26 | tarzeau | nvz: try port 1 or 65535 or port 23 |
| 15:32.38 | tarzeau | nvz: i run the nethack server only when my workstation is up, on port 27015 |
| 15:32.40 | abrotman | tarzeau: that doesn't affect stew's productivity .. you should thank him correctly |
| 15:32.47 | stew | heh |
| 15:32.55 | tarzeau | !mount abrotman |
| 15:33.02 | abrotman | !hump tarzeau |
| 15:33.12 | stew | abrotman: i have productivity to burn fuckface! |
| 15:33.20 | noideaatall | ty stew |
| 15:33.22 | abrotman | stew: yes you do :) |
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| 15:33.43 | abrotman | stew: you could do that .. what a hundred more times .. and probably be fine :) |
| 15:33.49 | stew | "fine" |
| 15:33.55 | abrotman | heh |
| 15:34.22 | noideaatall | sorry, i have a nother question ... do you guys what driver should i use fore an integrated video card .... would vga or vesa work better ? |
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| 15:34.43 | stew | noideaatall: what does "lspci | grep VGA" say the card is? |
| 15:35.11 | abrotman | -i vga! |
| 15:35.16 | nvz | I havent found many sources for apps yet.. about 2 free sites midlet.org and something else, 3gupload which I got a few useful things from and I can use for formatting files for my phone and uploading them on it.. cost me $7 for 6mo to subscribe.. and sprints website.. and most their apps suck. |
| 15:35.50 | vhuren | is there a way to automantically move files from one shell to another using scp? |
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| 15:36.02 | noideaatall | stew |
| 15:36.07 | nvz | so I started reading up on J2ME and its dead simple from what it looks like in the books.. you dont design anything basically.. you just say what you'd like to happen and the platform you run it on decides what actually happens |
| 15:36.11 | xoz | vhuren: shell? |
| 15:36.19 | noideaatall | lspcia ... says its not a command |
| 15:36.34 | pipeline | nvz: J2ME is complicated |
| 15:36.36 | stew | noideaatall: lspci |
| 15:36.36 | noideaatall | whops |
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| 15:36.40 | noideaatall | my fault' |
| 15:36.40 | gypsymauro | hello |
| 15:36.45 | pipeline | nvz: Because there's two levels of J2ME: One that is useful and one that is not. |
| 15:36.56 | marsje | Question: I want to use squirrelmail with dovecot. I can login with my mailclient, but when I log in with with squirrelmail I can't login. mail.log says: "dovecot: imap-login: Aborted login: rip=127.0.0.1, lip=127.0.0.1, secured" |
| 15:36.56 | pipeline | nvz: Most non-smartphone phones that support J2ME are under the "not" category |
| 15:37.04 | pipeline | nvz: A crippled J2ME that's hardly useful for anything but videogames :\ |
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| 15:37.12 | Thanatermesis | if i "close" a DVD (rw) of im trying to write... i can posible to write again on it ? (formating it maybe?) |
| 15:37.14 | gypsymauro | there is a doc on how installa a kernel 2.6.15 (with udev then) on debian sarge ala debian way? |
| 15:37.27 | noideaatall | stew: it says its VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82815 CGC |
| 15:37.34 | noideaatall | so VGA would work better right ? |
| 15:37.38 | pipeline | gypsymauro: udev is satan. |
| 15:37.52 | abrotman | should work with i810 |
| 15:37.56 | pipeline | noideaatall: VGA compatible just means it's VGA compatible. You don't want to treat every VGA compatible controller like it's just VGA. |
| 15:38.08 | pipeline | noideaatall: The VGA driver would work fine with that thing, but the VGA driver sucks. Because VGA sucks. |
| 15:38.09 | Thanatermesis | gypsymauro i don't thing to its posible.... this kernel needs a recent udev to sarge don't has |
| 15:38.10 | gypsymauro | pipeline: why you sai that? |
| 15:38.16 | raz0 | Thanatermesis, sure. |
| 15:38.19 | stew | noideaatall: chose i810 in the X config |
| 15:38.23 | pipeline | gypsymauro: Because it was forged in hell, by hitler's mutant children. |
| 15:38.27 | Thanatermesis | raz0 about the dvd ? |
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| 15:38.36 | raz0 | Thanatermesis, Yeah |
| 15:38.37 | nvz | pipeline: well you are actually programming the MIDP which is the device profile that says what that particular device can do |
| 15:38.38 | Thanatermesis | ok :) |
| 15:38.45 | gypsymauro | pipeline: :P |
| 15:38.56 | bowman | heya :) anyone know how to add a command line option for mysqld into the /etc/init.d mysql startup scripts? |
| 15:38.57 | pipeline | gypsymauro: Be grateful that Sarge doesn't /require/ you to use udev. Avoid the transition as long as possible. |
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| 15:39.18 | noideaatall | ok stew .... i choosed i810 ... but now its asking for video card bus indentifier |
| 15:39.19 | noideaatall | :S |
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| 15:39.21 | stew | pipeline: etch won't require it either |
| 15:39.33 | stew | noideaatall: leave it blank unless you are on a mac or have 2 cards |
| 15:39.33 | wimpies | Hi I want to mount my USB disk always on the same node (and not on dev/sbx which jumps around) |
| 15:39.37 | stew | noideaatall: same for amount of ram |
| 15:39.45 | nvz | pipeline: like I may say show 4 softkey functions and you may have 4 buttons, I have 2, and someone else has 3.. and based on the priority of the commands in the program and the spec in the profile it displays that how it wants.. might show all as softkeys on yours, will show maybe two menus for my two softkeys.. |
| 15:40.04 | pipeline | stew: Heh, a huge amount of software on unstable already requires udev. And udev is the only way to get reasonable hotplug functionality in unstable. It's going tobe a practical necessity in etch, I expect. |
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| 15:40.24 | yggdrasil | good morning guys ive gota kind of a wierd question about x. |
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| 15:40.35 | tarzeau | yggdrasil: it's evening here |
| 15:41.12 | yggdrasil | ive run a script that start up my daemon and when i have problems i can run the stop part of the script.. im wondering if i can add a cmd that will start xine to the script. im usualy sshd in to the box to start andstop it. |
| 15:41.19 | yggdrasil | tarzea pardon |
| 15:41.27 | dvm1981 | tarzeau: And here 16:44 :-/ |
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| 15:41.38 | yggdrasil | its 08:41 |
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| 15:41.42 | noideaatall | and what port should i put .... if im using a regular ps2 mouse ? |
| 15:41.48 | hollandlucas | Hello everyone! |
| 15:41.53 | tarzeau | !hi hollandlucas |
| 15:41.56 | noideaatall | " /dev/psaux " ? |
| 15:42.18 | hollandlucas | I'm about to install Debian Etch for the first time... |
| 15:42.33 | stew | noideaatall: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 15:42.44 | yggdrasil | or basicly like right now im sshd in to the box from my office and i would like to start xine on the screen at home how can i do that ? |
| 15:42.58 | fireba11 | hollandlucas: why are you installing etch ? that's testing .. use stable :-) |
| 15:43.08 | hollandlucas | I want current packages |
| 15:43.17 | tarzeau | hollandlucas: then you want to install stable, and upgrade to sid |
| 15:43.21 | fireba11 | hollandlucas: use backports if you miss something |
| 15:43.26 | tarzeau | hollandlucas: but that's only my personal suggestion |
| 15:43.30 | noideaatall | stew: its working now !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 15:43.31 | noideaatall | :D |
| 15:43.33 | tarzeau | hollandlucas: and other people in here don't support sid |
| 15:43.34 | hollandlucas | Well, if I install sarge |
| 15:43.37 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 15:43.37 | dpkg | sid faq is, like, http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 15:43.38 | hollandlucas | and upgrade to sid |
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| 15:43.45 | noideaatall | ty alot man |
| 15:43.50 | tarzeau | hollandlucas: that's what *i* always do |
| 15:43.51 | xoz | !tell yggdrasil about sshx |
| 15:44.00 | hollandlucas | What's bad about testing? Better than unstable... |
| 15:44.07 | cire | can somebody tell me, how to replace a harddisk in an soft raid1 array? (what stepüs do I have to do?) |
| 15:44.11 | tarzeau | hollandlucas: why is testing better than unstable? it's older |
| 15:44.24 | tarzeau | err bad |
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| 15:44.27 | hollandlucas | Yes but it's newer than stable. |
| 15:44.31 | fireba11 | hollandlucas: anything specific you need from testing/unstable ? |
| 15:44.33 | tarzeau | hollandlucas: but it's not current |
| 15:44.33 | dsacode | Hello! I just bought LCD monitor (1280x1024 @ 75 hz) and now all fonts looks ugly.. May be there's some howto to get nice fonts? |
| 15:44.38 | tarzeau | hollandlucas: you said you want current packages |
| 15:44.44 | hollandlucas | yes |
| 15:44.48 | hollandlucas | AND a stable system |
| 15:44.50 | tarzeau | hollandlucas: and testing can lag from 10 days (usually) up to many more |
| 15:44.55 | tarzeau | hollandlucas: testing is not a stable system |
| 15:45.02 | fireba11 | dsacode: change resolution to 1280*1024 |
| 15:45.04 | xoz | dsacode: define ugly? |
| 15:45.05 | tarzeau | hollandlucas: testing can break badly too |
| 15:45.07 | yggdrasil | xoz so how would that work for my scripts ? |
| 15:45.08 | hollandlucas | So I can't have a stable system AND current packages |
| 15:45.17 | vhuren | if I have 2 servers that are load balanced using a round robin system how do I make it so that files uploaded on one in a specific directory is automantically duplicated on the other? is there any way to script this? |
| 15:45.17 | dsacode | fireba11, it's 1280x1024 resolution |
| 15:45.20 | dsacode | xoz, not nice :) |
| 15:45.23 | tarzeau | hollandlucas: well sarge isn't that old yet... |
| 15:45.27 | fireba11 | hollandlucas: you can use sarge and backports if you need a couple newer packages |
| 15:45.30 | tarzeau | hollandlucas: and etch is planned for end of this year... |
| 15:45.35 | fireba11 | dsacode: then it won't be ugly |
| 15:45.39 | hollandlucas | Or I stick to ubuntu |
| 15:45.48 | tarzeau | hollandlucas: you can use sid, and not upgrade daily... |
| 15:45.52 | xoz | yggdrasil: no idea |
| 15:45.53 | dvm1981 | stupid |
| 15:45.57 | hollandlucas | So is sid stable? |
| 15:46.04 | yggdrasil | for the most part |
| 15:46.05 | tarzeau | hollandlucas: no |
| 15:46.08 | fireba11 | hollandlucas: obviously not |
| 15:46.09 | possie | is it possible to have 1 agp video card and 1 pci video card, and use them in a sort of twin view configuration? |
| 15:46.09 | tarzeau | hollandlucas: but neither is testing |
| 15:46.10 | yggdrasil | unitl you hit update haha |
| 15:46.28 | Fox | possie: yes it is |
| 15:46.28 | tarzeau | well it's stable enough for me |
| 15:46.31 | fireba11 | possie: yes .. but a pain in the ass to set up i think |
| 15:46.41 | Fox | fireba11: not at all :) |
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| 15:46.50 | Roey | hello |
| 15:46.51 | hollandlucas | So with debian I have the choice: I either get an old system (stable) that is stable or a newer one (testing/unstable) that is up-to-date |
| 15:46.52 | fireba11 | hollandlucas: WHY do you want fresh shiny new packages anyway ? |
| 15:47.01 | possie | fireba11, that's what i was thinking as well ;-) |
| 15:47.04 | Eulex | hollandlucas, I think you and the debian project has different definitions of 'stable' |
| 15:47.15 | hollandlucas | Maybe you can enlighten me |
| 15:47.15 | possie | Fox, nice, never got the change to try it out, i was really curriouse |
| 15:47.21 | Roey | anyone know if the new Nessus 3.0 front-end requires a specific version of GCC in order to build? |
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| 15:47.24 | xoz | hollandlucas: www.debian.org |
| 15:47.32 | pengol | when migrating from inet to xinetd, inetd.conf entries should be replaced manually? |
| 15:47.37 | Fox | the only problem I jad was to figure out that I had to change my BIOS settings to boot using PCI video card or the pci card wouldn't work :/ |
| 15:47.38 | tarzeau | hollandlucas: which software is too old for you? |
| 15:47.45 | Fox | s/jad/had/ |
| 15:47.48 | tarzeau | hollandlucas: do you know #ubuntu ? |
| 15:47.48 | hollandlucas | So which version do I choose if I want both - a stable sys and current packages? |
| 15:47.50 | hollandlucas | I do |
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| 15:47.52 | brammator | what is "PCI: IRQ 0 for device 0000:00:04.0 doesn't match PIRQ mask" mean? sis900 module, 2.6.15 |
| 15:48.10 | tarzeau | hollandlucas: freebsd |
| 15:48.20 | Eulex | hollandlucas, the packages in stable has been thoroughly tested. that means that they're a bit older than the current releases. that's the price you pay for a stable system. |
| 15:48.22 | wewrrss | hey, is there any howto about booting debina from HW raid (installing system on ide, installind raid controlelr driver, changing boot to raid device etc..) ??? |
| 15:48.36 | hollandlucas | But they do get updatet, Eulex |
| 15:48.49 | tarzeau | hollandlucas: only security updates for stable |
| 15:48.52 | Eulex | hollandlucas, yes, when a new debian stable is released. |
| 15:49.02 | hollandlucas | And testing gets updated all the time? |
| 15:49.09 | Eulex | hollandlucas, yes. |
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| 15:49.16 | hollandlucas | as well as unstable? |
| 15:49.18 | tarzeau | hollandlucas: and sid gets updated even more all the time |
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| 15:49.27 | hollandlucas | How stable is Sid? |
| 15:49.30 | tarzeau | hollandlucas: no packages that are for 2-10 days in sid move to testing |
| 15:49.35 | Coweater | it's unstable |
| 15:49.38 | tarzeau | hollandlucas: but sometimes it takes months until they move |
| 15:49.51 | hollandlucas | so testing is in the middle between stable and unstable |
| 15:50.01 | tarzeau | hollandlucas: it's stable enough for my personal workstation to do websurfing, mailng and listening music and watch tv |
| 15:50.05 | tarzeau | hollandlucas: yes |
| 15:50.10 | Tchiak | Ok new problem, a windows machine can see the printer on the linux box, but when they try to add it it says they need printer drivers for it. We already have the hp printer drivers for the 1350 installed on the windows machines.. do we need the 1300 drivers? same as the ppd that's on the machine? |
| 15:50.14 | syntaxis | hollandlucas: and testing has a security team, whereas unstable does not |
| 15:50.15 | tarzeau | hollandlucas: and there is a partly archive called experimental |
| 15:50.34 | hollandlucas | tarzeau, so you use unstable for your daily work |
| 15:50.47 | tarzeau | hollandlucas: yes |
| 15:50.50 | tarzeau | hollandlucas: for 6 years |
| 15:50.57 | chealer9 | syntaxis: unstable's security team is the whole Debian maintainers team |
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| 15:51.10 | hollandlucas | So testing is probably the best option for me? |
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| 15:51.23 | tarzeau | syntaxis: really? where? |
| 15:51.29 | tarzeau | syntaxis: i can't see anything at http://www.debian.org/security/2006/dsa-1001 |
| 15:51.39 | chealer9 | hollandlucas: if stable does not suit you, you're left with testing |
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| 15:51.42 | xoz | hollandlucas: best is relative. define what is your application. |
| 15:51.46 | syntaxis | chealer9: so it isn't a security team at all |
| 15:51.48 | azeem | tarzeau: http://merkel.debian.org/~joeyh/testing-security.html |
| 15:51.48 | tarzeau | chealer9: and they are faster than testing |
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| 15:52.07 | KiD|Vidjeuh | i can't boot from my cd! Howcome ?? Help me pls ! |
| 15:52.10 | tarzeau | azeem: thanks for that link |
| 15:52.13 | chealer9 | tarzeau: of course |
| 15:52.19 | hollandlucas | How about his: I describe to you guys what I need and you tell me which flavour of debian is right for me? |
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| 15:52.29 | xoz | hollandlucas: shoot |
| 15:52.33 | hollandlucas | okay |
| 15:52.39 | stew | hollandlucas: stable |
| 15:52.43 | tarzeau | hollandlucas: ubuntu |
| 15:52.50 | chealer9 | syntaxis: it's not exclusively a security team, but it does manage security |
| 15:53.03 | KiD|Vidjeuh | why can't i boot from the cd ? |
| 15:53.05 | hollandlucas | I'd like to setup a workstation for me. I want the system to be stable but on the other hand I like to have packages that are updated frequently. |
| 15:53.17 | syntaxis | chealer9: it doesn't, really - it depends entirely on the package maintainer in question |
| 15:53.18 | tarzeau | hollandlucas: ubuntu |
| 15:53.35 | useruser | KiD|Vidjeuh: did you tell your computer to boot from the cd? |
| 15:53.39 | KiD|Vidjeuh | yes |
| 15:53.45 | KiD|Vidjeuh | i pressed f12 |
| 15:53.46 | hollandlucas | anyone having a different opionion than tarzeau? |
| 15:53.51 | KiD|Vidjeuh | then 4 options |
| 15:53.56 | chealer9 | syntaxis: it does, really |
| 15:53.56 | stew | KiD|Vidjeuh: can you boot other cds and just not this one? |
| 15:54.00 | syntaxis | chealer9: thankfully the testing-security team tends to keep an eye on unstable as well to try to make sure *new* vulnerabilities aren't added to testing |
| 15:54.15 | xoz | hollandlucas: your description does not make sense. be more specific. |
| 15:54.19 | KiD|Vidjeuh | i don't know that , i don't have other boot cds |
| 15:54.24 | hollandlucas | Okay |
| 15:54.24 | syntaxis | chealer9: I submit that it is worthwhile to have a team of knowledgeable individuals in a position of oversight over and above the individual package maintainers |
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| 15:54.29 | chealer9 | hollandlucas: yes. testing |
| 15:54.38 | stew | hollandlucas: what are you using now? |
| 15:54.43 | hollandlucas | Ubuntu |
| 15:54.49 | stew | hollandlucas: why do you want to switch? |
| 15:54.52 | tarzeau | chealer9: do you run testing? |
| 15:55.02 | KiD|Vidjeuh | y |
| 15:55.04 | chealer9 | tarzeau: on one PC, yes |
| 15:55.11 | tarzeau | chealer9: can you install kde and gnome? |
| 15:55.12 | hollandlucas | I'd like to see it's "mother" |
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| 15:55.34 | stew | tarzeau: all our user workstations run testing, but we don't run gnome or kde |
| 15:55.43 | Ronin | KiD|Vidjeuh: could you boot from any cd? windows or linux? what happens if you set the bios toboot from cd? how did you burn the image to cd? |
| 15:55.48 | hollandlucas | So testing is good for workstations? |
| 15:55.49 | xoz | hollandlucas: are you in science? research? business? desktop? just a hobby? sysadmin? security? trying to test packages? want to be a developer using the system as a test case...etc/ |
| 15:55.56 | tarzeau | stew: how many users is that? how's nobody wanting gnome nor kde? |
| 15:55.58 | chealer9 | tarzeau: I only use KDE, which of course installs, but I did install gnome-core yesterday for testing purposes without issues |
| 15:56.03 | stew | tarzeau: 3 |
| 15:56.03 | chealer9 | hollandlucas: yes |
| 15:56.04 | KiD|Vidjeuh | i burned it with easy cd creater |
| 15:56.09 | hollandlucas | hobby and school stuff mainly a bit of development |
| 15:56.09 | tarzeau | stew: we run stable on our workstations |
| 15:56.12 | tarzeau | stew: i see... |
| 15:56.18 | Tchiak | Ok new problem, a windows machine can see the printer on the linux box, but when they try to add it it says they need printer drivers for it. We already have the hp printer drivers for the 1350 installed on the windows machines.. do we need the 1300 drivers? same as the ppd that's on the machine? |
| 15:56.22 | stew | hollandlucas: lately gnome and kde have been uninstallable on testing |
| 15:56.25 | KiD|Vidjeuh | but it is good on the cd, because when i put the cd in i get inmediattly readme file |
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| 15:56.34 | stew | hollandlucas: well uninstallable in their entirety |
| 15:56.34 | tarzeau | chealer9: interesting... it used to be different |
| 15:56.40 | xoz | hollandlucas: partition your disk and install stable, testing, and unstable :) |
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| 15:57.19 | xoz | hollandlucas: or install stable and create a chroot for testing and unstable. |
| 15:57.25 | KiD|Vidjeuh | when i say 4: cd it sais error, f1 to retry f2 to go to setup |
| 15:57.46 | hollandlucas | How about the following option: Going for stable and using backports.org |
| 15:57.51 | xoz | hollandlucas: it is important that you can always have stable in case unstable/testing burp. |
| 15:57.58 | Fox | I would recommand installing sid and apt-listbugs, it would be stable enough don't you think ? |
| 15:58.18 | KiD|Vidjeuh | can i install linux on d partition from my c (with windowws) ?? |
| 15:58.21 | abrotman | !sid faq |
| 15:58.21 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 15:58.29 | abrotman | !colinux |
| 15:58.30 | dpkg | [colinux] http://colinux.org/. Cooperative Linux is the first working free and open source method for optimally running Linux on Microsoft Windows natively. More generally, Cooperative Linux (short-named coLinux) is a port of the Linux kernel that allows it to run cooperatively alongside another operating system on a single machine. For instance, it allows one to freely run Linux on Windows 2000/XP, without using a commercial PC virtualization software s |
| 15:58.33 | stew | hollandlucas: why not stick with ubuntu? |
| 15:58.36 | tarzeau | hollandlucas: it's for single packages or a bunch of them |
| 15:58.55 | hollandlucas | stew, because I'd like to try Debian |
| 15:58.56 | tarzeau | Fox: that's also my suggestion |
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| 15:59.28 | chance2105 | Hey all .. Where is a good reference to mixing the stable and testing branches in a debian install? |
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| 15:59.36 | abrotman | !flamethrower |
| 15:59.36 | dpkg | Ever seen what happens when you put fire to plastic? This is what happens when you mix your sarge sources with testing/unstable |
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| 15:59.48 | Fox | tarzeau: cool :) |
| 15:59.48 | hollandlucas | you know what? I'll think it through |
| 15:59.51 | hollandlucas | thanks for your help |
| 15:59.53 | chealer9 | tarzeau: it used to be different because you couldn't install the kde metapackage, which is quite understandable during 2 subsequent C++ ABI transitions since kde depends on the whole beast which is quite huge. |
| 15:59.54 | stew | chance2105: don't do it. /msg dpkg backports |
| 16:00.01 | hollandlucas | I'll be back when I've made a decision |
| 16:00.09 | hollandlucas | cya |
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| 16:00.16 | tarzeau | chealer9: it also used to be uninstallable 2 years ago, and 4 years ago. |
| 16:00.22 | chance2105 | stew, abrotman Wow. Whatever happened to pinning packages? |
| 16:00.23 | tarzeau | chealer9: and probably alot more times |
| 16:00.39 | chealer9 | tarzeau: sure, just like it used to be uninstallable in sid a lot more times |
| 16:00.46 | tarzeau | chealer9: true ;) |
| 16:00.47 | abrotman | chance2105: you can do it .. but things are likely to break .. it's your fair warning .. from now on .. we get to laugh at you :) |
| 16:00.49 | stew | chance2105: pinning between testing and unstable is fine, but the libraries in stable and testing are too far divergent |
| 16:01.00 | KiD|Vidjeuh | omg , i think i just quit with trying to dualboot , cause i don't understand a thing and nobody want's to help me :( |
| 16:01.03 | tarzeau | chealer9: but the chances are high it can be installed in sid |
| 16:01.08 | tarzeau | chealer9: higher than those in testing |
| 16:01.17 | abrotman | chance2105: testing has gone through a large C++ change .. you'll likely have a 75% testing machine in no time |
| 16:01.40 | tarzeau | chealer9: i mean who would do the huge effort to make sure all shit always works in testing except the maintainers of the individual packages? |
| 16:01.45 | chance2105 | abrotman: Ah. C++ ABI change .. upgraded GCC. Ok, gotcha. |
| 16:02.04 | abrotman | chance2105: so you're welcome to try .. but tons of stuff will probably break on you |
| 16:02.28 | stew | or you'll end up just running testing with a few sarge packages, in which case, just run testing |
| 16:02.57 | KiD|Vidjeuh | bye |
| 16:03.06 | KiD|Vidjeuh | if no1 wants to help me :s |
| 16:03.39 | stew | KiD|Vidjeuh: find some other bootable cd, so you can figure out if the problem is with the cd or the hardware |
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| 16:04.13 | chealer9 | tarzeau: at any given time, that's possible. but since we've started on this, I feel that your low esteem for testing compared to unstable is in good part due to these metapackages sometimes being uninstallable, and that's not a good reason to prefer unstable |
| 16:04.47 | chance2105 | Is testing scary? |
| 16:04.49 | chance2105 | :) |
| 16:05.08 | pipeline | chance2105: A little. Not usually. |
| 16:05.11 | chealer9 | chance2105: yes, testing is half-way between ground and hell |
| 16:05.14 | stew | chance2105: it has been annoying recently for kde/gnome users |
| 16:06.13 | stew | chance2105: both have gone through major revisions recently, causing lots of the packages to be temporarily dropped from testing to make room for the newer versions to propagate from unstable |
| 16:06.25 | Tchiak | I set up samba to share a printer, the printer can be seen, when the windows machine tries to connect to the printer the windows machine says it needs drivers installed, althought he drivers installed. then it asks if it can get the drivers from the server.. when you click yes, it says the drivers aren't found on the server. How can i fix this so the will work |
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| 16:06.40 | unstable | !tell chance2105 about testing |
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| 16:07.33 | xoz | Tchiak: google. not a debian specific problem. |
| 16:07.53 | stew | Tchiak: or try #samba |
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| 16:08.03 | chealer9 | tarzeau/others: fixing the fact that the kde metapackage is sometimes not installable in testing would involve removing meta-kde, which doesn't seem worth it, or playing with meta-kde a lot, which...could be considered, but not doing it only makes testing minimally worse |
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| 16:08.40 | xoz | the idea of a desktop in linux is anti-UNIX |
| 16:08.45 | Kernel_Core | guys : how do I change ulimit -n 3000 permanently ? |
| 16:08.57 | tarzeau | chealer9: it's not my reason to use unstable |
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| 16:09.23 | tarzeau | chealer9: it's not mainly about meta packages, but all packages and all their dependencies generally |
| 16:09.25 | priscila | xoz: why? linux is only for geeks or somene who likes console? |
| 16:09.43 | chealer9 | tarzeau: I hope, but I feel you refer to that issue too much to discourage people from using testing over sid |
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| 16:10.05 | jbroome | xoz: some would say having a girlfriend and not living at home is anti-unix too, but i chose to break the mold |
| 16:10.06 | chealer9 | tarzeau: why? I'm interested in what other packages you have in mind |
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| 16:10.10 | tarzeau | chealer9: maybe you're right |
| 16:10.14 | priscila | xdr: it isnt intelligent use console if it's more productive |
| 16:10.24 | tarzeau | chealer9: i don't remember. but there's many packages that just don't exist in testing yet... |
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| 16:10.56 | chealer9 | tarzeau: OK, I'm glad you acknowledge that. it's not that bad, but it was irritating me |
| 16:11.14 | xoz | priscila, jbroome:misunderstood. UNIX philsophy is based on systems that are independent agreeing on certain standards. like you can use a different window manager, a different filemanager... etc. kde and gnome change that picture. |
| 16:11.29 | chealer9 | tarzeau: yeah, but for genrally good reasons, like RC bugs, no? |
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| 16:11.57 | tarzeau | chealer9: that's something i can work around. i never blindly upgrade , nor do i do that daily |
| 16:12.17 | Shadowcat | lies |
| 16:12.21 | Shadowcat | tarzeau: we have video tapes! |
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| 16:12.28 | xoz | priscila: it forces you to use their own *sets* or meta-package of tools instead of making independent units. |
| 16:12.32 | syntaxis | making beta releases (and branching testing each time) as proposed in http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2006/03/msg00142.html would solve the problem of b0rkage |
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| 16:13.05 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: huh? |
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| 16:13.19 | chealer9 | tarzeau: hum, not sure which message you're replying to, but in any case I'm not questioning your ability to use unstable, I question your reasons for recommending testing over unstable to Debian users who are not expert |
| 16:13.28 | chealer9 | uh, the opposite recommendation |
| 16:13.50 | tarzeau | chealer9: i see. well during the 6 years i've used debian. i've used stable |
| 16:14.02 | tarzeau | chealer9: and i've seen, i often want newer software or something that's not in stable |
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| 16:14.10 | tarzeau | chealer9: then i tried testing (most natural thing) |
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| 16:14.35 | tarzeau | chealer9: and i've tried it more than once, until i came to the conclusion (which might only be valid for me) that i need sid |
| 16:14.52 | tarzeau | chealer9: of course all recommendations someone does is personal and might be subjective... |
| 16:15.04 | willows_mine | hey guys... just installed an emulator r |
| 16:15.12 | unstable | If you want to play tetris, apt-get install gtetrinet and then connect to tetrinet.debian.net |
| 16:15.16 | tarzeau | stew: thatnks. using -p with rmdir was perfect... |
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| 16:16.08 | willows_mine | thing to learn linux... i have a working internet connection but i cannot ping my gateway in the emulator... do I need to set it up first using certain commands? |
| 16:16.09 | priscila | xoz: gnome is very flexible,for example, you can use whatever wm instead metacity changing only a key in gconf |
| 16:16.14 | azeem | tarzeau: but not everybody has 6 years of experience with sid in here |
| 16:16.23 | dvm1981 | he he unstable and the tetrinet, i not play anymore with you, i loose always :-( |
| 16:16.27 | a-865 | I just tried to boot etch and got dumped to maintenance mode. shell finds no vi or tail. How can I fix /etc/fstab without vi? |
| 16:16.28 | azeem | actually, probably nobody who asks "should I use testing or unstable?" |
| 16:17.02 | dvm1981 | But tetrinet is an verry nice divertisment :-) |
| 16:17.02 | tarzeau | azeem: i came to my conclusion 3 months ago. and i don't claim i'm the person with the same needs like 80 % of the people... |
| 16:17.04 | chealer9 | tarzeau: sure, I would have reacted earlier if you had taken a stronger position, but I still prefer if your recommendations are optimal |
| 16:17.51 | strider | a-865: use nano |
| 16:17.55 | dvm1981 | Guys, tryed tetrinet? |
| 16:18.04 | pipeline | dvm1981: gtetrinet |
| 16:18.10 | willows_mine | thing to learn linux... i have a working internet connection but i cannot ping my gateway in the emulator... do I need to set it up first using certain commands? |
| 16:18.15 | a-865 | strider: thx :) |
| 16:18.29 | dvm1981 | pipeline: Oeps, that one is new ;-/ |
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| 16:19.27 | chealer9 | tarzeau: it does look to me like reasons for using unstable instead of testing excluding helping Debian have to be "personal" (or at least valid for few people) |
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| 16:20.26 | Sp4rKy | lol |
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| 16:22.32 | xoz | priscila: well, you can still configure them but their philosophy is opposite. instead of running simple systems/support tools -> to complexity, they already start running many unnecessary daemons. |
| 16:22.48 | cd_rom | how can i be sure that if i creat .xinitrc and .xsession in my home directory will be executed? |
| 16:23.10 | cd_rom | debian sarge 3.1, i can't find either of them and i need them for kde3.5 |
| 16:23.19 | cd_rom | any suggestion? |
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| 16:23.37 | tarzeau | chealer9: i didn't understand your last sentence. i'm not a native english person |
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| 16:24.02 | xoz | priscila: of course, both creates elegance and uniformity within their system... but running a gnome prog in kde or vice-versa looks very un-elegant. |
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| 16:24.39 | chealer9 | tarzeau: I was replying to " and i've tried it more than once, until i came to the conclusion (which might only be valid for me) that i need sid" |
| 16:25.32 | chealer9 | tarzeau: I think using unstable instead of testing can make sense if you're an expert and willing to report/fix bugs |
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| 16:26.03 | priscila | xoz: it's right .. |
| 16:26.11 | xoz | priscila: by the way, are you a gnome or kde user? |
| 16:26.18 | tarzeau | chealer9: true, i agree on the last thing you just said |
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| 16:26.39 | priscila | xoz: i use gnome .. |
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| 16:27.16 | hpcd | when will gnome 2.14 be available on apt-get.... it came out yesterday |
| 16:27.27 | azeem | hpcd: soon |
| 16:27.45 | resiak | !snvs |
| 16:28.12 | resiak | Bah, dpkg, why do you not know about Shiny New Version Syndrome? |
| 16:28.27 | chealer9 | tarzeau: otherwise, I think testing should be more sane than sid, and there should be few people who have functional reasons to use sid instead of testing as default release |
| 16:28.34 | priscila | xoz: in older times, i used icewm and i was very happy |
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| 16:28.56 | hpcd | whats dpkg |
| 16:28.57 | xoz | !sns syndrome |
| 16:28.57 | dpkg | sns syndrome is probably a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
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| 16:29.30 | tarzeau | chealer9: i'd like to know numbers of effective users of debian, and number of those who contribute back (with mails/bts) |
| 16:29.54 | tarzeau | chealer9: i believe the number of people who help is significantly higher than with all other software .. |
| 16:30.02 | hpcd | lol |
| 16:30.08 | tarzeau | chealer9: however i wouldn't like to make a guess |
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| 16:30.37 | xoz | priscila: yep icewm is nice. i also use it but recently switched to openbox. i try to avoid gnome/kde because the other wms are light and very keyboard friendly :) |
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| 16:30.45 | chealer9 | tarzeau: probably, but hard to say indeed |
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| 16:31.15 | tarzeau | chealer9: it would've been easier when all people got asked if they want to participate in popcon. pity it was removed from the installer |
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| 16:31.39 | chealer9 | tarzeau: hehehe |
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| 16:32.26 | chealer9 | tarzeau: hah, after all your popcon calls, I don't have it on my laptop. |
| 16:32.50 | chealer9 | I should stop testing d-i so frequently :) |
| 16:33.09 | tarzeau | chealer9: heh |
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| 16:33.53 | stew | tarzeau: any idea why its not in d-i anymore? |
| 16:34.08 | Tchiak | ok this is fun |
| 16:34.23 | Tchiak | windows machien can now add printer |
| 16:34.27 | Tchiak | print page |
| 16:34.30 | xoz | priscila: if you apt-cache show openbox, it describes somethings i said here regarding standards and interoperability. |
| 16:34.46 | Tchiak | cups says job was successfully printed |
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| 16:34.50 | Tchiak | printer says otherwise |
| 16:35.00 | xoz | priscila: which is share by other light wms. |
| 16:35.25 | tarzeau | stew: it was in, and got removed from the changelogs |
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| 16:35.28 | xoz | *shared* |
| 16:35.31 | tarzeau | stew: i'm not sure what the reason exactly was |
| 16:35.40 | Tchiak | any suggestions |
| 16:35.41 | Tchiak | ? |
| 16:36.11 | cahoot | Tchiak: http://www.linuxprinting.org/till/printing-tutorial/tut.html#1_3_1 |
| 16:36.13 | priscila | xoz: i think so.. but i wish programming with glade, and i think is a good ideia uses gnome to accustum with gtk |
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| 16:36.53 | valdyn | i doubt rad tools are good to learn anything |
| 16:37.14 | Tchiak | cahoot according to the errorlog it says it sent it to the back end usb |
| 16:37.24 | Tchiak | then i hear nothing more from it |
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| 16:37.43 | xoz | priscila: yeah, glade is cool. gtk programming is *challenging* :) |
| 16:38.22 | priscila | xoz: :P |
| 16:38.37 | djp | would i benefit from using exim4 as an mta with spamassassin to retrieve my mail? i only have a desktop machine here, that retrieves email from my isp. is the exim4/spamassassin route overkill? |
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| 16:39.01 | xoz | priscila: i like kdevelop for my C++ projects :). |
| 16:39.24 | valdyn | djp: no |
| 16:39.34 | sp3000 | xoz, Im under the impression that e.g. metacity is quite anal about interop too |
| 16:39.36 | valdyn | djp: exim4 is also not for 'retrieving' mail |
| 16:40.08 | priscila | xoz: at the time, i use vim to write my little programs :P |
| 16:40.23 | priscila | s/at the time/now |
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| 16:40.30 | sp3000 | and sheesh, don't most of these supposedly 'light' WMs come with a panel? conflation :D |
| 16:40.34 | xoz | priscila: of course, vim is the best programming environment and editor :) |
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| 16:40.35 | djp | valdyn, i see. yeah, just reading, used to transfer mail TO my isp... thanks |
| 16:40.37 | nvz | tarzeau: its a simple yes or no, if no remove it, if yes you are with no additional effort participating in an anonymous servey that will help fine tune the future releases for our users |
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| 16:40.58 | xoz | sp3000: yep |
| 16:41.04 | tarzeau | nvz: i know, but it was removed... |
| 16:41.05 | sieso | anyone who works anytime whith MRTG? |
| 16:41.11 | valdyn | djp: i think you might be better off using a 'user' controlled mta |
| 16:41.14 | tarzeau | sieso: yes |
| 16:41.19 | sieso | ok |
| 16:41.26 | sieso | one question? |
| 16:41.31 | priscila | xoz: yeap .. it's simple and efficient |
| 16:41.44 | xoz | priscila: any linux distro without vim is not a real linux distro :) |
| 16:41.44 | sieso | is necessary install the SNMP service to make work MRTG? |
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| 16:41.54 | djp | valdyn, at the moment i just use evolution setup with my isp's pop3 and smtp details. is that good enough? |
| 16:42.02 | valdyn | djp: sure |
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| 16:42.27 | djp | valdyn, saves a headache anyway! ;) thanks valdyn... |
| 16:42.44 | xoz | priscila: i use vim most of the time. it can replace sed, awk, grep :) |
| 16:42.45 | nvz | I need to go get my pup something to chew on.. I should probably get out of my pjs. heh |
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| 16:43.06 | Thanatermesis | how i "close" a dvd aparently burned ? i can' tposible to read it... |
| 16:43.40 | xoz | Thanatermesis: rephrase your question. |
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| 16:43.51 | nvz | man if you burned it and it opened chances are the data either melted or oozed out :P |
| 16:43.55 | sieso | tarzeau: really I need the SNMP service in my machine? |
| 16:44.15 | Tchiak | be nice nvz :P |
| 16:44.21 | Thanatermesis | xoz i have a dvd burned with gnomebaker, but i can't read it after... maybe is not closed ? |
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| 16:44.26 | tarzeau | sieso: yes afaik. well you can run mrtg on one machine and snmp on another... |
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| 16:44.55 | xoz | Thanatermesis: how do you read it. can you describe the steps? |
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| 16:45.55 | Thanatermesis | xoz "trying to mount it" simply |
| 16:46.00 | conan | #deian |
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| 16:46.15 | priscila | xoz: do you know any distro without vim? if a debian base system would have vim instead nano, its would better, this is just an opinion |
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| 16:46.29 | Ronin | umm conan you're in #debian |
| 16:46.58 | nvz | I did a DVD copy with a DVDR on k3b (my cousin has a business making dvds..) and it didnt play in my dvd player.. that was about my extent of ever using the dvd capabilities of my drive |
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| 16:47.44 | xoz | priscila: yep. really? nano is the default instead of vim? |
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| 16:47.50 | sp3000 | priscila: well, in terms of "better for ..." maybe not so (regardless of holy wars, I think it's agreeable that vi* do take a bit more study up front than most) |
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| 16:48.17 | priscila | xoz: it is |
| 16:48.22 | xoz | Thanatermesis: what options you use in gnomebaker? |
| 16:48.34 | Thanatermesis | i don't have selected "finalize" |
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| 16:48.43 | Thanatermesis | i try with it now... im reformating the dvd... |
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| 16:49.02 | priscila | sp3000: i had said: "it's just an opinion" |
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| 16:49.27 | xoz | Thanatermesis: yep. and if there is an option about overburn or somthing like that.. |
| 16:49.40 | leikh | I'm looking for a fax server that _receives_ over IP (e.g 711a-codec) and converts the fax to pdf and then emails it. Does it exist? |
| 16:50.03 | sp3000 | priscila: well, making your opinion known does open you up to having that opinion challenged, that's to be expected :) |
| 16:50.11 | Thanatermesis | xoz nah, im writing just 2 gb |
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| 16:50.16 | pengol | I have messages and syslog full of named[3627]: sysquery: no addrs found for root NS (X.ROOT-SERVERS.NET) anybody can help? |
| 16:50.29 | xoz | Thanatermesis: bootable option? |
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| 16:50.36 | Thanatermesis | no, just data |
| 16:50.53 | subwr | what program can tell me my ip and log the ip changes? |
| 16:50.56 | xoz | Thanatermesis: are you burning an image or copying another dvd? |
| 16:51.19 | priscila | sp3000: but it isnt my intention :P |
| 16:51.27 | Brad2 | ifdown:ifup eth0 will restart the network card right? |
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| 16:51.54 | xoz | Brad2: what about /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 16:52.19 | Brad2 | no such file or dir |
| 16:52.44 | Brad2 | its network |
| 16:52.46 | Brad2 | strange |
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| 16:52.59 | nvz | leikh: sounds like three different programs to me. no idea. nothing in debian though. there are fax utils for phone, ham radio..etc but nothing like you mention |
| 16:53.52 | cahoot | sktf vill ha medlemsavgift av johanna |
| 16:54.01 | cahoot | sorry |
| 16:54.15 | xoz | subwr: scandetd, scanlogd |
| 16:55.02 | madd_matt | Hey everybody. I'm going to install debian on my desktop today, and was wondering something. On gentoo, i can specify for certain programs to be grabbed from unstable repositories, i was wondering if i could do the same thing on debian with apt-get? |
| 16:55.25 | nvz | madd_matt: *groan* :P |
| 16:55.35 | stew | madd_matt: its not recommended to mix them into stable, instead: /msg dpkg backports |
| 16:55.40 | nvz | madd_matt: is that really nessicary? |
| 16:55.57 | stew | madd_matt: or /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 16:56.06 | madd_matt | not really. I was just wondering if it was possible. |
| 16:56.11 | nvz | madd_matt: can be done, but should be avoided at all costs.. backporting is better as stew said |
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| 16:56.33 | stew | Brad2: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 16:57.18 | xoz | Brad2: apt-get install netbase |
| 16:57.20 | nvz | madd_matt: you run a great risk of not only badly screwing up your whole package system and such, but you are making any issues you have difficult for anyone to troubleshoot because many of your libs and stuff arent the same as everyone else's |
| 16:57.21 | madd_matt | nvz, stew, backporting is what I had in mind. thank you. |
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| 16:57.45 | madd_matt | anyways i'll most likely not use it, but its good to know that its available. |
| 16:58.08 | xoz | madd_matt: anything is possible at your own risks |
| 16:58.09 | stew | madd_matt: the difference is that in debian things are procompiled, so directly installing the binaries from unstable will get you binaries linked against the wrong libraries |
| 16:58.13 | nvz | madd_matt: `backports are built from the libs you have so only that new code is changed and narrows down the risks |
| 16:58.27 | FoxAFK | bye |
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| 16:58.57 | GutterPunk | Hi |
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| 16:59.30 | CAP3721 | Wenas, alguien que hable castellano y me quiera ayudar a configurar una red en vmWare |
| 16:59.34 | CAP3721 | plis |
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| 16:59.48 | xoz | #vmware |
| 16:59.49 | GoAuLd | !es |
| 16:59.49 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:59.52 | GutterPunk | I'm wondering about my sound. Playing an mp3 with mpg123 for example works, but when trying the same in rhythmbox, nothing happens, the progress bar doesn't move, but no error |
| 17:00.13 | GutterPunk | I installed gstreamer0.8 mad |
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| 17:00.34 | manu_ | hola |
| 17:00.47 | nvz | o.O |
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| 17:00.59 | manu_ | canales españoles? |
| 17:01.04 | Ronin | !es |
| 17:01.04 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:01.20 | manu_ | ok |
| 17:01.57 | Ronin | well that was easier then i thought it was going to be |
| 17:02.08 | GoAuLd | stupid |
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| 17:03.51 | GoAuLd | that guy closing entire irc client just to out of the channel |
| 17:04.24 | Ronin | not the first nor the last to do that one |
| 17:04.34 | vhuren | if I try to move a file with -rw------- 1 nobody 4294967295 permission it gives me permission denied how can I move this file while perserving the permission, I dont want to chmod these |
| 17:05.13 | LoRez | vhuren: do it as root? |
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| 17:05.40 | xoz | vhuren: sudo cp -a if you are mving between fs |
| 17:05.43 | AbsolutZer0 | how do I kill a connection on debian? |
| 17:06.04 | xoz | AbsolutZer0: kill <process id> |
| 17:06.17 | AbsolutZer0 | if someone is connected, or if I am connected to someone how do kill the connection? |
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| 17:06.39 | AbsolutZer0 | how do I setermine if a PID is related to a connection? |
| 17:07.20 | xoz | AbsolutZer0: netstat, lsof |
| 17:07.30 | xoz | AbsolutZer0: or ps |
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| 17:08.18 | AbsolutZer0 | netstat does not show the process to which something is connected |
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| 17:08.26 | xoz | AbsolutZer0: netstat -plunt |
| 17:09.14 | AbsolutZer0 | thank you |
| 17:09.25 | xoz | AbsolutZer0: or maybe edit /etc/inetd.conf |
| 17:09.50 | AbsolutZer0 | nah netstat -p works just fine |
| 17:10.09 | AbsolutZer0 | cant believe I forgot the -p option, god I feel dumb today |
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| 17:11.09 | a-865 | I want to examine the contents of one deb file for a version I don't have installed anywhere. How can I find it on the web? I've looked on various mirrors like mirrors.kernel.org and can't seem to find any deb files at all. What I'm actually after is /etc/fonts/fonts.conf for sarge. |
| 17:11.16 | AbsolutZer0 | got him |
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| 17:11.55 | AbsolutZer0 | and then I am gonna edit my ipsec settings to keep him out. dumb chinese hackers |
| 17:11.56 | xoz | a-865: apt-file search /etc/fonts... |
| 17:12.10 | xoz | AbsolutZer0: honeypot |
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| 17:13.00 | a-865 | xoz: apt-file: command not found |
| 17:13.01 | pjv | anyone here used Imagemagick? |
| 17:13.23 | xoz | a-865: apt-get install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search <...? |
| 17:13.36 | AbsolutZer0 | I am not a honeypot |
| 17:13.40 | stew | pjv: many people, if you have a real question, just ask it |
| 17:13.54 | xoz | pjv: use convert |
| 17:13.58 | pjv | kool |
| 17:14.00 | GoAuLd | xoz you type really quick |
| 17:14.12 | pjv | i'm trying to use xvidcap |
| 17:14.29 | xoz | GoAuLd: i use voice command |
| 17:14.37 | pjv | i want to make the red window bigger but i don't know how |
| 17:14.43 | GoAuLd | whats that? sounds interesting |
| 17:14.55 | GoAuLd | are you kidding? |
| 17:14.58 | xoz | now my mind is dizzy |
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| 17:15.20 | AbsolutZer0 | hmmm |
| 17:15.35 | AbsolutZer0 | anyone know this www.nied.edu.na |
| 17:15.52 | pjv | xvidcap only records in what is viewed to the small window, anyone care to help on how i can make the recording full view? |
| 17:15.55 | AbsolutZer0 | they proxied through here |
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| 17:16.25 | RainbowW | is there a way to get thunderbird to search only for messages with attachments? |
| 17:16.34 | AbsolutZer0 | flags |
| 17:16.38 | xoz | AbsolutZer0: namibia |
| 17:16.44 | pipeline | RainbowW: Sort by attachments? |
| 17:16.57 | AbsolutZer0 | RainbowW: Sort by attacthcment |
| 17:17.13 | AbsolutZer0 | RainbowW: On the top bar there is a little paper clip button |
| 17:17.28 | RainbowW | ty |
| 17:18.03 | AbsolutZer0 | checking CIA world fact book |
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| 17:18.25 | xoz | AbsolutZer0: use google earth :) |
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| 17:18.50 | AbsolutZer0 | lol, a chinses hacker and a south african hacker, running exploit scanners |
| 17:18.54 | AbsolutZer0 | prolly the same guy |
| 17:18.58 | instalar_K | alguem fala portugues ? |
| 17:19.10 | GoAuLd | !br |
| 17:19.10 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 17:20.46 | a-865 | xoz: thanks for that, but told me what I already know, that that file is part of fontconfig. It's the fontconfig deb for sarge that I've not been able to figure out how to locate for download. |
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| 17:21.33 | xoz | a-865: fontconfig-config.deb? |
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| 17:22.03 | a-865 | xoz: sounds right, but where is it? |
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| 17:22.17 | a-865 | can't find any debs on web :( |
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| 17:22.24 | xoz | a-865: apt-get install cant find it? |
| 17:22.45 | a-865 | xoz: I don't want to install it. I want to examine it |
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| 17:22.55 | xoz | a-865: apt-get source |
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| 17:23.21 | xoz | a-865: add a source deb in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 17:23.32 | a-865 | xoz: that would get me the version for etch, but I want the one for sarge. |
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| 17:23.58 | xoz | a-865: add sarge in source list and apt-get install <packagename>/sarge |
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| 17:24.26 | xoz | a-865: or apt-get -d for download only |
| 17:24.39 | jair | guys If I have in my apache installation the root directory: "/home/steve" instead the default "/var/www/", when I install phpmyadmin, the apache and the php and database are looking for it in the default directory, it is a way I can make a link from the /var/www/ to the new root directory of the apache? |
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| 17:25.10 | erhanr | hi all |
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| 17:25.42 | xoz | jair: ln -s /home/steve /var/www/steve ? |
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| 17:26.00 | jair | XoR_, probably let me try :) |
| 17:26.07 | jair | xoz, let em try |
| 17:26.09 | jair | :) |
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| 17:26.35 | xoz | jair: no. what is really the name of the dir under /var/www it is looking for? |
| 17:26.52 | jair | xoz, and I will create the link from the directory "/home/steve/ |
| 17:26.54 | jair | ? |
| 17:27.06 | erhanr | where is mplayer |
| 17:27.11 | azeem | !marillat |
| 17:27.12 | dpkg | well, marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> <marillat.etch> <marillat.sid> |
| 17:27.14 | jair | xoz, phpmyadmin I think |
| 17:27.50 | jair | xoz, ok let see I think I am close to understand better the symbolic links on Linux |
| 17:28.05 | xoz | jair: you can configure apache to read /home/steve/public_html and you dont need to link it. just use http://localhost/~steve and it will point to public_html |
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| 17:28.51 | jair | xoz, I have as root directory: "/home/steve/index.htm" |
| 17:28.56 | xoz | jair: just comment out in http.conf the option for public_html |
| 17:29.23 | jair | xoz, and that directory have this: "/home/steve/index.htm and img" |
| 17:29.24 | xoz | jair: ah. so, link /var/www/steve to that dir |
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| 17:29.46 | xoz | jair: and access using http://localhost/steve |
| 17:29.56 | jair | xoz, and I will start the comamnd from the directory /var/www/? |
| 17:30.02 | RainbowW | god i'm gonna fucking cry |
| 17:30.02 | jair | right |
| 17:30.19 | xoz | jair: make sure to check steve files are owned by www-data |
| 17:30.30 | Sarge | buenas tardes alguien me puede decir cuales son los repositos oficiales de sarge actualmente ? |
| 17:30.32 | xoz | jair: both userid:groupid |
| 17:30.42 | Ronin | !es |
| 17:30.42 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 17:31.04 | jair | xoz, ok |
| 17:31.09 | jair | xoz, that should be it, |
| 17:31.21 | jair | xoz, I will be back to apply this configuration |
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| 17:31.27 | xoz | jair: and enable Followsymlink in httpd.conf |
| 17:31.41 | jair | xoz, if you are still around I let you know when I come back |
| 17:31.52 | xoz | jair: got the last one? this is important. got to sleep now :) |
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| 17:32.34 | jair | xoz, good night and thank you |
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| 17:33.08 | inigo | epas |
| 17:33.41 | inigo | ¿alguien ha intentado compilar ya el gnome 2.14 ? |
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| 17:34.32 | Ronin | !es |
| 17:34.32 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:34.36 | Ronin | wow spanish day today |
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| 17:35.21 | inigo | lol xD |
| 17:35.24 | inigo | i'm sorry |
| 17:35.50 | inigo | Ronin, i have typed bad the chanel (whitout -es) sorry |
| 17:35.53 | Silent_al | hi , which comman will perform a physical test to a HD ? |
| 17:35.57 | Silent_al | command* |
| 17:36.24 | paolob | Hi guys! I have testing on this pc. When I try to run remotely a gnome application with ssh, it fails if the screensaver has entered. What package do I submit this bug to? |
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| 17:36.56 | _pavel_db | if i have 2.4.32 and i want to apply patch-2.4.33-pre2 .. do I need to apply patch-2.4.33-pre1 first? |
| 17:37.21 | redguy | huh? how come blootbot is not available in sarge? |
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| 17:37.52 | a-865 | xoz: I added deb ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ sarge main to /etc/apt/sources.list, then ran apt-get update, then apt-get -d install fontconfig/sarge and it tells me "release'sarge' for 'fontconfig'was not found. :( |
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| 17:38.31 | cahoot | a-865: sid sources include fontconfig-config |
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| 17:39.22 | a-865 | cahoot: also not found fontconfig-config :( |
| 17:40.15 | egon_spengler | a-865: Might try an apt-cache search fontconfig to see if it is avail at all |
| 17:40.23 | FlimFlamMan | in gedit, is there a way to bind key combinations to the actions of moving to the file in the next/previous tab? |
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| 17:40.49 | cahoot | a-865: ok try here: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/libs/fontconfig-config |
| 17:41.10 | erhanr | fast :) cahoot |
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| 17:41.17 | erhanr | i was pasting it |
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| 17:42.12 | a-865 | egon_spengler: found there, but isn't that just telling me it found the one for etch? |
| 17:42.24 | a-865 | cahoot: isn't that the testing/unstable version there? |
| 17:42.31 | erhanr | for unstable |
| 17:42.47 | SerajewelKS | the hell, there's an IRC client for Emacs? |
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| 17:43.10 | SerajewelKS | i'm waiting to see when Emacs becomes a fully-functional operating system |
| 17:43.12 | stew | SerajewelKS: there are at least 2 viable ones, erc and rcirc |
| 17:43.19 | stew | SerajewelKS: its not already? |
| 17:43.34 | SerajewelKS | stew: with a kernel and all |
| 17:43.43 | stew | SerajewelKS: init=/usr/bin/emacs |
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| 17:43.50 | Quibus | SerajewelKS, there's almost everything for Emacs |
| 17:43.51 | erhanr | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?suite=all&subword=1&exact=&arch=any§ion=all&case=insensitive&keywords=fontconfig&searchon=names |
| 17:44.04 | SerajewelKS | stew: i.e. not the linux kernel |
| 17:44.07 | a-865 | cahoot: http://packages.debian.org/stable/libs/fontconfig-config doesn't exist |
| 17:44.18 | SerajewelKS | stew: i give it five years |
| 17:44.29 | SerajewelKS | Debian GNU/Emacs |
| 17:44.39 | cahoot | a-865: no it's not in stabel that's correct |
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| 17:49.31 | stew | SerajewelKS: "M-x tetris" will further your thoughts that its become quite a bit more than an editor |
| 17:50.32 | RQ | hi all. i'm trying to set up a secure smtp server with authentication. |
| 17:51.02 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 17:51.03 | dpkg | from memory, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 17:52.26 | a-865 | cahoot: now I'm really confused. if sarge doesn't have fontconfig, what's aliasing bitmap helvetica to a ttf font on http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/auth/Font/font-helvetica.html as people here told me it was doing? |
| 17:52.28 | djp | does it make any sense that a bluetooth adapter needs to be the first device on a usb controller? if i put my bluetooth adapter as the first device, it seems to work normally, however if it is 2, 3, 4 etc in the chain, it reports timeout errors. |
| 17:52.56 | djp | the above is under debian 3.1 sarge, by the way |
| 17:53.38 | stew | djp: shouldn't be like that. do you see any difference in what comes out of dmesg? |
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| 17:53.49 | stew | djp: does it show up in lsusb when its non-functional? |
| 17:54.47 | djp | stew, the device still works, even if the timeout messages are displayed, (at boot or shutdown). |
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| 17:55.34 | djp | it just seems that if the bluetooth adapter is first on my usb hub, the messages at boot or shutdown do not appear |
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| 17:56.53 | tombs | hi all |
| 17:57.44 | erhanr | hi tombs |
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| 17:58.39 | djp | stew, any ideas? |
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| 18:00.09 | unstable_ | http://pastebin.com/605796 |
| 18:00.13 | unstable_ | What is wrong with my fglrx? |
| 18:00.29 | debwriter | How do I search for a string in a text file and then delete the whole line in wich the string was found? |
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| 18:01.18 | djp | do i need to worry about configuring the mozilla-flash dsp-wrapper when prompted, when installing gnome under debian? |
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| 18:01.19 | cisse | debwriter: perl -pi -e 's/^*pattern*$//' ? |
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| 18:02.13 | cahoot | a-865: I got the impression you looked for fontconfig-config which seems to be a new part of the fontconfig pkg in unstable - whereas plain fontconfig is indeed in sarge |
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| 18:02.38 | stew | djp: sorry, i dunno. but i'd guess it was a fault with the usb hub |
| 18:02.58 | a-865 | cahoot: apt-get -d install fontconfig/sarge gave me a not found |
| 18:03.53 | djp | stew, ok thanks. well, hopefully i can get around any hub issues by plugging things in a certain order... hopefully ;) |
| 18:04.10 | a-865 | cahoot: http://packages.debian.org/stable/libs/fontconfig also is 404 |
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| 18:05.09 | RQ | hi all. i'm trying to set up a secure smtp server with authentication. and I get a weird problem - the SMTP server just shuts up after I issue STARTTLS to it. Any ideas why? I'm using Exim 4 |
| 18:05.20 | stew | a-865: its in utils not libs |
| 18:05.30 | stew | a-865: http://packages.debian.org/stable/utils/fontconfig |
| 18:05.37 | cahoot | a-865: http://packages.debian.org/stable/utils/fontconfig |
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| 18:11.33 | grendal_prime | hellooooooo |
| 18:11.36 | grendal_prime | anyone home? |
| 18:11.56 | SlayerXP | mo |
| 18:12.00 | SlayerXP | err no |
| 18:12.54 | jetscreamer | no |
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| 18:13.48 | grendal_prime | anyone using XGL rendering yet? |
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| 18:14.45 | faisal | hello |
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| 18:15.04 | unstable_ | !greet faisal |
| 18:15.04 | dpkg | Tag, faisal |
| 18:15.12 | __che__ | what version of gnome2 comes with sarge ? |
| 18:15.18 | unstable_ | grendal_prime: /join #xgl |
| 18:15.21 | debwriter | cisse I dit try this but it does not seem to do anything: perl -pi -e 's/^*pattern*$//' < input.txt > output.txt |
| 18:15.21 | a-865 | stew: cahoot thx much. I now know that Helvetica handling in Sarge is exactly the same as ETch aliasing Helvetica to Nimbus Sans L |
| 18:15.29 | ramiro | gnome for sarge |
| 18:15.56 | cisse | debwriter: well hrm i don't know |
| 18:15.59 | Quibus | I think it's GNOME 2.10 |
| 18:16.04 | Eulex | ramiro, /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 18:16.06 | Quibus | MIght be 2.8, thgouh |
| 18:16.36 | Eulex | Quibus, it's 2.8 iirc |
| 18:17.01 | Quibus | Eulex, OK, could be |
| 18:17.05 | __che__ | ok, 2.8, ty :) |
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| 18:17.44 | __che__ | i'm building an online distro shop ... that is why i've asked. |
| 18:17.44 | Quibus | hehe |
| 18:17.51 | Quibus | I thinjk those things are in Sarge's release notes |
| 18:17.58 | dorel | apache2 is bound to tcp6, how can i get it back all runing on ipv4 setup? |
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| 18:18.31 | pipeline | grendal_prime: About mach64, yesterday: mach64 dri isn't any faster than software rendering on a 1 GHz machine. Hence its being a low-priority project. |
| 18:18.57 | pipeline | grendal_prime: and XGL is.. buggy. |
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| 18:20.03 | loggygreg | debwriter: perl -pi -e 's/^.*pattern.*$//' |
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| 18:21.18 | tyler | why is it that an avi file cannot be played .. only thing that appears is....rainbow colored screen |
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| 18:22.33 | nautiazn85 | I currently use gentoo on my laptop, however I'm thinking about switching over to Debian. Would you guys recommend Debian or Ubuntu for desktop use (latest packages)? |
| 18:23.20 | Quibus | nautiazn85, probably, Debian folks recommend Debian, and Ubuntu folks recommend Ubuntu. :) If you use Debian, just use the current testing packages, though. |
| 18:23.21 | lightcap | can I download a debian kernel source package and treat it like it's just a plain old kernel source? I need to run the same kernel in a few User Mode Linux instances, and I know debian applies a fair number of patches to the kernel... |
| 18:23.43 | nautiazn85 | Quibus: is it easy to switch over to the testing packages? |
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| 18:24.10 | nautiazn85 | Quibus: I loved the gentoo community... but gentoo is just way too high maintenance... been using it for 6 months... tired of constantly updating and running into small quirks |
| 18:24.15 | Quibus | nautiazn85, it's easy, but it's better to use a snapshot of the Debian testing netinstall |
| 18:24.37 | Quibus | nautiazn85, ah, well that's also what I do with testing |
| 18:24.43 | syntaxis | nautiazn85: Unstable is more up-to-date than Testing, if that's what you're after |
| 18:24.48 | Quibus | nautiazn85, I update every day |
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| 18:25.08 | nautiazn85 | hmmm okay |
| 18:25.12 | nautiazn85 | i think ill give debian a try |
| 18:25.19 | nautiazn85 | ubuntu seems to bloated for me |
| 18:25.22 | Quibus | nautiazn85, I don't recommend unstable, it will give you even more quirks |
| 18:25.45 | nautiazn85 | Quibus, lets say a new version of firefox or openoffice is released... how long before it goes into testing? |
| 18:25.51 | Quibus | nautiazn85, lots of stuff is very similar to Debian though |
| 18:25.52 | syntaxis | Quibus: on the other hand, packages in Testing are often broken during transitions (and KDE and GNOME are the ones that most often suffer from this) |
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| 18:26.15 | Quibus | nautiazn85, it really depends. Can be 10 days or 2 months or so |
| 18:26.24 | Quibus | syntaxis, good point |
| 18:26.29 | syntaxis | nautiazn85: at least 10 days, generally - and that's if nothing's blocking it |
| 18:26.45 | nautiazn85 | man |
| 18:26.46 | Stevie | Which manual page do you want? |
| 18:26.50 | nautiazn85 | sounds like gentoo all over again |
| 18:26.56 | stew | syntaxis: updates to existing packages could theoretically be shorter than 10 days |
| 18:27.09 | Quibus | nautiazn85, except that you don't need to compile anything :) |
| 18:27.12 | syntaxis | stew: yes - it depends on the upload urgency |
| 18:27.53 | nautiazn85 | true... |
| 18:27.53 | pngwn | nautiazn85, debian.org/doc has an installation manual and a reference that are decent |
| 18:27.53 | syntaxis | stew: but that would only be in the event of e.g. a critical security update |
| 18:27.53 | nautiazn85 | the only reason im thinking about switching is because I'm constantly using my laptop... |
| 18:27.53 | nautiazn85 | i don't want to run into small quirks on the road |
| 18:27.54 | Quibus | nautiazn85, just give it a try |
| 18:28.05 | Quibus | nautiazn85, well, you can use stable, it has very little quirks, but it's a bit old |
| 18:28.06 | nautiazn85 | plus I want to install it on my server |
| 18:28.20 | nautiazn85 | and gentoo is def. not a server distro |
| 18:28.25 | nautiazn85 | it's very server unfriendly |
| 18:28.35 | grendal_prime | xgl looks kick ass...i mean pretty cool... |
| 18:28.50 | syntaxis | nautiazn85: you'd use stable + backports on a server |
| 18:29.22 | loxley__ | nautiazn85: try debian, it beats sitting compiling stuff and finding out the system runs 1% faster or worse even slower |
| 18:29.22 | stew | or just stable |
| 18:29.26 | valdyn | backports suck bad for a server |
| 18:29.37 | grendal_prime | backports = really cool, ive been looking alot at "unoffical debian" as well...hehe he dark..debian...underworld |
| 18:29.52 | nautiazn85 | loxley__, haha compiling does kind of suck |
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| 18:30.37 | nautiazn85 | sigh... so many options |
| 18:30.38 | syntaxis | valdyn, grendal_prime: backports.org is run by debian developers - there's even talk of adding it to the main archive post the mirror split... it's pretty official |
| 18:30.48 | GoAuLd | compiling not ever sucks |
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| 18:31.10 | valdyn | syntaxis: whatever it is officially, its not well maintained or kept in sync with upstream |
| 18:31.30 | stew | syntaxis: the idea of making it part of the main archive was rejected outright by the bpo maintainer, iirc |
| 18:31.32 | nautiazn85 | one thing I HATE with gentoo is the constant change with the baselayout |
| 18:31.37 | nautiazn85 | does debian do the same thing? |
| 18:31.46 | stew | nautiazn85: what is baselayout? |
| 18:31.56 | grendal_prime | syntaxis, ya i wasnt arguing that...i was just saying...i like it, i also thing the debian unoffical is really cool too |
| 18:32.01 | GoAuLd | try a boinc + seti client, clients without optimized flags run 20% to 40% slower |
| 18:32.05 | valdyn | syntaxis: once it gets official security support i might change my mind though |
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| 18:32.17 | syntaxis | valdyn: what's your basis for saying that? It's certainly kept in sync more than stable is |
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| 18:33.03 | GoAuLd | of course you wont notice apps in a click |
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| 18:33.14 | syntaxis | valdyn: the only reason the devs provide the backports is if they're using them themselves - hence, they're usually maintained very well |
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| 18:33.53 | valdyn | syntaxis: backports X breaks acpid, for months, its fixed for months in sid |
| 18:34.19 | nautiazn85 | stew: it's like the way the distro is structured... where init.d lies... where configuration files lie... etc. |
| 18:34.23 | azeem | valdyn: did you report it? |
| 18:34.36 | nautiazn85 | stew: uner gentoo it's constantly changing... so sometimes I have to go searching for my configuration files |
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| 18:34.59 | valdyn | azeem: no but i read the bug report |
| 18:35.03 | stew | nautiazn85: that wont change, debian always tries to adhere to the fhs (/msg dpkg fhs) and your conf files will always be /etc/packagename.conf or in /etc/packagename or something very similar |
| 18:35.25 | gary | I done something stupid. I set a password to switch the computer on as a quick key function. I set the password to "on", but when I type it, it doesn't work. When I press the on button it doesn't work. Any suggestions?! |
| 18:35.42 | nvz | whoo hoo I didnt even feel like going to the store to cash my check today.. I knew I wasnt getting any of that money :P |
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| 18:36.00 | stew | nautiazn85: you can also get a list of a package's conffiles in /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.conffiles |
| 18:36.02 | zoddan | anyone into the rights in the system ?, i think i have some serious problem, i cant access webmin i get "403", and i cant access my ftp from the outside |
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| 18:36.24 | syntaxis | valdyn: the recent DSA for sudo for *stable* ended up breaking it - shit just happens sometimes, IMO... I guess YMMV depending which packages you use |
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| 18:36.32 | nvz | I got out of there with $20.08 until Mar 23 :P PA sucks, dont move here |
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| 18:37.31 | syntaxis | stew: http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2006/03/msg00259.html - so at least one FTPmaster wants to see backports integrated into the main archive... could you provided your reference by way of contrast? |
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| 18:37.34 | SerajewelKS | i just watched the demo video of Xgl, and there is only one thing i have to say... FUCK WOW |
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| 18:38.02 | cahoot | wasn't that two? |
| 18:38.03 | nvz | Common Wealth Of Pennsylvania = high taxes + low wages, note that "Commonwealth" is a bit misleading.. the wealth is quite uncommon |
| 18:38.08 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: and all that basically works w/o h/w acceleration |
| 18:38.26 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: with mesa, sure |
| 18:39.09 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: can't wait until it's debianized |
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| 18:39.37 | strider | valdyn: I've got it running with Sid, and apart from a few annoyances, it runs quite well. Opengl games like neverball too |
| 18:40.08 | SerajewelKS | strider: compiled yourself, or found a .deb? |
| 18:40.16 | zoddan | i got this problem with " Directory index forbidden by rule:"" |
| 18:40.25 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: there's debs that install in /opt |
| 18:40.48 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: relatively stable? |
| 18:40.52 | syntaxis | stew: ah, found it |
| 18:41.04 | strider | SerajewelKS: well, first I tried out experimental Xorg on another machine, but the dev packages were seriously broken |
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| 18:41.22 | syntaxis | stew: what the bp.o maintainer *actually* said was that becoming official would be contingent on security support - http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/01/msg01414.html |
| 18:41.28 | strider | SerajewelKS: so i just alien'd the Suse Xgl and Compiz packages |
| 18:41.30 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: good enough to look at it, and they do not mess with other stuff |
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| 18:42.31 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: good enough to use daily? |
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| 18:42.47 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: do you have a link to a .deb? |
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| 18:42.48 | stew | syntaxis: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/01/msg01414.html |
| 18:42.54 | strider | !xgl |
| 18:42.54 | dpkg | i guess xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running.check http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease or ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see http://getkororaa.com/ for a live-cd with xgl |
| 18:42.57 | stew | syntaxis: oh heh, yeah you found it |
| 18:43.18 | GoAuLd | !aiglx |
| 18:43.39 | dmz | anyone here use debian kernel+lvs? |
| 18:43.44 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: http://battlehorse.homelinux.net/w/Wiki.jsp?page=Xgl, dont use the 'lazy upgrade ' |
| 18:43.48 | pipeline | SerajewelKS: Heh, it's not perfect. |
| 18:44.01 | strider | SerajewelKS: the ones available, the battlehorse debs are actually made for Dapper |
| 18:44.01 | pipeline | SerajewelKS: I had Xgl running, it crashed constantly. :\= |
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| 18:44.32 | strider | pipeline: works great here. That too for an ATI. Only had to shift to fglrx |
| 18:45.25 | SerajewelKS | bah, says it needs Xorg 7 |
| 18:45.33 | strider | I did build my own debs for Xgl, but could not build compiz as Xorg 7 in experimental did not have necessary packages |
| 18:45.41 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: it cant need xorg7 |
| 18:45.43 | pipeline | Compiz is terrible, anyway. |
| 18:45.45 | strider | SerajewelKS: no |
| 18:45.47 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: only to compile it does |
| 18:46.09 | ViaD | Anyone know if any deb's of gnome 2.14? |
| 18:46.36 | SerajewelKS | maybe i'll just use the xgl livecd |
| 18:46.52 | strider | ViaD: haha. It was JUST released. Give it some time |
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| 18:48.30 | ViaD | strider: Oh, yup sure :) |
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| 18:49.08 | strider | ViaD: anyway, according to the lists, the Gnome team plans to be more 'aggressive' this time. |
| 18:49.19 | Sonny | Hi, sorry about the offtopic.. but here's the right people: Do youy know if I can manage the bandwith of each client of my router ADSL (reduce or increase)? |
| 18:49.23 | strider | ViaD: a few updates packages are in Experimental |
| 18:49.38 | valdyn | Sonny: if your router runs debian, sure |
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| 18:49.47 | SerajewelKS | strider: gnome... agressive... haha |
| 18:50.02 | Sonny | valdyn: how can I know that? |
| 18:50.22 | strider | SerajewelKS: that's the word they used ;) |
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| 18:50.54 | JayR168 | debian etch will not start if I select MPS table to disable in my BIOS settings why? |
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| 18:51.01 | SerajewelKS | strider: that's almost as funny as using "Internet Explorer" and "Standards-Compliant" together |
| 18:51.24 | strider | heh |
| 18:51.25 | azeem | SerajewelKS: the GNOME team will be more agressive, not GNOME itself |
| 18:51.47 | SerajewelKS | azeem: still |
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| 18:52.02 | azeem | I don't get it anyway |
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| 18:53.04 | SerajewelKS | 777 people seeding the xgl livecd.. i wonder if that's a sign |
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| 18:53.24 | Nwallins | hello, i am trying to connect via serial port for the first time. I have an etch box that isn't running X and a dell 5224 Switch. do I need a special terminal emulator or anything? |
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| 18:54.12 | nicolas__ | how do i edit sarges gnome menus ? |
| 18:54.20 | nicolas__ | seems there is no menu editor |
| 18:54.30 | nicolas__ | is there a file i can edit manually? |
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| 18:54.36 | Nwallins | nicolas__: just a guess, gconf |
| 18:54.39 | stew | Nwallins: any old terminal emulator on the client side, you need to use a "nullmodem" cable to connect the two pcs (one that has send and receive pins crossed) |
| 18:54.55 | Nwallins | stew: ok... terminal emulator, such as? |
| 18:55.00 | stew | Nwallins: minicom |
| 18:55.04 | pipeline | Anyone know where I can get Triteal TED for Linux ? |
| 18:55.09 | Nwallins | ok, checking it out, thanks stew |
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| 18:55.58 | strider | nicolas__: don't know for sure, but what happens when you type applications:/// in nautilus |
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| 18:56.57 | pipeline | strider: 2.10 removes applications:/// |
| 18:57.07 | nicolas__ | strider: wow thanks |
| 18:57.15 | strider | Sarge has 2.8 i think |
| 18:57.21 | nicolas__ | i know in etch there is a gnome-menu-editor |
| 18:57.36 | nicolas__ | but ive always been looking for a way to edit gnome menus in sarge |
| 18:57.42 | strider | nicolas__: that's really limited. you can only remove not add items |
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| 18:58.02 | nicolas__ | oh |
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| 18:58.18 | strider | nicolas__: Leave gnome. before they get you hooked ;) |
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| 19:05.58 | unfo | hi all, is the mono debugger (mdb) packaged for Debian? |
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| 19:06.32 | stouset | unfo: |
| 19:06.36 | stouset | unfo: I seem to recall it being. |
| 19:06.48 | SerajewelKS | unfo: apt-get install mono? |
| 19:06.50 | kbbrown | quit |
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| 19:06.54 | unfo | SerajewelKS: no |
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| 19:07.00 | stouset | unfo: apt-get install mono-devel |
| 19:07.02 | SerajewelKS | unfo: no what? |
| 19:07.17 | unfo | neither mono nor mono-devel include mdb. |
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| 19:07.43 | SerajewelKS | unfo: sarge, etch, sid? |
| 19:07.43 | stouset | unfo: Dunno, then. |
| 19:08.01 | unfo | I'm on sid. hmm, i just found out about mono --debug. |
| 19:08.10 | SerajewelKS | !find /mdb sid |
| 19:08.13 | SilverMoonDragon | hi |
| 19:08.15 | pipeline | unfo: warning: the debugger only works on i386 |
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| 19:08.19 | dpkg | Debian Search of '/mdb' (6 of 16): (/usr/share/m17n/mdb.dir) in text/m17n-db ;; (/usr/include/nvu/mork/mdb.h) in devel/nvu-dev ;; (/usr/include/hula/mdb.h) in libdevel/libhula-dev ;; (/usr/share/php/Log/mdb2.php) in web/php4-pear-log ;; (/usr/share/doc/positron/mdb.html) in sound/positron ;; (/usr/include/mozilla/mork/mdb.h) in devel/mozilla-dev. |
| 19:08.24 | pipeline | unfo: The trace options work fine on all platforms, though. |
| 19:08.27 | SerajewelKS | gah |
| 19:08.33 | pipeline | unfo: The debugger itself is i386-specific, though, for reasons I do not understand. |
| 19:08.38 | unfo | hmm, mono --debug does not seem to be a debugger |
| 19:08.43 | unfo | i'm on i386 tho. |
| 19:08.48 | pipeline | mono --debug must be the aforementioned trace option |
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| 19:08.57 | pipeline | the trace option will do most of what the debugger does, anyway, as the debugger is lame :\ |
| 19:09.14 | unfo | it's not a gdb-like thing? |
| 19:09.28 | pipeline | yes, it's crippled like gdb. |
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| 19:09.52 | unfo | pipeline: gdb is ok, although i prefer cgdb or Emacs gdb.el. |
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| 19:12.02 | exobyte | say I'm writing a script, if I run a program, how do I get the pid of the process I just started? |
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| 19:12.21 | ak2 | Is there an easy way to update the kernel from 2.4 to 2.6 in debian? |
| 19:12.23 | unfo | exobyte: echo $$ inside the script should work if it's a bash script |
| 19:12.33 | ak2 | Or do I have to do it manually? |
| 19:12.45 | exobyte | unfo: what about sh? |
| 19:12.55 | chealer9 | ak2: depending on whether you consider installing a package and rebooting easy |
| 19:12.59 | unfo | exobyte: try it and see |
| 19:13.02 | pipeline | ak2: If you're on sarge, it is indeed pretty easy. |
| 19:13.06 | exobyte | unfo: :) |
| 19:13.14 | unfo | :) |
| 19:13.20 | pipeline | ak2: If you're not on sarge, you should upgrade to sarge before trying it. |
| 19:13.36 | exobyte | unfo: seems to, I think |
| 19:13.46 | exobyte | maybe |
| 19:14.02 | unfo | the test script would be: echo $$ |
| 19:14.08 | unfo | run it in sh and in bash |
| 19:14.11 | ak2 | pipeline: I'm on sarge right now. |
| 19:14.23 | unfo | note that sh, by default on debian, is bash in sh-clone mode. |
| 19:14.26 | ak2 | I need to update to 2.6, which I'm in the process of doing it manually, in order to get my wireless to work. |
| 19:14.28 | Luftzig | good-evening all. I was a bit wondering about seamonkey, which, as all men know in this kingdom by the sea, is the code name for the mozilla suite nowdays. It doesn't seem like it's making it's way to debians releases... |
| 19:14.43 | unfo | Luftzig: apt-get install mozilla |
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| 19:14.58 | vhuren | if I generate a ssh public key do I need the sshd to be aware of it? |
| 19:15.00 | pipeline | unfo: Isn't sh on debian dash by default? |
| 19:15.02 | abrotman | Luftzig: is it in sid yet? |
| 19:15.12 | SerajewelKS | pipeline: bash |
| 19:15.20 | pipeline | vhuren: For a personal account? No, it just goes in a special location in your home directory. |
| 19:15.28 | unfo | i'm on sid. i see: Mozilla 1.7.12 |
| 19:15.34 | unfo | user-agent is Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20060205 Debian/1.7.12-1.1 |
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| 19:15.50 | Luftzig | unfo, thats still 1.7. If i get it right, there's mozilla 2.0 |
| 19:16.07 | unfo | hmm. maybe it's an old ver then. i see that name of app, in title bar, is "Mozilla" not "SeaMonkey" tho. |
| 19:16.09 | unstable_ | [fglrx] Maximum main memory to use for locked dma buffers: 374 MBytes. |
| 19:16.09 | unstable_ | [fglrx:firegl_init] *ERROR* Device not found! |
| 19:16.13 | vhuren | pipeline: it isnt working for me |
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| 19:16.18 | SerajewelKS | Luftzig: if it's not in debian, it's either because (a) there's no stable upstream release, or (b) nobody cares enough to package it |
| 19:16.24 | vhuren | pipeline: is there a tutorial for this? |
| 19:16.37 | samuel | sup all |
| 19:16.52 | unfo | and, uh, "Mozilla roaming profile" feature I remember is in SeaMonkey for Windows is missing. |
| 19:17.18 | unfo | pipeline: yes, it's bash in sh mode. |
| 19:17.37 | unfo | bash, when called as sh, goes into that mode. the manpage talks about it. |
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| 19:18.13 | unfo | so maybe mdb isn't packaged?? |
| 19:18.14 | rpm | etch is testing now correct? |
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| 19:18.23 | samuel | anyone know how to access the file types in gnome 2.12? to change how nautilus opens a certain file? |
| 19:18.27 | unfo | rpm: iirc testing is always called sid |
| 19:18.34 | SerajewelKS | unfo: mercury has an 'mdb' already, so it conflicts anyway |
| 19:18.35 | chealer9 | !etch |
| 19:18.35 | dpkg | hmm... etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ . Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from our web site, http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer. |
| 19:18.38 | jhujhiti | in iptables, what happens immediately after i perform a -j REDIRECT in the nat table's PREROUTING chain? |
| 19:18.39 | SerajewelKS | unfo: that's unstable |
| 19:18.40 | unfo | samuel: we all use KDE :) |
| 19:18.43 | unfo | oops |
| 19:18.47 | jhujhiti | i have a packet that appears to just disappear between a redirect and whereever it should go next |
| 19:18.49 | strider | unfo: http://www.mono-project.com/Debugging |
| 19:18.49 | Luftzig | oh, ok. So one knows nothing about it? |
| 19:18.53 | unfo | rpm: i take back what i said :) |
| 19:19.00 | rpm | unfo: no problem :) |
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| 19:19.21 | samuel | unfo, smartass |
| 19:19.27 | SerajewelKS | Luftzig: more likely is the case that nobody cares |
| 19:19.27 | samuel | :) |
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| 19:19.39 | rpm | is sarge stable now or is it still part of the unstable branch? |
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| 19:19.57 | SerajewelKS | rpm: stable = sarge, testing = etch, unstable = sid |
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| 19:20.14 | rpm | SerajewelKS: thanks |
| 19:20.20 | Luftzig | SerajewelKS, way not? mozilla is still quite popular, as much as it's being disliked. |
| 19:20.38 | SerajewelKS | Luftzig: is the 2.0 release stable, or still in development? |
| 19:21.00 | roxy_ | I installed ruby1.9 and irb1.9. It didn't create the link to ruby and irb. Isn't it a bug in the package or normal debian policy? |
| 19:21.04 | unfo | SeaMonkey on windows is called SeaMonkey 1.0 and is stable. |
| 19:21.06 | Fawzib | I have a question about start-stop-daemon. I'm running a java programs as a daemon and I want the stdout to be redirected to a file, im using 'start-stop-daemon --quiet --background --start --exec APP -- PARAM1 PARAM2 > logfile 2>&1' but it isnt working. How should I do it? |
| 19:21.19 | pipeline | vhuren: Google will no doubt dredge something up. Try "passwordless" as a key word. (Also, you may have to modify the PAM configuration on machines you intend to login to without a password; Debian allows key-auth-only by default, but most systems don't...) |
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| 19:21.59 | strider | Luftzig: heck, thunderbird 1.5 has still not made it. Still stuck in the queue! |
| 19:22.05 | Luftzig | SerajewelKS, well, it seems like the 2.0 release is Seamonkey 1.0, which, I assume, is stable |
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| 19:22.51 | unfo | !mdb |
| 19:22.56 | nkuttler | roxy_: did you have a different version of ruby installed? |
| 19:23.01 | roxy_ | nkuttler: no |
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| 19:23.10 | SerajewelKS | Luftzig: there's an RFP filed against wnpp |
| 19:23.15 | nkuttler | roxy_: sounds like a bug to me |
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| 19:23.23 | unfo | dpkg: mdb is the Mono debugger and is available from http://www.mono-project.com/Guide:Debugger |
| 19:23.23 | dpkg | okay, unfo |
| 19:23.25 | roxy_ | nkuttler: I installed with aptitude |
| 19:23.42 | roxy_ | what is the debian bug tracker? |
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| 19:23.51 | SerajewelKS | !dbugs 350740 |
| 19:23.54 | dpkg | #350740:W[wnpp] RFP: seamonkey -- internet application suite; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:03:12 UTC |
| 19:23.55 | SerajewelKS | Luftzig: ^^^ |
| 19:24.00 | Fawzib | anyone? |
| 19:24.13 | Luftzig | SerajewelKS, what's a RFP? |
| 19:24.19 | unfo | but why is it a separate rfp? seamonkey is just the next ver of mozilla. |
| 19:24.20 | SerajewelKS | Luftzig: request for package |
| 19:24.31 | SerajewelKS | unfo: no it's not |
| 19:24.35 | roxy_ | unfo: no |
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| 19:24.59 | unfo | hmm |
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| 19:25.28 | nkuttler | roxy_: /msg dpkg bts |
| 19:25.38 | Luftzig | SerajewelKS, ok, thanks. well, that's intersting. unfo, thanks you too. |
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| 19:25.52 | nkuttler | roxy_: apt-get install reportbug |
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| 19:26.07 | roxy_ | nkuttler: thanks |
| 19:26.16 | Gigs2 | I've been having a strange problem, I just installed a fresh debian stable with gnome and now it's doing it again. My mouse cursor sometimes turns solid black. It will then sometimes revert back, but it turns black again if I type something that causes it to dissappear. |
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| 19:26.33 | unfo | "The SeaMonkey project is a community effort to deliver production-quality releases of code derived from the application formerly known as "Mozilla Application Suite"." |
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| 19:27.06 | stew | Gigs2: you might try switching from a hardware cursor to a software cursor |
| 19:27.14 | stew | Gigs2: (if you are using a hardware cursor) |
| 19:27.18 | SerajewelKS | unfo: exactly, seamokney is no more mozilla than ubuntu is debian |
| 19:27.26 | Gigs2 | stew: where would that be set, in the Xfree86 config file? |
| 19:27.30 | roxy_ | unfo: Application Suite means mozilla+thunderbird+some stuff for rss |
| 19:27.35 | unfo | mozilla-suite is now unmaintained though. |
| 19:27.37 | pipeline | SerajewelKS: heh, seamonkey was the name of mozilla for years :P |
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| 19:27.58 | unfo | seamonkey is the effort to improve it. so it sounds like seamonkey is just the next mozilla-suite. |
| 19:28.01 | SerajewelKS | unfo: lots of things are unmaintained, should we replace them with a different product? |
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| 19:28.37 | unfo | SerajewelKS: do the SeaMonkey team not have mozilla.org's blessing as the new maintainers of mozilla-suite? |
| 19:28.39 | Nwallins | stew: it works! thanks again |
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| 19:29.07 | SerajewelKS | unfo: blessings are irrelevant. seamonkey is a fork. |
| 19:29.12 | michael | I just got a laptop with 8Mb RAM, Monochrome display, and 2905Mb HD. Any advice or suggestions for a floppy boot/install? |
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| 19:29.32 | unfo | moz-suite is unmaintained though. are there even security updates for it anymore? |
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| 19:29.39 | pipeline | michael: Linux is going to be a a *really* tight fit on 8M. |
| 19:29.47 | pipeline | michael: You're probably better off running DOS or MINIX. |
| 19:29.59 | unfo | michael: i maintain the hal91 webpage. hal91 is fine on 8MB but no Xwindow. |
| 19:30.01 | pipeline | michael: MINIX doesn't have X anymore, though. |
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| 19:30.11 | Nwallins | x on 8mb <shudders> |
| 19:30.15 | roxy_ | michael: 8Mb :-) |
| 19:30.19 | michael | the HD is almoast 3G though |
| 19:30.25 | pipeline | Nwallins: Heh, if you're only running the server, and no clients, 8M is fine. |
| 19:30.25 | unfo | michael: but consider an old version of debian instead. |
| 19:30.38 | pipeline | michael: No version of UNIX, any UNIX, will run without swapping like mad in 8M :P |
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| 19:30.53 | st0ner | how can i verify that my alsa-system/gstreamer work?? because i have no sound in gnome and rythmbox. |
| 19:30.55 | ak2 | Do I have to use a specific version of gcc in order to compile the 2.6.x kernel? |
| 19:31.01 | ak2 | Or can I just use the newest gcc out? |
| 19:31.02 | michael | MINIX is probably my only option then? |
| 19:31.07 | unfo | michael: no |
| 19:31.19 | SerajewelKS | ak2: why would you need to compile the kernel |
| 19:31.20 | stew | ak2: no, and the newest will definately work |
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| 19:31.27 | pipeline | michael: Another possible option is Desqview/X, which will run fine in 8M, and will get you X11. |
| 19:31.29 | strider | st0ner: check gstreamer-properties |
| 19:31.30 | unfo | michael: what do you want to use the machine for? |
| 19:31.38 | pipeline | michael: I'll bet it would make a fine X terminal :P |
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| 19:31.53 | unfo | or vnc client :) |
| 19:31.57 | stew | pipeline: not with debian |
| 19:31.57 | michael | just kinda keeping records, maybe some small crappy games |
| 19:32.09 | pipeline | stew: I was suggesting Desqview/X :P |
| 19:32.12 | stew | ahh |
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| 19:32.24 | st0ner | strider: failed to create test pipeline :( |
| 19:32.28 | unfo | michael: do you prefer a 1-floppy distro over a full one? |
| 19:32.33 | st0ner | so i have a prob... |
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| 19:32.41 | michael | floppy, has no cd drive |
| 19:32.44 | pipeline | michael: Yeah, get DR-DOS or FreeDOS, then try desqview/X to get X11 support and multitasking... http://www.chsoft.com/dv.html |
| 19:33.00 | unfo | michael: network card? |
| 19:33.14 | michael | so, install nope |
| 19:33.20 | st0ner | strider: do you know any further steps? |
| 19:33.40 | michael | should I install FreeDOS and then Desqview/X over it? |
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| 19:34.09 | unfo | !potato |
| 19:34.09 | dpkg | i guess potato is Debian 2.2, released August 14th, 2000, and is no longer supported. Ask me about "potato->woody" for upgrade information. something that grows underground |
| 19:34.13 | strider | st0ner: has your sound card been detected? |
| 19:34.19 | unfo | !boot-floppies |
| 19:34.19 | dpkg | woody boot floppies are at http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/current/ |
| 19:34.23 | stew | unfo: potato requres 12-14mb ram |
| 19:34.38 | leikh | anyone here succeeded in printing with lprng over tcp to a printer with built in server (lpd)? |
| 19:34.47 | unfo | !buzz |
| 19:34.47 | dpkg | i guess buzz is Debian 1.1, released June 1996 (474 packages, 2.0 kernel, fully ELF, dpkg) |
| 19:35.25 | michael | is MINIX a CL distro? |
| 19:35.27 | st0ner | strider: yes, and /dev/sndstat looks good to me |
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| 19:35.34 | mbishop | CL? |
| 19:35.35 | pipeline | michael: CL? |
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| 19:35.42 | michael | command line |
| 19:35.45 | duplex | !woody |
| 19:35.45 | dpkg | woody is, like, the previous stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "woody->sarge" or "sarge install guide" Security updates for woody will cease approximately one year after sarge's release(July/2006) |
| 19:35.51 | abrotman | minix isn't in debian ? |
| 19:35.54 | pipeline | michael: Oh. Well, yes, in that X11 isn't available for it. |
| 19:35.56 | mbishop | well minix isn't really a distro |
| 19:36.02 | pipeline | abrotman: I think minix runs on debian/sparc... |
| 19:36.03 | Coweater | x11 is available for it |
| 19:36.07 | pipeline | michael: minix is a different OS. |
| 19:36.12 | pipeline | Coweater: XF86 dropped support a couple years ago. |
| 19:36.13 | strider | st0ner: sarge? |
| 19:36.15 | elirips | !potato |
| 19:36.15 | dpkg | potato is probably Debian 2.2, released August 14th, 2000, and is no longer supported. Ask me about "potato->woody" for upgrade information. something that grows underground |
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| 19:36.19 | duplex | minix is also arguably a POS. |
| 19:36.21 | pipeline | Coweater: I think only really old versions of 3 are available :\ |
| 19:36.23 | kristalino | pipeline, minx is not linux |
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| 19:36.25 | st0ner | strider: nope, testing |
| 19:36.35 | pipeline | duplex: Yeah, but it'll run in piddly shit amounts of RAM. |
| 19:36.36 | fresh_oyster | duplex : why? |
| 19:36.40 | unfo | minix is a real operating system. it is now BSD licensed. it is not linux and has far fewer device drivers than linux, though. |
| 19:36.40 | michael | is it possible to throw DSL on a floppy and install it to a disk? |
| 19:36.43 | pipeline | kristalino: I'm aware of that. |
| 19:36.45 | jcreigh | Whoa! There's still security updates for woody? |
| 19:36.46 | dooglus | fireba11: does debian still offer both XF86 and xorg packages? |
| 19:36.50 | strider | st0ner: you do have gstreamer-0.8-alsa installed? |
| 19:36.56 | pipeline | michael: Yeah, but DSL will craaaaaaawl in 8M of RAM :\ |
| 19:37.00 | unfo | michael: do you have access to a Zip drive? |
| 19:37.02 | LSorensen | leikh: I have done it lots of times with cups. I don't want to do anything with lprng |
| 19:37.04 | stew | probably won't run at all on 8mb |
| 19:37.08 | pipeline | dooglus: The sarge XF86 packages will still work on etch. |
| 19:37.12 | duplex | fresh_oyster: It's lack of hardware support? Lack of functionality, etc? |
| 19:37.15 | michael | yea |
| 19:37.17 | pipeline | stew: I think if you booted it off the hard drive, it would. |
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| 19:37.22 | fresh_oyster | freebsd runs in 8Mb |
| 19:37.25 | pipeline | duplex: It's a simple OS for simpler times. |
| 19:37.30 | pipeline | fresh_oyster: Nope. |
| 19:37.34 | fireba11 | dooglus: dunno ... got headless servers usually so ... :-) |
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| 19:37.41 | pipeline | fresh_oyster: Modern versions of FreeBSD require 12M just to boot multiuser, IIRC. |
| 19:37.41 | fireba11 | dooglus: but i think so |
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| 19:37.47 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 19:37.47 | dpkg | i guess qotd87 is <MaXoM> hello i have a problem with squirrelmail can i help you? |
| 19:37.48 | dooglus | pipeline: I'm using sid. I'm wondering whether I should use XF86 or xorg. I can't find any xorg package for my synaptic touchpad. does that mean I should use XF86 instead? |
| 19:37.51 | pipeline | fresh_oyster: FreeBSD 3.5 or 4 might work in 8M. |
| 19:37.53 | tarzeau | abrotman: you play in a band? |
| 19:37.55 | fresh_oyster | pipeline : i have 1.6.2 running here on a 386 with 8Mb |
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| 19:37.59 | duplex | pipeline: Yep. No real use for it anymore =) |
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| 19:38.06 | pipeline | fresh_oyster: There's no FreeBSD 1.6.2 :P |
| 19:38.14 | pipeline | fresh_oyster: FreeBSD's last 1.x release was 1151. |
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| 19:38.20 | aarkerio | somebody has probed write on NTFS partition? |
| 19:38.22 | fresh_oyster | sry....I was talking NetBSD |
| 19:38.27 | pipeline | aarkerio: NTFS write support is terrible. |
| 19:38.28 | LSorensen | aarkerio: not for a few years. |
| 19:38.34 | kristalino | netbsd and freebsd are great |
| 19:38.36 | pipeline | aarkerio: You can't create files, you can't delete files, and you can't change the size of files. |
| 19:38.47 | st0ner | strider: yes, its installed |
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| 19:38.55 | leikh | LSorensen: isn't lprng superior to cups when it comes to tcp-printing? (I first tried with cups, but that didn't work...) |
| 19:38.58 | aarkerio | pipeline: thanks! |
| 19:39.01 | LSorensen | leikh: no. |
| 19:39.02 | dooglus | pipeline: not even with the 'captive' driver? |
| 19:39.06 | kristalino | then even keep webmin inside, errrrmm |
| 19:39.09 | LSorensen | leikh: cups makes all the old lpd's obsolete |
| 19:39.17 | dooglus | !captive |
| 19:39.17 | dpkg | from memory, captive is The first kind of free if you squint NTFS read/write filesystem for GNU/Linux. http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/, or <abrotman> livingtm: well .. captive-ntfs is another ball of wax .. it's like wine for your filesystem .. and given how well wine works .. i avoid it like naked pictures of my mom |
| 19:39.22 | kristalino | not like errrm |
| 19:39.26 | unfo | michael: your main options are: 1-floppy linux, old Debian, old *BSD, DOS, OS/2, or buy a Linksys WRT54G or a Soekris mini server off ebay. |
| 19:39.32 | pipeline | dooglus: Captive has been unmaintained for /years/. |
| 19:39.34 | unfo | or Minix. |
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| 19:39.37 | pipeline | unfo: OS/2 will crawl in 8M :P |
| 19:39.38 | LSorensen | leikh: when configuring your printer you just pick that it's na lpd style and tell it what the ip is |
| 19:39.42 | strider | st0ner: really, don't know then. if alsamixer also works, make sure Alsa is selected as the audio sink |
| 19:39.46 | unfo | os/2 2.2? |
| 19:39.46 | pipeline | dooglus: Good luck getting captive to even /run/ on modern systems. |
| 19:39.53 | pipeline | unfo: Oh, you mean pre-warp |
| 19:39.58 | unfo | yep |
| 19:40.01 | LSorensen | leikh: you don't have to run an lpd server to printer to another lpd server. |
| 19:40.06 | GoAuLd | !mxm |
| 19:40.07 | LSorensen | leikh: cups can do it just fine |
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| 19:40.18 | unfo | doesn't knoppix come with captive? |
| 19:40.25 | strider | dooglus: ntfsmount. ask in #ntfs |
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| 19:40.31 | st0ner | strider: okay, thanks |
| 19:40.35 | dooglus | pipeline: what I find is if I want to write in linux, I write to reiserfs, and if I want to write in windows, I write to NTFS. Each system can read the other system's files, so there's no problem. |
| 19:40.39 | leikh | LSorensen: so, which packages do I need? |
| 19:41.00 | LSorensen | leikh: cupsys and foomatic, a2ps and a few other things are handy |
| 19:41.04 | pipeline | dooglus: Windows can read that miserable excuse for a filesystem? |
| 19:41.09 | LSorensen | leikh: and a web browser to connect to http://localhost:631 |
| 19:41.13 | dooglus | pipeline: NTFS? sure it can! |
| 19:41.21 | pipeline | dooglus: I meant Reiser. NTFS is a decent filesystem. |
| 19:41.36 | unfo | FAT32 is decent also though :) |
| 19:41.43 | leikh | LSorensen: ok, I'll give Cups another chanse.. |
| 19:41.58 | dooglus | pipeline: reiser's pretty good too. I've had a whole lot of crashes (I used to run ubuntu) and reiser never lost any data |
| 19:42.04 | strider | pipeline: there are unofficial FS drivers for Reiser in XP |
| 19:42.05 | LSorensen | unfo: fat32 is a trivial filesystem, and certainly not advanced at all. Not sure it qualifies as a good filesystem. it is simple though |
| 19:42.19 | pipeline | dooglus: It's still slow, it still lacks useful recovery tools, and it still has ongoing stability issues. Thanks but no thanks. |
| 19:42.24 | unfo | a gentoo-using friend of mine had dataloss problems on reiser twice. |
| 19:42.29 | LSorensen | dd: I have lost quite a bit of data on reiserfs in the past. I don't touch it anymore. |
| 19:42.37 | LSorensen | er dooglus |
| 19:42.48 | pipeline | Reiser's "fsck" program is pretty much "egrep". |
| 19:42.50 | dooglus | pipeline: slow? it's no slower than ext3 in my experience. why do you say it's slow? |
| 19:43.01 | shingouz | michael: laptop with 8M of ram and a small hd? try a chroot install, do not use hotplug, discover and such automagic stuff. X is a little tougher, *maybe* it functions with a very light desktop, fluxbox for instance |
| 19:43.02 | pipeline | God help you if you have a reiser filesystem image in a file on your damaged reiser filesystem. |
| 19:43.04 | LSorensen | pipeline: yeah if things go wrong with reiserfs, you will need lots of luck |
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| 19:43.07 | pipeline | dooglus: Benchmarks bear me out on this one :\ |
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| 19:43.12 | stew | using an unofficial driver for reiser in xp seems like playing russian roulette with more bullets than normal |
| 19:43.17 | pipeline | dooglus: ext3 is a vastly superior filesystem in the average case. |
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| 19:43.20 | dooglus | pipeline: got a URL? |
| 19:43.22 | pipeline | stew: Well said! |
| 19:43.28 | unfo | at least for partitions <20GB, fat32 is fast and simple. Also, the Linux kernel can read and write it perfectly. I use it for my windows partition. |
| 19:43.29 | pipeline | dooglus: What do I look like, your personal google slave? |
| 19:43.36 | strider | stew: right you are! |
| 19:43.48 | LSorensen | unfo: it is also fragmentation hell. |
| 19:43.54 | leikh | LSorensen: is there a package named just foomatic? |
| 19:44.04 | LSorensen | unfo: the performance and features of fat are crap. It is however simple and universally understood. It has uses. |
| 19:44.06 | dooglus | pipeline: I can, and do, search for comparisons. reiser usually wins. I'm wondering which study you saw. |
| 19:44.18 | LSorensen | leikh: I think there is foomatic-bin foomatic-db and a few others |
| 19:44.19 | pipeline | dooglus: Reiser usually wins on benchmarks published by Hans Reiser. |
| 19:44.32 | LSorensen | pipeline: doesn't windows do the same? |
| 19:44.32 | pipeline | dooglus: On rational benchmarks, Reiser3 is a huge loser, Reiser4 even more so. |
| 19:44.33 | leikh | LSorensen: ok, I'm on it. thx |
| 19:44.42 | pipeline | LSorensen: The same what? |
| 19:44.53 | michael | can I install Desqview/X by itself? and where can I find a distro that has floppy iso's? |
| 19:45.03 | LSorensen | pipeline: win on benchmarks they run? |
| 19:45.05 | pipeline | michael: desqview/X runs on top of DOS. |
| 19:45.29 | pipeline | LSorensen: No, not always. Microsoft's own benchmarks and case studies are usually honest. Which is why they pay dishonest people to lie for them :) |
| 19:45.38 | unfo | michael: major floppy distros include floppix and tomsrtbt. |
| 19:45.42 | pipeline | michael: I expect it would probably work fine on FreeDOS, though, which is free :) |
| 19:45.59 | michael | and FreeDOS will run on an apple computer? |
| 19:46.10 | pipeline | michael: You didn't say it was an Apple. That changes everything. |
| 19:46.17 | leikh | LSorensen: do I need cupsys-client? |
| 19:46.19 | pipeline | michael: You're probably stuck with MacOS on that thing :( |
| 19:46.32 | shingouz | michael: what laptop is it? |
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| 19:46.49 | fresh_oyster | michael: may I mention NetBSD again? |
| 19:46.49 | unstable_ | How can I get my fn keys to work on my toshiba laptop, I did apt-get install toshutils toshset; but all those programs need kernel support of toshiba, so I did "modprobe toshiba_acpi" and get "FATAL: Error inserting toshiba_acpi (/lib/modules/2.6.15-1-686/kernel/drivers/acpi/toshiba_acpi.ko): No such device" anyone have any idea how to get my fn keys working? |
| 19:46.49 | michael | Macintosh Powerbook 145B |
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| 19:46.54 | LSorensen | leikh: if you want to be able to print from the machine and not just be the print server, then yes. bupsys-bsd is recomended too |
| 19:47.02 | unstable_ | i also have fnfxd installed, but it doesn't help |
| 19:47.07 | tarzeau | tried debian gnu/kfreebsd yet? you fresh_oyster bsd guys? |
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| 19:47.14 | LSorensen | michael: what kind of mac? |
| 19:47.16 | unfo | michael: consider debian/m68k :) |
| 19:47.22 | pipeline | michael: Debian won't run on that, I don't think :\ |
| 19:47.23 | vhuren | pipeline: I did exactly the same thing on 2 machines and copied both keys etc.. but one of them I can connect the other I cannot without a password know why this might be the case |
| 19:47.24 | vhuren | ? |
| 19:47.28 | shingouz | michael: m68k debian with a chroot install |
| 19:47.33 | unfo | old debian/m68k. is there one old enough to work? |
| 19:47.37 | fresh_oyster | tarzeau : I just looked into it recently and I like what I see |
| 19:47.43 | pipeline | vhuren: check /etc/pam.d/ssh and /etc/sshd_config, compare differences :\ |
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| 19:47.52 | shingouz | old? wtf use old when you can use sarge or etch is beynd me |
| 19:47.57 | tarzeau | fresh_oyster: cool. know #gnu-kbsd ? |
| 19:48.07 | fresh_oyster | FreeBSD has the ease of admin, NetBSD is the most ported OS |
| 19:48.10 | leikh | LSorensen: why do I need to have a print server on the client, when there's a builtin print server on the printer? |
| 19:48.18 | pipeline | shingouz: 8M of RAM.... |
| 19:48.26 | shingouz | pipeline: so? |
| 19:48.36 | fresh_oyster | tarzeau : no, but it sounds nice |
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| 19:48.41 | stew | strider: potato requires 14mb woody 16 and sarge 32 |
| 19:48.44 | LSorensen | leikh: to do the rendering and conversion |
| 19:48.49 | stew | shingouz: ^^^ |
| 19:48.54 | shingouz | michael: the only question is if the powerbook wants to boot into linux, i am not sure if it will. it *should* |
| 19:48.55 | LSorensen | leikh: unless you have a postscript printer |
| 19:49.06 | leikh | LSorensen: yes, ps |
| 19:49.07 | LSorensen | leikh: and even then it is still handy. |
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| 19:49.29 | shingouz | stew: to install with the installer, yes. a chroot install does not need as much as long as you can make it boot into linux somehow |
| 19:49.31 | LSorensen | leikh: besides the cups client only speacs IPP, not LPD. |
| 19:49.52 | stew | shingouz: chroot installer requires you to already have linux installed |
| 19:49.58 | LSorensen | leikh: it just has some many nice features in the background, like 'lpr file.jpg' will do the right thing and convert it to ps and send it |
| 19:50.01 | leikh | LSorensen: aha, i see |
| 19:50.09 | unfo | hmm, i'm getting "configure: error: Package requirements (mono >= 1.1.11 glib-2.0 >= 2.0.0 ) were not met." but I have both... |
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| 19:50.19 | shingouz | stew: no, it just needs to *run* linux when you install, it does not have to be installed on the hd |
| 19:50.43 | unfo | i once tried to install some mac linux distribution on a Mac Plus w/ a 40MB hard drive. |
| 19:50.49 | unfo | it didn't boot up though. |
| 19:50.53 | LSorensen | unfo: what cpu did that have? |
| 19:50.54 | pipeline | unfo: mklinux, perahps? |
| 19:50.56 | stew | shingouz: if you think you know a way to do it talk to him, not me |
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| 19:51.27 | unfo | http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.setup/browse_thread/thread/1fef36cfb0385dbf/dc00401dd2905597 |
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| 19:51.41 | unfo | Debian GNU/Linux 2.1 for 680x0 |
| 19:51.52 | shingouz | simple. boot into any debian bootfloppy, go into a console. chroot and use debootstrap to snag the base system |
| 19:52.18 | shingouz | !chroot install |
| 19:52.18 | dpkg | well, chroot install is http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/DebianChrootInstall, or http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs04.html.en |
| 19:52.41 | shingouz | of course the debootstrap manpage has a lot in it too... ;) |
| 19:52.43 | unfo | it was "The dreaded Quantum LP80S bug. The disk does something funny to confuse the SCSI driver, no known solution at this time." - see thread if you're curious. |
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| 19:53.24 | unfo | iirc it was a 40MB OptiMac HDD. |
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| 19:54.03 | shingouz | 40MB hd space is *real* tight for a debian install... ;) |
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| 19:54.33 | unfo | shingouz: even for debian slink? |
| 19:54.41 | AlienX | heh, better off installing it on a thumb drive |
| 19:54.42 | eeyore- | gnome 2.14 looks nifty. ekiga? i dig :-) |
| 19:55.03 | dooglus | pipeline: sorry. I had to step out for a bit. Did you have a URL showing how ext3 is better than reiserfs? |
| 19:55.05 | grendal_prime | ok im stupid...ive gotten really reliant on that damn permissions tool you get when you use...the kde clicky thing...i need to set perms on some files...to rw------ |
| 19:55.12 | AlienX | eeyore-, did you compile yourself? I don't think it's up on unstable yet (unless i missed something) |
| 19:55.17 | shingouz | unfo: not sure. i still do not see the point of using such ancient versions |
| 19:55.18 | pipeline | dooglus: No. You can google for yourself. |
| 19:55.29 | eeyore- | AlienX: (gentoo) |
| 19:55.30 | pipeline | dooglus: No reputable source will claim otherwise *shrug* |
| 19:55.32 | dooglus | pipeline: from everything I've read, it's swings and roundabouts, with reiserfs (3) having the edge overall |
| 19:55.33 | unfo | shingouz: what are they missing? |
| 19:55.35 | AlienX | eeyore-, ahh |
| 19:55.35 | grendal_prime | i can set the user and the group..its the permisions forbidden and whatnot |
| 19:55.44 | unfo | shingouz: and they're fast and small. |
| 19:55.58 | pipeline | dooglus: That's simply not the case. ReiserFS is only even in the same ballpark when dealing with tens of thousands of very small files, and even then, only with special mount options :\ |
| 19:55.59 | eeyore- | hey abrotman |
| 19:56.06 | shingouz | unfo: oh, just some minor hardware support and even sid can be made small and fast |
| 19:56.19 | unfo | shingouz: "sid can be made small and fast |
| 19:56.27 | unfo | " .. as fast as slink? :) |
| 19:56.53 | shingouz | unfo: lets put it this way. sid works nicely on 486'es |
| 19:56.57 | dooglus | pipeline: http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html is quite thorough, and comes out in favour of "JFS, ReiserFS or XFS depending on your needs", noting "I was quite surprised how slow ext3 was overall" |
| 19:56.57 | unfo | although i concede you're right re. hardware support. |
| 19:57.21 | leikh | LSorensen: and after installing all the packages, I just go to localhost:631 and add the printer? that's it? |
| 19:57.30 | belkin | how can this be ... when i try to ping " myukmail.co.uk " 100% packet loss and when i want to browser it works ? how come ? |
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| 19:57.42 | unfo | AlienX: ask your geek friends to look in their basements :) |
| 19:57.46 | pipeline | dooglus: That is not what I would call a reputable source, bud. |
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| 19:57.50 | Ronin | they're blocking belkin? |
| 19:57.52 | loxley__ | belkin: blocking ping |
| 19:57.52 | stew | i have a bunch of 486 cpus but no 486 motherboards anymore |
| 19:57.56 | pipeline | dooglus: Note the benchmarks used :\ |
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| 19:58.09 | pipeline | shingouz: heh, a 486 is plenty fast for modern UNIX, it's the memory ;_; |
| 19:58.09 | unfo | AlienX: or www.freecycle.org - a huge message board system for ppl giving away free stuff. |
| 19:58.09 | [machine] | belkin: ping uses ICMP echo, a web browser uses port 80/tcp |
| 19:58.13 | AlienX | unfo, heh, good thought. Actually, I think there may be an old proliant server somewhere around here |
| 19:58.24 | belkin | Ronin and how would i do the same to my server ? |
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| 19:58.33 | shingouz | pipeline: 16M is plenty unless you need a serious X |
| 19:58.36 | AlienX | unfo, yeah, I'm on freecycle. I mean, I'm running sid on my laptop but it's certainly not a 486 heh |
| 19:58.37 | dooglus | pipeline: I'm asking you if you could name a reputable source. |
| 19:58.38 | pipeline | dooglus: They're all microbenchmarks involving very large numbers of very small files. |
| 19:58.40 | unfo | EDO RAM is overpriced. |
| 19:58.41 | belkin | [machine] i know but you can ping google.com dont you ? |
| 19:58.48 | [machine] | belkin: iptables is your friend |
| 19:58.55 | Ronin | belkin: iptables |
| 19:59.05 | AlienX | unfo, though I do have an old SGI 02 MIPS box I could try it on heh |
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| 19:59.09 | [machine] | belkin: sure, since google doesn't block ICMP echo requests |
| 19:59.30 | unfo | haha. i have an sgi indy at my old uni computer club |
| 19:59.39 | AlienX | sweet! |
| 19:59.43 | [machine] | TCP and ICMP are different protocols and firewalls can be configured to handle them differently |
| 19:59.47 | abrotman | eeyore-: hi |
| 19:59.48 | pipeline | dooglus: Why don't you dig up Novell's commentary on why ReiserFS will no longer be used in future releases of SuSE? |
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| 20:00.08 | unfo | the indy's OS is amazingly ahead of its time. |
| 20:00.15 | lossos | hi, how can i install apache when i deleted the /etc/apache dir? |
| 20:00.23 | pipeline | unfo: Yes, it is, because you're probably using IRIX 6.5, which came out a decade after the Indy did :P |
| 20:00.35 | dooglus | pipeline: quite a few of the tests involve working with the kernel source tree - that's not very small files |
| 20:00.38 | pipeline | unfo: IRIX 5.1, which is what came on most Indy's, is scary. |
| 20:00.42 | unfo | lossos: did you try apt-get remove --purge apache2 ; apt-get install apache2 |
| 20:00.44 | loxley_ | lossos: just purge the package and reinstall |
| 20:00.47 | pipeline | dooglus: Yes, yes it is. It's tens of thousands of one to five block files. |
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| 20:00.49 | AlienX | unfo, yeah, though horribly unituitive |
| 20:00.51 | unfo | pipeline: oh. |
| 20:01.02 | unfo | AlienX: i liked it. |
| 20:01.09 | AlienX | unfo, you can have it ;) |
| 20:01.23 | stew | lossos: you have to first purge the apache-common package (since it owns the config files), then reinstall the apache package |
| 20:01.24 | Jhair | pipeline: I worked some time with IRIX don't remember the version now, but was pretty rock solid |
| 20:01.30 | dooglus | pipeline: it turns out that reiserfs is around twice as fast as even ext2 at untarring the kernel sourc |
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| 20:01.43 | unfo | lossos: disregard what i said then. :) |
| 20:01.47 | AlienX | Jhair, oh it's plenty stable. Just a royal PITA to work with |
| 20:01.49 | pipeline | unfo, Jhair : http://pastebin.ca/45555 |
| 20:01.59 | pipeline | AlienX, Jhair : And it requires more reboots than windows :P |
| 20:02.02 | Jhair | AlienX: :), you mean for development |
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| 20:02.38 | ak2 | Is it necessary to have a initrd image? |
| 20:02.44 | pipeline | unfo: You'll note the hostname -- I know full well my Indy is "unsafe at any speed" :P |
| 20:02.47 | jcreigh | dooglus: Which is vital because I untar kernel sources every couple minutes. :) |
| 20:02.48 | ak2 | Or do I have to make one that is the same as the kernel that I'm going to use. |
| 20:02.48 | AlienX | pipeline, nah, it's pretty slick that you can pull a drive and everything would still run |
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| 20:02.54 | shingouz | ak2: no |
| 20:03.07 | ak2 | So they can be different correct |
| 20:03.11 | pipeline | AlienX: Heh, I meant the upgrade process. How many packages required a reboot? :P |
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| 20:03.35 | pipeline | unfo: Securing IRIX is nearly impossible :\ |
| 20:03.40 | mike4479 | hi guys is there a way I can upgrade to KDE 3.5 with apt-get install? |
| 20:03.42 | shingouz | ak2: put the drivers for yoru root fs statically in the kernel and you do not need initrd, if you want to use modules for those specific drivers you will need initrd |
| 20:03.43 | unfo | haha. "NFS-or-IIS", "LSA-or-nterm". |
| 20:03.45 | AlienX | pipeline, yeah no kidding. Half the time you'd have to try to install the same package over and over to get things going |
| 20:03.50 | Jhair | I never administrated such workstations but I used them for development (PVM stuff) and I found them very stable... probably from the administrator side the story is different... |
| 20:04.00 | AlienX | mike4479, yeah if you are running unstable |
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| 20:04.02 | unfo | pipeline: why, is it unmaintained or sthg? |
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| 20:04.11 | leikh | LSorensen: (LPD) "Device URI", shall this be "socket://192.168.10.20:515" ? |
| 20:04.18 | pipeline | unfo: The pastebin thing I sent you is the *default* loadout. And most accounts are passwordless. |
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| 20:04.27 | pipeline | unfo: Those are the services turned on by default when you boot the damn thing! |
| 20:04.39 | mike4479 | AlienX: no I am on stable now but what about editing the source list? |
| 20:04.39 | nvz | I was trying to use OO.o Calc to do some math at work, I got numbers all entered with formulas that I could calculate the number of minutes until a certain event happens, and how long it will be before it happens again.. I was wondering if I can program the spreadsheet to take these cycle timers and make a chronological schedule of when each will go off in the spreadsheet below where I enter the data and dynamically regenerate itself if the dat |
| 20:04.39 | unfo | pipeline: ah |
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| 20:04.58 | exobyte | what am I forgetting here? if [ "$1" -eq "stop" ] || [ "$1" -eq "restarat" ] |
| 20:05.13 | AlienX | mike4479, just change "stable" to "unstable" and you should be fine in your /etc/sources.list |
| 20:05.15 | dooglus | jcreigh: I don't untar the kernel sources very often, but I do untar source archives all the time. I would expect the kernel source to be very like other source archives from a filesystem point of view. |
| 20:05.16 | pipeline | nvz: You can use OO's VBA clone language. |
| 20:05.20 | unfo | nvz: i don't understand your question but i recommend you ask in #openoffice.org |
| 20:05.21 | pipeline | nvz: VBA is hard, though. |
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| 20:05.31 | AlienX | mike4479, but you *may* have to do apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 20:05.31 | mike4479 | AlienX: ok thanks agan |
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| 20:05.36 | AlienX | mike4479, np |
| 20:05.40 | unfo | exobyte: maybe s/restarat/restartat |
| 20:05.41 | mike4479 | AlienX: ok |
| 20:05.54 | unfo | oops i mean s/restarat/restart |
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| 20:05.58 | shingouz | mike4479: just so you know, sid is unstable which means you will probably get into trouble unless you know wha tyou do |
| 20:06.00 | exobyte | unfo: heh, it's more of a problem running the script |
| 20:06.03 | Unstoupable | salut tout le monde iç |
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| 20:06.08 | unfo | exobyte: ah. pastebin it |
| 20:06.13 | Pryon | exobyte, "-eq" is an arithmetic operator |
| 20:06.18 | Pryon | use == for strings |
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| 20:06.24 | AlienX | unfo, it starts kdm? |
| 20:06.24 | exobyte | Pryon: oops... |
| 20:06.26 | r0tu | wondering if anyone knows of some tools to use to make custom boot disks? |
| 20:06.32 | mike4479 | shingouz: ok thanks |
| 20:06.33 | michael | how much difference is there between Ubuntu and Debian - if any?? |
| 20:06.35 | nvz | pipeline: *groan* might be easier to hack some custom statically linked program that does this.. at first I though spreadsheet cause I've been doing it by hand with notepad and calc.exe in windows but I want it to be more automagic |
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| 20:06.50 | pipeline | nvz: Probably not. |
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| 20:07.00 | Tinlar | anyone have any luck getting debian up on the new Apple Intel machines? |
| 20:07.08 | lossos | thx unfo, loxley_ and stew |
| 20:07.11 | shingouz | mike4479: in other words unless you really need it (or know how to fix a balky or fubared system), don't |
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| 20:07.15 | exobyte | Pryon: thanks- I should have remembered that |
| 20:07.20 | Pryon | np |
| 20:07.31 | nvz | pipeline: well the thing is making a program to take a list of numbers, do some math and build a schedule would be easier in a programming language I already know than one I dont. |
| 20:07.35 | unfo | lossos: np |
| 20:08.07 | leikh | LSorensen: hmm... "Received 2 bytes of back-channel data!" |
| 20:09.10 | Tinlar | I'm considering picking up one of the intel based macmini's to use as a light load web server, but would like some idea as to the likelihood of getting Debian past the bios on it. |
| 20:09.13 | unfo | a Lart? |
| 20:09.23 | EleckttrusS | We're all living in Amerika |
| 20:09.23 | EleckttrusS | Coca Cola |
| 20:09.23 | EleckttrusS | Wonderbra |
| 20:09.23 | EleckttrusS | We're all living in Amerika |
| 20:09.23 | EleckttrusS | Amerika |
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| 20:09.24 | stew | AlienX: i would "backport" the ubuntu 2.14 prerelease packages long before i'd consider going with an upstream tarball |
| 20:09.31 | unfo | Tinlar: wait a few weeks and see how well it goes |
| 20:09.34 | nvz | pipeline: I need to completly rewrite this guy's monitor program I think he wrote in delphi it reads serial input from for monitors each one goes to a rack with 16 part bins and the computer keeps track of how many go in each order and how many its got in there so far. I want to make a schedule per shift of how many boxes, what size and time they will be going off. |
| 20:09.40 | AlienX | shingouz, heh. I downloaded it last night 3 minutes after it hit the ftp servers and keep looking at it wondering if it'll be in unstable by the time I compile everything heh |
| 20:09.51 | michael | K, i'm going to try DSL just to see if this thing will load a linux kernel, I'm downloading bootfloppy.img, how do I put that on a floppy? |
| 20:09.51 | unfo | can't a WRT54G or a Soekris box (www.soekris.com) or an old laptop do that though? |
| 20:10.02 | AlienX | stew, I have no experience with ubuntu packages (I know they are debs but that's about it) |
| 20:10.09 | michael | prefer command line method |
| 20:10.11 | shingouz | fsck.. phone.. |
| 20:10.17 | unfo | michael: dd if=bootfloppy.img of=/dev/hda |
| 20:10.27 | unfo | ARG NO |
| 20:10.28 | Surtsey_Work | Can someone give me a hand updating from stable to unstable? |
| 20:10.34 | Surtsey_Work | erm. unstable. |
| 20:10.35 | LSorensen | unfo: I don't think a floppy image would work on hd |
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| 20:10.46 | unfo | michael: that's wrong, it will overwrite part of your hard drive if run as root |
| 20:10.47 | nvz | pipeline: I've been drawing it up by hand just for my shift each night. with all the detailed info of which machine, rack, part number, time..etc so I can do all the paperwork and lay all the boxes with bags out ahead of time. heh |
| 20:10.54 | LSorensen | Surtsey_Work: could you clarify that? |
| 20:11.00 | michael | k? |
| 20:11.04 | nvz | would be cool to just get this happening automatically round the clock |
| 20:11.06 | michael | you lost me |
| 20:11.11 | unfo | michael: actually it's of=/dev/fd0 |
| 20:11.18 | Surtsey_Work | LSorensen: Well, I had that typed in but didn't want to enter it until I had spent suitable time figuring it out on my own - I hit enter because my term went berserk lol... |
| 20:11.26 | Surtsey_Work | LSorensen: So I'm surviving for a while on my own here |
| 20:11.30 | LSorensen | Surtsey_Work: you are upgrading from what to what? |
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| 20:11.42 | Surtsey_Work | LSorensen: Stable to unstable or /maybe/ testing |
| 20:12.00 | Surtsey_Work | Looks like it's worknig thus far, though... |
| 20:12.06 | quitte | hi. of a 5bnc vga cable - which one is usually h-sync? black or white? |
| 20:12.18 | LSorensen | Surtsey_Work: change your sources.list from stable to what you want and do apt-get update and apt-get -u dist-upgrade, and it should do it, assuming there are no breakages in testing/unstable today |
| 20:12.20 | abrotman | quitte: #hardware |
| 20:12.35 | Where | In debian unstable, I do an "apt-get update", but get the error message "The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available:". Oddly, it worked fine before. Is there anything that I can do to fix this problem? |
| 20:12.36 | LSorensen | quitte: I can never remember. try one way and if it doesn't work, try the other way |
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| 20:12.55 | quitte | the problem is i already cut it to solder to scart |
| 20:12.56 | LSorensen | quitte: I know on the monitor I have black is the outside with grey next to it |
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| 20:13.10 | LSorensen | quitte: scart? |
| 20:13.11 | quitte | LSorensen: thanks. that should help |
| 20:13.14 | CompiMan | Hi debian world |
| 20:13.14 | abrotman | quitte: try #hardware .. they like .. should know more about hardware :) |
| 20:13.18 | LSorensen | quitte: what does scart have to do with it? |
| 20:13.28 | michael | k, working on it now :) |
| 20:13.46 | quitte | LSorensen: vga can be connected to scart directly as long as you provide proper refresh rates |
| 20:13.52 | LSorensen | quitte: black is vertical |
| 20:14.06 | LSorensen | quitte: and your display actually supports rgb on scart |
| 20:14.11 | LSorensen | quitte: since not all do |
| 20:14.23 | CompiMan | I have a problem with my sound. Can anyone help me_ |
| 20:14.40 | leikh | LSorensen: did you see my last postings? |
| 20:14.40 | quitte | LSorensen: i hope so |
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| 20:14.40 | LSorensen | leikh: I didn't understand it |
| 20:14.40 | Red_Cloud | My distro is etch. I would like to use the moodin enigne and fusion as my login. Whenever I configure moodin. I get the message: checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths! Can anyone help? |
| 20:14.41 | jcreigh | dooglus: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/reiserfs.html I can't determine if there's any speed difference between reiserfs and ext3 without benchmarking, and I figure "If I can't tell, that's just as good as non-existent". Given the concerns raised in the linked posting, I just use ext3. |
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| 20:14.48 | CompiMan | I have 5 speakers and subwofers |
| 20:14.55 | CompiMan | but I hear only 2 |
| 20:14.58 | LSorensen | quitte: you trying to connect vga out to a tv? |
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| 20:15.02 | CompiMan | what is the problem_ |
| 20:15.06 | blondie | moo I am a cow |
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| 20:15.15 | LSorensen | CompiMan: you aren't playing a multichannel sound stream? |
| 20:15.18 | AlienX | CompiMan, you're running alsa right? |
| 20:15.22 | leikh | LSorensen: well, neither did I. anyhow, I can't print... |
| 20:15.24 | CompiMan | yes |
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| 20:15.25 | quitte | LSorensen: basically yes. it's a beamer from the beginning of the 80s |
| 20:15.30 | CompiMan | I configured alsa |
| 20:15.34 | LSorensen | leikh: hmm. |
| 20:15.37 | Liquid_Ic | when i type shutdown -r now gnome quits and it goes to a black screen then says type password or press control-d for matinence. Why does it do this? how do i disable it so it will just shutdown? |
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| 20:15.59 | LSorensen | CompiMan: if you play an mp3 it will only have 2 channels, so it will only come out the front channels |
| 20:16.10 | leikh | LSorensen: (LPD) "Device URI", should be "socket://192.168.10.20:515", right? |
| 20:16.16 | CompiMan | aha |
| 20:16.26 | LSorensen | leikh: hmm, not sure that is right for lpd. let me check |
| 20:16.29 | Pryon | Liquid_Ic: You're telling it to reboot. Try shutdown -h |
| 20:16.30 | CompiMan | but in Windows it play on 4 chanesls |
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| 20:16.37 | sniff | is there a channel for moaning about amd64 and ia32 compatibility problems or should i go about it here? :I |
| 20:16.39 | CompiMan | the same mp3 |
| 20:16.51 | pipeline | CompiMan: mp3 is a two channel format. |
| 20:17.08 | LSorensen | leikh: I know on many you need to connect to a specific device on it (often /printer or /lpd) |
| 20:17.09 | pipeline | CompiMan: if it came out of four speakers, it was because your soundcard driver was duplicating the front speakers on the back ones. |
| 20:17.17 | pipeline | CompiMan: There's no way to create an mp3 with more than two channels. |
| 20:17.27 | SimonRaven | Liquid_Ic: there's a problem, which is why it's asking you that. dig deeper |
| 20:17.33 | leikh | LSorensen: ? |
| 20:17.35 | Liquid_Ic | pryon, no matter what i do, it never gets there, it will just wait for a password |
| 20:17.36 | Liquid_Ic | i'm trying to remotely admmin a box, but if i get stuck at this screen i'm sol |
| 20:17.40 | pipeline | CompiMan: the only multi-channel formats I know of are MPEG2-MC and AAC. |
| 20:17.40 | LSorensen | CompiMan: you might be able to convince your player program to duplicate the channels, but it isn't what it should do by default |
| 20:17.43 | CompiMan | what I have to do in deb to have 4 chanels_ |
| 20:17.48 | nvz | I think I need to just take this http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/Portmon.html to work and see what the communication is like between his monitor programs and the machines and rewrite the whole damn thing in like python |
| 20:18.23 | Liquid_Ic | simonraven, where should i begin to look for this problem? |
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| 20:18.47 | SimonRaven | Liquid_Ic: system logs, gdm log, dmesg |
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| 20:19.01 | CompiMan | thanks |
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| 20:19.22 | sniff | many packages in amd64-archive depend on both those packages and can't install openoffice, mplayer or anything else in there |
| 20:19.27 | Aronofsky | hi guys , im looking for a cool kde dockbar to make my kde look like MacOs Style , i found kxdocker , what do you think of it and are there equivalent apps or better ones ? |
| 20:19.46 | Pryon | Liquid_Ic: one thing I would try is to issue the shutdown command from one of the VCs (i.e. outside of your X session). I don't know if that will make a difference, but it's something to try. |
| 20:19.49 | AlienX | Aronofsky, try kde-look.org |
| 20:20.29 | LSorensen | leikh: I just did a test here that worked. I used 'lpd://10.0.0.16/printer' as the connection. |
| 20:20.37 | Aronofsky | AlienX, i did but there are som many things , im kinda lost , i was looking for some advice from people using that kind of stuff |
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| 20:20.40 | LSorensen | leikh: that was on an hp 4100 |
| 20:20.42 | CompiMan | thank you LSorensen and pipeline for advices |
| 20:20.54 | leikh | LSorensen: aha :-) |
| 20:20.55 | LSorensen | leikh: normally I use socket://10.0.0.16:9100 |
| 20:21.03 | LSorensen | leikh: I forget what that one is called |
| 20:21.05 | SimonRaven | Pryon: i've done it from x+xterm, it works, albeit potentially confusing. but more often from console |
| 20:21.30 | CompiMan | sjdlksj |
| 20:21.35 | LSorensen | leikh: oh right, jetdirect is the socket:9100 one |
| 20:21.38 | SlayerXP | how can I change the interactive package configuration from "command line prompt" style to ncurses based menus? |
| 20:21.56 | SimonRaven | SlayerXP: debconf you mean? |
| 20:22.05 | leikh | LSorensen: mine is emulex on 515 |
| 20:22.09 | SimonRaven | BSOC |
| 20:22.10 | SlayerXP | SimonRaven: yes, I expect |
| 20:22.17 | SimonRaven | blue screen of configuration |
| 20:22.23 | SlayerXP | yes :) |
| 20:22.26 | SimonRaven | SlayerXP: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 20:22.33 | SlayerXP | right, thanks |
| 20:22.37 | SimonRaven | hehe |
| 20:22.39 | LSorensen | leikh: picking lpd and then lpd://hostname/printer tends to work |
| 20:22.43 | SimonRaven | np |
| 20:22.47 | LSorensen | leikh: almost all accept /printer as the spool name |
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| 20:25.40 | leikh | LSorensen: hmm... didn't work. job is "still pending" and printer state is "stopped, accepting jobs"... |
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| 20:25.58 | unfo | leikh: any other status messages? |
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| 20:26.52 | leikh | LSorensen: No. I tried to print "Test Page". |
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| 20:29.23 | michael | Short paste - - - michael@pastech04:~$ dd if=bootfloppy.img of=/dev/fd0 |
| 20:29.23 | michael | dd: opening `/dev/fd0': No such device or address |
| 20:29.49 | michael | I have the floppy in there, do I need to format it some special way? |
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| 20:30.51 | elfredo | michael the error says your floppy is not there, probably some kind of misconfiguration |
| 20:30.55 | Lars_J | Is it possibel with mrtg to get it to make a graph with all traffic going on in device tun0 ? |
| 20:31.53 | michael | how can i refresh my devices? |
| 20:31.55 | unfo | michael: no, it might be /dev/floppy or /dev/fd0 |
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| 20:32.38 | b00st3r | re all |
| 20:32.53 | michael | $/f TABTAB fb0 fd/ fd0 full |
| 20:33.11 | Aronofsky | anyone here that uses kxdocker ? |
| 20:33.18 | unfo | michael: yep it's fd0. |
| 20:33.19 | sophacles | hi all, how do i change my default browser back to firefox after installing kdebase? right now it is konquerer, but i would rather have it be firefox |
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| 20:33.57 | michael | if i try it w/ fb0 it works, fd0, it says No such device or address |
| 20:34.10 | strider | sophacles: in Gnome? |
| 20:34.21 | unfo | fb0 is probably not it. any clues when you type dmesg|tail? |
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| 20:34.54 | leikh | LSorensen: in error_log there's this: "PID 2838 stopped with status 1!" |
| 20:34.57 | sophacles | strider, no not using gnome stuff at all on this system |
| 20:34.57 | unfo | michael: also, what's in /dev/fd? |
| 20:34.58 | Liquid_Ic | insmod installs a modules to the running kernel... what is the best way to do this on startup? |
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| 20:35.42 | michael | michael@pastech04:~$ dir /dev/fd |
| 20:35.42 | michael | 0 1 2 3 |
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| 20:37.05 | Danilo | ciao a tutti |
| 20:37.13 | Danilo | c'è qualche user italiano? |
| 20:37.38 | quitte | LSorensen: it works. no csync so far but color is fine |
| 20:37.52 | unfo | !it |
| 20:37.53 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 20:38.16 | Danilo | grazie |
| 20:38.19 | unfo | michael: try /dev/fd/0, 1, 2, and 3. do any work? |
| 20:38.24 | roxy_ | I got a basic debian not used for programming. Following the securing debian manual, I'd like to remove all the package made for develloper only. Would I have error and false-positiv with: dpkg -l | cut -f3 -s -d' ' | grep ".*-dev" |
| 20:38.25 | unfo | Danilo: you're welcome :) |
| 20:38.26 | Danilo | thanks you |
| 20:38.28 | Danilo | ;) |
| 20:38.37 | Aronofsky | I got the following error "configure: error: We need a working libXext to proceed" ... what should I Install , some xorg-dev package or something ? |
| 20:38.42 | strider | sophacles: ah, KDE then. there should be an option in kcontrol |
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| 20:38.57 | unfo | Aronofsky: what are you compiling? |
| 20:39.04 | Aronofsky | unfo, kxdocker |
| 20:39.24 | stew | Aronofsky: apt-get build-dep kxdocker ; but why are you compiling? |
| 20:39.34 | unfo | Aronofsky: in etch or sid, apt-get install kxdocker |
| 20:39.47 | strider | sophacles: under KDE Components--> Component Chooser |
| 20:39.58 | leikh | LSorensen: I changed the debug level, I now I see this: "[Job 3] perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C")". |
| 20:39.59 | michael | nope, none of them od |
| 20:40.02 | michael | do* |
| 20:40.03 | unfo | roxy_: try it and see. |
| 20:40.13 | Aronofsky | unfo, stew, the apt version seem to be really old |
| 20:40.13 | sophacles | strider not really, x, fluxbox. kdebase installed for a couple programs... |
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| 20:40.24 | Aronofsky | unfo, stew, even in sid |
| 20:40.34 | unfo | michael: can you tell us a bit about your hardware and your debian version |
| 20:40.44 | stew | Aronofsky: please file a wishlist bug saying "new upstream version available" |
| 20:41.07 | Aronofsky | stew, where can i do that |
| 20:41.11 | unfo | Aronofsky: mail submit@bugs.debian.org |
| 20:41.21 | roxy_ | unfo: see what? To check I'll need to know all the debian package made for developper on my system. |
| 20:41.31 | leikh | LSorensen: The problem isn't there, I guess... |
| 20:41.43 | unfo | Aronofsky: first line should be Package: kxdocker second should be Severity: wishlist |
| 20:41.57 | unfo | roxy_: you can at least check for false-positives |
| 20:42.13 | unfo | roxy_: if none, then remove those packages listed, then check for false negatives. |
| 20:42.17 | strider | sophacles: you could have mentioned that before ;) |
| 20:42.27 | michael | HaldemanHomme Computer made for Windows. Trying to put DSL on a floppy so I can boot into linux on a Powerbook 145B. I want to format the Powerbook and run off of just the disk |
| 20:42.31 | stew | Aronofsky: /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 20:43.04 | sophacles | strider sorry :) |
| 20:43.05 | michael | I might just want to use Peanut Linux and try to run a GUI on it, but either way... I need to get a floppy boot to work. |
| 20:43.08 | Aronofsky | stew, unfo , ok i'll do it, by the way did you guys ever used kxdocker or equivalent ? |
| 20:43.08 | leikh | Lsorensen: perhaps this: "PID 2875 stopped with staus 1!" |
| 20:43.20 | unfo | michael: can you paste your dmesg|tail and the output from the dd commands in #paste |
| 20:43.21 | stew | Aronofsky: not me |
| 20:43.36 | sophacles | strider any ideas then, i have kcontrol, but... |
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| 20:43.44 | michael | k |
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| 20:44.01 | Lars_J | Is it possibel to get mrtg to make a graph on my tun0 device (outgoing traffic / incomming) |
| 20:44.05 | michael | can u give me the pastebin link? |
| 20:44.10 | unfo | michael: /join #paste |
| 20:44.11 | stew | !paster |
| 20:44.11 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 20:44.17 | michael | o |
| 20:44.19 | roxy_ | unfo: well, they all got developement in it, but can I be sure no "normal" packages are using them? |
| 20:44.38 | Aronofsky | unfo, do you ? |
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| 20:44.54 | erhanr | sophacles: kcontrol >kde Component > component chooser |
| 20:44.54 | unfo | Aronofsky: nope, the dock looks nice but is annoying. |
| 20:44.55 | Nwallins | hello, slightly offtopic but it's worth a shot: i have a dell powerconnect 5224 switch and I want to monitor several ports. there is a port mirroring function, but it will only mirror a single port. can I monitor several ports using VLANs? |
| 20:45.07 | unfo | Nwallins: try #solaris |
| 20:45.09 | stew | !paster is also, the paster bot is silent in this channel due to abuse. once you have pasted, tell us the resulting url. |
| 20:45.09 | dpkg | is also, the paster bot is silent in this channel due to abuse. once you have pasted, tell us the resulting url.: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 20:45.21 | pipeline | unfo: What does a Dell switch have to do with solaris? |
| 20:45.30 | zOap | does anyone know how to disable/hide the bottom scrollbar in Firefox? |
| 20:45.40 | unfo | pipeline: what does it have to do with Debian? :) |
| 20:45.51 | Nwallins | well, the monitoring machine is running etch ;) |
| 20:45.56 | sophacles | erhanr i just did that, but thunderbird still opens up web links in konquerer. |
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| 20:46.31 | erhanr | strange |
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| 20:47.03 | Aronofsky | unfo, actually i try to have something as well done as macOs one but its hard ... |
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| 20:47.38 | hjubal | hi |
| 20:47.44 | unfo | yeah. not all Linux hackers spend enough time on good GUI design. |
| 20:47.47 | unfo | hi |
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| 20:48.40 | zOap | what do you need a gui for? you can do almost all jobs without it.. |
| 20:48.41 | Aronofsky | unfo, stew , dont you know any other app taht i can get from apt except kxdocker ? |
| 20:48.54 | Blissex | unfo: thats the great understatement of the year :-) |
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| 20:49.16 | unfo | :) |
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| 20:50.12 | Uxi | hi |
| 20:50.15 | unfo | Aronofsky: no, maybe use apt-cache search dock |
| 20:50.18 | unfo | hi |
| 20:50.23 | zOap | !hi |
| 20:50.23 | dpkg | hello, zoap |
| 20:50.26 | erhanr | h Uxi |
| 20:50.58 | Lars_J | Is it possibel to get mrtg to make a graph on my tun0 device (outgoing traffic / incomming) |
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| 20:51.24 | medusaXX | hi |
| 20:51.30 | Uxi | i'm looking for help...i'm new to linux...i had installed suse and everything was ok but now i try to install debian and i haven't my graphic card well installed |
| 20:51.31 | unfo | hi |
| 20:51.59 | unfo | Uxi: could you post what happens wrong, and any error messages in /var/log/Xorg.0.log or elsewhere |
| 20:52.01 | ed_ | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5878208333 |
| 20:52.10 | unfo | Uxi: to #paste |
| 20:52.18 | Pryon | ed_: please stop spamming |
| 20:52.33 | medusaXX | is there a debian package, that provides links from /usr/bin/gcc or /usr/bin/cc to the appropriate executables (most current compiler version, or whatever) |
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| 20:52.57 | Uxi | in the install steps it asks for the chip/card and i choose vga (my card is fx5600XT) |
| 20:53.09 | ed_ | Pryon, sorry, the auction time is nearly up, just wanted to give it some air. |
| 20:53.19 | asg | medusaXX: update-alternatives |
| 20:53.24 | medusaXX | ok |
| 20:53.28 | stew | !ops ed_ spammer |
| 20:53.28 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: ed_ spammer |
| 20:53.42 | cathper | How do best use the stable branch for all package but one, which I want from, say, testing? |
| 20:53.52 | asg | cathper: use backports |
| 20:54.08 | asg | cathper: if one doesn't exist, /msg dpkg simple side backport and make your own |
| 20:54.21 | Aronofsky | is there really anyone here that uses or ever used kxdocker or equivalent ? |
| 20:54.26 | cathper | thanks asg! |
| 20:54.27 | asg | cathper: /msg dpkg backports |
| 20:54.44 | medusaXX | asg: there is no such package |
| 20:55.19 | asg | medusaXX: it's a utility in the base system |
| 20:55.29 | medusaXX | ah ok |
| 20:55.29 | medusaXX | thanks |
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| 20:56.47 | roxy_ | actually my question was really bad, let me rephrase it: Is there a debian official policy that state that all developper package and only developper package finishes with "-dev" ? |
| 20:56.49 | Resilience | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:56.59 | knvinh | opera runs faster than firefox, is it better? any idea? |
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| 20:57.23 | knvinh | although it's non-free :) |
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| 20:57.51 | numist | !tell me about backports |
| 20:57.55 | unfo | knvinh: no |
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| 20:58.16 | numist | !tell me about simple sid backport |
| 20:58.26 | knvinh | unfo: why? |
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| 20:58.39 | erhanr | !backports |
| 20:58.39 | dpkg | [backport] a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
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| 20:58.59 | asg | roxy_: the policy at www.debian.org should indicate if it is. Otherwise, the convention is to put header files for libraries in -dev packages. |
| 20:59.07 | unfo | !opera is a web browser that lacks the shmorgasbord of extensions that Firefox has; also, since it is closed source, development proceeds much slower. |
| 20:59.07 | dpkg | ...but opera is already something else... |
| 20:59.11 | unfo | !opera |
| 20:59.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, opera is a commercial web browser for Linux/Windows and other OSes. Version 6 for Linux is out and debs are available on the download page at http://www.opera.com/download/linux.html or at 'deb http://www.opera.com/debian potato non-free', or that deb line is reported to be maybe broken. go poke around the site. go full screen mode and right click> show menu bar> [and avoid the ads] damn nice browser, especially under ... |
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| 20:59.21 | unfo | !opera is also a web browser that lacks the shmorgasbord of extensions that Firefox has; also, since it is closed source, development proceeds much slower. |
| 20:59.21 | dpkg | unfo: that's too long |
| 20:59.26 | valdyn | roxy_: only if the development stuff can be split out |
| 20:59.26 | roxy_ | asg: thanks |
| 20:59.30 | unfo | stupid dpkg-bot |
| 21:00.02 | Lars_J | Is it possibel to get mrtg to make a graph on my tun0 device (outgoing traffic / incomming) |
| 21:00.12 | asg | unfo: there are limits otherwise, it would make a great way for someone to spam the channel. |
| 21:00.24 | unfo | ah. :( |
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| 21:00.33 | valdyn | roxy_: which only really makes sense for C / C++ I guess |
| 21:00.37 | michael | unfo: no ideas? |
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| 21:00.41 | unfo | michael: could you do: file bootfloppy.img |
| 21:01.03 | knvinh | unfo: I think firefox should learn from Opera, especially the speed |
| 21:01.07 | michael | michael@pastech04:~$ file bootfloppy.img |
| 21:01.07 | michael | bootfloppy.img: empty |
| 21:01.15 | unfo | michael: that's why dd failed. |
| 21:01.26 | unfo | try downloading it again perhaps. |
| 21:01.31 | valdyn | unfo: which speed? startup time? |
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| 21:01.50 | michael | k, i'll try a dif one - bootfloppy-usb.img |
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| 21:02.20 | unfo | michael: i recommend: try dl'ing bootfloppy.img again, maybe using wget. |
| 21:02.46 | maxman | Hi. I just installed xfce4 on a fresh Debian instalation. I wanted to install x-window-manager but apt-get said I have to directly install something like xfce, fluxboc, etc. So, I did it. But how do I start xfce now? Can anyone help please? |
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| 21:02.50 | unfo | knvinh: is opera really faster? |
| 21:02.57 | michael | unfo:what would i use to get it like that? |
| 21:03.01 | unfo | knvinh: also, dillo and links are fast too. |
| 21:03.10 | unfo | michael: type wget, then a space, |
| 21:03.13 | valdyn | maxman: apt-get install x-window-system-core gdm |
| 21:03.17 | unfo | michael: then type the URL to the file. |
| 21:03.22 | michael | k |
| 21:03.27 | maxman | valdyn: ok. i'll try that |
| 21:03.34 | knvinh | unfo: but links can't load images :) |
| 21:03.35 | roxy_ | valdyn: thanks. So no easy way to find all package that a simple user don't need (simple user == openoffice+mozilla+thunderbird I am happy user) |
| 21:03.39 | unfo | michael: you can find out the URL by right-clicking the link -> properties |
| 21:03.43 | amoi | what the latest version of debian and what url i can get it or that images? |
| 21:03.48 | unfo | knvinh: so use dillo :) |
| 21:03.51 | asg | amoi: /msg dpkg di |
| 21:03.59 | amoi | ok |
| 21:04.02 | asg | amoi: erm, /msg dpkg d-i |
| 21:04.17 | belkin | hmm why my mplayer doesn play the file`s in the browser ? i do have installed the mplayer browser plugin any ideea ? |
| 21:04.18 | knvinh | unfo: another GUI web browser, I'll try it |
| 21:04.29 | michael | i actually had the URL already :), ETA 1:30 |
| 21:04.32 | Lars_J | Has anybody got mrtg monitoring OpenVPN traffic/connections |
| 21:04.32 | Lars_J | ? |
| 21:04.49 | belkin | it says " playing " but there is now image no sound . no nothing |
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| 21:05.08 | unfo | knvinh: not to mention the old package netscape-browser-477 |
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| 21:05.16 | LSorensen | quitte: well hopefully you can convince your card to reduce the vsync and hsync to the right speed, and to run in interlace mode (unless your display supports non interlace) |
| 21:05.18 | unfo | knvinh: although that's closed source too. :( |
| 21:05.22 | amoi | thanks |
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| 21:06.40 | michael | i probably should have deleted the previous file |
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| 21:06.58 | michael | is it the bootfloppy.img.1 ?? |
| 21:07.07 | unfo | michael: the new one is. |
| 21:07.13 | unfo | michael: check the filesize. |
| 21:07.26 | hans0lo | Does anyone know if a program that will open or convert M$ Publisher files? Google isn't leading me to a solution. |
| 21:07.29 | michael | can i delete the old one and rename the new one to .img |
| 21:07.40 | michael | it's the right size |
| 21:07.41 | knvinh | unfo: but perhaps it lacks some features like JRE, or Flash |
| 21:07.41 | LSorensen | hans0lo: openoffice can't? |
| 21:07.50 | LSorensen | hans0lo: oh I am thinking powerpoint |
| 21:07.57 | LSorensen | hans0lo: most likely the answer is no |
| 21:08.14 | hans0lo | LSorensen: I already tried OO. Doh! |
| 21:08.24 | michael | can i $rn bootfloppy.img.1 bootfloppy.img |
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| 21:08.53 | unfo | knvinh: java and flash are both possible, though maybe harder to set up than in opera, in netscape 4.77. |
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| 21:09.31 | unfo | hans0lo: maybe try searching for DTP at www.freshmeat.net |
| 21:09.42 | unfo | hans0lo: iirc Scribus is the big one nowadays. |
| 21:09.53 | unfo | michael: yes, use the mv command |
| 21:09.57 | hans0lo | unfo: Thanks for the hint! |
| 21:10.07 | unfo | hans0lo: anytime :) |
| 21:10.09 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 21:10.09 | dpkg | [popcon] the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 21:10.21 | tarzeau | do you all have popcon installed now? |
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| 21:10.49 | unfo | tarzeau: i do but i don't think i have anacron. |
| 21:11.01 | tarzeau | unfo: stable? |
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| 21:11.07 | unfo | tarzeau: testing |
| 21:11.08 | tarzeau | unfo: it works also with http submission |
| 21:11.11 | markybob | tarzeau, it really amazes me that day after day you dont get tired of mentioning popcon :) |
| 21:11.13 | tarzeau | unfo: just do the dpkg-reconfigure of it |
| 21:11.13 | unfo | tarzeau: how? |
| 21:11.14 | abrotman | !info anacron testing |
| 21:11.17 | dpkg | anacron: (a cron-like program that doesn't go by time), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.3-11 (etch), Packaged size: 29 kB, Installed size: 196 kB |
| 21:11.29 | vhuren | how do I edit my cron file? |
| 21:11.36 | abrotman | crontab -e |
| 21:11.38 | VulpesFoxnik | crontab -e |
| 21:11.42 | tarzeau | markybob: heh :) i've got a bullhead |
| 21:11.43 | unfo | vhuren: for help, man crontab |
| 21:11.49 | tarzeau | unfo: dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest |
| 21:11.55 | unfo | tarzeau: ah :) |
| 21:11.57 | michael | unfo: i have something back in #paste |
| 21:11.58 | vhuren | thanx ;) |
| 21:12.10 | prp | i have a verry strange problem.. i have an FORWARD policy set to DROP... only 4 rules that allow 4 ip's to go throgh, and one local ip appers in iptraf as 192.168.x.y:microsoft- in connecton to a lot other lan ip's why is this ? |
| 21:12.42 | unfo | michael: note: 0 bytes transferred in 0.000353 seconds (0 bytes/sec) |
| 21:12.47 | tarzeau | markybob: but are you watching the popcon.debian.org ? it's going upwards day after day too... |
| 21:12.55 | unfo | michael: that means it's still a 0-byte file you're trying to dd. |
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| 21:13.21 | markybob | tarzeau, no, i'm not watching. but before you jump down my throat, yes, popcon is installed on all my boxes :) |
| 21:13.22 | unfo | i dislike anacron. |
| 21:13.23 | abrotman | prp: #iptables |
| 21:13.25 | stew | i could transfer zero bytes faster than that even |
| 21:13.26 | concept10 | how do I tell if a port is open or not? |
| 21:13.28 | michael | :S i checked the file size right b4 i did that, but now it's back to 0 |
| 21:13.29 | unfo | its very useful and well-written |
| 21:13.31 | Lars_J | Has anybody got mrtg monitoring OpenVPN traffic/connections |
| 21:13.37 | tarzeau | markybob: it's 10777 submissions now... |
| 21:13.43 | leikh | LSorensen: when setting "lpd://192.168.10.20/printer", how will cups know how to use port 515? |
| 21:13.46 | michael | o wel, i gtg... time to leave school and go to work :) |
| 21:14.04 | unfo | but I don't need it for anything other than popcon, and i have bad memories of it running updatedb? every time i booted way back when. |
| 21:14.08 | michael | i think you gave me enough info to figure it out though |
| 21:14.13 | unfo | michael: weird |
| 21:14.20 | LSorensen | leikh: that is part of the lpd protocol |
| 21:14.23 | tarzeau | unfo: popcon doesn't need it since almost a year now |
| 21:14.33 | tarzeau | oh wait, it needs it |
| 21:14.55 | leikh | LSorensen: whatabout the raw-protocol? isn't that 9100? |
| 21:15.06 | LSorensen | leikh: jetdirect uses socket://ip:9100 |
| 21:15.26 | leikh | LSorensen: ok, now I see. |
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| 21:15.48 | LSorensen | leikh: so your interface choice has to match the protocol you picked |
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| 21:16.11 | concept10 | I have the samba daemon running, but cant connect from my winxp machine. tail tells me that the windows box is trying to connect on ports 137 and 138. How may I ensure these ports are open |
| 21:16.24 | unfo | concept10: nmap localhost |
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| 21:17.00 | leikh | LSorensen: so LPR-protocol is LPD on port 515? |
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| 21:17.16 | concept10 | unfo, thanks. it doesnt show 137 and 138, but 139 and 445. Do I need another service running? |
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| 21:18.08 | belkin | can anyone please help me getting mplayer to work on firefox browser ? i have w32codecs and mplayerplug-in installed ... |
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| 21:18.32 | tarzeau | belkin: it just works? |
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| 21:18.44 | concept10 | belkin, make sure the plugin is in the firefox plugins folder or at least a symlink |
| 21:18.45 | tarzeau | belkin: installed the plugin to the right place? what url are you testing with? |
| 21:19.30 | belkin | tarzeau http://news.bbc.co.uk/ click on the video link for "Blair briefing" |
| 21:20.04 | belkin | concept10 well apt-get install should do this isnt it ? |
| 21:20.42 | concept10 | belkin, just check. some times installs are not perfect |
| 21:20.48 | belkin | " about:plugins " shows me the codecs listed |
| 21:22.06 | leikh | LSorensen: i set up the printer on my XP-laptop and there the setting for queue is "passthru". tested this on debian, but still just shit... when i request print test page the job is just pending, and the printer state turns "stopped, accepting jobs". |
| 21:22.41 | tarzeau | leikh: what ppd? what printer? |
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| 21:22.51 | tarzeau | leikh: it's a networked printer with postscript? |
| 21:23.03 | leikh | tarzeau: yes |
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| 21:23.28 | tarzeau | i've got a colleciton of about 100 ppds that work for os x,windows and linux... |
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| 21:24.32 | concept10 | someone please help me with this samba mounting please. I have been reading thousands of lists,faqs, forum posts and other shit. I really need to transfer some files. I need to find out what I need to do to grant permissions for the stupid windows box. The mounts are shown but I cant access them. |
| 21:24.52 | tarzeau | concept10: as user? |
| 21:24.54 | leikh | tarzeau: the ppd is listed in foomatic (canon lbp-1760) |
| 21:25.14 | tarzeau | leikh: what did you pay for that printer? |
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| 21:25.36 | XTF | Hi. What is the easiest way to copy a template to a file while replacing certain variables? |
| 21:25.39 | concept10 | tarzeau, a user on the windows box? |
| 21:25.41 | XTF | (in a shell script) |
| 21:25.51 | tarzeau | concept10: no, linux. you mount a windows share to linux, no? |
| 21:25.58 | tarzeau | XTF: sed |
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| 21:26.11 | Luka666 | ellow |
| 21:26.15 | tarzeau | XTF: sed somestuff template > file |
| 21:26.16 | Luka666 | where can i find rc.local in debian? |
| 21:26.23 | tarzeau | Luka666: you can't |
| 21:26.25 | tarzeau | !rc.local |
| 21:26.26 | dpkg | i heard rc.local is the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
| 21:26.28 | concept10 | tarzeau, im trying to mount some linux shares on windows |
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| 21:26.50 | tarzeau | concept10: i see. oh taht sucks. samba configuration sucks, when you know how nfs is configured |
| 21:27.07 | tarzeau | concept10: why not just use ftp for the transfer? or (p)scp? |
| 21:27.41 | Luka666 | tarzeau: can you just tell me how to add a script to be run on bootup? |
| 21:27.51 | tarzeau | Luka666: touch /etc/init.d/autoexec.bat |
| 21:27.51 | zOap | mounting linux shares with samba is not a big problem, allthough mounting anything to windows sucks.. |
| 21:27.55 | tarzeau | Luka666: put some commands into it |
| 21:28.00 | Luka666 | :> |
| 21:28.00 | cisse | hrmmm sometimes when i compile a kernel, after i make menuconfig, when i start make i get an option asking me to choose the kernel/userspace memory split (2/2, 1/3, 3/1 kernel/user), is thers a way to make it always appear ? |
| 21:28.01 | Luka666 | cool |
| 21:28.02 | Luka666 | thx |
| 21:28.08 | tarzeau | Luka666: and cd /etc/rc2.d, ln -s ../init.d/autoexec.bat S99autoexec.bat |
| 21:28.15 | GoAuLd | no no no |
| 21:28.16 | tarzeau | Luka666: chmod +x /etc/init.d/autoexec.bat |
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| 21:28.19 | GoAuLd | no no |
| 21:28.21 | Luka666 | thx |
| 21:28.26 | tarzeau | yes yes, please don't stop. yes |
| 21:28.27 | GoAuLd | no "ln" never |
| 21:28.32 | cisse | Luka666: put the script in /etc/init.d/ and then use update-rc.d to add symlinks (eg update-rc.d /etc/init.d/myscript defaults |
| 21:28.48 | GoAuLd | thats better |
| 21:28.49 | concept10 | tarzeau, yeah, maybe i neeed to go the ftp route, I havent used windows in years so the networking baffles me on there |
| 21:29.01 | tarzeau | concept10: samba configuration baffles me |
| 21:29.23 | tarzeau | concept10: it's hilarious how they managed to make it so hard. when there was already nfs and they just could've copied the configuration syntax |
| 21:29.36 | zOap | concept10, only thing is that windows does a poor job when mounting ftp's.. it will be much slower than smb, in my experience atleast |
| 21:29.58 | tarzeau | zOap: mount ftp? with windows? |
| 21:30.04 | zOap | yes |
| 21:30.06 | tarzeau | zOap: wake up! it's just a nightmare |
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| 21:30.14 | zOap | yep, as I said:) |
| 21:30.44 | tarzeau | zOap: how can i mount ftp in windows? |
| 21:30.56 | leikh | tarzeau: nothing. it's from 1999 (I think the price back then was $1500-2000) |
| 21:31.10 | concept10 | im almost ready to throw this windows box out the window. My sneaker net usb external wouldnt work, CD Rom wont read discs burned with k3b. arrrrrrrgghhhh |
| 21:31.11 | GoAuLd | cisse: what king of kernel are you compiling? i never got that memory split thing |
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| 21:31.19 | tarzeau | zOap: You miss. Your finger hurts. |
| 21:31.20 | zOap | tarzeau, there is an application, can't remember the name right now.. but is possible, buts sucks |
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| 21:31.38 | zOap | haha, yeah, I felt that, wondered what it was :P |
| 21:31.39 | cisse | GoAuLd: see i can't recall what kernel version i compiled when i got that memory space split, but i want it back now |
| 21:31.41 | GoAuLd | king=kind |
| 21:31.45 | Aronofsky | when I tri to "aptitude install kdelibs4-dev" i got the followinf error : "The following packages are BROKEN: gamin libgamin0" |
| 21:31.52 | Aronofsky | what does it mean , |
| 21:31.53 | belkin | package is broken for streaming videos |
| 21:31.55 | Drakoooo | what soft i can use to design entities-relationship diagrams? |
| 21:32.05 | zOap | oh, well, nevermind it all |
| 21:32.06 | Aronofsky | what can I do ? |
| 21:32.13 | cisse | Aronofsky: kdelibs4-dev probably depends on those packages that aren't working correctly |
| 21:32.15 | MrNaz | Drakoooo for database schema design? |
| 21:32.23 | tarzeau | Aronofsky: sid? |
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| 21:32.31 | Aronofsky | tarzeau, yep |
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| 21:32.40 | tarzeau | Aronofsky: hehe :) |
| 21:32.46 | GoAuLd | cisse: try with make clean ; make mrproper OR make-kpkg clean |
| 21:32.51 | Aronofsky | cisse, tarzeau , what can i do ? |
| 21:32.56 | cisse | GoAuLd: ok thanks |
| 21:32.58 | tarzeau | Aronofsky: try apt-get moo |
| 21:33.01 | cisse | Aronofsky: apt-get update to start |
| 21:33.02 | concept10 | sometimes I wonder why anyone hasnt made a nice script or tool to get common shit done. example: NFS, samba and everything else. These common gnome tools just dont cut it |
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| 21:33.10 | MrNaz | Drakoooo i always tell people that you shouldnt need a tool... ERD tools are to databases what dreamweaver and other WYSIWYG editors are to HTML |
| 21:33.22 | Aronofsky | cisse, already done it |
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| 21:33.46 | Aronofsky | tarzeau, moo , what is taht ? |
| 21:33.51 | tarzeau | Aronofsky: run it |
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| 21:34.19 | indian_ | hi |
| 21:34.31 | Aronofsky | tarzeau, ok great lol |
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| 21:34.38 | tarzeau | Aronofsky: heh :) |
| 21:34.46 | tarzeau | Aronofsky: tried aptitude moo yet? |
| 21:34.54 | Aronofsky | tarzeau, seriously , any solution ? |
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| 21:35.10 | Drakoooo | MrNaz: so, how i can design it? |
| 21:35.14 | tarzeau | Aronofsky: yes waste time by some other means and try again tomorrow |
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| 21:35.25 | tarzeau | Aronofsky: try with aptitude moo, and add -v, -vv... |
| 21:35.34 | tarzeau | Aronofsky: want some great games? try nethack |
| 21:35.46 | tarzeau | Aronofsky: play chess? date women? do sports? |
| 21:35.59 | Aronofsky | tarzeau, what is nethack , |
| 21:36.03 | tarzeau | !nethack |
| 21:36.03 | dpkg | from memory, nethack is a great roguelike game that kicks butt all over *angband. For more information, read http://www.nethack.org/ or newsgroup rec.games.roguelike.nethack apt-get install nethack; then run nethack. Movement is by default using the vi keys, but you can change the keybindings |
| 21:36.22 | tarzeau | i've played it like 1-2 years until i ascenden, hehe |
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| 21:36.27 | tarzeau | warning, it's addictive |
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| 21:36.38 | tarzeau | dpkg nethack is also #nethack |
| 21:36.38 | dpkg | is also #nethack died in the Gnomish Mines on level 2. Poisoned by a chaotic kobold shaman. DYWYPI is also #nethack ? |
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| 21:37.02 | zinx | tarzeau: CMD haxxed |
| 21:37.08 | tarzeau | hm |
| 21:37.30 | bkudria | i'm trying to compile 2.6.15.6...and it fails at random points...my previous kernel was compiled with 4.0.3 |
| 21:37.43 | tarzeau | bkudria: built fine here |
| 21:37.48 | Aronofsky | tarzeau, do you know kxdocker , |
| 21:37.48 | bkudria | for example, http://pastebin.com/606198 |
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| 21:38.08 | tarzeau | Aronofsky: nope. tried pathogen or mazeofgalious? supertransball2 ? |
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| 21:38.14 | doooz | hi, i need netconfig for debian. helpme please. |
| 21:38.21 | Drakoooo | anybody knows how i can get de database mode from openoffice? |
| 21:38.21 | maxman | valdyn: would you mind helping me again? I'm having problems with Xorg. |
| 21:38.22 | tarzeau | Aronofsky: dopewars? |
| 21:38.30 | tarzeau | Drakoooo: i don't think it can do that |
| 21:38.34 | Aronofsky | tarzeau, im not really into games |
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| 21:38.35 | tarzeau | Drakoooo: it's just some bad word processor |
| 21:38.51 | tarzeau | Aronofsky: programming? hacking hardware? |
| 21:39.02 | tarzeau | Aronofsky: making music? graphics art? |
| 21:39.05 | doooz | anyone know any thing about netconfig for debian?. |
| 21:39.07 | Aronofsky | tarzeau, music and masturbation |
| 21:39.16 | Drakoooo | tarzeau, yes, a friend tellme that oo can get tables from data base and show me them like tables |
| 21:39.28 | tarzeau | Aronofsky: nice combination, where can i listen to your.. eh music? |
| 21:39.37 | tarzeau | Drakoooo: ask your friend |
| 21:39.41 | doooz | i need one application that config the network easy and wizzard. |
| 21:39.49 | tarzeau | doooz: emacs |
| 21:39.52 | Drakoooo | tarzeau: i will, but he is gone |
| 21:40.01 | tarzeau | doooz: or any other editor on /etc/network/interfaces and man 5 interfaces |
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| 21:40.17 | tarzeau | Aronofsky: a/s/l? |
| 21:40.32 | priscila | tarzeau: at least openoffice is better than other office's suites |
| 21:40.40 | doooz | \q |
| 21:40.45 | Aronofsky | tarzeau, actually im more into masturbation for the moment ... music is more like a project ... |
| 21:40.50 | tarzeau | priscila: there's other office suites better than oo, that i've seen |
| 21:40.54 | tarzeau | priscila: albeit they are not free |
| 21:41.03 | tarzeau | Aronofsky: webcam and msn? |
| 21:41.09 | tarzeau | Aronofsky: amsn can show webcams... |
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| 21:41.19 | chealer9 | doooz: etherconf? |
| 21:41.27 | Aronofsky | tarzeau, dont tell me you wanna see taht lol |
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| 21:41.38 | tarzeau | Aronofsky: lol. you're female? then yes |
| 21:41.45 | anakin_ | hi |
| 21:41.52 | tarzeau | Aronofsky: albeit i've seen yesterday a girl wank for me already (enough for the week) |
| 21:41.53 | Aronofsky | tarzeau, unfortunately not |
| 21:42.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: ahh the picture of my secretary, right? |
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| 21:42.22 | E-bola | I have a problem with my debian system |
| 21:42.27 | E-bola | it says it has 1.0 in load |
| 21:42.30 | E-bola | and seems rather slow |
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| 21:42.38 | E-bola | but nothing in "ps aux" shows any noticeable cpu usage |
| 21:42.40 | Aronofsky | tarzeau, want to chat on msn ? |
| 21:42.41 | E-bola | any ideas? |
| 21:42.46 | abrotman | tarzeau: si senor! |
| 21:42.53 | tarzeau | abrotman: but you're at work, eh? |
| 21:43.07 | Daedalus_ | E-bola: does top have anything to say about it? |
| 21:43.08 | abrotman | tarzeau: it's ok . i'm the admin .. i had to unblock porn for my boss |
| 21:43.12 | tarzeau | abrotman: can't you make some great music on your guitar for the next http://livecd.gnustep.org ? |
| 21:43.12 | priscila | tarzeau: i think openoffice may be better than them in the future |
| 21:43.20 | indian_ | i would like to use dvdrecord, but apt-get doesn't find this package; how can i find it? and i have a second question too: how can i copy a DVD? |
| 21:43.25 | tarzeau | abrotman: haha, what's the work homepage? |
| 21:43.27 | abrotman | tarzeau: eye .. beholder .. subjective |
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| 21:43.28 | E-bola | Daedalus_: it also says nothing is using any noticeable cpu ( as in nothing is using above 1%) |
| 21:43.33 | tarzeau | Aronofsky: you've got a sister? |
| 21:43.38 | doooz | *, i need a program, script only. |
| 21:43.45 | Luka666 | bye |
| 21:43.48 | tarzeau | priscila: i doubt it ever can |
| 21:43.59 | Hessophanes | E-bola: Any processes in state 'D'? |
| 21:44.02 | doooz | for debian obviusly |
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| 21:44.10 | Aronofsky | tarzeau, no but i can put a dress 4 u ... lol |
| 21:44.12 | tarzeau | priscila: it can't deal good with pictures. it gets unusable with 5+ pictures and 50+ pages |
| 21:44.23 | E-bola | Hessophanes: nope |
| 21:44.23 | tarzeau | Aronofsky: what's your msn address, then? |
| 21:44.41 | priscila | but, now i prefer use tex to write my docs |
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| 21:45.08 | bahamat | !dpkg aolify Aronofsky |
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| 21:45.54 | lewis2 | silly question - how do I view dependencies, about why a particular package isn't upgrading? |
| 21:46.05 | leikh | LSorensen: stupid is who stupid does; the que passthue is obviously not the same que as PASSTHRU :-) |
| 21:46.06 | tarzeau | lewis2: apt-cache show pkg |
| 21:46.18 | Hessophanes | E-bola: Hm, then some process must be running in a busyloop or the like... is anything exotic installed? |
| 21:46.27 | E-bola | 5359 root 18 0 27976 1188 944 D 0.0 0.5 109:37.76 apcupsd |
| 21:46.32 | leikh | LSorensen: s/thue/thru/ |
| 21:46.35 | E-bola | hmmm thats an extreme amount of time for apcupsd |
| 21:46.44 | E-bola | shouldnt be the most cpu intensive process |
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| 21:47.04 | E-bola | ohh it has D |
| 21:47.05 | Hessophanes | E-bola: Yep, and it is in state 'D'... that process is keeping your load average at 1. |
| 21:47.07 | E-bola | missed that before |
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| 21:47.21 | bahamat | lewis2: do `apt-get install pkgname` and it will tell you why it can't install |
| 21:47.21 | E-bola | ile try to restart the ups daemon |
| 21:47.43 | priscila | tarzeau: i have been heard around that openoffice has not enough developers |
| 21:47.49 | E-bola | Hessophanes: any idea whats wrong? |
| 21:47.53 | E-bola | the apc service still works |
| 21:48.04 | indian_ | bye |
| 21:48.06 | tarzeau | priscila: look |
| 21:48.20 | tarzeau | priscila: windows has enough users, and developers and money. but it doesn't get better by just that |
| 21:48.27 | tarzeau | priscila: know "viele köche verderben das essen"? |
| 21:48.32 | tarzeau | priscila: it's not about quantity. ever |
| 21:48.40 | tarzeau | priscila: you'll not have better sex with 10 women |
| 21:48.44 | Hessophanes | E-bola: Hmm, not sure, I've heard of that problem before (APC ups daemon keeping the load high)... |
| 21:49.00 | Hessophanes | E-bola: What function is the process sleeping in? (ps -owchan -p<pid>)... |
| 21:49.36 | E-bola | WCHAN |
| 21:49.36 | E-bola | 3474559104 |
| 21:49.45 | E-bola | means nothing to me :/ |
| 21:49.59 | maxman | I'm having problems configuring Xorg. It says XIO: fatal IO error 104. Does it have something to do with my monitor? As I can see in /etc/X11/corg.conf my Graphics card is detected correctly. |
| 21:50.09 | E-bola | Should i just kill it? |
| 21:50.15 | E-bola | the init script dont seam to be able to stop it |
| 21:50.32 | Hessophanes | E-bola: Uh, no name? Hmm, I though wchan info is automatically resolved, but it seems the kernel must have debugging symbols in it to work... |
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| 21:50.55 | Hessophanes | E-bola: You can't kill a 'D' process. It won't respond to signals, not even SIGKILL, while it's doing kernel I/O. |
| 21:51.00 | Chodder | Is there a way to block a package from ever being installed through apt-get? |
| 21:51.01 | E-bola | :( |
| 21:51.19 | E-bola | So nothing to due than a reboot? |
| 21:51.21 | bahamat | Chodder: yes, a couple of ways |
| 21:51.25 | E-bola | i thought that was for windows boxes only :/ |
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| 21:51.38 | Hessophanes | E-bola: But a D process shouldn't slow down your system... it's just sleeping in a kernel I/O function. |
| 21:51.40 | Chodder | bahamat, Can you explain or show me a doc about it |
| 21:51.42 | bahamat | Chodder: the easiest way would be an empty meta package |
| 21:51.44 | Hessophanes | E-bola: Is it really slower? |
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| 21:52.05 | bahamat | Chodder: but the more correct way would be with apt preferences |
| 21:52.13 | priscila | tarzeau: so, what do you think is missing in this project? |
| 21:52.17 | Chodder | bahamat, basically this package keeps coming through on upgrades and it's extremely annoying |
| 21:52.22 | E-bola | Hessophanes: well im having some trouble not being able to connect to a service on it |
| 21:52.25 | E-bola | ile look into that more first |
| 21:52.29 | E-bola | but the box seems a bit lagged |
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| 21:52.38 | bahamat | Chodder: what package is it? |
| 21:52.59 | E-bola | ohh :) |
| 21:53.02 | Chodder | scim-modules-blahlbah |
| 21:53.02 | Hessophanes | E-bola: Hmm - but you said the service apcupsd provides is still working? |
| 21:53.14 | E-bola | Hessophanes: It seemed a killall apcupsd did the job |
| 21:53.15 | bahamat | Chodder: what's it for? |
| 21:53.18 | E-bola | atleast the process is gone now |
| 21:53.20 | Chodder | bahamat, good question |
| 21:53.22 | Chodder | lol |
| 21:53.25 | tarzeau | priscila: it's a bad copy of microsoft office. zero innovation |
| 21:53.47 | okaratas | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:53.52 | Hessophanes | E-bola: Well, if the service was still working, the process must return from the D state once in a while (even though it might immediately re-enter it)... |
| 21:54.05 | E-bola | Hmm odd |
| 21:54.10 | E-bola | i suspect USB being the culprit |
| 21:54.10 | Hessophanes | E-bola: So occasionally, signals you send may be honored. ;) |
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| 21:54.30 | E-bola | ive had very varying results with usb ups communication and apcupsd |
| 21:54.37 | Chodder | bahamat, it's also known as skim, in kde |
| 21:54.40 | Hessophanes | E-bola: Maybe... without the function name the process is sleeping in, I guess there's little we can do to diagnose the problem. |
| 21:55.01 | E-bola | indeed |
| 21:55.15 | E-bola | ohh well the load is already reduced by half |
| 21:55.18 | E-bola | so im happy :) |
| 21:55.28 | Hessophanes | E-bola: Just a sec, I'll look up what is needed for wchan info to be resolved to names... |
| 21:55.28 | bahamat | Chodder: read the apt_preferences man page, that will help you |
| 21:55.32 | Hessophanes | E-bola: :) |
| 21:55.36 | Chodder | bahamat, thanks |
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| 21:55.41 | E-bola | Now to find out why i cant connect to my psybnc service anymore... |
| 21:55.42 | bahamat | Chodder: here's a hint, if you set priority 0 for a package it will never be installed |
| 21:55.42 | priscila | tarzeau: people who uses openoffice wants an office wich is compatible and works like word, powerpoint, etc .. |
| 21:55.52 | Chodder | bahamat, ya i figured that mch |
| 21:55.53 | tarzeau | priscila: true. that's why i don't use openoffice |
| 21:55.55 | Chodder | much* |
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| 21:55.57 | E-bola | Hessophanes: thanks for explaining the stuff for me :) |
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| 21:56.31 | Hessophanes | E-bola: Ah, there we have it - what kind of kernel are you running? And do you have the corresponding System.map file? |
| 21:57.08 | priscila | tarzeau: yes, i'm prefer tex or pure ascii when it is possible |
| 21:57.11 | E-bola | standard debian kernel, not self-compiled |
| 21:57.18 | E-bola | 2.6.12-1-686 |
| 21:57.54 | Hessophanes | E-bola: Ok.... (haven't used stock debian kernels since several years... doing some quick research) |
| 21:57.54 | E-bola | I have a System.map-2.6.12-1-686 in my /boot |
| 21:58.08 | bahamat | Chodder: so all you need to do is specifiy in your apt preferences file to have priority 0 for that package |
| 21:58.16 | Chodder | ya i got it |
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| 21:58.31 | bahamat | Chodder: and the man page shows the syntax |
| 21:58.36 | Chodder | ya i see it |
| 21:58.38 | Hessophanes | E-bola: Ah, fine. |
| 21:58.44 | Chodder | All I needed was the man page :) |
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| 21:58.48 | Chodder | I'm not a idiot |
| 21:59.28 | bahamat | Chodder: some people need more hand holding, and I'm also showing someone IRL what this IRC thing is all about...I'm being extra chatty for her benefit |
| 21:59.46 | Chodder | oh ok |
| 21:59.50 | Hessophanes | E-bola: Hmm, just to test the wchan thing: ps -owchan -n/boot/System.map-2.6.12-1-686 ... |
| 21:59.53 | Chodder | I'm not into spoon feeding :) |
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| 22:00.45 | h2k | Does aneyone have here experience with xorg and evdev as protocol? |
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| 22:00.56 | E-bola | WCHAN |
| 22:00.56 | E-bola | wait |
| 22:01.14 | E-bola | is there a problem with my kernel setup? |
| 22:01.21 | E-bola | the box have been super stable for the past 4 months |
| 22:01.22 | Hessophanes | E-bola: Ok, basically working. :) Still (or again) having a apcupsd process running and in D? |
| 22:01.42 | E-bola | well i started it again |
| 22:01.45 | E-bola | but its not in state R |
| 22:01.48 | E-bola | atlest acroding to top |
| 22:01.53 | E-bola | doh |
| 22:01.56 | E-bola | and now D :( |
| 22:02.11 | Hessophanes | Then do that ps command again, appending -p<pid of apcupsd>. |
| 22:02.14 | E-bola | seems to change all the time |
| 22:02.23 | MrNaz | does mdadm perform the functionality that raidhotadd does? |
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| 22:02.41 | E-bola | WCHAN |
| 22:02.41 | E-bola | * |
| 22:02.48 | pipeline | MrNaz: yes |
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| 22:03.31 | Chodder | bahamat, That worked flawlessly, thank you :) |
| 22:03.55 | Hessophanes | E-Bola: Try again... a few times, until you get a function name. (It wasn't in D if you get '*' as function name) |
| 22:04.05 | bahamat | Chodder: no prob :-) |
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| 22:04.24 | Chodder | bahamat, now are you experienced with mozilla? |
| 22:04.49 | Chodder | Well I guess a high degree of experience isn't needed for this problem |
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| 22:05.01 | _MiTo_ | http://www.stopwaroniran.org/petition.shtml |
| 22:05.01 | vin` | h2k: you might be better off just stating the problem. |
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| 22:06.01 | ak__ | Is anybody here on ipw2200? |
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| 22:06.16 | E-bola | Hessophanes: ps -p 6617 -owchan -n/boot/System.map-2.6.12-1-686 |
| 22:06.19 | E-bola | keeps returning * |
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| 22:06.34 | tototiti | hi there.. I've got a problem with etch netinstall... |
| 22:06.44 | Hessophanes | Hmm... ok, then we'll try something else: do you have strace installed? |
| 22:06.57 | E-bola | nope |
| 22:07.06 | h2k | I'm trying to get Logitech LX7 working, but xorg says it can't find evdev protocol. I have evdev module loaded... |
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| 22:07.45 | E-bola | sec... |
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| 22:08.02 | Hessophanes | E-bola: Ok... |
| 22:08.06 | h2k | and installing xserver-xorg-input-evdev is going to break X install |
| 22:08.22 | tototiti | after netinstalling etch, grub gives me a disk read error 25... |
| 22:08.29 | tototiti | any idea ? |
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| 22:08.46 | MrNaz | i suppose you've run badblocks? |
| 22:08.59 | tototiti | MrNaz : how ? |
| 22:09.31 | E-bola | Hessophanes: ok ready |
| 22:09.31 | MrNaz | tototiti run badblocks -s /dev/hda |
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| 22:09.48 | limbeaux | is there a program for linux similar to windows dvdshrink ? |
| 22:09.50 | tototiti | MrNaz : how do I get a prompt ? |
| 22:09.58 | MrNaz | err... |
| 22:10.02 | MrNaz | :P |
| 22:10.02 | tototiti | lol |
| 22:10.22 | MrNaz | i have more trouble getting a GUI in linux then getting a prompt :P |
| 22:10.29 | tototiti | lol |
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| 22:10.48 | chealer9 | h2k: what's xserver-xorg-input-evdev? |
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| 22:11.04 | Hessophanes | E-bola: Ok... do (assuming your running a bash) 'strace -p6617 2> somefile', wait a few seconds, and press Ctrl+C. Warning: You have to be the same user apcupsd is running as, or root, to do that. |
| 22:11.09 | Hessophanes | s/your/you're/ |
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| 22:11.18 | Assid | heya |
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| 22:11.47 | h2k | chealer9: I think it's supposed to put some needed evdev stuff in xorg .. no idea tho, it's in experimental only |
| 22:11.48 | abrotman | Hessophanes: to #iptables! :) |
| 22:12.02 | tototiti | how can I fix my grub anybody ? |
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| 22:12.37 | abrotman | tototiti: google for error 25 .. do you find anything? .. |
| 22:12.38 | E-bola | Hessophanes: done |
| 22:12.50 | tototiti | I did... not anything that helped. |
| 22:12.58 | E-bola | lots of debug stuff... |
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| 22:13.12 | Hessophanes | E-bola: Ok... is there a repeating pattern? |
| 22:13.19 | omi | anyone using CKERMIT? What keystroke sends BREAK sequence? |
| 22:13.24 | E-bola | yes |
| 22:13.52 | tototiti | some guy had the same problem and he installed lilo instead of grub... and that fixed his problem. |
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| 22:13.55 | E-bola | it does a fstat,select,read and time |
| 22:13.59 | Hessophanes | E-bola: Could you show it to me (=> www.pastebin.com)? |
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| 22:14.04 | E-bola | and then fires 10-15 ioctl |
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| 22:14.13 | E-bola | yep sec |
| 22:14.19 | tototiti | grub fails when it tries to get the kernel |
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| 22:15.26 | abrotman | !grub floppy |
| 22:15.27 | E-bola | Hessophanes: http://pastebin.com/606315 |
| 22:15.30 | abrotman | !grub boot floppy |
| 22:15.32 | abrotman | !grub boot image |
| 22:15.34 | abrotman | i give up |
| 22:15.42 | tototiti | I've got no floppy drive.. |
| 22:16.08 | Liquid_Ic | where should i put a progrom so that it will launch before x |
| 22:16.16 | abrotman | tototiti: grab .. an Ubuntu CD .. it has a grub .. you can edit the entries and see if your can get your machine to boot |
| 22:16.36 | tototiti | well... I was running kubuntu on the same partition. |
| 22:16.37 | E-bola | Hessophanes: Im using an USB ups btw, which is the only usb device connected to the system. In case that has any significance |
| 22:16.40 | Hessophanes | E-bola: Thanks... wait a sec, I'll dive into the apcupsd source - maybe I'll find something. |
| 22:16.46 | Estes2 | I use apache-ssl and when i start the daemon through /etc/init.d/apache-ssl start, it hangs, so i type my password and it starts... everything's fine... i just wish i had some command line argument to set so this wouldn't be so... interactive since i want to do this from a script. any idea please ? |
| 22:16.47 | Hessophanes | E-bola: Ok... |
| 22:16.52 | E-bola | Hessophanes: apreciate u taking the time... |
| 22:16.56 | tototiti | then I decided to go back to debian.. and reformated it to ext3... but it's the same partition. |
| 22:17.14 | LoRez | Estes2: you can remove the passphrase from the certificate |
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| 22:17.30 | Liquid_Ic | i installed a program and it put a line into .Xclient in my home directory bt that doesn't seem to do anything. where should it go? |
| 22:17.57 | tototiti | Liquid_Ic : in /etc/init.d... etc |
| 22:18.02 | Estes2 | LoRez, yes ? how should i do this ? |
| 22:18.08 | LoRez | Estes2: cp server.key server.key-with-passphrase ; openssl rsa -in server.key-with-passphrase -out server.key ; chmod 400 server.key |
| 22:18.21 | tototiti | I'm so pissed of with this netinstall.... pffff.... |
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| 22:19.00 | tototiti | first it failed on ispell .. so I removed everything and only kept standard installation.. |
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| 22:19.09 | tototiti | then it installed a crap grub conf... |
| 22:19.10 | Liquid_Ic | tototiti, which file in /etc/init.d ? |
| 22:19.13 | Estes2 | LoRez, nice, thanks, i didn't know fajita had such stuff, it's finally less stupid than i thought |
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| 22:19.31 | tototiti | Liquid_Ic : well.. you need to make a script in your runlevel subdir.. in there.. |
| 22:20.06 | DevilChaos | hi how do i pick up a memo i have recieved im using ksirc? |
| 22:20.06 | tototiti | Liquid_Ic : and prefix it with a number lower than the one of gdm... |
| 22:20.33 | tototiti | Liquid_Ic : sorry mate.. I'm on a windows box... my linux's broken pff... (damn netinstall !!) |
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| 22:20.44 | DevilChaos | doh |
| 22:20.52 | Liquid_Ic | np thanks for th einfo |
| 22:20.59 | DevilChaos | windblows to the rescue |
| 22:21.00 | tototiti | good luck |
| 22:21.01 | Liquid_Ic | i think rc.local might work |
| 22:21.05 | tototiti | lol |
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| 22:21.26 | tototiti | well.. I found out you could use IRC from windows... which grub doesn't allow.. |
| 22:21.35 | DevilChaos | eh |
| 22:21.41 | DevilChaos | cat ninja |
| 22:21.51 | nzx_ | hey, i was trying to get sonykeyd working, i followed the instructions and loaded sonypi and everything, the fn keys are now working but i think they are bound to something else,how can i check ? |
| 22:21.53 | DevilChaos | i used that since 98 |
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| 22:22.25 | tototiti | I'm gonna put my file on a dvd, get rid of the whole softs and clean all partitions, then restart netinstall with a clean harddrive. |
| 22:22.36 | tototiti | and let debian deal with the partitions itself. |
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| 22:22.47 | priscila | DevilChaos: /msg memoserv read <number's message> |
| 22:22.53 | DevilChaos | ty |
| 22:23.02 | tototiti | ok, let's do it. |
| 22:23.08 | tototiti | thanks for your answers guys. |
| 22:23.14 | tototiti | see you later hopefully. |
| 22:23.16 | DevilChaos | :) |
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| 22:24.09 | karma | whats the best way to check the amount of RAM a machine has? |
| 22:24.25 | E-bola | watch it boot |
| 22:24.26 | nzx_ | when i press fn+volume up, i get a window that ways volume, whats program is it and how can i configure it ? |
| 22:24.33 | tototiti | I have to say one thing about netinstall though. It's great... when it works ! |
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| 22:24.44 | LTL | karma - 'free' |
| 22:24.47 | priscila | karma: cat /proc/meminfo |
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| 22:24.57 | karma | E-bola: It is a remote machine... |
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| 22:25.07 | E-bola | karma: u could try free -m |
| 22:25.12 | E-bola | or look in the bootup logs |
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| 22:25.19 | E-bola | or use some hardware info tool |
| 22:25.21 | E-bola | lots of ways |
| 22:25.27 | karma | MemTotal: 906736 kB |
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| 22:25.41 | karma | so basically that show that there is 1Gig? |
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| 22:25.46 | E-bola | ye |
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| 22:26.22 | karma | cool...that is what top was showing but my provider was trying to tell me there was 1.5 Gigs |
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| 22:26.58 | E-bola | atleast linux only uses 1gb |
| 22:27.16 | karma | ? |
| 22:27.21 | E-bola | ? |
| 22:27.22 | tototiti | how much can you put on a dvd ? |
| 22:27.23 | dvm1981 | karma: An Gig is Mem: 1036524 |
| 22:27.26 | tototiti | 5Gb ? |
| 22:27.29 | shaka | what if you run with 2GB on a NOHIGHMEM kernel? where will it show 800MB and where will it show 2GB? |
| 22:28.02 | dvm1981 | karma: So there are bit lesser |
| 22:28.03 | priscila | karma: are you certaly that its is the real size? do you know if kernel has highmem support? |
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| 22:28.48 | dvm1981 | karma: Or is ther kernel version right? I mean an 686 or so. |
| 22:28.57 | karma | priscila: I don't... the machine just came up... and cat /proc/meminfo shows 906736 kB |
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| 22:29.23 | shaka | karma, i would say the most reliable place to check memsize is during POST or BIOS menus |
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| 22:29.48 | priscila | shaka: if your kernel doesnt have highmem support, it doesnt show all memory installed |
| 22:30.17 | dvm1981 | karma: I rememeber that when i was running the stock one 2.6, he only see +- 800MB RAM, but there was more on it an Gig |
| 22:30.57 | shaka | priscila, that's what I was hinting for. querying memory size in linux isn't reliable unless you have highmem |
| 22:31.04 | karma | so...without access to the machines... what is the best way to figure out what I have? Can I grep /var/log/messages for something? |
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| 22:31.56 | priscila | its occurs if has more than 1 GB of memory, of course |
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| 22:32.27 | karma | Jan 16 09:38:43 CHANGEME kernel: Memory: 495932k/507840k available (1336k kernel code, 11136k reserved, 732k data, 204 |
| 22:32.27 | karma | k init, 0k highmem) |
| 22:32.52 | priscila | karma: the best question would be "how can i see if kernel has highmem support?" but i dont know the answer .. |
| 22:33.09 | tototiti | another question about etch netinstall... it chose "laptop" "standard installation" and "graphical env" by default... but then it fails configuring ispell and consequently fails installing at all... did anybody see that before ?? |
| 22:33.29 | MrNaz | whats the best server monitoring application? |
| 22:33.42 | tototiti | shall I stick to a stable install and then upgrade to etch ? |
| 22:33.45 | dvm1981 | MrNaz: Snort? |
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| 22:34.09 | MrNaz | dvm1981 ive only looked at nagios... ill check that one out as well |
| 22:34.30 | shaka | the highmem keyword at the end of the "Memory:" line in dmesg suggests highmem is active, i guess |
| 22:34.32 | Yango | hi, what was the option to dpkg to show the list of files installed by the package? |
| 22:34.40 | dvm1981 | MrNaz: 'apt-cache search <KEY_WORD>' |
| 22:34.51 | karma | I am guessing the paste from the logs was of no help... anyone know how to check for highmem? |
| 22:35.01 | Yango | -L |
| 22:35.11 | Hessophanes | E-bola: Hmm, it seems to be implemented that way - constant polling of the UPS state. |
| 22:35.13 | sonyman | Can someone tell me why I dh_python says "unable to parse python version from unknown option -V" when I try to compiled libxml2? |
| 22:35.33 | dvm1981 | Yango: yes |
| 22:35.51 | E-bola | Hessophanes: ile check to see if another box i have, that also runs apcupsd, has an equal high load |
| 22:36.06 | karma | shaka: I was thinking that might mean that too... but that line show Memory: 495932k/507840k |
| 22:36.16 | E-bola | hmmm nope |
| 22:36.20 | E-bola | it doesnt |
| 22:36.33 | lewis2 | what is the timeframe on AMD64 security updates? |
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| 22:36.42 | Hessophanes | E-bola: Could you produce another strace dump, on that second box? |
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| 22:37.33 | priscila | shaka: consequently, if dmesg printed this message, you can belive in meminfo |
| 22:37.58 | E-bola | Hessophanes: sure thing |
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| 22:38.52 | karma | actually...that line is from jan 16th... the current line has Memory: 901948k/917504k and 0k highmem) |
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| 22:41.39 | E-bola | Hessophanes: http://pastebin.com/606375 |
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| 22:42.28 | Hessophanes | E-bola: Thanks - I'll have a look... |
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| 22:42.50 | E-bola | There are 2 usb ups's connected to that machine |
| 22:43.36 | quitte | can i split the irssi screen to watch two channels? |
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| 22:44.32 | lewis2 | how can I tell dpkg to ignore the architecture? |
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| 22:46.02 | Shadowcat | lewis2: man dpkg |
| 22:47.01 | Blissex | eeyore-: resolving a DNS name via a chain of domains. |
| 22:48.23 | Hessophanes | E-bola: Could you tell me what exactly fd 4 is connected to? (lsof -p<pid> or ls -l /proc/<pid>/fd/) |
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| 22:48.38 | E-bola | Hessophanes: on the first or the second system? |
| 22:48.59 | Hessophanes | E-bola: Should be equivalent. :) |
| 22:49.10 | eeyore- | Blissex: mmmmm, example? |
| 22:49.14 | Lysaer | hi all - I have a quick question - I have just installed the x window system and it's failing to start due to not being able to find my ps/2 mouse. What device would it be in /dev? |
| 22:49.42 | stouset | Lysaer: /dev/input/mice |
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| 22:49.57 | Blissex | eeyore-: www.ibm.com: first ask the server for .com, then the server for ibm.com |
| 22:50.01 | E0x | hello |
| 22:50.07 | Lysaer | stouset: hmm. that's what it's failing to load. Could it be anything else? |
| 22:50.38 | E0x | i install Quod Libet and dont play the files ( totem play the mp3 fine ) |
| 22:50.41 | stouset | Lysaer: modprobe psmouse |
| 22:50.43 | E0x | any idea |
| 22:51.04 | Lysaer | stouset: Can't locate... |
| 22:51.11 | E-bola | Hessophanes: The second system: http://pastebin.com/606396 |
| 22:51.26 | Hessophanes | Lysaer: What error message does 'cat /dev/input/mice' produce? |
| 22:51.28 | Hessophanes | E-bola: Thx! |
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| 22:51.46 | Hessophanes | E-bola: Ah, hiddev... |
| 22:51.49 | E-bola | Hessophanes: the first system: http://pastebin.com/606397 |
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| 22:51.54 | E-bola | ye usb devil |
| 22:52.22 | nzx_ | http://nzx.mooo.com/Untitled.gif <-- can someone tell me what program this is ? |
| 22:52.24 | Lysaer | Hessophanes: Just that it 'Cannot open device /dev/input/mice' |
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| 22:52.48 | Hessophanes | Lysaer: Tried as root? |
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| 22:53.34 | Lysaer | Hessophanes: Yup. Just doesn't seem to see the mouse :( |
| 22:53.38 | Hessophanes | E-bola: Hmmmmm. It seems the UPS connected to the high-load box is sending tons of data without being explicitly asked to - maybe it believes to be in some strange state...? |
| 22:54.25 | Hessophanes | Lysaer: Whats the exact error message? "No such device"? Or "No such file"? |
| 22:54.26 | E-bola | Hessophanes: are you sure its the ups sending to the server, and not the server querying the ups? |
| 22:54.48 | E-bola | IOnly difference is the highload box ups is more expensive and a bit more advanced |
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| 22:55.03 | Lysaer | Hessophanes: just 'Cannot open device' thats all. |
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| 22:55.12 | E-bola | maybe its being a bit "too smart" for the apcups |
| 22:55.30 | Hessophanes | E-bola: The server is querying the UPS via ioctls() - but the data is stored into a pointer the ioctl() was called with. |
| 22:55.41 | Hessophanes | E-bola: The data that is read() afterwards is something different. |
| 22:55.52 | E-bola | hmm odd, that makes no sence? |
| 22:55.53 | Hessophanes | E-bola: And that is what is interrupting the 60sec sleep that is meant to keep the load down. ;) |
| 22:55.58 | sonyman | Can someone tell me why I dh_python says "unable to parse python version from unknown option -V" when I try to compile libxml2? |
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| 22:56.42 | abrotman | where'd all the DDs go? |
| 22:56.42 | Hessophanes | Lysaer: Cannot open device... *ponders* I didn't expect that... *diving into <errno-base.h>* just a sec... |
| 22:56.52 | E-bola | Hessophanes: they report the same status flag (the ups's that is) |
| 22:57.06 | abrotman | sonyman: maybe ask #python .. i would assume it means that the format wasn't what it expected |
| 22:57.07 | Hessophanes | E-bola: Hmm. But you said it's a different model? |
| 22:57.12 | Lysaer | Hessophanes: Thanks... I have never seen it before. It's odd. |
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| 22:57.41 | Lysaer | Hessophanes: Ahh - a few lines after it says 'No such device' |
| 22:57.43 | E-bola | Hessophanes: yes the highload is a Back-UPS RS 1000. The normal working system is a Back-UPS CS 500 |
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| 22:58.07 | sonyman | abrotman k |
| 22:58.36 | Hessophanes | Lysaer: Aaah - there we have it. ENODEV. Ok, now which was which... *more header diving* |
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| 22:59.35 | beardy | sonyman: If you are feeling lucky you could edit the Makefile and give it what it wants instead of $(python -V) or what it does. |
| 22:59.47 | Lysaer | Hessophanes: Ahh! I just installed mdetect and it found it on /dev/psaux |
| 22:59.56 | Lysaer | Hessophanes: It can see it now. :-) |
| 23:00.10 | Lysaer | Hessophanes: I must have an elusive mouse... :-D |
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| 23:00.18 | Hessophanes | Lysaer: psaux is the old device... do you still have a 2.4 kernel? |
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| 23:01.05 | Lysaer | Hessophanes: That must be it. I installed using an old sarge disk... I guess I need a kernel upgrade! |
| 23:01.17 | Lysaer | Hessophanes: It's been a while :-) |
| 23:01.23 | Hessophanes | Lysaer: Ah ok, I see. :) |
| 23:01.37 | Lysaer | Hessophanes: Thanks for your help! |
| 23:02.42 | Hessophanes | E-bola: Hm... I can see no quick way of solving your problem. I'd have to decipher the read() data, and that will take a lot of time - given that I'm not very familiar with the USB subsystem. ;) |
| 23:02.46 | nzx_ | http://nzx.mooo.com/Untitled.gif <-- can someone tell me what program this is ? |
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| 23:04.42 | Hessophanes | E-bola: Perhaps you might consider filing a bug against apcupsd (minor severity), containing the strace output? |
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| 23:08.15 | MrNaz | when installing apache2 for debian how do you enable mod_ssl and mod_deflate? |
| 23:08.41 | JochenA | nzx_: looks like you were changing your display brightness and your system actually works with your laptop to show the current level. I'm impressed :) |
| 23:08.46 | MrNaz | can you just add configuration directives to the apt-get install command? |
| 23:09.34 | nzx_ | JochenA, it doesnt really work, the bars change, but the volume, brightness doesnt |
| 23:10.01 | nzx_ | JochenA, if i knew what the program was, that was poping up the levels, i could make it work |
| 23:10.20 | Hessophanes | MrNaz: ln -s /etc/apache2/mods-available/ssl.load /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ - and similarly for ssl.conf and deflate.load. |
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| 23:10.58 | Hessophanes | MrNaz: Then reload apache2. But that just enables the modules, you'll still have to configure them. |
| 23:11.04 | JochenA | MrNaz: a2enmod modulename will enable the mod if it is already installed. Look into /etc/apache2/mods-available to check that. That command will then create a link in mod-enabled and apache will use the mod upon restart. |
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| 23:11.29 | MrNaz | JochenA how do you install the module? |
| 23:12.27 | JochenA | nzx_: I'd guess KDE might come with some module, but I'm more a Gnome guy so I don't know exactly which program would do that. I suppose you already checked out the control centre. |
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| 23:12.42 | Hessophanes | MrNaz: They are part of the apache2-common package - at least the two you have mentioned. |
| 23:12.59 | MrNaz | Hessophanes aah so apt-get install apache will install them by default? |
| 23:13.06 | MrNaz | apache2 |
| 23:13.26 | nzx_ | JochenA, been looking there but cant see anything, i got the fn keys working by setting up, sonypi, |
| 23:13.49 | runa_ | ive got a problem with my modem;its not regognized and i dont know what to do |
| 23:13.51 | Hessophanes | MrNaz: Yes, apache2 pulls in apache2-mpm-<mpm type>, which pulls in apache2-common, which contains the modules. |
| 23:14.02 | JochenA | MrNaz: I think ssl comes with apache2 standard |
| 23:14.10 | MrNaz | thanks guys |
| 23:14.12 | Hessophanes | MrNaz: The most common modules, that is. |
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| 23:14.34 | Hessophanes | MrNaz: If you need more exotic modules, look for packages called "libapache2-mod-...". |
| 23:15.25 | MrNaz | Hessophanes found them... thanks |
| 23:15.44 | runa_ | ive got a problem with my modem;its not regognized and i dont know what to do |
| 23:16.00 | Hessophanes | np |
| 23:16.00 | AlienX | runa_, is it a winmodem? |
| 23:16.01 | MrNaz | is php5 in sarge? |
| 23:16.41 | JochenA | nzx_: Unfortunately I don't know further either. I'm happy that the function keys for brightness etc. just work on my laptop; was too lazy to see if I could get such eyecandy :). |
| 23:16.46 | Hessophanes | MrNaz: => http://packages.debian.org/php5 => No. |
| 23:16.49 | JohnFlux | Hi |
| 23:16.50 | disposable | is there any special reason why nobody(in howtos, man pages) uses journaled filesystem inside an encrypted file? (losetup) |
| 23:16.51 | runa_ | Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Modem |
| 23:17.10 | JohnFlux | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:17.15 | JohnFlux | I was thinking of perhaps a network install |
| 23:17.27 | JohnFlux | but not sure how to get it started |
| 23:17.32 | AlienX | runa_, yep, winmodem. That's why. |
| 23:17.32 | MrNaz | Hessophanes thanks... sorry for the noob questions im still new to debian im not familiar with all the little tools to find these things out |
| 23:17.46 | Hessophanes | MrNaz: No problem. :) |
| 23:17.46 | nzx_ | i hope someone recongises it |
| 23:17.57 | runa_ | what should i do? |
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| 23:18.22 | AlienX | runa_, buy a hardware modem |
| 23:18.22 | MrNaz | Hessophanes im performing a long overdue migration of my server from fedora to deb sarge |
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| 23:18.25 | disposable | JohnFlux: i once had etch that booted from a usb flashdisk. not sure where i got it from though. try to find that. |
| 23:18.45 | runa_ | i cant its on a laptop :( |
| 23:18.52 | KinxofSepluv | Does Debian support the Reality Platform? I need to run a fsck on my y chromosome |
| 23:18.59 | AlienX | runa_, i'd suggest getting a xircom pcmcia modem |
| 23:19.00 | nzx_ | runa_, what computer is it ? |
| 23:19.00 | Hessophanes | MrNaz: Ah, I see. :) |
| 23:19.14 | JohnFlux | disposable: I doubt the bios will let me boot from usb |
| 23:19.17 | JohnFlux | disposable: nice idea though |
| 23:19.24 | runa_ | sony vaio b1xp |
| 23:19.30 | JohnFlux | disposable: I'll double check though |
| 23:19.43 | nzx_ | runa_, hehe, i have a vaio as well |
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| 23:20.11 | runa_ | did u have a modem problem |
| 23:20.14 | runa_ | ? |
| 23:20.26 | nzx_ | runa_, nope, my modem works great |
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| 23:20.43 | nzx_ | try installing sl-modem-daemon |
| 23:20.50 | nzx_ | i think that mite support your modem |
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| 23:22.02 | nzx_ | runa_, let me know how you get on |
| 23:22.02 | Hessophanes | JohnFlux: This might help you... http://marc.herbert.free.fr/linux/win2linstall.html |
| 23:22.13 | rolo | hi there, whats a nice little html editor ... with ftp build into it for linux ? |
| 23:22.31 | JochenA | JohnFlux: I'm wondering if it is possible to install a minimum boot/root partition on another machine and then dump the image onto the harddrive using the existing OS. |
| 23:23.02 | JochenA | JohnFlux: I thing there is a grub exe for windows as well to install it into the boot sector from a running windows. |
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| 23:23.56 | JohnFlux | JochenA: I do amazingly have a spare partition |
| 23:24.22 | beardy | rolo: <favourite editor> <favourite shell> and <favourite ftp client>, not sure if the specialised html editors like quanta, monkey-something(?) has ftp support. 'apt-cache search "html editor"' and a web search engine. |
| 23:24.27 | JohnFlux | JochenA: if there's a grub exe for windows, I might be able to just copy the files straight into the partition from windows |
| 23:24.33 | JohnFlux | JochenA: ah like you say |
| 23:26.25 | nzx_ | runa_, everything ok ? |
| 23:26.39 | runa_ | no it doest work |
| 23:26.46 | JohnFlux | JochenA: oh I forgot all about loadlin! I used to use it like 10 years ago when everywhere was win95 |
| 23:27.00 | JochenA | JohnFlux: yep, that link that Hessophanes posted seems do describe it very detailed. I'll have to bookmark that myself :) |
| 23:27.08 | runa_ | i installed it |
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| 23:27.19 | runa_ | should i do something else |
| 23:27.52 | disposable | rolo: you will probably like Nvu, but it's not available through debian repositories. you'll have to download the binaries from it's website |
| 23:27.59 | Hessophanes | I remembered there was some way to do such an install - just a lucky google result. ;) |
| 23:28.42 | nzx_ | runa_, what did it say when you installed it? |
| 23:29.04 | JohnFlux | Hessophanes: yeah thanks |
| 23:29.34 | matthew | Hello all. I just installed Debian etch and KDE, but I have no sound. My card is SB Audigy 2. I'm looking in modconf right now and snd-emu10k1 is installed already. |
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| 23:30.20 | runa_ | perhaps anything is allright |
| 23:30.27 | knvinh | matthew: try alsaconf |
| 23:30.34 | runa_ | 1 [Modem ]: ICH-MODEM - Intel 82801DB-ICH4 Modem |
| 23:30.35 | runa_ | Starting SmartLink Modem driver for: modem:1. |
| 23:30.35 | runa_ | Creating /dev/modem symlink, pointing to: /dev/ttySL0. |
| 23:31.20 | matthew | knvinh: I don't have alsa installed. Should I try installing it? |
| 23:31.43 | knvinh | matthew: I think you should |
| 23:31.44 | beardy | !alsa 2.6 |
| 23:31.44 | dpkg | On Sarge with a 2.6 kernel, to use ALSA, apt-get install alsa-utils discover1. You may need to run alsaconf too. No more faffing about with OSS modules. Remember to tell your applications and libraries to use alsa, to get any benefit. |
| 23:32.36 | nn- | matthew: did you remember to turn the mixer up |
| 23:32.38 | nn- | `? |
| 23:33.08 | nn- | alsa usually mutes all devices at startup |
| 23:33.27 | runa_ | i dont understand why pppconfig does not find the port automaticly |
| 23:33.30 | matthew | nn-: Thanks I'll remember that :) |
| 23:33.35 | nzx_ | rumpl, edit /etc/default/sl-modem-daemon |
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| 23:35.47 | nzx_ | change SLMODEMD_DEVICE=auto to SLMODEMD_DEVICE=hw:0 |
| 23:35.58 | nzx_ | runa_, change SLMODEMD_DEVICE=auto to SLMODEMD_DEVICE=hw:0 |
| 23:35.59 | dannythm | hello |
| 23:36.02 | nzx_ | that mite work |
| 23:36.39 | dannythm | hmmm... |
| 23:37.19 | dannythm | more problems derived of upgrading from sarge.... I have no sound and dunno what to do to get it. The kernel supports it, but still don't works |
| 23:37.25 | dannythm | I have an ac97 |
| 23:37.47 | beardy | dannythm: what dpkg said above |
| 23:37.56 | runa_ | thanks it works |
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| 23:38.12 | Hessophanes | He joined afterwards, beardy... |
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| 23:38.19 | Hessophanes | !alsa 2.6 |
| 23:38.19 | dpkg | On Sarge with a 2.6 kernel, to use ALSA, apt-get install alsa-utils discover1. You may need to run alsaconf too. No more faffing about with OSS modules. Remember to tell your applications and libraries to use alsa, to get any benefit. |
| 23:38.27 | beardy | dannythm: /msg dpkg alsa 2.6 |
| 23:38.39 | dannythm | ok |
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| 23:41.14 | unfo | hi all, most function keys, e.g. f4 and f24, do not work for me in tn5250 under screen under konsole with TERM=xterm set. could anyone provide emotional support? |
| 23:41.44 | ma3x | what does this option do in the dvdauthor.xml? chapters="0,0:30,1:00,1:30,2:30,3:00,3:30,4:00 ? |
| 23:41.54 | beardy | :comfort unfo |
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| 23:41.59 | beardy | !comfort unfo |
| 23:42.00 | dpkg | There, there, unfo. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 23:42.13 | unfo | beardy: you didn't have to get the bot to do it for you :) |
| 23:42.18 | unfo | thx tho |
| 23:42.31 | dannythm | beardy: why I always forget about alsa? lol |
| 23:42.59 | elfredo | unfo hmm, they work here on a slackware box, if you are quick we can compare some relevant files if you want |
| 23:43.03 | beardy | unfo: If you run screen, the TERM should be screen. DO you set it to xterm yourself? |
| 23:43.08 | unfo | beardy: yes |
| 23:43.17 | beardy | unfo: To accomplish what? |
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| 23:43.55 | unfo | To make the backtab key work. It's a gross hack, and now that you mention it, I think I'll disable it. |
| 23:44.08 | unfo | I never use backtab anymore. |
| 23:44.21 | beardy | unfo: backtab? |
| 23:44.39 | loggygreg | unfo: backspace ? |
| 23:44.42 | unfo | Shift+Tab, it tabs backwards to the previous field. |
| 23:44.55 | unfo | No, backspace is always broken on all 5250's. :) |
| 23:45.13 | unfo | I wish destructive backspace was the IBM standard. |
| 23:45.19 | beardy | unfo: Ah. doesn't that work in screen you mean, with $TERM=screen? |
| 23:45.29 | unfo | it never used to. |
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| 23:46.30 | unfo | Shift-F1 is still broken. It still gives [[D. |
| 23:46.39 | beardy | unfo: It's hard to know what to blame, screen, konsole, other things. |
| 23:46.42 | unfo | s/still/now |
| 23:49.12 | unfo | under Konsole without screen and with TERM set as normal, F4 gives [[D and "F13" gives [[A. |
| 23:49.18 | unfo | I'll try in xterm now. |
| 23:49.21 | elfredo | shift-f1 clears the screen here :) |
| 23:49.26 | elfredo | gl though |
| 23:49.34 | unfo | gl? |
| 23:49.41 | elfredo | in finding the error |
| 23:49.46 | unfo | thx :) |
| 23:49.53 | elfredo | as/400? |
| 23:50.18 | unfo | of course |
| 23:50.28 | unfo | what else? |
| 23:50.37 | elfredo | true :) |
| 23:50.54 | unfo | they're good machines, but hard to learn. |
| 23:51.14 | roler | are there any cons to using bootsplash? |
| 23:51.37 | elfredo | the concept is pretty neat imo, but still a pita to get understand |
| 23:51.45 | elfredo | -get |
| 23:53.02 | unfo | yep, and there's no active irc channel for it afaik. |
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| 23:55.10 | tuv | what is a good c++ ide? |
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| 23:55.17 | unfo | tuv: vim or emacs |
| 23:55.23 | unfo | tuv: or kdevelop |
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| 23:55.47 | loggygreg | tuv: or anjuta |
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| 23:56.04 | tuv | how do they compare? any recommendation? |
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| 23:56.22 | l3m | tuv: i prefer kdevelop3, but both are capable ide's |
| 23:56.25 | unfo | tuv: do you use vim, emacs, pico, or kedit now? |
| 23:56.39 | tuv | unfo: emacs occasionally |
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| 23:56.52 | l3m | tuv: vim, pico, kate are just (source) editors |
| 23:56.59 | unfo | emacs is an ide |
| 23:57.02 | l3m | tuv: anjuta and kdevelop are fully grown ides |
| 23:57.03 | tuv | unfo: usually gedit, but just for minor editing |
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| 23:57.10 | l3m | tuv: emacs is an abomination ;) |
| 23:57.11 | Pollywog | what do I need to do to get Debian sarge to "see" external drives connected to USB? |
| 23:57.15 | l3m | hehe |
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| 23:57.35 | elfredo | unfo this might be of some help to you http://www.chowhouse.com/~james/tn5250-HOWTO.pdf |
| 23:57.37 | tuv | i'm about to engage in somewhat heavy development, so i thought i better start with something more capable than gedit ;) |
| 23:57.40 | unfo | tuv: i say, try emacs, if you don't like it, then switch to something else. |
| 23:57.54 | eeyore- | i like vi for editing ... besides i use vi + cweb + tex anyway, so i'm kind of not in the target user for the IDE's |
| 23:57.54 | Pollywog | maybe it does not work because the laptop is OLD |
| 23:57.55 | unfo | elfredo: thanks |
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| 23:58.09 | tuv | unfo: i never tried emacs for c++, used it for latex though. any needed setup or additional helpful tools? |
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| 23:58.18 | Terminus | Pollywog: usb drives are usually seen as scsi so you could use something like mount /dev/sda1 |
| 23:58.20 | elfredo | np, best of luck again, i am off to bed... |
| 23:58.39 | Pollywog | Terminus: ty |
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| 23:58.54 | Terminus | :) |
| 23:58.59 | unfo | tuv: M-x compile to compile the 1st time; M-x recompile afterwards; C-x ` to skip to next error; M-x gdb to start the integrated debugger |
| 23:59.28 | Pollywog | my Xandros systems see the drive but for some reason the drive does not play nice and Samba breaks down |
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| 23:59.40 | Pollywog | the debian system does not see the drive |
| 23:59.49 | Pollywog | and Samba does not break down |
