| 00:00.08 | P4C0 | stew, can I msg u? |
| 00:00.20 | stew | P4C0: no, if you are getting an error, put it in a pastebin |
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| 00:00.51 | ajolk | P4C0: stew is right, but note there's a single minus at the end of xfree86-common- ! |
| 00:00.58 | P4C0 | stew, ok |
| 00:01.21 | strk | Hessophanes: thanks a lot, I think that's it for now :) |
| 00:01.37 | P4C0 | ajolk, oh yes, what does it means? |
| 00:01.57 | Hessophanes | strk: Ok, no problem. :) |
| 00:02.03 | TANATHOS | jmedian may i query you? |
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| 00:02.10 | pacroon | azeem: It says to use the kernel-package tools. Have you ever tried this? |
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| 00:03.24 | ajolk | P4C0: You are telling apt to install x11-common, and kill xfree86-common. That should help it around your current roadblock. |
| 00:03.33 | azeem | pacroon: nope, sorry |
| 00:03.35 | P4C0 | ajolk, yes, thanks |
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| 00:05.16 | vedder | i'm using a c++ library called SystemC. It only compiles with g++-3.x. How can i change the default version from 4.0 to 3.3? |
| 00:05.40 | azeem | vedder: export CXX=/usr/bin/g++-3.4 |
| 00:05.46 | azeem | or something |
| 00:05.51 | vedder | azeem wont work |
| 00:05.58 | azeem | why not? |
| 00:06.16 | vedder | azeem have to tell where to get all the libcrt stuff |
| 00:06.16 | SoloFlyer | ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? share <---- why does ls -l show this when i mount an smb share??? |
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| 00:06.38 | k31th | Anyone know what that debian project is called its like cpanel but its OS and free |
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| 00:07.01 | azeem | vedder: hrm, dunno then |
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| 00:07.24 | strk | what's the name of the package for KDE desktop (smaller then 'kde', which installs the world) |
| 00:07.33 | SoloFlyer | kdebase |
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| 00:08.08 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 00:08.08 | dpkg | somebody said install kde was In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 00:08.19 | strk | what's kdesktop for ? |
| 00:08.54 | abrotman | huh? |
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| 00:09.21 | abrotman | oh .. it's somewhere in between .. |
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| 00:09.37 | abrotman | we'll have to have a kde person evaluate where it fits in :) |
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| 00:11.21 | strk | I'm looking for an easy-to-use environment for use by my family, trying not to be required to do customer care :) |
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| 00:12.21 | SoloFlyer | how do you mount a smb share in linux? |
| 00:12.37 | azeem | SoloFlyer: smbmount |
| 00:12.39 | abrotman | strk: either gnome or kde is probably the way to go .. or icewm can be configured to look like win32 |
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| 00:12.43 | azeem | or what KDE and GNOME provide |
| 00:12.56 | aboyousif | hi. i cann't run php files on apache2 and php5 .. is there a special thing to do with php5? |
| 00:13.00 | SoloFlyer | smbmount wont let me access the share once it mounts |
| 00:14.06 | P4C0 | my next error: http://pastebin.com/617171 |
| 00:14.54 | abrotman | P4C0: seems pretty well spelled out to me |
| 00:15.22 | garface | ajolk: kk i got the kernel image for the 386 architecture. what do i need to do to get it to upgrade itself. |
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| 00:15.38 | P4C0 | abrotman, what can I do? |
| 00:15.57 | abrotman | hostname: Unknown host |
| 00:15.58 | abrotman | fix that |
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| 00:16.43 | P4C0 | abrotman, how!? I haven't set any hostname... |
| 00:16.55 | abrotman | you didn't? |
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| 00:17.00 | abrotman | cat /etc/hostname |
| 00:17.02 | P4C0 | abrotman, I mean it was working fine with stable... why did it happened now? |
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| 00:17.27 | P4C0 | abrotman, what whould I need to put there?? google.com!? come on! |
| 00:17.33 | abrotman | because oyu're upgrading to testing/unstable .. and stuff is possibly broken .. if you don't want broken stuff .. stay with stable |
| 00:17.46 | abrotman | what is in /etc/hostname? |
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| 00:18.10 | Daishi | garface: you apt-get install the kernel\ |
| 00:18.16 | garface | ya |
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| 00:18.26 | SoloFlyer | My Problem with Mouting SMB !!! http://pastebin.com/617182 |
| 00:18.31 | SoloFlyer | Please Help |
| 00:18.37 | P4C0 | abrotman, some made up hostname |
| 00:18.39 | garface | ya apt-get install kernel-image |
| 00:18.44 | garface | ' |
| 00:18.47 | dondelelcaro | P4C0: you need to have your hostname listed there, and it needs to equal what hostname; returns. |
| 00:18.52 | dondelelcaro | !tell P4C0 -about hostname |
| 00:19.03 | Daishi | but its not a file its like linux-image or kernel-image and apt-get downloads and installs it |
| 00:19.08 | Daishi | then you reboot to use it |
| 00:19.19 | P4C0 | dondelelcaro, hostname returns what is listed there... |
| 00:19.48 | dondelelcaro | P4C0: what does hostname; hostname --fqdn; ping $(hostname); and cat /etc/hostname; return? [use the paster bot or similar.] |
| 00:19.54 | garface | kk thats what i thaught, when i restarted the pc i gave me a choice of which kernel to boot |
| 00:20.16 | P4C0 | dondelelcaro, whait |
| 00:20.17 | Daishi | yea and the default should be the new one |
| 00:20.22 | garface | ya it is |
| 00:20.29 | garface | can i remove the old one? |
| 00:20.33 | Daishi | so whats the problem? |
| 00:20.44 | garface | or is it pointless to do that |
| 00:20.51 | SoloFlyer | can anyone help me with mouting SMB -- http://pastebin.com/617182 |
| 00:21.01 | garface | ya i just had a lapse of reason srry |
| 00:21.04 | Daishi | im not sure i guess you can apt-get remove the specific version but it is nice to have an older version incase something goes wrong |
| 00:21.23 | garface | ok cool thank you |
| 00:21.31 | Daishi | and its not really necessary unless you are desperate for disk space |
| 00:21.33 | dondelelcaro | Daishi: you can only remove the installed version... |
| 00:21.52 | Daishi | dondelelcaro: oo |
| 00:22.01 | P4C0 | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 00:22.05 | Daishi | then how does it remove the older ones? |
| 00:22.17 | Daishi | garface: np, though i was wrong on that last point |
| 00:22.25 | dondelelcaro | Daishi: they're removed when you install the current one. |
| 00:22.46 | dondelelcaro | (unless you're talking about the cache or something) |
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| 00:22.49 | strk | ok, kdebase installed, SEGFAULT on kpanel start :( |
| 00:23.00 | dondelelcaro | strk: uh... you've got some issues ther.e |
| 00:23.06 | Daishi | really ive upgraded the kernel oo but wait i think i have a 2.6 and 2.4 |
| 00:23.08 | Daishi | maybe thats why |
| 00:23.23 | dondelelcaro | strk: you've most likely got some unoffical packages installed that shouldn't be, or libraries that are corrupted. |
| 00:23.30 | strk | dondelelcaro: really, I'm trying to cleanup QT stuff now |
| 00:23.38 | strk | dondelelcaro: could be stuff from unstable |
| 00:23.42 | dondelelcaro | strk: your best bet is to start reinstalling libraries until your system stabalizes. |
| 00:23.51 | dondelelcaro | strk: uh... are you mixing stable and unstable or something? |
| 00:23.56 | strk | http://rafb.net/paste/results/3Ejqzo84.html |
| 00:24.02 | strk | ^^ dpkg -l | grep libqt |
| 00:24.05 | dondelelcaro | Daishi: those are different packages, not just different versions |
| 00:24.07 | Daishi | no wait i have 2.6.15 and 2.6.12 |
| 00:24.20 | strk | should reinstall ? |
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| 00:24.30 | Daishi | and 2.4.27 |
| 00:24.30 | dondelelcaro | !+reinstall |
| 00:24.30 | dpkg | methinks reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install |
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| 00:24.40 | dondelelcaro | strk: try using the first command |
| 00:24.50 | strk | dondelelcaro: won't it reinstall EVERYTHING ? |
| 00:24.55 | dondelelcaro | strk: yerp |
| 00:25.06 | itrebal | http://pastebin.ca/46663 comes up when i run "dpkg-reconfigure -plow locales" |
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| 00:25.36 | abrotman | oh lovely |
| 00:25.56 | dondelelcaro | SoloFlyer: first, you should use smbmount |
| 00:26.06 | thewiz | hello , where can i read about how to set up mysql'sauthorized users |
| 00:26.11 | thewiz | any specific man page ? |
| 00:26.18 | strk | dondelelcaro: http://rafb.net/paste/results/dsBxM722.html |
| 00:26.23 | strk | ^^ content of 'packages' |
| 00:26.23 | thewiz | or a good "for dummies site" you know ? |
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| 00:26.38 | dondelelcaro | strk: no, the COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install; one |
| 00:26.42 | aNaPHaZe | how do i get linux to find my video card type and mouse type ? |
| 00:26.48 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: a bomb, a plan, and a plane with snakes? |
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| 00:27.09 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i bet Mr. Jackson could take the whole town out .. no snakes needed :) |
| 00:27.12 | strk | dondelelcaro: yes, I redirected output to 'packages', the above is the output |
| 00:27.21 | strk | sorry for confusion |
| 00:27.28 | dondelelcaro | strk: oh, ok... thought you were talkinga bout the --get-selections output |
| 00:28.16 | pacroon | azeem: i got it to work! thanks :) |
| 00:28.23 | aNaPHaZe | or better yet .. x window system .. once installed how do i change settings .. i cannot start x window system due to it not knowing my mouse or video card |
| 00:28.23 | dondelelcaro | strk: hrm... that indicates to me that you've got packages installed that no longer exists, and you should probably remove. |
| 00:28.40 | dondelelcaro | strk: unless you know you want those, use aptitude to mark them as automatically installed and remove them; then try again |
| 00:29.05 | erhanr | aNaPHaZe: lspci |
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| 00:29.43 | SoloFlyer | dondelelcaro, same problem happens with smbmount -- http://pastebin.com/617198 |
| 00:30.03 | Daishi | aNaPHaZe: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 00:30.25 | abrotman | !drxx aNaPHaZe |
| 00:30.25 | dpkg | aNaPHaZe: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 00:30.30 | abrotman | Daishi: he may not have xorg |
| 00:30.33 | strk | dondelelcaro: I'm ready to remove them, don't have aptitude, but I'll try manually |
| 00:30.44 | erhanr | aNaPHaZe: or that if you use xorg : xorgcfg -textmode |
| 00:31.00 | erhanr | upps |
| 00:31.02 | dondelelcaro | SoloFlyer: and the output of dmesg and cat /proc/mounts? |
| 00:31.06 | abrotman | erhanr: or dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 00:31.16 | dondelelcaro | SoloFlyer: what kernel is this? |
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| 00:31.24 | aNaPHaZe | thanks .. and ya i don't have xorg |
| 00:31.24 | Daishi | abrotman: true |
| 00:31.34 | Daishi | xfree86 then? |
| 00:31.36 | abrotman | aNaPHaZe: so .. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:31.46 | erhanr | :) |
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| 00:31.56 | aNaPHaZe | yes .. thanks |
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| 00:33.18 | strk | fingers crossed |
| 00:33.46 | SoloFlyer | dondelelcaro, 2.6.12-1-686 and there is nothing in dmesg related to mounting/smb |
| 00:34.18 | SoloFlyer | and /proc/mounts shows -- //svradl01/images /mnt/svradl01-images smbfs rw,nodiratime,nosuid,nodev,uid=0,gid=0,file_mode=0755,dir_mode=0755 0 0 |
| 00:35.18 | dondelelcaro | hrm. well, that looks fine to me... are the actual files in the mountpoint owned correctly? |
| 00:35.34 | SoloFlyer | Yes owned by root... |
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| 00:36.10 | beered | What does everybody thinks about Ubuntu? I think they do an amazing PR job as there are diggs and articles almost every day about it. BTW, I tried it, and it just didn't work for me, but I guess most other people do like it since its getting huge coverege. |
| 00:36.22 | SoloFlyer | and i can access the smb share by using the gnome built in smb browser |
| 00:36.33 | dondelelcaro | beered: that's rather OT here; try asking in #ubuntu |
| 00:36.36 | abrotman | beered: it's offtopic .. and i think you've been told this numerous times before |
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| 00:37.31 | beered | abrotman: no, I haven't this is the first time I'm asking or even mentioning Ubuntu. |
| 00:37.38 | abrotman | still OT :) |
| 00:38.00 | beered | I just think they do a great PR job. That's all. |
| 00:38.11 | surfer1975 | Be nice please!!!! Is Debian all command line based? |
| 00:38.17 | abrotman | so go to #ubuntu and tell them about it |
| 00:38.21 | azeem | surfer1975: no |
| 00:38.22 | wireddd | surfer1975, no |
| 00:38.36 | dondelelcaro | surfer1975: not necessarily. It can be if you want it to be. |
| 00:38.55 | dondelelcaro | SoloFlyer: and if you stat svrad101-images? |
| 00:38.57 | surfer1975 | hmmm I must have done something wrong...Is there a site you can point me to where I can learn more about the install process? |
| 00:39.16 | aNaPHaZe | configuring xserver-xfree86 i come to the video section of setup and select generic video card .. it wants me to specify the BusID and gives 3 examples.. | ISA:1 | PCI:0:16:0 | SBUS:/iomma@0etc..... | i know my video card is in a PCI slot .. how do i find out the BusID ? |
| 00:39.34 | wireddd | aNaPHaZe, lspci |
| 00:39.36 | dondelelcaro | surfer1975: if you're just getting a login: prompt instead of a gui, you want to login, and run tasksel and have it install the desktop task. |
| 00:39.44 | dondelelcaro | !install guide |
| 00:39.44 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for stable can be found at: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual For sid: ask me about "iyhtays". Also ask me about "reference". |
| 00:39.51 | dondelelcaro | surfer1975: see above for more details instructions |
| 00:39.59 | dondelelcaro | s/ails/ailed/ |
| 00:40.07 | beered | abrotman: I'm using Debian, not Ubuntu. And I think we should learn from the success sotries like that. But then, you are probably right. This might be OT for this chan. |
| 00:40.08 | surfer1975 | dondelelcaro: Thx |
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| 00:40.35 | gnychis | does the 2.4 kernel have udev support? |
| 00:40.42 | chealer | when I try $ LANG=C apt-get source debconf; I get [2 normal lines] E: Unable to find a source package for debconf |
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| 00:40.50 | wireddd | beered, debian and ubuntu have different goals |
| 00:40.51 | azeem | beered: discussing Ubuntu in here won't get anything changed at least |
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| 00:41.06 | chealer | installing apt's source, for example, works. what could I be missing? |
| 00:41.33 | chealer | oh, I just got an idea |
| 00:41.39 | abrotman | beered: no .. i am right :) |
| 00:41.47 | lsald | beered, deb = development ubuntu=desktop |
| 00:41.47 | beered | azeem: I'm not talking about it at all. My topic is 'what can we learn from the successful PR that they have'. |
| 00:42.02 | SoloFlyer | dondelelcaro, http://pastebin.com/617226 |
| 00:42.17 | azeem | beered: you can learn whatever you want, but Debian won't learn anything from discussions in here |
| 00:42.28 | dondelelcaro | beered: there may be a lot of things to learn, but the right place to bring that sort of query up is on debian-project@lists.debian.org |
| 00:42.31 | beered | azeem: don't be so sure of that... |
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| 00:42.41 | chealer | it works after I installed sources for my default release. that's funny, the answer appeared as soon as I asked here |
| 00:42.41 | azeem | beered: what dondelelcaro said |
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| 00:43.08 | dondelelcaro | beered: this is primarily a user support channel, not a developer (or project) discussion channel |
| 00:43.18 | beered | dondelelcaro: I don't know. People seem to be very touchy about this whole thing. It reminds me of late 1990ties distro wars. |
| 00:43.21 | marcot | Hello, is sid's evolution broken? |
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| 00:43.31 | beered | dondelelcaro: yes |
| 00:43.36 | azeem | marcot: yes |
| 00:43.43 | marcot | =D |
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| 00:43.49 | marcot | Is there a way to make it work? |
| 00:43.54 | azeem | marcot: yes |
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| 00:44.02 | azeem | let me dig it up |
| 00:44.02 | marcot | G_SLICE=always-malloc evolution isn't working anymore. |
| 00:44.04 | marcot | How? |
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| 00:44.16 | azeem | marcot: oh |
| 00:44.20 | azeem | anymore? |
| 00:44.21 | dondelelcaro | hrm... I thought that was the fix |
| 00:44.37 | marcot | It was working, but I updated again, and it's not working anymore. |
| 00:44.41 | azeem | marcot: so that helped for a while yesterday/today, but not so anymore? |
| 00:44.43 | beered | marcot: Evo works out of the box on my laptop. |
| 00:44.48 | azeem | beered: unstable? |
| 00:45.02 | beered | azeem: uh, no. I'm on testing. |
| 00:45.11 | SoloFlyer | i whish it was as easy to downgrade as to upgrade |
| 00:45.13 | gnychis | does the 2.4 kernel have udev support? |
| 00:45.14 | azeem | this is an unstable issue |
| 00:45.22 | beered | yes, I see that now. |
| 00:45.32 | azeem | [2006-03-22] Accepted 3.8.1-1.1 in unstable (low) (Heikki Henriksen) |
| 00:45.34 | marcot | azeem: I don't know, there are some packages from sid that I can't download I don't know why. |
| 00:45.45 | azeem | marcot: did you update gtkhtml3.8 as well? |
| 00:45.47 | SoloFlyer | dondelelcaro, did that stat give you any ideas? |
| 00:45.51 | marcot | So I've upgraded *some* of my system... maybe that's the problem.. |
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| 00:46.03 | dondelelcaro | SoloFlyer: you shouldn't be getting a permission denied on it if you can see the files inside. |
| 00:46.13 | azeem | ah, and evolution got NMUd as well |
| 00:46.25 | dondelelcaro | SoloFlyer: but basically what you're showing doesn't make any sense, because it looks like the mountpoint record is totally screwed |
| 00:46.27 | azeem | marcot: you need both, evolution and gtkhtml3.8 |
| 00:46.28 | marcot | Version: 3.8.1-1.1 |
| 00:46.31 | azeem | hrm |
| 00:46.32 | marcot | Is this the current one? |
| 00:46.34 | azeem | yes |
| 00:46.49 | azeem | so you get the same symptoms as before? |
| 00:46.49 | P4C0 | guys I'm trying to install a lib that I have removed (also with purge) before, but it seems that it's not getting all the files, how can I reinstall it for real? |
| 00:46.51 | aNaPHaZe | now.. my mouse is plugged into a mouse plug .. how do i find out the BusID for that? |
| 00:46.56 | azeem | even without the G_SLICE thing? |
| 00:47.04 | abrotman | aNaPHaZe: leave it blank |
| 00:47.11 | azeem | P4C0: which files are not there? |
| 00:47.11 | aNaPHaZe | k |
| 00:47.15 | dondelelcaro | !tell P4C0 -about confmiss |
| 00:47.18 | SoloFlyer | dondelelcaro, great... lol... suggestions? |
| 00:47.29 | grendal_prime | it would be crazy to use the same public private for root on all my i differnt servers right? |
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| 00:47.55 | dondelelcaro | SoloFlyer: not really, since I've never seen that error before. Try turning up the debug level to something like 4 to see if it's illuminating at all... |
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| 00:48.40 | azeem | grendal_prime: private what? |
| 00:49.04 | surfer1975 | thx for the help all |
| 00:49.21 | grendal_prime | keys.. |
| 00:49.47 | livingtm | Im trying to build a kernel using the 'classic method' (http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-kernel.en.html) but that doesnt seem to generate an initrd.img. Am i doing something wrong? |
| 00:49.52 | grendal_prime | you know instead of generating a diff one for each server...just distibute the same on to each server |
| 00:49.53 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 00:49.59 | azeem | grendal_prime: you mean putting the private key on all of them? |
| 00:50.02 | P4C0 | azeem, /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lgda-3 |
| 00:50.12 | grendal_prime | ya |
| 00:50.19 | azeem | P4C0: that's a building issue |
| 00:50.23 | azeem | apt-get build-dep foo |
| 00:50.33 | grendal_prime | like say i have A B and C computers. |
| 00:50.39 | P4C0 | azeem, yes, it's lib gda |
| 00:50.40 | wols | livingtm: there is NO downside using kernel-pakcage, so use it |
| 00:50.48 | dondelelcaro | livingtm: use make-kpkg; and if you're building your own kernel, you shouldn't need an initrd... |
| 00:50.52 | azeem | P4C0: what are you tring to build? |
| 00:50.58 | azeem | trying, even |
| 00:51.03 | wols | livingtm: however, unless you have really special (and sucky) hardware, you don't need initrd anyways |
| 00:51.10 | P4C0 | azeem, my software... how depends on libgda |
| 00:51.24 | azeem | so install the libgda development libraray |
| 00:51.26 | azeem | library |
| 00:51.29 | P4C0 | # pkg-config libgda --libs |
| 00:51.29 | P4C0 | -L/usr/local/lib -lgda-3 -lglib-2.0 -lxslt -lxml2 -lz -lm |
| 00:51.29 | grendal_prime | i create the pair on A create the acepted_keys and then just copy the .ssh folder to B and C |
| 00:51.34 | livingtm | wols, i started out =using a precanned kernel, but it seemed to break a bunch of stuff (sound, acpi, etc) so i thought i would build my own. I |
| 00:51.46 | marcot | azeem: evolution is not even running. |
| 00:51.52 | azeem | grendal_prime: do you need to login to C from B? |
| 00:52.05 | grendal_prime | im thinking out loud. ummm ya somtines |
| 00:52.10 | azeem | marcot: any error message on the consoleßß |
| 00:52.12 | marcot | azeem: I run $ evolution and nothing happens, until I press C-c |
| 00:52.19 | wols | livingtm: building your own is fine, but use kernel-package since it makes your life easier without ascrificing anything. and initrd is useless unless you do a distro kernel |
| 00:52.20 | azeem | marcot: check whether libpango1.0-0 is uptodate |
| 00:52.20 | P4C0 | azeem, actuall it's not there... i have lgda-2 but that's and old one... how can pkg-config tell something wrong? |
| 00:52.31 | grendal_prime | well..actually now that you mention it, not as root |
| 00:52.32 | azeem | P4C0: tell something wrong? |
| 00:52.34 | livingtm | so how do i configure grub with no initrd? |
| 00:52.44 | livingtm | initrd noinitrd? |
| 00:52.46 | beered | Is there a proxy mod that would allow users to browse internet only if they enter a password/user name? |
| 00:52.49 | P4C0 | azeem, yes, lgda-3 is missing... |
| 00:52.50 | grendal_prime | i just need that for root for the rsync |
| 00:52.55 | azeem | P4C0: so install it |
| 00:52.58 | wols | you just load the kernel. but when you use kernel-package you don't need any manual config. dpkg does all for you |
| 00:53.02 | P4C0 | how can I see what provides a debian packages?? is there a log? |
| 00:53.02 | grendal_prime | hmm good point |
| 00:53.05 | P4C0 | azeem, done |
| 00:53.31 | livingtm | wols, i actually would rather install it by hand, because that method works on all distros |
| 00:53.31 | P4C0 | azeem, even with: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install libgda2-3 libgda2-3-dbg libgda2-common libgda2-dev |
| 00:53.44 | loggygreg | livingtm: remove the initrd line in menu.lst |
| 00:53.50 | livingtm | loggygreg, thanks |
| 00:53.52 | marcot | thanks, I'll try a little bit more here. |
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| 00:54.13 | wols | livingtm: you only have one distro: debian. evreything else is OT. however you can still copy the files manually |
| 00:54.21 | P4C0 | is there a way to see what's inside those packages? (like a log?) without having to download the package and open it manually? |
| 00:54.28 | azeem | P4C0: so maybe Debian doesn't have libgda3 yet |
| 00:54.37 | azeem | eh |
| 00:54.51 | wols | P4C0: packages.debian.org |
| 00:54.56 | P4C0 | wols, thanks |
| 00:55.20 | livingtm | wols, actually i have more than debian. thanks though, hopefully what ive done will work! |
| 00:55.34 | beered | Are lp and lpr two different things? I can print with lp, but lpr doesn't work. I can also view lpr's queue, but nothing is printed out. |
| 00:55.49 | strk | dondelelcaro: dunno why, but apt-get remove --purge <all_those_packages> insisted to install gnome :!? |
| 00:56.50 | P4C0 | wols, that doesn't show what does the package have inside? |
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| 00:57.25 | eeyore- | hoo boy. that was fun :-) |
| 00:57.50 | streuner_ | eeyore-: hm, nullidentd installed? |
| 00:58.09 | wols | P4C0: every package has a link "list of files". now what do you think that will show you? |
| 00:58.12 | aNaPHaZe | 0000:1:08:0 is what it says my BusID is for my vid card .. the reconfig wouldn't accept that as a format so i put PCI:1:08:0 .. and i left the mouse BusID blank .. |
| 00:58.30 | P4C0 | wols, yes sorry, didn't see it until now :p |
| 00:58.42 | aNaPHaZe | and when i startx it gives me errors .. cannot open /dev/input/mice |
| 00:58.51 | stew | aNaPHaZe: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 00:59.01 | phaedral | etch app for archival backup copies of my dvds? |
| 00:59.13 | abrotman | aNaPHaZe: did you `modprobe mousedev` ? |
| 00:59.22 | aNaPHaZe | and no matching device for my vid |
| 00:59.23 | aNaPHaZe | no |
| 00:59.28 | aNaPHaZe | didn't know i should |
| 00:59.44 | P4C0 | is there a way to update pkg-config? |
| 00:59.49 | livingtm | what is the advantage of building kernel modules rather than adding those features to the kernel directly? Doesnt it all get loaded/run anyhow? |
| 00:59.53 | erhanr | P4C0: did you try apt-cache show blabla.... |
| 00:59.53 | wols | aNaPHaZe: you leave the BusID stuff for videocard blank |
| 01:00.01 | wols | livingtm: no |
| 01:00.30 | erhanr | boy it was last answer |
| 01:01.07 | livingtm | wols, if you build in support for a network adapter as a module, wont it just load the module into memory? |
| 01:01.13 | stew | livingtm: if its a module, you can unload it and reload it if it gets into a bad state, or some modules can take different parameters at load time |
| 01:01.30 | aNaPHaZe | so if i do modprobe mousedev before i run config for xserver-xfree86 .. then it will automatically find my mouse? |
| 01:01.46 | wols | livingtm: only if you tell it to |
| 01:01.51 | livingtm | stew but once you get it running smoothly, it may as well not be a module, right? |
| 01:01.52 | aNaPHaZe | and during setup i don't do anything for video or mouse? |
| 01:01.56 | stew | aNaPHaZe: no, but that will make /dev/input/mice exist on a 2.6 kernel |
| 01:02.07 | aNaPHaZe | oh |
| 01:02.14 | aNaPHaZe | damn i don't think i have a 2.6 kernal |
| 01:02.16 | stew | livingtm: sure, until you get a different ethernet card |
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| 01:02.30 | abrotman | stew: works on 2.4 too |
| 01:02.39 | livingtm | stew cant a module hang the kernel just as easily as building it in? |
| 01:02.57 | stew | livingtm: yes |
| 01:03.33 | livingtm | you have to tell it to load the modules right? it doesnt auto-detect the hardware and load the appropriate modules |
| 01:03.50 | stew | livingtm: many modules can be autodetected and loaded |
| 01:04.00 | livingtm | like if you configured everything in your kernel and built it all as modules |
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| 01:04.13 | stew | !discover |
| 01:04.13 | dpkg | i heard discover is a hardware identification system based on the libdiscover1 library, or see hotplug |
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| 01:04.58 | stew | livingtm: discover and hotplug are packages which will do hardware detection and autoload modules. if you are on testing/sid then udev replaces hotplug for some |
| 01:05.12 | kaiba | So, I'm installing debina, and during 'installing base system' it throws 'Warning: Failure trying to run: chroot /target mount -t proc proc /proc' |
| 01:05.22 | kaiba | weekly build of the testing image for powerpc |
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| 01:05.41 | SoloFlyer | anyone else running sid having problems using smbmount? |
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| 01:06.00 | stew | kaiba: i'd recomend checking the bts for the debian-insatller pseudo bug, asking #debianppc and asking #debian-boot |
| 01:06.04 | eeyore- | streuner: hmm? |
| 01:06.14 | aNaPHaZe | lol |
| 01:06.15 | aNaPHaZe | ok |
| 01:06.15 | stew | SoloFlyer: /msg dpkg bts |
| 01:06.21 | aNaPHaZe | so x window is open |
| 01:06.26 | kaiba | stew: Eh, can't get web ... nuked my only install before it failed ... no other systems .. :P |
| 01:06.31 | kaiba | off to debianppc... |
| 01:06.32 | aNaPHaZe | i see a grey window with black x in middle of it .. and NOTHING else |
| 01:06.47 | streuner_ | eeyore-: that's a simple question, isn't it? :-) |
| 01:06.49 | stew | kaiba: you can get to irc but not the web? how is that? what about querybts? |
| 01:07.09 | livingtm | aNaPHaZe, you have a windowmanager installed? |
| 01:07.09 | kaiba | stew: SSH to a webserver |
| 01:07.16 | stew | aNaPHaZe: do you wish to run gnome? kde? xfce? some window manager? |
| 01:07.25 | kaiba | stew: The businesscard cd includes an ssh client as a module but not lynx or links ... |
| 01:07.29 | stew | kaiba: a webserver certainly has web access |
| 01:07.32 | aNaPHaZe | i did apt-get x.window.system |
| 01:07.34 | aNaPHaZe | that's all i got |
| 01:07.37 | eeyore- | streuner: i think i have nullidentd, on this machine you mean? |
| 01:07.39 | aNaPHaZe | didn't know i had to get all kinds of other stuff |
| 01:07.52 | streuner_ | eeyore-: of course :-) |
| 01:07.57 | kaiba | stew:... d'oh :) Well, let me get done with IRC first and i'll have a peek around |
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| 01:08.05 | strk | ok, kde tried :) what for minimal GNOME ? |
| 01:08.06 | eeyore- | streuner: you were curious? |
| 01:08.14 | strk | !+install gnome |
| 01:08.15 | dpkg | To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 01:08.46 | streuner_ | eeyore-: 'foobar' before hostname shows usually that the user using nullidentd |
| 01:08.50 | eeyore- | oh that |
| 01:09.44 | Stevie | Or they're logged in as user foobar |
| 01:10.06 | eeyore- | there's no exploit for nullidentd is there? :-p |
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| 01:10.27 | streuner_ | heh, dunno, but there is for <2.6.16 :-) |
| 01:10.46 | eeyore- | streuner: remote exploits? |
| 01:11.27 | aNaPHaZe | !kernel 2.6 |
| 01:11.38 | streuner_ | well, on securityfocus was an article about, but i fear i don't get the URL yet |
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| 01:12.20 | phaedral | I am increasingly embarassed not to have figured out sooner just how smart dpkg is |
| 01:12.27 | phaedral | that guy knows everything! |
| 01:12.57 | livingtm | phaedral, problem is you need to knw how to use him |
| 01:12.59 | stew | !magic hate ball |
| 01:13.00 | phaedral | I know it's a drag for some of you oldtimers; but having dpkg talk in channel has helped immensely |
| 01:13.22 | streuner_ | 'dpkg' has the knowledge of many people, so you shouldn't be too depressed about his knowledge then ;-) |
| 01:14.09 | eeyore- | !botsex |
| 01:14.09 | dpkg | Ok! Drop your pants and bend over!, or http://www.scoutwalker.com/ |
| 01:14.18 | eeyore- | whose knowledge is *that* |
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| 01:14.30 | streuner_ | dpkg, factinfo botsex |
| 01:14.30 | dpkg | botsex -- last modified at Fri Sep 5 22:56:09 2003 by greycat!rfc1413@wooledge.org; it has been requested 17 times, last by liable at Fri Nov 25 03:39:22 2005. |
| 01:14.34 | streuner_ | haha |
| 01:14.46 | seb-- | how check if your debian system is messed up? |
| 01:14.49 | phaedral | livingtm: that's why I think we should let dpkg talk in channel a little more; get the newbies aware of him/her |
| 01:15.08 | Ronin | phaedral: oh ya thats just what we need a free talking bot |
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| 01:15.59 | phaedral | Ronin: I dig that y'all in the know would be driven to distraction thereby, but I can't help thinking a separate channel, #debian-based on, with a free talking dpkg would be one hell of a boon to everyone |
| 01:16.04 | streuner_ | eeyore-: well, sounds like fun to me :-) |
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| 01:17.02 | streuner_ | dpkg, listauth greycat |
| 01:17.05 | dpkg | factoid author list by 'greycat' (15 of 826): 0**0 ;; CMD: pal (.*?) ;; CMD: protect (.*?) ;; accelx ;; be unix barbie ;; bind version ;; dkdc ;; doublespeak ;; iraq ;; knfs ;; mosex ;; nocommand ;; qotd122 ;; vorbis 1.1 ;; woody g++. |
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| 01:18.17 | stew | streuner_: http://dpkg.vireo.org/search.php?q=streuner&term=author :) |
| 01:18.20 | eeyore- | i will have to read the scoutwalker site from home. i have a feeling it's nsfw |
| 01:18.50 | streuner_ | stew: i know the site :-) |
| 01:19.17 | streuner_ | what's 'nsfw'? |
| 01:19.30 | phobo | what's the bash command to solicit a text input from a user? e, g. so that in a bashscript you can do the evileent to "answer=askquestion 'what is your age?'; " |
| 01:19.35 | eeyore- | streuner: not safe for work |
| 01:19.49 | jmedina | phobo, read |
| 01:20.18 | livingtm | !initrd |
| 01:20.18 | dpkg | hmm... initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230 |
| 01:20.28 | phobo | cheers jmedina |
| 01:20.49 | stew | phobo: "help read" |
| 01:20.52 | livingtm | !modules |
| 01:20.52 | dpkg | modules is, like, a driver for a device (a part of a kernel) which can be dynamically loaded/unloaded.;; the Kernel's Secret Blend of Herbs and Spices, or to compile a module that doesn't come in the kernel, look into module-assistant |
| 01:21.06 | stew | livingtm: you can /msg the bot |
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| 01:21.34 | livingtm | stew, ah ok |
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| 01:21.52 | livingtm | stew of course then noone else benefitrs from the "conversation" |
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| 01:22.31 | phobo | stew: thanks, how do you put the value from 'read' into a variable? |
| 01:22.50 | phobo | var=`read -t "question" ` ? |
| 01:22.57 | garface | ok i just installed x-widows and kde with the apt-get x-window-server and apt-get kde. the screen resolution is all screwed up tho |
| 01:23.10 | livingtm | well, here goes nothin (new kernel) |
| 01:23.13 | stew | phobo: read -p "what is your age: " age ; echo $age |
| 01:23.15 | garface | what is the text file i need to edit? |
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| 01:24.02 | digijohn | Hey, anybody here using Debian on a Sun Ultra machine? |
| 01:24.03 | stew | !drxx garface |
| 01:24.03 | dpkg | garface: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 01:24.32 | stew | digijohn: try #debian-sparc |
| 01:24.54 | digijohn | stew: I have |
| 01:25.18 | streuner_ | ok, try #sparc then |
| 01:25.34 | streuner_ | if that doesn't help, subscribe to a ML of debian |
| 01:25.50 | streuner_ | most of us using x86... |
| 01:25.59 | streuner_ | here |
| 01:26.05 | digijohn | streuner: Okay, thanks |
| 01:26.31 | Coweater | or just ask and maybe someone will know |
| 01:27.27 | digijohn | I'm mainly x86 too, but I now have two SPARCs and I'm playing with those a lot |
| 01:28.31 | abrotman | you mean #debiansparc? |
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| 01:29.05 | digijohn | abrotman: No, it's #debian-sparc. #debiansparc doesn't exist |
| 01:29.41 | pipeline | digijohn: Install Solaris :P |
| 01:29.41 | digijohn | guh |
| 01:29.48 | digijohn | I want to be able to *use* the machine |
| 01:29.55 | digijohn | This thing is 174Mhz |
| 01:29.58 | digijohn | 64MB RAM |
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| 01:30.38 | abrotman | digijohn: whatever :) |
| 01:30.42 | mike4479 | hay guys anyone now any thing about the current issue is being worked on and progress made Base installl here http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today i |
| 01:30.49 | abrotman | digijohn: network book? xterminal? |
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| 01:31.29 | digijohn | abrotman: I'm thinking I'll try Debian. I have netbsd installed, but I'm not too comfortable with it. |
| 01:31.46 | no0tic | hi, it's possible for boot script to read boot options? |
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| 01:32.24 | dondelelcaro | no0tic: any script can. |
| 01:32.24 | Wyzard | no0tic: The boot-time kernel parameters are available in /proc/cmdline, which can be read by scripts |
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| 01:33.00 | marcot | azeem: No results with evolution. |
| 01:33.02 | no0tic | Wyzard, well, thanks, so I can append a new kernel parameter for a specific script |
| 01:33.07 | Wyzard | yep |
| 01:33.20 | marcot | marcot@tonhao:~$ evolution |
| 01:33.20 | marcot | marcot@tonhao:~$ |
| 01:33.23 | marcot | Nothing happens. |
| 01:33.33 | marcot | It goes to the next line without changing nothing. |
| 01:33.41 | no0tic | Wyzard, thanks, I hope /proc is mounted before I have to run this script ;) |
| 01:34.11 | Wyzard | marcot: Evolution (in unstable) had a bug yesterday that made it hang on startup... I see there's an NMU today, presumably meant to fix that |
| 01:34.26 | Wyzard | marcot: I haven't installed the update yet, but maybe it's still broken, in the way you're seeing? |
| 01:34.28 | mike4479 | hay guys anyone now any thing about the current issue is being worked on and progress made Base installl here http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today i |
| 01:34.30 | marcot | Wyzard: hum.. thanks.. |
| 01:34.56 | marcot | Wyzard: yesterday it was crashing, today it's not even opening. |
| 01:35.10 | abrotman | mike4479: ask #debian-boot |
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| 01:35.20 | marcot | Wyzard: but the yesteraday bug could be resolved with G_SLICE=always-malloc |
| 01:35.27 | mike4479 | abrotman: thanks |
| 01:35.30 | wols | mike4479: and check your calendar |
| 01:35.30 | Wyzard | marcot: You could try "strace evolution" to try to determine what it's doing wrong |
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| 01:35.42 | mandric | ping |
| 01:35.43 | Wyzard | marcot: I'm installing updates now, so I'll be able to check in a few minutes whether it works for me |
| 01:35.48 | mike4479 | Wols: ok 23 soon here |
| 01:35.54 | wols | soon != now |
| 01:35.57 | marcot | Wyzard: ok.. I'll try rebooting (!?) |
| 01:36.11 | Wyzard | marcot: Rebooting is very unlikely to make a difference |
| 01:36.15 | wols | marcot: why would you do that? |
| 01:36.19 | marcot | Wyzard: yes, I know.. |
| 01:36.31 | marcot | wols: cause I tried everything else. |
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| 01:36.44 | wols | marcot: you need to untrain your windows-repsonses |
| 01:36.54 | wols | reboots don't make anything better |
| 01:36.57 | marcot | wols: sometimes it works.. |
| 01:37.06 | marcot | a lot of times rebooting works. |
| 01:37.15 | wols | ..on windows |
| 01:37.16 | marcot | Sometimes it's not necessary, cause I could just restart some service. |
| 01:37.36 | Wyzard | marcot: Rebooting only helps when the problem is in some piece of software that can only be restarted by rebooting the whole system |
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| 01:37.40 | marcot | But if I don't know what service should I restart... |
| 01:37.46 | Wyzard | marcot: On Linux/Unix systems, there aren't many of those |
| 01:37.56 | wols | Wyzard: there is only the kernel in that regard |
| 01:38.01 | Wyzard | marcot: Evolution has nothing to do with system startup, though |
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| 01:38.04 | marcot | My point is that rebooting is almost never necessary. |
| 01:38.28 | marcot | But it's still an option for restarting some services. |
| 01:38.37 | Wyzard | yes |
| 01:38.42 | Wyzard | but Evolution is not a boot-time service |
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| 01:38.44 | marcot | I could reboot instead of restarting X and it would work, or restarting apache.. |
| 01:38.50 | marcot | yes, I know. |
| 01:38.58 | livingtm | kernel panick: unable to mount root file system /dev/hda |
| 01:39.09 | marcot | ok, be back in a minute. |
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| 01:39.16 | garface | dpkg: i did the reconfigure that you said but the graphics are still real awkward like everythings moved over to the side an inch. maby its not detecting my hardware correctly but it works perfectly with just the shell installed. |
| 01:39.16 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, garface |
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| 01:39.35 | wols | livingtm: dev/hda is probably not a root fs, or any fs. give your kernel the proper root= parameter |
| 01:39.38 | Wyzard | garface: dpkg is a bot |
| 01:39.39 | abrotman | dpkg: what are you |
| 01:39.39 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 01:39.50 | garface | lol |
| 01:40.21 | garface | this is my first time to run linux at all so im kinda drowning plz bear w me guys |
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| 01:40.45 | mrkorn | I somehow fucked my package database and it only shows the packages I just installed as installed.. says 148 packages installed and I have all of kde and gnome. How can I rebuild this information? |
| 01:41.12 | str8edge | has anyone been able to get the nvidia-kernel-module source to build with the new 2.6.16 kernel? |
| 01:41.46 | deadcat | str8edge: no one is using 2.6.16 |
| 01:41.56 | Wyzard | deadcat: I am, on my laptop |
| 01:42.01 | mrkorn | stfu |
| 01:42.03 | mrkorn | heh |
| 01:42.03 | str8edge | deadcat: It's in Sid |
| 01:42.15 | deadcat | str8edge: already? damn |
| 01:42.28 | Wyzard | went in yesterday, the day after it was released |
| 01:42.34 | str8edge | deadcat: It was there yesterday.. |
| 01:42.37 | mrkorn | damn |
| 01:42.41 | deadcat | wow. thats fast |
| 01:42.45 | mrkorn | yep |
| 01:42.53 | str8edge | and I can't get the nvidia stuff to compile :( |
| 01:42.57 | Wyzard | They've done same-day uploads for the last few releases |
| 01:43.05 | mrkorn | hows about the screwed package state information? |
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| 01:43.50 | str8edge | mrkorn: no easy way that I know of.. |
| 01:43.50 | Wyzard | mrkorn: It's hard for anyone to answer that without knowing more about what actually happened to the info |
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| 01:44.48 | mrkorn | Wyzard: well I was trying to reinstall grub and I first tried to jsut go through install and do it, but it wanted to reinstall base, and it kept failing, so I had to drop into console and chroot to grubinstall and now everything is working but my state info is gone |
| 01:45.12 | str8edge | mrkorn: what happens when you exit the chroot |
| 01:45.17 | str8edge | (type ctrl-d) |
| 01:45.31 | Wyzard | and... chroot into what, from what? |
| 01:45.31 | mrkorn | str8edge: I am back into my system booted to gnome and booted once to kde |
| 01:45.51 | mrkorn | grub install was a success but in synaptic the package state info is screwed |
| 01:46.06 | str8edge | does synaptic run? |
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| 01:46.15 | mrkorn | of course it runs I just installed 148 packages |
| 01:46.23 | mrkorn | they are all it says are installed |
| 01:46.29 | mrkorn | but there are more like 600 |
| 01:46.32 | Wyzard | mrkorn: What did you chroot into? |
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| 01:46.43 | str8edge | mrkorn: in /var/lib/dpkg/info there are *.list files... |
| 01:46.50 | mrkorn | Wyzard: /dev/hdb1 root fs from sarge iso 1 |
| 01:47.03 | Wyzard | ok |
| 01:47.30 | Wyzard | mrkorn: What's your partitioning layout? Everything on one big partition, or do you have different partitions for different parts of the filesystem? |
| 01:47.55 | Optical-dlz | I plugged a usb disk, but gnome-volume-manager didn't mount it automatically. And I found the usb disk in the output of lshal. How could I solve this problem? Any ideal ? |
| 01:47.56 | str8edge | you can get a list (ls *.list) and then use synaptic to reinstall all of your packages. |
| 01:48.13 | mrkorn | Wyzard: no I set him up with 5gb on hdb1, little swap on hdb2, 15gb home on hdb3/5 cant remember.. and windows on hda1 |
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| 01:48.19 | abrotman | or use dpkg --set-selections |
| 01:48.26 | aNaPHaZe | k |
| 01:48.39 | livingtm | wols, "root=/dev/hda2 ro" its the same cfg as the kernel im booted in right now |
| 01:48.40 | aNaPHaZe | gnome all loaded , xwindow open looks good |
| 01:48.44 | aNaPHaZe | now mouse still don't work |
| 01:48.46 | mrkorn | str8edge: ah shit thats gonna suck but I can script it I guess |
| 01:49.01 | str8edge | mrkorn: thats what i had to do a while ago.. |
| 01:49.05 | Wyzard | mrkorn: No separate partitions for /usr or /var or anything like that? |
| 01:49.19 | livingtm | wols, "root (hd0, 1)" |
| 01:49.25 | mrkorn | Wyzard: I gave you the partition table already :P |
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| 01:50.29 | Optical-dlz | I am using debian sid( kernel 2.6.15, udev 0.087-2 , dbus 0.61-5 , hal 0.57-2 , gnome-volume-manager 1.4.0-4) |
| 01:50.44 | str8edge | anyone else having problems getting nvidia-kernel-source to compile? |
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| 01:51.07 | ssh22 | Hi ! how can extract file from a file *.tar.tar pls hlp me |
| 01:51.29 | str8edge | ssh22: tar xvf <filename> |
| 01:51.35 | ssh22 | thx |
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| 01:51.43 | Wyzard | ssh22: That sounds like a .tar.gz file with its name mangled by a certain IE bug |
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| 01:52.08 | str8edge | in that case use tar zxvf <filename> |
| 01:52.11 | jknife | w/o reinstalling is there a way to uninstall everything but the base system? |
| 01:52.19 | Optical-dlz | str8edge: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=62021 < try this patch |
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| 01:52.34 | ssh22 | ok |
| 01:52.36 | ssh22 | thx |
| 01:52.39 | ssh22 | i wil try |
| 01:52.42 | str8edge | Optical-dlz cool! |
| 01:52.54 | roby | /sbin/ifconfig tells me that my eth0 ip is 169.254.224.93. But at boot the dhcp assigned me a 192.168.1.100 ip. Now it seems like I'm not even on the 192.168.1.* network, what's going on? |
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| 01:53.54 | roby | I'm using a Linksys router in my home network |
| 01:53.55 | Optical-dlz | str8edge: Somebody told me this works, I haven't test it yet. |
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| 01:54.14 | gass | hello there |
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| 01:54.37 | Wyzard | roby: The 169.254.x address is a zeroconf address that's unrelated to the one assigned by DHCP... if the DHCP process had succeeded you'd have both that and the "real" 192.168.* address |
| 01:54.45 | Wyzard | roby: so it sounds like your DHCP just didn't work |
| 01:55.09 | enveezee | how would I exclude several strings like foo and bar in a grep -v regex? |
| 01:55.12 | gass | how to enable suspend in debian, for laptop |
| 01:55.19 | aNaPHaZe | are there any keystrokes in xwindow to get out of it ? my mouse isn't working |
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| 01:55.30 | abrotman | ctrl-alt-bksp |
| 01:55.43 | aNaPHaZe | thanks abrotman |
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| 01:56.27 | magyar | I modified /etc/apt/preferences to pin a package but it doesnt work. No upgrades are done |
| 01:56.43 | TraceGreen | hello, ascii is between 0x20 and 0x7f, but not include 0x20 and 0x7f, right? |
| 01:56.59 | magyar | !hi |
| 01:56.59 | dpkg | hello, magyar |
| 01:57.16 | jknife | !bob |
| 01:57.16 | dpkg | well, bob is the almighty spleened one. |
| 01:57.19 | menko | hi people apt-get is currently download updates, how can I limit it's bandwidth? |
| 01:57.40 | avar | menko: "its" |
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| 01:57.56 | menko | avar: sorry lol |
| 01:57.57 | magyar | can someone help a brother with pinning in sarge? |
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| 01:58.07 | menko | avar: I don't even know why I wrote that... |
| 01:58.21 | avar | magyar: what does that mean? |
| 01:58.27 | avar | Seriously, I have no idea what you want |
| 01:58.32 | itrebal | whats teh program to see harddrive usage? |
| 01:58.34 | archie | menko, maybe tc, if you can get a hand on it.. |
| 01:58.48 | menko | itrebal: df |
| 01:58.48 | niaht | magyar: Anything this http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html won't solve for you? |
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| 01:58.53 | archie | menko, rc / iproute2 .. |
| 01:58.55 | abrotman | menko: trickle |
| 01:59.07 | abrotman | !pinning |
| 01:59.08 | dpkg | hmm... apt-pinning is read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. |
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| 01:59.34 | menko | k thanks people I would try installing some of that but my apt is locked |
| 01:59.36 | magyar | abrotman, you still rock |
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| 01:59.45 | magyar | niaht, thks |
| 01:59.49 | niaht | np |
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| 02:00.07 | archie | menko, you'd better look for trickle... iproute / rc .. is pretty difficult to handle.. |
| 02:00.15 | kalepos | anyone ever opened an .ace in linux? |
| 02:00.26 | pingouin | unace |
| 02:00.30 | menko | archie: ok |
| 02:00.39 | pingouin | kalepos: unace but..i dont remerber where i found it... |
| 02:00.41 | kalepos | pingouin: debian-safe? gpled or something like that? |
| 02:00.48 | gass | where can i find info about debian on laptop |
| 02:00.51 | niaht | kalepos: unace is apt-get install unace |
| 02:00.57 | kalepos | niaht: ok, phat, thanks |
| 02:01.07 | pingouin | as simply as apt ;) |
| 02:01.17 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 02:01.17 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org , and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 02:01.21 | menko | how often do these huge updates happen with sid? |
| 02:01.34 | itrebal | what programs should one install for a linux laptop? i just got acpi stuff |
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| 02:01.48 | enveezee | ok, "ls /var/lib/dpkg/info | cut -d \. -f 1 | uniq | tr "\n" " " | xargs apt-get install" isnt working its bitching about what appears to be a bunch of meta-packages dont exist. this is my best guess at recovering my state information.. heh |
| 02:01.55 | itrebal | im thinking like.... powersave things maybe? |
| 02:02.15 | enveezee | \E: Couldn't find package guile-1 |
| 02:02.21 | menko | also, I had to download different dri drivers for my sis to get dri working, is this a known issue? |
| 02:02.22 | enveezee | for example.. |
| 02:03.00 | phobo | what's wrong with the following, it says ./suck_site: line 43: [: missing `]' |
| 02:03.01 | phobo | if [ "$LOGNAME" && "$LOGNAME" != "root" ]; then |
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| 02:03.22 | gass | !suspend |
| 02:03.22 | dpkg | somebody said suspend was check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , no apm nor acpi is required or suspend2 (msg dpkg about - works for me beautifully!!) |
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| 02:03.27 | niaht | phobo: s/&&/-a/ |
| 02:03.48 | Skrot | Hi. Is there a way to check which resource is using a specific kernel module? |
| 02:03.54 | phobo | niaht: cheers |
| 02:04.02 | abrotman | Skrot: maybe fuser or lsof ... |
| 02:05.04 | archie | Skrot, modinfo, lsof... ???? |
| 02:05.05 | magyar | !NON-US |
| 02:05.05 | dpkg | from memory, non-us is where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2005/05/msg01355.html |
| 02:05.22 | archie | Skrot, good question at least |
| 02:05.52 | niaht | I wonder if that legislation should be trusted to not change. |
| 02:06.12 | str8edge | Optical-dlz: check out http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=357992 |
| 02:06.12 | Skrot | hehe, well.. problem is cpufreq, anyone familiar with it? It says my centrino only has "performance" avalible as governors, but I know atleast "ondemand" should be there.. bugger! |
| 02:06.22 | jknife | w/o reinstalling is there a way to uninstall everything but the base system? |
| 02:06.34 | abrotman | jknife: yes .. start uninstalling :) |
| 02:06.40 | jknife | lol |
| 02:06.44 | enveezee | hmm maybe my friend aptitude can help me since nobody in here knows.. |
| 02:06.53 | jknife | i was hopeing for a one liner |
| 02:07.12 | abrotman | enveezee: wtf are you trying to do? |
| 02:07.18 | niaht | jknife: If you were to hunt out any optional packages you have installed (that info is available) you might have some success.. and yes, I suppose one could make a one liner. |
| 02:07.23 | archie | Skrot, no you have to go in /sys.. |
| 02:07.41 | enveezee | abrotman: I completly fucked the package state info on this box. looks like aptitude can handle it though, so no worries |
| 02:07.46 | Optical-dlz | str8edge: I see. thanks |
| 02:07.47 | abrotman | jknife: apt-cache knows what's in base ... |
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| 02:07.58 | abrotman | enveezee: that's because aptitude uses a differentdatabase |
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| 02:08.03 | enveezee | abrotman: said I had like 148 packages installed when I have at least 5 or 10 times that much |
| 02:08.04 | abrotman | enveezee: how did you fuck it up ? |
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| 02:08.25 | enveezee | abrotman: man, I recovered the system the wrong way :P |
| 02:08.27 | niaht | jknife: it'll yell at you too if you try to uninstall anything that is marked such. |
| 02:08.39 | jknife | ok |
| 02:08.44 | abrotman | enveezee: you couldn't get it out of the /var/lib/dpkg/status/ or whatever it is ? |
| 02:08.51 | marcot | wols: Wyzard: You won't believe me. |
| 02:09.11 | itrebal | gass: I looked at it, but its saying 'woah! no files found' |
| 02:09.20 | archie | Skrot, /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq |
| 02:09.21 | Wyzard | marcot: Rebooting fixed it? |
| 02:09.27 | marcot | Wyzard: yes. |
| 02:09.38 | jknife | note to self dont install ubuntu and then switch to etch(ubuntu came with some pkgs i needed and i didn't know if they were on the CD1) |
| 02:09.40 | Reilithion | lol |
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| 02:09.50 | archie | Skrot, cat scaling_available_governor |
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| 02:10.01 | Wyzard | marcot: You probably had an existing instance of evolution running |
| 02:10.06 | enveezee | abrotman: for all I know thats what I hosed running the D-I install base.. cause it wanted to do that to install grub,.. after that failed I dropped into console and pretended to know grub syntax and belted out grub-install hd0 like I knew wtf I was doing and it worked (after chroot /target of course) |
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| 02:10.18 | Wyzard | marcot: When you run evolution and another instance is already running, it tells the first one to open a new window and then exits |
| 02:10.27 | Skrot | archie: I know, problem was cpufreq-ondemand wasn't loaded |
| 02:11.29 | abrotman | enveezee: ls -1 *.list | awk -F "." '{print $1}' > somedamnfile |
| 02:11.34 | archie | Skrot, sorry, didn't know the issue was already solved |
| 02:11.35 | abrotman | enveezee: then . use --set-selections ? |
| 02:12.11 | Skrot | archie: Appreciated anyway. Thanks :) |
| 02:12.14 | gpm | howdy folks. i just installed 2.6.16 (-1-686, on sid, the debian stock version) and i'm trying to build the nvidia module for it, and module-assistant complains "Warning, /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.16-1 seems to contain unconfigured kernel source!" and the build fails. any clues/advice? BTS has nothing on this, so i suspect i might be screwing up somehow. |
| 02:13.05 | enveezee | abrotman: aptitude is working on reinstalling all teh packages so it will fix it I guess |
| 02:13.17 | abrotman | it uses a different database |
| 02:13.42 | Stevie | 2.6.16's kconfig has an annoying design flaw |
| 02:14.01 | jknife | Stevie? |
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| 02:14.09 | Stevie | eh? |
| 02:14.14 | niaht | gpm: you are pretty much on your own there. We (the people) really arn't ready for 2.6.16. |
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| 02:14.17 | unstable | I installed wifi-radar from ubuntu and it works fine, and I've been running it for awhile now. Why does it take so long for wifi-radar to go into unstable/testing? |
| 02:14.24 | jknife | "2.6.16's kconfig has an annoying design flaw" |
| 02:14.26 | Stevie | if your ncurses headers aren't in any of the preset locations, make menuconfig won't work even if you do CFLAGS="-I/path/to/ncurses/headers/" |
| 02:14.26 | gpm | niaht: um, it's in sid. |
| 02:14.32 | unstable | There has been the svn/wifi-radar on alioth for like 300 days now i believe |
| 02:14.36 | iank | Does anything horrible happen if I attempt to install the stable version of rdiff-backup on unstable? And, how do I go about doing that? |
| 02:14.56 | niaht | gpm: That is correct, so that folks who wish to help out, can do so along with Debian. |
| 02:15.15 | gpm | Stevie: i'm not trying to configure the kernel. i like the stock config, i'm trying to install an external module |
| 02:15.26 | dondelelcaro | unstable: because whoever is packaging it hasn't uploaded it. ask them. |
| 02:15.31 | archie | unstable, lack of human resource i suppose |
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| 02:15.53 | Stevie | gpm: Well, last night *I* was trying to configure the kernel. And going nuts wondering why menuconfig wasn't working |
| 02:15.56 | marcot | Now my X is crashing. |
| 02:16.16 | archie | Stevie, make menuconfig ? |
| 02:16.17 | gpm | niaht: yeah, but other people here are using unstable, i thought some of them might be able to help me, since the linux-image-2.6-* package is now linked with 2.6.16 |
| 02:16.21 | jknife | gpm: there is a one liner around here some where... ask dpkg about it |
| 02:16.23 | Stevie | archie: what about it? |
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| 02:16.28 | niaht | gpm: I am presently using unstable myself. |
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| 02:16.41 | archie | Stevie, no sorry... it just surprises me much too |
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| 02:16.55 | gpm | jknife: a one-liner about 2.6.16? or nvidia. i know the nvidia one-liner |
| 02:16.55 | david_ | hey guys. im trying to make mpd start from bootup. there is an /etc/init.d/mpd but how to i make it execute from boot? |
| 02:17.05 | archie | Stevie, i am so used to it.. i might go and download the last kernel then, to have a look.. |
| 02:17.05 | modelo | hola nadie habla espaol |
| 02:17.09 | abrotman | !es |
| 02:17.09 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 02:17.10 | unstable | david_: update-rc.d -f mpd defaults |
| 02:17.16 | david_ | thank you |
| 02:17.19 | jknife | gpm: you're trying to install the nvidia kernel right? |
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| 02:17.27 | jknife | or am i that fucked up? |
| 02:17.38 | Stevie | archie: It seems that it's because they put in code to try automagically determining whether to -lncurses or -lcursesw; if the header file isn't in any of the expected locations, it doesn't actually -lanything |
| 02:17.58 | gpm | jknife: i'm tyring to install the nvidia module for 2.6.16 building it from nvidia-kernel-source, with the assistant of module-assistant |
| 02:18.04 | gpm | *assistance |
| 02:18.09 | archie | Stevie, oh , then just normal :) |
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| 02:18.22 | jknife | which is more upto date sid or etch? |
| 02:19.24 | dvs | jknife: sid |
| 02:19.25 | jknife | gpm: ok |
| 02:19.25 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 02:19.25 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 02:19.25 | lavi | excuse me. my useing evaluationed program mIRC will be expire. what r u using program with irc? |
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| 02:19.26 | jknife | lavi: in stall irssi |
| 02:19.26 | unstable | jknife: Don't use sid if you run kde/gnome because it will most likely break with every new version from upstream. |
| 02:19.26 | Gnea | !your mom |
| 02:19.26 | dpkg | somebody said your mom was my hoe |
| 02:19.26 | jknife | install* |
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| 02:19.38 | jknife | unstable: i use ion3, xfce4 and fluxbox |
| 02:19.45 | unstable | !tell lavi about xchat |
| 02:19.56 | gpm | abrotman: that doesn't really answer my question, but thanks for the refresher. |
| 02:19.57 | jknife | mIRC has a linux port?!?!?! |
| 02:20.01 | Gnea | lavi: xchat is cross-platform |
| 02:20.17 | Gnea | jknife: you didn't know? |
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| 02:20.20 | jknife | no |
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| 02:20.31 | unstable | jknife: You should go with testing first(etch) and see hwo you like that. |
| 02:20.38 | unstable | !tell jknife about etch |
| 02:20.44 | jknife | unstable: i am on etch |
| 02:20.55 | Gnea | jknife: hehe, i was kidding - there is no mirc port to linux |
| 02:20.59 | unstable | jknife: What is the problem? |
| 02:21.03 | gpm | mirc sucks anyway |
| 02:21.05 | jknife | nothing |
| 02:21.07 | jknife | j/w |
| 02:21.07 | unstable | You can run mirc in wine. |
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| 02:21.18 | lavi | my os is winxp |
| 02:21.22 | Gnea | mirc is stupid |
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| 02:21.31 | dvs | !lart lavi |
| 02:21.31 | unstable | yea, I agree. |
| 02:21.32 | Gnea | lavi: well we run debian in here. |
| 02:21.32 | jknife | but still.. hes running linux and hasnt heard of IRSSI, BitchX, or XChat? |
| 02:21.49 | abrotman | no .. he's running windows |
| 02:21.51 | jknife | lavi: what Gnea said |
| 02:21.55 | abrotman | lavi: /join #xchat |
| 02:22.01 | jknife | abrotman: i just saw that |
| 02:22.03 | Gnea | abrotman: he should be running linux. |
| 02:22.05 | lavi | yeah , i run debian with vmware. |
| 02:22.06 | Gnea | :) |
| 02:22.07 | dbe | lavi, what a terrible OS |
| 02:22.11 | abrotman | Gnea: he's probably stupid? :) |
| 02:22.11 | gpm | oooooooooh |
| 02:22.16 | jknife | abrotman: lol |
| 02:22.24 | Gnea | lavi: i run winxp in vmware with linux as the host os - much, much more efficient |
| 02:22.37 | jknife | and more stable |
| 02:22.37 | gpm | hehe |
| 02:22.41 | Gnea | indeed |
| 02:22.44 | dbe | Gnea, it's GNU/Linux, not Linux |
| 02:22.46 | gpm | missionaries |
| 02:22.50 | jknife | never have to restart with linux :-/ |
| 02:22.50 | gpm | and anals |
| 02:22.56 | Gnea | dbe: i said linux, not Linux! |
| 02:22.56 | gpm | time to leave. |
| 02:23.18 | dbe | Gnea, i'm just paranoid ;) |
| 02:23.32 | Gnea | dbe: that's what your mom said, too ;) |
| 02:23.36 | jknife | lol |
| 02:23.48 | Gnea | last night |
| 02:23.50 | Gnea | in bed |
| 02:23.56 | unstable | !start a distro war |
| 02:23.57 | dpkg | Kubuntu rocks! |
| 02:23.58 | Gnea | !beer dbe |
| 02:24.08 | iank | Does anything horrible happen if I attempt to install the stable version of rdiff-backup on unstable? And, how do I go about doing that? |
| 02:24.18 | dbe | Gnea, you are not free my friend |
| 02:24.22 | unstable | iank: Why would you want to do that? |
| 02:24.44 | Auggie | !gpm? |
| 02:24.44 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, gpm is if you can get your mouse to work in GPM but not X, set repeat_type=ms3 in /etc/gpm.conf ; /etc/init.d/gpm restart; set X to use device /dev/gpmdata and protocol Intellimouse; or (see http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-install.en.html#s-gpm also), or talk to peterS for he is the master |
| 02:24.44 | iank | unstable: rdiff-backup misbehaves is versions are wildley different from machine to machine. |
| 02:24.48 | Gnea | dbe: free? what's that? |
| 02:25.06 | iank | unstable: I have one unstable box, and lots of stable boxen. I'd prefer to downgrade the unstable box, rather than upgrade many stable. |
| 02:25.06 | Gnea | dbe: i was being heavily sarcastic :) |
| 02:25.06 | dbe | Gnea, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free |
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| 02:25.11 | unstable | iank: Why are you running unstable if you don't know how to get yourself out of the messes you put yourself in? |
| 02:25.14 | unstable | !tell iank about unstable |
| 02:25.19 | iank | ... |
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| 02:25.25 | iank | Wow, I love #debian |
| 02:25.34 | Auggie | !tell auggie about unstable |
| 02:25.35 | Gnea | dbe: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm |
| 02:25.47 | iank | unstable: I'm just asking a simple question: Does anyone have any experience with what happens when you do this, before I go and waste my time doing it? |
| 02:25.52 | dbe | Gnea, I allready know your type |
| 02:25.53 | iank | It is a simple question, with a simple answer. |
| 02:26.01 | iank | If you know the answer, answer. If you don't, please don't. |
| 02:26.08 | iank | I know what unstable is. |
| 02:26.26 | unstable | Auggie: /msg dpkg unstable; /msg dpkg help; |
| 02:26.28 | iank | !tell unstable about elitism |
| 02:26.30 | dbe | iank, yes, unstable is like Gnea |
| 02:26.37 | unstable | !tell Auggie about msgdpkg |
| 02:26.41 | Gnea | dbe: my 'type'? |
| 02:27.04 | Gnea | dude, i don't have a type, please don't try to categorize me :) |
| 02:27.26 | Auggie | pardon me |
| 02:28.09 | Gnea | Auggie: what's up? |
| 02:28.14 | dondelelcaro | iank: just install the stable version if you want it. |
| 02:28.20 | Auggie | ??? |
| 02:28.29 | Gnea | Auggie: 19:27 < Auggie> pardon me |
| 02:28.39 | Auggie | Gnea: Just lurking |
| 02:28.43 | Gnea | oh ok |
| 02:28.46 | dondelelcaro | iank: if it won't let you install, it's because it depends on versions of libraries that aren't present in unstable anymore, so you'll be stuck running a later verison. |
| 02:28.55 | Auggie | Gnea: unstable is getting righteous |
| 02:28.58 | iank | Ok. Thanks dondelelcaro. |
| 02:29.04 | Gnea | dbe: so, what exactly is my type? |
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| 02:29.18 | niaht | piece of carp erp system... blarg |
| 02:29.20 | iank | Helpful vs not-helpful. Figure out which is which and you get ten points =) |
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| 02:29.53 | dbe | Gnea, have you ever made a SWOT analyse on your persona? |
| 02:30.18 | abrotman | eww .. a manager |
| 02:30.22 | Gnea | dbe: i've made many analysis of my persona, but I fail to see the context here |
| 02:30.41 | abrotman | dpkg: you're slow |
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| 02:30.52 | dvs | abrotman: must be a hangover |
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| 02:32.08 | dondelelcaro | iank: baiting people isn't particularly helpfull either... |
| 02:32.17 | kasje872429 | Hi!!!!!! |
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| 02:33.29 | daeos | has anyone setup SSH and VNC before on the same box for a remote connection |
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| 02:34.24 | Coweater | please don't poll, just ask about your problem |
| 02:34.35 | Gnea | dbe: hrm, interesting reading... |
| 02:34.35 | Auggie | daeos: to connect at the same time? |
| 02:34.51 | iank | dondelelcaro: no, it's not. I apologize. Just tired of people assuming I'm stupid because I ask a question they know the answer to. |
| 02:34.54 | dbe | what Gnea? |
| 02:35.08 | Gnea | dbe: the SWOT |
| 02:35.20 | roby | Wyzard: any ideas on what I should do to figure out why dhcp is not working here? |
| 02:35.30 | daeos | im trying to setup vnc server and ssh on the same machine so i can tunnel into it securly |
| 02:35.31 | abrotman | oh ffs .. this is like psych-analysis night |
| 02:35.41 | dvs | abrotman: what do you think? |
| 02:35.46 | dvs | ;-) |
| 02:35.51 | Coweater | daeos: you want vnc over ssh? |
| 02:35.56 | daeos | yes |
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| 02:35.59 | Gnea | daeos: isn't that a VPN? |
| 02:36.00 | abrotman | dvs: i think you're all self-absorbed weenies :) |
| 02:36.07 | Auggie | daeos: tunneling over ssh isn't a really good idea |
| 02:36.12 | dbe | it use to do it's job Gnea, I use one analysis for OS, works perfect. |
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| 02:36.24 | abrotman | its |
| 02:36.28 | roby | Wyzard: even though i get a zeroconf address, internet connection still works |
| 02:36.34 | niaht | Auggie: Curious, why is that? |
| 02:36.35 | daeos | Auggie: why is that? i've used window's remote desktop and never hand an issue |
| 02:36.36 | Gnea | dbe: perfect, eh? |
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| 02:36.46 | Auggie | daeos: over ssh? |
| 02:36.54 | abrotman | Auggie: how is it a bad idea? |
| 02:37.01 | jkaufman | hey abrotman :) |
| 02:37.04 | abrotman | hi! |
| 02:37.06 | jkaufman | got a question for ya :P |
| 02:37.10 | jkaufman | wait |
| 02:37.12 | jkaufman | how rude of me :P |
| 02:37.16 | deadcat | !enter |
| 02:37.16 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 02:37.19 | jkaufman | how have ya been? |
| 02:37.20 | Gnea | !tell jkaufman about ask |
| 02:37.26 | abrotman | someone pick a car for me! |
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| 02:37.28 | daeos | Auggie: i've done vnc on windows using ssh so now im tring to do it on linux /debian and i didn't think it would be an issue, but figureing out how to do it, is my issue |
| 02:37.32 | Auggie | tunneling over ssh can cause issues with tcp window sizes |
| 02:37.37 | dvs | abrotman: Yaris |
| 02:37.38 | niaht | Honda Element |
| 02:37.46 | jkaufman | Gnea, i really wasn't talking to you... thanks though. |
| 02:37.46 | Gnea | Auggie: you're smoking crack |
| 02:37.48 | abrotman | dvs: i'm not canadian .. and i won't drive an SUV |
| 02:37.48 | Auggie | daeos: using pptp might be easier |
| 02:37.53 | niaht | lol |
| 02:37.57 | dvs | abrotman: it's anything BUT an SUV |
| 02:38.16 | wireddd | Gnea, I agree |
| 02:38.23 | L33TrDaNu | i am usig make-kpkg to make my custom kernel...however i gave it a revision of c1, but when I install it conflicts with my existing /lib/modules/2.6.12 |
| 02:38.40 | L33TrDaNu | how do i set it so it tries to install with 2.16.12-c1 ? |
| 02:38.43 | Gnea | jkaufman: that's okay, you didn't have a nick: in front, so the discussion was rather malformed to begin with |
| 02:38.45 | abrotman | jkaufman: anyways .. what's the question ? |
| 02:39.00 | dvs | L33TrDaNu: Use the --append-to-version option |
| 02:39.03 | niaht | L33TrDaNu: *cringe* --append-to-version |
| 02:39.05 | daeos | Auggie: pptp is that like telnet server? |
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| 02:39.16 | L33TrDaNu | niaht: why do you cringe? |
| 02:39.18 | L33TrDaNu | dvs, niaht thx |
| 02:39.19 | abrotman | jkaufman: base-config |
| 02:39.33 | Auggie | gnea: http://sites.inka.de/~bigred/devel/tcp-tcp.html |
| 02:39.36 | niaht | L33TrDaNu: Because I hope at least it has the desired effect. |
| 02:39.54 | Auggie | daeos: it is a form of vpn |
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| 02:40.05 | Gnea | Auggie: good point, that's why i prefer tcp over udp |
| 02:40.07 | niaht | Auggie: Wouldn't that leave you with an unencrypted tunnel? |
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| 02:40.09 | wireddd | !nickometer L33TrDaNu |
| 02:40.11 | dpkg | 'L33TrDaNu' is 63.000% lame, wireddd |
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| 02:40.25 | Auggie | you can easily encrypt it |
| 02:40.30 | Gnea | Auggie, daeos: try OpenVPN |
| 02:40.34 | dbe | that's how I figured out that Ututo is the only free GNU/Linux distribution Gnea |
| 02:40.37 | Gnea | !openvpn |
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| 02:40.51 | Jimz | Could someone suggest something to view jpgs via X? |
| 02:40.57 | Gnea | dbe: Ututo? |
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| 02:41.05 | daeos | Openvpn.... is that going to support xserver? |
| 02:41.05 | Auggie | or http://www.poptop.org/ |
| 02:41.07 | Gnea | Jimz: feh |
| 02:41.10 | dbe | join us Gnea, #ututo |
| 02:41.11 | abrotman | jkaufman: did it work? |
| 02:41.24 | Gnea | dbe: thanks but no thanks, got enough on my plate :) |
| 02:41.42 | niaht | daeos: Doesn't need to. It just handles the network layer. |
| 02:42.04 | dbe | Ututo allows only free software, non-free respositores does not exist for the OS |
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| 02:42.34 | Jimz | Gnea: thanks |
| 02:42.34 | Gnea | there's nothing wrong with non-free repos |
| 02:42.36 | Wyzard | roby: ah... I think I see what the problem is... you said you're using ifconfig to check your IP address? |
| 02:42.40 | Gnea | Jimz: no problem |
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| 02:43.01 | squallbsr | Can anybody help me fix my apt databases. I had a hardware failure during an apt-get and now apt/dpkg doesn't work at all. |
| 02:43.04 | dbe | why Gnea? |
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| 02:43.12 | samuel | sup all, anyone know how to get around the grave usability bug in the latest evolution (currently in sid) where it crashes whenever it tries to view an email? |
| 02:43.13 | abrotman | squallbsr: what's the error ? |
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| 02:43.24 | Wyzard | roby: ifconfig (which is somewhat deprecated, btw) only shows the first address on an interface... you probably have both the zeroconf IP and the real one, but ifconfig only shows you the zerconf one |
| 02:43.29 | Gnea | dbe: because they're not enabled by default |
| 02:43.39 | squallbsr | E: Encountered a section with no Package: header |
| 02:43.47 | Gnea | dbe: it's an option, rather than shoving something down someone's throat |
| 02:43.50 | squallbsr | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_dapper_main_binary-amd64_Packages |
| 02:43.52 | Wyzard | roby: Install iproute and run "ip addr show"... you should see both IPs there |
| 02:44.05 | dbe | Gnea, but many softwares is non-free and it takes away the freedom from the user |
| 02:44.06 | wireddd | squallbsr, you can't apt-get update? |
| 02:44.13 | squallbsr | the second error mentions stuff about increasing a buffer size, but I don't think that is the problem |
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| 02:44.20 | Gnea | dbe: freedom isn't free. |
| 02:44.25 | Gnea | !ubuntu |
| 02:44.25 | dpkg | Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntulinux.org and/or visit #ubuntu, right here on IRC. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
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| 02:44.40 | squallbsr | I wasn't able to earlier, however it did an update just now |
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| 02:45.01 | wireddd | !tell squallbsr about ubuntu |
| 02:45.11 | dbe | Gnea, free software is closer to freedom then proprietary software and Open Source |
| 02:45.32 | Gnea | dbe: it's also closer to a crippled economy |
| 02:45.34 | renga | hi, im trying to configure a optical trackman logitech, someone can help me? |
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| 02:45.40 | rigel | hey, my box froze and i had to powercycle it, and now it only comes up at 640x480, theres not even an option to change it in the preferences menu |
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| 02:45.49 | squallbsr | wireddd: This is ubuntu |
| 02:45.52 | rigel | how do i change it? |
| 02:45.58 | dbe | Gnea, yes, but it's not about prize |
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| 02:46.05 | abrotman | wtf is libtool?! |
| 02:46.07 | wireddd | squallbsr, this is #debian |
| 02:46.07 | dvs | squallbsr: This channel isn't |
| 02:46.13 | niaht | rigel: ?? preferences menu ?? |
| 02:46.15 | rigel | gnea: economy schmeconomy. fuck an economy. |
| 02:46.27 | dbe | Gnea, its about free software |
| 02:46.32 | Gnea | rigel: that's how wars start. |
| 02:46.40 | squallbsr | apt-(get|cache|etc) is the same on debian and ubuntu |
| 02:46.49 | abrotman | no |
| 02:46.50 | rigel | yes, i'm using demudi/agnula, and gnome has an application > preferences > screen resolution menu |
| 02:46.55 | rigel | gnea: whatever punk |
| 02:46.56 | abrotman | squallbsr: please go to #ubuntu |
| 02:47.11 | niaht | rigel: ahhh.. much more clear. |
| 02:47.11 | Gnea | dbe: please, save me the speech, i've heard it hundreds of times before |
| 02:47.17 | Gnea | rigel: pardon? |
| 02:47.19 | squallbsr | What if I'm getting the same error on my Debian 3.1 system? |
| 02:47.20 | abrotman | Gnea: wtf is LIBTOOL?!!? |
| 02:47.22 | rigel | take your freemarketeer trolling elsewhere plzkthx |
| 02:47.24 | abrotman | squallbsr: but you're not |
| 02:47.26 | Gnea | rigel: what's your problem? |
| 02:47.31 | dbe | Gnea, and you still don't get it |
| 02:47.35 | Gnea | !troll rigel |
| 02:47.41 | dvs | squallbsr: it might take a different set of commands to get it right |
| 02:47.42 | curt | abrotman, /msg dpkg libtool :) |
| 02:47.52 | livingtm | okay, made a new kernel, ran make install.. pointed grub to the new image. On boot i get "VFS: Cannot open root device "hda2" or Unknown-Block(0,0)... Thing is, my grub entry is exactly the same for every image ive always used, only the image name is changed |
| 02:47.54 | Gnea | dbe: speak for yourself, this conversation is now over. |
| 02:47.55 | dbe | squallbsr, join us at #ututo |
| 02:47.58 | rigel | sp can anyone help me with my screen resolution problem? |
| 02:48.01 | Gnea | !troll dbe |
| 02:48.06 | squallbsr | dbe: what is ututo? |
| 02:48.16 | abrotman | curt: that was worthless |
| 02:48.17 | rigel | !troll gnea |
| 02:48.30 | curt | abrotman, don't get mad at me |
| 02:48.33 | renga | rigel, tell me |
| 02:48.44 | rigel | hey, my box froze and i had to powercycle it, and now it only comes up at 640x480, theres not even an option to change it in the preferences menu |
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| 02:48.53 | rigel | yes, i'm using demudi/agnula, and gnome has an application > preferences > screen resolution menu |
| 02:49.03 | rigel | i shouldnt be using gnome, really |
| 02:49.06 | rigel | it sucks |
| 02:49.11 | Gnea | !tell rigel about ask |
| 02:49.14 | dbe | Gnea, check if your doctor is on drugs |
| 02:49.16 | niaht | rigel: I tend to prefer working directly with the x config file. Those preferences menus, while handy, arn't always. (this is my suggestion, and I'll leave the rest for someone more inclined) |
| 02:49.17 | rigel | but thats what came with agnula |
| 02:49.27 | dbe | squallbsr, I thought you knowed |
| 02:49.42 | rigel | gnea: stuff it |
| 02:49.56 | Azar | use /ignore my friend |
| 02:50.16 | rigel | wtf |
| 02:50.16 | abrotman | curt: i'm not .. i've just never had an app ask for it when compiling :) |
| 02:50.24 | daeos | anyone here using BitchX ? trying to use it is rather hard =D and im not used to it |
| 02:50.34 | rigel | okay, now apparently my sshd didnt come up wither |
| 02:50.41 | curt | abrotman, compiling what pray tell? |
| 02:50.44 | Gnea | heh. |
| 02:50.47 | renga | check de monitor refresh rates in the x config file |
| 02:50.49 | abrotman | curt: wired |
| 02:51.00 | renga | rigel, check de monitor refresh rates in the x config file |
| 02:51.23 | squallbsr | dbe: Nope, didn't knoe |
| 02:51.49 | rigel | renga: oh, in the config file. |
| 02:51.53 | rigel | sec |
| 02:51.54 | daeos | in reference to pptp .... i need something that supports a way to see X, i need it for multiple users to be able to remotely log into my machine |
| 02:52.03 | dbe | squallbsr, please speak with me in at #ututo |
| 02:52.14 | niaht | daeos: bitchx is *very* much an rtfm topic.. I've used it for years (no, not at the moment), and it still confuses me at times. |
| 02:52.45 | wireddd | daeos, do you want them all to see the same x session? |
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| 02:52.48 | niaht | daeos: May I suggest a pay-for product that runs on debian quite nicely, and is worth the dough? |
| 02:53.22 | daeos | being that im using BitchX i have yet figured out how to repond to queries :D and then switch back to the main chat |
| 02:53.37 | abrotman | use irssi |
| 02:53.50 | daeos | '/msg' seems to work :D |
| 02:54.05 | rigel | god dammit, this sucks. |
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| 02:56.17 | dbe | squallbsr, did you call him, I was joking, I think you should check youself now to make sure the situation is under control. |
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| 02:56.35 | rigel | everything seems to be normal in the xorg.conf file |
| 02:56.42 | rigel | i have no idea what went wrong |
| 02:56.54 | rigel | and shit keeps going wrong with this POS too, i dont know what it is |
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| 02:58.02 | coywolf | when I write, ${LD_LIBRARY_PATH}, what's the purpose of {} ? I think $LD_LIBRARY_PATH is ok too. |
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| 03:00.28 | abrotman | !moo |
| 03:00.28 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 03:00.35 | abrotman | coywolf: man bash |
| 03:00.51 | daeos | niaht: what program is that/ |
| 03:00.53 | daeos | ?* |
| 03:01.01 | Wyzard | coywolf: In that case they're equivalent, but $FOObar doesn't mean the same thing as ${FOO}bar |
| 03:01.02 | devin_ | I need some help with this . not sure why it happend. but i upgraded my kernel and it didnt go well so i removed it and booted back into my old one i get these errors http://pastebin.com/617368 |
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| 03:01.12 | niaht | daeos: At risk of being stoned by the others here.. nomachine |
| 03:01.45 | curt | abrotman, apherently it is like a wrapper for libraries, go figure. (libtool) |
| 03:01.54 | bird | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:02.00 | coywolf | Wyzard, thanks |
| 03:02.04 | bird | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:02.22 | unstable | !tell bird about spam |
| 03:02.25 | Optical-dlz | Does anybody familiar with gnome-volume-manager ? |
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| 03:02.45 | mike4479 | Could anyone please give me a mirror URl for the newest dialy build please? |
| 03:02.55 | squallbsr | is there nobody that can guide me in the right direction to fix my apt package databases (which I think are corrupt) because #ubuntu is about as helpful as a box of rocks right now |
| 03:03.00 | unstable | !tell mike4479 about ask |
| 03:03.15 | niaht | !tell niaht about ask |
| 03:03.16 | unstable | !tell squallbsr about ubuntu |
| 03:03.21 | abrotman | !tell mike4479 about d-i |
| 03:03.30 | curt | hehe |
| 03:03.33 | abrotman | !d-i squallbsr |
| 03:03.34 | dpkg | squallbsr, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 03:03.40 | Wyzard | mike4479: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 03:03.42 | mike4479 | Thanks guys |
| 03:03.53 | unstable | o, the newest daily build for the _installer_ |
| 03:04.01 | mike4479 | yep that too |
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| 03:04.10 | daeos | !tell daeos about ask |
| 03:04.15 | Destructo | Hello |
| 03:04.21 | daeos | lol |
| 03:04.28 | Destructo | :? |
| 03:04.35 | unstable | !greet Destructo |
| 03:04.35 | dpkg | Hi there, Destructo |
| 03:04.49 | Destructo | Hey you guys Debian gurus? |
| 03:04.51 | unstable | daeos: /msg dpkg help |
| 03:04.59 | unstable | !tell Destructo about ask |
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| 03:05.17 | pjv | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:05.23 | Piranha | debootstrap for the win (vs. cdebootstrap). |
| 03:05.28 | unstable | !tell pjv about bts |
| 03:05.29 | Destructo | I want to upgrade firefox |
| 03:05.37 | unstable | !tell Destructo about backports |
| 03:05.39 | daeos | niaht: is there a way to make vnc secure with ssh on the same machine.... that program looks a bit expensive LOL |
| 03:05.55 | Destructo | hey unstable.. |
| 03:05.59 | bird | join#beijinglug |
| 03:06.03 | bird | join/beijinglug |
| 03:06.04 | Destructo | csn you help me? |
| 03:06.11 | abrotman | bird: /join |
| 03:06.11 | unstable | !ops bird is spamming(4 times so far) |
| 03:06.11 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: bird is spamming(4 times so far) |
| 03:06.18 | L33TrDaNu | daeos: you want to encrypt vnc over ssh for 1 machine? |
| 03:06.22 | littleball | hello, which channel is suitable for askiing questions about SD card? |
| 03:06.24 | mike4479 | abortman: realy I am looking for a mirror with this fix 21 Mar 06] Base installation will fail because of a script error; should be fixed on the 23rd. from here http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today |
| 03:06.25 | Azar | birt use /join # |
| 03:06.37 | niaht | daeos: Slightly, yes, but imho worth it for what you want to do.. You can indeed do ssh+vnc if you like, and it does work. Look up ssh port forwarding. |
| 03:06.39 | unstable | littleball: here, /msg dpkg ask |
| 03:06.54 | abrotman | mike4479: did you ask #debian-boot ? |
| 03:07.14 | squallbsr | I want to know everything there is to know about apt (not anything about the OSes that use it, but apt itself) where do I go, what website? |
| 03:07.18 | Destructo | meh.. I am lost |
| 03:07.21 | mike4479 | abrotman: yes he said it would be fixed now but never give me a mirror |
| 03:07.26 | aNaPHaZe | evertime i reboot my system .. it errors when loading gdm .. says "core pointer not found" .. so i login .. and i "modprobe mousedev" and it will then let me "startx" then it tells me the "show desktop" app appears to have died .. and asks if i want to restart it .. and the same thing with the "window list" and "workspace switcher" .. and the whole time my mouse does not work either .. so once i use arrow keys to restart those failed |
| 03:07.27 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:07.30 | bird | what's meaning? |
| 03:07.31 | daeos | L33TrDaNu : yes 1 application machine, niaht: I'll do that then |
| 03:07.34 | Destructo | alo? |
| 03:07.35 | unstable | squallbsr: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/apt |
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| 03:07.38 | unstable | !tell squallbsr about apt |
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| 03:07.52 | abrotman | aNaPHaZe: echo "mousedev" >> /etc/modules ... you NEED both > |
| 03:07.54 | chaedaeX_ | any way to play matroska video with debian/sid? |
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| 03:08.07 | chaedaeX_ | (other than mplayer) |
| 03:08.11 | littleball | hello, is it possible to write some special bit to my sd card so that other people cannot use my sd card when i lost my card? |
| 03:08.12 | unstable | !tell aNaPHaZe about drxx |
| 03:08.25 | daeos | L33TrDaNu: need this machine to be accessiable via VNC for Windows users to be able to connect to and use x apps |
| 03:08.25 | unstable | !tell littleball about encryption |
| 03:08.43 | unstable | chaedaeX_: xine maybe? |
| 03:08.59 | niaht | daeos: is this for personal or company use? |
| 03:09.02 | chaedaeX_ | unstable: guess again |
| 03:09.12 | squallbsr | unstable: thank you - at least I have some help in the right direction |
| 03:09.16 | unstable | chaedaeX_: Does your mkv file have a menu and stuff? does it work? or you can't tell because you have no player, heh |
| 03:09.23 | abrotman | chaedaeX_: w32codecs ? |
| 03:09.23 | littleball | unstable, it is not encryption. but i just want to make the card useless |
| 03:09.28 | L33TrDaNu | daeos: ah, so you are securing a session from your windows box to a remopte linux box. Ok, that makes sense. Earlier I thought you wanted to encrypt a vnc session from the same computer to the same computer |
| 03:09.45 | Azar | when you ask nicely you get it nicely |
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| 03:09.57 | unstable | littleball: You would have to modify the hardware, by default it most likely can't do what you want. |
| 03:10.05 | daeos | niaht: i can legally say personal but in our group it would be considered a company since we call ourselves a company. We are an indie game 'company' =D |
| 03:10.05 | chaedaeX_ | unstable: mplayer plays it but is fucked. audio/video way out of sync. and it supposedly has subtitles but there's no option to select them |
| 03:10.10 | L33TrDaNu | daeos: niaht is on the money, ssh port forwarding is exactly what you want |
| 03:10.10 | unstable | littleball: The easiest thing I could tell you is to buy a better sdcard with support for what you want. |
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| 03:10.30 | unstable | chaedaeX_: mplayer -slang en movie.mkv |
| 03:10.33 | daeos | thanks, then i'll look for ssh port forwarding on our god google |
| 03:10.58 | niaht | daeos: All on the same LAN or are the others connecting via the net? |
| 03:11.07 | daeos | over the net |
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| 03:11.16 | unstable | abrotman: nah this doesn't have to do with w32codecs, this is a new oss container that can use xvid/ogg and have menus and other cool shit |
| 03:11.23 | aNaPHaZe | abrotman: i type that exact line 'echo "mousedev" >> /etc/modules' without the ' ? |
| 03:11.23 | daeos | Via lan i dont worry a bout encryption |
| 03:11.25 | rigel | so somehow sshd is no longer in my bootup .rc's or whatever |
| 03:11.29 | rigel | how do i re-add it? |
| 03:11.42 | unstable | rigel: update-rc.d -f ssh defaults |
| 03:11.44 | rigel | rc-add? or is that gentoo only? |
| 03:11.51 | abrotman | aNaPHaZe: if i understood your problem correctly |
| 03:11.55 | L33TrDaNu | rigel: update-rc.d |
| 03:11.59 | unstable | rigel: Or apt-get install rcconf; rcconf; if you want a curses type scenario to edit what starts up. |
| 03:12.07 | unstable | rigel: That is gentoo only. |
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| 03:12.46 | niaht | daeos: Not to push the point, but get your buddies together and make the investment in NX, you won't regret it. Otherwise, best of luck to you in your development adventures. I applaud your groups ambitions. |
| 03:12.58 | fedya | how do i change my fqdn from localhost.localdomain? |
| 03:13.03 | rigel | okay, this is weird. when i did ctrl-alt-backspace during the gdm login, it threw me back to a textmode login for a sec, and then restarted gdm with the proper resolution |
| 03:13.12 | rigel | wtf is up with my machine |
| 03:13.18 | unstable | chaedaeX_: I think I tried to use mkv a couple months ago, and I had a sample mkv from their website that had menus and stuff. couldn't get it to work. But they insisted to me(the devs) that vlc was the best choice. |
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| 03:13.28 | chaedaeX_ | unstable: i just get a frozen blue screen with that command |
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| 03:13.50 | chaedaeX_ | vlc instantly dies when i try to open the .mkv with it |
| 03:14.08 | unstable | chaedaeX_: lol, I dunno. like i said I failed too |
| 03:14.14 | unstable | It's still in development anyway. |
| 03:14.26 | niaht | daeos: (if you had said, 'all on the same lan', i'd say you'll do just fine with ssh+vnc) |
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| 03:14.59 | daeos | niaht i see |
| 03:15.04 | npx | Who is supposed to own files in /var/www ? |
| 03:15.06 | unstable | rigel: That's because you changed your X .conf file, and then you restarted X by typing control alt backspace, and gdm has a feature where it will stay alive and start itself up again if you control alt backspace |
| 03:15.09 | daeos | niaht thanks then i'll look into it |
| 03:15.11 | unstable | npx: root |
| 03:15.15 | niaht | npx: www-data |
| 03:15.18 | daeos | root does |
| 03:15.24 | unstable | npx: chown npx.npx /var/www -R if you want permissions |
| 03:15.29 | niaht | ohh.. yes.. duh.. strike that |
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| 03:15.33 | chaedaeX_ | i saw a message on the xine site posted in 2003 claiming excitement that vlc v.0.6 now supported matroska. obviously it hasn't come very far since then |
| 03:15.47 | abrotman | maybe gstreamer? |
| 03:15.55 | unstable | yea, I didn't try gstreamer |
| 03:16.00 | unstable | I bet that is your best bet. |
| 03:16.00 | rigel | unstable: well, _I_ didnt change my xorg.conf |
| 03:16.02 | daeos | niaht: gotta go real quick i'll brb to ask you about NX real quick |
| 03:16.03 | chaedaeX_ | abrotman: what is the front end for that? |
| 03:16.10 | rigel | and it looked exactly the same to me as before when i checked it |
| 03:16.23 | abrotman | chaedaeX_: totem can use it |
| 03:16.27 | abrotman | totem-gstreamer |
| 03:16.47 | abrotman | and if you use kde .. i have no idea |
| 03:16.48 | aNaPHaZe | is the mouse port for a PS/2 mouse /dev/input/mice ? |
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| 03:17.20 | unstable | aNaPHaZe: yes |
| 03:17.21 | abrotman | aNaPHaZe: echo "psmouse" >> /etc/modules .. didn't know your mouse was ps2 |
| 03:17.35 | unstable | aNaPHaZe: If you ever aren't sure, just use the defaults when doing dpkg-reconfigure xserver-* |
| 03:17.42 | aNaPHaZe | thanks |
| 03:18.33 | squallbsr | abrotman: Thanks for the tip, but I got it figured out from a debian web board and more searching and some help from other debian people... |
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| 03:18.53 | squallbsr | abrotman: had a corrupt apt database... |
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| 03:19.21 | eleckttruss | who is wearing gnome 2.14? |
| 03:19.48 | niaht | I had dpkg database problems once... |
| 03:19.54 | eleckttruss | ¿? |
| 03:20.20 | littleball | hi, is SD card supported on linux? |
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| 03:21.01 | littleball | i am looking form SD card supporting info on linux. please help |
| 03:21.08 | abrotman | littleball: why wouldn't it be? |
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| 03:21.28 | unstable | !tell littleball about hardware |
| 03:21.31 | eleckttruss | littleball, i can wear sd card in linux? |
| 03:21.44 | abrotman | unstable: what the fuck for good is that? |
| 03:21.52 | abrotman | totally worthless |
| 03:22.03 | unstable | 04:21 < littleball> i am looking form SD card supporting info on linux. please help |
| 03:22.04 | niaht | http://tuxmobil.org/mmc_sd_card_unix.html |
| 03:22.07 | curt | o |
| 03:22.15 | unstable | The websites dpkg gives you when you /msg dpkg hardware has sd cards listed |
| 03:22.24 | unstable | How is that useless abrotman? |
| 03:22.43 | abrotman | unstable: it's an SD card .. a flash based card .. the reader may or may not be supported .. the card is just storage |
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| 03:23.29 | unstable | Well he'll find that out when he searches for _sd_ on those websites. |
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| 03:24.00 | daeos | im back! |
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| 03:24.06 | niaht | woot! |
| 03:24.13 | abrotman | unstable: and it still won't help |
| 03:24.14 | daeos | had to move around....work likes to move us |
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| 03:24.32 | niaht | daeos: Musical chairs? |
| 03:24.44 | pollywog | is there some info on setting up a *multi* card reader? |
| 03:24.56 | unstable | abrotman: I agree. But it's what he asked for. |
| 03:25.06 | devin_ | Why when i try to upgrade my kernel it wants to remove hotplug? |
| 03:25.11 | pollywog | I have forgotten how and I only see one card |
| 03:25.18 | abrotman | unstable: so you still gave him a bad answer? |
| 03:25.25 | unstable | abrotman: He's been asking the same question many many times in the last hour, at least this way he might read a website for a bit. |
| 03:25.35 | unstable | abrotman: I gave him what he wanted. |
| 03:25.36 | niaht | There are no bad answers, just bad solutions. |
| 03:25.36 | abrotman | unstable: and still have no answer .. good plan |
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| 03:25.41 | abrotman | fucking stupid idiots |
| 03:25.44 | unstable | littleball: Are those websites what you wanted? |
| 03:26.02 | unstable | abrotman: I gave him an answer, I told him what he wanted to do was impossible. |
| 03:26.18 | unstable | abrotman: He wants to take an sd card, and make it so if he loses it, it's competely useless to anyone. |
| 03:26.23 | unstable | (not usless meaning they can't see his data) |
| 03:26.30 | abrotman | is it for his camera? |
| 03:26.31 | unstable | But useless meaning they can't use the card. |
| 03:26.41 | unstable | So it's a paper weight to them. |
| 03:27.00 | pollywog | a self destructing piece of equipment? |
| 03:27.05 | littleball | unstable, yes |
| 03:27.09 | pollywog | one could just lock their doors |
| 03:27.11 | unstable | abrotman: see? |
| 03:27.14 | abrotman | if it's only going to be accessed by linux .. then yes he can .. if it's for his camera .. he should stop taking those pictures of his g/f :) |
| 03:27.23 | daeos | niaht: no seats when i came in, so i had to move closer to the overseers |
| 03:27.27 | unstable | abrotman: /lastlog littleball; /lastlog unstable; |
| 03:27.28 | abrotman | unstable: now ask him in an hour if he got what he wanted from the pages |
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| 03:27.41 | abrotman | unstable: i can read .. and you still didn't give him an answer he can use |
| 03:27.44 | daeos | damn irc...can't login as myself on a different ip |
| 03:27.49 | npx | grrr, I want to use Macromedia Contribute with subversion doing WebDAV, but a post-commit svn update /path/to/site is too slow; the check for website URL and WebDAV directory being in sync fails |
| 03:27.50 | eleckttruss | how can wear xgl in debian sid? |
| 03:27.51 | aNaPHaZe | wee now gnome will start up when i boot system .. but still mouse doesn't work.. and i can't login as admin .. i tried ctrl alt bkspc .. but it takes me back to gnome login .. |
| 03:27.53 | unstable | abrotman: I did. |
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| 03:28.01 | abrotman | !tell eleckttruss about xgl |
| 03:28.02 | aNaPHaZe | how do i get back out .. cause my mouse still don't work |
| 03:28.04 | abrotman | unstable: no .. |
| 03:28.11 | unstable | abrotman: So give him an answer he can use if I didn't do a good job, instead of criticizing my help. |
| 03:28.16 | abrotman | aNaPHaZe: ctrl-alt-bksp |
| 03:28.25 | abrotman | unstable: i already did .. you missed it |
| 03:28.28 | ireverentReveren | how do i find out what module is required for networking on a revision a imac? |
| 03:28.30 | aNaPHaZe | i tried that abrotman .. it just takes me back to gnome login |
| 03:28.42 | abrotman | aNaPHaZe: ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 03:28.48 | Alam_Debian | How do i found what program by PID is using what module? |
| 03:28.55 | abrotman | !which driver |
| 03:28.55 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
| 03:28.59 | aNaPHaZe | ya .. there :) thanks |
| 03:29.04 | unstable | aNaPHaZe: /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 03:29.14 | eleckttruss | abrotman, you can help me? |
| 03:29.14 | abrotman | he has no mouse to start an xterm |
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| 03:29.21 | ireverentReveren | Thank You |
| 03:29.23 | unstable | abrotman: But he can use virtual terminals. |
| 03:29.23 | abrotman | eleckttruss: i don't have xgl .. never seen it |
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| 03:29.32 | eleckttruss | ok |
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| 03:29.39 | aNaPHaZe | how do i use virtual terminals ? |
| 03:29.41 | abrotman | unstable: i'm aware of that .. but he's already where he wanted to be .. stopping gdm does nothing now :) |
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| 03:29.50 | abrotman | aNaPHaZe: login .. same username/password |
| 03:30.03 | daeos | niaht: NX you said? |
| 03:30.32 | abrotman | 1,4,9,16,25,36,__,64 |
| 03:30.41 | aNaPHaZe | i wanted to get out of it so that i could login to my root again .. so that i can continue trying to figure out why my mouse isn't working |
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| 03:30.52 | chaedaeX_ | abrotman, unstable totem is working. thanks. now i only need to get sound output to work :-) |
| 03:31.04 | Ugly_Duck | php5 when i apt-get install wants to install apache2 when i have apache1.3 installed ? |
| 03:31.06 | aNaPHaZe | when i type modprobe mousedev now .. nothing happens |
| 03:31.10 | abrotman | chaedaeX_: uhm .. |
| 03:31.11 | niaht | daeos: yes.. NX.. also called nomachine.. they have a very nice setup, and really good X protocol compression. I use it to admin systems on remote networks I operate that require me to have X access.. Very very very fast. |
| 03:31.16 | curt | 49 |
| 03:31.16 | abrotman | chaedaeX_: check your levels |
| 03:31.20 | abrotman | aNaPHaZe: it's already loaded |
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| 03:31.28 | aNaPHaZe | right i need to change it |
| 03:31.33 | abrotman | why?> |
| 03:31.41 | abrotman | aNaPHaZe: dmesg | grep -i mouse |
| 03:31.50 | aNaPHaZe | because you told me to do the echo on the wrong thing |
| 03:31.58 | karrot-x | i'm having a error trying to compile courier-maildrop; libfam open2 and close keeps coming |
| 03:32.03 | Ugly_Duck | does php5 only work with apache2 ? |
| 03:32.17 | abrotman | aNaPHaZe: no .. |
| 03:32.18 | niaht | daeos: I think the prices on the site are in euros :) So depending on where you live... calculate appropriately. |
| 03:32.21 | abrotman | aNaPHaZe: you want both of those |
| 03:32.28 | abrotman | Ugly_Duck: no |
| 03:32.37 | chaedaeX_ | abrotman: been there, done that. i'm trying the oss module out right now (had only the alsa one installed before) |
| 03:32.56 | aNaPHaZe | abrotman well before i did the echo i had to do modprobe mousedev everytime i booted |
| 03:32.57 | abrotman | chaedaeX_: i don't even use gstreamer .. but i would think it works with alsa |
| 03:32.58 | fedya | how do i configure startup services? |
| 03:33.08 | npx | grrr, I want to use Macromedia Contribute with subversion doing WebDAV, but a post-commit svn update /path/to/site is causing me pain; Contribute checks if the provided website URL and WebDAV directory match by uploading a temporary file and then checking if it exists in the URL you provided. Anyone have any idea how I could work around this? |
| 03:33.15 | abrotman | aNaPHaZe: tail -3 /etc/modules .. what is there ? |
| 03:33.21 | abrotman | !tell fedya about update-rc.d |
| 03:33.48 | aNaPHaZe | mousedev , mousedev , psmouse |
| 03:33.53 | ireverentReveren | is it possible to re-run the network configuration from the initial install? |
| 03:34.03 | abrotman | aNaPHaZe: dmesg | grep -i mouse .. see anything ? |
| 03:34.10 | Ugly_Duck | abrotman: is there a way to make php5 install other than having to install apache2 as well without compiling it my self? |
| 03:34.12 | pollywog | I assume that if I modify /etc/modules I must run update-modules... is this correct? |
| 03:34.13 | abrotman | ireverentReveren: etherconf |
| 03:34.22 | abrotman | Ugly_Duck: in sid ? |
| 03:34.31 | abrotman | pollywog: no |
| 03:34.32 | ireverentReveren | abrotman command not found |
| 03:34.37 | pollywog | abrotman: tnx |
| 03:34.37 | fedya | abrotman: thanks |
| 03:34.38 | Ugly_Duck | abrotman: stable, i have a souce from apt-get.org |
| 03:34.40 | abrotman | ireverentReveren: you have to install it |
| 03:34.53 | abrotman | Ugly_Duck: uhm .. what are the depends on php5 ? |
| 03:35.08 | ireverentReveren | abrotman ty |
| 03:35.30 | abrotman | it's not that bad |
| 03:36.04 | Ugly_Duck | abrotman: how do i find that out? |
| 03:36.12 | chaedaeX_ | abrotman: maybe i'm missing a decoder... |
| 03:36.18 | abrotman | Ugly_Duck: apt-cache show php5 |
| 03:36.22 | abrotman | chaedaeX_: for sound? |
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| 03:36.29 | aNaPHaZe | abrotman: mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice |
| 03:36.31 | daeos | dang bitchx |
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| 03:36.38 | daeos | need something better |
| 03:36.41 | abrotman | aNaPHaZe: wait .. do you have gmp installed ? |
| 03:36.43 | Ugly_Duck | Depends: libapache-mod-php5 (>= 5.1.2-1.dotdeb.2) | libapache2-mod-php5 (>= 5.1.2-1.dotdeb.2), php5-common (>= 5.1.2-1.dotdeb.2) |
| 03:36.43 | chaedaeX_ | abrotman: possibly. i see an a52dec decoder |
| 03:36.52 | aNaPHaZe | not sure .. let me check |
| 03:36.56 | abrotman | aNaPHaZe: erm .. gpm |
| 03:37.04 | fedya | when turning off services, are tehre any that are ncessary byt eh sytem? |
| 03:37.05 | aNaPHaZe | how to check if gpm is installed? |
| 03:37.16 | abrotman | dpkg -l gpm |
| 03:37.16 | dpkg | No packages found matching gpm |
| 03:37.20 | abrotman | dpkg: shuddup |
| 03:37.20 | dpkg | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
| 03:37.30 | karrot-x | what's the debian package to install the .dsc? |
| 03:37.32 | Ugly_Duck | abrotman: so remove php4 first? then install php5 libapache-mod-php5 |
| 03:37.45 | abrotman | Ugly_Duck: that first one should work for apache1 .. install that package first? |
| 03:37.47 | niaht | karrot-x: eh? |
| 03:37.51 | aNaPHaZe | doesn't look like it |
| 03:37.55 | aNaPHaZe | let me get it |
| 03:37.58 | Ugly_Duck | kk.. |
| 03:37.59 | abrotman | Ugly_Duck: or apt-get install php5 libapache-mod-php5 |
| 03:38.03 | karrot-x | niaht: when you grab the debian source they give you a name.dsc file |
| 03:38.04 | abrotman | aNaPHaZe: NO |
| 03:38.07 | niaht | karrot-x: You want to download the source for a package? |
| 03:38.08 | karrot-x | they're you're supposed to patch with |
| 03:38.10 | karrot-x | how do you do that? |
| 03:38.24 | niaht | karrot-x: apt-get source <packagename>? |
| 03:38.31 | karrot-x | niaht: i've done that part |
| 03:38.44 | niaht | karrot-x: Ok, so then it unpacked in the current directory.. |
| 03:38.54 | karrot-x | yes, they release a debian patch file |
| 03:38.56 | abrotman | bah .. didn't do my taxes .. again |
| 03:38.59 | karrot-x | the .dsc file that has the security updates |
| 03:39.06 | abrotman | aNaPHaZe: don't install gpm |
| 03:39.08 | daeos | niaht: know of a better irc client for command line over bitchx ? |
| 03:39.17 | niaht | karrot-x: Hrm.. I think I'm missing part of the picture here. |
| 03:39.26 | abrotman | daeos: irrsi-text |
| 03:39.33 | niaht | daeos: what abrotman said. |
| 03:40.46 | litage | i have apache running. if i go to sub.domain.com/foo/index.php everything's cool. however, if i go to sub.domain.com/foo/ , it asks me to download a PHTML file, which turns out to be index.php . however, i've told apache that index.php is a valid index file: DirectoryIndex index.html index.htm index.php |
| 03:40.47 | curt | !tell karrot-x -about source |
| 03:40.49 | niaht | daeos: If you try to run it using libglib2.0 from unstable, and you don't like core dumps when you exit.. I can help :) |
| 03:40.50 | abrotman | Maulkin: wired won't build because i don't have the proper version of one of the libraries in etch .. not yet anyways |
| 03:41.02 | daeos | not using unstable |
| 03:41.05 | daeos | stable only |
| 03:41.15 | niaht | daeos: good man... |
| 03:41.47 | daeos | brb then i'll get it |
| 03:41.53 | daeos | irrsi-text......... ok |
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| 03:42.57 | niaht | litage: seems you may have one or two steps left. |
| 03:43.04 | abrotman | unstable: did you get him all sorted out? |
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| 03:43.24 | niaht | daeos: like it? |
| 03:43.30 | dondelelcaro | litage: first off, does it do that using GET http://sub.domain.com/foo/; ? |
| 03:43.30 | litage | niaht: what do you mean? |
| 03:43.43 | abrotman | daeos: better? |
| 03:43.49 | slinn | i have a suspicious user on one of my systems... what's a good tool to aid me in seeing what they are/have been doing? (other than .bash_history) |
| 03:44.01 | daeos | guess its not installed and apt-cache search didn't find it |
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| 03:44.14 | niaht | litage: The DirectoryIndex directive is only one of three parts to apache living happily with PHP |
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| 03:44.32 | abrotman | daeos: irssi-text .. |
| 03:44.53 | abrotman | daeos: two 's' .. not two 'r' |
| 03:44.56 | litage | dondelelcaro: when browsing to http://sub.domain.com/foo apache logs this to access.log: "GET /foo HTTP/1.1" |
| 03:44.57 | daeos | ahhh |
| 03:44.59 | daeos | ok |
| 03:45.00 | daeos | brbr |
| 03:45.05 | unstable | !tell slinn about tripwire |
| 03:45.13 | dondelelcaro | litage: I know, but that's not what I asked. |
| 03:45.25 | abrotman | i wonder if he knows he doesn't have to quit irc to install stuff :) |
| 03:45.39 | curt | no |
| 03:45.52 | niaht | abrotman: He probably has just the one shell, and isn't familiar with job control. |
| 03:45.53 | litage | dondelelcaro: i thought that did answer your question... |
| 03:45.58 | shandy | hi |
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| 03:46.11 | fedya | are tehre any services that appaer in rcconf that are necessary for the system to work? |
| 03:46.13 | shandy | hi |
| 03:46.20 | litage | niaht: what are the other 2 parts? |
| 03:46.23 | shandy | blh gbng g? |
| 03:46.30 | abrotman | fedya: what do you want to remove? |
| 03:46.33 | dondelelcaro | litage: no, becuase it's likely that the browser is using a conditional get. |
| 03:46.34 | str8edge | Optical-dlz: the nVidia patch on bugs.debian.org worked |
| 03:46.36 | fedya | for instance, i've never heard of atd |
| 03:46.55 | fedya | just want to turn off ones i'm not using, leave just apache2, proftpd and exim |
| 03:46.57 | dondelelcaro | litage: almost no browser uses a HEAD request anymore to handle caching. |
| 03:46.58 | niaht | litage: "AddType" directive, and "LoadModule" directive. |
| 03:47.04 | unstable | fedya: not likely |
| 03:47.15 | unstable | fedya: It could depend case by case. but unlikely imho |
| 03:47.19 | abrotman | fedya: those are local items |
| 03:47.30 | abrotman | fedya: atd is kind of like cron |
| 03:47.33 | Optical-dlz | str8edge: Cool! |
| 03:47.37 | fedya | meaning? i can remove them and be fine? |
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| 03:47.40 | fedya | at least turn them off heh |
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| 03:47.50 | dondelelcaro | litage: the other issue is where you've got the AddType directive defined. |
| 03:47.55 | fedya | i don't understand why they'er all on by default |
| 03:48.04 | fedya | hah why cron and atd? |
| 03:48.05 | dondelelcaro | fedya: so remove atd |
| 03:48.14 | niaht | fedya: Case by case basis.. per your particular situation.. at for instance can probably be turned off. |
| 03:48.20 | abrotman | fedya: they do different things .. |
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| 03:49.10 | dondelelcaro | fedya: atd deals with the at 18:00; do some set of commands; type request. |
| 03:49.10 | devin_ | after upgrading my kernel to 2.6.15 i boot into the new kernel and my system has no sound? |
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| 03:49.40 | niaht | devin_: Debian kernel or custom? |
| 03:49.40 | litage | dondelelcaro: "AddType application/x-httpd-php .php" is within "<IfModule mod_mime.c>" |
| 03:49.43 | iMx | is there a way i can find out with what options an apt package was compiled? |
| 03:49.45 | abrotman | bah .. why is tzafir the only one who knows that url ... |
| 03:49.51 | abrotman | iMx: in the rules file |
| 03:49.53 | dondelelcaro | litage: and the answer to the first question that I asked? |
| 03:50.01 | devin_ | niaht debian kernel |
| 03:50.03 | iMx | ta |
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| 03:50.40 | daeos | hmm |
| 03:50.43 | litage | dondelelcaro: i'm not sure how to answer your first question. would you mind telling me what i can do to determine the answer? |
| 03:50.43 | abrotman | daeos: better? |
| 03:50.44 | daeos | looks just like bitchx |
| 03:50.47 | daeos | LOL |
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| 03:50.57 | dondelelcaro | litage: run GET http://sub.domain.com/foo; |
| 03:51.00 | dondelelcaro | litage: look at the result. |
| 03:51.09 | abrotman | daeos: but noone will laugh at you for using irssi :) |
| 03:51.14 | dondelelcaro | (assuming you've got libwww-perl installed, of course) |
| 03:51.15 | daeos | ah ok |
| 03:51.22 | menko | hi people, are there any rox packages other than win4lin? Specifically I'm looking for the menu, pager, possibly also the clock and taskbar applet |
| 03:51.22 | niaht | devin_: I used alsaconf from alsa-utils |
| 03:51.33 | dondelelcaro | daeos: and more importantly, you won't be bothering anyone else because you're using bitchx... |
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| 03:52.01 | menko | hi people, are there any rox packages other than rox-filer(sorry what was on my mind)? Specifically I'm looking for the menu, pager, possibly also the clock and taskbar applet |
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| 03:52.58 | litage | dondelelcaro: 'fraid libwww-perl isn't, and can't be, installed |
| 03:53.02 | zorton | apache 2.2? |
| 03:53.10 | daeos | now to figure out how to get nickserv to let me sign in |
| 03:53.10 | abrotman | zorton: not in debian yet |
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| 03:53.22 | zorton | sad, the large file support would be nice |
| 03:53.23 | abrotman | daeos: /msg nickserv help |
| 03:53.39 | litage | dondelelcaro: is there another way of determining the answer to your first question? |
| 03:53.41 | dondelelcaro | litage: then use lynx -source or wget -O - -q; or any other equivalents. |
| 03:53.46 | niaht | daeos: should be the same as with bx, if you were doing that before. |
| 03:54.10 | aNaPHaZe | bah .. i'm trying to go back through drxx to change my mouse to psaux since that's what gdm liked configured my mouse as .. and it lets me get through the video setup portion of it and then i get blue screen |
| 03:54.12 | dondelelcaro | it's actually a rather rare machine that doesn't have libwww-perl installed... but whatever, |
| 03:54.39 | daeos | well with bitchx i just now had registered , first time using IRC on this nix machine |
| 03:55.14 | shandy | hi |
| 03:55.26 | eleckttruss | hi shandy |
| 03:55.26 | unstable | !greet shandy |
| 03:55.26 | dpkg | Moo, shandy |
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| 03:55.48 | shandy | apan tuh |
| 03:55.53 | unstable | !tell menko about apt-cache |
| 03:55.59 | unstable | menko: apt-cache search rox |
| 03:56.05 | litage | dondelelcaro: ``lynx -source http://sub.domain.com/foo'' returns html |
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| 03:56.08 | curt | kr? |
| 03:56.15 | dondelelcaro | litage: phtml or html? |
| 03:56.17 | abrotman | hey .. those are the same IPs |
| 03:56.23 | aNaPHaZe | how do i close out gnome so i can run through drxx ? |
| 03:56.36 | niaht | Baa-a-a-a |
| 03:56.39 | shandy | hiyuyuyuu |
| 03:56.45 | shandy | hjghj |
| 03:56.50 | litage | dondelelcaro: i'm unsure as to what exactly phtml is, but i see no php code within what lynx returned |
| 03:56.56 | abrotman | aNaPHaZe: ctrl-alt-f1 .. that will get you to a terminal .. when you're done reconfiguring .. /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 03:57.01 | fedya | is dirmngr or fam required? |
| 03:57.04 | shandy | keur naon yogi |
| 03:57.04 | dondelelcaro | litage: then you're having a cache issue, as opposed to a problem with your apache server. |
| 03:57.14 | curt | !kr |
| 03:57.14 | dpkg | i heard kr is Korea (South) |
| 03:57.16 | fedya | i'm guessing i should leaev gdb? |
| 03:57.19 | dondelelcaro | litage: restart your web browser or otherwise force it to actually load the mage. Sometimes shift reload does that. |
| 03:57.22 | niaht | I got the yogi part... |
| 03:57.23 | dondelelcaro | s/mage/page/ |
| 03:57.31 | shandy | yuda, yuda, yuda |
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| 03:57.55 | iam_Brandon | haiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
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| 03:58.08 | ooo- | hi is there a zlib package for debian? |
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| 03:58.14 | dondelelcaro | folks, please stop typing random garbage into the channel. |
| 03:58.17 | fedya | should i leave klogd running? |
| 03:58.19 | dondelelcaro | ooo-: yes. |
| 03:58.24 | aNaPHaZe | abrotman: i got back to the terminal and went partway through drxx .. as soon as i finish the video section it gives me a blank bluescreen i assumed it was because gnome was still running inbackground |
| 03:58.25 | iam_Brandon | ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 03:58.27 | ooo- | dondelelcaro: what would be its name? |
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| 03:58.39 | ooo- | i get: |
| 03:58.39 | dondelelcaro | !tell ooo- -about search |
| 03:58.40 | ooo- | checking for library containing gzopen... no |
| 03:58.40 | ooo- | configure: error: not found. |
| 03:58.47 | ooo- | dondelelcaro: i did search. |
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| 03:58.54 | ooo- | i get this error when trying to compile something, i figured its zlib |
| 03:58.59 | abrotman | aNaPHaZe: you can do /etc/init.d/gdm stop .. it will kill X .. but you sohuldnt' have to |
| 03:58.59 | dondelelcaro | ooo-: then you would have found the following: |
| 03:59.00 | ooo- | but apt-cache search didnt bring any zlib. |
| 03:59.07 | litage | dondelelcaro: you're right, it's a cache issue with firefox. thanks for helping me out with that, i really appreciate it |
| 03:59.08 | dondelelcaro | !+info zlib1g-dev |
| 03:59.16 | dpkg | zlib1g-dev: (compression library - development), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 1:1.2.3-11 (sid), Packaged size: 397 kB, Installed size: 580 kB |
| 03:59.26 | menko | I can't find anything about rox packages other than rox-filer, does anyone know if any others are out there, somewhere? |
| 03:59.27 | dondelelcaro | ooo-: and yes, apt-cache search zlib; would have shown that... |
| 03:59.28 | daeos | dang it..... /msg doesn't work |
| 03:59.45 | ooo- | dondelelcaro: i saw that, didnt know its the zlib i needed, thanks :) |
| 04:00.02 | dondelelcaro | ooo-: but beyond that, what are you buildling? |
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| 04:00.09 | ooo- | dondelelcaro: ettercap |
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| 04:00.28 | dondelelcaro | ooo-: uh... just apt-get install ettercap; |
| 04:00.45 | ooo- | dondelelcaro: but it gets me an old version |
| 04:00.49 | dondelelcaro | ooo-: or, if you really need to build it from source, apt-get source ettercap; and build a .deb. |
| 04:00.53 | daeos | someone mind telling me how to change from the main chat to a msg screen? |
| 04:00.59 | dondelelcaro | !+info ettercap |
| 04:01.01 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 04:01.03 | dpkg | ettercap: (Multipurpose sniffer/interceptor/logger for switched LAN), section net, is optional. Version: 1:0.7.3-1+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 171 kB, Installed size: 352 kB |
| 04:01.08 | curt | daeos, use the number keys |
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| 04:01.17 | curt | daeos, 1234 |
| 04:01.24 | abrotman | daeos: /win # .. ctrl-p, ctrl-n |
| 04:01.26 | ooo- | dondelelcaro: for me it gets 0.7.0 |
| 04:01.31 | ooo- | or .1 or something but not .3 |
| 04:01.44 | dondelelcaro | ooo-: you're using stable then... get a backport of ettercap to stable, or /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 04:02.41 | ooo- | dondelelcaro: ok.. but regardless of that, there are other problems with binary packages. i dont know how they compiled ettercap, but i need it with ssl support |
| 04:03.01 | ooo- | dondelelcaro: how can i know if it was compiled with ssl support? |
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| 04:03.08 | dondelelcaro | !+depends ettercap |
| 04:03.09 | daeos | got it |
| 04:03.10 | daeos | thanks |
| 04:03.11 | dpkg | ettercap: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libltdl3 (>= 1.5.2-2), libncurses5 (>= 5.4-5), libnet1 (>= 1.1.2-1), libpcap0.8 (>= 0.9.3-1), libpcre3 (>= 4.5), libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8a-1), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), ettercap-common (= 1:0.7.3-1+b1), debconf |
| 04:03.19 | dondelelcaro | ooo-: see above? that version has ssl support. |
| 04:03.26 | dondelelcaro | ooo-: the clue is that it depends on libssl0.9.8 |
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| 04:03.51 | daeos | ettercap...someone named a program/creature after a program/creature???!! |
| 04:03.54 | daeos | silly |
| 04:04.20 | daeos | NX is $180 -.- |
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| 04:04.37 | niaht | yep. |
| 04:04.43 | abrotman | freenx? |
| 04:04.51 | zorton | most of the guts are free though |
| 04:05.01 | daeos | free nx? its free?? lol |
| 04:05.08 | daeos | i see 180 |
| 04:05.18 | MrP | VESA(0): No matching modes ... am I missing a simplistic fix to this? I'm 99% positive I have xorg configured correctly |
| 04:05.21 | ooo- | dondelelcaro: ah great thanks |
| 04:05.23 | dondelelcaro | !+depends ettercap stable |
| 04:05.24 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
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| 04:05.26 | dpkg | ettercap: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21), libltdl3 (>= 1.5.2-2), libncurses5 (>= 5.4-1), libnet1 (>= 1.1.2-1), libpcap0.8, libpcre3 (>= 4.5), libssl0.9.7, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), ettercap-common (= 1:0.7.1-1sarge1), debconf |
| 04:05.30 | niaht | daeos: search for it.. it does exist.. as you can imagine, it just doesn't have the frills. |
| 04:05.37 | ooo- | dondelelcaro: is there a way to install 'unstable' packages on a stable debian? (sarge) ? |
| 04:05.37 | dondelelcaro | ooo-: it does look like the one in stable has ssl support too |
| 04:05.45 | dondelelcaro | ooo-: the way is to do a backport |
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| 04:05.55 | stoned | is testing/etch stable enough for use right now? last I checked it had tons of packages taken out that I required |
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| 04:06.06 | dondelelcaro | stoned: that's a question that only you can answer... |
| 04:06.12 | ooo- | dondelelcaro: i can just change my apt-get server no? |
| 04:06.20 | dondelelcaro | ooo-: you can just upgrade to testing or unstable if you want |
| 04:06.26 | stoned | dondelelcaro, hmm. ok I guess I'll go to sarge. |
| 04:06.32 | dondelelcaro | ooo-: but mixing and matching isn't really supported |
| 04:07.04 | niaht | ooo-: Note the word *supported* |
| 04:07.05 | stoned | well I need sarge stability but I also require newer software/backports of at least kde/amarok firefox1.5 |
| 04:07.23 | dondelelcaro | stoned: there are backports of some of those packages on backports.org |
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| 04:07.30 | stoned | ok that works out then |
| 04:07.32 | stoned | perfectly |
| 04:07.32 | aNaPHaZe | bah .. i'm still getting a blue screen after i run through drxx .. after i get through the video section |
| 04:07.37 | stoned | sarge it is, thanks |
| 04:08.17 | ooo- | dondelelcaro: i dont get whats the difference.. why an unstable package wont install on a stable debian? |
| 04:08.22 | ooo- | because of the dependencies? |
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| 04:08.29 | ooo- | ie that it will require to update libc etc etc? |
| 04:08.36 | curt | aNaPHaZe, try pasting your Xorg.0.log so we can have a look see |
| 04:08.40 | stoned | ooo-, do you know about simple sid backport |
| 04:08.47 | stoned | !tell ooo- about simple sid backport |
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| 04:08.56 | niaht | ooo-: It all comes down to, it may not work, and it will be up to you to figure it out if you decide to mix and match. |
| 04:09.11 | curt | !tell aNaPHaZe -about paste |
| 04:09.15 | aNaPHaZe | i don't run Xorg .. i run xfree86 but i will get the log |
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| 04:09.38 | curt | aNaPHaZe, that's fine too |
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| 04:10.23 | daeos | there is a freenx and it looks similar to the RealVNC website |
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| 04:10.46 | dondelelcaro | ooo-: yes. |
| 04:11.42 | daeos | .... NX is a an exiciting new technology for remote display. It provides "near local speed" applicaiton responsiveness over high latency, low bandwidth links. ...... that worries me |
| 04:11.46 | MrP | Is there an easy fix to this? I've exhausted my linux knowledge and googling abilities: VESA(0): No matching modes |
| 04:11.59 | MrP | Simply trying to start the xserver (xorg) |
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| 04:12.19 | ooo- | whwat could be the reason that i get this: |
| 04:12.20 | niaht | daeos: Read: It goes fast.. real real fast.. over pretty much any link. |
| 04:12.20 | ooo- | adama:~/ettercap# ettercap |
| 04:12.20 | ooo- | -bash: /usr/sbin/ettercap: No such file or directory |
| 04:12.24 | MrP | The only numbers I don't know are 100% certain are the vertical sync numbers |
| 04:12.33 | ooo- | if there is no /usr/sbin/ettercap, how come bash gives that path with the error? |
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| 04:12.46 | abrotman | MrP: what resolutions are you trying? |
| 04:13.13 | MrP | Laptop's LCD native resolution is 1024x768 so I tried that, but I also tried 800x600 and 640x480 |
| 04:13.22 | curt | MrP, you could try apt-get install xresprobe, see if it gets them for you. |
| 04:13.43 | MrP | curt: already tried, doesn't give me any numbers |
| 04:14.07 | daeos | oh and 1 thing i can think of thats strange, anyone notice with a Nvidia video card why Gnome or KDE default text is like font 2 ? when i log in locally my text is size 1 or 2 and i can't see any of the text period |
| 04:14.12 | aNaPHaZe | curt: i'm sorry i'm so newb at this .. |
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| 04:14.23 | aNaPHaZe | where do i get the log from xfree86 |
| 04:14.29 | aNaPHaZe | or how |
| 04:14.41 | curt | aNaPHaZe, logs should be in /var/log |
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| 04:15.36 | MrP | abrotman: You have any ideas? |
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| 04:15.58 | MrP | The worst part is I had linux on here before, and got it working, but I forgot about the problems I had so I didn't think of copying the conf files |
| 04:16.04 | aNaPHaZe | hmm .. |
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| 04:16.18 | aNaPHaZe | here i run into a problem .. my linux box is online.. but that's not what i'm using here on irc |
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| 04:17.22 | daeos | ok im out |
| 04:17.23 | abrotman | MrP: afaik .. VESA will only do 8x6 |
| 04:17.24 | daeos | thanks for the help |
| 04:17.31 | MrP | hmm |
| 04:17.35 | abrotman | aNaPHaZe: so install irssi-text .. and irc from your linux box |
| 04:17.54 | aNaPHaZe | i'm on it :) |
| 04:18.05 | MrP | abrotman: It is an intel chipset, you have any idea if I should be trying the i740 or i810 drivers? |
| 04:18.11 | aNaPHaZe | thanks to all you guys for helping me.. i'm sure once i get all this down i'll be in here idling and helping aswell |
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| 04:18.20 | abrotman | MrP: lspci | grep -i vga |
| 04:18.29 | curt | 60/(768*1024) |
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| 04:18.46 | GenNMX|Thrae | abrotman: irssi-text - irssi dummy transition package ? |
| 04:18.51 | abrotman | that's fine |
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| 04:19.24 | MrP | abrotman: 0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02) |
| 04:19.25 | ooo- | dondelelcaro: hmm thats the weirest thing ive ever seen :D any idea why it happens? |
| 04:19.34 | abrotman | MrP: should work with i810 driver |
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| 04:21.35 | MrP | abrotman: Tried it, and it appears it locked it up :). Took me to the "I cannot start the xserver" and now its just stuck |
| 04:21.36 | MrP | yay |
| 04:21.40 | curt | see ya |
| 04:22.00 | abrotman | MrP: i'm going .. but try it again .. get help with the log file |
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| 04:22.56 | GenNMX|Thrae | MrP: Try running scanpci (or X -scanpci) instead of lspci |
| 04:23.16 | GenNMX|Thrae | MrP: Also, try running X -probeonly and checking the output / log file |
| 04:23.52 | MrP | hm, when I do that it is barking about no mouse |
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| 04:24.03 | kraypius | how do i change the computer name? |
| 04:24.23 | GenNMX|Thrae | MrP: Are you using a USB mouse? |
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| 04:24.42 | ^ATOMIC^ | how can i copy a folder but exclude copying all the CVS directorys in that folder |
| 04:24.52 | aNaPHaZe | ok i got both irssi-text and xchat .. |
| 04:24.58 | Kinks | whenever I try starting firefox I get "Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server Xlib: XDM authorization key matches an existing client!", any ideas as to what the cause might be? |
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| 04:25.02 | MrP | GenNMX|Thrae: No, touchpad on laptop |
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| 04:25.12 | unstable | I have this Maple software I need to run for my math class, and I have no windows computer anywhere. And this maple program uses java and other crap, java in windows. WHat can I use to run this on my debian box?(there is no freaken way wine will work) |
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| 04:25.28 | aNaPHaZe | when i go to start xchat it gives me (xchat:1354): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 04:25.36 | GenNMX|Thrae | MrP: Oh, right. I'm not sure what protocol a touchpad uses. What do you have it pointing to in xorg.conf? |
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| 04:25.54 | MrP | GenNMX|Thrae: Auto... I wasn't sure what protocol as well |
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| 04:25.58 | Stevie | ... |
| 04:25.59 | Stevie | (gdb) p len |
| 04:25.59 | Stevie | $6 = 134713780 |
| 04:26.10 | Stevie | this is a tcp segment |
| 04:26.11 | Stevie | wtf |
| 04:26.45 | GenNMX|Thrae | ^Atomic^: man cp, it can exclude files/directories with a certain substring |
| 04:27.11 | GenNMX|Thrae | MrP: Lemme Google, I bet I'll get the answer in the first few hits |
| 04:27.43 | dbindner_ | unstable: The Maple CD should come with Win/Linux/Mac versions on it. Just run the Linux version. |
| 04:27.49 | aNaPHaZe | when i go to start xchat it gives me (xchat:1354): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: how do i fix this ? |
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| 04:27.56 | unstable | dbindner_: I only have a .exe file |
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| 04:28.01 | GenNMX|Thrae | MrP: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=linux+touchpad+protocol&btnG=Google+Search <-- 2nd hit |
| 04:28.24 | MrP | I have synaptics installed though lol |
| 04:28.26 | GenNMX|Thrae | Seems it needs a special driver, make sure you have the "synaptics" driver |
| 04:28.31 | MrP | doesn't show up as a protocol |
| 04:28.42 | curt | MrP, yo get the v-sync figured out? |
| 04:28.42 | GenNMX|Thrae | MrP: Then explicitly set it up as shown there |
| 04:28.46 | MrP | curt: No, I just put the lowest one in there |
| 04:28.49 | pollywog | what exactly is a meta package and why do we need them? |
| 04:28.52 | curt | Refresh Rate: 59.60 Hz, Horizontal Sync Frequency: 47.47 kHz |
| 04:28.52 | curt | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:29.12 | unstable | dbindner_: http://pastebin.com/617487 |
| 04:29.14 | curt | from an awk script to figure max rates ^^^ |
| 04:29.21 | dbindner_ | Well, if it is properly licensed, you should be able to get Linux stuff. Any chance you could use a free software substitute? I teach calculus for example using Maxima extensively. Check <a href="http://limestone.truman.edu/ClassWiki/RosettaStone">http://limestone.truman.edu/ClassWiki/RosettaStone</a> |
| 04:29.29 | AppleCore | pollywog: you don't usually... sometimes for backwards compatibility |
| 04:29.37 | pollywog | AppleCore: oic |
| 04:30.27 | ^ATOMIC^ | GenNMX|Thrae what is teh syntax i can't find it in teh man page |
| 04:30.37 | unstable | dbindner_: nah, I just illegally downloaded it online. |
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| 04:31.19 | pollywog | dbinder: is Maxima inexpensive? |
| 04:31.21 | unstable | dbindner_: I have maple software in the public computer labs at my university. But I can't get there over the weekend. I just need to punch in the numbers and get answers. |
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| 04:31.48 | GenNMX|Thrae | MrP, curt: Take a look at read-edid for a program to detect monitor refresh rates. |
| 04:31.49 | dbindner_ | Maxima is free software. There's a Debian package. |
| 04:32.08 | pollywog | Maple and that other one are rather expensive for non-academic types ;) |
| 04:32.18 | pollywog | Mathematica |
| 04:32.24 | AppleCore | axiom, anyone? |
| 04:32.53 | dbindner_ | For multivar Calculus, I use a lot of Maxima and Octave. Axiom can be very good as well. Sometimes as copped out on something easy, but very rarely. |
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| 04:33.12 | unstable | dbindner_: I just want to do a simple probability sumation |
| 04:33.16 | pollywog | thanks I will Google for Maxima |
| 04:33.36 | thewiz | hi , how do i reconfigure wxwidgets with support for large files ? |
| 04:33.53 | thewiz | im getting : To continue you must recompile wxWidgets with support for |
| 04:33.55 | thewiz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:34.06 | unstable | pollywog: yea, maybe is 1000USD |
| 04:34.19 | jknife | ok i have ION3 installed but no X.. what is Xs PKG name? |
| 04:34.22 | MrP | GenNMX|Thrae: That link just saved my night! Thanks sir |
| 04:34.23 | dbindner_ | unstable: In maxima, you an do something like sum( 1/i, i, 1, 10 ) |
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| 04:34.34 | unstable | jknife: apt-get install x-window-system-core xserver-xorg |
| 04:34.40 | jknife | ahh ok |
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| 04:35.01 | jknife | thanks |
| 04:35.04 | GenNMX|Thrae | ^ATOMIC^: Hmmm maybe I'm mistaken with cp. Try using "find ./ -name subtring -print0 | xargs -0 cp /dest/" |
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| 04:35.35 | ^ATOMIC^ | hmm |
| 04:35.52 | dbindner_ | pollywog: Matlab is expensive too. Substitute Octave for Matlab. |
| 04:36.08 | pollywog | apparently Maxima is in unstable and I am using Etch |
| 04:36.14 | jknife | has anyone heard of the 'slim' desktop manager? |
| 04:36.30 | unstable | pollywog: Just switch your sources to unstable and grab it, it will work fine. |
| 04:36.39 | pollywog | unstable: tnx |
| 04:36.57 | unstable | jknife: yes, I use it. |
| 04:37.13 | jknife | what is the pkg name i did a search for slim but didnt find it |
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| 04:37.23 | unstable | jknife: It's not in debian yet. |
| 04:37.26 | jknife | :( |
| 04:37.28 | jknife | no wonder |
| 04:37.32 | unstable | jknife: It doesn't have PAM support, and doesn't properly restart X. |
| 04:37.40 | dbindner_ | Axiom can sometimes calculate integrals or simplify things that Maxima has problems with. |
| 04:37.44 | lavixu | excuse me. i run xchat. but i can not input any word. how can i do? |
| 04:37.46 | jknife | i still like it |
| 04:37.49 | unstable | jknife: Give it a couple weeks and it will go in. |
| 04:37.54 | jknife | yay |
| 04:37.55 | jknife | ok |
| 04:38.00 | unstable | lavixu: /join #xchat |
| 04:38.01 | jknife | ill use startx till then |
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| 04:38.22 | jknife | lavixu: aren't you the one that was using mIRC? |
| 04:39.05 | pollywog | I used xchat until I tried konversation |
| 04:39.19 | pollywog | xchat is pretty nice though |
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| 04:39.38 | jknife | ..i was using XChat till i tried EPIC.. then from EPIC i went to IRSSI |
| 04:39.53 | lavixu | jknife. yes |
| 04:39.56 | unstable | dbindner_: (%i1) sum(x^2,x,1,2) |
| 04:39.58 | aNaPHaZe | when i go to start xchat it gives me (xchat:1354): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: how do i fix this ? |
| 04:40.04 | GenNMX|Thrae | Nothing beats irssi + xterm. |
| 04:40.09 | jknife | aNaPHaZe: start it from X |
| 04:40.14 | unstable | dbindner_: I am in maxima, is my syntax wrong I get nothing. |
| 04:40.16 | dbindner_ | unstable: Terminate with a semicolon ; |
| 04:40.16 | jknife | GenNMX|Thrae: i like Aterm |
| 04:40.29 | unstable | cool, thanks dbindner_ |
| 04:40.31 | GenNMX|Thrae | jknife: Does it use less resources then xterm? |
| 04:40.36 | unstable | This will help me a lot, I appreciate the help dbindner_ |
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| 04:40.45 | jknife | be default its about the same |
| 04:40.45 | lavixu | no, start it within xp |
| 04:40.48 | aNaPHaZe | jknife: i was trying to start it so that i could paste a log from my linux box because i still cannot get my mouse to work in X |
| 04:40.52 | Trent- | how can i edit what startsup when i boot debian? |
| 04:41.14 | AppleCore | in /etc/init.d |
| 04:41.15 | jknife | aNaPHaZe: ... xchat is a X11 program |
| 04:41.17 | lavixu | xp is my offical env. debian is my test env. |
| 04:41.21 | jknife | xchat-text is not |
| 04:41.38 | Trent- | when i use nano to edit /etc/init.d it doesnt bring up anything.. |
| 04:41.45 | AppleCore | its a directory |
| 04:42.00 | AppleCore | try ls instead |
| 04:42.03 | Trent- | kk thanks |
| 04:42.24 | aNaPHaZe | jknife: i'm sorry but that doesn't tell me much .. sorry i don't know much about linux at all |
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| 04:42.37 | jknife | X11 = pretty stuff |
| 04:42.40 | iMx | if when using apt-build i want to send a compile option such as --disable-x11 where do i go about this? |
| 04:42.51 | iMx | apt-build.conf? |
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| 04:42.54 | jknife | it handels all thew windows |
| 04:42.55 | aNaPHaZe | ok so how do i start xchat-text |
| 04:43.11 | jknife | xchat-text.. BUT i would recommend IRSSI |
| 04:43.18 | jknife | xchat-text is shit |
| 04:43.24 | [aJ] | What's the difference of install an app in /usr/local or /opt? |
| 04:43.35 | jknife | [aJ]: your own pref |
| 04:43.45 | jknife | i like plain /usr |
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| 04:43.47 | [aJ] | jknife: isn't there a standard |
| 04:44.04 | Plasmoduck | how do I restart syslog? |
| 04:44.07 | jknife | [aJ]: not really... its more or less left upto the distro |
| 04:44.25 | iMx | Plasmoduck /etc/init.d/syslog restart |
| 04:44.26 | jknife | Plasmoduck: in /etc/?init.d? |
| 04:44.35 | jknife | do ./syslogd restart as root |
| 04:44.35 | iMx | might be syslogd |
| 04:44.45 | jknife | lol |
| 04:44.46 | GenNMX|Thrae | jknife: aterm has the default of white on black, that's good...how do you open the configuration menu? |
| 04:44.57 | jknife | GenNMX|Thrae: in .Xdefaults |
| 04:45.07 | curt | GenNMX|Thrae, My video is fine but I did get-edid | parse-edid and my EDID is bad .. funny output though > Mode "3840x2560" # vfreq 0.017Hz, hfreq 0.045kHz |
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| 04:45.13 | dbindner_ | maybe: invoke-rc.d sysklogd restart? |
| 04:45.23 | [aJ] | jknife: thanks |
| 04:45.26 | iMx | if when using apt-build i want to send a compile option such as --disable-x11 where do i go about this? |
| 04:45.27 | unstable | dbindner_: http://pastebin.com/617499 ... I need numerical results, how do I get them instead of fractions? |
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| 04:45.29 | GenNMX|Thrae | iMx: I'm guessing /etc/apt/preferences for apt-build options |
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| 04:45.32 | jknife | [aJ]: np |
| 04:45.37 | dbindner_ | %, numer; |
| 04:45.41 | lavixu | at present i can input. i don know what has happened. sorry to interrupt. |
| 04:45.46 | roby | Why are alsa volume settings reset to 0 and disabled everytime i restart the system? |
| 04:45.46 | iMx | nah its not, theres an apt-build.conf file but i cant find out how it wants it formatting |
| 04:45.49 | lavixu | thanks for jknife |
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| 04:45.51 | dbindner_ | Add ,numer at the end of any calculation. |
| 04:46.15 | GenNMX|Thrae | jknife: No, I mean how xterm gives a menu when you hold CTRL+Left Mouse Click or CTRL+Right Mouse Click |
| 04:46.29 | jknife | .. i didnt know that |
| 04:46.30 | iMx | i cant believe no one here compiles from source :p |
| 04:46.55 | Plasmoduck | I have edited my syslog file and put in auth. * * so it shows info in the console, but it beeps everytime, how do I stop the beeping? |
| 04:46.57 | jknife | i just edit .Xdefaults for default bg/fg color and trans setting |
| 04:46.59 | iMx | or whats debians equivalent of gentoos USE? |
| 04:47.09 | GenNMX|Thrae | curt: How old is your monitor and video card? EDID may not work with stuff that doesn't support DDC, which become popular after 1996. |
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| 04:47.54 | unstable | dbindner_: http://pastebin.com/617505 |
| 04:47.57 | curt | GenNMX|Thrae, Is was reading it ok but got offset by 32 byte somewhere and borked out. I was just trying it out for the sake of trying it... |
| 04:48.02 | GenNMX|Thrae | iMx: If you want to exclude something, use /etc/apt/preferences and set the pin-priority over 500 |
| 04:48.12 | iMx | i dont :p |
| 04:48.24 | iMx | i want to build from source using apt-build but send it certain options when compiling |
| 04:48.24 | dbindner_ | Use %e and %pi for constants. |
| 04:48.40 | unstable | iMx: apt-get source packagenamehere |
| 04:48.45 | GenNMX|Thrae | iMx: Ahhh. I thought Gentoo's USE was just for Emerge? |
| 04:48.58 | iMx | haha you're all getting the wrong end of the stick :) |
| 04:49.36 | iMx | when configuring with ./configure, you can send options such as --disable-x11 |
| 04:49.54 | iMx | i need to tell apt-build to use these |
| 04:49.56 | iMx | but cant find out where |
| 04:50.04 | iMx | similar to USE in gentoo |
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| 04:51.22 | iMx | 693 people and not one person? :) |
| 04:51.35 | curt | iMx I would assume you would just ./configure before dpkg-buildpackage |
| 04:51.58 | curt | !source |
| 04:51.58 | dpkg | methinks source is To work with Debian source packages, cd to a location with free space and run the following: apt-get install build-essential fakeroot && apt-get source <packagename> && apt-get build-dep <packagename>. Then cd into source directory and run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot to build debs from source. |
| 04:52.00 | iMx | no, apt-build should fetch the deps as packages if required, then build the pack from source with the option |
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| 04:53.41 | sanxiyn | I updated http://wiki.debian.org/StatusOfUnstable with info on *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer *** happening with programs using GLIB. |
| 04:53.43 | roby | Wyzard: I re-installed debian, and now /sbin/ifconfig is reporting the proper ip assigned to me by dhcp |
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| 04:54.06 | dbindner_ | unstable: You've realized that 'e' is just the name of a variable, like x. You want %e for Euler's constant. |
| 04:54.14 | aNaPHaZe | can someone tell me how to "select all / copy all / and paste" using nano ? |
| 04:54.52 | JKnife | C K; C U |
| 04:54.59 | JKnife | do it all at one |
| 04:55.04 | JKnife | and it will copy it all |
| 04:55.09 | JKnife | like C KKKKK |
| 04:55.23 | sanxiyn | G_SLICE=always-malloc. Monodoc seems to be affected. |
| 04:55.25 | Wyzard | roby: Probably because you don't have zeroconf anymore |
| 04:55.29 | GenNMX|Thrae | Racists bastards programming Nano! The command is "KKK" ? |
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| 04:55.32 | JKnife | how do i bg a job in one VT and fg it in another? |
| 04:55.51 | Wyzard | roby: Did you see my messages earlier regarding ifconfig only showing the first IP address assigned to an interface, if it has more than one? |
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| 04:56.07 | Wyzard | roby: You probably had both the zeroconf IP and the real one, but ifconfig was only showing you the first one |
| 04:56.07 | GenNMX|Thrae | JKnife: screen |
| 04:56.13 | JKnife | hahah |
| 04:56.13 | aNaPHaZe | jknife that starts taking out lines of the log file? |
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| 04:56.24 | JKnife | it cuts it |
| 04:56.38 | JKnife | GenNMX|Thrae: lol in another i said w/o screen |
| 04:56.45 | GenNMX|Thrae | Ah, sorry |
| 04:56.46 | roby | Wyzard: oh i see, i missed that message... i got disconnected many times from irc when i was doing the restarting of networking script |
| 04:56.50 | JKnife | it ok |
| 04:56.54 | aNaPHaZe | so i gotta push c k like 192 times if there's 192 lines? |
| 04:56.56 | GenNMX|Thrae | Why no screen? That's exactly what it was designed for |
| 04:56.56 | roby | Wyzard: thanks for your help! |
| 04:56.56 | Yashy | I just did a dist-upgrade with 2.6 kernel.. /dev/snd is there, but not /dev/sound* or /dev/dsp*.. any hints are appreciated. |
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| 04:57.17 | GenNMX|Thrae | screen has to hack the ps/tty protocol just to work, so unless you know how to do that... |
| 04:57.22 | JKnife | b/c i didn't have screen running when i started the program |
| 04:57.27 | ic56 | jknife: do you want to do this once, when you start teh command or interactively? |
| 04:57.29 | Wyzard | roby: ifconfig is deprecated anyway, I believe... you should install the "iproute" package and run "ip addr show" |
| 04:57.47 | roby | Wyzard: will do |
| 04:57.47 | Wyzard | roby: That'll show all the IPs assigned to the interface, rather than just the first one |
| 04:57.48 | GenNMX|Thrae | JKnife: Yeah, I've heard that question many times before, usually I hear the answer I was just given |
| 04:58.02 | JKnife | GenNMX|Thrae: yea |
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| 04:58.06 | JKnife | ic56: ? |
| 04:58.08 | GenNMX|Thrae | s/I was just given/I just gave/. |
| 04:58.15 | GenNMX|Thrae | 4 hours of sleep is more then enough, people. |
| 04:58.37 | JKnife | GenNMX|Thrae: i can go on 2 hrs of sleep the whole day |
| 04:58.47 | aNaPHaZe | jknife there's 645 lines of text in this log file .. and you want me to do C K that many times ??? |
| 04:59.01 | aNaPHaZe | there's got to be a way i can copy all the text in the log file so i can paste it all in irc |
| 04:59.05 | JKnife | aNaPHaZe: you asked |
| 04:59.19 | GenNMX|Thrae | JKnife: 2 hours of sleep == rm -rf / (instead of rm -rf ./) just waiting to happen. |
| 04:59.26 | roby | Wyzard: nice |
| 04:59.27 | ic56 | jknife: do you want to setup the differnt tty at startup time, like a redirection, or do you want to start the program, later put it to sleep, and still later resume it in another window? |
| 04:59.32 | JKnife | ... paste 645!!!!! |
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| 04:59.42 | zu22 | greets |
| 04:59.44 | zu22 | fyi, |
| 04:59.45 | zu22 | Why the GPL Doesn't Need a Test Case - http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2006/03/why-gpl-doesnt-need-test-case.html |
| 04:59.57 | JKnife | start the program sleep it and put it in another VT |
| 05:00.16 | JKnife | zu22: thanks for spam :-/ |
| 05:00.19 | JKnife | :) |
| 05:00.20 | JKnife | j/k |
| 05:00.36 | zu22 | jknife: :P |
| 05:00.55 | GenNMX|Thrae | aNaPHaZe: What channel are you going to paste this information? If the server doesn't kick you out for flooding, the channel probably will. |
| 05:01.14 | aNaPHaZe | jknife i'm not a retard.. i wasn't going to paste it here.. i was going to paste it in #flood |
| 05:01.58 | aNaPHaZe | curt told me to copy the file and paste it in #flood |
| 05:02.04 | Yashy | I just did a dist-upgrade with 2.6 kernel.. /dev/snd is there, but not /dev/sound* or /dev/dsp*.. any hints are appreciated. |
| 05:02.18 | aNaPHaZe | which is the whole reason i got irssi on my linux box |
| 05:02.39 | Yashy | if you have to clarify you're not a retard.. |
| 05:03.29 | GenNMX|Thrae | aNaPHaZe: Paste it in http://www.pastebin.com and paste the link here instead |
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| 05:04.01 | ic56 | JKnife: that's hard. When you start the program, it inherits a controlling tty from your shell. There's no way to change that tty from the outside (well, you could writting the process memory directly in /proc). The way screen works, it creates a special tty, associates itself with it, and then all programs you create inherit it. All text from your actual tty is being redirected to that one. |
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| 05:04.23 | LinuxNIT | how would i exclude a sub dir when taring a folder? |
| 05:04.58 | sanxiyn | LinuxNIT: man tar, search for "exclude". |
| 05:05.27 | ic56 | JKnife: There used to be a program called (I think) pty long before screen was around that was used for trickery like that. |
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| 05:06.03 | LinuxNIT | sanxiyn, i did that i dont understand it |
| 05:06.05 | Lavi | #reactos |
| 05:06.17 | aNaPHaZe | hmm.. can you guys see the text that Asmo2 types? |
| 05:06.27 | aNaPHaZe | i cannot see it here |
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| 05:07.05 | sanxiyn | LinuxNIT: tar cf <tarfile> --exclude <directory to exclude> <directory to tar> |
| 05:07.11 | sanxiyn | LinuxNIT: Well, learn to read man page. |
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| 05:08.09 | Yashy | I just did a dist-upgrade with 2.6 kernel.. /dev/snd is there, but not /dev/sound* or /dev/dsp*.. any hints are appreciated. |
| 05:08.50 | aNaPHaZe | GenNMX: how do i copy ALL of the log file and paste it to http://www.pastebin.com ? |
| 05:08.52 | LinuxNIT | sanxiyn, i tried what you typed it didnt work |
| 05:08.58 | LinuxNIT | it still included it |
| 05:08.59 | sanxiyn | LinuxNIT: Works for me. |
| 05:09.07 | sanxiyn | I tested it. |
| 05:09.21 | aNaPHaZe | i thought that you guys could see the text that i was typing from my linux box as "Asmo2" here .. but i guess not.. that's another problem |
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| 05:09.42 | chance2105 | I have a main workstation that is the gateway for the internet for my LAN. Clients inside can only seem to access certain websites; some load slowly, some none at all. My internet is a PPPoE connection. I figure this is a MTU issue; however, I let pppoeconf configure the device with mtu (unsure of the terminology here) to 1472. Not sure what to look for .. ? |
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| 05:10.03 | chance2105 | Or is this an mtu issue at all? |
| 05:10.05 | ic56 | LinuxNIT: please tell us *exactly* what you typed. |
| 05:10.19 | ic56 | LinuxNIT: be careful with tar --exclude : it will exclude *all* files that match the specified name. If the directory tree is big, it may contain matching filenames in places you hadn't considered. |
| 05:10.34 | LinuxNIT | k |
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| 05:10.59 | LinuxNIT | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:11.49 | LinuxNIT | also tried tar cvvf wifi.tar --exclude=/home/shared/Wifi-wiz/current/ Wifi-wiz/ |
| 05:12.04 | LinuxNIT | also tried tar cvvf wifi.tar --exclude current/ Wifi-wiz/ |
| 05:12.09 | ic56 | LinuxNIT: I don't think slashes are allowed in --exclude -- only basenames. That's why I said it's dangerous -- you can't specify the directory in which the thing to be excluded is located. |
| 05:12.11 | fr33mind | dist-upgrade crash... and now, I have the new apt... but gnupg not installed. I need gnupg to be able to apt-get update and I need apt-get update to install gnupg...!! |
| 05:12.18 | angler_ | is there a way to alias a command with a flag to something else? like so: "alias df -h=df" the opposite than usual |
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| 05:12.36 | LinuxNIT | cool thanks ic56 |
| 05:12.42 | Suprise | Hi can anyone help me setup my laptop? Im new to Debian :( |
| 05:12.48 | LinuxNIT | i appreciat YOUR help that worked |
| 05:12.53 | dbindner_ | fr33mind: You could get the .deb files for gnupg and install them with dpkg. |
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| 05:13.07 | Suprise | How do I switch b/w KDE and Gnome? |
| 05:13.24 | Desh | How do I switch b/w KDE and Gnome? |
| 05:13.46 | chance2105 | Desh: Select a new Session in the login manager (however you do that, for whatever login manager you're using) |
| 05:14.14 | Desh | Lol I'll try, i JUSt switched over from XP :P |
| 05:14.28 | Yashy | I just did a dist-upgrade with 2.6 kernel.. /dev/snd is there, but not /dev/sound* or /dev/dsp*.. any hints are appreciated. |
| 05:14.37 | chance2105 | Desh: Just logout, and look for the option to change in the Login prompt. |
| 05:14.50 | fr33mind | dbindner: ok. No way to deactivate the key for a moment? |
| 05:14.55 | Desh | OMG LINES ALL OVER THE SCREEN |
| 05:15.07 | Desh | Obviously i installed crappy drivers :( |
| 05:15.14 | Desh | fries |
| 05:15.21 | Desh | dmn it lol wrong keyboard |
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| 05:17.17 | Desh | YAY KDE!! |
| 05:17.26 | Desh | and sound works! |
| 05:17.30 | Desh | ...i think... |
| 05:17.42 | ic56 | angler_: "alias df -h=df" cannot be done *but*, in some shells it *is* possible to alias the -h. But then it would be aliased regardless of which command it was being supplied to. |
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| 05:18.16 | angler_ | ic56: thanks |
| 05:18.35 | Desh | ok i cant go higher than 800 by 600 or everything gets messed up on the screen |
| 05:19.13 | Desh | does this mean my drivers are crappy? |
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| 05:20.08 | ic56 | angler_: the right way to accomplish this is to write a wrapper script that will remove any -h found in its arguments and pass all the rest of the arguments to the binary. |
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| 05:20.41 | Desh | How come Debian (i used binary 1) doesnt have the gimp of dev tools? |
| 05:20.45 | Desh | *or |
| 05:21.02 | sanxiyn | angler_: If you are trying to override system wide alias df=df -h, just unalias df... |
| 05:21.30 | sanxiyn | Desh: apt-get install gimp, apt-get install build-essential? |
| 05:21.48 | Desh | You know, i read what you said, but I dont understand |
| 05:21.53 | Desh | :( |
| 05:21.55 | Wyzard | If you only used one of the 14 CDs in the sarge release, you only have 1/14th of the software that's available :-) |
| 05:22.05 | Desh | Oh, I see |
| 05:22.09 | Desh | Damn |
| 05:22.16 | Wyzard | Desh: Debian has those things, but they're not (apparently) on the first CD |
| 05:22.22 | Desh | I can download individual software off the web, no? |
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| 05:22.30 | sanxiyn | Desh: Yes you can. |
| 05:22.32 | unstable | Wyzard: not true, those 14 discs isn't everything. |
| 05:22.36 | Wyzard | Desh: yes, apt is very good at that |
| 05:22.38 | sanxiyn | Desh: Commands I gave you do that. |
| 05:22.50 | Wyzard | unstable: They're everything in the official release |
| 05:22.54 | Desh | oh ok |
| 05:23.03 | Desh | Yeah i just switched over from windows |
| 05:23.28 | Desh | so im trying to configure my drivers, like my wlan card and video card |
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| 05:23.50 | Desh | how would i configure my asus wlan card and mobility 9700? |
| 05:24.03 | Desh | i cant set resolution higher than 800 by 600 |
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| 05:24.22 | pei_world | anyone could tell me how to use ntpdate or ntpd in command line |
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| 05:24.47 | pei_world | is your wlan card ipw2200? |
| 05:24.59 | pei_world | intel chipset? |
| 05:25.05 | Desh | no amd64 |
| 05:25.11 | Desh | oh wait |
| 05:25.17 | Desh | umm im so lost lol |
| 05:25.28 | pei_world | wlan card, check it with windows |
| 05:25.34 | sanxiyn | Desh: laptop? |
| 05:25.37 | Desh | yes |
| 05:25.46 | sanxiyn | Desh: Then give us laptop product name. We can search spec for it. |
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| 05:26.11 | pei_world | anyone?? ntpdate or ntpd command line |
| 05:26.24 | Desh | its the cyberpower X64-8500, basiclly a customized z8000 |
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| 05:26.49 | fr33mind | dpkg manualy gnupg isn't a good idea... depency problem :( |
| 05:26.52 | fr33mind | dist-upgrade crash... and now, I have the new apt... but gnupg not installed. I need gnupg to be able to apt-get update and I need apt-get update to install gnupg...!! |
| 05:26.53 | LinuxNIT | with the --exclude option in tar if i used --exclude "fooo" would it include foooblabla or no? |
| 05:27.08 | sanxiyn | pei_world: ntpdate pool.ntp.org (as root) |
| 05:27.13 | sanxiyn | pei_world: That's all you need. |
| 05:27.15 | Desh | I wish I understood what you all were saying |
| 05:27.20 | ic56 | LinuxNIT: not it would not. But "*fooo*" would. |
| 05:27.25 | pei_world | thx |
| 05:27.29 | LinuxNIT | cool thanks |
| 05:27.42 | pei_world | boot to windows write down what wlan card is |
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| 05:27.45 | LtL | pei_world - /usr/sbin/ntpdate time.server.gov |
| 05:28.14 | ic56 | LinuxNIT: careful: the * needs to be protected from the shell. Either put the string in quotes (double or single) or prepend a backslash. |
| 05:28.21 | Desh | i killed windows |
| 05:28.24 | Desh | :) |
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| 05:28.34 | pei_world | what brand of laptop is |
| 05:28.34 | Desh | let me look at that email... |
| 05:28.35 | aNaPHaZe | could someone please tell me how i can paste my log file to http://www.pastebin.com ? |
| 05:28.40 | LinuxNIT | i dont want stars :) |
| 05:28.40 | Desh | z8000 |
| 05:28.51 | pei_world | what? brand name |
| 05:28.55 | LinuxNIT | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:29.05 | LinuxNIT | thanks ic56 |
| 05:29.25 | pei_world | please give brand name and model number |
| 05:29.59 | sanxiyn | pei_world: He did. Scroll up. |
| 05:30.13 | Desh | asus |
| 05:30.17 | Desh | z8000 |
| 05:30.25 | pei_world | ok |
| 05:30.32 | sanxiyn | pei_world: Cyberpower Gamer Explorer X64 8500. |
| 05:30.52 | ic56 | aNaPHaZE: is the difficulting in cutting from the logfile or in pasting to pastebin.com ? |
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| 05:31.12 | Desh | yeah thats it |
| 05:31.47 | aNaPHaZe | both ic56 |
| 05:32.18 | Desh | how do i see something, such as an mp3 player i connect thru usb? |
| 05:32.26 | pei_world | so it is wireless card within cpu? and b mode or g mode |
| 05:32.29 | aNaPHaZe | cutting more than one line at a time .. that is... and pasting it all to pastebin.com |
| 05:32.41 | Desh | yes, g mode |
| 05:32.55 | ic56 | aNaPHaZE: ok, are you using a GUI environment? What do you use to view the logfile? |
| 05:33.01 | pei_world | /dev/sd and key "Tab" |
| 05:33.02 | aNaPHaZe | nano |
| 05:33.25 | pei_world | so I am think is more likely ipw2200 |
| 05:33.34 | pei_world | check ipw2200.sf.net |
| 05:34.12 | ic56 | aNaPHaZE: are you running nano inside an xterm, or are you running it from a text-only console? |
| 05:34.19 | Yashy | I just did a dist-upgrade with 2.6 kernel.. /dev/snd is there, but not /dev/sound* or /dev/dsp*.. any hints are appreciated. |
| 05:34.54 | aNaPHaZe | ic56 from text only .. the whole reason i want to paste the log is that i can't get my mouse to work |
| 05:34.54 | pei_world | try the firmware v2.2 first, since it is more stable version |
| 05:36.14 | Desh | debian 3.1 runs kernel 2.6.81+? |
| 05:36.14 | Desh | *8 |
| 05:36.17 | sanxiyn | Desh: Yes. |
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| 05:36.58 | Desh | k thanks |
| 05:37.01 | babo | Hi guys, I want to run a program in /var/chroot/ that uses my X server ... problem is though, I need to run the program in chroot with 'user' in order for it to use my x server which is running in 'user' ... how do I import my users from / into /var/chroot/ ?? so my chroot program can use my X server ? |
| 05:37.01 | ic56 | aNaPHaZE: ok, does that also mean that you aren't able to use a web browser, or are you able to use a commandline-based browser, like lynx? |
| 05:37.11 | Desh | and what video driver can i use for a radeon mobility 9700? |
| 05:37.30 | sanxiyn | Desh: ATI propreitary one, or r300. |
| 05:37.30 | aNaPHaZe | ic56: i have just started out .. so i don't believe that i have a web browser yet .. |
| 05:37.54 | aNaPHaZe | but i will certainly get lynx right now if you recommend it as a text based web browser so i can paste that stuff |
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| 05:38.06 | sanxiyn | Desh: Both not supported "out of the box". Pity. |
| 05:38.34 | ic56 | aNaPHaZE: lynx is indeed a good text-based web browser, but I've never used to paste. Let me ponder this a few minutes. |
| 05:38.43 | Desh | Hmm |
| 05:38.57 | aNaPHaZe | ok |
| 05:39.02 | Desh | would either of those allow me to use 1400 by 1050 res? |
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| 05:39.27 | sanxiyn | Desh: Sure. |
| 05:39.28 | Desh | Lol i want to run HL2 and Ragnarok online on the laptop :P |
| 05:39.29 | sanxiyn | !ati drivers |
| 05:39.29 | dpkg | If you wish to use ATI's closed-source binary fglrx driver, then follow the instructions on http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian-official/fglrx-driver.html - do NOT try to convert the drivers from ATI's website yourself with Alien. These drivers support Radeon 8500 or higher cards. |
| 05:39.46 | Desh | :O |
| 05:39.54 | babo | How do you import your users into your chroot environment ? |
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| 05:40.05 | moritz_ | hello |
| 05:40.10 | Desh | i need like, a book, like Linux for Dummies |
| 05:40.38 | niaht | babo: copy /etc/passwd and /etc/group into the chroot. |
| 05:40.50 | sanxiyn | Desh: That won't help much... I am not aware of "dummy" books about setting up binary modules to support not-yet-supported-in-kernel hardwares. |
| 05:40.59 | Desh | :O |
| 05:40.59 | sanxiyn | Hm, is there any such book |
| 05:41.10 | babo | niaht: is that all ??? I was thinking that there'd be more to it. Thanks. |
| 05:41.22 | Desh | So theres nothing like, a direct driver? :) |
| 05:41.25 | moritz_ | i got the following problem: i installed a debian package and removed it. then i tried to install the same package from the testing branch. didnt work of course. now when i try to reinstall the stable package some files dont get installed. anyone know what i can do to fix it? |
| 05:41.31 | niaht | Desh: Linux For Dummies is actually what we refer to as 'experience'.. |
| 05:41.35 | sanxiyn | Desh: Not for your hardwares currently. |
| 05:41.45 | Desh | Lol yeah Im new at this |
| 05:41.54 | niaht | Desh: In some way, we all are. |
| 05:42.30 | niaht | Desh: Congrats on the move btw. |
| 05:42.38 | Desh | Yeah but I;ve been using windows for a long time, this is my first time using Linux besides Knoppix |
| 05:42.43 | Desh | Thanks |
| 05:42.53 | Desh | I got tired of windows messing up my mpegs <_< |
| 05:42.59 | pei_world | go to www.ati.com and check out the linux driver |
| 05:43.07 | aNaPHaZe | what's a better "text only" text editor .. better than nano ? .. something that would be easier to copy and paste stuff |
| 05:43.08 | Desh | Yah will do |
| 05:43.34 | sanxiyn | !tell pei_world about ati drivers |
| 05:43.35 | niaht | It's a good step. lol.. well.. if you are in the biz of IT, just keep perspective :) And profit greatly from your new experiences. |
| 05:43.35 | Desh | How do I look at USB devices, i just hooked up my sis's ipod cos I backed all my stuuff on there |
| 05:44.42 | niaht | desh: lsusb and usbview are useful tools. Also some information will be present in /sys and /proc. |
| 05:45.30 | Desh | hmmm |
| 05:45.33 | pei_world | root |
| 05:45.45 | Desh | i typed /proc in location bar |
| 05:45.54 | Desh | theres some folders and files... |
| 05:46.09 | ic56 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:46.14 | niaht | Desh: proc is a location for information from the kernel. You pprobably want usbview or lsusb. |
| 05:46.29 | aNaPHaZe | i have lynx |
| 05:46.33 | Desh | so how would I get to them from the desktop? |
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| 05:46.42 | niaht | Desh: your sisters ipod, was it previously connected to windows, or was it osx? |
| 05:46.56 | ic56 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:47.04 | Desh | windows |
| 05:47.20 | aNaPHaZe | ok |
| 05:47.45 | niaht | desh: you will need to mount the ipod's drive to a directory somewhere. This is getting a wee bit advanced for "your first day with debian"... |
| 05:48.00 | Desh | lol damn my music |
| 05:48.31 | niaht | Desh: usb storage devices use the usb-storage kernel driver (called a module in most cases) |
| 05:48.37 | Desh | either way to get drivers for wlan and ati card im gonna need to learn this |
| 05:48.45 | niaht | Desh: that will be the first thing you need to learn about. |
| 05:48.46 | ic56 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:49.01 | Desh | k |
| 05:49.06 | aNaPHaZe | right.. and then i press space and scroll down and there's a field where i can input info |
| 05:49.28 | Desh | this should be possible w/ only binary 1, no? |
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| 05:50.03 | niaht | Desh: Yeah. |
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| 05:50.36 | Desh | :( |
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| 05:50.42 | ic56 | aNaPHaZe: correct. Use teh cursor keys to get to the place where it says `New Posting'. There's a short and a long pace in which to type. The long one consists of many underlines. Do you see it? |
| 05:50.46 | niaht | Desh: Search for ipod linux mount in google or such. |
| 05:51.03 | Desh | ok wait im using |
| 05:51.07 | Desh | an amd64 |
| 05:51.12 | Desh | 3200+ |
| 05:51.17 | Desh | debian 3.1r1 |
| 05:51.23 | niaht | desh, good.. so am I. :) |
| 05:51.24 | Desh | so is that 64bit linux? |
| 05:51.44 | Desh | i dunno if debian comes in 64bit |
| 05:51.56 | niaht | Desh: You can use the 32 or 64 bit versions of debian. The 64bit version is available, but not yet official. |
| 05:51.57 | cafuego | Yes, it does. |
| 05:51.57 | aNaPHaZe | yes i do |
| 05:52.00 | aNaPHaZe | i'm there |
| 05:52.15 | Desh | ah ok, so its 32bit since im using the stable version |
| 05:52.25 | niaht | Desh: For now, that would be a good idea. |
| 05:52.29 | cafuego | If you want to use video apps, flash and java, you're better off running the i386 version though |
| 05:52.47 | Desh | https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894 |
| 05:52.49 | Desh | which one? |
| 05:52.59 | Desh | i need the pc for video editing and games |
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| 05:53.06 | niaht | Desh: (there *is* a "stable" version of AMD64, but like cafuego said, you will be missing some features) |
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| 05:53.17 | Desh | Ok |
| 05:53.38 | niaht | Desh: You won't be getting drivers from the vendors very often. (vid cards are one of the more common exceptions to that rule). |
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| 05:54.08 | ic56 | aNaPHaZe: now, with the cursor in the big area of underlines, hit control-X followed by i. It will prompt you for a filename. Type in the pathname to the logfile, same as you typed it when starting nano. |
| 05:54.12 | Desh | I know that, even on windows i went with omega drivers, but im a total noob at this |
| 05:54.20 | Desh | i need something to up the res for now |
| 05:54.28 | stoned | hey, is there a command to check what my current DPI is on Xserver? I am running kdm, and I have modified /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc and the ServerArgs line I added -dpi 120, but my fonts are still very small. I of course restarted X/kde after I edited it. |
| 05:54.30 | Desh | i cannot work i 800 by 600 >_< |
| 05:54.34 | Desh | *in |
| 05:54.38 | niaht | Desh: I don't think you want any of those. |
| 05:54.55 | Desh | Lol any suggestions to a pre-compiled driver? |
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| 05:55.19 | niaht | Desh: This is another relatively advanced topic. Search for 'debian fglrx' |
| 05:55.24 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:55.24 | dpkg | [dpi] your Dots Per Inch setting, which affects the size of your fonts. Remove any explicit DPI settings in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc or your display manager's configuration file, and X should autodetect your DPI. If not, add DisplaySize Width_in_milimeters Height_in_millimeters to Section "Monitor" in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4. |
| 05:55.30 | Desh | Seeing as I only know BASIC C++ on windows machines i dont see myself compiling my own drivers anytime soon |
| 05:55.37 | aNaPHaZe | ic56: ok it's all in there |
| 05:55.42 | niaht | Desh: You will be compiling drivers sooner than you think. |
| 05:56.03 | Desh | :) |
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| 05:56.14 | ic56 | aNaPHaZe: finally, move the cursor to the last input field (under "Your Name") and type in your nickname. Then move the cursor to the highlighted `Send' link, and press [ENTER]. |
| 05:56.26 | Desh | Lol i wish someone could help me in person >_< |
| 05:56.45 | stoned | ahh |
| 05:56.47 | stoned | there we go |
| 05:57.01 | niaht | Desh: You'll do ok.. just be patient, and remember you are learning about a whole new *universe* |
| 05:57.07 | stoned | this was the file. /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc. I didn't this had to be modified as well. |
| 05:57.11 | aNaPHaZe | ic56: do i have to put my username from login? or can i just put in a nickname ? |
| 05:57.14 | Desh | Lol yeah, it sure feels that way |
| 05:57.24 | niaht | Desh: I know :) |
| 05:57.43 | Desh | I must fight off the voice telling me to reinstall windows |
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| 05:58.00 | ic56 | aNaPHaZe: any name will do; better if it's one that people on this channel will recognize. |
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| 05:58.17 | Desh | So how well does cedega work? |
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| 05:58.25 | Fed_debian | hello it asks, single I can connect to Internet via dhcp I cannot put one coneccion of the type 192.168.x chewed 255,255,255,0 Fed_debian somebody sabé |
| 05:58.47 | moritz_ | i got the following problem: i installed a debian package and removed it. then i tried to install the same package from the testing branch. didnt work of course. now when i try to reinstall the stable package some files dont get installed. anyone know what i can do to fix it? |
| 05:59.07 | niaht | Desh: Go do some searching on google (don't forget google groups) for debian and terms relating to your video card (such as the brand and model) when you are ready to start working on that. |
| 05:59.07 | Desh | Would you recommend me using a different distro to earn at first or is Debian simple enought? |
| 05:59.22 | menko | if I run apt-file update is it supposed to just sit there and output nothing? |
| 05:59.24 | pei_world | root |
| 05:59.34 | niaht | Desh: I highly recommend starting with Debian. |
| 05:59.53 | aNaPHaZe | ok it's pasted under aNaPHaZe |
| 05:59.58 | niaht | Desh: Not because it is the least complex, but because you stand to learn and gain the most. |
| 06:00.19 | Stevie | Desh: Plus, this *is* #debian. What do you think we'd recommend? ;-) |
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| 06:00.33 | Desh | LOL true |
| 06:00.37 | niaht | Desh: (it's also not the most complex, something like Slackware would be more on that level) |
| 06:00.38 | aNaPHaZe | http://pastebin.com/617583 |
| 06:00.38 | Desh | Alright well its 1am |
| 06:00.40 | Desh | bedtime |
| 06:00.41 | menko | Desh: you'll learn more with debian, but if you hate learning then some other ones make things very simple to do, or at least make it as easy to do as with debian, but that you don't have to set it up. |
| 06:01.09 | Desh | Yeah but I want to go into game development |
| 06:01.14 | Desh | so i want to learn |
| 06:01.20 | Desh | as much as possible |
| 06:01.29 | Desh | about scripting / programming, etc |
| 06:01.37 | niaht | Desh: menko makes a good point, if you prefer to learn as little about the guts as possible, you would want a different distro.. but um.. yeah.. game devel.. stick with us :) |
| 06:01.50 | Desh | Lol alright |
| 06:01.59 | Desh | I'll be aorund tomorrow after school |
| 06:02.04 | Desh | asking for help lol |
| 06:02.12 | niaht | alright.. enjoy! |
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| 06:02.18 | Fed_debian | hello it asks, single I can connect to Internet via dhcp I cannot put one coneccion of the type 192.168.x chewed 255,255,255,0 Fed_debian somebody sabé |
| 06:02.18 | Desh | need to get good before I apply to DigiPen :O |
| 06:02.19 | menko | but I find debian unstable to be faster and more stable than some other distros I've tried |
| 06:02.32 | aNaPHaZe | can someone help me fix my mouse ? http://pastebin.com/617583 |
| 06:02.34 | niaht | menko: ain't it a trip... |
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| 06:03.07 | Desh | Lol I chose Debian bac\\ecause Knoppix was based off of it and I lvoe Knoppix |
| 06:03.12 | Desh | *because |
| 06:03.36 | Desh | But my laptop is evil :( |
| 06:03.45 | Desh | no auto hardware detection |
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| 06:04.11 | niaht | aNaPHaZe: What's it not doing? |
| 06:04.24 | niaht | Knoppix is indeed a nice tool |
| 06:04.53 | niaht | brb |
| 06:06.00 | aNaPHaZe | niaht: it's not doing anything.. i was getting "no core pointer" error when starting gnome .. but i did /modprobe mousedev |
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| 06:06.24 | SonnyBurnett | hi, how can I install firefox 1.5 in debian etch? |
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| 06:06.46 | aNaPHaZe | naiht: i also did echo "psmouse" >> /etc/modules |
| 06:06.57 | Fed_debian | hello it asks, single I can connect to Internet via dhcp I cannot put one coneccion of the type 192.168.x chewed 255,255,255,0 Fed_debian somebody sabé |
| 06:07.19 | Fed_debian | hello it asks, single I can connect to Internet via dhcp I cannot put one coneccion of the type 192.168.x chewed 255,255,255,0 Fed_debian somebody sabé |
| 06:07.20 | Desh | hmm |
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| 06:07.50 | Desh | I went to Linux Control Center - Kernel - and its says No hardware achitecture was found.. |
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| 06:08.52 | Desh | well g2g gnight |
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| 06:10.55 | michael_12 | moin |
| 06:11.00 | Fed_debian | hello it asks, single I can connect to Internet via dhcp I cannot put one coneccion of the type 192.168.x chewed 255,255,255,0 Fed_debian somebody sabé |
| 06:11.17 | niaht | aNaPHaZe: did you already modprobe psmouse or reboot since you did the echo ? |
| 06:11.47 | aNaPHaZe | i did not modprobe psmouse |
| 06:11.55 | aNaPHaZe | i did modprobe mousedev |
| 06:12.01 | niaht | Fed_debian: Forgive, I do not understand. |
| 06:12.39 | niaht | aNaPHaZe: try it. |
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| 06:13.08 | aNaPHaZe | niaht: it says "can't locate module psmouse |
| 06:13.37 | SonnyBurnett | what download manager is good for linux (debian) ? |
| 06:13.40 | aNaPHaZe | earlier when i did mouseprob mousedev it told me i had a ps mouse |
| 06:13.41 | SonnyBurnett | like flashget |
| 06:13.45 | niaht | aNaPHaZe: Are you running a debian kernel? What is the output of cat /dev/psaux? |
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| 06:14.30 | niaht | SonnyBurnett: Your choice really. I don't use one myself (except the built-in functionality firefox provides) |
| 06:15.24 | aNaPHaZe | niaht: i typed cat /dev/psaux and it went to next line and just a flashing curser |
| 06:15.24 | menko | SonnyBurnett: d4x |
| 06:15.24 | menko | SonnyBurnett: there is also prozgui |
| 06:15.25 | niaht | aNaPHaZe: that is positive at least. Is this a laptop with a touchpad or a desktop with a real ps2 mouse? |
| 06:15.34 | aNaPHaZe | niaht: it's a desktop with a real ps2 mouse |
| 06:15.37 | SonnyBurnett | menko: what do you know about kget? |
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| 06:16.05 | aNaPHaZe | niaht: ps2 mouse is the small plug mouse that is colored green and is usually right next to a keyboard plug that is colored purple |
| 06:16.10 | aNaPHaZe | right? |
| 06:16.14 | menko | SonnyBurnett: just another dl manager, not sure if it supports acceleration though(splitting the download up into pieces and downloading in parallel) |
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| 06:16.21 | Coweater | aNaPHaZe: yes |
| 06:16.27 | menko | d4x and prozilla(gui prozgui) do |
| 06:16.27 | niaht | aNaPHaZe: That log you put in pastebin doesn't appear to show any error.. |
| 06:16.32 | niaht | aNaPHaZe: correct. |
| 06:16.54 | SonnyBurnett | menko: which one is the best for you? |
| 06:17.09 | SimonRaven | that doesn't accelerate anything except the increase in heat of the sys admin's temper |
| 06:17.19 | niaht | lol |
| 06:17.46 | SonnyBurnett | lol |
| 06:17.48 | aNaPHaZe | hmm.. how do i get back to my prompt? |
| 06:17.54 | menko | SonnyBurnett: If I'm leaving something download for a day I use prozgui, I use d4x for some other stuff most of the time, but I mostly just use opera's built in one |
| 06:17.56 | niaht | aNaPHaZe: ctrl-c |
| 06:17.56 | aNaPHaZe | it's still sitting there on blinking cursor |
| 06:18.15 | menko | and as for the acceleration thing, I'm just mimicing what the program tells me lol |
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| 06:18.25 | niaht | aNaPHaZe: if you had moved your mouse around, you would have seen a whole ton of junk printed on your screen. |
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| 06:19.04 | niaht | aNaPHaZe: by any chance did you install gpm (i am not saying you should) |
| 06:19.10 | SimonRaven | you're still limited to what you have as bandwidth, the connections in between you and the server, and the server's available bandwidth |
| 06:19.16 | SonnyBurnett | menko: I mean for big downloads.... Does it have resume? |
| 06:19.23 | aNaPHaZe | niaht: yes i did |
| 06:19.25 | menko | SonnyBurnett: yes |
| 06:19.50 | niaht | aNaPHaZe: /etc/init.d/gpm stop or remove it (temporarily at least) |
| 06:19.53 | wireddd | I give up on building sauerbraten |
| 06:20.01 | menko | SimonRaven: I find sometimes a download doesn't use my full bandwidth but splitting it up does |
| 06:20.08 | SimonRaven | now that's as useful feature, resume |
| 06:20.13 | niaht | wireddd: great.. now I'm hungry again.. |
| 06:20.16 | SimonRaven | menko: illusion |
| 06:20.36 | wireddd | heh |
| 06:20.38 | menko | ok... |
| 06:20.39 | niaht | menko: misconfiguration.. and indeed illusion. |
| 06:20.44 | aNaPHaZe | it is stopped |
| 06:20.51 | niaht | aNaPHaZe: try starting X |
| 06:21.08 | SimonRaven | look into QoS. that will help |
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| 06:21.33 | SonnyBurnett | How can I install firefox 1.5? I'm trying from unstable repositories but it says that has conflicts with mozilla-firefox 1.0.7 that I have installed |
| 06:21.40 | aNaPHaZe | X: warning; process set to priority -11 instead of requested priority -10 |
| 06:21.52 | niaht | SonnyBurnett: That may happen. |
| 06:21.55 | SimonRaven | aNaPHaZe: not a big deal |
| 06:22.06 | aNaPHaZe | Fatal server error: Server is already active for display 0 |
| 06:22.09 | SonnyBurnett | just install it? |
| 06:22.17 | SonnyBurnett | or is better to unistall 1.0.7 first |
| 06:22.23 | SimonRaven | aNaPHaZe: startx -- :1 |
| 06:22.29 | niaht | aNaPHaZe: you will have to stop X before you start it again.. |
| 06:22.49 | niaht | SimonRaven: ehehe.. pretty soon he has x instances of X running :) |
| 06:22.53 | SimonRaven | that'll start a second one. |
| 06:23.02 | aNaPHaZe | how to stop it ? |
| 06:23.09 | niaht | aNaPHaZe: How did you start it? |
| 06:23.16 | SimonRaven | ;). but yeh, niaht's right restart gdm or x or whatever's running |
| 06:23.27 | aNaPHaZe | ack! |
| 06:23.31 | menko | SonnyBurnett: are you running unstable? If you aren't you have to install with a backport |
| 06:23.35 | aNaPHaZe | neither were running |
| 06:23.39 | aNaPHaZe | but i can move my mouse now |
| 06:23.45 | niaht | aNaPHaZe: did you use startx previously? |
| 06:23.48 | aNaPHaZe | after startx -- :1 |
| 06:23.51 | aNaPHaZe | what did that do ? |
| 06:24.04 | niaht | aNaPHaZe: It was disabling gpm that did the trick |
| 06:24.09 | SimonRaven | start a second x server |
| 06:24.22 | aNaPHaZe | also: now that x started up |
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| 06:24.26 | SimonRaven | on display :1 |
| 06:24.50 | aNaPHaZe | Show Desktop applet appears to have died |
| 06:24.50 | niaht | aNaPHaZe: later you can get gpm working if you really must have mouse control on the console. |
| 06:24.50 | SimonRaven | which is probably vt 8 on your box |
| 06:25.02 | aNaPHaZe | aswell as "Window List" |
| 06:25.08 | cheikh | anyone knows about postfix i get the following error when trying to send me i get relay access denied message when i try to send mail outside the network |
| 06:25.14 | aNaPHaZe | aswell as "Workspace Switcher |
| 06:25.25 | niaht | aNaPHaZe: You probably want to reboot at this point since I don't really want to instruct you on cleaning up your process enviornment. |
| 06:25.51 | SimonRaven | heh |
| 06:26.05 | SonnyBurnett | !backport |
| 06:26.05 | dpkg | hmm... backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 06:26.08 | niaht | aNaPHaZe: Also, you probably want to install gpm or kdm.. (I suggest kdm, cause I like it better :) |
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| 06:26.51 | niaht | cheikh: a misconfiguration for sure, or rather, the most secure email server you will likely ever set up.. your pickk. |
| 06:26.57 | SimonRaven | i'm having a diffcult time believing this user agent, "NCSA_Mosaic/2.7b6 (X11;dgux 5.4R3.10 AViiON)" |
| 06:27.32 | cheikh | that is why i am here asking |
| 06:27.41 | swbrown | If I want to generate nightly debian packages of a CVS/Subversion repository, how should I handle the version as to not screw up updates? |
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| 06:28.36 | niaht | SimonRaven: http://www-csc.dg.com/csc/default.asp |
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| 06:29.05 | ic56 | echo SimonRaven: |
| 06:29.33 | SimonRaven | ... |
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| 06:29.56 | Spudchat | hi guys |
| 06:30.00 | Stevie | echo echo |
| 06:30.30 | Spudchat | how does the kernel decide what goes into the swap? does it send the least used libraries and processes? or does it send new ones into it |
| 06:30.39 | ic56 | echo Spudchat: |
| 06:30.55 | niaht | Spudchat: it sends the least used chunks of memory. |
| 06:31.00 | SimonRaven | ffs |
| 06:31.05 | aNaPHaZe | ok i rebooted my system .. and once again .. my mouse does not work |
| 06:31.18 | niaht | aNaPHaZe: is GPM started again? |
| 06:31.22 | Stevie | echo lima india tango echo |
| 06:31.25 | aNaPHaZe | probably |
| 06:31.32 | Spudchat | ok thanks, so on a machine with a bunch of services running that arent used that much, using more swap is ok then? |
| 06:31.34 | niaht | aNaPHaZe: well? :) |
| 06:31.44 | Stevie | aNaPHaZe: That's because your nickname is in horrid AlTeRnAtInG CaPs |
| 06:31.46 | aNaPHaZe | how do i get rid of it? i don't need it for the text base stuff |
| 06:31.57 | aNaPHaZe | lol Stevie |
| 06:32.06 | SonnyBurnett | menko: I found firefox 1.5 in backports.. but I cant find a .deb file |
| 06:32.06 | niaht | Spudchat: Yes, but that depends on a number of things. |
| 06:32.17 | niaht | aNaPHaZe: apt-get --purge remove gpm |
| 06:32.30 | niaht | !nickometer aNaPHaZe |
| 06:32.31 | dpkg | 'aNaPHaZe' is 69.000% lame, niaht |
| 06:32.37 | niaht | sorry :) |
| 06:32.52 | aNaPHaZe | lol |
| 06:32.53 | Spudchat | niaht: well im running a apache2, gnump3d, and wildfire, so i figure some of those could take a small performance hit right? |
| 06:33.06 | aNaPHaZe | !nickometer Asmorphix |
| 06:33.08 | dpkg | 'Asmorphix' is 0.000% lame, anaphaze |
| 06:33.16 | niaht | Spudchat: probably. |
| 06:33.22 | aNaPHaZe | <-- Asmorphix |
| 06:33.25 | Spudchat | ok cool, thanks a bunch |
| 06:33.35 | niaht | Spudchat: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=linux+swapiness&btnG=Search |
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| 06:35.51 | Spudchat | !nickometer spudchat |
| 06:35.53 | dpkg | 'spudchat' is 0.000% lame, spudchat |
| 06:35.54 | niaht | hrmm.. interesting question.. is it even possible.. or is that 'fairness fudge' |
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| 06:36.33 | Stevie | !nickometer {fAnTaCiGuRl``} |
| 06:36.34 | dpkg | '{fAnTaCiGuRl``}' is 99.690% lame, stevie |
| 06:36.40 | niaht | !nickometer |<-r@d3l1t3 |
| 06:36.42 | dpkg | '|<-r@d3l1t3' is 99.800% lame, niaht |
| 06:36.44 | niaht | doh |
| 06:36.47 | niaht | ohh well |
| 06:36.49 | Spudchat | lol |
| 06:36.58 | Spudchat | !nickometer billgates |
| 06:36.59 | dpkg | 'billgates' is 0.000% lame, spudchat |
| 06:37.02 | Spudchat | damn |
| 06:37.05 | Stevie | !nickometer {[fAnTaCiGuRl]} |
| 06:37.07 | dpkg | '{[fAnTaCiGuRl]}' is 99.050% lame, stevie |
| 06:37.08 | Spudchat | that was my guess |
| 06:37.12 | Stevie | wow |
| 06:37.15 | Stevie | !nickometer ``fAnTaCiGuRl`` |
| 06:37.16 | niaht | alright.. enough bot abuse :) |
| 06:37.17 | dpkg | '``fAnTaCiGuRl``' is 99.830% lame, stevie |
| 06:37.21 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 06:37.21 | dpkg | it has been said that popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 06:37.22 | Stevie | !nickometer `````````` |
| 06:37.24 | dpkg | '``````````' is 99.9897% lame, stevie |
| 06:37.42 | niaht | aNaPHaZe: Any luck? |
| 06:37.50 | izzyb | !nickometer izzyb |
| 06:37.52 | dpkg | 'izzyb' is 0.000% lame, izzyb |
| 06:37.56 | aNaPHaZe | i'm restarting again |
| 06:38.03 | izzyb | :) wow! I was worried :) |
| 06:38.23 | niaht | aNaPHaZe: ok.. remember to install a display manager later if you didn't already. |
| 06:38.35 | niaht | I think you are safe izzyb |
| 06:38.37 | aNaPHaZe | isn't gdm a display manager? |
| 06:38.43 | niaht | aNaPHaZe: yes it is. |
| 06:38.44 | aNaPHaZe | gnome? |
| 06:39.07 | aNaPHaZe | so if gdm was messing me up .. ? |
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| 06:39.50 | niaht | aNaPHaZe: it really doesn't matter if you choose gdm or xdm or kdm.. so long as you like it.. I run kdm with gnome on one system.. and kdm with kde on many others, and kdm and openbox or sawfish on others. |
| 06:40.16 | niaht | aNaPHaZe: I might be getting tired.. GPM is the culprit.. sorry if I messed you up a bit.. |
| 06:40.27 | niaht | aNaPHaZe: quickly fixed. |
| 06:40.39 | niaht | apt-get --purge remove gpm |
| 06:40.45 | aNaPHaZe | ok .. gpm is gone .. |
| 06:40.55 | niaht | gpm != (but looks a lot like) gdm |
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| 06:41.10 | aNaPHaZe | ok.. ya my mistake .. i did get rid of gpm |
| 06:41.14 | izzyb | just alternating caps? |
| 06:41.15 | aNaPHaZe | i have gdm |
| 06:41.22 | niaht | aNaPHaZe: gdm is fine. |
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| 06:41.23 | aNaPHaZe | for gnome .. it started up fine |
| 06:41.31 | Stevie | i cannot reach 99.99% lameness |
| 06:41.33 | Stevie | :( |
| 06:41.44 | SonnyBurnett | can somebody explain me how to install a backport???? (ie firefox 1.5) |
| 06:41.59 | aNaPHaZe | so gdm for gnome is a display manager right? |
| 06:42.00 | izzyb | hmm, that'd be nice :) |
| 06:42.07 | niaht | aNaPHaZe: (just know that running gnome does not require the use of GDM as the display manager, versus using a different display manager) |
| 06:42.13 | jm_ | SonnyBurnett: the backports.org web page explains it |
| 06:42.40 | niaht | aNaPHaZe: Think of GDM as a display manager.. not as 'gdm for gnome'.. you can use gdm and run kde if you like. |
| 06:42.57 | aNaPHaZe | ok |
| 06:43.26 | niaht | (or use kdm and run gnome.. we all have our wacky moments) |
| 06:43.39 | aNaPHaZe | niaht and all others.. thanks so much for your help .. you helped me achieve my goal for the night with this machine.. more work todo tomorrow after work.. now time for bed. |
| 06:43.46 | niaht | goodnight! |
| 06:44.08 | niaht | I'm off to bed soon too. |
| 06:44.29 | niaht | friday never comes.. *sigh* |
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| 06:44.43 | izzyb | hmm, faq and howto are broken links on backport.org |
| 06:44.44 | SonnyBurnett | jm_: I'm allittle confused.. about "adding lines to etc/atp/preferences" is not the same commenting the line: deb http://www.backports.org/debian/ sarge-backports main every time that I need a backport? |
| 06:45.11 | ic56 | stop_irc |
| 06:46.05 | wireddd | ic56, I don't think stop_irc did anything |
| 06:47.11 | jm_ | SonnyBurnett: well it's not exactly the same |
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| 06:47.23 | ic56 | wireddd: accidentally sent a command into the channel. Sorry about that. |
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| 06:47.48 | deadcat | sounds like somebody's having a case of the friday's |
| 06:47.58 | dood | in /etc/network/interfaces, what's the line you add to a network card to set the nameserver? is it just namesever x.x.x.x? |
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| 06:48.22 | deadcat | dood: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 06:48.39 | dood | oh right, so it doesn't go in there then? |
| 06:48.49 | karsten | dood: Technically, it's not part of interfaces. |
| 06:48.54 | deadcat | dood: theres an option. but it doesnt work |
| 06:49.00 | dood | i know of resolv.conf but i thought it might have to go in there too |
| 06:49.11 | dood | i would google but i'm stuck in a terminal for a while |
| 06:49.19 | wireddd | dood, nope just in resolv.conf |
| 06:49.19 | dood | thanks =) |
| 06:49.20 | karsten | dood: However, you can add any arbitrary pre-up / up / post-up commands you want. |
| 06:49.34 | deadcat | niaht: if you're a blonde. he WILL (= |
| 06:49.37 | karsten | niaht: Hugs are _always_ personal. But yeah. |
| 06:49.43 | dood | ok, thanks guys, peace |
| 06:49.44 | karsten | deadcat: Heh. |
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| 06:49.46 | niaht | lol |
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| 06:50.17 | newcomplexlife | debian irc in spanish??? |
| 06:50.23 | karsten | !es |
| 06:50.23 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 06:50.30 | niaht | I'll be blonde at some point, but unfortunately I don't have the necessary equipment to satisfy. :) |
| 06:50.35 | newcomplexlife | ok thanks |
| 06:50.45 | deadcat | niaht: hahaha. you bald? |
| 06:50.49 | karsten | niaht: That's also solvable with modern medical technology. |
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| 06:50.52 | niaht | lol.. |
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| 06:51.40 | izzyb | for backports, do you just download the deb file and install it or is there a way to get apt-get to fetch it for you? |
| 06:51.40 | wireddd | I would be blonde if I ever went out into the sun.... |
| 06:51.47 | niaht | no not bald (anymore, but I gotta say, bic to the head was quite the experience).. but I think I'm ready for a bleach job.. |
| 06:52.00 | sep | izzyb, it's all in the instructions on backports.org |
| 06:52.00 | jm_ | izzyb: use apt-get/aptitude as the web page says |
| 06:52.31 | niaht | night all |
| 06:52.37 | izzyb | oh, thanks guys |
| 06:53.09 | izzyb | I seen the dead links under docs, but didn't see the 'instructions' link above that |
| 06:53.20 | karsten | izzyb: You see dead links? |
| 06:53.27 | karsten | izzyb: but do they *know* they're dead? |
| 06:53.51 | izzyb | yeah, FAQ and Howto are not found |
| 06:54.15 | izzyb | both link to 'not_finished_yet.html' |
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| 06:54.29 | izzyb | so I guess they aren't really links anyway |
| 06:55.05 | izzyb | I'd assume they must know given the names |
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| 06:55.24 | izzyb | if anything, they should move the warnings and instructions links under the documentation heading I guess |
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| 07:00.28 | Jimz | how can you stop the monitor from going into standby mode after a period of inactivity? |
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| 07:03.13 | jm_ | Jimz: in X or console? |
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| 07:03.17 | jair | hello guys?? |
| 07:03.47 | Jimz | jm_: in both actually, though console as priority |
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| 07:04.15 | jm_ | Jimz: man setterm ; for X, you can set it in config file or man xset |
| 07:04.26 | Jimz | jm_: ok thanks |
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| 07:07.16 | izzyb | cool! |
| 07:07.50 | izzyb | that was painless :) |
| 07:08.22 | ic56 | echo <$0> $2- |
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| 07:10.33 | fr33mind | dpkg: error processing x11-common_6.9.0.dfsg.1-5_all.deb (--install): |
| 07:10.34 | fr33mind | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:10.35 | fr33mind | ?? |
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| 07:11.22 | ic56 | msg izzyb really? That shouldn't have happened. Was it a /msg to you, or did it go to the whole channel? |
| 07:11.23 | fr33mind | I tried to remove x11-common or xfree86-common and nothing to do... |
| 07:11.56 | izzyb | ic56, it went to the whole channel, as did this :) |
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| 07:12.40 | epsilon | fr33mind: rename it to *.backup, install the pkg and compare the new one and backup one? |
| 07:12.51 | SimonRaven | izzyb: ic56 is whom i was referring to when i did this 01:36 ! SimonRaven adds another luser to /ignore |
| 07:13.15 | fr33mind | epsilon: nothing to do. Even if the file isn't there, it doesn't install |
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| 07:13.51 | epsilon | missing write access in that dir somehing? |
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| 07:14.37 | SimonRaven | fr33mind: because it's not looking at the filesystem, it's looking at a list file |
| 07:14.55 | valdyn | freebse: dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/x11-common_6.9.0.dfsg.1-5_all.deb |
| 07:15.11 | fr33mind | drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 320 Mar 23 02:15 X11 |
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| 07:15.54 | fr33mind | let me try .. |
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| 07:16.05 | SonnyBurnett | is prozgui avaiable for testing? |
| 07:16.21 | fr33mind | valdyn: I learn something new ;) |
| 07:16.22 | ic56 | /echo <$0> $2- |
| 07:16.28 | fr33mind | That's work! |
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| 07:18.41 | valdyn | !force |
| 07:18.41 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, force is weak with me today |
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| 07:18.56 | jknife | !cookie |
| 07:19.04 | SimonRaven | !si |
| 07:19.04 | dpkg | it has been said that si is self-injury, or slovenia |
| 07:19.13 | jknife | !snack |
| 07:19.13 | dpkg | Yess, pleaaaaaaaase |
| 07:19.18 | SonnyBurnett | Hey please. is prozgui avaiable for testing? Can I install a stable pkg in testing? |
| 07:19.28 | dondelelcaro | SonnyBurnett: in genera, yes. |
| 07:19.31 | jknife | dont know and yes |
| 07:19.41 | SimonRaven | !tell SonnyBurnett -about search |
| 07:19.46 | SonnyBurnett | dondelelcaro, but my apt doesnt find it |
| 07:19.58 | dondelelcaro | SonnyBurnett: then you need to add a stable sources.list to be able to install it |
| 07:19.58 | valdyn | !info prozgui sarge |
| 07:20.00 | valdyn | !info prozgui etch |
| 07:20.01 | donfilipo | si is italian for yes and that is i have a problem ...eeegain |
| 07:20.05 | dpkg | prozgui: (FLTK-based GUI front end for prozilla), section net, is optional. Version: 2.0.5betaa-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 170 kB, Installed size: 580 kB |
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| 07:20.33 | valdyn | isnt fltk a c++ toolkit? |
| 07:20.56 | SonnyBurnett | dondelelcaro, what about its dependencies? |
| 07:21.22 | dondelelcaro | SonnyBurnett: that's an open question. |
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| 07:21.38 | dondelelcaro | SonnyBurnett: you'll have to look at them, and see if the versions that you're going to install are compatible with testing. |
| 07:21.43 | dondelelcaro | !+depends prozgui sarge |
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| 07:21.48 | dpkg | prozgui: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libfltk1.1c102 (>= 1.1.6), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.4.1-3), libstdc++5 (>= 1:3.3.4-1) |
| 07:21.56 | dondelelcaro | !+info prozgui |
| 07:21.57 | dpkg | Package 'prozgui' does not exist. |
| 07:22.04 | donfilipo | i upgraded my debian with synaptic..those versions 0.8882 to 0.8882.5 and now offcourse my xsrever won't start...being so dumm i forgot the command to configure it |
| 07:22.20 | npx | is there any way to resize an ntfs partition, install linux onto the free space, and install? |
| 07:22.21 | dondelelcaro | SonnyBurnett: however, since it appears to have been removed from testing and unstable, it's quite possible that you don't want to actually use that package at all. |
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| 07:22.40 | dondelelcaro | npx: the installer has resizentfs which can do that. |
| 07:22.52 | dondelelcaro | !drxx donfilipo |
| 07:22.52 | dpkg | donfilipo: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 07:23.27 | SonnyBurnett | dondelelcaro, Can you recommend me a replace for it? a Good Download Manager? |
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| 07:23.36 | donfilipo | thanks dpkg |
| 07:23.36 | dpkg | sure thing, donfilipo |
| 07:23.44 | dondelelcaro | SonnyBurnett: I've no clue what it does in the first place |
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| 07:24.01 | dondelelcaro | SonnyBurnett: download managers are pretty much useless; you just wget foourl; and you get the file. |
| 07:24.23 | wireddd | yeah wget works great |
| 07:24.54 | SonnyBurnett | dondelelcaro, They are very useful.... Download many files at the time. accelerates downloads, etc |
| 07:25.01 | SonnyBurnett | They have resume |
| 07:25.03 | dondelelcaro | SonnyBurnett: wget does all of that. |
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| 07:25.21 | SonnyBurnett | wget does not accelerae |
| 07:25.27 | npx | wget also had sex with your mother ~9 months prior to your conception |
| 07:25.31 | dondelelcaro | download acceleration is generally useless, and it's also not something you should be doing. |
| 07:25.56 | Phleagor | yes |
| 07:26.04 | SonnyBurnett | is there something like Kget for gnome? |
| 07:26.06 | Phleagor | because everything else gets very slow |
| 07:26.59 | dondelelcaro | SonnyBurnett: seriously, learn to use wget. You'll be very glad you did. |
| 07:27.11 | dondelelcaro | you can thank me later. |
| 07:27.12 | jm_ | sonnyg;you can also try d4x |
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| 07:27.13 | SonnyBurnett | let me try |
| 07:27.29 | SonnyBurnett | jm_: dx4 for sarge too? |
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| 07:28.24 | jm_ | SonnyBurnett: yes |
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| 07:28.38 | SonnyBurnett | mmmmmmmmm |
| 07:29.16 | wireddd | dondelelcaro, what is there to learn about wget, it is just wget http://somewhere.com/somefile -O somefile |
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| 07:30.06 | liable | hrm, if thats it, why does it have such a long man page? :) |
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| 07:30.48 | jm_ | liable: and even longer set of info pages |
| 07:31.10 | karsten | wireddd: There's just a tad more to it than that. |
| 07:31.12 | liable | heh, havent even ventured into the info pages yet. :) |
| 07:32.30 | wireddd | karsten, yeah but thats what it is best used for.... |
| 07:32.59 | dondelelcaro | wireddd: until you can resite the options to recursive download only pngs but not from the parent directories and only into this directory without creating any other directories, retry 5 times, and retry on failure... you haven't yet learned wget. |
| 07:33.15 | Phleagor | how can i close windows in twm? :-? |
| 07:33.16 | zebalin4 | hi all |
| 07:33.32 | Phleagor | i mean by the wm itself |
| 07:33.37 | Phleagor | not by file -> close |
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| 07:36.19 | karsten | Phleagor: middle click. You'll get a window menu. IIRC it's "close". |
| 07:36.47 | Phleagor | middle click makes the window go behind all others |
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| 07:37.37 | Phleagor | i will use blackbox now |
| 07:37.39 | Phleagor | brb |
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| 07:38.07 | Phleagor | re |
| 07:38.47 | thefish_ | but then the netstack will spaitch :| |
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| 07:41.28 | Ashex | I'm having some issues when trying to compile madwifi-ng, It keeps giving me an error that I don't have /lib/modules/2.6.8-686/build and to set the kernel path |
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| 07:42.49 | wizzomafizzo | Maybe someone can help, all my x based terminals and outside x keep wrapping any lines onto the same line. I'm using bash if that helps. |
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| 07:43.15 | liable | Ashex: install kernel headers for your kernel |
| 07:43.55 | grandma | anyone know how i can disable the 'wifi0' device loaded by hostap (i think) |
| 07:44.17 | Ashex | liable: I have installed the kernel headers :S |
| 07:44.27 | grandma | i'm not sure how both hostap_cs and orinnoco_cs are loading, i get 2 devices and it messes up my universe |
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| 07:48.12 | wireddd | dondelelcaro, something like this: wget -np -r -A png -nd -P -l 99 -t 5 http://somesite/somepage.html |
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| 07:49.02 | bykte | hi, is there any way to check which port is linked to which program using netstat? |
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| 07:49.24 | jm_ | bykte: yes |
| 07:49.31 | bykte | i tried netstat -p |
| 07:49.35 | bykte | is that correct? |
| 07:49.53 | jm_ | yes |
| 07:49.55 | jm_ | run it as root |
| 07:50.07 | bykte | but all i see is - |
| 07:50.16 | jm_ | be careful when pasting things here |
| 07:50.31 | bykte | hrm.. ok |
| 07:50.32 | Azar | I like netstat -na |
| 07:50.40 | bykte | there is an unknown 17480 running |
| 07:50.44 | bykte | with lots of connection |
| 07:50.48 | jm_ | it works fine for me, you can also try lsof |
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| 07:51.22 | Firefishe | anyone here using xmp3burn? |
| 07:52.26 | bykte | lsof doenst really show much huh? |
| 07:52.52 | Supaplex | Firefishe: is that a survey question? (popcon) or are you asking to ask a question? (ask) |
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| 07:53.34 | jm_ | it does, it shows TCP/IP connection when used properly, but try lsof -p 17480 |
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| 07:54.45 | Firefishe | Supaplex..okay, gotcha |
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| 07:55.04 | bykte | -p s select by PID set |
| 07:55.11 | bykte | dont think that's the arguments for port :x |
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| 07:56.04 | Firefishe | I am trying to compile xmp3burn, a front-end gui to mp3burn; I am getting a qt compile error, regarding qt2 being missing. I can't seem to find it in my installed packages. Are there any older qt .debs for debian 3.0? |
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| 07:56.31 | philth | What user do the samba daemons run as? |
| 07:57.06 | tzafrir | debian 3.0 has qt 2.3 and qt3.0, IIRC |
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| 07:58.14 | dondelelcaro | philth: root generally. |
| 07:58.46 | philth | don't they drop perms after initialization? |
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| 07:59.08 | tzafrir | philth, samba needs to write files as various users |
| 07:59.52 | Firefishe | tzafrir: this is the compile error I get (2 lines). checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt-1.4 (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation! |
| 08:00.12 | Firefishe | what's strange, is this is supposed to be for qt 2.2 |
| 08:00.12 | philth | okay, let me be a little more specific then, with a samba PDC what do the perms and ownership need to be for the netlogon/ and profiles/ shares? |
| 08:00.23 | tzafrir | Firefishe, qt 1.4??? get real please... |
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| 08:00.50 | Firefishe | tzafrir: that's the error the configure script closed with |
| 08:01.11 | Firefishe | I'm just trying to figure out what to do with it. |
| 08:01.38 | SonnyBurnett | can you save files as .jpg with inkscape? |
| 08:02.26 | dondelelcaro | SonnyBurnett: export them as a png and convert if you need to |
| 08:02.32 | Phleagor | it's a vector-graphic-tool, so it makes no sence to save images as jpg |
| 08:03.18 | jm_ | bykte: I thought you're referring to PID 17480, use -i for port ... |
| 08:03.32 | ma3x | which package should I install, for mplayer to support xvid? |
| 08:03.36 | sparr | SonnyBurnett: yes, File / Export |
| 08:03.49 | tzafrir | Firefishe, a quick search at packages.d.o shows no signs of qt1 . Anyway, did you try ./configure --help ? |
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| 08:04.09 | tzafrir | Does it mention qt explicitly? |
| 08:04.24 | ma3x | which package should I install, for mplayer to support xvid? |
| 08:06.08 | Firefishe | tzafrir: thanks. no. I'll go do that. I have read the INSTALL file, but it's generalized. I'll try your suggestion. |
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| 08:07.35 | Firefishe | ah ha, the ol' --enable-with stuff...forgot about that ;) |
| 08:08.22 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: w32-codecs probably has it, iirc. |
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| 08:09.06 | darth_chatri | in which package is the kde ioslave for locate? |
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| 08:10.38 | caffei | hm, ubuntu has it packaged as kio-locate, but I don't believe that debian does. |
| 08:10.39 | wam | Hi! I strace'd a running process that seems to hang. It reads and writes to files with the descriptors 6 and 9. How can I find out, who these files are? |
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| 08:11.30 | Supaplex | wam: figure out where calls to open returned that number |
| 08:11.30 | darth_chatri | caffei: so debian doesnt have a package at all for it? or is it in some other package? |
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| 08:11.54 | wam | Supaplex: therefore I'd need the sourcecode which I don't have... |
| 08:12.02 | caffei | darth_chatri, as far as I can tell, doesn't have it at all, but I'm just going by what I can find with 'apt-cache search kio locate' |
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| 08:12.23 | darth_chatri | caffei: same here |
| 08:12.30 | Supaplex | wam: you're stracing it anyway. the calls to open("file...") = 6 |
| 08:12.43 | Supaplex | wam: use the lovely -o switch of strace if need be |
| 08:13.04 | wam | Supaplex: hmm - the process hangs - and all it does is read write read write read write..... I don't get any opens... |
| 08:13.11 | wols | wam: look in /proc for the process id of the process |
| 08:13.32 | Supaplex | lsof baby |
| 08:13.33 | rredd4 | is command correct? jigdo-lite debian-31r1-i386-binary-1.jigdo I get this when I type it: jigdo-file: Invalid command `debian-31r1-i386-binary-1.jigdo' |
| 08:13.36 | wols | it will be a directory. unter there go into "fd" anddisplay all files there with ls -l |
| 08:13.38 | wam | AAAH - found it. lsof returns the descriptor-numbers AND the way it was opened (r or w)... Thanks anyway ;) |
| 08:13.57 | rredd4 | sarge |
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| 08:17.34 | rredd4 | help with jigdo-file for sarge please |
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| 08:18.07 | Azar | wtf is jigdo |
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| 08:18.46 | rredd4 | helps to download files from servers, such as the sarge dvd\ |
| 08:19.06 | Azar | uh I only use wget, or apt |
| 08:19.09 | Supaplex | !jigdo |
| 08:19.09 | dpkg | i heard jigdo is *the* method for downloading CD/DVD images of Debian. at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ or http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Jigdo/index.html |
| 08:19.48 | rredd4 | Supaplex: read the file.. following directions, still getting errors |
| 08:20.12 | Supaplex | so you can't use a netinst cd? |
| 08:20.34 | phar0e | I am downloading etch beta2 for the amd64 arch and I'm curious if this will be "pure64" I assume so but want to clarify, I am looking for a strictly amd64 system w/o flash or openoffice and no special lib64 directories |
| 08:20.50 | rredd4 | debian loaded already, just want the dvd's. |
| 08:21.06 | rredd4 | have bought them, but the dvd's are no good |
| 08:21.16 | rredd4 | thought I could d/l them |
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| 08:23.50 | SammyTheSnake | can anyone tell me what the right room is to get help specific to the AMD64 port? |
| 08:24.14 | rredd4 | Azar: I don't think you could apt the dvd for sarge. |
| 08:24.19 | SonnyBurnett | why does my system sometimes after hours of work the apps seems to load but anything loads... no image viewe. gimp, etc |
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| 08:24.37 | sep | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:24.47 | Azar | rredd4: i never needed or did a netinstall, naturally I did not know. Thank you Supaplex |
| 08:24.55 | Supaplex | I pondered creating a dual layer one, but it'd be obsolete the second I burned it. |
| 08:25.02 | SammyTheSnake | sep: thanks :) |
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| 08:25.51 | Supaplex | if you have a reliable network connection to update/install via, the cds/dvds are just a waste of your media, everyone's bw and your time etc. no neccessary, but if you really want to. *shrug* |
| 08:25.54 | SonnyBurnett | if I have 1gb of Ram what size should be my swap, 2gb? |
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| 08:26.33 | rredd4 | Supaplex: bw? |
| 08:26.37 | xoz | SonnyBurnett: 2x is ok |
| 08:26.38 | Gnea | that's quite a catfish |
| 08:26.46 | Azar | I tried only once, 3 years ago and I destroyed 17 CDs, none got burned properly: never again |
| 08:26.47 | Gnea | SonnyBurnett: 1gb |
| 08:26.54 | Supaplex | rredd4: bandwidth |
| 08:26.58 | Gnea | !swap |
| 08:26.58 | dpkg | swap is probably still a useful and good thing to have, even with lots of available memory: http://sourcefrog.net/weblog/software/linux-kernel/swap.html |
| 08:27.15 | Deffie | hi all, something messed up my /var/spool/cron/crontabs permissions, anyone can tell me how they are from a stock debian stable ? |
| 08:27.41 | epsilon | SonnyBurnett: 1x - 2x. check with "free" the swap usage |
| 08:27.56 | Supaplex | I only have 256mb swap, and it's still not touched. |
| 08:27.58 | epsilon | size will depend what you run |
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| 08:29.28 | rredd4 | Supaplex: i must admit, I have *wasted* 2 hours just trying to d/l dvds, I quit...! |
| 08:29.37 | Supaplex | I have an instance of qemu, a whole gammot of xterms, a few pdfs, and the gimp open. :) |
| 08:29.41 | SonnyBurnett | epsilon: how do I chek my free space in swap? |
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| 08:29.50 | Supaplex | SonnyBurnett: free |
| 08:29.57 | dpower | SonnyBurnett: free -m |
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| 08:30.30 | Deffie | can you do 'ls -al /var/spool/cron/crontabs' and paste to my query please ? |
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| 08:31.08 | SonnyBurnett | I have 1010 of memory but just 54.. used 955, this is a problem! right?= |
| 08:31.18 | SonnyBurnett | just 54 free |
| 08:31.35 | epsilon | Deffie: there are only user cronjobs |
| 08:31.48 | epsilon | Deffie: tried "crontab"? |
| 08:32.11 | epsilon | SonnyBurnett: no! Linux uses free RAM to cache files |
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| 08:32.24 | dpower | hah ^ |
| 08:32.30 | epsilon | SonnyBurnett: so the RAM usage is normaly always ~100% |
| 08:32.38 | Supaplex | Deffie: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Q4o9jv61.html |
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| 08:33.12 | Deffie | Supaplex thank you |
| 08:33.14 | SonnyBurnett | epsilon, I just have 54 free of 1010...of RAM..... my swap is 511 and 511 free. 9 used |
| 08:33.15 | karsten | !tell SonnyBurnett about free memory |
| 08:33.19 | Supaplex | Deffie: you may want to readup on apt-get, esp the --reinstall part |
| 08:33.34 | Deffie | Supaplex oh |
| 08:33.46 | Deffie | Supaplex do you know to which package belongs that ? |
| 08:33.50 | wols | SonnyBurnett: linux always uses your full RAM. it's a problem when it doesn't |
| 08:33.58 | SonnyBurnett | how can I see the size of my swap partition? |
| 08:34.03 | epsilon | SonnyBurnett: sounds fine for me |
| 08:34.14 | Deffie | Supaplex (i mean the permissions of ...cron/crontabs) |
| 08:34.18 | xoz | memory not used is a memory wasted |
| 08:34.21 | epsilon | SonnyBurnett: fdisk |
| 08:34.22 | Gnea | SonnyBurnett: fdisk -l /dev/hdXY |
| 08:34.31 | Supaplex | Deffie: /msg dpkg search (that's literal, don't add to it) |
| 08:34.49 | xoz | SonnyBurnett: free |
| 08:34.59 | wols | SonnyBurnett: free shows you your total swap |
| 08:35.14 | Deffie | Supaplex okie, thank you again :) |
| 08:35.15 | epsilon | free won't show if the swap partition is not used |
| 08:35.26 | wols | Gnea: that won't show all possible swap. you can set files for swap or more than one partition |
| 08:35.43 | xoz | that's useless assumption |
| 08:35.48 | Supaplex | swapd |
| 08:35.49 | wols | epsilon: I don't have any swap and free correctly tells me 0 total swap |
| 08:35.58 | Gnea | wols: he asked ' how can I see the size of my swap partition?' |
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| 08:36.08 | Supaplex | use a ruler! ;) |
| 08:36.17 | Gnea | !assume |
| 08:36.18 | dpkg | [assume] the mother of all mistakes and (ASS - U - ME): makes an ass of you and makes an ass of me |
| 08:36.22 | epsilon | wols: I mean if swap partition is available, but not used as swap |
| 08:36.25 | rredd4 | are there any adventure games for debian that have great graphics? names? |
| 08:36.35 | cmug | nethack |
| 08:36.36 | Supaplex | rredd4: /msg dpkg search |
| 08:36.49 | wols | epsilon: it say total, free and used. all of them |
| 08:36.49 | SonnyBurnett | But my swap is inside a LVM, how can I see its size? |
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| 08:37.07 | wols | SonnyBurnett: run free |
| 08:37.11 | xoz | epsilon: type free and tell us |
| 08:37.21 | Supaplex | SonnyBurnett: ffs, hire help if you don't get it |
| 08:38.02 | Supaplex | I'll give him credit for asking virtually the same question countless different ways |
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| 08:38.44 | xoz | just fooling us |
| 08:39.03 | Gnea | !lvm |
| 08:39.03 | dpkg | it has been said that lvm is at http://www.sistina.com/products_lvm.htm, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about lvm_tutorial, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
| 08:39.16 | rredd4 | Supaplex: I don't know the names of adventure games to download, just seeing if anyone knows of any and what the name of them are. |
| 08:39.36 | Supaplex | rredd4: fair enough. :) |
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| 08:39.45 | wols | rredd4: I doubt you will find many/any of them |
| 08:39.50 | wols | adventures are dying |
| 08:39.53 | Azar | rredd4: at the debian site you can look for packages .. there are games there for each distro |
| 08:40.10 | rredd4 | ok ty |
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| 08:40.17 | eps | is there a not broken x11-common_6.9.0.dfsg.1-5_all.deb |
| 08:40.17 | eps | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:40.21 | Azar | the coolest game: nethack-console |
| 08:40.34 | eps | I like bzflag way better |
| 08:40.40 | rredd4 | don't sound like a game to me lol |
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| 08:40.57 | Azar | rredd4: it is a game, but is de gustibus: ASCII |
| 08:41.00 | epsilon | .oO (xtris) |
| 08:41.33 | vrt | hello all, has anyone configured X for intel 845gvsr board ? |
| 08:41.37 | vrt | i am on debian sarge |
| 08:41.55 | EruditeH1rmit | hey, is there a way to blacklist modules other than /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 08:42.06 | EruditeH1rmit | I have pcspkr in that file, but it still loads |
| 08:42.17 | Supaplex | gzip the module. :P |
| 08:42.19 | rredd4 | i see, nethack is a d&d game |
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| 08:42.23 | jm_ | !tell EruditeH1rmit -about blacklist |
| 08:43.00 | EruditeH1rmit | jm_: I already did that |
| 08:43.05 | rredd4 | Azar: no gui version? |
| 08:43.07 | EruditeH1rmit | jm_: as I stated above |
| 08:43.20 | Supaplex | EruditeH1rmit: are you running hotplug? |
| 08:43.28 | jm_ | EruditeH1rmit: if you would read it, then you would notice it mentions several things... |
| 08:43.31 | lorenz | hello. i'm trying to put non-us repository in sources.list. is something changed? |
| 08:43.33 | EruditeH1rmit | Supaplex: the new udev/hotplug in one |
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| 08:43.43 | poonj | hey guys... |
| 08:43.52 | EruditeH1rmit | jm_: the other thing is legacy |
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| 08:43.56 | EruditeH1rmit | jm_: deprecated |
| 08:44.09 | poonj | I upgraded gnome to 2.12 under the testing tree. However, evolution freezes everytime I open it up now! |
| 08:44.11 | jm_ | EruditeH1rmit: if you say so |
| 08:44.21 | poonj | is there some type of problem with evolution and gnome 2.12? |
| 08:44.31 | EruditeH1rmit | jm_: read it carefully yourself |
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| 08:44.47 | jm_ | EruditeH1rmit: I have, many times |
| 08:45.32 | Supaplex | EruditeH1rmit: well, YMMV, but I haven't had big issues with gzipping the actual kernel module on disk. :) |
| 08:45.43 | EruditeH1rmit | Supaplex: that works, but its a hack |
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| 08:45.51 | EruditeH1rmit | Supaplex: I could just remove the kernel module |
| 08:46.00 | rredd4 | Azar: slashem - A variant of Nethack |
| 08:46.00 | EruditeH1rmit | Supaplex: its not a nice solution though |
| 08:46.46 | Supaplex | imo it's pretty elegant, and eaiser to remember then the factoid |
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| 08:47.12 | spiral | hello |
| 08:47.38 | rredd4 | hi |
| 08:47.40 | spiral | could anyone help me with a problem I get with 2.6.16 update via apt in sid and vmware ? |
| 08:47.41 | dpower | oi |
| 08:47.47 | Supaplex | granted, the factoid has more premance if you upgrade, but I roll my own kernels, and pay attention to what I need and don't need etc. |
| 08:47.49 | lorenz | i'm using a guide to repository, but my dpkg says that the non-us repository i have putted isn't correct. is something changed? |
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| 08:48.12 | EruditeH1rmit | Supaplex: I used to, but I am trying to stay default everything now |
| 08:48.28 | dpower | !beer dondelelcaro |
| 08:48.31 | EruditeH1rmit | Supaplex: udev should work though |
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| 08:48.48 | spiral | It tells me that "The kernel defined by this directory of header files does not have the same addess space size as your running kernel" |
| 08:49.09 | stoned | !java |
| 08:49.09 | dpkg | it has been said that java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive and forbids you from working on Java implementations or SDKs. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
| 08:49.16 | spiral | I use 2.6.16-k7, and have pointed /usr/src/linux to the headers files from 2.6.16-k7 |
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| 08:49.17 | stoned | !install java |
| 08:49.18 | dpkg | First, read <java licensing>. Still here? Install the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package>. |
| 08:49.31 | stoned | !java-package |
| 08:49.32 | dpkg | [java-package] a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp (the Linux (self-extracting file) NOT the RPM) ; fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; |
| 08:49.39 | Shadda | weird question, I want to make sure all .exe files that get run from my server get run through /etc/cli. It does this on my localbox (unsure how or why) but not on my remote one |
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| 08:49.44 | Shadda | same packages are installed |
| 08:50.00 | dpower | arent exe files windoze files ? |
| 08:50.04 | dpower | 0.o |
| 08:50.04 | Shadda | mono |
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| 08:50.26 | Shadda | running c# stuff under mono :) |
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| 08:52.20 | lorenz | !non-us |
| 08:52.21 | dpkg | methinks non-us is where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2005/05/msg01355.html |
| 08:53.03 | lorenz | uh! |
| 08:53.17 | lorenz | !mplayer |
| 08:53.19 | dpkg | i heard mplayer is not packaged by debian for complicated reasons, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. see <mplayer legal saga> |
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| 08:54.07 | rredd4 | lorenz: what about the codecs for xine to see internet streams, vids? |
| 08:55.01 | rredd4 | !w32codecs |
| 08:55.02 | dpkg | rumour has it, w32codecs is a package, not in Debian (or non-free or contrib) due to legal issues, that provides numerous multimedia codecs normally found on win32 systems for popular but usually proprietary formats. ask me about <marillat> to get it anyway |
| 08:55.21 | lorenz | rredd4, has xine a plugin for mozilla? |
| 08:55.41 | rredd4 | lorenz: don't know |
| 08:55.48 | rredd4 | !marillat |
| 08:55.48 | dpkg | i heard marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> <marillat.etch> <marillat.sid> |
| 08:56.49 | lorenz | rredd4, thanks |
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| 08:57.19 | rredd4 | lorenz: you use mplayer with w32codecs? |
| 08:57.20 | Shadda | I'll rephrase... |
| 08:57.22 | Shadda | how does one ensure that all files of a particular type (extension) are run by a specific program, on linux |
| 08:57.42 | lorenz | rredd4, i wish to use that |
| 08:57.43 | stoned | Shadda, file asscociations |
| 08:57.56 | Shadda | stoned, right, but how/where can I read about em? :) |
| 08:57.59 | spiral | Shadda: it might depend of your desktop environment |
| 08:58.00 | Shadur | Shadda: Short answer? You don't. |
| 08:58.02 | stoned | stoned, depending on your choice of file manager/browser |
| 08:58.06 | stoned | doh |
| 08:58.12 | stoned | s/stoned/Shadda |
| 08:58.16 | Shadda | not running X |
| 08:58.26 | Shadda | plain old server :) |
| 08:58.32 | Shadur | If you use a specific file manager exclusively, you can probably tell it to associate a certain file extension with a certain program. |
| 08:58.36 | Shadur | Shadda: Then no joy. |
| 08:58.44 | stoned | use the name of yoru app followed by the filename |
| 08:58.49 | rredd4 | lorenz: i just want to be able to see what is playing at my local theater via browser, have not got it set up yet. |
| 08:59.01 | Shadda | Shadur, hm, so how does bash know that ./foo.pl should be run through /usr/bin/perl |
| 08:59.02 | Shadda | er |
| 08:59.03 | Shadda | .. |
| 08:59.06 | Shadda | disregard that |
| 08:59.09 | Shadda | can't believe I said that |
| 08:59.09 | Shadur | For one, unix doesn't give two shits about file extensions to begin with. They're just labels to make them easier to read. |
| 08:59.12 | stoned | most cases it works, or else man yourapp and find out the proper switches |
| 08:59.21 | Shadda | #!/usr/bin/perl aaahhhaayyaaa |
| 08:59.21 | Shadur | Shadda: Look at the first line of the script. |
| 08:59.23 | spiral | Shadda: with the shabang |
| 08:59.28 | spiral | Shadda: exactly |
| 08:59.30 | Shadda | Shadur, yeah yeah |
| 08:59.34 | Shadda | the minute I typed that |
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| 08:59.37 | Shadda | I went, "wtF?" |
| 08:59.38 | lorenz | rredd4, i did't understand. |
| 08:59.41 | Shadur | That's called the shabang, and all posix shells honor it. That only works on interpreted scripts, though. |
| 08:59.51 | gnu_style | is the live cd installable? |
| 09:00.02 | Shadda | ok, well |
| 09:00.04 | Shadda | lets put it this way |
| 09:00.06 | stoned | its as installable as |
| 09:00.08 | stoned | ... |
| 09:00.11 | stoned | yo momma! |
| 09:00.12 | Shadda | At home, I run debian (sid |
| 09:00.13 | stoned | j/k |
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| 09:00.29 | Shadda | It has the same packages as my production box (running sarge) |
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| 09:00.38 | Shadur | You could, possibly, horribly abuse the binfmt_misc driver to run an image viewer when you "execute" a jpeg image file, but again, that wouldn't be by extension, it'd be by file type. |
| 09:00.39 | Shadda | on my local box, if I type ./Foo.exe |
| 09:00.46 | Shadda | its automatically run through /usr/bin/cli |
| 09:00.55 | Shadda | however, on the remote box, this is not the case |
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| 09:01.04 | stoned | !flash |
| 09:01.04 | dpkg | methinks flash is If you want the flashplayer browser plugin, go to http://www.flash.com and follow the instructions there. Or look at the flashplugin-nonfree package, or most flash crap you see is from banner ads, and very little of it actual real and potentially interesting content. get yourself some object blocking/filtering extensions in your favourite browser, or missing fonts? install gsfonts-x11 |
| 09:01.04 | Shadda | root@Xanadu:/home/shadda/Quixote/Server# ./Quixote.exe |
| 09:01.05 | Shadda | -bash: ./Quixote.exe: cannot execute binary file |
| 09:01.09 | rredd4 | lorenz: i just want to be able to see what movie is playing via browser, (yahoo lets me see what is playing and I can watch a trailer of a movie) |
| 09:01.24 | Shadda | Gluttony:/home/shadda/Quixote/Server# ./Quixote.exe |
| 09:01.24 | Shadda | [03/23/2006 00:00:00] Server Start Initiated |
| 09:01.36 | rredd4 | lorenz: i have not got it setup in sarge yet |
| 09:01.51 | rredd4 | lorenz: wasn't sure what to use |
| 09:02.08 | Shadur | Shadda: type 'file Quixote.exe' and tell us what it returns. |
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| 09:02.44 | Shadda | Quixote.exe: PE executable for MS Windows (console) Intel 80386 32-bit |
| 09:02.46 | Shadda | local ^ |
| 09:02.54 | Shadda | Quixote.exe: MS Windows PE 32-bit Intel 80386 console executable |
| 09:02.58 | Shadur | .... Ugh. |
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| 09:03.04 | kreg_work | can i just copy over lines in a /etc/passwd and lines in a /etc/shadow file to put users on a different system? |
| 09:03.13 | Shadur | kreg_work: Don't forget /etc/group |
| 09:03.16 | lorenz | rredd4, i have used mplayer in another distro and i can see media streaming with mplayer plugin for mozilla |
| 09:03.27 | kreg_work | Shadur, i just meant "lines" |
| 09:03.30 | kreg_work | not the whole file |
| 09:03.31 | rredd4 | lorenz: hmm |
| 09:03.44 | Shadur | Shadda: Yeah, that sounds like a very, very hideous trick I read about once that involves using wine. |
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| 09:03.48 | rredd4 | lorenz: have not tried it in debian.. yet |
| 09:03.56 | Shadur | But *why* are you trying to run winduhs server software on a linux platform? |
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| 09:04.08 | rredd4 | lorenz: with no other codecs installed? |
| 09:04.42 | Shadda | Shadur, because I went through the trouble of writing a server in c# to work with a client application, and I *do not* run windows servers |
| 09:04.50 | aran | Ǻã |
| 09:05.01 | lorenz | rredd4, wait for a minute and i can say you if taht works :) |
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| 09:05.15 | rredd4 | k |
| 09:05.16 | Shadur | Shadda: using C# was your first mistake, then. Although you might want to look into mono |
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| 09:05.31 | Shadda | Shadur...heh I'm *running* mono |
| 09:05.33 | Shadda | thats the point |
| 09:05.40 | Shadda | /usr/bin/cli is the mono cli |
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| 09:05.47 | Shadda | the file runs just fine on both servers |
| 09:05.50 | Shadda | but on the remote one |
| 09:05.55 | Shadda | I have to type `mono foo.exe` |
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| 09:06.20 | Shadur | Shadda: Sounds like the sid version of mono has that binfmt trick I mentioned twice now built in, or something similar. |
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| 09:07.10 | stoned | Shadda, here is something you might find useful. http://pastebin.com/617676 |
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| 09:08.11 | lorenz | rredd4, it works. |
| 09:08.30 | rredd4 | cool |
| 09:08.45 | Shadda | Shadur, I thought of that, but |
| 09:08.46 | Shadda | root@Xanadu:/home/shadda/Quixote/Server# mono -V |
| 09:08.46 | Shadda | Mono JIT compiler version 1.1.13.2, (C) 2002-2005 Novell, Inc and Contributors. |
| 09:08.48 | rredd4 | right outa the box? |
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| 09:08.52 | Shadda | Gluttony:/home/shadda/Quixote/Server# mono -V |
| 09:08.52 | Shadda | Mono JIT compiler version 1.1.13.2, (C) 2002-2005 Novell, Inc and Contributors. www.mono-project.com |
| 09:09.00 | Assassin5 | !msg dpkg madwifi |
| 09:09.55 | Shadur | Shadda: ... According to my systems, the version of mono in sarge is 1.1.12.1 |
| 09:10.12 | kreg_work | what's the /msg for regain root passwd? |
| 09:10.25 | Shadda | Shadur, right, I've grabbed both versions from the same repo |
| 09:10.28 | Shadur | kreg_work: There isn't one. |
| 09:10.29 | Shadda | (don't hurt me) |
| 09:10.37 | Shadur | Shadda: ... you manually compiled them? |
| 09:10.54 | Shadda | no, I apt-get install -t testing mono |
| 09:11.14 | Shadur | Shadda: You're aware that mixing stable and testing is a really, really, REALLY bad idea, right? |
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| 09:11.21 | Shadur | ~tell shadda about backports |
| 09:11.31 | Shadda | Shadur, heh, I'm aware (of backports too) |
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| 09:11.35 | Shadur | Use those instead. |
| 09:11.57 | Shadda | but, I ran into this situation; the version of mono in stable didn't support namespaces I required, and it would not compile no matter what I tried. |
| 09:12.10 | Shadda | So, I said fook it, and grabbed it from testing |
| 09:12.12 | Shadur | Which is what backports is for. |
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| 09:13.34 | Shadda | Shadur, only had 1.1.12, which had a thread/IAsynResult bug |
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| 09:14.44 | `ns` | ahhh, it's nice to be back in Debian .... tried Ubuntu .... yuck ! |
| 09:14.53 | stoned | dude |
| 09:14.56 | stoned | i said the same thing |
| 09:14.57 | stoned | hah |
| 09:15.04 | Shadda | but ask any ubuntu lover...ubuntu IS debian! cough.. |
| 09:15.05 | Shadda | cough.. |
| 09:15.07 | stoned | i got soooo pissed off at ubuntu, it wasted my time |
| 09:15.29 | Shadda | I tried it for about a day, set it up on a lappy I was about to wipe |
| 09:15.34 | Shadda | not impressed :p |
| 09:15.35 | stoned | hah, I have been working in apt for past 2 hours, I just typed this past line and waited for something to happen |
| 09:15.36 | stoned | lol |
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| 09:15.55 | stoned | actually I run it on my laptop |
| 09:16.06 | stoned | it works great there for some reason, mostly because I don't use it as much |
| 09:16.11 | `ns` | I always run fluxbox as my wm , somehow Ubuntu managed to make fluxbox slow .... and left many programs off the fluxbox menu ... |
| 09:16.25 | stoned | i can't live without kde |
| 09:16.41 | Stevie | I can live without kde, but doing so requires living with Windows |
| 09:17.12 | Shadda | heh...when it comes to servers, I love debian. can't beat it. but...I just can't take linux as a desktop. Way too much maintenance. Just the little, tiny things that bug me |
| 09:17.13 | aran | i can get into KDM ,but i can`t login KDE. warnig :"Failed to set up write-combinig range (0xf0000000,0x1000000)." what shuld i do? |
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| 09:17.19 | stoned | i've been there done that with minimal wm's. I now need a proper desktop, I can't be bothered with configuring every little thing. Plus, pc's are so fast these days, and memory is so cheap, the bloat factor doesn't really evne matter as much |
| 09:17.24 | lorenz | stoned, anyone lives his adventures... yesterday i'm saw a lot of blasphemies due to gentoo! |
| 09:17.33 | `ns` | if I needed kde and something really easy to work with I would tend towards mepis ... thats what I have on my laptop |
| 09:17.34 | k31th | I cant seem to remove the moodle package, i get this error http://pastebin.com/617681 |
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| 09:17.55 | weasel00 | `ns` : is mepis small? |
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| 09:17.55 | aran | i can get into KDM ,but i can`t login KDE. warnig :"Failed to set up write-combinig range (0xf0000000,0x1000000)." what shuld i do? who can help me? thanks!~ |
| 09:18.04 | caffei | I run KDE on :0, openbox on :1 (gaming), and GNOME (w/ Xgl) on :2. All with one monitor. Yeah, I'm weird. ;^) |
| 09:18.09 | stoned | and plus, if you only use kde-core with whatever other apps you need, its not that bad at all, especially kde 3.5, its best of it so far |
| 09:18.18 | dondelelcaro | yuck |
| 09:18.27 | Shadur | caffei: Neat. XGL in debian yet? |
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| 09:18.38 | caffei | Shadur, ubuntu :o |
| 09:18.40 | `ns` | weasel00, mepis is cdr size |
| 09:18.41 | rredd4 | gnome, gnome, gnome on my desktop1 |
| 09:18.42 | Stevie | Whatever KDE is ucrrently in etch kicks MASSIVE ass in the usb flash drive dept. |
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| 09:19.22 | k31th | anyone have any ideals ? |
| 09:19.26 | stoned | caffei, I run desktop on :0, laptop ubuntu over the network on :1, windows xp rdesktop on :2, and use keytouch to make the extra keys on my keyboard use chvt and switch between all of those with a single keypress |
| 09:19.44 | Stevie | k31th: A world where gcc never has optimization bugs |
| 09:19.44 | weasel00 | need to find a smaller wm for my laptop. 333mhz 64 ram is struggling with gnome lol |
| 09:19.45 | stoned | all this on a dual head nvidia system |
| 09:19.55 | stoned | weasel, use openbox |
| 09:20.02 | caffei | stoned, nice |
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| 09:20.13 | k31th | Stevie: thanks, but i ment with my apt error |
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| 09:20.38 | design | 大家好 |
| 09:20.44 | Stevie | k31th: ah. I suppose my ideals there would be: ideally there would never be any apt errors |
| 09:20.44 | weasel00 | stoned : thanks ill check it out =) |
| 09:20.45 | aran | ð |
| 09:20.52 | aran | Լˣ~ |
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| 09:20.52 | dimir | k31th: try to remove it using aptitude. |
| 09:21.00 | design | aran 呵呵 |
| 09:21.05 | rredd4 | weasel00: if i owned a 333mhz laptop, i would not have gnome either... fluxbox.. or something like that |
| 09:21.11 | aran | i can get into KDM ,but i can`t login KDE. warnig :"Failed to set up write-combinig range (0xf0000000,0x1000000)." what shuld i do? |
| 09:21.14 | rredd4 | to use |
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| 09:21.20 | aran | ֪ |
| 09:21.20 | stoned | weasel, i think you should be alright with icewm or fvwm etc. as well. also look into whatever box wm's you can, flux, black, etc. |
| 09:21.36 | k31th | dimir: apptitude ? |
| 09:21.39 | dimir | wŗētūtūdfģģhžxččvņ! |
| 09:21.42 | `ns` | openbox looks interesting, may have to try it someday |
| 09:21.45 | dimir | k31th: ye |
| 09:21.59 | dimir | k31th: with 1 'p' |
| 09:22.02 | caffei | I like openbox a lot, even though blackbox has more features. |
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| 09:22.16 | stoned | yeh, I like kde |
| 09:22.17 | stoned | ;) |
| 09:22.20 | caffei | heh |
| 09:22.26 | design | 我不懂哪些代码 |
| 09:22.36 | stoned | i tried out gnome 2.14 |
| 09:22.38 | stoned | its just hype man |
| 09:22.38 | aran | T_T |
| 09:22.51 | lorenz | `ns`, try blacbox before :) |
| 09:22.55 | stoned | not really much improvements that I could see, kde has been able to do stuff like that for a while now |
| 09:22.58 | rredd4 | if I had a 333mhz computer, I would give it away. If someone would still want it.. lol |
| 09:22.59 | design | 我现在只能在vm上debian 了 |
| 09:23.12 | mngrif | rredd4, mind you i run a P2-400 |
| 09:23.13 | caffei | design, did you just discover UTF-8? |
| 09:23.15 | `ns` | lorenz, I converted from black to flux about 2 years ago :) |
| 09:23.20 | stoned | its not the eye candy factor, its the usability |
| 09:23.21 | design | 想体验一下fluxbox |
| 09:23.26 | stoned | i still work heavily in konsole |
| 09:23.26 | aran | ֻܽKDMKDEˡҲǰ~õVM~ |
| 09:23.28 | Stevie | when it starts up it will play a 2600hz sound through /dev/dsp |
| 09:23.34 | stoned | whoah hey |
| 09:23.34 | mngrif | KEKEKE |
| 09:23.38 | stoned | whats going on with the fonts there man |
| 09:23.39 | kreg_work | can you just copy and paste users from /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow to add them to another system? |
| 09:23.46 | stoned | english man come on |
| 09:23.48 | mngrif | Stevie, nice :) |
| 09:23.57 | lorenz | `ns`, lol ;) and why? |
| 09:24.04 | design | 那你开个新的 console |
| 09:24.18 | aran | what shuld i do? |
| 09:24.19 | design | 用startx |
| 09:24.22 | rredd4 | mngrif: ok.. wow! |
| 09:24.23 | Stevie | i'll bind the numeric keypad to make payphone coin sounds |
| 09:24.25 | `ns` | lorenz, I can't even remember anymore .... |
| 09:24.28 | stoned | yeah |
| 09:24.35 | stoned | I want to make a program called woman |
| 09:24.36 | design | ctrl + alt + F2 |
| 09:24.40 | Stevie | man woman? |
| 09:24.43 | stoned | dunno what i'll make it do though |
| 09:24.53 | design | or just ctrl +F2 |
| 09:24.54 | stoned | probably be like the manpages, only with a lot of bitching and moaning |
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| 09:24.56 | stoned | etc. |
| 09:24.58 | stoned | i dunno |
| 09:24.59 | Stevie | stoned: always crash with a fake error |
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| 09:25.05 | [miles] | morning #debian |
| 09:25.09 | mngrif | rredd4, oh that's nothing, i installed gentoo from stage1 on a P-150 before |
| 09:25.11 | aran | һȥ |
| 09:25.16 | stoned | make love: cannot make love, too many arguments |
| 09:25.18 | Stevie | $ woman crontab |
| 09:25.25 | design | 回去试试 ？ |
| 09:25.29 | lorenz | stoned, in order to do the woman manual you will take 20 years :D |
| 09:25.34 | caffei | have it remove itself after a certain amount of years and demand child process support |
| 09:25.36 | Stevie | You can't remember how to use crontab you worthless piece of crap? |
| 09:25.37 | [miles] | wondered if anyone knows any scripts that can convert a mbox (copied from Thunderbird) to cyrus-imap ? |
| 09:25.41 | weasel00 | adslkfjasdkjfh the the the eh as /me |
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| 09:25.57 | Noboru | aran, nihao |
| 09:25.59 | stoned | dude it has been about 8000 years and we still can't write descent manual |
| 09:26.06 | stoned | on women |
| 09:26.10 | aran | ɡװVMEAR TOOLS ͽˡ |
| 09:26.10 | design | <Noboru> 你好 |
| 09:26.12 | lorenz | :P |
| 09:26.18 | Stevie | gah |
| 09:26.24 | Ashex | my only available resolutions are 800x600 and 640x480 |
| 09:26.32 | Ashex | how do I add other resolutions? |
| 09:26.37 | design | 呵呵 |
| 09:26.38 | Noboru | aran, they dont allow other language to be posted to here other than english |
| 09:26.46 | stoned | Ashex, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 for sarge or xserver-xorg for etch/sid |
| 09:27.00 | Noboru | aran, vmware ? |
| 09:27.07 | lorenz | Ashex, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 09:27.08 | aran | Noboru OK |
| 09:27.21 | Noboru | aran, where did you download vmware tool ?here mine says i dont have it installed |
| 09:27.25 | rredd4 | lorenz: i have xine installed, when I go to play movie trailers, via mozilla, it won't let me play it. |
| 09:27.43 | aran | not download |
| 09:27.49 | Noboru | aran, my debian runs fine in vmware on windowsxp |
| 09:27.53 | rredd4 | mngrif: gentoo in a p-150, wow! text only? |
| 09:28.03 | aran | Noboru me too |
| 09:28.07 | Noboru | aran, but i click in vmware to 'install tool',nothing happen |
| 09:28.13 | lorenz | rredd4, apt-get install mozilla-mplayer |
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| 09:28.20 | mngrif | rredd4, yeah, using vesa-tng for a very nice framebuffer. it actually made an excellent network client |
| 09:28.28 | Ashex | stoned: where can I get the video card's bus identifier? |
| 09:28.37 | stoned | dont' worrya bout it |
| 09:28.40 | stoned | just hit enter |
| 09:28.42 | Noboru | design, hi |
| 09:28.50 | aran | you should mount /cdrom then install Vm tools |
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| 09:29.02 | Noboru | aran, oh,let me try |
| 09:29.06 | aran | ok |
| 09:29.07 | stoned | if you're anal about it do lspci -X and look for your video card, stuff like 0:1:0 etc. at the beginning of line will be your bus identifier |
| 09:29.20 | liable | Ashex: you have the headers installed, but madwifi is still looking for build? build should be a link to your headers. check that link. (sorry for the late reply :) |
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| 09:29.30 | Noboru | aran, cdrom ? |
| 09:29.32 | kreg_work | how do you move a bunch of users from another system without copying the entire /etc/passwd /etc/shadow /etc/group from one system to another. i already have a working system with current users |
| 09:29.33 | rredd4 | lorenz: says couldn't find, I am using sarge. is this unstable? |
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| 09:29.36 | Noboru | aran, i dont have vmware cd |
| 09:29.39 | aran | mount /cdrom |
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| 09:29.50 | kreg_work | can't i just copy a bunch of the user lines in each file to the new one? |
| 09:30.00 | lorenz | rredd4, apt-get install mplayer-mozilla |
| 09:30.02 | Firefishe | I am looking for a way to burn an audio cd from .ogg files; what program(s) might be available? |
| 09:30.05 | aran | vm >> install vm tools^ |
| 09:30.05 | Shadur | kreg_work: Copy the relevant lines from group, passwd and shadow and make sure there are no UID conflicts. |
| 09:30.08 | Noboru | aran, you have vmware cd ? |
| 09:30.23 | wols | kreg_work: you can. but make sure you don't have 2 lines with the same user ids |
| 09:30.36 | kreg_work | Shadur, why group? if it's just users, gid is 100 |
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| 09:30.40 | stoned | use vmware trial to create virtual machines, and use free vmware player to play them. |
| 09:30.42 | rredd4 | lorenz: same message, couldn't find |
| 09:30.51 | Shadur | kreg_work: "if". Bad assumption to make. |
| 09:31.02 | wols | kreg_work: under debian, and user is in its own group |
| 09:31.09 | Stevie | how does one 'play' virtual machines? |
| 09:31.13 | wols | *any |
| 09:31.17 | lorenz | rredd4, have you put marillat repository? |
| 09:31.26 | rredd4 | nope |
| 09:31.27 | liable | with virtual fingers?? |
| 09:31.32 | Stevie | ah |
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| 09:31.37 | lorenz | rredd4, put him |
| 09:31.38 | stoned | Stevie, its called vmplayer, it 'plays' virtual machines, now dont' be a smarty pants about it |
| 09:31.49 | wols | !tell rredd4 about marillat |
| 09:32.02 | rredd4 | ty |
| 09:32.07 | Stevie | don't be a vmplaya hata |
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| 09:32.23 | stoned | i need more weed |
| 09:32.44 | Stevie | just 'play' a virtual mary jane garden |
| 09:32.46 | liable | drugs are bad, mmkay? |
| 09:32.56 | stoned | i should wake up my wife, I'm horny. Or should I...? *evil grin* |
| 09:33.03 | Shadur | Don't hate tha vmplaya, hate the vmgame. |
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| 09:33.09 | lorenz | Stevie, but with vmserver is possible to create a virtual machine? |
| 09:33.16 | bykte | stoned, wtf? |
| 09:33.28 | caffei | hmm, people shag while on drugs...? that never occured to me ;o |
| 09:33.33 | stoned | weed is not a drug, man, its just really strong tobacco. |
| 09:33.39 | bykte | stoned, try some stealth sex |
| 09:33.44 | Shadur | Dude. Tobacco is a drug as well. |
| 09:33.54 | stoned | Shadda, yeah well then food is also a drug |
| 09:34.01 | stoned | by all characteristics of its definition |
| 09:34.08 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 09:34.08 | dpkg | < bouncing> This is not a Debian question, but you guys probably use Thinkpads... :) Can I take apart a thinkpad screen and literally remove an insect? < greycat> hahaha |
| 09:34.20 | Stevie | what food has nicotine? |
| 09:34.33 | bykte | nicotine gum |
| 09:34.35 | streuner | !politics |
| 09:34.35 | dpkg | hmm... politics is Yerp. Everyone has their own opinion. Please discuss them elsewhere. This is #debian, not #politics. [If you wanna discuss politics, that's cool, just do it elsewhere.] |
| 09:34.42 | wols | stoned: wrong. billions of people live without weed or tobacco. very few without food |
| 09:35.04 | lorenz | !ctrl + alt + canc |
| 09:35.06 | Stevie | wols: what about the entire population of ethiopia |
| 09:35.12 | stoned | all food has tiptophane in it. and other chemicals drugs, naturally occuring but they do, coffee, tea, umm i can go on |
| 09:35.15 | lorenz | !ctrl alt canc |
| 09:35.23 | Fox | hi |
| 09:35.24 | wols | they do not live without food, or they die. simple as that |
| 09:35.27 | lorenz | !ctrl+alt+canc |
| 09:35.30 | Stevie | !start an arch war |
| 09:35.30 | dpkg | m68k is the greatest thing since sliced bread. |
| 09:35.39 | stoned | people are addicted to food, they depend on it |
| 09:35.41 | lorenz | !microsoft |
| 09:35.41 | dpkg | methinks microsoft is the soft conglomerate of stature that provides the food to billions of apathetic morons who want to sit on the asses of thier undoing so their minds can melt into the pixelized universe that is The Daily Show |
| 09:35.46 | Stevie | !start an os war |
| 09:35.46 | dpkg | BSD is better than Debian! Amiga Rocks! |
| 09:35.55 | lorenz | LOL |
| 09:35.55 | tarzeau | !abuse |
| 09:35.55 | dpkg | RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again! |
| 09:36.04 | stoned | !sex |
| 09:36.04 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 09:36.04 | wols | stoned: yes, everyone is addicted to food. ALL of us. but not all of us are addicted to weed |
| 09:36.12 | tarzeau | Stevie: you know there's debian gnu/kfreebsd |
| 09:36.13 | Stevie | stoned: By that definition, people are also addicted to oxygen. |
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| 09:36.14 | lorenz | !freebsd |
| 09:36.14 | dpkg | [freebsd] NOT better than debian, and it is not worse. It is just different. See http://www.freebsd.org/. Admittedly one might be more interested in using FreeBSD as a server OS rather than as a desktop workstation. |
| 09:36.28 | stoned | wols, yes, but thc doesn't cause an addiction, so noone can be addicted to weed |
| 09:36.34 | tarzeau | dpkg freebsd is also there exists debian gnu/kfreebsd, see #gnu-kbsd |
| 09:36.34 | dpkg | tarzeau: okay |
| 09:36.45 | rredd4 | lorenz: i put in the deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sarge main and ran update, still got couldn't find message |
| 09:36.52 | wols | stoned: there is physical addiction and psychological. you should know this |
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| 09:36.57 | stoned | it isn't even a psychological addiction, let alone a physical one. it has nothing to do with chemical dependency |
| 09:37.16 | Stevie | It's more of a desire to get stoned |
| 09:37.21 | stoned | people can smoke, then they quit, no big deal, its not even a psychological addiction |
| 09:37.22 | lorenz | BSD is better than Debian! Amiga Rocks! [freebsd] NOT better than debian, and it is not worse. It is just different. See http://www.freebsd.org/. Admittedly one might be more interested in using FreeBSD as a server OS rather than as a desktop workstation. ---- ehm... |
| 09:37.40 | Stevie | !start an editor war |
| 09:37.40 | dpkg | pico is known to cause birth defects |
| 09:37.45 | stoned | dude |
| 09:37.51 | stoned | you're big on war starting |
| 09:37.56 | stoned | you must be american |
| 09:37.58 | stoned | ;) |
| 09:37.59 | tarzeau | !peace |
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| 09:38.01 | lorenz | rredd4, apt-cache search mplayer |
| 09:38.08 | mentesuprema | Does anyone know where are the keymaps used for xorg? |
| 09:38.13 | wols | stoned: as if you aren't. btw: how are your kidneys? |
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| 09:38.14 | Stevie | Americans aren't big on starting wars |
| 09:38.14 | Ashex | GRRR!!!! WE AMERICANS MUST DEFEND ALL! |
| 09:38.14 | stoned | tarzeau must be a democrat |
| 09:38.15 | stoned | hehe |
| 09:38.15 | tarzeau | mentesuprema: dpkg -L |
| 09:38.24 | Stevie | We're big on ending them, though. |
| 09:38.25 | lorenz | !start a world war |
| 09:38.25 | dpkg | Israel kicks Saudi ass! |
| 09:38.25 | stoned | wols, huh what dude, :) lol my kidneys? |
| 09:38.28 | Shadda | lorenz, iirc there's no mplayer package in the lists...I had to get mine from marillat |
| 09:38.28 | caffei | !start a DE war |
| 09:38.31 | tarzeau | stoned: i live in switzerland |
| 09:38.33 | lorenz | GHGHGHGH |
| 09:38.33 | Shadda | or mallirat...w/e |
| 09:38.33 | inf3 | How can I change the name of my computer in Linux/Debian/KDE? |
| 09:38.39 | Fox | !start a nuclear war |
| 09:38.39 | dpkg | SHALL WE PLAY A GAME? |
| 09:38.40 | stoned | tarzeau, hehe im playing man |
| 09:38.43 | tarzeau | inf3: using hostname |
| 09:38.46 | deadcat | inf3: hostname |
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| 09:38.51 | Stevie | haha |
| 09:38.58 | stoned | tarzeau, hows the swiss cheese up north there then |
| 09:39.01 | deadcat | inf3: or change /etc/hostname, /etc/hosts, reboot |
| 09:39.05 | Ashex | Pop Quiz: Is debian laptop friendly? |
| 09:39.13 | tarzeau | stoned: very nice. and the snow is good, chocolate, girls clocks |
| 09:39.14 | stoned | deadcat, you know where I can score new family guy episodes. |
| 09:39.20 | inf3 | thx |
| 09:39.24 | deadcat | stoned: mininova.org |
| 09:39.27 | tarzeau | stoned: countryside, www.myzuri.ch www.myswitzerland.com |
| 09:39.31 | lorenz | Shadda, rredd4 has just putted marillat repository. |
| 09:39.32 | wols | stoned: mary jane can and does kill your kidneys. and no, this is not DARE scaremongering. look up dialysis |
| 09:39.38 | stoned | tarzeau, do you know where I live? |
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| 09:39.46 | rredd4 | lorenz: I see mplayer-386 nothing with mozilla on it |
| 09:39.48 | tarzeau | stoned: nope? |
| 09:40.09 | tarzeau | stoned: also try http://www.usgang.ch/ and http://ch.tilllate.com/ |
| 09:40.10 | mentesuprema | tarzeau: But what's the name of the keyboard layout package? |
| 09:40.19 | tarzeau | stoned: oh and never forget www.meinbild.ch |
| 09:40.27 | lorenz | rredd4, pvt |
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| 09:40.29 | tarzeau | mentesuprema: find out at packages.debian.org |
| 09:40.36 | mentesuprema | Puaj |
| 09:40.44 | mentesuprema | Just say you don't know |
| 09:40.47 | tarzeau | !fish |
| 09:40.47 | dpkg | fish is, like, FISHFISHFISH! DO THE FISH DANCE! "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate, instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, why not read some docs, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered?, or http://edulinux.homeunix.org/fish.html |
| 09:40.48 | Ashex | why the hell doesn't my power button work? |
| 09:40.51 | tarzeau | mentesuprema: i can find it out. can you? |
| 09:40.54 | stoned | wols, I am willing to take that risk. I have been smoking since I was 12 years old. Its a cultural thing. I also have been skateboarding since I was 8, and I have been training brazillian jui-jitsu since I was 14. I am in very good health, and I smoke everyday. I dont' use tobacco of any kind. |
| 09:41.02 | stoned | tarzeau, right now I am in redneckville |
| 09:41.06 | tarzeau | mentesuprema: but this time of day i'm on stable. ask me in 10 hours again |
| 09:41.19 | design | 走了？？ |
| 09:41.20 | tarzeau | stoned: i know some people live near the cockburn island (bahamas) |
| 09:41.26 | stoned | lol |
| 09:41.28 | mentesuprema | On Stable or Unstable? x D |
| 09:41.38 | tarzeau | mentesuprema: i'll be on unstable again, 10 hours later |
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| 09:41.45 | aran | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:41.47 | mentesuprema | Puf |
| 09:41.52 | tarzeau | mentesuprema: why don't you just use setxkbmap? |
| 09:42.11 | dondelelcaro | design: can you please stop writing in non ascii here? This isn't really the approrpriate channel for that. |
| 09:42.22 | caffei | aran, what kind of video card? |
| 09:42.23 | stoned | anyone know of a good nonbloat torrent gui client with minimal features of at least speed limits per torrent etc. |
| 09:42.35 | tarzeau | stoned: checked trickle yet? |
| 09:42.38 | aran | vmware :) |
| 09:42.39 | stoned | no |
| 09:42.43 | stoned | but I can |
| 09:42.52 | deadcat | stoned: rtorrent no good? i use bittornado |
| 09:43.05 | caffei | aran, aha, well something is trying to use MTRRs and vmware probably doesn't support that |
| 09:43.06 | design | <dondelelcaro> oh yeah , thank you , i won't |
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| 09:43.20 | mentesuprema | What I need is to know where is the dvorak.kmap used in GUI, because the one in /usr/share/keymaps works only on terminal |
| 09:43.20 | stoned | man I can't be bothered to take the time and learn all the keyboard shorties for rtorrent |
| 09:43.32 | design | <aran>: you really do not have to stick this problem , |
| 09:43.36 | caffei | aran, dunno how you'd fix it, but it's not a debian problem for sure |
| 09:43.39 | design | reboot and see |
| 09:43.40 | mentesuprema | I have to edit it because I moved some keys on my keyboard |
| 09:43.45 | deadcat | stoned: same here. i just use bittornado and let it do its thing |
| 09:44.18 | aran | caffei ,thanks :-) |
| 09:44.25 | caffei | np |
| 09:45.20 | stoned | qtorrent is pretty good |
| 09:45.27 | stoned | its just old |
| 09:45.50 | caffei | azureus is the most featureful, but it also uses java :x |
| 09:46.12 | stoned | god java is a piece of shit |
| 09:46.22 | dimir | ye. |
| 09:46.55 | stoned | but unfortunately gtk-gnutella sucks and frostwire ownz |
| 09:47.41 | dondelelcaro | why not just use rtorrent? surely the curses interface sufficies for your needs? |
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| 09:48.36 | tarzeau | is there some tool to merge popularity-contest logfiles and evaluate them and make fancy graphs? |
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| 09:50.43 | lcore | stunnel q: I'm following http://www.stunnel.org/examples/syslog-ng.html. The question is whether I need to open port 5140 on *client* machine? And just to be sure I do need an open tcp :5140 on server, yeah? |
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| 09:52.43 | design | <stoned> : please pay attention to your language "shit" |
| 09:53.32 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 09:53.32 | dpkg | qotd142 is probably <greycat> BIG FUCKING HUGE MISTAKE telling me you have gcc 4.0 and that you can't fucking read the FAQ. |
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| 09:54.27 | stoned | hey ok |
| 09:54.39 | stoned | can I say fecal matter instead? |
| 09:54.39 | Zagor | anyone know what's up with the latest sendmail security announcement? "For the unstable distribution (sid) this problem has been fixed in version 8.13.6-1." but that version is not available! |
| 09:54.55 | deadcat | stoned: frostwire requires java ya? |
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| 09:55.19 | stoned | deadcat, it doesn't start up without it, so I can only conclude this |
| 09:55.21 | Zagor | http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/sendmail.html "Last version: 8.13.5-3" |
| 09:55.39 | tarzeau | it should be latest version |
| 09:55.44 | tarzeau | last means, there won't be other versions anymore |
| 09:55.48 | liable | design: this isnt a g rated channel. |
| 09:55.52 | azeem | Zagor: it needs manual attention |
| 09:55.52 | tarzeau | this is REALLY bad english |
| 09:55.58 | azeem | Zagor: http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html |
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| 09:56.10 | deadcat | my hairy aunt |
| 09:56.15 | stoned | design, java is such a piece of human feces |
| 09:56.32 | Zagor | azeem: ok, thanks. |
| 09:56.51 | stoned | its unbelievably drenched in custom made fecal solutions |
| 09:57.09 | dondelelcaro | the suckiness or lack of suckiness of java is really OT here. |
| 09:57.10 | azeem | stoned: I think we got your point now, thanks |
| 09:57.15 | stoned | heh :) |
| 09:57.56 | tarzeau | what's the other deborphan, something with forest called? |
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| 09:58.04 | stoned | debfoster |
| 09:58.07 | tarzeau | stoned: ah thanks |
| 09:58.10 | aran | design you are Chang Zhou`s people? |
| 09:58.12 | stoned | lol forest |
| 09:58.34 | tarzeau | stoned: it's really a forest of packages |
| 09:58.57 | tarzeau | why can't i remove gnome-games and keep gnome? this sucks |
| 09:59.39 | azeem | gnome is a meta-package |
| 09:59.40 | stoned | you can |
| 09:59.47 | azeem | you can safely remove it |
| 09:59.58 | stoned | apt-get --purge remove gnome* && apt-get install gnome-core |
| 10:00.01 | tarzeau | azeem: ohh i get it. can i remove the depends stuff of meta packages somehow? |
| 10:00.02 | stoned | drastic measures |
| 10:00.15 | azeem | tarzeau: sure, "somehow |
| 10:00.15 | azeem | " |
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| 10:00.26 | tarzeau | i hoped you tell me the somehow part, heh |
| 10:00.32 | Greek-Boy | what is the command to change password from command line? |
| 10:00.36 | azeem | I don't know anything automatic, sorry |
| 10:00.39 | stoned | tarzeau, apt-get --purge remove gnome* && apt-get install gnome-core |
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| 10:00.53 | azeem | tarzeau: you can use aptitude and purge everything in the gnome section |
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| 10:00.56 | liable | Greek-Boy: man passwd |
| 10:00.57 | azeem | or dselect |
| 10:01.22 | Greek-Boy | thanks |
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| 10:02.00 | stoned | !remove gnome |
| 10:02.01 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
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| 10:02.29 | stoned | tarzeau, start with gnome-core and add apps as you need them |
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| 10:06.01 | efaistos | iop |
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| 10:11.00 | ac3 | Hi |
| 10:11.13 | ac3 | Im using courier-maildrop with postfix and courier-imap on debian sarge. I compiled ldap support in courier-maildrop. I have a general maildroprc filter file in /etc/courier, this works great, but my per user .mailfilter files dont seem to work |
| 10:11.27 | ac3 | is there a compile option that enables or disables it? |
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| 10:15.44 | Nameeater | how safe is it to run e2fsck on a mounted file system? (I know it says servere) |
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| 10:17.36 | ac3 | Nameeater: if you run it in readonly mode, there is no problem |
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| 10:18.33 | Nameeater | any idea if -c is read only? :) |
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| 10:19.17 | tarzeau | Nameeater: not safe at all |
| 10:19.31 | tarzeau | Nameeater: never run it on a rw mounted fs |
| 10:19.39 | Nameeater | crap :( |
| 10:20.18 | Nameeater | how can I find out if the disks (its raid1) are bad or not? I've had a 40gb drive die and I would like to know if the other 2 this guy gave me are stuffed or not |
| 10:20.30 | tarzeau | soft or hardw raid? |
| 10:20.41 | Nameeater | soft |
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| 10:24.36 | dobster | I'm using debian sarge and trying to change the default display manager, etc., to just KDE, not Gnome. Been googling for a while but haven't sorted it out yet. Can someone help? |
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| 10:25.10 | rafas | hey, someone can help me with a sarge XEN installation? |
| 10:25.35 | Nameeater | tarzeau, does this sound like an idea: anyway youll want to init 1, then mount -o remount,ro / then e2fsck -c ? |
| 10:25.41 | unix_infidel | this is really odd, i cant do a proper ping of my own ip, nor can i ping the name dyndns assigns me, but i can access my apache stuff and the like? |
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| 10:26.09 | dobster | I changed /etc/X11/default-display-manager to be /usr/bin/kdm and not gdm, but that wasn't enough |
| 10:26.48 | tarzeau | rafas: can you ask more specific? |
| 10:26.48 | dobster | oooh, think I found it... hang on |
| 10:26.59 | tarzeau | Nameeater: what is really your problem? and what do you want to do? and what happened? |
| 10:27.12 | unix_infidel | anyone with any ideas? |
| 10:27.18 | tarzeau | unix_infidel: your ip? |
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| 10:27.27 | unix_infidel | tarzeau: 68.94.2.63 |
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| 10:27.50 | tarzeau | unix_infidel: do you run some firewall? |
| 10:27.57 | tarzeau | unix_infidel: did you play with sysctl ? |
| 10:28.05 | cube | hello is somebody from Poland? |
| 10:28.16 | cube | anybody? |
| 10:28.20 | azeem | !pl |
| 10:28.20 | dpkg | somebody said pl was sometimes referred to as "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl |
| 10:28.22 | Nameeater | tarzeau: I have got a server off a friend and one of the HDDS completely died, I want to chec that these other two drives as I hope to store use this box to store data |
| 10:28.24 | unix_infidel | tarzeau: its a hardware firewall but i was able to ping it just fine before i setup dyndns |
| 10:28.41 | tarzeau | unix_infidel: which hardware firewall exactly? |
| 10:28.48 | unix_infidel | tarzeau: netgear router. |
| 10:28.54 | tarzeau | unix_infidel: dyndns name? |
| 10:28.59 | unix_infidel | blueomega.ath.cx |
| 10:29.23 | tarzeau | unix_infidel: it resolves right for you? |
| 10:29.35 | unix_infidel | tarzeau: yea...but i cant ping it for some reason. |
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| 10:30.01 | unix_infidel | i suppose it doesnt matter as long as it supports all the services that i want to associated to that dyndns name. |
| 10:31.38 | tarzeau | unix_infidel: sysctl -a |grep icmp |
| 10:31.52 | tarzeau | unix_infidel: got ipv6? |
| 10:32.14 | tarzeau | pollux: but here if you want |
| 10:32.16 | Nameeater | tarzeau: so was that suggestion pretty safe to do? |
| 10:32.24 | unix_infidel | tarzeau: nope, not ipv6. |
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| 10:32.35 | tarzeau | Nameeater: i didn't read further |
| 10:33.08 | Nameeater | tarzeau: init 1, then mount -o remount,ro / then e2fsck -c |
| 10:33.33 | dobster | sorted out gdm/kdm. Default install doesn't even include kdm does it? I'll go and sit in the corner and be a newbie for a bit longer :( |
| 10:34.05 | tarzeau | dobster: no *dm is default |
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| 10:35.31 | liable | dobster: you can install which ever one you prefer. and set it with dpkg-reconfigure ?dm |
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| 10:38.30 | dobster | well, it's a few weeks since I did the install and don't remember exactly. Gnome was what I had and wanted KDE. I changed the default-display-manager, as I mentioned, but I needed to install kdm before it worked. |
| 10:39.12 | dobster | a bit of inexperience... only been using debian for a few weeks, and Linux not that long either |
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| 10:41.19 | mortal__ | how do I make dpkg forget that I have a package installed? |
| 10:41.34 | Eclipser | remove the package? |
| 10:41.38 | liable | uninstall it? |
| 10:42.08 | mortal__ | well, it doesnt uninstall cleanly |
| 10:42.16 | mortal__ | complains about groups |
| 10:42.26 | mortal__ | there is some bug in the removal script |
| 10:42.55 | liable | mortal__: check the bts, look at the uninstall script, or do it all by hand (be carefull) |
| 10:43.23 | mortal__ | liable: I would just like to see the whole thing forgotten |
| 10:43.26 | mortal__ | because it is just some group |
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| 10:44.59 | mortal__ | well, I modified the script |
| 10:45.46 | liable | mortal__: comment the set -e and see how goes |
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| 10:55.13 | st0ner | hi, i have no alsa sound until i run alsa-conf then its fine, but after rebooting i have the same prob again. anyone can help? |
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| 10:57.37 | design | <aran>: are you guy a hacker ? |
| 10:57.43 | design | how to you know ? |
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| 10:58.26 | Fox | mortal__: try editing /var/lib/dpkg/status |
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| 10:59.21 | design | <stoned> hehe :) java is slow |
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| 11:01.03 | Henk | How do i specify in a debian control file (package creation) that the package i'm offering conflicts with a package, so people installing my package are forced to uninstall the conflicting package ? |
| 11:01.21 | Henk | I've tried Conflicts: |
| 11:01.37 | liable | Henk: check the debian-mentors ml |
| 11:01.44 | dondelelcaro | Henk: uh... that's what Conflicts: does. |
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| 11:03.07 | Henk | dondelelcaro, yea i thought so but installing my package does not ask for removing the offending package |
| 11:03.23 | Henk | maybe its a typo let me check |
| 11:03.28 | dondelelcaro | Henk: what is the dpkg-deb -I output of your package, and what is the offending package's name? |
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| 11:03.57 | dondelelcaro | and it won't offer, it'll just error out unless you're using apt-get. |
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| 11:04.36 | design | <dondelelcaro> :why debian starts so slow ? |
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| 11:05.55 | dondelelcaro | design: eh? |
| 11:05.57 | liable | hehe, that reminds me of !irritate :) |
| 11:06.02 | Henk | dondelelcaro, never mind it was just a typo... sometimes i can look at some word 10 times and still not see it totaly spelled wrong. |
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| 11:06.36 | dondelelcaro | design: if you want it to start faster, use CONCURRENCY=shell or similar. |
| 11:06.37 | design | from boot to XDM |
| 11:06.56 | dondelelcaro | or just don't shutdown ever. |
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| 11:07.55 | design | there are lots of things that i would never use ,but they are added to setup list |
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| 11:08.04 | dondelelcaro | design: then remove them. |
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| 11:08.19 | dondelelcaro | design: you've got aptitude, apt-get, or synaptic... it's trivial to purge packages. |
| 11:09.26 | design | and the default kernel config include lots of drives and options that i dont need ... |
| 11:10.38 | dondelelcaro | design: uhh... the default kernel doesn't load any modules that you don't need, so I don't see what your point is. |
| 11:10.53 | lac | apt-get install openoffice.org says ' openoffice.org is already the newest version.' but it is 1.1.3 |
| 11:11.02 | lac | has there been a name change? |
| 11:11.10 | dondelelcaro | lac: are you using stable? |
| 11:11.21 | lac | hmm, maybe on this machine. ..... |
| 11:11.23 | lac | yes. |
| 11:11.33 | lac | aha, I need to get it from testing? |
| 11:11.44 | dondelelcaro | lac: then that's the version that was current when stable released. You can upgrade to testing, or you can install a backport. Your choice. |
| 11:11.55 | lac | thanks very much. |
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| 11:12.15 | dondelelcaro | np |
| 11:12.41 | design | np ? |
| 11:12.53 | jayr168 | why does firefox doesnt follow system fonts |
| 11:12.53 | dondelelcaro | !np |
| 11:12.54 | dpkg | it has been said that np is "no problem", or "null pointer", or "no pants", or non-deterministically polynomial, or ningn problema!, or "Now Playing", an abbreviation used by those lame mIRC/WinAmp plugins |
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| 11:15.19 | design | thank you <-------- np |
| 11:15.48 | design | <dondelelcar> : what are you in this channel ? |
| 11:16.36 | azeem | design: if you address people, don't do so in angle brackets |
| 11:16.42 | azeem | those are considered as quoting |
| 11:16.59 | opqdonut | and having the whole nick is kinda polite too |
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| 11:17.30 | opqdonut | jayr168: it uses its own broken rendering system |
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| 11:17.38 | opqdonut | abandon all hope ye who enter.... |
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| 11:18.22 | dondelelcaro | design: I play a carbon based life form, but there is a chance that I am silicon based. |
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| 11:19.42 | design | C and Si |
| 11:19.50 | design | if they are together |
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| 11:20.12 | Fleck | in which package is the aclocal ? |
| 11:20.21 | azeem | Fleck: autoconf |
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| 11:20.34 | Fleck | ok |
| 11:20.54 | azeem | Fleck: ok, I lied |
| 11:20.56 | azeem | Fleck: automake |
| 11:20.56 | azeem | sorry |
| 11:20.59 | Fleck | :) |
| 11:21.10 | Fleck | thanks anyway! :) |
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| 11:21.55 | dondelelcaro | !tell Fleck -about search |
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| 11:22.17 | dondelelcaro | Fleck: you may find what dpkg told you useful to find out that information on your own next time |
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| 11:24.08 | Fleck | ok thanks |
| 11:24.23 | design | <dondelelcaro> i don't understand what you told me ,so abstrusenessly |
| 11:25.45 | azeem | design: please do not use angle brackets to address people, did you understand? |
| 11:26.10 | Nazxul | Looks like you're quoting them when you do. |
| 11:26.56 | design | well , maybe i should ask : dondelelcaro : what do you do in this channel ?\ |
| 11:27.10 | azeem | design: what people do in here is their own business |
| 11:27.22 | azeem | he answered, so please drop it now |
| 11:27.39 | design | ok |
| 11:28.26 | design | maybe i dont understand you ... however i didn;t mean any unpolite |
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| 11:29.23 | jm_ | quality |
| 11:29.25 | liable | what the hell was that about? |
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| 11:31.35 | liable | away /msg |
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| 11:31.46 | lcore | when trying to run stunnel in chroot can't create stunnel.pid. What is the correct ownership and rights of /var/run/stunnel4 (dir)? |
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| 11:35.45 | JasonX | can someone help me to reinstall lilo onto /dev/hda. i have booted from a knoppix live cd and have a console but cannot work it out |
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| 11:38.31 | jm_ | JasonX: many people can help you |
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| 11:39.56 | JasonX | im all ears |
| 11:40.16 | jm_ | you need to explain your problem first |
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| 11:40.34 | JasonX | i have cloned a drive but it wont boot, so i want to reinstall lilo into the mbr |
| 11:41.00 | JasonX | i have read about 6 lilo guides but they dont seem to describe this situ, or they miss points |
| 11:41.05 | jm_ | do you know how to instal lilo? |
| 11:41.17 | JasonX | well i tried /sbin/lilo |
| 11:41.38 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 11:41.38 | JasonX | but it couldnt find /etc/lilo.conf presumably i have to mount the drive or not or? |
| 11:41.39 | dpkg | it has been said that popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 11:42.41 | jm_ | yes, mount it and then chroot into the right dir |
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| 11:43.00 | YogSothoth | Hi |
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| 11:43.24 | YogSothoth | I'm trying to create an alias to simplify my db dumps but something is wrong: http://pastebin.com/617797 Why does gzip complain about the file? |
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| 11:43.51 | jm_ | YogSothoth: you need shell functions if you want to process arguments |
| 11:44.05 | YogSothoth | function, ok thanks |
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| 11:46.09 | lorenz | !bash |
| 11:46.09 | dpkg | somebody said bash was the Bourne Again Shell, and the default debian shell. |
| 11:46.21 | tarzeau | !zsh |
| 11:46.21 | dpkg | zsh is probably at http://www.zsh.org (Powerful UNIX shell), usage tips at http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/zsh/tips.html, or good article here: http://www.daemonnews.org/199910/zsh.html, or much more powerful than bash, or going from bash to zsh is like switching from redhat to debian, or #zsh, or postpone questions until finishing http://zsh.sunsite.dk/Guide/ |
| 11:46.25 | lorenz | !scripting |
| 11:46.25 | dpkg | hmm... scripting is a verbose bot abuse language script. read foo, while dollar foo equals slash dot regexp do forget channel |
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| 11:50.15 | YogSothoth | jm_: I updated my .bashrc: http://pastebin.com/617811 thank you |
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| 11:52.22 | sebkron | could someone recommend me a linux program to make convertion from SWF (macromedia flash) to avi format? |
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| 12:03.35 | eeman | hello? |
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| 12:03.46 | menko | hi people, when I type sudo <graphical program> (e.g nedit) , it says NEdit: Can't open display |
| 12:03.49 | eeman | ? |
| 12:04.02 | eeman | anyone there? |
| 12:04.05 | menko | what can I do to get it to work? |
| 12:04.09 | jm_ | eeman: use sux |
| 12:04.16 | jm_ | pardon that was for menko |
| 12:04.23 | eeman | ok |
| 12:04.35 | eeman | can someone help me with something quickly |
| 12:04.50 | eeman | after i logged in and i got GRUB working |
| 12:05.01 | eeman | it wouldnt let me start xwindows |
| 12:05.16 | menko | jm_: will sux also work with sudo? |
| 12:05.39 | jm_ | menko: no, sux is a replacement for su, it's not meant to be used with sudo, but you can also use sudo to achieve the same |
| 12:05.47 | eeman | ill brb |
| 12:06.26 | menko | because for certain programs, I'd like to type sudo e.g halt, without having to type a password, but it doesn't work with graphical programs |
| 12:06.43 | jm_ | it can work if you configure it properly |
| 12:07.08 | menko | I read through the man page but I couldn't find anything(it was so long hehe) |
| 12:07.24 | jm_ | alternatively, export your mit-magic-cookie as user and import it as root -- /msg dpkg mit-magic-cookie ; /msg dpkg runstuffasroot |
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| 12:08.37 | eeman | anyone there? |
| 12:09.09 | eeman | can anyone help me get to the gui in deb? |
| 12:09.23 | menko | but If I type su first, I can run graphical programs, just doesn't work with sudo |
| 12:09.25 | Shadowcat | it's not that hard to enable root access to X |
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| 12:09.54 | menko | even if I go sudo nedit as root it gives that error |
| 12:10.13 | Shadowcat | or you could generate an .XAuthority file for root |
| 12:10.27 | menko | I can run programs as root using su |
| 12:10.30 | menko | graphical ones |
| 12:10.34 | menko | but not with sudo |
| 12:10.41 | Shadowcat | menko: if you want help you gotta LISTEN |
| 12:10.45 | Shadowcat | and stop whining |
| 12:11.01 | Shadowcat | the command "su" does not generate a login shell |
| 12:11.10 | Shadowcat | which "su -" and "sudo" do |
| 12:11.22 | Shadowcat | now get over that fact already |
| 12:11.31 | menko | ok |
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| 12:11.50 | menko | ah, su - also has that problem |
| 12:12.01 | Shadowcat | it's not a problem |
| 12:12.07 | Shadowcat | it's doing what it's been designed to do |
| 12:12.18 | Shadowcat | it's a problem for YOU, it's not a problem with the program |
| 12:12.20 | dimir | It's PEBKAC! |
| 12:12.28 | Shadowcat | the program is behaving just as it should |
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| 12:12.38 | Shadur | Shadowcat: Yeah, but I kind of miss the ability to run 'sudo ethereal' over a ssh-forwarded X session. |
| 12:12.41 | Shadowcat | dimir: well ya in this case there's quite a lot of pebkac |
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| 12:13.00 | Shadowcat | Shadur: so generate your own XAuthority file for root and get it over with |
| 12:13.21 | menko | so do I need to put something in /root/.bash_profile? |
| 12:13.43 | eeman | hello? |
| 12:14.21 | menko | so how do I get it to not do that then? |
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| 12:14.25 | JasonX | jm_ : OK I'm back in thx for help |
| 12:14.46 | eeman | can someone please help me, all i want to do is get it to start xwindows or the debian equiv |
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| 12:15.05 | menko | eeman: I haven't even read what you have to ask |
| 12:15.06 | Shadowcat | yup, dimir was right, pure pebkac |
| 12:15.16 | Shadowcat | menko still doesn't get the concept |
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| 12:15.36 | nkuttler | eeman: /msg dpkg set up x |
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| 12:16.01 | menko | I was used to doing that with ubuntu and mandriva so I just wanna know how to get it working with debian... |
| 12:16.11 | Shadowcat | I already told you |
| 12:16.12 | Shadowcat | READ |
| 12:16.20 | jm_ | JasonX: no worries |
| 12:16.31 | Gnea | !beer Shadowcat |
| 12:16.37 | Gnea | Shadowcat: go AFK :) |
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| 12:16.53 | menko | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:17.02 | Gnea | menko: what do you want to do, exactly? |
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| 12:17.10 | Shadowcat | Gnea: he wants to enable gui access for root |
| 12:17.15 | menko | Gnea: I want to be able to run gui programs with sudo |
| 12:17.19 | Shadowcat | which can easily be done by generating the right XAuth file |
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| 12:17.42 | eeman | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:17.42 | Gnea | !sux |
| 12:17.42 | dpkg | well, sux is su with xauth, to run X apps as root: http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ or sucks, or "I have an exagerrated opinion about something I don't really know much about.", or apt-get install sux, or something that anyone who spells "sucks" as "sux" does. |
| 12:17.52 | Shadowcat | Gnea: we've given him that already |
| 12:17.53 | nkuttler | eeman: um, i told you what to do |
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| 12:18.08 | Gnea | menko: there you have it, install and run sux. |
| 12:18.09 | eeman | im sry i wasnt here i was AFK eating breakfast |
| 12:18.11 | menko | Gnea: I can do it with su, but not with sudo |
| 12:18.23 | Gnea | menko: again, sux is what you need. |
| 12:18.24 | nkuttler | eeman: learn how to use /lastlog |
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| 12:18.37 | Shadowcat | menko: you've already been told that you need to generate XAuth credentials for root |
| 12:18.45 | Shadowcat | now if you don't know how to do it, it's not our problem |
| 12:18.46 | eeman | all i want to do is start a gui |
| 12:18.47 | menko | Gnea: I can't type sux nedit |
| 12:18.52 | nkuttler | eeman: and i doubt you had breakfast in three minutes |
| 12:18.53 | eeman | like startx? |
| 12:19.02 | eeman | i was eating b4 |
| 12:19.02 | Gnea | menko: then you didn't follow directions. |
| 12:19.07 | Gnea | !tell menko about sux |
| 12:19.07 | nkuttler | wtf... |
| 12:19.12 | eeman | i dont know the debian kernel |
| 12:19.15 | nkuttler | eeman: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 12:19.17 | eeman | i only basic slackware |
| 12:19.20 | eeman | ok |
| 12:19.26 | Gnea | !tell eeman about set up x |
| 12:19.36 | menko | sux nedit |
| 12:19.36 | menko | Unknown id: nedit |
| 12:19.43 | Shadowcat | what does the kernel have to do with setting up X |
| 12:19.49 | Shadowcat | !beat |
| 12:19.53 | Shadowcat | !beat menko |
| 12:19.54 | Gnea | menko: are you aware of the man command? |
| 12:20.03 | Shadowcat | menko: you've already been told the situation |
| 12:20.03 | Gnea | Shadowcat: STOP. |
| 12:20.05 | eeman | ya |
| 12:20.18 | Shadowcat | Gnea: he's been told several times |
| 12:20.21 | Shadowcat | first by jm_, then by me |
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| 12:20.31 | Gnea | Shadowcat: and this is the second time i've told you to chill out. |
| 12:20.40 | Shadowcat | I am calm |
| 12:20.58 | Gnea | you will proceed to step away from the keyboard and go beat off or something |
| 12:21.00 | Shadowcat | but menko still doesn't seem to understand what he has to do |
| 12:21.04 | menko | sorry I'm about ready to go to bed I just wanted to get this over with quickly |
| 12:21.10 | Gnea | Shadowcat: the problem is no longer yours |
| 12:21.18 | Gnea | menko: man sux |
| 12:21.31 | Gnea | menko: read it, it will tell you how to use it properly |
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| 12:22.14 | __ThePiratemaste | does anyone know which AMD processors are equipped with pacifica technologie? |
| 12:22.23 | Shadowcat | www.amd.com |
| 12:22.29 | Shadowcat | look for a chart |
| 12:22.31 | menko | From what I understand sux is for people that can't use su to run gui programs as root |
| 12:22.46 | Shadowcat | you can use su to run gui apps as root |
| 12:22.54 | Shadowcat | you just need a proper XAuth file |
| 12:22.55 | Gnea | menko: did you or did you not read the manpage? |
| 12:23.04 | Shadowcat | Gnea: probably not |
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| 12:23.10 | menko | Gnea: I'm reading it right now, I just made that comment |
| 12:23.11 | __ThePiratemaste | i've been on great number of pages in the last two hours and i didnt find any charts |
| 12:23.21 | opqdonut | phah, who needs gui apps :P |
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| 12:23.35 | Gnea | menko: do yourself a favor: stick to topic and keep the bullshit in a separate pile. |
| 12:24.16 | Shadowcat | __ThePiratemaste as I recall virtualization with AMD processors isn't implemented as of yet |
| 12:24.22 | Shadowcat | it's coming with AMD's M2 line |
| 12:24.26 | Shadowcat | whenever that comes out of the box |
| 12:24.29 | kingspwned | __ThePiratemaste, " early next year, it should start showing up in all Athlon64 and Opteron CPUs." |
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| 12:24.42 | kingspwned | all in good time |
| 12:24.55 | Shadowcat | kingspwned: in other words, by this time next year |
| 12:25.10 | opqdonut | Shadowcat: heh, i'll boot a linux floppy |
| 12:25.24 | Shadowcat | opqdonut: I'll force you to use a box without a floppy |
| 12:25.30 | __ThePiratemaste | shadowcat, i just read the first ubits thats ARE implemented are on the shelf |
| 12:25.34 | Shadowcat | opqdonut: and one with a bios lock to force the hd to boot first |
| 12:25.36 | opqdonut | i'll just sit snd stare at it then |
| 12:25.40 | __ThePiratemaste | i've been folowing it forv a while now |
| 12:25.44 | kingspwned | Shadowcat, hm, i see now that the article is dated june 2005, so maybe these things will start coming out just about now |
| 12:26.17 | kingspwned | i don't true anything over a p90 |
| 12:26.21 | kingspwned | s/true/trust |
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| 12:26.54 | __ThePiratemaste | indeed |
| 12:27.33 | menko | I've tried everthing I can with sux and I can't get sudo to work |
| 12:27.56 | Shadowcat | I already told you menko |
| 12:28.04 | Gnea | menko: there's a URL with that, too. |
| 12:28.05 | Shadowcat | you need to generate the proper XAuth for root |
| 12:28.27 | menko | which I'm trying to figure out how to do |
| 12:28.28 | kingspwned | menko: i bet just googling a combination of the things you are told here will help you greatly |
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| 12:28.36 | Gnea | !sux |
| 12:28.36 | dpkg | hmm... sux is su with xauth, to run X apps as root: http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ or sucks, or "I have an exagerrated opinion about something I don't really know much about.", or apt-get install sux, or something that anyone who spells "sucks" as "sux" does. |
| 12:28.40 | Shadowcat | kingspwned: that would require effort |
| 12:28.45 | menko | kingspwned: I tried that yestederday |
| 12:28.50 | kingspwned | true, true |
| 12:29.10 | menko | I can run x apps as root |
| 12:29.14 | Shadowcat | menko: so how come I figured out how to make root run X apps in less than two apps? |
| 12:29.24 | Shadowcat | hours* |
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| 12:29.37 | Shadowcat | you're obviously wanting us to give you the exact syntax |
| 12:29.39 | menko | Shadowcat: root can run x apps, with su |
| 12:29.40 | Gnea | menko: oh, so now you decide to inform us of the REAL problem? |
| 12:29.51 | Shadowcat | menko: root CANNOT run X apps |
| 12:29.56 | Shadowcat | don't you get that |
| 12:30.00 | Shadowcat | su is NOT a login shell |
| 12:30.07 | Gnea | ok |
| 12:30.07 | kingspwned | menko: it took me three seconds to find a nice google answer |
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| 12:30.17 | Shadowcat | this is the second time I've told you that |
| 12:30.27 | Shadowcat | root in debian CANNOT run X apps by default |
| 12:30.34 | menko | ok |
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| 12:30.52 | Shadowcat | "su" transfers your environmental variables into a root shell |
| 12:31.01 | Gnea | su - |
| 12:31.04 | Shadowcat | which means that to the system, YOU are the one running the app |
| 12:31.05 | Shadowcat | NOT root |
| 12:31.17 | Gnea | menko: please, read the webpage. |
| 12:31.26 | Gnea | menko: i know it's located in france, but you'll get over it. |
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| 12:33.12 | blakkino | hello |
| 12:33.12 | blakkino | :) |
| 12:33.16 | blakkino | suppose i'm using debian stable |
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| 12:33.30 | blakkino | then i apt-get an official unstable package (like valgrind) |
| 12:33.40 | Shadowcat | why? |
| 12:33.43 | blakkino | then i reconfigure sources.list to use stable packages |
| 12:33.44 | Gnea | blakkino: no. |
| 12:33.50 | Gnea | !tell blakkino about backports |
| 12:33.54 | blakkino | now.. how can i keep such a system upgraded? |
| 12:33.59 | blakkino | i know backports, but i don't like the idea |
| 12:34.02 | Gnea | blakkino: you need a backport, not an unstable package. |
| 12:34.14 | jm_ | we don't like your idea about using packages from unstable either |
| 12:34.14 | Gnea | blakkino: then you don't need to use debian. |
| 12:34.39 | blakkino | mhmh.. i don't know if i should trust more unofficial packages or unstable ones.. |
| 12:34.42 | blakkino | :) |
| 12:34.47 | blakkino | backports are unofficial, right? |
| 12:35.07 | blakkino | anyway i'm here to solve that problem, if possible.. not to discuss about best policy.. |
| 12:35.12 | Gnea | blakkino: this is an official channel, we wouldn't pimp unofficial crap. |
| 12:35.29 | Shadowcat | yawn |
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| 12:35.40 | Shadowcat | you still haven't told us WHY you need that package |
| 12:35.53 | blakkino | becos valgrind isn't included in stable amd64 |
| 12:35.57 | blakkino | :) |
| 12:36.03 | Gnea | oh |
| 12:36.08 | Gnea | you didn't mention the arch |
| 12:36.10 | Gnea | !amd64 |
| 12:36.10 | dpkg | [amd64] See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 12:36.14 | blakkino | i don't use unstable packages for no reason, i'm not stupid.. |
| 12:36.25 | blakkino | yes i know the amd64 story.. but the problem is general.. |
| 12:36.44 | isilzha | i try to upgrade (no dist-upgrade yet) from sarge to etch. now the problem is that aptitude has an issue with upgrading one single package wich is manpages-de. he was trying to override /usr/share/man/de/man1/md5sum.1.gz and ran into a broken pipe with that. |
| 12:37.05 | isilzha | *overwrite |
| 12:37.12 | blakkino | any idea? |
| 12:37.17 | azeem | blakkino: use backports? |
| 12:37.24 | azeem | or backport yourself |
| 12:37.38 | blakkino | other ideas? :) |
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| 12:37.48 | Gnea | blakkino: why not get the source and compile it? deb-src |
| 12:37.50 | azeem | so, you want to keep running stable, right? |
| 12:38.02 | blakkino | right |
| 12:38.12 | jm_ | isil_zha: did you check BTS? |
| 12:38.18 | azeem | so, you have three or four possibilties: |
| 12:38.24 | azeem | 1. get some packages from testing or unstable |
| 12:38.25 | blakkino | i can tell u that this is often effective in other distros (example.. gentoo) |
| 12:38.27 | azeem | 2. get a backport |
| 12:38.31 | azeem | 3. backport yourself |
| 12:38.40 | azeem | 4. compile source yourself and install in /usr/local |
| 12:38.43 | blakkino | azeem, i have already done the 1. |
| 12:38.49 | Gnea | blakkino: this isn't other distros. |
| 12:38.53 | blakkino | now the question is: how to keep such a mixed system updated? |
| 12:38.56 | azeem | blakkino: what you mean "this"? |
| 12:39.04 | Gnea | blakkino: backports. |
| 12:39.04 | azeem | blakkino: you run stable |
| 12:39.16 | azeem | blakkino: there are no updates besides security stuff |
| 12:39.26 | menko | I've tried my best and I still can't get it working ;( |
| 12:39.42 | blakkino | example.. valgrind depend on an updated libc.. then suppose that this libc (or valgrind itself) has a security bug.. |
| 12:39.45 | Gnea | menko: your 'best'? |
| 12:40.04 | blakkino | now i need to upgrade that libc without upgrading the whole system to unstable |
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| 12:40.10 | Gnea | blakkino: backports. and that's the end of it. or just upgrade. |
| 12:40.19 | azeem | blakkino: this is what backports evaeds |
| 12:40.21 | azeem | evades |
| 12:40.24 | valdyn | blakkino: that example is not a good one for backports |
| 12:40.26 | blakkino | Gnea, i prefer to switch to other distro if there is no solution to that problem |
| 12:40.29 | isilzha | jm_: bts? |
| 12:40.36 | jm_ | isilzha: yes, bts |
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| 12:40.47 | azeem | blakkino: ehm |
| 12:40.49 | Gnea | blakkino: i'm telling you what the solution is. if you must switch over a single package, then do it. |
| 12:40.50 | blakkino | simply becose i can't use stable packages only but at the same time unofficial packages aren't as reliable as other distros |
| 12:40.52 | azeem | blakkino: backports is the solution |
| 12:40.53 | menko | Gnea: I really have no idea what else to try, I tried using sux to generate .Xauthority files for root(which was already there and I decided to delete) but still no go |
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| 12:41.10 | azeem | blakkino: we're talking about http://backports.org here |
| 12:41.20 | Gnea | blakkino: sure, that's why thousands of people use it just fine. |
| 12:41.20 | azeem | this is not "any random unofficial package" |
| 12:41.45 | blakkino | mhmh |
| 12:41.55 | isilzha | jm_: ok got you now. no not yet. i'll do now. thnak you for the hint |
| 12:41.56 | blakkino | so no solution other than backports? |
| 12:42.03 | jm_ | isilzha: no worries |
| 12:42.07 | azeem | blakkino: please read what I wrote above |
| 12:42.20 | tralala | blakkino: didn't you just get 4 (four!) solutions? |
| 12:42.22 | azeem | there are other solution but they are not necessarily better |
| 12:42.25 | valdyn | blakkino: are you looking for some buzzword loaded solution? |
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| 12:42.29 | julmar | How can a user access an ntfs filesystem? I tried in fstab -> /dev/hda1 /media/windows ntfs ro,user,noauto 0 0 . The user can mount but can't access. Root can mount AND access. |
| 12:42.33 | blakkino | <azeem> blakkino: we're talking about http://backports.org here <- i'm not talking about these |
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| 12:42.41 | blakkino | <azeem> blakkino: backports is the solution <- not the solution of my problem |
| 12:42.41 | azeem | blakkino: well, we are |
| 12:42.47 | blakkino | <azeem> blakkino: ehm <- no meaning |
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| 12:42.54 | Gnea | blakkino: for stable, that's right. again, the other solution is to obtain the source package and modify it to use the source from stable, thus generating your own backport. |
| 12:42.55 | azeem | blakkino: 13:31 < azeem> 1. get some packages from testing or unstable |
| 12:42.57 | azeem | 13:31 < azeem> 2. get a backport |
| 12:42.57 | azeem | 13:31 < azeem> 3. backport yourself |
| 12:42.59 | azeem | 13:31 < azeem> 4. compile source yourself and install in /usr/local |
| 12:43.11 | azeem | 2. means backports.org |
| 12:43.15 | kingspwned | julmar, think umask, i would believe |
| 12:43.15 | menko | well am I on the right track at least? I do have to generate a prooper xauthority file for root right? |
| 12:43.27 | jm_ | menko: yes |
| 12:43.31 | blakkino | :) |
| 12:43.41 | julmar | like umask=o222? |
| 12:43.46 | Shadowcat | menko: which is what I told you to do 30 min ago |
| 12:43.49 | menko | jm_: Well I've been trying for the last half hour and failing |
| 12:43.51 | kingspwned | julmar: pretty much like that :) |
| 12:43.55 | Gnea | blakkino: but i'll tell ya, i have an amd64 too and i run unstable and it runs just fine and there are so many more packages available for it. |
| 12:43.59 | blakkino | the proposed "do a backport yourself" isn't an option for me.. becose then i'l have to maintain that upgraded.. and thus isn't viable.. |
| 12:44.09 | menko | Shad0wcat: I already had a .Xautoirty file in root so I wasn't sure.. |
| 12:44.09 | julmar | Thank you! |
| 12:44.13 | jm_ | menko: funny, I told you what to ask dpkg to learn about it, but you're refusing to follow what we tell you here |
| 12:44.20 | kingspwned | julmar: no problem |
| 12:44.24 | Gnea | blakkino: and so thus, debian isn't the distribution for you. have a nice day. |
| 12:44.46 | blakkino | Gnea, i have 2 machines.. one is unstable.. but there are some problems with evolution and abiwords, for example |
| 12:44.53 | menko | jm_: I'm not refusing... I was just confused about login and non login shells |
| 12:45.01 | azeem | blakkino: if you don't like to use the "as official as it gets unofficially" backports.org then yes, Debian stable is not for you |
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| 12:45.07 | blakkino | if i could solve these maybe i can upgrade also the other machine... |
| 12:45.08 | blakkino | :) |
| 12:45.10 | azeem | blakkino: try testing? |
| 12:45.12 | Gnea | blakkino: that is an issue for the amd64 bts then. not #debian's problem. |
| 12:45.15 | jm_ | menko: ok, so read mit-magic-cookie and runstuffasroto factoids |
| 12:45.20 | jm_ | root* |
| 12:45.28 | azeem | blakkino: what is the abiword issue anyway? |
| 12:45.36 | azeem | blakkino: did you apt-get upgrade today? |
| 12:45.42 | blakkino | click the "open file icon" -> abort() |
| 12:45.45 | valdyn | i _Really_ wonder why someone would worry about having to maintain a valgrind backport |
| 12:46.03 | blakkino | evolution issue is.. send an email longer than one line -> freeze (stop responding to events) |
| 12:46.11 | blakkino | maybe i should try testing |
| 12:46.14 | blakkino | ... |
| 12:46.21 | blakkino | but i can't downgrade.. |
| 12:46.23 | Gnea | evolution sucks, by default. |
| 12:46.31 | kingspwned | blakkino, atleast people dont think you're longwinded, with that bug |
| 12:46.34 | jm_ | blakkino: you could try it in a chroot |
| 12:46.53 | tralala | and abyword isn't much better either |
| 12:46.57 | blakkino | Gnea, probably yes.. i just want to test it :) other decent GTK email clients? |
| 12:47.09 | jm_ | sylpheed-claws* |
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| 12:47.15 | azeem | blakkino: did you upgrade evolution today? There was a bug-fix upload yesterday |
| 12:47.40 | blakkino | abiword not perfect.. i use latex sometimes.. but i need to read .doc files.. so? openoffice is bad either.. and doesn't run natively on amd64 |
| 12:47.56 | azeem | blakkino: ah, ok, so general unhappyness |
| 12:47.59 | azeem | that won't be solved in testing |
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| 12:48.02 | Gnea | blakkino: sylpheed, thunderbird |
| 12:48.19 | valdyn | blakkino: why do you even use the amd64 arch when the applications you are run obviously are not of the kind that profits from it? |
| 12:48.21 | blakkino | lets try :sylpheed ) |
| 12:48.22 | Gnea | blakkino: so setup a 32bit environment for it. |
| 12:48.42 | blakkino | (evolution also sucks for its config files.. i hate when there is no clear way to export/import stuff) |
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| 12:49.03 | tralala | openoffice is much better with ms-word documents. It works just fine with amd64 under 32bit chroot. |
| 12:49.07 | menko | ok I tried su user_running_x -c "xauth extract - $DISPLAY" | xauth merge - |
| 12:49.14 | menko | xauth: error in locking authority file /home/debian/.Xauthority |
| 12:49.14 | menko | xauth: (argv):1: unable to read any entries from file "(stdin)" |
| 12:49.19 | tarzeau | damn debian versions can't start with a letter? |
| 12:49.38 | kimrhh | hi... Vanilla kernel on debian stable... what's best, manual install or apt-get something... ? |
| 12:49.52 | menko | I also tried exporting Xauthority but that doesn't seem to work |
| 12:49.55 | tarzeau | kimrhh: huh? |
| 12:49.56 | kimrhh | I need a patch-free kernel |
| 12:50.02 | valdyn | kimrhh: /msg dpkg kernel-package |
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| 12:50.03 | ne0futur | hi all |
| 12:50.13 | jm_ | menko: it's XAUTHORITY not XAuthority |
| 12:50.17 | jm_ | or Xauthority |
| 12:50.18 | ne0futur | is there a command line tool like indent but working with php code ? |
| 12:50.23 | valdyn | kimrhh: why would you need a patch-free kernel though? |
| 12:50.41 | menko | jm_: I copy pasted the command from dpkg |
| 12:50.42 | kimrhh | valdyn: making a project with real-time linux |
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| 12:50.59 | valdyn | kimrhh: rt linux isnt really patch-free ? |
| 12:51.09 | kimrhh | valdyn: would i be able to just copy the debian .config and boot on a vanilla source kernel ? |
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| 12:51.14 | jm_ | menko: no you didn't, those commands set XAUTHORITY |
| 12:51.32 | kimrhh | valdyn: no, but i need a "fresh" kernel to do the RTAI real-time patching |
| 12:51.34 | menko | export XAUTHORITY=$HOME/.Xauthority |
| 12:51.40 | jm_ | yes |
| 12:51.45 | menko | that's what I ran |
| 12:51.51 | jm_ | and? |
| 12:51.53 | valdyn | kimrhh: ok, use kernel-package anyway |
| 12:51.55 | menko | no dice |
| 12:52.11 | jm_ | when did you run that? |
| 12:52.13 | menko | su - and sudo won't run me x apps |
| 12:52.21 | menko | jm_: A few minutes ago |
| 12:52.30 | jm_ | the factoid tells you explicitely to not use "su -" |
| 12:52.35 | kimrhh | valdyn: hmm, doesn't seem to have the dpkg command ?? |
| 12:52.41 | valdyn | menko: dont fuck with xauthority manually, log out, log back in, use sux or sudo |
| 12:52.55 | valdyn | kimrhh: /msg dpkg kernel-package |
| 12:52.59 | cyb0rg | Hello! For a development workstation which mostly consists of CLI tools + X.org + Opera(or Firefox), only server running being OpenSSH and maybe on occasion for very short periods of times (i.e. 1/2h) and destined to be access by very few users (i.e. 1/3).. would this partitioning sceheme fit: (40GB hard drive+reiserfs): |
| 12:53.02 | menko | valdyn: I haven't been able to use sudo, that's why I asked here |
| 12:53.10 | kimrhh | valdyn: in here ? |
| 12:53.15 | valdyn | kimrhh: yes |
| 12:53.23 | kimrhh | valdyn: aaah :) |
| 12:53.30 | valdyn | menko: why havnt you? |
| 12:53.41 | cyb0rg | scheme: / (300MB); /usr (2GB); /var (1.5 GB); /tmp (0.5 GB), SWAP (512MB), /home (rest) |
| 12:53.46 | menko | valdyn: well, I can't use sudo to run xapps |
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| 12:53.58 | valdyn | !smart questions |
| 12:53.58 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with computer experts. |
| 12:53.59 | valdyn | !ask |
| 12:53.59 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 12:54.15 | valdyn | !doesn't work |
| 12:54.15 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 12:54.20 | valdyn | oh the spam, sorry |
| 12:54.23 | menko | valdyn: I've been through that about an hour ago |
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| 12:54.34 | valdyn | menko: i dont believe you |
| 12:54.38 | menko | I'm just really tired and frustrated right now |
| 12:54.44 | kingspwned | menko: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Security/root-with-x11.html |
| 12:54.45 | jm_ | :) |
| 12:54.50 | kingspwned | read it, at least |
| 12:54.54 | kingspwned | or pretend you did, and come back later |
| 12:54.55 | cyb0rg | now my question has probably scrolled out of everybody's screen .. heh .. great |
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| 12:55.22 | valdyn | cyb0rg: you dont need no fancy partitioning scheme at all |
| 12:55.33 | menko | kingspwned: believe it or not I'm not that kind of person |
| 12:55.47 | kingspwned | cyb0rg, what valdyn said. or: i think it looks ok. |
| 12:56.02 | lac | !x.org |
| 12:56.03 | dpkg | xorg is, like, X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.0. ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg |
| 12:56.03 | cyb0rg | well .. I understand apt uses /var .. is 1.5 GB an OK size ? |
| 12:56.09 | valdyn | tmp being only 0.5 G would annoy the hell out of me at times |
| 12:56.10 | wireman | hi, i'm trying to make tar multivolume backup . I can't retrieve files between two tapes because tar says that backup"..is not continued on this volume". |
| 12:56.14 | kimrhh | valdyn: I need a new 2.6 kernel, should I add some lines to sources.list to get access to all packages ? |
| 12:56.21 | wireman | May somebody help me? |
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| 12:56.34 | cyb0rg | valdyn: can you recommend a different size then ? |
| 12:56.36 | Gnea | menko: then get some sleep and try again later, you'll only keep digging a hole |
| 12:56.46 | valdyn | kimrhh: that's not going to help you with getting a vanilla kernel |
| 12:56.54 | kimrhh | valdyn: ok |
| 12:57.02 | lac | !differences between xorg and xfree864 |
| 12:57.22 | kimrhh | valdyn: the newest debian-2.6 then... |
| 12:57.35 | valdyn | kimrhh: for debian/stable ? |
| 12:57.38 | tralala | lac: at this moment they are almost the same |
| 12:57.41 | menko | ok, some progress, I managed to get su - to run x apps |
| 12:58.11 | kimrhh | valdyn: well, doesn't have to continue in stable, that's just what I installed |
| 12:58.23 | kimrhh | it's for kernel dev, so it will break anyway |
| 12:58.24 | valdyn | kimrhh: http://www.backports.org |
| 12:58.38 | tralala | menko: the user: xhost +local:root, the root: DISPLAY=:0 xapp |
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| 12:59.28 | lorenz | !usb-storage |
| 12:59.28 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. |
| 12:59.28 | valdyn | kimrhh: if you want to do kernel development then you are probably better served by using git |
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| 12:59.55 | kimrhh | valdyn: not kernel dev for anything public :) |
| 13:00.04 | kimrhh | valdyn: just a university project |
| 13:00.07 | valdyn | kimrhh: doesnt matter if public |
| 13:00.27 | menko | *sigh* I better go to bed, getting this to work outside of su - and with sudo instead will probably be another 1 hour mission |
| 13:00.30 | menko | good night |
| 13:00.33 | kimrhh | valdyn: ok, i'll look in to that then |
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| 13:01.18 | lorenz | what i have to do in order to load usb-strage and sd-mod modules? |
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| 13:01.37 | jm_ | LoRez: man modprobe modules |
| 13:01.54 | jm_ | lorenz ^^^^^^^^ |
| 13:01.55 | azeem | lorenz: ^^ |
| 13:02.00 | jm_ | lorez: sorry |
| 13:02.05 | lorenz | :D |
| 13:03.23 | lac | !xorg |
| 13:03.23 | dpkg | xorg is, like, X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.0. ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg |
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| 13:03.32 | lac | !xfree86 |
| 13:03.32 | dpkg | [xfree86] proof that world has gone mad, or a free open-source implementation of X11. http://www.xfree86.org/ or ask me about "install xf4" or "x.org", or something that moves so slowly, it doesn't feel like it's moved in years |
| 13:03.54 | lorenz | !/proc/partitions |
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| 13:04.42 | lorenz | !modprobe |
| 13:04.42 | dpkg | well, modprobe is something you use to install modules with it |
| 13:04.44 | deeptz | guys i start with my sarge installation on my aci laptop and the screen goes bizzzarre |
| 13:05.23 | deeptz | however before thsi i have installed debian on this laptop however thsi tiime its not working |
| 13:06.07 | kimrhh | valdyn: are 2.6.8 the newest kernel, even with backport ? |
| 13:06.15 | valdyn | kimrhh: no |
| 13:06.23 | kimrhh | valdyn: strange |
| 13:06.48 | kimrhh | apt-cache search kernel-source gives me 2.6.8 only |
| 13:07.42 | lorenz | but i must to do something before modprobe? |
| 13:07.55 | tralala | kimrhh: the new kernels are called linux-something instead of kernel-something |
| 13:07.57 | kimrhh | valdyn: guess i just don't know how to use debian :) |
| 13:08.03 | kimrhh | tralala: ah ok |
| 13:09.03 | kimrhh | tralala: what's the difference between tree and source ? |
| 13:09.15 | kimrhh | linux-source and linux-tree even |
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| 13:09.29 | lorenz | help |
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| 13:09.43 | tralala | kimrhh: aptitude show pkg should tell you |
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| 13:09.46 | lorenz | apt is blocked |
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| 13:10.27 | azeem | lorenz: close aptitude if you have it running in the background |
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| 13:10.29 | azeem | or synaptic |
| 13:10.40 | lorenz | each package i want install/remove it says me E: Dipendenze non soddisfatte. Provare 'apt-get -f install' senza pacchetti (o specificare una soluzione). |
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| 13:10.54 | azeem | did you run apt-get -f install? |
| 13:11.02 | lorenz | azeem, yes |
| 13:11.06 | azeem | and? |
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| 13:11.24 | lorenz | this again |
| 13:11.28 | azeem | ß |
| 13:11.36 | azeem | just run apt-get -f install |
| 13:11.43 | azeem | add no packages to that line |
| 13:11.49 | fluxdude | does anybody know if it's possible to provide a hashed password to smbmount? |
| 13:12.05 | lorenz | i wanted install hotplug but he begun to remove gnome, the kernel etc |
| 13:12.15 | opqdonut | fluxdude: stole the pwdb? ;) |
| 13:12.24 | azeem | lorenz: why do you want to install hotplug? |
| 13:12.29 | lac | anybody know a way to restart an x keymap without restarting the server? |
| 13:12.36 | azeem | lorenz: are you running sargeß |
| 13:12.37 | azeem | ? |
| 13:12.43 | lorenz | for the usb-storage |
| 13:12.53 | edwin__ | doesn't udev take care of that too? |
| 13:12.59 | lorenz | azeem, i am in etch |
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| 13:13.10 | azeem | lorenz: I think hotplug is obsolete in etch |
| 13:13.33 | lorenz | azeem, now i must solve |
| 13:13.45 | azeem | I don't understand |
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| 13:13.54 | fluxdude | opqdonut huh? I don't want anyone to be able to read the password plaintext... |
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| 13:13.59 | lorenz | azeem, apt is blocked |
| 13:14.08 | azeem | lorenz: yes, I told you to run apt-get -f install |
| 13:14.19 | lorenz | azeem, already done |
| 13:14.26 | azeem | so it is still blocked? |
| 13:14.30 | azeem | did it remove/add stuff? |
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| 13:14.34 | lorenz | azeem, yes |
| 13:14.44 | opqdonut | fluxdude: joking. anyways, if you gave it as a hash, somebody could steal the hash, no? |
| 13:14.49 | edwin__ | lorenz: apt-get install udev |
| 13:14.54 | lorenz | azeem, i can do nothing with apt |
| 13:14.57 | opqdonut | fluxdude: iirc you can have mount read the passwd from a file |
| 13:15.04 | azeem | lorenz: paste the output of "LANG=C apt-get upgrade" to a pastebin |
| 13:15.05 | azeem | !paster |
| 13:15.05 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 13:15.30 | fluxdude | opqdonut: yeah I know but it's still plaintext... |
| 13:15.39 | opqdonut | life |
| 13:15.45 | lac | !udev |
| 13:15.45 | dpkg | rumour has it, udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of DevFS, or a package which breaks particularly often in unstable, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.12 in testing and unstable |
| 13:15.54 | fluxdude | opqdonut: at least they couldn't read it straight off... |
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| 13:16.20 | opqdonut | you can also type it in by hand if you are so worried about security |
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| 13:16.47 | infernix | what's a recommended application to watch TV with (PCI tv tuner card)? |
| 13:16.57 | Daedalus_ | mythtv |
| 13:17.00 | lorenz | azeem, http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/Nolau337.html |
| 13:17.25 | azeem | lorenz: did you try apt-get install initramfs-tools ? |
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| 13:18.08 | lac | I have just done a dist-upgrade from stable to testing |
| 13:18.13 | fluxdude | opqdonut: no I need it automounted via fstab on servers... |
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| 13:18.40 | opqdonut | put it in a file, and make the file only readable to root... |
| 13:18.43 | lac | But I cannot upgrade udev bevause my kernel is before 2.6.12 |
| 13:18.59 | jm_ | lac: install a newer kernel then |
| 13:19.02 | lac | I know all about this. I made this kernel myself. It was the only way I |
| 13:19.18 | fluxdude | that's my fall back solution but still not great, part of a security policy we're trying to live up to is to have no plaintext passwords anywhere... |
| 13:19.21 | feil | hello every one, how can i install the i915GM driver? |
| 13:19.25 | lac | could get my ibm thinkpad wireless network to work. |
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| 13:19.48 | lorenz | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:19.48 | lorenz | E: Dipendenze non soddisfatte. Provare 'apt-get -f install' senza pacchetti (o specificare una soluzione). |
| 13:19.48 | lorenz | lorenz:/home/lorenz# |
| 13:19.51 | zamolxes | uh .. Data::Alias (perl module) isn't packaged in debian? |
| 13:20.02 | azeem | lorenz: then add udev to that |
| 13:20.08 | lac | have things improved with ipw2200? |
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| 13:20.28 | lac | if not, can I live without udev? |
| 13:20.29 | jm_ | fluxdude: why don't you simply pass it via environent then? |
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| 13:20.44 | inc|freakyy | hi all. how do i install a java jdk? |
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| 13:20.56 | lorenz | azeem, i'm in loop of dipendencies |
| 13:21.14 | Fox | inc|freakyy: apt-get install jamvm |
| 13:21.41 | BadMan | morning all.. 2 things first I am not an ubuntu person... but it installed and ran when I couldnt get a woody isntall on an old 760XL to work(failed during base install constantly, cdrom probs I suspect)... |
| 13:21.45 | feil | anyone know how to install the i915GM driver? |
| 13:21.49 | infernix | geez.. mythtv requires mysql. isnt there something easier to watch TV with? |
| 13:21.50 | edwin__ | lorenz: try using aptitude to solve the dependencies |
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| 13:22.12 | inc|freakyy | Fox: thx |
| 13:22.22 | fluxdude | jm_: what do you mean pass it by environment? as in env variable? would still have to be plaintext wouldn't it? |
| 13:22.26 | lorenz | azeem, done, i'm done apt-get -f install udev initramfs-tools |
| 13:22.37 | BadMan | What i need help with is building or locating a good boot diskette(wont botot ffrom cdrom) to start up my install and give proper drivers, to get ubuntu installed I used smartboot from sourceforge.. |
| 13:22.40 | jm_ | fluxdude: yes, it's plain text |
| 13:23.04 | lorenz | but someone can help me to usb-storage? i can.t find any guide |
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| 13:23.57 | Vini | Hello everyone |
| 13:24.21 | fluxdude | jm_: so it's still not a solution, I just don't want to have a plaintext password... |
| 13:24.33 | k31th | Hi i have a raided debian server here using kernel raid, when i boot it states dm0 dm1 using 1 of 2 disks |
| 13:24.41 | k31th | however i can boot fin off either disk |
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| 13:25.12 | k31th | (tested by removing 1 disk and booting etc), is there a way i can redo the array or resync the disks ? |
| 13:25.31 | azeem | lorenz: echo "usb-storage" >> /etc/modules |
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| 13:25.45 | azeem | lorenz: does apt-get now work again? |
| 13:26.09 | lorenz | azeem, apt-get now works |
| 13:26.17 | jan | I did an apt-get upgrade on my debian unstable amd64 today, and after that upgrade EVERY gtk app segfaults at startup, giving me errors related to pango, anyone know what's up ? |
| 13:26.23 | inc|freakyy | Fox: that didnt work |
| 13:26.25 | isilzha | the bts claims that the bug i experience right now is fixed: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=345569 what should i do now? report it again? |
| 13:26.38 | mortal__ | does the x.org in debian unstable support r300 dri? |
| 13:26.45 | jm_ | isilzha: it's fixed in newer version of the package, do you have it? |
| 13:26.49 | azeem | mortal__: I doubt it |
| 13:26.56 | mortal__ | azeem: will it? |
| 13:27.15 | azeem | I guess |
| 13:27.19 | azeem | does 7.0 support it? |
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| 13:27.23 | tralala | jan: know you know from experience why you shouldn't use sid |
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| 13:27.41 | isilzha | jm_: you mean i should go back to stable with the sources.list and update it first? |
| 13:27.43 | carbon60 | I think I'm unclear on how pinning works… |
| 13:27.53 | jm_ | isilzha: no, is it installing the fixed version of the package? |
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| 13:28.34 | carbon60 | Why would a newer version of a package install when the older version has a higher value? |
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| 13:28.46 | tralala | now* |
| 13:28.49 | YogSothoth | I'm trying to compile last Vim sources on Debian Sarge. make fails: http://pastebin.com/617920 It says in src/os_unix.c that if I get an error with that term_set_winsize() undefined it could be that configure did not find a ncurses, termcap or termlib library. Which is the case as you can see in the configure part of my output. So, what package should I install so I can compile Vim? |
| 13:28.51 | lorenz | azeem, i can't create the "virtual" disc that i call to mount usb-key |
| 13:29.00 | isilzha | jm_: what i try is actually an "aptitude upgrade". this way it should install the updated version or not? i'm pretty new to this sorry |
| 13:29.05 | jan | tralala: I've been using Sid daily for the past five years now |
| 13:29.06 | azeem | lorenz: no idea about that |
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| 13:29.13 | BadMan | what fstype would Iuse for a floppy, so I can see what is on this boot diskette? All of my installs have been done by comps that were bootable from cdrom media... |
| 13:29.29 | jm_ | YogSothoth: libncurses5-dev |
| 13:29.40 | lorenz | !usb-storage |
| 13:29.40 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. |
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| 13:29.53 | Vini | What version i must download for amd 64 bits processor?? |
| 13:29.55 | jm_ | isilzha: it tells you the version it's downloading and the version it's installing - is it the fixed one? |
| 13:30.29 | tralala | jan: is this helping you now? I didn't think so. |
| 13:30.31 | Vini | What version of debian i must download for amd 64 bits processor?? |
| 13:30.50 | azeem | Vini: amd64 |
| 13:30.55 | azeem | !amd64 |
| 13:30.55 | dpkg | amd64 is probably See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 13:30.56 | tralala | Vini: there is an unofficial debian-amd64 sarge |
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| 13:31.00 | isilzha | jm_: no it is still 0.4-9 where the updated is supposed to be 0.4-10 |
| 13:31.05 | jm_ | Vini: the fact that you're asking, go with x86 |
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| 13:31.11 | jm_ | isilzha: right, hold on |
| 13:31.12 | Vini | ohhh |
| 13:31.13 | Vini | ok |
| 13:31.20 | jan | tralala: so your advice is no one should use something that has the posibility to break once and a while? |
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| 13:31.35 | jm_ | isilzha: right, unstable has fixed one, Etch has the old one |
| 13:31.41 | _vds_ | after an upgrade my sid has some problem |
| 13:31.55 | tralala | jan: not for anything important anyhow |
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| 13:32.04 | Vini | i've tried to download the ia64, but doesn't work.... lol |
| 13:32.11 | jan | tralala: unless you actually have something useful to say, it's better to not bother |
| 13:32.14 | isilzha | jm_: does that mean i would be fine ignoring this and to do a dist-upgrade? |
| 13:32.25 | _vds_ | fuse-utils doesn't get configured properly and I'm not able to remove it |
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| 13:32.39 | jm_ | isilzha: no, you'd get stuck on it eventually - if you can, remove it now and deal with it later |
| 13:33.07 | tralala | jan: Don't use unstable and/or testing. Use stable. This is useful. |
| 13:33.13 | YogSothoth | jm_: yes I apt-get installed libncurses5-dev and nothing new |
| 13:33.27 | jm_ | YogSothoth: run make distclean and configure again |
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| 13:33.56 | Vini | bye everyon |
| 13:34.06 | jan | tralala: yes you can also use Debian Woody, which is even safer! or let's all go back to DOS 4.0! very safe! |
| 13:34.06 | Vini | and thank's for help |
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| 13:34.14 | jan | djeez |
| 13:34.20 | sep | potato !! |
| 13:34.25 | jan | slinky!!!!! |
| 13:34.33 | cuco | i am looking for small text editors. i know vi, emacs, mcedit and nano, and i am looking for another alternative |
| 13:34.36 | jm_ | bo, I have CD-s if anyone needs them |
| 13:35.25 | lac | cuco: ed is real small |
| 13:35.26 | wombachi | I cant use my USB key with 2.6.15/16 (unstable) : in the logs, I see "sda: [CUMANA/ADFS]". Perhaps a solution is to disable CONFIG_ACORN_PARTITION_CUMANA. Should I file a bug ? |
| 13:35.35 | tralala | jan: you can use anything you want (MS Windows including) but if you really need the job done, just go with stable. |
| 13:35.37 | wombachi | see http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0501.2/0543.html |
| 13:35.53 | jm_ | wombachi: well how about if you do not load support for that? |
| 13:35.56 | livingtm | My laptop is running ACPI, and the gnome battery monitor cannot seem to find my battery. I can cat cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT1/info, but apparently the battery monitor is looking for BAT0. anyone know how to fix this? |
| 13:35.57 | cuco | lac, :) |
| 13:36.10 | tralala | This is the purpose of stable after all. |
| 13:36.31 | wombachi | jm_ it's defaut kernel image from debian (CONFIG_ACORN_PARTITION_CUMANA=y) |
| 13:36.48 | jm_ | wombachi: ahh crap |
| 13:36.57 | jm_ | wombachi: I was hoping it'd be a module |
| 13:37.04 | wombachi | me too :-( |
| 13:37.13 | jm_ | wombachi: check BTS if someone already reported it |
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| 13:37.47 | jm_ | wombachi: it looks like one can't compile it as module |
| 13:37.53 | isilzha | that's funny. aptitude rendered a big ammount of the gnome applications as unused and thus object for removal. i agreed (i wondered if he really was uninstalling most of gnome and he did). now doing a dist-upgrade to etch aptitude installs those packages again... is this worth being files as a bug report? as this affected pretty a large scale of packages i don't really know how to check if this was already reported in the first place |
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| 13:38.13 | isilzha | *filed |
| 13:38.23 | YogSothoth | jm_: I think it worked with the distclean. But now it's bugging me at make install: http://pastebin.com/617936 |
| 13:38.37 | jm_ | YogSothoth: why are you not using Debian packages? |
| 13:38.54 | jm_ | YogSothoth: it told you what is wrong |
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| 13:39.14 | wombachi | jm_ It's compiled in in linux-image-2.6.{15,16}-1-686. Is it intentional and mandatory ? I'm not the only one that can't use some USB keys because of this |
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| 13:40.02 | jm_ | wombachi: you should talk to people that maintain the kernel, but these are not easy decisions to make - they might disable it, but then someone who needs the feature will report it as a bug, it would better be solved in kernel as that LKML post suggests |
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| 13:41.06 | zimnyx | locale returns: locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory |
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| 13:41.25 | lorenz | HELP! someone can help me with usb-storage configuration? |
| 13:41.35 | zimnyx | i run dpkg-reconfigure locales but it doesn;t help |
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| 13:41.45 | wombachi | should I use the bts (which package name?) or subscribe to a debian-kernel list ? |
| 13:41.49 | jm_ | zimnyx: don't forget to check the BTS |
| 13:41.50 | BadMan | hmm wonder if I have a bugged woody disc 1 of 7 dis set... |
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| 13:41.54 | YogSothoth | jm_: because I need to configure it with --enable-rubyinterp, beacause I want to use the SnippetMagic plugin, following instructions from here: http://tinyurl.com/pxm4h |
| 13:42.06 | jm_ | YogSothoth: Debian has vim with ruby support |
| 13:42.31 | YogSothoth | jm_: already built-in or should I install a new package? |
| 13:42.41 | jm_ | YogSothoth: vim-ruby - Vi IMproved, with ruby scripting support |
| 13:42.51 | wombachi | I'll recompile to check if I really found the culprit. But it could help others if the problem is solved "out of the box" |
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| 13:43.16 | YogSothoth | jm_: argh didn't saw that :-) Thank you!! |
| 13:43.48 | riot | how do i setup a larger queue-length in exim4-light? it just stops procmail-delivery after 17 (or so) mails.. |
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| 13:44.23 | codenamewilley | hello everybody |
| 13:44.35 | codenamewilley | i am trying to start a web server |
| 13:44.54 | codenamewilley | i did configuration of /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
| 13:45.28 | codenamewilley | #apachectl configtest says syntax ok |
| 13:45.37 | lorenz | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/DU4GID98.html -> this is the dmesg, someone can say me what to do now? |
| 13:45.38 | jm_ | YogSothoth: you don't even need snippet thing to do this in vim |
| 13:45.51 | sanxiyn | codenamewilley: And? |
| 13:46.03 | codenamewilley | however apachectl start gives error |
| 13:46.12 | codenamewilley | says http could not be started |
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| 13:46.33 | sanxiyn | codenamewilley: Check /var/log/apache/* |
| 13:46.57 | Zugschlus | riot: 17 is a surprise. 10 would be expected |
| 13:47.02 | wombachi | codenamewilley you must be root to launch Apache (priviledge port 80) |
| 13:47.12 | codenamewilley | sanxiyn: ok, let me c |
| 13:47.21 | YogSothoth | jm_: I don't find vim-ruby! http://pastebin.com/617952 |
| 13:47.28 | codenamewilley | wombachi: i am logged in as root |
| 13:47.43 | lorenz | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/DU4GID98.html -> this is the dmesg, someone can say me what to do now? |
| 13:47.45 | riot | Zugschlus: yeah, i find that number pretty confusing too |
| 13:47.51 | jm_ | YogSothoth: you're using Ubuntu, not Debian |
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| 13:47.53 | wombachi | then check /var/log/apache/{access,error}.log then |
| 13:47.59 | sanxiyn | YogSothoth: Ubuntu != Debian. |
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| 13:48.10 | riot | Zugschlus: So, got some statement or config-file that i could check? |
| 13:48.13 | sanxiyn | !info vim-ruby |
| 13:48.20 | dpkg | vim-ruby: (Vi IMproved - enhanced vi editor - with Ruby support), section editors, is extra. Version: 1:6.4-007+1 (sid), Packaged size: 727 kB, Installed size: 1468 kB |
| 13:48.22 | YogSothoth | jm_: but the author of the snippet thing converted all original TextMate snippets and that's what I'd like to use... |
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| 13:48.39 | lorenz | !sd_mod |
| 13:48.53 | sanxiyn | YogSothoth: I felt Ubuntu is pro-Python, and Debian is rather language neutral. |
| 13:48.55 | jm_ | YogSothoth: ok, ask in #ubuntu |
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| 13:49.21 | infernix | is there a way to symlink to a file with options? eg could i (example) make a symlink called lsall to 'ls -al' (yes, alias is easier, not the poitn) |
| 13:49.25 | YogSothoth | jm_, sanxiyn: damn! I didn't even notice! I though I was working remotly on my Debian server |
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| 13:50.04 | tralala | infernix: only for the programmes that support this |
| 13:50.45 | wombachi | infernix why not simply use : alias lsall='ls -al' ? |
| 13:50.46 | riot | geez. i _hate_ email. xmpp is much nicer. |
| 13:50.48 | tralala | some programmes check the name they are called with and assume certain parameters depending on it. I don't think ls is one of them though. |
| 13:50.48 | sanxiyn | infernix: No, there isn't. |
| 13:51.00 | pipeline | sanxiyn: That's because Ubuntu is run by python zealots and Debian is not :P |
| 13:51.05 | codenamewilley | sanxiyn:it says "could not open error log file /etc/apache/logs/station1.example.com-error.log" fopen: no such file or directory |
| 13:51.21 | pipeline | infernix: Frighteningly enough, yes, you can do that. |
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| 13:51.29 | pmitros | I am running Debian/stable. Rather ironically, for the first time, I cannot open a presentation, since I received it in OpenDocument format, rather than in PowerPoint format, and stable comes with OO.org 1.x, which doesn't appear to support ODF. Is there a backport of OO.org 2.x to Stable? I couldn't find one on backports.org. |
| 13:51.38 | sanxiyn | pipeline: Maybe. |
| 13:51.40 | pipeline | infernix: Fortunately, most modern shells are smart enough to tab-complete that to ./"ls -al" rather than the expected ls -al |
| 13:51.47 | pipeline | sanxiyn: No "maybe" about it :P |
| 13:51.49 | sanxiyn | codenamewilley: If directory doesn't exist, create one. |
| 13:51.59 | sanxiyn | pipeline: I am a Python zealot myself. |
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| 13:52.04 | pipeline | sanxiyn: Canonical is paying people to add python hooks to all kinds of things. |
| 13:52.14 | pipeline | sanxiyn: Oh, you poor, sick fellow. I hope you weather it out. |
| 13:52.20 | BadMan | can I use the etch installer to do a netinst of woody for this old laptop.. others that have installed a debian flavor(one is woody had to use xfree 3.3.6 because of the nasty trident video card) |
| 13:52.28 | sanxiyn | pipeline: I administer the forum of Korean Python user group. |
| 13:52.36 | sanxiyn | (And one of the founder of it.) |
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| 13:52.41 | pmitros | sanxiyn: Python is an excellend beginner language. The implementation is still rather amateurish. |
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| 13:52.44 | pipeline | sanxiyn: For all their sakes, then, I hope you survive the illness :P |
| 13:52.55 | chealer | BadMan: hah...no |
| 13:53.00 | codenamewilley | sanxiyn: thank you |
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| 13:53.09 | codenamewilley | sanxiyn: it worked |
| 13:53.09 | wombachi | codenamewilley create dir with correct file perms. But you should put your log files somewhere under /var/log/ |
| 13:53.22 | IceTox | Do you know about any good graphical ftp program for debian? :-) |
| 13:53.24 | sanxiyn | pmitros: It's getting better. For example, 2.5 finally got arena-freeing slab allocator... |
| 13:53.27 | BadMan | dang... |
| 13:53.39 | \\Neo | Hi. I currently got my WLAN Card to work with WPA and stuff. Im coming from Fedora Core, where do I set wlan0 as the default interface on startup and deactivate eth0 in debian? |
| 13:53.40 | codenamewilley | wombachi: thank you, i got it working... :-) |
| 13:53.41 | tralala | IceTox: gftp |
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| 13:53.47 | IceTox | thanks tralala |
| 13:53.49 | chealer | pmitros: yes. see backports.org |
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| 13:54.12 | sanxiyn | codenamewilley: Read the log, it's your friend :-) |
| 13:54.15 | jm_ | \\Neo: eth0 is in interfaces file |
| 13:54.16 | BadMan | which netinstalelr would I need to be able to install woody from the net, or 7 disc set? |
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| 13:54.34 | \\Neo | jm_, where is that located? |
| 13:54.38 | tralala | \\Neo: man interfaces |
| 13:54.40 | jm_ | \\Neo: man interfaces |
| 13:54.45 | codenamewilley | sanxiyn: yes, i guess i've learnt my lesson |
| 13:54.47 | \\Neo | okie i look thx |
| 13:54.50 | pmitros | sanxiyn: It is improving quite a bit. IIt's still no where close to being there. |
| 13:54.57 | nkuttler | BadMan: um, the woody netinst image? |
| 13:55.14 | sanxiyn | pmitros: How do you define "there"? Python is being used to run real applications and services. |
| 13:55.17 | sanxiyn | Well, PHP is, too. |
| 13:55.17 | BadMan | nkuttler: 8( I cant find it on the netinst pages... only references to sarge and etch |
| 13:55.21 | \\Neo | i like fedoras system-config-* apps more than this here... but debian is much more performant |
| 13:55.31 | pmitros | chealer: Oh crap. I misread it. You're right. |
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| 13:55.37 | lorenz | I'm on debian etch. i wish setup usb-storage . i've added usb_storage and sd_mod modules but i don1t know how to continue. i don't know device name.http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/DU4GID98.html -> this is the dmesg, someone can say me what to do now? |
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| 13:56.17 | pmitros | sanxiyn: I define "there" as not having thousands of little bugs, where, e.g. in the floating point printer/reader, you type 0.6, and it spits back 0.5999..98 at you. |
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| 13:56.27 | sanxiyn | pmitros: It's not a bug. |
| 13:56.30 | azeem | lorenz: it seems no usb-storage device was detected, did you plug it in? |
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| 13:56.42 | sanxiyn | pmitros: That's how floating point works, and it's in Python FAQ. |
| 13:57.05 | sanxiyn | pmitros: Anyway, off topic for #debian. |
| 13:57.17 | \\Neo | what would i add in "interfaces" when the driver is ndiswrapper |
| 13:57.20 | pipeline | sanxiyn: It's a "frequently asked question" because behaviour like that pisses people off. |
| 13:57.20 | \\Neo | still hotplug? |
| 13:57.31 | sanxiyn | pipeline: Your point? |
| 13:57.39 | lorenz | azeem, when i must insert it? |
| 13:57.40 | pipeline | \\Neo: You don't have to specify the driver in interfaces. |
| 13:57.42 | sanxiyn | pipeline: Are you a ruby sucker who complains about "quit" not quit the Python? |
| 13:57.43 | wombachi | lorenz what do you want to do ? |
| 13:57.46 | pmitros | sanxiyn: It is a bug, based on misunderstanding of how floating point works. There is well-known theory on how to implement a floating point printing/reading algorithm where the input and output always match. And other languages implement that, whereas the python guys didn't know about it. And there's a bazillion other little bugs like that in Python as well. But it is off-topic. |
| 13:57.49 | pipeline | sanxiyn: What happened to the principle of least surprise? |
| 13:57.50 | azeem | lorenz: before you run dmesg |
| 13:57.59 | azeem | if you want to have something about in the output |
| 13:58.00 | \\Neo | pipeline, so hotplug is just fine there? |
| 13:58.01 | pipeline | sanxiyn: And, actually, yes, I do complain about that stupid message returned by quit. |
| 13:58.08 | sanxiyn | pipeline: Go away. |
| 13:58.19 | pipeline | sanxiyn: I'm not a huge fan of Ruby, but shit, at least it has working gc :P |
| 13:58.29 | sanxiyn | pmitros: If you care about stupid floating point formatting issue, use nicefloat. |
| 13:58.43 | sanxiyn | pmitros: Python devs knew that for years. |
| 13:58.48 | sanxiyn | pmitros: It's not there for a reason. |
| 13:59.13 | riot | how do i set exim4's maximum email-queue-length |
| 13:59.13 | sanxiyn | pipeline: Python has a working GC. Go away. |
| 13:59.20 | pmitros | sanxiyn: Go on? I've read the FAQ. It doesn't give a reason for the buggy implementation; just an explanation. |
| 13:59.23 | sanxiyn | pipeline: It had for... what, 5 years. |
| 13:59.23 | pipeline | sanxiyn: Hahahahahhahahhahahah |
| 13:59.50 | sanxiyn | pipeline: Doesn't do Ruby stop-and-copy? That's stupid. |
| 13:59.51 | azeem | pipeline, sanxiyn: please take this #elsewhere |
| 14:00.00 | sanxiyn | pipeline: I will /msg you. |
| 14:00.21 | Zugschlus | riot: the queue length is only limited by available disk space |
| 14:00.23 | pmitros | sanxiyn: See, the GC that pipeline pointed out is an example of one of the amateurish things that was eventually kinda-fixed. The guys didn't know what they were doing, and eventually fixed it. There's a lot of things they didn't fix yet, though. |
| 14:00.35 | azeem | pmitros: you too |
| 14:00.38 | lorenz | azeem, o_O the usb was recognized when i have inserted the usb-key! thanks |
| 14:00.42 | sanxiyn | pmitros: Wrong. |
| 14:01.06 | pmitros | azeem: Sure. Just wanted to hit enter on the currently-typed-message. Everything else will be in /msg. |
| 14:01.07 | riot | Zugschlus: nah, can't be. got plenty of free disk |
| 14:01.19 | azeem | thanks y'all |
| 14:01.34 | riot | Zugschlus: i know, its adjustable, but i can't remember where and am looking every, but can't find it |
| 14:02.13 | Zugschlus | riot: read my lips. exim4 queue length is only limited by available disk space. |
| 14:02.48 | Zugschlus | riot: before calling me a liar again, compare exim4's uploaders field with my /whois |
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| 14:03.54 | amdvk_office | http://stabo.ru |
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| 14:04.37 | Tenkawa | which channel focuses in on the amd64 port of debian? |
| 14:04.40 | dimir | Spam! |
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| 14:04.58 | dimir | Spammer! |
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| 14:05.43 | infernix | #debian-amd64 |
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| 14:05.53 | dimir | omg, the "small" banstat list. |
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| 14:06.02 | Tenkawa | infernix: thanks |
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| 14:06.34 | tarzeau | #gnu-kbsd also has amd64 |
| 14:07.29 | azeem | but not for stable |
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| 14:08.06 | riot | Zugschlus: ok, you're right. Then the email in spool must be > 1400 MB. Maybe you mean something different? Because i don't know how to call it correctly. Exim processes just a small part of incoming mail at once here, then sits around a while and does another bunch.. and so on.. |
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| 14:09.07 | Zugschlus | riot: fetchmail? |
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| 14:09.41 | riot | Zugschlus: yep. |
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| 14:09.57 | Zugschlus | riot: have fetchmail execute exim -q after fetching |
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| 14:14.27 | abrotman | !tell _zippy_ about root |
| 14:14.27 | pmallapp | language, pmallapp |
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| 14:14.28 | Skrot | How do I add a new lib dir so apps can read it (e.g a lib is not found, but I know where it is, and I don't want to move it to /usr/lib)? |
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| 14:14.30 | riot | Zugschlus: exim logs "no immediate delivery: more than 10 mails received in one connection" - how can i change that limit? (exim -q did nothing) |
| 14:14.34 | pipeline | Skrot: /etc/ld.so.conf |
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| 14:14.59 | Skrot | pipeline: Isn't there a env I can set? |
| 14:15.12 | AM|R | how to install xwindows with kde? |
| 14:15.20 | Hessophanes | Skrot: LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 14:15.25 | fedya_ | is anyone familiar with coldfusion support for apache2? |
| 14:15.26 | Zugschlus | exim -q should deliver all messages from the queue. if it did nothing, your exim is severely broken |
| 14:16.00 | Zugschlus | one possible fix is increasing smtp_accept_queue_per_connection (which has a default of ten), but that might cause nasty load spikes. So the exim -q approach is definetely better |
| 14:16.18 | zimnyx | i have no '/usr/bin/locale'. i've installes libc6, but it only created '/usr/bin/locales.libc'. How can i fix it? Manually create symlink? |
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| 14:17.14 | wombachi | fedya_ isnt coldfusion a proprietary windows-only development framework like php ? |
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| 14:17.34 | pipeline | wombachi: Coldfusion uses java. It's not windows-only, but it's very expensive and very awful. |
| 14:17.38 | WOlftang | hi |
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| 14:17.44 | Zugschlus | riot: http://wiki.debian.org/PkgExim4UserFAQ#head-bf42ef41ae163a7ba6d076540c7bb428a70ca04e could probably help |
| 14:17.50 | fedya_ | yes :( it sucks |
| 14:17.53 | fedya_ | i hate coldfusion |
| 14:18.00 | surfer1975 | Can someone help a newb with the most basic stuff? |
| 14:18.21 | riot | Zugschlus: yeah, i have these load-spikes on the other box, but they're not really a problem. So thanks! |
| 14:18.29 | WOlftang | debian ISO Sid CD 1 is enought for a basic Debian system? |
| 14:18.53 | surfer1975 | I was wondering if I could have help with installing xchat for starters |
| 14:18.57 | pipeline | WOlftang: All you need is the "netinst" disc. Despite its name, it contains enough packages to install the most minimal debian system. |
| 14:19.03 | pipeline | surfer1975: apt-get install xchat ; hit enter :P |
| 14:19.09 | surfer1975 | thx lol |
| 14:19.25 | fedya_ | hah, i did that yesterday |
| 14:19.26 | wombachi | fedya_ my university was using it years ago but now they only uses PHP and spares a lot of money and headaches :) |
| 14:19.41 | fedya_ | wombachi: tell me about it |
| 14:19.47 | surfer1975 | so what do I do if I wanna install KDE? |
| 14:19.53 | surfer1975 | apt-get ??? |
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| 14:20.39 | surfer1975 | would it be apt-get install kde? |
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| 14:20.51 | WOlftang | pipeline: that netinst has apt? |
| 14:20.58 | Overand | how can I alphabetize a text file (cr/lf seperated lines) ? |
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| 14:21.27 | pipeline | WOlftang: Yes. It has a complete debian system. |
| 14:21.33 | pipeline | surfer1975: You're almost but not quite using your brabin :P |
| 14:21.38 | pipeline | Overand: cat | sort ? |
| 14:21.48 | Overand | haha 'sort' |
| 14:21.49 | chealer | surfer1975: see #debian-kde |
| 14:21.53 | Overand | wow, of course it would be that easy |
| 14:21.53 | Overand | thanks |
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| 14:22.23 | surfer1975 | chealer: go to that channel? |
| 14:22.30 | WOlftang | pipeline: ok, thanks, bye |
| 14:22.39 | chealer | surfer1975: yes, and read its /topic |
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| 14:22.44 | Ti_Uhl | hello |
| 14:22.52 | surfer1975 | chealer: thx |
| 14:22.56 | weissi | has anyone expirience with ldap and php |
| 14:22.58 | wombachi | fedya_ It's was back in 1999/2000. they wanted to upgrade, but the cost was about 2,500 euros iirc. |
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| 14:23.17 | surfer1975 | bbl all, and thx |
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| 14:23.40 | Ti_Uhl | how can i make it possible to run GUI application with a different user from the commandline ? if i run a program as root in the terminal it tells me it can't connect to the X server, is there a way to change that ? |
| 14:23.44 | fedya_ | 2,500 euro or just install php for fre |
| 14:24.01 | wombachi | fedya_ in fact, they didnt really need coldfusion, so they choose the free PHP, that simple :) |
| 14:24.13 | fedya_ | wombachi: so it seems that it would be easier to rewrite these forms in php than it would be to figure out how to get cfm support for apache |
| 14:24.18 | weissi | has anyone expirience with ldap and php |
| 14:24.19 | pipeline | wombachi, fedya_ : CF to PHP? Frying pan to fire :\ |
| 14:24.23 | wombachi | fedya_ all the "critical" servers (web,mail) runs unix-like OSes |
| 14:24.54 | fedya_ | pipeline: what do you mean, frying pan to fire? |
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| 14:25.09 | Overand | ok, how do i concatenate multiple files? |
| 14:25.14 | wombachi | fedya_ I didnt use/setup CF environments myself, I cant help you |
| 14:25.37 | Ti_Uhl | how can i make it possible to run GUI application with a different user from the commandline ? if i run a program as root in the terminal it tells me it can't connect to the X server, is there a way to change that ? anyone ? |
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| 14:25.48 | wombachi | Overand "cat f1.txt f2.txt > total.txt" |
| 14:25.49 | weissi | has anyone expirience with ldap and php |
| 14:25.54 | Overand | wombachi: thanks |
| 14:26.06 | Overand | didn't know cat could accept multiple files/devices |
| 14:26.24 | wombachi | Overand try "man cat" : man pages are often very helpfull and you learn new things all the time |
| 14:26.32 | weissi | has anyone expirience with ldap and php |
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| 14:27.00 | blondie | cat => mew mew mew mew mew |
| 14:27.14 | weissi | how do i get start_tls running |
| 14:27.28 | wombachi | fedya_ if you already have a big CF base, converting to PHP doesnt seem the easy way |
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| 14:27.33 | lorenz | but in order to mount i must put device in fstab, right? and why if i search to mount --> mount: can't find /dev/sda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
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| 14:27.52 | fedya_ | wombachi: i hope it's not a big base :-\,i think it's only a couple mail in forms |
| 14:28.02 | jm_ | Ti_Uhl: use sux |
| 14:28.08 | surfer1975_ | hey all, you guys rock...now got xchat lol |
| 14:28.24 | kingspwned | lorenz, probably because its not in fstab or mtab? |
| 14:28.27 | pmallapp | hi all, |
| 14:28.34 | wombachi | fedya_ If it's only a few forms and you know PHP, go for it |
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| 14:28.54 | wombachi | fedya_ PHP is really a simple language |
| 14:28.54 | pmallapp | As i noticed there is no libgnomeprint for etch amd64 weekly dvd's from jigdo |
| 14:29.12 | lorenz | kingspwned, i have putted this in fstab: /dev/sda1 /mnt/windata ntfs defaults, umask=000 0 0 |
| 14:29.29 | weissi | wombachi do you have expirience with ldap and php |
| 14:30.11 | wombachi | weissi with php, not ldap. PS Asking the same question 99 times wont help you |
| 14:30.31 | weissi | wombachi who could help me |
| 14:30.35 | kingspwned | lorenz, you might want umask 0222, but i am just guessing here. it doesnt mount it when doing mount -a? |
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| 14:31.03 | wombachi | weissi did you read http://www.php.net/manual/en/ref.ldap.php ? |
| 14:31.25 | weissi | wombachi do you know the php function ldap_start_tls |
| 14:31.39 | BadMan | well crapola... all I want is a single floppy boot diskette that will boot the cdrom on this p.o.s.... any suggestions? I dont want ubuntu on it(i really dont want winders on it again).. I want woody cause of its xserver |
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| 14:31.47 | lorenz | kingspwned, mount: can't find /dev/sda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 14:32.07 | wombachi | weissi nope http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.ldap-start-tls.php |
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| 14:32.45 | codenamewilley | hello every1 |
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| 14:32.54 | xaitax | lorenz usbstick? |
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| 14:33.09 | weissi | wombachi This function is currently not documented; only the argument list is available. |
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| 14:33.15 | codenamewilley | Well i have installed Gnome but now how do i start it |
| 14:33.20 | codenamewilley | there is no startx |
| 14:33.46 | snowgoose | i have tar ball how do i install it? |
| 14:33.48 | surfer1975 | <Still newb'n it: Can someone point me in the direction or help install my WLAN card? |
| 14:33.57 | lorenz | xaitax, no. windows ntfs partition |
| 14:34.01 | xaitax | outch |
| 14:34.03 | xaitax | ok ;-) |
| 14:34.16 | codenamewilley | I am kinda used to redhat so........... |
| 14:34.23 | jm_ | BadMan: SBM |
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| 14:34.42 | srounet | [linux last report about free softwar] http://sk4ry.free.fr/yoshi-powa.htm [Last News] |
| 14:34.57 | kingspwned | lorenz, does it mount manually, then? |
| 14:34.58 | weissi | wombachi the function is not include in php by default |
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| 14:35.24 | lorenz | kingspwned, what? |
| 14:35.39 | kingspwned | lorenz, if you just go mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /wherever, does it mount? |
| 14:35.52 | BadMan | jm_: yeah had it once, when i installe dubuntu to try it out ont he old laptop(syuccessfully) i lost it now with all my fiddling and good ol fdsisk etc.. I have lsot it again hehe |
| 14:36.07 | BadMan | I am grabbing the sarge 4 floppy boot set right now... |
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| 14:36.14 | jm_ | BadMan: /msg dpkg sbm |
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| 14:36.21 | weissi | how do i get ldap_start_tls running |
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| 14:36.34 | gudi | hi |
| 14:36.52 | gudi | what can cause the problem that i only see a blue screen when try to play ts files ? |
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| 14:37.05 | srounet | [linux last report about free softwar] http://sk4ry.free.fr/yoshi-power.htm [Last News] [GOOD URL] |
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| 14:37.29 | zimnyx | strace -e open locale 2>&1 | grep 'No such'; returns many lines, one of them is: "open("/usr/lib/locale/pl/LC_CTYPE", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)". How can i fix it? i reinstalled libc6.. dpkg-reconfigure locales. and still locale is unfixed. |
| 14:37.40 | lorenz | kingspwned, it given.t error but the volume seems not mounted |
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| 14:38.06 | kingspwned | lorenz, well aint that strange |
| 14:38.07 | kingspwned | hm |
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| 14:38.15 | codenamewilley | any help with gnome? |
| 14:38.15 | wombachi | weissi Get the ldap libs, compile php with ldap support, and read the doc |
| 14:38.28 | kingspwned | lorenz, put your fstab on pastebin or somewhere |
| 14:38.35 | jm_ | zimnyx: why is it looking for pl locale? |
| 14:38.41 | wombachi | weissi or just install php4-ldap package by example |
| 14:38.41 | azeem | codenamewilley: apt-get install gdm |
| 14:38.52 | azeem | codenamewilley: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 14:38.54 | kingspwned | lorenz, you are operating as root, correct? |
| 14:39.06 | surfer1975 | <Still newb'n it: Can someone point me in the direction or help install my WLAN card? |
| 14:39.08 | weissi | wombachi ldap_start_tls is not included in php-ldap by def. |
| 14:39.15 | codenamewilley | azeem:thank you i'll try that |
| 14:39.18 | codenamewilley | :) |
| 14:39.19 | lorenz | kingspwned, yes |
| 14:39.23 | zimnyx | jm_: yeah. |
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| 14:39.41 | jm_ | zimnyx: did you try running locale-gen? you can't answer that question with yeah |
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| 14:39.52 | wombachi | weissi then you'll have to get the libs and compile a ldap-tls-enabled php |
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| 14:40.42 | weissi | wombachi sorry |
| 14:40.55 | wombachi | np |
| 14:40.57 | lorenz | kingspwned, lorenz: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/YIzqlV48.html |
| 14:41.04 | zimnyx | jm_: yes. it says: pl_PL.UTF-8... done; Generation complete. |
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| 14:41.25 | jm_ | zimnyx: and the file is sitll not there? |
| 14:41.26 | surfer1975 | I'm using a Atheros AR500G |
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| 14:41.40 | kingspwned | lorenz, the other ntfs partition is working? |
| 14:42.04 | lorenz | kingspwned, noone |
| 14:42.09 | zimnyx | jm_: in /usr/lib/locale/ there is only on file 'locale-archive' |
| 14:42.56 | zimnyx | no new files appear after locale-gen |
| 14:43.02 | jm_ | zimnyx: yeah same here |
| 14:43.18 | silensius | how can i have locales in fench and have possibilties to see in terminal screen turkish fonts ? |
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| 14:43.44 | surfer1975 | How can I check to see if my WLAN card is installed? |
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| 14:44.03 | jm_ | zimnyx: but I am on Sarge, and it opens that file, someone with newer release will have to help you |
| 14:44.22 | zimnyx | jm_: thanks. |
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| 14:44.40 | \\Neo | ok i got my wlan0 to autoload in "interfaces" - where would i put the wpa_supplicant start command? |
| 14:44.44 | yc | !test |
| 14:44.44 | dpkg | Yes, yc, you're still online. |
| 14:44.56 | fedya_ | wombachi: yea i'm pretty good with php, that's why i'm thinkig that would be the easier solution |
| 14:44.57 | surfer1975 | lol |
| 14:44.57 | azeem | \\Neo: good question |
| 14:45.04 | azeem | \\Neo: I am not sure this is integrated yet |
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| 14:45.13 | \\Neo | mmmh |
| 14:45.17 | evaded | Hi guys :-) |
| 14:45.19 | \\Neo | on fedora there was a ifup-wireless script |
| 14:45.25 | mircolei | Hey ho |
| 14:45.26 | \\Neo | perhaps sth like this existing here too? |
| 14:45.29 | azeem | \\Neo: see the interfaces manpage, you can specify commands to run once a interface is brought up |
| 14:45.29 | abrotman | can't the iwtools do that? |
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| 14:45.35 | \\Neo | ah cool |
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| 14:45.36 | \\Neo | thx |
| 14:45.40 | \\Neo | overread this :) |
| 14:45.43 | azeem | abrotman: wpa is disconnected to them I think |
| 14:45.48 | abrotman | ah ok |
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| 14:46.01 | codenamewilley | does apt-get install download the files downloaded by build-dep again? |
| 14:46.14 | surfer1975 | How do I check to see if my wireless card is installed? |
| 14:46.24 | lorenz | !ntfs |
| 14:46.24 | dpkg | [ntfs] Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access the partition as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html, or ask me about captiventfs |
| 14:46.33 | mircolei | surfer1975: use lspci |
| 14:46.34 | weissi | wombachi thx for all |
| 14:46.41 | surfer1975 | thx |
| 14:46.50 | evaded | surfer1975: "lspci" or if an usb one "lsusb"?? |
| 14:47.25 | evaded | mircolei: Whe are on the same wave today :-) |
| 14:48.10 | lorenz | !captiventfs |
| 14:48.10 | dpkg | it has been said that captive is The first kind of free if you squint NTFS read/write filesystem for GNU/Linux. http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/, or <abrotman> livingtm: well .. captive-ntfs is another ball of wax .. it's like wine for your filesystem .. and given how well wine works .. i avoid it like naked pictures of my mom |
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| 14:48.28 | mircolei | evaded: you say it... |
| 14:48.40 | lorenz | LOL |
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| 14:48.56 | pipeline | lorenz: NO. >:( |
| 14:49.02 | livingtm | hey im famous |
| 14:49.08 | pipeline | Captive is totally unmaintained. |
| 14:49.10 | pipeline | It's ancient. |
| 14:49.14 | pipeline | Don't go there. |
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| 14:49.51 | surfer1975 | K thx again......Now its installed (Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5212 802.11abg NIC (rev 01) |
| 14:49.51 | surfer1975 | )......How do I configure it? Sorry for being a pain in the _ _ _. |
| 14:49.54 | mircolei | I can't mount my old external SCSI cdrom, and yes I've checked if sr_mod is loaded. Hope someone can spread some light on me ??? |
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| 14:50.44 | evaded | surfer1975: "ifconfig eth0 <IP>; ifconfig eth0 up"?? |
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| 14:50.48 | wombachi | fedya_ if you deal with mails in PHP, please escape \r?\n from mail headers (in mail() args) to avoid relaying spam... |
| 14:50.56 | mircolei | If it's from interest: I'm running edge, installed yesterday with DI-beta2. |
| 14:51.23 | surfer1975 | Evaded: will try it |
| 14:51.29 | fedya_ | wombachi: explain please, i'm not sure if i know what you're talking about |
| 14:51.47 | evaded | surfer1975: Then type "ifconfig" to see the things about it, o |
| 14:53.14 | surfer1975 | evaded: I get this error.....bash: ifconfig: command not found |
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| 14:53.32 | evaded | surfer1975: Do it as root user |
| 14:53.37 | surfer1975 | doh |
| 14:53.44 | lorenz | pipeline, no what? |
| 14:53.46 | evaded | surfer1975: or /sbin/ifconfig |
| 14:54.11 | wombachi | fedya_ if you use the 4th arg of mail() to inject headers (ex "From: $email") then make sure users cant inject \r\n in that 4th arg, to avoid mail header injection attacks |
| 14:54.11 | yc | weissi, don't you have an alternative to the nickname "weissi" (I registered it on NickServ)?? |
| 14:54.35 | evaded | surfer1975: But like an normal user have no many right, it's better to setup it as root! ATTENTION with the root user! |
| 14:54.47 | wombachi | fedya_ if you dont filter \r?\n then they basically can modify your mail headers and body (ex send spam) |
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| 14:55.17 | surfer1975 | evaded: when running command "ifconfig" my WLAN card is not listed |
| 14:55.19 | fedya_ | sdf /r/n is just a new line right? i don't think i'll be using the 4th arg, i think the form only gets sent to whoever takes care of the website for this company |
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| 14:55.40 | evaded | surfer1975: Right, it's an wireless -> 'iwconfig' |
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| 14:55.54 | surfer1975 | evaded |
| 14:55.57 | P4C0 | hello guys, where is the place (like 3rd party repository) to find up to date and strange debian packages?? |
| 14:56.02 | surfer1975 | : thx still new lol |
| 14:56.03 | sewi | hello, on which irc channel I can ask a question about Makefiles? |
| 14:56.25 | evaded | surfer1975: It's not an madwifi card? |
| 14:57.00 | evaded | surfer1975: So like it's an wifi card, no eth0 but it's wlan0, if it's not an madwifi |
| 14:57.07 | settd | does anyone know what fs type is 83 in cfdisk? it says it is linux fs but what is it |
| 14:57.08 | surfer1975 | lo no wireless extensions. |
| 14:57.08 | surfer1975 | eth0 no wireless extensions. |
| 14:57.08 | surfer1975 | sit0 no wireless extensions. |
| 14:57.16 | settd | ext3,2 or reisfs |
| 14:57.31 | evaded | surfer1975: iwconfig wlan0 up' |
| 14:57.49 | evaded | surfer1975: It's clearly -> "iwconfig wlan0 up" |
| 14:57.50 | roxy_ | sewi: maybe #c++ |
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| 14:58.06 | surfer1975 | Error : unrecognised wireless request "up" |
| 14:58.16 | wombachi | fedya_ a google link http://securephp.damonkohler.com/index.php/Email_Injection |
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| 14:58.22 | evaded | surfer1975: It's an madwifi card?? |
| 14:58.34 | surfer1975 | I get the name brb |
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| 14:58.44 | azeem | evaded: are you sure iwconfig has 'up'? |
| 14:58.47 | azeem | I don't think so |
| 14:59.03 | sewi | roxy_: ok I'll try there. |
| 14:59.03 | surfer1975 | evaded: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5212 802.11abg NIC (rev 01) |
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| 14:59.26 | evaded | azeem: Right! |
| 14:59.40 | xaitax | settd: i think it was ext3 |
| 14:59.42 | surfer1975 | evaded: not sure what you mean by madwifi |
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| 14:59.53 | mne_ | surfer1975, nice, atheros cards are pretty cool ;) i guess you confused iwconfig with ifconfig ;) |
| 15:00.01 | BadMan | doess dd "format the floppy when putting an image to it? |
| 15:00.25 | mircolei | BadMan: no it just puts the image on to the floppy |
| 15:00.26 | BadMan | i.e. : dd if=boot.img of=/dev/fd0 |
| 15:00.32 | evaded | surfer1975: It's and card with the shipset madwifi. Like i not know many about Madwifi :-/ But there are an #madwifi |
| 15:00.35 | mne_ | anyone using a crypto-filesystem ? I'm not sure wether to choose loop-aes or dm-crypt |
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| 15:00.45 | stew | BadMan: there would be no point in formatting, since dd is going to replace every bit on the floppy anyway |
| 15:00.58 | surfer1975 | mne: when I run iwconfig I get this: lo no wireless extensions. |
| 15:00.58 | surfer1975 | eth0 no wireless extensions. |
| 15:00.58 | surfer1975 | sit0 no wireless extensions. |
| 15:01.00 | evaded | surfer1975: Try "iwconfig" then iwlist wlan- |
| 15:01.08 | stew | !tell surfer1975 about flood |
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| 15:01.09 | BadMan | mircolei: ok so it will be afunctional boot image placed on the diskette then |
| 15:01.10 | evaded | surfer1975: Try "iwconfig" then "iwlist wlan0 scan" |
| 15:01.59 | surfer1975 | exaded: wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning. |
| 15:01.59 | mircolei | BadMan: if the img file you're going to put on floppy is bootable ... |
| 15:02.19 | evaded | surfer1975: Avoid to paste here somethings, there are other existing things where you can paste many things, if you paste here that will borow everyone because we need to scroll again if ... |
| 15:02.25 | pipeline | lorenz: Don't do the Captive NTFS thing :( |
| 15:02.31 | mircolei | pastebin.com |
| 15:02.36 | mne_ | surfer1975, then it seems like your cards does not have wireless externsions ;) (thus the driver does not offer wireless externtions) i guess there are other tools to configure your atheros card then |
| 15:03.11 | surfer1975 | thx all, and sorry about the pasteing in chat |
| 15:03.12 | evaded | surfer1975: Try "iwlist wlan0 scan" |
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| 15:03.19 | mircolei | surfer1975: use google to look for something like: "debian madwifi howto" |
| 15:03.59 | lorenz | pipeline, i don.t want do this :) but i wish a total compatibility between filesystems :( |
| 15:04.29 | surfer1975 | mircolei: thx will do......evaded: I got this message when I ran that command: wlan0 interface doesn't support scanning. |
| 15:04.37 | pipeline | lorenz: Captive doesn't work. |
| 15:04.44 | evaded | surfer1975: Now you know ;-) so paster or pastebin :-) |
| 15:04.47 | pipeline | lorenz: Get VMWare Server; use VMware to share the NTFS filesystem over the network. |
| 15:04.51 | mne_ | dm-crypt or loop-aes ? |
| 15:04.51 | pipeline | lorenz: VMware Server is free, you see. |
| 15:04.55 | lorenz | pipeline, i imagine that |
| 15:05.03 | BadMan | mircolei: thanks it booted jsut fine.. used linux floppy=thinkpad for params... |
| 15:05.15 | lorenz | pipeline, what is? |
| 15:05.21 | pipeline | abrotman: What would it take to get that captive factoid replaced with just "DON'T USE CAPTIVE, DAMNIT" |
| 15:05.30 | xaitax | captive will do nothing but bork your fs |
| 15:05.31 | pipeline | lorenz: VMware Server is free. Costs nothing. Zero dollars. |
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| 15:05.48 | abrotman | !captiventfs is also <pipeline> abrotman: What would it take to get that captive factoid replaced with just "DON'T USE CAPTIVE, DAMNIT" |
| 15:05.48 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
| 15:05.56 | abrotman | pipeline: better? :) |
| 15:05.57 | evaded | surfer1975: Can you give that card an IP? "ifconfig wlan0 <IP>" |
| 15:06.02 | lorenz | pipeline, yes but what does vms? |
| 15:06.20 | pipeline | lorenz: You can run windows inside a virtual machine, then use the virtual machine to share your Windows filesystems over the network. |
| 15:06.27 | pipeline | lorenz: i.e. run windows and debian at the same time |
| 15:06.27 | surfer1975 | to all: thx for help this newb out.....one day I will have the knowledge lol |
| 15:06.35 | pipeline | surfer1975: Eh, it's why we bother to come here :p |
| 15:06.41 | abrotman | pipeline: not better? |
| 15:06.43 | surfer1975 | lol |
| 15:07.04 | evaded | surfer1975: Begin to learn today, it's an great day ;-) |
| 15:07.10 | pipeline | abrotman: Vastly :P |
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| 15:07.24 | abrotman | !captiventfs |
| 15:07.24 | dpkg | captive is, like, The first kind of free if you squint NTFS read/write filesystem for GNU/Linux. http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/, or <abrotman> livingtm: well .. captive-ntfs is another ball of wax .. it's like wine for your filesystem .. and given how well wine works .. i avoid it like naked pictures of my mom, or <pipeline> abrotman: What would it take to get that captive factoid replaced with just "DON'T USE CAPTIVE, DAMNIT" |
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| 15:07.27 | abrotman | yay! |
| 15:07.39 | evaded | surfer1975: DO NOT GIVE UP |
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| 15:07.43 | evaded | Sorry guys :-/ |
| 15:07.45 | xaitax | *lol* |
| 15:07.49 | lorenz | pipeline, but what is the difference between VMWorkstation and VMServer? |
| 15:08.06 | pipeline | lorenz: Workstation has VM "teams"; Workstation has background snapshotting. |
| 15:08.21 | pipeline | lorenz: Let's put it this way: Server, the free version, is so nice that I upgraded *from* Workstation to VM-S :P |
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| 15:09.25 | evaded | surfer1975: Listen to me, do not give up, when you give not up, it's so that you learn some new great things, i understand in the begin ... If you would know my begin :-/ but everything we can learn. It take time it take ambitions. But do not give up man ;-) |
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| 15:10.11 | lorenz | pipeline, the problem is: i'm win and linux dual boot |
| 15:10.22 | pipeline | lorenz: Look |
| 15:10.28 | pipeline | lorenz: The only practical way to get write access to NTFS under Linux |
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| 15:10.31 | pipeline | lorenz: Is VMWare. |
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| 15:10.37 | pipeline | lorenz: Captive does not work. Don't bark up that tree. |
| 15:11.32 | lorenz | pipeline, in fact i want change ntfs datas in fat32 |
| 15:11.33 | xaitax | well i think writing "works", but you can't change the filesize or something like that ;-) |
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| 15:14.56 | abrotman | hi |
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| 15:15.15 | BadMan | woohoo sarge netinst on its way from perdue.edu! |
| 15:15.24 | dorel | i've got the mythgames package installed... where do i put the games i got though? |
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| 15:15.57 | BadMan | now once I get to base install if it dont flop on me I gotta get xfree86 3.3.6 for this p.o.s. laptop |
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| 15:16.16 | gab_ | hello |
| 15:16.23 | surfer1975 | Newb back.....when reading a howto...its instructing to run "apt-get install madwifi-tools madwifi-source"....I get this message "E: Couldn't find package madwifi-tools" |
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| 15:16.39 | heedly | hello, I get this error with debian unstable - http://pastebin.com/618060 |
| 15:17.08 | BadMan | surfer1975: try apt-get update when its done apt-cache search madwifi tof ind the correct package name |
| 15:17.23 | heedly | Is it possible to force aptitude to ignore that dependency? |
| 15:17.28 | heedly | or apt-get for that matter. |
| 15:17.32 | surfer1975 | BadMan: thx |
| 15:17.37 | BadMan | nop surfer1975 |
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| 15:18.04 | BadMan | no guarantees either 8) |
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| 15:19.17 | surfer1975 | BadMan: is this the second command: apt-cache search madwifi? |
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| 15:22.27 | surfer1975 | When I run command "apt-cache search madwifi" I get this message "hostapd - user space IEEE 802.11 AP and IEEE 802.1X/WPA/WPA2/EAP Authenticator" |
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| 15:23.37 | stew | !madwifi-install |
| 15:23.37 | dpkg | it has been said that madwifi-install is like, to install madwifi drivers built against the Debian standard kernel builds for woody/sarge, add "deb http://debian.isg.ee.ethz.ch/public sarge madwifi" to /etc/apt/sources.list, then as root: "apt-get update ; apt-get install module-assistant madwifi-source kernel-headers-$(uname -r)" then: "m-a a-i madwifi". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0. |
| 15:24.04 | BadMan | surfer1975: yea |
| 15:24.05 | evaded | It's looks that there are no many guys today :-/ |
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| 15:24.07 | stew | hmm thats old |
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| 15:24.43 | abrotman | i think there's a madwifi one-liner |
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| 15:25.38 | stew | !no madwifi-install is to install madwifi on sarge: add "deb http://debian.isg.ee.ethz.ch/public sarge madwifi" to /etc/apt/sources.list, in etch or sid, ask me about <non-free>, then as root: "apt-get update ; apt-get install module-assistant madwifi-source kernel-headers-$(uname -r)" then: "m-a a-i madwifi". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0. |
| 15:25.38 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 15:26.02 | evaded | !madwifi-install |
| 15:26.02 | dpkg | somebody said madwifi-install was to install madwifi on sarge: add "deb http://debian.isg.ee.ethz.ch/public sarge madwifi" to /etc/apt/sources.list, in etch or sid, ask me about <non-free>, then as root: "apt-get update ; apt-get install module-assistant madwifi-source kernel-headers-$(uname -r)" then: "m-a a-i madwifi". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0. |
| 15:26.02 | BadMan | witha 2.1gb hda, would putting everything in one ext3 partion be ok? |
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| 15:26.37 | evaded | stew: Thanks :-) |
| 15:26.51 | zimnyx | Qiestion to somebody who runs Etch: does locale-gen generate files in /usr/lib/locale/ ? |
| 15:27.37 | surfer1975 | Man I'm sooooo new: okay command "apt-get install module-assistant madwifi-source kernel-headers-$(what do I put here?-r)" |
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| 15:28.11 | stew | surfer1975: $(uname -r) <- this just substitues the version number of your running kernel |
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| 15:28.22 | BadMan | well, looks liek it is going to be a slow process.. off to play some poker... |
| 15:28.34 | surfer1975 | stew: thx man, and how do I find that info? |
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| 15:29.01 | stew | surfer1975: try typing "uname -r" at a prompt, it will generate something like "2.6.8-2", the $(foo) means execute foo then put the results here as if i had typed then |
| 15:29.29 | pif | I have two computers linked with a cross cable on two gigabit cards (ethtool report 1000Mb on both), yet I only get 100TX performance on that link, where should I look? |
| 15:29.30 | stew | surfer1975: "man uname" would tell you about uname, find a bash scripting howto for shell script tricks |
| 15:29.40 | surfer1975 | thx stew |
| 15:30.03 | pif | both ethernet cards are part of a bridge on each machine |
| 15:30.10 | phaedral | apt-get install says sysvinit is installed; man sysvinit fails; which sysvinit fails; locate sysvinit has no /bin, /sbin; |
| 15:30.26 | phaedral | can I please have a clue? |
| 15:30.28 | stew | pif: do you get a link light indicating 1000 or 100? do you get a message in syslog/dmesg when the link is established indicating 1000 or 100? |
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| 15:30.29 | pipeline | phaedral: /usr/share/doc/sysvinit |
| 15:30.35 | chealer | i'm trying to purge debconf values for a package. according to man debconf-devel, PURGE is "Call this in your postrm when your package is purged. It removes all of your package’s questions from debconf’s database". is there a way to use PURGE out of postrm, say from debconf-communicate? |
| 15:30.41 | stew | pif: and what kind of throughput are you actually getting? |
| 15:30.43 | wols | phaedral: dpkg -L sysvinit |
| 15:30.54 | pif | stew: links are 1000 on both sides |
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| 15:31.05 | phaedral | wols: thanks |
| 15:31.07 | pif | ethtool reports 1000 as well as dmesg |
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| 15:31.18 | evaded | surfer1975: So it's solved? |
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| 15:31.26 | pif | the rsync gives me 8,05Mb/s max |
| 15:31.38 | wols | Mb? as in lowecase b? |
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| 15:31.48 | wols | that's not even standard ethernet speed |
| 15:32.07 | stew | "standard ethernet speed"? |
| 15:32.12 | pif | no, MB |
| 15:32.14 | JasonF | I'm looking for some help getting traffic shaping setup on a sarge server. I've read the tc howto on tdlp, and just have more questions. Basically, I want to limit upload/outgoing bandwidth to 1.5MBit steady and 5MBit bursts |
| 15:32.59 | pif | when connecting one of computers to another machine with the same cross cable, I get 30+ MB/s |
| 15:33.01 | stew | JasonF: apt-get install wondershaper and modify the wondershaper script, its a great starting point |
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| 15:33.23 | stew | pif: how long is the cable? |
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| 15:33.56 | pif | 1m |
| 15:34.12 | surfer1975 | When I run this command "apt-get install module-assistant madwifi-source kernel-headers-$ 2.6.15-1-486" I get this message "E: Couldn't find package madwifi-source" Now what do I do? I did get hostapd to install. |
| 15:34.18 | wols | stew: standard ethernet = 10 Mb/s |
| 15:34.22 | stew | if you have one, i'd try a longer cable. 1m is the minimum allowed |
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| 15:34.32 | pif | it's not the cable; is there a kernel option that I missed which limits throughput? |
| 15:34.42 | pif | or a bridge option? |
| 15:34.44 | stew | wols: are you indicating that he should see 10mb/s or 100mb/s throughput using rsync? that's nuts |
| 15:34.53 | evaded | surfer1975: The package you want to install not exist, simply. |
| 15:34.56 | stew | pif: how do you know its not the cable? |
| 15:35.11 | guyzmo | surfer1975 - apt-cache show hostapd |
| 15:35.15 | wols | no. I am indicating that he gets ridiculous low speeds if it were 8Mb/s only |
| 15:35.20 | pif | when connecting one of computers to another machine with the same cross cable, I get 30+ MB/s |
| 15:35.21 | wols | but that's OT so we better stop |
| 15:35.25 | livingtm | is there a way to tell dhclient not to attempt to get IPs for adapters that are not connected? (like when i boot my laptop with no cable connected) |
| 15:35.27 | evaded | surfer1975: It should somethings like "kernel-headers-2.6.15-1-486" without an space etc... |
| 15:35.30 | guyzmo | surfer1975 - you may not have it in your reposity |
| 15:35.36 | stew | pif: are all the cards the same make? |
| 15:35.37 | phaedral | maybe i'm thinking of a different app? sysvinit a cli? Am I confusing it with a gui frontend? |
| 15:35.45 | evaded | surfer1975: Running Testing? |
| 15:36.05 | pipeline | phaedral: sysvinit is the package that contains the sysv-style init scripts |
| 15:36.12 | stew | pif: if not, i still would think it could be the cable, some nics are more sensitive than others when it comes to having cables too short |
| 15:36.34 | pipeline | phaedral: Maybe you want sysv-rc-conf or sysvconfig ? |
| 15:36.53 | phaedral | pipeline: i'll apt-cache search for those; thanks |
| 15:37.38 | phaedral | needed to search for "sysv" instead of "sysvinit"; thanks! |
| 15:37.49 | evaded | surfer1975: I suspect you to running Etch (Testing) or somethings not like the Sarge (Stable) version |
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| 15:38.01 | evaded | surfer1975: Right? |
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| 15:39.36 | kdiant | hi, when will xgl be available on debian and kde |
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| 15:40.19 | Eulex | kdiant, WIR. xorg 7.0 will have to come into unstable first, at least. |
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| 15:41.04 | kdiant | i have an unstable debian :P |
| 15:41.46 | azeem | kdiant: it'll take a while |
| 15:41.53 | stew | kdiant: not until after the 7.0 transition happens which is (i think) waiting on the gnome transition |
| 15:41.53 | kdiant | ok |
| 15:42.22 | stew | kdiant: and of course /msg dpkg wir ; /msg dpkg siyh |
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| 15:44.36 | Hugle | how do I tell lilo to load for example linux2 but on next reboot it would load LinuxDEFAULT ? |
| 15:45.15 | sussudio | Hugle: man lilo or zless /usr/share/doc/lilo/Manual.gz |
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| 15:47.58 | phaedral | next: trying to tweak X; card on PCI:1:5.0 is an ATI Radeon XPRESS 200M |
| 15:48.15 | phaedral | I'm wondering if that "200M" is the memory amount to enter in dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 15:48.44 | Hugle | sussudio ;) thanks |
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| 15:48.53 | xoz | phaedral: just leave it blank |
| 15:49.00 | Morydd | hello, I'm having trouble setting up a GeForce FX 5500 card. startx seems to run fine with the configuration, but I get nothing on the screen. |
| 15:49.14 | st0ner | is it okay to use "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/my_usb_disc bs=1M" to completely wipe my external usb drive? |
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| 15:49.33 | phaedral | xoz: then this isn't one of the cards taht steals from ram? will leave blank; thanks |
| 15:50.03 | wols | phaedral: it's the chipset name |
| 15:50.40 | phaedral | wols: thanks |
| 15:51.04 | wols | and yes, afaik it's one of those that steals from main memory |
| 15:51.26 | phaedral | wols: then I need to tell dpkg-reconfigure how much? |
| 15:51.32 | surfer1975 | now done with WLAN on to sound lol |
| 15:51.42 | wols | I'd say 64. should be typical |
| 15:51.44 | phaedral | and where should I have figured that out on my own? the ATI site? |
| 15:51.49 | wols | probably can set it in BIOS |
| 15:52.03 | phaedral | 64K? |
| 15:52.06 | surfer1975 | How do I check to see if my sound card is installed is it "lspci" again? |
| 15:52.15 | wols | 64MB |
| 15:52.24 | wols | surfer1975: lsmod probably |
| 15:52.28 | st0ner | yes lspci |
| 15:52.42 | wols | lspci is to see what pci deveices you have |
| 15:52.54 | wols | whica can include the soundcard |
| 15:52.58 | xoz | st0ner: you are stoned... |
| 15:53.00 | st0ner | yes to see if the soundcrd is installed :) |
| 15:53.08 | phaedral | mb; roger |
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| 15:53.22 | surfer1975 | wols: thx |
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| 15:53.34 | st0ner | intalled physically |
| 15:54.02 | surfer1975 | I see that its install now on the task bar by the time I see that it is muted. I uncheck mute but its doesn't unmute. |
| 15:54.12 | smmusashi | nao estou conseguindo instalar o qtpartition |
| 15:54.18 | smmusashi | alguem pode me ajudar? |
| 15:54.28 | chealer | !tell smmusashi about br |
| 15:54.38 | thingfish | !br |
| 15:54.38 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 15:54.42 | Neverther | surfer1975, add yourself to audio groub? |
| 15:54.43 | st0ner | check /proc/asound |
| 15:54.44 | zophyx_ | where can i get a woody netinst iso ? |
| 15:54.55 | Neverther | first try playing souds as root |
| 15:54.56 | dorel | sheesh |
| 15:54.58 | dorel | woody is so old |
| 15:55.02 | Ronin | zophyx_: woody? was there even a netinstall cd? |
| 15:55.04 | wols | zophyx_: get sarge. please |
| 15:55.07 | zophyx_ | so is my hardware |
| 15:55.21 | Neverther | Ronin, there was netistall cd, ive used it |
| 15:55.26 | xoz | zophyx_: cpu? |
| 15:55.29 | wols | Ronin: there was. I still have some isos here on disk |
| 15:55.31 | surfer1975 | Neverther: audio groub?? how do I do that? |
| 15:55.32 | zophyx_ | alpha |
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| 15:55.49 | Neverther | surfer1975, gpasswd -a username audio ? |
| 15:55.54 | wols | surfer1975: man addgroup |
| 15:56.04 | wols | oops |
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| 15:56.24 | lorenz | !usb-storage |
| 15:56.25 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. |
| 15:56.40 | surfer1975 | thx sorry for all you having to put up with me |
| 15:56.42 | netman1 | Hi All. How can I find out which fonts are used by an X application? |
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| 15:57.02 | surfer1975 | you guys ROCK thx |
| 15:57.24 | dth | hi, i've got a question.I've installed a debian server, set the timezone, but users get a different time than root. anyone know how to fix this ? |
| 15:57.31 | rolph | Hey guys, I have a 200gb hdd installed on my debian sid workstation, i want to use it for my windows laptop as a mp3 hard drive.. how can i share it.. like nfs is between unix - unix, what about linux to win? |
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| 15:57.50 | netman1 | rolph: samba |
| 15:57.54 | surfer1975 | cya later /quit |
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| 15:58.31 | cahoot | netman1: xprop *might* be of use depending on what app |
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| 15:59.00 | netman1 | cahoot: thanks for the tip, it's a lead at leatst ;-) |
| 15:59.15 | smmusashi | how i install qtpartioned in my debian? |
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| 15:59.20 | ILF_ | i have the weirdest problem. date '+%m-%d %H:%M:%S' outputs "Thu Jan 1 01:00:00 CET 1970" o_O |
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| 15:59.39 | xoz | smmusashi: qtparted? |
| 15:59.48 | thingfish | smmusashi: you mean qtparted? |
| 15:59.49 | dth | ilf: what does hwclock -r give you ? |
| 15:59.51 | netman1 | smmusashi: apt-cache search qtparted ; apt-get install qtparted? |
| 15:59.54 | plutonas | hello guys. I use fc4 on my laptop (IBM R50e). I want to jump to debian. But I want my settings and my data kept. How would you do this? |
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| 16:00.15 | ILF_ | dth: hwclock isn't installed, but normal "date" without format is correct |
| 16:00.33 | dth | plutonas: make a tar file and back that up on an external machine ? |
| 16:00.47 | thingfish | smmusashi: it doesn't look like it's part of sarge, unless backports has it. |
| 16:00.47 | netman1 | plutonas: copy your $HOME |
| 16:01.05 | wols | oKtosiTe: depends a bit where FC4 keeps its settings and what kinds of programs you have installed |
| 16:01.14 | xoz | plutonas: settings in your homedir is ok but in /etc, some version of programs that rely on /etc config may have some confliects. what programs you want to preserve the settings? |
| 16:01.17 | dth | i'm pretty sure hwclock is installed , probably in the path of root: /sbin/hwclock |
| 16:01.28 | plutonas | netman1, copy it where? on dvd's? I don't have an external mashine |
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| 16:01.43 | ILF_ | dth: there it is and correct |
| 16:02.06 | plutonas | xoz, most important is the sleep mode script which took me 2 weeks to fix |
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| 16:02.16 | dth | ilf: and only "date" ? |
| 16:02.26 | ILF_ | dth: correct too, as i said |
| 16:02.26 | Kasha | Hi , anybody know soft for traffic coumting in Debian ? |
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| 16:02.39 | xoz | plutonas: where is it located? just backup those scripts. |
| 16:02.42 | chwalczan | hej |
| 16:02.45 | dth | so you're ginving it the wrong options |
| 16:02.47 | chwalczan | jest tu jakis polak |
| 16:02.49 | ILF_ | dth: sometimes the format works, sometimes it doesn't |
| 16:02.49 | dth | hi, i've got a question.I've installed a debian server, set the timezone, but users get a different time than root. anyone know how to fix this ? |
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| 16:02.58 | chwalczan | co |
| 16:02.58 | plutonas | all the other should be a one day apt get |
| 16:03.00 | xoz | Kasha: apt-cache search traffic |
| 16:03.44 | plutonas | Why would you recomend debian over fc4? |
| 16:03.47 | chwalczan | hi |
| 16:03.54 | chwalczan | j |
| 16:03.55 | ILF_ | plutonas: apt |
| 16:03.58 | Eulex | !pl |
| 16:03.58 | dpkg | somebody said pl was sometimes referred to as "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl |
| 16:04.05 | Eulex | chwalczan, ^^ |
| 16:04.12 | chwalczan | what |
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| 16:04.23 | kspath | chwalczan: This is English channel. Check for a #debian.pl or a #debian-pl or some other pl channel |
| 16:04.31 | xoz | Kasha: because once you settle in debian, you'll like it for the rest of your life :) |
| 16:04.32 | plutonas | ILF_, is apt that powerfull? |
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| 16:04.41 | kspath | Eulex: hehehe you got it already sorry. |
| 16:04.44 | ILF_ | plutonas: imho yes |
| 16:04.54 | netman1 | apt rules! |
| 16:04.56 | apt | rules is, like, Ktron makes the rules! |
| 16:05.03 | phaedral | plutonas apt is your friend |
| 16:05.03 | curt | I am trying to set up tun for qemu networking. ifconfig says no such device. even after adding it to modules. Is there something that may be missing or need to added to the kernel? |
| 16:05.03 | Eulex | !why debian |
| 16:05.04 | thingfish | plutonas: I found the FCs to be very bug-ridden. Debian Sarge, on the other hand, was produced with quality in mind. |
| 16:05.16 | thingfish | !tell plutonas about why Debian |
| 16:05.19 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 16:05.20 | Eulex | !test |
| 16:05.26 | dpkg | Sorry, eulex, I didn't get your test. |
| 16:05.26 | Fox | curt: tun/tap support ? |
| 16:05.29 | Eulex | ah, he's just slow |
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| 16:05.56 | thingfish | yes, seems slow today. |
| 16:06.02 | curt | Fox, the testing 2.6.15 wouldn't have that already? |
| 16:06.38 | Fox | curt: never used testing or debian kernel images, then I don't know |
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| 16:07.25 | kastberg | CARTOON FOR Mar 23, 2006 |
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| 16:09.57 | Kasha | XoR_, i set up router with 4 iface - i want get traffic statistic for day,month,year |
| 16:10.17 | curt | apherently I answered my own question with a question :) |
| 16:11.36 | st0ner | processor : 0 |
| 16:11.36 | st0ner | vendor_id : AuthenticAMD |
| 16:11.36 | st0ner | cpu family : 15 |
| 16:11.36 | st0ner | model : 43 |
| 16:11.36 | st0ner | model name : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+ |
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| 16:12.15 | Kasha | i found ipcad , but cann't compile it , error in flex - i want a soft from apt-repositories |
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| 16:12.31 | yggdrasil_ | hello guys .. got an intersting situation.. i remember that was a cmd to change grubs default boot for a single time ? and the next time it reboots it wold go back to your old default.. i need toboot my box remotely into windows and then when ireboot out of windows need it to go back in to lin... ? |
| 16:12.37 | wols | Kasha: ipac-ng |
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| 16:12.50 | azeem | yggdrasil_: I don't think grub can do that |
| 16:12.54 | azeem | lilo does, though, AFAIK |
| 16:13.01 | yggdrasil_ | mm.. |
| 16:13.02 | yggdrasil_ | damit |
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| 16:13.16 | yggdrasil_ | well maybe ill just have to drive home huh |
| 16:13.19 | BadMan | back for some suggestions.... |
| 16:13.32 | yggdrasil_ | any way to access my ext3 /boot/grub/menu.list from windows ? |
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| 16:13.51 | wols | yggdrasil_: there is a way with grub afaik. but dunno how (a friend needed the feature too) |
| 16:13.54 | BadMan | what is the fastest window manager to run on low end machines, I do mean low end as in p166 with 64mb(128mb swap) |
| 16:14.03 | st0ner | twm |
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| 16:14.11 | kastberg | :) |
| 16:14.12 | yggdrasil_ | fvwm |
| 16:14.13 | kastberg | evilwm? |
| 16:14.15 | wols | ratpoison :) |
| 16:14.16 | daeos | hey niaht |
| 16:14.21 | wdamn | yggdrasil_: a linux live cd? |
| 16:14.31 | yggdrasil_ | huh ? |
| 16:14.34 | yggdrasil_ | oh haha |
| 16:14.38 | wols | BadMan: just use fluxbox or such |
| 16:14.52 | st0ner | BadMan: use twm |
| 16:15.06 | yggdrasil_ | fluxbox generaly runs pretty clean |
| 16:15.12 | yggdrasil_ | i ran it on a p160 32mb |
| 16:15.14 | yggdrasil_ | worked. |
| 16:15.27 | st0ner | twm is smaller |
| 16:15.28 | yggdrasil_ | i think fvwm is absoulutly the lightest one out there |
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| 16:15.31 | phaedral | wols: ratpoison is very nice |
| 16:15.34 | azeem | st0ner: I don't think we should tell people to run twm |
| 16:15.51 | BadMan | ok smaller is a catch too... i have a 2.1gb hdd.... |
| 16:15.55 | st0ner | azeem: why not? this is what he asked for |
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| 16:16.20 | mngrif | yggdrasil_, twm :) |
| 16:16.21 | azeem | st0ner: you made your point once, there's no need to insist on it |
| 16:16.24 | daeos | BadMan go to the local mom and pop shop and buy a 10 or 20GB |
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| 16:16.40 | mammadori | hi all, I saw 2.6.16 bring to us the smp patch, I have a dualcore athlon, there is a way to hot add the second CPU or shall I use the old smp linux flavour? |
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| 16:16.49 | BadMan | daeos: not possible.. IBM thinkpad 760XL i cant even get a 6gb for it... |
| 16:16.50 | yggdrasil_ | oh there is a way with grub just look up grub and bootonce... |
| 16:17.04 | BadMan | if I remove cdrom i could add an extra 2gb |
| 16:17.07 | valdyn | BadMan: that disk isnt a problem |
| 16:17.12 | valdyn | BadMan: large enough |
| 16:17.19 | luite | I have a software raid 1 setup, with / on /dev/md0 (/dev/sda1+/dev/sdb1 in raid 1), and I want to be able to boot when either one of the drives fail. how should I install grub to boot this? |
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| 16:17.43 | BadMan | ok well base installation is done and booting into new system I already have net access (obviously net isntall over wifi) |
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| 16:18.01 | daeos | badman: could get a pcmcia scsi controller and get an external HDD |
| 16:18.25 | BadMan | i was thinking about a that in a usb setup.. I already have the usb device for it... |
| 16:18.27 | mircolei | I've "sr_mod" loaded but can't mount my scsi cdrom, I'm on ETCH from DI-beta2 and am running 2.6.15-686 |
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| 16:18.46 | daeos | badman: or since you have USB, a 60GB external |
| 16:18.58 | BadMan | yeah ... |
| 16:18.59 | daeos | badman: use the interal one for boot |
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| 16:19.29 | yos87 | hi |
| 16:19.36 | mircolei | Is there something I've missed, those drive's where unused the last year's but knoppix approved that they both do work |
| 16:20.00 | BadMan | daeos yeah I think I will do that.. I will just use this install as a means of figuring my hardware, back items up and then do a different install later... |
| 16:20.29 | zophyx_ | can i dist-upgrade from woody to sarge to testing ? |
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| 16:21.07 | plasmoduck_ | How can I stop people d/c'ing me with the hangupping ath0 bug |
| 16:21.17 | plasmoduck_ | in windows it's like s2=255 |
| 16:21.27 | plasmoduck_ | I use a 56k modem |
| 16:21.36 | daeos | ok guys im out, gonna go play Oblivion |
| 16:21.42 | mammadori | Other way: For a dual core, shall I install SMP flavour of linux kernel also with 2.6.16 ? (that should give CPU hotplug) |
| 16:21.44 | Kasha | wols, thanks |
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| 16:22.14 | karma | is there a limit set on the # of connection that can be made in a given time period. I just added a ton of new outlook users and am having odd problems of people being able to connect one minute and not the next. When I /etc/init.d/inetd restart it seems to help. Any ideas |
| 16:22.32 | zophyx_ | hmmm |
| 16:22.39 | Fox | zophyx_: yes you can |
| 16:22.46 | karma | it is qpopper that seems to fail |
| 16:23.07 | chealer | zophyx_: hopefully |
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| 16:23.22 | Fox | karma: can't you use standalone qpopper ? |
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| 16:23.42 | phaedral | uh, how do i check which kernel i have? something in /var/log? |
| 16:23.49 | petemc | uname -a |
| 16:23.54 | phaedral | petemc: thanks |
| 16:23.58 | petemc | np |
| 16:24.02 | karma | Fox: I am not sure... not even sure that is the problem... just odd that they can connect one minute and not the next |
| 16:24.03 | BadMan | phaedral: console/tty uname -r |
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| 16:24.11 | curt | module-assistant says unsupported kernel version when trying to compile tun support. I am using linux-kernel-2.6.15_1 is that supposed to happen? |
| 16:24.15 | gogo_ | how exactly do i make windows the default operating system? |
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| 16:24.22 | dorel | i'd like to create a translation to my lanaguge so i thought i'd edit one of those /usr/share/mythtv/i18n/*.qm files and adjust it but it seems like its binary of some sort... |
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| 16:24.51 | azeem | gogo_: depends on which bootloader you use |
| 16:24.56 | stab | Hi I know Im missing something obvious but why can't I dpkg -r gnumeric? Am I trapped with the whole gnome-office bundle? |
| 16:25.19 | valdyn | stab: apt-get remove gnumeric |
| 16:25.27 | gogo_ | grub |
| 16:25.29 | k31th | anyone know of this webadmin front end like cpanel but free i think its a debian only project |
| 16:25.53 | stab | valdyn, that doesn't work either. keeps telling me gnumeric, gnomemeeting are needed by gnome-office |
| 16:25.57 | stab | isnt that a meta package |
| 16:26.17 | valdyn | stab: hardly, apt-get will remove gnumeric and whatever depends on gnumeric |
| 16:26.39 | stab | which is gnome, gnumeric and gnome-office |
| 16:26.46 | stab | so will i have a wm? |
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| 16:28.16 | hueh | how do i convert a relative path to an absolute path from root? |
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| 16:28.42 | chance2105 | Is there a guide somewhere on how to build a debian package from source using debugging symbols so I can create a backtrace of a crash? |
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| 16:29.20 | Morydd | hello, I'm having trouble setting up a GeForce FX 5500 card. startx seems to run fine with the configuration, but I get nothing on the screen. |
| 16:29.28 | mrec | hmm when I try to ping another IP behind a natbox the box infront of the nat box doesn't get any packet any idea what could be wrong? |
| 16:29.37 | chealer | Morydd: using which driver? |
| 16:29.53 | BadMan | anyone got apt source for xfree86 3.3.6? |
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| 16:30.03 | mrec | tcpdump shows up 192.168.0.5 > 192.168.10.5: icmp 40: echo request seq 29202 |
| 16:30.07 | mrec | (on the natbox) |
| 16:30.27 | mrec | and ip route | grep 192.168.10 shows: |
| 16:30.49 | chance2105 | Or better yet -- *how* do you build a debian package using debugging symbols? It's simple enough to just issue "apt-get -b <packagename>" |
| 16:30.50 | Morydd | chealer: nv |
| 16:31.07 | chealer | Morydd: did you try vesa? |
| 16:31.10 | mrec | 192.168.10.0/24 via 192.168.5.1 dev eth0 |
| 16:31.11 | Morydd | I also have another nvidia card in the machine that works fine with the nv driver. |
| 16:31.17 | srounet | http://sk4ry.free.fr/yoshi-power.htm [Help Yoshi in Alaska] |
| 16:31.20 | Morydd | chealer: have not tried vesa |
| 16:31.23 | nkuttler | hueh: what do you mean? does it start with ~user? |
| 16:31.35 | valdyn | chealer: debian binaries arent sripped, and libraries each have a -dbg version, if you run that program in gdb it will use those librararies i think |
| 16:31.50 | chealer | valdyn: I'm innocent! |
| 16:32.07 | valdyn | chealer: ops |
| 16:32.18 | chealer | Morydd: it would be easier to identify the source of the issue if you tried |
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| 16:32.34 | Morydd | will do |
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| 16:33.16 | hueh | nkuttler: i'm trying to get a parent directory from a directory, eg. /usr/lib/j2sdk/bin/.. -> /usr/lib/j2sdk |
| 16:33.51 | hueh | nkuttler: but really just trying to convert a relative path to an absolute one |
| 16:33.53 | chealer | curt: tun for Linux 2.6? |
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| 16:35.06 | Morydd | chealer: vesa gives me "xf86MapVidMem: Could not mmap framebuffer..." |
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| 16:35.45 | chealer | Morydd: does that mean you're using a framebuffer? |
| 16:36.17 | curt | chealer, yes, i was building it with m-a and it failed. I wonder if the 486 headers need to be 686 so I am getting those to try again. |
| 16:36.22 | nkuttler | hueh: you can probably do that with sed. try #bash |
| 16:36.38 | chealer | curt: that means it involves tun-source? |
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| 16:36.57 | erudified | Does debian have libstdc++ compat libraries? |
| 16:37.03 | curt | chealer, m-a downloaded tun-source |
| 16:37.10 | tarzeau | erudified: they used to, not sure if they still do |
| 16:37.18 | Morydd | chealer: I don't believe so, I see nothing in xorg.conf that disagrees with that either. |
| 16:37.18 | erudified | bin/jikesw: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 |
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| 16:37.24 | chealer | curt: did you check tun-source's package description relative to Linux versions? |
| 16:37.24 | erudified | I'd like to get this to work =) |
| 16:37.36 | erudified | a cursory apt-cache search compat|grep std |
| 16:37.37 | curt | chealer, no, but i will... |
| 16:37.40 | erudified | reveals nothing |
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| 16:38.43 | hueh | nkuttler: yes, i realise i could use sed - i just thought - there must be some way to just convert a relative path to an absolute one - can't think why i can't find it! |
| 16:38.46 | curt | chealer, hehe > Source for TUN/TAP device driver for 2.2.x Kernels |
| 16:39.10 | chealer | Morydd: at least that error message looks Googleable |
| 16:39.43 | k31th | ispconfig is there a deb? |
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| 16:40.16 | Kasha | if my router have transite packets to other net , iptables -t Filter rules can't capture this traffic ? |
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| 16:46.00 | BadMan | anyway tos top apt during dselect of "desktop"? |
| 16:46.23 | chealer | BadMan: what? |
| 16:46.38 | BadMan | as in I changed my mind and dont want to do the 500+mb dl of the "desktop" enviroment during base config |
| 16:46.50 | azeem | what do you want to do instead? |
| 16:47.10 | BadMan | a smaller more maneageable install by selecting the certain packages... |
| 16:47.16 | azeem | use aptitude |
| 16:47.30 | BadMan | ok how do I stop the current apt-get? |
| 16:47.41 | azeem | what does it doß |
| 16:47.41 | JasonF | ctrl+C |
| 16:47.42 | azeem | ? |
| 16:47.42 | chealer | BadMan: Ctrl+C ? note: it's tasksel, not dselect |
| 16:47.43 | azeem | downloading? |
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| 16:47.59 | azeem | eh, just hitting ^c might not be so great |
| 16:47.59 | BadMan | ok I tried ctrl c and it kept going... |
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| 16:48.10 | azeem | BadMan: what does it do currently? |
| 16:48.12 | jnco | hey folks |
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| 16:48.14 | jnco | how goes it |
| 16:48.20 | BadMan | nothing ignores me.. 8( |
| 16:48.26 | jnco | whos in the mood for troubleshooting =) |
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| 16:48.34 | Phlexonance | is there a program capable of resizing a partition? (no not deleting and creating, actually resizing) |
| 16:48.34 | azeem | jnco: anybody |
| 16:48.44 | azeem | Phlexonance: parted can do that |
| 16:48.49 | BadMan | if I shut it off and start back into a tty can i just run dpkg base-config ? |
| 16:48.50 | zophyx_ | pari' |
| 16:48.50 | azeem | Phlexonance: depends on the file system, though |
| 16:48.54 | jnco | anyone run into this: (WW) VMWARE(0): Failed to set up write-combining range |
| 16:48.57 | jnco | for xdm |
| 16:48.58 | azeem | BadMan: run tasksel |
| 16:49.09 | azeem | jnco: it's a warning, no? |
| 16:49.14 | jnco | it fails |
| 16:49.29 | azeem | yes, but it's still a warning? |
| 16:49.38 | Acidz0r | jnco, did you check your xorg.conf? |
| 16:49.39 | azeem | is xdm not starting up? |
| 16:49.59 | yggdrasil_ | i dont suppose theres any way to access my ext3 /boot/grub/menu.lst from windows xp ? |
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| 16:50.03 | BadMan | going to try and bypass it witha reboot nothing is instaleld currently... |
| 16:50.03 | Blokey | is anyone experiencing Azureus failing to start with glibc errors, as in bug 347674? |
| 16:50.20 | Phlexonance | azeem: ext3 |
| 16:50.30 | azeem | Phlexonance: I think parted can do that |
| 16:50.31 | jnco | i did |
| 16:50.32 | jnco | check it |
| 16:50.33 | jnco | but.. |
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| 16:50.38 | azeem | or maybe resize3fs or so |
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| 16:50.42 | Phlexonance | azeem: I'll try that |
| 16:50.46 | jnco | i ran dkpg -configure X11whatever.. |
| 16:50.50 | thingfish | yggdrasil_: explore2fs |
| 16:50.52 | jnco | and ya know |
| 16:50.56 | jnco | seems right |
| 16:51.08 | azeem | jnco: please don't hit enter after every second word you type |
| 16:51.08 | jnco | but keep getting that error, i googled it, seems like allot of people are having that issue |
| 16:51.12 | thingfish | yggdrasil_: it's read-only, though. |
| 16:51.15 | jnco | its a bad habbit i apologize |
| 16:51.18 | azeem | jnco: it's a warning |
| 16:51.27 | azeem | jnco: did you ask vmware? |
| 16:51.47 | Acidz0r | jnco, with vmware tools installed or w/o? |
| 16:51.48 | jnco | well, its a warning but it fails |
| 16:51.51 | jnco | w/o |
| 16:51.55 | azeem | vmware is not included in Debian, people in here might not be able to help you |
| 16:52.02 | azeem | jnco: what fails? |
| 16:52.06 | jnco | the xdm |
| 16:52.09 | azeem | how? |
| 16:52.15 | azeem | X isn't doesn't start? |
| 16:52.15 | jnco | it says.. |
| 16:52.19 | azeem | dude |
| 16:52.22 | azeem | does X start? |
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| 16:52.29 | jnco | This should not happen! fatal server error |
| 16:52.30 | azeem | can you login? |
| 16:52.31 | jnco | exactly |
| 16:52.31 | jnco | no |
| 16:52.35 | jnco | no x doesnt start |
| 16:52.40 | azeem | jnco: ok, then why do you think it is that error? |
| 16:52.55 | azeem | please paste the whole content of Xfree86.log to a pastebin |
| 16:53.00 | joloc | Can somebody help me with a pcmcia wireless card on kernel 2.6.15-1-686... |
| 16:53.01 | jnco | assumption ok |
| 16:53.01 | joloc | I only get "ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth2: link is not ready" on ifup... |
| 16:53.03 | azeem | !paster |
| 16:53.03 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 16:53.08 | jnco | thank you for the help btw |
| 16:53.14 | Acidz0r | jnco, check xorg.conf and make sure you are using vesa driver, check xorg log in /var/log/ too |
| 16:53.14 | dorel | first time for me with qt3-lingsuit |
| 16:53.47 | Kernel-Kris | joloc: what type of card is it |
| 16:54.07 | joloc | Kernel-Kris: SiteCom WL-011, atmel chipset. |
| 16:54.20 | yggdrasil_ | yea theres now way huh |
| 16:54.37 | joloc | The card used to work (2.6.8 or so...) |
| 16:54.56 | joloc | i was using atmelwlandriver from sourceforge earlier |
| 16:55.40 | Kernel-Kris | joloc: what version of the drivers |
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| 16:56.13 | joloc | Kernel-Kris: You mean the kernel modules I am using now, or the atmelwlandriver ones? |
| 16:56.30 | PzkwV | hi, i have a question reguarding sid and /etc/network/if-up.d/zeroconf, i keep getting a 169.254.x address and was wondering where it was comming from. |
| 16:56.41 | Kernel-Kris | atmel drivers.... and did you build them yourself |
| 16:56.41 | jelly-ho | Hi. Which program should I use to exchange places of two partition definition in the mbr? gparted has moved the hidden partition on my laptop from sda2 to sda4 and now the BIOS is too dumb and tries to boot from the wrong partition... |
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| 16:57.20 | Phlexonance | how big should the swap partition be according to the size of ram (1gb) ? |
| 16:57.46 | st0ner | 1 to 1 is not bad |
| 16:57.51 | jelly-ho | Phlexonance: is this a desktop machine? 1:1. |
| 16:58.27 | Phlexonance | jelly-ho: well something like a desktop machine but its running 24/7 |
| 16:58.32 | joloc | Kernel-Kris: I stopped using atmelwlandriver. It was version 3.4.1 (I had to change some code to make it even compile...) |
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| 16:59.20 | joloc | Kernel-Kris: So yes, built myself. |
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| 17:00.00 | joloc | Kernel-Kris: The kernel seems to do much better, hotplug recognises the card exactly and loads modules... But then I get this error. |
| 17:00.14 | jelly-ho | Phlexonance: as long as you're not running extra hungry/leaky software (java servlets come to mind), I think you'll be fine. 2.6 has a decent out-of-memory-killer heuristics should the worst happen. |
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| 17:00.26 | joloc | Kernel-Kris: the "link not ready" message, I mean by error. |
| 17:00.30 | jelly-ho | s/ a// |
| 17:00.53 | Phlexonance | jelly-ho; azureus is running on java so I guess I should take something like 2gb swap? |
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| 17:01.01 | moebius | hi, i'm running a bash script on a remote ssh shell, how can I do to leave this script running without stopping it and close that shell? |
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| 17:01.17 | Fox | moebius: nohup or screen |
| 17:01.17 | tarzeau | moebius: ctrl-z, bg, disown |
| 17:01.19 | fugit | moebius: nohup or screen |
| 17:01.23 | tarzeau | Fox: but he's running it already |
| 17:01.31 | tarzeau | bash has job control |
| 17:01.31 | Fox | then listen to tarzeau |
| 17:01.32 | jelly-ho | Phlexonance: Azureus is bad, but I've never seen it eat that much. I have not left for more than 2-3 days though. |
| 17:01.40 | moebius | tarzeau, i'm going to try this |
| 17:01.47 | tarzeau | moebius: it works |
| 17:02.08 | krion | hum, i'm learning the existence of disown, that's great, thanks |
| 17:02.11 | Fox | tarzeau: sometimes s/i'm running/i want to run/, but you're right this time :) |
| 17:02.18 | julmar | I would like to make a local debian mirror (only i386 arch, without sources). But I'm behind a firewall and I can't change it's configuration. May I use http? Are there any script for my case. |
| 17:02.29 | Phlexonance | jelly-ho: hm, I'll go with 2gb swap now, if its enough and I need space, I can always resize it, right? |
| 17:02.35 | jelly-ho | Phleagor: I say go with 1GB and add a swapfile if you ever come to needing one. |
| 17:02.47 | tarzeau | julmar: who can change the firewall configuration? |
| 17:02.48 | joloc | moebius: something like: ssh HOST "nohup SCRIPT >log 2>errors &" |
| 17:02.54 | pipeline | Phlexonance: Resizing swap is hard. Adding more swap is easy :) |
| 17:02.57 | jelly-ho | Phleagor: as you say, you can always resize it. ;-) |
| 17:03.04 | tarzeau | pipeline: not if it's a swap file |
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| 17:03.10 | julmar | tarzeau, it's not possible (permited) |
| 17:03.19 | tarzeau | julmar: why not? |
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| 17:03.38 | julmar | local rules. I can't break them. |
| 17:03.38 | pipeline | julmar: The apt-mirror script does exactly what you want. Google. |
| 17:03.40 | moebius | tarzeau, ok but i cant close the shell :) |
| 17:03.49 | tarzeau | julmar: your local rules suck |
| 17:04.01 | tarzeau | pipeline: have you ever used it? |
| 17:04.03 | julmar | yes :-) |
| 17:04.06 | tarzeau | moebius: why not? |
| 17:04.24 | julmar | Thaks, pipeline |
| 17:04.34 | jelly-ho | julmar: does your firewall support the http CONNECT keyword? :-) |
| 17:04.54 | pipeline | tarzeau: Used what? |
| 17:05.00 | pipeline | tarzeau: apt-mirror, the shell script? sure :P |
| 17:05.02 | joloc | Kernel-Kris: Any ideas how I can locate the error? The "ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth2: link is not ready" doesn't mean anything to me. |
| 17:05.08 | pipeline | tarzeau: I keep a complete copy of sarge on hand :P |
| 17:05.41 | julmar | jelly-ho: I am behind 2 firewalls (NATs). |
| 17:06.11 | moebius | tarzeau, nevermind, i had to kill the ssh connection with "kill" |
| 17:06.29 | Phlexonance | jelly-ho: hm, how can I resize the system partition |
| 17:06.33 | moebius | it was still showing me some output from the bash script |
| 17:06.33 | jelly-ho | julmar: if you can do CONNECT, you can do ssh (and thus, rsync through ssh). It would be ugly as hell though |
| 17:06.36 | pipeline | joloc: Sure sounds like the link simply isn't ready. As in, it's not up at the layer 2 level. |
| 17:06.47 | pipeline | joloc: i.e. nothing is plugged in, or it's unable to associate with an AP |
| 17:06.59 | moebius | tarzeau, well and now how can I do to re-take control over this script? is it possible? |
| 17:07.20 | julmar | jelly-ho: I will try it! |
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| 17:07.52 | jelly-ho | Phlexonance: Partition Magic ($) or qtparted or gparted. (Be sure to have a working backup.) |
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| 17:08.11 | pipeline | Phlexonance: Shrinking partitions is an operation with high failure rates :P |
| 17:08.14 | abrotman | not much of a backup if it doesn't work :) |
| 17:08.18 | thefish_ | lol |
| 17:08.19 | Phlexonance | jelly-ho: there is partition magic for debian? |
| 17:08.35 | jelly-ho | Phlexonance: no, but it boots from a floppy or cd. |
| 17:08.39 | FoxAFK | bye |
| 17:08.41 | tarzeau | moebius: no |
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| 17:08.47 | tarzeau | moebius: but next time use gnu screen |
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| 17:09.06 | Baner | My lilo conf is containing such lines: boot=/dev/hda root=/dev/hdc3, it is something like mbr on one hard and linux image on another, yep? I need to make it on one hard to remove another from PC thanks |
| 17:09.23 | SonnyBurnett | Hi, my amsn gives this error when tries to play a sound: "sox: Can't open output file '/dev/dsp': Permission denied", why is it failing? |
| 17:09.24 | jelly-ho | Phlexonance: there's this thing called qtparted or gparted. I used gparted's bootable cd a few days ago. However I'm not too happy with the results. |
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| 17:09.37 | tarzeau | SonnyBurnett: does id say you're in audio group? |
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| 17:10.04 | Zta | I'm using pppd to estblish a PPP connection to my GPRS mobile phone. But before I can go "pon", I need to establish a rfcomm0 device to my phone. I'd like this to happen automagiclly, when I type "pon". Is there a nice and flexible way to do this? And preferably also shut down rfcomm0 after pppd exits. |
| 17:10.37 | SonnyBurnett | tarzeau: My user is in the audio group |
| 17:10.52 | tarzeau | SonnyBurnett: since ever or just right now? |
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| 17:11.07 | tarzeau | SonnyBurnett: is some other app using it already? fuser /dev/dsp ? |
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| 17:12.17 | SonnyBurnett | tarzeau, No I dont think so... now just amsn |
| 17:12.21 | tarzeau | does the rc10 of openafs work with 2.6.16 linux? |
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| 17:13.47 | joloc | pipeline: according to iwconfig, it *has* found an access point. |
| 17:13.47 | joloc | pipeline: the "on" LED is green, the "link/activity" LED is dead. |
| 17:13.47 | joloc | pipeline: pccard module reports insertion, pcmcia registers the device, and network driver says "eth2: Atmel at76c50x. Version 0.98. MAC ..." |
| 17:13.47 | joloc | pipeline: looks all great, and then the card just doesn't do anything... |
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| 17:13.58 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 17:13.58 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 17:14.11 | lkj1 | Whenever I try to login, I get an error about no write access to .ICEatuhority or something. It hasn't let me log in properly since I ran vncserver last night. What os going on? |
| 17:14.19 | lkj1 | Now it says ""There was an error setting up inter-process communications for KDE> Could not read network connection list. /home/lkj/.DCOPserver_box_0. Please verify that the "dcopserver" program is running!"" |
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| 17:14.26 | lkj1 | What can I do to fix this? |
| 17:14.32 | lkj1 | For some reason, when I run ls -a in my home directory, .DCOPserver_box_:1 shows up, but no .DCOPserver_box_:0 |
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| 17:14.39 | System- | are these all i need: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ to do a net install? |
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| 17:14.46 | System- | with a floppy disk? |
| 17:15.07 | pipeline | lkj1: KDE doesn't really intend for you to have two desktops open in the same user account :\ |
| 17:15.15 | tarzeau | System-: you can install from cd or network? |
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| 17:15.25 | pipeline | joloc: What does iwconfig have to tell you? |
| 17:15.29 | System- | well the cd drive aint working |
| 17:15.31 | tarzeau | pipeline: wmaker either. gnome? probably not either |
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| 17:15.35 | tarzeau | fvwm2, no problem |
| 17:15.37 | System- | so im trying to no a netinstall |
| 17:15.39 | lkj1 | pipelline: Is there a way to fix this? undo what I did? |
| 17:15.45 | lkj1 | *pipeline |
| 17:15.54 | System- | but need to use floppies to get it to start the net install |
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| 17:17.05 | pipeline | tarzeau: Gnome will allow it, but things act funny. :P |
| 17:17.08 | System- | so are they the floppies i need to start a net install? |
| 17:17.12 | joloc | pipeline: according to iwconfig, it *has* found an access point. |
| 17:17.33 | Baner | My lilo conf is containing such lines: boot=/dev/hda root=/dev/hdc3, it is something like mbr on one hard and linux image on another, yep? I need to make it on one hard to remove another from PC thanks |
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| 17:18.03 | pipeline | joloc: eeesh. Are you using ndiswrapper? |
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| 17:18.07 | joloc | pipeline: /var/log/messages: pccard reports insertion, pcmcia registers device, and network driver says "eth2: Atmel at76c50x. Version 0.98. MAC ..." |
| 17:18.19 | joloc | pipeline: let me see, i don't know this thing... |
| 17:18.32 | System- | so are: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ the right floppies to start a net install? |
| 17:18.48 | pipeline | joloc: Oh, well, you wouldn't be able to accidentally use ndiswrapper. It's a hassle to set up. |
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| 17:18.54 | Estes2 | Hi everyone ! Anyone knows if it's any possible to use bugzilla without authentification ? |
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| 17:19.48 | joloc | pipeline: so it is. not installed. |
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| 17:19.59 | System- | :_( |
| 17:20.04 | Phlexonance | jelly-ho: you are not happy with gparted's results. whys that? |
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| 17:20.29 | L33TrDaNu | what is a good way to determine what process is doing a lot of disk i/o ? |
| 17:20.33 | L33TrDaNu | or network i/o ? |
| 17:20.44 | L33TrDaNu | my load average is way up there, but my cpu/mem usage is hardly getting touched |
| 17:21.08 | isleshocky77 | Hey I want to recursively traverse a file structure using perl or sh, anyone have any prewritten scripts? |
| 17:21.10 | joloc | pipeline: i also installed atmel-firmware after my current kernel complained about not finding firmware. |
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| 17:21.16 | System- | so please tell me someone, are: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ the right floppies to start a net install? |
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| 17:21.30 | pipeline | System-: That looks plausible to me |
| 17:21.40 | jelly-ho | Phlexonance: I'm not sure, but something, either gparted or cfdisk or fdisk, has shuffled my partition numbers around. |
| 17:21.41 | Baner | My lilo conf is containing such lines: boot=/dev/hda root=/dev/hdc3, it is something like mbr on one hard and linux image on another, yep? I need to make it on one hard to remove another from PC thanks |
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| 17:21.43 | Phlexonance | jelly-ho; ah...screw it. I'm making the swap on the data hdd. How can I make sure there is no data loss when resizing the partition (without backupping). I mean is it possible that parted "frees used space" when resizing? |
| 17:21.43 | System- | ok thanks |
| 17:21.44 | pipeline | joloc: Tried rebooting? ;) |
| 17:22.05 | isleshocky77 | basically I want to start at /var/lib/vpopmail/domains/domain.com/user/MailDir/ and at every level run sa-learn --ham directory |
| 17:22.24 | joloc | pipeline: oh yeah, the number of times i have done this. felt like back in those times with a different OS ;-) |
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| 17:23.35 | jelly-ho | Phlexonance: the only sure way is to create a backup. I have been lucky with Partition Magic, and gparted seems nice too (it shrunk my Windows XP ntfs seemingly with no ill effects), but I've heard lossage stories. |
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| 17:24.49 | jelly-ho | Phlexonance: if you have a huge second hdd, you could just dump the current partition with dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/some/where/dump-hda1 and dd it back in case stuff goes wrong. |
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| 17:25.13 | HPS`Fresh | - . ? |
| 17:25.21 | joloc | pipeline: this card has been a major source of annoyance ever since it first touched my pcmcia port with its dirty pins. |
| 17:25.23 | chance2105 | Aighty -- I have a laptop that gets its intarweb through my workstation .. workstation is masquerading that connection. The laptop is having issues loading about every other page. Whhere should I be looking here for issues |
| 17:25.26 | azeem | HPS`Fresh: please write in english |
| 17:25.34 | Phlexonance | jelly-ho: hm can I dd back with knoppix? |
| 17:25.38 | HPS`Fresh | soorry %) |
| 17:25.43 | jelly-ho | Phlexonance: yes. |
| 17:25.49 | HPS`Fresh | i just think it`s the other chanel |
| 17:26.10 | chance2105 | Yeah, the desktop is Debian .. my WAN connection is PPPoE. |
| 17:26.27 | mircolei | Is there something I've missed, those drive's where unused the last year's but knoppix approved that they both do work |
| 17:26.30 | Phlexonance | jelly-ho: will it dump the whole disk or just the used space? cuz I aint got that much space on the second |
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| 17:27.06 | jelly-ho | Phlexonance: dd will dump the whole partition, it just copies blocks. |
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| 17:27.53 | chance2105 | I'm thinking this is a MTU issue. I let PPPoE configure everything, and it stated it set things to 1452, so I'm not sure where the issue is at. |
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| 17:28.35 | jelly-ho | Phlexonance: if the second partition is a decent unix filesystem (not vfat), you can just cp -ax everything to a directory on the second partition. |
| 17:29.00 | Phlexonance | jelly-ho: isnt there something like swap files on linux? (instead of a partition) |
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| 17:29.11 | jelly-ho | Phlexonance: yes there is. |
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| 17:29.25 | Phlexonance | jelly-ho: is there a downside to swap files instead of swap partition? |
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| 17:30.13 | jelly-ho | Phlexonance: the partition is mostly historical. There were some performance issues with swap files before, I think that's been solved in 2.4 or 2.6. |
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| 17:30.38 | Phlexonance | jelly-ho: great news. how can I create a swap file? |
| 17:30.53 | sepski | Phlexonance, some history http://zgp.org/linux-elitists/20031106120106.GA23650@guildenstern.dyndns.org.html |
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| 17:31.40 | lex | Heyas guys... anyone here can get to slashdot? |
| 17:31.48 | lex | Cause ... i see it closed |
| 17:31.51 | jelly-ho | Phlexonance: just create a huge empty file. Something like dd if=/dev/zero of=/mnt/swapfile bs=1048576 count=1024 will make a 1GB zero-filled file. |
| 17:31.52 | Phlexonance | sepski: thanks |
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| 17:33.12 | Phlexonance | jelly-ho: and /dev/zero or /mnt/swapfile is automatically recognized as swap? |
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| 17:33.55 | azeem | lex: don't do this |
| 17:33.58 | lex | Agh |
| 17:34.11 | lex | That was stupid |
| 17:34.26 | jelly-ho | Phlexonance: nope. |
| 17:34.34 | deeptz | i am installing sarge on aci laptop the screen goes bizzarre in the initial screen and is totally distorted |
| 17:34.36 | deeptz | ??? |
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| 17:35.21 | dusty- | Hey guys im running debian unstable (Sid). I installed samba, configured it, set my users password.. then logged onto the share via windows, tried to create a directory in the main shared folder (/mnt/fileserver/laptop-backup) and it said Access Denied.. any ideas why? I have given the share 0755 and 0755 perms also made it writeable..? |
| 17:36.11 | unstable | no |
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| 17:36.24 | dusty- | ? |
| 17:36.45 | jelly-ho | Phlexonance: dd copies blocks from input to output. /dev/zero is a logical device with an infinite hold of zero bytes. /mnt/swapfile is an arbitrary file name. afterwards, you have to do mkswap on the file, put it in /etc/fstab to activate on next boot, and do swapon to activate it right away. |
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| 17:37.06 | jelly-ho | Phlexonance: dd is just used to create the huge file. |
| 17:37.17 | lex | Can anyone here get to slashdot? |
| 17:37.31 | madroach | Hi, after I forked a new login session using openvt -u and terminating it by a normal exit, the who command still shows those logins. Why? |
| 17:37.37 | sepski | lex: you mean if we wanted to ? |
| 17:37.49 | sepski | lex: yes |
| 17:37.58 | Phlexonance | jelly-ho: ok, thanks a lot for the help. If I want to make it 2GB, do I have to raise the "bs" parameter or the "count" parameter? |
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| 17:38.12 | lex | sepski, thanks |
| 17:38.35 | jelly-ho | Phlexonance: doesn't matter. |
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| 17:39.24 | madroach | Phlexonance: Choose a reasonable bs like 1M and then increase the count. dd consumes bs size memory. |
| 17:40.02 | Phlexonance | madroach: ok thx |
| 17:40.06 | jelly-ho | Phlexonance: bs is "block size", count is ...well, how many blocks. A small bs will result in dd eating more CPU. |
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| 17:45.22 | Phlexonance | jelly-ho: would "/mnt/swapfile /mnt/swapfile swap defailts 0 3" be a correct entry for /etc/fstab? |
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| 17:46.51 | Phlexonance | jelly-ho: better "/mnt/swapfile /mnt/swapfile swap defaults 0 2" |
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| 17:48.57 | Wiese | Have a problem with my mail-server, don't know where the problem is, but when i login i have to use my password(before encrypt) and when i have to send a message i have to use the Encrypted password.. |
| 17:49.00 | mz_work | how to enable user to mount -o loop file.iso w/out an fstab entry? |
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| 17:49.47 | sepski | mz_work, one option is adding that command to a sudoers list |
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| 17:51.09 | ongeboren | Am I the only one not able to load the keyboard indicator applet in gnome ? I therefore cannot type in something else but latin. The error says: The panel encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID:GNOME_KeyboardApplet". |
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| 17:51.56 | mz_work | sepski: hmm good idea tx |
| 17:52.00 | Wiese | Any know anything about the problem ? |
| 17:52.45 | Phlexonance | how can I see if my hdds are using DMA ? |
| 17:52.58 | mz_work | Phlexonance: hdparm |
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| 17:53.32 | zverj | hello. does anyone had installed DMX? |
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| 17:54.10 | FrekoDing | hi |
| 17:54.17 | zverj | hi |
| 17:54.22 | FrekoDing | i 've problem with daily etch netinstall |
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| 17:54.38 | FrekoDing | i try to install the last 3rd image |
| 17:54.39 | FrekoDing | same error |
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| 17:54.59 | FrekoDing | impossible to select what packages i want install ! |
| 17:55.11 | Phlexonance | mz_work: hat to install that one =) thanks |
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| 17:55.33 | FrekoDing | anyone have this bug ? |
| 17:55.37 | Juerd | I do |
| 17:55.43 | FrekoDing | yes |
| 17:55.52 | Juerd | Oh, no, I don't. I have different bugs. |
| 17:55.55 | Juerd | Want to trade? |
| 17:56.00 | FrekoDing | lol |
| 17:56.05 | FrekoDing | why not ! |
| 17:56.06 | mz_work | bug swapping? |
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| 17:57.00 | dusty- | Hey guys im running debian unstable (Sid). I installed samba, configured it, set my users password.. then logged onto the share via windows, tried to create a directory in the main shared folder (/mnt/fileserver/laptop-backup) and it said Access Denied.. any ideas why? I have given the share 0755 and 0755 perms also made it writeable..? |
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| 17:57.37 | zverj | dusty-, write list = user |
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| 17:58.44 | portamente | hello |
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| 18:00.48 | amee2k | hi all |
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| 18:01.08 | portamente | amee2k: hi |
| 18:01.31 | amee2k | i'm looking for a small, fast, low footprint http server with ssl support. |
| 18:01.34 | amee2k | any suggestions? |
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| 18:02.01 | portamente | apache |
| 18:02.28 | portamente | su>apt-get>apache2 |
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| 18:02.37 | portamente | gotto be root |
| 18:02.39 | dusty- | zverj, so it would be write list = dusty> |
| 18:02.41 | dusty- | ? |
| 18:03.21 | amee2k | 1.3 would be an option maybe but i didn't expierience apache2 as a very 'low footprint' solution |
| 18:03.28 | portamente | if you fun it non-gui it won't drag the ram down |
| 18:04.21 | amee2k | it's gonna be a virtual server, that's why i'm this much worried about footprint |
| 18:04.38 | amee2k | all my servers run headless, so gui-less |
| 18:04.44 | portamente | ok |
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| 18:05.01 | amee2k | it's the first time i deal with virtual servers |
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| 18:05.46 | portamente | try cfengine |
| 18:05.57 | portamente | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/225 |
| 18:06.09 | zverj | dusty-, right |
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| 18:07.40 | jelly-ho | Phlexonance: /path/to/file-or-device none swap sw 0 0 |
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| 18:08.29 | fugit | amee2k: webfs for static with ssl |
| 18:08.50 | amee2k | hm.... interresting but i'd rather prefer independant setups because they'll be delegated to different persons who will want to do their own stuff on it |
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| 18:10.05 | amee2k | fugit: this one doesn't support ssl afaics |
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| 18:10.30 | fugit | amee2k: sorry just gonig by there website: http://linux.bytesex.org/misc/webfs.html |
| 18:10.51 | fugit | amee2k: Recent versions also got limited CGI support (GET requests only) and optional SSL support. |
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| 18:11.15 | cyb0rg | I can't seem to find the documentation which treats the topic of how to make a cirtain service (i.e. sshd) being brought up on start-up. Could someone point me to an URL ? |
| 18:11.36 | amee2k | hm... the ssl part is missing in the apt package describtion |
| 18:11.53 | amee2k | thank you |
| 18:11.57 | fugit | amee2k: site said it was a recent addition, might be missing in stable listing |
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| 18:12.33 | amee2k | think i'll evaluate apache/1.3 and this one against each other |
| 18:12.49 | portamente | amee2k: get CCNA |
| 18:13.25 | mz_work | cyb0rg: man rcconf |
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| 18:14.00 | mz_work | cyb0rg: or man update-rc.d |
| 18:14.16 | cyb0rg | thanks |
| 18:14.31 | fugit | cyb0rg: here is a link http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/28 plus check with google |
| 18:14.42 | Phlexonance | jelly-ho: thanks |
| 18:15.42 | mz_work | i love that debian-administration.org site |
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| 18:15.51 | amee2k | mz_work: '`CCNA' |
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| 18:15.56 | amee2k | ? |
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| 18:16.39 | abrotman | cyb0rg: which service in particular? |
| 18:16.53 | cyb0rg | abrotman: why does it matter? |
| 18:16.54 | abrotman | cyb0rg: different services have different ways |
| 18:17.10 | cyb0rg | could you give me an example ? |
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| 18:17.25 | abrotman | cyb0rg: in general .. update-rc.d .. but for ssh .. dpkg-reconfigure ssh |
| 18:17.27 | jelly-ho | amee2k: what about lighttpd? |
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| 18:17.45 | abrotman | cyb0rg: there are others also .. but update-rc.d can be used for most .. though some are run from inetd etc ... |
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| 18:18.17 | abrotman | cyb0rg: kind of make sense? |
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| 18:18.37 | jelly-ho | amee2k: I haven't tried it, but the name suggests lightweightedness(?) and it appears to be linked with libssl... |
| 18:18.58 | cyb0rg | kind of |
| 18:19.05 | cyb0rg | but I don't run inetd-related |
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| 18:19.12 | abrotman | cyb0rg: at all? |
| 18:19.14 | cyb0rg | so those don't concirn me |
| 18:19.29 | cyb0rg | at all |
| 18:19.35 | jelly-ho | abrotman: either jelly, FollowMe, FallOnMe or burekana. Whatever's available. |
| 18:19.42 | fando | hey does anyone else's firefox on sid crash when loading sourceforge.net? I have this build: Debian/1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.1-3 Firefox/1.5.0.1 |
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| 18:20.14 | abrotman | fando: FF crashes a lot .. check the bts |
| 18:20.15 | portamente | i benn to firefox on kanotix which is based on sid. i had no problems |
| 18:20.28 | portamente | sourceforge, hmm |
| 18:20.55 | fando | yeah it was working before my last update, oh well I'll just wait and use another browser in the meanwhile :) |
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| 18:21.15 | portamente | knoquerer works :>) |
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| 18:23.50 | mz_work | knoquerer heheh i like the new name |
| 18:23.58 | portamente | its better than internet exploder |
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| 18:24.58 | mz_work | portamente: a stone tablet & chisel is better (and renders faster) than exploder |
| 18:25.01 | fontp | odd question... can somebody point me to somewhere where I can get the source for ifconfig ? |
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| 18:25.45 | tim__ | apt-get source net-tools |
| 18:26.28 | portamente | fontp: http://www.codeproject.com/internet/ |
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| 18:26.39 | portamente | its where i learned a lot |
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| 18:29.43 | emm | esto q es? |
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| 18:30.12 | fontp | port: thanks. I just primarily need to change the output of ifconfig a bit |
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| 18:30.43 | emm | hola! |
| 18:30.58 | abrotman | !es |
| 18:30.58 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 18:32.23 | emm | que es esto? |
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| 18:32.39 | cybermech | hi |
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| 18:34.05 | abrotman | emm_: /join #debian-es |
| 18:34.12 | emm_ | hola |
| 18:34.20 | emm_ | alguien me ayuda? |
| 18:34.24 | emm_ | porfi |
| 18:34.34 | abrotman | !es |
| 18:34.34 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 18:34.38 | cybermech | quick question ;-) when i start my debian server where is eth0 brought up ? i cant find an ifconfig commandt in ay of the rc2,d scripts ? |
| 18:34.41 | abrotman | emm_: va a #debian-es |
| 18:34.46 | abrotman | emm_: /join #debian-es |
| 18:34.55 | abrotman | my spanish .. sucks! :) |
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| 18:35.02 | emm_ | abrotman: espera ayudame |
| 18:35.09 | abrotman | ? |
| 18:35.11 | Kanon | spanish rulz |
| 18:35.13 | Kanon | :D |
| 18:35.14 | emm_ | que es la primera vez q me meto y de estono entiendo |
| 18:35.15 | dieg | emm_ entra en #debian-es y pregunta allí |
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| 18:35.24 | fontp | cubermatch: vi /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 18:35.26 | dieg | emm_: pon /join #debian-es |
| 18:35.27 | fugit | cybermech: networking |
| 18:35.28 | portamente | mi habla no mucho |
| 18:35.42 | VulpesFoxnik | Is there any way to erase the current UDEV configuration? I'm getting depreciation errors up the wazoo |
| 18:35.52 | cybermech | fontp: thanks |
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| 18:36.00 | fontp | you're welcome |
| 18:37.58 | emm_ | esto q es? |
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| 18:40.45 | flawd | I installed xchat 2.6.1 sarge backport. Now using it with icewm. Taskbar flashing doesnt work. Anyone else experienced this? |
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| 18:42.29 | smhar | I installed aspell using aptitude but how to enable it in kde so it will check all my text spelling? |
| 18:42.30 | carbon60 | Can anyone give an opinion on whether to use bind9 or PowerDNS for an authoritative-only nameserver? |
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| 18:44.39 | cyb0rg | What exactly do I have to install (via apt-get) to get a minimalistic X.org ? |
| 18:45.36 | Coweater | x-window-system-core |
| 18:45.38 | vin` | x-window-system-core |
| 18:45.48 | cyb0rg | hm .. that's kind of an odd name |
| 18:46.10 | cyb0rg | thanks |
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| 18:46.29 | cyb0rg | it seems no need a lot of packages |
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| 18:46.46 | Coweater | X is big |
| 18:47.11 | cyb0rg | well .. no matter .. I'm building up from a base system installation anyway |
| 18:47.24 | portamente | i use x-windows on old machines. its lighter than the gnome |
| 18:47.37 | cyb0rg | um.. |
| 18:47.38 | priscila | portamente: do you use twm? ;) |
| 18:47.48 | cyb0rg | gnome depends on X.org, doesn't it ? |
| 18:47.50 | cyb0rg | err |
| 18:47.51 | cyb0rg | X |
| 18:48.01 | smhar | I checked and I also have myspell |
| 18:48.07 | pipeline | portamente: Uh, gnome uses X. |
| 18:48.10 | portamente | its an x base |
| 18:48.18 | priscila | cyb0rg: without xorg or xfree gnome is nothing |
| 18:48.19 | cyb0rg | is there a file containing a list of installed packages ? |
| 18:48.33 | js_ | cyb0rg: dpkg -l |
| 18:48.33 | Aronofsky | i was wonderin , is there any xine player for kde on debian testing official mirrors ? |
| 18:48.34 | cyb0rg | yes I know .. portamente doesn't seem to |
| 18:48.42 | cyb0rg | thanks js_ |
| 18:48.46 | js_ | cyb0rg: dpkg -l | grep ^ii # actually |
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| 18:49.12 | portamente | i tried apt-get with xine, couldn't find it |
| 18:49.26 | portamente | may need other repositries |
| 18:49.29 | cyb0rg | hm .. if I install package <X> which depends on <Y>, <Z>, <Q>, and then decide to remove <X>. is there a way to remove all it's now unused dependencies ? |
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| 18:50.04 | portamente | install it again and make a list of dependancies in the shell |
| 18:50.15 | jelly-ho | cyb0rg: use aptitude to install it in the first place. |
| 18:50.17 | Coweater | deborphan will get some of it |
| 18:50.17 | portamente | then remove 1 by one. |
| 18:50.36 | jelly-ho | cyb0rg: alternatives: debfoster, deborphan. |
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| 18:51.14 | jelly-ho | debfoster is nice, but the first run will take you some hours of picking through the installed packages. |
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| 18:51.24 | cyb0rg | :-S |
| 18:51.24 | portamente | you may want to keep some dependancies though. other apps can use them |
| 18:51.48 | cyb0rg | hm .. I think I'd rather use apt-get :-/ |
| 18:52.23 | jelly-ho | cyb0rg: nice thing about aptitude's command line is that is can be used in place of apt-get. mostly. |
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| 18:52.54 | portamente | anybody tried synaptic? |
| 18:53.07 | cyb0rg | one more thing .. does Debian have a handbook or anything similar ? |
| 18:53.23 | fugit | portamente: not very long prefer the command line |
| 18:53.27 | cyb0rg | the documentation on the debian site seems to be split in user manuals and howtos |
| 18:54.08 | fugit | cyb0rg: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/debian/chapter/book/ free book on line |
| 18:54.12 | portamente | http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://debian.co.jp/node/25&pr |
| 18:54.25 | portamente | its in chinese originally |
| 18:54.49 | portamente | excuse me-Japanese |
| 18:54.55 | Ronin | or you could use the url fugit pasted |
| 18:56.10 | Aronofsky | actually im on kde and im looking for a good video player ton get from official apt mirrors but i really dont find anything ? |
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| 18:56.55 | portamente | well im getting busy right now. gotto get totem player plugin working. |
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| 18:57.13 | fugit | Aronofsky: kaffeine |
| 18:57.28 | Aronofsky | fugit, its not on testing |
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| 18:57.54 | SonnyBurnett | Hello People my amsn gives this error when tries to play any sound: "sox: Can't open output file '/dev/dsp': Permission denied"... I realize that I dont have a "/dev/dsp" hjow can I restore it? |
| 18:58.41 | cyb0rg | I just have to say .. Debian seems faster than any distribution I've ever used before |
| 18:58.46 | fugit | Aronofsky: apt-cache search kaff |
| 18:59.04 | Aronofsky | fugit, its not , already checked it |
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| 18:59.34 | fugit | Aronofsky: something funky going on with your apt, im running etch on my laptop and its listed |
| 18:59.52 | fugit | Aronofsky: try apt-get update |
| 18:59.55 | katodas | Hi, when i install ubuntu ican't connect to the internet, the problem is the provider uses an adsl-pppoe connection, which uses a service tag, i can't find anything in the docs about service tags :-/ pppoeconf also doesn't seem to help on this. |
| 18:59.57 | karma | I have a new server with a lot of outlook users on it and when they all try to connect is seems that it someone messes up inetd or something... is there a limit set somewhere for the # of connects per minute or something? |
| 19:00.11 | dondelelcaro | katodas: unfortunatly, we can't help you with ubuntu. Try asking #ubuntu |
| 19:00.19 | Aronofsky | fugit, yeah kaff is ( dont know what it is btw ) but kaffeine is not |
| 19:00.29 | katodas | :-/ |
| 19:00.32 | jelly-ho | Wednesday? |
| 19:00.33 | katodas | i am. |
| 19:00.57 | Aronofsky | fugit, actually kaff is a java virtual machine ... not really what im looking for , lol |
| 19:01.06 | fugit | Aronofsky: I was just being lazy kaffeine* is listed |
| 19:01.35 | Aronofsky | fugit, no its not , not on testing repo |
| 19:01.50 | fugit | Aronofsky: what is in your source.list? |
| 19:02.08 | Aronofsky | fugit : deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
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| 19:03.26 | fugit | Aronofsky: I stand corrected :-) I dropped unstable in for some junk and just check debian packages |
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| 19:04.06 | akin_to | hi |
| 19:04.19 | fugit | Aronofsky: xine is listed :-) |
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| 19:04.52 | Aronofsky | fugit, only gxine wich is a gnome app |
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| 19:05.02 | Aalborg | I'm trying to get debian to burn it on a single dvd... I saved a debian-31r1-i386-binary-1-.iso file to my home dirrectory, and opened it with BitTorrent, -but it's not starting to download... -can someone help me out here? |
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| 19:05.16 | Aalborg | what do I have to do to get debian? |
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| 19:05.45 | sepski | !d-i |
| 19:05.45 | Aronofsky | Aalborg, download ans install it |
| 19:05.46 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. |
| 19:05.56 | tarzeau | abrotman: heh i found a few more games |
| 19:05.57 | fugit | Aronofsky: totem-xine yet another gnome app |
| 19:06.01 | tarzeau | abrotman: and they are SO FUNNY! |
| 19:06.11 | Aalborg | Aronofsky: .... |
| 19:06.17 | abrotman | tarzeau: i tried to compile wired to package it .. it barfs :( |
| 19:06.30 | tarzeau | abrotman: have you applied for DD yet? |
| 19:06.36 | Aronofsky | Aalborg, what else to say ... |
| 19:06.41 | RvGaTe | good evening all |
| 19:07.00 | tarzeau | RvGaTe: no, good evening everybody |
| 19:07.04 | daeos | niaht you around? |
| 19:07.23 | RvGaTe | tarzeau: sorry..... good evening everybody |
| 19:07.37 | tarzeau | daeos: you want to check with /wii niaht |
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| 19:07.54 | RvGaTe | this week my boss gave me the worst job ever |
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| 19:08.24 | tarzeau | RvGaTe: help her wife? |
| 19:08.28 | RvGaTe | i had to install a windows server... to be used with our hosting package... :puke: :puke: |
| 19:08.29 | tarzeau | s,her,his, |
| 19:08.44 | tarzeau | RvGaTe: that's not so bad, and off topic here -> ##windows |
| 19:08.57 | RvGaTe | the thing is... |
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| 19:09.08 | RvGaTe | i convinced him to get a linux server |
| 19:09.11 | bipolar | Can anyone point me to a tool that will convert samba's smbpasswd file to LDIF for importing into OpenLDAP? I've been searching all morning with no luck. |
| 19:09.22 | tarzeau | RvGaTe: to do what? |
| 19:09.32 | RvGaTe | webhosting :) |
| 19:09.35 | tarzeau | bipolar: tried #samba yet? |
| 19:09.39 | tarzeau | RvGaTe: well done |
| 19:09.45 | bipolar | tarzeau: yep. no answers |
| 19:09.52 | bipolar | tarzeau: and #ldap |
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| 19:10.17 | tarzeau | bipolar: then ask again in 8 hours? |
| 19:10.34 | karma | i need some help find where the limits are set for the # of logins allowed per minute. I have a ton of outlook users and during peek time something breaks and they can not login... until i reset inetd |
| 19:10.39 | bipolar | tarzeau: I don't have 8 hours anymore.... and I asked 12 hours ago. :\ |
| 19:10.42 | max | anyone up for a discussion/debate about stable vs. testing branch? i have been running testing for a very long time and i am starting to wonder if i should go stable ... any thoughts? |
| 19:10.42 | Aalborg | Why can't my BitTorrent find a debian to install? gosh |
| 19:10.58 | tarzeau | bipolar: bad luck then. start writing the tool yourself already |
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| 19:11.11 | tarzeau | max: if you want to reinstall |
| 19:11.14 | tarzeau | max: or try sid |
| 19:11.28 | tarzeau | Aalborg: why not pick it from http/ftp ? |
| 19:11.29 | bipolar | tarzeau: I *know* something exists. I used it a couple years ago on another install. |
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| 19:11.35 | bipolar | tarzeau: but it's gone now. |
| 19:11.43 | tarzeau | bipolar: pity you don't have a copy of it anymore |
| 19:12.02 | bipolar | tarzeau: it probbly wouldn't work in that form. it was samba 2.x |
| 19:12.14 | tarzeau | bipolar: next time take better care of the gems you find, like bless them, stash them, and engrave Elbereth around the stash |
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| 19:12.37 | tarzeau | bipolar: if i were you, i'd go play nethack and then out for a few beer and then to bed |
| 19:13.04 | bipolar | tarzeau: Sorry... I have work to do. this is a company server. it's gotta work. |
| 19:13.16 | izzyb | tarzeau, lol :) |
| 19:13.28 | max | tarzeau: well, i have tried sid and it was just slightly too unstable for my taste and the only reason i am thinking of going stabel branch is because i have reciently been having Xscreensaver issues and i didn't know if that was just the package since it came from testing or it is just my machine ... the desktop is old, a p3 and i just do software development and basic web stuff on it, i'm a computer science major in college and too broke to buy anything newer, |
| 19:13.33 | tarzeau | bipolar: or what happens? |
| 19:13.34 | bipolar | the entire project is being held up becouse of this silly thing. |
| 19:13.36 | fugit | max: server i go stable, home desktop stable+backports, work desktop unstable |
| 19:13.48 | bipolar | tarzeau: you have a job? |
| 19:13.51 | tarzeau | bipolar: yes |
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| 19:13.56 | bipolar | tarzeau: then you already know |
| 19:14.03 | cybermech | bye all |
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| 19:14.20 | Aalborg | what's the difference betvin 3.1_r0a and 3.1_r1? |
| 19:14.21 | max | fugit: yeah, my server has stable on it and it will ALWAYS run stable because its so damn solid, but i from there always kept my desktop testing, and i wasn't sure if that was wise or not |
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| 19:14.51 | tarzeau | Aalborg: security updates |
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| 19:15.09 | fugit | max: at work i installed apt-listbugs for my unstable box. I can't be bothered at home, so use stable+backports |
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| 19:15.47 | max | fugit: yeah, i read a little on backports reciently, it seems like a viable option |
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| 19:16.31 | fugit | max: apt-listbugs works nice for unstable nicely as well. If you really don't want any downtime stick with stable |
| 19:16.54 | dorel | how would i go about fixing automounting of cdrom? |
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| 19:16.58 | tarzeau | abrotman: you're not even slightly keen on finding out which games i found? |
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| 19:17.09 | tarzeau | dorel: using supermount? |
| 19:17.16 | fugit | max: just don't ignore apt-listbugs if that is the route you go, ive lost kde for a couple weeks :-P |
| 19:17.17 | kronoz | are there any programs specifaly for playing radio feeds? |
| 19:17.25 | tarzeau | kronoz: yes |
| 19:17.25 | max | well my server runs stable and in a year and a half since it has been up i have had 0 down time, but i don't think downtime would be an issue for a desktop which is why i was thinking of sticking with testing |
| 19:17.31 | dorel | tarzeau: a sec, im reading about it :P |
| 19:17.32 | max | fugit: ^ |
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| 19:17.56 | kronoz | tarzeau: which are? |
| 19:18.13 | tarzeau | kronoz: i forgot the name, use apt-cache search |
| 19:18.36 | Gandalfar | tarzeau: hello! :) |
| 19:18.40 | abrotman | tarzeau: no .. but Maulkin wants me to try to do it too |
| 19:18.42 | abrotman | tarzeau: yell me! |
| 19:18.44 | abrotman | tell |
| 19:18.53 | Gandalfar | tarzeau: are you familiar with cdbs? |
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| 19:19.25 | tarzeau | Gandalfar: teh .sk morphix Gandalfar ? |
| 19:19.40 | tarzeau | Gandalfar: nope i'm not |
| 19:19.43 | Gandalfar | tarzeau: not .sk but .si :) |
| 19:19.47 | tarzeau | abrotman: one is spout, the other super maryo chronicles |
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| 19:19.57 | tarzeau | Gandalfar: how are you? |
| 19:20.07 | Gandalfar | tarzeau: very good :) |
| 19:20.10 | abrotman | tarzeau: urls? |
| 19:20.13 | Aronofsky | id like to know , what is according to you the best xine player today ? |
| 19:20.30 | Gandalfar | tarzeau: I'm just converting cinelerra to cdbs, so I can make nicer builds |
| 19:20.33 | hans0lo | How would I go about preventing error messages from displaying on the console? (I just want it in the log) |
| 19:20.46 | abrotman | for iptables? |
| 19:21.04 | tarzeau | abrotman: http://www.secretmaryo.org/ |
| 19:21.14 | tarzeau | Gandalfar: from debhelper? |
| 19:21.20 | tarzeau | abrotman: http://www.softgames.de/developia/viewproject.php?cid=13148 |
| 19:21.24 | Gandalfar | tarzeau: yea |
| 19:21.39 | tarzeau | Gandalfar: you should be slapped. what's not good with debhelper? |
| 19:21.42 | abrotman | tarzeau: maryo uses sprites! |
| 19:21.46 | tarzeau | Gandalfar: :) rather fix morphix |
| 19:21.50 | tarzeau | abrotman: so? |
| 19:22.00 | azeem | cdbs uses debhelper as well |
| 19:22.01 | Gandalfar | tarzeau: hmm, maybe |
| 19:22.04 | abrotman | tarzeau: i can't read german |
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| 19:22.13 | tarzeau | abrotman: spout is so the killer low-res retro black and whyte FUN FUN FUN. be drunk! |
| 19:22.19 | abrotman | tarzeau: http://gpspout.72dpiarmy.com/ |
| 19:22.21 | tarzeau | abrotman: who cares, download make, run |
| 19:22.39 | dorel | i tihnk id rather use automount tarzeau |
| 19:22.51 | abrotman | tarzeau: at work! |
| 19:23.00 | abrotman | tarzeau: you need to change timezones! |
| 19:23.06 | tarzeau | abrotman: me? you need to! |
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| 19:23.46 | hans0lo | how do I prevent STDERR from displaying on the console? |
| 19:24.01 | tarzeau | hans0lo: 2>/dev/null |
| 19:24.28 | fugit | hans0lo: some commands have log options or use with tarzeau just posted if you wnat a record just change /dev/null |
| 19:24.28 | hans0lo | tarzeau: ok, what if it's annoying errors from a driver? |
| 19:24.33 | st0ner | i have 2 sata disks of the same type, can i build a software raid0 stripe with them from which i would be able to boot ?? |
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| 19:25.00 | tarzeau | hans0lo: which driver? |
| 19:25.03 | max | st0ner: in theory, yes |
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| 19:25.21 | tarzeau | hans0lo: learn to prevent it displayed to your brain/eyes. by not looking at it |
| 19:25.22 | hans0lo | tarzeau: IDE disk driver is spouting DMA errors. |
| 19:25.32 | tarzeau | hans0lo: what hard disk is that? |
| 19:25.35 | max | st0ner: it can be done, its just a matter of being able to do it |
| 19:25.46 | hans0lo | tarzeau: Western Digital ATA133 |
| 19:26.27 | st0ner | max: my guess was that the bios will not be able to boot from this stripe |
| 19:26.33 | abrotman | tarzeau: hire me! :) |
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| 19:26.47 | tarzeau | abrotman: to do what? |
| 19:26.55 | tarzeau | abrotman: can you cook? |
| 19:27.17 | abrotman | tarzeau: i can |
| 19:27.31 | tarzeau | abrotman: language capabilities? |
| 19:27.56 | max | st0ner: your bios should have the ability to be honest, i would imagine that if nothing else you might just have to flash your bios with an upgrade |
| 19:27.58 | fugit | tarzeau: we just saw some spanish ;-P |
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| 19:28.21 | karma | can someone tell me where to find information on inetd limits. I am having problems with people trying to connect to the server with outlook. When to many happen at once, it fails and I have to /etc/init.d/inetd restart |
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| 19:28.51 | abrotman | tarzeau: i know a lot of curse words! |
| 19:29.13 | st0ner | max: okay i think it's worth a try |
| 19:29.18 | tarzeau | abrotman: that won't get women excited |
| 19:29.38 | RvGaTe | dpkg |
| 19:29.40 | tarzeau | abrotman: can you find me 3 nice girls from www.meinbild.ch |
| 19:29.49 | abrotman | tarzeau: while i'm at work? |
| 19:29.50 | dondelelcaro | karma: if you've got that many people connecting, you really should be running your pop3/imap server standalone, intsead of through inetd. |
| 19:29.51 | max | st0ner: i would honestly just go check the motherboard manufacturer's website, i'm sure there is a pdf document that tells if the bios supports it and if not, i'm sure there is an upgrade out there |
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| 19:29.56 | kingsley | Why would "minicom" say a new serial port had sent a string of four question marks ("????") before issuing a command, and why would the same serial port not indicate anything to "cat" until it received a command, and then keep repsonponding repeatedly with five question marks and the answer ("?????<answer>")? |
| 19:30.08 | tarzeau | abrotman: do it when home. if your taste is ok, i'll think about it |
| 19:30.12 | abrotman | heh ok |
| 19:30.27 | RvGaTe | hmm... ventrilo isn't integrated into the debian apt-get ? |
| 19:30.36 | karma | dondelelcaro: got any info on switching qpopper? |
| 19:30.41 | pipeline | RvGaTe: Ventrilo is closed-source, so if it is, it'll be in non-free. |
| 19:30.42 | tarzeau | RvGaTe: homepage? what does it do? |
| 19:30.55 | tarzeau | RvGaTe: don't bother, i don't want to know anymore |
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| 19:31.14 | dondelelcaro | karma: I'd personally use dovecot... |
| 19:31.16 | RvGaTe | tarzeau: www.ventrilo.com <- :P to late |
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| 19:31.26 | Aalborg | how tf do I download debian from http? I have saved the torrent file to my home dirrectory, and what do I do now? |
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| 19:31.38 | tarzeau | !CD |
| 19:31.38 | dpkg | cd is probably a Compact-Disc, or something that can hold about 650 megs, or a shiny silver thing that glitters, or a good beverage coaster, or change directory |
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| 19:31.59 | tarzeau | Aalborg: http://www.us.debian.org/CD/ |
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| 19:33.13 | Aalborg | tarzeau: that's what I followed... but I can't open the saved file |
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| 19:33.25 | tarzeau | Aalborg: why not? |
| 19:33.33 | tarzeau | Aalborg: is your browser retarded? |
| 19:33.37 | tarzeau | Aalborg: try links2 |
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| 19:33.42 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i would too .. if the dovecot in sarge had sharable folders .. |
| 19:33.53 | Aalborg | no idea... I use bittorrent to open the file, but download never starts |
| 19:33.56 | max | links2 is the sex |
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| 19:34.30 | Aalborg | it's a torrent file |
| 19:34.40 | tarzeau | Aalborg: can you not just download the iso? |
| 19:34.48 | tarzeau | Aalborg: why are you bothering with bittorrent? |
| 19:34.56 | tarzeau | Aalborg: it's like trying to get a nail in with a scissor |
| 19:35.02 | tarzeau | Aalborg: bittorrent is for porno movies |
| 19:35.30 | Ronin | tarzeau: theres porn on the internet? |
| 19:35.39 | Aalborg | because I can't find the freakin iso file, I am a NOOB, but all debian files seem to be torrent |
| 19:35.39 | tarzeau | Ronin: www.thehun.net |
| 19:36.00 | Ronin | tarzeau: heh been there, not even going to bother trying from work though |
| 19:36.19 | tarzeau | Aalborg: http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r1/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r1-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 19:36.24 | tarzeau | Aalborg: can you type curl or wget? |
| 19:36.40 | Aalborg | I'm on mandriva |
| 19:36.54 | tarzeau | Aalborg: and i'm on mushrooms |
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| 19:37.18 | Aalborg | tarzeau: that helped |
| 19:37.20 | Aalborg | tnx |
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| 19:37.44 | xcow | How can I set a default nice-value for user/group processes |
| 19:37.51 | Aalborg | can I burn that iso file on DVD and it will be bootable? |
| 19:37.58 | MindTwister | Good evening people, I wonder if you could help me with a problem here |
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| 19:38.05 | tarzeau | Aalborg: don't you have a cd-r? |
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| 19:38.18 | signature16 | if my mouse is connected through a usb port is it /dev/input/mice? |
| 19:38.21 | tarzeau | xcow: check and |
| 19:38.21 | weasel00 | how do i install phpmyadmin without apt-get removing my phpbb2? |
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| 19:38.32 | MindTwister | I have pcima wifi card of th etopcom Skyr@cer PC Card 3044 but I cant seem to get it to work |
| 19:38.36 | Aalborg | yes tarzeau but I have no cd's here, just one DVD |
| 19:38.43 | tarzeau | Aalborg: you can try |
| 19:38.45 | jvw | weasel00: ... they don't conflict? |
| 19:38.50 | Aalborg | tarzeau: ok |
| 19:39.09 | MindTwister | I installed kwifimanager but it cant find the card |
| 19:39.31 | LSorensen | Aalborg: I have burned cd images on dvd before, and it usually works. I had one machine that would boot from cd but not dvd, but a bios update fixed that problem. |
| 19:39.50 | LSorensen | Aalborg: so it should work fine, if your machine supports booting from dvd drives |
| 19:39.51 | weasel00 | jvw : aparently they do becuase apt-get wants to upgrade php4 to php5; but php5 and phpbb2 are not compatible |
| 19:40.09 | Aalborg | LSorensen: cool, I'll remember that one ;) tak |
| 19:40.14 | jvw | weasel00: oh, you run unstable. Well, that'll be sorted out, I think it was... |
| 19:40.32 | tarzeau | abrotman: DAMN SECRET MARYO CHRONICLES is sooooo cool! |
| 19:40.35 | LSorensen | Aalborg: just burn disc from image, like growisofs -Z /dev/dvd=image.iso |
| 19:40.35 | weasel00 | jvw : thought i was running stable hmm... |
| 19:40.43 | jvw | weasel00: stable doesn't have php5. |
| 19:40.52 | tarzeau | abrotman: greaaat m000sic and nice worldmap LOL |
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| 19:40.59 | jvw | weasel00: and unstable's phpbb works with php5 |
| 19:41.04 | Aalborg | LSorensen: ok |
| 19:41.10 | jvw | weasel00: so... you're doing something funky (gotta go now) |
| 19:41.11 | LSorensen | Aalborg: you might have to finalize it since some dvd drives won't work with less than 1GB to the leadout, in which case use growisofs -Z /dev/dvd=image.iso -dvd-compat |
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| 19:41.33 | weasel00 | jvw : how so? |
| 19:41.55 | weasel00 | hmmmm |
| 19:41.57 | Aalborg | LSorensen: tnx :] |
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| 19:43.47 | GoAuLd | is it secure to have windows living in the same computer as Debian? There could be windows viruses mounting my raiserfs /dev/hda1 and doing something bad ? |
| 19:44.10 | Gandalfar | GoAuLd: that would be a first :) |
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| 19:44.40 | tarzeau | GoAuLd: i have windows xp |
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| 19:44.53 | abrotman | tarzeau: no more drugs! |
| 19:45.04 | kronoz | GoAuLd: Windows cannot and probably will never be aware of linux partitions and therefore cannot thouch them |
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| 19:45.14 | kronoz | *touch |
| 19:45.47 | tarzeau | kronoz: you can read files from ext2/ext3 from windows |
| 19:45.51 | abrotman | !explore2fs |
| 19:45.51 | dpkg | well, explore2fs is a win32 utility that lets you read and write(at your own risk!) ext2 file systems under win9x/nt/2000. URL: http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/ [Ask me about ext2ifs] |
| 19:45.55 | abrotman | kronoz: sure about that? |
| 19:46.06 | abrotman | !prize me |
| 19:46.11 | abrotman | no pony |
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| 19:46.23 | kronoz | it's what i was told by somone on the subject |
| 19:46.25 | knvinh | !ext2ifs |
| 19:46.25 | dpkg | i guess ext2ifs is a Windows NT driver for reading ext2/3 filesystems. http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/ext2ifs.htm |
| 19:46.25 | azeem | !prize me |
| 19:46.29 | azeem | pfft |
| 19:46.32 | Eulex | !extfsd |
| 19:46.36 | Eulex | !ext2fsd |
| 19:47.04 | abrotman | azeem: how many ponies do you need?!?!?! |
| 19:47.11 | Eulex | abrotman, hehe :) |
| 19:47.33 | tarzeau | abrotman: haha |
| 19:48.08 | karma | anyone here use qpopper, and know how to set it up to run as a stand alone? |
| 19:48.27 | Eulex | !ext2fsd |
| 19:48.27 | dpkg | well, ext2fsd is a read-only ext2 file system driver for nt/2k/xp |
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| 19:49.53 | kronoz | well it should be safe as it cannot write to it i suppose |
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| 19:50.47 | Eulex | kronoz, there's a read-write driver somewhere, though I don't remember its name. |
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| 19:53.44 | GoAuLd | !prize me |
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| 19:53.59 | fir3 | fglrx-kernel will eine ltere version von fglrx-driver beim installieren |
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| 19:54.47 | Fawzib | I'm tring to make a debian package for a python application (which is not compiled) but all the samples at Debian are for compiled programs. Does anyone has a link for a debian/rules file for a python program which is just source? |
| 19:54.55 | fir3 | dabei hab ich von kernel-src und -driver jeweils 8.23.7-1 installiert |
| 19:55.13 | weasel00 | !de |
| 19:55.13 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 19:55.19 | dondelelcaro | Fawzib: a lot of them are that way; pretty much any of the modules that just depend on python do that. |
| 19:55.25 | fir3 | oh sry ;) |
| 19:55.36 | weasel00 | fir3 : =) |
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| 19:58.40 | fir3 | i tried to update the fglrx module but it still compiles the old version of the kernel module |
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| 20:00.32 | tarzeau | !badgersmite streuner |
| 20:00.42 | eddy1 | what option of apt-get do I need to set for it not to install recomends? |
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| 20:01.02 | abrotman | apt-get doesn't do that by default |
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| 20:01.26 | clement | j |
| 20:01.31 | clement | ihihbkjnb* |
| 20:01.38 | eddy1 | abrotman: so why does it want to install gpm when trying to get mc? |
| 20:01.46 | abrotman | in sarge? |
| 20:01.54 | clement | hi all people |
| 20:02.03 | eddy1 | abrotman: yes |
| 20:02.10 | abrotman | !depends mc sarge |
| 20:02.15 | dpkg | mc: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.6.0), libgpmg1 (>= 1.19.6-1) |
| 20:02.25 | abrotman | !depends libgpmg1 sarge |
| 20:02.27 | clement | ya des francais ici?? |
| 20:02.29 | dpkg | libgpmg1: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21), libncurses5 (>= 5.4-1) |
| 20:02.30 | abrotman | !fr |
| 20:02.30 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais mais peu ou pas anglais et qui ont besoin d'aide avec Debian peuvent demander sur #debian-fr. People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 20:02.43 | abrotman | eddy1: well .. it's not supposed to .. are you using apt-get or aptitude? |
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| 20:03.11 | eddy1 | abrotman: man, I have to sleep more |
| 20:03.28 | abrotman | eddy1: libgpmg1 suggests gpm |
| 20:03.29 | eddy1 | BTW, what is the name of the option anyway ? |
| 20:03.49 | eddy1 | if I _want_ it to install recomends |
| 20:03.53 | abrotman | eddy1: to make it install suggests/recommends? |
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| 20:04.04 | eddy1 | abrotman: yes |
| 20:04.30 | abrotman | i'm not sure you can with apt-get/dpkg |
| 20:04.32 | eddy1 | I coundn't find anything |
| 20:04.42 | settd | i've installed bittornado, what is the command to execute it? |
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| 20:04.56 | abrotman | settd: dpkg -L bittornado |
| 20:05.14 | ||cw | I was just asked "is Debian posix / i386? On 'normal' i386/posix unix boxes this compiles no problem" is there anything to what guy is saying? |
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| 20:05.39 | abrotman | what are you compiling? |
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| 20:05.51 | ||cw | some custom thing |
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| 20:06.06 | Ronin | settd: man bittorrnade |
| 20:06.11 | abrotman | debian is posix compliant afaik .. it is not a "Unix" .. but it should be posix compliant |
| 20:06.14 | Ronin | oops bittorrnado even |
| 20:06.21 | ||cw | see that's what i though |
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| 20:06.29 | eddy1 | I even took a look in examples, but no avail |
| 20:06.36 | abrotman | ||cw: does it throw a useful error ? |
| 20:06.50 | abrotman | eddy1: man aptitude .. if you're really interested .. |
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| 20:07.45 | abrotman | ||cw: and what is his "normal posix i386" OS ? |
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| 20:08.04 | ||cw | basicaly I've trying to beta test some product that uses another 3rd party lib. when i try to compile with gcc4 it tosses all sorts of errors because it seems the 3rd party lib was compiled with gcc3.3. when i compile with 3.3 it acts like it's still trying to use some 4.0 |
| 20:08.09 | eddy1 | abrotman: thanks |
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| 20:08.25 | gurzo | I can't use wget at work. I know I need ntlm but this is what I get http://pastebin.com/618599 any hints? |
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| 20:08.30 | MonsieurX | bonjour tout le monde |
| 20:08.38 | pipeline | ||cw: Try setting the CC environment variable |
| 20:08.40 | MonsieurX | c'est ici pour le support fr? |
| 20:08.43 | ||cw | abrotman: no idea what the lib was compiled on, but he did mention that he hasn't been able to make freebsd work |
| 20:08.47 | Ronin | !fr |
| 20:08.47 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais mais peu ou pas anglais et qui ont besoin d'aide avec Debian peuvent demander sur #debian-fr. People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 20:08.47 | ||cw | pipeline: I did |
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| 20:09.01 | ||cw | pipeline: it builds and loads but segfaults |
| 20:09.09 | MonsieurX | moi je cherche le support ubuntu |
| 20:09.09 | abrotman | ||cw: so you ahve some compiled blob .. and something else you're supposed to compile ? |
| 20:09.10 | ||cw | and I don't have access to the lib source |
| 20:09.14 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 20:09.15 | dpkg | Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntulinux.org and/or visit #ubuntu, right here on IRC. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
| 20:09.22 | ||cw | yeah, i hate closed source |
| 20:09.24 | Ronin | MonsieurX: /j #ubuntu |
| 20:09.30 | abrotman | or #ubuntu-fr |
| 20:09.36 | MonsieurX | merci beaucoup!!! |
| 20:09.38 | Ronin | is there one? |
| 20:09.43 | MonsieurX | thansk you |
| 20:09.43 | abrotman | probably |
| 20:09.54 | abrotman | Ronin: a very large one apparently |
| 20:09.54 | Ronin | heh so there is |
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| 20:09.59 | jvw | weasel00: as said, you're doing somethign weird if you're running stable, but have php5 |
| 20:10.00 | Ronin | ill say |
| 20:10.10 | jvw | weasel00: running either stable, or unstable, should work |
| 20:10.18 | weasel00 | jvw : never said that i had php5 |
| 20:10.31 | abrotman | ||cw: if you run ldd or strings on it .. anything usefull ? |
| 20:10.44 | weasel00 | jvw : aparently they do becuase apt-get wants to upgrade php4 to php5; but php5 and phpbb2 are not compatible << is what i said =) |
| 20:11.08 | jvw | erm, if apt-get wants to upgrade to php5, you're doing something funky |
| 20:11.26 | jvw | because *there is no php5 in stable* |
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| 20:11.37 | weasel00 | jvw : funky == installing phpmyadmin =) |
| 20:11.42 | gurzo | is there an appropriate channel to ask about nltmaps? it's driving me crazy |
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| 20:13.13 | Yoric | hi |
| 20:13.17 | jvw | weasel00: what does apt say? It should ignore the php5 alternative dependency of phpmyadmin, because as far as apt is concerned, php5 simply does not exist |
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| 20:13.56 | weasel00 | jvw : anyways i just reinstalled phpbb2 and it seems to be working alright. so now im back to figuring out hwo it installed phpmyadmin |
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| 20:14.22 | ||cw | abrotman: debugging is a weak point of mine. I'd prefer they fix it. just wanted to see if this POSIX statement had any weight |
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| 20:14.40 | djfugu4848 | anyone have any sites that detail Fedora Core versus Debian pros/cons? |
| 20:14.58 | abrotman | ||cw: none |
| 20:15.16 | abrotman | ||cw: what is his posix OS ? |
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| 20:16.13 | Yoric | I just bough a Windows-based computer. |
| 20:16.16 | abrotman | sorry |
| 20:16.21 | Yoric | I intend to backup the ghost partition before I install Debian. |
| 20:16.30 | Yoric | This ghost partition is invisible under Windows. |
| 20:16.37 | Yoric | The main partition is ntfs, so I can't write on it. |
| 20:16.47 | abrotman | Yoric: who made it? |
| 20:16.56 | Yoric | If I boot with a LiveCD, I can't burn anything since the drive is occupied. |
| 20:17.05 | Yoric | Made what ? The ghost partition ? |
| 20:17.08 | abrotman | the computer |
| 20:17.09 | ||cw | abrotman: I'll see if i can find out. reviewing my notes I see "from some googling the only reference I'm seeing to these kinds of errors have to do with mixing g++-3.3 and 3.4 (not 4.0), but I don't have any 3.4 packages installed at all." |
| 20:17.10 | Yoric | Dell. |
| 20:17.21 | kingspawn | dell are selling incredibly cheap these days |
| 20:17.22 | abrotman | Yoric: call them .. tell them you want system restore CDs .. |
| 20:17.26 | kingspawn | almost makes we want to get a new computer |
| 20:17.37 | Yoric | abrotman, bought the system restore CDs. |
| 20:17.37 | abrotman | Yoric: if they refuse .. tell them you'll return the system as unsatisfactory |
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| 20:17.44 | abrotman | oh .. then who cares! :) |
| 20:17.47 | Yoric | I actually paid 5£ for that already. |
| 20:17.53 | abrotman | oh .. you got screwed |
| 20:17.57 | abrotman | !praise IBM |
| 20:17.57 | kingspawn | mheh |
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| 20:18.02 | Yoric | Well, that's only 5£. |
| 20:18.10 | tarzeau | abrotman: bah |
| 20:18.17 | Yoric | Less than the mouse. |
| 20:18.17 | abrotman | tarzeau: playing with sheep again? |
| 20:18.21 | kingspawn | Yoric: what is this ghost partition? |
| 20:18.28 | Yoric | So you think everything is on the restore cd ? |
| 20:18.29 | tarzeau | abrotman: i just don't like ibm |
| 20:18.33 | Yoric | kingspawn, I have no clue what's on it. |
| 20:18.37 | abrotman | kingspawn: iirc .. it's the system restore partition |
| 20:18.38 | djfugu4848 | anyone ever installed Debian on IBM xSeriesServer or Netfinity? |
| 20:18.48 | Yoric | tarzeau, I mean, there's a 2Gb ghost image. |
| 20:18.48 | Coweater | !anyone |
| 20:18.48 | djfugu4848 | seems like IBM prefers Fedora, thats why I ask. |
| 20:18.48 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 20:18.49 | abrotman | kingspawn: or . it's that stupid Windows Restore crap |
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| 20:18.58 | kingspawn | Yoric: i would think everything is on the restore cds, yea |
| 20:19.02 | abrotman | djfugu4848: i have a few here running debian |
| 20:19.07 | kingspawn | abrotman: i hate those partitions :) |
| 20:19.07 | Yoric | Okay, let's chance it. |
| 20:19.08 | Ronin | kingspawn: if its what i think it is dell creates a partiton on the drives to install from when you first power on the machine |
| 20:19.15 | abrotman | Yoric: what's the worst that happens ? |
| 20:19.20 | djfugu4848 | abrotman: you prefer debian or fedora for the xSeries servers? |
| 20:19.24 | kingspawn | Ronin: oh, that might be it |
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| 20:19.38 | Yoric | abrotman, the warranty doesn't seem to cover Linux installs. |
| 20:19.40 | abrotman | djfugu4848: oh .. i use Caldera OpenLinux .. all the way .. of course debian you insensitive clod! |
| 20:19.48 | abrotman | Yoric: i'm sure it doesn't |
| 20:19.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: haha |
| 20:20.02 | Yoric | abrotman, in case of a hardware problem, I'd like to be able to pretend that I did everything as a "normal" Windows user. |
| 20:20.06 | kingspawn | Yoric: whats that supposed to mean? if your harddisk goes bust in a week, they wont refund it because of whats on it? |
| 20:20.06 | ||cw | Yoric: does it prevent them? |
| 20:20.06 | abrotman | i don't think i've ever seen a fedora CD |
| 20:20.10 | kingspawn | Yoric: or are we takling support? |
| 20:20.20 | Yoric | kingspawn, no, I'm talking warranty. |
| 20:20.26 | Yoric | Let's say that it is ambiguous. |
| 20:20.29 | abrotman | Yoric: just tell them you made two partitions on your system .. one is for data only .. wtf will they know? |
| 20:20.35 | kingspawn | Yoric: i wouldnt even think it was legal to void warranty over such things |
| 20:20.45 | abrotman | kingspawn: try reading your warranty :) |
| 20:20.56 | kingspawn | abrotman: hahah, never have, never will :) |
| 20:20.58 | Yoric | I'm not sure it's legal to force preinstallation of Windows. |
| 20:21.01 | Yoric | They still do it. |
| 20:21.08 | kingspawn | heh, yeah |
| 20:21.16 | abrotman | Yoric: they don't force it .. you paid for it .. you could have bought a system with no OS |
| 20:21.25 | weasel00 | Yoric : they dont force it... they just dont offer an alternatives =) |
| 20:21.41 | Yoric | abrotman, nope, there was only the choice of the version of Windows. |
| 20:21.41 | tarzeau | Yoric: you can buy harddisks here without os on it |
| 20:21.44 | Yoric | Took the cheapest. |
| 20:21.47 | Yoric | tarzeau, not on a laptop. |
| 20:21.50 | tarzeau | Yoric: try www.apple.com |
| 20:21.53 | Yoric | :) |
| 20:21.54 | djfugu4848 | abrotman: hrm, fedora seems to not allow dist upgrades easily, i remember back in 1995~ debian would let me do a dist-upgrade without any issues remotely, is this still the case? |
| 20:21.59 | abrotman | Yoric: yes .. you bought a dell .. repeat after me .. DELL IS CRAP |
| 20:22.05 | Yoric | Dell is cheap. |
| 20:22.06 | tarzeau | !DELL |
| 20:22.07 | dpkg | [dell] a wonderful company that makes very wonderful laptops, but also some extremely bad laptops. For new ISOs to boot your Dell server, look at http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ or the worst company you could ever do business with, or crap, or http://www.domsch.com/linux/, or http://linux.dell.com/ |
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| 20:22.19 | abrotman | djfugu4848: i had a system go from potato->woody->sarge .. no reinstall |
| 20:22.27 | abrotman | then i got a laptop! yay |
| 20:22.31 | weasel00 | Yoric : are doing this on a laptop or desktop? |
| 20:22.35 | abrotman | Yoric: that's the wrong reason .. you get what you pay for |
| 20:22.35 | Yoric | laptop |
| 20:22.35 | petemc | always with the dell.. |
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| 20:22.42 | Yoric | abrotman, limited budget. |
| 20:22.45 | Yoric | That's a good reason. |
| 20:22.46 | abrotman | petemc: just because they write your paycheck! |
| 20:22.50 | petemc | :) |
| 20:22.54 | abrotman | Yoric: build your own .. |
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| 20:22.58 | Yoric | laptop ? |
| 20:23.03 | kingspawn | mheh |
| 20:23.04 | weasel00 | Yoric : that 2 gig partition might be the partition for the hibernation files |
| 20:23.07 | Yoric | Are you kidding ? |
| 20:23.08 | abrotman | then get an HP .. or IBM or anythign but dell |
| 20:23.11 | scytheman_ | hi, i have a little problem with regexp. i want to replace the characters after the last dot of a filename (eg. ".jpg" with ".png"). i haven't that much knowledge about regexp, but i made a regex-pattern which works in egrep, but doesn't in awk or sed |
| 20:23.14 | djfugu4848 | abrotman: hrm.. maybe i should go with debian.. does it use yum now? or still apt-get? |
| 20:23.15 | abrotman | hell .. even toshiba is better |
| 20:23.22 | Yoric | abrotman, 30% more expensive according to my calculations. |
| 20:23.24 | abrotman | djfugu4848: apt/dpkg/aptitude |
| 20:23.28 | Ronin | use yun now? apt-get djfugu4848 |
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| 20:23.38 | Yoric | weasel, it really looks like a system restore partition. |
| 20:23.40 | abrotman | Yoric: then i guess you can't whine about getting windows can you? |
| 20:23.41 | djfugu4848 | i havent touched a debian box since 1996.. |
| 20:23.42 | scytheman_ | echo "bla.blubb.blibb.blopp.jpg" | egrep --color "\.[a-z]{2,4}$" <- this works, ".jpg" gets highlighted |
| 20:23.43 | petemc | abrotman: really, your experience might be bad with dell, but lots of people have good experiences |
| 20:23.49 | Yoric | abrotman, I can *always* whine. |
| 20:23.51 | petemc | normal distribution and all that |
| 20:23.56 | scytheman_ | echo "bla.blubb.blibb.blopp.jpg" | awk '{ gsub(/\.[a-z]{2,4}/, ".png"); print }' <- here nothing happens |
| 20:23.57 | djfugu4848 | i remember.. slink... |
| 20:23.59 | abrotman | petemc: it must be my whole family and everyone i know who has bought one then .. |
| 20:24.00 | petemc | the bell curve.. |
| 20:24.13 | petemc | they must be all in that 12% |
| 20:24.14 | Ronin | heh guess petemc hasnt been in when ive been bitching about dells the last month :) |
| 20:24.14 | abrotman | my dad's laptop hasn't gone three months without needing a repair of some sort |
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| 20:24.28 | weasel00 | i have had good luck with dells... if i dont assemble myself its a dell =) |
| 20:24.29 | tarzeau | scytheman_: can i have a copy of bla.blubb.blibb.blopp.jpg ? |
| 20:24.38 | kingspawn | ever opened a dell case? its like opening pandoras box |
| 20:24.41 | abrotman | meanwhile .. my TP .. i will have to replace the HDD pretty soon .. but i use it a lot |
| 20:24.42 | fugit | pteemc: all add 3 more bad laptops from dell to the pile |
| 20:24.43 | petemc | abrotman: ok, well - ive bought hundreds of laptops through dell |
| 20:24.46 | kingspawn | once open, you never go back |
| 20:24.50 | tarzeau | kingspawn: they have so ugly cases |
| 20:24.50 | scytheman_ | tarzeau, err, no? this file doesn't exist |
| 20:24.53 | abrotman | petemc: do you also service them? |
| 20:24.56 | kingspawn | tarzeau: nightmares |
| 20:24.58 | djfugu4848 | so .. how often is debian updating? |
| 20:24.59 | petemc | abrotman: i do |
| 20:25.04 | abrotman | petemc: every itty bitty part? |
| 20:25.06 | weasel00 | kingspawn : hp's are worse |
| 20:25.10 | Yoric | Well, anyway, I'm going to try. |
| 20:25.12 | wols | djfugu4848: stable about every 3 years |
| 20:25.14 | petemc | abrotman: no |
| 20:25.16 | Yoric | Wish me... er, wish me Linux. |
| 20:25.21 | tarzeau | scytheman_: sure it does, www.linuks.mine.nu/bla.blubb.blibb.blopp.jpg |
| 20:25.21 | djfugu4848 | ouch.. 3 years is a long time.. |
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| 20:25.33 | abrotman | petemc: i can send you my dad's laptop .. it's apparently a 1500$ pile of electronic fuckups :) |
| 20:25.33 | petemc | ive had a latitude d400 for 3 years, no bother at all |
| 20:25.33 | scytheman_ | tarzeau, very funny |
| 20:25.37 | wols | djfugu4848: 3 years is a best case scenario. usually it's a little longer :) |
| 20:25.41 | djfugu4848 | ... |
| 20:25.42 | kingspawn | weasel00: i'll bet. i just opened my friends dell one time to install a new harddrive for him - even that was a nightmare |
| 20:25.45 | Ronin | djfugu4848: but thats rock stable, testing and unstable are much much more frequent |
| 20:25.48 | abrotman | petemc: stuff made .. 4+ years ago was fine .. it's gone way way way downhill |
| 20:25.51 | petemc | abrotman: as i said, normal distribution, it cant all be good |
| 20:26.10 | abrotman | petemc: and it shouldn't require half the parts in the laptop to be replaced either |
| 20:26.15 | menko | for anyone wondering how I resolved the sudo with xapps issue(I managed to get em working with 'su -') , I commented out the line #Defaultsenv_reset in sudoers |
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| 20:26.51 | weasel00 | kingspawn : dell depends on the series you get. the streamlined business machine is ass the rest of the lines are not bad |
| 20:26.57 | Ronin | hot damn quitting time |
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| 20:27.14 | serfurj | why is firefox such a cpu hog in linux but not windows? |
| 20:27.24 | tarzeau | serfurj: because it's retarded |
| 20:27.28 | kingspawn | weasel00: hm, might be. i never buy machines that way anyway. i prefer to get the parts individually and build them myself |
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| 20:27.44 | abrotman | weasel00: i'd say the home stuff is just as bad |
| 20:27.55 | scytheman_ | noone there who uses regexp? |
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| 20:28.23 | serfurj | tarzeau: no kidding. i'm back to using mozilla. |
| 20:28.49 | kingspawn | i use opera |
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| 20:28.55 | tarzeau | serfurj: at least that works sanely over remote x |
| 20:29.09 | tarzeau | i use omniweb prior to version 4. and dillo and links2 -g |
| 20:29.16 | kingspawn | hehe |
| 20:29.20 | kingspawn | links is great |
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| 20:29.52 | serfurj | the only thing i miss is being able to middle-click any link to open in a new tab, and "live bookmarks" |
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| 20:30.48 | Tecky | anyone know of a monitering tool that you put on a probe machine and it catches all the jpg's seen by workstations on the lan... I have used it in the past but cant remember the name ofi it. |
| 20:30.49 | tarzeau | kingspawn: indeed |
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| 20:31.04 | petemc | tarzeau: driftnet, i think its called |
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| 20:31.08 | petemc | Tecky: ^^^ |
| 20:31.08 | Tecky | thats it |
| 20:31.10 | Tecky | driftnet |
| 20:31.13 | Tecky | thank you so much =] |
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| 20:31.17 | petemc | np |
| 20:32.03 | hjubal | hi |
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| 20:32.37 | abrotman | petemc: how do you feel about dell again? :) |
| 20:32.48 | serfurj | i used links exclusively for a while, but a good 25% of the web pages i came across couldn't be viewed well. |
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| 20:33.39 | ||cw | is there a command/script that will switch the system back and forth from using gcc 3.3 and 4.0 as a default? |
| 20:34.21 | rvsjoen | the CC environment variable |
| 20:35.17 | Tecky | petemc: is there any other application that you use for viewing the network traffic ? |
| 20:35.23 | Tecky | i use ntop / mrtg / iftop |
| 20:35.33 | Tecky | looking for some more tools / utils |
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| 20:38.14 | rvsjoen | I like iptraf |
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| 20:38.50 | eeman | anyone there? |
| 20:39.03 | streuner | eeman: just ask |
| 20:39.07 | eeman | okay |
| 20:39.20 | eeman | i wanted to run a gui in debian |
| 20:39.24 | eeman | like xwindows |
| 20:39.34 | eeman | i installed the sarge build dvd |
| 20:39.38 | eeman | im running x86 |
| 20:39.39 | streuner | eeman: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 20:39.48 | eeman | is it on disk 1 or 2 |
| 20:40.09 | streuner | eeman: just make sure you have interfaces configured... |
| 20:40.18 | eeman | okay |
| 20:40.20 | eeman | and then |
| 20:40.21 | Yoric | eeman, Just for the record, it's X-Window (no "s") -- and it's not a gui. |
| 20:40.23 | eeman | after i install |
| 20:40.32 | eeman | what do i use to run it |
| 20:40.33 | streuner | eeman: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 20:40.47 | streuner | eeman: /msg dpkg wm |
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| 20:40.53 | eeman | okay thenx |
| 20:40.58 | Aronofsky | hi |
| 20:41.36 | Aronofsky | id like to know what is the command the source ( testing or unstable ) of my installed packages ? |
| 20:41.42 | AM|R | hi |
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| 20:42.13 | AM|R | i got error when |
| 20:42.17 | AM|R | apt-get install kde |
| 20:42.19 | Aronofsky | what is the command ti check the source ( testing or unstable ) of my installed packages ? |
| 20:42.20 | AM|R | can someone help me |
| 20:42.39 | rvsjoen | Aronofsky: apt-get source <package> will download the source for you.... |
| 20:42.50 | abrotman | Aronofsky: apt-cache policy <pkg> |
| 20:42.55 | eeman | oh and, last time i tried to goto /msg, it couldnt find the directory |
| 20:42.57 | AM|R | ermm |
| 20:43.09 | abrotman | Aronofsky: wait .. the source you got it from .. or the actual source code? |
| 20:43.29 | AM|R | ? |
| 20:43.45 | Aronofsky | abrotman, sorry , yes the source you got it from ( my english is bad ... lol ) |
| 20:43.54 | abrotman | Aronofsky: apt-cache policy <pkg> |
| 20:44.11 | rvsjoen | AM|R: it would be nice to have more info about the error :) |
| 20:44.59 | AM|R | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
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| 20:45.06 | abrotman | AM|R: and which version of debian |
| 20:45.09 | AM|R | that is the error |
| 20:45.12 | AM|R | well |
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| 20:45.18 | AM|R | previous im installing unstable |
| 20:45.24 | eeman | i have another question when i try to access /msg, it comes up with an error saying its non-existant |
| 20:45.25 | AM|R | and now im turn back to stable |
| 20:45.30 | abrotman | you can't do that |
| 20:45.41 | AM|R | then |
| 20:45.43 | AM|R | because |
| 20:45.45 | davidcsi_ | question, when you are doing a "tail -f" on a file, and afterwards you can't stat or copy or edit or delete the file... why would that be? |
| 20:45.51 | AM|R | unstable got errors tu |
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| 20:45.59 | AM|R | unstable got errors t00 |
| 20:46.09 | abrotman | davidcsi_: it's open ? |
| 20:46.12 | Aronofsky | abrotman, but there is another command to list all package with their source |
| 20:46.17 | AM|R | kde: Depends: kde-core but it is not going to be installed |
| 20:46.24 | abrotman | Aronofsky: are you asking or telling me ? |
| 20:46.31 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 20:46.31 | dpkg | i guess install kde is In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 20:46.31 | davidcsi_ | yes, one program has it open. |
| 20:46.32 | Aronofsky | abrotman, or all package from unstable for exemple |
| 20:46.35 | abrotman | !paste |
| 20:46.35 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 20:46.38 | Aronofsky | abrotman, im asking |
| 20:46.42 | abrotman | AM|R: paste the whole error ^^ |
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| 20:46.50 | abrotman | Aronofsky: not that i'm aware of |
| 20:47.18 | davidcsi_ | abrotman: yes, one program has it open. |
| 20:47.41 | Aronofsky | abrotman, actually there is a way to list all package installed from testing for exemple , i juste dont remeber how |
| 20:48.08 | davidcsi_ | Aronofsky: I'll explain: |
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| 20:48.58 | AM|R | abrotman here are the errors https://panchor.e-mutiara.com/error |
| 20:49.13 | Aronofsky | davidcsi_ , ok |
| 20:49.26 | abrotman | Aronofsky: probably a pile of awk and sed |
| 20:49.38 | Eulex | !installed |
| 20:49.38 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 20:49.41 | davidcsi_ | a service is puting date into that file, I tail it, but there is another program which is supposed to move that file to another directory and compress it, but I think that becaus eI was tailing it it couldn't do it ansd messed up the file somehow |
| 20:49.44 | abrotman | AM|R: paste your sources somewhere |
| 20:49.45 | abrotman | !paste |
| 20:49.45 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 20:49.55 | AM|R | yeah |
| 20:49.57 | Eulex | Aronofsky, ^^ |
| 20:49.57 | AM|R | go to |
| 20:50.15 | abrotman | Eulex: afaik .. that won't show where you got it from |
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| 20:50.41 | petemc | Aronofsky: i think aptitude can list what packages came from where |
| 20:50.51 | Eulex | Aronofsky, ah, I didn't read his question well enough |
| 20:50.58 | AM|R | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2214 |
| 20:50.59 | Aronofsky | petemc, do you know how ? |
| 20:51.02 | AM|R | the paste |
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| 20:51.58 | digijohn | Hi; just installed debian stable, and I want to make sure my machine is as "tight" as possible. nmap from outside shows the following: |
| 20:51.59 | petemc | Aronofsky: perhaps something like.. aptitude search '~i~testing' - im not 100% sure tho' |
| 20:52.05 | digijohn | 22/tcp open ssh |
| 20:52.05 | digijohn | 111/tcp open rpcbind |
| 20:52.05 | digijohn | 113/tcp open auth |
| 20:52.05 | digijohn | 899/tcp open unknown |
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| 20:52.09 | abrotman | nice |
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| 20:52.14 | digijohn | Sorry about the flood |
| 20:52.16 | abrotman | digijohn: /j #flood .. try again |
| 20:52.20 | digijohn | I didn't think that would be excessive |
| 20:52.28 | digijohn | That's all there was, just the 4 lines |
| 20:52.40 | Hessophanes | davidcsi_: It should have no effect whether you have been tailing that file when it was moved away... |
| 20:52.56 | unstable | !tell AM|R about enter |
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| 20:53.15 | abrotman | digijohn: ok .. what about it ? |
| 20:53.18 | davidcsi_ | Hessophanes: it is move away, and another one created in its place |
| 20:53.34 | unstable | !tell digijohn about paste |
| 20:53.37 | digijohn | abrotman: Well, I'm wondering how many of those ports I could close by shutting down services |
| 20:53.49 | abrotman | digijohn: do you use nfs ? |
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| 20:53.53 | digijohn | abrotman: No |
| 20:54.01 | abrotman | digijohn: apt-get --purge remove portmap |
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| 20:54.09 | Aronofsky | anyone else here kow how to list all package on my system that have been installed from unstable mirror ? |
| 20:54.12 | abrotman | digijohn: comment out identd in /etc/inetd.conf ... |
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| 20:55.02 | digijohn | Ah, beautiful. Thank you, abrotman. |
| 20:55.09 | Hessophanes | davidcsi_: Yes... but you're still tailing the moved file, no matter where it is moved to. Even the service that is appending to the file will still append to it, as long as it doesn't try to "reopen" it. |
| 20:55.10 | abrotman | digijohn: NFC what 899 is |
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| 20:55.19 | disposable | what is the difference between ALL: ALL and ALL: PARANOID in /etc/hosts.deny ? |
| 20:55.37 | sgtpepper | hello |
| 20:55.38 | digijohn | abrotman: Well, after doing what you suggested, it is no longer open |
| 20:55.38 | petemc | Aronofsky: perhaps you could read the documentation for aptitude, im pretty sure it has that functionality |
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| 20:56.07 | sgtpepper | helloo.. does anyone have installed and working ircd-hybrid? |
| 20:56.18 | Aronofsky | petemc, did it but dont find ... im think more of an apt tool ... but i really dont remember |
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| 20:56.44 | rvsjoen | sgtpepper: yes.. but it was a long time ago :P |
| 20:56.44 | B0neTruper | why debian and not something else? |
| 20:56.53 | AM|R | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2214 |
| 20:56.57 | sgtpepper | can you help me with smthg rvsjoen? |
| 20:57.01 | rvsjoen | maybe |
| 20:57.02 | AM|R | abrotman can you help me? |
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| 20:58.00 | digijohn | B0neTruper: Debian doesn't need too much space, has lots of software, and has an excellent package management system. |
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| 20:58.21 | sgtpepper | when i try to connect to my server from mirc... i keep getting 18:04 Closing Link: 200.47.75.33 (Bad user info) |
| 20:58.28 | abrotman | AM|R: where are your sources? |
| 20:58.29 | rajulocal | In acroread, when I use full screen, the background color is black. But in kpdf, the background color is not black, but is somewhat blue. How can I get acroread's behaviour? I am using kde 3.5.1 debian unstable |
| 20:58.32 | wamty | Can anyone have a look at this please: http://rafb.net/paste/results/2Pzcgg77.html |
| 20:58.34 | wamty | I need help. |
| 20:58.51 | AM|R | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2214 |
| 20:58.56 | stew | AM|R: paste your sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy kde-core" to a pastebin |
| 20:59.03 | abrotman | wamty: try linux-headers |
| 20:59.07 | disposable | AM|R: have you run apt-get update? |
| 20:59.10 | Estes2 | I need an advice, i have 2 groups of users. a directory is accesible by both but i want one group to have rw access and the other one to have r- Any idea ? |
| 20:59.14 | AM|R | w8 |
| 20:59.14 | B0neTruper | thanx digijohn :) |
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| 20:59.26 | digijohn | B0neTruper: Are you considering Debian? |
| 20:59.31 | AM|R | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:59.41 | disposable | Estes2: google access control list |
| 20:59.52 | Estes2 | argh... acl's |
| 20:59.53 | Estes2 | ok... |
| 20:59.55 | wamty | abrotman, linux-headers - whats that? |
| 21:00.02 | Estes2 | wondered if there wasn't an other way |
| 21:00.04 | sgtpepper | rvsjoen? |
| 21:00.06 | Estes2 | ok, thanks disposable |
| 21:00.12 | abrotman | wamty: apt-cache search linux-headers |
| 21:00.16 | AM|R | disposable yeah already update |
| 21:00.19 | rvsjoen | sgtpepper: can you pastebin the config file ? |
| 21:00.21 | disposable | Estes2: yes, use netware :) |
| 21:00.22 | stew | AM|R: that does not appear to be a valid debian mirror |
| 21:00.25 | sgtpepper | sure |
| 21:00.28 | sgtpepper | hold on a sec |
| 21:00.30 | Estes2 | xlol |
| 21:00.45 | AM|R | ermm |
| 21:00.49 | AM|R | is it? |
| 21:01.08 | disposable | Estes2: if you find a simpler solution, let me know please |
| 21:01.12 | stew | AM|R: wait, maybe, can you just please paste your sources.list to a pastebin and the output of apt-cache policy kde-core |
| 21:01.18 | Hessophanes | http://ftp.cerias.purdue.edu/pub/os/debian looks better... |
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| 21:02.26 | wamty | abrotman, i have linux debian with kernel 2.6.15-1-686 |
| 21:02.27 | AM|R | ok |
| 21:02.41 | Estes2 | disposable, ...if... :) |
| 21:02.43 | sgtpepper | [rvsjoen] pastebin.com/648757 |
| 21:02.46 | sgtpepper | sorry |
| 21:02.50 | sgtpepper | 618757 |
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| 21:02.56 | mortal__ | debian is no linux |
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| 21:03.12 | DevilChaos | hi |
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| 21:03.25 | disposable | mortal__: thank you for the info :) |
| 21:03.28 | wamty | abrotman: i don't have kernel-headers-2.6.15-1-686 in my CD |
| 21:03.43 | stew | wamty: linux-headers-2.6.15-1-686 |
| 21:03.47 | disposable | mortal__: it's hurd, bsd as well |
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| 21:04.08 | DevilChaos | anyone know if 64 bit debian is any further along yet? im still waiting on a psu before i install from 64 net install? |
| 21:04.20 | stew | DevilChaos: further along? |
| 21:04.26 | DevilChaos | i know |
| 21:04.29 | DevilChaos | silly |
| 21:04.37 | DevilChaos | sorry its silly |
| 21:04.41 | abrotman | wamty: linux-headers ... |
| 21:04.51 | abrotman | DevilChaos: what do you want to work? |
| 21:04.52 | kingspawn | arr, beer bottles all over |
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| 21:04.58 | kingspawn | walking impossible |
| 21:05.08 | abrotman | so just sit your fat ass down |
| 21:05.21 | DevilChaos | hard question for me to ask dont know nuch bout it just know stew |
| 21:05.39 | DevilChaos | damn typos |
| 21:05.40 | zinx | probably mplayer like everyone else |
| 21:05.45 | kingspawn | abrotman: CAN DO! ;) |
| 21:05.59 | DevilChaos | abrotman: everything |
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| 21:06.23 | DevilChaos | my system is going to be fast if it works right |
| 21:06.44 | kingspawn | you dont need fast, you need nice and stable |
| 21:06.53 | DevilChaos | that too |
| 21:07.09 | sgtpepper | that's right.. i could overclock my ibook g3.. but i like it stable |
| 21:07.17 | DevilChaos | im just really exited just now i want it up and running debian |
| 21:07.39 | kingspawn | hehe |
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| 21:07.42 | wamty | abrotman, im afraid I don't understand. sorry |
| 21:07.45 | kingspawn | everyone is excited about their 64 bit cpus |
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| 21:07.50 | kingspawn | "bla bla", i say |
| 21:07.55 | zinx | DevilChaos: it's somewhat difficult to run a lot of 32-bit apps in debian-amd64 still |
| 21:08.03 | sgtpepper | anyway... i lack of soldering skills, so i'm goig to wait for an engineer friend to make my mind about it |
| 21:08.05 | sgtpepper | lol |
| 21:08.09 | spanglesontoast | what's a good way of watching the whole system like the syslog |
| 21:08.12 | spanglesontoast | I have a spare screen |
| 21:08.17 | stew | wamty: you shouldn't be looking for a package named kernel-headers-2.6.15-1-686 but a package named linux-headers-2.6.15-1-686 |
| 21:08.17 | abrotman | wamty: apt-cache search linux-headers .. do you see anything ? |
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| 21:08.22 | spanglesontoast | and I'd like to watch my server |
| 21:08.28 | abrotman | DevilChaos: way to be vague :) |
| 21:08.30 | zinx | DevilChaos: if you want everything to work, use the x86 debian |
| 21:08.49 | DevilChaos | im going to edlug next week and ill prob end up asking million and 1 questions |
| 21:08.53 | predah | hello all, wanted to ask if there is any utility that erases files in frequent intervals based on their timestamp |
| 21:09.01 | stew | DevilChaos: install 64 bit, the apps that don't work in 64 bit can be run from a 32 bit chroot inside the 64 bit install |
| 21:09.07 | DevilChaos | already running x86 on three platforms |
| 21:09.08 | petemc | predah: find and xargs |
| 21:09.16 | petemc | + cron |
| 21:09.24 | predah | petemc thanks |
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| 21:09.54 | DevilChaos | yeah my friend from edinburgh told me bout that |
| 21:09.57 | DevilChaos | stew |
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| 21:10.27 | sgtpepper | [rvsjoen] |
| 21:10.29 | sgtpepper | any ideas? |
| 21:10.43 | st0ner | can grub read from autoraid partitions?? |
| 21:10.55 | GoAuLd | spanglesontoast, it would be cool to use a collection of superkaramba scripts or gdesklets in your unused screen, so you can view the WHOLE system stats + logs + weather in your country + traffic in out and packet triggered events.. etc.. in graphic a manner |
| 21:10.58 | Yashy | I followed the steps at http://www.hackepedia.org/?title=Dsp#device_creation but I'm still not getting any audio since I did a dist-upgrade. Any suggestions are appreciated. |
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| 21:11.12 | rvsjoen | sgtpepper: does the logs have any info ? are you connecting from localhost ? |
| 21:11.26 | sgtpepper | no.. and no |
| 21:11.27 | GoAuLd | spanglesontoast, also its very easy to set up |
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| 21:11.46 | spanglesontoast | erm |
| 21:11.50 | spanglesontoast | I just mean't without xorg |
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| 21:11.53 | spanglesontoast | just the normal screen |
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| 21:12.09 | yassine | anyone of you guys knows how to apply a kernel patch ? |
| 21:12.39 | sgtpepper | [cat] file | patch -p0 yassine |
| 21:12.42 | rvsjoen | debian kernel-patch, or kernel-patch ? |
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| 21:13.02 | rvsjoen | sgtpepper: i'm clueless then |
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| 21:13.24 | yassine | sgtpepper, the patch file i have is a bz2 archive and i only have the kernel-sources here |
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| 21:13.41 | sgtpepper | ok |
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| 21:13.51 | abrotman | stew: do you have any sarge boxen about ? |
| 21:13.59 | sgtpepper | unbzip the file in the kernel sources dir |
| 21:14.16 | stew | abrotman: the one i'm ircing from |
| 21:14.21 | stew | abrotman: not on console though |
| 21:14.23 | abrotman | stew: have you run security updates today? |
| 21:14.32 | stew | abrotman: no not yet |
| 21:14.44 | oliknoli | whats the command to download kde?? |
| 21:14.47 | abrotman | stew: my boxes are showing a kernel update on hold .. i was wondering if you knew why |
| 21:14.49 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 21:14.49 | dpkg | somebody said install kde was In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
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| 21:15.01 | abrotman | stew: and i see no DSA for it |
| 21:15.13 | stew | abrotman: i'm not running any sarge machines with stock sarge kenrels |
| 21:15.13 | oliknoli | ok kde core then? wahts the command?? |
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| 21:15.33 | abrotman | stew: oh shit .. new binary compatibility |
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| 21:15.51 | Vibe-- | my boot just stops at USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver v2.2 ? How to solve this ? |
| 21:16.11 | Kerr | whnever i try to unzip all files in a dir (unzip *.zip) i get 'caution: filename not mached whatever.zip' forr each file. what gives? |
| 21:16.12 | wols | !tell oliknoli about apt |
| 21:16.34 | Yashy | I followed the steps at http://www.hackepedia.org/?title=Dsp#device_creation but I'm still not getting any audio since I did a dist-upgrade. Any suggestions are appreciated. |
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| 21:17.08 | Aronofsky | hi , what is the linux alternative to eMule ? |
| 21:17.09 | Fluten | i mounted a cd, and all the names are truncated with ~1. should this not be happening because cds use the iso fs? |
| 21:17.17 | CleeK | aMule/xMule |
| 21:17.25 | weasel00 | where does the phpmyadmin pkg setup the alias settings. i cant seem to find the file for it? |
| 21:17.28 | oliknoli | im not in the mood to read that can someone say what i should write? apt get`?? |
| 21:17.36 | Aronofsky | CleeK, what is the best between the 2 ? |
| 21:17.37 | oliknoli | to get kde core |
| 21:17.44 | oliknoli | ?? |
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| 21:17.58 | sgtpepper | [Fluten] most probably the soft that yoyu used to record truncated the filenames |
| 21:17.58 | kingspawn | oliknoli: worst opening ever is "i wont read..." |
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| 21:18.09 | oliknoli | hmm :D |
| 21:18.14 | Fluten | sgtpepper, its a game cd |
| 21:18.19 | erhanr | xmule supports torrent |
| 21:18.22 | wamty | abrotman/stew: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Bt96PR51.html |
| 21:18.29 | sgtpepper | oh... then... you beat me flart |
| 21:18.29 | XoR_ | if i mount USB-Flash (avg read speed ~6MB/s) then my SATA RAID5 read speed down to 10-20MB/s, if i unmount USB-flash, then speed is ok - about 100-140 MB/s :( why that...??? |
| 21:18.32 | sgtpepper | [fluten] |
| 21:19.00 | stew | wamty: what's the question? |
| 21:19.03 | abrotman | wamty: apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.15-1 .. i think that's what you want |
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| 21:19.33 | sgtpepper | lol Fluten |
| 21:19.34 | rvsjoen | isn't file naming the main difference between isofs and iso9660 ? |
| 21:19.34 | CleeK | Aronofsky: don't know |
| 21:19.37 | abrotman | Fluten: i bet he works for IBM |
| 21:19.40 | Codemaster__ | hi all |
| 21:19.44 | oliknoli | to install kde core apt-get install kde-core?? |
| 21:19.44 | kingspawn | Fluten: i thought naming in 8.3 was kind of fun |
| 21:19.45 | Yashy | Fluten: ohreally.why |
| 21:19.48 | sgtpepper | rvsjoen... any news? |
| 21:19.54 | abrotman | Aronofsky: did you figure out the "installed location thing ? |
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| 21:20.14 | sgtpepper | [yassine] did it worked? |
| 21:20.23 | erudified | I installed php4-mysql but I'm getting a 'call to undefined function mysql_connect()' error; how do I fix this? |
| 21:20.25 | weasel00 | Fluten : remember that when that was establised.. who knew that a computer would be faster than 12Hz, why would anyone need more power than that =) |
| 21:20.44 | abrotman | i bet it was long before 12Mhz |
| 21:20.52 | rvsjoen | sgtpepper: except very little support information about ircd-hybrid ? no :P I normally prefer ircu |
| 21:21.04 | yassine | sgtpepper, not really im a bit confused unpacking it gives me only one file |
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| 21:21.17 | yassine | i expected more files to overwrite the old one |
| 21:21.17 | rvsjoen | it should |
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| 21:21.26 | Fluten | weasel, ya, but it was pretty stupid to impliment long filenames on top of 8.3, so they get truncated to crapfi~1 |
| 21:21.27 | weasel00 | abrotman : my memory is a bit sketchy but i think roughtly before that time it was still punch cards ;) |
| 21:21.30 | sgtpepper | yes yassine that is the file u should cat | patch -p0 |
| 21:21.38 | wamty | abrotman, not this in the CD linux-headers-2.6.15-1 |
| 21:21.39 | Codemaster__ | could anyone help me setting up routing ? i have two ethernets and can't get on the internet with the computer behind eth1 |
| 21:21.48 | sgtpepper | rvsjoen.. has it got services line chanserv or nickserv? |
| 21:21.54 | petemc | weasel00: eh? |
| 21:21.58 | yassine | sgtpepper, cat /kerneldir | patch ? |
| 21:22.00 | abrotman | weasel00: uhm .. when do you think 12Mhz was prevalent? |
| 21:22.04 | Aronofsky | abrotman, still not |
| 21:22.09 | sgtpepper | yassine... pm me |
| 21:22.23 | wamty | abrotman, not this in the CD linux-headers-2.6.15-1 |
| 21:22.28 | oliknoli | to install kde core apt-get install kde-core?? |
| 21:22.41 | weasel00 | abrotman : i know punch cards were widely used during WWII |
| 21:23.14 | abrotman | Aronofsky: on a really crappy quick hack .. try this |
| 21:23.35 | abrotman | Aronofsky: for i in ` grep Package: /var/lib/dpkg/status | awk '{print $2}' ` ; do echo $i;apt-cache policy $i | egrep 'http|Installed' ;done |
| 21:23.36 | rvsjoen | sgtpepper: not sure about nickserv, i've only set it up against cservice with X (undernet style) |
| 21:23.38 | sgtpepper | rvsjoen... u there? |
| 21:23.48 | stew | abrotman: why is that? |
| 21:23.51 | Fluten | i dont know of anyone who would of bothered to carry it around all day in the late 80s though |
| 21:23.52 | abrotman | i guess i could have left grep out :) |
| 21:23.55 | abrotman | stew: ugly bash ! |
| 21:24.01 | wamty | Any idea? |
| 21:24.09 | stew | abrotman: man grep-dctrl |
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| 21:24.16 | Aronofsky | abrotman, ok i try it now |
| 21:24.24 | abrotman | stew: i no have! |
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| 21:24.38 | stew | !tell abrotman about installit |
| 21:24.40 | Yashy | I followed the steps at http://www.hackepedia.org/?title=Dsp#device_creation but I'm still not getting any audio since I did a dist-upgrade. Any suggestions are appreciated. |
| 21:24.42 | abrotman | stew: hehe |
| 21:24.43 | petemc | *bam* |
| 21:24.51 | stew | :) |
| 21:24.59 | wamty | Guys please help m e |
| 21:25.07 | abrotman | wamty: paste your sources somewhere |
| 21:25.08 | Yashy | !tell Yashy about sound |
| 21:25.08 | abrotman | !paste |
| 21:25.09 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 21:25.16 | wamty | linux-headers-2.6.15-1 is not in the cd |
| 21:25.25 | abrotman | stew: that's cheating! |
| 21:25.43 | abrotman | stew: tell Aronofsky |
| 21:25.44 | tarzeau | abrotman: my shiny ass: http://www.botanischer-garten.uni-erlangen.de/bild020329/bild08.jpg |
| 21:25.46 | rvsjoen | sgtpepper: I can pastebin a working .conf file (running it now) and you can check that out.. |
| 21:26.03 | abrotman | tarzeau: i knew you were a pain in the ass :) |
| 21:26.16 | stew | wamty: linux-headers-2.6.15-1-686 |
| 21:26.18 | tarzeau | abrotman: bzzzz bzzz |
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| 21:26.34 | Aronofsky | abrotman, tell me what ? |
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| 21:27.00 | blondie | mwq |
| 21:27.05 | demon_bot | Anyone know how to get a list of packages that are installed? |
| 21:27.16 | tarzeau | demon_bot: dpkg -l | grep ^ii |
| 21:27.21 | rvsjoen | http://rainbow.homelinux.org/ircd.conf |
| 21:27.29 | abrotman | Aronofsky: about grep-dctrl |
| 21:27.34 | stew | Aronofsky: in general there is no way to tell where something was installed from |
| 21:27.37 | abrotman | demon_bot: dpkg -l |
| 21:27.37 | Kerr | whnever i try to unzip all the zip file in a dir (unzip *.zip) i get 'caution: filename not mached whatever.zip' forr each file. what gives? |
| 21:27.54 | demon_bot | thanks |
| 21:27.54 | tarzeau | Kerr: '*.zip' |
| 21:27.54 | wamty | abrotman, wath sources? |
| 21:27.55 | tarzeau | Kerr: the shell expands *.zip |
| 21:27.58 | abrotman | Kerr: ls *.zip |xargs unzip ? |
| 21:28.03 | tarzeau | Kerr: and unzip can't handle more than one file |
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| 21:28.09 | abrotman | wamty: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:28.10 | tarzeau | abrotman: why not '*.zip'? |
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| 21:28.30 | disposable | how can somebody run a traceroute against me if i'm behind a NAT? |
| 21:28.38 | stew | wamty: what are you trying to do? |
| 21:28.45 | abrotman | tarzeau: that will work |
| 21:28.49 | DevilChaos | ur still sending ip from the nat |
| 21:28.54 | tarzeau | disposable: your ip? |
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| 21:28.59 | abrotman | disposable: they can't |
| 21:29.00 | CleeK | disposable: go to www.whatismyip.com and check if your local ip is the same |
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| 21:29.10 | stew | disposable: yes, but they will be tracerouting to your nat router, since that is where it will look like you are |
| 21:29.11 | tarzeau | disposable: or telnet linuks.mine.nu 65535 |
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| 21:29.19 | abrotman | disposable: unless your router does 1to1 nat .. and allows ping through .. maybe then |
| 21:29.20 | Aronofsky | abrotman, stew , with grep-dctrl i can list all package install from unstable for exemple ? |
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| 21:29.28 | disposable | abrotman: my firestarter says i've just been tracerouted... although i don't have a public ip |
| 21:29.30 | sgtpepper | ok rvsjoen |
| 21:29.37 | sgtpepper | i would apreciate ir |
| 21:29.38 | sgtpepper | it |
| 21:29.38 | stew | Aronofsky: no |
| 21:29.41 | abrotman | Aronofsky: i've never used it .. |
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| 21:30.02 | stew | Aronofsky: grep-dctrl was just going to clean up abrotman's nasty shell command a bit |
| 21:30.10 | wamty | stew: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Bt96PR51.html |
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| 21:30.25 | eskimooo | Jews Did WTC!!! http://www.jewsdidwtc.com |
| 21:30.26 | eskimooo | . |
| 21:30.26 | eskimooo | Jews Did WTC!!! http://www.jewsdidwtc.com |
| 21:30.26 | eskimooo | . |
| 21:30.26 | eskimooo | Jews Did WTC!!! http://www.jewsdidwtc.com |
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| 21:30.28 | stew | wamty: what do you want me to loko at there? |
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| 21:30.56 | Aronofsky | stew, abrotman , by the way , completely different subject but what is for you the best emule alternative : amule or xmule ? |
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| 21:31.07 | abrotman | i don't use mule |
| 21:31.08 | stew | Aronofsky: i don't know what those are |
| 21:31.20 | stew | wamty: i've told you the package name you want 5-6 times |
| 21:31.21 | marcot | Hello, how do I install latex packages which are not yet debianized? I've download scriptex from http://www.aidtopia.com/software/scripttex/index.html, and it has a lot of .tex and .mf files. |
| 21:31.25 | abrotman | wamty: paste /etc/apt/sources.list .. somewhere |
| 21:31.27 | marcot | Where should I put them? |
| 21:31.29 | abrotman | stew: he says it's not on the CD |
| 21:31.30 | settd | does anyone know some audio editing and mixing progs for dj in linux? |
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| 21:31.45 | abrotman | settd: ask freshmeat |
| 21:31.46 | eskimooo | Jews Did WTC!!! http://www.jewsdidwtc.com |
| 21:31.46 | eskimooo | . |
| 21:31.46 | eskimooo | Jews Did WTC!!! http://www.jewsdidwtc.com |
| 21:31.46 | eskimooo | . |
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| 21:31.56 | abrotman | !ops eskimooo is some kind of tard |
| 21:31.56 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: eskimooo is some kind of tard |
| 21:31.57 | stew | abrotman: no he said that linux-headers-2.6.15-1 isn't when he should be looking for linux-headers-2.6.15-1-686 or somehting |
| 21:32.06 | mz_work | settd: lmms is one |
| 21:32.08 | [GIN]FiZZ | hey anybody yet installed debian on a HP blade (G3) system? |
| 21:32.08 | oliknoli | a while back i had my server on a router with dchp. and now i changed to another router without dhcp. i tried to change the ip in some config but it didnt worked... anyone who could help me or give me an link?? |
| 21:32.09 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 21:32.12 | rvsjoen | is there any way to make vim not go crazy with the tabs when pasting ? |
| 21:32.17 | zinx | <3 dondelelcaro |
| 21:32.19 | abrotman | stew: according to his apt-cache search... it sohuld be the former |
| 21:32.20 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@142.150.204.245] by dondelelcaro |
| 21:32.21 | stew | rvsjoen: :set paste |
| 21:32.25 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 21:32.28 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: thank you |
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| 21:32.41 | rvsjoen | thank you |
| 21:32.43 | stew | rvsjoen: ":set nonopaste" to turn it back off |
| 21:32.48 | stew | rvsjoen: err nopaste |
| 21:32.49 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: np |
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| 21:33.00 | HaCKeT|FiZZ | I heard that HP once actually supported debian but stopped or something, anybody here with experience linux and blades? |
| 21:33.21 | abrotman | HaCKeT|FiZZ: they used to sell blades with debian .. i believe they still internally do it that way .. you'd have to ask HP |
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| 21:33.43 | oliknoli | a while back i had my server on a router with dchp. and now i changed to another router without dhcp. i tried to change the ip in some config but it didnt worked... anyone who could help me or give me an link?? |
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| 21:33.56 | mz_work | HaCKeT|FiZZ: sorry no experience to relate but we do still use Debian @ hp |
| 21:34.11 | rvsjoen | sgtpepper: your config file gives me some errors, "ERROR: No server name specified in serverinfo block." and the oper pass should probably be enclosed in " " |
| 21:34.12 | HaCKeT|FiZZ | abrotman, mz_work thanks already, you wouldn't know which version to go with by any chance? ;) |
| 21:34.27 | abrotman | HaCKeT|FiZZ: for what? |
| 21:34.34 | HaCKeT|FiZZ | blades and debian, guess stable |
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| 21:34.44 | abrotman | mz_work: do i know you? |
| 21:35.19 | abrotman | HaCKeT|FiZZ: call HP and ask if they support debian on thier blades |
| 21:35.30 | HaCKeT|FiZZ | abrotman will do, thanks |
| 21:35.32 | mz_work | abrotman: maybe, maybe not do you live in Colorado Springs? |
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| 21:36.10 | abrotman | mz_work: i haven't been there in 10+ years ... i thought perhaps you were a regular here some time ago |
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| 21:37.01 | mz_work | nope prolly not me then |
| 21:37.13 | Stromberg | anyone knows why mplayer is not in my synaptic? :S |
| 21:37.23 | Stromberg | its not installed and not on repository :/ |
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| 21:37.26 | dondelelcaro | !mplayer |
| 21:37.26 | dpkg | somebody said mplayer was not packaged by debian for complicated reasons, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. see <mplayer legal saga> |
| 21:37.42 | Stromberg | oh |
| 21:37.42 | Stromberg | thx |
| 21:37.43 | rvsjoen | sgtpepper: the server name error was my fault, I quoted the oper password, and used your config file, I can connect to it just fine |
| 21:38.00 | oliknoli | any good network configuration tutorials?? |
| 21:38.01 | Stromberg | well vlc is fine too |
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| 21:39.31 | tarzeau | oliknoli: man interfaces |
| 21:39.40 | sgtpepper | maybe is that |
| 21:39.43 | sgtpepper | i'll try rvsjoen |
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| 21:40.46 | kingspawn | oliknoli: depends on what you want to do. there are some very informative ones on debian.org and aboutdebian.com |
| 21:42.06 | Yashy | oliknoli: http://www.hackepedia.org/?title=Network_interface might be of use. |
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| 21:43.11 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: do you know where the DSA is for the kernel update? |
| 21:43.14 | tuxedup | this may be a newbie question, but, can anyone suggest any debian books that are particularaly good, regardless of the level of experiance they are aimed at? |
| 21:44.04 | kingspawn | tuxedup: before you buy a book, i would suggest reading all the documentation on www.debian.org - lots of great stuff |
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| 21:44.24 | Rudirogdt | hi all |
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| 21:44.28 | joloc | tuxedup: aptitude install debian-reference; debian-reference |
| 21:45.00 | serfurj | when i configure my wireless using "iwconfig wlan0 key restricted XXX", it works, but when i put the equivalent configuration in /etc/networking/interfaces, i get an error: Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) |
| 21:45.07 | tuxedup | thanks |
| 21:45.12 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: which kernel update? |
| 21:45.26 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: in sarge .. there is now a 2.6.8-3 |
| 21:45.40 | kingspawn | joloc: oh, a beauty i didnt know of! thanks |
| 21:45.41 | Rudirogdt | is there a prebuild berkeley db packet? when I want to compile it by myself i get "configure: error: Berkeley DB should not be built in the top-level or dist directories" i just need the tool "load_db" |
| 21:45.48 | serfurj | anybody know why? |
| 21:46.24 | Coweater | Rudirogdt: make a sub-directory, cd to it and issue build commands from there |
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| 21:47.33 | Coweater | the db package should be available though |
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| 21:48.25 | Rudirogdt | Coweater the source code ist located in /usr/src/db-4.4.20 so I am a little confused with "sub dir." hmmmm which of all is it do you know that? i did "apt-cache search berkeley db" |
| 21:48.26 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: hrm... not sure about that, unless it went in as part of -3 |
| 21:48.30 | dondelelcaro | s/-3/3.1r1 |
| 21:48.49 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: no .. it was today .. or maybe yesterday |
| 21:49.41 | sylvain | why when i do "modprobe rt2500", my wifi interface is eth2 and not for exemple ra0 ? |
| 21:49.50 | rvsjoen | can I make aptitude forget all changes ? |
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| 21:50.34 | Coweater | Rudirogdt: it's not listed as "berkeley db" and it's a pretty standard package, you'd be pressed to find a popular distro without it, look for the db and libdb packages |
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| 21:51.04 | sylvain | udev can intercept "modprobe rt2500" and mount my wifi interface on eth2 ? |
| 21:51.18 | ||cw | Rudirogdt: apt-cache search "Berkeley db" |
| 21:51.45 | ||cw | at least one of the availble versions is probably already installed |
| 21:52.32 | chealer | sylvain: because the standard name for ethernet interfaces is ethN |
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| 21:52.42 | sylvain | chealer, can i change it ? |
| 21:53.05 | spanglesontoast | what does count too high resetting mean? |
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| 21:53.20 | sylvain | chealer, for me, eth2 is my wireless interface ... |
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| 21:53.39 | chealer | sylvain: I suppose you can |
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| 21:53.52 | serfurj | is "wireless_keymode restricted\n wireless_key XXX" the /etc/network/interfaces equivalent of "iwconfig wlan0 key restricted XXX"? |
| 21:53.53 | Nopalin | select avg( ut.value - ut2.value ) from una_tabla as ut left join una_tabla ut2 on (creo un subselect que me regresa un id) = ut2.id ... is this correct? |
| 21:54.05 | sylvain | chealer, do you know how to change it ? |
| 21:54.12 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: perhaps i should ask jeroen ? |
| 21:54.22 | chealer | sylvain: probably with ifrename |
| 21:54.40 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: probably the best bet, because I don't see a DSA for that either. |
| 21:54.58 | jvw | abrotman: context? Or different Jeroen? |
| 21:55.04 | sylvain | chealer, is there another way ? |
| 21:55.05 | abrotman | jvw: do you know anything about the 2.6.8-3 that sarge wants to update to? |
| 21:55.07 | abrotman | jvw: yes you :) |
| 21:55.13 | phaedral | a |
| 21:55.18 | jvw | yes, it's being prepared |
| 21:55.21 | jvw | should be out any time |
| 21:55.23 | chealer | sylvain: perhaps udev rules |
| 21:55.27 | abrotman | jvw: no .. it's there .. but no DSA |
| 21:55.36 | abrotman | jvw: i was trying to *not* highlight you :) |
| 21:55.36 | jvw | ah, cool |
| 21:55.43 | abrotman | no DSA is cool ? |
| 21:55.49 | jvw | you failed, I have a hilight on 'jeroen' |
| 21:55.54 | jvw | no, I mean it's cool it's released |
| 21:55.59 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 21:56.08 | jvw | probably the security team is now verifying the whole lot is on security.d.o -- all related packages etc |
| 21:56.15 | abrotman | gotcha |
| 21:56.18 | FliesLikeABrick | when I try to run rsync on my laptop (to back my laptop up to a server), I use the option --password-file=/path/to/password-file.scrt but it doesn't work, it still prompts me for a password when connecting to the remote server. any tips on why? ;) |
| 21:56.27 | jvw | maybe one of the packages isn't there yet, or not all security.d.o in the round robin are uptodate yet |
| 21:56.37 | jvw | once it's ok, it'll be announced |
| 21:56.47 | abrotman | gotcha |
| 21:56.53 | jvw | a mail isn't sent out while your apt-get update might still be broken |
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| 21:57.19 | abrotman | that's no fun :) |
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| 21:57.26 | serfurj | where can i find the debian documentation on /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 21:57.42 | dondelelcaro | serfurj: man 5 interfaces |
| 21:57.56 | streuner | serfurj: /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/ |
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| 21:58.10 | streuner | serfurj: /msg dpkg interfaces |
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| 21:58.21 | kingspawn | serfurj: general guides are at www.debian.org |
| 21:58.22 | kingspawn | heh |
| 21:58.44 | serfurj | thanks |
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| 21:59.27 | kingspawn | its quite entertaining, in #ubuntu everyone is constantly struggling with getting wine or this cedega-stuff to work |
| 21:59.33 | kingspawn | you switch os, to emulate another |
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| 21:59.46 | demon_bot | haha |
| 22:00.02 | Ronin | *snicker* |
| 22:00.37 | kingspawn | heh |
| 22:00.45 | kingspawn | i guess linux is still l33t |
| 22:00.46 | jvw | abrotman, dondelelcaro: it's just done |
| 22:00.54 | abrotman | jvw: ah ok .. thank you |
| 22:01.07 | jvw | 10553 N Mar23 22 Moritz Muehlenh ( 68K) [SECURITY] [DSA 1017-1] New Linux kernel 2.6.8 packages fix several vulnerabilities |
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| 22:01.15 | petemc | kingspawn: most likely there are apps, or even more likely, games they still want to use/play - nothing wrong with that.. |
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| 22:01.23 | abrotman | hehe .. i just realized i'm still running 2.4 on some machines ... |
| 22:01.37 | kingspawn | petemc: i agree, but then i would dual boot, instead of the eternal hassle of emulating another os |
| 22:01.38 | debiankid | hello |
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| 22:01.53 | debiankid | is there a way to backup delete files on debian ? |
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| 22:02.10 | debiankid | i mean is there exist a temp folder? recycled bin |
| 22:02.14 | tarzeau | abrotman: soon i've got 1000: [22:57] [E [Act: 19,38,122,128,140,225,342,344,350,352,366,367,410,436,453,456,467,468,536,555,601,726,806,835,851,877,882,884,886,892,902,906,907,908,909,911,913,914] |
| 22:02.20 | abrotman | wtf |
| 22:02.25 | abrotman | oh |
| 22:02.39 | kingspawn | debiankid: i guess that depends entirely on your configuration, but i believe the general answer is: no |
| 22:02.54 | petemc | !win tarzeau |
| 22:02.54 | dpkg | Congratulations, tarzeau! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 22:02.58 | tarzeau | abrotman: don't try that with xchat |
| 22:03.01 | debiankid | kingspawn uff |
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| 22:03.04 | abrotman | tarzeau: i could |
| 22:03.17 | kingspawn | debiankid: :| |
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| 22:03.32 | Rudirogdt | ok i installed a few berkeley db related packets and it works... no i am trying to solf my virtual user vsftpd problem ^^ |
| 22:03.43 | ||cw | debiankid: kde and gnome have "trash" folders, but the OS itself does not. Windows also implements such a thing and the file manager level, not the core os |
| 22:03.44 | dondelelcaro | debiankid: apt-get install libtrash; and preload it if you want something like that... |
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| 22:04.49 | ||cw | dondelelcaro: so that hooks intot he filesystem? |
| 22:04.51 | diegueus9 | hello |
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| 22:05.12 | FliesLikeABrick | !tell diegueus9 about ask |
| 22:05.26 | dondelelcaro | ||cw: no, it presumably preloads to block unlink in libc6. |
| 22:05.33 | diegueus9 | somebody know how cinfugre a videocamar JVC GR-D73 in debian stable? |
| 22:05.55 | diegueus9 | *configure |
| 22:05.57 | ||cw | diegueus9: config how |
| 22:06.03 | ||cw | is it usb or firewire? |
| 22:06.07 | diegueus9 | usb |
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| 22:06.58 | phaedral | is it reasonable that k9copy will work better in kde than gnome? |
| 22:07.01 | diegueus9 | is it usb |
| 22:07.06 | phaedral | starts without errors in kde |
| 22:07.17 | bighorn | anyone know how to setup ifscheme? |
| 22:07.38 | ||cw | die-Sel: is it supported by gtkam? I'm going to guess it's not a mass stoarge device |
| 22:07.41 | ||cw | er |
| 22:07.45 | diegueus9 | lsusb reports: Bus 003 Device 007: ID 04f1:000a Victor Company of Japan, Ltd GR-D72 Digital Video Camera |
| 22:07.46 | ||cw | diegueus9: ^ |
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| 22:08.23 | tarzeau | abrotman: like chocolate bunnies? |
| 22:08.35 | ||cw | diegueus9: usb video cams require special software and drivers. if gtkam doens't support it, you're SOL |
| 22:08.54 | ||cw | diegueus9: if it has a firewaire port, then it can used because that's a standard protocol |
| 22:08.59 | FliesLikeABrick | diegueus9 or at least SOL for now, until support for it shows up ;) |
| 22:09.08 | karma | I am looking for some help with getting qpopper to run stand alone... it is getting too many requests and is refusing connections |
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| 22:09.16 | hans0lo | \quit |
| 22:09.19 | tarzeau | karma: tried teapop yet? |
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| 22:09.22 | tarzeau | HaCKeT|FiZZ: / |
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| 22:10.22 | karma | tarzeau: nope..... how easy would the swap be.. I have a ton us users and want the fix to be as painless for them as it can be |
| 22:10.25 | HaCKeT|FiZZ | tarzeau: yes ? |
| 22:10.44 | tarzeau | karma: after alot of security bugs, i just switched to teapop. easily, matter of minutes |
| 22:10.53 | tarzeau | HaCKeT|FiZZ: wrong tab completion, don't bother |
| 22:10.57 | tarzeau | !nickometer HaCKeT|FiZZ |
| 22:10.59 | dpkg | 'HaCKeT|FiZZ' is 98.340% lame, tarzeau |
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| 22:11.20 | Annirak | I have kde installed, and I'm trying to get remote access to X working. I've enabled XDMCP, and set Xaccess to *. kdm is listening, but I can't connect. I think it's because it's listening on udp6:177. How can I either enable ipv6 mapped ipv4 or get kdm to listen on udp:177? |
| 22:11.23 | wols | karma: do it well and install an imap server |
| 22:11.24 | jerome | hum, xfs_grow is pretty freaky to use. Makes me feel a bit strange to delete the partition I want to grow. |
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| 22:12.00 | karma | tarzeau: that would be great... this has been driving me crazy... got some pointers |
| 22:12.21 | FliesLikeABrick | !nickometer FliesLikeABrick |
| 22:12.22 | dpkg | 'FliesLikeABrick' is 14.000% lame, flieslikeabrick |
| 22:12.25 | tarzeau | karma: install it, read /usr/share/doch/teapop |
| 22:12.29 | PerfDave | Hmm, I'm using an odd, small form factor keyboard and my pipe key isn't working. Any idea how I can get it to work? I'm using KDE if that helps. |
| 22:12.31 | tarzeau | s,h,,2 |
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| 22:12.47 | FliesLikeABrick | PerfDave have you verified that it is not a hardware issue? |
| 22:12.53 | PerfDave | FliesLikeABrick: Yes |
| 22:13.03 | NEMESIS | hello |
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| 22:13.25 | erhanr | hello there |
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| 22:14.06 | Skrot | Hi. How can I tell my harddrive not to go into standby mode, ever? I've tried "hdparm -S0 /dev/hda" but it still goes to standby.. |
| 22:14.32 | tr4ck3ur | ... hum i'v got a little problem to configure my bt848 on sarge, i can access to the tv capture, but i can't configure any channels ... xaw-tv ask me to try manual configuration with v4l-conf -a <addr>... but i don't now the <addr> parameter... anyone can give me a link to refer ? |
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| 22:15.13 | Annirak | !nickometer Annirak |
| 22:15.15 | dpkg | 'Annirak' is 0.000% lame, annirak |
| 22:15.20 | Annirak | woot |
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| 22:15.22 | tr4ck3ur | it's a bt848A |
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| 22:15.56 | diegueus9 | how, i know if has a firewire port? |
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| 22:16.23 | wols | diegueus9: lspci -v |
| 22:16.24 | grepHELP | Hello! |
| 22:16.32 | grepHELP | I have a semi Debian related question. |
| 22:16.38 | FliesLikeABrick | !tell grepHELP about ask |
| 22:16.42 | FliesLikeABrick | wols he is asking how he would know if his video camera has a firewire port |
| 22:16.49 | grepHELP | I'll test. |
| 22:16.51 | NEMESIS | Who here is from Colombia ? |
| 22:16.54 | FliesLikeABrick | diegueus9 look closely at the camera and read the manual for the camera |
| 22:16.56 | grepHELP | !tell grepHELP about ask |
| 22:17.35 | erhanr | >topic |
| 22:18.00 | tr4ck3ur | ... |
| 22:18.01 | erhanr | !beer |
| 22:18.01 | dpkg | somebody said beer was liquid gold mate |
| 22:18.19 | erhanr | :P |
| 22:18.30 | wols | I'm sure someone said the same about piss... |
| 22:19.26 | abrotman | tarzeau: no |
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| 22:19.27 | grepHELP | I want to use grep to search for a value which is larger than a billion (1,234,567,890) within a text file and output that into a file. Anyone have a quick response to that? |
| 22:19.27 | diegueus9 | nemesis, me |
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| 22:19.48 | NEMESIS | hello diegueus9 |
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| 22:20.18 | JKnife | how do i get info of X11R7 from Dpkg? |
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| 22:20.53 | Annirak | Where can I disable IPV6_V6ONLY? |
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| 22:20.59 | wols | JKnife: restate your question, causedr now it doesn't make much sense |
| 22:21.02 | diegueus9 | hello NEMESIS |
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| 22:21.30 | JKnife | wols: how do i get dpkg to tell me of X11R7 |
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| 22:21.40 | Ens | how do i delete all rules i have set on interface eth0 using the command tc, so that i can start 'fresh' |
| 22:21.42 | lemurek | hello all |
| 22:21.50 | hinosaki | hi you all |
| 22:21.56 | wols | JKnife: apt-cache search X11 |
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| 22:22.02 | derjohn | Can I set "/sys/block/sda/queue/scheduler" values in some startup sctipt? sysctl.conf seems not to be for /sys , but only /proc/sys ... |
| 22:22.10 | JKnife | wols: no not apt-get |
| 22:22.12 | JKnife | dpkg: |
| 22:22.17 | JKnife | !hi |
| 22:22.17 | dpkg | hello, jknife |
| 22:22.17 | wols | but there is no R7 in debian repositories. and there never will be in sarge |
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| 22:22.28 | JKnife | wols: who said i was in sarge? |
| 22:22.36 | wols | no one |
| 22:22.40 | grepHELP | Nothing for grep? Is there is a better server/channel to ask in? |
| 22:22.42 | JKnife | ok then |
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| 22:22.48 | wols | and your question sucks. clearly state what you want |
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| 22:23.22 | Ens | nobody used tc here? |
| 22:23.42 | JKnife | wols: ok.. when will the SID pkg for X11R7 be ready |
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| 22:23.51 | wols | when its ready,duh |
| 22:23.56 | JKnife | fuck you |
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| 22:23.59 | stew | JKnife: /msg dpkg wir ; /msg dpkg siyh |
| 22:24.21 | stew | my lord |
| 22:24.25 | erhanr | man dpkg |
| 22:24.26 | buu | How cute! |
| 22:24.29 | wols | is it sunday yet? |
| 22:24.44 | FliesLikeABrick | wols play nice |
| 22:24.47 | erhanr | dpkg -I blabla... |
| 22:24.58 | wols | FliesLikeABrick: I didn't call others names |
| 22:25.02 | lemurek | what should i install in debian if i want to have graphical interface from debian in other OS ? |
| 22:25.06 | Ens | tc delete eth0 * ? |
| 22:25.14 | FliesLikeABrick | agreed wols, but you weren't the most courteous of people either :-/ |
| 22:25.21 | Ens | tc qdisc eth0 delete * ? |
| 22:25.24 | wols | lemurek: xclients |
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| 22:25.58 | lemurek | wols: thanks, ill check it :) |
| 22:26.06 | wols | FliesLikeABrick: did you understand what he asked? I didn't understand his question and I assume noe one else does it either |
| 22:26.14 | hinosaki | I go to sleep, goodnight |
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| 22:26.35 | FliesLikeABrick | yes wols but what is better: "your question isn't clear, can you be more specific" or "your question sucks" |
| 22:26.55 | wols | lemurek: your question was a bit unclear. e.g if you want to display xchat elsewhere it's enough to install x-chat and use a remote x server to display it |
| 22:26.59 | Ens | FliesLikeABrick, have you used tc or tcng by any chance? |
| 22:27.00 | RaZoR-- | how to cange to unstable? |
| 22:27.11 | wols | 23:21 < wols> JKnife: restate your question, causedr now it doesn't make much sense |
| 22:27.13 | FliesLikeABrick | no Ens but I was just reading about it with hope of answering your question. |
| 22:27.14 | stew | RaZoR--: /msg dpkg iyhtays |
| 22:27.18 | pipeline | lemurek: Just install your graphical interface normally in debian. You will then need to install gdm or kdm and enable XDMCP. |
| 22:27.32 | wols | what's what I first said. admittedly it has typos, but it is what you wanted no? |
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| 22:27.50 | Ens | FliesLikeABrick: i have googled far and wide, and found many a guide as to how to make rules and manipulate stuff, but no way of clearing what i add :/ |
| 22:27.59 | FliesLikeABrick | yeah wols you're right, it isn't my place to criticize either. my apologies |
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| 22:28.29 | RaZoR-- | stew long time seens i been around debian... helping out a friend in need |
| 22:28.33 | lemurek | i want use an old computer as client that only display somehow from debian serwer over the lan |
| 22:28.50 | wols | lemurek: ltsp.org is a good place |
| 22:29.04 | GoAuLd | lemurek: apt-cache search vnc |
| 22:29.22 | wols | vnc sucks. HARD |
| 22:29.36 | wols | it's better than nothing especially crossplatform, but that's all it's good for |
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| 22:29.49 | GoAuLd | wols: u know someone better? |
| 22:29.53 | pipeline | lemurek: You need an X server on the old computer. |
| 22:30.01 | pipeline | lemurek: the GUI programs running on the debian server are called "X clients" |
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| 22:30.05 | GoAuLd | better than vnc i will glad to check it out |
| 22:30.08 | wols | GoAuLd: http://ltsp.org/ |
| 22:30.12 | pipeline | lemurek: the display on the remote system, the old computer, is the "X server" |
| 22:30.15 | GoAuLd | ok |
| 22:30.17 | pipeline | GoAuLd: Everything under the sun is better than VNC :P |
| 22:30.23 | pipeline | GoAuLd: VNC essentially sends raw images over the wire |
| 22:30.32 | wols | it doesn't do everything, as I said, vnc has it's places, but rarely |
| 22:30.40 | RaZoR-- | what is what when ppl talk about sid/etch? |
| 22:30.51 | Yoric | I have a XOrg problem. |
| 22:30.53 | AddProblem | ... hum i'v got a little problem to configure my bt848 on sarge, i can access to the tv capture, but i can't configure any channels ... xaw-tv ask me to try manual configuration with v4l-conf -a <addr>... but i don't now the <addr> parameter... anyone can give me a link to refer ? or something else .. |
| 22:30.54 | pipeline | RaZoR--: The current release is Sarge. The next release is Etch. |
| 22:30.59 | Yoric | "No devices detected" |
| 22:31.00 | wols | pipeline: we can assume rightvnc or realvnc of course. still sucks but sucks at least compressed |
| 22:31.00 | FliesLikeABrick | RaZoR-- etch is testing, for the next release. sid is the name for the constant unstable version |
| 22:31.03 | Yoric | "no screens found" |
| 22:31.05 | stew | RaZoR--: http://debian.org/releases |
| 22:31.07 | pipeline | RaZoR--: "Sid" is unstable -- it will always be "Sid", it will always be "unstable", it will never be released. |
| 22:31.11 | Yoric | I do have a screen, I promise. |
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| 22:31.13 | lemurek | the old computer is 486 100mhz what kind of software you suggest ? |
| 22:31.13 | pipeline | Yoric: Means Xorg is configured incorrectly. |
| 22:31.18 | liable | Yoric: so reconfigure x |
| 22:31.23 | pipeline | lemurek: I would install Windows 95 and X-win32. |
| 22:31.27 | wols | Yoric: your config is wrong then. dpkg-reconfigure your x server |
| 22:31.34 | pipeline | lemurek: the LTSP thing someone linked to would also be a good choice. |
| 22:31.35 | wols | pipeline: no. cygwin xfree |
| 22:31.39 | Yoric | pipeline, liable, wols : tried. |
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| 22:31.46 | pipeline | Yoric: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg && dexconf -o /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 22:31.47 | Yoric | dpkg-reconfigure cannot detect my screen. |
| 22:31.48 | sambrista | hello. I have an C54RU USB Wireless card, version 2. I downloaded the drivers and under my 2.6 kernel it runs well, but when i want to compile it under my 2.4 kernel, it shows lots and lots of errors and warnings. Can anyone help me? |
| 22:31.52 | liable | Yoric: well, get it right next time :) |
| 22:31.53 | wols | Yoric: then you didn't try often enough, sorry |
| 22:31.54 | Yoric | oh, forgot the dexconf, though |
| 22:32.04 | Yoric | I beg your pardon ? |
| 22:32.04 | sambrista | the chipset is suposed to be RT73 |
| 22:32.06 | pipeline | wols, lemurek : Oh, wols has a good point. You can use xming instead of x-win32 if you install windows on the thing. |
| 22:32.10 | RaZoR-- | pipeline, FliesLikeABrick, Stew tank you |
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| 22:32.20 | RaZoR-- | *thank you |
| 22:32.24 | pipeline | lemurek: At any rate, a 486 is plenty fast, it's just a memory issue. UNIX runs like shit without much RAM, whereas windows 95 will run like a champ :P |
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| 22:32.28 | FliesLikeABrick | jerome maintain proper backups and you'll always breathe easy ;) |
| 22:32.31 | pipeline | jerome: XFS growth is 100%, totally reliable. |
| 22:32.37 | pipeline | jerome: It's the shrinking that should make you catch your breath :P |
| 22:32.46 | Ens | oh if any debian developers want some obscure hardware for developing the less popular distros on i.e. m68k, ancient sun boxes, gimme a shout. |
| 22:33.04 | jerome | pipeline: well, deleting the partitions is always, you know, kinda stressing |
| 22:33.06 | pipeline | Ens: How ancient? |
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| 22:33.44 | Yoric | liable, just exactly what frequency should I invent for a laptop ? |
| 22:33.44 | jerome | FliesLikeABrick: well, I backup up everything a week ago on a usb disk. Wouldn't fancy restoring it. But that's ok :) |
| 22:34.05 | wols | jerome: nah. it's only a single sector, so no biggue |
| 22:34.07 | wols | just write down the numbers before you actually delete the partition |
| 22:34.14 | PerfDave | Ens: You may want to offer on the debian-devel mailing list rather than IRC, you'll reach more interested parties that way. |
| 22:34.15 | wols | so you can recreate it easily if something goes wrong :) |
| 22:34.17 | Ens | blade 100 and blade 150s |
| 22:34.29 | lemurek | and if i will have x-win32, on debian side i should install ltsp ? |
| 22:34.31 | Ens | and an amiga 4000 |
| 22:34.34 | FliesLikeABrick | yeah, its not as much the partition resizing that could screw you over as much as the filesystem resizing could |
| 22:34.47 | liable | Yoric: if its saying no screens found, its your video driver that is wrong. |
| 22:34.49 | moshii | Ens: will that run debian.. no mmu? |
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| 22:35.05 | pipeline | Ens: Oh, a blade 100 isn't really ancient. That's actually a pretty darn new machine :P |
| 22:35.10 | Ens | moshii, which, the amiga or blades? |
| 22:35.13 | pipeline | moshii: A4000's have MMUs. |
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| 22:35.19 | moshii | Ens: the amiga |
| 22:35.27 | Ens | yeah it's running debian testing now |
| 22:35.30 | moshii | pipeline: really? I thought they were 030 and 040 |
| 22:35.39 | lemurek | sory for lame question, but what is method to scroll screen on bithx |
| 22:35.42 | Ens | yeah it's 040, but it has an mmu :) |
| 22:35.44 | pipeline | moshii: They are. But they held obscene amounts of memory, and they had MMUs :P |
| 22:35.46 | Yoric | liable, noted. |
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| 22:35.59 | liable | Yoric: did you try vesa? |
| 22:35.59 | Yoric | liable, there's exactly one video driver which should be able to match my card, though. |
| 22:35.59 | jerome | wols: I'm pretty confident in such an old time tool for a reliable fs, but anyway, deleting a partition is not something I like much :) |
| 22:36.04 | moshii | pipeline: my 1200 has 128meg :) |
| 22:36.04 | Yoric | liable, not yet. |
| 22:36.09 | Ens | i've actually got a pci bus with a voodoo3 and realtek 8029as in it, pretty sweet |
| 22:36.13 | pipeline | Ens: If you want to mail me a Blade 150, I'd appreciate it, but I'd probably use it to port Mono rather than Debian :P |
| 22:36.14 | liable | Yoric: try that. |
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| 22:36.22 | pipeline | moshii: How can you use 128M of RAM without an MMU? o_0 |
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| 22:36.35 | moshii | pipeline: I have a 040 and a 603e ppc |
| 22:37.04 | pipeline | lemurek: nah, LTSP is a linux-in-a-can for use on the display side of things. |
| 22:37.06 | Yoric | liable, ok, Vesa works. |
| 22:37.11 | moshii | pipeline: I didn't think anything in AmigaOs really made use of mmu's |
| 22:37.12 | liable | Yoric: right. |
| 22:37.14 | pipeline | lemurek: You don't have to worry about Xming if you have X-win32. |
| 22:37.26 | Yoric | liable, I wouldn't mind using the "right" driver, though. |
| 22:37.31 | pipeline | moshii: I think it'll still get used for high-speed I/O. Or, under SVR4. |
| 22:37.40 | Ens | well if you find anyone who's interested drop me a memo anyway ;) |
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| 22:38.13 | liable | Yoric: well, it appears it doesnt work? google i guess. |
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| 22:38.30 | Yoric | liable, yeah, I'll google again, I guess. |
| 22:38.32 | Yoric | Thanks. |
| 22:38.55 | liable | Yoric: google the lspci from it. |
| 22:39.11 | moshii | pipeline: high speed i/o on an amiga.. the standard serial port is seriously poo |
| 22:39.14 | Yoric | lspci is strangely mute on this subject. |
| 22:39.24 | liable | Yoric: update-pciids |
| 22:39.33 | Yoric | Oh ? |
| 22:39.35 | Yoric | Is that a package ? |
| 22:39.40 | ifvoid | can anyone recommend a nice music player with collection and playlist and lyrics support? |
| 22:39.42 | liable | its a command |
| 22:39.46 | Yoric | ifvoid, amarok |
| 22:39.47 | lemurek | pipeline: excuse me, but i have noise in my mind :), and i dont know how to scroll the bithx in console ;-), could you repeat what should i install when i have X-win32 on my 486? |
| 22:39.48 | moshii | ifvoid: amarok |
| 22:39.59 | ifvoid | Yoric, moshii: nope, doesn't work |
| 22:40.00 | Yoric | liable, I assume it needs a net access ? |
| 22:40.01 | liable | Yoric: it updates your lspci info |
| 22:40.07 | liable | Yoric: yeah |
| 22:40.09 | ifvoid | the gstreamer plugin has been removes |
| 22:40.11 | Yoric | ok, then brb |
| 22:40.13 | erudified | Where is the password database for mysql-server-4.1 in sarge stored? |
| 22:40.15 | ifvoid | and the xine engine just crashes here |
| 22:40.17 | moshii | liable: use the xine plugin instead |
| 22:40.24 | tarzeau | ifvoid: opencubicplayer |
| 22:40.25 | Ens | the m68k first install cd didn't have a kernel image when i got it last :x |
| 22:40.29 | moshii | ifvoid: ah, used to do that on mine.. k7 box? |
| 22:40.40 | ifvoid | moshii: amd64 |
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| 22:41.11 | moshii | ifvoid: the xine engine used to crash on my k7, but not on my p4.. maybe it's an amd thing, anyways the beta2 in experimental works |
| 22:41.30 | ifvoid | moshii: it's the beta that crashes here |
| 22:41.44 | ifvoid | tarzeau: that doesn't seem to be available in sid/amd64 |
| 22:41.59 | tarzeau | ifvoid: true. what about you port it? |
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| 22:43.30 | vook | anyone know how I can get command line "cdplay" to play off of /dev/hdd? It says no disc, but there is a disc, and it is /dev/hdd. I'm guessing gnome and/or dbus/udev is involved. |
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| 22:44.50 | evaded | vook: Use "play" or so?? |
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| 22:45.53 | pzn | Hi! I'd like to run "xlock" automatically when user does not move mouse/keyboard after 5 minutes. does anyone know how? thanks in advance |
| 22:46.04 | Yoric | liable, ok, info updated, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg tried just in case, no change. |
| 22:46.06 | reind | how man i suppress all emails from a crontab file, or from a specific line in a crontab ? |
| 22:46.14 | BadMan | hey all I am trying to keep out the uncessary stuff from this laptop, like the bloated extras of a full install of kde etc.. I was wondering if there was a list from a base isntall(no x enviroment) to getting kde up and going. |
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| 22:46.37 | moshii | reind: I think you use MAILTO="" at the top of your crontab |
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| 22:47.15 | moshii | BadMan: aptitude install kde-core |
| 22:47.28 | moshii | BadMan: aptitude install x-window-system-core |
| 22:47.34 | tarzeau | abrotman: caterinli.meinbild.ch sweet? |
| 22:47.36 | kronoz | anyone know what default prefix the mplayer package in contrib/non-ree (mplayer-586) uses? |
| 22:47.44 | BadMan | basically I want an xserver(prefer 3.3.6) a very fast window manager and of course moshi, kde-core |
| 22:47.50 | tarzeau | kronoz: /usr ? |
| 22:47.59 | pipeline | BadMan: I'm afraid there's no such thing as a fast X server. |
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| 22:48.02 | pzn | reind, if you put "* * * * * your_command > /dev/null" it will redirect the command stdout to null, so it won't generate mails, unless tue program exits with error. |
| 22:48.03 | moshii | BadMan: 3.3.6? |
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| 22:48.09 | vook | evaded, something is preventing me from accessing /dev/hdd directly. I can't even access it with dd |
| 22:48.10 | abrotman | i've seen worse :) |
| 22:48.12 | pipeline | BadMan: And Xf86 3 is inadvisable, in this day and age. |
| 22:48.21 | tarzeau | abrotman: this one? doubel-house-lady.meinbild.ch |
| 22:48.24 | pipeline | BadMan: If you really, really need a fast X server, go with XiG |
| 22:48.28 | BadMan | moshii: yeah this laptop is nasty old.. p166 witha trident 1mb video card |
| 22:48.33 | evaded | vook: 'hdd' is been the CD ROM drive ? |
| 22:48.50 | ootput | would anyone recommend an apple laptop for debian installation? |
| 22:48.52 | moshii | BadMan: xorg will be fine |
| 22:48.53 | pipeline | BadMan: Heh, you're going to be stuck in X's VESA mode, I expect. And will KDE even run in pseudocolor modes? You'll probably be stuck in grayscale :( |
| 22:48.55 | abrotman | tarzeau: i'm not into tons of piercings |
| 22:49.00 | vook | evaded, but fluffy gnome programs such as Sound Juicer work. Yes, hdd is the cdrom drive. eject /dev/hdd works. |
| 22:49.06 | abrotman | tarzeau: nice car though :) |
| 22:49.16 | pipeline | ootput: I'd take debian over OSX on an Apple laptop. The stupid one-button trackpad is an annoyance, though. |
| 22:49.26 | tarzeau | abrotman: you can have the car, i'll take the girl :) |
| 22:49.34 | abrotman | works for me |
| 22:49.35 | kronoz | tarzeau: sorry, i discribed it wrong, i meant the prefix for it's codecs, which is like /usr/lib/codecs or /usr/local/lib/codecs /usr/lib/win32/ |
| 22:49.36 | evaded | vook: I supose you are been in the "audio" group, just to cite |
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| 22:49.37 | BadMan | pipeline: supposedly using xserver svga a gent running woody had no problems using 3.3.6 and getting 800x600 @ 16bpp |
| 22:49.50 | vook | evaded, yep, it's not a permissions issue |
| 22:49.53 | evaded | vook: As root user, work it? |
| 22:49.58 | vook | evaded, nope |
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| 22:50.06 | pipeline | BadMan: Well, you should be able to get 800x600 and 16bpp via VESA, but shit, 1M of memory isn't much to work with. |
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| 22:50.26 | BadMan | I know.... but I hate having windows on anything.... |
| 22:50.35 | pipeline | BadMan: How much RAM does it have? |
| 22:50.42 | evaded | vook: Sure there are actual nothing that take the control of the CD drive, like another program, verify with "ps aux" or so |
| 22:50.43 | BadMan | im not alinux guru by any means .. |
| 22:50.51 | tarzeau | !noob |
| 22:50.51 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 22:50.51 | BadMan | 64mb ram and 128mb swap currently |
| 22:51.06 | ootput | pipeline: that's ok, i'll probably be using ratpoison most of the time anyway |
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| 22:51.17 | pipeline | BadMan: Oh, you'll be fine. Install the regular X distribution, run it in VESA mode, with either 16 bpp color or 8bpp grayscale. If you need help with grayscale modes, just drop me a line. |
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| 22:51.50 | BadMan | ok... |
| 22:51.58 | turry | buonasera a tutti |
| 22:52.11 | tarzeau | turry: buona notte |
| 22:52.12 | stew | !it |
| 22:52.12 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
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| 22:52.37 | lemurek | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.54 | tarzeau | !nxserver |
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| 22:53.02 | stew | !freenx |
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| 22:53.02 | dpkg | well, freenx is a Free implementation of the nomachine.com caching system for X, RDP and VNC, based on their GPLd libraries. packages for sarge: "deb http://www.linux.lk/~anuradha/nx/ ./" packages for etch/sid: "deb ftp://ftp.ekhis.org/ekhis/ experimental main" |
| 22:53.27 | vook | evaded, gnome has taken control of the cd-rom drive. That's what I'm trying to get across. I'd just like to find a way to access the drive directly from a terminal within gnome while still maintaining the functionality gnome is providing. I'm seeking info as to how I may do that, if it is at all possible. |
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| 22:54.27 | stew | vook: does a /dev/cdrom symlink exist? |
| 22:54.33 | evaded | vook: Sorry, i not know how to :-/ I would like to help you, but if i have not the knowledge of it ... :-/ |
| 22:55.09 | evaded | vook: Follow stew, a great one ;-) |
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| 22:55.21 | Ens | !tc |
| 22:55.21 | dpkg | methinks tc is the Debian Test Cycle Trafic Control, a program for defining QoS rules in 2.4 (backported?), or in iproute package. Alternatively Top Cat, or Turbo C. |
| 22:55.31 | starfishy | why does zeroconf assign me a 169.154.x.x address after the system receives a valid dhcp address? |
| 22:55.40 | starfishy | and can this behavior be fixed? |
| 22:55.40 | vook | evaded, stew, thanks for trying! stew, it's not a symlink issue, |
| 22:55.48 | tarzeau | starfishy: broken dhcpd? |
| 22:55.53 | weasel00 | installing phpmyadmin, where is the file that ihave to modify for the directory alias to work for apache? |
| 22:55.55 | stew | vook: strace it? |
| 22:55.55 | tarzeau | starfishy: broken network cable? |
| 22:56.03 | starfishy | no, dhcp works |
| 22:56.06 | pzn | Hi! I'd like to run "xlock" automatically when user does not move mouse/keyboard after 5 minutes. does anyone know how? |
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| 22:56.14 | petemc | starfishy: how are you verifying dhcp works? |
| 22:56.16 | starfishy | i get the correct address, netmask, router etc |
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| 22:56.32 | starfishy | i check the interface configuration after the dchp process |
| 22:56.37 | starfishy | against the intended config |
| 22:56.39 | pipeline | pzn: I think xscreensaver will do that for you. |
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| 22:56.47 | starfishy | when i remove zeroconf i get the correct data |
| 22:56.47 | petemc | starfishy: with ifconfig? |
| 22:56.48 | pm_ | any one can tell me a simple and easy to set-up email server? |
| 22:56.50 | Hessophanes | starfishy: That's just the way zeroconf works. Zeroconf doesn't care what IPs other tools may have assigned to an interface... |
| 22:56.50 | starfishy | yes |
| 22:56.50 | stew | starfishy: i'd check /usr/share/doc/zeroconf but it might not be possible to disable it. hopefully soon it will at least not show up as the current address in ifconfig |
| 22:56.58 | Ens | !dpkg tc is an arcane program with little-to-no documentation, the implementation of tc rules varies from hard to fathom to completely and utterly opaque and is incomplete in critical places, like how to remove a rule after it's been added. |
| 22:56.58 | dpkg | ...but tc is already something else... |
| 22:57.04 | tarzeau | pm_: exim? postfix? |
| 22:57.06 | stew | starfishy: btw, "ip addr" will list all of the addresses |
| 22:57.09 | Ens | !dpkg forget tc |
| 22:57.09 | dpkg | i forgot tc, Ens |
| 22:57.11 | Ens | !dpkg tc is an arcane program with little-to-no documentation, the implementation of tc rules varies from hard to fathom to completely and utterly opaque and is incomplete in critical places, like how to remove a rule after it's been added. |
| 22:57.11 | dpkg | okay, Ens |
| 22:57.11 | bleaked | if one has an nvidia card..is it worth using the proprietary driver from nvidia..or will vesa or nv do just fine? (like, are there features, speed/rendering improvements, etc) |
| 22:57.14 | Ens | there |
| 22:57.20 | starfishy | stew, Hessophanes, thanks |
| 22:57.27 | stew | Ens: stop |
| 22:57.38 | pzn | pipeline, I don't want an screensaver running... will I have to configure xscreensaver to use a blank screen? |
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| 22:57.51 | moshii | bleaked: use the nvidia driver if you want hardware GL etc |
| 22:58.01 | vook | stew, ok, strace dumped out some gibberish. I ran it as root, but I'm getting a permission denied message. I can dump the output in #flood |
| 22:58.02 | moshii | bleaked: and hardware surfaces etc |
| 22:58.03 | BadMan | is it possible to watch a ssh session, on one box that was ssh'd into i.e. the laptop I am working on from my desktop via ssh, but I want to be able to open another tty on the laptop when Iam in th e room and see my status of installing items... |
| 22:58.05 | pipeline | pzn: Heh, I think a blank screensaver is the default. If you don't install the t"xscreensaver-hacks" package or whatever it won't do anything. |
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| 22:58.16 | stew | vook: permission denied to which file? |
| 22:58.18 | petemc | BadMan: screen -x |
| 22:58.20 | tarzeau | i need someone to try to reproduce bugs.debian.org/327381 any takers? |
| 22:58.22 | moshii | bleaked: use screen and attach |
| 22:58.30 | stew | vook: strace produces too much stuff for flood, a pastebin maybe? |
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| 22:58.46 | BadMan | petemc: thx |
| 22:58.48 | vook | stew, This was the first line of the strace --->> execve("/dev/hdd", ["/dev/hdd"], [/* 34 vars */]) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied) |
| 22:59.02 | stew | !no tc is the Debian Test Cycle Trafic Control, a program for defining QoS rules in 2.4 (backported?), or in iproute package. Alternatively Top Cat, or Turbo C |
| 22:59.02 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 22:59.09 | GoAuLd | cat /sys/block/hda/queue/scheduler gives me "noop [cfq]" is this right or is convenient to activate another disk scheduler in the kernel? |
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| 22:59.21 | deego | anyone able to upgrade kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 ? my machine seems to want to keep the previous version |
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| 22:59.31 | ranger | is there a gui server admin tool or anything of the sort? |
| 22:59.33 | bleaked | moshii. ok, well this system is 733MHz..so hardware gfx would help. i have not used screen or attach..are there any good resources on how to properly implement them? |
| 22:59.34 | pipeline | GoAuLd: Well, cfq and noop are the best schedulers, so I wouldn't worry about the other ones not being present. |
| 22:59.38 | vook | stew, strace only dumped about 8 lines |
| 22:59.39 | tarzeau | RaZoR--: xterm |
| 22:59.49 | stew | vook: what does "ls -l /dev/hdd" say? |
| 22:59.51 | tarzeau | fedya: xterm. no |
| 22:59.57 | pipeline | bleaked: The "nv" driver is plenty fast for normal stuff. No OpenGL, though. |
| 22:59.57 | stew | vook: are you in the cdrom group? |
| 23:00.00 | GoAuLd | pipeline; ok thanks |
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| 23:00.10 | moshii | bleaked: sorry screen/attach was meant for someone else |
| 23:00.11 | liable | Yoric: yeah, update-pciids only updates you lspci info, so know you should have some details for your card. |
| 23:00.19 | stew | vook: (and have you logged out and back in since adding yourself to that group) |
| 23:00.33 | moshii | bleaked: you need to install module-assistant |
| 23:00.33 | deego | should i switch to 2.6.8-3? |
| 23:00.34 | ootput | would anyone happen to know how to bind C-n to opera's 'create new tab' |
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| 23:00.46 | ootput | rather than the C-t that was recently introduced |
| 23:00.49 | pipeline | ootput: So I'm not the only one who got confused by that. |
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| 23:00.54 | moshii | bleaked: build the nvidia driver in there, and then install the nvidia glx bits |
| 23:00.54 | vook | brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 22, 64 2005-09-26 04:11 /dev/hdd - it's not a permissions issue |
| 23:01.10 | moshii | pipeline: try mame on the nv driver :( |
| 23:01.14 | stew | vook: it clearly is a permissions issue. are you in the cdrom group? |
| 23:01.23 | pipeline | moshii: Mame should be fine on the nv dirver. |
| 23:01.24 | weasel00 | !pastebin |
| 23:01.24 | dpkg | pastebin is probably a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or check out http://securelabs.zapto.org/~pureone/src/pastebin.c if your stuck in console only |
| 23:01.29 | ootput | pipeline: really annoying |
| 23:01.51 | vook | stew, if it's owned by root, and root can't access it, it's not a permissions issue |
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| 23:02.04 | bleaked | moshii. well, i already have it working on this system..but i have another system i'm installing today and well, i guess i was curious if i should even bother with the nvidia driver. |
| 23:02.10 | stew | vook: so the error you are getting is "permission denied", but you don't think it's a permissions issue? |
| 23:02.22 | jknife | i'm having problems with PAT |
| 23:02.36 | vook | stew, not a file permissions issue, but rather that something else is in control of the device. |
| 23:02.37 | moshii | pipeline: get 17fps with the nv driver here |
| 23:02.50 | chealer | deego: what's 2.6.8-3? |
| 23:02.54 | stew | vook: oh, wiat, execve("/dev/hdd", ["/dev/hdd... its trying to /dev/hdd |
| 23:03.01 | stew | vook: what command did you strace? |
| 23:03.03 | jknife | chealer: a kernel version |
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| 23:03.17 | deego | chealer: kernel |
| 23:03.22 | stew | vook: oh you ran strace /dev/hdd? no strace cdplay |
| 23:03.25 | chealer | deego: more precisely? |
| 23:03.32 | vook | stew, okay - yeah, hold on. |
| 23:03.42 | jknife | chealer: its a linux kernel version |
| 23:03.54 | liable | hrm, seems to be a lot of security bugs coming out atm. |
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| 23:04.27 | vook | stew, now I see why you mentioned pastebin |
| 23:04.29 | deego | chealer: my Q was: anyone able to upgrade kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 ? my machine seems to want to keep the previous version. Should i switch to kernel-image-2.6.8-3-k7? |
| 23:05.09 | chealer | deego: what's kernel-image-2.6.8-3-k7? where does it come from? |
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| 23:05.13 | jknife | deego: theres not gonna be a BIG diff between revisions |
| 23:05.17 | stew | chealer: it sounds like a new kenrel version hit s.d.o but no dsa has been released for it yet |
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| 23:05.44 | stew | chealer: oh actually i got a dsa |
| 23:05.52 | deego | chealer: 500 http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main Packages |
| 23:06.11 | ootput | pipeline: did you figure it out |
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| 23:06.15 | lewis | quick question - how come with maildirs (using exim4), I need to send an e-mail to the account for it to create the necessary files, before I can check/receive from it? Does anyone know what these files are, so that perhaps I could add them to me /etc/skel? |
| 23:06.18 | abrotman | stew: it finally came in .. |
| 23:06.19 | chealer | stew, deego: hum, OK |
| 23:06.23 | ootput | pipeline: found out it was all customizable |
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| 23:06.35 | deego | 2.6.8-2-686 upgrades fine, but 2.6.8-2-k7 does not upgrade at all, hm |
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| 23:06.57 | abrotman | deego: not here .. apparently the security mirrors aren't all in sync ? |
| 23:07.07 | vook | stew, okay, it's on pastebin under "vook" You are too kind stew. |
| 23:07.13 | sambrista | hello. I have an C54RU USB Wireless card, version 2. I downloaded the drivers and under my 2.6 kernel it runs well, but when i want to compile it under my 2.4 kernel, it shows lots and lots of errors and warnings. Can anyone help me? The Chipset is RT73 |
| 23:07.16 | deego | abrotman: oh, thanks, i must try again in a few hours |
| 23:07.18 | stew | vook: what is the url? |
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| 23:07.23 | matttp | Hi, I am building some Debian packages to propagate certain configuration settings across a large deployment. Often I want these updates to happen automatically, so I do not want an apt-get session to be stopped by it asking question. Sometimes apt-get will complain that a file in /etc will be overwritten, usually one from one of my packages. Is there some way I can shut up apt-get with this, so it will arbitrarily upgrade these package |
| 23:07.56 | vook | stew, http://pastebin.com/618975 |
| 23:07.57 | abrotman | matttp: you can pass it a force-overwrite |
| 23:08.16 | VulpesFoxnik | Why are there two 2.* Kernels anyway? |
| 23:08.29 | matttp | Is force-overwrite something that is an apt-get or dpkg option? |
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| 23:09.11 | stew | vook: it looks like a problem opening the sound driver maybe |
| 23:09.26 | chealer | VulpesFoxnik: you mean 2.4 and 2.6? |
| 23:09.35 | VulpesFoxnik | chealer: yes |
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| 23:10.00 | gaka | hello, i've got problems with my cable modem, when i run 'dhclient eth0' it says 'no dhcpoffers received' and it doesn't bring up eth0 |
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| 23:10.02 | stew | vook: and what does "ls -l /dev/cdrom" look like? |
| 23:10.16 | rbd | what's the name of the gnome/gtk+ app that's like winzip? |
| 23:10.18 | vook | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2006-02-14 20:00 /dev/cdrom -> /dev/hdd |
| 23:10.30 | chealer | VulpesFoxnik: because both have advantages against the other |
| 23:10.30 | vook | stew, mpg123 works ok from the command line |
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| 23:10.38 | ootput | rbd: fileroller? |
| 23:10.41 | VulpesFoxnik | chealer: Such as? |
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| 23:10.59 | stew | vook: does /dev/dsp exist? |
| 23:11.10 | rbd | ootput, that sounds right, thanks |
| 23:11.34 | chealer | VulpesFoxnik: hardware support |
| 23:11.39 | vook | stew, yeah - thanks so much for your efforts, I'm probably going to have to do some research on this though. |
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| 23:12.24 | tarzeau | someone's got a GP32? |
| 23:12.30 | VulpesFoxnik | chealer: Doesn't 2.6 have better hardware support? Why keep a dated version lieing around? 2.6 is in the Debian Stable, obviosly It's been tested enough |
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| 23:12.48 | stew | vook: does "fuser /dev/hdd" list any processes that have the device open? |
| 23:12.56 | matttp | Is there a way then of passing --force-overwrite to dpkg when using apt-get? |
| 23:13.20 | chealer | VulpesFoxnik: better in some areas only. being in Debian Stable != perfect |
| 23:13.28 | thewhite | My autofs don't work. Do you know how to set it up in debian. I've follow this text but it didn't help :http://freespace.sourceforge.net/guidod/howto/autofs.html |
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| 23:14.04 | VulpesFoxnik | chealer: What ares is 2.4 better hardware wise than 2.6 then? |
| 23:14.07 | Aronofsky | hi, is there a way that konqueror manage to open .rar files ? |
| 23:14.11 | vook | stew, hmm, yes it does, bonobo and CDDBSlave, lemme kill'em and try again, they aren't that important |
| 23:14.25 | sciboy | Hey guys, my boss reckons that my video card is incapable of the resolution required for this big ass monitor in front of me. |
| 23:14.37 | sciboy | Do video card have hardware limits when it comes to resolution? |
| 23:14.40 | gaka | so can anyone help me? |
| 23:14.50 | sciboy | Does a* |
| 23:14.54 | chealer | VulpesFoxnik: m68k support, by example, quite likely |
| 23:14.55 | vook | stew, that's good tip, I've used fuser for finding what processes were using a port but never a device. |
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| 23:15.58 | VulpesFoxnik | chealer: Oh you mean theres a archetecture catchup that needs to be made for other than x86 systems? |
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| 23:16.38 | Nwallins | lynx takes forever to find google.com, and has to ask on each request. `dig google.com` returns after 14 msec.. is this a resolver issue? |
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| 23:16.44 | chealer | VulpesFoxnik: yes. I think it's still the case, but it was even worst when Sarge released (or its kernels froze) |
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| 23:17.25 | evaded | sciboy: Yes, depending what the video card can give, if he only can give 800x600 at 75Mhz, it will never give more, or not for long time |
| 23:17.32 | ootput | VulpesFoxnik: there's only so much the TI is capable of |
| 23:17.32 | vook | stew, eh, still nothing with no proc's using /dev/hdd. cdplay spits out "cdplay: ioctl cdromplaymsf: Input/output error" gnome-cd works though and reads the cd just fine (and then fuser reports that gnome-cd is using /dev/hdd). I'd prefer to use command line tools for something like playing a cd though, but whatever, it's not that important for now. |
| 23:17.46 | ootput | hardware-wise, so all the programming in the world won't do diddley |
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| 23:18.01 | evaded | vook: stew are one of the kings of computers ;-) |
| 23:18.03 | ootput | -double-negatvie |
| 23:18.04 | bleaked | ootput. heresay! linux can run on everything! |
| 23:18.08 | VulpesFoxnik | ootput: It's a m68k processor |
| 23:18.12 | stew | yeah, i wish |
| 23:18.37 | vook | stew, you have enlighted me though, thanks. you've exposed me to a few cool tricks. |
| 23:18.51 | fedya | why would you run proftpd as standalone rather than inetd? |
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| 23:19.15 | stew | vook: and this is still as root, right? |
| 23:19.29 | stew | vook: i'd guess that the cdromplaymsf error is googleable |
| 23:19.46 | sciboy | fedya, If you are expecting very high traffic, keeping it running at all times would be alot more efficient than starting and stopping everytime someone communicated with the port. |
| 23:20.25 | sciboy | fedya, But if you except to use it only rarely, inetd will only run it when needed. |
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| 23:20.36 | sciboy | I think? |
| 23:21.08 | brosioz | [4306740.216000] evbug.c: Event. Dev: isa0060/serio0/input0, Type: 1, Code: 28, Value: 1 |
| 23:21.09 | brosioz | [4306740.216000] evbug.c: Event. Dev: isa0060/serio0/input0, Type: 0, Code: 0, Value: 0 |
| 23:21.14 | brosioz | i get this on my dmesg |
| 23:21.31 | liable | i wonder why kernel-image-2.6-686 tries to remove a running kernel. seems like a dangerous default action.. |
| 23:21.55 | chealer | liable: what do you mean? |
| 23:22.28 | stew | liable: becuase apt doesn't treat kernel packages any differently than other packages, the debconf scripts in the kernel package should warn you however |
| 23:22.33 | liable | chealer: upgrading to 2.6.8-3 (with 2.6-686 meta package) tries to remove the running kernel. |
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| 23:23.08 | liable | stew: it does, just seems like a dangerous way to do it. surely it can be defered till the new kernel is running? |
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| 23:23.36 | stew | liable: remove the virtual package, and install -3 you'll have both -2 and -3 |
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| 23:24.32 | liable | stew: seeing as the purpose of the virtual package is basically to keep up with security, i thought it would do it a bit smarter. if possible, i guess it isnt. |
| 23:24.46 | liable | s/security/bug fixes/ |
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| 23:25.35 | chealer | liable: huh, you can't have both stock kernels installed plus the metapackage? |
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| 23:25.44 | liable | chealer: nope |
| 23:25.53 | stew | liable: actually, following the instructions in the DSA you wouldn't run into this problem |
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| 23:26.23 | chealer | liable: well what happens if you try to install one of these packages while you have the other two? |
| 23:26.25 | stew | liable: well maybe |
| 23:26.53 | liable | stew: yeah, out of habit, i use dist-upgrade, i guess upgrade wouldnt do it. :) |
| 23:27.01 | chealer | stew: at which time did the DSA come out? |
| 23:27.08 | liable | chealer: just now. |
| 23:27.31 | stew | chealer: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 22:58:22 +0100 |
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| 23:27.50 | pm_ | see, i've tried to configure the exim4 for a local network use. i've tested it on the linux machine and it worked fine (sent the mail), but what i put on the client machine that is inside the network to read the mails? something like pop.server ? i want to config the thunderbird of the windows machines inside the network to read the mails. |
| 23:27.55 | stew | chealer: http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/debian-security-announce-2006/msg00098.html |
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| 23:28.27 | stew | liable: yeah, and the first set of instructions in the DSA say to wget, then dpkg -i |
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| 23:28.57 | liable | stew: yeah, but upgrade is also available, and is the way 99.9% of people would do it. |
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| 23:29.11 | chealer | stew: oh, looks like the index refreshed in the past minute |
| 23:29.24 | chealer | unless ML indexes are refreshed according to use :? |
| 23:29.56 | stew | chealer: yeah, i looked and it wasn't there, got the time from the email, pasted, then refreshed and it was re-indexted :) |
| 23:30.07 | kreg_work | trying to find a easy way for a secratary to add, remove, update users on a system. |
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| 23:30.32 | chealer | stew: maybe the DSA is too big :-P |
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| 23:30.45 | nikko | hi... I just typed apt-get update and apt-get upgrade and got a "E: Sub-process error from dpkg" when I arried to x11-common... what to do now? |
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| 23:31.09 | chealer | nikko: when you "arried"? |
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| 23:32.15 | stew | nikko: /msg dpkg bat |
| 23:32.17 | chealer | liable: seriously, I would be interested in hearing more about your stock kernel upgrade issue |
| 23:32.19 | nikko | it tries to unpack replacement x11-common and then it says that dpkg: error processing x11-common |
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| 23:32.33 | evaded | chealer: arrived?? |
| 23:32.44 | chealer | evaded: ah |
| 23:32.55 | evaded | chealer: I guess :-/ |
| 23:32.55 | stew | nikko: was it a conflict with xfree86-common? |
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| 23:33.19 | chealer | nikko: which release do you use? |
| 23:33.30 | liable | chealer: my bad. i dist-upgraded instead of upgrade, so it tried to remove the -2 kernel. an ordinary upgrade shouldnt do this, but a -f install after reboot would remove it (i imagine) |
| 23:33.44 | nikko | 2.4.27 |
| 23:34.02 | nikko | I am not sure... thinks thats only x11-common |
| 23:34.29 | stew | nikko: show us the command you are typing and the actual output, use a pastebin, /msg dpkg paster |
| 23:34.35 | chealer | liable: I don't see how upgrade could do the job, but I don't see why dist-upgrade would be problematic neither. I must look confused :) |
| 23:34.50 | chealer | nikko: I meant your Debian release, like stable or testing |
| 23:34.57 | nikko | unstable |
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| 23:35.04 | chealer | nikko: well, see the BTS |
| 23:35.21 | stew | !x11-common conflict is if you get an error about conflicting files in xfree86-common and x11-common, run "apt-get install xfree86-common- x11-common" |
| 23:35.22 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 23:35.45 | stew | where's gravity! |
| 23:35.52 | liable | chealer: heh. the upgrade will install it if you have the 2.6 meta package. because it calls a new depend (the -3) i spose it also marks -2 as unused and tries to remove it. not good while the box is still running it :) |
| 23:36.28 | stew | !sarge->etch is also if you use stock kernels it is recommended that you upgrade to a 2.6 kernel *before* you upgrade to etch |
| 23:36.41 | liable | chealer: dist-upgrade will remove unneeded packages, while upgrade will only install. |
| 23:36.43 | chealer | stew: must be busy on pet projects, like uploading X.org 7 |
| 23:36.47 | chealer | like always |
| 23:36.57 | stew | yup |
| 23:37.18 | stew | chealer: lots of people have suddenly been complaining about that conflict, i was wondering if he knew |
| 23:37.26 | Yoric | liable, ok, solved my X problem by going unstable. |
| 23:37.55 | liable | Yoric: oh. cool. xorg must support it better. |
| 23:37.56 | chealer | stew: I'm pretty the x11-common/libxft-dev conflict is known (if not solved) |
| 23:37.57 | evaded | stew: Is there not an error added to dpkg? |
| 23:37.58 | PerfDave | liable: Nothing wrong wtih removing a kernel-image package while it's running, you just need to make sure you don't try loading any modules afterwards ;) |
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| 23:38.13 | Yoric | liable, thanks for your help. |
| 23:38.26 | stew | chealer: no the xfree86-common x11-common conflict |
| 23:38.36 | stew | evaded: i just added one, or did you mean bts? |
| 23:38.37 | chealer | liable: hum, since when does dist-upgrade remove packages on the basis of being "unneeded" :? |
| 23:38.53 | liable | PerfDave: i actually did it once. at reboot i got a fucked file system, no matter how many fsck's i did, it keep marking bab blocks and shit. ended up re-installing :( |
| 23:38.57 | evaded | stew: No the last thing you added to dpkg database |
| 23:39.08 | PerfDave | liable: Hmm, it's not done that for me ever. |
| 23:39.18 | PerfDave | liable: What filesystem was it? |
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| 23:39.23 | student | what are the best laptops for linux? |
| 23:39.31 | chealer | stew: ah, maybe a new one...so there are actually files in sid's xfree86-common? is there a bug #? |
| 23:39.32 | evaded | stew: ... run "apt-get install xfree86-common- x11-common" |
| 23:39.38 | liable | PerfDave: yeah, i thought it weird, but it certainly put me off trying to do it again. |
| 23:39.42 | PerfDave | gah, I hate it when I mischaracterise pam. |
| 23:39.47 | liable | PerfDave: ext3 on raid1 |
| 23:39.51 | PerfDave | student: Ones that work. /msg dpkg laptop |
| 23:40.16 | student | PerfDave: I did not get anything from that /msg dpkg laptop |
| 23:40.22 | liable | chealer: guess its a conflict, but aptitude says, removing unused/unneeded package.. |
| 23:40.27 | chealer | student: in general, probably IBMs or ASUS barebones |
| 23:40.31 | stew | chealer: no, when i looked at it breifly, xfree86-common is just a dummy package to cause to cause the upgrade to x11-common which replaces: xfree86-common, so i dont' know why people are having problems |
| 23:40.33 | PerfDave | !tell student -about laptop |
| 23:40.43 | stew | chealer: i haven't checked the bts (not my problem! :) |
| 23:40.47 | chealer | liable: oh, *aptitude*. that would explain :) |
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| 23:41.11 | erhanr | hey wake up bot :) |
| 23:41.12 | chealer | stew: yeah (unless they'd be upgrading from sarge) |
| 23:41.23 | stew | !dbugs 356341 |
| 23:41.26 | dpkg | #356341:S[x11-common] dist-upgrade from sarge to testing; Sat, 11 Mar 2006 10:33:04 UTC |
| 23:41.33 | SimonRaven | erhanr: hey wake up human! |
| 23:41.52 | stew | !dbugs 354146 |
| 23:41.55 | stew | so yes |
| 23:41.55 | dpkg | #354146:S[x11-common] x11-common: Cannot upgrade from sarge: file conflict with xfree86-common; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:33:02 UTC |
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| 23:42.28 | chealer | stew: oh, ok |
| 23:42.36 | evaded | !x11-common conflict |
| 23:42.36 | dpkg | somebody said x11-common conflict was if you get an error about conflicting files in xfree86-common and x11-common, run "apt-get install xfree86-common- x11-common" |
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| 23:42.38 | liable | PerfDave: iirc, it was a custom, with the fs etc built in, dunno if that made the difference? |
| 23:42.46 | SeriaL | where download debian sarge plis |
| 23:42.51 | SeriaL | url |
| 23:42.52 | evaded | There is an error in what dpkg say :-/ |
| 23:42.55 | liable | !d-i SeriaL |
| 23:42.55 | dpkg | SeriaL, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 23:43.25 | SeriaL | jejeje |
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| 23:44.50 | evaded | Have everyone the rights to add/modify data of the dpkg bot? |
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| 23:45.07 | chealer | evaded: for most factoids, yes |
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| 23:45.20 | nono31 | Is it possible to make an entire partition encrypted or password protected? |
| 23:45.24 | chealer | dpkg: chealer |
| 23:45.24 | dpkg | you are, like, a broken factoid |
| 23:45.38 | chealer | dpkg: no, chealer is a working factoid |
| 23:45.38 | dpkg | chealer: okay |
| 23:45.43 | evaded | dpkg: evaded |
| 23:46.00 | evaded | hhhmmm, no |
| 23:46.34 | evaded | !x11-common conflict is if you get an error about conflicting files in xfree86-common and x11-common, run "apt-get install xfree86-common x11-common" |
| 23:46.35 | dpkg | ...but x11-common conflict is already something else... |
| 23:46.50 | evaded | Yes i know, but i remove an bad "-" sign |
| 23:46.59 | chealer | liable: I'm glad it's just an aptitude thing :-P |
| 23:47.12 | PerfDave | nono31: I think the standard procedure is to create an encrypted file, and mount that file as a partition |
| 23:47.12 | evaded | !x11-common conflict |
| 23:47.12 | dpkg | from memory, x11-common conflict is if you get an error about conflicting files in xfree86-common and x11-common, run "apt-get install xfree86-common- x11-common" |
| 23:47.18 | chealer | evaded: the "-" is intentional |
| 23:47.36 | evaded | chealer: Why ? |
| 23:47.37 | nono31 | PerfDave: a password would be needed to mount that file? |
| 23:47.44 | PerfDave | nono31: Yes |
| 23:47.51 | chealer | evaded: nevertheless, you must use "dpkg: no, foo is baz" to modify an already existing factoid |
| 23:48.03 | chealer | evaded: "-" means removal |
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| 23:48.24 | nono31 | PerfDave: where can I get information about encrypted file? google: linux encrypted file ? |
| 23:48.32 | lsald | what package is the 'base' install, for dpkg --configure |
| 23:48.46 | evaded | chealer: Ok, now i understand it better. :-) Thanks for that great info man ;-) |
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| 23:49.09 | PerfDave | nono31: That'd be a start. Or google "loopback encryption |
| 23:49.10 | PerfDave | " |
| 23:49.46 | nono31 | PerfDave: thx man |
| 23:49.49 | evaded | chealer: So that replace two commands in one line, no need the remove. That become complicated ;-) |
| 23:50.05 | PerfDave | nono31: Or look at the loop-aes-* packages in Debian |
| 23:50.34 | PerfDave | evaded: You can do some odd stuff with apt in single commands. Using "apt-get --purge install somepackage" was quite fun ;) |
| 23:50.39 | nikko | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2216 |
| 23:50.49 | chealer | evaded: yes. stew is too complicated! |
| 23:50.54 | nono31 | PerfDave: thx |
| 23:50.58 | nikko | here is the output from my apt-get |
| 23:51.01 | evaded | PerfDave: Yes :-) |
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| 23:51.33 | evaded | chealer: I not understand why stew have not say it me :-/ Like he know i ask some stupid things :-/ |
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| 23:51.49 | stew | evaded: sometimes you need to tell aptitude to do two things at once, in that case if you tried to remove xfree86-common first it would try to remove a bunch of other packages which you don't want to remove |
| 23:52.08 | stew | ^aptitude^apt-get /whatever |
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| 23:52.37 | evaded | stew: So he only remove THAT package and then install the other ... hhhhmmmm |
| 23:53.10 | evaded | stew: Where can i buy an set of stew head?? :-/ |
| 23:53.18 | stew | evaded: yes, becuase other packages depend on xfree86-common, so removing that removes those, but x11-common Provides: xfree86-common so replacing it will not cause their removal |
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| 23:53.26 | gunpowda | hello |
| 23:53.34 | gunpowda | I'm looking for the latest arm-elf-gcc |
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| 23:54.17 | evaded | stew: Yes i understand :-) Really thank you, and the other guys for that great info :-) |
| 23:54.18 | _Carlitos_ | hi |
| 23:54.23 | _Carlitos_ | i have this problem |
| 23:54.25 | _Carlitos_ | ~/Desktop/hostapd-0.4.8# hostapd /etc/hostapd/hostapd.conf |
| 23:54.26 | _Carlitos_ | Configuration file: /etc/hostapd/hostapd.conf |
| 23:54.26 | _Carlitos_ | ioctl[SIOCSIWMODE]: Invalid argument |
| 23:54.26 | _Carlitos_ | Could not set interface to master mode! |
| 23:54.26 | _Carlitos_ | madwifi driver initialization failed. |
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| 23:54.48 | _Carlitos_ | sry, but that is the error |
| 23:54.55 | _Carlitos_ | using hostapd |
| 23:54.55 | evaded | !tell _Carlitos_ about paster |
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| 23:55.09 | liable | chealer: did you try dist-upgrade? |
| 23:55.17 | nikko | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2217 |
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| 23:55.25 | _Carlitos_ | somene have a idea? |
| 23:55.47 | tam | is there anyway to change a .chm to .pdf (or whatever) via a CLI program? |
| 23:55.58 | evaded | stew: Also thank for that great tip of strace and the cd... you know :-) I have been followed the discusion silently :-) |
| 23:56.05 | nikko | Hi... I copy in the http://channels.debian.net/paste/2216 and http://channels.debian.net/paste/2217.. plz someone look at it... |
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| 23:56.15 | chealer | liable: I just marked for installation kernel-image-2.6.8-3-k7 and kernel-image-2.6-k7 using for synaptic, and it didn't complain about having to removed the old stock kernel |
| 23:56.25 | Xa0C | i have problem under linux with fonts. I have laptop with sxga+ Monitor,and the problem is , a fonts are under KDE(gnome too) careless , after 10 min i get eyesache ^(( |
| 23:56.32 | fedya | can someone guide me as to how to set up an ftp directory for proftp that there are 2 users with different rights using /home/ftp as it's root dir |
| 23:56.47 | fedya | and a third user using a different dir as it's root dir |
| 23:56.52 | chealer | liable: and apt-get-based frontend really shouldn't have a problem with that |
| 23:57.09 | liable | chealer: ah. ok. what happens if you do -f install? anything? |
| 23:57.10 | fedya | i'm reading all these howtos but most of them talk about anon ftp accounts |
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| 23:58.00 | Desh | anyone know a good book to learn linux/unix? |
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| 23:58.16 | Desh | i had to revert back to windows to do schoolwork :( |
| 23:58.18 | tiCo89 | Desh: depends on what u want to learn |
| 23:58.23 | chealer | liable: apt-get -f install? I didn't install the packages as I won't use them, but apt-get -f install won't "fix" anything that synaptic did without a big warning |
| 23:58.24 | liable | Desh: the debian reference is a good start. |
| 23:58.36 | HaCKeT|FiZZ | what's the packet again that contains whois traceroute and all that stuff? doh! keep on forgetting |
| 23:58.45 | liable | chealer: ok |
| 23:58.49 | tiCo89 | if you can german and like to learn how to use debian i would recommend you www.debiananwenderhandbuch.de |
| 23:58.51 | Desh | I see, yeah I need to learn absic things like installing programs and how to manipulate files, etc |
| 23:58.56 | gunpowda | any ideas guys? |
| 23:59.02 | chealer | liable: I don't know aptitude, but I suspect you had to configure something to get that behavior |
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| 23:59.34 | Azar | liable nikko seems using unstable |
| 23:59.34 | nikko | what shall I do now? |
| 23:59.38 | liable | chealer: no, just dist-upgrade. i havent touched any aptitude conf files. |
| 23:59.45 | nikko | i am using unstable |
| 23:59.51 | evaded | Desh: There are really good stuff already existing, and free of charge ... |
