| 00:00.05 | liable | Azar: bully for him :) |
| 00:00.19 | Azar | nikko: well it seems your unstable refuses to install xfree86 |
| 00:00.29 | chealer | liable: OK. as long as it's just aptitude :-P |
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| 00:00.45 | Desh | So would you guys reccommend me reading up on debian ebfore actually installing it? |
| 00:00.45 | nikko | but I think that I use xorg |
| 00:00.47 | Azar | nikko: so no X for you |
| 00:00.57 | nikko | my X is running |
| 00:01.03 | Azar | nikko why then you try installing xfree86? |
| 00:01.14 | liable | chealer: heh, i would be interested to see what would happen with a dist-upgrade from apt-get though, with the meta package already installed. |
| 00:01.16 | Desh | i can get as far as starting X and from there getting KDE and thats it |
| 00:01.29 | Desh | I dont know how to install drivers for wlan or 9700 |
| 00:01.31 | evaded | gunpowda: Google it, give it an try! |
| 00:02.15 | gunpowda | I've googled all over the place : ) |
| 00:02.28 | nikko | I never said that I want to install it.... I been told that I should use the command apt-get update and apt-get upgrade to get new packages... I dont know why it now tries to install xfree86... I use xorg |
| 00:02.37 | gunpowda | I've downloaded a tar.bz, but when I copy it to my linux partition inexplicable the size is totally reduced |
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| 00:03.06 | jknife | anyone heas having problems building modules for the 2.6.16 kernel? |
| 00:03.08 | Azar | gunpowda: google for " arm-elf-gcc in Debian" |
| 00:03.25 | chealer | liable: apt-get will never uninstall a package on the basis of being unneeded (unless debfoster or deborphan change this). it will just keep the old kernel |
| 00:03.26 | stew | liable: since the -3 neither Conflicts: or Replaces: the -2 kernel, it shouldnt' be removed just becuase the virtual package changed its Depends: |
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| 00:03.38 | Azar | nikko so then do not worry about the E: warning |
| 00:04.01 | liable | well, thats weird. wtf did aptitude want to uninstall it then? |
| 00:04.05 | chealer | !tell jknife about anyone |
| 00:04.24 | nikko | okay.. but how can I stop the E warning so I can get on to upgrade other packages.... |
| 00:04.53 | chealer | liable: because you installed kernel-image-2.6-k7 directly and it considered kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 unneeded, I guess. |
| 00:05.03 | jknife | chealer: wtf? |
| 00:05.21 | jknife | i didnt ask if anyonw uses a <programname> |
| 00:05.23 | chealer | jknife: I just meant your question was too vague |
| 00:05.27 | stew | chealer: this is because his -2 pacakge was marked as auto installed by aptitude so when the Depends: on the virtual package changed it will be removed |
| 00:05.39 | chealer | jknife: maybe the factoid wasn't appropriate |
| 00:05.41 | jknife | chealer: well its a vague problem... |
| 00:05.54 | Azar | nikko, unstable is a big unknown for me, I use stable and update/upgrade with no errors, expect errors like that when you use unstable |
| 00:06.02 | gunpowda | nothing |
| 00:06.06 | jknife | i can't build the nvidia kernel or the rt73 driver with the 2.6.16 headers |
| 00:06.08 | chealer | jknife: I'm sure you can provide basic details, or an example |
| 00:06.09 | stew | jknife: if you are getting an error, tell us the acutall error you are getting |
| 00:06.09 | gunpowda | do I have to compile from source? |
| 00:06.11 | Desh | Yeah I need to learna ll this Unix jargon :( |
| 00:06.15 | znx | :O |
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| 00:06.24 | BarryAllen | hi all |
| 00:06.30 | BarryAllen | how can i search what package provides a file? |
| 00:06.33 | chealer | stew: yeah |
| 00:06.47 | stew | BarryAllen: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 00:06.52 | Desh | Better way to learn for a windows user: Install Debian on PC or as a virtual OS in Virtual PC? |
| 00:06.53 | Shadowcat | !tell BarryAllen about apt-file |
| 00:07.03 | Azar | nikko: no pun intended but when you use unstable it is expected you know how to fix problems.. |
| 00:07.31 | stew | was there a possible pun there? |
| 00:07.37 | Azar | !pun |
| 00:07.37 | dpkg | I should be punish'ed for every pun I shed; leave not a puny shred of \my punnish head |
| 00:07.42 | Azar | :) |
| 00:07.47 | Desh | lol |
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| 00:07.58 | strider | Desh: /msg dpkg grounding |
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| 00:08.08 | Desh | would u recommend installing debian as virtual OS? |
| 00:08.19 | nikko | okay... :)... I will try to do something.... its just my first time to meet that kind of problems.... |
| 00:09.16 | spanglesontoast | what's i8253 count too high! resetting ? |
| 00:09.17 | jknife | http://rafb.net/paste/results/9VVmcx70.html there is the rt73... it does that with the 2.6.16 headers but not the 2.6.15 headers |
| 00:09.37 | BarryAllen | tks |
| 00:10.17 | chealer | jknife: what's rt73? |
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| 00:10.35 | stew | nikko: what does "apt-cache policy libxft-dev" show for Installed: and Candidate: ? |
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| 00:10.43 | dogmeat | !seen bob2 |
| 00:10.44 | dpkg | bob2 <i=rob@crumbs.ertius.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 99d 17h 5m 25s ago, saying: 'Mortal1: np, good luck'. |
| 00:10.46 | jknife | chealer: a USB Wifi driver |
| 00:10.54 | erhanr | ! f(x-1/x) = x^2+1/x^2+4 f(2) = ? |
| 00:11.17 | dogmeat | erhanr: use substitution? |
| 00:11.19 | chealer | jknife: is it in Debian? |
| 00:11.20 | thingfish | I think bob2 is a ubuntu person now. |
| 00:11.33 | stew | erhanr: #math |
| 00:11.33 | GoAuLd | !seen gravity |
| 00:11.33 | jknife | no gentoo... :-/ |
| 00:11.34 | dpkg | gravity <n=david@pool-151-199-41-243.bos.east.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1d 18h 47m 45s ago, saying: 'Nazxul: Cool, glad to hear it'. |
| 00:11.36 | erhanr | someitmes |
| 00:11.39 | thingfish | *an |
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| 00:11.44 | jknife | its not a big driver... |
| 00:11.47 | jknife | and no its not |
| 00:12.04 | jknife | plus i have to add my own patch to it |
| 00:12.07 | dogmeat | bob2: hasn't been online for awhile |
| 00:12.15 | jknife | so a prebuilt does me no good |
| 00:12.24 | nikko | Installed: 2.1.8.2-3 and Candidate: 2.1.8.2-5 |
| 00:12.31 | chealer | !mourn bob2 |
| 00:13.06 | chealer | jknife: so you have another example then? |
| 00:13.23 | jknife | chealer: im working on it.. but its the nvidia drivers |
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| 00:13.53 | tictac | anyone know how to play ogg 3+ files? |
| 00:14.13 | chealer | tictac: what's ogg 3+ ? |
| 00:14.37 | Azar | tictac, I am not sure but I think I have seen that plugins for ogg in xmms |
| 00:14.54 | tictac | Azar: well, i need to be able to use it in mplayer. :| |
| 00:14.57 | pppoe_dude | Hi. please go to #linux-gender-statistics and vote "F" if you're female, and "M" if you're male thanks! |
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| 00:15.15 | Azar | tictac: ah.. ok I have no idea |
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| 00:15.34 | dvs | Yay! |
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| 00:16.37 | litage | when i run ``sudo vi /foo/bar'' and quit, vi says "E138: Can't write viminfo file $HOME/.viminfo!". when in vi, running ":!echo $HOME" displays nothing. but su'ing to root and echo'ing $HOME displays /root . how can i fix this vi error? |
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| 00:17.32 | tictac | here is something from the site where i downloaded the video. |
| 00:17.39 | tictac | Audio info: Ogg_Vorbis_3_plus, 128kb/s |
| 00:17.41 | zood_ | Can anyone imagine why two of my debian (sarge) systems would have been showing "screen saver not configured" as the screen saver when I woke up this morning?. The configurations on both systems are a bit different and I hadn't made any identical changes to both systems in the recent past. Wierd! |
| 00:17.51 | tictac | :-\ |
| 00:18.10 | Azar | tictac: why don't you access the mplayer site and see if there is a way to get those plugins? |
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| 00:18.41 | Azar | ... or google for " ogg for mplayer" see others what did to get them |
| 00:18.42 | tictac | ive done so. |
| 00:19.09 | zood_ | tictac, have you installed the "essential" codecs? |
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| 00:19.18 | jknife | how do i build the nvidia module aginst another set of headers and in X11? |
| 00:19.18 | tictac | ive got normal ogg files, just some this specific codec |
| 00:19.30 | tictac | err s/files/support |
| 00:19.59 | piglet_ | Hi. I am new to linux. I just installed debian testing in my desktop |
| 00:20.03 | jknife | brb |
| 00:20.05 | piglet_ | and I cannot get sound |
| 00:20.19 | dvs | !install alsa |
| 00:20.23 | dvs | damn |
| 00:20.30 | Azar | so etch is not coming with alsa? nice |
| 00:20.42 | piglet_ | I am using a 1-CD mini install |
| 00:20.42 | dvs | Azar: Really? That's dumb |
| 00:20.52 | piglet_ | Is alsa for me? |
| 00:21.08 | thingfish | evolution was updated today, for sarge, right? |
| 00:21.13 | Azar | I hope etch will solve this sound nightmare installations and configurations somehow |
| 00:21.14 | evaded | piglet_: New to linux, oefargag sorry GNU/Linux, why you have get the Testing version and not the Stable?? |
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| 00:21.26 | novata_deb | :-) |
| 00:21.32 | novata_deb | Help please |
| 00:21.40 | dvs | !tell novata_deb about ask |
| 00:21.40 | novata_deb | Alguém aqui manja de SGI??? |
| 00:21.52 | Azar | piglet_: if you are new to linux you will be in for some hard work with testing |
| 00:21.54 | thingfish | !br |
| 00:21.54 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 00:21.59 | zood_ | tictac, not sure if these will do it but they've fixed lots of problems for me: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/releases/codecs/ |
| 00:22.04 | evaded | !alsa-onliner |
| 00:22.05 | novata_deb | ok |
| 00:22.06 | stew | thingfish: yes |
| 00:22.08 | novata_deb | sorry |
| 00:22.11 | stew | (re: evolution) |
| 00:22.18 | Azar | dpkg is off sick today |
| 00:22.22 | piglet_ | Well, I am not that new, I used red hat for a while, but that is couple of years ago |
| 00:22.22 | thingfish | stew: thanks, I thought so. |
| 00:22.28 | dvs | where's badgers? |
| 00:22.30 | novata_deb | I have one question about support of Debian para SGI |
| 00:22.31 | zood_ | tictac, specifically: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/releases/codecs/essential-20050412.tar.bz2 |
| 00:22.37 | stew | thingfish: you should subscribe to d-s-a if you don't already :) |
| 00:22.38 | thingfish | in his hole. |
| 00:22.55 | thingfish | stew: right good idea, shall do. |
| 00:23.04 | piglet_ | That is on a different machine |
| 00:23.14 | piglet_ | but I had problem with that that time too |
| 00:23.23 | novata_deb | I have a problem with SGI 320 |
| 00:23.26 | PerfDave | Hmm, for a change I'm using twm and uxterm instead of KDE and Konsole, and Alt-digits to switch windows in irssi is not working |
| 00:23.32 | Azar | piglet: dpkg tells me: apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf do that |
| 00:23.47 | novata_deb | hi |
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| 00:24.04 | piglet_ | I heard some good words about debian and I happen to get a new big hd, so I would like to give it a try |
| 00:24.10 | fedya | is it safe to remove the "ftp" account that's created when you install proftp? |
| 00:24.11 | piglet_ | I will try, thank |
| 00:24.17 | novata_deb | I have a problem with SGI 320? Exist support for 320 SGI??? Processador Intel |
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| 00:24.42 | evaded | !tell piglet_ about alsa |
| 00:24.46 | resiak | !es |
| 00:24.46 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:24.57 | evaded | !tell piglet_ about alsa-checklist |
| 00:25.00 | resiak | or did I get the wrong language |
| 00:25.03 | Azar | piglet_: if you are new to debian take 15 min and read this: http://os.newsforge.com/os/04/12/02/1710208.shtml?tid=2&tid=130 |
| 00:25.07 | thingfish | that's a !br |
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| 00:25.14 | PerfDave | !hispanic |
| 00:25.14 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, hispanic is use #debian-es para ayuda en espanol; alli usted obtendra mas ayuda. |
| 00:25.20 | jknife | ok lettme get the log uploaded |
| 00:25.25 | PerfDave | Bah, someone changed the factoid. |
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| 00:25.35 | PerfDave | !factinfo hispanic |
| 00:25.35 | dpkg | hispanic -- last modified at Tue Nov 22 02:36:35 2005 by thingfish!n=mark@dialup-4.245.46.171.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net; it has been requested 3 times, last by thingfish at Mon Nov 21 18:43:36 2005. |
| 00:25.44 | thingfish | novata_deb: existe o canal #debian-br. falam portugues. |
| 00:26.06 | thingfish | ruh roh |
| 00:26.08 | Azar | dpkg botabuse |
| 00:26.08 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 00:26.23 | thingfish | what's the matter with it? |
| 00:26.35 | thingfish | I probably only corrected a misspelling. |
| 00:26.43 | Azar | thingfish: the original !es was more elegant |
| 00:26.55 | PerfDave | thingfish: "hispanic" used to give both !es and !br for when people weren't sure :) |
| 00:26.58 | thingfish | well I didn't do es. |
| 00:26.59 | stew | thingfish: it used to have both !es and !br versions in one factoid when its harder to tell for us anglophones |
| 00:27.26 | thingfish | well the problem with that is, that portugues is NOT a hispanic language. :/ |
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| 00:27.40 | Azar | thingfish: they are bot a latin family |
| 00:27.40 | pppoe_dude | Hi. please go to #linux-gender-statistics and vote "F" if you're female, and "M" if you're male thanks! comeon ppl |
| 00:27.46 | pppoe_dude | only 1 person? |
| 00:27.47 | useruser | pppoe_dude: no |
| 00:27.48 | Azar | pppoe_dude: bug off |
| 00:27.51 | pppoe_dude | k |
| 00:27.57 | thingfish | Azar: that is irrelevant. |
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| 00:28.01 | SimonRaven | dumb anglo syndrome strikes again :P |
| 00:28.01 | pppoe_dude | Azar, bug ? |
| 00:28.08 | thingfish | hispanic + spanish ONLY |
| 00:28.15 | thingfish | aack *= |
| 00:28.26 | thingfish | right, SimonRaven. |
| 00:28.34 | litage | when i run ``sudo vi /foo/bar'' and quit, vi says "E138: Can't write viminfo file $HOME/.viminfo!". when in vi, running ":!echo $HOME" displays nothing. but su'ing to root and echo'ing $HOME displays /root . how can i fix this vi error? |
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| 00:28.37 | lnx_rlz | Hi all, how to check the cache of squid proxy, in the content, like a jpg image? |
| 00:28.44 | thingfish | plus calling portuguese hispanic, to a portuguese speaker, is almost insulting. |
| 00:28.44 | Azar | thingfish: if that warms you up I can speak spanish with brasilian folks and we understand each other |
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| 00:28.58 | perezidentt | Can someone tell me what the command would be to reinstall a repository via apt-get install? |
| 00:29.00 | thingfish | quem da uma foda |
| 00:29.01 | Azar | ok ok I give up |
| 00:29.03 | mada | is it better to do a base install and just apt-get what you need or should you just go all out with the pre-selected "desktop" setup for a home machine? ... (just looking for opinions on this) |
| 00:29.06 | stew | thingfish: can you provide a more appropriate adjective then? |
| 00:29.25 | hyperactivecrond | ok im the one with the wonky sound card cs4237B. Is there any way to look w/in Windows to see the settings i would need 4 this card? |
| 00:29.33 | loggygreg_ | litage: use visudo |
| 00:29.36 | Azar | mada I prefer base-install then groom it up bit by bit |
| 00:29.46 | dvs | hyperactivecrond: Just run alsaconf |
| 00:29.49 | thingfish | stew: no, because there is no one adjective to describe both spanish and portuguese alone. |
| 00:29.52 | SimonRaven | litage: it's not an error. using sudo vim will use ~user/.viminfo not /root/.viminfo, unless you use sudo -H |
| 00:29.54 | perezidentt | Can someone tell me what the command would be to reinstall a repository via apt-get install? |
| 00:30.03 | stew | thingfish: can you provide an appropriate factoid? |
| 00:30.05 | litage | loggygreg: i'm not trying to edit /etc/sudoers |
| 00:30.12 | thingfish | you can say they're romance languages, but then there are about 15 more of those... |
| 00:30.19 | loggygreg_ | litage: sorry my mistake |
| 00:30.22 | SimonRaven | loggygreg_: visudo is not to edit files, it's to edit /etc/sudoers |
| 00:30.30 | litage | loggygreg: np |
| 00:30.34 | hyperactivecrond | !nano |
| 00:30.35 | thingfish | stew: let me think a while on it. |
| 00:30.35 | dpkg | i guess nano is at http://www.nano-editor.org/, or a DFSG-free alternative to pico, or 10^-9, or for old koreans |
| 00:30.35 | Azar | :) |
| 00:30.44 | hyperactivecrond | <3 nano |
| 00:30.51 | mada | Azar: i did the same for my desktop install, but my friend argued it better to take their pre-selected desktop configuration ... but in all honesty, my machine is old and decrepid so i like as little bulk as possible |
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| 00:31.14 | litage | SimonRaven: hrm, -H is interesting. however, this vim error doesn't happen on any other box of mine |
| 00:31.15 | stew | !esbr is <reply> Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. |
| 00:31.15 | dpkg | okay, stew |
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| 00:31.21 | Azar | mada yes indeed it is better to budget by doing a base-install and get only what you need |
| 00:31.24 | thingfish | ooh stew - how about a !es-br factoid? It could simply combine the necessary parts of the separate es and br factoids. |
| 00:31.30 | SimonRaven | sudoedit will use $EDITOR |
| 00:31.35 | thingfish | hehe cool |
| 00:31.37 | stew | !es-br is <reply> see esbr |
| 00:31.37 | dpkg | okay, stew |
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| 00:31.45 | adrakoa | hi |
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| 00:31.53 | Azar | mada if that warms you up forget about kde or gnome desktop go for openbox only and everything will be ok |
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| 00:31.57 | thingfish | !beer stew |
| 00:32.01 | stew | sweet |
| 00:32.05 | dvs | yuck |
| 00:32.10 | stew | actually its going to be !GnT stew |
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| 00:32.15 | Marticus | good evening |
| 00:32.23 | jknife | http://rafb.net/paste/results/TFGZYI35.html theres the nvidia one |
| 00:32.24 | hyperactivecrond | thingfish: where did you find !beer and stuff like that for dpkg? |
| 00:32.36 | [timmeh] | Hi, can anyone explain to me how to bind my other ip's in my ip range with a dedicated server like the base ip? |
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| 00:32.44 | Azar | mada later on after you configure video and X just use "feh" to put a wallpaper for X and use openbox3 as manager. |
| 00:32.48 | Marticus | do other distributions have the 'which' shell script that is found in debian-utils? |
| 00:32.50 | thingfish | hyperactivecrond: hang around here long enough, you'll figure it out. :) |
| 00:32.51 | evaded | mada: I see it a bit other when i not know all the stuff there are, i install then an big package the first time to know all the good stuff there are (standart). Then when a bit more experience in install the bare minimal and add what i need. |
| 00:33.09 | Marticus | rather debianutils |
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| 00:33.16 | jknife | chealer: http://rafb.net/paste/results/TFGZYI35.html theres the nvidia one |
| 00:33.31 | thingfish | I hope this darn evolution download doesn't fail md5sum. 10.2 MB is a lot on dialup. |
| 00:33.32 | Wyzard | Marticus: Many do, I think, but if not, it's really just a wrapper for the "type" command, which is a shell builtin |
| 00:33.36 | Azar | evaded, he has not luxury space out there. |
| 00:33.37 | thingfish | last one did. |
| 00:33.42 | mada | Azar: meh, i've never really had much trouble with configuration |
| 00:33.48 | Marticus | Wyzard thank you |
| 00:33.50 | evaded | mada: It depend a bit in which situation you are, as beginner it's better to have a bit to many than a bit to less i guess |
| 00:33.54 | litage | SimonRaven: if ``sudo vim'' will use ~user/.viminfo , why would vim, which is running as root, not be able to write to ~user/.viminfo ? |
| 00:34.14 | evaded | Azar: Right!, then it's another (not nice) situation :-/ |
| 00:34.26 | Marticus | Wyzard: it doesn't appear to contain type |
| 00:34.33 | mada | evaded: good point, never thought about it like that ... |
| 00:34.33 | chealer | jknife: I guess both modules just need to be updated |
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| 00:34.39 | Marticus | Wyzard: perhaps it has changed since you looked at it :) |
| 00:34.47 | jknife | chealer: there the latest versions |
| 00:34.48 | Azar | mada I run Sarge/stable with a 2.6.8 kernel, configured video, X , sound and using only openbox3 for manager, now I am happy and not much space used either, only 2% of my entire hard drive |
| 00:34.50 | Wyzard | Marticus: hmm... that's possible; last time I checked was a few years ago |
| 00:35.00 | lnx_rlz | Squid/Oops! Someone have a network which users uses the webmail to see porns? How to verify this content in cache proxy? |
| 00:35.04 | Marticus | it's okay, you answer my question |
| 00:35.07 | Marticus | thanks again |
| 00:35.24 | piglet_ | thanks, it can make sounds now. I am going to test it a bit further. Thanks. It is a really great community here |
| 00:35.25 | evaded | mada: I hope you follow the conversation ;-) Yes, try to look between the two ways ... |
| 00:35.57 | Azar | ... I got openoffice, games, xmms , irssi and firefox. I am happy |
| 00:36.11 | evaded | mada: How many space have you exactly? I have miss the amount it looks :-/ |
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| 00:36.46 | evaded | Azar: I understand :-) you are happy because you runn Debian man ;-) |
| 00:37.07 | Azar | evaded: correction: I am happy because I run what I want |
| 00:37.09 | evaded | Azar: One of the best tool of the world -> Debian :-) |
| 00:37.19 | hyperactivecrond | thingfish: please tell me where? |
| 00:37.26 | hyperactivecrond | !factoid |
| 00:37.27 | dpkg | well, factoid is something resembling a fact or unverified (often invented) information that is given credibility because it appeared in print or a brief (usually one sentence and usually trivial) news item, or often-repeated info, stored to keep people from having to repeatedly explain something This thing you're reading right now is called a "factoid". |
| 00:37.31 | evaded | Azar: Yes, that's right :-0 |
| 00:37.32 | hyperactivecrond | !factoids |
| 00:37.32 | dpkg | Give me more! Bigmouth hungry! |
| 00:37.41 | hyperactivecrond | mk then... |
| 00:38.06 | evaded | Azar: Currently running KDE :-/ It was an long time ago :-) Otherwise i use a Fluxbox |
| 00:38.28 | Azar | fluxbox: old , openbox3: new |
| 00:38.30 | evaded | !factoids hyperactivecrond |
| 00:38.41 | [timmeh] | Can anyone help me out with adding extra ip's? Do i have to edit my network interfaces? |
| 00:39.00 | hyperactivecrond | !tell me about factoids |
| 00:39.09 | hyperactivecrond | evaded: nothing... |
| 00:39.19 | BadMan | well I have a funtioning kde desktop now... witha workign xserver.. moves fairly decent |
| 00:39.20 | hyperactivecrond | just the same in #debian |
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| 00:39.24 | Azar | don't abuse the bot, it is getting sick easily |
| 00:39.44 | hyperactivecrond | Azar: i think someone needs to "pump his stomach" of miscillanious stuff... |
| 00:39.47 | stew | [timmeh]: zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz <- look for the entries like eth0:0 or eth0:1 |
| 00:39.54 | evaded | hyperactivecrond: idem here, i search also ;-) in my irc log i find the solution, but i want to remember :-/ |
| 00:40.07 | BadMan | however I am relagated to 640x480 with black bars all around my entire scree.. I searched down some hsync and vsyng for the 760XL and am about to try it |
| 00:40.09 | hyperactivecrond | like !fu*k !orgasm !pis !pus*y |
| 00:40.22 | Wyzard | stew: I'm not sure if alias interfaces like that are the best way to go... it's possible to assign multiple IPs to a *single* interface |
| 00:40.26 | BadMan | dang still there |
| 00:40.32 | Wyzard | stew: though I'm not sure how to do that from the interfaces file |
| 00:40.39 | hyperactivecrond | mucho apologies but i didn't mean to offend anyone... |
| 00:40.42 | stew | Wyzard: from interfaces you have to do it with an up rule |
| 00:40.47 | Azar | hyperactivecrond: some people come here and need to ask the bot, and if is broken, due to abuse, you gonna hurt those people |
| 00:40.55 | Wyzard | :-/ |
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| 00:41.07 | Wyzard | Maybe the interfaces file needs to be modernized :-) |
| 00:41.16 | stew | Wyzard: (afaik), like up ip addr add 1.2.3.4 dev eth0 |
| 00:41.16 | stew | yeah |
| 00:41.20 | stew | the ip tool rocks |
| 00:41.32 | hyperactivecrond | Azar: i don't want/like to abuse the bot. |
| 00:41.41 | SimonRaven | Wyzard, stew: via up/down statements |
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| 00:42.17 | nono31 | PerfDave: loop-aes worked perfectly!! thanks again. |
| 00:42.32 | Wyzard | SimonRaven: Makes sense, but that's a bit of a hack -- ideally, multiple IPs should be supported directly |
| 00:43.03 | hyperactivecrond | for example of stuff that needs to be !forget 'ed by him: |
| 00:43.05 | hyperactivecrond | !Pee |
| 00:43.46 | SimonRaven | i've seen worse, and that isn't one of them |
| 00:43.50 | hyperactivecrond | !stab |
| 00:44.04 | SimonRaven | um, stop |
| 00:44.13 | hyperactivecrond | stopping. |
| 00:44.18 | stew | hyperactivecrond: if you want to play with the bots do it in #debian-bots |
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| 00:44.56 | hyperactivecrond | stew: don't want to play w/ bots... just stating that some stuff needs to be forgotten... |
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| 00:45.10 | pm_ | how can i remove this pckg: inetd 4050 root 4u IPv4 4876 TCP *:imap2 (LISTEN) ? |
| 00:45.33 | pm_ | i want to install the dovecot-imap but i cant because this pckg |
| 00:45.42 | SimonRaven | pm_: edit the inetd.conf file and disable the entry |
| 00:46.23 | SimonRaven | or, find out what's listed (from the file) and --purge that |
| 00:46.26 | nikko | yuhu...now it works... :) |
| 00:46.34 | pm_ | SimonRaven and how i restart it? |
| 00:47.04 | SimonRaven | with the init script |
| 00:47.06 | PerfDave | nono31: Glad you like it :) |
| 00:47.20 | pm_ | init 3? |
| 00:47.34 | SimonRaven | that's not an init script |
| 00:47.49 | SimonRaven | /etc/init.d/inetd is one |
| 00:47.58 | pm_ | hmm |
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| 00:48.13 | BadMan | any ideas on how I get my "full" screenusages on this laptop? |
| 00:48.35 | SimonRaven | o_O |
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| 00:48.39 | stew | pm_: dpkg -S sbin/imap2 ; then remove the package containing the imap2 binary, and install dovecot, you should make sure that that the appropriate imap2 line is removed from /etc/inetd.conf |
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| 00:50.37 | kuene | hi, i see that there is a update of the package: kernel-image-2.6-686-smp. but i see no security advisory on debian.org. does someone know why this package is updated? |
| 00:50.55 | SimonRaven | stew: thank you for better summary of "what one needs to do", i'm not all there today |
| 00:51.19 | SimonRaven | kuene: there is one. see the DSAs |
| 00:51.25 | DjX | having probs chmoding in /dev/. settings are dropped after reboot. probably because of udev. right? |
| 00:51.31 | stew | SimonRaven: :) |
| 00:51.33 | weasel00 | whats the trick to accessing //localhost/phpmyadmin after apt-get installs it? |
| 00:51.55 | stew | weasel00: read /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin/README.Debian |
| 00:52.22 | kuene | SimonRaven, maybe i am blind but i do not find it :( |
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| 00:53.00 | kuene | SimonRaven, i am blind, i have found it :-0 |
| 00:53.06 | weasel00 | stew : thanks i have been pullingmy hair our looking for a readme like that but looking in the phpmyadmin/docs dir instead =) |
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| 00:54.08 | kuene | SimonRaven, no was not that. was only kernel-patch-vserver |
| 00:54.24 | SimonRaven | kuene: sub to debian-security-announce |
| 00:54.33 | pm_ | see, i've installed the exim4 in my gateway server, and from a windows client i send a mail to some user like user1@server, the mail is sent, but when i try to read it in the server with the mail command, there is no mail to that user. what can cause this? |
| 00:54.34 | na7e | hey, how can I make a .desktop file or .directory file register in the gnome menu without using alacarte or smeg? |
| 00:54.54 | SimonRaven | T="[SECURITY] [DSA 1017-1] New Linux kernel 2.6.8 packages fix several vulnerabilities" |
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| 00:55.31 | perezidentt | i have a pretty huge problem, I wanted to reinstall apache so I did "whereis apache2" and deleted all the directories and files where apache2 was. Then As the first time I installed it, I did sudo apt-get install apache2 and it says it installed but its not on my drive. I did whereis apache2 and it just says apache2: and thats it |
| 00:55.39 | SimonRaven | na7e: editor foo.desktop |
| 00:56.35 | PerfDave | perezidentt: Which version of Debian are you using? Ubuntu? |
| 00:56.48 | perezidentt | yes |
| 00:56.53 | na7e | SimonRaven, that didn't answer my question, but thanks |
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| 00:57.01 | demon_bot | perezidentt: why not apt-get remove it instead |
| 00:57.36 | PerfDave | perezidentt: Ubuntu questions should be directed to #ubuntu, since Ubuntu is not Debian. Ubuntu is not supported on #debian. |
| 00:58.03 | perezidentt | PerfDave: I did try apt-get remove and it wasent a valid command, and I did post it in #ubuntu but no one will help me |
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| 00:58.19 | SimonRaven | na7e: yeh, sorry :). um, there's a local dir for each user, can't recall where, but you can add a menu-method to ~/ to have include it when you run update-menus |
| 00:58.39 | na7e | SimonRaven, ok, so run update-menus |
| 00:58.40 | SimonRaven | na7e: run update-menus -v and it'll tell you which dir |
| 00:58.40 | na7e | thanks |
| 00:58.43 | PerfDave | perezidentt: Failure of #ubuntu to support Ubuntu doesn't mean that non-Ubuntu channels are obliged to do their work for them, I'm afraid. |
| 00:59.06 | perezidentt | Yeah, well thanks anyway PerfDave |
| 00:59.28 | PerfDave | perezidentt: Perhaps you should try the Ubuntu web forums, or repeating your question on #ubuntu. |
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| 01:00.02 | perezidentt | k thx dave |
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| 01:00.48 | nikko | sometimes when I start up my mashine, my scrollmouse works sometimes and sometimes not.... what to do? |
| 01:02.27 | SimonRaven | next honourarium i get i'm going to put some aside for some ram for this thing. sheesh |
| 01:02.39 | GoAuLd | nice word |
| 01:02.45 | GoAuLd | mashine |
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| 01:03.36 | SimonRaven | waching mashine |
| 01:03.49 | GoAuLd | nikko, maybe you have gpm running ? |
| 01:04.29 | nikko | no... I dont have it installed.... |
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| 01:04.52 | daeos | has anyone ever tried to use FreeNX ? |
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| 01:06.58 | piglet_ | I have follow the alsa install. It seems some software still does not work. |
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| 01:07.17 | piglet_ | Is that because they depend on the oss instead of alsa? |
| 01:07.35 | GoAuLd | no |
| 01:07.38 | SimonRaven | qotd |
| 01:07.42 | piglet_ | one example is the "sound" in preferences |
| 01:07.50 | bazz | are there any linux drivers (so i can get things like signal strength and be able to use kismet) for the broadcom bcm4306 (dell truemobile) chip. i have it working quite nicely with ndiswrapper but i'd like a native driver for the previously stated reasons. |
| 01:09.35 | dondelelcaro | bazz: yes, the bcm43xx project has pretty much reversed engineered it |
| 01:09.35 | GoAuLd | piglet_ i ripped out ANYthing containing OSS from my kernel/ apps / etc |
| 01:09.42 | GoAuLd | everything is working correctly |
| 01:09.43 | dondelelcaro | bazz: it basically works |
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| 01:10.27 | GoAuLd | even xmame and wine |
| 01:10.29 | stew | dondelelcaro: is the DSA on the kernel topicworthy maybe? |
| 01:10.41 | piglet_ | thanks. I will try |
| 01:10.52 | ttick | hmm, mplayer isn't for gcc 4.0? :/ And it's not in apt-get? Anyone know the best way to install it? |
| 01:11.07 | GoAuLd | ttick marillat |
| 01:11.09 | stew | ttick: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 01:11.14 | bazz | dondelelcaro: thanks much |
| 01:11.24 | yxa | damn freshclam keeps on crapping out on me. |
| 01:11.57 | ttick | thanks |
| 01:12.49 | adrakoa | ttick www.apt-get.org |
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| 01:13.18 | litage | i ran vim with ``sudo vi /foo/bar''. when quitting, vim says "E138: Can't write viminfo file $HOME/.viminfo!". i straced it and found this: "vi.strace:2386:open("$HOME/.viminfo", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)" i think the problem is that $HOME isn't interpolating /home/user . how can i fix this? |
| 01:13.28 | isilzha | what does apt regard "unused" actually? as he selected most of the gnome desktop to be removed last time he wants to get rid of most of kde and gnome this time. is there a way to tell him to stop this? |
| 01:13.33 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 01:13.34 | *** topic/#debian by dondelelcaro -> stable kernel DSA (1017-1) fixes multiple security bugs | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg 2006 key | NOTE: this is NOT #ubuntu. | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | X.org: sid, etch and /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java |
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| 01:13.48 | pipeline | isilzha: deborphan / orphaner |
| 01:13.52 | daeos | as i had said before, im wondering how to install FreeNX has anyone ever used it? |
| 01:14.07 | sloof3 | Can someone help me with a package problem? |
| 01:14.22 | sloof3 | How can I tell what version I'm using? |
| 01:14.33 | stew | dondelelcaro: thanks |
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| 01:14.56 | piglet_ | goAuld/ I am sorry. But where is my kernel directory. |
| 01:15.00 | GoAuLd | piglet_: there is one thing.. make sure U have activeted everything using alsamixer, i had no sound in xmame for example becouse i had three Via DXM channels deactivated |
| 01:15.25 | isilzha | pipeline: ok thanks i'll look into these |
| 01:15.28 | GoAuLd | different apps maybe uses different channels |
| 01:15.53 | GoAuLd | your kernel should be in /usr/src |
| 01:16.13 | GoAuLd | try first alsamixer it gotta work |
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| 01:16.59 | sloof3 | Will a Firefox package be added for my Debian release? I don't see it available. |
| 01:17.08 | Coweater | what release? |
| 01:17.15 | sloof3 | Coweater: How can I tell? |
| 01:17.27 | Azar | sloof3: mozilla-firefox |
| 01:17.37 | sloof3 | Azar: Don;t see it |
| 01:17.42 | bazz | dondelelcaro: /close |
| 01:17.46 | Azar | apt-get install |
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| 01:17.57 | bazz | oops :) |
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| 01:18.15 | sloof3 | Azar: nothing there. Maybe it's not available for my release..it is a bit old. |
| 01:18.28 | Azar | sloof3: what release? |
| 01:18.30 | sloof3 | I installed a whiel aog |
| 01:18.39 | stew | sloof3: what does "cat /etc/debian_version" say? |
| 01:19.13 | sloof3 | stew: Debian Buzz |
| 01:19.18 | Azar | haha |
| 01:19.19 | stew | woah |
| 01:19.22 | GoAuLd | (access denied) |
| 01:19.22 | stew | !buzz |
| 01:19.23 | dpkg | hmm... buzz is Debian 1.1, released June 1996 (474 packages, 2.0 kernel, fully ELF, dpkg) |
| 01:19.23 | GoAuLd | xD |
| 01:19.27 | Azar | your release is same as your speaking |
| 01:19.41 | Azar | "a bit" old |
| 01:19.52 | piglet_ | Alasmixer looks pretty complicated. I think I set it correct although I do not understand some of the buttons. |
| 01:20.12 | sloof3 | Hmm..what should I do then |
| 01:20.18 | Azar | sloof3: wouldn't installing Debian Sarge convenience you more? |
| 01:20.19 | piglet_ | I set mic on with big number. I also set the mic on in output |
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| 01:20.33 | sloof3 | Azar: What's Sarge? |
| 01:20.36 | yxa | how do I kill freshclam using cron every night at 3 am? |
| 01:20.42 | GoAuLd | piglet_, its complicated, just increase All volume bars activeting them all |
| 01:20.58 | Azar | sloof3: Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 - the stable release codenamed Sarge |
| 01:21.02 | piglet_ | I try to play the sound in "sound" program. there is no sound. |
| 01:21.03 | GoAuLd | using "m" for mute / unmute |
| 01:21.06 | stew | !d-i sloof3 |
| 01:21.06 | dpkg | sloof3, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 01:21.13 | DarkWingZE | hey |
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| 01:21.23 | stew | sloof3: i'd recommend you backup whatever is important and start with a fresh installer ^^^ |
| 01:21.33 | DarkWingZE | How do one make mozilla play streaming video? |
| 01:21.39 | sloof3 | stew: thanks |
| 01:21.44 | isilzha | pipeline: what would i do if both are not installed? |
| 01:21.56 | Azar | stew, make sure you write down your lspci output too |
| 01:22.18 | pipeline | isilzha: the former provides the latter |
| 01:22.19 | stew | Azar: anything that was running in 1996 is bound to be autodetect by the new installer |
| 01:22.21 | buu | Anyone happen to have a good way to get imlib11-dev on test/unstable? |
| 01:22.22 | isilzha | pipeline: is there a way to install something and preventing aptitude from checking for unused packages? |
| 01:22.22 | pipeline | isilzha: the latter is the program you want to run |
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| 01:22.43 | Azar | stew, hopefully yes |
| 01:22.58 | DarkWingZE | and? |
| 01:23.04 | isilzha | pipeline: still i would have to install this first |
| 01:23.14 | DarkWingZE | is there a way to play streaming video in Mozilla? |
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| 01:23.37 | GoAuLd | piglet_, if your sound card have 4 channels for the sound, for example, and you have actived only one (that was my case) the sound will sucks in many apps |
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| 01:24.09 | isilzha | DarkWingZE: depends which stream you refer to. |
| 01:24.12 | My8os | DarkWingZE: you can use mplayer and its plugin for firefox and mozilla |
| 01:24.26 | pipeline | isilzha: yes |
| 01:24.36 | DarkWingZE | isilzha: the media player streams |
| 01:24.59 | DarkWingZE | mplayer? |
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| 01:25.10 | piglet_ | My sound card is 5.1 abled. But I just want to 2-channel set since I only have normal speaker |
| 01:25.13 | isilzha | pipeline: but i don't want to remove 1gb first which i only would have to download again... |
| 01:25.23 | phaedral | k9copy is done; k3b is ready to burn, but I can't get the source disc to eject; clue, pretty please? |
| 01:25.26 | pipeline | isilzha: I don't follow, I'm afraid. |
| 01:25.50 | piglet_ | what is pcm? |
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| 01:25.57 | DarkWingZE | My8os: yes? |
| 01:26.07 | My8os | DarkWingZE: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/design7/news.html |
| 01:26.10 | GoAuLd | piglet_ even, u must activate them all |
| 01:26.17 | isilzha | pipeline: he wants to remove 557 packages. mostly gnome and kde. i don't want him to do that but don't have these programs installed you told me to use either |
| 01:26.34 | My8os | i use it for both video and radio streams |
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| 01:26.56 | My8os | and im very happy |
| 01:27.02 | pipeline | isilzha: Oh, this is a language thing. Aptitude, the program, wants to remove lots of packages and you don't want that to happen? |
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| 01:27.29 | demon_bot | I have a nice little problem.... on my hdd i have an ntfs(primary bootable) an fat16(extended) linux-swap(extended) and a reiserfs(extended). I no longer want the ntfs and fat32. How can I remove those and give the space to the reiserfs and still be able to boot my system. I'm using GRUB. |
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| 01:28.05 | isilzha | pipeline: yes |
| 01:28.10 | pipeline | demon_bot: Short version: you can't. Long version: you can't. Longer version: You could create an XFS volume, copy the data over, then grow the XFS volume. |
| 01:28.19 | pipeline | isilzha: Ah. You confused me with the word "he" |
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| 01:28.29 | resiak | Unhelpful answer: you should have used lvm |
| 01:28.36 | pipeline | isilzha: Well, you must have removed something important. Try using "apt-get -f install" |
| 01:28.43 | pipeline | resiak: Heh, reiserfs pukes when used on LVM, IIRC. |
| 01:28.45 | resiak | demon_bot: Making grub still work is not the problem, as long as you don't change the partition numbers around |
| 01:28.50 | daeos | anyone here ever used FreeNX ? |
| 01:28.56 | resiak | pipeline: That's why you use xfs instead of ricer ;) |
| 01:29.02 | sloof3 | Thanks I'm going install Sarge now. |
| 01:29.24 | isilzha | pipeline: i made adist-upgrade from sarge to etch |
| 01:29.48 | nnod | is anyone else having problems with evolution hanging after upgrading experimental? |
| 01:29.53 | pipeline | demon_bot: Your best bet is to get a rescue CD so that you can reinstall grub if needbe. Repartition your system with the extended reiserFS volume intact, a small /boot volume in ext3 format, and a large root volume in XFS filling the remaining space. |
| 01:29.57 | pipeline | isilzha: Ahah. That's why :\ |
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| 01:30.08 | piglet_ | interesting. Basically the "master" and "PC speaker" channel has no use. The sound is still there evern I muted them as long as "PCM" is on. |
| 01:30.10 | pipeline | isilzha: You're going to have to redownload eveyrthing anyway. Virtually every program on your system will need to be replaced. |
| 01:30.25 | Ketsa | hi all, how is the GUI equivalent to aptitude called already ? |
| 01:30.27 | demon_bot | pipeline: k thx... ill try that now |
| 01:30.39 | pipeline | Ketsa: synaptic |
| 01:30.44 | resiak | demon_bot: You could replace the first two partitions and replace them with one big partition which you mount as /stuff or something |
| 01:30.45 | Ketsa | thanks ) |
| 01:31.24 | piglet_ | Now, I can have Noatun and rthymbox, xmms work. But none of the recorder works |
| 01:31.25 | pipeline | demon_bot, resiak: heh, but he can't do that, because it would require him to reload the partition tables. |
| 01:31.29 | isilzha | pipeline: it did download a lot of things already during the process actually. you still would adviste me to use the -f switch? actually the response to this looks pretty good |
| 01:31.40 | piglet_ | and the "sound" in preference does not work |
| 01:31.51 | pipeline | isilzha: Heh, it doesn't really matter. Everything you download will stay in the package cache. Until you run "apt-get clean", nothing will be re-downloaded. |
| 01:31.58 | pipeline | isilzha: Just go forward with the dist-upgrade. |
| 01:32.12 | pipeline | isilzha: You do NOT want to screw with it. Trust me on that one. Stable -> testing upgrades are a tad hairy; let it do its thing. |
| 01:32.13 | resiak | pipeline: Sure, but as long as he doesn't renumber the partitions he leaves intact then there is no problem |
| 01:32.28 | pipeline | resiak: Heh, sure there is. Where is /boot ? :P |
| 01:32.35 | pipeline | resiak: Safer, more idiot-proof, to use a livecd. |
| 01:32.58 | resiak | pipeline: I don't know where /boot is, but as long as it's not on the vfat... |
| 01:33.25 | demon_bot | pipeline: /boot is on the reiser partition... i just chose to have 1 partition to install to |
| 01:33.25 | pipeline | demon_bot: After you repartition, you mkfs on the ext2 volume, copy your /boot, mkfs on the xfs volume, mount your new /boot, then use tar with the -l switch to copy everything off your reiserFS volume to the new XFS volume. You can then delete the old reiserFS volume, extend the xfs partition, reboot, and grow the XFS volume. |
| 01:33.27 | isilzha | pipeline: you mean is should prefereably allow it to remove those packages than using the switch? actually the upgrade already ran. it's just some issue with the locales that brought me to this new issue |
| 01:33.42 | isilzha | *i should |
| 01:33.44 | pipeline | isilzha: Yes. Just let it do whatever it wants to do, and clean up the mess later. |
| 01:34.25 | isilzha | pipeline: ok thank you |
| 01:34.47 | DarkWingZE | what does k6 mean? |
| 01:34.55 | DarkWingZE | 586 |
| 01:35.03 | pipeline | DarkWingZE: It was AMD's competition with the pentium |
| 01:35.11 | nvz | means AMD K6 |
| 01:35.24 | perezidentt | FliesLikeABrick: sorry I kept repeating but can you please help me, that should be my last question |
| 01:35.29 | DarkWingZE | I am running Athlon XP 2200+ |
| 01:35.38 | DarkWingZE | is that considered a K6? |
| 01:35.46 | stew | DarkWingZE: k7 |
| 01:36.02 | DarkWingZE | there is no such option |
| 01:36.17 | DarkWingZE | for installning a package it is k6 |
| 01:36.31 | DarkWingZE | so it is adviceable to not install it? |
| 01:36.41 | gravity | Sweet. Mepis is now based on ubuntu. Maybe that means we'll get fewer mepis users in here. |
| 01:36.50 | resiak | gravity: Don't bet on it ;) |
| 01:36.51 | stew | gravity: hah |
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| 01:37.00 | gravity | I can dream, can't I? |
| 01:37.01 | resiak | gravity: We get enough Ubuntu users.. |
| 01:37.05 | stew | DarkWingZE: what package? k6 would be a decent alternative if there is no k7 |
| 01:37.05 | resiak | No, you can't |
| 01:37.07 | resiak | It's illegal |
| 01:37.09 | gravity | heh |
| 01:37.12 | DarkWingZE | mplayer for debian |
| 01:37.50 | DarkWingZE | so it will not crash and burn ? |
| 01:38.03 | DarkWingZE | metaphorically speaking |
| 01:38.06 | stew | DarkWingZE: definately not |
| 01:38.22 | DarkWingZE | will it mess up my other programs or settings? |
| 01:38.28 | DarkWingZE | causing incompatibility? |
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| 01:40.09 | DarkWingZE | stew: will it cause incompability? |
| 01:40.21 | DarkWingZE | stew: affecting other pieces of programs |
| 01:40.31 | stew | DarkWingZE: no |
| 01:40.35 | DarkWingZE | okay :) |
| 01:40.36 | DarkWingZE | thanks:) |
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| 01:42.28 | DarkWingZE | so I have mplayer installed |
| 01:42.34 | DarkWingZE | so how do I get it to stream? |
| 01:42.37 | DarkWingZE | from a site? |
| 01:42.47 | DarkWingZE | example www.ea.com |
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| 01:42.58 | stew | DarkWingZE: "mplayer url" |
| 01:43.02 | Supaplex | or buy the upgrade HA j/k |
| 01:43.58 | DarkWingZE | hmmm |
| 01:44.07 | Supaplex | try http:// |
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| 01:44.32 | stew | DarkWingZE: there is also a browser plugin that is installable from mariallat |
| 01:44.38 | scratchi | I have some troubles with my soundcard to get it running (again), reading what dpkg say about alsa-checklist. So i have run as root 'alsaconf' but my card are no more detected. So i was thinking that there was going somethings wrong with 'isapnptools', so i have deinstall it; and have retry to install it again; but now he complain that the package have no installation candidata. Im been confused |
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| 01:44.50 | DarkWingZE | okay thanks:) |
| 01:45.08 | weasel00 | whats the default username for use when installing the phpmyadmin pkg? root doesnt work |
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| 01:45.41 | scratchi | So like it's an laptop running Etch; i need the isapnptool to get that soundcard working. Someone tips to install that package. |
| 01:46.03 | strider | weasel00: root with a blank password? |
| 01:46.05 | curt | xorg is not behaving. It wants to force vesa mode resolutions, even using the NV driver. Is it supposed to do that. My lcd is supposed to go 1600x1200@60hz. It's stuck at 1280. http://channels.debian.net/paste/2222 |
| 01:46.07 | resiak | weasel00: It's whatever the mysql admin username is, no? |
| 01:46.22 | phogg | !tell weasel00 about doesn't work |
| 01:46.24 | jUeZvIpEr | HOLA |
| 01:46.36 | jUeZvIpEr | alguien habla espaniol??? |
| 01:46.39 | weasel00 | tell phogg about the bird =) |
| 01:46.41 | weasel00 | !es |
| 01:46.41 | resiak | !es |
| 01:46.41 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 01:46.48 | amphi | scratchi: did you have a look at linux-laptop.net for info on configuring that card? |
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| 01:47.59 | Stevie | there's no utf-8 locale built on a shell I have. I don't have root. How can I build a local copy of the locale in my /home ? |
| 01:48.23 | scratchi | amphi: Yes; knowing that site ;-) i have already go on it; but i have mess the config up; while i was trying to get it working with the OSS |
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| 01:49.19 | scratchi | amphi: Before it whas been running with Alsa without troubles; but i think that there are something that goes wrong with the 'isapnptools' packages |
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| 01:49.58 | Supaplex | !info isapnptools |
| 01:50.11 | weasel00 | resiak : its odd. there is not install page with setting up the linking to the db, i just get the login page. hmmmm |
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| 01:51.07 | amphi | scratchi: ah... I haven't had isa for a while now |
| 01:51.11 | resiak | weasel00: So log in with the mysql admin username and password? |
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| 01:52.46 | seb- | am i the only one that noticed evolutiono secutiry upgrade made it unstable? no version works now right? |
| 01:53.04 | seb- | s/.../evolution |
| 01:53.07 | seb- | s/../security |
| 01:53.28 | curt | !tell zippy -about root |
| 01:53.49 | stew | seb-: bts? |
| 01:53.58 | seb- | stew: what is bts? |
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| 01:54.22 | Gnea | !bts |
| 01:54.23 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
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| 01:54.28 | weasel00 | resiak : shouldnt i be able to log as root? |
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| 01:54.33 | seb- | ahh |
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| 01:54.48 | Gnea | very helpful utility |
| 01:55.09 | resiak | weasel00: I don't know. |
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| 01:55.46 | anez46 | italia? |
| 01:55.59 | weasel00 | !it |
| 01:55.59 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
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| 01:56.44 | stew | i can't keep track of all of the /[Ss]eb.*/'s in here |
| 01:57.12 | sandman | Is there Visual Basic-like program for *nix? |
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| 01:57.39 | WhyWork | is there anyway to make install python2.4 instead of python2.3 in the debian base? or are there too many dependencies to 2.3? |
| 01:57.45 | weasel00 | resiak : just reset the password on mysqld to what it was and now it works.. very odd.. must be beer:30 =) |
| 01:57.56 | sandman | Or some visual/wyswig programming suite for *nix, whether it's for C[,++,#] or whatever? |
| 01:58.15 | pipeline | sandman: You can use Glade. Glade is a library and an application. |
| 01:58.28 | stew | WhyWork: you can install both, for now, /usr/bin/python must point to 2.3, that should hopefully transition to 2.4 sometime soon |
| 01:58.39 | WhyWork | thx |
| 01:58.39 | pipeline | sandman: The application is a GUI designer that generates ".glade" files. The library will load these files, and generate the interface, then expose the GUI objects to your application for you to use normally. |
| 01:58.50 | stew | WhyWork: nothing is stopping you from writing scripts with #!/usr/bin/python2.4 now |
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| 01:59.05 | pipeline | sandman: C# + GTK# + Glade is really a pretty pleasant way to do things. And, as an added bonus, your applications will work on any Windows machine that has MS .NET + GTK# installed :P |
| 01:59.06 | WhyWork | just wondering if there was a way to get 2.3 totally off the system |
| 01:59.09 | curt | !tell zippy -about root |
| 01:59.20 | curt | zippy you can't talk in here as root |
| 01:59.23 | pipeline | WhyWork: uh, can't you use env? |
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| 02:00.31 | sandman | pipeline: That sounds like peaches. |
| 02:00.37 | avonej | I have kind of a noob question about the built-in NIC in my Asus A8N-E (nForce 4) motherboard... apparently it's a Marvell/Syskonnect SK9xx series or something along those lines. There is built-in support for it in 2.6.16 but not Debian's default 2.6.8, and the motherboard CD only have drivers for 2.4.x |
| 02:00.46 | avonej | Anything I can do besides recompile to 2.6.16? |
| 02:01.00 | pipeline | sandman: note: glade isn't C# specific; it's just that the C# API for GTK/glade is the nicest one :) |
| 02:01.10 | avonej | The NIC manufacturers website is atrocious, too, so that isn't much help |
| 02:01.10 | pipeline | sandman: are you on sarge or etch? |
| 02:01.20 | sandman | pipeline: Sarge |
| 02:01.28 | pipeline | sandman: In that case, you'll need the standalone mono installer. |
| 02:01.28 | litage | i'm running asterisk on debian sarge (3.1). zaptel-1.2.4 is available as a debian package. would you guys recommend compiling zaptel-1.2.4 from source or using the debian package? |
| 02:01.50 | pipeline | sandman: ftp://www.go-mono.com/archive/1.1.13.4/linux-installer/1/mono-1.1.13.4_1-installer.bin |
| 02:01.59 | pipeline | sandman: You can go ahead and install glade2 normally, via apt. |
| 02:02.25 | pipeline | sandman: Mono is only packaged by debian for etch/unstable, but the Mono installer works fine on sarge :) |
| 02:02.33 | moshii | avonej: 2.6.16 is in unstable now |
| 02:02.47 | pipeline | sandman: If you get lost, go-mono.com and monodoc are your friends. Monodoc is a nice graphical documentation browser. |
| 02:02.49 | moshii | you could always build a custom kernel with kernel-package |
| 02:03.18 | avonej | moshii: I don't think it is... kernel.org says the latest stable is 2.6.16 |
| 02:03.34 | avonej | as of 3 days ago |
| 02:03.49 | moshii | daniel@rei:~$ uname -r |
| 02:03.49 | moshii | 2.6.16-1-k7 |
| 02:03.52 | moshii | :) |
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| 02:05.22 | sandman | pipeline: Hm. It appears that C# is supposed to replace c++/c, with CLR and all that good stuff. |
| 02:05.29 | sandman | pipeline: Or perhaps is C# just another RAD-tool? |
| 02:05.42 | avonej | http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/3/20/9 |
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| 02:06.30 | sandman | dpkg: vserver? |
| 02:06.30 | dpkg | well, vserver is a project to virtualize linux evironments and let's you run more then one server, it can be found at: http://vserver-13thfloor.at/, or a new url http://www.13thfloor.at/vserver/project/ |
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| 02:06.45 | sandman | oops, was supposed to be pm. |
| 02:06.54 | moshii | avonej: you need a 2.6.16 kernel right? unstable has 2.6.16 kernel images |
| 02:07.17 | [timmeh] | how can i remove a package, but completly so it has the setup screens again, when i use apt-get remove on phpmyadmin or php4 it dosent show the original blue screen setup |
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| 02:07.25 | moshii | avonej: apt-get install kernel-package and use it to build an image from source otherwise |
| 02:07.28 | avonej | Well that's what I'm asking... I don't know that my particular NIC's drivers can even be installed without 2.6.16... |
| 02:07.31 | pipeline | sandman: Heh, C# is indeed going to entirely replace C++ in the next generation of windows. |
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| 02:07.52 | pipeline | sandman: Legacy APIs will still work, of course, but Microsoft is not providing C++ APIs for new functionality. (Well, except for C++/CLI, which runs on top of the CLR anyway) |
| 02:07.54 | sandman | pipeline: I recall c# being an idea taken from some open project.. I think it was called CORBA? |
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| 02:08.01 | pipeline | sandman: No. |
| 02:08.06 | avonej | moshii: I'd rather do make menuconfig, make, and make modules_install =P |
| 02:08.07 | moshii | [timmeh]: apt-get --purge remove |
| 02:08.14 | [timmeh] | thankyou moshii |
| 02:08.17 | pipeline | sandman: Mono is an open implementation of C#. Quite a few linux desktop apps are being written in C# now. |
| 02:08.45 | nicolas__ | did anyone found a way to edit gnome menus ? |
| 02:08.46 | moshii | avonej: if you use kernel package you'll have standard linux-image, linux-headers etc packages, and updating the bootloader etc is handed |
| 02:09.13 | avonej | I don't mind vi /etc/lilo.conf |
| 02:09.34 | PerfDave | With make-kpkg you also get the easy way to *remove* your kernels :) |
| 02:09.44 | pipeline | nicolas__: on sarge, you can run applications:/// |
| 02:09.48 | moshii | avonej: you shouldn't really touch the lilo conf, you should adjust the vmlinuz etc symlinks |
| 02:09.56 | nicolas__ | pipeline: isnt this remove-only ? |
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| 02:10.18 | avonej | moshii: Why not??? I'm used to hacking that conf file all the time with other distros |
| 02:10.26 | pipeline | nicolas__: Nope |
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| 02:10.48 | pipeline | nicolas__: confusing, yes, but it does work :P |
| 02:10.50 | moshii | avonej: Debian has plenty of sane ways of doing stuff, why do it the "hehe I'm so geek" way |
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| 02:11.06 | avonej | PerfDave: What exactly is performed with the automation of removing the kernel uing make-kpkg? |
| 02:11.16 | RainbowW | so if i have a daemon complaining that it needs a jvm of at least 1.5, on sarge, and i do not have X installed, what are my options? |
| 02:11.36 | vulture | RainbowW: install a JVM of at least 1.5... |
| 02:11.41 | vulture | where's the problem? |
| 02:11.41 | moshii | avonej: it'll delete the kernel etc, and make sure your machine can still boot |
| 02:11.48 | nicolas__ | pipeline: is there some doc you know about that? |
| 02:12.06 | pipeline | nicolas__: nope |
| 02:12.09 | PerfDave | avonej: make-kpkg gives you a Debian package for your kernel. Installing that package updates your bootloader, removing it does the same, gets rid of all the files and modules etc., does a lot of sanity checking etc. It's just easier. |
| 02:12.16 | RainbowW | vulture: which? is there one packaged for sarge already that doesn't require X? the package descriptions don't make any sense to me. |
| 02:12.26 | avonej | moshii: I don't perscribe to either camp, I do things the way they make logical sense... besides, recompiling your operating system's kernel from source is not exactly what I call "sane" |
| 02:13.10 | vulture | RainbowW: why are you assuming something might require X? you could either install Sun's JRE outside Debian's package management system, or you can install java-package and use the make-jpkg program to create a Debian package from Sun's binary distribution |
| 02:13.15 | moshii | avonej: yeah... run unstable and get a 2.6.16 kernel image then ;) |
| 02:13.16 | avonej | I'm just used to editing things myself from Slackware, and I have limited experience with kernel-package |
| 02:13.30 | PerfDave | avonej: All the more reason to *get* experience with make-kpkg ;) |
| 02:13.44 | nicolas__ | pipeline: ok nice |
| 02:13.45 | RainbowW | vulture: i'm not except that the only installations i've ever seen are gui-based. |
| 02:13.46 | avonej | I agree, I'm interested in learning it |
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| 02:14.10 | moshii | avonej: it's just like normal, except you run a slightly different make command |
| 02:14.21 | Seb | sup y'all |
| 02:15.23 | avonej | Bbuutt that wasn't really what my questions was... I believe I need the 2.6.16 (which is stable at this point according to kernel.org and Linus Torvalds), but want to know if I can install my NIC drivers on an earlier release some other way |
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| 02:16.00 | avonej | Because I'm running into a paradox where I need to download things to update the system and get drivers but can't because my NIC is out of comission |
| 02:16.08 | moshii | avonej: if the drivers are in the kernel tree then you'd have to work out some way of ripping them out and making them work with the kernel you have |
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| 02:17.08 | moshii | avonej: I have this problem with my wireless nic all the time.. kernel upgrade == no module for the wireless nic == no internet to get the stuff it needs to build the module |
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| 02:17.26 | PerfDave | moshii: Get a better wireless NIC ;) |
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| 02:17.33 | moshii | avonej: hence I have a spare "just in case" card around |
| 02:17.36 | RainbowW | moshii: so get a better wireless card, or run some cat5. |
| 02:18.41 | avonej | moshii: Hmm, okay... no chance of getting it to work otherwise? I mean, it must have kernel support built in (which seems like my NIC is only supported by 2.6.16) in order to get this thing working? |
| 02:18.42 | PerfDave | Gah, I can't seem to umount this loopback image, lsof keeps telling me that it's not in use. |
| 02:18.42 | moshii | RainbowW: doesn't stop the module not being there on a kernel upgrade, how many wireless cards are supported in kernel? 1 or 2? |
| 02:18.42 | Seb | PerfDave: tried -f ? |
| 02:18.43 | PerfDave | Seb: Yep, doesn't work either. |
| 02:19.05 | Seb | PerfDave: lsof | grep /themountpoint right ? |
| 02:19.07 | avonej | Bah, never even heard of these NIC manufacturers... I usually get Broadcom or Realtek when I buy Asus board, guess I should've checked |
| 02:19.16 | PerfDave | moshii: With nice cards, it's trivial to rebuild kernel modules when you upgrade your kernel. |
| 02:19.29 | moshii | avonej: you either need to find a cheap realtek card, or something else that just works, or make a cdr with the packages you need |
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| 02:19.47 | moshii | PerfDave: my card is in module assistant |
| 02:20.06 | moshii | PerfDave: acx100 thingy ... shame module assistant isn't called on a kernel upgrade though :( |
| 02:20.10 | PerfDave | moshii: Then there should be no hassle with kernel upgrades. |
| 02:20.25 | Seb | PerfDave: ? |
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| 02:20.29 | PerfDave | moshii: You shouldn't need to download anything with a new kernel before you've built the NIC drivers |
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| 02:20.32 | PerfDave | Seb: Yes |
| 02:20.33 | cheal | PerfDave: you can't say that m-a is particularly nice with kernel updates |
| 02:20.41 | PerfDave | It's not particularly nasty. |
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| 02:21.00 | moshii | PerfDave: how do you get module-assistant to build for a different kernel than the one that's running? |
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| 02:21.11 | PerfDave | moshii: No idea, I've never needed to. |
| 02:21.11 | avonej | moshii: Right, I'm just frustrated because there doesn't seem to be any manufaturer supplied NIC drivers for 2.6 ... if that's the case I'm at a loss unless I upgrade to a kernel that has built-in support for my NIC, correct? |
| 02:21.19 | Seb | PerfDave: hmm |
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| 02:21.33 | moshii | avonej: you're running stable right? |
| 02:21.44 | Seb | PerfDave: tried fuser ? |
| 02:21.51 | BullWeivel | in debian...what command can i run to find out what kernel image i am running ? |
| 02:21.54 | nicolas__ | PerfDave, moshii: this causes a problem, the screen flickers three times until gdm goes in debug mode |
| 02:21.57 | Seb | BullWeivel: uname |
| 02:21.58 | moshii | BullWeivel: uname -r |
| 02:21.59 | cheal | PerfDave: right, it's just not helpful. it's still pretty bad that you end up with something like rt2500 even after doing extensive shopping |
| 02:21.59 | nicolas__ | this is really harrassing |
| 02:22.06 | avonej | moshii: Do you mean the kernel version or Debian version? |
| 02:22.10 | BullWeivel | alright... i knew that...dang it :( |
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| 02:22.17 | nicolas__ | someones gonna break his monitor |
| 02:22.21 | moshii | avonej: debian version, stable testing unstable |
| 02:22.29 | avonej | 3.1 sarge stable |
| 02:22.33 | PerfDave | cheal: TBH I don't know why rt2500 isn't in the Debian linux-image packages |
| 02:22.38 | Digital_Pioneer | Hi. I'm trying to convert some RPMs to DEBs, but I forget which program does that. |
| 02:22.39 | avonej | w/ kernel 2.6.8 |
| 02:22.45 | moshii | Digital_Pioneer: alien |
| 02:22.45 | Seb | Digital_Pioneer: alien |
| 02:22.51 | Digital_Pioneer | OK. |
| 02:22.54 | Seb | moshii: down to the second :) |
| 02:23.06 | Digital_Pioneer | For some reason I was thinking ghost something... LOL Thanks. |
| 02:23.22 | cheal | PerfDave: hum, because it's not in the main kernel tree :? |
| 02:23.29 | moshii | avonej: I'm not sure if you could just take the unstable packages and install them in stable.. you might be able to find a kernel backport you can install |
| 02:23.42 | PerfDave | cheal: I don't know why it's not in the main kernel tree then. |
| 02:23.50 | bighorn | Is there a way to check for a network interface to use, either eth0 or ra0, then connect to it? |
| 02:23.51 | talaok | hi |
| 02:23.52 | avonej | moshii: WHich unstable packages are you referring to? |
| 02:23.53 | moshii | Seb: Yeah, I've taken huge amounts of sleep pills and I'm hyper as |
| 02:23.57 | BullWeivel | whats the keywords for the apt bot in the chan to tell you what to do to upgrade your kernel ?? (im running 2.6.8 and im going to upgrade to 2.6.15 because my lilo is hosed and giving me weird ass issues) |
| 02:24.01 | cheal | PerfDave: I don't think it's going in before rt2x00 is completed |
| 02:24.14 | PerfDave | cheal: Fair enough. Hopefully that'll be before Etch releases ;) |
| 02:24.16 | Seb | moshii: :> |
| 02:24.18 | talaok | i buy an external modem ( us robotics) does linux support it |
| 02:24.26 | moshii | avonej: unstable has kernel 2.6.16 which you need, but I don't know if you will be able to install them in stable |
| 02:24.33 | PerfDave | talaok: It's a good idea to find that out *before* you buy it ;) |
| 02:24.49 | cheal | BullWeivel: I don't think the bot has such a factoid, but you seem to be looking for a way to break stuff |
| 02:24.50 | BullWeivel | talaok: likely....but not always. most externals that have dip switches on them work. |
| 02:24.53 | avonej | moshii: Why not just get the vanilla source from kernel.org and compile myself?? |
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| 02:25.05 | cheal | PerfDave: hopefully, yes, that would make me very happy |
| 02:25.09 | moshii | avonej: yeah, but use kernel package to do the work |
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| 02:25.26 | BullWeivel | cheal: LOL yeah i know huh... it has an upgrade factoid... to go from 2.4 to 2.6 i think. |
| 02:26.07 | avonej | moshii: Any reason other than the issue of convenience to use kernel-package? |
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| 02:26.11 | curt | BullWeivel, /msg dpkg listkeys |
| 02:26.21 | talaok | it's us robotics |
| 02:26.46 | moshii | avonej: kernel package will create real debian packages .. opposed to just mashed stuff into your system |
| 02:27.07 | cheal | !tell BullWeivel about 2.4->2.6 |
| 02:27.08 | moshii | avonej: s/mashed/mashing/ |
| 02:27.16 | cheal | BullWeivel: I still doubt that will help you |
| 02:27.28 | talaok | so what i do now ? |
| 02:27.48 | avonej | cp arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/kernel-2.6.16; vi /boot/grub/menu.lst; restart |
| 02:27.56 | avonej | What's wrong with that |
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| 02:28.19 | avonej | I mean how is that less clean? |
| 02:28.21 | Seb | avonej: some people like everything packaged, that's all |
| 02:28.26 | bighorn | is there a way to check for available network eth0 or ra0 (wireless) then connect to it on bootup? |
| 02:28.27 | moshii | avonej: how about dpkg -i linux-image-xxx |
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| 02:28.38 | sandman | What's among the better terminal emulators for X? |
| 02:28.49 | avonej | I'm not contesting this I just honestly don't know as I'm not entirely familiar with kernel-package and deb packages |
| 02:28.49 | Seb | sandman: aterm |
| 02:28.58 | Seb | sandman: some people like rxvt or eterm |
| 02:29.05 | Seb | sandman: the rest is pretty much bloated |
| 02:29.17 | tekian | Would there be any special reason as to why my kernel can't load my ethernet card when compiling from 2.4 to 2.6? |
| 02:29.25 | BullWeivel | curt: thanks...now im about to break some shit! hehehehe |
| 02:29.28 | Seb | avonej: just a matter of personal preference, as I pointed out... |
| 02:29.38 | curt | !bless BullWeivel |
| 02:29.38 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child BullWeivel, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 02:29.45 | BullWeivel | hahaha |
| 02:29.47 | moshii | avonej: you configure the kernel using menuconfig or whatever like normal and instead of make bzImage etc you just use make-kpkg :) |
| 02:29.47 | Seb | tekian: you mean the module for your card doesn't load ? What error do you get ? |
| 02:29.59 | tekian | device cannot be found. |
| 02:30.07 | fedya | i used makemaildir, and when i check the user mail the trash is nested under the inbox |
| 02:30.11 | tekian | But it is loaded within my config, so I'm a bit lost. |
| 02:30.12 | Seb | tekian: then it's prolly supported by another module in 2.6 |
| 02:30.21 | fedya | why are folders that should be next to the inbox nested in it? |
| 02:30.23 | fedya | any clues? |
| 02:30.33 | avonej | Seb: Okay... well does the kernel-package documentation explain exactly what it does so I can at least compare the two on a step-by-step basis? I at LEAST have to know what is going on if I use it... if it's easier then that's fine |
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| 02:31.08 | Seb | avonej: it pretty much puts all the manual steps into preinst/postinst scripts, in a nice package. I'm not sure what it is you're not seeing here. |
| 02:32.06 | Seb | fedya: how about #exim, or #sendmail, or whatever it is you're using ? |
| 02:32.16 | fedya | good call |
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| 02:32.53 | tekian | Seb, is there anyway to migrate my current config over to 2.6? I'm a bit new to Linux. Wouldn't know if that would work or not. |
| 02:33.11 | Seb | tekian: it won't |
| 02:33.18 | Seb | tekian: just use a debian precompiled image |
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| 02:33.33 | moshii | tekian: I think what Seb suggested is that support for your card has moved out of one module into another |
| 02:33.45 | Seb | tekian: that way all your HW ill work automatically. Also, this is the only type of kernels that we in #debian support. |
| 02:33.50 | moshii | tekian: you have to track down where it went :) |
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| 02:34.45 | tekian | Alright. Thanks :) |
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| 02:36.10 | BullWeivel | running lilo...i get this: Incompatible libdevmapper 1.01.04 (2005-08-02)(compat) and kernel driver Any ideas ???? |
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| 02:38.30 | fedya | no go, no one answering on #exim |
| 02:38.46 | Seb | fedya: wait it out |
| 02:40.04 | BullWeivel | lets start a debate...which is better... Grub or Lilo ??? |
| 02:40.24 | curt | grub |
| 02:40.29 | dadexter | which one gets your system booted? |
| 02:40.53 | BullWeivel | i have always been using lilo...but since this error wont go away... well im tihnking i need a change. |
| 02:40.53 | dadexter | oh wait.. they both do... we have a tie! gnite |
| 02:41.11 | BullWeivel | curt: why do you like grub compared to lilo ? |
| 02:41.45 | menko | Is it possible for normal people(like me) to make additions to dpkg? |
| 02:41.48 | curt | it syncs in nicely with my gnome |
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| 02:42.19 | BullWeivel | menko: you can run your own dpkg ...people do it all the time. |
| 02:42.23 | moshii | Grub is better because you don't have to rewrite the bootsector all the time :) |
| 02:42.32 | asg | mentor: /msg dpkg help |
| 02:42.35 | asg | bah |
| 02:42.35 | menko | No I mean the one here that has um.. info thingies.. |
| 02:42.36 | BullWeivel | curt: does grub have something trivial to setup like liloconfig where it asks you all the questions ?? |
| 02:42.40 | asg | menko: /msg dpkg help |
| 02:42.50 | menko | ok I'll read that thanks |
| 02:43.18 | curt | BullWeivel, even better it uses update-grub to do it for you base on what's in boot |
| 02:43.30 | Azar | dpkg just left |
| 02:43.44 | zOap | are there internet tv channels that suport linux video formats? |
| 02:43.45 | moshii | does d-i work with grub and XFS roots yet? |
| 02:43.53 | asg | dondelelcaro: dpkg just flew the coop :) |
| 02:43.59 | BullWeivel | one of the things i like about lilo is that if i run lilo and it doesnt error out...well almost always the box boots properly. grub have something like that ? |
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| 02:44.32 | moshii | BullWeivel: if your grub config is fudged you can sort it out from the grub command line |
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| 02:44.48 | moshii | BullWeivel: there are less dead end situations with grub |
| 02:44.50 | curt | BullWeivel, lost me there. like if your kernel panic lilo pick another? nah |
| 02:45.19 | PerfDave | curt: I think he means that lilo checks that the kernel file exists on the disk when you run "lilo" |
| 02:45.20 | BullWeivel | well no kernel panic and your screwed with lilo...reboot and catch it before it boots to chose another...or boot from floppy. |
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| 02:45.38 | BullWeivel | yeah...what PerfDave said ;) |
| 02:45.50 | curt | he's good for that |
| 02:46.05 | moshii | BullWeivel: update-grub finds the kernels you have installed, even better :) |
| 02:46.21 | isilzha | unfortunately i have yet more problems after the dist-upgrade from sarge to etch. now x doesn't want to start anymore. how do i configure this? or would i have to reinstall something? i'm sorry for not being able to provide the exact error |
| 02:46.42 | moshii | isilzha: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 02:46.50 | isilzha | thank you |
| 02:46.58 | moshii | isilzha: you really need to tell us where it dies though |
| 02:47.21 | isilzha | might be that solves it already. i give it a try |
| 02:47.36 | curt | isilzha, might want to peek at /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 02:49.26 | isilzha | "failed to initialize core devices" |
| 02:49.43 | moshii | isilzha: probably your mouse |
| 02:49.57 | isilzha | moshii: yes |
| 02:49.58 | BullWeivel | moshii: how can i be sure that update-grub found the kernel ?? |
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| 02:50.58 | isilzha | moshii: it is the mouse |
| 02:51.04 | moshii | BullWeivel: ah, it's one of those nice debian things .. install kernel-image packaged kernels and everything just works |
| 02:51.12 | moshii | isilzha: what sort of mouse do you have? |
| 02:51.30 | isilzha | moshii: usb |
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| 02:52.00 | moshii | isilzha: can you do lsmod | grep psmouse |
| 02:52.41 | BullWeivel | moshi: yeah i just did a apt-get install kernel-image...then ran update-grub ..but i didnt see it say anything...so i am wondering if i reboot if it will work |
| 02:53.03 | isilzha | psmaouse 17800 0 |
| 02:53.07 | isilzha | -a |
| 02:53.11 | moshii | BullWeivel: it should have outputted what kernels it found .. |
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| 02:53.43 | moshii | isilzha: ok cool, if you do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg you need to select /dev/input/mouse |
| 02:53.56 | moshii | isilzha: or something similar and hopefully that will work |
| 02:54.03 | isilzha | moshii: ok thank you |
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| 02:54.43 | qwertz | hello |
| 02:54.49 | qwertz | what is the specific syntax in sed to add # in the specific line numbers of a text file? say for example line 3 and 4 must have # as first character of their line, how do i do that in sed one-liner command? |
| 02:55.07 | moshii | qwertz: google for handy sed one liners |
| 02:55.14 | asg | qwertz: try #sed also |
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| 02:57.46 | diesel | How do I update the apropos (man -k) data |
| 02:59.01 | asg | diesel: man mandb |
| 02:59.24 | diesel | asg: excellent thanks |
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| 03:00.40 | Matthew_ | Great. This utility is listing a driver in the windows kernel that doesn't exist in the filesystem |
| 03:01.31 | mentor | At least Starforce is gone |
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| 03:01.51 | asg | mentor: Starforce? |
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| 03:03.41 | scratchi | !test |
| 03:03.41 | dpkg | Yes, scratchi, you're still online. |
| 03:03.49 | asg | !fix scratchi |
| 03:03.55 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:04.13 | asg | Azar: he's been doing those for a while |
| 03:04.16 | BarryAllen | hi all.... i was fedora/redhat user... and im looking a way to make my own deb packages of mya pplications.... there are anything like rpm specs? |
| 03:04.17 | sandman | If I'm running multiple chroots, and I set them up using debootstrap then dist-upgrade, it appears that exim will try to run in every chroot as well as the governing installation. |
| 03:04.20 | scratchi | !kill asg |
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| 03:04.27 | sandman | Will this mess things up? Or will the exims within teh chroots fail to startup? |
| 03:04.31 | Azar | asg, I just found it googling around for a postfix howto |
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| 03:04.38 | BarryAllen | or checkinstall is the best choice? |
| 03:04.48 | asg | Azar: pretty thorough too |
| 03:04.53 | PerfDave | !nmg BarryAllen |
| 03:04.58 | PerfDave | !nmg |
| 03:04.58 | dpkg | hmm... nmg is Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference are the documents you need to read, in that order, to make packages for the Debian project. http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
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| 03:05.08 | Azar | yep I like them.. :0) |
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| 03:05.11 | PerfDave | BarryAllen: ^^ |
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| 03:06.13 | infinity_ | i'm trying to compile rar for amd64. when i run dpkg-buildpackage i get this error: |
| 03:06.17 | infinity_ | dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: could not find any packages for libstdc++.so.5 |
| 03:06.25 | infinity_ | the package is installed for libstdc++ |
| 03:06.31 | asg | Azar: other good resources include debian-administration.org and howtoforge.com |
| 03:07.17 | sandman | If I have the dynamic dns "bla.ath.cx" assigned to my system from dyndns.org, should I set "ath.cx" as my domain, or bla.ath.cx? |
| 03:07.30 | sandman | And then my systems would be accessible via somesystem.bla.ath.cx? |
| 03:07.54 | PerfDave | sandman: Probably neither |
| 03:07.58 | Birdman | oi |
| 03:08.06 | Birdman | oi |
| 03:08.22 | sandman | What I'm thinking is: I'd setup chroot1.bla.ath.cx, chroot2.bla.ath.cx, etc for the /etc files in the chroots, so when mail is sent to my governing installation, I will be able to tell which chroot applies to what. |
| 03:08.27 | Birdman | voce fala portugues? |
| 03:08.36 | PerfDave | !br |
| 03:08.36 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 03:08.46 | sandman | And of course, keep exim from running in the various chroots. |
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| 03:08.55 | Birdman | do you speak portuguese? |
| 03:08.56 | PerfDave | sandman: Do you actually have control over individual records in bla.ath.cx? |
| 03:09.02 | PerfDave | Birdman: No |
| 03:09.06 | sandman | PerfDave: No. |
| 03:09.12 | sandman | PerfDave: You mean DNS records? |
| 03:09.16 | PerfDave | sandman: Yes |
| 03:09.17 | sandman | PerfDave: If I setup a DNS server, would I? |
| 03:09.26 | PerfDave | sandman: No |
| 03:09.27 | Birdman | i'm from brazil |
| 03:09.39 | sandman | PerfDave: Well, let's start with this: At this moment, no. Should I leave domain as localdomain, then? And just set the hostnames to chroot1, chroot2, etc? |
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| 03:09.48 | PerfDave | sandman: Probably best. |
| 03:10.01 | Birdman | speak so so english |
| 03:10.06 | sandman | PerfDave: What about the various exims that will try to startup with the dist-upgrades in the chroots? |
| 03:10.42 | Birdman | have girls here in room? |
| 03:10.46 | sandman | PerfDave: Won't they try to bind to the same port as the exim running @ my governing installation? What will happen? I don't want exim to run in any of the chroots, as mail sent to loopback should just be picked up by the exim @ the governing installation |
| 03:10.47 | PerfDave | Birdman: #debian is for conversation in English, #debian-br isfor in Portugese. |
| 03:11.08 | PerfDave | sandman: So configure exim not to run in those chroots, or replace exim with something else. |
| 03:11.19 | sandman | Birdman: What's it to you? |
| 03:11.56 | PerfDave | Birdman: I don't have girls in #debian, I have them in my bedroom. |
| 03:12.18 | Birdman | ok |
| 03:12.32 | Birdman | you have msn? |
| 03:12.47 | PerfDave | Birdman: #debian is for discussing Debian, not picking up chicks. |
| 03:12.56 | PerfDave | Birdman: Yes, I do. |
| 03:13.05 | Birdman | by by |
| 03:13.20 | Birdman | birdmanhga@hotmail.com |
| 03:13.26 | Birdman | by |
| 03:13.29 | sandman | WHy do I sometimes get the feeling that a lot of people in #debian actually use windows |
| 03:13.35 | sandman | wtf.. |
| 03:13.42 | PerfDave | sandman: CTCP VERSION gives out mIRC? :) |
| 03:13.43 | BarryAllen | Birdman, u make me shame to be from brazil too |
| 03:13.54 | sandman | PerfDave: Why would you even dignify that with a response? |
| 03:14.15 | David-SFN | Sandman: I use windows - but I run a debian server so isn't that a valid reason to be here? |
| 03:14.20 | PerfDave | sandman: Dignify what with a response? |
| 03:14.20 | Birdman | voce fala portugues |
| 03:14.27 | sandman | David-SFN: I suppose. |
| 03:14.32 | sandman | So not many people use Debian as a desktop system? |
| 03:14.34 | PerfDave | Birdman: You've been told, #debian-br for Portugese. |
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| 03:14.47 | PerfDave | Many people use Debian as a desktop system. |
| 03:14.50 | Birdman | ok |
| 03:14.57 | Birdman | thanks |
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| 03:15.20 | sandman | David-SFN: Why not you? Why do you use windows and not debian? |
| 03:15.27 | sandman | Is it not functional enough? :) |
| 03:15.30 | BullWeivel | whats the command to update your apt sources list ?? (like in the setup menu... i know where sources.list is at ;) ) |
| 03:15.38 | PerfDave | BullWeivel: apt-setup |
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| 03:16.38 | BullWeivel | PerfDave: i get no such command |
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| 03:16.47 | David-SFN | Mainly because I prefer office 2007 to openoffice/staroffice etc and i've only been running debian server for a week so my knowledge is close to squat |
| 03:16.47 | PerfDave | BullWeivel: Are you running it as root? |
| 03:16.54 | BullWeivel | yeppers |
| 03:17.01 | PerfDave | BullWeivel: Are you running Debian? |
| 03:17.38 | BullWeivel | yep... |
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| 03:17.42 | BullWeivel | on Debian. |
| 03:17.44 | PerfDave | Office 2007? Microsoft have got a time machine now? :) |
| 03:17.53 | PerfDave | BullWeivel: Have you finished the install process? |
| 03:17.56 | grendal_prime | how do i mesg another user from a terminal again? |
| 03:18.03 | BullWeivel | yes.. apt-update just like that ? |
| 03:18.13 | PerfDave | BullWeivel: No, "apt-setup" |
| 03:18.23 | David-SFN | PerfDave: Nah, office beta tester- but it's already so many miles ahead of everything else in progress or currently available |
| 03:18.31 | grendal_prime | mesg username type message here? |
| 03:18.33 | scratchi | Somebody need to reinvent 'KILL BILL' :-) |
| 03:18.35 | BullWeivel | PerfDave: oh sorry..thats what i meant. |
| 03:18.46 | grendal_prime | anyone know this..i really need it |
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| 03:18.58 | grendal_prime | i though it was just mesg but that seems to not be it |
| 03:19.03 | PerfDave | David-SFN: Fair enough. I'm happy with OOo, haven't even upgraded to OOo 2.x yet |
| 03:19.32 | BullWeivel | PerfDave: I can run apt-get upgrade and apt-get update and other stuff... |
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| 03:19.40 | PerfDave | BullWeivel: But not apt-setup? |
| 03:19.41 | BullWeivel | just not apt-setup |
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| 03:19.48 | grendal_prime | PerfDave, please... |
| 03:19.59 | PerfDave | grendal_prime: Please what? |
| 03:20.10 | Seb | fedya: what program would I use to trim an AVI file a bit ? |
| 03:20.11 | curt | grendal_prime, talk write ... |
| 03:20.16 | grendal_prime | ya ither one |
| 03:20.18 | David-SFN | The other reason I stick with windows is Active Directory, there isn't really a linux eqivilent |
| 03:20.23 | curt | talk user <stuff> |
| 03:20.24 | grendal_prime | write username then the message? |
| 03:20.26 | PerfDave | David-SFN: Samba |
| 03:20.27 | grendal_prime | thanks |
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| 03:20.45 | BullWeivel | David.... uhhh no equivalent? what are you trying to do ??????? |
| 03:20.55 | scratchi | PerfDave: Not comparable to samba, it's not the same goal |
| 03:21.13 | David-SFN | Scratchi: just what I was going to say |
| 03:21.20 | BullWeivel | LDAP is Active Directory its the same thing basicaly. |
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| 03:21.39 | BullWeivel | actualy...i have that reversed... AD is LDAP :) |
| 03:21.42 | scratchi | PerfDave: Samba is to share shit with windows an other OS's; |
| 03:21.51 | PerfDave | scratchi: Samba does a lot more than filesharing. |
| 03:21.55 | David-SFN | LDAP hasn't got group policy tho |
| 03:22.02 | scratchi | PerfDave: Active directory is an thing to manage the users; rights etc... |
| 03:22.16 | BullWeivel | david... it doesnt? i thought it did. |
| 03:22.22 | Seb | what program would I use to trim an AVI file a bit ? Like audacity, but for video files... |
| 03:22.23 | BullWeivel | yeah it does. |
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| 03:22.27 | scratchi | PerfDave: Active directory is a bit strange to explain; exerience with it/? |
| 03:22.44 | jetscreamer | Seb: avidemux is easy for that |
| 03:22.46 | PerfDave | scratchi: Samba can provide Active Directory services to networks of Windows machines. http://www.samba.org/ |
| 03:23.04 | Seb | jetscreamer: cool, thanks man |
| 03:23.07 | jetscreamer | seb it's on marillat iirc |
| 03:23.09 | PerfDave | scratchi: My experience of Active Directory is limited to replacing it with Samba :) |
| 03:23.30 | curt | hehe |
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| 03:23.37 | BullWeivel | that was funny! |
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| 03:23.44 | scratchi | PerfDave: Yes, but have really not the same power as the Active Directory, he can many more; i know Windows users want ONE tool to do al the tasks |
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| 03:24.01 | David-SFN | scratchi: this is true |
| 03:24.04 | PerfDave | These days, most of my experience of Windows is replacing it with Debian, happily :) |
| 03:24.13 | jetscreamer | but doesn't ask and doesn't want to know |
| 03:24.15 | cire | might someone please have a look at http://pastebin.com/619348 ? I have problems enabling direct rendering in X. (I set driver to "i810" in xorg-config). The display stays blank after initializing X Server. I can log in (CTRL-ALT-F1), but don't see anything. This way I produced the log you can see at pastebin. It would be very nice if someone took the time to have a look at it, since I am triing to get it running for weeks, now. |
| 03:24.20 | LinuxNIT | what module for a intel ICH6 sata controller? |
| 03:24.43 | PerfDave | scratchi: Most Windows admins I know use Samba for Active Directory services, it's more stable and handles replication better. |
| 03:24.55 | BullWeivel | PerfDave: well since apt-setup wont run... i guess i can reinstall apt right ? (apt-get uhhhh apt ) |
| 03:24.59 | jetscreamer | cire i know nothing but did you load the dri module for the kernel? |
| 03:25.07 | [timmeh] | anychance someoen could explain to me or link me to a guide to reconfigure my kernel for smp support. |
| 03:25.10 | mombof | anyone get java jre to build on a mipsel? |
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| 03:25.28 | cire | jetscreamer: wait, I'll check this. But I think yes. |
| 03:25.32 | scratchi | PerfDave: I know also that i need to go deeper into the Samba thing; Like you explain it there ... Im not surprised that GNU/Linux have an better tool. |
| 03:25.33 | PerfDave | BullWeivel: Do you really have no /usr/sbin/apt-setup ? |
| 03:25.36 | Uops | Alguem do Brasil? |
| 03:25.52 | scratchi | 8br |
| 03:25.56 | David-SFN | the LDAP side of AD is easy to replace. However what about the system management side? Can in an entirely linux environment policy be set for what software a machine has and who can use it? |
| 03:25.58 | menko | cire: I have a sis and the dri wouldn't work, I had to download one from dri.freedektop.org , so maybe try that, sorry I can't be of much more help |
| 03:26.02 | Brasileiro | =D |
| 03:26.03 | gravity | !br |
| 03:26.03 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 03:26.03 | scratchi | !br |
| 03:26.05 | PerfDave | David-SFN: Yes |
| 03:26.07 | scratchi | oeps |
| 03:26.15 | PerfDave | Uops: #debian-br. But you're not using Debian, you're using Kurumin, so #debian-br won't be able to help you. |
| 03:26.24 | Brasileiro | to usando o X-chat e é horrivellllllllll |
| 03:26.50 | Brasileiro | para entrar em outro canal é /l nome do canal certo? |
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| 03:26.55 | David-SFN | PerfDave: Can I set all of that up in a matter of hours? |
| 03:26.56 | cire | jetscreamer: checked it, it is compiled into the kernel |
| 03:27.03 | PerfDave | David-SFN: I don't know, can you? :) |
| 03:27.18 | [timmeh] | how can i reconfigure my kernal? |
| 03:27.22 | PerfDave | David-SFN: You can probably set it up more quickly than I could set up Active Directory :) |
| 03:27.28 | PerfDave | [timmeh]: What are you trying to achieve? |
| 03:27.29 | gravity | !tell Brasileiro about br |
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| 03:27.38 | cire | menko: I hate those non-dist solutions, but in the end I might use the driver from the intel homepage... |
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| 03:27.48 | PerfDave | gravity: He's not using Debian, he's using a Brazilian Debian-based LiveCD called Kurumin. |
| 03:27.51 | scratchi | David-SFN: If you know good Debian; everything can be setup in an less of time |
| 03:27.52 | [timmeh] | atm i dont have smp support |
| 03:27.57 | streuner_ | !kurumin |
| 03:27.57 | dpkg | Kurumin Linux is a Brazilian run-from-CD Linux distribution based on Knoppix. That means it's not debian. Go away.. Ajuda pra Kurumin: http://www.kurumin.com.br |
| 03:27.59 | Seb | Brasileiro: /join #elcanal |
| 03:28.01 | [timmeh] | so its only picking up one proccessor |
| 03:28.07 | PerfDave | [timmeh]: Don't reconfigure your kernel, install a -smp kernel-image package. |
| 03:28.16 | [timmeh] | ok thankyou |
| 03:28.20 | BullWeivel | PerfDave: no i dont have that in my /usr/bin how do i reinstall the package ?? |
| 03:28.25 | Seb | [timmeh]: did you get the -smp debian precompiled kernel image > |
| 03:28.28 | Seb | PerfDave: heh, nice ;) |
| 03:28.29 | gravity | PerfDave: Meh, I don't care. I'm just trying to enforce the English requirement in this channel. If #debian-br wants to help him, that's fine |
| 03:28.33 | PerfDave | BullWeivel: I said /usr/sbin |
| 03:28.34 | Brasileiro | thank you |
| 03:28.47 | David-SFN | Scratchi: Which is infact my problem entirely, I don't know good debian, I do however know windows very well (finished my MCSA, thinking of MCSE) hence why I stick with what I know |
| 03:28.49 | Seb | Brasileiro: de nada |
| 03:29.06 | [timmeh] | its got the kernal taht was set when i received the server from the datacenter |
| 03:29.08 | cire | This is annoying me a bit. I am not a linux expert, but I have a lot experience with Windows, and using linux now (completely replacing windows) for 3 years, now. But I am still not able to install a graphics card correctly. Am I stupid? ;) |
| 03:29.11 | PerfDave | David-SFN: Obviously you don't stick with what you know, otherwise you wouldn't be running a Debian server and on #debian ;) |
| 03:29.16 | BullWeivel | PerfDave: none of my apt programs where there...they are all in usr/bin |
| 03:29.25 | [timmeh] | http://72.232.69.34/phpsysinfo/ is the server |
| 03:29.29 | PerfDave | BullWeivel: Which version of Debian are you running? |
| 03:29.35 | Seb | cire: we don't know yet |
| 03:29.40 | BullWeivel | ns1:/# which apt-get |
| 03:29.42 | BullWeivel | testing |
| 03:29.44 | jetscreamer | [timmeh]: don't you need an smp enabled stock debian kernel-image? |
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| 03:29.47 | Seb | cire: but we'll soon find out :> |
| 03:29.54 | cire | hehe |
| 03:30.00 | Seb | jetscreamer: yeah we just told him that |
| 03:30.03 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 03:30.04 | [timmeh] | yeah i got it figured now |
| 03:30.05 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 03:30.13 | [timmeh] | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:30.14 | Seb | jetscreamer: np :) |
| 03:30.22 | PerfDave | BullWeivel: Maybe a bug? Use p.d.o to find out which package in testing "should" provide apt-setup, then check the bugs for that package. |
| 03:30.29 | jetscreamer | isn't that an older kernel? |
| 03:30.31 | David-SFN | PerfDave: This is true, however what i'm doing with debian just happens to be better under linux the windows, I could however of done it with windows about 2 weeks ago and not still be trying to work out why everytime i boot i get kernel panics :p |
| 03:30.50 | David-SFN | but it's all good fun, got to learn something eventually! |
| 03:30.53 | cire | Seb: just have a look at http://pastebin.com/619348, and tell me if there's something wrong ;) I just can't find anything wrong, and if you can, I'll fix it. And if not, it's perhaps (hopefully) not my fault. |
| 03:31.00 | BullWeivel | PerfDave: okay its screwed up!! i just tried to locate apt-setup and i guess it was on the box before... locate shows it in sbin, but its aint there... i just did apt-get upgrade and likely that hosed it. |
| 03:31.01 | PerfDave | David-SFN: Heh, I have the same problem with random BSODs. |
| 03:31.15 | PerfDave | BullWeivel: Try reinstalling base-config then? |
| 03:31.21 | grendal_prime | ok says write is turned off..how do i turn it on? |
| 03:31.24 | BullWeivel | PerfDave: whats the command to reinstall ?? |
| 03:31.32 | grendal_prime | man page is no help on this for some reason |
| 03:31.32 | PerfDave | BullWeivel: apt-get --reinstall install base-config |
| 03:31.37 | [timmeh] | <jetscreamer> atm im using the same version but not smp |
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| 03:31.50 | Seb | cire: how about describing shortl ywhat the pb is |
| 03:32.03 | Seb | cire: because reading 200 lines of log before anything else just doesn't appeal to me so much |
| 03:32.16 | David-SFN | PerfDave: It happens, but at least only once in a blue moon now days, which is hoping will happen to my kernel panics |
| 03:32.44 | Seb | cire: hint: thou shalt not use the cursed words "doesn't work" when describing your pb |
| 03:32.50 | PerfDave | [timmeh]: You probably want to install kernel-image-2.6-686-smp |
| 03:33.18 | cire | I did this a few lines up, but I'll do it again. I set "driver" "i810" in xorg.conf (vesa works without direct rendering), Booting up causes blank screen when x-server initializes. I can switch to console, and log in, but the display stays blank. |
| 03:33.31 | Seb | PerfDave: even if he wanted to, he couldn't ;) |
| 03:33.37 | jetscreamer | cire: did you leave the pci bus blank when you reconfigured xorg? |
| 03:33.46 | jetscreamer | WW) I810: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0:2:1) found |
| 03:33.50 | jetscreamer | what's up with that |
| 03:33.54 | PerfDave | David-SFN: Last time it happened, it turns out that Win2K deletes all the IDE drivers except the one you install with, once you've finished installing. So when you replace your motherboard with one with a different IDE chipset, you need to reinstall the entire bloody OS. |
| 03:34.07 | unix_infidel | how do i turn off the greeting in vim? |
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| 03:34.39 | cire | jetscreamer: I think the correct PCI bius address is 0:2:0 |
| 03:34.54 | Aonix | if I put a "!" instead of a password in /etc/passwd, will it prevent that account from being used? |
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| 03:35.03 | cire | I thought this (0:2:1) was secondary adapter, for external screens |
| 03:35.03 | npx | I've got a bunch of nested directories of html with images sparsely placed everywhere; anyone know of a program to iterate through them, move all the images to one directory without overwriting anything, and change the src properties? |
| 03:35.13 | Seb | Aonix: i usually give /bin/false as a shell, rather |
| 03:35.22 | PerfDave | Aonix: You shouldn't have passwords in /etc/passwd |
| 03:35.27 | Seb | Aonix: that way you don't have to obliterate their passwd, if for some reason you wanna reallow login later on |
| 03:35.37 | Aonix | Seb: i also did that, but if I put "!" will it be... more secure? lol |
| 03:35.50 | Seb | Aonix: no it won't, /bin/fals,e is plenty enough |
| 03:35.57 | Seb | s/,e/e,/ |
| 03:36.06 | Seb | s/,// even |
| 03:36.07 | Seb | sheesh |
| 03:36.20 | cire | this is a line from xorg-conf file: BusID "PCI:0:2:0" |
| 03:36.23 | Aonix | oki thanks |
| 03:36.36 | David-SFN | PerfDave: Yeah, painful especially if hardware fails. There is actually a tool that drops all the chipset/ide etc drivers and then reinstalls them on reboot- but it's little known. But it's fair to say windows has it's flaws, so does debian - it's more about what you need to use to get the job done |
| 03:36.40 | unix_infidel | anyone for the vim question, how do i turn off the greeting that defaults in vi? |
| 03:36.52 | PerfDave | David-SFN: Nah, Debian's perfect :) |
| 03:36.56 | isilzha | moshii: unfortunately this didn't work. same error as before. i wonder though where this comes from as it worked with the same setting using xfree86 in sarge |
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| 03:37.07 | cire | I don't know whether someone is just investigating my problem, but if: would a pastebin of my xorg-conf file help? Or what else do you need? |
| 03:37.14 | jetscreamer | cire did your google-fu unearth http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?threadid=340827 |
| 03:37.49 | grendal_prime | i swear i have never been so frustrated in my life |
| 03:37.58 | scratchi | David-SFN: I think also; 'It depend on how many you know of you're system!' |
| 03:38.05 | PerfDave | Right, I'm off to bed, got a job interview in 8.5 hours and I haven't slept yet. |
| 03:38.11 | infinity_ | i'm trying to compile rar for amd64. when i run dpkg-buildpackage i get this error: |
| 03:38.14 | infinity_ | dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: could not find any packages for libstdc++.so.5 |
| 03:38.32 | grendal_prime | ok two users booth loged in as root one on tty1 (not me) he is sending me messages...every time i try and write him it just kicks up the help text |
| 03:38.51 | grendal_prime | the context is...write root tty1 this is the text? |
| 03:38.57 | cire | jetscreamer: I am just using 915resolurion. With vesa this is fine. |
| 03:39.00 | scratchi | PerfDave: GO to sleep and take the most chances with you; good luck ;-) |
| 03:39.14 | PerfDave | scratchi: Cheers |
| 03:39.22 | PerfDave | grendal_prime: Try reading the help text, or the manpage :) |
| 03:39.25 | David-SFN | scratchi: normal people have heard of linux, they just don't understand it, because it's not unified- you have so many choices and people end up in an information overload |
| 03:39.25 | cire | btw: what does "google-fu unearth" mean? |
| 03:39.25 | jetscreamer | cire also http://ftp.x.org/pub/X11R7.0/doc/html/i810.4.html |
| 03:39.29 | grendal_prime | i read both |
| 03:39.37 | jetscreamer | it means did you find it |
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| 03:40.24 | scratchi | David-SFN: A bit true; because GNU/Linux have so many power; it's look to be complicated |
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| 03:41.10 | PerfDave | Normal people have never seen a Linux system. My parents were shocked that my Linux box had a GUI and played sound. |
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| 03:41.22 | PerfDave | They thought it was some homebrew Finnish project that was more like DOS. |
| 03:41.35 | dadexter | most non-Linux users think the same |
| 03:41.40 | David-SFN | yeah i'd believe that |
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| 03:41.51 | David-SFN | ubuntu seems to be making inroads on that problem tho |
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| 03:42.05 | PerfDave | My girlfriend had never seen Linux before, I gave her an account on my box to check her webmail etc. when she was at my house, and a few months later she asked me to Debianise her PC :) |
| 03:42.06 | pjv | how can i make it possible for a user to execute an app without a password in sudo? |
| 03:42.26 | scratchi | UNIX is not Linux; a bit of confussion for somepeople i think (Not the people here ;-)) |
| 03:42.32 | PerfDave | pjv: By setting the appropriate configuration in the sudo config (NOPASSWD if I remember rightly) |
| 03:42.33 | npx | PerfDave, give me her phone number so I can.. uh.. verify |
| 03:42.38 | PerfDave | scratchi: No, GNU's Not Unix ;) |
| 03:42.44 | David-SFN | argh |
| 03:42.48 | PerfDave | npx: No, she's asleep, I'm using her Debian laptop. |
| 03:42.54 | David-SFN | STUPID recursive acronym... gnu... grrr |
| 03:43.27 | pjv | PerfDave: i must have it set wrong cause it doesn't work, do you have an example? |
| 03:43.38 | BullWeivel | any ideas on this one?? Google is sucking for a decent answer.. when i run lilo i get this: Failure to communicate with kernel device-mapper driver. |
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| 03:43.48 | BullWeivel | that is one of many messages that i get |
| 03:43.57 | BullWeivel | Incompatible libdevmapper 1.01.04 (2005-08-02)(compat) and kernel driver |
| 03:44.02 | David-SFN | I have no problems with gnu/linux but it's just the names, things like YUM, gimp, gnu etc /rant |
| 03:44.05 | Aonix | Seb : if i want to SU that user, do I need to put a ! in the password file for that user so I'm sure he won't be able to login with it? |
| 03:44.16 | npx | What's in a name? |
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| 03:45.07 | scratchi | npx: ?? |
| 03:45.19 | cire | Thanks for your help. I don't know what I might do about that, but my last idea is to connect an external screen... perhaps my laptop's own is not initialized correctly. |
| 03:45.29 | Aonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:45.40 | PerfDave | pjv: Sorry, I don't use sudo |
| 03:45.44 | PerfDave | David-SFN: Vista? ;) |
| 03:45.46 | Stevie | I use judo |
| 03:45.52 | Stevie | I karate chop the programs into running as root |
| 03:45.52 | isilzha | after doing a dist-upgrade from sarge to etch i can't run my x anymore. the error is that there were problems initializing core devices. my mouse to be precise. i already ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg without changes to the problem. i wonder most why there are problems with my mosue in the first place. xfree86 on sarge did work with the same settings for the mouse |
| 03:45.54 | scratchi | lol |
| 03:46.00 | pjv | anyone use sudo? |
| 03:46.03 | David-SFN | PerfDave: should of seen that coming! |
| 03:46.13 | PerfDave | David-SFN: Anyway, GIMP runs on Windows too. |
| 03:46.22 | Stevie | GIMP rules |
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| 03:46.50 | David-SFN | yeah i know, i just couldnt remember the one i have real trouble with... Vi! nano or Jo |
| 03:47.54 | scratchi | David-SFN: You mean vi or vim |
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| 03:48.13 | David-SFN | vi the ! was grammer |
| 03:48.23 | David-SFN | punctiatiom* |
| 03:48.27 | scratchi | David-SFN: nano, joe are really easy to use! vi a MB lesser, but he have the most power |
| 03:48.35 | David-SFN | argh my spelling is bad today |
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| 03:48.59 | lavi | pjv: what is problem with u? |
| 03:49.01 | roler | how do I get a list of packages that are installed? |
| 03:49.14 | David-SFN | scratchi: yeah i like nano - only one i use |
| 03:49.21 | lavi | yes, use dpkg. |
| 03:49.24 | PerfDave | roler: "dpkg -l" or aptitude will show you |
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| 03:49.36 | roler | PerfDave, thanks! |
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| 03:49.42 | scratchi | roler: dpkg get-selections "*" > textfile ?? |
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| 03:50.30 | roler | scratchi, ;thanks too |
| 03:50.46 | scratchi | David-SFN: I a manner i hate nano an i love the power that vim have :-/ |
| 03:50.57 | scratchi | s/I/in |
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| 03:51.20 | Reilithion | Hey, I'm looking for a program (or just a way, I don't care if it's a program) to pipe input from my keyboard through a program and have the output of that program typed into an X window. What can I use to accomplish this? |
| 03:51.30 | scratchi | s/bugssss/by_good :-/ write also many bad things |
| 03:51.43 | PerfDave | Reilithion: xmessage? |
| 03:52.03 | isilzha | actually the log claims as well that DRIScreenInit failed. how could i fix this? |
| 03:52.07 | Reilithion | PerfDave, not familiar with that. I'll look it up |
| 03:52.10 | Aonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:52.29 | David-SFN | must be off, interesting conversation tho, i must idle around here more often (might learn a thing or 2) |
| 03:52.31 | David-SFN | cya |
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| 03:53.58 | Reilithion | Ah. PerfDave, I mean a specific window that already exists. I want it to use the output from the program as the input for that window, as if I had typed it myself. |
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| 03:54.51 | Aonix | well, I want to disable a user right to logon (and if i put /bin/false, i can't su to that user), the proper way of doing that (except putting a strong password) is to put "!" at the place of the password right? |
| 03:55.53 | LtL | Aonix - modinfo user ..maybe. |
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| 03:56.59 | Aonix | LtL : putting "!" or "*" instead of the password shouldn't prevent a user from logging in? |
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| 03:57.48 | Agrajag- | Aonix: if you don't want a user to login, put /bin/false as their shell |
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| 03:58.00 | LtL | Aonix - maybe, but I doubt it's a 'good' approach. |
| 03:58.11 | Aonix | Agrajag- ; as I said, I cannot "su" to that user if i put /bin/false... |
| 03:58.14 | Agrajag- | Aonix: yes you can |
| 03:58.27 | Aonix | I just did it and su wasn't suing to that user |
| 03:58.34 | Agrajag- | oh wait i'm mistaken |
| 03:58.39 | johncudd | where do I go to learn/mess-around with IRC? I'm new to IRC. |
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| 03:59.48 | Aonix | anyways, it's because my memory is a forgotten faculty I'm asking if "!" instead of the password prevent any login to that user... because i think it is that thing... |
| 04:00.11 | Hitch | Hi friends, A question from who is without the kernel source installed. On linux is there native support of freebsd applications? |
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| 04:02.01 | LtL | Aonix - My mistake, use 'usermod' to do anything to the acct. |
| 04:02.30 | jakllsch | Is there a way to choose the default gcc when more than one version is installed? |
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| 04:04.50 | Hitch | jakllsch: you cant set your CC enviroment variable on the profile for the default. |
| 04:04.55 | madd_matt | If i wanted to find out what daemon was listening on what TCP port, how would I do that? |
| 04:05.27 | Hitch | madd_matt: As root do netstat -p |
| 04:05.32 | ShdB | jakllsch: or with the alternatives system |
| 04:05.38 | LtL | madd_matt - netstat -tunap |
| 04:05.38 | ShdB | madd_matt: or lsof |
| 04:06.15 | madd_matt | thanks (y) netstat -tunap was what i wanted |
| 04:06.47 | LtL | madd_matt - man netstat :) Welcome. |
| 04:07.12 | madd_matt | man pages for the win ;) for some reason the netstat one confused me. |
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| 04:08.27 | LtL | madd_matt - You said 'win' ..eesh. |
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| 04:09.20 | LtL | windows does games great! /end off topic/ |
| 04:10.27 | Reilithion | soon, ReactOS will do games great. *nodnod* |
| 04:13.34 | Reilithion | So, I'm looking for a way to pipe input from my keyboard through a program and have the output of that program typed into an X window as its input (as if I had typed it there myself). What can I use to accomplish this? |
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| 04:13.46 | gravity | Reilithion: xmessage |
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| 04:13.55 | npx | yeah, wine was supposed to do games great too =) |
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| 04:14.25 | Reilithion | npx, and wine was in alpha for 4+ years |
| 04:15.10 | karma | Looking for some assistance in getting qpopper to run stand alone. |
| 04:15.13 | npx | if you feel the need to reimplement an operating system within another one, why would you choose to reimplement the proprietary one? shortest open path first: services for unix, cygwin, etc |
| 04:15.14 | Reilithion | gravity, an existing window, as input |
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| 04:16.28 | gravity | Reilithion: There's apps out there to script X but I haven't used any |
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| 04:17.09 | npx | Reilithion, you can do that with dcop pretty easily |
| 04:17.13 | Reilithion | Basically, all I'm really after is a pipe that can go between the console and an X interface |
| 04:17.16 | npx | in e.g. kate |
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| 04:17.40 | gravity | Reilithion: Check out the xautomation package maybe? |
| 04:18.07 | Reilithion | ok, I'll read up on dcop and xautomation. thanks for the suggestions. ^_^ |
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| 04:18.21 | gravity | Good luck! |
| 04:18.41 | Reilithion | Thank you, gravity |
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| 04:20.04 | LtL | aka 9.8 M/sec^2 = gravity? jk :) |
| 04:20.14 | gravity | :-) |
| 04:20.17 | LtL | aka newton |
| 04:20.21 | gravity | LtL: Only on good days :-) |
| 04:20.37 | gravity | Sometimes I'm tired and I drag a little ;-) |
| 04:20.49 | LtL | yeah, we hate drag |
| 04:21.03 | Reilithion | how 'bout that terminal velocity, eh gravity? |
| 04:21.11 | niaht | we like things that make us go. we like things that make us go fast. |
| 04:21.29 | Reilithion | I like fast, as long as it isn't DOWN! |
| 04:21.38 | karma | ok... no takers on the qpopper as a stand alone... how about infomation in inetd and setting nowait.400 for qpopper? Problem is that there are too many people trying to connect during mid day and it is killing qpopper. |
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| 04:22.06 | LtL | speed doesn't kill, stopping too fast does. |
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| 04:23.19 | niaht | 100 to 0 in zero point zero seconds... redwood tree. |
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| 04:25.09 | Reilithion | lol @ niaht! |
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| 04:25.21 | Reilithion | poor tree... |
| 04:25.22 | LtL | call greenpeace, assault on a redwood |
| 04:25.22 | gnychis | does anyone know if ndiswrapper can lock your card into a specific mode... like 802.11a instead of 802.11g |
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| 04:25.53 | niaht | it's actually posted on a series of redwood trees on hwy 101 in northern california. |
| 04:25.59 | Reilithion | cool |
| 04:26.25 | niaht | people kill a lot of cars up there. |
| 04:27.00 | Reilithion | what about trees? |
| 04:27.38 | npx | let's not blame the victim |
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| 04:28.17 | Reilithion | everyone is a victim in car accidents. |
| 04:28.40 | niaht | The trees seem to do quite well. Damn mosquitos... |
| 04:28.53 | Reilithion | except for the guy who thought it was a demolition derby |
| 04:29.41 | niaht | These trees are far older than anyone we could possibly know has known. More than a few cars could fit inside them. |
| 04:30.23 | isilzha | after doing a dist-upgrade from sarge to etch i can't run my x anymore. the error is that there were problems initializing core devices. my mouse to be precise. i already ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg without changes to the problem. i wonder most why there are problems with my mosue in the first place. xfree86 on sarge did work with the same settings for the mouse. another error it reports is that it failed to run DRIScreenInit |
| 04:30.48 | niaht | joy... nat-t handling... here goes nothing. |
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| 04:31.09 | niaht | isilzha: have you checked the state of the related entries in /dev? |
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| 04:32.58 | isilzha | niaht: no. can you explain me what actually is related in there? i'm pretty new to this |
| 04:32.59 | Neurosis | Is there any good free news servers or a free usenet that i can connect via Pan. |
| 04:33.46 | LtL | Neurosis - your ISP should have nntp. |
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| 04:34.05 | niaht | isilzha: Let's start with the mouse... /dev/psaux, or /dev/input/* |
| 04:34.12 | Neurosis | how may i find nntp? |
| 04:34.41 | LtL | Neurosis - check with your isp for it's newsserver address, then use any reader. |
| 04:35.13 | isilzha | niaht: i set it to /dev/input/mice using dpkg-reconfigure as this was the default and the setting which worked with xfree86 before |
| 04:35.16 | LtL | Neurosis - any ISP worth squat offers a news feed. imho |
| 04:35.43 | Neurosis | could i get it without contacting my isp? |
| 04:35.46 | niaht | isilzha: Ok.. then `cat /dev/input/mice` and move your mouse around.. you should get a bunch of garbage on your screen. |
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| 04:36.16 | Reilithion | yeah, 'cause contacting your IP sucks. It's like trying to coach a response out of a sleepy stone wall. |
| 04:36.27 | Reilithion | ISP* |
| 04:36.28 | niaht | eheh |
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| 04:36.34 | Neurosis | i hear ya |
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| 04:37.06 | av|r3x | hi guys |
| 04:37.11 | LoneWlf | so, I'm getting a 'Bad File Descriptor' error on iptables after upgrading to an actual 64 bit kernel on my debian system... command generating this is iptables... anyone? |
| 04:37.14 | av|r3x | of course, i have a question |
| 04:37.18 | Reilithion | I usually have better luck asking my magic rock garden for help with my ISP. |
| 04:37.24 | isilzha | niaht: it didn't find a suitable device |
| 04:37.29 | av|r3x | does debian 3.1 have problems with intel centrino wifi? |
| 04:37.46 | niaht | isilzha: Is your mouse a ps2 mouse, or usb mouse? |
| 04:37.51 | av|r3x | as in, will if have the drivers so i could connect to a hotspot? |
| 04:37.58 | isilzha | niaht: usb |
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| 04:38.33 | niaht | isilzha: `lsmod` are your usb drivers loaded? |
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| 04:38.44 | niaht | isilzha: also look for psaux |
| 04:38.46 | wasis | hello |
| 04:39.07 | kartoo | !disable ipv6 |
| 04:39.10 | niaht | isilzha: sorry, I meant to say psmouse |
| 04:40.15 | isilzha | niaht: what should i look for in this list? |
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| 04:41.25 | niaht | isilzha: psmouse, usbcore, usbhid... anything that has usb in it.. |
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| 04:41.44 | tekian | Quick question to anyone willin' to answer: Is it possible to run 32-bit color in X11? |
| 04:42.00 | LtL | Neurosis - Call them. I can't even find a 'host gtconnect.net' --your isp |
| 04:42.07 | Reilithion | kartoo, no! What will the poor Japanese do? |
| 04:42.48 | kartoo | Reilithion, what do u mean by that? |
| 04:42.55 | niaht | isilzha: grep is useful. `lsmod | grep usb` for instance. |
| 04:43.17 | Reilithion | I'm teasing because the Japanese have already started the switch over to ipv6 |
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| 04:43.25 | isilzha | niaht: usbcore and psmouse |
| 04:43.37 | kartoo | Reilithion, interesting piece of info.. thanx for that |
| 04:43.48 | niaht | isilzha: ok.. cat /dev/psaux or /dev/misc/psaux |
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| 04:43.57 | Reilithion | yeah, well you know those crazy Japanese! |
| 04:44.04 | Reilithion | gotta love 'em. |
| 04:44.31 | kartoo | ya. they are crazy.. but i like their perseverence.. shd learn a lot from them.. |
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| 04:45.04 | tekian | Anyone able to tell me if its possible to run 32-bit color in x11? |
| 04:45.13 | isilzha | niaht: no suitable device for the first |
| 04:45.15 | pngwen | I'm trying to get my pilot syncing to work. The visor module loads and detects the device, but I get no ttyUSB1 or tts directory. Have I missed a step? |
| 04:45.20 | niaht | thirty two |
| 04:45.22 | nnod | tekian: sure if you're graphics card supports it |
| 04:45.39 | niaht | isilzha: modprobe usbhid |
| 04:45.41 | tekian | Do I just set it to 32 in xf86config? |
| 04:45.50 | Reilithion | oh hell yeah. I mean think of the kinds of ideas and thoughts and art that will come from the only people to ever have been the targets of a nuclear bomb? |
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| 04:46.04 | tekian | Last time I did that it would never load up, but I know it ran 32 when it was windows-ized. |
| 04:46.15 | nnod | tekian: yeah or your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 or xorg.conf |
| 04:46.25 | isilzha | niaht: that displays corrent information about my mouse |
| 04:46.30 | kartoo | Reilithion, :) |
| 04:46.43 | tekian | Alright. Thanks :) I'll give it another try after I finish compiling 2.6 |
| 04:46.53 | pngwen | it like doesn't attach to a tty device at all. it's probably that darn devfs |
| 04:46.53 | LoneWlf | so based on what I've found, just for the edification of anyone who might actually be listening iptables is completely broken in 64bit land... and you have to run a 32bit kernel in order to use it |
| 04:46.56 | LoneWlf | never a dull moment |
| 04:46.57 | kartoo | Reilithion, which country are ya from? |
| 04:47.12 | Reilithion | The sorry senders of that bomb. |
| 04:47.12 | niaht | isilzha: now cat /dev/input/mice |
| 04:47.23 | Reilithion | er, those bombs |
| 04:47.30 | kartoo | :) |
| 04:47.40 | pngwen | works right out of the box with the other 2 distros I tried it on. I love everything else about debian, but if I can't sync my palm pilot, I can't use it as much |
| 04:47.53 | isilzha | niaht: no suitable device again |
| 04:47.57 | niaht | hrmm |
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| 04:48.22 | niaht | isilzha: Which kernel are you running? `uname -a` |
| 04:48.50 | Reilithion | kartoo, you? |
| 04:48.57 | isilzha | niaht: 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 04:49.22 | kartoo | Reilithion: India |
| 04:49.23 | niaht | isilzha: do you have hotplug installed? `dpkg --get-selections | grep hotplug` |
| 04:50.00 | Reilithion | oh, cool. so, do you work for an outsourced tech support company? :> |
| 04:50.14 | pngwen | has anyone successfully gotten a palm pilot device to attach to debian? |
| 04:50.21 | kartoo | Reilithion: nope.. I'm a student.. |
| 04:50.29 | kartoo | Reilithion: Biotechnologist.. |
| 04:50.30 | isilzha | niaht: no |
| 04:50.41 | niaht | isilzha: `apt-get install hotplug` |
| 04:50.43 | pngwen | or better yet, how can I dispose of devfs, use real device files and resolve the matter myself? |
| 04:50.56 | Reilithion | hey, that's cool! |
| 04:51.27 | niaht | pngwn: which kernel version are you using? |
| 04:51.39 | pngwen | niaht: 2.6.8 |
| 04:52.06 | pngwen | niaht: visor module loads, doesn't bind to any device. darn devfs doesn't get any ttyUSB or tts/ or usb/# type devices |
| 04:52.14 | kartoo | Reilithion: Do the americans generally consider almost all Indians to be working in outsourcing companies? ;-) |
| 04:52.34 | pngwen | niaht: but dmesg does indeed show that it detects, and identifies my device. |
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| 04:52.54 | Reilithion | Oh, it's a lesser but still common stereotype, and a reference to the illwillpress.com flash cartoons. |
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| 04:53.33 | joseph | hey is gnome 2.14 in etch? |
| 04:53.54 | niaht | pngwen: unfortunately I'm not too familiar with palm pilots.. the devfs thing though.. you could do without it if you are ok with MAKEDEV usage and don't have anything that depends on it like complex disk configurations. |
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| 04:54.08 | Reilithion | I make fun of it all because I think it's hilarious how some Americans seem so upset over a situation in which it's cheaper to buy labor from overseas when they themselves are helping to create that situation in the first place! |
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| 04:54.58 | pngwen | niaht: no one else seems to have this problem. How do you trick devfs into actually working? :-P If it could load up my tty devices, my usb devices, or something it would work. |
| 04:55.02 | niaht | Reilithion: I have no problem with overseas labor.. as long as I can understand them, and them me, when we have to deal with each other. :) |
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| 04:55.25 | isilzha | niaht: he reported some unmet dependencies and asked to remove gnome among other packages. that's what he's currently doing. how do i find out if there are more problems with dependencies apt didn't report yet? |
| 04:55.34 | Reilithion | *nodnod* And as long as the wages are fair, and nobody's being exploited. |
| 04:55.42 | niaht | pngwen: hotplug? |
| 04:55.46 | pngwen | niaht: or does it have some funky path to usb serial devices? |
| 04:55.49 | niaht | Reilithion: aye aye! |
| 04:56.00 | pngwen | niaht: I have hotplug installed |
| 04:56.08 | niaht | isilzha: Are you running a mix of stable/testing/unstable? |
| 04:56.08 | scorphus | Hi. The character code 0x97 (—) does not get decoded by some applications. Take a look at this picture for an example: http://img234.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xchm_bad_decoding.png How can I get it decoded? |
| 04:56.12 | dannyp | if you think there's someone out there that isn't being exploited, I have news for you... |
| 04:56.15 | kartoo | Reilithion, true! |
| 04:56.32 | pngwen | niaht: all other usb devices work great, the problem lies in using things with the usbserial device, since devfs doesn't create any tty devices for them |
| 04:56.37 | konfuzed | dannyp, somebody had to say it |
| 04:56.52 | isilzha | niaht: actually i hoped to only run unstable after the dist-upgrade from sarge |
| 04:57.00 | kartoo | Reilithion, here the pay for those guys is just 20k to 40k INR, which amounts to less than 1000USD |
| 04:57.01 | niaht | pngwen: Hrm.. some config might need to be done in |
| 04:57.06 | dannyp | don't get me wrong, I don't intend that as an argument "everyone is being exploited so we shouldn't worry about it" |
| 04:57.09 | isilzha | niaht: my login though reports with unstable/testing |
| 04:57.23 | Reilithion | kartoo, that's the same as the average income for actors here in the US. |
| 04:57.29 | joseph | is gnome 2.14 in etch? |
| 04:57.30 | pngwen | niaht: everyone else makes reference to either a /dev/tts /dev/tty or /dev/usb directory, none of which are present on my system. |
| 04:57.31 | dannyp | it's moreso the argument "let's recognize that we're all being explotied -- some far more than others -- and what are we going to do about it" |
| 04:57.43 | kartoo | Reilithion, 1000USD?? |
| 04:57.56 | kartoo | Reilithion, actors are paid so less? |
| 04:57.58 | niaht | pngwen: wish I could help more.. |
| 04:58.03 | dannyp | do people have recommendations for a laptop? I need to buy one before mid-may |
| 04:58.18 | pngwen | niaht: hehe no worries, no one has ever been able to help me in years! :-D |
| 04:58.21 | konfuzed | ill take compensation in cacao beans |
| 04:58.24 | niaht | isilzha: At some point hotplug is replaced with udev.. and you would need a newer kernel |
| 04:58.26 | dannyp | the lenovo 3000 C100s are tempting, if they're comparable at all to a thinkpad in terms of reliability and compatibility |
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| 04:58.45 | Reilithion | kartoo, on average, yes. Some are very rich and famous and get paid tons o' cash, but others get paid very little if they get paid at all. |
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| 04:59.18 | isilzha | niaht: there is a newer kernel? he finished btw, removing udev as well |
| 04:59.39 | kartoo | Reilithion, oh! k. just gimme some link to some interesting flash cartoon u saw in that site u mentioned.. |
| 04:59.43 | scratchi | Reilithion: There is only one thing to say, the world are bad! |
| 04:59.49 | hoazial | cannot insert a module to kernel via modprobe. a lot of 'unknown symbols'. what could be the problem |
| 05:00.04 | joseph | got lotsa people posting in here |
| 05:00.05 | av|r3x | actors shouldn't get paid that much |
| 05:00.06 | Reilithion | oh |
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| 05:00.13 | av|r3x | millions etc |
| 05:00.16 | niaht | isilzha: 2.6.12 |
| 05:00.22 | konfuzed | here s an idea in the coming - ill help you setup a solar and mini-wind powergenerator system to feedback into the hydro grid so the system has to send you a cheque every month for reducing the dependency on Oil |
| 05:00.33 | joseph | 20seconds later my post dissapears into the top of the window |
| 05:00.40 | av|r3x | excellent kartoo |
| 05:00.52 | av|r3x | i've been planning to set up such a thing too |
| 05:00.53 | Reilithion | kartoo, Kavorkian Scarf in the Toons section is my favorite! |
| 05:00.59 | av|r3x | in Zanzibar, or Dar es Salaam |
| 05:01.00 | isilzha | niaht: how important is it to update this? i fear this could cause more problems no? |
| 05:01.12 | kartoo | av|r3x, set up what? |
| 05:01.18 | av|r3x | i mean konfuzed |
| 05:01.22 | hoazial | am i in #debian? people are talking about everything except Debian! |
| 05:01.29 | av|r3x | sorry, kartoo. i meant konfuzed |
| 05:01.38 | kartoo | av|r3x, k |
| 05:01.43 | av|r3x | np |
| 05:01.50 | niaht | isilzha: I understand.. not that important, depending on your requirements.. I'm sure you can get your current setup working (in fact, since you did the modprobe usbhid, now try cat /dev/psaux if you haven't since then) |
| 05:01.53 | Reilithion | scratchi, the world /are/ bad. *nodnod* |
| 05:01.54 | av|r3x | i'll set up such a thing |
| 05:01.57 | konfuzed | hey i thought I was konfuzeD |
| 05:01.58 | kartoo | Reilithion, k. 'll see that.. |
| 05:01.59 | pngwen | anyone know how to make /dev/usb or equivalent appear? devfs is really making me mad tonight! |
| 05:01.59 | av|r3x | and let debian run it |
| 05:02.16 | av|r3x | lol |
| 05:02.45 | kartoo | Reilithion, i need to reboot now.. i've just disabled ipv6 in modprobe.. 'brb |
| 05:02.50 | isilzha | niaht: still no suitable device |
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| 05:02.57 | Reilithion | k, cya |
| 05:03.00 | LtL | joseph - I 'think' its 2.14. Advise you check package list |
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| 05:03.12 | scratchi | Reilithion: What mean you with nodnod? |
| 05:03.13 | hoazial | any anwser for my modprobe problem? |
| 05:03.17 | niaht | isilzha: when you did the modprobe, and it told you about your mouse, that was the system initializing the mouse... it wasn't just telling you about your mouse. So somewhere in there, one of those devices is linked to your mouse.. |
| 05:03.19 | dannyp | I doubt there's much money to be made for an individual's cogeneration facility -- but it certainly makes sense to hook it up to try to power your own house, and then if there's a surplus, you can take comfort in the fact you're being paid wholesale rates for it |
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| 05:03.37 | Reilithion | scratchi, I mean, I am nodding my head in agreement. |
| 05:04.05 | konfuzed | dannyp, thats why it has to be done at a slightly larger scale |
| 05:04.12 | niaht | isilzha: usually /dev/psaux or /dev/input/psaux is active along with /dev/input/one-of-them-mouse-devices |
| 05:04.24 | isilzha | niaht: should i be worried if modprobe keeps quite if i try to run it again? |
| 05:04.39 | niaht | isilzha: No... it just means that the driver is already loaded. |
| 05:04.45 | dannyp | the easiest way to reduce dependence on oil is to reduce dependence on energy |
| 05:04.53 | dannyp | dare I say it... use/consume less stuff |
| 05:05.07 | niaht | isilzha: if you exec `dmesg` you can see that message again at the bottom. |
| 05:05.48 | konfuzed | see we can ensure there is at least double the production of your homes needs . what you used to pay is what you will now receive from the hydro company and the net difference is you have twice as much cash as the payment |
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| 05:06.08 | dannyp | konfuzed: that's not how it works |
| 05:06.10 | hoazial | can u guys read my msg? |
| 05:06.36 | niaht | hoazial: nope.. nothing shows up at all. |
| 05:06.46 | Reilithion | hoazial, can't see a thing. |
| 05:06.50 | signature16 | how do i change the default directory of apache from /var/www to something else? |
| 05:06.54 | dannyp | konfuzed: under PURPA, you are paid wholesale rates. the rate power companies pay other power companies in the grid for electricity. |
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| 05:07.00 | niaht | signature16: yup. |
| 05:07.01 | isilzha | niaht: i tryied /dev/psaux, /dev/input/psaux (the dir didn't exist) and /dev/input/mice. unfortunately all failed |
| 05:07.31 | hoazial | then how come you are replying? |
| 05:07.31 | konfuzed | see here in canada we have to setup wide scale hybrid electrical to supply the unendingly increasing demand for electricity from the USA |
| 05:07.45 | dannyp | konfuzed: ah, I missed the country you're in, sorry for the assumption |
| 05:07.47 | av|r3x | its all about having good relations with people who produce oil |
| 05:07.51 | scratchi | hoazial: It's a joke man ;-) |
| 05:07.52 | dannyp | but that's certainly not the way it works in the USA |
| 05:07.54 | av|r3x | oil will be plentiful and cheap |
| 05:07.54 | niaht | isilzha: any of the other entries in /dev/input/ ??? |
| 05:08.06 | hoazial | damn |
| 05:08.08 | av|r3x | we'll eventually all go back to steampower |
| 05:08.08 | niaht | hoazial: Not sure really. |
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| 05:08.28 | scratchi | hoazial: Yes :-) |
| 05:08.29 | dannyp | steam isn't a fuel |
| 05:08.40 | konfuzed | so really its the USDollar purcahses that will go direct(well two stops over the border mayber) to home owners with PowerFacilities |
| 05:08.41 | av|r3x | steampower, if modernized, can have tons of benefits |
| 05:08.46 | hoazial | u don't need a register nick name to chat, right? |
| 05:08.54 | av|r3x | no, but it heats things up |
| 05:08.54 | dannyp | av|r3x: where do you plan on getting the steam? |
| 05:08.57 | niaht | hoazial: apparently not. |
| 05:08.57 | av|r3x | heat is fuel |
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| 05:09.24 | hoazial | niaht: u familiar with modprobe? |
| 05:09.25 | scratchi | hoazial: If you want to take that nick and want to talk prive with someone, then yes |
| 05:09.26 | LtL | heat is force, fuel creates heat |
| 05:09.27 | isilzha | niaht: tried all. all failed |
| 05:09.39 | av|r3x | 80%of the world is water |
| 05:09.43 | konfuzed | av|r3x, thats thermal-power or geo-thermal-power |
| 05:09.44 | hoazial | scratchi: u familiar with modprobe? |
| 05:09.45 | av|r3x | there is plenty of steam |
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| 05:09.47 | Reilithion | !seen modprobe |
| 05:09.48 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'modprobe', Reilithion |
| 05:09.50 | av|r3x | things will be slower |
| 05:09.52 | scratchi | hoazial: A bit yes |
| 05:09.55 | dannyp | av|r3x: how do you make the water into steam? |
| 05:10.12 | chance2105 | Does GNOME in Sarge have an alarm-clock facility? |
| 05:10.17 | niaht | isilzha: disconnect and reconnect your mouse (watch for messages on the screen) |
| 05:10.19 | dannyp | Am I discussing things with physics trolls today? |
| 05:10.22 | hoazial | scratchi: i cannot insert a module into the kernel w modprobe. what can be wrong? |
| 05:10.23 | av|r3x | heating itup, with a small amount of fossil fuel |
| 05:10.26 | av|r3x | or solar power |
| 05:10.37 | av|r3x | or fission |
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| 05:10.39 | dannyp | av|r3x: well that's your energy source, not steam |
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| 05:10.42 | niaht | hoazial: yup.. very |
| 05:10.47 | scratchi | hoazial: As root user; simply 'modprobe MODULE' |
| 05:10.58 | dannyp | av|r3x: and I think you just described coal, oil, solar, and nuclear power plants |
| 05:10.59 | av|r3x | but, it will not use as much as it currently does |
| 05:11.03 | scratchi | hoazial: Where there module are the module you know to add. |
| 05:11.27 | konfuzed | see thats my little idea for how people can actually get paid for positive environmental participation. |
| 05:11.29 | hoazial | niaht: scratchi: tried that. a lot of 'unknown symbols' errors. |
| 05:11.30 | scratchi | hoazial: Modprobe is really not complicate to use, what's the problem? |
| 05:11.35 | av|r3x | yes, but small scale |
| 05:11.36 | stew | < av|r3x> 80%of the world is water <- can't imagine what definition of world that is true for |
| 05:11.38 | av|r3x | small"er" |
| 05:11.58 | scratchi | hoazial: Give the complete command you use. |
| 05:12.00 | av|r3x | ours stwe |
| 05:12.04 | av|r3x | stew |
| 05:12.05 | isilzha | niaht: i got a message for both the disconnect and the reconnect which provided correct information about the mouse |
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| 05:12.15 | hoazial | modprobe <module name>. |
| 05:12.18 | dannyp | av|r3x: and you think efficiency will increase by making the power plants smaller scale? why? |
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| 05:12.35 | dannyp | the current size of power plants was more or less found by finding the optimal size for efficiency |
| 05:12.36 | niaht | isilzha: Then by gosh.. one of those must be active... is gpm installed? |
| 05:12.47 | av|r3x | by refining the tech |
| 05:12.51 | dannyp | anyhow, the core problem is the demand for energy, and that's what needs to be dealt with |
| 05:12.56 | av|r3x | not really |
| 05:12.58 | niaht | isilzha: (gpm is nifty, but can cause confusion) |
| 05:13.11 | scratchi | hoazial: Which module you try to load? |
| 05:13.13 | stew | av|r3x: the deepest part of any ocean is 11km the earth is 13,000km across, where is the rest of the water hiding if its not in the oceans |
| 05:13.22 | av|r3x | coal pp are only about 20% efficient |
| 05:13.33 | av|r3x | the rest is lot to heat, conversuions, etc. |
| 05:13.39 | dannyp | av|r3x: you're doing a heck of a lot of handwaving to try to justify going back to the electric grid of the late 19th century |
| 05:13.47 | regeya_ | apt-get install efficient-powerplants |
| 05:13.50 | dannyp | av|r3x: and your plan to use that other 80% is... |
| 05:13.55 | av|r3x | lol |
| 05:14.05 | av|r3x | i'll reg my nick, and priv msg all of you |
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| 05:14.12 | dannyp | don't privmsg me |
| 05:14.12 | signature16 | what is the /etc/apt/sources.list file do? |
| 05:14.24 | hoazial | scratchi: it is a usb modem from smartlink, slusb. |
| 05:14.25 | niaht | signature16: Tells apt where to download packages from |
| 05:14.27 | av|r3x | i flood the channel with nonsensical stuff |
| 05:14.35 | konfuzed | take it one step further and do a ManagedHomeGRID mwmber network. then put a ten year service agreement in place to also cover the equipement and now you can get that factored to receive about 75% of the funds up front to buy all the gear and set it up and give the home owner an upfront payout as well. |
| 05:14.38 | scratchi | stew are GEEK of all the things of the world! |
| 05:14.49 | konfuzed | manage it like an isp on debian |
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| 05:14.58 | av|r3x | but u privmsg me |
| 05:15.00 | zood_ | what package do I need to install to get lame? |
| 05:15.01 | scratchi | stew: How do you know that; again!!! |
| 05:15.04 | av|r3x | don't shoot me |
| 05:15.08 | av|r3x | but i'll shoot you |
| 05:15.12 | av|r3x | where's the logic? |
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| 05:15.21 | niaht | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:15.37 | Supaplex | !confuse #debian |
| 05:15.37 | dpkg | No, where are our mushroom yesterday, #debian? pants of the people's republic of swaziland with extra cheese |
| 05:15.39 | av|r3x | ah |
| 05:15.50 | av|r3x | later, people |
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| 05:15.54 | scratchi | hoazial: So you try the module 'slusb'?? |
| 05:15.57 | niaht | dpkg: you make perfect sense to me.. in my present state. |
| 05:16.02 | dannyp | this channel seems to be filled with either people who don't understand thermodynamics and/or the energy market at all, or trolls, or both |
| 05:16.07 | hoazial | scratchi: of course. |
| 05:16.23 | niaht | dannyp: wrong channel. |
| 05:16.32 | scratchi | hoazial: And hotplug or udev are been installed? Like it's an USB stuff |
| 05:16.42 | Supaplex | dannyp, you lost us after people |
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| 05:16.45 | dannyp | niaht: wrong channel for what? |
| 05:16.52 | niaht | dannyp: for that discussion. |
| 05:16.53 | joloc | How can I read the metadata from WMA files? |
| 05:17.00 | dannyp | niaht: for what discussion? |
| 05:17.00 | hoazial | scratchi: yeh |
| 05:17.09 | niaht | joloc: interesting, but off-topic |
| 05:17.14 | dannyp | this is not ##debian |
| 05:17.18 | cat | is gnome 2.1.4 on sarge? |
| 05:17.26 | Supaplex | nor is it #debian-offtopic |
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| 05:17.39 | scratchi | hoazial: That not really help me. So you have install hotplug?? |
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| 05:17.43 | joloc | niaht: Why? I am looking for a debian package. |
| 05:17.58 | niaht | joloc: That reads metadata from wma files? |
| 05:18.01 | hoazial | scracht: yes. |
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| 05:18.06 | Supaplex | !tell joloc -about search |
| 05:18.13 | joloc | niaht: yes. I tried extract, but somewhat limited. |
| 05:18.15 | isilzha | niaht: it was not but i installed it now. in the config there was no option that would have matched a usb mouse. in the end the messages it output during initialisation didn't look promising |
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| 05:18.23 | dannyp | Supaplex: no, but off-topic conversations are the heart and soul of every IRC channel, barring those that specifically forbid it (the ## channels on openprojects, for instance) |
| 05:18.28 | dannyp | s/openprojects/freenode/ |
| 05:18.41 | hoazial | scratchi: it is not just slusb, other modules have the same problem. |
| 05:18.44 | niaht | joloc: hrm.. sorry then, I'm no help. |
| 05:19.13 | niaht | isilzha: The output doesn't say much.. but it does tell you that the mouse was detected. |
| 05:19.16 | cat | is gnome 2.14 for sarge? |
| 05:19.24 | scratchi | hoazial: Running Stable? |
| 05:19.26 | cat | i mean is it alerady in sarge |
| 05:19.36 | zood_ | How would I figure out what package will give me the command `lame`? |
| 05:19.37 | hoazial | scratchi: testing |
| 05:19.39 | Supaplex | cat: apt-get update ; apt-get show gnome |
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| 05:20.02 | isilzha | niaht: actually it only told me that it didn't find a suitable device. 3 times |
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| 05:20.24 | niaht | isilzha: In the output of dmesg? |
| 05:20.48 | cat | Supaplex: E: Invalid operation show |
| 05:20.51 | chance2105 | Supaplex: Did you mean apt-get -v gnome? |
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| 05:20.55 | isilzha | niaht: no. while starting gpm |
| 05:20.56 | scratchi | hoazial: So it's an general problem of 'modprobe' |
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| 05:21.08 | chance2105 | cat: apt-get -v gnome |
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| 05:21.22 | niaht | isilzha: Sorry, I guess my two liner wasn't clear.. probably not a good idea to have GPM installed. It confuses things. |
| 05:21.45 | cat | chance2105: no version of gnome |
| 05:21.56 | isilzha | niaht: so i better remove it again? |
| 05:22.02 | niaht | isilzha: I'm sorta baffled (could be how tired I am), since it seems that your system detects the mouse when you plug it in.. |
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| 05:22.32 | niaht | isilzha: I would for now, unless you decide you need a mouse on the console, instead of just in X |
| 05:22.41 | dannyp | http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/AdvocacySpam someone really might want to edit this |
| 05:22.49 | isilzha | niaht: yes that definitely appears to be weird... might be any more dependency issues? |
| 05:23.11 | niaht | isilzha: module dependency issues maybe.. |
| 05:23.14 | Supaplex | cat chance2105 I actually meant apt-cache show |
| 05:23.23 | isilzha | niaht: how would i find out about these? |
| 05:23.40 | niaht | isilzha: but you have usbhid and psmouse loaded.. which unless I'm as cracked out as I feel, should be enough. |
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| 05:24.53 | berto- | hi everyone. i've found a bunch of tutorials on how to make a binary .deb, but is there a tutorial on how to make a source .deb? |
| 05:24.58 | zood_ | What's an easy way to rip a cd to mp3? |
| 05:25.15 | dannyp | zood_: grip |
| 05:25.16 | Reilithion | ewwww! mp3! |
| 05:25.22 | niaht | isilzha: modprobe mousedev |
| 05:25.26 | niaht | isilzha: give that a try |
| 05:25.35 | chance2105 | cat: Sorry bout that .. I really don't know how to get apt to show you the version of packages in your repository. The general answer to your question is: no, Gnome 2.14 will never be in Sarge proper. |
| 05:25.45 | Reilithion | MP3 makes baby Tux cry. |
| 05:25.57 | cat | chance2105: why ? |
| 05:25.58 | dannyp | ogg vorbis is pretty nice |
| 05:26.12 | niaht | zood_: Easy is perspective thre. |
| 05:26.18 | chance2105 | cat: Sarge is the stable Debian release. The package versions do not update until the next stable release. |
| 05:26.43 | isilzha | niaht: "PS/2 mouse device common for all mice" |
| 05:26.47 | Supaplex | cat: because sarge is already released. check for it in etch, or try a backport (or make your own backport) |
| 05:26.51 | zood_ | Should I stay away from mp3? It's just that all my other tunes are mp3 and I don't like the idea of having all kinds of different formats |
| 05:26.52 | dannyp | I tried ripping a CD once, but it just ended up snapping |
| 05:26.58 | Reilithion | Yeah, I use jack -E flac, myself. You could use jack -E oggenc to get ogg vorbis files, and jack -E lame to get mp3's (eww!) |
| 05:27.19 | Supaplex | dannyp: you have to rip it along the grain ;) |
| 05:27.30 | niaht | isilzha: try cat /dev/psaux again |
| 05:27.38 | zood_ | Reilition, the "lame" part is where I'm having problems. I cant seem a to find a package that will give me lame |
| 05:27.41 | dannyp | zood_: well, that's a big question, choose wisely ;) |
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| 05:28.08 | niaht | brb |
| 05:28.13 | isilzha | niaht: _finally_ this seems to work :) |
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| 05:28.57 | zood_ | Do I have to compile lame from source? |
| 05:28.59 | chance2105 | cat: Check the first two things here: http://www.us.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-getting.en.html . .. and to just concur with Supaplex, you'll have to either backport it yourself or find someone who'll do it for you (backports.org) |
| 05:29.03 | Reilithion | zood_, IIRC, lame is excluded from the official Debian packages due to patent issues. |
| 05:29.05 | dannyp | zood_: I like ogg vorbis a lot, but most of my music is mp3, for pretty much the same reason you described. I'm never sure that was the right decision, however |
| 05:29.16 | signature16 | whats the difference between the sites-enable and sites available folder in the /etc/apache2? |
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| 05:29.36 | zood_ | Arg, damn patent bs. Isn't that the same reason java is such a pain to get working? |
| 05:30.05 | dannyp | java is a pain to get working almost anywhere |
| 05:30.20 | unstable | !java |
| 05:30.20 | dpkg | methinks java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive and forbids you from working on Java implementations or SDKs. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
| 05:30.27 | Reilithion | java is a pain because of their "Open source" license. |
| 05:30.42 | scratchi | And ogg would not play on an homecinema that can play mp3 |
| 05:30.51 | isilzha | niaht: but should i be worried about that DRIScreenInit failure that X actually reports before the mouse fails? |
| 05:31.01 | Reilithion | scratchi, That's homecinema's fault!!!!! |
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| 05:31.52 | zood_ | Of course all this balony "encourages innovation". Nobody would be creative if they couldn't have exclusive rights to their work right... ;) |
| 05:32.02 | scratchi | Reilithion: So i need to fuck these stupid guys! Making shit; but do it good!!! |
| 05:32.03 | Reilithion | zood_, I disagree. |
| 05:32.28 | Reilithion | zood_, First of all, why do you want exclusive rights to your work? |
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| 05:32.36 | zood_ | Reilition, sarcasm can be hard via text! |
| 05:32.39 | Reilithion | oh |
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| 05:32.55 | Reilithion | !sarcasm |
| 05:32.55 | dpkg | methinks sarcasm is when you say something that you don't entirely mean in order to gain some sort of dramatic effect or other er something;; for example "that's a really good definition" |
| 05:33.00 | scratchi | So switching from MP3 is not for now; like il these stuff here can play MP3 and not the rest ... |
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| 05:33.52 | zood_ | So is there perchance a repository for a lame sarge package? |
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| 05:34.16 | gravity | zood_: /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 05:34.39 | scratchi | zood_: You need to know about marillat |
| 05:34.39 | jsmidt | I am trying to configure mutt. How do I configure it to take mail from gmail's pop server pop.gmail.com |
| 05:34.48 | scratchi | !marillat |
| 05:34.48 | michal_ | here we go. my boss is making /etc/cups/printers.conf world readable.. i hope it doesn't break anythin |
| 05:34.48 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> <marillat.etch> <marillat.sid> |
| 05:35.28 | jayr168 | how do I change mouse wheel sensitivity in gnome? |
| 05:35.45 | zood_ | Rock on! I do need to know about marillat |
| 05:36.19 | scratchi | zood_: Look to what dpkg have say here above |
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| 05:37.09 | bbeck | doees anyone have an easy way to make a nameserver machine running dnsmasq use dnsmasq as one of it's dns servers? The nameserver machine also has a dynamic ip, so resolv.conf is overwritten by the dhcp client. This is on sarge. |
| 05:37.19 | jsmidt | do I make a change in .muttrc to get mail off a pop server? |
| 05:37.29 | zood_ | Ooooh mythtv packages on marillat. nice |
| 05:38.19 | Agrajag- | jsmidt: mutt doesn't do pop. it's a mail reader. you may want fetchmail to get mail from a pop server and deliver it locally |
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| 05:40.34 | dman- | is there any known issues with the debian installer and some scsi cards? |
| 05:40.52 | Supaplex | dman-: vagely yes |
| 05:41.17 | isilzha | niaht: i guess i just give it a try. thanks a lot! |
| 05:41.19 | dman- | its *detect*ing my scsi card, but not the hdds on it |
| 05:41.24 | Agrajag- | dman-: i think you'll have to be more specific. i know the 2.6 kernel with sarge doesn't come with certain dell (megaraid2 i think) raid modules |
| 05:41.36 | dman- | this is megaraid |
| 05:41.36 | dman- | :) |
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| 05:42.38 | dman- | how can i fix it |
| 05:42.54 | zood_ | Hey folks, thanks for the tip on marillat. I've got lame up and running already. Thanks! |
| 05:42.56 | niaht | isilzha: your very welcome. Best of luck to you. |
| 05:43.46 | dondelelcaro | dman-: the mega raid drive makes the drives show up under /dev/c0d0p0 or similar, not the /dev/sda1 that you're used to |
| 05:44.04 | scratchi | So that looks good, an noob in 5 minutes set it up and running, that's good |
| 05:44.07 | Agrajag- | dman-: well you haven't really described your problem. my solution was to use a 2.4. kernel which had the modules to do the install, then install a newer 2.6 kernel which had the modules too |
| 05:44.07 | dondelelcaro | dman-: look at the full dmesg output to see exactly what the card is doing |
| 05:44.36 | dman- | ok |
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| 05:44.54 | dman- | it DOES work in the gentoo cd i tried, the step it does extra is some megaraid crap |
| 05:45.00 | dman- | when loading the hdds from the card |
| 05:45.22 | isilzha | niaht: thanks. i fear i'll need it a lot ^^ |
| 05:45.25 | mrjazzman | howdy, anyone else notice if the new 2.6.8-3 kernel package is ignoring the do_initrd=yes option? |
| 05:46.17 | Reilithion | This is really nuts. There has got to be some program or utility out there that is already designed to do what I want to. It's so simple! I mean, isn't there already an xpipe or something? |
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| 05:47.20 | Reilithion | except I just looked up xpipe, and it's nowhere near what I need. |
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| 05:48.45 | Agrajag- | Reilithion: what do you want to do? |
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| 05:49.45 | Reilithion | I want to type into a window, _any_window_, and have my input piped through a console program before it ends up in destination-window N |
| 05:50.01 | dondelelcaro | Reilithion: for what purpose? |
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| 05:51.08 | Agrajag- | Reilithion: so you want a console program that gets all keypresses that X gets and send them to a certain X window? |
| 05:51.21 | Reilithion | Well, initially so that I can type normally, but use a filtering program like chef or eleet to make the resulting input to the window look like Swedish Chef or 1337-sp33k |
| 05:51.24 | dman | ok, it loads some symbios scsi driver |
| 05:51.28 | dman | that shiuld be all thats needed right? |
| 05:51.34 | Reilithion | Agrajag-, that sounds close |
| 05:52.24 | dondelelcaro | Reilithion: well, the closest thing you're going to find is some sort of hack on xmove or similar, that implements an x server of your own... but for something as pointless as that, it's a total waste of time. |
| 05:52.56 | Agrajag- | why would you need something that implements an x server? you could just have an app that gets all global keystrokes |
| 05:53.03 | Reilithion | Man, this has got to be a joke. It sounds like something so simple to do |
| 05:53.10 | Agrajag- | it's not very hard to program |
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| 05:53.42 | dondelelcaro | Agrajag-: because you'd have to change them; getting all of the X events is trivial, it's changing them that's a problem. |
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| 05:54.05 | scratchi | Reilithion: Give an try to Python or so |
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| 05:54.30 | dondelelcaro | scratchi: that's a language, it won't change the underlying issue. |
| 05:55.05 | Agrajag- | Reilithion: i don't think it's a joke that it doesn't exist, it's a strange thing to want to do |
| 05:55.05 | isilzha | niaht: x works again. kde doesn't (just returns to kdm after showing a blank screen for a while). |
| 05:55.17 | isilzha | i guess it is easier to start from scratch again there. |
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| 05:55.26 | scratchi | dondelelcaro: Yes, it was additional info after what Agrajag- say :-/ |
| 05:55.30 | isilzha | considering the boot up messages as well which don't look that promising |
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| 05:55.53 | Reilithion | *shrugs* I'm a strange guy. |
| 05:55.54 | isilzha | is there an easy way to back up the packages that were downloaded? |
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| 05:56.10 | Agrajag- | isilzha: apt-get does that for you |
| 05:56.13 | dondelelcaro | isilzha: sounds like you've got a problem with the session that you're loading. |
| 05:56.32 | scratchi | isilzha: Look in you're log file; apt have also one |
| 05:56.34 | dondelelcaro | isilzha: try using the Debian session instead of the kde one. |
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| 05:57.10 | Plasmoduck | whereis eggdrop.conf stored? |
| 05:57.21 | scratchi | dondelelcaro: What would you mean about an Debian sesion? |
| 05:57.25 | isilzha | dondelelcaro: actually i feel that this is not the only problem with all this. the system is pretty new anyway |
| 05:57.25 | Plasmoduck | it's not in /etc or /usr/share/eggdrop |
| 05:58.09 | xhaan | find / -name eggdrop.conf |
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| 05:59.22 | epsilon | or just locate |
| 05:59.27 | dondelelcaro | scratchi: a DM can load multiple sessions; for kdm the default is a kde session iirc. The Debian session uses .xsession instead of the default kde session. |
| 05:59.36 | Plasmoduck | p# find / -name eggdrop.conf |
| 05:59.36 | Plasmoduck | alphanode:/usr/share/eggdrop# |
| 05:59.38 | Plasmoduck | didnt fine it |
| 05:59.49 | Reilithion | oh, I hope not |
| 06:00.03 | Reilithion | I don't think it has too much money |
| 06:00.11 | dondelelcaro | !+find eggdrop.conf |
| 06:00.13 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 06:00.19 | scratchi | dondelelcaro: DM = Debian machine? I have no codecs here ;-) |
| 06:00.22 | isilzha | Agrajag: it does? i can't find anything about that in the man page. i actually want to physically have them at another place so i can format the disk. |
| 06:00.40 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'eggdrop.conf' (1): (/usr/share/doc/eggdrop-data/examples/eggdrop.conf.gz) in net/eggdrop-data. |
| 06:00.52 | dondelelcaro | scratchi: display manager in this case. |
| 06:01.19 | scratchi | dondelelcaro: Right, it's for are sure that i understand ;-) |
| 06:01.27 | dman | so i stuck in a gentoo cd |
| 06:01.38 | dman | ant notice that its using megaraid to handle the scsi drivers |
| 06:01.54 | dman | what are my options with debian/ubuntu for this |
| 06:02.13 | dondelelcaro | dman: it should be using the mga driver on debian as well. |
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| 06:03.34 | scratchi | dondelelcaro: Thanks for these tips; that help now to understand it a bit better when i switch from DM to DM. Really thanks, next day i solve somme litte probs of it ;-) |
| 06:03.45 | codenamewilley | hi every1 |
| 06:03.57 | dman | dondelelcaro any debian based installer iv tried is loading the symbios scsi driver (like gentoo), but then not using mga for the drives |
| 06:04.06 | isilzha | actually i guess there is a place all packages get saved to after download. which is it? |
| 06:04.13 | codenamewilley | I am trying to setup a local web server |
| 06:04.15 | scratchi | dondelelcaro: I know now how to resolve an little problem :-) |
| 06:04.31 | codenamewilley | i want to host a cgi script |
| 06:04.35 | dondelelcaro | dman: you may need to load them manually using modprobe. |
| 06:04.46 | dman | gentoo is is loading the symbios for the scsi card and megaraid for the controller |
| 06:04.49 | nnod | isilzha: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 06:04.52 | isilzha | which package could i use to burn a cd or even dvd on the command line? |
| 06:04.53 | dman | debian just detects the card, not the controller |
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| 06:05.02 | isilzha | nnod: thank you |
| 06:05.05 | codenamewilley | i can configure to host html pages but how can i configure apache to host cgi scripts? |
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| 06:05.39 | dondelelcaro | codenamewilley: with mod_cgi; there are examples of the configuration on apache.org |
| 06:06.01 | dondelelcaro | codenamewilley: #apache can help you with apache specific questions |
| 06:06.38 | codenamewilley | dondelelcaro: thanx buddy... |
| 06:07.14 | signature16 | how do i find information about a certina package i want to install with apt. like for example i want to find out the version number or the application |
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| 06:08.12 | scratchi | signature16: apt-cache show pkg |
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| 06:12.21 | dman | dondelelcaro so if i modprobe the megaraid driver, how do i detect the drives manually then |
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| 06:13.27 | npx | GRANT ALL PRIVELIGES ON *.* TO 'www-data'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY '' WITH GRANT OPTION; what is wrong with this (mysql-server, sarge) |
| 06:13.57 | scratchi | *.*?? |
| 06:14.07 | cafuego | npx: "privileges'. |
| 06:14.14 | cafuego | npx: You need to spell it right. |
| 06:14.14 | npx | ill be damned |
| 06:14.18 | scratchi | just need * |
| 06:14.20 | npx | i missed that, thanks =) |
| 06:15.36 | cafuego | giving www-data full access without a password isn't a great idea, though. |
| 06:15.36 | npx | it's a test server listening on 127.0.0.1 only |
| 06:15.36 | cafuego | no excuse |
| 06:15.36 | scratchi | npx: If you what you are doing ... |
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| 06:15.53 | npx | I figure, since /var/www is chown -R www-data:www-data and that's where all the important stuff is, and there's nothing really significant in the database, and I hate fucking with SQL |
| 06:15.55 | npx | it'll have to be okay. |
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| 06:16.07 | infinity_ | i accidentally deleted /lib/ld-linux.so.2 on a 32bit debian system. i haven't rebooted yet. am i screwed? or is there a workaround to fixing this? |
| 06:16.55 | scratchi | infinity_: Backup? |
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| 06:17.15 | bucky | infinity_: it's a link to ld-2.3.x.so |
| 06:17.16 | infinity_ | scratchi: i'm looking for a solution that doesn't require reboot/recovery cd |
| 06:17.38 | infinity_ | reboot is actually find, but i know if i reboot, i'll have to break out the big guns |
| 06:17.44 | infinity_ | er /s/find/fine/ |
| 06:17.47 | bucky | you probably don't have bash anymore anyway |
| 06:17.48 | michal_ | hmm.. my boss needs to be able to read /etc/cups/printers.conf from a normal user. is there any way to achieve that? and he needs o be able to read it directly, not via sudo |
| 06:17.56 | infinity_ | bucky: i'm still logged in :) |
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| 06:18.01 | bucky | infinity_: it's a link to ld-2.3.x.so |
| 06:18.09 | npx | michal_, sounds like you need a raise =) |
| 06:18.13 | infinity_ | bucky: how can i restore it? |
| 06:18.23 | bucky | link it again |
| 06:18.25 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 06:18.25 | dpkg | hmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 06:18.28 | infinity_ | ln requires that lib |
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| 06:18.50 | bucky | then you're fucked aren't you |
| 06:18.51 | npx | michal_, give him wheel and make printers.conf g+r I guess |
| 06:18.52 | infinity_ | bucky: ln requires that lib (ld-linux.so.2) |
| 06:18.58 | infinity_ | bucky: don't say that! hehe |
| 06:19.00 | npx | or change the group, whatever |
| 06:19.26 | npx | How can I set the default login/password used when php connects to a mysql database? |
| 06:19.28 | infinity_ | i was thinking i could ftp it back on, but ftp won't work ..hmm |
| 06:19.36 | infinity_ | hmmmmmmmmmm |
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| 06:19.36 | michal_ | npx: printers.conf permissions are automtically reset by cups |
| 06:19.46 | infinity_ | there must be something loaded that will solve this |
| 06:20.49 | nnod | infinity_: just relink it to /lib/ld-2.3.x.so |
| 06:20.54 | unstable | I have 8 files, and I want to take the first line of each of those files, and "mplayer firstlinehere -dumpstream -dumpfile nameoffile" how can I do this? |
| 06:21.09 | unstable | for i in *; do cat $i|head -1|xargs mplayer or something |
| 06:21.11 | infinity_ | nnod: ln requires the lib |
| 06:21.14 | unstable | But I can't use xargs with optoins |
| 06:21.16 | unstable | options* |
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| 06:21.37 | nnod | infinity_: oh my |
| 06:21.54 | ankur | how can i use .chm file in linux ? |
| 06:21.59 | infinity_ | nnod: i really fucked up. i wasn't paying attention to what window i was in |
| 06:22.10 | scratchi | ankur: apt-get install xchm |
| 06:22.11 | michal_ | heh. m boss has just judged cups as crap because the file isn't world readable and that's not practical :) |
| 06:22.16 | nnod | infinity_: just reboot with a recovery cd or something |
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| 06:22.38 | infinity_ | nnod: hehe.. the system doesn't have a CD drive. ahhaha. .its all hard drives. |
| 06:22.43 | scratchi | michal_: You're boss are stupid, really!!! |
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| 06:23.18 | michal_ | scratchi: welcome to the REAL world |
| 06:23.35 | nnod | infinity_: is there some way you can get the library path to look at /lib/ld-2.3.x.so instead of ld-linux.so.2? |
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| 06:23.57 | scratchi | michal_: Yes i'm know; not nice when we have to do with guys like you're boss |
| 06:24.04 | infinity_ | nnod: err ...hm |
| 06:24.24 | infinity_ | nnod: well, considering the binary looks for a specific path, i don't think so |
| 06:24.25 | scratchi | ankur: 'xchm' been installed? |
| 06:25.11 | infinity_ | nnod: pwd works |
| 06:25.13 | infinity_ | heh |
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| 06:25.42 | codenamewilley | can anybody give me a pointer to ssl packages? |
| 06:25.50 | nnod | does cat work? |
| 06:26.05 | dpower | nnod: yes |
| 06:26.12 | dpower | :> |
| 06:26.20 | infinity_ | no cat |
| 06:26.43 | nnod | infinity_: funny, it has the same shared lib reqs as cat |
| 06:26.43 | dpower | :< |
| 06:26.55 | nnod | i mean as pwd |
| 06:27.13 | infinity_ | nnod: aren't there any commands that are static compiled? |
| 06:27.13 | ankur | scratchi : yeah. Installation is in progress |
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| 06:28.24 | infinity_ | there is a package called busybox-static |
| 06:28.24 | scratchi | infinity_: Can you not copy that link from another computer, or make it on another computer? |
| 06:28.29 | infinity_ | too bad its not installed! |
| 06:28.30 | infinity_ | heh |
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| 06:29.12 | infinity_ | scratchi: nfs mount? |
| 06:29.51 | scratchi | infinity_: Or via scp or so, or via 1 of the 36 possibilities |
| 06:30.07 | infinity_ | scratchi: tried scp. what other ideas do you have? |
| 06:30.54 | scratchi | infinity_: no many, with scp you can not set it on another computer? |
| 06:30.56 | infinity_ | too bad i'm not ircing as root |
| 06:31.12 | scratchi | infinity_: Set it in the /tmp |
| 06:31.35 | scratchi | infinity_: then go again on the machine an take owner of it; place it where needed ... |
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| 06:31.56 | infinity_ | scratchi: i can't move files around without that library |
| 06:32.11 | scratchi | infinity_: mc?? |
| 06:32.18 | tam | anyone know where to get squirrelmail themese? the free kind |
| 06:32.24 | infinity_ | scratchi: doesn't work either |
| 06:32.33 | scratchi | infinity_: with midnight commander or so |
| 06:32.37 | scratchi | ai |
| 06:32.38 | infinity_ | i think i'm screwed |
| 06:33.03 | scratchi | infinity_: bwa, just rebooting with an live cd or so |
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| 06:33.58 | infinity_ | scratchi: i wouldn't mind rebooting, but 1: the system has 6 hard drives and no cdrom. 2: the computer is shoved under the stairs. 3: it boots from software raid. |
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| 06:34.11 | niaht | glutton for punishment? |
| 06:34.20 | infinity_ | so basically, fixing my dumbass mistake is a nightmare. |
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| 06:34.38 | scratchi | infinity_: 4 it's not my fault that you have screw it up and hope and miracle ... |
| 06:34.50 | infinity_ | scratchi: hahhaha |
| 06:34.55 | infinity_ | scratchi: save ME! |
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| 06:35.11 | niaht | infinity_: Buy a cheap cdrom drive? |
| 06:35.30 | Ashex | I was poking around KDE trying to figure out why I couldn't get battery stats, and I found out my kernel wasn't compiled with full acpi support. |
| 06:35.37 | infinity_ | niaht: i have one a bunch of em. there wasn't room in the case for it. |
| 06:35.43 | niaht | infinity_: floppies are still my friend :) |
| 06:35.44 | scratchi | infinity_: Wait a bit, drinking my cup of coffee, like it's good hot |
| 06:35.49 | Ashex | Will I be able to install all the modules I need without having to recompile? |
| 06:36.07 | infinity_ | scratchi: i'm just going to leave it. the main processes are still running. it still serves files. |
| 06:36.13 | niaht | infinity_: Mount to the case with chewing gum? |
| 06:36.15 | infinity_ | i'll fix it when the power goes out :) |
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| 06:36.49 | scratchi | infinity_: An power failure and done ... We never know! |
| 06:36.55 | infinity_ | or when i get disconnected from the interent. (it's my qos/firewall/router running ppoe) |
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| 06:37.42 | scratchi | infinity_: He, know you a bit of programming? |
| 06:37.42 | infinity_ | if internet goes down. pppd restarts, and i'm SOL .... i like it! |
| 06:37.45 | infinity_ | not |
| 06:37.51 | infinity_ | scratchi: yea. some |
| 06:37.51 | niaht | Someone DDOS infinity_'s firewall :) |
| 06:37.56 | infinity_ | lol |
| 06:38.00 | infinity_ | NOOOOOOO! |
| 06:38.32 | scratchi | infinity_: Try to write an litte script or so to make that symlink. So you continue to play with it :-/ |
| 06:38.42 | niaht | infinity_: well.. you are using pppoe, so there is a good 75% chance your internet will go down someday soon. |
| 06:38.44 | infinity_ | niaht: lucky my irc client isn't running from it :) |
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| 06:39.05 | infinity_ | niaht: yep |
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| 06:39.49 | roundyz | Hello all |
| 06:39.50 | infinity_ | scratchi: that would work, but i have no way to get the file to /lib |
| 06:40.17 | infinity_ | scratchi: errr ...i can't execute the program as root |
| 06:40.17 | niaht | yay for braindead ipsec implementations. |
| 06:40.19 | infinity_ | scratchi: oh shit! you're a genious! |
| 06:40.28 | roundyz | I need some help please with making a newtork device.. |
| 06:40.47 | roundyz | like how do i do it? |
| 06:40.50 | niaht | roundyz: how do you mean? |
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| 06:40.54 | roundyz | do i use MAKEDEV? |
| 06:41.03 | infinity_ | scratchi: i have a root shell open. all i need to do is create a static link binary to create the link, copy the file to /tmp using smbd and execute it with my root shell |
| 06:41.06 | niaht | roundyz: No, network devices don't work that way. |
| 06:41.11 | roundyz | see i have my wireless module setup and hwinfo says its there |
| 06:41.16 | Kovecses | do the majority of you guys use sarge? |
| 06:41.19 | Azar | roundyz: be clear: what device? what network device? |
| 06:41.24 | roundyz | but when i iwconfig not listed |
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| 06:41.42 | niaht | Kovecses: Sure. |
| 06:41.43 | roundyz | oh, i'm using sid(unstable) |
| 06:41.43 | scratchi | infinity_: I have not understand that last part; so hesitating to say yes :-/ |
| 06:42.01 | infinity_ | scratchi: i can copy files onto it using windows. |
| 06:42.04 | roundyz | its a iwp2200 |
| 06:42.08 | roundyz | laptop |
| 06:42.20 | Kovecses | niaht, backports? |
| 06:42.23 | roundyz | i did a base insall with no wm, or no x. |
| 06:42.29 | infinity_ | scratchi: too bad i don't know C ...it can't be that hard to make a program that creates a link in C |
| 06:42.30 | niaht | Kovecses: Those are quite useful. |
| 06:42.37 | Kovecses | niaht, yes |
| 06:42.37 | roundyz | then i updated |
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| 06:42.49 | roundyz | then i added xorg and fluxbox |
| 06:43.03 | roundyz | but i don't evenknow if i havethe network admin tool |
| 06:43.10 | scratchi | infinity_: Python man!, really easy, i know also nothing of C and so but Python is really easy an GOOD, personally |
| 06:43.12 | Kovecses | they need a fluxbox backport |
| 06:43.13 | nevyn | hrm |
| 06:43.13 | roundyz | or even what that tool is really called. |
| 06:43.22 | niaht | Kovecses: Honestly, I don't follow the rules. |
| 06:43.34 | infinity_ | scratchi: static binary with python? |
| 06:43.41 | Kovecses | niaht, what rules? |
| 06:43.42 | scratchi | infinity_: When i need somethings; i write it in Python; |
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| 06:43.44 | roundyz | Anyone know wat thats called? |
| 06:43.52 | dannyp | C? who needs fancy high level languages like C? |
| 06:43.54 | Azar | roundyz: I googled for you : Mar 21 06:25:03 egeon su[990]: + ??? root:nobody |
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| 06:44.12 | scratchi | infinity_: I can ose to say, all what you want! |
| 06:44.14 | niaht | Kovecses: The loosely provided ones that warn us against installing a mix of dists in the way I do. |
| 06:44.15 | Azar | roundyz: sorry.. |
| 06:44.23 | dannyp | I've mainly used x86 processors for the last lots of years, so x86 assembly I'll stick with |
| 06:44.35 | roundyz | Azar: ? |
| 06:44.43 | Kovecses | niaht, mix of dists? |
| 06:44.48 | Azar | roundyz: http://www.vollink.com/gary/deb_wifi.html |
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| 06:44.57 | Kovecses | niaht, like mixing sarge and etch |
| 06:45.00 | niaht | Kovecses: stable/testing/unstable/experimental... yes |
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| 06:45.32 | scratchi | infinity_: Or can i not make that link for you, here in an shell so you download it and set it there? |
| 06:45.40 | niaht | Kovecses: But you won't find me asking for help in that regard either.. (YOYO some say) |
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| 06:46.20 | Azar | dannyp: me |
| 06:46.22 | Ashex | recovery mode is just command line, right? |
| 06:46.23 | Kovecses | niaht, your much safer just using backports |
| 06:46.24 | infinity_ | scratchi: it would have to be a program that is self sufficient |
| 06:46.29 | infinity_ | scratchi: so... no. :) |
| 06:46.32 | niaht | Kovecses: Absolutely. |
| 06:46.47 | infinity_ | anyone here write C code? |
| 06:46.55 | dannyp | Azar: use C and not know what registers stuff is being stored in? NO THANKS! |
| 06:47.18 | infinity_ | i need a program that creates a symlink in C. 5 liner. :) |
| 06:47.30 | raf256 | how do I set default system wide www browser? |
| 06:47.30 | Kovecses | infinity_, i know some C |
| 06:47.49 | nevyn | raf256: update-alternatives --configure www-browser |
| 06:47.57 | infinity_ | Kovecses: can you write a program in C that creates a symlink? or give me some example code? |
| 06:48.00 | nevyn | or x-www-browser |
| 06:48.23 | nevyn | infinity_: system("ln -s /blah /blah"); :) |
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| 06:48.30 | nevyn | but that's truely horrible. |
| 06:48.33 | Kovecses | infinity_, why on earth do that in C? |
| 06:48.44 | niaht | nevyn: ln isn't working for him. |
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| 06:48.52 | infinity_ | Kovecses: cuz i deleted ld-linux.so.2 |
| 06:48.55 | joloc | infinity_: man 2 symlink |
| 06:49.06 | Kovecses | infinity_, lol..... why? |
| 06:49.07 | infinity_ | Kovecses: so i can't run anything unless its statically compiled |
| 06:49.16 | raf256 | nevyn: why I can't use firefox? |
| 06:49.18 | infinity_ | so i need a C program to recreate the sym link |
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| 06:49.33 | Kovecses | infinity_, use a livecd |
| 06:49.36 | nevyn | infinity_: symlink(2) |
| 06:49.44 | infinity_ | Kovecses: i would, but the system is not easily accesable |
| 06:49.47 | Kovecses | infinity_, chroot over and symlink |
| 06:49.59 | infinity_ | Kovecses: ? |
| 06:50.12 | infinity_ | Kovecses: chroot to where? |
| 06:50.18 | raf256 | oh, x-www-browser |
| 06:50.45 | Kovecses | infinity_, what do you mean its not accessable? |
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| 06:51.20 | infinity_ | Kovecses: like not physically accessable |
| 06:51.30 | Kovecses | infinity_, ssh |
| 06:51.40 | nevyn | like somewhere with working hours and blah de blah |
| 06:51.46 | infinity_ | Kovecses: 99.9% of the system requires the lib |
| 06:51.50 | nevyn | Kovecses: how do you think he's running his statically linked problems? |
| 06:51.56 | dannyp | infinity_: how are you going to run the C program? |
| 06:51.57 | nevyn | s/problems/programs |
| 06:52.07 | infinity_ | dannyp: i have a root shell still |
| 06:52.08 | nevyn | that is an interesting point |
| 06:52.13 | nevyn | heh |
| 06:52.23 | nevyn | how did you bork it so bad? |
| 06:52.37 | scratchi | Why when i run 'update-alternatives --config www-browse' mozilla-firefox are no more in that list, but it's been installed |
| 06:52.41 | infinity_ | nevyn: i thought i was typing on a 64bit system :) ..wrong window |
| 06:52.41 | Azar | dannyp, do you think he needs assembly to re create a symlink, or write sockets? |
| 06:53.16 | dannyp | Azar: um, he doesn't /need/ assembly, no, compilers do exist |
| 06:53.22 | Kovecses | infinity_, sorry i think your problem is over my head.... lol |
| 06:53.50 | infinity_ | Kovecses: shit. i use to know the basics of C ..about 10 years ago. fuck |
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| 06:54.03 | scratchi | infinity_: I think you not especially need to write it in C language to accomplish it |
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| 06:54.17 | Kovecses | infinity_, what about python? |
| 06:54.20 | pop_korn | hi |
| 06:54.34 | kingspwned | infinity_, whatcha trying to do? |
| 06:54.35 | inkypinky | I can get my onboard sound card to work. Its supposed to be intel azalia based with alc880 codec but everytime I modprobe snd-hda-intel I get the error "ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:1d.2[C] -> GSI 22 (level, low) -> IRQ 225 |
| 06:54.35 | inkypinky | hda-intel: ioremap error |
| 06:54.35 | inkypinky | ACPI: PCI interrupt for device 0000:00:1d.2 disabled |
| 06:54.35 | inkypinky | " any idea where should I start looking |
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| 06:54.40 | scratchi | Kovecses: Is my Swiss army kniffe :-/ |
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| 06:54.56 | pop_korn | i wana install mplayer at apt-get, where is it ? |
| 06:55.06 | Kovecses | !marillat |
| 06:55.06 | dpkg | rumour has it, marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> <marillat.etch> <marillat.sid> |
| 06:55.07 | niaht | #include <unistd.h> |
| 06:55.07 | niaht | int symlink(const char *oldpath, const char *newpath); |
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| 06:55.12 | dannyp | but it would be a small enough assembly program to write |
| 06:55.41 | dannyp | I charge a consulting fee for that, however |
| 06:55.46 | infinity_ | dannyp: lol. |
| 06:55.53 | Kovecses | pop_korn, u get that |
| 06:55.54 | infinity_ | dannyp: i think i might have it figured out |
| 06:56.27 | inkypinky | I can get my onboard sound card to work. Its supposed to be intel azalia based with alc880 codec but everytime I modprobe snd-hda-intel I get an error I have pasted the dmesg output in #flood |
| 06:58.06 | liable | inkypinky: have you googled the lspci output from it? |
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| 06:58.19 | Kovecses | inkypinky, paste again in flood |
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| 06:59.14 | Kovecses | inkypinky, sarge etch sid? |
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| 06:59.28 | inkypinky | Kovecses, etch liable, I have googled the lspci output but no luck so far |
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| 06:59.45 | Kovecses | inkypinky, what kernel version |
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| 07:00.15 | inkypinky | Kovecses, 2.6.16 and official 2.6-15 bit give the same error |
| 07:00.41 | Kovecses | inkypinky, alsa version? |
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| 07:01.24 | Ashex | quick question, what's the command to kill X? |
| 07:01.36 | Kovecses | killall X? |
| 07:01.37 | nevyn | infinity_: got it sorted? |
| 07:01.50 | infinity_ | nevyn: almost.... i'm about to test my fix :) |
| 07:01.51 | Ashex | er, the key combo |
| 07:01.55 | inkypinky | whatever comes default with the kernels dont know the exact version tho I even tried using the updated alsa modules under module-assistant |
| 07:02.02 | Ashex | is it ctrl+shift+esc? |
| 07:02.12 | Kovecses | Ashex, ctrl alt escape |
| 07:02.13 | shingouz | Ashex: ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 07:02.29 | Kovecses | yeah backspace |
| 07:02.30 | Ashex | uh... |
| 07:02.31 | Kovecses | lol |
| 07:02.32 | Ashex | okay |
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| 07:02.55 | Ashex | wtf? |
| 07:02.59 | Ashex | it killed X |
| 07:03.07 | Ashex | and then it started back up, and logged me out |
| 07:03.08 | infinity_ | omfg i can't believe it worked. |
| 07:03.23 | Ashex | bah, I'll just switch windows |
| 07:03.24 | infinity_ | whew. |
| 07:03.26 | shingouz | Ashex: you have a display manager running on your syste, |
| 07:03.27 | Kovecses | inkypinky, its yout alsa version |
| 07:03.39 | infinity_ | scratchi: thanks. i think you're the one who gave me the idea. |
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| 07:03.56 | inkypinky | Kovecses, which version should I use |
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| 07:03.59 | scratchi | infinity_: Writing a bit of code, yes |
| 07:04.06 | Kovecses | inkypinky, what version are you using |
| 07:04.07 | Ashex | a display manager? |
| 07:04.10 | infinity_ | scratchi: i wrote a 5 line static C program and it fied it |
| 07:04.13 | infinity_ | er fixed it |
| 07:04.22 | scratchi | infinity_: You're Welcome :-) |
| 07:04.35 | shingouz | Ashex: basically a graphical login, your system boots up to X instead of a console |
| 07:04.38 | infinity_ | that was amazing. i never thought you could fix a deleted library problem |
| 07:04.44 | inkypinky | Kovecses, what version comes with 2.6.16 |
| 07:05.02 | Kovecses | inkypinky, its probly how you compiled the kernel |
| 07:05.15 | scratchi | infinity_: When you have a bit more time, try Python; really easy and powerfull. |
| 07:05.18 | SonnyBurnett | I have 2 soundcards: Intel (motherboard) and Cretive Audigfy 2 ZS , I installed the Audigy wit alsaconf, why does every time that I reboot my system appears with a the Intel soundcard configured instead the Creative? |
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| 07:06.00 | Ashex | ah, I'll just ctrl+alt+f2 to command line then after logging out :S |
| 07:06.17 | Kovecses | inkypinky, i always compile hda-snd-intel into the kernel...and say screw modules |
| 07:06.27 | shingouz | Ashex: or stop the display manager first, then kill X |
| 07:06.52 | scratchi | infinity_: I'm sure you are going to love Python man, for such situation... |
| 07:07.01 | Kovecses | i really want to learn python |
| 07:07.19 | scratchi | infinity_: And many other problem to solve -> Python!!! |
| 07:07.25 | inkypinky | Kovecses, even the ofical debian kernel 2.6.15 gave the same exact error and so have the modules compiled with module-assistant. I also compile them mostly into kernel but since it has given me the same error everytime I went to the module version to allow for debugging |
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| 07:08.03 | scratchi | Kovecses: DO IT, sorry guy, so im sure you understand my ;-) |
| 07:08.37 | Kovecses | scratchi, i didnt understand that |
| 07:08.41 | scratchi | Kovecses: You would be also love it ;-) |
| 07:09.08 | Kovecses | ????? |
| 07:09.36 | scratchi | Kovecses: Like you really want to learn Python, so give it an try guy, you would see it's really great and easy to use, and powerfull |
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| 07:09.57 | Kovecses | bbl |
| 07:10.25 | ongeboren | other people not being able to open *any* email with evolution? it hangs here on "formatting message" |
| 07:10.31 | scratchi | oeps, or hi is directly going to learn python /-) |
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| 07:10.56 | scratchi | ongeboren: No troubles with it here ... |
| 07:11.05 | niaht | infinity_: If you could use a four liner in C to create a symlink, I've got one for ya. |
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| 07:11.22 | scratchi | ongeboren: Let my guess you are Dutch :-) |
| 07:11.35 | infinity_ | niaht: whats that |
| 07:12.09 | niaht | infinity_: a simple four line C file that can create a symlink. Static paths. |
| 07:12.26 | niaht | infinity_: If you can compile it, it will run. |
| 07:12.30 | scratchi | ongeboren: So some mails you can not open it or Evolution crash? |
| 07:12.34 | dannyp | four lines? the assembly can't be much more than that! :) |
| 07:12.36 | ongeboren | scratchi, living in the region, but with more noble origin :) |
| 07:12.42 | pollywog | what is a good command-line utility for conv wavs to mp3? |
| 07:12.43 | niaht | dannyp: :) |
| 07:12.50 | infinity_ | niaht: static paths? full path name or static link? |
| 07:12.54 | stoned | wav2mp3 |
| 07:13.04 | pollywog | stoned: ty |
| 07:13.25 | scratchi | ongeboren: So, you are french person? |
| 07:13.35 | niaht | just a standard symlink, it's just that this little ditty doesn't take command line options, so the path, and link path, are hardcoded in. |
| 07:13.38 | ongeboren | scratchi, it's not crashing, it just hangs. and it happens on all emails.. now i'm not even able to start evolution, because it tries to display a message in the preview pane even when I especially disabled the preview in gconf |
| 07:14.10 | niaht | for instance... main() { symlink("/etc/hosts", "./hosts"); } is the main code. |
| 07:14.14 | scratchi | ongeboren: Try to run evolution from an shell; so all errors you would like to see it in the console. |
| 07:14.27 | VulpesFoxnik | umm |
| 07:14.47 | VulpesFoxnik | I did something reallly stupid and deleted the wrong folder on a vfat partition |
| 07:15.01 | VulpesFoxnik | Is there any recovery software for linux that supports vfat? |
| 07:15.07 | niaht | VulpesFoxnik: oops.Got a backup? |
| 07:15.11 | infinity_ | niaht: you can't get it to work? |
| 07:15.18 | idealm | Question: Sound device doesn't work for non-root users. How can I solve it? |
| 07:15.18 | niaht | infinity_: It works perfectly. |
| 07:15.26 | jm_ | idealm: /msg dpkg audio |
| 07:15.28 | infinity_ | i just dod symlink("ld-2.3.6.so","ld-linux.so.2") |
| 07:15.32 | ongeboren | scratchi, http://pastebin.com/619522 |
| 07:15.35 | niaht | infinity_: sweet. |
| 07:15.48 | VulpesFoxnik | niaht: Nope |
| 07:15.54 | infinity_ | and then gcc -static -o linkme linkme.c |
| 07:16.02 | infinity_ | whala! ehhe |
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| 07:16.17 | niaht | infinity_: With proper includes.. yep |
| 07:16.27 | VulpesFoxnik | niaht: Sorta need to scan my drive and do a recover of them. I don't know of any linux software that does this. I know I have some windows software that does |
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| 07:17.05 | scratchi | Someone have see the pastebin of 'ongeboren'? |
| 07:17.13 | niaht | VulpesFoxnik: A quick search in apt showed 'testdisk' and 'mondo' |
| 07:17.27 | VulpesFoxnik | Mondo is for backing up from an ISO |
| 07:17.31 | VulpesFoxnik | :\ |
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| 07:17.51 | scratchi | ongeboren: I think there are not enought in that output, have you copy and paste all the data? |
| 07:17.57 | niaht | VulpesFoxnik: I didn't read the full descriptions.. |
| 07:18.13 | VulpesFoxnik | niaht: I don't have teskdisk in my repository |
| 07:18.20 | jm_ | deletion on fat partitions is done by changing the first letter of the target to a special code, should be easy to recover if nothing else overwritten it |
| 07:18.35 | niaht | VulpesFoxnik: On further inspection, looks like it is for partitions. |
| 07:18.48 | ongeboren | scratchi, i can make a screenshot, if you like :) that's all |
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| 07:19.32 | scratchi | ongeboren: No needs; if it hangs, screenshot will waves ;-) |
| 07:19.38 | ongeboren | scratchi, btw, i managed to switch evolution to a different folder before it tries to load the first message.. now i can tell it's hanging on what appears to be html emails |
| 07:20.16 | scratchi | ongeboren: Have you copy all the data from that console; is possible you have been done, it's juste the output that i not really understand. |
| 07:20.32 | ongeboren | which is strange.. i'm not loading external images and i no animations.. |
| 07:20.43 | ongeboren | which is strange.. i'm not loading external images and i'm playing no animations.. |
| 07:21.21 | VulpesFoxnik | graaa |
| 07:21.28 | ongeboren | scratchi, i'm pretty sure that's all. it hangs and i can quit it by hitting the close window button several times |
| 07:21.31 | ongeboren | no other output |
| 07:21.54 | VulpesFoxnik | deleted my artwork! Does Anyone know of a recovery device that runs on linux that works with vfat? |
| 07:22.08 | ongeboren | scratchi, here.. http://pastebin.com/619526 |
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| 07:23.37 | scratchi | ongeboren: It's that 'invalid pointer: 0x0899e0a8 ***' to understand, but how to solve it, it's another one :-/ |
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| 07:24.19 | ongeboren | i also found something recent that could have reference to my problem: http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.rc/browse_thread/thread/4ddea5fa14171922/8b9a7e8624338516?lnk=st&q=evolution+formatting+message&rnum=1#8b9a7e8624338516 |
| 07:24.22 | scratchi | ongeboren: You can detourn the problem by FIRST backing up you're data of Evolution; then delete you're files and restore on at one the mails ... |
| 07:24.59 | Aalborg | hi, I have just downloaded a debian .iso file and I'm about to burn it to a single DVD. -Do I have to do something before I burn it in order to make it work...? |
| 07:25.06 | scratchi | ongeboren: You need to know about 'tinyurl' go to http://tinyurl.com/ |
| 07:25.12 | Aalborg | can it boot just like that? |
| 07:25.13 | ongeboren | scratchi, how exactly would I restore it ? |
| 07:25.32 | scratchi | ongeboren: Depending how you have backup it :-/ |
| 07:25.32 | jm_ | Aalborg: burn it as image |
| 07:25.33 | ongeboren | oh yes.. the tinyurl.. sorry |
| 07:25.52 | ongeboren | ok, i'll try something |
| 07:26.03 | scratchi | ongeboren: the links crap here a bit in 'irssi' chatting in the console ... |
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| 07:26.13 | Aalborg | jm_: will that make it bootable? -I don't know what "image" stand for. what it is... |
| 07:26.23 | jm_ | Aalborg: yes, Debian CD-s are bootable |
| 07:26.27 | stoned | scratchi, openurl.pl |
| 07:26.46 | Aalborg | jm_: it's a single DVD, not the CD's |
| 07:26.49 | scratchi | Aalborg: That DO the different |
| 07:26.54 | jm_ | Aalborg: DVD-s are bootable too ... |
| 07:27.02 | Aalborg | jm_: ok |
| 07:27.13 | Aalborg | scratchi: hw different? |
| 07:27.20 | Aalborg | how |
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| 07:27.55 | ongeboren | scratchi, what is this ?:) console chat.. i always thought it's for the people refusing to believe it's 2006 and not 1976 anymore |
| 07:28.01 | niaht | ho! I did not know.. fsck.vfat -r -u <pathname> /dev/<device> |
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| 07:28.12 | kingspwned | ongeboren, its the only way to go, actually |
| 07:28.22 | scratchi | stoned: What mean you with that link? |
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| 07:29.01 | Aalborg | jm_: in my burning application (K3b) I have an option about editing a new boot image... -do I have to use that? I have no idea about it.. |
| 07:29.08 | niaht | VulpesFoxnik: You see ^ ? |
| 07:29.26 | scratchi | ongeboren: Yes, but you need it to view it on the other side. I'm know why i use so many as possible tools in the cli. You probably not :-/ |
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| 07:29.59 | VulpesFoxnik | niaht: I see what? |
| 07:30.25 | VulpesFoxnik | hmmm |
| 07:30.28 | jm_ | Aalborg: k3b has similar option as Nero - Burn Image |
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| 07:30.38 | niaht | VulpesFoxnik: fsck.vfat -r -u <pathname> /dev/<device> |
| 07:30.42 | jm_ | Aalborg: http://www.pclinuxonline.com/wiki/BurningIsoK3B |
| 07:30.48 | Aalborg | jm_: ok, I'll figure it out that way... tnx |
| 07:31.01 | scratchi | ongeboren: Know you how to make an backup (an tar file or zip if you prefer) when you're graphical environment are down? |
| 07:31.24 | VulpesFoxnik | niaht: will that undelete everything? |
| 07:31.47 | VulpesFoxnik | niaht: or just the folder I didn't mean to? |
| 07:32.03 | Juerd | "/usr/sbin/mkinitrd: Cannot determine SCSI module" -- Every attempt at using mkinitrd results in this. Any ideas? |
| 07:32.21 | ongeboren | scratchi, well.. i've learned that for the humble 8 years i'm using only linux :) |
| 07:32.24 | niaht | VulpesFoxnik: The man page says - "-u path try to undelete that (non-directory) file". I'm guessing this is file by file. |
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| 07:32.31 | Juerd | I tried mkinitramfs, but that always ends in lots of error messages, and eventually a busybox shell. |
| 07:32.42 | niaht | VulpesFoxnik: However it could lead you somewhere. |
| 07:33.06 | VulpesFoxnik | niaht: Doesn't help me much. There were 50 some files in that folder |
| 07:33.17 | VulpesFoxnik | niaht: and I don't remember names |
| 07:33.27 | Zoo | hi guys |
| 07:33.37 | VulpesFoxnik | I'll just boot into windows and hope I can get the recovery software to do it |
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| 07:33.55 | ongeboren | scratchi, actually there were no graphical tools for that in the past as far as i remember |
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| 07:35.44 | viyyer | I wanted to enquire about this bughttp://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=347219 |
| 07:35.56 | viyyer | oops the link broke... http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=347219 |
| 07:36.08 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 347219 |
| 07:36.11 | dpkg | #347219:W[libapache2-mod-python] libapache2-mod-python: please support python 2.4; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:03:01 UTC |
| 07:36.27 | dondelelcaro | viyyer: what in particular about it? |
| 07:37.03 | codenamewilley | Hi i have apache running and hostinga cgi script |
| 07:37.13 | viyyer | in particular if there would be a modpython for python2.4 soon? |
| 07:37.24 | codenamewilley | But the cgi script need ssl |
| 07:37.57 | codenamewilley | Any ideas or pointers on how to go abot that in debian |
| 07:37.57 | viyyer | it's quite sometime since modpython supports python2.4 now |
| 07:37.59 | dondelelcaro | viyyer: that's really a question that only Peter Hawkins can answer, but presumably it's a simple change to the package |
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| 07:38.43 | dondelelcaro | viyyer: considering the fact that it has 2 RC bugs though, it's quite likely that the maintainer is MIA |
| 07:38.50 | ongeboren | humm, this evolution thing has no export functions :) |
| 07:39.13 | codenamewilley | I tried installling modssl + openssl as said @ http://www.modssl.org/example/ but the make deos not proceed and i get stuck |
| 07:39.40 | codenamewilley | is there any work around to have apache +ssl |
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| 07:41.31 | dondelelcaro | viyyer: you may try asking on debian-python@lists.debian.org if anyone is interested in helping out peter so that those bugs can get fixed |
| 07:41.33 | viyyer | dondelelcaro, one more question is .. is python2.4 slated to become more common. as more newer distros are supporting it or are there enough legacy apps to continue staying on python2.3 |
| 07:41.52 | viyyer | dondelelcaro, will sure do.. |
| 07:41.57 | dondelelcaro | viyyer: yes, python2.4 is going to become the default; a plan is being worked on right now to do that transition |
| 07:42.08 | bucky | codenamewilley: is there a reason you don't want to use apache2 ? |
| 07:42.16 | viyyer | dondelelcaro, atleast for testing/unstable this make a lot of sense |
| 07:42.23 | dondelelcaro | viyyer: as far as the modpython2.4 thing, you can also update the package to use python2.4 yourself, too. |
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| 07:42.36 | dondelelcaro | viyyer: right, the next release will go with python2.4 assuming everything happens like it's supposed to |
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| 07:42.37 | niaht | sleuthkit looks interesting |
| 07:43.07 | viyyer | dondelelcaro, can you give me pointers how to do modpython for python2.4 thingie for now ? |
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| 07:43.33 | codenamewilley | bucky:never tried it could you give more info as is where can i get it etc is there a package for it? |
| 07:43.45 | bucky | apt-cache search apache2 |
| 07:43.48 | bucky | http://mario.espaciolinux.com/apache2_ssl.html |
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| 07:44.10 | lac | How do you find out where the executable of a package you have just installed (i.e. openoffice from testing) lives? |
| 07:44.15 | dondelelcaro | viyyer: not without looking at the module; but presumably adding a build-dependency on python2.4-dev and duplicating the same work that has been done to support 2.1-2.3 will do it. |
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| 07:44.21 | dondelelcaro | lac: dpkg -L foopackage; |
| 07:44.22 | jm_ | lac: list the contents |
| 07:44.26 | dondelelcaro | lac: in your case, it's ooffice |
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| 07:44.44 | codenamewilley | bucky do i need to remove apache which is there ie apache 1.3.34 |
| 07:44.45 | lac | dondelelcaro: thanks very much. |
| 07:44.46 | mosgreg | hi |
| 07:45.10 | bucky | codenamewilley: no but you can't have both running at the same time |
| 07:45.23 | niaht | codenamewilley: apt-cache search libapache ssl |
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| 07:46.21 | mosgreg | since I have installed kernel package 2.6.16 my sysem doesnt generate a z-image anymore. I have a vmlinux-2.6.16-1-vserver-powerpc but no more vmlinuz-2.6.16-1-vserver-powerpc which I need to boot |
| 07:46.46 | bucky | niaht: libapache-mod-ssl is for apache 1.3 |
| 07:46.56 | mosgreg | I tried creating one myself with mkvmlinuz but nothing happened, no error - nothibng |
| 07:47.27 | niaht | VulpesFoxnik: Looking at an app called sleuthkit. Complicated thing... |
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| 07:47.45 | VulpesFoxnik | niaht: Already fixed the problem in windows |
| 07:47.47 | codenamewilley | bucky niaht thak you for the help :) i am trying it |
| 07:47.55 | tainted_ | this is off-topic but, anyone here work with webcams in debian? |
| 07:48.18 | niaht | bucky, I think that is about what he has installed. |
| 07:48.19 | tainted_ | just wondering what has worked for poeple in the past |
| 07:48.45 | niaht | VulpesFoxnik: Think of the future man :) |
| 07:48.51 | dondelelcaro | tainted_: google is probably your best bet if no one here knows specifically |
| 07:48.53 | bucky | codenamewilley: did you install apache 1.3 from apt ? |
| 07:49.10 | codenamewilley | bucky:yes |
| 07:49.11 | tainted_ | is there a hardware list for debian friendly webcams? |
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| 07:49.40 | dondelelcaro | tainted_: not really; all you care about is webcams that the kernel supports though... if linux does, debian will. |
| 07:49.56 | tainted_ | ok |
| 07:50.02 | VulpesFoxnik | niaht: Looks like I'd have to compile it from source code. No deps |
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| 07:50.44 | roundyz | could someone please tell me what the name of the debain tool that is used to configure networking (gui)? network admin? |
| 07:50.56 | niaht | VulpesFoxnik: Do you mean that to use it it would have to not have dependancies? Or that you couldn't install it with apt/dpkg? |
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| 07:51.12 | VulpesFoxnik | niaht: err I ment debs. |
| 07:51.16 | bucky | roundyz: etherconf ? |
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| 07:51.35 | VulpesFoxnik | niaht: and if I knew how to compile to a deb I would |
| 07:51.35 | itchi | roundyz: You have many chooses |
| 07:52.02 | codenamewilley | bucky: the ssl certificate need a server name is it the same as apache server name /webserver name? |
| 07:52.03 | niaht | VulpesFoxnik: it is in stable, testing and unstable. |
| 07:52.15 | roundyz | the one thats on kde or gnome as "network admin" |
| 07:52.18 | itchi | roundyz: If you are running KDE for example, he provide on; running Gnome, same case... |
| 07:52.21 | VulpesFoxnik | niaht:k |
| 07:52.37 | roundyz | fluxbox |
| 07:53.02 | itchi | roundyz: fluxbox no; he use already existing stuff :-/ |
| 07:53.17 | VulpesFoxnik | niaht: Doesn't seem to include Autospy, the gui |
| 07:53.19 | lac | I did dpkg -L openoffice.org and it did not tell me anything about /usr/bin/ooffice |
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| 07:53.35 | medusaXX | how can i find out why a package is being 'kept back' ? |
| 07:53.38 | roundyz | see this wireless is doing my head in now |
| 07:53.41 | itchi | lac: Is that the real name of that package? |
| 07:53.43 | niaht | VulpesFoxnik: apt-cache show autopsy |
| 07:53.50 | roundyz | the module is loaded |
| 07:53.51 | niaht | VulpesFoxnik: Though it's not really a gui |
| 07:54.19 | nkuttler | medusaXX: /msg dpkg kept back |
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| 07:54.31 | medusaXX | thx |
| 07:54.43 | roundyz | anlso 1 really annoyingthing iis on a console, when you ls how do you get it to break a screen at a time? |
| 07:54.52 | niaht | VulpesFoxnik: It's actually a little web interface, that is less useful I think than one would hope for. Targeted toward forensic use in a crime lab or such. |
| 07:55.07 | SevenIsPrime | roundyz: errm, pipe into less? |
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| 07:55.22 | niaht | VulpesFoxnik: I think maybe the tools in sleuthkit, used from the command line, would be more functional. |
| 07:55.23 | VulpesFoxnik | niaht: oops I was mispelling it |
| 07:55.41 | lac | itchi: I get output, it talks about /usr/share/doc/openoffice.org/NEWS.Debian.gz, and I got the package by saying apt-get install openoffice.org |
| 07:55.57 | lac | itchi: so that was good enough for me? should it be? |
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| 07:57.09 | niaht | sleuthkit led me to dstat, which I hadn't noticed before. |
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| 07:57.29 | itchi | lac: Yes, it's right |
| 07:57.37 | niaht | sorta unrelatedd |
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| 07:59.18 | itchi | !apt-cache search |
| 07:59.18 | dpkg | rumour has it, apt-cache is a tool with several commands that query the package cache in various ways. To see versions of a package or which repository is came from, use apt-cache policy foo, apt-cache show foo or apt-cache showpkg foo (searches for reverse dependencies). apt-cache search foo helps finding which packages provide or are related to foo by seearching all package descriptions. man apt-cache |
| 07:59.21 | bucky | lac: there's an executable for each OOo app i.e. oowriter etc and on for the suite |
| 07:59.26 | lac | Itchi: ok, so the only reason that I know that openoffice is called ooffice is that dondelecaro was kind enough to tell me. I would like to know how I was supposed to find this out in the absense of such kindness for the future. |
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| 08:00.26 | itchi | lac: It's somethings like OOo OpenOffice.org |
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| 08:00.44 | itchi | oeps, not have see the othe msg |
| 08:00.51 | ice_1963 | :) |
| 08:01.24 | viyyer | dondelelcaro, will look at it , thanks :) |
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| 08:02.26 | itchi | lac: You need an tool like synaptic, but on that show you the stuff in another way, i forget the name of it |
| 08:02.29 | isilzha | if i want to dist-upgrade to etch, is it save to just rename "stable" to "unstable"? what do i do with security.debian.org? leave it as stable? because running an update after setting this to unstable didn't run as expected |
| 08:02.45 | isilzha | rename in the sources.list i mean |
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| 08:03.02 | liable | isilzha: erm, etch is testing, not unstable. |
| 08:03.34 | isilzha | liable: i believes sid was testing? |
| 08:03.37 | isilzha | *believed |
| 08:03.48 | itchi | lac: Do an apt-search of 'Debian package search' |
| 08:03.56 | niaht | isilzha: There is no security repository for unstable (that I know of).. sid is unstable (always) |
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| 08:04.28 | codenamewilley_ | bucky: in the pointer you gave me it says Edit /etc/apache2/sites-available/ssl and change port 80 to 443 but i dont find port 80 anywhere in that file :( |
| 08:04.39 | isilzha | niaht: ok my fault. so i leave security at stable? |
| 08:04.42 | itchi | lac: packagesearch - GUI for searching packages and viewing package information |
| 08:04.45 | niaht | isilzha: and remove the security entry unless you are going to do some fancy pinning and such. |
| 08:05.04 | liable | isilzha: there is security for etch. |
| 08:05.08 | itchi | lac: You also need 'debtags'8 |
| 08:05.14 | niaht | isilzha: but not for sid :) |
| 08:05.16 | karsten | liable: Indeed there is. |
| 08:05.16 | itchi | lac: You also need 'debtags'! |
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| 08:05.55 | redloff | hi |
| 08:06.02 | itchi | yo |
| 08:06.11 | redloff | a strange thing happens to my pc |
| 08:06.15 | isilzha | niaht, liable: ok... sounds weird to me i admit. but anyway. thank you both ;) |
| 08:06.29 | karsten | For the mutt-heads: Suppose you wanted to encrypt all mail sent to a particular domain, or senders. Any way to do that? 'send_hook' would seem right, but IIUC it leaves you in the state of encrypting all mail after the event. |
| 08:06.32 | `ns` | is there anyone here who runs Dosage, and would be interested in giving me some feedback on a frontend for I have written (cli , python) |
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| 08:07.04 | plbgnr | hello, I want to get work authentication in apache2 against ldap server over ssl, I installed all needed modules and set it as described in manual page for mod_ldap (I paste it here http://pastebin.com/619552) but I always get in apache error log this "[LDAP: ssl connections not supported][Unknown error]" and I didn't find anything usable with google ...can anybody help? |
| 08:07.06 | redloff | whenever I turn to graphical console via alt+f7 it |
| 08:07.07 | pmallapp | hi all |
| 08:07.09 | lac | hmm, I get # apt-search 'Debian package search' |
| 08:07.10 | lac | bash: apt-search: command not found |
| 08:07.10 | redloff | !!! |
| 08:07.11 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 08:07.57 | liable | lac: apt-cache search.. |
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| 08:08.13 | niaht | isilzha: Legend: Stable=Woody, Testing=Etch, Unstable=Sid. Stable and Testing have security repository. Don't mix and match stable/testing/unstable unless you know what you are doing, this applies to security as well.. (alltogethernow!) |
| 08:08.43 | redloff | sorry, whenever I turn to graphical console via alt+f7 it's ok, then when I switch back to terminal it's also allright, *but* when I switch back again to graphical, I see only black screen and the keyboard is inactive |
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| 08:08.50 | redloff | what could be wrong? |
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| 08:09.06 | lac | liable: thanks. ok this returns nothing. does this mean I need and do not have debtags? |
| 08:09.28 | redloff | also I have to pull out the ps/2 keyboard plug and then push it back after each computer restart, else it doesn't work :| |
| 08:09.48 | itchi | lac: For the good functional of that app you need to add debtags |
| 08:09.55 | liable | lac: um, apt-cache search <package>, if you want to see if you have something installed, dpkg -l <package> |
| 08:10.10 | itchi | lac: Sorry i confuse you |
| 08:10.31 | bucky | lac: dpkg -L openoffice.org |
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| 08:10.38 | itchi | lac: If the search retrn nothing; nothing are found! |
| 08:11.07 | isilzha | niaht: stable is woody? that's old stable isn't it? sarge should be stable no? |
| 08:11.21 | niaht | isilzha: woah man.. your right.. I'm going to bed now. |
| 08:11.23 | weasel00 | !beer everyone in #debian |
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| 08:11.24 | itchi | lac: 'apt-cache search "Debian package search"' |
| 08:11.24 | sep | isilzha, correct |
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| 08:11.26 | lac | bucky: dpkg -L openoffice.org does not tell me about /usr/bin/ooffice. that is the problem I am trying to learn to avoid in the future, installing a package and having no clue how to run it |
| 08:11.33 | niaht | night all |
| 08:11.37 | niaht | woody.. bah! lol |
| 08:11.50 | Albinoblackmoose | hello |
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| 08:11.54 | isilzha | niaht: ^^ thank you anyway ;) and gn8 |
| 08:11.58 | codenamewilley_ | this site http://mario.espaciolinux.com/apache2_ssl.htm says # |
| 08:11.59 | buu | bpalmer: STOP STALKING ME. |
| 08:12.06 | Albinoblackmoose | I need a friends hotmail password. Can anyone help me get it? |
| 08:12.11 | bpalmer | I only stalk you because I care, buu |
| 08:12.13 | bynari | Albinoblackmoose: He meant to say #php. #php can help |
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| 08:12.41 | bucky | lac: apt-file search ooffice |
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| 08:13.03 | itchi | lac: 'dpkg -L pkg' list all the files, you need to see and understand where an binaire file could be located, when you know that you find it in 123 |
| 08:13.03 | codenamewilley_ | Edit /etc/apache2/sites-available/ssl (or whatever you called your new ssl site's config) and change port 80 in the name of the site to 44 but i do not see port 80 line |
| 08:13.04 | bucky | /usr/bin/ooffice is in openoffice.org-debian-files |
| 08:13.12 | codenamewilley_ | where do i add it ? |
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| 08:13.41 | itchi | lac: So that command you need to know, and a bit more ... |
| 08:13.47 | Fr0 | out of curiosity, is it possible to run debootstrap on other distros? I'm trying to build a debian system for an ARM-based NAS box, but my host-pc is running Fedora... |
| 08:14.03 | bucky | codenamewilley_: according to the link i gave you http://mario.espaciolinux.com/apache2_ssl.html |
| 08:14.04 | bucky | Make a copy of '/etc/apache2/sites-available/default' - call it something like 'ssl' |
| 08:14.08 | karsten | Fr0: Yes. |
| 08:14.21 | codenamewilley_ | bucky: i did that |
| 08:14.35 | karsten | Fr0: RTFM, Debian Installer, appendix for "installing under another Unix or Linux system" |
| 08:14.38 | dondelelcaro | Fr0: there's actually a debootstrap rpm out there... |
| 08:14.42 | karsten | Fr0: A/K/A chroot install method. |
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| 08:15.41 | bucky | codenamewilley_: did you add a Listen 443 to /etc/apache2/ports.conf ? |
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| 08:15.48 | codenamewilley_ | bucky but that file does not have the line said later |
| 08:15.53 | codenamewilley_ | bucky:yes |
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| 08:17.21 | Shadowwulf | hello |
| 08:17.24 | redloff | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:17.26 | redloff | ! |
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| 08:17.59 | Shadowwulf | i have a question ... my debain install on CD is locking up at detecting CD rom 2 % ... loading yenta_socket |
| 08:18.09 | Shadowwulf | anyway to get around that ? |
| 08:18.21 | bucky | codenamewilley_: it may have changed from <VirtualHost *:80> to <VirtualHost *> i don't know.. it's not that hard to set up |
| 08:18.35 | viyyer | Shadowwulf, laptop ? |
| 08:18.40 | Shadowwulf | yep |
| 08:18.40 | Shadowwulf | dell |
| 08:18.59 | codenamewilley_ | bucky ok ill try |
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| 08:19.21 | bucky | codenamewilley_: you'll need something like <VirtualHost *:443> |
| 08:19.49 | itchi | Shadowwulf: You need to add an boot cheat code?? |
| 08:20.05 | Shadowwulf | ok |
| 08:20.06 | bucky | codenamewilley_: you need apache2 to listen on 443 and a default VirtualHost for 443.. basic apache stuff |
| 08:20.10 | Shadowwulf | what is it ? |
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| 08:21.25 | k31th | Whats a simple program i can use to send mail in linux, all i want to do is send some out put from some scripts to my email so i can check they have ran correctly etc |
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| 08:21.47 | jm_ | k31th: use the traditional mail utility |
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| 08:22.13 | viyyer | Shadowwulf, try not loading it .. whatever commands it take on the boot prompt |
| 08:22.14 | k31th | jm_: im using blah-output | mail keith@mydomain.com But they are not sending |
| 08:22.29 | viyyer | Shadowwulf, I mean try not loading yenta_socket |
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| 08:22.49 | k31th | jm_: is this due to MTA not being configured ? |
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| 08:23.15 | liable | Shadowwulf: boot into expert mode, pree the F3 or whatever key to see options.. |
| 08:23.17 | Shadowwulf | what would the commands be ? i tried ... hw-detect/start_pcmcia=false and it still tried to load the TI driver and locked up |
| 08:24.01 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 08:24.01 | dpkg | [popcon] the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 08:24.09 | tarzeau | !blacklist |
| 08:24.09 | dpkg | it has been said that blacklist is Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 08:24.11 | k31th | Ah i wonder if its my spam filter dropping the emails ? |
| 08:24.13 | lac | k31th: does cat somefile | mail keith@mydomain.com work? |
| 08:24.15 | Shadowwulf | ok i see where to uncheck it |
| 08:24.27 | Shadowwulf | thanks viyyer |
| 08:24.29 | Aalborg | hey, I'm using K3b to burn a debian iso image to a DVD, but it gives me error and says it's a wrong medium type, and unable to eject media. -what's the trick? |
| 08:24.42 | tarzeau | Aalborg: #debian-kde |
| 08:24.46 | Shadowwulf | can you guys answer a knoppix question since it is kinda the same ? |
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| 08:24.54 | k31th | lac: no, i wonder if its spam assasin if it cant do a reverse lookup etc would that be why |
| 08:24.54 | tarzeau | Shadowwulf: no |
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| 08:24.56 | tarzeau | !based on |
| 08:25.00 | Shadowwulf | k |
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| 08:25.16 | bucky | !kinda the same |
| 08:25.24 | tarzeau | !debian based |
| 08:25.24 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 08:25.42 | Shadowwulf | ill just play with debian then |
| 08:25.53 | viyyer | !knoppix |
| 08:25.53 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandriva is redhat. don't forget to ask me about <Based On Debian> |
| 08:26.08 | tarzeau | wtf happened to the !debian based stuff? |
| 08:26.12 | viyyer | !based on debian |
| 08:26.12 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 08:26.18 | xhaan | heh |
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| 08:26.30 | tarzeau | apt based on debian |
| 08:26.31 | apt | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 08:26.43 | tarzeau | apt test |
| 08:26.46 | apt | Oh, no! There's a test and I haven't studied! |
| 08:26.46 | liable | someone musta changed it. |
| 08:26.46 | tarzeau | dpkg test |
| 08:26.46 | dpkg | Sorry, tarzeau, I didn't get your test. |
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| 08:27.06 | liable | !factinfo based on debian |
| 08:27.06 | dpkg | based on debian -- last modified at Tue Mar 14 03:04:48 2006 by dondelelcaro!n=don@archimedes.ucr.edu. |
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| 08:27.41 | Shadowwulf | if and when i do get this fully installed ... is there a way to start pcmcia services inside debain ? |
| 08:27.48 | lac | k13th: try cat somefile | sendmail your-address |
| 08:28.13 | liable | Shadowwulf: are you loading the 2.6 kernel or 2.4? |
| 08:28.14 | bucky | archimedes was a hack |
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| 08:28.34 | Shadowwulf | whatever is the newest downlaod and default load with expert |
| 08:28.51 | Shadowwulf | ill presume 2.6 |
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| 08:29.06 | liable | depends if its the sarge or etch installer. |
| 08:29.21 | Generic | I'm trying to compile my kernel, but I get this error when I try make bzImage: http://pastebin.com/619580 |
| 08:29.32 | Shadowwulf | its the 180 mb install |
| 08:29.40 | Shadowwulf | not sure whats inclkuded |
| 08:29.56 | liable | that means nothing |
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| 08:31.35 | viyyer | liable, doesn't sarge installer have kernel2.6 ? |
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| 08:32.07 | Generic | any clue what may be causing make to abort? |
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| 08:32.22 | liable | viyyer: yes, but not as default. |
| 08:32.39 | kingspwned | Generic, make'd your modules? |
| 08:33.06 | Supaplex | Generic: asked your doctor? ;) </bad> |
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| 08:33.17 | kingspwned | haha |
| 08:33.36 | Generic | yeah, I did a make modules and a make modules_install |
| 08:34.26 | codenamewilley_ | bucky:I have to configure things as said in the pointer u have given but now to host the script i should configure httpd.conf right but apache2 httpd conf is differenet |
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| 08:34.43 | kingspwned | Generic, then i am stumped, sorry |
| 08:34.50 | Generic | well, damn |
| 08:35.04 | Supaplex | w/ or w/o kp? |
| 08:35.19 | bucky | codenamewilley_: the pointer you blame me for says nothing about httpd.conf |
| 08:35.44 | bucky | codenamewilley_: and apache2.conf should not be edited in debian.. ever |
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| 08:36.49 | aran | hello ,everybody! |
| 08:37.00 | xhaan | howdy |
| 08:37.30 | itchi | yo |
| 08:39.37 | aran | ÓÐÖйúµÄô |
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| 08:41.15 | Supaplex | !cz |
| 08:41.16 | dpkg | i heard cz is Czech Republic. Kanal pro cechy je #debian-cz |
| 08:41.21 | Supaplex | bzzzt |
| 08:41.23 | Supaplex | !cn |
| 08:41.23 | dpkg | hmm... cn is China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
| 08:41.31 | Supaplex | aran: ^^^ |
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| 08:41.42 | osiris_ | !th |
| 08:41.48 | osiris_ | ;p |
| 08:41.52 | foo | Bah, I am in screen on linux and I feel like I press something and I freeze the screen. Anyway to unfreeze it? I've checked the man pages. |
| 08:42.14 | aran | !cn |
| 08:42.14 | dpkg | from memory, cn is China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
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| 08:43.19 | Supaplex | foo: like ^S or something? xon/xoff? |
| 08:43.54 | Supaplex | I somehow fixed that keybinding years ago. forgot how I did :) |
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| 08:44.15 | jm_ | foo: try space/enter |
| 08:44.17 | foo | Supaplex: Hmm, possibly. ^Q doesn't bring it back to life. hmm |
| 08:44.24 | foo | jm_: nope. hm. |
| 08:44.43 | jm_ | maybe it died on you |
| 08:44.48 | Supaplex | multiple ^S's in a row don't help :P |
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| 08:44.54 | Supaplex | iirc |
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| 08:46.10 | Gawaine | Hi |
| 08:46.58 | Gawaine | I've a problem with the compilation of an HelloWorld with the qt4 on debian unstable. Can anyone help me ? I don't know what is the problem |
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| 08:47.08 | knite | I was just building the kernel after getting the latest source tree update, and I'm wondering: do I have to specify --initrd to make-kpkg? or will it be assumed by default? |
| 08:47.53 | vin` | knite: default is without initrd, specify --initrd if you want one. |
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| 08:48.06 | knite | vin`: ok. thx |
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| 08:48.49 | pd273 | hi there people |
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| 08:48.53 | pd273 | I am new to debian |
| 08:49.01 | pd273 | can somebody paste me their sourcs.list |
| 08:49.10 | knite | Is there a way to make it do initrd by default? I don't see an option in kernel-pkg.conf to do that, and the man page for make-kpkg says that environment variables can be used. Not sure where I would stick those env. vars though? |
| 08:49.15 | SlayerXP | pd273: why? |
| 08:49.17 | pd273 | googe is quiet confusing for me with officia, unofficial and all |
| 08:49.26 | viyyer | pd273, use apt-setup |
| 08:49.39 | pd273 | I have installed sarge and want to update my packages from the internet |
| 08:49.49 | pd273 | viyyer: ok am trying this now |
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| 08:50.36 | stew | pd273: run apt-setup as root |
| 08:50.49 | pd273 | stew: thatnks |
| 08:51.46 | knite | vin`: thankfully, I think I can pass the initrd to make-kpkg kernel_image, and I don't have to go through the build step again. (is that right?) |
| 08:51.57 | pd273 | viyyer: and Stew: thanks |
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| 08:52.33 | juxan | debian-es |
| 08:52.34 | vin` | knite: go through the build step again for what? |
| 08:53.00 | knite | vin`: i had already kicked off make-kpkg and forgot to include --initrd the first time |
| 08:53.40 | knite | vin`: I'm assuming that the initrd step is at the very end (a deb rules specific step) and I won't have to redo the compiling and linking, etc. |
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| 08:55.22 | rafas | -j #debian-it |
| 08:55.51 | vin` | knite: so you stopped the first build? you can also build the initrd seperately with mkinitrd or similar. |
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| 08:57.00 | menko | hi, I added a dpkg entry, how do I change it? |
| 08:57.27 | knite | vin`: the first build has now finished.. i'm trying make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image |
| 08:57.40 | liable | menko: what do you mean? |
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| 08:58.09 | menko | nvm, it's forget |
| 08:58.16 | menko | that is, forget entry |
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| 08:59.53 | bk_ankur | i want to burn rootfs.i386.ext2 to my /dev/hdb6 IDE partition, How can i achieve that..? |
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| 09:01.09 | knite | I'm not sure if it worked... dpkg-deb -c my-kernel.deb --> doesn't show a initrd.img file |
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| 09:03.04 | pd273 | Stew I did the apt-setup now how do I add the security updates line to me sources.list |
| 09:03.38 | Shadowwulf | if i am installing the base system and get a debootstrap error .. cant download coreutils ... what do i do ? |
| 09:03.40 | pd273 | stew: currently my sources.list looks like this deb http://ftp.iitm.ac.in/debian/ stable main |
| 09:04.24 | H3yB0y | hi good morning |
| 09:04.41 | H3yB0y | i have a problem with sound |
| 09:04.55 | H3yB0y | i delete .esd in /tmp |
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| 09:05.08 | H3yB0y | and now can't up audio |
| 09:05.28 | H3yB0y | i try with apt-get install esound |
| 09:05.30 | H3yB0y | but nothing |
| 09:05.39 | H3yB0y | reinstall alsa |
| 09:05.41 | H3yB0y | but nothing |
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| 09:06.47 | H3yB0y | and i try to download esound on site |
| 09:06.54 | H3yB0y | and when i do make |
| 09:07.07 | H3yB0y | do many error with header |
| 09:07.09 | H3yB0y | :( |
| 09:08.32 | _fluffee | Hello, X is giving me fits. IBM Thinkpad 600E, using MS Windows I have clear crisp 1024x768. Using Debian/X/Gnome(?) I get only a muddy 800x600. |
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| 09:08.43 | bucky | H3yB0y: did you run alsaconf ? |
| 09:08.50 | H3yB0y | yes bucky |
| 09:08.53 | H3yB0y | alsaconf |
| 09:08.54 | bucky | and turn up the volume? |
| 09:08.57 | H3yB0y | alsamixer |
| 09:09.02 | H3yB0y | alsactl store |
| 09:09.05 | H3yB0y | anda restore |
| 09:09.09 | H3yB0y | up the volume |
| 09:09.11 | liable | H3yB0y: please, dont use the enter key so much |
| 09:09.18 | H3yB0y | sorry |
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| 09:09.45 | H3yB0y | my problem is here see |
| 09:10.04 | H3yB0y | Sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found |
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| 09:10.22 | H3yB0y | but the bip do |
| 09:10.49 | H3yB0y | only mp3 not work and my volume near clock,if i up,down automaticly |
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| 09:11.35 | Dnumgis | I just upgraded my sid, and now emacs only shows boxes rather than text |
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| 09:11.54 | _fluffee | When I use the applet to change depth/resolution, my choices are only 800x600 & 640x480, no 1024x768 choices are presented. During the instatallation I made choices that _should_ yeild 1024x768. |
| 09:12.11 | Shadowwulf | anybody know of the coreutils issue ? |
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| 09:13.06 | `ns` | _fluffee, if you have any of the live disk distributions you might want to try them, see which one works best, and copy its x config files .... |
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| 09:13.58 | H3yB0y | bucky: |
| 09:14.22 | H3yB0y | sorry, can u help me please?i want kill debian and me... |
| 09:14.57 | _fluffee | ns - I have an old knoppix and an older bitdefender. Trying the Knppix now. Thnak you. |
| 09:15.00 | codenamewilley_ | How do i stop apache from running in start up |
| 09:15.16 | knite | I looked at a stock pre-built kernel-image deb and there's no initrd.img in the files list either. puzzling. |
| 09:15.26 | liable | codenamewilley_: dpkg-reconfigure apache |
| 09:15.46 | liable | knite: its built at install. |
| 09:16.08 | codenamewilley_ | liable:is it ths same for every service? |
| 09:16.16 | liable | codenamewilley_: no |
| 09:16.43 | Shadowwulf | anybody help me with a coreutils base system install problem ? |
| 09:17.06 | knite | liable: ooooh... so you would need mkcramfs at install time? |
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| 09:17.53 | liable | knite: different versions need different packages. i am not to sure about what needs what |
| 09:18.15 | liable | Shadowwulf: hrm, is the box connected to the net? |
| 09:18.24 | knite | liable: ok, thanks |
| 09:18.31 | Shadowwulf | network says it configured correctlu |
| 09:18.34 | Shadowwulf | ly |
| 09:19.57 | liable | Shadowwulf: few options, check the image md5, check cd integrity (option in menu iirc) try again without net, and just install the base off the cd, then install other shits after the first reboot. |
| 09:20.25 | Shadowwulf | so the 180 mb should install to a gui ? |
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| 09:20.40 | liable | Shadowwulf: oh, and if its the etch installer, it may well be 'just broken'.. |
| 09:20.51 | knite | OK, now I want to install my newly built kernel over my previous kernel package. they have the same kernel version and different debian package version. I have to apt-get remove old_one before dpkg -i new_one, correct? |
| 09:20.58 | liable | Shadowwulf: no, cli only, but easy enough to get things going after |
| 09:20.59 | Shadowwulf | 180 mb net install |
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| 09:21.20 | emergo | can anyone give me some pointer howto print with cups, especially from mozilla ? I fin my printer in localhost:631 |
| 09:21.26 | liable | Shadowwulf: yes, but etch or sarge?? |
| 09:21.27 | emergo | but unable to pring |
| 09:21.38 | Shadowwulf | i have no idea ... is there a way to tell ? |
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| 09:21.40 | liable | emergo: can you print a test page? |
| 09:21.58 | liable | Shadowwulf: where exactly did you get it? whats the .iso called? |
| 09:22.14 | emergo | liable: no |
| 09:22.33 | codenamewilley_ | How do i change the hostname when ever i reboot the old name comes back |
| 09:22.39 | kohinoor | i'm newbie , in which file ip address is stored? |
| 09:22.43 | liable | emergo: check cups logs, and good luck trying to make sense of them.. :( |
| 09:22.45 | emergo | liable: thats what concerns me |
| 09:23.01 | liable | codenamewilley_: /msg dpkg hostname |
| 09:23.17 | emergo | liable: I didnt get much of them yet |
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| 09:23.19 | liable | kohinoor: /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 09:23.27 | Shadowwulf | from the debian website ... debian-31r1a-1386-netinst.iso burned to a CD 111,078 KB |
| 09:23.31 | liable | emergo: you can turn up logging |
| 09:23.46 | _fluffee | `ns`- Might you know what file will contain the settings I'm looking to copy re upping resolution? (That, by the way, means that booting Knoppix provided excellent 1024x768. My eyes are happier already.) |
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| 09:23.49 | emergo | liable: in cupsys.conf or something like that |
| 09:24.01 | wols_ | kohinoor: man interfaces |
| 09:24.09 | liable | Shadowwulf: ok, sarge then. first off, try boot option linux26 |
| 09:24.11 | Dnumgis | seems I'm suffering from http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=352811 |
| 09:24.12 | kohinoor | liable : so if i want to change it by editing file then will it take effect immediately? |
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| 09:24.19 | Dnumgis | anyone ever seen anything like that? |
| 09:24.22 | liable | kohinoor: no. |
| 09:24.28 | Shadowwulf | so abort the install and start over ? |
| 09:24.30 | codenamewilley_ | liable:dpkg hostname ? |
| 09:24.31 | liable | !tell kohinoor about interfaces |
| 09:24.43 | liable | !tell codenamewilley_ about hostname |
| 09:25.04 | liable | Shadowwulf: yeah |
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| 09:26.12 | H3yB0y | liable: sorry i have a problem with audio,yesterday i delete in /tmp .esd, and now my audio,when i turn up,turn down automatic (control audio near clock) |
| 09:26.14 | codenamewilley_ | liable:i am sorry i dont get that i tried dpkg hostname but thats not it i guess |
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| 09:26.41 | liable | codenamewilley_: see what dpkg (the bot) just /msg'd you |
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| 09:26.56 | liable | dpkg: what are you? |
| 09:26.56 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 09:27.02 | liable | codenamewilley_: ^^ |
| 09:27.05 | H3yB0y | i reinstall esound,alsa,alsaconf,alsamixer,alsactl store,but nothing not work,i listen only bit when user query me...but music nothing |
| 09:27.13 | emergo | liable: Added device "usb://EPSON/Stylus%20Photo%20RX420, does this make sense ? the % thing I mean |
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| 09:27.38 | liable | emergo: just escaping spaces. |
| 09:27.41 | H3yB0y | i have this error Sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found |
| 09:27.44 | emergo | liable: ok |
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| 09:27.58 | Shadowwulf | so whats the difference between 2.4 and 2.6 ... just newer kernel ? |
| 09:27.59 | `ns` | _fluffee, look in /etc/X11 |
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| 09:28.05 | liable | H3yB0y: did you try rebooting? |
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| 09:28.10 | codenamewilley_ | liable:ohh sorry i missed that msg got it now :) |
| 09:28.13 | H3yB0y | yes liable |
| 09:28.23 | sm|gone | hi, is anyone able to help me with http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=4265 |
| 09:28.33 | H3yB0y | but when load card audio give me a error |
| 09:28.46 | H3yB0y | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:28.53 | `ns` | _fluffee, hopefully they are both using the same xserver , and not one on xfree, and the other on xorg |
| 09:29.35 | emergo | liable: esp-ghostscript ? needed for what ? some conversion thing ? |
| 09:29.51 | liable | H3yB0y: try #debian-gnome on irc.gnome.net |
| 09:30.00 | liable | emergo: no idea. |
| 09:30.18 | H3yB0y | liable: tnx |
| 09:30.20 | _fluffee | `ns` - Thank you, looking now. |
| 09:30.52 | Shadowwulf | liable: coreutils failed again |
| 09:30.53 | `ns` | best of luck _fluffee, 01:30 here, and I need some sleep |
| 09:30.58 | _fluffee | `ns` - Oooh. I dimly recall a schism several years ago. |
| 09:31.01 | liable | H3yB0y: i dont see why deleting that tempory file would cause so much trouble, but.. |
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| 09:31.11 | _fluffee | `ns` - Okay, thank you again, happy dreams. |
| 09:31.35 | H3yB0y | sorrry |
| 09:31.38 | liable | Shadowwulf: is the net connected? have you had a chance to pick a mirror? tried a different one? try without net? |
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| 09:32.30 | keta | provo a farla |
| 09:32.47 | pengol | hi there ... I have a performance issue on a gigabit ethernet lan ... if I run netpipe or any other benchmark for a packet size more then 1500 I got a bad bad bad performance. Any clue? |
| 09:32.48 | H3yB0y | liable: don't connect in that network :/ |
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| 09:32.54 | blondie | keta: English |
| 09:32.54 | H3yB0y | connection time out |
| 09:33.03 | Shadowwulf | i think ill just download the CD version and go from there |
| 09:33.06 | liable | H3yB0y: might be .org (sorry) |
| 09:33.26 | sm|gone | anyone here know much about software raids on debian? |
| 09:33.46 | Shadowwulf | or do you think i can get the 180 mb install to work |
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| 09:33.54 | SlayerXP | sm|gone: just ask your question. |
| 09:34.07 | liable | Shadowwulf: just try it without net, then try cd1 |
| 09:34.13 | H3yB0y | tnx liable |
| 09:34.14 | Shadowwulf | k |
| 09:34.28 | sm|gone | SlayerXP, i posted it on the debian.net forums, it's probably easier to give the link rather than try to explain it here :) - http://forums.debian.net/ |
| 09:34.29 | sm|gone | oops |
| 09:34.45 | sm|gone | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=4265 |
| 09:34.47 | sm|gone | even |
| 09:35.29 | SlayerXP | sm|gone: pass. |
| 09:35.50 | sm|gone | it has to be possible, it's just a raid1 so the drives are identical |
| 09:36.13 | sm|gone | i may try reinstalling grub on the one i want to keep, but it should already work on it |
| 09:38.25 | plbgnr | hello, I use mozilla thunderbird and have account on IMAP mail server. I chose in thunderbird to copy all mails in inbox to local folder and then look at size of this folder... this size is 15MB, but size which shows webmail client (Squirrel Mail) is bigger ...22.32MB ...what can be problem ...I want to make loacal copy of all mails with attachments ...thanks |
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| 09:39.20 | blondie | plbgnr: not sure that's a debian question |
| 09:39.30 | blondie | so you might want to ask on mozilla IRC o.O |
| 09:39.34 | codenamewilley_ | What does the error "VirtualHost station1.st.com:443 ---mixing * port and non * ports with NameVirtual host address is not supported ,proceeding with undefinced results" in Apache2 mean ? |
| 09:39.47 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 09:39.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, qotd96 is <linuxrules> i dont have problems with languaje |
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| 09:40.53 | plbgnr | blondie:ok |
| 09:41.26 | codenamewilley_ | Some1 please help only one error remaining and my head is bursting trying this out : |
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| 09:42.27 | tremor | sm|gone: just found by a google search .. http://kerneltrap.org/node/4677 |
| 09:42.27 | pengol | how do I debug this network issue? |
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| 09:43.51 | liable | sm|gone: try removing the mdadm link in rcS.d?? (stab in the dark) |
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| 09:44.14 | liable | sm|gone: and make sure to have a rescue disk handy :) |
| 09:45.15 | liable | codenamewilley_: try NameVirtualHost *:443?? |
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| 09:54.25 | ID | salut all |
| 09:54.31 | ID | j'aurai besoin d'une aide pour linux |
| 09:54.42 | wols_ | !debian-fr |
| 09:54.43 | dpkg | methinks debian-fr is an association giving you some documentation: http://www.debian-fr.org/ |
| 09:54.51 | wols_ | !fr |
| 09:54.51 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais mais peu ou pas anglais et qui ont besoin d'aide avec Debian peuvent demander sur #debian-fr. People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 09:54.56 | wols_ | that one |
| 09:55.27 | ID | ok thank s |
| 09:55.27 | Ashex | I'm following this tutorial for creating a debian kernel: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html |
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| 09:56.03 | Ashex | But when I'm trying to compile the kernel with make-kpkg -rev, it's not working very well at all... |
| 09:56.17 | Fox | hi |
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| 09:56.33 | wols_ | your error description is not very helpful at all either. can you clarify? |
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| 09:56.56 | Ashex | sorry, I'm going to pastebin the bash |
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| 09:59.18 | idealm | Question: which package contains 'clean' font? |
| 09:59.19 | Generic | hookay |
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| 09:59.27 | Generic | Ashexm here's the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/619638 |
| 09:59.39 | Ashex | wols_: Generic has the pastebin |
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| 10:01.18 | wols_ | Ashex: just run "make-kpkg binary-arch". ignore that stupid rev number (imho) |
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| 10:02.06 | bloosky | How can I check if Appletalk (AF_APPLETALK) is compiled into my kernel? |
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| 10:03.11 | liable | bloosky: grep the config in /boot |
| 10:03.25 | TraceGreen | hello, i want to ask how to compile openssl in windows? |
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| 10:03.44 | liable | erm.. |
| 10:03.50 | Fox | windows ? |
| 10:03.51 | Ashex | wols_: I'm not sure what you mean by binary-arch, what would I use for binary? |
| 10:04.15 | codenamewilley__ | when i put SSLEngine On in my sites ssl config file ( /etc/apache2/sites-available/ssl ) i get a error invalid command SSLEngine |
| 10:04.21 | Ashex | TraceGreen: you're asking how to compile something inside windows in a linux room? |
| 10:05.00 | wols_ | Ashex: nothing. just use the line I pasted.if you want to know more, run "make-kpkg --targets" |
| 10:05.02 | Fox | codenamewilley__: is mod_ssl enabled ? a2enmod ssl |
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| 10:05.21 | Fox | (might not be exactly 'ssl') |
| 10:05.21 | bloosky | liable, found it and it's built in. Thank you |
| 10:05.53 | Ashex | oh, well I'm smart :p |
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| 10:06.01 | MT`AwAy | hello, I was wondering if anyone knew where are the initrd.img script located *before* the generation of initrd.img... I suspect that it may be with the kernel image, can anyone confirm that ? |
| 10:06.09 | Ashex | I looked at the targets help and it didn't make much sense to me :S |
| 10:06.15 | liable | bloosky: your welcome |
| 10:06.22 | codenamewilley__ | Fox:No i guess where/how do i get it |
| 10:06.30 | wols_ | MT`AwAy: it's no "script" |
| 10:06.30 | vin` | Ashex: looked at man make-kpkg yet? |
| 10:06.50 | wols_ | and it's generated by mkinitrd |
| 10:07.03 | MT`AwAy | wols_> Mori:/tmp/tmp2# ls scripts/ -> functions init-bottom init-premount init-top local local-bottom local-premount local-top nfs nfs-bottom nfs-premount nfs-top |
| 10:07.16 | Ashex | vin`: not yet |
| 10:07.27 | Fox | codenamewilley__: mod_ssl comes with apache2, you just need to enable it: type 'a2enmod' |
| 10:07.27 | Ashex | debian lacks a lot of dev tools stock |
| 10:07.31 | Ashex | it's kinda frustrating |
| 10:07.42 | wols_ | Ashex: apt-get install build-essential |
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| 10:08.45 | codenamewilley__ | Fox:it asked me for a module name and i typed mod_ssl it says module does not exist |
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| 10:09.10 | liable | Ashex: debian is a binary distro. therefore a lot of dev tools arent needed. :) |
| 10:09.12 | MT`AwAy | wols_> in fact I have a bug with scripts/local - I fixed it on my local computer, but I was wondering where to submit it |
| 10:09.23 | wols_ | !bts |
| 10:09.23 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 10:09.37 | liable | MT`AwAy: scripts/local? |
| 10:09.49 | MT`AwAy | wols_> yeah, but which package this file belongs to ? |
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| 10:10.22 | liable | MT`AwAy: debian doesnt have rc-local if thats what you are talking about |
| 10:10.36 | MT`AwAy | liable> I'm speaking about the initrd.img scripts |
| 10:10.44 | liable | oh |
| 10:11.09 | liable | MT`AwAy: bug for the kernel image then i guess. |
| 10:11.12 | wols_ | dpkg -S <filename> |
| 10:11.12 | dpkg | Dingos ate my <filename>! |
| 10:11.20 | firepol | Hi there, how should I configure /etc/fstab to mount a FTP share? |
| 10:11.22 | liable | haha |
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| 10:11.42 | wols_ | MT`AwAy: "initrd.img scripts" are nonsensical |
| 10:11.46 | Ashex | how long does it usually take to compile a kernel? |
| 10:11.51 | Ashex | like on a 1.6Ghz processor |
| 10:11.59 | MT`AwAy | wols_> dpkg -S on the initrd.img says "not found" |
| 10:12.04 | wols_ | I assue you use kernel-package to create a kernel with initrd.img. and that creation has some bug |
| 10:12.07 | pengol | My network interface doesn't like packets bigger than 1500 any clue? |
| 10:12.09 | MT`AwAy | the initrd.img file is generated while installing the kernel |
| 10:12.09 | wols_ | right? |
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| 10:13.01 | wols_ | and what is the bug? |
| 10:13.08 | MT`AwAy | wols_> I use a 2.6 kernel image provided by debian. The initrd.img is created without problem, however it won't boot. I extacted the initrd file with gzip & cpio, edited the file "scripts/local" and recreated it, then restarted and it worked |
| 10:13.50 | wols_ | that doesn't say what the error is, just where and what you did to remedy it |
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| 10:14.35 | wols_ | from what it looks like it's a kernel-package aerror since that creates those scripts when building and packaging the kernel |
| 10:14.39 | MT`AwAy | well, I added a check in the "scripts/local" script : if the ROOT device isn't in /dev, wait a while to let udev create it |
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| 10:15.20 | liable | why wouldnt the root /dev be there on a running machine? |
| 10:15.21 | MT`AwAy | in fact I installed a debian on an usb hard disk for a friend, and initrd was trying to mount the usb disk too fast - before udev detects it |
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| 10:16.02 | liable | nm, brainfart.. |
| 10:16.24 | Fox | codenamewilley__: it's not 'mod_ssl' but 'ssl' |
| 10:16.39 | MT`AwAy | I fixed that, but I think it may help other people who are having similar problem |
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| 10:19.18 | TipTap | hey guys, why am i unable to print screen and paste it into gimp? |
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| 10:19.54 | r_marvin | hello |
| 10:19.54 | Fox | codenamewille: it's not 'mod_ssl' but 'ssl' |
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| 10:20.25 | petemc | TipTap: what are you using to do the screen grab? |
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| 10:20.41 | TipTap | my PrtSc button on the laptop |
| 10:20.43 | codenamewilley | Fox:I tried that too but then apache was not starting after i did that |
| 10:20.53 | petemc | !screenshot |
| 10:20.54 | dpkg | i heard screenshot is 'import -window root screenshot.jpg' (requires imagemagick), or The Gimp's 'acquire -> screenshot' feature. The package scrot does a nice job too, command line, date & size shot at and png format. or man xwd |
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| 10:21.51 | Fox | codenamewilley: then your apache2 SSL conf is broken |
| 10:22.01 | liable | codenamewilley: what do you mean by no starting? |
| 10:22.08 | liable | not.. |
| 10:22.09 | TipTap | oh ok let me check those on google thanks |
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| 10:22.39 | possie | i'm trying to enable X11 forwarding on my debian box, i installed xbase-clients so i have the xauth program, then modified sshd_config and enabled X11forwarding yes and restarted ssh, but when i ssh -X user@machine i don't get a $DISPLAY env variable, what might be missing? |
| 10:22.41 | codenamewilley | and error.logs says illegal attempt to reinitialise SSl for server |
| 10:23.08 | codenamewilley | same thing even after a reboot |
| 10:23.14 | liable | TipTap: http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Make_a_Screenshot_with_PrintScreen_Key |
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| 10:23.50 | liable | codenamewilley: paste your httpd conf |
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| 10:24.02 | liable | codenamewilley: or better, ask in #apache |
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| 10:25.19 | codenamewilley | liable:httpd.conf file was'nt edited at all i configured the ssl conf |
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| 10:25.39 | dondelelcaro | possie: does the machine that you're ssh'ing from have DISPLAY set? |
| 10:25.49 | fluxdude | I've got a system that doesn't switch itself off, running 2.4 kernel, it says ..."proc unmounted","The system will be halted immediately.","Master Resource Control: runlevel 0 has been reached" and then just hangs there. |
| 10:26.07 | fluxdude | has anybody seen this on any linux system before or know what's causing it? |
| 10:26.28 | ub1k | c |
| 10:26.41 | kohinoor | liable : how can i make kernel module loaded at boot up? |
| 10:26.57 | liable | kohinoor: add it to /etc/modules |
| 10:27.34 | kohinoor | liable: thnx |
| 10:27.35 | possie | dondelelcaro, ah! thanks! :-) |
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| 10:29.55 | possie | dondelelcaro, do you happen to know a way to take along the $DISPLAY variable if i use 'su -' or 'sudo' ? |
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| 10:30.27 | TipTap | thanks liable |
| 10:30.38 | Fox | possie: tried su -m ? |
| 10:31.12 | liable | TipTap: np, get it to work? |
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| 10:31.59 | tarzeau | liable: oh thanks for the print screen thing! |
| 10:32.26 | liable | tarzeau: thank Gentoo! :) |
| 10:32.28 | codenamewilley | It seems that there is no error with the ssl config file till SSLEngine on |
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| 10:32.41 | possie | Fox, wonderfull! :-) |
| 10:32.45 | tarzeau | liable: and how do i tell it to run that command? |
| 10:32.49 | isilzha | can someone please tell me a good command line browser? |
| 10:32.58 | liable | tarzeau: xbindkeys |
| 10:33.03 | tarzeau | ahhh thanks |
| 10:33.09 | tarzeau | isilzha: links2 |
| 10:33.17 | tarzeau | liable: seen it, great! what i always wanted |
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| 10:33.26 | tarzeau | liable: i don't have f13... |
| 10:33.26 | isilzha | tarzeau: thank you |
| 10:33.33 | tarzeau | ah wait, got it |
| 10:34.04 | IceTox | Bye ya'll.. See ya later |
| 10:34.04 | codenamewilley | but when i uncomment SSLCertifateFile /etc/apache2/ssl/apache.pem i get the error ilegal sttempt to re initialise SSl ffor server |
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| 10:34.12 | liable | for some reason, every time i go to use it, i find that xbindkeys has been removedd.. :( |
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| 10:34.53 | emergo | how can I test if a debian install is using alsa or some other sound config ? |
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| 10:35.26 | liable | emergo: if you see modules from lsmod that start with snd_ then its alsa |
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| 10:36.10 | liable | duh |
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| 10:37.10 | emergo | liable: thank you, snd_ac97codec and some other lines with snd_ here |
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| 10:38.17 | tombs | please, ho to change passw on irc? |
| 10:38.42 | Fox | tombs: look at freenodes FAQ |
| 10:38.56 | Eclipser | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:38.57 | tombs | Fox, thanx |
| 10:39.00 | wols_ | tombs: /msg nickserv hepp |
| 10:39.09 | tombs | wow...thanx all |
| 10:39.11 | tombs | :) |
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| 10:41.58 | codenamewilley | Fox:SSLEnfine on works but and asks for SSLCertificateFile...........but when i havethe line SSLCertificateFile /etc/apache2/ssl/apache.pem it gives me a error in logs saysing Illegal attempt to re install SSL for server |
| 10:42.08 | codenamewilley | any idea on which part the eroor is |
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| 10:42.34 | codenamewilley | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:42.47 | Fox | codenamewilley: did you google a bit with the exact error message ? |
| 10:42.48 | [GNU] | hello all, i have a question re mdadm.. I have set up a raid1 with one disk and now want to add another disk to the raid1 set. using mdadm --add just addes the disk as a spare disk, now to activate the second disk and sync it?? |
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| 10:46.00 | liable | [GNU]: mdadm --create?? man mdadm, or the multitude of tutes on google? |
| 10:46.15 | Poison_is_the_cu | hello world |
| 10:46.36 | liable | or -C? |
| 10:46.56 | liable | err.. -A. |
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| 10:47.03 | [GNU] | liable: google doesnt refere to any site starting a raid with one disk |
| 10:47.14 | [GNU] | liable: and i created the raid set with one |
| 10:47.21 | [GNU] | -A ... will read/chk that |
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| 10:47.55 | slowburn | hi, should "apt-get upgrade" grab the new kernel packages that came out today? doesn't seem to on my system |
| 10:48.26 | [GNU] | liable: ~# mdadm -A /dev/md0 |
| 10:48.26 | [GNU] | mdadm: /dev/md0 has been started with 1 drive. |
| 10:48.50 | [GNU] | liable: and the spare disk is gone |
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| 10:49.06 | codenamewilley | fuk i am a moron |
| 10:49.11 | codenamewilley | bha |
| 10:49.33 | codenamewilley | Fox liable thanks for the help |
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| 10:50.18 | liable | [GNU]: i would think mdadm -A /dev/md0 /dev/sdb1?? |
| 10:50.47 | ubushine | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:51.00 | ubushine | oops |
| 10:51.17 | codenamewilley | I was dumb to place he SSL directives out side the ssl config file ie after </VirtualHost> heeh |
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| 10:52.36 | [GNU] | liable: that added one drive and one spare but doesnt activate the spare |
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| 10:55.28 | slowburn | ah, i think i must have installed kernel-image-2.6.8-2 instead of kernel-image-2.6 |
| 10:55.46 | liable | [GNU]: check your mdadm.conf |
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| 10:56.57 | [GNU] | liable: it says 2 drives 0 spares and both partitions as devices |
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| 11:00.13 | liable | [GNU]: specify both devices in the last command. |
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| 11:01.53 | [GNU] | liable: as i created the raidset i didnt have missing specified may that be a problem? |
| 11:02.41 | [GNU] | liable: even giving both partitions for -A does leave on as spare |
| 11:03.24 | emergo | Im using alsa and running asmixer I get unable to grab /deb/mixer. why is this ? |
| 11:03.27 | liable | [GNU]: my bad, mdadm /dev/md0 --manage --add /dev/foo |
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| 11:04.00 | sm|gone | ooh |
| 11:04.04 | jm_ | emergo: try loading snd_mixer_oss or simply use ALSA mixers |
| 11:04.07 | sm|gone | someone who knows about software raids :) |
| 11:04.16 | sm|gone | can you take a look at this please and let me know if it's possible - http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=4265 |
| 11:04.25 | emergo | jm_: which are alsa mixers ? |
| 11:04.28 | dvlrpg | How I do to run ifdown etho auto when to shutdown my pc |
| 11:04.47 | kingspwned | dvlrpg, say what? |
| 11:04.50 | [GNU] | liable: wouldnt that add /dev/foo as another spare disk? |
| 11:05.01 | jm_ | emergo: alsamixer for example |
| 11:05.08 | emergo | jm_: :-) |
| 11:05.12 | dvlrpg | i'm sorry |
| 11:05.20 | dvlrpg | i'm brazilian |
| 11:05.28 | kingspwned | no need to be sorry, i just didnt understand your question |
| 11:05.39 | jm_ | dvir;Debian does that automatically |
| 11:06.00 | dvlrpg | ifdown eth0 automatic when to shutdown my pc |
| 11:06.13 | jm_ | dvlrpg: Debian does that automatically |
| 11:06.33 | kingspwned | yes |
| 11:06.55 | dvlrpg | i use virtua, and kurumin, i'sorry again |
| 11:07.10 | liable | sm|gone: tried changing the partion from raid auto detect to 83? |
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| 11:07.28 | dvlrpg | i guess that it isn't configurate for it |
| 11:08.25 | dvlrpg | i think in to locate it in /etc/rc.d/rc6.d/ |
| 11:08.46 | secure | I want to configure the network security to avoid breaking attempts I am suffering |
| 11:08.48 | dvlrpg | or create a script |
| 11:09.07 | secure | I am trying to configure hosts.allow and hosts.deny with no success, any help? |
| 11:09.13 | [GNU] | liable: is it save to recreate a raid with an existing partition and not loosing the data on that partition? |
| 11:09.21 | emergo | jm_: whats pcm ? (talking alsa ) |
| 11:10.03 | liable | [GNU]: if you add a partition to the array, then the data that was on it gets overwritten. |
| 11:10.11 | liable | emergo: your sound device |
| 11:10.46 | jm_ | emergo: http://alsa.opensrc.org/AlsaGlossary |
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| 11:11.07 | emergo | jm_: ill look there thank you |
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| 11:12.17 | [GNU] | liable: ok, so i will backup the data and recreate a raid1 with both disks... starting with one disk and copy the data and adding the second disk doesnt seem to be a migration path |
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| 11:13.35 | Doppler | Hi everybody, i'm actually using Etch with 2.6.15.1 kernel. When i (try to) upgrade to 2.6.16 kernel, ip_table module isn't find anymore |
| 11:13.49 | Doppler | do you know why? |
| 11:14.46 | liable | [GNU]: erm, the last command i gave you should add the second disk. |
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| 11:15.46 | [GNU] | liable: it did, but the disk is still a spare and it doesnt get synced to the first |
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| 11:16.00 | [GNU] | liable: md0 : active raid1 hdd2[0] hdc2[1](S) |
| 11:16.10 | secure | I am having problems with the webchat sorry |
| 11:16.38 | blondie | I thought this was irc, not some "webchat" |
| 11:16.51 | secure | I have configured my hosts.deny with ALL: ALL and hosts.allow with ALL: .auna.net |
| 11:17.12 | secure | blondie: my university has cut irc ports, so I must connect via some webchat server |
| 11:17.29 | secure | after configuring hosts.deny and hosts.allow I get this message |
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| 11:18.12 | zophyx_ | well... i guess i'll have to use gentoo if i want a good distro.... |
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| 11:18.59 | secure | warning /etc/hosts.allow, line 13: can't verify hostname: getaddrinfo(....) |
| 11:19.05 | rdd169 | Hi everyone. How do I change library search paths. I use to edit the ldconfig file? |
| 11:19.14 | weissi_ | zophyx_, yes, use gentoo if you want a good distro, only use debian if you want the best *g* |
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| 11:19.24 | secure | and then, refused connect from ... |
| 11:19.58 | secure | anyone can help me configuring the network security adequately? |
| 11:19.59 | zophyx_ | weissi_: hah, you made a great joke |
| 11:20.24 | kingspwned | secure: man hosts.allow and .deny |
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| 11:20.49 | secure | kingspwned: already did thanks for that already known info |
| 11:21.17 | goldenaura | Hi there. Is the ETCH security updates already working? |
| 11:21.59 | weissi_ | zophyx_, you speak in #debian, but the only thing you say (I heard) is that you have to use gentoo because it's better... |
| 11:23.21 | jm_ | rdd169: man ld.so |
| 11:23.56 | jm_ | secure: isn't it selfexplanatory? |
| 11:24.39 | secure | jm: it's not that easy, my laptop has no fix address (adsl) soit has no fix network address |
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| 11:25.04 | secure | jm: I am having problems for accessing with my laptop, but I want to prevent other machines from accessing |
| 11:25.06 | jm_ | secure: that doesn't matter - it's trying to lookup IP/hostname and it fails |
| 11:25.10 | frosh68 | hi all! |
| 11:25.14 | goldenaura | because i am going to build a little home server, so i really dont need sarge (for stability), and wanted to try ETCH, and i saw that there is a debian security team for Etch, but i am not sure if it is working |
| 11:25.35 | secure | jm_: trying to look-up IP/hostname? sorry? |
| 11:25.43 | jm_ | secure: yes, man getaddrinfo |
| 11:25.50 | kingspwned | goldenaura, you need secure, but unstable is alright? exciting |
| 11:25.57 | secure | ah ok I'll look at this |
| 11:26.27 | secure | jm_: no man entry |
| 11:26.41 | jm_ | secure: well doesn't matter, I told you what fails |
| 11:26.55 | frosh68 | nedd a suggestion: any lightweight graphical user admin tool for sarge? |
| 11:27.14 | secure | jm_: yes, I noticed this from the log message, is it something I configured wrong in the hosts.allow file? |
| 11:27.24 | frosh68 | i know of kuser, anything else? |
| 11:27.31 | goldenaura | kingspwned: i have a production server with Sarge, despite there are a lot of "testing" packages like Zope, Awstats, Netatalk, etc... and yes it is very stable. But for my home LAN server i wanted to try etch, to see how it goes. |
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| 11:27.39 | menko | frosh68: the one in gnome-system-tools |
| 11:27.50 | jm_ | secure: no, it doesn't look that way - try to look it up manually |
| 11:28.12 | frosh68 | menko: thanx |
| 11:28.27 | secure | jm_: might be that my laptop get its address from dynamic ip server? |
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| 11:28.31 | goldenaura | kingspwned: and i mean the "testing" not "unstable" |
| 11:28.36 | jm_ | secure: unlikely |
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| 11:29.32 | goldenaura | kingspwned: in your opinion is Etch "very" unstable? |
| 11:29.39 | secure | jm_: is it the proper way to protect the system from unwanted network outsiders this way of is there a better one? |
| 11:29.44 | menko | jm_: I managed to get sudo working with xapps by removing a line in /etc/sudoers telling it to reset most environment variables. I also got 'su -' without intending to by exporting the display in addition to the exporting of the xauthority in the guide. |
| 11:30.09 | jm_ | secure: this is pretty basic and only some applications benefit from it |
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| 11:30.30 | secure | jm_: what do you suggest me instead? |
| 11:30.37 | jm_ | secure: firewall |
| 11:30.39 | secure | jm_: let me xplain |
| 11:30.52 | secure | jm_: firewall, which one? |
| 11:30.59 | jm_ | secure: iptables, duh |
| 11:31.24 | secure | jm_: let me explain, I have set up a svn server, but checking the logs I discovered several breaking attempts |
| 11:31.52 | secure | jm_: you know, someone trying to find some user password pair, trying to log in repetitively |
| 11:32.09 | secure | jm_: iptables is the option? |
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| 11:33.05 | secure | jm_: or hosts.deny will already handle with this problem? |
| 11:33.12 | roxy_ | secure: if you allow outsider to use your svn, then this will always happen, nothing you can do about it appart from setting a good password policy |
| 11:33.35 | roxy_ | secure: are they all coming from same host? |
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| 11:33.52 | frosh68 | roxy: what is a good password policy? |
| 11:33.59 | secure | roxy_: I only allow svn ssh, I don0t allow unknown users, I ask them for their public rsa key first |
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| 11:34.25 | denisbr | Good Morning |
| 11:34.30 | secure | roxy_: sorry, I wanted to say svn ssh |
| 11:34.33 | frosh68 | morning |
| 11:34.43 | secure | oh, the plus sign doesn't show up |
| 11:35.25 | secure | my problem is that the log shows unknown people trying to break into the system :) |
| 11:35.41 | frosh68 | secure: i have around 400 of such attempts per day |
| 11:35.56 | roxy_ | secure: if you use svn+ssh that mean you know your user. If they got fix IP, then use firewall to allow in only those IP. |
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| 11:36.02 | frosh68 | secure: dont have a solution, though |
| 11:36.03 | weissi | secure, thats normal, try fail2ban |
| 11:36.13 | secure | frosh68: but having 400 a day doesn't make it a good thing :) |
| 11:36.37 | secure | ah, fail2ban, will try |
| 11:36.47 | frosh68 | weissi: what does it do? |
| 11:37.06 | secure | frosh68: apt-cache search fail2ban :) |
| 11:37.15 | roxy_ | secure: but I think the first thing is to be sure svnserve is running as svn user and not root. |
| 11:37.22 | weissi | Fail2Ban scans log files like /var/log/pwdfail or /var/log/apache/error_log and bans IP that makes too many password failures. It updates firewall rules to reject the IP address. |
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| 11:38.08 | secure | roxy: don't worry, I already configured my svn properly, it can only be accessed through ssh though |
| 11:38.22 | weissi | fail2ban is already in sid (etch???) and is able to scan directly /var/log/auth.log. The deb package of their site works in sarge without problems |
| 11:38.40 | secure | does fail 2ban know about metalog? |
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| 11:40.18 | weissi | secure, what do you mean by metalog? |
| 11:40.37 | secure | weissi: metalog is the modern log, only 1 file for all logs |
| 11:40.44 | roxy_ | secure: with iptable you can use protocol, ip and port to select who you allow in. That would make the trick |
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| 11:41.22 | secure | roxy_: ok, I will try iptables, but I will have problems with my dymanic IP laptop for sure |
| 11:41.33 | weissi | secure, don't know. You can define you own rules (regexp) for logfile formats |
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| 11:41.52 | secure | apt tell weissi about metalog |
| 11:42.36 | weissi | secure, ah thnx, thats cool! |
| 11:42.54 | secure | weissi: is there some program to help me configure iptables easily? |
| 11:42.59 | weissi | secure, fail2ban also uses iptables. you don't have problems with iptables an dynamic ips |
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| 11:43.29 | weissi | secure, you don't "configure" iptables. you make netfilter(kernel firewall system) rules with iptables |
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| 11:43.56 | Rudirogdt | hi all |
| 11:44.00 | secure | weissi: but there is some file I must write for iptables sure |
| 11:44.20 | secure | weissi: and I would like some validation for this file :) |
| 11:44.26 | weissi | secure, no, you enter commands like "iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.0.2 -j DROP" |
| 11:44.44 | secure | weissi: ah ok, ok, and it is stored isn't it? |
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| 11:45.11 | weissi | secure, yes it's stored in the kernel's firewall system and after reboot, it's lost |
| 11:45.19 | Ruede | hi |
| 11:45.31 | weissi | secure, therefore you normally code firewall scripts or use fw-systems like shorewall |
| 11:45.36 | secure | weissi: it's lost after reboot? then what? I want it permanent!! |
| 11:45.56 | secure | weissi: ahhhh that's what I wanted, shorewall :) |
| 11:46.07 | weissi | secure, then you've got to do, that you fw-script/fw-system is executed on system-startup |
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| 11:46.46 | secure | I have work, I must read shorewall manuals!! many thanks!! |
| 11:46.51 | secure | bye guys |
| 11:46.54 | weissi | secure, ok. you can even adjust fail2ban do use shorewall and not iptables directly. Thats better if you use shorewall because you have not 2 programs who modify kernel's firewall system directly |
| 11:47.06 | weissi | secure, have fun and good luck :-) |
| 11:47.19 | secure | I am about to have a much more secure system |
| 11:47.32 | Ruede | libpam.so.0 => not found <<<----- how to fix that ? |
| 11:47.47 | frosh68 | weissi: is there a backport for fail2ban somewhere? |
| 11:47.50 | weissi | secure, definetly if you compare no firewall to firewall :-)) (and perhaps even fail2ban) |
| 11:47.55 | frosh68 | i mean for sarge |
| 11:48.10 | secure | bye and many thanks! |
| 11:48.43 | frosh68 | i cannot find fail2ban with my sources.list/apt-cache... |
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| 11:50.25 | weissi | frosh68, no, I don't think. I'm pretty sure the one from testing/unstable works directly, because it's python |
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| 11:51.24 | frosh68 | weissi: ahh, ok. so i would need to add a testing source to my sources.list |
| 11:51.46 | frosh68 | wiessi: and probably do some pinning (?? never done that) |
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| 11:52.51 | weissi | frosh68, yep |
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| 11:53.18 | frosh68 | ok, already learned a lot, but still more questions left: |
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| 11:54.22 | frosh68 | can i use vpn to tunnel all SMB traffic through SSH? |
| 11:54.28 | goldenaura | kingspwned: thanks |
| 11:54.39 | weissi | frosh68, ssh or vpn? |
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| 11:55.24 | frosh68 | well, what i mean: the only access to our Samba server from outside the university is SSH (cannot change this) |
| 11:55.31 | weissi | frosh68, I think tunneling SMB by ssh would not work (very much work), but with a vpn, this is no problem (e.g. openvpn) |
| 11:55.48 | frosh68 | SMB packets are not routed |
| 11:55.58 | weissi | frosh68, oouch, then you could tunnel a vpn throu ssh *g* |
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| 11:56.10 | frosh68 | so i figured, i could use vpn to ... exactly |
| 11:56.26 | si0ux | hi |
| 11:56.51 | frosh68 | weissi: will this be a pain in the ass, or can a medium experienced admin like me do it? |
| 11:57.27 | weissi | frosh68, I think it's not too dificult, you could also tunnel a ppp connection through ssh |
| 11:58.09 | frosh68 | weissi: would that be easier? |
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| 11:59.00 | weissi | frosh68, hmm, I think ppp through ssh, but openvpn through ssh should be VERY easy if you know openvpn |
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| 11:59.21 | frosh68 | ok, will delve into openvpn then |
| 11:59.22 | weissi | frosh68, pppd is easier to setup than openvpn, I think |
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| 11:59.47 | frosh68 | weissi: thanx a lot! |
| 11:59.51 | weissi | frosh68, and ppp should produce less overhead because it's not going to be encrypted twice (ssh+openvpn) |
| 11:59.55 | weissi | frosh68, np |
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| 12:04.34 | JediMaster | hi guys, I've just upgraded to linux-image-2.6-k7 which has taken me from 2.6.6 to 2.6.16-1-k7 and it appears to boot correctly for about a minute then it says Alert! /dev/root does not exist. dropping to a shell, and gives me a busybox ash shell |
| 12:04.47 | JediMaster | think it's a kernel option in lilo? |
| 12:04.57 | JediMaster | (I let it set things up itself) |
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| 12:06.39 | Xteven | Hi, debian released an advisory to upgrade the kernel-2.4.27 package because of vulnerabilities |
| 12:07.02 | Xteven | does anyone know if these vulnerabilities also afflict >=2.4.31 ? |
| 12:07.35 | Eulex | Xteven, most probably do. |
| 12:07.40 | jm_ | read through relevant CVE-s to find out |
| 12:07.55 | Xteven | the CVE entries don't mention 2.4, only 2.6 |
| 12:08.00 | Xteven | thats why I'm puzzled |
| 12:08.07 | Xteven | what changed in the debian packages ? |
| 12:08.16 | jm_ | really? that is pretty strange |
| 12:08.44 | Xteven | upgrading probably doesn't hurt |
| 12:08.51 | Xteven | but it's 70 machines... |
| 12:08.57 | Xteven | and it's friday :) |
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| 12:12.01 | JediMaster | what's the key to get into lilo's menu without it booting straight away? |
| 12:12.17 | Xteven | ctrl or tab or so ? |
| 12:12.20 | Xteven | shift ? |
| 12:12.24 | JediMaster | yes, I prefer grub, but need it to boot first =) |
| 12:12.32 | Xteven | probably tab |
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| 12:14.20 | JediMaster | hmm, didn't let me in |
| 12:14.45 | Xteven | hmm actually |
| 12:14.51 | Xteven | does lilo have a menu at all ? |
| 12:15.42 | weissi | Xteven, Shift, never version of lilo have a menu |
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| 12:16.39 | jm_ | Xteven: it can have it, depending on which map file is used |
| 12:16.54 | kingspwned | anyone run into debian recognizing a usb keyboard, but the keyboard "refuses address"? |
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| 12:19.00 | JediMaster | yeah it's shift |
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| 12:19.33 | Xteven | ah nice |
| 12:19.51 | JediMaster | hmm, can you append boot options in the lilo menu as with grub? |
| 12:20.08 | Xteven | just add them after the keyword I believe |
| 12:20.22 | jm_ | doesn't it allow you to get to command line? I think it does, but it's been a while since I tried it |
| 12:20.27 | Xteven | lilo: linux init=/bin/sh and such |
| 12:20.36 | zimnyx | How can i check if my laptop has bluetooth? |
| 12:20.44 | Xteven | I better shut up since I haven't used lilo in millenia :) |
| 12:20.47 | JediMaster | so linux root=/dev/hdc3 for example |
| 12:21.01 | Xteven | zimnyx : check the specs ? |
| 12:21.08 | Xteven | JediMaster : yes |
| 12:21.18 | jm_ | zimnyx: open its mouth, check for presence of blue colour! |
| 12:21.32 | JediMaster | ok well that was easy |
| 12:21.33 | Jhair | which advantages should lilo have over grub? |
| 12:21.37 | JediMaster | none |
| 12:21.37 | JediMaster | =) |
| 12:21.46 | JediMaster | grub is much more flexible |
| 12:22.09 | Xteven | grub is much more^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H flexible |
| 12:22.13 | Xteven | fixed that for ya :) |
| 12:22.19 | JediMaster | well it's booting now, for someone reason the kernel upgrade using linux-image-2.6-k7 didn't append my root device |
| 12:22.26 | Jhair | You are right, I was sick of doing lilo -v everytime I compiled a new kernel :) |
| 12:23.02 | Xteven | if you have the chance, I advise to upgrade to grub |
| 12:23.18 | JediMaster | already am |
| 12:23.43 | JediMaster | it's only because this machine was setup 4 years ago just before I converted to grub that it's not on there |
| 12:23.52 | zimnyx | Xteven: i stole it, i have no specs. |
| 12:24.27 | Xteven | zimnyx : in that case, lookup the laptop brand and type on google |
| 12:24.52 | Xteven | what laptop is it ? |
| 12:25.03 | kingspwned | hahah |
| 12:25.08 | kingspwned | "in that case..." - fantastic |
| 12:25.11 | weissi | zimnyx, *g* |
| 12:25.19 | zimnyx | jm_: coming back to my yesturday locale problems (on Etch). i edited /etc/environment and set LC_ALL=pl_PL.UTF-8 and all started working OK. Even if there are no files in /usr/lib/locale/ (only locale-archive) exists there. |
| 12:25.43 | zimnyx | Xteven: scpecs say: optional bluetooth :) |
| 12:25.51 | Xteven | dell ? |
| 12:26.01 | zimnyx | Xteven: can i check it with dmesg? |
| 12:26.04 | zimnyx | or in /proc ? |
| 12:26.12 | Xteven | maybe with lspci |
| 12:26.17 | zimnyx | Xteven: Compaq nx8220 |
| 12:26.20 | JediMaster | puuuurfect, uninstalled lilo, installed grub, and update-grub has created a perfect menu.lst with the correct root option on each one, just rebooting now =) |
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| 12:26.37 | Xteven | zimnyx : maybe try booting knoppix and see if it finds bluetooth |
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| 12:26.59 | JediMaster | and it's booted, yay =) |
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| 12:27.35 | jm_ | zimnyx: that sounds like you didn't generate the right locales |
| 12:28.02 | weissi | zimnyx, lscpi -V |
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| 12:28.55 | zimnyx | jm_: i used dpkg-reconfigure locales. i select pl_PL.UTF-8 and press OK. |
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| 12:30.27 | jm_ | zimnyx: yeah, but what matters is the one you used previously |
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| 12:31.32 | zimnyx | jm_: terminal, browser and other apps in gnome, couldn't recognise locales. |
| 12:31.40 | zimnyx | now they see itf pl_PL |
| 12:32.38 | zimnyx | i got bluetooth kernel module loaded, so i think i got it:) |
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| 12:34.18 | Xteven | zimnyx : check hcitool and stuff |
| 12:34.23 | isilzha | i have a problem with aptitude. on one server it doesn't find 5 packages (404 error) and on another server it doesn't even want to upgrade these... |
| 12:34.41 | Xteven | isilzha : have you tried apt-get update ? |
| 12:34.58 | isilzha | the first server is one of the official mirrors (ftp.hk.debian.org) |
| 12:35.10 | isilzha | yes i always do that after changing the server |
| 12:35.29 | jm_ | zimnyx: yes, that sounds like it wasn't generated properly |
| 12:36.00 | Xteven | isilzha : then the server you're using probably has an out of date mirror :/ |
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| 12:37.17 | isilzha | Xteven: yes seems so. but why should an official one have these lacks? and why does another not even recognise these packages as ones to be upgraded? the other one (local one) just tells me that there is nothing to be done... |
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| 12:38.06 | isilzha | Xsteven: my main question about this is: how do i know the server i use _is_ relyable? |
| 12:38.12 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 12:38.12 | dpkg | i heard popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 12:38.15 | Xteven | maybe the server is in the middle of generating its package list ? no idea |
| 12:38.35 | Xteven | isilzha : hmm, I don't think there is a way to tell |
| 12:38.45 | Xteven | isilzha : what you could do, is configure multiple servers |
| 12:39.07 | isilzha | how? it only takes one of the ones on the list doesn't it? |
| 12:39.17 | SimonRaven | 'one of these lacks' is horrid grammar; 'reliable' |
| 12:40.04 | Xteven | isilzha : I've never worked with aptitude, sorry |
| 12:40.14 | Xteven | isilzha : I usually just edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 12:40.39 | isilzha | SimonRaven: grammar? maybe "lacks" is not too brilliant here but apart from that? |
| 12:40.51 | zimnyx | Xteven: my cellphone see my box in bluetooth menu:) but it says can't connect. |
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| 12:41.02 | Xteven | zimnyx : ah :) |
| 12:41.08 | Xteven | zimnyx : then you have bluetooth |
| 12:41.09 | zimnyx | must configure it |
| 12:41.14 | Xteven | zimnyx : indeed |
| 12:41.23 | Xteven | zimnyx : probably has something to do with a pin number |
| 12:41.30 | isilzha | Xsteven: yes i do it the same way. but still it's only one server which is used in the end no? |
| 12:41.31 | Xteven | check the config files |
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| 12:41.55 | Xteven | isilzha : apt will gather all package lists and select the latest packages from all of them |
| 12:42.14 | Xteven | isilzha : that decreases the chance that you won't be able to download a certain package |
| 12:42.18 | isilzha | Xteven: ok good to know. thank you |
| 12:42.41 | elirips | hello. if I absolutly want to have kde 3.5, would you rather recommend me installing a backport, or doing the switch to Etch? |
| 12:42.57 | BadMan | arg... |
| 12:43.28 | ma3x | is there a keylogger for linux? |
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| 12:44.47 | Xteven | elirips : I think it's a matter of taste |
| 12:44.59 | Fraze | Hello.. I want to move my files (system+home+others..) to a new partition i've created (that has more space, since the old one has no space), how can i do it? |
| 12:45.07 | Fraze | I'm using sarge |
| 12:45.10 | Xteven | elirips : if you don't mind bugs from time to time and it's just 1 desktop computer, I'd recommend etch |
| 12:45.49 | useruser | Fraze: it's not a trivial operation |
| 12:46.03 | Xteven | ma3x : you mean a keyboard keylogger ? or a pty logger ? |
| 12:46.20 | elirips | Xteven, it is my laptop, the laptop i'm working with every day, but I must also say after I have installed what I need I usually don't change anything else then updating.. |
| 12:46.20 | Fraze | useruser: Ok.. but how to ? |
| 12:46.34 | Xteven | Fraze : use find and cpio |
| 12:46.39 | useruser | Fraze: i'd copy the files using tar, then edit /etc/fstab to mount the new partition instead of the old one at the same mount point, update the boot loader, cross my fingers and reboot |
| 12:46.39 | Xteven | thats the way I do it :) |
| 12:46.57 | BadMan | I have x running, kde starts fine, but I still have a bout a 1 inch black unused area around my entire screen.. the only mode line is as follows: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2227 |
| 12:47.28 | ma3x | Xteven, keyboard logger |
| 12:47.48 | useruser | Fraze: if you just want to move your data (home dir etc) then that'll be easier than moving your / |
| 12:48.02 | Fraze | useruser: That's also good |
| 12:48.06 | Fraze | useruser: How to do that? |
| 12:48.20 | Xteven | ma3x : you will need a kernel patch then. I'm not sure where you should look for that. I would probably mess around in the i8042 code |
| 12:48.21 | Fraze | useruser: The important is the home dir and where the program stored |
| 12:48.21 | BadMan | when I am in console I can get full use of it, of course with windres I got full use of the screen but with 2 distors(ubuntu and debian sarge) I cannot seem to get the full screen in 800x600.. |
| 12:48.49 | Fraze | useruser: (Note it is the same disc) |
| 12:49.05 | useruser | Fraze: i'd copy the content of /home to the new partition (using something like tar which should preserve permissions and so on, dunno if nautilus is good enough there) |
| 12:49.16 | BadMan | when I go into the BIOS setting and test the dsiplay it fully supports 800x600x16 (as well as 24/32) but I cannot seem to get the driver right. |
| 12:49.20 | useruser | Fraze: then i'd edit /etc/fstab to mount /dev/newpartition at /home |
| 12:49.40 | Fraze | useruser: Ok.. and what about the program files? |
| 12:50.00 | useruser | Fraze: then reboot and if all works well (check the partition is mounted using something like df) delete the old /home by umounting the new one first (be careful here!) |
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| 12:50.09 | pop_korn | http://www.orkspace.net/owned/ |
| 12:50.10 | pop_korn | :) |
| 12:50.25 | useruser | Fraze: for the program files, follow my first set of instructions. the main difference is you have to worry about the bootloader, which complicates things a bit |
| 12:50.26 | _MiTo_ | hi all, is there a bootsplash patch for kernel 2.6.16 |
| 12:50.39 | Fraze | useruser: Oh.. |
| 12:50.42 | Xteven | Fraze : maybe look at http://www.brandonhutchinson.com/Moving_Linux_to_a_new_hard_disk.html |
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| 12:51.02 | Fraze | Xteven: Ok.. I'll check it up.. |
| 12:51.08 | Fraze | Xteven & useruser: thanks :) |
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| 12:52.44 | BadMan | By chance some1 know where I need to look for this problem google returns stuff but nothing specific about 800x600(btw its deb sarge and x 4.x..) |
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| 12:54.28 | Xteven | np |
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| 12:54.38 | Xteven | BadMan : is it an lcd screen ? |
| 12:54.48 | BadMan | Xteven: yes |
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| 12:55.33 | takisd | can't seem to enable DMA on a PATA drive under debian kernel 2.6.15 - any ideas on what modules i need compiled into the kernel - libata(?) |
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| 12:55.50 | Xteven | you need to set the resolution exactly because an LCD screen won't just interpolate between pixels to make up |
| 12:56.00 | xirjs | nvidia sources does not compile using kernel 2.6.16.2 ... any hints? |
| 12:56.15 | BadMan | Xteven: How do I go about that? |
| 12:56.22 | Xteven | takisd : you need to compile in your IDE chipset driver |
| 12:56.34 | Xteven | there's a 2.6.16.2 ?? |
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| 12:56.49 | avonej | .2?? |
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| 12:57.04 | takisd | Xteven: yeah... all i have is intel ich7 can't seem to work out which module |
| 12:57.04 | Xteven | BadMan : unfortunately, I don't have a lot of experience with it :( |
| 12:57.11 | BadMan | ok thanks Xteven |
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| 12:57.26 | Xteven | takisd : you can search in make menuconfig by pressing '/' |
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| 12:57.32 | Xteven | and then typing ich7 for example |
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| 12:57.40 | takisd | Xteven: cool didn't know that... thanks |
| 12:57.48 | Xteven | in case of doubt, select everything you think could be appropriate :) |
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| 12:58.05 | mike-m | how can I list the files from a .deb files, especially where they would be installed (./usr/ (...)) |
| 12:58.13 | kingspwned | how is that, these days, just ramming the kernel full of everything? |
| 12:58.17 | azeem | mike-m: dpkg -c <deb-file> |
| 12:58.26 | mike-m | omg, thank you |
| 12:58.32 | takisd | Xteven: thanks... here goes for another (lost count now) recompile |
| 12:58.47 | Xteven | kingspwned : memory is usually no longer a problem, so why not ? |
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| 12:58.59 | kingspwned | Xteven, living it up! |
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| 13:04.05 | _fluffee | BadMan - Are you working on a laptop, this system with an LCD screen? |
| 13:04.22 | BadMan | _fluffee: yeah ist an 760XL |
| 13:04.37 | BadMan | thinkpad |
| 13:05.00 | goldenaura | i have downloaded the debian netinstall cd for PowerPC, trying to install it in an old imacg3, but it doesnt boot from the cd directly... anyone here with experience on installing debian on this machines? |
| 13:05.00 | _fluffee | BadMan- I am setting up a 600E as we speak. Have you visted thinkwiki? |
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| 13:05.43 | BadMan | know it hasn't popped up in any google searches with references to the 760xl |
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| 13:06.03 | kamil | hey |
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| 13:06.12 | kamil | are there any polish? |
| 13:06.44 | DECnet | ja na przyklad |
| 13:06.56 | kamil | moge z Toba na priv? |
| 13:07.03 | _fluffee | BadMan- I am far from expert so I'll not offer direct advice. However. both http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#changecoldepth and thinkwiki.org have proved valuable to me. As was someone here, can't recall name. |
| 13:07.12 | kamil | bo mam pytanko.. debian.. nowy jestem w tym srodowisku |
| 13:07.52 | DECnet | kamil: wejdz na #tynczasowy |
| 13:07.56 | DECnet | pogadamy po polsku |
| 13:08.00 | kamil | ok |
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| 13:09.30 | BadMan | _fluffee: Well I am geting correct color depth etc.. its that it isnt recognizing the only modeline i have in my xf86config-4 of 800x600 it simply refuses to use the full screen and leaves me a black box around everything and runs at 640x480(unusable in mystandards..) |
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| 13:11.42 | BadMan | of course a "virtual would end the problems of not being able to get to apply/ok buttons in dialogs etc in kde.. but I know it fully supports 800x600 from the bios display test.. |
| 13:11.48 | zimnyx | Xteven: What is purpose of that file storing PIN ? |
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| 13:12.19 | Xteven | zimnyx : its like a password for your cellphone |
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| 13:12.39 | Xteven | without it, anyone would be able to download your phonebook or pictures stored on it |
| 13:12.40 | zimnyx | Xteven: yeah, docs say it |
| 13:12.44 | _fluffee | Madman- I had a similar issue but with the band on two sides rather than four. Manually editing the 'Modes' line to add a higher resolution removed the band and enabled full use of screen real estate. If you attempt to change resolution from within X what choices are you presented with? |
| 13:12.47 | zimnyx | but it's weird .. |
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| 13:19.47 | BadMan | _fluffee: if I run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and go therough allt he motions it detect my video card using advanced I input the available vsync and hsync rates and then the only mode line i have selected(knowing it supports it from bios) is 800x600 using the maximum of 16bpp I will reconfigure it and 1024x768 as well |
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| 13:20.36 | ma3x | what was the name of that proggie, to show you the code of every key you press? |
| 13:20.44 | jm_ | xev |
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| 13:20.56 | ma3x | thanks |
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| 13:22.07 | ma3x | how do I run process in the background? |
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| 13:22.33 | Xteven | you're not doing this very stealthy |
| 13:22.39 | Xteven | program & |
| 13:22.59 | ma3x | stealthy :p |
| 13:23.10 | BadMan | hmm.. is there a line startx -- -mode 800x600 -depth 16? still getting th 640x480... |
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| 13:26.24 | BadMan | Im dang neart certain if i had xfree 3.3.6 that I wouldnt be having this issue... since support for tridnet video cards is all but gone in 4.x.x |
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| 13:26.54 | BadMan | but debian sarge doesnt give me a choise on the xserver to install ;/ |
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| 13:27.34 | jm_ | it is? man trident says trident - Trident video driver |
| 13:28.03 | BadMan | jm_: it's there but it just doesnt have "support" like nvidia voodo etc.. |
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| 13:28.21 | jm_ | BadMan: it lists several chipsets |
| 13:28.29 | jm_ | or chips if you want |
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| 13:28.55 | BadMan | yeah .. I dont know ... 8( |
| 13:29.01 | _fluffee | -Badman I never had joy via the install helpers, had to edit manually. Don't know if that was a Debian thing or an IBM thing. Anyhoo, 'Depth' and 'Mode' are seperate entries (lines) both children of 'Display'. I think an '@NN' can be added to 'Modes' where N is integer? |
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| 13:32.04 | BadMan | _fluffee: if you edit the xf86config-4 config manually, isn't there something you have to run or it rewrite it? |
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| 13:34.29 | BadMan | _fluffee: nevermind found them at the top of the xf86config-4 file |
| 13:34.57 | noppo | people, when is the next distribution release of debian being planned? |
| 13:35.08 | wols_ | !wir |
| 13:35.08 | dpkg | wir is, like, When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 13:35.11 | Xteven | october 2023 |
| 13:35.35 | noppo | ok, thx |
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| 13:35.56 | aidan | how can I disable the damn mailcheck when I log into a shell? |
| 13:36.12 | aidan | damn mailcheck because I've looked everywhere |
| 13:36.15 | Xteven | its built into bash I believe |
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| 13:36.54 | aidan | surely there's a way to turn it off |
| 13:36.59 | BadMan | _fluffee: can you paste your xf86config-4 to http://channels.debian.net/paste/ ? |
| 13:37.00 | aidan | there's a way to turn everything off! |
| 13:37.13 | Xteven | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:37.13 | Xteven | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:37.17 | Xteven | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:37.30 | Xteven | sorry for the paste |
| 13:37.42 | aidan | Xteven: yep, but that's not what I'm after, I want to kill the onlogin one, not the oncommand one |
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| 13:37.49 | jm_ | aidan: PAM |
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| 13:38.07 | Xteven | oh |
| 13:38.43 | jm_ | so you have clearly not looked everywhere |
| 13:38.51 | aidan | session optional pam_mail.so |
| 13:38.55 | aidan | _yay_ |
| 13:38.57 | _fluffee | BadMan- I'll try. Gimme a mo' while I convince the 600E to see the network. |
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| 13:39.21 | aidan | jm_: thanks :) |
| 13:39.23 | BadMan | _fluffee: lol ok, that has been the easiest part getting mine to run the wifi... lol |
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| 13:41.04 | n0rus | I have install openssl by apt-get install openssl. I have some header files now in /home/user1/openssl-0.9.8a/include/openssl I also have a program with the following line: #include <openssl/rand.h> How do I add the /home/user/openssl-0.9.8a/include to the dirs where to look after headers? |
| 13:41.08 | n0rus | installed |
| 13:41.28 | aidan | Is there a way to make tar print out a progress-meter? |
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| 13:42.07 | kingspwned | n0rus, does -i/that/directory work? |
| 13:42.11 | kingspwned | i meant -I |
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| 13:42.27 | BadMan | what line do I use to "shutdown" the xserver and change my init level? |
| 13:42.39 | BadMan | err run |
| 13:42.55 | kingspwned | you could always do "init <level>" ithink |
| 13:43.10 | tuxedup | hello everyone, sorry for this newbie questions but, i was looking in synaptic at updates and had a look to see if there was kernel update and saw that it said 2.5.15-8 was the newsest kernel, althoguh the package name fr it is 2 |
| 13:43.23 | znx | kingspwned: use of telinit is prefered i believe |
| 13:43.29 | znx | telinit <level> |
| 13:43.49 | n0rus | kingspwned: I don't have to configure. Just to make. Your suggestion didn't work resulting make: -I: No usch file or direcectory |
| 13:43.55 | jm_ | BadMan: Debian does not use separate runlevel to start a DM |
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| 13:44.53 | kingspwned | n0rus, well, then you have to edit the makefile, dont you |
| 13:45.30 | BadMan | so where do I find what means what? Usage: telinit 0123456SsQqAaBbCcUu |
| 13:45.44 | jm_ | read README.runlevels.gz |
| 13:45.51 | BadMan | thanks |
| 13:45.54 | jm_ | and consult /etc/inittab |
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| 13:46.31 | n0rus | kingspwned: well, the makefile contains only list of cpp-files that has to be compiled. The headers are mentioned in the src-files |
| 13:46.38 | n0rus | So how to add where to look for headers? |
| 13:46.40 | Thanatermesis | what is the aproximately date for the next release of "etch stable" ? |
| 13:46.45 | n0rus | without editing the cpp-files |
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| 13:51.11 | n0rus | How do I define the compiler where to look for header files? I have openssl-headers in /home/user1/openssl-0.9.8.a/include |
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| 13:51.35 | _fluffee | BadMan- Okay, I made lappy go on to the network, but now I've for gotten where xf86config-4 is. Could you remind me and I'll post it post-haste. |
| 13:51.46 | jm_ | man XF86Config-4 |
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| 13:54.47 | DevilChaos | hi folks |
| 13:54.47 | kingspwned | n0rus, the -I is supposed to be passed to the compiler. i would assume the makefile references the compiler in some way |
| 13:55.00 | BadMan | _fluffee: jsut a sec |
| 13:55.11 | DevilChaos | need a hand with setting up apt with amd 64 kernel please |
| 13:55.19 | Eulex | _fluffee, /etc/X11 |
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| 13:55.22 | DevilChaos | i have errors on fetching packages |
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| 13:55.37 | DevilChaos | ill print them just now hold on ........ |
| 13:55.43 | Eulex | !paste |
| 13:55.44 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 13:55.51 | DevilChaos | not pasting |
| 13:55.58 | BadMan | _fluffee: this what locate brings up for me on sarge /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 13:56.07 | DevilChaos | three lines of txt just |
| 13:56.18 | DevilChaos | or prefered to go to flood? |
| 13:56.24 | _fluffee | jm_ & Eulex: TY! Got it. |
| 13:57.25 | _fluffee | BadMan- pasted as http://channels/debian.net/2228 Don't forget that's from a 600E, so likely won't be ideal for you. Hopefully something though? |
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| 13:57.56 | roundyz | something dead wierd has just happened to my laptop..i try to ctrl+alt+f1 to get a term and it won't let me |
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| 13:58.30 | BadMan | _fluffee: link not right |
| 13:58.51 | jm_ | BadMan: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2228 |
| 13:59.04 | BadMan | that looks right hehe |
| 13:59.24 | Eulex | BadMan, what graphics card have you got? |
| 13:59.54 | BadMan | Eulex: p.o.s. trident in IBM Thinkpad 760XL... 1MB hehe |
| 14:00.01 | DECnet | I've got a guy here who don't speak English and has a problem with fglrx. |
| 14:00.15 | DECnet | How is the configuration tool started? |
| 14:00.19 | DECnet | ater installation? |
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| 14:00.27 | Eulex | BadMan, ok, then that thing probably won't work. it's set up to use a neomagic graphics card. |
| 14:00.38 | jm_ | DECnet: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/ |
| 14:01.31 | BadMan | Eulex: yeah hoping it would give me some idea.. the only thing I have found on goolde is successful setups using xfree 3.3.6...... |
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| 14:02.12 | Eulex | !laptop |
| 14:02.12 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org , and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 14:02.19 | Eulex | BadMan, checked those pages? |
| 14:02.41 | BadMan | yeah thats where I got the ide.. but couldnt get woody isntalled.. bad discs... |
| 14:02.49 | BadMan | ide/idea |
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| 14:03.06 | BadMan | sarge netinst was painless |
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| 14:04.23 | aidan | jm_: do I need to restart pam for this to take effect? |
| 14:04.44 | aidan | (I know pam itself is not a service, but is there something to be restarted?) |
| 14:05.01 | DevilChaos | errors typed in flood |
| 14:05.07 | jm_ | aidan: there's no such thing as PAM running, you most likely have to restart the app that's responsible for handling your logins (ssh, login, *dm, ...) |
| 14:05.28 | pipeline | aidan: You shouldn't have to restart anything to make PAM changes effective... ? |
| 14:05.42 | ma3x | anyone using mencoder? |
| 14:05.44 | ma3x | with x264? |
| 14:05.58 | DevilChaos | eulex: ? |
| 14:06.03 | pengol | hi there ... I have a performance issue on a gigabit ethernet lan ... if I run netpipe or any other benchmark (even ping) for a packet size more then 1500 I got a bad bad bad performance. Any clue? |
| 14:06.08 | aidan | thanks! |
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| 14:06.21 | pipeline | pengol: Maybe you just don't have jumbo frames support |
| 14:06.29 | jm_ | pengol: does driver support jumbo frames? |
| 14:06.47 | SlayerXP | pengol: you bought cheap hardware thinking that an 11 quid gigabit ethernet card must be as good as 100 quid one really? |
| 14:07.01 | DevilChaos | abrotman: im now installing amd64 kernel and have a few problems with apt config can you help please? |
| 14:07.02 | pengol | pipeline: jm_: I do have it but eve if I enable it I don't get any better .. |
| 14:07.09 | Esp1 | hi, i am trying to compile php 4.3.2, but i need bzip2-dev, but i cant seem to find it with apt-get...any ideas? |
| 14:07.20 | abrotman | DevilChaos: maybe |
| 14:07.20 | pipeline | pengol: Every piece of equipment has to have jumbo frames support. The NIC, the switch, the NIC on the other end. |
| 14:07.21 | DevilChaos | ive pasted errors in flood |
| 14:07.28 | Eulex | DevilChaos, ah, sorry, I wasn't there. could you pastebin it? that's probably the best way of doing it. |
| 14:07.33 | DevilChaos | ill paste them again |
| 14:07.38 | jm_ | Esp1: you didn't look very hard, right? |
| 14:07.45 | DevilChaos | cant have to type by hand |
| 14:08.16 | DevilChaos | im on my laptop at the moment and installing on my other machine |
| 14:08.29 | pipeline | DevilChaos: Serial console :P |
| 14:08.31 | pengol | pipeline: they all have jumbo frames support but maybe Iwasn't clear: I have bad bad bad bad bad bad performance (I should have some kernle error somewhere!!!) |
| 14:08.41 | Esp1 | Ive looked around.....even tried some rpm's with no luck....might be a line in sources i am missing |
| 14:08.51 | SlayerXP | pengol: you probably bought cheap crap hardware. |
| 14:08.57 | jm_ | apt-cache search bzip2 dev |
| 14:09.02 | Eulex | BadMan, seems like people have made it work with the equivalent of the vesa driver in xfree86 4.3 |
| 14:09.08 | Esp1 | thanx |
| 14:09.10 | pipeline | pengol: Heh, if it works fine until packet size reaches a certain point, jumbo frames support is the most obvious culprit :\ |
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| 14:09.17 | DevilChaos | pipeline:? |
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| 14:09.20 | pipeline | pengol: That, or a very, very cheap switch. Does performance get better witha direct link? |
| 14:09.26 | pengol | SlayerXP: even if crap (Gigabyte is not that crap) they should work .... |
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| 14:09.31 | pipeline | DevilChaos: Install with serial console, then you can copy and paste errors :) |
| 14:09.31 | infernix | ohh the horror. ever since my upgrade to xorg 6.9.0 my linux box actually completely freezes when i leave it alone. it feels very much like windows crap now. |
| 14:09.39 | SlayerXP | pengol: wrong. think SiS and Realtek |
| 14:09.39 | BadMan | I will try with vesa again.. but I thihk it goofed earlier.. VESA support 16bpp? |
| 14:09.40 | pengol | pipeline: HP procurve |
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| 14:09.56 | pipeline | pengol: Oh, you didn't say it was on-board ethernet. Well, there's your problem. Buy a real NIC, shit. |
| 14:10.06 | abrotman | oh .. on board isn't always an issue |
| 14:10.10 | pengol | SlayerXP: Gigabyte have rtl |
| 14:10.14 | pipeline | abrotman: It is when it's some cheapo ricer board :P |
| 14:10.20 | abrotman | infernix: turn off the screensaver or dpms ? |
| 14:10.29 | abrotman | pipeline: eww .. realtek! |
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| 14:10.40 | escalade_ | hi all |
| 14:10.48 | pipeline | abrotman, pengol : The lesson to be learned here is that one should not purchase "performance enthusiast" motherboards on pain of death. |
| 14:10.54 | infernix | i have no sceensaver. you think DPMS might be it? but if it is, shouldnt my screen be black if it freezes (which it isnt)? |
| 14:10.56 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 14:10.56 | dpkg | -dmwaters- {global notice} Hi all! One of our staffer used brackets in a kline, and this caused the servers to crash. We're working on an immediate fix for this problem, and hopefully will have something as soon as possible. I'm very sorry for the interuptions that this has caused, and thank you all for your patience. |
| 14:11.07 | abrotman | pipeline: yay windows drivers! |
| 14:11.19 | Eulex | infernix, not if it hangs while it tries to turn off the screen |
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| 14:11.38 | infernix | and dpms is (un)set in xorg.conf? |
| 14:11.41 | abrotman | infernix: what video card? |
| 14:11.43 | abrotman | !dpms |
| 14:11.43 | dpkg | it has been said that dpms is know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option "DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section). |
| 14:11.55 | infernix | AT freekin I |
| 14:12.16 | pengol | pipeline: I have errors somewhere ... 1027 -> 114.62 and Mbps 1533 -> 0.79 Mbps cannot be only a performance degradation, there should have to be some errors |
| 14:12.19 | infernix | ill give DPMS a shot. |
| 14:12.41 | pipeline | pengol: I'm still going to chalk it up to crap hardware. |
| 14:12.50 | pipeline | pengol: It's just the easiest (and most probable) explanation. |
| 14:12.51 | jm_ | infernix: can you ping it when that happens? |
| 14:13.09 | DevilChaos | abrotman: iget the same error with that url |
| 14:13.15 | infernix | no; i have acpid to do a shutdown -r when i push the power button and it doesnt do this even. |
| 14:13.31 | jm_ | then it's probably your kernel that goes poo |
| 14:13.35 | infernix | syslog shows it froze at 0400 |
| 14:13.48 | infernix | well if thats the case its the b0rked ATI crap |
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| 14:14.11 | infernix | <-- accepting donations for NVIDIA hardware :P |
| 14:14.14 | DevilChaos | pengol what motherboard are you using? |
| 14:14.17 | _fluffee | BadMan- Based on old, half-remembered personal experince with the 760 and http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Trident_Cyber9385 , I want to ask: Have you set for dual (internal & external) display? This has cost me hours in past. |
| 14:14.19 | kuhwallskee | in debian how can I set which version of java I want to use? |
| 14:14.24 | pengol | DevilChaos: Gigabyte |
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| 14:14.42 | wols_ | pipeline: most mobos have a intel or nvidia nic. usually they don't have realtek nics at all. What pengol most probably means with "rtl" is the PHY, which doesn't matter at all |
| 14:15.00 | escalade_ | i -apt-get firefox and i get 1.0.x why not the 1.5? |
| 14:15.13 | wols_ | escalade_: you using stable? |
| 14:15.16 | pipeline | wols_: hah. Find me a gigabyte motherboard with Intel on-board. |
| 14:15.22 | escalade_ | yes |
| 14:15.23 | pipeline | wols_: And nvidia NICs are trash. |
| 14:15.34 | infernix | i do recall upgrading to the latest ATI drivers together with xorg 6.9.0. so thats probably it then. |
| 14:15.40 | wols_ | pipeline: anyone with an intel chipset :P |
| 14:15.48 | pengol | pipeline: I have same behaviour when one of the two nics is a Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5702X Gigabit Ethernet |
| 14:15.52 | escalade_ | firefox 1.5 not yet stable? |
| 14:16.03 | abrotman | DevilChaos: paste the error |
| 14:16.11 | abrotman | infernix: how about you buy real hardware? |
| 14:16.15 | abrotman | infernix: what ATI card? |
| 14:16.16 | wols_ | escalade_: stable is stable. NOTHING changes there. sarge will never ever get firefox 1.5 |
| 14:16.24 | infernix | abrotman: how about you give me cash for that? :) |
| 14:16.33 | abrotman | infernix: because nvidia is a pile of shit |
| 14:16.51 | infernix | abrotman: name me real hardware that also allows playing games. |
| 14:16.51 | escalade_ | wols_ sounds complicated, whats the right way to use the up-date-software? |
| 14:18.16 | fugit | escalade: if you want 1.5 check backports or download from firefox |
| 14:18.16 | escalade_ | up-to-date* |
| 14:18.16 | abrotman | infernix: PS2 .. have a nice day |
| 14:18.17 | infernix | well thats just choice sir:) |
| 14:18.17 | escalade_ | fugit: ok thats an option |
| 14:18.18 | infernix | and i mentioned 'also'. not 'only'. |
| 14:18.18 | centrx | escalade_, backports are the least disruptive way |
| 14:18.18 | wols_ | fugit: don't give bad advice. one doesn't download stuff directly from mozilla.org for debian |
| 14:18.18 | abrotman | infernix: depends on the games you want to play .. i can play the games in debian on my laptop with an intel card |
| 14:18.19 | infernix | not any present-day fancy 3d stuff im sure. tetrinet? |
| 14:18.19 | centrx | escalade_, there isn't really much new with 1.5 anyway so it's not a big deal |
| 14:18.19 | jm_ | yeah I bet TORCS runs awesome on that crap |
| 14:18.19 | abrotman | infernix: never tried it |
| 14:18.28 | abrotman | jm_: it runs fine on intel .. |
| 14:18.29 | abrotman | other than the game sucking |
| 14:18.33 | BadMan | well with vesa up my whole screen is in use... but its black with blue "cursors" all over it randomly.. no x mouse or anything.... |
| 14:18.34 | w00p | i have a intelgraphics i810, with dri, but in the tuxracer and quake2 i have 1 fps. i'm using sid |
| 14:18.35 | fugit | wols_: didn't think it was bad advices, just an option. |
| 14:18.46 | jm_ | abrotman: yeah I can imagine the frame rate with 15 cars arround you ;) |
| 14:18.55 | pipeline | w00p: That's not really that abnormal. The i810 is really, really, really slow :\ |
| 14:19.01 | abrotman | jm_: if they game didn't suck .. i'd try it again and tell you |
| 14:19.15 | w00p | pipeline, but in win works good |
| 14:19.19 | vin` | abrotman: which chip? i915? |
| 14:19.24 | abrotman | w00p: you don't have dri |
| 14:19.30 | abrotman | vin`: 830M .. iirc anyways |
| 14:19.38 | wols_ | windows uses directx, linux opengl |
| 14:19.39 | pipeline | w00p: my i830 worked fine in windows and runs incredibly slowly in debian :\ |
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| 14:19.56 | infernix | i'm talking about graphical intense games here, and if there is a real alternative to nvidia or ati, by all means let me know. |
| 14:20.09 | infernix | i will go buy their stock :) |
| 14:20.10 | w00p | :( |
| 14:20.12 | abrotman | infernix: what ATI card do you have? |
| 14:20.17 | Eulex | I think I've got an i810e in a crappy old compaq I've still got around somewhere... |
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| 14:20.25 | infernix | x800 pro. but the drivers are the real problem. |
| 14:20.34 | w00p | pipeline, abrotman have i810 and works good |
| 14:20.41 | wols_ | infernix: tell that ati, not us |
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| 14:20.57 | wols_ | and no, ati s NOT an alternative to nvidia |
| 14:21.04 | abrotman | every freaking GL game i've tried runs just fine .. at least the ones in debian .. i'm not a big gamer so i don't run around buying crap like UT2020 and crap like that |
| 14:21.05 | wols_ | at least not under linux |
| 14:21.19 | abrotman | infernix: which drivers are you using?> |
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| 14:21.36 | vin` | abrotman: same here with i915, works well with stock xorg. |
| 14:21.51 | abrotman | vin`: i think they're all a bunch of whiny babies! :) |
| 14:22.03 | _fluffee | BadMan- makes me think wrong driver or very wrong mode. At what depth/BPP are yuo trying 800x600? |
| 14:22.08 | vin` | abrotman: yeah! |
| 14:22.21 | infernix | well us whining babies dont play 5 year old games :) |
| 14:22.23 | abrotman | i don't even know a graphically intensive game to try .. |
| 14:22.28 | infernix | exactly. |
| 14:22.31 | infernix | :) |
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| 14:22.47 | abrotman | infernix: what is a five year old game? .. last i knew .. the games in debian are updated more often than that |
| 14:22.56 | abrotman | infernix: i meant a closed source one .. |
| 14:22.58 | wols_ | are there any graphically intensive ones for linux? |
| 14:23.03 | fugit | abrotman: tuxracer of course |
| 14:23.18 | wols_ | abrotman: enemy territory. Q3A based, should fit the bill |
| 14:23.21 | abrotman | it's not called tuxracer anymore |
| 14:23.27 | abrotman | wols_: open source? |
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| 14:23.41 | wols_ | Q3A is open now yes. GPLed |
| 14:23.46 | wols_ | dunno about ET |
| 14:23.46 | fugit | abrotman: didn't notice it said dummy transition :-P |
| 14:23.47 | BadMan | _fluffee: at 16... as I said I went throught he bios and tested the display and it fully supports the 16 @ 800x600... |
| 14:24.36 | abrotman | maybe i should have one of the whiners buy me Q3A :) |
| 14:24.36 | BadMan | _fluffee: going back to searching for xsync and vsync it's possible I have the wrong ones for this particuliar laptop |
| 14:24.37 | DevilChaos | ok i have severe problems now |
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| 14:24.41 | disposable | :wq |
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| 14:24.45 | pengol | is there a way to debug this network issue? |
| 14:24.47 | BadMan | er hsync and vsync |
| 14:24.53 | _fluffee | BadMan- And you're not set to use internal & external displays at same time? On a 600 that would be <blue>FN+F7 |
| 14:24.55 | nkuttler | crap. john didn't catch a password==username. |
| 14:25.02 | escalade_ | for succesful install of debian how many cds i need? 1 or first 3 |
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| 14:25.08 | abrotman | !d-i escalade_ |
| 14:25.08 | dpkg | escalade_, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 14:25.11 | BadMan | _fluffee: nah I checked that already |
| 14:25.46 | BadMan | I have a 14" monitor I can hook up and try it out i guess |
| 14:26.05 | DevilChaos | abrotman : please could you advise me what to do apt through dselect is telling me some things arent availible what do i do here should i have more in my apt/sources list? |
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| 14:26.23 | abrotman | DevilChaos: like what? |
| 14:26.26 | DevilChaos | ive chosen testing release |
| 14:26.33 | DevilChaos | yeah good answer |
| 14:26.37 | _fluffee | Badman- Okay. Umm... You know what helped me great deal was to boot a knoppix CD, used the boot args to force my desired mode, then I looked at the resultant X config file. Maybe for you it might work too? |
| 14:26.40 | DevilChaos | not sure |
| 14:26.53 | [-ffw-]Itchy | can anyone maybe help me, my debian machine with inet is not workin, although on my win and suse linux systems it is working, it tells me eth0 transmit timed out |
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| 14:27.57 | DevilChaos | im going to debian.org see if theres help there bbfn |
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| 14:28.11 | BadMan | tried a knoppix (while it still had winders on it) couldnt get it to boot but the ubuntu(5.0.4) one booted and instaleld but I had saem problems with screen... |
| 14:28.38 | BadMan | keep in mind this thing don't support bootingf rom cd-rom either hehe |
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| 14:29.13 | Thanatermesis | what is the aproximately date for the next release of "etch stable" ? |
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| 14:29.25 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 14:29.25 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/01/msg00001.html |
| 14:29.28 | _fluffee | Badman- I'm running out of ideas. Oh, I see the 'no boot from CD' bit now. Poopy. Now I'm _really_ out of ideas I'm afraid. |
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| 14:30.47 | Eulex | umh... they really think they'll be able to pump out a new stable in 1.5 year? |
| 14:30.53 | BadMan | _fluffee: yeah I have some boot disks etc that I used tog et debian on here (from windows was easy, installed SBM) but once I got ubuntu on it(wasnt happy with it jsut rial stuff) |
| 14:31.02 | abrotman | Eulex: they've got until the end of this year |
| 14:31.49 | DevilChaos | abrotman: should i just be using the 32bit kernel till 64 bit packages and the like get sorted out properly ? |
| 14:32.11 | abrotman | possibly |
| 14:32.20 | abrotman | DevilChaos: since you still haven't shown me the error .. i'm not sure |
| 14:32.31 | Eulex | abrotman, yes, which is about 1.5 year after sarge got released |
| 14:32.40 | abrotman | Eulex: yes .. i know .. i can count too :) |
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| 14:32.49 | DevilChaos | not much of an error just says they arent availible |
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| 14:33.10 | DevilChaos | python 2.3 |
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| 14:33.14 | DevilChaos | for instance |
| 14:33.24 | abrotman | DevilChaos: apt-get install python |
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| 14:35.22 | abrotman | !moo |
| 14:35.22 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 14:35.46 | jnco | lol |
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| 14:36.01 | jnco | lolol |
| 14:36.03 | jnco | whats moo |
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| 14:36.20 | jnco | !moo |
| 14:36.20 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 14:37.36 | hoazial | is ACPI essential? must it be configured for a kernel? |
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| 14:37.53 | livingtm | hoazial, you running on battery power? |
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| 14:38.11 | hoazial | livingtm: no, my a desktop. |
| 14:38.16 | livingtm | hoazial, I just installed acpi on my laptop and now i twice the battery life out of it |
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| 14:38.30 | livingtm | hoazial, it does all the CPU clock scaling, monitor dimming, etc |
| 14:38.52 | livingtm | hoazial, probably dont need it then. |
| 14:39.12 | hoazial | livingtm: it is good for laptop, but not necessary for desktop. |
| 14:39.23 | livingtm | hoazial, exactly |
| 14:39.34 | abrotman | hoazial: no |
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| 14:39.44 | livingtm | hoazial, although its not incredibly difficult to setup, so if your bored some day.. :-) |
| 14:39.53 | abrotman | it's not required even for a laptop |
| 14:40.02 | hoazial | abrotman: no what? |
| 14:40.18 | keescook | question that dpkg doesn't seem to know: where is the new sendmail? the security bug is closed, but 8.13.6 isn't on even the primary server yet. what's happening? |
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| 14:40.43 | jm_ | keescook: DSA 1015-1 |
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| 14:41.16 | hoazial | livingtm: what about APM, is it essential for desktop? |
| 14:41.22 | jm_ | note that sid doesn't have security updates, they're regular uploads |
| 14:41.29 | pengol | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:41.34 | keescook | jm_: yes, I read that. where is _unstable_'s ? |
| 14:41.46 | jm_ | keescook: /msg dpkg unstable security |
| 14:42.04 | keescook | I read that too. I'm trying to understand what's taking so long for the upload |
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| 14:42.49 | jm_ | sendmail-bin_8.13.6-1_i386.deb right there |
| 14:43.17 | keescook | http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/sendmail/sendmail_8.13.6-1_all.deb is 404 |
| 14:43.17 | livingtm | hoazial, my understanding is the APM and ACPI do the same thing, but ACPI is newer |
| 14:43.18 | keescook | where should I be looking? |
| 14:43.21 | keescook | (there isn't a URL in the bug report) |
| 14:43.22 | mishmash | I'm trying to setup an e-mail server using the Workaround.org Howto. Only i'm having a problem after the courier setup. I want to telnet to localhost with port 110 for testing |
| 14:43.33 | mishmash | but i get a Connection refused error |
| 14:43.48 | livingtm | hoazial, none of it is essential, but it improves power consumption |
| 14:43.58 | jm_ | incoming ... |
| 14:44.29 | jnco | anyone use vmware |
| 14:44.37 | jnco | its being wiggity wack with my friend debian |
| 14:44.38 | fugit | mishmash: netstat -nap | grep 110 |
| 14:44.40 | mishmash | Does anybody have a clue what i'm doing wrong? Courier is running... |
| 14:44.48 | keescook | jm_: ah, thank you. http://incoming.debian.org/ |
| 14:44.53 | tarzeau | jnco: works fine here |
| 14:44.58 | mishmash | Fugit: Nothing... |
| 14:45.13 | jnco | works fine at my house too |
| 14:45.22 | jnco | but i get this common error other people are getting to.. (im at work) |
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| 14:45.33 | hoazial | livingtm: the feature that runs screensaver after the machine is idle for a certain time, is that acpi or apm? |
| 14:45.35 | jnco | (WW) VMWARE(0): Failed to set up write-combining range |
| 14:45.40 | jnco | when i try to startx |
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| 14:46.24 | fugit | mishmash: means nothing is listening on 110 |
| 14:46.30 | Thanatermesis | what happens to dbus of debian ? its REALLY broken since 4 month's |
| 14:46.45 | mishmash | I thought that... But what i don't get is that courier is running... |
| 14:46.47 | valdyn | Thanatermesis: is it? |
| 14:46.55 | valdyn | Thanatermesis: which bug # ? |
| 14:47.06 | Thanatermesis | mmmh... let me check the BTS... |
| 14:47.07 | livingtm | hoazial, niether, thats Xscreensaver :-) |
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| 14:47.24 | pengol | wols_: I have a on board realtek nic rtl8169 is the driver name. |
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| 14:47.40 | livingtm | hoazial, but the feature that shuts down hard drives and things after being idle, thats power management |
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| 14:48.09 | hoazial | livingtm: i see, thks for the info. |
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| 14:48.28 | livingtm | hoazial, NP |
| 14:48.33 | mishmash | Is there an courier log? |
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| 14:48.56 | g0th | hi, is any groff expert around? |
| 14:48.57 | hoazial | livingtm: saving screen power is also power management, agree? |
| 14:50.02 | hoazial | got to go. bye. |
| 14:50.05 | g0th | In macosx tiger, ".nr IN 7" for setting the default indentation doesn't seem to work, I think this is the case in general for groff 1.19.2, how do I set the default indentation such that it still works? |
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| 14:50.47 | mishmash | fugit: I've made a stupid mistake... I forgot to install a few courier packages |
| 14:50.53 | mishmash | such as courier-pop |
| 14:51.12 | g0th | ".nr IN 7" is used in the mplayer man page, and we'd like to be able to set the default indentatation to something else than 7... |
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| 14:51.17 | fugit | mishmash: that will do it :-P GL |
| 14:51.22 | mishmash | :) |
| 14:51.24 | mishmash | ty |
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| 14:53.44 | cheal | g0th: notice that you're on #debian |
| 14:54.20 | Shadowcat | damn I thought this was #window |
| 14:54.21 | Shadowcat | s |
| 14:54.51 | g0th | yeah, #debian has a knowledge concentration ;) |
| 14:55.02 | Thanatermesis | valdyn i don't found it on BTS... but i have compiled ivman with very functions and after the upgrade of dbus it not has worked more (also recompiled, of course), no anything works more, no way |
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| 14:55.12 | abrotman | g0th: are you even running debian? |
| 14:55.16 | Thanatermesis | aparently this problem is in debian since 4 months |
| 14:55.17 | g0th | yes |
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| 14:55.33 | stew | Thanatermesis: what version of dbus? |
| 14:55.36 | g0th | maybe I'm lucky and the groff maintainer is here ;) |
| 14:55.43 | abrotman | !maint groff sarge |
| 14:55.54 | stew | Thanatermesis: and what version of ivman? |
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| 14:56.09 | yug | hello |
| 14:56.14 | Thanatermesis | steri dbus: etch, 0.61-4 |
| 14:56.18 | dpkg | groff: Colin Watson <cjwatson@debian.org> |
| 14:56.22 | Thanatermesis | ops, stew |
| 14:56.35 | tsukihime | how can i make openoffcie make corrections in spanish, already downloaded myspell-es, and especified in options that my default language is spanish for documents... i really need this to make word corrections, anyone help? |
| 14:56.53 | Thanatermesis | steri ivman, i have tested 0.6.8 version and 0.6.3 |
| 14:56.54 | yug | i'm looking for some help on debian etch with apache2/mysql (iso8859-15 -> utf-8) |
| 14:57.00 | Shadowcat | what does myspell have to do with openoffice? |
| 14:57.01 | abrotman | g0th: not likely .. i'm not sure i've ever seen colin in here |
| 14:57.11 | Gnea | !tell yug about ask |
| 14:57.12 | jnco | that both contain the letter e |
| 14:57.14 | jnco | they |
| 14:57.15 | jnco | * |
| 14:57.21 | g0th | hmm, I'll try to rtfs a bit, that's usually much faster than mailing around, besides debian has a quite old groff version and I suspect that the problem comes with the new version that tiger uses |
| 14:57.33 | tsukihime | Shadowcat: then what can i do to make it start correcting? |
| 14:57.33 | yug | !tell |
| 14:57.47 | stew | Thanatermesis: and what is broken? it just won't mount volumes? |
| 14:57.49 | Gnea | yug: don't bother with the bot, just explain your problem, please |
| 14:57.51 | tsukihime | Shadowcat: could you please asist me here, it is urgent =/ |
| 14:58.03 | abrotman | g0th: so you're asking about gross in OSX ? .. |
| 14:58.05 | abrotman | groff |
| 14:58.07 | g0th | so, the right place would be the groff ml, but last time I had to wait like a week |
| 14:58.15 | Shadowcat | !beat g0th |
| 14:58.19 | g0th | well, I suspect it is about the latest groff version |
| 14:58.22 | Thanatermesis | stew anything don't works more stew , yes, mounting volumes for example |
| 14:58.24 | g0th | not about groff in macosx |
| 14:58.26 | yug | mysql("INSERT INTO [iso character like éèâû]); -> give characters as éÃ?îêûç |
| 14:58.30 | g0th | but I also tried #macosx ;) |
| 14:58.33 | g0th | ok ok |
| 14:58.37 | abrotman | there is also #osx iirc |
| 14:58.39 | yug | but inserting in phpmyadmin work well |
| 14:58.40 | g0th | it really is a bit a strange place to ask |
| 14:58.46 | stew | Thanatermesis: now you have to create a policy in hal to give the volumes the "should_mount" property |
| 14:58.52 | abrotman | is groff a GNU tool ? |
| 14:58.59 | Gnea | yug: french characterset? |
| 14:59.01 | Shadowcat | tsukihime: read the OpenOffice.org help on installing dictionaries |
| 14:59.04 | yug | yes |
| 14:59.17 | stew | Thanatermesis: i created ivman packages for 0.6.10: http://www.vireo.org/debian/ivman/binary/ ; install that in read /usr/share/doc/ivman/README.Debian, the part about creating a policy in /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/ |
| 14:59.28 | tsukihime | Shadowcat: i get an error when accesing the help, and already got the dictionaries.... |
| 14:59.41 | Shadowcat | tsukihime: no |
| 14:59.42 | stew | Thanatermesis: or i could just tell you, i created a /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/99local and put this file in there: |
| 14:59.46 | Thanatermesis | you build ivman for debian ? NICE!! :) |
| 14:59.52 | Shadowcat | if you already HAD the dictionaries, you wouldn't be in here |
| 14:59.54 | stew | Thanatermesis: http://vireo.org/tmp/10mountpolicies.fdi |
| 15:00.03 | Shadowcat | and you most probably didn't install the help |
| 15:00.05 | yug | [/charset utf-8] -> mysql("INSERT INTO [iso character like éèâû]); -> give characters as éèîêûç |
| 15:00.12 | mishmash | What is ivman? |
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| 15:00.22 | Gnea | yug: interesting... sounds like a translation issue then... if it works with phpmyadmin, then you should take a look at what components your web browser is using to translate those character sets (it sounds like your shell settings for utf-8 aren't setup the same way) |
| 15:00.22 | jnco | those characters are crrizazy |
| 15:00.25 | g0th | ok, sorry for the disturbance... |
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| 15:00.38 | Thanatermesis | thanks stew, let me check all this things.. =) |
| 15:00.53 | Gnea | yug: yeah, iso != utf-8 |
| 15:01.01 | jnco | anyone run into this when trying to startx with xdm, (WW) VMWARE(0): Failed to set up write-combining range, its a fatal error |
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| 15:01.17 | Shadowcat | jnco: are you even using vmware? |
| 15:01.20 | Gnea | jnco: you don't startx and xdm at the same time |
| 15:01.21 | jnco | yes. |
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| 15:01.29 | jnco | hmm |
| 15:01.34 | Gnea | it's one or the other |
| 15:01.38 | jnco | well i type startx to start xdm |
| 15:01.39 | jnco | really. |
| 15:01.43 | Gnea | unless you're doing more than one X session |
| 15:01.44 | Shadowcat | no |
| 15:01.45 | jnco | (newbie) |
| 15:01.46 | Shadowcat | xdm starts X |
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| 15:01.56 | stew | !ivman is an alaternative to gnome-volume-manager that uses dbus and hal to be notified upon (upon other things) about when volumes are attached and detached allowing you to auto-mount or run scripts. http://ivman.sf.net ; it is not yet packaged for debian but should be in unstable soon, stew has preliminary debs for etch/sid here: http://vireo.org/debian/ivman |
| 15:02.01 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 15:02.12 | stew | !ivman =~ s/alaternative/alternative/ |
| 15:02.12 | dpkg | stew: OK |
| 15:02.27 | Gnea | jnco: no, you don't: startx boots you directly into X, while xdm (the X Display Manager) brings up a graphical login display that will load X for you |
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| 15:02.39 | jnco | uhmm., well.. i thought the command to start the xdm and/or (x window system display manager) |
| 15:02.40 | Groom | hey, are there any POLISH? |
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| 15:02.44 | jnco | was startx |
| 15:02.53 | Shadowcat | jnco: READ |
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| 15:02.59 | Komegente | hi, i've recently installed a ralink rt2500 to access internet |
| 15:03.14 | Gnea | jnco: no, startx is just a standard commandline command - so is xdm, but xdm is started with /etc/init.d/xdm |
| 15:03.21 | Gnea | !tell jnco about newbie_guide |
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| 15:03.51 | Groom | i have problem: How i can change size my deskop? :(( |
| 15:04.04 | Shadowcat | !tell Groom about specific |
| 15:04.38 | Komegente | but my x began to hang, after i entered in a web page that required a shockwave flash |
| 15:04.56 | folken | !tell folken about specific |
| 15:05.08 | cheal | !tell folken about selftell |
| 15:05.08 | Shadowcat | Komegente: so install flash |
| 15:05.10 | Groom | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:05.23 | tarzeau | hehe nice quad g5 powerpc and 2 x 11 tb boxes... |
| 15:05.28 | Shadowcat | Groom: you see, that doesn't tell us anything |
| 15:05.34 | Komegente | yes i.ve already installed |
| 15:05.44 | Gnea | !tell Groom -about ask |
| 15:05.46 | Komegente | but continue to hang |
| 15:05.46 | yug | Gnea, echo $query print correct characters, but the resulting mysql line isn't correct |
| 15:06.08 | yug | i dont think to a browser problem |
| 15:06.14 | Groom | i wrote: aticonfig --resolution=800x600 and i dont have 800x600:/ |
| 15:06.22 | Groom | im polish, sry for my english |
| 15:06.23 | Gnea | yug: right, so the pipe used to transport those characters is at fault |
| 15:07.09 | Groom | i have grahic card: ati radeon, i installed drivers |
| 15:07.19 | cheal | Groom: did you consider asking #debian.pl ? |
| 15:07.25 | Gnea | yug: well think of it like this: phpmyadmin is using php as the pipe to transfer the characters from the web browser to the mysql db |
| 15:07.25 | Groom | but i dont know how i can change size.. |
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| 15:07.35 | jnco | WOE is the life of a newbie. |
| 15:07.45 | jnco | Woe is I |
| 15:08.02 | Gnea | that's right. |
| 15:08.03 | Groom | cheal: in debian.pl is only 1 people:/ |
| 15:08.03 | Komegente | the thing is the x hangs in this cases when i use kopete and the msn and open mailbox |
| 15:08.12 | Groom | who can help me? |
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| 15:08.28 | Shadowcat | Groom: we can't help you if we don't understand you |
| 15:08.34 | Gnea | Groom: you've already been told how to be helped. |
| 15:08.35 | Komegente | and when i enter this page www.movilnet.com.ve |
| 15:08.36 | cheal | Groom: hum, sorry then |
| 15:08.38 | Shadowcat | in this case, we have no idea of what "size" means |
| 15:08.42 | jmp_me | i think he means resulution |
| 15:08.54 | Shadowcat | jmp_me: we don't know what he means |
| 15:09.02 | jmp_me | who are you |
| 15:09.04 | Gnea | jmp_me: then help him |
| 15:09.10 | jnco | shadowcat: size doesnt matter ;D |
| 15:09.15 | Komegente | i have used konqueron and mozilla-firefox and still have the same problem |
| 15:09.17 | Groom | aa, ok |
| 15:09.22 | jnco | motion in the ocean cough |
| 15:09.27 | yug | o thought that apache open the file then php interpret it then send the resulting command to mysql (which conf file sould I modify ? :) ) |
| 15:09.40 | Groom | so i have problem with resulution;] |
| 15:09.44 | Shadowcat | Komegente: X shouldn't hang just because you use flash |
| 15:09.47 | Komegente | im from Venezuela sorry for my english |
| 15:09.51 | Shadowcat | try reinstalling the client |
| 15:09.52 | jmp_me | shadowcat: whoisneurotiker.. |
| 15:09.55 | folken | Anybody experienced with preseeding and debian-installer in here? I'm passing options via syslinux booted from dhcpd, but d-i is not accepting them. |
| 15:10.28 | stew | folken: #debian-boot |
| 15:10.36 | folken | Stew ty. :) |
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| 15:10.59 | cheal | Groom: are you using the non-free drivers for ATI cards? |
| 15:11.03 | Komegente | i know shadowcat, because ive entered in other website that use flash and dont have that problem |
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| 15:11.17 | Shadowcat | Komegente: then just don't visit the troubling site |
| 15:11.17 | jnco | (quick noob question) how do I set the $display for kde =) |
| 15:11.19 | Shadowcat | problem solved |
| 15:11.34 | Shadowcat | jnco: why do you even need to do that? |
| 15:11.41 | Groom | cheal: yes |
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| 15:11.44 | jnco | well i do startkde |
| 15:11.52 | Shadowcat | for crying out loud |
| 15:11.52 | jnco | and it says its not set sorry for using multiple lines |
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| 15:12.02 | Shadowcat | you don't type startkde in a console |
| 15:12.08 | Shadowcat | you login to kde using a login manager |
| 15:12.14 | Shadowcat | such as kdm/gdm/xdm |
| 15:12.17 | jnco | exactly. |
| 15:12.21 | stew | jnco: apt-get install install x-window-system-core kdm |
| 15:12.22 | jnco | dang nabit |
| 15:12.22 | jmp_me | Groom: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 15:12.33 | jnco | i think its installed already stew |
| 15:12.40 | stew | jnco: /etc/init.d/kdm start |
| 15:12.43 | jnco | check this out im in /etc/init.d |
| 15:12.45 | Shadowcat | stew: more like aptitude install x-window-system-core kde |
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| 15:13.00 | Komegente | shadowcat what channel d |
| 15:13.00 | Groom | i dont have XSERVER-XORG |
| 15:13.01 | dmz | anyone here use lvm on testing? |
| 15:13.15 | Komegente | shadowcat what channel do you suggest |
| 15:13.17 | stew | dmz: lots of people |
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| 15:13.22 | jnco | ok. for all the login managers i use the screen just resizes a bunch then goes back to prompt |
| 15:13.34 | Shadowcat | jnco: then you need to fix X |
| 15:13.40 | Shadowcat | obviously you've configured it WRONG |
| 15:13.43 | dmz | is e2fsadm available for lvm2? |
| 15:13.43 | Groom | cheal: i must download xserver-xorg? |
| 15:13.43 | jnco | INDEED |
| 15:13.51 | jnco | so dkpg -configure ummm |
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| 15:13.55 | jnco | X11 |
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| 15:13.57 | jnco | or something |
| 15:14.02 | stew | !drxx jnco |
| 15:14.02 | dpkg | jnco: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 15:14.19 | jnco | (hey. you guys are alright thank you) |
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| 15:15.26 | cheal | Groom: which Debian release/version do you use? |
| 15:16.01 | dmz | anyone? |
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| 15:16.10 | Groom | cheal: 31r1 |
| 15:16.32 | Komegente | shadowcat what channel do you suggest for my problem |
| 15:16.38 | cheal | Groom: OK, then it's normal that you don't have xserver-xorg. In 3.1, the equivalent is xserver-xfree86 |
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| 15:16.45 | n0rus | How do I modify header locations? |
| 15:16.51 | Shadowcat | Komegente: why do I have to suggest a channel? |
| 15:16.53 | pingouin | i got some troubles with burned dvd+rw, i can mount it, see the files, run/cp somes but with some other on the same dvd+rw it's hang, and the /var/log/syslog give an : localhost kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev hdc, sector 7517184, any clue ? |
| 15:17.05 | n0rus | WHile compiling my program can not find openssl/rand.h |
| 15:17.17 | Shadowcat | n0rus: so install the openssl headers |
| 15:17.25 | jmp_me | Groom: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 15:17.29 | Groom | cheal: i reconfigured xserver-xfee86 but i dont have 800x600 now too |
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| 15:17.55 | Groom | but i change 800x600 |
| 15:18.00 | Groom | :( |
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| 15:18.12 | stew | Groom: which driver are you using? and which chipset do you have? |
| 15:18.28 | Shadowcat | he has ati |
| 15:18.37 | stew | Shadowcat: which? |
| 15:18.37 | Groom | i have ati radeon 5550, gigabyte |
| 15:18.45 | n0rus | Shadowcat: I already have these headers in /usr/local/ssl/include/openssl |
| 15:18.47 | stew | Groom: which driver are you using? |
| 15:18.47 | Shadowcat | 5550? |
| 15:19.02 | Shadowcat | n0rus: did you install the ssl dev package or not? |
| 15:19.02 | Vinland | chrooting ssh/sftpd users is very hard to do. I can't get it to work and I think I'm going to cry. |
| 15:19.08 | yug | echo $LC_LANG or $LC_ALL : no result : is it normal ? |
| 15:19.10 | Groom | 9550 |
| 15:19.11 | Groom | sry |
| 15:19.12 | Groom | :D |
| 15:19.12 | BadMan | does a tft active matrix fall under LCD? or CRT? |
| 15:19.16 | n0rus | Shadowcat: I've installed apt-get install openssl |
| 15:19.20 | Shadowcat | BadMan: LCD |
| 15:19.25 | BadMan | ok... |
| 15:19.25 | Shadowcat | n0rus: in other words, no |
| 15:19.27 | BadMan | thanks |
| 15:19.32 | n0rus | And I found that rand.h in /usr/local/ssl/include |
| 15:19.41 | Shadowcat | openssl headers are included with openssl-dev |
| 15:19.44 | Shadowcat | not openssl |
| 15:19.55 | Shadowcat | so unless you've installed that obviously it's not gonna find them |
| 15:19.58 | n0rus | ok |
| 15:20.16 | Groom | ATI Proprietary Linux x86 Display Drivers for XFREE86 / X. Org Version 8.23.7 --- my driver |
| 15:20.25 | Shadowcat | well to be exact. openssl-<version>-dev |
| 15:20.29 | stew | n0rus: nothing in /usr/local/ came from a debian package that is stuff you installed by hand, and will later probably bite you in the butt |
| 15:20.49 | stew | Groom: do you need 3d support? |
| 15:21.06 | cheal | Groom: what does / debconf-show xserver-xfree86 |
| 15:21.11 | cheal | Groom: oops |
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| 15:21.15 | jmp_me | version of a HIGHMEM kernel? |
| 15:21.25 | cheal | Groom: what does / debconf-show xserver-xfree86|grep device/driver; output? |
| 15:21.29 | cheal | grr |
| 15:21.29 | Groom | stew: hmm i dont know:D, now no |
| 15:21.35 | cheal | Groom: what does $ debconf-show xserver-xfree86|grep device/driver; output? |
| 15:21.50 | stew | jmp_me: any of the 2.6 kernels besides the -386 one |
| 15:22.11 | BadMan | crap again no luck... |
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| 15:22.35 | stew | Groom: then i'd recommend trying the "ati" driver instead of the "fglrx" driver |
| 15:22.40 | jnco | dang nabit all these login managers just keep resizing myscreen |
| 15:22.47 | jnco | even after trying to reconfigure |
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| 15:22.55 | Shadowcat | yawn |
| 15:22.57 | jnco | no messages just back to prompt (sorry for using enter) |
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| 15:23.01 | Groom | xserver-xfree86/config/display/modes: 640x480 - ok here is 640x480, but i have now hmm i think 1152x... |
| 15:23.33 | stew | jnco: does the DM actually start or does it just try three times and dump you back to the console? |
| 15:23.37 | Groom | maybe i must reboot system? |
| 15:23.43 | stew | Groom: nope |
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| 15:23.58 | jnco | 3 times |
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| 15:23.59 | jnco | dump |
| 15:24.00 | BadMan | the attached lcd and trident are supposed to be good at 800x600 @ 16bpp my external for it supports 1024x768 @ 16bpp... but yet I cant get anything aboue 640x480 on it with about a 1" black box around the screen.. its not even stretching the 640x480 fill the screen... any ideas? |
| 15:24.03 | Groom | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:24.19 | jnco | stew |
| 15:24.26 | stew | BadMan: how is it connected? vga cable? dvi cable? |
| 15:25.05 | stew | jnco: read the X{free86,org}.0.log in /var/log/ to figure out why its not starting |
| 15:25.11 | stew | jnco: look for lines starting with (EE) |
| 15:25.11 | BadMan | stew: the external monitor? this is a thinkpad 760XL and the monitor is connected wiht vga cable |
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| 15:25.36 | BadMan | was switching back and borth with fn-F7 to make sure I wasnt on the wrong ones etc... |
| 15:25.39 | Groom | xserver-xfree86/config/monitor/mode-list: 1280x960 @ 60Hz where i can change it? |
| 15:25.52 | jnco | ok |
| 15:26.09 | stew | !drxx BadMan |
| 15:26.09 | dpkg | BadMan: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 15:26.26 | stew | Groom: ^^^ |
| 15:26.28 | Thanatermesis | stew this dependency is added in your package and if i install it, it needs to work automatically ? |
| 15:26.36 | BadMan | stew: nope only using drxx |
| 15:26.36 | Groom | stew: :)) |
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| 15:26.48 | stew | Thanatermesis: i didn't understand your question |
| 15:27.06 | Thanatermesis | hehe |
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| 15:27.17 | stew | Thanatermesis: if you try to install it with dpkg -i, and get dependency problems which installing it, run "apt-get -f install" |
| 15:28.04 | Thanatermesis | stew you have speak me to i need to add a "policy" now in ivman... a xml code... i think to its the configurations files of ivman.. you have added it directly in your package and i don't need to add it, correct ? if i install your package it needs to work directly, correct ? |
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| 15:28.37 | stew | Thanatermesis: no you still need to add it, read /usr/share/doc/ivman/README.Debian |
| 15:28.49 | Thanatermesis | ah, ok, i check |
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| 15:30.06 | Groom | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:30.23 | Groom | in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 15:30.30 | Groom | :/ |
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| 15:30.58 | Groom | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:31.04 | Groom | i need this config;] |
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| 15:31.25 | BadMan | arg, where do I lcoate the SVGA driver, since it doesnt seem to be listed when I do a drxx... |
| 15:31.26 | stew | Groom: you mean you need a resolution that is not in the list? |
| 15:31.42 | Groom | stew: yes |
| 15:31.44 | stew | BadMan: vesa |
| 15:31.50 | stew | Groom: then you have to edit the config by hand |
| 15:32.02 | BadMan | well crap that ahsn't helped either... |
| 15:32.10 | Groom | can i paste my config here? |
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| 15:32.26 | stew | Groom: no /msg dpkg paster |
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| 15:32.40 | jnco | stew |
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| 15:32.44 | stew | jnco: |
| 15:32.49 | jnco | you want me to read the bottom of the log, there is a fatal error |
| 15:32.56 | jnco | no lines EE i dont believe |
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| 15:33.00 | jnco | scrolled through it |
| 15:33.08 | jnco | (sorry for enter so many times) bad habbit |
| 15:33.09 | stew | jnco: no core devices detected? |
| 15:33.19 | stew | jnco: no screens found? |
| 15:33.27 | jnco | let me see |
| 15:33.29 | jnco | again |
| 15:34.08 | Groom | im sad;/ |
| 15:34.36 | jnco | gloomy days go away, sunshine through |
| 15:34.40 | jnco | happiness |
| 15:34.41 | jnco | =) |
| 15:34.43 | Groom | :D |
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| 15:35.37 | jnco | =) |
| 15:35.44 | Komegente | when my x hangs, what keys i have to press to recover the graphic interface? |
| 15:35.47 | jnco | stew, theres no EEs just IIs and some --S |
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| 15:36.13 | jnco | "(--)"s |
| 15:36.34 | Groom | i cant change my stupid resulution |
| 15:36.35 | Groom | :/ |
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| 15:37.03 | Komegente | i know tha i have to press alt + sys(something) i believe if the brake button, but i tried that and is not working |
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| 15:37.22 | jnco | (WW)'s too |
| 15:37.24 | jnco | stew |
| 15:37.33 | jnco | try google.com real fast kome |
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| 15:37.54 | stew | jnco: at the bottom, is there some FATAL error? can you post the log to a pastebin? |
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| 15:38.29 | mircolei | Hi all, yesterday I asked if no one know's why I can't mount my external SCSI CDR's, today I disconnected the f...ing USB-ZIP and KDE came up with that brandnew Windows Style dialog-box |
| 15:38.51 | jnco | il just type it , its easier.. "this should not happen! an unresolved function was called!" |
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| 15:39.02 | mircolei | so the damn USB-Storage made my sr_mod hang, anyone seen this before?? |
| 15:39.03 | sambrista | hello, i'm having problems compiling the RT73 (USB Wireless) driver under the 2.4.27 kernel. I did it under the 2.6.15 and it went ok. Has anyone done it? Can anyone help me? |
| 15:39.04 | GyrosGeier | hi |
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| 15:39.17 | jnco | WW) VMWARE(0): Failed to set up write-combining range |
| 15:39.27 | jnco | theres that above it about 15 lines |
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| 15:40.11 | GyrosGeier | I have minor issues with cdrecord since a few days (it invokes BURNFREE at some point between 630 to 670 MiB into the image even though the drive buffer is full). Drive is a Plextor. Has anyone seen such a thing already? |
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| 15:40.56 | Vinland | Is anyone here know a thing or two about chrooting ssh/sftp users? |
| 15:41.02 | Vinland | is-does |
| 15:41.05 | streuner1 | mircolei: what version of debian do you use and what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
| 15:41.10 | thingfish | GyrosGeier: check bugs.debian.org/cdrecord |
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| 15:41.49 | isilzha | what do i need to do to log a program`s output in a file? |
| 15:41.57 | pengol | pipeline: you still there? |
| 15:42.37 | TipTap | isilzha, if it outputs to stdout you could use ">" |
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| 15:43.00 | isilzha | TipTap: it does and i tried that. it didn't work though |
| 15:43.22 | stew | isilzha: you might also need to redirect stderr to stdout: cmd 2>&1 > somefile |
| 15:43.24 | TipTap | check to see if you can output to a file like strace would be strace -o filename |
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| 15:43.48 | stew | Vinland: /msg dpkg chroot ssh |
| 15:44.17 | stew | Vinland: you are better off try to restrict their shell with scponly or rssh |
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| 15:45.29 | pipeline | pengol: eh? |
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| 15:45.47 | GyrosGeier | thingfish, any bug in particular you'd like to highlight, or was that more of a general suggestion. I've just checked again that I didn't overlook something, but didn't find anything. |
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| 15:46.17 | isilzha | TipTap: that didn't work |
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| 15:46.27 | Komegente | anybody can help me? |
| 15:46.28 | isilzha | stew: i'm not sure if i got you right |
| 15:46.36 | pengol | pipeline: I tought I had different behaviour with a 100 switch but I don't sorry |
| 15:46.51 | streuner | GyrosGeier: why not asking 'Zomb' directly? |
| 15:47.03 | isilzha | stew: like "anycommand > &1 > myfile"? |
| 15:47.46 | GyrosGeier | streuner, why Zomb? |
| 15:47.56 | thingfish | GyrosGeier: it was a general suggestion. That's where you always start when asking "Is anyone experiencing x and y?" |
| 15:48.01 | GyrosGeier | streuner, Ganneff and Sledge are the maintainers IIRC |
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| 15:48.10 | streuner | GyrosGeier: for cdrecord? |
| 15:48.26 | stew | isilzha: no, anycommand 2>&1 > myfile ; 2> is stderr &1 means to remap it to 1 which is stdout, then > remaps stdout to a file |
| 15:48.28 | GyrosGeier | thingfish, yeah, I'm a DD though, so I already know that one. :-) |
| 15:48.31 | streuner | GyrosGeier: nowadays there are 3 |
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| 15:48.45 | streuner | GyrosGeier: he is one of them, IIRC |
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| 15:49.02 | thingfish | GyrosGeier: oh, pardon me then! I had no idea. |
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| 15:49.15 | thingfish | GyrosGeier: btw, THANKS for all you do for Debian. |
| 15:49.22 | GyrosGeier | streuner, ah, excellent. |
| 15:49.35 | GyrosGeier | thingfish, heh, it's not that I do so much these days. :-/ |
| 15:49.35 | thingfish | If I owned a bar, all DDs would drink for free. |
| 15:49.49 | jair | hello guys, if I am using a HP server proliant DL 140 should I use the kernel smp 686?? or the regular 686? |
| 15:50.11 | jair | I am using an XEON processor. |
| 15:50.15 | thingfish | GyrosGeier: maybe so, but you help out nonetheless. |
| 15:50.24 | streuner | jair: does the server have multiple CPU's? then SMP |
| 15:50.25 | GyrosGeier | thingfish, in return, thanks for helping users, which is equally important. |
| 15:50.30 | SimonRaven | is it smp, if yes then yes |
| 15:50.42 | slushpupie | jair: if you want hyper threading, you need smp |
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| 15:50.45 | Shing | as root, is there a way to connect to someones session on the same box, to see what they are doing ? |
| 15:50.49 | streuner | !smp |
| 15:50.50 | dpkg | well, smp is (Symmetric Multi Processing) This refers to a technology where a computer uses multiple processors to process different instructions at the same time, in separate processing units. It is a form of parallel computing. or Single Member Plurality, which is the Canadian electoral system., or rtfm! http://www.phy.duke.edu/brahma/smp-faq/, or the right option for Hyperthreaded Pentium 4's, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symmetric_multiprocessing |
| 15:50.58 | thingfish | GyrosGeier: I don't do much helping really - just very simple and trivial things. |
| 15:51.12 | GyrosGeier | thingfish, so "first level" support? :-) |
| 15:51.15 | jair | streuner, slushpupie nope is just one CPU and is an Intel XEON |
| 15:51.15 | thingfish | I'm just a lowly desktop user. |
| 15:51.20 | thingfish | hehe |
| 15:51.33 | thingfish | GyrosGeier: you got it. |
| 15:51.49 | jair | streuner, slushpupie so i think i am ok with the Stable debian sarge 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 15:52.05 | jnco | stew hows it going |
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| 15:52.13 | ub1k | c |
| 15:52.35 | GyrosGeier | jair, then you can choose either. the SMP kernel gives you an extra "pseudo" CPU because your box has Hyperthreading, which may be good or bad depending on your application. |
| 15:52.39 | SimonRaven | jair: then the non-smp kernel |
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| 15:52.55 | SimonRaven | bah, ht bs |
| 15:52.59 | jair | GyrosGeier, I am telling you that XEON not HT |
| 15:53.09 | isilzha | stew: ok i think i understood this now. thanks for the insight. too bad this doesn't work though. what i try to do is to see all of the error output startx produces |
| 15:53.25 | GyrosGeier | jair, the Xeon ones usually do HT if asked to. |
| 15:53.30 | jair | SimonRaven, hahah right if I am using XEON I do not think it provides HT |
| 15:53.39 | jair | GyrosGeier, ohhh ok |
| 15:54.05 | GyrosGeier | jair, if not, SMP is still safe to use, although it has a minimal performance impact. |
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| 15:54.57 | jnco | have you mooed today! |
| 15:55.04 | GyrosGeier | jair, so I'd boot an SMP kernel first, check whether there are multiple CPUs, and if so, use that, if not, switch to non-SMP |
| 15:55.10 | jair | GyrosGeier, I am using right now the Stable debian sarge 2.6.8-2-686 and I haven't experience any problem. |
| 15:55.18 | thingfish | I wonder why the stable kernel update (2.6.8-3) isn't showing up in apt-cache search yet. Later today, perhaps? |
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| 15:55.34 | SimonRaven | every day |
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| 15:55.56 | jair | GyrosGeier, I apologize for my bad grammar in English. |
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| 15:56.10 | thingfish | I've already done apt-get update today. |
| 15:56.11 | BadMan | ok, this seems to be a lost cause.. anyway I can remove xfree 4.3.x of sarge and install the xfree 3.3.6 of woody? |
| 15:56.14 | GyrosGeier | jair, it's perfectly understandable to me. |
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| 15:56.47 | jair | GyrosGeier, so should I access then to the BIOS actually let me check the documentation on line of this server I have. and the Xeon processor |
| 15:57.18 | SimonRaven | BadMan: good luck |
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| 15:57.33 | yggdrasil_ | can somone help me out im tryin to get vmware running on etch. |
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| 15:57.39 | yggdrasil_ | kinda lost |
| 15:58.08 | SimonRaven | is #vmware still alive? |
| 15:58.15 | jnco | not this early |
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| 15:58.20 | BadMan | SimonRaven: lol yeah tell me a bout it.. vesa just goes berzerk, trident works but i am stuck to 640x480 |
| 15:58.25 | jnco | how do u copy and paste out of vmware |
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| 15:58.27 | yggdrasil_ | i went in there but no help :( |
| 15:58.28 | dut | Hello. Sorry for maybe offtopic question, but i don't know where i must ask it: i'm using debian Sarge and KDE(3.3.2 from Sarge) and in all GTK applications fonts are very small: in menues, buttons, etc. And i don't know where and how i may change it. May you suggest something? |
| 15:58.31 | jnco | how do u copy in VI |
| 15:58.48 | jnco | how do u copy and paste text in vmware is that possible, i bet it is |
| 15:58.53 | jair | GyrosGeier, so now i just got a upgrade of the kernel from 2.6.8-2-686 to ------> 2.6.8-3-686 ! |
| 15:59.03 | pipeline | jnco: It's only possible to copy to and from vmware if you have the "VMware Tools" in your guest OS. |
| 15:59.09 | jair | so this kernel is out now= 2.6.8-3-686 |
| 15:59.12 | pipeline | jnco: vi copy and paste is "yy" and "p" |
| 15:59.25 | yggdrasil_ | i guesse do i need to make a new kernel for vmware or what?he path /usr/src/linx-header.../ is a linux header file directory but it does not contain the files "linux/version.h" as exptected. this can happen if the kernel has never been buit. or ifi you have invoked the mprper command in your kernel directory |
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| 15:59.46 | SimonRaven | yggdrasil_: version.h is generated |
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| 15:59.54 | abrotman | !gtk font size |
| 15:59.54 | dpkg | If gtk1 fonts are fucked and gtk-theme-switch won't fix them, copy a file from /etc/gtk/gtkrc.$LOCALE to ~/.gtkrc and replace the specified font with whatever you like from xfontsel. |
| 16:00.03 | Ian|BG4CRF | Hello everybody, I can't get etch_di_beta2 from cdimage.debian.org, is there any alternative URL? |
| 16:00.11 | SimonRaven | you need to configure and build part of it at least |
| 16:00.14 | abrotman | Ian|BG4CRF: why not? |
| 16:00.26 | dut | abrotman, thanks |
| 16:00.27 | jnco | danget all! |
| 16:00.32 | jair | abrotman, this is out already 2.6.8-2-686? |
| 16:00.38 | jnco | i press yy god im such a newbie |
| 16:00.39 | abrotman | huh? |
| 16:00.41 | yggdrasil_ | simonraven ahh i think im getting it now.. |
| 16:00.44 | jnco | someone slap the newb out of me |
| 16:00.50 | yggdrasil_ | except i dld kernel headers for a different kernel ;( |
| 16:00.52 | yggdrasil_ | brb |
| 16:00.59 | jair | abrotman, I did a apt-get dist-upgrade and I got this kernel----> 2.6.8-3-686 |
| 16:01.06 | abrotman | jair: read your DSAs |
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| 16:01.10 | Ian|BG4CRF | abrotman , download will stop after about 1-2M has been downloaded... |
| 16:01.14 | thingfish | well damn |
| 16:01.22 | jair | DSAs??? |
| 16:01.27 | abrotman | !dsa |
| 16:01.27 | dpkg | dsa is probably Debian Security Announcement, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ Debian Sysadmin, the people you pester to install software and such on Debian Project computers |
| 16:01.39 | jair | abrotman, got it thank you :) |
| 16:01.44 | thingfish | my mirror just must not have it yet. |
| 16:01.50 | abrotman | Ian|BG4CRF: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_beta2/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso .. that url ? |
| 16:02.00 | abrotman | thingfish: it's for security .. they should all have it |
| 16:02.08 | abrotman | thingfish: it happened yesterday |
| 16:02.12 | Ian|BG4CRF | yes, I have tried it for hours... |
| 16:02.14 | thingfish | it's available through the normal security.debian.org channel, right? |
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| 16:02.25 | abrotman | Ian|BG4CRF: how are you downloading it ? |
| 16:02.28 | Ian|BG4CRF | maybe I should find a proxy... |
| 16:02.34 | BadMan | ok, with grub is there a way that I can boot a netinst cd? or do I need to go back to scratch with the floppies since I can boot from them and not cds? |
| 16:02.42 | thingfish | ah, fsck me, I didn't scroll down. sheesh. |
| 16:02.43 | dut | abrotman, sorry, but i'm using GTK2 in my programs: xchat, ethereal |
| 16:02.47 | thingfish | it's there. |
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| 16:02.55 | abrotman | !gtk2 font size |
| 16:02.57 | abrotman | bah |
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| 16:02.59 | abrotman | !gtk2 font |
| 16:02.59 | dpkg | rumour has it, gtk2 font is to change the default font, add something like "gtk-font-name = "Verdana 12"" to your ~/.gtkrc-2.0, or try gtk-theme-switch2 |
| 16:03.25 | Ian|BG4CRF | abrotman, I've tried wget and some downloader under windows... |
| 16:03.38 | abrotman | Ian|BG4CRF: let me try |
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| 16:03.47 | Ian|BG4CRF | Thanks.:P |
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| 16:04.28 | abrotman | Ian|BG4CRF: seems ok here |
| 16:04.33 | Ian|BG4CRF | If it can go through 3M... |
| 16:04.44 | abrotman | Ian|BG4CRF: you can ask #debian-boot .. but i don't think there's a mirror |
| 16:04.45 | Ian|BG4CRF | o...let me found a proxy... |
| 16:04.54 | Ian|BG4CRF | ok... |
| 16:05.02 | dut | abrotman, thanks |
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| 16:06.12 | yggdrasil_ | yes i got it going ;) |
| 16:06.13 | yggdrasil_ | i think |
| 16:06.33 | jnco | danget all, someone help a nice newb like myself, how do u copy and paste from vmware (i know this isnt vmware) i copied the text in vi and tried to paste in windows.. no dice |
| 16:07.02 | possie | i have an application which i started up via x11forwarding, now the computation is going to take longer then i thought, is there away to suspend it to the background, shutdown my notebook, go home and get the background application back to the foreground and see the gui application again? |
| 16:07.34 | jnco | dude i have to have vmware installed on the guest os huh |
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| 16:07.47 | SimonRaven | jnco: re-read what pipeline told you |
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| 16:08.31 | jnco | is there an apt-get command for vmtools |
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| 16:08.45 | cyb0rg | how do I configure the clock (i.e. set it to "local" instead of UTC) |
| 16:09.04 | SimonRaven | tzconfig |
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| 16:09.20 | SimonRaven | or, setting TZ= in your shell's rc files |
| 16:09.30 | gan | hi |
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| 16:09.46 | cyb0rg | the timezone is correctly set |
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| 16:10.06 | Eulex | cyb0rg, man date |
| 16:10.07 | cyb0rg | I still get "bad" time on each reboot and have to use date(1) |
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| 16:10.19 | cyb0rg | I need to make sure the settings stick |
| 16:10.28 | possie | jnco, you could have tried the command ;-) but vmware-tools have specific version that are supplied by your hosted environment, so just click on the "install vmware tools" button, and mount the cdrom drive |
| 16:10.31 | SimonRaven | are you dual booting? |
| 16:10.33 | cyb0rg | (i.e. survive a reboot) |
| 16:10.37 | cyb0rg | no I am not |
| 16:10.51 | gan | å¯ä»¥æ‰“ä¸æ–‡å—？ |
| 16:10.57 | SimonRaven | well, could be your battery is dying too |
| 16:11.08 | disposable | i'm installing sarge on a HP nx6110 laptop and "kacpid" takes 99.9% of CPU. how do i throttle it down? please hurry with the answer, or it'll melt down. |
| 16:11.19 | jnco | ok thanks possie |
| 16:11.34 | yggdrasil_ | gan å¯ä»¥æ‰“ä¸æ–‡å—!!!! |
| 16:11.41 | cyb0rg | ..I've just moved from a Gentoo install yesterday .. I had no trouble on the gentoo install. The time/date has been "bad" since the first boot of the new Debian system. |
| 16:11.58 | Eulex | ã‚· |
| 16:12.08 | yggdrasil_ | haha |
| 16:12.08 | jair | abrotman, so then basically I need to run apt-get dist-upgrade and I should get the updates correct? or should i download those .deb patches and run them with dpkg -i <.deb>? |
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| 16:12.20 | abrotman | not a dist-upgrade |
| 16:12.28 | yggdrasil_ | wonder what hes saying |
| 16:12.34 | jair | abrotman, then?? |
| 16:12.54 | SimonRaven | yggdrasil_: then hwclock isn't doing its job (known fucked btw, no utc) |
| 16:13.04 | SimonRaven | yggdrasil_: woops, sorry |
| 16:13.08 | SimonRaven | cyb0rg: ^^ |
| 16:13.09 | yggdrasil_ | uh whatever |
| 16:13.10 | yggdrasil_ | haha |
| 16:13.23 | yggdrasil_ | thanks for the info though |
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| 16:13.41 | jair | I mean I though that dist-upgrade install packages from the deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
| 16:13.41 | jair | ? |
| 16:13.42 | Ian|BG4CRF | yggdrasil_ ... |
| 16:13.45 | BadMan | is the debian distro on linuxiso "woody"? My woody set seems ok except for disc 1... |
| 16:13.54 | cyb0rg | the hardware clock is wrong (as shown by the hwclock --show) |
| 16:14.02 | cyb0rg | how do I sync the hwclock to the current system time |
| 16:14.10 | cyb0rg | ah .. nm:) |
| 16:14.54 | jair | so recommendation for a kind of newbie Debian user like me what I should do to keep my debian server updated in applications and also security patches? |
| 16:15.12 | samuel | sup all |
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| 16:15.21 | stew | jair: /msg dpkg security |
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| 16:15.33 | jair | stew, thank you |
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| 16:16.35 | BadMan | is debian designation 3.0(3.0r4) woody? |
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| 16:16.50 | stew | BadMan: yes |
| 16:16.56 | BadMan | stew: thanks |
| 16:17.18 | cyb0rg | there we go |
| 16:17.27 | cyb0rg | hm .. I just love it when I solve my problems by stating them out loud |
| 16:17.47 | stew | cyb0rg: while you are at it you might wanna install ntpdate and ntp-simple |
| 16:17.50 | BadMan | bbl8r |
| 16:17.57 | cyb0rg | yep |
| 16:18.04 | cyb0rg | I agree:) |
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| 16:18.22 | cyb0rg | what's ntp-simple ? |
| 16:18.45 | samuel | anyone here use beagled on sid? is it normal sometimes for a very long time it steals 100% of the cpu? (long time as in hours)) |
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| 16:19.06 | stew | cyb0rg: its a daemon which periodically checks ntp and watches your clock drift and tracks it |
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| 16:19.14 | reind | I'm having trouble with iptables and connecting to an outside VPN. Do I need to enable something in iptables to allow VPN connections out from NATed boxes on my internal network? |
| 16:19.35 | cyb0rg | damn. debian is fast. |
| 16:19.40 | pngwn | cyb0rg, apt-cache show ntp-simple |
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| 16:21.24 | fas3r | hi all |
| 16:22.14 | jair | stew, so basically if I put main, contrib and non-free all I have to do is "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade" to keep debian sarge 3.1 stable up to date? |
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| 16:22.47 | obscuresoul | hello |
| 16:23.13 | bbrazil | jair: you need main/stable and security |
| 16:23.29 | stew | jair: yes |
| 16:23.38 | stew | bbrazil: yeah that's what he's asking about |
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| 16:23.47 | obscuresoul | what's the difference among x-window-system and x-window-system-core? |
| 16:23.48 | jnco | jeez louise (biggest newbie question of the day, number 1) how do i use ls like dir /p (display 1 screen at a time) |
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| 16:24.08 | GyrosGeier | obscuresoul, core is smaller and less complete |
| 16:24.13 | Thanatermesis | stew can you accept pv ? |
| 16:24.17 | pngwn | jnco, ls |more or less |
| 16:24.52 | jair | stew, perfect |
| 16:25.17 | jair | bbrazil, are you brazillian? |
| 16:25.42 | samuel | what is the web address of the debian archive for old packages? |
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| 16:25.49 | obscuresoul | GyrosGeier but it contains the essencial, isn't it? |
| 16:25.58 | jair | bbrazil, I put this on my source.lst "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" |
| 16:26.03 | obscuresoul | s/essencial/essential |
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| 16:26.33 | thewiz | hi , i am trying to install dekorato, but when i do ./configure i get : |
| 16:26.34 | thewiz | checking for KDE... configure: error: |
| 16:26.34 | thewiz | in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail. |
| 16:26.34 | thewiz | So, check this please and use another prefix! |
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| 16:26.41 | bbrazil | jair: that looks right |
| 16:26.49 | GyrosGeier | obscuresoul, yes |
| 16:26.55 | cyb0rg | It seems that shadow passwords + MD5 are enabled by default in -testing, am I right ? |
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| 16:27.18 | stew | samuel: /msg dpkg sdn |
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| 16:27.52 | samuel | thanks |
| 16:27.55 | thewiz | hi , i am trying to install dekorato, but when i do ./configure i get : |
| 16:28.09 | thewiz | checking for KDE... configure: error: |
| 16:28.09 | thewiz | in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail. |
| 16:28.10 | thewiz | So, check this please and use another prefix! |
| 16:28.23 | SimonRaven | we saw it already |
| 16:28.28 | thewiz | ohh sorry |
| 16:28.32 | thewiz | i got disconnected |
| 16:28.43 | SimonRaven | you got kicked |
| 16:29.05 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 16:29.05 | dpkg | hmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 16:29.46 | SimonRaven | i.e., forcefully removed from the channel. because you pasted more lines than the bot would allow |
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| 16:30.15 | thewiz | ok i know, sorry didnt knew it was prohibited here |
| 16:30.27 | thewiz | any suggestions with the problem i m having ? |
| 16:30.45 | SimonRaven | the one in debian doesn't work for you? |
| 16:31.01 | stew | thewiz: "./configure --help" see if there is an option to specify the location of the kde headers, of course you have read INSTALL and README already right? |
| 16:31.24 | SimonRaven | s/he might not have them installed, either |
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| 16:31.44 | thewiz | I have read the readme and install |
| 16:31.56 | thewiz | but all they say is do ./configure ; make ; make install |
| 16:32.01 | yggdrasil_ | ive got a n intel 82830cgc video card in this laptop and it crashes whenever i switch from x to console.. wouldnt bother me much except that it does same thing trying to get in and out of vmware full screen... where can i check for anew driver or something ? |
| 16:32.05 | thewiz | i dont know if have them or not installed |
| 16:32.08 | thewiz | how do i know ? |
| 16:32.11 | tecky | anyone know of a good name for a server thats going to do to misc things ... I'm having a brain fart... want it to be a cute name =o |
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| 16:33.02 | SimonRaven | thewiz: try dpkg -l '*kde*dev' in a shell and tell us if you see 'ii' or 'hi' at the beginning of the line |
| 16:33.15 | livingtm | tecky, hows about "brainfart" |
| 16:33.34 | SimonRaven | tecky: easier to think of a theme and stick with that. can't recall which RFC it is... |
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| 16:35.29 | thewiz | un kdelibs-dev <none> (no description available) |
| 16:35.29 | thewiz | ii kdewebdev 3.3.2-6 web development apps from the official KDE release |
| 16:35.54 | tecky | I know ... SimonRaven |
| 16:36.13 | thewiz | i guys got that ? |
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| 16:37.04 | soran_ | how do I recover the root password? |
| 16:38.03 | jair | bbrazil, but do i nee to add the contrib and non-free to the packages source servers as well? |
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| 16:38.40 | dannyp | soran_: in a word, you don't. but to change it, boot single user (assuming your console is marked secure) and then use the passwd command |
| 16:39.11 | thewiz | SimonRaven :? u got the output i got ? |
| 16:39.26 | dannyp | soran_: if your console isn't marked secure, grab a knoppix CD, boot it, mount the root partition, edit the passwd files |
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| 16:39.53 | SimonRaven | thewiz: ok, nothing. do apt-cache search kde dev, and install the -headers and -dev package you'll see |
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| 16:40.47 | tecky | hrm ... great ... alot of help i got =] |
| 16:41.32 | thingfish | tecky: you don't know people in here very well if you're looking for cutesy hostnames. |
| 16:41.37 | thingfish | ;) |
| 16:41.54 | tecky | thingfish: agreed ... tho i've been in here often lately ... just idle tho =] |
| 16:42.03 | lnx_rlz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:43.13 | falco_toadfoot | I don't seem to be able to build http://www.saillard.org/linux/pwc/files/pwc-10.0.11.tar.bz2 |
| 16:43.17 | usn | hi folx |
| 16:43.46 | falco_toadfoot | I run "make" with no errors, but when I do make install, it complains about pwc.ko not existing |
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| 16:43.57 | thewiz | im doing : apt-cache search kde dev |grep head |
| 16:44.11 | thewiz | and all i get |
| 16:44.14 | thewiz | libkdegames-dev - KDE games library headers |
| 16:44.14 | thewiz | is |
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| 16:45.36 | stew | thewiz: why are you grepping for head? what are you looking for? kdelibs4-dev? |
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| 16:46.41 | GNU_Style | i compiled a custom kernel and installed it, is it safe to delete the /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.12 directory? and the linux-source-2.6.12.tar.bz2 file? |
| 16:47.28 | RvGaTe | good afternoon everybody |
| 16:47.55 | wols_ | GNU_Style: make a kernel header package. then it is |
| 16:48.17 | wols_ | tho, 2.6.12 is a bit old, no? |
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| 16:48.45 | SimonRaven | @kernel |
| 16:48.48 | GNU_Style | how to make a kernel header package? |
| 16:48.57 | ravenbird | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.16, snapshot: 2.6.16-git8, 2.4: 2.4.32, prepatch: 2.4.33-pre2, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, 2.0: 2.0.40, -ac patch: 2.6.11-ac7, -mm patch: 2.6.16-mm1 |
| 16:49.11 | SimonRaven | man make-kpkg |
| 16:49.29 | thewiz | i am looking for the kde headers |
| 16:49.30 | wols_ | make-kpkg --targets |
| 16:49.46 | wols_ | thewiz: kdelibs dev package probably |
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| 16:50.57 | GNU_Style | how do I make a kernel header package? |
| 16:51.57 | jnco | whast unmount in debian |
| 16:51.58 | jnco | the cmd |
| 16:52.03 | jnco | says not found |
| 16:52.12 | evaded | umount |
| 16:52.25 | evaded | jnco: ^^ |
| 16:52.32 | jnco | hehe |
| 16:52.38 | jnco | cough total newb cough |
| 16:52.40 | nvz | GNU_Style: man make-kpkg |
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| 16:52.55 | falco_toadfoot | I don't seem to be able to build http://www.saillard.org/linux/pwc/files/pwc-10.0.11.tar.bz2 |
| 16:53.02 | falco_toadfoot | I run "make" with no errors, but when I do make install, it complains about pwc.ko not existing |
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| 16:53.31 | falco_toadfoot | it's like "make" doesn't really make anything... |
| 16:54.21 | nvz | falco_toadfoot: stop repeating off topic stuff every 10 minutes |
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| 16:55.16 | thingfish | nvz: *you're* telling people to not be off-topic? ;) |
| 16:55.24 | thingfish | I mean I'm bad enough... |
| 16:55.46 | falco_toadfoot | nvz: not really ot, since it built fine in 2.6.15 |
| 16:56.40 | nvz | thingfish: being off-topic at 3am when nobody is talking and expecting people to answer and off-topic question during normal high volume hours of operation after repeating the 3 line question every ten minutes is different |
| 16:56.41 | evaded | !rules |
| 16:56.41 | dpkg | [rules] 1) Don't ask to ask. Just state your problem, 2) Don't repeat until 15 mins after, 3) Read and re-read the docs first, then admit it if you REALLY don't understand. You're wasting your time and ours if you haven't at least tried. 4) If your problem ain't solved, come back in 12 hrs or 24 hrs later. We're very international. 5) Be polite and patient. |
| 16:57.21 | nvz | falco_toadfoot: I have no idea what _it_ is because you didnt say.. and its off-topic because if it was on topic you could just apt-get install it. |
| 16:57.24 | thewiz | i found the package i wanted and installed it ... now configure ran perfectly no errors ..... but make is having alot of errors |
| 16:57.26 | thewiz | why ? |
| 16:57.31 | foo | Alright, I made a subscreen within screen but it froze. Is there a way to kill it without killing the whole screen? |
| 16:58.03 | thingfish | nvz: well, I won't say any more on the topic, but I've not ever been up at 3 a.m. in the channel - but during normal daylight hours, I've seen plenty from you. Not that it's bad, just that it sounded funny coming from you. |
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| 16:58.20 | wols_ | foo: kill the bash instance inside the screen |
| 16:58.22 | falco_toadfoot | nvz: it is a kernel module for the philips web cameras |
| 16:58.27 | wols_ | or whatever program there that hangs |
| 16:58.29 | nvz | falco_toadfoot: compiling random kernel modules is an LKML question or something. |
| 16:58.30 | thingfish | I mean, I like off topic, too, sometimes - especially during happy hour. |
| 16:58.38 | nvz | or the developers of te drive |
| 16:58.51 | abrotman | falco_toadfoot: and what kernel are you on now? |
| 16:58.53 | falco_toadfoot | what is LKML? |
| 16:58.57 | abrotman | !lkml |
| 16:58.57 | dpkg | lkml is probably the linux kernel mailing list (read /usr/src/linux/REPORTING-BUGS before you post there and ALSO read http://www.tux.org/lkml/ |
| 16:58.59 | falco_toadfoot | 2.6.16, abrotman |
| 16:59.06 | foo | wols_: I have like 15 instances of bash open ... how do I know which one it is? |
| 16:59.41 | yggdrasil_ | ive got a n intel 82830cgc video card in this laptop and it crashes whenever i switch from x to console.. wouldnt bother me much except that it does same thing trying to get in and out of vmware full screen... where can i check for anew driver or something ? |
| 16:59.42 | abrotman | falco_toadfoot: the one in sid or your own? |
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| 16:59.56 | falco_toadfoot | abrotman: the one in sid, yes |
| 17:00.07 | falco_toadfoot | precompiled |
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| 17:00.20 | abrotman | falco_toadfoot: check the config .. see what that module isn't there i guess |
| 17:00.24 | thewiz | i installed the kde-headers and now the configure for dekorator ran perfectly with no errors... but when i do make .... it comes with a lot of different errors |
| 17:00.35 | paul | hey all |
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| 17:00.49 | falco_toadfoot | abrotman: which config? |
| 17:00.50 | nvz | paul: hello |
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| 17:00.54 | nvz | heh |
| 17:00.59 | paul | anyone had experience with RAID 1 and Debian ?? |
| 17:01.07 | nvz | falco_toadfoot: the kernel config, duh /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 17:01.08 | thewiz | deKoratorclient.cc:1196: error: invalid use of member ` |
| 17:01.08 | thewiz | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:01.16 | paul | I'm having a little trouble getting to grips with the information in the documentation. |
| 17:01.55 | nvz | paul: dont hold your usage poll here, ask google if anyone ever used raid1, or ask a specific question |
| 17:02.02 | falco_toadfoot | abrotman: CONFIG_USB_PWC=m |
| 17:02.20 | nvz | paul: there are people that have used raid1 and they would rather know what problems you are having before they help you so try again. |
| 17:02.47 | abrotman | falco_toadfoot: updatedb && locate pwc.ko |
| 17:02.51 | abrotman | !find pwc.ko sid |
| 17:03.02 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'pwc.ko' (3 of 12): (/lib/modules/2.6.16-1-k7/kernel/drivers/usb/media/pwc/pwc.ko) in base/linux-image-2.6.16-1-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.15-1-k7/kernel/drivers/usb/media/pwc/pwc.ko) in base/linux-image-2.6.15-1-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.15-1-686/kernel/drivers/usb/media/pwc/pwc.ko) in base/linux-image-2.6.15-1-686. |
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| 17:03.14 | paul | ok then. my main question is this: can I install the basics ( creating boot, swap and root partitions ) first and *then* create my RAID 1 partitions afterwards or is it all done during the installation ? |
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| 17:03.16 | falco_toadfoot | huh.. |
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| 17:03.31 | falco_toadfoot | abrotman: didn't know it was included.. |
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| 17:04.38 | paul | i basically wana use say 10gb of the first disk for /, /boot and swap, then create say a 70gb partition on hda that is mirrored on hdb. |
| 17:04.38 | jsmidt | I need to get a hold of freenode staff. It tells me how to finf if there are staff members on, on the page http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#messageyou. But how do I send them a message? |
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| 17:04.52 | shyru | esos!! |
| 17:04.52 | nvz | paul: I've never done RAID, but I've done LVM from the installer.. and heres what I say.. one its way easier from the installer if you dont know how to do it manually.. and 2 how are you gonna get data onto it after its made.. seems easier to make the RAID then put the stuff on it. |
| 17:04.54 | shyru | que pex??? |
| 17:05.08 | abrotman | !es |
| 17:05.08 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:05.31 | nvz | paul: if D-I does raid1, which I think it does *shrug* it would most likely be a lot easier to setup in that curses dialog than on the command-line when you know not what you are doing. |
| 17:06.01 | shyru | dpkg, take it easy, i do not that channel was entry |
| 17:06.01 | paul | nva: ok thanks, i'll go check the documentation to see if it's something the D-I can take care of. |
| 17:06.09 | nvz | !ig |
| 17:06.09 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
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| 17:06.52 | paul | nvz: but I'm not really after having the entire disk mirrored, just one partition. |
| 17:06.59 | paul | nvz: thanks anwyays. |
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| 17:09.11 | Raymix | yo |
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| 17:09.31 | abrotman | paul: rsync? |
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| 17:09.51 | abrotman | that tard was trying to join as root yesterday too |
| 17:10.30 | paul | abrotman: does rsync perform as fast as software RAID ? i planned to have the mysql data mirrored and want as few potential bottleknecks as possible. |
| 17:10.34 | yggdrasil_ | ive got a n intel 82830cgc video card in this laptop and it crashes whenever i switch from x to console.. wouldnt bother me much except that it does same thing trying to get in and out of vmware full screen... where can i check for anew driver or something ? |
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| 17:10.59 | mbu | hello |
| 17:11.37 | jnco | hi |
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| 17:11.50 | jnco | so whats this /dev/cdrom isnt a valid block device business? |
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| 17:12.46 | abrotman | paul: i wasn't aware you wanted real time .. if so .. use RAID |
| 17:12.47 | carbocation | Hi! I wanna help with a LG WebPro2 Webcam... |
| 17:13.28 | paul | abrotman: is ok. thanks for your help. |
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| 17:13.35 | carbocation | I found: WiredOne:/home/carbocation# lsusb |
| 17:13.49 | carbocation | Bus 002 Device 003: ID 05a9:4519 OmniVision Technologies, Inc. |
| 17:14.08 | isilzha_ | hi. is there a way to install xorg version 7.0 on sid? |
| 17:14.22 | isilzha_ | or is this only possible on etch? |
| 17:14.27 | carbocation | But the ov511 driver dont work... |
| 17:14.40 | abrotman | isilzha_: it's in experimental .. and could be very broken |
| 17:14.57 | cbr | it's about to be uploaded to unstable in the end of this week |
| 17:15.01 | cbr | atleast it was announced so |
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| 17:15.17 | abrotman | cbr: assuming every thing goes as planned |
| 17:15.32 | jnco | someone help me mount this cdrom.. it used to mount.. now.. no mounty =/ |
| 17:16.07 | isilzha_ | abrotman: actually it doesn't work for me. that's why i hoped 7.0 could help. for now i'm not even able to start x. i guess there is no choice then than to go back to xfree86. thanks anyway |
| 17:16.43 | cbr | isilzha_: how doesnt it work? |
| 17:16.47 | jnco | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:16.54 | jnco | (debian rather) |
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| 17:17.34 | wols_ | mount -t iso9660 /dev/device /mnt/cdrom |
| 17:17.34 | wols_ | done |
| 17:17.49 | wols_ | jnco: dmesg |less |
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| 17:18.32 | _fluffee | I seem to be missing an essential directory for making madwifi: build, in /lib/modules/2.4.27-2.386 that is, I need /lib/modules/2.4.27-2.386/build and presumably its contents. Synaptic isn't providing an immediate clue as to what I ought install to gather same. |
| 17:18.35 | jnco | device eh.. |
| 17:18.36 | jnco | i see |
| 17:19.31 | jnco | mount point doesnt exist |
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| 17:19.41 | jnco | ./mnt/cdrom |
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| 17:20.18 | jnco | its hdc |
| 17:20.19 | jnco | word |
| 17:20.21 | jnco | thanks |
| 17:20.27 | jnco | dmesg owns |
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| 17:20.41 | u | DKDKDKDDDJFKFCKMVV |
| 17:20.45 | u | CDFDDFS |
| 17:20.47 | u | SD |
| 17:20.48 | u | FFD |
| 17:20.51 | carbocation | Someone can help me with a webcam? |
| 17:20.53 | jnco | asfioah8r2y45 w4t6wrt |
| 17:20.58 | u | RPV |
| 17:21.01 | u | RPV |
| 17:21.05 | u | RPV |
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| 17:21.18 | carbocation | I'm trying to configure a webpro2 (LG) |
| 17:21.31 | u | JILIPOYAS |
| 17:21.49 | carbocation | with omnivision chipset... |
| 17:21.53 | u | HIJO DE PU |
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| 17:22.18 | carbocation | I have tried ov511 driver but nothing work... |
| 17:22.21 | cy_ | hello.. |
| 17:22.25 | u | QUIEN MIERDA ERES |
| 17:22.59 | cy_ | after i upgraded X.Org i dont have any keyboard functionality (except the letter "e" and "tab" and "enter") .. no errors at all :( |
| 17:23.02 | u | HELLO Y UNA MIERDA HELLO |
| 17:23.16 | cy_ | anyone might know where this problem could be nested within ? |
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| 17:23.46 | u | WO YOU NAME? |
| 17:23.54 | stew | u: stop |
| 17:24.09 | waxiewhite | how is apt-get upgrade vs apt-get update different?? |
| 17:24.14 | stew | u: turn off caps lock, and speak only english in here |
| 17:24.23 | u | BETE A LA MIERDA INGLES |
| 17:24.36 | stew | !wikifaq waxiewhite PackageManagement |
| 17:24.36 | dpkg | waxiewhite: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/PackageManagement or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 17:25.09 | u | YO ME LIMPIO EL CULO CON LA BANDERA INGLESA |
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| 17:25.33 | waxiewhite | mi prami rodo. |
| 17:25.38 | waxiewhite | coi rodo. |
| 17:25.57 | shatten | hi |
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| 17:26.24 | stew | waxiewhite: update means update the list of available pacakges, upgrade means install new versions of installed pacakges, man apt-get |
| 17:26.27 | tziku | hello, i have Debian Unstable, and i want to be stable (HeHe) :) how can i do theat ? |
| 17:26.42 | stew | tziku: reinstall, /msg dpkg d-i |
| 17:26.51 | Myon | tziku: basically you can't |
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| 17:27.07 | wols_ | or wait until a new stable is out (approx 2.5 years from now) |
| 17:27.16 | Myon | if you try, you can succeed by using lots of --force, but it won't be fun |
| 17:27.32 | evilbulgarian | hi, how can i setup syslogd to get all the data from a linksys box which has a syslog option? |
| 17:27.39 | yggdrasil_ | how can i tel what ver of xfree i have ? |
| 17:28.08 | Myon | evilbulgarian: vi /etc/init.d/sysklogd |
| 17:28.13 | Myon | yggdrasil_: xdpyinfo |
| 17:28.14 | stew | evilbulgarian: the /etc/init.d/sysklogd mentions -r |
| 17:28.40 | evilbulgarian | Myon, stew : thanks! |
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| 17:29.17 | tjostolf | tziku: or you can install stable on another partition and have booth alternatives |
| 17:29.59 | yggdrasil_ | hmmm... |
| 17:30.24 | yggdrasil_ | well i guesse this video card jsut cant be fully used in linux |
| 17:31.34 | tziku | i already have all 14 cds |
| 17:32.03 | tziku | but the system dosn't have some libs , and other stuff. |
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| 17:32.57 | tjostolf | tziku: are you talking about unstable? |
| 17:33.04 | tziku | yes... |
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| 17:33.21 | DevilChaos | hi |
| 17:33.21 | davis | hello |
| 17:33.56 | tjostolf | tziku: well isn't that unstable, ha,ha .. i use stable |
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| 17:34.35 | tjostolf | tziku: try updating over the net |
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| 17:35.15 | davis | I want to verify none of my users have simple passwords set. i.e login = passwd. So I installed Crack and Crack-md5. I ran both and then ran Crack-Reporter and no passwds were cracked. However, I created a login id with a password equal to the login id and it was not detected. What is the deal? |
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| 17:35.30 | tjostolf | tziku: unstable is changing all the time.. |
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| 17:36.09 | tziku | and stable ? |
| 17:37.06 | tjostolf | tziku: changing seldom: mostly security updates |
| 17:37.15 | Eulex | stable is what it is, until a new stable is released. except for security updates |
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| 17:37.40 | elPepo | hi friends |
| 17:37.53 | tziku | how can i download last security updates ? |
| 17:39.48 | kronoz | tziku: apt-get update |
| 17:39.49 | elPepo | please, Which download manager can split a file and then donwload each part simultaneously? |
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| 17:40.24 | tziku | thanks :D |
| 17:40.25 | hueh | can anyone suggest an alternative to x0rfbserver - ie. works in exactly same way - can share my debian desktop but has better performance than x0rfbserver? |
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| 17:40.27 | kronoz | tziku: apt-get upgrade as well |
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| 17:40.41 | tziku | Dubble thanks :D |
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| 17:41.07 | davis | where can i find some assistance on the crack program for debian? |
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| 17:42.15 | GoAuLd | what crack program? |
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| 17:44.14 | DevilChaos | ok if i were downloading sources lists for packages from france would they be in french sorry my small mind is tripping me the day? |
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| 17:45.11 | Eulex | DevilChaos, no. all fully working debian mirrors have the same contents |
| 17:45.34 | DevilChaos | lol thank you |
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| 17:45.58 | yggdrasil_ | my laptops screen stays on when i close its "lid" how can i make this work.? |
| 17:46.13 | rvsjoen | how can I make a command run at a specific time ? (one time only) |
| 17:46.26 | yggdrasil_ | cron |
| 17:46.33 | kronoz | rvsjoen: crontab maybe |
| 17:46.37 | yggdrasil_ | google how to setup a crontab |
| 17:46.46 | rvsjoen | wouldn't that execute it on a regular basis ? |
| 17:46.56 | foka | yggdrasil_, It depends very much on what laptop you have. |
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| 17:47.11 | yggdrasil_ | foka its a del latitude |
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| 17:47.23 | kronoz | rvsjoen: not if you set it to execute on a certain time and date then remove it after it has executed |
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| 17:47.34 | foka | Unfortunately, I don't know much about that model. :-) |
| 17:47.34 | rvsjoen | thanks |
| 17:47.51 | foka | yggdrasil_, Have you tried searching on Google? |
| 17:47.54 | yggdrasil_ | yea |
| 17:48.01 | zoldar | hi, does anybody know if it is possible to set "raw" command for check_command in services in nagios 2.x? in 1.x it was possible with quotes around the command and arguments |
| 17:48.22 | yggdrasil_ | whats tha tfeature called ? |
| 17:48.23 | foka | Any luck? There are probably other Debian (or other Linux) Dell Latitude users like you who are trying or who have solved the same problem. |
| 17:48.26 | yggdrasil_ | maybe i can refine my search |
| 17:50.13 | crypt_ex | How do I get grep to search for something OR something. ie cat file | grep cat or dog? |
| 17:50.17 | foka | http://www.linux-laptop.net/ may help too. |
| 17:50.27 | foka | Your laptop might be listed in the articles index on that site. |
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| 17:50.46 | stew | crypt_ex: egrep "(cat|dog)" |
| 17:51.03 | dede | hi |
| 17:51.04 | yggdrasil_ | hmm yea i think im gonna try dapper on it |
| 17:51.51 | yggdrasil_ | i dont know |
| 17:52.18 | jnco | ugh this is so annoying |
| 17:52.19 | yggdrasil_ | ubuntu seemed to have all the buttons working the sound works better in debian.. its apesky little laptop to get goin right |
| 17:52.35 | jnco | hdc: ADAPTI 24X CDROM |
| 17:52.40 | jnco | ok now how do i mount this fucker ugh! |
| 17:52.49 | jnco | mount /dev/hdc /diasdja |
| 17:52.50 | jnco | right |
| 17:52.52 | jnco | danget all! |
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| 17:53.10 | crypt_ex | Stew egrep is new to me |
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| 17:53.23 | stew | crypt_ex: its the same as grep -e |
| 17:53.31 | crypt_ex | ah |
| 17:53.34 | crypt_ex | thanks :) |
| 17:53.45 | Fare | Hi! What could cause unicode characters to display well on one debian machine and not at all on another (using mozilla/galeon/konqueror) |
| 17:53.58 | yggdrasil_ | ahh just found an awesome page..;0) |
| 17:54.11 | disposable | what option do i need to pass to the kernel if i dont want the system to get to runlevel 5? (i need runlevel 2) |
| 17:54.15 | Fare | yggdrasil_, did you use the original yggdrasil linux distribution? |
| 17:54.22 | yggdrasil_ | hehe fare no i.. |
| 17:54.26 | Fare | disposable: 2 |
| 17:54.30 | yggdrasil_ | i got my name from a much older source. |
| 17:54.32 | crypt_ex | stew, thanks, works with egrep, but not with grep -e |
| 17:54.35 | crypt_ex | strange |
| 17:54.37 | yggdrasil_ | the tree.. the famous tree. |
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| 17:55.34 | disposable | Fare: i had that, didn't help. i had "kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/hda6 2 ro etc...." didn't help |
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| 17:56.56 | Fare | disposable: maybe your init is hosed |
| 17:57.03 | wireddd | I really hate the nvidia driver |
| 17:57.07 | Fare | you can kernel init=/bin/sh then exec /sbin/init 2 |
| 17:57.07 | disposable | Fare, wtf hosed? |
| 17:57.46 | slushpupie | so I think I found a kernel bug, but Im not sure. I get an Oops, but I dont know what to do with it, any hints? |
| 17:57.48 | jnco | someone help me real fast, when debian starts up it says hdc: Adapti CDROM 24X yet i cant mount it, it worked ONCE before.. now i have no idea whats wrong |
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| 17:58.10 | Acid`X | !ping |
| 17:58.11 | dpkg | pong |
| 17:58.20 | disposable | Fare, will try that /bin/sh bit |
| 17:58.26 | yggdrasil_ | ha vmware is funny. windowsxp controlled |
| 18:00.38 | yggdrasil_ | anyone on 2.6.16 ? |
| 18:00.40 | Fare | disposable: or you can edit /etc/inittab to have 2 be the default |
| 18:00.42 | yggdrasil_ | is it stable now ? |
| 18:00.53 | Fare | yggdrasil: linus thinks it is |
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| 18:01.03 | yggdrasil_ | hmm.. intesting |
| 18:01.04 | Fare | yggdrasil: why should *my* opinion count more? |
| 18:01.10 | yggdrasil_ | hah |
| 18:01.18 | yggdrasil_ | maybe ill poke at it today |
| 18:01.20 | yggdrasil_ | or this weekend |
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| 18:01.29 | grandma | anyone know how i can go about getting my LCD display on laptop to poweroff after XX minutes? |
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| 18:01.46 | yggdrasil_ | wow grandmas are using linux now ? |
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| 18:01.59 | jnco | hehe |
| 18:02.00 | grandma | not another one... |
| 18:02.01 | jnco | whos grandma... |
| 18:02.06 | jnco | oh. |
| 18:02.06 | jnco | hi |
| 18:02.16 | jnco | shes in irc too |
| 18:02.17 | jnco | wow |
| 18:02.20 | jnco | nerd grandma |
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| 18:04.29 | yggdrasil_ | i guesse ill try that new kernel and build it up for this laptop that will prob solve some issues |
| 18:06.36 | livingtm | I've never used vmware... does anyone know if you can point it to an existing partition and run the os on it? |
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| 18:06.48 | yggdrasil_ | whats the easiest way to dl the kernel source ? apt-get or just weget ? |
| 18:06.57 | wols_ | livingtm: no |
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| 18:07.30 | markit | hi, is there a way to remove with purge packages that start with a certain prefix? like a sort of dpkg --purge openoffice.org* ? |
| 18:08.15 | livingtm | wols_, so one wouldneed to "install" from scratch? |
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| 18:08.32 | carlos_marino | ayuda |
| 18:08.46 | carlos_marino | necesito instalat por ftp local debian |
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| 18:09.19 | Eulex | !es |
| 18:09.19 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:09.34 | carlos_marino | ok |
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| 18:12.14 | [ex]hungry-hobo | niiice |
| 18:12.18 | [ex]hungry-hobo | thats impressive |
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| 18:13.35 | nvz | yggdrasil_: I'd have my grandma on linux, but there are no greeting card shoppe programs |
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| 18:13.50 | nvz | yggdrasil_: or support for her all-in-one printer/scanner/copier |
| 18:13.55 | yggdrasil_ | 1haha |
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| 18:14.06 | grandma | nvz: i've seen something like that |
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| 18:14.19 | yggdrasil_ | there now card problems ? |
| 18:14.20 | grandma | and i have a printer/scanner/copier |
| 18:14.26 | yggdrasil_ | uh there no card programs |
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| 18:14.42 | creative | hi |
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| 18:14.51 | creative | hello |
| 18:15.19 | yggdrasil_ | where can i get the new kernel source at ? |
| 18:15.20 | nvz | grandma: I've not seen any greeting card programs that run on linux.. and thats one of her primary uses for the pc is sending out cards to everyone on earth for every possible holiday. that and playing Taipai, which isnt in linux either.. but Mahjongg is |
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| 18:16.10 | creative | yggdrasil_: maybe kernel.org |
| 18:16.13 | zinx | nvz: |
| 18:16.14 | zinx | Package: ace-of-penguins |
| 18:16.28 | zinx | The package consists of the games Pegged, Minesweeper, Solitaire, Taipei (together with a level editor), Golf, Mastermind, Merlin and Freecell. |
| 18:16.35 | nvz | zinx: have you ever played the ace-of-penguins games |
| 18:16.43 | zinx | nvz: sure haven't. |
| 18:16.49 | nvz | zinx: well they are horrible. and not worth the download |
| 18:17.42 | nvz | zinx: they look like their graphic interface was designed by a one armed crosseyed retarted toddler |
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| 18:17.52 | jnco | someone help me mount this cdrom |
| 18:17.56 | jnco | im a failure |
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| 18:18.09 | GyrosGeier | Hm |
| 18:18.09 | nvz | you can drop that package from debian and nobody would even complain |
| 18:18.13 | jnco | when i start debian it says hdc: ADAPTI CDROM 24X. so it detects it |
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| 18:18.17 | multi_io | hey, try this command: xterm luit |
| 18:18.23 | jnco | but i try to mount /dev/hdc |
| 18:18.24 | jnco | no dice |
| 18:18.27 | jnco | what am i doing wrong? |
| 18:18.28 | jnco | =) |
| 18:18.34 | grandma | nvz: why not contribute and make it better? |
| 18:18.35 | GyrosGeier | is there any component that stays running after an user who used KDE has logged out? |
| 18:18.37 | multi_io | it shoudl start an xterm, and in it a luit, right? |
| 18:19.17 | GyrosGeier | whenever my GF has used my computer, load is between 10 and 20, and video playing or CD burning is right out of the question |
| 18:19.47 | creative | hi all ,what terminal do you use ? |
| 18:19.54 | GyrosGeier | uxterm |
| 18:19.55 | grandma | yakuake |
| 18:20.03 | GyrosGeier | uxterm > * |
| 18:20.13 | nvz | grandma: I have no interest in that software at all, and I have no ability to do layout and design.. if my task was to create a single window with an OK button I could spend the rest of my life nit-picking over insignificant details of how it would appear and never accomplish anything. if a question doesnt have a definate calculable answer I cant answer it I lack creativity |
| 18:20.15 | yggdrasil_ | creative thanks |
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| 18:20.17 | grandma | yakuake uses konsole for the guts i think |
| 18:20.24 | dumezil | im looking for a program to partition and format 40 disks in the exact way... any suggestions? |
| 18:20.54 | GyrosGeier | dumezil, for i in `seq 1 40`; do ... |
| 18:21.20 | grandma | nvz: so i don't see why you're picking over someone else's creativity :0P |
| 18:21.44 | dumezil | GyrosGeier what if the disks are described by /dev/sdb - /dev/sdao ? |
| 18:22.29 | nvz | grandma: yeah well like me, they should know that there are things they can and cannot do. mille from bsd games is perfectly usable.. without a GUI now xmille with its huge interface that doesnt even fit on your screen unless you can do like 1600x1200 resolution is nearly usless.. some people just shouldnt bother |
| 18:22.57 | GyrosGeier | dumezil, then I'd ask you why you haven't formed a volume group yet |
| 18:23.13 | grandma | hmm...you might need to get out more |
| 18:23.22 | nvz | heh |
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| 18:23.43 | dumezil | GyrosGeier cause the disks are of unknown reliability and i want to throughly test them before making them into a volume group |
| 18:25.02 | jnco | someone help me mount my cdrom |
| 18:25.02 | jnco | . |
| 18:25.04 | jnco | please. |
| 18:25.08 | jnco | fustrated. |
| 18:25.18 | dumezil | jnco describe your problems |
| 18:25.27 | kingspawn | jnco: mount -t iso9660 /dev/whatever /wherever |
| 18:25.32 | GyrosGeier | dumezil, echo sd{,a}{a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,j,k,l,m,n,o,p,q,r,s,t,u,v,w,x,y,z} >/tmp/file |
| 18:25.45 | jnco | ok. i did dmsg |more right, and it lists hdc: ADAPTI 24X CDROM |
| 18:25.52 | jnco | i try to mount /dev/hdc |
| 18:25.55 | GyrosGeier | dumezil, then remove all that you don't want to touch or that don't exist with an editor |
| 18:26.00 | jnco | no dice. it worked once before |
| 18:26.12 | kingspawn | well, what's it tell you, then? |
| 18:26.17 | kingspawn | i bet it doesnt say "no dice" |
| 18:26.20 | dumezil | GyrosGeier ahh great i can work with that... thanks so much |
| 18:26.23 | jnco | all of a sudden i think |
| 18:26.25 | GyrosGeier | dumezil, np |
| 18:26.26 | jnco | something is happening |
| 18:26.40 | GyrosGeier | dumezil, this is always a solution if it needs to work only once. |
| 18:27.14 | jnco | ok it just spun up, but then /mnt/cdrom does not exist |
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| 18:27.34 | nvz | /mnt/cdrom should not exist. |
| 18:27.39 | nvz | you should use /media/cdrom |
| 18:27.41 | jnco | mount: /dev/hdc is writeprotected , mounting read only |
| 18:27.47 | jnco | oh ah thanks |
| 18:27.53 | jnco | i can just put anything right |
| 18:28.02 | jnco | mount /dev/hdc /WHOA/HELLTEST |
| 18:28.05 | jnco | will mount it there? |
| 18:28.12 | kingspawn | yes |
| 18:28.16 | jnco | ok |
| 18:28.25 | nvz | because its the FHS, and all other apps respect /media/cdrom.. and in KDE/GNOME for example it automatically gets put on your desktop when mounted to the right location /media/ |
| 18:28.41 | jnco | interesting |
| 18:28.45 | jnco | whats FHS |
| 18:28.48 | jnco | if you mind me asking |
| 18:28.49 | nvz | !FHS |
| 18:28.49 | dpkg | methinks fhs is the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard and is at http://www.pathname.com/fhs/, or included in the debian-policy package |
| 18:28.53 | dumezil | GyrosGeier is there a way to make it add a newline at the end of each of the strings? |
| 18:28.53 | justin | nvz: generally that stuff works based on what is mounted, not where it is mounted |
| 18:29.03 | jnco | interesting |
| 18:29.07 | GyrosGeier | dumezil, | tr ' ' '\n' |
| 18:29.21 | nvz | justin: generally the desktop environments work on whats mounted to /media/ reguardless of _what_ it is |
| 18:29.34 | jnco | now it says /media/cdrom doesnt not exist |
| 18:29.50 | jnco | do i somehow need to create it |
| 18:29.53 | justin | nvz: last time I was messign with stuff, I mounted something to ~/data and gnome stuck an icon on the desktop |
| 18:30.10 | jnco | ok |
| 18:30.12 | kingspawn | jnco: yes, you need to create folders to use them |
| 18:30.14 | nvz | justin: hmm that may require hal and udev and stuff |
| 18:30.22 | jnco | maybe im doing this wrong ok ok i will do that |
| 18:30.24 | kingspawn | folders |
| 18:30.24 | nvz | I dont use any of that, but mounting to /media/ works for me |
| 18:30.28 | kingspawn | hahah, i said folders |
| 18:30.34 | justin | nvz: it likely requires it, but you get the same info from /proc/mounts |
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| 18:30.41 | jnco | not a folder.. mount point |
| 18:30.48 | kingspawn | or "directory" |
| 18:30.50 | kingspawn | agh |
| 18:30.55 | jnco | wanna tell me the cmd to create it |
| 18:30.59 | jnco | i would look it up... |
| 18:31.12 | nvz | justin: well it has to differentiate some how.. my / and /home..etc are not on my desktop but my /media/ mounts are |
| 18:31.14 | jnco | what is it exactly, a mount point i am creating yes |
| 18:31.16 | jnco | or a folder |
| 18:31.19 | kingspawn | jnco: mkdir |
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| 18:31.33 | kingspawn | jnco: a mount point and a directory are the same |
| 18:31.35 | jnco | its a directory (folder) i am creating |
| 18:31.35 | jnco | ok |
| 18:31.42 | jnco | this is very informative thank you |
| 18:31.44 | kingspawn | never say folder again |
| 18:31.49 | nvz | justin: maybe it works mounting to your homdir or /media/ |
| 18:31.50 | kingspawn | it was just me blowing my own mind |
| 18:31.51 | kingspawn | :) |
| 18:31.59 | justin | nvz: doubt it, it's pretty smart |
| 18:32.34 | jnco | this is so strange why would mkdir say cannot create no such file or directory |
| 18:32.54 | jnco | "mkdir /media/cdrom" |
| 18:32.58 | jnco | i need the ~ |
| 18:32.59 | jnco | ? |
| 18:33.09 | jnco | i need to make media first |
| 18:33.13 | kingspawn | the ~ denotes your home folder, so no |
| 18:33.15 | netman1 | jnco: because it already exists, maybe even as as file. |
| 18:33.30 | jnco | but i just sigh... |
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| 18:33.41 | kingspawn | jnco: is the /media dir there? |
| 18:33.45 | kingspawn | if not, create away. |
| 18:33.48 | jnco | no i must create it first huh |
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| 18:34.34 | jnco | SUCCESS! VICTORY IS MINE! |
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| 18:34.43 | dumezil | in a regex how do i specify the newline character? |
| 18:34.44 | nvz | justin: well I have no idea how it works. but I do know that if I mount something to /mnt/ like my mp3 player or a cdrom it doesnt show up on my desktop, and when I mount it to /media/ it does.. cause I just did it as root with the Debian 3.1 r1 i386 binary 2 cd |
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| 18:34.51 | Aronofsky | i got a probleme how can I got konqueror to open .rar files as it opens .zip ? |
| 18:34.58 | kingspawn | jnco: indeed, victory is yours :) |
| 18:35.05 | justin | nvz: it may be set to ignore /mnt |
| 18:35.14 | kingspawn | dumezil: \n work? |
| 18:35.18 | nvz | justin: possibly *shrug* |
| 18:35.44 | dumezil | "1,$s/blah/\nblah/g" it just adds n to the beginning... |
| 18:36.00 | nvz | justin: doesnt come up when I mount /dev/hdc /home/nvz/nvz/ |
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| 18:36.18 | justin | nvz: *shrug* :-) |
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| 18:36.25 | kingspawn | dumezil: im guessing quoting is needed if it works at all. |
| 18:36.34 | nvz | justin: only when I mount it to /media/ so I gather it just works with /media/ but again I just have nautilus, no gnome, hal, udev.. nothing like that. |
| 18:37.02 | jnco | i swear i saw vm-tools-aeuahwe.tar.gz before |
| 18:37.06 | jnco | now i see the cdrom regularly |
| 18:37.13 | jnco | hmm |
| 18:37.59 | nvz | jnco: if /media/ isnt there you are either not using debian, or you installed before sarge released.. i.e. before debian adopted FHS |
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| 18:38.08 | dumezil | kingspawn nope... quoting doesn't work... ohh well i'll add the newlines manually to 100+ lines... yeah! |
| 18:38.22 | nvz | or someone removed it |
| 18:38.34 | kingspawn | dumezil: i bet googling "regex newline" will get you somewhere |
| 18:38.38 | jnco | im fine nvz everything is working ok |
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| 18:38.54 | jnco | i wish i could get this login gui xdm to work |
| 18:38.55 | jnco | however |
| 18:39.16 | jnco | VMWARE: failed to write-combing range |
| 18:39.24 | jnco | VMWARE: failed to write-combining range |
| 18:39.45 | creative | exit |
| 18:39.57 | kingspawn | dumezil: is it perl? |
| 18:39.58 | creative | how to quit irssi ? |
| 18:39.59 | jnco | this should not happen! an unresolved function was called! |
| 18:40.03 | kingspawn | creative: /quit |
| 18:40.12 | jnco | heh. |
| 18:40.16 | kingspawn | indeed |
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| 18:40.29 | jnco | king are u any good with the login managers |
| 18:40.32 | jnco | xdm ect.. |
| 18:40.56 | kingspawn | not at all |
| 18:41.14 | Badenser | Hi, whats the easiest way to configure my printer driver so I'll receive what I send (and not 8mm shifted) ? |
| 18:41.27 | Aronofsky | anyone here can tell how to have konqueror to open .rar files as it opens .zip ? |
| 18:41.27 | Eulex | jnco, we can't support vmware in here. |
| 18:41.40 | dumezil | kingspawn no its just vi |
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| 18:43.04 | grendal_prime | this is a stupid question, but umm how do i set the default desktop to kde... from a terminal. im loggin into this machine and trying to demonstrate something but it keeps loading up gnome |
| 18:43.14 | grendal_prime | its using kdm |
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| 18:46.46 | YEsKaMoN | buenas tardes |
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| 18:48.02 | t35t0r | how do i flush the queue in cups? |
| 18:48.09 | eleckttruss | YEsKaMoN, hi man, este canal es en ingles.... |
| 18:48.19 | YEsKaMoN | ok |
| 18:48.40 | YEsKaMoN | the channel in spanish is? |
| 18:48.52 | jelly | t35t0r: lprm? |
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| 18:49.37 | jelly | t35t0r: no, cancel |
| 18:49.39 | boogie | !es |
| 18:49.39 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:50.12 | jnco | grendal, im a newbie but you have to change it within the login manager config |
| 18:50.23 | jnco | which is.. theres a config file somewhere |
| 18:50.30 | jnco | i cant remember the path |
| 18:50.31 | jnco | =/ |
| 18:50.46 | t35t0r | jelly, how do i figure out which job is going to which printer from lpq ? |
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| 18:53.21 | tziku | i want to copy al my 14 Debian Cds on a folder. and then when i run apt-get some packets to get from /debian/ for example...but there how i put cds ? all in 1 folder and make a separate folder foar each cd ? |
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| 18:54.19 | grendal_prime | ya well ive done it in the past...just cant remember |
| 18:54.21 | grendal_prime | grrr |
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| 18:54.38 | eleckttruss | rubia, you can speak in spanish? |
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| 18:54.56 | eleckttruss | jajajajaja |
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| 18:55.30 | t35t0r | jelly, it's lprm -P printerName - |
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| 18:55.40 | _joey | how do I unarchive ace archive ? |
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| 18:55.48 | abrotman | unace .. like they told you yesterday |
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| 18:56.32 | Fare | hum. Can anyone help me with unicode font setup? |
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| 18:58.24 | _joey | yesterday? |
| 18:58.30 | _joey | I didn't ask it yesterday |
| 18:58.33 | _joey | :) |
| 18:59.25 | kingspawn | joey; you have fallen through a time hole |
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| 18:59.38 | _joey | I doubt |
| 18:59.39 | grendal_prime | abrotman, i need to edit "something" on a remote machine and reboot it so it will automatically come up to the users kde desktop. I have it autoloading the users account but keeps loading gnome I need to adjust the kdm menu default..where to do that? |
| 19:00.18 | _joey | people who chat often on irc would have fallen through a time hole first :) |
| 19:00.32 | kingspawn | so said your mother, actually (haha, im sorry) |
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| 19:01.31 | abrotman | grendal_prime: i don't use kdm .. try #debian-kde |
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| 19:01.52 | abrotman | Fare: that's a bit vague |
| 19:01.58 | rxed | I'm on testing. Ocationaly Debian would crash for no apparent reason. Is there a dtrace or something that I can use to submit and file the bug? |
| 19:02.08 | abrotman | for the whole OS ? |
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| 19:02.53 | rxed | Yes. The box crashed just few min ago and all I had open was xorg and one terminal. |
| 19:03.20 | abrotman | what wsa it doing? |
| 19:03.41 | rxed | abrotman: It wasn't doing anything. The whole thing was frozen. |
| 19:03.45 | _rene_ | does the (kernel) logs say something? (dmesg, messages= |
| 19:03.56 | _rene_ | eh, scratch dmesg |
| 19:04.00 | Fare | abrotman: on one of my debian-i386 machines, I can't get mozilla to display non-latin1 characters |
| 19:04.14 | Fare | like, chinese characters appear empty |
| 19:04.33 | Fare | I've installed mostly the same fonts, including the M$ ones |
| 19:06.14 | rxed | Ism't there a log that would help in this situation? |
| 19:06.22 | seb- | is there a way to verify no packages are hosed? |
| 19:06.49 | seb- | how can you confirm a random debian box wasn't botched somehow? |
| 19:07.15 | rezzen | to add to seb- question, is there any way to check intregity of all files provided by a package? |
| 19:07.45 | rezzen | similar to 'rpm -V pckgname' |
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| 19:08.24 | rxed | su |
| 19:08.26 | rxed | oops. |
| 19:08.28 | rxed | :) |
| 19:08.32 | seb- | rezzen: apt-get check ? |
| 19:08.36 | GyrosGeier | Password: |
| 19:08.45 | rxed | hehe |
| 19:08.53 | abrotman | Fare: dpkg-reconfigure locales .. see if that helps |
| 19:08.53 | weasel00 | how do i do a sockstat to see if my server is listening to port 443? |
| 19:09.03 | abrotman | !open ports |
| 19:09.03 | dpkg | from memory, open ports is netstat -plunt, or lsof -i -n, or (also, see 'open files') |
| 19:09.04 | rezzen | seb- no, that verifies that there are no broken deps. |
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| 19:09.16 | weasel00 | abrotman : thnak you =) |
| 19:09.23 | seb- | rezzen: maybe that is the best we can do? |
| 19:09.27 | rezzen | weasel00, 'netstat -tlnp' |
| 19:09.35 | Fare | abrotman: thanks |
| 19:09.37 | rezzen | (assuming you mean tcp port 443) |
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| 19:09.58 | seb- | weasel: you can also try telnet-ing from a remote machine |
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| 19:10.01 | weasel00 | im trying to trouble shoot my ssl not working |
| 19:10.08 | ikks | Hi, I wan to now if there is an architecture that haven't been ported to linux |
| 19:10.14 | seb- | weasel00: that was for you weasel: above |
| 19:10.15 | ikks | because the specs are closed |
| 19:10.18 | weasel00 | and its not =) |
| 19:10.23 | ikks | or any other circunstance |
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| 19:10.31 | ikks | that don't let this happen. |
| 19:10.33 | seb- | ikks: your linux ported to it |
| 19:10.39 | seb- | ikks: s/your/you mean |
| 19:10.39 | ikks | Any clues about this? |
| 19:10.56 | Fare | abrotman: doesn't seem to help much |
| 19:11.00 | slushpupie | ikks, you just want to know what CPU types dont run linux? |
| 19:11.08 | ikks | that's it :) |
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| 19:11.09 | abrotman | Fare: what did you pick for a locale ? |
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| 19:11.18 | ikks | slushpupie :) |
| 19:11.26 | abrotman | ikks: probably plenty |
| 19:11.29 | Fare | abrotman: I'm using en_US.iso-8859-1 |
| 19:11.31 | rxed | ikks: red dragon |
| 19:11.36 | ikks | where can I find an URL? |
| 19:11.36 | abrotman | Fare: that's not UTF |
| 19:11.37 | seb- | abrotman: how you do you check integrity of a random debian installation? |
| 19:11.38 | Fare | now trying mozilla with en_US.utf-8 |
| 19:11.44 | ikks | ok, looking for it. |
| 19:11.44 | abrotman | seb-: debsums ? maybe ? |
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| 19:11.55 | grendal_prime | grrrr |
| 19:12.10 | abrotman | ikks: go to netbsd .. see what they've ported to .. then check linux ports .. netbsd has ported to far more things than linux |
| 19:12.12 | grendal_prime | abort id you answered my last post i missed it...damn battery died |
| 19:12.14 | seb- | abrotman: i couldn't get a man page for dat... |
| 19:12.15 | slushpupie | ikks: the X1 MSP |
| 19:12.16 | Fare | but iso-8859-1 is what I use on other machines, and mozilla displays chinese quite fine there |
| 19:12.25 | ikks | ok, googling |
| 19:12.33 | abrotman | seb-: install it ? |
| 19:12.56 | seb- | abrotman: don't you ever botch an 'apt-get install' and wish there was a command to confirm nothing on your box is messed up? |
| 19:13.02 | abrotman | Fare: do you have a chinese locale defined? .. i'm not a big reader of chinese sites :) |
| 19:13.12 | abrotman | seb-: no .. i know what i'm doing :) |
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| 19:13.38 | ikks | abrotman I want to look for an arch that wouldn't be possible to port due to the manufacturers |
| 19:13.41 | ikks | closing the info |
| 19:13.44 | seb- | abrotman: well let's suppose you tried to download some unstable app and got some error messages |
| 19:13.57 | abrotman | seb-: i don't use unstable .. |
| 19:13.59 | ikks | or using licenses to avoid the port of an S.O. |
| 19:14.03 | seb- | abrotman: now you are worried and the sweat is building on your forehead |
| 19:14.23 | abrotman | ikks: ask ##linux .. maybe they would know |
| 19:14.27 | Eulex | seb-, then downgrade/uninstall it |
| 19:14.34 | ikks | thx :) |
| 19:14.39 | abrotman | !tell ikks about lkml |
| 19:14.57 | slushpupie | ikks: the X1 procs fits those conditions |
| 19:15.12 | seb- | Eulex: thanks ..how downgrade an app? |
| 19:15.30 | ikks | slushpupie, a lot of thanks. |
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| 19:15.39 | Eulex | seb-, to stable, for example? apt-get install pkgname/stable |
| 19:15.42 | kronoz | apt-get install appname=ver.sion.of.app |
| 19:15.46 | Fare | abrotman: no chinese locale on either machine |
| 19:15.51 | Fare | and one machine works fine |
| 19:16.05 | abrotman | Fare: then i'm stumped .. i'm not really a fonts person .. and i can't read chinese |
| 19:16.09 | abrotman | !cn |
| 19:16.09 | dpkg | rumour has it, cn is China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
| 19:16.12 | seb- | Eulex: nice! e.g. apt-get install xmms/stable will happily downgrade it? i didn't know about the slash trick |
| 19:16.13 | abrotman | nice |
| 19:16.49 | ikks | abrotman thx |
| 19:16.50 | ikks | 2 |
| 19:17.02 | Eulex | seb-, yes it will. |
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| 19:17.33 | seb- | Eulex: iirc if you just to 'apt-get install xmms' it will complain that you have the newest version already |
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| 19:17.46 | Eulex | seb-, yes, because you do. |
| 19:17.50 | ryan` | I'm trying to decide between using rssh and scponly to lock down some shells. reccomendations? |
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| 19:19.36 | Fare | abrotman: I can't read much chinese, but I can read a few things, and I hate when the characters display wrong. Besides, other unicode characters also display wrong |
| 19:19.37 | grendal_prime | ryan`, ??what are you trying to do again? |
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| 19:20.07 | abrotman | from a shell .. see what the locale is set to .. if it's set to UTF .. try running mozilla from there .. |
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| 19:20.20 | Fare | ryan: doesn't help |
| 19:20.22 | abrotman | Fare: you may need to logout/login for the new locale to work |
| 19:22.11 | Fare | abrotman: on the other machine, mozilla displays chinese correctly with a latin1 locale |
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| 19:23.11 | secure | is there any howto or tutorial for configuring fail2ban, shorewall and metalog alltogether???? |
| 19:23.22 | dumezil | Fare do you have the chinese fonts packages installed? |
| 19:23.22 | abrotman | Fare: maybe tht's a differenct? |
| 19:23.31 | abrotman | see .. dumezil speaks chinese! |
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| 19:23.59 | dumezil | im suddenly confused... |
| 19:24.12 | Fare | dumezil: I think so |
| 19:24.28 | Fare | dumezil: the difference between the two machines is a few thai fonts, but that's not chinese |
| 19:24.34 | Fare | and doesn't verdana do chinese already? |
| 19:24.53 | secure | I have seen some fail2ban howtos, but not together with shorewall, which seems a good combination, and for using metalog for storing the logs that would be marvelous, someone knows something about some document I can read? |
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| 19:25.38 | amee2k | !skype |
| 19:25.38 | dpkg | i guess skype is a non-free (beer) voip application that is cross platform. See http://www.skype.com/, or based on proprietary, closed-source protocols, or debs for skype are available with and without a static qt library from http://debian-unofficial.org |
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| 19:25.55 | amee2k | it isn't in debian-unofficial |
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| 19:26.03 | abrotman | oh well ... |
| 19:26.09 | abrotman | it's also not in debian |
| 19:26.23 | dumezil | Fare search for tt-arphic and install all those packages |
| 19:26.28 | dumezil | ttf-arphic |
| 19:26.32 | Fare | dumezil: thanks |
| 19:26.34 | T_V | hello all. is it possible to 'scroll' back while booting? (it stops with a kernel panic) is there a way to 'pause' the booting procedure or something like that ? |
| 19:26.48 | GyrosGeier | T_V, Shift-PgUp usually |
| 19:26.50 | amee2k | i added the /etc/apt/sources.list line, ran apt-get update and the apt-cache search skype and nothing |
| 19:27.11 | GyrosGeier | T_V, but that only goes back until the last wraparound, which may be anywhere |
| 19:27.15 | T_V | doesnt work :S but even num-lock isnt working when i get the kernel panic |
| 19:27.26 | amee2k | is the only way to get it skype.com or is there another repo? |
| 19:27.33 | GyrosGeier | T_V, ah, then the kernel is really dead. |
| 19:28.05 | abrotman | amee2k: try apt-get.org |
| 19:28.05 | T_V | ;) hehe. i know. well. there isnt a way to pause it either (the break button at yhe keyboard doesnt work) |
| 19:28.42 | GyrosGeier | T_V, in that case, boot with console=ttyS0,38400 and capture with another host over the serial port. |
| 19:28.59 | [ex]hungry-hobo | guys i dont get it..when someone dcc's me a file irssi shows their ip addy..is there any way i can get that ip without that person sending me a file first?? |
| 19:29.03 | T_V | i always forget the name im talking to at the beginning :S |
| 19:29.10 | [ex]hungry-hobo | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:29.10 | T_V | GyrosGeier: hmm good option.. |
| 19:29.21 | T_V | GyrosGeier: im going to try that. thanks! |
| 19:29.41 | Fare | dumezil: thanks!! |
| 19:29.46 | GyrosGeier | [ex]hungry-hobo, that is dependent upon the IRC server telling you |
| 19:30.07 | [ex]hungry-hobo | right i looked in irssi documentation... |
| 19:30.08 | dumezil | [ex]hungry-hobo you are on 69.243.132.209 |
| 19:30.17 | [ex]hungry-hobo | yup..prolly |
| 19:30.20 | dumezil | [ex]hungry-hobo you do a /whois |
| 19:30.34 | dumezil | and youre logged in as linuxbox |
| 19:30.35 | [ex]hungry-hobo | whois never showed me no ip |
| 19:30.43 | dumezil | it shows you a hostname |
| 19:30.52 | [ex]hungry-hobo | i mean yeah i can get their letter addy and then whois that from bash |
| 19:30.56 | dumezil | so you have to do a simple translation |
| 19:31.05 | [ex]hungry-hobo | but what about if they have a vhost? |
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| 19:31.16 | dumezil | what do you mean a vhost? |
| 19:31.22 | [ex]hungry-hobo | guess i shoiulda said that first lol |
| 19:31.30 | dumezil | they're only going to connecting from one ip addy |
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| 19:31.49 | [ex]hungry-hobo | a virtual host..some irc networks give u a vhost u know |
| 19:32.06 | [ex]hungry-hobo | so like if i wanted i couldh have my addy look like linuxbox@foo.bar.org |
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| 19:32.20 | [ex]hungry-hobo | or linuxbox@pretty.much.anything |
| 19:32.21 | dumezil | no i didn't know... well obviously its over my head now... |
| 19:32.38 | [ex]hungry-hobo | heh..yeah i been googling for a while now :) |
| 19:32.44 | [ex]hungry-hobo | thats what i dont get |
| 19:32.54 | dumezil | i'd imagine you can't until they establish a direct connection to you |
| 19:33.01 | [ex]hungry-hobo | cuz i have ppl with vhost send me files but when they do it shows their ip along with their hostname |
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| 19:33.11 | [ex]hungry-hobo | ic |
| 19:33.23 | [ex]hungry-hobo | i wonder if i try sending to someone if itll show their ip |
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| 19:33.27 | dumezil | yeah their irc server is acting as a proxy or something |
| 19:33.50 | dumezil | yeah i'd imagine.. you have to establish a direct connection with them and thus would need to know their ip addy |
| 19:34.06 | [ex]hungry-hobo | is there a way to make one of those virtual hosts on my linux box?? |
| 19:34.14 | [ex]hungry-hobo | i know the hostname cmd..but that really does nothing |
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| 19:34.33 | [ex]hungry-hobo | im mean like could i make me my own vhost so when i connect to irc server they see that host instead of mine? |
| 19:34.58 | [ex]hungry-hobo | i know proxy is kinda like that butu doont get to pic k ur hostname |
| 19:35.00 | dumezil | i doubt it |
| 19:35.27 | dumezil | what are you trying to do? sounds a little fishy |
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| 19:35.49 | [ex]hungry-hobo | it is...im checking firewalls of these peeps.. |
| 19:36.06 | [ex]hungry-hobo | so i figger i send them a 'ping <ip> for like 10 secs |
| 19:36.13 | [ex]hungry-hobo | too see if their firewall lights up |
| 19:36.28 | [ex]hungry-hobo | that *would* set off a firewall right? |
| 19:36.38 | dumezil | depends on what you mean set off |
| 19:36.50 | [ex]hungry-hobo | cuz my buddy said earlier he had avg firewall on and i pinged him for like 20 seconds and he said he didn't se e nothing but a little lag |
| 19:36.54 | dumezil | my firewall is simply designed to silently drop ping packets on its external interface |
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| 19:37.01 | [ex]hungry-hobo | oh ic |
| 19:37.13 | [ex]hungry-hobo | well thats no fun then |
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| 19:37.46 | dumezil | yeah if you ping with big enough packets and short timeouts, you in essence be doing a DoS attack and flood their connection and slow them down or knock them off |
| 19:37.55 | beered | Is there a way to change date/time on the system so that the computer remembers it? I can mod the time, but when I restart it the clock rolls back 12+ hours |
| 19:38.09 | [ex]hungry-hobo | i guess but ud prolly need a heck of a lot of b/w |
| 19:38.20 | dumezil | more than they have certianly |
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| 19:38.34 | teclo | Hello, I have problems with groff. If I do groff -T lj4 or groff -T html I get groff: can't find `DESC' file groff:fatal error: invalid device `lj4' |
| 19:38.37 | dumezil | and i doubt with a comcast cable connection you'd have that much outgoing bandwidth |
| 19:38.38 | teclo | any ideas ? |
| 19:38.39 | [ex]hungry-hobo | i know if im on cable and ur on cable i aint gonna be able to ping no one but mebber a dial up user out with 384k/s upo speed |
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| 19:38.53 | mick_home | hi everyone |
| 19:38.54 | dumezil | yeah exactly |
| 19:38.54 | [ex]hungry-hobo | but really i get about 60k/s real up speed |
| 19:38.59 | [ex]hungry-hobo | gotcha |
| 19:39.07 | beered | 12M/2M here :) |
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| 19:39.19 | [ex]hungry-hobo | beered: niiice :) |
| 19:39.21 | dumezil | so you'll be able to take a 480kbps bite out of their avg 4M download |
| 19:39.25 | dumezil | damn... |
| 19:39.25 | [ex]hungry-hobo | i aint that rich lol |
| 19:39.35 | mick_home | anyone here know if a commodore kb will work on an old x86? |
| 19:39.37 | dumezil | it must be nice living in europe |
| 19:39.44 | [ex]hungry-hobo | heheheh |
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| 19:40.12 | wols_ | commodore PC keyboard? |
| 19:40.14 | beered | In EU ISDN is still a big thing. |
| 19:40.15 | [ex]hungry-hobo | ive had ppl with a few big pipes ping me out lol |
| 19:40.18 | beered | LOL |
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| 19:40.23 | dumezil | beered what is your timezone set to? and is your hardware clock set to gmt or local time? |
| 19:40.24 | mick_home | its an old CTX runing a Cyrix 6x86? processor |
| 19:40.27 | allaun1 | hello |
| 19:40.28 | [ex]hungry-hobo | they used a few shell accts or something |
| 19:40.35 | mick_home | wols_, yes |
| 19:40.35 | beered | dumezil: I figured it out. |
| 19:40.36 | [ex]hungry-hobo | he said it was a vulnerability in my iptables |
| 19:40.46 | mick_home | the connection looks the same |
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| 19:40.49 | wols_ | then it's a PC keyboard and it should work |
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| 19:40.58 | wols_ | might need an adapter to fit at PS2, that's all |
| 19:40.58 | mick_home | i just get "no kb or kb error" when i start it |
| 19:40.59 | [ex]hungry-hobo | said he ganged these two bots on me..never pinged me outta irc..jus5 tlaggged me soo slow.. |
| 19:41.04 | allaun1 | how is everyone? |
| 19:41.10 | Tuxist | hi |
| 19:41.11 | mick_home | it isn't a PS/2 |
| 19:41.15 | [ex]hungry-hobo | and i looked up and i ALL my down speed was utilized lol..was like 750 k/s |
| 19:41.40 | allaun1 | did you guys read about the bootsector change? |
| 19:41.43 | Tuxist | i have a problem with postgresql |
| 19:41.47 | mick_home | it is a DIN5 |
| 19:42.42 | mick_home | since it should work, i'll look and see if it could be something else |
| 19:42.44 | Fare | do I need to restart X? |
| 19:43.12 | itstheday | for immediate sale 2 gateway portable computers$400 each, 1 hp portable computer 400$, price includes shipping, case, wireless router. message me if intersted on aim at ogd443 or msn at albertaguy1981@hotmail.com |
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| 19:43.20 | itstheday | for immediate sale 2 gateway portable computers$400 each, 1 hp portable computer 400$, price includes shipping, case, wireless router. message me if intersted on aim at ogd443 or msn at albertaguy1981@hotmail.com |
| 19:43.24 | mick_home | Fare, try it out (ctrl alt backspace) |
| 19:43.35 | dumezil | can we kick people like that? |
| 19:43.41 | Fare | apparently, I don't! |
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| 19:43.49 | mick_home | i agree |
| 19:43.53 | Fare | woohoo! dumezil: thanks a lot! |
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| 19:43.55 | mick_home | can someone kick him |
| 19:44.08 | dumezil | Fare so you got your chinese fonts working? good |
| 19:44.09 | allaun1 | wheres the ops? |
| 19:44.31 | mick_home | debhelper, ops? |
| 19:44.35 | grendal_prime | its not xinitrd with debian builds what is it?? Xsession? |
| 19:44.38 | lpb-oberon | sold them:) |
| 19:44.41 | grendal_prime | because this user has no Xsession |
| 19:44.54 | allaun1 | i'd never believe that spam would exist on irc |
| 19:45.06 | allaun1 | but i guess it was the last outpost |
| 19:45.08 | allaun1 | :p |
| 19:45.12 | mick_home | allaun1, actually, it is quite prevelant in other networks |
| 19:45.22 | mick_home | it just starts to migrate here from time-to-time |
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| 19:46.05 | allaun1 | i will know that the wall has truely fallen when spam based viruses infect bootloaders |
| 19:46.21 | allaun1 | then you might as well wave goodbye to the "good ole days" |
| 19:46.33 | Eclipser | I wonder how badly my system will break if I'll dist-upgrade to etch... |
| 19:46.36 | allaun1 | instead of a pretty gui, you get a add |
| 19:46.43 | allaun1 | *ad |
| 19:46.49 | itstheday | for immediate sale 2 gateway portable computers$400 each, 1 hp portable computer 400$, price includes shipping, case, wireless router. message me if intersted on aim at ogd443 or msn at albertaguy1981@hotmail.com |
| 19:46.51 | mick_home | _MiTo_, i see that you are from Hungary - if you wouldn't mind I am looking for someone to test a Hungarian localization of an OSS app - would you be interested in testing it? |
| 19:46.54 | Eclipser | seems it wants to install xserver-xorg at least and remove xfree... |
| 19:47.45 | dumezil | mick_home thats what /msg is for... |
| 19:47.55 | mick_home | how the hell can there be no ops here |
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| 19:48.10 | dumezil | they've fallen asleep at their desks |
| 19:48.11 | mick_home | dumezil, sorry |
| 19:48.13 | Eclipser | mick_home, there are, they just aren't opped :p |
| 19:48.45 | mick_home | Eclipser, then why hasn't anyone kickbanned yet :) |
| 19:49.11 | itstheday | for immediate sale 2 gateway portable computers$400 each, 1 hp portable computer 400$, price includes shipping, case, wireless router. message me if intersted on aim at ogd443 or msn at albertaguy1981@hotmail.com |
| 19:49.29 | jschott | When I try to run root-tail on sarge I get "Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion (ISO8859-15)" |
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| 19:49.56 | jalesan | hola |
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| 19:51.28 | jschott | anybody a font expert> |
| 19:51.30 | jschott | ? |
| 19:51.36 | dumezil | just ask your question |
| 19:51.44 | mick_home | dumezil, he did |
| 19:51.53 | dumezil | oops |
| 19:51.55 | dumezil | haha |
| 19:51.58 | jschott | I want to run root-tail and specify a font |
| 19:52.00 | mick_home | jschott, wish i could help you :) |
| 19:52.16 | dumezil | try changing your locale |
| 19:52.16 | GoAuLd | what will be the programming language of the future ? |
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| 19:52.25 | jschott | asm |
| 19:52.27 | dumezil | to UTF-8 |
| 19:52.30 | stew | jschott: man X and read the RESOURCES section, man xrdb |
| 19:52.44 | [ex]hungry-hobo | omg .. i finally upgraded to firefox 1.5 from 1.0 today ..man this new version is like..lightning fast |
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| 19:52.48 | jschott | hmm |
| 19:52.54 | GoAuLd | jschott you are optimist |
| 19:53.12 | jschott | Seems a bit extreme but I'll give that a whack |
| 19:53.20 | GoAuLd | some teachers say java |
| 19:53.34 | jschott | NOOOOOO |
| 19:53.36 | mick_home | it is a bullshit question |
| 19:53.37 | jschott | not java |
| 19:53.44 | mick_home | so most likely it did come from a teacher |
| 19:53.45 | jschott | please god no |
| 19:54.02 | jschott | Java has it's place |
| 19:54.15 | jschott | and that place is not in the future |
| 19:54.19 | mick_home | can you quit w/ the flames :) |
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| 19:54.48 | jschott | Sorry |
| 19:55.15 | mick_home | it was foreseeable though i must say :) |
| 19:55.32 | GutterPunk | can anyone tell me how I could find out the clock speed of my box without opening it? And the ram specs? |
| 19:55.35 | wireddd | there will always be a multitude of programming languages |
| 19:55.45 | GutterPunk | I did a cat /proc/cpuinfo but it isn't there |
| 19:55.48 | mick_home | GoAuLd, if you are serious about an answer to that question... it is a bullshit question |
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| 19:56.03 | pawel_ | cze |
| 19:56.05 | pawel_ | co tam? |
| 19:56.09 | pawel_ | słychać? |
| 19:56.10 | jschott | I just felt{hoped} that language of the future would not be dependent on closed software |
| 19:56.16 | dumezil | GutterPunk dmesg |more and look at the first page |
| 19:56.17 | mick_home | GutterPunk, cat /proc/meminfo |
| 19:56.30 | GutterPunk | meminfo didn't give it either :( |
| 19:56.36 | stew | pawel_: try #debian.pl |
| 19:56.37 | GutterPunk | dumezil, I'll try that |
| 19:56.40 | pawel_ | umie tu ktoś gadać po polsku ?? |
| 19:57.02 | stew | GutterPunk: dmidecode *might* tell you somethihng about your ram, /proc/cpuinfo should definately tell you your clock speed |
| 19:57.03 | GoAuLd | mick_home, some languages proliferate more than other, its possible people begin to switch to higher level languages becouse its just easier an development time shorter |
| 19:57.10 | pawel_ | nara |
| 19:57.16 | GoAuLd | an C becoming forgotten |
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| 19:57.24 | stew | pawel_: #debian.pl <- polska |
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| 19:57.39 | pawel_ | dzięki |
| 19:57.41 | pawel_ | papa |
| 19:57.50 | stew | pawel_: english only in here |
| 19:57.54 | dumezil | how do you do string concatenation in a sh script? |
| 19:58.10 | stew | dumezil: just stick them next to eachother |
| 19:58.32 | dumezil | so ive got a variable disk and i want to add a 1 to the end i just say $disk1 ? |
| 19:58.46 | dumezil | $disk = /dev/sdb |
| 19:58.49 | stew | dumezil: ${disk}1 becuase $disk1 would be another variable name |
| 19:58.56 | dumezil | ok cool |
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| 19:59.30 | GutterPunk | dumezil, what should I look for? Cant find anything in there... |
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| 20:00.36 | dumezil | GutterPunk has the machine been up for a long time? |
| 20:01.02 | GutterPunk | dumezil, yep |
| 20:01.13 | GutterPunk | well... a few days at least |
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| 20:02.00 | dumezil | it might be out fo the buffer, but try "dmesg | grep processor"... on my box it responds "Detected 447.700 MHz processor." |
| 20:02.16 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 20:02.16 | dpkg | i heard popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 20:02.19 | stew | GutterPunk: grep MHz /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 20:02.49 | dumezil | then "dmesg | grep memory" on my box responds "memory: 123664k/131072k available etc etc" |
| 20:02.58 | abrotman | !tell tarzeau about popcon |
| 20:03.35 | Vinland | whenever I have to do a command like deluser or adduser I always have to go /usr/sbin/adduser. I am logged in via ssh, whats the command that makes it so I dont have to do that. |
| 20:03.38 | moyix | has anyone ever tried to use umlrun? it seems to be, er, completely non-functional, and it has no documentation |
| 20:03.44 | GutterPunk | stew, I don't care bout the clock speed of the cpu :) |
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| 20:03.54 | GutterPunk | stew, the FSB speed is what I'm looking for |
| 20:03.58 | dumezil | GutterPunk also like the other are saying cat /proc/cpuinfo and cat /proc/meminfo reveals the same info |
| 20:04.00 | GutterPunk | without opening it |
| 20:04.01 | stew | GutterPunk: dmidecode |
| 20:04.03 | dumezil | well you didnt say that |
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| 20:04.29 | GutterPunk | well yeah, sorry for not being clear :) I meant FSB speed :) |
| 20:04.37 | Anthony | Hello everyone... |
| 20:04.50 | dumezil | so dmidecode | grep "External Clock" |
| 20:04.51 | Fare | dumezil: ${disk}1 |
| 20:05.01 | dumezil | thanks! worked like a charm |
| 20:05.22 | Fare | dumezil: you might want to use perl or python or lisp instead of shell, when things become complex |
| 20:05.34 | Fare | I've written much too many zsh scripts |
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| 20:05.37 | dumezil | yeah, but most of my stuff is real simple |
| 20:05.37 | GutterPunk | stew, thanks! External clock gave the correct info |
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| 20:05.42 | jschott | how can I switch my locale to UTF-8? |
| 20:05.50 | Fare | dumezil: that's what I said in the beginning |
| 20:06.08 | None | Question, after installing Debian I have no sound through my SBLive unit, kernel boot says the SBLive game port is intialized but I have no sound? I am in the soundgroup, /dev/dsp exist, and apps playing sound do so without giving an error message, just no sound? any suggestions?s |
| 20:06.12 | Fare | jschott: use the program `locale` |
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| 20:06.27 | Fare | jschott: it tells you which are the meaningful environment variables |
| 20:06.30 | weasel00 | openssl key generation. following http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/284 it returns an error for "-out" when running openssl req -new -x509 -extensions v3_ca -keyout private/cakey.pem \ -out cacert.pem -days 3650 -config ./openssl.cnf |
| 20:06.45 | nonix4 | jschott: just export LC_ALL, LC_CTYPE or LANG, whichever you really happen to want... |
| 20:06.48 | Fare | jschott: and you may export LC_CTYPE=en_US.utf-8 |
| 20:07.03 | GoAuLd | none: increase the volume with alsamixer |
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| 20:07.18 | dumezil | jschott dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 20:07.43 | None | kmixer says the volume is up to 74% |
| 20:07.52 | daft | for Hd backup i just can use cat /dev/hda > foo right |
| 20:08.13 | mick_linux | daft, man dd |
| 20:08.15 | daft | nm got it |
| 20:08.16 | jschott | daft dd would probably be better |
| 20:08.19 | daft | yea |
| 20:08.23 | GoAuLd | then increase all volume bars |
| 20:08.24 | daft | i just remember |
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| 20:09.09 | mick_linux | speaking of... anyone know of good hdd recovery tools? dd_rescuse and some other |
| 20:09.14 | mick_linux | gnu one comes to mind |
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| 20:09.18 | nonix4 | A note to anyone recommending the use of "dd": if dealing with broken hard-drives, be _extremely_ careful about the dd parameters |
| 20:09.36 | mick_linux | ya, obviously :) |
| 20:09.40 | Fare | nonix: there was a special dd for broken drives on the net |
| 20:09.54 | kronoz | you can use modo to backup as well |
| 20:09.58 | jschott | Oh yea I've got that special dd |
| 20:09.59 | Fare | so you could do a backup of whichever sectors worked, and then try to fsck it |
| 20:10.05 | jschott | works really well |
| 20:10.14 | nonix4 | Fare: normal dd can also be used, you just have to disable readahead and use really well tought-out parameters :-) |
| 20:10.15 | Fare | jschott: what's the name, already? |
| 20:10.36 | Fare | nonix: interesting |
| 20:10.48 | nonix4 | Fare: the correct combination of parameters involves block size of 512 bytes, sync and noerrors |
| 20:11.15 | yggdrasil_ | how do i un bz2 something ? |
| 20:11.26 | jschott | ddrescue |
| 20:11.38 | jschott | but there is another |
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| 20:11.50 | dumezil | bunzip2 |
| 20:11.57 | jschott | dd_rhelp |
| 20:12.03 | jschott | google them |
| 20:12.17 | GoAuLd | how do i format a SD card under linux, asuming the device is /dev/sda1 ? |
| 20:12.21 | jschott | worked on very scatched cd's |
| 20:12.22 | yggdrasil_ | there a way to do it from tar istn there |
| 20:12.35 | dumezil | GoAuLd you want to format for exclusive use in linux? |
| 20:12.36 | moyix | tar xjf |
| 20:12.38 | dumezil | mkfs.ext2 |
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| 20:12.57 | jschott | fdisk -p /dev/sda1 |
| 20:12.57 | nonix4 | jschott: well ddrescue looks like it has been designed for rerunning multiple times, which is kinda good... kinda not if the drive deteriorates during use |
| 20:13.09 | GoAuLd | dumezil, i dont think my syster's mp3 player could handle that |
| 20:13.18 | weasel00 | openssl key generation. following http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/284 it returns an error for "-out" when running "#openssl req -new -x509 -extensions v3_ca -keyout private/cakey.pem \ -out cacert.pem -days 3650 -config ./openssl.cnf" what is wrong with the command? |
| 20:13.30 | jschott | and make sure you got the proper partition type |
| 20:13.30 | GoAuLd | ok thanks |
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| 20:13.50 | jschott | use ddrescue with ddr_help |
| 20:14.21 | jschott | and it will first grab the easy parts and come back to the parts that need multiple reads |
| 20:15.01 | jschott | mkfs.vfat /dev/sda1 |
| 20:15.13 | dumezil | GoAuLd apt-get install dosfstools |
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| 20:16.09 | GoAuLd | ok, so fdisk does the job? |
| 20:16.29 | jschott | fdisk would be just to change the partion type |
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| 20:16.45 | GoAuLd | its because the card is a little broken |
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| 20:16.57 | GoAuLd | i think i will need a full format |
| 20:17.09 | jschott | but if this is for an mp3 player I would stick with vfat and just reformat |
| 20:17.21 | jschott | with mkfs.vfat /dev/sda1 |
| 20:17.40 | GoAuLd | ok, ill try it now |
| 20:17.54 | jschott | make sure thats the right partion |
| 20:17.56 | jschott | ! |
| 20:18.08 | isilzha | i have a problem initialising x. it doesn't run as long as i manually made the mouse working (by executing modprobe mousedev or/and mousedev ubshid). but still this is no working workaround as kde will freeze up a few minutes after it was started. |
| 20:18.15 | dumezil | i wonder how long it will take to "fsck -c -c -p -f /dev/sdb1" on a 36 gig FC disk... |
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| 20:19.17 | dumezil | about 1 hour so far |
| 20:19.18 | isilzha | *modprobe usbhid |
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| 20:21.21 | isilzha | i think all this comes from or is related to xorg. as it worked just fine with xfree86 as i used sarge (sid now) i would want to change this back. unfortunately without success so far. isn't that possible any more? |
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| 20:23.16 | yggdrasil_ | hellok, im trying to make a new kernel. i get all kinds of errors when i do make menuconfig. ..after HOSTCC scripts/kconfig/lxdialog/checklist.o |
| 20:23.16 | yggdrasil_ | In file included from scripts/kconfig/lxdialog/checklist.c:24: |
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| 20:24.58 | mick_linux | anyone realize that removable media has a hardware was of creating read-only devices/file systems... why not have that on a HDD :) (that way even if you are root you couldn't use mount(1)) |
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| 20:25.35 | pokkie | hello all, how can i disable modules that are loaded on bootup? |
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| 20:25.37 | dumezil | what? i know sometimes we use shorthand, but proper grammar please! |
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| 20:25.58 | yggdrasil_ | i think he maeand has not was |
| 20:26.00 | mandin | hi |
| 20:26.06 | yggdrasil_ | hellok, im trying to make a new kernel. i get all kinds of errors when i do make menuconfig. ..after HOSTCC scripts/kconfig/lxdialog/checklist.o |
| 20:26.08 | yggdrasil_ | In file included from scripts/kconfig/lxdialog/checklist.c:24: |
| 20:26.23 | yggdrasil_ | i mean way not was... sorry |
| 20:26.27 | yggdrasil_ | haha |
| 20:26.27 | dumezil | yggdrasil_ what are the exact errory? |
| 20:26.28 | dumezil | errors? |
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| 20:26.41 | yggdrasil_ | well thats where it starts and then um.. |
| 20:26.49 | yggdrasil_ | scripts/kconfig/lxdialog/dialog.h:128: warning: type defaults to ‘int’ in declaration of ‘use_colors’ |
| 20:26.49 | yggdrasil_ | scripts/kconfig/lxdialog/dialog.h:128: warning: data definition has no type or storage class |
| 20:26.49 | yggdrasil_ | scripts/kconfig/lxdialog/dialog.h:129: error: syntax error before ‘use_shadow’ |
| 20:27.02 | yggdrasil_ | missing something there.. |
| 20:27.15 | dumezil | you might have to specify your compiler explicitly |
| 20:27.16 | mandin | what is the best way to execute long/oversized shell(bash/sh?)/scripts (perl/python/ruby?) inside a C++ application?? |
| 20:27.29 | yggdrasil_ | hmmm what do you mean dumezil ? |
| 20:27.49 | pokkie | btw, my error is : ./pic.agent: line 156: 1874 segmentation fault $MODPROBE $MODULE >/dev/null 2>$1 i810_audio: can't be loaded , missing kernel or user mode driver i810_driver |
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| 20:28.12 | yggdrasil_ | HOSTCC scripts/kconfig/lxdialog/checklist.o |
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| 20:28.12 | yggdrasil_ | In file included from scripts/kconfig/lxdialog/checklist.c:24: |
| 20:28.12 | yggdrasil_ | scripts/kconfig/lxdialog/dialog.h:31:20: error: curses.h: No such file or directory |
| 20:28.12 | yggdrasil_ | In file included from scripts/kconfig/lxdialog/checklist.c:24: |
| 20:28.12 | yggdrasil_ | scripts/kconfig/lxdialog/dialog.h:128: error: syntax error before ‘use_colors’ |
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| 20:28.13 | yggdrasil_ | scripts/kconfig/lxdialog/dialog.h:128: warning: type defaults to ‘int’ in declaration of ‘use_colors’ |
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| 20:28.17 | dumezil | pokkie is your kernel version the same as the modules? |
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| 20:28.29 | yggdrasil_ | sorry guys |
| 20:28.35 | pokkie | dumezil: err, this is right after i run install for the first time |
| 20:28.42 | pokkie | dumezil: using 2.6 kernel |
| 20:29.00 | dumezil | yggdrasil_ do you have libncurses5-dev ? |
| 20:29.07 | dumezil | apt-get install libncurses5-dev |
| 20:29.20 | pokkie | dumezil: btw, if you specify cd boot parameters, such as vga=771 , does that get 'saved' when you restart the system after an install? |
| 20:29.28 | yggdrasil_ | ill check |
| 20:29.47 | yggdrasil_ | dumezil nope i didnt |
| 20:30.08 | dumezil | well menuconfig relies on curses.h which comes in libncurses5-dev |
| 20:30.44 | dumezil | pokkie you can specify your boot parameters in grub/lilo and they are 'saved' but if upon boot you append vga=771 to the boot line, then no they aren't saved |
| 20:30.52 | pokkie | yggdrasil_: use pastebin in the future, much easier |
| 20:30.54 | yggdrasil_ | that was it dumezil |
| 20:30.55 | yggdrasil_ | ;) |
| 20:31.09 | yggdrasil_ | pkkie was trying to paste to a pm and just got cunfused sorry about it |
| 20:31.17 | pokkie | yggdrasil_: np |
| 20:32.09 | isilzha | what package did udev replace during upgrade to sid? hotplug? and why did it do so? bacause... it always fails during boot up as my kernel is too old |
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| 20:33.01 | stew | isilzha: udev is able to do everything that hotplug is able to, if you prefer hotplug you can stick with hotplug instead, but you must then use yaird to generate the initrd |
| 20:33.04 | Schuyler | hi, folks |
| 20:33.04 | pokkie | dumezil: what i want is a way to specify what modules are loaded by default when the system first reboots are a new install |
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| 20:33.23 | Schuyler | anyone know why debootstrap sid would give me "E: Couldn't download base-config" ? |
| 20:33.32 | dumezil | pokkie put the module name in /etc/modules |
| 20:33.50 | Schuyler | I just STFW, no luck. |
| 20:33.52 | dumezil | Schuyler cause it can't find the package base-config |
| 20:33.53 | stew | Schuyler: becuase base-config doesn't exist in sid anymore. use a newer debootstrap and pass it the --second-stage (or something similar) option |
| 20:33.54 | pokkie | hmmm, and i can access that from the debian installer menu? |
| 20:34.06 | pokkie | dumezil: i want to remove some, dont want to add ;) |
| 20:34.09 | dumezil | stew: better answer |
| 20:34.10 | isilzha | stew: it's not that i wouldn't like udev. it doesn't like me ;) i'll try what you suggested. thank you |
| 20:34.14 | jnco | what if instead of debian the name of debian was devious |
| 20:34.18 | LSorensen | Schuyler: debootstrap is often broken for anything other than stable. always best to just debootstrap stable, then upgrade the chroot to unstable |
| 20:34.22 | jnco | you sneaky os you! |
| 20:34.23 | pipeline | isilzha: Oh, really? Because I definitely don't like udev. |
| 20:34.30 | stew | isilzha: what kernel version are you running now? |
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| 20:34.35 | stew | isilzha: err trying to run:? |
| 20:34.35 | Schuyler | LSorensen: interesting, good idea. I'll try that. |
| 20:34.35 | pipeline | LSorensen, Schuyler : I debootstrapped unstable about a week ago; worked fine. |
| 20:34.36 | Schuyler | thanks all. |
| 20:34.51 | isilzha | pipeline: let me put it like that: i had no chance to get it to know as it never showed up working ;) |
| 20:34.51 | Schuyler | pipeline: I'm using debootstrap from Sarge, perhaps there's an incompatibility. |
| 20:34.53 | dumezil | pokkie; im not sure |
| 20:35.05 | Schuyler | I can debootstrap sarge and apt-get dist-upgrade in the chroot |
| 20:35.13 | pipeline | Schuyler: Nah the script is the same either way. |
| 20:35.22 | Schuyler | pipeline: it's not working for me now :) |
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| 20:35.46 | jnco | im tired |
| 20:35.53 | stew | Schuyler: it is also safe to install sid's debootstrap on sarge (normally installing sid pacakges on sarge is a big no no) |
| 20:36.07 | Schuyler | stew: I thought about backporting it on my local system |
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| 20:36.22 | stew | Schuyler: ther is no reason to backport it, its just a shell script |
| 20:36.24 | Schuyler | but I think I'm just going to make a chroot of sarge, clone it, and apt-get dist-upgrade that |
| 20:36.27 | bipolar | does anyone here have samba server installed on sarge? Even though I have "Workgroup = SESECO" in smb.conf, samba keeps using "TITANIUM" for the workgroup, which is the hostname of the machine it's running on. |
| 20:36.33 | isilzha | stew: 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 20:36.37 | Schuyler | thanks for the tip, stew |
| 20:36.49 | Schuyler | fwiw, debootstrap sarge is working fine for me |
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| 20:37.00 | weasel00 | hmm i have ssl installed but its not enabled for some reason.. where shoudl i be checking to verify its setup? |
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| 20:37.27 | dumezil | dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server |
| 20:37.31 | stew | isilzha: then if initramfs-tools + udev isn't working for you, yeah, try installing yaird and removing initramfs-tools |
| 20:37.47 | isilzha | stew: the kernel is fine i think. but udev wants something like 2.6.8-16 |
| 20:38.02 | stew | isilzha: what version of debian or which version of udev? |
| 20:38.03 | settd | how is it possible to scan a subnet for smb resources? |
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| 20:38.56 | stew | settd: apt-cache search smb browse |
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| 20:39.16 | isilzha | stew: udev 087 and debian sid |
| 20:39.25 | bbrazil | settd: see also: nmblookup, nmap |
| 20:39.30 | stew | isilzha: that one wants at least a 2.6.14-1 kernel |
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| 20:40.18 | isilzha | stew: initramfs? |
| 20:40.39 | isilzha | stew: (can't find a man page for that) |
| 20:40.51 | stew | isilzha: you have two choices for building the initrd, initramfs-tools and yaird, they both have problems, initramfs-tools requires udev, yaird doesn't |
| 20:40.52 | settd | thanks stew |
| 20:41.09 | settd | most of these utils are ugly and bad working anyway |
| 20:41.22 | settd | nmap is a good point |
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| 20:42.10 | isilzha | stew: which would you suggest? downgrading udev is no option i guess? then i wouldn't have a choice than using yaird right? |
| 20:42.36 | _rene_ | yes, AFAIS |
| 20:42.50 | stew | isilzha: my suggestion to you is to instal yaird, remove initramfs-tools, upgrade to a 2.6.15-1 kernel |
| 20:43.01 | settd | which port should I scan for when shares are enabled? 139, 445? |
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| 20:45.15 | _rene_ | settd: iirc also 138 |
| 20:45.33 | _rene_ | settd: not not sure actually |
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| 20:45.52 | _rene_ | at least 138 is netbios-dgm which sounds like it might be related |
| 20:46.17 | _rene_ | (139 is netbios-ssn) |
| 20:47.18 | settd | i've got a samba machine and it has |
| 20:47.19 | settd | 139/tcp open netbios-ssn |
| 20:47.19 | settd | 445/tcp open microsoft-ds |
| 20:47.55 | weasel00 | how do i reinstall/reconfigure apache2 on etch? |
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| 20:48.11 | pokkie | dumezil: ok, got access to the installed system. in which file do i expliticly disable a module that is loaded at boot time? |
| 20:48.34 | _rene_ | yes, but netbios-s(e)s(io)n might need netbios-d(ata)g(ra)m, but apparently not if that machine that has only 139 and 445 open does what it should do ;) |
| 20:48.41 | evilbulgarian | hi, how can i grep for 2 things ( both to exist then return the line ) in one line? like look for ACCEPT and 10.1.2 grep -e "ACCEPT" -e"10.1.2" ? |
| 20:48.46 | pokkie | dumezil: i have looked at /etc/modules.conf but they say that i say not edit thig directly |
| 20:49.08 | isilzha | stew: ok thank you. let me see if i can manage to update the kernel ^^ how optional is this step? |
| 20:49.11 | _rene_ | evilbulgarian: grep foo | grep bar :-P |
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| 20:49.45 | abrotman | _rene_: uh ... |
| 20:50.02 | abrotman | oh .. nm |
| 20:50.36 | evilbulgarian | _rene_: hehe that works i was looking for something like grep -E blah&&blah |
| 20:51.07 | _rene_ | evilbulgarian: probably possible too, but... ;) |
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| 20:54.38 | dumezil | pokkie /etc/modules |
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| 20:55.56 | CoolCubix | is it a way to install eclipse with apt-get ? i don't see it available on debian testing mirrors... |
| 20:56.14 | JQuazar | I need help getting serial port working, so I can use the mgmt cable for my Cisco 675. I don't know the first thing about serial. Can someone walk me thru it? |
| 20:56.41 | pipeline | CoolCubix: There is, but there isn't. Eclipse is in testing, but it has really screwed up dependencies. By default, it uses gcj for java, and that is bad. If you have another java installed, it's pretty easy to persuade eclipse to use it, but the package system doesn't know that. |
| 20:56.42 | cjaymes | JQuazar do you have any /dev/ttyS* devices? |
| 20:56.45 | abrotman | CoolCubix: it's not there yet .. you can try grabbing it from sid .. but you may have to jump trhough hoops |
| 20:56.46 | pipeline | JQuazar: Install minicom :P |
| 20:57.00 | abrotman | !info eclipse-platform etch |
| 20:57.02 | cjaymes | pipeline: cat works ;-D |
| 20:57.02 | Pihhan | hi |
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| 20:57.20 | JQuazar | pipeline, here comes minicom thx |
| 20:57.22 | pokkie | dumezil: and then? |
| 20:57.22 | CoolCubix | so i should get the tarball ? |
| 20:57.38 | abrotman | that's one way |
| 20:57.54 | pipeline | JQuazar: When minicom prompts you for dialing strings and shit, just blank them all out. |
| 20:58.01 | pokkie | dumezil: ahh, ok - whats the syntax? modname=off? |
| 20:58.02 | tarzeau | where can i get free software for my nokia 6170? i want music players and games! |
| 20:58.05 | tarzeau | and irc! |
| 20:58.08 | tarzeau | and nethack! |
| 20:58.14 | JQuazar | cjaymes, yes I do think I have serial devs... I found a webpage, dmesg | grep tty looks happy, and so does `setserial -g /dev/ttyS0` whatever that means |
| 20:58.14 | cjaymes | doom? |
| 20:58.23 | tarzeau | no but porn and mplayer |
| 20:58.27 | CoolCubix | abrotman, pipeline, thank you :) |
| 20:58.30 | JQuazar | maybe I'm ready to try minicom? |
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| 20:58.46 | cjaymes | ttyS0 is your first serial port; you're probably good then (unless it's really a modem or something) |
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| 20:59.34 | pokkie | dumezil: man modules doesn't give much info |
| 20:59.47 | cjaymes | will linux use the winxp suspend partition? |
| 20:59.48 | JQuazar | cjaymes, no modem that I know of... I've got another one here, ttyS2 also seems happy |
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| 21:00.34 | cjaymes | JQuazar: only two, you can just flip back n forth till you get what you want; I assume you know the speeds & such? |
| 21:01.01 | cjaymes | damn office girls don't know how to make a proper pot of coffee |
| 21:01.03 | CoolCubix | i have another question : i switched to linux 8 months ago, i love opensource. I want to help it by contributing, but i'm really a beginner in programmation. Where could i go to get started ? From where should i start ? |
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| 21:01.21 | cjaymes | CoolCubix: download gcc and friends |
| 21:01.40 | scoates | how can I match the output of lsusb to a literal /dev/usb/hiddev?? device? |
| 21:01.47 | cjaymes | CoolCubix: have you ever programmed at all before? |
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| 21:02.43 | CoolCubix | yes, i have some basics in C++, i know VB6 programming (not very useful now i'm on linux), i make very easy bash quick&dirty scripts |
| 21:02.45 | JQuazar | cjaymes, I do not know what this device supports for speeds and such, let me find out |
| 21:02.50 | redrain | Hi, i use sarge. apt-get update && apt-get upgrade doesn't get latest kernel upgrade... Do i have to wait or is there something wrong with my system? |
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| 21:03.09 | MrPanda | Hello all : I recently reinstalled etch latest weekly snapshot, and i have a problem i never saw. unbz2ing kernel sources generates wrong char codes in sources files, leading to error while make menuconfig. i checked locale and keymap, but i remain clueless. any help appreciated |
| 21:03.18 | kastner | in xterm, how can I send F1 in vt100? |
| 21:03.32 | Pihhan | redrain: sarge does not have latest kernel, it is stable release and has stable kernel ;-) |
| 21:03.35 | cjaymes | JQuazar: it's more what the cisco box is talking at; your serial port can probably do whatever the cisco can, just have to match them |
| 21:03.46 | PerfDave | CoolCubix: You can contribute to open scourge and Free Software without being a programmer. Many projects need good documentation, graphics, solid bug reports, and support. Helping out on #debian is contributing, in a way. |
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| 21:04.19 | cjaymes | yeah, what PerfDave said; those pursuits are probably more needed than coding at this point |
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| 21:04.35 | kastner | is there a way to do it? function keys in vt100 |
| 21:04.38 | Pihhan | have you someone problems with burning od DVD videos under sarge? |
| 21:04.39 | tiCo89 | ehm |
| 21:04.45 | tarzeau | tiCo89: helix |
| 21:04.45 | CoolCubix | okay, thank you, i'm gonna try this all ^^ |
| 21:04.46 | tiCo89 | tarzeau: where? |
| 21:04.46 | MrPanda | example of wrong character : scripts/lxdialog/dialog.h:149: error: syntax error before â*â token |
| 21:04.47 | tiCo89 | ah |
| 21:04.47 | cjaymes | CoolCubix: or perhaps cleaning other peoples code, bug fixing, the less glamourous but very important things |
| 21:04.49 | tarzeau | helix: bom dia |
| 21:04.49 | tiCo89 | hi helix :-D |
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| 21:05.01 | Pihhan | i found this paste: http://paste.axpr.net/?show=275 |
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| 21:05.04 | Vinland | argggg |
| 21:05.05 | tiCo89 | tarzeau is watching your pictures on the gallery :-D |
| 21:05.06 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 21:05.06 | dpkg | <galois> bethe: mutt? <bethe> bitch! |
| 21:05.07 | antlarr | hello |
| 21:05.08 | tiCo89 | not bad... |
| 21:05.09 | redrain | Pihhan: I use 2.6.8 so i thought it could effect... |
| 21:05.13 | tarzeau | helix: he is... |
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| 21:05.21 | JQuazar | cjaymes, here we go... 38400 8-N-1, good. Flow control should be none I don't see that in MiniCom? |
| 21:05.26 | helix | wtf |
| 21:05.27 | tarzeau | helix: you know i've got a gf already |
| 21:05.38 | helix | yes |
| 21:05.41 | tiCo89 | submit@bugs.debian.org: too much weared in debian-women |
| 21:05.43 | antlarr | anybody knows if there's a libcupsys2 package for amd64 (etch) ? |
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| 21:06.04 | tarzeau | helix: you forgot the swiss german i teached you? |
| 21:06.05 | Pihhan | which is similar to my problem, but i dont get it at start (0%) but about a half of writing |
| 21:06.10 | cjaymes | JQuazar: not real sure myself; I'm at work (windows) and I dont' use minicom every day |
| 21:06.12 | abrotman | taught |
| 21:06.15 | unstable | My mouse doesn't work at all now, yesterday it wasn't working...so I did rmmod psmouse; modprobe psmouse; and it came back alive. I am using a laptop and the trackpad as a mouse, I can't use the trackpad now or the left or right click buttons on it. I do rmmod psmouse; modprobe psmouse; now and it does nothing. Anyone have any idea what is going on? |
| 21:06.22 | tarzeau | abrotman: taught, yes |
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| 21:06.36 | helix | tarzeau: gruezi wohl |
| 21:06.37 | helix | I think |
| 21:06.47 | tiCo89 | helix: hey cool :-D |
| 21:06.47 | scoates | I have a "Ultra-1000" UPS (lsusb shows "Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0d9f:0001 Powercom Co., Ltd") -- I can't get nut to attach to it. Any pointers? newhidups and hidups report that none of the /dev/usb/hiddev? devices I tried are actually UPSes |
| 21:06.53 | FlimFlamMan | on sarge, if i install python2.4, can i uninstall 2.3 and make 2.4 the default? |
| 21:07.02 | tiCo89 | if you come to *.ch i'll teach you how to pronounce "chuchichaeschtli" |
| 21:07.03 | row | Whats the file contains the info on what local user to email cron reports to? |
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| 21:07.19 | helix | I want to go to .ch for the sole purpose of acquiring cenovis |
| 21:07.23 | Eclipser | gosh |
| 21:07.27 | PerfDave | row: cronjobs should be e-mailed to the user who owns the cronjob. |
| 21:07.31 | Eclipser | takes forever to dist-upgrade to etch from sarge |
| 21:07.37 | FlimFlamMan | or legal absinthe |
| 21:07.37 | JQuazar | blast there is a modem here... good thing two serials are listed :) Minicom says "offline" that means I'm not connected properly, right? |
| 21:07.38 | tarzeau | helix: what's cenovis, can't find it in dict |
| 21:07.44 | tiCo89 | you mean geneva? |
| 21:07.48 | helix | tarzeau: it's a kind of food like marmite |
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| 21:07.55 | FlimFlamMan | ummm, what's marmite |
| 21:07.55 | helix | like a yeast... paste |
| 21:07.56 | _rene_ | FlimFlamMan: I'd not. Just use /usr/bin/python2.4 instead of /usr/bin/python |
| 21:07.58 | row | PerfDave: during install you get to pic it in base config, like real-<username> redirects mail for root? |
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| 21:08.06 | helix | FlimFlamMan: fermented yeast |
| 21:08.17 | unstable | Eclipser: So don't install anything on sarge, and when you do an upgrade from sarge to etch it will be quick, then install what you want once you have etch. |
| 21:08.19 | FlimFlamMan | _rene_, we're setting up a python application server and must use 2.4 to support some packages |
| 21:08.21 | tarzeau | helix: for a soup? you travel to switzerland? |
| 21:08.24 | tiCo89 | cheese-soup (fondue)? |
| 21:08.26 | _rene_ | FlimFlamMan: of course, you then can remove the 2.3 ones when you want |
| 21:08.30 | Eclipser | unstable, well yeah :p |
| 21:08.33 | helix | tarzeau: I don't think cenovis is soup |
| 21:08.39 | PerfDave | row: Yes, that's redirecting mail for root, not anything to do with cron. You can change it by editing /etc/aliases |
| 21:08.40 | _rene_ | FlimFlamMan: but I'd not change the system default (contained in "python") |
| 21:08.40 | tarzeau | helix: marmite is |
| 21:08.40 | Eclipser | I just had to download 800MB to dist-upgrade :p |
| 21:08.46 | FlimFlamMan | _rene_, ok, didn't know if sarge needed 2.3 for anything |
| 21:08.47 | cjaymes | JQuazar: maybe; most serial doesn't really have a true connected state, so it may not matter |
| 21:08.50 | _rene_ | FlimFlamMan: that's why I said "use /usr/bin/python2.4" |
| 21:08.54 | FlimFlamMan | ok |
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| 21:08.57 | Eclipser | that didn't take long but the installing is still running :p |
| 21:09.00 | helix | tarzeau: marmite is /not/ soup |
| 21:09.10 | tarzeau | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:09.22 | unstable | Eclipser: Or just don't use sarge at all, and download the etch netinstall disc. |
| 21:09.25 | unstable | !tell Eclipser about etch |
| 21:09.26 | helix | tarzeau: oh weird -- but no that's not what I mean :) |
| 21:09.30 | helix | tarzeau: also: http://www.cenovis.ch/index_en.html |
| 21:09.33 | tarzeau | helix: let me check google pictures |
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| 21:09.37 | Eclipser | unstable, I had sarge installed since it was released :) |
| 21:09.55 | tiCo89 | looks like... hmmm... shit? |
| 21:09.57 | tarzeau | helix: yikes. looks like dog food. where the fcuk did you find THAT? |
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| 21:10.08 | JQuazar | I'm freaking out now, must be because I'm trying an inferior OS on another laptop I have handy |
| 21:10.11 | helix | tarzeau: on wikipedia! |
| 21:10.14 | cjaymes | JQuazar: most of the time only the send, receive and ground pins are connected in devices (and you said no flow control, so no cts/rts) |
| 21:10.24 | helix | tiCo89: but it probably tastes good! |
| 21:10.31 | tarzeau | helix: c'mon i'll show you the best swiss chocolate, beer, watches, fondue etc... |
| 21:10.31 | helix | you two should go buy some |
| 21:10.32 | tiCo89 | helix: iih nooo |
| 21:10.34 | helix | I can't get it in the US |
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| 21:10.39 | JQuazar | path of least resistance is fine for now, I only need to do one command ;) |
| 21:10.44 | tiCo89 | i never saw this "food" in a store |
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| 21:10.46 | helix | tiCo89: I don't drink beer or eat chocolate or cheese :) |
| 21:10.58 | helix | switzerland only has cenovis to offer me, I'm afraid |
| 21:11.00 | tiCo89 | helix: hmm, so maybe... |
| 21:11.05 | abrotman | helix: https://merchant.deckpoint.ch/19/index.asp?lng=en .. international orders accepted |
| 21:11.15 | helix | abrotman: do I have to pay international shipping? |
| 21:11.20 | cjaymes | JQuazar: oh, the cisco docs didn't say anything about straight or null modem cables did they? |
| 21:11.24 | helix | that's what I want to avoid |
| 21:11.26 | tarzeau | abrotman: wtf |
| 21:11.33 | abrotman | helix: it's cheaper than a plane ticket :) |
| 21:11.33 | helix | someone from .ch is coming to debconf anyway, so I will ask him to bring cenovis |
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| 21:11.35 | JQuazar | cjaymes, I'm using their cable so it has to be right |
| 21:11.37 | abrotman | tarzeau: wtf wtf! |
| 21:11.39 | tiCo89 | helix: but in *.ch you can snowboard with tarzeau and me |
| 21:11.44 | helix | snowboarding sounds rad |
| 21:11.56 | helix | I'm in florida; we don't know what snow is |
| 21:12.11 | tarzeau | abrotman: still working? |
| 21:12.12 | yggdrasil_ | i was supposed to go tomorow |
| 21:12.19 | abrotman | helix: only $20 shipping :) |
| 21:12.20 | yggdrasil_ | but the old lady decided to take the day off |
| 21:12.22 | helix | abrotman: ha |
| 21:12.23 | FlimFlamMan | it's that stuff that washes up in big bales on the beach down there. |
| 21:12.37 | abrotman | tarzeau: don't you have a date? |
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| 21:13.06 | tiCo89 | someone here on the log knows this "food" |
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| 21:13.09 | tarzeau | abrotman: find me one from www.meinbild.ch |
| 21:13.15 | tiCo89 | s/log/lug |
| 21:13.19 | pokkie | anybody know? |
| 21:13.20 | abrotman | tarzeau: get helix to find you a date |
| 21:13.23 | helix | tiCo89: do they like it? |
| 21:13.36 | helix | tarzeau: march 31st is your date |
| 21:13.36 | tiCo89 | helix: he means it's salty |
| 21:13.39 | helix | yes |
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| 21:13.58 | tiCo89 | helix: tarzeau asks what happens at 31. march?! |
| 21:14.11 | cjaymes | JQuazar: I can't really think of anything else; sucks I don't have anything to test with in front of me |
| 21:14.11 | vimman | is there any command line way to get the snapshot of the screen |
| 21:14.11 | helix | I don't know; abrotman asked me to find a date for him |
| 21:14.31 | abrotman | fuck .. i thought it was 1715 EST .. damn it .. |
| 21:14.40 | tiCo89 | helix: tarzeau wrote a mail on meinbild.ch to a girl with my mail-adress =( |
| 21:14.42 | JQuazar | cjaymes, thanks bud I know just how you're feeling... the good news, that crummy other OS is talking so it's not a crisis |
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| 21:14.56 | helix | heh ok |
| 21:15.10 | cjaymes | JQuazar: heh, I can help you with the other os |
| 21:15.15 | unstable | abrotman: You have any idea? |
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| 21:15.40 | Pihhan | have you ever met not ready errors when burning DVD like http://paste.axpr.net/?show=275 ? |
| 21:15.46 | Eclipser | mmh |
| 21:15.49 | Eclipser | nice nice |
| 21:15.52 | Eclipser | /etc/X11/X is not executable |
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| 21:16.09 | deadcat | karsten: if you gonna be there tomorrow can you bring that machine again? |
| 21:16.22 | MrPanda | what conf files manages the global character set ? i get "â" chars in my kernel sources files when building |
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| 21:17.08 | unknown_ | Hello! I have a problem with my nertwork configuration,If I type "ping 127.0.0.1" I receive From "83.XXX.XX.XXX icmp_seq=1 Destination Net Unreachable"... someone knows a solution ? |
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| 21:17.20 | weasel00 | do i add vhosts to the sites-availeble or sites-enabled defualt in apache2? |
| 21:17.21 | Pihhan | MrPanda: i believe in linux (debian at least) is not something like global character set |
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| 21:17.40 | kronoz | unknown: that would indicate theres something wrong with the interface |
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| 21:17.59 | unknown_ | kronoz : Do you know what could help ? |
| 21:18.02 | kronoz | unknown: try 'ifup eth0' |
| 21:18.15 | Pihhan | MrPanda: only locales controls used character set, and file managers like nautilus or konqueror expect it as utf-8 |
| 21:18.24 | unknown_ | kronoz : I get "ifup: interface eth0 already configured |
| 21:18.24 | unknown_ | " |
| 21:18.40 | nougat | unknown_: check that you have a lo interface |
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| 21:19.11 | MrPanda | Pihhan : what could make the linux system read a â instead of a space in my source files ? |
| 21:19.15 | unknown_ | nougat : "ifconfig lo" ? |
| 21:19.33 | JQuazar | cjaymes (et al), switching to new DSL router wish me luck! |
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| 21:19.59 | nougat | unknown_ : just do ifconfig -a and check that an lo entry appears |
| 21:20.10 | Pihhan | MrPanda: errors in your filesystem, or bad videocard memory |
| 21:20.12 | unknown_ | nougat : No, it doesnt |
| 21:20.18 | cjaymes | hmm |
| 21:20.24 | nougat | thats your problem, you need a loopback interface |
| 21:20.52 | unknown_ | nougat : How can I add this device ? |
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| 21:20.53 | cjaymes | our day to day it guy has been gone (laid off) for about a week; already MBSA shows Severe Risk for 5 computers |
| 21:20.58 | MrPanda | Pihhan : i ll try disabling framebuffer and agp, it s a gateway anyway |
| 21:21.20 | cjaymes | buuuuttt, I'll be laid off on the 31, so I *might* not get around to fixing them :) |
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| 21:21.27 | nougat | unknown_: not sure on linux...it's straightforward on solaris :) |
| 21:21.37 | nougat | are you running a custom kernel? |
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| 21:22.11 | unknown_ | no, i have installed an kernel image |
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| 21:22.32 | Hessophanes | unknown: Does your /etc/network/interfaces contain a line saying "iface lo inet loopback"? |
| 21:22.33 | cjaymes | what's the stable kernel #? |
| 21:22.38 | unknown_ | nougat : 2.6.8-11-amd64-k8 =) |
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| 21:22.55 | concept10 | Could someone possibly give me some insight into this? When I turn my laptop on, the CD ROM is continually accessing. It will not mount or stop accessing for the entire time that the system is on. Any suggestions? |
| 21:22.56 | Cyorxamp | my USB device is on ID 0ea0:6858 - can I look up what /dev/ location that is!!? |
| 21:23.03 | lpb-oberon | cjaymes: www.kernel.org |
| 21:23.22 | cjaymes | lpb-oberon, I mean packaged in debian |
| 21:23.44 | cjaymes | concept10: is there media in the drive? |
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| 21:23.58 | concept10 | cjaymes, it happens when media is in the drive or not |
| 21:24.21 | nougat | Cyorxamp: not directly, you need to find out what driver has opened the device if any, and then see whether the driver did anything |
| 21:24.28 | concept10 | I tried to disable it from BIOS but options are scare |
| 21:24.50 | Cyorxamp | nougat, I thought linux didn't have 'drivers' |
| 21:24.54 | MrPanda | i totally took the problem the wrong way, thx pihhan, the chars i see are bugged terminal conf, they re " ' " chars not displaying correctly. problem comes from make menuconfig itself. i m going to check on the GCC side |
| 21:25.09 | nougat | Cyorxamp : you thought wrong...hehe how do you think linux operates all your devices? |
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| 21:25.18 | lpb-oberon | :) |
| 21:25.20 | kronoz | of course linux has drivers |
| 21:25.22 | lpb-oberon | magic:) |
| 21:25.43 | Cyorxamp | As in 'drivers' is more of a windows thing (i.e. specifically mastered software controlled from a central point) |
| 21:26.00 | loggygreg | does resize2fs can resize ext3 fs ? |
| 21:26.01 | Cyorxamp | as in linux 'drivers' are just software accessing the dev locations as files |
| 21:26.04 | nougat | Cyorxamp : check out the drivers directory of the kernel source, if you dont believe me |
| 21:26.15 | stoned | I am playing old super mario games on the SNES and I feel like I am 10 years old again wow, man so many memories. What I wouldn't give to be a kid again. A kid, if knew about linux/debian back in the day, would be a grand sysadmin by now :( |
| 21:26.22 | lpb-oberon | try to create your own kernel .. run make menuconfig or whatever |
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| 21:26.29 | Cyorxamp | my USB device is on ID 0ea0:6858 - can I look up what /dev/ location that is!!? |
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| 21:26.34 | lpb-oberon | an you will see somthing like device drivers:) |
| 21:26.38 | Cyorxamp | it a simple fucking question! |
| 21:26.40 | stew | Cyorxamp: huh? linux drivers don't go through the filesystem to get to their devices |
| 21:26.41 | cjaymes | Cyorxamp: linux drivers are usually providing devices in /dev |
| 21:26.45 | Cyorxamp | lsusb knows where it is |
| 21:26.50 | Cyorxamp | I just need the location in /dev |
| 21:26.50 | nougat | Cyorxamp : the device ID identifies the brand and model of the device, it's not specific to your system |
| 21:26.54 | pontus21 | how to do to shrink a partition whithout lost data ? |
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| 21:27.10 | stew | Cyorxamp: what kind of device is it? |
| 21:27.16 | Cyorxamp | stew - it's a nokia phone |
| 21:27.28 | Cyorxamp | I need to tell Gnocky (my data suite) where it is |
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| 21:27.49 | jnco | dude cyor |
| 21:27.52 | jnco | i will help you |
| 21:27.52 | nougat | Cyorxamp : look at the end of /var/log/kern.log to see if a driver was loaded and / or if it spoke up |
| 21:27.53 | jnco | check it |
| 21:28.19 | lpb-oberon | Cyorxamp: a good way is to use udev and SYSFS |
| 21:28.19 | Cyorxamp | this is madness linux DOESNT have drivers... |
| 21:28.24 | Cyorxamp | I was explicitly told this |
| 21:28.27 | jnco | shutup idiot |
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| 21:28.28 | jnco | listen |
| 21:28.31 | jnco | type this dmesg |less |
| 21:28.35 | weasel00 | does apache2.conf replace the functionality of httpd.conf? |
| 21:28.39 | jnco | it will show you where it mounted your usb device |
| 21:28.47 | jnco | for instance |
| 21:28.56 | jnco | hdc: ADAPTI CDROM 24X |
| 21:28.59 | jnco | hdc = my cdrom |
| 21:29.07 | cjaymes | Cyorxamp: let me implicitly tell you, every real operating system has drivers |
| 21:29.09 | lpb-oberon | Cyorxamp: BUS="usb", SYSFS{serial}="SNDK9B8484126***01", KERNEL="sd?1", NAME="%k", SYMLINK="cruzer" |
| 21:29.10 | PerfDave | Cyorxamp: Drivers for what? |
| 21:29.12 | lpb-oberon | like that |
| 21:29.21 | Cyorxamp | this is madness |
| 21:29.33 | lpb-oberon | go away:) |
| 21:29.40 | Cyorxamp | gnokii is my driver |
| 21:29.46 | Cyorxamp | gnocky is the front end for it |
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| 21:32.46 | loggygreg | does resize2fs can resize ext3 fs ? |
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| 21:33.51 | menko | Hi, I have a fluxbox style here, which wants to use the font -*-bitstream vera sans-bold-r-normal-*-10-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1:shadow for most of the fonts. I used to use this sty;e, but in debian the fonts for this style are huge. According to apt and dfontmgr, the font exists. If I try to change the *-10-* there to something smaller, it stays exactly the same though. So what can I do about it? |
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| 21:36.24 | fresh_oyster | loggygreg : yes |
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| 21:36.47 | [peruvien] | hi... who knows what is the most CAD application usage? |
| 21:36.53 | menko | also, in mandriva xfontserver was used, could that be to do with this, is xfontserver important at all? It's not enabled here. |
| 21:37.17 | pontus21 | fresh_oyster, thank you |
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| 21:38.10 | loggygreg | fresh_oyster: have you tried it ? |
| 21:38.13 | menko | I asked dpkg about font guide, but the link there is broken |
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| 21:38.29 | weasel00 | hmm.. tihnk i just might reinstall the whole server at this point.. *sigh* |
| 21:38.36 | jnco | =/ |
| 21:38.48 | Kerr | is there a way to use a wildcard with unzip, to unzip multiple files? unzip *.zip doesn |
| 21:38.51 | Kerr | 't work |
| 21:39.02 | fresh_oyster | loggygreg : no, but as ext3 is just ext2+journal, it will work |
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| 21:39.14 | stew | Kerr: it does, but you might need to escape it for your shell: unzip \*.zip |
| 21:39.21 | stew | Kerr: or unzip "*.zip" |
| 21:39.25 | [peruvien] | What is the CAD solution for mechanical engineering? |
| 21:39.26 | madradrone | is it some policy violation to configure php with oracle instant client support? |
| 21:39.52 | stew | Kerr: otherwise your shell expands it first and asks unzip to extract one .zip from another .zip |
| 21:39.55 | fresh_oyster | [peruvien] : pro/e wildfire? |
| 21:40.00 | lpb-oberon | Kerr: for i in `ls *zip`; do unzip $i; done; |
| 21:40.20 | jnco | guys you know whats wrong with my display manager |
| 21:40.34 | jnco | i try to start one of em, xdm, kdm whatever |
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| 21:40.46 | jnco | and it just resizes 3 times then goes back to prompt |
| 21:40.51 | jnco | i look in the log |
| 21:40.55 | [peruvien] | fresh_oyster, what is the best similar AutoDESK's AutoCAD? |
| 21:41.05 | abrotman | apt-cache search CAD |
| 21:41.06 | jnco | and cant figure out the issue nor can i copy and paste it because i havent installed vmtools |
| 21:41.13 | fresh_oyster | [peruvien] : oh, 2d... |
| 21:41.13 | lpb-oberon | jnco: missing mouse or graphics dirver |
| 21:41.15 | abrotman | there is *nothing* like autocad for linux |
| 21:41.15 | lpb-oberon | try vesa |
| 21:41.17 | nougat | jnco: your xorg.conf needs fixing |
| 21:41.19 | jnco | ok |
| 21:41.23 | [peruvien] | thax abrotman |
| 21:41.26 | jnco | try vesa.. whats the command to reconfigure it again |
| 21:41.34 | fresh_oyster | you can try qcad...which is ....basic |
| 21:41.44 | nougat | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 21:41.45 | lpb-oberon | dpkg-reconfigre xserver-xorg |
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| 21:41.52 | lpb-oberon | .. |
| 21:41.53 | jnco | thank you gentlemen |
| 21:42.02 | nougat | or you can just edit xorg.conf by hand, it's not that terrible |
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| 21:42.16 | jnco | dpkg easier |
| 21:42.16 | dpkg | easier is, like, a word trademarked by microsoft. |
| 21:42.18 | jnco | i know. |
| 21:42.23 | [peruvien] | thank fresh_oyster |
| 21:42.24 | jnco | hahah |
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| 21:43.01 | jnco | um says xserver not installed |
| 21:43.04 | jnco | i think im using free96 |
| 21:43.08 | jnco | free86 or something |
| 21:43.16 | stoned | lol |
| 21:43.16 | jnco | im ashamed to be such a newbie |
| 21:43.21 | stoned | lol that was hilarious |
| 21:43.26 | stoned | sorry but hehe |
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| 21:43.32 | jnco | XFree86 |
| 21:43.34 | solid_liq | anyone know how to get the encryption certificate from Equifax? I need it for verification for GMail for fetchmail |
| 21:43.37 | stoned | free 96 |
| 21:43.38 | stoned | lol |
| 21:43.41 | jnco | =P |
| 21:43.42 | stoned | thats priceless |
| 21:43.50 | jnco | iu cant wait to get home from work |
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| 21:43.52 | jnco | to smoke a giant blunt |
| 21:43.52 | wols_ | jnco: install x-window-system |
| 21:43.52 | stoned | oh man im still crackin up |
| 21:43.57 | jnco | if that makes u feel better stoned |
| 21:44.01 | abrotman | stoned: lay off the enter key |
| 21:44.10 | DanielC | Question: when I 'apt-get install foo', what's the difference between "suggested" and "recommended" packages? |
| 21:44.11 | JQuazar | stoned, are you stoned? :) |
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| 21:44.21 | stoned | jnco, apt-get install x-window-system-core |
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| 21:44.27 | abrotman | DanielC: man apt-get .. should explain |
| 21:44.28 | jnco | install: too few arguments |
| 21:44.31 | tekian | Could anyone walk me through getting my pcmcia wireless card recognized? |
| 21:44.33 | JQuazar | cjames, dude I'm back in biz! |
| 21:44.49 | jnco | alraedy newest version |
| 21:44.52 | jnco | potboy |
| 21:44.56 | stoned | jnco, also install read-edid discover |
| 21:45.04 | abrotman | jnco: what kind of mouse do you have? what mouse device did you tell it to use? |
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| 21:45.17 | stoned | potboy |
| 21:45.18 | jnco | i dont think its the mouse, i think its the display |
| 21:45.22 | jnco | i get display errors in the log |
| 21:45.28 | abrotman | jnco: paste your log somewhere |
| 21:45.29 | wols_ | !tell jnco about drxx |
| 21:45.29 | abrotman | !paste |
| 21:45.30 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 21:45.35 | jnco | i cant , sorrow. |
| 21:45.41 | jnco | ok. |
| 21:45.44 | stoned | nimrod |
| 21:45.46 | jnco | i did the command before |
| 21:46.05 | jnco | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 21:46.15 | jnco | what would be the other xserver |
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| 21:46.23 | wols_ | !tell jnco about drxx |
| 21:46.25 | wols_ | it tells you |
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| 21:46.55 | abrotman | jnco: what kind of mouse do you have? what mouse device did you tell it to use? |
| 21:47.05 | jnco | dude |
| 21:47.10 | jnco | i didnt use the psx |
| 21:47.17 | js_ | i got a debian box running as a router using iptables.. but i want to block internet connection from a certain ip in my lan.. how can i do that? |
| 21:47.23 | ludi | Is debian etch progressed enough to install onto a new hard drive? |
| 21:47.36 | ludi | kind of a weird question I know |
| 21:47.39 | jnco | or.. i used the right ps2 |
| 21:47.52 | tekian | Could anyone walk me through getting my pcmcia wireless card recognized please? |
| 21:48.13 | JQuazar | js_, how about /etc/hosts.deny? |
| 21:48.17 | wols_ | jnco: yes you can. write your own rule script for ipmasq |
| 21:48.19 | pokkie | ok, anybody here ever implemented a blacklist in /etc/modprobe.d/ ? |
| 21:49.04 | jnco | ok |
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| 21:49.18 | jnco | i used vesa: i got further then before i believe, now it says fatal error: no screens found |
| 21:49.24 | jnco | should i play with my monitor config? |
| 21:49.50 | jnco | jnco: yes |
| 21:49.53 | jnco | ok trying now |
| 21:50.42 | menko | ok, it seems fluxbox can't even see the font for some reason. If I delete the reference to what kind of font to use in the style file, it makes no difference. So it must be using the default font. What could be the reason for this? |
| 21:51.13 | unknown_ | can someone tell me please, how i can enable boot.log? |
| 21:51.36 | jnco | (EE)VESA: No matching modes (EE)VESA: Screens found but none have usable configuration *DANG NABBIT |
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| 21:51.47 | itchi | !bootlog |
| 21:51.47 | dpkg | /etc/default/bootlogd now defaults to "no". Edit that to get your /var/log/boot file back. For more info, see bugs.debian.org/213028, or not a command (opposed to dmesg) |
| 21:51.50 | jnco | i tried setting it up, crt, simple, 19 inch |
| 21:51.53 | pokkie | !blacklist |
| 21:51.53 | dpkg | rumour has it, blacklist is Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 21:52.02 | itchi | unknown_: ^^ |
| 21:52.03 | unknown_ | thx =) |
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| 21:52.35 | jnco | ?? |
| 21:52.40 | jnco | no screens found |
| 21:52.45 | jnco | fatal error =( |
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| 21:53.17 | itchi | jnco: Post you're Xfree86 config on pastebin and paste the url here or so |
| 21:53.25 | jnco | pasting denied. |
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| 21:53.34 | jnco | im going through the gui to configure it |
| 21:53.45 | jnco | the gui dpkg |
| 21:54.08 | itchi | jnco: How so paste denied?; explain the problem |
| 21:54.09 | js_ | JQuazar: i want the host that has internet access via nat to not have internet access |
| 21:54.25 | jnco | vmware, no tools installed, internet on debian busted. |
| 21:55.00 | jnco | ok, i had problems with the vmware display config for xfree86 so i changed to to vesa and it works better but now it states no screens found |
| 21:55.08 | jnco | (EE)VESA: No matching modes (EE)VESA: Screens found but none have usable configuration |
| 21:55.17 | jnco | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 21:55.23 | jnco | is the command i use to configure it |
| 21:55.29 | madclicker | where could i get a cheap SSL certificate? |
| 21:55.48 | JQuazar | js_, you can write a custom rule and get what you want, but my understanding is that hosts.deny just turns off all TCP/IP for the specified entry |
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| 21:56.10 | JQuazar | madclicker define cheap |
| 21:56.20 | fugit | madclicker: you can get a free one |
| 21:56.39 | fugit | madlclicker: one sec for a link |
| 21:56.49 | madclicker | i need a legit one. that is signed by a certified org |
| 21:56.50 | js_ | JQuazar: hosts.* controls access to applications that use tcpwrappers.. i kinda wanted someone to write me that iptables rule i need.. because nothing ive tried has worked :) |
| 21:56.57 | pokkie | !etch |
| 21:56.58 | dpkg | etch is, like, the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ . Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from our web site, http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer. |
| 21:57.10 | pokkie | !sid |
| 21:57.11 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 21:57.16 | JQuazar | js_ I think I use iptables here at home, let me look once |
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| 21:58.14 | oximox | selam |
| 21:58.23 | fugit | madlclicker: http://www.thoron.iki.fi/postfix/postfix-tls-cacert.shtml for free one, i tried a cheap one but ended up using thawte |
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| 21:58.52 | fugit | madlclicker: CAcert.org |
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| 21:59.23 | madclicker | fugit, thank you |
| 21:59.38 | fugit | madlclicker: np |
| 21:59.43 | nougat | anyone in here know exim4 acls? |
| 22:00.27 | nougat | I'd like to set an acl denying relaying from a local address to a local address when the connecting host is not a local host |
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| 22:01.04 | BadMan | wow, what a difference a new woody disc 1 makes... |
| 22:01.13 | JQuazar | does IE and FireFox recognize CAcert.org? free's a nice price |
| 22:01.19 | BadMan | base system is singing right along... |
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| 22:02.17 | multi_io | how do you report bugs in debian packages? |
| 22:02.27 | abrotman | !tell multi_io about reportbug |
| 22:02.59 | happy_mac | hi all - any PPC users? |
| 22:03.03 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 22:03.03 | dpkg | i guess ppc is is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc and/or #debian-ppc |
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| 22:03.43 | BadMan | lol... If i had a ppc I'd give it to you dpkg :-ppppppp |
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| 22:03.53 | itchi | !tell multi_io about reportbug |
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| 22:04.02 | abrotman | that was useful |
| 22:04.04 | happy_mac | I was wondering what the slowest apple hardware is that will run a decend distro with a gui |
| 22:04.15 | abrotman | happy_mac: ask #debianppc |
| 22:04.15 | happy_mac | decent |
| 22:04.25 | happy_mac | thanks - I will |
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| 22:04.30 | abrotman | i think the m68ks can run X |
| 22:04.37 | happy_mac | really? |
| 22:04.53 | happy_mac | I'm running Ubuntu on an iMac |
| 22:05.08 | abrotman | good for you |
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| 22:05.23 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 22:05.24 | dpkg | Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntulinux.org and/or visit #ubuntu, right here on IRC. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
| 22:05.25 | JQuazar | boggle |
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| 22:05.52 | solid_liq | !certificate |
| 22:05.58 | solid_liq | !fetchmail |
| 22:06.08 | happy_mac | based on debian |
| 22:06.25 | abrotman | so? go to #ubuntu |
| 22:06.35 | JQuazar | !based on debian |
| 22:06.35 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 22:06.36 | PsychoMonkey | can someone tell me if debian supports ALI Sata raid controllers? |
| 22:06.54 | happy_mac | sorry if I'm a bit slow, but is dpkg a bot? |
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| 22:07.23 | JQuazar | seems to be |
| 22:07.26 | niaht_w | happy_mac: yes. |
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| 22:07.37 | abrotman | dpkg: what are you |
| 22:07.38 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
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| 22:07.47 | happy_mac | cool - pretty advanced |
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| 22:08.11 | abrotman | happy_mac: go try ubotu in #ubuntu |
| 22:08.18 | wols_ | PsychoMonkey: check if Linux itself supports it. if yes, then so does debian |
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| 22:08.31 | Blissex | dpkg: can you color any map with just four colors? |
| 22:08.38 | happy_mac | thanks, abrot. I'll do that |
| 22:08.45 | PsychoMonkey | ok. cause when i do an install, it only recognizes the IDE drive and not the 2 sata drives |
| 22:08.55 | multi_io | thanks abrotman, itchi |
| 22:09.17 | PsychoMonkey | should i try the actuall install disks. I've been trying the network install disk instead |
| 22:09.27 | PsychoMonkey | and it does work in ubuntu and fedora 4 |
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| 22:09.34 | wols_ | PsychoMonkey: you might need a newer kernel verion on your boot medium |
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| 22:09.48 | wols_ | !sarge 2.6.15 |
| 22:09.48 | dpkg | i guess sarge 2.6.15 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm or for amd64/em64t http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615-amd64.htm |
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| 22:09.56 | PsychoMonkey | ok. thanks |
| 22:09.57 | abrotman | !sarge uni |
| 22:09.57 | dpkg | sarge unofficial netinstallers see <sarge 2.6.12> <sarge 2.6.14> and/or <sarge 2.6.15>, or use at your own risk and not officially a sarge installation. The 2.6.15 may use yaird, beware. |
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| 22:10.03 | multi_io | is it possible to install a package and remove another in one atomic step? |
| 22:10.08 | abrotman | yes ... |
| 22:10.18 | multi_io | (they both provide the same capability and conflict with each other) |
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| 22:10.31 | abrotman | installing one will remove the other |
| 22:10.37 | multi_io | no |
| 22:10.41 | multi_io | tried that :) |
| 22:10.45 | abrotman | if they conflict .. they should |
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| 22:11.35 | weasel00 | yay.. cable should be here in a couple hours woot! 6mbs pipe at home finally =) |
| 22:11.46 | abrotman | boo comcast |
| 22:11.55 | itchi | Is it complicated to setup 'blootbot' if we know nothing about perl? I search to setup my first bot, some references to use simple bots? |
| 22:11.57 | weasel00 | cheaper than sbc =) |
| 22:12.59 | weasel00 | abrotman : cheaper and now we have 14+ computers on the net at anygiven time... dsl just isnt cutting it anymore =( |
| 22:13.40 | pokkie | hmmm, if ifconfig doesn't show up any information, does that mean that the network module is most likely not loaded? |
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| 22:14.31 | wols_ | pokkie: could also be your ethernet is not configured in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:14.34 | itchi | Is there an already existing irc channel where we can get help about bots? So for my questions to setup my first bot here on the irc. |
| 22:14.47 | wols_ | dmeg will tell you if there are any ethX interfaces |
| 22:14.48 | multi_io | the packages are exim and (self-built) qmail-equiv |
| 22:16.01 | phaedral | clue on getting k3b to write to dvd+r? it's asking for dvd-r, but guess what I've got here in the house... |
| 22:16.01 | pokkie | wols_: good point ;) |
| 22:16.01 | multi_io | exim is installed and I want to replace ti with qmail-equiv |
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| 22:16.02 | wols_ | itchi: #supybot deals with a bot, right here on freenode. not blootbot of course |
| 22:16.02 | multi_io | exim provides and conflicts with mail-transport-agent |
| 22:16.03 | weasel00 | itchi : there are some good docs online regarding bots |
| 22:16.03 | multi_io | qmail provides mail-transport-agent |
| 22:16.03 | jengelh | i started the debian netinstaller, etc.pp. It wanted me to give a HTTP proxy. Can't I install over FTP? |
| 22:16.03 | wols_ | multi_io: so install postfix. it will automatically remove exim |
| 22:16.03 | multi_io | *qmail-equiv |
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| 22:16.03 | Blissex | multi_io: you can do it as long as you do both at the same time.... |
| 22:16.03 | wols_ | and so does installing qmail |
| 22:16.09 | chealer | jengelh: sure |
| 22:16.16 | Blissex | multi_io: and you can add the right line to 'qmail-equiv' to have it remove 'exim' |
| 22:16.26 | jengelh | chealer : it did not give me the possiblity. Did I miss something? |
| 22:16.27 | multi_io | Blissex: what dpkg command line? |
| 22:16.41 | multi_io | hm |
| 22:16.57 | chealer | jengelh: I don't know. is there a reason you don't install over HTTP though? |
| 22:17.01 | Blissex | multi_io: I was thinking more 'aptitude' or 'Synaptic': mark one to install, the other remove, and go. |
| 22:17.18 | itchi | wols_: It's a bot? Right? So i can install that bot locally and install and ask my first questions about it there. Yes, apt find it here; its an pkg. Many thanks i try it :-) |
| 22:17.20 | jengelh | chealer : http does work. there's no real reason i want ftp. |
| 22:17.37 | weasel00 | jengelh : leave the proxy entry blank and hit ok |
| 22:17.41 | chealer | jengelh: well you should be able to install over http |
| 22:17.44 | wols_ | multi_io: apt-get isntall qmail |
| 22:17.45 | wols_ | done |
| 22:17.53 | Ronin | wols_: not exactly :) |
| 22:17.56 | itchi | weasel00: Yes, i know; like that one of blootbot, but for the first bot it's a bit complicate i find; i know to less about perl :-( |
| 22:17.59 | weasel00 | jengelh : the next screen will ask for install source |
| 22:18.03 | doml | "Error: isntall command not found" |
| 22:18.10 | multi_io | wols_: I built the qmail-equiv package myself using equivs |
| 22:18.13 | pokkie | wols_: do i need to reboot for /etc/network/interfaces to take affect? |
| 22:18.15 | wols_ | anytime you isntall another MTA, the old one will be deinstalled. end of story (no matter what apt frontend you use) |
| 22:18.21 | wols_ | if this doesn't happen you |
| 22:18.22 | multi_io | so it's not in the package list |
| 22:18.24 | Ronin | doml: typo |
| 22:18.31 | Cyorxamp | Hi folks, I need to look up the /dev/ location of my USB device..... lsusb can see it - anyone know how!?!! |
| 22:18.37 | wols_ | then you're responsible for proper debian/ scripts |
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| 22:19.20 | doml | ronin: command not found: typo |
| 22:19.26 | doml | couldn't have been a typo then ;) |
| 22:19.40 | Ronin | do no i mean if you cut and pasted that error |
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| 22:20.00 | Ronin | smart guy |
| 22:20.12 | itchi | wols_: supybot It runs Python :-) Mega :-) :-) |
| 22:20.15 | multi_io | are you saying the MTA packages remove other MTA packages in their preinst scripts? |
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| 22:23.21 | Blissex | pokkie: no, no need to reboot, just 'ifdown' and 'ifup' as needed... |
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| 22:23.49 | Blissex | multi_io: no, packages have ''override'' lines that tell to the package manager what to do if there are conflicts |
| 22:23.56 | itchi | wols_: I love you :-) supybot's website run's Plone :-) |
| 22:24.00 | Cyorxamp | Hi folks, I need to look up the /dev/ location of my USB device..... lsusb can see it - anyone know how!?!! |
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| 22:24.12 | wols_ | supybot folks are very helpful too |
| 22:24.16 | Blissex | multi_io: it just happens that MTAs are packages in that way. |
| 22:24.22 | VulpesFoxnik | Cyorxamp: It's most likely sda |
| 22:24.46 | Cyorxamp | hmm what does that stand for!? |
| 22:24.55 | strider | Cyorxamp: check dmesg |
| 22:25.02 | Blissex | Cyorxamp: depends on the type of device, but have a look under '/proc/bus/usb/' |
| 22:25.02 | Cyorxamp | dmesg is useless |
| 22:25.06 | itchi | wols_: So these stuff use all my favorites tools, i hope i can help a bit with my Python knowledges or documentations or so |
| 22:25.07 | Cyorxamp | it just shoots out a load of shit |
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| 22:25.36 | VulpesFoxnik | Cyorxamp: Serial Device is my guess |
| 22:25.41 | wols_ | itchi: write plugins. they love those |
| 22:25.48 | VulpesFoxnik | Cyorxamp: All Usb hardrives are sd# |
| 22:25.51 | Coke | Hello. Every time I install a package the libgl libraries symlink on libGL.so.1, thus destroying my nvidia symlink. How can I fix this? |
| 22:25.56 | itchi | wols_: :-) |
| 22:26.02 | multi_io | hm, exim has no "override" line... |
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| 22:26.18 | ifvoid | hi |
| 22:26.22 | chealer | Coke: which package? |
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| 22:26.39 | ifvoid | Coke: install the nvidia drivers with a nice debian package |
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| 22:26.49 | wols_ | "are"? is that a royal "we"? |
| 22:26.49 | VulpesFoxnik | Cyorxamp: example: /dev/sda1 is my first partition on my 300 gb external USB 2 hardrive |
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| 22:27.04 | bipolar | I've got a problem with samba on sarge, official packages. Instead of using the domain I set with "workgroup =" it is using whatever I put in "Netbios Name =" as the domain. |
| 22:27.04 | Cyorxamp | I don't have that VulpesFoxnik |
| 22:27.08 | joseph | Here is my question: Take a clean install of sarge and upgrade it to etch. Now take a clean install of etch. Compare the packages installed in each case. Will there be a difference? |
| 22:27.10 | Cyorxamp | sda1 does not exist |
| 22:27.20 | ifvoid | joseph: there might be |
| 22:27.25 | ifvoid | joseph: not sure |
| 22:27.31 | itchi | wols_: Yes, i write it bad, im know not good enought english, i would mean 'is' |
| 22:27.31 | VulpesFoxnik | Cyorxamp: do you have a sda? |
| 22:27.34 | Cyorxamp | NO |
| 22:27.37 | wols_ | joseph: there might. sometimes old stuff from a previous install stays, like aconfig file |
| 22:27.38 | ifvoid | joseph: I guiess not, if just the base packages are installed |
| 22:27.55 | wols_ | joseph: but nothing functional is any different |
| 22:27.56 | VulpesFoxnik | Cyorxamp: do you have discover installed? |
| 22:28.06 | ifvoid | wols_: but the packages will probably be the same |
| 22:28.06 | Cyorxamp | never heard of it |
| 22:28.19 | wols_ | ifvoid: not just probably, certainly the same |
| 22:28.28 | pokkie | so for a developer workstation, do you guys recommend stable or testing? |
| 22:28.35 | VulpesFoxnik | Cyorxamp: the package watches your system for changes in hardware, such as plugging a usb hardrive in |
| 22:28.44 | wols_ | pokkie: depends what you develop |
| 22:28.56 | jengelh | I usually go with stable (indepent of distro) |
| 22:29.02 | jengelh | can't afford having a broken kernel or gcc |
| 22:29.04 | ifvoid | VulpesFoxnik: uh, no, that udev, dbus and hal |
| 22:29.05 | Cyorxamp | VulpesFoxnik, ok I'm getting it using apt-get |
| 22:29.07 | VulpesFoxnik | Cyorxamp: what kernel are you running? |
| 22:29.07 | joseph | wols_: but for example...xine is the backend for totem in the old version, and gstreamer is the default backend for totem in the new version. Would the upgrade be smart enough to take out xine and replace it with gstreamer? Or would it be dumb and just upgrade xine to whatever is the later version of xine. |
| 22:29.13 | itchi | pokkie: Testing; if you want also help with bugs and so |
| 22:29.14 | pokkie | wols_: mostly enterprise java apps |
| 22:29.16 | Cyorxamp | VulpesFoxnik, like I'd know that? |
| 22:29.17 | Cyorxamp | lol |
| 22:29.30 | VulpesFoxnik | ifvoid: my bad. |
| 22:29.39 | Cyorxamp | ok discover is installed |
| 22:29.58 | wols_ | joseph: xine might stay, but th new totem will use gstreamer |
| 22:30.09 | wols_ | and xine won't be used anymore |
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| 22:30.12 | joseph | hm |
| 22:30.12 | VulpesFoxnik | Cyorxamp: Are you running 2.6 or 2.4? |
| 22:30.13 | wols_ | pokkie: I'd use stable |
| 22:30.20 | Cyorxamp | VulpesFoxnik, I don't know! |
| 22:30.26 | pokkie | wols_: ok, ta |
| 22:30.27 | VulpesFoxnik | Cyorxamp: Look it up! |
| 22:30.30 | Cyorxamp | How! |
| 22:30.30 | joseph | what version of gnome is in stable? |
| 22:30.43 | wols_ | joseph: packages.debian.org |
| 22:30.49 | VulpesFoxnik | Cyorxamp: do you have aptitude or Synatic installed? |
| 22:30.52 | wols_ | !info gnome |
| 22:30.53 | joseph | I think it's 2.8 |
| 22:30.55 | dpkg | gnome: (The GNOME Desktop Environment, with extra components), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1:2.12.3 (sid), Packaged size: 11 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
| 22:30.56 | Cyorxamp | VulpesFoxnik, Synaptic |
| 22:30.58 | VulpesFoxnik | *synaptic |
| 22:30.59 | ifvoid | joseph: jep |
| 22:31.09 | wols_ | !stable gnome |
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| 22:31.22 | VulpesFoxnik | Cyorxamp: are you stable, unstable, or testing? |
| 22:31.30 | pokkie | !gnome |
| 22:31.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, gnome is a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or - to get gnome, ask about <install gnome> |
| 22:31.39 | Cyorxamp | VulpesFoxnik, 2.6 |
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| 22:31.51 | joseph | when the next version of debian comes out, I'm gonna format my hard drive and install stable and keep it that way. |
| 22:32.01 | Cyorxamp | VulpesFoxnik, I do not knnow |
| 22:32.10 | pokkie | how often do you guys update all the packages on your systems? |
| 22:32.25 | Cyorxamp | You don't know the answer to my question do you? |
| 22:32.34 | Cyorxamp | Your just tormenting me with questions I don't know |
| 22:32.41 | VulpesFoxnik | No, I just need more information |
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| 22:32.54 | Cyorxamp | Well I installed this 'discover' thing |
| 22:33.00 | jengelh | pokkie: whenever a new (stable) release is out (and time permits me to update) |
| 22:33.01 | Cyorxamp | Tell me what to go do with it |
| 22:33.01 | mezzapazza | hi ppl |
| 22:33.08 | VulpesFoxnik | in your /etc/apt/sources.list there is a line |
| 22:33.13 | itchi | piecesandbits: Updating my system one a day. |
| 22:33.20 | VulpesFoxnik | it should tell you if you are running Debian Stable, unstable, or testing |
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| 22:33.21 | Cyorxamp | VulpesFoxnik, there are lots of lines |
| 22:33.32 | pokkie | !stable |
| 22:33.33 | dpkg | i guess stable is the status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, and changes will only fix security issues. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is sarge 3.1r1, or ask me about releases. |
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| 22:33.39 | Cyorxamp | VulpesFoxnik, would the fact that I am not running debian help? |
| 22:33.40 | mezzapazza | does somebody know why i cant't export LD_preload variable from the script??? |
| 22:33.49 | Cyorxamp | VulpesFoxnik, and that infact this is Ubuntu |
| 22:33.57 | pokkie | jengelh: how long is the stable cycle? 1 per year? |
| 22:33.58 | jengelh | LD_PRELOAD, not LD_preload? |
| 22:34.03 | VulpesFoxnik | Zomg Ubuntu |
| 22:34.07 | Ronin | Cyorxamp: wrong channel then |
| 22:34.09 | VulpesFoxnik | lol |
| 22:34.12 | Cyorxamp | Oh here we go |
| 22:34.12 | wols_ | Cyorxamp: go to #ubuntu and stop wasting VulpesFoxnik' time |
| 22:34.16 | Cyorxamp | See? |
| 22:34.24 | VulpesFoxnik | wols_ Shutup |
| 22:34.24 | phaedral | looking for a clue on a gnome message; no one speaking at #gnome |
| 22:34.25 | Cyorxamp | Please everyone.... GET BENT |
| 22:34.33 | wols_ | well, knowingly lying is not a good way to endear you to people |
| 22:34.33 | Ronin | Cyorxamp: well what made you think askign about ubuntu in debian was a good idea? |
| 22:34.34 | mezzapazza | jangelh: yes i know, i just made a typo |
| 22:34.43 | pokkie | phaedral: whats up phaedral |
| 22:34.47 | strider | no wonder |
| 22:34.50 | pokkie | phaedral: oops ;) |
| 22:34.51 | Cyorxamp | Ronin, because half the time the folks in ubuntu don't have a clue |
| 22:34.59 | phaedral | message read: "ICE default IO error handler doing and exit(), pid = 6785, errno = 0 |
| 22:35.03 | VulpesFoxnik | As usual. |
| 22:35.06 | Cyorxamp | And I know debian and ubuntu are CLOSELY related - dispite what people say |
| 22:35.08 | phaedral | pokkie: no worries |
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| 22:35.15 | Cyorxamp | Now please - back to my problem |
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| 22:35.23 | Ronin | Cyorxamp: not our problem to be blunt, run debian and folks here will gladly help you |
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| 22:35.26 | VulpesFoxnik | Cyorxamp: are you running Breezy or Dapper? |
| 22:35.30 | Cyorxamp | Breezy |
| 22:35.32 | phaedral | Cyorxamp: you're asking for trouble with that line or reasoning |
| 22:35.36 | VulpesFoxnik | Thankyou |
| 22:35.39 | pokkie | phaedral: whats the problem? |
| 22:35.43 | Cyorxamp | phaedral, oh dear what a pitty |
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| 22:36.04 | vulture | it's in the damn topic.. really. |
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| 22:36.11 | phaedral | Cyorxamp: not from me, I migrated from Knoppix |
| 22:36.12 | vulture | "NOTE: this is NOT #ubuntu." |
| 22:36.13 | wols_ | VulpesFoxnik: can you go to #ubuntu with Cyorxamp please? |
| 22:36.19 | Cyorxamp | lol |
| 22:36.36 | Cyorxamp | They use similar kernels - the usb issue is the same in either |
| 22:36.36 | VulpesFoxnik | wols_: I will help anyone who asks for it |
| 22:36.39 | Cyorxamp | WHY IS THIS A PROBLEM |
| 22:36.48 | tiCo89 | tarzeau! |
| 22:36.48 | Cyorxamp | I am not asking about ANYTHING ubuntu specific |
| 22:36.51 | phaedral | community, dude |
| 22:36.55 | Ronin | becaue its not debian Cyorxamp |
| 22:36.55 | Cyorxamp | But NO! As soon as you learn its ubuntu I run |
| 22:36.57 | tiCo89 | tarzeau: *lol*, i'm in olten on the trainstation |
| 22:36.58 | mezzapazza | if i do export LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/audiooss.so and then start another xterm from that shell, LD_PRELOAD wont be exported?! |
| 22:37.01 | Cyorxamp | Then I am in the Ubuntu vs Debian war |
| 22:37.03 | Cyorxamp | FUCK OFF! |
| 22:37.03 | tiCo89 | a lot of open accesspoints :-) |
| 22:37.12 | wols_ | VulpesFoxnik: nut not in #debian when the problem is with ubuntu. so you and him can go there and solve the ubuntu problems all day |
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| 22:37.34 | tiCo89 | so my train's coming |
| 22:37.35 | tiCo89 | cu =) |
| 22:38.01 | VulpesFoxnik | wols It sounds like he's having a problem with udev. Thats not eactly a ubuntu or debian problem |
| 22:38.13 | Cyorxamp | oh wait for it... |
| 22:38.18 | Cyorxamp | he'll tell us to goto ##linux |
| 22:38.35 | wols_ | VulpesFoxnik: that doesn't matter. it's not a debian problem so it's not the right place to ask here. and since he found you to help him, you should go to #ubuntu and solve it there |
| 22:38.35 | Ronin | *cough* troll |
| 22:38.56 | phaedral | trying /ignore again; someday I'll get it to work for me |
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| 22:39.00 | mezzapazza | OMG... is there somebody over 17 | with a clue around here???? |
| 22:39.11 | Ronin | mezzapazza: missed the problem waht was it? |
| 22:39.16 | phaedral | mezzapazza: well over 17; some clues better than others |
| 22:39.18 | phaedral | :) |
| 22:39.32 | wols_ | mezzapazza: are you asking biological age or mental age? |
| 22:39.34 | yggdrasil_ | hey guys im running sid here and i see that the xfree86 has been udpated how do i upgrade only that package ? |
| 22:39.39 | mezzapazza | ronin: if i do export LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/audiooss.so and then start another xterm from that shell, LD_PRELOAD wont be exported?! |
| 22:39.41 | VulpesFoxnik | Cyorxamp: If you updated your kernel recently from the install I sudjest you purge your hotplugs |
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| 22:39.56 | Cyorxamp | VulpesFoxnik, because I have no sda? |
| 22:40.12 | mezzapazza | wols_: clue age, more | less :) |
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| 22:40.58 | mezzapazza | maybe there's some securuty braindamage i'm not aware of preventing export of LD_PRELOAD |
| 22:41.03 | VulpesFoxnik | Cyorxamp: Yes. apt-get remove hotplug --purge |
| 22:41.25 | sandman | Is there an electrically conductive wood, or some plant-derivative? |
| 22:41.37 | Cyorxamp | VulpesFoxnik, ok it's free-ing 80mb! |
| 22:41.41 | Cyorxamp | should I re-install after? |
| 22:41.49 | sandman | Or, are there working biological circuits working yet? |
| 22:42.05 | jengelh | Is it normal that the debian installer stays at 61% printing "Installing base packages..." for quite a while? |
| 22:42.05 | Cyorxamp | VulpesFoxnik, infact now it asks if I want to remove the kernel entirely |
| 22:42.11 | yggdrasil_ | whats the difference beetween xfree86 and xorg ? |
| 22:42.24 | yggdrasil_ | sandman yes the y have that where have you been for the last 10 years |
| 22:42.27 | VulpesFoxnik | Cyorxamp: then your kernel still uses hotplug instead of udev |
| 22:42.33 | sandman | yggdrasil_: The y? |
| 22:42.38 | chealer | yggdrasil_: one is a fork of the other |
| 22:42.38 | jengelh | I answer myself: yes |
| 22:42.38 | yggdrasil_ | they you know |
| 22:42.44 | Cyorxamp | VulpesFoxnik, well its removed a shit load of things already |
| 22:42.48 | Cyorxamp | should I continue removing? |
| 22:42.52 | VulpesFoxnik | Cyorxamp: no |
| 22:42.56 | Cyorxamp | cancel? |
| 22:43.02 | chealer | yggdrasil_: if you don'T know that, the first thing to do would be to reinstall a release appropriate for you |
| 22:43.03 | VulpesFoxnik | not until you update your kenel |
| 22:43.05 | yggdrasil_ | chealer ?wich one should i be running ? |
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| 22:43.15 | chealer | yggdrasil_: the one in your release |
| 22:43.16 | Cyorxamp | VulpesFoxnik, well how do I get back the things it got rid of! |
| 22:43.22 | yggdrasil_ | its xfree86 |
| 22:43.23 | yggdrasil_ | i htink |
| 22:43.29 | sandman | Well, I only ask because I'd like to build a totally self-sufficient and self-sustaining society in Oregon, without currency or trade, but with a strict and powerful democratic political system, and selective immigration. |
| 22:43.43 | VulpesFoxnik | Cyorxamp: It will reinstall them to satisfy the updated kenel |
| 22:43.54 | yggdrasil_ | sandman linux can do that |
| 22:43.55 | sandman | Surprisingly, Debian inspired it all. Debian says to me "a voluntary economy works" |
| 22:44.24 | VulpesFoxnik | Cyorxamp: What processor do you have? |
| 22:44.45 | Cyorxamp | ok I am not doing a full update using update-manager |
| 22:44.49 | Cyorxamp | it seems to insc |
| 22:44.53 | Cyorxamp | it seems to include udev |
| 22:44.54 | sandman | But any way, to do this I'd need to figure out the starting economy for the society. One thing I thought of is that many many things can be done with wood. We can grow wood :) |
| 22:45.11 | VulpesFoxnik | ok after it installs udev, it's going to ask you to purge hotplug |
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| 22:45.27 | VulpesFoxnik | then do the command I told you befoire |
| 22:45.29 | yggdrasil_ | chealer how can i tell what version of xfree86 im on ? |
| 22:45.38 | VulpesFoxnik | Cyorxamp: Then you need to reboot |
| 22:45.40 | yggdrasil_ | sandman linux is the answer to all you problems |
| 22:45.40 | Cyorxamp | VulpesFoxnik, its failed on something |
| 22:45.42 | sandman | Wood can be burned, used for building, to make boats, planes, I think you can make solar panels with various plants, also. But at any rate, I was just wondering if any of the savvy in here have heard of biological circuitry methods. |
| 22:45.56 | VulpesFoxnik | Cyorxamp: What is that something? |
| 22:45.59 | jengelh | "How much wood can a wood chuck chuck if a wood chuck could chuck wood" |
| 22:46.10 | chealer | yggdrasil_: if you run XFree86, $ dpkg -l xserver-xfree86 |
| 22:46.10 | Cyorxamp | I don't know I can't make heads or tails of this shit |
| 22:46.11 | yggdrasil_ | sandman i think you would need to go back to the older debian.. uh |
| 22:46.15 | yggdrasil_ | woody |
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| 22:46.34 | VulpesFoxnik | Cyorxamp: Do you have a Nvidia or ATI custom modules installed on the system? |
| 22:46.41 | Cyorxamp | probably |
| 22:46.48 | VulpesFoxnik | Cyorxamp: If you do they will need to be reconfigured |
| 22:46.54 | Cyorxamp | ok |
| 22:46.59 | VulpesFoxnik | Cyorxamp: apt-get module-assistant |
| 22:47.11 | VulpesFoxnik | that should help with reconfiguring them |
| 22:47.14 | yggdrasil_ | 6.9.0.dfsg.1-5 transitional |
| 22:47.19 | sandman | yggdrasil_: Are you naturally as useful as a screen door in a submarine, or do you work on it? |
| 22:47.21 | yggdrasil_ | how does that look chealer.. |
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| 22:47.35 | yggdrasil_ | sandman yes |
| 22:47.39 | Cyorxamp | VulpesFoxnik, no it fails again |
| 22:47.40 | yggdrasil_ | linux helped me be that way |
| 22:47.45 | Cyorxamp | fuck this I'm off back to windows |
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| 22:47.56 | VulpesFoxnik | Cyorxamp: You could always try debian |
| 22:48.03 | Cyorxamp | I have done - twice |
| 22:48.07 | Cyorxamp | it's even worse than ubuntu |
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| 22:48.26 | VulpesFoxnik | In some ways. In others, It's better |
| 22:48.29 | wired_ | Cyorxamp, nothing worth doing is easy |
| 22:48.34 | sandman | Cyorxamp: It's not for everybody. |
| 22:48.36 | yggdrasil_ | chealer just that this crashes when i switch from x to console .and its pissing me off allready |
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| 22:48.41 | Cyorxamp | wired_, thats a silly attitude |
| 22:48.56 | Ronin | on the contrary |
| 22:48.59 | yggdrasil_ | cyorxamp i agree go run back to windows |
| 22:49.03 | sandman | Cyorxamp: Debian and OSS just isn't for some people, it happens. |
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| 22:49.13 | chealer | yggdrasil_: that looks like you're not running XFree86 |
| 22:49.20 | yggdrasil_ | chealer |
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| 22:49.27 | FlimFlamMan | has anyone here used SuSE? |
| 22:49.31 | yggdrasil_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:49.33 | Cyorxamp | linux (ignoring the lack of) is just bollocks when it comes to devices and drivers |
| 22:49.35 | Ronin | FlimFlamMan: for about 5 minutes |
| 22:49.36 | chealer | !tell FlimFlamMan about polls |
| 22:49.36 | Cyorxamp | Nothing EVER WORKS |
| 22:49.41 | VulpesFoxnik | Cyorxamp: Keep an eye on a project called ReactOS |
| 22:49.43 | seb- | what is debian's log reading app? |
| 22:49.45 | yggdrasil_ | bollokcs ? |
| 22:49.47 | Cyorxamp | VulpesFoxnik, already am |
| 22:49.49 | jbroome | seb-: less |
| 22:49.53 | Ronin | Cyorxamp: funny works fine here on two completely different machines |
| 22:50.02 | jbroome | yeah, debian works fine for me |
| 22:50.03 | amee2k | how can i copy text out of an xterm window? (i'm using ion2 wm, want to copy to evolution) |
| 22:50.04 | Cyorxamp | please shut your trap |
| 22:50.08 | wired_ | Cyorxamp, yeah I have it on 6 different comps |
| 22:50.13 | jbroome | maybe he got a bad batch or something |
| 22:50.35 | jbroome | or maybe he's a fucking idiot. |
| 22:50.35 | Ronin | ahh clear cut case of an EEOC |
| 22:50.35 | joseph | think etch is gonna be released this year? |
| 22:50.35 | wired_ | maybe you just have some bad hardware... |
| 22:50.36 | joseph | before the end of 06? |
| 22:50.40 | FlimFlamMan | Ronin, Cyorxamp - i have never used it (i use debian-sarge for most stuff) but i may be required to set up and operate a suse server soon. wondering how it compares to debian. |
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| 22:50.45 | VulpesFoxnik | joseph Not likely\ |
| 22:50.55 | joseph | VulpesFoxnik: you serious? |
| 22:50.58 | Cyorxamp | FlimFlamMan, I am definately not the person to ask :P |
| 22:51.03 | Astral_Projectio | hi |
| 22:51.10 | Cyorxamp | FlimFlamMan, I will only convince you to go back to windoze at this stage |
| 22:51.14 | Astral_Projectio | can someone tell me what sources to add in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:51.15 | multi_io | seb-: less /var/log/<file> |
| 22:51.16 | Astral_Projectio | ?? |
| 22:51.17 | VulpesFoxnik | joseph: From what I hear they are having transitional issues |
| 22:51.18 | FlimFlamMan | uh oh |
| 22:51.22 | Ronin | FlimFlamMan: cant really say, i think it was literally like 5 minutes before i went back to whatever distro i was previously running |
| 22:51.24 | multi_io | e.g. less /var/log/messages |
| 22:51.28 | chealer | Cyorxamp: if you're not here to troll, please watch your language |
| 22:51.32 | wols_ | joseph: I can say with absolute certainty: no etch won't be stable this yeer. and I very very much doubt next year either |
| 22:51.33 | FlimFlamMan | that horrible... |
| 22:51.38 | joseph | VulpesFoxnik: what is meant by transitional issues I wonder |
| 22:51.45 | joseph | wols_: you are kidding right? |
| 22:51.46 | Ronin | FlimFlamMan: not really, more like just not for me |
| 22:51.52 | Astral_Projectio | any1? :) |
| 22:52.01 | XoR_ | whitch software converts OGG to MP3 ??? |
| 22:52.02 | amee2k | FlimFlamMan: if you want an answer that encourages you to use suse (which you will want if you need to use it anyway) go #suse maybe |
| 22:52.04 | wols_ | jpinto: last two versions took 3 years from stable to stable |
| 22:52.09 | wols_ | so no, I am not kidding |
| 22:52.12 | wired_ | Astral_Projectio, your question is to vague |
| 22:52.13 | VulpesFoxnik | josephL Packages breaking other packages. Updating from Sarge |
| 22:52.23 | chealer | !tell XoR about ep |
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| 22:52.29 | Ronin | Astral_Projectio: apt-setup |
| 22:52.35 | chealer | XoR_: sox, probably |
| 22:52.44 | FlimFlamMan | amee2k, i'm not looking for encouragement. i'm looking for experiences that other debian users have had with suse. |
| 22:53.03 | Ronin | Astral_Projectio: as in run apt-setup |
| 22:53.04 | joseph | VulpesFoxnik: that's too bad. I thought they had streamlined things to help speed up development. Like dropping a bunch of cpu architectures, etc. |
| 22:53.36 | VulpesFoxnik | FlimFlamMan: I've used suse before, but that was 7.0, before Novell bought them. I had alot of rpm problems at that time |
| 22:53.41 | wols_ | FlimFlamMan: ask suse users. we use debian and not suse so we can't know. people who use suse might come from debian and do know |
| 22:53.44 | multi_io | so, there is no way to atomically remove a package and install another one (which is not in the package list)? |
| 22:54.10 | wols_ | multi_io: there is if that package not in the lsit has proper debian/ scripts and configs |
| 22:54.19 | Astral_Projectio | i need address for security patches |
| 22:54.25 | VulpesFoxnik | FlimFlamMan: I much prefer the deb system over the rpm |
| 22:54.27 | FlimFlamMan | wols_, surely there might be debian users who have used suse, and suse users who have used debian, right? but yes, i intend to ask there too. |
| 22:54.29 | wols_ | Astral_Projectio: for which distro? |
| 22:54.37 | Astral_Projectio | Debian 3.1 :) |
| 22:54.44 | Astral_Projectio | r0a |
| 22:54.45 | pontus21 | sarge |
| 22:54.52 | valdyn | multi_io: not really, but any package can be added to the package list by yourself |
| 22:55.01 | wols_ | Astral_Projectio: have you run apt-setup? |
| 22:55.02 | amee2k | FlimFlamMan: i used suse 7.2 as my first distro, then 8.3, 9.1/2/3 and 10.1 with an over all time of about a year real linux exp. then used fc4 for 6 weeks and debian since then (2 months) |
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| 22:55.12 | loggygreg | Astral_Projectio: deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free |
| 22:55.33 | amee2k | and other than it being linux it doesn't compare to debian imo |
| 22:55.43 | FabParma | hi |
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| 22:55.50 | FlimFlamMan | the sole purpose for this server will be as a python web application server; basically apache, python, and a bunch of python packages |
| 22:56.01 | Ronin | FlimFlamMan: why not debian? |
| 22:56.09 | Ronin | or did i miss that? |
| 22:56.17 | joseph | anyone else agree with wols_ that etch won't be released until 2008 |
| 22:56.26 | amee2k | how can i copy text out of an xterm window?? |
| 22:56.27 | FlimFlamMan | Ronin, this is actually a huge step forward for us - the other alternative was to get it working on IIS and windows |
| 22:56.30 | Ronin | joseph: not being a dev i cant say |
| 22:56.35 | Ronin | FlimFlamMan: ahhh :) |
| 22:56.37 | FlimFlamMan | Ronin, i'm not a sysadmin here |
| 22:56.50 | valdyn | amee2k: mark the text with your mouse and paste elsewhere with the middle mouse button |
| 22:56.51 | Ronin | well at least its linux |
| 22:56.52 | Astral_Projectio | thanks loggygreg |
| 22:56.54 | wols_ | FlimFlamMan: then why do you care what it runs? |
| 22:56.57 | FlimFlamMan | Ronin, but apparently another organization has support with novell for suse so... |
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| 22:57.10 | amee2k | FlimFlamMan: i tried iis+php4 and it was a pain! |
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| 22:57.15 | VulpesFoxnik | FlimFlamMan: SuSe has some good tech support. Thats an advantage it has over debian. For a buisness, it is a feasable solution |
| 22:57.20 | FlimFlamMan | wols_, because i believe i'm going to be the interim sysadmin on the box |
| 22:57.25 | wimp | what's the quick+fast+supports lots of format imnage viewer for debian? (not GIMP) |
| 22:57.38 | valdyn | wimp: xli, imagemagick |
| 22:57.39 | jengelh | nview |
| 22:57.55 | FlimFlamMan | wimp, gqview? |
| 22:57.57 | amee2k | valdyn: yea, but i how can i copy it *out* of the xterm window into another app? |
| 22:58.01 | Astral_Projectio | i have another problem. I cant start X when I'm root |
| 22:58.06 | Astral_Projectio | X apps |
| 22:58.11 | Ronin | Astral_Projectio: good you souldnt be able to do that |
| 22:58.12 | valdyn | amee2k: exactly how i told you |
| 22:58.15 | VulpesFoxnik | wimp: xnview |
| 22:58.18 | phaedral | amee2k: man xyerm...but, select w/ mouse, paste in next window with "middle button" |
| 22:58.20 | Astral_Projectio | shiva:/home/elektron# kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:58.24 | Astral_Projectio | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 22:58.24 | Astral_Projectio | Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key |
| 22:58.24 | Astral_Projectio | kwrite: cannot connect to X server :0.0 |
| 22:58.25 | jengelh | that's what i mean, xnview, not nview :) |
| 22:58.27 | phaedral | usually that's left and right button at once |
| 22:58.36 | Astral_Projectio | why i'm not able to do that? |
| 22:58.38 | Ronin | Astral_Projectio: root cant log on with x, |
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| 22:58.48 | Astral_Projectio | can I let root log on with X? |
| 22:58.50 | Ronin | Astral_Projectio: log on as your user, open a term, su to root |
| 22:58.50 | valdyn | Astral_Projectio: you used sudo to become root |
| 22:58.51 | amee2k | valdyn: yea, ty |
| 22:58.59 | wimp | valdyn, FilmFlamMan, VulpesFoxnik: thanks |
| 22:59.01 | valdyn | Astral_Projectio: use sux or sudo, not 'su' for that purpose |
| 22:59.22 | VulpesFoxnik | kdesu! |
| 22:59.23 | valdyn | Astral_Projectio: i meant 'you used 'su' to become root' |
| 22:59.34 | Astral_Projectio | hm |
| 22:59.38 | Astral_Projectio | it works with sudo |
| 22:59.41 | Astral_Projectio | thanks |
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| 22:59.44 | Ronin | of course :) |
| 22:59.45 | yggdrasil_ | man ill tell you watching this xserver crash is bizzare. im in console and i try to go back to x . it jsut sort of turns black then slowly purple begins to fade in from the fourcorners and closer to the cneter of the screen then it changes to like white .. the text that was on the screen is inverted black text on a whitescreen then it jsut goes all black... |
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| 23:00.46 | VulpesFoxnik | yggdrasil_: Alsmost sounds like when my Video card went bad |
| 23:00.52 | FabParma | i would like to create a sort of anonymizer proxy into a lan to change ip when some user go to internet. i would like to use that proxy as default gateway for the lan. i hope to create it for all protocol, ftp, https etc. do you know if there is a project already running or mybe how can i start? thank you for answering |
| 23:01.06 | yggdrasil_ | vulpesfoxnik its documented for the xserver on thsi laptop |
| 23:01.11 | pipeline | yggdrasil_: Heh, I had that problem with Xorg on my i830m laptop. The only solution was to go to XF86. |
| 23:01.20 | valdyn | FabParma: proxying a lan is hardly an anonymizer |
| 23:01.29 | yggdrasil_ | pipeline thats what it is... and im running xf86 |
| 23:01.33 | yggdrasil_ | i think |
| 23:01.38 | valdyn | FabParma: you can just use ip masquerading, will do just the same |
| 23:01.39 | Astral_Projectio | one more question.. (i'm configuring this system..:) I had a crash of X and I started to repair from Debian CD, but I didn't format my / partition. So installation exited with error. Now package lists are not "updated", when I'm tryng to install something with apt-get it tells me that I must install other packages which I have installed. Can I fix this? |
| 23:01.45 | yggdrasil_ | pipeline how can i tell if im on xf86 ? |
| 23:01.47 | pipeline | yggdrasil_: Have you tried disabling DRI ? |
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| 23:01.50 | pipeline | yggdrasil_: Are you on sarge? |
| 23:01.58 | yggdrasil_ | pipeline sid |
| 23:02.00 | yggdrasil_ | dri ? |
| 23:02.03 | yggdrasil_ | hmm ill try it |
| 23:02.15 | Blissex | Astral_Projectio: not so easily... |
| 23:02.17 | yggdrasil_ | from the .conf file disable it ? |
| 23:02.19 | pipeline | yggdrasil_: Then on. |
| 23:02.25 | pipeline | yggdrasil_: Sarge has xf86; etch and sid have xorg. |
| 23:02.30 | valdyn | FabParma: for a true anonymizer you need a proxy that is just _not_ obviously linked to your LAN |
| 23:02.31 | FabParma | valdyn: i dont know hot to do a ip masquerading |
| 23:02.36 | Astral_Projectio | hm.. |
| 23:02.38 | valdyn | !masq |
| 23:02.38 | dpkg | masq is, like, See: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Masquerading-Simple-HOWTO/index.html by JohnFlux :), or do "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o <output interface device, such as eth0> -j MASQUERADE ; echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" and view the rules with iptables -t nat -L |
| 23:02.41 | valdyn | !ipmasq |
| 23:02.41 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), apt-get install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
| 23:02.43 | yggdrasil_ | pipeline .. hmmm so how do i get xf86 |
| 23:02.48 | pipeline | yggdrasil_: Pain and suffering. |
| 23:02.52 | pipeline | yggdrasil_: Try disabling DRI :P |
| 23:02.52 | Blissex | Astral_Projectio: what happens is that 'dpkg' does two things: installs a package files and then adds their names to a list of installed packages. |
| 23:03.19 | FabParma | !masq |
| 23:03.19 | dpkg | well, masq is See: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Masquerading-Simple-HOWTO/index.html by JohnFlux :), or do "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o <output interface device, such as eth0> -j MASQUERADE ; echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" and view the rules with iptables -t nat -L |
| 23:03.21 | wols_ | FabParma: install ipmasq |
| 23:03.21 | Astral_Projectio | so I cant update this list? |
| 23:03.29 | Blissex | Astral_Projectio: it can happen that some package files are installed but the names are not in the list, or viceversa, the names are there but the files are not there. |
| 23:03.32 | wols_ | valdyn: that factoid is nice, but ipmasq is a gazillion times better |
| 23:03.34 | FabParma | !ipmasq |
| 23:03.34 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), apt-get install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
| 23:03.42 | yggdrasil_ | pipeline still same.. |
| 23:03.53 | stew | Astral_Projectio: show us exactly what you are tyring to do and exactly what errors you are getting |
| 23:04.15 | Blissex | Astral_Projectio: the issue is that in the second case it is easy to fix things, but if the files are installed bu the names are not it is not easy to discover _which_ packages should be added. |
| 23:04.17 | yggdrasil_ | pipeline i wouldnt care except that i realized it odes it when i go fullscreen in vmware... |
| 23:04.17 | FabParma | wols_: what exactly doesa ipmasq? |
| 23:04.35 | wols_ | FabParma: it turns your debian box into a NAT router |
| 23:04.36 | pipeline | yggdrasil_: Oh, that's an easy problem to fix, then. Disable xrandr and xvidmode extensions. :P |
| 23:04.52 | Astral_Projectio | well I try to install smth it tells me that I don't have debconf installed |
| 23:04.54 | yggdrasil_ | from the same conf file ? |
| 23:04.55 | Astral_Projectio | but I have it |
| 23:04.56 | valdyn | FabParma: you cant use a box in your lan as anonymizer, thats a silly idea |
| 23:05.12 | Astral_Projectio | so I installed it again so I couldn't get this message |
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| 23:05.31 | Astral_Projectio | but now I'm trying to install some X apps, and it tells me that I must install X to run those.. |
| 23:05.38 | FabParma | wols_: but on the internet the ip is always the real one? |
| 23:05.42 | Astral_Projectio | but obviously I have X allready installed.. |
| 23:05.51 | wols_ | FabParma: use tor |
| 23:05.51 | yggdrasil_ | pipeline how ? |
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| 23:06.03 | wols_ | yes it's always the real one |
| 23:06.07 | wols_ | use tor |
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| 23:06.29 | FabParma | wols_: sory, tor? |
| 23:06.37 | weasel00 | !sTeam |
| 23:06.37 | dpkg | steam is, like, at http://www.steampowered,com |
| 23:06.40 | wols_ | yes tor |
| 23:06.44 | pipeline | yggdrasil_: Read the man page about xorg.conf; you need to add an "extensions" section and disable them explicitly. |
| 23:06.49 | wols_ | !tor |
| 23:06.49 | dpkg | from memory, tor is a system of proxies to maintain anonymity, see http://tor.eff.org/ or not allowed on #debian, see http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#tor |
| 23:06.55 | weasel00 | umm.. no its not dpkg you are wrong sir. lol |
| 23:07.14 | valdyn | !what are you |
| 23:07.14 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 23:07.18 | FabParma | wols_: thanks |
| 23:07.53 | yggdrasil_ | pipeline will that fix the console switching problem or my vmware problem ? |
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| 23:10.40 | DarkWingZE | hey |
| 23:11.00 | yggdrasil_ | pipeline i think im gonna install dapper anyway |
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| 23:12.16 | pipeline | yggdrasil_: hahah, loser. Don't talk to us here, about it. |
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| 23:12.23 | yggdrasil_ | :( |
| 23:12.28 | pipeline | yggdrasil_: And it will fix your vmware problem. Your console switching problem is a bug in Xorg. |
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| 23:12.36 | yggdrasil_ | yea i know |
| 23:14.07 | Astral_Projectio | can I install slackware tgz packages automaticly in debian? |
| 23:14.12 | yggdrasil_ | pipeline will just runningsarge fix that console thing then? |
| 23:14.46 | pipeline | yggdrasil_: Yeah. |
| 23:15.01 | yggdrasil_ | crap the only reason i installed sid was to fix this |
| 23:15.10 | yggdrasil_ | now i foind out if i would have just done sarge ... |
| 23:15.11 | yggdrasil_ | blah |
| 23:15.20 | yggdrasil_ | that sucks |
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| 23:15.30 | yggdrasil_ | you sure this isnt using xfree86 ? |
| 23:15.35 | pipeline | heh, the error is present in all versions of Xorg. |
| 23:15.41 | pipeline | XF86 4.3 and 4.4 lack the problem, at least on my i830. |
| 23:15.41 | strider | Astral_Projectio: you could try alien |
| 23:15.43 | itsme5 | Hello @all :) I have an old thinkpad t20 and I installed Debian Sarge 3.1 and its nice but I changed the kernel to 2.6.16 and udev but my trackball is now away :( I can see it under /sys/class/input/input2 KERNEL=="input2" I added following to the udev.rules KERNEL=="input2", NAME="input/mouse0" but nothing is happening |
| 23:15.49 | pipeline | I presume you also have a mobile intel graphics chipset, yggdrasil_ ? |
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| 23:16.00 | yggdrasil_ | yep its a dell latitude |
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| 23:16.05 | Astral_Projectio | ok, thx strider |
| 23:16.06 | pipeline | yggdrasil_: Well, there you have it, then. |
| 23:16.17 | yggdrasil_ | where |
| 23:16.22 | pipeline | yggdrasil_: I did some sick and filthy things to make X work under sid on my Latitude C400. I don't care to explain them. |
| 23:16.31 | yggdrasil_ | thats what im running man |
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| 23:16.43 | yggdrasil_ | your just a sick and filthy person huh |
| 23:16.45 | pipeline | Yeah, well, it sucked enough the first time around. |
| 23:16.46 | dn4 | where is 1.5 java jdk stored? |
| 23:16.49 | pipeline | I do not care to go over it again. |
| 23:17.01 | wols_ | !java |
| 23:17.01 | dpkg | somebody said java was Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive and forbids you from working on Java implementations or SDKs. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
| 23:17.01 | yggdrasil_ | make a dd image and send it |
| 23:17.04 | yggdrasil_ | ;0) |
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| 23:17.14 | pipeline | dn4: You need the "java-package" package. It will provide you with a script, "make-jpkg". You use "make-jpkg" to make a debian package out of the Sun java installer. |
| 23:17.15 | yggdrasil_ | pipeline have you tried to dock it? |
| 23:17.19 | pipeline | yggdrasil_: I don't own a dock. |
| 23:17.28 | yggdrasil_ | well it crashes it |
| 23:17.29 | yggdrasil_ | haa |
| 23:17.37 | yggdrasil_ | just doesnt boot |
| 23:17.48 | pipeline | yggdrasil_: Your best bets are first: disable ACPI. It's hosed. Secondly, try to build XF86 4.5.0 from source and see if it works out for you. |
| 23:17.51 | dn4 | did all of that pipeline |
| 23:17.58 | pipeline | dn4: Then you're done. :P |
| 23:18.01 | dn4 | I am looking for the 1.5 jdk to use with jbuilder |
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| 23:18.15 | Phleagor | http://www.bash.org/?35458 |
| 23:18.17 | tarzeau | tiCo89: and? |
| 23:18.17 | dn4 | since jbuilder automatically installs 1.4jdk and does not use 1.5, so I have to find the path |
| 23:18.20 | Phleagor | what does STD mean? |
| 23:18.20 | pipeline | dn4: /usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun |
| 23:18.29 | dn4 | thank you |
| 23:18.38 | tarzeau | tiCo89: hehe, it was a nice mail, don't worry |
| 23:18.40 | pipeline | dn4: In the future, you can get a list of files in a package with dpkg -L |
| 23:19.22 | wols_ | Phleagor: sexually transmitted disease |
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| 23:19.37 | Phleagor | k, thx |
| 23:19.46 | fiete | can anyone recommend a secure distributed filesystem? |
| 23:19.52 | tarzeau | fiete: no |
| 23:19.52 | niaht_w | Phleagor: Standard |
| 23:20.01 | Stevie-O | fiete: nfs over ssh? |
| 23:20.14 | tarzeau | Stevie-O: that's not distributed |
| 23:20.25 | tarzeau | Stevie-O: fine over vpn, but not ssh |
| 23:20.47 | yggdrasil_ | pipeline thanks |
| 23:20.49 | _fluffee | fiete- I think you can't have one with the other. |
| 23:20.50 | yggdrasil_ | that worked |
| 23:21.19 | fiete | at least secure and with aithentication would be nice |
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| 23:21.44 | Stevie-O | tarzeau: it can be distributed. just takes a lot of ssh connections |
| 23:21.45 | fiete | someone tried ssfs? is it really that slow? |
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| 23:23.11 | tarzeau | fiete: yes |
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| 23:23.33 | fiete | tarzeau: you mean its slow? |
| 23:23.37 | tarzeau | fiete: yes |
| 23:23.38 | codecaine | I installed a NIC after a clean debian sarge install. How do I get the system to configure the device? Is there a hardware scan I need to run? |
| 23:23.46 | fiete | tarzeau: :-( |
| 23:23.49 | codecaine | The NIC is a Netgear FA311 which is supported. |
| 23:24.03 | itsme5 | Hello @all :) I have an old thinkpad t20 and I installed Debian Sarge 3.1 and its nice but I changed the kernel to 2.6.16 and udev but my trackball is now away :( I can see it under /sys/class/input/input2 KERNEL=="input2" I added following to the udev.rules KERNEL=="input2", NAME="input/mouse0" but nothing is happening so what do I wrong? what I have to change? |
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| 23:25.37 | Estes2 | www.wikipedia.org is down or is it just me ? |
| 23:26.08 | stew | just you |
| 23:26.16 | _fluffee | fiete- ssh'ish nfs -like might be almost secure (not a security expert), it would certainly be distributed and with some auth wrapped over it might approach secure?. How useful it would be is for someone other than I to discover. Maybe narrowing down what distributed is might help your choosing? |
| 23:26.24 | stew | Estes2: /topic #wikipedia would say if it were as well |
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| 23:27.23 | `ns` | codecaine, have you tried modconf ? |
| 23:28.00 | codecaine | ns, no |
| 23:28.01 | stew | itsme5: try modprobe mousedev |
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| 23:28.13 | mne | hi ! I want to set up an encrypted partition, unfortunately I do not know if loop-aes or dm-crypt is "better". what are the advantages, does anyone have experience with them ? |
| 23:28.37 | stew | itsme5: you shouldn't have to mess with any udev rules though i beilve there is a current, known bug that is keeping it from loading mousedev automatically |
| 23:28.38 | dubd | Hi. I have two 8139too eth interfaces. Is it possible to spicify which one is eth0 and which one is eth1? |
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| 23:28.47 | fiete | i thought about that too, and i realized that I really dont need distribution. I just want to have secure access from my laptop. I think coda looks promising, since it also has support for connection loss work |
| 23:28.50 | codecaine | ns, is that what i need to do to configure it? is there any hardware scan like discover or something that will do this for me? |
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| 23:29.28 | _rene_ | dubd: not that I know, but you can rename them to e.g. lan0 and lan1 via ifrename (via mac) and use those |
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| 23:29.55 | dubd | _rene_: oh, that sounds great. I'll try it. Thanks. |
| 23:30.00 | resiak | or you could rename them via ifrename to eth0 and eth01, so y.es, yes it is |
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| 23:30.41 | `ns` | codecaine, I'm not really up on nic installations, after install. I just looked and didn't see it listed there, but it could be using a listed chipset |
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| 23:30.58 | nurv | hi ppl! I've question. Which software can I use to make torrent file? |
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| 23:32.15 | seb- | what logchecking/parsing script to people put in their daily crontabs in debian to give them the highlights from syslog? |
| 23:32.38 | BadMan | ok, question, what do I need for sarge to be able to revert back to xfree 3.3.6(video support reasons)? |
| 23:32.44 | stew | nurv: btmakemetafile from bittornado or bittorrent packages |
| 23:32.47 | resiak | and if you like the udev, you can use that rather than ifrename, I believe |
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| 23:32.59 | `ns` | codecaine, checking google, looks like people have had success using the tulip drivers |
| 23:33.15 | nurv | stew, I'll check, thank you |
| 23:34.01 | FabParma | pls, what command to find exactly the Debian version that i have in use? |
| 23:34.02 | `ns` | codecaine, then again maybe not ... checking further down the threads other people are saying that tulip is for the earlier cards |
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| 23:34.12 | codecaine | ns, ok i'll look, didn't realize this wasn't built into the kernel itself. |
| 23:34.18 | streuner_ | BadMan: just install the driver, if its in the mirrors |
| 23:34.48 | loggygreg | FabParma: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 23:35.11 | FabParma | loggygreg: thanks a lot |
| 23:35.15 | `ns` | codecaine, maybe try natsemi ... that seems to be mentioned a lot as working |
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| 23:35.41 | streuner_ | BadMan: sarge isn't woody, in woody you just install a 3.3.6 driver and you're done IIRC |
| 23:35.41 | _rene_ | BadMan: you might have luck trying woodys 3.3 package... I am not sure whether it will work, though |
| 23:35.58 | codecaine | ns, yeah i see, but isn't that default in the kernel? |
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| 23:36.58 | FabParma | loggygreg: i get 3.1, but not if is stable , unstable, sarge etc |
| 23:36.58 | `ns` | codecaine, I have no idea what is in the kernel :) not my job |
| 23:37.03 | BadMan | streuner_: yeah, but my install requires wifi, which works from sarge install(but sarges xfree doesnt give me what I need for old laptop) hence I attempted woody but no wifi support for netinst |
| 23:37.06 | streuner_ | BadMan: knoppix have some old (3.3.6) drivers by default installed... |
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| 23:37.31 | loggygreg | FabParma: 3.1 is sarge |
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| 23:37.37 | [ex]hungry-hobo | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:37.48 | loggygreg | FabParma: and stable |
| 23:38.02 | BadMan | [ex]hungry-hobo: chmod +x foo.c |
| 23:38.04 | FabParma | oKtosiTe: ok, but how to discover if is the stable or instable version? |
| 23:38.10 | streuner_ | BadMan: so follow the advice of _rene_ then |
| 23:38.15 | BadMan | ./foo.c |
| 23:38.16 | mne | [ex]hungry-hobo, gcc -o foo foo.c |
| 23:38.18 | [ex]hungry-hobo | BadMan: i didnt think it'd be as easy as changing a permission lol |
| 23:38.18 | FabParma | loggygreg: ah oh |
| 23:38.33 | wols_ | [ex]hungry-hobo: if that .c file is a C source coude you need to compile it first |
| 23:38.42 | [ex]hungry-hobo | thought i would have to type like sh foo.c or something to that effect heh |
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| 23:38.47 | [ex]hungry-hobo | yeah it's compiled.. |
| 23:38.52 | streuner_ | BadMan: How about xorg, does it support your videocard? |
| 23:38.54 | [ex]hungry-hobo | i copied n pasted that part lol |
| 23:38.59 | [ex]hungry-hobo | wouldnt know how to do it on my own |
| 23:39.02 | _rene_ | last way: use non-prehistoric hardware ;-) |
| 23:39.37 | BadMan | streuner_: know same problems as sarge(xorg from ubuntu 5.0.4 |
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| 23:40.06 | streuner_ | BadMan: /msg dpkg laptop |
| 23:40.38 | BadMan | streuner_: yeah have all of those bookmarked and opened and reading 8-) |
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| 23:41.25 | erhanr | hi all |
| 23:41.54 | cureless | BadMan: sorry for the question, I'm comming in late. What's the problem with your X? Does it not start or does the screen come corrupted? |
| 23:42.40 | BadMan | using sarge and 4.x I am relagated to a 640x480 with 1" black square around it details old 760xl laptop with trident card |
| 23:42.59 | BadMan | the vesa trident or nothing fails to allow full screen use |
| 23:43.16 | cureless | BadMan: but X doesn't give you an error, just a "bad" resolution? |
| 23:43.54 | BadMan | the display test from bios fully supports upto 800x600 @ 16bpp for lcd and external monitor upto 1024x768 @ 16bpp |
| 23:44.19 | cureless | BadMan: Look at a working config file, look for the monitor device definition, you might need to speficy the refresh in the new Xorg config files. |
| 23:44.21 | tarzeau | abrotman! |
| 23:44.23 | streuner_ | BadMan: another option is, just install woody and upgrade to sarge, put X on hold |
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| 23:44.53 | cureless | BadMan: use Xrog, specify a refresh, get something from the web, try it out. |
| 23:44.57 | [ex]hungry-hobo | oh hey i got sidetracked..thanks for your help guys... |
| 23:45.02 | BadMan | streuner_: truye |
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| 23:45.14 | BadMan | tried xorg from ubuntu(when it had ubuntu on it) |
| 23:45.16 | BadMan | no go |
| 23:45.23 | [ex]hungry-hobo | i love ubuntu |
| 23:45.27 | [ex]hungry-hobo | it's my #1 distro |
| 23:45.39 | streuner_ | just /j #ubuntu |
| 23:45.47 | [ex]hungry-hobo | i got woody on cd but it's so fugly when u install it |
| 23:45.49 | curt | !ubuntu |
| 23:45.49 | dpkg | Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntulinux.org and/or visit #ubuntu, right here on IRC. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
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| 23:45.56 | tarzeau | someone else bored like me? |
| 23:46.03 | cureless | BadMan: I've fixed multiple laptop display problems by specifying the screen, you should try that. |
| 23:46.04 | [ex]hungry-hobo | woody needs soo much work from initial install :( |
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| 23:46.13 | Toaster | yes! me, I am! |
| 23:46.22 | streuner_ | !start a distro war |
| 23:46.23 | dpkg | Progeny owns! |
| 23:46.30 | BadMan | cureless ok, well I am installing sarge again, jsut wiped woody off it. |
| 23:46.30 | `ns` | ya, but you're toast, buddy ! |
| 23:46.36 | tarzeau | Toaster: let's patch gnu libc6 to randomly write "INSERT COIN" and stop running until user presses enter? |
| 23:46.37 | [ex]hungry-hobo | lol streuner_ |
| 23:46.41 | curt | !woody |
| 23:46.41 | dpkg | i guess woody is the previous stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "woody->sarge" or "sarge install guide" Security updates for woody will cease approximately one year after sarge's release(July/2006) |
| 23:46.42 | [ex]hungry-hobo | naw we dont need non o that lol |
| 23:47.01 | cureless | BadMan: ok, let us know |
| 23:47.10 | [ex]hungry-hobo | yeah i knew sarge was out..but i was so dissapointed in woody i never bothered.. |
| 23:47.18 | Toaster | tarzeau, yeah |
| 23:47.28 | [ex]hungry-hobo | and yeah i knew ubuntu was a 'flavor' of debian lol..but io didn't know u guys had bad blood... |
| 23:47.29 | cureless | tarzeau: I was bored, then decided to come to #debian to entertain myself after months of absense. |
| 23:47.33 | BadMan | I wouldnt ahve a problem doing tohe woody to sarge but no wifi support for my card on laptop in woody sarge it worked great with hermes |
| 23:47.42 | [ex]hungry-hobo | it's not a mix of sarge and sid is it? |
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| 23:47.52 | tarzeau | cureless: nice |
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| 23:48.29 | nurv | stew, how to manage with these .py files. IT's for maketorrent |
| 23:48.30 | BadMan | once apt is instaleld I will add ssh so I can work from here and just shell in... |
| 23:48.31 | codecaine | how do you tell which NIC belongs to what device. i.e eth0, eth1? |
| 23:48.37 | cureless | [ex]hungry-hobo: we don't have bad blood with ubuntu people, only with most of the users who confuse ubuntu with debian++. |
| 23:48.48 | [ex]hungry-hobo | cureless: oh ..i can see that |
| 23:48.52 | BadMan | codecaine: usually by assigned mac addresses |
| 23:49.10 | cureless | codecaine: dmesg | grep eth |
| 23:49.12 | [ex]hungry-hobo | here i been hanging out here cuz i thought they were pretty much the same..aside from a few scripts ubuntu pppl mighta thrrew in there.. |
| 23:49.32 | cureless | [ex]hungry-hobo: I guess you haven't read the subject |
| 23:49.37 | wols_ | codecaine: first pci slot is eth0, 2nd is eth1, etc |
| 23:49.38 | codecaine | BadMan, is there somewhere like in /proc that says device name of listed hardware? |
| 23:49.41 | [ex]hungry-hobo | but i guess if they were the same they wouldnt have 2 diff names huh? |
| 23:49.50 | `ns` | codecaine, that is something I have always wanted, a program that tells me which hardware device is attached to what article in /dev |
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| 23:49.58 | codecaine | right |
| 23:50.08 | [ex]hungry-hobo | well i hope u let me chill anyway because all this intelligent talking relaxes me |
| 23:50.19 | [ex]hungry-hobo | its so nice just to see ppl who know how to use nick completion lol |
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| 23:50.34 | wols_ | [ex]hungry-hobo: just don't ask ubuntu questions :) |
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| 23:50.43 | streuner_ | !nickometer [ex]hungry-hobo |
| 23:50.45 | dpkg | '[ex]hungry-hobo' is 16.000% lame, streuner_ |
| 23:50.49 | cotfis | http://paste.getlinuxhelp.org/2078 <-- any idea how to resolve this, when building the kqemu accelerator module for the 2.6.15-1-k7 kernel of debian sid? |
| 23:50.52 | [ex]hungry-hobo | i hang out on another irc network for other various reasons but its plagued by noobs and idjits that thing they know what they doing lol |
| 23:51.03 | cureless | [ex]hungry-hobo: or worse yet. Start a question, discuss for 30 minutes and at the END say you're working with ubuntu. |
| 23:51.14 | [ex]hungry-hobo | cureless: ROFL |
| 23:51.19 | `ns` | actually, [ex]hungry-hobo , some of us have tried ubuntu, and know that you are just kidding/trolling :) |
| 23:51.20 | [ex]hungry-hobo | ill try to bear that in mind lol!! |
| 23:51.31 | cureless | [ex]hungry-hobo: it would be funnier if didn't happen that much |
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| 23:51.51 | [ex]hungry-hobo | yeah i can see where that would get old real fast heheheh |
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| 23:52.11 | JordiGH | Hey, apt-get doesn't automatically add menu icons for armagetron in the games section. |
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| 23:52.14 | [ex]hungry-hobo | unfortunately on this other net..the questions are 'how do i get my mirc to make purty colors'?? lol |
| 23:52.17 | streuner_ | when does sunday start, even at saturdays nowadays? ;-) |
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| 23:52.29 | [ex]hungry-hobo | thats why i like it in here...ui get to be around ppl smarter than me lol |
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| 23:52.40 | wols_ | salseeg: it's all week :) |
| 23:52.44 | [ex]hungry-hobo | i feel like a dang novice nooob againbts u fellas and i been using linux for yrsn ow |
| 23:52.46 | JordiGH | Oy... didn't think that the carriage returns would also get copied. Sorry. :P |
| 23:52.48 | streuner_ | hehe, true |
| 23:53.27 | cureless | newbiness shouldn't be measured in years. |
| 23:53.40 | cureless | some people adapt in days, others keep being noobs forever. |
| 23:53.41 | Stevie-O | what is the unit of newbiness then? |
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| 23:53.57 | cureless | noobunits? |
| 23:54.01 | JordiGH | pinotree, it's kinda dead in there. :P |
| 23:54.03 | Stevie-O | The n00b? |
| 23:54.03 | streuner_ | well, its funny, you go into a BMW shop, and say to those guys, "Hey, i love Mercedes, Mercedes is Nr. 1 car for me!" |
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| 23:54.28 | nanok | JordiGH: read up on debian-menu, i think it was called. the problem with kde, on the other hand, is that it makes a menu of it's own, disregarding the official wm policy packages usualy comply (by specifyng a section they fit in, usualy) |
| 23:54.52 | `ns` | well streuner , if you have driven them both ...... |
| 23:55.12 | JordiGH | n00bishness is inversely proportional to the number of vim and/or Emacs commands memorised. :P |
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| 23:55.20 | Stevie-O | :wq |
| 23:55.36 | cureless | JordiGH: that might be true, but it's not a causal relationship |
| 23:55.42 | JordiGH | M-x praise-be-unto-emacs (sadly deprecated.) |
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| 23:55.49 | Stevie-O | lmfao |
| 23:55.53 | Stevie-O | was that an actual command? |
| 23:56.00 | JordiGH | Oh, yeah. I think in emacs20 |
| 23:56.24 | `ns` | JordiGH, I dunno, I've been linux for 5 years, and I still use mcedit :) |
| 23:56.25 | FabParma | sorry, what is the command to install *.deb package? |
| 23:56.26 | Stevie-O | Package emacs is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 23:56.34 | Stevie-O | dpkg -i *.deb |
| 23:56.42 | JordiGH | Stevie-0 apt-get emacs21 |
| 23:56.48 | streuner_ | `ns`: ok, you just need an another example, somebody come to your house and eating as guest, suddently that guy sais to you 'Hey, but McDonals taste much better' ;-) |
| 23:56.49 | stew | or emacs-snapshot |
| 23:56.55 | Stevie-O | lmao |
| 23:56.59 | Stevie-O | it's going to install 18 other packages |
| 23:57.19 | JordiGH | :) emacs is a pretty good OS. |
| 23:57.21 | nanok | and take up 200megs |
| 23:57.25 | cureless | Stevie-O: you're not familiar with emacs are you? |
| 23:57.28 | nanok | !start an editor war |
| 23:57.28 | dpkg | pico blows |
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| 23:57.36 | `ns` | streuner, ya, thats a little crass :) |
| 23:57.48 | observationalist | hi all |
| 23:57.52 | FabParma | sorry, what is the command to install a file *.deb? |
| 23:58.04 | Stevie-O | dpkg -i *.deb |
| 23:58.05 | observationalist | I get this error from a dist-upgrade |
| 23:58.05 | cureless | FabParma: dpkg -i ....deb |
| 23:58.06 | nanok | FabParma: dpkg -i file.deb |
| 23:58.16 | JordiGH | nanok: I know the KDE folks are naughty about standards (but then again, GNOME also has its own set of menus besides the Debian menus). But where can I read about debian-menu? |
| 23:58.18 | pokkie | hmm, for some reason when i run apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment it seems to be downloading from the testing branch, anybody know how i can set it to stable? |
| 23:58.19 | nanok | FabParma: read above, you have been answered before |
| 23:58.22 | FabParma | thanks to all |
| 23:58.29 | observationalist | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/x11-common_6.9.0.dfsg.1-5_all.deb (--unpack): |
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| 23:58.37 | cureless | see y'all later, I have a meeting |
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| 23:58.53 | JordiGH | emacs only takes about 20 megs in my machine. *shrug* |
| 23:58.54 | wols_ | pokkie: -t stable. or remove the testing entries from sources.list |
| 23:59.04 | codecaine | use apt/sources.list |
| 23:59.13 | streuner_ | observationalist: remove libxft-dev? what version of debian are you running? |
| 23:59.16 | nanok | JordiGH: if it is in kde you want that done, you should look for a kde specific documentation. i had to deal with that once, and found one. google as usual is your friend |
| 23:59.30 | JordiGH | nanok: Ok, fine, I'll keep digging in Google. |
| 23:59.37 | observationalist | streuner: sid -> kanotix |
| 23:59.55 | JordiGH | (By the way, we need a free search engine. Google is becoming evil.) |
