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| 00:01.07 | CATLI_NL | goodevening people |
| 00:01.23 | CATLI_NL | i got a question about debian |
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| 00:01.35 | CATLI_NL | can anybody help me? |
| 00:01.46 | VulpesFoxnik | Ask away |
| 00:01.52 | CATLI_NL | ok |
| 00:01.54 | debian-newbie | hi! can anyone tell me with which command I start xfce4-cpufreq-plugin ? I installed it through apt-get.. |
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| 00:02.53 | CATLI_NL | i installed motion and cambozola for linux, everything is working fine, but i can't connect to my mini-http server from iexplorer |
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| 00:04.03 | VulpesFoxnik | CATLI_NL: And this ihas to do with debian how? |
| 00:04.31 | Stevie | obviously he is running explorer under wine |
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| 00:05.38 | marl | hi, can anyone point me in the rite direction to get help on debian 'debuild'? , i can install a package fine with the standard ./configure/make/make install, but when trying to use debuild it installs in the wrong locations :( (im trying to get the package to install under /opt rather than /usr) |
| 00:05.57 | suryam | hi, my computer stopped beeping.. how can i fix it? echo -e '\a' # silence |
| 00:06.04 | VulpesFoxnik | lol |
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| 00:06.42 | suryam | really! i can't live without the beeping... since i have no speakers |
| 00:07.30 | CATLI_NL | vulpesfoxnik, i cambozola is java, with a webbrowser i can connect to motion(webcam server) |
| 00:07.33 | azeem | marl: debian packages isntall into /usr by default |
| 00:07.45 | azeem | marl: you will have to edit debian/rules to make differently |
| 00:07.52 | CATLI_NL | in the config file of motion it is configured at port 8080 |
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| 00:08.17 | azeem | marl: what to edit exactly depends on each package |
| 00:08.22 | CATLI_NL | but if trie to connect, it says connection refused |
| 00:08.43 | VulpesFoxnik | Your having it loopback to localhost? |
| 00:08.54 | marl | azeem, i have tried editing the debvian/rules , but it still insists on installing in /usr, (--prefix=/opt/ross/usr is in the cfflags var in the debian rules file) |
| 00:08.54 | CATLI_NL | no, i don't think |
| 00:09.07 | VulpesFoxnik | So motion is on anther machine |
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| 00:09.20 | CATLI_NL | no, on the same machine |
| 00:09.22 | marl | that same line works fine from the standard config/make/make install method of installation |
| 00:09.39 | azeem | marl: --prefix an option to configure, don't put it in cflags |
| 00:09.46 | azeem | +is |
| 00:09.51 | VulpesFoxnik | If your having a connection to the same machine you should use 127.0.0.1 |
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| 00:10.24 | CATLI_NL | hmmm, ok one minute please i will try |
| 00:10.25 | VulpesFoxnik | That allows the computer to loopback to localhost |
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| 00:11.02 | marl | but the line is the configure line isnt it? CFLAGS="$(CFLAGS)" ./configure --prefix=/opt/ross/usr |
| 00:11.08 | debian-newbie | any help with xfce4 cpufreq plugin? |
| 00:11.28 | pollywog | I can't compile a kernel anymore, when I do make config I get this: |
| 00:11.31 | pollywog | scripts/kconfig/mconf.c:91: error: static declaration of 'current_menu' follows non-static declaration |
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| 00:11.35 | CATLI_NL | how do i setup the loopback to localhost |
| 00:11.49 | CATLI_NL | i'll tried but it didn't work |
| 00:11.52 | VulpesFoxnik | debian-newbie: You should be able to able to rightlick on the bar and add the widjet |
| 00:12.12 | CATLI_NL | you can look at my homepage if you wish |
| 00:12.15 | suryam | please.. can someone help me restore beeping? |
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| 00:12.31 | VulpesFoxnik | CATLI_NL: I'm not completely sure what your trying to do |
| 00:12.37 | pollywog | scripts/kconfig/mconf.c:91: error: static declaration of 'current_menu' follows non-static declaration |
| 00:12.45 | pollywog | might that be a compiler error? |
| 00:12.55 | CATLI_NL | i wrote it in your private |
| 00:13.08 | CATLI_NL | you can look |
| 00:13.26 | VulpesFoxnik | CATLI_NL: I just know if you want to connect to your own machine your use LOCALHOST or |
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| 00:13.30 | VulpesFoxnik | 127.0.0.1 |
| 00:13.39 | suryam | ... am i invisible? |
| 00:13.41 | VulpesFoxnik | And I don't see your om |
| 00:14.05 | VulpesFoxnik | suryam: no |
| 00:14.13 | suryam | thanks |
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| 00:15.28 | marl | azeem, any more pointers? |
| 00:15.56 | azeem | marl: no |
| 00:16.17 | marl | ok thanks, any ideas were i might get more help? |
| 00:16.18 | debian-newbie | thanks VulperFoxnik ! it worked! |
| 00:16.49 | marl | im sure it must be down to the fakeroot stuff, cus it works fine outside of the debuild scripts |
| 00:16.52 | CATLI_NL | ok vulpesfoxnik, can you maybe tell me of there is a configuration file, to listen port 8080, or does apache listen to that port automaticly |
| 00:17.23 | azeem | marl: figure out how debian/rules calls conigure and repülace/add your --prefix option to that |
| 00:17.29 | azeem | configure, even |
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| 00:18.19 | marl | ok the only cofigure line is : CFLAGS="$(CFLAGS)" ./configure --prefix=/opt/ross/usr |
| 00:18.32 | Hessophanes | pollywog: Isn't there a second error line stating where the previous declaration was found? |
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| 00:18.51 | debian-newbie | now it says CPUFreq support not present |
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| 00:19.03 | marl | thats the one inserted when u tell debuild to set its self up and create the debian folder, with just he --prefix part added |
| 00:19.31 | CATLI_NL | what is the problem that localhost don't work |
| 00:19.43 | CATLI_NL | is there a config file maybe??? |
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| 00:20.46 | goldenaura | hi. i have installed linux-image-2.6-k7 on my machine, apt say everything is ok, but in the menu.lst kernel2.6 does not appear |
| 00:21.24 | karma | I was trying to install webmin with apt-get but it kept failing. I downloaded the source and installed it that way, but now apt-get keeps telling me the webmin-core depends on webmin when I try to apt-get anything. How can I tell apt-get to forget about webmin... that it is installed and working? |
| 00:21.52 | goldenaura | and now when i do dpkg --purge --force-remove-essential linux-image-2.6-k7 it gives me an error when checking grub |
| 00:22.03 | goldenaura | any idea |
| 00:22.04 | azeem | marl: debuild doesn't set itself up, dh_make does that, maybe? |
| 00:22.05 | Hessophanes | !equivs |
| 00:22.05 | dpkg | somebody said equivs was a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also "usrlocal" |
| 00:22.12 | Hessophanes | karma: ^^^ |
| 00:22.44 | marl | azeem, sorry it was dh_make i used to set it up (was a coupl eof days ago now, been taring my hair out for a wee bit over this one LOL) |
| 00:22.57 | karma | ty |
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| 00:23.39 | goldenaura | my cpu is a AMD Athlon xp 1700+ i should use K7. Is there any problem using 686? |
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| 00:25.56 | pollywog | maybe it was not worth upgrading to testing, since I seem to have caused myself some problems |
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| 00:25.56 | karma | hmmm, for some reason I am getting dependencies messages, but usually it says do you want to install these... now it just says it is not going to be installed? |
| 00:26.29 | pollywog | {standard input}: Assembler messages: |
| 00:26.30 | pollywog | {standard input}:753: Error: suffix or operands invalid for `mov' |
| 00:27.00 | debian-newbie | xfce4 cpufreq plugin not working, CPUFreq support is not present, which package do I need to install? |
| 00:27.21 | azeem | debian-newbie: you probably needs the appropriate kernel module |
| 00:27.26 | azeem | or cpufreqd |
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| 00:27.44 | Hessophanes | pollywog: I remember that, it is somehow connected to binutils... |
| 00:27.52 | pollywog | Hessophanes: oic |
| 00:27.54 | pollywog | thanks |
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| 00:28.25 | fusch | hi, after a kernel-upgrade to 2.6.15 many gnome apps do not start. some gtk app do start but only a few. any ideas? |
| 00:28.52 | karma | http://pastebin.com/609935 |
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| 00:29.10 | debian-newbie | s..t.. doesn`t seem to work woth sparc cpu.. thanks anyways |
| 00:29.39 | azeem | fusch: try to start them from a terminal and see whether there is any error messages |
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| 00:30.00 | goldenaura | i think i made the mistake of trying to install linux-image2.6/k7 without initramfs-tools installed, but now after installing the initramfs-tools, when i try to install again the linux-image-2.6-k7 again it doesnt update my grub. Please need some help |
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| 00:30.35 | fusch | there are no error msg except one about accessibility which was there before |
| 00:30.38 | azeem | goldenaura: did you try dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-foo? |
| 00:30.45 | goldenaura | no |
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| 00:30.55 | goldenaura | azeem: will try that |
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| 00:31.29 | pollywog | Hessophanes: I wonder if trying a newer kernel-source package would fix that |
| 00:31.43 | Hessophanes | pollywog: Which kernel are you trying to compile? |
| 00:31.43 | pollywog | this is kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 00:31.44 | debian-newbie | does anyone know if ther is a vlc version on a debian server I dont know for sparc? |
| 00:31.58 | Nowak | how can i downgrade from unstable to testing ? |
| 00:32.06 | Hessophanes | pollywog: Hm, that was about the version where I got that error... |
| 00:32.07 | azeem | Nowak: you cannot |
| 00:32.10 | cheal | !tell Nowak about downgrade |
| 00:32.21 | pollywog | a reinstall? |
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| 00:32.35 | fusch | just tried to start eog. nothing happend for one or two minutes and then suddenly eog popped up. |
| 00:32.40 | pollywog | I might have to do a reinstall also |
| 00:32.51 | azeem | fusch: maybe a timeout while trying to get your hostname |
| 00:32.55 | pollywog | and then stay away from testing ;) |
| 00:33.00 | cheal | debian-newbie: how can we guess which debian servers you know? |
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| 00:33.32 | pollywog | where can I get a newer kernel than 2.6.8, kernel.org? |
| 00:33.36 | ma3x | hello |
| 00:33.37 | fusch | how can i test that? |
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| 00:33.42 | ma3x | is there any mencoder expert around? |
| 00:33.43 | azeem | fusch: check whether something like "127.0.0.1 localhost <your host name>" is in /etc/hosts |
| 00:33.46 | ma3x | I always get bad sound quality |
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| 00:33.54 | ma3x | I want to know what's going on |
| 00:33.58 | ma3x | azeem, can you help me? |
| 00:34.04 | azeem | ma3x: no |
| 00:34.04 | pollywog | ma3x: specify |
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| 00:34.12 | Hessophanes | pollywog: package linux-source-2.6.12 is in testing... |
| 00:34.12 | debian-newbie | well I use austrian mirror for packages |
| 00:34.16 | goldenaura | azeem: doesnt seem to work :( |
| 00:34.16 | karma | Hessophanes: can you take a look at http://pastebin.com/609935 adn see if you can tell me why I am getting the "Depends but it is not going to be installed" |
| 00:34.29 | pollywog | Hessophanes: thanks I will take another look |
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| 00:35.02 | ma3x | pollywog, I have raw file, when I mencode it, it gets good video, and very bad sound. I can send you 2 tracks: 1. 500 KBytes of the original track in mp3 and 2. after mencoder encoding (around 100 kbytes) |
| 00:35.04 | Hessophanes | karma: Is webmin-core currently installed? I thought it complained about webmin missing... what does 'apt-get -f install' say when you call it? |
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| 00:35.20 | Nowak | Hessophanes: 2.6.15 |
| 00:35.22 | fusch | this line is in my /etc/hosts |
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| 00:35.47 | Hessophanes | Nowak: You're right, even .15 is already in testing... |
| 00:35.53 | beardy | karma: Which version of Debian are you running? |
| 00:35.54 | fusch | when e.g. eog is already running i can start another app without any problem |
| 00:36.04 | karma | Hessophanes: yes, I installed from source. I will try the -f but I think I try that already.. brb |
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| 00:36.05 | pollywog | Hessophanes: well I don't want to get greedy ;) |
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| 00:36.14 | Hessophanes | ;) |
| 00:36.39 | ma3x | pollywog, got it? |
| 00:36.49 | pollywog | no it gets stuck |
| 00:36.56 | pollywog | maybe my firewall |
| 00:37.00 | ma3x | pollywog, hold I'm gonna up it |
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| 00:37.14 | Nowak | can i run deb installer from already running deb and install on other disk over ssh ? :D |
| 00:37.26 | |valinux|xbm-x| | does any one have wrt55ag install cd? |
| 00:37.37 | fusch | is there a way to get debug messages of gnome gtk programm while running in a terminal? |
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| 00:37.42 | dondelelcaro | Nowak: if you've got the disk available locally to the machine running Debian, yes. |
| 00:37.50 | goldenaura | azeem: when i try to remove the kernel the script returns an error exit status 128 |
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| 00:38.00 | Nowak | dondelelcaro: how ? |
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| 00:38.23 | azeem | goldenaura: sorry, no idea, I don't change around kernels often |
| 00:38.38 | dondelelcaro | Nowak: format the disk, partition it, mount it, run debootstrap, install packages, install grub, install kernel. remove disk, replace, boot, run debian. |
| 00:38.41 | ma3x | pollywog, here the first file: http://www2.sendthisfile.com/download/retrieve.jsp?t=45l1tGtghKRUtFJjpckAgOqp |
| 00:38.44 | pollywog | I do not see any kernels newer than 2.6.8 in testing |
| 00:38.48 | ma3x | pollywog, that's from the original |
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| 00:38.55 | goldenaura | the strange thing is that apt-get doesnt seem to be updating the grub file menu.lst |
| 00:39.01 | karma | Hessophanes: the -f brought up a message saying I was installing webmin that was not compatable with the configuration file, so it moved it and now I am back to the same errors I was getting when trying to apt-get install webmin |
| 00:39.26 | Nowak | dondelelcaro: eek, but i want that nice asking-what-to-do installer from cd ;) |
| 00:39.41 | beardy | karma: Why do you want webmin? |
| 00:39.51 | azeem | goldenaura: maybe run update-grub yourself? |
| 00:39.55 | azeem | dunno if that helps |
| 00:39.59 | ma3x | pollywog, now see after I encode with mencoder, I get this quality: http://www4.sendthisfile.com/download/retrieve.jsp?t=d8hWxyBdAEOhoyzLSNOb87kV |
| 00:40.06 | goldenaura | azeem: i have already tried that |
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| 00:40.17 | goldenaura | but it doesnt solve |
| 00:40.19 | Hessophanes | karma: What does it say now if you want to install equivs? |
| 00:40.27 | ma3x | hello anybody around to help me? |
| 00:40.37 | goldenaura | azeem: because apt-get says it has been installed, but there is nothing in the /boot |
| 00:40.37 | karma | beardy: I would like to try out virtualmin... it will allow my clients to manage their own accounts... email and users |
| 00:40.43 | wimpies | Does anybody know how to configure udev so that a usb flash pen always mounts on the same location ? |
| 00:41.05 | karma | Hessophanes: I will try that... thanks.. brb |
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| 00:42.03 | karma | Hessophanes: Here is the output from the -f http://pastebin.com/609950 |
| 00:42.14 | beardy | karma: What does 'cat /etc/debian_version' say? |
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| 00:43.40 | Red_Cloud | I am installing my APC UPS backup and need to ascertain the port to which my ups is connected. I have searched for the console command that will list the ports but cannot find the syntax. Could some kind soul that knows this command off the top of his head please assist an ignorant person? |
| 00:43.55 | Hessophanes | karma: Strange error. The webmin package should contain that file webmin-core complains about... |
| 00:44.24 | karma | beardy: 3.1 |
| 00:44.25 | Rawplayer | Red_Cloud: dmesg | grep tty |
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| 00:44.53 | Red_Cloud | Rawplayer, thanks very much |
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| 00:45.14 | pollywog | kernel-source-2.6.8 - Linux kernel source for version 2.6.8 |
| 00:45.17 | Hessophanes | pollywog: Note they're called "linux-source" instead of "kernel-source" after 2.6.8 ... |
| 00:45.22 | pollywog | that is the newest I see |
| 00:45.30 | pollywog | k thanks that was my next question |
| 00:45.34 | karma | Hessophanes: I hear ya... could not get around it so I went for the source and that was a snap |
| 00:45.39 | pollywog | as in "did they change the name" |
| 00:45.42 | ma3x | pollywog, where did you go? still willing to help me? |
| 00:45.46 | beardy | Red_Cloud: What kind of port? A serial port? Which one have you connected the UPS to? |
| 00:45.57 | pollywog | ma3x I could not see what you sent |
| 00:46.05 | ma3x | pollywog, file1: http://www2.sendthisfile.com/download/retrieve.jsp?t=45l1tGtghKRUtFJjpckAgOqp |
| 00:46.16 | karma | Hessophanes: equivs installed...along with about 8 other things... then it complained about webmin-core |
| 00:46.16 | beardy | Red_Cloud: As in, the first, second, third, and so on? |
| 00:46.17 | Red_Cloud | beardy, yes a serial port, not USB |
| 00:46.19 | ma3x | pollywog, file2: http://www4.sendthisfile.com/download/retrieve.jsp?t=d8hWxyBdAEOhoyzLSNOb87kV |
| 00:46.26 | Hessophanes | karma: Hmm, you could just touch that file and run dpkg --configure --pending... |
| 00:46.36 | Red_Cloud | beardy, yes tty? |
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| 00:46.40 | Hessophanes | karma: (quick and dirty solution ;) ) |
| 00:47.00 | pollywog | ma3x that site is denying access |
| 00:47.05 | beardy | Red_Cloud: Yes, but do you know which one? |
| 00:47.05 | pollywog | says too many downloads |
| 00:47.07 | debian-newbie | is there a own wikipedia for debian howto`s, an officical one? |
| 00:47.16 | karma | I tried to touch the file before and it then complained about another file... so i touched that one too and it stopped complaining but webmin would not run |
| 00:47.20 | streuner | wiki.d.o |
| 00:47.21 | Hessophanes | karma: But now that equiv is installed, you can create your own pseudo-webmin package and use your self-compiled webmin. |
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| 00:47.31 | Hessophanes | karma: Ah, I see... |
| 00:47.36 | Red_Cloud | beardy, that is what I am searching for the information concerning the tty |
| 00:47.51 | beardy | Red_Cloud: The serial port devices are called /dev/ttyS0 , ttyS1 and so on. |
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| 00:48.06 | paul__ | whats up |
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| 00:48.10 | Alexandre | olá |
| 00:48.16 | karma | Hessophanes: I will work on getting webmin back and then come back for tips on equivs |
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| 00:48.30 | karma | Hessophanes: thanks once again for the help :) |
| 00:48.36 | debian-newbie | thanks streuner |
| 00:48.40 | pollywog | ma3x that site is denying access |
| 00:48.41 | Hessophanes | karma: Ok... can't help you with equivs though, have never used it. ;) |
| 00:48.43 | pollywog | says too many downloads |
| 00:48.49 | karma | hehe |
| 00:48.50 | paul__ | Does anyone know where I can learn about different X Window Managers? |
| 00:48.53 | ma3x | pollywog, but did you get the 2nd file?! |
| 00:49.34 | DeadlySin3 | Right now i'm using IceWM but i'm not liking it very much |
| 00:49.43 | beardy | !tell DeadlySin3 -about window manager |
| 00:49.45 | pollywog | ma3x that site is denying access for both files |
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| 00:50.00 | Red_Cloud | bearcy, yes I am looking at tty, tty0, tty1, tty10........ttyrf, ttys0, ttySO,..... |
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| 00:50.22 | DeadlySin3 | nice, thanks |
| 00:50.34 | beardy | DeadlySin3: What dpkg said is some to choose from, also 'apt-cache search "window manager" | less' |
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| 00:50.50 | pingouin | i have troubles to 'erase' (rewrite on) dvd+RW with growisofs, the burner do it, but it's not readable after any help/clue on it ? |
| 00:51.24 | beardy | Red_Cloud: Listen to me, /dev/ttyS0 is the first serial port, /dev/ttyS1 the second, and so on. |
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| 00:52.01 | beardy | Red_Cloud: Which one do you think you have the UPS connected to? |
| 00:52.34 | beardy | Red_Cloud: You can try 'cat /dev/ttyS0' and see if you get any output that can indicate that that is the one it's connected to. |
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| 00:52.52 | ozgurgerilla | hi all |
| 00:53.33 | Red_Cloud | beardy, I really to not know. I was hoping that I could query through console and get the information. I will try the cat command and see if anything returns. Thanks. |
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| 00:54.08 | beardy | Red_Cloud: Which program are you planning to use to talk to/control the UPS? |
| 00:54.12 | Lemy | sorry , but is there a german channel ? |
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| 00:54.21 | Hessophanes | !de |
| 00:54.21 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 00:54.21 | beardy | !de |
| 00:54.37 | Lemy | :) danke |
| 00:54.42 | JaVaSan | how can i decompress rar files at linux? |
| 00:54.49 | streuner | bitte ;-) |
| 00:54.50 | beardy | !unrar-free |
| 00:54.50 | dpkg | i guess unrar-free is an unarchiver for .rar files that can't handle archives in the RAR 3.0 format, which is by far the most used RAR format (ask me about unrar for 3.0). in main unstable |
| 00:55.04 | streuner | unrar, rar e foo.rar |
| 00:55.21 | JaVaSan | !unrar-free |
| 00:55.21 | dpkg | rumour has it, unrar-free is an unarchiver for .rar files that can't handle archives in the RAR 3.0 format, which is by far the most used RAR format (ask me about unrar for 3.0). in main unstable |
| 00:55.26 | prem | hi |
| 00:55.26 | prem | i agree |
| 00:55.36 | Red_Cloud | beardy, I am installing acpupsd |
| 00:56.06 | beardy | Red_Cloud: Perhaps it can determine to which port it's connected, have you checked it out? |
| 00:56.47 | Red_Cloud | beardy, it does not have the capacity to determine. It must be configured prior to use. |
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| 00:57.36 | ForrestF | in a bash script how do i find out the fullpath+name to the script |
| 00:57.40 | dvs | DeadlySin3: go away, envy! ;-) |
| 00:57.51 | DeadlySin3 | :p |
| 00:57.53 | beardy | Red_Cloud: Anyway, is the machine standing up, a tower box, or laying on the side? The first serial port, /dev/ttyS0 is most likely the topmost one, or the leftmost one. |
| 00:58.41 | fusch | my problem with gnome apps is caused by esd. if i load it manually everything works |
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| 01:02.39 | godless | anyone from flanders want to be on tv ? /msg me (requirements: demonstrating wireless hacks and phishing for TV1) |
| 01:04.33 | asg | godless: ask someone on efnet or dalnet |
| 01:04.48 | godless | asg :) |
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| 01:05.13 | godless | any idea on what channel there ? |
| 01:05.24 | unstable | http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/collab-maint/ext-maint/wifi-radar/ |
| 01:05.28 | asg | godless: #hack and likely #wireless |
| 01:05.28 | unstable | How do I check that out? |
| 01:05.52 | asg | unstable: without looking, I expect subversion |
| 01:05.57 | godless | asg :) hehe ok enough with the stupid questions then :) |
| 01:06.28 | unstable | asg: I know, I've used subversion before...but it doesn't work |
| 01:06.39 | dvs | unstable: works for me. |
| 01:06.45 | unstable | svn co http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/collab-maint/ext-maint/wifi-rada |
| 01:06.46 | unstable | r |
| 01:06.49 | unstable | Is that what you type? |
| 01:07.05 | beardy | ForrestF: Thanks for your patience.. 'echo $0' |
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| 01:07.45 | asg | unstable: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/ (should cover all you subversion questions) |
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| 01:08.34 | unstable | asg: I just want the command to type to checkout wifi-radar |
| 01:08.56 | unstable | asg: You could have just told me the command and it would have used the same time for you to find that link. |
| 01:09.01 | Red_Cloud | beardy, it is a tower. the serial port is midway in the tower and farthest left |
| 01:10.08 | beardy | Red_Cloud: Did 'cat /dev/ttyS0' give you any output? |
| 01:10.58 | asg | unstable: I don't use subversion, though I know about it, so I'm not in a position to give you the *exact* command. I do know where the necessary information to solve your problem can be found and I pointed you to them. |
| 01:11.07 | Red_Cloud | beardy, none |
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| 01:11.22 | beardy | Red_Cloud: ttyS1 then? |
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| 01:12.07 | unstable | dvs: Do you know the command? |
| 01:12.27 | asg | unstable: #svn is another resource here on freenode |
| 01:12.58 | dvs | unstable: I never tried checking source code out of a foreign web site. |
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| 01:13.20 | Nowak | storage2:/etc/udev# mdadm --create /dev/md0 --chunk=256 --level=0 --raid-devices=3 /dev/sda /dev/sdb /dev/sdd |
| 01:13.23 | Nowak | mdadm: error opening /dev/md0: No such file or directory |
| 01:13.25 | Nowak | how to make it work with udev ? |
| 01:13.47 | Nowak | cause /dev/MAKEDEV md isnt helping |
| 01:13.51 | unstable | dvs: debian.org is a foreign website? |
| 01:14.14 | beardy | unstable: foreign? To whom? |
| 01:14.22 | dvs | unstable: I have a local repository. I've never tried to use it from a website. |
| 01:14.25 | Red_Cloud | beardy, the command given by Rawplayer or dmesg | grep tty gave me this info: serial8250: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A 00:05: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A |
| 01:14.30 | beardy | unstable: debian.org is translated into many languages. |
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| 01:15.30 | ozgurgerilla | hello |
| 01:15.31 | ozgurgerilla | everyone |
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| 01:15.47 | asg | !tell ozgurgerilla about enter |
| 01:16.20 | ozgurgerilla | asg: right thank you. |
| 01:16.22 | beardy | Red_Cloud: That only tells you what kind of serialport you have, but if it only gives you one, you probably only have one. How many serial ports does your box have? |
| 01:16.35 | asg | ozgurgerilla: you're welcome. Hello, by the way. |
| 01:17.49 | ozgurgerilla | I have a stupid problem. the cd has no problems because i've tried it in another computer and worked fine and my cd-rom can boot other cd's but not debian? |
| 01:17.53 | Red_Cloud | beardy, two serial and two SCSI |
| 01:17.58 | ozgurgerilla | what can cause this? |
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| 01:18.32 | beardy | Red_Cloud: Just try with /dev/ttyS0 in the UPS programs configuration.´, if you haven't already done that. |
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| 01:19.45 | Red_Cloud | bearcy, I am configuring as we speak. I will try the ttyS0 to begin. And if there is a snafu, I have narrow my alternative quite a bit. Thanks very much for your help |
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| 01:20.25 | ozgurgerilla | I have a stupid problem. the cd has no problems because i've tried it in another computer and worked fine and my cd-rom can boot other cd's but not debian? |
| 01:20.38 | beardy | Red_Cloud: You're welcome. If it doesn't work, either continue with ttyS1, or connect the UPS to the other port, and continue using ttyS0. |
| 01:20.39 | dvs | !tell ozgurgerilla -about repeat |
| 01:21.04 | asg | ozgurgerilla: does the cd boot in other computers? |
| 01:21.11 | ozgurgerilla | yes |
| 01:21.15 | nightsky | evening. my 30 minutes of using google to find out how to get the flags used to compile the packets put me here. does anyone have an easy answer to this? is it done with dpkg? |
| 01:21.32 | asg | nightsky: /msg dpkg debian/rules |
| 01:21.35 | beardy | ozgurgerilla: Is it a cd-rw disc? A rewritable disc? |
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| 01:21.51 | ozgurgerilla | its a dvd |
| 01:22.37 | beardy | ozgurgerilla: Is it a dvd-drive you have in this box that doesn't boot? |
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| 01:22.38 | ozgurgerilla | and it worked on my friends computer |
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| 01:23.34 | beardy | ozgurgerilla: Can your drive handle the type of disc this is? Some drives can't handle +r or -r media. |
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| 01:23.51 | ozgurgerilla | beardy: im in this paradox, the dvd-drive boots other cds and the CD boots in other computers |
| 01:24.05 | david___ | I just installed debian using the amd64 installer and everything works great except.... |
| 01:24.17 | asg | david___: #debian-amd64 |
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| 01:24.27 | ozgurgerilla | beardy: yes it can. because its a a DVD-R and the drive is DVD-rom |
| 01:24.28 | david___ | sorry |
| 01:24.31 | david___ | thanks |
| 01:24.42 | asg | david___: no worries. |
| 01:25.50 | beardy | ozgurgerilla: Some drives can still have problems with some discs, if it doesn't work, it doesn't work, try with another disc, burned in another burner. |
| 01:26.31 | ozgurgerilla | beardy: thanks. |
| 01:27.37 | beardy | ozgurgerilla: You're welcome. Or try a disc of another brand, one that you know your drive likes. |
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| 01:28.17 | beardy | ozgurgerilla: Also remember to burn at a low speed. |
| 01:29.13 | david___ | asg: this might be universal - on the 32 - which package has libX11.so.6 |
| 01:29.14 | ozgurgerilla | ok, one last question. when installing windows I have partitioned the HD into 4 can I still install ubuntu on one of the partitions? |
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| 01:29.33 | david___ | I tried google |
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| 01:29.53 | bertel | hmm how do i completely remove a raid array with mdadm? |
| 01:30.05 | bertel | could not find anything about it in man pages |
| 01:30.09 | d03boy | does anyone know why my system runs kind of slow? things like opening up firefox take about 5 or 6 seconds which kind of surprised me. |
| 01:30.14 | bluefox83 | anyone else having problems with broken sources? |
| 01:30.17 | Hessophanes | david___: If it's already installed, dpkg -S... otherwise use packages.debian.org |
| 01:30.23 | d03boy | and every once in a while xmms "pauses" |
| 01:30.58 | david___ | oh thats back up? I havent been there in a while. thanks |
| 01:31.00 | asg | david___: libX11-6 contains that library |
| 01:31.05 | d03boy | am I supposed to configure my kernel or something? |
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| 01:32.03 | david___ | that;s what I thought asg, I guess it is procces specifc. Thanks again |
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| 01:33.04 | asg | david___: I know that libX11.so.6 is provided by the libX11-6 package on sarge and sid. If you are running testing, things might be different. |
| 01:34.00 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: does the patch require compiling or just replace so object files or so? |
| 01:34.03 | david___ | 6.9.0.dfsg.1-4 |
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| 01:34.52 | d03boy | should I get rid of debian and get gentoo? |
| 01:35.12 | vars | how do i findout what my integrated graphics is? |
| 01:35.12 | deadcat | sure |
| 01:35.13 | beardy | d03boy: Think about where you are, and try to answer that question yourself. |
| 01:35.17 | bluefox83 | d03boy, that's your choice, but my personal oppinion..no |
| 01:35.23 | d03boy | hehe |
| 01:35.31 | asg | d03boy: or use a real BSD like OpenBSD |
| 01:35.33 | d03boy | well what might be causing stuff like firefox to load slow? |
| 01:35.36 | bluefox83 | *opinion |
| 01:35.47 | d03boy | and my fluxbox menus load slow too |
| 01:35.50 | vars | d03boy, why do you need to use geentoo? |
| 01:35.52 | deadcat | d03boy: firefox itself. |
| 01:35.59 | Hessophanes | vars: lspci might tell you |
| 01:36.13 | vars | Hessophanes, thanks |
| 01:36.15 | deadcat | d03boy: if you want to use gentoo. just use it and stop complaining |
| 01:36.19 | dvs | vars: lspci | grep VGA |
| 01:36.23 | d03boy | deadcat, i'm trying to get some help |
| 01:36.28 | bluefox83 | d03boy, be like me, make your homepage nothing, it speeds things up trimendously and you don't have to see some stupid webpage first thing |
| 01:36.34 | deadcat | d03boy: on what? we dont use gentoo |
| 01:36.51 | d03boy | deadcat, cool |
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| 01:37.20 | d03boy | bluefox83, what about things like my fluxbox menus? |
| 01:37.25 | d03boy | and xmms skipping |
| 01:37.41 | beardy | d03boy: Slow is a matter of opinion, and, firefox is a beast. Perhaps it digs through your cache when it starts up, or has to load libraries which isn't cached. If you think it starts slow, don't close it all the time. ;) |
| 01:37.43 | d03boy | i watch torsmo and it doesnt show any excessive cpu useage or anything |
| 01:37.44 | bluefox83 | actually, that sounds like your hard drive read/write time |
| 01:37.58 | david___ | d03boy: might be your video driver |
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| 01:38.08 | bluefox83 | DMI or some such thing..i get the same thing |
| 01:38.20 | d03boy | david___, thats what someone else told me.. but I dont really know what to do about it |
| 01:38.40 | david___ | what card? |
| 01:38.56 | d03boy | mm... the nvidia geforce fx 5600 I believe |
| 01:39.10 | bluefox83 | heh, i have the 5500 OC |
| 01:39.21 | david___ | I had the 5500 |
| 01:39.33 | d03boy | laptop by the way |
| 01:39.40 | david___ | it was slow using nv driver |
| 01:39.49 | david___ | install your kernel headers |
| 01:39.56 | d03boy | what are kernel headers? |
| 01:40.01 | devicenull | in /etc/network/interfaces .. how do I make a connection dhcp? on the system I'm using Icant really go into the manuals |
| 01:40.03 | bluefox83 | eh, i recompile my driver quite a bit..for some reason that tends to help |
| 01:40.16 | vars | hey i have a question, i use ubuntu so don't make fun of me. i am trying to get win200 working with vmplayer, i have it installed and everything, it seams i have to unistall my nvidia graphics card and install the drivers in order for windos to work, BTW the graphics card installed with about 17 keystrokes with apt-get it was flawless |
| 01:40.21 | david___ | unname -r |
| 01:40.24 | dvs | !pal vars |
| 01:40.28 | beardy | vars: /topic |
| 01:40.28 | david___ | uname -r |
| 01:40.30 | Ronin | vars: #ubuntu |
| 01:40.58 | deadcat | lets all make fun of him! |
| 01:41.10 | Dewi | vars: I'm in #ubuntu. It's not such a scary place |
| 01:41.15 | Dewi | vars: in fact it's less scary than here |
| 01:41.23 | caffei | deadcat, eats lives dogs. Oh wait, wrong target. |
| 01:41.25 | Dewi | vars: although less expert too, I think |
| 01:41.29 | Ronin | deadcat: why? its enough to run distro x and ask about it in channel set up for another lol |
| 01:41.30 | caffei | grr, stupid auto completion |
| 01:41.35 | david___ | in synaptic it is listed as linux-headers-xxxx (xxx = version number) |
| 01:41.43 | Ronin | did i just do lol? man i think i had enough beer for one night |
| 01:41.46 | Gnea | Dewi: this place is scary? |
| 01:41.49 | vars | yeah there ins't anyone there who knows, but if you have anyideas let me know |
| 01:42.00 | deadcat | Ronin: ? i dont care what he runs. i just said lets make fun of him. |
| 01:42.02 | Ronin | !theydontkonw |
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| 01:42.11 | Ronin | !theydontknow |
| 01:42.12 | d03boy | 2.6.11-1-686 |
| 01:42.13 | Ronin | bah |
| 01:42.28 | beardy | !they don't know |
| 01:42.28 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 01:42.32 | d03boy | david___, what good does that do me? |
| 01:42.34 | Ronin | heh spaces |
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| 01:42.40 | bluefox83 | whats error code (1) for dpkg? O.o |
| 01:42.41 | JohnFlux | Hey all |
| 01:42.46 | vars | Dewi, sometimes there help is great |
| 01:42.48 | david___ | you can install the nvdia driver |
| 01:42.50 | caffei | Dewi, it's all a matter of perspective; I was attacked in #ubuntu for wanting to do the "wrong thing." I came here and found a solution =P |
| 01:43.16 | d03boy | david___, is there a guide or something? otherwise I'd probably have to have you walk me through it all the way |
| 01:43.28 | vars | yeah you guys are alot less helpfull but more expert |
| 01:43.37 | vars | that's why i came her |
| 01:43.38 | bluefox83 | d03boy, are you using a debianised bsd ? |
| 01:43.48 | nvz | bluefox83: its not zero |
| 01:43.58 | vars | is gentoo based on anything? |
| 01:44.05 | dvs | !gentoo |
| 01:44.05 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm http://www.funroll-loops.org/ or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385 or rice rice rice rice, or ... |
| 01:44.06 | vars | aside from the linux kenal? |
| 01:44.07 | beardy | vars: Just go to #ubuntu. Debian is what is supported here, and you have now been told several times. |
| 01:44.18 | d03boy | bluefox83, im using debian testing |
| 01:44.25 | JohnFlux | I'm trying to get linux to boot on a mobile device. (I'm not a novice). anyone have any experience on getting linux to boot on new hardware? |
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| 01:44.43 | vars | beardy, youbet, and i am sorry |
| 01:45.13 | bluefox83 | d03boy, what kernel are you using? |
| 01:45.19 | d03boy | 2.6.11-1-686 |
| 01:45.42 | bluefox83 | ok, apt-get install linux-header-2.6.11-1-686 |
| 01:45.57 | Dewi | caffei: yeah. Well the secret to getting ubuntu help in this channel is knowing what stuff is likely to be applicable to both systems, and *not advertising the fact you're on ubuntu*. :D Note of course, I run both systems so this isn't something I do often... |
| 01:46.05 | dvs | bluefox83: It's still kernel-headers for 2.6.11 |
| 01:46.05 | beardy | JohnFlux: ##linux if it's not distribution specific, also google linux + <processor architecture> + <nameofdevice> |
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| 01:46.18 | dvs | bluefox83: actually 2.6.11 is no longer in testing. |
| 01:46.23 | bluefox83 | dvs, oooh |
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| 01:46.44 | dvs | !info kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686 etch |
| 01:46.54 | dvs | nope |
| 01:46.55 | bluefox83 | i'm on 2.6.12 myself >.> |
| 01:46.57 | d03boy | i recently upgraded from sarge to testing |
| 01:47.03 | d03boy | :X |
| 01:47.05 | JohnFlux | beardy: i googled but found nobody that has attempted to put linux on it ;) |
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| 01:47.30 | beardy | JohnFlux: It helps if you say what architecture the device is, and what the device actually is. |
| 01:47.38 | bluefox83 | JohnFlux, what mobile device you trying to put linux on? |
| 01:47.39 | beardy | !tell kaleo -about root |
| 01:47.45 | david___ | d03boy: just install the kernel header then run the installer |
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| 01:48.20 | JohnFlux | beardy: i386 celeron 233mhz. It's a mitsubishi XP M3071 |
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| 01:48.38 | bluefox83 | a whah? O.o |
| 01:48.43 | d03boy | david___, its not in the repositories or something |
| 01:48.45 | dvs | can you drive it? |
| 01:48.52 | d03boy | im slightly confused |
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| 01:48.59 | david___ | the headers are |
| 01:49.00 | JohnFlux | beardy: It has windows 98 at the moment |
| 01:49.13 | david___ | the driver is on the nvidia.com |
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| 01:49.20 | JohnFlux | beardy: I've download various kernels + initrd.gz files, and tried to boot them via loadlin |
| 01:49.23 | Dewi | david___: um |
| 01:49.26 | Dewi | david___: no |
| 01:49.36 | Dewi | david___: you'll get blasted for suggesting the use of the nvidia installer |
| 01:49.41 | Dewi | dpkg, nvidia installer |
| 01:49.41 | dpkg | methinks nvidia-installer is a clever cross-platform way of installing nvidia's proprietary drivers, which works fine on systems with stupid package managers (i.e. not so good with Debian). more specifically, prone to dying if any X or kernel related packages are upgraded or removed. see <nvidia-graphics-drivers>, or <nvidia one-liner> |
| 01:49.50 | Dewi | see? |
| 01:50.00 | Dewi | I've never done it but I suggest following that path, d03boy |
| 01:50.05 | d03boy | k |
| 01:50.07 | JohnFlux | beardy: the kernel always boots, but then fails saying that it cannot open the root device etc |
| 01:50.11 | d03boy | so first I nee dmy kernel headers |
| 01:50.20 | david___ | yep |
| 01:50.25 | david___ | easy as pie |
| 01:50.26 | JohnFlux | beardy: I suspect it's not recognising the IDE controller |
| 01:50.46 | d03boy | where do those headers go? i think i might have them already |
| 01:50.50 | d03boy | in /var or something |
| 01:51.08 | Dewi | d03boy: just msg dpkg and ask about 'nvidia-graphics-drivers' or 'nvidia one-liner'. That'll get you a properly debian-ised solution |
| 01:51.22 | bluefox83 | d03boy, if you have them, when you run the instaler it'll just keep going, if not it'll stop dead in it's tracks |
| 01:51.29 | d03boy | okie |
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| 01:52.18 | david___ | got to leave x first |
| 01:52.27 | bluefox83 | yeah, so? |
| 01:52.28 | Dewi | bluefox83: that's not the consensus in this channel |
| 01:52.34 | kronoz | bluefox: although it can do weird things with xorg's librarys |
| 01:52.46 | bluefox83 | kronoz, i'm not having any trouble ^_^ |
| 01:52.54 | Dewi | bluefox83: oh, I guess that means nothing can go wrong |
| 01:53.06 | bluefox83 | Dewi, no..something can always go wrong |
| 01:53.10 | d03boy | by the way, I did install the nvidia drivers at one point, probably with the .bin installation method |
| 01:53.15 | bluefox83 | but it's easy to fix when it does |
| 01:53.21 | Gnea | bluefox83: the debian way is easy too, and it's supported. |
| 01:53.24 | Dewi | bluefox83: why not just do it the debian way? |
| 01:53.45 | Dewi | bluefox83: then you don't get people sneering at you on irc channels for misleading the newbies |
| 01:53.49 | unix_infidel | anyone know any good chess servers for 3d chess or gnome-chess? |
| 01:53.50 | bluefox83 | Dewi, cus i haven't got a clue where to find the debian nv installer? |
| 01:54.03 | Dewi | bluefox83: ask the fucking bot or read what he says when I do? |
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| 01:54.04 | david___ | http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/ |
| 01:54.08 | nvz | !nvidia one-liner |
| 01:54.08 | dpkg | rumour has it, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 01:54.52 | bluefox83 | heh, that's a lot of stuff..i just kill X cd to the directory and run the installer |
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| 01:55.00 | bluefox83 | then restart |
| 01:55.01 | Dewi | anyway good luck guys, I'm off |
| 01:55.12 | nvz | bluefox83: everytime you upgrade... |
| 01:55.13 | Dewi | bluefox83: yeah, and fuck certain aspects of your system |
| 01:55.15 | bluefox83 | *restart X |
| 01:55.22 | nvz | bluefox83: debian method only has to be done once |
| 01:55.34 | petemc | bluefox83: thats bad advice, all things considered |
| 01:55.39 | Dewi | anyway... lurk time |
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| 01:56.05 | bluefox83 | yeah, well i'm just sharing what works for me :) |
| 01:56.14 | d03boy | so I should get out of x to do this? |
| 01:56.32 | bluefox83 | d03boy, follow what everyone here says... |
| 01:56.41 | bluefox83 | my way may not be that easy |
| 01:56.46 | d03boy | dont worry, I stopped listening to you a while ago :P |
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| 01:56.53 | bluefox83 | gee, thanks |
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| 01:57.14 | Gnea | bluefox83: look, just stop tryihn to hand off non-official debian support in an official debian channel, it's that simple |
| 01:57.38 | bluefox83 | Gnea, i just did stop...thanks |
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| 01:57.57 | Gnea | d03boy: if you upgraded the nvidia drivers, then you just need to restart X |
| 01:58.13 | beardy | !restartx |
| 01:58.13 | dpkg | i guess restartx is Don't reboot. Just restart X. Ctrl-Alt-Backspace if you are logged in. '/etc/init.d/?dm restart' if not, as root. (where ?dm can be xdm, kdm, gdm, wdm, other display manager) |
| 01:58.35 | d03boy | Gnea, well, I installed with the .bin before |
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| 01:58.42 | d03boy | do I need ot uninstall them or something? |
| 01:58.54 | Gnea | d03boy: hold up... |
| 01:59.01 | Gnea | d03boy: who told you to install the .bin? |
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| 01:59.06 | d03boy | I did it a LONG time ago |
| 01:59.09 | d03boy | months ago |
| 01:59.09 | Gnea | oh ok |
| 01:59.13 | david___ | so did I bluefox, but I will try the one installer next |
| 01:59.20 | Gnea | d03boy: have you installed the .deb yet? |
| 01:59.28 | d03boy | Gnea, no |
| 01:59.30 | david___ | one -liner |
| 01:59.30 | Gnea | good. |
| 01:59.40 | Gnea | uninstall the .bin first - yes, quit X beforehand |
| 01:59.45 | david___ | be fun to do it the right way |
| 01:59.58 | d03boy | k, let me hop on irc from a diff comp |
| 02:00.04 | Gnea | david___: 18:58 -!- bluefox83 [n=debianro@user-12hcsl0.cable.mindspring.com] has quit |
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| 02:01.39 | d03boy | alrighty, all set |
| 02:02.08 | d03boy | what is the proper way to kill x? |
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| 02:03.03 | beardy | d03boy: '/etc/init.d/?dm stop' , if you are using a display manager |
| 02:03.33 | d03boy | gdm, voila |
| 02:04.16 | d03boy | alrighty... as for uninstalling the .bin? |
| 02:04.29 | Gnea | run the .bin with the --help argument |
| 02:04.57 | deadcat | cls |
| 02:06.48 | beardy | !cls |
| 02:06.48 | dpkg | C:\ |
| 02:06.59 | d03boy | apparnetly I dont have the installer anymore |
| 02:07.15 | Gnea | what version did you install? |
| 02:07.22 | d03boy | no idea |
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| 02:07.32 | SiL3nTKiLL | DCC SEND 123456789012345 |
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| 02:07.55 | d03boy | hmm... I wonder why I didnt get killed... |
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| 02:08.35 | nvz | d03boy: always remember your towel |
| 02:08.43 | d03boy | lol |
| 02:08.50 | nvz | ;) |
| 02:09.18 | Gnea | d03boy: you don't have a netgear router? |
| 02:09.23 | d03boy | I do though... |
| 02:09.30 | d03boy | and I'm on port 6667 |
| 02:09.32 | d03boy | oh well.. |
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| 02:10.00 | lilo | okay, folks, you do need to pay attention |
| 02:10.12 | lilo | connect to freenode via server chat.freenode.net, port 8001 |
| 02:10.18 | lilo | not port 6667, not the default port |
| 02:10.31 | d03boy | i love you |
| 02:10.48 | Gnea | well screw paying attention :P |
| 02:10.53 | lilo | if you are not connected to anywhere port 6667 through your router, you should be fine |
| 02:11.04 | Gnea | i have a better idea. |
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| 02:11.34 | caffei | lilo, btw, why not enable SSL? Sure, it's not end-to-end, but you have to start somewhere :^) |
| 02:12.10 | beardy | lilo: Is that one being banned from the net? |
| 02:12.19 | lilo | caffei: at the moment I'm stuck working on new code, because nobody ever wants to scratch somebody else's itch until it's become their itch ;) |
| 02:12.28 | caffei | lilo, heh, np :) |
| 02:12.38 | lilo | beardy: already happened very soon after he dropped people here |
| 02:12.48 | Gnea | lilo: who's the jerk? the jerk caller or the one calling for change? |
| 02:12.49 | lilo | Gnea: ? |
| 02:13.00 | Gnea | lilo: that's right. |
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| 02:13.05 | |valinux|xbm-x| | i need help i have a webserver running on my ather pc on my router how i put the ip online so ppl can see it? |
| 02:13.20 | mutante | if you have flashplayer installed,better update it http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/security/security_zone/apsb06-03.html |
| 02:13.30 | lilo | Gnea: sorry, I misinterpreted....I assumed you were about to participate in that traditional geek ritual, the Blaming of the Innocent ;) |
| 02:13.38 | d03boy | |valinux|xbm-x|, you need to forward port 80 to the server machine |
| 02:13.43 | beardy | lilo: Ok. |
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| 02:14.22 | |valinux|xbm-x| | d03boy: on my router config? |
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| 02:14.36 | |valinux|xbm-x| | d03boy:but the ip changed? |
| 02:14.37 | Gnea | lilo: i'm a geek, but i'm not stupid ;) |
| 02:14.50 | lilo | Gnea: for the people who do it, it's just habit 8) |
| 02:15.01 | Gnea | lilo: and BTW, your entry on the 'ignore' function is a load of crap, just so you know :) |
| 02:15.14 | lilo | Gnea: I'm perfectly happy to disagree with you ;) |
| 02:15.20 | d03boy | |valinux|xbm-x|, set a static IP |
| 02:15.39 | nvz | I'm perfectly happy to ignore both of you an go somewhere else :P |
| 02:15.46 | tuv | how do i set uid on a file? |
| 02:16.00 | tuv | chmod o+s filename didn't work |
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| 02:16.14 | rvsjoen | chown |
| 02:16.15 | lilo | nvz: hehe, and yet you feel the need to *tell* us you're ignoring us :) |
| 02:16.32 | d03boy | grouop hug |
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| 02:16.36 | tuv | i need it set uid root |
| 02:17.01 | d03boy | dpkg, tell me how to uninstall the nvidia .bin you dolt! |
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| 02:17.20 | beardy | d03boy: have you tried --uninstall ...? |
| 02:17.23 | |valinux|xbm-x| | d03boy: so i need to change the DNS? for one ip? |
| 02:17.29 | lilo | Gnea: anyway, thanks for the heads-up, appreciated! |
| 02:17.38 | d03boy | beardy, I dont have the .bin |
| 02:17.52 | d03boy | |valinux|xbm-x|, maybe i'm misunderstanding your non-debian related question |
| 02:17.54 | |valinux|xbm-x| | d03boy: Static DNS 2:?? |
| 02:17.56 | Gnea | lilo: see, that's where you don't see the distinction: there aer 2 types of people to ignore: trollers and people who are just plain dumb, but are worth ignoring because they actually have decent goals they wish to accomplish. |
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| 02:18.02 | beardy | d03boy: IIRC any version of them can uninstall other versions. |
| 02:18.13 | d03boy | beardy, okie dokie then |
| 02:18.30 | lilo | Gnea: I'm sorry, I just didn't understand how that phrase applies.... "just plain dumb"....I understand the individual words, it's when you put them together in this context that I'm scratching my head :) |
| 02:18.58 | beardy | d03boy: But try to get one from about the time when you installed it, if you remember, in case something differs. |
| 02:19.14 | Gnea | lilo: that's because you're top-level irc administrator, not a distribution aide :) |
| 02:19.17 | d03boy | beardy, i'll just try the new one because im lazy |
| 02:19.18 | wols | lilo: you should idle here more often. you'd understand then :) |
| 02:19.27 | beardy | lilo: You need to spend more time here. |
| 02:19.46 | lilo | wols: I've been viewing channel messages here ever since Debian arrived here in 1997 ;) |
| 02:19.47 | nvz | o.O |
| 02:19.58 | Gnea | lilo: that dosn't mean you understand everything ;) |
| 02:19.59 | lilo | wols: I've seen the people, I just don't think the characterization is helpful ;) |
| 02:20.01 | Gnea | *doesn't |
| 02:20.12 | wols | lilo: but the most scary thing of them all is that the average IQ of a freenoder is usually higher than people on other networks |
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| 02:20.37 | lilo | okay, I've had my quota of l33t h4ck3r, I'm back to & |
| 02:20.38 | lilo | ;) |
| 02:20.48 | nvz | heh |
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| 02:21.05 | Gnea | lilo: dude, don't insult us ;) |
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| 02:21.20 | beardy | Red_Cloud: Hows it going? |
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| 02:21.29 | lilo | Gnea: just don't try to answer questions from people who frustrate you, it will improve your disposition so much 8) |
| 02:21.49 | wols | lilo: but then it wouldn't be #debian |
| 02:21.51 | d03boy | he turns himself into an ampersand |
| 02:21.53 | beardy | lilo: Stay a few hours, you'll learn. |
| 02:21.58 | Gnea | lilo: solved that problems ages ago, ciao :) |
| 02:22.34 | nvz | o.O |
| 02:22.51 | Red_Cloud | beardy, I have just set my BIOS to resume previous state upon power failure. I am now proceeding with my install |
| 02:23.15 | beardy | Red_Cloud: So you found out which port you had it connected to? |
| 02:23.19 | rdd169 | Hi all. I was wondering if this was the right place to ask a question about compiling a debian kernel? |
| 02:24.17 | wols | rdd169: probably |
| 02:24.49 | d03boy | The currently installed driver is: 'NVIDIA Accelerated Graphics Driver for Linux-x86' (version: 1.0-7174). |
| 02:24.57 | d03boy | still havent found the uninstall command though :P |
| 02:25.25 | rdd169 | Ok, here goes. the kernel compiles find, but when it comes to compiling the modules, I get can't find file. I have compiled alot of kernels, but I'm new to debian. :) |
| 02:25.29 | wols | d03boy: we usually call it apt-get remove :P |
| 02:25.31 | Huey | when i do 'nc -l 9000', i expect netcat to be listenening on port 9000, but when i then do 'netstat -nap | grep /nc', it appears to be listening on a random port (i.e. 32782). is this a problem with my kernel? |
| 02:25.33 | beardy | d03boy: --help doesn't tell you? What does it say about --uninstall then? |
| 02:25.44 | beardy | d03boy: If you try it I mean. |
| 02:25.49 | d03boy | ya i guess tha tworks |
| 02:25.53 | d03boy | i was looking through the help first :\ |
| 02:26.17 | d03boy | k its officially uninstalled, woo |
| 02:26.25 | MatBoy | Is it possible to rsync a NFS realtime with anotherone ? |
| 02:26.34 | beardy | !tell rdd169 -about kp |
| 02:27.06 | beardy | !tell rdd169 -about make-kpkg |
| 02:27.11 | beardy | rdd169: man make-kpkg |
| 02:27.26 | wols | rdd169: what error message? what file? do you use kernel-package? |
| 02:27.38 | wols | if not: you really should |
| 02:27.55 | justin | Huey: no, it's a problem with your incorrect use of netcat |
| 02:28.26 | dooglus | Huey: -p specifies the port, not -l |
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| 02:28.49 | rdd169 | beardy: When compile a kernel, I just make menuconfig, and then make bzImage && make modules_install. I"m not sure about this debian way thing. I like it simple :) |
| 02:30.04 | rdd169 | wols: No I wasn't using kernel-package. :( |
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| 02:30.14 | Red_Cloud | beardy as per ps fax I now have acpupsd running. I check Process Table (Ctl Esc) and it also shows acpupsd as running. So I guess that I am nearly there! |
| 02:30.24 | nvz | rdd169: debian way eliminates all those steps and is far more simple |
| 02:30.32 | Azar | hi Gnea how is going? |
| 02:30.45 | rvsjoen | rdd169: its been a while since I did it that way but dont you have to make modules, before making modules_install ? |
| 02:31.25 | beardy | rdd169: The Debian way is simpler, once you realize it. And it's much easier to keep track of the files, since the kernel gets installed in the packagesystem, and can therefore easily be removed when time comes. |
| 02:31.26 | nvz | rdd169: can patch, configure, compile, and package all in one line even separate packages for source, headers, image, and docs |
| 02:31.26 | rdd169 | nvz: Ok I'll give it ago. |
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| 02:31.36 | wols | rdd169: it's easy. instead of "make bzImage", you use kernel-package |
| 02:31.42 | Huey | dooglus: ah, thanks |
| 02:31.46 | wols | and as a reward you get a nice installable deb |
| 02:31.48 | rdd169 | rvsjoen: Yes, that makes the modules,and installs them, |
| 02:31.58 | d03boy | Build of the package nvidia-kernel-source failed! |
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| 02:32.00 | d03boy | eek |
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| 02:32.02 | dooglus | Huey: there's a manual page you can read if you type "man nc" |
| 02:32.06 | bbelt16ag | hello? |
| 02:32.07 | beardy | rdd169: Or, not simpler, but easier and nicer. |
| 02:32.15 | bbelt16ag | i got some problems |
| 02:32.27 | Azar | me too |
| 02:32.30 | bbelt16ag | i just installed debian on my apple pc powerpc arch, |
| 02:32.40 | bbelt16ag | and i mis configured the video card |
| 02:32.43 | rdd169 | Thanks everyone, I'll use the packge thing, sure beats a monolicthic monster kernel. :) |
| 02:32.49 | beardy | !drxx bbelt16ag |
| 02:32.49 | dpkg | bbelt16ag: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 02:32.50 | bbelt16ag | is there a way to get backinto the setup to fix the setting?> |
| 02:32.51 | nvz | rdd169: make-kpkg --rootcmd=fakeroot --config=menuconfig buildpackage, for example will build using fakeroot as your user and run menuconfig for you, then build you 4 debs for source, docs, kernel, and headers. |
| 02:33.07 | d03boy | dh_clean: Sorry, but 4 is the highest compatibility level of debhelper currently supported <--- anyone know what this means when trying to do the nvidia installation? |
| 02:33.12 | bbelt16ag | dpkg are you a bot? |
| 02:33.19 | beardy | !what are you |
| 02:33.19 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 02:33.43 | Gnea | !ppc |
| 02:33.43 | dpkg | ppc is, like, is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc and/or #debian-ppc |
| 02:33.49 | rdd169 | nvz: thanks. I using just su to root when building the kernel. Why would I want to use fakeroot? |
| 02:34.10 | ARCANGEL18 | hola! |
| 02:34.15 | Azar | that's how they call mac/apple now? powerpc? |
| 02:34.41 | nvz | rdd169: you should always avoid being root especially when compiling or running unknown software. a dot in the wrong place in a auto file could rm -rf your whole system |
| 02:34.43 | d03boy | When I run "m-a a-i nvidia" it does some stuff then finally results in an error. The error doesnt make any sense to me though |
| 02:34.49 | Gnea | Azar: he said it's a power pc... |
| 02:34.52 | nvz | rdd169: but not if you are an unprivlaged user |
| 02:35.06 | Azar | Gnea: yes, also he mentioned something about mac.. |
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| 02:35.22 | Gnea | Azar: he said apple, not mac... |
| 02:35.30 | bbelt16ag | its an APPLE |
| 02:35.31 | rdd169 | nvz: Thanks I'll give it ago. ah so much to learn, and thanks for the help. |
| 02:35.42 | Azar | ah apple power pc... good to know |
| 02:35.48 | wols | d03boy: we're not psychic. unless you tell us the error, no one can help you |
| 02:35.54 | bbelt16ag | ok |
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| 02:35.56 | Gnea | bbelt16ag: anyway, #debianppc or #debian-ppc |
| 02:36.00 | justin | bbelt16ag: no, it's a mac, made by a company called apple |
| 02:36.01 | bbelt16ag | something of bios 5 |
| 02:36.03 | ARCANGEL18 | how wants to chat? |
| 02:36.06 | bbelt16ag | bios V |
| 02:36.09 | bbelt16ag | cant find symbols? |
| 02:36.13 | nvz | rdd169: fakeroot is fine, because it allows you to create files owned by root to put into the debs you make, but you dont actually become root nor do you need to |
| 02:36.13 | Azar | :) it is getting interesting |
| 02:36.34 | dooglus | I've just had 'rm' hang in sid, using 100% of my CPU. is that possible? a bug in /bin/rm??? |
| 02:36.51 | Gnea | dooglus: probably not in 'rm', but in something else |
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| 02:37.25 | beardy | ARCANGEL18: This is not a chatchannel. "/msg chanserv help list" and perhaps you can find one. |
| 02:37.29 | dooglus | Gnea: rm doesn't fork anything else I don't think |
| 02:37.52 | Gnea | dooglus: but it's not exactly a static binary |
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| 02:38.04 | caffei | dooglus, maybe a kernel bug? check dmesg for an oops |
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| 02:39.31 | dooglus | there's nothing much in dmesgg |
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| 02:40.55 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: no compiling, you just install and restart apache-gallery |
| 02:41.06 | |valinux|xbm-x| | anyone here knows something about router? |
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| 02:41.16 | caffei | well, I've had command line apps, especially disk-related ones hang indefinitely before... and the problem usually turns out to be kernel-related (when I'm using 2.6.X-rcY-mmZ, usually ;^) |
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| 02:41.22 | d03boy | module-assistant is failing when I'm installing the nvidia stuff. I cant figure out whats wrong though. The log doesnt make much sense to me. |
| 02:41.37 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: in fact, the version in unstable may already have it... you may just need to enable PerlSetVar GalleryUnderscoresToSpaces '1' |
| 02:41.37 | ootput | hi guys, i'm trying to get used to emacs. I've got a couple of questions: besides specifying 'emacs -nw' for non-X interface, is there anyway to do this in .emacs? |
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| 02:42.05 | dondelelcaro | ootput: no, because .emacs gets parsed after emacs has started starting up |
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| 02:42.24 | quellhorst | what directories should i exclude when doing a remote backup via rsync... like proc, tmp, mnt. etc |
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| 02:42.40 | beardy | |valinux|xbm-x|: Just ask and you'll see. |
| 02:42.48 | ootput | dondelelcaro: when does .Xdefaults get sourced? |
| 02:43.24 | dondelelcaro | ootput: that's generally used to set up your xrdb iirc; so that happens way early. What are you trying to do? |
| 02:43.45 | d03boy | if anyone wants to help me with this nvidia installation, feel free! |
| 02:44.04 | ootput | dondelelcaro: get rid of the menubar, scrollbar, and anyother bars |
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| 02:44.14 | |valinux|xbm-x| | i have a webserver running on my laptop ok its connected to the router how i put the ip online so ppl can see it? |
| 02:44.57 | Red_Cloud | beardy, As per apcaccess status the apcupsd is running, recognized my ups and cable, and is configured. I am about to pull the plug and see if it works. Thanks for your help |
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| 02:45.07 | wols | |valinux|xbm-x|: portforwarding port80 on the router |
| 02:45.09 | d03boy | |valinux|xbm-x|, the router has the IP of your house. There are two types of IP addresses in your situation. WLAN and LAN. WLAN is the IP of your router that your ISP gives you. LAN is the IP that each of your computers has that your router gives it. |
| 02:45.40 | dondelelcaro | ootput: those you can ditch in your .emacs and still use an X window for it |
| 02:45.53 | d03boy | |valinux|xbm-x|, you need to find the IP address of your server (it will be 192.168.0.x probably). Then forward port 80 to that IP address. |
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| 02:46.37 | djpowder | is there a torrent to download etch beta 2 netinstall? My download keeps freezing when downloading iso from the server. :( |
| 02:46.54 | beardy | Red_Cloud: You're welcome. Sounds good, good luck. |
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| 02:48.26 | ootput | dondelelcaro: do you prefer console than a gui? |
| 02:48.41 | justin | djpowder: how is bittorrent going to fix your network connection? |
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| 02:49.14 | carlose | hi, I cant start debian in 2.6.15.6 kernel, say "unable to handle kernel paging request..." after "agpgart: detected xx stolen memory", I have ati x550 video card, anyone know plis? |
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| 02:49.38 | djpowder | justin: a simple "no" would have sufficed ;) |
| 02:49.58 | justin | djpowder: that wasn't a no :-P |
| 02:50.18 | justin | djpowder: it was a "if you can't download an iso using http, you won't be able to using bittorrent either" |
| 02:50.23 | nvz | ootput: as you gain comfort with the pc you find that typing becomes almost second nature and this requires use of both hands. so its easier especially for things that are mostly text oriented anyhow just to use a terminal instead of pointing and clicking around. |
| 02:50.40 | smbdy | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:51.01 | ootput | nvz: i agree completely |
| 02:51.34 | djpowder | smbdy: thanks i'll try that |
| 02:52.04 | nvz | ootput: only time I find the mouse of more than a bother is when I am feeling lazy and got my feet up on the desk.. then I just wish I could grunt at everthing |
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| 02:52.19 | nvz | ootput: if I still had a wireless keyboard it wouldnt make a difference |
| 02:52.31 | |valinux|xbm-x| | any one know if i forward the ip address to 80 have something to do with DNS address? |
| 02:52.37 | caffei | is it possible to have one app running on two X displays at the same time? |
| 02:52.59 | wols | vasudeva: no |
| 02:53.14 | nvz | caffei: the same instance of that application or separate? |
| 02:53.17 | wols | |valinux|xbm-x|: I meant |
| 02:53.21 | caffei | nvz, same instance |
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| 02:53.31 | nvz | caffei: RFB? |
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| 02:53.51 | caffei | nvz, hrm, I'll check into that |
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| 02:53.56 | nvz | I cant imagine why either |
| 02:54.03 | nvz | dpkg, rfb |
| 02:54.03 | dpkg | well, rfb is Remote FrameBuffer, A simple protocol for sending graphics to be displayed on a remote display. |
| 02:54.25 | caffei | nvz, that should work. thanks :) |
| 02:54.50 | ootput | nvz: ahah, 'grunting.' |
| 02:55.01 | beardy | caffei: Or vnc. |
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| 02:55.20 | caffei | beardy, that wouldn't work for my purposes, though |
| 02:55.30 | dooglus | ootput: you can get rid of the menu and scroll bars without losing the gui toolkit altogether |
| 02:55.39 | nvz | yeah I dont mind telling my computer what's on my mind with words. I find it easier. especially with things like tab-completion |
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| 02:56.33 | caffei | hm, rfb may not work either... what I want to do is be able to access the same instance of xqf on two displays, so that I can check game servers on :0 while a game launched by xqf is running fullscreen on :1. |
| 02:56.53 | caffei | maybe I'll just have to settle for a separate instance though |
| 02:57.10 | dooglus | ootput: look at variables called scroll-bar-mode and menu-bar-mode |
| 02:57.17 | ootput | dooglus: cheers |
| 02:57.19 | nvz | wtf is xqf and whats its relationship with the xserver? |
| 02:57.26 | ootput | bbl |
| 02:57.39 | |valinux|xbm-x| | to forward ip address on my router is it on Internet Setup |
| 02:57.39 | |valinux|xbm-x| | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:57.39 | |valinux|xbm-x| | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:57.39 | |valinux|xbm-x| | |
| 02:57.39 | |valinux|xbm-x| | Internet Connection Type |
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| 02:57.59 | |valinux|xbm-x| | oops sorry |
| 02:58.01 | Gnea | !netgear |
| 02:58.01 | dpkg | rumour has it, netgear is if you've got a Netgear WGR614vX or WGR624vX router, then you probably have a security hole. To fix it, turn off Stateful Packet Inspection (SPI) in the firewall settings. Further, connecting to irc.freenode.net on port 8001 instead of port 6667 will prevent disconnection as well: /server irc.freenode.net 8001 Details can be found here: http://tinyurl.com/hsmsh and here: http://tinyurl.com/faxo7 |
| 02:58.52 | |valinux|xbm-x| | to forward my router ip i Internet Setup |
| 02:58.53 | |valinux|xbm-x| | |
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| 02:59.18 | d03boy | |valinux|xbm-x|, you have aboslutely no idea what you're doing, do you? |
| 02:59.42 | djpowder | iso downloaded ok this time. thanks guys. |
| 03:00.19 | nvz | caffei: sounds to me like you want to view the logs of a game server on another screen maybe? |
| 03:00.30 | |valinux|xbm-x| | d03boy: i have no idea how my router works i only know about servers |
| 03:00.33 | dondelelcaro | |valinux|xbm-x|: don't paste here at all, please. |
| 03:00.55 | caffei | nvz, nope, I want to actually be able to refresh and use xqf while a game launched by it is running fullscreen :) |
| 03:01.16 | nvz | caffei: xinerama wont let you do that? |
| 03:01.23 | caffei | nvz, only one monitor |
| 03:01.34 | nvz | eh? |
| 03:01.40 | nvz | heh |
| 03:01.55 | caffei | two X displays, :0 and :1 (Ctrl-Alt-F7, Ctrl-Alt-F8, respectively), but one monitor |
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| 03:02.18 | d03boy | who can help me get through this nvidia installation crap? |
| 03:02.22 | nvz | you cannot just exit fullscreen mode instead of running two displays on one monitor? |
| 03:03.02 | caffei | nvz, alt-enter takes a while with some games (e.g. idQ3, enemy territory) and is totally broken with some others (e.g. ut2004)... so I have to hack around bad apps with two X servers =P |
| 03:03.12 | Azar | d03boy: do not install nvidia from the nvidia site, ask dpkg in private: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 03:03.14 | nvz | heh |
| 03:03.41 | d03boy | Azar, i am doing the dpkg way. It's not working. I need help |
| 03:04.02 | caffei | nvz, I'll probably end up running xqf on :0 and having the game launch scripts start the games on :1... kinda ugly, though. |
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| 03:04.27 | Azar | d03boy: in order to have apt-get install nvidia for you , you need to modify /etc/apt/sources so all the sources will end with non-free contrib |
| 03:04.47 | d03boy | did that already |
| 03:04.50 | Azar | ... because nvidia is not free |
| 03:05.02 | Azar | d03boy: so what is not working? it worked for me |
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| 03:05.17 | nvz | caffei: I am not understanding that. reguardless of how you switch virtual terminals or tell the app to goto window mode or whatever its still doing the same screen mode change. and the matter of if it works or not with that key combo could depend on how the game traps keyboard input. |
| 03:05.39 | d03boy | Azar, this command starts building the kernel but ends up failing with an error that I do not understand ... m-a a-i nvidia |
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| 03:05.46 | wireddd | d03boy, did you do drxx? |
| 03:06.01 | wireddd | oh |
| 03:06.03 | d03boy | wireddd, no i'm just following the guide |
| 03:06.04 | caffei | nvz, er, actually I can be running a game fullscreen on :1, and then hit c-a-f7 to switch to :0 pretty much immediately (much faster than using alt-enter, if the proprietary app even supports it properly) |
| 03:06.13 | Azar | d03boy: hi I am Azar, using Debian Sarge (the stable distro) with a 2.6.8 precompiled kernel and with good working nvidia driver thanks to apt-get |
| 03:06.35 | Azar | !nvidia one-liner |
| 03:06.35 | dpkg | methinks nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 03:06.44 | Azar | hmmm yes the command is there |
| 03:06.58 | Azar | d03boy: do you have what I have? |
| 03:06.59 | d03boy | there is an error log, but it doesnt say much in english |
| 03:07.15 | d03boy | Azar, i have a different kernel that I believe might be custom |
| 03:07.30 | Jimz | is there a way to find everything about an interface? (like ifconfig but something that shows dns server, default gateway etc) |
| 03:07.31 | Azar | d03boy: then that why it does not work for you: you do not have what I have |
| 03:07.34 | d03boy | 2.6.11-1-686 |
| 03:07.50 | Azar | ah... I see.... I have no idea how to help then |
| 03:08.04 | wols | Jimz: rote |
| 03:08.05 | wireddd | why don't you use a newer kernel? |
| 03:08.08 | wols | route |
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| 03:08.19 | d03boy | wireddd, because I really dont know what I'm doing. |
| 03:08.28 | d03boy | wireddd, I built that kernel a while ago to get 686 support |
| 03:08.48 | wireddd | there are stock debian kernels with 686 support |
| 03:09.02 | wireddd | and precompiled nvidia modules |
| 03:09.03 | d03boy | wireddd, well someone probably helped me do the wrong thing then |
| 03:09.43 | d03boy | wireddd, I could update my kernel right now if I knew how.. |
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| 03:09.51 | d03boy | that is, if I knew the proper way |
| 03:09.55 | wireddd | let me see which kernels are in stable |
| 03:10.00 | dondelelcaro | I'm going to be removing a slate of bans shortly; /ignore #debian MODES is strongly recommended |
| 03:10.37 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 03:11.03 | dondelelcaro | unbanning begins |
| 03:11.06 | *** mode/#debian [-bbb *!*@83.149.40.136 *!*@84.228.44.112 *!*@host226-162.pool8256.interbusiness.it] by dondelelcaro |
| 03:11.06 | *** mode/#debian [-bbb *!*@cable200-116-221-7.epm.net.co *!*@toronto-HSE-ppp4057491.sympatico.ca *!*@dhcp-0-4-75-dd-9c-1b.cpe.quickclic.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 03:11.09 | *** mode/#debian [-bbb *!*@host221-126.pool8290.interbusiness.it *!*@host114-116.pool8290.interbusiness.it *!*@193.1.100.8] by dondelelcaro |
| 03:11.12 | *** mode/#debian [-bbb *!*@d141-189-121.home.cgocable.net *!*@d207-81-226-24.bchsia.telus.net *!*@82.207.56.40] by dondelelcaro |
| 03:11.15 | *** mode/#debian [-bbb *!*@200-127-192-207.cab.prima.net.ar *!*@mail.hotserver.ch *!*@85.8.131.49] by dondelelcaro |
| 03:11.18 | *** mode/#debian [-bbb *!*@ool-45789464.dyn.optonline.net *!*@82-34-139-53.cable.ubr03.gray.blueyonder.co.uk *!*@cpe-66-67-100-79.rochester.res.rr.com] by dondelelcaro |
| 03:11.21 | *** mode/#debian [-bbb *!*@65.115.151.6 *!*@p54AF1460.dip0.t-ipconnect.de *!*@p5497D21E.dip.t-dialin.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 03:11.24 | *** mode/#debian [-bbb *!*@bull1.hereno.info *!*@resnet-147118.resnet.bris.ac.uk *!*@201.24.176.26] by dondelelcaro |
| 03:11.26 | *** mode/#debian [-bbb *!*@s559230dd.adsl.wanadoo.nl *!*@85.102.152.7 *!*@pool-138-89-150-131.mad.east.verizon.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 03:11.29 | *** mode/#debian [-bbb *!*@24-217-227-105.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com *!*@cpe-68-206-92-39.sport.res.rr.com *!*@7-189-254-84.skylogicnet.it] by dondelelcaro |
| 03:11.33 | *** mode/#debian [-bbb *!*@200.193.18.140 *!*@cable-201-12-185-243.rec.megazon.com.br *!*@ACC9F9D5.ipt.aol.com] by dondelelcaro |
| 03:11.36 | *** mode/#debian [-bbb *!*@ap-62-137.gprs.kyivstar.net *!*@ip70-162-10-156.ph.ph.cox.net *!*@ip24-255-122-105.dc.dc.cox.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 03:11.39 | *** mode/#debian [-bbb *!*@Sia.AnimeNfo.com *!*@201.209.132.142 *!*@86.57.170.51] by dondelelcaro |
| 03:11.41 | *** mode/#debian [-bbb *!*@62.48.119.130 *!*@ip68-102-127-74.ks.ok.cox.net *!*@pa90.szczecin.cvx.ppp.tpnet.pl] by dondelelcaro |
| 03:11.44 | *** mode/#debian [-bbb *!*@168.187.92.25 *!*@evvlinlwt-nas-07-s297.cinergycom.net *!*@nc1mrqtmi.mrqt.mi.charter.com] by dondelelcaro |
| 03:11.47 | *** mode/#debian [-bbb *!*@adsl-70-240-114-130.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net *!*@213.185.118.130 *!*@d150-45-3.home.cgocable.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 03:11.50 | *** mode/#debian [-bbb %*!*@83.149.40.136 %*!*@Toronto-HSE-ppp3717030.sympatico.ca %*!*@dyn-bway-129-167.dyn.columbia.edu] by dondelelcaro |
| 03:11.53 | *** mode/#debian [-bbb %*!*@24.137.181.195 %*!*@h92n1fls32o823.telia.com %*!*@adsl.redpoint.org.uk] by dondelelcaro |
| 03:11.56 | *** mode/#debian [-bb %*!*@222.124.225.220 %*!*@h81172149054.kund.kommunicera.umea.se] by dondelelcaro |
| 03:11.56 | nvz | I almost wish I had not done that so I can see about how many bans are on a "slate" :P |
| 03:12.06 | Rawplayer | :| |
| 03:12.16 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 03:12.30 | dondelelcaro | just 19 lines of bans, nothing too terribly exciting |
| 03:12.48 | JORDEN | WHAT DO MINE |
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| 03:13.03 | nvz | man, I seen more flood than that from the gnaa this weekend |
| 03:13.09 | caffei | dude, someone kick dondelelcaro for spamming the channel ;^) |
| 03:13.16 | nvz | thats hardly worth mentioning :P |
| 03:13.16 | Gnea | lol |
| 03:13.26 | Azar | amazing how only by learning a little programming helps me at work |
| 03:13.27 | wireddd | dondelelcaro, that looked like more than 19 to me |
| 03:13.44 | ayrnieu | azar - how has it helped you? |
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| 03:14.01 | Azar | see the math in a different way ayrnieu |
| 03:14.48 | dondelelcaro | wireddd: ~19 lines, closer to 566 bans... |
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| 03:15.54 | Azar | it might sound weird but since I first installed Debian and learned the little I know, I am doing way better at work, my mind works better |
| 03:15.58 | d03boy | wireddd, any luck with the kernel info? |
| 03:16.01 | JORDEN | DONT YOU PEOPLE SPEAK SPANISH |
| 03:16.09 | Azar | !es |
| 03:16.09 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 03:16.11 | d03boy | JORDEN, shut up |
| 03:16.22 | Gnea | !es |
| 03:16.22 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 03:16.27 | Gnea | JORDEN: hell no |
| 03:16.49 | ayrnieu | gnea - hell no? Why such strong anti-spanish sentiment? |
| 03:16.50 | nvz | Azar: its called using that thing on your neck, for something other than a hat rack. It's ok. thinking its not as bad as people make it out to be |
| 03:17.03 | Gnea | ayrnieu: it's not anti-spanish. |
| 03:17.11 | Gnea | i just don't speak it! |
| 03:17.12 | JORDEN | SHUT ME UP |
| 03:17.14 | Gnea | idiot. |
| 03:17.17 | Azar | nvz :) yes indeed |
| 03:17.30 | wireddd | d03boy, well the only kernel-module you can get for stable seems to be for 2.4.27 |
| 03:17.40 | d03boy | wireddd, im running testing |
| 03:17.41 | nvz | Azar: http://www.ecotopia.com/webpress/stupidity |
| 03:17.43 | wireddd | oh |
| 03:18.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 716] by debhelper |
| 03:18.38 | wireddd | ok let me get the package names for you then |
| 03:18.40 | JORDEN | WELL IDO |
| 03:18.48 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 03:18.48 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@66.128.44.165] by dondelelcaro |
| 03:18.48 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 03:19.03 | nvz | there goes that slate |
| 03:19.25 | d03boy | wireddd, 2.6.15 is in stable |
| 03:20.12 | Jimz | wols: route on seems to show me the gateway, is there a way i can find the dns server address? |
| 03:20.36 | wols | cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 03:20.40 | Jimz | well, the problem is that hostnames on my lan arent being resolved by the debian box, but are resolved fine by a windows one |
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| 03:21.23 | Azar | nvz good one: did you know that students with brilliant, original ideas are the most oppressed by the teachers? because some teachers are so stupid to think that the student who do not follow his teachings is a rebel |
| 03:21.29 | wols | put your LAN names in /etc/hosts. run dnsmasq on the linux box and point the windows boxes to dnsmasq for DNS |
| 03:21.46 | wireddd | apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.15-1-686 nvidia-kernel-2.6.15-1-686 nvidia-glx |
| 03:22.12 | Supaplex | and keep 127.0.0.1 out of /etc/hosts on the dnsmasq box :P |
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| 03:22.17 | wireddd | d03boy, install those packages and then and reconfigure x |
| 03:22.21 | Supaplex | I mean /etc/resolve.conf |
| 03:22.31 | nvz | Azar: teachers are neither above nor beyond stupidity |
| 03:22.37 | wols | Supaplex: why? |
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| 03:22.52 | nvz | Azar: stupidity is an indiscriminat privlage of man |
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| 03:23.03 | d03boy | wireddd, cant find that kernel |
| 03:23.09 | wireddd | d03boy, you are going to have to restart to load the new kernel after you apt-get everything |
| 03:23.17 | nvz | heh , mispelling there that word got corrupted |
| 03:23.20 | d03boy | i'm ssh'ing through putty anyway |
| 03:23.20 | pollywog | where do I find info on how to password protect my boot images with passwords in grub |
| 03:23.22 | pollywog | ? |
| 03:23.25 | Supaplex | wols: dns request -> dnsmask -> /etc/resolv.conf -> 127.0.0.1 -> dnsmask |
| 03:23.30 | wireddd | d03boy, are you running testing or stable? |
| 03:23.34 | Jimz | wols: ah thanks, the resolv.conf shows the ip of the gateway (which is also the DNS server) - so do i need to put in every hostname on a LAN in the hosts, cant it resolve from the gateways DNS? |
| 03:23.47 | d03boy | wireddd, testing |
| 03:24.01 | wireddd | 2.6.15 is in testing |
| 03:24.06 | wols | Jimz: not the LAN IPs. unless your router has a /etc/hosts you can edit that way |
| 03:24.28 | wols | the machine running the DNS server for all needs o know about all LAN OPs. IN my case my debian box is the router so that works fine |
| 03:24.32 | d03boy | E: Couldn't find package kernel-image-2.6.15-1-686 |
| 03:24.42 | wols | if you use a hardware router, that one needs to know about all LAN IPs then |
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| 03:24.59 | pollywog | I have been having problems with 2.6.15, make-kpkg would not accept my EXTRAVERSION |
| 03:25.02 | d03boy | wireddd, i'm running kernel 2.6.11 currently though |
| 03:25.13 | wols | but I doubt the typical router is as good as dnsmasq. just as it isn't as good as iptables |
| 03:25.42 | pollywog | any GRUB specialists? |
| 03:25.45 | wols | d03boy: you need to have the kernel headers for your running kernel. otherwise a nvidia install won#t work |
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| 03:26.01 | d03boy | wols, how do I get them? |
| 03:26.07 | ftp3 | so, i have my system all happy and running nice. but the hd is tooo small, so I bought a new HD.. I want to transfer everything so the new drive will boot and I can take my old slow drive out. I know ghost will mirror it, but the old drive / partition is SO small, is there a way to mirror it and make that partition bigger? |
| 03:26.08 | d03boy | i dont think they were released for debian |
| 03:26.39 | wols | d03boy: do you still have the kernel source from when you compiled your kernel? |
| 03:26.49 | d03boy | wols, I dont know. Where is that stored? |
| 03:26.53 | Jimz | im curious, and forgive my ignorance, as to why the windows machines can resolve straight off but the debian one needs each manually input |
| 03:27.04 | wols | d03boy: wherever you extracted it. dunno what you did |
| 03:27.09 | wireddd | d03boy, I guess it is just 2.6-686 tehn |
| 03:27.32 | wols | Jimz: do you have network shares in your LAN? |
| 03:27.44 | wols | windows has a tcp/netbios trnslation service running |
| 03:27.50 | pollywog | jimz: ddid you put your nameserv ers in /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 03:28.02 | Supaplex | ftp3: use parted |
| 03:28.11 | pollywog | oh I think I misunderstood the problem |
| 03:28.34 | Jimz | wols: some of the machines have windows shares, a couple are linux which just have servers on |
| 03:28.45 | ftp3 | supaplex: SWEET, thanks |
| 03:28.55 | wireddd | d03boy, its linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 |
| 03:28.57 | wireddd | lol |
| 03:29.13 | Jimz | pollywog: yeah, the gateway (and dns server) is in that file, assumedly from the setup |
| 03:29.24 | Supaplex | ftp3: or do it the old way, then rsync/tar copy and reinit lilo/grub/etc. |
| 03:29.43 | Supaplex | ftp3: or use both drives, and make the new one /home or something. =) |
| 03:29.54 | d03boy | wireddd, ok its working all of a sudden |
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| 03:30.15 | wireddd | compiling the module or the apt-get |
| 03:30.18 | d03boy | wireddd, so this will recompile my kernel? |
| 03:30.30 | pollywog | how do I password protect my kernel images and windows partition in GRUB? |
| 03:30.34 | d03boy | i'm first just doing the kernel |
| 03:30.35 | wireddd | no it will download one that is precompiled for you arch |
| 03:30.43 | d03boy | ok |
| 03:30.46 | d03boy | well it sdownloading |
| 03:30.48 | pollywog | I had this in lilo but I have never done it in GRUB |
| 03:31.22 | pollywog | I am googling but can't find the solution |
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| 03:33.07 | Azar | d03boy: maybe you knew this but I will remind you: if you run Debian 3.1, the highest offered precompiled kernel is 2.6.8. Any higher kernel you will install you will have to compile it, same for nvidia drivers that will have to run on that kernel |
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| 03:33.24 | d03boy | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 03:33.42 | d03boy | Azar, well, I have no idea what i'm doing, so feel free to tell me what to do |
| 03:33.48 | d03boy | i am running 2.6.11 |
| 03:33.56 | ZombB | Can anybody here using xchat 2.6.1 send me his <~/.xchat2/urlhandlers.conf>? On my system "open link in browser" does not work and I think it is because that file is missing. |
| 03:34.02 | wireddd | d03boy, are you running sarge or etch? |
| 03:34.07 | Jimz | hmm, this is weird because some hosts respond to pinging their hostname, and others dont (and they are on and responding to ip pings) |
| 03:34.11 | d03boy | wireddd, testing |
| 03:34.16 | tuv | is there any advantage of using data=journal vs. data=ordered in ext3? |
| 03:34.18 | d03boy | which I guess you can call etch |
| 03:34.56 | wireddd | what was it trying to do when you got that error message? |
| 03:35.07 | il_cane | Hi people |
| 03:35.14 | d03boy | Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/udev_0.085-1_i386.deb |
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| 03:35.52 | Coweater | ZombB: it's unlikely to have anything to do with the file, xchat tries to use gnome-open, gnome-moz-remote, and mozilla, if you don't have any of those, that menu item will simply not work |
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| 03:36.24 | Coweater | unless debian's done some modifications that i don't know about |
| 03:36.51 | ZombB | Coweater, thank you very much, I think thats the thing here |
| 03:37.26 | wireddd | d03boy, hmm you should see what dpkg -i udev_0.85-1_i386.deb says |
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| 03:37.57 | d03boy | no such file or directory |
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| 03:38.09 | bucky | what the heck are you doing grumpyD ? |
| 03:38.17 | wireddd | you have to wget it |
| 03:38.27 | grumpyD | nothing |
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| 03:38.39 | d03boy | i dont knwo wtf it is... how would I wget it? |
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| 03:38.46 | d03boy | why doesnt apt-get just get it itself? |
| 03:39.09 | il_cane | Please help |
| 03:39.12 | il_cane | Mplayer interrupted by signal 11 in module:unknown |
| 03:39.12 | il_cane | MPlayer crashed by bad usage of CPU/FPU/RAM. |
| 03:39.13 | il_cane | Recompile MPlayer with --enable-debug and make a 'gdb' backtrace and |
| 03:39.13 | il_cane | disassembly. |
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| 03:39.54 | wireddd | d03boy, try this... dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/udev_0.085-1_i386.deb |
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| 03:40.27 | d03boy | didnt work |
| 03:40.38 | d03boy | wireddd, what exactly am I trying to do? |
| 03:40.48 | d03boy | I dont really know what is going on |
| 03:40.51 | d03boy | with all this kernel crap |
| 03:40.52 | Dewi | il_cane: that sounds bad... if you see problems like that in other apps you might want to run memtest |
| 03:40.59 | ZombB | Coweater, package gnome-open, gnome-moz-remote do not exist. Which packages should I install to make it work? |
| 03:41.11 | wireddd | your trying to install some software for the newer kernel |
| 03:41.24 | d03boy | wireddd, what newer kernel? |
| 03:41.47 | wireddd | 2.6.15 is a newer version of the kernel then what you were using |
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| 03:42.07 | ayrnieu | il_cane - ask http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.video.mplayer.user |
| 03:42.25 | Coweater | !tell ZombB -about search |
| 03:42.37 | d03boy | wireddd, wellw hy do I need that kernel? |
| 03:43.12 | il_cane | Dewi In VLC all fine, |
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| 03:43.46 | wireddd | d03boy, so you can use the precompiled binaries for debian and not have to compile the nvidia module, also why are you running testing? |
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| 03:43.51 | EleckttrusS | who used debian experimental? |
| 03:44.06 | d03boy | wireddd, im running testing because someone here told me to, and someone else agreed. |
| 03:44.07 | ayrnieu | il_cane - if not a hardware problem (that vlc works does not rule such a problem out), a bug in mplayer. |
| 03:44.21 | d03boy | wireddd, i had the binaries installed but someone told me to uninstall and go with the debain way |
| 03:44.35 | d03boy | because my system is running shittily-slow |
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| 03:44.58 | ayrnieu | d03boy - what in particular runs slowly? |
| 03:45.01 | il_cane | os[Linux 2.6.15-1-686 i686] distro[Debian testing/unstable] cpu[1 x Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz @ 2.99GHz] mem[Physical : 503MB, 44.9% free] disk[Total : 121.38GB, 72.60% Free] video[nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200]] sound[ICH4 - Intel ICH5] |
| 03:45.01 | wireddd | how fast is your computer? |
| 03:45.09 | Azar | d03boy: it seems you are not able to handle etch? |
| 03:45.11 | ZombB | Coweater, apt-cache search gnome-open does not return a result |
| 03:45.20 | EleckttrusS | i nave a quetion....... |
| 03:45.31 | d03boy | Azar, shut the fuck up please. |
| 03:45.34 | EleckttrusS | Who used Debian sid and experimental! |
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| 03:45.50 | Coweater | ZombB: it's not a package, it's a binary, refer to the searching by files dpkg told you about |
| 03:45.50 | Azar | sure ok |
| 03:45.59 | d03boy | ayrnieu, fluxbox menus load up slow. xmms pauses every once in a while. moving windows, etc |
| 03:46.26 | Biguns | anyone knows any apps that will let me modify PDFs |
| 03:46.29 | EleckttrusS | d03boy, you are sure? |
| 03:46.38 | d03boy | EleckttrusS, am I sure what? |
| 03:46.43 | EleckttrusS | d03boy, you configure debian-menu? |
| 03:46.50 | EleckttrusS | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:46.58 | Azar | EleckttrusS: I used sid once |
| 03:47.04 | tuv | is there any advantage of using data=journal vs. data=ordered in ext3? |
| 03:47.10 | EleckttrusS | Azar, ok man |
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| 03:47.32 | EleckttrusS | Azar, you have repositories for debian experimental? |
| 03:47.34 | wireddd | I have some packages installed from unstable, but thats about it |
| 03:47.54 | wireddd | oh and I am running amarok from experimental |
| 03:48.01 | Azar | EleckttrusS: not anymore.... I quit using sid long ago, when everything started acting weird. |
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| 03:48.23 | il_cane | Dewi,ayrnieu in memtest all Ok, the hardware not is the problem, maybe a mplayer Bug |
| 03:48.28 | EleckttrusS | ok Azar |
| 03:48.49 | Biguns | packages to edit PDFs...anyone? |
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| 03:49.03 | ayrnieu | il_cane - please ask that gmane group, then. curiously, what arch do you get this error on? |
| 03:49.14 | Dewi | il_cane: if it works in VLC then... use VLC :) |
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| 03:49.19 | d03boy | can I install a differnet kernel so I stop having these stupid probelms or osmething? |
| 03:49.22 | d03boy | i dont understand wtf is causing them |
| 03:49.23 | Dewi | il_cane: I often find I have to use several players |
| 03:49.29 | Dewi | il_cane: especially in linux |
| 03:49.33 | Dewi | il_cane: but sometimes even in windows |
| 03:49.37 | d03boy | i'll go back to older kernel if I have to |
| 03:49.55 | ayrnieu | d03boy - does the older kernel work as well for you? |
| 03:49.55 | il_cane | Dewi , mplayer is cool is nice |
| 03:50.06 | d03boy | ayrnieu, I have no idea. I've never used it |
| 03:50.15 | d03boy | im so confused righ tnow |
| 03:50.24 | d03boy | i just want to install these goddamn nvidia drivers |
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| 03:51.20 | ayrnieu | d03boy - er, oh. Anyway, if you think that you need a new kernel, you can compile one and install it without getting rid of your current kernel. You might even just start this process, and continue to debug your issues by other means. |
| 03:51.54 | ayrnieu | (dewi - why did you buy hardware from a despairing hardware company?) |
| 03:52.16 | Dewi | ayrnieu: there's a lot of hardware you can't get from any other kind |
| 03:52.29 | Dewi | ayrnieu: especially down here in australia where there's not a lot of choice |
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| 03:55.24 | il_cane | Dewi, look |
| 03:55.30 | il_cane | os[Linux 2.6.15-1-686 i686] distro[Debian testing/unstable] cpu[1 x Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz @ 2.99GHz] mem[Physical : 503MB, 44.0% free] disk[Total : 121.38GB, 72.60% Free] video[nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200]] sound[ICH4 - Intel ICH5] |
| 03:56.38 | |valinux|xbm-x| | i forward my router ip 192.168.1.100 but when i ask my friend to see if it worked it din't.. why is that? |
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| 03:57.10 | wireddd | d03boy, well you basically have two choices, 1.) stick with what you have now and try to compile the nvidia module for your kernel. 2.) install a stock debian kernel binary(already compiled) which you can get the nvidia kernel module for(also precompiled). You can have more than one kernel installed on a system, and you will be able to select which kernel to use when your pc first boots up. |
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| 03:59.02 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: thanks. so it only does underscores? because i use periods |
| 04:00.25 | nightsky | asg: are you still there? |
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| 04:02.08 | nightsky | or anyone else for that matter: is it possible to find out which cflags were used when a specific package was compiles? can't seem to find any info on debian.org |
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| 04:02.16 | nightsky | compiled* |
| 04:03.02 | Azar | haha, old but funny just found on the usenet a thread from 2000: Bigger and Better Woody |
| 04:03.13 | Azar | and yes was about Debian Woody |
| 04:03.32 | EleckttrusS | http://humor.ozu.es/flash/archivos/son_of_a_peach_.swf Azar |
| 04:03.48 | Azar | EleckttrusS: I am not able to play swf's |
| 04:03.52 | ACU_01 | hi guys I want to install Carl Zeiss AxioVision 4.5 in Linux--- unfortunately it needs IE --- I want to install Camtasia and it needs DirectX -- I downloaded DirectX 9c and I do not know where to install it _ I installed it in a Desktop folder --- However Camtasia says is not installed --- any help is appreciated |
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| 04:04.05 | EleckttrusS | sorry Azar |
| 04:06.08 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: yeah, I suppose you could alter it to do periods too |
| 04:07.46 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: meaning edit the source? |
| 04:08.29 | |valinux|xbm-x| | dude i can see the web from this pc 192.168.1.101 the server its on 192.168.1.100 i forward 192.168.1.100 then i ask my friend test it but din't work... |
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| 04:10.03 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: yeah |
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| 04:10.33 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: time to rename (= |
| 04:10.38 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: it should be a fairly simple hack; just change the regex from s/_/ /g; to s/[_.]/ /g; or similar. |
| 04:10.43 | deadcat | let me make sure that the latest version works first. |
| 04:10.45 | dondelelcaro | or just rename the pictures... |
| 04:10.56 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: oh. |
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| 04:12.44 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: the latest version doesnt seem to see gif |
| 04:13.13 | deadcat | that was one reason i hold the stable version on the system |
| 04:13.29 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: PerlSetvar GalleryImgFile '\.(jpe?g|png|tiff?|ppm|gif)$' |
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| 04:13.55 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: 0.99-svn050524-2 is the version I've got installed |
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| 04:14.09 | deadcat | Setting up libapache-gallery-perl (0.99-svn050921-1) ... |
| 04:14.34 | d03boy | <wireddd> d03boy, well you basically have two choices, 1.) stick with what you have now and try to compile the nvidia module for your kernel. 2.) install a stock debian kernel binary(already compiled) which you can get the nvidia kernel module for(also precompiled). You can have more than one kernel installed on a system, and you will be able to select which kernel to use when your pc first boots up. |
| 04:14.35 | deadcat | i have the GalleryImgFile line already |
| 04:15.05 | d03boy | I already tried compiling wiht the kernel I have. It's not working so I tried the 3rd method the guide gave me which requires me to load up a kernel image. |
| 04:15.13 | d03boy | I' dprefer just get the first method working |
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| 04:16.16 | MatBoy | is it possible to make NFS redundant ? |
| 04:17.08 | dondelelcaro | MatBoy: you want afs or similar if you want redundancy |
| 04:17.21 | konfuzed | wouldnt raid be better |
| 04:17.42 | MatBoy | konfuzed, no, because I need 2 NFS-systems |
| 04:17.50 | MatBoy | dondelelcaro, I will check afs |
| 04:17.52 | dondelelcaro | konfuzed: that's locally; we're talking network filesystems |
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| 04:18.00 | konfuzed | ah |
| 04:18.08 | konfuzed | i was reading NTFS for some reason |
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| 04:18.18 | pollywog | I am getting an error in my kernel compile but it is too long to put here |
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| 04:18.32 | SimonRaven | !paster |
| 04:18.33 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 04:18.34 | pollywog | I think I am missing headers but I don't know for sure |
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| 04:19.07 | MatBoy | konfuzed, maybe that's why you have chosen your name :p |
| 04:19.19 | konfuzed | one of the many |
| 04:19.31 | konfuzed | it seems i cant spell either |
| 04:19.31 | pollywog | pasted |
| 04:19.38 | MatBoy | hehe :) |
| 04:20.19 | pollywog | http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste/2165 |
| 04:20.45 | pollywog | I do not see it |
| 04:20.52 | pollywog | I am sure I did it correctly |
| 04:21.44 | dondelelcaro | pollywog: we need the full output, including how you called make-kpkg |
| 04:22.03 | d03boy | well thats just GREAT. Some people 'helped' me by instructing me to remove my nvidia drivers (i installed using .bin) and told me to install using the proper method via apt-get |
| 04:22.06 | d03boy | now this apt-get shit doesnt work |
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| 04:22.41 | dondelelcaro | d03boy: it'd help if you actually told us where in the method it stopped working |
| 04:23.01 | d03boy | ok |
| 04:23.16 | dondelelcaro | moreover, if you're not using a Debian kernel, you won't be able to use the m-a a-i method anyway |
| 04:23.21 | pollywog | full output? It took 1 hr to get to the error |
| 04:23.42 | dondelelcaro | pollywog: how did you call make-kpkg in the first place? |
| 04:24.12 | pollywog | I posted again, at the bottom, the exact command |
| 04:24.17 | pollywog | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2167 |
| 04:24.38 | pollywog | make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=.060318 kernel_image modules_image |
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| 04:25.35 | d03boy | this is where I encounter an error |
| 04:25.36 | d03boy | # m-a auto-install nvidia |
| 04:25.37 | pollywog | I think I need the kernel headers |
| 04:25.57 | d03boy | Installation of the nvidia-kernel-source source failed. |
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| 04:26.30 | Ashex | I'm having some issues installing Debian to my laptop |
| 04:26.33 | pollywog | d03boy did you read a howto for that? |
| 04:26.38 | d03boy | pollywog, yes |
| 04:26.48 | pollywog | k |
| 04:26.48 | dondelelcaro | pollywog: you've got them already; you really should be using --append-to-version -060318 or similar instead |
| 04:26.52 | Ashex | I've got it plugged into my router, and the light on the router indicates that there's a powered connection to my laptop |
| 04:27.02 | d03boy | pollywog, apt-get has been fudging up the past couple days |
| 04:27.03 | Ashex | But for some reason it won't DHCP configure |
| 04:27.03 | pollywog | make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=.060318 kernel_image modules_image |
| 04:27.07 | d03boy | that might have something to do with it |
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| 04:27.15 | pollywog | dondelelcaro: see I did that |
| 04:27.38 | Azar | this is cool: "If I were a package in Debian GNU/Linux my package name would be xfonts-azar-pex" :) |
| 04:27.40 | dondelelcaro | pollywog: -, not .; and you need to run make-kpkg clean with the proper --append-to-version first. |
| 04:27.45 | dondelelcaro | !tell pollywog -about kp mantra |
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| 04:28.08 | dondelelcaro | d03boy: it doesn't have anything to do with it, cause that part shouldn't involve calling apt-get. |
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| 04:28.21 | d03boy | well then something else is calling the error |
| 04:28.23 | d03boy | causing |
| 04:28.52 | pollywog | dondelelcaro: do you mean I put the --initrd in the wrong place? |
| 04:29.12 | pollywog | I have made custom kernels many times and this is ... weird |
| 04:29.39 | dondelelcaro | d03boy: yes, you'll need to give us the full output of the m-a a-i with -t. |
| 04:29.45 | pollywog | I ran make-kpkg clean before the command I posted |
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| 04:29.57 | pollywog | right after make oldconfig |
| 04:30.00 | dondelelcaro | pollywog: and make-kpkg clean with the proper --append-to-version? |
| 04:30.26 | pollywog | make-kpkg clean takes an option? |
| 04:30.30 | dondelelcaro | pollywog: yes. |
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| 04:30.33 | pollywog | I have never done it that way |
| 04:30.39 | dondelelcaro | pollywog: reread the k-p mantra again. |
| 04:30.42 | pollywog | thanks I will try it |
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| 04:31.04 | dondelelcaro | pollywog: furthermore, you don't need an initrd if you're building a custom kernel. |
| 04:31.41 | pollywog | dondelelcaro: then it won't boot |
| 04:31.42 | d03boy | here is my error: http://pastebin.com/610150 |
| 04:31.51 | pollywog | I have reiser as modules |
| 04:32.15 | pollywog | but I will follow the kp mantrra |
| 04:32.27 | dondelelcaro | pollywog: uh... if you're building a custom kernel, why are you building them as modules? |
| 04:32.27 | d03boy | wait, thats wrong |
| 04:32.29 | d03boy | let me try again |
| 04:33.29 | konfuzed | well now i can get started installing this new box |
| 04:33.37 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: i dont need to worry about the image names right? just dir? |
| 04:33.48 | konfuzed | too bad it has to be dual boot |
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| 04:34.48 | d03boy | this is what I get when I run the command "m-a -t auto-install nvidia" from root: http://pastebin.com/610154 |
| 04:34.55 | konfuzed | but last year I started charging $25/hr just to install XP |
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| 04:35.10 | konfuzed | then it takes twice as long to make it safe for internet use |
| 04:35.22 | rolo | hi there ... i am trying to install super karamba .... where would my X includes be ... in /usr/X11R6/include/ .... or /usr/include/X11 ??? |
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| 04:35.36 | pollywog | dondelelcaro: I am confused, I have done it this way for a long time and it always worked |
| 04:35.46 | BlueFish | hi |
| 04:35.49 | konfuzed | no i am confused |
| 04:35.52 | pollywog | maybe the procedure changed recently |
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| 04:36.37 | BlueFish | Hi |
| 04:36.48 | BlueFish | does anyone here use eyeOS? |
| 04:36.50 | themusicgod1 | (I'm getting conflicting reports from google) I have just found and fixed a bug in a debian package's source, how should I package these changes in a manner suitable for the package maintainer? Or better yet, what M should I RTF in order to know this? |
| 04:37.07 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: right |
| 04:37.18 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: since the image names don't show up anyway |
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| 04:37.30 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: cool. i just have to figure out how to get the .gif to work |
| 04:37.34 | dondelelcaro | pollywog: no, you may not have been using an append-to-version until recently. |
| 04:37.46 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: ya. since my dir name is pretty long and before it doesnt wrap |
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| 04:38.10 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: right... that's exactly why I have it enabled on mine too |
| 04:38.24 | pollywog | dondelelcaro: correct, I used revision only |
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| 04:38.38 | d03boy | this is what I get when I run the command "m-a -t auto-install nvidia" from root: http://pastebin.com/610154 |
| 04:38.50 | pollywog | I was able to have multiple kernels of one version installed :) |
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| 04:39.12 | pollywog | just using revision and EXTRAVERSION = v1 in Makefile |
| 04:39.46 | pollywog | I set EXTRAVERSION in the Makfile instead of declaring appent-to |
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| 04:39.50 | pollywog | append-to |
| 04:40.00 | BlueFish | Hi |
| 04:40.06 | dondelelcaro | d03boy: you need to make sure you have debhelper 5 isntalled |
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| 04:40.20 | d03boy | dondelelcaro, ok......... how? |
| 04:40.26 | BlueFish | Where is the files that controls what programs are started on startup? |
| 04:40.38 | pollywog | BlueFish: |
| 04:40.39 | dondelelcaro | BlueFish: /etc/rcS.d and /etc/rc2.d |
| 04:40.45 | pollywog | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:40.53 | dondelelcaro | d03boy: apt-get install debhelper; make sure dpkg -l lists at least version 5. |
| 04:40.54 | ParoXsitiC | How can i put my additional IP to use to my computer. I want 2 IPs to point to the same computer. Here is more details of my setup: www.brianhare.com/help.html |
| 04:40.58 | d03boy | goddamnit, I fucking hate apt-get |
| 04:41.02 | d03boy | apt-get isnt working, |
| 04:41.06 | d03boy | aptittude it is |
| 04:41.07 | dondelelcaro | d03boy: then fix that first. |
| 04:41.15 | dondelelcaro | d03boy: give us the full output of the failed apt-get run. |
| 04:41.55 | pollywog | dondelelcaro: thanks, I will google some more to try to find out what is wrong |
| 04:41.57 | BlueFish | So which is it? |
| 04:42.04 | dondelelcaro | and please stop swearing at the channel. If you need to, yell and scream elsewhere. |
| 04:42.09 | d03boy | http://pastebin.com/610163 |
| 04:42.15 | d03boy | alright |
| 04:42.20 | grendal_prime | ParoXsitiC, you can alias your nick with iptables..put as many ips on it as you want |
| 04:42.21 | pollywog | BlueFish: I think it is /etc/init.d/ |
| 04:42.24 | pollywog | look there |
| 04:42.31 | BlueFish | kool |
| 04:42.34 | BlueFish | oops |
| 04:42.36 | BlueFish | cool |
| 04:42.38 | BlueFish | lol |
| 04:42.38 | networking | the debian 3.1 r1 have many iso cds |
| 04:42.44 | dondelelcaro | BlueFish: rc2.d and rcS.d have the symlinks to init.d which tell it which scripts to run. |
| 04:42.52 | dondelelcaro | BlueFish: this is the so called SysV init system. |
| 04:42.53 | networking | how many iso i need do download to install ? |
| 04:43.00 | BlueFish | 1000000 |
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| 04:43.04 | BlueFish | 000000000000000000 |
| 04:43.06 | pollywog | networking: just one |
| 04:43.09 | BlueFish | lol |
| 04:43.11 | pollywog | the netinstall iso |
| 04:43.12 | networking | the first ? |
| 04:43.16 | dondelelcaro | networking: get the netinst image. |
| 04:43.24 | ParoXsitiC | grendal_prime: but aliases arent visable to the outside world are they? If i make an alias of 1.2.3.4 would anyone trying to connect to 1.2.3.4 connect to my computer? |
| 04:43.29 | dondelelcaro | d03boy: are you running unstable? or testing? |
| 04:43.32 | d03boy | teting |
| 04:43.33 | d03boy | testing |
| 04:43.34 | pollywog | that is if you have dsl or a fast connection |
| 04:43.52 | networking | ok |
| 04:43.58 | dondelelcaro | !+info udev testisng |
| 04:44.00 | networking | if i dont have |
| 04:44.00 | dpkg | Package 'udev testisng' does not exist. |
| 04:44.01 | dondelelcaro | !+info udev testing |
| 04:44.01 | pollywog | Paro no not if the IP's are not routable |
| 04:44.02 | grendal_prime | well, you can get two ips from your isp i would gather, |
| 04:44.07 | dpkg | udev: (/dev/ and hotplug management daemon), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.085-1 (etch), Packaged size: 270 kB, Installed size: 964 kB |
| 04:44.27 | dondelelcaro | d03boy: right, so why are you trying to install udev 0.56-3? |
| 04:44.39 | grendal_prime | your going to have to arrange some with your isp...you cant just use whatever ip you want to the outside |
| 04:44.40 | d03boy | dondelelcaro, i'm not |
| 04:44.42 | dondelelcaro | s/\./.0/ |
| 04:44.47 | BlueFish | Hi,does anyone know how get a dnydns account to go to my webserver? |
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| 04:44.55 | d03boy | dondelelcaro, did you see me type anything dealing with udev in there? |
| 04:45.06 | ParoXsitiC | grendal_prime: yeah. i am paying for an additional IP, however they dont support linux and told me that I can only use the 2nd IP if i buy a hub from them and another computer, which i know it probably not true |
| 04:45.09 | d03boy | i was following someone elses instruction earlier. They probably told me to |
| 04:45.10 | dondelelcaro | d03boy: initramfs-tools: Depends: udev (>= 0.076-5) but 0.056-3 is to be installed <--- |
| 04:45.18 | d03boy | if I could make it disappear I would |
| 04:45.20 | d03boy | but I dont know how |
| 04:45.36 | dondelelcaro | d03boy: run apt-cache policy udev; then apt-get install udev=0.085-1; make sure you've run apt-get update recently. |
| 04:45.56 | BlueFish | dyndns? |
| 04:46.02 | orchid | BlueFish: theres a package for dnydns |
| 04:46.07 | BlueFish | oh |
| 04:46.09 | grendal_prime | they should be able to see your box as two diff hardware nics |
| 04:46.16 | dondelelcaro | ParoXsitiC: how do they plan to give you the second ip? |
| 04:46.18 | BlueFish | okay thanks |
| 04:46.29 | dondelelcaro | ParoXsitiC: is it for a separate computer? or what? |
| 04:46.30 | ParoXsitiC | grendal_prime: using the config listed on www.brianhare.com/help.html i was able to have the IP be pingable from the outside, meaning one of my friends could not ping the IP....i used eth0:0 and then they were able to ping me.. but not connect to any services , like webmin |
| 04:46.34 | grendal_prime | as far as them not supporting it...that means just that..if you cant figure it out there not going to do it for you |
| 04:46.36 | konfuzed | ParoXsitiC, your isp has to provide you the two ips to start with. then your gateway router (especially if thats not the debian you/re messing with) has to be configged to send them to an internal LAN IP |
| 04:46.36 | d03boy | dondelelcaro, that returned with the same error |
| 04:46.44 | ParoXsitiC | dondelecaro: no i want 2 IPs to point to the same computer |
| 04:46.47 | dondelelcaro | d03boy: give me the full output of it |
| 04:46.54 | dondelelcaro | ParoXsitiC: are they giving you ips via dhcp? |
| 04:47.10 | d03boy | dondelelcaro, http://pastebin.com/610175 |
| 04:47.38 | dondelelcaro | d03boy: that would be a different error. |
| 04:48.03 | ParoXsitiC | dondelelcaro: yeah they are DHCP configured IPs. However based on the configuration on the site i used DHCP on another NIC and it gave me that IP, i know that IP can be used with their DHCP server, so i setup a static version |
| 04:48.21 | d03boy | dondelelcaro, ok sorry, I just glanced |
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| 04:48.43 | ParoXsitiC | The ISP is comcast, and they assigned IPs based on MAC Addresses, it would seem to me that i would need to spoof a MAC address to get the 2nd IP |
| 04:48.56 | d03boy | apparently my kernel isnt good enough |
| 04:48.57 | d03boy | ugh |
| 04:49.04 | dondelelcaro | d03boy: you're going to have to do two things here: First, upgrade to the 2.6.15 kernel that is in etch. (apt-get install linux-image-2.6.15-686 or similar) |
| 04:49.19 | dondelelcaro | d03boy: then, rerun apt-get -f install; which will finish the installation of the right version of udev. |
| 04:49.23 | d03boy | k |
| 04:49.31 | dondelelcaro | ParoXsitiC: yes, that's basically what you have to do |
| 04:49.34 | d03boy | E: Couldn't find package linux-image-2.6.15-686 |
| 04:49.39 | d03boy | how do I know the exact name of th eimae? |
| 04:49.40 | d03boy | the image |
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| 04:49.48 | ParoXsitiC | dondelecaro: i dont know how to make a fake NIC. |
| 04:49.48 | networking | what is the new stable version |
| 04:49.49 | dondelelcaro | d03boy: with apt-cache searc linux-image- |
| 04:49.52 | dondelelcaro | s/c/ch/ |
| 04:49.52 | networking | 3.1 r1 / |
| 04:49.53 | networking | ? |
| 04:49.58 | dondelelcaro | networking: yes. |
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| 04:50.05 | networking | where i can get ? |
| 04:50.15 | dondelelcaro | ParoXsitiC: you don't need a fake nic, you just need the dhcp server to send out a fake mac address. |
| 04:50.18 | networking | link |
| 04:50.23 | dondelelcaro | !cdimage |
| 04:50.23 | dpkg | dondelelcaro, cdimage.debian.org mirror at: http://www.uk.debian.org/debian-cd/ -- or if you just want to install debian, it is not recommended to download the entire cdimage. Please use the ftp method of installation... |
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| 04:50.33 | dondelelcaro | networking: or debian.org/CD |
| 04:50.44 | ParoXsitiC | if someone could do me the honor: please ping this IP: 71.197.29.147 ....this is my addtional IP.. i believe its pingable, but http://71.197.29.147:10000 does not redirect to the webmin, so its my guess something is not routed/forwarded right |
| 04:50.44 | dondelelcaro | ParoXsitiC: probably sending out a different clientid will do it as well... |
| 04:51.14 | dondelelcaro | ParoXsitiC: it's not pingable either. |
| 04:51.25 | pollywog | I have a linux-kernel-headers 2.6.13+0rc3-2 and my linux-source is 2.5.15 is that a problem? |
| 04:51.38 | dondelelcaro | pollywog: no |
| 04:51.42 | pollywog | I thought the headers version had to match kernel source version |
| 04:51.49 | BlueFish | No, I couldn't ping it either |
| 04:51.53 | dondelelcaro | pollywog: no. the source has it's own headers. |
| 04:52.02 | pollywog | k |
| 04:52.02 | dondelelcaro | s/'// |
| 04:52.12 | ParoXsitiC | dondelelcaro: okay so that IP is not pingable. I knew i shouldnt of asked a female to ping it, she said it was working |
| 04:52.48 | Stevie | pollywog: The headers version should match the ones that your glibc was compiled against |
| 04:52.48 | dondelelcaro | as if her sex has anything to do with it... |
| 04:52.50 | ParoXsitiC | this means all my work so far has not gotten me anywhere, if someone could assist me in this problem and guided me through I would be forever helpful |
| 04:53.04 | BlueFish | that's a really stupid thing to say |
| 04:53.05 | pollywog | dondelelcaro: yeah I thought I was missing something there |
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| 04:53.32 | pollywog | unless ping works better for female persons |
| 04:53.37 | konfuzed | ParoXsitiC, I never listen to any ones opinoiin about ping results. I force them to read back the screen in front of them without telling them what im looking for |
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| 04:53.58 | dondelelcaro | ParoXsitiC: again, you have to specify a mac address when you request an address. dhcp3-client should be able to do that. It may also work if you specify a different client id for each interface. |
| 04:54.02 | d03boy | what is P4 SMP? |
| 04:54.10 | d03boy | I have a laptop... Pentium m 4 |
| 04:54.10 | pollywog | thanks Stevie, that might be the problem |
| 04:54.14 | dondelelcaro | d03boy: pentium 4, mutliple processors. |
| 04:54.21 | dondelelcaro | d03boy: you just want the normal p4 then. |
| 04:54.23 | d03boy | k |
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| 04:54.50 | Laidback_01 | hey, uh... anyone in here pretty good with Crypt::CBC in relation to a dpkg build? See, I'm trying to install vhcs2, rather upgrade, and I get this wonderful error: If specified by -literal_key, then the key length must be equal to the chosen cipher's key length of 56 bytes at /var/lib/dpkg/info/vhcs.postinst line 1887 |
| 04:55.14 | Laidback_01 | I'm normally not too bad at solving issues, but I don't really know where to go on this one. Anyone dealt with this as yet? |
| 04:55.29 | Stevie | Laidback_01: Maybe you need a new version of perl |
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| 04:55.43 | dondelelcaro | Laidback_01: if someone has, there should be a bug filed against it in the bts |
| 04:55.50 | Stevie | It's rare, but sometimes packages have incomplete or improper dependency lists |
| 04:55.50 | ParoXsitiC | dondelecaro: i was told that DHCP could not get more than 1 address |
| 04:56.04 | dondelelcaro | ParoXsitiC: whoever told you that didn't know what the hell they were talking about |
| 04:56.11 | d03boy | dondelelcaro, thi si why apt-get pisses me off: http://pastebin.com/610186 |
| 04:56.13 | Stevie | apt-proxy's one of them |
| 04:56.24 | Ashex | How do I scan for usb devices? I forgot to plug my usb mouse in and it's not detecting it. |
| 04:56.25 | Laidback_01 | well, Crypt:CBC is installed and all... I think's it just a new version or something is why I'm having issues. |
| 04:56.48 | Laidback_01 | dondelelcaro, where is debian's bts? |
| 04:56.49 | dondelelcaro | d03boy: cool, so you've already got the right kernel installed. reboot so that you're running it, and then install the right version of udev. |
| 04:56.52 | dondelelcaro | !bts |
| 04:56.53 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 04:57.02 | Laidback_01 | thx |
| 04:57.23 | pollywog | at firsst I thought bts was a sandwich ;) |
| 04:57.24 | dondelelcaro | Laidback_01: however, vhcs doesn't seem to be a debian package... so you're going to have to talk to whoever packaged it |
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| 04:57.51 | d03boy | dondelelcaro, I dont remember installing that kernel..... :O |
| 04:58.00 | Laidback_01 | okay... dang |
| 04:58.02 | Laidback_01 | thanks |
| 04:58.08 | dondelelcaro | d03boy: inux-image-2.6.15-1-686 is already the newest version. <-- |
| 04:58.08 | d03boy | dondelelcaro, i'll reboot to check though, I guess.. |
| 04:58.09 | pollywog | but that happens when one sits at the computer and forgets to eat |
| 04:58.10 | konfuzed | ParoXsitiC, is that for the Palace Shopping Cart |
| 04:58.39 | dondelelcaro | d03boy: you'll need to make sure to boot up using it. |
| 04:58.41 | ParoXsitiC | its for palace software, yes. |
| 04:58.46 | d03boy | sure thing string bean |
| 04:59.25 | d03boy | dondelelcaro, it didnt show up in teh grub list... :( |
| 04:59.33 | d03boy | my computer is on crack |
| 04:59.38 | pollywog | dondelelcaro: let's say I want to make a custom kernel without initrd, wouldn't that mean building all the modules INTO the kernel? |
| 04:59.41 | dondelelcaro | d03boy: then you need to fix your menu.lst so it has it. |
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| 04:59.51 | dondelelcaro | pollywog: no, just the ones you need to mount your root device. |
| 05:00.02 | pollywog | yes that is what I mean |
| 05:00.04 | pollywog | :) |
| 05:00.11 | pollywog | reiserfs and some others |
| 05:00.44 | dondelelcaro | or, enter the kernel manually... |
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| 05:00.54 | d03boy | too late, booting into 2.6.11 |
| 05:00.57 | ParoXsitiC | Would i edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf |
| 05:01.02 | dondelelcaro | something like boot /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-686 or similar. |
| 05:01.08 | dondelelcaro | ParoXsitiC: presumably |
| 05:01.13 | d03boy | thanks bluefish |
| 05:01.33 | ParoXsitiC | how would i attain the client ID from my current connection |
| 05:01.58 | ParoXsitiC | comcast will not offer much details about messing with DHCP |
| 05:02.20 | dondelelcaro | you don't care what it is for the current connection; you just want to specify a different one |
| 05:03.01 | ParoXsitiC | dondelecaro: i was under the impressed that only certain IDs get passed through comcast and accepted, i didnt think i could just make one |
| 05:03.05 | ParoXsitiC | impression |
| 05:03.34 | dondelelcaro | the general method is that they only accept a certain number of mac addresses (usually 1) from a specific port |
| 05:04.04 | pollywog | dondelelcaro: how did you learn so much about Linux? |
| 05:04.04 | dondelelcaro | getting people to specify a specific client id is too much of a support nightmare |
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| 05:04.14 | dondelelcaro | pollywog: I've been using it for quite a long time |
| 05:04.35 | pollywog | I have been using it for a long time and I am still a n00b |
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| 05:05.39 | pollywog | BlueFish: did you find the startup scripts? |
| 05:05.58 | BlueFish | no. I'm on Windows XP at atm |
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| 05:06.05 | pollywog | oic |
| 05:06.07 | BlueFish | i'm using someone elses PC |
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| 05:07.42 | ParoXsitiC | how do you exit a manual page. Ctrl+C or Ctrl+X are not working |
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| 05:07.43 | pollywog | I had to change the gcc symlink from 4.0 to 3.3 so I could compile a kernel |
| 05:07.55 | pollywog | q |
| 05:08.00 | pollywog | try q |
| 05:08.05 | ParoXsitiC | works, thanks |
| 05:08.11 | konfuzed | ParoXsitiC, did you get palace server running on your debian or windows? |
| 05:08.40 | ParoXsitiC | the palace server is running on debian |
| 05:08.52 | dondelelcaro | pollywog: don't change the symlink. That's what make CC=gcc-3.3 is for. |
| 05:09.00 | pollywog | is palace a popular shopping cart? |
| 05:09.09 | dondelelcaro | (or HOSTCC=gcc-3.3 in the case of the kernel) |
| 05:09.13 | konfuzed | any chane to actually test in light of the ip routing conundrum? |
| 05:09.19 | ParoXsitiC | no. Palace is a chat software which has servers they send pictures to other clients |
| 05:09.39 | pollywog | dondelelcaro: could changing it be what is keeping me from getting this kernel compiled? |
| 05:09.40 | ParoXsitiC | very similar to a website, but setup like a 3D house |
| 05:09.50 | konfuzed | palace strikes me as a BBS with graphic avatars |
| 05:09.53 | dondelelcaro | pollywog: no |
| 05:09.59 | pollywog | k |
| 05:10.00 | dondelelcaro | pollywog: but you shouldn't have changed it in the first place. |
| 05:10.10 | ParoXsitiC | konfuzed: I believe so, but i am not sure what BBS is |
| 05:10.24 | pollywog | dondelelcaro: it would not compile with gcc-4.0 |
| 05:10.27 | konfuzed | can any one say Majour BBS |
| 05:10.33 | pollywog | it just complained |
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| 05:10.54 | konfuzed | ran that on my Amiga 2000 |
| 05:11.04 | pollywog | now it compiles it just doesn't end up with debs |
| 05:11.48 | konfuzed | it looks like Palace uses flat images to fake a 3D environment |
| 05:12.04 | ParoXsitiC | correct, sorry if you thought truely 3d |
| 05:12.17 | konfuzed | not for a second |
| 05:12.36 | konfuzed | i was just being informative and comparitive |
| 05:12.51 | pollywog | konfuzed: do you work at the post office? |
| 05:13.08 | ParoXsitiC | one additional IP would double my availablity of servers to people. I am havign a hard time however |
| 05:13.48 | d03boy | dondelelcaro, ok, how do I add the new kernel? |
| 05:13.58 | konfuzed | i stopped dealing with the post office when I setup Majour BBS on my Amiga 2000 |
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| 05:15.19 | pollywog | dondelelcaro: is there a way I can discover which drivers I need to build into a kernel to avoid initrd? |
| 05:15.27 | pollywog | I know I need reiserfs |
| 05:15.36 | pollywog | I suspect I need cramfs too |
| 05:16.18 | karsten | pollywog: cramfs is probably only needed for your initrd. |
| 05:16.18 | pollywog | if I avoid initrd I can build the kernel and modules debs in two steps |
| 05:16.29 | karsten | pollywog: Why are you so keen on avoiding use of initrd? |
| 05:16.33 | pollywog | karsten: ty |
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| 05:16.48 | karsten | pollywog: ... if you need cramfs later, you can load it as a module. |
| 05:16.49 | pollywog | because I am having difficulty building a kernel |
| 05:16.55 | karsten | Um. |
| 05:17.02 | pollywog | I have done it many times |
| 05:17.06 | pollywog | the debian way |
| 05:17.09 | karsten | pollywog: ... if you use initrd, you can very frequently avoid that problem entirely. |
| 05:17.13 | pollywog | but today it is not working |
| 05:17.23 | pollywog | karsten: yes that is true |
| 05:17.33 | pollywog | that is why I have been using initrd's |
| 05:17.44 | karsten | pollywog: Where's it failing? Or should I read scrollback? |
| 05:17.53 | pollywog | scroll way up |
| 05:18.13 | pollywog | it fails at the end |
| 05:18.26 | pollywog | I will post the errors again when I see them |
| 05:18.30 | karsten | pollywog: Approx timestamp minute? |
| 05:19.13 | pollywog | karsten: I lost that info |
| 05:19.21 | pollywog | I am trying to compile it again |
| 05:19.35 | pollywog | will post the error to flood if it happens again |
| 05:19.40 | karsten | Feh. How do I dump the current scrollback to a file in irssi? |
| 05:19.42 | pollywog | #flood |
| 05:19.46 | karsten | !tell pollywog about paster |
| 05:19.52 | karsten | Use that instead. Much more useable. |
| 05:20.06 | pollywog | thanks I used that earlier |
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| 05:21.10 | d03boy | !tell d03boy about paster |
| 05:21.23 | karsten | d03boy: /msg dpkg foo please. |
| 05:21.27 | d03boy | no |
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| 05:21.49 | d03boy | dondelelcaro, how do I edit my menu.lst or whatever? |
| 05:21.59 | dondelelcaro | d03boy: with an editor |
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| 05:22.28 | pollywog | I edited mine earlier to add passwords, but I need to reboot to find out if it worked |
| 05:22.33 | karsten | d03boy: For text files, in Linux, use a text editor. vim, emacs, nano, pico, nedit, gedit, etc. |
| 05:22.45 | d03boy | ya |
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| 05:23.10 | d03boy | i i dont know where its at though |
| 05:23.15 | d03boy | or what to change in it |
| 05:23.21 | pollywog | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:23.42 | karsten | d03boy: 'locate <filename>' |
| 05:24.00 | karsten | d03boy: ... if you've got slocate installed. Otherwise, you'll find menu.lst in /boot/grub |
| 05:24.14 | pollywog | my sis used to call me doughboy |
| 05:24.20 | pollywog | pillsbury IIRC |
| 05:24.23 | d03boy | are you fat? |
| 05:24.29 | pollywog | I am |
| 05:24.31 | d03boy | thats what everyone asks me |
| 05:24.47 | pollywog | I was fat as a kid |
| 05:24.58 | pollywog | still am though it is not obvious |
| 05:25.15 | karsten | pollywog: Stock kernel or are you trying to add modules, or what? |
| 05:25.33 | pollywog | karsten: I am trying to go to a new kernel |
| 05:25.49 | karsten | pollywog: Where are you getting sources? kernel.org, Debian archives, other? |
| 05:25.52 | pollywog | but I don't want the appletalk stuff and a few other goodies I do not need |
| 05:25.57 | pollywog | debian testing |
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| 05:26.05 | pollywog | 2.6.15 |
| 05:26.16 | karsten | OK |
| 05:26.26 | pollywog | I am running 2.6.8 atm |
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| 05:26.46 | karsten | WTF are you compiling on? A 286? 1 hour to build? |
| 05:26.59 | pollywog | no the machine is not old |
| 05:27.17 | mileskeaton | Can I ask you guys some advice? I'm a long-time FreeBSD user, trying to switch to Debian on my dev laptop. |
| 05:27.19 | karsten | OK... |
| 05:27.24 | mileskeaton | I love every bit of it until the xorg config |
| 05:27.24 | karsten | mileskeaton: Shoot. |
| 05:27.44 | mileskeaton | Unfortunately copying my working xorg.conf from my FreeBSD thing didn't go too well. Still can't get a working X window going in Debian. |
| 05:28.01 | karsten | !tell mileskeaton about setup x |
| 05:28.10 | mileskeaton | So... I try Ubuntu. Of course it works perfectly. Only problem is : I don't want all that crap that Ubuntu installs. |
| 05:28.30 | pollywog | doesn't Debian install lots of stuff too? |
| 05:28.33 | konfuzed | copy the ubuntu xorg.conf ;^) |
| 05:28.37 | mileskeaton | I REALLY just want a BAREBONES Debian, but with a good icewm window manager + X. |
| 05:28.39 | karsten | mileskeaton: In a pinch you might be able to use Ubuntu's x.org conf. |
| 05:28.49 | pollywog | I copied my xorg from Xandros |
| 05:28.55 | pollywog | it works great |
| 05:28.59 | mileskeaton | I tried copying Ubuntu's xorg.conf - but that froze (!) the whole laptop. |
| 05:29.01 | karsten | mileskeaton: .. and you _can_ tailor Ubuntu's package selection, though some might ask what the point is. |
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| 05:29.09 | karsten | mileskeaton: What's your HW? |
| 05:29.11 | mileskeaton | Had to SSH into it to get it to reboot. ALT-CTRL-backspace didn't help |
| 05:29.25 | mileskeaton | Gateway 450ROG laptop |
| 05:29.40 | mileskeaton | A couple years old. Works well. Works in FreeBSD |
| 05:29.46 | mileskeaton | (typing on it now) |
| 05:30.00 | konfuzed | gateway is usually quite linux friendly ahrdware |
| 05:30.18 | mileskeaton | I REALLY love the Debian thing so far. (NOTE: you guys are SPOILED with those fast binary installs! Holy shit! I'm used to it taking a few HOURS to install Firefox, for example.) |
| 05:30.51 | karsten | mileskeaton: We know ;-) |
| 05:30.52 | useruser | mileskeaton: you could take ubuntu and pare it down. shouldn't be hard, I think |
| 05:31.11 | mileskeaton | karsten: What's `setup x`? |
| 05:31.23 | karsten | mileskeaton: There's a debian-laptops email list (http://lists.debian.org/), good place to discuss. |
| 05:31.29 | karsten | mileskeaton: /msg dpkg setup x |
| 05:31.41 | karsten | mileskeaton: ... it's the short answer here to "I can't get X to work" questions. |
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| 05:32.03 | karsten | mileskeaton: The long answer usually comes after you've tried that and can post something intelligent about what broke. |
| 05:32.08 | nixbox | which configuration file do i need to change if i want to open up an application by default no matter whatever window manager the users are using |
| 05:32.35 | pollywog | I like what dpkg says about the frame buffer |
| 05:32.40 | karsten | nixbox: ~/.xsession on a per-user basis, or the global X config scripts for everyone. |
| 05:32.46 | pollywog | "just say no to the frame buffer" |
| 05:33.08 | nixbox | karsten, which are the global X config scripts? |
| 05:33.13 | karsten | nixbox: /etc/init.d/X11/Xsession.d/99x11-common_start |
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| 05:33.32 | mileskeaton | Cool. Thanks. I'll give it a try. |
| 05:33.32 | jmg | hey guys |
| 05:33.35 | jmg | quick question |
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| 05:33.50 | karsten | jmg: Ask |
| 05:33.52 | jmg | i need the d-i to run in vanilla text mode not the extended mode it tries |
| 05:34.01 | jmg | what's the argument for that? |
| 05:34.07 | jmg | textmode doesnt seem to work |
| 05:34.09 | karsten | jmg: Um. No dialog? |
| 05:34.26 | karsten | jmg: You doing a serial console install or something? |
| 05:34.32 | jmg | no it can use dialog but it needs to be 80x24 |
| 05:34.36 | jmg | karsten: ilo |
| 05:34.47 | karsten | jmg: ilo? |
| 05:34.50 | dondelelcaro | jmg: it should still work in 80x24... |
| 05:34.52 | jmg | integrated lights out |
| 05:34.57 | karsten | jmg: Um. Should Just Work. |
| 05:35.01 | karsten | OK. |
| 05:35.03 | jmg | dondelelcaro: it doesnt, i need it to use the standard mode |
| 05:35.12 | dondelelcaro | jmg: uh... that is the standard mode |
| 05:35.13 | jmg | karsten: should but dont |
| 05:35.20 | d03boy | dondelelcaro, i dont think this 2.6.15-1 kernel is isntalled all the way |
| 05:35.20 | jmg | no it isnt, it changes console font |
| 05:35.22 | karsten | jmg: Installer options are generally on the boot disk itself. I don't go there often. |
| 05:35.38 | jmg | i cant get to the boot options either since the splash screen kills ilo |
| 05:35.42 | karsten | jmg: That's probably the VGA mode changing. Try 'vga=1' or something. |
| 05:35.47 | Supaplex | karsten: we have a boot disk? ;) |
| 05:35.51 | jmg | karsten: thx |
| 05:35.52 | karsten | Supaplex: ?? |
| 05:36.05 | karsten | Supaplex: Install disk. |
| 05:36.10 | Supaplex | karsten: just building on you "I don't go there often" |
| 05:36.17 | Supaplex | you/your/ |
| 05:36.17 | dondelelcaro | the alternative is that it's using fbdev, (which it probably is) to set UTF-8 fonts. Try nofb or similar. |
| 05:36.26 | karsten | jmg: Which install method are you using? |
| 05:36.31 | jmg | jmg: netinst |
| 05:36.41 | jmg | er |
| 05:36.45 | Supaplex | jmg: vga=ask is valid, it'll show you a list |
| 05:36.45 | dondelelcaro | d03boy: sure, it's installed all the way. |
| 05:36.46 | jmg | karsten: netinst |
| 05:36.55 | karsten | jmg: It's so easy to get us confused ;- |
| 05:36.56 | jmg | supaplex: no it wont. i cant read the screen in that mode |
| 05:37.12 | d03boy | dondelelcaro, well when I edited the menu.lst and booted to it, it said it cant find the file |
| 05:37.18 | karsten | jmg: Stable install?⇧ |
| 05:37.18 | d03boy | i saw it in the directory though |
| 05:37.37 | jmg | karsten: yes |
| 05:37.39 | dondelelcaro | d03boy: it can't find /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15 or whatever? |
| 05:37.44 | dondelelcaro | d03boy: do you have a separate boot partition? |
| 05:37.54 | d03boy | i dont know |
| 05:37.56 | jmg | hmm |
| 05:38.01 | d03boy | i looked in the /boot folder and it was there |
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| 05:38.02 | pollywog | success!! |
| 05:38.09 | d03boy | it didnt have a System.map though |
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| 05:38.14 | d03boy | or an initrd |
| 05:38.17 | jmg | linux26 |
| 05:38.19 | jmg | ? |
| 05:38.32 | d03boy | does have a vmlinuz-2.6.15-1-686 file |
| 05:38.42 | karsten | d03boy: 'mount | grep /boot' |
| 05:38.50 | karsten | pollywog: Party! |
| 05:39.08 | d03boy | nothing showed up |
| 05:39.11 | karsten | jmg: Yes, linux26. |
| 05:39.23 | karsten | jmg: options should be at <f2> <f3>, etc. |
| 05:39.23 | jmg | can someone point me at a list of the boot options? i cant find them in google |
| 05:39.45 | jmg | karsten: ok that works thanks |
| 05:39.57 | pollywog | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2168 |
| 05:40.07 | pollywog | karsten: there is the error |
| 05:40.19 | pollywog | it happens as the debs are made |
| 05:40.25 | jmg | for future reference |
| 05:40.34 | karsten | pollywog: Weird. |
| 05:40.39 | jmg | linux26 debian-installer/framebuffer=no |
| 05:40.50 | karsten | jmg: No slashes. |
| 05:41.00 | pollywog | The UTS Release version in include/linux/version.h |
| 05:41.00 | pollywog | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:41.03 | karsten | jmg: linux26 framebuffer=no |
| 05:41.03 | jmg | karsten: incorrect. |
| 05:41.07 | jmg | karsten: no. |
| 05:41.08 | konfuzed | hey can one change the name of the user root to for instance n00b |
| 05:41.09 | karsten | pollywog: I saw that. |
| 05:41.10 | d03boy | so....... any ideas |
| 05:41.19 | jmg | karsten: read the options on f7 |
| 05:41.21 | pollywog | that is the part that I think should tell us what is wrong |
| 05:41.21 | karsten | konfuzed: Don't do that. |
| 05:41.24 | konfuzed | ok it has to be doable but can this be done during the install |
| 05:41.28 | karsten | jmg: OK. |
| 05:41.43 | konfuzed | so everything else is aware of the name change |
| 05:41.52 | konfuzed | of course the uid would remain the same |
| 05:42.15 | konfuzed | doing after install is certainly very very bad |
| 05:42.30 | karsten | pollywog: Did you do the majick Debian vulcan mind wipe rubber chicken dance with mak-kpkg first? I _think_ kpkg-clean might do that. |
| 05:42.47 | karsten | konfuzed: It's doable. Don't Do That. |
| 05:42.50 | konfuzed | im refering to doing so on my own private server. not something that somebody else would use |
| 05:42.51 | d03boy | im stuck |
| 05:42.56 | d03boy | i have no clue what to do anymore |
| 05:43.04 | pollywog | I did make-kpkg clean |
| 05:43.11 | karsten | konfuzed: If you're an idiot enough to ask that quetsion you're too much of an idiot to work through the ramifications of it. |
| 05:43.16 | konfuzed | karsten, but ive always wanted to and ive got this shiny new box here |
| 05:43.17 | karsten | d03boy: Easy. |
| 05:43.20 | pollywog | after I did the kernel config |
| 05:43.20 | karsten | d03boy: Get unstuck. |
| 05:43.39 | karsten | konfuzed: You can clone the root passwd entry. Installing sash, for example, can do that for you. |
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| 05:43.52 | dondelelcaro | d03boy: either boot off of the 2.6.15 kernel by specifying the proper kernel line in your menu.lst file, or install yaird or similar instead of initramfs to get out of the dependency loop. |
| 05:44.05 | karsten | jmg: I'm d/l'ing the netinst to check out under qemu, give it a few. |
| 05:44.08 | karrot-x | has anyone noticed a problem when building maildrop with debian sarge 3.1? |
| 05:44.21 | karsten | !tell karrot-x about polls. |
| 05:44.30 | karsten | karrot-x: Ask your question. |
| 05:44.48 | karsten | karrot-x: ... specifying the build error or using paster. /msg dpkg paster |
| 05:44.48 | konfuzed | karsten, I dont even want X to run on the box |
| 05:45.07 | Supaplex | shred `which X` |
| 05:45.08 | karsten | konfuzed: That has absolutely nothing to do with root user. |
| 05:45.13 | konfuzed | good |
| 05:45.14 | karsten | Supaplex: Heh. |
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| 05:45.16 | pollywog | karsten: I do see the linux image deb though not the modules one |
| 05:45.17 | d03boy | cant I just use aptitutde to upgrade kernel |
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| 05:46.11 | karsten | pollywog: make-kpkg tracks versions somewhere under a 'debian' subdir of the build tree. That subdir needs to be initialized prior to a build or you can run into problems. I'm thinking that that might be related to your problem. |
| 05:46.15 | karsten | d03boy: Yes. |
| 05:46.18 | konfuzed | so are there any useful docs or guides any where as to how much one can screw around with the root user setup before getting locked out of a box it just hangs |
| 05:46.38 | pollywog | karsten: thanks I will need to Google some more |
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| 05:46.40 | karsten | konfuzed: Tell you what. Experiment and write that doc. |
| 05:46.53 | pollywog | I have done this many times without this problem |
| 05:47.13 | konfuzed | ah man now i'll have to turn to my OpenBSd security freak buddy |
| 05:47.14 | karrot-x | ok, when i try to build maildrop on sarge stable, i get a huge amount of libfam errors; one of which is: In function `FAMOpen2': |
| 05:47.23 | karrot-x | i've searched google and only found one hit for it |
| 05:47.34 | karsten | jmg: Debian install boot parameters are detailed in the Debian Installation Manual, section 5.2: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s02.html.en |
| 05:47.45 | karrot-x | it happend to be a sarge build as well, stating that the libfam.a lib was being used instead of the libfam.so |
| 05:47.52 | konfuzed | i had him convert to debian |
| 05:47.53 | karrot-x | i tried specifying this and nothing has changed |
| 05:48.15 | konfuzed | but he is in withdrawl over pfctl |
| 05:48.29 | karsten | konfuzed: The main issue is that if you start dicking with root's name, you're likely going to find the odd script or utility which thinks it can refer to root user, or /root directory, and failes. |
| 05:48.38 | karsten | konfuzed: ... which is a Bad Thing. |
| 05:49.04 | karsten | konfuzed: You're also going to piss off anyone who has to use your box and finds that root isn't root, for some gratuitous reason. |
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| 05:49.27 | karsten | konfuzed: ... and you've done zilch zarro nada for system security in the meantime. Which i swhy I say Don't Do That. |
| 05:49.28 | konfuzed | i figured it was mostly other programs or pacakges that are stuck on the name root |
| 05:49.43 | d03boy | this dependency loop is pissing me off |
| 05:49.50 | waxiewhite | hey..what is the difference between "apt-get update" versus "apt-get upgrade" ??? |
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| 05:50.02 | karsten | konfuzed: OTOH, if you want to fuck around with your system and investigate the consequences, be my guest. Just don't ask for assistance in bailing yourself out. |
| 05:50.07 | d03boy | update just updates the repository list |
| 05:50.07 | konfuzed | it is largely to piss off other people attempting to use the box |
| 05:50.14 | d03boy | upgrade upgrades the packages |
| 05:50.32 | waxiewhite | d03boy, where is this repository list |
| 05:50.33 | karrot-x | karsten: any ideas? |
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| 05:50.36 | konfuzed | karsten, oh i would keep the install cd handy |
| 05:50.46 | karsten | konfuzed: If you disable remote root access and logins (eg: ssh) you're going to go a long way to that end. Mind that root simply equals UID 0, and there are other paths to that goal. |
| 05:51.01 | karsten | d03boy: Yes, 'aptitude update' updates your package list. |
| 05:51.09 | karsten | d03boy: Oh, you knew that ;-) |
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| 05:51.20 | waxiewhite | d03boy, how about "apt-get install" ??? |
| 05:51.32 | karsten | waxiewhite: /var/lib/apt/lists/ |
| 05:51.44 | karsten | waxiewhite: How about 'man apt-get' |
| 05:52.02 | Azar | waxiewhite: you can learn about it here: http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2005/12/concise-apt-get-dpkg-primer-for-new.html |
| 05:52.26 | karsten | karrot-x: Sounds like an library incompatibility. Where are you getting sources? Do you have the proper headers (dev packages) installed? |
| 05:52.51 | karrot-x | karsten: i did a dependency install of maildrop |
| 05:52.53 | waxiewhite | does Debian have some XPCOM packages we can try on? |
| 05:52.56 | karsten | konfuzed: What's pfctl (OpenBSD)? |
| 05:53.03 | karsten | !tell waxiewhite about search |
| 05:53.05 | karrot-x | karsten: i've tried the sources with apt-get source and going to couriers website |
| 05:53.37 | DeadlySin3 | Where can I learn more about X Window Managers? |
| 05:53.49 | waxiewhite | guys, does anybody here doing some XPCOM? |
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| 05:54.16 | karsten | DeadlySin3: google 'window managers for x' |
| 05:54.21 | karsten | !xwinman |
| 05:54.22 | dpkg | from memory, xwinman is <URL:http://www.PLiG.org/xwinman/> |
| 05:54.41 | konfuzed | pfctl oh right I usually say pf.conf Packet-Filter the firewall envied by cisco made by openbsd |
| 05:54.53 | waxiewhite | can anybody here knows any component-stuff, in Linux...similar to COM in windows? |
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| 05:54.58 | konfuzed | or at least very early in the open source BSD days |
| 05:55.01 | DeadlySin3 | I've tried searching google. I don't know, I guess i'm just picky about my X manager lol |
| 05:55.17 | konfuzed | then again my watch hasnt worked for about 20 years |
| 05:55.22 | karsten | konfuzed: Dig. What happened to it? Or is this the old licensing incompatibility thing from a few years ago? |
| 05:55.24 | waxiewhite | from what i've research, XPCOM comes close... |
| 05:55.27 | d03boy | can someone help me make it so I can boto off my 2.6.15-1 kernel? |
| 05:55.39 | Azar | DeadlySin3: each one has its web site with description: I use openbox3 |
| 05:55.41 | caffei | waxiewhite, KDE's KParts, perhaps |
| 05:55.44 | karsten | DeadlySin3: What 'zactly are you trying to find out about WMs? |
| 05:56.02 | DeadlySin3 | Well, I want to find a good one without having to install them just to see how they work |
| 05:56.02 | dondelelcaro | DeadlySin3: you have a couple choices; openbox, ion3, ratpoison, are pretty much the ones that I would consider |
| 05:56.18 | DeadlySin3 | Never tried openbox. Is it anything like fluxbox? |
| 05:56.22 | waxiewhite | caffei, is KDE using XPCOM or is KPars a different componentation technique? |
| 05:56.28 | karsten | DeadlySin3: That site is a compendium of most used (and unused) WMs, generally with a brief description and some screenshots. Note that screenshots are a really shitty way to convey WM behavior. |
| 05:56.29 | caffei | waxiewhite, different |
| 05:56.46 | karsten | DeadlySin3: Quite like. Most of the *boxes are fairly similar. |
| 05:56.51 | waxiewhite | caffei, thanks...iL check that out soon.. |
| 05:57.00 | Azar | DeadlySin3: you can apt-get install (apackage) and apt-get remove (apackage) when you do not want it anymore |
| 05:57.03 | DeadlySin3 | Cool. i'll have to give that one a go and see what I think of it. |
| 05:57.23 | caffei | blackbox seems to have the most features out of all the *box window managers |
| 05:57.31 | karsten | DeadlySin3: What Azar said. You can easily try out WMs on Debian, find one you like, stick with it. |
| 05:57.32 | waxiewhite | anybody here knows of Mono...which is like the .NET equivalent in Windows? |
| 05:57.34 | caffei | openbox is a bit nicer though |
| 05:57.36 | konfuzed | karsten, dig? as in dig for dns or what? pfctl is envied by cisco because the openBSD license allows cisco to use it as a model to even take the source and close it |
| 05:57.38 | DeadlySin3 | I didn't like blackbox |
| 05:57.47 | DeadlySin3 | Fluxbox was nice but meh. not for me |
| 05:58.11 | konfuzed | cisco has a team dedicated to keeping an on openbsd and their PacketFilter |
| 05:58.16 | karsten | DeadlySin3: In the "what I run" dept: WindowMaker, with vague likes for KDE, ion, xfce4, and fvwm2 |
| 05:58.16 | DeadlySin3 | Some of the others i've ttried were just too flashy |
| 05:58.32 | konfuzed | CARP kicks cisco ass |
| 05:58.43 | karsten | konfuzed: 'dig' usually means "right", when I say it. I said that? |
| 05:58.44 | waxiewhite | does anybody knows the standing between Debian and Ubuntu? |
| 05:58.50 | DeadlySin3 | nice |
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| 05:59.12 | d03boy | dondelelcaro, how do I need to edit this file to make it work? |
| 05:59.13 | karsten | waxiewhite: 7:9, fourth quarter, 3:26 on the clock. |
| 05:59.25 | konfuzed | cisco even uses Asterisk IAX to bypass cisco firewall problems with voip |
| 05:59.30 | karsten | d03boy: With an editor. |
| 05:59.38 | d03boy | karsten, ..... |
| 05:59.40 | DeadlySin3 | You know, you guys have been really helpful this eve. Thanks a lot for your advice and help |
| 05:59.46 | karsten | DeadlySin3: NP. |
| 05:59.48 | waxiewhite | karsten, what do you mean? |
| 06:00.02 | konfuzed | but they dont tell any of there customers that they use * |
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| 06:00.11 | karsten | waxiewhite: I mean what I say, I say what I mean. |
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| 06:00.29 | karsten | konfuzed: Asterix VOIP? |
| 06:00.29 | waxiewhite | karsten, in plain human english..k |
| 06:00.31 | konfuzed | karsten, i can dig that, ive just had to do a lot of other digging lately |
| 06:00.37 | karsten | konfuzed: Dig. |
| 06:00.39 | excelblue | if I want to do the most minimal install possible, and maybe add stuff over the net, should I get netinst or businesscard? |
| 06:00.44 | excelblue | or should I download the 14 huge isos? |
| 06:00.49 | Azar | waxiewhite: karsten answered your silly question |
| 06:00.53 | karsten | excelblue: Doesn't matter. Either will work. |
| 06:01.03 | excelblue | ok, so I probably want to get the smallest one then, right? |
| 06:01.08 | karsten | excelblue: the businesscard is a smaller initial d/l but may not boot some systems. |
| 06:01.12 | karsten | excelblue: Right. |
| 06:01.16 | karsten | excelblue: ... the smallest one that works ;-) |
| 06:01.32 | waxiewhite | tsk tsk...tsk....no wonder..why... |
| 06:01.43 | konfuzed | I just mentioned the asterisk to point out that cisco uses it to bybass cisco firewalls when cisco firewalls interfere with cisco voip solutions |
| 06:01.45 | waxiewhite | krici nejni drata do. |
| 06:01.47 | excelblue | heh, after it's installed, will it be able to be very versatile |
| 06:01.50 | karsten | excelblue: FWIW, I'm working from a box I installed from a Potato 2.2 base tarball a few weeks ago, and updated. That's about 15 MB, but more work's involved. |
| 06:01.57 | excelblue | since what I plan to do here is to base a livecd off a debian install |
| 06:02.05 | karsten | konfuzed: Heh. |
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| 06:02.26 | excelblue | so I want the install to work on as much network cards as possible |
| 06:02.48 | karsten | excelblue: OK. |
| 06:02.58 | waxiewhite | Azar, i just got several CDs from Ubuntu...and im to distribute it. Does Debian have same service? |
| 06:03.03 | karsten | excelblue: IIRC there's a few livecd construction packages in Debian. |
| 06:03.15 | karsten | waxiewhite: Not centrally managed by the project, no. |
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| 06:03.24 | karsten | !ubuntu |
| 06:03.24 | dpkg | Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntulinux.org and/or visit #ubuntu, right here on IRC. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
| 06:03.25 | dondelelcaro | waxiewhite: we're not a company, so no. There are people who sell Debian cds, hthough. |
| 06:03.27 | Azar | waxiewhite: no, Debian is not Ubuntu and Ubuntu is not Debian: they are different |
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| 06:04.09 | karsten | waxiewhite: There are people who distribute / provide Debian install media either gratis or for a charge. There's no centralized project for same. |
| 06:04.16 | Azar | I like that explanation dpkg |
| 06:04.16 | Red_Cloud | I am presently installing Bastille firewall and want to configure it to use the perl tk graphical interface. The command that I must use to invoke the configuration for the graphical interface is bastille -x --os (version) but I do not know what the version would be for Etch. The example given by usage message for Bastille for os is *RH6.0*, which is mostly Greek to me. Advice? |
| 06:04.20 | excelblue | karsten: got some heads up on what those might be? |
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| 06:04.42 | excelblue | and debian-testing is very updated, right? |
| 06:04.42 | karsten | excelblue: apt-cache search <expression> |
| 06:04.53 | karsten | excelblue: Stable + 10 days - bugs. |
| 06:04.58 | karsten | excelblue: s/stable/unstable/ |
| 06:05.00 | KeyserSoze | how do you set a service (like samba) to start on boot in debian? |
| 06:05.11 | karsten | KeyserSoze: Install it. It will. |
| 06:05.17 | karsten | KeyserSoze: man sysvinit |
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| 06:05.45 | karsten | KeyserSoze: Um. 'apt-cache show sysvinit' |
| 06:05.56 | KeyserSoze | ah, that explains it :D |
| 06:06.11 | waxiewhite | if i cut my current "apt-get upgrade", will this continue later when i reconnect??? |
| 06:07.16 | waxiewhite | can i do "apt-get install" without internet connection ?? |
| 06:08.20 | karsten | waxiewhite: Yes. |
| 06:08.33 | Red_Cloud | waxiewhite, it would seem that if you have your sources.list configured to refer to the CDs |
| 06:08.52 | karsten | waxiewhite: ... and you should be able to do the install off cached packages w/o a live link, unless you've got apt-listbugs or similar configured. |
| 06:09.11 | excelblue | is there a mirror for cdimage.debian.org? |
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| 06:09.34 | d03boy | ok people |
| 06:09.44 | karsten | waxiewhite: You can kill apt-get in the download phase w/o fear. If you're actually installing and configuring packages, you may get it a bit confused, there are reasonably sane ways to recover. |
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| 06:09.56 | Fear_cult | where do you set your default stuff like when i click on a link it opens firefox instead of epiphany or whatnot |
| 06:10.09 | d03boy | i have teh vmlinuz file for my kernel but none of the other files that are apparently needed to boot with grub. WTF do I do? |
| 06:10.12 | d03boy | i'm stuck |
| 06:10.16 | d03boy | and I need some help |
| 06:10.27 | karsten | d03boy: 'grub-install' |
| 06:10.32 | Fear_cult | d03boy, did you build your own kernel? |
| 06:10.38 | karsten | d03boy: ... and/or install the kernel you just built. |
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| 06:10.45 | d03boy | Fear_cult, I apt-get linux-image-2.6.asdfasdfasfadfkadjlkajf wahtever |
| 06:10.47 | karsten | d03boy: 'dpkg -i <kernel package>.deb |
| 06:10.49 | d03boy | except it didnt fully work |
| 06:11.01 | karsten | d03boy: Use dpkg, not apt-get. |
| 06:11.11 | d03boy | where is this .deb you speak of? |
| 06:11.20 | karsten | d03boy: apt-get is for packages (named), dpkg is for .deb files (with the .deb extension). |
| 06:11.27 | d03boy | ..i know |
| 06:11.27 | karsten | d03boy: Should be in the build directory or its parent. |
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| 06:11.37 | d03boy | where is the build directory? |
| 06:11.37 | karsten | d03boy: /usr/src/linux typically. |
| 06:11.40 | Fear_cult | ok so you apt'd linux-image and the initrd and stuff isint in /boot and it dident edit /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 06:11.42 | karsten | d03boy: Where you put it. |
| 06:11.50 | d03boy | Fear_cult, basically, yes |
| 06:11.55 | d03boy | karsten, I used apt-get to get it |
| 06:11.57 | Fear_cult | there shouldent be a .deb package if he apt'd it |
| 06:12.12 | Fear_cult | now if it was the source then yes itd go to /usr/src as a bzipped file |
| 06:12.23 | karsten | d03boy: Oh, I thought you'd built your own. |
| 06:12.59 | d03boy | i'm stuck in a dependency loop with no way to get out |
| 06:12.59 | karsten | d03boy: dpkg --get-selections | grep linux-image |
| 06:13.07 | karsten | d03boy: Paste the loop. |
| 06:13.12 | Fear_cult | d03boy, have you try'd purging and reinstalling |
| 06:13.13 | karsten | !tell d03boy about paster |
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| 06:13.46 | d03boy | linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 install |
| 06:14.00 | d03boy | Fear_cult, I dont even know |
| 06:14.13 | d03boy | what would you like me to try first |
| 06:14.36 | Fear_cult | karsten, wants to know what the loop is |
| 06:14.38 | karsten | d03boy: OK. Should have dumped a bunch of files in /boot. 'dpkg -L linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 | grep /boot' |
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| 06:15.02 | Fear_cult | personally id dpkg --purge linux-image-2.6.15 then apt-get install linux-image-2.6.15 |
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| 06:15.17 | karsten | d03boy: Reattempt the install/update/whatever that's looping. Save output to a file. Paste that file to http://channels.debian.net/paste |
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| 06:15.51 | hanasaki | runing etch adn gnome 2.12 - when i put in a cd and open it w/ nautilus it mounts as root and then I cant eject it as the normal user that is using nautilus... |
| 06:16.19 | d03boy | k |
| 06:16.27 | helter | hello, is there any program by which I can see who's connected to my wireless network, right now i just ping random ips within the range of possible of ips.But I'm sure theres a much more shophisticated way |
| 06:16.33 | karsten | d03boy: BTW, /boot files should include something like this: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2169 |
| 06:16.50 | Fear_cult | helter, check your router? it shows the MAC adresses |
| 06:17.04 | karsten | helter: Should be able to see MAC / ARP addresses. |
| 06:17.18 | helter | and what can i do with it? |
| 06:17.35 | karsten | helter: What's serving WiFi? Linux box or HW wireless hub? |
| 06:17.45 | helter | wireless router |
| 06:17.50 | karsten | helter: For the latter, RTFM on your WiFi hub box. |
| 06:17.52 | Red_Cloud | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:17.52 | Red_Cloud | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:17.57 | Fear_cult | well your laptop or whatever you want connected's mac addys should be there if someone elses is there then someone is on your router without your knoladge adn you can hide your ESSID and setup wep/wpa passwording |
| 06:18.00 | karsten | helter: Prolly through its management interface. |
| 06:18.25 | karsten | helter: cat /proc/net/arp may tell you something locally as well. |
| 06:18.35 | d03boy | karsten, it did show something like that. |
| 06:18.36 | Red_Cloud | Also ERROR: Cannot use X interface because $DISPLAY not set. How do I correct this? |
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| 06:18.47 | helter | i just came home and found that my mother had wifi at home, but she has no encryption at all, so i guessed that everyone in the neighboorhood is using. just wanted to find out |
| 06:18.59 | rabies | WPA2! |
| 06:19.00 | rabies | =D |
| 06:19.01 | Fear_cult | check the router's logs |
| 06:19.12 | karsten | d03boy: OK, I'm a tad lost on where you were having problems, but ensuring things are properly installed is a good start. |
| 06:19.16 | Gnea | helter: the router can tell you what mac's are connected and which ones have ip's |
| 06:19.20 | karsten | helter: Could be. Depends. |
| 06:19.28 | rabies | helter, whats up? |
| 06:19.34 | Gnea | helter: or just ping the broadcast and see what responds from your client |
| 06:19.35 | Fear_cult | bah personally i allow people to use my wifi i dont care |
| 06:19.52 | rabies | karsten: that deserves a slap on the wrist! |
| 06:20.08 | helter | mmm... you mean pinging the broadcast ill get responses from everyone connected |
| 06:20.23 | rabies | helter: check the windows samba network |
| 06:20.27 | Gnea | helter: if they're not firewalled |
| 06:20.27 | karsten | rabies: Slap me there or slap me elsewhere... |
| 06:20.31 | Fear_cult | karsten, i did that before had cable wasent worth it signal was too intermittent |
| 06:20.36 | rabies | helter: 99% of people have at least 1 folder shared, even if pass protected |
| 06:20.37 | karsten | helter: In theory. |
| 06:20.45 | d03boy | karsten, before, when I tried to boot from the new kernel it said it couldnt find the file |
| 06:20.48 | rabies | karsten: uh... |
| 06:20.49 | karsten | Fear_cult: It's not the best, OTOH, it's cheap. ;-) |
| 06:20.52 | Fear_cult | yeah |
| 06:20.56 | Fear_cult | it is |
| 06:20.57 | rabies | karsten: you cali people are strange... |
| 06:21.02 | Fear_cult | i was on dialup and needed to dist-upgrade my debian |
| 06:21.05 | Fear_cult | so i stole some wifi |
| 06:21.07 | karsten | d03boy: 'grub-install; update-grub; shutdown -r now' |
| 06:21.12 | rabies | Fear_cult: lol |
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| 06:21.17 | konfuzed | karsten, I like your pros and cons aproach |
| 06:21.17 | d03boy | k |
| 06:21.19 | Fear_cult | karsten, he dosent need to reinstall grub |
| 06:21.23 | Fear_cult | grub auto finds stuff |
| 06:21.31 | d03boy | karsten, will that edit the menu.list also? |
| 06:21.40 | Red_Cloud | abrotman, I am presently installing Bastille firewall and want to configure it to use the perl tk graphical interface. The command that I must use to invoke the configuration for the graphical interface is bastille -x --os (version) but I do not know what the version would be for Etch. The example given by usage message for Bastille for os is *RH6.0*, which is mostly Greek to me. Advice? |
| 06:21.45 | Fear_cult | the apt-get install of the kernel should edit the menu.lst |
| 06:21.52 | d03boy | i'll look at it to see |
| 06:21.56 | hanasaki | how can i get my cd to automount when it is accessed in nautilus? it automounts now under root even though I am a regular user . then eject fails |
| 06:22.08 | karsten | d03boy: Mind: that *will* reboot your system. |
| 06:22.08 | karsten | feShouldn't hurt. |
| 06:22.17 | karsten | d0No, it won't, but Debian installed kernels are automatically updated by 'grubupdate-grub' |
| 06:22.18 | d03boy | ok |
| 06:22.20 | Gnea | Red_Cloud: RTFM - does it have any notes for debian? |
| 06:22.28 | d03boy | check this out, my menu.lst has not changed |
| 06:22.31 | d03boy | it only has my old kernels |
| 06:22.52 | Fear_cult | and your doing apt-get install blah right |
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| 06:22.56 | d03boy | ya |
| 06:23.04 | helter | karsten and Gnea: pinged the broadcast, only responded myself. Guess nobody is connected then :-(. thx 4 the advice. |
| 06:23.04 | Fear_cult | what version are you running |
| 06:23.07 | Fear_cult | etch or sarge |
| 06:23.14 | d03boy | linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 is already the newest version. |
| 06:23.14 | d03boy | testing |
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| 06:23.42 | Fear_cult | i just installed etch and it has 2.6.15 automaticly as the default kernel |
| 06:23.54 | Fear_cult | type /exec -o uname -a in this window |
| 06:23.55 | Gnea | helter: you're just gonna stop at pinging? okay. |
| 06:24.12 | helter | yeah |
| 06:24.21 | d03boy | i'm on windows here |
| 06:24.22 | d03boy | but.. |
| 06:24.26 | d03boy | i am running 2.6.11 |
| 06:24.29 | helter | btw, has anyone installed the new Xgl on ubuntu? |
| 06:24.35 | d03boy | 2.6.11-1 |
| 06:24.37 | Fear_cult | helter 192.168.0.1 or 192.168.1.1 for your router just look at the logs |
| 06:24.39 | d03boy | 686 |
| 06:24.42 | karsten | helter: Looks like you're all alone in the world. |
| 06:24.46 | konfuzed | ping broadcast does not always return all devices on the network |
| 06:24.46 | Gnea | !tell helter about ubuntu |
| 06:24.56 | helter | oh yeah, i just got to figure out the interface of my router |
| 06:25.04 | helter | im not sure it will accept telnet |
| 06:25.04 | Fear_cult | d03boy, im not sure man did you purge and reinstall? |
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| 06:25.10 | d03boy | Fear_cult, no |
| 06:25.13 | d03boy | because I dont know how |
| 06:25.14 | Fear_cult | helter, not telnet |
| 06:25.25 | Fear_cult | d03boy, dpkg --purge linux-image-2.6.15 |
| 06:25.28 | Gnea | helter: most routers these days have some sort of web interface |
| 06:25.30 | Red_Cloud | Gnea, I have read the manual etc and am trying to follow its instructions. I only need to discover what version that Etch might be. Thanks for the inquiry |
| 06:25.33 | helter | tell me then Fear_cult |
| 06:25.34 | helter | yeah |
| 06:25.44 | cast | just so i know...if i install the debian etch linux-image-2.6 in debian sarge, will my world explode? |
| 06:25.56 | Fear_cult | helter, pull it up in a web browser |
| 06:26.00 | helter | ok |
| 06:26.17 | cast | [I need essiv, which is only in later versions of linux 2.6] |
| 06:26.36 | Gnea | Red_Cloud: well, it'd be Debian... I don't have that program installed (i do everything by hand) so I don't know what the choices would be... I'd take a look at what's there and choose the latest |
| 06:26.39 | Supaplex | karsten: funny that. I'm toturing $someUnanmedNonFreeOS in qemu right now. |
| 06:26.40 | karsten | cast: Possibly. |
| 06:26.42 | d03boy | dpkg: error processing linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 (--purge): subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 128 |
| 06:26.45 | konfuzed | karsten, which os is the qemu running from ?? |
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| 06:26.52 | Fear_cult | wtf |
| 06:26.54 | d03boy | i dont think i've had one goddamn command run seccessfully today |
| 06:27.02 | karsten | cast: ... Kernel packages shouldn't be too horribly release-specific though. |
| 06:27.04 | orth | cast, google for linux-image-2.6 backport sarge |
| 06:27.16 | Gnea | d03boy: how about ls? :) |
| 06:27.20 | konfuzed | hey I was told kernel upgrades never go wrong |
| 06:27.21 | karsten | konfuzed: debian. |
| 06:27.22 | konfuzed | ;^) |
| 06:27.31 | d03boy | Gnea, thats probably abou tall |
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| 06:27.33 | Supaplex | that's what kernel-package was created for. |
| 06:27.36 | Red_Cloud | Gnea, then let me try bastille -x --os version Debian and see if that solves my problem |
| 06:27.43 | Gnea | d03boy: it's a start |
| 06:27.44 | konfuzed | karsten, I didnt want to be rpesumptious |
| 06:27.55 | Gnea | Red_Cloud: i ain't stoppin' ya |
| 06:28.00 | d03boy | so i've been trying to solve this damn problem for hours |
| 06:28.05 | d03boy | i've had liek 5 people try and help me |
| 06:28.11 | d03boy | it started otu with just installing nvidia drivers |
| 06:28.13 | Gnea | !beer d03boy |
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| 06:28.18 | d03boy | ah thanks |
| 06:28.21 | karsten | konfuzed: I use qemu to test stuff out quickly, eg: boot disks and all that. |
| 06:28.26 | Gnea | just got back from the store myself |
| 06:28.27 | Red_Cloud | Gnea, thanks for making this a pleasant experience. Have a good night. |
| 06:28.35 | karsten | d03boy: Sounds like the start of a bar story. |
| 06:28.38 | Gnea | Red_Cloud: good luck with that |
| 06:28.43 | konfuzed | karsten, have you installed any windows os with it |
| 06:28.53 | karsten | Gnea: Heh. |
| 06:28.53 | orth | d03boy, anything before that error? |
| 06:28.53 | konfuzed | or in qemu |
| 06:28.56 | d03boy | orth, ya |
| 06:29.21 | Gnea | karsten: heh, mythtv decided to uninstall itself the other day... weirdest thing ever i tell ya ;) |
| 06:29.23 | konfuzed | id rather take this new box and make it run everything in qemu |
| 06:29.28 | karsten | konfuzed: I did a Win NT 4.0 workstation install once. |
| 06:29.31 | konfuzed | instead of dual boot |
| 06:29.39 | konfuzed | mmm |
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| 06:30.25 | d03boy | hmm.. |
| 06:30.25 | d03boy | did the bot post my link? |
| 06:30.25 | karsten | konfuzed: .. just for shin'ngrits. |
| 06:30.25 | Gnea | d03boy: your link? |
| 06:30.25 | karsten | Feh. |
| 06:30.25 | Gnea | feh rocks. |
| 06:30.25 | konfuzed | oh crap I have to say, I better simplify this dual boot scenario |
| 06:30.32 | karsten | Massive lag. "shins'n'grits' was what I meant. |
| 06:30.45 | karsten | d03boy: Self-serve. Past it yourself. |
| 06:30.46 | d03boy | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2171 |
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| 06:30.59 | konfuzed | 1 drive 2 partitions (plus swaps) and just leave it at that |
| 06:31.02 | karsten | Gnea: *fbog* There *is* a feh package. |
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| 06:32.11 | Gnea | karsten: you didn't know that? shiat, it was one of the first Imlib2 programs :) |
| 06:32.12 | konfuzed | hes got this 250Gig sata drive for data an 80gig for the dual boot system drive |
| 06:32.15 | orth | d03boy, just to rule out something obvious, your boot partition is fairly big? or it's on your root? |
| 06:32.29 | d03boy | its on my root |
| 06:32.34 | d03boy | plenty of space.... |
| 06:32.38 | konfuzed | uhm can vfat handle a 250GB dirve? |
| 06:32.51 | konfuzed | err does fat32 handle the 250 gig drive |
| 06:32.53 | Gnea | d03boy: what is the output of: cat /proc/version |
| 06:33.08 | d03boy | Linux version 2.6.11-1-686 (dilinger@mouth) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-8)) #1 Sun Apr 3 06:20:48 EDT 2005 |
| 06:33.16 | Gnea | konfuzed: dunno, try it and see |
| 06:34.12 | Gnea | d03boy: okay, have you tried just: apt-get remove linux-image-2.6.15 ? |
| 06:34.18 | d03boy | no |
| 06:34.23 | Gnea | why not? :) |
| 06:34.36 | karsten | d03boy: You want to find out why your postinst / post-removal script is failing. Try running that manually. |
| 06:34.44 | d03boy | Package linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 is not installed, so not removed |
| 06:34.45 | karsten | konfuzed: I think vfat is limited to sizes below that. |
| 06:34.55 | Gnea | there you go! |
| 06:35.08 | Gnea | it's not installed, so there's no postrm script |
| 06:35.12 | d03boy | ...lmfao |
| 06:35.12 | Gnea | thus, dpkg --purge fails |
| 06:35.17 | d03boy | i have tried installing it multiple times |
| 06:35.18 | Gnea | thank you, come again |
| 06:35.24 | Gnea | !beer d03boy |
| 06:35.28 | d03boy | its not installed, but it is |
| 06:35.31 | d03boy | apparently |
| 06:35.34 | Gnea | wait. |
| 06:35.48 | Gnea | what leads you to believe that it is installed? |
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| 06:36.02 | d03boy | should I try to install it and show you the output? |
| 06:36.03 | dondelelcaro | just dpkg --configure -a; if you've got a problem purging something. |
| 06:36.14 | Gnea | naw, just answer the question :) |
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| 06:36.26 | d03boy | because I told apt-get to install it |
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| 06:36.37 | d03boy | and someone asked "so... what is the problem?" when I showed the output |
| 06:36.44 | Gnea | okay |
| 06:36.52 | d03boy | which lead me to believe that it installed |
| 06:36.57 | Gnea | have you checked to see what files that .deb holds? |
| 06:37.00 | orth | yah do what dondelelcaro suggests, I think the problem is the installing |
| 06:37.09 | orth | with udev and initramfs-tools |
| 06:37.10 | konfuzed | is there any worthwhile differences (Pros/Cons) to formatting via debain a 250GB VFAT vs formatting vs XP FAT32 |
| 06:37.11 | Gnea | and have you checked to see if those files are indeed in place on the filesystem? |
| 06:37.22 | karsten | d03boy: 'dpkg --get-selections' will list what's currently installed. 'dpkg -i <package>' will show a given package's current state. |
| 06:37.28 | konfuzed | is there any worthwhile differences (Pros/Cons) to formatting via debain a 250GB VFAT vs formatting via XP FAT32 |
| 06:37.30 | cast | hmm. if i want to run a mixed sarge/etch system, id set 'APT:Default-Release "stable";' and add etch sources to sources.list. now when i do a aptitude show/search, will that search sarge and etch? and will show show the etch pkg? [iirc i think it goes like that] |
| 06:37.36 | karsten | konfuzed: Not having to boot XP? |
| 06:37.45 | d03boy | ahhhhh |
| 06:37.53 | d03boy | one at a time |
| 06:37.56 | Gnea | d03boy: right now people are sending you off into multiple directions - you can either try 50 different commands or just go straight to the source |
| 06:38.26 | orth | I was looking at this heh http://channels.debian.net/paste/2170 |
| 06:38.36 | karsten | cast: Do *not* mix stable & unstable/testing |
| 06:38.40 | konfuzed | karsten, that would be a benefit however, this is an XP user who is getting his first linux install |
| 06:38.52 | Gnea | !tell cast about backports |
| 06:38.54 | d03boy | ok, well... |
| 06:39.02 | d03boy | which one should I do? |
| 06:39.13 | konfuzed | so at least initially XP will be booted more often |
| 06:39.13 | karsten | konfuzed: There's a "large disk howto" which gives limitations in partition sizes for various filesystems. |
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| 06:39.28 | konfuzed | as in that how to is on debian.org |
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| 06:39.31 | konfuzed | or google |
| 06:39.32 | Gnea | d03boy: ok, clean the plate: have you checked to see what files that .deb holds? and have you checked to see if those files are indeed in place on the filesystem? |
| 06:39.35 | konfuzed | ;^) |
| 06:39.38 | karsten | konfuzed: ... and FAT sticks in my mind as having a number of limitations around 32 / 64 / 128 MB and possibly others. |
| 06:39.54 | d03boy | Gnea, no because I dont know how |
| 06:39.58 | karsten | konfuzed: Remember, FAT originated when 512K was a pretty standard disk size. |
| 06:40.09 | Fear_cult | how do you edit like what browser aim/thunderbird/irc and whatnot uses by default |
| 06:40.14 | Gnea | d03boy: dpkg -L <packagename> |
| 06:40.18 | Fear_cult | its useing epiphany right now i want to use firefox |
| 06:40.31 | konfuzed | i know but linux doesnt write to NTFS so there is little to no option for the data drive |
| 06:40.35 | karsten | Fear_cult: update-alternatives x-www-browser |
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| 06:40.54 | vargux | Hi |
| 06:40.57 | d03boy | Package `linux-image-2.6.15-1-686' does not contain any files (!) |
| 06:41.01 | karsten | Fear_cult: man update-alternatives for details. I think it's 'update-alternatives config x-www-browser' |
| 06:41.04 | konfuzed | cause XP only does fat32 and ntfs |
| 06:41.12 | karsten | d03boy: Bad package, no donut! |
| 06:41.21 | Fear_cult | i thought it was a file in etc to edit |
| 06:41.21 | d03boy | o..k.. |
| 06:41.25 | Fear_cult | dident know it was a package |
| 06:41.34 | karsten | konfuzed: There *are* ext3 filesystem drivers / browsers for XP. |
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| 06:41.45 | Gnea | d03boy: try just linux-image-2.6.15 |
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| 06:42.05 | d03boy | Package `linux-image-2.6.15' is not installed. |
| 06:42.15 | konfuzed | karsten, capable of hadling video capture in XP and crazy shit like that |
| 06:42.31 | konfuzed | the guy is a Film Studio camera guy |
| 06:42.39 | karsten | konfuzed: explore2fs, for starters. |
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| 06:43.00 | karsten | konfuzed: Mind: my view is that dual booting is a Thing Very Much To Be Avoided. |
| 06:43.05 | Gnea | d03boy: ok, try this then: dpkg -S /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-yadablah.deb |
| 06:43.23 | karsten | konfuzed: What do you want to be able to do? |
| 06:43.34 | roderyk | Hello, I have a weird issue. I'm trying to mount an additional harddrive: mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/ |
| 06:43.34 | roderyk | mount: /dev/hdb1 already mounted or /mnt/ busy BUT.. umount /dev/hdb1 |
| 06:43.34 | roderyk | umount: /dev/hdb1: not mounted Is this a hardware issue? Any suggestions? |
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| 06:43.45 | karsten | roderyk: Got a chroot running? |
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| 06:43.55 | konfuzed | i dont really like dual boot either but Im chargin him by the hour for every moment I have to think about Microsoft on his box |
| 06:44.00 | karsten | roderyk: fuser -mv /dev/hdb1 |
| 06:44.06 | roderyk | karsten: no. But my main 2 harddrives are running a raid-1 |
| 06:44.15 | d03boy | dpkg: /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.15-1-686_2.6.15-8_i386.deb not found. <--- I used tab completion |
| 06:44.17 | Gnea | roderyk: mkdir /mnt/hdb1 && mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/hdb1 |
| 06:44.17 | random_ | http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20000321 |
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| 06:44.26 | roderyk | karsten: fuser returns nothing |
| 06:44.37 | konfuzed | 80 GB drive for OSes and 250GB for data. |
| 06:44.39 | random_ | f*** user? |
| 06:44.41 | random_ | awesome command |
| 06:44.46 | karsten | roderyk: Try 'lsof' and grep for it. Any idea where it might be? |
| 06:44.50 | roderyk | Gnea: I tried mkdir /mnt/tmp... same issue |
| 06:44.58 | karsten | random_: Wait 'til you discover slay. |
| 06:45.07 | random_ | karsten: slay? |
| 06:45.08 | konfuzed | id rather do 30GB only for the XP and the rest of that drive as linux and then the 250GB data drive |
| 06:45.12 | random_ | !slay |
| 06:45.12 | Gnea | roderyk: probably because it's already mounted - df will tell you what's up |
| 06:45.18 | random_ | !locate slay |
| 06:45.35 | roderyk | df only returns /dev/md1 and tmpfs |
| 06:45.49 | random_ | karsten: ROFLAMO |
| 06:45.55 | karsten | kingslekoI'm game with that. |
| 06:45.55 | roderyk | oh? lsof|grep hdb ->> hddtemp |
| 06:46.10 | konfuzed | he is super concerned about keeping his data off the system drive |
| 06:46.35 | roderyk | i killed hddtemp just to be sure, but it didn't help |
| 06:46.46 | Gnea | d03boy: ls -l /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.15-1-686_2.6.15-8_i386.deb |
| 06:46.47 | konfuzed | I would have done the 80GB as XP and the 250 as all linux |
| 06:46.54 | konfuzed | uh well |
| 06:47.03 | d03boy | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 15782200 2006-03-06 13:17 /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.15-1-686_2.6.15-8_i386.deb |
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| 06:47.23 | Gnea | d03boy: dpkg --contents /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.15-1-686_2.6.15-8_i386.deb |
| 06:47.23 | konfuzed | ive never put any MS above win98 on my own box |
| 06:47.38 | karsten | konfuzed: http://sourceforge.net/projects/ext2fsd ext2 FS driver for XP. |
| 06:47.41 | d03boy | Gnea, big list of stuff |
| 06:47.46 | konfuzed | if for some reason i thought that i needed a dual boot thats what I would do |
| 06:47.54 | roderyk | any other suggestions for a lost harddrive? I just rebooted the machine, and don't have an entry in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab. |
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| 06:48.20 | karsten | roderyk: That's not lost. |
| 06:48.24 | Gnea | d03boy: dpkg --contents /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.15-1-686_2.6.15-8_i386.deb | grep \/boot |
| 06:48.37 | karsten | roderyk: What device? 'fdisk -l <device>' will show partitions. Mount them manually. |
| 06:48.54 | konfuzed | hm I wonder how I can get real end user feedback on that ext2fsd |
| 06:48.56 | Gnea | d03boy: then ls -l /boot/THIS_FILE_FROM_THAT_LIST do they exist? |
| 06:49.22 | roderyk | karsten: I am trying that. mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/tmp. Same error: device mounted or dir busy |
| 06:49.32 | karsten | konfuzed: Should be a project discussion there. |
| 06:49.36 | konfuzed | Bugs : (23 open / 45 total) |
| 06:49.41 | karsten | roderyk: cat /proc/mounts |
| 06:49.45 | karsten | roderyk: See it there? |
| 06:49.48 | random_ | karsten: you win |
| 06:49.56 | karsten | random_: ? |
| 06:50.10 | random_ | slay |
| 06:50.17 | vargux | ..........anyone works in webpage www.debian.org??? |
| 06:50.20 | karsten | random_: Quite. |
| 06:50.21 | d03boy | Gnea, none exist... even though I swear I saw them earlier (probably disappeared when I attempted a remove) |
| 06:50.23 | roderyk | rootfs / rootfs rw 0 0 |
| 06:50.23 | roderyk | /dev/root / reiserfs rw 0 0 |
| 06:50.23 | roderyk | proc /proc proc rw,nodiratime 0 0 |
| 06:50.24 | roderyk | sysfs /sys sysfs rw 0 0 |
| 06:50.24 | roderyk | usbfs /proc/bus/usb usbfs rw 0 0 |
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| 06:50.25 | random_ | karsten: yep |
| 06:50.32 | karsten | vargux: mailto:webmaster@debian.org |
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| 06:50.41 | Gnea | !tell roderyk about paster |
| 06:50.47 | karsten | vargux: Possibly ask in #debian-devel |
| 06:50.51 | roderyk | woops, I flooded the channel. I apologize |
| 06:50.59 | karsten | !flog roderyk |
| 06:51.00 | cast | ahh. i think i'll just compile my own kernel package :> |
| 06:51.15 | vargux | ...yes karsten |
| 06:51.29 | vargux | i wrote yesterday |
| 06:51.35 | konfuzed | i cant beleive the delays caused by the ads on source forge |
| 06:51.38 | Gnea | d03boy: last ditch effort: ls -l /lib/modules/ <--- is there a 2.6.15* directory? |
| 06:51.45 | karsten | konfuzed: Looks as if that ext2/NT driver is read-only. Wont do much for fileshare. |
| 06:52.09 | karsten | konfuzed: That's why God invented adblock. |
| 06:52.13 | d03boy | Gnea, no directory |
| 06:52.16 | roderyk | cat /proc/mounts >> http://channels.debian.net/paste/2173 |
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| 06:52.50 | karsten | roderyk: I'd say it's not mounted. That's krenel state so it would reflect any chroot mounts. |
| 06:52.54 | Gnea | d03boy: great! grep 2.6.15 /boot/grub/menu.lst <-- how many results? |
| 06:52.56 | karsten | roderyk: Anything in /etc/mtab? |
| 06:53.00 | Alright | what's auto-apt and how can i use it ? |
| 06:53.14 | karsten | Alright: Downright frightening, and many ways. |
| 06:53.21 | roderyk | karsten: nope. just the md1, proc, sysfs, etc |
| 06:53.22 | d03boy | Gnea, no results |
| 06:53.22 | konfuzed | karsten, there is also linux-ntfs is that the same one you refer to? |
| 06:53.36 | roderyk | I've tried this with a second harddrive with the same results |
| 06:53.40 | konfuzed | http://sourceforge.net/projects/linux-ntfs/ |
| 06:54.04 | Gnea | d03boy: there is, without a shadow of a doubt, no 2.6.15 kernel of any kind installed on your system. that is why dpkg --purge fails. there is no problem. |
| 06:54.12 | roderyk | I don't think this is a hardware problem.. my other 2 drives on seperate IDE cables are working fine. |
| 06:54.15 | karsten | Alright: It's a tool which gives you very quick access to APT's package database, including a 'run-as-a-shell' option which will prompt for installation of any packages from which you attempt to access files, which aren't curently installed. |
| 06:54.19 | Alright | karsten do ya know some site that got somethink about ? |
| 06:54.20 | karsten | konfuzed: Not sure, URL? |
| 06:54.20 | d03boy | Gnea, ok, well no I need to install it :) |
| 06:54.21 | konfuzed | oh http://linux-ntfs.org |
| 06:54.30 | karsten | roderyk: OK. Could be just plain horked. Might try a reboot. |
| 06:54.31 | Gnea | d03boy: so install it :) |
| 06:54.34 | konfuzed | http://sourceforge.net/projects/linux-ntfs/ |
| 06:54.38 | konfuzed | same project |
| 06:54.41 | random_ | horked? |
| 06:54.42 | karsten | Alright: apt-cache show auto-apt. |
| 06:54.46 | d03boy | Gnea, apt-get install linux-image-2.6.15-1-686? |
| 06:54.48 | roderyk | karsten: <sigh> I've tried that too :( |
| 06:55.06 | Alright | karsten i see here ... thank ya dude |
| 06:55.08 | karsten | Alright: It's particularly useful when building third-party packages, and you need to find out what source packages to install. |
| 06:55.12 | karsten | Alright: NP. |
| 06:55.16 | roderyk | karsten: my setup may indeed be messed up, I was considering a reinstall. but I need to backup my data on this harddrive :( |
| 06:55.17 | karsten | roderyk: This is a RAID system? |
| 06:55.31 | roderyk | roderyk: yes, the 2 main drives are a software raid-1 |
| 06:55.32 | karsten | roderyk: Not familiar with what pitfalls can happen there. |
| 06:55.36 | karsten | roderyk: Hrm. |
| 06:55.46 | karsten | roderyk: Is /dev/hdb one of the RAID disks? |
| 06:56.04 | roderyk | karsten: no. /hda and hdc |
| 06:56.24 | roderyk | cat /proc/mdstat claims both are working fine |
| 06:56.29 | karsten | roderyk: OK. |
| 06:56.37 | konfuzed | Write support: Last, but not least, the kernel driver now does all sorts of mambo jumbo when mounting a volume R/W. Features come slower than ntfsmount (fuse) but much more stable. |
| 06:56.40 | karsten | konfuzed: That Large Disk HOWTO btw is here: http://www.win.tue.nl/~aeb/linux/Large-Disk.html |
| 06:56.47 | Gnea | d03boy: yeah that'll work |
| 06:56.55 | d03boy | ok... thats what I tried in the first place though |
| 06:57.02 | konfuzed | so is that a yes or no to linux writing to that ntfs with linux-ntfs? |
| 06:57.06 | d03boy | so i'm not really expecting it to work |
| 06:57.10 | konfuzed | it some how was not very explicit |
| 06:57.10 | Gnea | d03boy: so what went wrong? |
| 06:57.18 | d03boy | Gnea, i dont know, wanna see the output? |
| 06:57.43 | konfuzed | anyone here ever use linux-ntfs |
| 06:57.47 | Gnea | d03boy: sure, post it |
| 06:58.14 | random_ | konfuzed: its read-only iirc |
| 06:58.23 | karsten | konfuzed: Not sure. URL? |
| 06:58.30 | d03boy | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2174 |
| 06:58.53 | vargux | ..........anyone here ...that.........works in webpage www.debian.org??? |
| 06:59.02 | karsten | konfuzed: There *is* NTFS write support under Linux through some hacks (captive and ndiswrapper using Windows' own drivers), but it's slow and some reports of bugginess. YMMV, you have been warned, don't run with sissors. |
| 06:59.05 | random_ | vargux: what is your native language? |
| 06:59.08 | karsten | !tell vargux about repeat. |
| 06:59.12 | karsten | vargux: What's your problem? |
| 06:59.36 | d03boy | Gnea, i cant install that dev shit without a new kernel |
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| 06:59.56 | d03boy | unless im mistaken |
| 06:59.58 | Gnea | d03boy: so do what it says to do |
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| 07:00.24 | d03boy | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 07:00.34 | random_ | vargux: habla espanol? no hablo espanol bien |
| 07:00.36 | d03boy | * greenfly|p7k has joined #debian |
| 07:00.36 | random_ | o_o |
| 07:00.37 | d03boy | oops |
| 07:00.44 | d03boy | This version of udev requires a kernel >= 2.6.12, upgrade aborted. |
| 07:00.46 | random_ | d03boy: yay! |
| 07:00.47 | d03boy | I cnat install udev |
| 07:00.54 | random_ | d03boy: why would youw ant to? |
| 07:00.59 | d03boy | i dont know! |
| 07:01.02 | d03boy | you said to do wha it says |
| 07:01.10 | random_ | d03boy: its a kernel enabled option, you enable it when compiling a kernel |
| 07:01.17 | random_ | d03boy: but i dunno why you'd use it |
| 07:01.36 | Gnea | d03boy: yeah, because your running kernel isn't 2.6.12 |
| 07:01.48 | d03boy | so what do I do? |
| 07:01.50 | konfuzed | karsten, http://linux-ntfs.orgvand and http://sourceforge.net/projects/linux-ntfs/ are the same project |
| 07:01.56 | random_ | d03boy: um...roll a custom kerenl |
| 07:02.01 | d03boy | ... |
| 07:02.02 | random_ | d03boy: or just dont use it |
| 07:02.06 | d03boy | lmfao |
| 07:02.08 | Gnea | random_: he doesn't know how |
| 07:02.11 | random_ | !tell d03boy about kp mantra |
| 07:02.17 | d03boy | what is kp mantra? |
| 07:02.25 | konfuzed | so slow means that would suck for a data drive and not likely work at all for video capture |
| 07:02.27 | hax | does anyone know what that google maps site is called that lets users from irc channels and stuff post where they are and leave a comment? |
| 07:02.28 | d03boy | i've jumped through so many damn hoops today its not even funny |
| 07:02.29 | cast | oh. so the backports.org kpkg is handled by the debian kernel team? that makes things a bit different :> |
| 07:02.40 | random_ | d03boy: do: apt-get install kernel-source, then make menuconfig or make gconfig or make kconfig |
| 07:02.45 | random_ | d03boy: actually sec |
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| 07:03.14 | konfuzed | and so FAT32 again becomes the only feasiable option equating to usable for video capture |
| 07:03.14 | karsten | konfuzed: Per MSFT, you can create FAT32 partitions of up to 32 GB. I think Linux supports larger. |
| 07:03.24 | karsten | konfuzed: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/reskit/c13621675.mspx |
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| 07:03.38 | random_ | d03boy: do it this way: http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_vserver_debian or this way: http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_kernel2.6_compile/ |
| 07:03.50 | random_ | d03boy: both ways work, and both arent too hard as long as you know what hardware you are running |
| 07:03.56 | Gnea | d03boy: sounds like a good way to go |
| 07:04.06 | random_ | d03boy: just ignore any mentions of backports |
| 07:04.11 | random_ | d03boy: sarge has all the 2.6 tools |
| 07:04.20 | karsten | konfuzed: "In theory, FAT32 volumes can be about 8 terabytes; however, the maximum FAT32 volume size that Windows XP Professional can format is 32 GB." |
| 07:04.26 | random_ | d03boy: start from the beginning, what is your problem? |
| 07:04.28 | Gnea | d03boy: aren't you running etch? |
| 07:04.30 | karsten | konfuzed: So the question becomes "what can Linux format..." |
| 07:04.38 | random_ | Gnea: its in everything newer then woody |
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| 07:04.53 | d03boy | random_, i just want to install the nvidia drivers using apt-get lmfao |
| 07:04.59 | d03boy | Gnea, yes etch |
| 07:05.03 | random_ | d03boy: well why didnt you say so! |
| 07:05.06 | Gnea | random_: what? |
| 07:05.06 | random_ | d03boy: you dont need udev |
| 07:05.14 | random_ | d03boy: you dont even need a custom kernel |
| 07:05.14 | d03boy | random_, i have no effing clue how udev got there k? |
| 07:05.17 | random_ | d03boy: lol |
| 07:05.19 | d03boy | i dont knwo how to get rid of it |
| 07:05.21 | random_ | d03boy: apt-get -f install |
| 07:05.21 | d03boy | its just 'there' |
| 07:05.26 | d03boy | i typed that |
| 07:05.29 | random_ | d03boy: and? |
| 07:05.30 | d03boy | it gives me errors |
| 07:05.35 | d03boy | I need kernel 2.6.12 to intall it |
| 07:05.36 | random_ | d03boy: dpkg --purge udev |
| 07:05.40 | karsten | konfuzed: Trying to see if I can do a 40 GB vfat filesystem. |
| 07:05.48 | karsten | konfuzed: ... on a sparse file. Hrm. |
| 07:05.53 | random_ | d03boy: whats the name of the filesystem? |
| 07:06.02 | d03boy | um |
| 07:06.06 | d03boy | ext3? |
| 07:06.08 | random_ | d03boy: er, package |
| 07:06.09 | random_ | sorry, heh |
| 07:06.20 | random_ | d03boy: the udev package |
| 07:06.25 | random_ | d03boy: do dpkg --pruge udevpackagename |
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| 07:06.26 | d03boy | udev |
| 07:06.31 | random_ | --purge |
| 07:06.33 | random_ | whats dpkg say? |
| 07:06.35 | Gnea | random_: pay attention: he's trying to install 2.6.15, his running kernel is 2.6.11 |
| 07:06.41 | random_ | Gnea: gah?? |
| 07:06.44 | random_ | Gnea: why?!? |
| 07:06.48 | d03boy | it purged them |
| 07:06.53 | konfuzed | shite I need a break before I pop in that xp install disc |
| 07:06.54 | random_ | d03boy: good |
| 07:06.58 | random_ | d03boy: apt-cache search nvidia |
| 07:06.59 | karsten | konfuzed: Feh. Can't create a 4 GB file... |
| 07:07.04 | random_ | d03boy: paste the output into #flood |
| 07:07.06 | konfuzed | yeah fuck |
| 07:07.13 | konfuzed | 2 GB file suze I new that |
| 07:07.14 | Gnea | now, does etch have kernel-images from 2.6.1[2-4]? |
| 07:07.17 | d03boy | you're the 10th person to help me |
| 07:07.23 | d03boy | i've explaind the same thing at least 20 times today haha |
| 07:07.28 | random_ | d03boy: just trust me |
| 07:07.29 | Gnea | random_: obviously, it's the newest shit |
| 07:07.32 | d03boy | k |
| 07:07.45 | konfuzed | but that partition size should not be a problem these days |
| 07:07.47 | random_ | d03boy: you are gonna do it the way i always do it, and the way i always do it always works =P |
| 07:08.40 | karsten | konfuzed: Given I've only got 20 GB local storage max and 10 GB max free filesystem, that's the only option I've got. |
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| 07:09.21 | d03boy | forgot i'm not in xchat :P |
| 07:09.23 | konfuzed | karsten, thanks, your info and links have been hard core. back in 20 |
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| 07:09.42 | random_ | d03boy: :) |
| 07:09.45 | karsten | konfuzed: NP. |
| 07:09.50 | karsten | konfuzed: I try to keep up on this stuff. |
| 07:10.05 | d03boy | i'll stick to pastebins |
| 07:10.08 | random_ | d03boy: kk |
| 07:10.10 | random_ | d03boy: pastebin it |
| 07:10.31 | random_ | d03boy: also give me the uname -r output, your card model, and the version of debian you are running |
| 07:10.39 | d03boy | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2175 |
| 07:10.45 | d03boy | card model? |
| 07:10.56 | random_ | d03boy: nvidia card |
| 07:11.13 | d03boy | 2.6.11-1-686 |
| 07:11.18 | d03boy | running nvidia geforce fx 5600 Go! |
| 07:11.22 | random_ | d03boy: fancy :) |
| 07:11.25 | d03boy | debian testing |
| 07:11.27 | d03boy | in a laptop |
| 07:11.34 | random_ | d03boy: okay |
| 07:11.44 | random_ | d03boy: have you tried using module-assistant yet? |
| 07:11.55 | d03boy | yes -- errors |
| 07:11.56 | excelblue | what's the standard system package in the debian install? |
| 07:12.02 | excelblue | or what kinda stuff does it contain? |
| 07:12.04 | random_ | d03boy: export KSRC=blah? |
| 07:12.13 | d03boy | mmm |
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| 07:12.19 | d03boy | i was following the guide on a page |
| 07:12.23 | d03boy | it was |
| 07:12.31 | d03boy | the m-a a-i nvidia command |
| 07:12.35 | random_ | d03boy: ah |
| 07:12.36 | random_ | d03boy: k |
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| 07:13.12 | Yoshelyn | sorre all |
| 07:13.24 | random_ | d03boy: apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-glx nvidia-glx-dev nvidia-kernel-source |
| 07:14.03 | random_ | d03boy: apt-get install kernel-headers-2.6.11-1-686 |
| 07:14.12 | Yoshelyn | !voice |
| 07:14.12 | random_ | d03boy: if that doenst work, apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.11 |
| 07:14.20 | d03boy | any specific order? |
| 07:14.25 | Yoshelyn | kok sepi sech |
| 07:14.26 | Yoshelyn | ??? |
| 07:14.52 | random_ | d03boy: it d/ling and such? |
| 07:15.05 | Gnea | !english |
| 07:15.05 | dpkg | somebody said english was a language spoken by guys who always write the fscking word: coloUr :), or a loose conglomeration of random words from french, german, and latin, or http://www.unique.cc/ron/estuff.htm or one of the most bastardised languages ever, borrowing from all over the world, or english, motherfucker, do you speak it? or ALL YOUR WORD ARE BELONG TO US!! |
| 07:15.15 | random_ | Gnea: ? |
| 07:15.27 | d03boy | random_, erro |
| 07:15.35 | random_ | d03boy: give me the error |
| 07:15.41 | random_ | d03boy: pastebin, #flood, w/e |
| 07:15.42 | d03boy | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2176 |
| 07:16.01 | Supaplex | ha |
| 07:16.27 | random_ | d03boy: dpkg --purge initramfs-tools |
| 07:16.43 | d03boy | k |
| 07:16.58 | Supaplex | dpkg -i pillow |
| 07:17.28 | random_ | d03boy: that work? or more errors |
| 07:17.30 | Supaplex | !smite /proc/self |
| 07:17.36 | d03boy | worked |
| 07:17.53 | d03boy | the purge worked |
| 07:17.53 | random_ | d03boy: k |
| 07:18.01 | random_ | d03boy: now do the command again w/o the glx stuff |
| 07:18.34 | d03boy | k that worked |
| 07:19.11 | random_ | d03boy: arg...i guess im wrong, debian now requires udev...damn |
| 07:19.17 | random_ | d03boy: well might as well upgrade your kernel |
| 07:19.18 | d03boy | =) |
| 07:19.24 | d03boy | k |
| 07:19.33 | Supaplex | smbdy: sounds kinky. I mean, how will the kids turn out? |
| 07:19.36 | d03boy | if we can get the kernel to work, i might call it a night |
| 07:19.59 | random_ | d03boy: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 07:19.59 | Supaplex | d03boy: I call your night, and raise you a nickel! |
| 07:20.03 | random_ | d03boy: give me your results |
| 07:20.12 | Supaplex | !paste |
| 07:20.12 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 07:20.29 | random_ | d03boy: i hope you have grub |
| 07:20.53 | d03boy | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2177 |
| 07:20.56 | d03boy | i do have grub |
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| 07:21.48 | d03boy | i have a Pentium-M which is a P4 |
| 07:22.02 | EruditeHermit | hey does anyone know why during the boot messages I get *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0xb7f83720 *** |
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| 07:22.48 | Supaplex | EruditeHermit: is there some service starting before that line? |
| 07:22.49 | rabies | d03boy: that was weird |
| 07:22.51 | rabies | d03boy: anyway that work? |
| 07:22.59 | d03boy | rabies, waht work? |
| 07:23.06 | rabies | d03boy: <random_> apt-get install initramfs-tools udev linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 nvidia-kernel-2.6.15-1-686 nvidia-settings |
| 07:23.12 | EruditeHermit | Supaplex: it scrolls too fast |
| 07:23.22 | EruditeHermit | Supaplex: is there some log I can look at to find out? |
| 07:23.37 | Supaplex | EruditeHermit: maybe /var/log/dmesg |
| 07:23.50 | Supaplex | EruditeHermit: or try single user mode |
| 07:24.33 | d03boy | rabies, it worked... somehwo |
| 07:24.37 | rabies | d03boy: mm |
| 07:24.41 | rabies | d03boy: update-grub |
| 07:24.42 | EruditeHermit | Supaplex: ok thanks, I'll reboot and find out |
| 07:24.51 | cahoot | EruditeHermit: might enable bootlogd |
| 07:24.53 | d03boy | done |
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| 07:25.06 | rabies | d03boy: and..yeah |
| 07:25.08 | rabies | d03boy: thats it |
| 07:25.09 | EruditeHermit | cahoot: how? |
| 07:25.19 | rabies | d03boy: well, apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-glx-dev |
| 07:25.25 | rabies | d03boy: prolly want those |
| 07:25.28 | d03boy | rabies, k |
| 07:25.44 | cahoot | EruditeHermit: look in /etc/default/bootlogd |
| 07:25.49 | d03boy | rabies, if this works i'll let you give me rabies |
| 07:25.52 | EruditeHermit | cahoot: thanks |
| 07:26.01 | rabies | d03boy: alright! |
| 07:26.10 | rabies | d03boy: ill send it airmail |
| 07:26.10 | Alright | [rabies]: ^^ |
| 07:26.12 | d03boy | i just spent like 5 hours doing this |
| 07:26.18 | d03boy | and you just figured it out in less than 15 min |
| 07:26.26 | d03boy | you are a smart person it seems |
| 07:26.40 | rabies | took me 3 days =P |
| 07:26.49 | rabies | i've just done it a few time |
| 07:26.49 | rabies | s |
| 07:27.02 | d03boy | well, I had about 10 other people try and help me throughout the day |
| 07:27.08 | d03boy | lost track of them all |
| 07:27.30 | d03boy | will I need to reconfigure x? |
| 07:27.31 | d03boy | thats no fun :\ |
| 07:27.36 | rabies | d03boy: well... |
| 07:27.44 | rabies | d03boy: gotta change the driver from nv or vesa to nvidia |
| 07:27.46 | rabies | d03boy: thats it though |
| 07:27.48 | d03boy | i backed up my old xf86 crap |
| 07:28.00 | rabies | d03boy: in the XF86Config-4 or xorg.conf file |
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| 07:28.10 | d03boy | ya, i had nvidia before |
| 07:28.18 | d03boy | i uninstalled the .bin and decided to do it the debian way |
| 07:28.43 | rabies | d03boy: heh |
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| 07:28.57 | rabies | d03boy: the advantage is that you can have mult kernels w/ different versions |
| 07:28.59 | rabies | d03boy: bout it |
| 07:29.06 | d03boy | cool |
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| 07:29.55 | d03boy | rebooting |
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| 07:31.49 | d03boy | sweeet |
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| 07:31.59 | d03boy | runs nice now |
| 07:32.05 | rabies | cool |
| 07:32.11 | d03boy | thanks |
| 07:32.13 | rabies | so whats your addy again? ;) |
| 07:32.13 | rabies | np |
| 07:32.19 | d03boy | lol |
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| 07:33.26 | cheasie | hi, i am running a server at home and whenever there is a user transmitting files on my user, my computers in the LAN's internet speed will slow down. Is there a way to limit my outgoing speed of my server so it won't take all the bandwith? |
| 07:34.12 | rabies | d03boy: yep...fun stuff to waste your life on ;) |
| 07:34.20 | d03boy | ya |
| 07:34.23 | rabies | !tell cheasie about wondershaper |
| 07:34.38 | rabies | !tell cheasie about trickle |
| 07:34.52 | rabies | i think its called trickle... |
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| 07:40.06 | rabies | hey look, i left |
| 07:40.08 | rabies | goodbye me! |
| 07:42.36 | rabies | and hello random people |
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| 07:44.40 | poks | how do i get "Virtual directory support" enabled in php4 ? |
| 07:45.18 | Gnea | poks: that's an apache feature |
| 07:45.28 | poks | Gnea: thanks |
| 07:45.44 | Gnea | poks: then it'll translate |
| 07:48.28 | cheasie | thank you rabies, it works! |
| 07:48.35 | rabies | cheasie: np |
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| 07:51.48 | d03boy | i cant believe how much smoother fluxbox is running |
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| 07:52.11 | d03boy | thsi makes me enjoy linux again |
| 07:52.23 | LinuxNIT | hey guys i installed kernel 2.6.15 in debian ethc and so i had to use module-assistant to compile the driver for my atheros card. it works but the scanning is kinda scetchy. any idea why? |
| 07:52.34 | mr_claus | hi, i can use my printers with installed cups-client with openoffice but not with firefox |
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| 07:53.54 | rabies | grr |
| 07:53.56 | rabies | this sucks |
| 07:53.58 | rabies | i keep on being d/ced |
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| 07:55.20 | Gnea | rabies: maybe if you didn't talk so much... |
| 07:55.30 | rabies | Gnea: then the world would explode, thats even worse |
| 07:56.30 | Gnea | rabies: how would that be worse? |
| 07:56.33 | rabies | Gnea: besides, talking is theraputic for me |
| 07:56.41 | rabies | Gnea: and i give valid advice ;) |
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| 07:57.02 | rabies | Gnea: finally this is a *_chat_* channel, not a idling channel |
| 07:57.15 | Gnea | rabies: then /msg yourself, you're offtopic. |
| 07:57.23 | rabies | Gnea: ? |
| 07:57.28 | rabies | Gnea: how am i offtopic? |
| 07:57.37 | Gnea | no one cares if you're d/ced |
| 07:57.40 | rabies | ... |
| 07:57.43 | rabies | obviously you care |
| 07:57.57 | Gnea | nope, you're on /ignore now |
| 07:58.01 | rabies | sweet |
| 07:58.04 | rabies | glad thats done with |
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| 07:58.13 | rabies | so... |
| 07:58.21 | rabies | how bout them yankees |
| 07:58.36 | Gnea | !troll rabies |
| 07:58.58 | Lamperi | :o |
| 07:59.06 | rabies | !say What is wrong Gnea? |
| 07:59.06 | dpkg | What is wrong Gnea |
| 07:59.15 | rabies | !say dont you love me anymore? |
| 07:59.15 | dpkg | dont you love me anymore |
| 07:59.29 | rabies | !say i thought we had something special |
| 07:59.29 | dpkg | i thought we had something special |
| 07:59.38 | karsten | rabies: Enough. |
| 07:59.41 | Gnea | !ops rabies is offtopic, a troll and is abusive toward bots |
| 07:59.42 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: rabies is offtopic, a troll and is abusive toward bots |
| 07:59.54 | strider | !abuse |
| 07:59.54 | dpkg | RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again! |
| 07:59.54 | rabies | karsten: mmk, im done ;) |
| 08:00.06 | AlienX | rofl |
| 08:00.10 | rabies | heh... |
| 08:00.19 | Gnea | :) |
| 08:00.33 | rabies | !factinfo abuse |
| 08:00.33 | dpkg | abuse -- created by lange92 <lange92@2067.resnet.uni.edu> at Tue Jul 18 19:20:12 2000 (2069 days); it has been requested 117 times, last by beardy at Sat Nov 26 15:53:20 2005. |
| 08:00.39 | helix | what the |
| 08:00.42 | rabies | hrm...thats broken |
| 08:00.43 | helix | ok, enough with the bot abuse |
| 08:00.44 | karsten | rabies: /msg the bots. |
| 08:00.52 | karsten | helix: Hola. |
| 08:00.56 | helix | hi |
| 08:00.58 | rabies | helix: whats up |
| 08:01.16 | helix | nothing, but my machine is named rabies too |
| 08:01.26 | rabies | helix: sweet...rabies =D |
| 08:01.31 | karsten | helix: Heh. |
| 08:01.36 | rabies | we shall infect the world! |
| 08:02.55 | rabies | the factinfo thingy looks broken |
| 08:03.56 | karsten | rabies: No updates since late November. It's dondelelcaro's bot, ask him. |
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| 08:04.39 | rabies | maybe later if i catch him when hes online |
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| 08:08.29 | dpm | when ruunning sudo on sarge (e.g. 'sudo gedit') I'm always getting the following error: 'Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:' . Any ideas on how to solve that? |
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| 08:09.20 | dpm | echo $DISPLAY for root returns :0.0, so the display should be configured ok, I guess |
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| 08:11.42 | olindinho | yet have computer quantic? |
| 08:12.12 | Gnea | !tell dpm about xhost |
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| 08:13.10 | cahoot | dpm: xbase-clients installed? |
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| 08:14.25 | dpm | cahoot: yes |
| 08:14.47 | dpm | Gnea: what has xhost got to do with my problem? |
| 08:14.48 | cahoot | dpm: can use sux or '(as user) export XAUTHORITY=~/.Xauthority |
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| 08:16.26 | dpm | cahoot: so if I'm not using sux, do I have to export XAUTHORITY every time I want to use sudo? |
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| 08:16.47 | Gnea | dpm: because root can't open the display |
| 08:17.17 | dpm | cahoot: I'm just wondering why sudo works on my other debian box (also with sarge) |
| 08:17.36 | powder | is it possible to install gnome 2.14 in etch? |
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| 08:18.59 | Gnea | powder: if there's a backport |
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| 08:19.21 | random_ | powder: most likely |
| 08:19.24 | strider | powder: Gnome 2.14 hasn't even hit Unstable yet |
| 08:19.25 | random_ | powder: not recomended |
| 08:20.08 | random_ | powder: garnome |
| 08:20.33 | random_ | powder: if you are going to, use that |
| 08:21.07 | powder | random_: never heard of garnome but let me do some research first :) |
| 08:21.11 | random_ | powder: k |
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| 08:22.12 | dpm | cahoot: export XAUTHORITY=~/.Xauthority did not work, I'm getting the same error: Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 08:22.13 | cahoot | dpm: this is in /etc/profile on my system: export XAUTHORITY=/home/$USER/.Xauthority |
| 08:22.40 | random_ | dpm: gotta restart X |
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| 08:26.25 | dpm | random_, cahoot : I've added the export to my profile. I'm going to restart x now... |
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| 08:30.26 | justnulling2 | any dhcpd3 gurus here? |
| 08:31.10 | random_ | no |
| 08:31.44 | random_ | this channel has been dead for about 20 minutes |
| 08:31.49 | dpm | cahoot, adding 'export XAUTHORITY=/home/$USER/.Xauthority' to /etc/profile and restarting the x server did not seem to work. I'm still getting the same error |
| 08:31.53 | random_ | but ask if you want, someone might get back to you |
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| 08:33.23 | karsten | dpm: Use sux. |
| 08:33.45 | karsten | dpm: ... or as root: xauth -merge ~<user>/.Xauthority |
| 08:34.03 | justnulling2 | i want to setup dhcpd with tftp server option (so far i can only get it to work it i use hardware ethernet address per machine that needs tftp info wnat to do it more generally) |
| 08:34.36 | karsten | justnulling2: Trying to setup a PXE boot? |
| 08:35.04 | karsten | nvz: Top o' the. |
| 08:35.04 | nvz | heh |
| 08:35.11 | justnulling2 | karsten: no it is for cisco 7960 ip phone |
| 08:35.28 | karsten | justnulling2: OK. |
| 08:36.06 | karsten | justnulling2: When you say "hw address per machine", you mean a MAC-specific d/l directory or what? |
| 08:36.13 | nvz | my damn cousin called me at a quarter to 3 in the morning for no apperent reason and it was ringing for what felt like days.. then I answer it and he asks me what I am doing.. 03:00:00 Sunday morning.. what would you imagine I am doing.. |
| 08:36.14 | justnulling2 | karsten: i got pxe configured on onther machine (network) it doens't need hardware address to work |
| 08:36.22 | powder | sounds like a pita to install gnome 2.14, i'll stick with 2.12 :D |
| 08:36.32 | karsten | justnulling2: I think you can use 'DEFAULT' or 'default' as the default path. |
| 08:36.45 | karsten | nvz: Heh. |
| 08:36.53 | karsten | nvz: That's why I don't have any family. |
| 08:36.55 | nvz | then asks me why I answered the phone... well I didnt want to see how many rings it took to make the battery go dead |
| 08:37.17 | justnulling2 | karsten: no this is not for the path since the phone always looks for hardcoded files but it needs to be told the ip or tftp server |
| 08:37.40 | powder | karsten: good idea :) |
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| 08:38.04 | karsten | powder: Don't get me started. Really. |
| 08:38.22 | karsten | powder: ... but if you want a starting point, google 'MAAWG' |
| 08:39.12 | nvz | I wish I could file bugs on my phone software.. I found dozens of them not even including wishlist bugs |
| 08:40.02 | dpm | karsten: the point is, I wanted to get sudo working. The option of using sux has already been pointed out to me. BTW, xauth -merge ~<user>/.Xauthority, as in xauth -merge /home/dpm/.Xauthority does not seem to work. Should the syntax not bexauth -f /home/dpm/.Xauthority -merge? |
| 08:40.07 | nvz | I dont remember what char exactly but I think its < if you start a name in the contacts with that char you cant edit the name anymore or something to that effect.. I forget.. it confuses the software |
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| 08:40.48 | mr_claus | i dont can see mimes with nautilus but i have installed gnome-mime-data? |
| 08:40.55 | mr_claus | what could the reason? |
| 08:41.21 | nvz | I sat there figuring out which order of precidence the chars fall in the sort order so I could use them to further organize my contacts. started single quoting friends, double qouting family..etc |
| 08:41.32 | karsten | dpm: 'xauth merge' not 'xauth -merge' |
| 08:41.43 | dpm | yup, thanks |
| 08:42.02 | karsten | dpm: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/01/msg00125.html |
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| 08:45.30 | Spine | apt renamed the unrar package? |
| 08:47.45 | strider | Make sure you have non-free in your sources. |
| 08:48.19 | strider | or use unrar-free |
| 08:51.15 | Spine | ty |
| 08:51.48 | SimonRaven | apt doesn't do anything |
| 08:51.59 | karsten | Anyone having problems with linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 and framebuffer / X, particularly on Thinkpad T21? |
| 08:52.22 | SimonRaven | no |
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| 08:53.32 | unix_infidel | karsten: got tons of people on t2x series thinkpads running various flavors of linux w/o any problems. |
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| 08:54.34 | karsten | unix_infidel: If I boot vga=0318 w/ 2.6.15 or 2.6.8, I get blank screen. |
| 08:54.52 | unix_infidel | karsten: try 775 |
| 08:54.58 | unix_infidel | i find that a nice balance. |
| 08:55.06 | karsten | unix_infidel: 2.6.8 will run X at vga=1 or vga=6 w/o problems. 2.6.15 goes blank and stays that way. |
| 08:55.13 | karsten | unix_infidel: Will try, need to reboot. |
| 08:56.00 | dpm | karsten, doing 'xauth merge /home/dpm/.Xauthorithy' and restarting the x server did not work. Still the same error on 'sudo gedit': Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
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| 08:56.41 | unix_infidel | karsten: what do you mean session save restore recovery? |
| 08:56.43 | SimonRaven | i wish konq had CSS3 support |
| 08:56.55 | karsten | unix_infidel: See Galeon. |
| 08:57.08 | karsten | unix_infidel: It's one of the few features from it that I miss. |
| 08:57.13 | SimonRaven | that's a nice feature, session save |
| 08:57.20 | brlancer | how do I nest env vars in bourne? i.e. x${y}=${a${b}} |
| 08:57.26 | karsten | unix_infidel: "bookmark tabs as folder" comes close. |
| 08:57.35 | SimonRaven | a crappy workaround is bookmarking all the tabs |
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| 08:57.45 | cahoot | dpm: /home/dpm/.Xauthorithy - typo? |
| 08:57.48 | SimonRaven | yeh thta |
| 08:57.59 | unix_infidel | yea i dont care that much about that. |
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| 08:58.16 | karsten | unix_infidel: If you have several score pages open, it's useful. |
| 08:58.33 | karsten | unix_infidel: I tend to keep massive browser state. |
| 08:58.43 | unix_infidel | karsten: i suppose. |
| 08:58.49 | unix_infidel | i'm generally more organized with my browsers. |
| 08:59.00 | unix_infidel | i WOULD however, like to be able to move tabs around in browsers. |
| 08:59.09 | karsten | unix_infidel: Konq/Galeon let you do that. |
| 08:59.20 | unix_infidel | konq isnt fit for web browsing though. |
| 08:59.26 | karsten | unix_infidel: Google 'linux browsers' |
| 08:59.36 | karsten | unix_infidel: We have a difference of opinion. |
| 08:59.58 | karsten | unix_infidel: 3.5.1-1 installed. It's better than Firefox or Galeon IMO. |
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| 09:00.10 | dpm | cahoot, where's the typo? Is this not correct: 'xauth merge /home/dpm/.Xauthority' (directly pasted from the bash history) |
| 09:00.11 | unix_infidel | karsten: iono, but i dont think its a decent web browser. |
| 09:00.14 | unix_infidel | its a fine file manager imho. |
| 09:00.14 | karsten | unix_infidel: I've been running Galeon since ~1999. |
| 09:00.21 | unix_infidel | congrats :) |
| 09:00.38 | karsten | unix_infidel: <shrug> Say what's missing/lacking. BBIMAM. |
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| 09:00.48 | cahoot | dpm: you wrote /home/dpm/.Xauthorit*h*y - hence the q |
| 09:00.54 | dpm | cahoot, ok, I see it now |
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| 09:01.14 | Laidback_01 | if you want a really nice and fast web browser... just use dillo. |
| 09:01.20 | dpm | unfortunately it was only a typo on IRC |
| 09:01.40 | hjubal | hi |
| 09:02.26 | cahoot | dpm: I only have an unhelpful *strange* to offer |
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| 09:02.28 | SimonRaven | dillo is crap if you do web dev |
| 09:02.42 | SimonRaven | well, qualified |
| 09:02.45 | dpm | cahoot, I'm all ears, any strange suggestions welcome |
| 09:02.59 | SimonRaven | if you want to test the page's degradation, it's fine |
| 09:03.18 | SimonRaven | but lynx and w3m do that nicely |
| 09:03.36 | dpm | cahoot, I do not understand why sudo works on one debian box and not on the other, same sarge install |
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| 09:04.48 | cahoot | dpm: tried sux (just for the sake of it)? |
| 09:05.05 | konfuzed | ok pros and kons to this dual boot system. the motherboard is msi but its on board video, the onboard nvidia gpu also has DVI & VGA ports Plus it is capable of working with a second pci-x video card. |
| 09:05.11 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 09:05.11 | dpkg | rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 09:06.06 | konfuzed | does debian support two video cards with pci-express or is that soley upto nvidia drivers |
| 09:06.06 | SimonRaven | !popcorn |
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| 09:06.51 | karsten | unix_infidel: So, what's lacking in Konq? |
| 09:07.12 | karsten | Laidback_01: dillo: fast, yes. Nice, no. |
| 09:07.20 | strider | Knoqueror does save states AFAIK. atleast all the URL's |
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| 09:07.30 | tarzeau | karsten: and links2 -g? |
| 09:07.34 | karsten | strider: How? |
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| 09:08.11 | blackworker | hi :) |
| 09:08.15 | unix_infidel | karsten: i'm just not a big fan of kde apps. |
| 09:08.19 | karsten | tarzeau: Textmode / crossover browsers have their place, but they're not mainstream, full-featured GUI browsers. I use w3m heavily myself. |
| 09:08.29 | unix_infidel | some of them are functional, but konq isnt my cuppa. |
| 09:08.36 | karsten | unix_infidel: Dig. Nice browser though. GNOME is ass. |
| 09:08.40 | tarzeau | karsten: what's crossover? |
| 09:08.51 | blackworker | someone knows when gnome2.14 is available in .deb-packets? |
| 09:08.51 | konfuzed | does debian support two video cards with pci-express or is that soley upto nvidia drivers |
| 09:09.00 | tarzeau | karsten: links2 is a full featured gui browser, it does frames, graphics, bookmarks, download manager and javascript |
| 09:09.03 | strider | karsten: save a profile. I looked into it before sticking with Firefox |
| 09:09.08 | dpm | cahoot, ok, I'll give sux a go, but I just wanted to get sudo working... ;) |
| 09:09.09 | tarzeau | !tell konfuzed about repeat |
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| 09:09.14 | SimonRaven | blackworker: only 2.13 in exp. |
| 09:09.19 | karsten | tarzeau: links/elinks or w3m-img. Initially console /text browsers now with images. |
| 09:09.23 | unix_infidel | karsten: gnome browsers are terrible. yea. |
| 09:09.28 | karsten | tarzeau: No shit? I'll have to take a look. |
| 09:09.30 | blackworker | simonraven, yes thats right :) |
| 09:09.42 | tarzeau | karsten: no shit, since years |
| 09:09.42 | blackworker | and gnome2.14? |
| 09:09.44 | cahoot | dpm: just interesed to know if the principle works |
| 09:09.51 | strider | karsten: Settings-->Configure Profiles |
| 09:09.57 | SimonRaven | blackworker: only 2.13 in exp. |
| 09:10.05 | karsten | unix_infidel: Galeon *used* to be an absolute ass-kicker. It's sadly got GNOME disease and has been folded with Epiphany. |
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| 09:10.11 | SimonRaven | bug the gnome peoapl if you want answers |
| 09:10.14 | SimonRaven | people* |
| 09:10.20 | unix_infidel | iono i use what works. |
| 09:10.24 | blackworker | i have done it :D |
| 09:10.25 | unix_infidel | i dont care if its kde or gnome. |
| 09:10.33 | blackworker | and they says i have ask here |
| 09:10.41 | SimonRaven | what's 'iono'? |
| 09:10.41 | karsten | SimonRaven: You think I haven't? ;-) |
| 09:10.45 | unix_infidel | as long as if something breaks in kmail, it doesnt require me hunting though .kde to find the problem. |
| 09:10.54 | unix_infidel | similarly for .gnome-blah |
| 09:10.57 | SimonRaven | karsten: not you dear |
| 09:11.06 | karsten | strider: Um. I'm confused by that? It doesn't make sense to me. |
| 09:11.17 | karsten | strider: Ah, thanks, darling. |
| 09:11.23 | unix_infidel | and since kmail and konq are intertwined by some stupid reason. i have to just generally delete .kde and reconfigure. |
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| 09:12.00 | karsten | unix_infidel: vga=775 works well, thanks. How'd you find that? |
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| 09:12.11 | SimonRaven | blackworker: tried #debian-gnome of irc.oftc.org (or is it .net?) |
| 09:12.16 | unix_infidel | karsten: that's what i use. |
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| 09:12.21 | SimonRaven | !gnome |
| 09:12.21 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, gnome is a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or - to get gnome, ask about <install gnome> |
| 09:12.26 | blackworker | thx simonraven |
| 09:12.28 | unix_infidel | i didnt think 0318 was standard fb. |
| 09:12.32 | SimonRaven | blackworker: ^^^ |
| 09:12.45 | karsten | unix_infidel: Showed up on 'scan'. |
| 09:12.45 | SimonRaven | the bot's got it |
| 09:13.00 | strider | blackworker: Gnome 2.14 will be available quite soon |
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| 09:13.36 | strider | blackworker: read /topic of #debian-gnome |
| 09:14.00 | karsten | unix_infidel: Oh, problem: at console I'm configured w/ 160 columns, but only 48 visible. Any ideas? |
| 09:14.20 | unix_infidel | karsten: nope. might be your resolution? |
| 09:14.58 | konfuzed | ok the dual boot system with XP will run that dual gpu crap but what about the 250 GB data drive |
| 09:14.59 | blackworker | thx a lot strider :) |
| 09:15.12 | strider | karsten: what dosen't make sense? |
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| 09:15.18 | konfuzed | dual boot sucks cause ntfs sucks |
| 09:15.21 | karsten | unix_infidel: would seem to be thecase |
| 09:15.39 | unix_infidel | karsten: i meant the resolution of the monitor. |
| 09:15.55 | karsten | konfuzed: Try doing a 250 vfat filesystem format from Linux. |
| 09:15.56 | unix_infidel | max vesafb |
| 09:16.00 | karsten | unix_infidel: laptop. |
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| 09:16.07 | unix_infidel | karsten: res? |
| 09:16.10 | karsten | unix_infidel: ?? What's max fesafb? |
| 09:16.11 | konfuzed | 120GB ntfs 120GB ext2 and 10GB swap ;^) |
| 09:16.15 | karsten | unix_infidel: 1024x760. |
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| 09:16.45 | SimonRaven | oh boy ... |
| 09:16.55 | aum | hi - are there any progs for printing large posters, piece by piece on A4 sheets? |
| 09:17.06 | LsD- | hmm any idea as to why I am getting this error? it was fine earlier... 'W: GPG error: http://mirrors.kernel.org unstable Release: Unknown error executing gpgv' |
| 09:17.25 | konfuzed | does debian need any of the first 40GB of the drive? |
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| 09:17.40 | karsten | aum: OpenOffice.org. |
| 09:17.46 | SimonRaven | what? |
| 09:17.52 | konfuzed | i mean for the 80GB install drive, |
| 09:17.53 | ootput | how do you guys get emacs to play well with screen? for instance, how'd you get either's keybinds to co-exist? (C-a , for instance) |
| 09:18.00 | aum | karsten: no go |
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| 09:18.05 | karsten | ootput: Not sure. |
| 09:18.09 | karsten | aum: Why not? |
| 09:18.14 | sobersabre | hi ... 'offtopic' q. what is kernel loading after "Total HugeTLB memory allocated, 0" has been written on the console ? |
| 09:18.16 | aum | karsten: OOo just won't do it |
| 09:18.23 | karsten | ootput: I'd keep emacs off screen if I could help it. |
| 09:18.27 | sobersabre | ( the booting machine gets stuck after this ) |
| 09:18.28 | konfuzed | id put the xp on the first 40 unless debian needs part of it |
| 09:18.34 | aum | i want to print a 2m x 0.6m banner - can't find any linux sw to do it |
| 09:18.37 | dpm | cahoot, 'sux --command=gedit' does not seem to work, either. The only thing it does is to log me in as root, in the same way 'su' does. So after executing 'sux --command=gedit' (and giving the root's password) I simply get the root's prompt. |
| 09:18.48 | karsten | aum: OK, I thought it would. I'd start googling 'tiling' type stuff. Maybe gimp. That's pretty large output. |
| 09:18.58 | aum | gimp won't tile either |
| 09:19.38 | karsten | Oh, and how do you get the penguin image at Linux boot? |
| 09:19.50 | aum | dammit, i'm gonna have to find a lose-dows prog for poster tiling |
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| 09:20.11 | ootput | karsten: i suppose |
| 09:20.33 | ootput | karsten: if only screen wasn't as versatile |
| 09:20.41 | karsten | ootput: You can remap screen's action key. |
| 09:20.41 | strider | karsten: using vesafb |
| 09:20.59 | karsten | strider: ... and that's enabled how? |
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| 09:21.30 | strider | karsten: i did it with a custom kernel. don't know how otherwise :) |
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| 09:22.13 | konfuzed | well if it does need any thats up to the installer to deal with |
| 09:22.55 | konfuzed | it can over write the windows directory if it needs to. |
| 09:23.05 | konfuzed | or just for kicks I suppose |
| 09:23.21 | karsten | stridestrstrier: CONFIG_FB_VESA=m |
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| 09:30.06 | konfuzed | gee that 40GB format is only 85% done |
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| 09:31.24 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 09:31.24 | dpkg | qotd95 is, like, <WiFiTux> Is there a way I could make Doom 3 run faster? I mean, can I run it in a tty, or somewhere else? |
| 09:31.51 | SimonRaven | oh fuck hehehe, i remember that |
| 09:33.06 | karsten | Heh. |
| 09:33.09 | karsten | There *is* aalib. |
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| 09:34.16 | karsten | Hrm. |
| 09:34.25 | karsten | OK, everyone: apt-cache show bbdb |
| 09:34.30 | SimonRaven | mentor: amazing, i think that's the first time your hostname showed as a name instead of just an IP |
| 09:34.41 | SimonRaven | first time i've seen it anyway |
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| 09:34.58 | mentor | SimonRaven: Lies. It's been this for the last 2 moths |
| 09:35.12 | mentor | SimonRaven: I'll be back to an IP tonight though |
| 09:35.27 | cahoot | dpm: sorry to hear - my knowledge only included the export XAUTH.. etc |
| 09:35.33 | SimonRaven | 2 moths? what kind? |
| 09:35.45 | mentor | SimonRaven: The kind that take 30 days to hatch |
| 09:35.50 | justnulling2 | karsten: do out know how to find out the vendor-class-identifier for dhcpd config? |
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| 09:36.19 | SimonRaven | mentor: ;) |
| 09:36.22 | blackworker | SimRaven, what was the server of #gnome-debian again? ;D |
| 09:36.54 | blackworker | SimonRaven ;) |
| 09:37.31 | SimonRaven | !tell blackworker -about gnome |
| 09:37.47 | blackworker | thx again :) |
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| 09:38.12 | SimonRaven | ok |
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| 09:38.58 | SimonRaven | i wish this jabber2 init script worked, or at least there was some README.Debian on what to do with it ... |
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| 09:41.36 | karsten | justnulling2: Um. Not sure. |
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| 09:41.45 | karsten | justnulling2: For a given MAC address? |
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| 09:42.23 | justnulling2 | karsten: for given device |
| 09:42.48 | karsten | justnulling2: Based on what? I'm not intimate with dhcp conf, know bits of it. |
| 09:42.59 | karsten | justnulling2: MAC address space is allocated by IEEE. |
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| 09:43.13 | karsten | justnulling2: You can get vendor assignments from a list maintained by IEEE. |
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| 09:43.21 | justnulling2 | karsten: no not talking aobut mac address |
| 09:43.52 | karsten | justnulling2: Well, now that we're agreed on that, you might be more specific about what you _are_ talking about. |
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| 09:44.47 | justnulling2 | karsten: each vendor puts its info in to the dhcp header (or whatever it is called) so need to figure it out |
| 09:44.50 | unix_infidel | karsten: apt-get install cmatrix :) |
| 09:44.55 | unix_infidel | its friggin awesome :) |
| 09:45.26 | EruditeHermit | hey, can anyone help me with this http://rafb.net/paste/results/otAMe479.html I get glibc detected free(): invalid pointer when I boot. |
| 09:46.37 | karsten | justnulling2: Ah, that. I supsect there's standardization on this as well. |
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| 09:47.26 | SimonRaven | EruditeHermit: means glibc prevented a binary from doing something |
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| 09:48.20 | justnulling2 | karsten: cisco uses "Cisco Systems, Inc. IP Phone CP-7960" but for the other device i can't figure it out |
| 09:48.45 | EruditeHermit | SimonRaven: how do I fix this? |
| 09:49.20 | SimonRaven | EruditeHermit: check the bts, and if not reported report a bug on the app |
| 09:49.29 | SimonRaven | EruditeHermit: before you do that though... |
| 09:49.39 | SimonRaven | EruditeHermit: ... is this reproducible? |
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| 09:49.48 | EruditeHermit | SimonRaven: yes |
| 09:49.49 | doubleShadow | I have a weird problem with network: I have two computers - "main" one with Internet and "family" computer that uses the main as a router with NAT |
| 09:49.51 | EruditeHermit | SimonRaven: every boot |
| 09:49.56 | doubleShadow | Everything seems to be working |
| 09:50.03 | doubleShadow | except that if |
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| 09:50.09 | EruditeHermit | SimonRaven: which package bts would I look it up for? |
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| 09:50.25 | doubleShadow | my Debian box is booted up before the "family" computer |
| 09:50.39 | SimonRaven | EruditeHermit: how should i know? figure it out |
| 09:50.39 | doubleShadow | the according network interface will be up, but not running |
| 09:50.51 | EruditeHermit | SimonRaven: any suggestions on how? |
| 09:51.04 | cahoot | EruditeHermit: no idea if this is relevant but there seemslike init script looking for splashy includes a typo - /etc/default/spalhsy mentioned repeatedly |
| 09:51.09 | SimonRaven | dpkg -S /path/to/binary |
| 09:51.10 | dpkg | There is no record of a /path/to/binary package |
| 09:51.21 | SimonRaven | dpkg: go away |
| 09:51.44 | EruditeHermit | cahoot: I get that whenever I switch to text mode instead of splashy splash screen |
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| 09:52.30 | doubleShadow | I have to restart the network interface for it to detect that there is another computer at the other end of the cable |
| 09:52.31 | EruditeHermit | SimonRaven: there is no mention of a binary in there, it just appears |
| 09:52.37 | SimonRaven | s,binary,file, |
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| 09:52.58 | EruditeHermit | SimonRaven: take a look at the error |
| 09:53.03 | EruditeHermit | SimonRaven: it just appears on its own |
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| 09:53.31 | EruditeHermit | after setting up ICE socket |
| 09:53.35 | EruditeHermit | it just appears |
| 09:53.44 | bootsey | s |
| 09:53.52 | bootsey | does debian install the 2.6 kernel yet |
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| 09:53.59 | EruditeHermit | cahoot: is splashy not meant to say that at all? |
| 09:54.00 | bootsey | a while back it kept installing 2.4 |
| 09:54.03 | jonaskoelker | logcheck gives me funny msgs for bonobo-activation-server: "Duff env. var '/home/mkoch/local/gcjwebplugin/bin'" and "Duff env. var 'plugin/bin'". What does this mean? |
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| 09:54.07 | SimonRaven | EruditeHermit: is that every time? |
| 09:54.11 | SimonRaven | bootsey: ages ago |
| 09:54.27 | SimonRaven | bootsey: only if you don't specify it. RTFM |
| 09:54.32 | bootsey | in 'stable? |
| 09:54.36 | bootsey | yeah |
| 09:54.44 | bootsey | ok but if im using debian for production |
| 09:54.49 | SimonRaven | no in dancing on the moon |
| 09:54.53 | bootsey | is it ok to use the 2.6 kernel? |
| 09:55.05 | bootsey | Im gettign sick or redhat |
| 09:55.05 | cahoot | EruditeHermit: was just an observation - the init script looks for spalhsy - not splashy |
| 09:55.09 | bootsey | of |
| 09:55.28 | bootsey | for example redhat only supports postgresql postgresql-7.4.8-1.RHEL4.1.i386 |
| 09:55.31 | SimonRaven | bootsey: only if you use the full release versions, or debian kernels |
| 09:55.32 | bootsey | adn 8.1 is out |
| 09:55.43 | SimonRaven | bootsey: e.g., 2.6.15 |
| 09:55.59 | SimonRaven | we don't care what rhel does |
| 09:56.03 | EruditeHermit | cahoot: ah, maybe I should file a bugreport |
| 09:56.08 | SimonRaven | s,we,i, |
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| 09:56.18 | bootsey | what is a full release version? |
| 09:56.37 | doubleShadow | I'll try to rephrase |
| 09:56.50 | bootsey | wher would I go to find out what version of postgrsql debian apt-get suppoerts? |
| 09:57.00 | EruditeHermit | bootsey: packages.debian.org |
| 09:57.36 | doubleShadow | How do I make a network interface detect a newly established connection? Because it doesn't automatically, I have to manually bring it down and up agian |
| 09:57.36 | unix_infidel | where does acpi store the batter percentage left value? |
| 09:57.37 | EruditeHermit | SimonRaven: yeah I get it every boot |
| 09:57.39 | unix_infidel | battery* |
| 09:57.47 | SimonRaven | !info postgresql sarge |
| 09:57.55 | dpkg | postgresql: (object-relational SQL database management system), section misc, is optional. Version: 7.4.7-6sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 3705 kB, Installed size: 9580 kB |
| 09:57.56 | tuv | doubleShadow, ifplug |
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| 09:58.09 | SimonRaven | EruditeHermit: that's the init script for some x package |
| 09:58.30 | SimonRaven | iirc, xserver-common or something, it's in init.d anyway |
| 09:58.31 | doubleShadow | tuv: thanks |
| 09:58.31 | tuv | doubleShadow, install ifplugd |
| 09:58.40 | doubleShadow | tuv: already on it ;) |
| 09:58.50 | strider | unix_infidel: /proc/acpi/battery? |
| 09:59.03 | bootsey | wow its up to 8.1 |
| 09:59.15 | SimonRaven | for etch, yes |
| 09:59.22 | SimonRaven | !info postgresql etch |
| 09:59.25 | bootsey | what happens o debian when u wan to use a newer version of an app that apt-get has? |
| 09:59.28 | dpkg | postgresql: (object-relational SQL database management system (transitional)), section misc, is optional. Version: 7.5.16 (etch), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
| 09:59.41 | SimonRaven | nope, sid only, my bad |
| 09:59.42 | unix_infidel | strider: that displays information and state as different variables than percentage remianing. |
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| 09:59.56 | SimonRaven | !info postgresql |
| 09:59.57 | unix_infidel | i'm looking for how eithe 1) acpi calculates battery life remaining. |
| 10:00.04 | bootsey | !info postgresql unstable |
| 10:00.04 | federix | ciao a tutti |
| 10:00.06 | dpkg | postgresql: (object-relational SQL database management system (transitional)), section misc, is optional. Version: 7.5.16 (sid), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
| 10:00.08 | unix_infidel | or 2) where acpi stores percentage remaining. |
| 10:00.11 | bbrazil | !it |
| 10:00.11 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 10:00.41 | liable | unix_infidel: calculates amp hours remaining, and divides by current usage |
| 10:00.43 | strider | !info postgresql-8.1 etch |
| 10:00.45 | konfuzed | g that XP install has been going for an hour already |
| 10:00.48 | dpkg | postgresql-8.1: (object-relational SQL database, version 8.1 server), section misc, is optional. Version: 8.1.0-3 (etch), Packaged size: 4000 kB, Installed size: 11972 kB |
| 10:01.27 | strider | unix_infidel: i think it's inferred from that |
| 10:01.29 | liable | unix_infidel: cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/info |
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| 10:01.58 | doubleShadow | tuv: will this detect wether there is a running eth interface on the other end? |
| 10:02.17 | tuv | doubleShadow, that depends on your actual adapter |
| 10:02.23 | pjv | what's the best pdf viewer to use? xpdf seems crap |
| 10:02.29 | EruditeHermit | SimonRaven: I'll look into it, thanks |
| 10:02.32 | doubleShadow | tuv: the weird thing is |
| 10:02.39 | strider | pjv: try evince |
| 10:02.44 | pjv | ahhh |
| 10:02.47 | SimonRaven | ok, it is in etch |
| 10:02.48 | pjv | strider: ty |
| 10:02.55 | doubleShadow | tuv: I have a double-boot (winXp / Debian), and in Windows everything works fine |
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| 10:03.21 | doubleShadow | in Debian, the system does not detect it when the other computer goes online |
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| 10:04.14 | doubleShadow | tuv: or do I have to reboot after installing ifplug for it to work fully? |
| 10:04.20 | federix | i have a problem with a configuration of ip/lan |
| 10:04.27 | unix_infidel | liable: right, it shows that in mWh |
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| 10:04.32 | tuv | doubleShadow, just make sure you setup /etc/network/interfaces correctly for your interface (see man interfaces for details) and don't use "auto" there |
| 10:04.36 | unix_infidel | how does acpi calculate battery percentage from that? |
| 10:04.47 | tuv | doubleShadow, make sure ifplugd is started |
| 10:04.48 | liable | unix_infidel: yes, and the discharge rate in in /state |
| 10:04.57 | doubleShadow | tuv: ah, I have the "auto" on. |
| 10:05.16 | doubleShadow | tuv: no, wait, no I don't |
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| 10:05.19 | federix | Who can help me? |
| 10:05.21 | unix_infidel | liable: lol, how does it calcuate percentage remaining though. specifically what script does acpi use? |
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| 10:05.27 | SimonRaven | xpdf is fine. just looks like crap |
| 10:05.28 | unix_infidel | or do i need to write my own? |
| 10:05.42 | konfuzed | hey any thoughts about programers between projects (uh paid projects) that end up on state support should be required to spend time on open source development |
| 10:05.42 | SimonRaven | unless you like the motif look, then it looks ok |
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| 10:06.08 | deadcat | anyone know if its possible to tell UPS to hold my package so i can pick it up myself? since i wont know when they will deliver my stuff |
| 10:06.18 | konfuzed | nah the military would draft them instead to program for the military |
| 10:06.22 | unix_infidel | deadcat: yes. |
| 10:06.26 | deadcat | unix_infidel: how? |
| 10:06.28 | konfuzed | the gov is all closed sources |
| 10:06.33 | unix_infidel | deadcat: but you can usually call and find out expected delivery time range. |
| 10:06.40 | liable | unix_infidel: i dont know if its a script, but it would divide the capacity by the discharge rate, and the percentage would be from the last full state figure i guess. |
| 10:06.48 | SimonRaven | konfuzed: um, that's a dumb statement. paid doesn't necessarily mean closed source |
| 10:06.58 | doubleShadow | tuv: ifplugd apears to be started, and ifplugstatus is showing "link beat detected" on both ifaces |
| 10:07.00 | unix_infidel | anyone know the script acpi uses to calculate percentage battery remaining? |
| 10:07.04 | deadcat | unix_infidel: but i wont wake up till 9am on monday. |
| 10:07.08 | konfuzed | true |
| 10:07.21 | unix_infidel | deadcat: they dont deliver on sunday. |
| 10:07.25 | konfuzed | but the guv never reveales their SourceS |
| 10:07.31 | deadcat | unix_infidel: ya. 9am on monday. |
| 10:07.35 | doubleShadow | I'll try to reboot |
| 10:07.39 | SimonRaven | Knorrie_: which gov't? |
| 10:07.41 | konfuzed | ;^) |
| 10:07.43 | unix_infidel | deadcat: no 8am monday. |
| 10:07.47 | SimonRaven | Knorrie_: sorry |
| 10:07.48 | konfuzed | ok very bad pun |
| 10:08.02 | konfuzed | its only 5:09 am here |
| 10:08.32 | deadcat | unix_infidel: ya. but i dont wake up till 9am on monday. so they MIGHT moved my package into the truck |
| 10:08.52 | deadcat | unix_infidel: so i just call them and tell them to hold it for me right? |
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| 10:09.36 | bootsey | so what does one do |
| 10:09.43 | bootsey | when the package system |
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| 10:09.46 | unix_infidel | deadcat: yea. |
| 10:09.48 | geek | hello all |
| 10:09.48 | bazboo | lol this is probably the latest my dad's been up in 10 years, he's enjoying some pr0n i dled for him |
| 10:09.51 | bootsey | is way behind the release |
| 10:09.59 | bootsey | like for postgresql |
| 10:10.01 | strider | unix_infidel: you could find some scripts on the web which can show you how it's parsed. |
| 10:10.02 | geek | i have problem with selinux-policy-default |
| 10:10.19 | deadcat | unix_infidel: cool. |
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| 10:10.27 | bazboo | geek: yeah that's the problem with security enhanced linux, the security is enhanced |
| 10:10.32 | geek | when i do apt-get install selinux-policy-default , return me error |
| 10:10.34 | deadcat | bazboo: ah. father and son bonding |
| 10:10.50 | bazboo | !tell geek about ask |
| 10:10.53 | unix_infidel | strider: i think i might just parse acpi -V output for my python script. |
| 10:10.53 | doubleShadow | tuv: no luck. |
| 10:10.54 | bazboo | !tell geek about selinux |
| 10:10.58 | unix_infidel | deadcat: btw, UPS is evil. |
| 10:11.00 | geek | bazboo: yes , so i see some info about this same problem , but no real answer |
| 10:11.02 | bazboo | deadcat: has bloody sunday begun? |
| 10:11.07 | tuv | doubleShadow, what's the problem exactly? |
| 10:11.10 | deadcat | unix_infidel: ya. they fucked me few times already |
| 10:11.23 | unix_infidel | deadcat: nah, i used to work for them. |
| 10:11.25 | deadcat | bazboo: ya. 2:11am here |
| 10:11.30 | deadcat | unix_infidel: oh hehe |
| 10:11.37 | doubleShadow | tuv: I have a Debian (/WinXP) box that provides internet for a internal network computer |
| 10:11.37 | bazboo | deadcat: right, same here, but i meant behaviorwise |
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| 10:11.44 | SimonRaven | they are evil |
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| 10:11.48 | strider | unix_infidel: yeah, though all the info is in /proc :) |
| 10:11.50 | deadcat | bazboo: for that guy? i guess |
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| 10:11.59 | SimonRaven | they tried to sue canada post because they deliver packages .... |
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| 10:12.03 | unix_infidel | strider: yea. but shouldnt be too hard to parse acpi -V |
| 10:12.03 | bazboo | deadcat: but not in general? *whew* |
| 10:12.05 | doubleShadow | tuv: everything seems to be OK, except that if I boot Debian before the other box is online,, |
| 10:12.13 | doubleShadow | the internal network connection is not detected |
| 10:12.19 | deadcat | bazboo: still too early. few more hours. (= |
| 10:12.26 | bazboo | SimonRaven: the USPS doesn't need to worry, they only claim to deliver them and fail |
| 10:12.31 | bazboo | SimonRaven: :-D |
| 10:12.45 | doubleShadow | tuv: I can fix it by manually bringig the iface down and up again, it works then |
| 10:12.46 | unix_infidel | strider: i'm just trying write a script that looks at my battery percentage, if %>=threshold {throw laptop into hibernate mode} |
| 10:13.04 | doubleShadow | tuv: but I can't be at my box every time someone starts the other computer |
| 10:13.07 | unix_infidel | erm if %<=threshold. |
| 10:13.12 | strider | unix_infidel: ah, i see. |
| 10:13.27 | bazboo | I am attempting to empty the trash in KDE and it sits there beginning the process forever without doing the job. Any ideas? |
| 10:13.40 | geek | i am running ubuntu and when the first apt-get install selinux-policy-default return me some question and afer return me error |
| 10:13.48 | deadcat | unix_infidel: too bad its not a ppc, i use a software that will sleep when it drops to certain bat life. |
| 10:13.57 | liable | geek: /topic |
| 10:14.04 | pingouin | i have troubles to 'erase' (rewrite on) dvd+RW with growisofs, the burner do it, but it's not readable after any help/clue on it ? |
| 10:14.04 | strider | bazboo: try #debian-kde |
| 10:14.04 | unix_infidel | deadcat: ppc? |
| 10:14.10 | bazboo | strider: heh |
| 10:14.11 | deadcat | unix_infidel: ya. ibook |
| 10:14.14 | unix_infidel | deadcat: what software? |
| 10:14.16 | tuv | doubleShadow, just to be sure, try two things: 1) ethtool <interface-name> for all affected interfaces, 2) /etc/init.d/ifplugd status |
| 10:14.38 | doubleShadow | tuv: BTW, could it have something to do with the fact that my system detects the network cards "backwards" - i.e., eth0 is the internal and eth1 is external |
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| 10:15.18 | deadcat | unix_infidel: pbbuttonsd |
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| 10:15.39 | tuv | doubleShadow, are they setup in interfaces file accordingly? if so then no problem |
| 10:15.41 | karsten | doubleShadow: That's determined by the order in which you're loading modules. Swap that. |
| 10:15.45 | unix_infidel | deadcat: in debian repos? |
| 10:15.55 | deadcat | unix_infidel: ya. ppc |
| 10:16.00 | unix_infidel | bah. |
| 10:16.03 | SimonRaven | of course |
| 10:16.19 | unix_infidel | deadcat: heck, shouldnt too hard to write a python script, but then again, i SUCK at anything programming.... |
| 10:16.27 | karsten | deadcat: How goes, dude? |
| 10:16.29 | doubleShadow | tuv: yeah, because - as I've said - everything works (connection, routing with NAT), just not automatically |
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| 10:16.37 | unix_infidel | http://www.ups.com/content/us/en/resources/select/sending/options/hold_pickup.html |
| 10:16.41 | unix_infidel | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 10:16.59 | tuv | doubleShadow, did you check the two commands? |
| 10:17.14 | deadcat | karsten: not bad. i was gonna do my run at my school's track but the damn band was practicing.. i am waiting for my package to be delivered on monday.. although i want to pick it up myself (= |
| 10:17.36 | deadcat | karsten: funny thing is that the item is shipped 45min from my place (SF) hahaha |
| 10:17.38 | unix_infidel | deadcat: then what's the point of a courier service :P |
| 10:17.39 | unix_infidel | LOL |
| 10:17.56 | deadcat | unix_infidel: i think i can only order the thing online (= |
| 10:18.03 | doubleShadow | ifplugd status says it's running on both eth0 and eth1 |
| 10:18.28 | deadcat | unix_infidel: but it would be really funning if someone live like 2 blocks away and have to wait 3 days for it |
| 10:18.38 | doubleShadow | ethtool for eth0 says "Auto-negotiation Off", could that be the problem? |
| 10:18.51 | tuv | doubleShadow, exactly |
| 10:19.02 | doubleShadow | tuv: But then why is there no problem in WinXP? |
| 10:19.08 | doubleShadow | tuv: Driver problem? |
| 10:19.11 | unix_infidel | deadcat: do it BEFORE the delivery day. |
| 10:19.27 | unix_infidel | or UPS driver will just drop it off unless the company EXPLICTLY told them not to. |
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| 10:19.49 | unix_infidel | might ask the company to request signature service. |
| 10:19.58 | deadcat | unix_infidel: ya. that pissed me off. they left my laser printer on my door step.. i wanted to burn the UPS store.. |
| 10:20.01 | tuv | doubleShadow, ethtool can try to enable it.. see its manual |
| 10:20.21 | bootsey | ok |
| 10:20.26 | bootsey | Im having a problem |
| 10:20.36 | bootsey | wht does one do when u want to use a new app version |
| 10:20.40 | deadcat | unix_infidel: cmatrix is in debian |
| 10:20.40 | karsten | deadcat: Irony is so...ironic. |
| 10:20.44 | tuv | doubleShadow, i think it's "ethtool -A eth0 autoneg on" |
| 10:20.48 | bootsey | but the package manager is got some old crap |
| 10:20.52 | bootsey | ? |
| 10:21.34 | deadcat | karsten: ya. i hope i can call them in time on monday and tell them i will pick it up myself |
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| 10:22.10 | doubleShadow | tuv: "cannot get device pause settings: Operation not permitted" |
| 10:22.25 | tuv | doubleShadow, are you root? |
| 10:23.04 | doubleShadow | of course |
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| 10:23.33 | doubleShadow | tuv: I also tried "ethtool -s eth0 autoneg on" |
| 10:23.44 | doubleShadow | but that doesn't say anything and nothing changes |
| 10:24.08 | powder | how do you upgrade etch to sid? |
| 10:24.27 | deadcat | !tell powder about testing->unstable |
| 10:24.29 | dondelelcaro | powder: the general answer is if you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
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| 10:24.44 | powder | dondelelcaro: i'll never know until i try ;) |
| 10:24.47 | doubleShadow | tuv: And I still dont't really understand why everything works fine with an eth0 restat - does auto-negotiation mean that it can only detect link on startup? |
| 10:25.01 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: you have any .gif image on your gallery so i can test out? |
| 10:25.12 | doubleShadow | "does auto-negotiation OFF mean" * |
| 10:25.14 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: um... I don't think so, actually... |
| 10:25.23 | mr_claus | how to pass environment variables with ssh to the target system? |
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| 10:25.34 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: see http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/simpsons/ |
| 10:25.42 | tuv | doubleShadow, auto-negotiation means the interface can detect it is connected once it is, and that allows ifplugd to decide when to bring the interface up or down |
| 10:27.05 | doubleShadow | tuv: So auto-negotionation off means no auto-detect |
| 10:27.08 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: http://gallery.donarmstrong.com/rz/wheel_figures/ |
| 10:27.25 | mr_claus | means i have a local variable TEST=test and i want to use ssh target-host "echo $TEST" |
| 10:27.31 | doubleShadow | tuv: But then why can the Windows box do it automatically? Because the "slave" box is also Windows XP? |
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| 10:27.33 | tuv | doubleShadow, right |
| 10:27.41 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: i must be missing a package or something. |
| 10:27.41 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: hrm... it's possible that imageinfo or similar is failing on them |
| 10:27.45 | tuv | doubleShadow, seems like a driver issue |
| 10:27.50 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: check the error log |
| 10:28.20 | tuv | doubleShadow, what's the driver/adapter? |
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| 10:28.20 | doubleShadow | tuv: I'm using the 2.6.15.6 kernel with dirivers compiled in |
| 10:28.25 | tuv | doubleShadow, no, it has nothing to do with the other end's OS |
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| 10:28.36 | deadcat | [Sun Mar 19 02:28:20 2006] [error] Can't call method "mtime" on an undefined value at /usr/share/perl5/Apache/Gallery.pm line 880.\n |
| 10:28.51 | ma3x | my laptop freezes and I don't know the reason of this, nothing is included in /var/log/messages |
| 10:28.52 | tuv | doubleShadow, do you know that adapter's make? |
| 10:28.55 | doubleShadow | tuv: If those are not good, what can I do? It's a bit old netcard - A 3COM |
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| 10:29.29 | doubleShadow | tuv: 3com 3c series |
| 10:29.32 | tuv | doubleShadow, well then maybe it doesn't have autoneg and xp is just keeping it up all the time |
| 10:30.03 | timc3 | Hi there, I have a problem with a debian system that I am running. I was running aptitude, installing a considerable amount of updates, and had to walk away from my SSH session. The SSH session has since timed out and the updating process is hung probably asking for questions somewhere. Is there a way of recovering or carrying on the updates? |
| 10:30.04 | tuv | doubleShadow, in which case you should keep "auto eth0" in your interfaces file and disable ifplugd for eth0 |
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| 10:30.50 | dondelelcaro | timc3: just kill it off and start it again using dpkg --configure -a or similar. |
| 10:30.52 | doubleShadow | I'm also keeping it up all the time (I used to have "auto" set so it was brought up at boot) |
| 10:31.05 | timc3 | Is it that simple? |
| 10:31.22 | timc3 | Because it was in the middle of updating openssh and samba etc... |
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| 10:31.42 | supp | hello all |
| 10:31.46 | dondelelcaro | timc3: if you can log in, it's that simple. |
| 10:31.56 | dondelelcaro | timc3: next time do that sort of thing using screen though. |
| 10:32.03 | liable | timc3: use screen too :) |
| 10:32.15 | timc3 | Well I can't log in but I can get onto the machine using the console |
| 10:32.16 | liable | to slow. |
| 10:32.19 | supp | i have got a simple kernel problem. is there anybody help me? |
| 10:32.25 | doubleShadow | tuv: but if the other computer is not online when Debian boots, the interface will not work |
| 10:32.30 | timc3 | i will try it, thanks for the help |
| 10:32.32 | doubleShadow | (Windows XP showing "Cable unplugged") |
| 10:32.47 | tuv | doubleShadow, if you add "auto eth0" it will |
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| 10:33.35 | tuv | doubleShadow, do you have a dhcp server, or using static ips? |
| 10:33.42 | doubleShadow | tuv: I'm pretty sure it won't, since that's what I had set up before, but for the "try again" sake I'll try again |
| 10:33.46 | doubleShadow | tuv: static IPs |
| 10:34.18 | tuv | doubleShadow, and when you boot debian it gets its own ip even if no one else is up? |
| 10:35.03 | doubleShadow | You mean on the eth0 interface? |
| 10:35.11 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: [Sun Mar 19 02:34:54 2006] [error] Image::Imlib2 load error: File does not exist at /usr/share/perl5/Apache/Gallery.pm line 1369.\n |
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| 10:35.57 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: hrm... that sounds like the wrong path is being prepended or something... what file was it looking for? |
| 10:36.09 | dondelelcaro | and that's a really crappy error message |
| 10:36.14 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: all the .gif files |
| 10:36.27 | dondelelcaro | yeah, but what was the file? |
| 10:36.49 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: I'd modify the code to print the file that it's actually telling Imlib2 to load right before that |
| 10:36.58 | deadcat | ah |
| 10:37.02 | bazboo | I'm going to be busy for a very long time. I'm ripping every decent CD in my collection to FLAC on my laptop. |
| 10:37.19 | doubleShadow | tuv: I've removed ifplugd and added the "auto" in the interfaces file (and turned the other comp off), will reboot to see what goes |
| 10:37.42 | bazboo | the stack of source material is... over 3 ft high and i have <1 ft. complete |
| 10:37.43 | bazboo | oof |
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| 10:39.29 | strider | deadcat: ha, i see what you meant about minimizing applications. You don't even have a panel running ;p |
| 10:39.32 | doubleShadow | tuv: back. ifconfig gives UP BROADCAST MULTICAST on eth0, and the ip address setttings, but no RUNNING |
| 10:39.49 | deadcat | strider: ya. (= |
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| 10:40.13 | pigor | hello. does anyone know how to set up my old 3dfx card with voodoo 1 chipset? (diamond monster 3d 1) |
| 10:40.17 | deadcat | strider: i do .. fbpanel. but i am just not using the task panel plugin. just the pager and clock |
| 10:40.19 | doubleShadow | tuv: And I'm pretty sure that if I turn on the other computer, the network link will still be down until I ifdown and ifup eth0 |
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| 10:41.07 | strider | deadcat: nice though |
| 10:41.12 | deadcat | thanks |
| 10:41.35 | tuv | doubleShadow, what if you ifdown/ifup then power up the other machine? |
| 10:41.45 | doubleShadow | tuv: OK, will try |
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| 10:43.31 | doubleShadow | tuv: nope, nothing |
| 10:43.56 | doubleShadow | tuv: but thanks for the ethtool and auto-negotiation hints, at least I now I have something to Google for (find a driver maybe or smth) |
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| 10:44.30 | tuv | doubleShadow, sorry i could not be of further help.. it is strange indeed |
| 10:44.44 | pigor | hello. does anyone know how to set up my old 3dfx card with voodoo 1 chipset? (diamond monster 3d 1) |
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| 10:48.02 | ice_1963 | is there going to be a flash-player 8? |
| 10:48.02 | threat | is Debian Linux POSSIX compliant? :P |
| 10:48.13 | threat | POSIX even |
| 10:48.25 | deadcat | ice_1963: dont know |
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| 10:48.35 | ice_1963 | hmm |
| 10:48.53 | valdyn | threat: yes |
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| 10:51.04 | uwe | does anyone know of a bind package with dlz for debian? |
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| 10:53.41 | Zrin | top shows me that WindowMaker uses 98% of the CPU ... what shall I check to find out why? |
| 10:54.05 | BlueFish | Good evening |
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| 10:56.56 | bartden | hi, can someone give me a link with a howto on Debian Boot splash screen |
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| 10:57.29 | SlayerXP | bartden: I'd just go to google and type in those search terms. I'm sure you can do the same. |
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| 10:57.58 | strider | bartden: try splashy |
| 10:58.48 | strider | !splashy |
| 10:58.49 | dpkg | well, splashy is a basic userspace bootsplash package which is currently in experimental but works in sarge all right. http://splashy.alioth.debian.org/ and backported pacakges for sarge are available here: http://layer-acht.org/splashy/ |
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| 11:02.26 | dondelelcaro | !tell dak -about away |
| 11:03.52 | BlueFish | Hello, I love Debian, however, I was wondering, how does one remove KDE or Gnome? |
| 11:04.14 | liable | !remove gnome |
| 11:04.14 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 11:04.28 | liable | BlueFish: ask dpkg about remove kde |
| 11:04.40 | BlueFish | !remove KDE |
| 11:04.40 | dpkg | remove kde is, like, apt-get --purge remove kdelibs (or ask me about "install kde") |
| 11:04.51 | BlueFish | maky! |
| 11:04.54 | BlueFish | moop! |
| 11:05.21 | liable | wtf? |
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| 11:05.49 | BlueFish | oops |
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| 11:06.13 | rage | Does dpkg have instructions on how to stop a Fedora die hard from badgering me at Uni? |
| 11:06.18 | raboof | hm. will "apt-get --purge foo" also remove the configfiles of packages that depend on foo? mightn't be what you want then.. |
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| 11:06.46 | liable | !kill Fedora die hard |
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| 11:07.03 | rage | Excellent liable :-) |
| 11:07.19 | dr1v3r | hi guys i am trying to install a package but it says gtk+-2.0.pc is missing, does anyone know what package i acctually need to install to have gtk+-2.0.pc compiled? |
| 11:07.19 | liable | :) |
| 11:07.28 | dr1v3r | i have done an apt-cache search but it brings up loads of results and i am unsure |
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| 11:08.18 | strider | dr1v3r: use apt-file instead |
| 11:08.50 | dr1v3r | ok thanks :D |
| 11:09.09 | wols | apt-cache search libgtk |grep libgtk | grep 2.0 |
| 11:09.09 | strider | !find gtk+-2.0.pc |
| 11:09.18 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'gtk+-2.0.pc' (1): (/usr/lib/pkgconfig/pygtk-2.0.pc) in python/python-gtk2-dev. |
| 11:09.34 | strider | ^^ dr1v3r |
| 11:09.47 | dr1v3r | thanks man :D ur a star :D |
| 11:09.47 | strider | ah no |
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| 11:10.58 | dr1v3r | !find apt-file |
| 11:11.00 | dpkg | apt-file: (APT package searching utility -- command-line interface), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.0.7 (sid), Packaged size: 11 kB, Installed size: 92 kB |
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| 11:13.00 | liable | hrm, i got gremlins in my laptop.. |
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| 11:13.14 | liable | my mouse is going bonkers. |
| 11:13.25 | freestyle10 | hello |
| 11:13.35 | freestyle10 | i from spain |
| 11:13.45 | Acceos | Hi spain |
| 11:13.53 | freestyle10 | i need help |
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| 11:14.31 | freestyle10 | i have debian 3.1 r1 sarge |
| 11:14.44 | freestyle10 | i install 2 desktop |
| 11:15.06 | freestyle10 | i like choose in the start |
| 11:16.55 | dr1v3r | hmm after installing python-gtk2-dev it still says gtk+-2.0 is missing |
| 11:16.59 | dr1v3r | any more ideas guys? |
| 11:17.15 | priscila | freestyle10: you can use update-alternatives --config x-window-manager or put the wm you want use in ~/.xinitrc |
| 11:17.18 | strider | dr1v3r: yeah, that's not the one you need |
| 11:17.52 | freestyle10 | is posible in grapic mode |
| 11:17.53 | strider | freestyle10: or install a display manager |
| 11:18.05 | dr1v3r | ahh :( damn, any ideas what i should check for? |
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| 11:18.16 | freestyle10 | strider is a apt packet |
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| 11:19.42 | priscila | freestyle10: e.g. killall current_wm && exec icewn |
| 11:20.19 | ma3x | can debian freeze if there is not enough space on hard disk? |
| 11:20.46 | freestyle10 | kdm is a solution?? |
| 11:20.47 | karsten | ma3x: Generally, no. |
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| 11:21.07 | strider | freestyle10: yes. whatever you prefer |
| 11:21.10 | ma3x | karsten, but I was encoding with 'mencoder' and it froze twice after a while of the encoding |
| 11:21.17 | karsten | ma3x: You'll get a lot of out-of-space issues. |
| 11:21.17 | strider | !tell freestyle10 about dm |
| 11:21.26 | karsten | ma3x: Um. *apps* can definitely get frustrated. |
| 11:21.43 | karsten | ma3x: An app freezing != the OS / kernel freezing. |
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| 11:22.28 | ma3x | karsten, but my whole system freezes, including X and kernel and everything |
| 11:22.43 | ma3x | karsten, so that app freezes debian too, right? |
| 11:22.49 | karsten | ma3x: Doubtful that disk space is the issue. |
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| 11:23.16 | karsten | ma3x: You'd want to confirm by trying to remotely access the box. Sometimes X will wedge but the system's actually still running. |
| 11:23.18 | rage | What about if the page file isnt a seperate partition? does the kernel deal well with that? |
| 11:23.23 | liable | merory/swap issue? |
| 11:23.30 | karsten | rage: Yes |
| 11:23.38 | rage | Okay :-) |
| 11:23.45 | ma3x | karsten, I can't remotely access it, don't have another machine.. hehe |
| 11:23.50 | karsten | rage: swap partitions are recommended though. |
| 11:23.54 | konfuzed | uh is that swap partition faster as the first partition or the last partition ? |
| 11:24.01 | karsten | konfuzed: Middle. |
| 11:24.03 | rage | karsten: indeed, generally |
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| 11:24.09 | rage | I generally do* |
| 11:24.10 | karsten | konfuzed: You'll ideally want to minimize head movement. |
| 11:24.12 | rage | sorry, typo |
| 11:24.15 | ma3x | karsten, but that's the bad thing - when it freezes, there is nothing in the log, so you don't know what actually caused the freeze |
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| 11:24.20 | majik^lappy | How would I change the window manager in Debian? |
| 11:24.22 | konfuzed | really - you must be pulling my leg |
| 11:24.28 | konfuzed | ;^) |
| 11:24.51 | karsten | ma3x: Typically: bad hw, badhw, bad hw, baddriver |
| 11:25.30 | karsten | majik^lappy: Choose a different one at your login screen using [gkwx]dm. |
| 11:25.43 | ma3x | karsten, not true: I got the laptop since 3 years and it works very well, and even when I test it with burnBX, burnP6 for 30 mins, nothing happens :) |
| 11:26.24 | karsten | ma3x: YMMV. My experience, typically, is HW or rarely, bad drivers. |
| 11:26.59 | ma3x | karsten, so I think you've formed a bad global oppinion involving the hardware part |
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| 11:27.23 | karsten | ma3x: I'm not going to argue my relatively extensive experience with you. |
| 11:27.25 | ma3x | karsten, but it depends too: if you've tested a lot of machines |
| 11:27.32 | karsten | ma3x: 300+ |
| 11:27.57 | ma3x | oops, now that's experience |
| 11:28.03 | ma3x | my laptop is exception however :) |
| 11:28.06 | karsten | ma3x: I'm done arguing. |
| 11:28.08 | ma3x | ain't bad hardware |
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| 11:28.38 | vin` | pebkac? |
| 11:28.39 | ma3x | karsten, we didn't argue, just shared our oppinion :p |
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| 11:29.16 | cycus_zwisus | i use ubuntu, is it worth switching to debian? |
| 11:29.28 | karsten | ma3x: I'm not saying it is. I'm saying that it typically is. And good HW can go bad. Check for busted caps. |
| 11:29.34 | ma3x | cycus_zwisus, yeah it is worth! |
| 11:29.44 | cycus_zwisus | ma3x, why? :P |
| 11:30.01 | ma3x | cycus_zwisus, it was for me! try it out and decide, yourself |
| 11:30.22 | rage | Debian suits my needs better, however it doesnt suit everyones needs better |
| 11:30.24 | karsten | cycus_zwisus: What aren't you liking about ubuntu? |
| 11:30.25 | valdyn | cycus_zwisus: why do you want to switch? |
| 11:30.32 | liable | cycus_zwisus: what kind of answer do you expect in #debian? |
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| 11:30.48 | karsten | cycus_zwisus: ... to a large extent, the two are equivalent. Different source repos. |
| 11:30.50 | cycus_zwisus | liable, sincere one :P |
| 11:30.51 | ma3x | cycus_zwisus, well I didn't really switch from ubuntu. Since the own beginning I had debian and then tried once ubuntu and I didn't like it, so stopped using it |
| 11:31.19 | liable | cycus_zwisus: and do you think we sincerely dont think debian is better? :P |
| 11:31.32 | rage | cycus_zwisus: I use Debian for a lot of server related work where running gnome or even an x-server isnt a requirement |
| 11:31.35 | ma3x | I wonder what kind of answer will he get, if he asks the vice-versa question in ubuntu chan |
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| 11:31.56 | rage | cycus_zwisus: I also run Debian at home because it exactly matchs the behavour or my servers |
| 11:32.02 | rage | *of |
| 11:32.05 | cycus_zwisus | ma3x, i wouldn't be so sure |
| 11:32.39 | ma3x | cycus_zwisus, if you ask me, it's the best and the best supported OS in the world |
| 11:32.49 | valdyn | i use debian, but i probably wouldnt switch off ubuntu |
| 11:32.51 | liable | cycus_zwisus: try it and see. thats the best advice we can give. |
| 11:32.58 | cycus_zwisus | i've heard ubuntu is "debian with human face", is that true? |
| 11:33.05 | ma3x | lol |
| 11:33.13 | valdyn | cycus_zwisus: that is bullshit |
| 11:33.18 | ma3x | then what is debian, some kinda alien? |
| 11:33.34 | rage | cycus_zwisus: Afaik Ununtu automagically installs Gnome and a xserver and a few programs like firefox |
| 11:33.35 | cycus_zwisus | i'll ask the same on mandriva channel :P |
| 11:33.42 | valdyn | cycus_zwisus: that human part does not apply or correlate with debian |
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| 11:33.52 | vin` | cycus_zwisus: face, leg, whatever. troll elsewhere. |
| 11:33.53 | cycus_zwisus | ma3x, some beast maybe :) |
| 11:33.59 | Zrin | cycus_zwisus: both are unix, so neither can be 'better' ... only 'worse' :) |
| 11:34.02 | ma3x | cycus_zwisus, it is, yeah!!! |
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| 11:34.34 | ma3x | cycus_zwisus, k/ubuntu is for kiddies |
| 11:34.51 | cycus_zwisus | i've heard debain is praised for its stability |
| 11:34.57 | ma3x | sure thing |
| 11:35.01 | rage | cycus_zwisus: I prefer Debian over Unbuntu, it suits my needs better, but it doesnt hold true for everyone, for some people Ubuntu suits their needs better, depends entirely on what you're looking for. |
| 11:35.12 | ma3x | from time to time I get some freeze, but I've forsaken it :p |
| 11:35.34 | karsten | Zrin: Unix Sux! |
| 11:35.40 | cahoot | ma3x: you can't blame debian for bad hw |
| 11:35.42 | Zrin | ma3x: every unix is for kiddies, even if it is called enterprise server ;) |
| 11:35.44 | valdyn | !sux |
| 11:35.44 | dpkg | i heard sux is su with xauth, to run X apps as root: http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ or sucks, or "I have an exagerrated opinion about something I don't really know much about.", or apt-get install sux, or something that anyone who spells "sucks" as "sux" does. |
| 11:35.48 | Zrin | karsten: big time |
| 11:35.55 | ma3x | cahoot, nah, it's not debian, usually apps |
| 11:35.56 | karsten | http://research.microsoft.com/~daniel/unix-haters.html |
| 11:36.03 | cycus_zwisus | ma3x, my ubuntu froze this week :/ |
| 11:36.14 | xoz | btw, what's the package to install to enable pxe install in a debian server to a remote client? |
| 11:36.31 | valdyn | cycus_zwisus: and you know for sure that that is not a hardware fault |
| 11:36.39 | karsten | xoz: FAI? |
| 11:36.55 | ma3x | valdyn, I do! as long as my pc doesn't start smoking... |
| 11:36.55 | rage | cycus_zwisus: If you're asking if Debian does more or less than Ubuntu I think you'll find they're evenly matched for ability, I imagine Unbuntu can do anything Debian can do and Debian can do anything Unbuntu can do. |
| 11:37.17 | ma3x | rage, I don't think that's true |
| 11:37.26 | ma3x | I've had ubuntu for a while, and it ran much slower than debian |
| 11:37.26 | cycus_zwisus | maybe it is, anyway it froze only one time since i've been using it (from may 2005 that is) |
| 11:37.27 | xoz | karsten: ah, that is ok. |
| 11:37.33 | ma3x | debian is smooth |
| 11:37.46 | valdyn | ma3x: i doubt that has anything to do with the distro itself |
| 11:37.56 | liable | it rx0rz lols omfg!!! |
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| 11:38.04 | rage | ma3x: I'm with valdyn on that one |
| 11:38.09 | karsten | liable: u r my g0d! |
| 11:38.10 | ma3x | valdyn, it does, I had exactly the same apps running, and it was just heavy load on system |
| 11:38.39 | rage | I do like it how Debian doesnt come with any preinstalled garbage |
| 11:38.42 | cycus_zwisus | rage, i just asked if it's worth switching from ubuntu |
| 11:38.57 | rage | cycus_zwisus: The answer: depends :-) |
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| 11:39.05 | rage | on your needs and what you want to do |
| 11:39.13 | valdyn | cycus_zwisus: switch is work. you need a reason to do work. do you have one? |
| 11:39.16 | gartt | Why waste peoples' time asking which distro is better.... |
| 11:39.19 | bartden | hi, how can i get a list of installed packages from apt ?? |
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| 11:39.27 | valdyn | cycus_zwisus: hell i wouldnt switch off DOS if it did what i need... |
| 11:39.40 | liable | bartden: dpkg --get-selections |
| 11:39.42 | rage | bartden: dpkg -l should do the trick |
| 11:39.47 | valdyn | bartden: dpkg -l | grep ^ii |
| 11:39.54 | cycus_zwisus | the reason -> become more expert in linux? |
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| 11:40.05 | valdyn | cycus_zwisus: debian isnt suitable for that |
| 11:40.25 | valdyn | cycus_zwisus: ... because it goes out of its way to manage 'linux' for you |
| 11:40.39 | valdyn | cycus_zwisus: in a beautiful way, but it still does that |
| 11:40.40 | gartt | cycus_zwisus: If you have to ask that you're not ready to switch, chances are |
| 11:41.20 | valdyn | cycus_zwisus: i guess slackware can be a 'learning experience' |
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| 11:41.45 | tralala | cycus_zwisus: I would imagine that you'd need something like "linux from scratch" to become a linux expert. |
| 11:41.51 | rage | Linux from scratch :-) |
| 11:42.10 | liable | dont you just follow a recipe with that anyway?? |
| 11:42.12 | cycus_zwisus | ok, thanks |
| 11:42.17 | rage | Yeah you do |
| 11:42.26 | rage | its a bit like a tutorial |
| 11:42.29 | rage | my first linux |
| 11:42.38 | valdyn | liable: yes its like installing gentoo, copy a howto, my dog could do that ; |
| 11:43.01 | cycus_zwisus | so it seems i'm not gonna have debian on my computer :) |
| 11:43.12 | liable | ok. |
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| 11:43.38 | valdyn | cycus_zwisus: seriously though, ubuntu uses debians tools, there's not much to learn in debian for an expert ubuntu user |
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| 11:44.44 | Phlexonance | I am running azureus 2.4.0.2 on Debian Sarge 3.1, how can I set the fontsize azureus is using? (kde settings have no effect) |
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| 11:45.10 | cycus_zwisus | Phlexonance, azureus is a gtk- app |
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| 11:45.43 | cycus_zwisus | which means kde setting won't have any effects on it |
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| 11:45.58 | valdyn | Phlexonance: azureus can use gtk or motif widget set, whichever you are using needs to be adjusted, probably gtk |
| 11:46.05 | valdyn | Phlexonance: gtk2 even |
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| 11:46.12 | Phlexonance | and where do I set gtk settings? |
| 11:46.24 | cycus_zwisus | create a file .gtkrc2.0 in you home directory |
| 11:46.48 | valdyn | Phlexonance: there's a debian package that will deal with integrating gtk into kde |
| 11:47.02 | valdyn | Phlexonance: and gtk-theme-switch |
| 11:47.17 | cycus_zwisus | and write something like this in it : gtk-font-name="Helvetica 9" |
| 11:47.29 | cycus_zwisus | or some other font name and size |
| 11:48.29 | cycus_zwisus | sorry, the name of the file should be .gtkrc-2.0 |
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| 11:49.31 | Phlexonance | ok I'll try that |
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| 11:49.55 | valdyn | gtk2-engines-gtk-qt - theme engine using Qt for GTK+ 2.x |
| 11:50.13 | Phlexonance | looks like it worked, thanks |
| 11:50.28 | dv_ | valdyn, this one doesnt work 100% reliable though |
| 11:50.42 | valdyn | dv_: depending on the qt theme you use, yea |
| 11:50.56 | dv_ | valdyn, not only this |
| 11:51.00 | dv_ | it also depends on the gtk app |
| 11:51.11 | dv_ | and, gnome really hates this engine :) |
| 11:51.40 | Phlexonance | cycus_zwisus: where can I look up the other possible settings for the .gtkrc-2.0 ? |
| 11:52.02 | tsuy | exit |
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| 11:53.00 | cycus_zwisus | Phlexonance, i know only this one |
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| 11:53.40 | cycus_zwisus | but i suppose you can set the theme as well |
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| 11:54.13 | cycus_zwisus | gtk-theme-name= "themename" |
| 11:54.35 | Phlexonance | k, thy, cya |
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| 11:57.51 | cycus_zwisus | does the newest stable debian use xorg or xfree86? |
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| 11:58.11 | tralala | cycus_zwisus: xfree |
| 11:58.12 | jetscreamer | xfree |
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| 11:59.56 | rib | i have some troubleshoot when i try to boot on kernel 2.6 image someone can help me please? |
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| 12:00.46 | rib | please |
| 12:00.50 | tralala | rib: what's your native language? |
| 12:00.57 | jetscreamer | yeah install yaird remove udev |
| 12:01.05 | rib | french |
| 12:01.14 | jetscreamer | -fr dead? |
| 12:01.31 | tralala | rib: did you try #debianfr? |
| 12:01.39 | rib | nobody to help me on #debianfr ...;-( |
| 12:02.12 | tralala | rib: so which debian do you use? |
| 12:02.15 | azeem | rib: maybe try #debian.fr then |
| 12:02.18 | jetscreamer | how about #debian-fr |
| 12:02.20 | azeem | or #debian-fr? |
| 12:02.21 | rib | debian sarge |
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| 12:03.09 | jetscreamer | rib i know nothing but what partition/hd is your debian installation on |
| 12:03.18 | tralala | rib: and you just installed kernel-image-2.6 but it cannot boot? |
| 12:03.29 | rib | yes |
| 12:03.39 | tralala | do you use lilo or grub? |
| 12:03.48 | jetscreamer | -_- |
| 12:03.58 | rib | it tell me that the Shpchp cant be load |
| 12:04.05 | rib | yes grub |
| 12:04.23 | rib | i have try recovery but it don't work to |
| 12:04.49 | jetscreamer | z |
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| 12:05.42 | rib | logs off the boot exist? |
| 12:05.43 | dr1v3r | thanks for the help guys, appreciate uit |
| 12:05.44 | dr1v3r | *it |
| 12:05.50 | jetscreamer | rib doesn a -386 , the install kernel, boot |
| 12:06.01 | rib | 686 |
| 12:06.08 | liable | wtf is shpchp? |
| 12:06.19 | jetscreamer | the install kernel is -386 usually |
| 12:06.28 | rib | the kernel 2.4 work's fine with the 686... |
| 12:07.07 | tralala | rib: does the initrd.img load at boot? |
| 12:07.48 | rib | how to know if the init.trd.img load ? |
| 12:07.59 | jetscreamer | rib i know nothing but what partition/hd is your debian installation on |
| 12:08.16 | rib | the multi user |
| 12:08.22 | jetscreamer | ok i lied i might know something |
| 12:08.24 | rib | with /user |
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| 12:08.58 | jetscreamer | hda1, hde1, hdq27... which |
| 12:09.09 | rib | i have the same hosted and i want to try at home before try online |
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| 12:10.13 | krion | hi |
| 12:10.46 | liable | hola |
| 12:10.55 | jetscreamer | chitori |
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| 12:11.26 | tralala | rib: check /boot/grub/menu.lst and see if you have an initrd line for the 2.6 kernel |
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| 12:13.04 | jetscreamer | i must be in some global /ignore db |
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| 12:13.44 | liable | jetscreamer: why? |
| 12:14.00 | jetscreamer | he has yet to answer any of my questions |
| 12:14.12 | rib | dev/hda2 / ; dev/hda5 /usr ; dev/hda6 /var ; dev/hda8 /tmp ; dev/hda9 /home |
| 12:14.16 | jetscreamer | or repetitions thereof |
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| 12:16.13 | rib | initrd/boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 12:16.18 | rib | ok |
| 12:16.57 | tralala | try to paste the bootlog somewhere |
| 12:17.29 | cast | alright, ive come across a dependancy problem. 'The following packages have unmet dependencies: libxss-dev: Depends: libx11-dev but it is not installable' but libx11-dev IS installed. this is a clean [today] sarge install, with a backports.org kernel :| |
| 12:17.48 | rib | where i can find the bootlog please |
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| 12:18.23 | liable | its not enabled by default |
| 12:18.39 | liable | but you prolly want kern.log |
| 12:18.40 | rib | i am a newbee |
| 12:19.11 | wireddd | !nvidia one-liner |
| 12:19.11 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is, like, update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
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| 12:21.09 | nkuttler | cast: broken backport deps |
| 12:21.59 | liable | rib: /var/log/kern.log |
| 12:22.03 | cast | nkuttler: what would a kernel have to do with x11? |
| 12:22.06 | rib | where i can find the bootlog please i dont see anything in /boot |
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| 12:22.28 | blondie | dmesg |
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| 12:22.38 | Acceos | ./var/logs/ |
| 12:22.43 | liable | blondie: it doesnt boot |
| 12:22.54 | blondie | o.o |
| 12:22.55 | rib | where i can paste it ? |
| 12:22.57 | nkuttler | cast: what command did you type? |
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| 12:23.08 | cast | nkuttler: to do what? |
| 12:23.09 | liable | !tell rib about paste |
| 12:23.17 | nkuttler | cast: to install libxss-dev |
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| 12:23.52 | cast | nkuttler: ahh, aptitude install libxss-dev, |
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| 12:25.10 | tralala | cast: do you have the backports archive in your sources.list or you just installed the package manually? |
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| 12:25.43 | rib | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2178 |
| 12:26.00 | cast | it's in the sources.list, but in preferences is the line 'Package: *\nPin: release a=sarge-backports\nPin-Priority: 200' |
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| 12:27.18 | liable | rib: thats the log of the 2.4 kernel booting |
| 12:27.50 | liable | rib: try kern.log.0.gz |
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| 12:27.51 | cast | ill comment out the sources.list entry and update, mmm |
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| 12:30.35 | rib | i don't find this file in /var/log |
| 12:31.10 | nkuttler | rib: /var/log/messages? |
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| 12:31.42 | liable | rib: how far into booting is the kernel getting? |
| 12:32.55 | rib | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2179 |
| 12:33.07 | tralala | cast: do you have another computer that you are able to connect via serial cable to this one? |
| 12:33.16 | rib | 20 min i think |
| 12:33.16 | tralala | rib: ^^ |
| 12:33.45 | rib | no i have also one computer |
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| 12:34.18 | cast | tralala: negitive. but i don't need to use X. but right now it's irrelevent since i think i might be able to get away without that pkg |
| 12:34.24 | rib | i have just a ppoe modem with dhcp server bundle |
| 12:34.30 | wireddd | ok built a new kernel, with all of the nvidia modules, got x working with my driver. but when ever I use the nvidia driver my lcd panel shows the screen just fine, except that it has this input not supported box in the middle of it that bounces around on the screen. I got all of the settings for the monitor from the makers website. any ideas? |
| 12:35.31 | tralala | cast: sorry, it was for rib |
| 12:35.51 | wireddd | if I edit the config and only change the driver to nv it works fine, but I want acceleration |
| 12:36.26 | Shadda | mmmm |
| 12:36.31 | tralala | cast: as for you I suspect that the backports are tweaking your dependancies |
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| 12:42.31 | tarzeau | abrotman: want to maintain a few packages? |
| 12:42.33 | Ola | is there any way to create an automated install floppy without a linux system? (using os x for example) |
| 12:42.39 | rib | i don't see any entry with : Loaded 17882 symbols from /boot/System.map-2.6-2-686. on /var/log/message |
| 12:42.47 | tarzeau | abrotman: god damn, why don't you fucking get dd and sponsor a few packages? |
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| 12:43.35 | abrotman | tarzeau: why don't you get DD? |
| 12:43.41 | tarzeau | abrotman: because i'm a lazy fuck |
| 12:43.47 | abrotman | oh ok |
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| 12:44.33 | cast | tralala: ive toasted the sources.list line, fwiw. |
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| 12:45.58 | tralala | cast: still the same problem? |
| 12:46.03 | Tempoe | hi how i can change console color? |
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| 12:47.17 | hyde | In vi, how to copy the whole text from the current line to the end of the file? |
| 12:47.37 | tralala | hyde: YGp |
| 12:47.49 | tralala | oh, wait |
| 12:47.58 | SEcki | yyGp |
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| 12:48.24 | nn- | how can I prevent apt from caching packages in /var/cache/apt/archives/? |
| 12:48.31 | hyde | thanks |
| 12:48.39 | tralala | hyde: do you want to copy the current line at the end of the file or select everything until the end of the file? |
| 12:48.39 | Shadda | nn-, why would you want to prevent it? |
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| 12:49.02 | tralala | nn-: if you are running out of space you just need to apt-get clean |
| 12:49.06 | Tempoe | hi how i can change console color? |
| 12:49.12 | Shadda | you can clean it out anytime you like, (apt-get clean) |
| 12:49.13 | nn- | Shadda: waste of diskspace / storage bandwidth |
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| 12:49.26 | nn- | I pay for diskspace not for traffic |
| 12:50.04 | hyde | tralala: select and copy everything from current cursor line till EOF. |
| 12:50.41 | nn- | Is there no way to change the default behaviour of apt? |
| 12:50.46 | tralala | than you need waht SEcki said |
| 12:51.29 | liable | nn-: it needs to cache stuff.. it downloads packages and dependancies, then installs them.. if you have to, run apt-clean like people have said. |
| 12:51.33 | tralala | but with only one 'y' |
| 12:52.04 | cycus_zwisus | sorry, i know it's debian channel but i've got one question -> which packages are needed for basic gnome installation? (basic = without evolution, epiphany etc) |
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| 12:52.29 | tralala | and be sure you're at the beginning of the line. To make it universal 0yG, then go whereever you want to paset and p |
| 12:53.04 | liable | cycus_zwisus: gnome-core or somesuch |
| 12:53.14 | hyde | tralala: thanks, it works here. |
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| 12:54.20 | liable | huh? |
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| 12:55.14 | spiekey | hello! |
| 12:55.20 | rhalff | anyone has a suggestion for a good laptop equivalent to a powerbook,, but not a powerbook, preferably amd64 ? :) |
| 12:55.27 | spiekey | how can i hold back the kernel updates? |
| 12:55.36 | petemc | rhalff: macbook pro :) |
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| 12:55.52 | rhalff | petemc, yeah I meant that one, not that one |
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| 12:56.33 | rhalff | petemc, can a macbook pro run debian also ? |
| 12:56.37 | liable | spiekey: remove the 2.6-386 package (or suitable package for your machine) |
| 12:56.46 | petemc | rhalff: no idea |
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| 12:58.21 | marchino | ciao! |
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| 13:00.50 | abrotman | lenovo sells Intel Duo thinkpads |
| 13:01.24 | petemc | cant image they're half the price of a macbook pro tho, hig end thinkpads are pricey |
| 13:01.29 | petemc | imagine |
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| 13:01.40 | liable | indeedy |
| 13:01.41 | abrotman | petemc: i think i saw one for 1400$ |
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| 13:03.34 | tarzeau | abrotman: do you have a pgp key? |
| 13:03.34 | abrotman | petemc: it was 1500$ . |
| 13:03.48 | abrotman | tarzeau: i did a long time ago .. when it was cool |
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| 13:03.59 | tarzeau | abrotman: you revoked it? |
| 13:04.18 | abrotman | tarzeau: nfc |
| 13:04.25 | abrotman | tarzeau: i didn't use it for much .. jabber mostly |
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| 13:04.28 | tarzeau | !nfc |
| 13:04.29 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nfc is No Fucking Clue. National Football Conference |
| 13:04.41 | tarzeau | abrotman: don't worry, you can create a new one |
| 13:05.06 | tarzeau | abrotman: and then you go here and apply, i'll guide you: https://nm.debian.org/newnm.php |
| 13:05.07 | karsten | And *I* always thought it was "non-furry creatures". |
| 13:05.10 | wireddd | this is so wierd, the monitor shows the box saying "Input Not Supported" whenever I use the nvidia non-free driver for the video card, regaurdless of what resolution/sync it is set to. But it still shows the screen perfectly fine behind the monitor error message! |
| 13:05.28 | abrotman | tarzeau: don't you think i should re-learn packaging? |
| 13:05.48 | tarzeau | abrotman: don't worry, i will also teach you packaging, just do what i tell you now |
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| 13:06.02 | tarzeau | abrotman: create a pgp key, make dates to get it signed by dds and apply for nm |
| 13:06.04 | abrotman | tarzeau: today? |
| 13:06.11 | GrimF | can somebody help me on installing debian sarge on sata-II HDD WD740Raptor? |
| 13:06.19 | tarzeau | abrotman: yes today. and 6 months later you'll be abrotman@debian.org |
| 13:06.38 | Shadda | anyone good with dns? I've confused myself |
| 13:06.42 | tarzeau | Shadda: just ask |
| 13:06.58 | tarzeau | abrotman: trust me, if you do what i say, you will |
| 13:07.02 | Shadda | ok, I'm setting up my friend's server, and I want him to host my second nameserver |
| 13:07.06 | Shadda | and I'm going to host his |
| 13:07.17 | tarzeau | abrotman: any other things you want to achive within these 6 months? |
| 13:07.34 | liable | GrimF: google the controller chipset for kernel compatability and go from there. |
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| 13:07.39 | abrotman | tarzeau: moving to switzerland ? |
| 13:07.44 | Shadda | now, I thought I knew how to do this but as I'm writing it, I'm not so sure... on his server, I'm writing the zone file for his domain, noccers.com |
| 13:07.48 | tarzeau | abrotman: and a rich sexy young woman? |
| 13:07.54 | abrotman | tarzeau: works for me |
| 13:07.57 | Shadda | IN NS ns1.noccers.com |
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| 13:08.01 | Shadda | IN NS ns12.noccers.com. |
| 13:08.07 | Shadda | (missing a . on the first) |
| 13:08.07 | abrotman | Shadda: master/slave .. this is covered in the BIND ARM |
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| 13:08.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: great, tell me when you applied, and put your key on the pgp keyserver network |
| 13:08.48 | Shadda | abrotman, can you tell me if I've got it right? in his zone file, under subdomains, ns2 IN A <the IP of MY server> |
| 13:09.04 | Shadda | and ns2 IN A <the IP of HIS server> in my zonefile |
| 13:09.06 | abrotman | tarzeau: i have to make a new key .. the email address attached to the one i've created is probably a pretty bad one to use |
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| 13:09.24 | tarzeau | abrotman: what is it? how old is it? |
| 13:09.28 | abrotman | Shadda: did you even do the replication ? |
| 13:09.35 | Shadda | eh? |
| 13:09.39 | tarzeau | abrotman: you can add new email addresses if you still have the old key and passphrase |
| 13:09.43 | abrotman | tarzeau: 2 years old :) |
| 13:10.15 | bbrazil | abrotman: you can also revoke email addresses |
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| 13:10.22 | wireddd | I don't think I am ever going to get this nvidia driver working correctly |
| 13:10.27 | abrotman | bbrazil: the key also never expires :) |
| 13:10.33 | marchino | ciao |
| 13:10.40 | GrimF | liable: I don't understand you. I'm from Ukraine and my english is not good. Sorry about that. But I have troubles with Debian Sarge installing on my home pc. Can you help me? Or where I can get help? :( I fighting this trouble second week and can't understand what is wrong... Thanks. |
| 13:10.56 | abrotman | it was really to be used with jabber .. i'm not sure i used it with anything else |
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| 13:12.12 | abrotman | Shadda: you may wish to use hostname instead .. maybe ask #dns too |
| 13:12.20 | Babbelaar | how do i make the contents of /var/www appear on /dev/hdd1 as well as the contents of /home/large |
| 13:13.11 | blondie | hmm can I get the bass/treble controls to work on a soundblaster live card? |
| 13:13.18 | liable | GrimF: the controller that your drive connects to, needs a module in the kernel for it to work. so what you need to do is google the controller (or mobo model) and try and find a kernel that supports that controller. or you may be able to set it to legacy pata mode in the bios, to install with. |
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| 13:15.42 | nn-__ | can I use cpufreqd in combination with linux 2.4? |
| 13:15.45 | liable | Babbelaar: in fstab |
| 13:15.48 | GrimF | liable: No. I think problem is not in it. Installation is going well. Debian has been successfully installed. But I can't boot it. When GRUB loading kernel last messages are: |
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| 13:16.09 | Babbelaar | liable, what to i enter, 2 moutnpoints? |
| 13:16.48 | GrimF | liable: last kernel messages are: hda: WDC WD800JB-00CRA1, ATA DISK drive |
| 13:16.48 | GrimF | hdc: PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-109, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
| 13:16.48 | GrimF | pivot_root: No such file or directory. |
| 13:16.48 | GrimF | Kernel panic: Attemped to kill init! |
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| 13:17.10 | liable | Babbelaar: two lines |
| 13:17.39 | Babbelaar | -_-, and whjat text should these lines contain? |
| 13:17.54 | bbrazil | abrotman: but you can still revoke addresses |
| 13:18.07 | liable | man mount man fstab, look in your fstab and take a wild guess. |
| 13:18.20 | abrotman | bbrazil: yeah .. but i would make a new key ... |
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| 13:18.27 | Shadda | no one up in #dns...hmmm |
| 13:18.37 | Babbelaar | if you dont know, dont talk |
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| 13:19.01 | liable | Babbelaar: what? i told you how to find the info. go fuck yourself |
| 13:19.04 | punsad | Babbelaar: why not just create a symlink of those directories in /dev/hdd1? |
| 13:19.09 | abrotman | Shadda: using the hsotname doesn't work ? |
| 13:19.51 | ptee | what the differnt between xorg vs xfree86 ? |
| 13:20.05 | Shadda | abrotman, I'm just not sure what to do here... I want 1.1.1.1 hosting ns2.carbonix.us and pointing requests to 2.2.2.2, and have 2.2.2.2 hosting ns2.noccers.com and pointing requests to 1.1.1.1 |
| 13:20.17 | ptee | hi abrotman : ) |
| 13:20.23 | abrotman | ptee: hello |
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| 13:21.16 | abrotman | Shadda: wait ... with dns .. you have primary, secondary, etc .. so you setup #1 to publish to #2 .. and @2 will then answer requests about the domain |
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| 13:22.31 | Babbelaar | i want a disk to be mounted at 2 mountpoints sothat everything i read and write from and to those 2 mountpoints end up un the same disk |
| 13:22.54 | Shadda | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/610542 |
| 13:23.01 | Shadda | there's the zone file for carbonix.us |
| 13:23.12 | resiak | Babbelaar: man mount, search for --bind |
| 13:23.30 | abrotman | Shadda: ok ... looks mostly ok .. what about it ? |
| 13:24.09 | abrotman | Shadda: you configure zone replication in your named.conf |
| 13:24.09 | krummie | hi, I just installed apache2 and did a ln -s /etc/apache2/mods-available/ssl.load /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ssl.load but still no https or listening on port 443. error.log shows only this: [warn] Init: Session Cache is not configured [hint: SSLSessionCache]. but can't figure out where or what file I should be editting to reconfigure stuff |
| 13:24.10 | Babbelaar | tnx |
| 13:24.23 | abrotman | krummie: on sarge? |
| 13:24.32 | krummie | abrotman yes, sarge |
| 13:24.34 | resiak | !tnx |
| 13:24.34 | dpkg | Really, "Thank you" will do. It's not too much to ask, is it? |
| 13:24.44 | Shadda | abrotman, I just keeping going in circles in my head when I try to work out how it should work...if I ....eh...I think something just clicked actually...If I point ns2.carbonix.us to the second IP on my registrar....no...here comes that confusion again... |
| 13:24.44 | abrotman | krummie: for some retarded reason .. it doesn't do it |
| 13:24.56 | abrotman | krummie: is there a .. listen.conf or ports.conf ? |
| 13:24.59 | krummie | abrotman doing ssl? |
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| 13:25.05 | krummie | yes there is a ports.conf |
| 13:25.12 | krummie | should I add 443 to it? |
| 13:25.26 | abrotman | krummie: in that .. do a if mod_ssl (or whatever it should be ) Listen 443 |
| 13:25.44 | Shadda | editing zone files is easy but actually thinking about how it all works drives me insane |
| 13:26.02 | Snadder | hi.. I got a big problem when upgrading from sarge to etch.. my mouse aint working.. I also just changed from xfree86 to xorg.. got a logitech 3 button wheel mouse. |
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| 13:26.25 | abrotman | Shadda: ok .. here's how it works .. you will go to the registrar ... and give IPs for ns1 and ns2 .. you will then configure ns1 to "mirror' your zone on ns2 |
| 13:26.31 | ptee | in your /usr/X11R6/bin/ has X? i couldn't find /usr/X11R6/bin/X there. anyone know how to get it? |
| 13:26.36 | resiak | !install y |
| 13:26.37 | resiak | !install x |
| 13:26.38 | dpkg | install xf4 is probably apt-get install read-edid mdetect discover; apt-get install x-window-system-core (plus whatever window manager you like, etc.), or ask me about "set up x", or "configure xf4" |
| 13:26.53 | resiak | Snadder: if you're using 2.6, drxx and choose /dev/input/mice for your mouse |
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| 13:26.57 | resiak | !tell Snadder -about drxx |
| 13:27.11 | krummie | abrotman reloading apache, getting a listen on 443 but not available for some strange reason. let me check the error log again |
| 13:27.19 | ptee | resiak : thanks. |
| 13:27.40 | nn-__ | does anyone have an idea whether cpu frequency scaling is possible with 2.4 kernels? |
| 13:27.42 | Snadder | resiak: ok. thanks. i'm using 2.6.. let me try. |
| 13:28.02 | Shadda | abrotman ok, so, at my registrar, I tell it that ns1.carbonix.us is 64.151.119.215, and ns2.carbonix.us is 69.12.216.53 |
| 13:28.03 | Shadda | right? |
| 13:28.25 | abrotman | Shadda: yes |
| 13:28.29 | GrimF | have somebody installed debian on ASUS A8N SLI Motherboard and Sata HDD? |
| 13:28.44 | GrimF | I have troubles/// :( |
| 13:28.44 | krummie | abrotman: [19/Mar/2006:15:40:34 +0100] "\x80g\x01\x03" 302 378 "-" "-" <-- access.log and [warn] Init: Session Cache is not configured [hint: SSLSessionCache] <-- error.log |
| 13:29.03 | krummie | GrimF: why? |
| 13:29.11 | abrotman | krummie: that just means you have to configure SSL correctly .. |
| 13:29.11 | strider | nn-__: it's possible, |
| 13:29.19 | Shadda | abrotman, and then, on 69.12.216.53, I...crap |
| 13:29.35 | krummie | abrotman okay I got that part but where did they hide it in debian to configure? which file? |
| 13:29.54 | abrotman | Shadda: you set it to pull from ns1 .. you must configure ns1 to allow ns2 to pull |
| 13:30.01 | GrimF | krummie: when system booting i have no messages that my stata HDD's is founded. |
| 13:30.07 | strider | nn-__: but it's better to go with a 2.6 kernel esp because of sysfs etc |
| 13:30.13 | Shadda | abrotman, sorry for being dumb...how? |
| 13:30.25 | nn-__ | strider: do I need patches for linux 2.4.32? |
| 13:30.33 | GrimF | krummie: kernel 2.6.8-2-i386 |
| 13:31.10 | abrotman | Shadda: http://www4.renater.fr/pages_dns/BIND/arm/Bv9ARM.html |
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| 13:31.33 | Shadda | thanks |
| 13:31.35 | krummie | GrimF I don't know if the nforce chipset is being supported by that kernel. But which of the two sata controllers are you using with the sata hdd? the sillicon image or the nforce one? |
| 13:31.35 | abrotman | Shadda: it should be in there .. you'll need to read about master/slave .. notifiy .. and i can't spell .. |
| 13:32.23 | strider | nn-__: not sure, you might have to patch the kernel. |
| 13:32.30 | abrotman | Shadda: 3.1.2 has examples .. |
| 13:32.40 | abrotman | Shadda: rather .. section 3.1.2 |
| 13:32.48 | Shadda | readin, thanks |
| 13:32.50 | nn-__ | strider: what kind of advantages does sysfs offer in this context? |
| 13:33.02 | krummie | so abrotman, nothing weird in the error.log just no https available |
| 13:33.21 | abrotman | Shadda: if you see the sections for master and slave .. and allow-transfer .. might all make sense |
| 13:33.45 | abrotman | krummie: is it listening on 443? |
| 13:33.59 | krummie | abrotman, yes |
| 13:34.06 | GrimF | krummie: nforce (not raid) sata1 channel for WD740 Raptor, on which I want install linux, and sata2 channel for WD2500KS HDD, in which I install /home directory (mount it while installing). I also have HDD WD800JB which is founded as hda. Earlier I have installed this debian system on IDE WD800JB |
| 13:34.06 | Shadda | yeah... so put in my named.conf file, on carbonix.us, allow-transfer { 64.151.119.215, 69.12.216.53 } |
| 13:34.08 | Shadda | right? |
| 13:34.09 | krummie | but unavailable |
| 13:34.26 | abrotman | Shadda: you only have to transfer to the one slave |
| 13:34.47 | Shadda | so just the latter IP then |
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| 13:35.21 | krummie | GrimF I never used the nforce sata part. Just the other one of which I'm sure it's being recognized |
| 13:35.25 | krummie | err yesh |
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| 13:35.28 | krummie | fuck |
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| 13:37.29 | GrimF | krummie: have you installed once debian on any sata HDD? |
| 13:37.31 | Shadda | crap. I'm lost...oh well, screw it, I'll just keep em on our own servers for now |
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| 13:38.41 | krummie | GrimF I have 3 x WD36 GB Raptors in raid 0 on the same board with no problem at all =) |
| 13:39.09 | krummie | still: I'm not using the nforce sata ports |
| 13:39.43 | krummie | GrimF why not install debian on a normal speedy pc? |
| 13:39.43 | robin_sz | greetings. Of the many packages for some sort fo simple backup system, not necessarily networked, that can keep a reasonably efficient backup from some dirs on a single machine .. what is the Debian way? |
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| 13:40.17 | GrimF | krummie: wow. but what distr. of linux have you install and what kernel do you use? |
| 13:40.27 | krummie | the SLI crap is made for windows. I'm on windows right now. I installed debian a while ago and it was ok but way to expensive to have hardware in your pc and not using them |
| 13:40.41 | SlayerXP | Robi-: amanda is reasonable. |
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| 13:40.51 | krummie | GrimF I'm wrong .. it was ubuntu |
| 13:40.57 | krummie | sorry not debian but ubuntu |
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| 13:41.04 | robin_sz | SlayerXP: I tried amanda, but it seemd to have a fscination for tapes ... |
| 13:41.07 | nn-__ | krummie: what kind of hardware are you talking about? |
| 13:41.26 | SlayerXP | robin_sz: you can pretend. |
| 13:41.42 | robin_sz | SlayerXP: i was hoping for somehting that would write to CD ro CDR |
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| 13:41.54 | krummie | nn-__ Asus SLI Board |
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| 13:42.00 | SlayerXP | robin_sz: mondo rescue perhaps? |
| 13:42.01 | GrimF | krummie: Please, can you help me with installation? I want ask You some questions :) |
| 13:42.08 | krummie | :/ |
| 13:42.16 | krummie | GrimF ubuntu does it all for you |
| 13:42.23 | Pio | qualcuno mi aiuta con Postfix? |
| 13:42.23 | krummie | I'm on windows now |
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| 13:42.30 | TurboBee | I have my debian computer al setup with two ethernet cards, I can ping my other computer on the network no problem. I am trying to share the internet connection with that conmputer but I don't seem to be having any luck. |
| 13:42.34 | asg | Pio: #postfix |
| 13:42.44 | Pio | thanks:-) |
| 13:42.49 | krummie | Pio perhaps #postfix-es ? |
| 13:42.55 | krummie | if it's spanish :P |
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| 13:43.08 | GrimF | krummie: thanks. but why ubunto, I like debian :) |
| 13:43.12 | TurboBee | I set the /proc/sys/net/ipv4 thing to 1 |
| 13:43.22 | TurboBee | and tried some iptables scripts but they didnt seem to work |
| 13:43.26 | krummie | GrimF try ubuntu with your hardware :) |
| 13:43.51 | robin_sz | TurboBee: I presume this is ADSL on one card, home network on the other right? |
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| 13:44.16 | TurboBee | eth0 is connected to cable modem and eth1 is connected to local network |
| 13:44.25 | TurboBee | so yes |
| 13:44.57 | robin_sz | TurboBee: right, so you need to run NAT to map the local IPs onto that connection |
| 13:45.24 | GrimF | krummie: thanks for all. I'd try. But can I try to compile kernel-2.6.15.5 and bott debian from it? What do you think about that? :) |
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| 13:45.47 | vin` | krummie: debian supports way more hardware than ubuntu. |
| 13:45.47 | TurboBee | robin do you have a sample i can refer to? I've been looking up howto's and even used my old script I had setup, but for some reason it doesn't seem to be right |
| 13:45.54 | robin_sz | http://documents.made-it.com/Debian_Internet_Server/Debian_Internet_Server-13.html |
| 13:46.08 | abrotman | Shadda: it's pretty easy to do |
| 13:46.21 | Snadder | i've tried to use X -configure.. but then it just crash.. i've also tried to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org and made the mouse use /dev/input/mice.. since I got a 2.6 kernel.. |
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| 13:46.52 | vin` | GrimF: try the etch d-i (testing) it comes with .15 |
| 13:46.59 | Snadder | I see that the mouse is connected.. since the laser have power.. but the mouse aint working:\ |
| 13:47.15 | krummie | vin` I don't know of that. I only said that ubuntu went well with my hardware that's the same as GrimF's .. never flamed debian not being able to get itself installed on my pc |
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| 13:48.24 | Snadder | none know how I can locate my problem with my mouse? |
| 13:48.31 | TurboBee | hmm could it be that i have ipchains and iptables installed together? |
| 13:48.41 | krummie | Snadder feed it to a cat! |
| 13:48.46 | krummie | :P |
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| 13:49.31 | GrimF | vin': have you ever installed etch? How it in work? I'm not shure on install it because it is testing one... What you think about that? |
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| 13:50.06 | Snadder | krummie: if it only was that easy:p |
| 13:50.14 | Zrin | GrimF: I installed testing yesterday |
| 13:50.43 | Zrin | GrimF: it depends on hardware and your experience, as always |
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| 13:51.14 | Snadder | damn.. I always got a problem with eather my monitor or my mouse.. when I upgrade or install... DAMN! :\ |
| 13:51.16 | Babbelaar | how do i change the directorie where the apache files are stored for displaying when a user is not specified (i mean the option of which the default is |
| 13:51.16 | Babbelaar | "/var/www") |
| 13:51.32 | vin` | GrimF: or /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.15 |
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| 13:52.07 | wols | Babbelaar: /etc/apache/. DocumentRoot somewhere in there |
| 13:52.11 | GrimF | Zrin: Have you some troubles with etch distr.? :) |
| 13:52.18 | Snadder | does it matter that I got a backported sarge 2.6.16 kernel.. and then upgraded to etch.. but didnt think it installed a new kernel. |
| 13:52.29 | Snadder | .15 I mean. |
| 13:52.42 | GrimF | Zrin: i'm unsure to install it... |
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| 13:53.04 | vin` | Shadda: install a new kernel, the package is called linux-image-foo |
| 13:53.20 | robin_sz | Babbelaar: but .. you probably dont want to do that, as all sorts of useful stuff goes in /var/www automgically ...you PROBABLY want to create some vhosts |
| 13:53.37 | Snadder | vin` that was to me?.. |
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| 13:53.43 | GrimF | vin': sorry, but I don't understand you. What you mean on /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.15? :) |
| 13:53.46 | Zrin | GrimF: yes, the new kernel (also included in the installer) did not properly initialize the chipset. older kernels / installers were o.k. after booting with acpi=off it ran smoothly |
| 13:53.53 | vin` | !sarge 2.6.15 |
| 13:53.54 | dpkg | somebody said sarge 2.6.15 was http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm or for amd64/em64t http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615-amd64.htm |
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| 13:54.01 | vin` | Snadder: yes. |
| 13:54.09 | Babbelaar | i want a user to be able to use it as its home directory on a different filesystem |
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| 13:54.24 | Snadder | vin` I tried to install both linux-image and kernel-image |
| 13:54.34 | Zrin | GrimF: if you need a testing system, go for testing; if you need a production system stick with stable |
| 13:54.39 | Snadder | vin` but the vmlinuz didnt get updated |
| 13:54.43 | vekpos | hello! anyone here, who has alsa and a surround-system? |
| 13:54.44 | GrimF | Zrin: Oh, than I must wait... |
| 13:55.05 | Zrin | GrimF: testing is expensive |
| 13:55.06 | Babbelaar | or i want a user to write to it over ftp |
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| 13:55.54 | quipucamalloc | i cant play any sound i have tried typing esd on command line but get this error : /dev/dsp: No such file or directory any help? |
| 13:56.17 | robin_sz | Babbelaar: neither needs you to change the doc root from /var/www |
| 13:56.22 | nn-__ | quipucamalloc: do you have oss emulation enabled? |
| 13:56.28 | GrimF | Zrin: I wan't debian and not some other distr. Af I understand you right, I can't install debian stable now on my machine? :(((( |
| 13:56.48 | Zrin | GrimF: why not ?!? |
| 13:56.56 | Babbelaar | robin_sz: do you fully understand the issue? |
| 13:56.59 | robin_sz | yes |
| 13:57.04 | vin` | Snadder: try it again, specify the package, aptitude search linux-image helps. |
| 13:57.08 | Babbelaar | then what do you sugest |
| 13:57.13 | quipucamalloc | dont know , how can i tell if i have oss emulation enabled? |
| 13:57.17 | wols | GrimF: use a newer kernel and you will be fine with stable |
| 13:57.23 | GrimF | Zrin: Because I can't install Debian Sarge and it is stable version. |
| 13:57.24 | robin_sz | Babbelaar: you want users to be able to upload stuff, but not give them write permissions on /var/www |
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| 13:57.29 | wols | but new hardware sometimes needs new drivers/kernels |
| 13:57.47 | GrimF | Zrin: Than how I can install it and boot to it? |
| 13:57.49 | Babbelaar | robin_sz: sorry not at all |
| 13:57.51 | Zrin | GrimF: is it only the kernel? |
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| 13:58.12 | Virtual | I got a USB to Bluetooth adaptor, what do i need to install to get it to work, i installed kdebluetooth, bluez-utils and anything from bluez |
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| 13:58.23 | Shadda | k I've found it |
| 13:58.25 | Shadda | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belly_button_fluff |
| 13:58.26 | Zrin | GrimF: can you boot with 2.6.8 kernel that is included in the installer? |
| 13:58.29 | Shadda | The strangest article on wikipedia. |
| 13:58.33 | robin_sz | Babbelaar: you told me you want: users to upload over FTP, thats about all |
| 13:58.36 | GrimF | Zrin: I'm asking anybody in what is my problem, when I can boot on debian sarge |
| 13:58.52 | Babbelaar | and the whole story before that |
| 13:58.53 | GrimF | Zrin: because it not found my 2 HDD'S |
| 13:59.00 | Babbelaar | im typing a more specific question now |
| 13:59.16 | marlun | I've got a old computer that I would like to install debian on, but I'm wondering if it's possible to do it through ssh or some other way because I don't want to have to connect a monitor to it. |
| 13:59.23 | GrimF | Zrin: No. I can't boot with 2.6.8 kernel :( |
| 13:59.32 | Shadda | The existence of navel lint is entirely harmless, and requires no corrective action. |
| 13:59.33 | Shadda | thank god |
| 13:59.36 | Shadda | I was worried... |
| 13:59.47 | robin_sz | Babbelaar: set up some vhosts in /etc/apache/conf.d/ |
| 13:59.47 | Zrin | GrimF: sorry, I missed that ... did you try to find drivers for your (SATA?) chipset? |
| 14:00.16 | GrimF | Zrin: I have Kernel panik! pivot_root - no such file or directory |
| 14:00.20 | robin_sz | Babbelaar: point the doc root in the vhosrts at say, /home/fred/mywebsite/public_html/ |
| 14:00.50 | Zrin | GrimF: and 2.6.15 does boot? |
| 14:00.55 | pingouin | i have troubles to 'erase' (rewrite on) dvd+RW with growisofs, the burner do it, but it's not readable after any help/clue on it ? |
| 14:00.56 | quipucamalloc | nn-__ how do i tell if i have oss emulation enabled?? |
| 14:00.58 | GrimF | Zrin: and there are no messages about my sata drives which is hdb and hdc.. founded only hda IDE drive and pioneer dvd-rw ata drive |
| 14:01.01 | robin_sz | set a DNS entry fred.myhost.com to point to the IP of your box |
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| 14:01.35 | Snadder | vin` my problem is not to find the package.. but it said the package already was installed.. since I got it installed from a sarge-backport mirror.. is that package the same as the one in etch? |
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| 14:02.08 | robin_sz | Babbelaar: when you address the box by IP you will get the docs from /var/www, when yu call it as fred.myhost.com (which is the same IP) you will get the docs from /home/fred/mywebsite/ or whatever |
| 14:02.14 | Zrin | GrimF: so, did you try the current testing installer? |
| 14:02.16 | GrimF | Zrin: I don't know about booting with 2.6.15 kernel version. I'm asking somebody, can I try to compile it and boot to it, or it not? |
| 14:02.33 | Snadder | vin` I even did an --reinstall.. and the vmlinuz file was still the old one (with same kernel version).. as the one in the sarge backport mirror |
| 14:03.01 | vin` | Snadder: is that the kernel you are running? |
| 14:03.06 | Zrin | GrimF: ok, then first try following: download the "business card" iso image for the current installer for 'testing' and try to boot |
| 14:03.18 | GrimF | Zrin: I have not install etch distr. yet. |
| 14:03.23 | robin_sz | Babbelaar: its the way it is usually done ... many packages install useful stuff to /var/www ... you dont really want to lose all that unless you really really have to .. and it would be a strange thing to do |
| 14:03.26 | Snadder | vin` yes.. i'm running 2.6.15 now.. the one I installed before I upgraded to etch |
| 14:03.33 | Zrin | GrimF: just try the installer -see if you can boot |
| 14:03.39 | nn-__ | quipucamalloc: It's a compile time option for the kernel |
| 14:04.00 | Snadder | vin` but I doubt thats the problem.. |
| 14:04.15 | quipucamalloc | wich config file should i look? |
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| 14:04.18 | Zrin | GrimF: it's only 8 MiB download |
| 14:04.21 | Babbelaar | i want the /var/www files stored on /dev/hdd1, which is also the location where the /home/large files are located. "large" is not a user. its a group. i |
| 14:04.21 | Babbelaar | have group homes turned on. the group-name "large" is refering to: "users in "group large" have their files stored in "/home/large" ". i want the user |
| 14:04.21 | Babbelaar | "devcore |
| 14:04.30 | GrimF | Zrin: Please, can you tell be about what is "buisiness card" iso image? I don't khow what it is? |
| 14:04.31 | Babbelaar | neverm ind |
| 14:04.40 | Babbelaar | accedentely pressed enter |
| 14:04.41 | Zrin | !netinstall |
| 14:04.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, netinst is a small cd or set of floppy images which install the base Debian system. For sarge, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ For boot floppies see http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ For etch see http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/etch_d-i/i386/beta1/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso for x86, or see dialup install. Also see d-i. |
| 14:04.43 | Snadder | vin` I'm just wondring about what could be the problem with my mouse.. and if the kernel got something to do with it |
| 14:05.04 | Snadder | DAMN!... I cant even navigate the menu's in X.. and start programs.. |
| 14:05.19 | GrimF | Zrin: I will download it, but where? From debian ftp? |
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| 14:05.43 | robin_sz | why would apoache ever need to know of they are on /dev/hdd1 ... thats linux, it should not be able to tell |
| 14:05.57 | Zrin | GrimF: go to www.debian.org and find that 8 MiB image for 'testing' |
| 14:06.04 | vin` | Snadder: what's wrong with the mouse? |
| 14:06.17 | robin_sz | just set the homes up in /etc/passwd surely? job done. |
| 14:06.43 | Snadder | vin` the mouse is just placed at the middle of the screen.. impossible to move it around. |
| 14:06.48 | GrimF | Zrin: Sorry, but can you tell me full name of that image? |
| 14:07.00 | GrimF | Zrin: only name, not path |
| 14:07.05 | jarjar26 | Hi all ! I use Debian Etch, and i want mkinitrd, but pakages seems to not exist :( does mkinitrd are in other kernel package ? |
| 14:07.08 | Snadder | vin` the mouse is connected with a normal ps/2 port.. just as my keyboard.. |
| 14:07.20 | GrimF | Zrin: I will download it |
| 14:07.37 | Snadder | vin` and my mouse got power.. since I see the laser when I move on the mouse. |
| 14:07.38 | GrimF | Zrin: and try to boot from it. |
| 14:07.59 | robin_sz | Babbelaar: what you really need to do is set the mount point for your /dev/hdd1 disk to be /var/www |
| 14:08.14 | Snadder | vin` but still the mouse dosnt work |
| 14:08.27 | quipucamalloc | grimf i can guide you ... answer on private msg |
| 14:08.29 | Babbelaar | i want the /var/www files stored on /dev/hdd1, which is also the location where the /home/large files are located. "large" is not a user. its a group. i |
| 14:08.29 | Babbelaar | have grouphomes turned on in adduser.conf . the group-name "large" is refering to: "users in "group large" have their files stored in "/home/large" ". The |
| 14:08.29 | Babbelaar | mountpoint for "/dev/hdd1" is set to "/home/large", sothat all the users in group "large" have their home on "/dev/hdd1" thanks to grouphome i want the |
| 14:08.29 | Babbelaar | user "devcore" |
| 14:08.29 | robin_sz | Babbelaar: thats the linux way ... the layout of the filesystem does not change .. but the phyiscla devices its using might |
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| 14:08.47 | vin` | Snadder: fix /etc/X11/xorg.conf confirm psmouse and mousedev are loaded etc. |
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| 14:09.30 | Zrin | GrimF: go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 14:09.43 | robin_sz | cant help thinking he was making that WAY harder than it needed to be |
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| 14:10.06 | locus | stupid kernel config question: do the dashes in "--- any_option" mean that this option name is informational or can't I choose this option because of a prereq.? (actually, Im talking about "--- Networking support" using a vanilla 2.6.15.6 kernel) |
| 14:10.08 | quipucamalloc | GrimF: I can guide you trough send me a private msg |
| 14:10.32 | GrimF | quipucamalloc: are you hear my private msg? |
| 14:10.40 | Zrin | GrimF: debian-testing-i386-businesscard.iso |
| 14:10.45 | GrimF | Zrin: thanks a lot :) |
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| 14:10.49 | Zrin | GrimF: if you have i386 |
| 14:11.16 | quipucamalloc | GrimF: You are not sending any private msgs to me |
| 14:11.20 | GrimF | Zrin: yes, i386 |
| 14:11.26 | Zrin | GrimF: and it's 50 MB ... |
| 14:11.31 | Snadder | vin` where can I check that psmouse and mousedev are loaded? |
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| 14:11.45 | asg | Snadder: lsmod |
| 14:12.07 | GrimF | guipucammalloc: maybe its my firewall. :( I'll try once more |
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| 14:12.24 | Snadder | I can only see mousedev |
| 14:12.28 | colter | hello |
| 14:12.34 | Snadder | not psmouse |
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| 14:12.36 | asg | Snadder: modprobe psmouse |
| 14:13.07 | GrimF | Zrin: 50 MB is not problem :) |
| 14:13.08 | Snadder | nice.. that was the problem:-D |
| 14:13.20 | quipucamalloc | GrimF: go to channel #guide |
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| 14:13.45 | Snadder | asg, vin` you saved my day:-) |
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| 14:14.47 | Chigvan | hello, I'm using alsa on 2.14 kernel, but everytime I boot i have to run alsaconf again, how do I get alsaconf to run at start up? I've got ac97 plugin and sound entered in modules. |
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| 14:15.08 | Snadder | bbl.. |
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| 14:20.07 | bkhl | Any xmove users here? |
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| 14:20.22 | bkhl | I'm wondering if there's anything I can do to get its speed up. It's really horrible. |
| 14:20.49 | iank6 | Hey all. Debian, by default, runs X with -nolisten tcp. Where should I look, to turn that off? |
| 14:21.28 | bkhl | iank6: a) /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc |
| 14:21.37 | bkhl | iank6: b) that's probably not what you want. ;-) |
| 14:22.43 | iank6 | Nope, that's what I want. Thanks. |
| 14:24.20 | dvs | Chigvan: is ALSA working now? |
| 14:24.31 | Chigvan | dvs , yes |
| 14:25.02 | dvs | Chigvan: lspci | grep snd_ and paste the output somewhere (not here) |
| 14:27.11 | Chigvan | dvs, lspic | grep snd_ or sound dosent give any output, (sorry i'm a newbie) |
| 14:27.18 | dvs | lspci |
| 14:27.34 | Chigvan | yes, lspci , typo |
| 14:28.02 | dvs | Duh, it's me ;-) |
| 14:28.08 | dvs | Chigvan: lsmod | grep snd_ |
| 14:28.11 | strider | lsmod |
| 14:28.15 | dbe | why is not Debian at http://www.gnu.org/links/links.html#FreeGNULinuxDistributions ? |
| 14:28.46 | abrotman | dbe: ask #gnu ? |
| 14:28.57 | dbe | abrotman, they don't answer |
| 14:29.04 | abrotman | so wait |
| 14:29.18 | Chigvan | dvs, lsmod | grep snd_ , no output either |
| 14:29.20 | krummie | I suck |
| 14:29.21 | krummie | brb |
| 14:29.22 | dbe | abrotman, yes, hello btw =) |
| 14:29.40 | dvs | Chigvan: Then your sound is currently not working |
| 14:29.50 | abrotman | hi |
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| 14:30.34 | Chigvan | dvs, but speaker-test works fine, there is sound |
| 14:30.48 | dvs | Chigvan: Then run lsmod and post the output |
| 14:30.48 | dvs | (not here) |
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| 14:30.56 | bartden | hi, i have a problem with alsa, i installed alsa-base alsa-source alsa-tools and alsa-utils, i also added alsa in kernel and built the correct modules and added them to /etc/modules, when i run alsaconf and select my soundcard, and restart kde sound server my sound works, so i do a alsactl store, but when i reboot my sound wont work anymore, and i have to rerun alsaconf , any idea's ? |
| 14:31.20 | quipucamalloc | i cant play any sound .. how do i enable oss emulation? ... have to recompile kernel? |
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| 14:31.44 | dvs | quipucamalloc: not with a Debian kernel |
| 14:31.59 | Snadder | whats the diffrence between the linux-image packages and the kernel-image ones? |
| 14:32.14 | dvs | Snadder: linux-image is the new way! |
| 14:32.28 | quipucamalloc | so what i do i do to enable oss emulation? |
| 14:32.39 | dvs | quipucamalloc: modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 14:32.40 | asg | Snadder: since Debian now has kernels other than Linux, the decision was made to use linux-image |
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| 14:33.00 | abrotman | asg: admittedly . it's had them for a whle |
| 14:33.09 | asg | abrotman: indeed |
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| 14:33.10 | dvs | a whale? |
| 14:33.12 | Snadder | asg: ah. ok.. so its only the naming which is changed. |
| 14:33.22 | dvs | Snadder: yup |
| 14:33.43 | Chigvan | dvs, lsmod | grep snd_ , gives nothing, but lsmod | grep sound , gives output - soundcore 3268 4 [snd] |
| 14:34.08 | dvs | Chigvan: if lsmod | grep snd_ gives nothing then you are not using ALSA |
| 14:34.13 | quipucamalloc | how do i tell debian to modprobe that at startup? |
| 14:34.26 | dvs | quipucamalloc: put the module name in /etc/modules |
| 14:34.31 | quipucamalloc | thanks |
| 14:34.39 | dvs | quipucamalloc: you're welcome |
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| 14:35.24 | Chigvan | dvs, ok thanks, I'll try re-installing |
| 14:35.31 | dvs | Chigvan: reinstalling what? |
| 14:35.45 | Chigvan | alsa module |
| 14:35.52 | dvs | !alsaconf |
| 14:35.57 | dvs | grrr |
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| 14:36.02 | Chigvan | sorry |
| 14:36.08 | dvs | Chigvan: apt-get install alsautils |
| 14:36.29 | dvs | !info alsautils sarge |
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| 14:37.26 | _ThePiratemaster | do symbolic links work with reading and writing, and would it be exactly like the file it links to would be in the symlinks location? |
| 14:37.50 | wols | more or less if you use fopen() |
| 14:38.03 | wols | but obviously not exactly since there ware ways to distinguish symlinks |
| 14:38.15 | _ThePiratemaster | yea okay |
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| 14:39.00 | streuner | !info alsa-utils sarge |
| 14:39.01 | dpkg | alsa-utils: (ALSA utilities), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.0.8-4 (sarge), Packaged size: 142 kB, Installed size: 412 kB |
| 14:39.39 | _ThePiratemaster | so i could move /var/www around and place a symlink instead/ |
| 14:39.59 | _ThePiratemaster | ? |
| 14:40.02 | dvs | _ThePiratemaster: for sure |
| 14:40.19 | _ThePiratemaster | tnx |
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| 14:40.36 | rvsjoen | hm.... rkhunter reports "Please inspect this machine, because it can be infected" and when I review the logs I see that syslog-ng is not running. However there are no trace of it ever shutting down. And it starts just fine. Should I be worried ? |
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| 14:40.54 | Chigvan | alsa-utils is already installed |
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| 14:41.02 | dvs | Chigvan: then run alsaconf |
| 14:41.09 | setuid | Where is the latest, most-current Debian ISO for the closest-to-Sid version? |
| 14:41.09 | Chigvan | dvs, done that |
| 14:41.12 | setuid | Would that be Sarge? |
| 14:41.15 | dvs | Chigvan: this session? |
| 14:41.16 | Snadder | anyone know which module I need loaded to get this maiboard raid hds to work: RAID bus controller: Promise Technology, Inc. PDC20276 (MBFastTrak133 Lite) (rev 01) |
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| 14:41.19 | setuid | Ubuntu was a complete trainwreck |
| 14:41.20 | Chigvan | dvs, yes |
| 14:41.35 | dvs | Chigvan: then "lsmod | grep snd" should show something |
| 14:41.49 | setuid | Breezy and Dapper are complete, dismal failures on 6 of my machines, including their DVD version, Flight 5, and dapper-server. |
| 14:42.04 | Chigvan | dvs, aha ! it does now ! |
| 14:42.12 | setuid | So much random breakage in their kernels, failure to boot after booting for days without a problem, lots of weird stuff going on. |
| 14:42.29 | dvs | Chigvan: should have always worked but anyways post the output |
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| 14:43.12 | setuid | Looks like cdimage.d.o is down |
| 14:43.19 | setuid | All links here are broken -> http://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ |
| 14:44.11 | useruser | anyone use openbox here? I'd like to know if it's possible to add keyboard shortcuts to maximize windows and so on |
| 14:44.41 | Chigvan | umm where can I post the output? |
| 14:44.49 | dvs | !paster |
| 14:44.49 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 14:44.56 | Chigvan | !paster |
| 14:44.59 | Snadder | wow.. I found it.. pdc202xx_new :-) |
| 14:45.08 | dvs | !beer Snadder |
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| 14:46.32 | setuid | Do any of the Debian installers support XFS as a target filesystem? I've got 3.01r2 here and it doesn't... |
| 14:47.02 | leikh | i want to access cupsys webadmin from remote client. i've set allow all in cupsd.conf, but it didn't help. suggestions? |
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| 14:47.10 | Chigvan | dvs, ok i've pasted it - http://channels.debian.net/paste/2180 |
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| 14:47.19 | bartden | m |
| 14:47.36 | bartden | l |
| 14:47.42 | dvs | Chigvan: add "snd_pcm_oss" and "snd_intel8x0" to the end of /etc/modules |
| 14:47.45 | bartden | hi, i have a problem with alsa, i installed alsa-base alsa-source alsa-tools and alsa-utils, i also added alsa in kernel and built the correct modules and added them to /etc/modules, when i run alsaconf and select my soundcard, and restart kde sound server my sound works, so i do a alsactl store, but when i reboot my sound wont work anymore, and i have to rerun alsaconf , any idea's ? |
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| 14:48.47 | KomiaPoika | for net install of latest stable release do i pick what filename? |
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| 14:49.24 | Chigvan | dvs, thanks, I've done that, I'll try booting now and feed back, thanks a lot |
| 14:49.33 | dvs | Chigvan: you're welcome |
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| 14:50.08 | quipucamalloc | is there any tools to help me repair my apt/sources.list ?? |
| 14:50.20 | dvs | quipucamalloc: apt-setup |
| 14:52.11 | Snadder | my next problem is.. my soundcard... that was the main reason I upgraded.. |
| 14:52.11 | madona | Hello, I have a problem with tomcat5 and a web application. I dont know what to look in for. I have /join #tomcat but everybody seams to me asleep... can anybody help me? |
| 14:52.17 | MadRabbit | hi all, how do I make scrollbars wider? I'm running PCLinuxOS (which is s'posed to be a debian distro), and, yes I'm a noob in linux. I've been in forums, read faq's and howto's, but still haven't found "how to"...would a theme include that option? tried both gnome and kde. thanks. |
| 14:52.46 | dvs | !debian based |
| 14:52.46 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 14:52.56 | phogg | MadRabbit: scrollbar width is a window manager problem, not a distribution problem |
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| 14:53.14 | setuid | So all I need is the Stage 3 bootable ISO? |
| 14:53.37 | phogg | MadRabbit: ask in ##linux |
| 14:53.41 | wols | there is no "stage 3" |
| 14:53.43 | strider | setuid: ? |
| 14:54.05 | wols | strider: most probably a spy |
| 14:54.06 | setuid | Wrong channel |
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| 14:54.24 | MadRabbit | ok, thanks! |
| 14:54.28 | Virtual | I got a USB to Bluetooth adaptor, what do i need to install to get it to work, i installed kdebluetooth, bluez-utils and anything from bluez |
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| 14:56.25 | phatfish | How do i get info on what daemons are currently running on the system? |
| 14:56.50 | wols | "ps aux" or top |
| 14:56.57 | wols | but it won't show you if it's daemon |
| 14:57.05 | bb | oi |
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| 14:57.39 | mathieu | hi, when i type 'locale', everything in en_US.UTF-8. however, all messages are printed in french. What setting do i need to change? |
| 14:57.41 | krummie | 15:57:25 up 255 days, 17:55, 2 users, load average: 0.06, 0.08, 0.03 |
| 14:57.44 | krummie | woops |
| 14:58.06 | krummie | uhm my config files seem to be very fucked up |
| 14:58.07 | krummie | brb |
| 14:58.10 | POVaddct | which module is needed for silicon image sata/raid controller (pci id: 1095:3114)? |
| 14:58.25 | phatfish | wols, theres not a command that shows you just deamons and their runlevel and such (it was easy on gentoo :p)? |
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| 14:58.48 | wols | if it's on gentoo, use their program |
| 14:58.51 | bb | oi |
| 14:58.52 | wols | it's all sysvinit... |
| 14:59.03 | phatfish | ok thanks |
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| 15:00.28 | marlun | I've got a old computer that I would like to install debian on, but I'm wondering if it's possible to do it through ssh or some other way because I don't want to have to connect a monitor to it? |
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| 15:03.40 | quipucamalloc | how do i enable CONFIG_ACPI ?? wich file im looking for? |
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| 15:05.49 | quipucamalloc | how do i enable CONFIG_ACPI ?? any help? |
| 15:06.01 | orchid | quipucamalloc: it's a kernel setting |
| 15:06.17 | orchid | quipucamalloc: you set in your kernel config and rebuild the kernel |
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| 15:06.35 | weissi | quipucamalloc, PowerManagementOptions->PowerManagementSupport->ACPI->ACPI Support |
| 15:06.45 | quipucamalloc | done it thanxs |
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| 15:07.18 | weissi | quipucamalloc, don't you have a std debian kernel (hasn't it acpi already built?)? |
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| 15:10.46 | Snadder | hi.. I got Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy LS.. using module snd_ca0106.. but my sound card aint working.. |
| 15:10.57 | Snadder | i've unmuted.. and turned up the volum. |
| 15:11.03 | Storkme | hey guys, i'm using GKrellM to monitor my system, and it has four temp inputs. temp1, temp2, temp3, and THRM. how can i tell where they all are so i can understand them? |
| 15:11.03 | Snadder | in alsamixergui |
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| 15:11.14 | blondie | turn your speakers on |
| 15:11.46 | Snadder | thats not the problem.. as xmms always start with volum at the bottom |
| 15:11.57 | Snadder | even if I turn it up.. and restart xmms.. |
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| 15:12.10 | kookaburra | you know how when you install debian the installer asks you to give your system a name? can you rename your system later? |
| 15:12.11 | blondie | try a different program |
| 15:12.16 | blondie | kookaburra: yes |
| 15:12.21 | blondie | you mean the hostname? |
| 15:12.24 | kookaburra | right |
| 15:12.39 | kookaburra | the hostname. is it possible to change that? |
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| 15:12.51 | weissi | kookaburra, yes /etc/hostname |
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| 15:13.06 | kookaburra | cool. |
| 15:13.12 | blondie | etc /etc/hosts too |
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| 15:13.20 | blondie | and run "hostname <newhostname>" |
| 15:13.22 | Anthro | Is it dangerous to mount an ext3 filesystem read-only while an fsck is running on it? |
| 15:13.34 | blondie | s/etc/edit/ |
| 15:13.36 | strider | !tell kookaburra about hostname |
| 15:13.41 | asg | Anthro: if fsck is running on it, it should be ro anyway |
| 15:13.48 | Storkme | hey guys, i'm using GKrellM to monitor my system, and it has four temp inputs. temp1, temp2, temp3, and THRM. how can i tell where they all are so i can understand them? |
| 15:14.04 | Anthro | asg: Well, it was unmounted, and I wanted to mount it. |
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| 15:14.27 | Anthro | asg: This is more for future reference. The fsck has finished and the filesystem is again mounted rw. |
| 15:14.53 | Snadder | gmplayer returns: unable to find simple control 'PCM',0 |
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| 15:15.24 | asg | Anthro: in that case, I don't know for sure. I wouldn't risk it personally. |
| 15:15.34 | Anthro | asg: Okay, thanks. |
| 15:15.45 | Sebulba02 | Hey, when first setting up a system, it asks if the hardware clock is in GMT, where is this setting found? I need to change it. |
| 15:16.11 | asg | Sebulba02: /etc/default/rcS |
| 15:16.27 | Sebulba02 | cool, thanks |
| 15:16.28 | Snadder | blondie, when I eg turn on xmms.. "fuser -v /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p" returns /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p: sander 14896 F...m xmms |
| 15:16.46 | blondie | O.o |
| 15:17.55 | Snadder | any more modules I should load? |
| 15:18.17 | Snadder | or some programs I should install?... anything which might help. |
| 15:19.01 | strider | Storkme: most probably just parsing from /proc |
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| 15:19.58 | Storkme | strider, how exactly? |
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| 15:22.05 | on1009 | hi iam trying to install / run salome CAE-tool and on startup it says couldnt find libssl.so.2 which i cant find either (by using locate) is this lib not in debian what could i do? |
| 15:22.06 | strider | Storkme: say cat /proc/cpuinfo or /proc/acpi/thermal etc |
| 15:22.22 | wols | Storkme: temps are not standardized. so all you can do is look in BIOS and check which is which most probably |
| 15:22.23 | asg | on1009: /msg dpkg search |
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| 15:23.28 | Noboru | i came back to linux |
| 15:23.47 | Noboru | i have not used linux for a while |
| 15:24.38 | tonix | hi guys, i lost information about filesystem type on my partition. Cfdisk tell me that my home partition is Linux type but does'nt recognize the ext3 filesystem. How can i reset the partition to ext3 without lose data on it??!!! thanks a lot |
| 15:24.54 | on1009 | asg i did a apt-cache search libssl.so it returned some but not libssl.so.2 does it need to be aliased or so? |
| 15:25.32 | asg | on1009: there is a libss.so.2 but the ssl libraries are 0.9.7. |
| 15:25.39 | wols | tonix: if mount can't mount it anymore, it's corrupted. nothing to do with partition table entry |
| 15:26.20 | tonix | wols: are you joking?? ... i hope yes.. :-) |
| 15:26.25 | on1009 | ill try a link from libssl.so.2 to libssl.0.9.7 then |
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| 15:26.34 | wols | tonix: no I'm not. can you mount the partition? |
| 15:26.41 | on1009 | so missing somewhere |
| 15:26.49 | asg | on1009: are you sure it was libssl.so.2 and not libss.so.2? |
| 15:26.52 | tonix | wols: there is no way/tool to recover partition information about my ext3 home partition? |
| 15:26.59 | wols | tonix: fsck |
| 15:27.03 | tonix | wols: no, i can't! |
| 15:27.23 | wols | then you have to fsck it and pray. but most probably it's dead. data lost |
| 15:27.25 | tonix | wols: fsck tell me that is not able to find superblock information... |
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| 15:27.34 | on1009 | asg now that u ask not any more although i did read it twice or so .... |
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| 15:28.07 | wols | tonix: there is no tool. how did the partition get that way in the first place? dead harddisk? |
| 15:28.14 | on1009 | asg no no its libssl.so.2 |
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| 15:28.29 | Assid | heya |
| 15:28.41 | Assid | anyone know how to fix this: |
| 15:28.41 | Assid | rtc: lost some interrupts at 1024Hz. |
| 15:28.43 | asg | on1009: okay, then try linking it |
| 15:28.50 | on1009 | ok |
| 15:29.15 | _ThePiratemaster | i lost my /var/www directory |
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| 15:29.59 | _ThePiratemaster | locate sais it is still in /var/www but when i cd to it it doent work |
| 15:30.04 | _ThePiratemaster | i am root |
| 15:30.07 | _ThePiratemaster | what do i do? |
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| 15:30.18 | wols | thewhite: locate database only updates once per day |
| 15:30.20 | roxy_ | I got svn repository properly done. And ssh works. When I do svn checkout svn+ssh://roxy@me.com/var/svn/mygreatproject it ask for a password 3 times before checking out. What did I did wrong? |
| 15:30.29 | wols | so it's out of date |
| 15:30.42 | asg | roxy_: use pub/priv keys and you'll never be prompted |
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| 15:31.13 | tonix | wols: no, after a power lost.. |
| 15:31.16 | wols | _ThePiratemaster: if ls /var/ doesn't show www directory, it's not there anymore. you deleted it |
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| 15:31.29 | b00 | heya, anyone knows, <net/pfkeyv2.h> file provided (if at all) by which package under linux /debian ? |
| 15:31.32 | _ThePiratemaster | apache still shows the files in it |
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| 15:31.42 | wols | tonix: you can play around with fsck. there's more than one superblock on disk |
| 15:31.42 | b00 | i only found the include under linux include |
| 15:31.46 | _ThePiratemaster | and i already restarted apache |
| 15:31.50 | asg | b00: apt-get install apt-file ; apt-file update ; apt-file search net/pfkey2.h |
| 15:32.15 | Virtual | I got a USB to Bluetooth adaptor, what do i need to install to get it to work, i installed kdebluetooth, bluez-utils and anything from bluez |
| 15:32.17 | b00 | asg, ok, thank you |
| 15:32.18 | pabs3 | b00: or use the search on packages.debian.org |
| 15:32.23 | b00 | mkay |
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| 15:32.35 | tonix | wols: ok, thanks, i will try.. |
| 15:32.54 | wols | tonix: backups are the only real way tho |
| 15:33.05 | roxy_ | asg: as was thinking about setting up a simple anonymous repository. Is ssh the wrong solution? |
| 15:33.19 | wols | tonix: try the "-b" option of fsck.ext3 |
| 15:33.33 | wols | tonix: man fsck.ext3 |
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| 15:34.29 | asg | roxy_: for anonymous access, I'd probably not use ssh |
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| 15:35.28 | asg | roxy_: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/ (should give you lots of ideas regarding access) |
| 15:35.42 | roxy_ | asg: reading it now :-) |
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| 15:36.38 | marlun | I'm at the post-install configuration, how do I set backwards? |
| 15:36.59 | Ronin | set backwards? |
| 15:37.07 | marlun | go |
| 15:37.09 | debian-newbie | hi, can anyone help me on compiling vlc media player? |
| 15:37.16 | wols | set backwards what? your question is fairly backwards |
| 15:37.22 | wols | debian-newbie: any special reason? |
| 15:37.23 | blondie | use the rev command :> |
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| 15:37.24 | marlun | go backwards :P |
| 15:37.37 | blondie | you mean go back |
| 15:37.41 | marlun | yeah |
| 15:37.51 | marlun | i wrote the last thing wrong, I want to change it. |
| 15:37.56 | wols | marlun: which config did you do wrong. maybe we can help you there |
| 15:38.00 | marlun | I wrote username where i was supposed to write fullname. |
| 15:38.22 | wols | don't worry, go through install and edit /etc/passwd later with an editor |
| 15:38.24 | debian-newbie | yes.. I dont know anything about compiling.. when I start the faac-1.24 blabla with ./configure it says "install-sh not found in ../ ../ ...../ altough it is in the faac-1.24 directory |
| 15:38.34 | marlun | wols: ok =) |
| 15:38.43 | Anthro | debian-newbie: The question is why you are compiling it, rather than simply installing a prebuilt binary. |
| 15:38.44 | wols | debian-newbie: again, why do you want to compile vlc yourself? |
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| 15:39.02 | debian-newbie | well there is no prebuit for debian testing sparc ;( |
| 15:39.38 | stew | debian-newbie: i'd recommend rebuilding marillat's packages instead of dealing directly with upstream sources |
| 15:40.32 | Anthro | debian-newbie: what stew said. Building from a package that is known to build on another architecture is your best bet. |
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| 15:41.03 | roxy_ | asg: I can't get my head arount it. Server is S and client is C. To get ssh working without password should I give public of C to S, or public of S to C ? |
| 15:41.10 | debian-newbie | you mean enter debian-marillat in the sources.list? but it wont find a "sparc" folder then when updating the sources.list... |
| 15:41.35 | asg | roxy_: i'd just not use ssh at all since you aren't authenticating users. |
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| 15:44.37 | vinvin | hi |
| 15:45.00 | Anthro | debian-newbie: You want a deb-src line, not a deb line. |
| 15:45.19 | Anthro | debian-newbie: Then you will be able to apt-get source vlc (or whatnot). |
| 15:45.32 | Anthro | debian-newbie: apt-get build-dep as well. |
| 15:45.41 | vinvin | Is there a way to know if packages are scheduled for updates and when ? |
| 15:45.55 | stew | debian-newbie: yes but marillat provides source repositories too. add a deb-src line from marillat then "apt-get build-dep packagename" will fetch build-dependencies from main and "apt-get -b source packagename" will get the source from mariallat and recompile new debian packages for your arch |
| 15:46.04 | vinvin | I'm waiting for fglrx-driver and libogre-1.2 |
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| 15:47.58 | tonix | wols: this is the outpu of fsck.ext -b .... |
| 15:48.00 | tonix | wols: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/cciss/c0d0 |
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| 15:49.17 | debian-newbie | so do I need both commands or does apt-get -b package name do the trick? |
| 15:50.24 | wols | tonix: is this raid or lvm or somesuch? |
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| 15:51.10 | arkm2 | hi debianistas!!! |
| 15:51.11 | tonix | wols: it is a compaq prolian with a raid hardware device... |
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| 15:51.31 | Plasmoduck | how do I unzip .tgz.tar? |
| 15:51.42 | wols | you don't |
| 15:51.48 | phogg | Plasmoduck: use file to find out what it really is |
| 15:51.53 | wols | it's probably normal tar.gz |
| 15:51.55 | tonix | wols: Name Flags Part Type FS Type [Label] Size (MB) |
| 15:51.55 | tonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:51.55 | tonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:51.55 | tonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:51.55 | tonix | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:51.59 | lawnchair | woah |
| 15:52.00 | seto | hi , all I need help to restore my system, I don't understand , I have brocken packet and conflicts .. I am on unstable, please help me to fix |
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| 15:52.24 | wols | seto: apt-get update; apt-get -f install |
| 15:52.26 | seto | I have many problem with x package (x11-common , nvidia-glx , x-window-system-core |
| 15:52.27 | wols | for starters |
| 15:52.30 | seto | ) |
| 15:52.32 | on1009 | asg linking worked |
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| 15:52.40 | Shadowcat | seto: why the hell are you running unstable? |
| 15:52.45 | asg | on1009: cool |
| 15:52.46 | seto | wols yes I do this |
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| 15:53.08 | seto | Shadowcat: because normaly I haven't any problem with unstable, and I love kde3.5 .. |
| 15:53.12 | phogg | seto: if you're running unstable then this is to be expected. Next time stick to testing if you don't want to have these problems. |
| 15:53.14 | vinvin | why is fglrx-driver a broken package ? cant it be rebuilt ? |
| 15:53.16 | Plasmoduck | POSIX tar archive |
| 15:53.22 | seto | but my problem is due to mix experimental and unstable I think |
| 15:53.28 | Shadowcat | seto: if you want to run unstable you shouldn't be asking that question |
| 15:53.31 | wols | vinvin: cause ati sucky donkeyballs |
| 15:53.32 | tyler | any linux apps that can play live streaming tv files like pps, asx, etc? |
| 15:53.44 | phogg | tyler: video? MPlayer. |
| 15:53.47 | Shadowcat | if you're asking that question you shouldn't be running testing/unstable/experimental |
| 15:53.49 | wols | seto: even worse. either you know your way around there or you reinstall. simple as that |
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| 15:53.58 | debian-newbie | vlc? |
| 15:54.05 | tyler | can mplayer stream a pps file? i heard it doesnt? |
| 15:54.10 | tyler | any truth in that? |
| 15:54.17 | wols | debian-newbie: dunno if vlc can stream asx well enough |
| 15:54.26 | debian-newbie | oh, sorry.. |
| 15:54.32 | phogg | tyler: I don't know about that specifically, but in my experience the answer is alwas yes with mplayer. |
| 15:54.42 | vinvin | wols: we just have to wait ?... isn't is possible to downgrade xorg in order to install this package ? |
| 15:54.48 | tyler | really, mplaye rcan stream anything? |
| 15:54.51 | tyler | almost??? |
| 15:55.00 | phogg | tyler: everything I've ever tried |
| 15:55.45 | wols | vinvin: if you know what you're doing you can install fglrx from uptstream. but you better know what you're doing |
| 15:55.59 | vinvin | :/ |
| 15:56.09 | seto | OH !: ok I run unstable (shame on me) .. I don't want to know your opinion about running unstable is bad .. or things like that , I only want that you help me to solve my problem, I need only assistant do understand dpkg (and conflict problems) so I ask .. please don't reply if you don't run unstable you won't get any problems .. the fact is here, I run unstable, and I have a little problem (for the first time this year) |
| 15:56.13 | vinvin | ok |
| 15:56.29 | debian-newbie | so what do I enter for vlc debian marillat on sparc as source? deb-src ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ and then testing or etch? |
| 15:56.33 | wols | seto: we can't. either people know how to run unstable or they shouldn't run it |
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| 15:56.56 | wols | the point of unstable is: people are expected to understand dpkg BEFORE they venture there |
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| 15:57.21 | seto | ok ok wols I will try to solve my problem without your help! |
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| 15:57.49 | phogg | seto: resolving brokenness due to running unstable is non-trivial and not something I do for sport. On my own system it's bad enough, walking you through it is out of the question. |
| 15:58.02 | wols | seto: and to add insult to injury, you haven't really told us about your problem in meaningful way, which tells us you doN#t have any clue at all which means helping you will be very very hard since you are totally clueless. no one wants to help someone like that with a unstable problem |
| 15:58.07 | wols | at leas no one sane |
| 15:58.11 | phogg | Hmph. He left. |
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| 15:58.43 | strider | he must have tried experimental xorg |
| 15:58.51 | wols | yes probably |
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| 15:59.18 | phogg | patience is not just a virtue, sometimes it's a requirement |
| 15:59.18 | wols | sometimes I think there should be something like a light new maintainers test before people get access to unstable and experimental reps |
| 15:59.24 | wols | weeds them out |
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| 16:00.02 | phogg | wols: unstable would get a lot less testing/bug reporting |
| 16:00.16 | Thanatermesis | what is a good LIGHT terminal similar to aterm with support of utf-8 ? |
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| 16:00.41 | wols | we'd get a lot less people like him too :) |
| 16:00.45 | debian-newbie | isn`t debian marillat mplayer and not vlc ? |
| 16:00.54 | nix | to every pro, there's a co |
| 16:00.54 | asg | Thanatermesis: rxvt |
| 16:00.54 | tyler | phogg, can u tell me the exact command line, i seem not able to stream it!! |
| 16:00.55 | nix | n |
| 16:00.59 | strider | urxvt |
| 16:01.00 | phogg | debian-newbie: marillat has a lor of stuff |
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| 16:01.19 | phogg | tyler: I certainly can not. Find an mplayer channel or mailing list. |
| 16:02.10 | Thanatermesis | i have look a bug in rxvt the last time to i have tried it asg... aparently not is very maintained, let me try it again... |
| 16:02.35 | strider | debian-newbie: yes, vlc is in the standard repos |
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| 16:04.35 | marlun | I've reinstalled one of my computers, now when I'm trying to connect to it I'm getting a message that "RSA host key for computername has changed". How do I fix this? |
| 16:04.54 | asg | marlun: remove the old key from ~/.ssh/known_hosts |
| 16:05.15 | marlun | asg: how do I know which one it is? |
| 16:05.25 | debian-newbie | problem here.. when I try to apt-get update it says "usr/lib/apt/methods/frp could not be found".. |
| 16:05.31 | asg | marlun: the RSA host key error message should tell you which line it's on |
| 16:05.33 | marlun | it says: known_hosts:3 <-- does that mean the third from the top. |
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| 16:05.41 | SaneEnglishMonk | marlun: yes |
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| 16:05.42 | phogg | debian-newbie: s/frp/ftp/ in your sources.list |
| 16:05.44 | marlun | ok, thanks |
| 16:05.46 | asg | marlun: 3rd line in the file |
| 16:05.53 | tyler | how do i stream a live streaming tv channel? |
| 16:06.03 | robert666 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:06.08 | debian-newbie | ? s/frp/frp what do you mean? |
| 16:06.24 | phogg | debian-newbie: substitute all occurances of frp with ftp |
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| 16:07.01 | debian-newbie | I am really a newbie.. what do you mean by substitute? |
| 16:07.09 | debian-newbie | which command? or shal I add a line? |
| 16:07.10 | phogg | debian-newbie: you are a newbie to english? |
| 16:07.23 | phogg | debian-newbie: open sources.list in a text editor. Find. Replace. |
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| 16:07.55 | debian-newbie | I have my sources list here ther is no frp/frp entry |
| 16:08.16 | Anthro | debian-newbie: the s/original/new/ notation is from ed/vi/vim. It is a string replacement command. |
| 16:08.23 | phogg | debian-newbie: or: sed -i -e 's/ftp/frp/' /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:08.33 | phogg | debian-newbie: except it's frp/ftp, sorry |
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| 16:09.00 | Anthro | debian-newbie: For some reason you have URLs with an "frp" protocol in them, which doesn't exist. It's a typo. Fix it. |
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| 16:09.28 | debian-newbie | okai now I nderstand |
| 16:09.52 | Anthro | !clue debian-newbie |
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| 16:13.03 | debian-newbie | now it says for ftp.nerim "public key is not available" |
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| 16:13.33 | tyler | how do u stream something with mplayer, whats the cli? |
| 16:13.35 | aronofsky | hi |
| 16:13.36 | Anthro | debian-newbie: Yes, you don't seem to have marillat's public key. |
| 16:13.36 | Ron- | hi, i want to upgrade from sarge to etch. would changing stable to testing in sources.list and aptitude dist-upgrade be the right way to do it? |
| 16:13.48 | debian-newbie | whats the meaning of public key? |
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| 16:14.09 | Anthro | !tell debian-newbie about marillat key |
| 16:14.54 | jatos | hi |
| 16:15.03 | aronofsky | i got a little problem , i just reinstall debian+kde and i got keyboard problem , actually my shift key doesnt work , whereas i check my xorg.conf and it seems to be the same config as my last one where everythnig was ok , any idea |
| 16:15.08 | thingfish | Ron-: yes, except of course you'd have to do an apt-get update before the dist-upgrade. |
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| 16:15.57 | jatos | how would I fix an package that is refusing to uninistall? |
| 16:15.59 | Ron- | ok thanks |
| 16:16.26 | debian-newbie | anything I can do for the public key? |
| 16:16.33 | wols | jatos: dpkg --force-help |
| 16:16.37 | Anthro | debian-newbie: As of fairly recently, apt deals with key signatures on repositories (and packages thereof). This is a good thing. It is done with PGP. Packages are signed by maintainers, whose keys have been signed by the Debian master key. Likewise, repository package lists are signed by the Debian key. All the signatures are done with private keys. They are verified by the corresponding public keys. |
| 16:16.39 | Plasmoduck | how do I unzip tar.bz2 |
| 16:16.47 | jatos | that didn't help much |
| 16:16.54 | jatos | I tryed it earlier |
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| 16:17.02 | Anthro | debian-newbie: Did you not read what dpkg sent you? Those were instructions on how to get Marillat's public key. |
| 16:17.02 | wols | Plasmoduck: tar -jxvf |
| 16:17.03 | aronofsky | Plasmoduck, tar -jxvf file_name |
| 16:17.10 | kookaburra | so secure-apt is standard practice now? |
| 16:17.15 | Anthro | kookaburra: Yes. |
| 16:17.35 | Anthro | kookaburra: As of sarge, or maybe slightly after. |
| 16:17.37 | aronofsky | anyone about my keyboard problem , it seems silly but im kinda stuck |
| 16:17.45 | wols | jatos: it will. but only if you know how to fix the problem in the first place |
| 16:17.50 | kookaburra | cool |
| 16:17.54 | Anthro | aronofsky: What keyboard rule do you have in your xorg.conf? |
| 16:18.00 | phogg | Plasmoduck: bunzip2 filename ; tar xf filename. Or: tar xjf filename # j tells tar to bunzip2 before it untars |
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| 16:18.03 | debian-newbie | I only read about adding marillat to the sources.list |
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| 16:18.38 | aronofsky | Anthro, "XkbRules" "xorg" |
| 16:18.47 | debian-newbie | did I miss a message?? |
| 16:19.03 | Anthro | debian-newbie: I'm going to say this once. If you do not pay attention I will write you off as unable to follow directions and read help. You need to send a private message to dpkg. That message should be "marillat key" (without the quotes). Then dpkg will respond with instructions. |
| 16:19.33 | Anthro | debian-newbie: I don't mean the program named dpkg, I mean the bot on IRC. |
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| 16:20.35 | jatos | the best [art of the --force-help is cut of by my screen |
| 16:20.48 | Anthro | aronofsky: Hrm. You might run xmodmap -pke > /tmp/keylist, then play around with xev to figure out what keycode is connected to what key, and what keysym X thinks it is. |
| 16:20.53 | phogg | jatos: | $PAGER |
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| 16:20.57 | debian-newbie | patience... |
| 16:21.04 | jatos | $pager? |
| 16:21.06 | phogg | jatos: dpkg --foce-help | less # for example |
| 16:21.43 | phogg | jatos: $PAGER. Case sensetive. A screen pager, for displaying text one page at a time. more(1) is the old standby, but less is better. |
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| 16:22.24 | kookaburra | the thing about secure-apt... this just pushes things up a level, now instead of having to worry if a package, or a Release file is valid, you have to worry about whether you've actually gotten the right key. |
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| 16:22.48 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 16:22.48 | dpkg | [popcon] the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 16:23.18 | Anthro | kookaburra: Or you can just not worry, and assume that things will continue to be just fine as they have been for the last decade or so of Debian's (and apt's) existence. |
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| 16:25.01 | jatos | right --force-help, still not a lotta help, would be easiest just to be given the option |
| 16:25.11 | boldstrike | quick question.... how 'safe' are the unstable packages to use? |
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| 16:25.25 | wols | not safe. only if you know what you're doing |
| 16:25.38 | boldstrike | wols: so stick to stable then? |
| 16:25.44 | wols | it can work for years, and then BAMM, a new perl version and nothing will work and it ruins your install |
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| 16:26.08 | wols | you can do either testing, or you learn what you're doing and use unstable |
| 16:26.13 | boldstrike | wols: i wanted to install a newer kernel that's only in the unstable dir |
| 16:26.15 | debian-newbie | okai got it thanks a lot, and please be more patient.. it seems every one who sould use debian has to know a lot from the beginnning.. and not everyone knows the syntax of linux .. you know I even use mc for editing files.. not vim because it more comfortable... but thanks a lot for your help with marillat!!!!! |
| 16:26.30 | wols | boldstrike: that's usually ok. or at least in this case |
| 16:26.42 | wols | currently it might even be needed depending on your hardware |
| 16:26.50 | boldstrike | exactly |
| 16:26.56 | wols | dpkg: sarge 2.6.15 |
| 16:26.56 | dpkg | sarge 2.6.15 is probably http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm or for amd64/em64t http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615-amd64.htm |
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| 16:27.11 | wols | do you need a newer kernel than that? |
| 16:27.19 | wols | if so: compile your own :) |
| 16:27.29 | thingfish | debian-newbie: there's maybe more of a learning curve to Debian, but stick with it - it's worth it! |
| 16:27.33 | boldstrike | no, that one is fine |
| 16:27.42 | phogg | boldstrike: you can get the vanilla source and use make-kpkg. That is marginally better, IMO, than using unstable. |
| 16:27.47 | callan_ | I just upgraded to testing, and I keep getting 2 warnings I want to fix. 1 is warnings constantly from perl about locales and the other is that apt-get isn't verifying and packages, anyone got any ideas? |
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| 16:28.07 | wols | phogg: more than just marginally better. downside is he needs to know how to conifg a kernel |
| 16:28.28 | cahoot | callan_: check /topic for #2 |
| 16:28.28 | boldstrike | wols: not familiar with that just yet |
| 16:28.29 | phogg | wols: everybody's got to learn sometime |
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| 16:29.01 | Anthro | debian-newbie: I'm actually more patient than most, but I don't like repeating myself (at least not more than once). You got it on the second repetition. You're fine. |
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| 16:29.05 | boldstrike | phogg: hopefully when they've got time to spend on it though |
| 16:29.30 | callan_ | cahoot: Ah, thanks but any idea on the locales warnings with perl? |
| 16:29.34 | debian-newbie | you know I love debian.. but it`s still hard --option here -- whatever there balbla- s-s -dnncj -/blabl all the time *g* |
| 16:29.47 | wols | phogg: yes. I currently walk someone through his first kernel compile in another window :) |
| 16:29.47 | callan_ | I wanted to clear that up moreso. |
| 16:29.52 | wols | boldstrike: you're not a real linux user unless you compile your own kernel, or at least know how to do it :) |
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| 16:30.19 | boldstrike | wols: ah ha. throwing down the gauntlet are we? |
| 16:30.19 | wols | boldstrike: really, it's not that hard and is fun. but you need a few hours time to learn it when doing it the first time |
| 16:30.20 | phaedral_ | wols: harsh |
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| 16:30.31 | phaedral_ | but i did finally mangage it once in 03 |
| 16:30.31 | kubisztan | hi |
| 16:30.45 | phogg | compiling a kernel is so trivial these days. As long as you don't accidentally remove support for something you need wheile configuring. |
| 16:30.49 | cahoot | callan_: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 16:30.54 | wols | phaedral_: nah. just wanting to imporve the average linux user's familiarity with the oS :) |
| 16:31.07 | Noboru | bye,guys, have a good day |
| 16:31.36 | callan_ | cahoot: locales is broken or not fully installed, do I install it again or something? |
| 16:31.45 | kookaburra | compiling a kernel the debian way is not that hard. it's just more a matter of knowing your hardware so that you can compile in the right options and leave out the fluff. |
| 16:31.47 | debian-newbie | what you say in repeating: I didn`t get a popup in my irc of a private message, and didn`t know where to receive it.. so you tell me I have read it.. and I didnt... |
| 16:31.51 | boldstrike | is there really an advantage to compiling a kernel? |
| 16:32.16 | thingfish | boldstrike: for some yes; for others, no. |
| 16:32.19 | phaedral_ | boldstrike: competence is its own reward |
| 16:32.20 | wols | boldstrike: less bloat |
| 16:32.25 | cahoot | callan_: sorry out of my league |
| 16:32.31 | phaedral_ | seriously, knowing what the heck is going on is a big help |
| 16:32.32 | callan_ | cahoot: It says if I install locales it'll remove base-config, is that ok? |
| 16:32.41 | boldstrike | ok. so how do i do it? |
| 16:32.43 | callan_ | cahoot: Ok thanks for the help. |
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| 16:32.56 | boldstrike | ME accepting the challenge |
| 16:33.15 | kookaburra | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:33.21 | boldstrike | lol. right. |
| 16:33.26 | kookaburra | :P |
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| 16:33.31 | wols | boldstrike: http://www.projektfarm.com/en/support/howto/debian_kernel_compile.html |
| 16:34.26 | phaedral_ | boldstrike: i'm no guru; for total mastery, I"d start with "linux from scratch"; but it ain't debian so it might be OT |
| 16:34.26 | Acid`X | !tell janez -about install java |
| 16:34.53 | Plasmoduck | how to unzip .tgz |
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| 16:35.09 | wols | Plasmoduck: tar -zxvf <tgz file> |
| 16:35.16 | boldstrike | phaedral_: i actually did start a LFS system, but the process of unpacking and compiling all the packages started getting to me |
| 16:35.28 | kookaburra | boldstrike, also check out: http://debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s05.html.en |
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| 16:35.49 | bla | hi i am pretty newb for debian and i have some problems about graphic card install, anyone up to help me ?:) |
| 16:35.52 | phaedral_ | boldstrike: it's a project I just haven't given myself time for yet |
| 16:35.56 | wols | boldstrike: a vrey good source is http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/wiki/Main_Page |
| 16:36.11 | wols | bla: you need to be more specific if you want help |
| 16:36.17 | phaedral_ | after looking at lfs apt-get looks pretty sexy |
| 16:36.22 | Acid`X | !tell bla -about set up x |
| 16:36.27 | boldstrike | phaedral_: don't get me wrong, it was fun, but very time consuming |
| 16:36.35 | phaedral_ | yup |
| 16:36.39 | kookaburra | phaedral_, uh, yeah. I'm sure it does :) |
| 16:36.54 | b00 | hey, my apt-file update does nothing, just blocks |
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| 16:37.06 | wols | b00: apt-get update. GET! |
| 16:37.17 | phaedral_ | boldstrike: if you've dipped into lfs, I'd say just get a kernel howto from ldp, read through a couple of times, then go for it |
| 16:37.21 | phaedral_ | still time consuming |
| 16:37.28 | boldstrike | besides, i like debian and want to get involved more in the project |
| 16:37.45 | wols | yes it can take an hour or two to configure the kernel for the first time. gets easier over time tho |
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| 16:38.27 | boldstrike | i will compile a kernel, just not sure if it will be today |
| 16:38.35 | phaedral_ | only beef I have with debian is the naming procedure; debian testing is rock-solid compared to most distros |
| 16:38.38 | wols | no time like today :) |
| 16:38.41 | strider | !kp mantra |
| 16:38.41 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
| 16:39.14 | wols | phaedral_: I rather let them err on the side of caution. there's a downside with outdated stable, but oh well |
| 16:39.24 | boldstrike | wols: i'd rather get a mailserver running |
| 16:39.36 | phaedral_ | wols: true |
| 16:39.52 | boldstrike | what's the downside? |
| 16:39.55 | wols | boldstrike: BIG install or small personal one? |
| 16:40.05 | wols | boldstrike: stable being outdated |
| 16:40.05 | boldstrike | small |
| 16:40.18 | boldstrike | wols: that's why i wanted to try using unstable |
| 16:40.19 | wols | apt-get install postfix courier-imap |
| 16:40.24 | phaedral_ | meanwhile i'm trying to get wifi again today, after realizing i was failing to modpropbe -r in between iterations of drivers in ndiswrapper |
| 16:40.45 | wols | boldstrike: if you use a server,stable is fine. if you want a desktop, then unstable has its merits but usually testing is fine |
| 16:41.04 | phaedral_ | starting fresh today, the driver from the XP partition, which works in XP, is deemed "invalid driver" by ndiswrapper -l |
| 16:41.04 | wols | boldstrike: http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ is a great tutorial but a bit big |
| 16:41.08 | boldstrike | wols: that's what i'm going to use for the server, but i want to read over the courier docs and compiling a kernel hadn't entered my thinking |
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| 16:41.27 | wols | boldstrike: ask in #postfix if apt-get postfix courier-imap gives you problems |
| 16:41.30 | phaedral_ | next, will try the 30676 maher pointed me to yesterday |
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| 16:41.57 | wols | boldstrike: they're friendly and know more about mail than #debian |
| 16:42.19 | priscila | how can i use another locale (i dont wanna change global locale) in a program? i just need use another locale in one program ... |
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| 16:42.22 | wols | but mail is very complicated. moreso than kernel compiles, much more |
| 16:42.24 | boldstrike | wols: i've been there, they know their stuff |
| 16:42.35 | boldstrike | wols: postfix and courier work |
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| 16:42.48 | aronofsky | Anthro, sorry i was on the phone , i did the xmodmap -pke > /tmp/keylist , but i dont really what to look for in it |
| 16:43.03 | boldstrike | wols: tell me about it. so much to be aware of |
| 16:43.11 | wols | priscila: by setting env variable before running that program probably |
| 16:43.13 | Anthro | aronofsky: Do you understand the basics of X11 keycodes and keysyms? |
| 16:43.25 | phaedral_ | boldstrike: i went with the worlds simplest mail solution; ssmtp and mutt; just hands off to my smtp at my domain host |
| 16:43.29 | phaedral_ | fwiw |
| 16:43.40 | wols | imap is more fun |
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| 16:44.34 | aronofsky | Anthro, not really , but actually i never had to go in it before , that's a standard keyboard , it has always worked well , that's why i dont understand what happened here ... |
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| 16:44.47 | boldstrike | phaedral_: interesting. when i was using fedora, i set up postfix to work directly with Maildir, so no server was necessary |
| 16:45.26 | phaedral_ | i'm simplifying, less and less time for tweaking and diddling |
| 16:45.28 | wols | boldstrike: same here |
| 16:45.47 | boldstrike | wols: might do that again actually |
| 16:45.52 | wols | all you need is "/" at the end of the mailtransport_agent or whatever the main.cf setting |
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| 16:46.02 | boldstrike | phaedral_: less time = good thing |
| 16:46.04 | bla | guys i need some help about installing some drivers, who i can talk to? |
| 16:46.06 | wols | nah, even while maildir sucks, courier is a nice imap client |
| 16:46.26 | Anthro | aronofsky: Well, xev pops up a window and tells you about every event occurring in that window. That's probably the right place to start. Run xev and see what X *thinks* your shift key is. |
| 16:46.26 | WireDDD | bla just ask the channel |
| 16:46.29 | wols | bla: you still haven't stated your problem |
| 16:46.33 | Anthro | wols: s/client/server/ |
| 16:46.38 | wols | Anthro: doh! |
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| 16:46.41 | boldstrike | wols: so why aren't you using it? |
| 16:46.49 | wols | boldstrike: using what? |
| 16:46.56 | boldstrike | wols: courier |
| 16:47.16 | BillGates | is there some way to move all the .files from home dir to some other dir in home directory? |
| 16:47.16 | wols | cause it takes ages to open a folder with 10k+ messages. I hate that |
| 16:47.20 | WireDDD | bla, whats wrong with you graphics card? |
| 16:47.21 | boldstrike | wols: oh, i thought you were just using postfix directly with you client |
| 16:47.31 | bla | i installed driver for my ati radeon 9600xt, i am using 1280*1024 and in control panel it says its 86hz, but on my monitor panel i can see its only 60hz. I am not sure where is the problem, but i noticed that only 1280*1024 works, all other resolution will result with bad picture, that actully i cant see anything on it |
| 16:47.44 | wols | BillGates: "mv .* <destination" |
| 16:47.55 | phaedral_ | boldstrike: yeah, less time = good thing; school, future, all good |
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| 16:47.56 | phaedral_ | ;) |
| 16:48.01 | Defty | bla: what 'control panel'.. don't use the control panel if it suckss |
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| 16:48.06 | BillGates | wols> how would all the programs know the moved configs? |
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| 16:48.10 | boldstrike | wols: how difficult is cyrus to setup compare to courier or dovecot? |
| 16:48.16 | wols | procmail is redundant. fetchmail (thank $deity!) too |
| 16:48.25 | aronofsky | Anthro, it tells me keycode:50 |
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| 16:48.31 | Defty | bla: just specify the suitable ranges for your monitor in the config file of X and it'll give you good refresh rate |
| 16:48.38 | wols | boldstrike: not too much. sasl can be a hassle sometimes, but not too often |
| 16:48.39 | ack_syn | hey, i use slackware, but no I wanna use Debian...how version of it, should I use? |
| 16:48.48 | bla | defty, how to do that?: ( |
| 16:48.50 | wols | the .debs take most all the hassle out of it |
| 16:48.56 | ack_syn | hey, i use slackware, but noW* I wanna use Debian...how version of it, should I use? |
| 16:49.02 | aronofsky | Anthro, ok and there is nothing associate with keycode 50 in the file |
| 16:49.03 | Anthro | aronofsky: But what keysym does it think it is? You can find that out either from the event output or from the xmodmap -pke output. |
| 16:49.11 | wols | and it gives you beautiful sieve :) |
| 16:49.14 | thingfish | !d-i ack_syn |
| 16:49.15 | dpkg | ack_syn, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 16:49.21 | abrotman | bla: are you using the ati binary driver? |
| 16:49.24 | aronofsky | Anthro, and where can i change that |
| 16:49.30 | unstable | BillGates: mkdir /tmp/user.preferences; cp -r ~/.??* /tmp/user/perferences; |
| 16:49.32 | boldstrike | wols: haven't used cyrus yet |
| 16:49.33 | bla | its run file |
| 16:49.34 | Defty | bla: go root, edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf (presumably), find a section about your monitor device and type in there the ranges. you get the horizontal/vertical refresh rate ranges from the specs of your monitor |
| 16:49.34 | thingfish | ack_syn: start with sarge. |
| 16:49.36 | wols | !tell bla about drxx |
| 16:49.47 | ack_syn | ok dpkg |
| 16:49.52 | ack_syn | ok thingfish |
| 16:49.52 | abrotman | bla: but you got your driver from ati.com ? |
| 16:49.54 | ack_syn | thx guys |
| 16:50.02 | Anthro | aronofsky: Is anything set to Shift_L or Shift_R in the xmodmap output? |
| 16:50.04 | wols | abrotman: good luck |
| 16:50.16 | BillGates | unstable> what should I read to understand that? |
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| 16:50.28 | bla | yews |
| 16:50.34 | WireDDD | bla, if that doesn't work then add this line into xorg.conf in the device section... Option "IgnoreEDID" "on" |
| 16:50.34 | bla | abrotman, yes |
| 16:50.39 | thingfish | ack_syn: dpkg is a bot; you can /msg dpkg foo and get information. |
| 16:50.44 | abrotman | bla: perhaps ask #ati .. they may know more about the binary driver that ati.com provides |
| 16:50.46 | aronofsky | Anthro, no |
| 16:50.47 | ack_syn | ahhhh |
| 16:50.48 | ack_syn | hehehe |
| 16:50.51 | priscila | ack_syn: i suggest you to try sarge, etch and sid.. :P |
| 16:51.06 | Anthro | aronofsky: Well, somehow your keymap got well and truly fucked up. |
| 16:51.18 | blondie | is it spam time yet? |
| 16:51.22 | ack_syn | thingfish ok..thx...but...how many cds are the 'sarge'? |
| 16:51.25 | aronofsky | Anthro, how's taht possible |
| 16:51.27 | blondie | Sunday Spam Time that is |
| 16:51.38 | boldstrike | wols: how have you setup your network? |
| 16:51.48 | abrotman | blondie: naked horses at http://google.com/!!! |
| 16:51.54 | blondie | :o |
| 16:52.00 | blondie | hey wait |
| 16:52.02 | wols | debian does all routing and all serving |
| 16:52.04 | thingfish | ack_syn: 14 in all, but if you have a nice internet connection you can do the netinstall. |
| 16:52.05 | blondie | horses are usually naked |
| 16:52.13 | blondie | ;( |
| 16:52.15 | _ThePiratemaster | oes apache2 fail directorie indexing if my homedirectories are as following: "/home/<groupname>/<username>" |
| 16:52.26 | BillGates | unstable> where did you get the info about user.preferences in tmp? |
| 16:52.26 | itrebal | has anyone had issues getting gtkspell working? i've tried a number of apps, and installed everything i saw about gtkspell, Gaim when compiling says it found the libraries, but wont use them... abiword doesnt like it either |
| 16:52.32 | Anthro | aronofsky: What you can do is to get the keycodes of keys that aren't working using xev, then set the keysym appropriately in the xmodmap output. Once it's right, save that file to ~/.xmodmaprc then run xmodmap .xmodmaprc |
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| 16:52.37 | ack_syn | i cant, cause my modem is USB, so i need compile the driver using the gcc :| thingfish |
| 16:52.45 | blondie | _ThePiratemaster: it shouldn't care |
| 16:52.52 | Anthro | aronofsky: I forget where you can get a list of the keysyms. Somewhere in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11, I think. |
| 16:52.56 | wols | ack_syn: then get the first debian CD |
| 16:53.02 | WireDDD | ack_syn, you can't connect it via ethernet at all? |
| 16:53.11 | _ThePiratemaster | can i paste 4 rules? |
| 16:53.16 | ack_syn | nopz, i cant Wille88 |
| 16:53.23 | ack_syn | ok wols i'll try |
| 16:53.28 | ack_syn | thank you all |
| 16:54.03 | aronofsky | Anthro, but where si that come from , i just installed from testing ! |
| 16:54.04 | thingfish | ack_syn: if you'd rather, you can also get a fully functional desktop (gnome + kde) using the first two cds only. |
| 16:54.23 | _ThePiratemaster | <Directory /home/*/*/public_html> |
| 16:54.24 | _ThePiratemaster | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:54.24 | _ThePiratemaster | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:54.24 | _ThePiratemaster | </Directory> |
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| 16:54.26 | Anthro | aronofsky: That I don't know. Did you choose the wrong language or something? |
| 16:54.31 | unstable | BillGates: I made it up |
| 16:54.32 | priscila | wols: all distros does it.. i think the distros do all do anything.. it's a person who does it works |
| 16:54.38 | ack_syn | thingfish humm...good 2 know it...thank you again |
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| 16:54.46 | thingfish | sure thing |
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| 16:54.59 | __Thepiratemaste | so whats up with that? |
| 16:55.00 | thingfish | ack_syn: good luck and have fun! |
| 16:55.02 | aronofsky | Anthro, no , but i can do a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg , no , |
| 16:55.10 | ack_syn | :))) |
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| 16:55.57 | Anthro | aronofsky: It's worth a try. Anyhow, it looks like it's a keymap problem. I don't know how it happened, but I've given you a working, if tedious, way to fix it. dpkg-reconfigure might be faster and better, though. |
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| 16:56.48 | abrotman | __Thepiratemaste: it's called flooding |
| 16:56.58 | ack_syn | hey thingfish, the last doubt .... look...should i download here? -> http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/weekly/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 16:57.02 | ack_syn | hey thingfish, the last doubt .... look...should i download here? -> http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/weekly/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 16:57.19 | bayer | how can i find out when i last upgradet a certain package? |
| 16:57.21 | __Thepiratemaste | i kow |
| 16:57.28 | __Thepiratemaste | i was refing to the rules that i pasted |
| 16:57.33 | thingfish | ack_syn: that's going to get you testing. I'm not sure you should go that route. |
| 16:57.35 | __Thepiratemaste | *refering |
| 16:57.38 | Anthro | __Thepiratemaste: Try #apache |
| 16:58.01 | ack_syn | hum ok...can u give me one? thingfish |
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| 16:58.15 | aronofsky | Anthro, i did it , and it asks me now for keyboard layout , does it have something to do with my problem, because the default choice is fr-latin9, maybe should i change |
| 16:58.17 | boldstrike | wols, thanks for the help. i'll let you know how the kernel turns out |
| 16:58.31 | wols | good luck |
| 16:58.32 | thingfish | ack_syn: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r1/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 16:58.38 | boldstrike | wols: thnx |
| 16:58.50 | __Thepiratemaste | i already been in apache |
| 16:58.55 | __Thepiratemaste | no awnser |
| 16:58.59 | __Thepiratemaste | now words at all actually |
| 16:59.12 | ack_syn | nice thingfish :))) i'll download it ..thx you so much (hehe) |
| 16:59.20 | bayer | anyone? |
| 16:59.20 | Nosf3ratu | bueller? |
| 16:59.21 | itrebal | has anyone had issues getting gtkspell working? i've tried a number of apps, and installed everything i saw about gtkspell, Gaim when compiling says it found the libraries, but wont use them... abiword doesnt like it either |
| 16:59.24 | Supaplex | !nickometer __Thepiratemaste |
| 16:59.25 | dpkg | '__Thepiratemaste' is 38.000% lame, supaplex |
| 16:59.29 | Anthro | aronofsky: I dunno. You are French, right? You may want a French keyboard layout. I don't know anything about non-English layouts, I'm afraid. |
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| 16:59.43 | Thanatermesis | urxvt-ml: unable to load base fontset, please specify a valid one using -fn, aborting. |
| 16:59.53 | Thanatermesis | launching rxvt-unicode on ETCH, any idea ? |
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| 17:00.27 | itrebal | has anyone had issues getting gtkspell working? i've tried a number of apps, and installed everything i saw about gtkspell, Gaim when compiling says it found the libraries, but wont use them... abiword doesnt like it either |
| 17:00.34 | Supaplex | LoadModule __Thepiratemaste /usr/lib/apache/1.3/__Thepiratemaste # he said he was in apache, this must be what he means. ;) |
| 17:00.34 | itrebal | woops, sorry about that |
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| 17:01.03 | Anthro | __Thepiratemaste: Even if they don't answer for a while, #apache is a better place to ask the question. |
| 17:01.12 | thingfish | ack_syn: fyi, if you need/want the 2.6 kernel install, at the first prompt type "linux26". |
| 17:01.18 | mr_claus | do i need xprint installed to print with mozilla-firefox? |
| 17:02.02 | ack_syn | thingfish, nopz i'll install the 2.4 kernel, and so i'll download/compile the 2.6,like i've did at my slacky thingfish |
| 17:02.21 | aronofsky | Anthro, but doin dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg could change the output of xmodmap -pke output right? |
| 17:02.23 | thingfish | ack_syn: no need to compile kernels in Debian. You apt-get them. |
| 17:02.37 | thingfish | they snap right in :) |
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| 17:02.52 | Anthro | aronofsky: Once you've restarted X and rerun xmodmap -pke, yes. |
| 17:03.01 | spiritz | does anyone know how to start this program under gnome ? : http://static.flickr.com/21/97621299_cc88112bfb.jpg |
| 17:03.14 | kingsley | mr_claus: I print from version 1.0.7-1 of mozilla-firefox without xprint, but it's buggy. |
| 17:03.15 | ack_syn | hum...but anyways i'll recompile it, cuz i'm trainning to make the LPI test thingfish |
| 17:03.32 | thingfish | ack_syn: oh, I see. excellent; well good luck on that. |
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| 17:03.41 | thingfish | I mean the test. |
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| 17:03.58 | Anthro | spiritz: Looks like a standalone pager. Why would you want it? The panel has a pager. |
| 17:04.02 | kingsley | mr_claus: However, I suspect the bugs are unrelated to xprint. |
| 17:04.13 | ack_syn | thingfish oh, thank you guy thingfish :) |
| 17:04.28 | thingfish | no problem |
| 17:04.30 | spiritz | Anthro: I'd like something that does no require the panel to be running |
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| 17:04.38 | aronofsky | Anthro, but actually i dont know what to change , XkbRules , XkbMode, XkbLayout ? |
| 17:04.40 | joe__ | hello |
| 17:04.59 | lyy | how to resize linux parition? |
| 17:05.11 | spiritz | lyy : qtparted/gtkparted |
| 17:05.17 | mr_claus | kingsley: at the moment the browser stops working if i want to print |
| 17:05.23 | joe__ | i have added a third party repository and t duplicates the packages from the mainstream debian repository, i want to tag *only* those packages from the third party repository. How do I do that? |
| 17:05.23 | Thanatermesis | any person has "rxvt-unicode" (7.5-0) working on ETCH ? |
| 17:05.25 | st0ner | !nickometer st0ner |
| 17:05.26 | dpkg | 'st0ner' is 22.000% lame, st0ner |
| 17:05.27 | lyy | spiritz: thanks |
| 17:05.27 | Anthro | aronofsky: My guess is XkbLayout. |
| 17:05.27 | mr_claus | kingsley: that does not depend on xprint or not |
| 17:05.32 | kingsley | lyy: A tool named "parted" can. |
| 17:05.40 | Anthro | spiritz: apt-cache search gnome page |
| 17:05.42 | Anthro | spiritz: apt-cache search gnome pager |
| 17:05.48 | mr_claus | kingsley: i use etch with 1.04, should i use xprint or not? |
| 17:05.54 | spiritz | Anthro: Ok I'll try |
| 17:05.56 | st0ner | !nickometer dpkg |
| 17:05.57 | dpkg | 'dpkg' is 0.000% lame, st0ner |
| 17:06.24 | nicolas_1 | !nickometer nicolas_1 |
| 17:06.25 | dpkg | 'nicolas_1' is 28.000% lame, nicolas_1 |
| 17:06.30 | nicolas_1 | hrm |
| 17:06.42 | nicolas_1 | this result is based on what? |
| 17:06.47 | Anthro | !pal nicolas_1 |
| 17:06.51 | abrotman | your stupid number and _ |
| 17:06.59 | Anthro | !nickometer abrotman |
| 17:07.00 | st0ner | what a crap |
| 17:07.01 | dpkg | 'abrotman' is 0.000% lame, anthro |
| 17:07.03 | spiritz | Anthro: does this return an interesting package on your computer? I don't have such |
| 17:07.18 | nicolas_1 | im lame because of automatically made _1 |
| 17:07.25 | kingsley | mr_claus: If I were you, I'd try to isolate the bug that's hanging firefox when trying to print. strace or googling for firefox print hang |
| 17:07.37 | weasel00 | !nickometer weasel00 |
| 17:07.38 | dpkg | 'weasel00' is 37.000% lame, weasel00 |
| 17:07.44 | weasel00 | lmao |
| 17:07.52 | joe__ | i have added a third party repository and t duplicates the packages from the mainstream debian repository, i want to tag *only* those packages from the third party repository. How do I do that? |
| 17:08.00 | aronofsky | Anthro, another question about something else but when i used aptitude to install my system it tells me "WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed!" , why's taht , does it have to do with key signature or something |
| 17:08.04 | nicolas_1 | to be totally not-lame you need to have only plain letters in lower-case |
| 17:08.06 | Anthro | spiritz: It isn't so much that it returns an interesting package as it is that it is the best way to find such a package, if one exists. |
| 17:08.19 | Anthro | aronofsky: Yes. Take a look at the /topic |
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| 17:08.39 | aronofsky | Anthro, ok |
| 17:08.43 | aronofsky | Anthro, thx |
| 17:09.04 | Anthro | nicolas_1: Don't worry, you're only 28% lame. |
| 17:09.20 | Anthro | !nickometer Anthro |
| 17:09.21 | dpkg | 'Anthro' is 0.000% lame, anthro |
| 17:09.29 | Anthro | nicolas_1: Nah, uppercase is fine. |
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| 17:09.48 | Anthro | !nickometer CaMeLcAsE |
| 17:09.50 | dpkg | 'CaMeLcAsE' is 27.000% lame, anthro |
| 17:10.01 | strider | nicolas_1: how's mariele? ;p |
| 17:10.03 | alarmyst | !nickometer alarmyst |
| 17:10.05 | dpkg | 'alarmyst' is 0.000% lame, alarmyst |
| 17:10.11 | alarmyst | strider: tooo hot |
| 17:10.31 | zinx | nickometer should be banned.. every time it's used eleventy billion other people have to use it too.. |
| 17:10.35 | abrotman | lay off the stupid bot |
| 17:10.38 | alarmyst | zinx: hehe |
| 17:10.38 | Supaplex | enough bot abuse |
| 17:10.43 | alarmyst | sorry |
| 17:10.48 | abrotman | Supaplex: you started it :) |
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| 17:10.52 | strider | one more |
| 17:10.57 | alarmyst | just wanted to be not-lame |
| 17:10.58 | strider | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:10.58 | dpkg | '++mYl33tp4sSw0rd++' is 99.850% lame, strider |
| 17:10.59 | abrotman | how bout .. no |
| 17:11.29 | Supaplex | if you want to argue what bot abuse is, take it up with dpkg's daddy |
| 17:11.37 | strider | !abuse |
| 17:11.37 | dpkg | RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again! |
| 17:11.39 | b00 | wols, wols> b00: apt-get update. GET! |
| 17:11.45 | b00 | wols, sorry what did you mean again ? |
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| 17:13.28 | Acid`X | !ping |
| 17:13.28 | dpkg | pong |
| 17:13.46 | phaedral_ | looks like dpkg is earning its keep today |
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| 17:14.36 | phaedral_ | what man/faq will bring me up to speed on "wireless_mode managed" in the sample /etc/network/interfaces I'm looking at? |
| 17:14.40 | wols | b00: that you use the wrong command. not apt-file |
| 17:15.00 | hanasaki | when i put a cd in the drive it seems to automount but as "root" how can i get it to automount as the user that first accesses it? |
| 17:15.17 | b00 | wols, err, i want to search something with apt-file, so i want to update its ... cache ? |
| 17:15.22 | b00 | wols, i dont want apt-get |
| 17:15.31 | wols | ok then |
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| 17:16.53 | strider | b00: apt-file update then |
| 17:17.13 | joefso3 | i have added a third party repository and t duplicates the packages from the mainstream debian repository, i want to tag packages from the third party repository. How do I do that? |
| 17:17.20 | b00 | strider, aint working, just sleeps |
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| 17:17.34 | strider | b00: give it some time. |
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| 17:19.04 | b00 | strider, S+ 19:18 0:00 /usr/bin/perl -w /usr/bin/apt-file update -v |
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| 17:19.11 | b00 | ok, well |
| 17:19.14 | b00 | i can try wait |
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| 17:19.27 | MauL^ | does anyone know why open office's Writer creates a so big file after converting to pdf? |
| 17:19.59 | unstable | MauL^: /join #openoffice.org,#debian-oo |
| 17:20.05 | alarmyst | MauL^: its normal to be bigger than plain text |
| 17:20.54 | b00 | strider, can you join #flood ? I think its stuck on error, |
| 17:21.04 | b00 | strider, i want to paste a message there |
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| 17:22.08 | MauL^ | alarmyst: 2 pages only results with 480kb. |
| 17:22.52 | pc_tony | guys, i am looking for a recommendation for backing up a remote server, which technically should only ever have config files etc.... it will basically be an smtp relay/dns server |
| 17:23.50 | Anthro | pc_tony: Depends on the load you'll need to support. |
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| 17:24.17 | pc_tony | too be honest, no more than 5000 zones, and 1 x exim.conf |
| 17:25.44 | alarmyst | MauL^: almost normal to me |
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| 17:26.11 | Anthro | pc_tony: You could probably get away with a VIA mini-ITX board. I put together a tolerable mini-ITX box for $300. I'd expect it to be able to handle the load. |
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| 17:26.48 | pc_tony | no, sorry i meant backing up the content of the box.. Already hacve it in a cluster |
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| 17:27.14 | bla | how can i set up resfresh rate? |
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| 17:27.54 | strider | b00: well, so it dosen't return anything? |
| 17:28.02 | pc_tony | i could just script it, and use cron.. just wondering if there is a more elegant solution |
| 17:28.53 | b00 | strider, nope, jack |
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| 17:29.24 | bla | i have problems with graphic card and refresh rate, actully i installed drivers and in control panel i see its 86hz, but on monitor panel it says its 60hz, how to set it up to 86 ? |
| 17:29.27 | strider | b00: etch? |
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| 17:30.15 | b00 | strider, unstable, yea |
| 17:30.16 | dorto | can someone point me to a good/descriptive tutorial on apt-zip? tired of the results of google... |
| 17:30.20 | wols | bla: the only place to set it is with dpkg-reocnfigure in debian |
| 17:30.25 | wols | !tell bla about drxx |
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| 17:30.41 | Defty | bla: set the refresh ranges in the config file |
| 17:30.44 | alarmyst | bla: /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 17:30.44 | bla | i think i tried that, gotta try again T_T |
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| 17:31.11 | bla | alarmyst, i am newb for debian actully i am not sure how to start that thing u wrote |
| 17:31.16 | Defty | bla: and get your monitor manual or similar ready so you know what it's capable of |
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| 17:31.26 | strider | b00: try doing an apt-file purge followed by apt-file update again |
| 17:31.30 | alarmyst | bla: its a conf file, you dont start it, you edit it |
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| 17:31.43 | The_And1 | What's the command for extracting a tar.bz2 file? |
| 17:31.46 | bla | alarmyst, how to edit... |
| 17:31.57 | wols | you don't edit it either |
| 17:31.58 | Defty | bla: choose a text editor that works preferably from the command line, log in as root and edit the file (don't try to run it) |
| 17:31.58 | bla | defty can it be problem with monitor drivers? |
| 17:31.59 | unstable | The_And1: tar xvjf file.tar.bz2 |
| 17:32.01 | plasmoduck | bla, su, then nano /etc/X11/xorg.cong |
| 17:32.04 | Defty | bla: no |
| 17:32.05 | plasmoduck | .conf |
| 17:32.08 | unstable | The_And1: You need to apt-get install bzip2 first |
| 17:32.12 | alarmyst | bla: text editor, nano, vi etc |
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| 17:32.24 | bla | k i try brb |
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| 17:32.51 | The_And1 | ok |
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| 17:34.04 | bla | alarmyst "kwrite /etc/Xsu/xorg.cong |
| 17:34.04 | bla | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 17:34.04 | bla | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 17:34.04 | bla | kwrite: cannot connect to X server :0.0" |
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| 17:34.33 | dorto | anyone knows a good tutorial for apt-zip? |
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| 17:34.59 | Anthro | !kill bla |
| 17:35.14 | unstable | bla: He didn't say to use kwrite, use nano |
| 17:35.23 | unstable | bla: Or apt-get install sux |
| 17:35.23 | bla | i dont have it |
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| 17:35.38 | bla | where to get nano? |
| 17:35.51 | unstable | bla: Are you running woody? |
| 17:35.56 | unstable | Try pico if so. |
| 17:36.02 | bla | omg i dont know what woody :( |
| 17:36.16 | unstable | !kill bla |
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| 17:36.18 | pollywog | my machine won't boot to a new kernel because I did not use an initrd |
| 17:36.33 | pollywog | how do I find out which modules are needed to boot? |
| 17:36.53 | unstable | pollywog: When you make-kpkg just add the option --initrd |
| 17:37.06 | unstable | ie make-kpkg --initrd kernelimage |
| 17:37.18 | pollywog | unstable: no, I had problems building with initrd I don't know why |
| 17:37.45 | bla | wols: i run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 from shell, but i am not sure how to handle it :) |
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| 17:37.52 | bla | what to do ?:( |
| 17:37.56 | pollywog | yes I have done it many times only now it does not work it complains that I need to install packages I hav e never heard of |
| 17:38.07 | joefso3 | I want apt pinning only for 'a' package, how do I do that? |
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| 17:39.02 | pollywog | something has changed in the debian kernel making procedure, apparently |
| 17:39.14 | Anthro | joefso3: man apt_preferences |
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| 17:39.23 | pollywog | I don't know what it is and I can't find uop-to-date info |
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| 17:39.32 | bla | it says: "Please enter the video card's bus identifier." what should i enter there? |
| 17:39.47 | plasmoduck | w /j #html |
| 17:39.48 | pollywog | bla: I just hit return for that |
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| 17:40.21 | HPS`Fresh | ÎÕÌÓÑ? |
| 17:40.31 | unstable | !tell HPS`Fresh about ru |
| 17:40.54 | bla | pollywog: then it asks for memeory, if its 128mb its 128*1024kb? |
| 17:41.00 | HPS`Fresh | unstable sorry, just put my words in wrong box :) |
| 17:41.28 | pollywog | the memory on your video card, yes |
| 17:41.29 | strider | bla: you can choose the defaults in most cases. hit enter if you don't know |
| 17:41.43 | The_And1 | tar: lipstik-2.2: Cannot utime: Operation not permitted |
| 17:41.47 | unstable | HPS`Fresh: ok. If it is easier for you to speak russian /join #debian-russian |
| 17:41.49 | strider | bla: you can leave that blank |
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| 17:42.26 | HPS`Fresh | unstable some times it`s more usefull to talk english |
| 17:42.45 | HPS`Fresh | unstable it`ll be my practice :) |
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| 17:43.30 | bla | pollywog: "Please select your keyboard variant." what to enter? |
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| 17:44.00 | pollywog | I have a common kb so I select 104 |
| 17:44.04 | fusch | hi, i'm trying to get usb-sticks mounted automatically. i installed pmount and executing pmount-hal by hand works well, but i don't know how to get this automated |
| 17:44.16 | HPS`Fresh | bla look at your keyboard and decide, wich one is lookse like your |
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| 17:44.34 | pollywog | if you have a Euro kb select that |
| 17:44.55 | pollywog | mine has 104 or 101 keys so I select 104 |
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| 17:45.04 | bla | i left it blank |
| 17:45.04 | pollywog | I did not actually count them |
| 17:45.09 | bla | it asks for mouse port |
| 17:45.12 | bla | how to check it |
| 17:45.12 | bla | ? |
| 17:45.13 | pollywog | that will probably work |
| 17:45.47 | pollywog | what kind of plug on your mouse and does it have a button on top? |
| 17:45.47 | bla | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:45.59 | bla | i use usb mouse |
| 17:46.07 | bla | mx500 |
| 17:46.16 | pollywog | then use /dev/psaux if that is a choise |
| 17:46.19 | pollywog | choice |
| 17:46.24 | bla | k |
| 17:46.46 | Anthro | pollywog: Er, usb mice show up on /dev/input/mice |
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| 17:46.57 | pollywog | oic |
| 17:47.00 | Acid`X | bla, got mdetect and read-edid? |
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| 17:47.11 | bla | what is that : ( |
| 17:47.18 | Anthro | pollywog: And all mice show up on /dev/input/mice under 2.6 |
| 17:47.20 | bla | hwo to go back? |
| 17:47.24 | tyler | how do i check what codecs i dont have so that i can know what to compile again for mplayer? |
| 17:47.27 | pollywog | Anthro: oic |
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| 17:48.01 | pollywog | tyler get the codecs package |
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| 17:48.12 | pollywog | w32codecs |
| 17:48.21 | Anthro | tyler: /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 17:53.18 | __Thepiratemaste | if i do "chown devcore apache2-default" and then try to change the name of it it doesnt work |
| 17:53.30 | __Thepiratemaste | what could be the cause of that? |
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| 17:54.42 | d03boy | okie, upgraded to kernel 2.6.15-1 and installed nvidia drivers correctly.. what ar emor ways to keep my comp runing fast |
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| 17:55.12 | nvz | __Thepiratemaste: you are going to have to be more specific. |
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| 17:55.34 | __Thepiratemaste | what more info do you need? |
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| 17:55.46 | __Thepiratemaste | i dont think i have any more |
| 17:55.50 | nvz | __Thepiratemaste: you dont realize none of that makes any sense? |
| 17:56.06 | nvz | "change the name" "it it" |
| 17:56.20 | nvz | not to mention you didnt specify +_any_ errors |
| 17:56.23 | MarcoPau | what do you guys suggest me to move my whole debian onto another hard disk? |
| 17:56.46 | __Thepiratemaste | do you know basic chown syntax? if so you know what "it" means, and if there are any errors i would have fiven them |
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| 17:56.49 | __Thepiratemaste | *given |
| 17:56.53 | WireDDD | d03boy, are you worrying about it slowing down over time? cause linux doesn't do that |
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| 17:57.03 | Gnea | !assume |
| 17:57.03 | dpkg | well, assume is the mother of all mistakes and (ASS - U - ME): makes an ass of you and makes an ass of me |
| 17:57.18 | nvz | then your statement shows no problem and thus has no solution |
| 17:57.31 | nvz | you changed ownership of a file, congratulations. |
| 17:57.42 | __Thepiratemaste | no it didnt |
| 17:57.47 | __Thepiratemaste | and i want to know why |
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| 17:58.03 | nvz | __Thepiratemaste: what does id say? |
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| 17:58.08 | juhov | __Thepiratemaste: if there's no error why do you think "it" didn't work? and what didn't work? |
| 17:58.10 | __Thepiratemaste | the owner ship is still the same if devcore cannow write to it |
| 17:58.11 | d03boy | WireDDD, i dont know what I mean. I just want it to run as fast as it can |
| 17:58.22 | Gnea | !tell __Thepiratemaste about ask |
| 17:58.37 | WireDDD | well what wm are you using? |
| 17:58.41 | wols | nvz: just because __Thepiratemaste doesn't know his ass from his elbow, doesn't mean you have to follow suit. "what does id say" is pretty meaningless :P |
| 17:58.43 | nvz | __Thepiratemaste: and furthermore what _are_ the permissions on the file |
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| 17:58.52 | d03boy | fluxbox |
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| 17:59.05 | nvz | wols: no its not. id will tell me which user the bonehead is |
| 17:59.11 | Gnea | __Thepiratemaste: what is the output of thet 'id' command? |
| 17:59.17 | Gnea | *the |
| 17:59.23 | magyar | is there a way i can allow a user to mount a disk partition in his home directory. I added myself to the disk group but i still get "only root can do that" ? |
| 17:59.26 | __Thepiratemaste | damn i give all the info but yuo just dont see it, sorry but i'll be back when any smarter ppl are in the room, or at least that kind of ppl that may admit |
| 17:59.26 | __Thepiratemaste | their own failure |
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| 17:59.33 | nvz | wols: if hes not root he cant change a file he doesnt own to a person he doesnt have privlage to |
| 17:59.38 | loggygreg | __Thepiratemaste: perhaps you don't have write acess in the directory that contains apache2-default |
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| 17:59.50 | Gnea | cool, he left |
| 17:59.53 | nvz | yeah |
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| 18:00.01 | Gnea | what a waste of resources :) |
| 18:00.04 | nvz | yep |
| 18:00.06 | julien | hi , I try to compile a prog and I got the followinf error 'configure: error: We need a working libXext to proceed' , whereas I got libxext and libxext-dev installed , what else should I install ? |
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| 18:00.17 | WireDDD | d03boy, its probably as fast as it can go, you could read through /var/log/messages and look at what happens when you are booting and make sure all of your hardware is getting detected properly |
| 18:00.19 | Gnea | !beer nvz |
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| 18:00.37 | wols | lol. his repartee is classic |
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| 18:00.58 | d03boy | okie |
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| 18:01.16 | pollywog | how do I determine what modules my machine needs to boot, so I can dispense with initrd? |
| 18:01.17 | nvz | I feel like tom cat.. when he caught Jerry in his paws and looks in and theres Jerry huddled over looking into his fist.. and tom goes to see what he's got and he pops tom in the eye |
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| 18:01.41 | pollywog | the only thing I thought I needed was reiserfs in the kernel |
| 18:01.48 | abrotman | haha |
| 18:01.48 | pollywog | apparently not |
| 18:01.59 | debianito | can anyone hear anything here http://www.cadenaser.com/player_radio.html ?? |
| 18:02.20 | WireDDD | you aren't going to get very far with out initrd |
| 18:02.21 | pollywog | my machine does not use scsi so I don't need that |
| 18:02.34 | wols | pollywog: you also need drivers for the hdd where your rootfs is on |
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| 18:02.41 | pollywog | WireDDD: yeah but I am unable to compile kernels with it |
| 18:02.42 | wols | ide drivers mainly |
| 18:02.43 | Gnea | nvz: an obvious troll |
| 18:02.49 | nvz | Gnea: I cant believe someone who cant spell people has the nerve to comment on anyones intelligence |
| 18:03.01 | pollywog | I am not trolling |
| 18:03.02 | debianito | I dont know why my mozilla is not playing sounds.....i cant also hear videos from youtube.com,...but I can here music on my computer |
| 18:03.03 | abrotman | WireDDD: many people run kernels without initrd |
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| 18:03.13 | abrotman | WireDDD: for that matter .. some even run without loadable module support |
| 18:03.17 | KomiaPoika | how can i reinstall grub from debian net install cd? |
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| 18:03.29 | WireDDD | abrotman, yeah some people do alot of things |
| 18:03.42 | pollywog | I have run kernels with and without initrd but this is a big problem |
| 18:03.51 | pollywog | something about initrd has changed in testing |
| 18:03.58 | pollywog | I don't know what it is |
| 18:03.58 | julien | anyone can tell me abpout that compile error ''configure: error: We need a working libXext to proceed' , i really dont knwo what to install to fix it ? |
| 18:04.01 | B_S | hey pelo how i lock the qmail for do not receive sent mail from external conexao in my domain? |
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| 18:04.24 | B_S | or better, using my domain |
| 18:04.32 | wols | julien: dissect the configure logs. most probably configure just can't find the installed libXext |
| 18:04.36 | pollywog | julien you need a libext package I think |
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| 18:04.52 | nvz | !br |
| 18:04.52 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 18:05.11 | WireDDD | yay i'm out of hd space again. |
| 18:05.21 | julien | wols, pollywog , already installed libxext and libxext-dev ! |
| 18:05.24 | nvz | LVM++ |
| 18:05.31 | Gnea | debian-newbie: nope |
| 18:05.34 | Gnea | oops |
| 18:05.41 | nvz | never run out of hd space where there are cheap drives for sale |
| 18:05.58 | strider | julien: what are you trying to compile? |
| 18:05.59 | pollywog | julien perhaps you installed an outdated version? |
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| 18:06.06 | WireDDD | yeah i'll have to go get another 400gig drive this after noon |
| 18:06.10 | Daedalus_ | julien: shot in the dark: do you have to load modext in your xorg.conf file? |
| 18:06.18 | abrotman | julien: did you get the -dev package? |
| 18:06.32 | strider | yeah he did |
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| 18:07.04 | abrotman | julien: check the configure script .. what is it looking for? |
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| 18:08.10 | pollywog | so if I print output from lsmod, how do I deterine which modules are needed to boot the machine? |
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| 18:08.32 | nvz | I got an uninvited guest.. I am not sure what it is.. at times I hear footsteps and other times I am hearing little wings like a small incect |
| 18:08.51 | abrotman | nvz: a supersized flying ant? |
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| 18:09.21 | pengol | hi there I'm building a package I wish to be distributed, I have a problems building a pacakge with CFLAGS=-Wl,-z,defs set in the rules, can I remove the flag? |
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| 18:09.34 | nvz | abrotman: not sure.. there are chipmunks, field mice, wasps, beetles.etc.. around here as well as ants |
| 18:09.55 | WireDDD | nvz kinda sounds like a mouse |
| 18:09.56 | magyar | is there a way to relog a user without loging out? |
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| 18:10.03 | julien | strider, i try to compile kxdocker |
| 18:10.08 | WireDDD | nvz could be termites.... |
| 18:10.31 | abrotman | nvz: you have electricity in your tent? |
| 18:10.44 | KomiaPoika | how can i reinstall grub from net install cd? when i select install lilo or install grub from net install cd menu, it offers me to edit partition and write changes, but i don't want to lose data. |
| 18:10.49 | strider | julien: isn;t kxdocker already in the repos |
| 18:10.58 | pollywog | the kernel panic messages should be more specific ;) |
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| 18:12.33 | julien | strider, yes but its an old version |
| 18:12.37 | nvz | abrotman: of course |
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| 18:13.18 | strider | julien: it could be that it wants a later version of libext-dev |
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| 18:14.40 | julien | no I already fix the problem on anoter debian last week but i dont remembre what i had to install ... I rememeber its not a libext package , it something else , but i dont remebre what |
| 18:14.56 | pollywog | how do I slow the boot process (I have grub) so I can select the boot image? |
| 18:15.05 | pollywog | it goes too fast |
| 18:15.19 | pollywog | and boots the broken image |
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| 18:15.41 | edwin | do you have a menu? |
| 18:15.44 | edwin | for grub? |
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| 18:15.52 | loggygreg | pollywog: 'timeout 5' in menu.lst |
| 18:15.55 | pollywog | yes but it goes too fast |
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| 18:16.03 | pollywog | I changed timout to 6 |
| 18:16.10 | pollywog | 5 was a problem |
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| 18:16.55 | edwin | pollywog: is your problem solved with timeout 6? |
| 18:17.07 | pollywog | I will find out next reboot ;) |
| 18:17.19 | simonrvn | i set it at 10, gives me plenty of time |
| 18:17.30 | pollywog | with lilo I could stop the process with shift key |
| 18:17.35 | abrotman | try e? |
| 18:17.38 | abrotman | rather 'e' |
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| 18:17.42 | simonrvn | and you can stop the countdown too, just move the cursor |
| 18:17.49 | edwin | If you press an arrow key really fast, then timeout 5 shouldn't be a problem.... |
| 18:17.58 | pollywog | yes I did not think of the cursor |
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| 18:18.55 | pollywog | what packages are required to use initrd? |
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| 18:19.18 | nvz | umm no |
| 18:19.18 | Wiese | any there is great with postfix ? |
| 18:19.34 | HPS`Fresh | pollywog initrd-tools, i think |
| 18:19.34 | abrotman | just ask |
| 18:19.35 | pollywog | when I made a kernel last night I got complaints about running with two initrd's |
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| 18:19.53 | pollywog | it said I needed some other packages I have never seen before |
| 18:20.00 | JohnFlux | when I make menuconfig a kernel it will _only_ let me select 64bit processor |
| 18:20.09 | pollywog | initrd-tools was not one of them |
| 18:20.17 | nvz | initrd is an inital ram-disk to use one your filesystem is not even mounted so there is no tools to _use_ one there are only tools to build and install one |
| 18:20.31 | JohnFlux | how do I make a 32bit kernel |
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| 18:21.08 | edwin__ | JohnFlux: you need 32-bit gcc for it, try running it in a 32-bit chroot |
| 18:21.16 | pollywog | karsten how do I dtermine what modules I need to build into the kernel so I don't need initrd? |
| 18:21.18 | d03boy | so I was listening to xmms for abou 3 seconds, then all of a sudden it cut out and all my sound disappeared. I have a feeling that isnt good |
| 18:21.32 | edwin__ | JohnFlux: and: ARCH="i386" make menuconfig |
| 18:21.44 | pollywog | under sarge I was able to make initrds, no problem |
| 18:21.49 | pollywog | something has changed |
| 18:21.57 | JohnFlux | edwin__: making a 32 bit chroot sounds complicated |
| 18:22.08 | d03boy | is there a way to restart alsa or something? i thinkit screwed up |
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| 18:22.25 | abrotman | pollywog: maybe you should tell us the error you get when you try to boot your broken kernel |
| 18:22.29 | edwin__ | JohnFlux: do you run debian on amd64? I missed the beginning of your question |
| 18:22.36 | pollywog | just kernel panic |
| 18:22.40 | paolob | Hi guys! anyone knows about openwengo entering debian? |
| 18:22.43 | pollywog | that is all I get |
| 18:22.50 | JohnFlux | edwin__: yeah I do |
| 18:22.52 | pollywog | so I don't know the modules I need |
| 18:22.55 | strider | d03boy: /etc/init.d/alsa restart |
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| 18:23.00 | JohnFlux | edwin__: but I need to make a kernel for a i386 machine |
| 18:23.15 | JohnFlux | edwin__: just ARCH=i386 did the trick for make menuconfig |
| 18:23.16 | edwin__ | JohnFlux: I compiled a 32-bit kernel too |
| 18:23.19 | pollywog | I have printed out lsmod from the old kernel |
| 18:23.21 | JohnFlux | edwin__: no idea if it will actually work though |
| 18:23.21 | Supaplex | pollywog: not another line on your screen save for "kernel panic" - you must have omitted some details :) |
| 18:23.24 | JohnFlux | edwin__: compile wise |
| 18:23.27 | edwin__ | JohnFlux: don't forget the ARCH="i386" before make |
| 18:23.31 | d03boy | damn, that didnt fix the problem |
| 18:23.37 | JohnFlux | edwin__: ah right |
| 18:23.38 | Wiese | Any there can help with the guide to get Virtual Users And Domains With Postfix, Courier And MySQL (+ SMTP-AUTH, Quota, SpamAssassin, ClamAV), because when i finshed it, i get some error about not recieving mails, maildir |
| 18:23.59 | nvz | Supaplex: he said thats all he gets.. he didnt say thats all it gives :P |
| 18:24.06 | abrotman | Wiese: iirc .. there's a lovely howto at www.postfix.org |
| 18:24.10 | pollywog | I will try to build anaother initrd kernel and I will show the errors |
| 18:24.11 | edwin__ | JohnFlux: I don't remember if I did menuconfig from the chroot or not, but compiling works fine with ARCH="i386" |
| 18:24.15 | Supaplex | nvz: ooouuuu - alright. :-D |
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| 18:24.37 | pollywog | it's probably easier to do that than to try to do without initrd |
| 18:24.58 | Wiese | Yeah, but im almost finished setting up the server, and there are just some few bugs there need to be killed.. |
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| 18:25.16 | Supaplex | Wiese: fire the admin ;) |
| 18:25.35 | Supaplex | Wiese: no really, what's the one line maildir error message in full? |
| 18:25.39 | nvz | initrd is useless if you are building a kernel for a standard desktop system with internal hard drive.. unless the kernel will boot dozens of different pcs like on a cd or something than it doesnt need initrd |
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| 18:26.22 | JohnFlux | edwin__: it's been over 5 years since I've done this. anything in particular I should remember when configuring a kernel? |
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| 18:26.38 | nvz | you just make sure you _configure_ your kernel properly. and if you dont know how to do that you probably shouldnt be building onwe |
| 18:26.40 | d03boy | how do I find out if my system is using alsa or not? |
| 18:26.40 | JohnFlux | edwin__: I'm trying to get a kernel to work on my celeron system. none of the stock ones work |
| 18:26.49 | JohnFlux | nvz: no choice |
| 18:26.53 | edwin__ | JohnFlux: why don't the stock ones work? |
| 18:26.53 | nvz | d03boy: lsmod |
| 18:27.12 | edwin__ | JohnFlux: make sure that you compile the drivers needed for the IDE/SCSI controller in-kernel |
| 18:27.16 | JohnFlux | edwin__: not entirely sure. I think because they have the required ide driver compiled as a module |
| 18:27.16 | edwin__ | JohnFlux: and not as module |
| 18:27.17 | Wiese | Supaplex: Error 1: -ERR Maildir: No such file or directory, Error 2: relay=none, delay=0, status=bounced (mail for **** loops back to myself) |
| 18:27.22 | pollywog | funny that make-kpkg no longer asks if I REALLY want an initrd |
| 18:27.28 | edwin__ | JohnFLux: also try making an initrd |
| 18:27.34 | Supaplex | celeron has nothing to do with a stock kernel failing, I'm sure. |
| 18:27.39 | nvz | JohnFlux: one I wasnt talking about you :P, and two you always have a choice. |
| 18:27.42 | JohnFlux | edwin__: the kernel always boots but then fails to find the initrd |
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| 18:27.53 | JohnFlux | nvz: well I could just not run linux... |
| 18:27.54 | pollywog | I use celeron and the stock kernel did not fail |
| 18:27.56 | JohnFlux | nvz: if that's my choice |
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| 18:28.04 | nvz | pollywog: its not suppose to, you are suppose to tell make-kpkg with the --initrd option |
| 18:28.10 | JohnFlux | pollywog: it's a mobile device |
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| 18:28.19 | JohnFlux | pollywog: not quite standard hardware |
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| 18:28.29 | Supaplex | Wiese: check mydestinations in main.cf. or is this for a virtual account? (eg, overlaid ontop of a real account, or just pure virtual) |
| 18:28.29 | pollywog | yes but it always asked me before if I really wanted initrd |
| 18:28.32 | d03boy | ok, I guess i'm using oss or something |
| 18:28.35 | edwin__ | JohnFlux: how do you boot the kernel: grub/lilo or something more peculiar? |
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| 18:28.51 | JohnFlux | edwin__: via loadlin |
| 18:28.54 | pollywog | it was kind of annoying that it would do that |
| 18:29.05 | dany | hi what can i use to record mymouse movements and repeat the same actions??? |
| 18:29.06 | JohnFlux | edwin__: i have no bootable media |
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| 18:29.08 | edwin__ | JohnFlux: can you specify the initrd on loadlin command-line? |
| 18:29.08 | pollywog | every time |
| 18:29.12 | JohnFlux | edwin__: yes |
| 18:29.16 | Wiese | Supaplex: Yu can see the file there: http://www.yup.dk/files/postfix/main.cf, i haven |
| 18:29.19 | edwin__ | and does it still fail? |
| 18:29.26 | JohnFlux | edwin__: but that requires that the kernel has compiled in the drivers to access the drive |
| 18:29.26 | KomiaPoika | help, how can i reinstall grub or lilo on a hd without deleting files or tables? |
| 18:29.32 | JohnFlux | edwin__: to read the initrd |
| 18:29.44 | edwin__ | loadling should load the initrd in memory |
| 18:29.51 | edwin__ | just like grub/lilo does, shouldn't it? |
| 18:29.58 | edwin__ | loadlin^^ |
| 18:30.00 | JohnFlux | edwin__: hmm, I don't know |
| 18:30.02 | Supaplex | Wiese: I don't need to inspect your config. you're the admin :) is mail for that error message for a local, or a virtual account? |
| 18:30.06 | Wiese | haven't been using postfix much, i mostly makes web projects.. |
| 18:30.13 | edwin__ | anyway, try compiling the required drivers not as a module |
| 18:30.20 | JohnFlux | edwin__: I had always assumed it just passed some raw address of the initrd file |
| 18:30.20 | edwin__ | do you know exactly the hardware? |
| 18:30.21 | Wiese | virtual |
| 18:30.34 | pollywog | how do I know which modules to compile? |
| 18:30.41 | pollywog | which drivers, rather |
| 18:31.00 | Red_Cloud | I have installed Bastille package for system security. I am able to set the options of this program using text console. Bastille uses perl-TK for GUI interface. Whenever I try to open Bastille with the interface I get the message: ERROR: Cannot use X interface because $DISPLAY not set. How do I set $DISPLAY? |
| 18:31.01 | nvz | pollywog: dmesg, lspci, lsusb..etc |
| 18:31.06 | edwin__ | try using yaird, it should figure out the required modules by itself |
| 18:31.12 | dbe | which packages can convert MP3 to OGG? |
| 18:31.22 | edwin__ | Red_Cloud: export DISPLAY=:0 |
| 18:31.29 | abrotman | dbe: libvorbis ? |
| 18:31.31 | JohnFlux | dbe: google. also you will lose some quality |
| 18:31.36 | JohnFlux | dbe: mencoder will do it |
| 18:31.37 | pollywog | I only want to compile the ones that the machine requires to boot so the kernel is not too big |
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| 18:31.53 | Wiese | Supaplex: the server has been configured for confixx to start with, and then i removed some of the confixx configuration, so it should work with postfix, but i don't know much what the main.cf means.. |
| 18:31.55 | Supaplex | Wiese: ok, then your transport lookup map isn't supplying it. try postmap -q email@virtual mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual_transports.cf |
| 18:32.00 | d03boy | can I somehow restart oss? |
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| 18:32.17 | edwin__ | I have to go now, bye ppl |
| 18:32.18 | JohnFlux | d03boy: what's oss |
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| 18:32.30 | JohnFlux | d03boy: oh your sound system |
| 18:32.32 | d03boy | JohnFlux, sound drivers or something... I dont know.. my sound stopped working |
| 18:32.38 | Supaplex | Wiese: bbiab, man postmap - it'll save you plenty of headache. |
| 18:32.41 | JohnFlux | d03boy: define stopped working |
| 18:33.34 | dbe | mencoder, libvorbis not on apt JohnFlux abrotman |
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| 18:33.35 | d03boy | JohnFlux, opened xmms.. played music for a few seconds then all my sound died. Now when I turn it up I can slightly hear something that kind of sounds like music. |
| 18:33.35 | pollywog | Wiese if you want to save yourself headaches with Postfix, get the book "The Postfix Book" |
| 18:33.43 | pollywog | great book |
| 18:33.44 | JohnFlux | d03boy: check your leards |
| 18:33.49 | Wiese | Postmap -p dosen't say anything.. |
| 18:33.54 | JohnFlux | d03boy: sounds like a physical connector/lead broke |
| 18:33.59 | pollywog | postmap not Postmap |
| 18:34.13 | d03boy | JohnFlux, ... |
| 18:34.22 | d03boy | lets just pretend it didnt |
| 18:34.24 | Red_Cloud | edwin, I get the message Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 18:34.31 | d03boy | because its a laptop |
| 18:34.33 | Wiese | postmap -p aint saying anything too.. |
| 18:34.34 | Supaplex | Wiese: it should say virtual: - fix the .cf it's pointing to. |
| 18:34.35 | JohnFlux | d03boy: then try alsamix |
| 18:34.47 | JohnFlux | d03boy: if you have windows or something, check it works in that :) |
| 18:34.57 | JohnFlux | d03boy: then try alsamixer |
| 18:35.10 | Shadowcat | d03boy: what trouble have you gotten yourself into this time? |
| 18:35.26 | d03boy | =] |
| 18:35.29 | Wiese | Supaplex: Should there stand something i the logs ? Or on the screen ? |
| 18:35.32 | d03boy | upgraded my kernel last night, and my nvidia drivers |
| 18:35.41 | Shadowcat | yes and? |
| 18:35.45 | pollywog | I think it's the ACPI stuff that I need to compile into the kernel |
| 18:35.49 | d03boy | so i started playing a song in xmms today and my sound died |
| 18:36.03 | d03boy | i can slightly hear a little bit of buzzing/music playing when I turn it up high |
| 18:36.07 | Red_Cloud | edwin_ I get the message Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 18:36.12 | Shadowcat | pebkac |
| 18:36.17 | Shadowcat | fix your volume you n00b |
| 18:36.19 | d03boy | probably |
| 18:36.25 | d03boy | i alreayd played with the volume |
| 18:36.31 | d03boy | the sound is fuzzy |
| 18:36.32 | abrotman | !find libvorbis sarge |
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| 18:36.36 | Wiese | postmap: fatal: open ***@***: No such file or directory |
| 18:36.41 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libvorbis' (5 of 9): (/usr/lib/vlc/codec/libvorbis_plugin.so) in graphics/vlc ;; (/usr/lib/bmp/Input/libvorbis.so) in sound/beep-media-player ;; (/usr/lib/alsaplayer/input/libvorbis_in.so) in sound/alsaplayer-common ;; (/usr/lib/{libvorbis.so.0|libvorbis.so.0.3.0}) in libs/libvorbis0a ;; (/usr/lib/{libvorbisenc.so.2|libvorbisenc.so.2.0.0}) in libs/libvorbisenc2. |
| 18:36.49 | Shadowcat | d03boy: ok then recompile the kernel with the proper modules |
| 18:36.53 | abrotman | yeah .. no libvorbis |
| 18:37.10 | d03boy | Shadowcat, howwwww? |
| 18:37.22 | Shadowcat | what kernel are you running now? |
| 18:37.28 | d03boy | 2.6.15-1-686 |
| 18:37.36 | Shadowcat | so you're running unstable |
| 18:37.44 | Shadowcat | and you're too stupid to sort out the mess you've gotten yourself into |
| 18:37.46 | Shadowcat | that's just great |
| 18:37.46 | abrotman | Shadowcat: will you PAL now ? |
| 18:37.53 | Shadowcat | pal? |
| 18:37.56 | pollywog | I am trying to get that same kernel installed in testing |
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| 18:38.08 | abrotman | !pal Shadowcat |
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| 18:38.16 | Shadowcat | !beat abrotman |
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| 18:38.39 | Supaplex | Wiese: uhm yea, step 1 rtfm. man postmap, step 2, form the sql query so "virtual:" is returned as the sql result when checking that domain. |
| 18:38.43 | Shadowcat | heh I can't even run a stock debian kernel on any of my systems |
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| 18:39.34 | Supaplex | Wiese: oh, and read up on transport_maps |
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| 18:40.18 | dw_ | anyone have any idea of what I could use to get a list of all the computer names *and* the IP addresses of the computers on the network? |
| 18:40.47 | JohnFlux | dw_: ping the broadcast address ;) |
| 18:40.50 | pollywog | computer names as in NETBIOS names? |
| 18:40.56 | pollywog | or host names |
| 18:41.24 | dw_ | host names, I guess. The things samba displays. |
| 18:41.35 | JohnFlux | dw_: that's netbios |
| 18:41.37 | pollywog | those are netbios names I thinl |
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| 18:41.58 | Supaplex | pollywog: nmblookup |
| 18:42.00 | dw_ | JohnFlux: oh ok, what could I use? |
| 18:42.20 | Supaplex | pollywog: nm, that was for dw_ |
| 18:42.21 | dw_ | tried investigating with nmap, but couldn't find all the appropriate options for it |
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| 18:42.26 | Supaplex | dw_: nmblookup |
| 18:42.31 | dw_ | Supaplex: oh, I'll try it out now |
| 18:42.35 | JohnFlux | dw_: that's because it doesn't work at the ip layer |
| 18:42.36 | Wiese | Supaplex: should i also setup procmail ? |
| 18:42.38 | Zrin | an install howto tells me to lynx -source http://go-pear.org/ | php in order to "install PEAR" ... what is this? |
| 18:42.48 | Supaplex | Wiese: that's for you to decide. |
| 18:42.58 | JohnFlux | Zrin: why not go to go-pear.org and find out |
| 18:43.04 | JohnFlux | Zrin: or google |
| 18:43.17 | Zrin | JohnFlux: it is a php source well |
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| 18:43.51 | Wiese | Supaplex: Okay, but i can see the if the mail checks out, it delivered to that one.. |
| 18:44.09 | RougeWarrior | can some one help me with Xen here |
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| 18:44.10 | dw_ | Supaplex: I want it to scan all computers on the network, so... what should I enter? nmblookup * doesn't seem to be correct |
| 18:44.13 | JohnFlux | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:44.20 | bernd_vienna | hi, how can i change from "OSS" to "alsa"? |
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| 18:44.38 | Supaplex | dw_: well, nmblookup will look up one address. check the -A switch. |
| 18:44.39 | JohnFlux | dw_: you have to choose which workgroup i think |
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| 18:45.03 | JohnFlux | Zrin: http://builder.com.com/5100-6374-1045409.html |
| 18:45.09 | Supaplex | oh yea, it'll lookup \* humm.. |
| 18:45.11 | TheWahbinator | where did base-config go |
| 18:45.16 | JohnFlux | Zrin: It's a framework |
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| 18:45.57 | Zrin | JohnFlux: what makes me feel unsecure is simply executing a lynx dump (as root) |
| 18:46.09 | cahoot | bernd_vienna: try /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
| 18:46.34 | Zrin | JohnFlux: I refuse to do it... |
| 18:46.34 | Supaplex | Zrin: in answer to your inital question, about the same as php -r 'include("http://go-pear.org/");' |
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| 18:46.58 | dw_ | JohnFlux: workgroup, as in...? Sorry if I'm a little slow at this. |
| 18:47.18 | abrotman | #samba might know how to do it |
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| 18:47.40 | dw_ | Supaplex: doesn't seem to work. nmap says Host port-24.switch-3.north-b-cabinet.commonwealth-hall.student-halls.lon.ac.uk (128.86.148.112) appears to be up"......... but nmblookup gives "No reply from 128.86.148.112" |
| 18:47.47 | jsizzle | greets, I'm trying to get my high res console goin, I can set it using fbset -a 1024x768-60 but my kopt line in grub menu.lst looks like this "kopt=video=aty128fb:1024x768" and I can't get the video mode to work at boot, can anyone help me? thx in adv |
| 18:47.47 | Zrin | Supaplex: it seems that pear is in debian php anyway |
| 18:47.58 | dw_ | abrotman: yup, tried in there. Quite quiet atm, I guess. |
| 18:48.57 | Supaplex | dw_: are there any ports open for 135-139 udp/tcp? I forget the exact udp/tcp assignments needed for nmblookup to do it's job, but it's not guaranteed to give any reply. esp if they're not supplying that service |
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| 18:49.21 | DJ-Marcuzz | hello |
| 18:49.28 | dw_ | Supaplex: I know that the people here go through quite some trouble to make all ports they can blocked off |
| 18:49.43 | dw_ | Supaplex: perhaps those ports aren't open. |
| 18:49.50 | Supaplex | dw_: you're the one with nmap *g* |
| 18:50.05 | dw_ | Supaplex: should still be possible to get the computer names though, I guess -- smb:// shows them. |
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| 18:50.16 | DJ-Marcuzz | im trying to install xdcc-fetch on my debian sarge server for like 3 hoours now and i keep failing, does any of you use xdcc-fetch? |
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| 18:50.24 | Olyarms | alright. can someone help me out *which version of debian will work on my system*. i just had to boot up windows againn b/c it didn't work =( |
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| 18:50.45 | abrotman | why not? |
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| 18:51.27 | jsizzle | anyone using a graphical console that can help me get grub to set my hires console working plz? |
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| 18:52.54 | pollywog | why would someone build a kernel-headers package with initrd? |
| 18:52.56 | rabies | anyone in here a freenode op? |
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| 18:53.26 | abrotman | pollywog: because kernel headers are good |
| 18:53.29 | abrotman | rabies: /stats p |
| 18:53.38 | abrotman | rabies: why? |
| 18:53.49 | rabies | abrotman: im d/cing every 10 minutes |
| 18:53.59 | Wiese | Supaplex: What man did say would be good to read ? |
| 18:54.06 | pollywog | seriously though, I saw it in a howto but without an explanation |
| 18:54.13 | abrotman | rabies: what makes you thnik it's freenode? |
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| 18:54.24 | rabies | abrotman: cause im not d/cing from anything else |
| 18:54.39 | pollywog | rabies are you running SOCKS? |
| 18:54.50 | abrotman | rabies: stateful connections ? |
| 18:54.51 | pollywog | socks server |
| 18:54.57 | Supaplex | postmap, transport_maps etc |
| 18:55.12 | Supaplex | Wiese: also "apropos postfix" |
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| 18:55.32 | echristensen | anyone can help with enabling runtime PTYs in debian? |
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| 18:56.04 | rabies | pollywog: nope |
| 18:56.07 | rabies | abrotman: and i dunno |
| 18:56.20 | abrotman | so you blame freenode .. good plan :) |
| 18:56.20 | rabies | abrotman: i've had this connection for 5 years and never had this much trouble with freenode |
| 18:56.30 | rabies | abrotman: plus i've tried from two static connections |
| 18:56.34 | Wiese | Supaplex: Okay, will try.. |
| 18:56.34 | rabies | abrotman: 5 hours apart |
| 18:56.36 | abrotman | maybe your ISP hates IRC? |
| 18:56.40 | abrotman | rabies: try another client ? |
| 18:56.41 | rabies | 2 ISPs |
| 18:56.52 | WireDDD | rabies, maybe your router is dieing |
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| 18:56.55 | rabies | 2 computers |
| 18:56.59 | rabies | 2 OSes |
| 18:57.12 | rabies | WireDDD: i hope not, its brand new |
| 18:57.13 | abrotman | rabies: but neither are debian? |
| 18:57.18 | rabies | abrotman: debian and windows |
| 18:57.24 | jsizzle | are you using a router? did you try just connecting straight through without it? |
| 18:57.29 | Supaplex | and 2 brain cells! |
| 18:57.31 | abrotman | rabies: any chance you have a netgear/linksys router? |
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| 18:57.41 | rabies | abrotman: linksys from this connection, unknown from the other |
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| 18:57.56 | WireDDD | rabies Its your router |
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| 18:58.00 | rabies | WireDDD: really now |
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| 18:58.02 | pollywog | I am on a Linksys but I run Talisman and not the Linksys sopftware |
| 18:58.12 | rabies | WireDDD: are you psychic or just very dense? |
| 18:58.12 | abrotman | rabies: have you tried the DCC crap thing on yourself? |
| 18:58.15 | pollywog | and I have no problems with freenode |
| 18:58.23 | rabies | abrotman: dcc crap? |
| 18:58.26 | abrotman | rabies: regardless .. it doesn't seem to be debian related |
| 18:58.27 | jsizzle | I'm on a linksys but I run the dd-wrt firmware instead of linksys' crappy firm |
| 18:58.36 | rabies | abrotman: thats why i was asking for a freenode op!! |
| 18:58.44 | rabies | abrotman: sometimes they just hang around in here |
| 18:58.50 | abrotman | rabies: and i told you ... /stats p |
| 18:58.57 | rabies | abrotman: then why are you arguing with me? |
| 18:59.05 | Supaplex | abrotman: I thought it was /whois lilo ;) |
| 18:59.07 | pollywog | rabies he is not arguing |
| 18:59.17 | rabies | pollywog: <abrotman> maybe your ISP hates IRC? |
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| 18:59.25 | pollywog | this is not the place for that doesn't the network have a channel for that? |
| 18:59.32 | rabies | pollywog: yep, but i dont have voice |
| 18:59.35 | yawg | what is a good CLI email client? |
| 18:59.41 | jsizzle | yawg: mutt |
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| 18:59.48 | WireDDD | rabies, what about other irc networks? |
| 18:59.55 | rabies | WireDDD: havent tried'm |
| 19:00.04 | abrotman | rabies: try bloggage.org |
| 19:00.06 | d03boy | well this sucks :\ |
| 19:00.12 | rabies | d03boy: whats up now? |
| 19:00.16 | abrotman | rabies: that's not arguing .. it's a possibility .. and it still isn't related to debian |
| 19:00.19 | d03boy | sound is messed up |
| 19:00.28 | d03boy | otherwise my system runs smooth |
| 19:00.46 | st0ner | which GUI(!) app can you guys recommend for cd recording? is gnomebaker state-of-the-art or are there better ones (except K3b!!!) |
| 19:00.57 | pollywog | isn't there a freenode help channel? rabies read the welcome message for freenode maybe there is help there |
| 19:01.04 | dw_ | st0ner: why not k3b? |
| 19:01.04 | rabies | GNAA? |
| 19:01.05 | rabies | abrotman: mmk |
| 19:01.13 | rabies | pollywog: prolly |
| 19:01.20 | st0ner | no kde/qt/anything-like-that :) |
| 19:01.21 | Gnea | pollywog: #freenode |
| 19:01.27 | scratchi | st0ner: k3b?? |
| 19:01.35 | dw_ | on a debian amd64 install can I install 32-bit .debs ? |
| 19:01.35 | abrotman | rabies: http://bloggage.org/archives/2006/03/P2.html .. not sure if affects linksys or just netgear |
| 19:01.43 | WireDDD | st0ner, well k3b is there best gui cd burning you are going to get... |
| 19:01.44 | abrotman | no |
| 19:01.45 | Gnea | !netgear |
| 19:01.45 | dpkg | methinks netgear is if you've got a Netgear WGR614vX or WGR624vX router, then you probably have a security hole. To fix it, turn off Stateful Packet Inspection (SPI) in the firewall settings. Further, connecting to irc.freenode.net on port 8001 instead of port 6667 will prevent disconnection as well: /server irc.freenode.net 8001 Details can be found here: http://tinyurl.com/hsmsh and here: http://tinyurl.com/faxo7 |
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| 19:02.04 | jsizzle | now if I could just get grub to setup my high res console on boot, I'd be happy but no one else uses hi res console with framebuffer I guess cuz no one could answer my question |
| 19:02.06 | rabies | abrotman: its a linksys |
| 19:02.08 | jsizzle | :( |
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| 19:02.11 | dw_ | anyone? |
| 19:02.12 | pollywog | if it is a Linksys problem, get Talisman firmware |
| 19:02.13 | Nosf3ratu | bueller? |
| 19:02.19 | abrotman | rabies: there you go .. try port 8001 instead of 6667 .. see if it happens still |
| 19:02.19 | nvz | WireDDD: best? as in best in crashing the entire X server? best in creating coasters? |
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| 19:02.39 | pollywog | from sveasoft |
| 19:02.42 | sandman | k3b > xcdroast? |
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| 19:02.50 | nvz | WireDDD: I get about 2 cds out of it for every coaster or crash anymore |
| 19:02.50 | Supaplex | dw_: tias, I would hope so... |
| 19:02.56 | phogg | sandman: easier |
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| 19:03.09 | jsizzle | kopt=video=aty128fb:1024x768 |
| 19:03.10 | st0ner | talisman firmare is bad, dd-wrt much better |
| 19:03.14 | nvz | WireDDD: whoever said 2 out of 3 aint bad can start buying my cds |
| 19:03.14 | pollywog | I use RW CD's, no cooasters |
| 19:03.15 | rabies | mmk, on port 8001 |
| 19:03.19 | rabies | and this isnt a WRT54G |
| 19:03.19 | pollywog | and less waste |
| 19:03.27 | abrotman | rabies: how just hang out .. see if you get canned again |
| 19:03.28 | WireDDD | nvz really, I have never made a single coaster with k3b |
| 19:03.30 | dw_ | Supaplex: not sure why I recalled getting "wrong architecture" error some time ago. Might retry now. |
| 19:03.31 | pollywog | rabies I have that too |
| 19:03.33 | rabies | abrotman: sounds like a plan |
| 19:03.39 | jsizzle | that's the line in my grub/menu.lst if anyone cares and can help :[ |
| 19:03.46 | pollywog | I do not have rabies I have that router |
| 19:03.58 | Supaplex | dw_: well, try something non critical you can purge if it blows up. :) |
| 19:03.59 | nvz | WireDDD: it crashed my whole X session yesturday, and it failed to create me a working copy of a DVD |
| 19:04.03 | rabies | pollywog: is NOT a 54g |
| 19:04.07 | rabies | pollywog: as in NOT |
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| 19:04.21 | d03boy | what is it then |
| 19:04.28 | pollywog | oh my mistake |
| 19:04.30 | sandman | Isn't having one partition better than having 5? As far as I've heard, swapfiles are created in a squential manner on the filesystem these days, removing the overhead of using a swapfile versus a swap partition. |
| 19:04.34 | nvz | WireDDD: I use it cause I am lazy and I rather click around at which files I want to burn. but its a piece of shit |
| 19:04.34 | pollywog | I did not see the not |
| 19:04.39 | debian-newbie | sorry, another question: I now have debian marillat on my debian-sparc in the sources.list.. but there is no vlc source, or mplayer.. lots of new software but only vls server..I added dev-src like I was told... some patient help? |
| 19:04.43 | Gnea | lol |
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| 19:04.55 | rabies | d03boy: alsa? |
| 19:05.12 | d03boy | sure |
| 19:05.24 | rabies | debian-newbie: um...debian marillat? |
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| 19:05.36 | jsizzle | debian-newbie: here's my line for mplayer "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ etch main" yours look like that? |
| 19:05.37 | rabies | .at, what language is .at? |
| 19:05.37 | scratchi | debian-newbie: Did you 'apt-get update'? |
| 19:05.39 | WireDDD | nvz, well I'll let you know when I burn my first coaster with it, but i've burned serveral hundred cds and dvds with it and never had a problem |
| 19:05.42 | abrotman | austria |
| 19:05.50 | rabies | austria or australia? |
| 19:05.57 | scratchi | debian-newbie: You need to refresh you're list |
| 19:06.07 | abrotman | wtf did i just say? |
| 19:06.08 | rabies | d03boy: no are you running alsa? |
| 19:06.11 | Coweater | debian-newbie: apt-get source mplayer assuming you have the proper deb-src line |
| 19:06.18 | nvz | WireDDD: it happens every time for me.. but I rarely just burn one at a time.. its usually after the 2nd burn of the session |
| 19:06.20 | d03boy | rabies, oss I think, but not totally sure |
| 19:06.21 | rabies | abrotman: austria as in the slavic state im thinking |
| 19:06.23 | debian-newbie | I already refreshed my list... it worked.. more software available now.. but no vlc.. |
| 19:06.24 | Gnea | d03boy: lsmod | grep snd |
| 19:06.24 | jsizzle | debian-newbie: and hopefully you added a deb-src rather than dev-src |
| 19:06.34 | pollywog | Austria is a slavic state? |
| 19:06.34 | rabies | d03boy: do what Gnea said |
| 19:06.35 | debian-newbie | jop deb-src |
| 19:06.36 | abrotman | rabies: no shit .. you think? |
| 19:06.46 | rabies | abrotman: common misspelling |
| 19:06.50 | rabies | pollywog: i think so |
| 19:06.54 | pollywog | oic |
| 19:06.59 | d03boy | oss |
| 19:07.02 | rabies | by hungary |
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| 19:07.06 | abrotman | i don't think austria is slavic |
| 19:07.11 | rabies | d03boy: do you see "snd" or no "snd"? |
| 19:07.17 | phogg | debian-newbie: package vlc is in sarge and sid |
| 19:07.25 | debian-newbie | it can update its list in synaptic now.. but no mplayer or vlc.. AUTRIA is not slavic!! we speak austrian , kinda german |
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| 19:07.34 | jsizzle | debian-newbie: apt-cache search vlc |
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| 19:07.42 | d03boy | rabies, it lists about 10 things. some have the word oss in it, but none have alsa |
| 19:07.50 | rabies | d03boy: no words, just the snd- prefix |
| 19:07.54 | debian-newbie | only thing it gives out is.. vls, and vlc-doc |
| 19:07.56 | rabies | d03boy: any snd- prefix? |
| 19:08.05 | rabies | debian-newbie: ah, k |
| 19:08.08 | d03boy | no, but there is snd_ |
| 19:08.09 | rabies | debian-newbie: so eastern european? |
| 19:08.15 | rabies | d03boy: on a lot of'm? |
| 19:08.19 | d03boy | ya |
| 19:08.21 | Gnea | !alsa |
| 19:08.22 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
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| 19:08.24 | WireDDD | nvz, what version of k3b are you using if you don't mind me asking? |
| 19:08.25 | rabies | d03boy: that means you are using alsa |
| 19:08.31 | d03boy | ok |
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| 19:08.39 | phogg | debian-newbie: apt-get install gvlc # VLC with a GTK interface. Should work if you have sarge in your sources.list |
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| 19:08.43 | rabies | d03boy: now type in "alsamixer" |
| 19:08.53 | nvz | WireDDD: 0.11.20-1 |
| 19:08.54 | Gnea | rabies: he may have oss modules loaded as well. |
| 19:08.55 | debian-newbie | where next to germany, swizerland, and hungary and many others.. |
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| 19:08.59 | jsizzle | debian-newbie: close synaptic, and from console as root do "apt-cache search vlc" and type what comes back, you should see vlc. maybe synaptic is just missing it or something |
| 19:09.03 | curt | I hate /etc/networking/interfaces . |
| 19:09.04 | rabies | Gnea: nope, just oss compat modules |
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| 19:09.08 | debian-newbie | I work with testing, etch because I have a sun system.. |
| 19:09.10 | rabies | debian-newbie: or use xine |
| 19:09.11 | d03boy | k |
| 19:09.15 | jsizzle | curt: me too |
| 19:09.25 | debian-newbie | no xine there.. ;( only libs |
| 19:09.49 | rabies | debian-newbie: apt-get install gxine or apt-get install xine-ui or apt-get install xine or apt-get install totem or apt-get install kaffeine |
| 19:09.53 | rabies | debian-newbie: i cant remember which |
| 19:10.04 | rabies | debian-newbie: if there is nothing its cause its a sun system |
| 19:10.04 | abrotman | no xine in testing currently |
| 19:10.05 | WireDDD | hmm, I am runing 0.12.12 so maybe thats why mine doesn't mess up |
| 19:10.18 | rabies | abrotman: why? |
| 19:10.24 | abrotman | fuck if i know .. go find out |
| 19:10.29 | jsizzle | debian-newbie: there may not be sun debs for mplayer I dunno |
| 19:10.31 | Gnea | it's testing |
| 19:10.36 | Gnea | thus, they're testing it |
| 19:10.39 | debian-newbie | ;(... |
| 19:10.40 | rabies | abrotman: well totem is in there |
| 19:10.40 | curt | I have read Debian-reference ch-networking, man 5 interfaces, man 8 ifconfig, the mini-HOWTO. and about ten other things. I can't setup a simple dsl static connection with 5 ips. |
| 19:10.44 | rabies | abrotman: and it runs on the xine library |
| 19:10.52 | abrotman | and totem can use gstreamer .. but you knew that already |
| 19:10.54 | rabies | Gnea: um... |
| 19:11.03 | rabies | abrotman: i know, but totem can also use xine |
| 19:11.11 | abrotman | no shit .. doesn't mean xine is in testing |
| 19:11.13 | jsizzle | curt: 5 ips? on one NIC? |
| 19:11.19 | rabies | abrotman: and gxine is in testing |
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| 19:11.23 | dw_ | Supaplex: d'oh. "The current amd64 port of debian is a pure 64bit port. This means you can't run binary only programs which are compiled for IA32 or applications which haven't been ported to AMD64 yet" |
| 19:11.26 | abrotman | rabies: so what? |
| 19:11.26 | rabies | abrotman: so is libxine1 |
| 19:11.31 | abrotman | !+info xine testing |
| 19:11.32 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 19:11.34 | curt | jsizzle, yes. actually I can't get one working without dhcp... |
| 19:11.36 | dpkg | Package 'xine' does not exist. |
| 19:11.38 | rabies | abrotman: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=xine&searchon=names&subword=1&version=testing&release=all |
| 19:11.41 | abrotman | WIN ME! |
| 19:11.42 | Supaplex | dw_: ahhh. good find. sorry it didn't work out. :-/ |
| 19:11.45 | Gnea | !+info xine-ui testing |
| 19:11.46 | dpkg | Package 'xine-ui' does not exist. |
| 19:11.47 | dw_ | Supaplex: that's a shame; SuSE has it working perfectly (if only their package management system was as good :) ). |
| 19:11.47 | rabies | abrotman: its called libxine1 now |
| 19:11.52 | abrotman | rabies: it's NOT there |
| 19:11.53 | rabies | !+info libxine1 testing |
| 19:11.54 | phogg | !win abrotman |
| 19:11.54 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 19:11.54 | abrotman | libxine is not xine |
| 19:11.57 | dpkg | libxine1: (the xine video/media player library, binary files), section libs, is optional. Version: 1.0.1-1.6 (etch), Packaged size: 4330 kB, Installed size: 10141 kB |
| 19:12.16 | jsizzle | curt: so you want your 1 network card to have 5 virtual ip addresses it will respond to? why may I ask do you want to do such a thing? |
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| 19:12.25 | debian-newbie | can totem play avi?? |
| 19:12.26 | rabies | debian-newbie: apt-get install gxine or apt-get install totem |
| 19:12.29 | rabies | debian-newbie: yes |
| 19:12.32 | Gnea | debian-newbie: yup |
| 19:12.38 | rabies | debian-newbie: well, install totem-xine |
| 19:12.39 | d03boy | When I run xmms and play a song, I can hear it, but its very fuzzy. |
| 19:12.42 | rabies | debian-newbie: apt-get install totem-xine |
| 19:12.45 | Supaplex | dw_: anything based on rpm is sure to be a dain brammaged package management system. :) |
| 19:12.48 | rabies | d03boy: make sure you are doing alsa output |
| 19:12.54 | rabies | d03boy: and check the mixer settings in alsamixer |
| 19:12.55 | debian-newbie | Totem always crashed when I start it ;( |
| 19:12.55 | Supaplex | dw_: personal experience hehe |
| 19:12.59 | curt | jsizzle, I want to set up two dns servers and one virtual name on the rest. |
| 19:13.00 | rabies | debian-newbie: apt-get install gxine |
| 19:13.03 | phogg | debian-newbie: totem is a front-end. It can play what its back end can play. Back ends include vlc, xine, mplayer and gstreamer. |
| 19:13.03 | d03boy | mixer settings look to be ok |
| 19:13.06 | rabies | debian-newbie: that one is sweet |
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| 19:13.10 | dw_ | Supaplex: is there anywhere that I can read about the advantages of .deb over .rpm? I'd like to learn more :) |
| 19:13.20 | debian-newbie | connect to d-bus daemon failed...? |
| 19:13.25 | abrotman | !tell dw_ about why debian |
| 19:13.31 | dw_ | Supaplex: all I know so far is that rpm lacks basic functionality of being unzipped standardly. |
| 19:13.34 | jsizzle | curt: can you get it to work manually? like with ifconfig? |
| 19:13.39 | dw_ | abrotman: thanks, reading now. :) |
| 19:14.01 | dw_ | abrotman: any specific one of those? ;-) |
| 19:14.04 | rabies | d03boy: make sure that you dont have capture on and are listening to preamped input |
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| 19:14.06 | abrotman | rabies: so i guess the other port fixed it? |
| 19:14.07 | DJ-Marcuzz | does any of you have ruby1.8, FXruby 1.2 and FOX installed? and working? |
| 19:14.15 | rabies | abrotman: ? |
| 19:14.16 | d03boy | rabies, how do I do that? |
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| 19:14.20 | abrotman | your disconnect issue ? |
| 19:14.22 | curt | jsizzle, I have not really tried low level networking. I can;t seem to get it with ifupdown or ip |
| 19:14.24 | rabies | d03boy: when in alsamixer press either f3 or f2 |
| 19:14.24 | paase | moin |
| 19:14.30 | abrotman | or does it have to be idle? |
| 19:14.31 | rabies | abrotman: looks like it so far |
| 19:14.37 | rabies | abrotman: nope, doesnt have to be idle |
| 19:14.43 | abrotman | rabies: perhaps you should look for a firmware for your router? |
| 19:15.16 | pollywog | I think rabies already told us he does not have a router for that |
| 19:15.25 | abrotman | he has a netgear |
| 19:15.26 | jsizzle | curt: I usually start with ifconfig and go from there, if i can get it configured with ifconfig then I know I'm on the right track for ifupdown, because all your really doing in /network/interfaces is setting options to be passed to ifconfig |
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| 19:15.34 | debian-newbie | so if totem only is a frontend.. what else do I need to install ? I thought synaptic chooses the right packages to play dvd etc.? |
| 19:15.35 | abrotman | erm .. linksys |
| 19:15.46 | paase | darf man hier auch deutsch sprechen?? or only english? |
| 19:15.52 | rabies | abrotman: ill have to hunt down an upgrade or something later |
| 19:15.58 | rabies | abrotman: probably just a "security" feature |
| 19:16.00 | pollywog | one of my linksys is a brick |
| 19:16.01 | nvz | paase: in #debian.de only english here |
| 19:16.08 | paase | hmm |
| 19:16.16 | nvz | !de |
| 19:16.17 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 19:16.25 | Gnea | debian-newbie: the package itself knows what dependancies it needs - apt-cache show <packagename> |
| 19:16.27 | jsizzle | pollywog: I've seen some good instructions on dd-wrt.com on how to recover a linkbrick |
| 19:16.30 | abrotman | rabies: no .. it's because they're borked somehow |
| 19:16.38 | debian-newbie | whats the full server name of german debian? irc.debian.de? |
| 19:16.45 | thingfish | debian-newbie: to play dvds, you'll need libdvdcss2 (from marillat), and libdvdplay, libdvdnav |
| 19:16.45 | pollywog | but the brick is an older model |
| 19:16.47 | curt | jsizzle, i'm going to bounce out of here then so I don't part/join loop in here and give it a try. |
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| 19:16.52 | rabies | abrotman: possible |
| 19:17.02 | rabies | debian-newbie: just install gxine and use gxine |
| 19:17.05 | rabies | debian-newbie: you'll be happy |
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| 19:17.17 | pollywog | that is why I upgraded so I could use the 3rd party firmware |
| 19:17.37 | Gnea | or just stop using testing |
| 19:17.54 | jsizzle | curt: other than that look on google.com/linux for someone else doing something similar or maybe someone has there interfaces file online, i dunno just google away if you have probs is all I could say, I doubt anyone in here is doing as complex of an ip config that your trying to do |
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| 19:18.00 | debian-newbie | I use xfce4 , just for info |
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| 19:18.06 | pollywog | Gnea: yeah if I can't fix this kernel compile problem I will have to go back to Sarge |
| 19:18.13 | debian-newbie | xfce4 is gtk2 isnt it? |
| 19:18.24 | d03boy | rabies, I am playing with the vlume settings but can't get it to sound correct. any other ideas? |
| 19:18.26 | abrotman | see what it depends on |
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| 19:18.30 | abrotman | !depends xfce4 testing |
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| 19:18.36 | dpkg | xfce4: depends on xfwm4 (>= 4.2.3-1), xfwm4-themes (>= 4.2.3-1), xfce4-mcs-plugins (>= 4.2.3-1), xfce4-panel (>= 4.2.3-1), xfce4-icon-theme (>= 4.2.3-1), xfdesktop4 (>= 4.2.3-1), xffm4 (>= 4.2.3-1), xfce4-utils (>= 4.2.3-1), gtk2-engines-xfce, xfce4-session (>= 4.2.3-1) |
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| 19:18.46 | jsizzle | damn i hate when ppl leave when i'm typing such a long msg, all the wasted keystrokes :( |
| 19:18.47 | pollywog | under sarge I was able to compile kernels with or without initrd |
| 19:18.53 | dw_ | abrotman: none of those really say much about .deb in contract to rpm. The last link does mention that it's "impossible to codify" which would be a fair point I guess |
| 19:19.05 | nvz | !depends xfce4-panel testing |
| 19:19.09 | abrotman | dw_: anything in particular you want to know ? |
| 19:19.11 | dpkg | xfce4-panel: depends on libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.9.0), libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.8.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.6.0), libice6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.8.2), libsm6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libstartup-notification0 (>= 0.8-1), libx11-6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxfce4mcs-client-2, libxfce4mcs-manager-2, libxfce4util-1 (>= 4.2.0), libxfcegui4-3, libxml2 (>= 2.6.21), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), procps |
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| 19:19.20 | random_ | dw_: think .exe installers vs .msi installers on windows |
| 19:19.25 | Gnea | pollywog: who knows, maybe sid would be better |
| 19:19.25 | random_ | dw_: they are similar enough people dont care |
| 19:19.31 | random_ | abrotman: nope, that was a d/c |
| 19:19.33 | nvz | xfce4-panel: depends on ... libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.6.0) ... |
| 19:19.34 | jsizzle | I thought you just needed initrd for low level SCSI drivers that you needed to load before actual boot, or am I misled |
| 19:19.38 | dw_ | abrotman: yup; fundamental differences/advantages to .deb over rpm, really. Interested in learning :) |
| 19:19.52 | dw_ | random_: oh |
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| 19:20.14 | debian-newbie | I okai, thanks very much.. and what do I need to watch mpg, avi, divx? also in synaptic? |
| 19:20.19 | dw_ | (..it helps in the old debate against "the others") |
| 19:20.25 | debian-newbie | I know install gxine also ! ;) |
| 19:20.29 | rabies | debian-newbie: yes! :) |
| 19:20.38 | rabies | debian-newbie: and you need the w32codecs package from marillat |
| 19:20.42 | nvz | debian-newbie: w32codecs package from marillat |
| 19:20.46 | rabies | dw_: they both work, they both have source and binary packages, and they both have a 3 letter suffix |
| 19:20.55 | dw_ | =) |
| 19:20.59 | rabies | :) |
| 19:21.08 | rabies | dw_: no advantages or disadvantages really |
| 19:21.14 | Coweater | the w32codecs package is likely to be useless on a sparc isn't it? |
| 19:21.19 | rabies | prolly the one advantage for rpm is that the source packages are easier to move |
| 19:21.19 | dw_ | interesting, ok. |
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| 19:21.29 | rabies | Coweater: prolly |
| 19:21.34 | dw_ | rabies: how come? |
| 19:21.36 | abrotman | dw_: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=dpkg+vs+rpm&btnG=Google+Search |
| 19:21.36 | rabies | Coweater: never know |
| 19:21.41 | Gnea | Coweater: why would it? |
| 19:21.43 | rabies | dw_: one file vs 3 |
| 19:21.51 | dw_ | ah yes |
| 19:22.02 | rabies | Gnea: cause w32 stands for 32-bit windows and windows only runs on x86 so they are x86 codecs |
| 19:22.12 | abrotman | dw_: remember .. apt is a front end for dpkg |
| 19:22.19 | dw_ | yes |
| 19:22.22 | rabies | abrotman: or rpm |
| 19:22.26 | rabies | its been ported |
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| 19:22.44 | abrotman | rabies: not in debian |
| 19:22.46 | rabies | Gnea: and there are 64-bit sparc processors too, so you have 2 variables and 2 possible areas for it not working |
| 19:22.47 | dw_ | I still find it a little odd calling it "just" a front-end. Seems that it does more than that. |
| 19:22.51 | rabies | abrotman: well debian doenst use rpm |
| 19:22.57 | Coweater | "Please note that most codecs only work on Intel x86 compatible PCs." from the mplayer readme |
| 19:22.58 | rabies | dw_: just a frontend |
| 19:22.58 | dw_ | (though I definitely admit that it started off as purely a front-end) |
| 19:22.59 | abrotman | it can via alien |
| 19:23.04 | Coweater | (about the binary codecs) |
| 19:23.05 | juhov | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:23.07 | abrotman | dw_: it is a bit more |
| 19:23.10 | rabies | abrotman: no, thats converting to deb, thats not using rpm |
| 19:23.16 | abrotman | that's using :) |
| 19:23.18 | rabies | lol |
| 19:23.23 | abrotman | and you can insetall RPMs on debian |
| 19:23.28 | rabies | lol |
| 19:23.31 | abrotman | directly .. but what a pain |
| 19:23.38 | rabies | abrotman: you crazy man ;) |
| 19:23.40 | Gnea | rabies: that's an extremely vague and shallow assumption to make. i say prove it. |
| 19:23.47 | abrotman | i never claimed to be sane |
| 19:23.50 | rabies | Gnea: um...no? |
| 19:23.52 | nvz | debian-newbie: has codecs for ATI VCR-2 video, Cinepak video, Indeo Video 3.2/4.1/5.0/4.1 quick/5.0 quick, Intel 263 video, Microsoft MPEG-4 video, Morgan Multimedia Motion JPEG video, DivX 3.11 & 4.x, Windows Media 9, Real Networks (RealAudio, RealVideo 8&9), and Quicktime |
| 19:23.55 | rabies | abrotman: heh |
| 19:23.59 | Gnea | rabies: then shut your hole. |
| 19:24.04 | rabies | Gnea: didnt you ignore me last night/ |
| 19:24.05 | abrotman | no poo for you! |
| 19:24.07 | dw_ | I guess it would take a huge effort for debian to manually make all 32bit binaries now specifically for users to be able to run 32bit apps on amd64s |
| 19:24.12 | Gnea | rabies: this is not last night. |
| 19:24.18 | rabies | dw_: amd64 is backwards compatible |
| 19:24.19 | dw_ | probably won't ever happen in the forseable future, eh? |
| 19:24.22 | rabies | Gnea: please ignore me again |
| 19:24.37 | dw_ | rabies: yes, but currently on debian you can't isntall 32bit binaries on amd64 |
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| 19:24.44 | rabies | dw_: sure can |
| 19:24.48 | rabies | dw_: just not on a pure64 system |
| 19:24.59 | rabies | cause, well its pure4 |
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| 19:24.59 | dw_ | you'd need a chroot or something |
| 19:25.00 | rabies | pure64 |
| 19:25.02 | Gnea | rabies: stop spreading bullshit and opinions as if they were facts and not telling me what to do - no, i refuse to ignore you. |
| 19:25.05 | abrotman | dw_: multiarch is not done yet |
| 19:25.10 | dw_ | yeah |
| 19:25.11 | nvz | debian-newbie: among others.. but those are the most popular ones that people are looking for |
| 19:25.13 | rabies | dw_: at the moment yeah...sadly =\ |
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| 19:25.24 | rabies | dw_: but its possible to have 2 userlands |
| 19:25.31 | vees | hi everybody |
| 19:25.38 | dw_ | bit of a hassle, but sure :P |
| 19:25.39 | rabies | vees: hello dr. nick! =D |
| 19:25.44 | phogg | vees: Hi Dr. Nick. |
| 19:25.45 | rabies | dw_: er, i mean in the future |
| 19:25.59 | nvz | o.O |
| 19:26.04 | pollywog | okay here is the error I am getting with initrd |
| 19:26.05 | debian-newbie | thanks! |
| 19:26.06 | rabies | :) |
| 19:26.19 | vees | dr nick? - what do you mean? (sorry - my first time here)? |
| 19:26.20 | rabies | debian-newbie: enjoy! |
| 19:26.24 | pollywog | it says I need yaird |
| 19:26.25 | rabies | debian-newbie: and gl with the codecs! |
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| 19:26.29 | rabies | vees: simpsons joke |
| 19:26.37 | Gnea | debian-newbie: it's okay, rabies is a newbie too. you can try to use the codecs on a 64bit system, most of them have some sort of 32bit compatibility layer |
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| 19:26.50 | rabies | Gnea: um...no |
| 19:26.56 | rabies | Gnea: they dont |
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| 19:26.59 | pollywog | and that if I do not have yaird or some other package I will break the system |
| 19:27.05 | Gnea | rabies: again, prove it. |
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| 19:27.07 | vees | rabies: I do not have a TV or watch the Simpons :-P |
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| 19:27.13 | rabies | vees: you should, great show |
| 19:27.20 | nvz | yeah right |
| 19:27.24 | rabies | vees: i d/l eps off the i-net =D |
| 19:27.28 | pollywog | what is yaird and why did I not need it before? |
| 19:27.34 | vees | rabies: sorry - I cannot stand TV, its an allergy of mine |
| 19:27.35 | yggdrasil_ | is there any way for me to have my mouse in the upper left cornoer or my screen when i start x ? |
| 19:27.36 | rabies | vees: heh |
| 19:27.41 | rabies | vees: to each their own |
| 19:27.45 | rabies | vees: prolly healthier |
| 19:27.45 | nvz | vees: I know how you feel |
| 19:27.52 | vees | yup |
| 19:27.55 | nvz | simpsons would make you break out |
| 19:28.02 | phogg | vees: Every time Dr. Nick comes on screen he says "Hi everybody!" and all present chorus a reply: "Hi Dr. Nick!" You'd have to have been ther,e I guess. |
| 19:28.08 | nvz | its not even a good show |
| 19:28.09 | rabies | debian-newbie: well feel free to do w/e works for ya! and i hope you get it working |
| 19:28.14 | gartt | yggdrasil_: Probably, but it's probably a real pain to do |
| 19:28.18 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 19:28.18 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 19:28.20 | vees | what kind of discussions take place here - serious Debian or not? |
| 19:28.20 | rabies | debian-newbie: if they do work mind letting me know? |
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| 19:28.23 | Gnea | rabies: i have a 64bit system, it has a 32bit compatibility layer. i don't watch media files on it, so i can't test it. the only way to know for sure is to try. if you're going to say "um..no" then back it up with a url proving it, otherwise, shut your hole. |
| 19:28.37 | rabies | Gnea: please, relax |
| 19:28.47 | rabies | Gnea: theres no reason to be so angry on such a beautiful day |
| 19:28.52 | yggdrasil_ | well i mhave my hometheater pc and the mouse always sits right of the screen... while im watchign certain kinds of vid |
| 19:28.53 | Gnea | rabies: who's angry? |
| 19:28.54 | nvz | vees: generally users come and ask debian questions and/or answer them |
| 19:28.56 | abrotman | it's fucking cold here! |
| 19:28.57 | Gnea | hahaah |
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| 19:28.58 | rabies | Gnea: good! :) |
| 19:29.03 | rabies | abrotman: heh, a temperate 70 her |
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| 19:29.08 | rabies | abrotman: sooo niuce |
| 19:29.08 | Gnea | rabies: you don't read very well :) |
| 19:29.15 | abrotman | bastards! |
| 19:29.16 | rabies | Gnea: mm |
| 19:29.19 | vees | ok. you guys are all Sarge installers, or do you use others such as Kanotix or DSL? |
| 19:29.22 | rabies | abrotman: i know, damn weather engineer |
| 19:29.34 | Gnea | vees: sarge, of course |
| 19:29.38 | abrotman | vees: why would you use anything else? |
| 19:29.49 | nvz | vees: Kantoix and DSL are _NOT_ debian, people here may user any version of debian the like. |
| 19:29.58 | vees | Sarge is very good, I agree, but Kanotix do a great job also |
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| 19:30.11 | rabies | i know, abrotman is such a gentoo ricer |
| 19:30.11 | vees | nvz: what is your bone with Kanotix? Its Debian-Sid |
| 19:30.17 | yggdrasil_ | is there any way for me to have my mouse in the upper left cornoer or my screen when i start x ? |
| 19:30.19 | rabies | !unstable |
| 19:30.20 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use unstable, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid. see sid faq. |
| 19:30.22 | nvz | vees: its no debian and you are now trolling |
| 19:30.23 | loggygreg | rabies: how to remove wizard in gxine ? |
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| 19:30.28 | Supaplex | debian is the only debian certified distro for #debian :) |
| 19:30.30 | nvz | vees: s/no/not/ |
| 19:30.30 | rabies | loggygreg: wizard? |
| 19:30.31 | abrotman | rabies: huh? |
| 19:30.34 | KomiaPoika | hi |
| 19:30.38 | rabies | abrotman: ;P |
| 19:30.44 | loggygreg | rabies: yes the wizard at startup |
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| 19:30.46 | phogg | vees: Debian-Based != Debian. Sid is for *experts only*. |
| 19:30.50 | rabies | loggygreg: i think thats one time |
| 19:30.52 | KomiaPoika | i have replaced the moboard of a machine with debian, but grub seems lost ... how do i reinstall grub without deleting the hard drive? |
| 19:30.57 | vees | nvz: trolling for asking why Kanotix is not Debian-Sid?! You gotta be kidding... |
| 19:31.05 | loggygreg | rabies: no every time |
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| 19:31.16 | rabies | loggygreg: well i havent used it for a while, might of changed |
| 19:31.17 | KomiaPoika | when i try from netinstall cd, it offers to rewrite partitions when i select install grub or lilo ... |
| 19:31.26 | rabies | loggygreg: honestly i wouldnt know |
| 19:31.34 | cheal | KomiaPoika: grub is installed on hard disks, not mobos |
| 19:31.35 | d03boy | i'm out of ideas for this fuzzy sound problem |
| 19:31.36 | loggygreg | rabies: ok thanks anyway |
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| 19:31.53 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 19:31.53 | dpkg | < FieldySnuts> someone who realizes this may get them severely larted do this: -!- sgeigerbot [n=user@h216-170-007-123.adsl.navix.net] has joined #debian |
| 19:31.55 | KomiaPoika | cheal: yes, but it can't find grub anymore ... |
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| 19:32.02 | nvz | vees: you didnt. I told you that Kantoix and DSL are not debian, and you asked what my bone was with Kanotix and that its debian, and I said its not. |
| 19:32.07 | Supaplex | !debian ripoff |
| 19:32.15 | KomiaPoika | cheal: it's like there is no hard disk, but install cd sees the partition |
| 19:32.20 | wols | !not debian |
| 19:32.20 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 19:32.23 | tarzeau | nvz: it's weekend |
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| 19:32.46 | nvz | vees: this is #debian we use debian. I've never seen or heard of kanotix, I dont want to see or hear of it.. I use the real thing. go away or start talking debian. |
| 19:33.02 | SlayerXP | so, who wants to try out my messagelabs-like mail filtering service? |
| 19:33.16 | SlayerXP | don't be shy |
| 19:33.19 | cheal | KomiaPoika: what do you mean exactly by "it can't find grub"? |
| 19:33.27 | KomiaPoika | i have replaced the moboard of a machine with debian, but grub seems lost ... can't boot the hard drive anymore but install cd sees the old partitions when i boot from cd. how do i reinstall grub without deleting the hard drive? |
| 19:33.28 | phogg | SlayerXP: will it help me with the ladies? |
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| 19:33.32 | Gnea | rabies: might *have*, get your english right too |
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| 19:33.37 | tarzeau | phogg: hahaha |
| 19:33.41 | nvz | tarzeau: its permasunda |
| 19:33.43 | nvz | y |
| 19:33.43 | tarzeau | phogg: you spoke out my heart |
| 19:33.51 | wols | KomiaPoika: easily with "grub-install" or make a grub bootfloppy |
| 19:33.51 | SlayerXP | phogg: if anything it'll worsen your chances. it'll hide the ones who want your credit card details. |
| 19:33.52 | tarzeau | phogg: exactly the same thing what i wanted to ask |
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| 19:33.55 | wols | it won't delete anything |
| 19:34.03 | KomiaPoika | cheal: when i boot on hard drive, it asks for a bootable device; when i boot from install cd, it offers me to rewrite partitions, i see old partitions on the hard drive |
| 19:34.05 | vees | dpkg: I was not asking for any help, you noticed? but when I hear "sid is for experts" and 'never heard of Kanotix" I can make only one conclusion: you are a buntch of frustrated and insecure wannabes and I am not very interested in anything you might have to say. Bye. |
| 19:34.05 | dpkg | vees: I think you lost me on that one |
| 19:34.23 | KomiaPoika | wols: i hit "grub-install" in cd boot parameter ? |
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| 19:34.27 | phogg | vees: dpkg is a bot... |
| 19:34.29 | thingfish | vees: dpkg is a bot. |
| 19:34.32 | cheal | KomiaPoika: so why don't you boot from the hard drive instead? |
| 19:34.41 | Gnea | vees: please do not abuse the bot. |
| 19:34.50 | KomiaPoika | cheal: when i try, it says insert a bootable device |
| 19:34.53 | tarzeau | !gender |
| 19:34.53 | dpkg | I'm lesbian |
| 19:34.58 | nvz | vees: we are debian users. we come here because we want to support debian or because we need support. not to debate why some idiots knock off is or isnt better |
| 19:34.59 | tarzeau | it's a lesbian bot |
| 19:35.01 | wols | KomiaPoika: man grub-install for parameters |
| 19:35.18 | Gnea | lol |
| 19:35.26 | phogg | tarzeau: I object. Lesbian isn't a gender. |
| 19:35.28 | Gnea | !sunday |
| 19:35.29 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 19:35.29 | wols | dpkg: will you marry me? (if you have a hot lesbian girlfriend only of course) |
| 19:35.30 | KomiaPoika | lol@idiot taking a bite off dpkg |
| 19:35.47 | SlayerXP | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:35.51 | SlayerXP | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:35.54 | tarzeau | heh |
| 19:35.55 | SlayerXP | damn missed. |
| 19:36.01 | debian-newbie | well I can find libdvdplay0 and libdvdnav, but there is no libdvdcss2 on my sparc.. |
| 19:36.09 | tarzeau | debian-newbie: please |
| 19:36.14 | tarzeau | debian-newbie: it's a non-ultra sparc? |
| 19:36.18 | Gnea | !sparc |
| 19:36.18 | dpkg | methinks sparc is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html or Type make vmlinux (not kernel or bzImage or lilo or anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc |
| 19:36.31 | rabies | Gnea: please /msg the bots |
| 19:36.39 | Gnea | rabies: please stop trolling |
| 19:36.42 | tarzeau | rabies: it was for debian-newbie |
| 19:36.43 | Gnea | !troll rabies |
| 19:36.43 | rabies | debian-newbie: marillat has most of them from what i see |
| 19:36.46 | KomiaPoika | wols: i can't read the grub manpage, since i can't boot the system |
| 19:36.51 | yggdrasil_ | is there any way for me to have my mouse in the upper left cornoer or my screen when i start x ? |
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| 19:36.58 | rabies | tarzeau: im sure he knows what sparc is if hes running one |
| 19:37.03 | wols | KomiaPoika: you're on the intarweb. and you can't read grub docs? |
| 19:37.06 | tarzeau | KomiaPoika: does grub shell appear? |
| 19:37.09 | rabies | debian-newbie: i just dont know about non-x86 arches |
| 19:37.16 | tarzeau | rabies: but what sparc? 32 or 64bit? |
| 19:37.22 | debian-newbie | 64bit |
| 19:37.30 | Gnea | !noob |
| 19:37.30 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 19:37.31 | debian-newbie | ultrasparc IIe 500mhz |
| 19:37.37 | KomiaPoika | tarzeau: how can i make grub shell appear? |
| 19:37.40 | rabies | debian-newbie: most likely the majority of the a/v packages wont run |
| 19:37.43 | cheal | KomiaPoika: hum, I don't see why you would get such a message? |
| 19:37.47 | tarzeau | KomiaPoika: does the menu appear? |
| 19:37.47 | rabies | debian-newbie: they are designed for x86_32 |
| 19:37.53 | debian-newbie | okai.. |
| 19:37.56 | wols | KomiaPoika: if grub is confused it will eapper on its own usually |
| 19:38.05 | wols | if it's too confiused for the shell to appear, better reinstall grub |
| 19:38.24 | SlayerXP | no, no. don't all beg me for details at once. |
| 19:38.25 | KomiaPoika | tarzeau: nothing appears at hard drive boot but install cd sees my old partition when i select install grub, but it offers to rewrite the partition tables first, which i don't want ebcause i want to restore the old system |
| 19:38.31 | rabies | Gnea: im serious, dont spam the channel with bots |
| 19:38.45 | tarzeau | KomiaPoika: i think the bottom of the menu has some text how you can go into the shell |
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| 19:38.52 | Gnea | rabies: and i'm serious, shut the fuck up and leave me the hell alone. |
| 19:38.54 | tarzeau | KomiaPoika: and there you can read files from the filesystems grub knows about |
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| 19:39.01 | yetistomps | hello |
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| 19:39.07 | tarzeau | KomiaPoika: so yes, you should be able to read the grub manual page from grub |
| 19:39.12 | rabies | Gnea: please stop trolling |
| 19:39.16 | tarzeau | KomiaPoika: it'll just not be perfectly formatted |
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| 19:39.21 | tiCo89 | tarzeau: 'llo :-D |
| 19:39.26 | jml6 | STFU everyone |
| 19:39.33 | tarzeau | tiCo89: yo! |
| 19:39.34 | abrotman | rabies: stop being a dick .. leave gnea alone |
| 19:39.36 | rabies | lol |
| 19:39.42 | tarzeau | abrotman: heh :) |
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| 19:39.44 | rabies | abrotman: ? |
| 19:39.46 | rabies | lol... |
| 19:39.50 | tarzeau | !LOL |
| 19:39.50 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 19:39.51 | abrotman | idiot |
| 19:39.54 | KomiaPoika | tarzeau: so i open a shell from install cd and what do i do to reinstall grub? |
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| 19:40.06 | Gnea | !ops rabies keeps on trolling, is abusive and is offtopic most of the time |
| 19:40.06 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: rabies keeps on trolling, is abusive and is offtopic most of the time |
| 19:40.08 | tarzeau | KomiaPoika: how did you break it again? |
| 19:40.18 | yetistomps | I am about to install debian for the first time... but I was wondering if the three branches: stable, woody and sid contains KDE 3.4? |
| 19:40.20 | tarzeau | Gnea: know /ignore ? |
| 19:40.31 | rabies | Gnea: seriously dude, just /ignore me |
| 19:40.31 | tarzeau | yetistomps: check packages.debian.org |
| 19:40.33 | Gnea | tarzeau: and give in to his demands? |
| 19:40.33 | strider | wow, deja vu |
| 19:40.33 | cheal | yetistomps: they don't |
| 19:40.36 | abrotman | hehe .. i could go drive over and beat rabies for you :) |
| 19:40.41 | rabies | yetistomps: etch does, im not sure about sarge |
| 19:40.43 | rabies | abrotman: lol, long drive ;) |
| 19:40.43 | KomiaPoika | tarzeau: i had to replace the motherboard, and i was trying to boot the hard drive but it doesn't see it at boot |
| 19:40.44 | tarzeau | Gnea: oh , now i wouldn't |
| 19:40.45 | Gnea | rabies: ignore me first and i will |
| 19:40.58 | yetistomps | rabies: etch? = |
| 19:40.59 | d03boy | anyone have inspiron 8600 running testing? |
| 19:41.01 | tiCo89 | tarzeau: how are you? |
| 19:41.02 | rabies | yetistomps: testing |
| 19:41.02 | tarzeau | KomiaPoika: ide disk? ata? scsi? jumpered right? power is in? datacable is in? |
| 19:41.06 | coder_5 | hi! |
| 19:41.07 | abrotman | rabies: oh .. wrong cplug |
| 19:41.11 | cheal | rabies: etch doesn't |
| 19:41.14 | rabies | abrotman: hmm? |
| 19:41.14 | coder_5 | how to install gentoo 3.1r1a with DMA for all disks off? >linux ide=nodma does not works. |
| 19:41.16 | rabies | abrotman: cal poly |
| 19:41.22 | coder_5 | how to install debian 3.1r1a with DMA for all disks off? >linux ide=nodma does not works. |
| 19:41.23 | rabies | cheal: you sure? |
| 19:41.23 | abrotman | rabies: not central PA :) |
| 19:41.24 | yetistomps | rabies, so it's stable, testing and sid? |
| 19:41.26 | tarzeau | tiCo89: very good. and yourself? |
| 19:41.26 | yggdrasil_ | is there any way for me to have my mouse in the upper left cornoer or my screen when i start x ? |
| 19:41.27 | jml6 | coder_5: this is #debian |
| 19:41.27 | rabies | abrotman: sadly no |
| 19:41.30 | rabies | yetistomps: yup |
| 19:41.35 | abrotman | sadly nothing .. |
| 19:41.37 | KomiaPoika | tarzeau: ide hd in udma5 mode jumpered right with its original cable and power on since install cd sees the old partitions |
| 19:41.40 | cheal | yetistomps: rabies is not right, etch only has part of KDE 3.4 |
| 19:41.41 | rabies | abrotman: well i take that back, we have better weather here =D |
| 19:41.44 | jml6 | coder_5: try #gentoo |
| 19:41.48 | cheal | rabies: yes |
| 19:41.49 | tiCo89 | tarzeau: ehm, yes, searching a sponsor :-S |
| 19:41.53 | WireDDD | yetistomps, kde in testing is 3.5.1 |
| 19:41.59 | nvz | jml6: he just might be a troll you know |
| 19:41.59 | tarzeau | tiCo89: for which software? tried #debian-mentors yet? |
| 19:42.02 | Gnea | tarzeau: hmmm good point, i shouldn't waste my time with unaffiliated shitheads. |
| 19:42.04 | coder_5 | jml6, this is about debian. ... |
| 19:42.07 | abrotman | yetistomps: woody is not called stable anymore . it is now oldstable |
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| 19:42.10 | rabies | Gnea: exactly! |
| 19:42.14 | tarzeau | tiCo89: also a good starting point: users of that software, or fans of that kind of software... |
| 19:42.17 | tiCo89 | tarzeau: yudit |
| 19:42.26 | tarzeau | tiCo89: bah |
| 19:42.26 | coder_5 | jml6, how to install debian 3.1r1a with DMA for all disks off? >linux ide=nodma does not works. |
| 19:42.26 | gnufan | coder_5: how exactly not working? |
| 19:42.30 | KomiaPoika | stop flamewars i'm trying to solve a real problem here |
| 19:42.34 | Gnea | rabies: just... stop...talking...to...me |
| 19:42.38 | djs_2_6 | Hey all. How can I set up rarp/rarpd?? |
| 19:42.38 | yetistomps | WireDDD, ok.. so how can i tell debian when installing it for the first time to install the branch:testing? |
| 19:42.40 | tiCo89 | yes, my advocate seems not to be online :-( |
| 19:42.42 | rabies | Gnea: okay |
| 19:42.44 | wols | coder_5: why do you need it off? |
| 19:42.49 | jml6 | coder_5: how to install gentoo 3.1r1a with DMA for all disks off? >linux ide=nodma does not works. |
| 19:42.51 | tarzeau | Gnea: yeah. there's better ways to spend time |
| 19:42.58 | WireDDD | yetistomps, are you going to do a netinst? |
| 19:43.00 | coder_5 | the disks are reported to run as UDMA 66. (using dmesg) |
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| 19:43.06 | rabies | tarzeau: yes? |
| 19:43.07 | tarzeau | 20:39 [gnu] CTCP VERSION reply from rabies: xchat 2.6.1-1 Windows XP [Intel Pentium 4/2.54GHz] |
| 19:43.13 | Gnea | tarzeau: sorry, i hate trolls like that - it's okay for me to ignore but they can't? pffft |
| 19:43.15 | warreng | what package contains the md5 program? |
| 19:43.16 | rabies | tarzeau: did you want to kno for a reason? |
| 19:43.17 | tarzeau | rabies: yes what? can't i even use ctcp randomly? |
| 19:43.21 | rabies | tarzeau: no, you cant |
| 19:43.27 | rabies | tarzeau: thats bad manners |
| 19:43.27 | abrotman | !find bin/md5 |
| 19:43.30 | tarzeau | rabies: yes because i was curious. and yes of course i can |
| 19:43.36 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/md5' (6): (/usr/bin/md5) in admin/sleuthkit ;; (/usr/bin/md5test) in net/yardradius ;; (/usr/lib/tiger/bin/md5) in admin/tiger ;; (/usr/share/linpac/bin/md5pwd) in hamradio/linpac ;; (/usr/bin/{md5sum|md5sum.textutils}) in utils/coreutils ;; (/usr/lib/maxdb/devtools/bin/md5sum) in devel/maxdb-buildtools. |
| 19:43.37 | coder_5 | wols, because i get these nasty seek-error-complete stuff on good drives. |
| 19:43.37 | wols | rabies: that's BS |
| 19:43.40 | nvz | wols: he;s a former gentoo user and has to turn dma off to simulate debian installation taking as long as gentoo |
| 19:43.44 | tarzeau | rabies: there's no law forbidding bad manners |
| 19:43.50 | coder_5 | wols, (it's new drives and a very old board.) |
| 19:43.51 | wols | rabies: we're not on quakenet or something |
| 19:43.51 | tarzeau | rabies: bad women, love bad manners |
| 19:43.54 | rabies | oy vay |
| 19:43.55 | yetistomps | WireDDD, err.. I actually can download the ISO's but I am open to suggestions as to which will be the easiest thing to do. I do have broadband and my network card is compatible with Debian. |
| 19:44.01 | warreng | coreutils ? |
| 19:44.04 | abrotman | oh ffs .. this is retarded |
| 19:44.07 | tarzeau | Gnea: don't bother. |
| 19:44.24 | coder_5 | nvz, yeah, i'm a gentoo user, but on desktop only (i'm not completely crazy...) |
| 19:44.26 | valdyn | yetistomps: install stable, upgrade to testing if you want |
| 19:44.34 | warreng | ohh.. it's "md5sum" |
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| 19:44.45 | yetistomps | valdyn, stable does not have KDE 3.5 |
| 19:44.50 | tarzeau | tiCo89: what about its old maintainers? |
| 19:44.53 | warreng | er wait |
| 19:45.00 | rabies | SlayerXP: lol |
| 19:45.01 | pollywog | finally got the initrd to work and booted to the new kernel? |
| 19:45.01 | thingfish | yetistomps: backports.org has 3.5 for sarge. |
| 19:45.04 | yetistomps | how do most ppl installed Debian here? |
| 19:45.05 | valdyn | yetistomps: i dont see how that contradicts me ) |
| 19:45.10 | yggdrasil_ | ok how aobut this is there some cmd i can use that will move the mouse to a certain position ? |
| 19:45.11 | tarzeau | yetistomps: network boot/network install |
| 19:45.13 | abrotman | yetistomps: with the sarge installer |
| 19:45.16 | tarzeau | yetistomps: or cd boot/network install |
| 19:45.17 | pollywog | I just needed to install that yaird thing |
| 19:45.19 | abrotman | !d-i yetistomps |
| 19:45.19 | dpkg | yetistomps, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 19:45.22 | thingfish | yetistomps: however, on my machine at least, to install it requires removing gnome. |
| 19:45.23 | abrotman | !tell yetistomps about ig |
| 19:45.26 | nvz | coder_5: the kernel options should be the same on any linux.. and they would be documented in the kernel docs |
| 19:45.28 | yetistomps | wow.. |
| 19:45.30 | yetistomps | thanks ppl. |
| 19:45.35 | wols | yetistomps: most use sarge and upgrade later if they want something else. some, with very new hardware use a etch installer |
| 19:45.44 | pollywog | now I have no sound, so I assume I need to install alsa-source |
| 19:45.47 | WireDDD | yetistomps, I suggest the net install, it takes longer than if you install from the cds but it will only download what you need. when you are going through the installer, it will ask you to configure your apt sources and that is where you tell it you want to use testing(also called etch) |
| 19:45.56 | valdyn | !alsa one-liner |
| 19:45.56 | dpkg | it has been said that alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf, or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels |
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| 19:46.07 | tarzeau | does the etch installer have nv_sata? |
| 19:46.16 | nvz | coder_5: but as for the debian-installer you can look at the help ref sheet when you boot or read the install guide /msg dpkg ig |
| 19:46.16 | cycus_zwisus | how long (on average) does it take to compile gnome 2.14 using garnome? (athlon xp 2200. ram 256) |
| 19:46.23 | coder_5 | nvz, yeah, but then ide=nodma should work (same as it does on my gentoo desktop. hmm.. i'll check other obtions. ther is some crazy on idebus= ... or like that..) |
| 19:46.26 | SlayerXP | rabies: I hope you found my version information useful. |
| 19:46.29 | abrotman | cycus_zwisus: wrong channel ? |
| 19:46.31 | rabies | SlayerXP: very |
| 19:46.40 | d03boy | my xmms sound is fuzzy. I cant find another way to test the sound to make sure its not just xmms |
| 19:46.43 | yetistomps | WireDDD, okie dokie.. thanks |
| 19:46.57 | tarzeau | d03boy: try with opencubicplayer ? |
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| 19:47.06 | tarzeau | !nickometer d03boy |
| 19:47.07 | dpkg | 'd03boy' is 37.000% lame, tarzeau |
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| 19:47.18 | cycus_zwisus | debian users don't use gnome? |
| 19:47.25 | Patskumaster | ? |
| 19:47.25 | abrotman | cycus_zwisus: we don't compile it |
| 19:47.31 | tarzeau | cycus_zwisus: certainly not all of them |
| 19:47.33 | phogg | cycus_zwisus: debian users install gnome via apt |
| 19:47.44 | yggdrasil_ | ok how aobut this is there some cmd i can use that will move the mouse to a certain position ? |
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| 19:47.46 | wols | cycus_zwisus: we're lazy people. and proud of it |
| 19:47.50 | coder_5 | d03boy, try to set all volumes (mixer, pwm, everything active) to 80% at maximum.. |
| 19:47.57 | tarzeau | yggdrasil_: no |
| 19:48.01 | cycus_zwisus | is there gnome 2.14 available through apt? |
| 19:48.03 | tarzeau | yggdrasil_: which window manager? |
| 19:48.08 | abrotman | cycus_zwisus: for debian? |
| 19:48.09 | tarzeau | cycus_zwisus: packages.debian.org |
| 19:48.11 | pollywog | I want to install alsautils in testing but apt wants to remov ude and hal |
| 19:48.16 | yggdrasil_ | tarzeu fluxbox |
| 19:48.17 | tarzeau | pollywog: try with sid |
| 19:48.21 | Gnea | gartt: pssst, E17 |
| 19:48.23 | coder_5 | d03boy, if you set it near 100% the sound is distortet if 'clipping' is not activated. |
| 19:48.24 | tarzeau | yggdrasil_: ask in #fluxbox |
| 19:48.27 | yggdrasil_ | yar |
| 19:48.28 | yggdrasil_ | thahnks |
| 19:48.29 | abrotman | Gnea: garbage! |
| 19:48.34 | pollywog | tarzeau: tnx |
| 19:48.40 | Gnea | abrotman: bwahahaha! |
| 19:48.40 | jml6 | gnome 2.14 is supposed to haul ass |
| 19:48.46 | phogg | mmmm, e17... |
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| 19:48.54 | tarzeau | pollywog: but wait, this is my personal recommendation |
| 19:48.55 | warreng | i still can't find the md5 binary :( |
| 19:49.01 | Gnea | jml6: to the garbage dump? oh yeah |
| 19:49.06 | pollywog | k |
| 19:49.07 | tarzeau | pollywog: i was told, sid is very dangerous and i shouldn't recommend it to people in here |
| 19:49.12 | blondie | mew I am a pussy cat |
| 19:49.20 | tarzeau | blondie: photo? |
| 19:49.20 | pollywog | yeah I will use sid source if I have to |
| 19:49.27 | jml6 | Gnea, naw. i hear it runs quickly |
| 19:49.28 | blondie | umm |
| 19:49.28 | abrotman | blondie: i'm a bot! |
| 19:49.28 | tarzeau | pollywog: telnet linuks.mine.nu |
| 19:49.30 | d03boy | coder_5, well none of them are all the way up. |
| 19:49.32 | thingfish | blondie, put away the absinthe. |
| 19:49.38 | blondie | :\ |
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| 19:49.42 | blondie | you so mean ;'( |
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| 19:49.49 | thingfish | hehe |
| 19:49.51 | coder_5 | d03boy, then it' |
| 19:49.51 | djs_2_6 | Hey guys, are there any screenshots of debian? I am migrating from the bastard cousin that is ubuntu? |
| 19:49.52 | Gnea | jml6: i don't believe you! |
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| 19:49.58 | rabies | blondie: its the curse of the channel |
| 19:49.58 | coder_5 | d03boy, then it's some other problem... |
| 19:49.58 | Gnea | blondie: tuna is mean?! |
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| 19:50.06 | jml6 | Gnea, who cares |
| 19:50.06 | tarzeau | tuna stinks |
| 19:50.08 | d03boy | coder_5, ya.. no idea what another problem could be? |
| 19:50.10 | tarzeau | !tuna |
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| 19:50.15 | blondie | Gnea: yes i'm vegetarian |
| 19:50.19 | nvz | djs_2_6: what would the point of screenshots be? what do you want screenshots of? |
| 19:50.20 | Gnea | jml6: you do |
| 19:50.22 | cheal | djs_2_6: no, it's illegal to take screenshots of Debian! |
| 19:50.23 | vin` | djs_2_6: screen shots to compare the differences? |
| 19:50.27 | dotCOMmie | djs_2_6: use use a screenshot of kde/gnome? |
| 19:50.27 | tarzeau | blondie: cats eat mice and birds |
| 19:50.27 | Gnea | blondie: well shit, i didn't know that |
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| 19:50.29 | phogg | djs_2_6: screenshots? That presumes you installed X. |
| 19:50.32 | RU | hello |
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| 19:50.33 | jml6 | Gnea, no I really don't care (what you think) |
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| 19:50.46 | wols | phogg: you can make fine sshots of consoles! |
| 19:50.46 | blondie | tarzeau: not all! |
| 19:50.57 | djs_2_6 | I just wanted to se if it would be at all familiar, but it sounds like it would be with gnome... |
| 19:50.58 | RU | ./build: line 56: gmake: command not found |
| 19:50.59 | phogg | wols: I stand corrected. |
| 19:50.59 | tarzeau | blondie: don't tell me you've got a cat that eats salads |
| 19:50.59 | d03boy | I have a feeling my sound problems result from the drivers or something |
| 19:51.02 | djs_2_6 | Sorry for the dumb question |
| 19:51.02 | Gnea | jml6: i was being sarcastic :) i'm sure the new gnome runs faster than its predeseccors(sp?) |
| 19:51.04 | tarzeau | RU: it's make |
| 19:51.12 | tarzeau | RU: are you some freebsd person? |
| 19:51.16 | phogg | djs_2_6: GNOME is pretty much the same crap everywhere |
| 19:51.17 | abrotman | !b-e RU |
| 19:51.17 | dpkg | RU: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 19:51.17 | RU | tarzeau> no |
| 19:51.27 | tarzeau | RU: what software do you try to compile? |
| 19:51.28 | WireDDD | djs_2_6, debian is very flexable, you could install gnome or kde, or any other wm |
| 19:51.28 | Eulex | yggdrasil, shift-numlock, then move with the numpad |
| 19:51.29 | djs_2_6 | phogg - You saying that GNOME is crap? |
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| 19:51.31 | coder_5 | d03boy, if the volume is ok, and your amp too, it has to be a wrong driver or faulty hardware. (maybe check with knoppix or even windoze (duck)) |
| 19:51.40 | blondie | tarzeau: salads? ew |
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| 19:51.42 | tarzeau | WireDDD: just that kde and gnome are not window managers |
| 19:51.54 | tarzeau | blondie: or any other sort of vegetables (bah!) |
| 19:51.56 | d03boy | coder_5, poopy |
| 19:52.04 | phogg | djs_2_6: Yes. |
| 19:52.05 | pollywog | vegetables are good |
| 19:52.11 | vin` | tarzeau: tapioca |
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| 19:52.38 | d03boy | isnt there a magic command that will make sure I have the correct drivers installed and shizzle? |
| 19:52.39 | pollywog | I had an almost vegetarian car |
| 19:52.40 | djs_2_6 | phogg - What would you suggest then? |
| 19:52.41 | pollywog | cat |
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| 19:52.47 | tarzeau | vin`: what's that? |
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| 19:52.57 | WireDDD | tarzeau, excuse me desktop enviroment... |
| 19:53.01 | vin` | tarzeau: a vegetable. :P |
| 19:53.12 | coder_5 | d03boy, sure, just enter GOD mode :-] |
| 19:53.15 | RU | abrotman> tarzeau> done, but nothing happens. Should I setup symlink from make to gmake in such case? |
| 19:53.25 | tarzeau | RU: you can try |
| 19:53.26 | phogg | djs_2_6: Enlightenment. Fluxbox. XFce. wmii. IcwWM. KDE. In that order. |
| 19:53.34 | djs_2_6 | Does debian make a decent stable server on a Sun Ultrasparc Netra? |
| 19:53.44 | abrotman | RU: no |
| 19:53.44 | d03boy | its difficult to survive without my music so I dont really kno what to do :( |
| 19:53.45 | tarzeau | djs_2_6: if it works, yes |
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| 19:53.51 | abrotman | RU: did you install build-essential |
| 19:53.59 | RU | abrotman> yes |
| 19:53.59 | djs_2_6 | tarzeau - What do you mean by that? |
| 19:54.04 | abrotman | RU: show us `dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1` |
| 19:54.05 | millstone | i can't mount /dev/sdb1 (it is a the second disk attached to a sata_sil controller). i strace'd mount and reports "device or resource" busy. but sdb1 is not mounted. |
| 19:54.07 | tarzeau | djs_2_6: can you install it ? |
| 19:54.08 | d03boy | especially when my roommate has retarded basketballness on tv |
| 19:54.08 | pollywog | but why do sparc users use Debian rather than.... |
| 19:54.10 | RU | Setting up build-essential (11.2) ... |
| 19:54.10 | RU | root@hero:/home/rail/stg-2.4.8.6/projects/stargazer# ./build |
| 19:54.12 | Gnea | blondie: how about cheese, do you eat that? |
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| 19:54.16 | pollywog | Solaris or friends |
| 19:54.17 | blondie | Gnea: yes |
| 19:54.19 | tarzeau | pollywog: hahahaha |
| 19:54.23 | tarzeau | pollywog: please tell me you're not serious |
| 19:54.26 | RU | ./build: line 56: gmake: command not found |
| 19:54.28 | phogg | blondie: Eggs? |
| 19:54.30 | Gnea | blondie: definately vegetarian then, not vegan. ok cool |
| 19:54.31 | pollywog | it's a question |
| 19:54.31 | warreng | anybody??? what package is the md5 binary in? i installed sleuth somethin and that didn't have it |
| 19:54.32 | djs_2_6 | tarzeau - Getting ready to try, but need to migrate my workstation to debian from ubuntu first. |
| 19:54.35 | tarzeau | pollywog: pretty please, this is not serious question |
| 19:54.40 | pollywog | yes it is |
| 19:54.49 | tarzeau | pollywog: cracks me up, i refuse to answer this |
| 19:54.53 | tarzeau | pollywog: try #sparc |
| 19:54.59 | pollywog | k |
| 19:55.06 | pollywog | I won't ask further |
| 19:55.09 | tarzeau | RU: update build file and replace gmake by make |
| 19:55.17 | tarzeau | pollywog: i run OPENSTEP on my non-ultra sparcs |
| 19:55.20 | Gnea | pollywog: because debian has always been open source, solaris only recently was opened up, and it's not even gpl'd |
| 19:55.26 | tarzeau | pollywog: SUN is evil! i hope they rot in hell |
| 19:55.27 | pollywog | oic |
| 19:55.34 | abrotman | RU: what does that command say? |
| 19:55.36 | tarzeau | pollywog: and netbsd or linux on ultrasparcs |
| 19:55.37 | pollywog | well that's an answer |
| 19:55.42 | blondie | phogg: not much :P |
| 19:55.48 | blondie | Gnea: my boyfriend is vegan :P |
| 19:55.50 | tarzeau | pollywog: there's openstep for solaris, but it sucks |
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| 19:55.51 | pollywog | so Solaris is not very good then |
| 19:55.54 | phogg | pollywog: because in a mixed environment it's nice for all of your boxes to run the same OS |
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| 19:56.00 | tarzeau | pollywog: it depends what software you must run |
| 19:56.02 | pollywog | I am vegan |
| 19:56.04 | RU | root@hero:/home/rail/stg-2.4.8.6/projects/stargazer# gmake |
| 19:56.04 | RU | -bash: gmake: command not found |
| 19:56.04 | RU | root@hero:/home/rail/stg-2.4.8.6/projects/stargazer# make |
| 19:56.04 | RU | deps:1: *** missing separator. Stop. |
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| 19:56.06 | tarzeau | pollywog: some software only runs with solaris. |
| 19:56.12 | pollywog | oic |
| 19:56.16 | tarzeau | pollywog: but package management on solaris is teh suck |
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| 19:56.22 | abrotman | RU: show us `dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1` |
| 19:56.28 | pollywog | I was not trolling, I did not know these things :) |
| 19:56.31 | tarzeau | pollywog: and a linux person will have quite a lot to learn to get used to solaris |
| 19:56.43 | lefty | NICK Shatten |
| 19:56.43 | tarzeau | pollywog: yeah, and i was nice enough to tell you |
| 19:56.45 | pollywog | ty |
| 19:56.47 | RU | ii libc6 2.3.6-1 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data |
| 19:56.55 | RU | abrotman> ii libc6 2.3.6-1 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data |
| 19:56.58 | d03boy | how do I fix my sound problem.. lala |
| 19:57.05 | blondie | d03boy: ear drops? |
| 19:57.11 | thingfish | tsk hehe |
| 19:57.16 | pollywog | I am fixing mine with module-assistant |
| 19:57.28 | abrotman | RU: are you running ubuntu ? |
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| 19:57.41 | RU | abrotman> no |
| 19:57.42 | djs_2_6 | I apologize for asking such simple questions, but will debian with enlightenment have most basic stuff, like a text editor, media player, clock, etc? |
| 19:57.42 | abrotman | either that or your sid is out of date |
| 19:57.50 | streuner | d03boy: what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
| 19:57.53 | abrotman | ask Gnea |
| 19:57.54 | RU | abrotman> there is Debian since 1999 |
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| 19:57.59 | RU | or sice 2000 |
| 19:58.04 | blondie | RU: what? |
| 19:58.08 | abrotman | and you suddently have no make ? |
| 19:58.09 | yggdrasil_ | how can i do a find in vim ? |
| 19:58.12 | d03boy | Linux version 2.6.15-1-686 (Debian 2.6.15-8) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.0.3 20060212 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.2-9)) #2 Mon Mar 6 15:27:08 UTC 2006 |
| 19:58.13 | abrotman | after 6 years ? |
| 19:58.14 | blondie | yggdrasil_: / |
| 19:58.17 | yggdrasil_ | thnks |
| 19:58.18 | wols | djs_2_6: yes it does. it has about 10000 different editors. 20 media players and more clocks than atoms in the universe |
| 19:58.20 | blondie | /find me |
| 19:58.21 | RU | blondie> sorry, for my English |
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| 19:58.35 | RU | abrotman> I haven't gmake |
| 19:58.36 | streuner | d03boy: and what's the problem? |
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| 19:58.43 | djs_2_6 | wols - Thank you. Is there any easy way to move from ubuntu to debian, or do I have to reformat? |
| 19:58.47 | wols | yggdrasil_: same as in less: /<what to search for> |
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| 19:58.51 | yggdrasil_ | thanks |
| 19:58.52 | tarzeau | djs_2_6: you won't find any software distribution larger than debian |
| 19:58.54 | d03boy | streuner, my sound from xmms is "fuzzy"... seems like it si clipping but my volume settings seem to be ok |
| 19:58.56 | wols | djs_2_6: no easy way, sorry |
| 19:58.58 | dw_ | djs_2_6: reformat to do it properly. |
| 19:59.09 | Kyral | djs_2_6: reformat...believe me I've tried the Breezy -> Sid move |
| 19:59.14 | Kyral | It ain't fun :P |
| 19:59.14 | tarzeau | RU: since over 10 years! |
| 19:59.15 | Eulex | djs_2_6, if you've got home on a seperate partition, you can keep it |
| 19:59.24 | streuner | d03boy: tried mpg321? |
| 19:59.29 | d03boy | strankan, not yet |
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| 19:59.40 | streuner | d03boy: what version of debian? |
| 19:59.43 | gnufan | pollywog: vegetarian car? What vegetable oil instead of fossil fuels? |
| 19:59.45 | RU | tarzeau> It's not my box |
| 19:59.47 | Eulex | d03boy, what sound card? what are your volume settings? |
| 19:59.50 | djs_2_6 | I just would like to keep my files and make the full move... |
| 20:00.01 | d03boy | streuner, debian testing |
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| 20:00.10 | Gnea | blondie: well good for him :) |
| 20:00.13 | WireDDD | djs_2_6, how is your system partitioned out? |
| 20:00.25 | d03boy | Eulex, Intel ICH4, chip=SigmaTel |
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| 20:00.47 | yggdrasil_ | dami jsut want to write something that move the mouse to the upper left corner. after everthing starts up |
| 20:00.52 | Eulex | d03boy, ok. and you haven't got master and pcm maxed out, right? that makes for nice artifacts with ich* |
| 20:00.53 | WireDDD | djs_2_6, if you are unsure... df -h |
| 20:00.53 | tarzeau | wols: apropos editors, do you know one that can edit files as in bugs.debian.org/338110 |
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| 20:01.10 | d03boy | Eulex, nothing is maxed |
| 20:01.18 | djs_2_6 | /dev/hdb1 144G 41G 96G 30% / |
| 20:01.19 | djs_2_6 | tmpfs 506M 0 506M 0% /dev/shm |
| 20:01.19 | djs_2_6 | tmpfs 506M 13M 494M 3% /lib/modules/2.6.12-10-686-smp/volatile |
| 20:01.34 | pollywog | I think there is something that moves the cursor to a certain place but I do not recall what it is called |
| 20:01.38 | streuner | Eulex: are you my echo? |
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| 20:02.16 | SonnyBurnett | is there a Sonny around here? |
| 20:02.17 | Eulex | streuner, I am? sorry, just came online |
| 20:02.28 | Eulex | SonnyBurnett, obviously |
| 20:02.39 | SonnyBurnett | this is my nick! |
| 20:02.46 | pollywog | who is SonnyBurnett, some character from tv? |
| 20:02.57 | djs_2_6 | Yep, Miami Vice |
| 20:02.59 | SonnyBurnett | not SonnyBurnett.... just Sonny |
| 20:03.02 | SonnyBurnett | Yeahhhhhhhhhh |
| 20:03.03 | pollywog | that is what I thought |
| 20:03.07 | wols | tarzeau: tried emacs? *g* |
| 20:03.07 | pollywog | wasn't sure |
| 20:03.13 | d03boy | ok, when I use mpg321 it is fuzzy |
| 20:03.16 | SonnyBurnett | This is the fake name.... int he missions |
| 20:03.22 | wols | I'M sure there's more than one editor that can open files bigger than current memory |
| 20:03.25 | tarzeau | wols: i think i tried yes. it barked about not enough memory and stuff |
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| 20:03.31 | d03boy | and I have to have the volume at about 80% to even hear the music |
| 20:03.34 | djs_2_6 | For my install, should I download the full cds or just the little boot image? |
| 20:03.35 | Eulex | SonnyBurnett, if you haven't registered your nick, you're SOL |
| 20:03.36 | tarzeau | wols: i couldn't find one for 11gb files |
| 20:03.38 | WireDDD | djs_2_6, your entire install is on one partition, what you should do is backup everything in your home directory and everything else you want to keep. After you format you can copy it back over. |
| 20:03.43 | pollywog | SonnyBurnett: are you watching Miami Vice reruns? |
| 20:03.44 | tarzeau | wols: so i'm open to suggestions |
| 20:03.45 | streuner | d03boy: what soundsystem are you using? |
| 20:03.51 | d03boy | strankan, alsa? |
| 20:04.08 | WireDDD | djs_2_6, I would go with the net install cd |
| 20:04.09 | tarzeau | wols: aside of lde... |
| 20:04.16 | tarzeau | which isn't very comfortable |
| 20:04.18 | d03boy | streuner, alsa |
| 20:04.25 | SonnyBurnett | pollywog, nop.. what channel? |
| 20:04.31 | wols | tried "fte"? or vi? |
| 20:04.33 | wols | vim? |
| 20:04.40 | djs_2_6 | WireDDD - Thank you. Hopefully I will be on Debian tonight... |
| 20:04.42 | pollywog | I thought perhaps it was running in Europe now |
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| 20:04.56 | pollywog | I don't know if it runs in US anymore |
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| 20:05.04 | WireDDD | djs_2_6, best of luck to you |
| 20:05.04 | djs_2_6 | Also, I know there is a stable version and some other version. Which should I go for? |
| 20:05.11 | yetistomps | !seen damfino |
| 20:05.11 | dpkg | yetistomps: i haven't seen 'damfino' |
| 20:05.17 | tarzeau | wols: i don't like vi(m). fte sounds familiar, thanks |
| 20:05.21 | WireDDD | djs_2_6, I would start out with stable |
| 20:05.26 | streuner | d03boy: get an emu10k1, runs perfect |
| 20:05.28 | SonnyBurnett | pollywog, worst for me 'cause I'm in South America.... but with Direct TV I can watch it |
| 20:05.31 | bleurgh | anyone on US pacific coast? |
| 20:05.33 | djs_2_6 | Cool. Thank you. Later all |
| 20:05.40 | pollywog | I am in Calif |
| 20:05.47 | tarzeau | bleurgh: this is not a dating channel |
| 20:05.48 | bleurgh | pollywog: what time is it there? |
| 20:05.58 | SonnyBurnett | 15:05 |
| 20:06.03 | pollywog | 12:06 |
| 20:06.09 | bleurgh | tarzeau: DST is confusing me, so checking here |
| 20:06.14 | d03boy | streuner, whats that? |
| 20:06.15 | bleurgh | ok, so -8 |
| 20:06.19 | bleurgh | thanks |
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| 20:06.22 | streuner | d03boy: sb live |
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| 20:06.35 | wols | tarzeau: just wait when I get a date with dpkg and her hot lesbian gf! |
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| 20:06.56 | Eulex | !gender |
| 20:06.57 | dpkg | I'm gay |
| 20:07.04 | yetistomps | lol |
| 20:07.06 | pollywog | as in happy? |
| 20:07.13 | wols | of course. lesbians ARE gay |
| 20:07.13 | Gnea | lol |
| 20:07.16 | gnufan | wols: actually dpkg is from Lesbos -- I think he misunderstood "gender". |
| 20:07.16 | tarzeau | wols: i can't wait to see her take you from behind |
| 20:07.28 | wols | :) |
| 20:07.32 | yetistomps | lmao |
| 20:07.32 | lefty | dpkg ur from Mitilini aka Lesbos???? |
| 20:07.35 | d03boy | wouldnt that require me to actually have an sb live? |
| 20:07.50 | streuner | sure :-) |
| 20:07.51 | Gnea | gnufan: dpkg just wants to 'fit in' ;) |
| 20:08.01 | streuner | emu10k1's are cheap |
| 20:08.06 | d03boy | i have a laptop |
| 20:08.07 | gnufan | wols: we had a lesbian in our LUG -- he can be found at crazygreek.co.uk |
| 20:08.30 | streuner | d03boy: so a fucking on-chip soundcard... |
| 20:08.31 | vin` | d03boy: it should work fine, no need for bargain hunting yet. ;) |
| 20:08.40 | SonnyBurnett | Hey Folks,,,,Sorry about the OT: I share my internet connection with a Router ADSL (with switch functions) Zyxel Prestige 660HW-61, but sometimes one of the clients use almost the whole bandwith when is downloading somthing, can I control the bandwith of each of my router's clients? |
| 20:08.47 | d03boy | vin`, i wasn tplanning on bargain hunting :) |
| 20:09.03 | tarzeau | SonnyBurnett: is the clients debian gnu/linux? |
| 20:09.07 | tarzeau | SonnyBurnett: try wondershaper |
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| 20:09.14 | vin` | streuner: fwiw, all the random on-board sound chips I've used, worked fine. |
| 20:09.16 | wols | SonnyBurnett: ask zyxel, not us.... |
| 20:09.29 | tarzeau | SonnyBurnett: or replace the zyxel with debian |
| 20:09.34 | SonnyBurnett | tarzeau, nop my clients are MAC and Winbug XP |
| 20:09.38 | evand_ | is there a way to get apt / dpkg to tell me what package installed / owns a file? |
| 20:09.40 | wols | zarchne: wondershaper won't work with several clients unless you can run wondershaper on the router |
| 20:09.46 | d03boy | anyone have an ICH4 with 2.6.15 kernel? |
| 20:09.48 | tarzeau | SonnyBurnett: then ask #mac and ##windows |
| 20:09.58 | tarzeau | evand_: yes |
| 20:10.00 | streuner | vin`: yeah, and those on-board chis I've used are not 50 percent good as a emu10k1 ;-) |
| 20:10.06 | tarzeau | d03boy: can you paste lspci lines? |
| 20:10.11 | evand_ | tarzeau: what is it? ;) |
| 20:10.12 | vin` | d03boy: what modules are you loading? |
| 20:10.12 | streuner | s/chis/chips/ |
| 20:10.14 | wols | SonnyBurnett: either make XP and OSX stop using that much bandwith or ask your router maker. best of all: replace the router with a debian box :) |
| 20:10.16 | SonnyBurnett | tarzeau: I mean... the thig is manage the router.. |
| 20:10.20 | tarzeau | wols: you can install wondershaper on the clients, no? |
| 20:10.20 | d03boy | tarzeau, sure |
| 20:10.35 | wols | tarzeau: of course you can. but it's pretty useless :) |
| 20:10.37 | tarzeau | evand_: dpkg -S |
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| 20:10.42 | evand_ | tarzeau : thanks :) |
| 20:10.49 | nvz | my friend has some old ISA Creative Labs EMU8k cards :P |
| 20:10.54 | gnufan | SonnyBurnett: is the router running Debian? |
| 20:10.54 | vin` | streuner: haven't tried any real cards, so wouldn't know, ear phones suffice. |
| 20:10.55 | SonnyBurnett | wols, I have another PC here... so I can use it...what exactly do you mean with it? |
| 20:11.00 | streuner | on-board soundcards are good to hear 'hasselhof'..., but not good music (TM) :-) |
| 20:11.04 | nvz | I dont know if those are even supported.. but those were high-end back in the day |
| 20:11.06 | tarzeau | nvz: i've got an 8bit isa adlib soundcard with built in volume control button |
| 20:11.09 | SonnyBurnett | gnufan: I dont know .. but maybe |
| 20:11.30 | evand_ | tarzeau : heh, now I see it in the man page... I just read past it twice :( |
| 20:11.32 | d03boy | http://pastebin.com/611201 |
| 20:11.45 | wols | SonnyBurnett: I mean all consumer routers (all of them), like your zyxel are pure shite. and a PC running linux as always better than them. always |
| 20:11.55 | d03boy | tarzeau, vin` , |
| 20:11.55 | d03boy | http://pastebin.com/611201 |
| 20:11.56 | streuner | vin`: damn, the difference is really big... |
| 20:11.58 | tarzeau | wols: and needs much more power, too |
| 20:11.58 | wols | and if you run debian on your router you can do traffic shaping |
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| 20:12.11 | tarzeau | and you can also run irssi in screen on the router |
| 20:12.16 | tarzeau | and play games on the router |
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| 20:12.30 | tarzeau | block shit from inside or outside |
| 20:12.38 | tarzeau | gnufan: can it run nethack? |
| 20:12.41 | wols | tarzeau: depends. a ARM based box with at least 64MB ram. It will run debian fine and is better than a consumer router. costs moret oo of course. but power usage is fine |
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| 20:12.54 | gnufan | tarzeau: no - I see that as a bonus ;) |
| 20:13.17 | SonnyBurnett | wols: I have a Linksys Router... that uses debian inside |
| 20:13.17 | tarzeau | gnufan: can it play music? |
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| 20:13.30 | tarzeau | wols: i want one with soundcard and speakers |
| 20:13.32 | wols | SonnyBurnett: how much ram does it have? |
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| 20:13.51 | Cyorxamp | Lo folks, I could use a hand choosing a PDA (running linux) could anyone offer any assistance? |
| 20:13.51 | dureyes | what is the command to view my current kernel? |
| 20:13.53 | streuner | @wb Maulkin |
| 20:13.54 | ravenbird | Welcome back Maulkin, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chaos. |
| 20:13.56 | tarzeau | dureyes: uname -a |
| 20:13.58 | d03boy | dureyes, uname -r |
| 20:14.03 | dureyes | thank you. |
| 20:14.04 | wols | Cyorxamp: zaurus line |
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| 20:14.24 | wols | my command for that is less /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.13 |
| 20:14.30 | Maulkin | Well, that was fun. First, syslog-ng decided to dos my box, then a power bar tripped in the colo centre |
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| 20:14.38 | streuner | d03boy: try OSS instead of ALSA |
| 20:14.49 | d03boy | streuner, how? |
| 20:14.54 | SonnyBurnett | wols: My another PC has 256mb (RIMM) |
| 20:14.55 | Cyorxamp | wols - other than that, I have one of those |
| 20:14.57 | vin` | d03boy: what does alsaconf end up with? |
| 20:15.02 | d03boy | vin`, end up? |
| 20:15.06 | Parnassus | Hi folks - I seem to be having problems with my network config. I have set up my inspiron 1150 with wireless network (using ndiswrapper) but I seem to be suffering very slow network access. I have a feeling its DNS related but would anyone be able to point me in the right direction? |
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| 20:15.16 | wols | Cyorxamp: ipaq flashed to linux then |
| 20:15.23 | Cyorxamp | which ones work? |
| 20:15.27 | streuner | d03boy: just disable ALSA and modprobe the OSS Module for your soundcard? |
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| 20:15.44 | d03boy | streuner, that probably sounds easy to you, huh? :P |
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| 20:15.58 | streuner | d03boy: run 'alsaconf' |
| 20:15.58 | novata | hi... |
| 20:16.08 | nvz | we got problems with slow wireless here, but thats cause some idiot pulled out my wired network and ran wireless even to the desktops that never move. |
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| 20:16.12 | streuner | d03boy: /msg dpkg driver locator |
| 20:16.21 | streuner | d03boy: to see which driver you need |
| 20:16.26 | novata | wana ask if 2.6.15-1 kernel has suport for ipw2200 for wpa wifi |
| 20:16.32 | nvz | I ran a new wired network for myself got an 8 port hub.. let them fight with wifi |
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| 20:16.43 | novata | or if is need to make and compile packages |
| 20:16.46 | streuner | !ipw2200 |
| 20:16.46 | dpkg | ipw2200 is a wireless driver for intel wireless cards, to install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200. you will need module-assistant, build-essential and kernel-headers-$(uname -r) packages installed, and you will need contrib sources, ask me about <contrib>. Download and install firmware as you are told during the install. http://ipw2200.sf.net, or for help go to #ipw2200, or ipw2200-source will only compile on a 2.6 kernel |
| 20:16.56 | Gnea | hrm |
| 20:16.57 | Cyorxamp | wols? |
| 20:17.04 | Gnea | wired here has been crap all week |
| 20:17.24 | nvz | there was absolutly no reason to tear up my wired network to those desktops and pay extra money to buy wireless cards for machines already working perfectly with ethernet just for them to run slower |
| 20:17.29 | Maulkin | novata: yes, it does |
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| 20:17.43 | Maulkin | ipw2200 is built in to kernels > 2.6.15 |
| 20:17.47 | nvz | wireless has no business on a stationary desktop tower with crt IMHO |
| 20:17.53 | DuncanF | Hey guys I'm having some trouble doing a network cd install of Debian, when I'm running through the installation it can't detect my CD drive to install drivers, I'm using a LG GSA-4163B, and looking around on the net have found that it does indeed work in Debian, and was wondering if you guys knew where I could find the drivers, or in absence of that how to get it to work |
| 20:17.55 | novata | so dpkg message |
| 20:17.55 | wols | Cyorxamp: don't own one. ask ipaqlinux.come or such |
| 20:17.59 | novata | so dpkg message?? |
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| 20:18.06 | oxo | Hi all - I would like to set up a small server with a very small http site and a equaly small ftp sever (<100MB). I don't expect to get much trafic, it is manly for myself an a few friend. Now: I have two machines available, a 800MHz PIII and a 266MHz PI (MMX), do you have any experiances if the smaller one would be sufficient?? It is supposed to run sarge and has 128MB of RAM. |
| 20:18.27 | Gnea | !wpa |
| 20:18.34 | streuner | oxo: that's ok |
| 20:18.35 | Gnea | hrm |
| 20:18.54 | wols | oxo: only possible problem with the smaller one is php |
| 20:19.00 | streuner | oxo: on of my server run with 64 MB - 500MB HD |
| 20:19.05 | novata | Maulkin, so, if i did support to kernel for ipw2200 what should i do? |
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| 20:19.18 | oxo | ok, I only want pure http, no scripts |
| 20:19.23 | wols | !tell novata about ndiswrapper |
| 20:19.25 | nonix4 | oxo: for resource-constrained setups, consider lighttpd as the web server |
| 20:19.30 | streuner | oxo: fine too :-) |
| 20:19.34 | wols | !tell novata about ipw2200 |
| 20:19.36 | d03boy | streuner, alsaconf doesnt make it clear how to disable alsa |
| 20:19.36 | oxo | Which webserver is recommended, apache? |
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| 20:19.45 | wols | yes apache or apache2 |
| 20:19.45 | Gnea | !tell novata about ipw2200 |
| 20:19.48 | pipeline | oxo: people also like thttpd |
| 20:19.55 | wols | for ftp, use vsftpd |
| 20:19.58 | pipeline | oxo: Apache 2.x is *the* web server nowadays. |
| 20:20.27 | novata | Gnea, so it needs to compile some packages... |
| 20:20.28 | tuv | when i create a file, its group is my primary group.. what if i want files on some mountpoint to have a different group? |
| 20:20.36 | gartt | I don't like ftp |
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| 20:20.41 | oxo | which one is the smallest, most compact, thttpd or apache? |
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| 20:20.49 | nvz | tuv: man mount |
| 20:20.53 | nvz | tuv: its called umask |
| 20:20.56 | Gnea | novata: is that what the websites are saying? |
| 20:21.01 | gartt | I wish scp/sftp could be done easily with no encryption to replace ftp |
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| 20:21.22 | oxo | stupid question: can I have an ftp server like vsftpd do sftp as well? |
| 20:21.26 | pipeline | gartt: That already exists: it's called rsh. |
| 20:21.26 | Gnea | gartt: the point would then be....? |
| 20:21.29 | gartt | Open/forward one port, set up a chroot jail and restricted shell, and you're done |
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| 20:21.33 | wols | oxo: no.use sshd instead |
| 20:21.35 | kyncani | tuv: or sgid |
| 20:21.38 | pollywog | I need to install alsa-utils on testing but it wants to remove hal and udev and I could not even install from unstable |
| 20:21.46 | tuv | nvz: isn't umask the permissions of new files? i want the new file to have a different group than mine |
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| 20:21.49 | DuncanF | so no idea on how to get my drive working for the installation? As it seems otherwise I can't proceed with installing debian, at least with the network method |
| 20:21.50 | gartt | Gnea: The point would be something better than ftp |
| 20:21.51 | pipeline | gartt: SFTP / SCP doesn't actually have a server. It's not a protocol unto itself. |
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| 20:21.58 | pollywog | I need it to get sound to work |
| 20:21.59 | pipeline | gartt: It just executes commands on the host via ssh :P |
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| 20:22.06 | gartt | pipeline: I know |
| 20:22.13 | Gnea | pipeline: sshd |
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| 20:22.18 | nvz | tuv: yeah, well whatever man mount anyhow.. he |
| 20:22.20 | nvz | h |
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| 20:22.39 | nvz | tuv: believe me the answer is in there.. it may not have anything to do with umask, but its in there |
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| 20:22.47 | wols | DuncanF: you don't need drivers for your CD drive. you might need ones (or rather a newer kernel) for your ata controller |
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| 20:23.03 | tuv | nvz: well it's a long manual, what am i looking for? |
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| 20:23.17 | nvz | tuv: you are looking for the options section of the filesystem you are using |
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| 20:23.27 | nvz | duh |
| 20:23.29 | oxo | thank you for the answers! bye. |
| 20:23.29 | nonix4 | oxo: What kind of web server are you planning? For static content lighttpd runs as a single process that uses minimal resources - for php, rails and whatnot it has fastcgi support :-) |
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| 20:23.41 | cat | can someone help me how to put a factoid on blootbot? |
| 20:23.45 | cat | if it's possible? |
| 20:23.52 | streuner | d03boy: /etc/init.d/alsa force-unload |
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| 20:24.03 | nvz | tuv: its grpid for ext2 for example |
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| 20:24.07 | Gnea | cat: what factoid? |
| 20:24.09 | pollywog | can I get sound working without alsaconf? |
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| 20:24.21 | d03boy | ok |
| 20:24.22 | wols | pollywog: yes you can |
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| 20:24.27 | d03boy | still not sure what drivers I need to load though |
| 20:24.29 | vin` | pollywog: sure, just load the right modules |
| 20:24.30 | cat | it's caled something_p.gz |
| 20:24.32 | DuncanF | wols: what is happening is I'm running through the net CD install and it's saying it can't detect CD hardware, and asking me to putdrivers on a floppy or to select from a list |
| 20:24.41 | cat | Gnea: i'm trying to do it but it's not working |
| 20:24.41 | oxo | ups, sorry, I plan to have some html (mostly information, no dynamic content) and a few files I would like to be able to access from abroad. |
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| 20:24.58 | Gnea | cat: again, what factoid? |
| 20:25.09 | wols | DuncanF: what ata controller? |
| 20:25.11 | Gnea | cat: IOW, what do you want to put on the bot? |
| 20:25.17 | cat | Gnea: yeah |
| 20:25.23 | nvz | heh |
| 20:25.24 | Gnea | !troll cat |
| 20:25.42 | d03boy | does oss use snd- |
| 20:25.45 | nvz | no |
| 20:25.54 | streuner | d03boy: /msg dpkg driver locator |
| 20:25.58 | nvz | oss is 'soundcore' alsa is 'snd' |
| 20:25.59 | d03boy | streuner, i did that |
| 20:26.01 | DuncanF | wols: one moment let me look it up, Asus A7N8X motherboard |
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| 20:26.07 | nvz | unless thats changed which it may have |
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| 20:26.17 | streuner | d03boy: and modprobe the sound-module you need without 'snd-' |
| 20:26.20 | wols | DuncanF: then it should be recognized without a problem |
| 20:26.24 | egoot | bah, gnome-terminal has a disgustingly large number of dependencies.. can anyone reccomend a good terminal app? something that has tabs, can gracefully resize itself, can change colors easily and so on.. |
| 20:26.31 | d03boy | streuner, I dont see any without snd- |
| 20:26.36 | d03boy | thats why I'm confused |
| 20:26.52 | streuner | d03boy: lspci -v | grep -i audio |
| 20:26.58 | Maulkin | oxo: try thttpd |
| 20:27.04 | nvz | egoot: can you not just use a regular termnial without screen and thus not require a bloated terminal with tabs? |
| 20:27.11 | DuncanF | wols: aye, it's confusing to me, as I'm booting off the CD in the first place |
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| 20:27.29 | d03boy | 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01) |
| 20:27.31 | nvz | egoot: e.g. Xterm + screen, or aterm... |
| 20:27.36 | kyncani | egoot: as nvz said, here just xterm + screen |
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| 20:28.12 | egoot | actually i do use screen a lot. i don't like nested screen sessions though. I run screen on several systems at once |
| 20:28.13 | wols | DuncanF: booting is done with BIOS support. different thing. but yes it's confusing |
| 20:28.14 | nvz | egoot: I am using aterm with screen right now and works fine for me |
| 20:28.34 | streuner | d03boy: try to run the modprobe command without 'snd-'(module) |
| 20:28.45 | nvz | egoot: maybe you should consider a different wm then and run multiple terminals |
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| 20:28.52 | nvz | egoot: have a look at ion3 maybe |
| 20:28.53 | yetistomps | i am having difficulty renaming this folder: [Lunar] Bleach 1-10 to Bleach1-10 How do I rename it? I tried mv but as soon as i type: mv [lunar] it changes to \[lunar\] |
| 20:28.58 | gartt | Screen is awesome- expecially with stuff like irssi |
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| 20:29.02 | streuner | d03boy: (snd-)<yoursound-module> |
| 20:29.03 | tarzeau | yetistomps: try mc |
| 20:29.04 | egoot | the "killer" gnome-terminal feature for me is being able to ctrl++ and ctrl+- to resize the font on the fly |
| 20:29.16 | vin` | d03boy: what alsa module was loaded? snd_intel8x0? |
| 20:29.17 | tarzeau | yetistomps: for spaces also use |
| 20:29.19 | d03boy | modprobe intel8x0 |
| 20:29.22 | tarzeau | yetistomps: for spaces also use \ or "" |
| 20:29.25 | Gnea | yetistomps: that's normal - the brackets need to be escaped, the \'s aren't REALLY there |
| 20:29.25 | Maulkin | yetistomps: Yes, because [] are special charaters, so need to be escaped, which is what the "\" is |
| 20:29.26 | twisted` | Ey, I got a "SMART III SATA 3Gb/s" controller for my harddisk, but debian won't autodetect it, which driver should I use? |
| 20:29.41 | maxman | Hi. I want to install a driver for my wireless LAN interface and the driver requires a krenel 2.6.8 or newer. AFAIK I only have a 2.4 kernel. Is it diffecult to upgrade the kernel. Could someone assist me please? |
| 20:29.43 | tarzeau | twisted`: hey i got the same |
| 20:29.53 | Gnea | yetistomps: try mving it and see |
| 20:29.53 | wols | tarzeau: try "lspci -v" |
| 20:29.58 | d03boy | snd-intel8x0,i810_audio |
| 20:29.59 | wols | or ask tarzeau for the driver :P |
| 20:30.01 | tarzeau | twisted`: kmuto installer failed for me. for you? tried etch installer yet? i used the ubuntu server install kernel |
| 20:30.04 | d03boy | i have those two, wasnt sure which one |
| 20:30.07 | Maulkin | maxman: are you running sarge? |
| 20:30.07 | tarzeau | wols: it was nv_sata |
| 20:30.08 | DuncanF | wols: do you think downloading the complete CD set instead of running the network disk would fix the problem? as the list of matching devices it gives me is verys mall, as it is a minimal install disk |
| 20:30.18 | maxman | Maulkin: yeah |
| 20:30.20 | wols | DuncanF: doubtful |
| 20:30.21 | streuner | d03boy: modprobe i810_audio |
| 20:30.28 | twisted` | tarzeau: the Woody just died, strait away |
| 20:30.37 | d03boy | streuner, no errors |
| 20:30.41 | twisted` | tarzeau: netinst for sarge continues but wants to know which driver to use |
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| 20:30.44 | tarzeau | twisted`: apply special cream on it |
| 20:30.51 | tarzeau | twisted`: i know some that relives every woody |
| 20:30.55 | roderyk | I'm having a kernel change/ hdparm issue: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2181 Can someone offer some advice? |
| 20:30.56 | wols | twisted`: no wonder being 5 year old. there was no sata back then. use a sarge isntaller with 2.6 kernel at least |
| 20:31.00 | Maulkin | maxman: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8 |
| 20:31.12 | tarzeau | wols: even a sarge installer won't do it anymore |
| 20:31.13 | Maulkin | (I think that's right) |
| 20:31.18 | twisted` | wols: yeah I just had Woody layin there 'n was like, well I could try |
| 20:31.28 | wols | tarzeau: I said "at least" :) |
| 20:31.38 | tuv | nvz: thanks.. i'm using nfs.. i guess this is the squash option for nfs export |
| 20:31.39 | wols | and aren#t there 2.6.15 sarge installers? :) |
| 20:31.40 | tarzeau | wols: also 2.4 can support sata |
| 20:31.48 | tarzeau | wols: yes and even those fail on some |
| 20:31.52 | wols | tarzeau: can. but support is not too good imho |
| 20:32.00 | tarzeau | wols: works good for ours at work |
| 20:32.04 | kronoz | can the java-package way of installing java be done on ubuntu? |
| 20:32.09 | Maulkin | wols: I think there's one in backports.org |
| 20:32.11 | maxman | Maulkin, couldn't find package, apt-get says. Is it un the unstable tree? |
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| 20:32.17 | Maulkin | !ubuntu |
| 20:32.17 | dpkg | Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntulinux.org and/or visit #ubuntu, right here on IRC. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
| 20:32.19 | twisted` | so what is recommended to do? |
| 20:32.19 | DuncanF | wols: any sugeestions on what I should try? |
| 20:32.28 | kronoz | yes i know maulkin... |
| 20:32.31 | twisted` | since I can't really find anythin on this obscure driver |
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| 20:32.42 | twisted` | s/driver/controller |
| 20:32.42 | wols | DuncanF: try to mount it in another console. see if it's there and works |
| 20:32.44 | oxo | thanks again, bye |
| 20:32.45 | tarzeau | twisted`: did you buy the mobo? |
| 20:32.46 | yetistomps | Gnea, renaming a folder shouldn't be this tedious. |
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| 20:32.52 | tarzeau | !folder |
| 20:32.52 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
| 20:32.56 | tarzeau | yetistomps: just use mc, man |
| 20:33.01 | Maulkin | maxman: I thought you said you were running sarge... |
| 20:33.01 | d03boy | streuner, alright, its still fuzzy |
| 20:33.01 | twisted` | tarzeau: nope, it's a HP Compaq DC7600 Small Form Factor |
| 20:33.03 | tarzeau | !dir |
| 20:33.03 | dpkg | wrong OS, foo |
| 20:33.09 | DuncanF | wols: alright, thanks |
| 20:33.21 | yetistomps | tarzeau, i tried mc [lunar] but it defaults to \[lunar\] |
| 20:33.22 | Maulkin | kronoz: So please ask Ubuntu, not us :) |
| 20:33.23 | st0ner | ./winver.exe |
| 20:33.29 | wols | DuncanF: most probably it can mount it just fine, but it's at the wrong place so it won't find it |
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| 20:33.35 | roderyk | *bump* problem: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2181 Any suggestions on what kernel config options to set? |
| 20:33.40 | Parnassus | when dhclient runs - it always adds 192.168.0.1 to my /etc/resolv.conf. This seems to cause the slow DNS I am seeing. removing it manually sorts everything out - is there a way of stopping dhclient setting this? |
| 20:33.58 | Maulkin | maxman: If it's unstable, use linux-image-2.6.15<tab> |
| 20:34.05 | maxman | Maulkin, yes, I do. I'm running Debian 3.1r1. That's sarge, isn't it? |
| 20:34.09 | tarzeau | yetistomps: do you know mc? |
| 20:34.10 | yetistomps | tarzeau, oh you mean midnight commander! |
| 20:34.11 | pipeline | Parnassus: The easiest way to solve it is to reconfigure your DHCP server :P |
| 20:34.20 | tarzeau | yetistomps: yes i mean TEH mc |
| 20:34.22 | wols | Parnassus: tell your dhcp server to stop giving you false DNS servers |
| 20:34.27 | tarzeau | yetistomps: f6 is what you want |
| 20:34.29 | yetistomps | tarzeau, should have said so b4 :-) |
| 20:34.38 | Parnassus | pipeline: hmm. i'll check. |
| 20:34.47 | Maulkin | maxman: yup. Run "apt-cache search kernel-image" and pick one of those :) |
| 20:34.59 | wols | roderyk: the proper kernel option depends on your ATA controller |
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| 20:35.33 | d03boy | what are my options as far as this sound problem goes? they were working with an earlier kernel |
| 20:35.47 | roderyk | wols, am I to assume this is localized to a kernel option. and not some wierd bug? |
| 20:35.48 | st0ner | when does gnome 2.14 arrive at sid ? |
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| 20:36.00 | wols | roderyk: yes it's a kernel option |
| 20:36.05 | maxman | Maulkin: what does it mean if the package has a "-smp" suffix? |
| 20:36.12 | wols | also, enable the "PCI DMA by defeult" thing in the kernel |
| 20:36.16 | d03boy | maxman, multi processors |
| 20:36.29 | strider | st0ner: check /topic of #gnome-debian in gimpnet |
| 20:36.30 | wols | maxman: for multiprocessor systems. more than one CPU |
| 20:36.43 | maxman | d03boy, wols: ah thanks |
| 20:36.49 | Maulkin | maxman: Use -smp if you have more than one processor. |
| 20:36.52 | novata | wols, after doing m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200, need anything more for works with wpa? |
| 20:37.02 | maxman | Maulkin: I have only one |
| 20:37.11 | Maulkin | maxman: Don't pick a smp one then |
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| 20:37.17 | maxman | yeah |
| 20:37.20 | Maulkin | st0ner: As soon as it's packaged |
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| 20:37.43 | twisted` | tarzeau: but you have the same, uh, controller? |
| 20:37.48 | twisted` | tarzeau: how did you get it installe? |
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| 20:38.07 | maxman | Maulkin, i'll pick linux-image-2.6.15-686 (for PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4) |
| 20:38.10 | d03boy | who knows how to fix fuzzy sound? trid alsa and oss. played with mixers. worked with kernel 2.6.11 but not 2.6.15 |
| 20:38.12 | tarzeau | twisted`: i told you, i used the ubuntu server install kernel |
| 20:38.16 | tarzeau | twisted`: and then made my own |
| 20:38.34 | tarzeau | twisted`: yes i've got exactly the same crap text on my mobo emballage |
| 20:38.38 | aarchie | I'm having trouble getting my microphone to work in Debian. My "nVidia Corporation nForce3 Audio" is detected fine & audio output works. I'm using KDE & ALSA. The audio ports work under windows so I know the hardware works. Can anyone point me to some troubleshooting steps? |
| 20:38.50 | tarzeau | d03boy: tried latest alsa? from experimental? |
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| 20:38.57 | d03boy | tarzeau, probably not |
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| 20:39.03 | tarzeau | d03boy: tried another player? |
| 20:39.04 | twisted` | tarzeau: damn, I hate HP |
| 20:39.06 | dany | hi who know xmacro?? need help with it, i search how to include some pause between commands |
| 20:39.14 | twisted` | tarzeau: so it's the kernel huh? |
| 20:39.16 | tarzeau | twisted`: the number one unix company? |
| 20:39.16 | d03boy | tarzeau, tried mpg321 and xmms |
| 20:39.31 | wols | d03boy: what soundcard is it again? if its a AC97, any alsa with i810 driver should work |
| 20:39.31 | st0ner | so can i expect gnome 2.14 in the next few days? :) |
| 20:39.40 | tarzeau | st0ner: who cares? |
| 20:39.45 | twisted` | tarzeau: last time I checked SUN was but I don't care about that :D |
| 20:39.48 | tarzeau | st0ner: did you check packages.debian.org yet? |
| 20:39.52 | maxman | Maulkin: the download will take a few minutes. Can I get back to you when it's finished? |
| 20:39.56 | wols | st0ner: you can't expect _anything_ |
| 20:40.09 | tarzeau | wols: or rather nothing, unless he does it on his own |
| 20:40.13 | streuner | !pal st0ner |
| 20:40.19 | d03boy | wols, the audio controller is AC97, the card itself is intel something, and the chip is sigmatel |
| 20:40.22 | tarzeau | wols: ah can't |
| 20:40.22 | Maulkin | st0ner: possibly. It dependws on how much more complicated it is. |
| 20:40.33 | menko | hey people, I download cds 1 and 2 of debian sid yesterday. |
| 20:40.38 | menko | The installation gave me an error/warning early on when it was detecting the hardware though, something about loading a kernel module. |
| 20:40.39 | Maulkin | maxman: I may be around. I'm sure someone here can help though |
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| 20:40.43 | cahoot | d03boy: is it an ICH7? |
| 20:40.43 | novata | after doing , needm-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200 , what anything else is needed for wpa? |
| 20:40.48 | SlayerXP | menko: that was dumb of you. |
| 20:40.49 | d03boy | cahoot, ICH4 |
| 20:40.52 | menko | I can't remember exactly what it was, it was just before I went to bed that I tried it out. |
| 20:40.52 | streuner | menko: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 20:40.57 | maxman | Maulkin: okay. thanks |
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| 20:41.11 | Maulkin | novata: Are you running 2.6.15? |
| 20:41.14 | SlayerXP | Maulkin: who let you in? |
| 20:41.15 | wols | d03boy: should work fine then |
| 20:41.18 | thingfish | there are sid iso's? |
| 20:41.22 | tarzeau | thingfish: no |
| 20:41.26 | d03boy | wols, what do you suggest I do then? |
| 20:41.31 | Maulkin | SlayerXP: I've been here ages :) |
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| 20:41.39 | SlayerXP | Maulkin: pork pies! :) |
| 20:41.49 | novata | Maulkin, i am. |
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| 20:42.00 | thingfish | I know that, tarzeau. look ^^ and see what menko wrote. |
| 20:42.02 | menko | tarzeau: but I downloaded some so called sid isos off a link from debian.org |
| 20:42.03 | Maulkin | novata: Because ipw2200 is built in to that kernel |
| 20:42.03 | wols | d03boy: if it worked before as you say, examine how it was done then |
| 20:42.10 | pollywog | the alsa modules seem to load but I have no sound and I am unable to install alsa-utils without removing hall and udev |
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| 20:42.14 | tarzeau | menko: url? |
| 20:42.20 | menko | just a sec |
| 20:42.41 | coder_5 | hmm.. is there a way besiders hdparm to disable UDMA on harddisks? some echo > /proc thingie or like that? |
| 20:42.42 | novata | Maulkin, so how can i check if it works? |
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| 20:42.51 | menko | http://www.us.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ |
| 20:42.56 | menko | fsn://HU images for the "unstable" distribution on CD (amd64 and i386, regenerated weekly), mirrors |
| 20:42.57 | coder_5 | hdparm is not contained on the debian install disc |
| 20:42.57 | wols | pollywog: then check the alsa-utils packages more carefully. check why they want to do this and what versions of hal und udev they want etc |
| 20:42.59 | d03boy | im going to reboot for fun |
| 20:42.59 | Maulkin | novata: "modprobe ipw2200" |
| 20:43.15 | Maulkin | novata: install wpa_supplicant for wpa stuff, then read teh docs that come iwth that |
| 20:43.25 | Maulkin | SlayerXP: Gimmie! |
| 20:43.26 | pollywog | wols I tried upgrading those packages but that did not solve the problem |
| 20:43.47 | wols | pollywog: check the ala-utils package you want to install. that's the one wanting to remove them |
| 20:44.01 | heinrich | hi, i have debian unstable and i've just dist-upgraded. The pb is that i've overlooked the removed packages and now i don't have the mysql-server installed. I've tried reinstalling it but i can't, plus it's not compatible with php4-mysql package. How can i solve this as quicly as possible? |
| 20:44.05 | thingfish | well huh |
| 20:44.14 | menko | I forgot to say, I went on a bit further, and it said the cds integrit check passed |
| 20:44.16 | pollywog | it's the ones in testing and unstable that want to remove them |
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| 20:44.20 | novata | Maulkin, modprobe just done, and wpa_suplicant is installed |
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| 20:44.58 | Maulkin | novata: Then read the wpa_supplicant docs |
| 20:45.02 | pollywog | kernel 2.6.15 is not going to work for me but I am unable to recompile 2.6.8 |
| 20:45.04 | heinrich | can anyone help me, pls? |
| 20:45.23 | pollywog | I get compiler errors with 2.6.8 |
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| 20:45.44 | wols | pollywog: improbable |
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| 20:45.57 | pollywog | heinrich: did you try compiling the package yourself? |
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| 20:46.25 | heinrich | no i haven't |
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| 20:46.28 | heinrich | how do i do that? |
| 20:46.34 | maxman | Maulkin: apt-get installation has completed. do i have to to anything special now? |
| 20:46.40 | egoot | heinrich: what are you running? stable/testing/unstable? |
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| 20:46.49 | Maulkin | maxman: reboot |
| 20:46.54 | heinrich | unstable...i've mentioned earlier |
| 20:46.58 | Mole | in what file do i put modules that i want loaded @ boot ? |
| 20:47.05 | maxman | Maulkin: okay. i'll be back in a sec |
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| 20:47.12 | pollywog | heinrich do you have deb-src entries in your apt/sources.list ? |
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| 20:47.23 | heinrich | can't remember...let me check |
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| 20:47.29 | Coweater | bah, the first answer is not to go around compiling shit |
| 20:47.30 | Maulkin | Mole: /etc/modules IIRC |
| 20:47.32 | bleurgh | Mole: /etc/modules |
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| 20:47.41 | pollywog | he following packages will be REMOVED: |
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| 20:47.43 | Coweater | the dependency system is there for a reason |
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| 20:47.49 | pollywog | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
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| 20:48.06 | heinrich | i don't have it |
| 20:48.06 | pollywog | so not so improbable |
| 20:48.24 | pollywog | heinrich you need to add some first |
| 20:48.26 | wols | pollywog: 2.6.8 giving you compiler errors is improbable |
| 20:48.36 | heinrich | pollywog, how was the line again? |
| 20:48.42 | pollywog | wols: no it happened |
| 20:48.45 | heinrich | deb-src and the rest? |
| 20:48.55 | pollywog | someone told me it is a well-known problem |
| 20:49.27 | pollywog | heinrich: yes just copy the other lines but change the deb to deb-src |
| 20:49.29 | egoot | heinrich: what do you tried installing but cant? |
| 20:49.33 | pollywog | that usually works |
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| 20:49.42 | wols | pollywog: what version of alsa-utils? |
| 20:49.52 | egoot | heinrich: have you tried expleicitly installing mysql-server-4.1? |
| 20:49.53 | heinrich | egoot, i've made a dist-upgrade |
| 20:50.01 | wols | cause mine doesn't mention hal or udev at all |
| 20:50.07 | heinrich | egoot, how do i do that? |
| 20:50.10 | egoot | heinrich: mysql-server-5.0 has some problems right now |
| 20:50.15 | pollywog | Installed: (none) |
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| 20:50.15 | pollywog | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:50.15 | heinrich | i can't find it in the repos |
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| 20:50.29 | heinrich | and i'm not too good at compilig :( |
| 20:50.34 | egoot | heinrich: there is a package with just that name "apt-get install mysql-server-4.1" |
| 20:50.35 | dvs | wols: I think pollywog is mixing distributions |
| 20:50.36 | Cyorxamp | Does anyone in here have a faulty SL-5500? |
| 20:50.36 | Cyorxamp | I am interested in getting a replacement main board - so if anyone has a SL-5500 (e.g. with a broken screen) then that would be great |
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| 20:50.41 | maxman | Maulkin: okay. i'm back. now that was it? |
| 20:50.52 | Maulkin | heinrich: Namely, mysql-server-5.0 likes to segfault. |
| 20:51.05 | Maulkin | maxman: What's the output of "uname -r"? |
| 20:51.07 | pollywog | dvs I think maybe I need to go back to sarge, sadly |
| 20:51.09 | heinrich | E: Package mysql-server-4.1 has no installation candidate |
| 20:51.25 | wols | dvs: possible |
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| 20:51.31 | phrog123 | soerrry, was root |
| 20:51.38 | egoot | heinrich: you might need testing/stable sources in your sources list... |
| 20:51.41 | phrog123 | soerry->sorry |
| 20:51.45 | heinrich | hmm...ok |
| 20:51.50 | maxman | Maulkin: 2.6.15-1-686 :D |
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| 20:51.56 | maxman | Maulkin: cool! |
| 20:51.56 | phrog123 | ok, where do I set the proper font for use across an ssh connection |
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| 20:52.08 | pollywog | I have tried to use testing sources but that does not seem to be sufficient |
| 20:52.14 | Maulkin | maxman: There you go then :) |
| 20:52.25 | karrot-x | i'm having a 'famopen2' error when compiling maildrop on sarge stable, the error happends when "linking maildirkw" |
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| 20:52.30 | pollywog | does kernel-2.6.15 compile with gcc 4.0? |
| 20:52.30 | karrot-x | does anyone know how to fix this? |
| 20:52.44 | dvs | pollywog: works for me |
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| 20:52.56 | pollywog | dvs: thanks, I will try that |
| 20:53.05 | pollywog | I am not sure it will fix anything |
| 20:53.24 | aarchie | I'm having trouble getting any input from my microphone. Can anyone recommend some troubleshooting steps? |
| 20:53.42 | maxman | Maulkin: that guy in the tutorial a bou inmstalling debian on a laptop almost identical tom ine says he did a special kernel configuration. do i have to do hat too? |
| 20:54.01 | unix_infidel | alsamixer--->unmute the mic? |
| 20:54.07 | alarmyst | aarchie: first the mixer settings, second, the device node permissions |
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| 20:54.23 | heinrich | thanks egoot ... totally forgot about that |
| 20:54.25 | alarmyst | aarchie: third, the physical plug |
| 20:54.35 | unix_infidel | maxman: what do you mean which latop? |
| 20:54.48 | Maulkin | maxman: What's the laptop? |
| 20:55.05 | heinrich | does anyone have any ideea when will gnome 2.14 be available in the official repository? |
| 20:55.21 | maxman | unix_infidel, Maulkin: I have a Sony Vaio pcg-z1m (http://www.raubacapeu.net/people/yves/help/vaioz1sp.html) |
| 20:55.22 | tarzeau | heinrich: packages.debian.org ? |
| 20:55.24 | heinrich | or can anyone give me an alternative repos for gnome 2.14? |
| 20:55.33 | pipeline | heinrich: You'll have to build it yourself, from scratch. |
| 20:55.34 | unstable | heinrich: What version of debian are you using? |
| 20:55.34 | tarzeau | heinrich: #ubuntu ? |
| 20:55.51 | heinrich | unstable |
| 20:55.54 | heinrich | like your name :) |
| 20:55.55 | aarchie | alarmyst: it is physically plugged in & I rebooted into windows (for the first time in ages!) and it worked. So that side is ok. I've been tinkering with the mixer settings but I can't find a combination that works. |
| 20:55.56 | tarzeau | heinrich: experimental? |
| 20:56.03 | st0ner | tarzeau: the smooth lines :) |
| 20:56.11 | heinrich | tarzeau, unstable debian |
| 20:56.12 | dvs | tarzeau: 14 is better than 12! ;-) |
| 20:56.14 | heinrich | not ubuntu |
| 20:56.27 | tarzeau | for smooth lines? cracks me up |
| 20:56.27 | alarmyst | aarchie: combination? |
| 20:56.29 | egoot | dvs: better by 2 |
| 20:56.39 | tarzeau | i like drug lines into my noze |
| 20:56.39 | heinrich | tarzeau, i read that it uses less memory? :D |
| 20:56.43 | unstable | !tell heinrich about experimental |
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| 20:56.48 | tarzeau | heinrich: hahahaha, marketing lies! |
| 20:56.48 | alarmyst | aarchie: dont you see a mic volume ? |
| 20:56.50 | heinrich | just thought to give it a try |
| 20:56.57 | heinrich | i know what experimental is |
| 20:57.11 | st0ner | (14/12*100)-100 % better |
| 20:57.12 | brutzus | hi, is it possible do start with an comand xterm as root ? |
| 20:57.13 | aarchie | alarmyst: the mic volume is up, definitely. i've been trying the more advanced options. |
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| 20:57.25 | heinrich | thanks anyway unstable |
| 20:57.28 | unix_infidel | maxman: no do NOT use his configuration. |
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| 20:57.30 | aarchie | alarmyst: under the "switches" tab. |
| 20:57.43 | alarmyst | aarchie: what about the mute ? |
| 20:57.43 | unix_infidel | compile the latest kernel that accomadates the hardware on your box. |
| 20:57.48 | a1fa | hey |
| 20:57.49 | a1fa | guys |
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| 20:57.58 | d03boy | ugh.. |
| 20:58.03 | maxman | unix_infidel: he uses a 2.4 configuration anyways |
| 20:58.06 | d03boy | my sound should work but it doesnt. |
| 20:58.12 | unix_infidel | maxman: latest kernel is 2.6:P |
| 20:58.12 | aarchie | alarmyst: i'm pretty sure it isn't muted. |
| 20:58.30 | unix_infidel | you dont need HIS EXACT kernel config. |
| 20:58.33 | abrotman | !#gnome |
| 20:58.33 | dpkg | The gnome IRC channel is #gnome at irc.gnome.org, or for debian gnome related use #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
| 20:58.37 | Maulkin | maxman: You can probably ignore that if you're running a 2.6.15 kernel |
| 20:58.45 | unix_infidel | although, ubuntu might make it easier with the hardware detection. |
| 20:58.46 | aarchie | alarmyst: i'm using kmix & I guess it's the green light at the top of the slider. i've tried it on & off. |
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| 20:59.14 | maxman | Maulkin: so i don't need special config then? |
| 20:59.19 | pollywog | is it okay to remove OSS support from the kernel if I am using ALSA? |
| 20:59.30 | dvs | pollywog: you must |
| 20:59.35 | pollywog | k |
| 20:59.40 | offff | Necessary of 2 ips in the same machine (virtual). |
| 20:59.41 | offff | Which the best option? |
| 20:59.41 | offff | To raise an interface (you unite) eth0:1 |
| 20:59.41 | offff | Or to use the "ip addr 192.168.x.x dev ethx"? |
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| 20:59.45 | pollywog | I had removed it |
| 20:59.46 | valdyn | pollywog: you dont have to.. but it is sure ok |
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| 20:59.49 | Maulkin | maxman: You may do, but you may not. Try it and see what happens |
| 20:59.53 | pollywog | k thanks |
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| 21:00.27 | maxman | Maulkin: what you mean "try it"? |
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| 21:00.41 | Maulkin | maxman: Is 2.6.15 working? |
| 21:00.48 | offff | Necessary of 2 ips in the same machine (virtual). Which the best option? To raise an interface (you unite) eth0:1 Or to use the "ip addr 192.168.x.x dev ethx"? |
| 21:00.52 | maxman | Maulkin: it looks like |
| 21:00.53 | aarchie | alarmyst: it definitely isn't muted & the volume is up. |
| 21:00.54 | Maulkin | maxman: Then you don't need to anything special :) |
| 21:01.00 | maxman | Maulkin: okay. |
| 21:01.02 | unix_infidel | maxman: use the e1000 driver for the ethernet device, e100 is an alternative driver, e1000 is totally functional. |
| 21:01.20 | valdyn | unix_infidel: that is for different hardware |
| 21:01.24 | pollywog | does anyone still do 'make mrpoper' before make config on a kernel? |
| 21:01.31 | pollywog | mrproper |
| 21:01.32 | dvs | !kp |
| 21:01.33 | dpkg | hmm... kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 21:01.34 | maxman | unix_infidel: how can i find out whick driver i'm using ATM? |
| 21:01.44 | maxman | *which |
| 21:01.44 | unix_infidel | maxman: you are on debian on that laptop right now? |
| 21:01.50 | maxman | yes |
| 21:01.51 | nvz | pollywog: I dont do make anything |
| 21:01.54 | aarchie | alarmyst: I'm guessing it is one of the advanced switches that is causing the problem. is there anywhere I can look for advice on what each does? |
| 21:01.56 | unix_infidel | lsmod | grep e100 |
| 21:02.00 | nvz | pollywog: make-kpkg does it all |
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| 21:02.31 | ealm | are there any debian installers supporting reiser4? |
| 21:02.37 | maxman | unix_infidel: e100 |
| 21:02.50 | maxman | unix_infidel: e1000 is better> |
| 21:02.51 | maxman | ? |
| 21:02.56 | unix_infidel | maxman: no it works. |
| 21:03.07 | valdyn | maxman: e1000 is for 'better' hardware |
| 21:03.14 | nvz | ealm: if you had any idea how many people come in here crying they lost tons of data on reiser fs every day, you probably wouldnt care |
| 21:03.19 | maxman | valdyn: ah, okay.. |
| 21:03.26 | offff | Necessary of 2 ips in the same machine (virtual). Which the best option? To raise an interface (alias eth0:1) Or to use the "ip addr 192.168.x.x dev ethx"? |
| 21:03.30 | nvz | or perhaps if you even knew that there are no tools to recover your lost data |
| 21:03.37 | maxman | unix_infidel: do you know how i install that wlan driver? |
| 21:04.00 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: i think the problem is that the gallery is looking for "GET /simpsons/.cache/64x75-burns-tinusch-gif.jpg HTTP/1.1" instead of 64x75-burns-tinusch.jpg but i still dont know how to fix |
| 21:04.02 | unix_infidel | maxman: what wireless? |
| 21:04.07 | pollywog | nvz; I have never had problems with reiser but I would not install it next time just because of all that I have seen in this channel |
| 21:04.17 | Maulkin | reiser is very good for specific tasks. Just don't use it for important data |
| 21:04.18 | roderyk | nvz, are you suggesting to stick with ext3? or xfs? or what? |
| 21:04.18 | unix_infidel | oh, ipw21000? just install the firmware. |
| 21:04.27 | ealm | nvz: I've used reiserfs for years, and reiser4 for one year... no problems and that's what I want if/when I switch to debian |
| 21:04.30 | unix_infidel | and follow the guides on google. |
| 21:04.42 | abrotman | !ipw2100 |
| 21:04.42 | dpkg | methinks ipw2100 is a wireless driver for certain intel wireless cards: 'apt-get install ipw2100-source', build with module-assistant. Download and install the firmware as you get told during install. For help try #ipw2100 or http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net. |
| 21:04.52 | deadcat | ipw2100-source - source for the ipw2100 driver |
| 21:04.52 | valdyn | ealm: debian has no kernels or installers supporting reiser4 |
| 21:04.55 | Maulkin | roderyk: Do you have a UPS? |
| 21:04.58 | ealm | ok :( |
| 21:05.00 | unix_infidel | !bottreat |
| 21:05.11 | dvs | !botsnack |
| 21:05.11 | dpkg | dvs: :) |
| 21:05.15 | maxman | unix_infidel: Intel Corp. PRO/Wireless LAN 2100 3B Mini PCI Adapter |
| 21:05.24 | unix_infidel | maxman: uhhh, look above. |
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| 21:05.32 | unix_infidel | someone just gave you some great info. |
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| 21:05.46 | roderyk | Maulkin, no. :) but I am using a reserfs raid-1. I'm new to the channel, so have not heard a lot of reiserFS complaints |
| 21:05.49 | Maulkin | maxman: First, can you try 'modprobe ipw2100' |
| 21:06.00 | Maulkin | roderyk: If no UPS, use ext3 |
| 21:06.05 | nvz | ealm: yeah well I for one want an fs with good recovery tools, one that is supported widely by rescue media..etc so that when shit hits the fan I am not crying |
| 21:06.32 | Maulkin | !ricerfs |
| 21:06.32 | dpkg | i guess ricerfs is the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for real info. |
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| 21:06.55 | maxman | Maulkin: no output |
| 21:07.08 | Maulkin | maxman: Then it's loaded the module. |
| 21:07.13 | Maulkin | Should eb working ok now then |
| 21:07.34 | pollywog | can my home partition be changed from reiser to ext2 on my next reinstall without data loss? |
| 21:07.35 | unix_infidel | might be better if you use ubuntu for that laptop, most of the stuff works outta the box. |
| 21:07.43 | ealm | nvz, ok, I have my own prefs though... thanx anyway, I saw slack/gentoo/mdk/suse/linspire supports reiser4 so I'll investigate those alternatives |
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| 21:07.49 | ubuh-huntuh | dpkg: fuck you |
| 21:07.49 | dpkg | no, fuck you |
| 21:07.50 | Maulkin | pollywog: Not IIRC |
| 21:07.50 | pollywog | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:07.51 | ealm | thanx anyway! |
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| 21:08.05 | sam_ | Is there any alsa-gurus around? I am trying to get my soundcard working under Debian etch with ALSA Driver Version 1.0.11rc3. Compiled on Mar 19 2006 for kernel 2.6.14.5, but it won't recognize my Multimedia audio controller: ALi Corporation M5455 PCI AC-Link Controller Audio Device (rev 20). Can anyone offer some tips? |
| 21:08.05 | sam_ | sam_ I am pretty sure it's a command-line parameter issue, but can't seem to grasp the concept. |
| 21:08.10 | pollywog | ppl please watch the language |
| 21:08.11 | maxman | Maulkin: hmm.. how can i find that out then? (sorry for asking so many basic questions) |
| 21:08.18 | ubuh-huntuh | dpkg: you are an idiot. Learn to use it. |
| 21:08.18 | dpkg | ubuh-huntuh: what are you talking about? |
| 21:08.22 | deadcat | maxman: lsmod |grep ipw |
| 21:08.24 | maxman | unix_infidel: i don't want to use ubuntu |
| 21:08.29 | JohnFlux | ealm: pollywog I don't recommend reiserfs |
| 21:08.30 | deadcat | maxman: (= |
| 21:08.32 | Maulkin | maxman: "iwconfig -a" |
| 21:08.33 | unix_infidel | maxman: dmesg | grep ipw |
| 21:08.39 | JohnFlux | ealm: pollywog at least until it gets better fsck support |
| 21:08.41 | unix_infidel | :p |
| 21:08.44 | ubuh-huntuh | I'm talking about you being an idiot for trashing something you have no clue about |
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| 21:08.50 | Maulkin | maxman: Or yes, dmeg | grep ipw |
| 21:08.58 | deadcat | iwconfig dont have -a |
| 21:09.00 | twisted` | tarzeau: I got it to work |
| 21:09.01 | pollywog | I will change it to ext2 on my next reinstall |
| 21:09.05 | maxman | Maulkin: what's the difference? |
| 21:09.08 | twisted` | tarzeau: it had it's own driver |
| 21:09.09 | hjubal | bye |
| 21:09.16 | twisted` | tarzeau: I just started at the top of the list and tried 'em all |
| 21:09.19 | Maulkin | maxman: they do different things :) |
| 21:09.19 | maxman | Maulkin: it appears in lsmod |
| 21:09.28 | tarzeau | twisted`: great! |
| 21:09.29 | Maulkin | maxman: Anything from dmesg? |
| 21:09.31 | nvz | ubuh-huntuh: if you dont mind, stop arguing with the bots now. |
| 21:09.36 | twisted` | tarzeau: eventually it was... uhh... damn... lemme check |
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| 21:09.38 | Maulkin | deadcat: Good point, yeah :) |
| 21:09.43 | tarzeau | twisted`: hehe congrats |
| 21:09.47 | unix_infidel | !pastebin |
| 21:09.48 | dpkg | i guess pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or check out http://securelabs.zapto.org/~pureone/src/pastebin.c if your stuck in console only |
| 21:09.48 | deadcat | Maulkin: must be thinking ifconfig hehe |
| 21:09.50 | JohnFlux | ubuh-huntuh: you do know that dpkg is a bot right.... |
| 21:09.54 | Maulkin | deadcat: Yup :) |
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| 21:10.14 | twisted` | tarzeau: ata_piix |
| 21:10.23 | twisted` | tarzeau: but now I ran into a kernel panic :S |
| 21:10.27 | ubuh-huntuh | i know i'm just releasing some steam |
| 21:10.32 | ubuh-huntuh | heheheeh |
| 21:10.41 | nvz | dpkg, abuse |
| 21:10.41 | dpkg | RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again! |
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| 21:11.04 | maxman | Maulkin: yes. It's detected on eth2 but if failes to load the firmware, failed to power on the adapter, error calling regiester_netdev |
| 21:11.13 | roderyk | wols, thank you for your suggestion. it seems I missed a pci-ide option, and now all is good with my box :) |
| 21:11.33 | twisted` | On boot I get after I just installed it, /sbin/init (some stuff) cannot open /dev/console, and then the kernel panics |
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| 21:11.48 | Maulkin | maxman: you'll need the firmware from http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net |
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| 21:12.02 | wols | glad to hear |
| 21:12.05 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: ya. the gallery is adding .jpg to all the .gif formats. |
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| 21:12.13 | wols | BM-DMA can be a btich sometimes |
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| 21:12.44 | ergegeg | hi |
| 21:12.46 | heinrich | egoot, how can i remove the user mysql 5 created? |
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| 21:12.58 | ergegeg | I just upgraded to 2.600.15 |
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| 21:12.59 | heinrich | i can't start the mysql-4 version because of that |
| 21:13.08 | ergegeg | and my usb mouse nolonger works |
| 21:13.18 | ergegeg | I went from 2.6.11 to 2.600.15 |
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| 21:13.28 | twisted` | the error is: /sbin/init: 431: Cannot open /dev/console: No such file |
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| 21:13.29 | cybercrypt | is there any documentation on dmraid with sarge? I need to be able to install debian using the network via PXE and on SATA (soft) RAID0 drives |
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| 21:13.43 | lfoefs | hola |
| 21:13.49 | ergegeg | infact no usb devices seem to work in 2.600.15 |
| 21:13.54 | st0ner | Error: can't open /dev/fb0 |
| 21:13.56 | ergegeg | I am using debian testing |
| 21:14.06 | ergegeg | me usb mouse no work no more |
| 21:14.08 | ergegeg | wahhhh |
| 21:14.10 | ergegeg | wahhhh |
| 21:14.13 | sylvain | Hello, is there a way to detach a job from a terminal? I want to log in to a remote machine with SSH, launch a command, and disconnect, but I would like the command to continue when I'm disconnected |
| 21:14.26 | st0ner | mine works (R) |
| 21:14.29 | wols | sylvain: nohup <xommand> |
| 21:14.41 | wols | sylvain: but screen is best. apt-get install screen |
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| 21:15.18 | Maulkin | ergegeg: Try unplugging it and plugging it back in again |
| 21:15.35 | roderyk | sylvain, apt-get install detachtty :) |
| 21:15.46 | Maulkin | ergegeg: Whilst you do that, "tail -f /var/log/syslog" |
| 21:15.56 | nightwalker | hi to channel |
| 21:16.08 | tarzeau | ctrl-z, bg, disown works too |
| 21:16.08 | st0ner | hi to nightwalker |
| 21:16.09 | sandman | Is there a way for networking to automatically restart when something happens to it? |
| 21:16.15 | tarzeau | if the job is already running |
| 21:16.16 | sandman | Or, for it to try and repair itself should something bad happen? |
| 21:16.30 | tarzeau | sandman: you could easily do such script |
| 21:16.36 | tarzeau | sandman: however it could fail in several ways |
| 21:17.03 | tarzeau | sandman: i've seen people take power away. remove the network cable. turn off the switch, remove power of switch, cut cable into two pieces... |
| 21:17.18 | tarzeau | sandman: and many more like these, including several different ways of software fail |
| 21:17.27 | tarzeau | oh and debian's default dhcp client SUCKS ASS |
| 21:17.50 | tarzeau | it dies if your dhcpd goes away for say 10 minutes. hahahaha |
| 21:18.11 | tarzeau | retarded |
| 21:18.45 | st0ner | someone managed rhythmbox to playback aac/mp4 with official debian packages? |
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| 21:18.52 | Maulkin | sandman: ifplugd may help you in detection of link status |
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| 21:19.16 | JohnFlux | how does loadlin work? |
| 21:19.22 | JohnFlux | does it load the initrd into memory first? |
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| 21:19.38 | maxman | Maulkin: okay. downloaded and extracted the firmware |
| 21:19.42 | JohnFlux | when the kernel boots, does it read the initrd from memory? |
| 21:19.42 | aarchie | I'm looking for some help with Kmix. I've no idea what all the "switches" are for and I think that there is something needing changed in there to get my microphone working. Any suggestions? |
| 21:19.46 | JohnFlux | or from the hard disk? |
| 21:19.50 | kself | madwifi / linksys, bug: http://madwifi.org/ticket/475 |
| 21:19.57 | JohnFlux | aarchie: turn off mute and turn on the boost |
| 21:20.05 | heinrich | how can i set the MAC address for my NIC every time the system boots? |
| 21:20.06 | kself | JohnFlux: No, it reads it from disk. |
| 21:20.18 | Maulkin | maxman: Now, rmmod ipw2100 && modprobe ipw2100 |
| 21:20.29 | JohnFlux | kself: so the kernel needs the ide drivers and the filesystem drivers? |
| 21:20.31 | kself | JohnFlux: It's passed the initrd parameter by your bootloader, which IIUC is actually responsible for mediating disk access. |
| 21:20.32 | Maulkin | maxman: then do dmesg|grep ipw again |
| 21:20.33 | st0ner | bah linksys - im glad i sold my wrt54 finally |
| 21:20.40 | dvs | Maulkin: modprobe -r ipw2100; modprobe ipw2100 |
| 21:20.44 | aarchie | JohnFlux: thanks but no change. anything else i can try? |
| 21:20.53 | nonix4 | Anyone else practice fixing their errors on live binaries w/ gdb for fun? |
| 21:20.53 | JohnFlux | kself: so initrd is responsible for reading the initrd? |
| 21:20.54 | kself | JohnFlux: There's some _very_ interesting initrd docs out on Teh Intarweb if you want to read up on it. |
| 21:20.58 | JohnFlux | kself: or the kernel is? |
| 21:21.01 | Maulkin | dvs: Good point, yeah :) |
| 21:21.04 | caffei | st0ner, I think amarok supports AAC/MP4, but haven't tested that. |
| 21:21.05 | JohnFlux | kself: I can't get it to work which is why I ask :-) |
| 21:21.08 | kself | JohnFlux: Not sure if it's kernel or bootloader. I'm thinking bootloader. |
| 21:21.20 | kself | JohnFlux: Well, then it certainly isn't reading it from memory. Or anywhere else ;-) |
| 21:21.21 | st0ner | amarok != rhythmbox |
| 21:21.25 | nonix4 | (just dup2'd stdin/out/err to /dev/null on one binary that was spewing useless amounts of output) |
| 21:21.28 | caffei | st0ner, I know =P |
| 21:21.39 | moshii | JohnFlux: your initrd needs to be in a format the kernel knows |
| 21:21.42 | JohnFlux | kself: hmm. why not :) |
| 21:21.52 | st0ner | my system will never see any qt! :) |
| 21:21.53 | JohnFlux | kself: hmm. not the initrd, but the fs where the initrd _is_ |
| 21:21.54 | kself | JohnFlux: Well, it's not working, right ;-) |
| 21:21.56 | moshii | JohnFlux: and your kernel need initial ramdisk support |
| 21:22.01 | JohnFlux | moshii: it has that |
| 21:22.08 | deadcat | kself: you using debian madwifi source or the cvs? |
| 21:22.11 | maxman | Maulkin: where do i have to place the firmware? |
| 21:22.16 | pollywog | I have one of those WRT54's but I turned wireless off |
| 21:22.17 | Maulkin | maxman: erm... |
| 21:22.18 | caffei | st0ner, great, 'coz my system will never see any Mono (but I do have GNOME installed -- my mom uses it :p ) |
| 21:22.21 | JohnFlux | moshii: I'm wondering if the kernel doesn't support the filesystem where the initrd is |
| 21:22.24 | pollywog | and I use Talisman |
| 21:22.30 | JohnFlux | moshii: booting from loadlin |
| 21:22.40 | Maulkin | maxman: /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/ |
| 21:22.46 | moshii | JohnFlux: loadlin should load the kernel and initrd into memory before switching to the kernel |
| 21:22.59 | ergegeg | I went from 2.6.11 to 2.600.15 |
| 21:23.01 | ergegeg | me usb mouse no work no more |
| 21:23.04 | ergegeg | me usb mouse no work no more !! |
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| 21:23.09 | ergegeg | IT no Work! |
| 21:23.10 | ergegeg | no more |
| 21:23.13 | ergegeg | me sad |
| 21:23.14 | Maulkin | ergegeg: Did you try what I suggested? |
| 21:23.15 | pipeline | ergegeg: Go back to 2.6.11, then. |
| 21:23.29 | Maulkin | ergegeg: And please don't spam the channel |
| 21:23.37 | kself | deadcat: madwifi packages. RTFBR |
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| 21:23.42 | st0ner | ergegeg: buy a firewirde mouse |
| 21:23.46 | d03boy | you need 2.6.15 to install the nvidia drivers I think |
| 21:23.52 | nightwalker | gcc: installation problem, cannot exec `cc1obj': No such file or directory |
| 21:23.56 | pollywog | RTFBR? |
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| 21:24.12 | nightwalker | i have an install problem with swarm program installation. When i am try to make i get the message gcc: installation problem, cannot exec `cc1obj': No such file or directory |
| 21:24.14 | JohnFlux | moshii: I thought so |
| 21:24.27 | maxman | Maulkin: okay. done that |
| 21:24.30 | ergegeg | syslog says nothing |
| 21:24.30 | JohnFlux | moshii: I can't work out why it's failing to boot the initrd :/ |
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| 21:24.37 | nightwalker | which package have i to install ? |
| 21:24.39 | ergegeg | st0ner, that doesn't fix usb does it |
| 21:24.44 | moshii | JohnFlux: does the kernel actually start? |
| 21:24.59 | dvs | nightwalker: build-essential |
| 21:25.00 | pollywog | oh read the fine bug report |
| 21:25.02 | dvs | ? |
| 21:25.06 | ergegeg | I am aware of the change for devfs to udev in 2.6.11 > 2.6.15 |
| 21:25.07 | Maulkin | maxman: Anything in dmesg after the "modprobe -r ipw2100 && modprobe ipw2100" ? |
| 21:25.17 | kself | dpkg: RTFBR is Read the fine bug report |
| 21:25.18 | dpkg | okay, kself |
| 21:25.20 | ergegeg | I would like some help |
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| 21:25.30 | moshii | JohnFlux: loadlin only works on dos based windows.. |
| 21:25.32 | ergegeg | rather then "go back to using other kernel" |
| 21:25.39 | ergegeg | that is just a retards solution |
| 21:25.41 | nightwalker | dvs thanks |
| 21:25.43 | st0ner | ergegeg: what does lsusb say |
| 21:25.53 | dvs | nightwalker: Oh? I was right? ;-) |
| 21:26.09 | ergegeg | Bus 002 Device 007: ID 046d:c03d Logitech, Inc. |
| 21:26.13 | pollywog | it's a good solution unless the old one is causing a problem too ;) |
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| 21:26.20 | maxman | Maulkin: yes. "Detected Intel PRO/Wireless 2100 Network Connection" :) |
| 21:26.27 | nightwalker | dvs: try to install |
| 21:26.29 | JohnFlux | moshii: i have that |
| 21:26.30 | ergegeg | pollywog, the old one can't do fun cryptographic stuff |
| 21:26.31 | Maulkin | maxman: No errors? :) |
| 21:26.36 | ergegeg | that is why I'm upgrading |
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| 21:26.47 | pollywog | ergegeg: I have a similar problem |
| 21:26.47 | ergegeg | and the older one locks up with some opengl stuff |
| 21:26.51 | moshii | JohnFlux: what initrd are you trying to boot with? |
| 21:26.51 | maxman | Maulkin: no errors. now i need co configure it, right? |
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| 21:27.06 | pollywog | I can't recompile 2.6.8 due to compiler error |
| 21:27.16 | Maulkin | maxman: good. Does it appear with "iwconfig" ? |
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| 21:27.22 | pollywog | and 2.6.15 won't give me sound |
| 21:27.25 | nightwalker | dvs: i still get the same message |
| 21:27.34 | WMIIII923 | How do I configure mirrors in the installer? "The installer cannot figure out how to install the base system. No installable CD-ROM was found and no valid mirror was configured." |
| 21:27.43 | maxman | Maulkin: iwconfig: Command not found |
| 21:27.43 | Uri_Mil | hey, to whom can I refer contradictions in the installation manual of the powerpc debian version?(I checked the developer inst notes, it's not fixed there)? |
| 21:27.50 | Maulkin | maxman: As root :) |
| 21:27.53 | ergegeg | fuck |
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| 21:28.02 | ergegeg | no sound for me in .15 either |
| 21:28.02 | pollywog | and I am unable to install or compile alsa-utils |
| 21:28.02 | maxman | Maulkin: I am root |
| 21:28.05 | ergegeg | what the hell |
| 21:28.15 | ergegeg | how did the deb devs fuck this up so much? |
| 21:28.22 | maxman | Maulkin: I'll probably have to apt-get it |
| 21:28.23 | pollywog | I installed the sound drivers but still no sound |
| 21:28.23 | ergegeg | completely fucked up |
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| 21:28.36 | ergegeg | I guess I have to go back to 11 |
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| 21:28.41 | Maulkin | maxman: apt-get install wireless-tools I think |
| 21:28.43 | ergegeg | I wanted to use truecrypt :/ |
| 21:28.44 | pollywog | ergegeg: is it called "testing" for a reason |
| 21:28.49 | nightwalker | does anybody have any idea about the message gcc: installation problem, cannot exec `cc1obj': No such file or directory |
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| 21:28.55 | ergegeg | pollywog, it's not called unstable for a reason |
| 21:29.01 | maxman | Maulkin: installing |
| 21:29.02 | JohnFlux | moshii: sorry for the delay. I've tried lots of initrd's. Currently trying with slackware's install initrd |
| 21:29.08 | maxman | Maulkin: done |
| 21:29.09 | kself | JohnFlux: http://www.cpqlinux.com/sysinit.html "The boot loader loads the kernel and the initial RAM disk" |
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| 21:29.14 | Maulkin | maxman: Now run it |
| 21:29.18 | st0ner | and stable should be called osolete |
| 21:29.19 | Maulkin | "iwconfig" |
| 21:29.32 | kself | JohnFlux: ... so the device / fs support is in the bootloader. Not the kernel. Which is what I thought. |
| 21:29.39 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 21:29.39 | dpkg | <scarynetworkguy> yea any book that has the phrase 'Pig-fisting' in it is gonna be good |
| 21:29.41 | kself | JohnFlux: ... and the kernel is accessing the initrd from RAM. |
| 21:29.42 | maxman | Maulkin: thete's something in eth2 |
| 21:29.42 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 21:29.43 | dpkg | i guess debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 21:29.50 | pollywog | stable was stable but I was unable to install some stuff so I upgraded to testing |
| 21:29.52 | d03boy | if anyone knows how to fix my sound problem, please help me. I need my music! |
| 21:30.01 | pollywog | but that might have been a mistake for me |
| 21:30.05 | tarzeau | d03boy: tried the latest alsa already? |
| 21:30.05 | Maulkin | maxman: There you go, your wireless card is eth2 |
| 21:30.08 | moshii | JohnFlux: what kernel? you might have a cpio image and an older initrd .. or something ;) |
| 21:30.11 | Maulkin | maxman: So it works :) |
| 21:30.12 | maxman | Maulkin: cool |
| 21:30.12 | d03boy | tarzeau, how do I try that? |
| 21:30.21 | heinrich | how can i set the MAC address for my NIC every time the system boots? |
| 21:30.22 | Hessophanes | nightwalker: Seems like it wants to compile some Objective-C code... do you have a gobjc-* package installed? |
| 21:30.25 | maxman | Maulkin: thank you very much! |
| 21:30.29 | JohnFlux | kself: It gets stuck saying "unable to mount fs on unknown(1,0)" |
| 21:30.34 | tarzeau | d03boy: packages.debian.org search the right alsa stuff, the source, get kernel headers, build. install (experimental one) |
| 21:30.35 | amee2k | is there a pdf-to-postscript converter other than pdf2ps that works without segfault? |
| 21:30.35 | d03boy | tarzeau, it was messed up with oss also |
| 21:30.35 | st0ner | apt-get install alsa-base |
| 21:30.37 | JohnFlux | kself: I'm think (1,0) is the ramdisk |
| 21:30.39 | tarzeau | reboot |
| 21:30.42 | maxman | Maulkin: now i only have to configure it somehow |
| 21:30.50 | tarzeau | d03boy: look do try what i told you and stop whining |
| 21:30.53 | kself | JohnFlux: LIANA. Linux assigned names authority. |
| 21:30.54 | Maulkin | maxman: "man iwconfig" |
| 21:30.59 | tarzeau | d03boy: or i'll come over to you and spank you real hard |
| 21:31.02 | moshii | JohnFlux: Um I think it'll tell you can't mount initial ramdisk if the initrd isn't working |
| 21:31.03 | d03boy | ;) |
| 21:31.05 | dvs | o_O |
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| 21:31.12 | JohnFlux | brw-rw---- 1 root disk 1, 0 2006-03-13 18:24 /dev/ram0 |
| 21:31.12 | tarzeau | d03boy: believe me, you'll not enjoy it |
| 21:31.14 | pollywog | the weird thing is that although I get no sound, the modules are loaded |
| 21:31.15 | d03boy | lol |
| 21:31.19 | tarzeau | biatch |
| 21:31.20 | kself | JohnFlux: And yep, 1,0 are major/minor of /dev/ram0 |
| 21:31.24 | sagarp | does anyone know what fonts this guy uses: http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_type=1&screen_id=1326404051441d7d3571feb&m=screen |
| 21:31.26 | d03boy | s/lol/heh |
| 21:31.36 | maxman | Maulkin: okay. i'll read through that. thank you very much again |
| 21:31.40 | ergegeg | pollywog, it's been broken for 2 months, I tried .13 2 months ago |
| 21:31.46 | ergegeg | and went back to 11 |
| 21:31.50 | st0ner | d03boy: did u install alsa-base ?? |
| 21:31.55 | ergegeg | I really wanted to use truecrypt |
| 21:32.04 | dvs | st0ner: alsa-utils is more important |
| 21:32.05 | pollywog | where can I get source for 2.6.11? |
| 21:32.07 | JohnFlux | kself: from DOS, do I need some himem support or something, otherwise where does loadlin put the initrd |
| 21:32.11 | JohnFlux | kself: that's all I can think of |
| 21:32.12 | pollywog | deb sources |
| 21:32.16 | kself | JohnFlux: You should be able to mount up the initrd using cramfs and loopback mount: mount -r -o loop -t cramfs /boot/initrd.img-* /initrd |
| 21:32.20 | kself | JohnFlux: ... or something like that. |
| 21:32.21 | d03boy | st0ner, hell if I know |
| 21:32.23 | kself | JohnFlux: No. |
| 21:32.25 | Maulkin | maxman: Also, have a look at http://www.vollink.com/gary/deb_wifi.html |
| 21:32.31 | Maulkin | maxman: That's not a bad howto |
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| 21:32.37 | moshii | kself: not if it's a newer initrd |
| 21:32.40 | Maulkin | maxman: Anyway, good luck. I'm off. |
| 21:32.41 | st0ner | d03boy: lol?! |
| 21:32.42 | Maulkin | Laters |
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| 21:32.47 | kself | moshii: Do tell. |
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| 21:32.49 | maxman | Maulkin: thank you |
| 21:32.51 | JohnFlux | kself: to test it the initrd? |
| 21:32.58 | Maulkin | maxman: No problems :) |
| 21:33.01 | pollywog | how do I know what I need to compile to be rid of initrd? |
| 21:33.02 | moshii | kself: newer kernels use cpio archive |
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| 21:33.21 | tarzeau | pollywog: filesystem support not as module |
| 21:33.28 | dvs | pollywog: at the very least, your file systems and your IDE controller |
| 21:33.29 | tarzeau | pollywog: and the driver of your sata controller ? |
| 21:33.30 | pollywog | tarzeau: I did that |
| 21:33.37 | tarzeau | pollywog: it worked for me |
| 21:33.37 | moshii | pollywog: a kernel with support for your root fs and ide/scsi/sata controller built in |
| 21:33.49 | pollywog | moshii: thanks |
| 21:33.51 | tarzeau | moshii: do you know german language? |
| 21:34.01 | tarzeau | your nick reminds me so much of mosh girl |
| 21:34.03 | tarzeau | !mosh |
| 21:34.04 | moshii | tarzeau: no, english or japanese |
| 21:34.08 | JohnFlux | pollywog: you could always boot with an initrd, then run "lsmod" to see what modules are loaded |
| 21:34.10 | pollywog | it must be ide or sata that I need |
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| 21:34.21 | nvz | japanese is cool I want to speak japanese :P |
| 21:34.24 | pollywog | JohnFlux: I did that |
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| 21:34.30 | tarzeau | !engrish |
| 21:34.31 | dpkg | i guess engrish is at http://www.engrish.com |
| 21:34.32 | kself | moshii: I thought that was just a RH thing. |
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| 21:34.39 | pollywog | I see that SATA is loaded and also IDE |
| 21:34.41 | JohnFlux | kself: instead of a ram disk (which for some reason isn't working) can I instead dump the initrd directly to a partition somehow |
| 21:34.47 | pollywog | I do not think I need SATA though |
| 21:34.52 | moshii | kself: moshi - if, i - i .. iffy :) |
| 21:35.00 | pollywog | my hd is IDE |
| 21:35.07 | kself | JohnFlux: Depends on the structure. You can mount it and dump it, sure. |
| 21:35.13 | JohnFlux | kself: basically gunzip the initrd.gz then rawrite (or something) directly to /dev/hda2 from windows |
| 21:35.24 | JohnFlux | kself: I only have windows at the moment |
| 21:35.30 | moshii | kself: sorry, wrong person .. no newer kernels are moving away from an fs based initrd |
| 21:35.35 | kself | JohnFlux: Depends on the initrd format. |
| 21:35.47 | kself | moshii: Reference on that? |
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| 21:35.55 | JohnFlux | kself: i don't mind which initrd |
| 21:36.02 | d03boy | tarzeau, so you want me to get the source for the experimental version of alsa? |
| 21:36.02 | kself | JohnFlux: You can always boot a rescue Linux disk using qemu under Windows. |
| 21:36.05 | moshii | kself: look in the kernel :) |
| 21:36.08 | JohnFlux | kself: if I can get anything loaded then I think I'll be fine from that |
| 21:36.14 | JohnFlux | kself: hmm, qemu.. |
| 21:36.18 | tarzeau | d03boy: yes but it's a binary package |
| 21:36.23 | tarzeau | d03boy: not the source package |
| 21:36.23 | JohnFlux | kself: but that will be inside a virtual machine |
| 21:36.27 | twisted` | which file iniatilizes the boot process? cause I need to edit it... cause it's wrong :S I read somewhere it's /sbin/init but that's a binary file |
| 21:36.32 | moshii | kself: I believe the debian initrd-tools packages prefer to build cpio based images now |
| 21:36.36 | kself | JohnFlux: Doesn't fucking matter. You can get to the file from there. |
| 21:36.36 | tarzeau | d03boy: it'll install int /usr/src, you'll unpack it, it'll create /usr/src/modules |
| 21:36.41 | tarzeau | d03boy: you'll debuild it... |
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| 21:36.47 | kself | moshii: O...k. |
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| 21:36.56 | tarzeau | d03boy: can you do that my sweetheart? |
| 21:36.57 | kself | twisted`: /etc/inittab |
| 21:37.03 | twisted` | kself: thanks |
| 21:37.08 | d03boy | tarzeau, i'll try... |
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| 21:37.30 | d03boy | haha |
| 21:37.32 | soapee01 | Can anyone help me get automagical usb drives to mount? I'm on a fresh etch install with kde 3.5, pmount, hal, hal-device-manager, udev (all configs stock). Pmount works from the command line, and I've enabled every option in kde I can think of. |
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| 21:37.44 | Andy298 | how do i check the permissions of a DIR from shell? |
| 21:37.48 | d03boy | do I just need alsa-base? or all of these |
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| 21:37.51 | tarzeau | Andy298: ls -lad or stat |
| 21:37.57 | dvs | d03boy: alsa-utils |
| 21:38.07 | d03boy | ok |
| 21:38.08 | tarzeau | d03boy: alsa-source |
| 21:38.16 | tarzeau | d03boy: only get that from experimental |
| 21:38.30 | tarzeau | soapee01: #debian-kde |
| 21:38.32 | d03boy | wait.. so all I need is the alsa-source? |
| 21:38.37 | tarzeau | d03boy: yes |
| 21:38.39 | d03boy | k |
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| 21:39.09 | pollywog | are there disadvantages to using module-assistant to compile the alsa module? |
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| 21:39.28 | pollywog | maybe I should have done it the old-fashioned way |
| 21:39.30 | wols | shouldn't be needed since alsa is part of the kernel |
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| 21:40.08 | zinx | yay bad flood attempts |
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| 21:40.13 | wols | pollywog: would be nice to see the output of apt-cache show ala-utils |
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| 21:40.31 | kirz | whats the best method sharing NFS & CIFS |
| 21:40.38 | coder_5 | any way to start hdparm from the console on the debian install disc? |
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| 21:40.53 | nightwalker | Hessophanes: installl gobjc packages but i still get the message gcc: installation problem, cannot exec `cc1obj': No such file or directory |
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| 21:41.21 | moshii | coder_5: if it's on the install disc (i don't think it is).. press ctrl alt f2 and enter |
| 21:41.32 | moshii | coder_5: you should get a console |
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| 21:41.43 | pollywog | k |
| 21:41.57 | coder_5 | moshii, it's not contained on the installdisc. at least it's not accessible from the # shell. |
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| 21:42.12 | kirz | any replacment of KICKSTART ? , would like to create an automatic CD installer |
| 21:42.26 | moshii | coder_5: if you have debian install around you could mount it and run it from there |
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| 21:42.29 | nightwalker | Hessophanes: installl gobjc packages but i still get the message gcc: installation problem, cannot exec `cc1obj': No such file or directory |
| 21:42.30 | lilo | +J 8,5 may be a little problematic |
| 21:42.38 | coder_5 | i need to reset the UDMA mode of all drives to pio4. |
| 21:42.45 | Hessophanes | nightwalker: Can you see what the command is that produces that error? |
| 21:42.49 | coder_5 | hell, how to do that.. |
| 21:42.53 | pollywog | !paster |
| 21:42.53 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 21:42.57 | kself | kirz: FAI |
| 21:43.00 | nvz | lilo: people could just ignore joins/parts at this rate |
| 21:43.03 | lilo | +J 15,3 would work better and get fewer false positives |
| 21:43.15 | kself | nvz: I've been doing that for ages. |
| 21:43.16 | tarzeau | lilo: can you incread the number of channels/nickname ? |
| 21:43.18 | moshii | coder_5: because the kernel on the install disc doesn't support your ide chipset properly? |
| 21:43.29 | nvz | kself: I am too high to figure out the syntax right now :P |
| 21:43.32 | kself | tarzeau: What's the issue? |
| 21:43.33 | tarzeau | s,read,rease, |
| 21:43.34 | nvz | kself: tried like 6 times |
| 21:43.36 | lilo | tarzeau: I don't think that would help with a channel attack |
| 21:43.38 | kirz | kself:FAI ? |
| 21:43.43 | zinx | lilo: right now, it's probably not false positives |
| 21:43.51 | tarzeau | kself: 22:40 [gnu] -!- Cannot join to channel #sparc (You have joined to too many channels) |
| 21:43.52 | twisted` | kself: do you happen to know where it configures it should open /dev/console? cause that's where it goes wrong in my init but it's not in inittab |
| 21:43.56 | pollywog | wols: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2182 |
| 21:43.57 | tarzeau | lilo: i don't want to attack a channel |
| 21:43.58 | kself | kirz: kickstart substitute. |
| 21:44.02 | kself | tarzeau: Ah. |
| 21:44.05 | tarzeau | lilo: i just peacefully want to join a few more |
| 21:44.17 | zinx | tarzeau: he can only give you temporary u :( |
| 21:44.18 | nvz | tarzeau: get another nick, link link.. |
| 21:44.34 | lilo | tarzeau: I'm sorry, I think I missed the connection 8) |
| 21:44.38 | tarzeau | nvz: link? |
| 21:44.43 | nightwalker | Hessophanes: when i try to make i get the message you can see it here http://rafb.net/paste/results/Sgns3H33.html |
| 21:44.44 | nvz | yeah link your nicks |
| 21:44.46 | kirz | kself:thanks , great ! , |
| 21:44.49 | tarzeau | nvz: how? |
| 21:44.49 | d03boy | tarzeau, ok I have this: [alsa-driver_1.0.10+1.0.11rc3.orig.tar.gz] |
| 21:44.54 | tarzeau | d03boy: very good |
| 21:44.55 | wols | pollywog: this is NOT ala-utils from unstable. alsa-utils there is 1.0.8-4 |
| 21:45.00 | nvz | tarzeau: /msg nickserv help? |
| 21:45.02 | kself | nvz: /ignore #channel -joins -parts |
| 21:45.05 | kself | nvz: ... I think |
| 21:45.08 | wols | pollywog: what does apt-cache policy alsa-utils say? |
| 21:45.14 | pollywog | wols: the problem is that it wants to remove udev and hal |
| 21:45.18 | tarzeau | nvz: why can i not just /join #a #few #more #channels? |
| 21:45.18 | nvz | kself: na thats invalid. -JOINS -PARTS turns it off though |
| 21:45.29 | tarzeau | nvz: i mean i'm a lazy stupid bum of a user |
| 21:45.52 | Hessophanes | nightwalker: Ok, I'll try something... |
| 21:45.53 | nvz | tarzeau: I didnt write the server :P. but everyone does it.. all the staffers have multiple identities to sit in many channels |
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| 21:46.08 | tarzeau | nvz: but i want to only use one identiyt |
| 21:46.09 | kself | nvz: /ignore #debian joins |
| 21:46.17 | pollywog | wols I had the same problem with the one in unstable but I will try it again |
| 21:46.19 | tarzeau | nvz: i don't want to have different nicks, that sucks |
| 21:46.31 | nightwalker | Hessophanes: ok i am waiting |
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| 21:46.44 | nvz | kself: yeah I tried that one already.. something like /ignore #debian JOINS/PARTS not sure though |
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| 21:46.50 | tarzeau | lilo: i didn't get what you said. you'll do it tonight? |
| 21:46.56 | coder_5 | moshii, that might be.. i'll check that. btw, it'S the highpoint chipset. (some trerribly buggy ugly thing...) |
| 21:47.27 | kself | nvz: /ignore #debian joins quits parts |
| 21:47.37 | coder_5 | moshii, maybe best is to go and by some pci ide extension |
| 21:47.51 | kirz | can NFS mount change a SAMBA share without deleting NTFS permissions ? |
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| 21:47.54 | nvz | kself: yeah thats it |
| 21:48.02 | fpitt | I've just compiled the nvidia driver version 1.0.8178-2 under Debian GNU/Linux testing/unstable, and next, when I started X.org, my system freezed, with no error messages related to the graphic board in the /var/log/Xorg.0.log file. I've a toshiba laptop, with a Geforce4 420 Go graphic board. Can anyone help me? |
| 21:48.33 | cheal | fpitt: what kind of freeze? |
| 21:48.33 | Illarane | *my system froze |
| 21:48.35 | soapee01 | dumb question that I've never figured out. When you install something (eg fluxbox), and decide not to use it, how do you remove it, and all the dependancies that were installed along with it? |
| 21:48.43 | Hessophanes | nightwalker: Which gobcj package is installed? And where does /usr/bin/gcc point to? |
| 21:48.54 | kself | nvz: Give me a hit ;-) |
| 21:48.55 | coder_5 | soapee01, emerge --unmerge something. |
| 21:48.58 | dvs | soapee01: apt-get --purge remove <package> |
| 21:49.06 | dvs | coder_5: o_O |
| 21:49.09 | petemc | soapee01: you need to use aptitude for that feature |
| 21:49.11 | strider | coder_5: wrong channel |
| 21:49.15 | Illarane | coder_5: This is #debian, not #ricers |
| 21:49.16 | nvz | dpkg, hit kself |
| 21:49.19 | Hessophanes | (nightwalker: sorry, typo, s/gobcj/gobjc/) |
| 21:49.20 | coder_5 | hell |
| 21:49.26 | pollywog | wols: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2184 |
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| 21:49.29 | Illarane | lol |
| 21:49.31 | dvs | coder_5: you cover is blown!! |
| 21:49.32 | strider | soapee01: unless you use aptitude, no |
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| 21:49.47 | soapee01 | petemc: ok, I was hoping there was a way with apt-get. guess not |
| 21:49.48 | kself | OK, so I'm using vesafb, I think, but I don't get the penguin image at boot. What's up? |
| 21:50.00 | d03boy | tarzeau, so I should be following the installation guide for this? |
| 21:50.07 | cheal | kself: what do you want to be up? |
| 21:50.10 | kirz | any known kernel changes for heavy IO server ( squid , mainly MEM ) |
| 21:50.10 | kself | nvz: Thanks, man, this is the shiznit. |
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| 21:50.18 | tarzeau | d03boy: just build the kernel modules, install them, reboot |
| 21:50.21 | kself | cheal: Should show a Tux image for the CPU. |
| 21:50.23 | tarzeau | d03boy: it worked for me |
| 21:50.29 | cheal | kself: really? |
| 21:50.31 | petemc | soapee01: you can remove the package with apt-get/dpkg, but for intelligent removal of packages that were installed as dependencies, you need to have used aptitude |
| 21:50.42 | d03boy | ok, i'll see if I can figure out how to build the kernel modules |
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| 21:50.47 | fpitt | cheal: the screen comes black and the only way to make the pc working is to poweroff it |
| 21:50.57 | soapee01 | petemc, would synaptic also do the same thing? |
| 21:50.59 | ubushine | hey folks, new sarge install. seeing this error message every minute in the logs: "parport0: FIFO is stuck" |
| 21:51.06 | petemc | soapee01: no idea |
| 21:51.12 | cheal | fpitt: so it's not possible to login by SSH? |
| 21:51.20 | fpitt | cheal: no |
| 21:51.27 | dvs | ubushine: #ubuntu |
| 21:51.29 | ubushine | lots of reference to it on google but no answers. seems to be a debian-related thing? |
| 21:51.40 | ubushine | dvs i'm on debian |
| 21:51.46 | nvz | ubushine: seems to be an irrelevant thing? |
| 21:51.47 | ubushine | thanks anyway |
| 21:51.49 | kself | ubushine: I'm seeing that on a box of mine as well. |
| 21:51.55 | kself | ubushine: NFC for fix. |
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| 21:52.01 | menko | hi, I don't know if anyone remembers, but I came in earlier and vaguely described a problem the installer for debian sid was giving. I now have a better description, but first off, is it supposed to send me to a bash shell after writing the logs? |
| 21:52.11 | pollywog | wols: I am going to try to compile udev from unstable |
| 21:52.14 | ubushine | kself, NFC? explain please. |
| 21:52.17 | cheal | fpitt: so this happens when X starts, not when the nvidia kernel module is loaded? |
| 21:52.23 | nvz | No Fucking Clue |
| 21:52.35 | kself | ubushine: /msg dpkg nfc |
| 21:52.36 | ubushine | nvz, irrelevant? just ignore it? |
| 21:52.44 | nightwalker | Hessophanes: i install gobjc-3.4 and u can see it http://rafb.net/paste/results/8vmvhH36.html |
| 21:52.46 | fpitt | cheal: this happens when X starts, the nvidia kernel module is loaded fine |
| 21:53.04 | wols | pollywog: you are mixing packages from all over the trees. if I squit real hard probably from other distros. and you wonder why nothing works? |
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| 21:53.17 | nvz | ubushine: pretty much unless you want to take out the driver or recompile until you figure out why its spewing errors on your particular chipset |
| 21:53.18 | strider | fpitt: anything in ~/.xsession-errors? |
| 21:53.21 | d03boy | can anyone tell me how to build and install the kernel modules for the experimental alsa package |
| 21:53.22 | ubushine | kself, do you get the message every minute? |
| 21:53.23 | tarzeau | !bobbitt |
| 21:53.23 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
| 21:53.25 | Karsonjey_ | Salve |
| 21:53.32 | tarzeau | d03boy: debuild, then dpkg -i *.deb |
| 21:53.36 | Hessophanes | nightwalker: Ok... but what does /usr/bin/gcc point to? gobjc-3.4 won't be found if /usr/bin/gcc is a symlink to gcc-3.3 ... ;) |
| 21:53.37 | Karsonjey_ | good morning |
| 21:53.38 | ubushine | nvz, so just ignore it? |
| 21:53.39 | tarzeau | d03boy: checked /usr/src yet? |
| 21:53.43 | dvs | debuild? |
| 21:53.47 | d03boy | i'm kind of confused |
| 21:53.49 | tarzeau | dvs: yes |
| 21:53.53 | kself | ubushine: Something like |
| 21:53.57 | pollywog | wols: not from other distros |
| 21:54.05 | d03boy | i just untarred the file i downloaded |
| 21:54.07 | pollywog | testing and some unstable |
| 21:54.07 | cheal | fpitt: if NVIDIA's README doesn't answer your question, and X's log as well as syslog does not give you any clue, ask #nvidia |
| 21:54.08 | tarzeau | dvs: because dpkg-buildpackage is not umlaut safe |
| 21:54.15 | dvs | ok |
| 21:54.15 | tarzeau | d03boy: very good |
| 21:54.18 | pollywog | but the system started out sarge |
| 21:54.21 | tarzeau | d03boy: go go go, boy |
| 21:54.21 | menko | here is the syslog from the installation: http://pastebin.com/611373 |
| 21:54.22 | fpitt | strider: nothing. The /var/log/X.org.0.log does not contain any message related to the nvidia driver too |
| 21:54.28 | dvs | fetch the stick. |
| 21:54.30 | ubushine | kself, no harm no foul? |
| 21:54.32 | d03boy | I am still confused on what I am supposed to do next |
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| 21:54.52 | tarzeau | d03boy: cd into the dir tar created |
| 21:54.54 | nvz | ubushine: like people who have Spurious 8259A Interrupt IRQ 7 scrolling down their console from their buggy chipset |
| 21:54.57 | tarzeau | d03boy: and type debuild |
| 21:54.59 | d03boy | k |
| 21:55.09 | kself | ubushine: Haven't had the time to dick with it. |
| 21:55.15 | nvz | ubushine: fix it, remove it, or ignore it. |
| 21:55.29 | d03boy | command not found :O |
| 21:55.31 | tarzeau | d03boy: dogs don't say k, they say "woof woof" |
| 21:55.33 | nightwalker | Hessophanes: how can i understand what does /usr/bin/gcc point to what isn't it a self executable program |
| 21:55.39 | tarzeau | d03boy: install it? |
| 21:55.42 | ubushine | kself, ok cheers. weird though i had ubuntu and damn small linux on the same box and never seen the error |
| 21:55.47 | tarzeau | nightwalker: ls -la it |
| 21:55.50 | Hessophanes | nightwalker: No, /usr/bin/gcc is usually a symlink to /usr/bin/gcc-(current default version). |
| 21:55.58 | kookaburra | pollywog, it started out sarge until you grafted other stuff into it. would you install suse packages into redhat? |
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| 21:56.08 | nvz | ubushine: maybe you never had that driver loaded |
| 21:56.14 | kself | ubushine: If it's *really* regular, may be a cronjob. |
| 21:56.15 | ubushine | nvz, if i knew to fix it i would. how do i remove it? |
| 21:56.18 | nvz | ubushine: or you had a patched version |
| 21:56.32 | d03boy | anyone know what package debuild is in? |
| 21:56.35 | nvz | ubushine: removing it is not loading the driver, or recompiling without support for it |
| 21:56.43 | dvs | !find debuild sarge |
| 21:56.44 | azeem | d03boy: dpkg-dev, proabbly |
| 21:56.46 | tarzeau | dvs: devscripts |
| 21:56.47 | dondelelcaro | lilo: uh... 15,3 would mean more false positives |
| 21:56.52 | tarzeau | s,dvs,d03boy, |
| 21:56.52 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'debuild' (2): (/usr/bin/{cvs-debuild|debuild}) in devel/devscripts ;; (/usr/lib/pbuilder/pdebuild-internal, /usr/bin/{debuild-pbuilder|pdebuild}) in devel/pbuilder. |
| 21:56.55 | pollywog | kookaburra: that is not a valid comparison |
| 21:56.56 | strider | fpitt: hmm, then try nv ? |
| 21:56.58 | ubushine | nvz, removing the paraport0? |
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| 21:57.15 | fpitt | stray_: nv works |
| 21:57.16 | nightwalker | tubifex:/usr/bin# ls -la it |
| 21:57.16 | nightwalker | ls: it: No such file or directory |
| 21:57.16 | nightwalker | tubifex:/usr/bin# ls -la gcc |
| 21:57.16 | nightwalker | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Jan 1 2003 gcc -> gcc-3.3 |
| 21:57.16 | nightwalker | tubifex:/usr/bin# |
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| 21:57.24 | fpitt | strider: nv works |
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| 21:57.28 | dondelelcaro | lilo: since that would be at most 3 people every 45 seconds... we get far more people than that in this channel legitimately |
| 21:57.36 | pollywog | if I can't fix all of this I will go back to sarge |
| 21:57.36 | nvz | ubushine: thats what I was thinking |
| 21:57.38 | kookaburra | I thought I read that you installed .deb packages from other debian based distros into sarge. if that is true then it is valid. if not then ignore me. |
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| 21:57.58 | Hessophanes | nightwalker: Ah, so it's pointing to gcc-3.3 - so the package you need is gobjc-3.3 . |
| 21:58.00 | ubushine | nvz, so paraport0 is a module? i'm looking, can't find it |
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| 21:58.11 | pollywog | no, I had installed from sarge sources to Xandros on another syste |
| 21:58.14 | strider | fpitt: all you can do then is try another version of the binary diver then |
| 21:58.18 | dvs | kookaburra: not true |
| 21:58.32 | nightwalker | Hessophanes: hmm ok i am trying |
| 21:58.40 | pollywog | kookaburra: good memory there, I said that several days ago |
| 21:58.44 | kookaburra | xandros is not sarge anymore than ubuntu breezy badger is. |
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| 21:58.55 | nvz | ubushine: I have no idea what it is I know absolutly nothing about your system, what you are running or what modules you have. I just know you got a harmless warning that is best ignored |
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| 21:59.11 | pollywog | although I used an nvidia confi from Xandros on this system and it works great |
| 21:59.14 | kookaburra | I still stand by the comparison. |
| 21:59.17 | ubushine | nvz, ok cheers |
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| 21:59.29 | delox99 | hi all |
| 21:59.31 | pollywog | kookaburra: Xandros uses Debian sarge packages |
| 21:59.40 | pollywog | and some of their own |
| 21:59.42 | delox99 | i have little question |
| 21:59.53 | dvs | delox99: allez-y |
| 21:59.56 | delox99 | is it possible to patch a debian package? |
| 22:00.10 | delox99 | or i can only patch sources? |
| 22:00.24 | kookaburra | since I used to run xandros 2 years ago, I also remember then warning users of breakage when using debian packages. |
| 22:00.27 | nvz | delox99: to patch a debian package you would patch the source |
| 22:00.35 | pollywog | so your comparison is invalid as it does not relate to the system with which I have a problem |
| 22:00.36 | nvz | delox99: then reconstruct the package |
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| 22:00.44 | rosco_ | t |
| 22:00.44 | pollywog | kookaburra: that is different now |
| 22:00.49 | pollywog | with X3 |
| 22:00.56 | delox99 | ok then how would i do this? |
| 22:00.56 | pollywog | so long as one pins their apt |
| 22:00.56 | kookaburra | ok. |
| 22:01.02 | d03boy | where is the sourcecode tree for this? debuild is complaining |
| 22:01.08 | delox99 | use the source package |
| 22:01.13 | delox99 | intall it |
| 22:01.17 | pollywog | and does not UPGRADE from sarge |
| 22:01.18 | delox99 | then patch it |
| 22:01.22 | delox99 | then repackage? |
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| 22:02.06 | nvz | delox99: apt-get source package, dumps the source into the current directory, patch, dhmake or whatever |
| 22:02.39 | delox99 | what s dhmake? |
| 22:03.13 | nvz | delox99: apt-get install developers-reference maint-guide |
| 22:03.18 | d03boy | i have no clue how to do this debuild crap |
| 22:03.24 | nvz | http://www.debian.org/devel. |
| 22:03.27 | nvz | http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 22:04.00 | delox99 | could i get the source package then unpack, patch and install directly without repackaging? |
| 22:04.15 | nvz | yeah but it would not be installed within the package system |
| 22:04.22 | delox99 | i see |
| 22:04.35 | nvz | would recommend if you know how to build normally to install into /opt/ or /usr/local/ so it doesnt get confused |
| 22:04.37 | d03boy | tarzeau, debuild istn working |
| 22:05.01 | delox99 | im trying to install qmail but the package i used does not include a patch i need |
| 22:05.34 | delox99 | build normally you mean make install? |
| 22:05.40 | nvz | *nod* |
| 22:05.49 | nightwalker | Hessophanes: thanks for your help i solve it but now make gives me another meaningless error http://rafb.net/paste/results/W1Gtn176.html |
| 22:06.04 | maxman | Hi. I have an USB mouse thet I want to be autodetected. When I have the mouse plugged in at boot, it works perfectly. But if I just plug it in a some time it doesn't work. But it's listed in lsusb. I thought I have to install hotplug, so I typed apt-get ... and then hotplug wanted to remove my kernel or something. Does anyone know how I can get thet mouse to work? |
| 22:06.19 | nightwalker | Hessophanes: do u have any idea ? |
| 22:06.32 | ramzez | Does someone succeed in compiling wine ? I have this bug when I try : http://www.archivum.info/linux.debian.bugs.dist/2005-12/msg05085.html |
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| 22:06.53 | Hessophanes | nightwalker: missing seems to be a tool from the automake suite... |
| 22:07.06 | nvz | ramzez: #winehq |
| 22:07.12 | nightwalker | hmm i am looking |
| 22:07.23 | cjaymes | maxman, your problem is likely with X windows, not your hardware or config for it |
| 22:07.52 | maxman | cjaymes: hmm.. so what could i do? |
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| 22:08.02 | ramzez | nvz: are you sure it's not a problem with debian package ? |
| 22:08.04 | cjaymes | maxman, when X windows starts up it looks at whatever it has been config'd to look at for mice; once only & you can't change w/o restarting x |
| 22:08.07 | Hessophanes | nightwalker: Funny that the makefile expects missing to be found in $PATH... but maybe it has adjusted $PATH beforehand. |
| 22:08.14 | Bucciarati | any screen(1) users willing to test a to-be-released patch? |
| 22:08.24 | d03boy | I downloaded tis... now I am supposed to debuild it, but how do I do that? Debuild says there isnt a changelog [alsa-driver_1.0.10+1.0.11rc3.orig.tar.gz] |
| 22:08.28 | cjaymes | maxman, one work around is to use /dev/input/mice which is a combined mouse device |
| 22:08.46 | menko | okay, so this is what happens when I try to install debian from a sid snapshot(even though the installation says etch, the cdrom and the place I dled it from says it's sid) |
| 22:08.47 | menko | First it says detecting hardware to find cdrom drivers. |
| 22:08.53 | menko | Then it says scanning cdrom. |
| 22:08.58 | menko | No kernel modules were found, probably a kernel mismatch. |
| 22:09.06 | menko | then it asks if I want to continue anyway, and when I do, it checks the integrity of the cdrom, and it says it passes. |
| 22:09.11 | dondelelcaro | menko: where did you get it from? |
| 22:09.14 | nvz | ramzez: compiling wine isnt really on topic here regaurdless. this channel is mostly debian users who probably never even thought of compiling wine in their lives.. now #winehq has wine developers who probably compile wine all the time. |
| 22:09.15 | maxman | cjaymes: is that in xorg.conf? |
| 22:09.16 | menko | And then theres a priority thing, and then I write the logs to a floppy, and then it sends me to a shell and I don't know what to do... |
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| 22:09.26 | dondelelcaro | menko: AFAIK, there aren't any sid snapshots, they're only testing. |
| 22:09.29 | menko | dondelelcaro: from a debian.org link |
| 22:09.34 | dondelelcaro | menko: which one? |
| 22:09.35 | cjaymes | maxman, yes, in one of input sections |
| 22:09.35 | menko | i'll go get it |
| 22:09.53 | menko | http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ |
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| 22:09.59 | menko | fsn://HU images for the "unstable" distribution on CD (amd64 and i386, regenerated weekly), mirrors |
| 22:10.11 | maxman | cjaymes: I can see an entry with /dev/input/mice there |
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| 22:10.25 | cjaymes | maxman, ok, that's one step |
| 22:10.25 | dondelelcaro | menko: don't use those |
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| 22:10.45 | menko | ok.. |
| 22:10.48 | cjaymes | maxman, do you have any mouse at all plugged in when you start up? |
| 22:10.49 | nightwalker | Hessophanes: i install automake but i still get the same message what can i do for this |
| 22:10.50 | menko | which ones should I use? |
| 22:11.02 | maxman | cjaymes: yes, a touchpad |
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| 22:11.08 | dondelelcaro | menko: either the beta2 etch d-i, or a recent etch nightly. |
| 22:11.25 | ramzez | nvz: on #winehq, they will tell me that my problem come from the debian package. I don't know if you have read the link I posted, but it seems clear to me. So, I will post a bug report to the maintainer. Thanks ;) |
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| 22:11.31 | menko | this one: fsn://HU images for the "testing" distribution on CD (amd64 and i386, regenerated weekly), mirrors |
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| 22:11.35 | menko | ? |
| 22:11.37 | dondelelcaro | menko: no. |
| 22:11.44 | nvz | ramzez: as for the answer to your question, its "yes". someone has succeeded in compiling wine. because someone packages binary versions for debian. I suggest you rephrase your question to the developers then if you need to know something debian specific as that. |
| 22:11.50 | cjaymes | maxman, is that section the only mouse section in your xorg.conf? |
| 22:11.54 | Hessophanes | nightwalker: Did you get the makefile along with the source, or was it generated by the autotools? |
| 22:11.54 | menko | what's wrong with those ones? Do they give lots of problems? |
| 22:11.59 | dondelelcaro | menko: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 22:12.06 | ramzez | nvz: ok |
| 22:12.13 | dondelelcaro | menko: assuming you want to install testing; the stable netinst otherwise. |
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| 22:12.17 | maxman | cjaymes: no. there's also /dev/psaux |
| 22:12.21 | Hessophanes | nightwalker: Dirty fix: Adjust the call of missing to include the full path (/usr/share/automake-...) |
| 22:12.33 | menko | so when I've installed that can I make an installation cdrom in case I want to reinstall? |
| 22:12.40 | menko | (I find I break stuff easily) |
| 22:12.52 | d03boy | why wont debuild work |
| 22:13.16 | tarzeau | d03boy: what does it say? |
| 22:13.22 | dondelelcaro | d03boy: you'll have to give way more information than that. |
| 22:13.24 | nightwalker | Hessophanes: i try dirty fix but i cant understant what have i to do exactly |
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| 22:13.39 | cjaymes | maxman, ok, that's your touchpad; you have two options: when you plug in the new mouse, you can restart Xwindows (sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart) or configure the touchpad to be under /dev/input/mice |
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| 22:14.17 | d03boy | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2185 |
| 22:14.23 | Hessophanes | nightwalker: Oh, wait a sec... |
| 22:14.46 | cjaymes | maxman, unfortunately, I don't remember exactly how to do that, but if you google for linux <touchpad model> you shouldn't be far off |
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| 22:14.49 | Hessophanes | nightwalker: I might have directed you to the wrong "missing" (I could only guess, and it seems I guessed wrong ;) )... |
| 22:14.55 | menko | so how come the unstable snapshot with the etch installer won't work? |
| 22:14.59 | aronofsky | hi |
| 22:15.02 | Hessophanes | nightwalker: Take a look at this: http://www.swarm.org/pipermail/support/2003-March/013294.html |
| 22:15.03 | tarzeau | d03boy: oh. did you get the alsa-driver source ball from where? |
| 22:15.05 | menko | are there any possible fixes I can try? |
| 22:15.16 | dondelelcaro | menko: because whoever built it didn't know what they were doing. Use the etch nightly. |
| 22:15.17 | maxman | cjaymes: i think i'll do that. thanks! |
| 22:15.24 | cjaymes | maxman, np |
| 22:15.24 | dondelelcaro | d03boy: uh... debuild is used for building a Debian package; that's not a Debian package. |
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| 22:15.42 | menko | ok, I guess I'll try that, thanks for the help |
| 22:15.54 | tarzeau | d03boy: get this: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/alsa-driver/alsa-source_1.0.10+1.0.11rc3-1_all.deb |
| 22:16.04 | tarzeau | d03boy: then dpkg -i it |
| 22:16.07 | tarzeau | d03boy: go /usr/src |
| 22:16.13 | menko | once I've downloaded the netinstall image, can I install unstable? |
| 22:16.15 | tarzeau | d03boy: unpack the alsawhatever.tar.gz |
| 22:16.23 | tarzeau | d03boy: cd modules/alsa* and then run debuild |
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| 22:16.31 | tarzeau | menko: yes |
| 22:16.39 | d03boy | ah, lol |
| 22:16.42 | d03boy | no wonder I was confused |
| 22:16.46 | d03boy | s/lol/heh |
| 22:17.03 | cjaymes | anyone know how to get freeloader to only download/torrent one file at a time? |
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| 22:17.34 | tarzeau | what's wrong if you kelloggs corn flakes looks like dog food? |
| 22:17.42 | aronofsky | hi , im looking for a good video player , but neither mplayer nor VLC are availble from apt , what can I install ? |
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| 22:17.59 | tarzeau | aronofsky: build mplayer from source |
| 22:18.03 | menko | ok, so, can I get the netinstall image to install from the cds I downloaded instead? It won't be fun for me to download all that stuff after download 2 cds of stufff. |
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| 22:18.16 | evaded | aronofsky: xine is nice |
| 22:18.43 | ludwig_ | Hallo! |
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| 22:18.53 | d03boy | bah, how do I unzip bz2? |
| 22:18.56 | Nakko | Hello! |
| 22:19.13 | dondelelcaro | menko: assuming it's the right version, yes. |
| 22:19.13 | tarzeau | d03boy: bunzip2 |
| 22:19.13 | dondelelcaro | d03boy: bzip2 -d |
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| 22:19.13 | ludwig_ | I have a problem while programming a small tool in Perl ... |
| 22:19.14 | ludwig_ | Maybe someone can help? |
| 22:19.14 | evaded | d03boy: look to the pkg 'unp' |
| 22:19.17 | dondelelcaro | ludwig_: #perl is probably a better place to ask |
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| 22:19.20 | tarzeau | ludwig_: at least we can't read mind |
| 22:19.27 | menko | dondelelcaro: ok that's cool, so it's only an extra 100mb or so I have to download. Thanks again |
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| 22:19.29 | nightwalker | Hessophanes: mm so i will install emacs :) |
| 22:19.36 | Nakko | d03boy, that or if it's a .tar.bz2, do tar -xjvf blah.tar.bz2 |
| 22:19.40 | ludwig_ | dondelelcaro, thx |
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| 22:20.20 | evaded | d03boy: unp - unpack (almost) everything with one command |
| 22:20.34 | d03boy | cool... 50 ways to skin a cat |
| 22:20.37 | aronofsky | evaded, its not available from apt , |
| 22:20.39 | Hessophanes | nightwalker: :) |
| 22:20.46 | ubushine | nvz, i found the parport, it was connected to lp and parport_pc. unloaded them all and now it's fine. i don't even have a printer so i think i'll be alrgiht. thanks for the tips |
| 22:20.59 | tarzeau | or zipper.app if you want some gui app to do it |
| 22:21.07 | evaded | aronofsky: it's in the non-free i think |
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| 22:21.35 | ubushine | nvz, cheers |
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| 22:22.16 | Nakko | I have a keyboard problem, if anyone is fermiliar with xmodmap (or whatever appropriate tool). |
| 22:22.18 | aronofsky | evaded, doesnt seem to |
| 22:22.20 | Nakko | I cannot type a tilde by pressing Shift+`. This, even though `xmodmap -pke` reports: keycode 49 = grave asciitilde -- seemingly as it should be? |
| 22:22.36 | Red_Cloud | My distro is etch. I am having trouble with xsane and quiteinsane. They will not recognize my umax astra 1200s scanner. Scanimage works. Scanadf works. So sane communicates with my scanner but the frontends do not. Help? |
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| 22:22.48 | Nakko | Now, this is only in X-Windows, at a tty, or via OpenSSH or something, tilde types as it should when I want. |
| 22:22.56 | j1 | Ahoy all. |
| 22:22.58 | evaded | aronofsky: Strange, i have it here on my system; also an apt-cache search find i really. |
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| 22:23.22 | Nakko | So far as I can tell, tilde is the only key on my keyboard that suffers from this. |
| 22:23.31 | j1 | What will it take to get USB working with Debian and the 2.6 kernel? |
| 22:23.35 | d03boy | debulding is fun! |
| 22:23.50 | Stevie | debulding? |
| 22:23.51 | evaded | aronofsky: I think it concern the 'source.list' that are not the same; it's look that i have an line more or so |
| 22:23.55 | tarzeau | d03boy: and making new pakcages is even more fun |
| 22:24.16 | tarzeau | d03boy: feels like gentoo without being Hallu? |
| 22:24.19 | d03boy | and errors are cool too :\ |
| 22:24.19 | tarzeau | Stevie: running debuild |
| 22:24.21 | ludwig_ | how can I change the charset in IRC? FOrgot the command, sorry! |
| 22:24.31 | tarzeau | ludwig_: which irc? |
| 22:24.34 | j1 | I can get USB working with the 2.4 kernel, but not my ethernet card. |
| 22:24.42 | d03boy | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2186 |
| 22:24.44 | ludwig_ | tarzeau, here, xchat |
| 22:24.47 | j1 | I can't get USB working with the 2.6 kernel, but I can get my ethernet card. |
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| 22:25.11 | tarzeau | d03boy: ah wait |
| 22:25.28 | tarzeau | d03boy: run something like this: KVERS=2.4.31 KSRC=/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.4.31 debian/rules binary-modules |
| 22:25.34 | tarzeau | d03boy: what says uname -a? |
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| 22:25.42 | d03boy | Linux mrslave 2.6.15-1-686 #2 Mon Mar 6 15:27:08 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 22:25.59 | tarzeau | d03boy: do you have kernel-headers-2.6.15-1 installed? |
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| 22:26.08 | d03boy | i doubt it |
| 22:26.14 | tarzeau | d03boy: do it sweety |
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| 22:26.19 | d03boy | k honey |
| 22:26.25 | Stevie | wtf |
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| 22:27.00 | unstable | What is that program that you can make simple curses programs with? Like menus and stuff. |
| 22:27.16 | tarzeau | unstable: iselect ? |
| 22:27.16 | d03boy | ncurses? |
| 22:27.18 | j1 | I get the error that ohci_hcd PCI debice 10de:005a (nVidia Corporation) USB HC TakeOver Failed. |
| 22:27.34 | bkudria | i think debian killed my libc...compiling kernel 2.6.15.6 on sid breaks in different places each time (sample errors found here: disflux.com/~bkudria/errors.txt)...i've run memtest86+ overnight, and it showed 0 errors (8 passes) so it is not a hardware/memory problem...what do I do? |
| 22:27.34 | j1 | Couldn't Restart. |
| 22:27.41 | nkuttler | unstable: dialog? |
| 22:28.23 | j1 | Google isn't helping. |
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| 22:28.36 | unstable | I dunno, someone did a presentation at my lug and made curses programs in 3 seconds. I can't remember the name of it. |
| 22:29.20 | tarzeau | unstable: did it have colors? |
| 22:30.07 | j1 | I'm not sure how I can make the changes to the 2.6 kernel, since my keyboard is USB. |
| 22:30.17 | unstable | tarzeau: yes |
| 22:30.18 | j1 | And Legacy USB support isn't working. |
| 22:30.21 | Red_Cloud | Does anyone have a Umax Astra 1200S scanner configured on their Linux? |
| 22:30.31 | tarzeau | unstable: which colors? |
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| 22:30.38 | unstable | !tell Red_Cloud about anyone |
| 22:30.48 | unstable | tarzeau: I can't remember. |
| 22:31.00 | strider | unstable: zenity? |
| 22:31.01 | j1 | Sorry Red_Cloud. :\ |
| 22:31.22 | BACbKA | unstable: whiptail? |
| 22:31.37 | unstable | zenity |
| 22:31.40 | unstable | thanks strider |
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| 22:31.50 | BACbKA | red_cloud: I have a 1220S |
| 22:31.53 | strider | !win me |
| 22:31.54 | dpkg | Congratulations, strider! You have won a one way ticket to Nova Scotia! |
| 22:32.37 | d03boy | tarzeau, this debuild guy keeps going into my 2.6.11 directory even though I installed the kernel headers for 2.6.15 |
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| 22:32.37 | nkuttler | isn't zenity gtk-based? |
| 22:32.37 | Red_Cloud | OK, here goes. I believe that I do not have my umax.conf file configured correctly. If anyone has a good configuration for this scanner, could you please help me configure mine? |
| 22:32.37 | tarzeau | this is not #trivia hehe |
| 22:32.38 | d03boy | actually they were the linux-headers |
| 22:32.38 | d03boy | i dont know if that makes a difference |
| 22:32.38 | BACbKA | red_cloud: again, it's 1220S here, not 1200S, will that fit? |
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| 22:32.46 | Red_Cloud | BACbKA I am having conf problems with my 1200S. Could you help me? |
| 22:33.03 | BACbKA | Red_Cloud: I can try. |
| 22:33.15 | ifvoid | ARGRGRG |
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| 22:33.27 | j1 | Does anyone here have a Chaintech Mobo? |
| 22:33.27 | BACbKA | Red_Cloud: 1st thing, are you absolutely sure there're no hardware problems? do you see the scanner in the /proc/scsi/scsi? |
| 22:33.33 | j1 | Or an nForce 4 chipset? |
| 22:33.35 | ifvoid | could we at least block this petsupermarket from sending mail to debian.org addresses? |
| 22:33.47 | tarzeau | ifvoid: oh yes that sucks! |
| 22:34.18 | tarzeau | albeit i'd like to buy some pet toys |
| 22:34.38 | dondelelcaro | ifvoid: if it were that easy, we'd have already done it |
| 22:34.58 | j1 | Just to be certain, can anyone see me in the room? |
| 22:35.01 | dondelelcaro | no |
| 22:35.02 | ifvoid | dondelelcaro: well, it won't solve the mailinglist problem, but it would at least block some of their mail |
| 22:35.06 | tarzeau | !room |
| 22:35.06 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 22:35.09 | j1 | Channel. |
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| 22:35.24 | j1 | Well that's reassuring. |
| 22:35.28 | dondelelcaro | ifvoid: someone is blind forwarding messages to that address; the bounce messages sent out have failed to indicate who sent them. |
| 22:35.28 | BACbKA | j1: I can only see your typing, but I don't see you in my room. |
| 22:35.29 | d03boy | anyone know why this debuild is using the wrong kernel headers? |
| 22:35.43 | BACbKA | Red_Cloud? |
| 22:35.47 | strider | !test j1 |
| 22:35.47 | dpkg | Testing j1... *****$$#$ |
| 22:35.48 | tarzeau | d03boy: got the command i gave you above, still? |
| 22:35.54 | d03boy | which one's that? |
| 22:35.55 | ifvoid | dondelelcaro: yeah, but the message are sent _to_ my debian.org address |
| 22:36.02 | ifvoid | so that could be easily blocked |
| 22:36.07 | dondelelcaro | ifvoid: block them with a procmail script? |
| 22:36.08 | tarzeau | d03boy: KVERS=2.4.31 KSRC=/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.4.31 debian/rules binary-modules |
| 22:36.09 | d03boy | oh ya |
| 22:36.10 | d03boy | silly me |
| 22:36.12 | nightwalker | Hessophanes: i install emacs but i still get that message :( |
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| 22:36.15 | Red_Cloud | BACbKA the file /proc/scsi/scsi is a blank file of 0 bytes |
| 22:36.19 | d03boy | forgot about that one |
| 22:36.29 | BACbKA | Red_Cloud: forget umax.conf, dude |
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| 22:36.30 | bab_ | Hello, trying to install ipw2200 through the deb packages failed me, any1 tried and succeeded? |
| 22:36.36 | ifvoid | dondelelcaro: well, it's detected as spam anyway, so that's a bit overkill |
| 22:36.45 | ifvoid | bab_: works perfectly here |
| 22:36.46 | BACbKA | Red_Cloud: you haven't configured your SCSI driver properly |
| 22:36.56 | strider | !tell bab_ about ipw2200 |
| 22:37.00 | ifvoid | bab_: although it's in the vanilla kernel nowadays |
| 22:37.03 | bkudria | i think debian killed my libc...compiling kernel 2.6.15.6 on sid breaks in different places each time (sample errors found here: disflux.com/~bkudria/errors.txt)...i've run memtest86+ overnight, and it showed 0 errors (8 passes) so it is not a hardware/memory problem...what do I do? |
| 22:37.10 | bab_ | ifvoid: what kernel u runing? |
| 22:37.11 | tarzeau | bkudria: don't repeat |
| 22:37.16 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 22:37.16 | dpkg | <ricky_clarkson> abrotman: My mum loves me when I've got surplus cash, like most women. |
| 22:37.17 | Hessophanes | nightwalker: Hm - could you show me the makefile? |
| 22:37.19 | ifvoid | bab_: 2.6.15 |
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| 22:37.21 | strider | bab_: did you follow the steps? |
| 22:37.26 | ifvoid | oh, hold on, this is #debian |
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| 22:37.32 | dondelelcaro | ifvoid: I kill so many of them now that I don't even pay attention to it... I probably don't even see any of them... |
| 22:37.37 | unstable | strider / BACbKA should I use zenity or whiptail? either of you can tell me the differences in one sentence? |
| 22:37.43 | Red_Cloud | BACbKA that is most probably very likely. Should I run dpkg reconfigure scsi ? |
| 22:37.45 | bab_ | ifvoid: Installed it with the sf drivers? |
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| 22:37.52 | bkudria | tarzeau, sorry :( |
| 22:38.06 | BACbKA | Red_Cloud: you need to have a kernel with an appropriate SCSI driver support for your SCSI adapter |
| 22:38.12 | ifvoid | bab_: no, it's in the kernel |
| 22:38.15 | bab_ | ifvoid: I mean, what driver version do u have? |
| 22:38.21 | bab_ | ifvoid: ok |
| 22:38.25 | ifvoid | and before that, I used the debian package source |
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| 22:38.32 | BACbKA | Red_Cloud: do an lspci | grep -i scsi, and let's see what you have there! |
| 22:38.43 | tarzeau | bkudria: can you try a different gcc version? |
| 22:38.56 | BACbKA | Red_Cloud (I pray that you don't have a non-PCI card) |
| 22:39.01 | bab_ | ifvoid: did u go the module-assistant way? |
| 22:39.08 | ifvoid | jep |
| 22:39.11 | strider | bab_: 2.6.15 and later have it in the kernel itself |
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| 22:39.37 | Red_Cloud | BACbLKA 0000:03:01.0 SCSI storage controller: Adaptec AHA-7850 (rev 03) |
| 22:39.43 | bab_ | but that fails for me :( will not compile :( is kernel 2.6.15.6 a bad 1 to use for this? |
| 22:39.52 | bkudria | tarzeau, i could...but my current kernel is compiled with 4.0, so i don't think that is the problem....i'd wanna fix 4.0 as opposed to ignoring the problem and having it pop up later :) |
| 22:39.57 | BACbKA | unstable: go look at the dpkg description for both, and these should give you even > 1 sentence :) |
| 22:39.58 | bkudria | tarzeau, but i'll try |
| 22:39.58 | ifvoid | !doesn't work |
| 22:39.58 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 22:40.07 | bab_ | do they work right of the box? |
| 22:40.14 | strider | bab_: you don't need to compile. just get the firmware |
| 22:40.17 | tarzeau | bkudria: good luck, i can't help you |
| 22:40.27 | tarzeau | bkudria: repeat it in 8 and 16 hours again, your question |
| 22:40.58 | BACbKA | Red_Cloud: su |
| 22:41.06 | bkudria | tarzeau, :) i will, thanks |
| 22:41.07 | BACbKA | Red_Cloud: modprobe -v aic7xxx |
| 22:41.07 | poonj | hey guys |
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| 22:41.12 | nightwalker | Hessophanes: ok http://rafb.net/paste/results/k7k0AC54.html here it is |
| 22:41.16 | poonj | is it possible to use wget to determine the size of a file? |
| 22:41.20 | poonj | before downloading |
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| 22:41.37 | maelztrom | Please forgive me if this is the wrong room (or better yet send me to the right place), lately when I check my uptime, my load average is consistantly at or near one. Monitoring top reveals no program ever eating more than 1% cpu, and ps aux shows nothing obviously suspect. Anybody have any idea on how to find out what's running 'in the background' ? |
| 22:41.40 | ifvoid | bkudria: have you tried reinstalling gcc and libc? |
| 22:41.50 | tarzeau | !room |
| 22:41.50 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 22:41.53 | ifvoid | maelztrom: maybe zombies? |
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| 22:41.56 | bkudria | ifvoid, yes! if only it was so easy |
| 22:42.00 | bab_ | strider: but what driver do i have to enable in the config? |
| 22:42.03 | dondelelcaro | maelztrom: if something is in iosleep, you'll see that. |
| 22:42.03 | ifvoid | maelztrom: check ps aux output for Z processes |
| 22:42.08 | d03boy | tarzeau, I have two 2.6.15-1 directories... one has a -686 at the end |
| 22:42.09 | tarzeau | maelztrom: sorted by P ? |
| 22:42.13 | ifvoid | bkudria: and this is i386? |
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| 22:42.14 | dondelelcaro | ifvoid: Z won't do that... only D will... |
| 22:42.19 | maelztrom | sorted by P? |
| 22:42.20 | bkudria | ifvoid, but maybe i did something wrong? i installed a previouse version without removing the current |
| 22:42.22 | tarzeau | d03boy: i'm not sure, try |
| 22:42.25 | BACbKA | Red_Cloud: dmesg |tail -2 |
| 22:42.27 | ifvoid | dondelelcaro: Z counts in the load afaik |
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| 22:42.33 | dondelelcaro | ifvoid: no... |
| 22:42.33 | bkudria | ifvoid, yes |
| 22:42.33 | nn- | ifvoid: can Z processes actually eat cpu time? |
| 22:42.34 | BACbKA | Red_Cloud: and please tell us the exciting results |
| 22:42.38 | tarzeau | nn-: yes |
| 22:42.45 | strider | bab_: if it is a stock kernel no need to (2.6.15). just modpobe ieee80211 and ipw2200 |
| 22:42.45 | ifvoid | tarzeau: no |
| 22:42.46 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: no they can't. They're dead. |
| 22:42.48 | tarzeau | nn-: nfs processes hanging, can. i/o |
| 22:42.50 | ifvoid | tarzeau: they can't eat CPU time |
| 22:42.54 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: those are in D. |
| 22:42.58 | nn- | tarzeau: i thought they were just dead pids |
| 22:42.59 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: ah true |
| 22:43.00 | dondelelcaro | D!=Z |
| 22:43.04 | ifvoid | but load!=cputime |
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| 22:43.13 | tarzeau | i got confused |
| 22:43.16 | bab_ | hmmm... what's a stock kernel? I got mine from kernel.org... |
| 22:43.16 | tarzeau | ifvoid: true also |
| 22:43.16 | dondelelcaro | uninteruptible io sleep will give you a load of 1 per process. |
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| 22:43.25 | maelztrom | ifvoid: No 'Z' in my status column (or even any at all with grepping for Z) |
| 22:43.29 | ifvoid | bab_: that's stock |
| 22:43.33 | ifvoid | maelztrom: and D? |
| 22:43.34 | strider | unstable: I don't know about whiptail. Have just used zenity. It's very simple and especially if you have GTK |
| 22:43.35 | Hessophanes | nightwalker: Sorry, could you repeat the URL to the make error? Accidentally closed that window... |
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| 22:43.47 | dondelelcaro | FE: root 916 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? D Jan24 0:00 [firmware/dell_r] <-- this give me a minimal load of 1. |
| 22:43.59 | maelztrom | still nothing ifvoid |
| 22:44.00 | bab_ | But it's still gotta be compiled, and not everything is on by default, is it? |
| 22:44.17 | ifvoid | maelztrom: can you put the output of ps aux somewhere online? |
| 22:44.21 | ifvoid | paste.debian.net or so? |
| 22:44.25 | nightwalker | Hessophanes: ok http://rafb.net/paste/results/k7k0AC54.html here it is |
| 22:44.26 | Red_Cloud | BACbKA I am having some trouble with the syntax, Will get back as soon as I have results. |
| 22:44.31 | maelztrom | Can toss it up on a webserver in a second |
| 22:44.36 | Hessophanes | nightwalker: thx |
| 22:44.38 | bab_ | and, btw. what firmware versions would I have to use? |
| 22:44.58 | Hessophanes | nightwalker: Sorry, I meant the make _error_... ;) |
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| 22:45.10 | ifvoid | bab_: the sf.net page has a list |
| 22:45.15 | Hessophanes | nightwalker: While opening the makefile, I closed the other one. ;) |
| 22:45.17 | ifvoid | bab_: but jsut downlaod all of them |
| 22:45.19 | nightwalker | hmm ok |
| 22:45.24 | maelztrom | permission to pm link ifvoid? |
| 22:45.35 | ifvoid | just put it in the channel |
| 22:45.41 | bab_ | heheh... just in case :) |
| 22:45.41 | ifvoid | more eyes here ;) |
| 22:45.42 | blakkino | mhmh |
| 22:45.45 | blakkino | how to use arrays in bash? |
| 22:45.46 | strider | bab_: with 2.6.15, 2.4 works. |
| 22:45.48 | bkudria | ifvoid, do you have any idea how to fix my problem? any help is appreciated! |
| 22:46.01 | blakkino | stack[$i] = $1 .. bash: stack[0]: command not found |
| 22:46.03 | ifvoid | bkudria: it really sounds like broken hardware |
| 22:46.03 | kself | What's the package that maintains a bootlog? 'apt-cache search bootlog' doesn't work. |
| 22:46.10 | strider | bab_: do you require monitor mode? |
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| 22:46.20 | nightwalker | Hessophanes: do you need another file ? |
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| 22:46.26 | Red_Cloud | BACbKA Unknown id: dmesg |
| 22:46.33 | ifvoid | bkudria: do you get the errors persistently at the same source/ine number? |
| 22:46.36 | bab_ | What does monitor mode mean? |
| 22:46.38 | maelztrom | link: http://www.cs.unm.edu/~jbrown/psLog.txt |
| 22:46.39 | BACbKA | Red_Cloud??? |
| 22:46.39 | bkudria | ifvoid, i know, but i ran memtest86 |
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| 22:46.41 | Hessophanes | nightwalker: No, just the output when you run "make"... :) |
| 22:46.43 | BACbKA | dmesg is a command |
| 22:46.46 | nn- | kself: what do yo mean by "bootlog"? |
| 22:46.48 | nightwalker | ok |
| 22:46.48 | bkudria | ifvoid, no, it is all over the place |
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| 22:46.54 | bab_ | I really apologize for my ignorance on the subject... |
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| 22:46.59 | bkudria | ifvoid, sample errors found here: disflux.com/~bkudria/errors.txt |
| 22:47.00 | strider | bab_: that's ok then. you wont need it ;) |
| 22:47.04 | BACbKA | Red_Cloud: did the modprobe work ? |
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| 22:47.09 | bab_ | okidokey :) |
| 22:47.20 | ifvoid | maelztrom: mm, nothing strange in there |
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| 22:47.33 | ifvoid | bkudria: yeah, I saw those |
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| 22:47.41 | nightwalker | Hessophanes: here it is http://rafb.net/paste/results/k3Yg1C69.html |
| 22:47.41 | fluxdude_home | I can't boot any more, I copied my system over to a new partition on the same disk and changed my fstab and grub menu.lst but I keep getting errors, see http://pastebin.com/611450 |
| 22:47.44 | cocozz | Hi, I'm trying to use xft2 AA fonts, I have installed libxft2, put Load "freetype" and FontPath "..." on xorg.conf, dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig, an I have an /etc/X11/XftConfig, but I cant use for example " xft:Bitstream Vera Sans Mono:pixelsize=13"....any idea ? |
| 22:47.45 | bab_ | I'll try this now. Thanx a lot!! :D |
| 22:47.46 | maelztrom | I've ran chkrootkit out of fear, but that showed nothing thank god |
| 22:47.48 | ifvoid | bkudria: but if you start the compile again, do you get the same errors at the same locations? |
| 22:47.53 | bab_ | to both of ya |
| 22:48.04 | bab_ | l8r perhaps |
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| 22:48.12 | bkudria | ifvoid, no, it stops at different places each time :) |
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| 22:48.41 | ifvoid | fluxdude_home: hmm, that's in the initrd or so? |
| 22:48.57 | d03boy | dpkg-deb: building package `alsa-modules-2.6.15-1' in `/usr/src/modules/alsa-driver/../alsa-modules-2.6.15-1_1.0.10+1.0.11rc3-1_i386.deb'. |
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| 22:49.06 | ifvoid | this /scripts/local-top/ seems a bit strange to me |
| 22:49.13 | BACbKA | i'm making a local kpkg for the 1st time with the new pkging scheme, out of the source tree pkg for 2.6.15. I copied over my old config, and did a make oldconfig, giving an extraversion postfix "-ilmarinen" (the hostname) when prompted. Then I did a make-kpkg --clean and make-kpkg --initrd binary-arch, which worked. However, installing the resulting .deb causes some errors spit out (may I paste 3 lines?) |
| 22:49.14 | JohnFlux | how much space would a minimal debian install take up? |
| 22:49.15 | d03boy | now I need to modprobe those? |
| 22:49.21 | ifvoid | bkudria: ah, then is most likely a hw problem |
| 22:49.24 | fluxdude_home | ifvoid:yes |
| 22:49.30 | ifvoid | bkudria: doesn't nee to be memory though |
| 22:49.32 | Hessophanes | nightwalker: Ok... one more file: src/Makefile :) |
| 22:49.43 | ifvoid | can also be CPU (less likely) or power |
| 22:49.57 | bkudria | ifvoid, how would i test those? |
| 22:50.05 | ifvoid | or i/o bits falling on the pci bus |
| 22:50.10 | BACbKA | Setting up kernel-image-2.6.15 (10.00.Custom) ... /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: /lib/modules/2.6.15: Not a directory |
| 22:50.22 | Red_Cloud | BACKbKA I have a lot of info to sort and fine the scsi info. It will be just a few minutes. |
| 22:50.24 | tarzeau | hah, a few more and i'm at 1000. |
| 22:50.25 | BACbKA | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:50.29 | ifvoid | bkudria: try running some cpu-intensive program, like xfractint |
| 22:50.37 | ifvoid | bkudria: and some disk intensive stuff |
| 22:50.38 | fluxdude_home | I have no idea how to fix this mess of a debian system... |
| 22:50.38 | ifvoid | etc |
| 22:50.42 | ifvoid | and see which one fails |
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| 22:50.51 | tarzeau | anyone else such an irssi fan? [Act: 17,19,24,37,38,97,102,114,122,134,140,141,142,143,187,201,211,216,264,294,306,334,350,352,353,398,458,467,520,599,678,698,718,744,751,752,753,754] |
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| 22:51.03 | bkudria | ifvoid, and then what? |
| 22:51.10 | ifvoid | fluxdude_home: I'm sorry, but I don't know anything about initrd |
| 22:51.19 | ifvoid | fluxdude_home: I avoid it, exactly for this reason |
| 22:51.21 | fluxdude_home | I tried removing the initrd line from grub but then I get the following error: http://pastebin.com/611452 |
| 22:51.28 | ifvoid | bkudria: replace the faulty hw ;) |
| 22:51.29 | bkudria | ifvoid, see if the compile breaks at that time? |
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| 22:51.42 | BACbKA | The /lib/modules/ contains 2.6.15-ilmarinen though. Did I abuse make-kpkg by using the extraversion at the config stage and not via the extra args to make-kpkg? |
| 22:51.44 | ifvoid | fluxdude_home: but the /scripts/local thing suggest you have made local changes |
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| 22:51.47 | unstable | Does firefox in debian get autoupdated via mozilla? or is the autoupdate code ripped out by the maintainer? |
| 22:52.01 | fluxdude_home | ifvoid: I'm using a stock debian kernel that jsut so happens to come with initrd and writes the grub menu.lst accordingly, it should work... |
| 22:52.05 | Yperite | maelztrom, look www.zeppoo.net |
| 22:52.06 | tarzeau | unstable: i doubt. i hope. |
| 22:52.12 | ifvoid | unstable: it's not ripped out, but it might be disabled by default, not sure |
| 22:52.12 | mbishop | tarzeau: /w close 0 or something like that should work :P |
| 22:52.29 | BACbKA | unstable: the way to know is to see the Debian Changes file in the /usr/share/doc/*firefox* |
| 22:52.36 | ifvoid | fluxdude_home: you problably didn't copy the lvm meta info correctly |
| 22:52.39 | tarzeau | mbishop: it'll do what? |
| 22:52.39 | maelztrom | hrm...interesting yperite: t/y |
| 22:52.43 | nightwalker | Hessophanes: here it is http://rafb.net/paste/results/HFtlwX25.html |
| 22:52.56 | mbishop | tarzeau: close all windows...I forget the command though |
| 22:53.32 | strider | unstable: it dosen't. Though the Debian maints do a very good job |
| 22:54.11 | ludwig_ | Hallo again! |
| 22:54.23 | unstable | What is the policy/rules for packages connecting to the internet and retrieving things by default? |
| 22:54.37 | unstable | Like some programs have a feedback on by default, and they give you the option to send out statistics. |
| 22:54.48 | BACbKA | maybe the extraversion thing is rooted in this line of my mkinitrd.conf: MKIMAGE='mkcramfs %s %s > /dev/null' ? |
| 22:55.07 | ifvoid | unstable: should be disabled by default imo, but I'm not sure if that's actually in policy |
| 22:55.11 | ludwig_ | I have in my htdoc-directory a filename "erkl?rung.doc", a script has to display a html-link to this file ... does not work |
| 22:55.11 | JohnFlux | how do I install debian from (a different) linux |
| 22:55.37 | ifvoid | JohnFlux: use debootstrap |
| 22:55.54 | nightwalker | Hessophanes: here it is http://rafb.net/paste/results/HFtlwX25.html did u get it ? |
| 22:56.04 | Hessophanes | nightwalker: Yes I did, thanks... :) |
| 22:56.05 | kself | nn-: System boot-time messages. |
| 22:56.21 | JohnFlux | ifvoid: thank you |
| 22:56.25 | kself | nn-: IIRC 'bootlogd' but I could be wrong on that. Probably am as I can't find it. |
| 22:56.30 | d03boy | tarzeau, http://channels.debian.net/paste/2187 |
| 22:56.44 | fluxdude_home | ifvoid: I'm not using lvm at all, it's a singel ata hard disk hda with 11 partitions..., 1-3 are primary 5-11 are inside an extended... |
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| 22:56.56 | Red_Cloud | BACKbKA here are the results: ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15 Vendor: UMAX Model: Astra 1200S Rev: V2.9 Type: Scanner ANSI SCSI revision: 02 |
| 22:57.03 | Hessophanes | nightwalker: Strange. - Was the Makefile already built when you unpacked the source, or did have to run any of the autotools? |
| 22:57.06 | nn- | kself: doesm't the kernel ring buffer contain enough information about the system boot process? |
| 22:57.13 | ifvoid | fluxdude_home: that's not what the error message says |
| 22:57.23 | kself | nn-: Not everything that crosses the console at boot. |
| 22:57.23 | BACbKA | Red_Cloud: congratulations. What did you have to do to make it happen, just the modprobe? |
| 22:57.41 | nightwalker | Hessophanes: i run ./configure then run make |
| 22:57.51 | nn- | kself: what information are you missing? |
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| 22:58.02 | Hessophanes | nightwalker: Ah, ok. Could you re-run configure, now that emacs is installed? |
| 22:58.08 | Red_Cloud | BACbKA naw, I just went with dmesg and then 'find' to the scsi information |
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| 22:58.16 | nightwalker | Hessophanes: ok |
| 22:58.24 | kself | nn-: Various service startups. |
| 22:58.38 | tarzeau | d03boy: cd .. ; ls *.deb? |
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| 22:58.50 | BACbKA | Red_Cloud: this is very strange. If you don't see it in /proc/scsi/scsi yet it got loaded? |
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| 22:59.17 | nn- | kself: I see |
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| 22:59.24 | d03boy | alsa-modules-2.6.15-1_1.0.10+1.0.11rc3-1_i386.deb |
| 22:59.26 | Red_Cloud | BACbKA and it will also respond to imagescan and scanadf |
| 22:59.57 | fluxdude_home | ifvoid: I know, which is really dumb because I have never used lvm, if any distro tries to do it, I undo it at install time and put it to plain old primary partitions (but I reshifted to extended partition here later on) |
| 23:00.12 | Red_Cloud | *correction: xscanimage |
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| 23:00.24 | BACbKA | Red_Cloud: I can't understand how it can possibly work if you insist that "cat /proc/scsi/scsi" gives you an empty output. Can you please retry? |
| 23:00.57 | Red_Cloud | BACbKA will do. |
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| 23:01.16 | ifvoid | fluxdude_home: it seems like some meta-stuff was left behind, which got broken after you moved the partitions |
| 23:01.36 | ifvoid | fluxdude_home: have you tried booting from a bootdisk and just installing a fresh kernel? |
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| 23:02.20 | Red_Cloud | BACbKA here are the results: Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00 Vendor: UMAX Model: Astra 1200S Rev: V2.9 Type: Scanner ANSI SCSI revision: 02 |
| 23:03.08 | Red_Cloud | BACbKA I am no Einstein. Initially, I mere went to the file location and viewed it. I did not know that it would be empty. |
| 23:03.09 | BACbKA | Red_Cloud: This means that you DO have your driver configured, and now indeed I can believe your claim about umax.conf. |
| 23:03.15 | fluxdude_home | ifvoid: how should I install a new kernel? could I boot a debian install disc and do it or would I need Knoppix, would another OS on the same system do it? |
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| 23:03.35 | BACbKA | Red_Cloud: I wonder how you viewed it... oh you mean you did ls -l and trusted its zero size? |
| 23:03.39 | ifvoid | fluxdude_home: the install disk should work |
| 23:03.58 | Red_Cloud | BACbKA, I used KPackage |
| 23:04.05 | ifvoid | fluxdude_home: just let it detect your hardware and such, an d when you get to the partition step, switch to the second console |
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| 23:04.13 | ifvoid | you should be able to fix things from there |
| 23:04.20 | Red_Cloud | and opened it |
| 23:04.33 | fluxdude_home | ifvoid: the irony is my old 2.4 kernel manages to boot ok. I used it to apt-get install another 2.6 kernel but that also has the same problem when it boots as the previous one |
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| 23:04.55 | ifvoid | fluxdude_home: hmm |
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| 23:05.20 | ifvoid | fluxdude_home: if you can boot, I'd suggest removing all lvm meta info from your disks |
| 23:05.24 | fluxdude_home | there must be some file(s) containing info on my partition set up from when I installed it that's telling the kernel to look in the wrong place or something |
| 23:05.41 | BACbKA | Red_Cloud: OK, I'm glad the driver is behind us anyway. Can you please 'aptitude install quiteinsane' for me? |
| 23:05.51 | FarrisG | I have two identical machines, same hardware exactly. Is there a quick way to remotely rsync ones files system to the other? I've hosed the FS on one, and just want to quickly restore from a known-good FS in my farm |
| 23:05.52 | fluxdude_home | but I have tried appending the options root=/dev/hda10 and real_root=/dev/hda10, they make no difference |
| 23:06.01 | ifvoid | fluxdude_home: I think it's meta-ionfo in the parition table, or whereever lvm keeps its info |
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| 23:06.32 | ifvoid | fluxdude_home: try vgreduce --removemissing or so |
| 23:06.39 | Red_Cloud | BACbKA is done |
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| 23:07.05 | BACbKA | Red_Cloud: see if you have your /etc/sane.d/umax.conf there? |
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| 23:07.39 | bust3r | i get this when trying to compile something any idea what it is > "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check |
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| 23:07.50 | fluxdude_home | ifvoid: i don't even know the first thing about lvm, and I'm sure I've never used it on this machine... |
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| 23:07.59 | Pollywog | I decided to reinstall Debian sarge and then do a dist-upgrade before anything else |
| 23:08.00 | fluxdude_home | what does vgreduce --removemissing do? |
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| 23:08.15 | Red_Cloud | BACbKA yes it is in tha folder /etc/sane.d |
| 23:08.37 | fluxdude_home | WOW, I just managed to boot my Debian system properly using a kernel from Gentoo! |
| 23:08.49 | d03boy | tarzeau, give up on me? |
| 23:08.53 | Pollywog | maybe if I upgrade to testing right off the bat I won't have problems |
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| 23:09.11 | BACbKA | Red_Cloud: try firing up quiteinsane, and see if it sees your scanner |
| 23:09.13 | abrotman | or you could just use stable |
| 23:09.23 | Pollywog | abrotman: yes I could |
| 23:09.26 | Pollywog | but |
| 23:09.39 | Pollywog | I would have old libs |
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| 23:09.46 | Red_Cloud | BACbKA it says: NO devices found |
| 23:09.52 | abrotman | Pollywog: but it would work |
| 23:10.05 | Pollywog | I have two other systems that work :) |
| 23:10.12 | ifvoid | fluxdude_home: you might want to file a bug about this btw |
| 23:10.26 | ifvoid | fluxdude_home: even though it can't find any lvm stuff, it should still boot |
| 23:10.33 | Pollywog | and they won't run some stuff |
| 23:10.54 | Pollywog | one is debian another Xandros |
| 23:11.01 | BACbKA | Red_Cloud: I think you have permissions problem. |
| 23:11.10 | fluxdude_home | ifvoid: errm, I'm running Sid so I'm not sure, the usual responses I get are you're running Sid and are therefore an idiot... |
| 23:11.25 | BACbKA | Red_Cloud: the user running the app has to have rw perms for the relevant /dev/sg... device |
| 23:11.28 | ifvoid | fluxdude_home: no, not really |
| 23:11.29 | Pollywog | fluxdude: I am in that same club |
| 23:11.43 | ifvoid | fluxdude_home: the entire purpose of sid is to fdind these bugs ;) |
| 23:11.49 | fluxdude_home | I can fix just about any problem I come across since I'm a sysadmin, but this one was quite weird, I'm up into my Debian again, running this Gentoo kernel... |
| 23:11.57 | bust3r | i get this when trying to compile something any idea what it is > "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check |
| 23:12.00 | tarzeau | d03boy: no but i'm tired and need sleep |
| 23:12.12 | BACbKA | i'm making a local kpkg for the 1st time with the new pkging scheme, out of the source tree pkg for 2.6.15. I copied over my old config, and did a make oldconfig, giving an extraversion postfix "-ilmarinen" (the hostname) when prompted. Then I did a make-kpkg --clean and make-kpkg --initrd binary-arch, which worked. However, installing the resulting .deb causes some errors spit out (I can paste 3 lines). |
| 23:12.12 | BACbKA | Did I abuse make-kpkg by using the extraversion at the config stage and not via the extra args to make-kpkg? |
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| 23:12.29 | Red_Cloud | BACbKA that may be the problem. Let me do some research on permissions and maybe I can solve the problem. If not.....I'll be back! |
| 23:12.47 | Pollywog | BACbKA: it's always worked for me just editing the Makefile |
| 23:12.54 | Pollywog | with EXTRAVERSION |
| 23:13.05 | Red_Cloud | BACbKA thanks for all of your help and a point into a direction to explore. Thanks |
| 23:13.19 | BACbKA | Pollywog: I did a make oldconfig, and that one started asking me about hte prefix... |
| 23:13.24 | BACbKA | Red_Cloud: you're welcome |
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| 23:13.35 | Pollywog | you make an initrd? |
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| 23:13.45 | BACbKA | Pollywog: that's where it failed |
| 23:13.56 | BACbKA | Failed to create initrd image. |
| 23:14.01 | aeronadix | hi |
| 23:14.03 | Pollywog | BACbKA: sarge? |
| 23:14.11 | BACbKA | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:14.11 | BACbKA | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:14.15 | BACbKA | Pollywog yes |
| 23:14.20 | BACbKA | Pollywog sorta |
| 23:14.29 | Pollywog | the sorta is the problem I bet |
| 23:14.30 | BACbKA | Pollywag I have sarge/etch/sid pinning prios |
| 23:14.59 | BACbKA | Pollywog: balancing the development and household needs, you know :) |
| 23:15.03 | Pollywog | because I only had initrd problems after upgreading to testing |
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| 23:15.19 | arab- | ------------> #AnTItuX <--------- |
| 23:15.21 | arab- | ------------> #AnTItuX <--------- |
| 23:15.24 | Pollywog | I had to install another package to do initrd's |
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| 23:16.07 | BACbKA | Pollywog: I know there are two different initrd makers now... but which one is better? |
| 23:16.25 | dondelelcaro | BACbKA: they're all different. |
| 23:16.36 | Pollywog | I had to use the newer one I forget the name, but in sarge the old one is fine |
| 23:16.51 | BACbKA | Pollywog: yaird ? |
| 23:17.03 | Pollywog | yes that's the newer one I had to use in testing |
| 23:17.08 | abrotman | can't lilo close that channel? |
| 23:17.09 | Pollywog | yaird |
| 23:17.21 | BACbKA | dondelelcaro: did I abuse the mkinitrd/id I abuse make-kpkg by using the extraversion at the config stage and not via the extra args to make-kpkg? |
| 23:17.33 | Pollywog | I had not heard of it until the initrd's failed |
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| 23:18.04 | Pollywog | ppl need to get alife if they just come in here to spam |
| 23:18.11 | doublehp_ | I am trying to use http://gefechtsdienst.de/uman/files/ to install DR17, but GPG cant find the pub key on subkeys.pgp.net ; any clue how to solve this ? |
| 23:18.17 | d03boy | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2187 |
| 23:18.20 | dondelelcaro | BACbKA: ugh. use --apend-to-version, not setting it in teh configure stage |
| 23:18.25 | BACbKA | pollywog: yaird is installed here following my bringing the 2.6.15 tree pkg in |
| 23:18.40 | azeem | !beer me |
| 23:18.44 | Pollywog | BACbKA: I was not so fortunate |
| 23:18.46 | abrotman | yay |
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| 23:19.00 | azeem | dpkg: no, it's an Andechs Hell |
| 23:19.03 | d03boy | i'm trying to install the experimental alsa drivers if anyone would like to help me.. |
| 23:19.09 | BACbKA | dondelelcaro: I thought so... so much with the make oldconfig... maybe the debian patch to the kernel tree should remove that question? |
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| 23:19.16 | BACbKA | dondelelcaro: thanks a lot |
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| 23:19.58 | dany | hi what can i use to make a video of my display ??? |
| 23:20.13 | Pollywog | a video or a picture? |
| 23:20.20 | fluxdude_home | what is the point of initrd anyways, if you've got a decent kernel surely you don't need it? |
| 23:20.21 | tarzeau | xvidcap |
| 23:20.27 | nn- | isn't a video a set of pictues? |
| 23:20.50 | Pollywog | yes but an initrd keeps you from having a giant kernel image |
| 23:21.25 | Pollywog | because in the stockl kernel almost all modules are enabled |
| 23:21.33 | Pollywog | not enabled but compiled |
| 23:21.38 | fluxdude_home | when you compile a kernel, you only compile in the bits you want... |
| 23:22.00 | Pollywog | fluxdude: yes but I don't know all the ones my system has to have to boot |
| 23:22.05 | fluxdude_home | i can see the initrd is needed to detect and load modules right? |
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| 23:22.20 | Pollywog | I think it is a ramdisk with the modules |
| 23:22.25 | dli__ | how to prevent a crontab job from reporting to syslog? |
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| 23:22.42 | Stevie | dli__: I think you want to use >/dev/null 2>&1 |
| 23:23.13 | dli__ | Stevie, no, Cron reports the job, I want to prevent that |
| 23:23.23 | BACbKA | dondelelcaro: does --apend-to-version imply a dash in front of my input? |
| 23:23.35 | dondelelcaro | BACbKA: no |
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| 23:23.41 | Hessophanes | dli__: You can't. Cron reports all jobs it runs, AFAIK. |
| 23:23.42 | psup | !he |
| 23:23.42 | dpkg | he is probably alone in the house left to him by the death of his parents, even though he's only feet away from the sister he's always been much closer than to anyone else. From his hidden room, he views life through concealed video cameras. Life is only real to him when he sees it on a monitor, and on most of those monitors is his sister. |
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| 23:23.43 | Pollywog | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:23.43 | dondelelcaro | BACbKA: just add one if you want one |
| 23:23.45 | psup | !il |
| 23:23.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, il is Israel, home of some truly great people |
| 23:23.55 | dondelelcaro | psup: /msg the bot please. |
| 23:24.06 | doublehp_ | mplayer : dpkg bot is not up to date : http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ => 404. any alternative ? |
| 23:24.13 | psup | ok, i was and it wasn't working. is there a channel in Hebrew? |
| 23:24.28 | dondelelcaro | psup: not to my knowledge, no |
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| 23:24.38 | psup | oh. :( |
| 23:24.44 | dondelelcaro | (most people who speak hebrew also speak some other language...) |
| 23:24.52 | psup | yep |
| 23:24.53 | dli__ | Hessophanes, thanks, I remember some rootkits can do cron jobs without reporting |
| 23:24.54 | BACbKA | psup: I'm in Israel fwiw |
| 23:24.55 | dondelelcaro | psup: but you can start one if you want |
| 23:24.57 | psup | haha |
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| 23:25.18 | abrotman | psup: for use with debian? |
| 23:25.47 | Pollywog | kde 3.5 is another reason to upgrade to testing |
| 23:25.49 | Hessophanes | dli__: Then I guess they either replace/modify cron, or intercept the message... the standard cron can't suppress it. |
| 23:26.07 | Pollywog | I suppose I could compile it for sarge though |
| 23:26.15 | abrotman | or ask #debian-kde |
| 23:26.16 | dli__ | Hessophanes, thanks :) |
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| 23:26.40 | Pollywog | if my dist-upgrade to testing fails |
| 23:26.47 | psup | abrotman: I wanted to learn more Hebrew since I'm looking for a summer job in Israel (not in Canada) doing tech support. I'm Canadian and I figure IRC is the best way to learn the language. :) |
| 23:26.53 | BACbKA | psup: try asking in not-very-correct English here |
| 23:26.57 | BACbKA | psup: oh |
| 23:27.06 | BACbKA | psup: hmm |
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| 23:27.11 | Stevie | I once helped a friend patch syslog to make '/var/log/host/<name>' act like '@<name>' to throw off hacking toolkits |
| 23:27.17 | abrotman | psup: http://debian-hebrew.alioth.debian.org/ :) |
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| 23:27.25 | abrotman | psup: there's no #hebrew or anyhting? |
| 23:27.47 | BACbKA | abrotman: he wants debian-related Hebrew! |
| 23:27.52 | Pollywog | why would we use not very correct English? I am confused |
| 23:27.56 | psup | linux-related is fine. |
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| 23:28.05 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: ya. the gallery is adding .jpg to all the .gif formats. |
| 23:28.14 | Pollywog | Hebrew as used in Linux? |
| 23:28.18 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: right... I don't quite know why it's doing that... but it shouldn't be |
| 23:28.21 | dondelelcaro | Pollywog: sure |
| 23:28.28 | BACbKA | Pollywog: ignore me... I was assuming psup is being shy about asking tech q-s in English, Hebrew being his mother tongue... turns out it's the other way :) |
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| 23:28.34 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: and it doesnt for you right? thats so weird. |
| 23:28.35 | psup | yep. there is an #israel, i'll try asking them |
| 23:28.39 | magyar | i am looking for a package that would allow to manage virtual users |
| 23:28.48 | bkudria | how do i switch my working version of gcc? is simply changing the /usr/bin/gcc symlink enough? a good idea? |
| 23:28.48 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: no, it's got a problem here too... I haven't had a chance to look at it though |
| 23:29.02 | dondelelcaro | bkudria: set CC or HOSTCC for the makefile that you're running. |
| 23:29.02 | abrotman | psup: that url no good? |
| 23:29.11 | dondelelcaro | bkudria: ala make CC=gcc-3.3 or similar. |
| 23:29.36 | rvsjoen | hmm.. anybody know where I can set the number of threads saslauthd is going to start ? |
| 23:29.38 | psup | abrotman: let me check it. |
| 23:29.38 | bkudria | dondelelcaro, what about system-wide? |
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| 23:29.47 | dondelelcaro | bkudria: you don't want to set it system wide. |
| 23:30.07 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: i see. |
| 23:30.13 | dondelelcaro | bkudria: the default should be (and remain) the one set by the version of the gcc package that you've got installed. |
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| 23:30.21 | BACbKA | psup: you might want trying to hang on at the Hebreew wikipedia (tech articles) |
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| 23:31.20 | psup | BACbKA: thats true. |
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| 23:31.58 | BACbKA | dondelelcaro: oh, btw, is kernel-package 8.135 enough for me (building 2.6.15)? |
| 23:32.04 | psup | the URL tells you how to get Debian hebrew support (which I've mostly done, I just haven't run the hebrew-config shellscript, I'm worried it's irreversible) |
| 23:32.26 | BACbKA | psup: create a new user account and do it there! |
| 23:32.35 | BACbKA | psup: in the worst case, just wreck that account |
| 23:32.45 | magyar | s there a way to transfrer some users from "unix" to virtual "sql" ? |
| 23:32.51 | nn- | or just learn a less useless language |
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| 23:33.26 | psup | hmm, didn't think of that, i assumed it made changes to system-wide config files, but now that i think of it it isn't. |
| 23:33.40 | psup | nn-: it's useful if you want to get a summer job in the country. :) |
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| 23:33.46 | Pollywog | there are people who study Klingon |
| 23:33.53 | psup | and Ido |
| 23:33.54 | Pollywog | try that for useless |
| 23:34.01 | psup | the Ido wikipedia has more than 1,000 articles. |
| 23:34.14 | Pollywog | Ido? |
| 23:34.18 | psup | although, yeah, Klingon IS more useless. :) |
| 23:34.28 | bkudria | dondelelcaro, ok...thanks! I have both gcc-3.4 and gcc-4.0 installed, but removeing gcc-4.0 wants to remove gcc-3.4 |
| 23:34.28 | psup | Ido is yet another constructed "universal" language. |
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| 23:34.39 | quinlan | sometimes, google is useless: google for "woody sarge" has the actual release notes coming up as the 10th item rather than first |
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| 23:34.41 | Pollywog | oh like esperanto? |
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| 23:34.48 | psup | yep, iirc. |
| 23:34.57 | quinlan | is there anything worth reading other than the release notes before I break my system by doing this upgrade? |
| 23:34.58 | nn- | hrhrh |
| 23:35.14 | BACbKA | Pollywog, psup: dnftt |
| 23:35.18 | psup | ? |
| 23:35.37 | bkudria | dondelelcaro, can i do make-kpkg CC=gcc-3.4 ? |
| 23:35.40 | psup | what is dnftt? |
| 23:36.00 | dondelelcaro | bkudria: no, but you can do MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-3.4" make-kpkg ... |
| 23:36.03 | BACbKA | do not feed the troll |
| 23:36.05 | dondelelcaro | bkudria: man make-kpkg |
| 23:36.11 | wols | quinlan: maybe google for "woody sarge release notes" then |
| 23:36.14 | psup | ah |
| 23:36.24 | quinlan | wols: not what I asked ;-) |
| 23:36.26 | Pollywog | are trolls vegetarian? |
| 23:36.33 | bkudria | dondelelcaro, ahh:) thanks! |
| 23:36.36 | psup | obviously not |
| 23:36.42 | quinlan | wols: that was merely my background information :-) |
| 23:36.46 | dondelelcaro | bkudria: np |
| 23:36.52 | psup | they eat entire channels for snacks. and channels are full of humans. :) |
| 23:37.16 | nn- | BACbKA: I would have no problem with anyone saying my native language is "useless" |
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| 23:37.21 | nn- | i can face it |
| 23:37.21 | wols | trolls are omnivores |
| 23:37.44 | Stevie | The jerk store called, they're running out of trolls |
| 23:38.02 | bkudria | dondelelcaro, but, err, how do i set it system wide, so i don't have to keep setting it for everything else? |
| 23:38.23 | dondelelcaro | bkudria: you don't need to set it for anything else. You should be using gcc-4.0 |
| 23:38.40 | bkudria | dondelelcaro, but my kernel build fails with 4.0 ... i think |
| 23:38.45 | Pollywog | gcc-4.0 is stable enough for general use? |
| 23:38.49 | wols | psup: why is dpkg telling us about hentai? |
| 23:38.53 | dondelelcaro | bkudria: that's fine; the kernel is the only thing you shoul dbe changing |
| 23:39.04 | Stevie | wols: it is? |
| 23:39.06 | wols | psup: that !he factoid above |
| 23:39.10 | dbe | dondelelcaro, hello |
| 23:39.13 | Stevie | wols: It's not telling me about hentai |
| 23:39.13 | wols | Stevie: it is. google for the factoid |
| 23:39.16 | bkudria | dondelelcaro, err, what about recompiling my nvidia drivers? *smirk* |
| 23:39.16 | Pollywog | my kernel builds failed too but not for the newer kernel ... 2.6.15 |
| 23:39.18 | dondelelcaro | Pollywog: that's what we build the archive with, so it works fairly well... |
| 23:39.25 | Pollywog | oic |
| 23:39.31 | Stevie | oh |
| 23:39.33 | bkudria | Pollywog, i'm trying to compile 2.6.15.6 |
| 23:39.36 | dondelelcaro | bkudria: then you set it for them too... but the 4.0 works fine with >> 2.6.14 |
| 23:39.46 | dondelelcaro | s/the// |
| 23:39.48 | Stevie | wols: dpkg learns by someone telling him "<this> is <that>" |
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| 23:39.55 | Stevie | wols: Someone must have quoted that passage to him |
| 23:40.02 | bkudria | dondelelcaro, ok, you win! |
| 23:40.11 | bkudria | Pollywog, does yours fail in random places? |
| 23:40.15 | wols | sure, but why? |
| 23:40.23 | dbe | dondelelcaro, did I win? |
| 23:40.26 | Pollywog | bkudria: no it failed at the same place |
| 23:40.30 | Pollywog | every time |
| 23:40.32 | dondelelcaro | dbe: ? |
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| 23:40.44 | bkudria | Pollywog, oh...yours is not esoteric like mine! |
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| 23:40.52 | Stevie | wols: Look for laurens__ <n=laurens@213-193-182-46.adsl.easynet.be> and ask them |
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| 23:40.59 | Stevie | Since that's who added it |
| 23:40.59 | bkudria | Pollywog, mine is either gcc-4.0 or faulty hardware |
| 23:41.05 | dbe | dondelelcaro, I'm just playing around, you said "shoul dbe" and I'm saying "hello" |
| 23:41.16 | Pollywog | bkudria: try one of the newer kernels |
| 23:41.29 | |XO4| | what should be an average ping between you and lets say a host like yahoo.com or google.com? |
| 23:41.33 | Pollywog | or else use gcc-3.3 I assume you have it |
| 23:41.42 | bkudria | Pollywog, 2.6.15.6 is the latest 'stable' |
| 23:41.44 | BACbKA | wols: if you really want to know, start with "/msg dpkg help" and enjoy your conversation... you'll learn about its features such as the "tell" command data source. |
| 23:41.44 | Stevie | |XO4|: 9612ms |
| 23:41.47 | dbe | Ututo XS GNU 2006 is a damn fine project |
| 23:41.57 | bkudria | Pollywog, but i'm pretty sure its hardware |
| 23:42.00 | Pollywog | k |
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| 23:43.12 | rvsjoen | |XO4|: my google.com ping averages aroung 150ms |
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| 23:43.50 | d03boy | can anyone help me install the experimental alsa drivers? |
| 23:44.02 | d03boy | i've got part of it done already because tarzeau was hepling me |
| 23:44.44 | abrotman | why would you want to? |
| 23:44.44 | d03boy | because the current ones are distorted |
| 23:45.19 | quinlan | hmmm: how do I reinstall a package again? |
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| 23:45.23 | Pollywog | apt-get install --reinstall <package> |
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| 23:46.02 | utg | Hi, I have problem with kerenl compilation, got errors like this:"{standard input}: Assembler messages: ", "{standard input}:733: Error: suffix or operands invalid for `mov' " |
| 23:46.07 | BACbKA | utg: uname -a? |
| 23:46.08 | quinlan | Pollywog: hmmm... package no longer available - is there a way to remove the purge flag - I tried removing it, but there was a dependency, just trying to get the state of all the packages cleaned up |
| 23:46.08 | psup | thx all |
| 23:46.09 | BACbKA | utg: compiling a debian kernel package? |
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| 23:46.11 | quinlan | Pollywog: dpkg -l shows "pi" as first two columns, trying to get back to "ii" |
| 23:46.11 | BACbKA | utg: compiling via make-kpkg? |
| 23:46.18 | Hessophanes | utg: Incompatibility of old kernel sources with a rather new binutils package... |
| 23:46.22 | utg | Linux utg 2.4.27-2-k7 #1 Wed Nov 30 22:12:04 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 23:46.52 | abrotman | utg: why are you compiling a kernel? |
| 23:46.59 | BACbKA | utg: compiling which version? |
| 23:47.09 | Pollywog | quinlan: two ways to do it |
| 23:47.10 | utg | 2.4.* |
| 23:47.30 | d03boy | how do I use the KSRC= and KSLKFDSF crap? |
| 23:47.38 | Pollywog | the one I can think of is to do 'dpkg --get-selections > packages' |
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| 23:48.04 | Pollywog | then edit the entry in that list by chanign the status for that package |
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| 23:48.26 | Pollywog | then do 'dpkg --set-selections < packages' |
| 23:48.49 | Pollywog | the other involves a command I will have to look up |
| 23:48.50 | quinlan | Pollywog: no sweat, worked like a charm :-) |
| 23:48.52 | quinlan | thanks |
| 23:49.00 | Pollywog | that was fast |
| 23:49.16 | quinlan | Pollywog: I remembered once you said --get-selections :-) |
| 23:49.23 | Pollywog | :) |
| 23:49.39 | quinlan | I used to be a DD, but it's been a long time |
| 23:49.54 | Pollywog | you can also "echo" the command to dpkg but I forgot the syntax |
| 23:50.04 | magyar | is there a way to migrate users from "unix" to virtual "sql" ? |
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| 23:50.16 | quinlan | a really long time - my debian-fu is not so strong these days |
| 23:50.18 | Hessophanes | utg: http://readlist.com/lists/lists.debian.org/debian-user/17/87658.html (google result) |
| 23:50.28 | d03boy | what does this do |
| 23:50.30 | d03boy | KVERS=2.6.15-1 KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15-1 debian/rules binary-modules |
| 23:50.49 | BACbKA | OK, I am now using the make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=-ilmarinen binary-arch way. This time I am getting a trying to overwrite `/lib/modules/2.6.15-ilmarinen/modules.usbmap', which is also in package kernel-image-2.6.15 |
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| 23:52.37 | d03boy | what do I set my KVERS and KSRC to? |
| 23:52.38 | abrotman | !kurumin |
| 23:52.38 | dpkg | Kurumin Linux is a Brazilian run-from-CD Linux distribution based on Knoppix. That means it's not debian. Go away.. Ajuda pra Kurumin: http://www.kurumin.com.br |
| 23:52.43 | BACbKA | was 8.135 to old to build the 2.6.15 kernel? |
| 23:52.43 | utg | Hessophanes, thx i will try this... |
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| 23:53.10 | dimitrisp | hi all, I'm having a rather weird problem |
| 23:53.23 | SerajewelKS | BACbKA: why are you compiling the kernel |
| 23:53.28 | GenNMX|Thrae | Has anyone gotten a microphone working w/ KDE? I'm having trouble. I was using stable, but now I'm using testing. |
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| 23:53.37 | BACbKA | SerajewelKS: long story |
| 23:53.41 | dimitrisp | after dist-upgrading to unstable from sarge I can't compile anything |
| 23:53.43 | abrotman | resiak: care for a waltz? |
| 23:53.46 | resiak | absolutely |
| 23:54.18 | abrotman | 1.2.3 1.2.3 and off we go ... |
| 23:54.18 | powder | how do you enable sudo in debian? |
| 23:54.21 | SerajewelKS | powder: apt-get install sudo |
| 23:54.21 | dimitrisp | even trying make menuconfig in single user mode locks the system up after a few HOSTCCs |
| 23:54.24 | wols | powder: apt-get install sudo :) |
| 23:54.26 | quinlan | powder: install it, then configure it with visudo |
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| 23:54.31 | IceTox | Does anyone know howto copy a text phrase in Eterm? |
| 23:54.43 | GenNMX|Thrae | Are there any good sound recorders w/ a GUI besides KRecord, KRec, and Gnome Sound Recorder? |
| 23:54.45 | resiak | select it |
| 23:54.46 | SerajewelKS | dimitrisp: welcome to sid |
| 23:54.49 | wols | dimitrisp: don't overclock then |
| 23:54.49 | powder | quinlan: just type "visudo" in console? |
| 23:54.57 | resiak | !tell IceTox -about mark and paste |
| 23:54.58 | quinlan | if you don't know "vi", "export VISUAL=youreditor" before running visudo |
| 23:54.58 | SerajewelKS | GenNMX|Thrae: audacity is good |
| 23:55.01 | dimitrisp | SerajewelKS, thanks |
| 23:55.10 | wols | dimitrisp: if it's not OCed, but quality hardware |
| 23:55.19 | dimitrisp | wols, I'm not doing anything like that |
| 23:55.21 | quinlan | powder: yes, as root |
| 23:55.29 | wols | s/but/buy |
| 23:55.36 | powder | quinlan: thanks, i know enough vi to do it :) |
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| 23:55.42 | quinlan | powder: and run "man sudoers" for the format |
| 23:55.56 | wols | dimitrisp: what you describe are the classical symptoms for either flaky hardware or overclocking. or both |
| 23:56.12 | powder | quinlan: ok, thanks for your help :) |
| 23:56.15 | dimitrisp | wols, well I'll keep that in mind (although I doubt "quality hardware" exists on the x86 platform) |
| 23:56.26 | quinlan | powder: mostly, you just want a line like "powder ALL=(ALL) ALL" |
| 23:56.30 | dimitrisp | but it used to work fine just yesterday |
| 23:56.31 | GenNMX|Thrae | SerajewelKS: Thanks, I'll try that. |
| 23:56.33 | wols | it does. quality enough for compiling a kernel at least |
| 23:56.41 | wols | as countelss linux developers can attest to |
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| 23:57.00 | dimitrisp | well I had that kind of quality up until yesterday |
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| 23:57.13 | dimitrisp | and I didn't change any hw today |
| 23:57.14 | IceTox | thanks a lot resiak |
| 23:57.20 | wols | x86 hardware sooner or later always dies :) |
| 23:57.29 | powder | quinlan: ok, got it |
| 23:57.34 | cshaman | hi all. |
| 23:57.35 | bab_ | Hello, I've installed ipw2200 on the kernel, but I can't seem to figure how to turn it on, any help, plz? modprobe doesn't do anything... |
| 23:57.43 | dimitrisp | surely but it would be a heck of a coincidence |
| 23:57.47 | abrotman | wols: tell that to the 486 in my closet .. that refuses to die |
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| 23:57.53 | strider | bab_: did you get the fw? |
| 23:58.04 | bab_ | Hi! yes I did |
| 23:58.14 | abrotman | strider: afaik .. that's a general purpose paste channel for all of freenode |
| 23:58.23 | d03boy | has anyone installed the alsa experimental modules? |
| 23:58.26 | cshaman | i'm trying to add an account for my buddy to use ssh. i checked my own groups using "id" and found that my gid is 1000(myusername), and that my uid=1000(myusername)... do users in debian have unique gid's? |
| 23:58.34 | resiak | by default, yes |
| 23:58.54 | strider | abrotman: the flood thing? |
| 23:59.03 | dondelelcaro | cshaman: you can just use adduser; to add an account. |
| 23:59.07 | abrotman | strider: yeah |
| 23:59.24 | *** join/#debian chaizzilla (n=cris@seattle.gii.net) |
| 23:59.32 | strider | abrotman: depends on what he was trying to flood, but yeah |
| 23:59.41 | dimitrisp | so nowone might have an idea as to why gcc (I've tried 2.95, 3.3, 4.0) keeps locking up but everything else seems to work fine? |
| 23:59.43 | abrotman | he didn't say .. |
| 23:59.51 | strider | he should have |
