| 00:00.17 | hyperactivecrond | which i believe qualifies as a 'bless'-ing needed moment |
| 00:00.21 | Azar | wow 2.6.16 released I guess by December we can see the 2.6.20 out |
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| 00:02.33 | VulpesFoxnik | stew whats the bug number again? |
| 00:02.38 | Mardus | stew: Yay, thanks, I have the net working! |
| 00:02.45 | testi | hi |
| 00:02.51 | Stevie | stew: well I guess my kernel isn't supporting it. Blah. |
| 00:03.06 | testi | when can i expect Xgl to be in my unstable repository?= |
| 00:03.16 | gravity | testi: After Xorg 7.0 is in |
| 00:03.25 | stew | VulpesFoxnik: #349340, actually you don't need to use reportbug, just send email to 349340@bugs.debian.org explaining your findings, thanks! |
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| 00:03.38 | gravity | testi: I've done a bit of work on it, but 7.0 needs to be in unstable before Xgl can get in |
| 00:03.43 | hyperactivecrond | :( |
| 00:04.01 | hyperactivecrond | xgl == annoying b/c shift-backspace kills it |
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| 00:04.42 | testi | hum okay |
| 00:04.49 | testi | and when do we have xorg 7.0? |
| 00:04.50 | deadcat | testi: and then you will have to wait for Xgl to hit experimental THEN unstable |
| 00:04.58 | deadcat | testi: when its ready |
| 00:05.01 | hyperactivecrond | :( /dev/hda1 = deleted /dev/hda2 deleted windows has made an ntfs fs on C: |
| 00:05.02 | testi | hehe :D |
| 00:05.09 | testi | no guesses? |
| 00:05.13 | deadcat | no |
| 00:05.30 | gravity | testi: It's in experimental |
| 00:05.56 | gravity | testi: It may go in to unstable this week but it may wait until the gnome transition that just started is finished so that we don't have a zillion major changes happening at once |
| 00:06.04 | jerome | testi: many relative guesses actually |
| 00:06.04 | nix | hmm, is there no xserver-xorg-dev package in etch? |
| 00:06.05 | Stevie | stew: My real problem is that the NIC on this stinkpad doesn't seem to work correctly |
| 00:06.15 | gravity | testi: As for Xgl in unstable, I can't say. It needs Mesa HEAD and I haven't decided if I want to push that in to unstable |
| 00:06.22 | nix | im trying to build input-joystick on etch |
| 00:06.42 | testi | so you decide that? |
| 00:06.49 | VulpesFoxnik | stew Done. Thankyou so much for all your help |
| 00:07.36 | stew | Stevie: be more explicit |
| 00:07.37 | hyperactivecrond | !bitchslap windows 2000 |
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| 00:08.01 | VulpesFoxnik | now now. 2ktan is much better behaved than XP |
| 00:08.11 | Mardus | stew_: Now I would only have to change apt sources to sarge, so I could do apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 00:08.23 | testi | and what about AIGLX |
| 00:08.36 | stew | gravity: yeah, you should take a break while the gnome transition happens and use the oppertunity to sponsor my ivman packages :) |
| 00:08.40 | Stevie | stew: is there a way to make d-i pick a larger framebuffer size (e.g. 1024x768) ? |
| 00:08.44 | hyperactivecrond | VulpesFoxnik: exactly |
| 00:08.55 | VulpesFoxnik | I've had XP get hungry and eat my entire user folder before |
| 00:09.06 | nekostar | gm |
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| 00:09.24 | freeone3000 | What's the best way to find where something is installed? |
| 00:09.28 | hyperactivecrond | XP == burnt shit |
| 00:09.29 | stew | Mardus: actually your sources.list are probably already pointing at "stable" which is sarge |
| 00:09.29 | nekostar | anyone know about largefile support? |
| 00:09.35 | deadcat | freeone3000: dpkg -L packagename |
| 00:09.46 | hyperactivecrond | 2k = just shit |
| 00:09.51 | freeone3000 | deadcat: Thank you... Been maning the wrong thing. |
| 00:10.04 | Mardus | stew: I made them sarge just-in-case. And then dist-upgrade? |
| 00:10.06 | stew | Stevie: its not using framebuffer, you could try passing vga=ask to the kernel |
| 00:10.13 | VulpesFoxnik | 2k3 is nice though. It's the fact that some windows software refuses to run on it is a problem |
| 00:10.19 | Stevie | then why does it say "trying to start framebuffer" ? |
| 00:10.22 | stew | Mardus: yes, but you should install aptitude and use that instead of apt-get |
| 00:10.28 | hyperactivecrond | VulpesFoxnik: if vista is stable, i'll cry |
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| 00:10.43 | hyperactivecrond | ...and ntfs formating is taking WAAAY too long here :\ |
| 00:10.48 | Mardus | stew: What's the difference? |
| 00:10.50 | VulpesFoxnik | hyperactivecrond: Well I'm routing for ReactOS |
| 00:11.04 | testi | How does _direct_ rendering work with Xgl? |
| 00:11.09 | freeone3000 | Mardus: One's gui. |
| 00:11.11 | na7e | while (ps -A | grep apt &>/dev/null||ps -A | grep dpkg &>/dev/null); do whiptail --msgbox "Please close any programs that may be using dpkg.\n\nEx: Synaptic, aptitude, apt, dpkg" 10 50;done |
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| 00:11.16 | VulpesFoxnik | hyperactivecrond: I'm not all that good at linux. I know the NT kernel fairly well. |
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| 00:11.23 | deadcat | testi: have you try searching on search engines? |
| 00:11.24 | paradiseL | hi all |
| 00:11.24 | na7e | for anyone who might have been listening in earlier: while (ps -A | grep apt &>/dev/null||ps -A | grep dpkg &>/dev/null); do whiptail --msgbox "Please close any programs that may be using dpkg.\n\nEx: Synaptic, aptitude, apt, dpkg" 10 50;done |
| 00:11.24 | stew | Mardus: apt-get doesn't always succeed in upgrading from woody->sarge becuase of a bug in woody's apt-get |
| 00:11.26 | gravity | testi: You may want to ask such questions in #xgl |
| 00:11.42 | Mardus | freeone3000: Like, ncurses-based gui? |
| 00:11.47 | testi | hehe thx |
| 00:11.54 | wols_ | na7e: evil. pure evil |
| 00:12.01 | wols_ | use a real languagfe |
| 00:12.03 | wols_ | -f |
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| 00:12.06 | paradiseL | im settings JAVA_HOME and it seems that I haven't got javac in the java directory. can anyone give a solution? |
| 00:12.14 | hyperactivecrond | yes reactos should be good :) |
| 00:12.14 | Mardus | stew: Ok, should I instead install X and then synaptic instead? |
| 00:12.16 | na7e | wols_, ?? |
| 00:12.34 | wols_ | na7e: one which allows you to check locks and such :) |
| 00:12.39 | stew | Mardus: no, you should use aptitude |
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| 00:12.50 | Mardus | stew: Hmm... |
| 00:12.54 | na7e | wols_, meh, i just want something that works immediately and easiely, this qualifies |
| 00:12.57 | Mardus | stew: I'll give it a try. |
| 00:13.01 | Azar | VulpesFoxnik: ReactOS written by the author of LeeOS? |
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| 00:13.15 | infernix | is it possible to control X with a joystick? |
| 00:13.16 | DuncanF | do I need to do anything to configure lilo after installing the package, just removed grub as well |
| 00:13.22 | thefish_ | Could a large enough group of evil black hat hackers disable an entire governmetn? |
| 00:13.35 | hyperactivecrond | windows needs a more configurable user manager, as in denying access to folders/programs/files/etc. |
| 00:13.41 | VulpesFoxnik | Azar: Don't know. I've just been watching the sourceforge project for a while. They've been working with wine |
| 00:13.46 | stew | thefish_: wrong channel |
| 00:13.48 | hyperactivecrond | like Fortres has. or linux can have by chmod -r/w/x ing |
| 00:13.54 | corvax | why doesnt gtkpod have m4a support geeesh |
| 00:13.54 | Mardus | stew: Now that I have the sources set to sarge, should I install aptitude like that (after apt-get update) or still from the CD? |
| 00:13.57 | hyperactivecrond | thefish_: you tell me |
| 00:13.59 | Azar | ah ok thanks VulpesFoxnik |
| 00:14.01 | thefish_ | no no I'm just making an entrance |
| 00:14.11 | hyperactivecrond | thefish_: we already have an enterance |
| 00:14.15 | hyperactivecrond | it's called /join #debian |
| 00:14.18 | petemc | hyperactivecrond: eh? you can set policies to block access to almost anything |
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| 00:14.22 | thefish_ | touché |
| 00:14.25 | thefish_ | egrep my face |
| 00:14.34 | hyperactivecrond | petemc: in schools |
| 00:14.36 | VulpesFoxnik | Azar They are no where near stable. Most Driver have to be installed with registry hacks and manual copy and pasting |
| 00:14.42 | petemc | whatever.. |
| 00:14.42 | stew | Mardus: i don't think aptitude is on the cd |
| 00:14.44 | hyperactivecrond | specifically computerlabs |
| 00:14.53 | paradiseL | can someone please send me the file javac???? |
| 00:14.54 | Azar | VulpesFoxnik: yes I read about it |
| 00:14.57 | hyperactivecrond | thefish_: ASCII Please |
| 00:15.17 | stew | paradiseL: huh? why? what are you trying to do? |
| 00:15.21 | thefish_ | version 3.1 just doesn't work |
| 00:15.23 | corvax | how to compile m4a support into the thing? |
| 00:15.24 | thefish_ | argh |
| 00:15.35 | paradiseL | stew: it seems that I haven't got it.. |
| 00:15.38 | stew | thefish_: "doesn't work"? |
| 00:15.59 | stew | paradiseL: "apt-get install java-compiler" |
| 00:16.02 | thefish_ | I mean, I am unable to operate it because I screwed up my computer triple-partitioning it and then dropping it down the stairs |
| 00:16.22 | hyperactivecrond | $DIETIY! it's taking 20 minutes to format a damned 4GB drive! |
| 00:16.31 | stew | paradiseL: i'd recommend jikes |
| 00:16.33 | petemc | format /q |
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| 00:16.36 | curt | thefish_, stairs can be harsh that way. |
| 00:16.44 | Stevie | stew: the e100 driver in the etch netinst cd I have isn't working correctly. The link light comes on but no packets come or go |
| 00:17.04 | stew | thefish_: do you have any debian related questions or are you just here to troll? |
| 00:17.17 | curt | hyperactivecrond, we really don't care about your windows escapades here... |
| 00:17.36 | wols_ | hyperactivecrond: verify... |
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| 00:17.42 | corvax | heheh |
| 00:17.45 | corvax | bb |
| 00:17.55 | hyperactivecrond | wols_: no... its in the install for win2k |
| 00:18.05 | ryanakca | how do you set aptitude up to look like this: http://aptitude.sourceforge.net/screenshots/aptitude-split-disp.jpg ? |
| 00:18.09 | hyperactivecrond | !topicbanter thefish_ |
| 00:18.12 | stew | Stevie: are you setting it up manually or with dhcp? |
| 00:18.16 | hyperactivecrond | eeh it died... |
| 00:18.40 | Stevie | stew: DHCP didn't work so I tried it manually |
| 00:19.23 | grandma | GRRR |
| 00:19.26 | thefish_ | Is the worst my ISP can do for me hosting a thing on my linuxboxofhell against their policies just killing my contract? ALSO untroll: is there any reason my /etc and /vars keep disappearing? |
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| 00:19.32 | samuel | anyone know why rhythmbox doesnt play any longer? ive got alsa drivers here, can rhythmbox play to alsa? |
| 00:19.33 | yetistomps | to change smbmnt to suid root = chmod u+s /usr/bin/smbmnt ? |
| 00:19.34 | hyperactivecrond | !tell thefish_ about guidelines |
| 00:19.55 | grandma | i installed linux-wlan-ng source, and ran module assistant...i still am not seeing the wlan interface |
| 00:19.59 | hyperactivecrond | specifically #8 buddy |
| 00:20.10 | zxc | where can I get dpkg's factoid db? |
| 00:20.16 | thefish_ | never mind |
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| 00:20.36 | stew | Stevie: how are you telling how many packets are coming and going? |
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| 00:21.48 | stew | Stevie: are you sure its not a bad cable? are you sure that the physical interface isn't broken? |
| 00:21.50 | Stevie | stew: Let me rephrase what I said. I did 'ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.200' and tried 'wget -O- http://192.168.0.1/' with no success |
| 00:22.12 | Mardus | stew: aptitude is on the woody #1 CD. |
| 00:22.36 | Stevie | tx packets: 8 errors: 0 dropped: 0 overruns: 0 carrier: 0 |
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| 00:22.52 | rpmx | hi |
| 00:23.22 | Kovecses | hi |
| 00:23.24 | stew | Stevie: can you ping 192.168.0.1? |
| 00:23.40 | Stevie | stew: from the machine? I lack a ping command |
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| 00:23.52 | Blissex | Stevie: 'ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.200' is not really enough. |
| 00:23.57 | stew | yes it is |
| 00:24.05 | Stevie | Blissex: do tell |
| 00:24.10 | deadcat | subnet |
| 00:24.11 | stew | Blissex: its enough to talk to 192.168.0.1 |
| 00:24.14 | Blissex | Stevie: 'man ifup' |
| 00:24.17 | paradiseL | im using two operating system which both are in different hard drives. can I somehow put them both in one boot screen? |
| 00:24.18 | Blissex | stew: depends :-) |
| 00:24.29 | Stevie | /bin/sh: man: not found |
| 00:24.37 | infernix | i'm trying to control X with my joystick; i've found out that Xorg has an xf86Jstk driver, but cannot find any documentation. i've found joy2key but that doesn't support mouse emulation. any clues as to what I could try or where to look for docs on Xorg's joystick support? |
| 00:24.37 | Kovecses | paradiseL, yes |
| 00:24.38 | rpmx | I have files tif that contain image and data, that only I can read with editor vi, but If i search register and use grep, this data was transformed from oracle databases |
| 00:24.40 | stew | Blissex: ok, assuming there is no router between him and 192.168.0.1 it is enough |
| 00:24.42 | Blissex | Stevie: if you haven't got the 'man' command you are in trouble.... |
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| 00:24.58 | Blissex | Stevie: can you use a text editor? |
| 00:24.59 | paradiseL | how? |
| 00:25.01 | yetistomps | My mouse scrolling does not work. It is protocol IMPS/2 Option device is /dev/mouse |
| 00:25.10 | yetistomps | how can i make it scroll? |
| 00:25.13 | eeyore- | paradiseL: sure. assuming your OS can actually boot like that, you can use either lilo/grub to handle the selection of which OS to boot |
| 00:25.19 | Blissex | Stevie: all it takes is writing a couple of lines to '/etc/network/interfaces' |
| 00:25.33 | stew | Stevie: you can ignore Blissex, he's not following |
| 00:25.37 | Blissex | Stevie: thats the proper way of foing things... |
| 00:25.45 | paradiseL | eeyore: how do I do that? |
| 00:25.46 | Stevie | /bin/sh: ifup: not found |
| 00:25.49 | yetistomps | I also have: Option "ZAxisMapping" "5" and Option "Buttons" "4 5" |
| 00:25.50 | paradiseL | im not sure. |
| 00:25.50 | eeyore- | yetistomps: stomp stomp stomp ... actually, you have to make sure you have "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" option in your X config file |
| 00:25.55 | Blissex | stew: admittedly I just jumped in. |
| 00:25.59 | eeyore- | yetistomps: doing the yeti stomp ... |
| 00:26.04 | stew | Blissex: he's in the middle of d-i |
| 00:26.04 | yetistomps | hehe.. |
| 00:26.12 | Stevie | stew: moved it to 192.168.0.240 to avoid any possible IP collision. I tried pinging 192.168.0.240 with another host and got no response |
| 00:26.13 | Blissex | stew: ah damn. |
| 00:26.16 | samuel | funny thing is... rhythmbox doesnt work but sound works fine... totem works with gstreamer-alsa and all... is something i dont know about broken? |
| 00:26.17 | Stevie | not even an ARP response |
| 00:26.35 | stew | Stevie: do you have anything in your routing table? |
| 00:26.47 | Blissex | Stevie: then try 'ifconfig eth0' to see what it looks like, and then 'route' |
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| 00:26.55 | stew | Stevie: and is 192.168.0.1 in fact on the same switch as you? |
| 00:26.55 | Stevie | route what? |
| 00:26.57 | yetistomps | brb |
| 00:26.58 | Stevie | stew: aaye |
| 00:27.07 | stew | Stevie: "/sbin/route -n" |
| 00:27.09 | Stevie | Reply from 192.168.0.1: bytes=32 time=1ms TTL=127 |
| 00:27.14 | paradiseL | eeyore: how do I do that? |
| 00:27.19 | Stevie | only one route, stew |
| 00:27.22 | stew | Stevie: aha, so then your network does work |
| 00:27.35 | Stevie | 192.168.0.0 gw 0.0.0.0 mask 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 00:27.52 | eeyore- | paradiseL: read up on grub/lilo's documentation :-) |
| 00:27.56 | Stevie | stew: my network works. my network card is not being so agreeable |
| 00:28.08 | grandma | arrgh, why do blogs clog up my google searches? |
| 00:28.18 | stew | Stevie: are you sure there is a webserver running on 192.168.0.1? |
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| 00:28.30 | stew | Stevie: ... on port 80? |
| 00:28.31 | zrin | neither oracle did manage to produce their .deb package correctly, i.e. include all dependencies... |
| 00:28.47 | Stevie | stew: did you miss the part about "I tried pinging the IP assigned to the laptop from another host on the network" ? |
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| 00:29.08 | Stevie | stew: and yes, I'm sure. 192.168.0.1 is a crappy d-link router. |
| 00:29.34 | Waggie | Hi folks, got a vsftpd question I'm hoping to get some help with. I need a user to be able to upload to a directory, but not delete the file they uploaded. I've set local_umask to create the file with -r--rw-r-- so they can't modify it (setgid is set to a group the user in question isn't a part of), but I have to set the directory writable for them so they can upload, which allows them to delete files regardless of the file perms. An |
| 00:29.45 | stew | Stevie: then its something physical, either the cable or the card or the switch is broken |
| 00:29.57 | Stevie | stew: I don't think so |
| 00:30.24 | stew | Stevie: do you really think that the e100 driver is so broken and nobody noticed before it made it onto the cd? |
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| 00:30.33 | stew | Stevie: (btw i'm using that driver now, with that kernel, on a thinkpad) |
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| 00:30.47 | \amethyst | Waggie: So they shouldn't even be able to delete their own files? |
| 00:30.48 | Stevie | http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2005/02/msg00217.html |
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| 00:30.57 | Waggie | amethyst: Correct. |
| 00:30.59 | Stevie | stew: meh. is there some BIOS shit that I need to fix or something? |
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| 00:31.08 | Aghaster | hi, i have a problem with gnome. each time i try to login X restarts and i get back to the login screen |
| 00:31.11 | eeyore- | Waggie: modify the source code to vsftpd, then |
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| 00:31.17 | eeyore- | Waggie: simple enough problem ... |
| 00:31.23 | Waggie | I also happen to use the e100 driver in Sid, with no difficulties. |
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| 00:31.40 | Rob] | Hi. |
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| 00:31.53 | stew | Stevie: that bug report was for a different kernel, btw |
| 00:31.57 | eeyore- | Stevie: no, the e100 driver is not broken :-) |
| 00:32.01 | Stevie | meh. |
| 00:32.03 | Stevie | this sucks. |
| 00:32.07 | Rob] | does someone know how i upgrade glibc 2.3.2 to glibc 2.3.3 ? |
| 00:32.12 | Waggie | eeyore-: If I was a programmer that *might* be feasible. :) |
| 00:32.16 | Rob] | at sarge even |
| 00:32.26 | eeyore- | Stevie: rephrase your question again. i miss the whole thing |
| 00:32.33 | rpmx | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:32.37 | eeyore- | Waggie: it's really easy, you can even try to feel your way around it |
| 00:32.57 | eeyore- | Waggie: or, you can beg/pay someone to do it for you :-) |
| 00:33.09 | Waggie | eeyore-: I'll add that to my list of options. |
| 00:33.10 | Mardus | stew: With Aptitude, I wouldn't have to do anything else than press g to download/update packages? |
| 00:33.16 | Waggie | (as a last ditch effort) |
| 00:33.21 | rpmx | any ideas for batch or extract data or utilitary ? |
| 00:33.31 | stew | Mardus: just run "aptitude dist-upgrade" from the command line, you can use it just like apt-get |
| 00:33.40 | Mardus | stew: Oh, that's even better. |
| 00:33.42 | beardy | rpmx: Rephrase and elaborate. |
| 00:34.05 | zrin | how can I check if the system is heavyly swapping? |
| 00:34.31 | stew | zrin: /msg dpkg am i swapping |
| 00:34.45 | Stevie | my system his heavily wife swapping |
| 00:34.51 | beardy | zrin: 'free' or 'top' |
| 00:35.05 | Mardus | stew: Only that aptitude dist-upgrade tells me that I have unmet dependencies. |
| 00:35.24 | zrin | beardy: top will show swap space in use, but that's ok, it does not mean it is "heavily swapping" |
| 00:35.33 | stew | Mardus: run "aptitude update" and try again |
| 00:35.44 | Stevie | this sucks. |
| 00:35.46 | stew | zrin: you want the "so" column in vmstat |
| 00:35.55 | beardy | zrin: Listen to the drive then, or watch the led. |
| 00:35.57 | rpmx | beardy, I sorry I only spanish gramatical :( |
| 00:35.57 | zrin | stew: y, thank you |
| 00:35.57 | stew | Stevie: you could ask in #debian-boot |
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| 00:36.01 | eeyore- | Stevie: care to re-describe your problem? |
| 00:36.02 | Stevie | I have one supported NIC that doesn't work, and and two nics hat work but are unsupported |
| 00:36.06 | beardy | !es |
| 00:36.07 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 00:36.30 | Mardus | stew: Still happens. Oh, is it perhaps because I still have the CD-ROM put as source? |
| 00:36.30 | paradiseL | someone should fix grub to boot OS's from other hard drives. |
| 00:36.39 | stew | Mardus: run apt-setup |
| 00:36.40 | rpmx | dpkg, i have better result in this chanel |
| 00:36.51 | Kovecses | paradiseL, grub can |
| 00:36.53 | kjdis | I'm trying to launch X for the first time, but I don't have anything under /dev that is a mouse as far as I can tell, only under /dev/.static, it fails, I can get it to run with void driver but then I can only get a black screen |
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| 00:37.11 | beardy | kjdis: What kind of mouse do you have? |
| 00:37.14 | kjdis | What is /dev/input/mice ? |
| 00:37.15 | paradiseL | Kovecses: it can't boot OS's from other HardDrives |
| 00:37.22 | Kovecses | paradiseL, yes it can |
| 00:37.26 | kjdis | well right now I plugged in a wireless keyboard mouse combo |
| 00:37.28 | stew | kjdis: modprobe mousedev ; put mousedev into /etc/modules |
| 00:37.28 | pipeline | paradiseL: Yes, it can |
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| 00:37.32 | \amethyst | kjdis: it's a multiplexer for all the mice on the system |
| 00:37.32 | beardy | kjdis: The device you should use if you have a usbmouse. |
| 00:37.37 | paradiseL | Kovecses: how do you do it then? |
| 00:37.46 | eeyore- | paradiseL: it already does that |
| 00:37.47 | Kovecses | paradiseL, it all depends |
| 00:37.47 | Mardus | stew: I went through its routine and chose my country... |
| 00:38.02 | kjdis | Should I actually have a /dev/input/mice ? I don't |
| 00:38.06 | JohnFlux | I can't install mysql. It seems to depend on two packages that conflicat |
| 00:38.07 | Kovecses | paradiseL, what is you setup |
| 00:38.09 | JohnFlux | conflict |
| 00:38.14 | stew | Mardus: put your sources.list and the output of aptitude dist-upgrade into a pastebin |
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| 00:38.18 | paradiseL | a have two hard drives with OS's how do I get them on the same boot screen? |
| 00:38.19 | beardy | kjdis: Do what stew said. |
| 00:38.23 | stew | JohnFlux: /msg dpkg bat |
| 00:38.24 | Blissex | kjdis: it is not indispensable, but it should almost always be there. |
| 00:38.32 | tyler | which codec should i use for mplayer.. essential or all??? can i use both??? |
| 00:38.34 | kjdis | oh yueah I forgot mousedev |
| 00:38.40 | elirips | hello. i just compiled a new kernel and had a "can not mount root fs" kernel-panic. i have included the ext3-driver in the kernel, should i go fine if i include this time also the modules ide-disk and the option IDE_GENERIC? |
| 00:38.43 | kjdis | I forgot I read that in an article earlier |
| 00:38.46 | kjdis | sorry |
| 00:39.03 | Mardus | stew: I didn't know about apt-setup, so I added just plain deb sources, without deb-src. I think that might have solved the problem. |
| 00:39.07 | stew | elirips: it should, make sure you compiling them in (*) or not as modules (M) |
| 00:39.12 | kjdis | I think the forum message (that;s what it was) said mousedec nmuist go ABOVE other modules, xcorrect? |
| 00:39.16 | eeyore- | Stevie: how do you know the nic doesn't work? |
| 00:39.21 | stew | kjdis: no its not correct |
| 00:39.34 | beardy | elirips: You forgot to include support for your root filesystem. |
| 00:39.41 | elirips | stew, thank you, i selected them with 'Y' in make xconfig. then i'll give it a try again. |
| 00:39.42 | beardy | !wayc elirips |
| 00:39.42 | dpkg | elirips: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 00:39.54 | kjdis | stew: below it then? |
| 00:39.59 | Mardus | How/where do I dump texts into pastebin? |
| 00:40.03 | stew | kjdis: doesn't matter |
| 00:40.16 | beardy | !tell Mardus -about pastebin |
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| 00:40.23 | elirips | beardy, i have included support for ext3 in the kernel, and i would like to give a newer kernel a try.. |
| 00:40.38 | kjdis | stew: ok, well this poster was hacing problems and he said that solved it, anyway now onto getting the screen to come up, I'm guessing I have incorrect video modes or something like that |
| 00:40.57 | stew | !drxx kjdis |
| 00:40.57 | dpkg | kjdis: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 00:41.03 | eeyore- | elirips: "cannot mount root fs" = "i can't figure out the filesystem type, or there's no driver for the hardware device" |
| 00:41.11 | beardy | elirips: Make sure it's compiled _into_ the kernel, not as a module, as stew said above. |
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| 00:41.21 | deadcat | woohoo. my bag is finally here (= |
| 00:41.25 | kjdis | I did reconfigure it, still black |
| 00:41.46 | beardy | kjdis: black? |
| 00:41.47 | Kovecses | i dont thin ext3 can be compiled as a module? |
| 00:41.54 | Rob] | Hm, does anyone have a idea about update glibc 2.3.2 to 2.3.3 at sarge ? |
| 00:42.00 | eeyore- | Kovecses: it can |
| 00:42.03 | stew | Kovecses: of course it can, what do you mean? |
| 00:42.07 | kjdis | black / blank |
| 00:42.11 | stew | Rob]: don't do it |
| 00:42.12 | Kovecses | stew, im just lost i guess |
| 00:42.13 | beardy | Kovecses: Most if not all fs support can. |
| 00:42.14 | Kovecses | lol |
| 00:42.37 | Stevie | geh |
| 00:42.37 | beardy | kjdis: Did you tell your bootloader/reinstalled/updated it? |
| 00:42.38 | Rob] | stew: bad thing i need it for a game :( and the 2.3.2 should have a sse bug stil |
| 00:42.43 | Mardus | stew: I got it there into pastebin now. I do admit that something's not quite right there. |
| 00:42.56 | kjdis | I am experimenting, just trying to fire up startxcfe4 manually |
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| 00:42.59 | Rob] | stew: but yea, read somthing about, thats its going systemwide |
| 00:43.15 | elirips | eeyore-, uh, maybe i didn't remember the error-message right, but i have CONFIG_EXT3_FS=y in the kernel config. |
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| 00:43.34 | beardy | kjdis: Oh, sorry, wrong person. My mistake. |
| 00:43.42 | eeyore- | elirips: do you have support for your hard disk controller? |
| 00:43.44 | stew | Rob]: if this game is really worth it, you'd be better off moving to testing which would get you 2.3.5 |
| 00:44.06 | elirips | eeyore-, i had ide-disk and IDE_GENERIC as module last time, so I think it failed because of that. |
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| 00:44.34 | admin_ | whats the apache irc address |
| 00:44.42 | Rob] | stew: planeshift, if you know it. but any higher as 2.3.2 is better |
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| 00:44.46 | beardy | admin_: #apache ? |
| 00:45.05 | Kovecses | Rob], what game? |
| 00:45.07 | admin_ | well which server do u connect to ? irc.freenode.net? |
| 00:45.19 | Rob] | Kovecses: PLaneshift |
| 00:45.25 | beardy | admin_: How should we know, read their webpage. |
| 00:45.27 | beardy | !u |
| 00:45.27 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 00:45.27 | Kovecses | Rob], url? |
| 00:45.40 | Rob] | Kovecses: www.planeshift.it |
| 00:45.50 | beardy | admin_: Just see if it exists on freenode, while you're here. |
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| 00:46.10 | Rob] | Kovecses: are you in search for a good game ? :P |
| 00:46.19 | Kovecses | Rob], yeah |
| 00:46.24 | Rob] | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:46.35 | Rob] | its MMORPG |
| 00:46.42 | Bucciarati | tetrinet is the game! |
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| 00:46.53 | slinn | planeshift isn't all that great |
| 00:46.54 | Kovecses | tetrinet? |
| 00:46.55 | admin_ | well ibeardy i found it a long time back but it seems to be not on their site anymore anyways ill check. |
| 00:47.09 | Rob] | and have funky grafiks, but its really at tech demo and under developement |
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| 00:47.26 | Rob] | slinn: its better as to pay the whole time |
| 00:47.33 | admin_ | hmm there doesnt seem to be a host |
| 00:47.45 | Kovecses | true combat elite is a very cool linux game |
| 00:47.52 | admin_ | anyways here is the problem i wanna disable index.html as the home page in a specific folder |
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| 00:48.10 | admin_ | basically i have an upload.cgi and it uplaods it to a folder |
| 00:48.33 | beardy | !folder |
| 00:48.33 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
| 00:48.34 | admin_ | however today i found out that if u upload index.html it thikns that is the home page |
| 00:48.41 | beardy | Don't be offended. |
| 00:48.53 | admin_ | i'm not beardy |
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| 00:49.13 | beardy | Kovecses: Enemy Territory too. |
| 00:49.19 | Rob] | Kovecses: nice, but i played a while Rogue Spear under Windows, and have enough from that stupids Teamkillers |
| 00:49.20 | stew | admin_: <Directory /path/to/direcoty>\nDirecotryIndex upload.cgi\n</Directory> |
| 00:49.38 | admin_ | well the cgi is working fine |
| 00:49.47 | Kovecses | Rob], what? |
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| 00:51.01 | Rob] | Kovecses: Rogue Spear is a shooter too. and there are a lot peoples, where have fun to kill the teammates at a coop mission |
| 00:51.05 | fmasi | hi how do i get a full apt source list for testing |
| 00:51.09 | beardy | admin_: What stew said solves your problem (probably). He meant you should add that to your httpd.conf to set the default index file to your upload.cgi in that directory that you want, so index.html isnot used as the index file. |
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| 00:51.48 | pollywog | I see that courier-imap is in the debian archives but I am unable to apt-get source (etch)... any ideas why? |
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| 00:52.13 | stew | pollywog: you have a deb-src line in sources.list? |
| 00:52.20 | pollywog | stew: yes |
| 00:52.26 | beardy | admin_: and \n means a new line, in case you didn't know |
| 00:52.33 | Mardus | stew: Did you get to look at my pastebin entry? |
| 00:52.47 | stew | Mardus: you haven't posted one |
| 00:52.54 | Mardus | stew: I thought I had |
| 00:53.10 | stew | Mardus: "/lastlog Mardus" doesn't think you did |
| 00:53.22 | stew | pollywog: and you've run apt-get update since adding it? |
| 00:53.32 | pollywog | yes several times |
| 00:53.40 | Mardus | stew: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2194 |
| 00:53.57 | pollywog | maybe I need better sources in my source.list ? |
| 00:54.10 | pollywog | sources.list |
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| 00:54.50 | fmasi | where can i get god souces in my sources.list ?? i nead to install eclips and a java virtual machine |
| 00:54.56 | pollywog | my system is all etch btw |
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| 00:55.22 | pollywog | no mix-n-match this time |
| 00:55.22 | stew | pollywog: put you sources.list into a pastebin |
| 00:55.25 | zrin | I realized I need a bit more powerful development machine, for C++, java, databases; it shall run debian and XP under vmware; please give me suggestions about CPU(s) and Mainboard |
| 00:55.28 | beardy | !tell fmasi -about java-package |
| 00:55.32 | stew | Mardus: what error are you getting? |
| 00:55.35 | pollywog | stew:k |
| 00:55.37 | beardy | fmasi: Your sources are probably just fine. |
| 00:56.03 | fmasi | and what about eclipse |
| 00:56.11 | stew | fmasi: what version of debian are you running? |
| 00:56.17 | fmasi | testing |
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| 00:56.27 | Mardus | stew: The same error: "The following packages have unmet dependencies: [followed by list of packages]" |
| 00:56.31 | DuncanF | hmm, is there a way to lower the overall text size in KDE? |
| 00:56.40 | beardy | !eclipse |
| 00:56.40 | dpkg | hmm... eclipse is the end of the world, or an awesome extensible IDE written in Java. http://www.eclipse.org/, or get it from unstable |
| 00:56.42 | stew | fmasi: its not in testing yet, only unstable |
| 00:56.43 | fmasi | um but my apt is set to etch |
| 00:57.01 | stew | Mardus: yes i'm wondering what packages |
| 00:57.09 | beardy | fmasi: Manually download the package, and install it. Or.. |
| 00:57.12 | beardy | !simple sid backport |
| 00:57.12 | dpkg | from memory, simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports>, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/abp/ |
| 00:57.27 | Mardus | stew: Oh, I hope I can give you their names, too... |
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| 00:57.50 | Rob] | stew: anyway thx for the hint for 2.3.5 |
| 00:57.54 | zxc | where may I get dpkg's factoids database dump? |
| 00:58.00 | beardy | !your factoids |
| 00:58.00 | dpkg | My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ They are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. there is a searchable database of my factoids at http://dpkg.vireo.org/ |
| 00:58.06 | zxc | thanks |
| 00:58.13 | SimonRaven | !your factoids |
| 00:58.13 | dpkg | My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ They are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. there is a searchable database of my factoids at http://dpkg.vireo.org/ |
| 00:58.16 | beardy | zxc: You're welcome. |
| 00:58.21 | SimonRaven | fucking lagf |
| 00:58.22 | beardy | !lose SimonRaven |
| 00:58.22 | dpkg | SimonRaven: You Lose. |
| 00:58.23 | DuncanF | beardy for simple sid do you need console to be in any specific directory? |
| 00:58.30 | freeone3000 | Where is my apache aspx installed to? dpkg -L apache2 isn't giving me anything helpful. |
| 00:58.35 | SimonRaven | sorry |
| 00:58.49 | SimonRaven | ah come on talk about slow mo' |
| 00:58.55 | Mardus | stew: got it pasted |
| 00:59.08 | SimonRaven | it's doing that dumb shit again |
| 00:59.23 | beardy | DuncanF: The sources are probably downloaded to the current working directory yes, where you stand when you do it, so go to /usr/local/src |
| 00:59.34 | beardy | !beer SimonRaven |
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| 00:59.44 | DuncanF | beardy, thanks |
| 00:59.52 | SimonRaven | thanks for the thought |
| 01:00.04 | beardy | :) |
| 01:00.18 | kjdis | modelines |
| 01:00.23 | stew | Mardus: if you give me the url, i will look |
| 01:00.40 | pollywog | stew: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2196 |
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| 01:01.06 | pollywog | it says it cannot find a source package |
| 01:01.10 | JasonX | I am trying to create a tar that follows symbolic links but when i do `# tar -cfh /tmp/mapped.tar /tmp/mapped` it gives errors? |
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| 01:01.26 | beardy | JasonX: What errors? |
| 01:01.47 | Ethiainen | heyas allç |
| 01:02.09 | JasonX | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:02.14 | SimonRaven | serious issues with Dynaloader.pm i think. saw some errors yesterday about them, and the core file |
| 01:02.36 | JasonX | I have a folder with lots of symbolic links to all the important stuff on my system |
| 01:02.55 | Mardus | stew: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2195 |
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| 01:03.44 | Ethiainen | i'm new to debian, and im thinking on building a file server for (+-100 user) just dunno wich debian version should i go for... stable looks outdated, is testing an option? |
| 01:03.48 | Ethiainen | thank you |
| 01:04.10 | freeone3000 | Stable is outdated. If you're looking for a server, you might want to go there. Nothing wrong with testing at all, however. |
| 01:04.13 | SimonRaven | stable isn't outdated |
| 01:04.13 | beardy | Ethiainen: Use stable. No, it's not. |
| 01:04.21 | SimonRaven | stable is stable |
| 01:04.23 | stew | pollywog: does "apt-get source courier" work? (either that or courier-imap should both have no problem installing the courier source package) |
| 01:04.38 | pollywog | I think I tried that too |
| 01:04.42 | JasonX | is -h supposed to be used by tar to cause it to store the actual files the links points to? cos it dont work for me |
| 01:04.45 | beardy | Ethiainen: For a server, use stable, anything else will not get you any help at all, at least not here. |
| 01:04.46 | SimonRaven | it is *not* outdated. only if you look at it from the POV of a gamer .... |
| 01:04.53 | Mardus | Ethiainen: Unless you still think these days by some mistake that stable=woody. |
| 01:05.01 | chealer | Ethiainen: all Debian releases are outdated, so you can't justify your choice based on whether it's outdated or not |
| 01:05.13 | freeone3000 | SimonRaven: Or a PHP developer. |
| 01:05.24 | freeone3000 | SimonRaven: It's a version behind. |
| 01:05.31 | beardy | Bohoo. |
| 01:05.35 | pollywog | stew: thanks that worked |
| 01:05.42 | SimonRaven | yes, for devs, (any) it is older stuff. |
| 01:05.46 | pollywog | I thought I had already tried that |
| 01:06.12 | stew | pollywog: that's odd, courier-imap should have been pointing to the courier source package |
| 01:06.15 | beardy | Ethiainen: You will have good use of these: |
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| 01:06.21 | SimonRaven | unless that's what you're looking for in your s/w dev :) |
| 01:06.22 | beardy | !tell Ethiainen -about ig |
| 01:06.22 | rabies | 'ello |
| 01:06.27 | beardy | !tell Ethiainen -about reference |
| 01:06.28 | stew | Mardus: give me the output of apt-cache policy e2fslibs |
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| 01:06.47 | pollywog | and I know I tried courier-imap and courier-imap-ssl which usually work |
| 01:06.50 | pollywog | thanks |
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| 01:07.11 | Ethiainen | thanks for your opinions and help, realy appreciate it |
| 01:07.30 | Ethiainen | think ill go for stable then! |
| 01:07.37 | beardy | Ethiainen: And when you install, use the netinstaller if you have a better than dialup internet connection. |
| 01:07.40 | SimonRaven | wow, my voice didn't give out tonight. feels good i can get away with a few good songs even a few days after my laryngitis |
| 01:07.41 | beardy | !d-i Ethiainen |
| 01:07.41 | dpkg | Ethiainen, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 01:08.04 | beardy | Ethiainen: Good luck. |
| 01:08.12 | Ethiainen | beardy thank you |
| 01:08.35 | SimonRaven | last thrusday we were singing full blast i mean full blast no mics, and i blew a fuse (lost my voice friday :/) |
| 01:08.47 | [TechGuy] | are there any updated performance benchmarks between Debian and other dists, and FreeBSD? |
| 01:08.49 | beardy | Ethiainen: You're welcome :) |
| 01:08.53 | JasonX | i am currently using `cp -rL mapped/* mapped2 : tar -cf mapped2.tar mapped2` as tar -h gives errors anyone know how to make tar archive deref'd links? |
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| 01:09.29 | SimonRaven | [TechGuy]: benchmarks are biased, even when done "right". and don't reflect real-time and everyday use |
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| 01:09.43 | [TechGuy] | SimonRaven: Uh yeah, I know. |
| 01:09.44 | Ethiainen | it will be runing on dell 1850, i been reading theres some issues with it (megaraid related). Anyone care to share experiencies. im thinking on runing 2.6 kernel |
| 01:09.52 | SimonRaven | Ethiainen: have fun |
| 01:09.57 | beardy | [TechGuy]: So why care about them? |
| 01:10.04 | SimonRaven | [TechGuy]: so if you know, why are you asking anyway? |
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| 01:10.16 | Mardus | stew: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2197 |
| 01:10.25 | beardy | Ethiainen: Indeed, have fun. |
| 01:10.45 | yetistomps | what's the easiest way to backup an EXACT image of my debian build right now? I have everything in working order. Sound, network, samba, printer. If somewhere in the future i mess this installation i would like to use a CD image that pretty much erases EVERYTHING and installs the image in it |
| 01:10.45 | [TechGuy] | beardy: Because I know both systems equally well, and all things being equal, I was looking for any type of performance difference that would help the decision for me. I don't like doing a simple coin-toss. |
| 01:10.46 | [TechGuy] | ;) |
| 01:10.52 | Mardus | stew: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2197 (reposting, because there seemed to be a short disconnect again) |
| 01:10.58 | nano- | Hi. When I start dbus-viewer I can't see any HAL service even though HAL is started (Debian/Sid). |
| 01:11.04 | SimonRaven | Ethiainen: i tried a megaraid card on a ppc once, it locked up when the driver loaded. dunno otherwise |
| 01:11.07 | nano- | Are there any prerequisites? |
| 01:11.17 | pollywog | yeti did you compile it the debian way? |
| 01:11.21 | stew | Mardus: you need to run apt-get update, it should be seeing a version from this line: deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free |
| 01:11.36 | stew | Mardus: i mean aptitude update |
| 01:11.37 | SimonRaven | [TechGuy]: use what you like, and what you "need" for the purpose you have in mind |
| 01:11.44 | yetistomps | pollywog, i did a net installation. |
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| 01:11.54 | beardy | [TechGuy]: If performance is the only thing you measure things by, and not Good Things, then perhaps some source based thing is what you want. |
| 01:12.20 | yetistomps | pollywog, so it's brand new.. fresh so to speak. |
| 01:12.20 | pollywog | I wonder if dpkg-repack will do that, have you looked in /var/cache/apt/archive for the deb? |
| 01:12.37 | pollywog | check there for the deb first |
| 01:12.40 | SimonRaven | yetistomps: you could start by tarring up / /lib /etc/ /var/lib and store that somewhere (hint, partial backup too ;) |
| 01:12.55 | beardy | [TechGuy]: (and the performance difference is probably at microsecond level) |
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| 01:13.14 | pollywog | SimonRaven: would dpkg-repack make a deb from the installed image? |
| 01:13.18 | Loof | Anyone kow if there is a hylafax IRC channel or equivalent? |
| 01:13.19 | EdsonCarlos | boa noite pessoal, sou novo no linux e preciso de ajuda... uso o debian-br-cdd, como faço para capturar uma tela??? |
| 01:13.20 | beardy | s/microsecond/millisecond |
| 01:13.23 | Mardus | stew: I ran aptitude update and several lines were from what you referred to. |
| 01:13.27 | pollywog | brazil |
| 01:13.28 | [TechGuy] | beardy: Good Things (e.g. license and the whole Social Contract stuff) are not a major concern of mine. Debian I like because I'm getting lazy using Ports. FreeBSD I originally switched to because some deb's I needed were never being accepted in, and because of supposed benchmarks that showed FreeBSD being better in network concurrency |
| 01:13.45 | pollywog | oh the bot did not answer |
| 01:13.45 | yetistomps | SimonRaven, is it possible to tar everything from / ? |
| 01:14.02 | SimonRaven | yetistomps: dpkg --get-selections > some_file for the packages that are installed and dpkg --set-selections < some_file to get it back. then run aptitude or dselect and let it do its work |
| 01:14.11 | yetistomps | SimonRaven, and then uncompress it and COPY over an existing installation/ |
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| 01:14.39 | SimonRaven | if you have the space. i'd do it sectionally, but that's my preference |
| 01:14.44 | magyar | how does debian sets up an "sit0" interface? |
| 01:15.22 | yetistomps | SimonRaven, hmm.. how do I find out how much space my installation takes on /? |
| 01:15.24 | Mardus | stew: Although the errors do persist, when I try aptitude dist-upgrade. Should I comment ftp.ee.debian.org out for a while instead? |
| 01:15.31 | SimonRaven | du -sk |
| 01:15.39 | deadcat | SimonRaven: want to check out my new bag just got here via UPS (= |
| 01:15.51 | DuncanF | hmm, is debhelper 5.0.25 stable? |
| 01:15.56 | beardy | [TechGuy]: I meant mostly the package system and the large amount of labour saving scripts and Debian ways, but to some what you mentioned is the most important thing, even if it's not important to you, what I more thought of is also things to consider. But search the web for benchmarks (of whatever you want to focus on) and use what bests suits you/your needs. |
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| 01:16.09 | EightiesK | !fat32 |
| 01:16.09 | dpkg | modprobe vfat ; mount -t vfat /dev/whatever /wherever |
| 01:16.21 | magyar | i have a tunnel set on my system, but i didnt install it. How is it possible? |
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| 01:16.36 | SimonRaven | deadcat: eh? new bag? |
| 01:16.48 | asg | SimonRaven: scrotal implant? |
| 01:16.54 | yetistomps | SimonRaven, go all the way to / and then type du -sk? |
| 01:16.57 | Mardus | asg: LOL |
| 01:17.21 | deadcat | SimonRaven: ya. just in. waited all day: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/2006/20060320_timbuk2/ |
| 01:17.25 | asg | Mardus: in #debian, you never know ;) |
| 01:17.32 | SimonRaven | magyar: it's gotten from ipv6 and 6in4 drivers. sit1 is usually the one that gets set up due to an old bug (it's become convention now, unless the bug isn't gone yet ;) |
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| 01:17.38 | SimonRaven | yetistomps: du -sk / |
| 01:17.58 | [TechGuy] | beardy: True. FreeBSD Ports I don't mind. But... anyway. There are other circumstances that are shifting me back to Debian. it's just that the benchmarks I find are over two years old. :( And like I said, both systems are equally "best" right now to me. It's a tossup |
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| 01:18.13 | kjdis | Is there other ways to have modules loaded each boot besides /etc/modules? |
| 01:18.16 | EightiesK | anyone know how i can keep my windows and ubuntu partions mounted in debian so it stays that way even after start up? |
| 01:18.39 | yetistomps | SimonRaven, ack.. permission denied on a lot of stuff.. Maybe i should do it as root. = 138192570 (?) |
| 01:18.42 | asg | kjdis: you could create your own /etc/init.d script (see /etc/init.d/skeleton for an example) |
| 01:18.47 | SimonRaven | [TechGuy]: ooh, i see |
| 01:18.49 | nkuttler | EightiesK: man interfaces |
| 01:18.51 | JasonX | can i copy a folder to another folder so it keeps the file ownerships the same and derefs symlinks |
| 01:18.53 | magyar | SimonRaven, I got a 192.168.0.0 network but my interface shows 169.254.148.236 address |
| 01:18.53 | yetistomps | SimonRaven, 1.3 gigs? |
| 01:18.55 | nkuttler | EightiesK: man fstab i mean |
| 01:19.03 | SimonRaven | yetistomps: yeh ;) |
| 01:19.11 | asg | JasonX: cp -a (man cp also) |
| 01:19.23 | SimonRaven | magyar: that's different. you have some sort of zeroconf thing installed |
| 01:19.27 | yetistomps | SimonRaven, not too bad. :-) Should be able to burn it on a DVD. |
| 01:19.30 | EightiesK | nk_nkuttler what do you mean? |
| 01:19.35 | [TechGuy] | SimonRaven: The latest benchmark I found was pitting 2.4.6 vs. FreeBSD 5.3, which like I said are both way old now. |
| 01:19.39 | SimonRaven | 169.254.0.0/16 is zeroconf stuff |
| 01:19.53 | SimonRaven | [TechGuy]: that is old |
| 01:19.58 | beardy | [TechGuy]: Ok, get a good balanced coin. ;) |
| 01:19.59 | stew | kjdis: discover / hotplug / udev could be loading them |
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| 01:20.06 | [TechGuy] | heh. :P |
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| 01:20.18 | SimonRaven | not a .ca quarter ;) |
| 01:20.26 | kjdis | stew: would /etc/modules be the ideal way on Debian? |
| 01:20.37 | magyar | SimonRaven, is it qemu that sets this up automatically? |
| 01:20.45 | _jonathan | excuse me, I've asked everywhere. Does anyone know of a good videocast client for linux? |
| 01:21.00 | magyar | SimonRaven, i got a zeroconf file |
| 01:21.07 | stew | Mardus: you need "deb http://ftp.ee.debian.org/debian stable main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main" and that's it, get rid of everything else, run apt-get upgrade ; aptitude update ; aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 01:21.08 | EightiesK | !man fstab |
| 01:21.11 | stew | kjdis: yes |
| 01:21.12 | EightiesK | !fstab |
| 01:21.12 | dpkg | from memory, fstab is a file that lets the `mount' command know what mountable things (partitions, drives, etc) are in your system. Try `man 5 fstab` for more information on it. |
| 01:21.24 | [TechGuy] | SimonRaven / beardy: And my best friend is no help. He's a *massive* Solaris junkie. :) |
| 01:21.24 | beardy | !botmsg |
| 01:21.24 | dpkg | talk to me in /msg unless there is a reason to do it in the channel |
| 01:21.27 | JasonX | but -a is same as same as -dpR and -d = no deref ao that wont follow links |
| 01:21.42 | beardy | [TechGuy]: heh |
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| 01:21.54 | SimonRaven | [TechGuy]: yeh, that's not going to help |
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| 01:22.22 | asg | JasonX: then read the manpage and coble together the options for what you want. You could also tar it up and untar it in the new directory. |
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| 01:22.35 | EightiesK | how does man 5 fstab work? |
| 01:22.35 | JasonX | believe mw i can recite the man page backwards |
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| 01:22.40 | SimonRaven | magyar: wouldn't know, but it doesn't come from qemu per se. it's separate |
| 01:22.45 | nkuttler | EightiesK: you type "man fstab" in a shell |
| 01:22.53 | asg | EightiesK: type 'man 5 fstab' and you get the fstab manpage from section 5 |
| 01:22.54 | beardy | EightiesK: work? You just type 'man 5 fstab' |
| 01:23.02 | [TechGuy] | I'm just interested in a benchmark of "standard" network work load, since the box I'm running this on is a server that runs everything under the sun (Postgres, LDAP, Postfix, Apache, JBoss, Cyrus, etc etc etc) |
| 01:23.06 | JasonX | i have copied using -L but then the file ownershoips are ruined |
| 01:23.15 | SimonRaven | section is config files |
| 01:23.16 | JasonX | i have tried to tar using -h but that fails with errors |
| 01:23.18 | beardy | EightiesK: and read, and scroll up and down, q to quit. |
| 01:23.22 | SimonRaven | section 5* |
| 01:23.28 | dvs_ | -h? |
| 01:23.33 | JasonX | tar -h |
| 01:23.35 | [TechGuy] | Guess it'll still be a crapshoot in the end, though. ;) |
| 01:23.42 | JasonX | to follow symlinks |
| 01:23.45 | EightiesK | another question is there a slingshot type program for debian? |
| 01:23.54 | Mardus | stew: I got rid of Estonian sources, so there was a change in behaviour - now saying "some packages have been kept back; 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 14 not upgraded. It's asking me "Y/n/e/d/v/action/?". |
| 01:24.01 | asg | EightiesK: depends on what slingshot does? what does it do? |
| 01:24.23 | SimonRaven | [TechGuy]: well, linux tcp stack is bsd one, but the 2.6 has improved since, and so has iptables. though ipt is still a PITA to work with |
| 01:24.25 | EightiesK | its for kubuntu it is a fast program launcher |
| 01:24.34 | EightiesK | Alt+space |
| 01:24.36 | Ethiainen | could please someone point some documentation for building a custom kernel for netinst (i think it is possible) |
| 01:24.43 | EightiesK | and the first 3 letter of the program |
| 01:24.43 | JasonX | i have a folder that contains symlinks to the important files i usually edit, i wanna back up the original files so i can unarhive them over the originals if i wish |
| 01:24.47 | beardy | JasonX: Put the f option as the last option, not that that should matter though.. |
| 01:24.51 | SimonRaven | dunno about netbsd |
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| 01:24.58 | JasonX | ill try that |
| 01:25.10 | stew | Mardus: then you are already running sarge. run apt-get install pkg1 pkg2 pkg3... for the packages which are kept back |
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| 01:25.33 | deeee | stew: founf the problem. usb mouse was plugged into a usb 1.1 port (oihdc??). when plugged into usb 2.0 works fine. Can I eneble mouse on oihdc? |
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| 01:25.53 | [TechGuy] | SimonRaven: Indeed. I know the whole thing about FreeBSD being better in network concurrency used to be better. But I didn't know if that was still true after the Linux stack rewrite |
| 01:26.14 | JasonX | tar -chf seems to be working but tar -cfh failed thx beardy u=* |
| 01:26.21 | stew | deeee: try modprobe ohci-hcd |
| 01:26.25 | Mardus | stew: Of course, because the sources lists were set to stable anyway and they were never set to woody. |
| 01:26.34 | beardy | EightiesK: Just have a terminal up, type a few letters and hit Tab. BUt I'm sure such things exist. Have you tried searching for it? |
| 01:27.01 | stew | Mardus: the sources.list were originally set to woody |
| 01:27.15 | stew | Mardus: "#deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 r2 _Woody_ - Official i386 Binary-1 " |
| 01:27.20 | SimonRaven | [TechGuy]: yeh, i haven't looked at anything comparing the recent linux stuff and bsd stuff. |
| 01:27.24 | mrios | I have an interesting config problem. I don't know what to do with it: screensavers, emacs, and quite a few other things complain that "color black is not defined." How do I get black to be defined? |
| 01:27.28 | SimonRaven | recently |
| 01:27.37 | beardy | JasonX: That's good. Always have the f as last option from now on. |
| 01:27.43 | SimonRaven | the one i read/saw compared 2.4 and some other OSes |
| 01:27.46 | Loof | mm |
| 01:27.56 | Mardus | stew: I had that commented out. Anyway, I edited the file as per your recommendations, did aptitude update and then stumbled over the same problem again... |
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| 01:28.05 | Maquiavelo | Hi |
| 01:28.11 | Loof | So.. anyone know of a hylafax irc channel...or is rather familiar with hylafax modem issues? |
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| 01:28.30 | beardy | Loof: What kind of modem is that? |
| 01:28.38 | [TechGuy] | Guess the deciding factor is the APT structure (where modules are broken out as separate packages from the main program), and debinstaller supporting LVM during install |
| 01:28.47 | dv_ | ah btw |
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| 01:28.52 | [TechGuy] | beardy: It's a fax reception program, IIRC |
| 01:28.53 | stew | Mardus: exactly what problem? |
| 01:28.56 | dv_ | what does apt use for deb compression? |
| 01:28.58 | tyugu | test |
| 01:29.01 | beardy | Loof: And, just ask your question. |
| 01:29.09 | beardy | [TechGuy]: Ah. |
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| 01:29.16 | Mardus | stew: That's when I removed non-free and contrib from the line of the Estonian source. |
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| 01:29.26 | dv_ | is it like jar (just a renamed zip) or something entirely custom-made? |
| 01:29.28 | stew | < stew> Mardus: exactly what problem? |
| 01:29.29 | nvz | dv_: do you mean what compression format is used to make a deb? |
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| 01:29.42 | maq0r | Hi guys, anyone knows any public dns server I can use? |
| 01:29.43 | beardy | dv_: tar.gz |
| 01:29.44 | EightiesK | i don't get it... |
| 01:29.45 | maq0r | my ISP is having dns issues |
| 01:29.48 | dv_ | ah ok |
| 01:29.50 | nvz | dv_: apt has nothing to do with any of that |
| 01:29.51 | gravity | dv_: ar |
| 01:30.01 | gravity | It's not a tar.gz |
| 01:30.03 | beardy | but I may be wrong |
| 01:30.05 | mrios | are there any channels for newbies? |
| 01:30.05 | beardy | ok |
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| 01:30.06 | Loof | beardy: It's an LT software modem, latest Linux drivers (8.31) and it keeps giving me t.30 t1 timeout errors |
| 01:30.09 | stew | dv_: its an ar archive that contains to .tar.gzs the the gzs are compressed with gzip -9 |
| 01:30.14 | endeavormac | if i'm supposed to change something in my kernel configuration, where is the kernel configuration file? |
| 01:30.17 | stew | ^to^two |
| 01:30.17 | Loof | beardy: I've looked through the forums several times and nothing seems to help |
| 01:30.25 | gravity | stew wins |
| 01:30.26 | dv_ | two? why two? |
| 01:30.35 | maq0r | Anyone please? |
| 01:30.41 | Mardus | stew: Oh, that there were packages that were predependen on in apt-get dist-upgrade, after apt-get upate, when I removed non-free and contrib from the line of Estonian sources. |
| 01:30.42 | maq0r | I'm looking like crazy, but I can't find any |
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| 01:30.46 | beardy | Yes, he does. |
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| 01:31.07 | A_man | hello.... |
| 01:31.08 | stew | Mardus: show me your sources.list |
| 01:31.10 | Mardus | stew: I still have the same thing, even if non-free and contrib were there. |
| 01:31.19 | Fluten | i get the error "alsa-init: no soundcards found: Success" when playing a video with mplayer. could it be because of an old kernel? |
| 01:31.41 | stew | Mardus: show me |
| 01:31.44 | freeone3000 | no soundcards found: Success? |
| 01:32.05 | [TechGuy] | classic irony |
| 01:32.33 | [TechGuy] | Completely random, but does anyone happen to use Unixshell.com's Xen VPS service? |
| 01:32.34 | nvz | dv_: one is the control file and the other is the data |
| 01:32.38 | deeee | stew: command not found |
| 01:32.40 | Fluten | it says "Could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound." after that |
| 01:32.45 | jetscreamer | !xen |
| 01:32.45 | dpkg | hmm... xen is an open source virtual machine monitor, developed by the University of Cambridge. It is intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. Operating systems must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen (although compatibility is maintained for user applications). This enables Xen to achieve high performance virtualization without special hardware support. |
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| 01:32.51 | Mardus | stew: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2198 |
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| 01:32.58 | edoardo | hi gals, hi dudes : ) |
| 01:33.00 | asg | [TechGuy]: I considered it but apparently they don't allow irc from their hosted systems. |
| 01:33.17 | edoardo | can anyone help me out with arp sniffin'? don't worry, i want to do it on my gateway, on a home lan. i've tried ettercap but am unsure on how to use it... maybe ethereal is better? any clues? thankyou! : ) |
| 01:33.29 | [TechGuy] | asg: Not many do. I only know of <5 providers (VPS, colo, dedicated, whatever) that allow it |
| 01:33.44 | FliesLikeALap | anyone know whats going on with #linux? |
| 01:33.47 | DeCaoS | How i can reinstall apache, i firt remove the directory /etc/apache , and now i can reinstall o install but i have error :( |
| 01:33.55 | asg | [TechGuy]: Dreamhost does and they are pretty reasonable. |
| 01:33.57 | freeone3000 | FliesLikeALap: Ehm, it's ##linux |
| 01:34.00 | Fluten | edoardo, i can help you |
| 01:34.06 | [TechGuy] | asg: Ya, they're one that I know of |
| 01:34.13 | stew | Mardus: and run apt-get update ; then show me apt-cache policy e2fslibs |
| 01:34.15 | freeone3000 | DeCaoS: apt-get remove apache; apt-get install apache |
| 01:34.18 | beardy | DeCaoS: Don't do that.. |
| 01:34.21 | FliesLikeALap | freeone3000 odd, usually #linux forwards to ##linux but now it just forward to ##unavailable |
| 01:34.30 | freeone3000 | FliesLikeALap: Hmm. New feature. |
| 01:34.42 | beardy | DeCaoS: Why did you remove that by hand? |
| 01:34.45 | edoardo | Fluten, thankyou dude : ) |
| 01:34.56 | Fluten | edoaro, arp poisoning will slow down your network a lot though |
| 01:34.59 | DeCaoS | beardy i was probe :$ |
| 01:35.01 | EightiesK | are there any other debain repositories than the deafult? |
| 01:35.13 | freeone3000 | EightiesK: Yes... |
| 01:35.21 | dvs_ | EightiesK: lots |
| 01:35.24 | jmp_me | i messed up my router with it |
| 01:35.29 | EightiesK | can u give them to me |
| 01:35.34 | jmp_me | it still have'nt recovered |
| 01:35.35 | EightiesK | or a link to a list? |
| 01:35.37 | edoardo | Fluten, well you see i'm unsure on how to do. i didn't even know sniffin' implied poisonin', which an ettercap option which i didn't choose by default |
| 01:35.40 | dvs_ | !mirrors |
| 01:35.41 | dpkg | well, debian mirrors is use apt-setup, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror |
| 01:35.46 | Fluten | i used it at a lan party to sniff everyone at once (around 18 people), and the network was completely down within 20 minutes |
| 01:35.47 | Mardus | stew: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2199 |
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| 01:36.06 | jmp_me | Fluten: you turned the sweitch into a hub ? |
| 01:36.06 | freeone3000 | Anyone know how to get apxs? it's supposed to come with apache2, or at least it does when you do a source install... is debian that diffrent? |
| 01:36.16 | Alam_Debian | ! |
| 01:36.20 | FliesLikeALap | freeone3000 locate apxs | grep apache ? |
| 01:36.23 | Fluten | it was a cisco switch too |
| 01:36.24 | asg | freeone3000: it's called apxs2 in the apache2 packages |
| 01:36.27 | edoardo | Fluten, first of all, which is better? ettercap or ethereal? for this purpose : ) |
| 01:36.29 | Alam_Debian | !GPG |
| 01:36.29 | dpkg | methinks gpg is the GNU Privacy Guard, a free public-key encryption program available , now in main . or http://www.gnupg.org, but apt-get install gnupg |
| 01:36.31 | jmp_me | did you use flood then? |
| 01:36.31 | FliesLikeALap | i was helping someone with apache the other day and i believe it does exist as apxs2 |
| 01:36.32 | asg | Fluten: and old one? |
| 01:36.41 | stew | Mardus: and what happens when you run apt-get install e2fslibs? |
| 01:36.42 | asg | *an |
| 01:36.44 | jmp_me | all ciscos get reverse-engineered anyway heh |
| 01:36.49 | Alam_Debian | !key |
| 01:36.55 | Fluten | i think it was an old one, im not sure |
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| 01:37.01 | Fluten | just i know power outages brought it down more than i did |
| 01:37.12 | freeone3000 | asg, FliesLikeALap: I'm not finding either... |
| 01:37.13 | Fluten | we were pulling 40 amps off of an outlet rated for 15 |
| 01:37.15 | Mardus | stew: It wants to install. |
| 01:37.28 | beardy | Alam_Debian: /topic and /msg dpkg 2006 key |
| 01:37.31 | asg | freeone3000: apt-get install apt-file ; apt-file update ; apt-file search apxs2 |
| 01:37.58 | stew | Mardus: then this error you said you were getting: "e2fsprogs: PreDepends: e2fslibs (= 1.37-2sarge1) but it is not installable." seem to not really exist |
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| 01:38.07 | FliesLikeALap | freeone3000 /usr/local/apache2/bin/apxs ? |
| 01:38.23 | Alam_Debian | ...... |
| 01:38.24 | dvs_ | !2006 key |
| 01:38.24 | dpkg | it has been said that 2006 key is apt 0.6.43.1 ( now in unstable and testing) includes the 2006 package key. You can also install the key as follow, explicitly trusting this message with no verification: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
| 01:38.24 | Mardus | stew: So I will install it and then see what happens with dist-upgrade? |
| 01:38.33 | DeCaoS | freeone3000: i can't install APACHE but i have error .. apache doesn't find file setting but i remove file /etc/apache |
| 01:38.35 | freeone3000 | Except without the sudo... |
| 01:38.39 | EightiesK | dvs was that for me? |
| 01:38.47 | dvs_ | EightiesK: Alam_Debian |
| 01:38.47 | freeone3000 | DeCaoS: Don't remove anything by hand. |
| 01:38.49 | asg | FliesLikeALap: it won't be available in /usr/local if he installed from debs |
| 01:39.01 | FliesLikeALap | alright, I must be looking at it on a server which was installed from source |
| 01:39.06 | asg | DeCaoS: /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 01:39.09 | FliesLikeALap | I thought this one was done via deb but I must be wrong |
| 01:39.11 | edoardo | Fluten, this is how it works home. we've got a router which connects to boxes, mine and me brother's, and it acts as a gateway. but it's not the actual gateway, cause it's connected to a thing, which is the actual gateway. i think it's a router/switch of some kind. i can look it up if necessary. anyway that's the little box i'm interested in. the actual gateway. i need to do arp sniffin' on that. how do i start? i've tried stuff but it didn' |
| 01:39.11 | edoardo | t work out : ) |
| 01:39.33 | Loof | Anyone know what happened to google maps? |
| 01:39.37 | EightiesK | does anyone have a list of debain repositories ? |
| 01:39.41 | Mardus | edoardo: Are you sure it's a gateway? |
| 01:39.47 | nvz | Loof: its called google local, fyi |
| 01:39.50 | asg | EightiesK: you were told. |
| 01:39.50 | freeone3000 | EightiesK: apt-config... |
| 01:39.51 | Ronin | EightiesK: try apt-setup |
| 01:39.51 | Loof | (i.e. the sattlite view) |
| 01:39.56 | edoardo | Mardus, well yeah cause that's how we're connected to the internet |
| 01:39.57 | freeone3000 | apt-setup, rather. Yeah. That one. |
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| 01:40.07 | beardy | EightiesK: You were told. See above what dpkg said about mirrors. |
| 01:40.11 | Loof | nvz: Yep, it redirects to google local now... which was a separate service... |
| 01:40.11 | FliesLikeALap | Loof what about it? |
| 01:40.20 | dvs_ | !tell EightiesK about mirrors |
| 01:40.22 | nvz | Loof: local.google.com |
| 01:40.22 | itchi | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:40.23 | Loof | Yet the sattlite feature seems gone |
| 01:40.24 | Mardus | edoardo: I'd look up the model and make on the net and see if the manufactures also says that it's a switch. |
| 01:40.26 | dvs_ | special delivery |
| 01:40.27 | Loof | nvz: Yes, I know |
| 01:40.30 | FliesLikeALap | Loof they combined the services |
| 01:40.36 | nvz | Loof: well they combined them |
| 01:40.40 | Loof | nvz: No sat. view on local |
| 01:40.44 | nvz | Loof: as they are one and the same |
| 01:40.46 | FliesLikeALap | yes there is nvz |
| 01:40.52 | FliesLikeALap | Loof yes there is |
| 01:40.53 | nvz | Loof: and you are fool of shit, there is sat and hybrid |
| 01:40.55 | freeone3000 | So.. hmm. |
| 01:40.56 | FliesLikeALap | Loof i'm looking at it right now |
| 01:40.58 | Loof | Uhm |
| 01:40.58 | Loof | Ok |
| 01:41.03 | Loof | Where |
| 01:41.06 | Loof | 'cause I must have missed it |
| 01:41.11 | freeone3000 | Any other notes on how to install php5 from source to work with the apache2 installed from debs? |
| 01:41.18 | Loof | I looked up 2 different addresses... no sat view |
| 01:41.19 | FliesLikeALap | the button in the upper right htat says "map" "satellite" "hybrid" |
| 01:41.22 | freeone3000 | Or shall I just wipe the debs and work on it myself? |
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| 01:41.32 | edoardo | Mardus, sorry it's a hub |
| 01:41.35 | edoardo | i think |
| 01:41.43 | Loof | Flies: Yes, there's no button. |
| 01:41.51 | Loof | This is on firefox, btw. |
| 01:41.56 | FliesLikeALap | Loof what country are you looking at |
| 01:41.56 | weasel00 | freeone3000 : why not install php5 from debs? |
| 01:42.01 | Loof | USA |
| 01:42.22 | freeone3000 | weasel00: It doesn't have the extension support I need... not including imagejpeg. |
| 01:42.24 | edoardo | hello? |
| 01:42.38 | nvz | Loof: right on the map |
| 01:42.45 | nvz | Loof: top right hand corner |
| 01:43.02 | nvz | Loof: the navigation/zoom is in the top left hand corner |
| 01:43.33 | EightiesK | !katapult |
| 01:43.37 | Loof | Oh, I just figured it out... that's interesting |
| 01:43.41 | freeone3000 | weasel00: ...Meh, solution... But what if I want to install six? |
| 01:43.42 | EightiesK | i guess not |
| 01:43.47 | Loof | I initially had javascript disabled |
| 01:43.59 | Loof | I had it turned on again, but google 'remembered' it |
| 01:44.01 | beardy | EightiesK: What are you looking for, or trying to do? |
| 01:44.02 | edoardo | Fluten, help? : ) |
| 01:44.02 | asg | EightiesK: what debian version are you using? |
| 01:44.05 | Mardus | edoardo: You just reminded me of a Soviet cartoon, called "Hedgehog in a Fog", when you said "hello?" |
| 01:44.10 | asg | !info katapult etch |
| 01:44.14 | dpkg | katapult: (item launcher for KDE), section kde, is optional. Version: 0.3.1-1 (etch), Packaged size: 277 kB, Installed size: 1872 kB |
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| 01:44.33 | edoardo | Mardus, well you guys stopped helpin' me all of a sudden |
| 01:44.36 | edoardo | : ( |
| 01:44.36 | edoardo | : ) |
| 01:44.51 | asg | EightiesK: it's in etch. /msg dpkg simple sid backport (s/sid/etch/ in the instructions) |
| 01:44.55 | asg | EightiesK: or check backports.org |
| 01:45.06 | Mardus | edoardo: I don't know how to help you. I don't even remember your problem. |
| 01:45.26 | asg | Mardus: he wanted to do arp smashing on what turned out to be a hub so there's no need to help |
| 01:45.31 | Alam_Debian | W: GPG error: http://debian.lcs.mit.edu etch Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 010908312D230C5F Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2006) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 01:45.36 | edoardo | Mardus, arp sniffin' on my home gateway? : ) |
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| 01:45.39 | asg | Alam_Debian: /topic |
| 01:45.50 | Mardus | asg: arp smashing -- ? |
| 01:45.50 | Alam_Debian | i did have the key |
| 01:45.50 | curt | edoardo, does your "hub" have a port for your gateway? maybe if you want to configure it you need to get the gateway out of the way first? |
| 01:45.54 | Alam_Debian | *do |
| 01:45.57 | beardy | He has been told, multiple times. |
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| 01:46.12 | beardy | !tell Alam_Debian -about 2006 key |
| 01:46.14 | asg | Mardus: on some crappy switches, you can flood the arp tables with bogus requests and they turn into hubs allowing you to sniff all traffic. |
| 01:46.19 | beardy | Alam_Debian: _read_ it |
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| 01:46.38 | Mardus | asg: Ahh. |
| 01:46.41 | Alam_Debian | like "gpg: key 2D230C5F: "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2006) <ftpmaster@debian.org>" not changed" |
| 01:46.53 | asg | edoardo: try #efnet or #dalnet |
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| 01:47.05 | asg | edoardo: or efnet and dalnet (the networks) rather |
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| 01:47.31 | grigora | does anyone know what's up with http://www.gnucleus.net/gcache/gcache.php? I get a connection refused every time I try connecting. Worked fine 1-2 days ago. Any ideas? |
| 01:47.47 | sonyman | I need help compiling gtk2. It says "Xft Pango backend is required for x11 target." Is there a way to build it w/o xft? |
| 01:47.47 | Fluten | edoardo, how do we know that you wont use it on other networks? |
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| 01:47.56 | beardy | grigora: What has that have to do with Debian? |
| 01:48.06 | edoardo | awright, this is what i want to do. the thing, the gateway, is also a voip thing. i know, it incorporates various functions, but it does. so since my home phones go through that too, all i want to do is find out, when i make a phone call, what gatekeeper, it's an h232 protocol, it connects to. then i'll be happy with it : ) |
| 01:48.11 | asg | grigora: someone broke their site. It happens all the time |
| 01:48.27 | [TechGuy] | argghhh... I'm having fun reacquainting myself to iptables |
| 01:48.37 | curt | grigora, wow that's wierd |
| 01:48.38 | edoardo | i mean h323 : ) |
| 01:48.41 | grigora | beardy: not very much, I am just not sure where to ask and was hoping someone in Debian has an idea |
| 01:48.53 | curt | grigora, it looks like the domain is propagated to localhost |
| 01:48.59 | asg | edoardo: here's what you do. You buy a cheap hub and inline it between your mystery switch and another switch on your network. Plug into the hub, use ethereal to analyze traffic. |
| 01:49.23 | asg | [TechGuy]: once you pf, you find it hard to go back |
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| 01:49.30 | SimonRaven | deadcat: nice bag. looks like a courier bag |
| 01:49.36 | [TechGuy] | asg: Oh I'm very much used to pf. |
| 01:49.37 | azeem | !prize me |
| 01:49.40 | azeem | hrm |
| 01:49.43 | asg | !win azeem |
| 01:49.43 | dpkg | Congratulations, azeem! You have won the US presidency! |
| 01:49.44 | beardy | grigora: Ok, well, it seems very dead to me to. |
| 01:49.51 | edoardo | asg, suppose i can't spend any money cause i'm flyin' to london in two weeks? : ) |
| 01:49.51 | beardy | +o |
| 01:49.52 | deadcat | SimonRaven: ya. messenger bag. (= |
| 01:49.53 | azeem | blah |
| 01:49.57 | infowolfe | anybody familiar with /etc/network/if-up.d/ ? |
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| 01:50.10 | m1ke_l | do i have to "install" Xinemera or just add it to my xorg.conf? |
| 01:50.17 | asg | edoardo: dude, a 4 10baseT hub these days comes free with a pack of condoms. They aren't expensive. |
| 01:50.19 | beardy | !tell infowolfe -about interfaces |
| 01:50.43 | grigora | asg: it's weird, because all the 3 GWebCache hosts configured in my mutella are broken |
| 01:51.23 | grigora | curt: are there any other GWebCache hosts that you know of to use instead of gnucleus? |
| 01:51.52 | infowolfe | beardy, doesn't explain the behavior i'm experiencing |
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| 01:52.27 | beardy | infowolfe: of which you haven't said a word |
| 01:52.30 | curt | grigora, this is the auth seciotn from dig > IN SOA A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. NSTLD.VERISIGN-GRS.COM. |
| 01:52.37 | beardy | infowolfe: /msg dpkg smart questions |
| 01:52.44 | beardy | !tell infowolfe -about ask |
| 01:53.03 | infowolfe | beardy, could you possibly give me a chance to explain the issue before spamming me anymore via that bot? |
| 01:53.34 | beardy | I'm done, if you read it and learn, so someone doesn't have to tell you next time again. |
| 01:53.37 | curt | infowolfe, or just ask your question proper the first time... |
| 01:54.03 | infowolfe | point taken ;-) |
| 01:54.05 | beardy | infowolfe: I didn't spam you though. |
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| 01:54.26 | dpkg | 'dv______' is 99.9549% lame, dvs_ |
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| 01:54.42 | grigora | curt: thanks, but how is that useful? |
| 01:54.48 | dv______ | ? |
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| 01:54.51 | infowolfe | meanwhile, i've got a script in /etc/network/if-up.d/ which as i've come to understand is supposed to be executed after the interfaces come up on boot |
| 01:54.52 | dv______ | ah crap. |
| 01:55.29 | infowolfe | it doesn't, as verified by dumping date into a logfile on each execution. |
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| 01:55.50 | curt | grigora, basically that auth resolves to nothing, so until the dns is setup properly for gnucleus.net it will be down. |
| 01:56.27 | grigora | curt: ok, are you aware of other sites that have GWebCache? |
| 01:56.40 | stew | infowolfe: what's the name of the script? |
| 01:56.43 | infowolfe | from man 5 interfaces There exists for each of the above mentioned options a directory /etc/network/if-<option>.d/ the scripts in which are run (with no arguments) using run-parts(8) after the option itself has been processed. |
| 01:57.12 | infowolfe | stew, appropriately routes.sh as the script sets up the box for multi-homing ;-) |
| 01:57.24 | asg | infowolfe: did you verify the name of the file with the approved names required in run-parts(8)? |
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| 01:57.28 | stew | infowolfe: "man 8 run-parts" you can't have a . in the name |
| 01:57.29 | curt | grigora, not other than .gnucleus.net, sorry. |
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| 01:57.50 | grigora | curt: no problem, thanks for your help |
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| 01:58.51 | infowolfe | alright, can anybody tell me if if-up.d/ us run via run-parts with the --lsbsysinit option? |
| 01:59.50 | SimonRaven | *ping* |
| 01:59.54 | asg | *pong* |
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| 02:00.12 | nvz | *poing* |
| 02:00.16 | curt | grigora, just a quick search turns up gnucleus.com, might try that... |
| 02:00.20 | SimonRaven | hehe |
| 02:00.28 | asg | nvz: *pwned* |
| 02:00.31 | infowolfe | thanks for the help guys |
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| 02:00.38 | nvz | *pfft* |
| 02:01.04 | curt | !moo |
| 02:01.04 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 02:01.25 | grigora | curt: that site is for the software, not the actual service, but thanks |
| 02:02.05 | asg | nvz: you need some purple sneakers first |
| 02:02.21 | nvz | my luck it will probably be 3 mexicans in an el camino and not extra terrestials in a fancy space ship |
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| 02:02.31 | curt | grigora, from the site: Also, the official GWebCache site is now located here on gnucleus.com (http://www.gnucleus.com/gwebcache/) - update your links! (gnucleus.net seems to be down) |
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| 02:02.39 | asg | nvz: at least you'll get some better recipies |
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| 02:04.39 | nvz | there is a mexican joint opening up right behind my house.. a bar/grill thing |
| 02:04.46 | [TechGuy] | Hrm. Possible error with the apache2 package? It defaults to /var/www instead of /var/www/apache2-default |
| 02:04.58 | asg | nvz: you'll be set if the salsa and chips are free |
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| 02:05.13 | SimonRaven | "Thanks for the ping." |
| 02:05.14 | nvz | they've spent the last 8 months remodelling that place, its sad its not going to last.. |
| 02:05.22 | chops | So I'm getting an error trying to mount a USB flash memory stick: |
| 02:05.34 | chops | "FAT: invalid media value (0xb9)" |
| 02:05.49 | Mardus | nvz: 3 mexicans may be equal to that blue multilimbed and multieyed alien, who used a mexican's disguise (that would make it three such aliens) and Kamino is that planet from Star Wars where clones are/were made. |
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| 02:06.06 | chops | I'm planning on filing a bug against linux-2.6. Does anyone know a reason this is a bad idea (e.g. I'm doing something wrong)? |
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| 02:06.16 | nvz | this is _not_ the spot for such a joint.. the parking lot only holds like 4-6 cars at best and its not anywhere most travellers would ever see it. unless you live on the street its on you would never know its there. |
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| 02:06.26 | asg | chops: have you verified that it hasn't already been reported in the bts? |
| 02:06.40 | chops | When I first try to mount it, it says "mount: you must specify the filesystem type"... but I can't imagine it being anything other than vfat. |
| 02:06.43 | Mardus | nvz: I mean that that blue alien from "Men In Black" |
| 02:06.46 | Mardus | * meant |
| 02:06.52 | chops | asg: Yah, I'll check before filing. Thanks. |
| 02:06.57 | grigora | curt: thanks, but it doesn't seem to work, I tried setting the config variable in mutella to http://www.gnucleus.com/gwebcache/ AND http://www.gnucleus.com/gwebcache/gcache.php AND http://www.gnucleus.com/gwebcache/gwebcache.php. Still no go |
| 02:07.07 | zrin | i have a java application server, i set up the listening ports (>1024), but it is only listening on ipv6 ... shall I (how?) turn off ipv6? |
| 02:07.09 | chops | it was created by a Mac, but Mac and Windows both read it correctly. |
| 02:07.44 | curt | !fat32 |
| 02:07.44 | dpkg | modprobe vfat ; mount -t vfat /dev/whatever /wherever |
| 02:08.10 | Mardus | nvz: If people bought subcompact cars, then probably more vehicles would fit into that car park. |
| 02:08.25 | SimonRaven | fucking gaim took down my x |
| 02:08.40 | chops | curt: If I didn't have the vfat module loaded, I wouldn't have gotten a vfat-specific error message. No? |
| 02:08.51 | deadcat | SimonRaven: use centericq. (= |
| 02:08.56 | asg | SimonRaven: that's why I use bitlbee ;) |
| 02:09.16 | jmp_me | SimonRaven: haha! what does the X log say |
| 02:09.17 | Mardus | SimonRaven: And there are IM plugins for Emacs, too. |
| 02:09.19 | nvz | Mardus: I doubt it. you really cant fit any more cars in there no matter how you look at it.. at least not for a bar/resturant.. cause you cant have a FILO parking lot where the first car in is the last car out.. they all have to be able to come and go without waiting on someone else to move their car |
| 02:09.24 | SimonRaven | yeh but centericq doesn't grok start_tls |
| 02:09.28 | deadcat | i switched to all ncurses except the browser because my X hang so much before. (= |
| 02:09.39 | SimonRaven | it's a gaim bug |
| 02:09.52 | jmp_me | amsn |
| 02:09.54 | asg | nvz: since it's behind your house though, what do you care about parking |
| 02:09.58 | SimonRaven | (using jabber2) |
| 02:10.05 | deadcat | ah |
| 02:10.18 | SimonRaven | afk |
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| 02:10.39 | Mardus | nvz: If I only had a picture of that car park... What's FILO? |
| 02:10.42 | weasel00 | nvz : isnt that what parking attendants are for? |
| 02:10.50 | asg | Mardus: first in, last out |
| 02:11.07 | nvz | asg: I dont, and I dont plan on going there either. I already dont like the people. |
| 02:11.19 | asg | nvz: fair enough |
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| 02:12.20 | Mardus | nvz, asg: So, FILO means that the first car to file in theoretically gets a car behind it, which is why it would have to wait for a car behind it, before getting out? |
| 02:12.57 | asg | Mardus: that or the drinkers get there early and leave late. |
| 02:12.59 | abrotman | [TechGuy]: ask #mutt ? |
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| 02:13.26 | Mardus | asg: I don't quite get that drinkers thing. |
| 02:13.39 | Mardus | asg: Oh, I see. |
| 02:13.45 | [TechGuy] | abrotman: Probably. On my way. ;P |
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| 02:14.18 | nvz | Mardus: yes the cars part at an angle like in most commercial parking lots, head in.. you enter the lot from the street and park basically the same direction as the road, but rear of car at a slight angle toward the road you can fit 3 other cars in behind them, but then the rest cant get out.. and there is a building with 3 aptartments next door so you cant make any more room. |
| 02:14.55 | abrotman | nvz: how big is your aptartment? |
| 02:15.45 | asg | abrotman: about the size of damog's Super Milker box |
| 02:16.00 | nvz | abrotman: I dont have an apartment. My family owns the two full-sized properties behind the bar and the apartments.. one has our house on it, and the other we tore the house down and made it a parking lot and a bigger yard |
| 02:16.34 | Ethiainen | later all |
| 02:16.44 | nvz | abrotman: our two lots are as wide as their two lots, but they are almost double the size going the other way. |
| 02:16.46 | Ethiainen | and thanks for the help! |
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| 02:18.22 | Mardus | nvz: I think I am so tired, that I can't imagine this visually. Most car parks that I know of, are such that it's usually easy for any car to get out easily, without having to wait for anyone else. Most malls here have car park layouts, where cars are parked in the middle, in two rows and the rows are surrounded by the car park roach, which would make it easy to leave at will and not wait for anyone. |
| 02:18.50 | Mardus | nvz: * surrounded by the car park road |
| 02:19.24 | nvz | Mardus: the lot is crammed between two buildings and my property there is only one opening to the street. the cars have to come in and leave that way.. so in order for them to get in and out, they have to drive up one side and park at an angle on the other side. |
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| 02:20.29 | zrin | why would a java app listen only on ipv6? |
| 02:20.35 | DuncanF | hmm, just installed ATI drivers, though they don't seem to be doing anything... no video mode switching, etc |
| 02:20.42 | deadcat | zrin: no clue |
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| 02:21.01 | deadcat | DuncanF: you sure you using the driver? |
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| 02:21.13 | DuncanF | deadcat, how can I check? |
| 02:21.36 | deadcat | DuncanF: did you reconfigure your X to use the new driver? |
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| 02:21.48 | wonwon | Did anybody get a error message "R200Setup Xversion mismatch - detected X.org 7.0.0.0 required XFree86 4.3.0.1" while installing ATI drive on debian? |
| 02:22.02 | deadcat | wonwon: no |
| 02:22.12 | abrotman | asg: hehe |
| 02:22.28 | abrotman | nvz: you're the town rich family eh? |
| 02:22.34 | asg | abrotman: EWRONGCHAN? |
| 02:22.46 | DuncanF | deadcat, ah, how do I do that, just finished installing the driver package |
| 02:22.48 | edoardo | asg, i made it! i connected directly to the actual gateway, through another eth interface : ) |
| 02:22.52 | edoardo | asg, so how do i arp sniff it now? i've tried ettercap -T -i eth1, but no results... : ( |
| 02:22.54 | edoardo | : ) |
| 02:23.00 | deadcat | !drxx DuncanF |
| 02:23.00 | dpkg | DuncanF: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 02:23.15 | deadcat | DuncanF: ^^ select the driver from the list. it SHOULD be there. |
| 02:23.16 | wonwon | I have install the driver,but cann't start X. |
| 02:23.16 | abrotman | asg: no? |
| 02:23.20 | asg | edoardo: use ethereal presuming it's mirroring the ports. |
| 02:23.23 | DuncanF | deadcat thanks :) |
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| 02:23.38 | asg | abrotman: ah, thought you were commenting on ':Dave2' in -ot |
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| 02:23.47 | abrotman | no |
| 02:23.59 | abrotman | !dave2 |
| 02:24.07 | wonwon | deadcat can you help me? |
| 02:24.17 | asg | abrotman: ah |
| 02:24.23 | deadcat | wonwon: i am not using 7.0 and i only use the radeon driver from the kernel. |
| 02:24.23 | edoardo | asg, clues with ettercap? i'd have to install ethereal... i can do it, but i would rather use ettercap, if i can |
| 02:24.43 | zrin | how can i turn off ipv6? |
| 02:24.50 | chealer | are there sh scripts debuggers? something that would allow among other thing to run the script line by line. |
| 02:24.58 | nvz | abrotman: well the property the house sits on used to be a storefront/bar like the one behind us.. my grandparents ran this business, and it eventually became a home, then they bough the other property on the corner and tore down the house, making a parking lot, and fencing the rest in as a yard. now my 2nd grandfather that worked for the railroad sectioned the hillside off into decks with rail road ties, and put a pool in the bottom yard in th |
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| 02:25.25 | wonwon | deadcat:Thank you the same. |
| 02:25.48 | terr_ | I have a libgtk glitch I think. apt-get install says libgtk2.0-0 is already at the newest version - I can see libgtk2...blah in /usr/share/doc but I cannot see any gtk2 in /usr/lib What should I see? |
| 02:26.15 | asg | chealer: #bash would know |
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| 02:26.32 | chealer | asg: probably...I'll try there too |
| 02:26.39 | asg | edoardo: I'm about to leave. Check the manpage or ask others. |
| 02:26.44 | deadcat | wonwon: why do you need to compile anything then? i just apt-get the xorg and load the radeon module. and select radeon in the xorg.conf file. |
| 02:27.05 | asg | chealer: I know 'set -x' in the script will show you every executed line but for something interactive, I don't know offhand. |
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| 02:27.14 | curt | terr_, dpkg -L libgtk2.0-0 |
| 02:27.15 | edoardo | asg, awright, thankyou dude : ) byebye! : ) |
| 02:27.17 | DuncanF | deadcat, should it have just been called ATI? |
| 02:27.25 | asg | edoardo: you're welcome |
| 02:27.37 | chealer | asg: oh, well that's already something interesting :) |
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| 02:28.27 | abrotman | asg: are you trying to catch me in debstats? |
| 02:28.46 | jetscreamer | statwhore! |
| 02:28.52 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 02:29.44 | beardy | abrotman: I think he bed:ed. |
| 02:29.44 | caffei | what (if any) file system would be ideal for a partition ~50G in size intended for a few files ~10G each? Can any file system handle files that size on a 32-bit system? |
| 02:29.53 | jetscreamer | !which fs |
| 02:30.30 | abrotman | jetscreamer: hi |
| 02:30.31 | sonyman | caffei: fat12 of course! |
| 02:30.33 | abrotman | !fs comparison |
| 02:30.34 | dpkg | methinks filesystem comparison is http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ or http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html |
| 02:30.37 | abrotman | jetscreamer: that? |
| 02:30.42 | caffei | sonyman, heh |
| 02:30.46 | jetscreamer | guess so |
| 02:30.51 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 02:30.53 | caffei | abrotman, ty |
| 02:31.02 | sonyman | caffei: xfs is supposedly very quick with large files |
| 02:31.11 | [TechGuy] | Without RTFA, I think JFS |
| 02:31.12 | terr_ | curt let me pop this into #pastebin for you |
| 02:31.18 | curt | I am actually on sussudio's page #50 !! |
| 02:31.32 | curt | terr_, sure |
| 02:31.34 | Mardus | nvz: Sorry, am too tired. I am trying to see this in my mind's eye, but I can't quite grok it, unless you send photos and diagrams a la "for very tired ppl" |
| 02:31.41 | [TechGuy] | sonyman: It is. But I seem to remember that JFS beat it on really large multigig crap |
| 02:31.51 | abrotman | any FS should be able to do what he's asking .. except fat16 :) |
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| 02:31.55 | [TechGuy] | heh |
| 02:31.58 | Mardus | nvz: I only have a slightest idea on how commercial car parks in the U.S. look like from inside (seen in movies and tv shows, but that's pretty much it). On the other hand, I seem to be more acquainted with open air car parks near convenience stores. |
| 02:32.09 | sonyman | [TechGuy]: Ah. Well, ext2 works fine for me :-) |
| 02:32.17 | [TechGuy] | gah |
| 02:32.39 | sonyman | My kernel doesn't even support ext3 ;-) |
| 02:32.42 | terr_ | curt: I popped it into #pastebin but should have used #flood |
| 02:32.53 | wonwon | deadcat:Does the kernel driver for Radeon is power enough for wine+3D games? |
| 02:33.08 | curt | Mardus, I think it photobucket |
| 02:33.19 | curt | !paste |
| 02:33.20 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 02:33.28 | terr_ | curt - can you have a quick peak - looks like it _might_ be ok |
| 02:33.38 | itchi | Good night everyone it's again 3:34AM here, time to sleep! |
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| 02:33.53 | Mardus | curt: Photobucket? |
| 02:33.57 | curt | terr_, I didn't happen to be in flood |
| 02:34.01 | Mardus | curt: What are you talking about? |
| 02:34.07 | terr_ | curt pop over adn I'll repost it. |
| 02:34.11 | curt | Mardus, pasting images etc etc |
| 02:34.17 | Mardus | curt: Oh, that. |
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| 02:34.44 | wonwon | deadcat:I got a very low fps while using kernel Radeon driver. |
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| 02:35.12 | Mardus | nvz: "... and put a pool in the bathroom yar in th..." |
| 02:35.17 | curt | terr_, that doesn't look right. |
| 02:35.22 | DuncanF | hmm, do I need to restart KDE in order for drivers to take effect? |
| 02:35.47 | chealer | DuncanF: what kind of drivers? |
| 02:35.49 | newbie1canoby | did it take a long time to configure debian |
| 02:36.07 | DuncanF | video drivers, just installed and switched to ATI Proprietary drivers |
| 02:36.19 | Mardus | DuncanF: Generally, you'd have to restart X, because KDE is just a desktop environment with lots of bells and whistles than runs on X. |
| 02:36.21 | sonyman | DuncanF: restart X. Ctrl Alt Bckspc |
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| 02:36.41 | beardy | !restartx |
| 02:36.41 | dpkg | Don't reboot. Just restart X. Ctrl-Alt-Backspace if you are logged in. '/etc/init.d/?dm restart' if not, as root. (where ?dm can be xdm, kdm, gdm, wdm, other display manager) |
| 02:36.47 | curt | terr_, you might try apt-get install --reinstall libgtk2.0-0 or apt-get remove --purge libgtk2.0-0; apt-get install libgtk2.0-0 |
| 02:37.06 | newbie1canoby | did you have problems installing x |
| 02:37.59 | nvz | Mardus: if I could think of a simple way to show a diagram I would have done it by now. but I am tired too and dont feel like hunting around for a place to upload a photo |
| 02:38.21 | jetscreamer | you can just put ? |
| 02:38.21 | freeone3000 | Ah. The wonders of unstable... |
| 02:38.30 | Mardus | nvz: Likewise, if that was me in your place... |
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| 02:39.04 | Mardus | What's does dpkg tell on installing x with apt-get? |
| 02:39.19 | Mardus | * What |
| 02:40.03 | beardy | Mardus: "/msg dpkg install x" ? |
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| 02:41.01 | abrotman | !set up x |
| 02:41.01 | dpkg | set up x is, like, First, make sure you have either x-window-system or x-window-system-core installed. To set up X in woody or sarge, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86". For etch or sid, use xserver-xorg. Sometimes just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 works. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
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| 02:41.21 | deadcat | wonwon: i get like 700fps using the radeon driver. dont know if thats enough for game. i doubt it. but mine is an ibook so aint no game either way. |
| 02:41.49 | YIP | hi... i need a little assistance with installing 3.0 on my beige powermac minitower... |
| 02:42.02 | Mardus | beardy: I come here so rarely, that I usually forget the next day how msg dpkg works |
| 02:42.05 | deadcat | DuncanF: which driver you compiled? the flglx thing? then you SHOULD see that driver on the list. the ati driver is generic. no glx with that driver. |
| 02:42.10 | DuncanF | well I got the drivers working now, but 1280x960 video mode is missing, and everything above 1280x1024 which I can only run in 47hz |
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| 02:42.36 | beardy | Mardus: Well, now you'll now it until tomorrow at least then. :) |
| 02:42.39 | landslide | how do i reconfigure sendmail to point to an internal smtp server on the network? |
| 02:42.45 | gravity | The ati driver pulls in radeon, which does have DRI |
| 02:42.46 | landslide | i've tried dkpg-reconfigure sendmail |
| 02:42.52 | gravity | For some cards at any rate |
| 02:43.02 | shamu | list |
| 02:43.07 | Mardus | beardy: Yea, I'll make notes... |
| 02:43.19 | yetistomps | quick poll: what do u use to play DVD's with menus? |
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| 02:43.26 | deadcat | gravity: i heard taht the /etc/drirc file should improve my fps. but i cant really tell the diff. |
| 02:43.36 | gravity | deadcat: Depends |
| 02:43.39 | beardy | !polls |
| 02:43.39 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 02:43.45 | gravity | deadcat: I haven't messed with it yet. There's a driconf application |
| 02:43.51 | beardy | yetistomps: But, give ogle a try. |
| 02:43.52 | Trent- | whats the command to start debian in GUI? |
| 02:43.54 | yetistomps | great.. |
| 02:43.55 | deadcat | gravity: ya. that thing. |
| 02:43.56 | YIP | anyone got a clue how to get any linux running on my powermac g3? |
| 02:44.10 | gravity | deadcat: It just lets you configure DRI. That may or may not help |
| 02:44.14 | deadcat | Trent-: start debian in GUI? how? |
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| 02:44.17 | YIP | please... urgent! |
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| 02:44.23 | wonwon | deadcat:maybe I did a wrong config of driver or Xorg,I'll try it again. |
| 02:44.23 | gravity | Trent-: startx |
| 02:44.27 | DuncanF | anyone know why those resolutions would be missing? it's not like they arne't supported as I have a radeon 9800 pro |
| 02:44.34 | Trent- | gravity: when i type startx, i get command not found |
| 02:44.36 | beardy | yetistomps: Perhaps xine does menus, mplayer works nicely, but I don't think it does menus, it hasn't before at least. |
| 02:44.55 | yetistomps | beardy, yes. i have mplayer but no menus. |
| 02:44.57 | gravity | Trent-: In irc, /msg dpkg set up x |
| 02:45.00 | deadcat | Trent-: apt-get install x-window-system-core xterm |
| 02:45.01 | azeem | Trent-: try /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 02:45.09 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:45.22 | abrotman | no wait .. `make world` :) |
| 02:45.31 | deadcat | abrotman: wheres taht from? |
| 02:45.36 | azeem | please leave gravity alone |
| 02:45.42 | wonwon | DuncanF:I think you should xorgconfig and enable the resolutions you need |
| 02:45.54 | abrotman | i was harrassing gravity? |
| 02:46.03 | azeem | haunting |
| 02:46.16 | curt | !tell YIP -about debianppc |
| 02:46.17 | gravity | azeem: It's ok azeem. Thanks though :-) |
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| 02:46.29 | gravity | So long as I don't have to field xgl questions for now, I'm happy |
| 02:47.11 | beardy | gravity: when is xgl in unstable ?? LOLZ |
| 02:47.15 | gravity | !xgl |
| 02:47.15 | dpkg | hmm... xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running.check http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease or ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see http://getkororaa.com/ for a live-cd with xgl. It'll be in Debian after xorg 7.0 is in |
| 02:47.27 | abrotman | where's compwizpeestuff? |
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| 02:47.45 | azeem | this should be `or /msg gravity' |
| 02:47.49 | DuncanF | wonwon, what is the command line for that |
| 02:47.50 | gravity | Anyway, today's security fix issued by upstream is kinda more important |
| 02:47.52 | abrotman | azeem: RUN! |
| 02:48.20 | gravity | heh |
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| 02:48.37 | abrotman | xgl =~ s/It'll be in Debian after xorg 7.0 is in/will be in Debian after 7.0 hits sid/ |
| 02:48.44 | abrotman | stupid bot! |
| 02:48.45 | gravity | Not truee |
| 02:48.47 | curt | xorgconfig? /msg dpkg drxx |
| 02:48.48 | abrotman | !xgl =~ s/It'll be in Debian after xorg 7.0 is in/will be in Debian after 7.0 hits sid/ |
| 02:48.48 | dpkg | OK, abrotman |
| 02:48.49 | gravity | Don't put that |
| 02:48.52 | gravity | ugh |
| 02:48.54 | abrotman | dpkg: the other was cut off |
| 02:48.57 | abrotman | when will it be in? |
| 02:49.00 | abrotman | bah |
| 02:49.03 | gravity | No it wasn't cut off |
| 02:49.05 | abrotman | gravity: the other was cut off |
| 02:49.06 | gravity | That was the entirety |
| 02:49.11 | abrotman | oh .. is in? |
| 02:49.14 | abrotman | but no period? |
| 02:49.15 | gravity | ffs |
| 02:49.21 | abrotman | and hides? |
| 02:49.42 | gravity | It won't be in Debian until after 7.0 reaches testing most likely, because I have to spend my time making sure that happens |
| 02:49.43 | abrotman | xgl =~ s/will be in Debian after 7.0 hits sid/It'll be in Debian after xorg 7.0 is in. |
| 02:49.47 | abrotman | !xgl =~ s/will be in Debian after 7.0 hits sid/It'll be in Debian after xorg 7.0 is in. |
| 02:49.47 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, abrotman |
| 02:49.51 | abrotman | oh fucking bot |
| 02:49.53 | omi | Hello all, I've heard that there are lightweight libc out there, is there a debian package of one of them by any chance? |
| 02:50.07 | abrotman | gravity: ok .. so i should make it say that? |
| 02:50.12 | gravity | After that, I haven't decided about unstable |
| 02:50.22 | azeem | omi: dietlibc |
| 02:50.32 | gravity | Upstream is going to release new versions soon, so I'll probably wait for those and polish it up in experimental first |
| 02:50.43 | abrotman | gravity: so make it say "xgl will be in debian after 7 gets to etch" ? |
| 02:50.44 | gravity | Once mesa 6.5 is out I can drop it |
| 02:50.49 | gravity | abrotman: Not exactly |
| 02:50.55 | abrotman | 7.x ? |
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| 02:50.59 | omi | azeem there isn't a debian package of it, so I assume I have to compile it |
| 02:51.01 | gravity | It's too much to really put in to a factoid |
| 02:51.08 | azeem | abrotman: "when it's ready" |
| 02:51.09 | wonwon | DuncanF:command line is xorgconfig |
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| 02:51.23 | abrotman | azeem: you just read my mind .. hopefully you won't be there in the morning |
| 02:51.35 | azeem | Package: dietlibc |
| 02:51.35 | azeem | Binary: dietlibc-dev, dietlibc, dietlibc-doc |
| 02:51.41 | azeem | omi: ^^ |
| 02:51.43 | nvz | is there any other legitimate reason for a girl/woman to have one of those bands around her thigh other than to stick dollar bills in.. heh I keep seeing girls that are way too young to be strippers posing in what looks like stripper attire |
| 02:51.46 | anarcat | hello |
| 02:51.52 | gravity | It depends on getting modular in to testing to provide a base. Then I can put whatever I want in experimental, but going in to unstable (which is what everyone is after) will wait until mesa 6.5 is out, and most likely until xorg-server 1.1 is out |
| 02:51.57 | anarcat | 2.6.15 here, i can't hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc |
| 02:52.00 | azeem | hrm |
| 02:52.08 | azeem | !+info dietlibc sarge |
| 02:52.09 | abrotman | gravity: i just changed it back |
| 02:52.10 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 02:52.12 | dpkg | dietlibc: (diet libc shared libraries - a libc optimized for small size), section libs, is optional. Version: 0.28-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 141 kB, Installed size: 328 kB |
| 02:52.14 | gravity | abrotman: Thanks |
| 02:52.18 | abrotman | !xgl |
| 02:52.18 | dpkg | [xgl] the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running.check http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease or ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see http://getkororaa.com/ for a live-cd with xgl. It'll be in Debian after xorg 7.0 is in. |
| 02:52.19 | anarcat | i get HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted |
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| 02:52.36 | terr_ | what's a good cpu monitor to use? |
| 02:52.46 | abrotman | one that works and doesn't have a high pitched whine |
| 02:52.54 | azeem | gravity: can't xserver-xorg and xserver-xgl coexist in two packages? |
| 02:52.58 | gravity | azeem: Yes |
| 02:53.03 | azeem | ok |
| 02:53.08 | gravity | azeem: But xserver-xgl needs mesa HEAD right now |
| 02:53.10 | anarcat | any idea about that dma problem? |
| 02:53.18 | anarcat | it's getting impossible to burn cds now |
| 02:53.19 | azeem | ah, right |
| 02:53.28 | gravity | azeem: I'm kind of gunshy about putting a cvs snapshot of mesa in unstable |
| 02:53.32 | azeem | gravity: btw, do you know whether one can compile mesa without libdrm? |
| 02:53.40 | azeem | gravity: right |
| 02:53.42 | anarcat | this is unstable, so i guess i get what i deserve |
| 02:53.43 | gravity | azeem: Probably with some configuration options that I don't know about |
| 02:54.02 | gravity | azeem: The mesa build system is a little insane |
| 02:54.08 | nekostar | question: if i compile something like pure-ftpd on my local ubuntu system can i use the same package on my remote debian sarge server ? |
| 02:54.11 | azeem | ugh, you said so, yse |
| 02:54.21 | azeem | I hope I can get Samuel Thibault to fix it :) |
| 02:54.25 | gravity | hehehe |
| 02:54.44 | gravity | Yeah, I'm not planning on adopting mesa unless I have to, so I'm going to defer on such bugs for now :-) |
| 02:54.45 | abrotman | genie? |
| 02:54.53 | gravity | game genie! |
| 02:54.56 | nekostar | + correct sp |
| 02:55.04 | curt | anarcat, enable via support? |
| 02:55.10 | nekostar | o wize 1 |
| 02:55.23 | abrotman | did you just misspell every word in that phrase? |
| 02:55.25 | anarcat | curt, via? |
| 02:55.28 | azeem | nekostar: it might work, but is discouraged |
| 02:55.31 | nekostar | please instruct me in the ways of compiling pure-ftpd !_! |
| 02:55.34 | anarcat | curt, you mean modprobe via something? |
| 02:55.40 | beardy | nekostar: Probably not. If it's possible, perhaps it'll work if you compile it statically. BUt know what you are doing. |
| 02:55.40 | nekostar | azeem, gotcha |
| 02:55.41 | nekostar | and yes abrotman :D |
| 02:55.42 | abrotman | use proftpd or vsftpd ? :) |
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| 02:56.13 | abrotman | nekostar: are you making a package or just a binary? |
| 02:56.18 | nekostar | o no way abrotman i know pure-ftpd itself quite well and its great for what i want.. i just need the large file support which is not in the sarge package sir. |
| 02:56.21 | curt | anarcat, I am not sure because you did really ask a question but, you probably need to enable somethingng |
| 02:56.41 | nekostar | abrotman, im making a package.. i dont mind compiling on the server i suppose... i just fail hard usually :D |
| 02:56.44 | bkudria | checkinstall fails everytime due to a segmentation fault...google shows other people have this issue, but none offer a solution...has anyone here seen this? |
| 02:56.47 | abrotman | !tell nekostar about simple sid backport |
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| 02:57.37 | Jamsi | Check q regarding bind. Bind is running DNS for a windows network. How I can add windows workstation names to bind? So if you ping server01, it pings an ip of 192.xx etc. |
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| 02:58.04 | anarcat | curt, well, i tried to enable it using hdparm, and it's not working |
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| 02:58.17 | terr_ | curt - seems I need the gtk-dev package |
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| 02:58.30 | beardy | !tell yggwork -about root |
| 02:58.33 | abrotman | !tell yggwork about root |
| 02:58.35 | nekostar | hm |
| 02:58.51 | nekostar | abrotman, http://www.howforge.com/install-pure-ftpd-with-large-file-on-ubuntu <<--- would the same process work on debian? |
| 02:59.01 | nekostar | and i KNOW its not #ubuntu >_< |
| 02:59.01 | azeem | nekostar: probably, yse |
| 02:59.08 | landslide | how do i reconfigure sendmail to point to an internal smtp server on the network? |
| 02:59.10 | azeem | just try it, I'd say |
| 02:59.11 | landslide | i've tried dkpg-reconfigure sendmail |
| 02:59.20 | abrotman | i would guess the rules in the sid package enable large file support |
| 02:59.21 | azeem | landslide: read the bat book |
| 02:59.22 | Jamsi | landslide, smarthost |
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| 02:59.35 | landslide | ok |
| 02:59.35 | nekostar | lol azeem chroot>install is not something im great at either :D [on a last ditch save lol] |
| 02:59.40 | azeem | landslide: are you sure you want to run sendmail? |
| 02:59.42 | nekostar | well lets give it a shot! thanx guys |
| 02:59.45 | Jamsi | azeem lol |
| 02:59.54 | Jamsi | He's got a point landslide :) |
| 03:00.01 | Jamsi | (or she..) |
| 03:00.10 | curt | terr_, does that fix it for you then? |
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| 03:00.28 | bkudria | landslide, what are you trying to do? sendmail is a big...hammer...err, battle-axe. rusty battle-axe |
| 03:00.48 | omi | azeem my bad, I said dietlibc6 , the old habit of adding 6 :( |
| 03:00.54 | curt | anarcat, I don't really know what you are asking. /msg dpkg ask |
| 03:00.59 | omi | so apt didn't find it |
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| 03:01.20 | beered | I can print using lp but not lpt. lp file.txt prints OK, but lpr file.txt doesn't. How can I fis this? |
| 03:01.31 | azeem | omi: the `6' is not an attribute of libc itself |
| 03:01.39 | azeem | omi: e.g. on kfreebsd it's libc1 |
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| 03:01.42 | terr_ | curt - wxinstall seems to be chugging along - probably ok but there were bitchs int eh gtk-dev install. |
| 03:01.49 | anarcat | ok, i guess i'll ask again then |
| 03:01.57 | landslide | bkudria: I'm using php for mantis bug tracking on a debian box and it's not sending any mail. I suspect it is because sendmail is not configured correctly. |
| 03:02.03 | LockSmith | i want to change my DNS from 192.168.1.1 to 10.0.0.138, whats the command to edit it? |
| 03:02.03 | terr_ | curt shell-init: could not get current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory x3 |
| 03:02.05 | Mardus | Here's one thing I still think about... I installed a nice cd player, which was identified by the system. To be able to acess the drive as normal user and play cd's with some console-based cd player program, I had to chroot 666 /dev/cdrom. I wonder what that 666 means for chroot (I know, changes access rights somehow), but why 666 and not some other number? |
| 03:02.17 | omi | LockSmith /etc/resolv.conf |
| 03:02.17 | terr_ | curt I have no idea what that is. |
| 03:02.18 | azeem | landslide: why did you install sendmail in the first place? |
| 03:02.26 | azeem | landslide: did you try with exim4 or postfix? |
| 03:02.26 | landslide | bkudria: I need to point the mail to an internal exchange server which has SMTP service installed. |
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| 03:02.40 | azeem | those are much nicer to configure (with dpkg-reconfigure) |
| 03:02.41 | landslide | azeem: it's a default server install |
| 03:02.45 | bkudria | landslide, oh....out of my expertise, sorry |
| 03:02.46 | twysted | Mardus> if you want a perm fix add the user to the media or cdrom group |
| 03:02.47 | dondelelcaro | landslide: do you need to receive messages on that machine at all? |
| 03:02.50 | azeem | landslide: default install of what? |
| 03:02.51 | beardy | Mardus: man chmod |
| 03:02.51 | landslide | maybe some dependancy asked for it. |
| 03:02.55 | curt | terr_, sounds a little borked to me |
| 03:02.55 | bkudria | landslide, i was just trying to be funny :) |
| 03:02.57 | anarcat | i'm running debian unstable with a 2.6.15 kernel. when I try to enable DMA on my CDR (hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc) i get the following error: "HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted" and the DMA stays disabled. i need dma in order to burn cds and dvds. |
| 03:03.00 | landslide | i don't need to receive messages at all |
| 03:03.03 | anarcat | curt, is that better? |
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| 03:03.13 | terr_ | curt - dunno - |
| 03:03.14 | beardy | Mardus: And you should have made your user part of the cdrom group instead. |
| 03:03.17 | dondelelcaro | landslide: then I'd suggest using nullmailer instead; all it does is send messages to an SMTP server |
| 03:03.18 | azeem | landslide: you could use ssmtp or even nullmailer then |
| 03:03.30 | DuncanF | wonwon, 1280x960 is not in the configuration options running xf86config (don't have xorg) |
| 03:03.36 | landslide | can i just point php to use nullmailer then? |
| 03:03.47 | terr_ | curt - sarge is borken - dunno if it will be fixed. I have 100's of zombies and no explanation why |
| 03:03.50 | abrotman | i think in your php.ini you can set the smtp server |
| 03:03.52 | dondelelcaro | landslide: nullmailer has a /usr/sbin/sendmail, so you don't need to do anything, really. |
| 03:03.53 | azeem | landslide: it doesn't matter, they implement sendmail/smtp |
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| 03:04.14 | curt | anarcat, yes, but I am not sure the answer. maybe someone else does. |
| 03:04.21 | anarcat | curt, ok thanks |
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| 03:04.37 | anarcat | if anyone has any pointers on how to debug DMA configuration problems, please let me know |
| 03:04.38 | Mardus | beardy: I know, it just seemed like a quick fix. I wonder if there's a history of chmods for files and devices, so that they could be undone, if the dren's going to hit the fan. |
| 03:04.41 | curt | anarcat, that was a very good way to ask though :) |
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| 03:05.15 | lyggdrasi | im having a hard tiem geting my gateway set |
| 03:05.20 | lyggdrasi | do i do that in ifconfig ? |
| 03:05.26 | bsims | I can't seem to find X11 in regedit... I wanted to see what settings wine 0.9.9 was using any other ideas? |
| 03:05.43 | curt | anarcat, I don't use unstable, so I really don't know... |
| 03:05.52 | bsims | heh junk dna transcodes to a copyright notice |
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| 03:05.59 | nvz | the answer to DNA configuration problems, is practicing safe sex, so go fuck yourself :P |
| 03:06.08 | anarcat | curt, thanks... |
| 03:06.16 | anarcat | that drive was working fine in stable though |
| 03:06.18 | lyggdrasi | im having a hard tiem geting my gateway set can somone help me ? |
| 03:06.31 | omi | lyggdrasi gateway as in default router? |
| 03:06.31 | bsims | nvz: heh sex with a clone brings an entirely new meaning to playing with yourself |
| 03:06.38 | nvz | bsims: heh. |
| 03:06.48 | omi | lyggdrasi route add default ipaddr |
| 03:07.02 | Mardus | lyggdrasi: Perhaps you could explain your problem in further detail. |
| 03:07.03 | ice_1963 | is there a program like dvdshrink for linux? |
| 03:07.09 | LockSmith | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:07.14 | bsims | but seriously is there an more active channel for wine than #winehq |
| 03:07.16 | curt | dondelelcaro, I was reading the titles of some of your papers. Wow. I couldn't even pronounce them out loud. :) |
| 03:07.24 | bsims | ice_1963: k9copy is good |
| 03:07.34 | ice_1963 | hmm |
| 03:07.39 | lyggdrasi | mardus im trying to get my wireless up .. ive got it routing on the lan but i have not gateway address in there |
| 03:07.39 | bsims | also dvd::rip |
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| 03:07.43 | nvz | I'm just trying to get in those genes.. |
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| 03:07.54 | unfo | hi all |
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| 03:08.02 | abrotman | nvz: you need to diet |
| 03:08.18 | unfo | i want to practice my slashem recover(1) skills |
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| 03:08.31 | nvz | pfft I lost like 10lbs.. I am down to like 173lbs now |
| 03:08.36 | lyggdrasi | SIOCADDRT: No such device |
| 03:08.40 | unfo | I lost a level game. I think I was on dungeon level 2. |
| 03:08.42 | beardy | unfo: yank the power cord? |
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| 03:08.51 | unfo | yup - i'm on a laptop :) |
| 03:09.02 | beardy | unfo: take out the battery |
| 03:09.09 | bsims | I can't seem to find X11 in regedit... I wanted to see what settings wine 0.9.9 was using. I want antialiased fonts |
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| 03:09.29 | unfo | beardy: no, i already lost the game |
| 03:09.32 | deadcat | bsims: the f you talking about? |
| 03:09.33 | unfo | i was on level 2 |
| 03:09.40 | blip | hey i have this box that i am using as a firewall ... the external interface gets it's IP via dhcp .... and i have dhcps running on the box for internal clients .... i am wondering is there any way to pass the DNS servers obtained thru the external dhcp lease onto the dhcpd server running for internal boxes ? |
| 03:09.51 | nanok | blip: huh?!?! |
| 03:09.51 | gravity | bsims: Perhaps it's in wine's configuration file in your home directory? |
| 03:09.54 | blip | i meant dhcpd running |
| 03:09.57 | curt | bsims, #winehq |
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| 03:10.05 | gravity | bsims: In your unix home dir, not windows one |
| 03:10.05 | unfo | i did the following: $ sudo /usr/lib/games/slashem/recover 1000* |
| 03:10.05 | unfo | > recovered "1000anon.0" to 1000anon |
| 03:10.05 | unfo | > Cannot open level 0 for 1000anon.1. |
| 03:10.06 | unfo | > Cannot open level 0 for 1000anon.2. |
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| 03:10.22 | bsims | gravity: I didn't see anything yet and regedit doesn't see what the wiki says should be there. |
| 03:10.27 | unfo | that was an unallowed size of paste? |
| 03:10.33 | bsims | curt: deader than a doornail atm |
| 03:10.35 | deadcat | 3lines max |
| 03:10.36 | gravity | bsims: I don't know. I'd ask in a wine channel |
| 03:10.39 | unfo | oh. :/ |
| 03:10.39 | beardy | unfo: Ah. Well, that's not a very big loss, if you hadn't been lower already. 'recover nameofcharacter' isn't it? Read the manual. |
| 03:10.41 | nvz | unfo: you shouldnt paste at all |
| 03:10.55 | nvz | unfo: use a pastebin or something /msg dpkg paste |
| 03:10.56 | unfo | is 5 lines that annoying? |
| 03:10.57 | bsims | gravity: I did and everyone is idling so I popped over here |
| 03:11.00 | lyggdrasi | so how can i confgure my gateway address |
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| 03:11.14 | nvz | unfo: in a channel with 700 nicks?! |
| 03:11.28 | unfo | most are idle. |
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| 03:11.38 | beardy | unfo: You shouldn't have to be root at all. |
| 03:11.50 | beardy | unfo: That is completely irrelevant, don't paste. |
| 03:11.57 | nvz | unfo: fortunatly.. cause if they all wanted to paste 5 lines... |
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| 03:12.04 | kreg_work | anyone familiar with radius? i'm finding it difficult to find some good documentaion on "how" and "what" |
| 03:12.11 | kreg_work | trying freeradius |
| 03:12.29 | unfo | when I did it not as root, I got "Cannot create savefile 1000anon." |
| 03:12.36 | curt | lyggdrasi, /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 03:12.41 | nvz | thats like a 3,500 line flood |
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| 03:13.11 | unfo | what do you mean 3,500 lines? you mean it overloads the irc server? |
| 03:13.15 | beardy | unfo: What level were the character, experience level? And to which level had you been? |
| 03:13.26 | unfo | it was minor, I'm just practicing. |
| 03:13.44 | unfo | i was level 2. |
| 03:13.45 | lyggdrasi | so how can i confgure my gateway address can somone help, ive got everthign configured except for that |
| 03:13.55 | bkudria | checkinstall fails everytime due to a segmentation fault...google shows other people have this issue, but none offer a solution...has anyone here seen this? |
| 03:14.07 | unfo | now I have a file called 1000anon and when I gzip it and move it to save nothing happens. |
| 03:14.29 | bkudria | lyggdrasi, /etc/networks/interfaces |
| 03:14.37 | unfo | bkudria: check if there's a bug filed. bugs.debian.org/checkinstall |
| 03:14.49 | bkudria | lyggdrasi, 'man interfaces' |
| 03:14.50 | beardy | unfo: That's not how recovering works. |
| 03:15.04 | nekostar | \o/ |
| 03:15.24 | nekostar | for the record i would like to thank the little ppl that helped me gather the courage to do what i usually fail at..... |
| 03:15.29 | DuncanF | hmm, what's a good mirror for unstable releases? |
| 03:15.35 | nekostar | <_< it WORKED largefile support in place!!!! |
| 03:15.49 | nekostar | DuncanF, usually i just use kernel.org but im close to it |
| 03:15.53 | unfo | DuncanF: is there such a delay on your local mirror? |
| 03:15.55 | unfo | :) |
| 03:15.55 | nekostar | a lot of uni's have good bw |
| 03:16.13 | unfo | DuncanF: apt-spy can tell you who has the fastest dl rate. |
| 03:16.42 | unfo | beardy: how *does* it work? |
| 03:16.46 | DuncanF | just looking to do some backporting, and one mirror I was using kept comping up with missing packages so it couldn't compile a package tree for me |
| 03:16.58 | beardy | unfo: Have you read the manual at all? |
| 03:17.44 | unfo | DuncanF: this one gives me max bandwidth of all the north am servers, and i'm in canada: deb http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/ testing main |
| 03:17.57 | unfo | beardy: no, "man recover" does not bring up a manpage. |
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| 03:18.06 | DuncanF | unfo, thanks |
| 03:18.10 | unfo | but now that you mention it, i'll use dpkg -L and look for it. |
| 03:18.14 | unfo | afk |
| 03:18.16 | litage | i extracted a tar to / and i no longer have permissions to run /bin/ls , so i'm guessing it changed a bunch of perm it wasn't supposed to. what's the proper way to extract a tar and avoid this mess? |
| 03:18.21 | beardy | unfo: man nethack or if it was slash, then |
| 03:18.31 | beardy | slashem |
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| 03:18.48 | beardy | unfo: also /msg dpkg docs |
| 03:19.11 | unfo | man slashem though, says SEE ALSO: recover(6) etc. at the bottom. |
| 03:19.43 | bkudria | unfo, aha! http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354389 but 1.6.0 is unvailable in sid...what do i do? |
| 03:20.08 | beardy | unfo: recover --help |
| 03:20.09 | unfo | bkudria: it's in unstable? |
| 03:20.21 | unfo | beardy: tells me --help does not exist :) |
| 03:20.41 | [TechGuy] | Wasn't there a note somewhere about Apache 2.2 debs? |
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| 03:21.32 | beardy | unfo: The only thing that should have to be done is 'recover Name', if it doesn't work, something is damaged, and you'll just have to hope it doesn't happen again, when you have a better character and the power goes away. |
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| 03:22.03 | unfo | beardy: hmm |
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| 03:22.24 | unfo | so sudo recover $UID$NAME could have messed up the process? |
| 03:22.45 | unfo | beered, caffei, do you know each other? |
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| 03:22.55 | unfo | you joined exactly at the same time. :) |
| 03:22.59 | caffei | unfo, fraid not |
| 03:23.18 | beardy | unfo: very possibly.. what's with the UID? Anyway, just recover as the user to which the character belongs. |
| 03:23.25 | unfo | oh. just curious if you were sockpuppets of each other or something. :) |
| 03:23.29 | beered | unfo: yep, its all big conspiracy. |
| 03:23.33 | unfo | haha |
| 03:23.43 | beered | unfo: we got ya now! |
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| 03:24.33 | Nameeater | I am wanting to install debian on hdj what do I need to de? |
| 03:24.35 | Nameeater | de/do |
| 03:24.50 | abrotman | !ig |
| 03:24.50 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 03:24.52 | bkudria_ | unfo, i'm sorry, i dropped, and may have missed your answer |
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| 03:26.51 | unfo | bkudria: np, but i did not really give an answer. :) what did you mean 1.6.0 is "unavailable" in unstable? |
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| 03:27.01 | tuv | what is the easiest way to produce documents easily convertible to latex and (rtf or doc)? |
| 03:27.02 | Nameeater | abrotman: care to point me at where I am supposed to be looknig? |
| 03:27.17 | unfo | tuv: write plain text docs with no formatting :) |
| 03:27.20 | abrotman | the install guide .. |
| 03:27.28 | abrotman | !d-i Nameeater |
| 03:27.28 | dpkg | Nameeater, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 03:27.47 | tuv | unfo: then how do i get the rtf or doc or versions? |
| 03:27.49 | bkudria | unfo, err, the latest version is 1.5.3-3, which has the bug |
| 03:27.51 | Nameeater | where in it |
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| 03:28.07 | bkudria | unfo, i'd compile it myself...but i always compile stuff with checkinstall! |
| 03:28.21 | bkudria | unfo, a deep existentialist crisis, you understand |
| 03:28.47 | tuv | unfo: then how do i get the rtf or doc versions? |
| 03:28.59 | unfo | tuv: copy and paste into word? |
| 03:29.08 | unfo | beardy: $ /usr/lib/games/slashem/recover -d /var/games/slashem 1000anon |
| 03:29.09 | unfo | Cannot create savefile 1000anon. |
| 03:29.22 | unfo | so I assume I'd have to run as root. |
| 03:29.23 | nvz | hmm I've never used checkinstall.. thats pretty cool |
| 03:29.40 | unfo | gnu stow is equally good or better for most purposes |
| 03:29.52 | nanok | tuv: what do you need rtf/doc for? use latex and output pdf/html |
| 03:29.58 | unfo | as checkinstall. also see StowES on google or freshmeat. |
| 03:30.02 | nanok | tuv: that should be enough for anyone ;) |
| 03:30.20 | unfo | tuv: hmm, and i bet word can import html! :) |
| 03:30.38 | tuv | nanok: i need to submit the documents in an editable format (latex source is not readable for editing) |
| 03:30.51 | tuv | unfo: i don't have access to windows! |
| 03:30.58 | unfo | tuv: use openoffice? |
| 03:31.12 | nanok | tuv: oh yes it is. and htm is editable for fscking word even, as unfo pointed out |
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| 03:31.19 | tuv | unfo: openoffice does not convert across html <-> doc |
| 03:31.20 | unfo | tuv: or walk to the local university or library and use word. |
| 03:31.29 | anarcat | ok, i think i figured out something |
| 03:31.46 | tuv | unfo: i really hate to have to do that |
| 03:31.56 | anarcat | it seems the ide-disk driver loads before my sis5513 driver, which causes dma to be disabled because the generic driver isn't smart enough |
| 03:32.05 | anarcat | how do i keep the generic ide-disk driver from loading? |
| 03:32.08 | tuv | unfo: besides.. it would be a shame not to have a "pure" solution ;) |
| 03:32.23 | elirips | hello. if cat /proc/cpuinfo says 'cpu MHz : 598.121' on my intel pentium m processor 1600mhz, that means cpufreqd is just working fine(?) without editing any configuration? |
| 03:32.27 | nanok | tuv: do you _really_ need to edit native doc files? i doubt that. html (and pdf and latex, after all) is way more portable than doc shit |
| 03:32.28 | Nameeater | abrotman: I cant find what I am looking for, if its there its not plainly obvious |
| 03:32.34 | unfo | tuv: saving as html is pure. |
| 03:32.40 | unfo | saving as txt is pure. |
| 03:32.41 | unfo | and $ /usr/lib/games/slashem/recover -d /var/games/slashem 1000anon |
| 03:32.41 | unfo | Cannot create savefile 1000anon. |
| 03:32.44 | unfo | oops |
| 03:33.24 | abrotman | Nameeater: i don't understand why it's not obvious? |
| 03:33.30 | nanok | unfo: hmm.. interesting point |
| 03:33.31 | nanok | :P |
| 03:33.35 | tuv | nanok, unfo: it is a requirement for me to submit in an easily editable format, preferrably editable by word. i can't do nothing about the requirement |
| 03:33.47 | unfo | tuv: html and text are editable by word. |
| 03:33.53 | nvz | elirips: could mean someone screwed you over.. was the see 1600mhz is just 600mhz with a 1 in front.. its easy to add a 1, take an extra $1000 and run away. |
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| 03:34.20 | nanok | tuv: is html editable enough yes or no? if the answer is yes, forget about doc (even $they will thank you later) |
| 03:34.27 | Nameeater | I cannot find it |
| 03:34.44 | elirips | nvz, okay then :) is there any way to measure the power-saving? |
| 03:35.00 | elirips | nvz, i was just wondering because of i didn't do anything else than aptitude install cpufreqd |
| 03:36.04 | nvz | elirips: I've never done any of that.. I did ACPI Throttling on my laptop when I had one.. but I didnt test it that much, never got around to trying cpufreq |
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| 03:36.11 | ahewitt | Hi All, |
| 03:36.43 | nvz | elirips: sadly as many years as I spent around computers I still really only do the minimum required to get by :P |
| 03:36.55 | tuv | nanok, unfo: text is a little to limited for me (i need some formatting, pictures, tables...). html would work, but i hate to ask my supervisor to do this and that. he made his preference clear. |
| 03:37.07 | tuv | nanok, unfo: let me tell you what i'm doing right now |
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| 03:37.25 | Nameeater | since abrotman will only 'RTFM' does anyone else know how I can install to hdj? I have been told that the debian installer only goes up to hdh |
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| 03:37.43 | nanok | tuv: check if word (or something else they have installed) is editable by word. it is, afair, out of the box |
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| 03:38.07 | elirips | nvz, well, as i did a reinstall today i thought i might test cpufreqd. never used it before |
| 03:38.30 | nanok | Nameeater: have you tryed? is it stated anywhere in clear that it only works uo to hdh? |
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| 03:38.38 | ahewitt | I am having trouble getting access to the tapes in a neo2000 tape library. I can see the changer and I can move the tapes around using 'mtx' and I have managed to load a tape into the 'Transfer Data Element' slot, however I can't access the tape. From what I understand once the tape is loaded it should be accessable by using /dev/st0, however this shows "mt: /dev/st0: No such device"...does anyone know what I could be doing wrong?? |
| 03:38.48 | Nameeater | it does not install to it at all |
| 03:38.49 | tuv | nanok, unfo: i'm using asciidoc to write my documents in text and have asciidoc convert them to html for me to check on how would they look like, and then asciidoc can generate a docbook xml file that can be converted to pdf/rtf/html(again). |
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| 03:38.57 | caffei | gd, I can't believe people attack Linux as being unsuitable for the desktop. I'd like to show them my 4 text consoles (Ctrl-Alt F1-F4) and my two X displays (:0, c-a-F7 and :1, c-a-F8) running as different users with 4 virtual desktops each. ;^) |
| 03:38.58 | nvz | elirips: yeah if you're really interested in it you should have read the docs right? so why not just say fuck it. Like Ellen Degeneres said, procrastinate now, or you'll never get around to it. |
| 03:38.59 | Nameeater | and there is only up to hdh in /targetls |
| 03:39.19 | tuv | nanok, unfo: problem is. i love latex's output and this pdf is nothing like it. besides, i'm still limited in formatting |
| 03:39.35 | Nameeater | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:39.42 | unfo|away | then maybe your pdf settings are wrong |
| 03:39.49 | unfo|away | s/pdf/latexpdf |
| 03:39.56 | abrotman | a b c d e f g h i j |
| 03:39.59 | abrotman | hrm ... |
| 03:40.07 | nanok | tuv: there is some tool for converting form (la)tex to html, apt-cache search |
| 03:40.14 | unfo|away | latex2html? |
| 03:40.31 | nanok | unfo|away: prolly |
| 03:40.38 | unfo|away | whatever i have to go. |
| 03:40.42 | unfo|away | bye all |
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| 03:40.49 | elirips | nvz, well, well the docs... that's why i'm amazed it already seems to be working |
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| 03:41.19 | tuv | nanok, unfo|away : i've done some looking. the best latex -> html tool is, by far, tex4ht. |
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| 03:41.44 | nvz | elirips: as I recall there are configuration profiles that are built into the kernel at build time.. |
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| 03:42.16 | nanok | tuv: and there is also a very nice doc2html tool, can't remember how it is called, wv something, i think |
| 03:42.32 | nanok | tuv: but you should not mess with doc. doc is bs |
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| 03:42.47 | Nameeater | am I having an imaginary problem? |
| 03:42.58 | Nameeater | maybe I'll swap the disks around later |
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| 03:43.13 | nanok | tuv: use latex, give them a html version, and tell them to install and use miktex, if they are serious about it |
| 03:43.16 | tuv | nanok, well that does not apply to me. i don't need to convert from doc to anything |
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| 03:44.35 | tuv | nanok, that would solve the problem. my supervisor needs to review my documents and add some notes. i wouldn't like to add notes to a latex source, do you? |
| 03:45.07 | nanok | tuv: in case you would. i was very happy to find it: i fucking hate starting openoffice just to read some bullshit that is nothing but text, that some idiot wrote using MS word |
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| 03:45.54 | tuv | nanok, by the way, abiword is much faster to load than ooo |
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| 03:46.54 | nanok | tuv: i would like it very much. also, if the notes would be just for the "maintainer", that is, not to be read in the final output, latex would be ideal: i could add them as commnets. also, i would not want the final result to be editable, and i would want it to be portable (aka NOT bloody MS doc shit) |
| 03:47.29 | nanok | tuv: agreed on abiword, i still fscking hate the idea. converting to html and using lynx is what i will do, everytime ;) |
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| 03:48.43 | nvz | you could just have ooo already running there are many options in the openoffice(1) manpage |
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| 03:49.39 | nanok | nvz: you mean preload? or similar? try that on my 233Mhz laptop.. i am even reluctant to start firefox unless i really need to ;) |
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| 03:50.33 | nanok | nvz: and the point is that i _hate_ to do it, unless i accept it is really worth it. it is definetlly not just to see some crap that is basicaly only text |
| 03:50.44 | yggwork | dam i cant get this wireless setup to save my life.. never had to do it with straight console tools .. can somone point me in the right direction ? |
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| 03:51.20 | nanok | yggwork: state your problem.. (if you have, sorry, i missed it) |
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| 03:51.24 | nvz | nanok: I understand.. I am the same way and I got an Athlon 1700+ or something in this box with like 512mb ram but it still sucks |
| 03:51.52 | nanok | nvz: preciselly. no matter how much power, i still hate the idea ;) |
| 03:52.42 | nvz | nanok: I have been running X (and gdm) for quite some time now probably about a year and a half, but I still just use bash and screen for the most part. |
| 03:52.53 | Dre | :P |
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| 03:53.11 | Dre | good afternoon people. |
| 03:54.22 | yggwork | how do i restart a network interface ? |
| 03:54.32 | nanok | nvz: yup. a window manager is supposed to be able to handle many terminal windows and not get in my way while i'm working ;) |
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| 03:54.38 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 03:55.48 | nanok | nvz: and screen is a godsend for a sysadmin, indeed :) |
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| 03:56.35 | tuv | since i discovered latex, i never used sysiwyg word processors seriously. i even wrote half-page letters with latex |
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| 03:58.15 | tuv | but there are scenarios in which i don't have an alternative. e.g. i need to write a document that someone else has to revise and get it back to me with some comments and so on.. like a discussion thread.. what are my options here? |
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| 03:58.35 | nanok | tuv: ofc. why bother using anything else (unless plain text is good enough, and than you dont need either) |
| 03:58.44 | Geren | hi |
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| 03:59.36 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 04:00.22 | nanok | tuv: i told you. if the discussion is not to be included in the final result, latex, imho. i think any idiot can understand that they only have to write % on the beggining of the line (if they dont, you dont really want comments from them) |
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| 04:00.42 | nanok | abrotman: the man just wanted to say hi.. |
| 04:00.43 | nanok | :P |
| 04:01.06 | abrotman | nanok: did you read his quit message? |
| 04:01.07 | tuv | nanok: that won't work for me |
| 04:01.25 | nvz | some people are ina real big hurry.. if you dont respond to them in like 15 seconds they just leave |
| 04:01.27 | nanok | abrotman: no. i just did now :) |
| 04:01.45 | Geren | is linux communism? |
| 04:01.51 | zinx | time for a ban |
| 04:02.03 | abrotman | Geren: ask ##linux |
| 04:02.14 | zinx | i can only imagine why his voice was stolen somewhere :D |
| 04:02.17 | nvz | someone said ##linux is not around |
| 04:02.19 | nanok | yeah. some people are just bored upon wakin up |
| 04:02.30 | Geren | if it's communism why are we using it? |
| 04:02.34 | Geren | it disgusts me |
| 04:02.38 | abrotman | why? |
| 04:02.45 | zinx | !ops Geren. |
| 04:02.45 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: Geren. |
| 04:02.46 | abrotman | you're agsinst sharing? |
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| 04:02.55 | abrotman | you're greedy? |
| 04:02.55 | gravity | Geren: Go troll elsewhere please |
| 04:02.58 | Geren | abrotman, i am against sharing for free |
| 04:03.04 | Geren | because it's communism |
| 04:03.06 | nanok | abrotman: oh, come on |
| 04:03.07 | abrotman | then don't use it .. now go away |
| 04:03.12 | helix | haha |
| 04:03.15 | nvz | :) |
| 04:03.17 | helix | is this really happening? |
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| 04:03.22 | zinx | helix: sadly |
| 04:03.25 | Coweater | what sets the default locations the build system looks for libraries and headers? |
| 04:03.25 | abrotman | helix: happened a few weeks ago too |
| 04:03.41 | gravity | helix: Go for it, I don't care |
| 04:03.48 | abrotman | Coweater: cat /etc/ld.so.conf ? |
| 04:03.55 | Geren | i mean what makes our free market work is the drive for profits |
| 04:04.02 | Geren | and the invisible hand |
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| 04:04.04 | Nwallins|home | how do you migrate from mysql 4.1 to 5.0 using dpkg on etch? |
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| 04:04.08 | Coweater | ahh, linker config, of course, thanks |
| 04:04.14 | livingtm | geren its not about free so much as its about collaboration |
| 04:04.16 | nvz | ow, did you feel that.. it was the invisible hand.. |
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| 04:04.36 | gravity | "Wow! The invisible hand of capitalism is totally jerking me off right now!" |
| 04:04.55 | Coweater | so is /lib and /usr/lib hardcoded then? |
| 04:04.56 | abrotman | gravity: wait til communism gives you head ... |
| 04:05.06 | nvz | gravity: do you believe that the hand is quicker than the eye? |
| 04:05.12 | abrotman | gravity: of course . your neighbor just got some too .. |
| 04:05.18 | helix | gravity: did you kick him out? |
| 04:05.21 | abrotman | yes |
| 04:05.25 | debian | hi, does anyone else find fluxbox to be slow? I'm using a newly installed debian sid, and it seems slower, especially with chaning themes, than mandriva |
| 04:05.29 | abrotman | oh .. just banned ... no kick |
| 04:05.31 | helix | I only see +b |
| 04:05.36 | zinx | just +q'd |
| 04:05.37 | nvz | it was a silence |
| 04:06.38 | tuv | banning? that is a communist way of dealing with this |
| 04:06.44 | nvz | heh |
| 04:06.47 | nanok | indeed |
| 04:06.54 | zinx | debian: you may have more other stuff running |
| 04:06.56 | abrotman | tuv: you mean amish? :) |
| 04:07.03 | nanok | we should have gotten his address and kicked his ass |
| 04:07.10 | livingtm | amish linux.. now THERES a distro for you |
| 04:07.14 | debian | zinx, eh? I don't get that |
| 04:07.15 | Nwallins|home | i have some 4.1 databases. should i apt-get remove mysql4.1 before installing 5.0? |
| 04:07.19 | abrotman | nanok: he's apparently in NYC .. go get him |
| 04:07.27 | nanok | i guess that would have been rather nazy, as opposed to comunist, but hell.. |
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| 04:07.39 | zinx | debian: if you don't have much ram, small changes in the amount taken will cause large differences in speed |
| 04:07.55 | nanok | abrotman: :P |
| 04:08.20 | debian | zinx, I still don't quite understand what you're saying, but I have about 300mb of ram, lots of free space for fluxbox |
| 04:08.30 | livingtm | you guys hafve experience getting an "un supported" app to run in crossover office? |
| 04:08.37 | zinx | debian: dunno why it's slower, then |
| 04:08.46 | zinx | debian: perhaps you're using a different X driver? |
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| 04:08.55 | debian | nope, sis |
| 04:09.02 | nanok | debian: is it a different version of fluxbox? is there a graphical card issue? (driver?) |
| 04:09.15 | jmp_me | does the kernel handle the memory? i wrote over my memory with nulldata and exceded my ram. nothing special happend. did the kernel took care of that? |
| 04:09.24 | debian | nanok, It's the same version of fluxbox |
| 04:09.29 | DuncanF | is there a way to point the $mozilla command to a non-package install? |
| 04:09.43 | zinx | debian: you may also try installing a kernel for your processor.. debian installs an i386 one by default |
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| 04:09.50 | jmp_me | does the kernel seperate assigned memory but not used memory? |
| 04:09.53 | debian | zinx, I have i686 instaleld |
| 04:09.55 | nanok | DuncanF: see alternatives, maybe |
| 04:10.21 | nanok | jmp_me: maybe you should go to #linux? |
| 04:10.29 | nvz | " book at jmp_me |
| 04:10.30 | nanok | or is there a #kernel channel? |
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| 04:10.55 | debian | although I must comment that gnome and kde seem faster than on mandriva, but that could be because they're newer versions |
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| 04:11.04 | jayr168 | guys.. in KDE 3.4 theres always a pop-up that says 'the KDE window manager' it tells about window movement like 'activate' 'raise' 'desktop #' hot do I disable this? its kinda annoying |
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| 04:11.06 | jmp_me | nanok: maybe heh. |
| 04:11.07 | nanok | nvz: be gentle with that one. have some respect, young warrior :) |
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| 04:11.27 | nvz | I just found a book on Dos 6.22, and some extra dos utils, and also WFW 3.11.. 3 manuals in one thing today |
| 04:11.35 | beered | How do I terminate a process without using the brutal killall? |
| 04:11.50 | nvz | it was kinda funny flipping through that on the shitter |
| 04:11.52 | zinx | beered: killall is for terminating multiple processes |
| 04:11.53 | jmp_me | i found an amiga progamming manual! |
| 04:11.54 | nanok | beered: kill, pkill? |
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| 04:12.28 | beered | nanok: I guess my question is how to let process finish what it was doing, than have it terminate. |
| 04:12.30 | jayr168 | guys.. in KDE 3.4 theres always a pop-up that says 'the KDE window manager' it tells about window movement like 'activate' 'raise' 'desktop #' hot do I disable this? its kinda annoying |
| 04:12.54 | beered | zinx: it's not that exclusive |
| 04:12.57 | nanok | beered: and, maybe, just maybe, the process owning application's own way of managing it's children.. ;) |
| 04:13.13 | nanok | beered: man kill |
| 04:13.13 | sipher | beered would the application be expected to finish once it's done? |
| 04:13.18 | niaht | beered: That's what processes should do normally. If they are not, there is a problem. |
| 04:13.18 | sipher | wouldn't.. |
| 04:13.20 | nvz | jmp_me: I got a couple TI 99/4a BASIC manuals laying around |
| 04:13.27 | Fnine | my vt1 is constantly saying /bin/sh: /usr/bin/termwrap no such file or directory |
| 04:13.38 | nvz | jmp_me: one is an advanced COLOR!!! programming manual |
| 04:13.54 | nvz | man, colored text.. fancy shit |
| 04:14.07 | zinx | jayr168: 3.4.... is that in debian? |
| 04:14.10 | chealer | jayr168: ask #debian-kde |
| 04:14.11 | jmp_me | ha ha |
| 04:14.15 | jmp_me | i am not that old.. |
| 04:14.16 | beered | sipher: no, it keeps running in a loop. it finishes its job, then starts it again. that's by design. I can kill it but I was curious if there is a nicer way to have it terminate when it completes its first task. |
| 04:14.18 | jmp_me | you old man |
| 04:14.41 | zinx | jayr168: sarge has 3.4, etch and sid have 3.5... |
| 04:14.42 | zinx | erh |
| 04:14.46 | zinx | sarge has 3.3 :x |
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| 04:14.50 | nanok | beered: yes: by designing the bloody thing properly ;) |
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| 04:14.57 | sipher | the application would need to have that functionality. |
| 04:15.00 | niaht | beered, kill, or killall (if intended to kill all named processes), will kill a process politely by default. |
| 04:15.07 | jayr168 | yah in using debian 3.4 sarge |
| 04:15.10 | nvz | I am not that old.. I'll be 23 in August |
| 04:15.15 | zinx | jayr168: sarge has 3.3 |
| 04:15.19 | niaht | beered, kill -9 is quite a bit more rough. |
| 04:15.22 | nanok | beered: aka "exit gracefully" |
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| 04:15.31 | sipher | beered what exactly are you trying to achieve? |
| 04:15.37 | jayr168 | i think its updgrade |
| 04:15.49 | zinx | jayr168: there is no upgrade for sarge :x |
| 04:15.55 | sipher | ex. what app are you running? |
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| 04:16.05 | beered | sipher: I'm trying to kill my wpa.sh script gracefuly. I don't want to kill it as that screws up my rekeying. |
| 04:16.07 | zinx | jayr168: 3.3.2-1sarge1 is the latest sarge package |
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| 04:16.37 | jayr168 | anything i can do to disable this pop-up |
| 04:16.55 | zinx | jayr168: you can try #debian-kde, but if you're using ubuntu i recommend asking the ubuntu people. |
| 04:16.59 | sipher | beered what does the script do? .. you could add some functionality to your script to kill itself when it's finished the first run |
| 04:17.32 | beered | sipher: ya, I was trying to avoid that, but I guess I'll have to do it. |
| 04:17.44 | zinx | jayr168: because if you ask the debian people, they're likely to not know if you're using ubuntu. |
| 04:18.08 | nanok | beered: s/functionality/a bloody basic decent exit 0 ;) |
| 04:18.11 | yetistomps | what can i do to play a DVD in xine?? i get this message: Encrypted media stream detected Media stream scrambled/encrypted |
| 04:18.16 | nvz | I remember one of my first scripts deleted itself and the whole directory it was in |
| 04:18.37 | nanok | yetistomps: decss? |
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| 04:18.44 | zinx | yetistomps: read up on CSS, get the library if you're in a country where it's legal, or lobby the local media companies/government if it's not. |
| 04:18.46 | nvz | after that I revised my file permissions |
| 04:18.53 | nanok | nvz: cool. very smart :P |
| 04:19.00 | niaht | Could anyone kindly tell me what the LVM howto means by "disabled" in regard to a full snapshot volume? Curious if the behavior disallows Read-Only access to said full LVM snapshot. Just how disabled is disabled? thanks! |
| 04:19.01 | yetistomps | nano-, i live in the states |
| 04:19.13 | yetistomps | zinx, I live in the States. |
| 04:19.19 | zinx | yetistomps: do some serious lobbying |
| 04:19.24 | yetistomps | lol |
| 04:19.29 | zinx | yetistomps: but i doubt it'll help. you're pretty much screwed. |
| 04:19.41 | yetistomps | so much for playing a DVD. what a crock. |
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| 04:19.50 | zinx | yetistomps: hey, it's the law. |
| 04:19.55 | bnoji | is "exit" a bash command ? |
| 04:20.01 | niaht | bnoji, yes |
| 04:20.05 | zinx | yetistomps: i've heard there are some legal dvd players for Linux, but apparently you can't buy them. |
| 04:20.08 | bnoji | How can I have exit clear the screen before loggin out? |
| 04:20.13 | nanok | yetistomps: it's the people you voted that set up that law |
| 04:20.15 | nanok | :P |
| 04:20.18 | niaht | 'clear' |
| 04:20.18 | yetistomps | zinx, how can a law prevent watching DVD on linux but not on Windows.. |
| 04:20.31 | yetistomps | nanok, i didnt vote for that. |
| 04:20.33 | zinx | yetistomps: because you have to have a licensed dvd player |
| 04:20.42 | zinx | yetistomps: and those are only made for macos/windows |
| 04:20.46 | bnoji | niaht: on several systems, the first term wll auto clear on logout |
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| 04:20.58 | yetistomps | zinx, how come i can play a DVD with mplayer then (no menus of course) |
| 04:20.59 | niaht | bnoji: cool! :) |
| 04:20.59 | zinx | yetistomps: apart from the elusive ones made for linux that no one seems to have |
| 04:21.18 | zinx | yetistomps: that functionality of mplayer is illegal in the states. |
| 04:21.23 | yetistomps | zinx, it makes no sense then having DVD linux applications. |
| 04:21.24 | nanok | yetistomps: the same dvd? |
| 04:21.37 | yetistomps | nanok, the same one. |
| 04:21.39 | zinx | yetistomps: there are parts of the world that aren't as stupid as the rest. |
| 04:22.00 | zinx | yetistomps: and not all DVDs have css encryption |
| 04:22.08 | yetistomps | zinx, i hear that. Too bad i am in a stupid DVD country at the moment. |
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| 04:22.50 | yetistomps | zinx, so are from the States? |
| 04:22.58 | nanok | come to think of it, i think that qualifyes as discrimination. isn't that anticonstitutional, even (:P) back in the states ;) |
| 04:23.00 | yetistomps | *are you* |
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| 04:23.29 | yetistomps | nanok, sheesh..so much for using xine. |
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| 04:23.37 | tuv | so is it really true that no one in the states can watch an ecrypted dvd on linux? |
| 04:24.02 | zinx | tuv: legally? they can only watch it if they find a legitimate linux player |
| 04:24.02 | niaht | tuv: formally, yes... informally.. well.. that's up to the individual I suppose. |
| 04:24.03 | tuv | what if someone does? |
| 04:24.16 | zinx | tuv: if they watch it without said legitimate player, then they're breaking the law. |
| 04:24.33 | niaht | tuv: the dvd police come to your house and knock down your door :) (sorry) |
| 04:24.48 | tuv | does that happen frequently |
| 04:25.02 | zinx | tuv: people breaking that law? it probably happens quite a bit. |
| 04:25.11 | zinx | tuv: the law being enforced? probably doesn't happen much. |
| 04:25.26 | niaht | tuv: I would say.. just about never (on the breaking down of doors).. on the use of the needed code.. My guess.. all the time. |
| 04:25.58 | stew | i have recently legally watched a dvd in the us on linux |
| 04:26.12 | niaht | tuv: If said person is making money playing dvd's on linux.. there is a much higher chance of them experiencing legal difficulty. |
| 04:26.27 | tuv | stew, how did you do that? |
| 04:26.42 | stew | tuv: it wasn't copyrighted material |
| 04:27.15 | livingtm | actually, isnt it the capitolist pigs that require licencensing for DVD players in the states? :-) (sorry, couldnt resist) |
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| 04:27.21 | tuv | a somewhat similar case: p2p downloads, how serious is it considered for individuals in the us? |
| 04:27.24 | tubaman | linspire has a legal dvd player |
| 04:27.29 | tubaman | http://www.linspire.com/lindows_products_details.php?product_id=11804 |
| 04:27.32 | niaht | tuv: sorry to resort to the 'reboot' answer, but honestly, if you want to know how do so something like that.. 'google' |
| 04:27.44 | zinx | livingtm: it's the capitalist sheep caving to the megacorporations ;) |
| 04:27.58 | nvz | I wasnt sure if I was going to stay up or lay down.. but I went over and laid down for a minute and it definatly feels like the thing to do :P |
| 04:28.00 | livingtm | zinx, the RIAA |
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| 04:28.52 | zinx | tubaman: handy |
| 04:29.03 | niaht | tuv: Most people doing p2p downloads, of whatever type, never see any repercussions from those actions. |
| 04:29.03 | jmp_me | its 5:30 am here |
| 04:29.16 | dbindner | If you want to watch commercial DVDs under Linux, then the answer is: you break the law, install the libdvdcss2 package, and use xine. It just works, is technically illegal. No one will care, but if you want, consider it civil disobediance. |
| 04:29.26 | niaht | other than a clogged pipe. |
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| 04:29.34 | zinx | dbindner: it's technically illegal |
| 04:29.44 | zinx | dbinder: oh, that's what you said, sorry |
| 04:29.49 | zinx | dbindner: i'm tired ;D |
| 04:30.05 | dbindner | yes it is. Civil disobediance generally involves doing morally correct but illegal things. |
| 04:30.06 | poonj | anyone here know where I can get info on linking multiple DSL linux to a linux box? |
| 04:30.12 | jmp_me | in america.. yes.. america's lawsystem is really bad |
| 04:30.26 | poonj | is it possible to do DSL bonding of some sort to combine the bandwidth of multiple connections? |
| 04:30.37 | poonj | or even do some basic load balancing? |
| 04:30.53 | niaht | poonj: In a way.. yes. (Try shorewall 3.x for ease of configuration) |
| 04:30.53 | livingtm | whats just as stupid as the DVD BS is the fact that you can buy a CD, and the RIA actually expects that you will then again buy the same songs for your MP3 player and again buy the same song as a ringtone on your phone |
| 04:30.54 | nanok | poonj: check lartc |
| 04:31.23 | poonj | okay thanks |
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| 04:31.47 | nanok | livingtm: ofc. if it has a different wrapng, it is a different product, hence you have to pay for it |
| 04:32.16 | poonj | niaht, how does shorewall do it? is it port based? where if it goes out to port 80, it uses one connection while port 443 goes to another connection? |
| 04:32.49 | nanok | livingtm: also, if they decided you have to play it on some cd-players and not on others, that is what you have to do (see some "copy protected" audio cd's) |
| 04:33.21 | nanok | poonj: you _really_ want to be reading on lartc |
| 04:33.30 | livingtm | nanok, i believe the recording industry must get their heads out of their asses. what successful business model includes sueing your customers? |
| 04:33.32 | nanok | !lartc |
| 04:33.32 | dpkg | i heard lartc is Linux advanced Routing & Traffic Control HOWTO, http://www.lartc.org/ |
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| 04:33.59 | poonj | nanok, I'm already ther |
| 04:34.01 | poonj | thanks! |
| 04:34.04 | tuv | the "security now" podcast broadcasted an episode on a backdoor on some sony audio cds! |
| 04:34.04 | niaht | poonj, do as nanok is suggesting (it is a good idea)... then also take a look at http://www.shorewall.net. Both are good resources. |
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| 04:34.14 | poonj | gotcha |
| 04:34.21 | nanok | livingtm: after fscking them up the arse and pissing on theyr legal rights |
| 04:34.53 | livingtm | nanok, Im all for them making a living, and a decent one. But DRM is never going to solve it |
| 04:35.23 | nanok | tuv: i honestly couldnt care less, these days, as i will allready never buy anything with sony writen on it, ever again |
| 04:35.45 | tuv | nanok, what's that about? |
| 04:35.50 | dbindner | On Debian, you can find help about libdvdcss2 btw in /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/README.Debian (in case no one mentioned) |
| 04:35.58 | livingtm | nanok, its all about supply and demand. If its worth it, people will pay it. If you try too charge too much and attempt to lock it down, peopl ewill figure out how to break the lock. its that simple |
| 04:35.59 | nanok | livingtm: exactly. i am for that also, but they are going about it the wrong way, and are blind |
| 04:36.05 | niaht | poonj, here is the specific shorewall.net page... http://www.shorewall.net/MultiISP.html |
| 04:36.12 | tuv | nanok, they have good laptops.. and digital cameras |
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| 04:36.42 | nanok | tuv: they can su.k my ... , i can do w/o theyr products, just fine |
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| 04:37.45 | nanok | tuv: they also have nice minidiscs. brillinat. i have one, it is gathering dust. do you want it? the guys dealing with marketing there are a bunch of idiots. they insult my inteligence. thanks but no thanks |
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| 04:38.52 | nanok | tuv: i have payed a lot of money for it, i agree it is a beatifull piece of engineering. i wound up buyng a shitty (by comparison) flash mp3 player. i am definetly happyer eversince |
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| 04:39.54 | tuv | nanok, i agree.. they have some sony-only sort of products, but then there are also some compatible products |
| 04:39.55 | nanok | and if i want a "good" laptop (and can aford it) i would by a thinkpad _any_ day over a sony |
| 04:40.40 | nanok | tuv: sony-only is not the issue really. they are just insultingly stupid. |
| 04:41.12 | nanok | nm. they are on the blacklist afa i'm concerned |
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| 04:44.13 | livingtm | nanok what do you think of apple? |
| 04:45.04 | nanok | not much. maybe they are not as bad as sony, but i would probably not buy apple either |
| 04:45.32 | nanok | so to speak, i am indifferent to apple. i fucking dispise sony |
| 04:46.04 | nanok | :) |
| 04:46.11 | livingtm | nanok, Im indifferent to apple as well. Up until a year ago i thought i woul dnever own one. Now we have an iMac and and iPod in the house |
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| 04:46.29 | livingtm | I like them, but I wouldnt say they are the end all |
| 04:46.50 | nanok | if you dont see me here for a while, and hear a rumour i got hit by a truck.. you know who the driver was payed by ;) |
| 04:47.05 | tuv | are there many linux-only people or is it just me? |
| 04:47.12 | livingtm | hehe |
| 04:47.27 | nanok | tuv: no, that is not the issue |
| 04:47.31 | niaht | tuv: This *is* #debian ;) But to be fair, I use windows and OSX daily. |
| 04:47.50 | dbindner | I admit to being Linux-only. |
| 04:47.53 | livingtm | i like to think of myself as a jack of all trades :-) I have OSX, winblows and linux all running in this room. |
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| 04:48.11 | nanok | dbindner: i admit to. but that is still not the issue ;) |
| 04:48.17 | tuv | nanok: i'm not commenting on anything.. just a question.. i'm really interested to know how many people are linux-only |
| 04:48.21 | livingtm | i would probably get off of winblows if my work didnt require it.. if i could get more apps to run in wine |
| 04:48.55 | niaht | XP on vmware on debian... next to virtualize osx.... someday soon maybe! |
| 04:49.05 | dbindner | Sometimes I find it really frustrating, like tonight when I wanted to look at movie trailers. Those kinds of web sites are so not accessible by non-Win/Mac browsers. |
| 04:49.25 | tuv | niaht, i don't think this is exactly linux-only |
| 04:49.25 | nanok | livingtm: nothing wrong in working on windows, or dos, or whatever, as long as it does the trick for you. it's all about choice, after all |
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| 04:49.48 | niaht | tuv: correct, hardly. |
| 04:49.51 | tuv | dbindner, mozilla-mplayer will do it |
| 04:49.59 | nanok | indeed |
| 04:50.06 | bbeck | l |
| 04:50.19 | dbindner | Oh, it usually has to do with versions of flash newer than you can get for Linux. |
| 04:50.20 | nanok | and the mac browser has the same engine as konqueror, as a matter of fact, iirc |
| 04:50.28 | livingtm | nanok, My problem is i want my sh!t in one spot. I want me email on on emachine. I cant work on one and play on another.. i end up loosing intrest or time for the other (usually linux unfortunately) |
| 04:51.04 | niaht | nanok: I second that recollection... *searches* |
| 04:51.22 | nanok | livingtm: as i said, as long as this doesnt bother you, it is ok i guess. if it does, you should probably find another job that suiths you ;) |
| 04:51.56 | livingtm | nanok, easier said then done :-) Id like it if i could do my job on linux |
| 04:52.09 | niaht | Safari=Konq... kinda... http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6565 |
| 04:52.19 | dbindner | I'd like if I never had to use non-free software. |
| 04:52.26 | livingtm | nod |
| 04:52.37 | livingtm | I dont mind paying for it if its GOOD :-) |
| 04:52.40 | nanok | nothing is stoping you.. |
| 04:52.46 | livingtm | if it sucks im not anxious to shell out for it |
| 04:52.50 | dbindner | I don't mind paying for it if it is free. |
| 04:52.56 | niaht | dbindner: Same here, but not for the difference between pay/non-pay |
| 04:52.58 | nanok | well, unless you are working for Ms and signed up to the end of your life |
| 04:52.59 | nanok | :P |
| 04:53.00 | dbindner | you know in the speech way. |
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| 04:53.38 | livingtm | i want to contribute.. one of these days i will. I feel like if i use it, i should contrib in some way. |
| 04:53.48 | dbindner | I don't mind paying for software (particularly at work) but license servers drive me absolutely mad. |
| 04:53.56 | tuv | someguy, basically, there aren't many! |
| 04:54.11 | livingtm | dbindner, its always the DRM part of it thats a royal PITA.. its not writing the check |
| 04:54.12 | niaht | gads... license servers.. /me remembers a past life. |
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| 04:54.25 | tuv | someguy, basically, there aren't many! |
| 04:54.35 | tuv | hmm.. so keeps changing to someguy |
| 04:54.42 | tuv | someguy, never mind |
| 04:55.00 | dbindner | I actually thanked the guy at Mathworks last time I spoke. I told him I had been getting down about the quality of free software. He made me feel so much better. I remembered that all software sucks. (Some sucks less.) |
| 04:55.01 | nanok | tuv: wtf is this someguy? |
| 04:55.04 | niaht | rofl |
| 04:55.23 | livingtm | hah |
| 04:55.33 | lakcaj | anyone know why running nmap would bring down my internet connection? IRC is still alive (obviously) but I can't ping google.com and my browser isn't loading any pages. |
| 04:55.41 | tuv | nanok, i don't know.. whenever i start my line with a "so," it changes to "someguy," on its own |
| 04:55.47 | livingtm | how many people in #debian are programmers / IT professionals/students? |
| 04:55.57 | deadcat | all |
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| 04:56.01 | dbindner | Faculty, programmer, sysadmin. |
| 04:56.09 | nanok | tuv: strange. what client? |
| 04:56.18 | niaht | livingtm: it manager / programmer /etc/etc/etc/etc |
| 04:56.27 | nanok | livingtm: most, i would imagine |
| 04:56.32 | tuv | nanok, xchat |
| 04:56.35 | livingtm | what i figured. |
| 04:56.58 | nanok | livingtm: is that bad, ..doctor? |
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| 04:57.08 | livingtm | Im an engineer. program automated equipment (robotics and stuff) |
| 04:57.09 | nanok | is there any hope for us still? :P |
| 04:57.20 | dbindner | I actually just got on IRC because I was toying with the idea of electronic office hours. I decided to drop in on #debian because I knew people would be around. |
| 04:57.22 | tuv | nanok, i think i had an option enabled (automatic nick completion with char ',') |
| 04:57.26 | litage | how can i send a udp packet to a particular host and determine if the host received it? |
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| 04:57.35 | nanok | tuv: oh, ok |
| 04:57.51 | dbindner | litage: I think you can't. You only know if it rejects it. |
| 04:57.55 | niaht | come come to #debian often these days.. but can confess to electronic hours lasting from wake to sleep. |
| 04:58.01 | nanok | livingtm: udp does not implement that |
| 04:58.12 | nanok | livingtm: the only way is if the aplication layer does |
| 04:58.21 | litage | dbindner: that'd be alright. how can i do that? |
| 04:58.23 | niaht | oops.. that's 'don't come to #debian often' |
| 04:58.53 | niaht | litage: hping2 |
| 04:58.59 | litage | thanks niaht |
| 04:59.02 | dbindner | 'nmap -sU -p 123 host' or some such |
| 04:59.03 | tuv | litage, you could write a small program to do that.. on both ends. |
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| 04:59.25 | niaht | litage: at least, that the closest (or using nmap with proper switches) you will get to what you want to do. |
| 04:59.48 | nanok | livingtm: or use netcat on both ends ;) |
| 05:00.11 | livingtm | nanok, i think youve got the wrong guy |
| 05:00.20 | niaht | Without the access that tuv just mentioned anyway.. do a google search for pathrate. |
| 05:00.20 | tainc | http://www.lecb.ncifcrf.gov/~toms/icons/The_Knack.wav |
| 05:00.22 | nanok | livingtm: yup, |
| 05:00.28 | livingtm | :-) |
| 05:00.34 | nanok | litage: : or use netcat on both ends ;) |
| 05:00.43 | dbindner | In the spirit of knowing if things are open, I found 'firewalk' to be very interesting. |
| 05:00.58 | livingtm | what is that |
| 05:01.20 | nanok | litage: tab completion is not always perfect. especially when you do it quicker than the eye can follow, and are very tired. first learned that doing rm -rf ~ |
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| 05:01.23 | nanok | :) |
| 05:01.37 | dbindner | It's a tool for seeing what can go through a firewall, but it doesn't require that you have a host on the outside to bounce packets on. |
| 05:01.49 | livingtm | cool |
| 05:02.00 | nanok | dbindner: how does it work? |
| 05:02.02 | tuv | nanok, you tend to learn the hard way |
| 05:02.09 | mike4479 | Can anyone please tell me the comand t write boot.img to a floppy? |
| 05:02.25 | dondelelcaro | mike4479: dd if=boot.img of=/dev/fd0 |
| 05:02.26 | nanok | mike4479: dd |
| 05:02.30 | dbindner | Basically, you send packets at some host on the outside, but with a TTL just beyond the firewall. They timeout and come back if the firewall doesn't drop them. |
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| 05:02.35 | mike4479 | Thanks guys |
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| 05:02.56 | livingtm | hah i havent written an img to floppy since slackware 2.1 |
| 05:02.57 | nanok | dbindner: hm.. seems a litle .. hacky |
| 05:03.17 | dbindner | I think I found it here: http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:http://www.packetfactory.net/projects/firewalk/ |
| 05:03.22 | niaht | dbindner, noting the page for (a|the) firewalk tool set is no longer up.. Lots of content on the concept out there though. |
| 05:03.26 | tuv | i haven't come in contact with a floppy since i forgot when |
| 05:03.48 | dbindner | The idea might be hacky, but I thought it was brilliant. |
| 05:03.57 | niaht | Looks interesting for sure |
| 05:04.00 | nanok | can be usefull, i guess |
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| 05:04.47 | dbindner | Luckily I've still got my source code then. |
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| 05:06.16 | niaht | dbindner: do you know the name of the original archive file for it? |
| 05:06.23 | mo1991 | I am using the i82365 driver from the pcmcia_cs package with my custom kernel 2.4.20 - when the pcmcia_cs package loads the i82365 module I get a crash due to and irq conflict - wants 11 - has 5 - this seemed to work before I updated the BIOS so not sure why the conflict now - can anyone help me |
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| 05:06.26 | mo1991 | ? |
| 05:06.48 | dbindner | I just had it saved in firewalk.tar.gz but I don't remember if that was the original name. In unpacks into a Firewalk/ directory |
| 05:06.55 | mo1991 | perhaps the bios chaned the default IRQ or something? |
| 05:07.04 | niaht | mo1991: Gahhh.. I know this one.. there is a memory range that needs to be excluded.. |
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| 05:07.26 | niaht | mo1991: don't quote me on that one though *ducks* |
| 05:07.44 | niaht | dbindner: thnx.. |
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| 05:08.52 | DuncanF | hmm, I just installed the official nvidia nforce drivers on my debian box which killed my network, what command do I use to reconfigure the network and select the new drivers? Same goes for sound |
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| 05:11.58 | niaht | CAREFUL NOW - http://www.l0t3k.net/tools/Firewall/firewalk.tar.gz |
| 05:12.01 | mo1991 | niaht - any idea where I should look - do you think the bios update did this?? |
| 05:12.40 | niaht | mo1991.. I was just looking back through my notes... |
| 05:13.26 | dbindner | niaht: Has the same size and md5sum as my copy. |
| 05:13.36 | niaht | sweet! |
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| 05:14.13 | mo1991 | niaht - i'll show you exaclty what it says in a sec - |
| 05:14.16 | niaht | k |
| 05:15.07 | theturtle | kernel upgrade howto? |
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| 05:16.03 | mo1991 | night - PCI: Found IRQ 11 for device 00:0a.0 |
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| 05:16.25 | yggdrasil_ | hello , how can i tell wich version of debian i have installed ? |
| 05:16.33 | DuncanF | what is the command for reconfiguring the sound and network packages? |
| 05:16.34 | mo1991 | IRQ routing conflict for xxx:xx:0 have riq 5 want irq 11 |
| 05:16.35 | JLOP | algum brasileiro? |
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| 05:17.20 | mo1991 | night - PCI to cardbus slot mem 0x8000000000 |
| 05:17.23 | juhov | yggdrasil_: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 05:17.24 | mo1991 | pci irq 5 |
| 05:17.39 | JLOP | alguém português??? |
| 05:17.50 | yggdrasil_ | ok so i hae testin/unstable installed and id like to get some other packages... |
| 05:18.08 | theturtle | should i use kernel-image-2.6-amd64-k8 on a 32bit athlon64 system? |
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| 05:18.27 | yggdrasil_ | like i cant install vlc can i just edit the sources... |
| 05:18.35 | dondelelcaro | !br |
| 05:18.35 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 05:20.00 | Stevie | wtf |
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| 05:20.24 | zu22 | anyone know of a dialup service ISP that is Debian friendly and provides service to 412 area code (pittsburgh,pa)? |
| 05:20.27 | yggdrasil_ | rb |
| 05:20.30 | yggdrasil_ | brb |
| 05:20.44 | Stevie | zu22: earthlink no good? |
| 05:20.50 | niaht | mo1991: this one might be something you need to reconfig in your bios now that you have updated.. |
| 05:21.00 | zu22 | stevie: looking for somehing cheaper and shell account |
| 05:21.03 | Stevie | d-i has halted on me |
| 05:21.09 | niaht | This is *not* what I experienced (from looking at my notes). |
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| 05:21.13 | zu22 | s/somehing/something |
| 05:21.33 | zu22 | stevie: would like to find something <= $10/mo |
| 05:21.36 | DuncanF | anyone familiar with updating ethernet card drivers? |
| 05:21.44 | niaht | zu22: don't know about the 412 area code, but I am partial to speakeasy. |
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| 05:22.05 | zu22 | niaht: i will check them out thx |
| 05:22.19 | Stevie | d-i froze... WHY |
| 05:22.22 | niaht | zu22: well.. just noted the price you mentioned... might not work out so well. |
| 05:22.26 | Stevie | WHY MAY I NOT INSTALL DEBIAN ON THIS LAPTOP |
| 05:22.29 | mo1991 | niaht - ya there is no configurations regarding irq's |
| 05:22.40 | niaht | mo1991: how about pnp? |
| 05:22.47 | zu22 | niaht: heh |
| 05:23.03 | niaht | I know people think.. "linux.. pnp for windows".. but this is not very true. |
| 05:23.04 | dbindner | theturtle: I think you don't want the amd64 versions for a 32 bit system. Just use something like kernel-image-2.6-k7 |
| 05:23.09 | zu22 | Stevie: your CapsLock key is on. |
| 05:23.32 | mo1991 | niaht - no pnp in bios config |
| 05:23.40 | niaht | hrm |
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| 05:23.54 | niaht | I'm sure you would rather not go back to previous bios. |
| 05:24.05 | mo1991 | using same kernel and pcmcia_cs modules as before |
| 05:24.13 | Stevie | zu22: no it's not |
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| 05:24.31 | dli__ | which xterm option to use larger fonts? xterm -fs has no effect :( |
| 05:24.58 | mo1991 | recompiling the pcmcia_cs modules wouldn't help would it? The kernel specific modules don't deal with the machines irq when compiling correct? |
| 05:25.10 | niaht | mo1991: *nods*.. pcmcia just gets tricky.. for instance, disable pcmcia in some bios, but it will still be detected (though it may not work right anymore) |
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| 05:25.27 | niaht | !kick anthole??? |
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| 05:25.59 | Stevie | roflmao |
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| 05:26.07 | niaht | !boot anthole??? |
| 05:26.10 | Stevie | that page has a 'fan art' section |
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| 05:26.11 | niaht | lol |
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| 05:26.26 | DuncanF | >.> |
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| 05:26.31 | Kinks | hmm |
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| 05:26.33 | dli__ | I don't understand, why the IP couldn't be banned |
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| 05:26.36 | dbindner | Wow, I would have expected the bot to fix this kind of thing. |
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| 05:26.36 | niaht | I am now fully enlightened.. thnx |
| 05:26.36 | Kinks | it is kind of old already |
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| 05:27.01 | mo1991 | niaht - normally I can disable irq's for pcmcia in /etc/pcmcia/config.opts - does the i82365 driver still get affected by this file though? I think that may need to be set somewhere else for this driver? |
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| 05:27.22 | dli__ | whatever, I choose to hate islam now |
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| 05:27.35 | tchino | how can i slide pictures with konqueror in kde 3.5.1 |
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| 05:27.37 | Stevie | My grandfather died in a concentration camp |
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| 05:27.58 | livingtm | wow get a life |
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| 05:28.03 | jugglinx | !ops anthole is flooding |
| 05:28.03 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: anthole is flooding |
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| 05:28.07 | JLOP | português |
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| 05:28.33 | Stevie | where's a K:line when ya need one |
| 05:28.34 | anthole | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:28.38 | Stevie | or hell |
| 05:28.39 | Stevie | a Z:line |
| 05:28.40 | anthole | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:28.42 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@toronto-HSE-ppp4020400.sympatico.ca] by dondelelcaro |
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| 05:28.43 | dli__ | I will ask my question again, which xterm option to use larger fonts? xterm -fs has no effect :( |
| 05:28.45 | Jimz | :/ |
| 05:28.54 | dondelelcaro | dli__: it's -fn |
| 05:29.08 | dbindner | I use xterm -fn 10x20 for larger font. |
| 05:29.08 | mo1991 | niaht - normally I can disable irq's for pcmcia in /etc/pcmcia/config.opts - does the i82365 driver still get affected by this file though? I think that may need to be set somewhere else for this driver? |
| 05:29.15 | dbindner | Or 12x24 for bigger yet. |
| 05:29.15 | dli__ | dondelelcaro, what took you so long :( the sick canadian |
| 05:29.20 | tchino | how can i slide pictures with konqueror in kde |
| 05:29.32 | dli__ | dbindner, dondelelcaro thanks |
| 05:29.44 | niaht | mo1991: that, unfortunately, I do not know. |
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| 05:30.20 | phaedral | dondelelcaro: tried emailing your whois addy; bounced; may I msg? |
| 05:30.39 | dondelelcaro | uh... e-mail to don@donarmstrong.com won't bounce... |
| 05:30.55 | phaedral | dondelelcaro: roger that; will resend |
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| 05:33.00 | niaht | mo1991: I see some chatter about config.opts being the 'old' way.. but just poking around my laptop, that is the only 'obvious' place to 'exclude irq x' |
| 05:33.51 | DuncanF | you know hwo you reinitialize the xserver config to change video drivers? how would I do that for network and sound? |
| 05:34.25 | dondelelcaro | DuncanF: you don't change the network configuration that way; just edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 05:35.08 | DuncanF | dondelelcaro, alright thanks, what what sound? Just installed the nforce drivers from nvidia, I have an nforce 2 motherboard |
| 05:35.14 | DuncanF | what about* |
| 05:35.28 | dondelelcaro | DuncanF: that should just work; you should be able to cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp; or simlar. |
| 05:35.46 | DuncanF | alright |
| 05:36.11 | niaht | What is the behavior of a "full" lvm2 snapshot (2.6.12/reiserfs in this case)? Searches clearly show the snapshot becomes 'disabled'. How disabled is disabled? Mount read-only? no mount at all? What if already mounted? Thanks! |
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| 05:38.10 | jknife | what version of gcc is the Etch kernel built with? 4? |
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| 05:39.45 | gnu_style | is Qparted safe to use? |
| 05:40.04 | gnu_style | cam it accurately resize my winxp hdd without cirupting the files? |
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| 05:40.17 | jknife | !tell jknife etch |
| 05:41.10 | jknife | anyone on etch? |
| 05:41.33 | yggdrasil_ | ok so i hae testin/unstable installed and id like to get some other packages... like i from etch |
| 05:41.44 | jknife | 697 people here and all but 3 are idle... |
| 05:42.12 | jknife | yggdrasil_: edit /etc/apt/sources.list add etch run apt-get update then apt-get install |
| 05:42.13 | leninmhs | etch are very unstable this days |
| 05:42.41 | jknife | dont care just want to know what version of gcc was used to build the kernel |
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| 05:43.00 | leninmhs | im like my rock sarge |
| 05:43.14 | terrellowens | how do I list all partitions and avail hard drives? |
| 05:43.29 | jknife | terrellowens: udev? |
| 05:43.34 | leninmhs | fdisk -l |
| 05:43.44 | leninmhs | fdisk -l terrellowens |
| 05:44.03 | terrellowens | im on a live cd, i see nothing |
| 05:44.06 | niaht | terrellowens: fdisk works... nice little tool called testdisk as well. |
| 05:44.29 | leninmhs | df -h for the partitions mounted in yor system |
| 05:44.34 | terrellowens | I need to access a partition on here, sarge will not boot for me |
| 05:45.09 | leninmhs | before see with fdisk -l |
| 05:45.26 | leninmhs | you have that mount this |
| 05:45.34 | theturtle | what kernel-image should i use for an athlon 64 4000 on a 32-bit system |
| 05:46.03 | jknife | well seeing how know one knows the anwser to my question |
| 05:46.08 | jknife | everyone have a good night |
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| 05:50.29 | niaht | theturtle: One of the k7 images me thinks. |
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| 05:51.50 | theturtle | ya ok, i didn't think k8 would be a wise choice :\ |
| 05:51.58 | niaht | :) |
| 05:51.59 | theturtle | are those for 64-bit only systems? |
| 05:52.01 | castlelove | where can I get eclipse for debian in .deb package? searched thru google, most source.lst not working |
| 05:52.55 | niaht | theturtle: Those are for 32bit AMD Duron/Athlon/AthlonXP machines (from apt-cache show linux-kernel-2.6.15-1-k7) |
| 05:53.14 | theturtle | nah i meant k8 |
| 05:53.14 | gnu_style | is debian more powerful than ubuntu breezy? |
| 05:53.17 | gnu_style | ? |
| 05:53.24 | theturtle | this is NOT #ubuntu |
| 05:53.25 | Stevie | what kind of a question is that? |
| 05:53.30 | augi01 | A dumb one. |
| 05:53.34 | Stevie | ah |
| 05:53.39 | Stevie | 'my distro can beat up your distro' |
| 05:53.40 | yggdrasil_ | jknife that worked well |
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| 05:53.47 | dec_ | Hello debianers |
| 05:53.48 | dondelelcaro | yeesh, relax folks. |
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| 05:54.16 | dec_ | I need to install the 'oldstable' version of proftpd on a 'stable' box. (woody package on sarge) What's the *best* way to do this? |
| 05:54.16 | niaht | theturtle: if you are looking for AMD64/EMT64 kernels.. that would be a wee bit different. |
| 05:54.33 | dondelelcaro | gnu_style: that's not a question that is answerable, unfortunatly. Debian has more packages, but since "powerfull" is such a loaded word, you'll have to figure that out for yourself. |
| 05:54.48 | dondelelcaro | dec_: add woody to your sources.list and install that specific version. |
| 05:54.59 | dondelelcaro | dec_: use aptitude; or man apt-get and read about '='. |
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| 05:55.07 | dec_ | apititude sounds good, I'll try that. |
| 05:55.13 | dec_ | Thank you, dondelelcaro. |
| 05:55.22 | gnu_style | will debian packages run on ubuntu since its based on debian? and vice versa? |
| 05:55.39 | dondelelcaro | maybe, and maybe. |
| 05:55.41 | augi01 | Depends. |
| 05:55.42 | niaht | gnu_style: learn what ubuntu is. (a little searching will do ya).. much to learn there regarding the questions you are asking. |
| 05:55.43 | dondelelcaro | best not to find out, though. |
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| 05:56.49 | niaht | gnu_style: point being, you won't be asking anymore, and you'll be happier knowing. |
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| 05:57.19 | lindenle | Is there a specific channel for acpi stuff? |
| 05:57.37 | theturtle | is it possible my kernel doesn't support 2gb of ram, upgraded from 1gb to 2gb and it sitll only shows 1 |
| 05:57.38 | theturtle | :\ |
| 05:57.38 | gnu_style | thanks.. sori |
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| 05:58.06 | niaht | gnu_style: no worries :) |
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| 05:58.31 | niaht | theturtle: iirc the only high limit is 4gb, at which point you need to make the appropriate kernel selection. |
| 05:58.39 | niaht | er.. kernel config selection |
| 05:58.49 | theturtle | yeah thats what i thought |
| 05:59.04 | dondelelcaro | theturtle: there are two limits; one at 1G, the other at 4G. |
| 05:59.12 | dondelelcaro | theturtle: you need a kernel with high memory support. |
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| 05:59.40 | niaht | dondelelcaro: I'm all too familiar with the 4gb limit, where does the 1gb limit come in? |
| 06:00.19 | dondelelcaro | niaht: the 4G limit is a per-process limit; the 1G limit is purely dependent on how the kernel (and the cpu) address memory. |
| 06:00.41 | dondelelcaro | (and that in itself is x86 dependent) |
| 06:01.11 | theturtle | oh |
| 06:01.15 | theturtle | how do i fix the 1gb limit |
| 06:01.19 | theturtle | thats the one i'm encountering it seems |
| 06:01.26 | theturtle | trying to go from 1gb to 2gb |
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| 06:02.15 | dondelelcaro | theturtle: you should be able to use the linux-image-2.6-686 kernels, and be ok. Otherwise, you'll have to recompile the kernel. |
| 06:02.36 | theturtle | kk |
| 06:02.53 | theturtle | using i386 now, changing to k7 on this athlon 64 4000 |
| 06:03.03 | theturtle | 2.6.8-2 |
| 06:03.23 | theturtle | we'll see upon reboot :) |
| 06:03.48 | niaht | interesting... http://www.spack.org/wiki/LinuxRamLimits |
| 06:03.48 | theturtle | u know what thats called or something, the limitation |
| 06:03.57 | theturtle | just curious by a technical standpoint |
| 06:04.02 | niaht | (little old though) |
| 06:04.27 | dondelelcaro | theturtle: http://kerneltrap.org/node/2450 |
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| 06:06.36 | ireverentReveren | anyone here able to help me solve a "default catch" error with debian ppc? |
| 06:07.46 | dondelelcaro | just ask your question... |
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| 06:08.18 | Stevie | ireverentReveren: maybe you need a new glove? |
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| 06:08.37 | BuNnYy | hola |
| 06:09.22 | Stevie | aloha |
| 06:09.25 | ireverentReveren | fresh install on a bondi blue imac, went through the expert install with no issues, installed yaboot, rebooted, and after the yaboot prompt, i am shot out to a "default catch" error screen in open firmware, goolge cant seem to help me find a solution |
| 06:10.02 | Stevie | default catch sounds like an unhandled kernel mode cpu exception |
| 06:10.07 | niaht | ireverentReveren: reset nvram? is this SMP? |
| 06:10.45 | ireverentReveren | niaht no idea, i am assuming not... bondi blue imacs are 233mhz and came with 32 mb ram by default... |
| 06:10.45 | dondelelcaro | ireverentReveren: boot again using the medium, and rerun ybin -v -v; you may want to reset the pram too... |
| 06:11.10 | ireverentReveren | k, booting now |
| 06:11.23 | ireverentReveren | how do i reset the pram/nvram? |
| 06:11.27 | dondelelcaro | ireverentReveren: it could be that the kernel didn't get installed either; did you create a separate boot partition? |
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| 06:11.37 | dondelelcaro | ireverentReveren: ctrl-opt-p-r |
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| 06:11.45 | dondelelcaro | s/ctrl/fan/ |
| 06:12.05 | dondelelcaro | (or command for those who don't know what the fan symbol is...) |
| 06:12.16 | ireverentReveren | it should have been installed, yaboot can see a kernel with the list command |
| 06:13.02 | dondelelcaro | ireverentReveren: that just means that the kernel is in the yaboot.conf |
| 06:13.09 | ireverentReveren | ah |
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| 06:13.27 | theturtle | that fixed it. thanks a bunch |
| 06:13.36 | somePriest | Has anyone here installed xgl on Debian with much success? Does it work well? |
| 06:13.42 | dondelelcaro | theturtle: np |
| 06:13.53 | dondelelcaro | ireverentReveren: but yeah, I personally haven't ever seen that error myself either... |
| 06:14.06 | dondelelcaro | (and I've see some pretty strange OF ones) |
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| 06:14.41 | Jamsi | If a folder has a chmod property of "drwxrwxr-x" ... and u try to to add a file (and u have the same group as the folder) it should fucking work right? |
| 06:14.47 | jm__ | somePriest: it's not in Debian yet AFAIK |
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| 06:15.33 | ireverentReveren | dondelelcaro ybin -v -v gave an error! now i have a starting point, thanks |
| 06:15.40 | DavidSFN | hi, this is a long shot but is there a way to enable high memory support in sarge after it has been built? |
| 06:15.41 | dondelelcaro | cool |
| 06:15.52 | dondelelcaro | DavidSFN: just install a -686 or similar kernel. |
| 06:16.13 | dondelelcaro | Jamsi: depends; it'd help if you'd give us the exact error message you're getting. |
| 06:16.15 | ireverentReveren | it is complaining htat i need to add a ofboot=,path. where ,path. is the open firmware path to /dev/hda2 |
| 06:16.19 | SimonRaven | "...Holy Penguin Pee" |
| 06:16.21 | somePriest | jm__ : Think it'll appear soon? I used it for about 10 mins at work, they had a live CD with it on. Look really ... interesting. I don't know how practical it is though. |
| 06:16.37 | SimonRaven | ireverentReveren: ofpath command can help with that |
| 06:16.39 | Jamsi | dondelelcaro, just permission denied. |
| 06:16.45 | Jamsi | (touch: cannot touch `test': Permission denied) |
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| 06:17.17 | DavidSFN | dondelelcaro: how do I do that after i've built the system without adversely affecting the software installed |
| 06:17.29 | jm__ | somePriest: yeah I tried the kororaa live CD too, I only noticed two marginally useful things :) |
| 06:17.31 | dondelelcaro | DavidSFN: just install a -686 kernel. That's it. |
| 06:17.54 | jm__ | David05: read the FAQ (read the topic) |
| 06:17.59 | jm__ | DavidSFN ^^^^^^ |
| 06:18.18 | somePriest | jm__ : The cubed desktop/virtual desktops seemed like nice eye-candy. |
| 06:18.24 | dondelelcaro | Jamsi: well, I'm sitting here looking at an example of it working; what's the output of stat .; lsattr .; id; and /proc/mounts for the filesystem in question? |
| 06:18.55 | jm__ | somePriest: yeah but that is only noticable for first 15 minutes, it becomes irrelevant for real work |
| 06:19.01 | dondelelcaro | Jamsi: use the paster bot to provite the information. |
| 06:19.11 | Jamsi | o0o, id is handy. |
| 06:19.42 | ireverentReveren | dondelelcarowhere/when should i run ofpath? while booted to the media? |
| 06:20.49 | dondelelcaro | ireverentReveren: you shouldn't need to run it... |
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| 06:21.15 | somePriest | jm__ : True, but for real work, do you really need any more than blackbox anyway. |
| 06:21.25 | DavidSFN | jm__ & dondelelcaro: ahh i think i've got it now (faq helps) sorry for the stupid question :) |
| 06:21.38 | jm__ | somePriest: yes, I need icewm |
| 06:21.47 | somePriest | jm__ : I use icewm. |
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| 06:22.15 | gpm | haha |
| 06:22.19 | ireverentReveren | dondelelcaro than how would ofpath help me? |
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| 06:23.03 | JeffH | I setup an rsync server on my windows box. If I do an 'rsync rsync://fastback/backup' I see c:\ but it shows Windows as a 0 byte file. any idea what might be wrong? |
| 06:23.18 | dondelelcaro | ireverentReveren: I didn't mention ofpath... |
| 06:23.30 | dondelelcaro | ireverentReveren: oh, you mean the ybin error |
| 06:23.48 | ireverentReveren | yeah, sorry, got you and SimonRaven's responses mixed |
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| 06:26.48 | justnulling2 | what is this error "Makefile:XXX: *** missing separator. Stop." the problem line "$(CC) $(SOLINK) -o $@ $< -lspandsp -ltiff |
| 06:26.48 | justnulling2 | " |
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| 06:27.59 | somePriest | Has PLWM not found its way into the Debian mirrors yet? It does't seem to be on the ones I use. |
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| 06:28.18 | jm_ | justnulling2: probably means it doesn't start with the tab |
| 06:28.30 | dondelelcaro | !info plwm |
| 06:28.48 | dondelelcaro | if it just went through new, it may not have made it in yet |
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| 06:29.23 | justnulling2 | jm_: that was easy :) |
| 06:29.34 | somePriest | dondelelcaro : I think it was included with FBSD years ago, maybe it just never caught on with the Linux crowd perhaps. |
| 06:29.45 | dondelelcaro | somePriest: could be |
| 06:29.47 | justnulling2 | jm_: thanx a giga |
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| 06:30.00 | dondelelcaro | somePriest: in order to get into Debian, someone has to package it, and it doesn't appear to have been packaged. |
| 06:31.48 | justnulling2 | is there apt repository for non-free amd64? |
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| 06:32.11 | niaht | python2.3-plwm??? |
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| 06:33.21 | tengulre | I want to building a app server, which linux is best?( i m point performance) |
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| 06:34.07 | niaht | tengulre: Probably the wrong place to ask.. most of us would likely say "debian of course".. or more properly "there is only one linux.. muuahaha".. |
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| 06:35.01 | Cyis | anyone had issues with using vncviewer to connect to a machine running with Xinerama? |
| 06:35.39 | tengulre | niaht: I think debian is suit desktop! |
| 06:36.03 | niaht | tengulre: I like it for that too :) |
| 06:36.34 | tengulre | niaht: are u point server? |
| 06:37.14 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 06:37.14 | dpkg | popcon is, like, the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 06:37.29 | niaht | tengulre: Not sure I follow you on the term 'point server'. I admin quite a few servers running debian, serving up all sorts of stuff. |
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| 06:38.07 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 06:38.07 | dpkg | qotd32 is probably <Sarvok> So i've just typed "dpkg-reconfigure kevix's" and it's the same thing : the bash have a line started with ">" and that all ! |
| 06:38.14 | tengulre | niaht: OH! |
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| 06:38.26 | justnulling2 | how do i change locate from utf8 to ASCII? |
| 06:38.41 | jm_ | you mean locale? |
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| 06:39.54 | yggdrasil_ | how do i show the wireless network applet and and the battery meter in the upper right corner .. im running gnome |
| 06:40.05 | justnulling2 | jm_: yes |
| 06:40.18 | debian | yggdrasil, what's the advantage of ASCII |
| 06:40.21 | debian | ? |
| 06:40.23 | debian | just curious.. |
| 06:40.25 | tengulre | but the debian seem to not professional server in www.debian.org. |
| 06:40.43 | litage | what does it mean if the message "cvs server: Updating sip_router/utils/serunix" appears while you're checking something out of cvs? |
| 06:40.48 | jm_ | justnulling2: are you sure it's UTF8 now? |
| 06:40.50 | yggdrasil_ | debian .. is this a test /? |
| 06:41.03 | niaht | tengulre: The professional exists in the administrator, not so much in the OS, but if you ask me, Debian is *very* professional. |
| 06:41.41 | debian | yggdrasil, no, I'm just curious lol |
| 06:41.51 | justnulling2 | jm_: from locate output looks that way plus some chars are messed up like in pstree |
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| 06:42.20 | jm_ | justnulling2: set a different one as default then |
| 06:42.30 | niaht | Then, also, if you ask me, RPM based distros are typically *not* very professional.. Being consistent is very important to me where package installation is concerned.. also with sane defaults. |
| 06:42.31 | tengulre | niaht: this only is your idea! |
| 06:42.44 | yggdrasil_ | debian i wasnt the one wanting ascii |
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| 06:42.47 | niaht | tengulre: We all create our own impressions. |
| 06:43.08 | justnulling2 | jm_: but how |
| 06:43.10 | debian | yggdrasil, oops lol sorry I must be going mad.. |
| 06:43.32 | justnulling2 | debian: ascii is soo much better then utf8 |
| 06:43.39 | niaht | debian: Someone will correct me if I'm wrong here, but at least UTF8 has additional overhead when being processed, compared to other locales. |
| 06:43.49 | jm_ | justnulling2: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 06:43.58 | debian | justnulling2, ok, why is it? |
| 06:44.27 | yggdrasil_ | so how can i show a network monitor in gnome |
| 06:44.30 | justnulling2 | debian: that is why (but mostly b/c my ssh client is not rendering ascii lines properly like for pstree output) |
| 06:45.20 | SimonRaven | yggdrasil_: right clik on a panel and select 'add to panel...' ... |
| 06:45.34 | niaht | Debian: but consider the benefits to using UTF-8 in contrast, when dealing with non-english characters. |
| 06:45.43 | justnulling2 | jm_: thanks again |
| 06:45.52 | SimonRaven | click* |
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| 06:46.22 | justnulling2 | debian: now i see ascii (art) so much better |
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| 06:46.45 | yggdrasil_ | simonraven exquisite, thanks |
| 06:46.59 | niaht | justnulling2: lol... |
| 06:48.00 | niaht | How many people still actually think "art" when the word ascii pops up. Someday I'll get that old MFM hard drive connected to something again. |
| 06:48.03 | justnulling2 | niaht: not that funny had to use ctrl-L all the time in aptitude and other ascii art programs |
| 06:48.22 | niaht | justnulling2: funny for a different reason (above) |
| 06:48.23 | yggdrasil_ | does anyone here usi audacity |
| 06:48.49 | niaht | highly annoying via ssh, I fully understand. |
| 06:48.50 | justnulling2 | niaht: i still do :) |
| 06:49.02 | niaht | justnulling2: I can sympathize :) |
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| 06:50.38 | niaht | Now that's something worthwhile to do.. dig out my old archives of WWIV and Renegade. I miss my BBS.. |
| 06:50.59 | roler | does anyone have a Dell Inspiron Laptop? |
| 06:51.12 | niaht | roler: Which one? |
| 06:51.35 | Cyis | niaht: hmm.. pull them out and install them under VMWare and run a multi-node BBS :) |
| 06:51.45 | niaht | Cyis: w00t! |
| 06:51.46 | roler | niaht; I was looking at the 17" models... |
| 06:51.56 | yggdrasil_ | when i record multitrack in audacity the second tack come out all screwed up... |
| 06:52.12 | Cyis | ran a multi-node WWIV BBS out of my college dorm |
| 06:52.16 | MrNaz | Is debian testing, debian sid ? |
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| 06:52.25 | niaht | roler: ahhh.. yes, I've got a few |
| 06:52.51 | roler | niaht; My toshiba p25 17" is taking a crap... I was wondering how well they run linux? |
| 06:52.56 | Cyis | MrNaz: no... Sid is unstable |
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| 06:53.03 | MrNaz | Cyis thanks |
| 06:53.16 | niaht | Cyis: I could have only wished for multi-node.. I ran a single back in HS, with a backdoor to a 'private' renegade bbs.. those were fun days. |
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| 06:53.55 | niaht | roler: Sorry, not sure. My older Inspiron and latitudes do wonderfully. Give me another 6mo and I'll have tried it. |
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| 06:54.25 | Cyis | nias: it was only 2 nodes... one running in one room, second in another... ran the cable to join them out the window (1st floor and 2nd floor rooms) |
| 06:54.33 | niaht | lol |
| 06:54.38 | niaht | that rocks |
| 06:54.42 | powder | do you guys recommend using gstreamer0.8-plugins or gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly in etch? |
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| 06:55.13 | Cyis | back when we used to shoot CO2 pellet guns at the drivers for the pizza delivery place across the street from the dorm... those were the days |
| 06:55.34 | roler | I am just so upset with my toshiba laptop |
| 06:55.47 | roler | I am debating whether to buy a used working motherboard off of ebay for $295 |
| 06:55.51 | niaht | redbox the payphone out front to talk ld to the gf.. :) |
| 06:55.52 | roler | or get a new laptop |
| 06:56.19 | karma | I am setting up a new server and just did an apt-get install of phpmyadmin. I have never installed phpmyadmin like this but it seems to work great. My question is: Doing name based hosting, can I somehow share taht install, or do I have to install for each client? |
| 06:56.38 | Cyis | niaht: Linux machine on the administratie cluster of the campus network... have root access to it... piss'd the dean of academic support off to find that one out |
| 06:56.42 | niaht | roler: Ya know.. it's always a gamble with the newer laptop hardware. |
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| 06:57.36 | niaht | Cyis: *h1t disturber :) |
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| 06:57.44 | Cyis | karma: if it's the same MySQL server but different logins for the vhosts same install should work |
| 06:57.58 | roler | niaht; thats the thing. This current mobo has charging issues |
| 06:58.14 | roler | niaht; the circuits on the board have died. It only charges 1 out of 100 times being plugged in |
| 06:58.21 | roler | niaht; if i get a new mobo, it may not even fix it... |
| 06:58.23 | karma | Cyis: but can I set it up so that they can access it via their domani? |
| 06:58.27 | Cyis | niaht: this was back in '93... I knew more about Linux then the person on administration that put the linux box on the admin cluster... he had ask'd my help which was why I had root :) |
| 06:58.45 | roler | niaht; plus these things go for like $500 in busted form even on ebay... |
| 06:58.48 | Cyis | karma: phpmyadmin simply passes the authentication off to the MySQL server |
| 06:59.52 | karma | Cyis: right.. I understand that they can use their login and pass to get in, my question is how do i set it up so that they do to say theydomain.com/phpmyadmin wtih me installing in every account |
| 07:00.37 | karma | ewps without me having to install it in their www |
| 07:01.09 | damon | hey everyone im new to debian and im havin a bit of a trouble installing programs is there anyone with a few minutes that could help me? |
| 07:01.10 | Cyis | karma: a simply Alias declaration should work... if you're using mod_vhost_alias even |
| 07:01.26 | dondelelcaro | damon: just ask your question, and someone will help... |
| 07:01.50 | Cyis | karma: Could try making the Alias outside any virtual host stanzas |
| 07:01.51 | niaht | Cyis: the days of echo "+++" > /dev/ttyS0; echo "ath0" > /dev/ttyS0; sz /etc/passwd; |
| 07:01.58 | dondelelcaro | karma: just use a rewrite rule to do it. |
| 07:02.03 | karma | sounds good... only I am not sure how to do that... can you help..or point me to something to read |
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| 07:02.19 | dondelelcaro | karma: if it's in the server apache.conf it'll take effect on all hosts. |
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| 07:02.38 | flo | morning |
| 07:02.49 | damon | ok well i download any linux program and extract it to my system. then i open teminal and configure it. using the ./configure command. most install readmes then tell me to use the "make" command. yet when i try this it wont work |
| 07:02.53 | VelvetElvis | is anyone else having trouble connecting to apt mirrors, as in any of them? |
| 07:03.02 | niaht | morning flo |
| 07:03.10 | flo | is heare any kernel Proger? |
| 07:03.21 | flo | i have a litel problem |
| 07:03.36 | SlayerXP | !wayc damon |
| 07:03.36 | dpkg | damon: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 07:03.52 | niaht | VelvetElvis: Nope.. working peachy for me. |
| 07:03.55 | karma | dondelelcaro: that sounds good too... but I am not sure how to go about that... got more pointers or a link? |
| 07:04.10 | dondelelcaro | karma: see the rewrite howto on apache.org |
| 07:04.20 | karma | :) ty |
| 07:04.35 | damon | for stuff like the java runtime component and other stuff were i dont know if they are on apt-get cause i dont know what its called |
| 07:04.35 | niaht | flo: state your issue. |
| 07:04.37 | VelvetElvis | i'm getting 404 not found from http.us.debian.org |
| 07:04.53 | VelvetElvis | and can't connect to chicago or orgeon state |
| 07:04.56 | dondelelcaro | VelvetElvis: run apt-get update; and try again. |
| 07:04.58 | niaht | VelvetElvis: During an apt-get install? Do apt-get update? |
| 07:05.10 | VelvetElvis | apt-get update is when it happens |
| 07:05.28 | dondelelcaro | VelvetElvis: then pick a different mirror; 404 isn't a connection error... |
| 07:05.39 | niaht | VelvetElvis: You might have a typo in your sources.list. |
| 07:05.48 | VelvetElvis | i've tried four different ones |
| 07:06.00 | VelvetElvis | i'll check that again |
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| 07:06.20 | meneg | for some reason, ooffice open much faster after the latest sid update |
| 07:06.23 | meneg | oO |
| 07:06.28 | meneg | s/opens |
| 07:06.31 | damon | so is apt-get the only way to get proggies for debian? |
| 07:06.33 | niaht | daemon: Sun's java isn't in debian. |
| 07:06.42 | niaht | daemon: try blackdown. |
| 07:06.52 | flo | how can i get the serial data from uart/rs232 port |
| 07:06.56 | flo | and how i do this |
| 07:07.02 | meneg | for java use make-jpkg |
| 07:07.02 | flo | in kernel space |
| 07:07.14 | damon | okies niaht |
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| 07:07.31 | flo | is the <linux/serial.h> the right or is <linux/serio.h> better or is both not so good? |
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| 07:08.09 | damon | so say for scripts for chat and games can i dload them from web sites and install them |
| 07:08.25 | ireverentReveren | damon, use apt |
| 07:08.55 | niaht | flo: There is a #kernelnewbies channel that could be helpful to you on irc.oftc.net. There may be one here on this irc network as well. |
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| 07:09.31 | damon | is there a way to see a list from apt... and can i find were it installs its stuff.... sorry guys but i only started using debian less than a week ago |
| 07:09.52 | flo | niaht ok yesterday no people can't help me ok thanks |
| 07:09.55 | ireverentReveren | apt=cache search <string> |
| 07:09.59 | niaht | damon: Most of the time, as ireverentReveren mentions, use apt.. sometimes you will need to look elsewhere, but you will need to install a number of devel packages. |
| 07:10.03 | niaht | flo: good luck to you! |
| 07:10.17 | flo | thanks niaht |
| 07:10.25 | jm_ | damon: list contents of the package ... |
| 07:11.11 | niaht | I know one of these bots is well versed in the apt-cache/apt-get commands |
| 07:11.34 | damon | ok i will give this all a try and will see how i go :) |
| 07:11.52 | SimonRaven | listkeys apt-cache e.g. |
| 07:12.11 | VelvetElvis | Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found |
| 07:12.18 | VelvetElvis | that's what I keep getting |
| 07:12.53 | Kinks | so change the mirror. |
| 07:13.01 | VelvetElvis | i've tried three of them |
| 07:13.24 | VelvetElvis | where is Packages.gz saved and what does the permission on it need to be? |
| 07:13.31 | niaht | VelvetElvis: I just checked the url directly in a browser.. I happened to get Oregon State Universities mirror.. and the file was there. |
| 07:13.37 | jm_ | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK |
| 07:13.44 | jm_ | it works just fine, must be your end |
| 07:14.27 | Kinks | warps fine for me too.. |
| 07:14.30 | Kinks | ..works* |
| 07:15.05 | niaht | VelvetElvis: Any proxies, etc.. in your way? |
| 07:15.27 | damon | sorry to bother again but i got UT2003 on a linux cd how would i install that |
| 07:15.38 | VelvetElvis | no |
| 07:15.38 | niaht | damon: The instructions are on the CD |
| 07:15.45 | VelvetElvis | i get 404 not found with lynx too |
| 07:15.59 | niaht | VelvetElvis: Wacky... |
| 07:16.10 | VelvetElvis | it's a VPS. I can get there from my local machine |
| 07:16.13 | damon | ok |
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| 07:17.55 | VelvetElvis | i guess I must be getting caught in a wildcard ban or somthing. I guess I'll just keep trying mirrors. |
| 07:17.58 | quicker | http://mood.bounceme.net/ |
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| 07:18.44 | VelvetElvis | actualy, I should check my own fireware and see if I locked myself out |
| 07:18.47 | VelvetElvis | firewall |
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| 07:19.33 | niaht | VelvetElvis: Wouldn't 404 denote that something answered? |
| 07:19.54 | Kinks | it's a server response, not a client generated error. |
| 07:19.59 | niaht | Exactly |
| 07:20.09 | SimonRaven | duh |
| 07:20.14 | VelvetElvis | ok, i'm getting a 404 when i try and use lynx to connect to google |
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| 07:20.19 | Kinks | lawl |
| 07:20.47 | niaht | VelvetElvis: Something is answering your requests.. even if it's a transparent proxy. |
| 07:21.18 | niaht | or routing badness |
| 07:21.27 | niaht | or dns trickery |
| 07:21.34 | niaht | traceroute |
| 07:21.56 | Kinks | or something translating the url into a mess.. though I don't know what would. |
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| 07:25.14 | VelvetElvis | ok, I shut down apache and now i'm getting 111 connection refused instead of 404 |
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| 07:25.36 | niaht | VelvetElvis: traceroute google.com |
| 07:25.45 | niaht | ohhh yes..this is a vps |
| 07:25.57 | niaht | maybe you can't traceroute? |
| 07:26.11 | niaht | not naturally anyway |
| 07:26.20 | Sonny | hi I use gnome. I removed many apps of KDE but they are still in the menu Debian, but they are broken links... how can I delete all of them? |
| 07:26.33 | jm_ | tcptraceroute www.google.com 80 |
| 07:26.54 | jm_ | I think 80 is default anyway |
| 07:26.56 | niaht | or traceroute -I google.com to use ICMP |
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| 07:28.23 | powder | i'm kinda confused. are you supposed to install gstreamer0.8 plugins and gstreamer0.10 plugins or just one or the other? |
| 07:28.23 | niaht | Sonny: I've had my fair share of issues there too. Sometimes running update-menus helps. |
| 07:28.40 | niaht | powder: based on the version numbers, my guess would be one or the other. |
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| 07:28.51 | Mardus | Hi. |
| 07:28.56 | Mardus | (again) |
| 07:29.10 | Mardus | Now I'm in the system that I set up, but I need to set it up further. |
| 07:29.35 | powder | niaht, yeah better just stick with one :) |
| 07:29.36 | Sonny | niaht let me try |
| 07:29.37 | VelvetElvis | no tcptraceroute and just traceroute returns unknown host |
| 07:29.53 | niaht | VelvetElvis: host google.com |
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| 07:30.22 | jm_ | that means your name resolution is not working |
| 07:30.23 | niaht | VelvetElvis: If that shows nothing, check your /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 07:30.47 | Sonny | niaht, waaaaaaaaaaa it dissapeared everything... what should I do now??? |
| 07:31.28 | Sonny | niaht, my menu Debian has dissapeared!!! |
| 07:31.38 | niaht | Sonny: Not terribly sure. I usually have to do both that as well as exit my X session and re-login. |
| 07:32.16 | VelvetElvis | i got a result from trouceroute, though just numeric IPs. resolv.conf looks fine |
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| 07:32.50 | VelvetElvis | i guess i'll email the VPS provider as it's starting to look like it could be on their end |
| 07:33.00 | niaht | VelvetElvis: Can you resolve hosts using the host command? |
| 07:33.14 | VelvetElvis | yes |
| 07:33.15 | kreg_work | anyone know how to use atyfb? |
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| 07:34.00 | Ilya | DCC SEND "string" 0 0 0 |
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| 07:34.25 | niaht | VelvetElvis: Usually traceroute does just give numeric IP responses.. but it will show you the path to get to the host you specify. |
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| 07:34.44 | VelvetElvis | right. i'm just used to seeing ISP names and stuff in it |
| 07:34.47 | Ilya | DCC SEND "string" 0 0 0 |
| 07:34.47 | *** part/#debian karma (i=lsailor@ded233-deb-173-33.netsonic.net) |
| 07:34.48 | niaht | If that path takes you back to your own IP address... |
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| 07:35.17 | niaht | that might explain the behavior you experienced. |
| 07:35.25 | VelvetElvis | it does |
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| 07:35.38 | VelvetElvis | me at 1 |
| 07:35.41 | niaht | type 'route' and inspect that. |
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| 07:36.08 | Ilya | DCC SEND "string" 0 0 0 |
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| 07:36.21 | niaht | default route might be horked (<- *very* technical term) |
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| 07:36.34 | ireverentReveren | wtf is Ilya doing? |
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| 07:36.51 | niaht | screwing with b0rked (<-more technical terms) irc clients. |
| 07:36.53 | Ilya | its a vulnerability in linksys routers |
| 07:36.59 | niaht | ahhh |
| 07:36.59 | Kinks | crashing clients |
| 07:37.04 | Ilya | yep |
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| 07:37.06 | Ilya | :) |
| 07:37.08 | Ilya | DCC SEND "string" 0 0 0 |
| 07:37.14 | VelvetElvis | that's nice of you |
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| 07:37.21 | Mardus | Question: Which file to edit so, that it would be possible to connect automatically after a reboot? |
| 07:37.22 | Mardus | (to connect to the net) |
| 07:37.23 | niaht | Well, now that you've had your phun.. |
| 07:37.24 | Kinks | as amused as you might seem by it, it's rather annoying and immature. |
| 07:37.26 | Ilya | hehehehehhehhehe |
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| 07:37.29 | Kinks | stopping would be appreciated =) |
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| 07:38.18 | niaht | Mardus: If you followed the install correctly, that *should* already be taken care of for you, unless there were special circumstances I missed from an earlier conversation. |
| 07:38.21 | VelvetElvis | it looks OK, but the way routing and such is set up under VZ confuses me to begin with |
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| 07:39.05 | niaht | VelvetElvis; I hear ya.. Curious, what OS is the VPS running? (usually some linux, or FreeBSD) |
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| 07:39.19 | VelvetElvis | redhat enterpize |
| 07:39.22 | niaht | yay! |
| 07:39.24 | VelvetElvis | enterprise |
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| 07:39.33 | SimonRaven | @ops Ilya (n=ilya@ool-44c79a71.dyn.optonline.net) doing the dumb linksys vuln |
| 07:39.34 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, azeem, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: Ilya (n=ilya@ool-44c79a71.dyn.optonline.net) doing the dumb linksys vuln |
| 07:39.39 | Mardus | niaht: I'll make a restart and then see if it has persisted after a major upgrade, when I finally got the machine to run Sarge. |
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| 07:41.23 | powder | anyone else have the problem of spellchecker not working? it doesn't work in openoffice.org writer and abiword :( |
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| 07:42.04 | niaht | powder: Do you have the needed packages installed? (forgive, I don't know offhand which are specifically) |
| 07:42.19 | VelvetElvis | i think it's myspell for OO |
| 07:42.36 | powder | niaht, i just assumed they would be downloaded by default hehe |
| 07:43.03 | gnu_style | hey.... if ubuntu is based on open-source why does it use the names of cartoon character by Pixar which is owned by MAC? |
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| 07:43.21 | gnu_style | mac is making proprietary software |
| 07:43.24 | gnu_style | ?? |
| 07:43.34 | niaht | powder: One of the nice things about the apt/dpkg/debian repository, and also a frustration for newcomers... most things are separated out.. You'll learn to love it :) |
| 07:43.46 | VelvetElvis | the name is from some african language that means somthing corny |
| 07:43.57 | niaht | gnu_style: We really wouldn't know. |
| 07:44.09 | DuncanF | hmm, anyone know what the most powerful free windows emulation software is? more geared for games |
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| 07:44.19 | gnu_style | im sory I mean DEBIAN not ubuntu |
| 07:44.27 | powder | niaht, ok i'll do some digging in synaptic :) |
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| 07:44.36 | gnu_style | woody and sarge are from toy story |
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| 07:44.53 | Mardus | Ah well, same thing after a restart. I had to do ifup eth0 do get to the net. |
| 07:44.53 | DuncanF | so is sid |
| 07:44.58 | powder | and etch |
| 07:45.19 | DuncanF | can't wait for buzz or lightyear :p |
| 07:45.25 | gnu_style | :) |
| 07:45.40 | dos000 | is it safe to start making modifications to /etc files while mdadm is hot adding a drive ? |
| 07:46.05 | gnu_style | so i just wondered why the debian people are using such names from pixar which is owned by mac |
| 07:46.09 | SimonRaven | nuzz has already gone |
| 07:46.09 | NoboruSan | deiban 3.1r0 = sarge ? |
| 07:46.12 | SimonRaven | buzz* |
| 07:46.17 | SimonRaven | @buzz |
| 07:46.18 | ravenbird | extra, extra, read all about it, buzz is Debian 1.1, released June 1996 (474 packages, 2.0 kernel, fully ELF, dpkg) |
| 07:46.28 | niaht | powder: the package 'openoffice.org' suggests myspell-dictionary. |
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| 07:46.44 | gnu_style | yah 3.1 is sarge 3.2 is etch 3.3 is sid |
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| 07:46.58 | powder | niaht, thanks for your help i'll give it a try |
| 07:46.59 | niaht | mardus: check your /etc/network/interfaces file. It should contain 'auto eth0 up' |
| 07:47.09 | SimonRaven | sid is not going to be released |
| 07:47.32 | niaht | mardus: OOPS! that's 'auto eth0' |
| 07:47.36 | SimonRaven | and they haven't assigned a number to etch i think |
| 07:47.43 | niaht | I think that's my cue to hit the hay |
| 07:47.45 | NoboruSan | it is 2.4x or 2.6x kernel included in debian 3.1r0 ? |
| 07:47.50 | SimonRaven | (that last bit i could be wrong) |
| 07:47.52 | niaht | powder: np |
| 07:47.56 | SimonRaven | niaht: both |
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| 07:48.03 | NoboruSan | :( |
| 07:48.06 | SimonRaven | niaht: sorry. NoboruSan ^^^ |
| 07:48.14 | NoboruSan | :) |
| 07:48.17 | gnu_style | simonraven: both are included |
| 07:48.22 | SimonRaven | 2.4.27 or 2.6.8 |
| 07:48.27 | NoboruSan | I see |
| 07:48.30 | SimonRaven | gnu_style: i know |
| 07:48.30 | Mardus | niaht: iface auto eth0 inet dhcp (right?) |
| 07:48.35 | NoboruSan | so in vmware which one i should select with ? |
| 07:48.43 | NoboruSan | 2.4x or 2.6x ? |
| 07:48.51 | SimonRaven | ^^^ |
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| 07:49.06 | niaht | Mardus: 'iface eth0 inet dhcp' on one line |
| 07:49.10 | NoboruSan | hi SimonRaven, google runs on linux ? |
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| 07:49.16 | niaht | Mardus: 'auth eth0' on a line above that. |
| 07:49.20 | SimonRaven | dunno, i think people have tried and succeeded with both |
| 07:49.34 | NoboruSan | I see |
| 07:49.35 | niaht | NoboruSan: Either will do nicely. |
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| 07:49.45 | NoboruSan | ok |
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| 07:50.21 | Mardus | Right. I forgot that I had a very similar reference in an older Debian computer. |
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| 07:51.33 | Mardus | My goal is to iron out any problems with the system, because other people are going to use it. |
| 07:51.34 | niaht | Mardus: 'man interfaces' also.. not to be flippant or anything.. it has good info. |
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| 07:52.06 | Mardus | niaht: Yea, I sometimes forget that. I haven't slept all night and more, so I don't remember to look into manuals. |
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| 07:52.14 | Mardus | I'll reboot and see what happens. |
| 07:52.36 | NiklasH_work | sorry if i'm missing anything, but can anyone tell me if mirror.pudas.net is not supposed to be on my sources.list anymore? |
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| 07:52.54 | NiklasH_work | i get a 404 on stable/main/binary... |
| 07:52.56 | niaht | NiklasH_work: there is a nice up-to-date mirror list on debian.org |
| 07:52.58 | Sonny | is the libsnmp9-dev a replacement for libsnmp5-dev pkg? |
| 07:53.14 | NiklasH_work | thanks, i'll check that. |
| 07:53.18 | niaht | NiklasH_work: np |
| 07:53.32 | Supaplex | Sonny: apt-cache show libsnmp9-dev might tell you |
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| 07:54.52 | NoboruSan | when did debian come out at the fist ? |
| 07:54.59 | Sonny | Supaplex: I need the pkg: libsnmp5-dev, but I dont have in my repositories... and it has conflicts with libsnmp9-dev, how can I get it? |
| 07:55.01 | niaht | Sonny: note the 'Provides' and 'Replaces' lines. |
| 07:55.11 | Supaplex | Sonny: snapshots |
| 07:55.59 | niaht | libsnmp5-dev exists in stable and security |
| 07:56.44 | Sonny | niaht: Replaces: libsnmp-dev, libsnmp-perl (<< 5.2.1.2-4) |
| 07:56.44 | Sonny | , Provides: libsnmp-dev |
| 07:56.44 | Sonny | , Conflicts: libsnmp-dev, libsnmp5-dev |
| 07:56.44 | Sonny | . |
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| 07:57.09 | niaht | yep.. :) |
| 07:57.13 | VelvetElvis | why would I get a 404 with apache up and a 111 with it down? |
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| 07:57.25 | Supaplex | Sonny: or, grab the source and see if updating the debian/control allows it to work (caveat emptor at any rate) |
| 07:57.30 | niaht | VelvetElvis: Because your default route is somehow pointed to your own host? |
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| 07:57.51 | Supaplex | wth is 111 for a response code a anyway? |
| 07:58.00 | Mardus | Looks like automatic network connect works now. Thanks. |
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| 07:58.06 | niaht | VelvetElvis: Not sure how that can happen and you still able to connect.. |
| 07:58.09 | NoboruSan | i think im downloading the wrong debian cd |
| 07:58.17 | NoboruSan | im downloading cd1 which is 600mb+ |
| 07:58.28 | Sonny | niaht: how can I get the pkg libsnmp5-dev |
| 07:58.28 | NoboruSan | now i found there is a debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso which is 100mb or so |
| 07:58.28 | Sonny | ? or it is not disigned for testing? |
| 07:58.29 | VelvetElvis | Could not connect to packages.dotdeb.org:80 (207.210.241.174). - connect (111 Connection refused) |
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| 07:58.50 | Kinks | NoboruSan: and what do you mean by "wrong"? |
| 07:58.50 | NoboruSan | can i install debian with debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso ? |
| 07:58.54 | niaht | NoboruSan: The full disks are about that big.. the netinst image is something like a bit over 100mb ,but doesn't include packages on teh cd |
| 07:59.15 | NoboruSan | niaht, can i apt-get to grab the stuff with debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso ? |
| 07:59.16 | Mardus | Now, there's a mouse with a scroller, but the scroller doesn't work. The scroller also works as a button. What to do with that? |
| 07:59.19 | niaht | Sonny: You would have to have both stable and testing in your sources.list, which requires a bit of setup otherwise. |
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| 07:59.31 | NoboruSan | Kinks, i mean this one is way too large |
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| 07:59.53 | niaht | NoboruSan: Yeah, essentially.. the installer will install the system from packages on the debian repository. |
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| 08:00.01 | Mardus | Rather, how to get the scroller with that mouse working? |
| 08:00.05 | niaht | NoboruSan: And then you can use apt after that. |
| 08:00.06 | NoboruSan | niaht, thanks,let me redo it |
| 08:01.13 | powder | niaht, turns out myspell libraries were installed, i just didn't have myspell-en-us :) thanks again. |
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| 08:01.39 | niaht | VelvetElvis: That doesn't look like packages.dotdeb.org's ip address. |
| 08:01.50 | nayyares | i can listen kde(system) sounds but when i run DVDs i am unable to listen(real player, mplayer)? |
| 08:02.01 | niaht | powder: good job! anytime. |
| 08:02.27 | NoboruSan | niaht, yeah,downloading it now :) |
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| 08:03.31 | Kinks | VelvetElvis: I happen to agree with niaht. |
| 08:03.51 | VelvetElvis | ok, i'm not able to resolve some IPs. maybe some are cached or somthing? |
| 08:04.07 | VelvetElvis | Could not connect to http.us.debian.org:80 (207.210.241.174). - connect (111 Connection refused) <-- that? |
| 08:04.12 | Supaplex | your internet is b0ked, take it back for an exchange. ;) |
| 08:04.44 | niaht | VelvetElvis: Note the ip shown for http.us.debian.org.. compare to the ip shown for packages.dotdeb.org |
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| 08:05.07 | Supaplex | some hosts will resolve to multiple ips |
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| 08:05.48 | VelvetElvis | either dotdeb is now an offical debian project or somthing is screwed |
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| 08:06.10 | niaht | VelvetElvis: Right.. So how about something else? Something not related to OSS at all. |
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| 08:06.27 | nayyares | i can listen kde(system) sounds but when i run DVDs i am unable to listen(real player, mplayer)? |
| 08:06.30 | niaht | (just in case debian took over the world in the last hours) |
| 08:06.59 | niaht | nayyares: There are too many possibilities to list. |
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| 08:07.27 | powder | nayyares, checking your mixer would be a good start :) |
| 08:07.31 | nayyares | niaht, it was working yesterday |
| 08:07.33 | Supaplex | !any ideas |
| 08:07.33 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of ground beef, a little K-Y jelly, and a dozen sex-crazed goats. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few minutes! |
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| 08:07.50 | nayyares | powder, i already did it |
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| 08:08.03 | niaht | nayyares: Yesterday is a long time ago in 'playing with settings/configs/upgrades' land. |
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| 08:08.16 | VelvetElvis | ok. that's my IP showing |
| 08:08.27 | VelvetElvis | i thought it looked familiar |
| 08:08.28 | niaht | VelvetElvis: I suspected as much. |
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| 08:08.38 | powder | lol |
| 08:08.49 | niaht | VelvetElvis: Try an alternative dns server. |
| 08:09.25 | niaht | And then fire the admin off a nasty email for running a open recursive dns server. |
| 08:09.26 | Supaplex | this cottin picking piece of crap dns server at 127.0.0.1 ... wait... ;) |
| 08:09.36 | niaht | rofl |
| 08:09.56 | powder | is anyone here in gnome right now? |
| 08:09.59 | nayyares | niaht, i have notice that is some program which can access sound card is runing then my DVD w'nt make sound? what is the solution? |
| 08:10.02 | VelvetElvis | it's a brand new VPS. we don't have one pointing at us yet. I was able to access outside stuff with it yesterday though |
| 08:10.13 | VelvetElvis | or do you mean |
| 08:10.14 | VelvetElvis | rright |
| 08:10.15 | niaht | nayyares: KDE sound system getting in the way of other access? |
| 08:10.28 | Supaplex | powder: are you trying to incriminate someone? :-D |
| 08:10.41 | nayyares | niaht, yeah, i think so |
| 08:10.52 | powder | Supaplex, then i would be incriminating myself! :D |
| 08:10.59 | Supaplex | let's ask dpkg |
| 08:11.02 | Supaplex | !start a wm war |
| 08:11.03 | dpkg | fvwm95 sucks! |
| 08:11.12 | niaht | nayyares: Test by turning off KDE sound system, try DVD. |
| 08:11.12 | nayyares | niaht, how can i stop it ? |
| 08:11.22 | powder | lol that's awesome |
| 08:11.38 | niaht | nayyares: It's in the 'Control Center' |
| 08:11.41 | Supaplex | that factoid is indecisive. |
| 08:11.49 | niaht | powder: I'll bet you can guess which wm I'm using :) |
| 08:11.51 | Supaplex | it'll change frequently. *cough* |
| 08:12.14 | Supaplex | what's a wm? ;) |
| 08:12.18 | powder | niaht, KDE? :) |
| 08:12.26 | niaht | Supaplex: My understanding is that that particular status has flipfloped repeatedly in the last 365 days. |
| 08:12.32 | niaht | :) |
| 08:12.49 | VelvetElvis | this is supposedly a managed account so I'll just sleep and bug tech support in the morning |
| 08:12.50 | niaht | powder: Quite right watson! |
| 08:12.51 | VelvetElvis | thanks though |
| 08:13.01 | Supaplex | niaht: humm? |
| 08:13.01 | powder | i think all the hardcores moved to KDE after Linus slammed Gnome in that mailing list :) |
| 08:13.12 | niaht | VelvetElvis: And fire them shortly after. |
| 08:13.19 | VelvetElvis | I figured out gnome sucked years ago |
| 08:13.20 | VelvetElvis | heh |
| 08:13.28 | Supaplex | hehe |
| 08:13.39 | niaht | powder: I'm just lazy. :D |
| 08:13.46 | Supaplex | the only reason Linus uses X is for the multiple xterms you can run at once |
| 08:13.53 | VelvetElvis | everything i'm hosting is still there, which is only a wiki at this, but I suppose that's what matters |
| 08:13.56 | Supaplex | as far as I've heard |
| 08:13.59 | VelvetElvis | at this point |
| 08:14.27 | powder | niaht, i do like KDE, but my favorite apps are all gtk! gaim, firefox, gimp... |
| 08:14.33 | niaht | VelvetElvis: I hope you are at least getting a good deal. |
| 08:14.53 | VelvetElvis | got half price for committing to a year *wince* |
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| 08:15.12 | niaht | powder: *nods*.. I run many Gnome apps under KDE.. extra-extra overhead.. but it works a-ok. |
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| 08:15.22 | niaht | VelvetElvis: Not all bad then |
| 08:15.38 | LockSmith | i need to update clamav, how can i go about doing that? |
| 08:15.45 | niaht | Knight Rider! |
| 08:15.50 | powder | niaht, i also have trouble adjusting to konqueror as the file manager and web browser at the same time, it was just weird lol |
| 08:16.06 | niaht | LockSmith: Did you install it from the debian repository? |
| 08:16.08 | VelvetElvis | freshclams is what you use. i don't know how to use it though |
| 08:16.14 | LockSmith | apt-get install clamav |
| 08:16.18 | LockSmith | thats how i got it |
| 08:16.24 | LockSmith | now its telling me it needs updating |
| 08:16.29 | niaht | LockSmith: Are you trying to update clamav itself, or the virus definitions? |
| 08:16.31 | niaht | ahhh |
| 08:16.36 | LockSmith | virus definitions |
| 08:16.49 | Supaplex | he's trying to cross breed the virii |
| 08:16.56 | SlayerXP | viruses |
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| 08:16.59 | niaht | yeah.. you need to run a very recent version.. I'm not sure if you need testing or unstable (hopefully testing) |
| 08:17.07 | Supaplex | wtfever :) |
| 08:17.13 | niaht | Supaplex: Wouldn't you want mcaffe or norton for that? |
| 08:17.28 | LockSmith | kk thanks |
| 08:17.55 | powder | you could cross breed mcaffe and norton into nortaffe |
| 08:18.12 | niaht | omg.. my linux box is infected with an activex control... what shall I ever do. |
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| 08:19.23 | Supaplex | niaht: start reportting bugs on wine for all these virii^H^Huses that won't run under it :) |
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| 08:20.19 | Obligatory | Lo'. Anybody noticed whether the BTS autoreply is working today? |
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| 08:20.41 | niaht | lol.. right.. :) for file in $(locate -name "wine"); do rm -f $(dirname $file); done |
| 08:20.47 | niaht | lol.. |
| 08:20.59 | niaht | ok.. now I REALLY know it's time for sleep.. night night all |
| 08:21.08 | Mex|Crusher|UGZ | nite |
| 08:21.13 | powder | nite |
| 08:21.20 | Supaplex | niaht: find ~/ -type f -print0 |xargs shred |
| 08:21.36 | Supaplex | niaht: find ~/ -type f -print0 |xargs -0 shred |
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| 08:21.40 | niaht | ohhhh.. you *are* and evil bofh :) |
| 08:21.46 | niaht | s/and/an |
| 08:21.56 | Supaplex | C-: |
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| 08:22.10 | powder | rm -fr to remove france :D |
| 08:22.33 | jugglinx | XD |
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| 08:23.11 | Supaplex | while : do tail /dev/urandom & done & wait |
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| 08:23.52 | Obligatory | Any BTS users awake? |
| 08:24.07 | Supaplex | apparently no |
| 08:24.10 | SlayerXP | oberon: that's an unusual survey question. |
| 08:24.21 | SlayerXP | but I'd imagined thousands of people who use BTS are awake. |
| 08:24.26 | SlayerXP | imagine |
| 08:24.45 | Kinks | it would appear you got the wrong name too. |
| 08:24.53 | SlayerXP | yes, I suck |
| 08:24.58 | bird | please help me!! |
| 08:25.00 | Obligatory | Awake & present... |
| 08:25.07 | bird | Couldn't find ext2 superblock, trying backup blocks... |
| 08:25.13 | Supaplex | !help bird |
| 08:25.31 | Supaplex | I keep expecting dpkg to administer cpr or something |
| 08:26.41 | Kinks | hm, I should really get some crappy box to put debian on instead of doubling one computer as my mom's windows desktop and my playtoy. |
| 08:26.47 | Kinks | it gets a tad irritating. |
| 08:27.27 | Kinks | at least she reboots it into debian when she's done on it now.. |
| 08:27.31 | sep | Kinks, crappy comps as playtoyes are usualy not hard to find |
| 08:27.42 | Mex|Crusher|UGZ | They are pretty cheap |
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| 08:27.46 | Kinks | yeah I'm just lazy / poor. (yes, that poor) |
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| 08:28.07 | Mex|Crusher|UGZ | you can just go to friends house and ask for the old computers they do not use.. they usually give the pieces for free |
| 08:28.09 | bird | Supaplex:what can i do for my computer? |
| 08:28.18 | Mex|Crusher|UGZ | I got a (new) 40 GB HDD free |
| 08:29.01 | Kinks | I suppose another solution is forcing my computer illiterate mother to use debian.. kekekeke. |
| 08:29.05 | sep | i have so much junk laying around i made 3-4 usable computers out of it :P |
| 08:29.22 | Mex|Crusher|UGZ | hahaha well you should get her as far from windows as possible ;) |
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| 08:29.40 | Mex|Crusher|UGZ | sep, yeah, the only problem after that is the huge electrical bill |
| 08:29.52 | Supaplex | bird: is it ext2 or ext3? |
| 08:30.21 | bird | i used "fsck.ext3 /dev/hdc10",but it say " The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2 |
| 08:30.21 | bird | filesystem. " |
| 08:30.26 | sep | Mex|Crusher|UGZ, hope you woudnt mention that :( |
| 08:30.51 | jm_ | bird: ext2/3 have spare superblocks that you can use if the main one is missing |
| 08:31.16 | Mex|Crusher|UGZ | sep, =( i know, I payed about 50 dollars extra because of my computer.. it stayed up the whole month |
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| 08:31.27 | Mex|Crusher|UGZ | imagine with 4 or 3 computers more.. |
| 08:31.27 | Mex|Crusher|UGZ | gheez |
| 08:32.00 | bird | the next step i can do? |
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| 08:32.04 | Supaplex | bird: there's a simulate option (read the man page VERY CAREFULLY). if you reformat it with that flag, it'll most likely provide you with the estimated backup superblocks. -- at anyrate it may be lost anyway, caveat emptor and I wish you the best. |
| 08:32.24 | Obligatory | Calling BTS wizards or casual users, n' bug reporters... |
| 08:32.39 | kreg_work | trying to get fbset to set it for each tty1 tty2 tty3 etc. anyone know how? |
| 08:32.39 | Mex|Crusher|UGZ | O.o |
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| 08:33.06 | SimonRaven | Obligatory: just ask the question already |
| 08:33.06 | kreg_work | fbset -a 1024x768-60 only seems to affect the tty i'm on when issuing the command |
| 08:33.35 | Obligatory | Is the BTS autoreply is working today? |
| 08:34.05 | NoboruSan | the debian 3.1 installer changes alot from the previous' |
| 08:34.07 | NoboruSan | hmm |
| 08:34.17 | Obligatory | Ahem: Is the BTS autoreply working today? |
| 08:34.28 | Obligatory | (-2nd "is") |
| 08:34.28 | Phleagor | hi...i will get a new pc in a week and i'm still not sure what kind of debian i should install |
| 08:34.31 | Phleagor | testing or stable |
| 08:34.32 | Phleagor | ? |
| 08:34.35 | NoboruSan | or its because this netinstall.iso im using |
| 08:34.36 | buu | Phleagor: Flip a coin. |
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| 08:34.54 | NoboruSan | i used to use cd1.iso to install just a minimal system |
| 08:34.55 | tralala | Phleagor: if you have to ask then stable |
| 08:35.03 | Supaplex | lol buu |
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| 08:35.09 | Phleagor | but isn't it too old? |
| 08:35.17 | nayyares | my machine board has sinlge IDE and i have to plug HDD + CDROM so i have used single data cable for both, now CDROM is detected as /dev/hdb and in fstab "/dev/hdb /media/cdrecorder auto pamconsole,exec,noauto,managed 0 0" but when i want to mount cdrom it gives me error that /dev/hdb is already "mounted/device busy" but nothing mounted :( |
| 08:35.21 | Kinks | 'too old' for..? |
| 08:35.36 | tralala | Phleagor: no, it's just fine |
| 08:35.38 | Supaplex | Phleagor: pop quiz, do you know how to reconfigure an installed package? if not, testing isn't for you. |
| 08:35.44 | Phleagor | ok, i take the stable release :) |
| 08:36.42 | Mex|Crusher|UGZ | you made me wonder :roll: |
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| 08:36.46 | bird | jm_ How would I know having the spare superblock |
| 08:37.19 | jm_ | bird: dumpe2fs lists them, but it won't help you that much, however man page lists standard locations |
| 08:37.23 | Obligatory | 'autoreply' defined, if need be. Usually if you post on the BTS, e.g. report a bug, the BTS send an automated form letter back. |
| 08:37.46 | Supaplex | we like need a all around test to prove what branch they should use or something. "Pass this test.. and ..." |
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| 08:37.46 | Ashex | Does Debian come with fluxbox? |
| 08:37.49 | Supaplex | Ashex: well sure. /msg dpkg search (that's literal, don't add to it) |
| 08:37.58 | gnu_style | apt-get fluxbox |
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| 08:38.06 | gnu_style | apt-get install fluxbox |
| 08:38.27 | Ashex | I know I can apt it |
| 08:38.31 | Ashex | but is it installed by default |
| 08:38.38 | Kinks | no |
| 08:38.40 | Obligatory | Apparently the BTS hasn't been doing this tonight. |
| 08:38.40 | dondelelcaro | Ashex: almost nothing is installed by default |
| 08:38.47 | Ashex | Gotcha |
| 08:38.54 | Ashex | As long as it has apt-get, I'm happy |
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| 08:39.02 | bird | Supaplex:i use "e2fsck -b 8193 /dev/hdc10",but it's not working |
| 08:39.09 | dondelelcaro | Obligatory: it sends back acks generally within 30 minutes... when did you send your message? |
| 08:39.13 | Ashex | I installed fedora earlier today and it didn't have apt or ifconfig :S |
| 08:39.26 | Phleagor | fedora sucks |
| 08:39.33 | Phleagor | nothing works after installation |
| 08:39.34 | Ashex | plus I couldn't get it to dhcp connect, so I was a sitting duck |
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| 08:40.15 | Ashex | I tried Redhat9, and it doesn't have apt or dpkg, plus it lacks half the libraries I need to compile apt |
| 08:40.20 | Obligatory | <dondelelcaro>: several messages. One around 7PM yesterday, (it's 3:41AM now), and my message is ON the BTS, but no ack messages... |
| 08:40.23 | Ashex | so I'm coming back to debian :P |
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| 08:40.41 | karsten | Ashex: Gentoo is ... |
| 08:40.48 | karsten | Ashex: ... one step on the long road ... |
| 08:40.53 | Ashex | was on my 300mhz tower, I have a 1.6ghz laptop, I'm going to stick it on it now |
| 08:40.54 | karsten | Ashex: ... from Debian to Debian. |
| 08:40.57 | Phleagor | i'm using mdk10.1official at the moment |
| 08:40.58 | dondelelcaro | Obligatory: oh, then your MTA must have eaten them, because they've been being sent out all day. |
| 08:41.05 | bird | jm_: I got this !!!! Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/hdc10.Couldn't find valid filesystem superblock. |
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| 08:41.24 | Ashex | karsten: I tried installing gentoo, took it about 16 hours and it failed |
| 08:41.29 | bucky | Ashex: get the netinstall iso so you get all that network stuff sorted out first during the install |
| 08:41.30 | karsten | Ashex: ;-) |
| 08:41.46 | Ashex | Yeah, I have 4 netinstall disks |
| 08:41.53 | Ashex | don't ask why, I don't know :P |
| 08:41.55 | jm_ | bird: use a backup superblock to fsck it |
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| 08:42.15 | Obligatory | <dondelelcaro> : Nah, it's a pop server, and I always check the headers before DL'ing. I'm getting mail too, even maintainer mail, just no BTS acks. |
| 08:42.32 | bird | jm_ how can I do that? |
| 08:42.37 | dondelelcaro | Obligatory: right, well, they've been being sent out, since I've got a couple. Which bug? |
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| 08:43.20 | bird | jm_: how can I do that? |
| 08:43.27 | k31th | Hi, If you install ssh on debian by default when you reboot will it start the service? |
| 08:43.35 | jm_ | bird: man e2fsc |
| 08:43.38 | Obligatory | Various. Have to look some up, 1 sec... |
| 08:43.42 | deadcat | k31th: yes |
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| 08:44.05 | tae | can i ask a question |
| 08:44.10 | bird | jm_: Thanks |
| 08:44.14 | dondelelcaro | tae: just ask |
| 08:44.16 | tae | umm |
| 08:44.34 | tae | when i install debian..., and im at th elogin prompt |
| 08:44.39 | tae | what else do i have to do_ |
| 08:44.48 | tae | to finish the installation |
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| 08:45.03 | deadcat | !tell tae about enter |
| 08:45.09 | Phleagor | installation is ready then |
| 08:45.11 | deadcat | tae: what you want it to do? |
| 08:45.14 | dondelelcaro | tae: if you're at the login, you're done. |
| 08:45.15 | tae | umm |
| 08:45.17 | tae | show a desktop |
| 08:45.21 | tae | its just a black screen |
| 08:45.24 | tae | and i just login |
| 08:45.25 | Phleagor | login and type "startx" |
| 08:45.32 | deadcat | tae: login is NOT black screen |
| 08:45.39 | tae | yes |
| 08:45.40 | tae | ut is |
| 08:45.42 | dondelelcaro | tae: then login, and run aptitude, and have it install the desktop task or similar. |
| 08:45.49 | Phleagor | if there appears an error message you probably have no X installed |
| 08:45.51 | tae | run aptitude_ how_ |
| 08:45.56 | esozla | what do i need to run 'make xconfig'? which qt package exactly? |
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| 08:46.06 | deadcat | tae: type aptitude. thats how |
| 08:46.06 | tae | so when i login at the black screen type startx_ |
| 08:46.14 | tae | startx or aptitude first_ |
| 08:46.34 | dondelelcaro | tae: enter your username and password; run su; enter the root password, run aptitude; install the desktop task. |
| 08:46.46 | deadcat | tae: type "tasksel" and select desktop |
| 08:47.01 | tae | can i gavce that inn order |
| 08:47.03 | tae | so its.. |
| 08:47.06 | Phleagor | why do you make all these underlines? |
| 08:47.13 | esozla | dondelelcaro, deadcat, the guy got a blank screen! |
| 08:47.16 | tae | startx..aptitude.. then tasksel_ |
| 08:47.26 | dondelelcaro | esozla: ? |
| 08:47.26 | deadcat | esozla: blank screen to him is the login screen |
| 08:47.41 | esozla | i see. |
| 08:47.41 | Phleagor | :) |
| 08:47.41 | tae | what order guys |
| 08:47.52 | gnu_style | wat server applications are available to debian? |
| 08:47.52 | sumo-wrestler-0r | Can you select tasks within aptitude? |
| 08:47.54 | deadcat | tae: dont matter. just try |
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| 08:48.00 | tae | alright |
| 08:48.01 | deadcat | gnu_style: whatever you want |
| 08:48.07 | esozla | any answer for my xconfig problem? |
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| 08:48.28 | tae | last thingÆ after i install, i can install windows xp on another partion still rightm so i can switch back and forth |
| 08:48.28 | gnu_style | for mySQL? |
| 08:48.33 | dondelelcaro | esozla: most likely it's libqt3-mt-dev |
| 08:48.36 | deadcat | esozla: libqt blah? apt-cache search |
| 08:48.55 | tralala | gnu_style: aptitude search ~dmysql |
| 08:49.06 | esozla | dondelelcaro, have got that -dev but no help. |
| 08:49.19 | dondelelcaro | esozla: what is the precise error it is giving you? |
| 08:49.20 | Obligatory | dondelelcaro: Yeah, you seem to be correct, as on the BTS web page even my acks are posted. Hold again, want to check something else... |
| 08:49.25 | esozla | deadcat, that would give a load of rubbish. |
| 08:49.26 | deadcat | i bet that guy was a troll |
| 08:49.27 | gnu_style | wat ~? |
| 08:49.34 | deadcat | esozla: ya... |
| 08:49.36 | gnu_style | wat do you mean by ~? |
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| 08:49.58 | dondelelcaro | gnu_style: it's a prefix to an aptitude search operator. |
| 08:50.03 | dondelelcaro | gnu_style: check out the aptitude manual. |
| 08:50.14 | NoboruSan | i sucessfully installed debian on vmware |
| 08:50.15 | Ashex | hmm |
| 08:50.21 | NoboruSan | but i cannot network,cant ping |
| 08:50.24 | Ashex | I booted off the net install disc |
| 08:50.28 | Ashex | and DHCP isn't working |
| 08:50.30 | Ashex | any ideas? |
| 08:50.34 | NoboruSan | in vmware i select use bridged mode |
| 08:50.41 | NoboruSan | any idea ? |
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| 08:51.02 | NoboruSan | i am running vmware on windowsxp |
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| 08:51.06 | Phleagor | does "ping 127.0.0.1" work? |
| 08:51.07 | dondelelcaro | NoboruSan: load the proper module/driver for the vmware hardware emulation, and bring it up using ifconfig or similar. |
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| 08:51.18 | tralala | Ashex: you are missing a dhcp server? |
| 08:51.23 | NoboruSan | dondelelcaro, ifconfig -a does work fine |
| 08:51.27 | dondelelcaro | Ashex: did the interface come up? do you have link lights? |
| 08:51.34 | stb- | I just tried the netinstaller (it's been a while) and it doesn't seem to have via-velocity drivers.. Do I have to get AMD64 because i don't really want to run 32bit chroot |
| 08:51.34 | NoboruSan | dondelelcaro, it detects eth0 and lo no problem |
| 08:51.38 | Ashex | tralala: My router is configured for dhcp |
| 08:51.52 | dondelelcaro | NoboruSan: then edit /etc/network/interfaces appropraitely for your bridged setup. |
| 08:51.54 | Ashex | dondelelcaro: my router indicates that my laptop is connected by the lit light |
| 08:52.05 | NoboruSan | dondelelcaro, pls wait |
| 08:52.19 | Ashex | I'm running off the install cd getting ready to install |
| 08:52.22 | dondelelcaro | Ashex: ok, can you ping your router if you give yourself a static address? Do you see the interface in ifconfig? [drop to the console] |
| 08:53.23 | Ashex | I can see the interface when I do ifconfig -a but not just with ifconfig |
| 08:53.46 | Ashex | dondelelcaro: and I don't want to try static, the past 2 times I tried it I killed my router |
| 08:54.07 | Phleagor | btw...where is the difference beetween woody and stable? |
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| 08:54.19 | NoboruSan | dondelelcaro, im not sure what do i do there |
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| 08:54.21 | stb- | Phleagor: definately |
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| 08:55.30 | Obligatory | dondelelcaro: back again. I just compared the header of BTS acks from a few days ago that did get here to some online ones that didn't, no obvious difference though. Hmm. |
| 08:55.37 | rAz_ | someone knows a good mp3 converter ? |
| 08:55.37 | Ashex | when I try 'ifconfig eth0 up' it reports 'SIOCSIFFLAGS: Device or resource busy' |
| 08:55.45 | rAz_ | ez 2 use |
| 08:55.59 | dimir | rAz_: mp3c |
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| 08:56.09 | rAz_ | thx dimir |
| 08:56.11 | dimir | np |
| 08:56.17 | LtL | Ashex - try /sbin/ifup eth0 |
| 08:56.48 | stb- | does the full stable install CD include via-velocity.o? |
| 08:57.03 | VulpesFoxnik | Someone's Boot getting stuck at the isp dhcp again? |
| 08:57.13 | LtL | Ashex - then ifconfig |
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| 08:57.31 | Ashex | LtL: it reports '/sbin/ifup: not found' |
| 08:57.37 | NoboruSan | hmm |
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| 08:58.04 | LtL | Ashex - type 'whereis ifup' no quotes |
| 08:58.31 | Ashex | I don't have the whereis module, I'm running off the net install disc |
| 08:59.07 | NoboruSan | i specified debian virtual machine 192.168.1.3 |
| 08:59.07 | dondelelcaro | Ashex: that tells us that you don't have the right driver loaded for eth0... |
| 08:59.14 | dondelelcaro | Obligatory: which bug number? |
| 08:59.16 | NoboruSan | my windows machine is 192.168.1.2 |
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| 08:59.37 | NoboruSan | but i cannot ping in debian,says network unreachable |
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| 09:00.05 | NoboruSan | i just changed bridged mode to nat mode in vmware,same |
| 09:00.07 | dondelelcaro | NoboruSan: then presumably you set the virtual machine's address to 192.168.1.3, bring it up, and set the gateway appropriately; man 5 interfaces; has the information on how to dothis |
| 09:00.10 | LtL | Ashex - is the install complete? |
| 09:00.12 | Ashex | dondelelcaro: what would you suggest I do then? |
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| 09:01.05 | NoboruSan | dondelelcaro, its already 192.168.1.3 |
| 09:01.08 | stb- | will i386-binary1.iso suffice for basic packages? |
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| 09:01.21 | dondelelcaro | stb-: yes, but you can download everything from the net... |
| 09:01.32 | dondelelcaro | Ashex: what ethernet ard is this? have you loaded the proper driver using modprobe? [which installer are you using? |
| 09:01.38 | stb- | dondelelcaro: i tried netinstall iso but modprobe doesn't work |
| 09:01.54 | NoboruSan | dondelelcaro, gateway ? |
| 09:02.13 | NoboruSan | my windows doesnt use a gateway |
| 09:02.18 | Ashex | dondelelcaro: It's a realtek card, that's all I can think of off the top of my head. I'm not sure how to load the drive with modprobe either :S |
| 09:02.34 | stb- | rtl8139too? |
| 09:03.01 | NoboruSan | debian virtual machine 192.168.1.3 -->windows 192.168.1.2 --->adsl modem192.168.2.1-->dsl line |
| 09:03.06 | NoboruSan | phone line* oops |
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| 09:04.21 | LtL | Ashex - try typing 'lspci' in your terminal screen. [if you are in one] |
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| 09:04.40 | stb- | I really dont want to download a whole cd\dvd image but it's looking like I'll have to |
| 09:04.46 | Ashex | 'lspci: not found' |
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| 09:05.07 | Obligatory | dondelelcaro: It's a lame answer but "various". (Now how can I stay anonymous and give BTS #s?) No disrespect meant though. Anyway, even if you can't work without a bug #, I'm grateful for the info so far. Resolved that the BTS acks work for you, and my acks show up online, those are good leads and more than I came here with. Tanx. |
| 09:05.37 | LtL | Ashex - try /usr/bin/lspci or /bin/lspci |
| 09:05.47 | dondelelcaro | *shrug*; no real point in anonymity.. |
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| 09:06.12 | dondelelcaro | NoboruSan: uh... you've got to have a gateway if you're talking to me know... |
| 09:06.13 | Ashex | LtL: same result :/ |
| 09:06.14 | dondelelcaro | s/know/now/ |
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| 09:06.30 | LtL | Ashex - how did you do the install? |
| 09:06.50 | NoboruSan | dondelelcaro, i tried add gateway 192.168.2.1 during debian install but it said bad gatway is not connectable |
| 09:06.55 | Ashex | LtL: I haven't done the install yet, I booted off the net install disk to ensure that Debian would have net access. |
| 09:06.58 | liable | hrm busybox has lspci dont it? |
| 09:06.59 | Obligatory | dondelelcaro: you're probably right. It's that sliver of improbability that lingers. :') |
| 09:07.23 | dondelelcaro | NoboruSan: uh... that can't be your gateway unless you've got a netmask of 255.255.252.0 |
| 09:07.35 | stb- | was the via-velocity driver named something else in previous kernels? I've tried via-rhine |
| 09:07.41 | NoboruSan | i have a netmask of that in interfaces |
| 09:08.22 | LtL | Ashex - well, it will configure DHCP most likely, so continue and install 'desktop' etc to your needs. |
| 09:08.34 | stb- | or would the testing netinstaller cd have it? |
| 09:08.39 | dondelelcaro | well, then set the gateway appropriately if you've set the netmask appropriately. |
| 09:08.39 | Sonny | does somedody use qemu here? is there a GUI for qemu? |
| 09:08.54 | Ashex | LtL: It's already tried to conigure DHCP and failed, I tried giving it a hostname and it still failed |
| 09:09.01 | dondelelcaro | stb-: it's possible; did you try install26? |
| 09:09.07 | Obligatory | Sonny: I've used qemu to run Puppy Linux... |
| 09:09.14 | stb- | dondelelcaro: oooh no i didn't |
| 09:09.20 | LtL | Ashex - start over. |
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| 09:09.28 | dondelelcaro | Ashex: likewise, did you try install26? |
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| 09:09.45 | stb- | should i use expert26 or install26? |
| 09:09.57 | liable | install26? |
| 09:10.04 | stb- | brb |
| 09:10.09 | dondelelcaro | err... linux26 or whatever it is |
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| 09:10.25 | dondelelcaro | I've done too many installs, so I've no clue what it's called anymore |
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| 09:10.49 | Ashex | I'm not sure what you mean by install26.. |
| 09:10.51 | Sonny | thanks |
| 09:10.55 | Sonny | bye Folks |
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| 09:11.06 | dondelelcaro | Ashex: are you using the 2.6 kernel or the 2.4 kernel to install sarge? |
| 09:11.30 | liable | Ashex: it boots the disk and installs with a 2.6 kernel. type linux26 at the boot prompt |
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| 09:12.02 | Ashex | ah, I'm trying it right now...... |
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| 09:12.55 | Ashex | okay, sweet |
| 09:13.01 | Ashex | DHCP worked |
| 09:13.09 | LtL | whee |
| 09:13.19 | Ashex | Woo! thanks guys! |
| 09:13.26 | LtL | wtg liable is liable |
| 09:13.39 | mo1991 | using i82365 driver from pcmcia_cs package on my custom 2.4.20 kernel - while loading i get a have irq 5, want irq 11 error message - this causes the kernel to crash even if the pcmcia card is not plugged in. This seemed to work previously before I update my bios today. There are no bios PNP or IRQ options available |
| 09:13.53 | NoboruSan | dondelelcaro, please tell me what is the correct format to add gateway in interfaces ? |
| 09:14.23 | liable | mo1991: downgrade your bios then would be the obvious answer. |
| 09:14.46 | Nameeater | I am trying to install debian on my server that has 2 disks on one PCI controller, and 1 on another, I can format and partition all said drives, but when I try to do base install it completely dies with something alng the lines of no block device, the root hdd is hdj, what am I doing wrong? :/ |
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| 09:16.13 | LtL | If someone told me how to not have to run alsaconf, every boot ot login, I'd be forever indebted. |
| 09:16.27 | dondelelcaro | NoboruSan: it's just gateway 192.168.2.1 |
| 09:16.37 | dondelelcaro | NoboruSan: man 5 interfaces; has an example. |
| 09:16.44 | dondelelcaro | LtL: you shouldn't need to run alsaconf ever. |
| 09:16.46 | NoboruSan | ok :) |
| 09:16.52 | dondelelcaro | LtL: just use modconf to load the proper modules. |
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| 09:18.14 | LtL | dondelelcaro : I'll try it. Again. thanks : |
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| 09:19.04 | `ns` | LtL, just leave the computer running, then you'll only have to run it once ;) |
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| 09:19.48 | LtL | `ns` - that's what i'm thinking too :) |
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| 09:22.06 | Greek-Boy | what is the command to see if I am running on 32-bit or 64-bit? |
| 09:22.55 | Phleagor | uname -m |
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| 09:23.07 | LtL | Nameeater - you set a primary boot partition [bootable] right. |
| 09:23.13 | jeanbaptiste | Hello |
| 09:23.22 | pc_tony | hello |
| 09:23.38 | Nameeater | yes |
| 09:23.59 | Greek-Boy | Phleagor thanks |
| 09:24.22 | jeanbaptiste | I have got a problem with debian and kernel-2.6.8-686-smp which takes 20 min to boot... with no smp kernel is very fast... any idea ? |
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| 09:24.39 | Greek-Boy | Phleagor, it says i686. what would it say if it was 64-bit? |
| 09:24.55 | Phleagor | ia64 or something i guess |
| 09:25.04 | Phleagor | i have an i686 system, too |
| 09:25.10 | Obligatory | jeanbaptiste: are both CPUs known to be good? |
| 09:25.29 | Phleagor | or x86_64 |
| 09:25.39 | Phleagor | in 2 weeks i can tell you :) |
| 09:25.45 | jeanbaptiste | Obligatory, i think because it works fine on redhat 9 before |
| 09:25.52 | Greek-Boy | is debian stable on ia64? |
| 09:26.07 | Phleagor | i downloaded the ia64 stable version, now i just have to wait for the new computer |
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| 09:26.10 | LtL | Nameeater - I would try reboot off cd, and manually modify or edit the partition tables |
| 09:26.26 | mo1991 | liable - I cannot seem to get the old bios version - not on hp's site and the lame windows flasher didn't back up right |
| 09:26.38 | Obligatory | jeanbaptiste: hmm, how long before? Also, after Debian boots, do all CPUs work correctly? |
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| 09:26.52 | mo1991 | plus the new bios is supposed to fix the overheating problem I'm having with the lappy |
| 09:27.02 | Greek-Boy | nice |
| 09:27.18 | mo1991 | I'd like to see how to fix this irq problem with the pcmcia device |
| 09:27.20 | Nameeater | I can manually edit the HDDs fine, but as soon as I go onto the base-install part it chokes saying there is no block device |
| 09:27.20 | jeanbaptiste | Obligatory, two days before, after debian boots the system is quiet slow very slow... |
| 09:27.24 | liable | mo1991: blacklist the module? |
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| 09:27.55 | Obligatory | jeanbaptiste: you're saying after it boots it's slow, and never returns to normal speed? |
| 09:28.13 | mo1991 | liable - I need the i92365 module for pcmcia devices which I need - it seems to be asigning to irq 5 instead of 11 - is there no way to change this? |
| 09:28.21 | mo1991 | I've scoured the web |
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| 09:28.23 | jeanbaptiste | Obligatory, no never the system is not usable at all |
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| 09:28.41 | mo1991 | can't really seem to change this for the i82365 module |
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| 09:29.14 | Nameeater | some one suggested that it could be that the debian-installer does not install to hd's past hdh (the disk is hdj) |
| 09:29.21 | LtL | Nameeater - destroy the partition, and just do the master hdd primary |
| 09:29.21 | jeanbaptiste | Obligatory, i tried o lot of things, irqbalance, noapic... but nothing... it is so strange |
| 09:29.24 | ArtVandalae | Hi I want to download a large file over several days. I'm thinking wget is the right tool. I want to download as much in 8 hours, then kill it. Would killing it be okay? And will it autocontinue when I start it wget again or is there a special way to kill wget? |
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| 09:29.25 | Obligatory | jeanbaptiste: ohh. Well, is Red Hat still available on the system? I'd compare kernel versions. |
| 09:29.45 | dondelelcaro | Nameeater: it's possible if that device doesn't exist that it wouldn't install to it... |
| 09:30.07 | dondelelcaro | ArtVandalae: you need to use --continue |
| 09:30.12 | dondelelcaro | ArtVandalae: man wget for details |
| 09:30.19 | jeanbaptiste | Obligatory, redhat is now on the system with linux 2.4.20-8smp |
| 09:30.26 | Nameeater | the partitioner says that it exists and also happily lets me format and partition it |
| 09:30.45 | Obligatory | jeanbaptiste: And the (bad) debian SMP version is? |
| 09:31.13 | jeanbaptiste | Obligatory, it is kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp |
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| 09:31.36 | LtL | Nameeater - does the system bios have boot priorities set i.e. hdd's |
| 09:31.42 | jeanbaptiste | Obligatory, i tried to compile my own kernel but nothing else |
| 09:31.44 | LtL | weird |
| 09:31.51 | Nameeater | I am not sure |
| 09:31.55 | jm_ | ArtVandalae: it also depends on the server, it must support resuming, but they usually do - better verify first though |
| 09:31.59 | liable | mo1991: blacklist it from discover/hotplug, and play with it later with module parameters |
| 09:32.02 | Nameeater | does that have much to do with the installer? |
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| 09:32.32 | jeanbaptiste | Obligatory, i tried also with 2.4 kernel... slow too |
| 09:32.49 | Nameeater | I might go give ubuntu a go and soo if that works |
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| 09:33.24 | LtL | Nameeater - i think the installer is just confused |
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| 09:34.27 | Obligatory | jeanbaptiste: just looking at my package list. The latest prefab smp kernel I see is 2.4.20; funny, you'd think there'd be newer ones. |
| 09:34.31 | mo1991 | IRQ routing conflict for 00:0a.0, have irq 5, want irq 11 |
| 09:34.39 | mo1991 | liable above |
| 09:34.47 | liable | mo1991: above |
| 09:34.51 | mo1991 | so your saying to blacklist it |
| 09:35.01 | mo1991 | and then set the irq, etc with /etc/modules |
| 09:35.22 | LtL | Nameeater - fyi- the installer has told me many times not to do stuff, but i convince it otherwise. it's buggy imho. |
| 09:35.22 | mo1991 | or modprobe with parameters that work? |
| 09:35.44 | Nameeater | has it ever sied by doing thing that it never actually does? |
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| 09:35.51 | jeanbaptiste | Obligatory, where i can see your package list ? |
| 09:35.53 | Nameeater | lied* |
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| 09:36.14 | cijokgeorge | Can Anyone help me pls |
| 09:36.19 | LtL | Nameeater - affirmative |
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| 09:36.25 | liable | mo1991: either i guess |
| 09:36.26 | _mike | can I just download the first disc for debian, and net install anything that's not on it? |
| 09:36.48 | jeanbaptiste | Obligatory, sorry for my last response... |
| 09:36.49 | liable | mo1991: i would blacklist it first, at least then you can/should be able to boot |
| 09:36.52 | LtL | Nameeater - my full net-install took an hour, w/updates |
| 09:36.56 | cijokgeorge | Can anyone help me to reinstall grub? |
| 09:37.11 | mo1991 | liable - even removing the hotplug program doesn't stop it from loading |
| 09:37.50 | liable | !blacklist |
| 09:37.50 | dpkg | i heard blacklist is Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 09:37.53 | liable | mo1991: ^^ |
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| 09:38.21 | Obligatory | jeanbaptiste: I'd done a 'dglob -a smp' and skimmed that. It turns out I'm wrong though, the package you probably want is 'linux-image-2.6-686-smp', which depends on 'linux-image-2.6-686-smp' which depends on 'linux-image-2.6.15-1-686-smp', so that puts the latest prefab one at 2.6.15... |
| 09:38.25 | _mike | cijokgeorge: man grub-install |
| 09:38.35 | _mike | !discs |
| 09:38.40 | _mike | !install |
| 09:38.40 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
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| 09:38.53 | _mike | !d-i |
| 09:38.53 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. |
| 09:39.01 | djp | hi. i have apache setup on my desktop machine and wanted to place all my web sites within the /var/www folder. however if i try and edit a page and then save it back to /var/www, i am unable to due to permissions. what is the correct way of resolving this problem? |
| 09:39.17 | _mike | !snort |
| 09:39.17 | dpkg | snort is, like, at http://www.snort.org, or *SNORT!* |
| 09:39.19 | liable | _mike: you can /msg the bot |
| 09:39.22 | tarzeau | how can i write this utf8 character in a manual page Å¡ ? |
| 09:39.28 | _mike | !aide |
| 09:39.28 | dpkg | i guess aide is a free (GPL'ed) replacement for almost-free (free for non-commercial use) tripwire http://www.cs.tut.fi/~rammer/aide.html, or a File System integrity checker for "Intrusion Detection" using cryptographic checksums such as MD5 and Blowfish. Lamer's terms: It tells you if you've been h4X0r3d, cr4X0r3d, r00t3d, and 100t3d and 0wn3d. |
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| 09:39.53 | jeanbaptiste | Obligatory, ok but on another same machine it works fine, computing is so mysterious |
| 09:40.08 | Obligatory | jeanbaptiste: so I'd guess you'd start with a single CPU kernel, (assuming that's good), then install 'linux-image-2.6-686-smp', and see how that goes? |
| 09:40.09 | _mike | !money baby |
| 09:40.15 | liable | _mike: stop it! |
| 09:40.44 | liable | djp: add yourself to www-data |
| 09:40.45 | Obligatory | jeanbaptiste: do the two machines have identical hardware? |
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| 09:41.04 | jeanbaptiste | Obligatory, i tried this... with the single kernel it is ok, but when i upgrade is not fine it is slow |
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| 09:41.36 | Obligatory | jeanbaptiste: sure but you'd said your kernel was 2.6.8, right? Whereas the latest is 2.6.15... |
| 09:42.01 | jeanbaptiste | Obligatory, unfortunatelly i do not know exactly the tow configurations |
| 09:42.03 | Obligatory | jeanbaptiste: I'm assumihg "newer is better" which isn't always true. |
| 09:42.11 | djp | liable, i have done that. however i still can't save to /var/www/djp for example. should i copy the /djp folder across to /var/www after adding myself to www-data? |
| 09:42.23 | Fox | hi |
| 09:42.25 | liable | djp: you need to log out |
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| 09:42.37 | jeanbaptiste | Obligatory, the kernel was last debian kernel |
| 09:42.38 | cijokgeorge | Sir anybody help me to create boot floppy in debian |
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| 09:42.51 | djp | liable, ah, stupid! thanks liable... i'm a prat! |
| 09:43.05 | jeanbaptiste | Obligatory, i tried all kernels in package list |
| 09:43.05 | liable | cijokgeorge: download the image, and dd it. theres info in the install guide |
| 09:43.32 | Obligatory | jeanbaptiste: 'stable', 'unstable', or what? |
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| 09:44.39 | Delicates | A non-technical, rather esthetic question: can someone suggest how to partition/format a 500GB non-system HD used only for storage? |
| 09:44.48 | Obligatory | jeanbaptiste: is your Debian distro version 'stable', 'unstable', or what? |
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| 09:45.02 | jeanbaptiste | Obligatory, it is stable |
| 09:45.03 | jmd_ | How can I capture an OpenGL window into a ogg/theora or MNG file ? |
| 09:45.31 | Obligatory | Delicates: use 'qtparted', format with 'ext3'. |
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| 09:45.39 | liable | an image into an ogg?? |
| 09:46.02 | jmd_ | liable, No, an video sequence into an ogg |
| 09:46.17 | Delicates | Obligatory: But then if I ever want to pull it out and stick it into a Winblows box, I won't be able to access data on it |
| 09:46.27 | Obligatory | jeanbaptiste: I guess I'd go for 'unstable' as stuff is newer, (assuming newer is better, which is often true)... |
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| 09:46.49 | liable | err, unless i am horribly mistaken, an ogg is a sound codec?? |
| 09:46.56 | Obligatory | Delicates: OK, use 'qtparted' to format it as 'vfat'. |
| 09:47.05 | jeanbaptiste | Obligatory, i agree but it is a production server to my university |
| 09:47.06 | jmd_ | liable, You are horribly mistaken. |
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| 09:47.21 | giacus | hello |
| 09:47.23 | Delicates | Obligatory: but that would be funny |
| 09:47.35 | jeanbaptiste | Obligatory, stable is better for stability |
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| 09:47.38 | liable | jmd_: gimme a link to an ogg video file, i have never seen one. |
| 09:47.58 | giacus | any hope to install Debian in a pentium 100 28 mb ram computer ? |
| 09:47.58 | SlayerXP | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:48.17 | jmd_ | liable, Just a sec. I'll google for one. |
| 09:48.22 | tralala | giacus: sure |
| 09:48.25 | jeanbaptiste | Obligatory, nevertheless i can try to install a testing version... or unstable just for test |
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| 09:48.33 | djp | hmm, liable... i have added myself to www-data, logged out and back in but i still recieve a permission denied message when trying to copy anything to /var/www or edit a file in that directory? |
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| 09:48.40 | liable | giacus: sure. though i dunno if you can use a 2.6 kernel with that memory. |
| 09:48.42 | giacus | tralala: can I use the new installer ? sarge netinstall ? |
| 09:48.46 | Obligatory | Delicates: for Windows readable, 'vfat's where it's at... |
| 09:49.09 | liable | djp: whats the perms on the directory? |
| 09:49.12 | Delicates | Obligatory: what about that NTFS emulation that uses ntfs.sys? |
| 09:49.25 | Obligatory | jeanbaptiste: 1 sec. |
| 09:49.25 | giacus | liable: 2.4 would be ok |
| 09:49.57 | liable | giacus: read the install guide, it tells you hardware requirements |
| 09:50.01 | tralala | giacus: you have to check the installer memory requirements but even if you cannot use it, you can do a debootstrap installation and then just copy it. |
| 09:50.02 | Obligatory | Delicates: NTFS isn't as solid, plus 'vfat' will work on anything Windows... |
| 09:50.15 | giacus | thanks |
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| 09:50.30 | tralala | giacus: checkout lessdisks as well |
| 09:50.43 | giacus | hd is 1 gb |
| 09:51.06 | oskie | is there any SIMPLE ftpd in debian that will do anonymous ftp, chroot, and not depend on /bin/ls etc? |
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| 09:51.14 | jmd_ | liable, http://www.v2v.cc/~j/theora_testsuite/ |
| 09:51.22 | oskie | what happened to the old good 'bsd ftpd'? |
| 09:51.24 | tarzeau | oskie: vsftpd/proftpd? no idea about ls |
| 09:51.32 | tarzeau | oskie: it can't deliver 2gb files? |
| 09:51.53 | djp | liable, root, root (owner, group) 755 |
| 09:51.57 | Obligatory | jeanbaptiste: I use 'unstable' -- it's not so bad. Anyway, if the goal is to try the latest smp kernel, you need unstable. After that's tested, assuming it works, you can go backwards donw to 'testing' or 'stable' or whatnot. The point is to get the smp hardware working, and then finesse it. |
| 09:52.16 | oskie | tarzeau: I guess they haven't heard of AC_SYS_LARGEFILE |
| 09:52.16 | jmd_ | liable, FYI, ogg is a multimedia container format. |
| 09:52.31 | liable | jmd_: i stand corrected.. :) |
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| 09:52.38 | liable | jmd_: like avi i guess?? |
| 09:52.59 | jmd_ | Dunno. I've never had much to do with these things. |
| 09:53.31 | jeanbaptiste | Obligatory, ok thanks so i am going to try unstable now and hope that it will work fine... thank for all (and sorry for my english...) |
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| 09:53.38 | Obligatory | jeanbaptiste: another thing that might be nice is a bootCD, but I'm not sure which bootCDs can do SMP. Anybody out there know any good SMP bootCDs? |
| 09:54.03 | liable | djp: then chown it or copy it back as root. |
| 09:54.05 | Sleeper | is it possible to configure debian an fallback route if for example IP A is not reachable througt routing entry to use another route? |
| 09:54.06 | jeanbaptiste | Obligatory, i tried with gentoo live cd but it was slow too... |
| 09:54.32 | Obligatory | jeanbaptiste: good luck, if it doesn't work, then at least you'll know what doesn't work... / pity about Gentoo! |
| 09:54.45 | liable | djp: although i am sure having the dir writable by apache is prolly a bad idea.. |
| 09:54.48 | tralala | !tell Sleeper -about lartc |
| 09:55.08 | Sleeper | tralala: what is lartc |
| 09:55.17 | tralala | Sleeper: dpkg just told you |
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| 09:55.28 | jeanbaptiste | Obligatory, thank and good day :) |
| 09:55.29 | Mardus | Hi again. |
| 09:55.29 | DuncanF | How do I enable my mounted NTFS partition to be readable by someone other than root? |
| 09:55.45 | Obligatory | jeanbaptiste: You too. |
| 09:55.48 | liable | !vfatrw |
| 09:55.48 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS, if you replace "vfat" with "ntfs" (although you can't currently easily _write_ to NTFS with Linux).. |
| 09:55.53 | liable | djp: ^^ |
| 09:55.57 | Mardus | Question: What the system-wide way to have numlock enabled both in console and in X? |
| 09:56.02 | DuncanF | thanks :) |
| 09:56.07 | Mardus | -- By default and after every restart? |
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| 09:56.19 | Mardus | * What's |
| 09:56.33 | tralala | Mardus: there isn't such (afaik) |
| 09:56.44 | Sleeper | tralala: thx |
| 09:57.03 | Mardus | tralala: I know about numlockx, but this rather pertains to X and not the consoles... |
| 09:57.09 | djp | liable, sorry, so what is the best way for me to do this? apologies liable, i am slightly confused as usual! ( i get my tablets later on tonight though!) |
| 09:57.17 | endri | hi can somebody help with fluxbox |
| 09:57.26 | Phleagor | yes, endri |
| 09:57.30 | Phleagor | i have fluxbox |
| 09:57.54 | tralala | Mardus: even if you take only X, the different environments (think gnome, kde) have their own ways of dealing with numlock. |
| 09:57.55 | endri | i have installed some programs but i dont know how to adjurn menu |
| 09:58.01 | Obligatory | Mardus: numlock 'enabled' in what way? Start with the BIOS, then every time something turns it off during boot or login, you run a script to turn it on after? |
| 09:58.03 | endri | i mean automaticly |
| 09:58.15 | Phleagor | thats not possible |
| 09:58.17 | liable | djp: well, i have set /var/www owner and group to www-data, but theres prolly a security reason not to do this. |
| 09:58.22 | Phleagor | you have to edit the menu-file |
| 09:58.30 | Mardus | tralala: Well, KDE has its own tool to keep it; while there is numlockx for gnome, I think... |
| 09:58.35 | djp | liable, oh i see. |
| 09:58.59 | endri | isnt there a method to do it automaticly |
| 09:59.10 | liable | djp: http://lists.debian.org/debian-apache/2004/09/msg00069.html |
| 09:59.14 | endri | i mean how did he get the list in the beginig |
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| 09:59.35 | Mardus | Obligatory: It's usually enabled in BIOS by default. Alas, I don't know which part in Linux login and where and when turns NumLock off. |
| 09:59.42 | liable | djp: theres a pretty good reason.. |
| 10:00.06 | Obligatory | Mardus: there's a package called 'numlockx' that claims it's good for setting X numlock. |
| 10:00.10 | cs-cam | is there somewhere i can find the build scripts for the debian packages online? |
| 10:00.25 | tralala | Mardus: that's the whole point - there isn't a system wide way, but it's application specific. |
| 10:00.33 | Mardus | Obligatory: I know, read about it just before I came here. |
| 10:00.36 | Mardus | tralala: That sux. |
| 10:00.38 | Phleagor | endri, which distribution? |
| 10:00.44 | endri | debian |
| 10:00.50 | Obligatory | Mardus: have you tried it? |
| 10:00.51 | Phleagor | mandrake has an menue-maker |
| 10:00.53 | Phleagor | oh |
| 10:00.59 | Phleagor | i don't know |
| 10:01.07 | Mardus | Obligatory: No, but I will try it very soon. |
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| 10:01.16 | medusaXX | hi |
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| 10:01.40 | tralala | Mardus: it seems to me that nobody needs it so much to have it implemented. |
| 10:01.45 | Obligatory | Mardus: it's only 10K, I think I'll test it now... |
| 10:02.57 | djp | liable, thanks for that link. so it is probably best to edit my web pages elsewhere (like my /home directory) and then copy them over to /var/www as root, yes? |
| 10:03.05 | liable | yes |
| 10:03.12 | djp | thanks liable |
| 10:03.17 | liable | yw |
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| 10:04.02 | endri | can somebody help with fluxbox to adjurn menu automaticly |
| 10:04.09 | Mardus | tralala, Obligatory: I am very much used to having numlock on from most of my digital life using Windows, because it became very handy, when inputting longer strings of numbers. |
| 10:04.14 | Obligatory | Mardus: Installed 'numlockx'. Yeah it works. |
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| 10:04.44 | Mardus | Obligatory: How did you test it? |
| 10:05.22 | tralala | Mardus: so am I, but I'm not bothered by the lack of a system-wide setting. |
| 10:05.30 | Mardus | Obligatory: Right, so, AFAIK, when a user logs off, his/her NumLock is switched off, too and then after logging in, then normally, numlock is off, until a user would have to turn it on again. |
| 10:05.52 | Obligatory | Mardus: So, what's your window manager? / first you run "apt-get install numlockx" to fetch & install it. Then from the command line type 'numlockx on'. |
| 10:06.09 | Mardus | Obligatory: Right now, I'm in gnome. |
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| 10:06.45 | Mardus | I'm trying to iron out a freshly-installed system for most computer (read: Windows) users. |
| 10:06.53 | Mardus | I'll have a try at it. |
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| 10:08.25 | endri | can somebody help with fluxbox to adjurn menu automaticly |
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| 10:10.36 | Mardus | Great, numlockx works :) |
| 10:11.03 | TeemuM | can someone tell what the heck do i need in my 2.6 kernel to make my usb storage work? works ok in 2.4.7 |
| 10:11.32 | Fox | TeemuM: ehci ? |
| 10:11.43 | TeemuM | let's see |
| 10:11.50 | Obligatory | Mardus: OK, so there's proof of concept. Now the question is how to automate it. Gnome may even have some prefab control panel thingee for that. I'm in xfce4 so I can't test it. |
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| 10:14.58 | pinky | Hello, I have a question about a problem I've encountered when trying to compile the 2.6.16 kernel from sarge's default 2.6.8 kernel |
| 10:14.59 | Mardus | Obligatory: I don't know even if Gnome does have any prefab control panels for this. |
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| 10:16.06 | Obligatory | Mardus: look in settings or control panel under keyboard? |
| 10:16.18 | Mardus | Obligatory: I did already. |
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| 10:17.11 | Mardus | Obligatory: The bad news is that I can't find the numlock thing anyway, because numlockx is about x sessions on their own, and not window managers. |
| 10:17.31 | Mardus | Obligatory: I hope it's sufficiently automated... At least I can try this out, when I restart. |
| 10:17.41 | Obligatory | Mardus: sorry, lacking that it's a question of where does a user put startup scripts in Gnome. Once you find that, you add a line to the script turning on the numock. |
| 10:17.56 | TeemuM | ok, i think it was the UHCI thing. let's see once i get it recompiled... |
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| 10:19.41 | endri | can somebody help with fluxbox to adjurn menu automaticly |
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| 10:20.16 | jm_ | endri: does update-menus help? |
| 10:20.25 | liable | hrm, k3b detects wrong file size.. cdrecord doesnt.. |
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| 10:20.33 | medusaXX | i dont understand the package authentication system at all |
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| 10:20.59 | Mardus | Obligatory: It works. |
| 10:21.02 | medusaXX | how are packages authenticated when fetched via apt and where do i add keys respectivly where do i get trusted keys from ? |
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| 10:21.18 | liable | medusaXX: /msg dpkg apt-secure |
| 10:21.20 | cs-cam | anyone know where i can find the build scripts for packages online? |
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| 10:21.46 | liable | medusaXX: if you have the latest apt, you should have the keys for debian already. |
| 10:22.01 | pinky | I'm having an issue using make-kpkg to compile my 2.6.16 vanilla source from kernel.org, because makeinitrd needs the cramfs patch applied to the source in order to work. |
| 10:22.01 | medusaXX | i constantly get error messages |
| 10:22.01 | Obligatory | Mardus: well... didn't expect that. Maybe the Debian installer does it for ya. Neat. |
| 10:22.07 | pinky | So I believe I can either, 1) keep searching for a proper cramfs patch, 2) attempt to pursuade makeinitrd into using something OTHER than cramfs by editing /etc/makeinitrd/makeinitrd.conf, or 3) disable the use of intird altogether. 3) may be the best option here, as I only need this build to exist on one machine. |
| 10:22.17 | endri | no |
| 10:22.22 | medusaXX | my system has a pretty old installation (potato or so) |
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| 10:22.43 | medusaXX | but updated every day almost |
| 10:22.45 | liable | pinky: why make an initrd if you are compiling?? |
| 10:22.51 | Mardus | Obligatory: I don't know if the Debian installer does it, but numlockx has to be started from an x session. I don't know if it applies to all users or just the one from which account it was activated from. |
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| 10:23.00 | endri | jm_ is there a menu generator |
| 10:23.01 | medusaXX | and some months ago it started outputting these authentication errors |
| 10:23.05 | endri | i dont have it |
| 10:23.15 | medusaXX | i'll read stuff dpkg said, thanks |
| 10:23.19 | jm_ | endri: you need menu package |
| 10:23.21 | pinky | Uhm... well, make-kpkg does it automatically |
| 10:23.29 | pinky | I believe so, at least |
| 10:23.30 | liable | um, no. |
| 10:23.46 | Mardus | Does anyone know of a shortcut to activate the Applications menu in Gnome, so that I wouldn't have to reach for the mouse every time I want to launch a program? |
| 10:24.10 | pinky | I'm not used to using make-kpkg... actually I'm not used to Debian, but I've successfully recompiled vanilla kernel sources in other distros like Slackware |
| 10:24.13 | Obligatory | Mardus: maybe, looking through '/usr/share/doc/numlockx/changelog.Debian.gz' I get the impression that the debian installer does something like that. |
| 10:24.49 | pinky | Besides, LILO is configured to use initrd for the kernel by default |
| 10:24.50 | liable | pinky: man kernel-package |
| 10:24.50 | pinky | heh |
| 10:24.59 | liable | pinky: or make it the same way as slackware. |
| 10:25.31 | pinky | Right, well, that's just the thing... not only am I not used to kernel-package, I've never used initrd with LILO before |
| 10:25.49 | liable | you dont need an initrd |
| 10:25.59 | Obligatory | Mardus: I have used gnome, and there's definitely some keyboard or macro control panel thingee to set menu keys and whatnot. Might be 'Alt-F1' or 'Alt-esc' IIRC. |
| 10:26.05 | endri | can u please explain more jm |
| 10:26.17 | Mardus | Obligatory: Neither works in my case right now. |
| 10:26.17 | jm_ | endri: what needs explaining? |
| 10:26.26 | pinky | I'm aware. Easy way to disable it's use? I'm pretty sure LILO cannot handle multiple kernel builds with some using intrd and some not... |
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| 10:26.35 | Mardus | Obligatory: And I haven't found that control panel either. |
| 10:26.43 | endri | whats the name of the package |
| 10:27.02 | endri | i have update-menus |
| 10:27.23 | jm_ | which package? |
| 10:27.48 | Obligatory | Mardus: http://www.gnome.org/learn/users-guide/2.0/ch01s02.html |
| 10:27.57 | Mardus | Obligatory: Applications > Desktop Preferences > Keyboard Shortcuts |
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| 10:28.05 | liable | pinky: of course it can |
| 10:28.39 | Mardus | Obligatory: Show Panel Menu: Alt+F1 |
| 10:28.42 | pinky | Hmm |
| 10:28.44 | Obligatory | Mardus: I think on my keyboard it had to be the LEFT Alt key. |
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| 10:30.05 | pinky | Well I suppose I should read up on this more anyway... just frustrating because I need the new kernel for my NIC drivers, so I'm running into a paradox in that it's difficult to access informations easily because the box cannot access the internet |
| 10:30.25 | pinky | But the answer to my troubles will be in that man page? |
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| 10:32.09 | medusaXX | what is the actual advantage of creating a debian kernel package instead of just compiling the source and "make install" ? |
| 10:32.20 | pinky | Good question |
| 10:32.38 | Mardus | Obligatory: I actually want both Super_L and Super_R (Windows keys) to open it, but I only got Super_L to do the job :/ |
| 10:32.54 | Mardus | Obligatory: Which in itself is still a good thing... |
| 10:33.14 | Obligatory | Mardus: that one's too deep for me I'm afraid! |
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| 10:33.36 | pinky | Also, do I need an updated version of kernel-package (ie not the default version on the 3.1 sarge release) to successfully create a debian kernel package for newer kernels such as 2.6.16? |
| 10:33.52 | medusaXX | why do you need that package? |
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| 10:34.28 | tralala | medusaXX: the debian kernel package will take care of configuring the boot loader and the initrd image for you. |
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| 10:35.06 | tralala | + all the other benefits of packaged software (upgrades, deinstalls, etc) |
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| 10:35.19 | medusaXX | hm ok |
| 10:35.24 | pinky | Hmm, but it needs the cramfs patch |
| 10:35.35 | Mardus | Obligatory: Super_L and Super_R and those keys on the keyboard that have the Windows logo on them (I've heard that there is such a keyboard available for Linux geeks with a Tux on one of the keys, maybe ThinkGeek has something like that...); Super_L is the left one and Super_R is the right one. |
| 10:35.38 | pinky | So it doesn't work for vanilla sources from kernel.org... |
| 10:35.55 | Mardus | Obligatory: Maybe on both of the two keys... |
| 10:36.07 | liable | pinky: not for non initrd kernels. |
| 10:36.10 | tralala | now if you ask what's the benefit of compiling your own kernel instead of using a debian kernel... I can't see any. |
| 10:36.29 | liable | pinky: unless you specify --initrd, kpkg doesnt build it.. |
| 10:36.40 | Obligatory | Mardus: oh sorry, I know the keys, just not how to set 'em. |
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| 10:36.44 | pinky | Interesting |
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| 10:36.50 | stumbles | can someone tell me how it mutt defines 'old' messages (ones with status 'O') because i can't seem to find it in the documentation |
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| 10:37.13 | liable | pinky: whats your exact command?? |
| 10:37.24 | Mardus | Obligatory: Applications > Desktop Preferences > Keyboard Shortcuts |
| 10:37.33 | mo1991 | is there a way to change the irq that my natsemi ethernet controller uses? The driver for this device is compiled into the kernel |
| 10:37.57 | jm_ | stumbles: it marks all read messages as old when you exit a mailbox or somesuch |
| 10:38.07 | pinky | After generating my config file: |
| 10:38.17 | pinky | make-kpkg clean |
| 10:38.22 | pinky | make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image |
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| 10:38.39 | Obligatory | Mardus: right, so did it work? I'm not using 'gnome' as my WM right now, I'm in the leaner 'xfce'. |
| 10:38.47 | liable | pinky: and it gives a cramfs error?? |
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| 10:39.18 | pinky | I'm not at the system at the moment, but I'm fairly sure that after issuing the second command it gives me ample warnings that I need official Debian kernel sources OR a cramfs patch on my vanilla source |
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| 10:39.26 | stumbles | jm_: i'm not sure that's the case, because i have a message from a week ago and have openned/closed/quit many times |
| 10:39.34 | medusaXX | tralala: isnt the disadvantage of a debian kernel that it is not the most current? |
| 10:39.36 | pinky | Otherwise makeinitrd will crap itself |
| 10:39.44 | medusaXX | like if you need a new driver a something |
| 10:39.52 | Mardus | Obligatory: It did work, just that only one key per one function. I just discovered about xbindkeys. |
| 10:40.13 | design | helllo , i don't like gnome or kde ,but most program is written for them ,and also has their looks,and i hate that looks ,i think it is ugly.so i choose fluxbox, simple light-weight,i want to ask is there way to make all programs looks like fluxbox ? |
| 10:40.14 | tralala | medusaXX: doesn't an onlder kernel have the advantage of being better tested? |
| 10:40.16 | pinky | I also read about the option of editing /etc/makeinitrd/makeinitrd.conf and changing it from cramfs to something else, and I tried that wil unfavorable results |
| 10:40.25 | medusaXX | of course |
| 10:40.33 | liable | pinky: no, it shouldnt, mkinitrd isnt called with kernel_image. |
| 10:40.41 | medusaXX | but what if you rely on the device, then a better tested kernel doesnt help much |
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| 10:41.02 | medusaXX | probably depends much on the individual problem |
| 10:41.05 | tralala | medusaXX: well you have the sid kernels as well |
| 10:41.25 | medusaXX | oh never considered that |
| 10:41.25 | Obligatory | Mardus: OK, well glad it's working out. I think I'm off to get some rest folk, thank and good night or morning to our worthy irc'ers... |
| 10:41.34 | NoboruSan | im so despairing ,i canot figre out how to make it work in vmware |
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| 10:41.51 | tralala | and if you are *really* desperate - the experimenal ones |
| 10:42.02 | medusaXX | lol |
| 10:42.04 | Mardus | Obligatory: 12:37 at where I am. |
| 10:42.10 | NoboruSan | the docs posted on internet have many errors |
| 10:42.17 | NoboruSan | :( |
| 10:42.18 | medusaXX | i never went trough those |
| 10:42.52 | fluxdude | Does anybody know if there is a de facto Mail solution, equivalent of Apache or Bind status etc... preferrably with a MySQL backend? |
| 10:42.53 | NoboruSan | how do i set in interfaces to use dhcp ? |
| 10:43.00 | liable | pinky: man kernel-package |
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| 10:43.41 | pinky | liable: Well I'll check it out again (I'm not on the system right now) |
| 10:43.48 | NoboruSan | right now its 'iface eth0 inet static' |
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| 10:43.52 | NoboruSan | i want to use dhcp |
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| 10:44.03 | medusaXX | fluxdude: what do you mean with "de facto mail solution" ? |
| 10:44.12 | medusaXX | ready to use mysql backend? |
| 10:44.12 | liable | pinky: ok. you shouldnt have a problem building a non-intrd kernel. |
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| 10:44.38 | pinky | And I'll be sure to check that out as well. For the record, is there an easy way to disable the use of initrd by LILO and the rest of the OS in some configuration file? |
| 10:44.50 | petemc | fluxdude: exim4 or postfix are popular |
| 10:44.54 | disposable | what does this mean? i keep getting it on my console every half a second. "hub 5-0:1.0: over-current change on port 5" |
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| 10:44.56 | liable | pinky: /etc/lilo.conf |
| 10:45.07 | pinky | It's all in lilo.conf? |
| 10:45.22 | liable | pinky: man lilo.conf man lilo |
| 10:45.27 | tralala | you could compile a kernel without initrd support |
| 10:45.27 | medusaXX | i suppose courier comes closest to a ready to use, all in package but i personally prefer postfix, though you need a bunch of additional configuration |
| 10:45.30 | jm_ | stumbles: then it might be unread messages when it exits |
| 10:45.35 | pinky | Interesting, okay, well I'll do some more reading on initrd as well |
| 10:45.50 | pinky | tralala: that's what I tried but I ran into issues |
| 10:46.02 | pinky | But it seems like I need to try it again |
| 10:46.04 | disposable | #ubuntu |
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| 10:46.20 | fluxdude | medusaXX: I mean the clear winner like Apache is for web or Bind is for dns... |
| 10:46.30 | tralala | pinky: the couldn't be related to the lack of initrd support |
| 10:46.44 | medusaXX | i dont think there is one |
| 10:46.52 | pinky | tralala: what couldn't? |
| 10:47.02 | medusaXX | as petemc said, postfix and exim4 (and courier) are popular |
| 10:47.07 | medusaXX | but there is no de facto standard |
| 10:47.15 | tralala | I meant they (the issues) |
| 10:47.45 | liable | i hate it when a gui app gets better results than me on the cli. :( |
| 10:47.50 | medusaXX | since many companies still use microsoft solutions (exchange)... |
| 10:47.56 | medusaXX | there are probably some more |
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| 10:48.10 | pinky | I distinctly remember warningd from make-kpkg about how there was no cramfs patch and there needed to be one applied to my vanill source for it to work |
| 10:48.35 | pinky | Maybe I did type something different, but I know I ran into that issue |
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| 10:48.46 | pinky | I suppose compiling without initrd support would be my best bet |
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| 10:49.21 | tralala | I strongly suppose that your best bet would be using a debian kernel. |
| 10:49.22 | stumbles | ah yes that looks like it, thanks jm_! |
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| 10:50.14 | xoz | pinky: in the condition that you know all the necessary modules to be compiled static in the kernel for booting. |
| 10:50.17 | medusaXX | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-kernel.en.html |
| 10:50.26 | medusaXX | that document says something about cramfs |
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| 10:51.58 | pinky | xoz: right, I'm booting from a SATA drive at /dev/sda |
| 10:52.06 | pinky | But I configured appropriately |
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| 10:52.53 | xoz | pinky: why compile. does the debian made kernel have some shortcomings? |
| 10:53.07 | liable | theres a 2.6.16 kernel? |
| 10:53.12 | liable | debian.. |
| 10:53.19 | fluxdude | petemc: thanks for the recommendations, we've currently got exim but my boss is looking at dbmail for some reason. |
| 10:53.40 | troyme | liable:seems not |
| 10:53.42 | liable | not yet. |
| 10:53.47 | fluxdude | being a former exchange administrator, I'd like one big honking champion for the linux world... |
| 10:54.06 | pinky | Uhm, well, I'm used to compiling myself on other distros. I don't have much experience with kernel-package in Debian |
| 10:54.18 | pinky | xoz, I sort of need 2.6.16 though... it has support for my NIC |
| 10:54.23 | Shadur | pinky: make-kpkg is your friend. |
| 10:54.30 | pinky | Even 2.6.15 doesn't |
| 10:54.36 | liable | pinky: once again, you can compile using 'make' the same way as in other distros. |
| 10:54.48 | xoz | pinky: what about module-assisant? nic is not there? |
| 10:54.52 | pinky | Yeah I think I might just want to do that |
| 10:54.56 | pinky | Nope |
| 10:55.06 | Shadur | pinky: Sounds like a *really* weird netcard, then. |
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| 10:55.17 | xoz | pinky: what nic? |
| 10:55.29 | pinky | It's not my system, but yeah, I had never heard of the company and their website was shady |
| 10:55.39 | pinky | Haha rad liable |
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| 10:55.59 | pinky | xoz: Hmm, I think it was Marvell something or other |
| 10:56.06 | liable | who knows whats changed since i last compiled.. |
| 10:56.21 | coywolf | i've seeing arp who-has h.root-servers.net tell 192.168.2.2, is this normal? |
| 10:56.33 | pinky | SK*** model |
| 10:56.39 | liable | coywolf: in ethereal?? |
| 10:56.48 | coywolf | liable, tcpdump |
| 10:56.57 | xoz | pinky: then, if you want to compile, good luck |
| 10:56.58 | ootput | oh, 16 is main? |
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| 10:57.34 | sparr | i would like to figure out why 3d rendering stutters at random on my pc. every 10-100 seconds i get a .1-.5 second video freeze. obviously the video card could be defective, but since thats the most expensive option id like to leave it for last. |
| 10:57.56 | liable | coywolf: um, you are in the army?? |
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| 10:58.09 | xoz | sparr: how fast is your system? |
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| 10:58.21 | beefsalad | sparr: if you run sar (part of the systat-utils package) you might see spikes in i/o for memory and/or disk that would provide a clue... |
| 10:58.22 | sparr | xoz: 1.5ghz cpu, video card varies |
| 10:58.30 | pinky | xoz: thanks. I'll try doing it both with and without make-kpkg and try to ignore initrd since it's just been gicing me headaches |
| 10:58.32 | sparr | beefsalad: interesting idea |
| 10:58.48 | beefsalad | of course, you'll have to modify its cron to collect stats more frequently...but still |
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| 10:59.19 | sparr | beefsalad: the what package? |
| 10:59.27 | xoz | pinky: if you are using debian system, make-kpkg is the easiest route. |
| 10:59.37 | xoz | !kp |
| 10:59.38 | dpkg | [kp] To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 11:00.05 | liable | coywolf: ??\ |
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| 11:00.39 | liable | coywolf: or you have AA running :) |
| 11:00.46 | farmer | is the first iso CD sufficient to install a basic installation? |
| 11:00.50 | coywolf | what's aa? liable |
| 11:00.56 | pinky | Heh, okay xoz, I'll try it again and see if it bitches about cramfs again |
| 11:01.03 | NoboruSan | can anyone tell me if this is right in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 11:01.16 | NoboruSan | auto eth0 |
| 11:01.44 | NoboruSan | iface eth0 inet static |
| 11:01.55 | NoboruSan | address 192.168.0.2 |
| 11:01.57 | nkuttler | NoboruSan: don't paste here. /msg dpkg paster |
| 11:02.03 | beefsalad | sparr: systat-utils I believe...I dont have a debian system up at the moment, might try apt-file search bin/sar |
| 11:02.05 | jmd | NoboruSan: If it's what you want, then it's right. Otherwise, it is wrong. |
| 11:02.10 | sparr | farmer: far more than enough |
| 11:02.10 | liable | coywolf: americas army (game) so, are you in the army?? |
| 11:02.17 | sep | this was a slow flood. are you typing it in manualy ? :) |
| 11:02.18 | NoboruSan | nkuttler, i cant copy,its in a vmware env. |
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| 11:02.40 | xoz | NoboruSan: man interfaces. the example is very clear |
| 11:02.45 | NoboruSan | jmd, you could be a famous politician if you ever tried |
| 11:02.46 | liable | lots of new options in .16.. |
| 11:03.02 | farmer | sparr: great, thanks |
| 11:03.05 | pinky | liable: did you have .15 installed? |
| 11:03.17 | liable | pinky: no bitching here. no, .14 |
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| 11:03.54 | pinky | Argh it might just be my noobishness with dealing with kernel-package for my first time |
| 11:04.07 | pinky | Well, I'll try it out tomorrow |
| 11:04.12 | pinky | Thanks for your guys' help |
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| 11:04.17 | liable | still compiling.. but. |
| 11:04.47 | pinky | Hah, oh, so I still have hope? |
| 11:04.51 | jmd | NoboruSan: Anc you could be a .... well never mind! How on earth do you expect anyone to answer a question like that? What do you mean by "right"? |
| 11:04.51 | pinky | What commands did you run? |
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| 11:05.14 | liable | pinky: did it moan right away? cause i dont really want to compile it if i dont have to. |
| 11:05.23 | jmd | NoboruSan: It's like askeing "I wrote a program, but it didn't work. Why not?" |
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| 11:06.29 | NoboruSan | jmd, you was speaking like a politician, made no sense |
| 11:06.35 | pinky | Argh, I don't remember, sorry... brain's pretty fried right now |
| 11:06.54 | zrin | what does apt-get's "Ign http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Packages" mean? |
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| 11:07.03 | pinky | Perhaps if you told me what you've types so far I could remember |
| 11:07.13 | fireba11 | zrin: that the package list did not change |
| 11:07.20 | liable | make-kpkg kernel_image.. |
| 11:08.28 | zrin | fireba11: thank you, how long should it take for an updated package to appear after announcement to debian-security-announce@lists.debian.org? |
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| 11:08.50 | pinky | Hmm, well, you don't have to continue compiling |
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| 11:09.10 | pinky | I'll just do some more reading on kernel-package and more experimenting I suppose |
| 11:09.18 | pinky | But thanks anyway |
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| 11:09.38 | rdd169 | Hi everyone. When I"m building a kernel with make-kpkg, fakeroot does not work.comes up with permission denied. |
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| 11:10.38 | fireba11 | zrin: no clue .. |
| 11:10.38 | azad | hi guys |
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| 11:11.11 | wdamn | rdd169: is your user in the src group? |
| 11:11.29 | rdd169 | wdamn: Yes sure is. |
| 11:11.47 | zrin | fireba11: I found the package ... it will be anounced after it is uploaded of course |
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| 11:12.21 | wdamn | rdd169: does your user own EVERYTHING in the linux directory? |
| 11:12.22 | fireba11 | :-) |
| 11:12.24 | Zvpun | I got: "Package babel Warning: No hyphenation patterns were loaded for the language `German' I will use the patterns loaded for \language=0 instead." Is this a LaTeX or Debian problem? I found some old bug reports dated on 2003 stating that I should dpkg-reconfigure tetex-base. I did that but no question about languages came up. I am without any clue and need help. |
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| 11:13.46 | rdd169 | wdamn: I"ll just take a look, I think so, but I"ll recheck. |
| 11:14.43 | jmd | Zvpun: What were you doing when you got that error? |
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| 11:15.50 | rdd169 | wdamn: Ahh nope its all root. Would chown -R root:src * work to fix that? |
| 11:15.51 | liable | pinky: well, nothing has changed since i last compiled.. so go read the docs. |
| 11:16.50 | Zvpun | jmd: latex myfile.tex with "\documentclass[10pt,german]{g-brief}" |
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| 11:20.59 | jmd | Zvpun: Never heard of g-brief Maybe its a problem with that. |
| 11:21.31 | wdamn | rdd169: chown -R <user>:src /usr/src/ |
| 11:22.23 | Zvpun | jmd: I think I have to tell babel to use ngerman hyph-patterns. I think there is a Debian way to configure it but I dont know how -> update-languages(8) generates a config file but I dont know how to tell it to use german and ngerman too. |
| 11:22.30 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 11:22.31 | dpkg | [popcon] the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 11:24.09 | rdd169 | Fakeroot still doesn't work. |
| 11:24.25 | jmd | Zvpun: WTF! I get the same thing. Used to work OK. |
| 11:25.27 | Zvpun | jmd: take a look at the end of /var/lib/texmf/tex/generic/config/language.dat. Is there a line stating that "/etc/texmf/language.d/10tetex.cnf not included because the corresponding package seems to be removed."? |
| 11:25.52 | rdd169 | wdamn: <user>:src I thought root owned that directory? I thought it would be root:src? |
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| 11:26.17 | Zvpun | jmd: also read update-languages the paragraph talking about mode of operation |
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| 11:27.36 | cyzie | my pc has 2 Network Interface Card (NIC). 1 of the nic1 has ip 10.122.21.1 and the other one nic2 has ip 192.168.2.1 . for this pc, how do i direct all packet of 192.168.2.x to the LAN ? |
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| 11:27.53 | wdamn | rdd169: I own the directory but if you'd rather do chown -R <user>:src /usr/src/* |
| 11:28.31 | wdamn | rdd169: so you own all the files and directories inside /usr/src |
| 11:28.37 | NoboruSan | finally it worked :D |
| 11:28.54 | NoboruSan | my debian is now communicating to the rest of world in vmware :) |
| 11:28.56 | Nameeater | looks like the ubuntu installer is working when the debian would not |
| 11:28.56 | jmd | Zvpun: The answer is to downgrade to sarge. It works fine there. |
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| 11:28.59 | NoboruSan | Thank you all for helping |
| 11:29.22 | NoboruSan | jmd, hmm sorry...i was mad i applogy |
| 11:29.24 | rdd169 | wdamn: But, I thought that because my users is in the group src, it would work with that dir, no problem, |
| 11:30.05 | NoboruSan | i can't believe it so many wrong docs are posted on to internet about using vmware,geez,its just a dhcp issue at all |
| 11:30.08 | wdamn | rdd169: yes, so it is if you are the owner of the files |
| 11:30.15 | Zvpun | jmd: can you post the output of "ls /etc/texmf/language.d/" and "cat /var/lib/tex-common/language-cnf/tetex-base.list" on your non working system? |
| 11:30.27 | NoboruSan | so during the last 2 hours i have been reading on those wrong docs.bah |
| 11:30.40 | rdd169 | Because if not, I could of just chowned the directory user:root or something, why would I even need src? |
| 11:31.21 | jmd | Zvpun: ls /etc/texmf/language.d |
| 11:31.24 | jmd | 00tex.cnf 10tetex.cnf |
| 11:31.34 | cyzie | my pc has 2 Network Interface Card (NIC). 1 of the nic1 has ip 10.122.21.1 and the other one nic2 has ip 192.168.2.1 . for this pc, how do i direct all packet of 192.168.2.x to the LAN ? |
| 11:31.36 | jmd | cat /var/lib/tex-common/language-cnf/tetex-base.list |
| 11:31.40 | jmd | 00tetex |
| 11:32.02 | Zvpun | jmd: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=357429 |
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| 11:32.24 | Paras | room , is there any script to merge two repositores into one using apt-move or same? |
| 11:32.28 | Zvpun | jmd: I think 10tetex.cnf should be 00tetex.conf or it should read 10tetex instead of 00tetex |
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| 11:33.12 | jmd | Sounds like tetex will need to be purged. |
| 11:33.19 | sparr | is it a bad thing if lspci tells me that my ide controller and video card use the same irq? |
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| 11:34.47 | jmd | Anyone know of a way to capture an X session into a video sequence? |
| 11:34.50 | rdd169 | wdamn: I think I'll just stick to su to root and building, I'm not really seeing the point of fakeroot at the moment. |
| 11:35.10 | rdd169 | wdamn: thanks for the help and patience. :) |
| 11:35.24 | jm_ | jmd: sure |
| 11:35.45 | wdamn | rdd169: ok, I can't answer definetively to your answer |
| 11:35.48 | kapal | when trying to login via ssh to my debian/sarge im successful, but shortly after login i get connection closed message. if someone could help, ill paste on #flood debug from ssh -v -v -v |
| 11:36.09 | jmd | jm_: Other than plugging my video card into my VCR I mean. |
| 11:37.09 | jm_ | jmd: xvidcap/gvidcap |
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| 11:38.04 | jmd | jm_: Where do I find that? |
| 11:38.16 | tralala | jmd: with apt-cache search? |
| 11:38.27 | jmd | tralala: It comes up blank |
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| 11:39.37 | tralala | !find vidcap |
| 11:40.05 | jm_ | jmd: marillat should have it, otherwise it's on sf.net |
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| 11:40.44 | jmd | who or what is marillat ? |
| 11:41.06 | tralala | dpkg: marillat |
| 11:41.06 | dpkg | [marillat] an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> <marillat.etch> <marillat.sid> |
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| 11:41.55 | Trent- | what command will shutdown my debian box? |
| 11:42.04 | jmd | Trent-: halt |
| 11:42.11 | Trent- | kk ty |
| 11:42.12 | jm_ | Trent-: you have answered your own question |
| 11:42.24 | Trent- | command not found |
| 11:42.27 | Trent- | by both of them |
| 11:42.28 | jm_ | as root |
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| 11:42.31 | Trent- | k |
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| 11:43.17 | tralala | Trent-: poweroff as well |
| 11:43.19 | kapal | you could use 'init 0' also |
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| 11:43.30 | sep | Trent-, shutdown | halt | poweroff | telinit 0 | init 0 |
| 11:43.44 | Trent- | kk thanks |
| 11:44.14 | Zvpun | jmd: changing 00tetex in 10tetex in /var/lib/tex-common/language-cnf/tetex-base.list and running update-languages seems to work |
| 11:44.23 | kapal | sep: though, i dont understand really the difference between them... do you? |
| 11:44.32 | jmd | Zvpun: Thanks |
| 11:44.49 | usan | how do u install nvidia drivers for debian sarge |
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| 11:45.11 | sep | kapal, choise is nice :) |
| 11:45.14 | kapal | usan: with the nvidia's script, should have some options that does it |
| 11:45.18 | jm_ | !tell usan -about nvidia one-lines |
| 11:45.21 | jm_ | !tell usan -about nvidia one-liner |
| 11:45.44 | Shadur | Hm, looks like 2.6.16 breaks nvidia. Again. |
| 11:45.58 | usan | the native "nv" is not working with my nvidia cart, is it a known problem? |
| 11:45.59 | kapal | ssp: some of them are scripts arent they? |
| 11:46.10 | jm_ | usan: yes, it doesn't support "new" cards |
| 11:46.10 | jmd | sep: I'm sure something like ls -d [0-9] | xarg kill -9 would do a similar job |
| 11:46.12 | sep | Shadur, dont be silly. |
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| 11:46.35 | usan | jm_, what about this solution that you just sent me, is it ok? |
| 11:46.45 | sep | Shadur, it's darn obvious that a new kernel would break something that requires a compiled kernel module :) |
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| 11:46.56 | jm_ | usan: yes, as long as your card is supported by the version in Sarge |
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| 11:47.02 | fooz | nah, nvidia broke itself (upon 2.6.16) |
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| 11:47.24 | usan | jm_: how could i find if it is supported |
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| 11:47.29 | jm_ | usan: which card is it? |
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| 11:48.04 | mejo | hello |
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| 11:48.28 | Shadur | sep: Ah well. There's nothing in 2.6.16 that my desktop box desperately needs, so it can wait until nvidia gets its act together again. :) |
| 11:48.31 | usan | jm_: i dont know this is not my own computer, how do you check the video cart name/brand in debian? |
| 11:48.42 | jmd | Zvpun: Doesn't for me, but never mind. |
| 11:48.50 | jm_ | usan: lspci |
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| 11:48.57 | Zvpun | jmd: neither for me. I am confused |
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| 11:49.17 | mejo | i use utf8 for my consoles, but when typing a german umlaut in the login prompt on any console, the following prompts are all displayed in uppercase: |
| 11:49.20 | mejo | resivo login: ö |
| 11:49.22 | usan | 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 0165 (rev a1) |
| 11:49.22 | usan | ! |
| 11:49.23 | mejo | PASSWORD: |
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| 11:49.29 | jm_ | run update-pciids |
| 11:49.30 | jmd | Zvpun: I'll just do my German typesetting on sarge until they fix it. |
| 11:49.40 | fooz | mejo, hahaha |
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| 11:49.55 | mejo | fooz: ? |
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| 11:50.34 | fooz | mejo, uh, it's a sort of feature of login.. some ancienk terminals only know uppercase. so when it gets a login in uppercase, it switches to uppercase-only mode. it must think ö is uppercase |
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| 11:50.51 | mejo | fooz: but ö is not uppercase |
| 11:50.52 | incorrect | stupid question, (no im not trying to start a flame war) but is debian going to be trying for shorter release intervals? |
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| 11:51.09 | mejo | fooz: but you're correct, when i type 'TEST', the same happens. |
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| 11:51.55 | mejo | fooz: another problem is that i cannot delete (backspace) the umlauts, while other characters are perfectly deletable. |
| 11:52.29 | fooz | uh, how do you type umlauts in console anyway? you need a special keyboard, or is there a compose key like in X that I need to enable? |
| 11:52.43 | mejo | fooz: no, i use a german keyboard. |
| 11:53.47 | kapal | Could someone help me with openssh? Everything worked fine till today. Now im able to login, but after few seconds the connection is closed with exit code 254, if needed i could paste output of ssh -v -v -v to #flood |
| 11:53.54 | ankur | i am getting error missing libgthread-2.0.so.0, so which library i need to install i am using sarge 3.1r1 |
| 11:54.24 | JLOP | alguém português??? |
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| 11:54.37 | mejo | fooz: any suggestions where to start debugging? |
| 11:54.39 | sparr | before i reboot to fix an irq conflict... does anyone have any tips on getting kdm/gdm to use a session manager to start particular programs when i select a particular WM? |
| 11:55.05 | kapal | sparr: xsessionrc? |
| 11:55.22 | weissi | kapal, ok, paste it to #flood |
| 11:55.28 | sparr | kapal: and what session manager would use that? |
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| 11:55.53 | Zvpun | sparr: you have to select default to use .xsession |
| 11:55.54 | mejo | sparr: xdm at least |
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| 11:56.04 | sparr | Zvpun: of this i am well aware. |
| 11:56.09 | kapal | weissi: just a relevant parts will be |
| 11:56.23 | sparr | mejo: im not too picky regarding the dm... its the sm and wm that cause problems |
| 11:56.27 | weissi | kapal, perfect :-) |
| 11:57.38 | Spine | anyone know how to disable debian auto screen shutoff after xx time ? |
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| 11:57.41 | xirjs | anyone knows if there is linuxsupport for AEB4-0 RME audio cards? |
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| 11:58.22 | weissi | Spine, xset -dpms or set dpms off, I think |
| 11:58.36 | Spine | ty |
| 12:00.25 | kapal | weussi: pasting what happens after submitting pass.. if needed ill give you more |
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| 12:01.56 | JLOP | alguma sala em português do BRASIL??? |
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| 12:04.55 | kapal | so.. whats up with this ssh login. anyone know? |
| 12:05.10 | incorrect | i made some debs of snmp 5.1.3.1 which isn't a backport, are people interested in halfway houses? |
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| 12:06.26 | lorenz | unable to boot http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/5748/boot1nq.jpg |
| 12:06.32 | Dewio_ | what is the recommended approach to hibernating a debian linux system? |
| 12:07.20 | tarzeau | Dewio_: on a laptop? which kernel? |
| 12:07.22 | Dewio_ | ubuntu does it out of the box, doesn't it? do they have a special kernel for that? |
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| 12:07.29 | tarzeau | i386 or ppc? |
| 12:07.29 | Dewio_ | tarzeau: 2.6.15 |
| 12:07.36 | Dewio_ | tarzeau: i386, nonlaptop |
| 12:08.03 | Dewio_ | I'd like to stick with a standard debian kernel if possible |
| 12:08.33 | liable | Dewio_: why do you want to hibernate a desktop? |
| 12:08.48 | Dewio_ | liable: it's a server, and I just got a UPS |
| 12:08.58 | Dewio_ | liable: If I can hibernate when its battery runs low, that'd be nifty |
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| 12:10.14 | anez | ciao |
| 12:10.33 | tarzeau | Dewio_: just power it off |
| 12:10.43 | Dewio_ | tarzeau: then I lose whatever I had open |
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| 12:10.57 | tarzeau | Dewio_: hibernation won't keep up network connections or open files |
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| 12:11.05 | tarzeau | Dewio_: really , it'll just cause you trouble |
| 12:11.12 | liable | Dewio_: ok, the hibernate part shouldnt be hard, getting it to hibernate on battery status i dunno. |
| 12:11.15 | tarzeau | Dewio_: get redundant power |
| 12:11.22 | Dewio_ | tarzeau: it IS redundant power |
| 12:11.26 | Dewio_ | tarzeau: but it only lasts a few mins |
| 12:11.41 | tarzeau | Dewio_: i mean real redundant power |
| 12:11.45 | tralala | Dewio_: I use suspend to disk with my laptop, but this feature is not very stable yet |
| 12:11.56 | Dewio_ | tarzeau: like a diesel engine or something? |
| 12:11.57 | tralala | echo disk > /proc/sys/power |
| 12:12.02 | liable | Dewio_: if the ups is supported, the software will power it down, saving shit. |
| 12:12.08 | anez | qualcuno parla italiano? |
| 12:12.13 | tarzeau | !it |
| 12:12.13 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 12:12.24 | anez | grazie |
| 12:12.25 | tralala | then when booting you need to a special boot option that I don't remember right now. Check the docs. |
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| 12:12.52 | tralala | to add |
| 12:13.23 | liable | suspend to disk works ok mostly. to get it to do it from ups battery status would be a function of the ups monitoring software. |
| 12:13.42 | Dewio_ | liable: sure. That's stage 2. |
| 12:13.48 | Dewio_ | liable: first I want to see what my kernel is capable of |
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| 12:14.08 | Dewio_ | tralala: you reckon my /proc/sys/power is ready to go with that already? if so... could you point me to some reference docs? |
| 12:14.18 | liable | Dewio_: sure, read the kernel docs on suspend then, and install the hiobernate package |
| 12:14.24 | liable | hibernate too. |
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| 12:15.11 | Dewio_ | it'd be awesome to be able to get man pages on packages.debian.org |
| 12:15.14 | tralala | Dewio_: with 2.6.15 yes, check /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.15/Documentation |
| 12:15.41 | liable | Dewio_: its available by echoing values to /proc. |
| 12:15.44 | tralala | you might want to grep proc/sys/power . -R there |
| 12:15.55 | liable | Dewio_: google will give you all the man pages you need. |
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| 12:17.47 | Dewio_ | litage: heh. not for really debian-specific stuff. |
| 12:17.51 | Dewio_ | er |
| 12:17.54 | Dewio_ | liable I mean |
| 12:17.56 | Dewio_ | sorry litage |
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| 12:18.28 | tralala | Dewio_: there is nothing debian specific about suspend-to-disk |
| 12:18.49 | tralala | however, there isn't any man page either |
| 12:19.08 | elephantMan | Hi all |
| 12:19.11 | liable | Dewio_: its a kernel thing, not debian. |
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| 12:20.03 | tralala | I have a thinkpad witch can be hybernated by the BIOS but I found suspend-to-disk to be much faster for the same job. |
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| 12:20.07 | liable | Dewio_: and its supported in later kernels, also you might want to look at the suspend2 patch |
| 12:20.07 | elephantMan | Question about file rights : I have a file with group 'mail' and user 'mybox' - How can i make my webserver (www-data, www-data) access this file ? |
| 12:20.16 | Dewio_ | liable / tralala : the hibernate package contains 2 man pages... but if I had the kernel docs all the information would probably be there too |
| 12:20.32 | tralala | Dewio_: install linux-source |
| 12:20.49 | elephantMan | Do i have to add user 'www-data' to the 'mail' group ? |
| 12:20.53 | Dewio_ | elephantMan: you could make it readable by everyone, o+r |
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| 12:20.59 | liable | Dewio_: the hibernate package is actually for the suspend2 patches. |
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| 12:21.21 | Dewio_ | elephantMan: you could do that if the file has g+r, yes |
| 12:21.24 | Noboru | i found a book about debian ! |
| 12:21.31 | liable | Dewio_: but works with standard kernel suspend too. |
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| 12:21.45 | Noboru | it talks about debian sarge 3.1, released on 1th,feb,2006 :D |
| 12:22.11 | liable | Dewio_: the kernel docs are in the source, so get the source.. |
| 12:22.15 | elephantMan | Dewio_, ok thanx |
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| 12:22.22 | Noboru | i hope after i buy this book debian sarge will still remain for a while |
| 12:22.28 | Dewio_ | Noboru: that's the first time a debian stable release has ever been unexpectedly early |
| 12:22.29 | aboyousif | hi, i had a problem with my sound .. i use debian etch and the sound is built in .. it works well with the system sounds but when i try to use app like xmms or realplayer it refuse to work and pop up an error that it cann't open the device or another one is using it .. plz help |
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| 12:23.14 | tralala | Noboru: it would be a surprise for everyone if it doesn't |
| 12:23.20 | Noboru | my book http://www.china-pub.com/computers/common/info.asp?id=28844 |
| 12:23.25 | snail | aboyousif: have you googled for this? |
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| 12:23.43 | aboyousif | snail: yes but i cann't handle it |
| 12:23.54 | liable | aboyousif: kill atrsd or esd and try again. |
| 12:23.58 | tralala | aboyousif: do you use gnome or kde? |
| 12:24.02 | liable | artsd.. |
| 12:24.10 | Noboru | there are only 2 debian books i found by far, geez,one is an old one the writer is an american and the first publish date was in 2002,so outdate,talks about debian 2.1 |
| 12:24.13 | aboyousif | tralala, gnome |
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| 12:24.26 | aboyousif | liable, plz explain how |
| 12:24.29 | usan | jm_: do u recall my nvidia question? :) i had to leave chatroom for some minutes |
| 12:24.39 | jm_ | usan: yes |
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| 12:24.53 | TANATHOS | Help |
| 12:25.05 | liable | !tell jmd about away |
| 12:25.06 | usan | jm_: brilliant, ok now lspci command gives this: VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV44 [Quadro NVS 285] (rev a1) |
| 12:25.08 | tralala | aboyousif: install xmms-esd-plugin (or such) and configure xmms to use esd for sound output plugin. |
| 12:25.25 | TANATHOS | how do i shape the bandwidth for the users i do nat |
| 12:25.26 | TANATHOS | ? |
| 12:25.32 | unstable | http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=openoffice.org |
| 12:25.42 | unstable | Why is openoffice.org 2.0.2 waiting on kdelibs? |
| 12:25.45 | tralala | dpkg: tell TANATHOS -about lartc |
| 12:25.51 | jm_ | usan: can you give me its PCI ID? |
| 12:26.10 | jm_ | usan: I can see NVS 280 listed |
| 12:26.23 | usan | jm_, how do i get the pci id? |
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| 12:26.31 | jm_ | usan: lspci -n |
| 12:27.12 | usan | jm_, it returned a lot of numbers |
| 12:27.13 | aboyousif | tralala, it worked with xmms :) .. thanks i will try realplayer now |
| 12:27.24 | usan | jm_, 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV44 [Quadro NVS 285] (rev a1) |
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| 12:27.59 | tralala | aboyousif: I doubt you'll be that lucky with the realplayer |
| 12:28.10 | jm_ | usan: no lspci -n doesn't return that, show me the line for 0000:01:00.0 |
| 12:28.17 | aboyousif | tralala, realplayer : cannot open the audio device . another application may be using it .. |
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| 12:28.22 | aboyousif | any comments ? |
| 12:28.55 | aboyousif | is there any sndconfig for debian like the one in RH ? |
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| 12:29.08 | usan | jm_, 0000:00:01.0 0604: 8086:2775 |
| 12:29.18 | tralala | aboyousif: esd is a sound server. It is locking the audio device so no other apps can use it directly. If you want sound your app should be able to use esd (which realplayer is not). |
| 12:29.27 | tralala | or you shouldn't run esd at all |
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| 12:30.14 | weissi | aboyousif, another app is using the soundcard and realplayer tries to use it, too. (perhaps you've started artsd,esound,jack and rp doesn't know about them) |
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| 12:30.26 | weissi | sorry... |
| 12:30.50 | aboyousif | weissi: and what is the solution for that ? |
| 12:30.56 | jm_ | usan: that's Intel, not Nvidia |
| 12:31.05 | weissi | tralala, isn't there a esound-wrapper?? |
| 12:31.22 | tralala | I don't know. I'm not using sound servers |
| 12:31.31 | liable | !remove gnome |
| 12:31.31 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 12:31.34 | liable | :) |
| 12:31.47 | jm_ | usan: shopuld be something like 10de:.... |
| 12:32.04 | tralala | !start a gnome war |
| 12:32.05 | usan | jm_, 0000:01:00.0 0300: 10de:0165 (rev a1) |
| 12:32.25 | jmp_me | 5C5fluxbox is best |
| 12:32.26 | jm_ | usan: heh that one is not listed |
| 12:32.27 | weissi | aboyousif, try `esddsp realplayer` |
| 12:32.58 | weissi | aboyousif, substitute realplayer with the binary file of realplayer |
| 12:33.07 | aboyousif | weissi: bash: esddsp: command not found |
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| 12:33.27 | aboyousif | weissi: how to substitute ? |
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| 12:33.53 | weissi | aboyousif, `apt-get install esound-clients` |
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| 12:34.29 | locus | anyone knows whats up with #linux? |
| 12:34.49 | weissi | aboyousif, if the realplayer binary is e.g. named "rplay", then do `esddsp rplay`; if it's named "rp" do `esddsp rp` |
| 12:34.57 | petemc | locus: full of idiots? |
| 12:35.02 | liable | hehe |
| 12:35.07 | liable | !beer petemc |
| 12:35.10 | petemc | woo |
| 12:35.15 | petemc | right on the money, too |
| 12:35.31 | locus | petemc, possible ;) but I cant seem to join anymore |
| 12:36.07 | petemc | locus: perhaps you need to register with nickserv |
| 12:36.48 | aboyousif | weissi: it opened the realplayer (as the first time) but when to play a file it raise the same problem again |
| 12:37.10 | locus | petemc, i am...whatever |
| 12:37.29 | petemc | locus: you're not |
| 12:37.33 | weissi | aboyousif, shit, so the wrapper doesn't work for realplayer :-(( |
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| 12:38.03 | locus | hmm...you sure? -NickServ- Password accepted - you are now recognized |
| 12:38.03 | locus | * services. sets mode +e locus |
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| 12:38.16 | petemc | locus [n=locus@idspreng.unibe.ch] |
| 12:38.16 | liable | locus: #freenode, #debian isnt a network help channel. |
| 12:38.36 | aboyousif | weissi, (x-www-browser:6478): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager: |
| 12:38.36 | aboyousif | Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed. |
| 12:38.36 | aboyousif | *** WARNING *** The programme 'epiphany' uses the HOWL compatiblity layer of Avahi. |
| 12:38.36 | aboyousif | *** WARNING *** Please fix your application to use the native API of Avahi! |
| 12:38.36 | aboyousif | *** WARNING *** For more information see <http://0pointer.de/avahi-compat?s=howl&e=epiphany> |
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| 12:38.49 | aboyousif | libvisual WARNING: no progname: visual_plugin_get_list(): Failed to add the /usr/lib/libvisual/morph directory to the plugin registry |
| 12:38.52 | aboyousif | libvisual WARNING: no progname: visual_plugin_get_list(): Failed to add the /usr/lib/libvisual/transform directory to the plugin registry |
| 12:39.01 | liable | aboyousif: stop |
| 12:39.05 | tralala | dpkg: tell aboyousif -about paste |
| 12:39.07 | weissi | !paste |
| 12:39.07 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 12:39.14 | liable | aboyousif: dude, dont paste here. |
| 12:39.24 | aboyousif | liable, sorry :( |
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| 12:39.42 | liable | aboyousif: /topic |
| 12:40.17 | aboyousif | liable, what ? |
| 12:40.19 | weissi | aboyousif, I don't think these warnings are the cause of your problem |
| 12:40.26 | disposable | i've connected two computers with usb-link cable. i've added entries into /etc/hosts defining the two machines. i've entered this into /etc/network/interfaces(semicolon means new line here) : iface usb0 inet static ; address 192.168.1.1 ; netmask 255.255.255.0 ; network 192.168.1.0 ; broadcast 192.168.1.255 with the address entry 192.168.1.2 on the other machine. module usbnet is loaded, i've done ifconfig usb0 up (and /etc/init.d/n |
| 12:40.26 | disposable | restart). but i still cannot ping the machines. when i do ifconfig, usb0 is up but shows no 'inet addr' on either machine, only 'inet6 addr'. what have i not done? |
| 12:40.27 | weissi | aboyousif, stop pasting in here!!! |
| 12:40.35 | tralala | aboyousif: realplayer is a propriarity piece of crap. Just don't use it and your life will be much better. |
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| 12:40.54 | liable | aboyousif: when you join a channel, read the topic... type /topic in your irc client.. |
| 12:41.11 | weissi | aboyousif, here what tralala says!! that's damn true |
| 12:41.14 | aboyousif | tralala, it is a good idea , but then i will need to use rm or ra app |
| 12:41.52 | tralala | Unless your life depends on it I don't think you need to use it. |
| 12:41.54 | weissi | aboyousif, you could try `esddsp --mmap realplayer` |
| 12:42.11 | aboyousif | btw . there is a warning raise when boot that oss is older that the one for kernel .. is that important ?? |
| 12:42.47 | aboyousif | weissi, the same problem |
| 12:42.51 | liable | disposable: no gateway?? whats route output?? |
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| 12:43.15 | weissi | aboyousif, then in realplayer(without esddsp): View->Preferences->Performance->Esound Support |
| 12:43.25 | weissi | aboyousif, and the next time: gooogle for it |
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| 12:43.39 | jmd | Any reason why xvidcap hasn't been packaged ? |
| 12:43.39 | liable | disposable: or at least a route for the network |
| 12:43.57 | disposable | liable: i've set gateway on the 192.168.1.2, because 192.168.1.1 is the gateway, but that's not important here. route lists only eth0 |
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| 12:44.27 | disposable | liable: do i need to add route to /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 12:44.30 | chrysopa | Hi |
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| 12:45.00 | chrysopa | Anybody know how is the best way to make multiple dvd backup? |
| 12:45.01 | sep | disposable, it's all in man interfaces |
| 12:45.08 | liable | disposable: whats the layout? what are you trying to do? |
| 12:45.24 | disposable | sep: i wouldn't dare come here without reading manuals first :) |
| 12:45.31 | chrysopa | to automaticaly split the files in severals dvds? |
| 12:45.51 | weissi | disposable, which kernel version? (I remember there was a usbnet problem in older kernels...) |
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| 12:46.24 | disposable | connect mylaptop to my internet connected box through usblink cable. (kernel 2.6.15) i'll set the NAT later. just need to be able to ping one machine from another now |
| 12:46.27 | wolf-uvt | Hi all. When I run apt-setup and I choose some country and ftp/http server, apt-setup creates lines with "testing" distro. But I want to apt-setup add lines with "stable" distro. I have installed debian using debootstrap with sarge suite. |
| 12:46.27 | jmd | chrysopa: I hacked up a script which used the loopback device and tarred to a stream. |
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| 12:46.36 | liable | LittleWoodenBoy: dont tell lies! :) |
| 12:46.52 | chrysopa | How to make mkfs.ext2 usable for normal users? |
| 12:46.52 | LittleWoodenBoy | The swiss are attacking! |
| 12:46.53 | LittleWoodenBoy | :) |
| 12:47.10 | chrysopa | jmd, where I find this script? |
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| 12:47.21 | disposable | liable: connect mylaptop to my internet connected box through usblink cable. (kernel 2.6.15) i'll set the NAT later. just need to be able to ping one machine from another now |
| 12:47.25 | liable | chrysopa: you dont |
| 12:47.39 | weissi | disposable, problems were on 2.4.29 an ealier and ~<2.6.8 |
| 12:47.46 | aboyousif | btw .. etch is very nice release ,, beside some small problems :) |
| 12:47.47 | Noboru | most parts in debian = linux ? |
| 12:48.02 | chrysopa | I try to use the multicd do make my multibackup, but it is slow and need to be root. |
| 12:48.04 | Noboru | i already have a linux book,i wonder shalli go buy that debian book ? |
| 12:48.05 | Ronin | Noboru: pardon? |
| 12:48.19 | weissi | aboyousif, does it work? |
| 12:48.29 | Noboru | Ronin, i mean, most of parts in debian are the same in other linux distributions ? |
| 12:48.33 | chrysopa | I looking for other stuff for this. |
| 12:48.33 | liable | disposable: so usb0 doesnt show an address asigned to it? |
| 12:48.39 | aboyousif | weissi, no i check realplayer forum now |
| 12:48.39 | Noboru | except the special package mangege system |
| 12:48.47 | jmd | chrysopa: In my /usr/share directory. It's unlikely to be of much use on anything but my network. |
| 12:48.47 | disposable | liable: no. atleast no ipv4 address |
| 12:48.51 | Noboru | Ronin, i already have a linux book |
| 12:48.56 | weissi | aboyousif, isn't there a View->Preferences->Performance->Esound Support config option?? |
| 12:49.06 | aboyousif | weissi, no |
| 12:49.13 | weissi | aboyousif, which version?? |
| 12:49.16 | liable | disposable: ifconfig 192.168.0.2 usb0?? |
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| 12:49.19 | tralala | Noboru: what distribution is your linux book based upon? |
| 12:49.37 | aboyousif | weissi, 10.0.6.776 (gold) |
| 12:49.51 | Noboru | My book is O'reilly Running Linux , the third edition |
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| 12:50.16 | chrysopa | Is possible to create a iso9660 image and mount it rw to copy files to it? |
| 12:50.18 | weissi | aboyousif, ok, so check their formus might really be better |
| 12:50.19 | disposable | liable: name has no assigned address (rough translation) |
| 12:50.31 | lorenz | unable to boot http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/5748/boot1nq.jpg |
| 12:50.31 | tralala | Noboru: depending on the linux distribution they have used it could be very close of very far from Debian |
| 12:50.38 | usan | jm_, before debian, there was slackware on this computer, and nvidia driver released by nvidia.com was working on the slackware very smoothly, do u have any suggestion for me? |
| 12:50.39 | sniff | i desperately need help, i spilled some juice on my machine and now it wont boot with an agp display card anymore, with an old pci graphics card it boots but wont display any picture.. are there kernel parameters for making linux use pci graphics card on an agp motherboard? |
| 12:50.45 | aboyousif | weissi, thanks for your help : |
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| 12:50.59 | Noboru | tralala, i see hmm |
| 12:51.00 | weissi | aboyousif, np |
| 12:51.08 | disposable | sniff: :) you have to set it in bios |
| 12:51.14 | sniff | oh shit |
| 12:51.21 | sniff | that's difficult with no picture :P |
| 12:51.37 | disposable | sniff: use manual to your motherboard. |
| 12:51.37 | liable | disposable: ifconfig -add 192.168.0.2 usb0 up |
| 12:51.52 | Noboru | tralala, i think my book is a redhat book |
| 12:52.05 | tralala | Noboru: it's different then |
| 12:52.14 | jm_ | usan: try it, see if it works, it won't hurt you |
| 12:52.14 | Noboru | tralala, big ? |
| 12:52.24 | tralala | Noboru: significantly |
| 12:52.37 | usan | jm_, i did, it says it does not find kernel sources to add some modules |
| 12:52.39 | jmd | chrysopa: Yes. It will be slow, and you will need to be root. There's no way around that. |
| 12:52.40 | liable | sniff: how the hell did you get jiuce inside the box? (out of interest..) |
| 12:52.41 | chrysopa | If I can only split a big diretory into severals smallers diretories automatically is suficient for me. Anybody know how to make this? Tar dont make this or make? |
| 12:52.45 | Noboru | significantly ? |
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| 12:53.02 | Noboru | you mean very big difference ? |
| 12:53.02 | liable | chrysopa: man split? |
| 12:53.03 | jm_ | usan: are you using debian kernel? |
| 12:53.06 | tralala | liable: well, you see, the box was used as a juice-pad... |
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| 12:53.15 | liable | hehe |
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| 12:53.29 | sniff | liable: a chassis fan grid most likely, i did dry it out in a sauna for a bit before trying again... |
| 12:53.32 | tralala | and it was open, of course - who uses closed boxes anyhow |
| 12:53.40 | usan | jm_, i just installed debian by the netinstall CD yesterday, the kernel is 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 12:53.54 | Glanzmann | Hello; I am using Debian etch and I would like to do german umlauts in latex using "äöüß", with sarge it was possible to \usepackage isolatin1 and it worked. |
| 12:53.55 | liable | *dry* in a *sauna* ?? |
| 12:54.09 | sniff | liable: yeah, sauna, not "steam room" |
| 12:54.14 | sniff | finnish sauna |
| 12:54.19 | disposable | liable: SIOCSIFADDR: no such device; add: ERROR while gettign interface flags: no such device; usb0: name has no address assigned to it |
| 12:54.25 | jm_ | usan: install kernel-headers for it |
| 12:54.31 | Glanzmann | With etch isolatin1 doesn't exits anylonger but an 'umlaute' package, but that doesn't provide the äöüß aliases but only the conventional "a |
| 12:54.32 | usan | jm_, how? |
| 12:54.42 | liable | disposable: ifconfig -a shows usb0 you said? |
| 12:54.44 | Noboru | hi tralala ,if i buy a book talks about secure linux systems,will this work for debian ? |
| 12:54.54 | disposable | liable: what's the purpose of route if i have /etc/hosts and interfaces set up? (interfaces contains no route however), yes, usb0 is shown |
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| 12:55.19 | jm_ | usan: the same way you install any other package |
| 12:55.22 | disposable | liable: ifconfig shows usb0 even without -a |
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| 12:55.37 | tralala | Noboru: just go to www.debian.org and read the docs there. You will get debian knowledge while saving some money. |
| 12:55.39 | usan | jm_, ok tnx |
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| 12:55.48 | liable | disposable: you need a route for te packets to go through. it tells em, where to go from the interface.. |
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| 12:56.24 | lorenz | hello. i've installed a debian based distro. the installation finished corretly but after reboot unable to boot http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/5748/boot1nq.jpg |
| 12:56.26 | tralala | Noboru: if you insist of buying a book you can find there book references as well. |
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| 12:56.31 | Glanzmann | I got it: \usepackage[latin1]{inputenc} |
| 12:56.37 | Noboru | tralala, ok,so i should not buy that book,since i already have one,and debian is a linux,no big different,i mean especially those linux commands which are same |
| 12:56.53 | liable | lorenz: a debian based distro isnt debian, ask in the channel for your distro |
| 12:57.07 | Noboru | tralala, ok |
| 12:57.27 | Noboru | let me cancel my order |
| 12:57.30 | disposable | liable: do you think it is necessary for this configuration? (the book which i am doing it by doesn't say anything about route for the setup i am doing) |
| 12:57.56 | lorenz | liable: an equal problem i had in debian too |
| 12:57.58 | tralala | Noboru: most of the commands that are not distribution specific will work on debian as well, but the configuration part will be significally different. |
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| 12:58.12 | aboyousif | tadata .. rythmbox is not playing any sound |
| 12:58.14 | liable | disposable: at this stage, no. if the iface doesnt even have an address asigned to it. |
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| 12:59.23 | liable | lorenz: if it isnt debian, please dont ask here |
| 12:59.23 | disposable | liable: what i dont understand is that i HAVE assigned ip to it. in tthe /etc/network/interfaces by adding the address 192.168.1.1 line |
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| 12:59.38 | disposable | liable: why does it ignore it? |
| 12:59.51 | Noboru | tralala, i see ,thank you |
| 13:00.05 | liable | disposable: no idea. i havent ever used usb network shits. google i guess. |
| 13:00.19 | disposable | liable: thank you for the patience :) |
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| 13:00.30 | liable | disposable: good luck. |
| 13:00.37 | Jubal | is it possible to use LDAP aliases (objectClass: alias, not mail aliases) with PAM/NSS? |
| 13:00.53 | Jubal | (along with normal accounts, of course) |
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| 13:01.04 | lorenz | liable, i have had the same problem in past with debian, and i ask for this |
| 13:01.26 | streuner_ | lorenz: enough, do you want to fool us? |
| 13:02.26 | liable | lorenz: i understand. but you cant expect concise diagnostics on a non-debian system, from debian people. |
| 13:03.01 | liable | it will frustrate everyone.. |
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| 13:03.06 | tralala | lorenz: make sure that your motherboard chipset is supported by the kernel you've installed. That's the only thing I can suggest given the information I have. |
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| 13:03.26 | lorenz | liable, i know. as in past, i have this message: http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/5748/boot1nq.jpg |
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| 13:03.56 | tralala | lorenz: this message is not enought for anything |
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| 13:04.17 | streuner_ | lorenz: what distro do you use? |
| 13:05.00 | liable | lorenz: hrm, what hardware, does this happen with all kernel versions? |
| 13:05.14 | lorenz | streuner_, elive. i'm asking in his channel but i have not answear |
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| 13:05.44 | streuner_ | lorenz: elive what? |
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| 13:06.00 | liable | lorenz: you cant get *any* linux to boot on it?? |
| 13:06.55 | lorenz | liable: amd 2000+, nvidia geforce 2, adaptec 2110s raid controller |
| 13:07.33 | streuner_ | !tell lorenz about they don't know |
| 13:07.37 | lorenz | liable, i have this problem only with certain 2.6 kernels |
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| 13:08.52 | lorenz | liable, i have had this problem in debian too. |
| 13:08.59 | tralala | lorenz: try to install debian. If it doesn't work fill a bug report against the debian installer. |
| 13:09.16 | liable | lorenz: 2110? |
| 13:09.35 | liable | is it pata or sata? |
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| 13:10.49 | lorenz | liable: scsi |
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| 13:12.17 | Spine | whats the command to bring up the x-window setup screen ? |
| 13:12.29 | streuner_ | !drxx Spine |
| 13:12.29 | dpkg | Spine: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 13:12.39 | Spine | ty |
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| 13:13.07 | liable | lorenz: well, anyway, looks like a kernel issue, so google. we cant really help. your best off finding what issues that controller has with various kernels. ( guessing older may be better??) |
| 13:13.23 | usan | how do u upgrade kernel from 2.4.x to 2.6.x in debian? do u download source and compile like slackware or apt-get? |
| 13:13.38 | streuner_ | the later |
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| 13:13.58 | lorenz | liable: ok |
| 13:14.06 | usan | streuner_, how do you use apt-get for it? |
| 13:14.06 | streuner_ | usan: pick one kernel and just install the linux-kernel package |
| 13:14.26 | st0ner | apt-get install linux-image-xxx |
| 13:14.31 | streuner_ | usan: search via apt-cache search linux-kernel and pict one |
| 13:14.40 | streuner_ | s/pict/pic/ |
| 13:14.59 | liable | pick :) |
| 13:15.07 | comsa | ye works a treat |
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| 13:15.09 | streuner_ | apt-cache search linux-image-2.6 |
| 13:15.32 | streuner_ | if you using sarge/stable its apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
| 13:15.33 | st0ner | use hurd! ;p |
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| 13:20.20 | nvz | you mean join the hurd |
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| 13:22.10 | usan | streuner_, is the latest stable kernel 2.6.16 ? |
| 13:22.20 | streuner_ | lorenz: try debian beta etch installer, it has 2.6.15 |
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| 13:22.48 | streuner_ | lorenz: if you prefer sarge/stable just use kmuto's installer (2.6.15) |
| 13:23.12 | streuner_ | !kernel |
| 13:23.14 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.16, snapshot: 2.6.16-git2, 2.4: 2.4.32, prepatch: 2.4.33-pre2, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, 2.0: 2.0.40, -ac patch: 2.6.11-ac7, -mm patch: 2.6.16-rc6-mm2 |
| 13:23.34 | usan | streuner_, WOW thanks |
| 13:23.53 | streuner_ | usan: usually it needs some weeks till the packages are ready (release)... |
| 13:24.21 | nvz | lilo: playing with yourself in public? |
| 13:24.23 | streuner_ | if you using unstable, etch take longer |
| 13:24.25 | mejo | how do i repair a mysql table that is marked as 'crashed'? |
| 13:24.55 | [TechGuy] | #mysql |
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| 13:29.59 | liable | thats weird. |
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| 13:30.36 | liable | laterz |
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| 13:32.48 | usan | streuner_, i just used apt-get to upgrade to 2.6.8, does it configures 'grub' automatically ? |
| 13:34.05 | jm_ | usan: normally yes |
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| 13:34.53 | antares_CH | sid update (aptitude) broke my postgresql init script: Insecure $ENV{IFS} while running with -T switch at /usr/bin/pg_ctlcluster line XXX; any ideas? |
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| 13:35.53 | nkuttler | antares_CH: check the bts |
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| 13:36.30 | antares_CH | nkuttler, what are bts (sorry this is probably a dumb question) |
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| 13:37.06 | nkuttler | antares_CH: no, it's not. /msg dpkg bts |
| 13:37.08 | st0ner | bit torrent server |
| 13:37.11 | st0ner | :) |
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| 13:37.28 | antares_CH | nkuttler: ok |
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| 13:39.01 | settked | kwifimanager gives me "aborting network switching due to invalid wep key specification" any ideas? |
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| 13:40.22 | pmak | how can i make every file created from any use in the folder 'aaa' be from the group 'master'? |
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| 13:41.25 | pmak | normally when a user creates a file, the file is from the user group. i want to make the file be from the 'master' group. can i do this: |
| 13:41.37 | pmak | ? |
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| 13:42.41 | antares_CH | nkuttler: i learned about http://fabre.debian.net/ but I can not reach it. (our university net may have problem, or maybe the site is really down?) |
| 13:42.56 | zeda | pmak: set the group stick bit on the directory |
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| 13:43.21 | pmak | zeda group stick bit? how can i do that? |
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| 13:44.52 | zeda | pmak: err, the setgid bit. chmod g+s aaa |
| 13:44.58 | pmak | zeda ah ok, i got it, but where do i set the master group to be the owner group? |
| 13:45.41 | zeda | pmak: chgrp master aaa |
| 13:46.06 | pmak | ok let me test |
| 13:46.08 | pmak | thanks |
| 13:46.14 | pmak | q |
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| 13:52.09 | pmak | zeda, when a file is created he dont have any group permission, i have to make the g+rwx default for every file, how can i make this: |
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| 13:52.58 | antares_CH | what is the best aptline in central europe (the mirror.switch.ch has problems the last days...) ? |
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| 13:53.22 | zeda | pmak: change the umask |
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| 13:53.43 | Fox | antares_CH: ftp.(fr|de).debian.org |
| 13:53.44 | pmak | zeda no man entries for umask |
| 13:53.48 | pmak | whats that: |
| 13:54.14 | GoAuLd | pmak: umask 022 |
| 13:54.21 | antares_CH | Fox: thanks ;) |
| 13:54.41 | Fox | antares_CH: you're welcome |
| 13:54.44 | GoAuLd | you can set it in /home/user/.bashrc for it to be pplied forever |
| 13:54.47 | pmak | or how do i change it? |
| 13:55.26 | datuin | hi everybody. trying to make my sound blaster audigy 2 LS (ca0106) work with alsa. soundcore and snd-ca0106 modprobed ok, but still no sound. any help? |
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| 13:55.49 | GoAuLd | datuin: apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils |
| 13:56.05 | GoAuLd | datuin: alsamixer (u activate channels and sound volumes) |
| 13:56.26 | streuner_ | datuin: cat /proc/version |
| 13:56.28 | GoAuLd | datuin: alsactl store (for storing values and keep them after reboots |
| 13:56.30 | tralala | datuin: alsa is muted by default |
| 13:56.49 | comsa | try the other holes |
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| 13:57.14 | pmak | GoAuLd is set to 0022 but when an user creates a file it still comes with no group permission |
| 13:57.31 | pmak | -rwxr--r-- |
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| 13:57.54 | GoAuLd | pmak: maybe i was worng with the number |
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| 13:58.12 | tralala | pmak: 0002 |
| 13:58.41 | datuin | streuner: Linux version 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 13:58.53 | comsa | 0 0 0 0 |
| 13:58.53 | antares_CH | Fox: "deb ftp://de.debian.org/mirror/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free" maybe I have to add/omit directories? |
| 13:58.57 | chrysopa | how to get only the name of the current directory? pwd give the full path, I need to get only the name |
| 13:59.28 | chrysopa | for /home/ronaldo I need to get only ronaldo |
| 13:59.38 | datuin | Goauld: alsaconf giver error trynig to find mixer |
| 13:59.45 | zeda | chrisq: basename $PWD |
| 14:00.02 | GoAuLd | a didnt tell you to use alsaconf |
| 14:00.13 | chrysopa | zeda, thanks |
| 14:00.16 | Fox | antares_CH: deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib |
| 14:00.20 | datuin | Goauld: did that before |
| 14:00.32 | GoAuLd | datuin: cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 14:00.38 | antares_CH | Fox: ok, that will help ;) |
| 14:00.47 | pmak | tralala no difference, i've set it to 0002, then the user created the file and i still get -rwxr--r-- to the file. |
| 14:01.08 | GoAuLd | if the card is there you dont need alsaconf, use alsamixer instead |
| 14:01.32 | datuin | GoAuLd: 0 [CA0106 ]: CA0106 - CA0106 |
| 14:01.32 | datuin | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:01.33 | Fox | pmak: are they created using a shell or ftp or anything else ? |
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| 14:01.50 | Auckland_Pig | what is a "sane sensible" linux kernal? |
| 14:01.51 | GoAuLd | datuin: ok, go with alsamixer and activate volumes and channels |
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| 14:02.14 | datuin | Goauld: where? |
| 14:02.28 | GoAuLd | type "alsamixer" in a console |
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| 14:02.52 | pmak | Fox they are created from the network, using samba |
| 14:03.39 | datuin | Goauld: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory |
| 14:03.47 | tralala | pmak: then you need to configure the samba server |
| 14:03.58 | Fox | pmak: you should change the umask in your /etc/fstab then |
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| 14:04.07 | GoAuLd | datuin: did you install the packages i told you? |
| 14:04.13 | Fox | pmak: in the mount options |
| 14:04.26 | datuin | Goauld: already installed |
| 14:04.42 | antares_CH | fox: it did not work, but when I browse there i find: "http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/" so I try this? |
| 14:04.53 | pmak | fox change from which mount point: |
| 14:05.08 | GoAuLd | datuin: try alsamixer -c 1 |
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| 14:05.51 | Fox | pmak: man 8 mount |
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| 14:06.07 | Fox | antares_CH: works great for me |
| 14:06.10 | datuin | GoAuLd: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for hw:1: No such file or directory |
| 14:06.32 | crypt_ex | I have a 1Gb usb mp3 player. How can I reformat this? |
| 14:06.37 | zeda | pmak: in smb.conf 'directory mask = 0775' for the share |
| 14:06.49 | antares_CH | Fox: grumble maybe i am in a bad state with aptitude, he reports file not found errors |
| 14:07.02 | tralala | crypt_ex: why do you want to reformat it? |
| 14:07.11 | Fox | antares_CH: might be aptitude yes |
| 14:07.43 | GoAuLd | datuiin: is a custom kernel ? |
| 14:07.52 | crypt_ex | tralala, its playing up....when I put new mp3s on it, it sorta updates and says its added them, but when I use it, it may get through half a track and then play an old mp3 that is longer on it |
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| 14:08.16 | Mardus | Hi. |
| 14:08.29 | tralala | crypt_ex: are you unmounting it before disconnect? |
| 14:08.35 | comsa | hello |
| 14:08.54 | crypt_ex | tralala, No? |
| 14:09.01 | Mardus | I not put the Sarge I installed into production use, but the problem is that when connected, I was out of the blue whisked to in Firefox to a webpage that I didn not intentionally go to. |
| 14:09.16 | datuin | GoAuLd: not sure. |
| 14:09.19 | crypt_ex | tralala, literally just adding it, removing old mp3s, then removing it |
| 14:09.44 | tralala | crypt_ex: what do you use to remove the old mp3s? |
| 14:09.52 | Mardus | And another thing is that i have the OpenBSD Secure Shell Server *active*, which I want to deactivate. |
| 14:09.58 | GoAuLd | datuin: maybe a reboot helps, im not sure |
| 14:10.08 | Mardus | Oh lucky me, it's not in use... |
| 14:10.13 | crypt_ex | tralala, gnomes file manager thingy |
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| 14:10.23 | GoAuLd | hm |
| 14:10.43 | GoAuLd | maybe not all sound card kernel modules get loaded |
| 14:10.52 | tralala | crypt_ex: ok, plug it in, and open it. Do you get a desktop icon for the stick? |
| 14:10.58 | crypt_ex | yea |
| 14:11.07 | crypt_ex | tralala, usb (2) |
| 14:11.17 | tralala | now close the file manager and right-click on the icon |
| 14:11.17 | GoAuLd | datuin: i recommend to install a newer 2.6.15 kernel |
| 14:11.34 | crypt_ex | tralala, yup, unmount? |
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| 14:12.31 | [TechGuy] | ... and hence why Win-duh!-s screams at you when you yank a USB drive without "safely removing" it. |
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| 14:15.31 | pmak | zeda the folder that i want to affect is inside a share, does that change anything? i did the change to the smb.conf, but i got no results. |
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| 14:15.39 | antares_CH | fox: i get confused...:W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.de.debian.org unstable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.de.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 14:15.52 | Fox | ôO |
| 14:16.04 | antares_CH | the same for non-free and contrib |
| 14:16.37 | Fox | did you try with apt-get ? |
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| 14:19.11 | antares_CH | fox: I'll try |
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| 14:19.53 | datuin | GoAuLd: found this tutorial. can u tell if i should use it? |
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| 14:20.19 | datuin | GoAuLd: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Creative+Labs&card=Sound+Blaster+LS.&chip=SB0310%2C+P17&module=ca0106 |
| 14:20.33 | antares_CH | fox: ohhh, it worked! and additionally aptitude is in a good mood now :-)) |
| 14:20.51 | antares_CH | so thanks alot |
| 14:21.27 | GoAuLd | datuin: you dont have to do all of that |
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| 14:22.04 | GoAuLd | that tutorial i think is outdated or something, nobody is compiling things to get his soundcard working |
| 14:22.15 | datuin | GoAuLd: Seems there's a directory missing. But have no idea where to make it. |
| 14:22.34 | GoAuLd | datuin: have tou the hotplug package? |
| 14:22.42 | locus | OT (linux kernel): is it possible to compile a kernel module somewhere and then copy the .ko module file to another server (assuming the same kernel version) and then loading the module? |
| 14:23.13 | SilverWolf | Hmm, why cant i ask dpkg about xorg sid? :) |
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| 14:23.24 | stumbles | is it common to set up fetchmail as a daemon so that it reads each user's ~/.fetchmailrc or is this not the idea? |
| 14:23.27 | datuin | GoAuLd: Added it to /etc/modules, but modprobe hotplug gives error |
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| 14:23.45 | GoAuLd | no |
| 14:23.57 | GoAuLd | apt-get install hotplug |
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| 14:24.07 | crypt_ex | tralala, I think I know the cause now |
| 14:24.23 | GoAuLd | maybe hotplug detects your soundcard correctly and load the correct kernel modules |
| 14:24.47 | SilverWolf | Is it possible to get Xorg 7.0 into Sid? |
| 14:24.55 | SilverWolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:25.14 | tarzeau | debian gnu/kfreebsd really is cool: http://www.aurel32.net/info/talks/gnu_kfreebsd_fosdem_2006.pdf |
| 14:26.10 | datuin | GoAuLd: Done. Gonna try the reboot now. thanks |
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| 14:26.11 | GoAuLd | silverwolf: i dont know that, i know xorg 7 will be pushed into sid probably this week |
| 14:26.26 | Eclipser | something broke my xfce4... |
| 14:26.42 | Eclipser | I only get the right click menu and background image... |
| 14:26.46 | SilverWolf | GoAuLd, okay. Great :) Thanks |
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| 14:27.42 | SerajewelKS | !info xserver-xorg sid |
| 14:27.43 | Eclipser | any ideas what might be wrong? |
| 14:27.49 | dpkg | xserver-xorg: (the X.Org X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 6.9.0.dfsg.1-4 (sid), Packaged size: 5767 kB, Installed size: 14912 kB |
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| 14:28.14 | magnus_ | Hi. Which package do I reconfigure to change the keyboard layout in terminal? |
| 14:28.26 | SerajewelKS | magnus_: console-dara |
| 14:28.30 | SerajewelKS | magnus_: data* |
| 14:28.30 | jetscreamer | console-data |
| 14:28.37 | magnus_ | thanks :) |
| 14:28.49 | jetscreamer | console-daria |
| 14:29.08 | jm_ | magnus_: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 14:29.18 | jetscreamer | console-zelazny |
| 14:29.34 | SimonRaven | console-general |
| 14:29.42 | Eclipser | apparently something broke in ~/.xfce4 |
| 14:29.48 | jetscreamer | errrnt! (that's consul) |
| 14:29.55 | kneet | xoz, where you the xoz_ that I was talking to yesterday about kernel panics? |
| 14:29.58 | Eclipser | moving it to ~/temp and relogging in brought me default desktop |
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| 14:30.18 | settked | hell could anyone help me configure wifi |
| 14:30.19 | YogSothoth | Hi |
| 14:30.26 | settked | ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth1: link is not ready ;-( |
| 14:30.32 | SimonRaven | what's errnt about it, i'm playing :) |
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| 14:31.00 | Eclipser | my xfwm config seems wrong |
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| 14:31.35 | jetscreamer | the buzzer |
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| 14:32.10 | YogSothoth | I installed an app with apt-get, then I compiled from source a new version. And now I want to uninstall this newer version but I don't manage to. I tried make uninstall but does not work. Then I tried to apt-get install the app again but it says it's already installed. So how can I trick apt-get into thinking that the app is not installed so it reinstall it? |
| 14:32.31 | SimonRaven | heh |
| 14:32.36 | jm_ | apt-get has --reinstall switch |
| 14:32.49 | jm_ | then there's aptitude reinstall |
| 14:32.49 | YogSothoth | jm_: yeah! thanks I try that |
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| 14:34.14 | Kerr | anyone know of a repository with the gaim beta2 debs; and if they'd be safe to install on sarge? |
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| 14:34.42 | abrotman | check backports.org, apt-get.org .. ask #gaim .. use google .. of course they're not safe .. they're beta |
| 14:34.45 | chrysopa | How to define on mkisofs to omit the path, like this: I make a iso from this path: /home/ronaldo/teste, but I need that in CDIMAGE have only the files in the directory without the complete path. |
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| 14:35.07 | chrysopa | How to define on mkisofs to omit the path, like this. I make a iso from this path. /home/ronaldo/teste, but I need that in CDIMAGE have only the files in the directory without the complete path. |
| 14:35.08 | YogSothoth | jm_: that worked! thanks! :-) |
| 14:35.13 | Kerr | abrotman: for some reason i can't log in to gtalk anymore.. haven't changed my settings. |
| 14:35.16 | Kerr | !gaim |
| 14:35.17 | dpkg | from memory, gaim is an AIM clone for UN*X (http://gaim.sf.net/). It's graphical (it uses Gtk+), and uses the TIK/TOC protocol as well as Oscar. If gaim can't sign on, try the cvs version - http://gaim.sf.net/cvs.shtml, or really meant for AIM, but now with plugins supports ICQ, MSN and Yahoo!, or to get the cvs version, add "deb http://people.debian.org/~robot101/gaim unstable cvs" to your sources.list. a shit irc client Gaim an I.M. |
| 14:35.25 | Kerr | cvs isn't at that url. |
| 14:35.31 | Dre | good morning. I was installing debian and when it told me to reboot my new debian system, and when it was loading, it stopped at the mouse part. didnt move on after that. anyone knoe the reason why? |
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| 14:36.53 | chealer | Kerr: then fix it |
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| 14:37.12 | Celeste | hi |
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| 14:38.50 | abrotman | Kerr: ask #gaim? .. i was on last night with the gaim from etch |
| 14:38.58 | abrotman | Kerr: perhaps the service is ... down? |
| 14:39.31 | azeem | Kerr: I'm online |
| 14:39.38 | azeem | though I don't use google talk really |
| 14:39.54 | azeem | but I noticed it disconnects rather frequently |
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| 14:40.03 | abrotman | let's have azeem use /invite to get Rob in here :) |
| 14:40.18 | azeem | well, this is stable gaim, anyway |
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| 14:40.32 | abrotman | the one in etch works seemingly as of last night |
| 14:40.36 | Dre | anyone? |
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| 14:40.43 | abrotman | anyone what?! |
| 14:40.59 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 14:41.04 | Fox | anyone answers his question |
| 14:41.05 | abrotman | Dre: unplug the mouse? |
| 14:41.09 | Dre | i did |
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| 14:41.18 | abrotman | Fox: when you join and go "anyone?" .. i had to scroll up a bit |
| 14:41.22 | Dre | and it said mouse unplug, didnt move either |
| 14:41.24 | Fox | sure :) |
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| 14:41.54 | ma3x | can you install debian on mac notebooks? |
| 14:41.54 | abrotman | Dre: what is "does'nt move" .. it won't finish booting up ? |
| 14:41.59 | abrotman | ppc or intel? |
| 14:42.21 | ma3x | i dont know |
| 14:42.22 | Dre | yeap |
| 14:42.23 | Dre | intel |
| 14:42.39 | abrotman | ma3x: it may matter .. |
| 14:42.53 | abrotman | Dre: what is the last message on the console? |
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| 14:43.14 | Dre | something got to do with loading microsoft mouse |
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| 14:43.27 | abrotman | Dre: which kernel? |
| 14:43.43 | Dre | debian-31r1a-i386-netinst |
| 14:43.58 | abrotman | that's not a kernel :) |
| 14:44.08 | abrotman | Dre: did you try type `linux26` before starting the installer? |
| 14:44.09 | k31th | when some thing rsyncs at the end it says speedup then an amount is this the amount that it has had to transfer on the last sync ? |
| 14:44.17 | Dre | nope |
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| 14:44.28 | Dre | i just boot it up and installed it straight |
| 14:44.29 | abrotman | Dre: what kind of machine is this? |
| 14:44.34 | Dre | i386 |
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| 14:44.44 | ma3x | why's thinkpad so special? |
| 14:44.58 | ma3x | what's the diff. between thinkpad and thin laptop ? |
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| 14:45.46 | clarissa | does somebody know the package name from the game wörms of prey? |
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| 14:47.18 | abrotman | ma3x: because IBM was the king of laptops .. none were better |
| 14:47.33 | abrotman | for most purposes anyways |
| 14:47.38 | stumbles | is gnome 'sessions' an appropriate way to run my regular user fetcmail daemon? |
| 14:47.57 | Dre | abrotman : should I download the FULL CD? |
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| 14:48.01 | Kerr | abrotman: toughbooks look pretty cool |
| 14:48.04 | abrotman | Dre: you don't have to |
| 14:48.12 | Dre | so what's wrong? |
| 14:48.32 | abrotman | Dre: use the netinst you already have .. and when it starts .. when you see the ASCII debian logo .. type `linux26` and then hit enter |
| 14:48.35 | dbe | how can I extract a tar.bz2 file? tar xjf archive.tar.bz2 didn't work this time, why? |
| 14:48.42 | abrotman | Kerr: for that purpose yes |
| 14:48.56 | abrotman | dbe: what's the error ? |
| 14:49.29 | dbe | abrotman, http://rafb.net/paste/results/nn9wKR43.html |
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| 14:49.57 | abrotman | dbe: you don't have bzip2 installed? |
| 14:50.05 | Dre | okie |
| 14:50.05 | abrotman | seems fairly obvious :) |
| 14:50.08 | Dre | I'll do that now |
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| 14:50.14 | Kerr | i usualy install with linux26 debconf/priority=low or whatever.. i can't live without ssh/irssi... I'd begin to show withdrawal symptoms. |
| 14:50.38 | dbe | abrotman, nope, I thought it should be inbuilt, thx |
| 14:50.44 | Dre | what does linux26 do? |
| 14:50.45 | Fox | clarissa: think there's no .deb for this game |
| 14:50.48 | abrotman | it's not installed by default |
| 14:50.56 | abrotman | Dre: installs using a 2.6 kernel instead of 2.4 |
| 14:50.57 | fireba11 | dre use kernel 2.6 |
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| 14:51.26 | babo | Hi guys, I have a problem with simple html ... my image link is <img src='/uploads/image.jpg' ... this comes out fine when a point a firefox browser to the server, but I don't get any image at all when I point an IE one to the server ??? |
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| 14:51.47 | Unetixs | Hey all. I'm trying to enable clamAV on my exim4 mailserver, and it looks like for some reason /etc/exim4/conf.d/main/01_exim4-config_listmacros isn't executing. I have a simple call to 'demime' that should catch bad file types (.com, .scr, .exe, etc.) in attatchments but it's never executing. Does anyone know what would cause that to be ignored? |
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| 14:52.22 | Fox | Unetixs: #exim ? |
| 14:52.25 | abrotman | babo: clear your cache |
| 14:52.34 | Zugschlus | Fox: no, he has a problem with the debian config |
| 14:52.34 | Unetixs | oh. Thanks fox |
| 14:52.43 | Zugschlus | Unetixs: grep split /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.coonf |
| 14:52.45 | Zugschlus | err |
| 14:52.48 | Zugschlus | Unetixs: grep split /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf |
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| 14:52.51 | Dre | okie |
| 14:52.52 | Dre | I will |
| 14:52.54 | Fox | hum ok |
| 14:52.57 | Unetixs | alright Zugschlus |
| 14:53.28 | Dre | I'll be back later. Thank you. |
| 14:53.30 | Unetixs | use split config is false |
| 14:53.51 | Zugschlus | ok, read the docs again and write your configuration macros in the file that is actually read in a non-split config |
| 14:54.06 | Unetixs | ouch |
| 14:54.16 | leosol_ | nvz: thx for the help yesterday r.e. installing 'testing' over 'unstable' looks like i got things working |
| 14:54.24 | Unetixs | thanks zug, that was a braindead mistake |
| 14:54.33 | Zugschlus | you're welcome ;) |
| 14:54.34 | leosol_ | as well as others who gave me tips |
| 14:57.29 | dbe | hmm, Richard Stallman has called Ututo "the only free GNU/Linux distro" |
| 14:57.42 | Unetixs | hey Zugschlus, thanks a lot. The mailserver works like a charm now |
| 14:58.00 | azeem | dbe: he usually appends an "AFAIK" after that, IME |
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| 14:58.59 | dbe | azeem, then I have to get it confirmed from him |
| 14:59.08 | babo | abrotman: nope, unfortunately not. This one is a real head scratcher. The image link is <img src='/uploads/pic.jpg' .... I've cleared the cached and tried it on different computers/browsers ... ? |
| 14:59.20 | azeem | dbe: why? |
| 14:59.25 | azeem | and what? |
| 14:59.42 | dbe | azeem, join #ututo and read what it is about |
| 15:00.13 | Ronin | azeem: founder of mandrake got let go and is doing another distro is all |
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| 15:00.33 | azeem | dbe: are you spamming? |
| 15:00.42 | dbe | azeem, no, why? |
| 15:00.45 | azeem | Ronin: ututo is not related to that |
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| 15:01.02 | azeem | dbe: I know about utoto, what's the connection to #debian, please? |
| 15:01.04 | babo | Does anyone have an idea why a firefox browser would render an image on a page and an IE one wouldn't ?? |
| 15:01.05 | Kerr | babo: shouldn't that be <img alt="pic" src="uploads/pic.jpg"> ? |
| 15:01.11 | Ronin | isnt that the name of gaels newdistro? or do i need more coffee :) |
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| 15:01.26 | dbe | azeem, reflections, but yes, it's off topic |
| 15:01.29 | azeem | Ronin: nah, it's some gentoo off-shoot in south-america, been around for a couple of years |
| 15:01.33 | jetscreamer | it's png? |
| 15:01.37 | abrotman | babo: and it works sometimes .. or not? |
| 15:01.38 | Ronin | i need more coffee i see :) |
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| 15:01.52 | [TechGuy] | Yet Another Distro... |
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| 15:02.11 | azeem | well, being backed by RMS at least gives it some PR |
| 15:02.16 | abrotman | dbe: you'd do well to just drop the subject |
| 15:02.17 | redrain | Hi, how can i kill a zombie process (netstat)? pill -9 process_id doesn't kill |
| 15:02.25 | [TechGuy] | pill? :D |
| 15:02.33 | SlayerXP | redge-: you can't, ignore them. |
| 15:02.39 | Fox | you give your precess's pills ? :) |
| 15:02.41 | Kerr | redrain: tery red_pill -9 |
| 15:02.45 | Fox | s/re/ro/ |
| 15:02.46 | Kerr | try^ |
| 15:02.48 | Kerr | ~.~ |
| 15:02.51 | [TechGuy] | no, no no no... |
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| 15:03.01 | [TechGuy] | cyanide -9 |
| 15:03.12 | babo | abrotman: nope ... works none of the times. From various computers running IE ... even on a windows machine with IE and firefox |
| 15:03.32 | [TechGuy] | though if you're feeling like being branded a serial killer, use killall (over a serial console no less, for the double-joke!) |
| 15:03.40 | settked | is there a secureim solution under linux? |
| 15:04.06 | redrain | Kerr: kill -9, so what is your idea, red_kill? |
| 15:04.19 | Kerr | babo: are you sure the image src needs a leading slash? |
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| 15:04.24 | Fox | redrain: try pkill -9 PID |
| 15:04.34 | Kerr | redrain: i was being facetious, sorry. |
| 15:04.36 | stouset | settked: Gaim? |
| 15:04.48 | settked | where is encription in gaim? |
| 15:04.53 | redrain | Fox: I've tried it... |
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| 15:05.18 | Kerr | redrain: what is the ps output for the process in question? |
| 15:05.33 | redrain | Kerr: redrain 5732 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? Z 14:32 0:00 [netstat] <defunct> |
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| 15:06.01 | Fox | tried to kill the parent process ? |
| 15:06.03 | stouset | settked: Install the gaim-otr plugin. |
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| 15:06.38 | babo | Kerr: which trailing slash ... ? I'm just going over it here and the behaviour replicates itself on two different html pages ... |
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| 15:07.23 | dani | bonjour tt le monde |
| 15:07.45 | dani | y'en a qui parle en français ici? |
| 15:07.49 | Fox | !fr |
| 15:07.50 | dpkg | well, fr is Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debianfr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debianfr |
| 15:07.52 | Kerr | babo: try <img alt="pic" src="uploads/pic.jpg"> |
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| 15:08.08 | redrain | Fox: Parent process was Evolution2.0(?) After killing it, netstat was killed, thank you |
| 15:08.16 | dani | merci, je vais voir la ba |
| 15:08.18 | dani | :D |
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| 15:09.15 | babo | kerr hmmmm |
| 15:09.21 | settked | how can I find gaim-otr for gaim 2 beta 2? |
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| 15:10.17 | darkness | This isn't totally deb related. However i'm trying to find what hardware my friends box has. Now he has win 98 loaded and i can't get shite from that. So i tried to use the deb boot disc to get the os to spew out to std-out the proc fs info. |
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| 15:10.51 | Kerr | darkness: under win98 google for aida32 :) |
| 15:11.07 | Kerr | babo: where is the image in relation to the webpage? |
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| 15:12.56 | flosch | hi |
| 15:13.09 | babo | Kerr: the image path is www.webpage.com/uploads/image.php I can type in the path directly and find the image no problem ... |
| 15:13.45 | darkness | Tks kerr, looks just the job i need. Mind looks like it has 32mb ram with a cyrix m11 366m and 3gig hdd. Not sure what he expects to get sellingit tbh :-) |
| 15:13.58 | abrotman | babo: what is tghe full line of xml/html/xhtml/whatever |
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| 15:14.26 | chealer | dpkg: no, fr is <reply>Les personnes qui parlent francais mais peu ou pas anglais et qui ont besoin d'aide avec Debian peuvent demander sur #debian-fr. People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 15:14.26 | dpkg | okay, chealer |
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| 15:14.30 | chealer | !fr |
| 15:14.31 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais mais peu ou pas anglais et qui ont besoin d'aide avec Debian peuvent demander sur #debian-fr. People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 15:14.38 | coywolf | how to monitor my switcher? |
| 15:14.55 | Kerr | Darkness: If he throws on an old version of ms office he can advertise it as being perfect for students moving away from home, or something. |
| 15:15.16 | coywolf | !switch |
| 15:15.16 | dpkg | hmm... switch is This refers to a hub that directs network packets to the port they are intended for, without broadcasting them to all connections. Switching is an alternative to moving to faster architectures. Switched 10Base-T can move data faster in some cases than a 100Base-T hub, because the 100Base-T hub takes up the hub's entire bandwidth with each packet sent. |
| 15:15.18 | coywolf | !switcher |
| 15:15.39 | darkness | Kerr, I agree. |
| 15:15.40 | azeem | coywolf: please /msg the bot |
| 15:16.07 | coywolf | how to monitor my switcher? Azar |
| 15:16.11 | abrotman | hehe |
| 15:16.22 | Celeste | which one is the SARGE one please? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/ |
| 15:16.32 | babo | abrotman kerr, It's ok now I've got it ... I had height="" and width="" ... IE renders that as 0 whereas firefox renders it as whatever size the image is ... thanks guys :-) |
| 15:16.58 | Kerr | no prob :) |
| 15:17.05 | babo | the debian irc has a better class of netizen IMO ;-) |
| 15:17.09 | abrotman | !d-i Celeste |
| 15:17.09 | dpkg | Celeste, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 15:17.23 | babo | I might try debian after I get done with ubuntu ... :-) |
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| 15:17.54 | babo | abrotman: you don't like debian ? |
| 15:18.20 | Kerr | ubuntu doesn't seem to like any of my hardware.. i did have to install it for a while though. Etch died and my only other install cd was windows 98se O.o |
| 15:19.05 | babo | abrotman: oh wait now I get it ... :-) ... d'oh |
| 15:19.15 | xoz | kickhim babo |
| 15:19.18 | xoz | !kickhim babo |
| 15:19.43 | babo | dpkg: what kinda shoepolish would that be exactly ? |
| 15:20.04 | yggdrasil | is anyone here good with audacity ? |
| 15:20.09 | Kerr | babo: anyhow; if you have any more coding woes, try running the page through http://validator.w3.org/ |
| 15:21.03 | babo | Kerr: yeah I would have done that with my checky tool on firefox but I didn't know the address while I was on IE ... probably a good suggestion though |
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| 15:24.09 | Dews | hi |
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| 15:26.08 | Kerr | err O.o |
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| 15:26.45 | abrotman | yggdrasil: just ask |
| 15:26.51 | Kerr | why is apt-get update trying to peel some 50 packages from backports when * is pinned to 200 and gaim is the only one pinned to 999 ? |
| 15:27.01 | abrotman | gtk |
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| 15:27.07 | abrotman | dependencies are dependencies |
| 15:27.08 | ems | hi |
| 15:27.26 | ems | was GTK broken earlier today? |
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| 15:27.41 | Kerr | abrotman: but apt, iptables, make, mozilla-firefox O.o |
| 15:27.53 | ems | its surely broken on my system |
| 15:27.54 | Liquid_Ic | I'm looking for a linux program that will monitor serial ports for certain strings then run a script when they come in. Any ideas? |
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| 15:28.36 | elirips | hello. i can't get XFree86 4.3 and kernel 2.6.15 work with my keybaord: it is ignoring the 'alt gr'-key. for example if i press alt gr + 2, which should give me an (at), i only get a '2'. I use "XkbRules" "xfree86", "XkbModel" "pc104", "XkbLayout" "de_CH". the keyboard is an ibm thinkpad t40p with a swiss german keyboard layout. anyone got me a hint what to do? |
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| 15:28.46 | abrotman | Kerr: maybe you did it wrong |
| 15:29.11 | elirips | with that configuration it worked before, using kernel 2.6.11.xx |
| 15:29.23 | yggdrasil | ok abrotman im wikking it up |
| 15:29.30 | Kerr | abrotman: #flood ? |
| 15:30.28 | Unetixs | elirips: try using slightly different keymap setups. i.e. 104 instead of 101 |
| 15:30.45 | Unetixs | sounds like a trial and error thing |
| 15:30.46 | elirips | Unetixs, i tried it with 102, 101 and 104 |
| 15:30.48 | [TechGuy] | well that was interesting. Debian just lost my VMWare NIC for some reason |
| 15:30.52 | Unetixs | is it usb? |
| 15:30.59 | Unetixs | 2.6 had a few usb issues |
| 15:31.01 | ems | hmm |
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| 15:31.10 | elirips | Unetixs, no, i'm working on a laptop. it is the keyboard of the laptop |
| 15:31.24 | Unetixs | elirips: what model? |
| 15:31.26 | elirips | Unetixs, an ibm thinkpad t40p |
| 15:31.45 | elirips | Unetixs, and the keyboard should have swiss german layout. |
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| 15:32.02 | Unetixs | there are a few issues with the keymap on that model |
| 15:32.07 | Unetixs | gimme a sec and I'll dig google |
| 15:32.33 | Kerr | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2201 |
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| 15:34.10 | elirips | Unetixs, it worked with 104, xfree86 and de_CH with a previous kernel, using the same xfree86 4.3 |
| 15:34.35 | fatal_ | I have an old Compaq server which has lots of old used-to-be-cool-stuff server hardware which I'm curious about.... can anyone help me with good info about the "Advanced System Management Controller"? |
| 15:34.53 | abrotman | Kerr: there now |
| 15:34.57 | abrotman | yggdrasil: ? |
| 15:35.00 | yggdrasil | im tryhing to use audacity on my dell c400 laptop and when i record my second track its .. almost as if the speed is changed... slowed down |
| 15:35.04 | yggdrasil | ;) |
| 15:35.16 | Unetixs | elirips: are you running stable? |
| 15:35.22 | elirips | Unetixs, the anoying thing is i cannot make the 'pipe' symbol anymore.. if i press alt gr + 1 in a kde-konsole, the konsole doesn't accept it |
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| 15:35.33 | digip1mp | I am trying to do a mount --bind from ext3 to ext3 within the same partition/filesystem. (it's for an ftpd running inside of a jail). whats the equivalent of -o umask=0777 for an ext3 mount? |
| 15:36.08 | elirips | Unetixs, no, i am runnings sarge, but i needed a kernel bigger than 2.6.11, because of variour reasons (module e1000, suspend to ram/disk, and fglrx with dual-head and tv-out never worked for me on kernels below 2.6.11) |
| 15:36.12 | abrotman | yggdrasil: i blame dell |
| 15:36.21 | yggdrasil | abrotman me 2 |
| 15:36.40 | yggdrasil | im looking at the intterupts and i see err 0 and i thin ksound card looks like its on irq 12 |
| 15:37.12 | elirips | Unetixs, I mean, yes I am running stable, I read your question too fast and thought you're asking me if i run unstable :P. And I am using a backport of kde 3.5. In the console with no X running the keyboard is working fine. |
| 15:37.41 | MatBoy | I'm looking for a working script to make a custom login for horde... it seems like that horde can't document his own features that well. |
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| 15:39.05 | xoz | elirips: kde has its own mapping which does not respect any config in your xfree86 or x |
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| 15:39.31 | xoz | elirips: you should configure it using kde keyboard configuration in its control center |
| 15:40.35 | null | hi, who have a good HOW-TO for setting up bluetooth(wireless) network in debian sarge/testing? |
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| 15:40.57 | xoz | null: google? |
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| 15:41.33 | k1ckn1ck | i have a problem with the time and date it seems to be going faster than standard time :S |
| 15:41.56 | elirips | xoz, thank you very much. i had a look in the control center, but only under 'peripherals', there you cannot setup layouts. now i found it in 'regional and acc...' tab. everythings working again, i can do #|@s again :) |
| 15:41.58 | fireba11 | k1ckn1ck: let me guess .. you got a notebook ? |
| 15:42.30 | xoz | elirips: take note that if you update kde, it may change again. |
| 15:42.43 | k1ckn1ck | no i dont have a notebook :S |
| 15:42.58 | yggdrasil | abrotman no ideas ? |
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| 15:43.11 | fireba11 | k1ckn1ck: hm .. there were a few people with this problem lately ... |
| 15:43.13 | abrotman | yggdrasil: don't buy dell |
| 15:43.21 | yggdrasil | well i got a smokin deal |
| 15:43.23 | yggdrasil | ;) |
| 15:43.32 | yggdrasil | 350 bucks |
| 15:43.37 | [TechGuy] | smoking deal = cheap ass components |
| 15:43.45 | [TechGuy] | quality costs |
| 15:43.48 | petemc | dell are fine |
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| 15:44.13 | k1ckn1ck | its not dell |
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| 15:44.27 | k1ckn1ck | just paid £500 for the pc and installed linux |
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| 15:44.39 | yggdrasil | and ? |
| 15:44.46 | Unetixs | sorry elirips, I'm at work and I got interrupted |
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| 15:45.41 | elirips | Unetixs, thank you too, I had to change it in the kde-settings, i did not know that kde ignores the settings of XF86Config-4 |
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| 15:48.02 | Dews | anybody use vyqchat? |
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| 15:48.55 | xoz | elirips: kde and gnome ignores it. they both are violating the standard hookup principle. |
| 15:49.04 | xoz | *ignore |
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| 15:50.04 | yggdrasil | is there anything besides audacity that i can use to record multitrack ? |
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| 15:51.04 | DGauge | does debian not come with any desktop environments? |
| 15:51.04 | k1ckn1ck | is there anyway to fix this fault with time going faster than normal |
| 15:51.06 | Fox | yggdrasil: ardour ? |
| 15:51.12 | xoz | yggdrasil: ardour-gtk? |
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| 15:51.41 | xoz | DGauge: stable debian? |
| 15:51.42 | yggdrasil | ill tyr that |
| 15:51.46 | yggdrasil | is it any better than audacity |
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| 15:52.03 | Fox | yggdrasil: it's a must-have :) |
| 15:52.07 | DGauge | I just d/l'ed the ISOs for 31r0 |
| 15:52.20 | yggdrasil | oh groovy .. did you see my problem with audacity ? |
| 15:52.29 | yggdrasil | xoz yes thanks :( |
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| 15:53.02 | xoz | darkness: tasksel and choose desktop. |
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| 15:53.58 | DGauge | I got them because I friend recommended me going from Mandriva to either Debian or Gentoo...I chose Debian and installed it but I'm staring at a blank prompt....thankfully I have this laptop with winxp |
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| 15:54.31 | locus | can anyone recommend a tool to measure network throughput? (tcp is sufficient) |
| 15:54.40 | xoz | DGauge: type tasksel. |
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| 15:55.05 | elPepo | hi friends |
| 15:55.06 | Ronin | DGauge: blank prompt? installed/configured x yet? |
| 15:55.12 | elPepo | when try: ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.XX I get: SIOCSIFADDR: No such device ----> what is wrong? |
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| 15:55.35 | leOn | i've been using linux raid in a system with a couple of ide drives. happens that one of the drives failed, i i was so happy i did raid in the first place. happens that when the system tries to start the raid device it states: |
| 15:55.39 | leOn | mdadm: /dev/md0 assembled from 0 drives and 1 spare - not enough to start the array. |
| 15:55.57 | DGauge | how many ISOs does debian have? making sure I got them all...that is just it it asked for disk 2 but never once had me configure x or anything |
| 15:55.57 | leOn | when the array didn't even have any spares in the first place |
| 15:56.02 | xoz | locus: ethstats, dstats, etc |
| 15:56.18 | leOn | i.e. it's treating the remaining disk as a spare when it was part of the array all along |
| 15:56.27 | locus | xoz, thanks |
| 15:56.31 | leOn | any ideas? |
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| 15:57.58 | DGauge | tasksel does nothing |
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| 15:59.01 | xoz | DGauge: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 15:59.05 | yggdrasil | Tha Gawgles, They Do Nawthing..... |
| 15:59.09 | yggdrasil | -wolfcastle |
| 15:59.15 | xoz | DGauge: apt-get install tasksel |
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| 15:59.28 | CalvadoS | Heloo, I wonder that if I can add more than one domains for a IP (as reverse record) any clue ? |
| 15:59.28 | Stevie | 250 Stevie |
| 15:59.36 | DGauge | how many ISOs does debian have? I need to see if I got them all |
| 15:59.39 | wdamn | Hi, I need to add some paths to my java CLASSPATH but I don't have a CLASSPATH variable setted -- howto? |
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| 16:00.08 | xoz | DGauge: more than 15 i think |
| 16:00.09 | jm_ | DGauge: so go to the web page and find out |
| 16:00.16 | elPepo | when try: ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.XX I get: SIOCSIFADDR: No such device ----> what is wrong? |
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| 16:00.31 | [TechGuy] | CalvadoS: Definitely not recommended. Reverse IP entries are supposed to be the canonical name of the host, regardless of how many vhosts you have |
| 16:00.48 | DGauge | xoz: 31r0 had only 14...just making sure I needed them all :) |
| 16:01.01 | xoz | DGauge: no need to get them all. just use apt-setup and apt-get update and apt-get install <package> |
| 16:01.16 | CalvadoS | Techguy: hmm I've 1 ip and 50 domains and cant sent mail to hotmail etc from vhosts. reason of reverse. so I need to buy 50 domains ? |
| 16:01.25 | Ronin | DGauge: why get them all? |
| 16:01.46 | CalvadoS | s/50 domains/50 ips/ |
| 16:02.04 | DGauge | followed directions from Solak a Debian user said to d/l everything in folder |
| 16:02.05 | [TechGuy] | so set the reverse to the *single true name* of the host. There's a reason it's called *virtual* host |
| 16:02.27 | Ronin | DGauge: no need one little mini cd iso is all that needed if you have a decent speed connection |
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| 16:02.42 | DGauge | have cable connection |
| 16:02.51 | Ronin | then you get everything else off the net using apt-get |
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| 16:03.24 | xoz | CalvadoS: why not create a local mail server for your own domain? |
| 16:03.28 | CalvadoS | Techguy: but my customers sents via their domains |
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| 16:04.04 | [TechGuy] | CalvadoS: So? |
| 16:04.06 | CalvadoS | its not about my own domain. its working and its correct reversed. but my hosted mail servers that belongs to my customers not working |
| 16:04.19 | DGauge | I'll do that thanks :) later |
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| 16:04.51 | jeward | I created a cluster interconnect on my second ethernet card, but it added a default route. How do I get permanently get rid of a default route on a second ethernet interface? |
| 16:04.56 | xoz | CalvadoS: cant they download the mail using pop? or do you want to route the mail to their domain? |
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| 16:05.08 | CalvadoS | ok let me give a example. My domain is a.com and my customer is b.com on my server. i have 1 ip address 1.1.1.1 and its resolve to reverse a.com but my customer cant sent it user@b.com to hotmail and other reverse checker smtp servers |
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| 16:05.08 | Moeen | anybody had experience for installing Debian into Sony VAIO S series laptops ? My installer can detect my hard disk (SATA), but after install, it give me Kernel Panic ! with the error of "Sync Error" and with the module of scsi_mod. What can I do ? |
| 16:05.55 | CalvadoS | because of 1.1.1.1 resolves a.com but my customer trying to sent as b.com |
| 16:06.00 | xoz | CalvadoS: you don't have smtp server? |
| 16:06.08 | CalvadoS | i have. |
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| 16:06.27 | xoz | CalvadoS: i think you need to configure it to support that issue. |
| 16:06.38 | CalvadoS | hmm how :) |
| 16:06.43 | jeward | Moeen: In my experience, VAIOs are very unfreindly to Linux. |
| 16:07.12 | bipolar | Can anyone in here help me get imagemagick to output an image scaled to 800x600, with aspect ratio preserved and 'dead' space filled in with black? right now it's taking a 200x300 image and scaling it to 400x600, instead of filling in the space to make it actualy 800x600. |
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| 16:07.32 | Moeen | jeward, did you try with a SATA hard disk sony laptop ? |
| 16:07.33 | xoz | CalvadoS: quiet complicated if you do it by hand but there are examples. try exim examples in the /usr/share/doc/exim4 |
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| 16:07.46 | xoz | CalvadoS: a lot of mailservers use this technique. |
| 16:07.47 | jeward | Moeen: No. |
| 16:08.04 | pjv | how do i set clamd to update ? |
| 16:08.05 | jeward | I created a cluster interconnect on my second ethernet card, but it added a default route. How do I get permanently get rid of a default route on a second ethernet interface? |
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| 16:08.54 | xoz | CalvadoS: you gonna make a rule to translate transparently one domain to virtual host domain back to original domain in similar principle to NAT. |
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| 16:09.16 | lorenz | nvidia one liner |
| 16:09.39 | SilverMoonDragon | hi |
| 16:09.51 | CalvadoS | xoz: hmm but receipment will see as user@a.com instead of user @b.com |
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| 16:10.11 | xoz | CalvadoS: no, it is track by the smtp if properly configured. |
| 16:10.16 | chealer9 | !tell lorenz about nvidia one-liner |
| 16:10.32 | CalvadoS | hmm. it will be very hard expeirnce for me thou :) |
| 16:10.33 | lorenz | thanks |
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| 16:10.46 | xoz | CalvadoS: substituting mail from b.com to a.com for outside and back to b.com for deliver back to b |
| 16:10.52 | SilverMoonDragon | i am running sarge on my machine with a samtron 56V monitor. the framebuffer runs at 1024x768 but X does not even though I have manually added it to XF86Config-4 |
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| 16:11.03 | cahoot | bipolar: http://www.cit.gu.edu.au/~anthony/graphics/imagick6/resize/ |
| 16:11.07 | SilverMoonDragon | any ideas on why that is happening |
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| 16:11.17 | jeward | I created a cluster interconnect on my second ethernet card using network-admin, but it added a default route. How do I get permanently get rid of a default route on a second ethernet interface? |
| 16:11.26 | CalvadoS | xoz: than what does that called ? I mean techniq what do I look for on web ? |
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| 16:11.34 | yggdrasil | mmm jack seems to be giving me a fit here.... |
| 16:12.04 | doomsday- | anyone knows a working modem ADSL2 usb for debian 2.4 ? |
| 16:13.30 | jm_ | jeward: the same place where you configured it |
| 16:13.30 | bipolar | cahoot: thanks! |
| 16:13.30 | xoz | CalvadoS: like mail forwarding... but if you read the exim docs, you'll encounter this feature. sendmail also supports it but hacking sendmail is quiet a challenge. |
| 16:13.31 | xoz | CalvadoS: or mail proxy |
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| 16:13.56 | sam_ | is it possible to use dd to just delete the first, say, 1 block from a file? |
| 16:13.56 | sam_ | or do i have to make a full copy and skip=1 (with bs=512) |
| 16:14.01 | jeward | jm_: In network-admin? |
| 16:14.01 | jm_ | jeward: I suppose, so you didn't configure this via interfaces, but rather some other file? |
| 16:14.01 | jeward | jm_: I figured it out. If you don't specify a gateway, it doesn't create a default route. |
| 16:14.02 | jm_ | jeward: right, gateway means default route |
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| 16:14.02 | jeward | jm_: Thanks! |
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| 16:14.02 | cahoot | bipolar: that place is really good |
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| 16:14.05 | erudified | Is packages.debian.org broken? package search doesn't work |
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| 16:14.09 | jm_ | jeward: thank yourself, you figured it out ;) |
| 16:14.09 | jeward | jm_: Now to install OpenSSI! |
| 16:14.19 | jm_ | jeward: do you mean openssl? |
| 16:14.20 | bipolar | cahoot: I'm going to do some reading here. thanks again! |
| 16:14.27 | DHeNNiSe` | hello, can i ask a ques? |
| 16:14.30 | jeward | jm_: Nope! Openssi.org |
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| 16:14.39 | Ronin | DHeNNiSe`: you just did |
| 16:14.40 | jeward | jm_: HA cluster! |
| 16:14.41 | xoz | CalvadoS: or apt-cache search mail relay |
| 16:14.48 | DHeNNiSe` | i am searchin DEBIAN LIVE CD |
| 16:14.48 | yggdrasil | fox or xoz having some problems starting up jack .. i ve got jackctl installed . keep getting cant start |
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| 16:14.56 | Ronin | DHeNNiSe`: no such thing |
| 16:14.57 | DHeNNiSe` | can you give me iso download url ? |
| 16:14.59 | azeem | DHeNNiSe`: there is no official live CD |
| 16:14.59 | CalvadoS | hmm ok |
| 16:15.03 | azeem | DHeNNiSe`: check knoppix |
| 16:15.07 | Ronin | there are live cds based on debian but no debian live cd |
| 16:15.08 | DHeNNiSe` | really :( |
| 16:15.18 | SilverMoonDragon | DHeNNiSe`, there never was and there never will be |
| 16:15.24 | DHeNNiSe` | oK. |
| 16:15.27 | DHeNNiSe` | thanks a lot : ) |
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| 16:15.36 | dbindner | Ubuntu has a live CD that feels like Debian. |
| 16:15.36 | jm_ | jeward: doesn't look like Debian has it packaged |
| 16:16.08 | jeward | jm_: I have to add some lines to sources.list and preferences stanza. |
| 16:16.11 | jm_ | DHeNNiSe`: apt-cache show bootcd |
| 16:16.22 | jm_ | jeward: yeah, possibly someone else packaged it |
| 16:17.06 | abrotman | SilverMoonDragon: actually .. it may be coming |
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| 16:19.07 | SilverMoonDragon | abrotman, what? |
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| 16:19.31 | abrotman | SilverMoonDragon: the Debian liveCD may happen |
| 16:19.37 | Fox | yggdrasil: never installed jackd or ardour, I'm afraid I can't help you |
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| 16:19.58 | JQuazar | I need help with USB thumb drive... what device do I mount please? |
| 16:20.08 | SilverMoonDragon | abrotman, oh. but last time I asked, I was told that it will never happen |
| 16:20.08 | deb31 | can anyone tell me if there is a linux driver for "TW-444UB" usb WiFi nic? the manufacturer only has win32 drivers |
| 16:20.29 | abrotman | SilverMoonDragon: never is a strong word .. |
| 16:20.32 | jm_ | JQuazar: logs will tell you, or use usbmount |
| 16:20.38 | JQuazar | I see my thumb drive triggered log msg "kernel: hub.c: new USB device 00:07.2-1, assigned address 2" |
| 16:20.42 | jm_ | jqa;or /proc/partitions |
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| 16:20.45 | SilverMoonDragon | abrotman, it is indeed |
| 16:20.46 | jm_ | JQuazar ^^^^ |
| 16:20.55 | cahoot | yggdrasil: not even as root? |
| 16:21.07 | abrotman | SilverMoonDragon: let me see if i can find the stuff related |
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| 16:21.35 | xoz | JQuazar: dmesg would provide some info |
| 16:21.54 | null | what is the meaning of "No route to host" in pand (bluetooth)? I've searched but no useful information found. |
| 16:21.54 | xoz | JQuazar: try fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 16:21.59 | yggdrasil | cahoot ... good point ill check into it |
| 16:22.24 | System- | hey guys, where can i get the boot floppies for the net install? |
| 16:22.32 | abrotman | SilverMoonDragon: http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ |
| 16:22.36 | JQuazar | ugh, logs say "scsi: device set offline - not ready or command retry failed after bus reset: host 2 channel 0 id 0 lun 0" |
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| 16:23.19 | xoz | JQuazar: pretty unlucky, huh |
| 16:23.38 | xoz | JQuazar: what kernel version? |
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| 16:23.56 | JQuazar | xoz: yes I'm sad... this is 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 16:23.57 | SilverMoonDragon | abrotman, so there is going to be a live CD |
| 16:24.09 | abrotman | SilverMoonDragon: well .. "giong to be" is also a bit strong .. they seem to be working on it |
| 16:24.11 | xoz | JQuazar: try 2.6 kernel. usb is flaky in 2.4 |
| 16:24.32 | JQuazar | xoz: OK thx I'll do that, gotta take on kernel soon enough anyway. thx. |
| 16:24.44 | System- | System-> hey guys, where can i get the boot floppies for the net install? |
| 16:24.49 | abrotman | !sarge bf |
| 16:24.50 | dpkg | sarge floppies is probably http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitute your arch for i386 |
| 16:24.58 | Ronin | System-: www.debian.org of course |
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| 16:25.27 | System- | i didnt see anywhere to download on there |
| 16:25.32 | yggdrasil | cahoot i dont know... |
| 16:25.34 | incorrect | has anyone here got lm-sensors and snmp working together |
| 16:25.35 | System- | went to a mirror and couldnt find them |
| 16:25.51 | xoz | System-: you can just type in google sarge boot floppy |
| 16:25.52 | jm_ | incorrect: you mean snmp providing data about it? |
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| 16:26.19 | SilverMoonDragon | abrotman, I have been making live CDs for quite some time. including a few from scratch (just for trying). though they did not work very good. can I help? |
| 16:26.23 | System- | didnt know they was called 'sarge', thanks |
| 16:26.28 | abrotman | !info bootcd sarge |
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| 16:26.31 | dpkg | bootcd: (run your system from cd without need for disks), section utils, is extra. Version: 2.48 (sarge), Packaged size: 49 kB, Installed size: 208 kB |
| 16:26.35 | abrotman | SilverMoonDragon: contact them and ask |
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| 16:27.15 | OzN | hi |
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| 16:27.49 | cahoot | yggdrasil: this site may be of use: http://esaracco.free.fr/documentations/linuxaudio/linuxaudio/index.html |
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| 16:28.19 | incorrect | jm_ exactly |
| 16:28.33 | GutterPunk | Hi I'm trying to install VMware workstation. But I've never built the kernel so it can't find a version.h file in the include directory.. Do I have to build my kernel to make things work? |
| 16:28.45 | GutterPunk | Or is there an alternative |
| 16:28.48 | Knorrie | 'lo, i'm running sarge with the 2.6.8-2-686 kernel and i need to use ipt_connmark, what's the best way to go? |
| 16:28.49 | unstable | If you want to play tetris, apt-get install gtetrinet; then start gtetrinet as non-root and connect to tetrinet.debian.net |
| 16:29.20 | incorrect | i have got lm-sensors giving info, i have snmpd running, just don't know what i need to do to get lm-sensors to publish info to snmpd |
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| 16:31.54 | ansimation | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:32.39 | ansimation | eg: 1142937238 |
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| 16:32.55 | Knorrie | unstable: fun :) |
| 16:33.02 | SimonRaven | that's epoch seconds |
| 16:33.08 | jm_ | ansimation: yes |
| 16:33.21 | ansimation | care to tell me how? |
| 16:33.38 | Fox | date +%s |
| 16:33.39 | SilverMoonDragon | GutterPunk, do a make oldconfig in your _original_ (the one that came with the distro) kernel source. |
| 16:33.42 | greench | hello again :) |
| 16:33.55 | Fox | man date |
| 16:33.55 | jm_ | 'info coreutils' -> date has examples |
| 16:33.56 | ansimation | did that |
| 16:33.58 | SilverMoonDragon | GutterPunk, that will generate version.h |
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| 16:34.22 | GutterPunk | SilverMoonDragon, the distro doesn't come with source included... I installed linux-tree-2.6.15 though |
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| 16:35.38 | GutterPunk | I installed linux-headers... that'll do for now :) |
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| 16:36.37 | greench | i`m going to recompile the kernel but when i`m running make menuconfgi there is an error |
| 16:36.40 | greench | scripts/kconfig/mconf.c:91: error: static declaration of 'current_menu' follows non-static declaration |
| 16:36.40 | greench | scripts/kconfig/lkc.h:63: error: previous declaration of 'current_menu' was here |
| 16:36.40 | greench | make[1]: *** [scripts/kconfig/mconf.o] Error 1 |
| 16:36.40 | greench | make: *** [menuconfig] Error 2 |
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| 16:36.57 | greench | can samoone help |
| 16:36.59 | greench | :( |
| 16:37.16 | greench | someone` |
| 16:37.49 | SimonRaven | it's called a bug |
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| 16:38.05 | greench | ok :) |
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| 16:38.21 | StereoSkit | dpkg: ,GPG |
| 16:38.21 | dpkg | it has been said that gpg is the GNU Privacy Guard, a free public-key encryption program available , now in main . or http://www.gnupg.org, but apt-get install gnupg |
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| 16:38.34 | StereoSkit | dpkg: ,GPG ERROR |
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| 16:39.04 | StereoSkit | dpkg: ,2006 key |
| 16:39.04 | dpkg | i guess 2006 key is apt 0.6.43.1 ( now in unstable and testing) includes the 2006 package key. You can also install the key as follow, explicitly trusting this message with no verification: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
| 16:39.05 | SilverMoonDragon | abrotman, sent |
| 16:39.26 | greench | SimonRaven, and what have i to do in this case to recompile the kernel :( |
| 16:39.53 | SimonRaven | recompiling is not going to fix it. a patch will |
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| 16:40.35 | greench | but what patch |
| 16:40.57 | StereoSkit | worked ^_^ |
| 16:41.18 | greench | of |
| 16:41.21 | SimonRaven | google for it |
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| 16:42.37 | thewhite | I want to copy all my id3v2.4 mp3-tags to v1, what linux/debian apps can do that like in a big batch job |
| 16:42.43 | xoz | greench: where did you get this kernel? |
| 16:42.47 | MIKEMAN | is there a url I can use to see if my network card is compatable with network install?? I have an integrated 3C2000 (3com) |
| 16:42.58 | greench | apt-get |
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| 16:43.14 | xoz | greench: apt-get source? |
| 16:43.17 | jm_ | MIKEMAN: it's fine as long as kernel supports it |
| 16:43.21 | tarzeau | which software looks that /dev/cdrom points to the right thing? |
| 16:43.23 | Skrot | Hi. How can I tell Debian to load ipw2200 with the parameter "led=1" when it loads? |
| 16:43.32 | jm_ | tarzeau: installer used to set it |
| 16:43.34 | greench | yes |
| 16:43.41 | tarzeau | jm_: can i restart the part that does? |
| 16:43.46 | xoz | greench: what gcc ? |
| 16:43.57 | jm_ | Skrot: how do you load the module? |
| 16:43.58 | greench | 4 |
| 16:44.00 | jm_ | tarzeau: not that I know |
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| 16:44.04 | MIKEMAN | jm_> how can I check if the kernal supports? is there a url? I have searched on debian, could not find |
| 16:44.15 | Skrot | jm_: It's loaded automagically during boot, so I dunno |
| 16:44.15 | tarzeau | jm_: how can i check if dmesg buffer went away already. /var/log/dmesg*? |
| 16:44.19 | jm_ | MIKEMAN: do you have more details about the card? |
| 16:44.33 | jm_ | tarzeau: yes, grep CD /var/log/dmesg |
| 16:44.35 | xoz | greench: heh, it is more strict. try lower version |
| 16:44.41 | jm_ | Skrot: which version of kernel? |
| 16:44.47 | Skrot | jm_: 2.6.15 |
| 16:44.57 | jm_ | Skrot: via /etc/modprobe.d/foo then |
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| 16:45.12 | tarzeau | jm_: why was it pointing to /dev/sdc instead of hdc? |
| 16:45.22 | monitor | helo |
| 16:45.22 | Stevie | 250 Stevie |
| 16:45.28 | MIKEMAN | jm_> its an integrated card on ASUS board, uses the 3C2000 linux driver (its designed by 3com) |
| 16:45.46 | jm_ | tarzeau: beats me, Potato installer always set it properly for me, haven't checked what Sarge did |
| 16:45.48 | Skrot | jm_: Is it enough to make ipw2200.modprobe and add "options ipw2200 led=1" there? |
| 16:45.58 | Skrot | make as in create a file named |
| 16:46.17 | monitor | helo |
| 16:46.17 | Stevie | 250 Stevie |
| 16:46.18 | tarzeau | jm_: ok thanks |
| 16:46.20 | jm_ | Skrot: yes |
| 16:46.25 | Skrot | jm_: Thanks :) |
| 16:46.42 | jm_ | MIKEMAN: 3C2000, let's see |
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| 16:46.55 | greench | xoz, http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main kernel-source-2.6.8 2.6.8-16sarge1 (tar) [43.9MB] that`s the source i`ve downloaded |
| 16:47.06 | darkness | Say i'm chatting with someone in another chan who wants to put gentoo on his mac ppc box. Can he get help here? I know it's not debain but gentoo is close? |
| 16:47.14 | darkness | If not any ideas for tech help? |
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| 16:47.24 | pipeline | darkness: #gentoo ... |
| 16:47.27 | Fox | gentoo is close to debian ? omg |
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| 16:47.48 | Suprano | How to echo the current time ? |
| 16:47.50 | Ronin | ya darkness #gentoo woudl be perfect |
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| 16:47.51 | jm_ | MIKEMAN: do you have PCI ID-s for it? |
| 16:47.54 | pipeline | Suprano: date |
| 16:48.01 | xoz | greench: try make xconfig? |
| 16:48.14 | SimonRaven | darkness: not even vaguely |
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| 16:48.36 | SimonRaven | xoz: it's a code bug, s/he needs a patch |
| 16:48.45 | MIKEMAN | jm_> I apologize dude, its 3C940 |
| 16:48.56 | Suprano | ah thank you |
| 16:48.59 | xoz | SimonRaven: code bug from the source kernel? |
| 16:49.02 | darkness | I've sent him to #gentoo room. |
| 16:49.13 | SimonRaven | yes, afaik |
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| 16:49.29 | MIKEMAN | jm_> I was just trying to see if you had a url to a compatibility list for the network install cd...?? |
| 16:49.33 | abrotman | 3c950 ? |
| 16:49.34 | widow_ | I've just installed freemind - the error message while starting is as follow's: Error loading class freemind.main.FreeMind: Bad major version number - does anyone know's this message ? |
| 16:49.41 | xoz | SimonRaven: that's odd because it is in security update... |
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| 16:49.58 | jm_ | MIKEMAN: there's no such thing, but try 3c59x driver |
| 16:50.10 | Knorrie | unstable: are you the unstable from tetrinet? |
| 16:50.25 | SimonRaven | scripts/kconfig/mconf.c:91: error: static declaration of 'current_menu' follows non-static declaration; scripts/kconfig/lkc.h:63: error: previous declaration of 'current_menu' was here |
| 16:50.36 | xoz | SimonRaven: can you provide the link? where did you get this info? |
| 16:50.38 | MIKEMAN | jm_> ok, I guess that should work, it should auto detect on network install right? |
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| 16:51.10 | SimonRaven | it's an educated guess based on the info we have from greench |
| 16:51.12 | jm_ | MIKEMAN: yes |
| 16:51.13 | Suprano | --- Valid since Mar 21 17:06:29 2006 GMT to Mar 21 17:06:29 2007 GMT |
| 16:51.13 | Suprano | --- * Cipher info: |
| 16:51.13 | Suprano | --- Version: TLSv1/SSLv3, cipher AES256-SHA (256 bits) |
| 16:51.13 | Suprano | --- Connection failed. Error: certificate is not yet valid.? (9) |
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| 16:51.29 | xoz | SimonRaven: it is possible that gcc-4 is stricter when it comes to declarations. |
| 16:51.35 | SimonRaven | (which is very little so far) |
| 16:51.45 | SimonRaven | xoz: yes, for everything |
| 16:51.54 | MIKEMAN | jm_> thanks for your help, wish they had a compatibility list. I am going to install the second hd now, later |
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| 16:52.02 | xoz | SimonRaven: i don't think the source has the bug. more likely, the gcc he/she is using. |
| 16:52.08 | SimonRaven | ffs many more times are we going to get spammed with pasters ... |
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| 16:52.31 | Suprano | sry i wanted to write this: When connecting to my psybnc i get this message: --- Valid since Mar 21 17:06:29 2006 GMT to Mar 21 17:06:29 2007 GMT --- Connection failed. Error: certificate is not yet valid.? (9) |
| 16:52.34 | Suprano | Date on this server says Di Mar 21 18:50:07 CET 2006 .. my local time is 17:54 ... any ideas ? |
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| 16:52.46 | grendal_prime | anyone run vncserver on boot ...i would like to get the kdm login manager.. |
| 16:52.49 | xoz | greench: try gcc-3.5. if it has similar error, then you better look for another kernel source. |
| 16:53.07 | azeem | gcc-3.5? |
| 16:53.13 | grendal_prime | its a strange request i know..but i have serveral users that want access to a sort of Demo Linux box |
| 16:53.44 | greench | ok i`m going to install a lower version of gcc and i`ll going to tell you later what happened |
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| 16:54.40 | pipeline | grendal_prime: doesn't /usr/share/doc/vncserver explain exactly how to do that ? :P |
| 16:54.53 | pipeline | grendal_prime: Alternatively, edit the Xservers file for KDM to start several instances of vncserver |
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| 16:55.13 | greench | and btw i`m male ;) |
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| 16:55.40 | SimonRaven | ok, he :) |
| 16:56.04 | unstable | Knorrie: yes |
| 16:56.14 | azeem | greench: set your real name in your irc client and people might figure it out automatically ;) |
| 16:56.32 | Knorrie | unstable: nice, didn't know this game exists |
| 16:56.42 | grendal_prime | pipeline, ill check thanks |
| 16:56.44 | unstable | Knorrie: yep, it's a good game. |
| 16:56.45 | xoz | terrible to give advice based on the error without knowing the full context of the code of the program |
| 16:57.20 | unstable | Knorrie: apt-get install supertux armagetron frozen-bubble bzflag |
| 16:57.27 | unstable | Knorrie: Those are all pretty good also. |
| 16:57.31 | Azar | is ntpdate using port 22 to update time? |
| 16:57.39 | pipeline | Knorrie: openttd |
| 16:57.43 | elirips | hello. I am just compiling a new kernel using 'make-kpkg --revision=-20060321-3 kernel_image'. can i simply add a 'modules_image' so that my fglrx module also gets compiled into a nice deb? the source for the module is in /usr/src/modules/fglrx. |
| 16:57.45 | jm_ | Azar: no |
| 16:57.54 | Azar | jm_ thanks |
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| 16:59.43 | kuvkir | hi guys, please help. there is eth1 interface on one of my machine, |
| 16:59.43 | kuvkir | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:59.43 | kuvkir | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:59.43 | kuvkir | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:00.57 | xoz | kuvkir: can ping from that machine to the others? reverse the role. |
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| 17:01.08 | xoz | can you? |
| 17:01.19 | |cronic| | Anyone know of an email server that allows a user to create sub accounts that they manage? |
| 17:01.30 | kuvkir | xoz: no, this machine can't ping another ones |
| 17:01.41 | petemc | |cronic|: any, with the right interface |
| 17:01.52 | |cronic| | petemc: Can you explain a little further? |
| 17:01.58 | xoz | kuvkir: /j #flood |
| 17:02.01 | |cronic| | What interface would I need for say, sendmail or exim? |
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| 17:02.22 | grendal_prime | pipeline, i dont see anything on doing that |
| 17:02.31 | xoz | kuvkir: im waiting in #flood |
| 17:02.36 | petemc | |cronic|: for exim, something that allows your clients to ammend however you control the accounts, be it a flat file or a db |
| 17:02.38 | streuner_ | !nickometer |cronic| |
| 17:02.39 | dpkg | '|cronic|' is 26.000% lame, streuner_ |
| 17:02.49 | grendal_prime | i did find the secion in etc/alternatives/vncserver which i didnt not know existed |
| 17:02.53 | |cronic| | Thanks for that streuner_ |
| 17:02.57 | grendal_prime | sorry did not know |
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| 17:03.15 | pipeline | grendal_prime: IIRC, kdm uses the exact same configuration files as xdm, so you should be able to add things to a file called "Xservers" and have done with it. Perhaps /etc/X11/kdm/Xservers ? |
| 17:03.26 | |cronic| | petemc: Where could I find such an interface? |
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| 17:04.18 | petemc | |cronic|: youd have to search yourself, a friend of mine wrote one, but it was specific to his environment - perhaps vexim has that facility |
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| 17:04.57 | petemc | |cronic|: btw, most people dont like having to type funny characters like pipes to talk to someone... |
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| 17:05.14 | jknife | ohh this is fun |
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| 17:05.55 | jknife | the libfreetype6 pkg for etch doesnt include libfreetype6.so.. well it does but its a broken link |
| 17:06.07 | incorrect | ok i am confused, i do not see how you enable to lm-sensors mib |
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| 17:07.33 | Fox | |cronic|: with postfix you could use postfixadmin but you didn't ask about postfix :) |
| 17:07.40 | spyhome | hello everyone |
| 17:07.48 | ansimation | any ideas how i could use: echo "insert into database.server(uptime) values('<uptime here>')" | /usr/bin/mysql -u $username --password=password database to put the results of 'uptime' in there ? |
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| 17:08.04 | greench | xoz, should i remove the old gcc - 4 ? |
| 17:08.24 | xoz | greench: is it working? |
| 17:08.27 | jm_ | ansimation: did you read any docs on shell scripting? |
| 17:08.46 | greench | m no the same error |
| 17:08.49 | xoz | greench: you don't need to. just link gcc to gcc-whatever version |
| 17:08.51 | Fox | ansimation: wow, why don't you use mysql with -e ? |
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| 17:09.03 | spyhome | i have a newbe question: How can I install y new dvd-burner in my running testing system? Can anybody provide me a good How-To link ? |
| 17:09.23 | jknife | ohh well i'll install a older pkg of freetyoe... |
| 17:09.50 | ansimation | -e does what? |
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| 17:10.35 | Fox | ansimation: did you ever read a man page ? |
| 17:10.38 | xoz | greench: and it uses a lower gcc version? |
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| 17:11.03 | greench | yes i`ve just installed gcc-3.4 |
| 17:11.18 | ansimation | i dont see -e in the man page |
| 17:11.18 | xoz | greench: what is gcc -v returns for the version? |
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| 17:11.41 | greench | gcc version 4.0.3 (Debian 4.0.3-1) |
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| 17:12.31 | Fox | ansimation: which man page did you look at ? |
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| 17:13.25 | ansimation | man mysql |
| 17:13.30 | loxley_ | ansimation: also there is uptimed |
| 17:13.56 | jknife | what package is libfreetype.co.6 in b/c it is not in libfreetype6... i have tried 3diff packages and still nothing |
| 17:13.58 | Fox | and you don't see the -e switch ? --execute=statement, -e statement |
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| 17:14.23 | jknife | !tell jknife about libfreetype6 |
| 17:14.34 | Fox | what do we do when people don't know how to make a search in a man page ? :) |
| 17:14.48 | d0uglas | man man? |
| 17:14.58 | Fox | man man, man ! :) |
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| 17:15.28 | xoz | greench: that is still version 4. cd /usr/bin/ |
| 17:15.31 | d0uglas | woah it actually works |
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| 17:15.57 | jknife | ahhhh dpkg says its in libfreetype6 uhmmm |
| 17:15.58 | xoz | greench: ln -s gcc-3.4 gcc |
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| 17:16.27 | greench | ln: `gcc': File exists |
| 17:16.28 | spyhome | any help? please? |
| 17:16.48 | jm_ | spyhome: there's nothing to install |
| 17:16.51 | xoz | greench: rm gcc |
| 17:16.58 | xoz | greench: then ln again |
| 17:17.08 | ansimation | man. my vision is blurry. for some reason i thought that was a 'c' and earlier i couldnt distinguish a } and ) |
| 17:17.08 | ansimation | ;/ |
| 17:17.16 | greench | ready |
| 17:17.21 | xoz | set go.... |
| 17:17.56 | xoz | greench: btw, menuconfig is the one that uses kde? |
| 17:18.39 | d0uglas | You know how it is when you're walking up the stairs, and you get to the top, and you think there's one more step? |
| 17:18.43 | d0uglas | I'm like that all the time. |
| 17:18.53 | greench | one sec to install ncurses-devel |
| 17:18.55 | Fox | ansimation: have a sleep and come back later :) |
| 17:19.28 | xoz | greench: yep. you need ncurses. install also auto-apt |
| 17:19.38 | ansimation | Fox: sounds like a plan. |
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| 17:22.29 | greench | xoz THANKS a lot!!! it works! |
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| 17:23.57 | xoz | SimonRaven: you see the problem if you are not familiar with the ABI change from gcc-3.4 to gcc-4? |
| 17:24.19 | xoz | giving bad advice is worst than having no advice .... |
| 17:24.56 | xoz | greench: just got lucky i guess :) |
| 17:25.03 | xoz | gtr |
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| 17:25.14 | greench | yep ;) |
| 17:25.19 | ansimation | tballard@dopehouse:~$ echo $USERNAME |
| 17:25.21 | grendal_prime | grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
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| 17:25.30 | ansimation | shouldn't that output the logged in user? |
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| 17:25.51 | Fox | ansimation: logname |
| 17:25.53 | xoz | greench: but it is impossible for the maintainer in security to post a source kernel that doesnt compile as SimonRaven believes... the community will notice it i think. |
| 17:26.00 | rvsjoen | or 'whoami' |
| 17:26.11 | Fox | or 'id' |
| 17:26.14 | rvsjoen | :P |
| 17:26.28 | xoz | greench: and kernel people do advice to stick with 2.95 or 3.0 gcc to avoid surprises. |
| 17:26.56 | grendal_prime | if i could just start the damn vncserver at boot that would work..with a boot script..and as a specific user...whats the command to fire up an app as a different user -U ? |
| 17:27.12 | greench | thats right |
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| 17:29.21 | xoz | greench: and the problem is not the kernel itself but the files related to configuration which is independent of the real kernel. |
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| 17:31.27 | fluxdude | if I do nohup command && command is only the first one nohupped? |
| 17:32.14 | nvz | fluxdude: yes |
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| 17:32.47 | fluxdude | if I do nohup command && nohup command, then log off, how does the && work since there is no longer a shell? |
| 17:32.56 | stew | fluxdude: you could nohup sh -c "cmd && cmd" |
| 17:33.06 | grendal_prime | i actually have it set up to fire up via inetd, but i cant get the correct wm to work..meaning the kde desktop |
| 17:33.10 | fluxdude | thanks guys |
| 17:33.14 | stew | fluxdude: or put the commands into a shell script and nohup that |
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| 17:34.13 | jknife | ok... somethin is effed uped... i even tried a Ubuntu pkg pf libfreetype and i STILL do not have libfreetype.so.6... any ideas? |
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| 17:34.38 | xoz | jknife: apt-file search <file> |
| 17:34.40 | nvz | fluxdude: proof of concept, open xterm, run nohup xmessage "nohup" && xmessage "hup", press okay, twice, then do it again and then close the xterm, and after pressing okay on "nohup", "hup" never appears |
| 17:35.03 | jknife | bash: apt-file: command not found |
| 17:35.16 | stew | jknife: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 17:35.22 | xoz | !tell jknife about search |
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| 17:36.15 | FoxAFK | bye |
| 17:37.12 | nvz | man its only been like 4 months and my cell phone battery is already looking shitty.. Its been pretty much on standby with all lights off for the past few days and its down to one bar.. it should still have a full charge, I havent even used it :P |
| 17:37.25 | greench | xoz, i`ve a new problem - a new error unload 1 module run make and there`s error {standard input}:1203: Error: suffix or operands invalid for `mov' make[1]: *** [arch/i386/kernel/process.o] Error 1 |
| 17:37.26 | greench | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:37.26 | greench | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:37.57 | jknife | greench: bad asm code :P |
| 17:37.59 | nvz | thing charges way too quick too.. I keep "topping it off" unplugging it, snapping some photos, making some prank calls and then charging it again after it says its done :P |
| 17:38.21 | xoz | greench: this is during compiling? |
| 17:38.37 | nvz | its not to the point I am running out and getting a new phone or battery, but I can tell its degrading :P |
| 17:38.41 | greench | yes |
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| 17:40.08 | xoz | greench: it seems related to asm... maybe you should try gcc-2.95 :). can you try the unpatched kernel source? the .orig.gz one? |
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| 17:40.20 | rlifchitz | if you're interested in computer security : http://www.nuitduhack.com/ndh-3392U1/ |
| 17:40.25 | rlifchitz | you are all welcome |
| 17:40.33 | Ronin | for what rlifchitz ? |
| 17:40.45 | rlifchitz | have a look |
| 17:41.01 | greench | xoz, i`m with .orig.gz |
| 17:41.08 | Ronin | why? think ill pass on that |
| 17:41.30 | greench | kernel-source-2.6.8_2.6.8.orig.tar.gz |
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| 17:41.40 | xoz | greench: when you apt-source the kernel source, the one in the dir contains the patched version by debian while the one with orig, is the prepatch version. if you extract it and it has similar problem, we are back to square one. if it works, the patched one is the problem. |
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| 17:41.57 | blondie | hm |
| 17:41.58 | CcSsNET | nvz try leaving it on till its as low as possible while not charging it from now on, then when its about to die or is dead then charge it till its full |
| 17:42.05 | CcSsNET | thats the best for any battery |
| 17:42.13 | rlifchitz | Ronin: it's a big computer security meeting |
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| 17:42.26 | jknife | ok... i did apt-file search libfreetype.so.6 it said it is in libfreetype6 so i did apt-get install libfreetype6... BUT there is no libfreetype.so.6 on my hard drive... is there a way to extract a deb file and copy it over seeing how the pkg is already installed? |
| 17:42.36 | xoz | greench: apt-source combines the orig with the patch and create the dir where you are right now, i believe. it you untar the orig, it is a differnt dir. |
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| 17:43.34 | _AR_ | What programm in Linux support LabelFlash-tehnology? Or this programm does not exist? |
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| 17:43.58 | roler | does linux truly utilize a intel dual core cpu? Or do the applications ahve to be recompiled in SMP? |
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| 17:44.03 | usan | i am not finding grub.conf ! where is it? |
| 17:44.27 | jknife | n/m |
| 17:44.27 | greench | ok and what am i supposed to do now - download the orig from kernel.org |
| 17:44.30 | jknife | dpkg -X |
| 17:44.35 | cahoot | usan: menu.lst |
| 17:44.55 | xoz | roler: it is not recompiling only. to take advantage of dual core, the program should be multithreaded. |
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| 17:45.12 | xoz | s/only// |
| 17:45.47 | jknife | yay.. now anyone know why it was not installing the files for it? |
| 17:45.48 | roler | xoz; well are many programs multithreaded? |
| 17:45.53 | abrotman | not many |
| 17:46.12 | nvz | CcSsNET: thats what I normally do. I leave my phone on always.. its pretty much been on since I bought it, except reboots due to software problems or reprogramming.. and I dont charge it unless it needs it. but once the light turns green and it stops charging doesnt seem to last as long anymore. even when not being used. |
| 17:46.25 | usan | cahoot, thanks |
| 17:46.50 | nvz | I was gonna get the bigger battery they make for it, but it would probably cause it not to fit in my case and in a few months it would be just as bad |
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| 17:48.07 | xoz | roler: web browser, audio/video encoding/decoding/burning/, graphics rendering, downloading, etc... but wordprocessing/editing/office apps are seldom multithreaded. gimp and photoediting will be multithreaded in the processing of images. multimedia apps and programs that can do parallel programming or MPI/PVM. |
| 17:48.13 | nvz | pretty much gotta leave the phone on always, since I made them take off PCS eMail, and PCS Voicemail. |
| 17:48.16 | tuxedup | sorry for the newbie question but, i used the netinstall method to get etch and it gave me a 486 kernel, however im running a 686 machine, a 2.6 celeron. Would i gaim anything noticable from using a the 2.6.15 kernel compiled for 686 machines? thanks inadvance |
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| 17:48.42 | nvz | heh, the girl thought I was "funny" when I explained to her why I didnt want those features and how I never asked for them |
| 17:48.45 | CcSsNET | nvz theres something called "developing a memory" thats something older battery's used to do but even todays batterys can do it, depends how cheap it is and what its made of "usually meaning its cheap" but a way to fix such a problem on older batterys was to give it a higher voltage not much more but some, i recommend researching that if your curios but as for a phone good luck actually trying that, the phone may be to sensitive to a |
| 17:49.11 | CcSsNET | difrent* |
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| 17:49.55 | xoz | tuxedup: 2.6.15-686|386 not much different but 2.4 vs 2.6... better latency and response in 2.6 |
| 17:50.02 | roler | xoz; my 3GHZ Pentium 4 HT laptop died and i'm trying to see if for me, a 1.8gig Core Duo system would be faster... I just enabled the SMT stuff the other day which was pretty fun |
| 17:50.39 | CcSsNET | ok well im leaving good luck nvz |
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| 17:50.48 | stew | CcSsNET: you are thinking of voltage depression |
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| 17:51.00 | stew | CcSsNET: and there is no easy way to fix it |
| 17:51.02 | mariveva | ciao |
| 17:51.11 | stew | CcSsNET: memory effects only happen with sattelites |
| 17:51.12 | tuxedup | so i wouldnt gain anything from the 2.6.15 486 to the same but compield for 686, well nothing id notice on a dektop machine? |
| 17:51.12 | _AR_ | What programm in Linux support LabelFlash-tehnology for create picture on work-surface of DVD-disks ? Or this programm does not exist? |
| 17:51.19 | nvz | the PCS eMail is useless cause they choose the user name and thus the email address without consulting with me, and it doesnt recieve .net or .org emails, so its pretty much just an unwanted spam recepticle.. most spam comes from .com. and the Voicemail is just as equal an aggrivation.. people who dont know me and have no business calling my private number leaving me voice memos that I dont ever plan on checking.. |
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| 17:51.52 | mariveva | ciao a tutti chi parla italiano? |
| 17:51.56 | doccae | !it |
| 17:51.57 | stew | !it |
| 17:51.57 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 17:51.59 | nvz | the problem was that they cant disable the "feature" on the phone that annoys the shit out of me everytime I get an email or voicemail. So I told them to disable the services or I will find another phone company |
| 17:52.13 | fluxdude | is there a way of browsing windows shares via the command line, the equiv of windows "net view machinename"? |
| 17:52.23 | CcSsNET | stew maybe right, but i have seen that work, raising the voltage a tad |
| 17:52.23 | xoz | roler: dual will have better desktop response if the OS is programmed properly. it scales better also for running several processes. |
| 17:53.02 | roler | interesting |
| 17:53.13 | abrotman | !samb |
| 17:53.14 | abrotman | !samba |
| 17:53.14 | dpkg | somebody said samba was a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html , or http://www.samba.org , or #samba, or read O'Reilly's book online (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html) |
| 17:53.36 | CcSsNET | i run a dual proc, it runs faster then my friends amd 2600 |
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| 17:53.41 | CcSsNET | here is its stats |
| 17:53.42 | CcSsNET | CcSsNET's P3 Stats: |
| 17:53.43 | CcSsNET | Hostname: lauder - OS: Linux 2.6.8-2-686-smp/i686 - Distro: Debian 3.1 - CPU: 2 x Pentium III (Coppermine) (999.865 MHz) - Processes: 85 - Uptime: 25d 11h 38m - Users: 2 - Load Average: 2.00 - Memory Usage: 274.05MB/1011.76MB (27.09%) - Disk Usage: 17.73GB/25.59GB (69.31%) |
| 17:53.43 | CcSsNET | /dev/md0 26G 18G 6.1G 75% / |
| 17:53.43 | CcSsNET | md0 is a RAID 0 on 3 10,000 RPM SCSI drives |
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| 17:53.49 | CcSsNET | damn kick bot |
| 17:53.51 | xoz | roler: the main bottleneck is the communication between the two processors. that's why even apple dual core has 600 plus FSB. |
| 17:53.51 | stew | CcSsNET: with a sattellite you *might* get a memory effect becuase they charge and discharge to exactly the same points all the time becuase they have such a perfectly periodic charge discharge cycle, due to the regularity of their orbit |
| 17:53.52 | CcSsNET | thingy |
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| 17:54.21 | xoz | roler: 6x faster from the 166 mhz FSB before. |
| 17:54.26 | jknife | brb |
| 17:54.42 | CcSsNET | ok really im leaving now lol peace |
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| 17:54.56 | scenestar | lo |
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| 17:55.16 | nvz | at least with normal email and picture/voice mail you dont have a portable annoyance device with built in gps and tri-band transciever that bugs you about checking your spam every where you go. and you can use that address for business/personal as well.. but everone I talk to either has an ISP email (.net) or a non-profit one (.org) and my spam recepticle only takes commercial emails (.com) spam. |
| 17:55.52 | xoz | nvz: phone unit here is free with email and web browsing built-in. |
| 17:56.00 | scenestar | if i were to apply fbsplash-0.9.2-r5-2.6.16-rc2.patch to the new 2.6.16 kernel, would it be applied properly or not |
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| 17:56.23 | scenestar | along with the 2.6.16ck1 patchset |
| 17:56.31 | CcSsNET | heh i spoted the word tri-band you mean the thing that allows them to actually pin point your location? hehe 3 satalities gives the triangle effect more or less giving your exact position give or take whatever ammount |
| 17:56.42 | cahoot | scenestar: add --dry-run to see |
| 17:56.48 | CcSsNET | i think they go and rename it gps and claim it a new feature i dunno lol |
| 17:56.52 | CcSsNET | ok bye all lol |
| 17:56.56 | roler | xoz; ya |
| 17:56.56 | idshells | ppl, is there any way how to limit the 'ps' command without touching the kernel |
| 17:57.00 | CcSsNET | pm me if im wrong id like to know |
| 17:57.26 | nvz | xoz: yeah mine has all that, but I made them disable the email address and the voicemail box.. cause they are absolutly useless.. the calling in and fighting with an automated pain in the ass for voicemail is less than ideal, not to mention my friends would contact me via text message or irc or something.. and the email only accepts spam.. |
| 17:57.29 | scenestar | cahoot, thank you |
| 17:57.34 | nvz | xoz: I kept the web browsing though |
| 17:57.39 | nvz | and the text messaging |
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| 17:57.55 | idshells | i mean, without patching the kernel |
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| 17:58.02 | scenestar | yeah |
| 17:58.05 | scenestar | i know what it does |
| 17:58.06 | xoz | nvz: the cellphone here is only 1 yen. |
| 17:58.06 | demon_bot | delete it |
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| 17:58.23 | nvz | xoz: damn, they paid me one cent for mine |
| 17:58.23 | xoz | nvz: but they kill you with the monthly payment :) |
| 17:58.38 | idshells | ppl, is there any way how to limit the 'ps' command without recompile the kernel |
| 17:59.01 | xoz | idshells: limit? what do you mean? |
| 17:59.03 | scenestar | idshells, more liekly you are supposed to recompile ps |
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| 17:59.32 | scenestar | and quit spamming, it really makes me want to not help you |
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| 17:59.54 | idshells | xoz: user only see their own process |
| 18:00.10 | nvz | xoz: yeah well they dont even understand "monthly" here. they had me paying for several months.. and if I recieve a bill this month the gloves are comming off. with what I paid them last month I should be paid thru the end of May and I dont plan on making another payment until then. |
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| 18:00.13 | xoz | idshells: they can also see /proc |
| 18:00.32 | gahan | is there a way to check what application is currently using swap memory/whats currently kept in swap? |
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| 18:00.57 | idshells | xoz: yup, unless change the permission for the /proc/[0-9] |
| 18:01.05 | jm_ | idhsel;you need kernel patches, such as RSBAC or grsecurity (which includes RSBAC AFAIK) |
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| 18:01.39 | idshells | jm_: i have a custom kernel (Xen) on my VPS server |
| 18:01.39 | nvz | CcSsNET: no tri-band as in the reciever operates on 3 frequencies |
| 18:02.04 | jm_ | idshells: that doesn't change anything |
| 18:02.13 | nvz | CcSsNET: so that no matter where you go it will find some network on some frequency to relay the call |
| 18:02.18 | xoz | gahan: i used gtop before... but top? |
| 18:02.49 | idshells | jm_: its a dedicated server hosting, i can't patch the kernel without noc support |
| 18:03.06 | nvz | CcSsNET: the GPS locator is completly separate and I disabled mine. Emergency services is suppose to be able to re-enable it.. but I am wililng to bet my bottom dollar they dont have the ability to do so.. |
| 18:03.12 | jm_ | idshells: I see, well then you can't do it |
| 18:03.20 | xoz | gahan: or gnome-system-monitor. kde has its own also |
| 18:03.42 | idshells | jm_: non sysctl workaround ? |
| 18:03.50 | idshells | s/non/no |
| 18:03.58 | xoz | idshells: don't install ps :) |
| 18:03.59 | leOn | is there anything wrong with tar from sarge ? |
| 18:04.01 | jm_ | idshells: not with vanialla kernels |
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| 18:04.30 | leOn | i'm not being able to backup stuff with tar using --rsh-command=ssh |
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| 18:04.44 | idshells | xoz: i should replace the ps with shell script and parse the output |
| 18:05.05 | leOn | bash: line 1: /usr/libexec/rmt: No such file or directory |
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| 18:06.51 | tombs | hi all |
| 18:07.00 | aronofsky | hi guys , i was wondering , what is the best way to upgrade from stable to testing , actually i was doin aptitude dist-upgrade , but i was reading some different things about the subject ( apt , aptitude , dselect ... ) is my way ok ? |
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| 18:07.16 | xoz | leOn: the moment you give a person a shell account. you gotta trust him unless you install some grsecurity... but still, a shell account needs *trust* |
| 18:07.16 | bartden | hi, i have a file with these flags, prwxr-xr-x 1 root root 0 2006-03-19 12:43 splashy.fifo how can i make it readable, and what does the p mean ? |
| 18:07.59 | leOn | xoz: huh? |
| 18:08.06 | abrotman | !tell aronofsky about sarge->etch |
| 18:08.10 | xoz | leOn: err |
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| 18:08.54 | xoz | leOn: that was for idshells who quit |
| 18:08.54 | eeyore- | bartden: it's a pipe |
| 18:08.55 | aronofsky | abrotman, ok thx |
| 18:08.58 | bujin | hi |
| 18:09.03 | leOn | looks like alternative for rmt is fscked up |
| 18:09.08 | eeyore- | bartden: if there's no data going into it, there will be no data coming out of it |
| 18:09.14 | bartden | ah k |
| 18:09.24 | nvz | bartden: its a pipe |
| 18:09.29 | Azar | aronofsky: http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2005/12/concise-apt-get-dpkg-primer-for-new.html |
| 18:09.42 | micsoza | cual es el canal en español????????????? |
| 18:09.47 | Azar | !es |
| 18:09.47 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:09.54 | xoz | what a horrible file-naming |
| 18:10.15 | bujin | im using using debian stable... and i wanna install apache 2.2 when i use the command apt-cache show apache2 it just show me version 2.0 |
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| 18:10.43 | bujin | is there any way i could install version 2.2 of apache? |
| 18:10.46 | nvz | thats how the pipe works, if you dont put anything in it, there's nothing to smoke |
| 18:11.00 | gahan | xoz: thx |
| 18:11.08 | bipolar | Anyone know how to stop my laptop lcd screen from going blank? I have the nodpms option in xfree's config, but it still goes blank. the backlight stays on though. |
| 18:11.21 | stew | bipolar: /msg dpkg screen blanking |
| 18:11.26 | nvz | bipolar: xset s off |
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| 18:11.50 | bipolar | thanks guys! |
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| 18:12.00 | eeyore- | bipolar: "goes blank" sounds like a simple blank screensaver in your desktop (gnome?) |
| 18:12.03 | nvz | no problem, dont forget to take your medication. |
| 18:12.12 | eeyore- | bipolar: because if it's dpms-off then the backlight would have gone off as well |
| 18:12.14 | bipolar | eeyore-: no DE. raw X. |
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| 18:12.23 | Menthor | hello |
| 18:12.24 | bipolar | eeyore-: this "laptop" is now a picture frame. :) |
| 18:12.31 | eeyore- | bipolar: you sure it's not set in the bios? |
| 18:12.34 | Menthor | i have some trouble lookin for an Multimedia Linux for convertind and encoding..any suggestions ? |
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| 18:12.47 | bipolar | eeyore-: didn't see any option for it in bios |
| 18:12.56 | zinx | bipolar: you should know that the backlight in LCDs will go bad |
| 18:13.08 | eeyore- | bipolar: nothing in the ACPI / powersave, nothing about vga suspend? |
| 18:13.09 | bipolar | zinx: eh.. it was cheap :) |
| 18:13.10 | zinx | bipolar: especially if you leave it on all the time |
| 18:13.20 | eeyore- | zinx: they all go bad |
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| 18:13.40 | eeyore- | zinx: but they can usually be replaced |
| 18:13.41 | greench | xoz, i`ve downloaded the orig kernel - http://security.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/k/kernel-source-2.6.8/kernel-source-2.6.8_2.6.8.orig.tar.gz |
| 18:13.48 | greench | but again error |
| 18:13.50 | nvz | maybe lcds are just bad by nature, and they just go lcd on you after a while |
| 18:13.51 | eeyore- | zinx: or upgraded to one with higher intensity |
| 18:13.52 | xoz | bipolar: usually when you press the key to enable the external vga console, and press it more... it goes blnk. |
| 18:14.08 | xoz | greench: still same error? |
| 18:14.15 | greench | yes :( |
| 18:14.25 | xoz | greench: use 2.95 |
| 18:14.37 | bipolar | looks like it's just the X screen saver default. |
| 18:14.40 | xoz | greench: are you running sarge? |
| 18:14.45 | greench | yes |
| 18:14.52 | zinx | eeyore-: the last thing many of them need is higher intensity.. some of those things are blinding |
| 18:15.22 | eeyore- | zinx: i am thinking about upgrading the backlight to be daylight readable :-) |
| 18:15.29 | xoz | try 2.95. i am still wondering what happened to your system that it cannot compile the standard kernel... |
| 18:15.54 | eeyore- | bipolar: there are two "dpms" settings, potentially. one in the monitor section and possibly one in the video card section if yours support it |
| 18:16.17 | bipolar | eeyore-: it's the x screen saver. dpms is disabled. |
| 18:16.20 | greench | xoz, will i remove the 3.4? |
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| 18:17.09 | eeyore- | bipolar: "xset q" |
| 18:17.13 | xoz | greench: no need. unless your space is tight. just remove the link and ln to 2.95 in /usr/bin/gcc .. by the way, you better ln also g++-2.95 to make it balance. |
| 18:17.29 | bipolar | eeyore-: yeah, I've already been there. it's fixed :) |
| 18:17.39 | eeyore- | bipolar: "xset -dpms" |
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| 18:18.02 | eeyore- | bipolar: odd. didn't you say you put option "dpms" "off" in your config file? |
| 18:18.15 | xoz | greench: you use make-kpkg? or make dep; make clean; make bzimage... |
| 18:18.16 | Menthor | quinlan: is it anyone from Europe/Roumania ? |
| 18:18.30 | greench | just make |
| 18:18.45 | Menthor | cause i need the last Debian on dvd or cd Sarge and i can't get it from internet > slow connections 4 11 cd |
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| 18:19.00 | rajulocal | Are there any alternatives to kruler? |
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| 18:19.05 | roler | xoz; thanks |
| 18:19.05 | bipolar | eeyore-: dpms is disabled. that was not the problem. the problem was the X screen saver. I ran 'xset s off' and it's working the way I want it to now. thanks. |
| 18:19.15 | crazy_penguin | Menthor: i'm from Romania |
| 18:19.16 | Skrot | Hi. Whick package do I reconfigure to change the global timezone of my system? |
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| 18:19.22 | Menthor | ok |
| 18:19.28 | rajulocal | Skrot: tzconfig I think |
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| 18:20.21 | Skrot | thanks |
| 18:20.41 | eeyore- | Skrot: /etc/localtime |
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| 18:21.07 | eeyore- | bipolar: how did you mount the laptop? |
| 18:21.08 | greench | xoz, again |
| 18:21.19 | abrotman | xoz: pervert! |
| 18:21.29 | eeyore- | bipolar: i've been looking for a deep enough shadowbox to put the monitor in (i would probably have to take the casing off) |
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| 18:22.27 | bipolar | eeyore-: I used 2 peices of glass. I double side taped the lcd to the inside piece. the MB is DS taped to the back of the lcd. basicly, it's all taped together :) |
| 18:22.54 | eeyore- | bipolar: not afraid of what happens the day the tape gives way? :-) |
| 18:22.56 | bipolar | eeyore-: I used 2 peices of glass so that I can put a matte between them to hide the edges of the ldc. |
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| 18:23.07 | bipolar | eeyore-: not this stuff.... it's no comming off. |
| 18:24.03 | bipolar | eeyore-: my bigest fear is that I might have to take it apart... that will be really, really hard. |
| 18:24.03 | eeyore- | bipolar: you took the lcd out of its casing right? |
| 18:24.03 | bipolar | eeyore-: yes |
| 18:24.19 | nvz | xoz: hmm.. I wouldnt waste my energy on that.. wrestling is so much more fun with a sexy chic |
| 18:24.42 | abrotman | nvz: maybe his inflatable date doubles as a bed? |
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| 18:24.48 | nvz | heh |
| 18:24.49 | greench | xoz, do you have any other ideas :(? |
| 18:24.54 | tarzeau | someone's got a quake pak unpacker? |
| 18:25.02 | scenestar | right, so applying a 2.6.16.rc2 patch doesnt work to the latest 2.6.16 kerne |
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| 18:25.05 | eeyore- | bipolar: another idea i have is to go with plexiglass, and expose the electronics (well, put it in full view) |
| 18:25.11 | nvz | abrotman: oh well.. the real thing is better. |
| 18:25.13 | scenestar | is there any way i can either rewrite it or make it work? |
| 18:25.22 | eeyore- | bipolar: wouldn't want to expose the inverter section :-) |
| 18:25.27 | abrotman | nvz: we can't all be babe magnets like you |
| 18:25.43 | nvz | abrotman: haha.. I havent wrestled with anyone since I left Cara's |
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| 18:26.00 | nvz | abrotman: and she didnt play fair, cause the dog was on her side. |
| 18:26.06 | bipolar | eeyore-: could be... I just went to WalMart and got a 8x10 frame, and another deep 8x10 to glue to the back of it for the needed depth. |
| 18:26.14 | abrotman | nvz: too bad she's a crack head :) |
| 18:26.21 | scenestar | hey |
| 18:26.24 | scenestar | my ex was |
| 18:26.25 | nvz | abrotman: yeah but she's fun. |
| 18:26.27 | scenestar | well |
| 18:26.29 | scenestar | methhead |
| 18:26.32 | abrotman | nvz: and hot? |
| 18:26.34 | eeyore- | eeew |
| 18:26.52 | nvz | abrotman: yeah shes sexy too. |
| 18:26.54 | rosa | hola |
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| 18:26.59 | abrotman | eeyore-: you have no room to talk .. your head is filled with stuffing |
| 18:27.13 | eeyore- | abrotman: huh? |
| 18:27.15 | rosa | como te llamas |
| 18:27.15 | abrotman | nvz: pictures! |
| 18:27.17 | nvz | abrotman: oh well, I cant ever win.. I am too picky.. they dont seem to make the kind of girl I am looking for |
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| 18:27.28 | abrotman | eeyore-: you know .. the eeyore from pooh .. stuffed animal? |
| 18:27.29 | abrotman | !es |
| 18:27.29 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:27.33 | rosa | soy española |
| 18:27.35 | eeyore- | abrotman: oh |
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| 18:27.47 | abrotman | !tell rosa about es |
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| 18:28.03 | Gulligan | !msg dpkg dpkg |
| 18:28.16 | azeem | Gulligan: please /msg the bot |
| 18:28.21 | Gulligan | yeah did that |
| 18:28.23 | vrt | slash and not ! |
| 18:28.25 | abrotman | or at least learn how to use the bot :) |
| 18:28.34 | Gulligan | i'm having an problem :S my dpkg is uninstalled |
| 18:28.39 | nvz | abrotman: I had pictures but I figured it would be better to get rid of them and not dwell on that. |
| 18:28.42 | Gulligan | and i can't use the apt-get to install it :S |
| 18:28.49 | abrotman | nvz: get new ones! |
| 18:28.49 | azeem | Gulligan: you're having a pretty big problem then |
| 18:29.01 | abrotman | Gulligan: are you running debian or something else? |
| 18:29.07 | Gulligan | yeah i know... anyone know any manual installation routine |
| 18:29.13 | azeem | Gulligan: boot from a live CD, mount your Debian partition, and untar it from somewhere |
| 18:29.13 | Gulligan | i'm running debian |
| 18:29.19 | abrotman | how did you remove dpkg ? |
| 18:29.32 | azeem | Gulligan: http://ftp.debian.org/project/dpkg/ |
| 18:29.38 | Gulligan | had problems with e2fsprogs |
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| 18:29.46 | Gulligan | so i unstalled it and installed it |
| 18:29.47 | abrotman | !e2fsprogs loop |
| 18:29.48 | dpkg | hmm... e2fsprogs loop is you are running packages which are older than the current debian stable and are trying to upgrade to debian testing which isn't supported, edit /etc/apt/sources.list and replace "testing" or "etch" or "unstable" with "stable" then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade; then if you still want testing, edit sources.list again, and change stable to testing and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 18:30.06 | nvz | abrotman: pfft.. get some pictures of her driving her stupidity around.. cause I know Jesse didnt buy her that Mini Cooper, he's probably gotten tired of her already.. hes a slob, she likes things clean and organized.. |
| 18:30.38 | Azar | uh is possible going back this way? |
| 18:30.39 | abrotman | nvz: oh .. a neat freak crack head .. that must be entertaining to watch :) |
| 18:30.46 | Gulligan | azeem i can't boot an live cd as i don't have physical access to the puter :S |
| 18:31.01 | azeem | Gulligan: then download it and untar it |
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| 18:31.06 | abrotman | ar x |
| 18:31.10 | azeem | makes more sense anyway |
| 18:31.23 | azeem | abrotman: http://ftp.debian.org/project/dpkg/ has tarballs by design |
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| 18:32.52 | nvz | abrotman: yeah.. well you'd just have to visit that town and meet some of the locals to understand that you can put anyone there and they will inevitably develop bad habbits.. |
| 18:32.54 | ecliptik | what would cause my screen to blank on boot after "Booting the kernel" but then come up to X just fine? |
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| 18:33.01 | tuv | which jvm is better for running eclipse: gnu's gij or sun's jdk? |
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| 18:34.11 | endeavormac | so as far as i can tell from reading, sound is not yet supported on the new(ish) g4 powerbooks? |
| 18:34.12 | abrotman | azeem: ar x! |
| 18:34.29 | Knorrie | anyone knows the best way to get CONNMARK - iptables CONNMARK target and connmark match working with a Sarge 2.6.8 kernel? |
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| 18:34.55 | azeem | abrotman: that's fine as well |
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| 18:36.12 | Gulligan | azeem didn't look like it needs an install only untar it... but i still have problems with apt it says dpkg returns an error |
| 18:36.37 | azeem | Gulligan: then, download the .deb and reinstall it with dpkg -i dpkg*.deb |
| 18:36.57 | abrotman | how can dpkg return an error if it doesn't exist? |
| 18:36.58 | azeem | at this point, I concede downloading the .deb in the first place and using ar x etc. is less trouble |
| 18:37.10 | Gulligan | abrotman it exists now as i untard it |
| 18:37.11 | azeem | abrotman: he untarred it |
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| 18:37.18 | abrotman | this is going to go badly |
| 18:37.24 | Agentj87 | hi |
| 18:37.27 | Agentj87 | got a quick question |
| 18:37.40 | azeem | hi Agentj87 |
| 18:37.55 | Agentj87 | can wget be used to download multiple files at once or must do one at a time? |
| 18:38.10 | Gulligan | azeem is it alright to pm you and get help that way? as it is kinda blurry here :P *and a little embarrassed* |
| 18:38.18 | abrotman | you can use -b to download in the background .. |
| 18:38.19 | azeem | Gulligan: no |
| 18:38.25 | Gulligan | azeem oki :S |
| 18:38.29 | azeem | I'm supposed to work, actually, sorry |
| 18:38.30 | abrotman | i mean you can start as many as you want .. but it won't thread itself |
| 18:38.53 | azeem | Gulligan: do you have a webbrowser available? |
| 18:39.00 | Agentj87 | «abrotman» thanks u mean like wget -b link |
| 18:39.01 | Agentj87 | ? |
| 18:39.03 | greench | xoz, i`ve fixed the problem with one patch :) 10x again for the help and hf |
| 18:39.06 | greench | bye! |
| 18:39.07 | greench | :) |
| 18:39.09 | abrotman | Agentj87: that will put it in the background |
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| 18:39.15 | azeem | if so, go to http://packages.debian.org/dpkg and download the right package for your arch and Debian version |
| 18:39.16 | abrotman | probably want to use -c too |
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| 18:39.25 | Agentj87 | which does? |
| 18:40.01 | abrotman | Agentj87: if it dies .. it will try to continue |
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| 18:40.13 | Agentj87 | so wget -b -c |
| 18:40.14 | Agentj87 | ? |
| 18:40.22 | abrotman | sure .. and you can nohup it too :) |
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| 18:40.52 | Gulligan | thx azeem |
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| 18:40.55 | endeavormac | what do i need to do to grab testing packages with apt-get instead of stable? |
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| 18:41.12 | abrotman | !tell endeavormac about sarge->etch |
| 18:41.22 | roxy_ | what is wrong with: "deb ftp://ftp2.fr.debian.org/debian stable contrib" in source.list ? |
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| 18:41.41 | endeavormac | alright, thanks |
| 18:41.59 | eeyore- | hmm. unichrome is now no longer for xvmc? WTF. bickerings. |
| 18:42.00 | Azar | the way I see it here, 75% of Debian users now prefer using etch |
| 18:42.05 | roxy_ | I get: W: You may want to update the package lists to correct these missing files |
| 18:42.08 | plasmoduck | !tell plasmoduck about syncookies |
| 18:42.15 | eeyore- | so now if i want mpg2 decoding acceleration, it's "openchrome" i need? :-p |
| 18:42.25 | Eulex | roxy_, nothing, as far as I can see. what files does it tell are missing? |
| 18:42.32 | plasmoduck | !tell plasmoduck about sql injection |
| 18:42.32 | nvz | I havent tried etch yet not sure what the hell I am waiting for |
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| 18:42.38 | roxy_ | W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp2.fr.debian.org stable/contrib Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp2.fr.debian.org_debian_dists_stable_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 18:42.46 | zebalin4 | Hi folks. I'm trying to install Oracle XE to Etch and the docs say I need glibc ? 2.3.2. I don't see any such package anywhere. Is this embeded in kernel? |
| 18:42.49 | Agentj87 | «abrotman» thanks works great |
| 18:42.56 | abrotman | yay |
| 18:43.01 | nvz | I was waiting for the gcc transition and the xserver transistion but I am sure thats pretty much over now |
| 18:43.12 | Azar | is there an etch CD out so I can order it, or I will have to go from woody up |
| 18:43.25 | abrotman | nvz: it works pretty well now .. though i thought there was going to be another C++ transition .. not sure |
| 18:43.28 | nvz | since I know nothing about GCC or X.Org, I didnt figure I could handle that sort of breakage |
| 18:43.34 | plasmoduck | hi roxy_ |
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| 18:43.59 | Eulex | roxy_, hmm, I dunno. I can't see any error in the directory structure on that source. maybe try another mirror? this one might be broken in some other way |
| 18:44.03 | Azar | nvz I guess with etch will come another full set of new stuff that have to be learned and tested |
| 18:44.26 | nvz | Azar: yeah but I prefer to learn about it while my system works |
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| 18:44.47 | Azar | nvz I have a spare box sitting unused... has Debian Woody on it |
| 18:44.55 | nvz | I've used testing and even unstable before.. there was a period of about 6mo I ran exclusivly unstable on my desktops |
| 18:45.17 | nvz | but now I stick with stable on all systems unless I have a pretty damn good reason |
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| 18:45.29 | Azar | nvz I would assume new stuff on etch: new gcc, new kernels, xorg, grub... a whole different system |
| 18:45.30 | dom | any good advice for software to manage a battery backup? I have a server hooked up to a small APC battery backup and I just want to teach the server to shutdown gracefully during a power outage |
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| 18:45.52 | nvz | my reason for moving to etch would be to test the new software instead of finding already fixed bugs all the time and being bored and wondering why I have a pc and its always turned on |
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| 18:46.20 | nvz | I've never really done anything productive on a pc |
| 18:46.40 | nvz | its just my world to drift off into when I havent shit else to do |
| 18:46.45 | Azar | my reason to peek at etch to see if it would be somehow improved in a way of configuring drivers.. |
| 18:46.47 | roxy_ | Eulex: AAARRGGHH. I was stocked on it for 1 hour now. Just found out I was doing apt-cache update instead of apt-get update. thanks anyway |
| 18:47.05 | zebalin4 | glibc anyone? Is it same as gcc? |
| 18:47.08 | Azar | I will try etch in CLI mode only for first year |
| 18:47.13 | Eulex | roxy_, hehe :) glad you solved it |
| 18:47.20 | Eulex | any advice on attempting an upgrade from kernel 2.6.8 and an old udev to 2.6.15 and the newest udev in testing? |
| 18:47.27 | nvz | like quarter to two in the afternoon on a Tuesday... |
| 18:47.47 | Menthor | have a nice day! |
| 18:47.50 | Menthor | bye bye ! |
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| 18:48.01 | roxy_ | zebalin4: wrong channel to give that type of advice, but if you're going to use Oracle use redhat. |
| 18:48.08 | Azar | if the base installation will not work, I will wait one more year |
| 18:48.25 | Eulex | gonna try it on a laptop I haven't upgraded on for ages |
| 18:48.27 | zebalin4 | rox: they have a .deb package for debian and it installs.... but does not work! |
| 18:48.43 | nvz | I should start writing again.. that was always a good thing.. it was far more productive |
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| 18:49.30 | Debian | I need some help installing kernel-image-2.6.8-2 stable ( on a sata drive /dev/sda6 ) in a chrooted Env mkinitrd returns "/usr/sbin/mkinitrd: Cannot determine root device" Can somone help ????? |
| 18:49.48 | tolsen | should there be a Contents-i386.gz under http://security.debian.org/dists/stable/updates/ ? |
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| 18:50.08 | crazy_penguin | can someone tell me in what library i find the errno function reference. i need the filename of the library to compile a broken program. |
| 18:50.23 | roxy_ | zebalin4: I am not the one who installed it at work, but they tried on debian because we all use it, and they switched the oracle server to redhat because they couldn't make it work properly on debian. |
| 18:50.49 | abrotman | oracle works on debian |
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| 18:51.31 | nvz | though there always comes a point in creative writing when your inspiration runs dry, and you begin to realize... just how fucking crazy you really are. |
| 18:51.34 | zebalin4 | roxy_: well the Oracle Express is a FREE database (brand new) targeted to get developers to use Oracle products instaead of MySQL. I want to give it a try... but can't get it going. |
| 18:51.43 | tuv | which jvm is better for running eclipse: gnu's gij or sun's jdk? |
| 18:51.53 | roxy_ | zebalin4: then abrotman is your man :-) |
| 18:52.03 | abrotman | why? |
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| 18:52.15 | abrotman | zebalin4: why not? |
| 18:52.20 | dom | what about apcupsd? anyone had any experience good/bad with it? |
| 18:52.25 | Debian | (2) I need some help installing kernel-image-2.6.8-2 stable ( on a sata drive /dev/sda6 ) in a chrooted Env mkinitrd returns "/usr/sbin/mkinitrd: Cannot determine root device" Can somone help ????? |
| 18:52.34 | endeavormac | what are the apt sources for the testing distribution? |
| 18:52.40 | zebalin4 | OK, thanks for the help. |
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| 18:53.24 | pop_korn | hello |
| 18:53.50 | roxy_ | zebalin4: but if dpkg -i doesn't work you should fill a bug report. |
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| 18:54.06 | eeyore- | dom: it works for me |
| 18:54.08 | liran_ | im so happy |
| 18:54.08 | pop_korn | why you use debian ? =) |
| 18:54.10 | eeyore- | dom: (apcupsd) |
| 18:54.10 | liran_ | abrotman, ask me why |
| 18:55.02 | zebalin4 | roxy_: it installed once... didn't run. I did a dpkg remove and purge and then reinstalled and got some weired errors. It's a mess. I'm about to give it up. If Oracle can't make this 'easy' the hell with them. |
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| 18:55.19 | dom | eeyore-: cool. I apt-got it and trying the config now. their manual looks pretty clear (e.g. useful) so far |
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| 18:55.34 | Eulex | !tell pop_korn about why debian |
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| 18:55.44 | abrotman | liran_: why?! |
| 18:55.53 | liran_ | abrotman, im glad you asked |
| 18:55.54 | abrotman | zebalin4: what's the error ? |
| 18:55.58 | hid3 | Can I book debian CDs for free? Something like shipit in ubuntu project? |
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| 18:56.35 | liran_ | abrotman, because i convinced two of my friends who are taking RHCE courses to install debian on our hosting server :) |
| 18:56.47 | abrotman | good job |
| 18:56.51 | curt | yay liran_ |
| 18:56.59 | liran_ | lol yeah |
| 18:57.05 | zebalin4 | abrotman: a whole bunch of 'xxx not found on line yyy'. But it installed. The 'listener' runs. Sqlplus works. But the damn database won't start. I get "can't connect on port 8080 when I use browser to access Oracle XE |
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| 18:57.30 | abrotman | zebalin4: guess what .. vague errrors result in vague solutions |
| 18:57.34 | liran_ | i mean, can you see the irony of it? they're around the 3rd month of the course and i was like "i dont care, we're not installing anything but debian on this box" |
| 18:57.35 | endeavormac | wait, do the non-US apt repositories not work with the testing branch? |
| 18:57.35 | liran_ | lol |
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| 18:57.38 | zebalin4 | abrotman: tell me about it. |
| 18:57.45 | abrotman | so WTF is xxx and yyy ? |
| 18:57.50 | abrotman | endeavormac: no |
| 18:58.02 | zebalin4 | I'm going to purge it one more time and reinstall and this time keep a list of any errors and then come back here. |
| 18:58.10 | endeavormac | no as in they do not? |
| 18:58.11 | roxy_ | zebalin4: can you paste the error on rafb ? |
| 18:58.14 | nvz | haha |
| 18:58.36 | nvz | why the hell did you ask a question with a double negitive if you were going to be confused by the answer |
| 18:58.43 | stew | endeavormac: they are no longer needed /msg dpkg crypto in main |
| 18:58.44 | zebalin4 | roxy_: I'll have to reinstall it to do so. |
| 18:58.48 | nvz | thats just amusing |
| 18:58.53 | roxy_ | zebalin4: good luck :-) |
| 18:58.54 | endeavormac | heh i don't know, thanks though guys |
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| 18:59.24 | bujin | hey i just finished installing apache2 but i cant start it |
| 18:59.35 | eeyore- | dom: try it out on a laptop first |
| 19:00.00 | nvz | man I had an idea there for a minute but it got away from me |
| 19:00.16 | zebalin4 | bujin: as root: apache2ctl start |
| 19:00.25 | eeyore- | abrotman: xxx is one x chromosome too many. i have no idea what yyy would look like |
| 19:00.37 | abrotman | eeyore-: you're a donkey! |
| 19:00.38 | bujin | ok thanks |
| 19:00.50 | zebalin4 | bujin: did it work? |
| 19:00.52 | nvz | probably end up back on the video games :P |
| 19:01.03 | bujin | yipe |
| 19:01.07 | bujin | thanks zebalin4 |
| 19:01.11 | dom | eeyore-: I don't have a lot of flexibility for testing. i'm configuring all this remotely. but it's a small server so i'm not to worried if i accidentally incur downtime ;) |
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| 19:01.22 | bujin | i was writing just apachectl start lol |
| 19:01.38 | zebalin4 | bujin: I've done that. works great for old apache 1.23 |
| 19:01.46 | pop_korn | i am have debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso ... what is simply, download new iso or update that ? download speed 12 kb/s |
| 19:01.55 | eeyore- | abrotman: here's a page on triplo-x syndrom, http://www.webmd.com/hw/raising_a_family/nord1024.asp |
| 19:02.00 | blondie | why is it so hard to get fonts working nicely in X programs? :\ |
| 19:02.08 | blondie | the main culprit being webpages :| |
| 19:02.15 | Red_Cloud | This is a question about permissions. Should the UID be the same as the GID? |
| 19:02.16 | bujin | i know i think im hungry :P i cant see what i write sometimes... :P |
| 19:02.26 | chealer | pop_korn: install it and update it |
| 19:02.38 | pop_korn | thnx |
| 19:02.45 | Azar | blondie blame it on the browser you are using |
| 19:02.53 | roxy_ | I am trying to install jdk and I got http://pastebin.com/614721 that error. |
| 19:02.55 | eeyore- | blondie: works fine for me. it helps if you actually have nice fonts to begin with |
| 19:03.26 | Red_Cloud | In my question about I should have asked shoud the UID number be the same as the GID number? |
| 19:03.27 | Azar | I do not see any ugly fonts on my browser. just normal fonts |
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| 19:03.51 | eeyore- | blondie: examples of 'nice' fonts, adobe fonts (many), lucasfont's "thesans" family (expensive), etc. |
| 19:04.02 | eeyore- | http://www.lucasfonts.com/cgi-bin/loadframe/lucasfnt/thesans/sans-.html |
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| 19:04.06 | JRWR | is there like a floppy disk that can boot ISO images off a Thumbdrive (like if the ISO was written to the thumbdrive as if it where a cdrom) |
| 19:04.11 | abrotman | eeyore-: donkey! |
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| 19:04.15 | blondie | in windows and OS X this stuff Just WOrks |
| 19:04.26 | blondie | it never does in linux |
| 19:04.34 | eeyore- | blondie: i would pay attention to your nick ... |
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| 19:04.41 | eeyore- | that might have something to do with it ... |
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| 19:04.45 | pusling | is there some fancy command to check after a recovery from a harddisk crash that all files are as they should be ? |
| 19:04.50 | d0uglas | heh |
| 19:04.54 | blondie | eeyore-:and you're an ass from your nick |
| 19:04.57 | d0uglas | zing! |
| 19:04.58 | abrotman | blondie: i'm going to give you the best piece of advice .. FONTS SUCK! |
| 19:04.59 | eeyore- | blondie: right |
| 19:05.04 | Azar | interesting, fonts are being mean to blondies |
| 19:05.10 | eeyore- | blondie: the difference is .. i *know* it |
| 19:05.13 | macsim | my girlfriend's laptop allways start with sound mute, and disable she use alsa, anything is missing ? |
| 19:05.22 | blondie | (proper meaning of ass not american one) |
| 19:05.32 | macsim | my girlfriend's laptop allways start with sound mute, and PCM is disable she use alsa, anything is missing ? |
| 19:05.33 | Digital-Pioneer | Hi. I'm having trouble with Debian and internet. So, while I'm probably in the wrong place, this is the only place I know to go. LOL |
| 19:05.43 | jm_ | macsim: that's normal for ALSA |
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| 19:05.55 | eeyore- | pusling: not if you haven't got any sort of idea what the files should be like originally |
| 19:05.55 | macsim | jm_: what I have to do ? |
| 19:05.57 | d0uglas | macsim: aren't you more interested in her lap |
| 19:05.58 | Digital-Pioneer | My internet cuts out all the time. |
| 19:06.04 | eeyore- | pusling: with system files, you *might* be lucky with "debsums" package |
| 19:06.11 | pusling | eeyore-: dpkg-information ;) |
| 19:06.11 | jm_ | macsim: unmute it and set appropriate values and run alsactl stroe |
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| 19:06.12 | macsim | d0uglas: funny ;) |
| 19:06.14 | Coweater | macsim: set it, and run alsactl store as root |
| 19:06.21 | d0uglas | nah that was weak |
| 19:06.21 | eeyore- | pusling: but with user files, unless you have previously generated md5 fingerprints, no, you don't know for sure |
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| 19:06.24 | Azar | d0uglas: is a dog's life : get off the furniture |
| 19:06.26 | jm_ | macsim: alsactl store |
| 19:06.32 | pusling | it is mostly the binaries I am interested in. There is no importaint userfiles |
| 19:06.36 | abrotman | Digital-Pioneer: what kind of internet? and do you have any logs? |
| 19:06.37 | macsim | jm_: Coweater thanks |
| 19:06.37 | pusling | (is debsums in sarge?) |
| 19:06.44 | bujin | apache2: could not open document config file /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
| 19:06.54 | Digital-Pioneer | abrotman: Uhh... DSL? WLAN? What do you mean? |
| 19:07.27 | bujin | i ve just install apache2 , i did apacheapache2: could not open document config file /etc/apache2/apache2.conf2ctl start and i get: |
| 19:07.39 | blondie | eeyore-: the difference is that you're just wrong |
| 19:07.40 | bujin | i did apache2ctl |
| 19:07.58 | pusling | eeyore-: /me found a broken file quite quickly ... |
| 19:08.29 | dom | eeyore-: so is there a quick/easy way to get the current power status and/or battery level ? |
| 19:08.31 | abrotman | Digital-Pioneer: ok .. so which part cuts out ? the dsl? or the wifi? |
| 19:08.45 | eeyore- | dom: uh, i don't think so, unless your UPS is very fancy |
| 19:08.46 | Digital-Pioneer | IDK. |
| 19:09.07 | Digital-Pioneer | abrotman: It just stops working. My adapter never even shuts off. I just don't have internet anymore. |
| 19:09.11 | dom | eeyore-: I bought it for 40CDN, doesn't get much less fancy then that ;) |
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| 19:09.23 | pusling | hmm... how do I recover /usr/lib ? ;) |
| 19:09.27 | eeyore- | dom: with most apc ups you just get a couple of different signals, "power going off", "battery low", "battery failure imminent" and that's about it |
| 19:09.36 | d0uglas | you ever stop and think about how many people have no idea why their cell phone is called a cell phone |
| 19:09.36 | zebalin4 | bujin: how did you install apache2? Via apt-get? |
| 19:10.01 | bujin | yipe |
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| 19:10.16 | eeyore- | dom: the idea is that you don't do anything with "power off" because it could be temporary, and you'd only start to shut down when you get "imminent" signal |
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| 19:10.53 | dom | eeyore-: well that'll be good enough. thx |
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| 19:11.19 | macsim | jm_: I can't found alsactl :/ |
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| 19:11.33 | jm_ | macsim: /msg dpkg search |
| 19:11.41 | macsim | jm_: ok thanks |
| 19:11.53 | zebalin4 | bujin: most of the time apahce2 is a slam-dunk easy install. I've never had a problem with it. |
| 19:12.21 | zebalin4 | apt-get apache2 should get you all you need. Are you running etch, sarge or sid? |
| 19:12.38 | macsim | jm_: nothing happen |
| 19:13.06 | blondie | OK, how can I get X apps to use TrueType fonts if I download them? |
| 19:13.07 | macsim | jm_: /msg dpkg search alsactl |
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| 19:14.59 | thingfish | blondie: what's always worked for me is putting them in ~/.fonts |
| 19:15.08 | strider | blondie: defoma! |
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| 19:15.53 | d0uglas | do people pronounce sql as sequel? |
| 19:15.55 | thingfish | blondie: you have msttcorefonts installed? Helps with webpages. |
| 19:16.03 | kkith | d0uglas: i do |
| 19:16.04 | blondie | yes I just apt-get installed that |
| 19:16.09 | blondie | but they aren't used by FF |
| 19:16.09 | eeyore- | dom: serial or usb? |
| 19:16.16 | thingfish | they are here. |
| 19:16.18 | carbon60 | d0uglas: Yes, but it isn't really semantically correct. :-) |
| 19:16.44 | carbon60 | SEQUEL was actually another database system that came before SQL. I think. |
| 19:17.44 | jm_ | macsim: no, just "/msg dpkg search" - it will tell you how to find which package has it |
| 19:17.46 | carbon60 | I think I'm being dunce here. I have a file with 3 columns. I want to sort it uniquely on the first column. sort -u +1 seems to not behave as I expect. Huh? |
| 19:18.03 | macsim | jm_: I see sorry :) |
| 19:18.08 | strider | d0uglas: SQL is the accepted pronunciation now |
| 19:18.12 | eeyore- | carbon60: what's the field separator? |
| 19:18.18 | carbon60 | whitespace |
| 19:18.26 | macsim | jm_: dpkg -S :) |
| 19:18.30 | d0uglas | interesting |
| 19:18.35 | carbon60 | eeyore-: tabs, actually |
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| 19:18.40 | macsim | jm_: thx |
| 19:18.56 | jm_ | macsim: yes, dpkg -S will work if you have it installed already |
| 19:18.57 | eeyore- | carbon60: first column is alpha or number? |
| 19:19.09 | carbon60 | eeyore-: Numeric. |
| 19:19.23 | eeyore- | carbon60: sort -u -n +1 |
| 19:19.35 | xored | someone got experience configuring suPHP ? i just installed it, by when i activate it with suPHP engine on, he womehow parses a php file properly, shows the site, and then open the "download *.php" file download, as he wouldnt know what to do with.php |
| 19:19.37 | carbon60 | Hrm. |
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| 19:20.19 | blondie | thingfish: hmmok it's working now -- much better |
| 19:20.23 | jonathan` | wheres the default install path for apache2 with debian? |
| 19:20.26 | thingfish | blondie: :) |
| 19:20.30 | eeyore- | carbon60: not good? |
| 19:20.34 | carbon60 | eeyore-: No. |
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| 19:20.40 | jonathan` | i'm trying to run ./configure again so i can set up spport for oracle on my site |
| 19:20.43 | carbon60 | Gives me a single line out of the 4000 that are there. |
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| 19:20.51 | lkj1 | I get an error message : "Dynamic MMap ran out of room" whenever I try to apt-get install stuff. Why does it do this? |
| 19:20.54 | jonathan` | but I can't find the directory or the command |
| 19:21.24 | jm_ | lkj1: /msg dpkg dynamic mmap |
| 19:21.27 | eeyore- | carbon60: i don't think you want sort -u :-) try first "sort -n 1" and then | uniq ? |
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| 19:21.39 | curt | carbon60, leave the + out |
| 19:21.39 | kkith | lkj1 are you running out of memory? |
| 19:21.49 | carbon60 | curt: Oh? |
| 19:21.53 | sepski | lkj1, want to know something funny ? it's on the first hit if you'd google for the phrase you lazy brat !! #¤%#% |
| 19:21.57 | sepski | :) |
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| 19:22.28 | carbon60 | curt: That doesn't work, sort thinks it's a file argument. |
| 19:23.02 | eeyore- | carbon60: huh? |
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| 19:23.10 | curt | carbon60, sort -n 1 -u doesn't work? |
| 19:23.20 | _joey | anyone knows how to enable remote X forwarding ? |
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| 19:23.45 | carbon60 | sort: 1: No such file or directory |
| 19:23.46 | kkith | _joey with ssh? |
| 19:23.48 | lkj1 | kkith: I just installed some new ram and the top command shows that it is recognized, so I have 512 megs of RAM now. |
| 19:23.52 | carbon60 | It tries to open '1'. |
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| 19:24.04 | kkith | lkj1 : i see...hm not sure what the error is then |
| 19:24.06 | eeyore- | carbon60: sorry :-) -k1 |
| 19:24.12 | dom | eeyore-: usb |
| 19:24.29 | eeyore- | carbon60: i made a quick file, <n><tab><letter> and i used "sort -n -u -k1 < foo", it worked for me :-) |
| 19:24.50 | carbon60 | eeyore-: Yeah, that worked! |
| 19:24.52 | carbon60 | Thanks. |
| 19:24.54 | eeyore- | dom: you might be lucky and have a smart ups :-) good for you. you might get more information out of it then |
| 19:24.55 | elephantMan | Is there a way to sync Windows Mobile 5 pocket PC on a linux debian/gnome ? |
| 19:25.37 | elephantMan | I mean a native app |
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| 19:26.25 | mobius | i have debian installed on a computer and i want to mirror the main drive so that i can boot off it and everything. what is the best way to do this? |
| 19:26.39 | Unetixs | Does anyone around here know how to enable SSL support in Exim4 and disable non-TLS and non-SSL support? Right now I have TLS enabled but SSL doesn't work. I also want to disable non-encrypted SMTP. |
| 19:26.53 | mobius | dd and run lilo or whatever i use? |
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| 19:28.04 | Zugschlus | Unetixs: why do you want to disable non-encrypted SMTP? Are you seriously planning to exclude yourself from most of internet e-mail? |
| 19:28.20 | DGauge | I found what was wrong with my distro...and now I have the environments and everything I needed up :) |
| 19:28.22 | thingfish | sounds good to me |
| 19:28.29 | Zugschlus | Unetixs: additionally, you have been pointed to the Debian README files that come with the package in #exim an hour ago |
| 19:28.38 | Zugschlus | is there any problem with the docs? |
| 19:28.42 | dom | eeyore-: hah: BCHARGE : 100.0 Percent |
| 19:28.42 | dom | TIMELEFT : 69.4 Minutes |
| 19:28.42 | dom | eeyore-: hah, I do get battery info! |
| 19:29.02 | Unetixs | that readme didn't solve my issue. In fact, it pointed me to a phantom section of itself |
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| 19:29.20 | dom | so that's MODEL : Back-UPS ES 350 |
| 19:29.30 | dom | 40 bucks and it's all fancy-like |
| 19:29.36 | Unetixs | Zugschlus: I'm intending to encrypt the smtp between my remote clients and the smtp server |
| 19:29.42 | Unetixs | for outgoing mail |
| 19:29.54 | abrotman | tls ? |
| 19:30.19 | Zugschlus | Unetixs: so you want to only allow SMTP AUTH over encrypted connections? |
| 19:30.25 | abrotman | why not have remote "smtp" run on a non-standard port |
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| 19:30.30 | Unetixs | yes, thats correct |
| 19:30.30 | Zugschlus | If so, you're lucky: That's the default. |
| 19:30.31 | abrotman | or .. use pop-before-smtp |
| 19:30.37 | concept10 | in plain english, what is umask? |
| 19:30.40 | Zugschlus | Unetixs: and it is all described in the docs. |
| 19:30.43 | abrotman | !umask |
| 19:30.44 | dpkg | rumour has it, umask is 'man 2 umask', or there is no manpage for umask, or the apt-get install manpages-dev to install the manpage for umask |
| 19:30.49 | concept10 | permissions of some sort |
| 19:30.50 | abrotman | concept10: did you sell those cabinets? |
| 19:31.03 | paveq | why there aren't sork-passwd for horde3? only for horde2, but horde3 is in stable... |
| 19:31.06 | paveq | annoying |
| 19:31.25 | paveq | sork-passwd is stable for horde3 |
| 19:31.32 | concept10 | abrotman, I have a guy at some place that supposed to send someone out today, but I think he is only interested in the colo rack |
| 19:31.39 | paveq | I wonder if theres any changes to get this in the stable tree |
| 19:31.41 | Unetixs | Zugschlus: but it's allowing a Thunderbird client to connect over port 25 without TLS with "use secure connection" set to no. |
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| 19:32.02 | Zugschlus | Unetixs: but is it not advertising AUTH unless STARTTLS has been issued |
| 19:32.10 | Zugschlus | so, a sane client will not try authenticating |
| 19:32.15 | Zugschlus | (yes, that is in the docs) |
| 19:32.22 | concept10 | abrotman, know someone thats interested? |
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| 19:32.32 | abrotman | concept10: what's your location? |
| 19:32.38 | Zugschlus | I know that this is mentioned in the docs multiple times since I wrote them |
| 19:32.46 | concept10 | abrotman, dallas,tx |
| 19:32.54 | abrotman | concept10: hrm .. might be too far .. bnoji was lokoing for some .. but he's in philly .. |
| 19:32.58 | klync | i've got a strange error with apache2+php5 (from backports.org) ... mod_ssl should be exporting some variables to the cgi environment, and they're not showing up... anyone know about this? |
| 19:33.01 | abrotman | jetscreamer: buy the racks! |
| 19:33.11 | mobius | if i use dd to mirror my drive and partitions, how do i update the boot sectors to point to the kernel with grub? |
| 19:33.21 | pop_korn | went to install deb |
| 19:33.22 | pop_korn | bb |
| 19:33.40 | eeyore- | abrotman: what kind of racks are we talking about? |
| 19:33.55 | eeyore- | abrotman: name brand? proprietary? |
| 19:34.05 | Unetixs | Zugschlus: Excuse my ignorance, this is the first time I have ever dealt with this before. |
| 19:34.06 | eeyore- | 19" |
| 19:34.19 | Zugschlus | Unetixs: you should read the docs |
| 19:34.28 | Zugschlus | running a mail server is rocket science |
| 19:34.36 | Zugschlus | you're not going to grok this without reading the documentation |
| 19:34.41 | Unetixs | Zugschlus: fuck you pal, I've been reading docs for hours |
| 19:34.44 | Unetixs | don't give me shit |
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| 19:35.51 | Unetixs | prick |
| 19:35.53 | klync | Unetixs: i missed the beginning of your convo... what mta are you using? i've set that up with sendmail, fwiw |
| 19:35.54 | concept10 | eeyore-, this is what I have: http://dallas.craigslist.org/sys/141985644.html |
| 19:36.09 | Unetixs | sorry klync |
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| 19:36.17 | Unetixs | klync: I'm using Exim4 |
| 19:36.18 | klync | Unetixs: try to keep the hostility private tho, for the sake of the rest of our beautiful minds |
| 19:36.21 | Zugschlus | klync: he is using exim4, and wants to configure exim to do something which is the default |
| 19:36.32 | flawd | anyone know how to get rid of the "default profile is in use" message that pops up when trying to use firefox? |
| 19:36.34 | Zugschlus | the _documented_ default |
| 19:36.45 | flawd | i cant find any lock files under ~/.mozilla |
| 19:36.47 | klync | Unetixs: so, where's your setup falling down? |
| 19:36.57 | Zugschlus | which pisses me off royally. I didn't write these docs to have them ignored by every other user |
| 19:37.11 | abrotman | eeyore-: ask concept10 |
| 19:37.43 | abrotman | i'm a doc of fans |
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| 19:37.52 | Zugschlus | abrotman: *grins* |
| 19:37.55 | Zugschlus | the first smile in hours, thanks |
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| 19:38.24 | Unetixs | klync: let me test some stuff and I'll be back. I thought some configs were being ignored or badly entered because I'm testing the mailserver with a thunderbird client and it's allowing "use secure connection" = no transactions for outgoing mail |
| 19:39.04 | djs_2_6 | Hey all. Just finished installing newest version of debian stable, and in spite of adding the smp kernel to my system, am only seeing 1 cpu. Any ideas on how to fix this? |
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| 19:39.16 | Unetixs | klync: and I'm trying to make an idiotproof server for my salespeople in case they find themselves on a rogue AP with their wireless little security holes they call laptops |
| 19:39.25 | eeyore- | concept10: i emailed the guys in austin. :-) maybe one of them will want it for his home, considering the price. |
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| 19:39.38 | Unetixs | klync: so I want all transactions to use this SSL key |
| 19:39.51 | Hadaka | I have a problem using pdfjadetex - for some reason it outputs a PDF file which has Helvetica-Bold instead of Times-Bold as one of the fonts, event though the others are Times |
| 19:39.55 | concept10 | eeyore-, thanks |
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| 19:40.05 | curt | flawd, find . -name "lock" .. in your home dir |
| 19:40.18 | klync | Unetixs: so, you're trying to use tls, but it's still allowing non-tls connections? |
| 19:40.27 | Unetixs | klync: yes |
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| 19:40.57 | Unetixs | klync: but Zugschlus is telling me all non-tls conections are disabled by default and I'm not seeing it on my end |
| 19:41.37 | thingfish | djs_2_6: what does dmesg | grep Processor show? |
| 19:41.42 | Zugschlus | Unetixs: actually, you might want to read what I said |
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| 19:41.53 | Zugschlus | I said that exim doesn't advertise AUTH on non-encrypted connections |
| 19:41.55 | Unetixs | Zugschlus: I thought you had me blocked |
| 19:42.10 | djs_2_6 | Processor #0 15:2 APIC version 20 |
| 19:42.10 | djs_2_6 | Processor #1 15:2 APIC version 20 |
| 19:42.10 | djs_2_6 | CPU: Physical Processor ID: 0 |
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| 19:42.31 | Zugschlus | to understand what I said, it might be a good idea to be familiar with e-mail basics such as SMTP, SMTP AUTH and STARTTLS |
| 19:42.35 | Zugschlus | e-mail is rocket science |
| 19:42.40 | Zugschlus | no terrain for a newbie |
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| 19:42.57 | curt | !tell djs_2_6 -about paste |
| 19:43.01 | thingfish | djs_2_6: see, there are 2 listed. |
| 19:43.28 | Unetixs | I'll go look up more on SMTP AUTH |
| 19:43.33 | djs_2_6 | Thingfish - Yes, but nowhere else are they seen... |
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| 19:43.45 | thingfish | djs_2_6: you mean by gnome-system-monitor? |
| 19:43.54 | Zugschlus | Unetixs: start with ESMTP and STARTTLS, what you intend to do is all things interwoven |
| 19:44.01 | djs_2_6 | thingfish: yes, for instance... |
| 19:44.17 | thingfish | djs_2_6: that's a gnome problem, I believe - not a kernel one. |
| 19:44.33 | thingfish | djs_2_6: that's fixed in upstream versions of gnome. |
| 19:44.51 | djs_2_6 | thingfish: so, just get a newer version of gnome? |
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| 19:45.14 | thingfish | djs_2_6: not hardly. |
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| 19:45.17 | liran_ | thats odd, i defined my user in AllowUsers and restarted ssh though I still can't login, i get premission denied. |
| 19:45.26 | thingfish | djs_2_6: live with it. |
| 19:45.41 | djs_2_6 | That is not a resonable answer... |
| 19:45.42 | thingfish | djs_2_6: your system is seeing your hyperthreading or dual-core cpu. |
| 19:45.45 | Zugschlus | liran_: what do your logs say? |
| 19:46.37 | thingfish | djs_2_6: I'm assuming you rebooted and chose the new, -smp kernel... |
| 19:46.44 | possie | when i install request-tracker3.4 on my system it doesn't create an apache config file, now i thought it did create one, on a previous system, how can i see if the installer should create a config file? |
| 19:46.50 | djs_2_6 | Several times rebooted... |
| 19:47.12 | thingfish | djs_2_6: like I said, it's a gnome thing. It's pretty trivial. |
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| 19:48.03 | liran_ | Zugschlus, failure keyboard-interactive/pam for illegal user <username> |
| 19:48.09 | jonathan` | is there a way to recompile apache2 without the ./configure file since I used apt-get to install it? |
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| 19:48.47 | aboyousif | hi, i had a problem with apache2 .. it runs well but cann't open using neither 127.0.0.1 nor localhost .. the browser say the connection was refused |
| 19:48.55 | Zugschlus | jonathan`: are you familiar with the difference between source and binary? |
| 19:48.55 | MrBallZ | hi, i have a problem, I have set eth0 to have static ip address, after the pc boots up and its usable, it got ip from dhcp ... why isn't it using the static .... |
| 19:49.25 | jonathan` | Zugschlus, I wouldn't say extremely familiar |
| 19:49.26 | abrotman | paste your interfaces file somewhere |
| 19:49.41 | abrotman | jonathan`: why do you want to recompile it? |
| 19:49.51 | liran_ | Zugschlus, my user is listed in AllowUsers still i cant authenticate, any ideas? maybe im missing some other config line |
| 19:50.11 | jonathan` | I'm trying to get apache to recognize the oracle modules |
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| 19:50.40 | MrBallZ | abrotman: # The loopback network interface |
| 19:50.40 | MrBallZ | auto lo |
| 19:50.40 | MrBallZ | iface lo inet loopback |
| 19:50.40 | MrBallZ | # The primary network interface |
| 19:50.40 | MrBallZ | auto eth0 |
| 19:50.40 | MrBallZ | iface eth0 inet static |
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| 19:50.47 | abrotman | good job |
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| 19:51.08 | curt | he's been here before too |
| 19:51.18 | abrotman | i know |
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| 19:51.32 | djp | hi. can anyone help me getting a digital camera to recognised? i'm running xfce4, but i cannot see the camera? it used to mount automagically under gnome, but i am using a lesser spec pc and therefore, xfce4. the camera is a mass storage (usb) device. |
| 19:51.38 | abrotman | jonathan`: to recognize .. waht? |
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| 19:51.49 | abrotman | !tell djp about vfatrw |
| 19:52.10 | jonathan` | I'm following a guide on getting apache and php to recognize oracle database commands |
| 19:52.37 | jonathan` | and according to the guide for linux it says that it needs to be recompiled |
| 19:52.51 | JochenA | I just experienced that my settings in /etc/sysctl.conf were not activated upon reboot. Isn't that covered in the standard boot scripts? |
| 19:52.59 | MrBallZ | abrotman: i pasted the interfaces on #food |
| 19:53.03 | MrBallZ | errr #flood |
| 19:53.04 | MrBallZ | hehe |
| 19:53.14 | abrotman | might want to wait til i'm there |
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| 19:53.27 | cycus_zwisus | !pl |
| 19:53.27 | dpkg | methinks pl is sometimes referred to as "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl |
| 19:53.33 | unstable | jonathan`: oracle sucks why would you use that? |
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| 19:53.58 | abrotman | because it's oracle you tard |
| 19:54.04 | unstable | !oracle |
| 19:54.04 | dpkg | oracle is probably the world's most advanced database server, see this great installation guide: http://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/Oracle_10g.shtml |
| 19:54.05 | blakkino | hi |
| 19:54.06 | jonathan` | unstable, don't really have a choice in the matter on it |
| 19:54.10 | blakkino | i'm upgrading from stable to unstable |
| 19:54.20 | blakkino | apt-get has a problem about x11 |
| 19:54.24 | Ronin | not sure if youd call that an upgrade blakkino |
| 19:54.40 | djp | cheers abrotman. however, how do i find out what device my camera is? |
| 19:54.43 | blakkino | it tell that /etc/X11/Xsession is contained in two different packages |
| 19:54.46 | DGauge | Does debian not kdevelop for c/c++ programmers? |
| 19:54.50 | blakkino | does someone know how to solve? |
| 19:54.56 | abrotman | djp: you have to make sure the modules are loaded first |
| 19:55.02 | abrotman | !tell djp about usbstorage |
| 19:55.06 | stew | blakkino: had you installed some unofficial xorg version into sarge? |
| 19:55.08 | blakkino | Ronin, apt-get _upgrade_ :) |
| 19:55.27 | blakkino | stew, no |
| 19:55.27 | blakkino | nothing unofficial |
| 19:55.29 | blakkino | i'm running debian amd64 |
| 19:55.38 | nvz | heh |
| 19:55.40 | aboyousif | any idea about that problem .. |
| 19:55.43 | blakkino | apt-get -f upgrade don't work |
| 19:55.47 | nvz | and since when is amd64 official? |
| 19:55.57 | stew | blakkino: what are the packages involved |
| 19:56.04 | azeem | nvz: since a week or so |
| 19:56.04 | aboyousif | is there any loopback config tool ? |
| 19:56.10 | jonathan` | is there some way via apt-get to recompile apache? |
| 19:56.13 | nvz | really?! imagine that |
| 19:56.14 | azeem | since a week ago, rather |
| 19:56.17 | djp | abrotman, i have already loaded usbstorage module |
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| 19:56.22 | jonathan` | or would i have to completely remove it and install from source? |
| 19:56.22 | blakkino | x11-cp,,pm amd xfree86-common |
| 19:56.26 | abrotman | djp: dmesg says nothing ? |
| 19:56.26 | blakkino | x11-common |
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| 19:57.00 | blakkino | they share a file, it seem |
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| 19:57.09 | blakkino | and apt-get can't manage that? |
| 19:57.51 | stew | blakkino: can you tell us the name of the file and put the output of "apt-cache policy xfree86-common" into a pastebin? |
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| 19:58.12 | Gokee2_Laptop | Hey all I have a usb card reader, I pluged it in and put in a card. I can`t seem to find it though. I tried mounting /dev sda sdb sdd with -t vfat nothing worked. Can anyone tell me what I should do? Thanks |
| 19:58.20 | djp | abrotman, aha... yes it does. it appears to be sda: /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0: p1... does that make any sense? |
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| 19:58.32 | abrotman | djp: yes and no |
| 19:58.34 | Unetixs | Zugschlus: Exim4 is, by default, letting me telnet in and send stuff without authenticating |
| 19:58.41 | abrotman | djp: fdisk -l /dev/sda .. waht does it say? |
| 19:59.01 | blakkino | stew, http://rafb.net/paste/results/AyJk9l85.html |
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| 19:59.20 | blakkino | maybe the mirror isn't upgraded |
| 19:59.32 | Zugschlus | Unetixs: grep "relay_nets" /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf |
| 19:59.35 | abrotman | blakkino: you're an italian using a swedish mirror ? |
| 19:59.43 | stew | blakkino: it seems to be updated, what is the file in question? |
| 19:59.50 | djp | abrotman, /dev/sda1 * 1 970 62060+ 6 FAT16 |
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| 20:00.02 | abrotman | djp: ok .. so now mount /dev/sda1 |
| 20:00.02 | blakkino | the file is /etc/X11/Xsession |
| 20:00.07 | Unetixs | Zugschlus: alright, so it will only let the things it sees as allowing relay to send without authenticating? |
| 20:00.15 | Zugschlus | Unetixs: grep "relay_nets" /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf |
| 20:00.18 | Zugschlus | I want to see that |
| 20:00.26 | blakkino | abrotman, i don't trust very much italian mirrors :p |
| 20:00.33 | Zugschlus | what you say lets me believe that you have built an open relay |
| 20:00.41 | abrotman | blakkino: i feel the same way about canadians! |
| 20:01.10 | Unetixs | Zugschlus: dc_relay_nets='192.168.0.0/24' |
| 20:01.24 | stew | blakkino: hmm, xfree86-common in unstable doens't contain any files |
| 20:01.29 | blakkino | it is true that maybe a .se mirror is as bad as an .it mirror.. but at least i don't know that.. :) |
| 20:01.30 | Zugschlus | and from where do your clients connect? |
| 20:01.38 | stew | (aside from /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/*) |
| 20:01.40 | crazy_penguin | can someone tell me in what library i find the errno function reference. i need the filename of the library to compile a broken program. |
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| 20:01.53 | blakkino | mhhm.. but i have the current xfree86-commond.. |
| 20:01.54 | Unetixs | Zugschlus: currently it's closed to the net and the only clients are connecting from inside the lan |
| 20:02.07 | Zugschlus | and the lan has IP addresses from 192.168.0.0/24? |
| 20:02.12 | Unetixs | yes |
| 20:02.14 | stew | blakkino: does "dpkg -L xfree86-common" list any files bsides ones in /usr/share/doc? |
| 20:02.24 | blakkino | yes |
| 20:02.37 | blakkino | i checked that |
| 20:02.43 | stew | it shouldn't |
| 20:02.47 | Zugschlus | Unetixs: well, exim is just doing what you asked it to do |
| 20:02.51 | blakkino | the stable ones |
| 20:02.56 | Zugschlus | it relays messages from 192.168.0.0/24 without authentication |
| 20:02.58 | stew | blakkino: try "apt-get install x11-common xfree86-common-" |
| 20:02.59 | blakkino | shouldn't? |
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| 20:03.28 | blakkino | it seem to work :) |
| 20:03.30 | blakkino | (why?) |
| 20:03.45 | djp | abrotman, it says... mount: can't find /dev/sda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 20:03.47 | blakkino | why xfree86-common- and not xfree86-common ? |
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| 20:04.17 | stew | blakkino: - for remove, x11-common replaces xfree86-common, which is now just a dummy package |
| 20:04.31 | blakkino | ah |
| 20:04.32 | blakkino | :) |
| 20:04.33 | mo1991 | what is the command to go from X back to command prompt only - ctr alt backspace - brings it back but it keeps restarting - how to I make it not try again once I hit ctr alt backspace? |
| 20:04.45 | blakkino | it specify both a remotion and an installation into the same request.. |
| 20:04.46 | Coweater | ctrl-alt-fN |
| 20:04.48 | rvsjoen | djp: what command did you try to mount with ? |
| 20:04.48 | blakkino | wow :) |
| 20:04.51 | blakkino | nice |
| 20:04.54 | unstable | mo1991: control alt f2 |
| 20:04.56 | unstable | mo1991: control alt f7 |
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| 20:05.01 | stew | mo1991: /etc/init.d/?dm stop |
| 20:05.08 | djp | rvsjoen, mount /dev/sda1 |
| 20:05.09 | Coweater | mo1991: and it's restarting because you have a display manager running |
| 20:05.22 | mo1991 | unstable - i actually want x server to restart |
| 20:05.27 | mo1991 | not restart but stop |
| 20:05.31 | rvsjoen | djp: you need to specify a mount point and a file-system if there's no entry for /dev/sda1 in /etc/fstab |
| 20:05.34 | stew | blakkino: btw "apt-get remove xfree86-common x11-common+" is another way to specify the same :) |
| 20:05.36 | mo1991 | so its not running and taking processor |
| 20:05.40 | unstable | mo1991: control alt backspace(3x) |
| 20:05.40 | Coweater | mo1991: go with what stew said then |
| 20:05.47 | unstable | mo1991: or /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 20:06.02 | djp | rvsjoen, what do i put for the mount point? do i create a directory somewhere and point it to that? |
| 20:06.09 | rvsjoen | yes |
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| 20:06.21 | P4C0 | hello, how can I see the list of packages installed?? |
| 20:06.21 | blakkino | stew, tnx :) it is very nice to have competent (about apt-get and similar tools) people here :) |
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| 20:06.45 | thingfish | P4C0: dpkg -l | more |
| 20:07.05 | oliknoli | how do i change my ip on my debian system????? |
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| 20:07.55 | stew | oliknoli: man interfaces |
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| 20:08.26 | jonathan` | so is it not possible at all to recompile something that was installed from a binary? |
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| 20:08.37 | abrotman | !apt-build |
| 20:08.38 | dpkg | well, apt-build is an apt-get front-end for compiling software optimised for your machine, see http://freshmeat.net/projects/apt-build/?topic_id=147%2C865, or http://julien.danjou.info/article-apt-build.html |
| 20:08.42 | P4C0 | thingfish, problem is that I'm using libgda and there's a mem leak that was fixed in the last release... any ideas how to get the last version? |
| 20:08.47 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 20:08.47 | dpkg | popcon is, like, the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 20:08.54 | oliknoli | how do i change my ip on my debian system????? |
| 20:09.00 | stew | jonathan`: when you say "from a binary" do you mean a debian package? |
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| 20:09.06 | stew | oliknoli: did you read the interfaces manpage? |
| 20:09.22 | oliknoli | stew: huh??? |
| 20:09.28 | stew | oliknoli: type "man interfaces" |
| 20:09.32 | abrotman | jonathan`: why can't you just compile the oracle items? |
| 20:09.35 | oliknoli | in here?? |
| 20:09.36 | thingfish | P4C0: which version of Debian are you using? |
| 20:09.38 | homekneet | What's the easiest way to go thru a set of directories and files, re-encoding the _filename_ from iso-8859-1 to utf-8? (this is in an iso-8859-1 xterm ssh'd from a sid box to a sarge box) |
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| 20:09.45 | stew | oliknoli: no, in a shell |
| 20:09.54 | elirips | hello. does someone know what is needed in the kernel-config so that "automounting" in kde works? right now when i plug-in an extenal harddisk the kde-daemon reports it, but when i want to 'open it in a new window' it says: 'Could not mount devie: reported error was: mount: can't find /dev/sda3 in /etc/fstab or mtab'. with the same system and the debian kernel image it works, so it seems like i'm missing something in my kernel. any id |
| 20:09.54 | elirips | eas? |
| 20:09.58 | oliknoli | ok :D started to wonder |
| 20:10.05 | P4C0 | thingfish, humm stable I guess |
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| 20:10.34 | paveq | how do I compile php with some flags in debian stable |
| 20:10.35 | thingfish | P4C0: and you need a more up to date version of libgda? |
| 20:10.39 | paveq | the right way |
| 20:10.46 | P4C0 | thingfish, yep |
| 20:10.53 | abrotman | !tell paveq about source |
| 20:10.57 | abrotman | !tell paveq about apt-build |
| 20:11.15 | jonathan` | stew, yeah from a debian package |
| 20:11.20 | stew | paveq: what flags do you want to add? are you sure you dont' just need to install more php packages? |
| 20:11.24 | thingfish | P4C0: you could get it from either etch or sid, but that's not desirable. You could see if backports.org has it. |
| 20:11.27 | P4C0 | thingfish, should I change to sarge or which one have the last ones? cause 1.2.1 is pritty old |
| 20:11.31 | stew | jonathan`: /msg dpkg source ; /msg dpkg debian/rules |
| 20:11.33 | paveq | Compile PHP --with-mhash before continuing... |
| 20:11.34 | jonathan` | abrotman, im not really sure, they're just .so files |
| 20:11.35 | paveq | this |
| 20:11.46 | abrotman | jonathan`: so why don't they work ? |
| 20:11.55 | abrotman | paveq: moment |
| 20:11.58 | stew | paveq: apt-get install php4-mhash |
| 20:12.04 | jonathan` | abrotman, that's what I'm not sure about.. I have them in the extension_dir and I have them enabled in the ini file |
| 20:12.04 | paveq | hmm |
| 20:12.07 | abrotman | see .. stew already knew |
| 20:12.12 | thingfish | P4C0: there's always etch or sid. but they're for experienced users, bug chasers, and tinkerers. |
| 20:12.36 | paveq | stew: so I don't have to compile anything |
| 20:12.38 | Unetixs | unstable isn't too harsh for novices |
| 20:12.41 | paveq | hows that possible |
| 20:12.53 | abrotman | modules |
| 20:12.55 | Unetixs | testing that is |
| 20:13.02 | P4C0 | thingfish, I'm a programmer and I need that lib, I just check their webpage and the bug that I foud is fixed in next version... |
| 20:13.03 | abrotman | it can be |
| 20:13.07 | Unetixs | sid can be angry |
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| 20:13.13 | abrotman | Unetixs: it's fairly stable this week .. a few months ago it was a wreck |
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| 20:13.24 | Unetixs | abrotman: etch was? |
| 20:13.24 | stew | paveq: dem debian developers is geniuses |
| 20:13.28 | djp | rvsjoen, abrotman, i get the message... mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1, missing codepage or other error |
| 20:13.31 | abrotman | Unetixs: very very messed up |
| 20:13.44 | abrotman | djp: what FS type did you use? |
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| 20:13.47 | Unetixs | huh, I don't ever remember that happening to sarge |
| 20:13.50 | P4C0 | thingfish, I'll try sid |
| 20:13.58 | djp | abrotman, "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0 |
| 20:14.01 | thingfish | P4C0: look in packages.debian.org for the version you need, see if it's even available. |
| 20:14.06 | paveq | stew: you don't happen to know these |
| 20:14.08 | paveq | Auth_SASL |
| 20:14.13 | paveq | HTTP_Request |
| 20:14.13 | abrotman | djp: in your fstab ? |
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| 20:14.19 | paveq | those are still missing |
| 20:14.24 | paveq | installing horde btw |
| 20:14.30 | stew | paveq: apt-get install horde |
| 20:14.33 | stew | err horde3 |
| 20:14.33 | paveq | and Crypt_CHAP |
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| 20:14.38 | paveq | stew: done that |
| 20:14.49 | setuid | Anyone know how to configure squid-prefetch? It doesn't come with any manpage. |
| 20:14.52 | paveq | stew: just those modules are needed for someway |
| 20:15.03 | setuid | Been that way for 2 years, it seems |
| 20:15.04 | setuid | http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/05/msg04007.html |
| 20:15.04 | abrotman | setuid: how about in /usr/share/*/doc/ ? |
| 20:15.04 | paveq | stew: something to do with PEAR stuff |
| 20:15.15 | setuid | abrotman: nope |
| 20:15.18 | djp | abrotman, in my fstab i have put, /dev/sda1, /media/camera, vfat, defaults,1000,1000,umask=002 0 0 |
| 20:15.33 | abrotman | !info squid-prefetch sarge |
| 20:15.35 | stew | paveq: "apt-cache depends horde3" should show you the packages you need |
| 20:15.39 | abrotman | djp: with commas ? |
| 20:15.42 | dpkg | squid-prefetch: (Simple page-prefetch for Squid web proxy), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 88 kB |
| 20:15.43 | setuid | hrm, weird place to stick docs |
| 20:15.52 | paveq | stew: no they are not dependencies I think |
| 20:15.53 | setuid | /usr/share/doc/squid-prefetch |
| 20:15.56 | setuid | Nothing in there |
| 20:15.59 | paveq | stew: horde works without them |
| 20:16.06 | setuid | Just copyright and changelog.Debian.gz |
| 20:16.06 | djp | abrotman, no. i have set it out as the other entries in there |
| 20:16.07 | paveq | example |
| 20:16.09 | paveq | Horde will work without the Auth_SASL class, but if you use Access Control Lists in IMP you should be aware that without this class passwords will be sent to the IMAP server in plain text when retrieving ACLs. |
| 20:16.15 | abrotman | djp: paste your fstab somewhere |
| 20:16.16 | abrotman | !paste |
| 20:16.16 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 20:16.29 | djp | abrotman, will do |
| 20:16.37 | P4C0 | thingfish, unstalbe is 1.2.2-1... they are in 1.3.90 :p |
| 20:16.37 | abrotman | setuid: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=squid-prefetch&version=stable&arch=all .. there is a man page |
| 20:16.49 | Azar | I need small guidance regarding donation, reading the SPI page but it does not show how to mention Debian on my payment |
| 20:17.03 | setuid | abrotman: weird... not here |
| 20:17.19 | P4C0 | how can I change the sources to sid? |
| 20:17.19 | abrotman | setuid: man 8 squid-prefetch .. nothing ? |
| 20:17.28 | setuid | man 8 squid-prefetch brings up the "Undocumented" page |
| 20:17.35 | abrotman | P4C0: if you have to ask .. you shouldn't |
| 20:17.36 | setuid | but dpkg -L shows: /usr/share/man/man8/squid-prefetch.8.gz |
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| 20:17.42 | oliknoli | how do i change from automatic to static ip?? |
| 20:17.45 | abrotman | setuid: nice |
| 20:17.52 | abrotman | !tell oliknoli about interfaces |
| 20:17.59 | setuid | Yep, and that .gz file is a copy of the "Undocumented" manpage |
| 20:18.01 | abrotman | setuid: is that file actually there? |
| 20:18.03 | abrotman | oh .. cute |
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| 20:18.18 | oliknoli | i read man interfaces but didnt understand |
| 20:18.20 | P4C0 | abrotman, well, I'm not used to debian... I have to use it cause of my work... if you have a better way to get libgda to last version available I'm all eyes |
| 20:18.31 | Azar | the site specifies: Please do not make donations payable to SPI member projects, such as "Debian". |
| 20:18.31 | abrotman | ears? |
| 20:18.58 | abrotman | P4C0: whwat's wrong with the libgda you have? |
| 20:19.07 | thingfish | he needs bug fixes. |
| 20:19.09 | chops | oliknoli: Change the stanza that says "iface eth0 dhcp" to "iface eth0 inet static" in /etc/networking/interfaces |
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| 20:19.26 | stew | paveq: http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Debian/2005-05/0816.html |
| 20:19.31 | setuid | How do packages make it this long without someone noticing these issues? |
| 20:19.35 | chops | oliknoli: ... then add lines below it specifying address, netmask, and gateway. Put a tab in front of those lines. |
| 20:19.35 | lukipf | . |
| 20:19.36 | P4C0 | abrotman, this: http://www.archivum.info/cvs-commits-list%40gnome.org/2005-06/msg02283.html huge memory leak in guess_table_name() |
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| 20:19.49 | abrotman | stew: do you know if it's a policy violation to use the Undocumented man page in a package? |
| 20:19.56 | djp | abrotman, ok... got it working. i removed the 1000,1000,umask=002 that i had put in my fstab and i can now mount /media/camera and browse the device |
| 20:20.03 | oliknoli | i cant go into any folder named interfaces |
| 20:20.17 | Ronin | oliknoli: as root and its not a directory |
| 20:20.20 | abrotman | P4C0: and which version was that released in ? |
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| 20:20.26 | chops | oliknoli: /etc/network/interfaces is a text file, not a directory. You need to edit it. |
| 20:20.32 | abrotman | djp: yay! |
| 20:20.34 | P4C0 | abrotman, last one |
| 20:20.36 | djp | abrotman, can i mount the device automatically in anyway? it used to work by mounting itself when i turned it on under gnome? |
| 20:20.45 | stew | abrotman: its not a violation, policy says "should" not "must" |
| 20:20.46 | abrotman | P4C0: that's not helping .. WHICH version |
| 20:20.47 | oliknoli | ok :D i just tried to go into it.. thanks: D |
| 20:20.58 | abrotman | djp: with xfce . dunno .. |
| 20:21.10 | chops | oliknoli: np :-) |
| 20:21.13 | djp | abrotman, no problem. thanks for the pointers. |
| 20:21.17 | P4C0 | abrotman, and I'm using 1.2.1, 1.3.90 is the last one |
| 20:21.30 | abrotman | !info libgda sid |
| 20:22.03 | paveq | stew: looks like I was able to install most of pear stuff by pear install .. |
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| 20:22.36 | abrotman | !info libgda2-3 sid |
| 20:22.41 | dpkg | libgda2-3: (GNOME Data Access library for GNOME2), section libs, is optional. Version: 1.2.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 208 kB, Installed size: 596 kB |
| 20:22.50 | paveq | still, one missing |
| 20:22.51 | paveq | The fileinfo PECL module or the mime_magic PHP extension |
| 20:23.06 | paveq | which one? :P |
| 20:23.25 | abrotman | P4C0: afaict .. the version you want isn't even in sid yet .. was it released with gnome2.14 ? |
| 20:23.47 | deadcat | !cv |
| 20:23.47 | dpkg | well, cv is Cape Verde |
| 20:24.00 | blakkino | stew, another conflict is libgnome-media0 and gnome-media (/usr/lib/libglade/2.0/libgnome-media-profiles.so) |
| 20:24.03 | P4C0 | abrotman, not sure... but I can try 1.2.2 and see |
| 20:24.12 | abrotman | P4C0: i don't think that's going to help at all |
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| 20:24.41 | blakkino | i have solved it as before.. now apt tell me that it can't authenticate a package.. (does that means "failed checksum" or "checksum not present" ?) |
| 20:24.42 | P4C0 | abrotman, in changelog from 1.2.1 its a : Fixed leak in PostgreSQL provider (Alex) ... I'm using postgresql... |
| 20:24.43 | oliknoli | hmmm.. it stands: auto eth0 (next line) inet (and something) what do i change to get static ip?? |
| 20:25.11 | blakkino | (not checksum but digital signature..) (i hope) |
| 20:25.12 | P4C0 | abrotman, I think I'll go cvs :p |
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| 20:25.15 | abrotman | P4C0: ah .. i see it |
| 20:25.20 | abrotman | P4C0: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 20:25.24 | abrotman | !info libgda2-3 etch |
| 20:25.28 | abrotman | P4C0: or .. |
| 20:25.31 | dpkg | libgda2-3: (GNOME Data Access library for GNOME2), section libs, is optional. Version: 1.2.2-1 (etch), Packaged size: 208 kB, Installed size: 596 kB |
| 20:25.39 | abrotman | P4C0: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 20:25.57 | MrBallZ | abrotman: i checked and the thing is that even when computer has booted up, , the interface doesn't have an address or anything, until I plug the ethernet cable, it does the dhcp but doesn't show up in the dmesg or anything ... |
| 20:25.57 | abrotman | P4C0: if it is fixed in 1.2.2 .. it would be fixed in etch(currently code named for testing) |
| 20:26.13 | setuid | abrotman: Thanks... I've read the source, so I can figure out what its trying to do now. |
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| 20:26.30 | bigbug | hi |
| 20:26.32 | P4C0 | what the diff etch sid? |
| 20:26.34 | setuid | Doesn't seem that hard to hack up a manpage for it in the last 2-3 years |
| 20:26.47 | bigbug | alguien sabe español ?_? |
| 20:26.53 | P4C0 | bigbug, yo hablo español |
| 20:27.12 | abrotman | setuid: yay! |
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| 20:27.19 | abrotman | P4C0: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 20:27.25 | abrotman | !es |
| 20:27.25 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 20:27.36 | P4C0 | abrotman, thanks :) |
| 20:27.44 | bigbug | hola |
| 20:27.49 | abrotman | P4C0: roughly .. sid breaks badly/often/hard |
| 20:27.59 | P4C0 | abrotman, :) |
| 20:28.00 | paveq | so is there mime_magic for php4? |
| 20:28.03 | abrotman | ok .. maybe not that often |
| 20:28.07 | paveq | didn't find by apt |
| 20:28.10 | abrotman | but if you don't know what you're doing ... often enough |
| 20:28.16 | P4C0 | let's see how it goes |
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| 20:28.22 | bigbug | P4C que cliente ftp me recomiendas para usar , estoy en ubuntu |
| 20:28.56 | abrotman | !es |
| 20:28.56 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 20:29.03 | abrotman | bigbug: /j #ubuntu-es |
| 20:29.13 | bigbug | ok |
| 20:29.16 | bigbug | gracias |
| 20:29.20 | abrotman | de nada |
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| 20:30.59 | stew | i wish irssi would let me annotate why i put things on ignore or hilight |
| 20:31.14 | MrBallZ | abrotman: i checked and the thing is that even when computer has booted up, , the interface doesn't have an address or anything, until I plug the ethernet cable, it does the dhcp but doesn't show up in the dmesg or anything ... |
| 20:31.59 | abrotman | MrBallZ: ok .. but that doesn't help you with what changes your IP later |
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| 20:33.00 | MrBallZ | I know, but its very weird ... it should have the static address even if the cable is unpluged , after it boots doesn't it ... |
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| 20:35.43 | abrotman | what is the IP after the machine boots with no cable ? |
| 20:36.30 | vin` | is there a way to get the old UI of querybts back? |
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| 20:37.41 | abrotman | vin`: ? |
| 20:38.09 | abrotman | vin`: you old fart .. get with the times :) |
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| 20:38.35 | MrBallZ | abrotman: the first one in the dhcp pool ... |
| 20:38.42 | vin` | abrotman: I can't stand it, the old one was perfect. |
| 20:39.28 | abrotman | vin`: do you know how to file a wishlist bug? |
| 20:39.44 | abrotman | MrBallZ: when you boot up with no cable? .. it gets a dhcp address? |
| 20:40.03 | MrBallZ | no, the interface is down, and if i bring it up, it doesn't have any address |
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| 20:40.37 | abrotman | so something after your networking script is run is changing the IP .. you have to find out what it is |
| 20:40.39 | MrBallZ | as soon as I plug the cable, it gets first address in dhcp pool, and if i restart the network in init.d ... it gets the static address i want ... |
| 20:40.57 | Jaga | Speaking of dhcp... Does anyone know why the dhcp daemon allocates addresses starting at the end of the range first? |
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| 20:41.00 | MrBallZ | could it be spoofprotect or something like that ... |
| 20:41.01 | abrotman | ok .. so find out what is changing it to dhcp |
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| 20:41.28 | matthias | hi, in case i start screen as a normal user, i only get a white screen instead of a console (i can enter commands and they are executed but i do not get to see the shell prompt) whats wrong? |
| 20:41.44 | grendal_prime | hey abrotman im setting up a file server...(never really set one up this size before) |
| 20:42.00 | abrotman | didn't we cover this a few days ago? |
| 20:42.01 | grendal_prime | i need a dir that all the users can share as well as one for each user |
| 20:42.05 | grendal_prime | no |
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| 20:42.10 | grendal_prime | not me anyway |
| 20:42.11 | pipeline | matthias: Perhaps your xterm just has really silly settings. |
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| 20:42.28 | matthias | pipeline, no, its an ssh session |
| 20:42.36 | matthias | works on other boxes |
| 20:42.42 | pipeline | matthias: screen abstracts out your terminal settings |
| 20:42.44 | abrotman | grendal_prime: ok .. so make one dir that is group writable .. put them all in that group |
| 20:42.46 | grendal_prime | would it be best to create a folder outside of the home dir? or should i just set up a user...like allshare_user and |
| 20:42.58 | pipeline | matthias: so screen might be specifying that the text is white, but not specifying a background color, getting you white-on-white. |
| 20:42.59 | ronove | I'm having problems printing things with a cups defined printer out of mozilla-firefox & thunderbird. after some googling I found out I should try to just de-install xprint, but apt-get remove xprint also wants to remove the x-window-system, and that's not what I want.. what should I do? |
| 20:43.11 | abrotman | grendal_prime: you may need to muck with the umask |
| 20:43.14 | matthias | pipeline, no, the text is NOT there, |
| 20:43.18 | abrotman | or with the default group stuff |
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| 20:43.25 | grendal_prime | ok hmmm |
| 20:43.42 | abrotman | MrBallZ: you sohuld be able to go through rc2.d and see if any of those do it .. quite easily |
| 20:43.44 | seb- | how view quicktime video in debian? (i'd prefre to convert it to mpeg) |
| 20:43.46 | grendal_prime | what if i just set up another user account and allow them all write access to that acocunt? |
| 20:43.47 | matthias | pipeline, if i start screen as anoter user, i have no problems |
| 20:44.17 | grendal_prime | !milli |
| 20:44.28 | grendal_prime | damn it |
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| 20:44.52 | Madeye | guys, I'm looking for a good backup system that can connect over network to other PCs (windows, linux, apple) and back them up, any recommendation ? |
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| 20:45.17 | grendal_prime | abrotman, would it be best to place that shared dir in the /home i guess that is my bigesst question? |
| 20:45.52 | abrotman | grendal_prime: that's actually up to oyu .. i think mine are in /home/export/ or some crap like that |
| 20:46.00 | vin` | Madeye: is this a worm? ;) |
| 20:46.07 | abrotman | (yes .. i know in solaris it's /export/home*/ |
| 20:46.08 | abrotman | ) |
| 20:46.13 | matthias | could my problem be a permision issue? |
| 20:46.23 | grendal_prime | ok thanks man |
| 20:46.30 | Madeye | vin`, haha could be a useful worm :D |
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| 20:46.38 | rigor | i've dist-upgraded sarge to etch to have xorg. i thought xorg comes with fglrx driver. do i still need the binary ati driver for X to work? |
| 20:46.42 | Madeye | vin`, no really, do you have any idea about a good sys |
| 20:46.51 | abrotman | Madeye: do you need a client on the other systems? |
| 20:46.52 | Azar | seb-: http://www.infoanarchy.org/wiki/index.php/Quicktime/Linux |
| 20:47.03 | seb- | Azar: danka! |
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| 20:47.11 | tessier__ | Hello all! |
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| 20:47.34 | Madeye | abrotman, no, unless it's a plus to have client on each pc. |
| 20:47.35 | tessier__ | Is there an openssl-dev package? It doesn't show up in apt-cache search. I am trying to compile something that uses openssl and it is complaining that it cannot find openssl. |
| 20:47.44 | yulsuf | Hi sometimes mi IP changes (dhcp ip) and I need to restart dhclient manually to get a new IP, it is possible to do it autmatically= any way? thanks in advance |
| 20:47.46 | tessier__ | That usually means it can't find headers etc. |
| 20:47.50 | vin` | Madeye: heard amanda is good. |
| 20:47.56 | abrotman | Madeye: well ..i mean .. how will the machines know which files to back up ? |
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| 20:49.26 | a1fa | hey.. worth running debian sid on sparc platform? |
| 20:49.41 | tessier__ | alfa: No |
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| 20:49.56 | Seb | tessier__: libssl-dev ? |
| 20:50.03 | a1fa | tessier__ : why not? |
| 20:50.06 | Seb | tessier__: why 'no' ? |
| 20:50.07 | Madeye | abrotman, ah right, well it would be a given directory name |
| 20:50.23 | rigor | i've dist-upgraded sarge to etch to have xorg. xorg asked me which module to use, i chose fglrx. however, i still cannot start X. modprobe fglrx shows there is no such module. do i have to download ati binary driver? |
| 20:50.24 | tessier__ | Seb: libssl is different from openssl, isn't it? |
| 20:50.25 | abrotman | Madeye: so you want your linux server to break into your windows machines and grab a directory? |
| 20:50.30 | Seb | a1fa: it runs perfectly fine for me here. But be more specific: sid vs woody on sparc, or plain debian on sparc, or ... ? |
| 20:50.41 | a1fa | Seb: sid vs. woody? |
| 20:50.42 | abrotman | rigor: did you remake fglrx after upgrading ? |
| 20:50.51 | Seb | tessier__: i have no idea :) |
| 20:50.53 | a1fa | Seb: i am running woody atm.. it is a bit outdated |
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| 20:50.57 | Madeye | abrotman, actually I want my linux server to break into windows, apple and linux machines and grab directory |
| 20:50.59 | a1fa | Seb: this is for my desktop |
| 20:51.04 | Seb | a1fa: so your question is not related to sparc in any way ? |
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| 20:51.19 | rigor | abrotman: i had no working x before upgrade, i had not installed the driver before. i thought Xorg already has the necessary driver. |
| 20:51.20 | a1fa | Seb: should i run woody or sid on my sparc box |
| 20:51.22 | abrotman | Madeye: bacula? amanda? |
| 20:51.22 | a1fa | lol |
| 20:51.25 | vin` | Madeye: looked at backup-manager? |
| 20:51.35 | a1fa | Seb: is it worth running sid on the sparc platform? |
| 20:51.45 | Madeye | vin`, apting |
| 20:51.49 | ma3x | did anybody with debian succeed in compiling mplayer and after that mplayerplug-in (firefox) ? |
| 20:52.01 | Seb | a1fa: look man, this has nothing to do with sparc, ok ? |
| 20:52.07 | stew | ma3x: marillat did, /msg dpkg marillat |
| 20:52.12 | a1fa | Seb: damn it dude |
| 20:52.17 | a1fa | Seb: yes or no question |
| 20:52.23 | Seb | a1fa: if you're with stable, and need more recent packages, try testing maybe, or backports |
| 20:52.26 | vin` | Madeye: haven't tried it across machines, but it works well. |
| 20:52.28 | a1fa | ok |
| 20:52.29 | ma3x | stew, yes of course, but his mplayer is very old! |
| 20:52.35 | Seb | a1fa: don't go that route |
| 20:52.37 | a1fa | Seb: i am going to run stable for now |
| 20:52.51 | a1fa | ~sid |
| 20:52.54 | apt | hmm... sid is the unstable version of Debian. Don't use it unless you know what you're doing, or it can break horribly. a kid in "Toy Story" who was "unstable" and would break toys. There's no reason to backronym Debian/sid to "Still in Development", or see sid faq. sid requires use of bts (by design) or ELSE! |
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| 20:52.59 | abrotman | Madeye: amanda may be what you want .. |
| 20:53.04 | a1fa | ok.. so testing |
| 20:53.07 | a1fa | makes sence |
| 20:53.10 | ma3x | stew, I want to build mplayer and then install mplayerplug-in (marillat's), but it says I have to install mplayer as package also. Do you know any way round? |
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| 20:53.17 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 20:53.17 | dpkg | Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntulinux.org and/or visit #ubuntu, right here on IRC. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
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| 20:53.33 | rigor | abrotman: doesn't xorg come with the fglrx driver? |
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| 20:53.41 | abrotman | uh .. no . it's not an open driver |
| 20:53.46 | abrotman | rigor: what card do you have? |
| 20:53.49 | Seb | a1fa: just realize that "is it worth running sid on the foo platform?" is a question that doesn't make sense. Just ask about sid. sid on sparc or mips has nothing specific , really. |
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| 20:53.56 | rigor | abrotman: radeon X800GT |
| 20:54.02 | abrotman | pretty new? |
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| 20:54.17 | a1fa | Seb: i guess; |
| 20:54.20 | RIPS | hi all |
| 20:54.21 | rigor | abrotman: yes. is there a debian way of doing the ati thing? |
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| 20:54.37 | a1fa | Seb: can sparc take any ps2 keyboard? sparc keyboard sucks |
| 20:54.40 | abrotman | rigor: do you want accleration for GL ? |
| 20:54.54 | abrotman | a1fa: assuming you tell it you have another keyboard .. btw .. sparc keyboards rule |
| 20:54.56 | Seb | a1fa: sparc keyboards are the only true keyboards. |
| 20:55.01 | rigor | abrotman: not really (yet). but 'ati' driver doesn't work. |
| 20:55.02 | RIPS | I nned help |
| 20:55.04 | Seb | abrotman: heh |
| 20:55.05 | abrotman | stop-a .. god's gift to dorks |
| 20:55.10 | RIPS | i want to install my gamepad... |
| 20:55.12 | abrotman | http://ftp.x.org/pub/X11R7.0/doc/html/radeon.4.html |
| 20:55.12 | Seb | oh hell yeah |
| 20:55.25 | Azar | ma3x: if you scroll up you will see the url I gave to seb- check it out |
| 20:55.35 | abrotman | rigor: says you can have 2d with 6.9/7.0 |
| 20:55.49 | RIPS | someone can help me ? |
| 20:56.15 | rigor | abrotman: will look. tnx |
| 20:56.15 | Azar | RIPS ask your question |
| 20:56.24 | abrotman | he did .. kin dof |
| 20:56.30 | RIPS | i want to install my Gamedpad |
| 20:56.51 | CoolCubix | Hi all, i can't mount my USB-key, which is (according to qparted) in fat16. I've tried several things like 'mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /media/key', but it still doesn't work... |
| 20:57.10 | RIPS | mount it on /mnt/usb for example |
| 20:57.26 | a1fa | lol |
| 20:57.29 | RIPS | and put lines on your /etc/fstab |
| 20:57.30 | RIPS | :) |
| 20:57.30 | a1fa | i lost my console screen |
| 20:57.36 | a1fa | w/ kernel update |
| 20:57.41 | a1fa | 2.6.8 |
| 20:57.52 | a1fa | i can ssh to the box, but i cant do console login |
| 20:57.59 | CoolCubix | dmesg says 'VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev sda1.' |
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| 20:58.26 | CoolCubix | but it's sure that it is the key... (i can see it in qparted) |
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| 20:58.35 | RIPS | format it! :) |
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| 20:58.58 | CoolCubix | :/ |
| 20:58.59 | MJ | Anyone else having trouble booting with the latest initramfs-tools update? |
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| 20:59.07 | MJ | I get dropped into busybox |
| 20:59.19 | MJ | with a message /dev/root isn't available |
| 20:59.27 | MJ | that device is indeed not there |
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| 20:59.31 | RIPS | someone for help me ?! :p |
| 20:59.35 | stew | MJ: yeah i had that problem today, do you use lvm? |
| 20:59.41 | MJ | Yes |
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| 20:59.46 | stew | MJ: is your root on lvm? |
| 21:00.04 | MJ | Erm, no actually ... |
| 21:00.07 | MJ | No lvm |
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| 21:00.15 | MJ | (machine confusion) |
| 21:00.36 | ma3x | Azar, what about that url? it just explains the methods |
| 21:00.41 | MJ | I do get a busybox error on mknod |
| 21:00.55 | stew | MJ: ok, i *think* my problem was related to lvm, but i'm not sure. i'm back up now by using yaird instead of initramfs-tools |
| 21:00.59 | MJ | before getting dropped into busybox there is a busybox mknod help message |
| 21:01.06 | MJ | Check for that message |
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| 21:01.20 | MJ | (SHIFT-PAGEUP if needed) |
| 21:01.24 | ma3x | if I build from source, then how can I build .deb package? should I use --prefix=/dir ? |
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| 21:01.43 | a1fa | kernel2.6.8 is evil on sparc |
| 21:01.44 | MJ | if you type busybox mknod |
| 21:01.45 | a1fa | lol |
| 21:01.48 | MJ | at the prompt |
| 21:01.55 | MJ | you'll get to see the message too |
| 21:02.16 | MJ | noone else have the same prob? |
| 21:02.17 | Azar | ma3x: it explains how to get it with Debian |
| 21:02.17 | menko | hi people, I have no mplayer in my debian sid repos, on the nz debian server. Is it supposed to be there? |
| 21:02.23 | stew | MJ: check the bts. i can't try to reproduce now, i wasted too many work hours on it already today |
| 21:02.26 | ma3x | Azar, marillat? |
| 21:02.29 | MJ | menko: Nope |
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| 21:02.39 | Azar | ma3x: yes |
| 21:02.44 | stew | menko: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 21:02.48 | menko | thanks |
| 21:03.01 | MJ | menko:use deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat sid main |
| 21:03.02 | ma3x | Azar, but his version of mplayer is from february! |
| 21:03.21 | Azar | ma3x: then do what stew showed to menko |
| 21:03.23 | MJ | stew: there is no matching bug for my prob |
| 21:03.24 | seb- | why use --purge when removing a package? what does? |
| 21:03.31 | MJ | I did see some lvm stuff there |
| 21:03.32 | stew | ma3x: you could try applying his .diff.gz to the newer upstream sources |
| 21:03.43 | MJ | seb-: that removes config files too |
| 21:03.52 | Azar | seb-: it also removes dependencies that come with that package |
| 21:03.54 | menko | MJ: thanks, I'll try that |
| 21:04.14 | Seb | huh, i thouhg --purge removed config files |
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| 21:04.18 | Seb | *thought |
| 21:04.19 | seb- | MJ: that is odd that apt-get remove would not REMOVE config files !?! |
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| 21:04.35 | ma3x | stew, how do I do that? |
| 21:04.38 | MJ | seb-: nope, only program and data files |
| 21:04.38 | seb- | Azar: wow, what if you don't want to remove a dependency? |
| 21:04.50 | Seb | MJ: i think you're wrong |
| 21:04.54 | Azar | seb-: maybe it thinks that you will want to reinstall later and leavesthem there for you |
| 21:04.55 | xored | how do i need to set a directories permission, that all files which ar created are from the same user / group the directory is ? |
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| 21:04.57 | MJ | ?? |
| 21:05.00 | stew | ma3x: nevermind |
| 21:05.04 | Seb | MJ: the point of --purge is to remove config files and everything |
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| 21:05.21 | MJ | seb: that's what I mean |
| 21:05.32 | seb- | Azar: if you add and remove lots of packages you'll have lots of zombie config files laying around? yikes? (w/o purge) |
| 21:05.36 | a1fa | tesksel is not working on sparc |
| 21:05.37 | MJ | --purge removes connfig files in addition |
| 21:05.42 | a1fa | lol |
| 21:05.42 | Seb | MJ: ooooh, sorry, I meant azar |
| 21:05.45 | urano2k6 | hi |
| 21:05.49 | a1fa | it works, after 2minutes |
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| 21:05.52 | Seb | MJ: my bad man :) |
| 21:05.59 | MJ | Okay, no prob |
| 21:06.00 | MJ | :) |
| 21:06.00 | Seb | Azar: --purge doesn't remove dependencies |
| 21:06.05 | seb- | Seb: i don't want lots of dead config files from remove packages |
| 21:06.11 | stew | a1fa: how does it both work and not work? |
| 21:06.15 | seb- | Seb: s/remove/removed/ |
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| 21:06.19 | slinn | seb-: then use --purge remove |
| 21:06.19 | MJ | Then always purge and pay the price |
| 21:06.29 | Azar | Seb: my bad I was mistakening |
| 21:06.41 | seb- | slinn, MJ: --purge should be the default |
| 21:06.43 | MJ | but forgot to install the new thunderbird 1.5 |
| 21:06.45 | Seb | Azar: mistakeninged ? :> |
| 21:06.58 | Azar | :) blame it on the wine, Seb |
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| 21:07.10 | MJ | Not for me thanks |
| 21:07.19 | thingfish | yay! for wine. the grape kind, I hope you mean. |
| 21:07.20 | seb- | MJ: why were you glad you left your dead config files? |
| 21:07.25 | MJ | Yes |
| 21:07.25 | slinn | seb-: nah, there's nothing wrong with leaving config files.... especially for people who remove packages only temporarily |
| 21:07.28 | thefish_ | Does Google (for example), with its server farms from hell, connect to the internet via a paid ISP, or does it connect through some NSP, or some other way? |
| 21:07.36 | MJ | Config files are small |
| 21:07.41 | menko | btw, if anyone is wondering, I worked out why fluxbox was slower than on mandriva, it was using menu icons. So, I disabled the section in the menu-methods file, and now it's all zippy again :D |
| 21:07.45 | MJ | And they represent some sweat. |
| 21:07.51 | MJ | So I want them to remain. |
| 21:07.59 | Azar | seb-: I guess it saving bandwidth next time you reinstall a removed package |
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| 21:08.19 | MJ | It is easier to undo an accidental uninstall that way |
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| 21:08.36 | MJ | And aptitude let's you see what packages you have config turds for |
| 21:08.40 | Seb | Azar: huh ? |
| 21:08.41 | Azar | seb-: sometimes you just remove a package so say to accomodate another, then reinstall the removed one |
| 21:08.45 | MJ | So purging is easy |
| 21:08.54 | MJ | Azar: indeed |
| 21:08.59 | seb- | MJ: ok...what command shows the config turds? |
| 21:09.12 | MJ | dunno |
| 21:09.16 | MJ | I look in aptitude |
| 21:09.26 | hax | could someone help me get my cups printer to share with other computers? |
| 21:09.30 | seb- | MJ: synaptic is so much nicer than freaky aptitude |
| 21:09.43 | klync | if i want to set the umask in an init script, can i do that before the start-stop-daemon command, which switches users? |
| 21:10.01 | Azar | seb-: you like the beauty, we like the beast |
| 21:10.16 | MJ | Limit to ~c and see all such packages |
| 21:10.26 | unstable | If someone accidentally types "chmod 666 /" |
| 21:10.29 | unstable | How can they undo it? |
| 21:10.33 | MJ | seb-: Call me freaky, but I prefer the power of aptitude |
| 21:10.46 | MJ | seb-: Then again, I used mutt for the longest time too... |
| 21:10.46 | unstable | aptitude isn't "powerful" |
| 21:10.51 | unstable | It's the apt library and apt-get |
| 21:10.51 | Azar | unstable: then call a witch to break the spell |
| 21:10.56 | Seb | MJ: my man :) |
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| 21:11.03 | thefish_ | chmod 666 / |
| 21:11.11 | stew | unstable: "chmod 755 /" |
| 21:11.13 | MJ | unstable: The UI is more useful to me that synaptics |
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| 21:11.19 | matthias | why doesnt #debian allow tor? |
| 21:11.20 | vin` | abrotman: 'ui text' in /etc/reportbug.conf (wishlist bug not) |
| 21:11.24 | unstable | stew: Isn't that bad? |
| 21:11.32 | hax | i can't figure this out |
| 21:11.34 | seb- | mattias: yea! tor would *ROCK*! |
| 21:11.37 | stew | unstable: no |
| 21:11.38 | hax | print sharing shouldnt be so hard |
| 21:11.38 | hax | heh |
| 21:12.01 | matthias | Seb, but why is tor banned from #debian? |
| 21:12.08 | unstable | stew: That will make it like it was? |
| 21:12.11 | seb- | matthias: i don't know |
| 21:12.22 | Azar | matthias: maybe he was behaving with his ass? |
| 21:12.31 | matthias | Azar, he? |
| 21:12.42 | Azar | matthias: whoever that tor is |
| 21:12.44 | matthias | tor is a proxy network |
| 21:12.58 | Azar | ah.. interesting |
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| 21:13.22 | stew | unstable: almost definately |
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| 21:13.37 | seb- | upgrading and updating sound like the same thing but for no reason update->database and upgrade->packages...where is the logic here? |
| 21:14.04 | jetscreamer | what rack |
| 21:14.14 | Freduardo | soit, nog wa werken voor spaans |
| 21:14.17 | xored | can i set the directory permissions that way, that all created files are from the user, the directory is ? |
| 21:14.26 | Azar | seb-: I find it cool because I might want to update but not upgrade? |
| 21:14.29 | slinn | seb-: hah, the logic is in the definition of the words |
| 21:14.30 | Freduardo | wrong window sry |
| 21:14.35 | unstable | thanks stew |
| 21:14.45 | seb- | slinn: they mean the same thing! |
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| 21:14.56 | Azar | seb-: no |
| 21:14.57 | slinn | seb-: update does not mean upgrade |
| 21:15.00 | a1fa | since when does tasksel install goddam kde? |
| 21:15.16 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 21:15.18 | seb- | slinn: in debian-speak they don't but in rest of world english they do |
| 21:15.36 | stew | a1fa: are you actually looking for an answer to that or are you just looking to complain? |
| 21:15.52 | slinn | seb-: upgrade is not another word for upgrade in english |
| 21:15.56 | a1fa | stew : an answer |
| 21:16.00 | _nil | i can't seem to get the serial ports to show as /dev/tts/0,1,.. on udev/2.6.15. |
| 21:16.01 | Seb | slinn: that was funny :D |
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| 21:16.02 | slinn | seb-: sorry, update |
| 21:16.06 | Seb | slinn: heheh |
| 21:16.16 | a1fa | stew : tasksel needs to be revised [Desktop Enciroment] --- Chose your own |
| 21:16.20 | seb- | slinn: please elaborate...i'm not trolling...i really want to know the subtlety if there is one |
| 21:16.29 | Azar | update: news / upgrade: surgery |
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| 21:16.33 | MJ | seb-: as an admin of multiple boxes I determine what packages to upgrade |
| 21:16.38 | urano2k6 | I have a server in Debian Sarge 3,1, running apache 2,0, php 4,3,10-6 and postgresql7.4.7-6sarge1. The question is, the developed application is very slow to traves of Intranet, the processors (2) estan rested and I number of connections are few. That it could be happening? |
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| 21:16.50 | MJ | seb-: but updating is automated, as well as sending me pending upgrades for me to review |
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| 21:17.08 | stew | a1fa: it started installing kde sometime in 2001 or 2002 |
| 21:17.09 | MJ | seb-: So updating shows me what is new and upgradeable |
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| 21:17.19 | slinn | seb-: you said it yourself... update simply updates your package db... upgrade actually installs the newer packages |
| 21:17.25 | MJ | seb-: upgrading is the actual application of the new packages |
| 21:17.26 | slinn | seb-: gives you a chance to review the new packages |
| 21:17.34 | slinn | seb-: you don't always want the newer ones |
| 21:17.37 | stew | a1fa: it has been revised, todays tasksel has separate kde-desktop and gnome-desktop tasks |
| 21:17.46 | MJ | seb-: that gives me a chance to review the proposed changes |
| 21:18.01 | MJ | I have yet to get yum to give me such an overview... |
| 21:18.17 | seb- | slinn: i think update refers to getting newer information and upgrade refers to getting newer *version* in general terms...what do you think? |
| 21:18.30 | MJ | seb-: yup |
| 21:18.47 | seb- | yay! |
| 21:19.13 | slinn | seb-: see, you knew the logic all along |
| 21:19.43 | Seb | heh |
| 21:19.48 | seb- | slinn: thanks,,,glad i asked now |
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| 21:20.14 | _nil | anyone with udev managing to access to their serial ports? |
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| 21:21.01 | Seb | ah, gotta love working from home, when exactly 15% of your server farm suddenly decides they won't be pingable anymore |
| 21:21.06 | unstable | !tell _nil about anyone |
| 21:21.15 | Seb | i'ma have to drive to work for that sh*t, f*ck me |
| 21:21.22 | _nil | :) |
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| 21:22.22 | abrotman | vin`: huh? |
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| 21:23.49 | vin` | abrotman: it defaults to ui newt now, forget about it. ;) |
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| 21:25.51 | abrotman | vin`: ah .. so you got it changed back? |
| 21:26.13 | vin` | abrotman: yup, comfortable now. |
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| 21:26.46 | MiC | hello |
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| 21:27.20 | leosol_ | hey all - I installed php5 using aptitude. i need to re-configure it to include some XML+XSL functionality. does this mean I need to re-compile php5?? Will this break the current configuration/aptitude installer? |
| 21:27.33 | seb- | why apt-get autoclean doesn't erase all in /var/cache/apt/archives? |
| 21:27.41 | abrotman | it should |
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| 21:28.05 | `mrz | Good evening, |
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| 21:28.21 | seb- | abrotman: how debug? i am pining if that matters |
| 21:28.29 | Seb | seb-: apt-get clean |
| 21:28.38 | `mrz | I've installed Debian on my computer today. and i'd like to install the package named 'nvidia-glx' - however, it doesnt seems to be on the repo |
| 21:28.59 | seb- | Seb: that worked! thanks! you rock! |
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| 21:29.08 | abrotman | seb-: huh ? |
| 21:29.15 | seb- | Seb: why do we need to store so much in cache anyway? |
| 21:29.18 | seb- | abrotman: what? |
| 21:29.19 | thingfish | `mrz: you need to add non-free to sources.list, contrib too. |
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| 21:29.21 | abrotman | seb-: autoclean is the default |
| 21:29.30 | seb- | abrotman: clean worked but autoclean did not |
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| 21:29.48 | `mrz | thingfish, contrib fails while doing apt-get update |
| 21:29.50 | seb- | abrotman: don't shoot me..i'm just the messenger |
| 21:30.15 | abrotman | seb-: i told you why . nevermind ... glad it worked |
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| 21:30.22 | thingfish | !tell `mrz about paster |
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| 21:30.29 | milton | aff |
| 21:30.40 | seb- | abrotman: what do you mean...the default? sorry .not following |
| 21:30.43 | thingfish | `mrz: paste your sources.list |
| 21:30.45 | milton | ae |
| 21:30.52 | thingfish | `mrz: like how dpkg told you. |
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| 21:31.26 | abrotman | seb-: man apt-get .. it tells you about the defaluts |
| 21:31.43 | seb- | abrotman: can i ask you what is purpose of cache? |
| 21:31.56 | abrotman | seb-: in case something breaks .. more useful in sid |
| 21:32.02 | `mrz | thingfish, http://pastebin.com/615053 |
| 21:32.15 | seb- | abrotman: it holds older versions? nice! and smart |
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| 21:32.31 | abrotman | seb-: kind of .. it's weird. . you have to read the man page |
| 21:32.45 | seb- | abrotman: read the man page? that is weird |
| 21:32.55 | abrotman | yeah .. it's like .. words that help |
| 21:33.05 | seb- | abrotman: freaky! :) |
| 21:33.41 | thingfish | `mrz: and nothing changes if you apt-get update? |
| 21:34.04 | `mrz | thingfish, it fails on nvidia-glx. it cannot download the dep 'nvidia-kernel' |
| 21:34.33 | thingfish | `mrz: could be an etch thing. |
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| 21:34.57 | `mrz | i'll compile nvidia myself, much easier :b |
| 21:35.07 | wireddd | is xgl going to get packaged for debian? |
| 21:35.07 | `mrz | thingfish, thanks for the time. 'night |
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| 21:35.17 | thingfish | `mrz: later and good luck. |
| 21:35.21 | vhuren | how do I check the mx records for a particular domain? |
| 21:35.22 | vhuren | what command? |
| 21:35.26 | jetscreamer | nvidia-glx conflicts with xorg 6.9 in etch iirc |
| 21:35.29 | Covener | vhuren: host |
| 21:35.29 | jetscreamer | or did |
| 21:35.41 | abrotman | conflicts .. or just doesn't work ? |
| 21:35.42 | Azar | cryogenics is best left for professionals |
| 21:35.43 | jetscreamer | the nvidia-binary is > anyway |
| 21:35.57 | wireddd | jetscreamer, I have nvidia-glx and xorg installed on etch |
| 21:35.58 | thingfish | thanks, jetscreamer |
| 21:36.01 | jetscreamer | conflicts it said |
| 21:36.03 | stew | wireddd: yes, but gravity is probably going to wait for the gnome trasition before he uploads |
| 21:36.11 | vhuren | covener: huh? |
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| 21:36.30 | Covener | vhuren: bind9-host: /usr/bin/host |
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| 21:36.35 | jetscreamer | i read it about two weeks ago so it could have changed |
| 21:36.42 | Covener | vhuren: as in host -t MX foo.net |
| 21:36.45 | jetscreamer | but there it is (or was) |
| 21:36.48 | vhuren | thanx |
| 21:37.06 | jetscreamer | apt-cache show iirc |
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| 21:40.23 | leosol_ | is there a way to configure PHP using aptitude, or does aptitude only do a base-install? And, is there a better place to be asking this type of question? THX! |
| 21:40.45 | Seb | leosol_: most likely you'll need to edit /etc/php/php.ini |
| 21:41.10 | Knorrie | leosol_: /etc/php4/apache/php.ini perhaps |
| 21:41.13 | leosol_ | seb: well, i think it's actually a "configure" command line param when compiling. |
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| 21:41.20 | leosol_ | i think |
| 21:41.22 | seb- | how improve apt-get update/upgrade cronjob to check for failed packages & report problems? |
| 21:41.25 | Seb | leosol_: which one ? |
| 21:41.40 | Knorrie | leosol_: what configure command, what are you tring to get? |
| 21:41.57 | leosol_ | seb: need to include XSL support, using the --with-xsl=[DIR] argument |
| 21:42.03 | Estes2 | damn, i thought adodb would solve the any_database issue... i was sooooo wrong |
| 21:42.25 | Seb | leosol_: well, are yo usure the default php doesn't have that enabled ? |
| 21:42.40 | Knorrie | leosol_: perhaps you need the package php4-xslt - XSLT module for php4 |
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| 21:42.51 | leosol_ | just looking at phpinfo() output, it's not configured w/ it. i thought this was a command line parm. |
| 21:42.58 | Knorrie | php4-domxml - XMLv2 module for php4 |
| 21:43.02 | leosol_ | knorrie: hmm...interesting thought |
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| 21:43.34 | leosol_ | knorrie: checking |
| 21:43.41 | Knorrie | leosol_: when you install add-on modules via php4-xxx packages, they still won't show up in phpinfo() |
| 21:43.51 | Knorrie | leosol_: i mean, not at the configure-line |
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| 21:44.17 | elirips | Hello. If recompiling the kernel, do I really have to do a full compile again after each little change in the config? Isn't make-kpkg capable of only rebuilding the necessary parts? |
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| 21:45.11 | Nemphilis | hi |
| 21:45.14 | Nemphilis | rsss |
| 21:45.15 | Nemphilis | dnovo |
| 21:45.36 | Knorrie | ? |
| 21:45.42 | Knorrie | Nemphilis: english here |
| 21:46.01 | Knorrie | !br |
| 21:46.01 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 21:48.33 | Nemphilis | sorry |
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| 21:50.28 | Seb | has there really not been one msg in here for the past 2 minutes, or is my irc client acting up ? |
| 21:50.41 | Seb | 13:49:38 Nemphilis | sorry is the last I got |
| 21:50.42 | Knorrie | netsplit? |
| 21:50.47 | Seb | i wonder |
| 21:50.51 | Daveman | boredom? |
| 21:51.02 | cr3 | is there a command that can concatenate two lines from stdin but not remove the trailing newline? for example, tr -d '\n' wouldn't work |
| 21:51.05 | wols | contrary to popular belief, debian isn't wild spamming all day |
| 21:51.06 | Knorrie | perhaps all worlds debian problems are solved tonight |
| 21:51.30 | Seb | Knorrie: i wish, but somehow i doubt that |
| 21:51.38 | Knorrie | :) |
| 21:52.11 | Seb | cr3: "concatenate 2 lines from stdin" ? Try giving an example... |
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| 21:52.34 | Seb | wols: stop spreading FUD :> |
| 21:52.35 | lepton | Seb: messages arrive stochastically. one should expect gaps once in a while |
| 21:52.52 | Seb | lepton: sure thing, but i forgot about such long gaps |
| 21:53.04 | wols | Seb: spammer :P |
| 21:53.08 | Seb | heh |
| 21:53.19 | cr3 | Seb: head -n 2 /etc/termcap | tr -d '\n' # that concatenates the two lines from stdin, but strips the trailing newline |
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| 21:53.37 | leosol_ | knorrie: looks like there was some aptitude phpXSL module or something that at least has the XSLTProcessor() class defined now in PHP. thx! |
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| 21:54.42 | Seb | cr3: the easy fix here is of course to add a trailing newline i guess: sed -e 's/$/\n/' or something |
| 21:54.43 | Knorrie | leosol_: np |
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| 21:55.15 | leosol_ | rock on. that might've saved me a couple hours. |
| 21:55.29 | leosol_ | i owe this channel big time! |
| 21:55.56 | Seb | leosol_: guinness will do fine |
| 21:56.36 | leosol_ | seb: heheh....wish I could just FTP that somewhere |
| 21:56.53 | Seb | leosol_: you could paypal the money ;) |
| 21:56.56 | Seb | leosol_: just kidding |
| 21:56.57 | Seb | :) |
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| 21:57.21 | _sett | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -d 10.18.1.254 -j DNAT --to 172.16.10.5:80 |
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| 21:57.26 | _sett | could anyone help |
| 21:57.29 | leosol_ | seb: no doubt....i'm sure my karma will pull it out of me eventually. but thx again for help! :) |
| 21:57.45 | Seb | _sett: but of course. Want us to guess what you're trying to achieve with this line maybe ? |
| 21:57.52 | _sett | he he no |
| 21:57.55 | _sett | let me explain :)) |
| 21:58.16 | _sett | i want to access host 10.18.1.254 through 172.16.10.1 |
| 21:58.24 | _sett | i am 172.16.10.5 |
| 21:58.33 | wols | _sett: man route |
| 21:58.49 | cr3 | Seb: try your sed expression, doesn't work because sed is line oriented and tr doesn't provide a complete line: head -n 2 /etc/termcap | tr -d '\n' | sed -e 's/$/\n/' |
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| 21:59.21 | _sett | route is ok |
| 21:59.56 | wols | I'm not sure how port forwarding helps you accessing different hosts |
| 22:00.13 | Seb | cr3: "doesn't provide a complete line" ? |
| 22:00.27 | Seb | wols: that's what DNAT is for, indeed |
| 22:00.52 | _sett | hm 172.16.10.1 is a gateway |
| 22:00.56 | _sett | so I am configuring it |
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| 22:01.04 | nougat | question: the timer line in /proc/interrupts should always be increasing, right? |
| 22:01.06 | cr3 | Seb: if I understand correctly, sed expects a "line" to be terminated by the newline character |
| 22:01.21 | cr3 | Seb: have you tried my command? |
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| 22:01.37 | _sett | it has another interface 10.18.1.0 net to which I want 172 to get accessed |
| 22:01.42 | TANATHOS | heya how can i shut down a connection from my debian rooter? |
| 22:01.56 | _sett | the fact is that I don't want to use default route on gateway |
| 22:02.34 | wols | _sett: you using ipmasq package? |
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| 22:02.47 | _sett | I am using iptables |
| 22:03.23 | stew | cr3: echo $(head -2 /some/file | tr -d \\n) |
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| 22:08.38 | cr3 | stew: thanks |
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| 22:09.08 | GutterPunk | Stupid question. What's the best way to make sure ls always works with the --color option? Where should I put the alias? |
| 22:09.33 | eeyore- | GutterPunk: anywhere you like. ~/.bashrc or the global /etc/bashrc |
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| 22:10.13 | stew | GutterPunk: your alias should be: ls='ls --color=auto' ; the auto should only output colors on terms that can handle them |
| 22:10.30 | GutterPunk | eeyore-, thanks |
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| 22:10.40 | GutterPunk | stew, nice, didn't know that |
| 22:10.42 | eeyore- | stew: yeah but "less" also handles color, but ls doesn't think pipes can do color :-) |
| 22:10.52 | Seb | someone wanna talk to me ? Just trying to test this irssi hilight thing, cna't seem to get it right :\ |
| 22:10.58 | eeyore- | ls --color=always | less -R (or -r?) |
| 22:10.59 | erhanr | hi everyone |
| 22:11.03 | Seb | i promise i won't pm you or ask about asl or sh*t like that :) |
| 22:11.11 | stew | eeyore-: hmm yeah |
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| 22:11.32 | azeem | dpkg: hi |
| 22:11.32 | dpkg | hey |
| 22:11.48 | marcot | Hello, is evolution broken in sid? |
| 22:11.58 | azeem | marcot: yes |
| 22:12.08 | abrotman | marcot: http://blog.drinsama.de/erich/en/linux/debian/2006032101-hero-of-the-day |
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| 22:12.13 | abrotman | marcot: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/03/msg00941.html |
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| 22:12.30 | Seb | hmmm, noone then, ok |
| 22:12.43 | ojai | anyone have a recommendation on an IRC server that supports SSL? The only one I can really find that does is unrealircd |
| 22:12.43 | Ronin | Seb: try #irssi |
| 22:12.48 | Seb | Ronin: heh |
| 22:12.52 | Seb | Ronin: thx man |
| 22:13.18 | marcot | thanks. |
| 22:13.45 | marcot | abrotman: it's saying that evolution was corrected upstream, but my sources are up to date. Do you know when will the correction be in sid? |
| 22:14.01 | abrotman | marcot: when it gets there? .. dunno .. i don't run sid |
| 22:14.09 | marcot | abrotman: thanks. |
| 22:14.49 | GutterPunk | Do most people run stable, or do they tend to go etch already? I'm thinking about putting etch on my fileserver |
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| 22:16.16 | nkuttler | GutterPunk: why? |
| 22:16.36 | GutterPunk | dunno :) it's newer |
| 22:16.42 | gnufan | GutterPunk: usually testing lacks security support, so exposed servers usually run stable (or unstable if you like life on the edge). |
| 22:17.04 | nkuttler | well, don't do it unless you have a reason |
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| 22:17.37 | Ronin | just because its newer isnt a good enough reason GutterPunk :) |
| 22:17.42 | GutterPunk | nkuttler, I'm thinking about trying out some software like nufw on it. And I was thinking maybe I should go with newer packages. |
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| 22:18.46 | nkuttler | GutterPunk: bad reason. search a backport or build from source. fileserver sounds like something that should run stable. |
| 22:19.01 | GutterPunk | And my sources say "etch"... That's not really testing is it? I mean, this box will *eventually* go into a stable etch. Am I right? |
| 22:19.02 | strider | gnufan: it does not? |
| 22:19.31 | nkuttler | GutterPunk: etch is testing at present |
| 22:19.53 | Seb | GutterPunk: you are correct, it will be stable at some point |
| 22:20.03 | Seb | GutterPunk: nevertheless you are running testing now |
| 22:20.15 | Seb | GutterPunk: since testing always become stable at some point |
| 22:20.19 | abrotman | no ... |
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| 22:20.24 | abrotman | testing is *always* testing |
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| 22:20.27 | abrotman | etch will be stable one day |
| 22:20.30 | GutterPunk | Yes that's true :) But I just wanted to follow the progress :) I have no complaints about etch so far :) |
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| 22:21.38 | GutterPunk | I just meant that if I would have put "testing" in my sources.list everywhere I'd always be keeping up with testing, and not eventually go to etch stable. |
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| 22:21.51 | thewiz | hi gnome is only showing a maximun resolution of 800x600 ... how do i change that |
| 22:21.52 | thewiz | ? |
| 22:22.59 | gnufan | strider: I didn't follow your question. |
| 22:23.00 | abrotman | thewiz: did you try the resolution switcher in gnome? |
| 22:23.05 | stew | gnufan: he's questioning whether or not you are correct in saying that testing doesn't get seucrity updates |
| 22:23.09 | stew | gnufan: and you are not correct |
| 22:23.14 | strider | gnufan: you said testing lacks security support |
| 22:23.15 | cievo | hello all |
| 22:23.16 | thewiz | yes, it only shows 640x480 and 800x600 |
| 22:23.35 | thewiz | abrotman ... i was thinking of the command to reconfigure X again ??? maybe ? |
| 22:23.43 | abrotman | !drxx thewiz |
| 22:23.44 | dpkg | thewiz: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 22:26.04 | eeyore- | thewiz: convince X that your monitor can go higher |
| 22:26.12 | abrotman | will it to do so |
| 22:26.38 | thewiz | lol, thats what i am trying to do .. if i just knew how |
| 22:26.39 | eeyore- | bribing it with cookies and milk works better |
| 22:26.49 | eeyore- | thewiz: /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 22:27.18 | Seb | eeyore-: that, or beer |
| 22:27.20 | Seb | :> |
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| 22:28.11 | dpm__ | I tried to do an upgrade from sarge to etch by changing all references to stable to testing in the sources.list file and then running synaptic with the "smart upgrade" option. While upgrading I got lots of locale errors, as in "Setting locale failed", "Falling back to the standard locale ("C")" and so on. Now I've rebooted and x won't start. Any ideas anyone? |
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| 22:28.22 | eeyore- | chatzilla? |
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| 22:29.13 | PF | Hello everyone |
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| 22:29.36 | nikov^out | <nikov^out> hello I have problem with send mails |
| 22:29.36 | nikov^out | <nikov^out> when I send e-mail to some serverver like yahoo.com |
| 22:29.37 | nikov^out | <nikov^out> it give me |
| 22:29.37 | nikov^out | <nikov^out> Fw: Warning: could not send message for past 4 hours |
| 22:29.37 | nikov^out | <nikov^out> why is this error |
| 22:29.37 | nikov^out | <nikov^out> and how can I fix it |
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| 22:29.39 | Seb | dpm__: you upgraded to testing, which runs x.org and not xfree86, you'll need to configure it |
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| 22:29.59 | PF | Is there a utlity that can reconfigure a interface (other than the interface I configured during the initial install)? |
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| 22:30.13 | Seb | PF: edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:30.17 | orangizer | hi all |
| 22:30.20 | aboyousif | hi , i need some help with hosts .. ,my eth0 was suddenly hangs and i restarted the pc and there is no hosts in the list |
| 22:30.25 | orangizer | i have installed hp 1220c |
| 22:30.29 | nikov^out | can you help me with send mail and tell me why is this errot with sendmail : Fw: Warning: could not send message for past 4 hours |
| 22:30.31 | orangizer | then |
| 22:30.36 | PF | Seb: You mean manually edit the interfaces file, right |
| 22:30.39 | Seb | nikov^out: try #sendmail |
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| 22:30.42 | orangizer | i'm going to mount the pendrive |
| 22:30.43 | dpm__ | Seb, ok thanks. But I guess that's unrelated to the locale problem |
| 22:30.44 | Seb | PF: correct |
| 22:30.47 | orangizer | but i can't |
| 22:30.49 | Seb | dpm__: it is |
| 22:30.50 | orangizer | any idea? |
| 22:30.55 | nikov^out | I tryed nobody talk there |
| 22:31.03 | aboyousif | i added just 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain .. what is else ? |
| 22:31.13 | nikov^out | I just want to ask is this error is from reverse dns |
| 22:31.20 | nikov^out | ? |
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| 22:31.37 | escalade | hello |
| 22:32.10 | nikov^out | I just want to ask is it possible this error to be from reverse dns ? |
| 22:32.11 | aboyousif | ! tell aboyousit about Hosts |
| 22:32.13 | escalade | some here that can answer some questions? |
| 22:32.41 | Seb | nikov^out: go back there and wait. Alternatively, try to figure out the right way to ask your question: all you've told us is "Fw: Warning: could not send message for past 4 hours", how the fcuk do you expect us to figure out anything ? |
| 22:32.47 | Seb | escalade: don't ask to ask, ask. |
| 22:32.55 | escalade | =) |
| 22:33.25 | eeyore- | orangizer: why can't you? what error are you getting? |
| 22:33.27 | escalade | is it posible to install debian with 2.6 kernel default? |
| 22:33.42 | Seb | escalade: yeah, the woody installer can do that IIRC |
| 22:33.53 | streuner_ | heh |
| 22:33.59 | orangizer | eeyore-: i do this ls /dev/sd* |
| 22:33.59 | escalade | is that a different cd? |
| 22:34.02 | Seb | it might even be the default, nowadays, no ? |
| 22:34.16 | streuner_ | default is 2.4.x |
| 22:34.18 | escalade | installed yesterday in its kernel 2.4 |
| 22:34.19 | orangizer | eeyore-: and i get this /dev/sdb1 an /dev/sdb |
| 22:34.19 | eeyore- | orangizer: did you load "sd_mod"? |
| 22:34.19 | gnufan | strider: is that not the case. My understanding is that the security team are currently supporting Woody, and Sarge, and that anything else is just a bonus. |
| 22:34.19 | dpm__ | Seb, well, "X -configure" won't run, the server aborts (Caught signal 11. Server aborting). Any ideas? |
| 22:34.31 | orangizer | eeyore-: what? |
| 22:34.40 | aboyousif | escalade, just type linux26 when installing |
| 22:34.40 | strider | gnufan: /msg dpkg testing security |
| 22:34.42 | Seb | dpm__: you did read the topic, correct ? |
| 22:34.46 | escalade | found al manual to go from 2.4 to.2.6 but it need some packages that are not on the mirror :x |
| 22:34.47 | eeyore- | orangizer: OK, so what's the problem? (/dev/sdb1 and /dev/sdb) |
| 22:35.04 | escalade | aboyousif: at boot? |
| 22:35.06 | orangizer | eeyore-: i try to mount them |
| 22:35.31 | Seb | escalade: you sure you installing woody ? Try f3 at ithe initial boot menu, you'll get all the options |
| 22:35.33 | aboyousif | when you enter the cd to first install and asked you to press f1 for help or enter to continue |
| 22:35.37 | aboyousif | escalade, . |
| 22:35.39 | orangizer | eeyore-: i have problems since i have installed the usb printer |
| 22:36.06 | orangizer | i try to mount them, mount /dev/sdb1 |
| 22:36.09 | escalade | Seb i installed debian from the downloaded cd, no idea i could those for 2.6 or something like that |
| 22:36.11 | orangizer | but i get this error |
| 22:36.16 | eeyore- | (finally) |
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| 22:36.24 | dpm__ | Seb, I'm sorry |
| 22:36.27 | bigbug | buenas tardes |
| 22:36.40 | escalade | guys thx for quick response. i gonne try! |
| 22:36.41 | eeyore- | (waiting for "this error") |
| 22:36.49 | orangizer | hola bigbug |
| 22:36.49 | eeyore- | (here it comes) |
| 22:36.56 | aboyousif | escalade, BTW.. if you using stable don't use 2.6 kernel i prefer not cause the mouse dev bug |
| 22:37.01 | eeyore- | (nope, guess "this error" isn't coming, yet) |
| 22:37.26 | bigbug | hola organizer |
| 22:37.33 | bigbug | que onda carnal |
| 22:37.34 | escalade | aboyousif: 2.6 is so much faster cant do without :) |
| 22:37.55 | nikov^out | Here is the problem: When I changed my mail server to other machine not the same then this problem occured I can't send e-mails.When I send mail after 1-2 hours it give me Fw: Warning: could not send message for past 4 hours.I want to ask how to fix it and I think that I didn't set reverse dns.Is it possible this is the reason for this error? |
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| 22:38.04 | strider | gnufan: it's been a while :) http://lwn.net/Articles/151062/ |
| 22:38.25 | orangizer | este canal es el mejor bigbug |
| 22:38.26 | eeyore- | nikov^out: anything is possible, including rats chewing on your cabling ... |
| 22:38.33 | orangizer | para resolver problemas |
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| 22:38.38 | eeyore- | nikov^out: so, read the mail log file |
| 22:38.40 | aboyousif | escalade, yes but you will need to upgrade it to something like 2.6.12 with the stable .. the default 2.6 with stable is 2.6.8 and it has a mouse dev bug |
| 22:38.56 | ledet | shouldnt it be possible to select the megaraid2 driver somewhere during the installation of debian? |
| 22:39.11 | gnufan | strider: thanks -- I'll catch up shortly -- damn they don't have a newer drupal package, that is still in unstable -- sigh. |
| 22:39.20 | escalade | aboyousif: ah ok. thx for info |
| 22:39.31 | aboyousif | escalade, you are welcome |
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| 22:40.39 | gnufan | strider: ignore me -- testing does have the latest drupal |
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| 22:41.05 | nikov^out | here: Mar 22 00:31:09 mail sendmail[16560]: k2KETQ8S011307: to=<xxx@xxxxxxx.xxx>, ctladdr=<xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx> (514/200), delay=1+08:01:37, xdelay=00:02:00, mailer=esmtp, pri=2100434, relay=mail.xxxxxx.xxx. [xx.xx.xx.xx], dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: Connection timed out with mail.xxxxxxxx.xxx. |
| 22:41.13 | gnufan | strider: hmm -- I can feel an upgrade coming on..... but after the vacation |
| 22:41.13 | TANATHOS | how do I stop an ip from rooter? |
| 22:41.22 | TANATHOS | pls asisstance |
| 22:41.26 | eeyore- | nikov^out: well then, "connection timed out" |
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| 22:41.55 | eeyore- | nikov^out: try, "host -t mx domain.com" and try to traceroute to it, or ping it, or just telnet to port 25 and see what happens |
| 22:41.56 | strider | gnufan: heh, cool ;) |
| 22:42.01 | Seb | TANATHOS: you use iptables. THe Netfilter howto is really good. |
| 22:42.15 | TANATHOS | a link pls |
| 22:42.20 | Azar | TANATHOS: enter the IP # in /etc/hosts.deny |
| 22:42.28 | Seb | TANATHOS: ask for netfilter howto in google goddammit |
| 22:42.34 | eeyore- | nikov^out: usually, "connection timed out" means "the remote MX either doesn't exist (spam?) or it exists but the admins are drunk/sleeping and haven't noticed" |
| 22:42.45 | TANATHOS | it's a C class ip (192.168.0.11) from my rooter and i didn't shape my bandwidth |
| 22:42.56 | TANATHOS | it's leeching all my bandwidth |
| 22:42.57 | Seb | TANATHOS: like I said, read the netfilter howto |
| 22:43.32 | patrice_ | hi! i need help with gd php extension: apache error log says: PHP Warning: Unknown(): Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php4/20020429-zts/gd.so' - libX11.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory in Unknown on line 0 |
| 22:43.52 | strider | gnufan: isn't 4.6 something the latest? |
| 22:43.59 | nikov^out | uvt.bg mail is handled by 4 mail.uvt.bg. |
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| 22:44.05 | eeyore- | patrice_: you run apache in chroot environment? |
| 22:44.07 | nikov^out | here is the result |
| 22:44.10 | patrice_ | libX11.so.6 is in /usr/X11R6/lib |
| 22:44.21 | Azar | TANATHOS: http://www.linuxguruz.com/iptables/howto/iptables-HOWTO.html#toc5 |
| 22:44.21 | patrice_ | eeyore-, no, not chrooted |
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| 22:44.34 | eeyore- | patrice_: ldd /usr/lib/php4/20020429-zts/gd.so |
| 22:44.41 | Seb | nikov^out: maybe you're blacklisted |
| 22:44.43 | gnufan | strider: 4.7 is about to be released I think, big changes, but hey the version in unstable lets you do that little bit more, and still has security supper. |
| 22:44.55 | Seb | nikov^out: so *your* connections to this host are timing out |
| 22:45.00 | gnufan | s/supper/support/ freudian slip? |
| 22:45.20 | patrice_ | eeyore-, it says libX11.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6 (0x77e0e000) |
| 22:45.46 | patrice_ | directory is mod 644 |
| 22:45.53 | patrice_ | should be readable |
| 22:46.13 | eeyore- | patrice_: no, directory should be 755 |
| 22:47.03 | eeyore- | nikov^out: i'd say the MX is down and nobody noticed :-) |
| 22:47.11 | patrice_ | eeyore-, hu, that's what I meant :) the file is 644 |
| 22:47.18 | eeyore- | nikov^out: anyway, it's not *our* problem. it's not *debian's* problem. call someone else. |
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| 22:47.36 | eeyore- | patrice_: ldd /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6 |
| 22:47.46 | strider | gnufan: yes, beta 6. Wonder how much more time they will take |
| 22:47.50 | nadim | who do I talk to about gnats - I just 'apt-install'ed it and it looks like the various persmissions are wrong (this on sarge) |
| 22:47.59 | eeyore- | nikov^out: i can't traceroute to it either, stops somewhere in the middle |
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| 22:48.30 | patrice_ | eeyore-, returned 3 lines: |
| 22:48.34 | patrice_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:48.35 | patrice_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:48.35 | patrice_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:48.40 | Knorrie | NO! |
| 22:48.45 | eeyore- | oh wait. i can get connected :-) nevermind |
| 22:48.52 | Knorrie | patrice_: pastebin.com |
| 22:49.02 | Seb | nadim: file a bug |
| 22:49.08 | Seb | eeyore-: yeah, he blacklisted most likely |
| 22:49.10 | patrice_ | Knorrie, ok sorry, i thought 3 lines is ok |
| 22:49.25 | eeyore- | patrice_: hmmmmmm, odd |
| 22:49.49 | eeyore- | patrice_: are you sure it's not chroot'd at all? |
| 22:50.11 | patrice_ | eeyore-, there's no reason to be |
| 22:50.25 | eeyore- | patrice_: well, there's the big "no such file or directory" |
| 22:50.36 | Seb | patrice_: no reason to be sure it's not ? :) |
| 22:50.56 | patrice_ | how do you know? |
| 22:51.03 | patrice_ | a parameter in http.conf ? |
| 22:51.37 | patrice_ | i've never chrooted apache, maybe i should |
| 22:52.27 | patrice_ | btw, i'm running sarge on a virtual dedicated server |
| 22:52.45 | gnufan | patrice_: did you uncomment any gd.so line in the ini file? |
| 22:53.02 | eeyore- | patrice_: well there ... "virtual dedicated server" is a big BIG red flag |
| 22:53.18 | eeyore- | patrice_: how do you think "virtual dedicated server" are made? :-) |
| 22:53.30 | eeyore- | *ding* *ding* *ding* *ding* *ding* |
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| 22:54.09 | patrice_ | eeyore-, what do you mean ? |
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| 22:54.48 | patrice_ | it used to work, but one day after restarting apache it didn't :( |
| 22:54.51 | seb- | apt-get -t unstable upgrade <--ever used? |
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| 22:57.57 | patrice_ | well, thanks for your help |
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| 22:58.02 | patrice_ | gtg, bye |
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| 22:58.08 | Seb | SimonRaven: hi man |
| 22:59.12 | SimonRaven | Seb: tansi |
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| 22:59.56 | SimonRaven | Seb: (means hi, how are you doing?) |
| 23:00.02 | Seb | hah |
| 23:00.06 | Seb | doing good, doing good :) |
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| 23:01.14 | escalade | friend of mine ask, why use debian and not ubuntu? one thing i can comeup with is its not that bleeded? |
| 23:01.40 | wols | Ubuntu is a desktop distro |
| 23:01.59 | Seb | escalade: "bloated" ? |
| 23:02.04 | wols | and no repository is as good as debians |
| 23:02.04 | Phleagor | and debian is...? |
| 23:02.19 | Ronin | damn stable :) |
| 23:02.24 | escalade | wols: in 5.10 is also possible to install as server |
| 23:02.33 | Phleagor | yes, but you can use it as a desktop system |
| 23:02.34 | escalade | seb bloated right |
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| 23:02.40 | wols | yes. you can even install windwos as a server. so? |
| 23:02.55 | escalade | wols: its a option at boot |
| 23:03.07 | wols | do you need a boot option "server"? |
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| 23:03.22 | escalade | lol thats not what im saying |
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| 23:04.44 | clojster | how can I install older version of nvidia drivers which I have installed from debian repository using m-a auto-install nvidia? |
| 23:04.45 | escalade | wols: true |
| 23:05.05 | Ronin | but seriously id probibly suggest ubuntu to a linux newbie, easier on thiers and my head :) then once they get thier feet wet hand the a netinstall cd |
| 23:05.39 | escalade | i used gentoo for longtime, but the compiling times... wast of time |
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| 23:06.05 | escalade | today installed gentoo on machine 4+ hours... |
| 23:06.52 | Ronin | escalade: and tomorrow install fluxbox heh |
| 23:07.12 | escalade | hehe |
| 23:07.50 | escalade | planned for today to have 2 linux machines with quagga. ended with zero :x also due hardware defects |
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| 23:08.26 | escalade | i go offtopic.. |
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| 23:09.33 | JohnFlux | escalade: what's quagga? |
| 23:09.35 | JohnFlux | !quagga |
| 23:09.35 | dpkg | it has been said that quagga is new routing daemon.Like zebra. http://www.quagga.net |
| 23:09.40 | JohnFlux | ah |
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| 23:10.07 | Phleagor | kewl |
| 23:10.10 | Phleagor | !linux |
| 23:10.11 | dpkg | well, linux is closed |
| 23:10.18 | Phleagor | hm? |
| 23:10.26 | escalade | we have cisco asa firewall but doesnt support active routing so we need 2 routers for testing and quagga is cisco like commands |
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| 23:15.36 | aboyousif | wanna to ask .. apache is not working with localhost when i try to restart it it say no pidfile found! not running? what is the problem ? |
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| 23:15.57 | kingmike | Hi. I am configuring a nat routeur so people can send mails to my postfix server. What ports should I forward ? |
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| 23:16.17 | escalade | aboyousif: had that a long time ago |
| 23:16.33 | Ronin | kingmike: you tried looking on google i presume? |
| 23:16.40 | escalade | was like a not a complete install of apache |
| 23:16.41 | kingmike | Ronin : yes |
| 23:16.44 | stew | kingmike: 25 |
| 23:16.45 | aboyousif | escalade, and what you did ? |
| 23:16.45 | Aronofsky | hi , i try ton install a minimalistic kde , so i install kdebase , but apparently it doesn't install xserver automaticaly , is it normal ? |
| 23:16.54 | Ronin | then you should know what ports :) |
| 23:17.02 | kingmike | stew : that's for smtp, I dont want to forward my smtp server |
| 23:17.04 | JohnFlux | Aronofsky: right, kde doesn't need X |
| 23:17.05 | escalade | clean up the mess en reinstalled apache |
| 23:17.09 | stew | kingmike: right |
| 23:17.15 | JohnFlux | Aronofsky: you can run kde on one machine then export to another machine with X |
| 23:17.25 | aboyousif | it was working at the morning but after the etho hangs and restarted the pc it stop |
| 23:17.27 | stew | Aronofsky: that is normal, you could be using it with a remote x server, install x-window-system-core |
| 23:17.32 | escalade | aboyousif: also tried creating the file myself but that doesnt work |
| 23:17.40 | kingmike | Ronin : I am really confused with the results. I don't want to be able to access my mail accounts from the internet, I just want people to send me mails |
| 23:17.42 | dumezil | is there a better way to do a surface level scan of a disk other than dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb |
| 23:17.44 | stew | kingmike: postfix is an smtp server |
| 23:17.59 | JohnFlux | dumezil: man fdisk |
| 23:18.05 | Aronofsky | stew, ok thx , didnt think of that |
| 23:18.33 | kingmike | stew : yes, so you mean that just opening port 25 should work ? |
| 23:18.42 | JohnFlux | dumezil: man fsck haha sorry |
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| 23:18.57 | dahkneth | Hmmm I have a hard question, anyone know what kind of memory this is and and what computer it would fit in? chipset is samsung k4s510832b-tc75 |
| 23:19.12 | JohnFlux | dahkneth: google? |
| 23:19.13 | Aronofsky | stew, kdebase is in the minimal kde , theres nothing lighter |
| 23:19.17 | Aronofsky | ? |
| 23:19.26 | JohnFlux | Aronofsky: what do you want? |
| 23:19.32 | dahkneth | JohnFlux: tried google found out it's a 512mb b-die so-dimm |
| 23:19.35 | JohnFlux | Aronofsky: kdebase will give you kicker, kwin, etc |
| 23:19.39 | stew | Aronofsky: yes, afaik, at least according to /msg dpkg kde |
| 23:19.44 | stew | Aronofsky: err /msg dpkg install kde |
| 23:19.54 | JohnFlux | dahkneth: there you go |
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| 23:20.00 | stew | kingmike: what are you hoping to do? send mail to the server from remote or check your mail from remote? |
| 23:20.21 | Aronofsky | JohnDoh, want kde with as little apps as possible |
| 23:20.31 | dahkneth | JohnFlux: ohh and it's a 133mhz so-dimm as well, how ever it doesn't work with most laptops |
| 23:20.39 | dahkneth | JohnFlux: so I wonder what b-die means? |
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| 23:21.03 | coder_5 | hi! |
| 23:21.08 | nse | hello! |
| 23:21.18 | eeyore- | dumezil: ide smart, tell it to do long offline test? |
| 23:21.18 | eeyore- | dumezil: hmm, if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb will write to your disk ... |
| 23:21.18 | eeyore- | kingmike: there's more than just forwarding the port ... do you have a domain? |
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| 23:21.21 | coder_5 | i installed dbian with /boot on raid1 and / on raid5. |
| 23:21.33 | coder_5 | how to rescue such a system? |
| 23:21.49 | coder_5 | i guess i have to execute grub... |
| 23:21.51 | eeyore- | dahkneth: look at the stick itself. is it PC100/133 or DDR, or DDR-2 |
| 23:21.57 | kingmike | stew : I am trying (or, right, hoping) to make my own imap server. I am already able to send mails with no external mail server. I have a host name, and I would like to be able to receive mails at me@myhost |
| 23:21.59 | JohnFlux | coder_5: you put /boot on raid? |
| 23:22.02 | JohnFlux | coder_5: hmm |
| 23:22.08 | eeyore- | dahkneth: knowing the chip designation does not help you *at all* |
| 23:22.17 | stew | kingmike: imap is port 143 (getent services imap) |
| 23:22.21 | coder_5 | JohnFlux, sure.. raid1 works even with lilo... |
| 23:22.37 | JohnFlux | coder_5: i thought only if you marked that section as not to raid |
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| 23:22.46 | JohnFlux | coder_5: according to what i vagually remember from the raid howto |
| 23:22.49 | coder_5 | i would have liked raid5 better, but was not sure wheter grub supports it (i guiess not.) |
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| 23:22.52 | stew | kingmike: also note that postfix isnt' an imap server |
| 23:22.53 | rpmx | hi |
| 23:22.56 | dahkneth | eeyore-: the stick itself looks like it's a PC100/133 |
| 23:22.59 | eeyore- | kingmike: how do you know you will receive mail at me@myhost? |
| 23:23.05 | rpmx | I have file of 80mb |
| 23:23.05 | JohnFlux | coder_5: ah yeah raid 1 |
| 23:23.07 | kingmike | stew : ok, thanks, I didn't know this getent thing |
| 23:23.12 | eeyore- | dahkneth: well then, doesn't that answer your question? |
| 23:23.34 | rpmx | with ->sed -n '/DATO1/,+6 p' data.txt I can see part of information |
| 23:23.36 | dahkneth | eeyore-: nope, because I got 2 of them and I've tested them in 2 of my laptops and they doesn't work |
| 23:23.44 | coder_5 | the debian minimal cd has no option like : rescue... |
| 23:23.51 | eeyore- | dahkneth: well, no. laptops usually use SODIMM |
| 23:24.01 | dahkneth | eeyore-: it's a SODIMM |
| 23:24.04 | eeyore- | dahkneth: some of them will be DDR, some will be DDR-2 |
| 23:24.05 | coder_5 | any suggestion what to use? |
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| 23:24.20 | eeyore- | dahkneth: DDR-2 is really close to DDR, except the key is offset by about 1.5mm |
| 23:24.40 | yggdrasil | xoz that ardour is like the best ive ever seen. |
| 23:24.43 | dahkneth | eeyore-: I can only use PC100/133 SODIMM's in my laptop. |
| 23:25.01 | eeyore- | dahkneth: does the stick plug in? :-) |
| 23:25.05 | dahkneth | eeyore-: yep |
| 23:25.16 | eeyore- | dahkneth: and ... laptop doesn't recognize it? |
| 23:25.21 | rpmx | I wanna see all data, the question is: can I read data between string1 data string2 ? |
| 23:25.26 | dahkneth | eeyore-: neither one of my laptops recognize them |
| 23:25.42 | eeyore- | dahkneth: well :-) not much else you can do but return them |
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| 23:26.18 | JohnFlux | dumezil: did you work it out |
| 23:26.24 | dahkneth | eeyore-: I don't think they're borked, must be some special memory, you know what b-die means? |
| 23:26.44 | JohnFlux | dumezil: it is a bit confusing |
| 23:26.55 | eeyore- | dahkneth: oh, there's one other thing |
| 23:27.13 | JohnFlux | dumezil: the answer is to use: e2fsck -c -c /dev/hda (umount first!!) |
| 23:27.21 | eeyore- | dahkneth: it might be that the memory sticks are "too dense" for your memory controller. your memory controller might have limitation as to chip counts, no double-sided, etc. |
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| 23:27.45 | JohnFlux | dumezil: see man badblocks |
| 23:27.50 | dahkneth | eeyore-: my memory controller handles 512mb 133mhz SODIMM's double-sided. |
| 23:28.09 | eeyore- | dahkneth: OK, i'm out of ideas :-) |
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| 23:28.22 | rpmx | How to I can read data between string1 data string2 in file of 80MB? |
| 23:28.37 | dahkneth | eeyore-: ok might have to call samsung then |
| 23:28.41 | JohnFlux | rpmx: seperated by a space? |
| 23:28.45 | cire | how do I set up /etc in a different partition than root? Is there a kernel option? |
| 23:28.51 | eeyore- | dahkneth: OK, *one* other thing .. maybe it's not got the proper timings in EEPROM? |
| 23:29.18 | coder_5 | whoaa... got it to work. (used a cd-rescue system to kick the raids on.. sad that such a usefull thing is not integrated on the debian cd... ) |
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| 23:29.35 | JohnFlux | rpmx: echo hello there friend | awk '{print $2;}' |
| 23:29.40 | JohnFlux | there |
| 23:29.40 | rpmx | JohnFlux, not space, only string1 and string2 |
| 23:29.50 | JohnFlux | rpmx: give an example line |
| 23:29.57 | dahkneth | eeyore-: could you tell me what EEPROM is? |
| 23:30.15 | coder_5 | electric eraseable prom |
| 23:30.24 | disposable | if i uncomment ALL:PARANOID in /etc/hosts.deny of my server and put one entry into /etc/hosts.allow, will this allowed machine become the only machine i can use to ssh onto the server? |
| 23:30.48 | eeyore- | dahkneth: on the dimm stick, there should be an 8-pin or so chip that contains the timings for that particular stick. it might not have been programmed properly, or it might be, but your laptop decides it can't support it for some reason. fairly common on older parts. |
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| 23:32.22 | dahkneth | eeyore-: ok hmm... well I'll call samsung and get this sorted out. |
| 23:32.24 | eeyore- | disposable: ALL:PARANOID is meant for different thing |
| 23:32.39 | eeyore- | disposable: PARANOID is meant to ensure that forward/reverse lookup match |
| 23:32.43 | Azar | disposable read about denyhosts |
| 23:32.52 | cire | please, I can't google this question, because I get that much hits. (all about /etc/fstab) Is it possible to move /etc to another partition, and how? |
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| 23:33.14 | stew | cire: its not possible |
| 23:33.17 | disposable | Azar: eeyore- : thanx |
| 23:33.24 | Azar | cire you could query google about linux partitions howto |
| 23:33.29 | rpmx | JohnFlux, http://pastebin.com/615279 |
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| 23:33.44 | _gass_ | hello there |
| 23:33.57 | eeyore- | dahkneth: honestly, i doubt you'll go very far by calling samsung :-) |
| 23:34.00 | _gass_ | what have i to install to compile a gtk + glade program |
| 23:34.01 | cire | stew: are you sure about that? If yes, I stop searching ;) |
| 23:34.06 | _gass_ | what packages, i mean |
| 23:34.07 | cire | Azar: I'll do so. |
| 23:34.37 | Azar | cire, /etc seems to be a vital part of the system, as stew said, unlikely possible to split that directory on another partition |
| 23:34.46 | JohnFlux | rpmx: ... |
| 23:34.51 | JohnFlux | rpmx: which data do you want |
| 23:34.58 | Aronofsky | hi guys , i dont really understand security entry in sources.list for testing ? |
| 23:35.09 | stew | cire: the initsscripts all run out of /etc the initscripts are the thing that mount the filesystem, you can't mount the filesystem containing /etc/ from the initscripts in /etc/ |
| 23:35.11 | JohnFlux | rpmx: the data between string1 and string2 ? |
| 23:35.17 | Azar | cire, however I guess you could copy the entire /etc in a backup if that is your intent |
| 23:35.18 | rpmx | yes |
| 23:35.30 | eeyore- | i think / and /etc has to go together |
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| 23:36.04 | rpmx | JohnFlux, the data between String and string2 |
| 23:36.04 | eeyore- | because the kernel mounts /, but it can't know about other partitions (that's in /etc/fstab), so if /etc is on separate partition, how the heck would it know that? chicken and egg |
| 23:36.11 | Azar | eeyore-: :) you know better than us newbies |
| 23:36.12 | cire | Azar: my intend is the following: I have to set root partition as read only (it's a flash card). But I also would like to change settings in /etc. |
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| 23:36.29 | Aronofsky | hi guys , i dont really understand security entry in sources.list for testing ? |
| 23:36.29 | pipeline | cire: Livecds usually work that way |
| 23:36.31 | rpmx | and eliminate bad data |
| 23:36.48 | eeyore- | it's probably possible to do such a thing, but you'd likely have to arrange it in the /linuxrc script or some such |
| 23:37.25 | eeyore- | cire: well if you have complete control over your boot, why not make /etc a ramdisk? |
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| 23:37.55 | cire | eeyore: this way, the changes I made won't be saved |
| 23:38.01 | eeyore- | cire: check out various docs for "LFS" (linux from scratch) |
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| 23:38.30 | eeyore- | cire: basically you arrange to unpack etc.tgz (or some such) to /etc ramdisk that you create & mount at boot time. |
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| 23:38.58 | Aronofsky | anyone can tell me brifly about it ? |
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| 23:39.10 | navaburo | Hey. I have a problem with a pci card. I know it is (most likely) a kernel issue, however the problem seems to be with the kernel image supplied with sarge. |
| 23:39.14 | Ronin | Aronofsky: nope, not until you tell us what has you cnofused |
| 23:39.18 | Ronin | confused even |
| 23:39.26 | unforgettableid | hi all, how do i create an account so that someone can log in only once with it then the pw gets changed? |
| 23:39.40 | Aronofsky | Ronin, i just dont really know what its used for ? |
| 23:39.50 | Ronin | for security updates |
| 23:39.59 | unforgettableid | navaburo: tell us the problem |
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| 23:40.06 | stew | cire: mount / as readonly, when you need to change /etc, mount -oremount,rw / ; make your changes ; mount -oremount,ro |
| 23:40.08 | mo1991 | i am using the i82365 module in my pcmcia-cs modules package that I have compiled for a custom 2.4.20 kernel - when the card services loads, i get a irq conflict, has irq 5, wants irq 11 and crashes. Can anyone help me to resolve this irq conflict? |
| 23:40.17 | Aronofsky | Ronin, what is the difference between security updates and updates ? |
| 23:40.32 | navaburo | My pci card doesnt show up in lspci, and i see that a few different modules dont load on boot |
| 23:40.35 | eeyore- | cire: want example? |
| 23:40.44 | cire | okay, I'll take some beer and discuss this with my flatmate. (btw: -o remount won't work, because it's busy, I think... (tried that before)) |
| 23:40.52 | navaburo | the modules that dont load include pciehp |
| 23:41.04 | unforgettableid | navaburo: pciehp doesnt work for me either |
| 23:41.05 | eeyore- | cire: here, mke2fs -m0 /dev/ram0; mount /dev/ram0 /etc; cd /etc; tar xvzf /root/etc.tgz |
| 23:41.06 | stew | cire: what files are busy? |
| 23:41.13 | unforgettableid | pciehp is for PCI Express only tho. |
| 23:41.16 | [machine] | unforgettable: passwd -e <username> |
| 23:41.30 | cire | stew: didn't look for that... |
| 23:41.40 | stew | cire: i have no problems remounting my root as ro and rw |
| 23:41.52 | cire | okay, this would be a great option... |
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| 23:42.24 | unforgettableid | [machine]: ok thanks. |
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| 23:42.52 | blake | Hello, everyone! I've having a bit of trouble and was hoping someone could help me. I'm on a nForce2 under Debian testing and am trying to get my sound to work. |
| 23:42.53 | Aronofsky | Ronin, its just that that i dont get , difference between security update and regular update |
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| 23:43.01 | navaburo | unforgettableid: do you know how to review messages that were displayed at boot? |
| 23:43.03 | juerd__ | Is there an amd64 alternative for 'mbr' (install-mbr)? |
| 23:43.03 | cire | thanks for your detailed help... I think I'll get this solved... |
| 23:43.06 | unforgettableid | navaburo: dmesg |
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| 23:43.20 | unforgettableid | navaburo: or: dmesg | less for page-at-a-time |
| 23:43.24 | juerd__ | Lilo and grub aren't very useful for what I want, because they both depend on files on partiitons |
| 23:43.31 | eeyore- | cire: good luck making tiny linux distros :-) |
| 23:43.32 | blake | I've installed alsa-base, alsa-utils, and alsa-mixer with aptitude. |
| 23:43.33 | phaedral | why does visudo use some pico looking editor? oi. |
| 23:43.51 | unforgettableid | phaedral: install vim |
| 23:43.59 | phaedral | unforgettableid: i have |
| 23:44.04 | [machine] | phaedral: set EDITOR environment variable |
| 23:44.10 | stew | phaedral: becuase either your EDITOR variable is set to nano or your /usr/bin/editor alternative is pointing to nano |
| 23:44.12 | phaedral | [machine]: ah |
| 23:44.20 | stew | phaedral: update-alternatives --config editor |
| 23:44.25 | phaedral | stew: thanks; will go peek, fix |
| 23:44.32 | eeyore- | visudo reminds me of risuto, don't know why. it's always been that way. |
| 23:44.45 | unforgettableid | sudo sounds like pseudo |
| 23:44.50 | phaedral | eeyore-: lol, and i'm hungry now |
| 23:45.10 | navaburo | any tips on getting pci cards to show up in lspci? (This card shows up in my P4 debian box but not in the PII (also debian, same kernel 2.6.8-2-686) |
| 23:45.39 | pipeline | navaburo: Re-arrange your cards (physically) |
| 23:45.41 | Aronofsky | can anyone else tell me the difference between security update and regular update ? |
| 23:45.47 | pipeline | navaburo: If it doesn't show up in lspci, it doesn't exist. |
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| 23:45.53 | eeyore- | pipeline: wiggle the card |
| 23:45.55 | pipeline | Aronofsky: Security updates don't change package versions. |
| 23:46.00 | eeyore- | pipeline: clean out the card edge. |
| 23:46.01 | navaburo | pipeline: i tried both... |
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| 23:46.15 | eeyore- | navaburo: uh, yeah, for you |
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| 23:46.35 | Aronofsky | pipeline, what does it mean ? |
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| 23:46.50 | blake | Nobody's done the nForce2 sound thing before? :-\ |
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| 23:46.59 | eeyore- | navaburo: well, maybe your PII doesn't like it then. some sort of conflicts with onboard peripherals? maybe the card wants bus-master slot? |
| 23:47.03 | pipeline | navaburo: Try again. |
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| 23:47.17 | pipeline | bus-mastering is a common problem. |
| 23:47.28 | pipeline | Some cards will only work in a bus-mastering slot. Some will only work when they're NOT in a bus-mastering slot. |
| 23:47.29 | navaburo | eeyore-: bus mastering? |
| 23:47.31 | eeyore- | blake: i wish, if i *had* an nforce2 board with soundstorm. you're talking about soundstorm, right? |
| 23:47.55 | blake | Yes, I believe so. The onboard nForce2 sound. |
| 23:48.00 | Aronofsky | pipeline, what packages does it concern ? |
| 23:48.21 | blake | alsamixer reports it as a RealTek ALC650F, eeyore. |
| 23:48.21 | eeyore- | blake: i've heard it kicks butt, that's about it. that and the realtime surround encoder ... |
| 23:48.52 | blake | Heh, it's serviceable in Windows. Can't tell you how it is in linux, because it produces no sound at the moment :P |
| 23:49.08 | stew | its hard to imagine that realtek might have made something that kicks butt, but who knows |
| 23:49.12 | eeyore- | blake: that doesn't sound like soundstorm. |
| 23:49.40 | eeyore- | blake: anyway, basically, load alsa driver, run alsamixer :-) |
| 23:49.46 | redrain | Hi, i want to change my usb disk label, but e2label /dev/sda1 usbdisk gives this error: e2label: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sda1 |
| 23:50.50 | Aronofsky | maybe someone have a link where i can learn about security updates .? |
| 23:51.16 | chealer | Aronofsky: security.debian.org ? |
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| 23:52.10 | eeyore- | redrain: is it actually an ext2 filesystem? |
| 23:52.21 | redrain | eeyore-: vfat |
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| 23:52.29 | Juerd | Is there something like install-mbr for amd64? |
| 23:52.32 | eeyore- | redrain: then how do you expect E2LABEL to change it? |
| 23:52.42 | eeyore- | redrain: -> E2 <- label |
| 23:53.07 | redrain | eeyore-: Ok, thank you, so how can i change a vfat formatted disk's label? |
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| 23:53.39 | gezick | how should i go about acquiring fastforward-src |
| 23:54.05 | gezick | the package available on cr.yp.to uses deprecated (and now removed) features of glibc |
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| 23:54.24 | eeyore- | redrain: dunno, with dos fdisk? |
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| 23:55.22 | disposable | when i do "ssh -X -l user machine" and run xmms, i get "**CRITICAL"": Unable to open display what do i need to do to overcome this? i will study the manuals myself, just point me in the right direction. xauth? sshd_config X11Forwarding? |
| 23:55.46 | dahkneth | eeyore-: ok found out it's a sdram component, not a sdram module, you know the difference? |
| 23:56.01 | dahkneth | eeyore-: http://www.samsung.com/Products/Semiconductor/Sync_AsyncDRAM/SDRSDRAM/Component/512Mbit/K4S510832B/K4S510832B.htm |
| 23:56.04 | eeyore- | disposable: ssh server might not allow X forwarding |
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| 23:56.11 | Aronofsky | tell me if I get it right , security update are for modifying package for critical security problem without upgrading it ? |
| 23:56.19 | eeyore- | dahkneth: well, the "component" is the chip itself. the "module" is the stick |
| 23:56.35 | nkuttler | disposable: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 23:57.25 | eeyore- | disposable: and in addition to allowing X forwarding in sshd_config, you actually have to have the tool "xauth" (because sshd will use it) on the ssh server |
| 23:57.43 | eeyore- | disposable: you don't have to run xauth, you just have to have it |
| 23:57.50 | dahkneth | eeyore-: ok I wonder how I found out what kind of "module" it is then |
| 23:58.00 | Aronofsky | ma i right . |
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| 23:58.02 | Aronofsky | ? |
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| 23:58.20 | eeyore- | dahkneth: return the stick to whomever you bought it from. say, 'it doesn't work with my laptop, can i replace with something similar?' |
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| 23:58.34 | disposable | eeyore-: nkuttler: thank you guys. i suspected it was the X11forwarding, just wasn't sure. |
| 23:58.35 | chealer | Aronofsky: you're talking about stable security updates? |
| 23:58.53 | Aronofsky | chealer, its different for testing ? |
| 23:59.04 | stew | Aronofsky: doens't modify the package, it gives you a new package but the new package won't be a newer version of the software, it will just be the original version recompiled with the security patches |
| 23:59.26 | dahkneth | eeyore-: it ain't that easy as I bought it by auction |
| 23:59.33 | chealer | Aronofsky: more or less. the part you seem to be asking about is specific to stable |
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| 23:59.46 | eeyore- | dahkneth: turn it into a keychain ... |
| 23:59.52 | Aronofsky | stew, ok , so its important to use it , even in testing |
