| 00:00.07 | paonia | my debian unstable box when I tried to boot it today dumped me into busy box instead of coming up. any ideas |
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| 00:00.26 | dahkneth | eeyore-: yea well I could, but 2x512mb sdram so-dimm is not cheap =) |
| 00:00.46 | tuv | how can i disable the bios beeps on boot and gdm startup? |
| 00:01.25 | Aronofsky | stew, chealer , is thats sources.list correct for a testing config : eb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main |
| 00:01.26 | stew | Aronofsky: especially important for network facing machines |
| 00:01.35 | stew | Aronofsky: no /msg dpkg testing security |
| 00:01.40 | eeyore- | tuv: unplug speaker cable. recompile kernel without support for "pc speaker" |
| 00:02.17 | eeyore- | tuv: bios likes to beep. i suggest desoldering the piezo tweeter thing |
| 00:02.28 | tuv | eeyore-, can't i control them just on boot? |
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| 00:02.51 | tuv | eeyore-, it's a laptop.. opening it up would void the warranty |
| 00:03.12 | eeyore- | tuv: if it's a laptop, you ought to be able to hit the magic Fn+F key to mute the speaker |
| 00:03.27 | eeyore- | tuv: it's all run through the sound chip anyway, right? |
| 00:03.42 | tuv | eeyore-, how could i tell? |
| 00:03.46 | strider | tuv: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/110 |
| 00:03.48 | Aronofsky | stew, dont really get the difference between the 2 mirrors ? |
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| 00:03.56 | eeyore- | tuv: look on the keyboard? |
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| 00:04.20 | stew | Aronofsky: one is where testing security updates are placed. one is not |
| 00:04.21 | phaedral | when I try, as root, ln /usr/bin/vim /etc/alternatives/editor I get Invalid cross-device link. whaddup? |
| 00:04.25 | TTimo | anyone know what controls the insane udev spamming during kernel boot ? |
| 00:04.32 | TTimo | must have some verbose option turned on somewhere |
| 00:04.42 | tuv | eeyore-, i don't see any speaker thing on the keyboard, but i meant: how could i tell if it's through the sound chip or a standalone speaker |
| 00:04.48 | eeyore- | TTimo: why not boot kernel with "quiet" option? :-) |
| 00:04.55 | stew | k31th: don't do that |
| 00:05.01 | phaedral | and update-alternatives doesn't exist on my etch machine nor in my apt-cache search |
| 00:05.07 | strider | phaedral: use update-alternatives instead |
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| 00:05.20 | stew | phaedral: run it as root |
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| 00:05.28 | Aronofsky | stew, http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main is not , tahts it ? |
| 00:05.36 | phaedral | stew: i am root; apt-cache points me to galternatives |
| 00:05.36 | eeyore- | tuv: all laptops i've seen run their speaker bleeps and bloops through the sound chip. it saves one part, and many traces on the motherboard |
| 00:05.41 | phaedral | which looks like a hassle |
| 00:05.46 | stew | Aronofsky: that one doesn't get security updates |
| 00:06.00 | k31th | sorry house mate changed my nick |
| 00:06.00 | Aronofsky | stew, so what does it get ? |
| 00:06.04 | stew | Aronofsky: nothing |
| 00:06.11 | stew | !find sbin/update-alternatives |
| 00:06.22 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'sbin/update-alternatives' (1): (/usr/sbin/update-alternatives) in admin/dpkg. |
| 00:06.23 | dumezil | how can i get fsck to do a surface scan of a disk? |
| 00:06.34 | stew | phaedral: ^^^ its in the dpkg package, so you have |
| 00:06.35 | stew | it |
| 00:06.42 | Aronofsky | Stew, ok lol |
| 00:06.45 | Aronofsky | stew, thx |
| 00:06.45 | bsims | Probably a stupid question but here we go. I am running a self-rolled deb. I have at some point in the past cleaned /var/cache/apt. Is there someway of re-creating that deb from the existing installed version? |
| 00:06.54 | tuv | dumezil, if your partition is ext2/ext3, man e2fsck |
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| 00:07.09 | phaedral | stew: will look some more... |
| 00:07.37 | phaedral | hmm, right there in /usr/sbin as you show |
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| 00:08.26 | stew | phaedral: that sets the default editor system-wide. if you don't want to do this (if you have other users that wouldn't like vim as much as you), change your EDITOR environment variable in your .profile instead |
| 00:08.31 | phaedral | wierd; must've been a typo; should always use tab-completion... |
| 00:08.37 | dumezil | tuv what would be the surface scan? the bad block scan or what? and should i do the bad block scan twice? |
| 00:08.56 | phaedral | stew: thanks bunches |
| 00:09.00 | keir | are the dapper flight cd's compiled without optimizations or something? i thought the new gnome was supposed to be faster, not sloooower |
| 00:09.36 | bsims | yeah most likely, also look into man smartctl |
| 00:10.09 | tuv | dumezil, yes.. badblocks |
| 00:10.17 | tuv | dumezil, the -c option |
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| 00:11.07 | bsims | dumezil: then after that if you are properly paranoid run smartctl on it and see what the drive's firmware thinks about the drive |
| 00:11.16 | cire | okay, remounting -o rw works. Now I'd like my ramdisks be mounted in fstab. But (I think) when fstab tries to mount them, there's no filesystem on it. Is it possible to execute a command before mounting them? -o cmd=mk2efs /dev/ram0 or so... |
| 00:11.37 | eeyore- | dumezil: if you already have bad blocks that's detectable via surface scans, it's time to replace the disk |
| 00:11.42 | tuv | dumezil, the double -c will take longer.. i don't know if it tells anything more than the single -c |
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| 00:14.41 | bsims | hrm rather quiet in here today |
| 00:14.56 | _sett | could anyone help me, I've setuped ip tables, and for example ping only works one way like icmp echo request, and no replies |
| 00:15.01 | _sett | the same for any other packets |
| 00:15.15 | _sett | I've setuped nat |
| 00:15.31 | _sett | $IPTABLES -A FORWARD -i $INTIF1 -o $EXTIF -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT |
| 00:15.34 | _sett | using such rule |
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| 00:16.19 | moshii | are there any version control systems that don't require a server? I want one I can lump onto some basic hosting.. |
| 00:16.51 | tuv | strider, that's a nice link about disabling beeps, but they seem interactive.. is there a permanent solution that will affect boot time? |
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| 00:17.34 | Kinks | how can I mount an ntfs partition and make it readable by someone other than root? |
| 00:17.51 | pipeline | Kinks: man mount -- the "uid" and "umask" options |
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| 00:18.03 | pipeline | Kinks: using "less" as your pager, you can search for text with the "/" key. |
| 00:18.22 | eeyore- | tuv: like i said, disable kernel support for pc speaker (that'll make it not do port i/o to beep 'speaker') |
| 00:18.25 | Kinks | I tried umask=444 |
| 00:18.38 | Kinks | it let me go into the directory but ls was denied permission |
| 00:18.44 | strider | tuv: blacklist pcspkr? |
| 00:18.46 | eeyore- | tuv: but, you also said "bios boot", well, kernel doesn't care about bios beeps at boot, so that's why i told you to look for Fn + key |
| 00:18.56 | pipeline | Kinks: read permissions on a directory won't let you list its contents, you need execute. |
| 00:19.01 | strider | tuv: bios beeps? |
| 00:19.12 | tuv | strider, yup.. on boot |
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| 00:19.19 | eeyore- | strider: i guess his bios likes to beep at boot :-) |
| 00:19.20 | Kinks | okay, thanks |
| 00:19.29 | eeyore- | strider: i have Sony that likes to play sound at boot |
| 00:19.44 | bsims | hrm disconnect the computer speaker? |
| 00:19.44 | LtL | Kinks try umask=0222 |
| 00:19.48 | moshii | eeyore-: beeps are used for POST codes ... |
| 00:19.50 | tuv | eeyore-, i don't think my beeps are as early as the sony's |
| 00:19.58 | eeyore- | (and animation, sony logo with light glinting off it or something, classy) |
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| 00:20.28 | tuv | strider, this looks like a solution.. thanks strider, eeyore- |
| 00:20.32 | eeyore- | moshii: yeah, but sometimes even for normal boot you'll get *one* beep :-) |
| 00:20.46 | strider | tuv: wtf, and on a laptop? |
| 00:20.46 | blakkino | hi |
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| 00:21.01 | blakkino | there is an official libdvdcss? |
| 00:21.05 | moshii | eeyore-: yeah, one beep is a good sign ;) |
| 00:21.08 | SimonRaven | no |
| 00:21.12 | blakkino | or it is _totally_ unofficial |
| 00:21.12 | tuv | strider, what's wrong? |
| 00:21.15 | blakkino | :( |
| 00:21.23 | SimonRaven | totally |
| 00:21.34 | blakkino | this seem strange to me.. someone should maintain that.. |
| 00:21.47 | moshii | blakkino: there is a script with libdvdread I think that'll grab libdvdcss for you |
| 00:21.50 | blakkino | if it is agains USA regulations.. well.. remove from USA mirrors.. |
| 00:22.04 | blakkino | ok |
| 00:22.05 | blakkino | :) |
| 00:22.10 | blakkino | moshii, i'll try that |
| 00:22.20 | blakkino | anyway USA != world :> |
| 00:22.31 | eeyore- | blakkino: well, what do you mean? |
| 00:22.35 | SimonRaven | blakkino: agreed, but we'll have to put up with that for now |
| 00:22.38 | tuv | is it enough to blacklist in hotplug's conf or do i have to do so for discover too? |
| 00:22.41 | moshii | blakkino: /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh |
| 00:22.58 | SimonRaven | usa == illegal occupying state</politics> |
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| 00:23.37 | mbishop | er |
| 00:23.41 | blakkino | SimonRaven, i'm not referring to that.. just ideological occupation :) |
| 00:23.48 | mbishop | decss was found to be legal in court |
| 00:23.58 | moshii | blakkino: more like exploit the natives |
| 00:24.09 | GutterPunk | Hi I have an old box I'm using as a server, and it uses a matrox g400. I was wondering. Is it possible to enable matroxfb at boottime? the problem is, according to the config, it is built as a module. |
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| 00:24.17 | GutterPunk | Does it need to be in the kernel to work? |
| 00:24.22 | moshii | eeyore-: does the modular xorg in experimental work yet? |
| 00:24.31 | strider | tuv: the beeps are after POST right? |
| 00:24.31 | eeyore- | moshii: i don't know, i use gentoo :-) |
| 00:24.39 | SimonRaven | eeyore-: been running it for about a week |
| 00:24.39 | moshii | eeyore-: poor you |
| 00:24.44 | tuv | strider, yes.. during kernel boot |
| 00:24.52 | eeyore- | SimonRaven: you run it with xgl? |
| 00:24.52 | SimonRaven | the one in experimental |
| 00:25.06 | eeyore- | SimonRaven: that's what i want to play with, xgl |
| 00:25.16 | blakkino | moshii, tnx.. :) this is much better than nothing.. :) (still having an official package, maybe not distribuited where it is not legal, would be more reasonable) |
| 00:25.18 | SimonRaven | no. have no idea how to enable it. haven't had much free time to play |
| 00:25.20 | seb- | how verify your system isn't messed up? ...like after you botched an install and got lots of error messages?!? |
| 00:25.32 | strider | eeyore-: I have Xgl running on 6.9 :) |
| 00:25.46 | SimonRaven | either busy doing computer work here, or drumming, opr other stuff |
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| 00:26.08 | SimonRaven | eeyore-: pow-wow season :) |
| 00:26.13 | blakkino | :) |
| 00:26.16 | blakkino | it even build a .deb |
| 00:26.17 | blakkino | :) |
| 00:27.05 | SimonRaven | looks like gnome 2.14 is in sid |
| 00:27.11 | eeyore- | strider: how is it? |
| 00:27.17 | moshii | blakkino: I don't think decss moves that much, don't know if anything linux-wise support ARcoSS yet |
| 00:27.23 | eeyore- | strider: does it draw text as textures or what? |
| 00:27.46 | blakkino | ARcoSS? |
| 00:28.11 | moshii | blakkino: another form of protection |
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| 00:28.28 | SimonRaven | "protection" |
| 00:28.33 | blakkino | mhmh.. obfuscation :) |
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| 00:28.39 | blakkino | protection seem somethings serious |
| 00:28.53 | moshii | blakkino: it protects you from shitty movies |
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| 00:28.58 | blakkino | eheh |
| 00:29.23 | blakkino | in fact i rarely see movies but.. mhmh.. if i ever need i'l have llibdvdcss installed |
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| 00:29.24 | blakkino | :) |
| 00:29.27 | strider | eeyore-: well, Compiz as a WM kindof sucks. But otherwise it's real fun. Just have issues with Xv |
| 00:29.31 | SimonRaven | protecting the members of MPAA's profits from their artists |
| 00:29.43 | strider | SimonRaven: Not yet |
| 00:29.58 | SimonRaven | not yet what? |
| 00:29.58 | strider | SimonRaven: (Gnome 2.14) |
| 00:30.15 | carsonc | Is there any reason why an xterm would ignore the resources set in .Xdefaults? I'm just setting XTerm*background as black instead of the default white. |
| 00:30.19 | SimonRaven | Preparing to replace libgnomevfs2-common 2.13.92-1 (using .../libgnomevfs2-common_2.14.0-1_all.deb) ... |
| 00:30.26 | eeyore- | strider: can't they fix metacity to do this sort of thing? |
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| 00:30.42 | moshii | SimonRaven: I always buy vinyl for music, not much you can do about movies |
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| 00:30.44 | eeyore- | strider: i'm more worried about being able to read text. if i can't read text clearly, it's a no-go |
| 00:30.53 | SimonRaven | !info libgnomevfs-common sid |
| 00:30.59 | SimonRaven | !info libgnomevfs2-common sid |
| 00:31.03 | dpkg | libgnomevfs2-common: (GNOME virtual file-system (common files)), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.12.2-7 (sid), Packaged size: 966 kB, Installed size: 4269 kB |
| 00:31.05 | stew | carsonc: have you run xrdb -merge? |
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| 00:31.22 | SimonRaven | beh, hasn't updated yet |
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| 00:31.29 | dn4 | !dpkg java |
| 00:31.29 | dpkg | [java] Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive and forbids you from working on Java implementations or SDKs. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
| 00:31.37 | strider | SimonRaven: http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-2.14-status.html |
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| 00:32.02 | SimonRaven | moshii: the black vinyl with scratches in it, or the silver-backed one with no scratches? ;) |
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| 00:32.17 | carsonc | stew: I quit X and then started it back up (for unrelated reasons), so I shouldn't need to run xrdb. Or am I wrong? |
| 00:32.20 | moshii | SimonRaven: the type that costs 99p for a single opposed to 4 quid |
| 00:32.22 | eeyore- | SimonRaven: i have a few silver ones with scratches |
| 00:32.32 | SimonRaven | i don't care, that's what it say in my aptitude output |
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| 00:32.46 | eeyore- | SimonRaven: desert sand works magic on everything. the stuff that's blowing is like 2000-grit sandpaper fine |
| 00:32.48 | moshii | SimonRaven: I do have some heavey ones though, no silver ones :( |
| 00:32.58 | SimonRaven | moshii: the black vinyl i'm assuming |
| 00:33.00 | beered | I can print with lp <file.doc/pdf/xml etc.>, but lpr doesn't work. I can view the lpr queue, but nothing prints out. |
| 00:33.07 | SimonRaven | eeyore-: yeh |
| 00:33.21 | beered | How can I fix lpr? |
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| 00:33.24 | SimonRaven | Setting up libgnomevfs2-0 (2.14.0-1) ... |
| 00:33.28 | moshii | SimonRaven: um, bands in the UK like coloured vinyl, etched ones are a fad at the moment too |
| 00:33.32 | stew | carsonc: yes, i think you would |
| 00:33.42 | SimonRaven | moshii: *nods* |
| 00:33.56 | strider | eeyore-: no problem with text. Only when you wobble it, it may be a bit blurry. But that's expected |
| 00:34.12 | SimonRaven | etched? neat. get to do some crazy art on that i bet :) |
| 00:34.22 | _NINJAA_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:34.35 | SimonRaven | strider: oh, you have to run a special wm for this? |
| 00:34.37 | _NINJAA_ | ????????????????????? |
| 00:34.44 | nevyn | _NINJAA_: ? |
| 00:34.47 | strider | eeyore-: Metacity will eventually get compositing features built in. It's disabled in 2.14 (compile time) |
| 00:34.51 | _NINJAA_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:34.55 | SimonRaven | strider: do you happen to have an URI of some tutorial or something? |
| 00:34.55 | nevyn | _NINJAA_: you're trying to configure telnet access? |
| 00:34.56 | moshii | SimonRaven: The babyshambles album has a full 12 inch etching :), I have a 7 inch with the song on one side and the lyrics etched on the other :) |
| 00:34.59 | nevyn | _NINJAA_: don't do that. |
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| 00:35.08 | SimonRaven | _NINJAA_: wth are you using telnet for? |
| 00:35.19 | SimonRaven | moshii: oh nice |
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| 00:35.36 | moshii | you get so much more for 99p :) |
| 00:35.44 | Kathmandude_ | can anyone please help me with mounting my USB hard disk? |
| 00:35.47 | SimonRaven | yeh :). |
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| 00:36.17 | nevyn | Kathmandude_: yep. it'd help if we knew what version of debian you were running and what kernel? |
| 00:36.21 | GutterPunk | I just installed a new system, didn't install any services except for the DNS and FILE server in tasksel. After that i apt-gettet "xfce4". Then I installed xserver-xorg because apparently this didn't get pulled in. Startx is still missing... What package do I need? |
| 00:36.25 | eeyore- | SimonRaven: yeah, from what i gather, "compiz" is what's doing the Xgl wobbly window, rotating desktop magic at the moment |
| 00:36.27 | moshii | Seems HMV will no longer stock "pop and rock" singles on vinyl, so unless I get more into hiphop I'm out of luck :( |
| 00:36.31 | strider | SimonRaven: I tried to get it working on another system with experimental Xorg 7. Built a deb of Xgl, but couldn't get Compiz built. The dev packages were messed up |
| 00:36.41 | nevyn | GutterPunk: try x-window-system-core |
| 00:36.50 | Kathmandude_ | 2.6.12-1.386 kernel, and it is a debian etch |
| 00:37.01 | nevyn | GutterPunk: you need fonts and a whole bunch of stuff |
| 00:37.01 | eeyore- | SimonRaven: or, at least, "start off the process" by loading the appropriate plugins like "wobbly" and stuff |
| 00:37.02 | SimonRaven | moshii: i'm very mouthy, and justice-minded. i'm old-fashioned about some things however |
| 00:37.05 | nevyn | Kathmandude_: look at dmesg after plugging the device in. |
| 00:37.08 | SimonRaven | strider: i see |
| 00:37.09 | strider | SimonRaven: So, aliened the Suse Compiz and Xgl packages and it works ;) |
| 00:37.21 | SimonRaven | cool |
| 00:37.36 | SimonRaven | strider: do you happen to have that publically available for download? |
| 00:37.42 | strider | SimonRaven: did they fix the font paths yet? |
| 00:37.42 | Kathmandude_ | my usb hard disk has 4 partitions, but instead of mounting them as sda1, sda2 sda3 and sda4, it mounts only the first partition as flash1 |
| 00:37.49 | SimonRaven | gravity: heh. poor gravity |
| 00:37.52 | GutterPunk | nevyn, thanks I'll try that |
| 00:37.58 | moshii | SimonRaven: hhmm I almost beat a checkout guy to death for banging records around, I hadn't slept for 48 hours though ;) |
| 00:38.14 | Kathmandude_ | /dev/sda, it says, dows not exist |
| 00:38.16 | SimonRaven | strider: i just edited that FontPaths in xorg.conf. works fine that way |
| 00:38.27 | SimonRaven | s,that,the, |
| 00:38.48 | nevyn | Kathmandude_: hrm you might have to mount those manually |
| 00:38.55 | SimonRaven | Kathmandude_: so it doesn't exist. i bet you have udev installed. did you load the relevant drivers? |
| 00:39.07 | gravity | strider: Patches happily accepted |
| 00:39.12 | nevyn | moshii: reading bbc history? |
| 00:39.34 | dn4 | when I get the java.bin file and do what dpkg says for java install I Get No matching plugin was found. |
| 00:39.34 | dn4 | Removing temporary directory: done |
| 00:39.38 | moshii | nevyn: nah, I saw it when I was looking so someone to produce some dubplates |
| 00:39.51 | SimonRaven | gravity: i'll send you part of my edited xorg.conf |
| 00:39.52 | Kathmandude_ | drivers?? cat /proc/partitions shows the partitions as sda 1 to 4. that means it doesn't need partitions, isn't it? |
| 00:39.56 | gravity | SimonRaven: That doesn't help |
| 00:39.59 | gravity | SimonRaven: I know the paths |
| 00:40.03 | gravity | I don't have a fix though |
| 00:40.12 | SimonRaven | gravity: ok. so what would you like? |
| 00:40.19 | gravity | SimonRaven: A patch to make it work automagically somehow |
| 00:40.25 | SimonRaven | funny, it works here. what's the problem? |
| 00:40.26 | gravity | I need to look in to that tonight, among other things |
| 00:40.42 | gravity | SimonRaven: It broke for some people, though I don't know why |
| 00:40.47 | SimonRaven | auto-detect the fontpaths? |
| 00:40.50 | SimonRaven | oh |
| 00:40.56 | gravity | I thought we had the necessary symlinks in place to prevent people needing to change their config files |
| 00:41.07 | gravity | Apparently not though |
| 00:41.15 | moshii | Does anyone here use UIM or SCIM? |
| 00:41.18 | SimonRaven | maybe it derefs the symlinks? |
| 00:41.18 | gravity | I need to look in to it, but it's been a lower priority than the security vulnerability |
| 00:41.23 | gravity | Dunno |
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| 00:41.27 | SimonRaven | sure, sure |
| 00:41.42 | strider | gravity: heh, i just symlinked it to the right place ;) |
| 00:41.49 | SimonRaven | now that the secured one is in :) |
| 00:42.10 | gravity | I have half a dozen important bugs that I need to fix before 7.0 can go in to unstable |
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| 00:42.21 | gravity | I can't even think about working on Xgl until then |
| 00:42.25 | gravity | Or packaging up Aiglx |
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| 00:42.32 | pm_ | where is my COM1 in linux? |
| 00:42.42 | liable | ttyS0 |
| 00:42.43 | moshii | pm_: /dev/ttyS0 |
| 00:43.15 | strider | gravity: take your time. Xgl et al can wait |
| 00:43.45 | gravity | strider: The thing is, it really can't |
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| 00:44.20 | gravity | Everyone is after it |
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| 00:44.26 | mike-_- | rescue using the debian cd is linux26 root=/dev/hdax ? |
| 00:44.31 | SimonRaven | gravity: take a long break once you've finished this. some good very well-deserved rest |
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| 00:44.38 | gravity | SimonRaven: No time |
| 00:44.45 | SimonRaven | :/ |
| 00:44.46 | gravity | I have to polish things up for etch |
| 00:44.46 | pm_ | i have a pabx connected to my ttyS0, how can i see which data the pabx is sending to my ttyS0? |
| 00:44.47 | strider | Sid is for some interesting times now, Gnome 2.14 and Xorg 7 ;) |
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| 00:44.52 | gravity | The modular packages aren't ready |
| 00:45.01 | moshii | pm_: cat /dev/ttyS0 |
| 00:45.08 | Stevie | Xorg 7? |
| 00:45.27 | Stevie | anything fancy in xorg 7? |
| 00:45.30 | SimonRaven | aah, i see |
| 00:45.39 | Wilik | I have a question as to why a custom compiled version of pam_ldap refuses to work where as the libpam_ldap from apt works fine, am I doing something wrong? im using pam_ldap-180 |
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| 00:45.54 | Stevie | Wilik: What's the difference in behavior? |
| 00:46.01 | gravity | Stevie: It's modularized |
| 00:46.03 | Wilik | well the apt one works |
| 00:46.12 | Stevie | !doesn't work |
| 00:46.13 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 00:46.17 | Wilik | where the other gives this error: fatal: PAM: authentication thread exited uncleanly |
| 00:46.24 | Wilik | its weird, only happens with ssh |
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| 00:46.26 | moshii | Wilik: how did you create your version? |
| 00:46.27 | Wilik | su works fine |
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| 00:46.39 | pm_ | moshii there is a way to test it? i got no incomming. how can i know if is the pabx that dont send anything? |
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| 00:46.49 | gravity | Ah, there's the bug |
| 00:46.53 | Wilik | ./configure --disable-ssl --with-ldap-lib=openldap --with-ldap-dir=/path/to/my/openldap |
| 00:46.58 | mo1991 | what is a good firewall that will show traffic on the various ports in a live or logged setting? |
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| 00:47.16 | Stevie | Wilik: might I inquire as to why you chose to build it yourself? |
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| 00:47.23 | Spudchat | hi, i just installed a new harddrive and wanted the ext3 file system, is there a command to do this or is the way i did it correct...i did mkfs /dev/hdb |
| 00:47.25 | moshii | pm_: you really need something that shows the serial flags so you can see if the port on the pabx is alive, or a breakout box |
| 00:47.30 | Wilik | I wanted to... |
| 00:47.30 | eeyore- | kathman: why don't you just mount the other partitions manually? |
| 00:47.35 | eeyore- | nevermind |
| 00:47.36 | Stevie | Wilik: is that all? |
| 00:47.37 | Wilik | im just curious why it doesnt work |
| 00:47.38 | Spudchat | then tune2fs -j /dev/hdb |
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| 00:47.55 | moshii | Spudchat: mkfs.ext3 maybe .. |
| 00:48.00 | Wilik | I noticed the version from apt is pam_ldap-180-1 |
| 00:48.01 | pm_ | moshii any idea of that something? |
| 00:48.07 | Wilik | did it get patched to work on debian or something? |
| 00:48.10 | Stevie | gravity: What's so great about a modularized xorg? |
| 00:48.15 | Spudchat | hehe thanks |
| 00:48.16 | Stevie | Wilik: It's possible |
| 00:48.26 | Wilik | thats pretty crappy |
| 00:48.28 | Stevie | Wilik: If you really want to compile it yourself, do 'apt-get source pam_ldap' |
| 00:48.33 | Wilik | ok |
| 00:48.36 | moshii | pm_: I use an old psion palm top for this sort of thing ... maybe minicom has options to do it? |
| 00:48.39 | SimonRaven | for one thing build time config is different |
| 00:48.43 | mo1991 | or what are some good firewall programs that give good live feedback |
| 00:48.43 | Stevie | no, what would be pretty crappy is if pam_ldap didn't work at all :) |
| 00:48.49 | SimonRaven | see debian/rules |
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| 00:49.13 | Wilik | Stevie, thats true |
| 00:49.18 | SimonRaven | mo1991: iptables -vnx -L |
| 00:49.24 | gravity | Stevie: A lot of things. It's significantly easier to hack on, leading to improvements for the end user and developer alike. It also means that it's easier for the maintainer to do small scale bug fixes more quickly. This means you don't have to download all the fonts just for a single bugfix for a video driver |
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| 00:49.32 | Stevie | Wilik: The nice thing about Debian is that it Just Works. esp if you're using sarge |
| 00:49.45 | Stevie | gravity: ooooh |
| 00:49.48 | thingfish | Stevie: amen. |
| 00:49.49 | Spudchat | ok thanks again |
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| 00:50.02 | Stevie | gravity: That's definitely a nice advantage. |
| 00:50.12 | moshii | Stevie: unless you have weird hardware, or use a language that isn't english |
| 00:50.32 | SimonRaven | afk. brb |
| 00:50.33 | Wilik | yep |
| 00:50.37 | Wilik | looks like it was patched |
| 00:50.42 | Stevie | moshii: Wait, why? |
| 00:50.45 | Stevie | oh |
| 00:50.51 | Stevie | you're talking about the debian thing |
| 00:50.59 | moshii | indeed |
| 00:51.14 | Stevie | Yeah, but at least Etch (which will be sable stoon enough) has excellent utf-8 support |
| 00:51.16 | Stevie | err |
| 00:51.18 | Stevie | stable soon |
| 00:51.21 | Wilik | interesting... |
| 00:51.30 | Wilik | alright thanks for the help Stevie |
| 00:51.35 | Stevie | Wilik: Not a problem :) |
| 00:51.57 | Wilik | im gonna try adding this patch to my source and compiling and see if it works |
| 00:52.00 | Stevie | Wilik: Incidentally -- On several occasions, I've used apt-get source to pull source packages from unstable/testing to backport them to testing/stable |
| 00:52.04 | moshii | Stevie: shame no one knows how to get the input methods working, they aren't installed out of the box :( |
| 00:52.36 | Stevie | moshii: It sounds to me like you are a person affected by this |
| 00:52.52 | Stevie | which is odd, because your English is excellent |
| 00:53.18 | moshii | Stevie: Well, I am English |
| 00:53.26 | chance2105 | Where is the ISC dhcpd's log file for logging dhcp requests served? |
| 00:53.27 | Stevie | ah |
| 00:53.46 | moshii | But my machines are tri-lingual and it's a pain in the rear |
| 00:53.49 | Stevie | you're just a regular concerned Netizen looking out for non-English speakers? |
| 00:53.55 | Stevie | I see :) |
| 00:54.05 | SimonRaven | chance2105: start in /var/log |
| 00:54.17 | Stevie | moshii: Well, join in the d-i effort |
| 00:54.52 | moshii | Stevie: I was going to try and become a dd, I'm doing a debian project for my degree and my last supervisor was a dd.. but he decided to leave gah |
| 00:55.16 | thingfish | you know, I'm sure I get more volume out of my audigy card in Debian than in windows. |
| 00:55.20 | gravity | moshii: Which dd? |
| 00:55.32 | SimonRaven | thingfish: wouldn't be surprised |
| 00:55.51 | moshii | gravity: Nothing big, some little apps I think |
| 00:55.55 | SimonRaven | thingfish: the ppc alsa drivers are better than the mock os 9 one |
| 00:56.12 | thingfish | SimonRaven: in windows, maxed out, it's loud but not too loud. In Debian (sarge), I can't really push it up past 75%. |
| 00:56.17 | Stevie | moshii: You don't have to be an official developer to offer suggestions and patches :) |
| 00:56.23 | SimonRaven | on the same chip, which is an onboard thingie |
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| 00:56.51 | moshii | Stevie: Debian would need some maybe reworking to get input working for non-latin languages out of the box |
| 00:56.54 | SimonRaven | thingfish: yeh :). i could run a disco from my apt. with my speakers if i were so inclined |
| 00:57.00 | moshii | Stevie: s/maybe/major |
| 00:57.01 | thingfish | hehe sweet |
| 00:57.07 | thingfish | thump thump |
| 00:57.19 | Stevie | It's my greatest achievement. Ever. |
| 00:57.36 | abrotman | wait til you have sex |
| 00:57.40 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:57.43 | gravity | hehe |
| 00:57.46 | SimonRaven | heheh |
| 00:57.52 | lsald | haha |
| 00:57.53 | thingfish | !prize abrotman |
| 00:58.00 | Stevie | !lart abrotman |
| 00:58.00 | SimonRaven | abrotman++ |
| 00:58.02 | dvs | No pony? |
| 00:58.13 | abrotman | pony is for azeem |
| 00:58.28 | Wilik | now thats odd, it looks like it was a problem with the /etc/ldap.conf file.. |
| 00:58.29 | moshii | anyone know if debian has a central l18n team that I could get in contact with? |
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| 00:58.41 | Wilik | no problems with the pam_ldap module itself |
| 00:58.45 | lsald | but anyway, congrats Stevie |
| 00:58.51 | gravity | moshii: I think so. Check lists.debian.org for the right mailing list |
| 00:59.08 | SimonRaven | brb, detaching |
| 00:59.12 | Stevie | lsald: Thanks :) It adds a feature that I'm reasonably certain nobody has ever used, ever. |
| 00:59.27 | abrotman | moshii: http://lists.debian.org/i18n.html |
| 00:59.29 | lkj1 | Why do I get this error when I try to apt-get stuff? t-get install libxxfm86vm-dev |
| 00:59.29 | lkj1 | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 00:59.30 | lkj1 | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 00:59.30 | lkj1 | E: Couldn't find package libxxfm86vm-dev |
| 00:59.30 | lkj1 | root@box:~/MPlayer-1.0pre7try2# apt-get install libxxf86vm-dev |
| 00:59.30 | lkj1 | Reading Package Lists... Done |
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| 00:59.45 | moshii | abrotman: just seen it ^^ |
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| 00:59.54 | lkj1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:59.54 | dvs | welcome back |
| 00:59.56 | lkj1 | E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). |
| 01:00.00 | liable | ffs |
| 01:00.01 | lkj1 | sorry |
| 01:00.15 | gravity | lkj1: /topic |
| 01:00.19 | lkj1 | didn't mean to paste stat |
| 01:00.21 | abrotman | do it again |
| 01:00.26 | beered | What can play .rm (real player) files? |
| 01:00.29 | dvs | abrotman: saddist! |
| 01:00.31 | Stevie | Well, lkj1, I would guess that you get the error because it couldn't find the package in question |
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| 01:00.37 | thingfish | one d |
| 01:00.42 | Celeste | hi |
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| 01:00.44 | Celeste | where is my cdrom-device please? |
| 01:00.47 | moshii | hmm is it also possible to replace a maintainers packages in debians if they're so far behind they don't work anymore? :D |
| 01:00.48 | abrotman | beered: /msg dpkg w32codecs |
| 01:00.50 | Azar | :) |
| 01:00.51 | lsald | beered, i know i know, real player! |
| 01:00.52 | liable | beered: realplayer? |
| 01:00.53 | dvs | Celelibi: in your computer |
| 01:00.55 | Stevie | Celeste: That would depend on quite a few things. |
| 01:01.01 | strider | beered: w32codecs |
| 01:01.02 | apikoros | anyone have an apt-getable cd ripping program to recommend? |
| 01:01.02 | thingfish | Celeste: I have it and I'm not giving it back. |
| 01:01.04 | abrotman | beered: or get RP for linux |
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| 01:01.19 | moshii | apikoros: crip |
| 01:01.24 | StereoSkit | dudes, by any chance anyone has the md5sum of this --> linux-image-2.6.12-1-686_2.6.12-10_i386.deb, i cant find it in ftp.d.o |
| 01:01.24 | Stevie | Celeste: Such as whether you are running devfs, udev, or none of the above |
| 01:01.25 | beered | abrotman, strider: thanks. |
| 01:01.28 | gravity | moshii: Yes |
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| 01:01.41 | dn4 | ARG wwhy can I not do do java-install |
| 01:01.42 | Stevie | StereoSkit: Why are you looking for 2.6.12? |
| 01:01.45 | gravity | moshii: You should try and be nice about it first though |
| 01:01.47 | dn4 | it says no plugin found!! |
| 01:01.58 | thingfish | StereoSkit: I don't think 2.6.12 has been in Debian for quite a while. |
| 01:02.00 | moshii | gravity: well it only takes a uupdate to make this one work again .. |
| 01:02.02 | gravity | moshii: Hijacking a package as a first move is generally considered "being a jerk" |
| 01:02.04 | StereoSkit | Stevie: stable to testing |
| 01:02.08 | StereoSkit | o_O |
| 01:02.12 | Stevie | what do you mean? |
| 01:02.16 | lkj1 | Huh, It was too long for my "friendly paste bot" it is ignoring me now. :( |
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| 01:02.37 | apikoros | thanks moshii |
| 01:02.38 | strider | gravity: so, how does Ubuntu and Debian's Xorg work then. They would have patched things right? |
| 01:02.41 | Azar | Celeste: you activate your cd-rom by mounting it |
| 01:02.47 | Stevie | lkj1: use rafb.net |
| 01:02.52 | lkj1 | ok |
| 01:02.57 | gravity | strider: Eh? |
| 01:03.10 | StereoSkit | last time i migrate from stable to testing it asked me for that kernel image and as im going to do ti again i want to have the certaintity that the -deb i have is the correct |
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| 01:03.25 | Stevie | StereoSkit: You're going to want 2.6.15, not 2.6.12 |
| 01:03.27 | gravity | strider: You're going to have to clarify that. I don't understand at all what you just asked |
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| 01:03.44 | StereoSkit | ok then |
| 01:03.59 | thingfish | I have several minds. |
| 01:04.13 | nile | I'm on a laptop with reiserfs for the / and /home partitions (the only ones I have). I have laptop-mode enabled - however, every few seconds (anywhere from 4 to 9 or so), the process 'reiserfs/0' accesses the disk and prevents it from spinning down. this doesn't happen all of the time. mostly, it happens after I've suspended to disk and reboot later (with the suspend2 patch). Does anyone know why this happens, or if it's normal? |
| 01:04.19 | abrotman | thingfish: two butt cheeks eh ? |
| 01:04.20 | moshii | Stevie: I'll give you a piece of mine if you want? |
| 01:04.22 | lkj1 | http://rafb.net/paste/results/8PqQzi92.html |
| 01:04.33 | thingfish | abrotman: and lovely butt cheeks they are, too! |
| 01:04.44 | strider | gravity: um, I'll try to rephrase that. |
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| 01:05.07 | abrotman | thingfish: how do you know? |
| 01:05.18 | thingfish | hehe Azar |
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| 01:05.24 | efreet | hi |
| 01:05.35 | thingfish | abrotman: 'cause I can almost twist around far enough to see them. |
| 01:05.48 | abrotman | thingfish: ah .. you're a flexible kind of guy :) |
| 01:05.52 | thingfish | well, at least I used to be able to. |
| 01:05.59 | Stevie | lkj1, what kind of whacked out system do you have there? |
| 01:06.00 | eeyore- | i use my / with noatime mount option :-) |
| 01:06.00 | thingfish | back when I was young. |
| 01:06.09 | jmp_me | i forgot what tmp is acronym for! please tell me |
| 01:06.19 | Stevie | libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 ? |
| 01:06.21 | thingfish | now my cartilages are all calcified. |
| 01:06.23 | grelli | jmp_me: too many peons |
| 01:06.36 | abrotman | lkj1: did you think to ask #ubuntu ? |
| 01:06.40 | jmp_me | oh you thought of that joke for a time. i see :) |
| 01:06.43 | jmp_me | ha ha |
| 01:06.46 | eeyore- | thingfish: i do *not* want to know what you were up to when you were young ..... unless they're positively disgusting |
| 01:06.54 | jmp_me | but you have the answer |
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| 01:07.34 | grelli | seriously? |
| 01:07.35 | SimonRaven | amazing, uxterm came up at session start with no problems! :D /me happy |
| 01:07.58 | lkj1 | Me is not. |
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| 01:08.08 | SimonRaven | #debian #mplayer ##linux |
| 01:08.13 | jmp_me | i remembered it now, anyway. very silly boy |
| 01:08.21 | abrotman | lkj1: apt-cache policy libc6 .. paste it somewhere for us |
| 01:08.24 | Azar | lkj1: excerpt: Conflicts: xlibs-static-dev (< 6.8.1-0ubuntu1) |
| 01:08.33 | thingfish | hehe eeyore- |
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| 01:09.01 | grelli | so I can compile a driver to support my sata controller, is there an way to install debian straight to a disk on that controller? or should I take a more round-about approach |
| 01:09.05 | geckosenator | what is the package that contains sys/socket.h? |
| 01:09.12 | abrotman | !tell geckosenator about search |
| 01:09.14 | eeyore- | i like modular xorg ... |
| 01:09.18 | SimonRaven | probably libc6-dev |
| 01:09.22 | eeyore- | definitely a step in the right direction |
| 01:09.24 | geckosenator | SimonRaven: thanks |
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| 01:09.43 | SimonRaven | but use the search, i'm probably wrong |
| 01:09.47 | strider | gravity: the relationship between the Ubuntu and Debian Xorg packages. They have it working for some time i guess. How does their fixes enter Debian? |
| 01:10.02 | eeyore- | part of the reason i looked into directfb was because i didn't like the entirely of monolithic X |
| 01:10.03 | gravity | strider: I pull from them when I get the time |
| 01:10.08 | CosmicHippo | hey guys, quick question: what's the best way to tunnel vnc through ssh? (i.e. how?). I'ev looked for some howto's, but they are all slightly different... |
| 01:10.09 | gravity | strider: They don't submit anything directly at all |
| 01:10.11 | lkj1 | Here is the apt-cache policy thing http://rafb.net/paste/results/V9pym651.html |
| 01:10.13 | GutterPunk | has anyone made a java package lately? It all seems to work fine, except for a few warnings, but then when it's creating the package it appears to stall :/ |
| 01:10.27 | SimonRaven | how many fucking times does one need to fetch the same file .... |
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| 01:10.41 | abrotman | SimonRaven: three |
| 01:10.49 | strider | gravity: ah, i see. Thanks for the info |
| 01:10.51 | gravity | strider: I was collaborating with their old maintainer closely, but he left |
| 01:10.59 | gravity | strider: So I don't know who's managing their stuff now |
| 01:11.05 | SimonRaven | some java bot has fetched the same blogentry like 6 times already |
| 01:11.21 | eeyore- | SimonRaven: eh? |
| 01:11.23 | abrotman | lkj1: somehow .. you've got your system all fouled up .. you're going to have to work through it .. and i have no idea why it wants ubuntu packages .. what aare your sources? |
| 01:11.39 | strider | gravity: Daniel Stone? |
| 01:11.48 | SimonRaven | BlogEntry115 HTTP/1.1" 200 38575 "-" "Jakarta Commons-HttpClient/3.0" |
| 01:11.49 | lkj1 | What do you mean by "what are my sources"? |
| 01:11.57 | lkj1 | The stuff I want to install? |
| 01:12.00 | abrotman | lkj1: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:12.03 | SimonRaven | lkj1: what do you have in sources.list |
| 01:12.04 | gravity | strider: Yes |
| 01:12.13 | gravity | strider: I still collaborate with him, but he doesn't work on ubuntu anymore |
| 01:12.18 | eeyore- | lkj1: your information. who spilled the beans? |
| 01:12.23 | thingfish | I tried ubuntu 5.10 for about 5 minutes or so. |
| 01:12.26 | eeyore- | lkj1: uh, "your informant" |
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| 01:13.22 | efreet | i've got a problem with nfs/iptables: i've got a debian nfs server(2.6.15.6 kernel /stable) with an exported raid online in the Network 192.168.0.0/24 connected to my debian router (2.6.15.6/stable). I pinned all ports and forwarded it via iptables (all ports, udp, tcp, both directions) to the LAN 192.168.1.0/24 where my clients (debian testing, 2.6.16 kernel) are. The funny thing is, that I can sometimes mount the exports after a |
| 01:13.22 | efreet | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:13.29 | thingfish | should we all look at Madeye? |
| 01:13.53 | abrotman | no .. look at the long winded guy |
| 01:14.04 | thingfish | you mean nvz? |
| 01:14.19 | thingfish | hehe sorry |
| 01:14.23 | cusco | hi! I just compilled a little app.... how do I generate a deb package out of it? |
| 01:14.25 | abrotman | someday .. he's going to hunt me down and kill me |
| 01:14.25 | dvs | no, that's the "passing wind" guy |
| 01:14.26 | cusco | is it possible? |
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| 01:14.31 | abrotman | !tell cusco about mg |
| 01:14.34 | eeyore- | efreet: "portmapper" |
| 01:14.40 | SimonRaven | fishthing |
| 01:14.48 | efreet | mh |
| 01:14.50 | lkj1 | http://rafb.net/paste/results/uVUFX068.html |
| 01:15.00 | lkj1 | Those are my sources |
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| 01:15.01 | thingfish | I'm a zappa album. |
| 01:15.15 | eeyore- | efreet: you want to forward all connections from outside your LAN (say, internet at large) to the internal NFS server? |
| 01:15.19 | grelli | !tell grelli about mg |
| 01:15.22 | SimonRaven | i'm a me |
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| 01:15.43 | dn4 | why doesn't fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; work? |
| 01:15.44 | efreet | eeyore: no, i've got two lans |
| 01:15.48 | abrotman | lkj1: so you're really using kanotix ? |
| 01:15.49 | dn4 | I installed the java-package |
| 01:15.49 | CosmicHippo | how do you efficiently set up vnc tunneling through SSH? |
| 01:16.02 | CosmicHippo | (or X tunneling, or whatever) |
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| 01:16.10 | efreet | eeyore: port 111 is routed and portmapper is started before remote-mounting |
| 01:16.19 | SimonRaven | dn4: just run the script |
| 01:16.19 | lkj1 | I guess, it calls it self debian.. : here is what I am using. http://remote-exploit.org/index.php/Auditor_main |
| 01:16.19 | eeyore- | i have to go |
| 01:16.23 | moshii | CosmicHippo: for X tunneling .. I just do ssh -X machine someXapp |
| 01:16.27 | strider | dn4: what's the error? |
| 01:16.28 | Azar | wow what a huge source list |
| 01:16.30 | stew | dn4: did it give you an error? if so, give us the actual error, if its more than 1 line, use a pastebin |
| 01:16.31 | dvs | dn4: I thought it was suppose to be the jdk? |
| 01:16.42 | grelli | cusco: a quick and dirty (may also not be the Right Way) way to do it is with checkinstall |
| 01:16.48 | stew | dvs: it will do a jre as well |
| 01:16.48 | abrotman | !based on debian |
| 01:16.48 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 01:16.49 | moshii | CosmicHippo: you need to turn X forwarding on though.. |
| 01:16.58 | dvs | cool! |
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| 01:17.12 | dn4 | No matching plugin was found. |
| 01:17.12 | dn4 | Removing temporary directory: done |
| 01:17.16 | stew | omgsources.list that is nutty |
| 01:17.24 | CosmicHippo | moshii: where is that located? |
| 01:17.25 | dn4 | that is what I get when I run fakeroot make-jpkg jdk-1_5_0_06-linux-i586.bin |
| 01:17.34 | thingfish | !thing-fish |
| 01:17.35 | dpkg | A mammy nun, with a duck bill for a mouth and a potato for a head. Catholic clothes naturally sprouting out of it's body. Once a prisoner in Sam Quentim; got dosed with a bit of the Galoot Cologna they put in the mashed potatoes down there. |
| 01:17.38 | moshii | CosmicHippo: in the config for the ssh deamon |
| 01:17.42 | CosmicHippo | moshii: as just -X yells at me about display forwarding. ah, tahnks! |
| 01:17.47 | abrotman | thingfish: where'd fbi/thc go ? |
| 01:17.53 | `ns` | woke up this morning to a crashed and rebooted machine showing VFS: Cannot open root device "301" , running Debian testing, did an update/upgrade yesterday, with no reboot. What do I need to do to get this beast booting again ? |
| 01:17.57 | stew | dn4: it must be listed in /usr/share/doc/java-package/SUPPORTED |
| 01:17.58 | thingfish | abrotman: up in smoke, I suspect. |
| 01:18.12 | thingfish | abrotman: probably to #fedora. |
| 01:18.13 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:18.36 | lkj1 | So, how do I fix my "sources" or whatever that stuff is? |
| 01:18.41 | moshii | CosmicHippo: If you want to forward a whole xserver, you can use xnest I think |
| 01:18.44 | dn4 | stew, SWEET thank you |
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| 01:18.59 | SimonRaven | thingfish: is that 'Sam Quetim' intentional? |
| 01:19.19 | thingfish | SimonRaven: yep. you have to hear the original Thing-Fish say it. |
| 01:19.26 | thingfish | Ike Willis. |
| 01:19.28 | strider | dn4: arch? |
| 01:19.32 | SimonRaven | ok |
| 01:19.32 | jmd | What's a good (or even usable) package that can play ogg/theora files? |
| 01:19.46 | CosmicHippo | moshii: I'm having trouble finding that config. do you know where it is offhand? Otherwise I'll just peel through the manual and system until I find it, but I thought I'd just ask |
| 01:19.53 | thingfish | SimonRaven: he be talkin' da vernacular. |
| 01:19.54 | stew | lkj1: sorry, we can't help you, go to a channel for your distribution |
| 01:19.56 | dn4 | strider, amd athalon 800mhz so 386 586 |
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| 01:20.17 | SimonRaven | ah, yeh, de vernacular |
| 01:20.43 | thingfish | I don't expect everyone to understand it or appreciate it. |
| 01:20.51 | thingfish | but it's a masterpiece. |
| 01:20.54 | Azar | lkj1: you have been found not running Debian. Even though your linux distro is Debian-based, is NOT Debian. Get help from the channel where your real linux distribution is. |
| 01:20.59 | thingfish | brilliant work. |
| 01:21.07 | thingfish | vocals like you can't believe. |
| 01:21.10 | strider | dn4: i remember there being a bug with an older version of java-package. What version do you have? |
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| 01:21.23 | thingfish | and filthy, filthy lyrics. |
| 01:21.27 | thingfish | :) |
| 01:21.31 | dn4 | strider: how do I find that out? |
| 01:21.57 | dn4 | make-jpkg 0.24 |
| 01:22.00 | strider | dn4: dpkg -l java-package |
| 01:22.03 | nile | Azar, (I haven't been following along, so sorry if my comment makes no sense, but) you could also just switch to (real) Debian, too =) |
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| 01:22.08 | thingfish | Just ask Rhonda what she's doing with the pen and the briefcase. |
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| 01:22.19 | Azar | nile, yes I guess I could |
| 01:22.31 | dn4 | java-package 0.24 |
| 01:22.35 | SimonRaven | thingfish: i can't say the same for these crappy earphones though (wrt speakers) |
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| 01:23.00 | strider | dn4: try DEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE=i386-linux fakeroot make-jpkg jre-packagename.bin |
| 01:23.05 | digijohn | Hey, any Blobwars players here? |
| 01:23.21 | stew | dn4: you need to either get an older jdk or install the java-package from etch, normally you shouldn't install an etch package on stable, but in this case it is ok, java-packages was intended to install ok on any debian version |
| 01:23.45 | dn4 | strider, that magically works |
| 01:24.03 | thingfish | gosh, thanks to gtypist, I can halfway touch type. |
| 01:24.08 | SimonRaven | magically delicious |
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| 01:24.11 | thingfish | I mean, it's like 15 wpm, but hey. |
| 01:24.16 | mike-_- | saved by slackware 10 and kernel 2.4.10, this beeing a pure 2.6 |
| 01:24.48 | unstable | I have debian/fluxbox on my laptop...and I ssh into a server and use screen/irssi so I can detach when I turn off my laptop and reattach when I am backonline... How can I use the openurl.pl script to open up a link in my firefox browser on my laptop, when irssi/screen is being used via ssh remotely? |
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| 01:25.57 | strider | dn4: cool :) |
| 01:26.10 | dn4 | strider, thank you for helping |
| 01:26.23 | moshii | CosmicHippo: /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
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| 01:26.35 | efreet | thanks so far, good night |
| 01:26.37 | moshii | CosmicHippo: X11Forwarding yes |
| 01:26.39 | NoRC` | how do i check the driver being used for my video card in GNome? |
| 01:26.47 | thingfish | does anybody need a pot grower? I could sure use a job as a pot grower. |
| 01:26.56 | dvs | o_O |
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| 01:27.04 | abrotman | thingfish: that would work .. if you wouldn't smoke it all |
| 01:27.15 | thingfish | abrotman: oh I would be a good boy. |
| 01:27.19 | nile | thingfish, 15 wpm is respectable =P |
| 01:27.25 | SimonRaven | or tobacco grower |
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| 01:27.34 | thingfish | haha nile then hire me as your secretary. |
| 01:27.35 | abrotman | nile: for a six year old |
| 01:27.54 | thingfish | actually, I can type more like 17 wpm. |
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| 01:28.15 | thingfish | which is good enough for government work. |
| 01:28.39 | settked | does anyone know what does (oui Unknown) means in arp replies? |
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| 01:28.44 | SimonRaven | organic of course ;) |
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| 01:29.12 | Azar | the new 2.6.16 kernel specs: http://news.com.com/2100-7344_3-6052314.html?part=rss&tag=6052314&subj=news |
| 01:29.20 | nile | abrotman, 6 year olds have small hands - I'd be impressed with one that could manage 15wpm! |
| 01:29.34 | Frem | My IceWM "Programs" submenu has randomly stopped updating. I checked, and ~/.icemw/programs is still a symbolic link to /etc/X11/icewm/programs and all. Any ideas? |
| 01:29.47 | thingfish | I don't do non-sarge kernels anymore. Nothing but trouble, I'm telling you. |
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| 01:30.05 | SimonRaven | Azar: it's called a Changelog ;) |
| 01:30.07 | thingfish | backports.org is evil. |
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| 01:30.44 | Azar | :) SimonRaven is just an article highlighting the new features and comments on future kernels |
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| 01:30.58 | SimonRaven | :) |
| 01:31.02 | nile | thingfish, "Accuracy, heh! Efficiency, hah! The Government needs not these things." (from http://dvzine.org/zine/12-13.html, 2nd page, 2nd row, 2nd panel) =) |
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| 01:31.22 | Azar | thingfish: same here, I sit nice waiting for Etch release. |
| 01:31.27 | thingfish | nile: all the government needs is guns and fear. |
| 01:31.36 | thingfish | Azar: oh I can't wait! |
| 01:31.43 | Azar | thingfish: I can |
| 01:31.46 | Azar | :) |
| 01:31.47 | thingfish | updated gnome, and everything! |
| 01:31.51 | thingfish | well, I will. |
| 01:31.58 | Azar | ew gnome, eww kde |
| 01:32.11 | thingfish | oh you're one of *those*. |
| 01:32.19 | thingfish | ;) |
| 01:32.19 | Azar | I am a monk |
| 01:32.25 | thingfish | haha you wish. |
| 01:32.31 | dn4 | unzipping issue http://pastebin.com/615423 |
| 01:32.31 | freeone3000 | So. ##linux is rather busy discussing something important... How would I force exim4 to send all messages NOW? |
| 01:32.36 | thingfish | god I want to be a monk so bad. |
| 01:32.53 | Azar | dn4 btw yesterday there was an upgrade for unzip |
| 01:32.55 | thingfish | but my monastery needs to have pot and Debian on its computers. |
| 01:32.57 | pollywog | thingfish: to avoid taxes? |
| 01:32.59 | pollywog | ;) |
| 01:33.02 | thingfish | bah no |
| 01:33.10 | thingfish | I don't pay taxes anyway. |
| 01:33.12 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:33.15 | gravity | damn hippies |
| 01:33.15 | Azar | monastery >> cellar filled with wine |
| 01:33.16 | thingfish | j/k |
| 01:33.16 | jmd | freeone3000, #exim |
| 01:33.17 | brianut | freeone3000, don't know about exim but with qmail you can send it the alarm signal to force it to reprocess the queue |
| 01:33.31 | thingfish | Azar: wine, or ale, I'm not particular. |
| 01:33.31 | freeone3000 | jmd: Thank you. |
| 01:33.37 | pollywog | do monks make cookies? |
| 01:34.01 | thingfish | pollywog: they make whatever they can sell to support themselves. |
| 01:34.34 | thingfish | some run printeries, some run honey operations, some teach college... |
| 01:34.38 | jmd | thingfish, like Beer. |
| 01:34.43 | brianut | Im trying to use this from syslog.conf on my debian box :The named pipe /dev/xconsole is for the `xconsole' utility. To use it, |
| 01:34.43 | brianut | # you must invoke `xconsole' with the `-file' option: |
| 01:34.44 | thingfish | yay-es :0 |
| 01:34.49 | `ns` | woke up this morning to a crashed and rebooted machine showing Kernel panic - not syncing : VFS : unable to mount root fs on unknown block (3,1) , running Debian testing, did an update/upgrade yesterday, with no reboot.I can see the drives fine from Ubuntu live, lilo.conf looks ok, and I haven't touched it in a long time, so does fstab. What do I need to do to get this beast booting again ? Ideas ? |
| 01:35.09 | thingfish | jmd: you're talking about our wonderful Belgian Trappist monk brothers - the boys at Chimay. |
| 01:35.17 | brianut | However, typing in xconsole returns command not found and I couldn't find xconsole or anything similar with apt. |
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| 01:35.55 | thingfish | surely they have some computers that could use converting to Debian... |
| 01:36.05 | jmd | thingfish, There's a number of monasteries which run breweries. |
| 01:36.20 | thingfish | jmd: and I say, God bless them all. |
| 01:36.30 | jmd | thingfish, Amen. |
| 01:36.43 | thingfish | jmd: one I spent time at in southern indiana made their own wine. |
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| 01:37.05 | thingfish | jmd: it was incredible, meaty stuff. |
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| 01:37.15 | thingfish | benedictines :) |
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| 01:37.23 | thingfish | them boys know how to party |
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| 01:38.19 | thingfish | wow, I bet they can afford a nice organ. |
| 01:38.32 | abrotman | they donate the profits after monestary upkeep |
| 01:38.38 | andeerson | Jews Did WTC!!! http://jewsdidwtc.com |
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| 01:38.40 | thingfish | yeah, sure they do. |
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| 01:38.52 | andeerson | Jews Did WTC!!! http://jewsdidwtc.com |
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| 01:38.59 | thingfish | I'll swear. |
| 01:39.00 | andeerson | Jews Did WTC!!! http://jewsdidwtc.com |
| 01:39.02 | andeerson | . |
| 01:39.04 | abrotman | stupid people suck |
| 01:39.04 | andeerson | Jews Did WTC!!! http://jewsdidwtc.com |
| 01:39.05 | sonyman | not this shit again |
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| 01:39.18 | thingfish | <sigh> |
| 01:39.18 | freeone3000 | Well. That's effective. |
| 01:39.20 | abrotman | dvs: could you .. he's apparently in toronto |
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| 01:39.25 | dvs | abrotman: exactly |
| 01:39.37 | sonyman | he was klined for that yesterday using a diff nick |
| 01:39.49 | thingfish | damn toronto freak-ass bastards... |
| 01:39.51 | abrotman | he gets klined every day |
| 01:39.56 | dvs | abrotman: But that could be anywhere in the greater area |
| 01:39.57 | Azar | so sad he was canadian, I was expecting more intelligent people out there |
| 01:40.03 | sonyman | eh? |
| 01:40.10 | sonyman | :) |
| 01:40.11 | abrotman | dvs: i'm sure sympatico could tell you |
| 01:40.16 | SimonRaven | andeerson: stfu troll |
| 01:40.20 | thingfish | Azar: no doubt a patient in some canadian psycho ward somewhere. |
| 01:40.23 | abrotman | SimonRaven: a little late :) |
| 01:40.24 | freeone3000 | "Excuse me, he's spreading stupid..." |
| 01:40.26 | SimonRaven | @ops andabagreed/me gets the shotguns ready |
| 01:40.27 | dvs | abrotman: Bell couldn't scratch their own ass |
| 01:40.27 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, azeem, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: andabagreed/me gets the shotguns ready |
| 01:40.37 | jmd | Toronto is not far from the border ..... |
| 01:40.39 | SimonRaven | ... |
| 01:40.43 | abrotman | hey .. not me! |
| 01:40.44 | SimonRaven | fucking irssi. sorry ops |
| 01:40.44 | gravity | Sorry about the lag time to +q him. I'm uploading right now |
| 01:40.47 | thingfish | it's just crazy in here. |
| 01:40.51 | Azar | thingfish: that what I was thinking too maybe a mental disturbed |
| 01:40.59 | dvs | thingfish: yeah, parliament |
| 01:41.04 | SimonRaven | w.t.f. |
| 01:41.05 | gravity | uh... wow |
| 01:41.06 | thingfish | Azar: #debian attracts that type. |
| 01:41.07 | *** mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 01:41.27 | SimonRaven | how did my irssi get split from fucking like that? |
| 01:41.35 | dvs | jmd: Yeah, from Buffalo. But who wants to go there? |
| 01:41.55 | thingfish | who wants to go anywhere into new york, except The City. |
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| 01:41.59 | mentor | mmm |
| 01:42.07 | jmd | dvs, Indeed, it looked like a bit of a dump when I drove through it. |
| 01:42.12 | sonyman | thingfish: thats an ignorant statement |
| 01:42.19 | abrotman | thingfish: there are other very nice parts of new york |
| 01:42.32 | thingfish | sonyman: if you knew me well, you wouldn't be surprised. |
| 01:42.45 | sonyman | thingfish: how so |
| 01:42.50 | strider22 | I like the agawa canyon. It's a nice trip from Canada |
| 01:42.54 | thingfish | abrotman: that's not polluted? |
| 01:42.55 | LtL | abrotman - so true, i.e. the empire state ny |
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| 01:43.17 | abrotman | thingfish: there are plenty very nice parts of NY .. |
| 01:43.39 | sonyman | Long Island ftw. |
| 01:43.43 | abrotman | ew |
| 01:43.44 | thingfish | abrotman: well, I'm sure that's true, actually. parts west and northwest, maybe. |
| 01:43.46 | strider22 | baseball hall of fame |
| 01:43.48 | abrotman | Fisher Island! |
| 01:43.52 | strider22 | corning |
| 01:43.53 | LtL | thingfish - ny state has more national forest than the other 49. Off topic, sorry. |
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| 01:43.57 | sonyman | I was born in Queens :-) |
| 01:44.10 | thingfish | well who am I to be talking - it's got to be better than kansas fucking city. |
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| 01:44.18 | sonyman | thingfish: amen! |
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| 01:44.20 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:44.23 | LtL | and nyc rocks, imho. :) |
| 01:44.24 | abrotman | thingfish: at least you don't live in norristown! |
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| 01:44.37 | dvs | abrotman: How's Chuck? |
| 01:44.39 | dvs | ;-) |
| 01:44.47 | thingfish | abrotman: oh I wish I did! my italian relatives that live there would keep me so well-fed. |
| 01:44.48 | abrotman | dvs: how's your wife . the penguin? |
| 01:44.57 | abrotman | thingfish: no more butt for you! |
| 01:44.59 | dvs | doh! |
| 01:45.08 | thingfish | I want crabs for breakfast. |
| 01:45.12 | abrotman | uh |
| 01:45.18 | thingfish | that's what uncle albert fed me. |
| 01:45.19 | debshine | he folks question -- when doing /etc/init.d/networking restart. all of a sudden i'm getting this message: |
| 01:45.21 | debshine | Setting up IP spoofing protection: rp_filter. |
| 01:45.21 | debshine | Reconfiguring network interfaces...ifup: interface lo already configured |
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| 01:45.45 | debshine | running a new sarge install |
| 01:45.49 | Bizurke | I'm having problems getting gizmo to work, I've installed bonjour and the libsipphoneapi package and then gizmo. I get an error about libdns_sd.so not being there. Anyone know how I can fix this? |
| 01:45.53 | grandma | anyone familiar with a linksys wireless WPC11 v3 under 2.6.16? |
| 01:45.55 | dvs | debshine: That doesn't look like a big deal |
| 01:45.55 | LtL | debshine - looks good. |
| 01:46.07 | Azar | the etch beta2 installer uses and installs the 2.6.15 kernel, but what is more pleasant: no graphical interface installer! |
| 01:46.18 | dvs | grandma: pci? |
| 01:46.28 | grandma | WPC11 v3 is PCMCIA |
| 01:46.32 | debshine | LtL, dvs -- no, no prob, but just wondering why it just started. it didn't do that the last 2-3 days i've had sarge installed |
| 01:46.37 | thingfish | since when did Debian have a graphical installer, Azar? |
| 01:46.49 | Azar | thingfish: sarge.. ? |
| 01:46.49 | abrotman | it doesn't |
| 01:46.59 | thingfish | we don't need no stinkin' graphical installer. |
| 01:47.01 | sonyman | thingfish: there is a beta one, but imho its pointless |
| 01:47.05 | abrotman | unless you count ncurses as GUI |
| 01:47.09 | grandma | i'm able to get it to see the device, i've loaded every module conceivable |
| 01:47.10 | thingfish | I should think so, sonyman. |
| 01:47.12 | LtL | debshine - it's part of default iptables setup. |
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| 01:47.18 | Azar | abrotman: yeah ncurses thing |
| 01:47.23 | sonyman | the new gentoo graphical installer spoils half the fun of gentoo |
| 01:47.26 | jade | how can i tell what the inode value is for my /dev/hda? |
| 01:47.34 | dadexter | there's fun in gentoo? |
| 01:47.34 | abrotman | du -i ? |
| 01:47.37 | thingfish | like some fool can't hit Enter. |
| 01:47.40 | abrotman | df -i |
| 01:47.41 | sonyman | ncurses...gui...haha |
| 01:47.41 | Azar | hahaha |
| 01:47.42 | abrotman | sorry |
| 01:47.42 | debshine | LtL, oh? ya, maybe. i did just configure iptables. so, is the rp_filter a module or what? |
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| 01:47.51 | sonyman | dadexter: indeed, there is |
| 01:47.54 | jade | abrotman, thanks |
| 01:47.54 | yoo | Hi ! |
| 01:47.58 | LtL | debshine - yes itsa module |
| 01:48.00 | dadexter | I personally hated gentoo |
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| 01:48.13 | thingfish | well small wonder, dadexter. |
| 01:48.26 | thingfish | who wouldn't, I mean, unless they had OCD? |
| 01:48.33 | dadexter | lol |
| 01:48.36 | Azar | finally my prayers were heard!!! |
| 01:48.37 | debshine | LtL, thanks for the tip. lastly, it's not something i can unload (rmmod) it's included with iptables by default? |
| 01:48.40 | Azar | The installer will set up /etc/apt/sources.list for the installed system using the codename (etch) rather than the suite (testing) of the release being installed. |
| 01:48.42 | yoo | somebody know how enable acoustic management on hdparm ? |
| 01:48.45 | sonyman | dadexter: I run it on my main box since its updated so frequently. This box runs BlackRhino Debian since it suits my needs for this box better. |
| 01:48.54 | Azar | thank you thank you thank you! |
| 01:49.04 | thingfish | I'm serious - the proper medication would totally wipe out gentoo users. |
| 01:49.10 | nile | is "BlackRhino Debian" a derivative distribution? |
| 01:49.17 | dvs | who/ |
| 01:49.19 | dadexter | sonyman, I ran gentoo a while back... got on my nerves... now I'm a recent slackware convert |
| 01:49.19 | nile | thingfish, lol =) |
| 01:49.22 | abrotman | thingfish: a bullet? |
| 01:49.26 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:49.28 | LtL | debshine - rmmod may work, but why? |
| 01:49.32 | abrotman | nile: yes .. iirc .. for PS2 ? |
| 01:49.32 | thingfish | MANY bullets |
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| 01:49.41 | sonyman | nile: http://blackrhino.xrhino.com |
| 01:49.44 | abrotman | !tell libertad about root |
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| 01:49.48 | dvs | uh oh |
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| 01:49.57 | debshine | LtL, no reason. just wondering out loud. i won't remove it. |
| 01:50.07 | sonyman | dadexter: slackware is a great distro. The first one that actually "clicked" for me |
| 01:50.08 | abrotman | hehe .. he was on the same IP .. poor tard |
| 01:50.08 | debshine | LtL, thanks for the clarifications. happier now |
| 01:50.15 | nile | abrotman, that was /fast/ |
| 01:50.23 | abrotman | nile: ? |
| 01:50.25 | sonyman | abrotman: yes, PS2 |
| 01:50.27 | dadexter | sonyman, same here... just needed something different |
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| 01:50.32 | Azar | hmm I never seen / used / tried LVM partition.. is it hard? |
| 01:50.32 | thingfish | dadexter: oh get real. don't come in here and even TALK unless you're running Debian. |
| 01:50.39 | sonyman | abrotman: I'm using irssi on my PS2 right now |
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| 01:50.44 | nile | abrotman, !tell libertad |
| 01:50.47 | abrotman | oh |
| 01:50.52 | abrotman | sonyman: dork |
| 01:50.55 | dadexter | thingfish, like I said... I am a recent slackware convert... do I need to explain more? |
| 01:50.55 | sonyman | abrotman: ;-) |
| 01:50.56 | mentor | hmmm. |
| 01:51.10 | sonyman | abrotman: its been my main box the past few weeks |
| 01:51.16 | grandma | i can't get anything to see my wireless router which is wide open and been reset many times, less than 2 feet away |
| 01:51.26 | Azar | thingfish, ever tried partitioning with LVM ? |
| 01:51.36 | thingfish | dadexter: you mean you used to run slackware, but now you run Debian? my word, sorry for the misunderstanding! |
| 01:51.39 | sonyman | abrotman: hopefully soon I'll have X set up with a window manager. ATM I've got just the cli to work with. |
| 01:51.53 | thingfish | Azar: not with Debian. |
| 01:51.56 | mentor | grandma: Open your eyes? What wireless carda re you using? |
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| 01:52.13 | dadexter | thingfish, np |
| 01:52.19 | abrotman | nile: i'm a bot! |
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| 01:52.30 | Talnakh | i want to build a mail proxy to filter some of the emails before they arrive to main mail server. does anyone has any experience with this? |
| 01:52.37 | grandma | linksys WPC11 v3, i've stated this not more than 5 minutes ago |
| 01:52.45 | grandma | orinoco |
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| 01:52.52 | grandma | PCMCIA |
| 01:52.55 | mentor | Everyone is welcome here, as long as they don't expect us to support non Debian systems, and there are no holy wars, soap=boxing, recruituiting :) |
| 01:53.02 | stew | abrotman: botsnack |
| 01:53.05 | abrotman | Talnakh: there are tons of docs out there about it |
| 01:53.05 | thingfish | dadexter: are you finding your way around Debian well? |
| 01:53.08 | mentor | grandma: I wasn't watching. |
| 01:53.16 | abrotman | stew: Aw gee, Thanks! |
| 01:53.19 | grandma | mentor: then don't tell me to open my eyes :0P |
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| 01:53.33 | shutik | can someone help me with upgrading to mysql server to version 5? |
| 01:53.37 | Azar | wait a sec... Woody used LVM |
| 01:53.38 | grandma | i didn't see message highlight if you asked earlier |
| 01:53.49 | mentor | grandma: I didn't |
| 01:54.05 | mentor | grandma: I told you to open your eyes, because you were complaining that you couldn't get anything to see your router. |
| 01:54.07 | Talnakh | abrotman, i just got abit lazy today. but anyway, i ll google. just hoped that maybe there is someone whos done it before |
| 01:54.16 | dvs | !lart mentor |
| 01:54.18 | mentor | grandma: HAve you got a wireless network interface then? |
| 01:54.21 | abrotman | Talnakh: what smtp server will you use ? |
| 01:54.37 | thingfish | tsk leave mentor alone |
| 01:54.48 | abrotman | !beer mentor |
| 01:54.50 | grandma | linksys...WPC11...version 3...orinoco chipset...PCMCIA |
| 01:54.59 | abrotman | cardmgr see it ? |
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| 01:55.02 | thingfish | mentor is a valuable op who will stay around to smite the nasty freaks that pop in here. |
| 01:55.12 | mentor | hehe |
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| 01:55.23 | sonyman | sounds like a decent chap :-) |
| 01:55.24 | dvs | thingfish: Then why am I still here? ;-) |
| 01:55.25 | grandma | pccardctl sees it |
| 01:55.49 | mentor | grandma: yeah, I read up once I realised you'd spoken. 'ifconfig -a'? |
| 01:55.53 | grandma | i'm using pcmciautils, 2.6.16 |
| 01:55.56 | thingfish | dvs: because you brought the bean dip? |
| 01:56.01 | grandma | the interfaces are detected |
| 01:56.04 | dvs | oh yeah |
| 01:56.04 | Talnakh | abrotman, dont laugh but i am bound to use Mdaemon mail server on windows as the end machine. and for proxy i think anything will do... postfix qmail or exim, hopefully no sendmail. |
| 01:56.07 | Jaga | anyone heard of dorada beer? |
| 01:56.08 | grandma | wlan0, wifi0, wlan0ap |
| 01:56.19 | grandma | iwconfig, ifconfig both see it |
| 01:56.39 | Azar | what this means? etch beta2: Installing Sarge is not supported; we expect to support this again in the next release. |
| 01:56.41 | thingfish | Jaga: no but I'm sure I'd love to drink one. |
| 01:56.43 | mentor | grandma: This is a laptop? |
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| 01:56.50 | mentor | grandma: Hwo have oyu been scanning? |
| 01:56.52 | grandma | this was all working until i upgraded to 2.6.12 some time back |
| 01:57.09 | mentor | arg |
| 01:57.09 | Jaga | thingfish: yeah you would, its reeeaally good. |
| 01:57.14 | abrotman | Talnakh: #postfix may know of some docs .. or whichever channel for whichever smtp server you decide to use |
| 01:57.18 | grandma | iwlist scanning, wlassistant |
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| 01:57.32 | thingfish | Jaga: good beers are nice. :) |
| 01:57.33 | grandma | yes this is a laptop |
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| 01:57.59 | Talnakh | abrotman, yeah, will try to find something. thanks anyway for attention :-) |
| 01:58.21 | mentor | grandma: What do you get as output from iwlist? How did you upgrade Linux? Have you got an RF kill switch? |
| 01:58.28 | Azar | hmm ubuntu developers have actively helped to the works of etch beta2 |
| 01:58.41 | abrotman | Talnakh: i can say that at www.postfix.org ... they have a pile of docs |
| 01:58.43 | grandma | apt, i use stock kernels |
| 01:58.44 | apt | You use stock kernels? |
| 01:58.59 | grandma | iwlist says "no scan results" |
| 01:59.01 | Jaga | indeed they are. :) and I'm drinking errr.. not really one of them now. |
| 01:59.16 | grandma | apt: heh,it was an answer for 'how did you upgrade?' |
| 01:59.27 | abrotman | Talnakh: http://www.postfix.org/docs.html |
| 01:59.34 | mentor | apt are you a bot? |
| 01:59.40 | grandma | apt: way to have the nick 'apt' in a debian channel, hehe |
| 01:59.48 | stew | apt: what are you |
| 01:59.50 | apt | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 01:59.51 | abrotman | yeah .. like dpkg |
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| 02:00.01 | grandma | bah |
| 02:00.04 | mentor | :) |
| 02:00.09 | grandma | stupid bots |
| 02:00.10 | Jaga | apt: fancy a beer? |
| 02:00.12 | thingfish | !hello love |
| 02:00.13 | Ironhand | slightly OT question: is there an efficient commandline tool that will report the full name for a certain user? (to use in shell scripts) |
| 02:00.16 | sonyman | dpkg isn't a bot. He's just a feller without a life that talks like one ;) |
| 02:00.26 | stew | ~gender |
| 02:00.27 | apt | I'm lesbian |
| 02:00.30 | Jaga | obviously not... |
| 02:00.32 | thingfish | tsl |
| 02:00.35 | mentor | Ironhand: no, script it, getent passwd user |
| 02:00.35 | thingfish | *tsk |
| 02:00.40 | Talnakh | abrotman, thanks ;-) |
| 02:00.48 | thingfish | all you straight boys and your lesbian fantasies. |
| 02:00.56 | Ironhand | thx mentor |
| 02:01.01 | grandma | it's not the bots, it's the people that put silly auto responses in them |
| 02:01.09 | mentor | ~cmd: gender |
| 02:01.14 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:01.15 | mentor | ~literal gender |
| 02:01.17 | apt | "gender" is "<reply> I'm (gay|lesbian|female|sexless|male|hermaphroditic|pregnant|not sure)" |
| 02:01.23 | mentor | meh |
| 02:01.24 | Azar | Ironhand: only if the user have completed the info field when he registered |
| 02:01.30 | abrotman | well .. better than most useless factoids :) |
| 02:01.37 | Ronin | thingfish: nothing wrong with movie lesbians :) |
| 02:01.42 | mentor | ... Do people know what gender means> |
| 02:01.43 | mentor | ? |
| 02:01.55 | grandma | so, anyone have any suggestions to get wireless working again? |
| 02:02.06 | thingfish | Ronin: oh - you mean the ones that also happen to welcome the odd male into the mix? |
| 02:02.19 | Ironhand | Azar: naturally :-) |
| 02:02.19 | Ronin | thingfish: as a matter of fact yes |
| 02:02.33 | abrotman | gah .. more canadians! |
| 02:02.37 | silensius | what's the difference between mplayer-586 & mplayer-386 |
| 02:02.49 | thingfish | Ronin: well then they aren't proper lesbians, are they? :) |
| 02:02.52 | madd_matt | Does anybody else use a lego cam/ logitech web webcam? I can't get it to work consistently with the qc-usb driver. It works once then doesn't anymore until i disconnect it and attach it to my XP machine and then go back to debian |
| 02:02.55 | abrotman | which CPU it's compiled for |
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| 02:02.58 | stew | grandma: what driver are you using? does your card require firmware? |
| 02:03.12 | Ronin | abrotman: now dont be jealous |
| 02:03.16 | abrotman | Ronin: eh? |
| 02:03.24 | Ronin | thingfish: so? its my fantasy now isnt'it :) |
| 02:03.24 | abrotman | Ronin: wicked funny! :) |
| 02:03.27 | grandma | stew, the card is detected, iwconfig and ifconfig both see it. |
| 02:03.31 | Ronin | abrotman: canadians, you know you want to be one |
| 02:03.36 | grandma | i have achieved that much |
| 02:03.43 | mentor | ~gender is <reply>I'm (male|female|asexual|hermaphrodotic|unwilling to conform to your primitive notions of gender) |
| 02:03.44 | apt | is <reply>I'm (male|female|asexual|hermaphrodotic|unwilling to conform to your primitive notions of gender) is male |
| 02:03.49 | thingfish | besides, I guarantee you you don't want to make it with some butch chopped haircut biker lesbian named Mike. |
| 02:03.50 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:03.50 | mentor | ~gender |
| 02:03.51 | apt | I'm hermaphroditic |
| 02:03.55 | pm2 | I'm having a networking issue - I have a box acting as a DHCP server for a network 192.168.0.0/255.255.0.0. When I client runs dhclient or dhcpcd, on the server I see the DHCPDISCOVER by the client, and DHCPOFFER by the server. However, the client never gets the IP. |
| 02:03.56 | grandma | i am unable to scan or connect to the Access Point |
| 02:03.56 | stew | grandma: is it associated? does it see anything when you iwlist? |
| 02:03.58 | pm2 | Any ideas? |
| 02:04.04 | abrotman | mentor: it's not really worth it .. barely anyone uses apt |
| 02:04.08 | mentor | grandma: RF kill switch |
| 02:04.09 | mentor | ?> |
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| 02:04.17 | mentor | abrotman: I know. |
| 02:04.22 | mentor | dpkg literal gender |
| 02:04.22 | dpkg | "#debian gender" is "<reply> I'm (gay|lesbian|female|sexless|male|hermaphroditic|pregnant|not sure)" |
| 02:04.27 | mentor | boh |
| 02:04.35 | Azar | Ironhand: you might get some hints from this manual: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/system-administrator/ch-sysadmin-users.html |
| 02:04.39 | grandma | stew: no, nothing shows in iwlist, router is wide open setup, been reset numerous times |
| 02:04.42 | abrotman | bah .. not worth it either :) |
| 02:04.51 | thingfish | that's a pretty broad definition of gender. |
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| 02:05.01 | abrotman | yeah .. but it's not remotely offensive :) |
| 02:05.04 | thingfish | hehe |
| 02:05.13 | thingfish | yeah...we need to change that. |
| 02:05.17 | mentor | !gender is <reply>I'm (male|female|asexual|hermaphrodotic|not sure|unable to find out|unwilling to conform to your primitive notions of gender) |
| 02:05.18 | dpkg | mentor is female |
| 02:05.18 | Jaga | wow, I'd forgotten how much of a pain in the **** installing a redhat/fedora linux is. |
| 02:05.18 | livingtm | I installed the kernel image 2.6.15-1_i686. Is there any way i can get the kernel source and configuration for that image? |
| 02:05.20 | abrotman | dpkg is full of offensive stuff .. that's not it |
| 02:05.33 | abrotman | mentor: your bot-fu .. sucks :) |
| 02:05.38 | CosmicHippo | oh wow, vnc tunneling was pretty easy. but NO documentation explains it very well at all |
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| 02:05.54 | mentor | Just as long as the offensiveness is grammatically and semantically correct. |
| 02:06.07 | abrotman | mentor: it's also locked .. you won't be able to change it |
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| 02:06.21 | Azar | I need help with "nobody" what it is ? UID 65534 is user "nobody", an account with no rights or permissions. |
| 02:06.39 | mentor | abrotman: you think? |
| 02:06.44 | grandma | i know exactly how to get this thing working on sarge, i had all this working before |
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| 02:06.51 | stew | Azar: getent passwd nobody |
| 02:06.53 | thingfish | mentor: just because we're sometimes offensive doesn't mean we should descend to grammatical incorrectness. |
| 02:06.59 | abrotman | mentor: unless you're on the bot admin list i guess |
| 02:07.06 | mentor | thingfish: Exactly! |
| 02:07.12 | thingfish | I mean, Standards, people! |
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| 02:07.46 | izzyb | how do I reconfigure xwindows for a LCD display under sarge? |
| 02:07.49 | izzyb | upgrading from a crt |
| 02:07.51 | Azar | stew, thank you but I did not understand, everyday at 6:25pm user nobody accesses root for one second. I assume could be a process, but I do not understand the concept |
| 02:08.09 | abrotman | !drxx izzyb |
| 02:08.09 | dpkg | izzyb: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 02:08.11 | thingfish | izzyb: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 gives you that option. |
| 02:08.17 | izzyb | lcd has an annoying box I can't seem to get rid of that says 'out of range' |
| 02:08.25 | izzyb | thanks :) |
| 02:08.28 | stew | Azar: what do you mean be "accesses root"? |
| 02:08.30 | sonyman | izzyb: the freq's are wrong |
| 02:08.39 | sonyman | izzyb: or the resolution |
| 02:08.43 | izzyb | that it was something like that, but wasnt sure exactly |
| 02:08.45 | LtL | Azar - nobody is supposed to be there, with no rights, permissions. |
| 02:08.50 | Azar | stew: reading /var/log/auth.log it logs in as root |
| 02:09.09 | grandma | bah...i think if i get tired of hacking with this wireless i'll just go back to sarge |
| 02:09.22 | Azar | ok thanks stew, LtL.... I got the general picture |
| 02:09.24 | avar | is there no ploticus package in sarge? |
| 02:09.25 | izzyb | hmm, now the question is, can I run this while in xwindows? |
| 02:09.42 | avar | # apt-cache search ^ploticus |
| 02:09.43 | avar | ploticus-doc - Documentation and gallery of examples for ploticus |
| 02:09.43 | stew | Azar: nobody shouldn't be able to log in as root, what line is making you think it is? |
| 02:09.44 | sonyman | izzyb: yes, but the changes won't take effect 'til X restarts |
| 02:09.47 | avar | just a doc package |
| 02:09.55 | izzyb | cool :) |
| 02:10.04 | Azar | stew I was thinking about the ntp doing this everyday to synchronize the time |
| 02:10.06 | mentor | !mentorgender |
| 02:10.06 | dpkg | methinks mentorgender is mentor is sexless |
| 02:10.10 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:10.10 | mentor | ... |
| 02:10.18 | thingfish | oh mentor, I bet you have a sex. |
| 02:10.28 | izzyb | hmm, does it default to the current config, or is ati the default config |
| 02:10.29 | mentor | I wish people would get the difference between sex and gender right |
| 02:10.32 | stew | avar: /msg dpkg why is ploticus not in testing |
| 02:10.39 | mentor | I'm male and sexless at the same time! |
| 02:10.44 | Stevie | izzyb: ace of spades |
| 02:10.45 | thingfish | mentor's sex = wild monkey sex kitten |
| 02:10.52 | avar | mentor: what is the difference? |
| 02:10.53 | sonyman | izzyb: it will use the defaults, not what you have set up |
| 02:11.06 | avar | stew: thanks |
| 02:11.11 | izzyb | Stevie, :) |
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| 02:11.13 | Azar | stew: Mar 21 06:25:03 egeon su[990]: + ??? root:nobody |
| 02:11.14 | Azar | Mar 21 06:25:03 egeon su[990]: (pam_unix) session opened for user nobody by (uid=0) |
| 02:11.18 | thingfish | of course, there are asexual types. |
| 02:11.18 | izzyb | sonyman, thanks |
| 02:11.26 | sonyman | np |
| 02:11.33 | izzyb | where can I find the existing config? |
| 02:11.41 | mentor | grandma: sorry, but you really haven't overlooked the RF kill switch if present? |
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| 02:11.53 | grandma | RF kill switch...? |
| 02:11.57 | stew | Azar: that's root logging in as nobody, not the other way around |
| 02:12.04 | sonyman | /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 or /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 02:12.11 | Azar | :) oh ah thanks :) |
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| 02:12.27 | mentor | grandma: A hardware switch that disconnects the antenna, or a software kill switch that disable the wireless card. |
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| 02:12.29 | izzyb | thanks sonyman I was just about there :) |
| 02:12.35 | sonyman | :) |
| 02:12.43 | grandma | i've not seen any such thing |
| 02:12.48 | avar | mentor: ? |
| 02:12.53 | Stevie | mentor: My Dell laptop has one of those. It's Fn+F2. I hit it by accident once and spent 3 days trying to figure out what the fsck was wrong |
| 02:13.03 | will_ | "/msg dpkg |
| 02:13.23 | grandma | i am aware of the concept, but not aware that there is any on this pcmcia card with but 2 lights on it |
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| 02:13.38 | grandma | or the router with nothing but a generic 'reset' switch |
| 02:13.44 | Stevie | mentor: It doesn't help that it operates separatly from the whole rest of the system -- so everything else indicated to me that things were (supposed to be) operating normally |
| 02:14.08 | mentor | avar: gender is a genetic thing based on your X/Y chromosomes, or mutation or lack thereof. (ie. if you have a penis or a uterus). Sex is the act and/or gender. gender is not the act. |
| 02:14.15 | mentor | Stevie: bah |
| 02:14.28 | mentor | grandma: point. |
| 02:14.39 | avar | mentor: says who? |
| 02:14.48 | abrotman | mentor: eeyore- informed me today that you can have three X chromsomes |
| 02:14.50 | mentor | avar: OED? |
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| 02:15.09 | grandma | the router has been reset 20+ times now |
| 02:15.13 | Stevie | abrotman |
| 02:15.14 | mentor | abrotman: yes. You can have lots of different genetic things. |
| 02:15.21 | grandma | but thanks for the suggestion |
| 02:15.23 | settd | does anyone use liferea? |
| 02:15.25 | avar | So if I get this right my gender is male because I'm born male but what does it take for my sex to change? |
| 02:15.30 | mentor | grandma: Have you got anything else to check the router with? |
| 02:15.30 | abrotman | Stevie |
| 02:15.30 | Stevie | abrotman: are those Xfree86 or Xorg chromosomes? |
| 02:15.35 | abrotman | mentor: it's a disease |
| 02:15.35 | grandma | mentor no |
| 02:15.37 | lock_pad | hello, what is the proper boot parameter so i can gain shell access... "forgot the root password" |
| 02:15.45 | mentor | abrotman: yes... |
| 02:15.52 | mentor | grandma: meh |
| 02:15.57 | Stevie | lock_pad: init=/bin/sh |
| 02:15.58 | stew | lock_pad: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
| 02:16.09 | lock_pad | thanks |
| 02:16.20 | izzyb | hmm, I seem to recall fighting with this before...I have a radeon 9200, but that isn't one of the options for server. Ati is, which I believe is what I selected when I first set this box up, but that didn't work so I had to manually reconfigure it to use the radeon driver |
| 02:16.37 | izzyb | is there a better choice I should make then ati for a radion 9200 card? |
| 02:16.40 | Stevie | mentor: My first order of business after rectifying things was to go into the BIOS and disable that little 'feature'. |
| 02:16.43 | dvs | izzyb: The ati driver will load the radeon driver |
| 02:16.46 | grandma | it would be easier to test with another router...configuring wireless is looking to be more and more of a pain with sid |
| 02:16.49 | stew | izzyb: just use ati, it will autodetect that it is radeon and switch |
| 02:16.56 | izzyb | thanks |
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| 02:17.14 | grandma | so i wouldn't want to try and figure out how to hodgepodge some other wireless device from scratch |
| 02:17.20 | avar | mentor: ? |
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| 02:18.18 | mentor | Oxford ENglish Dictionary |
| 02:18.51 | mentor | grandma: Try downgrading your Kernel? |
| 02:18.54 | warfunni | How do I limit bandwidth on eth1 on my debian router? |
| 02:19.09 | Kathmandude_ | can anyone please help me mount USB hard disk? The first partition gets mounted as /dev/flash1, and i can't mount any other partitions. |
| 02:19.10 | dvs | warfunni: trikle |
| 02:19.15 | dvs | warfunni: trickle even |
| 02:19.27 | warfunni | trickle? |
| 02:19.39 | warfunni | sorry for being a complete noob... :) |
| 02:19.39 | dvs | !info trickle sarge |
| 02:19.46 | dpkg | trickle: (user-space bandwidth shaper), section net, is optional. Version: 1.07-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 35 kB, Installed size: 156 kB |
| 02:19.52 | mentor | warfunni: Traffic Shaping... tc. Google for Class Based Queueing. Hierachial Token Bucket Filter etc. |
| 02:19.56 | mentor | meh |
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| 02:20.07 | mentor | userspace? |
| 02:20.28 | warfunni | ok, will try |
| 02:20.45 | Kathmandude_ | anyone, please? |
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| 02:21.12 | dvs | Kathmandude_: how come the device is called "/dev/flash1" |
| 02:21.27 | Stevie | more to the point |
| 02:21.32 | Kathmandude_ | that's what i can't understand. shouldn't it be called /dev/sda1? |
| 02:21.34 | Stevie | why do you have partitions |
| 02:21.46 | sonyman | Kathmandude_: /dev/sd* |
| 02:21.47 | Kathmandude_ | It's a 40 gb USB hard disk |
| 02:21.47 | Stevie | on a usb drive |
| 02:21.53 | mentor | Kathmandude_: You shouldn't be mounting usb sticks in /dev/ .... |
| 02:21.57 | liable | why not? i got a vfat and ext2 on my flash drive |
| 02:22.03 | sonyman | Kathmandude_: sda1 would be the first partition |
| 02:22.04 | Stevie | no reiser? |
| 02:22.09 | grandma | hmm, gonna take my laptop to a friend's house and see if i can connect there |
| 02:22.16 | Stevie | liable? |
| 02:22.26 | liable | no, no reiser.. |
| 02:22.29 | Kathmandude_ | yes, but there is no dev/sda in dev |
| 02:22.44 | liable | Kathmandude_: whats dmesg say about it? |
| 02:22.48 | Kathmandude_ | yes, i have udev |
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| 02:22.59 | Stevie | liable: no minix either? |
| 02:22.59 | Kathmandude_ | it says something about scsi and its channel |
| 02:23.03 | sonyman | quite a nose you have there dvs |
| 02:23.13 | liable | Stevie: no, just vfat and ext2.. |
| 02:23.29 | Stevie | but there are so many more to choose from |
| 02:23.32 | dvs | sonyman: It comes in handy, except for chili night |
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| 02:23.41 | sonyman | hehe |
| 02:23.49 | ehn_ | is anyone else seeing cpufreqd breakage with 2.6.16 kernel? |
| 02:24.17 | grandma | ok, before i go...i used to have only 3 network devices detected (under Sarge): eth0, wlan0, and ppp0. now i am showing: eth0, eth1, wifi0, wlan0, wlan0ap, ppp0 |
| 02:25.05 | Kathmandude_ | should i uninstall udev? |
| 02:25.06 | dvs | Kathmandude_: No, you have to change the rule that makes /dev/flash1 |
| 02:25.06 | grandma | there's only 3 network devices. modem, wired ethernet, and a wireless card |
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| 02:25.06 | Kathmandude_ | i see. where do i change that from? |
| 02:25.10 | dvs | Kathmandude_: it's probably in /etc/udev somewhere. |
| 02:25.11 | ehn_ | dvs: if it's got working power management for sata, i definitely want it asap. a laptop that you can't suspend to ram is no fun. |
| 02:25.15 | jaggy | I uninstalled vim, and compiled and installed it myself.. but aptitude still wants to keep marking vim as necessary each time I want to install any other package. |
| 02:25.19 | Kathmandude_ | i see. thanks. |
| 02:25.38 | jaggy | how do I tell it to assume vim is already on the system, because I put it in myself.. or otherwise fix this problem? |
| 02:25.45 | jaggy | or to not bother me about it :) |
| 02:26.04 | sonyman | jaggy: did you install it using dpkg or did you just use a tgz? |
| 02:26.07 | jaggy | I -'ed it (in aptitude) and it re-added it telling me it fixed some broken packages.. heh. |
| 02:26.18 | Kathmandude_ | which file do i need to change inside udev? udev.rules? |
| 02:26.27 | jaggy | sony, tgz.. compiled and installed the latest version (trying to get ruby support) |
| 02:26.41 | stew | Kathmandude_: what version of debian are you running? |
| 02:26.57 | Kathmandude_ | etch |
| 02:27.06 | jaggy | uninstalled vim, vim-common, vim-gnome with dpkg --force-depends -r |
| 02:27.19 | Kathmandude_ | BUS=="usb", KERNEL=="sda*",NAME="flash1" |
| 02:27.19 | sonyman | jaggy: you ought to make a dpkg out of it to keep your packages in the database |
| 02:27.25 | Kathmandude_ | should i remove tat line? |
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| 02:27.36 | jaggy | no clue how to do that with vim's distribution.. |
| 02:27.58 | stew | Kathmandude_: what version of udev do you have? that must be either a custom rule or an old rule |
| 02:28.01 | sid | Hello, I got a problem with sound |
| 02:28.08 | abrotman | running sid? |
| 02:28.10 | dvs | Kathmandude_: you need to change NAME to NAME{all_partitions}="flash1" |
| 02:28.19 | sonyman | jaggy: what do you mean? You download the fils from packages.debian.org...edit debian/rules as necessary, and type a couple commands |
| 02:28.20 | sid | no I am running Mepis |
| 02:28.24 | sonyman | files* |
| 02:28.34 | Ronin | sid: #mepis perhaps |
| 02:28.35 | gravity | sid: #mepis please |
| 02:28.42 | sid | ok :) |
| 02:29.01 | thingfish | sid: install Debian! |
| 02:29.03 | stew | Kathmandude_: if you are running an up to date udev /msg dpkg fresh udev config |
| 02:29.03 | jaggy | I'd prefer to just be able to tell debian's package management that I manually compiled this thing.. |
| 02:29.03 | dvs | Kathmandude_: Actually, what file is that in? |
| 02:29.17 | jaggy | sony, never done it.. taking a look |
| 02:29.20 | sid | ok :) |
| 02:29.27 | sonyman | jaggy: its easy as pie |
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| 02:29.47 | sonyman | jaggy: even easier than working with RPM and spec files |
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| 02:30.51 | Kathmandude_ | taht's in udev/udev.rules |
| 02:30.57 | Kathmandude_ | i mean /etc/udev/udev.rules |
| 02:31.07 | ice_1963 | useing meis is for users that don't know how to install Debian lol |
| 02:31.07 | Kathmandude_ | how do i retsrat udev after editing? |
| 02:31.11 | Stevie | you mean 'udev rules! devfs sucks!' ? |
| 02:31.12 | jaggy | when you say "get the files from packages.debian.." do you mean the stuff for making my own package (as if I were a developer), or do you mean getting the source pkg's to vim? |
| 02:31.32 | sonyman | jaggy: the source packages. The .dsc, the .tar.gz, and the .diff.gz |
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| 02:31.37 | dvs | Kathmandude_: /etc/init.d/udev restart |
| 02:31.45 | braniff | how do i make a script run last at boot time (in debian) ?? |
| 02:31.46 | gravity | ice_1963: There's nothing wrong with wanting to use mepis |
| 02:31.50 | gravity | Or any other distro |
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| 02:32.18 | gravity | braniff: Drop it in /etc/init.d. Then symlink it in /etc/rc2.d and give it an S number that sorts last |
| 02:32.22 | x`y`-xy | how decompres a file *.tar.bz2 |
| 02:32.24 | jaggy | sony, oh.. that's probably easy enough then.. |
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| 02:32.32 | sonyman | x`y`-xy: tar -xjf |
| 02:32.33 | gravity | x`y`-xy: tar -jxf |
| 02:32.40 | sonyman | gravity: hah! |
| 02:32.41 | sonyman | :P |
| 02:32.42 | Kathmandude_ | oooh!!! it worked!! it worked!!! :D |
| 02:32.44 | gravity | :-) |
| 02:32.47 | x`y`-xy | thx |
| 02:32.49 | jaggy | thought you were recommending to make my own vim packages :) |
| 02:32.51 | braniff | gravity, thanks |
| 02:32.55 | stew | Kathmandude_: /msg dpkg fresh udev config |
| 02:33.02 | gravity | braniff: No problem |
| 02:33.14 | dvs | Kathmandude_: I think udev.rules is a Debian file. You'll probably have to make up your own file or else the rule will be overwritten |
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| 02:33.39 | Kathmandude_ | ah.... now it says it cannot determine the filesystem type :( |
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| 02:33.46 | jaggy | the version there is old |
| 02:33.48 | sonyman | jaggy: no. if you are needing to customize the build options, you can do that in the 'rules' script. Then it will output a package in .deb format that apt/dpkg will recognize |
| 02:33.59 | jaggy | can't I just say "pretend vim is installed"?? |
| 02:34.01 | sonyman | jaggy: you aren't looking in the right repo then. |
| 02:34.01 | jaggy | bleh. |
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| 02:34.25 | sonyman | jaggy: No idea. I've never needed to do that before but I imagine you could. Someone else will need to chime in. |
| 02:34.37 | Stevie | meh |
| 02:34.52 | jaggy | thanks.. still trying to find vim 6.4 in the debian packages.. |
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| 02:35.24 | sonyman | jaggy: you can search the stable repo, the testing repo, the unstable repo, etc. Make sure you are looking in the right one |
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| 02:36.08 | mandric | hello, i'm thinking about using ultramonkey. does anyone have comments? |
| 02:36.24 | netcrusher88 | does the 'apache1.3' package support perl-cgi, or do i need to uninstall it an install apache-perl? |
| 02:36.30 | `ns` | woke up this morning to a crashed and rebooted machine showing Kernel panic - not syncing : VFS : unable to mount root fs on unknown block (3,1) , running Debian testing, did an update/upgrade yesterday, with no reboot.I can see the drives fine from Ubuntu live, lilo.conf looks ok, and I haven't touched it in a long time, so does fstab. What do I need to do to get this beast booting again ? Ideas ? |
| 02:36.54 | dvs | `ns`: #ubuntu |
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| 02:37.05 | mandric | ultramonkey = lvs + ha + other stuff |
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| 02:37.29 | sonyman | dvs: read more carefully |
| 02:37.33 | abrotman | dvs: i think you misunderstood |
| 02:37.37 | sonyman | dvs: "running debian testing" |
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| 02:37.42 | abrotman | `ns`: it's your kernel .. try an older |
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| 02:38.41 | sonyman | dvs: Don't punish yourself too harshly. At least you have a gender. Mentor can't even say that. |
| 02:39.01 | `ns` | tried both kernels, new and olde 2.6.12k7 and 2.6.15k7 |
| 02:39.02 | mentor | nononono |
| 02:39.09 | mentor | I have a gender, just no sex. |
| 02:39.10 | zood_ | In the newbiedoc article on compiling kernels it recommends to add yourself to the src group. How/why is this better than doing the kernel compiling as root? |
| 02:39.18 | jaggy | thanks sonyman, giving it a shot |
| 02:39.20 | sonyman | mentor: ah I see. Beg your pardon. |
| 02:39.21 | jaggy | why are you sonyman, btw? |
| 02:39.27 | pollywog | I am not sure what that means |
| 02:39.33 | dvs | mentor: you have sex with people with no gender? |
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| 02:39.45 | sonyman | jaggy: its been my nick for a while. Possibly since I am using debian on a sony ps2 :-) |
| 02:39.46 | abrotman | that'd be hard |
| 02:39.59 | mentor | Everyone has a gender. |
| 02:40.09 | jaggy | mentor, I heard the soul has no gender |
| 02:40.10 | mz_work | but not everyone has sex |
| 02:40.12 | jaggy | nor race |
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| 02:40.36 | stew | omg how are we possibly still talking about gender |
| 02:40.38 | jaggy | vim.org links to http://packages.debian.org/vim ... silly moi. |
| 02:40.42 | mentor | I'm not going to argue the difference between soul and body. That's really offtopic |
| 02:40.49 | sonyman | jaggy: silly indeed |
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| 02:40.57 | stew | good, we wouldn't want to get offtopic |
| 02:41.05 | sonyman | hah! |
| 02:41.09 | pollywog | zood I read that newbiedoc article but it did not work for me |
| 02:41.15 | jaggy | sony, but I never had a problem compiling my own packages.. just that aptitude keeps wanting to 'fix' it for me :) |
| 02:41.21 | zood_ | pollywog, uh oh.... |
| 02:41.25 | pollywog | I mean I had to compile as root |
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| 02:41.34 | zood_ | Ah okay |
| 02:41.34 | pollywog | everything else was good |
| 02:41.41 | zood_ | phew! |
| 02:41.53 | LSorensen | pollywog: fakeroot takes care of most compile issues for regular users |
| 02:42.03 | sonyman | jaggy: The end result is the same. However, building a .deb is the proper way for debian and will keep dpkg 'in the know' |
| 02:42.16 | pollywog | I use fakeroot but in my home dir |
| 02:42.41 | pollywog | but I could not compile in /usr/src just by adding myself to the src group |
| 02:42.49 | jaggy | nod.. now I'm having a tough time finding the source package :).. sigh. |
| 02:42.55 | pollywog | maybe I did something wrong |
| 02:42.56 | sonyman | pollywog: I've only had to compile one package as root in debian |
| 02:43.05 | LSorensen | pollywog: who owns /usr/src? who owns the source code you wanted to compile? |
| 02:43.16 | sonyman | jaggy: need help? or just a vocal person :D |
| 02:43.28 | LSorensen | pollywog: if the files and dirs belong to root, then yes a rugluar user can't write there |
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| 02:43.36 | pollywog | LSorensen: I will have to check those things next time, I thought root.src owned them |
| 02:43.45 | LSorensen | pollywog: no reason you should have to copile in /usr/src anyhow |
| 02:43.48 | jaggy | got it! |
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| 02:43.54 | sonyman | :) |
| 02:44.00 | LSorensen | pollywog: could just copy everything to your home dir and compile there |
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| 02:44.03 | x`y`-xy | i tryed to compile a new kernel ...and i recive these error: |
| 02:44.05 | x`y`-xy | make[2]: *** [scripts/kconfig/lxdialog/checklist.o] Erreur 1 |
| 02:44.05 | x`y`-xy | make[1]: *** [menuconfig] Erreur 2 |
| 02:44.05 | x`y`-xy | make: *** [menuconfig] Erreur 2 |
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| 02:44.10 | gravity | ugh |
| 02:44.12 | pollywog | I use fakeroot quite a bit for compiling packages in ~/src |
| 02:44.13 | jaggy | no wait.. didn't find it... but hell, I just found the pre-compiled vim-ruby package.. I'll just get that. damn. Let's see what happens on my next click. :) |
| 02:44.18 | Cowman | what would the default location for my audio output device be on etch? /dev/dsp doesn't seem to be there |
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| 02:44.25 | LSorensen | x`y`-xy: great, those messages mean something earlier had a "real" error |
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| 02:44.36 | Azar | dondelecaro, are you around? |
| 02:44.51 | stew | x`y`-xy: i would guess: apt-get install libncurses5-dev |
| 02:44.51 | x`y`-xy | ok ...how can fix it |
| 02:45.00 | stew | x`y`-xy: please don't paste in here, use a pastebin |
| 02:45.08 | x`y`-xy | ok |
| 02:45.10 | LSorensen | Cowman: /dev/adsp maybe? |
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| 02:45.23 | Cowman | nope |
| 02:45.31 | Cowman | hold on.. idea |
| 02:45.32 | LSorensen | Cowman: is a sound driver even loaded? |
| 02:45.41 | jaggy | okay.. now I do need help.. hopefully the last thing.. How do I go about replacing a package with a different package with conflicting files: |
| 02:45.43 | jaggy | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:45.54 | LSorensen | jaggy: uninstall the first one, then install the other one |
| 02:45.56 | Cowman | yeah I have sound from some apps, I'm gonna run mplayer and see if it lists the output device in it's screen output |
| 02:46.09 | LSorensen | jaggy: oh looks like you have to upgrade vim-common to a newer version first |
| 02:46.23 | sonyman | yup |
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| 02:46.45 | Cowman | nope |
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| 02:46.55 | Cowman | but I am hearing sound so obviously the driver is there |
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| 02:47.05 | sonyman | jaggy: uninstall the package you installed from the tgz, then type apt-get install vim-ruby |
| 02:47.06 | jaggy | okay.. getting -common 6.4 too |
| 02:47.17 | jaggy | sony, excellent idea! |
| 02:47.24 | sonyman | :P |
| 02:47.32 | LSorensen | jaggy: if you are installing things by dpkg -i with manual downloading, well then it is your job to ensure all the dependancies are fulfilled too |
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| 02:47.59 | pollywog | Cowman do you need /dev/dsp? |
| 02:48.23 | Cowman | pretty much I guess, but it's not there. doesn't alsa use a different output device though? |
| 02:48.23 | jaggy | vim-ruby is in an unstable or testing location I think, btw. |
| 02:48.39 | LSorensen | Cowman: alsa uses /dev/adsp and such. snd-oss-pcm emulates /dev/pcm though |
| 02:48.40 | pollywog | it uses the null device I believe |
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| 02:48.44 | jaggy | weird.. I'm very unfamiliar with this stuff... |
| 02:48.58 | jaggy | by the way, I'm trying to get ruby support to try a coding tool "snippetMagic" |
| 02:49.03 | Cowman | ok I don't have a /dev/adsp OR a /dev/pcm but my sound works. wtf |
| 02:49.04 | pollywog | if you need /dev/dsp load the module snd_pcm_oss |
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| 02:49.11 | jaggy | someone recommended it.. and I've been getting more tired of programming (C) grungework over the years... |
| 02:49.16 | LSorensen | Cowman: do you run udev or devfs or smoething else weird? |
| 02:49.46 | pollywog | my system (etch) was also missing /dev/dsp and I needed it for VMware |
| 02:49.47 | LSorensen | Cowman: if not, did you ever run /usr/share/alsa-base/snddevices? |
| 02:49.53 | mike-_- | how can i tell hda3 to be hda2 ( again ) |
| 02:50.03 | dvs | jaggy: Yeah, C take too much work to get going. |
| 02:50.09 | LSorensen | mike-_-: you would have to change the partition table |
| 02:50.18 | mike-_- | indeed |
| 02:50.35 | Cowman | not unless one of the third-party things I apted installed it |
| 02:50.37 | LSorensen | mike-_-: and move the entry in slot 3 to slot 2. generally requires deleting the partition and creating it again |
| 02:50.54 | jaggy | dvs, well.. I'm very familiar with it.. just tired of teeny little things now.. I've been coding C for .. 16 years |
| 02:50.57 | Cowman | ok I ran that let's see what happened |
| 02:50.59 | Stevie | wtf |
| 02:50.59 | LSorensen | Cowman: what driver does lsmod|grep snd say you are running? |
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| 02:51.15 | mike-_- | hum it did change from 2 to 3 when installing a bsd like os |
| 02:51.15 | Azar | LSorensen I was reading about the new etch beta2, lots of things have changed there, I understand it uses udev ... some people plain go for etch beta2 installation |
| 02:51.19 | jaggy | okay.. I've gotta go.. wife needs me |
| 02:51.31 | pollywog | get wife a computer |
| 02:51.33 | sonyman | jaggy: good luck |
| 02:51.36 | pollywog | ;) |
| 02:51.41 | BadMuthaPhucka | pollywog, hehe... |
| 02:51.43 | jaggy | thanks for the help... It's very important to me to try and get things done fast.. and searching and searching online doesn't always replace a friend offering their quick wisdom |
| 02:51.47 | LSorensen | mike-_-: perhaps bsd's partition toold does stupid things to existing entries (like move them) |
| 02:51.57 | Cowman | it's fixed |
| 02:51.58 | jaggy | you know.. sometimes all the little things get in the way of the larger task at hand |
| 02:52.01 | mike-_- | jrpp' |
| 02:52.01 | jaggy | irritating |
| 02:52.06 | jaggy | ttyl.. thanks again.. |
| 02:52.08 | sonyman | jaggy: I'll gladly offer the little wisdom I have |
| 02:52.12 | Cowman | running snddevices fixed it :) thanks |
| 02:52.14 | sonyman | jaggy: see ya |
| 02:52.18 | LSorensen | Cowman: yay |
| 02:52.23 | jaggy | lol sony.. |
| 02:52.25 | Cowman | I guess the base install didn't do that |
| 02:52.43 | LSorensen | Cowman: installing alsa-base is supposed to do it, but I have seen it fail to do that sometimes |
| 02:52.43 | jaggy | inside us is an inherent wisdom.. more profound than acquired information |
| 02:52.50 | jaggy | ttyl :) |
| 02:52.51 | Cowman | cause I never configured the sound, it started to work out of the box |
| 02:52.53 | LSorensen | Cowman: of course once you run udev it is no longer necesary |
| 02:53.02 | Cowman | I didn't have alsa-base :P I had to apt that |
| 02:53.19 | dvs | Cowman: you need alsa-utils too |
| 02:53.22 | LSorensen | Cowman: how about alsa-utils (for alsamixer and such)? |
| 02:53.23 | Cowman | got it |
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| 02:53.42 | Cowman | this box's purpose in life is to be a mythtv box |
| 02:53.53 | Cowman | and that currently works, so I'm happy |
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| 02:54.13 | pollywog | is mythtv a subscription service? |
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| 02:54.18 | Cowman | free |
| 02:54.21 | mo1991 | what are some good firewalls for debain |
| 02:54.21 | pollywog | oic |
| 02:54.25 | dvs | pollywog: it's a PVR basically |
| 02:54.43 | Cowman | the program guide is third party, but there's a service you can go to that is free if you fill out a survey every couple months |
| 02:54.48 | LSorensen | MoLoot: I like shorewall |
| 02:54.49 | mo1991 | looking for something that can be configured via web interface and can show statistics, live activity, etc |
| 02:54.56 | LSorensen | er mo1991 |
| 02:55.05 | LSorensen | mo1991: not going to happen |
| 02:55.14 | Stevie | oh you're freaking kidding |
| 02:55.17 | LSorensen | mo1991: ip tables doesn't do that |
| 02:55.40 | mo1991 | there is some new enterprise called trustix or something that is supposed to be free |
| 02:55.44 | LSorensen | mo1991: unless you add a lot of logging and counters. Never seen anyone bother to set all that up, certainly not with a crappy web interface |
| 02:55.48 | mo1991 | anyone useed that |
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| 02:57.38 | mo1991 | trying to find some type of firewall that does things like checkpoint firewall |
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| 02:57.42 | izzyb | well, I have things working now, but not quite the way I expected |
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| 02:58.13 | izzyb | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 doesn't seem to be modifying the config file I expected |
| 02:58.18 | LSorensen | mo1991: trustix uses firehol, which is probably a bit easier than shorewall |
| 02:58.27 | LSorensen | mo1991: firehol is also in debian I believe |
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| 02:58.59 | izzyb | that file still has my old config for my crt, but rerunning the deb-reconfigure has the values I changed as the defaults |
| 02:59.04 | pollywog | LSorensen: is that a firewall or a front-end for iptables? |
| 02:59.34 | Acid`X_ | deadcat, you there? o; |
| 02:59.44 | LSorensen | pollywog: front end to iptables of course |
| 02:59.52 | izzyb | I tried to limit the refresh rate to 56-75, but xwindows starts with a refresh rate of 85 which is more then the lcd can handle |
| 03:00.00 | pollywog | k, thought so, I think I tried it once |
| 03:00.06 | LSorensen | izzyb: which video chip/driver? |
| 03:00.17 | izzyb | radion 9200 |
| 03:00.24 | pollywog | I liked one called guardog |
| 03:00.26 | LSorensen | izzyb: hmm, no idea |
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| 03:00.36 | bthornton | Is there anything wrong with/Is it a bad idea to change the gid of a group name by manually editing /etc/group ? All I need to change is the gid number--not the name. |
| 03:00.46 | LSorensen | pollywog: well shorewall works well for me. I find it nicely organized and easy to manage |
| 03:01.02 | pollywog | oic I will try that |
| 03:01.05 | LSorensen | bthornton: and who is going to update all the affected files in the filesystem? |
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| 03:01.22 | bthornton | LSorensen: doh! good call... |
| 03:01.23 | izzyb | I managed to limit the refresh rate using the kde resize and rotate tray tool, which has the desired effect |
| 03:01.27 | bthornton | I knew there was a reason I had to ask :p |
| 03:01.31 | LSorensen | pollywog: The webmin interface someone made for it sucks (like webmin does in general) but the config files make pretty good sense |
| 03:01.41 | izzyb | but I'm puzzled as to why the dpkg reconfigure didn't work as expected |
| 03:01.49 | pollywog | LSorensen: oic |
| 03:01.51 | LSorensen | izzyb: they didn't apply? |
| 03:02.04 | pollywog | I never found much advantage to webmin |
| 03:02.05 | abrotman | LSorensen: a handy dandy pile of find ? :) |
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| 03:02.10 | izzyb | doesn't seem to have. |
| 03:02.14 | LSorensen | abrotman: pretty much :) |
| 03:02.21 | pollywog | it seemed as though it is easier to edit config files |
| 03:02.29 | abrotman | bthornton: it is possible .. |
| 03:02.34 | LSorensen | izzyb: run dexconf. dpkg-reconfigure won't touch the X config if you manually edited it. dexconf can overwrite it with the debconf answers |
| 03:02.46 | nrdb | I am trying to do a count on how many time a shell goes though a for statement is there any way to do this? |
| 03:02.50 | izzyb | I can't figure out what it did really. it didn't change the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file |
| 03:03.05 | pollywog | izzy are you using xorg? |
| 03:03.06 | izzyb | oh! that explains it |
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| 03:03.14 | LSorensen | nrdb: COUNTER=$((COUNTER+1)) ? |
| 03:03.31 | izzyb | I think I had to manually edit the config when I first set this system up on the CRT monitor |
| 03:03.38 | izzyb | didn't detect the video card correctly |
| 03:03.55 | izzyb | but how is it that dpkg-reconfigure know what values I'd entered the last time I ran it |
| 03:03.58 | nrdb | LSorensen: ie $y=(($y+1)) |
| 03:04.03 | LSorensen | izzyb: md5sum stored |
| 03:04.10 | izzyb | I put in a new description for the LCD etc, and it all stayed there |
| 03:04.18 | LSorensen | nrdb: except in shell you don't use $ on the left side |
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| 03:04.20 | zood_ | What's the debian way to figure out which package will give me the command isdnctrl? |
| 03:04.32 | nrdb | LSorensen: thanks |
| 03:04.32 | izzyb | oh!? that would explain why I couldn't find where it was hiding using grep -R on /etc |
| 03:04.36 | LSorensen | zood_: apt-file update; apt-file search isdnctrl |
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| 03:05.04 | zood_ | tnx |
| 03:05.08 | LSorensen | izzyb: why store a file when you can store 128bits |
| 03:05.27 | izzyb | pollywog, I don't think so |
| 03:05.38 | pollywog | k |
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| 03:05.53 | izzyb | I seem to have xfree86 files all over |
| 03:06.08 | nrdb | LSorensen: I am getting the error "reduce.sh: line 15: ` y=(($y+1))'" |
| 03:06.27 | pollywog | izzy: doesn't sarge install xorg by default? |
| 03:06.40 | LSorensen | nrdb: oh, that might actually be a bash feature, not sh |
| 03:06.43 | LSorensen | pollywog: no |
| 03:06.49 | pollywog | LSorensen: k |
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| 03:06.53 | LSorensen | pollywog: sarge is xfree86 4.3, etch will have x.org |
| 03:06.55 | izzyb | hmm, if it does, then I'm running xorg, cause I just did a default desktop install from the netinstall cd |
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| 03:07.09 | gravity | etch already has xorg |
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| 03:07.18 | pollywog | oh that's right, I was thinking of Xandros |
| 03:07.22 | abrotman | gravity: where's my 7.0! |
| 03:07.26 | LSorensen | nrdb: can fake it with: counter=`echo $counter+1 | bc` |
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| 03:07.37 | pollywog | etch has xorg but not sarge, I remember now |
| 03:07.40 | gravity | abrotman: I'm building the last pieces on my TODO list. Then I need to write out my plan for uploading. |
| 03:07.40 | nrdb | LSorensen: I am using "GNU bash, version 3.00.16(1)-release (i486-pc-linux-gnu)" |
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| 03:07.53 | gravity | abrotman: Once today's security fix propagates to testing, I'll upload the whole thing to unstable |
| 03:07.59 | gravity | So... almost there |
| 03:08.00 | abrotman | gravity: put * ? :) |
| 03:08.03 | LSorensen | nrdb: but if you have #!/bin/sh it turns off the bash features, if you use #!/bin/bash you can use all the bash features |
| 03:08.15 | gravity | hehe |
| 03:08.24 | nrdb | LSorensen: didn't know that |
| 03:08.29 | gravity | abrotman: My plan is basically what I just told you, with a few minor details appended |
| 03:08.29 | pollywog | If I install CPAN modules, do I have to be root to do it? |
| 03:08.32 | LSorensen | nrdb: have to set counter to 0 or 1 or something first though |
| 03:08.40 | pollywog | I seem to recall not being root when I did that |
| 03:08.43 | LSorensen | pollywog: use dh-make-perl to do it |
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| 03:08.54 | LSorensen | pollywog: then dpkg -i the .deb as root when it is made. |
| 03:08.56 | izzyb | well, got to run. Thanks everyone for your help. I have the desired config, even if I didn't get to it quite the way I expected :) |
| 03:08.58 | nrdb | LSorensen: yes I am |
| 03:09.02 | pollywog | oic |
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| 03:09.29 | LSorensen | pollywog: like: dh-make-perl --build --cpan Device::Modem -> libdevice-modem-perl....deb |
| 03:09.44 | pollywog | LSorensen: ty |
| 03:09.50 | LSorensen | pollywog: excelent tool |
| 03:09.53 | pollywog | I did not know about that one |
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| 03:10.20 | pollywog | I used the perl command |
| 03:10.47 | LSorensen | pollywog: using the debian one means you can install it as a deb and clean up later with dpkg as you would with anything else |
| 03:10.55 | pollywog | :) |
| 03:11.08 | LSorensen | pollywog: also easier to give the deb to other people |
| 03:11.08 | pollywog | I need to make a note of it for when I need it |
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| 03:12.39 | nrdb | LSorensen: when I use "y=(($y+1))" I am getting the error message "../reduce.sh: line 15: syntax error near unexpected token `('" when I use "y=($y+1)" i get "0+1" then "0+1+1" etc. |
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| 03:13.49 | pollywog | does mplayer play avi files? I can't find avifile player for etch |
| 03:13.53 | LSorensen | nrdb: it should be $((n+1)) I think |
| 03:13.59 | pollywog | I have it on a sarge system |
| 03:14.09 | LSorensen | pollywog: mplayer plays everything |
| 03:14.18 | LSorensen | pollywog: assuming you have the required codecs for the file |
| 03:14.18 | pollywog | k thanks |
| 03:14.28 | pollywog | I only have w32codecs |
| 03:14.35 | LSorensen | pollywog: that covers most things |
| 03:14.49 | nrdb | LSorensen: that is working :) |
| 03:15.02 | jbreher | Help? Just did a debian netinstall, 1st boot gets stuck at a line that just says GRUB |
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| 03:16.35 | dbe | which is the most free GUI webbrowser (don't tell me that Mozilla Firefox is)? |
| 03:16.46 | pollywog | most free? |
| 03:16.50 | darkfires | Does anybody know why I can't use ctrl-alt-f1-12 anymore from X windows, it ignores it? |
| 03:17.11 | mentor | dbe: define 'most' and 'free'... |
| 03:17.13 | LSorensen | darkfires: left control+left alt? |
| 03:17.17 | darkfires | Also i've updated gnome packages, and now when I login....gnome gets put inside twm ? |
| 03:17.18 | darkfires | LSorensen yes |
| 03:17.34 | mentor | darkfires: You've disabled server keys> |
| 03:17.35 | pollywog | I understand the most part just not most free |
| 03:17.37 | LSorensen | darK; hmm, I saw someone else comapling about gnome and that recently. I think it went away after a reboot they said |
| 03:17.54 | pollywog | it's like being a little bit free |
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| 03:18.04 | dbe | mentor, free as in 0 non-free binaries |
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| 03:18.06 | darkfires | mentor how do i turn them back on |
| 03:18.09 | Celeste | hi |
| 03:18.12 | Stevie | Meh! 2.6.16's kconfig has a bug |
| 03:18.18 | darkfires | LSorensen rebooting doesn't fix it for me unfortunately |
| 03:18.19 | Celeste | hi |
| 03:18.31 | netcrusher88 | how do i get apache mod_cgi support? |
| 03:18.33 | LSorensen | darkfires: well perhaps mentor knows how to fix it |
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| 03:18.41 | LSorensen | darkfires: Never happened to me. |
| 03:18.46 | darkfires | LSorensen: lucky you :) |
| 03:18.47 | mentor | dbe: Uhmmm...well...every browser in Debian's main section? |
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| 03:19.15 | mentor | darkfires: I think there's a server option in xorg.conf/XF86Config and/or GNOME might be doing something odd. |
| 03:19.18 | Celeste | Please tell me what I need to write into my (empty) /etc/apt/sources.list (Debian Sarge 3.1 r1) i386 system |
| 03:19.27 | LSorensen | dbe: elinks, w3m, mozilla, firefox, konqueror, etc |
| 03:19.36 | netcrusher88 | Celeste: try apt-setup |
| 03:19.38 | mentor | darkfires: You haven't remapped lalt/ctrl/fn keys? |
| 03:19.44 | LSorensen | Celeste: man sources.list sound have an idea |
| 03:19.49 | pollywog | I use konqueror and mozilla and opera because no single browser stands out |
| 03:19.58 | Celeste | okay |
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| 03:20.16 | LSorensen | pollywog: I find opera + firefox + elinks covers what I need. |
| 03:20.25 | pollywog | elinks? |
| 03:20.26 | netcrusher88 | does anyone know how to get mod_cgi support working in apache? |
| 03:20.30 | abrotman | where'd the toronto tard go ? |
| 03:20.31 | pollywog | never heard of that one |
| 03:20.34 | LSorensen | pollywog: great text browser |
| 03:20.39 | abrotman | netcrusher88: did you install it? |
| 03:20.39 | pollywog | oic |
| 03:20.43 | abrotman | netcrusher88: apache 1 or 2 ? |
| 03:20.56 | LSorensen | pollywog: great on ssh and such |
| 03:21.00 | netcrusher88 | apache 1.3 |
| 03:21.03 | pollywog | oic |
| 03:21.22 | abrotman | netcrusher88: is the Load_Module line unocmmented? |
| 03:21.27 | netcrusher88 | nvm, i just found it in my modules.conf and uncommented the AddHandler line in httpd.conf, but it's not working |
| 03:21.28 | netcrusher88 | yes |
| 03:21.52 | x`y`-xy | where i can paste sommenting .... like an error :d pls |
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| 03:22.59 | x`y`-xy | where i can paste sommenting .... like an error :d pls |
| 03:23.07 | gravity | x`y`-xy: /topic |
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| 03:24.12 | netcrusher88 | x`y`-xy: pastebin.com |
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| 03:24.31 | darkfires | mentor do you have any idea what the option for server keys is called ? |
| 03:25.00 | x`y`-xy | i tryed to compile a new kernel ...and i recive this error |
| 03:25.08 | abrotman | darkfires: server keys? |
| 03:25.22 | darkfires | I can't ctrl-alt-f1-12 to a real console anymore |
| 03:25.23 | x`y`-xy | i pasted in #lood |
| 03:25.27 | darkfires | i have to ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 03:25.30 | x`y`-xy | i pasted in #flood |
| 03:25.39 | abrotman | you have to tell use *before* you paste |
| 03:26.13 | x`y`-xy | ok |
| 03:26.18 | x`y`-xy | i will paste again |
| 03:26.22 | x`y`-xy | now |
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| 03:28.01 | jmp_me | function(r,3) outputs=rrr. looking for function |
| 03:28.11 | x`y`-xy | you can help me |
| 03:28.19 | mentor | jmp_me: It's a loop. |
| 03:28.25 | jmp_me | yes |
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| 03:28.44 | DGauge | I thought debian came with KDevelop? |
| 03:28.46 | jmp_me | i could do it in a for, but that seems too much |
| 03:29.01 | mentor | jmp_me: Er...well, how is the function going to do it? |
| 03:29.19 | mentor | jmp_me: Well, possibly you could use memset... |
| 03:29.26 | jmp_me | hm. i'll write my own function for it |
| 03:29.38 | darkfires | mentor: would you happen to know why gnome starts inside twm by chance? |
| 03:29.42 | x`y`-xy | i pasted a error in #flood ...you can help me pls ..... |
| 03:29.53 | mentor | darkfires: er? How do you start twm? |
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| 03:30.13 | darkfires | mentor: i login to a gnome session from gdm, and everything...even the desktop goes inside stupid twm windows |
| 03:30.16 | gravity | darkfires: Are you running the xorg from experimental? |
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| 03:30.19 | cat | mentor: startx twm |
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| 03:30.29 | cat | or startx /usr/bin/twm |
| 03:30.30 | mentor | cat: heh |
| 03:30.32 | darkfires | gravity no, from unstable |
| 03:30.34 | gravity | hrm |
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| 03:30.36 | cat | (: |
| 03:30.44 | mentor | cat: No, I meant...how does /he/ sart it. |
| 03:30.46 | gravity | That shouldn't happen |
| 03:30.48 | jmp_me | x`y`-xy: read thru the code once again. your eyes will find the error |
| 03:30.51 | cat | oh ok my bad (: |
| 03:30.58 | jmp_me | or.. hmm. your brain actually |
| 03:31.00 | ftp3 | I need a util to convert my (purchased) dvd to avi so I can watch it without having to listen to my LOUD dvd drive.. anyone know any software for debian? |
| 03:31.01 | mentor | cat: np. Thanks for the help |
| 03:31.16 | mentor | darkfires: BEcause you have set the GNOME window manager to twm> |
| 03:31.18 | cat | well back to study |
| 03:31.45 | darkfires | mentor: Not I... i updated gnome packages and it went like that |
| 03:32.20 | x`y`-xy | ok thx |
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| 03:32.22 | mentor | darkfires: Check in your session manager. Maybe the default window manager is now twm? x-display-manager alternative? |
| 03:32.39 | x`y`-xy | the partition is too small |
| 03:32.40 | x`y`-xy | ? |
| 03:32.49 | mentor | ftp3: Shirley you can just copy the files to the hard drive? |
| 03:33.02 | Stevie | Shirley you can't be serious |
| 03:33.03 | mentor | feh |
| 03:33.05 | darkfires | mentor: bingo |
| 03:33.27 | mentor | odd that |
| 03:33.33 | mentor | feh |
| 03:33.36 | mentor | Windows sucks |
| 03:33.42 | ftp3 | mentor, yeah, but it makes a bunch of .vob files, etc.. it would be nicer to just have an avi file. if there is not a utility to convert it, i will just watch the vobs |
| 03:33.59 | zood_ | What's the advantage to building things into the kernel as opposed to modularizing? |
| 03:34.03 | jmp_me | x`y`-xy: haha. check how much space available on the partion |
| 03:34.09 | mentor | ftp3: Well, there are various things. apt-cache search |
| 03:34.18 | Kyral | you can get a smaller kernel..no modules to load... |
| 03:34.26 | Kyral | its a matter of choice really... |
| 03:34.28 | mentor | zood_: Minor speed improvements, not bootstrapping problems |
| 03:34.38 | Noboru | i couldn't install freebsd in vmware but debian had no problem,weird |
| 03:34.41 | darkfires | what should x-window-manager be set to so that it works in gnome ? metacity ? |
| 03:34.45 | mentor | zood_: ie. None really. unless you have an embedded system or something |
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| 03:34.56 | mentor | Noboru: I wouldn't say so :P |
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| 03:35.09 | mentor | Noboru: Sure you're not just running into NetBSDs lack or wrong docs? |
| 03:35.13 | zood_ | hmm tnx |
| 03:35.16 | mentor | darkfires: metacity is standard. |
| 03:35.25 | Noboru | mentor, pardon ? |
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| 03:35.45 | mentor | zood_: Well, in a really secure environment you might like to disable modules as well. |
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| 03:36.02 | zood_ | Ah okay, there's a good reason |
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| 03:36.31 | zood_ | I've been wearing my tinfoil hat more and more lately... |
| 03:37.06 | x`y`-xy | what is the diference between zImage and bzImage ? |
| 03:37.19 | mentor | Noboru: I wouldn't say it's weird. But then I'm a Debian fanboy. From people who've tried ot install NetBSD they have found that the install process is poorly or wrongly documented. |
| 03:37.20 | abrotman | bzip and gzip ? |
| 03:37.28 | dbindner | I don't think so. |
| 03:37.40 | dbindner | I think it has to do with how the kernel is loaded into memory. |
| 03:37.53 | dbindner | bzimage = big zimage |
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| 03:38.02 | mentor | zood_: Well, yes. It would be better to secure all your userspace binaries first. Because even a non kernel rootkit is bad |
| 03:38.03 | Noboru | mentor, netbsd ? i was trying fbsd6.0 in vmware, it could only install base parts,others parts cannot be installed, many errors |
| 03:38.09 | abrotman | dbindner: uhm .. |
| 03:38.11 | mentor | Different compression |
| 03:38.28 | mentor | Noboru: Sorry. BSD blindness. |
| 03:38.31 | x`y`-xy | ok |
| 03:38.32 | x`y`-xy | thx |
| 03:38.36 | Noboru | mentor, besides,i have no idea what do i do after i get to the login prompt in bsd,i used to use debian |
| 03:38.56 | mentor | dbindner: really? |
| 03:38.59 | Noboru | mentor, now my debian has network to the rest of world in vmware :) |
| 03:39.03 | abrotman | no |
| 03:39.09 | abrotman | they are different compressions |
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| 03:39.58 | mentor | darkfires: Does Killing the xserver with C-A-BS work? |
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| 03:40.10 | darkfires | mentor: yep |
| 03:41.19 | dbindner | I'm right. According to /usr/src/linux/Documentation/kbuild/commands.txt |
| 03:41.29 | dbindner | Both use gzip compression. |
| 03:41.54 | mentor | darkfires: feh. finally. DontVTSwitch |
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| 03:44.14 | mentor | From what I'm seeing different compression is used |
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| 03:44.35 | darkfires | mentor: thanks |
| 03:44.51 | abrotman | i said that! |
| 03:44.55 | mentor | Althought the Linux image is layed out differently. The decompressor is high loaded fr'instance. bootsect.S is processed with -D_BIG_KERNEL_ |
| 03:44.58 | abrotman | noone ever believes me |
| 03:44.59 | dbindner | Maybe something changed in 2.6, but the 2.4 documentation specifically says that gzip is used in both cases. The difference is in memory layout and loading algorithm. |
| 03:45.12 | mentor | abrotman: I was merely backing you up with evidence! |
| 03:45.24 | abrotman | no evidence needed .. if i say so .. is right! |
| 03:45.25 | abrotman | :) |
| 03:45.58 | abrotman | that said . i haven't built a kernel .. since like 2.4.16 or so .. |
| 03:46.04 | mentor | abrotman: no. because no one ever believes you |
| 03:46.10 | mentor | darkfires: WAs that it? |
| 03:46.11 | abrotman | yay .. no more stupid HP machine! |
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| 03:46.58 | jknife | when will etch upgrade to Gnome 2.14? |
| 03:47.10 | abrotman | when it gets there .. it's only partly in unstable now |
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| 03:47.16 | Celeste | hi |
| 03:47.26 | Celeste | what is the best Java Runtime Environment to install? |
| 03:47.38 | Celeste | j2re1.4 made many Applets work bad |
| 03:47.42 | darkfires | mentor: nope... still doesn't work, alt-tab doesn't work anymore either |
| 03:47.55 | Stevie | craplets? |
| 03:48.04 | mentor | darkfires: Was that option enabled? |
| 03:48.06 | abrotman | the applets should request a certain java level to work |
| 03:48.21 | darkfires | mentor: no, and i disabled it just for measure too |
| 03:48.33 | mentor | Celeste: IT's JAva. </luddite> |
| 03:48.38 | mentor | heh |
| 03:48.46 | mentor | darkfires: Load up a terminal and run xev |
| 03:48.55 | unstable | Celeste: The small one |
| 03:49.01 | mentor | dark_light: hit alt/ctrl/fn keys and check that the 'rgiht' symbols appear? |
| 03:49.06 | Celeste | mentor? |
| 03:49.07 | mentor | darkfires: |
| 03:49.09 | Celeste | unstable? |
| 03:49.11 | mentor | Fecking tab complete |
| 03:49.11 | unstable | 63M sun-j2sdk1.5_1.5.0+update06_i386.deb |
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| 03:49.36 | mentor | Celeste: I'm being rude about Java |
| 03:49.51 | Celeste | unstable, where did you find this deb file? |
| 03:49.56 | Celeste | unstable, its not in my apt-cache |
| 03:50.07 | apacker | I have xine up and running. I just downloaded a new file in which the sound is AC3 encoded. Which package or codec do I need, or what xine config would I need to change, in order to hear this file? |
| 03:50.09 | unstable | Celeste: I made it. |
| 03:50.11 | mentor | http://ertw.com/blog/2004/04/17/make-bzimage-vs-make-zimage/ |
| 03:50.14 | darkfires | mentor: nothing appears |
| 03:50.16 | mentor | Guess that ends that discussion. |
| 03:50.21 | mentor | darkfires: |
| 03:50.23 | Celeste | unstable, and where can it be found? |
| 03:50.30 | mentor | darkfires: Make sure you have the window selected? |
| 03:50.32 | apacker | other info: using alsa. would be willing to switch movie players if will help with config (for example, i have gmplayer up and running but it doesnt like my audio device...) |
| 03:50.37 | dondelelcaro | Azar: ? |
| 03:50.40 | unstable | Celeste: Download from java.sun.com and make your own with java-package |
| 03:50.44 | unstable | !tell Celeste about java-package |
| 03:50.53 | mentor | !blackdown |
| 03:50.58 | mentor | meh |
| 03:51.02 | darkfires | mentor: yep, nada... |
| 03:51.05 | abrotman | mentor: damn you |
| 03:51.08 | darkfires | mentor: lots of stdout though |
| 03:51.11 | mentor | !listkeys blackdown |
| 03:51.21 | jknife | dpkg left :( |
| 03:51.24 | mentor | darkfires: nononono. Look in the stdout. |
| 03:51.27 | apacker | no one has any xine + ac3 advice, or is someone perhaps formulating a response? |
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| 03:51.33 | darkfires | oh, sorry.. |
| 03:51.34 | mentor | !beer dondelelcaro |
| 03:51.35 | abrotman | don't use blackdown |
| 03:51.39 | mentor | really? |
| 03:52.03 | abrotman | afaik .. it is still 1.4.1 .. and has security issues .. but i'm not really a java person .. so maybe i lie |
| 03:52.30 | mentor | Ah I see. |
| 03:52.39 | apacker | does anyone understand the mplayer audio error just pasted to flood? |
| 03:52.49 | mentor | I was expecting JAva to be pants, so that's not a problem here :P |
| 03:52.50 | abrotman | mentor: it's also completely unmaintained last i knew |
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| 03:53.26 | darkfires | mentor: http://pastebin.com/615569 |
| 03:53.34 | apacker | p.s. also tried ffmpeg/ffplay, but it cannot seem to skip through the file (And it's really long, so no, i cannot just sit and wait, nor should I have to.) |
| 03:53.34 | mentor | apacker: Try strace'ing it. Or use VLC. |
| 03:53.52 | apacker | mentor, which package to install on testing to get vlc these days? "vlc"... doesnt work!! |
| 03:54.12 | apacker | mentor, p.s. I dont use gnome or kde, on icewm here |
| 03:54.12 | mentor | darkfires: That looks suspiciously right. |
| 03:54.31 | mentor | darkfires: Maybe GNOME? Can you switch when using GDM? Maybe GD config? TRy loading a simple WM? |
| 03:54.46 | mentor | !find vlc |
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| 03:54.58 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'vlc' (6 of 19): (/usr/share/doc/kvlc) in kde/kvlc ;; (/usr/share/doc/qvlc) in graphics/qvlc ;; (/usr/include/video/vlc.h) in libdevel/libmpeg3-dev ;; (/usr/share/doc/vlc-plugin-sdl) in graphics/vlc-plugin-sdl ;; (/usr/share/doc/vlc-plugin-ggi) in graphics/vlc-plugin-ggi ;; (/usr/share/doc/vlc-plugin-esd) in graphics/vlc-plugin-esd. |
| 03:54.58 | apacker | !find vlc |
| 03:55.12 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'vlc' (6 of 19): (/usr/share/doc/kvlc) in kde/kvlc ;; (/usr/share/doc/qvlc) in graphics/qvlc ;; (/usr/include/video/vlc.h) in libdevel/libmpeg3-dev ;; (/usr/share/doc/vlc-plugin-sdl) in graphics/vlc-plugin-sdl ;; (/usr/share/doc/vlc-plugin-ggi) in graphics/vlc-plugin-ggi ;; (/usr/share/doc/vlc-plugin-esd) in graphics/vlc-plugin-esd. |
| 03:55.28 | DGauge | does debian have kdevelop or do I need to get it from KDE.org? someone told me they thought debian had kdevelop but didn't know where to look |
| 03:55.36 | mentor | apacker: dpkg says vlc |
| 03:55.41 | mentor | maybe unstable only? |
| 03:55.55 | apacker | mentor, yes, according to packages.debian.og |
| 03:56.03 | apacker | mentor, that did not used to be the case. what gives?? |
| 03:56.15 | mentor | bugs? |
| 03:56.23 | darkfires | mentor: nope, can't even switch with just X |
| 03:56.55 | darkfires | mentor: i think I am finally convinced the only proper solution is just to a reinstall |
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| 03:57.43 | apacker | mentor, you know im sure this is the worst place to say this, but at times like this im glad I have a Windows machine. |
| 03:57.46 | mentor | darkfires: garg. |
| 03:57.58 | apacker | mentor, as in, goto divx website. download player. watch file. |
| 03:58.25 | mentor | apacker: Yeah, except when you have to deal with WMV DRM. Download player, sell soul, watch file. |
| 03:58.44 | darkfires | mentor: i first installed debian on this box oct 2003, and i've just updated ever since heh |
| 03:59.05 | mentor | darkfires: I've never reinstalled a Debian box. |
| 03:59.15 | mentor | darkfires: mind you, I've never been rooted. |
| 03:59.20 | abrotman | mentor: not even for hardware failure ? |
| 03:59.21 | mentor | I think |
| 03:59.25 | darkfires | ive never been rooted on this box either |
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| 03:59.37 | abrotman | oh crap .. i forgot to get a laptop HDD ... |
| 03:59.46 | mentor | abrotman: when I replace the hardware...it's a different box. duh. |
| 03:59.50 | darkfires | I think i'm going to try ubuntu this time |
| 03:59.50 | mentor | feh. |
| 03:59.53 | mentor | I should go to bed |
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| 04:00.00 | JunK-Y | when i do fdisk -l, ive no output at all, any idea? that machine has a 250G SATA2 drive. |
| 04:00.09 | abrotman | that freaking smartctl | grep pre-fail .. numbers 7 these days |
| 04:00.19 | mentor | smartd! |
| 04:00.26 | abrotman | JunK-Y: specify a device |
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| 04:00.38 | darkfires | smartd doesn't work with sata devices that go through scsi layer |
| 04:00.40 | mentor | poff |
| 04:00.45 | mentor | should do |
| 04:00.45 | JunK-Y | abrotman: i wanna list all drives. |
| 04:00.46 | abrotman | mentor: no! |
| 04:00.47 | apacker | mentor, can you check out #flood? i got that from gmplayer... |
| 04:00.55 | mentor | the SCSI layer has ATA pass through implemented. |
| 04:01.07 | mentor | apacker: Yes. I suggest that you strace the app. |
| 04:01.24 | unstable | How can I tell what is using module ide-cd? |
| 04:01.25 | apacker | mentor, I pasted a new error |
| 04:01.27 | darkfires | mentor: yes but not smart commands, doesn't work for me... says smart commands aren't understood by the scsi layer |
| 04:01.38 | unstable | abrotman: you know? |
| 04:01.46 | apacker | mentor, the last two lines, starting at "Linux RTC init..." |
| 04:01.53 | mentor | darkfires: The SCSI layer shouldn't be touching it. IT's a pass thorugh |
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| 04:02.29 | mentor | apacker: Well, what is your max RTC frequency for users? |
| 04:02.38 | abrotman | unstable: lsmod |
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| 04:03.02 | apacker | mentor, you know, I really dont want to sell my soul. But I have no idea what the answer to your question is, how to check the value, or how to change it. |
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| 04:03.36 | apacker | mentor, although that file reads 64... |
| 04:04.07 | apacker | mentor, so i take some of that back :) nonetheless, which startup scripts would be a good place for that? /etc/rc.d/init.d/yourmom.d/i-know-longer-understand/startup-scripts |
| 04:04.11 | mentor | apacker: TRy doing what it says then? |
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| 04:04.32 | mentor | apacker: Just try running the command now, and seeing if gmplayer works |
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| 04:06.10 | apacker | mentor, awesome! got past that error. still more coming, but I can at least make headway on my own for awhile now... thanks! |
| 04:06.33 | mentor | apacker: Probably put that line in some system options init script or the rtc script. |
| 04:06.45 | apacker | !find LIRC |
| 04:07.01 | apacker | mentor, ok |
| 04:08.57 | magyar | any souls here using "postfixadmin" ? |
| 04:10.02 | yonkeltron | what live cd might be best for diagnosing hardware problems? |
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| 04:10.57 | xoz | !grml |
| 04:10.57 | dpkg | well, grml is a Live Linux CD for sysadmins, http://grml.org/ |
| 04:11.54 | dbe | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE says GPL and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME says GPL and LGPL is this true? |
| 04:12.48 | yonkeltron | xoz: ah...thanx! any other ideas? |
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| 04:15.12 | jmd | Can anyone else get the -n option to sort to actually work? |
| 04:15.28 | jmd | It seems to be ignored. |
| 04:15.34 | dbindner | It works for me. 'du -s | sort -n' |
| 04:15.47 | dbindner | or rather 'du -s * | sort -n' |
| 04:16.28 | jmd | dbindner, What about touch foo1 foo2 foo10 foo11 ; ls -1 | sort -n |
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| 04:16.52 | dbindner | Nope. That would seem like an intuitive use, but it doesn't work like that. |
| 04:17.00 | dbindner | I wish it did many times. |
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| 04:17.38 | Goat25 | the thing with the -n option is that it only uses the first field on the line numerically |
| 04:17.56 | ahewitt | hey guys, I am having performance issues using the bacula tape tester (btape), where it is only writing at ~14MBps and I would expect ~50MBps...does anyone know of some performance tweaking I could look at to improve the performance? |
| 04:17.57 | jmd | dbindner, Anything else I can use to sort strings numerically? |
| 04:18.36 | Goat25 | perl |
| 04:18.57 | dbindner | Sometimes I've actually renamed the files with leading zeros. 'rename s/foo/foo0/ foo?' |
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| 04:19.42 | roby | my built in AC97 sound is picking up cpu fan hum and mouse movements... how do i stop this? alsa is being used |
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| 04:20.30 | raden | how would i make cron copy files to a removable hard drive daily and tell it to force a overwrite ? |
| 04:20.51 | emp__ | could someone tell my why "ping -I ethX <ip>" would fail, but "ping -I <ethX ip> <ip>" would work? |
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| 04:21.59 | ahewitt | raden: 0 * * * * root cp -f /home/files /mnt/hdd/ |
| 04:23.06 | raden | 0***** ?? |
| 04:23.50 | ahewitt | raden: thats the schedule, in this case it runs the cron job every night at midnight..."man cron" |
| 04:24.07 | raden | gotcha |
| 04:24.20 | raden | doesnt i can just type root and itll run root ? |
| 04:24.22 | GutterPunk | I want to start a vncserver after each boot as a normal user automatically. What should I put in rc.local? |
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| 04:25.31 | lkj1 | I am having trouble with my sources.list . Nothing works. Can someone give me a good copy of one? |
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| 04:26.38 | ahewitt | raden: can you rephrse that question, I have no idea what you are asking? |
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| 04:26.40 | unstable | lkj1: What version of debian? |
| 04:27.24 | lkj1 | It is called Auditor, which is based off of Knoppix/Debian |
| 04:27.33 | nitelit3 | remote-exploit.org |
| 04:27.49 | lkj1 | correct |
| 04:27.54 | lkj1 | :) that's the one |
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| 04:28.34 | unstable | What is a good program I can apt-get to make 2d animation programs with? |
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| 04:29.08 | nitelit3 | unstable, thats not my cup of tea, but check out maya maybe |
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| 04:29.12 | Celeste | hi |
| 04:29.16 | nitelit3 | not linux platform i don't think |
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| 04:29.42 | Celeste | how comes that sometimes X starts properly, and the next time it tells me VGA MODE not Supported (a blue little window from my screen) |
| 04:30.11 | Celeste | specially when I log out and restart X it does not come up again |
| 04:30.21 | Celeste | then I have to use CTRL + ALT + BACK several times |
| 04:30.31 | Celeste | sometimes X works then |
| 04:30.34 | Celeste | why? |
| 04:30.37 | Celeste | what can I do? |
| 04:30.42 | deadcat | !enter |
| 04:30.42 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
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| 04:38.34 | OnkelD | when quitting irssi i get this: *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0x081144b0 *** |
| 04:38.44 | OnkelD | Aborted (core dumped) |
| 04:38.46 | OnkelD | glibc broken? |
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| 04:42.09 | niaht | OnkeID: looks like a bug.. slap that error text into google. |
| 04:42.29 | OnkelD | have done it |
| 04:42.37 | OnkelD | i get hits regards to inkscape only |
| 04:42.48 | pabs3 | OnkelD: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/03/msg00956.html |
| 04:43.05 | pabs3 | workaround on that page |
| 04:43.13 | unstable | What is with the new packages added to unstable.. |
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| 04:43.26 | OnkelD | the bug occurs when using irssi, but i updated libglib2.0-0_2.10.1-2_i386.deb yesterday |
| 04:43.36 | OnkelD | so i suppose it has to do with glib2 |
| 04:43.50 | pabs3 | OnkelD: run this "G_SLICE=always-malloc irssi" |
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| 04:44.29 | niaht | of potential interest: http://bugs.irssi.org/index.php?do=details&id=369 |
| 04:44.56 | OnkelD | g_slice doesnt help |
| 04:45.03 | OnkelD | G_SLICE=always-malloc irssi |
| 04:45.03 | OnkelD | *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0x08113a88 *** |
| 04:45.03 | OnkelD | Abgebrochen (core dumped) |
| 04:45.25 | pabs3 | some other problem then |
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| 04:47.15 | OnkelD | do you think its an irssi or a glib problem? |
| 04:47.28 | pabs3 | irssi |
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| 04:52.30 | a1fa|64 | damn it |
| 04:52.42 | a1fa|64 | when i run startx on debian woody (sparc), the screen goes blank |
| 04:52.49 | a1fa|64 | and i cant switch console anymore |
| 04:53.07 | unstable | !tell niaht about bts |
| 04:53.09 | a1fa|64 | the only way to get-out of this black screen is to ssh to the box and kill x |
| 04:53.23 | a1fa|64 | but, i did ifcofig eth0 down before i run startx this time |
| 04:53.23 | a1fa|64 | sucks |
| 04:53.42 | unstable | a1fa|64: upgrade to sarge(stable) |
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| 04:53.57 | niaht | yay for bts |
| 04:54.05 | unstable | !tell a1fa|64 about woody->sarge |
| 04:54.10 | a1fa|64 | unstable: my bad.. it is sarge |
| 04:54.16 | a1fa|64 | it is sarge, sorry |
| 04:54.22 | ubuh-huntuh | use x86 |
| 04:54.33 | ubuh-huntuh | :-) |
| 04:54.36 | unstable | a1fa|64: What does dpkg -al|grep -i xfree show you? |
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| 04:54.44 | a1fa|64 | i dont know |
| 04:54.48 | a1fa|64 | i have to restart the box |
| 04:54.57 | a1fa|64 | its restarting |
| 04:54.58 | unstable | a1fa|64: Does control alt backspace work? |
| 04:55.30 | a1fa|64 | nope |
| 04:55.33 | a1fa|64 | nothing |
| 04:55.42 | a1fa|64 | not even ctrl+<>+break |
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| 04:56.04 | niaht | still freaks me out every time I see base-config being uninstalled. |
| 04:56.51 | unstable | yea, same here |
| 04:56.51 | unstable | heh |
| 04:57.44 | deadcat | hot damn. 7.0 is ok sid? |
| 04:58.03 | deadcat | nope |
| 04:58.08 | deadcat | -5 |
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| 05:02.46 | niaht | "no sir, you may not buy additional Debian licenses for the servers at the new remote site" ... "um.. yes, I'm quite glad you wish to be preemptive"... "ok then, yes sir, you are indeed free to try". |
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| 05:04.06 | metrix | I'm trying to show my friend how many packages are in debian. where would I get a count of total installable packages? |
| 05:04.46 | dondelelcaro | !debstats |
| 05:04.46 | dpkg | from memory, debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 05:04.49 | dondelelcaro | !dstats |
| 05:04.57 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 18082 packages, 1652 maintainers, 36801 MB installed size, 12021 MB compressed size. |
| 05:05.06 | dondelelcaro | metrix: see above |
| 05:05.07 | OnkelD | !irssi |
| 05:05.07 | dpkg | it has been said that irssi is the best irc client ever, or found in the irssi-text package |
| 05:05.53 | a1fa|64 | lol |
| 05:05.55 | a1fa|64 | !bitchx |
| 05:05.55 | dpkg | i guess bitchx is a fine irc-client build on epic and ircII. as a debian package, screwed up and not falling back to IPv4 when IPv6 ain't possible, or not as good as irssi, and needs less moronic /quit messages |
| 05:06.08 | a1fa|64 | lol |
| 05:06.10 | a1fa|64 | hate |
| 05:07.01 | a1fa|64 | anyway.. back to my problem |
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| 05:08.45 | a1fa|64 | unstable: xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:09.08 | a1fa|64 | and 4 other packages, dri, gl, glu, xfree86-common |
| 05:09.56 | a1fa|64 | it is interesting. when i run xf86cfg. |
| 05:09.58 | a1fa|64 | it crashed |
| 05:10.21 | a1fa|64 | i used tasksel to get the desktop enviroment |
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| 05:11.34 | a1fa|64 | hm |
| 05:11.53 | a1fa|64 | it is complaining about libglcore.a : no symbols found |
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| 05:12.26 | a1fa|64 | ~modconf |
| 05:12.31 | apt | modconf is probably a tool to configure/add/delete kernel modules |
| 05:12.36 | a1fa|64 | it pissess me off.. modconf doesnt come with base install anymore |
| 05:12.42 | kirik | hi, my Gigabyte PS/2 optical mouse is not working... it is /dev/psaux for ps/2, right? |
| 05:12.46 | dak | do apt-get update ; apt-get -u upgrade |
| 05:13.22 | dak | kirik: google is a great place to start |
| 05:13.54 | kirik | dak: I found many hits for USB optical mice not PS/2 ones |
| 05:14.01 | dak | a1fa try apt-get -f install |
| 05:14.04 | dak | might install some missing packages |
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| 05:14.15 | StereoSkit | dudes, ive just installed a stable debian and although gnome is in spanish the man pages are in english, which package do i need to install to read the man pages in spanish? |
| 05:14.49 | dak | kirik: gpmconf ? |
| 05:15.01 | bwlang | will debian run better on a dual core 2ghz cpu or 2 single core 2ghz cpus? |
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| 05:15.11 | dak | mdetect - mouse device autodetection tool |
| 05:15.18 | a1fa|64 | bwlang: dual core |
| 05:15.25 | dak | apt-cache does amazing things... like finds spanish man pages too |
| 05:15.31 | kirik | StereoSkit: install manpages-es |
| 05:15.35 | a1fa|64 | bwlang: make sure you have the smp version of kernel |
| 05:15.38 | kirik | dak: thanks for the lead |
| 05:15.38 | a1fa|64 | god damn it |
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| 05:15.42 | a1fa|64 | black screen again |
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| 05:15.59 | bwlang | a1fa|64: i suspected the other way around - why do think dual core is faster? shared cache? |
| 05:16.03 | niaht | Step 1: reproduce problem (glibc detected free(): invalid pointer: 0x810fbb8 Aborted (core dumped) |
| 05:16.08 | nite613_ | a recent update/upgrade in testing broke my X setup on my laptop :( intel i810 chipset + synaptics touchpad, any idea what may have broken? |
| 05:16.19 | kirik | StereoSkit: there is also a package called manpages-es-extra, you may install that also |
| 05:16.31 | Nazxul | nite613_: Same thing just happened to me, and I've yet to resolve it. Did you have x.org installed beforehand? |
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| 05:16.52 | nite613_ | Nazxul: Unfortunately I don't remember :P |
| 05:16.57 | Nazxul | Hmm. |
| 05:17.00 | nite613_ | but it's certainly installed now |
| 05:17.01 | StereoSkit | kirik: tnx, i should predict it ^_^ |
| 05:17.02 | niaht | oh-ohhh.. someone remind me to not reboot my laptop, or log out of X, for a while. |
| 05:17.10 | nite613_ | niaht: yeah |
| 05:17.15 | a1fa|64 | X: Client 4 rejected from local host |
| 05:17.16 | a1fa|64 | wtf |
| 05:17.26 | Nazxul | What happened to me was it installed x.org, and I opted to continue using Xfree86, but next time I tried to start X again, it was not executable. |
| 05:17.43 | nite613_ | right now when I try to start xorg it tells me it can't initialize the pointer device |
| 05:17.45 | gravity | Nazxul: You can't do that. Just choose to use xorg |
| 05:17.53 | dak | you sure your conf didnt get moved? |
| 05:17.53 | Nazxul | How can I choose that now? |
| 05:17.54 | gravity | Nazxul: xfree86 doesn't exist on your system any more |
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| 05:18.02 | gravity | Nazxul: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common I think |
| 05:18.08 | Nazxul | Hmm, alright, hang on. |
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| 05:18.53 | gravity | I should write better logic for that part |
| 05:19.16 | Nazxul | It wasn't there. |
| 05:19.17 | dak | and your xfree conf will work for xorg |
| 05:19.27 | dak | well should anyway |
| 05:19.32 | dak | i may be wrong |
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| 05:19.55 | Nazxul | I don't think it's a problem with the conf. |
| 05:19.55 | a1fa|64 | ~ultra10 |
| 05:19.57 | nite613_ | the reconfigure didn't help me. Still says cannot open /dev/psaux, maybe there is a problem elsewhere... |
| 05:20.10 | Nazxul | Mine simply says... |
| 05:20.23 | dak | nite613_: do you have a /dev/psaux ? |
| 05:20.29 | Nazxul | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:20.39 | dak | you sure you guys have the xserver installed ? |
| 05:20.43 | Nazxul | Yes. |
| 05:20.44 | nite613_ | dak: I do! |
| 05:20.55 | nite613_ | and yes, my x server is installed. It runs and produces errors :) |
| 05:20.55 | Nazxul | I updated recently, and it downloaded and installed x.org. |
| 05:20.59 | gravity | Nazxul: Ah, sorry. Use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 05:21.10 | gravity | Too many damn packages with too many templates |
| 05:21.49 | dak | if u dont have a /etc/X11/X you prolly dont have the server installed |
| 05:22.04 | gravity | He does. He just picked the wrong one to link |
| 05:22.08 | dak | ah |
| 05:22.51 | nite613_ | ooh this is looking promising |
| 05:23.08 | Nazxul | Ahhh. |
| 05:23.22 | Nazxul | gravity: Yeah, I just did that. Seems to have worked... |
| 05:23.27 | zood_ | Does make-kpkg compile things is approximately the order they're listed in menuconfig? |
| 05:23.32 | gravity | I need to close that hole. Users shouldn't even have the option of choosing xfree86 after xorg is installed, since xfree86 isn't there any more |
| 05:23.48 | gravity | Nazxul: Cool, glad to hear it |
| 05:23.56 | Nazxul | And X just started. :) |
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| 05:24.04 | nite613_ | :( still no good for me |
| 05:24.09 | a1fa|64 | X: Client 4 rejected from local host |
| 05:24.23 | nite613_ | can't find my mouse still :( |
| 05:24.27 | niaht | Step 2: prepare your environment (morphine please) |
| 05:25.11 | Nazxul | gravity: Thanks a ton. |
| 05:26.12 | dak | bleh |
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| 05:26.17 | dak | he gets help then jets :/ |
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| 05:26.37 | purezx3 | I want to switch users using a shell script (su username). However, I can't figure out how to enter the password for the username... Anyone know how to do this? (I can't use sudo either). |
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| 05:27.58 | niaht | purezx3: At some risk I suppose, I would like to point out that is is probably not a good idea... for some reason. |
| 05:28.48 | purezx3 | niaht: why not? |
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| 05:29.26 | niaht | purezx3: I suppose I should ask, where do you plan to store this password? |
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| 05:30.33 | purezx3 | niaht: I actually just need to switch to the user to make a tarball of the home directory |
| 05:30.54 | purezx3 | niaht: I'm trying to do this via SSH on a debian server I'm hosted on... So I'm making a tarball to email to myself for a backup (from a cron job) |
| 05:31.36 | niaht | purezx3: Is it ok for you to be prompted for the password? |
| 05:31.45 | nite613_ | It seems my xorg problem stems from my mouse disappearing. Dell inspiron 2600, Synaptics touchpad. Both /dev/psaux and /dev/input/mice are saying "no such device" |
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| 05:32.23 | purezx3 | niaht: wouldn't that not work if I'm trying to make a cron job? :S I want it to run automatically. |
| 05:32.24 | a1fa|64 | X: Client 4 rejected from local host ....yooooooo? |
| 05:32.31 | dak | nite613_: |
| 05:32.36 | dak | i have a dell 8200 1 sec |
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| 05:33.32 | dak | and its not even in my xorg.conf |
| 05:33.33 | dak | heh |
| 05:33.40 | nite613_ | I see my Synaptics in dmesg... |
| 05:34.00 | Estes | I know some guys here do serious professionnal hosting, i want a virtual dedicated server.... cheap, anyone that provide this, please msg me :) |
| 05:34.12 | Estes | ....of course... a debian |
| 05:34.13 | AK__ | Hi , I hava a problem with gd-lib to create a simple png. who can help me:) |
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| 05:34.41 | dak | bleh |
| 05:34.45 | niaht | purezx3: Yea.. su isn't going to like that at all.. having sudo around would be helpful there.. but I understand you may not have control over that. |
| 05:36.43 | nite613_ | What kernel module is needed for /dev/psaux or /dev/input/mice to work? |
| 05:37.24 | cat | nite613_: /etc/init.d/hotplug restart; (: |
| 05:37.24 | litage | when i ftp somewhere and type "ls", my ftp client sends "PORT 10,0,10,11,136,89" to the server, which responds with "500 Illegal PORT command." my client then spits out "ftp: bind: Address already in use". how can i fix this? |
| 05:37.59 | niaht | purezx3: If you could create the tarball as the user your crontab is running as (granted it has permission to read the files).. maybe fakeroot, or similar trickery could help. |
| 05:38.04 | dondelelcaro | litage: flip to active instad of passive, or vice versa. |
| 05:38.09 | purezx3 | niaht: Maybe it'll work if I make line 1: su - USERNAME, and then line 2 something like echo "password" |
| 05:38.28 | niaht | purezx3: Nope.. but do experiment and see the results. |
| 05:38.57 | dak | you gotta restart x nite613_ |
| 05:39.02 | dak | and gpm |
| 05:39.13 | dak | trust me what i pasted you works |
| 05:39.20 | dak | nipple and glide pad |
| 05:40.09 | nite613_ | cat: Hey that worked! Thanks ! :) |
| 05:40.18 | Estes | sudo su |
| 05:40.22 | niaht | purezx3: dare I say 'expect' |
| 05:40.26 | Estes | can be nice... |
| 05:40.46 | cat | np nite613_ |
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| 05:41.41 | a1fa|64 | X: Client 4 rejected from local host ....yooooooo? |
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| 05:42.39 | purezx3 | :) |
| 05:43.21 | purezx3 | Alright, I gotta go |
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| 05:43.23 | purezx3 | Thanks niaht |
| 05:43.26 | purezx3 | Cya |
| 05:43.27 | niaht | purezx3: np |
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| 05:44.06 | menko | hi people, how can I add ~/bin to my path? It's in ~/.bash_profile , but that isn't adding it to my path |
| 05:44.39 | Daedalus_ | menko: you may have to add it to .bashrc as well |
| 05:44.51 | menko | ok, I'll try that, thanks |
| 05:44.58 | Daedalus_ | menko: the different files are executed depending upon whether you're executing a login shell or not |
| 05:45.46 | menko | ok, I'll try logging out and back in now |
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| 05:46.01 | menko | oh wait, I don't |
| 05:46.08 | menko | it's showing up in my path now, cool, thanks |
| 05:46.38 | menko | it's not in my xlaunch path, maybe I need to logout in for that |
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| 05:48.18 | somePriest | I'm using X. Mozilla products seem to be able to use my True Type fonts, but xfontsel doesn't see them. What needs to be done in order for xfontsel to see them? |
| 05:49.37 | cat | somePriest: make a directory mkdir .fonts and put the fonts there and restart you're x and you're done |
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| 05:50.17 | somePriest | cat, .fonts in ~? How will X know about .fonts? |
| 05:50.37 | cat | somePriest: that's how sometimes i do it, and it works (: |
| 05:50.47 | niaht | Step 3: locate code causing the issue, patch, rebuild |
| 05:51.21 | litage | dondelelcaro: the ftp server supports active (ie: non-passive) connections, and i've been using active |
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| 05:53.19 | menko | hi people, I added the line to bashrc, but it seems only the terminal sees ~/bin in the path |
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| 05:53.47 | Azar | by the way... Guerin.. I have not seen him for long |
| 05:54.10 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 05:54.11 | dpkg | methinks popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 05:54.15 | niaht | Step 4: Install and test. |
| 05:54.22 | yxa | ok how can i access a webpage whois is virtually hosted but the dns is no longer around. ie I can telnet IP port 80 and GET http://www.xxx.com HTTP/1.0 but not http://IP anymore |
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| 05:54.53 | isleshocky71 | hello to all. |
| 05:55.05 | isleshocky71 | I'm having trouble with qmail and squirrelmail. |
| 05:55.23 | isleshocky71 | Receiving mail works fine. But when I try to send I get the error. |
| 05:55.23 | isleshocky71 | Server replied: 454 oops, unable to write pipe and I can't auth (#4.3.0) |
| 05:55.32 | niaht | yxa: Other websites also hosted at http://IP ? |
| 05:55.39 | yxa | niaht yes |
| 05:55.44 | isleshocky71 | It also won't authenticate through outlook to send, only receive. |
| 05:55.48 | isleshocky71 | any ideas? |
| 05:56.06 | Supaplex | maybe sasl |
| 05:56.09 | niaht | yxa: add the ip to your hosts list with the proper www.xxx.com as the hostname? |
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| 05:57.06 | isleshocky71 | supaplex, was that to me? |
| 05:57.11 | Supaplex | yup |
| 05:57.12 | niaht | Step 5: profit.. irssi doesn't core dump on exit anymore. |
| 05:57.24 | isleshocky71 | what do you mean sasl? |
| 05:57.46 | Supaplex | !sasl |
| 05:57.46 | dpkg | well, sasl is Simple Authentication and Security Layer, an extensible authentication method defined in RFC 2222. SASL allows for the use of various mechanisms for authentication, which are registered with the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA). a stupid, evil and poorly documented (but necessary) system for smtp auth. |
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| 05:58.05 | isleshocky71 | how would I debug that. |
| 05:58.24 | isleshocky71 | I followed the qmailrocks.org installation tutorial and everything else seems to be working. |
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| 05:58.42 | isleshocky71 | I was able to send out mail using webmin. |
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| 05:59.02 | Supaplex | any mention of sasl in your journey? |
| 05:59.10 | isleshocky71 | no. |
| 05:59.35 | isleshocky71 | They don't really mention anything about auth except to set squirrelmail to use login for the smtp server. |
| 05:59.46 | nite613_ | Arg, now I can't get Xorg to give me anything higher than 640x480 :( |
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| 06:00.02 | menko | hey, does anyone know a good program to configure smb fstab entries? |
| 06:00.17 | tuv | menko: nano |
| 06:00.26 | Supaplex | vim! |
| 06:00.38 | niaht | hey now.. that's just plain mean :) |
| 06:00.39 | menko | a program which I don't have to learn syntax for |
| 06:00.49 | Supaplex | nono, ed! real system admins use ed! |
| 06:00.51 | Supaplex | :P |
| 06:01.26 | isleshocky71 | oh.. I'm an idiot.. nevermind. it seems that it will work with no auth and when I turn off my outgoing servers needs to authenticate. I guess it didn't install an smtp-auth at all. |
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| 06:01.37 | yxa | niaht thats a good idea. let me try that |
| 06:01.52 | isleshocky71 | yeah.. thanks. |
| 06:01.52 | isleshocky71 | lol |
| 06:01.57 | isleshocky71 | I'll be working on closing that. |
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| 06:02.17 | Supaplex | /etc/init.d/networking stop |
| 06:02.18 | isleshocky71 | Anyone have a good tutorial for and smtp-auth with qmail, vpopmail, and Debian? |
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| 06:02.21 | Supaplex | pretty safe way ;) |
| 06:02.43 | Supaplex | dig for the docs |
| 06:02.44 | isleshocky71 | I need the outgoing smtp server. so I need an auth for it. |
| 06:02.55 | litage | is passive required on an ftp server if a client is behind NAT? |
| 06:02.59 | niaht | Supaplex: At least give 'em ifdown :) |
| 06:03.02 | AK__ | ：） |
| 06:03.28 | Supaplex | and assume it's just eth0? :-o |
| 06:03.33 | niaht | :) |
| 06:03.48 | niaht | 50% chance? |
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| 06:04.27 | menko | AK__: what did you write? it just comes up as ï¼?ï¼? for me... |
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| 06:04.56 | Supaplex | ï¼?ï¼ of course. |
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| 06:05.08 | menko | does anyone know what i Can set to get that text to show up properly? |
| 06:05.25 | Supaplex | looks like squares? |
| 06:05.33 | Supaplex | !squares |
| 06:05.33 | dpkg | don't trip man! those square characters are caused by an oversight in the application, see /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or did you see boxes too? |
| 06:05.53 | menko | no squares, just strange characters |
| 06:06.25 | Supaplex | strange charaters for one very strange charater |
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| 06:06.31 | niaht | Supaplex: let me know if you ever need a job in my area. There is a desk and phone waiting for you!!! |
| 06:06.42 | yxa | niaht works! thanks |
| 06:06.50 | niaht | (i'll throw in a free t-shirt too) |
| 06:06.57 | niaht | yxa: kickin! |
| 06:07.12 | niaht | (it has horns on it) |
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| 06:07.42 | izzyb | what's the best channel to ask questions re linux raid? |
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| 06:07.47 | Supaplex | find ~/ -type f -print0 | xargs -0 shred |
| 06:07.59 | niaht | yes.. that's the stuff. |
| 06:08.14 | izzyb | I have a raid device that I no longer want, but it keeps coming back on reboot |
| 06:08.21 | menko | it's nice that xcalc has a not so ugly appearance compared to what I'm used to |
| 06:08.42 | Supaplex | like winecalc? |
| 06:09.02 | menko | no, on other distros xcalc is very... very.. ugly |
| 06:09.48 | Supaplex | more joy for us. |
| 06:10.31 | menko | xpaint and xedit as well |
| 06:10.46 | fudje | Because they use xlib directly. |
| 06:11.10 | fudje | Found what I wanted. Later, guys |
| 06:11.32 | nite613_ | :( How come X -probe-only tells me that my LFP (local flat panel, it's a laptop) has a resolution of 1024x768, but then later it says '"1024x768" (no mode of this name)' and uses 640x480 |
| 06:12.43 | niaht | nite613_: Maybe you haven't specified 1024x768 as a valid mode in your config. |
| 06:13.33 | nite613_ | niaht: I did, that's why it says "1024x764" (no mode of this name). If I change the place where I have 1024x768 in the config, it changes the log message accordingly |
| 06:13.58 | niaht | 1024x764 |
| 06:14.17 | nite613_ | 768, sorry, that is what it says |
| 06:14.28 | niaht | jus checkin' |
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| 06:15.26 | izzyb | hmm, think I just found the answer to my own question... mdadm --zero-superblock |
| 06:15.35 | niaht | nite613_: What is the exact mode line you are using (*just* the mode line plz) |
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| 06:16.09 | Azar | is Guerin banned? |
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| 06:16.29 | foo | I am editing my sources. What do I replace sarge with if I am on testing? etch? Hmm. |
| 06:16.38 | jm_ | Azar: why would he be? |
| 06:16.49 | nite613_ | niaht: Modes "1024x768" |
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| 06:16.56 | Azar | jm_ it shows he was last seen 4 weeks ago? |
| 06:17.00 | niaht | foo: I suggest you use the monikers stable|testing|unstable |
| 06:17.01 | tuv | foo, you could use testing.. etch should work too |
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| 06:17.36 | Azar | foo: I suggest you use the codenames instead of stable/testing/unstable |
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| 06:17.38 | jm_ | Azar: heh he has left Korea and is on his way to Europe |
| 06:17.47 | Azar | jm_ ah :) |
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| 06:18.23 | menko | hey does onyone know what package contrains some gtk1 themes? |
| 06:18.25 | tuv | Azar, why are the codenames preferrable? |
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| 06:19.26 | foo | How do I reconfigure my sources? |
| 06:19.28 | niaht | nite613_: Syntactically correct at least. |
| 06:19.44 | nite613_ | sigh |
| 06:19.48 | niaht | foo: <your fav editor> /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:19.52 | tuv | menko, apt-cache search --names-only gtk-engines |
| 06:19.55 | jm_ | foo: with an editor, but stick to stable if you are asking such questions |
| 06:20.03 | niaht | nite613_: What vid card in the laptop? |
| 06:20.12 | nite613_ | Intel i830 |
| 06:20.16 | menko | tuv: cool thanks |
| 06:20.19 | foo | err, I mean.. wasn't there some sysconfig or something that would allow me to select from a list of mirrors? My bad. |
| 06:20.22 | foo | I should of elaborated. |
| 06:20.32 | nite613_ | i830M actually |
| 06:20.40 | jm_ | apt-setup |
| 06:20.42 | Azar | tuv imagine a new release is coming... the today stable is now a new stable named... stable. That's why |
| 06:21.02 | nite613_ | (II) I810(0): Size of device LFP (local flat panel) is 1024 x 768 |
| 06:21.54 | foo | jm_: THANKS |
| 06:21.54 | foo | thanks* |
| 06:21.54 | tuv | Azar, so you keep uptodate.. that's good.. why would i want to avoid that? |
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| 06:21.55 | foo | jm_: hmm, that doesn't work. /me scratches head |
| 06:21.55 | Azar | tuv, what if I do not want to jump on the new release yet... for some reasons.. |
| 06:21.58 | somePriest | Is there a xfontsel-like tool than when you choose all the fields, you can copy the result for pasting into various programs? |
| 06:21.59 | jm_ | foo: what doesn't? |
| 06:22.05 | Azar | and I forgot my sources use the term "stable" |
| 06:22.06 | foo | jm_: apt-setup ... hmm. |
| 06:22.13 | jm_ | foo: it works just finein Sarge |
| 06:22.25 | niaht | foo: generally speaking, it may be best to stick with http.us.debian.org et. al. |
| 06:22.25 | foo | woah, weird. |
| 06:22.31 | tuv | Azar, then that's the key.. it's not absolutely better to use either one |
| 06:22.44 | foo | Hmm, is there a list online I could select the mirrors? I don't seem to have apt-setup. weird. |
| 06:22.53 | Azar | since stable is same as Sarge, I prefer using .. /debian/ sarge rather than /debian/ stable |
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| 06:23.16 | jm_ | foo: install it |
| 06:23.27 | niaht | nite613_: agpgart? |
| 06:23.30 | tuv | well i prefer to use testing so i'm always on testing |
| 06:23.31 | foo | laptop:/home/foo# cat /etc/debian_version |
| 06:23.31 | foo | testing/unstable |
| 06:23.33 | foo | jm_: ^^ |
| 06:23.34 | foo | Hmm. |
| 06:23.36 | Azar | tuv, btw etch will come with sources listing / etch , not / testing :) |
| 06:23.44 | jm_ | foo: ohh yeah, removal of base-config |
| 06:24.02 | foo | jm_: Removal of base-config? apt-get remove base-config? |
| 06:24.08 | tuv | Azar, i installed from sarge cd and upgraded to testing |
| 06:24.25 | Azar | tuv me too because I am too of a chicken to face hardships |
| 06:24.40 | Azar | tuv errr.. I installed woody and upgraded to sarge |
| 06:24.47 | tuv | Azar, etch's install cd wasn't working very well at that time |
| 06:24.50 | nite613_ | niaht: (EE) GARTInit: Unable to open /dev/agpgart (No such device) |
| 06:25.17 | niaht | nite613_: I have a funny feeling that this is the direction in which your problem resides. |
| 06:25.33 | niaht | nite613_: Custom kernel? |
| 06:25.34 | Azar | tuv imagine people using /debian/ testing and feeling ok about it.. when the time comes that etch will become / stable... bah... no way I do not even want to think about their pain |
| 06:25.40 | litage | if you restrict the passive ftp ports that vsftpd can use, how does an ftp client find out about this port range? |
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| 06:26.03 | nite613_ | niaht: Oh yeah? So agpart should be working? No, no custom kernel. Recent apt-get upgrade is what took me out. Was running XFree86 before I think, definately at 1024x768 |
| 06:26.15 | tuv | Azar, what could cause such awful pain? |
| 06:26.15 | foo | jm_: Any ideas? Hmm |
| 06:26.26 | nite613_ | niaht: Is there a kernel module I should load? |
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| 06:26.40 | niaht | nite613_: Either a module isn't loaded, or there is something up with the version of X you are using.. yeah, try the module first. |
| 06:26.52 | isleshocky71 | How do I install a perl module? Statistics::Distribution ? |
| 06:26.53 | nite613_ | which module? :P |
| 06:27.02 | Azar | tuv, bottom line I think it is way better to use /debian/ sarge, /debian/ etch, and /debian/ sid instead |
| 06:27.09 | tuv | Azar, they will be very close to etch for a little while until current testing slowly drifts away |
| 06:27.31 | niaht | nite613_: agpgart |
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| 06:27.44 | niaht | nite613_: modprobe agpgart |
| 06:27.48 | tuv | Azar, that's what happended to me when sarge became stable |
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| 06:28.20 | Azar | tuv I have had my share with it and I can tell you I have to reinstall Woody when that happened to me. I was NOT ready for Sarge yet.. I got sarge all of a sudden. For me was not a good surprise |
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| 06:28.48 | Azar | lesson learned, from that day I use the distro codename on my sources |
| 06:28.54 | nite613_ | niaht: It's loaded but still get the "no such device" error |
| 06:29.06 | nite613_ | there is an i810 module loaded too |
| 06:29.07 | RainbowW | is there a decent primer somewhere on writing a crontab? i essentially want to run a script that will start/check a daemon every so often, but have it NOT send me emails every time it runs |
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| 06:29.21 | niaht | isleshocky71: some perl modules are available via apt-get.. some you just either use CPAN to install or do such manually. |
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| 06:29.28 | niaht | nite613_: hrm.. |
| 06:29.34 | jm_ | RainbowW: man 5 crontab |
| 06:29.42 | izzyb | isleshocky71, perl -MCPAN -e 'install Statistics::Distribution' |
| 06:29.57 | jm_ | foo: just use an editor |
| 06:30.42 | izzyb | isleshocky71, yeah, you should probably see if it's available via apt-get first |
| 06:30.56 | isleshocky71 | Warning: Cannot install Statistics::Distribution, don't know what it is. |
| 06:31.01 | izzyb | if not, the perl command should do the trick |
| 06:31.26 | izzyb | did you search cpan for it? search.cpan.org |
| 06:31.45 | isleshocky71 | yeah. |
| 06:32.00 | isleshocky71 | I have it downloaded and un tared. but I don't know how to install it from the machine. |
| 06:32.12 | isleshocky71 | It keeps tyring to install via ftp and it can't connect in cpan for some reason. |
| 06:32.46 | niaht | nite613_: Does /dev/agpgart exist? |
| 06:32.51 | izzyb | isleshocky71, you could do it manully. usually perl Makefile.Pl; make; make test; make install |
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| 06:33.35 | niaht | isleshocky71: perl Makefile.pl; make; make install (usually, if you have any deps etc it needs) |
| 06:33.43 | izzyb | isleshocky71, sounds like your cpan module might not be configured correctly. not sure off the top of my head how to force it to reconfigure |
| 06:33.51 | niaht | there I go with not testing stuff |
| 06:33.58 | izzyb | probably deleting the .cpan dir from your home dir would do it |
| 06:34.15 | stew | isleshocky71: don't install cpan modules directly, use dh-make-perl |
| 06:34.18 | stew | !dh-make-perl |
| 06:34.18 | dpkg | i guess dh-make-perl is a packaged script that converts Perl modules snagged from CPAN into .deb archives. You get to use CPAN archives, Debian's dependencies stay in one piece, everybody's happy. Find more information at http://packages.debian.org/testing/devel/dh-make-perl.html |
| 06:34.22 | Azar | tuv in any case, the way I read about the etch beta for sure I would not want to install it by surprise... it is totally different from what I seen so far and I will need to prepare for it before getting ready to switch. |
| 06:34.35 | isleshocky71 | The manual install worked out. Thanks izzb. I would like to get cpan working correctly though if anyone has any suggestions. |
| 06:34.54 | izzyb | stew, hmm, interesting. I'll have to play with that ;) |
| 06:35.37 | tuv | Azar, maybe stable changes are more dramatic than testing's, since testing is updated continuously and stable is in one shot |
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| 06:36.06 | izzyb | stew, what does the dh_ stand for? |
| 06:36.15 | nite613_ | niaht: It does |
| 06:36.18 | dondelelcaro | izzyb: debhelper |
| 06:36.19 | stew | izzyb: debhelper |
| 06:36.28 | nite613_ | niaht: Gives me "no such device" when I cat it |
| 06:36.29 | izzyb | oh, of course |
| 06:36.35 | dondelelcaro | nite613_: ugh. don't do that. use dh-make-perl. |
| 06:36.39 | dondelelcaro | s/nite/niaht/ |
| 06:36.46 | dondelelcaro | (as stew recommended) |
| 06:37.02 | Azar | tuv I doubt it: for 3 years since I first installed Debian I am using lilo, xfree86, I am not ready to struggle with grub and xorg.... |
| 06:37.02 | niaht | dondelelcaro: Any particular reason (besides any install path differences)? |
| 06:37.20 | dondelelcaro | niaht: you can't remove or upgrade easily using CPAN. |
| 06:37.46 | dondelelcaro | niaht: cpan also doesn't express dependencies particularly well. |
| 06:37.50 | izzyb | hmm, don't have itinstalled here, guess I'll have to apt-get it.. |
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| 06:38.15 | stew | niaht: and if you make a deb on one system you can easily install it on many |
| 06:38.34 | tuv | Azar, well that's what happens when using stable.. a whole bunch of serious upgrades at once. they would be scattered over time in testing so you have your time working around each, if need be |
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| 06:38.35 | zood_ | how do I figure out info about the onboard wireless on my laptop? |
| 06:38.36 | dondelelcaro | in this case, you'd just dh-make-perl --build --cpan Statistics::Distribution; and dpkg -i ../libstatistics-distribution-perl_*.deb; |
| 06:38.37 | Azar | the day the etch CD comes out and ready for ordering, I will hook my spared PC and start learning |
| 06:39.13 | nite613_ | niaht: You're suggesting that I should definately need agpgart working? I unfortunately can't remember if it was working before my problem began |
| 06:39.33 | niaht | dondelelcaro: Understandable, though I sorta like having non-debian provided modules install in local, unless I spend the time to audit them a bit. |
| 06:39.58 | basanta | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:40.14 | dondelelcaro | niaht: a local install is a bit different; you can do that even with a .deb, frankly. |
| 06:40.15 | niaht | nite613_: It appears to be a common issue with i810, which seem to not have any memory of their own. But true, that could very well not be the issue. |
| 06:40.23 | dondelelcaro | basanta: DFSG, or Debian Free Software Guidelines |
| 06:40.43 | niaht | dondelelcaro: yes, quite reasonable. |
| 06:40.43 | dondelelcaro | basanta: it means that stuff has been removed from the orig.tar.gz because it doesn't meet the DFSG. |
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| 06:41.36 | dondelelcaro | niaht: the main reason why I just install them is because otherwise I'll forget in a few weeks what it was that I've got installed. |
| 06:41.49 | dondelelcaro | (that, and I often want the modules on multiple different systems) |
| 06:41.53 | Azar | hmm why Woody comes out in a 7CD set and Sarge in 14CD set? is Sarge bloated? wow how many CDs will Etch have? |
| 06:42.01 | nite613_ | niaht: Yeah, from descriptions I've read of what agpgart is and when it's used it makes sense to me. What's really getting me here is that Xorg is TELLING me that the display is 1024x768 and then won't let me use the resolution. Presumably because there isn't enough memory? This is where agpgart would help, but I can't seem to get it to work |
| 06:42.03 | basanta | dondelelcaro, but its there in unstable |
| 06:42.11 | dondelelcaro | Azar: it just has more packages. More packages means more CDs. |
| 06:42.13 | nite613_ | module loads, but no log messages and no working device at /dev/agpgart |
| 06:42.21 | dondelelcaro | basanta: are you using stable? |
| 06:42.30 | chealer9 | zood_: what kind of info? lspci? |
| 06:42.36 | Azar | dondelelcaro: ah some like KDE and other cosmetic stuff? |
| 06:42.48 | Kevin` | Azar everything |
| 06:42.49 | niaht | dondelelcaro: *nods*.. I do the same for packages/modules where that is true for me too.. Though my environment tends to have no more than one or two of any system set up for a particular need. |
| 06:42.52 | dondelelcaro | Azar: like more packages; we've got some 18 thousand of the things |
| 06:43.01 | Azar | wow, thanks good to know |
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| 06:43.17 | basanta | dondelelcaro, I use etch but but this specific package from unstable renders indic character properly, so I got this from unstable |
| 06:43.19 | niaht | dondelelcaro: creatures of convienient habit I suppose. |
| 06:43.22 | dondelelcaro | niaht: yeah, I tend to use 4-5 machines, and I have a slew of machiens that I have accounts on |
| 06:43.25 | Kevin` | I forgot why I was ehre |
| 06:43.38 | dondelelcaro | basanta: oh, well, you can use selected packages from unstable if you're careful |
| 06:44.08 | Azar | doing backporting is a skill.. |
| 06:44.08 | basanta | dondelelcaro, yes it does install and meets all the dependencies from etch |
| 06:44.48 | basanta | dondelelcaro, so do you mean it will be removed from unstable in future ? |
| 06:44.49 | Azar | dondelelcaro said it well: if you are careful |
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| 06:46.37 | zood_ | chealer9, I'm trying to verify that I've got prism2 wireless. Oddly I don't seem to see anything with lspci that's obviously a wireless interface |
| 06:46.42 | izzyb | I'm reading over these instructions on setting up raid1 on an existing system -->http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/238 |
| 06:46.57 | niaht | nite613_: That is the general consensus I've located as well |
| 06:47.20 | izzyb | question, is it really necessary to copy the data from the active partition to the new mirror partition before doing the mdadm -add? |
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| 06:47.41 | chealer9 | zood_: what does # discover ethernet; output? |
| 06:47.42 | nite613_ | niaht: Most of the threads I see about agpgart show it logging success/unsuccess of finding a device. For me it just logs one line: Linux agpgart interface v0.100 (c) Dave Jones |
| 06:47.59 | izzyb | doesn't the recovery process take care of mirroring the data when you add the second device? |
| 06:48.01 | Azar | zood_: try this: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
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| 06:48.40 | zood_ | chealer9, Intel Corporation 82557/8/9 [Ethernet Pro 100]. But I'm using the wireless right now so I know it's there |
| 06:49.06 | somePriest | If I install a pakcage from binary, is it possible to see what options it was compiled with? For instance, I'd like to know if ICEWM was compiled with --enable-corefonts |
| 06:49.07 | niaht | ohhh yes.. i have this evil ati card using fglrx |
| 06:49.09 | foo | I want to install the source for the kernel version I am running. I am on 2.6.15-1-686 ... I got the kernel source for 2.6.15 .. .but apparently it doesn't match (I am trying to install vmware and I keep getting: What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running kernel? ... ) - any ideas? |
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| 06:49.45 | chealer9 | zood_: OK, normally I thought your wireless card should show, unless the fact that it's onboard changes something :? |
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| 06:50.16 | somePriest | niaht, That's no fun, I've been there. I found 20 tutorials telling me 20 different ways to install fglry, and only one seemed to work. I should have wrote it down. |
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| 06:50.29 | somePriest | s/fglry/fglrx/ |
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| 06:51.13 | izzyb | foo do an apt-cache search kernel-source and install the one for the kernel you are running |
| 06:51.20 | niaht | somePriest: I suppose I should write one then.. Both my systems with them work fine.. but it sure doesn't help me when helping others.. |
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| 06:52.25 | zood_ | Azar, yeah, that link doesn't seem to give me any info on my wireless. But good to know |
| 06:52.39 | foo | izzyb: linux-source .. I think you mean. hmm |
| 06:52.49 | fedya | does anyone know of a good exim tutorial, particularly i'm interested in setting up a web interface to be able to add users, looked at MA, is there any others? |
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| 06:53.57 | niaht | fedya: if you find any Exim tutorials that are useful, wake me up plz.. |
| 06:53.59 | Zugschlus | fedya: an _exim_ tutorial will not include information about web interfaces |
| 06:54.08 | Zugschlus | exim is an MTA, nothing else |
| 06:54.10 | izzyb | foo, don't think so, at least on my system kernel-source has the desired effect |
| 06:54.27 | foo | izzyb: kernel-source works for systems prior to 2.6.12 IIRC |
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| 06:55.22 | izzyb | foo, could be. I still have a 2.4 here. although I do see kernel-source-2.6.8 in my list |
| 06:55.31 | foo | izzyb: Right. |
| 06:55.33 | izzyb | hmm, guess I need to do an apt-get update |
| 06:56.04 | niaht | nite613_: intel_agp? |
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| 06:56.22 | izzyb | foo, linux-source doesn't return anything for me |
| 06:56.44 | foo | izzyb: Because you are on sarge |
| 06:58.56 | nite613_ | niaht: will try. I'm going backwards though. I rebooted and now my mouse is gone again. /etc/init.d/hotplug restart seemed to bring it back last time, but now it doesn't :( I'm so sad, usually only windows breaks randomly on me |
| 06:59.04 | zood_ | If I can't get `iwlist eth1 scan` to work, how can I scan for essid's? |
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| 06:59.09 | wireddd | izzyb, haveing things break helps you learn alot about how they work... |
| 06:59.23 | nite613_ | niaht: Hay! intel_agp gave promising loopking messages! |
| 06:59.28 | niaht | woot!!! |
| 06:59.29 | izzyb | lol :) very true. |
| 06:59.51 | niaht | nite613_: Check out this thread: http://kerneltrap.org/node/1896 |
| 07:00.17 | fedya | well i was asking the chan if anyone knows of any other web interfaces for adding users for email accounts, such as setting quota, etc |
| 07:00.51 | fedya | and i was looking for a basic guide to setting up exim, just to make sure i did it right, i set mine up a long time ago and don't remember much about it |
| 07:00.52 | izzyb | fedya, only one I've played with is webmin/virtualmin |
| 07:01.00 | izzyb | but I don't think it works with exam |
| 07:01.00 | niaht | fedya: if you use an sql database backend, you can write a simple one in php or somethin... |
| 07:01.09 | fedya | webmin seems to be outdated |
| 07:01.16 | fedya | the apache module doesn't even recognize apache2 |
| 07:01.25 | fedya | well hell i didn't even recognize apache2 |
| 07:01.36 | fedya | i kept trying to go to /etc/apache, didn't realize it's not /etc/apache2 |
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| 07:01.57 | niaht | webmin is a nice concept, but it feels like a gigantic hodge/pach/kludge |
| 07:02.03 | fedya | haha yea |
| 07:02.06 | nite613_ | What module must be loaded for /dev/psaux ? |
| 07:02.08 | fedya | i'm thinking about removing it |
| 07:02.18 | izzyb | yeah, apache2 is still young. it takes time for the supporting tools to catch up |
| 07:02.49 | nite613_ | mousedev seemed to do it. Now for X... *crosses fingers* |
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| 07:03.28 | niaht | nite613_: psaux I think is actually the name of the module. I habitually build it into my kernels. |
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| 07:04.07 | izzyb | I can't say as I'm a big fan of webmin. I've been bitten many times by it, but I don't know of anything better |
| 07:04.16 | wireddd | anyone know where I can get a version of sauerbraten in a deb? |
| 07:04.26 | fedya | and that whole /var/www/apache2-default mess caught me off guard |
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| 07:04.50 | niaht | izzyb: true true. |
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| 07:04.55 | fedya | how about a guide to setting up exim |
| 07:04.59 | fedya | i think i have it working |
| 07:05.00 | zood_ | Thanks and g'night folks |
| 07:05.26 | fedya | but i'm trying to set it up for mta for a domain, but i don't want to change the mx record until i'm sure that it's working |
| 07:05.32 | fedya | any hints on testing it and such? |
| 07:05.36 | bobibleyboo | hey does anybody have any recommendations about software for raid 5? |
| 07:05.44 | niaht | wireddd: forgive me, but somehow your request made me hungry and I must now go purchase bratwurst and sauerkraut. |
| 07:05.49 | litage | if you background multiple processes with CTRL+Z, how can you get a list of them? |
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| 07:05.55 | sep | bobibleyboo, software ? mdadm you mean |
| 07:05.56 | jm_ | litage: jobs |
| 07:05.58 | fedya | jobs |
| 07:06.02 | wireddd | heh |
| 07:06.08 | litage | thanks jm_ |
| 07:06.11 | nite613_ | niaht: Hmmm, starting X with intel_agp loaded seems to make the screen turn black and then I can't get an X screen or back to my console :( |
| 07:06.17 | izzyb | niaht, I tend to prefer doing my own config, and don't care for most config utils, but sadly, I have users that request stuff like this |
| 07:06.20 | fedya | that only works in bash i believe? |
| 07:06.21 | nite613_ | Though I'll try agin from a fresh boot |
| 07:06.29 | bobibleyboo | evms lvm mdadmin what do you guys like? |
| 07:06.39 | niaht | nite613_: I hate to say it, but that is a wee bit of progress, as black as it appears. |
| 07:06.46 | wireddd | nite613_, ctl+alt+f1 doesn't work? |
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| 07:07.10 | nite613_ | wireddd: nope |
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| 07:07.16 | niaht | izzyb: yap.. not everyone was born to bash. |
| 07:07.17 | nite613_ | Hmmm, X -probeonly looks promising, though! |
| 07:07.27 | Kevin` | oh I remember why I was here |
| 07:07.34 | niaht | s/born/borne/ |
| 07:07.38 | Kevin` | how do I get java working with firefox (etch) |
| 07:07.42 | izzyb | bobibleyboo, lvm doesn't do raid, never heard of evms, mdadmin is what I'm using for raid1 |
| 07:07.45 | erudified | I've got a not-really-debian-specific sysadmin question: I've got a big site I want to manage with svn. The -only- way (for reasons beyond my control) to access the testing server is an ftp upload, so I want to set up an svn server between my network and the testing server. Can anyone think of a reason why comparing timestamps with the files on the server (wget can do this) and uploading the svn codebase into the ftp server hourly, |
| 07:07.49 | nite613_ | It's telling me "Built-in mode "1024x768"", which it didn't say before |
| 07:07.51 | chealer9 | !tell Kevin` about firefox java |
| 07:07.58 | kkkkek | I have a question about the touch command -- is there a way to determine if a file's date was changed to make it look like it was created in in past using touch? |
| 07:07.59 | izzyb | niaht, very true :) |
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| 07:08.03 | niaht | evms rocks.. but I just don't have time to set it up 'my way' anymore. |
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| 07:08.21 | erudified | I'm just wondering if anyone sees data loss/clusterfucks occurring as a result of that sort of code management |
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| 07:09.05 | foo | Can I delete all the files in /var/cache/apt/archives ? |
| 07:09.10 | foo | is full .. |
| 07:09.12 | niaht | foo: yep |
| 07:09.17 | niaht | apt-get clean I think |
| 07:09.25 | foo | oh, nice. |
| 07:09.30 | wireddd | yeah apt-get clean |
| 07:09.36 | niaht | lol |
| 07:09.38 | nite613_ | OMG it's working! YAY! I need to manually load intel_agp and mousedev after boot, but then it works! |
| 07:10.02 | engineerdat | hi, i installed sarge on a box tonight, then installed the plone metapackage. i can browse to the zmi, but cant add a plone object...any insight? |
| 07:10.03 | Tsarin | hi all - I have a question about apt and the sources.list. when I add a new line with "testing" then apt-get upgrade wants to install an additional 44MB of packages. this is not working the way I would expect -- is there anyone here who can talk me through some of the basics of the sources.list ? |
| 07:10.03 | niaht | nite613_: That kerneltrap thread I pointed you to, will show you how to get it booting right into X |
| 07:10.18 | bobibleyboo | niaht, I have been using evms on a few servers for about 2 years but I just ended up with a corrupted raid 5 array after a cable connecting 2 of my drives died and I can not find an to rebuild it without losing all of the data so I was wondering if anything else was more robust. |
| 07:10.25 | izzyb | hmm, very interesting. I'll have to read up on evms. looks like it combines lvm and md into one |
| 07:10.39 | niaht | Someone point Tsarin to apt pin docs? |
| 07:10.42 | engineerdat | it worked earlier when i installed zope first, then plone separately |
| 07:10.43 | nite613_ | Wow, the screen looks a bit different than I'm used to, but it's pretty nice |
| 07:11.07 | Tsarin | pin docs? |
| 07:11.09 | niaht | bobibleyboo: hardware raid.. there is no substitute. |
| 07:11.22 | bobibleyboo | sorry that should be any to rebuild it |
| 07:11.29 | niaht | (shot in the dark) |
| 07:11.31 | nite613_ | and my synaptics scrolling is gone :( just problem after problem, but at least I have my display back |
| 07:11.31 | niaht | !apt-pin |
| 07:11.38 | niaht | hrm.. nope |
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| 07:11.56 | niaht | nite613_: you need to set up the synaptics driver in your x config |
| 07:12.07 | nite613_ | ya |
| 07:12.23 | bobibleyboo | niaht, do you know of any hardware raid 6 controllers that have drivers for linux? |
| 07:12.24 | nite613_ | actually, it is set up :( |
| 07:12.38 | niaht | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:12.50 | izzyb | bobibleyboo, I second that. hardware raid is the only answer |
| 07:13.18 | niaht | bobibleyboo: I live by 3ware 9xxx SATA cards, but I only do raid 5 right now |
| 07:13.57 | nite613_ | yep |
| 07:14.03 | niaht | I just got in my first set of the latest and greatest from 3ware.. had to download a custom amd64 debian netinstall for them... pretty nice of them to supply it I must say. |
| 07:14.14 | nite613_ | ooh, maybe I need evdev |
| 07:14.29 | nite613_ | oh, I have that too. |
| 07:14.53 | niaht | nite613_: I see I ended up using /dev/input/event1 for my synaptics. |
| 07:15.05 | bobibleyboo | niaht, do you know if they do the check summing in hardware or if they offload it to the host CPU? |
| 07:15.37 | izzyb | yeah, I've had good expriences with 3ware controllers. can't say much for Adaptec ones. linux support is limited at best |
| 07:16.26 | niaht | bobibleyboo: I think you just caught me in "uhhhh.. I just use da' car.. " mode. |
| 07:16.44 | stew | bobibleyboo: definately hardware |
| 07:16.51 | bobibleyboo | that is ok I will go RTFM thanks for the help |
| 07:17.00 | niaht | anytime... |
| 07:17.03 | bobibleyboo | ah cool thanks |
| 07:17.32 | Tsarin | I'd like to install plone from the testing distribution, but I've never had testing in my sources.list. So I added this line "deb http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian testing main" to sources.list. now when I run the command "sudo apt-get -u upgrade" - apt wants to install an additional 44MB by upgrading 79 packages ... I don't understand this. Are they going to get upgraded to the testing version? |
| 07:18.01 | fedya | is there a utility in the gui that allows you to add a user? |
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| 07:18.14 | niaht | Tsarin: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
| 07:18.17 | Erpo | My sound device used to be /dev/dsp, but I don't understand any of this new device stuff. Can anyone tell me where it is? |
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| 07:18.36 | Sonny | hi, can you tell me how to delete a profile of my amsn? |
| 07:18.44 | niaht | Erpo: /dev/dsp me thinks. |
| 07:18.49 | bobibleyboo | om |
| 07:18.55 | Erpo | I don't have a /dev/dsp. :( |
| 07:19.07 | niaht | Erpo: me thinks you have another issue then? |
| 07:19.12 | Tsarin | cool - I"ll read that - thank you |
| 07:19.19 | Erpo | And yet, my audio apps can play sounds. |
| 07:19.21 | niaht | Tsarin: it's a good start |
| 07:19.26 | stew | Erpo: modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
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| 07:19.33 | stew | Erpo: and put snd-pcm-oss into /etc/modules |
| 07:19.54 | niaht | Ohhh yes.. oss compat for alsa... |
| 07:20.12 | izzyb | niaht, thanks, I'd heard of pinning, but never got around to reading up on it ;) |
| 07:20.26 | stew | Tsarin: don't install testing pacakges onto stable, use a backport /msg dpkg backports |
| 07:20.35 | niaht | izzyb: very very worth it.. between preferences and apt.conf, beautiful things can begin to happen. |
| 07:20.52 | izzyb | :) |
| 07:21.20 | nite613_ | Yay, synaptics scrolling working by using /dev/input/event1 |
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| 07:21.31 | nite613_ | damn, I don't remember this all being so hard when I set it up initially. |
| 07:21.36 | niaht | nite613_: step by step :) |
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| 07:22.13 | Erpo | Of course! Add snd-pcm-oss to /etc/modules. Why didn't I think of that? ;) Thanks--it worked perfectly. |
| 07:22.33 | nite613_ | Almost there. I also noticed my network (ndiswrapper wlan card) isn't coming up on boot, either! I've never had such a disasterous upgrade before |
| 07:22.35 | niaht | nite613_: There has been significant flux over the last short while.. This sort of thing seems to happen every few years, and just when everything seems perfectly automated (thanks to our wonderful maintainers and crew).. everything changes... |
| 07:22.44 | Erpo | nite613_: You wouldn't happen to know how to get click and drag working with synaptics, would you? |
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| 07:23.16 | nite613_ | Erpo: nope, I just use the scroll-side feature, that's about it |
| 07:23.37 | niaht | Erpo: You mean by *double tapping* the pad? Ya know, I never had to do anything to get that much to work. (before I started using the synaptics driver) |
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| 07:24.06 | stew | Erpo: /msg dpkg synaptics |
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| 07:24.24 | Erpo | niaht: Yes, that's what I mean. *tripple tapping* sometimes works for a click and drag operation, but it's kinda finnicky. |
| 07:24.34 | litage | using passwd, how can you set a password in /etc/shadow to "*" (ie: so that the user can't login)? |
| 07:24.43 | niaht | Erpo: For 'finnicky' follow stew's suggestion to /msg dpkg synaptics |
| 07:24.56 | niaht | Erpo: Then you can tune the thing. |
| 07:25.18 | stew | Erpo: try adjusting MaxTapTime |
| 07:26.53 | engineerdat | i have a new box and ran an apt-get install plone, which installed a number of packages. when i do an apt-get remove plone -s, it says 1 package removed. how do i remove all the packages that were installed? |
| 07:27.12 | Tsarin | niaht: thank you -- that did the trick! |
| 07:27.17 | niaht | nite613_: What wlan card are you using (i've been rather successful getting many to work without ndis lately) |
| 07:27.40 | niaht | Tsarin: Quite welcome.. look for more on that topic via search engine. Other neat... nm :) |
| 07:28.09 | stew | engineerdat: if you use aptitude this is done for you automatically, if not you can try deborphan or debfoster. if you are on testing or unstable you can get a list of what was installed at the same time by looking at the dpkg log |
| 07:28.44 | niaht | engineerdat: or you can use apt-get remove plone\* or similar |
| 07:29.10 | niaht | engineerdat: ohhh nm.. I mis-read |
| 07:29.25 | niaht | engineerdat: That would only uninstall packages *starting* with plone |
| 07:29.44 | Sonny | what torrent client is good? |
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| 07:30.45 | engineerdat | stew, niaht, thanks |
| 07:31.24 | nite613_ | niaht: Broadcom something or other...uses the bcmwl5 driver with ndis |
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| 07:32.55 | Sonny | what torrent client is good? |
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| 07:34.55 | jm_ | stop repeating, try rtorrent |
| 07:36.01 | niaht | What's the behavior of an lvm2 snapshot when it becomes full? rather.. how disabled is 'disabled', readonly mount? no mount at all? what if already mounted? |
| 07:36.04 | samuel | sup all |
| 07:36.45 | samuel | anyone know why sound might work fine in every app i try except rhythmbox? is this a bug or could i have something misconfigured? |
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| 07:37.37 | samuel | funny thing is that it works fine when esd is killed |
| 07:37.40 | samuel | but not before |
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| 07:38.08 | niaht | samuel: my guess it that esd is blocking the dev it wants to use. |
| 07:38.52 | fooz | niaht, I don't know if it shuts it off, but a "full" snapshot wouldn't be coherent anymore |
| 07:38.55 | samuel | niaht, but why do totem and xmms, etc still work? without esd gnome has no UI sounds... is there any way around this? |
| 07:39.05 | fooz | niaht, it would be unsafe to use it (if it allowed it) |
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| 07:40.33 | niaht | fooz: *nods*.. all I want to be able to do is mount it read-only, and take from it the cow written files that occurred before it became full. Hopefully it won't do a partial cow. |
| 07:40.45 | Zenox | How small is it possible to get Debian (I just have an 64 mb flashdisk available) and is there any howto or similar that discribes the procedure? |
| 07:40.55 | fooz | niaht, well just make a snapshot big enough that it won't get full |
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| 07:41.15 | fooz | you'd have to be doing extremely heavy disk writing to fill a 1GB+ snapshot, I think |
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| 07:41.33 | niaht | fooz: I would, except I have the need to make many snapshots over time, that I will remove (scripted) after a defined retention time. (file server) |
| 07:42.00 | izzyb | Zenox, I seem to recall a number of articals posted at digg.com re getting small distros to run on flash disks. maybe try a search over there |
| 07:42.12 | niaht | fooz: Not in my environment (graphic designers working with large illustrator/ps files) |
| 07:42.15 | fooz | well what you should do is, make a snapshot, copy it somewhere (maybe with dump or e2image to save space?) then destroy the snapshot |
| 07:42.33 | izzyb | I ment to check them out myself, but never got further then digging them ;( |
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| 07:42.54 | Zenox | izzyb: Ah okay, thanks for the link. I'll try searching there. |
| 07:43.16 | fooz | niaht, consider that every write in the original would use up about the same amount of space in your snapshot |
| 07:43.39 | fooz | it doesn't make sense to keep the LVM snapshot for a long period. it's a temporary thing so you can run a backup then remove it |
| 07:43.50 | izzyb | Zenox, it's a very cool site if you haven't checked it out before. better then slashdot imho |
| 07:44.00 | fooz | if it's a big problem, just get massive disks :) |
| 07:44.33 | niaht | fooz: Yes, that is expected. I'm essentially mirroring a similar setup to what the netapp does, but now using the methods provided in newer samba 3, supporting the MS shadow_copy feature. |
| 07:45.01 | niaht | fooz: ehehe.. yaa.. my drive arrays are 1.2tb each. |
| 07:45.10 | fooz | niaht, if you make each snapshot as big as the original volume, they should never "fill" (that would make no sense!) |
| 07:45.22 | Zenox | izzyb: Yea I'm there now for the first time, seems like alot of nice info. Probably going to be a bookmark :) |
| 07:46.00 | niaht | fooz: that would be nifty, though inefficient. |
| 07:46.41 | niaht | time to beat up a vmware guest machine. |
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| 07:46.54 | izzyb | Zenox, it's well worth signing up so you can digg stories. it's like online bookmarks for all the latest tech news :) |
| 07:47.25 | Kevin` | it's cool.. crashed my computer once though |
| 07:47.30 | izzyb | mind you, I find I end up just searching instead of looking through my dugg stories |
| 07:47.41 | niaht | fooz: nice eh? I've been running GSX on a number of servers for a while now.. it is 'wunderlicious' |
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| 07:47.55 | Kevin` | debian uses pam right? |
| 07:48.00 | niaht | Kevin: yup |
| 07:48.04 | fooz | it sounds cool. I'll be glad if it can run OpenSolaris and Windows (which I want to play with) |
| 07:48.10 | izzyb | vmware is now free? /me wonders what rock I've been sleeping under! |
| 07:48.15 | niaht | fooz: no problem with windows. |
| 07:48.17 | Kevin` | installing vmware server on a computer without pam wasn't fun :/ |
| 07:48.20 | fooz | izzyb, vmware server (formerly VMWare GSX Server) |
| 07:48.31 | Kevin` | vmware server BETA |
| 07:48.41 | niaht | Kevin: Try installing vmware server on an amd64 system. |
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| 07:49.09 | izzyb | hmm, maybe this is my chance to check it out :) |
| 07:49.20 | fooz | vmware player's free of course too |
| 07:49.34 | niaht | The solution for vmware/amd64/pam is simply, yet not always obvious first pass. |
| 07:49.35 | fooz | Kevin`, you're right, probably won't stay free |
| 07:49.41 | niaht | s/simply/simple/ |
| 07:50.12 | fooz | still, soon they're gonna be competing with versions of Xen that can do the same thing |
| 07:50.19 | fooz | when the new virtualizable Intel/AMD CPUs come out |
| 07:50.31 | `Rage | anyone know why a route added with "route -A inet6 add 2000::/3 dev xs26-0" wouldn't show up when you type 'route' ? |
| 07:50.33 | niaht | fooz: tried out xen? How's it? |
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| 07:50.41 | fooz | xen's cool but it moves so fast |
| 07:50.55 | fooz | it's got some powerful features |
| 07:51.08 | fooz | and it's completely Free |
| 07:51.09 | Kevin` | I couldn't figure out how to compile/patch the kernels for xen |
| 07:51.17 | izzyb | well, time for a reboot to test my raid comes back, then I'll probably hit the sack. thanks everyone for the help and the info. /me has lots more to read now :) |
| 07:51.20 | fooz | Kevin`, well they mean for you to use their Makefile to build them automatically |
| 07:51.28 | fooz | but it's not hard to build em |
| 07:51.37 | fooz | there's no "patch" exactly. you run a script that copies arch/xen into your kernel source |
| 07:51.43 | fooz | and make ARCH=xen config |
| 07:51.45 | fooz | and that's it |
| 07:52.04 | Kevin` | is that for host or guest? |
| 07:52.14 | niaht | sorta like uml no? |
| 07:52.16 | fooz | both. Xen is itself an OS, you need to convert Linux to run under it |
| 07:52.31 | fooz | Xen's like a microkernel almost |
| 07:52.50 | fooz | it's most like VMWare ESX Server |
| 07:52.59 | niaht | (not speaking of virtualization vs. compartmentalization) |
| 07:53.01 | fooz | except instead of emulating a PC, it virtualizes one |
| 07:53.34 | fooz | Anyway, you can take your native kernel config and just build it in Xen, only a few drivers are not supported (and those eventually get fixed) |
| 07:53.43 | fooz | like for a while floppy didn't work (no DMA support) but I think it does now |
| 07:53.58 | nite613_ | Oh FFS, my mouse if ^$#&'ed again. Seems I load mousedev manually after boot it's okay, but if I put it in /etc/modules it doesn't work. |
| 07:54.08 | fooz | the 'domain 0' OS is the main one. It can be any OS Xen supports (Linux, NetBSD, FreeBSD, OpenSolaris) |
| 07:54.15 | fooz | same with any of the guests of course |
| 07:54.32 | niaht | I think RH announced recently providing a boxed xen solution (though I'll never use it, still probably a good thing) |
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| 07:55.02 | fooz | domain 0 shares its resources to guests via Xen. So Xen itself doesn't contain any hardware drivers, it lets Linux control the hardware and just helps share resources |
| 07:55.16 | sparr | I want to figure out why 3d graphics stutter on my PC. I remember it not happening, but I do not know when it started. Every few seconds to a minute it just freezes for up to half a second, at random. Even glxgears does it. All the 2d and input stuff still works fine in a 'mixed' environment like glxgears on top of X, but in 'fully 3d' games everything freezes for that short time. help? |
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| 07:55.34 | fooz | You can make any network device, any file, any disk partition, appear as a device in a guest (say as a NIC or a full drive) |
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| 07:56.17 | niaht | sparr: Have you checked to be sure your system isn't overloaded in some other way? (daemons you've installed, apps running otherwise..) |
| 07:56.28 | fooz | niaht, SuSE already has Xen right out-of-the-box. Some VPS hosting companies just install SuSE and they're ready to host client virtual dedicated servers |
| 07:56.31 | Kevin` | can you share pci devices (say, a wifi card that uses dma) |
| 07:56.39 | niaht | fooz: sweet |
| 07:56.44 | fooz | Kevin`, Yep. You just tell the domain 0 to ban that card and you can let any guest use it |
| 07:56.53 | fooz | Kevin`, then, of course, domain 0 can't use it obviously |
| 07:57.05 | sparr | niaht: yes. nothing that i can find. how might you check? |
| 07:57.13 | fooz | one idea behind Xen (though not implemented) was to have a separate domain per each driver |
| 07:57.16 | fooz | the machine would be bulletproof |
| 07:57.18 | caffei | fooz, is there much of a performance impact with Linux on Xen vs. Linux without it? |
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| 07:57.41 | caffei | oh wait, I don't think nvidia's driver works with it. nm :) |
| 07:57.44 | fooz | caffei, Guests are extremely fast, there's like a 1-8% performance hit (according to Xen) |
| 07:57.44 | niaht | sparr: watching over top/ps, checking available memory (/proc/meminfo) |
| 07:58.12 | caffei | fooz, not too bad. I think I'll hold off until I need more than multiple X servers and qemu/vmware, though ;^) |
| 07:58.25 | niaht | sparr: Other changes you've made since it worked (new versions of drivers, X, etc) |
| 07:58.35 | fooz | Xen beats vmware in a lot of ways |
| 07:58.45 | caffei | except that xen can't run windows |
| 07:58.47 | fooz | well, not ESX, but that's severely expensive |
| 07:58.51 | Kevin` | fooz, is there virtual networking like qemu, vmware have? |
| 07:58.54 | fooz | caffei, soon it'll be able to |
| 07:58.55 | fooz | Kevin`, yep |
| 07:59.03 | caffei | fooz, seriously? o_O nice |
| 07:59.13 | sparr | niaht: new versions of everything. i havent gamed in a long time |
| 07:59.22 | fooz | caffei, it'll require the latest CPU from Intel or AMD though (with the virtualization extensions, Pacifica, or whatever it's called) |
| 07:59.22 | sparr | niaht: its too fast to catch on top |
| 07:59.25 | caffei | fooz, on Intel's new VMM hardware only,? |
| 07:59.26 | caffei | fooz, ah |
| 07:59.31 | caffei | damn |
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| 07:59.59 | fooz | VMWare already wrote something just like Xen but that does emulation. someone (Fabrice Bellard :D) should add emulation to Xen |
| 08:00.12 | fooz | would be keen |
| 08:00.29 | niaht | sparr: then you likely have some work ahead of you to ensure your gl drivers / video drivers / kernel config etc.. are well set up. Also, if you stopped gaming for a while, and started working (like.. say.. um.. you decided to develop java servlets in tomcat), you may have installed some services... |
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| 08:01.41 | sparr | niaht: /proc/meminfo says MemTotal: 1036 MB, MemFree: 233 MB, Buffers: 52 MB |
| 08:01.58 | sparr | 80% not-free seems a bit much considering what i have running |
| 08:02.51 | niaht | sparr: that *can* be a bit deceptive, but still.. |
| 08:02.59 | stew | sparr: you have to subtract Cached |
| 08:03.03 | nvz_ | so you'd rather the kernel under buget the ram and keep swapping out slowing performance when there is plenty of memory available? |
| 08:03.36 | SlayerXP | sparr: any time your computer is not using 100% of available physical memory, it's wasting resources. |
| 08:03.49 | menko | hey people, I'm recompiling my kernel for win4lin, are there any other patches I should add while I'm at it? |
| 08:04.03 | sparr | top sorted by memory usage doesnt show anything unexpected... |
| 08:04.05 | sparr | SlayerXP: duh |
| 08:04.25 | sparr | nvz: no, id rather the apps i have open not use that much memory at all... |
| 08:04.54 | Kevin` | what do you have open |
| 08:04.55 | stew | sparr: do you understand what the Cached part of /proc/meminfo is? |
| 08:04.58 | niaht | hopefully you never see much of any swap usage at all. |
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| 08:05.40 | stew | niaht: no, that's not true, if you never swap, you are under utilizing your memory and should consider increasing your swappiness |
| 08:06.04 | stew | niaht: if you swap out memory that isnt' being used, you can use that memory for disk cache |
| 08:06.19 | niaht | stew: *nods*.. not never, no.. just not heavily. |
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| 08:06.21 | sparr | Kevin`: intentionally? X, openbox, kvirc, obpager, pypanel |
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| 08:09.08 | niaht | hrm.. 'free' seems useful. somewhat less than half my memory is 'free', when considering buffers/cache. |
| 08:10.31 | sparr | culprit found |
| 08:10.33 | sparr | APACHE! |
| 08:10.37 | niaht | :) |
| 08:10.46 | sparr | why on earth would it make my 3d stutter?? |
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| 08:10.59 | niaht | jealousy? |
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| 08:11.56 | niaht | swappiness? |
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| 08:12.17 | sparr | why on earth would it make my 3d stutter when no one is accessing my web server? |
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| 08:12.27 | sparr | the last entry in my access.log is over an hour ago |
| 08:12.45 | Kevin` | web server + 3d? |
| 08:12.45 | Neverth | All books are 3 characters. Check syntax and try again |
| 08:12.47 | niaht | I'm just happy as long as I can play tuxracer, or whatever it is called now. |
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| 08:13.02 | sparr | Kevin`: yes? |
| 08:13.07 | sparr | niaht: i cant play tuxracer |
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| 08:13.19 | Kevin` | mm |
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| 08:13.29 | niaht | (and still have apache+postgres+everything-else running) |
| 08:13.32 | sparr | its not really a web 'server' |
| 08:13.33 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 08:13.34 | dpkg | hmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 08:13.48 | sparr | its just that i happen to run an httpd so people can download random stuff from me |
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| 08:14.11 | sparr | guess i need to find a less hardware-abusive httpd... |
| 08:14.40 | niaht | sparr: time to tune up. apache itself is probably fine, just not as configured. |
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| 08:15.05 | sep | sparr, apache is not realy a once in a while webserver tho. use something ligth as thttpd or whatsnot |
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| 08:16.14 | tarzeau | anyone else get these: maple: fatal error, lost connection to kernel ? |
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| 08:17.51 | niaht | tarzeau: running out of memory? |
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| 08:18.34 | tarzeau | niaht: possibly |
| 08:18.57 | niaht | tarzeau: or at least limits placed on the process? |
| 08:19.23 | tarzeau | niaht: but it should'nt be that this user process kills the machine so badly that top doesn't work anymore |
| 08:19.27 | tarzeau | niaht: this linux sucks! |
| 08:19.36 | niaht | tarzeau: eek :) |
| 08:19.37 | tarzeau | (and oh well this application as well) |
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| 08:20.25 | tarzeau | niaht: i can reproduce this |
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| 08:20.38 | tarzeau | niaht: ps just hangs at one proc... it's really crap |
| 08:21.00 | sparr | sep: good point, ill pick something simpler. i dont do anything dynamic. hell, i dont even have web pages, just a few directory listings |
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| 08:21.26 | Kevin` | you could reduce the number of processes apache spawns for incoming connections |
| 08:21.37 | sep | sparr, so running apache is like shooting birds with tomahawk cruise missiles :) |
| 08:21.53 | Kevin` | it's fun? |
| 08:21.53 | nvz | s/birds/bees/ |
| 08:22.00 | sep | nvz, point :) |
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| 08:22.18 | niaht | Mr B would be proud. |
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| 08:22.38 | nvz | I feel like crap |
| 08:22.42 | Supaplex | unload all the crap modules you're not using |
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| 08:22.51 | lavi | no, b will be feel his money. |
| 08:23.10 | niaht | (; |
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| 08:23.15 | Supaplex | nvz: that should be eazy to prepare. |
| 08:23.25 | nvz | eh? |
| 08:23.45 | niaht | ok.. yaa. maple is kinda scary |
| 08:23.51 | Supaplex | nvz: crap. with a side of rice and beans. |
| 08:24.03 | nvz | bleh |
| 08:24.25 | sparr | Kevin`: the problem occurs when there are no connections |
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| 08:24.42 | nvz | I"d be real sick right now if I actually had anything in me but I've been sleeping for like 12 hours :P |
| 08:24.55 | nvz | I am probably dehydrated and hungry as a hostage |
| 08:25.02 | Kevin` | yes, i'm saying reduce the amount of.. preparedness apache keeps |
| 08:25.07 | niaht | sparr: what amount of resource is used by the idling apache? (all apache procs) |
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| 08:25.35 | lavi | god for nvz |
| 08:25.53 | lavi | wish you good quickly. |
| 08:26.05 | niaht | sparr: look at it over a period of time (when nobody is connecting) memory, cpu spikes, disk activity. |
| 08:26.32 | niaht | (or get simple and do the lightweight thing) |
| 08:26.38 | sparr | look at it how? |
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| 08:26.59 | niaht | the usual system tools. |
| 08:27.01 | sparr | i cant see that its using any resources othat than 0.2% of my memory according to top |
| 08:27.09 | nvz | I gotta go find a job or something to complicate my life.. cause this is what i'll do when I am working on my own. nothing. :P |
| 08:27.11 | sparr | s/othat/other/ |
| 08:27.58 | Kevin` | nvz make me a php/cgi upload script, while your doing nothing |
| 08:28.19 | nvz | hmm... no idea how that works |
| 08:28.21 | niaht | For shame Kevin.. give him something worth his talents at least :) |
| 08:28.34 | Kevin` | install gentoo for me |
| 08:28.37 | Kevin` | er |
| 08:28.41 | Kevin` | wrong channel to say that :) |
| 08:28.54 | nvz | I know it involves multipart form data |
| 08:29.09 | niaht | Kevin: ehehe. .though, again, maybe not.. take a poll of debian devs on what OS they use for devel. |
| 08:29.23 | nvz | I could probably do it in python if I wanted to.. I am not feeling motivated though |
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| 08:31.09 | niaht | php makes upload scripts trivial imho. |
| 08:31.24 | nvz | I've never even looked at php |
| 08:31.31 | Kevin` | well i'll accept any non-trivial cgi script too |
| 08:31.58 | nvz | but CGI in python I've done before, and its pretty simple |
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| 08:32.17 | jm_ | upload is trivial in PHP, you can find plenty of examples on the net |
| 08:32.41 | niaht | nvz: worth a look in my opinion. |
| 08:33.00 | nvz | last thing I made was an email delivery CGI script in python.. I was thinking about making some python CGI scripts just to do normal tasks on my system so I can make user interfaces with markup languages :P |
| 08:33.13 | niaht | lol |
| 08:33.34 | nvz | though the complexity of the toolkit isnt what prevents me from putting a face on things |
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| 08:33.38 | rhalff_ | how do I get webdav support in galeon ? it supposed to support it but dav:// gives me unregistered protocol. |
| 08:33.47 | nvz | its the deciding on where the hell to put the widgets and shit |
| 08:34.08 | deadcat | ootput: i got my bag (= |
| 08:34.18 | ootput | oh, the messenger? |
| 08:34.22 | deadcat | ya |
| 08:34.23 | ootput | i ended up settling for a crumpler |
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| 08:34.46 | sep | nvz, whell whats stopping you from getting a job ? |
| 08:34.53 | deadcat | ootput: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/2006/20060320_timbuk2/ |
| 08:34.55 | nvz | its 3:34am |
| 08:35.02 | Kevin` | jm_ trivial maybe, but it's more about lazyness then the actual difficulty of the coding |
| 08:35.06 | nvz | kinda gotta wait until HR staff is around |
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| 08:35.30 | nvz | I just got laid off the other day |
| 08:36.00 | ootput | deadcat: oh, that's sweet |
| 08:36.00 | niaht | They laid you off and went on vacation? |
| 08:36.18 | ootput | i don't think they missed him much |
| 08:36.24 | niaht | yaa.. not a good sign. |
| 08:37.15 | sep | nvz, well it's good to get up in the morning since maintaining a normal daily rythem is essential to prevent dulling thwe mind. but dont you think yuor overdoing it a bit ? |
| 08:37.20 | deadcat | ootput: its pretty nice.. fucking metawire is STILL down eh? |
| 08:37.24 | sep | :) |
| 08:37.31 | ootput | deadcat: yeah :( |
| 08:37.39 | niaht | rhalff_: I know zip about galeon, but have you checked that the version you are using supports webdav? |
| 08:37.45 | ootput | deadcat: i haven't added any screenshots |
| 08:37.50 | nvz | sep: I couldnt possibly sleep anymore.. well maybe I could if my bed wasnt so crooked and there was someone sexy in it |
| 08:37.54 | ootput | deadcat: i did add a part about my transition to emacs, though |
| 08:37.59 | nvz | sep: other than me that is |
| 08:38.16 | deadcat | ootput: damn. to emacs? |
| 08:38.16 | sep | nvz, if there was someone sexy it you would _not_ want to sleep. |
| 08:38.40 | ootput | deadcat: yeah, found out (after actually trying to learn it,) that it was more suitable for me |
| 08:38.51 | deadcat | cool |
| 08:38.55 | nvz | yeah well.. I would get tired again a lot faster than sitting here |
| 08:39.42 | rhalff_ | niaht, uhm let me check :) |
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| 08:40.19 | nvz | I may have to take that bed apart and take the metal frame outside and beat it with the sledge hammer |
| 08:40.25 | deadcat | ootput: talk to you later dude. i need to shower then write a paper which due tomorrow. (= |
| 08:41.04 | ootput | deadcat: yeah, hope you hand in your shower on time , and clean up well in class |
| 08:41.39 | nvz | heh |
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| 08:42.24 | chattie | is there a way to make syslog not accept incoming syslog messages? |
| 08:42.36 | niaht | chattie: turn it off? |
| 08:42.55 | ma3x | hello, I want to update to the newest version of mplayer, but I'm afraid marillat's player is cvs20060219 which is more than one month old. How can I update to the newest one without manually building? |
| 08:42.58 | jm_ | chattie: yes, disable it |
| 08:43.38 | tarzeau | ma3x: build it manually |
| 08:43.39 | niaht | ma3x: search for an alternative repository? |
| 08:43.51 | nvz | !sns syndrome |
| 08:43.51 | dpkg | sns syndrome is, like, a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Software Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 08:43.58 | tarzeau | niaht: easier to make your own repository |
| 08:44.02 | niaht | ma3x: maybe someone else is more industrious. |
| 08:44.07 | niaht | tarzeau: :) |
| 08:44.18 | chattie | jm_, but i would like to use syslog for my local system, but i don't want other users redirect syslog traffic to my machine, because it looks like my system blindly accepts other syslog messages |
| 08:44.18 | tarzeau | Azar: which package? |
| 08:44.24 | ma3x | when I build it manually, then it's not into dpkg's list |
| 08:44.33 | tarzeau | ma3x: you know debuild? |
| 08:44.36 | niaht | ma3x: that would be correct. |
| 08:44.42 | ma3x | and when I try to install other packages, they're dependent on mplayer |
| 08:44.43 | tarzeau | ma3x: it has an outdated, ugly debian/* |
| 08:44.43 | Azar | it is called djb-tarzeau-installer |
| 08:44.49 | tarzeau | Azar: die! die! |
| 08:44.53 | Azar | :) |
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| 08:45.18 | ma3x | tarzeau, what's debuild? |
| 08:45.27 | tarzeau | !debuild |
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| 08:45.33 | nvz | yeah I think the rest of my mental processes just came back online and informed me that I am in fact hungry and dehydrated |
| 08:45.34 | niaht | chattie: firewall? read up on syslog configuration? |
| 08:45.47 | tarzeau | ma3x: www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/debian-packaging |
| 08:45.57 | sambrista | hello! Does anyone knows how to change the computer's name_ |
| 08:45.59 | sambrista | ?? |
| 08:46.09 | ma3x | sambrista, hostname? |
| 08:46.11 | Azar | jm_ 's is called libhtml-jm-perl |
| 08:46.21 | sambrista | ma3x: yes |
| 08:46.43 | Azar | dpkg went to bed |
| 08:47.00 | niaht | sambrista: /etc/hostname ... literally |
| 08:47.27 | sambrista | niaht: thanks, i was looking for /etc/hosts |
| 08:47.27 | jm_ | chattie: sure, it will work just fine, remote availability is separate option |
| 08:47.36 | niaht | sambrista: close enough :) |
| 08:47.38 | sambrista | niaht: but it doesn't existed |
| 08:48.00 | sambrista | bye and thanks! |
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| 08:48.29 | niaht | sambrista will likely be back soon. |
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| 08:49.46 | nvz | so this is why they invented cereal.. for when you cant decide if you are more hungy, thirsty, tired, or lazy |
| 08:50.07 | sether | hey. i was able to install flashplugin-nonfree but it seems firefox does not recognize it is installed. is there a way to make firefox see it? i am using Debian stable |
| 08:50.18 | niaht | cereal has been an important part of my life. |
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| 08:50.41 | nvz | I normally rather eat something with more substance.. but I dont feel too hot right now |
| 08:50.51 | niaht | sether: perchance did you restart firefox? |
| 08:51.03 | nvz | in the off chance I will have to see what ever I am eating again later, I am taking precautions |
| 08:51.09 | sether | niaht: yes. firefox was not even open while i installed flash |
| 08:51.45 | poks | what good cdburning-gui's like k3b there are for gnome ? |
| 08:52.11 | sether | poks: nautilus-cd-burner |
| 08:52.19 | poks | sether: thanks |
| 08:52.48 | nvz | thats more of a nautilus extension than a full blown cdrecord frontend |
| 08:52.56 | sether | true |
| 08:52.59 | nvz | last I checked it only supported data cds |
| 08:53.08 | sether | xcdrecord is more of the full-blown ones |
| 08:53.12 | sether | uses gtk |
| 08:53.21 | niaht | nvz: there is (for me) nothing like a bowl of golden grahams when I'm feeling icky/sad/nostalgic |
| 08:53.56 | sether | anyways, i think i have to make a symlink in ~/.mozilla/plugins, but i'm not sure what needs to be symlinked there, or if that will even work |
| 08:54.26 | nvz | the sugar isnt really settling well but once I get it down I am sure it will be better.. my taste buds are geting sensory overload right now |
| 08:54.34 | niaht | sether, I don't think it should need that. (at least, it works here and I don't) |
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| 08:56.12 | shaibn | Hi :) can someone tell me who can help me with a raid5 issue? |
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| 08:56.54 | shaibn | I get a lot of: raid5: switching cache buffer size, 512 --> 4096 |
| 08:56.59 | shaibn | on the console |
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| 08:57.05 | niaht | libflashplayer.so appears to live in /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree and is linked to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/, /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins, and firefox is appropriately configured, noscript set to allow for the page I want to view... etc etc. |
| 08:57.44 | chealer9 | sether: do you have a /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/libflashplayer.so |
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| 08:58.09 | sether | chealer9: nope |
| 08:58.55 | niaht | sether, most importantly, do you have /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so |
| 08:59.06 | sether | chealer9: i was using Debian 3.1 when it first came out, used the same procedure to install flash and firefox, and it worked. i've switched away from and back to Debian 3.1, and now it doesn't work |
| 08:59.08 | nvz | damn, blew my nose and now its bleeding.. thats never happened before. :P probably only the 2nd time I've ever had my nose bleed in my life |
| 08:59.26 | sether | niaht: nope, don't have that either |
| 08:59.38 | sether | flashplugin-nonfree says it's installed, too. |
| 08:59.39 | niaht | sether: it's not fully installed, that's for sure. |
| 08:59.44 | sether | yeah |
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| 09:00.03 | niaht | update-flashplugin |
| 09:00.08 | sether | okay |
| 09:00.36 | niaht | I don't think I've ever manually executed that. |
| 09:00.48 | niaht | I probably have a *very* old version of flash installed too. |
| 09:00.50 | nvz | hmm maybe it wasnt my nose bleeding, or it would still be bleeding I reckon false alarm |
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| 09:01.00 | sether | yes, it executed that when i installed flashplugin-nonfree |
| 09:01.03 | niaht | nvz: is it dry where you are? |
| 09:01.16 | sether | i executed that right now, and it said, "No new version detected" |
| 09:01.22 | sether | so it did nothing. :/ |
| 09:01.43 | niaht | locate libflash possibly | grep "\.so" |
| 09:02.26 | nvz | niaht: well its cold and snowy outside.. but its probably pretty warm and dry in this room. |
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| 09:02.50 | niaht | if it's snowing outside, the humidity is probably pretty low. |
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| 09:04.26 | TraceGreen | hello, how can i get a string's crc32 in linux? |
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| 09:04.32 | niaht | drink lots of water ( I tend to forget when I'm not at work) |
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| 09:06.07 | Andale | good morning |
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| 09:06.32 | Andale | I have a problem with a printer. Who can help me? |
| 09:06.50 | SlayerXP | Andale: people who are aware of the exact problem you're having can perhaps help you. |
| 09:06.55 | niaht | TraceGreen: cfv? |
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| 09:07.53 | niaht | hrm.. maybe not |
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| 09:08.27 | Andale | I am working in a factory. There is a networked printer. I have tried to configure kprinter |
| 09:08.54 | niaht | TraceGreen: There are a number of perl modules that one could use to create a simple helper script with... |
| 09:08.55 | sether | i've come to the conclusion that update-flashplugin is broken ever since Adobe acquired Macromedia. the site must have been restructured to make it impossible for update-flashplugin to download flashplayer from its original locatian |
| 09:08.59 | sether | i could be wrong though |
| 09:09.13 | niaht | sether, entirely possible. |
| 09:09.27 | niaht | Andale: have you tried cups? |
| 09:09.29 | sether | because i downloaded it manually and now everything works |
| 09:09.41 | sether | :) |
| 09:09.59 | TraceGreen | niaht, does c have such routine? or does linux has such tools that can help me to try first? |
| 09:10.08 | isleshocky71 | anyone know why I would be getting: mount: RPC: Program not registered when trying to mount one debian to another using |
| 09:10.16 | isleshocky71 | debian2:~# mount -t nfs -a System1:/home /mnt/System1/home/ |
| 09:10.19 | niaht | TraceGreen: Yes, such code exists and is readily available. |
| 09:10.59 | Andale | niaht: now I try. :) |
| 09:11.27 | niaht | Andale: kprinter can work hand in hand with cups, and it makes configuration rather easy. |
| 09:11.28 | TraceGreen | niaht, i try to man crc32 but no result, do you know which can help me? |
| 09:11.37 | niaht | TraceGreen, try google. |
| 09:11.54 | niaht | TraceGreen: It won't be system specific. |
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| 09:12.07 | tarzeau | !fish |
| 09:12.07 | dpkg | fish is, like, FISHFISHFISH! DO THE FISH DANCE! "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate, instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, why not read some docs, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered?, or http://edulinux.homeunix.org/fish.html |
| 09:12.08 | TraceGreen | ok. niaht |
| 09:12.16 | tarzeau | Azar: that was for you |
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| 09:13.14 | Andale | niaht: thanks :) |
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| 09:13.32 | niaht | TraceGreen: (if you enjoy parsing such things, there does happen to be some crc32 code in the linux kernel source) |
| 09:13.52 | [crazy_]penguin | can someone tell me if i can find something like subtitle workshop under linux? |
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| 09:14.17 | [crazy_]penguin | i searched the web whith google but i can't find anything |
| 09:14.19 | TraceGreen | niaht, oh... i don't want to . |
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| 09:14.52 | isleshocky71 | if anyone was looking in to it... nevermind.. it was my hosts.allow file |
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| 09:18.26 | wdamn | Hi, which player or plugin I need for playing .m4a audio files? |
| 09:19.17 | shaibn | anyone around that can help me with raid5 using mdadm ? |
| 09:19.33 | Andale | I must install a postscript driver. What must I do? (I'm sorry for my English :-) ) |
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| 09:20.00 | remy | Hi |
| 09:20.10 | niaht | TraceGreen: /lib/crc32.c in the kernel tree if you decide to look, also `locate crc32` will find the include file on your linux system. PHP has crc32 routines, as does python, perl... etc... |
| 09:20.40 | remy | When I do a apt-get --purge remove sendmail my /usr/share/sendmail and /etc/mail are not removed... |
| 09:20.50 | TraceGreen | ok, niaht |
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| 09:21.05 | jm_ | TraceGreen: cfv can do crc |
| 09:21.06 | remy | a reinstall of sendmail doesn't install any new configs?! |
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| 09:21.28 | niaht | Andale: apt-cache search cups postscript |
| 09:21.52 | TraceGreen | jm_, what do you mean? |
| 09:21.55 | niaht | jm_: can it do it on a string (alone) vs. a file? |
| 09:22.10 | Andale | niaht: thanks :) |
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| 09:22.28 | niaht | Andale: np |
| 09:22.30 | chealer9 | wdamn: m4a is just a container format |
| 09:22.31 | TraceGreen | jm_, i don't use perl. python, etc, should i just want to get "hello"'s crc32 to learn these language? |
| 09:23.06 | ma3x | when using: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us, how do I specify the extra options for the ./configure? like : --enable this or that ? |
| 09:23.28 | niaht | ma3x: iirc you must edit the debian/rules file. |
| 09:23.35 | ma3x | niaht, thanks! |
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| 09:25.22 | niaht | oof.. sleepy time.. night all |
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| 09:27.40 | wdamn | chealer9: so, what should I do? |
| 09:27.43 | stig_ | where's the xorg server fonts residing? |
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| 09:29.56 | ma3x | I can't figure this out: mplayerplug-in never never plays with my mplayer version, but only with marillat's |
| 09:30.04 | ma3x | I've tried thousand times, but couldn't get it working |
| 09:30.18 | ma3x | the plugin starts, connects to server to preview the video, and then it says " stopped " |
| 09:30.27 | ma3x | so where lies the problem? |
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| 09:34.12 | chealer9 | wdamn: if you're trying to play a specific m4a file, you should try to determine which codec that file uses |
| 09:34.12 | TraceGreen | hello, i want to get string: "hello"'s crc32, how can i do that? |
| 09:34.37 | tarzeau | someone got a tool to set the text on the displays of printers? |
| 09:34.46 | TraceGreen | i didn't use perl, python yet. so , doesn't linux have such tools to help me to get a string'c crc32? |
| 09:35.08 | ma3x | tarzeau, you've experience with mplayer-mozilla? |
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| 09:35.32 | wdamn | chealer9: and how can I do that? |
| 09:35.35 | tarzeau | ma3x: i don't like mozilla |
| 09:35.38 | tarzeau | ma3x: but yes i use mplayer |
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| 09:36.00 | chealer9 | wdamn: I don't know, I don't have any m4a file |
| 09:36.22 | ma3x | tarzeau, so what browser do you use? |
| 09:36.58 | tarzeau | ma3x: links2 -g, dillo, omniweb prior to version 5.x |
| 09:37.05 | Azar | top question: will etch have nVidia deb-configured drivers? or will have same drill as woody and sarge when it comes to install/configure nVidia drivers? |
| 09:37.57 | chealer9 | Azar: "nVidia deb-configured drivers"? |
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| 09:38.04 | tarzeau | Azar: you mean the non-free drivers? no |
| 09:38.34 | Azar | chealer9: sorry for bad wording... I was wondering if with etch the nVidia installation will be same as with woody/sarge |
| 09:38.49 | Azar | tarzeau ah I see.. ok non-free |
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| 09:39.16 | ankur | how to run wma extension songs with xmms ? |
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| 09:39.36 | streuner_ | ankur: google for the plugin |
| 09:39.52 | ankur | but i got rpm instead of deb. |
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| 09:40.00 | chealer9 | Azar: does that imply that the installation of NVIDIA's non-free graphics drivers was the same in Woody as it is in sarge? |
| 09:40.07 | basanta | ankur, do you have codec installed? |
| 09:40.17 | ankur | no. |
| 09:40.18 | streuner_ | ankur: in this case, alien, but only in this case |
| 09:40.30 | Azar | chealer9: no, it was way harder with Woody than it is with Sarge |
| 09:40.32 | ma3x | is SSE or SSE2 support for P4 ? |
| 09:40.35 | basanta | install codec |
| 09:40.44 | ankur | basanta : which codec |
| 09:41.13 | streuner_ | basanta: you are talking about media-players |
| 09:41.21 | chealer9 | Azar: so, there are and will be differences between Etch and Sarge in that area too |
| 09:42.00 | PumpkinPie | how can I run mysql run-all-tests if I installed the debian package? |
| 09:42.05 | Azar | chealer9: that why I was asking ... hoping Etch will be easier on new users when it comes to video installation |
| 09:42.10 | basanta | source #deb http://apt.cerkinfo.be unstable main contrib |
| 09:42.27 | chealer9 | Azar: great |
| 09:42.33 | Azar | basanta, where is /debian in that source? |
| 09:43.12 | basanta | ankur, w32codecs is the name of the package |
| 09:43.25 | ankur | basanta : okey thank you |
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| 09:43.59 | basanta | ankur, sorry its different repo. |
| 09:44.50 | snorks | Does anyone know the name of a nice (the nicest) gnu/linux netlimiter program? |
| 09:45.31 | bbrazil | snorks: tc |
| 09:45.36 | snorks | bbrazil: thanks man |
| 09:45.46 | ankur | basanta: so what i need to do.. should i need to install that ? |
| 09:45.53 | bbrazil | snorks: thats the raw command, I'm not aware of any GUIs |
| 09:46.08 | basanta | ankur, yes |
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| 09:47.07 | basanta | ankur, it actually acts a bit differntly , it actually downloads essential-20050412.tar.bz2 |
| 09:47.57 | PumpkinPie | Hwere is the mysql-bench debian package? |
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| 09:48.29 | ankur | basanta: so can i directly download essential-20050412.tar.bz2 please |
| 09:48.48 | ma3x | what's the diff.gz file for? |
| 09:48.49 | snorks | bbrazil: Couldn't find anything via apt :/ |
| 09:49.17 | snorks | bbrazil: but im just at school, its np. dont have time to surf for it really, so you may tell me to rtfm :p |
| 09:49.26 | bbrazil | snorks: should be in iproute |
| 09:49.28 | basanta | ankur, yes you could do that and place it in /root dir or you can just do apt-get update and apt-get install w32codecs |
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| 09:50.36 | Azar | haha.. err http://www.bbspot.com/News/2006/02/first-post.html |
| 09:51.05 | ma3x | what happens when you apply .diff.gz file? |
| 09:52.05 | chealer9 | Azar: #politics |
| 09:52.34 | chealer9 | ma3x: which diff.gz file? |
| 09:53.00 | snorks | bbrazil: ok thanks man! and the gui part dont bother me much |
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| 09:54.04 | ma3x | chealer9, for eg. I have mplayerplug-in_3.21.orig.tar.gz & mplayerplug-in_3.21-2.diff.gz |
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| 09:54.36 | ma3x | chealer9, and when you type 'apt-get source mozilla-mplayer' it extracts the original, and then it says applying .diff.gz |
| 09:54.42 | ma3x | so what happens when it applies the diff.gz/ |
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| 09:54.59 | chealer9 | ma3x: the source is Debianized |
| 09:55.03 | ma3x | okay |
| 09:56.02 | Azar | chealer9: I was allways wondered what "debianized" is in fact: secured? made to work with debian only? |
| 09:56.22 | ootput | Azar: package-ified |
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| 09:56.45 | nvz | Azar: debianized means packaged and complies with debian policy |
| 09:56.55 | Azar | thanks |
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| 09:59.00 | nvz | basically debianized it just adding the control.tgz to the mix but in practice this can mean all sorts of things |
| 09:59.17 | basanta | any tool that can resize my ext3 partition with data intact? |
| 09:59.56 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:00.00 | nvz | you are confusing filesystems with partitions |
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| 10:00.14 | ma3x | chealer9, how do you apply the diff.gz file manually? |
| 10:00.15 | domeng | greetings |
| 10:00.37 | skar | hi, my server has 1G of ram, with 215 M free, while 533 M of swap is already being used |
| 10:00.48 | chealer9 | ma3x: I suppose it would involve gzip and patch |
| 10:01.03 | skar | anyone know if i can make the kernel exhaust ram first, then use swap, and will it be better for performance? |
| 10:01.53 | nvz | skar: its probably taking inactive applications data and moving them to swap to improve performance by caching disk reads or something |
| 10:02.47 | domeng | hi. what's the easiest way to upgrade from debian 3.0 to sarge? |
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| 10:03.00 | chealer9 | !tell domeng about woody->sarge |
| 10:03.51 | domeng | thanks chealer9 |
| 10:04.06 | nvz | I think my cousin's box may be running Woody still.. not sure.. I got it here for spring cleaning and updates.. I will probably upgrade everything to current Etch. |
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| 10:05.24 | skar | nvz: i've still got 215M free mem, so i want kernel NOT to swap out least frequently used apps to swap, how do i do that? |
| 10:05.34 | PumpkinPie | how do I benchmark mysql with debian packages only ? |
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| 10:06.10 | ankur | basanta : now i untar essential-20050412.tar.bz2 in my /root. now what i need to do |
| 10:06.15 | nvz | skar: I have no idea. and even if I did I wouldnt offer such information to someone who thinks they know more about optimization than the kernel developers yet needs to ask questions about it |
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| 10:08.32 | menko | hi people, I have a problem. I have ~/bin in my path, but only for the terminal. Things started with fluxbox, like xlaunch, rox, don't see it in my path. Any way to fix this? |
| 10:08.33 | skar | nvz: when you've doubts, you've to ask it, the world won't progress with just conservative guys ;) |
| 10:08.59 | menko | I'm using gdm to log in btw |
| 10:09.02 | nvz | thats why there's women |
| 10:09.36 | nvz | I had that conversation at my previous workplace.. they though all the girls did was bitch.. I explained to them why women were nessicary |
| 10:10.24 | menko | and I Got ~/bin in my path by exporting it in ~/.bashrc and ~/.bash_profile |
| 10:11.39 | snorks | menko: huh? |
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| 10:12.00 | snorks | menko: you're still in the same chroot, so they should still count? |
| 10:12.07 | snorks | menko: no matter if you're in a wm? |
| 10:12.11 | menko | ok, I put ~/bin in my path with those files, but xlaunch, and rox don't see anythingt here |
| 10:12.29 | nvz | it wasnt a co-incidence that men did all the mechanical and maint work, and women did all the QA |
| 10:12.48 | menko | for example, I have unpack in ~/bin |
| 10:12.57 | menko | if I open a terminal, I can run unpack |
| 10:12.58 | snorks | ah menk |
| 10:13.11 | menko | but not with the rox that opens with fluxbox startup script |
| 10:13.19 | snorks | menko: maybe you run that as root? |
| 10:13.51 | menko | I'm not sure, I just let debian set everything up, and select fluxbox from gdm |
| 10:14.01 | snorks | hm |
| 10:14.15 | snorks | open up a terminal inside fluxbox and write echo $PATH |
| 10:14.31 | menko | yep, it shows up there |
| 10:14.36 | menko | (~/bin) |
| 10:14.39 | snorks | weird |
| 10:14.48 | snorks | but you cant exec it from wherever? |
| 10:14.52 | menko | I'll try closing the rox panel and reopening it |
| 10:15.32 | menko | yup now it sees the path, but I think it's because I execed it from the terminal |
| 10:15.49 | menko | but it doesn't see the path if it's opened with the startup scrupt |
| 10:15.59 | snorks | what's the startup scrpit? |
| 10:15.59 | gary | Any recommendations for linux applications that are able to access databases and edit them over the web? |
| 10:16.17 | menko | ~/.fluxbox/startup should I paste it in pastebin? |
| 10:16.27 | snorks | menko: if you exec something within a process, i think it inherits those variables etc |
| 10:16.37 | snorks | menko: i cba surfing :/ only have lynx lol |
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| 10:16.54 | bartlebee | gary which database? you have phpmyadmin for mysql and assorted others, along with similar ones for postgres, etc. |
| 10:17.03 | menko | snorks: so fluxbox isn't seeing the path, do you think I should try exporting path as part of the startup script? |
| 10:17.15 | snorks | menko: yes |
| 10:17.24 | menko | ok I'll try that |
| 10:17.45 | bk_ankur | I have already download essential-20050412.tar.bz2 now what to do to install it .. any help... |
| 10:17.50 | gary | bartlebee: MySQL, I was about to install phpmyadmin, wasn't sure if that was the best |
| 10:18.05 | HPS`Fresh | hi guys. can someone share his experience about âìè cards and satelite internet? |
| 10:18.46 | menko | grr I messed up nedit with my xresources... |
| 10:18.55 | bartlebee | pretty damn good ... there is a better one as well which isn't web based... asking |
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| 10:19.28 | menko | what's black in number code |
| 10:19.29 | menko | ? |
| 10:19.44 | menko | ah nvm I just typed black |
| 10:19.44 | gary | #000000; |
| 10:19.52 | gary | not a good way to do it btw menko |
| 10:19.56 | bartlebee | mysqlcc & mysqladmin -- mysql guru here says phpmyadmin is damn good |
| 10:20.08 | menko | gary: typing black? |
| 10:20.22 | gary | yes |
| 10:20.31 | menko | ok |
| 10:21.08 | menko | ok, so would putting this in ~/.fluxbox/startup be ok? : export PATH=~/bin:$PATH |
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| 10:22.42 | gary | I think so. Probably best though to put it in .bashrc, or .bash_profile |
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| 10:24.01 | menko | it worxorz people yay! |
| 10:24.01 | snorks | YAY |
| 10:24.19 | menko | ok so I'm going to be recompiling my kernel soon, to add win5lin support, are there any recommendations to add to the kernel? |
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| 10:26.25 | gary | ./j |
| 10:26.44 | snorks | menko: No idea mate :/ |
| 10:27.11 | menko | how come bootsplash isn't in the normal kernel? |
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| 10:27.58 | gary | I have phpmyadmin installed. I would like to edit a database located on a remote server. Any ideas how this would be possible? |
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| 10:31.26 | dondelelcaro | menko: because it's not required, and there's no consensus on which of the current implementations is the proper one. |
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| 10:32.38 | ryushe | I have webdav issues, trying to debug. Specifically when putting a file via webdav, apache error log shows: "Unable to PUT new contents for /bla/bla". I've checked and doublechecked apache2 settings, and can't find the issue. Any help is appreciated |
| 10:33.45 | Fox | hi |
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| 10:36.12 | ma3x | how do I view info on .deb file? |
| 10:36.19 | ma3x | like apt-get show packagename |
| 10:36.25 | jm_ | man dpkg |
| 10:36.46 | ma3x | thanks |
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| 10:36.50 | sarkit | does debian 3.1 etch supports nptl by default? |
| 10:37.15 | ma3x | jm_, how come I is not listed in the dpkg --help ? |
| 10:38.00 | jm_ | ma3x: it is |
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| 10:38.28 | streuner_ | 3.1 = sarge |
| 10:38.47 | TobiX | hi, anyone know what that means: "CS4281: probe of 0000:00:0b.0 failed with error -5"? |
| 10:38.56 | ma3x | jm_, it's not! |
| 10:39.00 | jm_ | ma3x: yes it is |
| 10:39.05 | ma3x | jm_, prove it |
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| 10:39.25 | TobiX | I get that message with the new 2.6.16 kernel package and my sound stopped working... |
| 10:39.37 | jm_ | ma3x: Use dpkg -b|--build|-c|--contents|-e|--control|-I|--info|-f|--field| |
| 10:39.37 | jm_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:39.53 | Trent | where can i download 2.6.16 kernel? |
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| 10:40.14 | TobiX | Trent: unstable has it |
| 10:40.21 | TobiX | since yesterday |
| 10:40.25 | Trent | oh alright |
| 10:40.28 | Trent | how do i install it? |
| 10:40.31 | Trent | just extract the tarball? |
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| 10:40.53 | TobiX | apt-get install linux-image-2.6.16-<arch> |
| 10:41.04 | Trent | <arch> ? |
| 10:41.05 | ma3x | jm_, you're right! |
| 10:41.08 | ma3x | :p |
| 10:41.09 | Trent | replace with what distro of ebian your using? |
| 10:41.23 | ma3x | how do I build mplayer for P4 ? |
| 10:41.59 | TobiX | Trent: <arch> is 386, 686, k6, k7, etc. for i386 architecture, just pick the one that fits your processor best |
| 10:42.14 | sarkit | does debian 3.1 etch supports nptl by default? |
| 10:42.42 | Trent | alright |
| 10:42.45 | Trent | so i can pick sarge? |
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| 10:43.12 | Fox | !tell ma3x -about marillat |
| 10:43.27 | chealer9 | sarkit: Etch is not Debian 3.1 |
| 10:43.37 | Fox | ma3x: use marillat for mplayer |
| 10:43.47 | ma3x | Fox, marillat sucks, it's 1 month old |
| 10:43.58 | ma3x | I need new fresh mplayer from CVS |
| 10:44.01 | chealer9 | Trent: which release do you use? |
| 10:44.03 | azeem | ma3x: huh? |
| 10:44.07 | Eclipser | ma3x, sarge is 8~9 months old! |
| 10:44.15 | azeem | ma3x: what did they land in CVS which is so cool? |
| 10:44.21 | Trent | i installed using th enetinstall disc |
| 10:44.24 | Trent | and im runng sarge atm |
| 10:44.29 | ma3x | azeem, they fixed mencoder's bugs for example |
| 10:44.40 | azeem | I see |
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| 10:45.02 | menko | so can anyone tell me if it's possible to make my user passwordless(not root)? |
| 10:45.14 | nvz | I wonder how much trouble its going to be to track down who is always sucking up the bandwidth on my network. |
| 10:45.28 | nvz | considering I am wired and everyone else is wireless |
| 10:45.31 | ma3x | now about sarge I don't know, but mplayer's great from CVS always |
| 10:45.31 | petemc | iptraf on the gateway works |
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| 10:45.39 | chealer9 | Trent: is there a reason you want Linux 2.6.16? |
| 10:45.46 | wols_ | menko: yes it's possible |
| 10:45.50 | elli | moi |
| 10:45.55 | wols_ | it's still a bad idea |
| 10:45.57 | nvz | not that I couldnt take a wild guess |
| 10:46.18 | wols_ | chealer9: for starters a missing buffer overflow in netfilter :) |
| 10:46.32 | elli | hello avyvane |
| 10:46.54 | Trent | no reason, just want to update my kernel :P |
| 10:46.59 | Trent | wouldnt hurt to learn how |
| 10:47.01 | knite | I don't see an option in 'ls' to include the path leading up to the file, when i'm listing recursively. (basically, I want to do the equivalent of 'dir /s /b') Is there another command to do this? |
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| 10:48.30 | TobiX | knite: try find |
| 10:48.45 | knite | TobiX: hmm... ok, I'll check it out. |
| 10:48.53 | menko | wols_: sho how do I do it? |
| 10:49.07 | Trent | tobix: can you give me a link to a tutorial on updating my kernel? |
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| 10:50.20 | wols_ | Trent: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html.en |
| 10:50.27 | hkdobrev | #flood |
| 10:50.31 | wols_ | editing /etc/passwd /etc/shadow |
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| 10:51.32 | menko | what do I do to theM? |
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| 10:51.58 | wols_ | nothing |
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| 10:52.38 | wols_ | and if you insist: read manpages. they're good for you |
| 10:52.55 | menko | k |
| 10:53.17 | liable | !be a manpage barbie |
| 10:53.17 | dpkg | Aww, manpage is HARD! Let's go shopping, liable |
| 10:53.31 | menko | lol |
| 10:54.02 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:54.04 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:54.13 | liable | haha |
| 10:54.18 | nvz | lol cheerleader, without the pom pons |
| 10:54.29 | nvz | doing a heel strech |
| 10:54.50 | TobiX | \o/ |
| 10:55.41 | nvz | I wonder if I still have my lol files around |
| 10:55.43 | TobiX | nvz: That's evil :) |
| 10:55.53 | nvz | no its not, its cute ;) |
| 10:56.24 | snorks | nvz used to be a cheerleader? |
| 10:56.40 | liable | wished he was?? |
| 10:56.43 | nvz | no, but I used to spend time with them |
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| 10:57.08 | nvz | they'd teach me about cheerleading, and I'd pretend to be interested.. and I'd teach them how to pass math class.. |
| 10:57.39 | TobiX | ROTFLOL |
| 10:58.22 | nvz | see I would have actually been a cheerleader, except I hated my school so I lacked the spirit.. and I cant yell.. I dont ever get loud _ever_ so if I try to scream its just gonna make my voice crack cause I've never done it |
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| 10:58.37 | nvz | getting to toss chics around in pleated skirts sounds like fun to me |
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| 11:02.21 | nvz | and when I was younger I could give them a run for their money too.. well most of them. This one girl who is one of the ones I had to support through algebra and geometry over the years was quite good at flipping around.. I get dizzy just watching her do that shit. |
| 11:03.00 | nvz | some of them girls you'd be afraid to toss, cause they might blow away and never come back down |
| 11:03.50 | nvz | this girl Amy, her parents still live right down there across the street.. she's still a bean pole to this day.. and I think she has a kid now.. I cant imagine how that happened. |
| 11:04.03 | nvz | if you were to fuck that girl there would be nothing left but a wet spot |
| 11:04.48 | azeem | wtf? |
| 11:04.50 | nvz | maybe a little red hair on the pillo |
| 11:05.33 | nvz | its quiet in here this morning. |
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| 11:06.51 | nile | .... |
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| 11:06.58 | nvz | ..... |
| 11:07.16 | nile | I think it's the "wtf" factor |
| 11:07.21 | nvz | haha |
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| 11:08.02 | chealer9 | nvz: you may attract more interest in #cheerleading |
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| 11:08.16 | nvz | yeah I am sure there is a #cheerleading |
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| 11:08.38 | chealer9 | nvz: alternatively, maybe your blog readers would care more |
| 11:08.50 | Ntp | re |
| 11:08.54 | nvz | heh I should have a blog, huh? |
| 11:08.58 | nvz | but I dont. |
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| 11:09.12 | azeem | nvz: well, don't blog in here, please |
| 11:09.22 | nvz | I dont know what a blog is. |
| 11:09.23 | Ntp | can anybody help me little bit in floppy boot? |
| 11:09.33 | nvz | and I just go off what is given to me |
| 11:09.54 | nvz | Ntp: care to ask a question that we can answer? |
| 11:09.54 | azeem | nvz: consider writin in #offtopic then, please |
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| 11:10.00 | Ntp | i need an image wich can autodetect my iso image on hard drive |
| 11:10.15 | azeem | Ntp: floppy images do that, AFAIK |
| 11:10.27 | Ntp | my is not :) |
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| 11:11.33 | Ntp | i downloaded the testint floppy images but but this can not detect iso images from hard drive |
| 11:11.37 | Ntp | g |
| 11:11.47 | azeem | Ntp: did you try with sarge? |
| 11:11.54 | azeem | maybe this is a regression |
| 11:11.55 | Ntp | yes |
| 11:12.01 | azeem | doesn't work either? |
| 11:12.16 | Ntp | once few weeks ago its work |
| 11:12.31 | Ntp | but this is another image |
| 11:12.35 | Ntp | so |
| 11:12.35 | jm_ | does d-i even support that? |
| 11:12.50 | Ntp | i cant remeber whis whas the good |
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| 11:13.30 | Ntp | so can you tell me a good image which work? |
| 11:13.51 | petemc | Ntp: you can make grub load isos from the hard disk |
| 11:14.03 | Ntp | how? |
| 11:14.13 | petemc | google can fill in the details |
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| 11:15.07 | Ntp | ok |
| 11:15.15 | Ntp | thank you |
| 11:15.17 | Ntp | :) |
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| 11:19.20 | birke | Hi, I was just wondering if in debian unstable evolution currently has problem (updated today) or if it's just me |
| 11:19.29 | pbang | Anyone know how to find what a runaway httpd proccess is up to? |
| 11:19.37 | petemc | birke: check the bts |
| 11:19.47 | birke | bts? |
| 11:19.51 | petemc | ... |
| 11:19.57 | dondelelcaro | !bts |
| 11:19.57 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 11:20.01 | petemc | pbang: strace -p perhaps |
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| 11:20.23 | Ntp | can installer support wlan cards? :) |
| 11:20.38 | dondelelcaro | Ntp: some of them, yes. |
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| 11:20.47 | Ntp | wich one? |
| 11:20.55 | nvz | hmm I didnt know grub could boot an ISO image from hd.. thats interesting, i guess |
| 11:21.05 | dondelelcaro | anyones that the drivers are there that don't require firmware |
| 11:21.06 | nvz | I should read the fine manual some day |
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| 11:22.19 | nvz | I still like lilo for its simplicity.. but grub probably isnt hard if you read the manual |
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| 11:22.55 | jm_ | nvz: only pathced GRUB can do that AFAIK |
| 11:22.58 | jm_ | patched |
| 11:23.09 | pbang | petemc: how cryptic should the output be? |
| 11:23.15 | petemc | pbang: fairly |
| 11:23.48 | nvz | jm_: *shrug* grub does all kinds of things that lilo and other bootloaders do not. I've not taken the time to learn how to even install grub much less use it |
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| 11:24.20 | pbang | petemc: you know any way to find which page is grinding? |
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| 11:24.45 | petemc | jm_: http://www.debian.org/releases/3.1/i386/ch05s01.html.en#boot-initrd |
| 11:25.22 | petemc | pbang: grep for ^open is often a start |
| 11:25.33 | Fox | nvz: it's so simple to install that even I could do it :) |
| 11:25.44 | pbang | petemc: 10-4, thx |
| 11:25.46 | jm_ | petemc: that's not booting from an ISO image |
| 11:25.46 | Fox | and even my 5 years old duaghter could do it |
| 11:25.51 | Fox | s/ua/au/ |
| 11:26.12 | jm_ | peterS: but it does answer my previous question if d-i can do this |
| 11:26.13 | petemc | jm_: its files you can extract from the iso, no? |
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| 11:26.23 | jm_ | petemc: the above one was for you too ;) |
| 11:26.27 | petemc | yeah :) |
| 11:26.35 | nvz | Fox: I dont mean apt-get install grub, I mean actually installing it.. as in if you had to chroot rescue or something. I can write a lilo.conf and run lilo, but I dont know where the grub config is, how its written or even what command to run to install it |
| 11:26.43 | birke | ok, thanks, did check the bts without success, I suspect that it's just a transition problem |
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| 11:27.01 | nvz | Fox: I already have grub installed, cause D-I did it, but if it screwed up somehow I wouldnt know how to fix it |
| 11:27.13 | nvz | I'd just install lilo |
| 11:27.30 | birke | I have also played with mail-notification ... probably I messed things up with that?!? |
| 11:28.09 | Fox | nvz: /boot/grub/menu.lst and I would say it's *human readable* |
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| 11:29.48 | TobiX | nvz: There are those funny script "grub-install" and "update-grub" that do everything for you - really boring ;) |
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| 11:29.51 | Andale | hello |
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| 11:30.16 | Fox | TobiX: unless you have a windows on another hdd/partition :) |
| 11:30.21 | Andale | is there someone who can tell me a client for Oracle? |
| 11:30.39 | TobiX | Fox: What's the problem with that? |
| 11:30.39 | Ntp | i think im need to buy a cd writer :D |
| 11:30.49 | wols_ | CD? |
| 11:31.00 | wols_ | can you even buy them anymore? |
| 11:31.01 | TobiX | I have a dual-boot system here... |
| 11:31.17 | Fox | TobiX: when using update-grub it removes the windows part of my menu.lst |
| 11:31.36 | Fox | need to had it by hand every time, quite boring |
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| 11:31.46 | Fox | maybe it's a pebcak ? :) |
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| 11:32.14 | TobiX | Fox: You must put the Windows-stanze before or after the automatic kernel list |
| 11:32.21 | Fox | wow, cool ! :) |
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| 11:32.43 | ustaadmin | good morning |
| 11:32.44 | rvsjoen | Andale: http://www.oracle.com/technology/software/tech/oci/instantclient/index.html |
| 11:33.22 | Andale | rvsjoen: oracle need a registration ... I can't sign :( |
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| 11:34.02 | TobiX | Fox: I mean, the config file even has a comment that says so, but I think documentation blindness is a common problem with almost all computer nerds I know ;) |
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| 11:35.08 | Ntp | i just downloaded the 1st debian dvd image to install. In my machine i have a d-link wlan card which not supported by installer. But im installed debian with kernel 2.6.12 maybe 2 month ago from floppy wich detected the iso image on hard drive. SO i need this image. But im forget which one was it :) |
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| 11:36.57 | rvsjoen | Andale: sorry about that, I think its free of charge once you register though |
| 11:37.29 | ma3x | File not found: '/home/ma3x/.mplayer/default.sub' |
| 11:37.29 | ma3x | Failed to open /home/ma3x/.mplayer/default.sub |
| 11:37.35 | ma3x | how do I create one? |
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| 11:37.42 | ma3x | I already have ~/.mplayer/font |
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| 11:38.33 | sega | hello all!!! |
| 11:39.06 | Ntp | szasz |
| 11:39.27 | Andale | rvsjoen: I know that it's free. But I'm waiting for authorization from my factory. in the meantime I'm looking for an alternative software... :) |
| 11:40.02 | nvz | sega: hello washed up video game company |
| 11:40.02 | sega | i'm from russian federation! |
| 11:40.14 | nvz | nobody cares |
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| 11:40.44 | nvz | let me guess in soviet russia, sega still sells game consoles |
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| 11:40.51 | sega | i use knoppix 4.02 |
| 11:40.56 | plbgnr | hello, I want to display in vim regularly file with encoding:"UTF-8 Unicode English text, with very long lines" so I use ':e ++enc=utf-8 file' ...but this ends with [not converted] message and file is opened with strange characters ...can anybody help with this? |
| 11:41.00 | nvz | sega: then join #knoppix |
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| 11:41.34 | sega | ok |
| 11:41.38 | ustaadmin | is it possible to set umode?s for directories? having a filesystem over NFS with different groups interacting with different directories. I already set sgid for datastorage and quotas, so everything under dir is created withi gid, but its still created 755 not 775 i like it to be created. |
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| 11:43.13 | panos | I'm on a debian machine with two network interfaces and I would like to set it to do NAT (masquerading). Is there a quick and dirty way? |
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| 11:43.19 | panos | I have a 2.6 kernel |
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| 11:43.43 | nvz | ustaadmin: see the nfs section of man 8 mount |
| 11:43.46 | mysh | hello |
| 11:44.05 | nvz | hmm maybe I read that question wrong |
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| 11:44.45 | nvz | incredibly likely since several re-reads conclude that I cant understand what the hell you are asking |
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| 11:45.29 | ustaadmin | panos, yes there is |
| 11:45.36 | mysh | Im try to make one migration to linux and i catch my php files from the flash usb and i got the webserver installed the problem is that ask me to change the permition of 500 php files +- someone know ow can i downlod the files from my flash usb and dont need to change everytoime the permitions of 400\500 phps? |
| 11:46.22 | mysh | or if there is some awy i can change them all whith one time only :x |
| 11:46.23 | wols_ | is your flash stick formatted with fat? |
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| 11:46.32 | ustaadmin | for example: http://www.planetschranz.de/images2/firewall |
| 11:46.35 | mysh | wols_ yes is formated whith fat |
| 11:46.36 | nvz | what is [pdflush]? I assume this is a kernel process.. it seems to be restarting periodically because every time I look at ps, its further down the list with a higher PID |
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| 11:46.56 | wols_ | mysh: then mount the stick properly with proper umask/uid/gid set. man mount |
| 11:46.58 | ustaadmin | btw. u won?t need the private-part ;P |
| 11:47.04 | TobiX | nvz: It's a kernel thread, yes |
| 11:47.20 | nvz | well I want to know what its function is, and why it keeps restarting |
| 11:47.30 | wols_ | and for changing all of thier owner/perms at once, look at the -R option of chmod/chown |
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| 11:47.32 | panos | thank you ustaadmin |
| 11:47.42 | mysh | wols_ ok i will try it |
| 11:47.53 | TobiX | nvz: IIRC its purpose is to flush buffers to disk |
| 11:47.53 | nvz | normally my kernel threads stay at the top of the PS list with the lowest possible PID numbers |
| 11:47.59 | mysh | thanks :p |
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| 11:48.35 | TobiX | nvz: I currently have 2 pdflush threads... |
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| 11:48.59 | ustaadmin | nvz, sry, i may wrote it bit complicated, my problem is just i want all files be created 775, but only for directory XYZ |
| 11:49.12 | debshine | hey folks -- a new sarge install here. what's the basic install missing that won't allow me to mount a flash drive? mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/flash gets me a wrong file type error? |
| 11:49.18 | ustaadmin | this directory belongs to an NFS-Export and is mounted on another machine |
| 11:50.03 | panos | ustaadmin, will running this script do the job? what do I need to change? |
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| 11:50.34 | Ether_Man_ | debshine: how about reading about what you're actually trying to do and you'll very soon known what it says you're missing |
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| 11:51.01 | debshine | Ether_Man_, sorry, what? |
| 11:51.07 | nvz | TobiX: they must spawn as needed *shrug* |
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| 11:51.29 | Ether_Man_ | debhelper: just read up on mount... that way you'll know what it means by that specific error.. |
| 11:51.29 | debshine | i can mount the same flash drive on 3 other pc's running other linux distros |
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| 11:51.55 | Ether_Man_ | other dists do not install the same things by default.. |
| 11:51.58 | ustaadmin | sry customers, brb |
| 11:52.25 | debshine | Ether_Man_, thus my question on what i'm missing here to be able to mount it? |
| 11:52.37 | Ether_Man_ | debhelper: read and you will know.. |
| 11:52.53 | debshine | Ether_Man_, read what? why make this so difficult? |
| 11:52.56 | pjv | what's a good pdf editor, i have a pdf file here with graphical logos and kpdf kword just doesn't seem to do the job well, any suggestions? |
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| 11:53.26 | candyban | Hi guys ... |
| 11:53.29 | candyban | I fried my mobo and am looking to buy a new one. Where can I find some advice which chipsets are supported? I'm currently looking for "ASRock P4DUAL-880PRO" which has a VIAPT880 Pro chipset (http://www.asrock.com/product/product_P4Dual-880Pro.htm) ... |
| 11:53.34 | Ether_Man_ | debhelper: Because you won't know what you're doing if you dont read.. |
| 11:54.03 | debshine | Ether_Man_, what's debhelper? |
| 11:54.27 | debshine | i don't mind reading i'm trying to find out what i need here, that's all |
| 11:54.34 | opqdonut | hmm vsftpd won't let me login with my username/password even though i have local_enable set to true in the config |
| 11:54.36 | Eulex | !debhelper |
| 11:54.37 | dpkg | well, debhelper is a collection of programs that can be used in debian/rules files to automate common tasks related to building debian binary packages. For further documentation, see the man pages for dh_* commands. For an overview of debhelper, see the debhelper man page. #debian's eggdrop bot |
| 11:54.39 | Ether_Man_ | debshine: it's not difficult.. I could tell you exactly what you're missing.. But if I did you wouldnt know what to do the next time it spits the same error at you |
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| 11:55.14 | Ether_Man_ | debshine: It was just misdirected |
| 11:55.45 | debshine | Ether_Man_, sorry to have wasted your time. |
| 11:55.46 | neoXite | hi, i'm running samba as a pdc/printserver(using cups) on debian sarge. all users should have permission to delete print jobs. |
| 11:56.02 | neoXite | But in windows users get the error "Permission denied" and the smbd log file says "Password for someuser on localhost? lprm: Unable to cancel job(s)!" |
| 11:56.17 | neoXite | does anybody know how to work around this? |
| 11:56.28 | nvz | ustaadmin: I dont know of any means of doing that. sounds like an interesting task, but I am at a loss for how to go about it. should be a permission on the dir to preserve permissions, but sticky bit is the closest thing and that doesnt do what you want either. |
| 11:56.35 | Ether_Man_ | debshine: I never said you waster my time.. It's just that noone want you to come back every time mount spits that error at you.. |
| 11:56.52 | chealer9 | candyban: on Google, usually |
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| 11:57.55 | debshine | Ether_Man_, telling someone to read a man page or some help section without point them in some kind of direction is useless. |
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| 11:58.38 | Ether_Man_ | debhelper: It is.. if you just THINK for two seconds.. I'll give you a hint then.. the error lies in -t vfat |
| 11:58.43 | candyban | chealer9: I can find only 47 hits and most of them are in russian or something |
| 11:59.09 | Shadowcat | debshine: instead of arguing, try thinking about what you're doing wrong |
| 11:59.11 | bk_ankur | Hello friends.. i am compiling the kernel and when i do make.. i used to get "CHK include/linux/version.h... and so on" but i want full output.. which compiler and which parameter.. and everything while compiling. so what i need to do ? |
| 11:59.13 | debshine | i use the sam exact command on the other 3 boxes |
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| 11:59.33 | debshine | Shad0wcat, you don't think i've tried thinking? |
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| 11:59.45 | Ether_Man_ | debhelper: Like I said before.. Debian does NOT default to the same things as other dists... How about actually listening for a change? |
| 11:59.48 | debshine | why would i be here if i could just figure it out? |
| 11:59.54 | chealer9 | candyban: sorry, I don't know anything about that chipset. if Google really can't help you, maybe #kernel could |
| 12:00.07 | debshine | Ether_Man_, all ears! |
| 12:00.19 | candyban | chealer9: ok. Thanks. I'll go have a look over there |
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| 12:00.47 | Ether_Man_ | debhelper: great.. Then dont come with that "the same command works on other dists again" the command is ok.. You're just missing things that other dists default to install.. debian doesnt.. |
| 12:01.07 | debshine | listening ... |
| 12:01.19 | Shadowcat | heh what's he comparing to? |
| 12:01.21 | Shadowcat | red hat? |
| 12:01.34 | Ether_Man_ | debhelper: You should have plenty of information to find it out by yourself and actually understand the error.. |
| 12:01.39 | debshine | mepis, elive and ubuntu |
| 12:01.45 | Ether_Man_ | Arg.. stupid nickcomplete >_< |
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| 12:02.01 | Eulex | debshine, does fdisk -l show the disk? also, does /mnt/flash exist? |
| 12:02.03 | debshine | Ether_Man_, that's it? |
| 12:02.13 | debshine | Eulex, yes, and yes |
| 12:02.36 | Ether_Man_ | debshine: that's it.. Like I said.. You have plenty of information.. Actually more information than you actually should have needed.. |
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| 12:02.52 | debshine | for the love of god, thanks for nothing |
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| 12:03.30 | Shadowcat | $10 says he didn't install udev |
| 12:03.31 | Eulex | Ether_Man_, I don't see any problem with his command. it should work. |
| 12:03.41 | Ether_Man_ | debshine: listen mate.. If you're not smart enough to even read a simple manpage on something I've already pointed out.. Then sorry but you simply aint smart enough to be running ANY linux dist.. |
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| 12:03.53 | strider | Ether_Man_: ffs |
| 12:03.55 | debshine | Eulex, it doesn't. |
| 12:03.58 | Ether_Man_ | Eulex: there's nothing wrong with the command itself.. he's just missing things |
| 12:04.39 | debshine | Ether_Man_, that's a great attitude. holy christ. i've done ok for the last 3 years. first attempt at debian and this is the help you can expect? |
| 12:05.07 | Ether_Man_ | strider: What? I've actually already told him what's wrong.. he just dont wanna listen or read.. he wants the exact commands to get exactly what he wants so he can come back with the next simple little question because he still doesnt wanna read or listen.. |
| 12:05.39 | Eulex | debshine, what's the exact error you get when you try to mount it? |
| 12:05.42 | debshine | Ether_Man_, bullshit. i don't want exact commands. just a tip. what was your tip? read *what* man page? |
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| 12:05.55 | jm_ | he told you which man page to read |
| 12:05.56 | debshine | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1, |
| 12:06.18 | Ether_Man_ | debhelper: I told you exactly that -t vfat is where your missing things.. Tried searching the manpage for.. say vfat? geez.. -_- |
| 12:06.34 | lindenle | Hi my laptop suspends to disk fine but when i use suspend to ram it wont wake up until i hit the power button and then it wakes up and shuts down. Can anyone point me in the correct direction to solve this? |
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| 12:06.57 | jm_ | you need to start with the basics first, is the device detected? can Linux read partition table on it? |
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| 12:07.26 | strider | debshine: what does fdisk -l say about sda1 |
| 12:07.28 | ma3x | READ: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-bitstream-vera/VeraMoBd.ttf doesn't look like a font description, ignoring. |
| 12:07.36 | ma3x | why it doesnt look like a font? |
| 12:07.41 | debshine | jm_, the device is listed and found and fdisk shows it as sda1 and sda2 |
| 12:08.02 | debshine | /dev/sda1 * 1 954 244208 4 FAT16 |
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| 12:08.15 | jm_ | debshine: can you read from sda1? |
| 12:08.16 | Shadowcat | something tells me debshine's been struggling with this error for a long time |
| 12:08.22 | Ether_Man_ | jm_: since it says bad superblock or wrong fs type it is detected.. The error tells him it's the wrong fs type because he simply doesnt have vfat support installed.. |
| 12:08.23 | Eulex | Ether_Man_, -t fcat is perfectly valid. |
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| 12:08.33 | jm_ | Ether_Man_: yes, quite possible |
| 12:08.34 | debshine | jm_, read from it? |
| 12:08.37 | jm_ | debshine: yes |
| 12:08.37 | Eulex | *vfat |
| 12:08.42 | Shadowcat | in other words, pebkac |
| 12:08.52 | debshine | jm_, how do you mean? on other distros i can? |
| 12:08.54 | nvz | I've had DTA working on d/l like maybe 200 or so small files like less than 500kb each some 3 hours ago now. and its still not done.. and says its going at 600kb/s-1000+kb/s the whole time.. I think I need to upgrade to the latest firefox and get the latest extensions.. cause there is something seriously wrong |
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| 12:09.02 | jm_ | debshine: is vfat listed in /proc/filesystems? |
| 12:09.14 | jm_ | debshine: other distros don't matter right now |
| 12:09.22 | Nameeater | would I be right in asuming that it is bad to apt-get two kernels and install them with out rebooting? :/ |
| 12:09.23 | Ether_Man_ | jm_: Now I even told him EXACTLY what was wrong.. And he still aint reading that but hey.. who would have suspected -_- |
| 12:09.40 | debshine | jm_, yes and /proc/partitions has sda1 and 2 listed also |
| 12:09.46 | Nameeater | (not at the same time) |
| 12:09.51 | jm_ | debshine: try to read from sda1 then |
| 12:10.03 | jm_ | Nameeater: no it's OK |
| 12:10.12 | Nameeater | hmm |
| 12:10.25 | Shadowcat | personally I don't see why he's using a -t in the mount command at all |
| 12:10.27 | debshine | jm_, how do you mean read from it? |
| 12:10.27 | Nameeater | wonder why every thing has died |
| 12:10.32 | Ether_Man_ | Ah whatever.. I give up trying to help someone that aint listening.. -_- |
| 12:10.34 | Shadowcat | mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/media |
| 12:10.34 | jm_ | debshine: say with dd or cat |
| 12:10.48 | Shadowcat | -t isn't required |
| 12:11.07 | debshine | jm_, cat showed many screens of funky lettering |
| 12:11.17 | wols_ | not cat. less -t |
| 12:11.22 | wols_ | less -f that is |
| 12:11.30 | Eulex | Shadowcat, on the other hand, specifying -t won't hurt. |
| 12:11.31 | jm_ | debshine: then try to mount it without -t option |
| 12:11.46 | Shadowcat | Eulex: it will if you're a complete dumbass |
| 12:11.47 | Shadowcat | :) |
| 12:12.02 | nvz | it will if you put the wrong argumen to that option |
| 12:12.05 | jm_ | Eulex: as long as it's the right type |
| 12:12.12 | nvz | as opposed to letting it figure it out |
| 12:12.15 | debshine | without the t option: mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 12:12.15 | Eulex | Shadowcat, yes, but his partition is FAT16. thus vfat should be correct. |
| 12:12.33 | jm_ | debshine: which means it doesn't recognize it |
| 12:12.44 | jm_ | debshine: check if there are any messages in dmesg |
| 12:12.56 | Shadowcat | Eulex: the problem debshine has is similar to the guy in another channel who couldn't get vnc+ssh working for over a week |
| 12:13.27 | Nameeater | dean@firefly:/boot/grub$ nano menu.lst |
| 12:13.27 | Nameeater | -bash: /usr/bin/nano: Input/output error |
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| 12:13.45 | Shadowcat | Nameeater: that's umm... bad |
| 12:13.52 | Nameeater | what have I done? :( |
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| 12:14.06 | debshine | scsi1 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices |
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| 12:14.22 | jm_ | please don't paste here, use paste sites |
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| 12:14.36 | petemc | Nameeater: does dmesg work? |
| 12:14.43 | debshine | jm_, don't really see anything wrong it sees it fine |
| 12:14.43 | Nameeater | yes |
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| 12:14.56 | dealt | hi |
| 12:14.58 | petemc | Nameeater: anything unusual in it? |
| 12:15.02 | Nameeater | lots |
| 12:15.07 | Shadowcat | debshine: so why are you here then if it's fine? |
| 12:15.12 | Nameeater | I'll see if I can pastebin it |
| 12:15.15 | jm_ | debshine: it doesn't :) |
| 12:15.19 | dealt | tried upgrading woody via aptitude update && disupdate |
| 12:15.29 | nvz | dpkg, are you alive? |
| 12:15.30 | dealt | *dist-upgrade |
| 12:15.37 | Shadowcat | debshine: as Ether_Man_ said before, if you want our help you have to LISTEN |
| 12:15.38 | Nameeater | petemc: should I pastebin the whole thing or just where it goes wrong? |
| 12:15.49 | Shadowcat | debshine: or we'll start ignoring you as well |
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| 12:15.55 | dealt | everything seems ok but it halted on processing gforge package |
| 12:15.56 | debshine | Shad0wcat, i'm listening to when people respond to me |
| 12:16.00 | dealt | what should i do? |
| 12:16.06 | Shadowcat | debshine: then do what jm_ says |
| 12:16.16 | Shadowcat | instead of arguing with me |
| 12:16.28 | jm_ | dealt: did you check BTS? |
| 12:16.35 | debshine | Shad0wcat, i did. checked dmesg. arguing with you? |
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| 12:16.43 | dealt | jm_: sorry? |
| 12:16.50 | jm_ | !tell dealt -about bts |
| 12:16.52 | coywolf | any1 help me with an english sentence? thanks |
| 12:17.04 | coywolf | sorry for offtopic |
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| 12:17.09 | Nameeater | http://pastebin.com/615943 |
| 12:17.23 | dealt | jm_:oh |
| 12:17.26 | nvz | coywolf: umm? what kind of help? |
| 12:17.56 | nvz | dondelelcaro: dpkg told me to tell you, to FIXME! |
| 12:18.12 | Shadowcat | nvz: you can't be fixed |
| 12:18.14 | Shadowcat | >:) |
| 12:18.34 | Eulex | !fix me |
| 12:18.37 | coywolf | nvz, can you see my /msg ? |
| 12:18.37 | nvz | dondelelcaro: more specifically: "07:17 <dpkg> FIXME: files/debian/Packages-etch-main-i386.gz does not exist?" |
| 12:18.47 | nvz | not that I want to, but yes |
| 12:18.52 | Nameeater | petemc: any ideas? |
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| 12:19.00 | petemc | Nameeater: check cables on the disks, otherwise you might want to look at purchasing new disks.. |
| 12:19.12 | Nameeater | :/ |
| 12:19.18 | nvz | hmm did mozilla firefox change lisc terms or something?! |
| 12:19.21 | jm_ | debshine: can you paste it? |
| 12:19.26 | coywolf | sorry for offtopic, any1 help me with an english sentence about agreement? thanks nvz |
| 12:19.37 | petemc | coywolf: /msg me |
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| 12:19.45 | debshine | jm_, all of dmesg? |
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| 12:20.03 | jm_ | debshine: well last 10 or 20 lines are probably enough |
| 12:20.14 | bk_ankur | other utilites.. except fdisk to partition in linux ? |
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| 12:20.21 | petemc | bk_ankur: parted |
| 12:20.29 | wols_ | cfdisk, parted |
| 12:20.29 | Shadowcat | cfdisk, gparted |
| 12:20.37 | Shadowcat | cfdisk /dev/wols_ |
| 12:20.38 | Shadowcat | :) |
| 12:20.39 | nvz | dondelelcaro: its probably not your problem, might just be your mirror. |
| 12:20.40 | debshine | jm_, thanks for your help i'm gonna go off again and try to figure this out again by myself. cheers |
| 12:20.43 | Fox | cfdisk, qtparted :p |
| 12:20.58 | coywolf | petemc, you see? |
| 12:21.01 | Shadowcat | although |
| 12:21.02 | coywolf | petemc, reply me |
| 12:21.11 | Shadowcat | I doubt partitioning within a gui is a great idea |
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| 12:21.41 | Fox | I doubt too |
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| 12:22.05 | nvz | sure using the CLI and block sizes when you have no clue what block sizes mean or how to partition or further more how to work a command-line is really smart |
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| 12:30.03 | opqdonut | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:30.59 | nvz | "local" ? how is ftp "local"? |
| 12:31.45 | opqdonut | i referred to the "local_enable" option in vsftpd.conf |
| 12:31.51 | nvz | and furthermore what kind of IDIOT would use usernames/passwords for shell accounts on a plain-text remote file transfer protocol |
| 12:32.20 | nvz | why not just post your passwords on /. |
| 12:32.20 | opqdonut | well, unfortunately ftp is the only option in this setup |
| 12:32.31 | opqdonut | i am using a low-privilege user |
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| 12:34.16 | nvz | man this script is buggy as hell |
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| 12:34.50 | opqdonut | my situation is this, i can only get to the net through a http, a ftp, and a ssh proxy. The ssh proxy only allows ssh, and not scp/sftp |
| 12:35.17 | opqdonut | i need to transfer files to/from a remote location |
| 12:35.28 | petemc | opqdonut: rsync |
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| 12:35.41 | nvz | I got files that never finished, at 900%, one at 800%, three at 600% and still dont have the file yet.. I assume there was corruption ... but still.. wtf |
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| 12:37.13 | opqdonut | petemc: works over a http proxy? |
| 12:37.27 | petemc | opqdonut: ssh |
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| 12:38.45 | nvz | hmm I got files at 2500% and 7000% too :-/ |
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| 12:39.19 | opqdonut | petemc: hmm sounds good, i'll have a look |
| 12:39.24 | opqdonut | over plain ssh you mean=? |
| 12:39.30 | opqdonut | and through a proxy? |
| 12:39.33 | petemc | opqdonut: yeah |
| 12:39.43 | petemc | oh, dunno about the proxy |
| 12:39.51 | petemc | ive not heard of a ssh proxy, tbh |
| 12:40.02 | bk_ankur | i hve created logical partition hdb6 using cfdisk. Now when i do fdisk -l , i can see /dev/hdb6 when i do "mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdb6" getting error like "Could not stat /dev/hdb6 --- No such file or directory" and even i tried to mount it but its not recognizing /dev/hdb6 .. any suggestion |
| 12:40.40 | opqdonut | petemc: its some custom script, you ssh in, it asks for a host and a user, and opens an ssh connection to user@host |
| 12:40.44 | opqdonut | really ugly |
| 12:40.53 | petemc | nightmare |
| 12:41.00 | opqdonut | it is |
| 12:41.08 | opqdonut | that's why i'm getting desperate |
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| 12:41.33 | opqdonut | well, gtg, my six hours is over |
| 12:41.52 | panos_ | hm |
| 12:42.00 | panos_ | how can I set a NAT box. I'm on debian with 2.6 kernel |
| 12:42.14 | incorrect | has anyone come across cacti saying 'rrdtool says: graph access denied' |
| 12:42.24 | panos_ | I have tried the script: http://www.planetschranz.de/images2/firewall but it does not work |
| 12:42.33 | petemc | panos_: google for one of the thousands of how tos on the internet |
| 12:42.34 | incorrect | google has people who suffer from the problem, but no solution |
| 12:42.49 | jm_ | panos_: or use ipmasq package |
| 12:43.10 | panos_ | jm_, ipmask, hm, nice thank you |
| 12:43.20 | panos_ | petemc, thanks for stating the obvious |
| 12:43.22 | jm_ | panos_: not k, q |
| 12:43.29 | panos_ | petemc, I already have |
| 12:43.30 | nvz | ok so I want to upgrade from mozilla-firefox 1.0.4-2sarge5 to the latest Firefox 1.5.0.1 or whatever it is for linux i386 would checkinstall be the best way to go or what? my extensions are horribly broken, and most extensions now dont work in sarge cause there are apperently severe changes in the extensions API that new extensions are not compatible |
| 12:43.35 | jm_ | why didn't you do it yourself if it's so obvious? |
| 12:45.19 | nvz | firefucker just doesnt seem to be a package that can be included in debian. it should be removed |
| 12:45.43 | nvz | they change the name, the lisc, the API, everything like every other month and debian just cant keep up with something like that |
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| 12:46.08 | nvz | its not like you can just keep using the old one either.. it becomes completly useless when they do all that |
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| 12:48.15 | tarzeau | nvz: wise words |
| 12:48.21 | tarzeau | nvz: what browser do you use? |
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| 12:48.43 | strider | nvz: that's Sarge for you ;) |
| 12:48.47 | nvz | what happened to me was I broke my config and had to start over.. so my extensions were gone.. I had to d/l them again.. and now they are updated and the updated ones dont work with the sarge firefox |
| 12:49.03 | tarzeau | haha |
| 12:49.06 | nvz | well they have an old version of DTA and its suppose to work, but it doesnt |
| 12:49.13 | jm_ | you can use 1.5 from backports |
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| 12:49.24 | nvz | something about having a file at 7000% and not downloaded yet doesnt seem right to me |
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| 12:51.05 | nvz | I use links2 and firefox mostly |
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| 12:51.50 | rdd169 | Hi all. I was wondering how you update modules in debian. I"m trying to make changes to parport. |
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| 12:52.08 | jm_ | ehh? |
| 12:52.10 | lzsilva | rdd169, updating kernel !? |
| 12:52.15 | zimnyx | How can i disable laptop touch pad, when using USB mouse? |
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| 12:52.23 | rdd169 | whoops I mean modules.conf |
| 12:52.36 | jm_ | rdd169: are you using 2.4 kernel? |
| 12:52.42 | panos_ | jm_, hm, ipmasq seems to use ppp while my machine has two eth interfaces |
| 12:52.45 | rdd169 | Yes |
| 12:52.53 | jm_ | panos_: it doesn't matter, you can specify your own interfaces |
| 12:52.59 | jm_ | man update-modules |
| 12:53.00 | nvz | rdd169: update-modules, maybe |
| 12:53.12 | motty | trying to connect to printer c44ux evrything in the dialogs show no problems but actualy does not print at all |
| 12:53.23 | rdd169 | Is it like gentoo, which has a modules_update script. |
| 12:53.41 | nvz | xota: we speak english here. try #debian-es |
| 12:53.43 | jm_ | zimnyx: don't load support for it? |
| 12:53.44 | motty | using debian sarge |
| 12:54.22 | xota | nvz sorry, this is a /ame messages |
| 12:54.22 | panos_ | jm_, where can I do that? man ipmasq doesn't give any info and the rules/ dir is not very helpful. Do you by any chance know what I should do? |
| 12:54.34 | nvz | xtr: dont do it then |
| 12:54.41 | rdd169 | Thanks update-modules it was. |
| 12:54.44 | nvz | sorry |
| 12:54.59 | zimnyx | jm_: thanks. i'll try rmmod |
| 12:55.02 | jm_ | panos_: man ipmasq-rules |
| 12:55.03 | motty | trying to connect to printer epson c44ux evrything in the dialogs show no problems but actualy does not print at all |
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| 12:55.47 | fericitu_ | d |
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| 12:57.19 | panos_ | jm_ thanks |
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| 12:57.44 | panos_ | jm_ there is no man entry for that |
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| 12:58.30 | jm_ | panos_: yes there is, EXTERNAL* |
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| 12:58.46 | jm_ | panos_: as in man 5 ipmasq-rule |
| 12:58.59 | panos_ | oh |
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| 13:00.26 | jm_ | I said -rules earlier, that was wrong |
| 13:00.33 | motty | trying to connect to printer epson c44ux evrything in the dialogs show no problems but actualy does not print at all debian sarge |
| 13:00.42 | plbgnr | hello, in manual for module mod_auth_ldap for apache2 I found, this: 'Secure LDAP is only available if Apache was linked' |
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| 13:01.18 | plbgnr | how should I know if it is? |
| 13:01.25 | panos_ | no I can't understand how to configure ipmasq :-( It's too complicated for my understanding |
| 13:02.10 | jm_ | panos_: iptables tutorial also has a sample script |
| 13:02.57 | panos_ | jm_ perhaps I could get that to work |
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| 13:03.18 | panos_ | jm_, could you please give me the location of the tutorial? |
| 13:04.50 | jm_ | panos_: /msg dpkg iptables tutorial |
| 13:04.53 | jm_ | google also finds it |
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| 13:05.12 | panos_ | jm_ hm, if it is http://iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net/iptables-tutorial.html#INCLUDE.RCFIREWALL then it's for kernel 2.4, I am on 2.6 |
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| 13:06.12 | jm_ | panos_: no it works for 2.6 too |
| 13:06.29 | djs_2_6 | Morning all. I am trying to install Gnome 2.13 using Garnome, but I am running into a checksum error. Can anyone help? I have never had a checksum error... |
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| 13:08.06 | motty | trying to connect to printer epson c44ux evrything in the dialogs show no problems but actualy does not print at all debian sarge |
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| 13:08.32 | nvz | motty: shut up. how about that. |
| 13:09.15 | nvz | motty: if you are not getting a response its because your question doesnt contain enough information to trigger a response from anyone, repeating that line every 2 minutes will only get everyone in here /ignoring you |
| 13:09.26 | wols_ | !tell motty about guidelines |
| 13:09.34 | wols_ | and especially look at 3) |
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| 13:09.45 | nvz | motty: "trying to connecT" and "everything in the dialogs" is ambiguously vague |
| 13:10.35 | nvz | motty: you need to be specific about what you did.. I.e. I installed cups...blah.. and what happened.. it says error 1d10t: plug in your printer. |
| 13:11.03 | nvz | motty: most important of all, dont repeat. its annoying and unproductive |
| 13:11.59 | JediMaster | ok, this infuriates me: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserversystem/facts/casestudies/CaseStudy.aspx?CaseStudyID=17131 |
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| 13:12.09 | nvz | I am getting sick of this damn office chair.. the wheels wont quit falling off.. I am about to have my buddy come over and weld the fuckers on |
| 13:12.36 | wols_ | have you considering giving the chair to Mr. ballmer? |
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| 13:12.52 | nvz | JediMaster: yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah. yeah.. blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah |
| 13:12.53 | JediMaster | microsoft keep calling this 11 year old version of SCO Unix "Linux", and saying that they would need to have install a windows machine to do remote management if they moved to linux |
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| 13:13.24 | JediMaster | nvz: think they'll ever stop talking this crap? |
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| 13:13.40 | nvz | wols_: what makes you think mr ballmer would take a 2nd hand office chair off of me? |
| 13:13.42 | incorrect | has anyone come across cacti saying 'rrdtool says: graph access denied' ? google isnt being very helpful either |
| 13:13.54 | wols_ | nvz: ammunition could be tight |
| 13:13.56 | vulture | JediMaster: Um.. no they don'. |
| 13:14.02 | nvz | JediMaster: not as long as there is air to brethe. |
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| 13:14.08 | JediMaster | lol |
| 13:14.11 | vulture | JediMaster: A 3 second scan of the document shows that they refer to SCO UNIX and Red Hat Linux. |
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| 13:14.27 | Dewi | JediMaster: on the other hand, VNC is bloody slow compared to terminal services. And until recently in debian testing, very unstable if it wasn't attached to xfree86 (making it slower still) |
| 13:14.28 | JediMaster | vulture: yeah, I know |
| 13:14.28 | vulture | Doesn't seem to imply that SCO UNIX is a Linux distribution at all. |
| 13:14.42 | vulture | " microsoft keep calling this 11 year old version of SCO Unix "Linux"," |
| 13:14.43 | Eulex | incorrect, I've never heard cacti saying anything. they're just quiet and stingy. |
| 13:14.49 | vulture | clearly not what they're saying. |
| 13:14.51 | JediMaster | vulture: they do imply it and don't make it clear at all |
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| 13:14.59 | vulture | "The company identi¬fied three choices: upgrade to a newer ver¬sion of SCO UNIX; move to an open source solution based on Red Hat Linux;" |
| 13:15.03 | vulture | seems pretty clear |
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| 13:15.08 | wols_ | Dewi: unlike windows, linux does not need or what stupid remote desktop protocols to administer a machine from remote |
| 13:15.17 | nvz | last thing I heard about the whole SCO/IBM thing is that IBM is demanding that microsoft come clean about taking part in bringing SCO back from the dead to haunt IBM and linux |
| 13:15.21 | wols_ | anytone who does it this way should be shot and quartered |
| 13:15.26 | Dewi | wols_: well, yeah |
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| 13:15.30 | vulture | "SCO UNIX was dismissed early because it posed a high level of business risk, leaving RadioShack to choose between Windows and Red Hat Linux." |
| 13:15.30 | JediMaster | vulture: shame they didn't identify their only real choice, debian =) |
| 13:15.36 | nvz | but thats still off topic and pointless to discuss |
| 13:15.40 | vulture | and then hey go on to compare Red Hat Linux.. not SCO UNIX. |
| 13:15.44 | incorrect | Eulex well that was just so funny |
| 13:15.58 | Dewi | wols_: however if they're stuck with some crappy graphical approach because they don't want to train their staff, remote access *is* easier with windows |
| 13:16.20 | vulture | JediMaster: That was the choice RadioShak were investigating, not Debian. That's possibly not an oversight - RedHat is a commercial company. It means they have someone to come crying to (and eventually sue) if it doesn't work. |
| 13:16.27 | wols_ | Dewi: no is. not. there is something called remote x which has been available for about 20+ years now... |
| 13:16.28 | Dewi | wols_: personally I'd prefer openssh with the occasional X forward any day |
| 13:16.45 | vulture | Though it's not impossible to hire people to maintain a Debian system either, from a management perspective it doesn't look so good. |
| 13:16.51 | wols_ | longer than there are network cards for windows |
| 13:16.53 | Dewi | wols_: remote X is slow as hell, and fairly unstable. You lose connection and that's it, your app died |
| 13:16.56 | vulture | (sorry, "from the perspective of management") |
| 13:16.56 | panos_ | jm_ damn it doesn't work |
| 13:17.03 | panos_ | :( |
| 13:17.10 | nvz | ok, we got debian issues slipping through the cracks here, and you people are arguing about a SCO tabloid? |
| 13:17.26 | jm_ | panos_: my firewall script is very similar to this and I can tell you it works just fine |
| 13:17.30 | nvz | this isnt like nvz talking about cheerleaders @ 3am when everyone is asleep :P |
| 13:17.35 | JediMaster | vulture: more and more companies now days are employing debian sys admins (I know I've been to 5 interviews in teh last week in london asking for just that), but some companies still feel they need a big name behind the OS to make sure it works |
| 13:17.39 | Dewi | nvz: hehe |
| 13:17.41 | nvz | heh |
| 13:17.46 | Dewi | nvz: this is #debian - does it ever sleep? |
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| 13:17.54 | Dewi | nvz: it's nearly midnight here |
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| 13:18.03 | vulture | JediMaster: Right. I don't think either position is fundamentally incorrect. |
| 13:18.04 | wols_ | Dewi: only when nvz talks about cheerleders without pics |
| 13:18.22 | nvz | Dewi: yeah around early morning time for me US Eastern.. this place is almost always dead |
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| 13:19.00 | panos_ | jm_: I have changed the variables for the two interfaces (eth0, eth1) and I get no errors when I run the script |
| 13:19.06 | nvz | I _do_ have a year book you know if you are really that interested in the illistrated version .. heh |
| 13:19.14 | panos_ | jm_, yet I can't ping any hosts |
| 13:19.30 | JediMaster | vulture: I suppose, debian may do well if it offered some sort of paid technical support to larger companies, but still based on the GPL/free releases |
| 13:19.33 | Dewi | I have a brand new SATA disk sitting on /dev/sdb. What do I do to... er... put ext3 on there? Before I get to mounting it? |
| 13:19.50 | nvz | and half these chics still live around here, a few beers and I can probably get them to put on that cheerleading uniform and pose for some pictures |
| 13:19.51 | vulture | JediMaster: It might. I don't see that it needs to. |
| 13:20.21 | JediMaster | vulture: certainly doesn't have to, but a lot more companies would feel better migrating to it if they did |
| 13:20.35 | panos_ | jm_, could it be something with the route table or something else not related to the script? |
| 13:20.39 | nvz | but thats besides the point.. we are still badly off-topic |
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| 13:20.47 | nvz | and its looking lively in here now |
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| 13:21.06 | Dewi | yeah, nvz has convinced *me* to ask a question |
| 13:21.11 | nvz | heh |
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| 13:21.13 | vulture | JediMaster: Point being, I don't necessarily see driving Debian into business as a core objective.. *shrugs* |
| 13:21.48 | nvz | I am wondering if that printer question has been reprased to make sense yet... or if its just getting lost in the confusion |
| 13:22.10 | nvz | he only asked the question half a dozen times in an ungrokable format |
| 13:22.17 | JediMaster | vulture: yeah, and even without paid support, more and more companies are embracing it than ever |
| 13:22.30 | jm_ | panos_: do you have support for that in kernel? |
| 13:22.55 | CosmicHippo | okay, I've got a question. say, hypothetically, if I were to accidently delete the apache2 script init.d permanently... how would I get it back? reinstall apache2 doesn't do it. there are other scripts, but they don't provide full functionality and aren't full compatible with debian. (I'm using stable/testing). an easy way to regenerate that script? |
| 13:23.03 | JediMaster | vulture: but that is the number 1 reason I've always been given for companies going to something other than debian, paid support. |
| 13:23.12 | CosmicHippo | (also, by hypothetically, I mean not hypothetically: I deleted the apache2 script!) |
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| 13:23.34 | silvestre | ow |
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| 13:23.42 | silvestre | hellow there |
| 13:23.54 | JediMaster | vulture: and many of these companies will be happy to pay $150-200/hour for support if it's from a reliable source |
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| 13:24.23 | djs_2_6 | Anyone here willing to help a dumb noob figure out a scripted md5 checksum error...? |
| 13:24.29 | panos_ | jm_ how can I check this? |
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| 13:25.28 | Dewi | in my /proc/scsi/scsi file, there are two devices listed: scsi0 and scsi1. Presumably they correspond to my two SATA disks. Can I be absolutely 100% certain scsi0 = sda and scsi1 = sdb? |
| 13:25.30 | jm_ | panos_: does it show up in /proc/net/ip_conntrack when you ping it? |
| 13:25.57 | Dewi | is there some other source of information I can look at for this kind of thing? |
| 13:26.15 | rvsjoen | CosmicHippo: have you tried apt-get install with the --force-yes option ? |
| 13:26.19 | nvz | Dewi: dmesg.log should show your SATA Disk information |
| 13:26.24 | jm_ | Dewi: kernel tells you |
| 13:26.35 | Dewi | jm_: you mean dmesg too? |
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| 13:26.41 | nvz | Dewi: no |
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| 13:26.43 | jm_ | Dewi: yes, dmesg logfile |
| 13:26.49 | nvz | Dewi: dmesg != dmesg.log |
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| 13:26.54 | Dewi | .... oh |
| 13:27.04 | Dewi | um... how are they different? |
| 13:27.06 | nvz | Dewi: dmesg command only holds a limited buffer.. thats saved at boot to the log |
| 13:27.09 | Dewi | I thought the log just went back further |
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| 13:27.13 | Dewi | the file I mean |
| 13:27.14 | nvz | Dewi: exactly |
| 13:27.30 | Dewi | so to look up stuff from boot in long running system I use the log file, right. thx |
| 13:27.30 | nvz | Dewi: dmesg may not have that info anymore if the system has been running |
| 13:27.30 | jm_ | dmesg shows messages from kernel's ring buffer, which gets overwritten with new entries, log is dumped at boot |
| 13:27.43 | Dewi | oh |
| 13:27.44 | Dewi | so |
| 13:27.45 | trashed | is there a quick easy way to find a networked printer connected to a windows machine at all?? |
| 13:27.53 | Dewi | does dmesg.log keep gaining data during runtime? |
| 13:27.58 | nvz | Dewi: no |
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| 13:28.41 | Dewi | nvz: oh. I never realised that. I wonder if that's the same on openbsd... which I'm more used to in some matters |
| 13:28.41 | rvsjoen | to get rid of this message: hw_random RNG not detected, can I just uncomment the "alias char-major-10-183 hw_random" line from modules.conf or would that cause other problems ? |
| 13:28.42 | nvz | Dewi: have a look at /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh sometime it runs last in rc.S and handles creation of that log |
| 13:28.56 | rvsjoen | I mean comment out, not uncomment |
| 13:29.06 | silvestre | carae |
| 13:29.11 | nvz | Dewi: among other misc. boot tasks |
| 13:29.13 | motty | this is what i have done apt-get install cupsys cupsys-driver-gimpprint smbclient libcupsys2-dev libpng12-dev libltdl3-dev libcupsimage2-dev alien psfontmgr gs-gpl gs-esp |
| 13:30.11 | trashed | thanks |
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| 13:30.34 | panos_ | jm_, ping: unknown host /proc/net/ip_conntrack |
| 13:30.44 | jm_ | panos_: what the hell are you doing? |
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| 13:31.03 | trashed | btw anyone know how to automatically load the ethernet interface at startup?? |
| 13:31.12 | trashed | sorry noob question |
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| 13:31.32 | nvz | trashed: man 5 interfaces, see the auto keyword |
| 13:31.44 | nvz | trashed: e.g. "auto eth0" |
| 13:31.51 | trashed | thanks nvz |
| 13:32.07 | Dewi | what's the name of the partition program used in debian installer these days? and is it something useable later on? |
| 13:32.13 | Dewi | it's more familiar to me than fdisk |
| 13:32.19 | panos_ | jm_, did you mean cat /proc/net/ip_conntrack ? |
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| 13:32.28 | nvz | Dewi: its parted I believe with a custom curses dialog interface |
| 13:32.41 | jm_ | panos_: yes, after you ping some host |
| 13:33.02 | CosmicHippo | rvsjoen: you think that would do it? |
| 13:33.08 | Dewi | nvz: hmm. maybe I should just stick with fdisk then. |
| 13:33.16 | nvz | Dewi: the interface in D-I is completly custom afaik. |
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| 13:33.33 | panos_ | jm_, udp 17 25 src=195.130.105.87 dst=195.130.100.19 sport=2274 dport=53 src=195.130.100.19 dst=195.130.105.87 sport=53 dport=2274 use=1 |
| 13:33.41 | Dewi | nvz: of course then I have to figure out how to create ext3 and edit the fstab as well, D-I was nice and did it all for me |
| 13:34.04 | jm_ | panos_: no, it should say icmp, this is explained in the tutorial (this is name lookup) |
| 13:34.20 | rvsjoen | CosmicHippo: maybe, you should make a backup of the config directory though |
| 13:34.26 | panos_ | ops |
| 13:34.48 | nvz | Dewi: heh. yeah well.. its not that hard. man mkfs, man fstab |
| 13:35.21 | nvz | Dewi: or just be a dipshit and pop in the D-I cd and do it from there :P |
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| 13:37.14 | panos_ | jm_, I get no ICMP entries in /proc/net/ip_conntrack |
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| 13:38.33 | jm_ | panos_: does name resolution work at all? |
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| 13:39.05 | panos_ | jm_ no, when I enable both interfaces (now I'm only with one) it doesn't |
| 13:39.06 | Dewi | nvz: oooooooooh I didn't think of that. But anyway... real fdisk didn't kill me |
| 13:39.21 | nvz | Dewi: put hair on your.... |
| 13:39.23 | nvz | heh |
| 13:39.27 | berzerka | if i have Windows, Linux and possibly even other OS's (BSD or Solaris maybe) on one multiboot-machine, and want to have one data-exchange partition which all of them can access. What filesystem would you choose? FAT32, no unix fs information. NTFS, no write support. Ext2, no native support under Windows.. Which is the most reasonable compromise, what experiences have you made with such installations? |
| 13:39.34 | nvz | dont you just hate it when people say that |
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| 13:39.56 | jm_ | panos_: you need to fix that first, it won't show until then |
| 13:39.57 | Dewi | berzerka: usually FAT32 |
| 13:40.03 | Dewi | berzerka: since at least you can read and write it |
| 13:40.11 | nvz | hmm my sound, sounds well.. shitty.. like my speakers are blown.. |
| 13:40.22 | Dewi | berzerka: unless you reckon you can get windows to write ext2 safely. It seemed too scary for me. |
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| 13:40.57 | Dewi | berzerka: ie I can't remember exactly what the issue was, but I decided to not even try |
| 13:40.57 | berzerka | Dewi: but there are dedicated (userspace) tools for this, are they? any experiences? |
| 13:41.07 | berzerka | okay.. |
| 13:41.07 | panos_ | jm_ that's true but name resolution doesn't work only when I have both interfaces enabled, when I only have eth0 on (like now) it works. I don't know what to try and fix :( |
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| 13:41.16 | nvz | I normally dont ground my speakers.. heh well I mean the power wire is only 12v there is no ground, cause it will ground to the PC's ground when I plug in the phono cable |
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| 13:41.19 | Dewi | berzerka: but maybe you've found better tools than I did :) |
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| 13:41.27 | jm_ | berzerka: ext2 will work fine in Windows |
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| 13:41.41 | berzerka | jm_: really? just like this? |
| 13:41.43 | jm_ | panos_: something's wrong with ip forwarding or your firewall rules |
| 13:41.50 | jm_ | berzerka: search for ext2ifs |
| 13:41.55 | ft | berzerka: http://www.fs-driver.org/ might help |
| 13:42.07 | jm_ | yeah that one |
| 13:42.21 | berzerka | great. thanks a lot! that would be all i could ask. |
| 13:42.24 | Dewi | jm_: it can't write |
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| 13:42.32 | Dewi | jm_: according to its home page |
| 13:42.39 | jm_ | Dewi: yes it can |
| 13:42.46 | berzerka | safely? |
| 13:42.49 | jm_ | Dewi: mind, there are two things called ext2ifs |
| 13:42.54 | Dewi | jm_: heh :P |
| 13:43.04 | jm_ | Dewi: yes :) |
| 13:43.04 | Dewi | oh, I see |
| 13:43.29 | berzerka | okay i will check that out, thank you guys. |
| 13:43.54 | jm_ | I use the ext2ifs found on .au host in Windows for read-only acces, works fine |
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| 13:44.08 | jm_ | except for large files, which I don't care about |
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| 13:44.55 | bcc | hi guys, i got hp printer than pauses between pages whenever i print on debian. can someone help me fix this? i can pay for it. |
| 13:44.56 | panos_ | jm_ my firewal rules are just this script |
| 13:45.19 | amee2k | what is the best way to figure out to what port my infrared port is connected? |
| 13:46.01 | nvz | what? |
| 13:47.05 | amee2k | i want to configure lirc on my laptop but i can't find out what port to configure in /etc/lirc/lirc-modules-source.conf |
| 13:47.09 | jm_ | panos_: well then you need to modify it a bit and make sure forwarding is enabled too, read the tutorial first |
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| 13:48.26 | Fox | did I read "I can pay for it" ? |
| 13:49.04 | Fox | bcc: do you pay when you use google ? |
| 13:49.29 | Dewi | Fox: you're not much of a business genius are you? :P |
| 13:49.29 | nvz | depends on which part of google you use |
| 13:49.47 | nvz | seriously, I was thinking you could pay me and I can tell you to fgi |
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| 13:50.17 | Fox | Dewi: I'm not on #debian to make money you know :) |
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| 13:50.17 | nvz | so what |
| 13:50.17 | Dewi | nvz: god I wish that worked on my boss |
| 13:50.25 | Dewi | nvz: he needs to fgi a whole lot of things, on a half-hourly basis |
| 13:50.31 | nvz | I am not here to have sex, but that doesnt mean I am not open to new ideas :P |
| 13:50.35 | Dewi | nvz: so I can get some fucking work done |
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| 13:50.53 | Fox | nvz: that would be unfare (talking about money ;) |
| 13:51.10 | Dewi | nvz: that gives me an idea |
| 13:51.15 | nvz | heh, oh no |
| 13:51.20 | nvz | I didnt mean you.. |
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| 13:51.23 | Dewi | I'm too lazy to figure out how to write an fstab. I'm willing to pay with sex. |
| 13:51.25 | Fox | lol |
| 13:51.26 | YogSothoth | I want to use "find" but I need to exclude any ".svn" directory from the search. How can I do that? |
| 13:51.37 | nvz | I mean like someone I am infatuated with.. |
| 13:51.48 | jm_ | YogSothoth: info find |
| 13:51.48 | bronze | YogSothoth: use the exclude option |
| 13:51.57 | nvz | like Avril Lavigne.. I just want to lick her for some reason and I dont know why |
| 13:52.04 | yage | I have a LOT of brute force attacks on my ssh port, is there any way to block ips in a smart way? i mean, > 10 failed blocked for 60 mins |
| 13:52.04 | Dewi | nvz: that's horrible |
| 13:52.09 | dak | she needs a good fucking |
| 13:52.11 | jm_ | or rather, info coreutils find |
| 13:52.14 | Dunedan | Does anybody know about problems with kernel 2.6.16 and the graphicdrivers from nvidia? |
| 13:52.20 | Dewi | nvz: I don't know why either. Are you receiving any treatment? |
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| 13:52.28 | Ronin | yage: can ignore them :) |
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| 13:52.31 | dak | Dunedan: nvidia.org |
| 13:52.36 | nvz | I like her teeth, I cant help it |
| 13:52.41 | Fox | Dunedan: I found out there was a problem half an hour back :) |
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| 13:52.42 | dak | or apt-get it |
| 13:52.58 | Fox | dak: even using the one-liner it fails |
| 13:53.03 | nvz | I;d like her a lot more if she'd quit covering shit up.. like bleaching her hair, and putting pasty white foundation on |
| 13:53.04 | Dunedan | Fox: at this time I was trying to install the driver ;-) |
| 13:53.05 | Ronin | but theres a package you can install to drop them if i could only remember the name of it |
| 13:53.09 | dak | well it works great for me |
| 13:53.10 | tpr | oi why cant I see a device in /dev when i MAKEDEV it? :x |
| 13:53.12 | bronze | yage, Iptables can automatically block an IP that connects more than N N times in a time period. |
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| 13:53.37 | GoAuLd | nvz: write she a letter |
| 13:53.41 | nvz | he accent is kinda cute too I guess |
| 13:53.47 | dak | tpr maybe its not in your kernel or loaded module? |
| 13:53.50 | Dewi | nvz: what's her accent? |
| 13:53.53 | yage | bronze, i need to block "unsucessful" logons, they could be suffessful ones |
| 13:54.00 | tpr | dak: oh damn it has to be there too? :p and no it isnt im almost sure of it :) |
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| 13:54.12 | nvz | *shrug* sounds french or maybe canadian.. or french canadian even |
| 13:54.24 | yage | Ronin, thousands per hour are really boring |
| 13:54.32 | bronze | yage: take a look at the iptables recipes they have stuff or that |
| 13:54.35 | nvz | talks like she wants me to lick her or something |
| 13:54.37 | bronze | or=for |
| 13:54.41 | dak | youre going to ask for help then be a smart ass? |
| 13:54.46 | yage | bronze, great, cheers |
| 13:54.58 | tpr | dak: seeing into .config though i should have the module (i2c), but i couldnt modprobe it (i2c-dev |
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| 13:55.12 | bronze | yage: good luck |
| 13:55.13 | dak | why dont you just go on the mod dir and see the file names ? |
| 13:55.15 | kosovo | buahhh |
| 13:55.18 | dak | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:55.19 | kosovo | no me l ocreo |
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| 13:55.22 | kosovo | :D |
| 13:55.28 | Dewi | nvz: I'm not really so good at telling north american accents apart... except the really obvious ones like southern or those english-like vincent-price-type ones |
| 13:55.43 | kosovo | i'm from spain |
| 13:55.48 | dak | she dont have an accent |
| 13:55.55 | kosovo | debian is the best in the world |
| 13:55.58 | Dewi | !es |
| 13:55.58 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 13:55.59 | kosovo | XD |
| 13:56.05 | kosovo | jajaja |
| 13:56.06 | kosovo | xDD |
| 13:56.10 | nvz | Dewi: I can tell cause people in Pittsburgh are "colorful" and I also have travelled around a bit |
| 13:56.11 | tpr | dak: im afraid I dont have it then :( thanks for your help ive to recompile some |
| 13:56.12 | kosovo | thank you |
| 13:56.13 | kosovo | xD |
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| 13:56.21 | baffled | I'm trying to do a dist-upgrade on a sid box but I am stuck at an error with a package needed by postgresql called postgresql-client-common47all.deb or something close to that. Can anyone tell me how to either fix this problem or work/go around the attempt upgrade of this package. I've tried dpkg --configure -a but no joy it just still craps out trying to unpack the postgresql-client-common package. I'm quite frustrated. |
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| 13:56.30 | dak | nvz colorful as in black eh? |
| 13:56.44 | nvz | dak: no as in its a multi-cultural melting pot |
| 13:56.44 | Dewi | nvz: the racism in your country disgusts me |
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| 13:56.51 | Dewi | damn, dak beat me to it |
| 13:56.52 | nvz | Dewi: *shrug* |
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| 13:57.06 | dak | racism in the usa? |
| 13:57.12 | dak | can i say africa ? |
| 13:57.19 | dak | never mind the usa man |
| 13:57.21 | mishmash | I'm trying to transfer data from one debian machine to another over the network, is there an easy way to do that? |
| 13:57.21 | Dewi | nvz: I'm just kidding. I need to stop joking about racism before I visit the states |
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| 13:57.33 | nvz | dak: the steel mills drove people from all around here so many years ago, now we are just over populated with people of all kinds and the mills are all closed |
| 13:57.37 | dak | i dont see any black people in the supream courts in the .eu and such |
| 13:57.37 | Dewi | nvz: I probably should here too, but it's not quite the same |
| 13:57.47 | dak | nvz i know iv been to pitz |
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| 13:57.52 | dak | im in ny |
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| 13:58.06 | dak | the streats suck balls in pitz |
| 13:58.26 | nvz | heh |
| 13:58.31 | Dewi | azeem: sigh, yeah, got it... |
| 13:58.32 | nvz | !yinzersmite dak |
| 13:58.34 | jm_ | yage: or see fail2ban |
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| 13:59.12 | YogSothoth | bronze: I don't find any exlude option for find |
| 13:59.15 | Dewi | oh, am I meant to mount *before* I make a filesys? |
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| 13:59.47 | Dewi | mkfs says it accepts a mount point as target... |
| 14:00.04 | dak | dont mount it before you make the fs |
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| 14:01.26 | yage | jm_, i've found a good iptables solution, it will be fine |
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| 14:03.36 | jm_ | xk: suexec or php-cgiwrap |
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| 14:03.58 | christianp | hi all |
| 14:04.41 | nvz | howdy |
| 14:04.44 | christianp | how can i empty trash via ssh to root user? |
| 14:04.53 | dak | what |
| 14:05.03 | nvz | christianp: ~/.trash-cristian |
| 14:05.11 | xk | jmk: thanks. thought there may have been something different to suexec ;) |
| 14:05.23 | xk | s/k/_/ |
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| 14:06.14 | usn_work | hi folx |
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| 14:06.35 | christianp | nvz, -bash: /root/.trash: No such file or directory |
| 14:07.00 | Belle | Hello |
| 14:07.00 | dak | sounds like some one is on her boyfriends pc |
| 14:07.13 | nvz | eh? |
| 14:07.18 | ubuntu666 | hi. my .bashrc is not being read when I login to the system. it works for other users. i just installed etch and went to sid |
| 14:07.21 | dak | just jokin around |
| 14:07.30 | jm_ | ubuntu666: /msg dpkg bashrc |
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| 14:07.58 | christianp | nvz, ??? |
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| 14:08.04 | abrotman | ubuntu666: hint .. #ubuntu |
| 14:08.09 | dak | chris do "ls -al" |
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| 14:08.14 | dak | and look for the dir *trash* |
| 14:08.23 | dak | unless its kde and its prolly in ~/Desktop |
| 14:08.25 | nvz | dak: dont waste your time.. heh |
| 14:08.26 | ods15 | how would i dl a minimal debian to just install base system? |
| 14:08.32 | jm_ | that's pretty high level of self-confidence, not being able to figure out .bashrc thing and using sid |
| 14:08.33 | abrotman | !d-i ods15 |
| 14:08.33 | dpkg | ods15, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 14:08.34 | ods15 | without internet during install though |
| 14:08.46 | nvz | dak: this person is far too literal to interpret such instructions |
| 14:08.51 | dak | great |
| 14:08.53 | abrotman | ods15: then netinst(105MB) has a *very* basic system |
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| 14:09.05 | JMT | can't anyone tell me what was wrong http://pastebin.com/616024 |
| 14:09.11 | ods15 | abrotman, does it ineed internet during install? |
| 14:09.14 | dak | its amazing how much people would learn if you just looked at some faq's/howto's |
| 14:09.19 | ods15 | and yes, VERY basic is good enough |
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| 14:09.48 | wols_ | ods15: for the very basic stuff: no |
| 14:09.48 | dak | i just found a really good deb website for new years |
| 14:09.51 | dak | hrm |
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| 14:10.30 | bronze | YogSothoth: in "man find" look for the the "-path" option, in that section there is an example using "-prune" which does not produce dried fruit. play with that example untill it does what you want. (NB: yes, it is a little obscure) |
| 14:10.37 | abrotman | ods15: no .. the netinst(NOT THE BusinessCard) requires everything to boot a system |
| 14:10.57 | abrotman | ods15: but IIRC .. you will have no compiler etc ... |
| 14:11.40 | christianp | nvz i think nobody ask for a mandatory answer. If YOU are not avalaible to help someone, DON'T ANSWER! |
| 14:12.03 | bronze | hey all, can somebody 'lart me? what is the command line tool used in debian to do package management? |
| 14:12.05 | nvz | I GAVE YOU THE ANSWER SO DONT DIRECT YOUR SHENANIGANS AT ME |
| 14:12.20 | nvz | its not my fault you are too dumb to understand it |
| 14:12.26 | jm_ | bronze: dpkg |
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| 14:12.36 | bronze | jm_: Mucho gracias! |
| 14:12.43 | dak | christianp: we've ttold you what to do |
| 14:12.50 | dak | its not nvz |
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| 14:13.59 | Smerdyakov | What's the canonical way to find out what version of a package I have installed using a command-line? |
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| 14:14.13 | Fox | Smerdyakov: dpkg -l package |
| 14:14.16 | abrotman | dpkg -l package |
| 14:14.16 | dpkg | ii package 2.9-5 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 14:14.17 | dak | man dpkg |
| 14:14.18 | wols_ | Smerdyakov: dpkg -l is good |
| 14:14.20 | ods15 | abrotman, i need just vi and perl, i will get the perl package seperately... |
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| 14:14.41 | wols_ | ods15: no you don't |
| 14:14.44 | abrotman | ods15: it will come with `nvi` .. not `vim` |
| 14:14.52 | ods15 | whichever |
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| 14:15.04 | ods15 | like i said, very basic system, close to nothing |
| 14:15.04 | zufrz | hi |
| 14:15.06 | wols_ | never ever use a different perl than debian's. bad things could happen |
| 14:15.18 | ods15 | will it have "mount"? :) |
| 14:15.22 | Smerdyakov | Thanks. |
| 14:15.29 | wols_ | it has mount and perl both |
| 14:15.30 | ods15 | wols_, ofcourse, using debian perl package |
| 14:15.31 | dak | qref.sourceforge.net is the site with all the debian guides |
| 14:15.31 | ods15 | bbl |
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| 14:15.37 | nvz | christianp: not to mention there is no such thing is "Trash" and each desktop may do things differently. the trash on my system is in ~/.Trash or ~/.Trash-nvz |
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| 14:15.41 | wols_ | without them, debian wouldn't work |
| 14:15.41 | ods15 | ah, great then, saves me work |
| 14:15.53 | ods15 | heh, pathetic, perl is manditory, that sucks |
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| 14:15.59 | abrotman | nvz: there is a .trash if you're stupid enough to run X as root |
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| 14:16.02 | wols_ | dpkg depends on perl |
| 14:16.06 | ods15 | sorry, i'm a true anti bloat... |
| 14:16.15 | ods15 | ok bye |
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| 14:16.25 | dak | whats more funny is christianp prolly has it set so root can ssh in |
| 14:16.38 | nvz | abrotman: yeah well regaurdless... the question was vague, so was the answer if he cant adapt it or realize that ~/ is not absolute thats not my problem |
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| 14:17.21 | christianp | dak, is a local pc, with no keyboard, video and mouse |
| 14:17.28 | dak | dude |
| 14:17.42 | dak | if you arent running X on the computer you dont have any "trash can" |
| 14:18.00 | christianp | yes, X is not running |
| 14:18.03 | christianp | is not installed |
| 14:18.07 | dak | when you delete a file its gone |
| 14:18.13 | dak | no "trash can" |
| 14:18.17 | d0uglas | dak: you mean recycle bin |
| 14:18.17 | dak | go read qref.sourceforge.net |
| 14:18.18 | baffled | Here is the error message I am getting from dpkg any ideas how to work around this?: |
| 14:18.21 | baffled | Unpacking postgresql-client-common (from postgresql-client-common_47_all.deb) ... |
| 14:18.22 | baffled | sed: Extra characters after command |
| 14:18.22 | baffled | dpkg: error processing postgresql-client-common_47_all.deb (--install): |
| 14:18.23 | dak | tells you so much about debian |
| 14:18.25 | baffled | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:18.25 | baffled | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 14:18.25 | baffled | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:18.32 | Ronin | baffled: plesae stop that |
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| 14:18.45 | abrotman | unless he's got that libtrash stuff installed maybe |
| 14:18.50 | abrotman | which .. you'd konw if you did |
| 14:18.55 | christianp | ahewitt, ok, thanks dak nvz |
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| 14:19.06 | baffled | please stop what asking useful questions? |
| 14:19.13 | d0uglas | shut up |
| 14:19.17 | Juerd | To answer my own question from yesterday: 32 bit install-mbr works well, and you can get it from knoppix, for example. |
| 14:19.20 | nvz | baffled: no flodding the channel |
| 14:19.21 | d0uglas | don't try to twist it all around |
| 14:19.22 | abrotman | baffled: check the BTS? |
| 14:19.26 | Ronin | baffled: no flodding the channel :) |
| 14:19.35 | christianp | s/ahewitt/ah |
| 14:19.36 | abrotman | baffled: stop flooding the channel |
| 14:19.37 | Juerd | I had to install my amd64 system with three different live cd's :) |
| 14:19.42 | azeem | baffled: please use a pastebin |
| 14:19.43 | azeem | !paster |
| 14:19.43 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 14:19.44 | abrotman | !tell baffled about paste |
| 14:19.49 | nvz | baffled: nobody even seen your question cause you flooded and got ignored |
| 14:19.54 | d0uglas | baffled: please don't use this channel for flooding purposes |
| 14:19.54 | christianp | bye |
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| 14:19.55 | dak | christianp: knows perl but cant figure this out nvz |
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| 14:19.59 | dak | the s/ |
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| 14:21.28 | azeem | man, I think baffled understood your concerns by now |
| 14:21.30 | nvz | oh man, that little asshole! |
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| 14:21.58 | nvz | he's talking shit behind my back again.. and it wreaks |
| 14:22.13 | nvz | I need a butt mint or something |
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| 14:22.35 | d0uglas | do butt mints sting |
| 14:22.38 | nvz | probably |
| 14:22.59 | baffled | I understand and qill use paste as soon as I figure out how sorry about the flood. |
| 14:23.05 | nvz | why did everyone stop talking all at once again?! |
| 14:23.12 | dak | douche your ass nvz |
| 14:23.14 | dak | :/ |
| 14:23.20 | nvz | baffled: goto pastebin.com or channels.debian.net/paste |
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| 14:23.38 | nvz | baffled: or ask the question first, then ask the people to join #flood when you need to paste |
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| 14:23.55 | wizzomafizzo | It seems right to go quiet after someone says they need "butt mints". >_> |
| 14:24.01 | d0uglas | baffled: but don't paste in here, this isn't your own little pastebin |
| 14:24.02 | nvz | heh |
| 14:24.43 | wizzomafizzo | And when they go heh apparently. |
| 14:24.57 | nvz | wizzomafizzo: I just have that effect here |
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| 14:25.09 | d0uglas | re root_ |
| 14:25.42 | wizzomafizzo | nvz: Sounds nice. =D |
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| 14:25.59 | GutterPunk | Hello |
| 14:26.08 | nvz | howdy |
| 14:26.38 | GutterPunk | I compiled a new debian kernel from the config found in boot, and I just changed matroxfb to be built into the kernel rather than as a module |
| 14:26.48 | GutterPunk | so I can boot in framebuffer mode |
| 14:27.00 | nvz | GutterPunk: was the kernel the same version and using the same source? |
| 14:27.24 | dak | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:27.31 | GutterPunk | But then I get a kernel panic in /sbin/init 432: cannot open /dev/console: no such file and "kernel panic:not syncing: Attempted to kill init" |
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| 14:27.35 | d0uglas | ^G |
| 14:28.19 | GutterPunk | nvz, well I did make oldconfig... I'll check... Yep same kernel version: 2.6.15 |
| 14:28.37 | dak | thats a crazy error |
| 14:28.45 | dak | sounds like your missing some important stuff heh |
| 14:28.48 | bab_ | Is there such a thing as an IRQ conlict? |
| 14:29.23 | nvz | yes, its when two devices want to use the same IRQ channel and there is not an Advanced IO APIC present to negotiate IRQ sharing |
| 14:29.29 | GutterPunk | Well, it's funny, /dev/console is certainly there when I boot the default kernel :) |
| 14:29.39 | dak | GutterPunk: |
| 14:29.42 | bab_ | IRQ is normally assigned in the BIOS no? |
| 14:29.44 | dak | that is made when the kernel loads |
| 14:29.50 | dak | the new kernel might be missing stuff |
| 14:30.00 | dak | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:30.06 | wizzomafizzo | Why did he make a new kernel with the exact same config? |
| 14:30.07 | nvz | bab_: there is no BIOS, its just a primitive slice of silicon some pcs use to boot linux |
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| 14:30.17 | GutterPunk | dak, I know that's why it's so weird... and this happens before udev |
| 14:30.20 | dak | didnt he say he did oldconfig ? |
| 14:30.23 | d0uglas | i can't believe isaac hayes is a scientologist |
| 14:30.40 | abrotman | GutterPunk: /msg dpkg devconsole |
| 14:30.42 | nvz | bab_: the kernel takes over control of the PIC when it boots |
| 14:30.43 | GutterPunk | wizzomafizzo, I like the default kernel, but I use a matrox card, and I wanted framebuffer @ bootup |
| 14:30.52 | GutterPunk | abrotman, ok |
| 14:31.04 | abrotman | it may or may not help you |
| 14:31.08 | dak | i cant stand framebuffer so sorry |
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| 14:31.20 | wizzomafizzo | GutterPunk, makes sense. |
| 14:31.23 | bab_ | humm... What I'm finally trying to get to is, can an IRQ conflict be present in linux, and absent in windows for the same computer? |
| 14:31.36 | d0uglas | plug and play, yo |
| 14:31.45 | dak | bab_ youre a lost cause |
| 14:31.49 | wizzomafizzo | Is there any way I can spiff up my framebuffer and boot process? Without usplash? |
| 14:31.53 | bab_ | Thanx! |
| 14:31.54 | nvz | bab_: of course |
| 14:31.55 | dak | haha |
| 14:32.09 | wizzomafizzo | Maybe like... a logo? Boot process looks kinda like Gentoo or Arch maybe? |
| 14:32.24 | nvz | bab_: windows respects the BIOS, linux turns it in to non-volitile ram in most cases :P |
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| 14:32.38 | bab_ | ok... |
| 14:33.01 | bab_ | so I will be able to resolve an IRQ conflict relativelly easy on linux |
| 14:33.15 | dak | depends on your board |
| 14:33.22 | dak | and if its new and can do irq sharing |
| 14:33.37 | dak | nvz told ya this already |
| 14:33.43 | Maulkin | wizzomafizzo: There is splashy... |
| 14:33.49 | nvz | depends on the interrupt controller specifically |
| 14:33.57 | Maulkin | wizzomafizzo: But I think it's only in experimental at the mo |
| 14:34.09 | dak | how are you running out of irq's anyway for god sakes |
| 14:34.23 | d0uglas | viagra rules |
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| 14:34.35 | dak | im too scared to take viagra |
| 14:34.38 | bab_ | I'm not even trying to use them... just the lan card and the wifi cards conflict... |
| 14:34.39 | Maulkin | viagra/rules clean? |
| 14:34.42 | d0uglas | dak it's good shit |
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| 14:34.47 | dak | im pretty young |
| 14:34.48 | dak | 24 |
| 14:34.49 | wizzomafizzo | Maulkin, well I was just looking for something basic, like... not graphical really. And preferably not experimental. |
| 14:34.51 | dak | i dont need it yet |
| 14:34.53 | bab_ | It seems to be because of such a conflict... |
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| 14:35.04 | d0uglas | i'm 25 and "dont need it" but it enhances things |
| 14:35.08 | d0uglas | you'll feel 20 again |
| 14:35.22 | nkuttler | haha |
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| 14:35.37 | dak | friend of mine took alot of that and cialic?s one night and he came so many times he started to cum pink |
| 14:35.45 | nkuttler | this is kind of off-topic, but i feel better every day and i'm 29 |
| 14:35.47 | abrotman | uh |
| 14:35.54 | Maulkin | wizzomafizzo: I'm not sure exactly what you mean. |
| 14:35.59 | nvz | which by their nature most modern ones are programmable inturrupt controllers which means the IRQs are not fixed. they can be programmed to any device. now APICs are a whole different ballgame, and APIC uses logical IRQ tables and helps work out IRQ sharing and such.. normally x86 only has 16 IRQs 0-F but with APIC, there can be twice as many or more available to the OS |
| 14:36.04 | nkuttler | jeezuz... 24 and taking such things |
| 14:36.05 | dak | but thats like 5 viagra's and a few cialces |
| 14:36.08 | d0uglas | i'm going to google coming pink |
| 14:36.11 | dak | hes like 27 :/ |
| 14:36.13 | dak | anyway |
| 14:36.40 | nvz | who's 27 |
| 14:36.41 | dak | d03boy he had blood in his shit from 12 hours of whatever he was doing |
| 14:36.47 | nkuttler | just do some sports and drop the chemos |
| 14:36.50 | wizzomafizzo | Maulkin, rather then a blazing graphical boot with status bars and stuff I mean like how some distros have a logo top right. Or maybe you've seen the gentoo boot process. |
| 14:36.51 | nkuttler | nm |
| 14:36.52 | dak | red and white = pink |
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| 14:37.00 | wizzomafizzo | top left* |
| 14:37.10 | Janker | âÑÅÌ ÏÐÈÂÅÒ! |
| 14:37.13 | nvz | man I am like the youngest person just about everywhere I go.. heh even helix is older than me :P |
| 14:37.17 | Maulkin | wizzomafizzo: Ahhh, I think I know what you mean :) |
| 14:37.21 | dak | shits nasty |
| 14:37.31 | strider | wizzomafizzo: you mean like the penguin logo? |
| 14:37.38 | wizzomafizzo | Yes, exactly. |
| 14:37.49 | nvz | well at least phated is still here .. heh |
| 14:37.57 | nvz | I can be older than someone |
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| 14:38.13 | Maulkin | wizzomafizzo: IIRC, that's something the framebuffer system will do. |
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| 14:38.29 | wizzomafizzo | Maulkin, do you know how I can enable it? |
| 14:38.29 | d0uglas | dak: is "cum" the official spelling or is that just vernacular |
| 14:38.32 | strider | wizzomafizzo: that's vesafb |
| 14:38.49 | Maulkin | wizzomafizzo: see strider :) |
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| 14:39.06 | wizzomafizzo | strider, same question, do you know how to enable it? |
| 14:39.33 | Phated | nvz: ? |
| 14:39.37 | nvz | ;) |
| 14:39.44 | Phated | Ah. |
| 14:39.47 | nvz | Phated: you's the youngin not me! |
| 14:40.00 | abrotman | nvz: i think you're older than paulswm |
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| 14:40.04 | GutterPunk | abrotman, funny thing is, I booted from a live cd, mounted my debian partition, and to my surprise /dev/console was there already, followed the instructions though but it's not working :( |
| 14:40.06 | kmilo | Hi |
| 14:40.08 | Phated | True. |
| 14:40.14 | nvz | I dont know about that.. |
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| 14:40.15 | d0uglas | hi kmilo |
| 14:40.21 | dak | gutter is another lost cause |
| 14:40.26 | abrotman | GutterPunk: did you last book the broken kernel or a working one ? |
| 14:40.35 | kmilo | Where are can I find the woody iso for ppc? |
| 14:40.43 | GutterPunk | abrotman, the broken one |
| 14:40.45 | strider | wizzomafizzo: don't know how to enable it on a stock kernel. |
| 14:40.46 | abrotman | woody ... for real?> |
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| 14:41.10 | abrotman | GutterPunk: uhm .. ok .. then i'm out of ideas .. try google .. that URL usually works |
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| 14:41.19 | nvz | oh well I should probably wash some clothes and get ready to go to the liquor store |
| 14:41.24 | abrotman | kmilo: do you really want woody? |
| 14:41.42 | d0uglas | drinking during the morning is underrated |
| 14:41.44 | dak | google for the woody iso |
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| 14:41.48 | dak | google everything |
| 14:41.54 | nvz | d0uglas: going for a tax form, not for alcohol |
| 14:42.00 | d0uglas | oh |
| 14:42.18 | nvz | d0uglas: thats were you get tax forms in this fucked up state |
| 14:42.34 | abrotman | nvz: try the post office |
| 14:42.48 | nvz | abrotman: nope, thats federal |
| 14:42.56 | nvz | abrotman: state forms are at the liquor store |
| 14:42.58 | abrotman | you pay your state taxes? |
| 14:43.04 | abrotman | i'm shocked |
| 14:43.06 | ansimation | how old are you people? |
| 14:43.07 | nvz | abrotman: which happens to be right next door |
| 14:43.09 | kmilo | abrotman, I want sarge, but is a old mac and the people of debian-ppc say me I need woody |
| 14:43.14 | wizzomafizzo | strider, thanks anyway, at least I know what to google now. |
| 14:43.18 | d0uglas | !polling |
| 14:43.20 | nvz | I am 22. I will be 23 in August not that it matters |
| 14:43.30 | abrotman | kmilo: how old is old? |
| 14:43.43 | abrotman | it's not even sunday .. |
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| 14:43.57 | ansimation | i was gonna say. if you were like 15 i was gonna feel like an idiot. heh |
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| 14:44.20 | andriijas | how do i apt get the source from a package? |
| 14:44.20 | nvz | nope I didn tknow about linux when I was 15 unfortunaly |
| 14:44.21 | kmilo | abrotman, performa 6400/180 |
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| 14:44.39 | kmilo | andriijas: configure sources-list with deb-src |
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| 14:44.42 | abrotman | kmilo: uhm .. ok |
| 14:44.48 | Maulkin | kmilo: That should run sarge... |
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| 14:44.55 | ansimation | sombitch |
| 14:45.06 | abrotman | kmilo: how much RAM? |
| 14:45.12 | kmilo | abrotman, 16 |
| 14:45.18 | abrotman | Maulkin: that won't :) |
| 14:45.20 | d0uglas | haven't seen bob2 around lately |
| 14:45.28 | nvz | man screw what I said earlier.. this song just came on and made me realize who I'd really like to lick.. and thats this Jennifer Nettles or whatever her name is |
| 14:45.30 | ansimation | i could use about 10gigs od pc133 ;/ |
| 14:45.37 | abrotman | d0uglas: no .. you scared him off |
| 14:45.40 | ansimation | of* |
| 14:46.18 | abrotman | kmilo: you may have to use jigdo |
| 14:46.20 | Maulkin | abrotman: Yup :) |
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| 14:46.32 | d0uglas | abrotman: bob2 kills you in a google fight |
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| 14:46.33 | Maulkin | abrotman: Well, yes, it won't run it :) |
| 14:46.34 | strider | wizzomafizzo: if you get it working with the debian kernel, let me know ;) |
| 14:46.45 | kmilo | abrotman: i think the same but i can't find the .jigdo for woody |
| 14:46.49 | nvz | watching her sing drives me nuts.. that thing.. the thing she does with her tounge.. omfg |
| 14:46.52 | abrotman | kmilo: let me look |
| 14:47.07 | abrotman | d0uglas: i'd fuck you up in a real fight .. have a nice day |
| 14:47.39 | d0uglas | not if bob2 had my back... |
| 14:47.52 | abrotman | you don't even know where he is .. why don't you go find him |
| 14:47.57 | nvz | what happened to bob2 anyhow |
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| 14:48.19 | d0uglas | he's not coming up on /whowas bob2 :-( |
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| 14:48.45 | stew | !seen bob2 |
| 14:48.46 | dpkg | bob2 <i=rob@crumbs.ertius.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 98d 7h 43m 27s ago, saying: 'Mortal1: np, good luck'. |
| 14:49.05 | abrotman | he's been on fn since then |
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| 14:49.25 | stew | he's uploaded since then |
| 14:49.30 | stew | !maint bzr |
| 14:49.32 | dpkg | bzr: Rob Weir <rweir@ertius.org> |
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| 14:49.46 | subopt | Anyone know how to get a bar cursor in an xterm or rxvt? |
| 14:50.24 | cdurham | j/ #noc |
| 14:50.47 | nkuttler | subopt: the man pages are probably a good place to search |
| 14:51.28 | subopt | nkuttler: Been there. Can't find anything, except how to get the block cursor to flash (not what i want). |
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| 14:52.16 | Fox | subopt: tried 'xterm -leftbar' ? |
| 14:52.16 | stew | dak: please turn that off in here |
| 14:52.31 | nvz | man I must be getting over this cold.. I was going days without eating now it seems like I am getting hungry every 2 hours |
| 14:52.34 | abrotman | or just kick him .. he's not helping or asking anyways |
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| 14:52.47 | nvz | I ate twice already and I am hungry again and is not even 10am |
| 14:52.57 | abrotman | nvz: soon you'll look like tarzeau! |
| 14:53.13 | tarzeau | abrotman: huh |
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| 14:53.14 | nvz | abrotman: heh, well I weighed in at 178lbs this morning |
| 14:53.18 | abrotman | hehe |
| 14:53.19 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm only 79kg |
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| 14:53.27 | abrotman | tarzeau: ah .. you're a model now eh? |
| 14:53.28 | kmilo | andriijas: how is your sources.list? |
| 14:53.29 | subopt | Fox: that doesn't change the cursor. |
| 14:53.36 | tarzeau | abrotman: no, i'd be with 71kg |
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| 14:53.46 | tarzeau | abrotman: but i'm doing sports now, and targetting 71... |
| 14:54.06 | aboyousif | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:54.13 | aboyousif | i tried $ alsactl store but invain |
| 14:54.22 | narma | hello, I have to connect a linux system to a SCO thought NFS. Is it possible ? I mean is any NFS client (linux here) can conencte to any NFS server (SCO) ? |
| 14:54.25 | GoAuLd | aboyousif, as root ? |
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| 14:54.36 | aboyousif | yes |
| 14:54.42 | nvz | heh found my miller light armband from newyears.. I should probably throw this away |
| 14:54.45 | abrotman | kmilo: how about floppies? |
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| 14:55.12 | Fox | subopt: you want it to flash all the time ? |
| 14:55.21 | kmilo | abrotman, i think it too, but the machine doesn't have a ethernet port or modem |
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| 14:55.31 | abrotman | kmilo: what does it have? |
| 14:55.32 | TheNeuneu | salut |
| 14:55.37 | nvz | better yet I'll auction it off on ebay so you guys can have some nvz memorbillllia .. I probably sweat on it or something |
| 14:55.44 | nvz | heh |
| 14:55.49 | TheNeuneu | j'aurais besoin d'un coup de pouce pour configurer la construction d un packet |
| 14:55.51 | kmilo | abrotman, Can I boot from woody floppys and install from sarge cdrom? |
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| 14:55.55 | subopt | Fox: I'd rather it didn't, but i'll take it, if it gets me a bar cursor. |
| 14:56.02 | GoAuLd | aboyousif, that's weird, maybe your Window Manager is fucking the thing re stabilishing new values for the sound card |
| 14:56.05 | abrotman | kmilo: it's possible .. |
| 14:56.06 | nvz | TheNeuneu: #debian-fr |
| 14:56.10 | GoAuLd | try configuring it there |
| 14:56.12 | TheNeuneu | thanks |
| 14:56.17 | abrotman | kmilo: you'd think once you get a system going .. you could dist-upgrade to sarge |
| 14:56.22 | abrotman | kmilo: why no intarweb? |
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| 14:56.49 | aboyousif | GoAuLd, and what should i do ? |
| 14:56.50 | nvz | TheNeuneu: no probleme |
| 14:56.57 | nvz | or however you say that in french |
| 14:57.07 | nvz | I havent had a french lesson in like 10 years |
| 14:57.17 | kmilo | abrotman, what is intarweb? |
| 14:57.20 | GoAuLd | aboyousif, configure sound system in your window manager |
| 14:57.36 | abrotman | kmilo: internet :) |
| 14:57.55 | aboyousif | GoAuLd, you mean run alsaconf in gnome ? |
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| 14:58.00 | abrotman | kmilo: alternately .. i bet you can buy a woody CD set ... |
| 14:58.02 | Fox | subopt: xterm -sb ? |
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| 14:58.06 | abrotman | kmilo: you can't find more RAM for it ? |
| 14:58.36 | narma | so can I connect a debian linux to a SCO via NFS ? |
| 14:58.40 | subopt | Fox: That's a scrollbar option. Has nothing to do with the cursor. |
| 14:58.42 | Maulkin | kmilo: I *may* have some RAM here going spare... |
| 14:58.57 | kmilo | abrotman, i must the manual say the installar needs 32 and 24 for running the system |
| 14:59.03 | dos000 | is there a way to get iptables to log traffic matching a criteria to mysql ? i looked at ulog but it looks like its for dropped packets |
| 14:59.18 | abrotman | kmilo: i did an install on x86 for sarge with 24 a few weeks ago . really painful .. but it did work |
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| 14:59.43 | siegie | how can i change my text font in text mode (alt-control-f1) |
| 15:00.09 | GoAuLd | aboyousif, i had a similar problem and i think i solved it by choosing "Alsa sound system" in my "Kde menu, system preferences, system sound" (it was OSS, changing to alsa worked) |
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| 15:00.20 | Fox | subopt: sorry, missunderstood the question, english isn't my native language :) |
| 15:00.22 | siegie | i want the font smaller i have a big lcd display |
| 15:00.22 | abrotman | kmilo: the jigdo for woody has to be somewhere |
| 15:00.47 | Maulkin | kmilo: Could you mail me at neilm@debian.org, and I'll have a look later to see if I've got some ram going spare :) |
| 15:01.00 | kmilo | abrotman, i guess but i can't find it |
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| 15:01.08 | abrotman | kmilo: let me keep looking |
| 15:01.13 | abrotman | what kind of RAM does it take? |
| 15:01.31 | nkuttler | siegie: try setfont |
| 15:03.08 | GoAuLd | aboyousif, i dont have gnome so i dont know whether u can choose that option or not |
| 15:03.38 | siegie | nkuttler: it doesn't excist |
| 15:03.58 | aboyousif | i checked it now after alsaconf it is all alsa .. after the reboot will try to change it |
| 15:04.23 | abrotman | kmilo: alternately .. email debian-user@lists.debian.org .. ask where to get the woody jigdo files |
| 15:04.28 | nvz | my mother keeps two hampers at the bottom of the stairs in her house.. one labled "colored", and the other labled "whites". I am not sure which question is more pressing.. "Are you trying to reintroduce segrigation?" or "Who's clothes are you washing?" |
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| 15:04.45 | baffled | Okay, folks, I figured out a way around the problem. Thank you for your attempted help. |
| 15:04.49 | abrotman | kmilo: nm .. |
| 15:04.50 | nkuttler | siegie: doesn't exist is pretty vague. apt-cache search setfont |
| 15:04.52 | abrotman | kmilo: still there? |
| 15:05.07 | kmilo | abrotman, sure |
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| 15:05.19 | abrotman | kmilo: ftp://carroll.aset.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian-cd/3.0_r6/jigdo/m68k/ .. you so owe me a beer :) |
| 15:05.30 | kmilo | abrotman: :) |
| 15:05.34 | abrotman | kmilo: those are full ISOs |
| 15:05.49 | aboyousif | GoAuLd, thanks alot |
| 15:06.03 | abrotman | nvz: why .. you have IC Light .. in aluminum bottles! |
| 15:06.08 | nvz | heh |
| 15:06.19 | nvz | this is true.. I forgot about those |
| 15:07.16 | coolpix | lo |
| 15:07.18 | nvz | I remember the first time I heard Adam Duritz say Al - U - Mini - Um and I actually went and looked it up before I realized what he said |
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| 15:07.30 | kmilo | abrotman: thanks, i search for those .jigdos yerterday for many hours |
| 15:07.39 | x`y`-xy | where i can find lilo.conf in debian ? |
| 15:07.40 | abrotman | kmilo: those are the jigdos |
| 15:07.46 | abrotman | kmilo: or rather .. aren't |
| 15:07.48 | x`y`-xy | pls |
| 15:07.57 | Maulkin | x`y`-xy: /etc/lilo.conf |
| 15:08.06 | x`y`-xy | is not |
| 15:08.22 | Eulex | x`y`-xy, why not use grub? |
| 15:08.47 | abrotman | kmilo: i just happened to know that the PSU mirror sucks and is usually out of date .. figured they might have them :) |
| 15:08.48 | dimir | !nickometer x`y`-xy |
| 15:08.49 | dpkg | 'x`y`-xy' is 80.000% lame, dimir |
| 15:09.07 | kmilo | Maulkin, about the ram, thanks but i'm in colombia and believe that the shipment will cost more than buy the ram in a local shop |
| 15:09.20 | x`y`-xy | i remember ...i have installed |
| 15:09.22 | x`y`-xy | but |
| 15:09.31 | abrotman | kmilo: if it's cheap enough .. max the machine out .. |
| 15:09.49 | Maulkin | kmilo: No, my work can pay :) |
| 15:10.02 | kmilo | abrotman, what sucks for ones, is a fortune for others |
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| 15:10.22 | jasondddd | what package is mysiamchk in ? |
| 15:10.23 | abrotman | kmilo: ah .. true |
| 15:10.29 | abrotman | kmilo: what kind of RAM does it take? |
| 15:10.31 | Eulex | x`y`-xy, what's your native language? |
| 15:10.46 | x`y`-xy | romanian |
| 15:10.55 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:11.07 | kmilo | abrotman, right now my http is failing and that info is in the mail |
| 15:11.10 | nvz | get my junk pc collection working again :P |
| 15:11.23 | abrotman | kmilo: it's a performa 6100/???? ? |
| 15:11.27 | poks | !nickometer poks |
| 15:11.29 | dpkg | 'poks' is 0.000% lame, poks |
| 15:11.36 | nvz | actually I think I only bought 4 of em |
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| 15:12.02 | x`y`-xy | i use grub 0.95 .... |
| 15:12.04 | kmilo | abrotman, 6400/180 |
| 15:12.15 | x`y`-xy | where i can find lilo.conf |
| 15:12.18 | x`y`-xy | in debian |
| 15:12.19 | kmilo | abrotman, i found the specs in the apple page |
| 15:12.26 | x`y`-xy | cause in /etc |
| 15:12.28 | x`y`-xy | is nor |
| 15:12.31 | x`y`-xy | not |
| 15:12.35 | kmilo | x`y`-xy: /etc/lilo.conf |
| 15:12.45 | Maulkin | x`y`-xy: If you're using grub, you won't have a lilo.conf |
| 15:12.46 | nkuttler | x`y`-xy: do you even have lilo installed? |
| 15:12.50 | vin` | x`y`-xy: if you're using grub, why are you searching for lilo........ |
| 15:12.51 | kmilo | x`y`-xy: dpkg -l | grep lilo |
| 15:12.54 | Maulkin | x`y`-xy: Because that is for lilo... |
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| 15:13.08 | abrotman | kmilo: http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_performa/stats/mac_performa_6400_180.html .. that? |
| 15:13.09 | jasondddd | what mysql package do i need to get for mysiamchk or how can i search whats in a package with apt-cache |
| 15:13.15 | x`y`-xy | cause i recompilede a kernel |
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| 15:13.25 | kmilo | abrotman, yes |
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| 15:13.35 | abrotman | kmilo: so two 64MB sticks huh .. |
| 15:13.37 | nkuttler | jasondddd: /msg dpkg search |
| 15:13.44 | x`y`-xy | and now i must edit lilo.conf |
| 15:13.51 | abrotman | kmilo: and FPM it looks like .. |
| 15:13.59 | nvz | kmilo: you are aware dpkg -l takes an argument, and you dont have to pipe in through grep.. since there is probably only one match anyhow |
| 15:14.15 | abrotman | kmilo: all i can find is 30pin on my desk :) |
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| 15:15.01 | kmilo | nvz, is my bad custom |
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| 15:15.24 | kmilo | x`y`-xy: did you boot with lilo or grub? |
| 15:16.07 | nvz | you shall become accustomed to customized customs! |
| 15:16.13 | x`y`-xy | with grub |
| 15:16.24 | kmilo | nvz, dpkg -l lilo* give me un lilo |
| 15:16.53 | kmilo | nvz, dpkg -l | grep lilo not gives un packages |
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| 15:17.29 | nvz | kmilo: I noticed. though I cant explain it. |
| 15:17.40 | x`y`-xy | kmilo what cand i do ??? |
| 15:18.14 | Maulkin | x`y`-xy: either edit /boot/grub/menu.lst or install lilo |
| 15:18.26 | weissi | !test |
| 15:18.26 | dpkg | No, weissi, you're not online any more. |
| 15:18.27 | weissi | !test |
| 15:18.37 | x`y`-xy | ok ...how can install lilo |
| 15:18.46 | nvz | yeah the manpage doesnt mention it, but apperently -l without and argument matches only installed packages |
| 15:19.09 | Eulex | x`y`-xy, are you sure that you want lilo? grub is much nicer. |
| 15:19.17 | x`y`-xy | ok |
| 15:19.33 | x`y`-xy | i will try to edit the grub |
| 15:19.47 | nvz | abrotman: I forgot to mention that I am not _paying_ taxes I am looking for a _refund_ |
| 15:19.53 | abrotman | from the state? |
| 15:19.57 | abrotman | hahahahahhahahah |
| 15:20.01 | nvz | abrotman: people who dont own anything dont pay taxes |
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| 15:20.32 | nvz | abrotman: until this year I didnt exist pretty much anywhere but the social security office and the sewickley valley hospital |
| 15:20.32 | Eulex | x`y`-xy, how did you compile the kernel? with make or make-kpkg? |
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| 15:20.46 | abrotman | nvz: i'm shocked |
| 15:20.48 | nvz | abrotman: but my name is still not on anything taxable other than payroll |
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| 15:21.07 | nvz | abrotman: dont try looking for school records, they threw em out. |
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| 15:21.33 | abrotman | nvz: and your cell phone .. and email .. |
| 15:21.46 | nvz | abrotman: email doesnty have my real name.. and the cell phone I just got. |
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| 15:21.58 | nvz | abrotman: and my credit card is new too |
| 15:22.09 | nvz | abrotman: I am beginning to leave a paper trail :P |
| 15:22.16 | abrotman | nvz: just wipe and run! |
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| 15:23.16 | nvz | abrotman: its illegal for them to have destroyed my school records afaik, but I couldnt prove it.. if you asked them they would type something up on the valley letter head and say its my record.. they torched em cause they dont want bad statistics.. thats how they win grants and blue ribbons and shit |
| 15:23.43 | abrotman | nvz: we sohuld google your name! |
| 15:23.59 | nvz | abrotman: I know they did it because they called me a few weeks after I was out of school and said do you want a copy of these, cause we are throwing them out. |
| 15:24.15 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 15:25.08 | nvz | but I didnt sign anything. so if it could be proved they could be in trouble and loose all those iBooks and shit they got from that grant.. cause I know in my class alone dozens of cases of record changing |
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| 15:25.16 | SimonRaven | fucking fuckers |
| 15:25.20 | abrotman | both of them? |
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| 15:26.52 | nvz | they do ignorant shit like that all the time.. the highschool is the worst. If I ever got the time I am gonna have to do something about it. like them paving the property with the little league field we sold them 10 years ago for like $1 on the condition they would leave the field there |
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| 15:28.34 | kmilo_ | abrotman, this is the machine: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=112368 |
| 15:28.45 | kmilo_ | x`y`-xy: dpkg -l | egrep "lilo|grub" |
| 15:29.09 | fmasi | hi where can i get a full apt sources.list for debian testing ? |
| 15:29.11 | E0x | k-man old one |
| 15:29.22 | E0x | i have a performa too |
| 15:29.29 | Fox | fmasi: apt-setup |
| 15:29.33 | abrotman | kmilo_: yeah .. two 64MB sticks should work |
| 15:29.34 | E0x | but with macos 8.6 |
| 15:29.36 | nvz | they completly redone everything recently to drive up taxes and exaust the grant money to make it seem like it wasnt enough, then they will move the whole damn school dist up on the hill to that property they must not think I know they own and are drawing up blueprints for, then sell the school properties back to the boroughs at inflated costs. this is the same place that told me to bring paper and pencils cause they couldnt afford it. someone |
| 15:29.39 | kmilo_ | x`y`-xy: and this ram: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=19598 |
| 15:29.42 | abrotman | kmilo_: but 70ns ? .. that's weird |
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| 15:30.34 | fmasi | Fox i dont have apt-setup in my debian :( |
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| 15:30.50 | Eulex | !mirrors |
| 15:30.50 | dpkg | it has been said that debian mirrors is use apt-setup, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror |
| 15:31.17 | Eulex | fmasi, apt-setup was removed. it was in base-config, which is deprecated. |
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| 15:31.38 | jayr168 | /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.12-10-686-smp is this my kernel? |
| 15:31.42 | fmasi | its a shame i liked apt-setup |
| 15:31.48 | x`y`-xy | Eulex i compiled with make |
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| 15:32.01 | x`y`-xy | what is the diference |
| 15:32.01 | x`y`-xy | ? |
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| 15:32.25 | Eulex | fmasi, yes, it will probably be put back in or be replaced with something else |
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| 15:32.58 | Eulex | x`y`-xy, if you had use make-kpkg, it would have setup everything you need when installing it, including updating grub's config. |
| 15:33.10 | Eulex | !make-kpkg |
| 15:33.11 | dpkg | [make-kpkg] the Debian Way (tm) to deal with kernel compiling - it makes a package for your Kustom Kernel (tm) which you can install/remove easily (tm) with the dpkg (pat. pend.) mechanisms. 'apt-get install kernel-package' then 'man make-kpkg' =), or see also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html or ask me about <kp mantra> |
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| 15:34.04 | jaybuffet | how do u list scripts that will run at boot |
| 15:34.11 | Eulex | !init.d |
| 15:34.11 | dpkg | [init.d] where most Debian startup scripts go. To add your own, copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to myscript and make it do the appropriate thing on start and stop, at least. Then "update-rc.d myscript default". See also update-rc.d and /usr/share/doc/sysvinit and /etc/init.d/README |
| 15:34.21 | Eulex | jaybuffet, ^^ |
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| 15:34.42 | jayr168 | hello? any help here? |
| 15:34.44 | davis | anybody use rsnapshot here? |
| 15:35.12 | Eulex | jayr168, uname -ar to see what kernel you're running |
| 15:35.15 | jaybuffet | so any script in init.d will be executed... |
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| 15:35.50 | jayr168 | Linux zion 2.6.12-10-686-smp |
| 15:35.54 | kmilo_ | jaybuffet: ls /etc/rc[0-2]* |
| 15:36.10 | jayr168 | whats the advantage of compiling my own kernel? |
| 15:36.13 | d0uglas | Eastwind Transport Ltd., the Eastwind Group.s refrigerated shipping division, operates a fleet of about 60 vessels ranging in size from 230,000 to 570,000 cubic feet. Eastwind is the fourth largest conventional reefer company in the world. Chartering and operational staff are located in the Company.s New York, Tokyo and Stockholm offices. |
| 15:36.14 | d0uglas | The reefer fleet is designed to carry a variety of products at temperatures ranging from minus 20° to plus 15° Celsius and can be used for fruit or frozen cargoes. The ships are operated in a mixture of long-term charters to major fruit carriers and short-term contracts during the various fruit seasons around the world, and on spot voyages. They are also actively utilized in the frozen cargo trades such as fish and meat, complementing the specialized fr |
| 15:36.14 | d0uglas | Sixteen of the vessels are specialized freezers, fully ice classed and suitable for trading in Russia and other ice-bound areas throughout the winter. Freezer vessels are designed to be used on the high seas for transshipment of frozen fish from trawlers and other fishing vessels. The transshipment operations require experienced and dedicated crew, as the ships operate in very difficult conditions in some of the most isolated parts of the world. In add |
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| 15:36.18 | xoz | davis: just ask |
| 15:36.20 | d0uglas | Four of Eastwind.s vessels are capable of carrying deep frozen fish at minus 50° Celsius. These .sashimi carriers. are used in the highly demanding Japanese markets, and are operated from our Tokyo office. |
| 15:36.23 | d0uglas | Eastwind has also developed a number of dry cargo trades carrying bagged products to various destinations in order to improve the vessels. earnings by adding some revenues on the lengthy ballast legs. |
| 15:36.26 | d0uglas | shit sorry |
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| 15:36.29 | Eulex | d0uglas, *STOP IT* |
| 15:36.31 | lepton | jaybuffet: (vixie) cron also has an @reboot tag that can be used |
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| 15:36.35 | jaybuffet | ok |
| 15:36.36 | Ronin | wow how on earth did you not get kicked |
| 15:36.50 | d0uglas | Ronin: no idea |
| 15:37.02 | stew | debhelper: no botsnack for you |
| 15:37.03 | xoz | good timing |
| 15:37.10 | d0uglas | gotta be a little more careful with that right mouse button |
| 15:37.52 | Eulex | jayr168, basically none, if you don't have to apply custom patches or enable or disable something that is enabled/disabled in debian's kernel config. |
| 15:38.20 | strider | d0uglas: or get an irc client which will warn you! |
| 15:38.55 | davis | i used to have rsnapshot/cron backing up selected directories automatically. Now, it doesn't. I still have my rsnapshot file in /etc/cron.d/ but crontab -e shows a blank file. Any advice? |
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| 15:40.54 | kmilo | abrotman, powermac or m68k ? |
| 15:41.11 | abrotman | kmilo: is yours? |
| 15:41.14 | jayr168 | thanks.. |
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| 15:43.43 | kmilo | abrotman, no, is for someone at the FLISOL(latin american Install Fest) |
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| 15:44.07 | abrotman | kmilo: i think there were m68k powermacs |
| 15:44.22 | abrotman | though .. since i haven't seen any m68k macs in a long time .. i could be wrong |
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| 15:45.06 | pipeline | abrotman: No, the "powermac" brand came out with the PPC 601 systems. |
| 15:45.17 | jayr168 | when I installed debian 3.1 I was on my CMI9880L sound card, its not detected so I disabled it in BIOS and bought a new CMI 8738 with full linux support still theres no sound and alsa-conf doesnt detec it |
| 15:45.21 | ofer0 | in "dpkg -l" i found a line like this: "rc program version description" |
| 15:45.25 | ofer0 | what does the "rc" means? |
| 15:45.29 | abrotman | kmilo: see .. pipeline says i'm wrong |
| 15:45.31 | ofer0 | I know that "ii" means the program is installed |
| 15:45.35 | abrotman | though i'm still confused what the question is |
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| 15:47.21 | stuart_ | hello everyone |
| 15:47.49 | JasonX | OT: If I put 2 raided drives on different raid controller will it recognise it ok? |
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| 15:48.02 | kmilo | abrotman, that mirror is weird in the jigdo folder they have the .iso |
| 15:48.11 | JasonX | without losing the data of course |
| 15:48.20 | kasslern | hmm i cant seem to get a working internet connection |
| 15:48.23 | Fox | JasonX: if the raid controlers aren't the same, no |
| 15:48.23 | davis | hmm. i found this error in my /var/log/rsnapshot.log |
| 15:48.24 | abrotman | kmilo: because they are full images .. i said that a while ago :) |
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| 15:48.30 | davis | [20/Mar/2006:03:30:02] /usr/bin/rsnapshot daily: ERROR: /bin/cp failed. Perhaps |
| 15:48.44 | kmilo | abrotman, sure, but i cant see it :P |
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| 15:49.02 | abrotman | kmilo: huh? those are the full ISOs .. not the jigdo images |
| 15:49.06 | kasslern | how do i config net through cli? |
| 15:49.13 | JasonX | OK I was using raid pci card, but new mobo has raid on board, i continued to use the raid card BUT wondered what would happen if I swapped, didnt wanna risk losing 600gb of data though |
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| 15:49.26 | azeem | kasslern: edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:49.32 | jaybuffet | if i nmap myself for a certain port it says open, if i namap the same machine from another computer it says filtered. Both machines are behind the same router. Iptables -L says ACCEPT all -- anywhere anywhere. Why isnt the port open from the other machine |
| 15:49.43 | azeem | kasslern: or run the appropriate dhclient/ifconfig/route etc. commands |
| 15:49.53 | kasslern | thnx azeem |
| 15:50.16 | ofer0 | in "dpkg -l" i found a line like this: "rc program version description". what does the "rc" means? I know that "ii" means the program is installed |
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| 15:50.36 | Fox | ofer0: it means it has been installed and removed partially |
| 15:50.42 | ofer0 | Fox, thank you |
| 15:51.04 | azeem | it means it got removed but the configuration files (if any) where kept around |
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| 15:51.55 | abrotman | kmilo: those images you sohuld be able to download and burn directly |
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| 15:52.21 | dorel | whats a native xwindows program to display images? (jpg, png, etc) |
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| 15:52.36 | pipeline | dorel: xv |
| 15:52.37 | Eulex | dorel, there are lots. |
| 15:52.38 | kasslern | azeem how do i enable dhcp? |
| 15:52.41 | azeem | dorel: what is "native xwindows" in your book? |
| 15:52.45 | pipeline | kasslern: man interfaces |
| 15:52.50 | pipeline | azeem: I'm guessing "ugly as sin" |
| 15:52.50 | kmilo | abrotman, yes |
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| 15:56.41 | dorel | azeem: i mean that it doesnt' require kde or gnome libraries and such |
| 15:56.48 | dorel | thanks pipeline , ill check xv. |
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| 15:57.11 | azeem | xv is non-free |
| 15:57.13 | pipeline | dorel: Heh, you'll wish you hadn't gone that way very shortly. Gnome and KDE libraries exist for a reason: You can make much nicer applications that way. |
| 15:57.18 | pipeline | azeem: I thought there was a free xv ? |
| 15:57.26 | azeem | pipeline: package name? |
| 15:57.30 | azeem | dorel: try imagemagick |
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| 15:57.37 | azeem | display is from that |
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| 16:00.41 | kmilo | Thanks #debian |
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| 16:00.59 | terbo | for images |
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| 16:01.22 | roler | What option in the 2.6.15 kernel enables SATA support? |
| 16:01.28 | usan | the last version of gnome is 2.16 ? or 2.9.91? |
| 16:01.34 | azeem | usan: 2.14 |
| 16:02.00 | usan | azeem, so what are these other versions on the gnome ftp? |
| 16:02.07 | azeem | the old ones? |
| 16:02.23 | Eulex | roler, if you really have to ask that... why are you compiling a kernel? |
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| 16:02.26 | usan | azeem, there are 2.5, 2.6,...., 2.9... |
| 16:02.26 | azeem | some modules don't follow the general naming scheme |
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| 16:02.45 | usan | azeem, are these older? |
| 16:02.58 | Eulex | usan, 2.10 is newer than 2.9. is that what's confusing you? |
| 16:03.00 | azeem | usan: if there are 2.14 versions of those modules as well, yes |
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| 16:03.16 | azeem | usan: what is the deeper issue about this, anyway? |
| 16:03.17 | roler | eulex; i'll give you that... I'm re-compiling my kernel on my laptop for sata support for my new laptop... |
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| 16:04.06 | Eulex | roler, ok, what kernel version are you compiling? are you on stable, testing or unstable? and what sata chipset? |
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| 16:04.22 | usan | Eulex, ok!! interesting! |
| 16:04.22 | usan | Eulex, so actualy debian sarge comes with 2.08.3 , right? |
| 16:04.24 | usan | azeem, i want to upgrade gnome 2.8.3 on my debian sarge to the latest version |
| 16:04.29 | The^Eagle | is it possible to create a win98 startdiskette from linux? |
| 16:04.41 | SonnyBurnett | hi, can you tell me why does my debian doesnt play any gnome (amsn, etc) sound? |
| 16:04.45 | Eulex | usan, yes, 2.8.3. |
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| 16:04.54 | roler | eulex; 2.6.15, testing, and I don't know the chipset, I wanted to enable them all for now |
| 16:04.57 | azeem | usan: why? |
| 16:04.59 | abrotman | The^Eagle: maybe using dosemu ? |
| 16:05.08 | crashed | quit |
| 16:05.09 | Estes2 | Hi everyone, I use KDE and some gtk based apps. So i use QT-GTK theme for gnome apps configured by gnome-theme-manager but every time i restart my computer, i have to reconfigure.... any idea why the gnome selected theme won't stay ? |
| 16:05.11 | abrotman | The^Eagle: check bootdisk.com .. and dosemu |
| 16:05.20 | Eulex | roler, just get the precompiled 2.6.15 kernel. |
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| 16:05.41 | Eulex | roler, if your sata chipset ain't too exotic it should be supported. what laptop, btw? |
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| 16:05.45 | azeem | usan: there are no backports of GNOME for sarge currently, so you will probably have to upgrade your system to testing |
| 16:05.47 | usan | azeem, is it a bad idea? |
| 16:05.54 | azeem | usan: are you unhappy with 2.8.3? |
| 16:05.59 | kmilo | abrotman, this is the event: http://www.installfest.net/FrontPageEn |
| 16:06.19 | abrotman | kmilo: loading ... |
| 16:06.22 | abrotman | slowly |
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| 16:06.27 | roler | eulex; I was going to order a Dell Inspiron E1705, Core Duo, 1gb 667mhz ram, 60gig 7200 sata drive, and 256mb ati video |
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| 16:06.41 | pipeline | roler: Isn't that going to be huge? |
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| 16:06.56 | pipeline | roler: Also, I think, oddly, internal devices work but external do not on that laptop. |
| 16:07.02 | pipeline | roler: i.e. hard drive yes, cd drive, no. |
| 16:07.10 | abrotman | kmilo: nice .. pretty darn organized |
| 16:07.32 | roler | pipeline, my current laptop is a 17" P25 toshiba... It is huge! It weighs 9.9lbs... The Dell weighs 7.6lbs, and is 1" less wide... |
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| 16:08.01 | usan | azeem, no ! just for fun :) |
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| 16:08.04 | roler | pipeline, ; hmm. No cd-rom!? My friend booted knoppix on his though |
| 16:08.17 | kmilo | abrotman, more than 100 cities in 12 countrys |
| 16:08.18 | Eulex | pipeline, they do, you just have to enable atapi over sata with a kernel boot option |
| 16:08.27 | abrotman | kmilo: that's incredible .. |
| 16:08.32 | pipeline | Eulex: Oh really? Cool beans! |
| 16:08.33 | abrotman | kmilo: how many have you done today? :) |
| 16:08.34 | usan | azeem, i have another question about debian installation from CD, on a comupter with SATA hard drive |
| 16:08.44 | azeem | usan: address the whole channel please |
| 16:08.52 | azeem | I am unlikely to be of general help |
| 16:09.00 | Eulex | pipeline, I think so at least. it should have the same chipset as my i6000 has. |
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| 16:09.04 | w00p | cl |
| 16:09.08 | azeem | usan: I wouldn't upgrade a working sarge box to testing just to get a newer GNOME |
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| 16:09.23 | roler | pipeline, do you have one? |
| 16:09.30 | roler | pipeline, ; i'm wondering if there are any other options |
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| 16:10.03 | roler | eulex; what option is that? heh |
| 16:10.49 | Eulex | roler, libata.atapi_enabled=1 |
| 16:10.51 | klync | anyone know the process for reporting bugs on pkgs from backports.org? |
| 16:11.01 | roler | eulex sweet! |
| 16:11.08 | abrotman | klync: should be at backports.org |
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| 16:11.27 | abrotman | klync: maybe the mailing list? |
| 16:11.32 | roler | eulex; just added. ;) |
| 16:11.37 | abrotman | klync: http://lists.backports.org/mailman/listinfo/backports-users |
| 16:11.45 | klync | abrotman: i guess so... thx |
| 16:11.48 | Eulex | roler, I think it should work, at least. |
| 16:11.55 | usan | I tried to install debian sarge on a computer with SATA hard drive, the SATA driver is nvidia nforce4, the CDrom stops in the middle of installation. it can not be mounted anymore. i know there is an issue for this installation described on the www.debian.org, but the proposed solution didnt help. any idea? |
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| 16:13.25 | plbgnr | hello, does anyone here have experiences with installing request tracker on apache2? ...I have problems with libapache2-mod-perl2 ..apache2 is immediately after start shutted down and in log is this "Can't locate Apache2.pm in @INC..." |
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| 16:13.56 | abrotman | !find Apache2.pm sarge |
| 16:13.57 | Eulex | roler, I just googled and saw that it had an ich7 chipset. I've seen this working on ich6's, and there's quite a fair chance that it will work on ich7's too. |
| 16:14.03 | streuner | usan: check out 'kmuto's sarge installer or etch (beta) installer |
| 16:14.05 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'Apache2.pm' (1): (/usr/lib/perl5/Apache2.pm, /usr/lib/perl5/Bundle/Apache2.pm) in perl/libapache2-mod-perl2. |
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| 16:14.13 | roler | nice |
| 16:14.39 | Eulex | roler, don't take my word for it, though. |
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| 16:17.19 | ttchmnkyz | with apt how do i totaly remove a package and reinstall configs and all. i did apt-get --purge remove <packname> but when i reinstall it does not put the conf files back. what am i doing wrong... |
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| 16:18.16 | Estes2 | Hi everyone, I use KDE and some gtk based apps. So i use QT-GTK theme for gnome apps configured by gnome-theme-manager but every time i restart my computer, i have to reconfigure.... any idea why the gnome selected theme won't stay ? |
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| 16:18.20 | roler | eulex; well i'm going to ask the dell support too |
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| 16:19.09 | plbgnr | abrotman: one of these paths is in array @INC: Can't locate Apache2.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.7 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.7 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 ... but I looked in /usr/lib/perl5 and there is just Apache.pm, not Apache2.pm |
| 16:19.15 | roler | I just can't wait for the 1920x1200 resolution :) |
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| 16:19.32 | abrotman | plbgnr: did you install libapache2-mod-perl2 ? |
| 16:19.47 | Eulex | roler, just don't expect too much from them... they're not very good at linux, I've heard. they even told some guy that linux was a virus and that he should get rid of it when he asked. |
| 16:19.57 | ttchmnkyz | anyone? |
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| 16:20.52 | JasonX | Can anyone help with trying to clone a disk. I am used to using ghost/pqmagic etc for windows, and I have just used pqmagic to clone a linux drive BUT it won't boot, I presume there is something additional I need to do |
| 16:20.58 | abrotman | !dell |
| 16:20.58 | dpkg | [dell] a wonderful company that makes very wonderful laptops, but also some extremely bad laptops. For new ISOs to boot your Dell server, look at http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ or the worst company you could ever do business with, or crap, or http://www.domsch.com/linux/ |
| 16:21.15 | abrotman | !dell is also http://linux.dell.com/ |
| 16:21.15 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
| 16:21.30 | plbgnr | abrotman: yes ...there is just directory Apache2 in /usr/lib/perl5 ... |
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| 16:21.57 | abrotman | plbgnr: do you ahve /usr/lib/perl5/Apache2.pm ? |
| 16:22.00 | JasonX | Or maybe there is a better way to clone a drive under linux. Old drive is on way out so I wanna clone while I still can |
| 16:22.01 | Eulex | abrotman, oh, that's cool |
| 16:22.10 | abrotman | Eulex: what .. owning crap dell hardware? |
| 16:22.14 | plbgnr | Abrotman : no |
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| 16:22.28 | abrotman | plbgnr: but you have libapache2-mod-perl2 installed? |
| 16:22.30 | spanglesontoast | hmm |
| 16:22.32 | Estes2 | "wonderful company" ? you guys like sarcasms |
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| 16:22.45 | petemc | you can pretty much ignore that factoid |
| 16:22.49 | chance2105 | I would like to set up a DNS caching server on my personal workstation. Does ISC's dhcpd performan that function? |
| 16:22.54 | abrotman | petemc: which one? |
| 16:22.57 | petemc | dell |
| 16:23.01 | abrotman | petemc: why? |
| 16:23.07 | Eulex | abrotman, no, that they even have a linux page |
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| 16:23.18 | petemc | abrotman: because its bollocks |
| 16:23.21 | abrotman | petemc: the URLs are fine .. the debate about the hardware should be ignored :) |
| 16:23.28 | petemc | abrotman: right :) |
| 16:23.29 | plbgnr | abrotman: yes ii libapache2-mod-perl2 2.0.1-3 Integration of perl with the Apache2 web ser |
| 16:23.31 | Fish-Face | Are there known problems with 2.6.15 and wacom tablets? |
| 16:23.36 | abrotman | plbgnr: oh .. you're not on sarge |
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| 16:23.51 | abrotman | plbgnr: that version isn't available in any current debian |
| 16:23.58 | spanglesontoast | erm what packages do I need for xorg |
| 16:24.10 | abrotman | !tell spanglesontoast about set up x |
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| 16:24.21 | abrotman | !find Apache2.pm etch |
| 16:24.31 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'Apache2.pm' (3): (/usr/lib/perl5/Bundle/Apache2.pm) in perl/libapache2-mod-perl2 ;; (/usr/lib/perl5/APR/Request/Apache2.pm) in perl/libapache2-request-perl ;; (/usr/share/perl5/Catalyst/Engine/Apache2.pm) in perl/libcatalyst-engine-apache-perl. |
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| 16:24.40 | spanglesontoast | just I have no internet connection... |
| 16:24.50 | abrotman | plbgnr: ok .. do you have /usr/lib/perl5/Bundle/Apache2.pm ? |
| 16:25.16 | plbgnr | abrotman yes |
| 16:25.27 | abrotman | plbgnr: but it's not in @INC? |
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| 16:25.37 | ttchmnkyz | can someone please help me |
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| 16:25.40 | chance2105 | Is it difficult to set up BIND to act as a simple DNS caching-service? |
| 16:25.55 | SlayerXP | chance2105: no |
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| 16:26.15 | plbgnr | abrotman you are right |
| 16:26.41 | jonathan` | This isn't a debian question perse, but it could partially relate to linux, and I can't seem to get into the general linux channel for some reason -- we're setting up a megaraid dell server at work and we're installing apache, php, mysql, and oracle on it, and I'm just curious what the best linux OS to use for that type of thing might be -- i know php apache and mysql are really easy to setup, but oracle can be kind of a pain I'd assume, so I' |
| 16:26.43 | stew | chance2105: "apt-get install bind9" and you are done |
| 16:26.55 | wols_ | chance2105: use dnsmasq if you cache only |
| 16:27.06 | pipeline | jonathan`: If you're using Oracle, use RHEL. Period. |
| 16:27.19 | jonathan` | RHEL? |
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| 16:27.27 | flosch | hi |
| 16:27.30 | wols_ | redhat enterprise linux |
| 16:27.34 | ttchmnkyz | jonathan` redhat.com |
| 16:27.35 | mishmash | Is there anybody here who can help me with a mailserver? |
| 16:27.41 | wols_ | !anyone |
| 16:27.42 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 16:27.50 | mishmash | lol sorry :P |
| 16:27.59 | jonathan` | ah redhat enterprise |
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| 16:28.04 | SlayerXP | mishmash: until you clearly and concisely state your question, no, no-one can help you. |
| 16:28.29 | mishmash | I'm trying to setup a mailserver for my internet domain, but is there an manual or something where i can read howto do it? |
| 16:28.36 | ttchmnkyz | SlayerXP i gave a detailed question and no one has even attempted to ask me for further info or offer any bit of help. |
| 16:28.38 | mishmash | I don't know what packages i need etc |
| 16:28.49 | SlayerXP | mishmash: which of the 8 or 9 mail servers available are you using? |
| 16:28.50 | bighorn | how do i delete all mail messages in my home mail directory? mail -x |
| 16:28.52 | Ronin | mishmash: pick a mta and go google and read up on it |
| 16:28.58 | abrotman | plbgnr: moment ... |
| 16:29.03 | SlayerXP | ttchmnkyz: then perhaps no-one knows the answer. |
| 16:29.15 | mishmash | SlayerXP: I aint using any at this time |
| 16:29.15 | ttchmnkyz | i dont think that is the case |
| 16:29.18 | mishmash | this is all new to me |
| 16:29.25 | Ronin | SlayerXP: that or we missed it :) |
| 16:29.37 | SlayerXP | mishmash: then you'll need to start by finding out which MTA is most suited for your needs. |
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| 16:29.40 | thingfish | ttchmnkyz: I thought there was a way to get the .config files reinstalled, but I could be mistaken. |
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| 16:29.47 | ttchmnkyz | My question again -> "with apt how do i totaly remove a package and reinstall configs and all. i did apt-get --purge remove <packname> but when i reinstall it does not put the conf files back. what am i doing wrong..." |
| 16:29.48 | wols_ | mishmash: google "ispmail sarge" |
| 16:29.58 | mishmash | ok |
| 16:30.20 | mishmash | ISP-style Email Service with Debian-Sarge and Postfix 2.1 |
| 16:30.31 | mishmash | Is postfix ok? |
| 16:30.40 | Ronin | yep as are most of the rest |
| 16:30.42 | SlayerXP | mishmash: I don't know, is it? |
| 16:30.43 | wols_ | is thinking ok? |
| 16:30.53 | SlayerXP | mishmash: it _might_ be suitable for you needs. |
| 16:31.07 | mishmash | lol |
| 16:31.26 | SlayerXP | mishmash: imagine you're buying a car. you've effectively gone up to a salesman and said "I want a red one". |
| 16:31.35 | mishmash | lol you're right... |
| 16:31.52 | mishmash | But with a car, i know what i'm talking about :P with mailservers i don't :P |
| 16:31.54 | jonathan` | RHEL isn't free is it? lol |
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| 16:32.08 | unstable | !rhel |
| 16:32.08 | dpkg | hmm... rhel is RedHat Enterprise Linux |
| 16:32.18 | azeem | jonathan`: you didn't say you wanted something for no cost |
| 16:32.21 | ttchmnkyz | no that he did not |
| 16:32.24 | jonathan` | Yeah, I guess I should've mentioned that one |
| 16:32.26 | azeem | jonathan`: is oracle free? |
| 16:32.31 | Petaris | Is anyone in here familiar with the dspam debian package? |
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| 16:32.33 | wols_ | ttchmnkyz: if the package isn't creating a config, the deb is bad or there is pebcak |
| 16:32.37 | jonathan` | azeem, the particular version we want installed is |
| 16:32.56 | azeem | jonathan`: so do you need enterprise support? |
| 16:32.59 | wols_ | !tell Petaris about anyone |
| 16:33.05 | roler | eulex;lol |
| 16:33.13 | ttchmnkyz | well i messed up the config a bit and wanted it to revert back to the original |
| 16:33.29 | SlayerXP | mishmash: so, a better question for you to ask might be "Hi! I'm completely new to mail systems. I want to <x> and <y>, and <z> might be nice. can someone please suggest a mail server that might suit my requirements?" |
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| 16:33.37 | ttchmnkyz | Petaris what you need to know bout dspam |
| 16:33.44 | SlayerXP | mishmash: at which point someone replies "exim" |
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| 16:34.03 | wols_ | SlayerXP: don't forget the postfix zealots |
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| 16:34.14 | SlayerXP | wols_: they don't count. |
| 16:34.14 | Petaris | ttchmnkyz: I grabbed the deb but there seems to be no mysql support |
| 16:34.16 | mishmash | i've heard about exim, but i got an headache from the config file :P |
| 16:34.23 | SlayerXP | mishmash: try sendmail |
| 16:34.27 | ttchmnkyz | yea if exim can do it so can postfix |
| 16:34.35 | Ronin | SlayerXP: heh trying to kill them? |
| 16:34.46 | ttchmnkyz | Petaris i noticed that too i ended up compiling from scratch |
| 16:34.53 | ttchmnkyz | on dspam anyways |
| 16:34.56 | Fox | Ronin: he would have said qmail to kill him |
| 16:34.59 | unstable | !rhel |
| 16:34.59 | dpkg | rhel is, like, Red Hat Enterprise Linux (often abbreviated to RHEL) is a Linux distribution produced by Red Hat and targeted toward the commercial market. Red Hat undertakes to support each release of RHEL for 7 years after it first appears. New releases of RHEL come out every 18 months. As customers only pay for support, when Red Hat releases a new version of RHEL during the support period, customers may upgrade to it for no additional charge. |
| 16:35.01 | wols_ | mishmash: mail always will give you a headache. use exim or postfix, choice is yours |
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| 16:35.15 | Petaris | ttchmnkyz: ok, I just wanted to make sure it wasn't something on my system |
| 16:35.16 | jonathan` | azeem, i wouldn't really say we'd need enterprise support on it, not doing any too incredibly difficult i'd think, just need it setup and need for php to talk to both database servers |
| 16:35.16 | mishmash | Let's try postfix |
| 16:35.29 | Fox | mishmash: good choise !! :) |
| 16:35.41 | mishmash | haha |
| 16:35.43 | Hitch | Hi guis, One question: The file size on ext3 partition is limited by ther arch? On a 32 bit box I can just have a 2Gb file, on a 64 box can I have more? |
| 16:35.48 | pipeline | Hitch: No. |
| 16:35.57 | pipeline | Hitch: Well, there may be a limitation, but it's way, way, way, way, way over 2G. |
| 16:36.02 | wols_ | mishmash: that's only part of mail. you also want mail storage and MUA |
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| 16:36.05 | petemc | ttchmnkyz: postfix cant do everything exim can, fwiw |
| 16:36.09 | mishmash | F*CK! |
| 16:36.10 | Fox | you can have files larger than 2Gb on a 32 bit platform |
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| 16:36.19 | _gass_ | hello there |
| 16:36.21 | Fox | mishmash: workaround.org is down ? :) |
| 16:36.23 | mishmash | yes |
| 16:36.30 | _gass_ | anjuta is crashing me on start, on amd64 |
| 16:36.43 | mishmash | i tried to access workaround.org a minute ago :P |
| 16:36.48 | Hitch | pipeline: So on a 64 bits box I could put a bigger file.. |
| 16:37.02 | wols_ | damn. it's an excellet tutorial |
| 16:37.04 | kmilo | _gass_: what error message? |
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| 16:37.14 | ttchmnkyz | so wols_ if i messed up the original confs and wanted to revert to the original how would one go about that?? |
| 16:37.29 | wols_ | mishmash: however for mail question when you use postfix, use #postfix: more knowledgeable people than in here |
| 16:37.37 | unstable | _gass_: What version of debian, and did you run it with gdb? |
| 16:37.40 | wols_ | ttchmnkyz: you purge and reinstall |
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| 16:37.58 | mishmash | wols_: I think i need to catch up with my reading first :P |
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| 16:38.05 | Hitch | Fox: Can I?? Just on reiser, no? |
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| 16:38.08 | _gass_ | unstable: kmilo no reason is told, i did not rune with gdb, it is testing |
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| 16:38.16 | Ronin | mishmash: if you do a mta get used to doing a lot of reading |
| 16:38.23 | unstable | !tell _gass_ about bts |
| 16:38.25 | _gass_ | unstable: kmilo : tel me what to do, and i'll do it |
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| 16:38.38 | unstable | _gass_: Check if there is a bug. |
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| 16:38.45 | mishmash | And i just wanted to use my internet domain with e-mail :( |
| 16:38.54 | _gass_ | unstable: i saw days ago, and i think not |
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| 16:39.05 | eleftherios | I have resized my /home partition using a tool and now fdisk gives me: Partition 2 does not end on cylinder boundary. Partition table entries are not in disk order. Are these something that should worry me? |
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| 16:39.18 | unstable | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:39.32 | mishmash | I thought Microsoft Exchange was difficult :P But Exim4 just gives me a headache! |
| 16:39.36 | unstable | _gass_: There is a bug filed, maybe it's broken in testing currently. |
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| 16:39.52 | kmilo | _gass_, dpkg -l | grep anjuta-common |
| 16:39.53 | petemc | mishmash: the default config for exim is fine for a lot of setups |
| 16:40.00 | Ronin | mishmash: google is your friend, theres tons of sites out there with tutorials and docs |
| 16:40.04 | _gass_ | kmilo: it is installed |
| 16:40.25 | mishmash | I've tried to find them, but most of them are all for fetching mail of an pop3 server |
| 16:40.30 | mishmash | I want to build a pop3 server :P |
| 16:40.39 | eleftherios | the partitions are ext3 |
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| 16:40.56 | SlayerXP | mishmash: smtp and pop3 are _utterly_ different things |
| 16:40.57 | kmilo | _gass_, anjuta >/tmp/stdout 2 >/tmp/stderr |
| 16:41.05 | pipeline | Hitch: The difference might be like, several terabytes versus several more terabytes. |
| 16:41.16 | mishmash | SlayerXP: thanks for reminding me :P i'm going to read alot now! |
| 16:41.18 | pipeline | Hitch: The limit is so high, if there is a difference between 32 bit and 64 bit platforms, it's inconsequential. |
| 16:41.22 | mishmash | Thanks for the help everybody! |
| 16:41.29 | pipeline | Hitch: On 32 bit platforms, the limit is in the terabytes. VERY VERY BIG :P |
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| 16:41.33 | _gass_ | kmilo: both empty |
| 16:41.39 | mishmash | I'm out, cu soon i think :P |
| 16:42.18 | kmilo | _gass_, download the sources |
| 16:42.58 | _gass_ | kmilo: i really think that it is this one http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=348077 ... but the correction still did not reached testing, since 22 january |
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| 16:43.36 | Hitch | pipeline: The limit of ONE file is 2Gb not Tb. Try to generate a file larger than 2Gb on a 32bit plataform. you will have problems. The size of partition is 2Tb to 4Tb. I know i coud have more using a 64bits more. I would know if the size of a unique file coud be larger than on a 32 bits machine |
| 16:44.29 | thingfish | problems with files above 2G? My roommate has several files bigger than that. |
| 16:44.30 | wols_ | last time I checked linux had 64bit filesize support |
| 16:44.41 | valdyn | Hitch: bullshit |
| 16:44.41 | wols_ | last OS which had problems there was win9x... not linux |
| 16:44.53 | aidan` | I don't understand why you can't have a file bigger than 2GB? |
| 16:45.00 | unstable | Hitch: There is no file size limit of 2gb what are you talking about? |
| 16:45.03 | _gass_ | kmilo: i'll install from unstable |
| 16:45.03 | valdyn | aidan`: you can |
| 16:45.03 | pipeline | Hitch: Uh, I have files much larger than 2GB. |
| 16:45.06 | wols_ | aidan`: you can have bigger ones easily. don't worry |
| 16:45.17 | pipeline | Hitch: And I'm definitely not on a 64 bit platform :p |
| 16:45.18 | unstable | Hitch: You have definitely been misinformed |
| 16:45.23 | petemc | Hitch: so any machine with a dvd iso has to be 64bit? |
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| 16:46.08 | bighorn | what is the command to delete all mail messages in mbox? |
| 16:46.20 | wols_ | "in mbox"? |
| 16:46.33 | aidan` | bighorn: rm -rf ~/mbox :P |
| 16:46.44 | bighorn | thanks aidan |
| 16:46.48 | azeem | aidan`: don't give such ill advise |
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| 16:46.55 | thingfish | bighorn: don't do that. |
| 16:47.00 | aidan` | bighorn: that :P was sarcasm, don't actually do that :) |
| 16:47.13 | azeem | aidan`: dude, this is a support channel, people don't think we're shitting them |
| 16:47.14 | aidan` | sorry azeem |
| 16:47.14 | pipeline | Hitch: My ext3 filesystem has a maximum filesize of 2 TB. |
| 16:47.16 | bighorn | good thing i don't type that fast |
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| 16:47.19 | pipeline | Hitch: I'm using the default block size... |
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| 16:48.02 | _gass_ | CRL po anjuta do testing ... está broken |
| 16:48.09 | Hitch | Ok, there's no sense. But I'm not the only person who already have problems with files larger than 2gb |
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| 16:48.34 | valdyn | Hitch: maybe you are trying to use file that large on a vfat filesystem |
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| 16:49.29 | pipeline | Hitch: That, or you created an ext3 filesystem with an obscenely low block size |
| 16:49.50 | valdyn | byte sized blocks? i'd doubt that.. |
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| 16:50.38 | Hitch | And on brazilian debian list the reason gaved was the ext3 file system. But what is the default? 512? |
| 16:50.49 | aidan` | what limits the filesize? you can only allocate a certain amount of blocks or something? |
| 16:51.11 | Hitch | My squid just stopped when the sotore file gets 2Gb |
| 16:51.13 | Fox | isn't 2^31 the max filesize for ext2 filesystems, not ext3 ? |
| 16:51.26 | valdyn | Hitch: this is all bullshit, no one using a ext3 filesystem has issues creating large files with the proper tools, but tools need to support large files explicitely |
| 16:51.26 | phaedral | trying to get wpa-psk working on my laptop; I can get unencrypted wireless, but can't seem to get on with encryption set |
| 16:51.32 | Fox | Hitch: this is a squid known problem, not a filesystem problem |
| 16:51.41 | disposable | if i need to go back from xorg6.9 to xfree4.3, which packages do i need to install? |
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| 16:51.52 | valdyn | Hitch: for example, debians apache does explicitely not support large files |
| 16:52.01 | phaedral | manually running ifup wlan0 I see dhcpclient going as far as DHCPREQUEST but never getting any lease |
| 16:52.08 | phaedral | would love a clue to help me trouble shoot |
| 16:52.35 | Hitch | Fox: Hummm Where I could see this bug report to show to my teacher? Squid problem.? |
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| 16:53.12 | kronoz | is xorg 7.0 still in experimental? |
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| 16:53.31 | valdyn | Hitch: dd if=/dev/zero of=large_file bs=1M count=10000 |
| 16:54.28 | strider | kronoz: yes |
| 16:54.38 | valdyn | kronoz: why would you want it? |
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| 16:54.54 | hyde | how to create a socket file manually? |
| 16:54.59 | kronoz | i was just wondering |
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| 16:55.29 | valdyn | Hitch: mkfifo |
| 16:56.05 | valdyn | hyde: mkfifo |
| 16:56.26 | hyde | valdyn: thanks. |
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| 16:57.08 | Fox | Hitch: google is your friend, you'll find a lot of posts about that problem |
| 16:57.20 | hyde | valdyn: that's a pipe file. |
| 16:57.23 | hyde | prw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Mar 22 10:56 .fam_socket |
| 16:57.35 | hyde | but I need a socket file as follows: |
| 16:57.45 | hyde | srwx------ 1 root nobody 0 Feb 22 11:47 .fam_socket |
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| 16:57.57 | hyde | I removed this file, and I need to recreate it |
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| 16:58.02 | Hitch | Ok i will search about it. Thank you all. And sorry about my stupid question. Thank you. I wiil google |
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| 16:58.04 | Fox | Hitch: rumour says squid 3.0 could handle bigger files |
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| 16:58.18 | sybec | Hello ! I'm planning to run Debian for the first time. I would like to run the "testing" branch but I'm having difficulty on finding documentation on how one can come to run it. Install CDs are available for the latest of the "stable" branch.. my guess would be that |
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| 16:58.36 | yann_ | hi |
| 16:58.46 | sybec | after the installation of "stable", one somehow upgrades to "testing". |
| 16:58.47 | Fox | Hitch: it wasn't stupid, it was just inaccurate |
| 16:58.53 | sybec | I just can't seem to find the method to do this :) |
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| 16:59.07 | yann_ | how can i know with which options is nss_ldap compiled on debian? |
| 16:59.21 | bighorn | so how do I clear emails from mbox? I have Thunderbird configured for system folder but when I delete the messages they are still there the next time I open Tbird. |
| 16:59.26 | SimonRaven | sybec: you can directly install etch |
| 16:59.28 | Hitch | I gonna check it. If I find some thing I post the links here. |
| 16:59.31 | yann_ | i need --enable-rfc2307bis |
| 16:59.40 | lzhang | sybec: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 16:59.41 | sybec | SimonRaven: Oh ? How ? |
| 16:59.44 | Hitch | Thank you again.. bye. |
| 17:00.14 | SimonRaven | sybec: it'll ask which version you want to install, once it's ready to do so, and just pick testing |
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| 17:01.05 | jdv79 | anyone know why a box wouldn't see all the ram? |
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| 17:01.37 | sybec | I see. Thank you very much ! Does the installer have a stage where I will be asked to chose what software I wish to install ? |
| 17:01.40 | jdv79 | the BIOS reports it correctly but the OS doesn't see it |
| 17:02.15 | Fox | jdv79: more than 1Go ? |
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| 17:02.36 | disposable | how do i go back from xorg6.9 to xfree4.3 in etch? |
| 17:02.51 | chealer | sybec: yes |
| 17:02.54 | cahoot | jdv: the 686 kernels are supposed to have highmem support |
| 17:03.01 | sybec | chealer: can I ignore the cirtain stage and.. |
| 17:03.05 | sybec | erhh, he left |
| 17:03.23 | yann_ | anyone can help please? |
| 17:03.38 | jdv79 | the box has physically 1.5GB but it sees only 1GB |
| 17:03.57 | Fox | jdv79: then your kernel doesn't have HIGHMEM support |
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| 17:04.02 | SimonRaven | sybec: yes. something called tasksel, then later on aptitude, which is more finer-grained |
| 17:04.07 | sunkan | I'm trying to install Sarge on a hp DL360G4p but it seems that the P600 Smart Array controller is not recognized. Any tips on how to solve this? |
| 17:04.21 | sybec | Here's another question: Any reasons not to pick "businesscard" CD image ? |
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| 17:04.33 | ttchmnkyz | you installing offline? |
| 17:04.38 | ttchmnkyz | where you dont have netaccess? |
| 17:04.46 | sybec | SimonRaven: hmm .. can I safely ignore the cirtain stages and install all "3rd party" (i.e. non-base) software via apt-get by hand ? |
| 17:04.51 | SimonRaven | sybec: you can skip the tasksel step and go on to aptitude (unless you're really new to linux, then try tasksel) |
| 17:04.59 | jdv79 | ok, that makes sense cause we have 2 boxes and the one with the ...-686 kernel is seeing all its ram but the one with te ...-386 kernel is not |
| 17:05.11 | sybec | No, I have rather good internet connectivity |
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| 17:05.26 | SimonRaven | sybec: if you like. but i'd first let it installed the basic s/w first, then you can fetch what you want |
| 17:05.28 | abrotman | bah .. forever long phone calls! |
| 17:05.46 | jdv79 | i believe the kernel was just "updated" or whatever and i'm not sure why they are differnt |
| 17:06.00 | jdv79 | how do i fix it? |
| 17:06.03 | ttchmnkyz | sybec then use the netinstall iso (bcard) |
| 17:06.12 | SimonRaven | @kernel |
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| 17:06.19 | wwallace_lap | hello to all |
| 17:06.28 | wwallace_lap | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:06.39 | ravenbird | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.16, snapshot: 2.6.16-git4, 2.4: 2.4.32, prepatch: 2.4.33-pre2, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, 2.0: 2.0.40, -ac patch: 2.6.11-ac7, -mm patch: 2.6.16-rc6-mm2 |
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| 17:07.07 | cr3 | how can I find files older than 5 days? |
| 17:07.16 | *** part/#debian foo (n=foo@unaffiliated/foo) |
| 17:07.16 | wwallace_lap | locate |
| 17:07.17 | jdv79 | man find |
| 17:07.20 | sybec | Great, thank you very much ! |
| 17:07.23 | wwallace_lap | updatedb and locate |
| 17:07.29 | FarrisG | I want to run slave dns on a box running mydns. Is there an easy way to export/import slave.named.conf into mydns? |
| 17:07.36 | sybec | Ah .. I can't wait to get Debian up and running .. I don't know why I haven't used it in the past .. |
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| 17:07.52 | wwallace_lap | i see sussudio is back hmm |
| 17:08.50 | cr3 | jdv79: I did and I found -mtime, which only reports files modified 24*n hours ago. |
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| 17:09.30 | wwallace_lap | cr3: as root updatedb then locate the file you looking for also man locate |
| 17:09.31 | cr3 | jdv79: I think I need something like tar's --newer-mtime |
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| 17:10.05 | cr3 | wwallace_lap: how can I detect whether the file is older than 5 days? |
| 17:10.11 | jdv79 | what's wrong with -newer? |
| 17:10.13 | wwallace_lap | man locate |
| 17:10.52 | cr3 | jdv79: -newer takes a file as argument, not some timestamp or number of days |
| 17:11.28 | FoxAFK | bye |
| 17:11.40 | cr3 | wwallace_lap: I'm running GNU locate version 4.1.20, there's no mention of a time or date in there. |
| 17:11.51 | mne | hi ! How can I see how much free RAM there is ? free tells me that I have 21MB of 2Gb ram left, but that cannot be true. If I sum up the allocated memory the processes use, I get no more than 300MB used RAM. so why thus free tell me an impossible value ? |
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| 17:11.56 | wwallace_lap | ok my knowledge just get to that good luck |
| 17:12.08 | jdv79 | ah, but if you prepend the numeric value to mmin or mtime with a + it will wrok |
| 17:12.18 | jdv79 | locate probably does to - i don't know offhand |
| 17:12.25 | cr3 | jdv79: aha! thanks man, I'll try that |
| 17:12.39 | jdv79 | the docs say that about numeric args |
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| 17:12.48 | FoxAFK | mne: man free , you're reading it wrong |
| 17:13.12 | mne | FoxAFK, that could be the cause ;) I'll have a look at the man page. thank you |
| 17:13.24 | jdv79 | how do i painlessly get my box to having a highmem kernel? |
| 17:13.38 | aidan` | Is it a security risk having GCC installed? |
| 17:13.50 | jdv79 | i think so |
| 17:13.53 | sybec | You could say that, heh |
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| 17:14.06 | moshii | is module-assistant broken for anyone else with 2.6.16? |
| 17:14.21 | thingfish | jdv79: using sarge? apt-cache search kernel-image, take your pick. |
| 17:14.29 | disk0dav3 | hello .. does anyone know about 3Ware 9550SX support under 2.6.12-9-amd64-generic? |
| 17:14.41 | aidan` | how come? |
| 17:14.51 | mne | FoxAFK, hmm, the man page is pretty short. it just says that free shows the amount of all free and used memory (user and kernel level). I doubt that my kernel uses 1.3GB RAM :P |
| 17:14.56 | disk0dav3 | for me it finds no disks even after loading 3x-9xxx (who's name sounds promising!) |
| 17:15.05 | Ronin | mne: it will use all thats available |
| 17:15.29 | jdv79 | thingfish: thanks, i've never used debian before |
| 17:16.09 | infernix | aptitude can really confuse me sometimes; why would it decide to remove dialog. hrmbl. |
| 17:16.25 | thingfish | jdv79: learn about apt-cache and apt-get, two of the more important Debian tools. If you like gui apps, give synaptic a shot - it's great for installing new items. |
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| 17:17.31 | Kernel-Kris | where do i put a script that i want to run on startup? |
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| 17:17.46 | pipeline | Kernel-Kris: /etc/init.d -- then you symlink to it in one of the rc?.d directories. |
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| 17:18.01 | mne | Ronin, right, thats due to the memory algorithm (buddy system) it uses. but though physically all memory is allocated, the memory blocks are free and some of them get allocated. free just tells me that all memory is allocated, but how can I see how much of these physically allocated memory blocks are free ? |
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| 17:18.35 | strider | !tell Kernel-Kris about init.d |
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| 17:21.20 | T_V | hello all. how do i reset the locale options. debian gives me the next errors: |
| 17:21.21 | T_V | perl: warning: Setting locale failed. |
| 17:21.23 | T_V | perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: |
| 17:21.24 | T_V | LANGUAGE = "en_US:en_GB:en", |
| 17:21.26 | T_V | LC_ALL = (unset), |
| 17:21.27 | T_V | LANG = "en" |
| 17:21.29 | T_V | are supported and installed on your system. |
| 17:21.50 | wols_ | you start by NOT pasting into #debian |
| 17:21.50 | pipeline | T_V: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 17:22.06 | pipeline | T_V: You have to "generate" the locales you want to use, then you set a default locale. |
| 17:22.18 | pipeline | T_V: If you set the default locale to something that has not been generated, you get errors like that. |
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| 17:22.55 | T_V | pipeline: its a fresh install. thats the weird part |
| 17:23.16 | pipeline | T_V: It's not weird at all. dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 17:23.40 | grendal_prime | i got a werid one...two servers...im sitting on a third one...however wheni log intoto server A, i cannot ssh from server A to server B |
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| 17:24.05 | grendal_prime | i can ssh from server B to Server A |
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| 17:24.18 | grendal_prime | all of this is from...server C of course |
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| 17:24.42 | grendal_prime | now, i have distributed keys on all three machines A B and C |
| 17:24.45 | grendal_prime | same user... |
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| 17:25.16 | infernix | grendal_prime: can you ping/traceroute from A to B and vice versa? what about telnet to port 22 to check firewalling? if you connect but SSH fails, what do the logs say? |
| 17:25.39 | grendal_prime | well the logs was the first place i went |
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| 17:25.41 | grendal_prime | nothing |
| 17:25.48 | tombs | hi all |
| 17:26.11 | grendal_prime | not onlyh that but when i run iptraff on any of those machines i get nothing..almost like ssh is just not sending anything |
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| 17:26.35 | valdyn | !confuse mne |
| 17:26.35 | dpkg | Yes, how is my bacon tomorrow, mne? trousers of the monarchy of mongolia with extra anchovies |
| 17:26.36 | barsanuphe | hey there |
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| 17:27.05 | infernix | grendal_prime: check with telnet to port 22. if that doesnt work, you have a network/firewall issue. |
| 17:27.07 | grendal_prime | and they are both routers. ive gone over the firewall several times..its fine. ICMP traffic is not allowed on ither network. and...it was working lastnight...(i was running rsync between the two machines |
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| 17:27.48 | barsanuphe | i have a small question: i recently installed sid, and the official nvidia drivers, but every time i reboot i have to install them again else X wont start |
| 17:28.00 | barsanuphe | anyone has an idea of how i can fix this? |
| 17:28.10 | valdyn | barsanuphe: echo nvidia >> /etc/modules ( as root ) |
| 17:28.14 | wols_ | load them into your kernel by default. /etc/modules |
| 17:28.21 | barsanuphe | oh |
| 17:28.24 | barsanuphe | ill try |
| 17:28.34 | chealer | barsanuphe: which version did you install? |
| 17:28.47 | barsanuphe | many thanks, ill see whenever i reboot |
| 17:29.15 | barsanuphe | the nvidia drivers are to my knowledge the latest |
| 17:29.17 | grendal_prime | infernix, why would i just...over night develope a firewall problem? thats strange..they both use iptables firewall/router |
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| 17:29.31 | wooden | hi |
| 17:29.34 | chealer | barsanuphe: oh, you mean you installed using nvidia-installer? |
| 17:29.55 | tuxedup | this may sound like a stupid question, but do the repos have the kernel-source, if so what name does the package go by? |
| 17:29.59 | wooden | its it possible to use in a Xnest extensions? |
| 17:30.04 | thefish_ | dunno |
| 17:30.19 | valdyn | wooden: why not? |
| 17:30.45 | wooden | valdyn, hm.. it isdnt working here, how to start a Xnest right to use Extensions? |
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| 17:31.10 | barsanuphe | chealer: yes, i ran their script |
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| 17:31.18 | disposable | abrotman: how do i go back from xorg6.9 to xfree4.3 in etch? |
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| 17:31.25 | chealer | barsanuphe: OK |
| 17:31.26 | wooden | valdyn, want to play movies in the xnest |
| 17:31.26 | wols_ | tuxedup: kernel-source, linux-source |
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| 17:31.36 | stew | disposable: you don't, xfree isn't in etch |
| 17:31.37 | valdyn | !remove X |
| 17:31.37 | dpkg | In sarge: apt-get --purge remove xfree86-common In sid/etch: apt-get --purge remove x11-common |
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| 17:32.10 | valdyn | wooden: i doubt XV makes sense in Xnest |
| 17:32.19 | valdyn | wooden: why do you need to run movies in Xnest? |
| 17:32.35 | sunkan | I need to use a newer kernel than 2.6.8 to support my harddrive controller, how can I accomplish that? I want to install sarge. Compiling a custom kernel isn't the problem, but how can i create a custom iso afterwards? |
| 17:32.38 | wooden | valdyn, ive a xdmcp serve ru |
| 17:32.43 | disposable | stew: how do i include a snapshot of debian from 1/1/2006 in my sources.list if i want to downgrade to xorg6.8? |
| 17:32.50 | wooden | valdyn, ive a xdmcp server and a low notebook and so i can look movies on it :) |
| 17:33.04 | curt | having been forced to install win2000 for some work stuff, is there a way to run it inside of debian. I want to be able to swap the workstation back to win/in/debian when I am not using it. |
| 17:33.11 | valdyn | wooden: that would probably be unusuably slow |
| 17:33.25 | Matt-H | curt: you could install it in qemu |
| 17:33.26 | stew | disposable: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 17:33.35 | valdyn | wooden: no matter if you use Xnest or not, you better play the file on the notebook |
| 17:33.44 | stew | disposable: what is the problem you are having with xorg 6.9? |
| 17:33.49 | grendal_prime | curt qemu |
| 17:33.51 | wooden | valdyn, can u tell me how to start a Xnest right to get the extensions? |
| 17:33.54 | curt | Matt-H, I read a little about the, are there other options? |
| 17:33.58 | disposable | stew: ati drivers dont work with 6.9 |
| 17:34.18 | grendal_prime | inside of linux i run that alot...depends..do you need alot of graphix stuff on this windows box? |
| 17:34.28 | grendal_prime | you can also dual boot the bitch |
| 17:34.43 | valdyn | wooden: i doubt Xnest can support XV, it does not make sense at all |
| 17:34.51 | curt | grendal_prime, I need tcp/ip is about all |
| 17:34.53 | stew | disposable: the free drivers or the non-free drivers? |
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| 17:35.10 | grendal_prime | would work in qemu. it has network support |
| 17:35.20 | disposable | stew: free drivers don't work at all with my card. nonfree wont run on 6.9 |
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| 17:35.53 | grendal_prime | you can duplicate the os as well..just make a copy of it..then beat the hell out of it...you know virus it..and whatnot...delete it and copy your backup back over..and whammo. |
| 17:36.02 | djp | does anyone know why i get 3 errors at boot time? i get a vesafb probe failed error 6 and a fatal error for both pciehp and shpchp? |
| 17:36.05 | wooden | valdyn, can i query u for a moment? |
| 17:36.06 | Spudchat | hi guys, im trying to install a new harddrive and when i try mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdb it says mkfs.ext3: No such device or address while trying to determine filesystem size |
| 17:36.11 | valdyn | wooden: no |
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| 17:36.21 | Spudchat | is that a problem the hdd or the way i installed it? |
| 17:36.30 | grendal_prime | i used qemu for my instrument flight testing software...even the videos worked |
| 17:36.38 | _joey | could someone send me gmail invitation please, sorry for off-topic |
| 17:36.45 | wols_ | Spudchat: pebcak. partition your disk |
| 17:36.54 | Esaj | what's a good vector drawing app? |
| 17:36.56 | disposable | djp: pciehp, shpchp error is something i saw on 90% of all computers, so i wouldn't worry about that |
| 17:36.57 | LnxSlck | _joey, sure |
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| 17:36.59 | Spudchat | i just want to use the entire volume though |
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| 17:37.11 | Matt-H | Spudchat: you still need a partition... |
| 17:37.13 | thingfish | doesn't matter - you still have to have a partition first. |
| 17:37.15 | _joey | LnxSlck I'd send you my email in private to you |
| 17:37.17 | Spudchat | hmm ok |
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| 17:37.22 | thingfish | Spudchat: see cfdisk |
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| 17:37.39 | curt | grendal_prime, all i really need to work is an access program for our sales people. I am going to try qemu and see if I can get it working. |
| 17:37.40 | djp | disposable, should i add them both to the blacklist or just leave them? |
| 17:37.42 | Esaj | is there a vector-based equivalent to the GIMP? |
| 17:37.44 | valdyn | Spudchat: read the error message, you dont need partitions to create a fs though |
| 17:37.45 | klync | djp: yeah, i think the pciehp and shpchp errors are just the hotplug scripts trying to load drivers, regardless of whether your system actually has that hardware |
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| 17:38.18 | grendal_prime | curt pretty straight forwared. the stable version will do a 2000 install with no hitches..least it did with me |
| 17:38.35 | grendal_prime | if you have a fast video card it helps ive been told. |
| 17:38.39 | djp | klync, add them to /etc/hotplug/blacklist? |
| 17:38.45 | curt | grendal_prime, I am going to drop all the m$ and use gnue in the fall when I have more time to get it running. |
| 17:38.47 | Matt-H | curt: I've used the one out of etch today to do a 2003 install fine |
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| 17:39.08 | otvenkettes | hi |
| 17:39.11 | grendal_prime | i did that about 5 years ago, i dont own a windows box anymore |
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| 17:39.24 | grendal_prime | you a developer curt? |
| 17:39.26 | otvenkettes | how can i empty the buffer of a device? (modem sends some data on ttyUSB0, and i want to drop it) |
| 17:39.31 | Spudchat | allright i read through cfdisk and when i try it on /dev/hdb i get Fatal Error: cannot oper disk drive |
| 17:39.32 | klync | djp: idunno, turn your head for two seconds during bootup? |
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| 17:39.47 | curt | grendal_prime, gnue looks like a monster and we are getting busy (green market/plant and stuff) |
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| 17:40.03 | valdyn | otvenkettes: cat /dev/ttyUSB0 > /dev/zero |
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| 17:40.10 | grendal_prime | pot grower? |
| 17:40.11 | grendal_prime | heheh |
| 17:40.14 | grendal_prime | just kidding |
| 17:40.17 | curt | grendal_prime, define developer? no not really, just a smart kid |
| 17:40.22 | Spudchat | could it not be /dev/hdb but instead be somewhere else? |
| 17:40.23 | grendal_prime | aaahhh |
| 17:40.36 | otvenkettes | valdyn, it blocks... |
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| 17:40.41 | djp | klync, :) |
| 17:40.56 | valdyn | otvenkettes: and what is supposed to mean what? |
| 17:41.02 | valdyn | otvenkettes: and that is supposed to mean what? |
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| 17:41.19 | thingfish | Spudchat: see if dmesg | grep hd (or sd) or df -h helps you. |
| 17:41.20 | disposable | Spudchat: are you trying to create partitions on your cdrom?? |
| 17:41.21 | djp | i'll ignore it then... any ideas about the vesafb probe failed error 6? or should i ignore that one as well? ;) |
| 17:41.25 | wols_ | Spudchat: are you root? is /dev/hdb mentioned in dmesg? |
| 17:42.10 | Spudchat | no its not mentioned at all, yes im root, and no, thats not the cdrom drive eheh |
| 17:42.21 | Spudchat | so than i should go mess with the bios it sounds like |
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| 17:42.31 | otvenkettes | valdyn, i don't get back the prompt when there's no data, but i waits for data... |
| 17:42.39 | disposable | Spudchat: it sounds more like a cable |
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| 17:42.58 | Spudchat | a bad cable? damn the one thing i dont have a spare one of |
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| 17:43.34 | valdyn | PDani_: that is how cat and a tty works, so hit ctrl-c and your prompt is back |
| 17:44.08 | PDani_ | valdyn, i need this operation in a script |
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| 17:44.27 | _joey | LnxSlck did you send me the invitation? |
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| 17:44.32 | Spudchat | allright thanks, im gonna go search for another cable (maybe switch the cdroms and harddrives) and ill return if i dont get it |
| 17:44.33 | PDani_ | so it shouldn't block |
| 17:44.34 | LnxSlck | yes |
| 17:44.42 | phaedral_ | ifconifig shows wlan0 has 192.168.0.101, dhcp assigned by gateway/router/access_point; but when I unplug my cat5 cable I'll can't really get to the net; clues? |
| 17:44.45 | PDani_ | can i switch to nonblocking mode? |
| 17:45.07 | valdyn | PDani_: you are confused really |
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| 17:45.29 | valdyn | PDani_: if you want to drop a certain amount of characters you can use dd |
| 17:45.31 | sopirlaa | Help, how i can see all users add? |
| 17:45.33 | sopirlaa | :(( |
| 17:46.23 | valdyn | PDani_: if you dont know how many characters you want to drop, then you maybe have information on how to determine when sufficient characters are dropped |
| 17:46.23 | wols_ | !confuse sopirlaa |
| 17:46.23 | dpkg | No, how was their badger tomorrow, sopirlaa? lederhosen of the republic of liechtenstein with extra cheese |
| 17:46.46 | stew | sopirlaa: "users add" ? what is that? |
| 17:46.46 | sopirlaa | wols_, debian linux |
| 17:46.57 | sopirlaa | cat /etc/passwd |
| 17:46.58 | sopirlaa | ?? |
| 17:47.01 | phaedral_ | perhaps a clue on SIOCADDRT: File exists ? |
| 17:47.09 | stew | sopirlaa: "getent passwd"? |
| 17:47.15 | phaedral_ | googling for same has not shed any light on the subject yet |
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| 17:47.32 | sopirlaa | stew 10x |
| 17:47.41 | sopirlaa | and how i can see all ports open? |
| 17:47.41 | sopirlaa | :(( |
| 17:47.53 | stew | !tell sopirlaa about open ports |
| 17:47.54 | sopirlaa | i find hacker my pc :( |
| 17:48.04 | valdyn | phaedral_: that error means that you are trying to add a route that already exists |
| 17:48.24 | phaedral_ | valdyn: thanks; don't know what to do about it, but it's a clue :) |
| 17:48.57 | sopirlaa | gratie |
| 17:49.05 | stew | prego |
| 17:49.09 | valdyn | phaedral_: route del default eth0; route add default eth0 <- delete existing before adding new one leading to same ( default ) target |
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| 17:49.57 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 17:49.57 | dpkg | popcon is probably the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 17:50.12 | valdyn | phaedral_: so you maybe want: route del default eth0; route add default wlan0 |
| 17:51.05 | valdyn | phaedral_: or simply ifdown eth0, ifup wlan0 ( dont bring up both at a time ) |
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| 17:51.18 | phaedral_ | ifup and down I dig; will start there... |
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| 17:51.24 | halibut | Is there any way I can limit the upload bandwidth of a certain application? |
| 17:51.47 | GoAuLd | halibut: tricklet |
| 17:52.07 | GoAuLd | no, trickle |
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| 17:52.48 | GoAuLd | halibut: or apt-cache search shape |
| 17:53.26 | phaedral_ | !beer valdyn |
| 17:54.02 | phaedral_ | many thanks amigo; I am now the proud owner of a wpa_psk enabled etch install on a compaq presario v2000 |
| 17:54.08 | phaedral_ | courtesy of the fine folks at #debian |
| 17:54.09 | tarzeau | i love dried banana chips |
| 17:54.50 | phaedral_ | tarzeau: does dpkg give out banana chips? |
| 17:55.18 | tarzeau | nope, only milk |
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| 17:55.47 | GutterPunk | Has anyone in here got experience with NuFW? I'm wondering. Is the debian kernel nufw ready? I mean, the patch-o-matic patch ip_queue_vwmark should have been applied |
| 17:55.51 | GutterPunk | Is this the case? |
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| 17:56.27 | phaedral_ | milk? |
| 17:56.33 | phaedral_ | !milk phaedral_ |
| 17:56.38 | tarzeau | phaedral_: apt-get moo |
| 17:56.42 | phaedral_ | you got me |
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| 17:56.56 | Spudchat | damn now my machine is even worse of |
| 17:56.58 | Spudchat | off* |
| 17:57.03 | Spudchat | i cant even ssh into it :( |
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| 17:57.13 | tarzeau | Spudchat: telnet? |
| 17:57.20 | Spudchat | i dont think its even up |
| 17:57.37 | tarzeau | Spudchat: how far is it? |
| 17:57.38 | Spudchat | nope...allright time for some serious work on it |
| 17:57.42 | Spudchat | in the basement |
| 17:57.47 | tarzeau | hahahaa |
| 17:57.48 | Spudchat | but i turned off all the ttys |
| 17:57.51 | Spudchat | like an idiot eheh |
| 17:57.55 | tarzeau | i've lost machines 3000km far away |
| 17:57.59 | Spudchat | damn |
| 17:58.18 | Spudchat | allright ill be back when i get it to at least boot |
| 17:59.23 | brianut | debian rules, I just did in a week what I had been trying to do with freebsd for a month |
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| 18:00.08 | SimonRaven | fakeroot debian/rules binary |
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| 18:00.17 | wireddd | brianut, indeed it does, but what were you trying to do? |
| 18:00.34 | _joey | LnxSlck thanks |
| 18:00.44 | LnxSlck | _joey, you're welcome |
| 18:00.55 | brianut | wireddd, setup a server with alot of different services, fbsd7 was so slow and kept having compiling errors. |
| 18:01.18 | petemc | 7? |
| 18:01.38 | SimonRaven | 1.7 maybe |
| 18:01.46 | brianut | so now my debian server is cruising along with dual 550mhz,512ram, and 3 9gb scsi drives :) |
| 18:02.05 | brianut | er whatever current is, it reads on the site as 7 |
| 18:02.09 | SimonRaven | dual what? |
| 18:02.16 | SimonRaven | yeh, 1.7 |
| 18:02.47 | brianut | dual P III 550mhz intel's |
| 18:02.52 | cmdKeen | uuuf, Next one foolish mortal choosen linux over Windoze and I helped setting up Debian... one have such... good feeling:] Anyway... How can I change name of PC ? |
| 18:02.57 | SimonRaven | ok |
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| 18:03.23 | pipeline | cmdKeen: Edit /etc/hostname and reboot. |
| 18:03.30 | SimonRaven | cmdKeen: hostname newname > /etc/hostname; editor /etc/hosts; and add newname to that |
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| 18:04.21 | stew | no need to reboot |
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| 18:04.50 | SimonRaven | say, 127.0.0.1 localhost newname loopback |
| 18:05.08 | brianut | here's a weird question, in dmesg it shows my 2 processors, yet if I "cat /proc/cpuinfo" it only shows processor 0 |
| 18:05.25 | SimonRaven | smp kernel? |
| 18:05.32 | brianut | how do I check to make sure im running the smp kernel? Im using the stock kernels right now |
| 18:05.36 | SimonRaven | should show both ... |
| 18:05.43 | SimonRaven | uname |
| 18:05.47 | cmdKeen | pipeline, SimonRaven thanks |
| 18:05.47 | wols_ | brianut: uname -a |
| 18:06.02 | brianut | Linux RedRiver 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Wed Aug 17 09:33:35 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 18:06.08 | SimonRaven | man uname ;) |
| 18:06.11 | SimonRaven | nope |
| 18:06.15 | SimonRaven | would say so |
| 18:06.20 | brianut | ah ok I need to change smp to be default then |
| 18:07.08 | SimonRaven | in dmesg it just means the 2nd cpu was seen |
| 18:07.30 | SimonRaven | from what i read from an article it seems to be a good time to be running SMP |
| 18:07.39 | barsanuphe | hi again |
| 18:07.50 | De_Mon | there use to be a bad time? |
| 18:07.54 | kmilo | bye |
| 18:07.56 | barsanuphe | seems like adding nvidia to my /etc/modules files didnt work |
| 18:08.06 | barsanuphe | is there a specific order for modules? |
| 18:08.30 | SimonRaven | De_Mon: not as good from what i've gathered over time |
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| 18:08.36 | wols_ | not for this one. is the module actually loaded? |
| 18:08.36 | brianut | yeah I rebooted yesterday remotely and didn't catch that smp wasn't default |
| 18:08.45 | unfo | barsanuphe: are you using closed source drivers? |
| 18:09.17 | cmdKeen | De_Mon, one processor system is a 'bad time' for smp kernel, isn't it ? |
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| 18:09.32 | barsanuphe | unfo: im using those straight from the nvidia official page |
| 18:09.44 | chealer | barsanuphe: sorry, but #debian will only try supporting NVIDIA's proprietary graphics drivers if you install them the Debian way |
| 18:10.00 | unfo | barsanuphe: do you really need closed-source drivers anyway? what games do you want to run? |
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| 18:10.14 | SimonRaven | barsanuphe: first to last == top to bottom |
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| 18:10.49 | zinx | barsanuphe: eh, you should be using the "nvidia-glx" or "nvidia-glx-legacy" package along with the corresponding kernel module package for your kernel, if you're using debian |
| 18:11.06 | barsanuphe | its not really for games, its because nv eats about 30% of my cpu when nvidia when i used ubuntu and with sid only use a few % |
| 18:11.17 | SimonRaven | yeh. best bet. |
| 18:11.40 | phaedral_ | usually i ditch gnome and go kde, but just this once i'm playing in gnome for a bit first |
| 18:11.43 | elirips | hello. can someone tell me what I need to enable in the kernel to get cpufreqd running? when I try to start cpufreqd I get a 'no cpufreq interface found', altough I have just loaded the modules cpufreq_userspace, .._ondemand, .._powersave. What am I doing wrong? |
| 18:11.50 | SimonRaven | runs ok on a tnt2 too |
| 18:12.07 | SimonRaven | jumpy sometimes but that's 'cause i have 128 MB RAM |
| 18:12.11 | phaedral_ | i'm still confused why the dvd player works, totem runs nice visualizations, but I can't get better than 1024x768 on the mointor |
| 18:12.34 | SimonRaven | phaedral_: gnome 2.14 hit some mirrors yesterday |
| 18:12.51 | SimonRaven | well, bits of it |
| 18:12.52 | valdyn | SimonRaven: uh? |
| 18:12.53 | phaedral_ | SimonRaven: that would explain apt-get showing 38 upgrades |
| 18:12.56 | wols_ | what have dvd playing to do with monitor res? |
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| 18:13.14 | SimonRaven | valdyn: yes |
| 18:13.18 | unfo | hmm. i'm getting weird assert failures that stop abiword from starting on a 2?-week old etch. |
| 18:13.25 | phaedral_ | wols_: i'd think if the dvd shows right that i oughtta be able to get better than I do |
| 18:13.26 | valdyn | SimonRaven: tiny bits of it yes |
| 18:13.32 | phaedral_ | but that may be a measure of my ignorance... |
| 18:13.33 | phaedral_ | :( |
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| 18:13.40 | valdyn | SimonRaven: just gnome-vfs / gconf / something else |
| 18:13.43 | unfo | e.g. (abiword:5212): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_container_add: assertion TK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed |
| 18:13.45 | unfo | (abiword:5212): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_box_set_child_packing: assertion TK_IS_WIDGET (child)' failed |
| 18:14.00 | wols_ | a dvd works fine in 640x480. no need for 1024x768 |
| 18:14.04 | cmdKeen | barsanuphe, I installed nvidia proprietary drivers on fres new instal following Debian howto (http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/) without any problems. |
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| 18:14.16 | kraypius | what is going wrong here: http://pastebin.com/616497 |
| 18:14.19 | abrotman | unfo: those aren't anythign special |
| 18:14.27 | phaedral_ | wols_: I naively thought "both are visual, maybe related" |
| 18:14.36 | SimonRaven | valdyn: yeh, tiny bits ;) |
| 18:14.36 | SimonRaven | unwe're not th BTS |
| 18:14.37 | unfo | abrotman: then later on I get: (abiword:5212): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_box_set_child_packing: assertion TK_IS_WIDGET (child)' failed |
| 18:14.39 | abrotman | kraypius: your sources would help too |
| 18:14.40 | unfo | Abandon |
| 18:14.45 | abrotman | unfo: check the BTS |
| 18:14.52 | SimonRaven | unfo: ^^ |
| 18:15.01 | unfo | :) |
| 18:15.02 | wols_ | phaedral_: res is either card or monitor related. do !drxx again |
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| 18:15.10 | unfo | i checked already, but i'll check again |
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| 18:15.27 | cmdKeen | kraypius, just comment out (add #) your cdrom in /etc/apt/sources.list. |
| 18:15.30 | Spine` | where does debian store the files it gets from apt ? |
| 18:15.46 | abrotman | /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 18:15.50 | Spine` | ty |
| 18:15.53 | kraypius | k |
| 18:16.19 | SimonRaven | # |
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| 18:16.20 | abrotman | or you could just comment it .. since it's probably out of date anyways :) |
| 18:16.23 | phaedral_ | wols_: about a dozen times last weekend; no luck |
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| 18:17.06 | kraypius | deb http://us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 18:17.08 | unfo | SimonRaven, abrotman, nope I don't see it. |
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| 18:17.15 | kraypius | dev file:///cdrom/ sarge main |
| 18:17.22 | abrotman | unfo: but you're running unstable ? |
| 18:17.29 | unfo | testing |
| 18:17.30 | kraypius | thats all thats in there so comment the last lien? |
| 18:17.41 | unfo | testing is also called "etch" right? |
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| 18:17.49 | cmdKeen | unfo, yep:] |
| 18:17.50 | wols_ | unfo: right now, yes |
| 18:17.58 | unfo | :) |
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| 18:18.01 | stew | kraypius: are you trying to install pacakges from the cd? |
| 18:18.05 | stew | kraypius: "dev" is invalid |
| 18:18.12 | kraypius | no |
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| 18:18.28 | kraypius | i just got this box and i was trying to see if the packages are up to date |
| 18:18.32 | cmdKeen | unfo, Etch IS testing at the moment, to be exact, it will be stable one day. |
| 18:18.36 | stew | kraypius: if you don't want to install from the cd, comment that line out |
| 18:18.43 | unfo | maybe i should dist-upgrade then file a bug if that doesn't fix it? |
| 18:18.44 | uros | debian rox |
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| 18:18.58 | kraypius | k |
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| 18:19.14 | unfo | cmdKeen: I know, I understand testing vs. unstable, I just always forget the Toy Story names. :) |
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| 18:19.26 | cmdKeen | unfo, oh, sorry:] |
| 18:19.32 | unfo | ifvoid has a weird quit message... |
| 18:19.40 | abrotman | unfo: i can tell you that i was messing with abiword the other day .. so it does start .. make sure your system is up to date .. does it still happen ? |
| 18:19.40 | unfo | cmdKeen: dont worry, you didnt know that :) |
| 18:19.41 | _joey | how do I install a package including all it config files ? |
| 18:19.42 | deeee | Hi eveybody. |
| 18:19.52 | unfo | deeee: hiiiiiiiiiii |
| 18:19.53 | abrotman | _joey: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 18:19.58 | deeee | Got a problem with the xserver |
| 18:20.05 | unfo | which server? |
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| 18:20.46 | unfo | hmm, what if the dist-upgrade fixes it? then would there still be any point to file a bug or a mailing-list post to -user? |
| 18:20.48 | kraypius | are there any other internet sources i should add to that file other than http://us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free ?? |
| 18:21.01 | Spudchat1 | hmm, its telling me theres a kernel panic, kernel tried to kill init |
| 18:21.04 | Spine` | how can i change the chmod on a dir and all the files in it in 1 cmd ? |
| 18:21.13 | Spudchat1 | after putting in my harddrive |
| 18:21.22 | _gass_ | there is an error in anjuta in experimental: http://pastebin.com/616510 <--- amd64 ... does anyone knows something about this? |
| 18:21.23 | stew | kraypius: deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free |
| 18:21.29 | cmdKeen | Spine`, use chmod -R ? |
| 18:22.21 | kraypius | spine -R i think? |
| 18:22.21 | Spine` | ty |
| 18:22.21 | deeee | unfo: got debian sarge 3.2 installed. kernel 2.6.8. X11. knoppix runs fine, but debian won´t start. Think its busid identification. |
| 18:22.21 | unfo | busid identification? |
| 18:22.22 | abrotman | _gass_: i think they covered that on the -devel list |
| 18:22.22 | unfo | kraypius: if you want more multimedia packages, some illegal in some countries, /msg dpkg debian-marillat |
| 18:22.22 | _gass_ | abrotman: humm |
| 18:22.22 | unfo | kraypius: for general, www.apt-get.org |
| 18:22.22 | unfo | all unofficial |
| 18:22.22 | unfo | all unguaranteed |
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| 18:22.29 | stew | _gass_: /msg dpkg bts |
| 18:22.32 | deeee | unfo: fatal error no screens found |
| 18:22.35 | abrotman | _gass_: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/03/msg00941.html |
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| 18:22.43 | unfo | deeee: so you mean X won't start? |
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| 18:22.48 | abrotman | _gass_: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=358071 |
| 18:22.49 | Ronin | deeee: or you didn't install it |
| 18:22.52 | deeee | unfo: yes |
| 18:22.57 | unfo | ah. :) |
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| 18:23.03 | unfo | what video card? |
| 18:23.13 | stew | !drxx deeee |
| 18:23.13 | dpkg | deeee: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 18:23.30 | deeee | s3 trio64uv+ |
| 18:23.34 | unfo | !debian-marillat me |
| 18:23.40 | stew | deeee: what version of debian? |
| 18:23.46 | stew | unfo: /msg the bot |
| 18:23.50 | deeee | debian sarge 3.1 |
| 18:23.50 | _gass_ | abrotman: thanks ... i have been unable to compile gtk and glade programs correctly |
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| 18:23.59 | brianut | I had to get an s3 trio card working once. |
| 18:24.00 | kronoz | i've got wierd problem with debian, it says there is 896mb of ram, but windows and kanotix both say 1023mb ram which is correct |
| 18:24.03 | unfo | stew: i'm testing if that works. |
| 18:24.10 | abrotman | _gass_: if you're using sid/experimental .. you should know how to read the BTS ... |
| 18:24.11 | kronoz | why does that happen? |
| 18:24.19 | unfo | stew: unfortunately our bot doesn't have a 2nd home in #botpark it seems. |
| 18:24.24 | kronoz | i thought it was something in the bios but apparently not |
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| 18:24.29 | stew | kronoz: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 18:24.30 | brianut | the only way I got it to run correctly was by downloading xfree86's most recent version, which actually had support for the s3 trio card deeee |
| 18:24.36 | stew | unfo: #debian-bots |
| 18:24.50 | unfo | wow there's a whole channel for em! |
| 18:24.53 | _gass_ | abrotman: lol ... i know, i have anjuta from testing, and it is scrued ... so tryed new version from experimental, that haves the same behavior :P |
| 18:24.54 | kronoz | stew: 2.6.15-1-486 |
| 18:25.02 | _joey | abrotman --force-confmiss did not work for me |
| 18:25.03 | stew | kronoz: what type of cpu? |
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| 18:25.15 | _joey | what's an old way of deinstalling and purging everything? |
| 18:25.16 | kronoz | stew: amd64 3000+ |
| 18:25.19 | eeyore- | xgl is not going well for me. i get lots of garbled rendering :-7 |
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| 18:25.30 | eeyore- | *sniff* |
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| 18:25.39 | stew | kronoz: switch to a k7 or a k8 kernel and you'll get the rest of the memory |
| 18:25.47 | kartoo | hi channel. I want to create an rpm repository and maintain it on my debian system.. is createrepo available in debian? when i do a apt-cache search createrepo, i get no results |
| 18:25.55 | stew | kronoz: if you have a 64 bit cpu why not run a 64 bit kernel? |
| 18:26.02 | kronoz | stew: are the nvidia modules ok with those kernels |
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| 18:26.25 | stew | kronoz: the non-free ones? no idea. |
| 18:26.33 | deeee | stew: debian sarge 3.1. kernel 2.6.8-386 |
| 18:26.33 | strider | _joey: try confnew then |
| 18:26.42 | kronoz | stew: if you have a 64bit kernel don't you have to have 64bit software and theres not alot of 64 bit am i right? not sure |
| 18:26.56 | strider | eeyore-: what graphics card? |
| 18:27.02 | stew | kronoz: no, a 64 bit kernel will run 32 bit apps fine |
| 18:27.04 | kronoz | s/64 bit/64 bit software |
| 18:27.07 | brianut | the amd64 works ok without 64bit software |
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| 18:27.13 | cmdKeen | kronoz, i compiled nvidia kernel module yesterday with 2.6.15-1-k7. |
| 18:27.13 | kartoo | !dpkg createrepo |
| 18:27.23 | deeee | stew: sorry, actually it's 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 18:27.40 | eeyore- | strider22: laptop, nvidia nv17gl (nvidia quadro4 500 gogl) |
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| 18:27.48 | kronoz | cmdKeen: cool, thanks, i'll give the k7 or k8 kernel ago |
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| 18:28.20 | _gass_ | abrotman: using G_SLICE, http://pastebin.com/616526 |
| 18:28.23 | GutterPunk | I've been having this problem for a while now. Sound works in all applications (totem with a bit of a delay), but I just can't get it to work in Rhythmbox... The progress bar just stays at the start |
| 18:28.25 | unfo | well, most of em anyway. |
| 18:28.27 | eeyore- | strider: FWIW, modular xorg renders just fine :-) i'm in modular xorg now |
| 18:28.31 | stew | deeee: i remember there being problems with s3 on xfree but i dont' really know |
| 18:28.50 | unfo | GutterPunk: switch to KDE and use amarok :) |
| 18:28.52 | cmdKeen | kronoz, again, http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/ is nice debian nvidia howto. |
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| 18:29.07 | stew | eeyore-: running it from experimental? |
| 18:29.16 | eeyore- | stew: actually, gentoo. don't run away yet :-) |
| 18:29.18 | kronoz | cmdKeen, ok thanks i'll take a look |
| 18:29.20 | GutterPunk | unfo, indeed amaroK kicks ass... absolutely true :) But I'm using gnome now, and I really don't like any kde libs for the moment :) |
| 18:29.23 | Nico- | Hi everyone! |
| 18:29.23 | abrotman | _gass_: and there's nothing in the bts? |
| 18:29.30 | deeee | stew: knoppix works fine. i´ve used knoppix busid on dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, but still no improvement. |
| 18:29.36 | eeyore- | stew: it's the only machine i can spare :-) |
| 18:29.45 | kartoo | abrotman: wats the syntax to get help from dpkg? |
| 18:29.47 | kronoz | kanotix is better than knoppix |
| 18:29.50 | _gass_ | abrotman: oh ... forget, it is the same problem as 1.2.4 that is on testing |
| 18:29.57 | unfo | mepis is better than knoppix |
| 18:29.58 | brianut | deeee try upgrading xserver86 from testing or unstable |
| 18:30.01 | _gass_ | abrotman: have to try the unstable version |
| 18:30.16 | unfo | mepis has an excellent and superb installer, though closed-source. |
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| 18:30.23 | abrotman | _gass_: oh .. that's a bummer |
| 18:30.24 | stew | eeyore-: no matter. i was just curious about how gravity's pacakges were going |
| 18:30.27 | abrotman | !tell kartoo about help |
| 18:30.37 | stew | deeee: you can use your XFree86Config-4 from knoppix in its entirety |
| 18:30.39 | eeyore- | unfo: yeah but i dislike the name "mepis", though. couldn't they have come up with a better name? |
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| 18:30.46 | unfo | eeyore-: i wonder that too |
| 18:30.49 | eeyore- | unfo: one that's utterable in polite company? |
| 18:30.56 | unfo | someone should start a petition. |
| 18:31.01 | GutterPunk | yuk gentoo :) I've used that thing for about 2 years :) Now I discovered debian :) |
| 18:31.11 | eeyore- | mepis, upis, weepis together |
| 18:31.12 | Nico- | I just dist-upgraded my hppa from sarge to etch, and I face a strange phenomenon... in aptitude, when I want to "search" (from the menu or with the / key), aptitude seems to freeze, no answer until I kill it |
| 18:31.21 | kartoo | thanx abrotman |
| 18:31.26 | GutterPunk | The speed at which packages install is mindblowing to me :) |
| 18:31.28 | deeee | stew: you mean replacing debian file by knoppix file? |
| 18:31.43 | unfo | :) |
| 18:31.45 | stew | deeee: yes, just the XFree86Config-4 file |
| 18:31.56 | eeyore- | stew: i see exciting times coming up. if this xgl thing should go mainstream ... |
| 18:32.10 | Nico- | this doesn't happen on other curse apps, neither on other parts of aptitude |
| 18:32.12 | unfo | then i'd need to buy a new laptop to run mepis :( |
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| 18:32.21 | abrotman | i'm switching to berlin/fresco! |
| 18:32.40 | unfo | (the mepis maintainer is big on 3D games and 3D in general.) |
| 18:32.41 | stew | eeyore-: i'm guessing i'm going to have to figure out what that actually is sometime soon. i keep hearing about it and compiz. :) |
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| 18:32.43 | eeyore- | abrotman: berlin ... that's a blast from the past. is he still working on the thing? |
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| 18:32.44 | strider | eeyore-: hmm, the card should work Mainly it's the ATI cards with the distorted screen issues |
| 18:32.49 | linoleum_ | hello guys, I have just finished an aptitude upgade, and now my rythmbox under gnome doesnt work any more. Is it a knowed bug? |
| 18:32.49 | abrotman | eeyore-: i doubt it |
| 18:32.54 | unfo | stew: watch the video |
| 18:32.59 | abrotman | linoleum_: did you check the bts? |
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| 18:33.06 | kartoo | where should i get createrepo from? is it available for debian? |
| 18:33.10 | warreng | is this the correct order: experimental > unstable > testing > stable ? |
| 18:33.15 | abrotman | roughly |
| 18:33.17 | strider | stew: try the livecd |
| 18:33.25 | abrotman | things don't always start in experimental |
| 18:33.36 | eeyore- | strider: odd. well, i have new compiz that i'll emerge soon. maybe that'll do it. who knows :-) still have to experiment a bit. but that's part of the fun. |
| 18:33.41 | abrotman | nor do they automagically go from exp to unstable |
| 18:33.43 | linoleum_ | abrotman, not yet |
| 18:33.58 | abrotman | linoleum_: you should always start thre |
| 18:33.59 | stew | strider: i have a feeling i won't be able to use it on my hardware |
| 18:34.01 | abrotman | cmdKeen: not even close |
| 18:34.02 | warreng | abrotman: how "bad" is it to use an unstable package like subversion on an otherwise stable system? |
| 18:34.03 | abrotman | !experimental |
| 18:34.03 | dpkg | experimental is the bloody edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference |
| 18:34.10 | abrotman | !tell warreng about sid faq |
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| 18:34.14 | strider | eeyore-: yes, gentoo fun ;) |
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| 18:34.38 | grendal_prime | ok is there anything you can do that will make a machine ignore another server? |
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| 18:34.46 | grendal_prime | this is just flat out rediculas |
| 18:34.53 | cmdKeen | abrotman, does experimental have sime Toy Story name like the others ? |
| 18:34.55 | Nico- | !hppa |
| 18:34.56 | dpkg | hppa is, like, called pa-risc |
| 18:35.00 | stew | grendal_prime: what do you mean? |
| 18:35.01 | cmdKeen | s/sime/some/ |
| 18:35.05 | kartoo | !createrepo |
| 18:35.07 | grendal_prime | i got this box that just will not see another server on the internet |
| 18:35.10 | strider | eeyore-: there's also #xgl, though don't pin too much hope there. The guy with the gentoo overlay is there though. |
| 18:35.14 | grendal_prime | and it was working just fine last night |
| 18:35.15 | abrotman | cmdKeen: no .. it's really not for general use .. things are sometimes really really broken in it .. though .. same goes for sid |
| 18:35.16 | unfo | darn! out of disk space 3/4 of way thru getting packages for dist-upgrade.. |
| 18:35.22 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 18:35.22 | dpkg | <MobyTurbo> nvz: brothels .. <nvz> I never even heard that word until last night |
| 18:35.30 | eeyore- | strider: neat. coffee? |
| 18:35.35 | strider | eeyore-: yes |
| 18:35.37 | eeyore- | i'll check |
| 18:35.48 | unfo | coffee? |
| 18:35.54 | grendal_prime | i got a werid one...two servers...im sitting on a third one...however wheni log intoto server A, i cannot ssh from server A to server B |
| 18:35.56 | unfo | whats coffee? |
| 18:35.57 | unfo | !coffee me |
| 18:36.00 | eeyore- | i need my 0xC0FFEE! |
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| 18:36.17 | cmdKeen | abrotman, oh, thanks for info. |
| 18:36.27 | eeyore- | unfo: it's one of the words that can be spelled in hex. kind of piss of vendors when you tell them your hostid is coffeecoffee |
| 18:36.39 | unfo | oh, like deadbeef. |
| 18:36.40 | stew | grendal_prime: are they on the same subnet or separated by routers? |
| 18:36.47 | eeyore- | unfo: cuz they just *know* you're gonna screw around with their licenses :-) |
| 18:36.48 | grendal_prime | ok another werid one a friend is looking at a linux console |
| 18:36.57 | grendal_prime | they are both routers...compleatly different ips |
| 18:37.13 | grendal_prime | i was rsyncing data between them last night |
| 18:37.16 | charzero | NFS doesn't handle the server shutting down very well, does it? |
| 18:37.27 | eeyore- | unfo: c0ffee, deadbeef, abadfeed, etc |
| 18:37.37 | grendal_prime | my friend cant figure out what distrobution it is/ |
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| 18:37.46 | grendal_prime | whats a good way to asscertain that |
| 18:37.57 | MrBond82 | CAn anyone help me diagnose why my /home directory is being mounted as read only? |
| 18:38.05 | Nico- | hummmm what can freeze aptitude in etch that didn't freeze in sarge? purge'n'reinstall changes nothing... |
| 18:38.11 | abrotman | start with syslog and dmesg |
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| 18:38.28 | eeyore- | charzero: you'll get 'stale nfs' messages |
| 18:38.54 | eeyore- | charzero: and the client will probably not be very happy, linux tends to stick for a while. sunos tends to do a little better. |
| 18:39.00 | kraypius | need debian ebook |
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| 18:40.03 | abrotman | huh? |
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| 18:40.21 | foo | What's an easy small utility to take a screenshot with linux? |
| 18:40.25 | deeee | thanks stew and unfo |
| 18:40.26 | GutterPunk | foo, import |
| 18:40.30 | kronoz | foo: ksnapshot |
| 18:40.33 | kronoz | foo: scrot |
| 18:40.47 | GutterPunk | foo, simple: import screenshot.png, you select a window, and done |
| 18:41.02 | foo | GutterPunk: Ah, thanks. Hmm, can I select the whole screen? |
| 18:41.13 | GutterPunk | foo, import -window root screen.png :) |
| 18:41.17 | foo | Nice |
| 18:41.22 | foo | GutterPunk: Thanks :) |
| 18:41.24 | GutterPunk | np |
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| 18:41.53 | pop_korn | hi |
| 18:42.12 | Nico- | grrr.... aptitude, go to hell!!!! :) |
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| 18:42.23 | abrotman | primus? |
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| 18:42.29 | foo | GutterPunk: hmm, what package is that in? |
| 18:42.32 | eeyore- | does linux have audit capabilities like solaris' BSM? |
| 18:42.36 | Sticklyman | Hi :) Is it possible to install debian to a SATA drive? |
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| 18:42.41 | GutterPunk | foo, imagemagick I think |
| 18:42.49 | abrotman | eeyore-: remind us what bsm does :) |
| 18:42.52 | GutterPunk | foo, don't you have it already? |
| 18:43.30 | foo | GutterPunk: Nope. |
| 18:43.31 | warreng | how do i tell "apt-get install" which version of the package to install? i have stable, testing and unstable as repositories and "apt-cache show subversion" lists 1.1, 1.2 and 1.3... how do i tell it to use 1.3 ? |
| 18:43.38 | thefish_ | !itunes |
| 18:43.46 | abrotman | eeyore-: can't bastille or grsec or anythign do it ? |
| 18:43.55 | eeyore- | abrotman: BSM is solaris' basic security module, probably something in the kernel. lets you audit a class of events per user or per machine basis. theoretically if you wanted to you could audit every process creation by every user under solaris |
| 18:43.59 | GutterPunk | foo, apt-get install imagemagick :) |
| 18:44.00 | abrotman | warreng: man apt-get |
| 18:44.14 | Sticklyman | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:44.24 | chealer | Sticklyman: yes |
| 18:44.26 | kraypius | sticklyman, yes |
| 18:44.29 | foo | GutterPunk: Yup |
| 18:44.36 | kraypius | i have deb on a 160gb sata right now |
| 18:44.39 | abrotman | eeyore-: no .. i remembered what it did .. but i can't think of anything that does it .. so that's why i suggested reminding everyone what a lovely OS solaris is .. |
| 18:44.56 | Sticklyman | Thanks :) |
| 18:45.10 | warreng | abrotman: apt-get -o APT::Default-Release=unstable install subversion <-- does that look right? |
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| 18:45.35 | tarzeau | Sticklyman: yes |
| 18:45.46 | tarzeau | i have debian gnu/kfreebsd and gnu/linux on a 250 gb sata |
| 18:45.56 | tarzeau | however for linux i had to use the ubuntu server install kernel |
| 18:45.57 | stew | warreng: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 18:46.23 | abrotman | tarzeau: that's cause you suck! |
| 18:46.29 | tarzeau | abrotman: you bum! |
| 18:46.33 | warreng | stew: sarge |
| 18:46.35 | abrotman | tarzeau: i'm a DD! |
| 18:46.35 | unfo|distupg | !tea all |
| 18:46.45 | tarzeau | abrotman: and i'm a pornstar |
| 18:46.53 | abrotman | warreng: paste your sources .. your preferences file .. and apt-cache policy subversion |
| 18:46.53 | unfo|distupg | darn, out of tea. |
| 18:46.54 | stew | warreng: don't install non stable pacakges onto a stable system, you'll just end up runnning unstable |
| 18:46.58 | stew | warreng: /msg dpkg backports |
| 18:47.01 | abrotman | tarzeau: you lie! |
| 18:47.09 | pop_korn | i did apt-get install ssh and now sshd start when start my pc ( how to corecting ? sorry for my eng =) |
| 18:47.13 | tarzeau | abrotman: as if you don't |
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| 18:47.41 | abrotman | tarzeau: you should propose a resolution that all citizens of planet earth are DDs! |
| 18:47.54 | GutterPunk | wtf is a dd |
| 18:47.57 | tarzeau | abrotman: haha |
| 18:48.05 | cmdKeen | GutterPunk, Debian Developer |
| 18:48.10 | tarzeau | GutterPunk: a person with a @debian.org email address |
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| 18:48.16 | GutterPunk | ahhhh |
| 18:48.19 | unfo|distupg | pop_korn: your english is good enough to understand. "and now sshd starts" and "how do I correct this?" would be better but what you said is fine. |
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| 18:48.51 | GutterPunk | I thought they were referring to breast sizes |
| 18:48.53 | carbon | does anyone have a clue why my identd (gidentd) always replies "ERROR : NO-USER" ? |
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| 18:49.07 | carbon | it started today after i rebooted |
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| 18:49.15 | unfo|distupg | dpkg, DDDDDDs are developers, developers, developers, developers, developers, developers |
| 18:49.16 | dpkg | unfo|distupg: okay |
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| 18:49.33 | thefish_ | heh |
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| 18:50.43 | pop_korn | unfo|distupg : when pc boot, sshd start ) |
| 18:50.54 | unfo|distupg | pop_korn: apt-cache show ssh |
| 18:51.06 | unfo|distupg | you'll see ssh contains both client and server. |
| 18:51.12 | blakkino | :) |
| 18:51.25 | warreng | abrotman: http://rafb.net/paste/results/TVwehf59.html <--- so tell me what's wrong with doing that |
| 18:51.26 | blakkino | what should i dpkg-reconfigure to have non-interactive apt-get? |
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| 18:51.53 | abrotman | warreng: that's a horrible sources |
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| 18:52.05 | warreng | abrotman: care to qualify that with a reason? |
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| 18:53.30 | roob | Is there a linux command to find out on which Linux distribution I'm running? |
| 18:53.34 | unfo|distupg | can irssi or xchat automatically pull in nopastes without opening a web browser? |
| 18:53.46 | Maulkin | roob: uname -a *may* help |
| 18:53.59 | ttchmnkyz | check /etc for a *-version |
| 18:54.01 | pipeline | unfo|distupg: irssi and xchat both use similar perl apis, it shouldn't be that hard to automate it. |
| 18:54.01 | blakkino | roob, cat /etc/issue sometimes :) |
| 18:54.04 | eeyore- | bbl |
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| 18:54.21 | unfo|distupg | pipeline: but has anyone done it before? :) |
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| 18:54.29 | pipeline | unfo|distupg: How would I know? :P |
| 18:54.31 | abrotman | !flamethrower |
| 18:54.31 | dpkg | Ever seen what happens when you put fire to plastic? This is what happens when you mix your sarge sources with testing/unstable |
| 18:54.33 | mbishop | cat /proc/version |
| 18:54.39 | abrotman | warreng: mixing stuff leads to broken systems |
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| 18:54.46 | unfo|distupg | Retrieving bug reports... 64% [52/81] is slow |
| 18:54.51 | roob | Maulkin: Just said linux! Thanks though, it probably sometimes works and sometimes doesn't |
| 18:54.57 | roob | blakkino: Worked! Thanks! |
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| 18:55.18 | uros | if i install image of a kernel , do i need to install anything else like some modules ? |
| 18:55.36 | grendal_prime | stew sorry i got interupted, anway the machines are both connected via two different isps |
| 18:55.45 | izzyb | is there a known issue and solution to sarge having startup scripts in rcS.d? |
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| 18:55.55 | grendal_prime | i can ssh from machine B to machine A but not the other way around |
| 18:56.04 | geckosenator | ok |
| 18:56.19 | warreng | abrotman: i need subversion 1.3 :( |
| 18:56.27 | abrotman | !tell warreng about backports |
| 18:56.31 | warreng | there isn't one |
| 18:56.33 | warreng | i know what backports are |
| 18:56.54 | Maulkin | uros: Well, it depends what modules you need. If you're using a stock Debian kernel image, they're probably all there already |
| 18:56.55 | abrotman | it's in sid ... make your own |
| 18:57.06 | grendal_prime | stew, and as much as it looks like a firewall issue..im quite certain it is not. |
| 18:57.06 | abrotman | apparently you didn't read the whole factoids |
| 18:57.11 | uros | Maulkin, i just installed debian |
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| 18:57.25 | Maulkin | uros: Did you use Debian's kernel, or make your own? |
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| 18:57.39 | uros | Maulkin, and now i want to install 686 image before i get start to compile my own |
| 18:57.58 | Maulkin | uros: Well, you shoudn't need any extra modules |
| 18:58.00 | warreng | abrotman: i spent about 10 hours already trying to get subversion, apache 2.2, and all the libraries working right.... and i'm still not 100% done... i'd much rather use an unstable package if possible than try to "correctly" figure out the backports |
| 18:58.14 | blakkino | <blakkino> what should i dpkg-reconfigure to have non-interactive apt-get? |
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| 18:58.16 | unfo|distupg | warreng: switch to testing or unstable. |
| 18:58.16 | blakkino | :) |
| 18:58.17 | uros | so apt-get install kernelimage would do it ? |
| 18:58.24 | blakkino | no ideas? :( |
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| 18:58.30 | abrotman | warreng: and an unstable system you will get :) |
| 18:58.38 | abrotman | warreng: is apache2.2 in sid yet? |
| 18:58.41 | Maulkin | blakkino: debconf |
| 18:58.42 | abrotman | !info apache2-common sid |
| 18:58.45 | dpkg | apache2-common: (next generation, scalable, extendable web server), section net, is optional. Version: 2.0.55-4 (sid), Packaged size: 787 kB, Installed size: 3060 kB |
| 18:58.47 | warreng | abrotman: no :( |
| 18:58.52 | warreng | apache 2.2 isn't anywhere yet |
| 18:58.56 | uros | Maulkin, so apt-get install kernelimage would do it ? |
| 18:58.57 | abrotman | bastards! |
| 18:59.01 | warreng | ya no kidding |
| 18:59.01 | Maulkin | blakkino: however, add "-plow" |
| 18:59.13 | Maulkin | uros: Are you running Sarge/Stable? |
| 18:59.14 | abrotman | wasn't 2.2 released like .. two months ago ? |
| 18:59.17 | blakkino | -plow? |
| 18:59.21 | uros | yes |
| 18:59.25 | blakkino | Maulkin, i just set "non-interactive" |
| 18:59.40 | Maulkin | uros: It's kernel-image-(version) IIRC |
| 18:59.40 | roundyz | Can someone please, please help me out? |
| 18:59.45 | warreng | is expecting 2.2 to be in sid after 2 months unresonable? |
| 18:59.46 | blakkino | (default replies are ok for me 99% of times.. and when they aren't.. i'l change them manually) |
| 18:59.49 | Maulkin | roundyz: Depends what the problem is |
| 18:59.59 | uros | Maulkin, yes |
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| 19:00.11 | abrotman | warreng: not really .. but perhaps the maintainer is having his colon removed? |
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| 19:00.16 | abrotman | !maint apache2-common |
| 19:00.18 | dpkg | apache2-common: Debian Apache Maintainers <debian-apache@lists.debian.org> |
| 19:00.19 | uros | Maulkin, yes i know that but i am afraid of modules |
| 19:00.23 | roundyz | Maulkin: I have compiled my own kernel and i'm getting an error messege about readonly FS at boot. |
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| 19:00.28 | Maulkin | blakkino: Should work ok then |
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| 19:00.57 | roundyz | oh and i'm using sarge |
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| 19:01.12 | uros | Maulkin, i Reverse Depends: |
| 19:01.12 | uros | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:01.12 | uros | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:01.13 | Maulkin | uros: Well, if you're using the standard kernel, they'll all be made for you |
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| 19:01.31 | aurum | Could somebody tell me if there's a way to build a netboot image with a custom compiled kernel? |
| 19:01.32 | ia1 | does apt-get do any sort of rsync-like sparse transfers of differences only? |
| 19:01.42 | abrotman | warreng: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=344072 |
| 19:01.50 | abrotman | !tell aurum about custom netinst |
| 19:01.53 | roundyz | Anyone know of any ideas? the FS is ext3 |
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| 19:02.04 | roundyz | and it is compiled into the kernel |
| 19:02.23 | aurum | abrotman: Thanks |
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| 19:02.38 | Maulkin | roundyz: What's the error message? |
| 19:02.42 | unfo|distupg | aurum: how many machines are you installing on? just curious. |
| 19:02.45 | _gass_ | i am not being able to update from sarge do etch because of udev/kernel/ etc problems ... anyone knows a workaround? |
| 19:02.55 | roundyz | cannot creat /dev/null readonly file system |
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| 19:03.03 | abrotman | !tell aurum about custom netinst |
| 19:03.05 | uros | Maulkin, 2.6.8 is for debian lastest stable kernel ? |
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| 19:03.08 | abrotman | aurum: i just added something to it :) |
| 19:03.12 | Maulkin | uros: I think so, yes |
| 19:03.15 | ian_ | or, would it make sense for apt-get to look for .deb files in the cache folder, and do an rsync instead of a wget to grab a new version of a package? |
| 19:03.21 | uros | Maulkin, ok , thanks |
| 19:03.29 | warreng | abrotman: :( |
| 19:03.44 | Maulkin | _gass_: update your sources.list, apt-get update, install the new kernel, reboot then apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 19:03.44 | izzyb | hmm, why does /etc/rcS.d have all services starting? shouldn't they all be K scripts in here? |
| 19:03.47 | roundyz | anyone crossed this error message before now? |
| 19:03.49 | abrotman | warreng: hey .. i can't do anything about it .. if it's not in .. it's not in |
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| 19:04.13 | _gass_ | Maulkin: new kernel is not instalable |
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| 19:04.32 | Maulkin | _gass_: How? |
| 19:04.43 | Azar | _gass_: you either use backports for a higher kernel, or upgrade to testing |
| 19:05.30 | Maulkin | izzyb: Nope, they're all S scripts. If you want them to be disabled, you move them to K_foo |
| 19:05.45 | Maulkin | Knnfoo even |
| 19:06.06 | izzyb | Maulkin, but why would they be starting in single user mode? |
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| 19:06.43 | _gass_ | Maulkin: Azar : wait a sec |
| 19:06.52 | Maulkin | izzyb: Because that's what they do :) Single User Mode in Debian != /bin/sh |
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| 19:07.37 | roundyz | Maulkin: any ideas? |
| 19:07.56 | Maulkin | roundyz: What's the exact error message? |
| 19:08.06 | izzyb | so how do you take a system out of production mode? I thought that's what init S was for? |
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| 19:08.21 | _gass_ | Maulkin: Azar : http://pastebin.com/616605 |
| 19:08.29 | paskui82 | who know an italian server and channel of debian? |
| 19:08.29 | abrotman | izzyb: install windows? |
| 19:08.32 | abrotman | !it |
| 19:08.32 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 19:08.36 | izzyb | lol |
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| 19:08.38 | roundyz | 27: cannot create /dev/null, read only filesystem |
| 19:08.39 | _gass_ | Maulkin: Azar it is in portuguese, but it is understandable |
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| 19:09.00 | izzyb | thanks abrotman |
| 19:09.00 | Maulkin | izzyb: That does take it out of production mode, but will do things like mounting disks, starting networking etc |
| 19:09.17 | kronoz | where can i find nvidia kernel 7676 k7 debian package? |
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| 19:09.46 | kronoz | nvidia kernel modules aren't showing up in apt-cache |
| 19:10.12 | izzyb | but it doesn't stop existing processes. and it starts things like portmap and xfree86-common |
| 19:10.21 | roundyz | Maulkin: well? |
| 19:10.43 | Maulkin | izzyb: If you want NOTHING, start with init=/bin/sh as a kernel boot option |
| 19:10.43 | tarzeau | athcool is too old to find my chipset! |
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| 19:10.44 | abrotman | izzyb: i'm one of the less helpful people here .. it's not intentional .. i blame my upbringing! |
| 19:10.49 | abrotman | izzyb: what kind of mode do you want? |
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| 19:11.04 | izzyb | lol :) |
| 19:11.17 | izzyb | well, I guess I just expected something different. |
| 19:11.24 | Maulkin | 19:07 < Maulkin> roundyz: What's the exact error message? |
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| 19:11.48 | Maulkin | roundyz: Ahh, sorry, found it |
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| 19:12.14 | roundyz | maulkin : 19:08 < roundyz> 27: cannot create /dev/null, read only filesystem |
| 19:12.18 | Maulkin | _gass_: Could you try and "apt-get install linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 initramfs-tools" |
| 19:12.20 | izzyb | I rarely use init S, but I always thought it was supposed to turn off all running services and put you into single user mode for stuff like disk maintenance |
| 19:12.22 | roundyz | sorry |
| 19:12.34 | pop_korn | freebsd have handbook, debian have too ? |
| 19:12.59 | chealer | kronoz: there are no such modules in Debian |
| 19:13.00 | abrotman | izzyb: well .. S mode may require NFS to boot ... |
| 19:13.02 | Maulkin | roundyz: Hmm... above that, when it tries to mount the drive, there should be an error message. |
| 19:13.16 | abrotman | izzyb: perhaps try `telinit 1` ... instead of S ? |
| 19:13.17 | _gass_ | Maulkin: tryed ... |
| 19:13.20 | chealer | kronoz: or even non-free/contrib |
| 19:13.22 | abrotman | though ..s houdl be the same |
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| 19:13.37 | _joey | I installed a package with all its dependencies, I removed the package but the dependencies left behind . how do I find the packages it depends on? |
| 19:13.41 | petemc | pop_korn: theres a fair bit of documentation on debian.org, there are also books you can buy |
| 19:13.43 | izzyb | isn't 1 shutdown? |
| 19:13.47 | abrotman | no |
| 19:13.53 | Maulkin | kronoz: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 19:14.05 | uros | debian rox |
| 19:14.09 | tzafrir | _joey, use deborphan |
| 19:14.09 | _gass_ | Maulkin: http://pastebin.com/616615 |
| 19:14.12 | izzyb | oh!, it's single user mode |
| 19:14.19 | abrotman | izzyb: feel better? |
| 19:14.20 | petemc | _joey: debfoster, there are others too, cant recall the names - if you use aptitude to install you dont have this problem |
| 19:14.26 | izzyb | I always thought S was single user. and 1 was halt |
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| 19:14.35 | abrotman | deborphan petemc |
| 19:14.39 | abrotman | ermm . _joey |
| 19:14.51 | izzyb | so what runlevel is halt? |
| 19:14.51 | Maulkin | _gass_: Add 'udev hotplug' to the end of that line |
| 19:15.00 | petemc | thats the one |
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| 19:15.10 | Maulkin | _gass_: Actually, you have tried just 'apt-get dist-upgrade' haven't you? |
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| 19:15.19 | _gass_ | Maulkin: yes |
| 19:15.20 | unfo|distupg | im a proponent of that :) |
| 19:15.31 | entuall | _joey, apt-cache show package | grep Depends |
| 19:15.36 | tzafrir | any idea where I can find kernel-image packages of a version later than 2.6.8/2.6.9 for Sarge/amd64? |
| 19:15.39 | Maulkin | izzyb: 1 IIRC |
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| 19:15.50 | izzyb | I guess runlevel 0 is halt |
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| 19:15.57 | abrotman | tzafrir: iirc .. pure64 sarge is using .11 |
| 19:16.03 | abrotman | izzyb: 6 is reboot .. 0 is halt |
| 19:16.21 | tzafrir | abortman, it uses 2.6.8-11 |
| 19:16.23 | frank_farmer | Anyone know a good package for gathering per-process bandwidth usage? I've got a box with a bunch of page-scraping scripts running on it, and I'd like to be able to get an idea of which are using the most bandwidth. |
| 19:16.26 | Perdignus | Hello - Anyone know if there is there a patch for bootsplash on 2.6.16? |
| 19:16.39 | tzafrir | !uname -a |
| 19:16.46 | abrotman | tzafrir: are you using pure64 ? |
| 19:16.49 | unfo|distupg | gzip: greplog.gz: No space left on device |
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| 19:16.52 | unfo|distupg | darn |
| 19:17.03 | abrotman | tzafrir: or are you using 32bit sarge with a 64bit kernel ? |
| 19:17.15 | tzafrir | hmmm, not well familiar with that client. I'm using "amd64". It is pure64, AFAIK |
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| 19:17.30 | abrotman | tzafrir: look in your sources .. where are they pointing ? |
| 19:17.33 | tzafrir | I wasn't familiar with any other amd64 port |
| 19:17.49 | abrotman | there is only one pure64 port .. but 32bit sarge has a 64bit kernel for amd64 |
| 19:18.00 | mne | hi ! I'm using software raid5 with 3 HDDs attached. Unfortunately, reading from /dev/md0 is extremely slow, ever slower than reading from one harddisk. any hints ? |
| 19:18.12 | tzafrir | abortman: debian-amd64/ |
| 19:18.21 | pipeline | mne: cat /proc/mdstat |
| 19:18.25 | abrotman | tzafrir: so that's pure64 .. you might want to ask #debian-amd64 |
| 19:18.28 | pipeline | mne: Is the RAID array in failure mode? |
| 19:18.33 | abrotman | i hope so! |
| 19:18.36 | pipeline | mne: actually, paste the output of /proc/mdstat in pastebin.ca |
| 19:18.44 | tzafrir | thanks |
| 19:18.50 | mne | pipeline, thank you, I'll paste there |
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| 19:19.22 | mne | pipeline, http://pastebin.ca/46630 |
| 19:19.23 | unfo | yes! done! i really should run gparted one of these days. |
| 19:19.44 | mne | pipeline, I don't know if it's in failure mode, how can I check that ? |
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| 19:20.10 | izzyb | k, I guess i should be doing init 1 -- or rather tellinit 1. |
| 19:20.17 | izzyb | er telinit even |
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| 19:20.31 | unfo | why not just "init"? |
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| 19:20.31 | karma | i am in need of some help with qpopper. It seems to work on minute and then not the next |
| 19:20.38 | unfo | i mean init 1. |
| 19:20.38 | izzyb | what is the difference between doing init 1 and telinit? I always did init |
| 19:20.55 | unfo | dunno. anyone? |
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| 19:23.49 | izzyb | hmm from the man page --> /sbin/telinit is linked to /sbin/init. |
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| 19:24.02 | izzyb | so, I guess they are the same command |
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| 19:24.41 | alexs_ | is it just me or is boing boing totally covered in double posts today? |
| 19:24.45 | alexs_ | oh god damnit |
| 19:24.56 | alexs_ | this channel is always getting in the way :P |
| 19:25.28 | mne | pipeline, any ideas ? |
| 19:25.28 | kronoz | is there a log of this channel anywhere? somone said something useful earlier i'm trying to find |
| 19:25.39 | izzyb | also from the man page -->The init binary checks if it is init or telinit by looking at its process id; the real init's process id is always 1. |
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| 19:25.58 | izzyb | From this it follows that instead of calling telinit one can also just use init instead as a shortcut. |
| 19:26.15 | izzyb | so, you can use either init or telinit |
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| 19:26.56 | \\Neo | anyone got a SoundBlaster Audigy 2 ZS working on debian? |
| 19:27.04 | \\Neo | so that you actually can hear any sound :) |
| 19:27.20 | abrotman | using .. alsa .. oss? magic? |
| 19:27.24 | \\Neo | alsa |
| 19:27.30 | abrotman | with a 4.76.3 kernel? |
| 19:27.35 | abrotman | running hamm ? |
| 19:27.43 | \\Neo | uhm |
| 19:27.54 | \\Neo | i dont know ham and it was the testing cd from 4 days ago |
| 19:27.55 | mne | \\Neo, I don't know if it's an audigy ZS, but I have an audigy 2 sound blaster running with alsa, works just fine |
| 19:27.57 | abrotman | yes .. someone let me out of my padded room again :) |
| 19:28.23 | \\Neo | well xmms didnt complain and showed activity... but no sound there |
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| 19:28.32 | abrotman | \\Neo: what plugin is xmms using? |
| 19:28.35 | \\Neo | i setted up alsamixer and stuff |
| 19:28.35 | vinvin | how can I install smail and postfix ? |
| 19:28.38 | vinvin | (hi) |
| 19:28.39 | \\Neo | alsa ofc |
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| 19:28.49 | \\Neo | i tried with OSS too |
| 19:28.49 | unfo | kronoz: when? |
| 19:28.51 | \\Neo | didnt work |
| 19:28.59 | abrotman | \\Neo: checked your levels in alsamixer? |
| 19:29.02 | \\Neo | ye |
| 19:29.03 | abrotman | !alsa checklist |
| 19:29.06 | abrotman | !alsa-checklist |
| 19:29.06 | dpkg | somebody said alsa-checklist was 1) run alsaconf 2) add your user to the audio group 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 19:29.06 | \\Neo | all set to high |
| 19:29.15 | kronoz | unfo: after 7pm i think, name was cmdKeen *i think* |
| 19:29.20 | warreng | what's the best way to install lighttpd on debian? |
| 19:29.26 | \\Neo | mmmh |
| 19:29.28 | mne | \\Neo, aaaah, I head a similar problem ;) does the mixer and everything work ? the card has a huge load of channels and there is a switch "audigy analog/digital output jack". if it's turned off, you'll hear nothing |
| 19:29.34 | \\Neo | i did everything except step 4 |
| 19:29.49 | \\Neo | yeah i pushed all on |
| 19:29.56 | unfo | kronoz: maybe ask loggygreg or someone else with "log" in their nickname, or send cmdKeen a memo by memoserv and ask him again what he told you |
| 19:29.58 | abrotman | kronoz: about what? |
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| 19:30.11 | mne | \\Neo, so is that switch turned on ? |
| 19:30.19 | unfo | user--: hi |
| 19:30.19 | \\Neo | which switch? |
| 19:30.31 | unfo | user--: was the name *user taken? |
| 19:30.31 | izzyb | anyone on today that knows anything about mirroring drives with mdadm? |
| 19:30.31 | kronoz | a link about nvidia kernel, saying about compiling kernel module on k7 kernel |
| 19:30.33 | loggygreg | loggygreg: ??? |
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| 19:30.50 | brainiac_ghost | hmm |
| 19:30.51 | mne | \\Neo, the "audigy analog/digital output jack" switch in the mixer settings. |
| 19:30.53 | unfo | loggygreg: unfo: !!! |
| 19:30.53 | brainiac_ghost | debian |
| 19:31.00 | brainiac_ghost | or gentoo |
| 19:31.01 | izzyb | I seem to have a drive that doesn't stay mirrored on reboot, but I can mirror it manually using mdadm --add |
| 19:31.03 | unfo | :) |
| 19:31.07 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:31.10 | abrotman | kronoz: that? |
| 19:31.15 | \\Neo | mmmh i think so... i tried everything with that alsamixer |
| 19:31.16 | brainiac_ghost | what is the unstable debian versions like |
| 19:31.18 | \\Neo | im on windows now |
| 19:31.20 | abrotman | !tell kronoz about nvidia one-liner |
| 19:31.22 | brainiac_ghost | s/is/are |
| 19:31.28 | abrotman | !tell brainiac_ghost about sid faq |
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| 19:31.42 | \\Neo | well i just wanted to hear if anyone got it actually working with testing |
| 19:31.45 | kronoz | abotman: thats it! thanks |
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| 19:31.49 | guyzmo | hi |
| 19:31.54 | \\Neo | so if its worth to install debian again |
| 19:32.05 | _gass_ | Maulkin: kernel, busybox, initramfs-tools, udev and so on on the same line worked |
| 19:32.05 | mne | \\Neo, as I told you, it's working like a charm here. |
| 19:32.05 | abrotman | i'm sure it does work |
| 19:32.12 | \\Neo | mmmh okie |
| 19:32.20 | \\Neo | im gonna try again then |
| 19:32.40 | guyzmo | how can I get the list of installed packages on a non-running debian system that I mounted ? |
| 19:32.42 | \\Neo | which alsa version are you using? |
| 19:32.52 | \\Neo | as i installed PCLinuxOS and there also no sound |
| 19:33.05 | \\Neo | on Fedora Core 3 it used to work |
| 19:33.10 | mne | guyzmo, maybe you can chroot into the mounted system and then use the usual tools |
| 19:33.39 | brainiac_ghost | !tell brainiac_ghost about ati drivers |
| 19:34.02 | \\Neo | im gonna do some net-install again :) |
| 19:34.03 | \\Neo | thx man |
| 19:34.04 | \\Neo | cya around |
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| 19:34.20 | izzyb | !tell izzyb about ati drivers |
| 19:34.20 | vinvin | how can I install postfix without deleting smail ? |
| 19:34.22 | mne | \\Neo, 1.0.10-3. but I upgraded to unstable some time ago, anyway, on testing it did work fine as well |
| 19:34.23 | Spudchat | allright now, this is killing me...im trying to install a second harddrive, the first one is set to cable select and is workin well, but the new one isnt recognized when i set it to cable select, and when i set it as slave the bios tries to autodetect it and freezes |
| 19:34.24 | guyzmo | mne - clever ;) |
| 19:34.26 | Spudchat | and ideas? |
| 19:34.29 | Spudchat | any* |
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| 19:34.39 | brainiac_ghost | is xorg in testing |
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| 19:35.05 | Eulex | brainiac_ghost, yes. |
| 19:35.07 | guyzmo | brainiac_ghost - it is |
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| 19:35.19 | brainiac_ghost | yay |
| 19:35.22 | brainiac_ghost | 6.9 or 7 |
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| 19:35.42 | kronoz | <brainiac_ghost> 6.9 |
| 19:35.57 | izzyb | Spudchat, both drives have to use cable select or both have to be manually configured for master/slave |
| 19:36.15 | Spudchat | allright, but then any idea why i cant format it? |
| 19:36.16 | brainiac_ghost | what about the sky2 module (on the netinst CD) |
| 19:36.22 | stew | vinvin: why do you want to? |
| 19:36.33 | stew | vinvin: (the short answer is that you can't) |
| 19:36.42 | izzyb | Spudchat, sounds like a dead drive/cable/controller |
| 19:36.44 | vinvin | i want to replace it |
| 19:36.47 | Spudchat | allright thanks |
| 19:36.53 | vinvin | but it needs some config time... |
| 19:37.00 | Spudchat | the controller and cable work, so it must be the damn drive |
| 19:37.03 | vinvin | so i want smail while i config postfix |
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| 19:37.12 | Spudchat | ive been pullin my hair out over here tryin to figure it out |
| 19:37.41 | stew | vinvin: install postfix into a chroot |
| 19:37.46 | izzyb | Spudchat, I wouldn't rule out the cable or controller. I've seen many problems where they seem to work for a single drive, but strange things happen when you add a second |
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| 19:38.13 | Spudchat | damn, whod have thought installing a harddrive could be this hard |
| 19:38.28 | izzyb | Spudchat, if both drives work when set as masters on their own, then I'd try swapping the cable mainly because it's easy :) |
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| 19:38.45 | izzyb | Spudchat, yeah, I've been there :( |
| 19:39.03 | SonnyBurnett | Hi, can you tell how to do to put in my desktop all my mounted partitions?? it was as default before... but now I dont see any icon. |
| 19:39.05 | Spudchat | hmm i didnt think of that, it seems like the bios doesnt like the fact that its completely unformetted |
| 19:39.26 | SonnyBurnett | #debian-es |
| 19:39.37 | unfo | may i ask, did you test the drive in another computer? |
| 19:39.52 | Spudchat | no, i dont have any other ide machines |
| 19:39.53 | izzyb | Spudchat, not likely. sounds like bad hardware someplace |
| 19:40.03 | Spudchat | this one is realllly old too |
| 19:40.09 | Spudchat | pentium slot 1 eheh |
| 19:40.49 | Matt-H | Spudchat: how big is the drive? Might be bigger than the older BIOSes can support |
| 19:40.52 | thingfish | well no wonder it doesn't see the drive. how big is the drive? many old BIOSes can't see above a certain size hard drive. |
| 19:40.59 | Spudchat | its an 80 gig drive |
| 19:41.01 | izzyb | Spudchat, swap the cable, and try a different drive. |
| 19:41.01 | unfo | Spudchat: at the freecycle.com discussion groups you can probably a spare box for free to test the drive with. |
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| 19:42.02 | Spudchat | i think ill go back to the garage and try the new drive as the only master, then if that works ill hunt a cable down and try that |
| 19:42.17 | Spudchat | thanks for all the help, and i shall be back |
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| 19:42.48 | izzyb | no raid users lurking here? |
| 19:43.06 | d0uglas | qwerty will probably never be phased out, ever. Ever. |
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| 19:44.09 | unfo | dpkg, freecycle is a set of mailing lists where you can give away things (including old hardware) for free or get things for free. get more info at freecycle.org. |
| 19:44.09 | dpkg | unfo: okay |
| 19:44.16 | unfo | dpkg, freecycle.org is a set of mailing lists where you can give away things (including old hardware) for free or get things for free. |
| 19:44.16 | dpkg | okay, unfo |
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| 19:50.20 | abrotman | !useless factoids |
| 19:50.20 | dpkg | Every time you create a useless factoid, God kills a knoppix user |
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| 19:50.30 | Maulkin | \o/ |
| 19:50.32 | unfo | !banana abrotman |
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| 19:50.39 | Maulkin | Less support for us... :) |
| 19:50.53 | abrotman | !useless factoids |
| 19:50.53 | dpkg | Every time you create a useless factoid, God kills a mepis user |
| 19:51.01 | abrotman | i like this god |
| 19:51.04 | unfo | !mepis |
| 19:51.04 | dpkg | well, mepis is a Debian Unstable-based liveCD distribution similar to Knoppix, with its own hardware detection system that uses KDE and includes NVIDIA proprietary 3D driver. See http://www.mepis.org and/or visit #mepis and ask me about <Based On Debian> |
| 19:51.09 | Maulkin | Good, isn't it? |
| 19:51.25 | abrotman | if only i could duplicate that god |
| 19:51.32 | unfo | dpkg: mepis is also pretty good |
| 19:51.32 | dpkg | okay, unfo |
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| 19:51.59 | unfo | dpkg: mepis also has an excellent graphical installer |
| 19:52.03 | parag0n | Hey guys, i'm trying to set up my debian box to boot a console to s-video. it seems to be working, only the output seems to be in ntsc. any idea how i would change this to PAL? |
| 19:52.09 | Maulkin | unfo: Please, message the bots |
| 19:52.14 | unfo | ok |
| 19:52.15 | Spudchat | thanks a lot guys!!!!! |
| 19:52.22 | Spudchat | the damn thing wont support an 80 gig drive |
| 19:52.22 | abrotman | unfo: no .. actually don't |
| 19:52.24 | unfo | ok |
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| 19:52.34 | Spudchat | which isnt very good but at least i know the problem :) |
| 19:52.37 | abrotman | filling the bots with useless crap isn't helpful |
| 19:52.42 | abrotman | and mepis isn't pretty good |
| 19:52.44 | Maulkin | ahh :) |
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| 19:52.48 | unfo | it actually is |
| 19:52.53 | unfo | dpkg: mepis is also has an excellent graphical installer |
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| 19:52.53 | dpkg | unfo: okay |
| 19:52.58 | abrotman | unfo: let me put it another way |
| 19:53.05 | abrotman | we don't advocate other shit |
| 19:53.13 | Maulkin | unfo: I should probably point out now that this is a *Debian* bot. |
| 19:53.15 | unfo | i run debian |
| 19:53.20 | abrotman | so what .. |
| 19:53.27 | abrotman | stop advocating other people's shit |
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| 19:53.31 | abrotman | if you want to do that .. go to ##linux |
| 19:53.31 | st0ner | are the openoffice.org-l10n-* packages for spell checking or the ui translation? |
| 19:53.35 | chealer | !mepis |
| 19:53.35 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mepis is a Debian Unstable-based liveCD distribution similar to Knoppix, with its own hardware detection system that uses KDE and includes NVIDIA proprietary 3D driver. See http://www.mepis.org and/or visit #mepis and ask me about <Based On Debian> |
| 19:53.37 | unfo | but, ubuntu and mepis have far newbie-friendlier installers. |
| 19:53.42 | abrotman | no .. they're for tards |
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| 19:53.52 | unfo | no, they're for newbies. |
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| 19:53.53 | stew | and they're offtopic |
| 19:54.02 | abrotman | unfo: THEY'RE NOT RELATED TO DEBIAN!~ |
| 19:54.11 | parag0n | anyone fancy helping me with my debian-related problem? |
| 19:54.17 | unfo | if i didn't start out with a newbie-friendly distro i would still be stuck with debian. abrotman: i concede that point. |
| 19:54.18 | Maulkin | parag0n: Well, that's based on which card it is |
| 19:54.21 | abrotman | unfo: or rather .. they're NOT debian |
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| 19:54.26 | parag0n | ati radeon 9700 pro |
| 19:54.31 | Spudchat | so now if i buy a better controller and install that i can get the whole amount used? or will the bios always be the limiter? |
| 19:54.34 | Maulkin | parag0n: IIRC, it's part of the module's configuration |
| 19:54.34 | abrotman | unfo: so you're not using debian ? |
| 19:54.35 | parag0n | using the built in radeon driver |
| 19:54.39 | unfo | i am now |
| 19:54.41 | Maulkin | parag0n: I'd try google to be honest. |
| 19:54.47 | unfo | i started w mandrake 8 though. |
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| 19:54.56 | abrotman | i'd be perfectly happy if etch was harder to install |
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| 19:55.01 | unfo | actually with caldera OpenLinux 2.2 |
| 19:55.07 | abrotman | ew |
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| 19:55.12 | abrotman | did it still have tetris ? |
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| 19:55.22 | unfo | yup. i chose it b/c it was free after rebate. :) |
| 19:55.22 | Maulkin | tetrinet! |
| 19:55.33 | Maulkin | d/e/f/g? |
| 19:55.33 | izzyb | Spudchat, does the drive have a jumper to limit it |
| 19:55.38 | Spudchat | yes |
| 19:55.40 | unfo | i believe the installer tetris was too laggy on my pentium 90 pc for it to be useful though. |
| 19:55.48 | SonnyBurnett | Hi, can you tell how to do to put in my desktop all my mounted partitions?? it was as default before... but now I dont see any icon. |
| 19:55.56 | Spudchat | its allready formatted and i put an fstab entry for it |
| 19:56.07 | abrotman | unfo: so tell them |
| 19:56.07 | unfo | minesweeper. |
| 19:56.10 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 19:56.17 | unfo | haha |
| 19:57.03 | unfo | you really would be *upset* if they added in a game? |
| 19:57.18 | abrotman | i think it would be a waste of time . i'd rather they add an IQ test |
| 19:57.29 | hid3 | Evening everyone. I have got a small server (a router) and there are 3 NICs: integrated VIA, which is eth0, PCI 3Com 3c905 (eth1), and PCI Intel 100 mbps (eth2). Is there something I can do so that my Intel becomes eth0, not the VIA card? |
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| 19:57.47 | tim__ | I am having many problems with evolution-2.4 crashing and freezing up. I would like to delete all of my configuration files and start over, but I can't find them. where are they all located? I know of the ones in .evolution, .gconf/apps/evolution and .gnome2_private/Evolution |
| 19:57.48 | Maulkin | unfo / abrotman : This is starting to get quite offtopic. Please pop along to #debian-offtopic :) |
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| 19:57.54 | izzyb | Spudchat, a new controller would get around the problem, but at that point, so would a new mb :) |
| 19:57.55 | stew | abrotman: iirc joeyh is added (already added?) moon-buggy to d-i |
| 19:57.56 | unfo | ok |
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| 19:58.03 | stew | adding* |
| 19:58.17 | Spudchat | izzyb: eheh, do they even make mobos for a slot 1 ? |
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| 19:58.31 | Maulkin | hid3: Have a look at ifrename |
| 19:58.36 | unfo | moon-buggy? but I wanted nethack! </half-sarcasm> |
| 19:58.38 | jha_ | afternoon all |
| 19:58.55 | phaedral | unfo: long as it's only half |
| 19:59.03 | izzyb | Spudchat, well, I was thinking mb/cpu combo. could probably get an upgrade to what you have now for not much more then what a ide controller will cost you |
| 19:59.05 | phaedral | :) |
| 19:59.15 | Maulkin | tim__: The only one I really know of is .evolution |
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| 19:59.22 | Spudchat | izzyb: ok cool ill look into that |
| 19:59.30 | Spudchat | and once again guys thanks for all the help |
| 19:59.33 | chealer | tim__: which release do you use? |
| 19:59.35 | abrotman | Maulkin: i'm there already? |
| 19:59.48 | tim__ | evolution-2.4 in unstable |
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| 19:59.53 | chealer | tim__: BTS |
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| 20:00.27 | Maulkin | \o/ |
| 20:00.44 | Maulkin | tim__: Are you running unstable by any chance? |
| 20:00.47 | telenieko | Hi ppl. I've almost setup ifplugd on my laptop. But when it issues ifdown eth0 (because I unplug the cable) it doesn't remove the dhcp obtained ip address. How can I ensure that IP gets unconfigured on ifdown ? |
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| 20:00.57 | tim__ | chealer: I have looked in there, and judging by the number of severe bugs / crashing in evolution it might me time to switch to a new mail client |
| 20:01.01 | tim__ | Maulkin yes |
| 20:01.21 | jha_ | I am new to debian, not to linux, but im tired of other distros and thought it was time I made the effort to learn a real distro. I just installed debian testing but I can't locate the kernel sources package. I have tried apt-get install kernel-source and apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.15 neither work, claims there is no such package. I have updated my sources, and when I do apt-get install kernel-source the message clai |
| 20:01.22 | Maulkin | tim__: Ok, there is a known bug at the moment whcih means that Evolution os broken. |
| 20:01.26 | chealer | tim__: well, I just wonder why you ask about evolution then |
| 20:01.31 | Maulkin | I'll just grab the details... |
| 20:01.56 | telenieko | jha_ try wit linux-source, and linux-headers (apt-cache search linux-source) |
| 20:02.12 | tim__ | chealer: because it seems to have gotten progressively worse in terms of crashing in the last few weeks |
| 20:02.13 | stew | Maulkin: it was mentioned on planet iirc |
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| 20:02.16 | jha_ | gracias telenieko |
| 20:02.23 | scenestar | they debian weekly testing build |
| 20:02.28 | scenestar | does it come with the gtk installer? |
| 20:02.42 | scenestar | and what is the "testing" part |
| 20:02.44 | chealer | tim__: anyway, if you want to switch MUA, don't ask about evolution. if you don't, see the BTS |
| 20:02.51 | telenieko | jha_ de nada ;o) (there was a name change from kernel-* to linux-* someday... ;) |
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| 20:03.54 | Maulkin | tim__: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/03/msg00941.html |
| 20:03.56 | jha_ | telenieko its working perfectly |
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| 20:04.00 | tim__ | chealer: cant i do both? :) |
| 20:04.05 | endeavormac | i'd like to do a netinst of debian on my powerbook, but i need to be able to log in to my campus's network through a http/html interface before their all-powerful firewall will let me through. Is there a way I can easily throw elinks on my netinst disk? |
| 20:04.17 | stew | unfo: /msg dpkg downgrade |
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| 20:04.40 | telenieko | jha_ hoped so! Debian appears as side note on dictionarys for (almost)perfect ;o))) |
| 20:04.45 | unfo | stew: maybe it's all for the better anyway. |
| 20:04.52 | jha_ | I saw linux-source in google searches but couldn't confirm it would provide what I was looking for (i.e. generic kernel sources or debian sources). |
| 20:04.58 | tim__ | Maulkin: thanks, i will give that a shot |
| 20:05.06 | unfo | the inability to downgrade is perhaps an incentive for the fixing of bugs :) |
| 20:05.25 | telenieko | jha_ http://packages.debian.org, or apt-cache search |
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| 20:05.43 | stew | jha_: why do you want kernel sources, btw? |
| 20:06.07 | jha_ | no particular reason, just tinkering around |
| 20:06.11 | klync | endeavormac: if you've got a desktop, an extra nic, and a crossover ethernet cable, that might be easier than trying to create a custom install cd, imo |
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| 20:06.28 | stew | jha_: ok, most people who think they need them only, in fact need the headers |
| 20:06.34 | jha_ | figured the best way to learn debian was to play with all the blood and guts type stuff |
| 20:06.41 | izzyb | hmm, how do you use usb devices with a 2.6 kernel? |
| 20:06.41 | unfo | endeavormac: or just download a full install cd 1 |
| 20:06.45 | telenieko | jha_ There's also linux-headers in case you just want the headers for your stock kernel. Also module-assistant is useful for playing with modules on the apt repository |
| 20:06.45 | stew | jha_: /msg dpkg kp |
| 20:06.48 | klync | endeavormac: i.e., connect via ip_masq through a machine that's on the uni's lan |
| 20:07.25 | endeavormac | i guess i can set up my windows machine to share it's wireless connection and plug it into my mac, i was just hoping there was a more elegant way of doing things |
| 20:07.58 | jha_ | stew: ? |
| 20:08.41 | jha_ | telenieko: I figured the linux-headers was for compiling stuff correct? tar.gz files etc... |
| 20:08.50 | unfo | jha_: no |
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| 20:09.10 | unfo | jha_: you use ./configure && make for compiling apps |
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| 20:09.23 | unfo | jha_: or, better yet, you do an apt-cache search for the package |
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| 20:09.45 | Plasmoduck | How can I get my system to show in the console I am logged into to show every ssh attempt? |
| 20:09.48 | telenieko | jha_ headers is for compilling modules not in the kernel, so you don't need the full kernel source tree. |
| 20:09.54 | jha_ | unfo: sorry I wasn't clear. linux-headers would be what I would need to have on the box to compile new progs |
| 20:09.56 | NewMold | i was wondering if anybody knew a way to execute a .bat file on a NT server (windows 2003)? the reason is because I wanted Nagios to perform certain task like restart services in a certain order (from the .bat file). |
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| 20:10.11 | NewMold | i'm talking about command line execution. |
| 20:10.19 | unfo | NewMold: sc restart apache2 |
| 20:10.25 | jha_ | telenieko: k, thats what I thought. im just tinkering right now |
| 20:10.42 | Plasmoduck | ? |
| 20:10.46 | unfo | what is nagios? |
| 20:10.51 | NewMold | apache is not installed on the NT box. |
| 20:11.00 | NewMold | Nagios is a system monitor for linux.; |
| 20:11.09 | unfo | sc restart $SERVICENAME iirc is it. |
| 20:11.13 | NewMold | (can monitor services on NT boxes etc etc) |
| 20:11.32 | stew | Plasmoduck: try adding a line to /etc/syslog.conf that says "auth.* *" then restart syslog |
| 20:11.38 | unfo | sc.exe probably comes in the Windows Server 2003 Resource Kit (*HUGE* download if you get it all) |
| 20:11.41 | mage | anyone has experience with fcgid ? |
| 20:11.59 | telenieko | jha_ not exactly, just kernel stuff. Every program needs special headers for compilling. You can apt-get build-dep some-package to get what you need to compile it (assuming the software is available in Debian) for other thinks you'll almost look for *-dev packages which have the headers for its non -dev packages. For example libgai-dev has the headers for libgai0 |
| 20:12.08 | izzyb | hmm, what is sc.exe? |
| 20:12.13 | Plasmoduck | ?with the " " ? |
| 20:12.28 | stew | jha_: type "/msg dpkg kp" into your irc client, the dpkg bot will give you information about compiling your kernel the 'debian way'. linux-headers are for compiling additional 3rd party drivers into a pre-compiled kernel |
| 20:12.29 | unfo | Windows NT Service Controller |
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| 20:12.45 | grendal_prime | grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 20:12.47 | grendal_prime | i can ping out of that box...to any other box on the internet accept the other router |
| 20:12.47 | Plasmoduck | stew, where in the file do I put it? |
| 20:12.54 | stew | Plasmoduck: doesn't matter |
| 20:12.55 | NewMold | unfo -> but how can i do this from linux command line? Nagios is installed on this Debian box i'm building. i m trying to figure out if i can from command line execute a .bat file on a different server (NT) |
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| 20:13.45 | jha_ | stew: ahh, thank you very much |
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| 20:13.53 | unfo | NewMold: oh. dunno. |
| 20:13.54 | Plasmoduck | stew, at the very bottom? |
| 20:14.00 | stew | Plasmoduck: anywhere |
| 20:14.02 | NewMold | ah ok. that's cool unfo. |
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| 20:14.20 | Plasmoduck | stew, with the "brackets" ? |
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| 20:14.36 | stew | Plasmoduck: which brackets? |
| 20:14.38 | NewMold | nagios has an event handler where you can write a script, but the documentation does not include anything besides restarting services on the same box. |
| 20:14.40 | Plasmoduck | stew, like "auth.* *" |
| 20:14.50 | telenieko | nobody has a clue on how to tell ifdown "please remove all ipv4 stuff before taking down" ? |
| 20:14.52 | stew | Plasmoduck: no |
| 20:14.56 | Plasmoduck | stew, or just auth.* * |
| 20:14.58 | Plasmoduck | okay |
| 20:15.03 | unfo | NewMold: i had a summer job at a company called PlateSpin who made a $5000+ product that copied files off Win2K servers into VMWare VM's. they used WMI to start their app from remote. |
| 20:15.31 | abrotman | wtf does that have to do with debian? |
| 20:15.34 | unfo | there's also rexec. |
| 20:15.40 | unfo | just answering NewMold |
| 20:15.41 | Plasmoduck | stew, how do I restart syslog? |
| 20:15.56 | unfo | s/rexec// |
| 20:15.57 | NewMold | yea he's just trying to help. thaks unfo. |
| 20:16.06 | unfo | np :) |
| 20:16.09 | NewMold | i'll keep googlieing i guess. |
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| 20:16.19 | unfo | NewMold: ask on #windows. |
| 20:16.26 | scenestar | erhm |
| 20:16.46 | scenestar | can somone explain the difference between etch and sarge, and is it wise to use etch for a desktop? |
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| 20:17.06 | settd | does anyone use liferea? |
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| 20:17.10 | Plasmoduck | ?? |
| 20:17.14 | grendal_prime | ahhhh ha...i got it |
| 20:17.15 | Maulkin | settd: Yes. |
| 20:17.16 | loggygreg | Plasmoduck: "/etc/init.d/sysklogd restart" |
| 20:17.18 | Ronin | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:17.19 | abrotman | scenestar: etch is testing .. sarge is stable |
| 20:17.20 | grendal_prime | fthfkr that was werid |
| 20:17.23 | NewMold | yea i probably should ask in that channel, i was just asking in this channel cus i thought somebody must of done it by now in here. |
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| 20:17.32 | unfo | since recently, i use etch on my desktop. its worked fine for 2 months until a week ago. today abiword broke. |
| 20:17.42 | unfo | s/today/a week ago |
| 20:17.42 | grendal_prime | ok you ever wind up with a two known hosts with the same key information?? |
| 20:17.43 | stew | scenestar: http://debian.org/releases |
| 20:17.55 | Azar | scenestar: sarge is stable , etch is in testing |
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| 20:18.02 | grendal_prime | that will fk up an ssh connection sure as shit boys |
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| 20:18.04 | scenestar | yeah i figure that out |
| 20:18.11 | scenestar | but what is the difference in packages? |
| 20:18.12 | sepski | scenestar, it's allways _wise_ to use sarge. only if you need (not want) some newer aplication and it's not available as a backport. should you run etch. it might be more fun to use etch :) but not if you depend on te computer for work :) |
| 20:18.28 | sepski | scenestar, the version number |
| 20:18.32 | scenestar | sepski, define "work" |
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| 20:18.42 | scenestar | i need some new crap for my laptop |
| 20:18.47 | Plasmoduck | stew, I just tryed sshing to the server and it didn't show up |
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| 20:19.02 | Sticklyman | I have a question: What can I do if the Debian installation does not want to load drivers for my CD/DVD drive?? |
| 20:19.02 | scenestar | if i use eth, is it comaptible with most backports? |
| 20:19.05 | grendal_prime | and unstable...dude..if you use it just one time you could get syphilis...or pregnant....you never know |
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| 20:19.40 | grendal_prime | maybe even both |
| 20:19.47 | grendal_prime | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 20:19.53 | Azar | Sticklyman: with a 2.4 kernel you have less support for drivers, you could upgrade to a 2.6.8 kernel or install with kernel 2.6 |
| 20:20.03 | stew | Plasmoduck: works here, are you sure you restarted syslog? |
| 20:20.25 | Plasmoduck | yes |
| 20:21.05 | Plasmoduck | how can I use ulogd for iptables and have it set up to show ssh connection attempts |
| 20:21.08 | Plasmoduck | ? |
| 20:21.14 | stew | Plasmoduck: you put a line with "auth.* *" into /etc/syslog.conf, then ran /etc/init.d/syslogkd restart? |
| 20:21.19 | stew | Plasmoduck: that really should work |
| 20:21.37 | Sticklyman | I have the 31r1 Release on DVD...do you know which kernel that uses? |
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| 20:21.49 | stew | scenestar: 2.4.27-2 or 2.6.8-2 |
| 20:21.53 | stew | Sticklyman: ^^ |
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| 20:22.23 | Azar | scenestar: to emphasize grendal_prime : you can marry an old clean virgin (Sarge) or you could jump on a beautiful hooker (not so clean though) - Etch |
| 20:22.38 | scenestar | hmmm |
| 20:22.46 | Sticklyman | thanks a lot :) I'll try to install again |
| 20:22.51 | scenestar | well is this in anyway comparable to dapper drake |
| 20:22.58 | scenestar | or is the stability worse |
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| 20:23.26 | Azar | scenestar: for beginners Sarge is better it is stable and gives you time to learn the ropes |
| 20:23.35 | scenestar | yeah well, i know the ropes |
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| 20:23.44 | grendal_prime | Azar, exactly man....etch can be sexy...especially when you get the xorg a going. |
| 20:23.50 | scenestar | yeah |
| 20:24.00 | scenestar | and editing a xorg file isnt that hard |
| 20:24.04 | Azar | scenestar: then jump on etch |
| 20:24.07 | scenestar | hmmm |
| 20:24.10 | JasonX | whats the best way to clone a failing drive under linux to a new one. (dd is giving me input/output error, should i just use noerror option and hope for the best) |
| 20:24.15 | scenestar | hmmm |
| 20:24.21 | scenestar | im still unsure |
| 20:24.21 | grendal_prime | and the nifty little fish front end in the network connections wizzardy windowsy sort of thing |
| 20:24.25 | thewiz | hello, i am running sarge ... and I am trying to set up my apt-get source list |
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| 20:24.32 | scenestar | and the last question |
| 20:24.34 | thewiz | to get more packets |
| 20:24.35 | scenestar | if i turn it on |
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| 20:24.41 | scenestar | and i have an ac97 codec |
| 20:24.44 | thewiz | any one know where to get those ? |
| 20:24.48 | scenestar | will it completely murder my sound output? |
| 20:24.50 | Ronin | get more packets? |
| 20:24.52 | phaedral | scenestar: i came to debian via a "based on", so sid but worse; finally got stable-sarge on two different machines |
| 20:24.53 | grendal_prime | man..i got to tell ya..the hooker side of debian gets me soooooo worked up |
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| 20:24.56 | scenestar | thewiz, apt-get.org |
| 20:24.57 | phaedral | am now on etch and thrilled |
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| 20:25.06 | Azar | scenestar: you install alsa , I have the same codec |
| 20:25.27 | scenestar | ok |
| 20:25.27 | scenestar | cool |
| 20:25.28 | scenestar | np |
| 20:25.28 | phaedral | negligible headaches on a fairely new laptop |
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| 20:25.45 | scenestar | well, time to have a quick affaire with the hooker |
| 20:25.46 | jair | hello guys.. |
| 20:25.52 | scenestar | shes a better lay |
| 20:25.52 | thewiz | it only has deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main |
| 20:25.54 | thewiz | deb-src ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main |
| 20:25.56 | thewiz | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
| 20:26.00 | Ronin | thewiz: apt-setup |
| 20:26.06 | jair | If I am very familiar with the installation of debian sarge stable version 3.1 |
| 20:26.20 | jair | what changes or image I have to get to install etch or sid? |
| 20:26.21 | scenestar | thewiz, sudo vim /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:26.23 | jasondddd | whats the syntax to delete rm x1 x2 x3 x4 x5 .. i know that would work but i was trying rm x[1-5] |
| 20:26.24 | Ronin | hot darn quitting time |
| 20:26.25 | scenestar | edit it by habd |
| 20:26.35 | stew | jair: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 20:26.40 | Azar | thewiz: like Ronin said and if you need non-free drivers add non-free contrib at the end of each source |
| 20:26.50 | jair | stew, what exactly that will do? |
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| 20:27.08 | scenestar | just do it |
| 20:27.08 | jair | stew, and I am guessing that in the future etch will be the stable one? |
| 20:27.09 | scenestar | FFs |
| 20:27.13 | stew | jair: type that into your irc client, the bot will tell you about switching from sarge to etch |
| 20:27.16 | stew | jair: yes |
| 20:27.19 | thewiz | i am now looking for an kde moddin plugin |
| 20:27.28 | thewiz | being googling for it but cant find it |
| 20:27.29 | jair | stew, nice |
| 20:27.40 | scenestar | hmmm |
| 20:27.41 | thewiz | moodin plugin that i |
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| 20:27.46 | jair | !etch |
| 20:27.46 | dpkg | etch is, like, the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ . Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from our web site, http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer. |
| 20:27.47 | scenestar | does xgl work with etch? |
| 20:27.51 | scenestar | that woukd be hot |
| 20:27.56 | jair | stew, thank you |
| 20:28.01 | stew | scenestar: not yet |
| 20:28.07 | scenestar | damn |
| 20:28.09 | scenestar | well that blows |
| 20:28.14 | jair | stew, I am trying to have a simple virtual domain configuration with sarge and apache 1.3.33 |
| 20:28.22 | scenestar | can i add expirimental packages though? |
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| 20:28.28 | Azar | scenestar: backports |
| 20:28.32 | scenestar | or compile xorg cvs? |
| 20:28.34 | scenestar | ah ok |
| 20:28.34 | Vinland | How hard is it to chroot sftp users into a specified directoy eg. /var/www/html/bobspage/? I've been browsing some howtos and it seems little more tricky than I thought, I also read something on using some jailkit program to do it as well. Any suggestions? comments? |
| 20:28.35 | scenestar | np |
| 20:28.36 | jair | stew, I read the documents and actually comes with very nice examples |
| 20:28.37 | stew | Azar: there aren't backports |
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| 20:28.44 | scenestar | hmm |
| 20:28.45 | scenestar | dammit |
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| 20:28.47 | Azar | stew, ah .. |
| 20:28.52 | stew | scenestar: i don't know if the xgl stuff has been packaged yet |
| 20:28.58 | scenestar | distro[Debian testing/unstable] |
| 20:29.07 | scenestar | well right now im running dapper drake |
| 20:29.11 | scenestar | but ubuntu is pissing me off |
| 20:29.26 | jair | stew, but I am not understanding something the ip addresses? they have to be static for the outside world? or they can be internal class "C" for example if they will be used internally only |
| 20:30.03 | stew | jair: i dont' understand what you are asking |
| 20:30.10 | Azar | scenestar: maybe a jump to unstable after etch? |
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| 20:30.28 | scenestar | Azar, i could |
| 20:30.31 | scenestar | hmmm |
| 20:30.35 | scenestar | that would be sorta hot |
| 20:30.55 | jair | stew, have you ever configure vhost in apache using IP style? |
| 20:30.56 | unfo | scenestar: what do you want thats not in sarge? |
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| 20:31.00 | stew | jair: yes |
| 20:31.07 | scenestar | unfo, proprietary hardware |
| 20:31.12 | jair | stew, that is exactly what I am asking you about. |
| 20:31.14 | scenestar | blus stable is more stale |
| 20:31.16 | unfo | scenestar: what hardware |
| 20:31.20 | _joey | I've got an archive packaged in rar, I want to split the archive into smaller sizes so that it could be reconstructed with most rar archivers |
| 20:31.22 | scenestar | asus a6k |
| 20:31.24 | jair | !sid |
| 20:31.24 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 20:31.30 | _joey | any ideas how to do this on linux ? |
| 20:31.35 | scenestar | its one of those systems you want to use gentoo for |
| 20:31.41 | scenestar | but i hate compiling |
| 20:31.49 | stew | jair: the need to be configured to an ip bound to an interface on that box |
| 20:31.51 | unfo | scenestar: what on the asus a6k is unsupported? |
| 20:31.59 | scenestar | pretty much everything? |
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| 20:32.07 | scenestar | first of all, the kernel is crap |
| 20:32.14 | scenestar | so that requires a custom one |
| 20:32.16 | chealer | Azar: do you have any reason for suggesting someone who apparently never used Debian to use unstable?< |
| 20:32.21 | scenestar | theres issues with acpid |
| 20:32.27 | stew | scenestar: which kernel is crap? |
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| 20:32.31 | scenestar | and older libs make it a potential firehazard |
| 20:32.39 | scenestar | the one that comes with sarge by default |
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| 20:32.45 | chealer | !tell scenestar about enter |
| 20:32.45 | scenestar | plus im kinda addicted to xgl |
| 20:32.47 | Azar | chealer scenestar said is fairly experienced and willing to push the envelope |
| 20:32.49 | stew | scenestar: what is wrong with it? |
| 20:33.10 | stew | scenestar: xgl isn't in debian at all yet |
| 20:33.12 | jair | stew, ok I have this example: I have already a box configured with static ip: 192.168.10.207, this one is running apache 1.3.33 the default way only hosting one web site on the default directory /var/www |
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| 20:33.31 | scenestar | well i can live without xgl |
| 20:33.42 | chealer | Azar: someone fairly experienced wouldn't ask advice about which release do use for a personal desktop |
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| 20:33.47 | jair | stew, if I want to have this a vhost as well I have to go to the http.conf right botton of the page. |
| 20:33.48 | scenestar | i just want to get far far away from those retarded ubuntu packages |
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| 20:34.04 | Azar | chealer, right, my bad |
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| 20:34.12 | scenestar | chealer, thats not correct |
| 20:34.22 | chealer | scenestar: what? |
| 20:34.26 | phrosty | hmm still no php-mysqli in apt :( |
| 20:34.36 | scenestar | im just not used to using desktop linux, but i can set up a debian server over ssh while im drunk |
| 20:34.45 | scenestar | so dont look down on me kthnx |
| 20:34.48 | unfo | over ssh? |
| 20:35.00 | stew | scenestar: if you have to ask which you should be running you shouldn't be running unstable, that is what chealer is trying to say |
| 20:35.02 | Vinland | The guys over at slackware told me that debian users are gay. |
| 20:35.14 | unfo | Vinland: they're projecting |
| 20:35.15 | scenestar | tell them that theyre jealous of apt |
| 20:35.21 | stew | Vinland: do you ahve a debian related question, or are you just here to troll? |
| 20:35.22 | Vinland | ha! |
| 20:35.32 | Vinland | stew - a little of both. |
| 20:35.41 | chealer | scenestar: I'm not looking down on you, I'm saying to Azar that it's inappropriate to suggest you to use unstable |
| 20:35.43 | stew | Vinland: get to the debian question, quit the trolling |
| 20:36.04 | Vinland | I was actually looking into help on chrooting sftp users, I'm browsing some howtos right now...doesn't seem like the most simple thing to do. |
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| 20:36.36 | scenestar | makes sense, it was more or less just finding out what exactly makes unstable si unstable, seeing as "stable" means older than windows 98 |
| 20:36.39 | unfo | Vinland: why not just look in apt for a restricted shell for them? |
| 20:36.47 | stew | scenestar: that's not what stable means |
| 20:36.57 | scenestar | thats what it means to me |
| 20:37.03 | chealer | scenestar: I'm not sure we're looking at the same stable |
| 20:37.21 | Vinland | unfo - and that will have the same effect, they would be restricted to a certain directory? or would they just have limited commands. |
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| 20:37.30 | scenestar | i just prefer a bit more bleeding edge stuff, and i dont mind if it dies on me once or twice |
| 20:37.41 | stew | scenestar: unstable means that it gets new potential broken packages uploaded to it daily |
| 20:37.52 | unfo | Vinland: i don't know, i've never even run an FTP server in my life, sorry. |
| 20:37.55 | _gass_ | can someon help me, i am upgrading from sarge to etch, i have installed the kernel, but udev refuses still to install, and kernel panics at startup |
| 20:38.02 | scenestar | stew: like i care, ill just file the bugs and make sure they are fixed |
| 20:38.04 | Azar | it is not everyday that people come here wanting to test... |
| 20:38.05 | chealer | stew: hourly? :) |
| 20:38.06 | scenestar | mebbe fix them myself |
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| 20:38.13 | stew | chealer: well dinstall runs daily |
| 20:38.15 | Vinland | unfo - sftpd, its not ftp but ssh |
| 20:38.19 | scenestar | give something back to the community |
| 20:38.21 | unfo | i know |
| 20:38.39 | unfo | i use sftp client when i can. |
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| 20:38.48 | chealer | stew: I know, there's no point in discussing the time anyway |
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| 20:38.56 | Vinland | unfo - so basically I'm asking how to restrict ssh users to a directory. |
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| 20:39.16 | scenestar | give them their own usergroup and make sure they cant break out? |
| 20:39.28 | scenestar | or chroot ssh? |
| 20:39.29 | stew | Vinland: you can't |
| 20:39.33 | stew | scenestar: you can't |
| 20:39.33 | marcel | evolution is no longer working after a upgrade in sid |
| 20:39.38 | abrotman | chroot .. if you really want to spend a lot of time doing it |
| 20:39.42 | unfo | Vinland: i dunno but try: $ apt-cache search sftp restrict |
| 20:39.43 | unfo | rssh - Restricted shell allowing only scp, sftp, cvs, rsync and/or rdist |
| 20:39.43 | unfo | scponly - Restricts the commands available to scp- and sftp-users |
| 20:39.45 | Vinland | sure you can |
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| 20:39.47 | Vinland | brb doorbell |
| 20:39.57 | abrotman | doorbell? |
| 20:39.58 | scenestar | sure you can |
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| 20:40.03 | scenestar | or better yet, jail it |
| 20:40.10 | marcel | how do i go back one version of a package? |
| 20:40.20 | stew | i mean you cant reasonably and completely securely |
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| 20:40.24 | scenestar | marcel man dpkg |
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| 20:40.43 | Azar | groups? I thought you can confine users to a group or deny access to other groups to users? |
| 20:40.44 | stew | marcel: "apt-get install package=version" if the version is still in the pool, otherwise /msg dpkg sdn |
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| 20:41.15 | marcel | stew, thanks |
| 20:41.36 | scenestar | ok, one last really stupid question |
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| 20:42.02 | jair | stew, so if I want to install etch or sid I need to use the etch installer? |
| 20:42.03 | scenestar | when i run the install cd, it shows a naice debian background with acommand line for arguments |
| 20:42.13 | scenestar | how can i get that as my default startup frame buffer |
| 20:42.14 | stew | jair: you, you can "upgrade" from sarge |
| 20:42.21 | jair | what beta should I use from the etch installer? |
| 20:42.28 | jair | stew, really? |
| 20:42.34 | stew | jair: yes |
| 20:42.44 | stew | jair: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 20:42.49 | nonix4 | Is there a way to do "lsof -o" w/ debian? |
| 20:42.50 | Azar | scenestar: you mean you want to boot in CLI mode? |
| 20:43.28 | scenestar | nah, nvm |
| 20:43.37 | stew | nonix4: yeah, have you tried "lsof -o" |
| 20:43.45 | Vinland | okay back to the chrooting ssh users, whats the difference beteween jailing and chrooting? I have been reading a little bit into some program called jailkit. |
| 20:43.48 | scenestar | ill just ad the fb kernel patch to my ck patches |
| 20:43.59 | rvsjoen | how can I restore the original smb.conf ? |
| 20:44.08 | scenestar | vinland, i use jails for my bsd servers |
| 20:44.21 | nonix4 | stew: complains that it ain't supported |
| 20:44.24 | scenestar | its basicly liek a virtual machine, except running on the same kernel |
| 20:44.30 | jair | stew, I got it but quick question, do this will brake the system? |
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| 20:44.36 | scenestar | its virtually impossible to break out |
| 20:44.38 | jair | stew, what kernel is using etch? |
| 20:44.50 | stew | jair: potentially. 2.6.15-1 |
| 20:44.50 | scenestar | ive saved my systems from alot of scrptkiddies that way |
| 20:44.55 | jair | stew, nice |
| 20:44.58 | scenestar | hmmm |
| 20:45.04 | stew | jair: you should make sure you are running a 2.6 kernel *before* you upgrade |
| 20:45.09 | scenestar | jair, i reccoment you build your own though |
| 20:45.11 | jair | stew, and what about the security testing line? |
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| 20:45.32 | stew | jair: /msg dpkg testing security |
| 20:45.39 | Vinland | scenestar - and how hard is that to set up? I'm not too concerned with people trying to get out of their chroot or jail, I just don't want some of the morons messing about besides in their directory. |
| 20:45.39 | jair | stew, Linux guruji 2.6.8-2-686-smp #1 SMP Tue Aug 16 12:08:30 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 20:45.54 | jair | stew, nice thank you though |
| 20:46.01 | stew | nonix4: works in etch, maybe not in sarge |
| 20:46.04 | scenestar | well, you can easily just set permissions, its nothing that hard |
| 20:46.05 | Maulkin | jair: There is now security support for testing |
| 20:46.16 | scenestar | you dont need chroots or jails for that |
| 20:46.19 | scenestar | just chmod |
| 20:46.43 | jair | Maulkin, that sounds great to me. |
| 20:46.56 | jair | perfect |
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| 20:47.13 | jair | I will be upgrading couple of machines then |
| 20:47.13 | Vinland | scenestar - hrrmm good point, any downsides to just using perms to keep them in there? |
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| 20:47.28 | scenestar | make sure you do it right? |
| 20:47.33 | Maulkin | jair: BEar in mind the different URL for updates though |
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| 20:47.43 | Vinland | maybe a restricted shell too |
| 20:47.52 | Maulkin | jair: And you may want to subscribe to the -annouce list |
| 20:48.01 | scenestar | there was a package for that |
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| 20:48.10 | stew | Vinland: you can't keep ssh users from cd'ing out of thier home directories simply with permissions |
| 20:48.22 | scenestar | hwo so |
| 20:48.30 | scenestar | just make it unreadble for group members? |
| 20:48.33 | thefish_ | Whoa! |
| 20:48.51 | stew | scenestar: make what unreadable? /bin? /usr/bin? /usr/lib? |
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| 20:48.56 | scenestar | no |
| 20:49.07 | scenestar | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:49.09 | stew | scenestar: how do you prevent them from cd'ing to /usr/bin without changing permissions? |
| 20:49.23 | stew | err, by changing permissions? |
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| 20:49.28 | thefish_ | "/etc" |
| 20:49.32 | stew | right |
| 20:49.38 | scenestar | hmmmm |
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| 20:49.48 | mike__ | Does anyone know how to turn on power to a pcmcia socket? |
| 20:49.54 | Maulkin | To stop a cd, you need a restricted shell |
| 20:50.15 | Maulkin | mike__: cardctl I think |
| 20:50.19 | slinn | how do i view a raw manfile? ie. foo.8 |
| 20:50.21 | scenestar | http://www.felipecruz.com/blog_restricte-linux-users-to-their-home.php |
| 20:50.23 | scenestar | theyre |
| 20:50.25 | scenestar | that stops all |
| 20:50.27 | scenestar | the end |
| 20:50.30 | Maulkin | mike__: However, it's always been on for me. |
| 20:50.34 | nonix4 | stew: you absolutely sure? Did you try "lsof -o >/dev/null" ? |
| 20:50.47 | stew | slinn: "man /path/to/foo.8" should work |
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| 20:51.02 | stew | nonix4: no, i'm totoally wrong, you are right, sorry |
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| 20:51.23 | slinn | stew: ahh, ok... had to have the ./ in front of the file |
| 20:51.32 | mike__ | Cardctl status shows a 3,v volt card until I run cardctl eject then insert and then it doesn't even see the card. |
| 20:51.50 | thefish_ | that's weird |
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| 20:52.31 | CoolCubix | is it normal that i have no /dev/dsp ? |
| 20:52.34 | mike__ | The card works if I boot winxp. It's a dual usb2 pcmcia card. |
| 20:52.36 | chaedaeX | hey guys, i'm trying to find the definition of "obscure" as it occurs in /etc/pam.d/common-password neither pam docs or any debian docs states anything about it. obviously it must enforce some sort of password policy but i cannot find out what exactly. |
| 20:52.38 | stew | mike__: cardctl reset? |
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| 20:53.01 | stew | CoolCubix: try "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" if you are using alsa, if that works add snd-pcm-oss to /etc/modules |
| 20:53.27 | mike__ | Still doesn't see the card. |
| 20:53.47 | stew | mike__: /etc/init.d/pcmcia restart? |
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| 20:54.14 | CoolCubix | stew, modprobe works, but i still have no such device |
| 20:54.39 | stew | CoolCubix: what card do you have? which driver are you using? |
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| 20:54.54 | stew | CoolCubix: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 20:55.03 | CoolCubix | 2.6.15 |
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| 20:55.10 | CoolCubix | precompiled kernel |
| 20:55.12 | stew | CoolCubix: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
| 20:55.23 | stew | CoolCubix: that's not a precompiled kernel |
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| 20:55.30 | mike__ | The problem is I get errors on the built-in usb ports, especially if i use apic and I was hoping that a pcmci usb would avoid this problem. |
| 20:55.30 | stew | CoolCubix: that's a custom one |
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| 20:56.09 | CoolCubix | stew, strange, this is the kernel i got when installed debian |
| 20:56.09 | stew | mike__: have you tried ohci vs. uhci? |
| 20:56.39 | stew | CoolCubix: no, it can't be a debian kernel or it would have a debian revision on the end |
| 20:56.50 | stew | CoolCubix: it would be something like 2.6.15-1-486 |
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| 20:57.18 | mike__ | I flahed a new bios to fix the apic problems on a compaq v200 with an amd64 turion, so that the clock interrupts are no longer 2 times. |
| 20:57.21 | CoolCubix | stew, sorry, i got "2.6.15-1-486 |
| 20:57.21 | CoolCubix | " |
| 20:57.26 | mne_ | I've a problem with my newly set up software raid5. the single disks have a read performance of about 23MB/s. unforntunately the software raid5 consisting of 3 HDDs has a miserable read performance of 11MB/s (though it should be more like 46MB/s). any help would be appreciated |
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| 20:57.36 | fishhead | mne |
| 20:57.47 | mne_ | fishhead, yes ? |
| 20:57.47 | fishhead | make sure you aren't using any slave devices |
| 20:57.50 | thefish_ | what!! |
| 20:57.57 | scenestar | well im going to play stuff on my psp |
| 20:58.03 | scenestar | thanks etc |
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| 20:58.32 | CoolCubix | stew, i gave you only 3 first numbers, cause i thought you were only interested by the _version_ |
| 20:58.32 | mike__ | I am using ohci. |
| 20:58.38 | mne_ | fishhead, that could be a problem indeed. unfortunately, I don't have any spare ATA controller cards here. do you think this is the only problem ? |
| 20:58.47 | fishhead | no idea |
| 20:59.01 | fishhead | I just know that ide can't multitask 2 devices on the same cable |
| 20:59.05 | fishhead | so it's a big performance hit |
| 20:59.09 | markybob | mne, ata can only talk to one device at a time. if it's writting to the master one, it cant write to the slave one. thus bottleneck |
| 20:59.26 | mne_ | fishhead, you're right, I should have thought of that one myself ;) |
| 20:59.42 | fishhead | even where you live |
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| 20:59.42 | stew | mike__: you might try uhci i have some devices that are happier that way |
| 20:59.47 | CoolCubix | stew, good ! it works ! thanks again :) |
| 20:59.53 | fishhead | you shoudl be able to find ata33, ata66, controller cards cheap now |
| 21:00.00 | stew | CoolCubix: you're welcome |
| 21:00.00 | fishhead | surplus or used |
| 21:00.04 | mne_ | markybob, maybe I can throw out a disk ;) thank you. |
| 21:00.17 | knvinh | in Windows, I can use 'net send <ip>' to send message, but in Linux, I can't use 'smbclient -M 172.16.37.98' --> 'session request failed'. Any idea? |
| 21:00.36 | mne_ | fishhead, seems like even the ata133 cards are really cheap round here |
| 21:00.42 | Spudchat | is that why copying from one ide drive to another on the same cable is so slow? |
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| 21:01.09 | markybob | Spudchat, that's why doing anything with multiple drives on the same cable is slow |
| 21:01.11 | \\Neo | !alsa-checklist |
| 21:01.12 | dpkg | from memory, alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf 2) add your user to the audio group 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
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| 21:01.33 | Spudchat | ok thanks, thought that i messed up on something somewhere, been copying 3 gigs for about 20 minutes |
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| 21:02.03 | markybob | Spudchat, you messed up when you put multiple drives on the same cable ;) |
| 21:02.05 | Wargh | Has anyone else been having trouble with apt or is it just me? |
| 21:02.23 | markybob | !ask |
| 21:02.23 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 21:03.10 | Spudchat | markybob: lol |
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| 21:03.28 | hjubal | hi |
| 21:03.28 | slinn | how do i gzip a file and keep the original file as well? |
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| 21:03.56 | dom | slinn: gzip - < uncompressedfile > compressedfile |
| 21:04.02 | stew | slinn: zcat < infile > outfile.gz |
| 21:04.18 | braeuni | hi |
| 21:04.22 | braeuni | got a question |
| 21:04.26 | braeuni | simply ask? :) |
| 21:04.28 | slinn | with the <'s? |
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| 21:04.42 | markybob | slinn, redirecting. go read bash faq |
| 21:04.43 | stew | slinn: actually nm, mine is for uncompressing |
| 21:04.44 | abrotman | braeuni: prepare your question wiht thought! |
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| 21:04.52 | braeuni | keta, i try |
| 21:05.01 | Wargh | Just me then? |
| 21:05.12 | jair | Maulkin, ok so you mean subscribe myself to the announce list and what about the update or url?? |
| 21:05.18 | markybob | Wargh, yes, if you're not gonna ask a real question, then yes. just you. |
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| 21:05.43 | jair | Maulkin, which one is the URL for the updates? |
| 21:05.49 | braeuni | want to to a simple .pl script for xmms |
| 21:05.54 | dom | slinn: yes, with the gators. like markybob says, it's in the bash docs |
| 21:05.57 | stew | jair: /msg dpkg testing security |
| 21:06.12 | jair | Maulkin, and if you can send me the url where I can subscribe to the announce list. |
| 21:06.15 | Wargh | Sorry. My apt-get times out all the time. I can't install anything. It's probably my router, so I'll go give it a kick. I was just wondering if it could be the server, in which case I'd expect people to know about it |
| 21:06.20 | braeuni | but i don't know what perl of the list ind synaptic i need exactly to da |
| 21:06.26 | jair | stew, ohh I have that one already :) |
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| 21:06.50 | Quibus | hi |
| 21:06.59 | markybob | Wargh, there are a ton of debian mirrors. you might wanna try another if you're having problems with your current one |
| 21:06.59 | Quibus | What NTP should I install to get it working under GNOME? |
| 21:07.04 | jair | stew, where can I subscribe to the announce list? |
| 21:07.22 | Quibus | date/time applet complains that NTP is not installed |
| 21:07.29 | cat | how can I restore the original smb.conf ? |
| 21:07.41 | stew | jair: http://lists.debian.org/secure-testing-announce |
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| 21:08.01 | markybob | cat, --purge and install again |
| 21:08.08 | jair | stew, thanks |
| 21:08.20 | markybob | abrotman, he didnt take your advice. that stinks. |
| 21:08.26 | abrotman | hehe |
| 21:08.36 | abrotman | braeuni: did you think to ask #xmms ? |
| 21:08.52 | braeuni | let me think :).... |
| 21:08.55 | braeuni | k |
| 21:08.57 | braeuni | retry |
| 21:09.04 | Wargh | Where can I find more debian mirrors to put in my source.list then? |
| 21:09.15 | markybob | Wargh, http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 21:09.23 | braeuni | xchat script for xmms title etc |
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| 21:09.59 | braeuni | if i want to load -> Error loading xyz.pl |
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| 21:10.33 | markybob | braeuni, are you a native english speaker? |
| 21:10.51 | braeuni | no? :) |
| 21:11.03 | markybob | braeuni, which language is your native tongue? |
| 21:11.08 | braeuni | german |
| 21:11.18 | markybob | !german |
| 21:11.18 | dpkg | methinks german is #debian.de - deutschsprachige Debian-Hilfe gibt es in #debian.de |
| 21:11.30 | markybob | might be better help there. :) #debian.de |
| 21:11.34 | braeuni | omg |
| 21:11.37 | braeuni | thx ^^ |
| 21:11.46 | braeuni | join #debian.de |
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| 21:12.28 | Ronin | mirkforce: there arent enough already? |
| 21:12.39 | \\Neo | !alsa-checklist |
| 21:12.39 | dpkg | rumour has it, alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf 2) add your user to the audio group 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
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| 21:12.49 | tillo | right, I have one... don't need one more |
| 21:12.51 | stew | \\Neo: you can /msg the bot |
| 21:13.07 | tillo | ty anyway |
| 21:13.31 | abrotman | \\Neo: still no sound? |
| 21:13.36 | abrotman | \\Neo: does sound work for root ? |
| 21:14.05 | mirkforce | tillo u have web page for company ? |
| 21:14.40 | tillo | what do you think? |
| 21:14.45 | tillo | anyway you are OT here |
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| 21:15.24 | pingouin | j #ffmpeg |
| 21:15.28 | pingouin | damn |
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| 21:16.13 | Fluten | when i did apt-get install mozilla, flash also got installed. i go to about:plugins and it says flash uses libflashplayer.so. how can i find this file so i can delete it? |
| 21:16.24 | Fluten | i did locate libflashplayer.so, and it finds nothing |
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| 21:16.35 | itrebal | #debian-laptop |
| 21:16.44 | \\Neo | it works now :) |
| 21:16.46 | \\Neo | thx all |
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| 21:17.10 | \\Neo | reinstalled ran alsaconf and alsamixer |
| 21:17.17 | \\Neo | and here is the sound :) |
| 21:17.20 | weasel00 | what is a good channel for discussing software like oscommerce? |
| 21:17.43 | tillo | Fluten: dpkg -L <flash package you saw installing> |
| 21:17.47 | curt | weasel00, you have a problem? |
| 21:17.52 | itrebal | i just installed ebian on a laptop... and its giving me lots and lots of error messages, including a seg fault, i'm not sure what though... look slike 'modprobe' and then a kernel panic occurred, as well as /dev/console not existing... any ideas? |
| 21:17.52 | markybob | uh. maybe #oscommerce ?? |
| 21:18.20 | weasel00 | curt : no im curious about looking at different options to fullfil that component on my server |
| 21:18.25 | tillo | itrebal: alcool |
| 21:18.31 | itrebal | tillo: hm? |
| 21:18.33 | markybob | weasel00, #oscommerce |
| 21:18.41 | Wargh | It was my stupid firewall |
| 21:18.42 | menko | Fluten: if it's newly installed you need to updatedb to locate |
| 21:19.05 | Wargh | Thanks for all the help anyway markybob |
| 21:19.12 | markybob | Wargh, np |
| 21:19.14 | \\Neo | which package do i need to install to compile ndiswrapper? |
| 21:19.20 | \\Neo | something like kernel-devel |
| 21:19.23 | \\Neo | but cant find it |
| 21:19.27 | weasel00 | marykybob : are there any other options besides using oscommerce? |
| 21:19.29 | tillo | itrebal: were you drunk while installing? ok not funny, check RAM with memtest86+ and check /dev integrity as well |
| 21:19.38 | stew | \\Neo: /msg dpkg ndiswrapper |
| 21:19.39 | markybob | \\Neo, linux-hearders-`uname -r` is probably what you mean |
| 21:19.48 | markybob | headers, not hearders |
| 21:19.53 | \\Neo | okie thx |
| 21:19.59 | stew | \\Neo: err /msg dpkg ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 21:20.04 | weasel00 | markybob : is oscommerce the better option? |
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| 21:20.13 | curt | weasel00, there are lot's, oscommerce is open source / free |
| 21:20.21 | markybob | weasel00, i honestly wouldnt know. |
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| 21:20.23 | itrebal | tillo: we just had windows installed on it, so the ram should be ok |
| 21:20.38 | weasel00 | curt : have you used it? if so what did/do you think of it? |
| 21:20.45 | tillo | that mean nothing |
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| 21:20.55 | itrebal | tillo: ok |
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| 21:21.27 | nicolas_1 | !xcompmgr |
| 21:21.37 | itrebal | tillo: is there a way to boot to a mem-test? |
| 21:21.55 | curt | weasel00, yes I use it. it works fine for about 35 sites on my server. |
| 21:21.59 | abrotman | \\Neo: please try another reboot .. some people seem to have an issue where after a reboot .. sound is gone again |
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| 21:22.32 | weasel00 | curt : thank you curt. that was what i wanting to hear =) just wanted some reassurance =D |
| 21:23.13 | curt | weasel00, don't trust me :) go check it out for yourself.. |
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| 21:23.22 | markybob | itrebal, yes |
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| 21:23.39 | markybob | itrebal, there are examples of how to do that with grub and lilo in /usr/share/doc/memtest86 |
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| 21:24.00 | tillo | itrebal: sure, install package or make a [mini]cdrom |
| 21:24.05 | isleshocky71 | hello to the room |
| 21:24.10 | weasel00 | curt : i did about a year ago.. then tabled the idea i was working on. with myall the time since i quit my job i picked it back up again and was looking curious about it |
| 21:24.20 | tillo | itrebal: package does grup config automatically |
| 21:24.25 | tillo | s/grup/grub/ |
| 21:24.29 | isleshocky71 | ok.. I just got a new debian box. I have everything setup the way I want now it's just moving the files from the old one to the new. |
| 21:24.40 | itrebal | tillo: ...what? |
| 21:24.53 | bartekt80 | hello to everybody |
| 21:24.58 | thefish_ | sup |
| 21:25.05 | isleshocky71 | I mounted /home/vpopmail/ from the old box to the new one so I can copy all the mail for all the domains. But on the new box it won't let me copy even as root |
| 21:25.12 | tillo | itrebal: if you install memtest86+ package grub is configured automatically to boot on it as last choice |
| 21:25.24 | isleshocky71 | On the old box I have the exports saying no_squash_root. But still no luck.. Any ideas? |
| 21:25.26 | itrebal | tillo: i dont have memtest, i cant install memtest on it |
| 21:25.29 | tillo | itrebal: sorry if my english is a little scary |
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| 21:25.37 | itrebal | tillo: just that one sentance :) |
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| 21:26.07 | curt | weasel00, if they only ported it to pgsql it would be perfect. (one of these days I might do just that) |
| 21:26.09 | tillo | itrebal: =) if you don't have memtest you have debian, and the package is on the repository |
| 21:26.24 | itrebal | tillo: however it wont boot to it for me to get it |
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| 21:26.52 | tillo | itrebal: so look for it on web and burn a bootable cdrom |
| 21:26.55 | Hessophanes | isleshocky71: That should be "no_root_squash", not "no_squash_root". |
| 21:27.05 | isleshocky71 | yeah.. that's what I mean. |
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| 21:27.17 | Hessophanes | Ah ok. :) |
| 21:27.20 | aNaPHaZe | hello |
| 21:27.27 | pbang | hello |
| 21:27.34 | aNaPHaZe | how's everyone doing? |
| 21:27.38 | Hessophanes | Thought you might have made a typo in the exports config. |
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| 21:28.04 | isleshocky71 | no, I have that right. |
| 21:28.07 | aNaPHaZe | anyone feel like taking a few minutes to help a linux newbie (me) |
| 21:28.29 | pbang | got a new psp so now my sleep pattern's gone all to hell because I can play starwars and watch tv under my covers. The girlfriend's pissed nd I'm tired. |
| 21:28.34 | stew | aNaPHaZe: if you have a real question, just ask it |
| 21:28.37 | Hessophanes | Any more options on that exports line? |
| 21:28.42 | kronoz | aNaPHaZe: just ask your question |
| 21:28.52 | tillo | aNaPHaZe: think about writing the question without asking permission to ask it |
| 21:28.55 | markybob | pbang, you have a psp *and* a girlfriend? how'd that happen? |
| 21:29.02 | itrebal | lol |
| 21:29.24 | pbang | markybob: It's only temporary because I _just_ got the psp |
| 21:29.25 | tillo | pbang: scary |
| 21:29.33 | tillo | pbang: last month? |
| 21:29.42 | aNaPHaZe | i installed manual package install of debian .. how do i download and install new packages from my linux box? |
| 21:29.47 | pbang | tillo: this week |
| 21:29.51 | tillo | "don't remember, playing all the time..." |
| 21:30.06 | weasel00 | pbang : she can sleep over here if needs to rest =) |
| 21:30.17 | bartekt80 | can anyone tell what to do to have a music after reboot a system, i have sarge and alsa. i can play music when i install alsa but afetr reboot i can't hear anything. I've also changed /etc/defaults/alsa on always autosave but it has no resaults. |
| 21:30.21 | Hessophanes | isleshocky71: What is the full list of options you have in your /etc/exports for that entry? |
| 21:30.52 | isleshocky71 | "/home sowebdesigns2.no-ip.info(no_root_squash,rw) debian2(no_root_squash,rw,nohide) |
| 21:30.56 | pbang | weasel00: the psp, or my girlfriend? |
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| 21:31.10 | weasel00 | pbang : either actually =) |
| 21:31.11 | curt | !tell aNaPHaZe -about apt howto |
| 21:31.17 | pbang | haha |
| 21:31.23 | isleshocky71 | the part that matters: "/home debian2(no_root_squash,rw,nohide) |
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| 21:32.23 | m4lu6 | ok, so getting oracle client to play nice on a debian box? not worth it. ahghag |
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| 21:33.05 | phaedral | okay, i officially want the moon; is there a cli app that will let me do AIM and or YahooMessenger? |
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| 21:33.17 | greench | hello :) |
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| 21:33.28 | markybob | phaedral, pork |
| 21:33.35 | phaedral | markybob: rockin'; thanks |
| 21:33.44 | Ronin | phaedral: gaim as well |
| 21:33.54 | phaedral | Ronin: gaim is gui |
| 21:34.06 | curt | m4lu6, I don't know anything about oracle but there is a 10g guide /msg dpkg oracle |
| 21:34.07 | greench | how can i bring up eth0 by dhcp |
| 21:34.08 | phaedral | it does the trick, but i wan't a cli app... |
| 21:34.09 | Ronin | oops missed the cli part of the question |
| 21:34.11 | isleshocky71 | I reall just need to copy the domains folder. The permissions on the old folder looking through the mnt of the new box are: |
| 21:34.17 | phaedral | Ronin: no worries |
| 21:34.18 | phaedral | :) |
| 21:34.20 | itrebal | greench: ifconfig eth0 up? |
| 21:34.20 | isleshocky71 | drwx------ 8 1016 1011 4096 2006-03-22 03:42 domains |
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| 21:34.23 | Ronin | its an age thing |
| 21:34.26 | markybob | phaedral, yes, you want pork. http://ojnk.sourceforge.net/ |
| 21:34.39 | m4lu6 | curt: yeah. read it. |
| 21:34.39 | phaedral | markybob: just about to apt-get... |
| 21:34.41 | stew | phaedral: do you really need cli or is text based / ncurses ok? |
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| 21:34.58 | greench | with dhcp? |
| 21:35.32 | phaedral | stew: ya caught me; the latter will suffice, I reckon, like irssi-text |
| 21:35.35 | Hessophanes | isleshocky71: Hmm, strange... |
| 21:35.46 | stew | phaedral: then you want to connect to bitlbee with irssi |
| 21:36.00 | phaedral | ah. that sounds like a clue to follow |
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| 21:36.09 | isleshocky71 | The numbers I'm guessing is because the user and group are different on the new box.. but still as root shouldn't I be able to do as I please with the folder? |
| 21:36.34 | stew | phaedral: bitlbee is a irc->aim/msn/yahoo gateway that will run an irc server on your machine that you can connect to with irssi as if it were a regular irc server |
| 21:36.38 | Hessophanes | isleshocky71: Yes, with no_root_squash that operation should be no problem, even with those ids and permission bits. |
| 21:36.47 | weasel00 | curt : last question, =), is there anything obvious that i should be aware of when setting oscommerce up thats not well documented already? |
| 21:36.52 | isleshocky71 | cp -r /mnt/System1/home/vpopmail/domains/* /var/lib/vpopmail/domains/* |
| 21:36.56 | phaedral | just installed, will read man page; thanks for the great lead |
| 21:37.02 | isleshocky71 | cp: cannot stat `/mnt/System1/home/vpopmail/domains/*': Permission denied |
| 21:37.24 | phaedral | did someone once tell me not to use man while root? if so, why? |
| 21:37.37 | curt | weasel00, if your using it and you have a decent programming/php knowledge it easy. not really for your grandma. |
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| 21:38.06 | weasel00 | curt : ok no worries then =) |
| 21:38.45 | phaedral | weasel00: that's *really* old |
| 21:39.10 | weasel00 | phaedral : im not as young as i used to be.. ill be the first to admit it ;) |
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| 21:39.32 | phaedral | life happens, then you cease metabolic functioning |
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| 21:39.42 | js_ | is there a tool i can use to graph the amount of bandwidth transfered? not only speed like mrtg does |
| 21:40.05 | Hessophanes | isleshocky71: Just to check - 'exportfs -v' shows the filesystem and the options you want? |
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| 21:40.17 | Hessophanes | (on the old box) |
| 21:40.28 | ma3x | @find mp4box |
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| 21:40.52 | isleshocky71 | Run on the client or the server? |
| 21:41.02 | ma3x | where can I get mp4box? |
| 21:41.09 | Hessophanes | isleshocky71: On the server. |
| 21:41.10 | ma3x | - as package |
| 21:41.40 | isleshocky71 | ah.. it doesn't show the same as the file.. do I have to restart something? |
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| 21:41.56 | isleshocky71 | home debian2(rw,wdelay,nohide,root_squash) |
| 21:41.57 | Hessophanes | isleshocky71: If you didn't after your last changes to /etc/exports... /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server restart |
| 21:42.01 | goron | What package provides lXaw3d? I installed xaw3dg-dev |
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| 21:42.28 | Hessophanes | isleshocky71: (and check exportfs -v again after you did) |
| 21:42.36 | goron | Hmm, I had the correct one. |
| 21:42.47 | goron | Must be a bug in the software locator. |
| 21:42.52 | \\Neo | yo i downloaded ndiswrapper-1.10. it compiled fine, installation worked and i said "ndiswrapper -m" to add the module |
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| 21:43.12 | Aronofsky | hi , id like to have advice , is it goof to get 2.6 kernel from apt or should I better compile it myself ? |
| 21:43.15 | \\Neo | but when i say ifup wlan0 it says "Ignoring unknown interface wlan0=wlan0." |
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| 21:43.42 | \\Neo | dmesg | grep ndiswrapper returns nothing :( |
| 21:44.06 | \\Neo | i can modprobe it |
| 21:44.12 | \\Neo | but how do i get to start by default? |
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| 21:44.22 | isleshocky71 | yes.. thanks for all the help.. that did the trick. |
| 21:44.33 | Aronofsky | hi , id like to have advice , is it goof to get 2.6 kernel from apt or should I better compile it myself ? |
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| 21:44.41 | Hessophanes | isleshocky71: You're welcome. :) |
| 21:44.45 | isleshocky71 | I was up 3 hours until 5:00 in the morning trying to figure that out. I knew my exports was right. |
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| 21:44.57 | grib | Has anybody run into evolution 2.4.2.1-1 suddenly not working as of the last few days? |
| 21:44.59 | isleshocky71 | I swear I even tried a full system restart.. shouldn't that have done the tirck? |
| 21:45.07 | Faust | Hello! Can anyone tell me the difference between the packages libmysqlclient15 and libmysqlclient15off please? |
| 21:45.09 | ifvoid | Aronofsky: depends on what you like |
| 21:45.19 | Hessophanes | isleshocky71: It should... |
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| 21:45.28 | ifvoid | Aronofsky: nothing wrong with either one of the options |
| 21:45.32 | isleshocky71 | Maybe I only did the client. Anyways. thank you. |
| 21:45.47 | grendal_prime | anyone every converted there quicken files to gnucash? |
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| 21:46.38 | Aronofsky | ifvoid, what do you mean depends on what you like ? |
| 21:46.42 | curt | anyone, a long time ago |
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| 21:46.53 | FinnTux | anyone know a tool to simulate network errors on interface? |
| 21:46.58 | ifvoid | Aronofsky: well, if you liek to build your own kernel, by all means, go for it |
| 21:47.04 | roler | does anyone here use a 256MB ATI MOBILITYTM RADEON x1400 with HyperMemory card in their laptop? |
| 21:47.17 | ifvoid | roler: x1x00 are not supported yet |
| 21:47.24 | curt | !anyone |
| 21:47.24 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 21:47.33 | Aronofsky | ifvoid, what are the bad side of getting it from apt ? |
| 21:47.57 | ifvoid | Aronofsky: well, nothing really, except that you have more control over your kernel if you compile it by hand |
| 21:48.00 | grendal_prime | ok...i need to take my quicken files and import them into guncash is that possible? |
| 21:48.12 | ifvoid | you might want to apply some other patches, for example |
| 21:48.31 | scenestar | woah |
| 21:48.49 | FinnTux | well curt, do you know where to find info on such a thing? google came out pretty empty |
| 21:48.50 | roler | ifvoid; Crud!!! I just ordered a laptop with that card |
| 21:48.52 | scenestar | just noted how much better the etch install is compared to sarge, it has everything jsut on cd |
| 21:48.54 | Hessophanes | Faust: Mysql Upstream has changed the way they're building the shared library, so Debian is undertaking a library transition - see here: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/03/msg00576.html |
| 21:49.04 | roler | ifvoid; do you know of any sites that show development status on that? |
| 21:49.12 | ifvoid | roler: well, complain at ati |
| 21:49.12 | curt | grendal_prime, it's been a while, but I am sure gnucash supports importing quicken files. |
| 21:49.18 | ifvoid | roler: no, only ati themselves |
| 21:49.20 | fugit | grendal_prime: http://www.gnucash.org/en/features_5.phtml also check out gnucash site |
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| 21:49.33 | ifvoid | roler: and of course normal vesa _might_ works |
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| 21:49.58 | ifvoid | roler: you most certainly won'y have any 3d acceeration |
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| 21:50.33 | Aronofsky | ifvoid, ok thx , by the way what is the package : kernel-image-2.6-386 , right ? |
| 21:50.46 | scenestar | for what? |
| 21:50.46 | Faust | Hessophanes: thanks! |
| 21:51.14 | ifvoid | Aronofsky: one of the kernel-image-*, yeah |
| 21:51.52 | Faust | Hessophanes: so I'll read this thread now... :-) |
| 21:52.44 | roler | ifvoid; oh boy this blows!! Do you know if the Intel Media Graphics Acceleartor 950 is supported? |
| 21:52.47 | Hessophanes | Faust: It's rather short. :-) |
| 21:52.49 | roler | ifvoid; where are you getting this info from? |
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| 21:53.05 | ifvoid | roler: Ati's release notes for their linux driver |
| 21:53.20 | ifvoid | roler: not sure about the intel thing |
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| 21:53.41 | ifvoid | roler: what is it supposed to do, exactly? mpeg2 decoding or so? |
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| 21:54.20 | kbouss | salut |
| 21:54.33 | kbouss | ya kelkun |
| 21:54.42 | kbouss | je suis francais |
| 21:54.42 | cat | !tell kbouss about fr |
| 21:54.45 | kbouss | french |
| 21:54.49 | roler | ifvoid; it's just a built in intel graphics card |
| 21:54.59 | roler | ifvoid; i opted for the more expensive ati one hoping it would be more supported |
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| 21:55.03 | kbouss | yes good tell me french |
| 21:55.05 | entuall | kbouss, salut |
| 21:55.12 | thingfish | !fr |
| 21:55.12 | cat | kbouss: join #debian-fr |
| 21:55.13 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais mais peu ou pas anglais et qui ont besoin d'aide avec Debian peuvent demander sur #debian-fr. People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 21:55.16 | kbouss | salut entuall |
| 21:55.22 | ifvoid | roler: oh, normal intel i900 seres works perfectly |
| 21:55.27 | ifvoid | roler: I have that in my laptop |
| 21:55.31 | cat | thingfish: used the !tell |
| 21:55.41 | entuall | kbouss, not french here |
| 21:55.49 | roler | ifvoid; I just found a site saying the 950 is supported |
| 21:55.54 | kbouss | thanks |
| 21:56.01 | ifvoid | roler: uh well, you should have checked in advance, I guess ;) |
| 21:56.05 | kbouss | yu are very nice |
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| 21:56.18 | roler | ifvoid; I will call and change my order now, it hasn't been built yet |
| 21:56.18 | ifvoid | roler: intel is doing very well with regard to open specs and such |
| 21:56.27 | kbouss | are you english |
| 21:56.35 | kbouss | or americain |
| 21:56.51 | roler | ifvoid; I don't care about games... This is a production laptop |
| 21:56.55 | Kinks | yay for X randomly deciding it can't run in 1152x864 |
| 21:56.55 | cat | !lart kbouss |
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| 21:57.31 | kbouss | is there someone speak with me in privacy please to perform my english language |
| 21:57.33 | ifvoid | roler: sure, but yoy probably still want a card that is well supported |
| 21:57.49 | ifvoid | Kinks: just enter a modeline manually |
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| 21:57.55 | kbouss | hello cat |
| 21:58.05 | ifvoid | Kinks: X thinks it's smarter than the user something |
| 21:58.08 | ifvoid | Kinks: just override it |
| 21:58.13 | roler | ifvoid; it will save me $100 too |
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| 21:58.21 | kbouss | what is the french word for lart |
| 21:58.30 | ifvoid | Kinks: use videogen to calculate you custom moelines |
| 21:58.34 | ifvoid | roler: nice |
| 21:58.47 | ifvoid | roler: are you sure the rest of your hardware is supported? |
| 21:58.58 | thingfish | I think lart is the same in all languages. |
| 21:59.02 | roler | ifvoid; I think so... It's all intel |
| 21:59.07 | ifvoid | ah, nice |
| 21:59.07 | Kinks | hm okay, thanks =o |
| 21:59.21 | ifvoid | roler: make sure you don't get a broadcom wifi card |
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| 21:59.33 | roler | ifvoid; if not, I guess i'll using windows for a while :) |
| 21:59.34 | erhanr | hi everyone |
| 21:59.46 | roler | ifvoid; they had an option for a Dell Wireless card, or a Intel wireless card. I got the intel |
| 22:00.00 | ifvoid | yeah, the intel one is perfectly supported |
| 22:00.14 | roler | woot |
| 22:00.15 | stew | perfect except for the binary firmware blob |
| 22:00.19 | stew | but yeah |
| 22:00.43 | phaedral | will apt-get install kde by default remove gnome? |
| 22:00.53 | stew | phaedral: no |
| 22:00.58 | phaedral | stew: thanks |
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| 22:01.40 | roler | stew; but it does work? |
| 22:01.50 | \\Neo | how can i say debian that it should forget eth0 and use internet via wlan0 ? |
| 22:02.11 | \\Neo | i disabled eth0 with ifdown |
| 22:02.15 | phaedral | \\Neo: ifdown eth0; ifup wlan0 |
| 22:02.20 | \\Neo | ye i did that |
| 22:02.24 | \\Neo | but doesnt work |
| 22:02.28 | phaedral | and ifup wlan0? |
| 22:02.32 | \\Neo | that works |
| 22:02.38 | chops | Is there a userspace daemon that will stop or swap out processes to try to control load on a swapping system? |
| 22:02.40 | \\Neo | wpa_supplicant is connected too |
| 22:03.04 | grendal_prime | i need to grant read permissions on the /home dir to a spcific user...everything in those folders...i tried creating a user group called backup and then added my user to that group, but it seems to still miss a few files when i rsync the files |
| 22:03.08 | phaedral | so you're good now, or still a problem there? |
| 22:03.22 | \\Neo | yeah |
| 22:03.26 | phaedral | cool |
| 22:03.28 | \\Neo | when i say ifdown eth0 |
| 22:03.41 | \\Neo | i havent got internet access |
| 22:03.43 | \\Neo | or any net access |
| 22:03.48 | phaedral | heh, that is a problem |
| 22:03.52 | \\Neo | although wlan0 is up and running |
| 22:04.08 | \\Neo | it is indeed :) |
| 22:04.08 | phaedral | ah; bring them both down; ifconfig to make sure they're both down |
| 22:04.10 | grendal_prime | i dont want to use root for that im assuming. the user has a passwordless login configured and working...its just it seems there are some files when used by the other uses the permissions get all whacked |
| 22:04.13 | phaedral | THEN ifup wlan0 |
| 22:04.15 | scenestar | \\Neo, do dhclient |
| 22:04.19 | scenestar | see if it works |
| 22:04.22 | phaedral | that's what I had to do this morning |
| 22:04.22 | \\Neo | i gave a static ip |
| 22:04.28 | \\Neo | ok i try phaedral |
| 22:04.33 | \\Neo | brb :) |
| 22:04.42 | phaedral | luck to you |
| 22:04.51 | entuall | kbouss, what do you want ? pv ? |
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| 22:05.40 | phaedral | no kde today; can't deal with that big a download this late in my day |
| 22:05.44 | phaedral | t'morra |
| 22:05.48 | grendal_prime | rsync: send_files failed to open "/home/Laura/this is a test document.txt": Permission denied (13) |
| 22:05.57 | grendal_prime | that sort of error |
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| 22:06.14 | settd | what does Redirect Host(New nexthop during ping means? |
| 22:06.18 | scenestar | well in that case set it to have proper prividleges |
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| 22:06.37 | stew | grendal_prime: you intend to have *every* file under /home/* to have the same group owner? that doesn't sound feasible |
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| 22:06.51 | Blissex | grendal_prime: side note: if "Laura" is a login name thats a bad idea. |
| 22:06.52 | grendal_prime | umm no. |
| 22:07.22 | grendal_prime | Blissex, well sort of had to do that the box was a drop in replacement for a novel netware server |
| 22:07.23 | Blissex | stew: thats actually sort of feasible... |
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| 22:07.40 | stew | Blissex: it is? how would you enforce such a thing? |
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| 22:08.09 | grendal_prime | what i need is a user that has read writes to all the files in the /home dir, now..how ever that is normally done is fine with me..i just cant seem to figure it out.. |
| 22:08.13 | stew | Blissex: you have to force a umask and a default group on your users and not let them user the chgrp command? |
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| 22:08.22 | grendal_prime | sorry read privilages |
| 22:08.27 | Liquid_Ic | Hi, I am running debian sarge. I installed apache2 php4 php4-curl libcurl and curl. I edited php.ini extentins section for curl.so however when i restart apache and do phpinfo() no curl. any ideas? |
| 22:08.29 | Blissex | stew: ''enforce'' is not quite right, but ''default'' is easy. |
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| 22:09.08 | Blissex | stew: set the gid bit in the containing directory means all files created in that directory will have same group as the directory. |
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| 22:09.21 | Blissex | stew: then the user if they want can change groups. |
| 22:09.25 | grendal_prime | did you install the libcurl for php packages? |
| 22:09.32 | Liquid_Ic | php4-curl |
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| 22:09.38 | grendal_prime | sorry missed that part |
| 22:09.38 | Liquid_Ic | is that the only one? |
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| 22:09.42 | roler | is there a website that lists laptops and linux support??? |
| 22:09.43 | aNaPHaZe | i'm logged into root.. how do i open my sources.list file so i can add/change it |
| 22:09.45 | \\Neoo | weird weird |
| 22:09.46 | grendal_prime | hmm not sure let me check |
| 22:09.49 | Liquid_Ic | is there another respository i need to add to apt to get the right packages? |
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| 22:09.59 | abrotman | Liquid_Ic: wait .. how many PHPs do you ahve installed? .. like libapache-mod-php4 and php4-cgi etc ? |
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| 22:10.15 | \\Neoo | now wpa_supplicant wont associate with my access point anymore after i "exited" it with killall |
| 22:10.16 | fugit | roler: linux-laptop.net use google to find more |
| 22:10.19 | Liquid_Ic | i did not install the cgi version |
| 22:10.25 | stew | Blissex: well a backup system that you cant ensure is working doesn't sound any good to me |
| 22:10.31 | abrotman | Liquid_Ic: in /etc/php/ .. how many directories ? |
| 22:10.42 | \\Neoo | it says "Associate..." and then "couldnt associate" |
| 22:10.45 | frank_farmer | Liquid-Ic: Did you remember to _restart apache_? |
| 22:10.49 | \\Neoo | err timed out |
| 22:10.49 | Liquid_Ic | differnt cpu, let me go check |
| 22:10.54 | Liquid_Ic | yes restarted apache several times |
| 22:10.57 | frank_farmer | Oh |
| 22:10.58 | frank_farmer | yeah, |
| 22:11.02 | frank_farmer | I read slow. |
| 22:11.05 | Blissex | stew: backup systems are usually run by 'root'... |
| 22:11.06 | grendal_prime | you know Liquid_Ic there is a webserver task item in aptitude..i think it puts all that in there |
| 22:11.09 | hg | hallo |
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| 22:11.15 | stew | Blissex: yes |
| 22:11.33 | stew | Blissex: or they are in the disk group and work off the block devices |
| 22:11.40 | grendal_prime | ok stew..is what im doing impossible? i find that odd |
| 22:11.52 | Blissex | stew: anyhow it can also be done with ACLs. or with SELinux :-) |
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| 22:12.03 | stew | Blissex: if you know a well tell grendal_prime |
| 22:12.10 | stew | ^well^way |
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| 22:12.23 | Blissex | grendal_prime: and what do you want to do actually? |
| 22:12.42 | grendal_prime | backkup the /home dir to an offsite server with rsync |
| 22:12.46 | grendal_prime | through ssh |
| 22:13.01 | stew | Blissex: he wants all files in /home to be readable by a non-root user |
| 22:13.07 | grendal_prime | i do it with a specific user when the user is the owner of the files... |
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| 22:13.30 | aNaPHaZe | i'm reading that help file that was shown to me.. and it is telling me to do something i don't know how to do |
| 22:13.41 | aNaPHaZe | how do i open my sources.list file so i can add to it |
| 22:13.45 | grendal_prime | help for the help? |
| 22:13.53 | Blissex | grendal_prime: what does this mean? «i do it with a specific user when the user is the owner of the files...» |
| 22:13.59 | grendal_prime | nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:14.02 | Liquid_Ic | and i am editing the correct php.ini file |
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| 22:14.47 | Liquid_Ic | abrotman, /etc/php doe snot exist |
| 22:14.50 | saptah | hi. |
| 22:14.50 | thingfish | aNaPHaZe: you'll need to open a terminal and su to root, then do what grendal_prime wrote above. |
| 22:14.53 | curt | grendal_prime, why can't you snyc them as root preserving the current user/perm |
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| 22:15.14 | aNaPHaZe | i'm on root |
| 22:15.29 | aNaPHaZe | just didn't know about nano .. sorry if i'm asking stupid questions.. .. i'm uber n00b at linux |
| 22:15.37 | Liquid_Ic | i can run curl from the command ine fine, only from php |
| 22:15.43 | Liquid_Ic | so it's gotta be the php extetnion |
| 22:15.54 | stew | aNaPHaZe: if you are an "uber n00b" then nano is probably going to be the easiest editor to start with |
| 22:15.59 | phobo | How do I change top's view to show idle for both two CPUs indivudually? (etch with Pentium 3ghz dual core) |
| 22:16.04 | curt | or pico |
| 22:16.06 | grendal_prime | ok, i have a passwordless login configured joe. i run a cron job that runs an rsync script to rsync all of joes files to joes dir on another machine out on the internet through ssh |
| 22:16.09 | stew | phobo: hit "1" |
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| 22:16.15 | Liquid_Ic | is libcurl3 old? |
| 22:16.16 | saptah | Somebody knows if its posible to asign a hex code to a key?? thx. |
| 22:16.21 | sonyman | if he tries vi I bet he won't even know the proper way to exit the program :) |
| 22:16.25 | stew | curt: pico is non-free, and therefore not in debian |
| 22:16.33 | phobo | stew: cheers |
| 22:16.34 | grendal_prime | curt..is this wise to do this as root? |
| 22:16.47 | curt | stew, i didn't realize that. |
| 22:16.59 | saptah | example: if I press F1 my debian returns to me x0A |
| 22:16.59 | Blissex | grendal_prime: fine, and whats the issue? |
| 22:17.04 | abrotman | Liquid_Ic: /etc/php4/ ? |
| 22:17.05 | grendal_prime | BAD CURT BAD FOR NOT REALIzeing |
| 22:17.06 | grendal_prime | hahaha |
| 22:17.23 | abrotman | curt: pine/pico have a very weird license ... |
| 22:17.29 | grendal_prime | Blissex, i just want to do the entire /home dir at one time if possible |
| 22:17.43 | grendal_prime | instead of setting up a bunch of passwordless logins |
| 22:17.44 | Blissex | grendal_prime: as a non-root-user? |
| 22:17.53 | Liquid_Ic | abrotman /etc/php4/ has apache and apache2 |
| 22:17.57 | stew | grendal_prime: you do it as root then |
| 22:17.57 | curt | abrotman, I shouldn't assume as much as I do sometimes. |
| 22:18.00 | fugit | grendal_prime: I don't think you should be using root account on ssh |
| 22:18.04 | Blissex | grendal_prime: I really don't understand what's the issue. Just doing it all? |
| 22:18.07 | grendal_prime | ok so this is just not possible without doing it as root hu |
| 22:18.10 | stew | fugit: how would you do it then? |
| 22:18.28 | Liquid_Ic | abrotman, and apache2/php.ini is the one i've been editing and the one that shows up in phpinfo() |
| 22:18.41 | abrotman | yay .. sendmail sucks! |
| 22:18.41 | stew | fugit: no other user is guaranteed to be able to backup other user's home directories |
| 22:18.43 | Blissex | grendal_prime: the UNIX protection system is *designed* to prevent a non 'root' user to read other user's files. |
| 22:18.43 | phobo | in bash, how do I look up a previously entered command? e.g. if I typed in "du * -sch" some time ago, rather than press UP arrow 67 times, can I type in "du" and press a "autocomplete" key? |
| 22:18.50 | eeyore- | one word about xgl: *wow* :-) |
| 22:18.53 | abrotman | Liquid_Ic: erm .. ok .. |
| 22:18.58 | ifvoid | phobo: !du<tab> |
| 22:19.00 | abrotman | eeyore-: stop bragging! |
| 22:19.01 | fugit | grendal_prime: you can set the sticky bit on the home dir for backup. If that is not good enough because there are ways aroudn this |
| 22:19.01 | Liquid_Ic | abrotmna, i'm sorry, i'm an idiot |
| 22:19.05 | Liquid_Ic | i mispelled extention |
| 22:19.07 | abrotman | Liquid_Ic: got it ? |
| 22:19.07 | stew | phobo: hit ctrl-r then start typing |
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| 22:19.08 | abrotman | doh! |
| 22:19.12 | eeyore- | abrotman: not bragging :-) |
| 22:19.14 | Liquid_Ic | 2 hours!! |
| 22:19.17 | Liquid_Ic | damn it |
| 22:19.18 | Liquid_Ic | o well |
| 22:19.21 | Liquid_Ic | thanks guys |
| 22:19.25 | grendal_prime | Blissex, i thought it was designed so that system admins could assign privilages to users files that need to be assigned |
| 22:19.26 | abrotman | Liquid_Ic: in sarge .. adding php4 extensions will not change both .. but one |
| 22:19.40 | eeyore- | abrotman: i have wobbly windows, transparency, blah blah :-) i spent the last few minutes just wobbling windows around :-) |
| 22:19.41 | grendal_prime | like for the ummm backup user! |
| 22:19.47 | Blissex | grendal_prime: if your question is ''how can I as a normal user read files to which I have no permission'' the answer is ''we hope there is no way to do that''. |
| 22:19.49 | abrotman | Liquid_Ic: the easy solution is to remove the libapache*-mod-php4 you're not using |
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| 22:20.02 | abrotman | eeyore-: you're like a kid in a whore house |
| 22:20.08 | grendal_prime | well it is untill the server crashes and you have no backups |
| 22:20.14 | abrotman | where's kspath?!?! |
| 22:20.15 | stew | grendal_prime: its designed so that a user can protect his files from other users, except root, this includes protecting his files from the "backup" user |
| 22:20.20 | curt | hehe |
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| 22:20.30 | grendal_prime | abrotman, ya...we discussed that earlyer...etch is SEXY |
| 22:20.31 | Liquid_Ic | abrotman, ok, i;ll give it a try |
| 22:20.48 | eeyore- | abrotman: and the menus --- they are now spring-loaded :-) boing! |
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| 22:21.04 | isleshocky71 | I'm moving mail folders across from an old machine to a new machine. I need to redo the permissions on /var/lib/domains/mydomain.com/user_of_domain/* |
| 22:21.22 | isleshocky71 | I Know all of the files and folders need to be vpopmail:vchkpw |
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| 22:22.23 | grendal_prime | OK..so basically set up a passwordless login for root on to the server where the data is going. |
| 22:22.23 | fugit | grendal_prime: do you have an answer to your question? |
| 22:22.24 | Blissex | grendal_prime: no, that's crazy. |
| 22:22.24 | isleshocky71 | does anyone know what the rest must be as far as folders like cur, new, courier* and if there is any type of script that will do this for me? |
| 22:22.24 | fugit | grendal_prime: NO :-) |
| 22:22.24 | phobo | stew: you're doing very well :P finally, is there a keypress to erase everything to the right of my current cursor position in bash |
| 22:22.24 | stew | grendal_prime: you can, at least, make it such that the passwordless root login only works from your backup server |
| 22:22.25 | stew | phobo: ctrk-k |
| 22:22.33 | roler | sweet |
| 22:22.33 | phobo | nice ;) |
| 22:22.33 | Blissex | grendal_prime: there are _two_ distinct issues here: how to read the files on the original server, and how to write them with the right ownership on the backup server. |
| 22:22.33 | ifvoid | isleshocky71: maildirmake or so |
| 22:22.33 | roler | i just saved $192 off of my order |
| 22:22.43 | grendal_prime | fugit, ? can i help you with something now? or do you wont to wait untell i have my therapists lisc? |
| 22:22.48 | roler | ifvoid; I just canned the ATI card... I'm not too happy about shared video memory, but what are you gonna do? :) |
| 22:22.59 | isleshocky71 | ifvoid, can you elaborate? |
| 22:23.05 | Blissex | roler: which one did you get? |
| 22:23.08 | grendal_prime | stew..ya that was the idea |
| 22:23.11 | fugit | grendal_prime: I'm offering to provide you a solution not help me with my mental issues |
| 22:23.12 | ifvoid | isleshocky71: it's a script that creates maildirs |
| 22:23.15 | roler | Blissex; just an Intel 950 Mobile |
| 22:23.21 | ifvoid | roler: well, just put enough mem in your laptop ;) |
| 22:23.26 | grendal_prime | fugit? ya if you know how...im all ears man |
| 22:23.27 | isleshocky71 | I have all the directories.. I just need them repermissioned.. |
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| 22:23.34 | roler | ifvoid; ya I have a gig. I figure 64meg will be plenty for desktop use |
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| 22:23.38 | Blissex | grendal_prime: in any case unattended RSYNC over SSH backups are usually done with a public/private key file scheme. |
| 22:23.46 | grendal_prime | it just seemed like you were laughing at the fact that im not sure exactly how to do this |
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| 22:23.49 | Blissex | roler: thats not too bad actually. |
| 22:23.53 | ifvoid | roler: yeah, I also have 1G in mij laptop, never notices the 64M |
| 22:23.57 | grendal_prime | Blissex, i have that |
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| 22:24.04 | fugit | grendal_prime: I was just trying to say no that is a bad idea in a nice way |
| 22:24.07 | Blissex | grendal_prime: so what's the problem? |
| 22:24.10 | roler | Blissex; I am coming from an nVidia Go 5200 |
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| 22:24.17 | roler | Blissex; as long as it isn't slower, i'll be fine |
| 22:24.21 | peery_ | help. I'm trying to install rdate on a smp machine. Apt-get seems to want to remove the kernal image and replace it with a single processer image |
| 22:24.24 | stew | grendal_prime: dirvish is a very nice system for managing this on the backup server btw |
| 22:24.25 | grendal_prime | not all the files....get coppied |
| 22:24.26 | Blissex | roler: it may be slower :-( |
| 22:24.39 | roler | Blissex; i only do 2d though |
| 22:24.49 | jair | guys how can I configure on the /etc/networking/interfaces that eth0 have or respond to more than one ip address for example I know is something like this: eth0:0 192.168.1.100 eth0:1 192.168.1.101 |
| 22:24.56 | Liquid_Ic | abrotman, thanks again, i'm up and running! |
| 22:24.56 | Blissex | roler: ahhhh then it does not matter at all -- 2D is pretty fast regardless. |
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| 22:25.16 | hg | dafasdfasdf |
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| 22:25.37 | fugit | grendal_prime: If you need to do this as root to keep all permissions you can use a password protected ssh-key |
| 22:25.51 | stew | jair: yes, just pretend that as well as "eth0" you also have cards named "eth0:1" "eth0:1" etc |
| 22:25.52 | curt | jair zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
| 22:26.02 | ifvoid | peery_: rdate? That's pretty obsolete. |
| 22:26.07 | ifvoid | peery_: why not use ntp? |
| 22:26.23 | grendal_prime | well i didnt mean to stir things up its just that all the help files talke about creating a user specificly for doing this...sooo i tried that...and im running into this issue |
| 22:26.26 | peery_ | ifvoid: to complex to set up... want something I can just run from a script |
| 22:26.28 | eeyore- | ifvoid: portable fragging ... 'nuff said |
| 22:26.29 | fugit | grendal_prime: if you don't need to do it as root, for group perms with read permission and use a non root account to do the backup |
| 22:26.32 | ifvoid | peery_: ntpdate |
| 22:26.55 | Liquid_Ic | One more question. I want to mount an smb share on bootup. I have the commandline smbmount//servername/share /myfolder but it always asks for a password. how can i skip the password step and make this launch automatically on boot? Do i just need to change permissions on. Do i just need to change the permissions of /myfolder ?? |
| 22:26.57 | jair | curt, thank you and stew ;) |
| 22:27.03 | peery_ | ifvoid: oh... didn't know about that one |
| 22:27.22 | grendal_prime | i wannt to keep it as close to the original as possible...one of the options in rsync is to archive with perms and group info intact |
| 22:27.28 | ifvoid | peery_: that's pretty simple to use |
| 22:27.36 | ifvoid | peery_: and ntp-server isn't hard to set up either |
| 22:27.50 | stew | grendal_prime: there are backup system's like amanda that work on the block devices themselves, (like /dev/hda1) and get around this by being in the "disk" group but they don't necessarily understand what is on the disks like working with the filesystem with rsync |
| 22:27.54 | eeyore- | Liquid_Ic: you don't use smbmount directly. you use "mount -t smbfs -o ...." <- it's in the "options" that you should look up |
| 22:27.57 | ifvoid | peery_: (except if you want to do fancy stuff with locate timesources and gps receivers) |
| 22:28.10 | isleshocky71 | What does an S in the perms mean? |
| 22:28.10 | isleshocky71 | drwx--S--- 2 vpopmail vchkpw 4096 Jun 20 2005 new |
| 22:28.14 | peery_ | ifvoid: apt-get is still trying to screw around with my kernel image |
| 22:28.16 | Liquid_Ic | thanks eeyore, i'll give go look |
| 22:28.23 | eeyore- | isleshocky71: setgid, but broken? |
| 22:28.25 | ifvoid | peery_: then it's probably an unrelated problem |
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| 22:28.27 | fugit | grendal_prime: if you want to use the archive mode that requires root perms (as far as I know) |
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| 22:28.33 | ifvoid | peery_: what does it say, exactly? |
| 22:28.36 | isleshocky71 | ?? |
| 22:28.37 | mhall | How do I get the reverse-depends of a library on the CLI/ |
| 22:28.46 | ifvoid | mhall: apt-cache showpkg |
| 22:29.19 | stew | mhall: apt-cache rdepends pkg |
| 22:29.54 | knvinh | anyone here successfully installed NVIDIA driver with kernel 2.6.16 |
| 22:29.56 | grendal_prime | well to back up one more step...rsync does offsite backups (which im sure you know) by keeping isolating differences between files..and only mirroring the changes needed. there for reducing the amount of bandwidth required (ie time) to perform the backup. i need it to backup offsite and im limited on bandwidth |
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| 22:29.59 | peery_ | ifvoid: it saying that I'm running a kernel version 2.6.8-2-686-smp which its trying to remove and replace with kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 and that this is a bad idea |
| 22:30.10 | lsald | !anyone |
| 22:30.10 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 22:30.14 | ifvoid | peery_: yeah, you shouldn't do that |
| 22:30.24 | knvinh | I got the error: /tmp/selfgz9358/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-8178-pkg1/usr/src/nv/os-interface.c:137 |
| 22:30.24 | knvinh | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:30.39 | peery_ | ifvoid: yeah... I figure it would be a bad idea. Only don't know how to get around it |
| 22:30.41 | mhall | knvinh: doesn't work for me either |
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| 22:30.47 | mhall | knvinh: same error |
| 22:30.49 | ifvoid | peery_: have you tries apt-get -f install? |
| 22:31.00 | peery_ | ifvoid: and why it want's what seems like an older kernel |
| 22:31.02 | peery_ | yup |
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| 22:31.27 | eeyore- | isleshocky71: what don't you get about it? |
| 22:31.27 | ifvoid | can you try aptitude -f install? |
| 22:31.36 | knvinh | mhall: perhaps we have to wait for new driver from NVIDIA, or find a patch |
| 22:32.01 | peery_ | ifvoid: sepcifically I'm running: sudo apt-get -f -o "APT::Force-Loopbreak=true" install ntpdate |
| 22:32.09 | mhall | knvinh: yeah i mostly use 2D so i switched back to non-nvidia driver |
| 22:32.14 | mhall | !tell knvinh about nv |
| 22:32.19 | ifvoid | peery_: wh the weird option? |
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| 22:32.29 | Liquid_Ic | eeyore-, i tried mount -t smbfs //ml02/media /ml02 (there is no pass) and it still prompts me for a the local linux root pass. Is this because i'm mounting to the root (/) ? |
| 22:32.42 | peery_ | apt-get complains that I have some loop dependency and to break it I should set that flag |
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| 22:32.56 | knvinh | mhall: I know it |
| 22:32.58 | ifvoid | peery_: hmm |
| 22:33.00 | eeyore- | Liquid_Ic: yep |
| 22:33.07 | CountZ | anyone knows a tool that maps a class C network to machines and virtual interfaces? |
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| 22:33.11 | ifvoid | peery_: sounds like smething wierd went wrng |
| 22:33.15 | CountZ | based on the MAC address |
| 22:33.18 | eeyore- | Liquid_Ic: if you want to have users mount at will, add entry to /etc/fstab with option=user |
| 22:33.32 | eeyore- | Liquid_Ic: or maybe users, don't remember if it's singular or plural |
| 22:33.33 | peery_ | ifvoid: the program that is giving me problems with the loop is e2fsprogs |
| 22:33.36 | ifvoid | peery_: how about aptitude? it's a bit smarter with dependency resolving, usually |
| 22:33.48 | ifvoid | peery_: ah, so try removing that by hand, for now |
| 22:33.50 | peery_ | ifvoid: this is a problem I've seen in the past. Not sure what causes it though |
| 22:33.56 | ifvoid | peery_: dpkg -r e2fsprogs |
| 22:34.07 | stew | ifvoid: ?!? |
| 22:34.09 | eeyore- | Liquid_Ic: example, in /etc/fstab: \\foo\bar /foo smbfs noauto,user 0 0 |
| 22:34.09 | fugit | grendal_prime: here is a good link for what you want http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/rsync.htm |
| 22:34.14 | stew | peery_: /msg dpkg e2fsprogs loop |
| 22:34.17 | Liquid_Ic | eeyore-, the smb mounts do not appear in /etc/fstab... create them? |
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| 22:34.38 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 22:34.43 | ifvoid | stew: ah |
| 22:34.43 | saptah | bye |
| 22:34.51 | peery_ | ifvoid: apparently... that package is an "essential" package. |
| 22:34.53 | ifvoid | stew: didn't know about that |
| 22:35.00 | peery_ | ifvoid: removal not easy :-( |
| 22:35.04 | pusling | is there some way to truncate dmesg-output ? like saying "I will only see new output from NOW" ? |
| 22:35.09 | stew | ifvoid: you really wouldnt' want to remove e2fsprogs, there are some really useful bits in there, like fsck |
| 22:35.11 | ifvoid | peery_: yeah, but you only need it at boot |
| 22:35.18 | ifvoid | peery_: anyway, look at what stew said |
| 22:35.25 | ribnitz | What do i need to do to get usb-plug-and-play (with automounting)? |
| 22:35.38 | uros | how do i do "/sbin/lilo" with grub ?? |
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| 22:35.52 | ifvoid | stew: yeah, but removing it first, letting apt revolve all dependencies, and ten reinsatlling it should work |
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| 22:35.59 | robertj | does the CC share-alike licence meet DFSG definitions for free software? |
| 22:35.59 | stew | uros: update-grub ; but its done automatically if you user apt for managing kernels |
| 22:36.08 | uros | no |
| 22:36.13 | uros | i compiled it |
| 22:36.20 | stew | uros: /msg dpkg kp |
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| 22:36.39 | stew | uros: did you edit menu.lst by hand? |
| 22:36.46 | uros | not yet |
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| 22:37.08 | stew | uros: don't, or if you do, make sure you read the instructions first and don't touch the automagic section |
| 22:37.08 | uros | i think if i do this , i still need to run some grup binaries |
| 22:37.14 | stew | uros: no |
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| 22:37.33 | ifvoid | uros: grub is bloatware and reads the file on boot, or something |
| 22:37.41 | stew | uros: grub reads the menu.lst at boot time, if you just change that file, you don't have to do anything else |
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| 22:37.47 | uros | oke |
| 22:37.49 | uros | thx |
| 22:37.59 | uros | it is a little easier with lilo |
| 22:38.09 | stew | uros: no, its much easier with grub |
| 22:38.18 | ifvoid | haha |
| 22:38.18 | uros | hehe |
| 22:38.19 | ifvoid | sure |
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| 22:38.48 | ifvoid | the first thing I do after installing a debian system |
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| 22:38.54 | ifvoid | is killing grub and installing lilo |
| 22:39.14 | uros | ifvoid, hehe |
| 22:39.14 | ifvoid | well, ok, the _first_ thing is installing vim, of course ;) |
| 22:39.37 | uros | i prefer emacs to vim |
| 22:39.41 | fugit | ifvoid: I happen to like grub my self but I don't think that is a good option for uros ;-) |
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| 22:41.54 | rhalff | hmm just wondering, a lot of open ports, using nmap, and in the state filtered, is that a bad thing ? |
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| 22:43.06 | stew | rhalff: netstat is much more of a reliable tool, /msg dpkg open ports |
| 22:43.07 | fugit | rhalff: In general turn off what you aren't using. Should only be a big issue if you are exposed to the internet |
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| 22:43.20 | isleshocky71 | Is there a way to cat multiple files but have it output the file name before each files so 'cat *' with some option.. |
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| 22:43.33 | isleshocky71 | Or another program to do it. |
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| 22:43.51 | Aronofsky | hi, id like to know what is the command to know what package provide a specific file ? |
| 22:43.59 | azeem | isleshocky71: "for i in *; do echo $i; cat $i; done" or something |
| 22:44.10 | rhalff | fugit, that machine is exposed to the internet |
| 22:44.11 | azeem | Aronofsky: apt-file |
| 22:44.11 | abrotman | it's the something that is tricky ... |
| 22:44.11 | fugit | isleshocky71: i would use a for loop ; for x in file ; do echo $x ; cat $x ; done |
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| 22:44.28 | Maulkin | isleshocky71: for I in *l do echo $I; cat $I; done; |
| 22:44.31 | dondelelcaro | isleshocky71: it may also help if you told us why you wanted to know the file content... |
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| 22:44.45 | uros | who programed that smart bot called dpkg ? :D |
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| 22:44.56 | Maulkin | uros: It's a blootbot |
| 22:44.57 | rhalff | fugit, but I don't get the filtered thing, I know nothing is listening on those ports, so why aren't they just closed. |
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| 22:45.07 | itrebal | so i've got debian installed, and its being rather uhh... screwy... |
| 22:45.10 | fugit | rhalff: then do what stew suggested use netstat. Check what is listening to external ports |
| 22:45.26 | isleshocky71 | I did a grep -H "word" * |
| 22:45.28 | isleshocky71 | and it worked. |
| 22:45.51 | Maulkin | uros: I'm the Debian maintainer, and a list of authors are at http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/blootbot |
| 22:45.52 | fugit | rhalff: filtered could be getting dropped by a firewall |
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| 22:46.04 | itrebal | rather, X is being screwy, and when GDM starts up its just.... sporatic lines and such |
| 22:46.06 | itrebal | any ideas? |
| 22:46.32 | rhalff | fugit, ah ok that's it then. |
| 22:46.59 | Maulkin | rhalff: Well, it's the difference between packets being refused, or packets to that port being dropped on the floor |
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| 22:47.34 | stew | mom always told me not to leave my packets on the floor |
| 22:47.36 | Maulkin | itrebal: IIRC, that's one of the sync rates |
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| 22:47.57 | Maulkin | itrebal: Horizontal sync I think |
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| 22:48.04 | rhalff | Maulkin, yes I realize that now :) so there is not a real difference in security then, between being dropped and just rejected. |
| 22:48.12 | itrebal | Maulkin: i have it at 1-2.... |
| 22:48.18 | Maulkin | rhalff: yes, basically :) |
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| 22:48.35 | Maulkin | itrebal: Erm... that's far too low. It should be around 50 ish normally |
| 22:48.46 | Liquid_Ic | eeyore-, ok /etc/fstab... updated, how do i put this into effect, and will this automatically mount on boot? |
| 22:48.47 | Maulkin | itrebal: Are you using Sarge, Etch or Sid? |
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| 22:48.59 | itrebal | Sarge |
| 22:49.10 | itrebal | and i set it to about 50 and it didnt change |
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| 22:49.32 | Maulkin | itrebal: Try "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" |
| 22:49.34 | eeyore- | Liquid_Ic: no, the "noauto" means "don't mount this automatically" :-) if you want it mounted automatically, well, you'll have to take out "noauto" and maybe use "user=...,password=" options (insecure) |
| 22:49.47 | eeyore- | Liquid_Ic: mounting password-protected shares automatically is a bad idea |
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| 22:50.01 | fugit | rhalff: Filtered means that a firewall, filter, or other network obstacle is blocking the port so that Nmap cannot tell whether it is open or closed. (http://www.insecure.org/nmap/man/) |
| 22:50.11 | Liquid_Ic | they're not password protected, just a music folder.. nothing important |
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| 22:50.21 | eeyore- | Liquid_Ic: ok, i thought you were asking about passwords earlier |
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| 22:50.31 | stew | itrebal: if you have edited the config file by hand read "/msg dpkg xmd5" first |
| 22:50.39 | Liquid_Ic | oh yeah, because smbmount was asking me for the root pass |
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| 22:50.58 | eeyore- | Liquid_Ic: in that case you'll want to use uid=,gid= option to make sure your user can read/chdir() into them |
| 22:51.07 | Liquid_Ic | hmm, now mount-a prompts me for the pass, doh! |
| 22:51.44 | rhalff | fugit, thanks for that info |
| 22:52.09 | Maulkin | stew: Good point, thanks :) |
| 22:52.20 | fugit | rhalff: np |
| 22:52.54 | abrotman | holy crap LIONS! |
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| 22:54.36 | P4C0 | hello guys, how can I go from stable to etch? |
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| 22:55.12 | ribnitz | abrotman: whats a crap lion? |
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| 22:55.25 | chealer | !tell P4C0 about sarge->etch |
| 22:55.34 | xaitax | P4C0: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 22:55.45 | fugit | chealer: thanks i knew there had to be a msg for that |
| 22:55.53 | xaitax | :-) |
| 22:56.05 | P4C0 | thanks |
| 22:56.19 | ribnitz | Can anyone suggest a way to get an XFCE4-based desktop to magically plug/pray accept usb sticks? |
| 22:56.38 | chealer | !sarge->etch |
| 22:56.40 | abrotman | ribnitz: you don't have poo sculptures in .ch ? |
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| 22:56.46 | abrotman | chealer: broken in channel |
| 22:56.50 | ribnitz | abrotman: no. |
| 22:56.53 | ribnitz | not yet. |
| 22:57.06 | abrotman | ribnitz: then why does tarzeau keep asking me to send mine to him ? |
| 22:57.07 | erhanr | !beer everyone |
| 22:57.27 | erhanr | boy bot is sleepin :D |
| 22:57.42 | chealer | dpkg: are you broken or not? |
| 22:57.51 | abrotman | chealer: that doesn't work in the channel |
| 22:57.58 | abrotman | same with |
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| 22:57.59 | abrotman | !woody->sarge |
| 22:58.01 | abrotman | see |
| 22:58.05 | loggygreg | where can i find the source of dpkg ? |
| 22:58.06 | illsci | hey is the debian bind9 package auto chrooted? |
| 22:58.10 | abrotman | loggygreg: the bot? |
| 22:58.10 | scenestar | damn |
| 22:58.14 | abrotman | !tell loggygreg about blootbot |
| 22:58.15 | loggygreg | abrotman: yes |
| 22:58.16 | P4C0 | what about security?? I got lost! |
| 22:58.17 | chealer | abrotman: but beer always works? :) |
| 22:58.29 | abrotman | of course :) |
| 22:58.31 | chealer | !tell P4C0 about testing security |
| 22:58.35 | ribnitz | chealer: what would you say if the bot answered yes to your question? |
| 22:58.38 | erhanr | hehe |
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| 22:58.48 | P4C0 | chealer, did that already... |
| 22:58.51 | chealer | ribnitz: hehe :) |
| 22:59.00 | loggygreg | abrotman: thanks |
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| 22:59.13 | chealer | P4C0: did you check the site? |
| 22:59.16 | stew | !tell abrotman about away |
| 22:59.19 | stew | :P |
| 22:59.20 | ribnitz | abrotman: night. |
| 22:59.23 | P4C0 | chealer, just don't know exactly what to put on the source file deb http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ etch/updates main ? |
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| 22:59.34 | fugit | illsci: no |
| 22:59.36 | chealer | P4C0: no, see that site to knoe |
| 22:59.38 | chealer | know |
| 22:59.43 | P4C0 | chealer, ok, i will thanks |
| 22:59.46 | stew | P4C0: /msg dpkg testing security |
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| 23:00.07 | dpm_ | P4C0, just some extra info: I just did a sarge->etch upgrade yesterday. I changed all 'stable' references to 'testing', reloaded the package information from synaptic and applied all upgrades. Afterwards I had to do a 'dpkg-reconfigure locale' because my locales had disapeared. Finally, I had to configure the X server again to get it running. |
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| 23:00.39 | ribnitz | dpm_: etch is more broken than sid in some respects. |
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| 23:01.05 | dpm_ | it seems to be working for me (tm) at the moment |
| 23:01.32 | Maulkin | P4C0: Have a look at the site, it's got the current source line in. I'd also advise subscribing to the -announce mailing list. |
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| 23:02.13 | fugit | illsci: for more info check with google (one site http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_bind_chroot/) |
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| 23:02.18 | Maulkin | P4C0: That's where all the advisories go, and it'll contain info when we move the repository, so you may need to change your sources.list |
| 23:02.37 | Maulkin | P4C0: Though it may take a little while before we do that :) |
| 23:02.48 | P4C0 | Maulkin, ok, thanks :) |
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| 23:03.45 | grendal_prime | thanks fugit that answerd alot of questions...basically the road i was going down. |
| 23:04.10 | grendal_prime | and i managed to find a nice web interface for setting up future connections. |
| 23:04.11 | fugit | grendal_prime: glad it helped, good luck |
| 23:04.20 | grendal_prime | for my successor |
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| 23:04.41 | fugit | grendal_prime: that is to nice of you... ;-P |
| 23:05.08 | Daishi | in debian how do you "safely remove" a usb drive such as an ipod or pen drive? |
| 23:05.11 | nonix4 | How do I loopback mount initrd image? |
| 23:05.11 | fugit | grendal_prime: unless you are consulting of course |
| 23:05.19 | grendal_prime | well i mean..you know....otherwize carma dictates a swift kick in the nuts...i hate that |
| 23:05.22 | Daishi | i know in slackware i used to be able to use eject but that doesnt work here |
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| 23:05.52 | fugit | Daishi: I always umount before unpluging |
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| 23:06.25 | Daishi | i know i do the umount but both the drive and ipod dont remove that safe to remove message |
| 23:06.47 | Daishi | like i know on the drive its blue light goes off and the ipod stops displaying that thing, though it hasnt caused any harm so far |
| 23:06.48 | mike4479 | Anyone know a work around for this error I get when netboot install unstable "No initrd generator" ? |
| 23:07.17 | itrebal | i'm getting bunches of errors from perl... perl: warning: Setting locale failed. things like that |
| 23:07.18 | itrebal | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.24 | itrebal | any ideas? |
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| 23:07.34 | scenestar | ugh |
| 23:07.37 | scenestar | quick question |
| 23:07.37 | Maulkin | itrebal: dpkg-reconfigure -plow locales |
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| 23:07.45 | itrebal | Maulkin: thanks |
| 23:07.51 | scenestar | if i were to install a .deb for a ubuntu kernel, would this work? |
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| 23:08.08 | scenestar | i quickly need bcm support for my wifi |
| 23:08.16 | Maulkin | scenestar: Theoreticallty, but you're better off asking in #ubuntu |
| 23:08.20 | scenestar | true |
| 23:08.34 | scenestar | but it will run on debian |
| 23:08.42 | scenestar | and im banned in #ubuntu |
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| 23:09.14 | Maulkin | scenestar: Just because it runs on Debian, doen't mean it'll work on Ububtu |
| 23:09.21 | itrebal | Maulkin: which one should i use...? i'm not sure - i'm american english? |
| 23:09.38 | mike4479 | Anyone know a work around for this error I get when netboot install unstable "No initrd generator" ? |
| 23:09.40 | Maulkin | itrebal: en_US |
| 23:10.30 | scenestar | dammit |
| 23:10.57 | scenestar | can i jsut copy the modules in /lib/modules/2.6.15-19-386/kernel/drivers/ to my other machine |
| 23:11.01 | scenestar | or is that no go either? |
| 23:11.16 | Maulkin | scenestar: I don't know if it's Ubuntu. |
| 23:11.28 | scenestar | theyre part of the ubunut kernel yeah |
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| 23:11.37 | scenestar | but im copying from ubuntu to debian etch |
| 23:11.38 | dak | can see why he's banned |
| 23:11.40 | dondelelcaro | scenestar: you should be installing the ubuntu kernel .deb then. |
| 23:11.55 | Maulkin | scenestar: They may compile their kernels differently from us. You really need to ask them. We can't help. |
| 23:11.58 | dondelelcaro | scenestar: and anycase, it's OT here; ask in #ubuntu. If you been banned there, ask in their forums or their mailing lists. |
| 23:12.18 | dak | or just download the kernel source and build it that way |
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| 23:12.35 | scenestar | i know that dak |
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| 23:13.21 | strk | http://rafb.net/paste/results/GwErCf38.html |
| 23:13.30 | strk | ^^ problems from apt-get install (with all stable sources) |
| 23:13.39 | strk | that's the output from apt-get install -f |
| 23:13.51 | fugit | Daishi: just umount should be fine. do you use gtkpod? |
| 23:14.09 | strk | it's months I have this problem, last time I removed all things related to gtk, apt-get cleaned and now still have the problem |
| 23:14.13 | dondelelcaro | !+find immodules/im-xim.so |
| 23:14.15 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 23:14.18 | dondelelcaro | !+find immodules/im-xim.so sarge |
| 23:14.19 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 23:14.25 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'immodules/im-xim.so' (2): (/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.4.0/immodules/im-xim.so) in libs/libgtk2.0-0 ;; (/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.4.0/immodules/im-xim.so) in libdevel/libgtk2.0-0-dbg. |
| 23:14.35 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'immodules/im-xim.so' (2): (/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.4.0/immodules/im-xim.so) in libs/libgtk2.0-0 ;; (/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.4.0/immodules/im-xim.so) in libdevel/libgtk2.0-0-dbg. |
| 23:15.24 | dondelelcaro | strk: reinstall libgtk2.0-0 |
| 23:15.34 | strk | dondelelcaro: how ? |
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| 23:15.48 | Daishi | fugit: yea |
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| 23:16.07 | scenestar | right well last question, is ndiswrapper support compiled into the 2.6.15 k7 kernel? |
| 23:16.13 | Daishi | fugit: i was just wondering |
| 23:16.49 | Daishi | i think im more concerned about making the message dissappear than i am seriously concerned about the data integrity, which i know umounting makes everything write fine |
| 23:16.50 | Maulkin | scenestar: Nope. |
| 23:16.50 | P4C0 | guys the update failed with: |
| 23:16.51 | strk | maybe I should install libgtk2.0-0-dbg instead ? |
| 23:16.51 | stew | scenestar: no |
| 23:16.52 | P4C0 | Unpacking replacement aptitude ... |
| 23:16.53 | P4C0 | Preparing to replace apt 0.5.28.6 (using .../archives/apt_0.6.43.3_i386.deb) ... |
| 23:16.53 | P4C0 | Unpacking replacement apt ... |
| 23:16.53 | P4C0 | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 23:16.53 | P4C0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:16.53 | P4C0 | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 23:16.58 | scenestar | ok |
| 23:17.00 | scenestar | thanks guys |
| 23:17.01 | dondelelcaro | strk: apt-get --reinstall install libgtk2.0-0 |
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| 23:17.04 | Maulkin | scenestar: /msg dpkg ndiswrapper |
| 23:17.09 | dondelelcaro | !tell P4C0 -about bat |
| 23:17.13 | scenestar | dude, i know about all that shit |
| 23:17.13 | scenestar | sheesh |
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| 23:17.48 | stew | scenestar: if you know, why are you asking. please don't be critical of people trying to help you |
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| 23:19.05 | dondelelcaro | strk: it's also likely that you've got an issue with the wrong libglib2.0-0 being installed, or it being corrupted. |
| 23:19.07 | scenestar | sorry , dak's remark just kidna hit a sensitive spot |
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| 23:20.28 | aNaPHaZe | ok i did "apt-get install x-window-system" and it compiled it and everything.. how do i get into the window system? |
| 23:20.29 | strk | dondelelcaro: --reinstall didn't work: same error |
| 23:20.29 | strk | Setting up libgtk2.0-bin (2.6.4-3.1) ... |
| 23:20.38 | strk | Updating the IM modules list for GTK+-2.4.0...Cannot load module /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.4.0/immodules/im-xim.so: |
| 23:20.46 | dondelelcaro | strk: don't paste, please... |
| 23:20.53 | dondelelcaro | strk: reinstall libglib2.0-0 too. |
| 23:20.54 | strk | that's all :) |
| 23:21.11 | stew | aNaPHaZe: run startx; or install a display manager such as gdm,xdm,kdm and /etc/init.d/?dm start |
| 23:21.13 | dondelelcaro | strk: also, give the output of ldd /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.4.0/immodules/im-xim.so; |
| 23:21.35 | dondelelcaro | strk: hopefully someone here can help you with that if reinstalling libglib2.0-0 doesn't work; I have to go take care of some stuff really quickly. |
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| 23:21.38 | strk | dondelelcaro: http://rafb.net/paste/results/p6T6HS14.html |
| 23:22.30 | strk | libglib2.0-0 reinstall attempt still failed, keeps trying to setup libgtk2.0-bin, which fails |
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| 23:22.38 | fugit | Daishi: just asking about gtkpod because they have a list of bugs as well. I'm thinking of getting an iPod still not sure |
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| 23:24.06 | Daishi | fugit: well gtkpod works fine for me (and its the best thing for linux) |
| 23:24.26 | Daishi | and now the ipod runs linux and rockbox though im liking rockbox a little more right now |
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| 23:25.31 | phobo | Top shows me on my dualcpu pc that some processes (e.g. migration, ksoftirqd, watchdog, aio) etc, are running across two CPUS, i.e. it shows /0 and /1 on it. However, most other things, e.g. apache and mysql do not show this suffix. What does this mean in terms of how those programs are utilising the two CPUs? Are threads shared evently across them? |
| 23:25.32 | fugit | Daishi: Cool I just looked at rockbox today... do you have a color display? how does it look with rockbox |
| 23:25.50 | Daishi | it looks ok |
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| 23:26.08 | fugit | Daishi: because when it comes to my toys it has to look cool to :-) |
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| 23:26.25 | P4C0 | I'm getting a lot of errors trying to go etch |
| 23:26.35 | Daishi | well i havent changed the theme yet im first looking at how to turn the backlight off |
| 23:26.47 | VulpesFoxling | p4c0 join the club |
| 23:26.54 | P4C0 | VulpesFoxling, :( |
| 23:27.02 | P4C0 | uknown host... what does that means!? |
| 23:27.03 | Daishi | but its got lotsa games |
| 23:27.12 | VulpesFoxling | p4c0 my udev is freakng out |
| 23:27.12 | Daishi | im sure nothing will look as good as apples firmware yet |
| 23:27.13 | Vinland | gaymes |
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| 23:27.16 | useruser | does debian run on macbook pro machines? |
| 23:27.29 | Daishi | but i think you can add your own |
| 23:27.56 | P4C0 | can I go without the security? |
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| 23:28.26 | aNaPHaZe | is there a command to give me my video irq and mouse irq ? |
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| 23:29.13 | astronut | when i run modules-assistant it says "Warning: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.16-1 seems to contain unconfigured linux source" |
| 23:29.17 | astronut | what's it want? |
| 23:30.12 | P4C0 | whre can I get a list of good mirrors? |
| 23:30.14 | strk | where's configurator file for libgtk2.0-bin ? I want to try skipping the step in which im-xim.so is involved |
| 23:30.17 | fugit | Daishi: The screen shots they have on the site are a little bland, but a very cool project. Also waiting to see if they come out with a large screen video iPod |
| 23:30.27 | astronut | it seems wha ti want is in -k7 |
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| 23:32.38 | aNaPHaZe | P4C0: Note: the list of mirrors may always be found in the file http://www.debian.org/mirror/mirrors_full. |
| 23:32.51 | Daishi | fugit: well the default one is just black text on blue background |
| 23:33.21 | P4C0 | aNaPHaZe, thanks I was starting to go crazy here: http://www.debian.org/distrib/ |
| 23:34.25 | aNaPHaZe | P4C0: you can also find a full list of packages here http://packages.debian.org/stable/allpackages |
| 23:34.29 | strk | dondelelcaro: I commented-out /usr/sbin/update-gtk-immodules and /usr/sbin/update-gdkpixbuf-loaders in libgtk-2.0-bin.postinst |
| 23:34.38 | strk | and it apt-get install -f worked |
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| 23:35.05 | strk | both commands, when run manually, fail |
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| 23:35.32 | strk | !+find update-gdkpixbuf-loaders |
| 23:35.33 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 23:35.43 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'update-gdkpixbuf-loaders' (1): (/usr/sbin/update-gdkpixbuf-loaders) in misc/libgtk2.0-bin. |
| 23:36.00 | strk | acc |
| 23:36.09 | strk | !+find /usr/sbin/update-gtk-immodules |
| 23:36.11 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 23:36.21 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '/usr/sbin/update-gtk-immodules' returned no results. |
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| 23:37.40 | P4C0 | W: GPG error: http://ftp.ch.debian.org etch Release: Couldn't access keyring: No such file or directory <--- this is happenening to every mirror what's wrong!! |
| 23:37.45 | pacroon | Hi. I've downloaded the kernel-squashfs-patch for Debian with APT. Can someone help me use it on my kernel, so I can mount squashfs filesystems? |
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| 23:39.02 | fugit | Daishi: Some very nice themes for the new ipod video even. O man I just might lose 500$ when they announce the new one |
| 23:39.14 | Daishi | heh |
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| 23:39.23 | bsims | I had asked yesterday about rebuilding a deb from installed files dpkg-rebuild (a optional package does just that and works wonderfully) |
| 23:39.27 | Daishi | apple does theming now? |
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| 23:39.47 | strk | where is g_assert_warning supposed to be defined ? |
| 23:39.51 | fugit | Daishi: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery |
| 23:40.06 | TANATHOS | hmm |
| 23:40.09 | TANATHOS | hi |
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| 23:41.05 | Hessophanes | strk: I've got that in /usr/include/glib-2.0/glib/gmessages.h... |
| 23:41.05 | TANATHOS | Is there anyone that would tell me how to shape bandwidth easier? |
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| 23:41.15 | Daishi | fugit: oo i see |
| 23:42.09 | dondelelcaro | strk: yes, it'll succeed, but you've still got a problem with the shared libraries, because they're not linking properly |
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| 23:42.44 | enveezee | I got a dualboot I setup and someone installed windows over the windows to try and fix it and ruined my mbr so I cant get back to debian. is there an easy way to get there from windows without a burner or a cd? |
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| 23:43.06 | strk | Hessophanes: mmm... you mean it might be inlined ? |
| 23:43.15 | fugit | TANATHOS: Hopefully someone has a better answer because I just looked into that (downloads messing with my FPS) and didn't find anything that fell into the easier catagory |
| 23:44.02 | P4C0 | anyone? |
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| 23:44.15 | Hessophanes | srtk: At least it's not explicitly declared inline... |
| 23:44.17 | TANATHOS | fugit: I am looking for a tool to shape the bandwidth for the C Class ip's that i am rooting |
| 23:44.26 | P4C0 | W: GPG error: http://ftp.ch.debian.org etch Release: Couldn't access keyring: No such file or directory <-- !?!? (when doing apt-get update) |
| 23:44.29 | Hessophanes | strk: (sorry, nick typo) |
| 23:44.47 | ajolk | PC40: Have you installed the debian-archive-keyring package? |
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| 23:44.57 | pacroon | Hi. I've downloaded the kernel-squashfs-patch for Debian with APT. Can someone help me use it on my kernel, so I can mount squashfs filesystems? |
| 23:45.16 | strk | mmm.. I have libgtk1.2 around, should I try at dropping it ? |
| 23:45.19 | azeem | pacroon: use module-assistant |
| 23:45.22 | azeem | !m-a |
| 23:45.22 | dpkg | rumour has it, module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or the daddy, or apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential |
| 23:45.28 | pacroon | azeem: Okay. Thanks |
| 23:46.35 | Hessophanes | strk: Sorry, I didn't follow your conversation thread from the beginning, I only joined when you were searching for that definition... what's the problem, initially? :) |
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| 23:47.38 | strk | I have g_assert_warning defined in /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0.600.4 |
| 23:47.44 | strk | (libglib2.0-0-dbg) |
| 23:47.46 | P4C0 | W: GPG error: http://ftp.es.debian.org etch Release: Couldn't access keyring: No such file or directory <---? helllp |
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| 23:48.09 | strk | Hessophanes: problem is I get undefined g_assert_warning during install/remove ops |
| 23:48.10 | P4C0 | ajolk, I'm upgrading... doesn't the upgrade should take care of? |
| 23:48.20 | strk | usually triggered by run of update-gtk-immodules |
| 23:48.30 | garface | i need to upgrade from the 2.4 kernel to the 2.6 kernel, i used lynx to get the kernel upgrade which is a .bz file. is there a way for me to simply upgrade the kernel with apt-get command ? i am very new to linux and all help is appreciated. |
| 23:48.45 | pacroon | azeem: Can't seem to see squashfs in module-assistant's packagelib |
| 23:48.55 | P4C0 | ajolk, and apt-get don't let me install that cause of unment dependencies |
| 23:49.01 | Hessophanes | strk: Ah, I see... just a sec, I'm going to pull the debs in question... |
| 23:49.10 | azeem | pacroon: :-/ |
| 23:49.19 | azeem | pacroon: did you update the list? |
| 23:49.28 | pacroon | azeem: I can't see some info on what to do with the package - im kindda lost |
| 23:49.31 | pacroon | azeem: yes |
| 23:49.51 | ajolk | P4C0: unmet dependencies, that means that you have to run `apt-get -f install' first thing, in order to sort them out. |
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| 23:50.30 | P4C0 | ajolk, thanks :) |
| 23:50.32 | fugit | TANTHOS: Easier then what, what are you using now? |
| 23:50.36 | ajolk | P4C0: debian-archive-keyring is I believe, `suggested' with newer apt versions, but not a dependency. You might have missed it upon upgrading apt. |
| 23:50.40 | strk | Hessophanes: thanks |
| 23:50.45 | P4C0 | ajolk, broken pipe... it failed |
| 23:51.15 | azeem | pacroon: then install the kernel-headers package and build manually, I'd say |
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| 23:51.30 | P4C0 | ajolk, can I msg you the error? |
| 23:51.35 | ajolk | P4C0: `broken pipe' on what command? |
| 23:51.42 | TANATHOS | fugit: i am not using anything |
| 23:51.44 | ajolk | P4C0: sure, msg ahead. |
| 23:52.05 | TANATHOS | fugit : i was told to use tc - to damn complicated |
| 23:52.16 | pacroon | azeem: Sorry but.. build manually, how? |
| 23:52.28 | P4C0 | ajolk, apt-get install -f |
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| 23:52.34 | SoloFlyer | anyone know why when i mount a smb network drive that the mount point looses its access permissions |
| 23:52.40 | Hessophanes | strk: Ok... gtk-query-immodules-2.0 is also aborting instantly then, I guess? If so, could you give me its ldd? |
| 23:52.43 | SoloFlyer | ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? smbmount |
| 23:52.50 | garface | what is the easiest way to upgrade the kernel that i got with the net install which is 2.4 |
| 23:53.15 | fugit | TANTHOS: ah, routhing and what not is not my thing, but check out tcng |
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| 23:53.38 | P4C0 | ajolk, did you get it? |
| 23:53.41 | azeem | pacroon: there is no general way, try to see whether there is information about this along with the source you downloaded |
| 23:53.47 | strk | Hessophanes: http://rafb.net/paste/results/xaJVzq62.html |
| 23:53.56 | fugit | TANTHOS: here is someon info http://talk.trekweb.com/~jasonb/articles/tcng_shaping.html |
| 23:53.57 | strk | (I confirm it aborts) |
| 23:54.04 | jmedina | TANATHOS, you can use shorewall |
| 23:54.09 | azeem | pacroon: I don't compile kernel stuff, so I'm of no further use to you, sorry |
| 23:54.14 | vedder | is there a way to change the default gcc version in the gcc_select macosx fashion? |
| 23:54.16 | jmedina | shorewall has a traffic shapper built-in |
| 23:54.17 | ajolk | P4C0: yes, got it. Can you try `apt-get remove xfree86-common'? It seems to conflict with a package update. |
| 23:54.43 | jmedina | http://shorewall.net/traffic_shaping.htm |
| 23:54.59 | ajolk | garface: apt-get install kernel-image, then select from the proposed choices. |
| 23:55.09 | Hessophanes | strk: libglib, libgmodule and libgobject are pointing to some file in /usr/local/lib... are those self-compiled libraries? (Maybe try to move them aside, so the official ones in /usr/lib are used?) |
| 23:55.14 | P4C0 | ajolk, ok |
| 23:55.19 | TANATHOS | tnx guys |
| 23:55.23 | pacroon | azeem: Thanks anyway :) |
| 23:56.05 | P4C0 | ajolk, I'm on a loop |
| 23:56.28 | vedder | is there a way to change the default gcc version in the gcc_select macosx fashion? |
| 23:56.40 | garface | thank you |
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| 23:57.16 | ajolk | P4C0: If `apt-get remove' doesn't work, remove it with `dpkg -r xfree86-common'. |
| 23:57.41 | strk | Hessophanes: mmm yes, it seems it was libglib |
| 23:57.45 | fugit | good luck TANTHOS, later all |
| 23:58.00 | stew | P4C0: "apt-get x11-common xfree86-common-" |
| 23:58.11 | stew | P4C0: err "apt-get install x11-common xfree86-common-" |
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| 23:58.42 | Hessophanes | strk: Ah, fine. Maybe an outdated version... |
| 23:58.47 | P4C0 | nop |
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| 23:59.30 | stew | P4C0: wait, what exactly is the problem you are having? |
| 23:59.59 | P4C0 | stew, upgrade to etch |