| 00:00.03 | streuner_ | observationalist: and why are you asking here then? |
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| 00:00.08 | pokkie | wols_: thanks, that did the trick |
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| 00:00.53 | JordiGH | !dpkg google |
| 00:00.54 | dpkg | hmm... google is a search engine owned by Google Inc. whose mission statement is to "organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful." The largest search engine on the web, Google receives over 200 million queries each day through its various services. It's website can be found at http://www.google.com |
| 00:00.55 | observationalist | streuner: dfsg deb and I don't know that there might be a dfsg channel |
| 00:01.27 | streuner_ | observationalist: /msg dpkg kanotix |
| 00:01.29 | JordiGH | Google, like Annakin Skywalker, is becoming absorbed into the Dark Side. |
| 00:01.46 | xhaan | becoming? :p |
| 00:02.04 | observationalist | streuner: OK thanks much.... |
| 00:02.28 | JordiGH | xhaan: Good people still work in Google... it's still battling an internal battle and trying to find goodness in its heart... however, it's losing the battle. |
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| 00:02.39 | xhaan | ahh yeah |
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| 00:03.23 | phaedral | JordiGH: case in point; Bram of Vim has just taken a job with Google; talk about "moral high-ground"! |
| 00:03.39 | `ns` | anyone in here running dosage to grab webcomics ? |
| 00:03.50 | phaedral | !anyone |
| 00:03.50 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 00:03.52 | xhaan | say.. how do i autodetect my mouse? i want my mouse wheel :p |
| 00:04.04 | streuner_ | mousewheel |
| 00:04.08 | streuner_ | !mousewheel |
| 00:04.09 | dpkg | historical info on using a mousewheel with many linux applications can be found at http://www.inria.fr/koala/colas/mouse-wheel-scroll/, or edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, go to the mouse section, change Protocol to IMPS/2 and add 'Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"' |
| 00:04.17 | jcreigh | JordiGH: Turns out it's actually pretty hard to make money and not be evil at the same time. |
| 00:04.33 | Stevie-O | Sadly. |
| 00:04.37 | xhaan | thx :) |
| 00:04.47 | JordiGH | jcreigh: Firefox is still GPLed, isn't it? |
| 00:05.10 | jcreigh | JordiGH: IIRC, Firefox is Mozilla Public License, but I could be wrong. |
| 00:05.36 | abrotman | and uses non-free art or some crap |
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| 00:07.17 | wols_ | abrotman: it uses trademarks |
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| 00:08.10 | JordiGH | Hm, but it *is* in the free section of Debian. |
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| 00:08.44 | a1fa|64 | how do you get to debian boot menu? |
| 00:08.46 | a1fa|64 | err |
| 00:08.48 | a1fa|64 | sparc boot menu |
| 00:08.53 | a1fa|64 | SUN+BREAK? |
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| 00:09.24 | JordiGH | Hm, is GRUB not installed in your Sun machine? |
| 00:09.31 | a1fa|64 | no |
| 00:09.32 | a1fa|64 | silo |
| 00:09.45 | a1fa|64 | i want to get to bios boot prompt |
| 00:10.14 | a1fa|64 | what is the command |
| 00:10.32 | pipeline | a1fa|64: stop+A |
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| 00:10.44 | abrotman | JordiGH: they don't use the art |
| 00:10.47 | pipeline | JordiGH: GRUB is an x86 thing. |
| 00:10.55 | abrotman | JordiGH: sparc don't use grub |
| 00:10.55 | pipeline | JordiGH: Heck, on x86, even Solaris uses GRUB :P |
| 00:11.09 | a1fa|64 | pipeline: sweet it worked |
| 00:11.11 | abrotman | duh |
| 00:11.19 | a1fa|64 | i am having a problem with X |
| 00:11.23 | a1fa|64 | on sparc |
| 00:11.36 | a1fa|64 | it starts fine, but then the screen goes blank, and i can not kill it |
| 00:11.41 | a1fa|64 | i have to manually ssh and kill it |
| 00:11.48 | abrotman | !sparc |
| 00:11.48 | dpkg | somebody said sparc was the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html or Type make vmlinux (not kernel or bzImage or lilo or anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc |
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| 00:12.02 | JordiGH | I know what a Sparc is. ) |
| 00:12.03 | JordiGH | :) |
| 00:12.09 | abrotman | it's not for you tard |
| 00:12.10 | JordiGH | I just don't know much about it. |
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| 00:12.18 | pipeline | a1fa|64: X on linux on SPARC is just flaky as shit. |
| 00:12.28 | abrotman | it was so a1fa|64 could possibly get more information |
| 00:12.35 | abrotman | pipeline: and just flat out doesn't work on some :) |
| 00:12.55 | itsme5 | stew: thx that is it :) |
| 00:13.08 | pipeline | a1fa|64: Install Solaris if you want hardware support to be not-terrible. |
| 00:13.10 | a1fa|64 | hm |
| 00:13.14 | JordiGH | "Tard"? That's not very nice. :) |
| 00:13.16 | JordiGH | :( |
| 00:13.18 | a1fa|64 | pipeline: shit. dude |
| 00:13.19 | Vinland | I'm trying to use jailkit to chroot sftp users. When I try and connect I get this error "path /var/www/html/jail/./var/www/html/xlan is not owned by 504", what should I do (any suggestions would be greatly appreciated at this time) |
| 00:13.19 | abrotman | a1fa|64: and it is free |
| 00:13.20 | pipeline | a1fa|64: Also, if it's 32 bit SPARC, install Solaris no matter what. Linux just sucks ass on 32-bit SPARC. |
| 00:13.22 | a1fa|64 | pipeline: i cant boot cdrom |
| 00:13.23 | abrotman | JordiGH: cry ... |
| 00:13.32 | a1fa|64 | pipeline: it always goes back to silo |
| 00:13.35 | pipeline | a1fa|64: Also not surprising. I don't even have a CD-ROM on a SPARC system. Do everything over ethernet :P |
| 00:13.35 | abrotman | a1fa|64: you don't have any CD drive? |
| 00:13.40 | a1fa|64 | i do |
| 00:13.44 | a1fa|64 | it worked the first time |
| 00:13.51 | a1fa|64 | i installed debian.. i want to re-install it |
| 00:13.54 | a1fa|64 | its 64bit sparc |
| 00:14.04 | a1fa|64 | ah |
| 00:14.08 | a1fa|64 | its silo off the cdrom |
| 00:14.09 | a1fa|64 | nvm |
| 00:14.10 | itsme5 | stew: my last stupid question how can I add that the mousedev is auto load? |
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| 00:14.18 | pipeline | itsme5: Add it to /etc/modules |
| 00:14.22 | abrotman | itsme5: echo "mousedev" >> /etc/modules |
| 00:14.26 | abrotman | and yes .. BOTH > |
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| 00:14.41 | pipeline | a1fa|64: Even on 64-bit SPARC, a lot of hardware just doesn't work under linux :P |
| 00:14.46 | itsme5 | thx a lot :) |
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| 00:14.54 | nanok | itsme5: though it should work by default, using hotplug or udev, |
| 00:15.04 | abrotman | a1fa|64: solaris is free if you own the hardware |
| 00:15.06 | pipeline | a1fa|64: And SPARC SMP under Linux is flaky as shit.. SPARC X support is flaky as shit... Linux 2.4 is flaky as shit... there's a long list :P |
| 00:15.11 | a1fa|64 | pipeline: i have it stock :) |
| 00:15.11 | abrotman | or used to be anyways |
| 00:15.12 | pipeline | abrotman: Actually, Solaris is free no holds barred, now. |
| 00:15.20 | abrotman | pipeline: besides the crappy license :) |
| 00:15.24 | pipeline | abrotman: It's free for commercial and non-commercial use, any number of processors, etc etc |
| 00:15.34 | a1fa|64 | my system is stock |
| 00:15.35 | pipeline | abrotman: no, no, I mean, they opened up the binary licensing terms a *lot* |
| 00:15.56 | pipeline | abrotman: OpenSolaris is nifty and all, but it's not really, uh, practical for commercial use, if you follow. |
| 00:15.57 | abrotman | pipeline: you've been able to download it for free for .. 5+ years |
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| 00:16.04 | pipeline | abrotman: ...under a very restrictive license. |
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| 00:16.14 | abrotman | yeah .. "If you own hardware you can have it" :) |
| 00:16.15 | pipeline | abrotman: The "free binaries" program only allowed non-commercial use on uni-processor systems. |
| 00:16.21 | pipeline | abrotman: That goes for SPARC, too. |
| 00:16.32 | abrotman | i thought it was dual cpu |
| 00:16.33 | pipeline | abrotman: The new license terms give you Solaris for free, no strings attached. |
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| 00:16.48 | pipeline | abrotman: Oh, they changed it a few times. The point is, the old terms were filled with provisos and catches and stupid shit. |
| 00:16.52 | abrotman | because the dual cpu covered the majority of the workstations |
| 00:16.55 | a1fa|64 | i am going to run this sparc box as dedicated landing ftp :P |
| 00:16.55 | abrotman | i know |
| 00:17.03 | abrotman | but unless you had a real server .. it was free |
| 00:17.05 | pipeline | abrotman: Heh, there were no built-in software limitations. It was just the text of the license. |
| 00:17.28 | pipeline | abrotman: Well, now it's really, truly, honest-to-god free. The only limitation of the free Solaris license, now, is that if you have more than a million LDAP users, you have to pay Sun for LDAP :P |
| 00:17.30 | nanok | a1fa|64: in that case, why would you want X ? |
| 00:17.46 | a1fa|64 | nanok: the dude gave me a monitor and the keyboard to go with it :P |
| 00:17.50 | zms | does grub (0.97) still has some limit beyond which it can not boot? |
| 00:17.51 | a1fa|64 | nanok: i got an ultra10 for free |
| 00:17.52 | a1fa|64 | :P |
| 00:18.14 | nanok | zms: you mean LBA? |
| 00:18.23 | aidan | can anyone recommend a command line 404 link checker? |
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| 00:18.29 | zms | nanok: I am not sure.. |
| 00:18.35 | nanok | aidan: wget? :) |
| 00:18.43 | Miesco | How come it sometimes says DEVICE IS BUSY when I try to unmount my cdrom? |
| 00:18.47 | abrotman | a1fa|64: so why not install solaris .. and learn it ? |
| 00:18.55 | abrotman | Miesco: something is using it |
| 00:18.58 | nanok | zms: is there an actual problem, or are you "just checking" |
| 00:19.00 | wols_ | zms: that's usually a BIOS limit, nothing a bootloader can do about it |
| 00:19.02 | zms | aidan: curl? |
| 00:19.03 | aidan | nanok: hehe |
| 00:19.13 | abrotman | lilo had a limit |
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| 00:19.18 | Miesco | abrotman: I closed everythough though |
| 00:19.26 | aidan | zms: I've got like 20,000 pages, I need something that forks |
| 00:19.27 | abrotman | Miesco: check with fuser |
| 00:19.28 | FabParma | eth000: si sono di parma |
| 00:19.28 | wols_ | Miesco: use lsof |
| 00:19.29 | nanok | Miesco: try fuser or lsof |
| 00:19.32 | Stevie-O | Miesco: lsof |
| 00:19.57 | a1fa|64 | ~testing |
| 00:19.58 | apt | somebody said testing was done - but yes, further excursions will take place elsewhere |
| 00:20.00 | zms | nanok: I just installed FC5 on a 160 gb secondary master with debian on my primary master. now grub won;t boot FC5. |
| 00:20.04 | FabParma | eth000: non riesco a chattare in pvt, dice che non sei registrato |
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| 00:20.08 | Miesco | fuser /dev/hdd? |
| 00:20.15 | abrotman | !es |
| 00:20.16 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:20.16 | nanok | aidan: you can maybe try perl, ;) |
| 00:20.19 | eth000 | io? |
| 00:20.28 | abrotman | Miesco: fuser /cdrom .. or whatever the mount point is |
| 00:20.28 | Stevie-O | Miesco: Note a caveat: Most editors change their cwd when you open a file. A program whose cwd is on the drive will keep it busy |
| 00:20.47 | abrotman | !it |
| 00:20.47 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 00:20.48 | Miesco | abrotman: It doesn't return anything |
| 00:20.49 | abrotman | there we go |
| 00:20.50 | JordiGH | aidan: wget -S http://www.google.ca/ofcoursenotthere.html outputs the 404 you want. :) |
| 00:20.59 | abrotman | Miesco: what's the mount point for your CD drive? |
| 00:21.09 | zms | nanok: I have correct entry for root, kernel and initrd in my menu.lst |
| 00:21.15 | Miesco | abrotman: /media/cdrom1 |
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| 00:21.28 | abrotman | Miesco: fuser /media/cdrom1 .. nothing comes up ? |
| 00:21.35 | Miesco | Yea |
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| 00:21.51 | Stevie-O | wait |
| 00:21.55 | Stevie-O | is /media/cdrom1 a symlink? |
| 00:22.05 | aidan | JordiGH: I need a proper one, that crawls my whole site |
| 00:22.06 | Miesco | No |
| 00:22.08 | Stevie-O | or is there a symlink to /media/cdrom1 ? |
| 00:22.13 | Miesco | No |
| 00:22.14 | nanok | Miesco: if all else fails, you can try umount -l , but i would not recommend it unless shit |
| 00:22.23 | jilocasin | evening all |
| 00:22.28 | Miesco | symlink to cdrom0 with cdrom |
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| 00:22.58 | zms | aidan: may be httrack? |
| 00:23.07 | HelmutG | Can I somehow debootstrap an amd64 installation on i386? |
| 00:23.11 | Miesco | /media/cdrom1: |
| 00:23.14 | Miesco | Thats what it says |
| 00:23.19 | jilocasin | running testing and just finished apt-get update / apt-get upgrade A message flashed accros the screen saying "Purge Hotplug Package" can anyone tell me what that's about? |
| 00:23.30 | abrotman | HelmutG: ask #debian-amd64 |
| 00:23.35 | HelmutG | abrotman: thanks |
| 00:23.37 | abrotman | jilocasin: you installed udev |
| 00:23.39 | nanok | HelmutG: i think so, try using the target arch option, read the docs, i cant remember by heart |
| 00:23.42 | aidan | mm looks interesting |
| 00:23.53 | abrotman | Miesco: fuser /media/ .. anything ? |
| 00:23.57 | zms | aidan: while browsing it should be able to list the links which gave 404 |
| 00:23.59 | JordiGH | jilocasin: nothing to worry about. You installed udev which replaces hotplug. |
| 00:24.10 | Miesco | /media: 2398c |
| 00:24.12 | nanok | jilocasin: it is about replacing hotplug by udev, i guess |
| 00:24.13 | HelmutG | nanok: --arch but it fails with mount -t proc proc /proc (obviously) |
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| 00:24.27 | abrotman | Miesco: ps aux | grep 2398 .. what is it ? |
| 00:24.32 | HelmutG | nanok: You cannot execute amd64 binaries on i386 (the other way works though). |
| 00:24.48 | Miesco | bash |
| 00:24.57 | abrotman | Miesco: so some bash is using it .. |
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| 00:24.58 | Stevie-O | lsof -p 2398 |
| 00:25.02 | nanok | HelmutG: hm, indeed. |
| 00:25.11 | abrotman | or you could jsut kill it :) |
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| 00:25.17 | Stevie-O | That's no fun |
| 00:25.21 | Stevie-O | unless you -11 it |
| 00:25.34 | Stevie-O | or -7 |
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| 00:25.35 | JaMaLz | how to check how much rams i'm using. |
| 00:25.36 | abrotman | -42 ? |
| 00:25.38 | xerophyte_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:25.43 | abrotman | JaMaLz: free |
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| 00:26.05 | Stevie-O | SIGRTMIN+8 ? |
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| 00:26.08 | nanok | JaMaLz: free. but take it wit a grain of salt, unless you actually understand what it means |
| 00:26.17 | nanok | s/wit/with |
| 00:26.24 | JaMaLz | nanok didn't get u |
| 00:26.29 | abrotman | !u |
| 00:26.29 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 00:26.53 | FabParma | eth000: ho fatto una stanza irc://irc.freenode.net/parmigiani.it |
| 00:27.02 | abrotman | !it |
| 00:27.02 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 00:27.03 | Stevie-O | are you calling me a fat stanza? |
| 00:27.07 | abrotman | FabParma: take it to #debian-it |
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| 00:27.19 | JordiGH | !ru |
| 00:27.20 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
| 00:27.23 | zms | aidan: httrack has --spider option .. looks interesting might be of use. |
| 00:27.33 | FabParma | i am sorry |
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| 00:27.43 | JordiGH | Hehehe... That's a cute transliteration. |
| 00:27.50 | FabParma | i would like to speak with a my friend |
| 00:27.53 | FabParma | in pvt |
| 00:28.01 | FabParma | but is not easy |
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| 00:28.04 | abrotman | so fucking msg him |
| 00:28.06 | abrotman | don't do it here |
| 00:28.14 | FabParma | ok |
| 00:28.16 | Stevie-O | Of course, if you don't have a registered nick... |
| 00:28.21 | nanok | FabParma: oh, should we all leave for an hour or so?.. |
| 00:28.24 | FabParma | sorry again guys |
| 00:28.25 | itsme5 | I say thanks to all for help :) and wish a good night :) bye |
| 00:28.26 | nanok | :P |
| 00:28.31 | abrotman | not my problem .. they can both /j #italian-fun! |
| 00:28.44 | jilocasin | JordiGH: So there isn't anything I have to purge? |
| 00:28.59 | FabParma | my apologize |
| 00:29.08 | erhanr | ok |
| 00:29.08 | JordiGH | jilocasin: I don't know. I didn't do it, and everything worked fine. |
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| 00:29.21 | FabParma | i will never do that again |
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| 00:30.13 | JaMaLz | i typed free i got stuff i don't know, i wanna make sure my system accepted my 4GB rams i added recently |
| 00:30.31 | abrotman | JaMaLz: cat /proc/meminfo |
| 00:30.34 | Miesco_ | umount -l worked |
| 00:30.41 | nanok | JaMaLz: unless you have highmem disabled, it should be ok |
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| 00:31.15 | Miesco_ | Anyone installed NHL 2005 on sarge? |
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| 00:31.38 | nanok | !anyone |
| 00:31.39 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 00:31.55 | abrotman | Miesco_: that game isn't made for linux |
| 00:32.05 | Miesco_ | Im using wine or cedega |
| 00:32.27 | abrotman | so ask #winehq or #cedega .. it's certainly not related to debian |
| 00:32.30 | LtL | JaMaLz - type 'free -g' g=gigabytes |
| 00:32.31 | Stevie-O | one might argue that most motherboard BIOSes (especially the ACPI stuff) wasn't made for use with Linux either... |
| 00:32.35 | nanok | Miesco_: so it is rather installed on cedega than on sarge |
| 00:32.49 | Miesco_ | Okay |
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| 00:33.13 | phaedral | sorry if OT; debian defaults to gnome because of license issues? rather than "performance"? |
| 00:33.20 | abrotman | it doesn't default to anything |
| 00:33.27 | phaedral | abrotman: touche |
| 00:33.50 | phaedral | I installed etch with, iirc, "laptop" and "desktop" |
| 00:33.56 | Azar | phaedral: as abrotman said: I only have the base with a small manager.. |
| 00:33.56 | phaedral | gave me gnome rather than kde |
| 00:34.01 | nanok | phaedral: it is your choice completely. |
| 00:34.12 | abrotman | phaedral: that's your fault .. tasksel sucks :) |
| 00:34.17 | bucky | phaedral: if you choose desktop environment with tasksel during install it will install both gnome and kde |
| 00:34.25 | phaedral | abrotman: that would be a second touche to you |
| 00:34.27 | nanok | phaedral: use kdm or gdm, and choose your environment |
| 00:34.27 | phaedral | :) |
| 00:34.39 | bucky | which most people don't want anyway |
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| 00:35.04 | phaedral | i'm not yet good enough to live with zero desktop |
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| 00:35.17 | phaedral | although I *am* doing more and more in screen |
| 00:35.26 | JordiGH | Hm, GNOME is not austere as it might seem at first. Try blackbox or twm for austere. :) |
| 00:35.30 | Azar | phaedral: why not put a wallpaper get openbox3 and you are good to go |
| 00:35.31 | nanok | phaedral: nobody is suggesting that |
| 00:35.47 | bucky | phaedral: most people use debian because they want to use apt-get |
| 00:36.04 | bucky | so they can install which ever wm they want |
| 00:36.05 | phaedral | nanok: I suggest it to myeslf; working on at least mastering ratpoison |
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| 00:36.14 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:36.14 | phaedral | and, bucky, apt-get freakin' rocks |
| 00:36.15 | JordiGH | Yeah. I almost switched to Ubuntu, but their apt-get gave me problems. |
| 00:36.31 | JaMaLz | how to know how many users i got over my box |
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| 00:36.56 | Azar | JaMaLz: try gkrellm |
| 00:36.59 | phaedral | JordiGH: don't tell the gurus on #debian, but I actually tried Ubuntu this last time around; it failed to do as much as the etch install for my newish laptop |
| 00:37.01 | nanok | phaedral: that's bullshit. use whatever works for you, it's pointless to get out of your way just to feel "more l33t" |
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| 00:37.22 | phaedral | nanok: you're right; I *learn* a little more by doing things the hard way |
| 00:37.26 | nanok | phaedral: if kde is ok for you, and you have the hw resources and space for it, just use it, imho |
| 00:37.28 | phaedral | otherwise I'd stick to m$ |
| 00:37.47 | phaedral | debian has moral highground, geekcred, and apt-get simplicity |
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| 00:37.53 | phaedral | hard to argue |
| 00:38.08 | nanok | phaedral: that is true also, but you shouldnt go out of your way to make things harder for yourself |
| 00:38.20 | JaMaLz | Azar command not found |
| 00:38.27 | phaedral | nanok: y'know, my law professor recently said the same thing |
| 00:38.33 | abrotman | JaMaLz: try 'w' |
| 00:38.36 | Azar | JaMaLz: gkrellm is a program google for it |
| 00:38.39 | phaedral | but it's a personality quirk I've learned to accept |
| 00:38.47 | abrotman | Azar: why can't you ever give a good answer? |
| 00:38.47 | Azar | haha dvs |
| 00:38.51 | [ex]hungry-hobo | u got it all wrong |
| 00:38.54 | abrotman | !u |
| 00:38.54 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 00:38.55 | nanok | xhaan: or windows is to shitty to run on that box.. |
| 00:39.06 | xhaan | lol yeah |
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| 00:39.08 | [ex]hungry-hobo | it the other way around..windows is too shitty to run on ur box! |
| 00:39.08 | xhaan | that too |
| 00:39.09 | Azar | abrotman sorry I was just in the middle of pouring some wine, so it got short |
| 00:39.09 | LtL | JaMaLz - type 'w' or 'who -a' or 'who' in a xterm. |
| 00:39.21 | [ex]hungry-hobo | damnitt somebody beat me to it lol |
| 00:39.23 | abrotman | Azar: gkrellm is a horrible way to see how many users you have on a box |
| 00:39.24 | phaedral | Azar: a little shiraz tonight? |
| 00:39.39 | abrotman | Azar: AND .. why would you google for it instead of using apt-cache search ? |
| 00:39.40 | phaedral | y'all have Trader Joe in your locale? |
| 00:39.49 | Azar | abrotman, why? I see how many users I have at any minute of the day |
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| 00:40.13 | abrotman | and it requires a GUI .. and a pile of other shit .. that's a lot of bloat to do something 'w' does |
| 00:40.16 | Azar | abrotman: , sorry I wasn't sure it is in debian repositories |
| 00:40.24 | abrotman | of course not |
| 00:40.33 | Azar | abrotman, I feel offended: I do not have a gui desktop |
| 00:40.38 | JaMaLz | LtL it didn't give me how many users i have |
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| 00:40.47 | nanok | abrotman: because it enhances the learning experinece, aka "makes things harder and more challenging" , that why (you dont know shit) |
| 00:40.50 | abrotman | so you're going to have someone google .. install from source .. then you'll run away when they want to fix it |
| 00:40.50 | nanok | :) |
| 00:40.53 | fRESH_OiL | hello |
| 00:40.57 | bucky | Azar: so how do you know about gkrellm |
| 00:41.07 | abrotman | !depends gkrellm sarge |
| 00:41.12 | dpkg | gkrellm: depends on libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.7.2), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21), libgcrypt11, libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.6.0), libgnutls11 (>= 1.0.16), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.6.0), libice6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.8.1), libsm6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libx11-6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), gkrellm-common (= 2.2.5-1.3) |
| 00:41.15 | [ex]hungry-hobo | no way man |
| 00:41.17 | Azar | bucky I installed last year and I forgot if I got it from repositories or just installed |
| 00:41.18 | pipeline | xhaan: Windows has much lower requirements than UNIX, actually :P |
| 00:41.18 | abrotman | that's a lot of X to not have a GUI |
| 00:41.20 | fRESH_OiL | looking for some help concerning FC5 and madWiFi... |
| 00:41.21 | [ex]hungry-hobo | apt rules the free world |
| 00:41.23 | pipeline | xhaan: Well, practically speaking. |
| 00:41.23 | LtL | JaMaLz - count them, possibly pipe output to wc |
| 00:41.29 | bucky | is there an ncurses version of gkrellm now? |
| 00:41.36 | pipeline | fRESH_OiL: This is #debian. Have you tried ##fedora or ##redhat ? |
| 00:41.37 | [ex]hungry-hobo | aint no way u see me google thru all those deps! lol |
| 00:41.41 | nanok | fRESH_OiL: /topic |
| 00:41.41 | abrotman | JaMaLz: it does at the top |
| 00:41.47 | abrotman | !tell [ex]hungry-hobo about u |
| 00:41.48 | zms | JaMaLz: how many users in /etc/passwd or how many logged in? |
| 00:42.00 | Azar | uh I ment sorry, no GUI I ment no Kde or Gnome... |
| 00:42.11 | [ex]hungry-hobo | u tell dpkg that lame lol |
| 00:42.15 | [ex]hungry-hobo | u is irc lingo |
| 00:42.16 | abrotman | !tell [ex]hungry-hobo about u |
| 00:42.20 | [ex]hungry-hobo | hahahaha |
| 00:42.23 | abrotman | fucking moron |
| 00:42.29 | [ex]hungry-hobo | nnaw i think i saw it the first 50 times lol |
| 00:42.34 | Azar | I assume that by now any Sarge installation comes with an X of some sort |
| 00:42.41 | Ronin | lost cause i suspect abrotman |
| 00:42.48 | [ex]hungry-hobo | u is an abbreviation..anyone past 3rd grade will tell u |
| 00:42.49 | tuxedup | i have a question about firewalls, im using a router at the moment and all the tests that I had done online all report it as secure and stealthed, ould it be worth me setting up a firewall on this actual machien to run locally, or would it just be a waste? |
| 00:42.52 | abrotman | Ronin: do you know how to kill over irc? |
| 00:42.56 | nanok | Azar: no, it comes with base install. as it should |
| 00:43.06 | Ronin | u is a letter actually [ex]hungry-hobo its not an abbreviation |
| 00:43.13 | Ronin | abrotman: i wish |
| 00:43.15 | [ex]hungry-hobo | yes it is a letter |
| 00:43.17 | [ex]hungry-hobo | good job |
| 00:43.21 | dvs | Ronin: unless you're Dutch |
| 00:43.25 | [ex]hungry-hobo | i see someone has been watching their seame street |
| 00:43.31 | stoned | i dunno about all the new libs and etc., but is it possible to run gnome 2.14 on sarge/stable |
| 00:43.36 | Ronin | the dutch can kill over irc? cool |
| 00:43.45 | [ex]hungry-hobo | and if u'd been ircing for 10+ yrs like me u might pick up on some irc lingo/abbreviations :) |
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| 00:43.50 | Azar | nanok hmmmmm I did base installation and I had to remove gdm, kdm and sisters because it would boot up in X |
| 00:43.54 | [ex]hungry-hobo | svaes little time in typing |
| 00:43.59 | [ex]hungry-hobo | make sense? |
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| 00:44.13 | abrotman | and makes you look like a total idiot |
| 00:44.20 | [ex]hungry-hobo | bahaha |
| 00:44.23 | Ronin | [ex]hungry-hobo: im sure we all know tons of irc/internet lingo the point trying to be made is we try to talk in as close to proper english as is possible here |
| 00:44.29 | [ex]hungry-hobo | why would it make me look like an idiot?! lol |
| 00:44.29 | bucky | Azar: you're the only person around here whose IQ actually went down since hanging around #debian |
| 00:44.36 | abrotman | so does using 'lol' |
| 00:44.38 | [ex]hungry-hobo | cuz im not elite enuff to spell out y-o-u?! |
| 00:44.44 | abrotman | obviously a troll |
| 00:44.49 | [ex]hungry-hobo | only idiots are the ones who dont understand u=you |
| 00:44.58 | Azar | bucky I just come from a hard day work, I guess my brain is melting down |
| 00:44.59 | abrotman | only idiots would use it to begin with |
| 00:45.11 | Ronin | im guessing [ex]hungry-hobo missed the whole point of my last comment |
| 00:45.14 | stoned | people don't look like idiots for shortcut typing. they only get annoying. it is quite ingenious to come up with way to minimize the amount of keys hit, but it is very annoying to sit there and decipher shorthand irc lingo |
| 00:45.14 | [ex]hungry-hobo | plz.i thought i had seen the worst of elitists |
| 00:45.22 | abrotman | go troll elsewhere |
| 00:45.26 | bucky | [ex]hungry-hobo: only idiots who are too lazy to type out you and still expect something from the channel |
| 00:45.27 | [ex]hungry-hobo | and now u guys make abbreviating words a crime too lol |
| 00:45.37 | [ex]hungry-hobo | get used to it man..its the way irc ppl chat |
| 00:45.38 | dvs | bucky: well said |
| 00:45.39 | [ex]hungry-hobo | and it aint goin away |
| 00:45.44 | Ronin | ahh thats better |
| 00:45.52 | abrotman | holy crap .. what a retard |
| 00:46.00 | bucky | !irritate [ex]hungry-hobo |
| 00:46.01 | dpkg | [ex]hungry-hobo: hi every1 who uses sound plz msg me, PumpkinPie |
| 00:46.01 | stoned | abrotman, thats not nice |
| 00:46.02 | [ex]hungry-hobo | bucky: expecting what?? |
| 00:46.02 | nanok | [ex]hungry-hobo: bye. have a nice life |
| 00:46.03 | Azar | [ex]hungry-hobo: if you do not talk correctly english you (not u) will be ignored |
| 00:46.09 | abrotman | stoned: and? |
| 00:46.11 | Ronin | stoned: but true it seems |
| 00:46.12 | [ex]hungry-hobo | losers to flame because ppl use abbreviations? |
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| 00:46.17 | [ex]hungry-hobo | go get a real freakin life |
| 00:46.18 | abrotman | !ppl |
| 00:46.18 | dpkg | I'd like to buy two vowels please. I'll have an E and an O. [If you mean people, it's not that hard to type.], or <Guerin> parts per litre? how many? |
| 00:46.18 | bucky | [ex]hungry-hobo: did you come here to tell us how to use debian? |
| 00:46.23 | [ex]hungry-hobo | bitch about the environment or something |
| 00:46.27 | stoned | im just saying |
| 00:46.27 | bucky | !irritate [ex]hungry-hobo |
| 00:46.28 | dpkg | [ex]hungry-hobo: wenas how does I run teh quake3 !!!! |
| 00:46.29 | nanok | ignore rucks, i hasten to say, again.. |
| 00:46.34 | zms | guys, [ex]hungry-hobo is feeding on our comments.. please just ignore him. |
| 00:46.37 | [ex]hungry-hobo | fuck u kids got better thgings to do that bitch about how oppl abbreviate |
| 00:46.44 | abrotman | yay .. he's going to go away! |
| 00:46.45 | bucky | !irritate [ex]hungry-hobo |
| 00:46.45 | Vinland | I am not the lord of the fairies |
| 00:46.45 | dpkg | [ex]hungry-hobo: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? who uses sound plz msg me, doccae |
| 00:46.46 | [ex]hungry-hobo | cuz its lame |
| 00:46.54 | [ex]hungry-hobo | u guys are acting soo lame right now |
| 00:46.56 | bucky | !irritate [ex]hungry-hobo |
| 00:46.56 | dpkg | [ex]hungry-hobo: hi every1 who uses gnome plz msg me, hackel |
| 00:46.59 | abrotman | good .. please go away |
| 00:47.19 | [ex]hungry-hobo | u gonna have to kick me if u want me gone..i wont let u ruin my irc experience |
| 00:47.27 | [ex]hungry-hobo | i like to be in here to learn |
| 00:47.32 | abrotman | learn english first |
| 00:47.36 | Azar | hahaha |
| 00:47.37 | [ex]hungry-hobo | not to listen to elitists bitch cuz i dont type 2 extra letters |
| 00:47.40 | bucky | !ops [ex]hungry-hobo u gonna have to kick me |
| 00:47.40 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: [ex]hungry-hobo u gonna have to kick me |
| 00:47.47 | Ronin | [ex]hungry-hobo: thats good thas why most of us are here, they just ask folks play by the local rules is all |
| 00:47.54 | [ex]hungry-hobo | i think i speak fluent english thank you |
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| 00:48.02 | [ex]hungry-hobo | look upo abbreviation in the dictionary |
| 00:48.05 | phaedral | [ex]hungry-hobo: dude, this is a community; either play by their rules or take a hike |
| 00:48.11 | [ex]hungry-hobo | and go back and get a diploma while ur at it |
| 00:48.14 | helix | ok everyone |
| 00:48.17 | stoned | instead of namecalling, just explain to the man why irc abbreviations are annoying. there are people from all over the world, who come here, because this is a support channel, not all these people have been ircing for a decade, and they don't know these abbreviations. Plus, when someone types 'u' 'r' 'ppl' etc. it gets really annoying sitting there and trying to figure out what the hell this guy is saying. you're not a retard, but your |
| 00:48.17 | stoned | not where people typicall irc chat. this is a support channel, you should speak proper english, becaseu there are already too many damn abbreviations for softwrare and such as it is. |
| 00:48.22 | helix | [ex]hungry-hobo: please calm down |
| 00:48.24 | stoned | I hope this makes a bit more sense as to WHY |
| 00:48.25 | Daishi | isnt there any better linux graphics benchmark type thing than glxgears? |
| 00:48.29 | helix | this goes forever is yelling at him too |
| 00:48.33 | Vinland | hungry-hobo -using teenie bopper abbreviations will not earn you respect here or really anywhere. Its childish and its downright gay. |
| 00:48.33 | abrotman | Daishi: that is not a benchmark |
| 00:48.34 | helix | er, for whoever |
| 00:48.42 | Daishi | abrotman: i use the term lightly |
| 00:48.47 | helix | please don't make me use caps lock :( |
| 00:48.52 | dvs | yikes!~ |
| 00:48.52 | [ex]hungry-hobo | stoned: i really appreciate they way you just handled that |
| 00:48.57 | abrotman | Daishi: i think i saw one the other day .. |
| 00:49.00 | phaedral | stoned: blessed be the peacemakers |
| 00:49.07 | [ex]hungry-hobo | and if i wasnt getting bombarded by elitists lamers we could have settled this already |
| 00:49.08 | abrotman | Daishi: moment |
| 00:49.11 | stoned | its the weed man |
| 00:49.15 | phaedral | Vinland: did you say "gay" |
| 00:49.20 | Daishi | abrotman: k thx |
| 00:49.21 | phaedral | as in "happy and vibrant"? |
| 00:49.23 | Vinland | fucking rights I did |
| 00:49.26 | [ex]hungry-hobo | andf im sorry if a moronn cant figger out that u= you and ppl= people ..but ur just a freakin idiot if u cant |
| 00:49.27 | phaedral | or as some kind of pejorative |
| 00:49.28 | phaedral | :) |
| 00:49.30 | [ex]hungry-hobo | nuff said |
| 00:49.35 | Ronin | heh |
| 00:49.37 | abrotman | fucking moron |
| 00:49.52 | Vinland | phaedral - as in takes it in the brown. |
| 00:49.52 | abrotman | Daishi: http://happypenguin.org/show?GL%20O.B.S. .. but i've never used it |
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| 00:50.05 | phaedral | Vinland: nah; exit only there |
| 00:50.07 | stoned | i need more beef jerky |
| 00:50.09 | helix | [ex]hungry-hobo, abrotman, and everyone else: please. stop. |
| 00:50.10 | [ex]hungry-hobo | abrotman: learn a new phrase while your at it bud..freakin moron was cute about 3 pages ago when u said it 20 time |
| 00:50.14 | phaedral | was funnin' ya; peace? |
| 00:50.18 | helix | ok then |
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| 00:50.29 | phaedral | !beer Ronin |
| 00:50.29 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@c-69-243-132-209.hsd1.in.comcast.net] by helix |
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| 00:50.36 | Ronin | perfect thanks phaedral and dpkg :) |
| 00:50.41 | Daishi | abrotman: oo thanks |
| 00:50.46 | abrotman | Daishi: it's also not packaged |
| 00:50.50 | abrotman | maybe helix will package it! |
| 00:50.52 | Azar | thank you helix |
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| 00:51.08 | helix | do I need to give you guys the standard YHBT speech? |
| 00:51.12 | helix | or what? |
| 00:51.23 | helix | you are all like a bunch of misbehaving, territorial bullies |
| 00:51.24 | abrotman | can't you just say "YHBT" :) |
| 00:51.35 | stoned | helix, I think it was a timing issue, he had already typed it and it came out right after you warned him, so I dunno, maybe he shouldn't be banned, but then again maybe he should |
| 00:51.46 | helix | abrotman: that doesn't make me feel like enough of a nun, complete with handslapping ruler |
| 00:51.58 | Daishi | abrotman: heh |
| 00:52.06 | abrotman | helix: oh .. rulers! .. i'll be good! :) |
| 00:52.12 | dvs | abrotman: saddist |
| 00:52.17 | abrotman | i'm going to be good! |
| 00:52.19 | abrotman | not bad |
| 00:52.21 | phaedral | !yhbt |
| 00:52.21 | dpkg | rumour has it, yhbt is You Have Been Trolled |
| 00:52.21 | abrotman | jeez |
| 00:52.26 | nanok | yeah. helix is right, really. i used ignore not because he was using "u" and such, but because he was becoming oververbose, the funny thing is that ignore was useless, as you guys were talking more shit than he did, in reply to him :/ |
| 00:52.27 | phaedral | ah |
| 00:52.27 | stoned | man I went to a private catholic school until 9th grade. Rulers and paddles are evil |
| 00:52.28 | helix | stoned: tbh, I am less concerned about one-time troublemakers than I am about a consistent inability with our regulars (I'm looking at you, abrotman) to handle them properly |
| 00:52.29 | Daishi | abrotman: first it needs to pass a gazillion-blind debian purity test |
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| 00:52.50 | abrotman | helix: i get singled out? |
| 00:52.52 | helix | nanok: right, exactly |
| 00:53.05 | stoned | what is tbh? |
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| 00:53.09 | helix | abrotman: yes, because you have been around longer and should know better |
| 00:53.13 | helix | stoned: to be honest |
| 00:53.14 | stoned | oh |
| 00:53.15 | abrotman | Daishi: it may .. i've not tried it .. SCons is weird though .. Danger from the deep is weird too |
| 00:53.28 | abrotman | helix: i did mostly stop .. i just wanted him to go away |
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| 00:53.36 | abrotman | regardless . done is done |
| 00:53.37 | helix | abrotman: riddle me this |
| 00:53.41 | Daishi | oo scons...i think i used that to build something once or twice |
| 00:53.45 | stoned | helix, I didn't handle that properly? |
| 00:53.47 | helix | abrotman: why did you not use ignore? why do you not usually use ignore? |
| 00:53.52 | Daishi | i dont think we really need 100 different build systems |
| 00:54.07 | helix | stoned: yes |
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| 00:54.11 | stoned | how so? |
| 00:54.22 | abrotman | helix: depends .. i thought it would just stop .. i don't really like ignore, but i do sometimes use it . and nearly did with him |
| 00:54.23 | helix | you... weren't namecalling, being antagonistic, etc etc |
| 00:54.46 | abrotman | Daishi: hrm .. i don't see a tarball |
| 00:54.57 | dvs | abrotman: Man, I didn't hesitate to use /ignore |
| 00:54.58 | Daishi | yea its svn |
| 00:54.58 | stoned | wait so how is that my inability to handle that situation im lost man, probably not even important yeah? heh |
| 00:54.58 | abrotman | Daishi: ignore that .. i can't read :) |
| 00:55.05 | Daishi | oo lol |
| 00:55.08 | Daishi | now i see that too |
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| 00:55.30 | abrotman | Daishi: i'm going to try it |
| 00:55.42 | Daishi | yea me too |
| 00:56.01 | abrotman | scons is so freaking weird |
| 00:56.11 | chealer | abrotman: repeatingly trowing the u factoid is unlikely to make a troll stop |
| 00:56.15 | pipeline | abrotman: Let us not talk about that word again. |
| 00:56.17 | narma | hell. I have just installed dri driver for via CLE266 video card. I have 3D rendering now (650 at glxgears). But with egoboo (I only tested this 3D application and glxgears), characters aren't displayed ! All is fine (wall, fire, shadow, etc..) except characters... Is there someone who can help me ? |
| 00:56.27 | abrotman | pipeline: scons or freaking? |
| 00:56.35 | pipeline | abrotman: The former, the former. Say not the cursed name! |
| 00:56.45 | abrotman | pipeline: not scones! .. scons! |
| 00:56.56 | pipeline | abrotman: EVIL. |
| 00:57.11 | pipeline | abrotman: Build systems should not double as scripting languages :P |
| 00:57.30 | k31th | Um, i want to tar the whole of / How do i mount an existing logical volume ? i.e the one that centos installed when i installed which containes swap and / |
| 00:57.33 | Shadowwulf | i have a dell laptop running sarge .. ran expert26 and went to install debian ... with no network setup i am gettng a couldn't download console-data error and have reburned and checked the md5 image |
| 00:57.34 | k31th | im booted froma live cd |
| 00:57.36 | k31th | which has lvm support. |
| 00:57.46 | Shadowwulf | whats wrong with my install |
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| 00:58.04 | pipeline | k31th: lvdisplay ? :P |
| 00:58.05 | Daishi | hrm its working fine for me abrotman |
| 00:58.09 | Shadowwulf | and how do i get to var/log/messages to see the error |
| 00:58.17 | abrotman | Daishi: ok .. that's pretty freaking cool :) |
| 00:58.25 | pipeline | abrotman: I'm partial to ant. That's a build system Done Right, by god. |
| 00:58.28 | stoned | Shad0wcat, dmesg? |
| 00:58.35 | stoned | Shadowwulf* |
| 00:58.43 | phaedral | Shadowwulf: i just put etch on a presario v2000, and i'm no guru |
| 00:58.43 | abrotman | pipeline: i'm not a big fan of ant .. scons is weird .. but so are the autotools :) |
| 00:58.45 | phaedral | fwiw |
| 00:59.10 | Shadowwulf | ok ... dmesg ? |
| 00:59.22 | k31th | pipeline: yes that shows the info about them but how do i mount them ? |
| 00:59.29 | pipeline | abrotman: Ant is intimidating at first because of its XML build files, but it's really a very elegant system. Easy to extend without being TOO easy to extend. |
| 00:59.38 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: You say that about everything. My theory is that you're useless. |
| 00:59.41 | Daishi | abrotman: yea now all they need is a db of comparisons |
| 00:59.41 | pipeline | k31th: the same way you mount any other device. You should find the lv devices in /dev/mapper/ ... |
| 00:59.46 | dvs | pipeline: huh? |
| 00:59.56 | stew | pipeline: ant pissed me off |
| 00:59.57 | Daishi | and a "Run All Tests" button |
| 01:00.01 | k31th | pipeline: i dont, LV Status NOT available |
| 01:00.06 | pipeline | dvs: SCONS allows you to include extensions to SCONS inside your build files. Which rapidly turns into a mess. |
| 01:00.11 | stew | pipeline: but its good, its just that it came around just when i was getting really good at makefiles :) |
| 01:00.13 | stoned | Shadowwulf, you are on the debian installer? just do alt + f2 and open ash |
| 01:00.16 | pipeline | k31th: I thought you just said it was working :P |
| 01:00.21 | stew | pipeline: and yes, scons is a mess |
| 01:00.27 | Shadowwulf | ok ... now what ? |
| 01:00.33 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: i think the ops agree :) |
| 01:00.35 | k31th | pipeline: no, it shows the info. |
| 01:00.42 | stoned | i dunno |
| 01:00.42 | stew | pipeline: and maven looks like a potential mess for debian at least |
| 01:01.01 | k31th | pipeline: bot doesnt appear in device mapper |
| 01:01.08 | pipeline | stew: I've not even heard hype about maven, which indicates that it's not cool enough for proponents to get excited about. |
| 01:01.14 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Yay! |
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| 01:01.28 | pipeline | k31th: That's pretty weird. I'm afraid I can't do much to help you with that. Have you loaded all the appropriate modules? -_- |
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| 01:01.37 | pipeline | k31th: Are the volumes active? |
| 01:02.05 | stew | pipeline: its an ant replacement, you'll hear about it soon enough. the debian java maintainers are trying to figure out how to get it in, since maven builds itsself, they have a chicken and egg thing |
| 01:02.07 | Shadowwulf | im in /var/log cant cd to messages |
| 01:02.15 | abrotman | Daishi: yes .. central DB would be good |
| 01:02.21 | pipeline | stew: That sounds awful. |
| 01:02.22 | zms | k31th: e.g. "brw------- 1 root root 254, 2 2006-03-25 10:50 /dev/mapper/sys_vg-var_lv" is my var lv |
| 01:02.27 | k31th | pipeline: its a working system, im booting a gentoo live cd so i can mount the system and tar the whole of root to a file on another disk. |
| 01:02.29 | pipeline | stew: Given how entrenched ant is, I expect nothing will unseat it :P |
| 01:02.41 | nanok | Shadowwulf: uh... cant cd to a file? why would that be?.. |
| 01:02.41 | pipeline | k31th: well, there's your problem. Boot a non-shit livecd and try again :) |
| 01:02.42 | nanok | ;) |
| 01:02.51 | Daishi | http://globs.sourceforge.net/browse.php lol |
| 01:02.55 | stew | pipeline: you would have said that about make at some point |
| 01:02.57 | Shadowwulf | ok ... oops... then how do i view it ? |
| 01:02.59 | Daishi | oo it doesnt work /: |
| 01:03.02 | k31th | pipeline: this cd has support for lvm tho ? |
| 01:03.02 | pipeline | k31th: That said, it's perfectly safe to boot your system in single-user, remount root ro,noatime, and then tar it up. |
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| 01:03.10 | abrotman | Daishi: it does .. but there's no data |
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| 01:03.15 | pipeline | stew: And make isn't being replaced. |
| 01:03.19 | zms | Shadowwulf: messages is a file.. can't cd to it.. |
| 01:03.22 | Shadowwulf | didnt relize it was a file ... <---- new to this |
| 01:03.22 | pipeline | stew: SCONS has excessively obvious flaws :P |
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| 01:03.28 | stew | pipeline: it was replaced by ant in the java world, i mean |
| 01:03.32 | pipeline | stew: Autotools has made make usable. |
| 01:03.37 | nanok | Shadowwulf: use ls -l to find out |
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| 01:03.42 | k31th | pipeline: how do i boot into single usermode? |
| 01:03.44 | nanok | Shadowwulf: in the future |
| 01:03.48 | pipeline | stew: Heh, java didn't have or need autotools, and it ran on platforms with incompatible 'make' binaries (microsoft and everything else) :P |
| 01:03.52 | abrotman | Daishi: there's one in the forum .. that's it |
| 01:03.56 | pipeline | k31th: add "single" to kernel arguments. |
| 01:03.58 | nanok | k31th: single |
| 01:04.10 | pipeline | k31th: Just boot the regular system and mount root read-only and noatime and go at it :P |
| 01:04.28 | Shadowwulf | ok ... so how do i view it to see what error its giving me so i can fix the issue |
| 01:04.28 | nanok | k31th: also "1" should be good |
| 01:04.46 | nanok | Shadowwulf: tail file |
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| 01:05.00 | nanok | tail will show only the last 20 lines by default |
| 01:05.21 | abrotman | nanok: -n ? |
| 01:05.22 | Daishi | abrotman: yea and ill probably post my results if i remember to later, dont really feel like registering /: |
| 01:05.35 | abrotman | Daishi: what card do you have? |
| 01:05.37 | Daishi | meh ill reg |
| 01:05.42 | Daishi | lol a radeon 7200 |
| 01:05.49 | Shadowwulf | ok ... if i see this right .... last line says no space left on device ... but i did set up my HD for install |
| 01:05.50 | nanok | abrotman: ofc, but it's not the time yet, for him. all he wants is the file on stdout ;) for now.. |
| 01:05.50 | zms | nanok: 10 |
| 01:05.52 | abrotman | Daishi: hehe .. i wonder who is worse .. me or you :) |
| 01:06.00 | abrotman | nanok: oh kok |
| 01:06.45 | zms | Shadowwulf: also try df -h |
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| 01:07.04 | nanok | Shadowwulf: what is your problem again? |
| 01:07.04 | Daishi | hrm i cant seem to open or save |
| 01:07.16 | nanok | Shadowwulf: sorry, but i seem to have missed it |
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| 01:07.37 | Shadowwulf | i have a dell laptop running sarge .. ran expert26 and went to install debian ... with no network setup i am gettng a couldn't download console-data error and have reburned and checked the md5 image |
| 01:08.03 | Shadowwulf | and how do i exit this ash or console ? |
| 01:08.07 | pipeline | ctrl D |
| 01:08.11 | cureless | Shadowwulf: have you tried not using the expert26? |
| 01:08.20 | nanok | Shadowwulf: oh, it is the cd that is corrupted, than, maybe? |
| 01:08.42 | cureless | Shadowwulf: you mean Alt-Fx? |
| 01:08.50 | zms | nanok: he found "no space left on device" in messages file. |
| 01:08.56 | nanok | Shadowwulf: have you got another copy at hand? or maybe the iso image (and do run md5sum on it, before burning) |
| 01:09.06 | nanok | zms: hm.. interesting |
| 01:09.10 | zms | Shadowwulf: maybe the partition where you are installing is too small? |
| 01:09.12 | Shadowwulf | tried using expert26 becuase the default kept giving me another error and the CD is fine supposedily |
| 01:09.18 | Shadowwulf | 8 gig ? |
| 01:09.37 | cureless | Shadowwulf: what are you trying to install, what version? |
| 01:09.46 | Shadowwulf | i did run a md5sum ... said it was good ... have used two differnt CD burners |
| 01:10.02 | Shadowwulf | the newest one .. 301r1 ? |
| 01:10.05 | Shadowwulf | or somethin |
| 01:10.06 | abrotman | Daishi: how bad are your numbers? |
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| 01:10.11 | zms | Shadowwulf: 8gig is very large.. then how/why the no space message? I wonder. |
| 01:10.15 | nanok | Shadowwulf: ok, make sure the partition you are using for the / is actually the 8gig one |
| 01:10.39 | Shadowwulf | i need to get out of the ash console first ctrl-d isnt doing it |
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| 01:10.50 | Daishi | abrotman: i dunno the smoke is the lowest at 47.8 |
| 01:10.52 | cureless | Shadowwulf: alt-F1 |
| 01:10.55 | nanok | zms: chose the swap partition by mistake, instead? (allthough, there shouldnt be need for more than 300megs or so, up to that stage) |
| 01:11.10 | nanok | Shadowwulf: alt+f1 |
| 01:11.21 | nanok | Shadowwulf: will get you back to the installer |
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| 01:11.28 | Shadowwulf | i have several partitions and did set up the 8 gig for debian with a /root |
| 01:11.43 | Daishi | abrotman: what about you? |
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| 01:12.13 | abrotman | Daishi: i dont' feel so bad |
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| 01:12.18 | cureless | Shadowwulf: by /root you mean just "/" right? |
| 01:12.22 | Shadowwulf | currently its ext3 yes format mount is / default options usage standard |
| 01:12.28 | Shadowwulf | yeah |
| 01:12.29 | zms | Shadowwulf: a single partition of 8 gigs mounted on / of type ext3, correct? |
| 01:12.31 | Shadowwulf | just / |
| 01:12.34 | abrotman | Daishi: my smoke is at 111 .. but i am on a laptop :) |
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| 01:12.59 | cureless | Shadowwulf: what's the error you get when you do a normal install? |
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| 01:13.39 | Shadowwulf | ummm i would have to redo it and tell you ... but its another error of some sort in the same place ... cant load something else |
| 01:13.43 | nanok | Shadowwulf: have you selected the partition to be "formated" or "keep data" ? |
| 01:13.43 | itrebal | whats teh default kernel (i think 2.6.something) in Sarge? |
| 01:13.46 | Shadowwulf | want me to try it ? |
| 01:13.57 | Shadowwulf | format the part |
| 01:13.57 | itrebal | the default kernel image* |
| 01:14.01 | Daishi | abrotman: ohh, wow, yea almost anything i play in linux i run at the min, i dont play much |
| 01:14.10 | Shadowwulf | i think default is 2.4 |
| 01:14.17 | Daishi | im waiting for the revolution, it will be cheaper and better than a new gfx card |
| 01:14.17 | abrotman | Daishi: i don't play games at all really .. that's not why i bought a laptop :) |
| 01:14.44 | Daishi | abrotman: i have moments where i try to get into them and then just stop |
| 01:14.52 | itrebal | the defaul tis 2.4, but somewhere it asked if i wanted 2.6.something and i click ok - now i need to do <boot image name> root=/dev/hda2 to boot it |
| 01:15.05 | Shadowwulf | want me to abort and try default install ? |
| 01:15.10 | cureless | yes |
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| 01:15.25 | cureless | Shadowwulf: are you trying to dual boot? |
| 01:15.30 | nanok | itrebal: ls -l /boot |
| 01:15.35 | Shadowwulf | i had to go default expert because my pcmcia card was frezzing the install |
| 01:15.38 | Shadowwulf | yes |
| 01:15.41 | Shadowwulf | in a brub |
| 01:15.43 | Shadowwulf | grub |
| 01:15.57 | abrotman | Daishi: that's why i have a PS2 :) |
| 01:15.59 | Shadowwulf | actually if all works out tri boot |
| 01:16.05 | cureless | Shadowwulf: why don't you remove the card? |
| 01:16.07 | itrebal | "vmlinuz-2.4.27-2-386" is that an image? |
| 01:16.19 | abrotman | itrebal: that's the kernel .. it's in /boot/ right ? |
| 01:16.30 | Shadowwulf | i did |
| 01:16.42 | nanok | itrebal: yup. that is the default one, afair |
| 01:16.43 | Shadowwulf | but the detect of just the type froze the install |
| 01:16.46 | itrebal | abrotman: yea, but i need to know the image name - the people in ##linux said it would usually be one word, example: bare.i or bareacpi.i |
| 01:16.56 | Daishi | http://globs.sourceforge.net/punbb/viewtopic.php?pid=11#p11 wee |
| 01:17.07 | abrotman | itrebal: what are they asking you? |
| 01:17.09 | Daishi | now the guy will know what to label as "Low end" |
| 01:17.17 | chealer | when I try to execute the first example script from debconf-devel (in LIBRARIES section, the one at http://ido.ath.cx/debctest) as root, and on several boxes, it fails with exit code 255. stderr is at http://ido.ath.cx/debconfail Am I wrong to expect that this script should exit with 0 when run as root? I see #223683 with similar errors, but my /tmp-s are not noexec |
| 01:17.25 | itrebal | abrotman: i am the one needing the asistance |
| 01:17.37 | abrotman | Daishi: nice |
| 01:17.46 | abrotman | itrebal: i realize that .. what are you trying to do? |
| 01:17.51 | cureless | Shadowwulf: do you need that card for the install, i.e. is it a network card and you're installing via the network? |
| 01:18.19 | Shadowwulf | no i have intregrated network |
| 01:18.24 | Shadowwulf | on the laptop |
| 01:18.56 | nanok | Shadowwulf: than try nopcmcia, not expert ;) |
| 01:19.00 | itrebal | abrotman: i installed debian sarge, with the 2.6.something kernel and then installed windows, linux is still intact, as well as windows, linux is on /dev/hda3 and i need to boot to it, to install grub into the MBR |
| 01:19.15 | cureless | Shadowwulf: that's ok, the question is, do you need the network card for the install? are you doing a network install? |
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| 01:19.23 | nanok | Shadowwulf: see te help screen on the boot screen, cant remember the exact option |
| 01:19.24 | Shadowwulf | tried that last night ... still tryed to install the pcmcia card |
| 01:19.28 | abrotman | itrebal: you'll need a boot disk of some sort |
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| 01:19.39 | dvs | Shadowwulf: wireless? |
| 01:19.43 | Shadowwulf | yeo |
| 01:19.45 | Shadowwulf | yep |
| 01:19.53 | dvs | good luck |
| 01:19.55 | cureless | Shadowwulf: but you tried without the card installed, right? |
| 01:20.00 | Shadowwulf | yes |
| 01:20.00 | abrotman | itrebal: did you do anything in linux before installing windows? |
| 01:20.15 | itrebal | abrotman: i have the debian installer to boot with, and yea i did |
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| 01:20.31 | phaedral | still looking for a clue on getting k3b to burn to a dvd+r; it's telling me it needs a -r |
| 01:20.38 | Shadowwulf | its trying to install a yenta_socket for texas intrument PCI1410 PC card and frezzes at 2% |
| 01:21.11 | Shadowwulf | thats why i was told to switch to the 26 linux |
| 01:21.21 | k31th | pipeline: Yeah i booted my ubuntu-live cd and it worked great you where right, crappy cd :p |
| 01:21.21 | nanok | phaedral: run k3b-setup, see if it complains about some missing components you shoudl install |
| 01:21.36 | phaedral | nanok: will do; thanks |
| 01:21.39 | pipeline | k31th: Don't forget to use the -l option when you tar up your filesystem. |
| 01:21.52 | pipeline | k31th: Also, you can tar to stdout, then untar from stdin, which makes the copying process faster :P |
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| 01:22.14 | abrotman | itrebal: you might be able to boot the installer again and just install grub .. but i've never tried it |
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| 01:22.35 | k31th | pipeline: tbh, im just going to do cp -prv /* /mnt/diff-drive |
| 01:22.50 | nanok | k31th: cp -avx |
| 01:23.08 | k31th | what does the a do keep attrib ? |
| 01:23.17 | k31th | and wat about the x ? |
| 01:23.26 | cureless | Shadowwulf: try the 26 kernel then |
| 01:23.34 | nanok | k31th: man cp ;), it does more than one thing.. |
| 01:24.04 | k31th | nanok: will what i have done -prv not work then ? |
| 01:24.43 | paul_ | I have a problem , where upon booting KDE , several windows popup for a program called dvd author, , how can I stop that program from wanting to open every time I boot up..? |
| 01:24.56 | nanok | k31th: as a firend of mine once said, using cp -avx (or rsync -aHvx iirc), one can copy a linux system w/o problems. all you would need to do after is make it bootable ;) |
| 01:25.42 | k31th | nanok: a stands for archive then |
| 01:25.49 | nanok | k31th: dont know, maybe it will, i havent checked, but that is what i have got used to using for that purpose, and it is "known to work" (TM) |
| 01:25.50 | Stevie-O | -a does stand for archive |
| 01:26.01 | Stevie-O | You'd do well to --sparse=always too |
| 01:26.18 | k31th | i want to copy it another disk and boot it basically |
| 01:26.20 | nanok | k31th: also, you might want to check the numeric id's option ;) |
| 01:26.20 | abrotman | paul_: close the windows .. exit kde and save your session ? |
| 01:26.31 | Stevie-O | -a (or --archive) is an alias for -d -P -r |
| 01:26.40 | k31th | nano -p preserves perms iirc |
| 01:26.48 | paul_ | okay i'll try |
| 01:26.58 | Stevie-O | nano -p ? |
| 01:27.08 | k31th | doh |
| 01:27.10 | nanok | Stevie-O: nanok he meant, i guess |
| 01:27.10 | Stevie-O | nano edits existing files, how would it trash your perms |
| 01:27.13 | k31th | didnt mean nano |
| 01:27.14 | SonnyBurnett | hi, how can I know what is scanning updatedb when I run it? |
| 01:27.24 | k31th | jesus lack of sleep :p |
| 01:27.35 | Stevie-O | jesus doesn't help with lack of sleep. |
| 01:27.47 | Stevie-O | You'd do better to just lay off the caffiene |
| 01:27.55 | phaedral | uh, k3b-setup just gives a blank dialog |
| 01:27.57 | phaedral | grr |
| 01:28.04 | k31th | i know i asked him, he told me to man sleep |
| 01:28.25 | Stevie-O | perl -le 'sleep !$WINK for 1..40' |
| 01:28.42 | nanok | phaedral: try apt-cahce show k3b, see what it says for recommends and such, see if you lack anything |
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| 01:29.20 | abrotman | phaedral: gnomebaker! |
| 01:29.30 | Stevie-O | gnomebaker ? |
| 01:29.36 | abrotman | !info gnomebaker etch |
| 01:29.39 | dpkg | gnomebaker: (application for CD/DVD creation in the GNOME desktop), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.5.1-1 (etch), Packaged size: 876 kB, Installed size: 2652 kB |
| 01:30.01 | phaedral | nanok: thanks; that's a new one for me |
| 01:30.05 | dvs | yuck! |
| 01:30.16 | nanok | well, thats nice, looks small (though it pulls half of gnome with it, i reckon) |
| 01:30.22 | phaedral | abrotman: one thing at a time, but thanks |
| 01:30.40 | itrebal | abrotman: what if i were to use a live-cd, mount the harddrive as read/write, and run grub-install? |
| 01:30.45 | abrotman | dvs: sad life |
| 01:30.49 | abrotman | itrebal: that would work |
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| 01:30.58 | abrotman | itrebal: or you can use ubuntu .. and use the grub menu |
| 01:31.04 | nanok | phaedral: np. it is good to learn how to do it yourself in the future, for other issues also, that's why i am not providing fully working recipies usualy ;) |
| 01:31.04 | phaedral | is there an easy way to tell apt-get to include he recommend/suggests? |
| 01:31.17 | dvs | abrotman: That's what the beer is for. |
| 01:31.20 | nanok | phaedral: i think it is easyer to do with aptitude |
| 01:31.21 | k31th | to realign a screen wat is it ? |
| 01:31.31 | k31th | ctrl ? some thing |
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| 01:31.43 | nanok | k31th: ctrl +l |
| 01:31.53 | nanok | k31th: you mean clear |
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| 01:31.57 | Kelsi | I have a quick question, I've been wondering about this for a while, but haven't figured it out by myself. Is there a way I can send "$ rdesktop" to the bottom panel (ie. minimize it) if I have it in full screen? |
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| 01:32.44 | scarynetworkguy | exit |
| 01:33.24 | Kelsi | (without diconnecting from the session - keeping the application open the whole time) |
| 01:33.39 | k31th | i hit ctrl +l and it nailed it tbh |
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| 01:34.53 | dn4 | how come there is nothing under debian menu? |
| 01:35.10 | LtL | phaedral - I find 'dpkg -s packagename' ..gives status, and/or suggestions. |
| 01:36.02 | phaedral | LtL: thanks |
| 01:36.29 | phaedral | nanok scored a direct hit; "recommends dvd+rw-tools" seems like what I needed |
| 01:36.35 | Kelsi | So none of you are exactly sure how to do that? (It might not even be possible, I was just wondering) |
| 01:36.50 | Shadowwulf | same error - debootstrap error -- couldn't download console-data |
| 01:37.20 | cureless | Shadowwulf: what boot image/method did you use? |
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| 01:37.40 | Shadowwulf | to burn the CD ? |
| 01:37.47 | Kelsi | just install k3b |
| 01:37.53 | Shadowwulf | nero - burn iso |
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| 01:38.04 | Kelsi | # apt-get install k3b |
| 01:38.04 | cureless | Shadowwulf: I mean, normal, expert26, linux26, etc. |
| 01:38.12 | Kelsi | there is also a "NeroLINUX" |
| 01:38.13 | Shadowwulf | linux26 |
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| 01:38.21 | Shadowwulf | and have tired expert26 |
| 01:38.26 | nanok | Kelsi: method to boot, man |
| 01:38.39 | Kelsi | oh |
| 01:38.43 | Kelsi | sorry :-/ |
| 01:39.01 | nanok | Kelsi: that is the window managers job, imho |
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| 01:39.24 | pipeline | Kelsi: nerolinux is terrible |
| 01:39.30 | cureless | Shadowwulf: on the different terminals you have log output, what does it say? |
| 01:39.31 | Kelsi | pipeline: I know |
| 01:39.32 | BadMan | anyone by chance know what disc of the 7 disc woody set xfree is on? |
| 01:39.33 | Stevie-O | phaedral: 'aptitude --with-recommends install foo' will install the recommends too |
| 01:39.42 | cureless | Shadowwulf: alt-f2 or f3, can't remember. |
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| 01:40.15 | phaedral | Stevie-O: thanks; been resisitig aptitude; apt-get has been so good to me |
| 01:40.23 | Azar | BadMan: I have the CDs for woody but never used them... you can't apt-get it? |
| 01:40.25 | phaedral | but may have to make the switch |
| 01:40.51 | BadMan | Azar: long story but im in sarge and I want the 3.3.6 debs from woody to play with |
| 01:40.55 | nanok | phaedral: form a certain point on, it is worth it |
| 01:41.16 | cureless | BadMan: did you try to modify the refresh rate of your monitor? |
| 01:41.26 | Shadowwulf | what was the way to see the log ? |
| 01:41.39 | BadMan | cureless: I have tried alot of things I have forgotten everything I have tried 8( |
| 01:41.42 | Azar | Shadowwulf: use cat or less? |
| 01:41.43 | cureless | Shadowwulf: alt-f2 or maybe alt-f3 or f4 |
| 01:41.55 | Shadowwulf | im in ... to view the messages file |
| 01:42.15 | cureless | BadMan: try the refresh rates. Use the X from sarge. |
| 01:42.27 | cureless | Shadowwulf: there should be a log on the screen |
| 01:42.47 | BadMan | ok will need to apt it and what not first |
| 01:42.52 | Kelsi | So would Metacity have a way of making the window smaller? |
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| 01:43.21 | cureless | BadMan: you don't have X in this install yet? |
| 01:43.31 | Shadowwulf | cp: write error: no space left on device |
| 01:43.41 | nvz | I lost my damn plectrum :-/ |
| 01:43.51 | BadMan | no cureless jsut finsished a base install and no "tasksel" options. |
| 01:43.56 | SonnyBurnett | Hi mutan3 |
| 01:43.57 | cureless | Shadowwulf: that's on the log screen right? |
| 01:43.59 | SonnyBurnett | Hi mutant3 |
| 01:44.06 | Shadowwulf | alt-F3 |
| 01:44.11 | cureless | BadMan: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
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| 01:44.21 | Kelsi | Metacity, as in the standard window manager for gnome |
| 01:44.22 | BadMan | yeah its going now |
| 01:44.24 | cureless | Shadowwulf: go to the console now, alt-f2 (hit enter) |
| 01:44.32 | Shadowwulf | k |
| 01:44.35 | Shadowwulf | there |
| 01:44.38 | cureless | Shadowwulf: run df |
| 01:44.55 | nanok | Kelsi: is it? i thaught that was sawfish, iirc |
| 01:45.00 | cureless | Shadowwulf: or df -h, which device has no space? |
| 01:45.11 | Kelsi | nanok When was the last time you used Gnome? |
| 01:45.12 | nvz | aha! |
| 01:45.25 | nanok | Kelsi: long long time ago :) |
| 01:45.36 | Kelsi | nanok: That explains it then :P |
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| 01:46.06 | Shadowwulf | the only 0% avail is the cdrom |
| 01:46.21 | Stevie-O | strace |
| 01:46.35 | Stevie-O | strace -e trace=open,write |
| 01:46.37 | Shadowwulf | umm part4 is 7.3m |
| 01:46.38 | Shadowwulf | mb |
| 01:46.48 | cureless | 7.3mb? |
| 01:47.02 | Stevie-O | is anything at less than 5% avail? |
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| 01:47.13 | Stevie-O | I think 5% is the default space reserved for root |
| 01:47.23 | cureless | he's installing, he's root |
| 01:47.26 | Shadowwulf | "dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part4 7.3M 7.3M 0 100% target |
| 01:47.48 | Stevie-O | eww |
| 01:47.49 | Stevie-O | devfs |
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| 01:47.52 | cureless | Shadowwulf: how have you been partitioning the disk? |
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| 01:48.20 | BadMan | only 20 more packages to go on my pathetic redneck braodband! |
| 01:48.25 | Shadowwulf | thru the part in debian ... but before windows 2000 to set the space sizes |
| 01:48.38 | Shadowwulf | 20 gig for win200 |
| 01:48.44 | Shadowwulf | 1 gig for swap |
| 01:48.46 | cureless | Shadowwulf: but have you been rediong it? |
| 01:48.53 | SonnyBurnett | hi, how can I know what is scanning updatedb when I run it? |
| 01:48.57 | Shadowwulf | during install ? |
| 01:49.05 | cureless | Shadowwulf: yes |
| 01:49.09 | Shadowwulf | yes |
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| 01:49.31 | cureless | Shadowwulf: run fdisk -l /dev/hda |
| 01:49.32 | Shadowwulf | everytime it failed and i started over i did that |
| 01:49.36 | Stevie-O | BadMan: dsl or cable? |
| 01:49.38 | nanok | SonnyBurnett: please rephrase. nobody seems to understand what you mean |
| 01:49.42 | cureless | Shadowwulf: what sizes are your partitions |
| 01:50.14 | BadMan | Stevie-O: dsl.. but Im about 8 miles from switch so I am maxed at about 400k, no cable where I live at, we're lucky to have phone lines 8) |
| 01:50.24 | Shadowwulf | nothing is coming up |
| 01:50.29 | Shadowwulf | goes to # |
| 01:50.35 | cureless | BadMan: you live in Kansas too? |
| 01:50.40 | BadMan | lol |
| 01:50.46 | BadMan | no south esatern IL |
| 01:50.54 | cureless | (I don't, just making a joke) |
| 01:51.05 | BadMan | yeah well it gave me a giggle hehe |
| 01:51.17 | SonnyBurnett | I edited my updatedb.conf file, and added some directories to not to be scanned (prunepaths) with updatedb, but how can I know if updatedb is really not scanning these directories? |
| 01:51.20 | BadMan | 35 of 43 |
| 01:51.25 | cureless | Shadowwulf: ok, try fdisk -l dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0 |
| 01:51.47 | cureless | you might need to start that with / |
| 01:52.14 | Stevie-O | BadMan: does redneck cable/dsl have intimate relationships with its cousin dsl/cable? |
| 01:52.30 | dvs | aahhahhahah |
| 01:52.42 | SonnyBurnett | nanok: did you get it? |
| 01:52.47 | BadMan | I would imagine it does.. but it's not in my blood line so I love it for where I live at |
| 01:52.57 | Shadowwulf | hmmm adding part4 tells me 8 megs |
| 01:53.11 | Shadowwulf | ill have to look at that for a second |
| 01:53.16 | cureless | you might need to redo your partitions |
| 01:53.24 | Shadowwulf | yep |
| 01:53.32 | nanok | SonnyBurnett: yes. you could try to locate something you instructed it not to scan, after it finishes, though that is not exactly what you asked |
| 01:54.03 | stumbles | hi, how do I enter greek characters from the gnome character map into Emacs? |
| 01:54.14 | SonnyBurnett | nanok: yep this is a possibility |
| 01:54.31 | nanok | SonnyBurnett: you could also use various other tricks. for instance check the atime of one of those files after it finishes ;) |
| 01:54.50 | SonnyBurnett | nanok: and can I do something to updatedb scan my hdd automatically, every day? |
| 01:54.55 | nanok | s/files/directories |
| 01:55.09 | nanok | SonnyBurnett: it does, by default, afaik |
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| 01:57.32 | Shadowwulf | well i guess that explains alot then ... 8 meg HD space ... guess isnt enough for debian ... ;) |
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| 01:57.38 | BadMan | woohoo only 3 more packages! |
| 01:57.54 | nanok | SonnyBurnett: actually, it is called from cron, so not exactlly how you said, but close |
| 01:58.00 | BadMan | I rember the first time I installed debian sarge ont his box over dialup! |
| 01:59.13 | SonnyBurnett | nanok: so I cant manage this action? |
| 01:59.37 | amphi | BadMan: you've done it more than once? ;) |
| 01:59.48 | BadMan | different boxes |
| 02:00.04 | BadMan | ween wife and kid of winders etc... |
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| 02:00.33 | BadMan | now I have an old laptop I want to use jsut for mail and internet items.. no games music etc... |
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| 02:00.40 | Shadowwulf | note to self - note to learn the difference between 8 megs and 8 gig |
| 02:00.49 | xhaan | lol |
| 02:00.50 | pipeline | Shadowwulf: One requires PAE? |
| 02:00.59 | BadMan | cureless: ok x is instaleld and ready to configure.. allow it to "auto-detect" or manual? |
| 02:01.16 | Shadowwulf | i musta somehow thought i could install debian on 8 meg |
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| 02:01.17 | Stevie-O | Shadowcat: hahahaha |
| 02:01.22 | curt | gdm have to be realoaded after a new version comes through on d-u? |
| 02:01.24 | nanok | SonnyBurnett: yes, you can. but you shouldnt need to |
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| 02:01.43 | Stevie-O | hahaha |
| 02:01.47 | Stevie-O | how do I add a qotd entry |
| 02:01.51 | xhaan | debain is not trinux :p |
| 02:01.58 | nanok | Shadowwulf: i think you would be hard put to go under 32 megs or so.. |
| 02:01.59 | Stevie-O | debain? |
| 02:02.04 | xhaan | debian |
| 02:02.27 | Stevie-O | Kurt Debain |
| 02:02.32 | xhaan | lol yea |
| 02:03.02 | Shadowwulf | yeah ...i notice this now ... i fixed it so my old age doesnt confuse me anymore ... i marked the partition |
| 02:03.18 | itrebal | is there a way to list the applets that were retreived with apt-get (but not from the initial install) |
| 02:03.27 | itrebal | (it was a net-install) |
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| 02:03.46 | wimp | I need AES/RSA/MAC support for C programs; what debian package should I use? |
| 02:04.04 | BadMan | I asked the other day but what is a "fast and lightweight(unbloated)" window manager? |
| 02:04.22 | xhaan | xfce |
| 02:04.23 | itrebal | BadMan: i love blackbox |
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| 02:04.56 | itrebal | BadMan: there are many, but i think most will agree that blackbox is the least-bloated (while it does lack many features, but i dont use those) |
| 02:05.12 | itrebal | wouldnt* |
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| 02:05.36 | BadMan | what a dilema... |
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| 02:06.15 | Stevie-O | itrebal: use telnet option #257 |
| 02:06.27 | itrebal | Stevie-O: eh? |
| 02:06.28 | BadMan | yeah I will try it... there are jsut so many out there... |
| 02:06.34 | nanok | BadMan: try openbox, fvwm, icewm also. but, again, there are _many_ |
| 02:06.45 | itrebal | theres also fluxbox |
| 02:06.54 | Stevie-O | itrebal: RFC 1097 |
| 02:07.04 | Stevie-O | Read it. Learn it. Live it. |
| 02:07.15 | BadMan | ok a little more backroudn on this laptop: its a p166 64mb ram9128mb swap) and a 1mb video |
| 02:07.25 | Stevie-O | 9128mb swap eh |
| 02:07.32 | Stevie-O | that's a lot of swap, but i'd go for 9256 |
| 02:07.32 | BadMan | er128mb |
| 02:07.36 | nanok | BadMan: xfce is not really a wm, is more like a DE, but it is nice and quite fast |
| 02:07.50 | mush | BadMan: fvwm or ratpoison |
| 02:07.57 | Stevie-O | ratpoison? lol |
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| 02:08.14 | Stevie-O | 'no flashy wank' haha |
| 02:08.15 | BadMan | thats on sarge isn't I'm sure i seen it earlier or yesterday |
| 02:08.21 | nanok | BadMan: mine is a 233mmx, i am using fvwm. works really nice |
| 02:08.37 | BadMan | nanok: thinkpad/ |
| 02:08.40 | BadMan | ? |
| 02:08.49 | nanok | BadMan: but most others do also (icewm, fluxbox, openbox) |
| 02:08.54 | nanok | BadMan: yup |
| 02:09.15 | BadMan | I like the name ratpoison, I think I will get it. |
| 02:09.25 | nanok | BadMan: and, though it does have 160megs of ram, it has no hdd.. (it originaly came with 64 megs) |
| 02:09.32 | Stevie-O | strychnine |
| 02:09.35 | BadMan | If I don't like it I can switch it later... |
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| 02:10.09 | nanok | BadMan: ratpoison/ion are nice, but only if you are "very" keyboard-oriented and emacs lover, imho |
| 02:10.10 | BadMan | nanok: running al ive cd or something on it? |
| 02:10.33 | BadMan | I know squat about emacs .. ok back to the drawing board heheh |
| 02:10.41 | nanok | BadMan: yup, for quite a few moths now. i'm sick of it, hope i'll manage to get a hdd in soon |
| 02:10.41 | mush | BadMan: the kids in #ratpoison are good |
| 02:11.24 | BadMan | nanok: I only have a 2.1GB in this one, thats why I am after a non-bloated window manager |
| 02:11.37 | mush | BadMan: i started when using RP when i was stuck with a p1 200 40 MB ram |
| 02:11.40 | nanok | BadMan: i am not a user of emacs either, but i enjoyed ion2 for quite a while, it is nice. and fast |
| 02:11.45 | ryan` | what do I need to do to set up my system to use maildirs? |
| 02:11.49 | BadMan | I think kde is nice but ther eis jsut to much crap |
| 02:11.57 | wimp | does the default debian mysql NOT suppot ssl? |
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| 02:12.19 | dn4 | where can I get the unstable net install?? |
| 02:12.41 | nanok | BadMan: icewm would probably be the safest bet, especially if you dont want any specific out-of-this-world features |
| 02:12.51 | Shadowcat | dn4: if you're asking, you shouldn't be running it |
| 02:13.44 | nanok | BadMan: openbox to. i really liked it. nice and clean. as is fluxbox (but it was imature at the time i needed to chose a wm) |
| 02:13.44 | BadMan | ok, will give it a round then |
| 02:13.45 | BadMan | ack.. my brain.... |
| 02:14.02 | BadMan | ok ice it is for now... |
| 02:14.05 | dn4 | Shad0wcat, I am asking because I Want to run it, due to the fact most of the stuff I install requires me to go into apt/sources.list and change that ot unstable |
| 02:14.06 | nanok | it got a lot better, it seems, meanwhile (fluxbox that is) |
| 02:14.37 | dn4 | I was wondreing if there was an unstable net install so that I do not have to change apt sources to unstable each time |
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| 02:15.18 | gowlin | suppage. |
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| 02:15.28 | nanok | dn4: is that _all_ you want to change your trusted installer for?! |
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| 02:16.11 | nanok | dn4: you can use a onliner with sed or awk to change that, if you wish |
| 02:16.22 | nanok | s/onliner/oneliner |
| 02:16.35 | Shadowcat | dn4: want doesn't mean you're skilled enough to run it |
| 02:17.08 | wimp | how do I verify pgp signatures? |
| 02:17.12 | BadMan | well another 24mb download for icewm and its suggested and recommended packages, though I am not sure what they are for, will get them anyway |
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| 02:18.01 | nanok | BadMan: hm, that's a lot. is that with x allready installed? |
| 02:18.24 | BadMan | yeah its icewm plyus all the recommended and suggested... |
| 02:18.27 | dn4 | skilled enough to run unstable? |
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| 02:18.38 | dn4 | right now I Am doing hybrid mixing of stable with unstable packages |
| 02:19.10 | pipeline | dn4: Bad, bad, bad idea. |
| 02:19.13 | pipeline | dn4: Upgrade to testing. |
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| 02:19.31 | dn4 | pipeline, is there a testing netinstall? |
| 02:19.35 | nanok | BadMan: oh, ok. but it still sounds like a lot to me.. i wouldnt get all the recommends and suggests.. well, ymmv |
| 02:19.49 | dn4 | I basically want to reinstall debian using unstable, or perhaps this testing |
| 02:19.52 | pipeline | dn4: You should avoid using the testing netinstall, as it uses a testing version fo the installer. |
| 02:20.03 | pipeline | dn4: Install a minimal debian using the stable netinstall, then upgrade. That is the safe path. |
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| 02:20.13 | dn4 | ahh that makes sense |
| 02:20.27 | dn4 | so install a stable base config system, then upgrade to unstable or testing |
| 02:20.35 | wireddd | safe path to testing anyway |
| 02:20.42 | Shadowcat | heh I use the testing installer |
| 02:20.47 | Shadowcat | but I know wtf I'm doing |
| 02:20.58 | Shadowcat | I also ship it with a custom kernel to be able to run reiserfs4 |
| 02:21.23 | curt | ya .. i used it and it said package install failed .. no problems though. |
| 02:21.40 | Stevie-O | !ricerfs |
| 02:21.40 | dpkg | rumour has it, ricerfs is the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for real info. |
| 02:21.45 | Stevie-O | :D |
| 02:21.46 | nanok | BadMan: Suggests: icewm-gnome-support |
| 02:21.54 | nanok | BadMan: come on.. :) |
| 02:22.03 | Shadowcat | !beat Stevie-O |
| 02:22.08 | Shadowcat | let's NOT start this war again |
| 02:22.13 | curt | no doubt |
| 02:22.15 | BadMan | nanok: got it gnome suppot that is |
| 02:22.26 | Stevie-O | but seriously, what is it about reiser that makes it so prone to crashing? |
| 02:22.28 | nanok | BadMan: well, do you need that? |
| 02:22.48 | nanok | Stevie-O: it seems to be designed to |
| 02:22.49 | nanok | :P |
| 02:22.51 | BadMan | nanok: don't know yet, may want some gnome apps |
| 02:23.10 | pipeline | Shadowcat: You're the only Reiser supporter who can type. You hate being outnumbered. |
| 02:23.25 | nanok | BadMan: i dont think that is relevant. i think that package is for much more than that |
| 02:23.36 | BadMan | ok |
| 02:23.40 | Stevie-O | pipeline: haha |
| 02:23.44 | Shad0wcat | pipeline: so what are you counting the reiserfs devs as? |
| 02:23.48 | Stevie-O | !start a filesystem war |
| 02:23.48 | dpkg | Who needs a file system? Use orthogonal persistency! |
| 02:23.54 | Stevie-O | orthowhat |
| 02:24.03 | nanok | Stevie-O: precisely |
| 02:24.05 | asg | !dict orthogonal |
| 02:24.08 | dpkg | Dictionary 'orthogonal' (4 of 11): [Jargon File] ;; Orthogonal \Or*thog"o*nal\, a. [Cf. F. orthogonal.] Right-angled; rectangular; as, an orthogonal intersection of one curve with another. ;; 150 1 definitions retrieved 151 "orthogonal" foldoc "The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (27 SEP 03)" orthogonal ;; <geometry> At 90 degrees (right angles).. |
| 02:24.13 | Stevie-O | orthogonal == perpendicular |
| 02:24.29 | Stevie-O | so i'm not sure what 'orthogonal persistency' would mean' |
| 02:24.37 | nanok | Stevie-O: not really == |
| 02:25.06 | spoopin | orthogonal == a word that seems to pop up frequently in coding texts |
| 02:25.18 | BadMan | nanok: I said "I don't know what theya re for" but I got them anyway... i can remove them |
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| 02:25.53 | Stevie-O | well, I still don't know what 'orthogonal persistency' means |
| 02:25.57 | nanok | BadMan: i know. but that is usually the wrong way to go about it. see the "slow start" concept ;) |
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| 02:26.02 | asg | spoopin: unlike 'octagonal' which pops up in Chuck Norris movies |
| 02:26.03 | nanok | BadMan: just my two cents |
| 02:26.15 | BadMan | yeah .. |
| 02:26.17 | haldrik | ayuda en español |
| 02:26.23 | asg | !es |
| 02:26.23 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 02:26.25 | asg | haldrik: ^^ |
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| 02:26.58 | spoopin | asg: hmmm. Which Chuck Norris movies would those be? |
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| 02:27.24 | asg | spoopin: well, The Octagon at least |
| 02:27.26 | nanok | spoopin: the ones where he kicks everybodyes ass and doesnt act |
| 02:27.30 | nanok | aka all of them |
| 02:27.36 | kreg_work | i don't understand the -p tag for useradd. says "as returned by crypt" |
| 02:27.36 | nanok | :P |
| 02:27.46 | kreg_work | i just want to put in a passwd right there on the command line |
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| 02:28.05 | js_ | kreg_work: you supply it with an encrypted password |
| 02:28.18 | kreg_work | how? |
| 02:28.28 | spoopin | asg: someone on COH just made a Tunak joke |
| 02:28.49 | asg | haha |
| 02:28.59 | spoopin | nanok: well, can't argue with that... |
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| 02:29.21 | spoopin | asg: never seen 'The Octagon' - is it worth the effort? |
| 02:29.27 | asg | spoopin: no |
| 02:29.32 | Stevie-O | kreg: man 3 crypt |
| 02:30.03 | asg | spoopin: if you have to hunt for bad films from Showtime in the 80s, I'd hunt for 'Angel of Heat' (puts Picasso Trigger et. al. to shame) |
| 02:30.18 | nanok | spoopin: someone once said "all bruce willis movies are the same: "hey. i'm bruce willis. how many of you are there"" |
| 02:30.26 | Stevie-O | hahaha |
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| 02:30.41 | nanok | i liked that a lot, that kind of sums it up |
| 02:31.00 | abrotman | asg: Def Con 4 ! |
| 02:31.30 | asg | abrotman: veiled Wargames reference |
| 02:31.43 | spoopin | abrotman: how've you been? |
| 02:32.07 | abrotman | spoopin: do you know how much of asg's crap i've been putting up with? |
| 02:32.07 | mush | asg: "goddamit i'd piss on a spark plug if i thought it would do any good" |
| 02:32.27 | asg | mush: :) |
| 02:32.32 | Stevie-O | nanok: well, my brother says that Die Hard 2 only existed because the original Die Hard made a lot of money |
| 02:32.56 | spoopin | abrotman: probably not as much as I have ;) |
| 02:33.05 | asg | spoopin: he's just pissed because I didn't put out |
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| 02:33.16 | deadcat | Stevie-O: thats what sequal means. |
| 02:33.16 | spoopin | asg: heh. |
| 02:33.17 | eeman | hi i have some problems installing xwindows |
| 02:33.26 | eeman | "xwindow" |
| 02:33.31 | eeman | my apologies |
| 02:33.31 | abrotman | spoopin: you wanted to work there! |
| 02:33.35 | asg | eeman: /msg dpkg set up x (if that doesn't help, come back) |
| 02:33.41 | nanok | eeman: tough luck |
| 02:33.43 | eeman | tryed it |
| 02:33.43 | nanok | :P |
| 02:33.49 | eeman | every time |
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| 02:33.52 | abrotman | eeman: errors? logs? descriptions? |
| 02:33.53 | asg | eeman: okay, then what problems are you having? |
| 02:33.59 | eeman | it says all sorts of dependencies |
| 02:34.06 | eeman | ive installed lots of modules |
| 02:34.10 | eeman | by scanning the dvds |
| 02:34.11 | nanok | eeman: state the issue |
| 02:34.11 | spoopin | abrotman: Yep. I'm not really complaining... just being a prick for sport :) |
| 02:34.12 | deadcat | eeman: what branch of debian you using? |
| 02:34.19 | eeman | i386 |
| 02:34.27 | asg | spoopin: anyone for tennis? |
| 02:34.29 | deadcat | eeman: stable/testing/unstable ? |
| 02:34.34 | abrotman | asg: wouldn't that be nice |
| 02:34.35 | eeman | stable |
| 02:34.45 | asg | abrotman: pricks or tennis? |
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| 02:34.53 | deadcat | eeman: you have x-window-system installed right? |
| 02:35.01 | eeman | ya |
| 02:35.03 | abrotman | asg: Cream |
| 02:35.04 | eeman | i did the apt-get |
| 02:35.08 | eeman | install |
| 02:35.10 | deadcat | eeman: you trying to get xorg or something? |
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| 02:35.14 | eeman | x-window-system |
| 02:35.23 | eeman | what else does xwindow need to run? |
| 02:35.27 | abrotman | spoopin: better than working at ruby tuesday's serving that saucy brit his beer eh? :) |
| 02:35.30 | eeman | isnt it all in the module? |
| 02:35.33 | nanok | eeman: _what_ is the rpoblem. i still dont get it |
| 02:35.34 | asg | abrotman: o/~ in a white room, with black curtains, by the station o/~ |
| 02:35.43 | abrotman | asg: anyone for tennis? |
| 02:35.46 | eeman | when i do the apt-get install x..... |
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| 02:35.56 | spoopin | asg: 'I say, Lionel. Catch!' |
| 02:36.00 | eeman | it comes up with like "dependency" errors |
| 02:36.04 | deadcat | !tell eeman about enter |
| 02:36.12 | asg | abrotman: I was thinking daffy duck with the tennis reference |
| 02:36.13 | spoopin | abrotman: Nah. They love him there. |
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| 02:36.28 | deadcat | eeman: if you use stable. you SHOULDNT get any problem. that means you're either not using debian or you've fucked with your sources.list |
| 02:36.32 | nanok | eeman: see /topic, about paste |
| 02:36.47 | spoopin | asg: Missed that one. Thought we were going for 'Salad Days' from the old Flying Circus episodes ;) |
| 02:36.48 | asg | abrotman: they have even better looking fair at Ruby's |
| 02:36.53 | asg | s/fair/fare/ |
| 02:37.01 | asg | spoopin: ah, heh |
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| 02:37.17 | abrotman | asg: the waitresses? |
| 02:37.43 | asg | abrotman: yes and the minxy bartender. |
| 02:37.45 | spoopin | abrotman: the waitresses, indeed |
| 02:37.45 | eeman | um no i havent fuxored with anything. |
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| 02:37.57 | abrotman | asg: but no camera like jacks? |
| 02:38.00 | spoopin | asg: the one there today is my favorite |
| 02:38.02 | asg | abrotman: sadly, no |
| 02:38.14 | asg | spoopin: yeah |
| 02:38.15 | eeman | it just ends up saying: |
| 02:38.18 | abrotman | asg: take the camera! |
| 02:38.20 | deadcat | eeman: on a Debian Stable x86 install. there is NO problem with installing x-window-system |
| 02:38.27 | deejoe_ | eeman: is it a new, clean install, an upgrade from an older version . . . ? |
| 02:38.32 | spoopin | asg: I miss the ones at Jack's |
| 02:38.38 | eeman | dependency: prgm |
| 02:38.42 | asg | spoopin: Amber? So does abrotman |
| 02:38.49 | eeman | new install |
| 02:38.51 | Supaplex | but on a Debian Stable x86 install. there are plenty of PEBKAC issues |
| 02:38.53 | eeman | never upgraded from oth |
| 02:38.55 | abrotman | i miss lots of things |
| 02:38.57 | spoopin | asg: she's a severe hottie |
| 02:38.57 | eeman | er. |
| 02:39.00 | deadcat | eeman: can you complete your question? |
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| 02:39.22 | eeman | sry, i never installed before, first time. |
| 02:39.23 | nanok | Supaplex: yeah, i wonder when tehy are going to fix those. it is a shame! |
| 02:39.24 | nanok | :P |
| 02:39.28 | deadcat | eeman: forget it. i am not gonna bother to help you. just keep asking in the channel. maybe someone will |
| 02:39.33 | Supaplex | !pal eeman |
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| 02:39.44 | deejoe_ | eeman does apt-get update run to completion? |
| 02:39.49 | eeman | no |
| 02:39.51 | eeman | tryed it |
| 02:39.58 | eeman | it comes up with dependency errors |
| 02:40.01 | deejoe_ | well, there's your problem. |
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| 02:40.11 | eeman | i tried installing other packages. |
| 02:40.15 | nanok | eeman: apt-get update comes up w depend errors? |
| 02:40.16 | eeman | it didnt work. |
| 02:40.19 | eeman | YA |
| 02:40.21 | deejoe_ | not upgrade, update |
| 02:40.56 | nanok | eeman: see /topic, the thing about pasting. paste the output from apt-get update |
| 02:40.58 | curt | eeman, tasksel install desktop |
| 02:41.10 | deejoe_ | eeman, listen to nanok |
| 02:41.23 | eeman | ok |
| 02:41.35 | eeman | where is see /topic supposed to lead to |
| 02:41.40 | eeman | or from |
| 02:41.42 | eeman | . |
| 02:41.48 | eeman | . |
| 02:42.01 | abrotman | !guidelines |
| 02:42.01 | dpkg | 1) Read the /topic, the FAQ, and google before asking us. 2) Don't ask to ask. Just ask. 3) Don't repeat; show that you have tried to help yourself by refining the question. 4) Reading docs (man/info pages, READMEs) is a worthwhile skill. Practice it. 5) Use /msg to talk to the bots (not the people). See <msg>. 6) Be polite and patient. 7) Paste on #flood or <paster>, not here. 8) No trolls or spam. |
| 02:42.12 | nanok | eeman: we are trying to help you. are you trying to piss us off? |
| 02:42.26 | nanok | just to see where we'r standing, you know.. |
| 02:42.40 | eeman | no, im asking where see /topic is |
| 02:42.50 | deejoe_ | just type it: |
| 02:42.52 | eeman | im not sure what your exactly talking about |
| 02:42.53 | deejoe_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:42.58 | eeman | see /topic |
| 02:42.58 | nanok | eeman: just type /topic |
| 02:43.00 | TANATHOS | lex.yy.c:867:25: macro "yywrap" passed 1 arguments, but takes just 0 |
| 02:43.00 | TANATHOS | lex.yy.c:1875: warning: `yyunput' defined but not used |
| 02:43.00 | TANATHOS | make: *** [lex.yy.o] Error 1 |
| 02:43.05 | TANATHOS | what is this? |
| 02:43.09 | abrotman | it's an error |
| 02:43.14 | deejoe_ | eeman: with nothing in front of it |
| 02:43.21 | nanok | TANATHOS: you tell us.. |
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| 02:43.32 | eeman | not doing anything |
| 02:43.39 | eeman | just dissapears |
| 02:43.46 | eeman | every time i enter it |
| 02:43.50 | TANATHOS | nanok : i am trying to compile smth this the answer can anyone help? |
| 02:44.02 | asg | TANATHOS: #c |
| 02:44.03 | abrotman | what are you trying to compile? |
| 02:44.12 | nanok | eeman: NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster |
| 02:44.19 | eeman | pasting /topic |
| 02:44.34 | eeman | what? |
| 02:44.41 | eeman | im not familiar with irc |
| 02:44.42 | TANATHOS | abrotman HTb tools |
| 02:44.47 | eeman | i dont use it that much |
| 02:44.48 | nanok | eeman: /j #flood |
| 02:44.54 | eeman | enter it? |
| 02:45.00 | deejoe_ | eeman: well, it looks like you've got nested problems, then. |
| 02:45.03 | Kelsi | why do people get upset over floods |
| 02:45.07 | abrotman | it's rude |
| 02:45.14 | BadMan | can you have multiple window managers installed? or is it 1 at a time deal? |
| 02:45.20 | nanok | deejoe_: that would be an understatement |
| 02:45.21 | eeman | WHAT IS A FLOOD???? |
| 02:45.21 | abrotman | BadMan: as many as you want |
| 02:45.23 | Kelsi | as networks with 30k+ users only use 900 GB of b/w a month |
| 02:45.25 | abrotman | !flood |
| 02:45.25 | dpkg | It's considered impolite to paste many lines of text on IRC. Please don't do it. Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. If you want to paste, use #flood or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 02:45.28 | Kelsi | because its just TEXT |
| 02:45.29 | asg | BadMan: you can have as many as you wish |
| 02:45.33 | nanok | BadMan: you can have as meny as you like |
| 02:46.00 | asg | Kelsi: when you are actively involved in several conversations, floods cause way too much noise. |
| 02:46.07 | deejoe_ | Kelsi: because they do. That ought to be enough. But mostly because it makes an already busy channel even more of a challenge to keep track of, requiring more scrollback. |
| 02:46.12 | Kelsi | I frequently flood channels with 25 lines+ and no one cares... |
| 02:46.15 | asg | Kelsi: they are the equivalent of morons on cell phones in bars |
| 02:46.20 | eeman | lol |
| 02:46.21 | eeman | . |
| 02:46.22 | abrotman | Kelsi: a channel with how many people ? |
| 02:46.23 | Ronin | Kelsi: they do however here :) |
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| 02:46.36 | aidan | disabling mailcheck in the pam.conf didn't get rid of the onlogin mail check, any other suggestions? |
| 02:46.48 | nanok | Kelsi: well, dont do it here. |
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| 02:47.01 | eeman | nanok: how do i copy and paste the output in debian could you give me a brief explanation please? |
| 02:47.01 | abrotman | nah .. let him .. he'll just get kicked |
| 02:47.14 | asg | nanok: the first time he does it here, he will be kicked. The second time, he will be banned. |
| 02:47.36 | deejoe_ | eeman: join the #flood channel. Use whatever you did to join #debian, only do it for #flood. Then paste there. |
| 02:47.46 | abrotman | asg: haha .. yeah right |
| 02:47.52 | nanok | eeman: you select and middle click. middle click will paste, do it in #flood or pastebin or similar, _not_ here |
| 02:48.06 | curt | you people look a lot different tonight! finally got my 21" viewsonic back, that 17" crt was killin my eyes. |
| 02:48.07 | asg | abrotman: well, would be once upon a time |
| 02:48.11 | eeman | how do i select it |
| 02:48.16 | eeman | it doesnt detect mouse |
| 02:48.22 | eeman | i dont think at lease |
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| 02:48.28 | deadcat | eeman: stop pressing the fucking enter key |
| 02:48.30 | abrotman | eeman: what is your irc client? |
| 02:48.36 | eeman | mIRC |
| 02:48.36 | deejoe_ | haha, eeman. I don't know if this is the time to teach you about GNU screen. |
| 02:48.37 | asg | curt: so asg looks like ASG? |
| 02:48.38 | aidan | Haha deadcat :) |
| 02:48.47 | abrotman | eeman: so you're not irc'ing from the debian box? |
| 02:48.51 | Supaplex | !mirc |
| 02:48.51 | dpkg | it has been said that mirc is http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/mirc/exploit.html, or sucking dog balls |
| 02:48.58 | curt | asg, no .. even better! |
| 02:49.15 | curt | poor eeman |
| 02:49.15 | eeman | how do i irc from the debian bx |
| 02:49.25 | Supaplex | !mirc =~ s/sucking/sucks festering/ |
| 02:49.25 | dpkg | OK, Supaplex |
| 02:49.25 | BadMan | cureless: still around? |
| 02:49.33 | jetscreamer | !my joystick won't work in quake 4 !!! |
| 02:49.38 | nanok | eeman: if you cant install anything, that would be a problem.. |
| 02:49.40 | abrotman | !irritate jetscreamer |
| 02:49.40 | dpkg | jetscreamer: HELP ME!!! who uses kde thx |
| 02:49.46 | eeman | brb |
| 02:49.50 | Supaplex | !confuse jetscreamer |
| 02:49.51 | dpkg | Yes, what are my hamster today, jetscreamer? breeches of the monarchy of swaziland with extra cream |
| 02:49.59 | asg | jetscreamer: it won't work in nethack either |
| 02:50.04 | xhaan | my hamster ate my shirt |
| 02:50.11 | spoopin | asg: eep. ces6 |
| 02:50.12 | phaedral | asg: lol |
| 02:50.28 | asg | spoopin: not a problem, M is patching tonight |
| 02:50.29 | Supaplex | xhaan: that's what you get for sleeping with a hamster |
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| 02:50.30 | spoopin | asg: cool. |
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| 02:50.58 | xhaan | yeah i guess thats true :p |
| 02:51.05 | BadMan | so if i have multiple wm's when I startx does it give me a list of them or do I have to specify itsomehow? |
| 02:51.16 | thingfish | I think that some places, they eat hamsters. |
| 02:51.23 | nanok | BadMan: you can specify or use a login manager |
| 02:51.24 | abrotman | !tell badman about xinitrc |
| 02:51.24 | nvz | BadMan: you have to specify |
| 02:51.26 | thingfish | hamster-on-a-stick |
| 02:51.34 | Supaplex | mmmmm |
| 02:51.38 | Supaplex | my FAVORITE |
| 02:51.40 | abrotman | thingfish: are they shaven ? |
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| 02:51.42 | Supaplex | *cough* |
| 02:51.44 | BadMan | thx abrotman |
| 02:51.45 | asg | BadMan: you have to specify them in ~/.xsession if you use startx. If you use xdm or another *dm, a menu may present itself. |
| 02:51.52 | thingfish | abrotman: yes, then batter-dipped and deep fried. |
| 02:52.03 | abrotman | thingfish: sounds like a soft shell crab sandwich :) |
| 02:52.12 | thingfish | hehe yeah it does, kind of. |
| 02:52.15 | Supaplex | I'll take the (bone|hair|skin)less kind thanks. |
| 02:52.20 | nanok | BadMan: you can also use startx /path/to/wm-binary-or-other-application |
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| 02:52.29 | deejoe_ | eeman: you might be able to fix your apt-get update problem by running base-config and choosing the "Configure apt" option. |
| 02:52.34 | ``Respect | Hello, I am trying to install Wolfenstein: ET on my dedicated server, it has debian sarge 3.0 on it. I have shell, i get a error when i trying running the file. Could someone please help me? |
| 02:52.43 | nanok | eeman: or apt-setup |
| 02:52.44 | ``Respect | the .run |
| 02:52.44 | Supaplex | echo `which false` > ~/.xsession |
| 02:52.48 | Supaplex | :P |
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| 02:52.51 | Supaplex | best wm ever |
| 02:53.01 | asg | Supaplex: hah |
| 02:53.08 | nvz | o.O |
| 02:53.21 | ``Respect | ? |
| 02:53.25 | asg | Supaplex: backticks are deprecated |
| 02:53.35 | abrotman | errors are helpful |
| 02:53.40 | ``Respect | okay, |
| 02:53.42 | Supaplex | ouuu an error |
| 02:53.46 | aidan | oh, how do you do it now, asg? |
| 02:53.49 | nanok | asg: maybe, but they do the job ;) |
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| 02:54.00 | asg | aidan: $(foo) |
| 02:54.01 | phogg | asg: backticks are deprecated in bash? Since when? |
| 02:54.07 | abrotman | phogg: a while ago |
| 02:54.10 | aidan | interesting |
| 02:54.14 | phogg | hmm |
| 02:54.24 | ``Respect | sh ./et-linux-2.60.x86.run Verifying archive integrity... All good. Uncompressing Enemy Territory 2.60 Full Install..../root/.setup18307: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Standard input is not a terminal! |
| 02:54.26 | asg | phogg: since $(foo). They are still more portable for older shells though. |
| 02:54.26 | thingfish | phogg: backticks are non-free now. |
| 02:54.26 | abrotman | phogg: still work .. but going away "whenever" |
| 02:54.32 | phogg | aidan: they're better for nested subshells anyway |
| 02:54.35 | abrotman | !tell ``Respect about search |
| 02:54.40 | deejoe_ | nanok: are you in heaven? they say in heaven, there is no beer . . . |
| 02:54.52 | asg | deejoe_: then I'm not going |
| 02:55.04 | thingfish | well surely they'll have wine at least. |
| 02:55.04 | deejoe_ | that's why we drink it here, asg |
| 02:55.17 | deejoe_ | no whining in heaven |
| 02:55.23 | bucky | ``Respect: do you have libgtk1.2 installed? |
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| 02:55.26 | nanok | deejoe_: than heaven sucks balz |
| 02:55.28 | thingfish | I mean, jesus drank wine on earth, surely he'll want to keep some on hand. |
| 02:55.38 | BadMan | ``Respect: do you have the libgtk installed? and a java vm? |
| 02:56.04 | Cyorxamp | thanx deejoe_ |
| 02:56.13 | sandman | I've been reading about Islam a lot lately, and this stuff is incredible. |
| 02:56.15 | ``Respect | BadMan: i am not sure, my friend asked for help and i have been trying |
| 02:56.15 | Cyorxamp | Are 'colours' on IRC the result of mIRC? |
| 02:56.20 | sandman | That's what I can say about religion. |
| 02:56.24 | nanok | asg: ok, $() is all nice and stuff, why would i type all that though, if all i want is `` ;) |
| 02:56.36 | nanok | asg: i.e. "deprecated" is an overstatement |
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| 02:56.55 | Supaplex | `` is eaiser to type |
| 02:56.56 | BadMan | bah what the heck... why when I boot does this thing not launch the xserver.. nast y annoying little p.o.s...... |
| 02:57.06 | asg | nanok: one day `` will result in 'error: the world has moved on and you need to as well' |
| 02:57.13 | Supaplex | BadMan: what a shame! fire the admin! |
| 02:57.23 | BadMan | Supaplex: no crap 8-) |
| 02:57.26 | nanok | asg: ok, call me old fashioned |
| 02:57.35 | bucky | BadMan: install xdm or gdm or kdm |
| 02:57.41 | Supaplex | you old fart |
| 02:57.45 | deejoe_ | `` doesn't copy and paste well |
| 02:57.47 | asg | nanok: I prefer backticks personally |
| 02:57.51 | deejoe_ | for one thing |
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| 02:58.15 | phogg | deejoe_: it's more obfuscated, though, which makes it Better |
| 02:58.24 | nanok | deejoe_: i agree (actually, it doesnt _read_ as well) |
| 02:58.30 | BadMan | crap still have about a 1" square around my dang screen! |
| 02:58.47 | bucky | BadMan: overdrive your monitor harder |
| 02:58.47 | thingfish | I heard it was because folks were mistaking it for a single quote mark. |
| 02:59.07 | thingfish | but that could just be urban legend. |
| 02:59.19 | Supaplex | next they'll mistake '' |
| 02:59.21 | asg | thingfish: it does get ambiguous especially when people import code into *gulp* word processors |
| 02:59.31 | nanok | thingfish: yes, it is confusing, unless you allready know what it is about and you _assume_ it has to be a backtick |
| 02:59.34 | BadMan | bucky: laff that is only at 640x480 8( |
| 02:59.40 | asg | Supaplex: or `' |
| 02:59.54 | Supaplex | processor? you call that a processor? I call it a waste treatment digestor! |
| 02:59.57 | bucky | BadMan: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 03:00.13 | BadMan | bucky: been doing that all day... |
| 03:00.18 | asg | Supaplex: shit goes in, shit goes out |
| 03:00.22 | nanok | BadMan: that is the issue. your lcd has a native size of 800x600 or maybe 1024x768 |
| 03:00.28 | nanok | BadMan: (mine is the latter) |
| 03:00.39 | BadMan | nanok: native size of 800x600 |
| 03:00.43 | Supaplex | asg: I wonder what framework it is. ;) |
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| 03:01.18 | EdibleText | hello |
| 03:01.37 | nanok | BadMan: than you need 800x600. mine will do the same if i change the res unless using x (that is, the apropriate driver , i guess) |
| 03:01.41 | EdibleText | ahh Supaplex been a long time mate, thx ;) |
| 03:01.52 | asg | Supaplex: probably not a good one |
| 03:02.00 | nanok | BadMan: does the problem occur in x or text mode? |
| 03:02.02 | BadMan | the only modeline I select is 800x600 |
| 03:02.02 | phogg | echo 'foo`ls` "/bin"'"`echo foo`'" # Fun with ambiguity |
| 03:02.05 | eeman | nanok, im back |
| 03:02.11 | eeman | nanok, im back |
| 03:02.12 | BadMan | nanok: only in x |
| 03:02.41 | nanok | eeman: ok, you'r back |
| 03:02.49 | EdibleText | what is the prefered methed of creating an iso.. not the `dd if=/blah of=/blah' |
| 03:02.49 | asg | phogg: stabbing oneself in the head with a fork is also fun |
| 03:02.51 | nanok | "ack" |
| 03:02.54 | eeman | sorry, i had to eat dinner |
| 03:02.58 | Supaplex | l=$(find ~/ -type f -print0 | xargs -0 shred) |
| 03:03.03 | phogg | asg: I only do that on weekends |
| 03:03.04 | Supaplex | I wonder what that does. ;) |
| 03:03.05 | eeman | anyways |
| 03:03.12 | asg | phogg: ah, good thing |
| 03:03.15 | nanok | EdibleText: mkisofs |
| 03:03.16 | asg | Supaplex: bad things |
| 03:03.33 | Supaplex | very :P |
| 03:03.37 | eeman | it comes up with a list of dependecys after i try apt-get install x-window-system |
| 03:03.59 | eeman | how do i install all of those packages that it has a "dependency" for |
| 03:04.02 | EdibleText | nanok, nah I have a cd. i need to create an iso.... or are you suggesting mounting it sucking the data off then mkisofs on it |
| 03:04.07 | nanok | eeman: ok, i thaught we agreed you should first do apt-get update |
| 03:04.13 | eeman | i did |
| 03:04.15 | eeman | wait |
| 03:04.20 | eeman | o i forgot to ask |
| 03:04.23 | asg | Supaplex: fortunately, the latency of shred would probably cause someone to hit ^C before to much damage was caused. |
| 03:04.25 | Supaplex | we're non blocking, we don't wait |
| 03:04.25 | nanok | EdibleText: than dd would be the usual way |
| 03:04.29 | curt | !enter |
| 03:04.30 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 03:04.33 | eeman | how do i join an irc channel through debian? |
| 03:04.49 | Supaplex | since when was it debian specific? |
| 03:04.50 | asg | eeman: /j #foo (from most non-stupid irc clients) |
| 03:04.57 | nanok | eeman: /j #flood |
| 03:05.00 | asg | !qotd |
| 03:05.00 | dpkg | Quote of the Day. Ask me <qotd0> to get a random one, or <literal qotd0> to see which numbers are used already, or <literal qotdx> to see which numbers have been voted "replaceable". |
| 03:05.05 | asg | !qotd0 |
| 03:05.05 | dpkg | <veleno> Guerin: i don't know what a moron is. |
| 03:05.11 | nanok | asg: that might not aply, hes using mirc |
| 03:05.13 | nanok | :P |
| 03:05.13 | asg | apropos(1) |
| 03:05.14 | eeman | ill be back in about a minute |
| 03:05.23 | nanok | s/hes/he's |
| 03:05.32 | Supaplex | I hope eeman washes his hands |
| 03:06.02 | Stevie-O | lol |
| 03:06.09 | curt | i'm gonna break his left pinky |
| 03:06.20 | Stevie-O | how do you add a quote to dpkg? |
| 03:06.25 | BadMan | bah need to hunt down my hsync and vsync again! |
| 03:06.26 | Stevie-O | There was a great one earlier today |
| 03:06.34 | Stevie-O | read-edid |
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| 03:06.47 | Supaplex | yea what Stevie-OoOoOooooOOOOoOoo said |
| 03:07.15 | EdibleText | BadMan, you havnt got a floppy label with the specs on the side of your monitor! |
| 03:07.16 | nanok | BadMan: you shouldnt need to |
| 03:07.23 | EdibleText | truly a BadMan |
| 03:07.25 | Supaplex | I can just tell we're all ready for a weekend |
| 03:07.35 | asg | Stevie-O: /msg dpkg qotd ; once you've found the next available number, /msg dpkg qotd## is <reply>[quote] |
| 03:07.40 | nanok | EdibleText: laptop, lcd |
| 03:07.48 | Stevie-O | so qotd160 ? |
| 03:07.57 | asg | !qotd160 |
| 03:07.57 | dpkg | qotd160 is probably <mhall> sanmarcos: i'm beginning to wonder about the size of the clue-free zone in which you live <sanmarcos> mhall: huh? <sanmarcos> clue-free ? <sanmarcos> i.e "have no clue" |
| 03:07.58 | EdibleText | nanok, oh.. then he shouldnt need it ;) |
| 03:08.01 | asg | Stevie-O: nope |
| 03:08.24 | Stevie-O | but |
| 03:08.27 | nanok | xhaan: usually |
| 03:08.37 | Stevie-O | !literal qotd0 |
| 03:08.37 | dpkg | "#debian qotd0" is "<reply> see qotd(|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|10|11|12|13|14|15)(0|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9)" |
| 03:08.44 | Stevie-O | doesn't that only go up to 159 ? |
| 03:09.05 | xhaan | 160 |
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| 03:09.22 | xhaan | err no 159 lol |
| 03:09.25 | abrotman | asg: that doesn't work anymore |
| 03:09.28 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 03:09.28 | dpkg | from memory, qotd134 is -!- tech9iner has left #debian ["FedoraCore and CentOS.. HOW CAN A POOR SMB SOHO LOSE with this winning combo! ;];]"] |
| 03:09.35 | asg | abrotman: what doesn't? |
| 03:09.49 | abrotman | :qotd161 |
| 03:09.51 | asg | Stevie-O: the 'qotd0' factoid doesn't represent reality |
| 03:09.53 | abrotman | !qotd161 |
| 03:09.53 | dpkg | qotd161 is probably * asg sings the 'My Little Pony' song |
| 03:09.59 | asg | whoohoo |
| 03:10.10 | xhaan | heh |
| 03:10.11 | Supaplex | heh |
| 03:10.12 | EdibleText | ah great |
| 03:10.16 | abrotman | !qotd0 =~ s/15/15|16/ |
| 03:10.17 | dpkg | abrotman: OK |
| 03:10.19 | EdibleText | now i got that in my head |
| 03:10.27 | EdibleText | along with 'my buddy' |
| 03:10.30 | xhaan | you actually know it? :p |
| 03:10.38 | asg | EdibleText: or 'kid sister' |
| 03:11.08 | EdibleText | too. much. |
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| 03:11.20 | Stevie-O | I saw an ad the other day for My Little Pony |
| 03:11.35 | Stevie-O | it sang "My little pony, my so-soft pony" |
| 03:11.41 | asg | Supaplex: drink a glass of milk |
| 03:11.42 | Stevie-O | and I thought it said "Microsoft Pony" |
| 03:11.44 | EdibleText | thats your innerchild dying |
| 03:11.44 | thingfish | haha I know that guy! |
| 03:11.51 | Supaplex | we all know what Stevie-O wants |
| 03:11.56 | Stevie-O | and Im like "WTF Gates is getting on everything these days" |
| 03:12.12 | thingfish | the guy from the qotd, that is. |
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| 03:12.38 | Stevie-O | One I'd like to say |
| 03:12.46 | Stevie-O | B. Gates vs. H. Hogan |
| 03:13.08 | Stevie-O | !qotd163 |
| 03:13.08 | dpkg | [qotd163] <Shadowwulf> note to self - note to learn the difference between 8 megs and 8 gig <Shadowwulf> i musta somehow thought i could install debian on 8 meg |
| 03:13.20 | Stevie-O | there we go |
| 03:13.22 | xhaan | heh |
| 03:13.24 | asg | once upon a time, you could |
| 03:13.43 | xhaan | really? |
| 03:13.46 | abrotman | asg: not 8MB of ram .. he means HDD space |
| 03:13.49 | nanok | asg: you couldnt do much else, though.. :) |
| 03:14.01 | asg | abrotman: I know, I installed slackware on a 10M drive in '96 or so |
| 03:14.05 | EdibleText | yeah 6 years ago |
| 03:14.17 | Stevie-O | asg: wtf |
| 03:14.24 | Stevie-O | what exactly did you have installed |
| 03:14.26 | abrotman | asg: the first computer i had .. had a 540MB .. at least the first that was really mine |
| 03:14.38 | Stevie-O | the kernel, /bin/sh (for init) and swap? |
| 03:14.39 | abrotman | asg: first family computer .. two LD 5.25" drives :) |
| 03:14.43 | BadMan | well trident driver in sarges xfree86 4.X at least gets me a viewable desktop where vesa at same 800x600 @ 16bpp jsut givesme a black screen with dark blue "cursor" blocks all round it |
| 03:14.57 | thingfish | mine was an apple II with 5MB ram and 80MB hard disk. |
| 03:14.58 | asg | Stevie-O: a minimal system but enough. |
| 03:15.22 | asg | Stevie-O: my first computer was an Atari 800 with 48K of memory and a tape drove for storage. |
| 03:15.23 | Stevie-O | no utf-8 though |
| 03:15.24 | abrotman | thingfish: you lucky bastard .. all i had was a BASIC card .. and a plotter card :) |
| 03:15.33 | asg | !cload Stevie-O |
| 03:15.39 | thingfish | abrotman: you probably had one way before I did, though. |
| 03:15.47 | xhaan | apple 2s had hard disks? :p0 |
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| 03:15.53 | abrotman | thingfish: apple //e |
| 03:15.55 | EdibleText | my first was amiga500 with a floppy. then i upgraded to a2000 with a 10Mb harddrive! |
| 03:15.58 | xhaan | mine only had a floppy drive |
| 03:16.33 | asg | abrotman: 'family computer' has such a nice Microsoft Bob(tm) ring to it |
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| 03:16.45 | nanok | mine was a paper and a pencil. come on, cut it out.. |
| 03:16.52 | xhaan | lol |
| 03:17.11 | asg | nanok: oooooh, stencils. Rock! \m/ |
| 03:17.11 | Stevie-O | nanok: punched holes in the paper? |
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| 03:17.32 | EdibleText | i remember all my rich relitives had 'family computers' that i wasnt allowed near.. now they ask me to fix there XP home boxes.. good luck with that |
| 03:17.41 | thingfish | hehe |
| 03:17.48 | Stevie-O | i once ended an ide-vs-scsi war on LKML using a reference to punch cards |
| 03:17.51 | nanok | Stevie-O: no, i was doing analogue neural-network shit back than. i downgraded to digital shit only a lot later |
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| 03:18.27 | abrotman | asg: hehe |
| 03:18.55 | Stevie-O | hahaha |
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| 03:19.53 | abrotman | !start an old hardware war |
| 03:19.54 | dpkg | You kids have it EASY! When I was your age I had to write compilers on a UNIVAC III! |
| 03:20.05 | asg | no, only toresbe did |
| 03:20.34 | abrotman | but he wanted to |
| 03:20.42 | olindinho | lol |
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| 03:20.55 | asg | abrotman: yeah |
| 03:21.01 | olindinho | no easy |
| 03:21.11 | acai | what's the command to change to a qwerty keyset? |
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| 03:21.29 | nanok | acai: any qwerty keyset? :) |
| 03:21.34 | acai | US |
| 03:21.39 | Stevie-O | go forward to the 24th century and say "computer, activate qwerty keyset" |
| 03:21.43 | asg | acai: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 03:21.43 | Supaplex | acai: shake the keys off the keyboard, and rearange them. ;) |
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| 03:21.53 | asg | acai: and/or /msg dpkg keymap |
| 03:22.04 | nanok | acai: setxkbmap us |
| 03:22.11 | EdibleText | Stevie-O, that is funny. and i dont know why :) |
| 03:22.13 | ericcool | Can any one help me set up my printer? |
| 03:22.29 | abrotman | why doesn't it work? |
| 03:22.40 | ericcool | ? |
| 03:22.45 | thingfish | ericcool: using gnome? gnome-cups-manager. kde? kcontrol. |
| 03:22.54 | Supaplex | I suggest a 9 iron |
| 03:22.55 | Stevie-O | EdibleText: Don't forget to wait till the computer replies in a female voice with "Qwerty keyset activated" |
| 03:22.57 | thingfish | hehe |
| 03:23.04 | EdibleText | heh |
| 03:23.07 | asg | Supaplex: nah, the sand wedge |
| 03:23.18 | Supaplex | ouuuuu good call |
| 03:23.23 | Stevie-O | Supaplex: isn't that for a fax machine? |
| 03:23.24 | nanok | Stevie-O: and you will find yourself having to set the computer to voice activated mode, via the keyboard |
| 03:23.26 | ericcool | I want to print a document it will not print using gnome |
| 03:23.38 | Stevie-O | nanok: Not in the 24th century |
| 03:24.11 | nanok | Stevie-O: and one a serial console, couse gates decided ps/2 is obsoleted |
| 03:24.18 | nanok | :P |
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| 03:24.37 | tae | can someone please help me, im in a deep hole with this debian |
| 03:24.42 | tae | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:24.45 | Stevie-O | nanok: god, I hate the fact that new hardware lacks a ps/2 port |
| 03:24.51 | abrotman | !li |
| 03:24.51 | dpkg | if 'LI' is printed when the system is booted, it means that your drive is probably too large (OR you simply forgot to run 'lilo'). There is a Large-disk-mini-howto. Read it.. Boot the rescue disk, edit lilo.conf and add 'lba32' then try again., or (if drive geometry has changed) try booting from the rescue disk, mounting /, and rerunning lilo. Or you could try grub instead. :) Lithium, or Liechtenstein. |
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| 03:25.05 | asg | Stevie-O: and a serial port |
| 03:25.23 | tae | forgot to run lilo no, it was automatically configed |
| 03:25.26 | Supaplex | GR GR GR GR GR ... ;) |
| 03:25.28 | Stevie-O | asg: thank god those still exist in most places |
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| 03:25.33 | nougat | Stevie-O: for a couple of dollars you can get usb adapters |
| 03:25.43 | Stevie-O | flaky ones |
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| 03:25.51 | nanok | asg: yeah, i can live w/o the ps/2 i think, but the thing with the serial port pisse me off |
| 03:25.53 | asg | nougat: which you have to drag around like a wet condom. |
| 03:26.04 | nougat | pl2303 does it for me... |
| 03:26.05 | tae | alright, this is the last time i try this |
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| 03:26.25 | abrotman | how about "Use grub" |
| 03:26.30 | asg | nougat: yeah, serials are a requirement if you work with most non-soho hardware. |
| 03:26.50 | Supaplex | ssh++ :) |
| 03:26.53 | Stevie-O | soho? |
| 03:26.59 | nougat | they're even built in to some usb devices...I have gps adapter that shows up as a pl2303 to the kernel |
| 03:27.02 | asg | !soho |
| 03:27.03 | dpkg | from memory, soho is small office, home office |
| 03:27.09 | JasonF | How do you enable the php-mysql module? It's not enabled on my box, but it is installed |
| 03:27.20 | Supaplex | php.ini |
| 03:27.23 | Stevie-O | oh |
| 03:27.28 | asg | JasonF: you installed the php4-mysql package? |
| 03:27.43 | JasonF | asg: actually, I'm using php 5 backport, but the appropriate -mysql package is installed |
| 03:27.54 | asg | JasonF: if so, check /etc/php4/apache/php.ini and make sure 'extension=mysql.so' exists and is uncommented. Don't forget to restart apache. |
| 03:27.54 | nanok | JasonF: edit httpd.conf or whatever it is for you (depending on the apache installation) |
| 03:28.09 | nanok | oh, ok |
| 03:28.10 | asg | JasonF: s/php4/php5/ |
| 03:28.33 | Supaplex | jk |
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| 03:29.11 | Stevie-O | hahaha |
| 03:29.30 | Stevie-O | Perfect. |
| 03:31.04 | nougat | what's the best way to disable avahi-daemon |
| 03:31.11 | asg | nougat: remove it? |
| 03:31.20 | LtL | dpkg - 'SoHo' is South of Houston street lower Manhattan, NYC. :) |
| 03:31.20 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, LtL |
| 03:31.22 | nougat | I want to keep it around |
| 03:31.40 | asg | LtL: dpkg, SoHo is also ... |
| 03:31.40 | MrNaz | hey... theres a really nice picture that i saw of a coffee cup with the debian logo in the swirl of the froth on the top... i've only seen it on a splash screen of the livecd of mythtv... anybody know which image im talking about and where i can get it? |
| 03:31.43 | nougat | just not have it chirping incessantly on the network |
| 03:31.46 | asg | nougat: update-rc.d |
| 03:31.53 | nougat | it's not in an rc script |
| 03:31.54 | asg | nougat: or /etc/init.d/foo stop |
| 03:31.55 | nougat | it's called by dbus |
| 03:32.09 | nougat | although it is in init.d... |
| 03:32.16 | nougat | I'd like it to boot up off |
| 03:32.31 | nougat | right now what I've done is dpkg-diverted it away from the dbus batch directory |
| 03:32.34 | JasonF | asg: I manually added that line, and it's still not working |
| 03:32.36 | JasonF | any other ideas? |
| 03:32.39 | abrotman | MrNaz: not a clue .. check cafepress ? |
| 03:32.47 | asg | nougat: if it's started by the script in /etc/init.d, then update-rc.d -f <scriptname> remove should do it |
| 03:32.49 | nanok | nougat: ls /etc/rc2.d/ ? |
| 03:33.01 | asg | JasonF: did you restart apache? |
| 03:33.09 | JasonF | asg: any of my php+mysql enabled sites are saying Fatal error: Call to undefined function session_name() in /web/openformula/www/includes/Setup.php on line 121 |
| 03:33.10 | asg | JasonF: did you clear your browser cache also? |
| 03:33.12 | JasonF | asg: yep |
| 03:33.20 | nougat | nanok, asg: it's in /etc/dbus-1/system.d, not /etc/rc?.d |
| 03:33.20 | JasonF | asg: dur, lemme try another url |
| 03:33.25 | MrNaz | abrotman where's cafepress? |
| 03:33.33 | JasonF | asg: not working |
| 03:33.34 | nougat | it's called by the dbus system's rc script, and I need to keep dbus |
| 03:33.46 | abrotman | MrNaz: a website |
| 03:33.56 | nanok | nougat: try dpkg-reconfigure |
| 03:34.05 | nougat | no dice on dpkg-reconfigure... |
| 03:34.10 | MrNaz | abrotman yeap found it... i think i'll buy some stuff :) |
| 03:34.16 | nougat | maybe it'll get put in there as unstable matures tho |
| 03:34.23 | asg | JasonF: well, I can't speak to backports or php5 but Debian's php4 mysql support is provided in the manner I mentioned above. Things might have changed with the extension name but I don't know. |
| 03:34.26 | nougat | zeroconf doesn't seem to be all that friendly right now |
| 03:34.38 | LtL | dpkg - 'SoHo' is also South of Houston street lower Manhattan, NYC. wheee |
| 03:34.38 | dpkg | LtL: what are you talking about? |
| 03:34.47 | JasonF | asg: I just found it in there, no idea why it isn't working |
| 03:35.04 | abrotman | dpkg: soho is also South of Houston street lower Manhattan, NYC. wheee |
| 03:35.05 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
| 03:35.07 | asg | JasonF: are you sure it's uncommented (i.e., doesn't begin with ';') ? |
| 03:35.19 | JasonF | extension_dir = "/usr/local/lib/php5.0/20041030:/usr/local/lib/php5/20041030:/usr/local/lib/php:/usr/lib/php5.0/20041030:/usr$ |
| 03:35.28 | asg | !sosoho isn't worth the money |
| 03:35.32 | unstable | Am I legally allowed to burn open office discs and burn them to a cdr and sell them at my school for 5 dollars? |
| 03:35.32 | JasonF | (teh extension is in /usr/lib/php5.0/20041030) |
| 03:35.38 | asg | !sosoho is <reply>isn't worth the money |
| 03:35.38 | dpkg | okay, asg |
| 03:35.46 | asg | unstable: yes |
| 03:35.54 | JasonF | and extension=mysql.so |
| 03:36.07 | bucky | unstable: you have my permission |
| 03:36.21 | unstable | k, I thought so I was just making sure. |
| 03:36.24 | nougat | unstable: but if someone asks you for the source, you'll probably have to find a way to get it to them |
| 03:36.30 | JasonF | asg: any other ideas at all of where to look? |
| 03:36.43 | nougat | unstable: that is, only if they buy the cd |
| 03:37.14 | asg | JasonF: again, I don't know anything about php5 but verify that the function names in php5 are the same as those in php4 (if you are following some howto or tutorial) |
| 03:37.17 | JasonF | asg: that's *very* strange. extension=mysql.so |
| 03:37.24 | JasonF | http://aukyla.opendocumentfoundation.org/version.php that shows mysql support loaded |
| 03:37.37 | JasonF | maybe I have to restart mysql? |
| 03:37.47 | spoopin | JasonF: the session_name function isn't mysql specific, is it? Perhape something else is broken... |
| 03:37.48 | asg | JasonF: no, only apache would need to be |
| 03:38.00 | asg | spoopin: ah, good catch |
| 03:38.01 | Supaplex | reboot the internet! |
| 03:38.16 | JasonF | Snake-Eyes|w: does openformula.org load for you? |
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| 03:38.45 | nanok | Supaplex: Not yet! let me finish downloading google first |
| 03:38.46 | spoopin | asg: I gotta get one now and again ;) |
| 03:39.09 | JasonF | spoopin: does openformula.org load for you? |
| 03:39.18 | JasonF | what else could session_name be? |
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| 03:39.36 | Supaplex | http://php.net/session_name |
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| 03:39.53 | matrix3000k | quick question everyone how to you uninstall a .deb package? |
| 03:40.14 | LtL | dpkg -r package |
| 03:40.16 | nanok | matrix3000k: dpkg -r |
| 03:40.22 | spoopin | JasonF: nope. same error you reported before |
| 03:40.37 | JasonF | Supaplex: the info on php.net isn't saying if it's in a module or something |
| 03:40.48 | matrix3000k | thanks nanok |
| 03:41.24 | spoopin | JasonF: did you indicate you're using a backport of php5? |
| 03:41.32 | Kelsi | wtf |
| 03:41.35 | Kelsi | JasonF |
| 03:41.39 | nozzle | I have a little problem with apt-get. I did an update and I got this mesage at the end: `E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room' and then `E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/dpkg/status'. A google search was not very fruitful. Anyone else seen this before? Everytime I run apt-get or apt-cache, it prints these errors. |
| 03:41.52 | Stevie-O | [22:27] <JasonF> asg: actually, I'm using php 5 backport, but the appropriate -mysql package is installed |
| 03:42.08 | LtL | dpkg - disregard last message |
| 03:42.09 | nanok | nozzle: memtest |
| 03:42.11 | nougat | nozzle: mmap running out of room is bad. very bad |
| 03:42.11 | Kelsi | How interesting.... |
| 03:42.25 | JasonF | spoopin: ah-ha! session.so wasn't loading |
| 03:42.31 | nozzle | nanok: what? |
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| 03:42.41 | JasonF | IT WORKS! Huzzah! |
| 03:42.54 | nanok | nozzle: one of the things you could try is memtest |
| 03:43.05 | nougat | nozzle: something is very corrupt on your system, it could be an executable binary, a library, your kernel, or your hardware |
| 03:43.15 | spoopin | JasonF: congrats |
| 03:43.16 | Kelsi | JasonF I thought you used Windows |
| 03:43.17 | nougat | memtest tells you if it's your memory |
| 03:43.17 | nanok | nozzle: another is using just one branch at a time |
| 03:43.17 | nozzle | nougat: are you suggesting the problem might be bigger than apt? Everything else seems to work. |
| 03:43.33 | Supaplex | corruption? goverment? together? never . . . |
| 03:43.37 | JasonF | Kelsi: jesus, you aren't kelsey from r-type, are you? |
| 03:43.41 | nougat | nozzle: no, it's probably apt or dpkg, or possibly one of their config files |
| 03:43.54 | Kelsi | JasonF: :-) |
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| 03:44.05 | nougat | you don't happen to run aide or tripwire, do you? |
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| 03:44.10 | JasonF | or, thankfully, no longer of r-type |
| 03:44.11 | JasonF | ha |
| 03:44.11 | Supaplex | dpkg are you ok? |
| 03:44.17 | Kelsi | Correct-O |
| 03:44.22 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 03:44.22 | dpkg | hello, abrotman |
| 03:44.31 | Kelsi | Thankfully, as that place was fullllllll of negaticty |
| 03:44.46 | abrotman | tarzeau: can you package taspring? |
| 03:44.55 | Kelsi | However you should be thankful I am refering users to you guys (I just refered andytek) |
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| 03:45.21 | asg | spoopin: night, time to crash |
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| 03:45.46 | nanok | asg: safe landing, than :P |
| 03:45.55 | Stevie-O | Technically, as we don't get paid per-user (we don't get paid at all, actually), we are not lucky |
| 03:46.47 | spoopin | asg: cool. I'll be doing the same soon myself. Consider some jammage this weekend? |
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| 03:51.50 | nozzle | nougat: if apt or dpkg are hosed, is it possible to re-install them? |
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| 03:52.27 | abrotman | yes |
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| 03:54.06 | nougat | nozzle: you could do it manually |
| 03:54.16 | nougat | a .deb is a /usr/bin/ar archive |
| 03:54.20 | nougat | with a tarball in it |
| 03:54.27 | abrotman | ar x <pkg> |
| 03:54.32 | unstable | tetrinet anyone? |
| 03:54.41 | abrotman | FFS .. go away with the tetrinet |
| 03:54.46 | abrotman | every freaking day |
| 03:55.02 | unstable | If you want to play tetris, apt-get install gtetrinet; then connect to tetrinet.debian.net |
| 03:55.07 | abrotman | yeah .. that's right .. someone peed in my cheerios! |
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| 03:55.37 | MrNaz | abrotman yea that'll ruin your WHOLE day |
| 03:55.38 | unstable | J/j 4 |
| 03:55.43 | nanok | abrotman: is it the cat..is it the mad neighbour.. |
| 03:55.51 | nougat | abrotman: it's all good man, the world is big enough for tetrinet playas and hatas |
| 03:56.09 | MrNaz | nougat not if both are in #debian ;-) |
| 03:56.09 | abrotman | yeah . but don't they have thier own channel? :) |
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| 03:56.34 | MrNaz | id like a gnu port of that old mac game Bolo |
| 03:56.35 | nozzle | are there any secret `verbose' or `debugging' options that can be given to apt? I don't see anything in the manpage. |
| 03:56.44 | abrotman | nozzle: for what? |
| 03:56.48 | MrNaz | apt-get install bolo would be cool esp if it made it easier to find player partners |
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| 03:57.19 | nozzle | abrotman: so I can understand better what is happening when apt dies on me. |
| 03:57.35 | nanok | nozzle: strace |
| 03:57.42 | nanok | if you must |
| 03:58.00 | nanok | but apt "dying on you" should not be something..usual |
| 03:58.00 | abrotman | MrNaz: http://www.winbolo.com/ .. like that? |
| 03:58.14 | nozzle | nanok: good idea. |
| 03:58.43 | nougat | nozzle: what do you want to bet it dies on a mmap(2) failure? |
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| 04:00.03 | nanok | nougat: :) |
| 04:00.07 | GNU_Style | can I compile and mane xconfig the kernel on another hdd not in usr/src --- cause my / is low on space |
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| 04:00.22 | abrotman | GNU_Style: sure .. |
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| 04:00.26 | nougat | any of you guys run exim4 to receive internet mail? |
| 04:01.00 | EdibleText | GNU_Style, you could even sysmlink /usr/src to /new/hdd/dir if you want |
| 04:01.16 | abrotman | nougat: ask a better question |
| 04:01.22 | nanok | nozzle: i have the same problem on some machine (allthoug it is not a "clean" install). i get it only when using more than one branch in sources list. havent had the time to actually debbug the bugger.. |
| 04:01.34 | nougat | abrotman: I turned on exim4 using the "internet mail" config preset |
| 04:01.42 | nougat | and I found that I'm vulnerable to spoofing |
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| 04:02.05 | abrotman | ask #exim ? ... i don't personalyl use exim |
| 04:02.07 | GNU_Style | must I extract the sources as root? |
| 04:02.19 | GNU_Style | if I dont it says permission denied |
| 04:02.23 | nougat | connecting from anywhere outside to my own server, I can set MAIL FROM:<anyone@myserver> and mail something to anyone@myserver |
| 04:02.30 | nanok | GNU_Style: ... |
| 04:02.54 | abrotman | nougat: uhm .. |
| 04:03.25 | nougat | exim supports acls...I'm wondering about getting an acl in the debian config so shenanigans like this aren't possible |
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| 04:03.56 | nanok | nozzle: i think i'll try to reinstall dpkg next time i come around there. have you tried that? |
| 04:04.53 | EdibleText | nougat, I can send you mail from gwb@whitehouse.gov with mutt. but my headers would betray me. |
| 04:05.13 | nougat | EdibleText: sure...but my system should know that you are not from my system |
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| 04:05.31 | nougat | if you are connecting from a non local address |
| 04:05.34 | abrotman | nougat: you've never gotten spam from yourself? |
| 04:05.55 | nougat | abrotman: I've never gotten spam from myself that I wanted to keep... |
| 04:06.04 | abrotman | nougat: but you're missing the point |
| 04:06.16 | nougat | enlighten me |
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| 04:06.40 | abrotman | nougat: your system has to accept mail from other hosts .. as long as they're addressing to a domain that your machine accepts |
| 04:06.46 | MrNaz | is there a bit torrent client for linux CLI? |
| 04:06.54 | MrNaz | i'm looking for something that works like wget |
| 04:07.03 | nougat | abrotman says who? what's the pain of rejecting mail that's obviously spoofed? |
| 04:07.11 | nanok | nougat: there is no actual way to prevent that, that is built into smtp. all you can do is pgp-signing or similar.. |
| 04:07.13 | nougat | other than writing the acl for the first time |
| 04:07.16 | abrotman | nougat: ok .. then go to #exim and ask them how to do it |
| 04:07.30 | nanok | MrNaz: btdownloadcurses, apt-cache search |
| 04:07.39 | nougat | nanok: exim acls can do this...I just don't know the syntax all that well... |
| 04:07.47 | MrNaz | nanok thanks |
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| 04:08.05 | nanok | nougat: i meant what abrotman was saying. that is what he means |
| 04:08.36 | abrotman | i mean something other than what i said ? |
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| 04:08.52 | nanok | nougat: no matter what you do, there is still a way of doing it. smtp was never designed to deal with that. it was initially designed for trusted networks, friendly usage, and such |
| 04:09.07 | nanok | abrotman: you can never tell.. |
| 04:09.08 | nanok | :) |
| 04:09.16 | abrotman | i think i meant what i said :) |
| 04:09.25 | EdibleText | abrotman, you generally say what you mean. ;) you may even say what you think |
| 04:09.33 | abrotman | sadly .. i do |
| 04:09.48 | nanok | abrotman: i bow to that. i tend to think the same of myself, usualy |
| 04:10.17 | nougat | nanok: say exim4 looked at the connecting IP address and the domain of the RCPT TO: command, perhaps as well as the From: header |
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| 04:10.33 | nougat | and rejected mail from non-local addresses where either domain is set to @myserver.com |
| 04:10.36 | nougat | how would you get around it? |
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| 04:11.18 | nougat | my employees only take orders from me@myserver (in principle), not me@somewhere else |
| 04:11.19 | nanok | nougat: the point was you can still get, for instance, spam form nougat@yourdomain.tld, |
| 04:11.25 | nougat | nanok: how? |
| 04:11.49 | abrotman | try #exim |
| 04:11.59 | nanok | abrotman is right |
| 04:12.02 | nougat | abrotman: I will... |
| 04:12.04 | nougat | thx |
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| 04:13.23 | EdibleText | yeah but wouldnt youe mail be broken, if you say took a laptop on vaction and wanted to email someoneelse@mydomain? |
| 04:13.45 | nougat | EdibleText: that's what VPNs are for |
| 04:14.05 | abrotman | pop-before-smtp |
| 04:14.16 | nougat | or SMTP authentication, even |
| 04:14.18 | EdibleText | nougat, so only handle mail for cetain networks |
| 04:14.25 | EdibleText | if you have vpn |
| 04:14.39 | nougat | EdibleText: but I want to receive mail from everywhere to myfolks@myserver |
| 04:14.49 | nougat | only one server... |
| 04:15.04 | xaxes|free | gn8 |
| 04:15.33 | nougat | just not when everywhere tries to impersonate me or myfolks@myserver |
| 04:16.14 | nougat | I'm pretty sure that spamassassin and a couple others actually check this |
| 04:16.18 | EdibleText | nougat, clamav |
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| 04:16.50 | nougat | but TBH i want/need to receive all the crap |
| 04:17.17 | abrotman | which would imply !exim :) |
| 04:17.19 | EdibleText | nougat, with spamassinss and clamv you can send all crap to specified account |
| 04:17.26 | nougat | hmmm. |
| 04:17.41 | EdibleText | nougat, but i do this with [dare i mention] qmail! |
| 04:17.42 | nougat | EdibleText: aha... I'll do that then |
| 04:17.46 | abrotman | nougat: you could test by installing postfix/sendmail and trying again |
| 04:18.17 | nougat | now we're making progress, cheers :) |
| 04:18.30 | abrotman | postfix kicks butt! |
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| 04:19.57 | EdibleText | I would like to use pgp signing and stuff.. but I cant seem to explain the usefulness much less the operating details without eyeballs glazing over |
| 04:20.10 | huri | hi |
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| 04:20.22 | huri | i have some pcups problem |
| 04:20.26 | huri | cups |
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| 04:20.47 | huri | the server connection refused |
| 04:20.57 | huri | i cannot use my printer |
| 04:21.02 | huri | can someone help |
| 04:21.46 | LtL | huri - try opening port 631 |
| 04:21.49 | EdibleText | well first connect to the cups administration page or whatever. via a browser |
| 04:22.12 | abrotman | !info printconf sarge |
| 04:22.20 | dpkg | printconf: (automatically configures USB and parallel printers with CUPS), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.7.4.14 (sarge), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 40 kB |
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| 04:23.14 | GNU_Style | http://pastebin.com/621174 |
| 04:23.31 | EdibleText | cool ill have to remeber that .. I have to set up printer for my dad this weekend. (debian stable, KDE kit) |
| 04:23.32 | GNU_Style | how do I change owner ship and groupname of this .tar.bz2 |
| 04:23.44 | abrotman | chown |
| 04:23.59 | EdibleText | chown user:group <file> |
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| 04:27.52 | Sevidul | isn't it chown user.group file? |
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| 04:28.20 | nougat | Sevidul: what if the user has a dot in his name |
| 04:29.08 | Sevidul | then u would have a problem i guess |
| 04:29.20 | Stevie-O | then they deserve it for having a wacked out username |
| 04:29.29 | nougat | colon is used to delimit /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow |
| 04:29.39 | nougat | you can get away with . in your username |
| 04:29.47 | abrotman | man chown ? |
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| 04:29.50 | abrotman | !u |
| 04:29.50 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 04:30.13 | Stevie-O | u wouldn't have a problem |
| 04:30.16 | Stevie-O | but u.v would |
| 04:31.09 | abrotman | !cookie |
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| 04:35.31 | huri | that's the problem guys, i can't connect to localhost:631 |
| 04:35.41 | abrotman | did you install cups? |
| 04:35.45 | huri | and printconf doesn't work either |
| 04:35.45 | Stevie-O | wait |
| 04:35.48 | Stevie-O | what does !cookie do? |
| 04:35.56 | huri | yup, i'd installed it] |
| 04:36.03 | abrotman | !cookie |
| 04:36.10 | abrotman | hehe |
| 04:36.10 | Stevie-O | 'literal cookie' gave me nothing |
| 04:36.15 | abrotman | it's a builtin |
| 04:36.19 | Stevie-O | ah |
| 04:36.23 | Stevie-O | !cookie |
| 04:36.24 | dpkg | Hey stevie-o, x-slink is at http://netgod.net/ x/" to /etc/apt/sources.list. |
| 04:36.26 | abrotman | there are other builtins |
| 04:36.36 | huri | how to connect to localhost:631 |
| 04:36.41 | Stevie-O | what the hell |
| 04:36.46 | EdibleText | heh |
| 04:37.03 | nougat | huri: do a netstat and look to see if TCP:631 is LISTENING |
| 04:37.09 | abrotman | Stevie-O: randomly grabs a factoid . some useful .. some useless |
| 04:37.43 | huri | fyi i don't use internet on my pc |
| 04:37.48 | Stevie-O | so far it's 1 for 3 |
| 04:37.54 | Stevie-O | on the useful front |
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| 04:37.56 | huri | it's a stand alone single pc |
| 04:38.08 | Stevie-O | so it's not married? |
| 04:38.11 | nougat | netstat -a, btw |
| 04:38.19 | huri | hahaha... |
| 04:38.31 | Stevie-O | actually for listening |
| 04:38.33 | Stevie-O | use netstat -ln |
| 04:38.40 | Stevie-O | as root try netstat -lnp |
| 04:38.43 | huri | if it's not listening? |
| 04:39.03 | nougat | huri: then it's not running, your challenge then is to get it running |
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| 04:39.12 | wimp | does the default mysql have ssl support? |
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| 04:39.23 | wimp | (i.e. I think it should, but it;'s not working for me, so I'm going to ask the gurus here) |
| 04:39.26 | Stevie-O | .... |
| 04:39.31 | Stevie-O | ~kaiman |
| 04:39.33 | apt | forget kaiman |
| 04:39.58 | npx | apt, chuck norris? |
| 04:40.03 | abrotman | wimp: on debian ? |
| 04:40.08 | Stevie-O | !kaiman |
| 04:40.09 | npx | you guys need to integrate apt with chucknorrisfacts.com |
| 04:40.09 | dpkg | forget kaiman |
| 04:40.09 | wimp | yes |
| 04:40.15 | wimp | abrotman, yes, on debian |
| 04:40.23 | Stevie-O | npx: i like the jack bauer facts |
| 04:40.25 | wimp | I meant, the deafult mysql package in debian; |
| 04:40.26 | abrotman | did you check the conf file? |
| 04:40.56 | wimp | hmm; it looks like it supports it |
| 04:40.56 | nougat | wimp: doesn't look like it, since mysql-server does not depend on ssl |
| 04:40.57 | wimp | thanks |
| 04:41.02 | wimp | oh |
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| 04:41.08 | wimp | # If you want to enable SSL support (recommended) read the manual or my |
| 04:41.08 | wimp | # HOWTO in /usr/share/doc/mysql-server/SSL-MINI-HOWTO.txt.gz |
| 04:41.08 | wimp | # ssl-ca=/etc/mysql/cacert.pem |
| 04:41.08 | wimp | # ssl-cert=/etc/mysql/server-cert.pem |
| 04:41.08 | wimp | # ssl-key=/etc/mysql/server-key.pem |
| 04:41.08 | nougat | I could be wrong tho |
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| 04:41.11 | Stevie-O | what the hell |
| 04:41.14 | huri | than how to get it running |
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| 04:41.20 | abrotman | a stanford kid should be able to figure out not pasting :) |
| 04:41.27 | wimp | I'm dumb |
| 04:41.30 | wimp | admissions error |
| 04:41.35 | Stevie-O | hahaha |
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| 04:41.42 | abrotman | wimp: correct answer "I'm the janitor" :) |
| 04:41.46 | wimp | haha |
| 04:42.09 | nougat | wimp: do /usr/bin/ldd on your mysql binary, look for libcrypto or some other ssl library |
| 04:42.12 | Stevie-O | then the next question would be 'how did the janitor learn to use Debian' |
| 04:42.21 | abrotman | wimp: you'll have to setup certificates and such .. but it should work .. or use ldd to see if support is compiled in |
| 04:42.26 | Stevie-O | although if you're in here asking for help, the response to that would be 'he didn't' |
| 04:42.27 | xhaan | but debian is so easy |
| 04:42.33 | abrotman | Stevie-O: he hangs out with ben affleck ? |
| 04:42.35 | xhaan | :p |
| 04:42.46 | Stevie-O | ben affleck uses Debian? |
| 04:43.29 | abrotman | Stevie-O: that's really annoying |
| 04:43.59 | abrotman | awww .. we can get married |
| 04:45.19 | Stevie-O | I fail to see how imdb.com can tell me how Ben Affleck relates to Debian |
| 04:45.22 | MrNaz | can you get more colours on the console other than just by using ls with colours? i like colours they're pretty |
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| 04:46.03 | Stevie-O | there are ways to colorize your prompt |
| 04:46.06 | abrotman | Stevie-O: i could explain it .. but i'm still not sure you'd get it |
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| 04:46.29 | nougat | MrNaz: you could try using escape codes |
| 04:46.33 | Stevie-O | If you have to explain it, then it's not that funnny :P |
| 04:46.42 | Stevie-O | only with the proper number of ns |
| 04:46.46 | abrotman | Stevie-O: or you're not smart enough to get it :) |
| 04:47.02 | MrNaz | nougat i was thinking if there was a standard colour theme that people used |
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| 04:47.07 | MrNaz | if not then meh |
| 04:47.09 | wimp | if it has libcrypt but not libssl; does it suppot ssl? |
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| 04:47.45 | nougat | MrNaz: some fancy x-terminals do a little as well...konsole or eterm, perhaps |
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| 04:48.34 | MrNaz | nougat thanks... i dont think ill bother i dont spend nearly enough time at the console to justify the time expense getting anything thats more than an apt-get away |
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| 04:49.37 | nougat | wimp: libcrypt or libcrypto? |
| 04:49.37 | abrotman | saginaw? |
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| 04:49.59 | nougat | wimp: libcrypto is the ssl one, libcrypt just does password hashes, iirc |
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| 04:50.39 | wimp | librt, libpthread, libdl, libcrypt, libnsl, libm, libc, ld-linux, NO libcrypto |
| 04:50.47 | wimp | hmm; I should go compile from source? |
| 04:51.26 | nougat | wimp: you could apt-src install and then play with the rules files and build dependencies, and you might be able to get a working .deb out of it |
| 04:51.30 | nougat | ymmv tho |
| 04:51.54 | wimp | screw this; I'm going to go use stunnel |
| 04:51.57 | wimp | and not deal with this mess :-) |
| 04:51.59 | nougat | lol |
| 04:52.00 | wimp | thanks for everyone's help though |
| 04:52.27 | nougat | you could also file a wishlist bug with the package maintainer |
| 04:52.52 | nougat | wouldn't guarantee you anything, but in a few weeks to a few years it might work out |
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| 04:53.05 | yos87 | hi |
| 04:54.32 | lin | hello |
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| 04:55.37 | Aucerq | #bahia |
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| 04:55.46 | abrotman | Aucerq: please go away |
| 04:55.57 | jrwr | what kernel does testing use for booting setup under linux26 |
| 04:56.05 | jrwr | so i can compile a driver |
| 04:56.05 | abrotman | oh wait .. maybe he doesn't know how to use his irc client :) |
| 04:56.06 | Aucerq | not ingles |
| 04:56.08 | abrotman | !es |
| 04:56.09 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 04:56.15 | EdibleText | !br |
| 04:56.15 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 04:56.17 | abrotman | jrwr: probably 2.6.15 |
| 04:56.29 | jrwr | are you SURE |
| 04:56.33 | Aucerq | ok |
| 04:56.37 | abrotman | you could .. like check |
| 04:56.42 | abrotman | or ask #debian-boot |
| 04:57.03 | nougat | jrwr: if you can find a module, modinfo will tell you what you need to know |
| 04:57.17 | abrotman | he has to compile a module |
| 04:57.21 | jrwr | its for my IDE card |
| 04:57.23 | EdibleText | abrotman, bahia is a state in brazil |
| 04:57.30 | jrwr | ITE 8212 |
| 04:57.32 | liable | how about reading the ig? |
| 04:57.41 | abrotman | EdibleText: i thought he wanted us to join the channel |
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| 04:58.15 | yos87 | How can I know the IP address for wich country? |
| 04:58.21 | EdibleText | no no.. i only mention it because i sense you appreciate knowledge like that.. |
| 04:58.21 | abrotman | arin.net might be of some help |
| 04:58.36 | nougat | yos87: you could ask arin... |
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| 04:58.51 | abrotman | EdibleText: i figured he wasn't speaking spanish after i saw the ingles |
| 04:58.57 | EdibleText | ah |
| 04:58.59 | abrotman | i ddi the !es based on his IP |
| 04:59.42 | yos87 | nougat: how's arin? |
| 04:59.45 | abrotman | wait .. it is ingles in spanish |
| 04:59.53 | abrotman | is spanish |
| 05:00.00 | abrotman | god damn it .. too many langauges in here :) |
| 05:00.05 | nougat | yos87: haven't seen her for years.. |
| 05:00.15 | abrotman | arin.net |
| 05:00.38 | EdibleText | its like jennacam but different |
| 05:00.54 | huri | help dude |
| 05:01.05 | EdibleText | !help huri |
| 05:01.10 | huri | how to connect to localhost:631 |
| 05:01.42 | nougat | huri: what happens when you run # /etc/init.d/cupsys start |
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| 05:02.51 | SimonRaven | huri: with a web browser |
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| 05:03.02 | samuel_ | hello all |
| 05:03.13 | nougat | SimonRaven: he's not running anything on port 631, he checked netstat earlier |
| 05:03.27 | abrotman | then maybe he should be |
| 05:03.43 | MrNaz | whats the current most used version of GCC ? im trying to compile apache 2.0.55 |
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| 05:04.00 | bucky | why? |
| 05:04.05 | MrNaz | or should i just apt-get install gcc and that'll install the most appropriate version? |
| 05:04.08 | cooljohn | ive got a friend here running windows that wants to put gentoo on his machine and im trying to convince him to run debian, can someone help out a little please? |
| 05:04.10 | MrNaz | bucky why to me? |
| 05:04.12 | nougat | MrNaz: 3.x and 4.x are popular, 2.9x is on the outs |
| 05:04.15 | bucky | yeah.. why? |
| 05:04.19 | abrotman | MrNaz: what's wrong with apt-get install apache2 ? |
| 05:04.37 | SimonRaven | then it would be wise to start the thing up, wouldn't it |
| 05:04.42 | EdibleText | cooljohn, let him install gentoo.. then if he is serious hell come home to debian |
| 05:04.49 | xhaan | the packaged version stinks :p |
| 05:04.59 | MrNaz | bucky / abrotman umm... its a rather long story i get asked that every time can skip it this afternoon? im tired and hungry and i dont want to type out my reasons hehe |
| 05:05.09 | MrNaz | xhaan yea thats part of it |
| 05:05.11 | abrotman | MrNaz: no? |
| 05:05.41 | bucky | xhaan: it only sucks if you don't know how to read /etc/apache2/README |
| 05:05.55 | nougat | I've wanted to compile apache before...to play with the code, make new modules, etc...it's not that a strange thing to want to do |
| 05:06.12 | cooljohn | EdibleText: true, i just wanted to save him the pain of gentoo... recompiling your kernel for two days to use it five minutes and then recompile again does not have much appeal to me... but i could be crazy... |
| 05:06.14 | yos87 | nougat: Why you said that? |
| 05:06.34 | cooljohn | EdibleText: system i mean |
| 05:06.54 | MrNaz | nougat so should i be using 3.x to do this? |
| 05:07.06 | nougat | MrNaz: that would probably work |
| 05:07.07 | EdibleText | cooljohn, well spmetimes painful lessons are lessons remembered ;) |
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| 05:07.32 | nougat | most recent (>= 3.x) released revisions of gcc haven't been all that bad |
| 05:07.42 | EdibleText | cooljohn, I want you buddy to use debian too.. tell him that.. perhaps it will convince him |
| 05:08.00 | GNU_Style | what does cp /boot/config-2.6.10.686 ./.config mean? |
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| 05:08.04 | nougat | istr reading that Linus has abandoned 2.9x recently, but 2.9x would probably still work for apache... |
| 05:08.11 | GNU_Style | im confussed about the ./.config line? |
| 05:08.12 | bucky | MrNaz: use whichever gcc your kernel was compiled with |
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| 05:08.19 | huri | nougat the cups cannot start |
| 05:08.23 | MrNaz | bucky how would i find that out? |
| 05:08.26 | SimonRaven | xhaan: READMEs aren't supposed to do anything except be read |
| 05:08.37 | huri | nougat though i have reinstalled it |
| 05:08.40 | Coweater | GNU_Style: ./ is your current directory, the . prefix on a file makes it hidden |
| 05:08.49 | nougat | huri: then you need to reconfigure cups....unfortunately that's something I don't know very much about |
| 05:09.10 | nougat | are there any messages in /var/log/daemon.log about cups? |
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| 05:09.28 | nougat | esp toward the bottom of the file, and after you try to run /etc/init.d/cupsys start |
| 05:09.36 | xhaan | i meant it didnt tell me anything useful... like where the fucking doc root was :p |
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| 05:09.51 | bucky | MrNaz: cat /proc/version |
| 05:10.05 | GNU_Style | Coweater: thanks |
| 05:10.22 | bucky | xhaan: like in fucking /var/www was that a big mystery to you? |
| 05:10.39 | MrNaz | hmm |
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| 05:10.54 | SimonRaven | or like, where doc root was set in the conf... |
| 05:10.58 | GNU_Style | Coweater: when compiling a kernel is it necesarry to symlink the extracted sources and work by cd;ng to the symlink? cant I just cd in to the extract dir and work from there? |
| 05:11.02 | MrNaz | i just apt-get installed gcc now i get this error: configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables wtf does that mean?! |
| 05:11.03 | xhaan | yeah it was a mystery, actually |
| 05:11.10 | SimonRaven | some things are assumed to be known ... |
| 05:11.21 | huri | nougat i'll try to run the cupsys start first |
| 05:11.24 | EdibleText | or in a conf file |
| 05:11.28 | abrotman | 2+2=5 .. says intel :) |
| 05:11.31 | huri | im not home right now |
| 05:11.34 | nougat | MrNaz: check that you have write access to your directory |
| 05:11.39 | huri | oh well thanks for the moment guys, i'll comeback if it's still not working |
| 05:11.46 | SimonRaven | only for some values of 2 |
| 05:11.46 | MrNaz | abrotman Enron said that and see where it got them? |
| 05:11.50 | witten | anyone know what's up with this apt-get error? E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. |
| 05:12.03 | MrNaz | nougat im running it as root |
| 05:12.05 | xhaan | apache doc root is assumed to be in /usr/localapache like IT NORMALY SHOULD BE |
| 05:12.09 | SimonRaven | like 2.5 |
| 05:12.18 | SimonRaven | xhaan: no it isn't |
| 05:12.22 | abrotman | MrNaz: it was an intel joke .. just like i said |
| 05:12.26 | nougat | MrNaz : don't do that :P |
| 05:12.36 | EdibleText | xhaan, it dont verk dat vay |
| 05:12.45 | xhaan | only on debian it doesnt :p |
| 05:13.06 | SimonRaven | debian puts it someplace logical ... |
| 05:13.21 | nougat | xhaan: ever heard of FHS? |
| 05:13.31 | GenNMX|Thrae | Is anyone familiar with setting up a shared X environment for use with VNC? Using "-shared always" still doesn't share the current running instance of KDE. |
| 05:13.35 | MrNaz | nougat i was under the impression that apache had to be installed as root... |
| 05:13.47 | SimonRaven | let's assume not, since s/he's bitching about the location |
| 05:13.47 | nougat | MrNaz: install != compile |
| 05:14.07 | nougat | !FHS |
| 05:14.08 | dpkg | fhs is probably the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard and is at http://www.pathname.com/fhs/, or included in the debian-policy package |
| 05:14.13 | bucky | SimonRaven: xhaan didn't know how to read /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default and comment out RedirectMatch ^/$ /apache2-default/ |
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| 05:14.25 | bucky | that's why he got confused and blames us for it |
| 05:14.47 | SimonRaven | bucky: i bet that's covered in the readme (haven't read it in a long time) |
| 05:14.54 | bucky | yeah |
| 05:14.55 | xhaan | no it isnt |
| 05:14.59 | xhaan | :p |
| 05:15.12 | bucky | there's a comment for it in the file |
| 05:15.14 | xhaan | look, i challenge you |
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| 05:15.31 | MrNaz | nougat well when i run it as the user who owns it i just get this: ./configure: line 1082: config.log: Permission denied |
| 05:15.36 | bucky | xhaan: read it /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default |
| 05:15.58 | nougat | MrNaz: probably because you untarballed it as root, now all the files and directories under the source tree are root-owned |
| 05:16.28 | aFlag | is there a way so the debian installer doesn't mess with my /boot/grub/menu.lst when it installs a new kernel? |
| 05:17.41 | nougat | aFlag : /etc/kernel-img.conf might be what you want |
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| 05:18.13 | MrNaz | nougat ok well i deleted it, and reuntarred it, and am running it as user naz and back to the cannot create executables message :-/ |
| 05:18.35 | abrotman | aFlag: might be an option for kernel-pkg.conf or whatever it is |
| 05:19.12 | nougat | MrNaz: hmmm...what does update-alternatives --list gcc say? |
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| 05:19.42 | nougat | I've seen that error before...just don't remember what it was... |
| 05:19.58 | SimonRaven | /etc/apache2/sites-available/default.dpkg-dist: <VirtualHost *>\n [snip] DocumentRoot /var/www/ [snip] <Directory /var/www/> |
| 05:20.10 | yggdrasil | hey pipeline are you around ? |
| 05:20.15 | bucky | update-alternatives --list cc ? |
| 05:20.19 | SimonRaven | and in a fresh install, that would be called default |
| 05:20.28 | bucky | ls -l /usr/bin/gcc |
| 05:20.38 | SimonRaven | xhaan: your ass has just been handed to you |
| 05:20.48 | xhaan | you still on that? :p |
| 05:21.11 | SimonRaven | xhaan: you said i challenge you |
| 05:21.23 | aFlag | thanks |
| 05:21.40 | nougat | xhaan: I think he's challenging you to a game of tetrinet |
| 05:21.48 | xhaan | lol |
| 05:22.15 | aFlag | isn't there a kernel-img.conf man page? |
| 05:22.29 | abrotman | should be |
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| 05:22.46 | abrotman | aFlag: whoops .. wrong one |
| 05:22.57 | nougat | aFlag: kernel-package: usr/share/man/es/man5/kernel-img.conf.5.gz |
| 05:22.59 | abrotman | aFlag: kernel-img.conf |
| 05:23.13 | nougat | and the english version as well :) |
| 05:23.18 | abrotman | i think |
| 05:23.20 | MrNaz | nougat : mrnaz:/home/naz/httpd-2.0.55# update-alternatives --list gcc |
| 05:23.20 | MrNaz | mrnaz:/home/naz/httpd-2.0.55# |
| 05:23.24 | aFlag | hum, i probably need to install some manual page package then |
| 05:23.25 | MrNaz | i.e., nothing |
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| 05:23.38 | MrBIOS- | hi there, can anyone here send me their /etc/init.d/hdparm script? |
| 05:23.44 | nougat | MrNaz: and what does $ which gcc tell you? |
| 05:24.17 | bucky | aFlag: apt-get install kernel-package |
| 05:24.38 | aFlag | yeah, i'm installing it |
| 05:24.39 | aFlag | thanks |
| 05:24.47 | MrNaz | nougat : /usr/bin/gcc |
| 05:24.49 | nougat | oh, wait, I see what you're saying, the apache ./configure script is telling you that gcc can't create executables, right? |
| 05:25.00 | MrNaz | yes |
| 05:25.00 | nougat | then details will be in config.log |
| 05:25.20 | bucky | nougat: prolly cause he don't have gcc installed |
| 05:25.29 | bucky | or something |
| 05:25.45 | MrNaz | bucky i *just* installed it |
| 05:26.04 | nougat | config.log should have toward the bottom a C program and a command that was run on it, and the output of gcc when the configure script tried to run gcc on the c program |
| 05:26.11 | nougat | paste config.log into pastebin |
| 05:26.17 | bucky | MrNaz: good.. i'm glad you're too tired to do something sensible like apt-get install apache2 |
| 05:26.29 | MrNaz | bucky please let it go |
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| 05:26.58 | snowrichard | hi... just got a new install up... |
| 05:27.06 | MrNaz | nougat : http://rafb.net/paste/results/igOEku72.html |
| 05:27.24 | bucky | MrNaz: no.. that's ok, we'll tie up the channel for the next two hours walking you thru installing apache from source |
| 05:27.30 | snowrichard | the testing boot.iso -- I like the new installer |
| 05:27.39 | abrotman | compiling apache belongs in #apache |
| 05:27.43 | nougat | ah crap, I forgot apache2 doesn't use autoconf |
| 05:27.47 | bucky | no doubt |
| 05:28.08 | abrotman | or you could apt-get install apache2 |
| 05:28.22 | nougat | are you sure your gcc does x86-64 binaries? |
| 05:28.24 | MrNaz | abrotman this seems to be a problem with the installation of GCC, as it works fine on all other distros with the exact procedure im using now |
| 05:28.31 | bucky | oh great this is on amd64 |
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| 05:28.39 | MrNaz | nougat aah... no im not |
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| 05:28.52 | abrotman | MrNaz: and you're running unstable aren't you ? |
| 05:28.56 | MrNaz | nougat which is probably the issue... i was wondering why this broke randomly |
| 05:29.00 | MrNaz | abrotman no, sarge |
| 05:29.06 | MrNaz | just with a amd64 kernel image |
| 05:29.19 | MrNaz | nougat it broke about the time i started using the updated kernel image |
| 05:29.21 | bucky | bwahahahah |
| 05:29.22 | abrotman | sarge has gcc4 ? |
| 05:29.23 | MrNaz | which makes sense |
| 05:29.50 | bucky | abrotman: amd64 does i think.. has to |
| 05:29.55 | abrotman | ok .. |
| 05:30.12 | MrNaz | abrotman no im using the one sarge has which obviouslydoesnt compile amd64 binaries |
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| 05:30.26 | abrotman | MrNaz: gcc --version ? |
| 05:30.40 | abrotman | MrNaz: cat /proc/version |
| 05:30.50 | MrNaz | naz@mrnaz:~/httpd-2.0.55$ uname -r |
| 05:30.50 | MrNaz | 2.6.8-12-amd64-k8-smp |
| 05:30.50 | MrNaz | naz@mrnaz:~/httpd-2.0.55$ gcc --version |
| 05:30.50 | MrNaz | gcc (GCC) 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13) |
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| 05:31.06 | nougat | ya, try a later version of gcc...4.x |
| 05:31.13 | abrotman | didn't he say gcc4 wasn't working right ? |
| 05:31.19 | nougat | doh |
| 05:31.20 | bucky | how about #debian-amd64 |
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| 05:31.41 | nougat | too bad amd doesn't write compilers like intel does |
| 05:31.42 | abrotman | MrNaz: how about just those two lines .. and NOT uname -r .. cat /proc/version |
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| 05:32.00 | bucky | nougat: why.. debian-amd64 kicks ass |
| 05:32.16 | nougat | bucky: because it's nice to have another compiler sometimes... |
| 05:32.18 | abrotman | MrNaz: or use #flood |
| 05:32.48 | yggdrasil | hey pipeline are you around ? |
| 05:33.04 | abrotman | doubtful .. it's late for him |
| 05:33.08 | bucky | nougat: the Intel compiler is not free |
| 05:33.17 | nougat | bucky: true dat |
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| 05:33.46 | joseph | 640x480, which one is height and which one is width? |
| 05:34.02 | MrNaz | joseph 640w 480h |
| 05:34.05 | xhaan | 640 = width |
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| 05:34.49 | xesark | debian in spanish |
| 05:34.53 | xesark | in what channel plz |
| 05:35.04 | Eddie | i have a few open ports, when trying to close them with "/etc/init.d/"" stop" it cant stop the running process or when i try "killall"app" it still wont work, can anybody help? |
| 05:35.27 | abrotman | !es |
| 05:35.27 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 05:35.30 | jbroome | Eddie: what's open? |
| 05:35.42 | Eddie | 25/tcp open smtp |
| 05:35.42 | Eddie | 111/tcp open rpcbind |
| 05:35.42 | Eddie | 113/tcp open auth |
| 05:35.42 | Eddie | 759/tcp open con |
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| 05:36.11 | BullWeivel | how can i use apt to grab an older package? the libdevmapper1.01 that is currently on testing is breaking Lilo...so i want to go back a version and see if that fixes it...how can i do that ??? |
| 05:36.17 | jbroome | pwnt by debhelper |
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| 05:36.42 | Eddie | smtp/rpcbind/auth/con |
| 05:36.53 | abrotman | Eddie: auth is identd in inetd.conf .. rpcbind is portmapper(uninstall if you don't use nfs) |
| 05:37.03 | stew | BullWeivel: apt-get install package=version ; if its not still in the pool then /msg dpkg sdn ; you should check for a fix in the bts though /msg dpkg bts |
| 05:37.11 | abrotman | !beer stew |
| 05:37.31 | Eddie | abrotman: how can i untinstall portmapper? |
| 05:37.39 | regeya | I'm looking for information on a rather obscure language known as M$ |
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| 05:38.10 | abrotman | Eddie: just like you uninstall everything else |
| 05:38.34 | Eddie | im running commandline |
| 05:38.40 | aaron | anyone here familiar with usleep() or nanosleep() ? |
| 05:38.43 | Eddie | what would be the command to uninstall it? |
| 05:38.47 | abrotman | are you serious? |
| 05:38.50 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 05:38.50 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "docs", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 05:39.04 | nougat | aaron: what's the mystery? |
| 05:39.30 | aaron | I am getting some inaccurate results because the funcs are taking too long to wake the thread |
| 05:39.32 | abrotman | Eddie: man apt-get |
| 05:39.36 | stew | abrotman: thank you. have you had dogfishhead? its good stuff |
| 05:39.39 | aaron | is there any way to remidy this? |
| 05:39.47 | aaron | or do i have to switch os's to a real time system? |
| 05:39.51 | nougat | aaron: bingo |
| 05:40.05 | abrotman | stew: yeah .. i've had worse :) |
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| 05:40.05 | nougat | or an algorithm that doesn't care so much about time precision |
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| 05:40.31 | aaron | are there decent linux flavors that accomplish this? |
| 05:40.36 | stew | abrotman: i've had 2 of the 60 minute IPAs tonight, they are the current local favorite |
| 05:40.47 | nougat | you could try using a preemptible kernel via the experimental kernel compile option |
| 05:40.48 | abrotman | stew: local == you? :) |
| 05:41.10 | aaron | that's in the 2.4 kernel? |
| 05:41.15 | aaron | 2.4.x rather |
| 05:41.23 | nougat | don't think so...been a while since I've used 2.4 |
| 05:41.43 | nougat | tbh if you're caring about nanosleep precision you're beyond the assistance of a non-realtime OS |
| 05:41.50 | abrotman | aaron: you could try 2.6 .. but also .. maybe QNX is more what you're looking for ? |
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| 05:41.57 | nougat | the only other thing you could do is massively upgrade your hardware |
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| 05:42.24 | aaron | like i'm just trying to reach a high packet per second but still be precise while doing it |
| 05:42.26 | abrotman | aaron: google for "real time linux" |
| 05:43.01 | aaron | if i call usleep or nanosleep i get like 22kb/s on it and if i don't call i get max upstream which isnt' good on cpu or bandwidth |
| 05:43.12 | aaron | k |
| 05:43.36 | nougat | aaron: you could try moderating the rate at which you write()... |
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| 05:43.56 | nougat | or you could try using kernel rate limiters via iptables |
| 05:44.26 | aaron | hmm moderate the rate of write()? |
| 05:44.43 | nougat | aaron: keep track of the number of bytes you've written in the last n seconds |
| 05:44.59 | nougat | take the average, and if you're over your target write rate write less |
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| 05:45.30 | nougat | or you could use the connrate iptables module |
| 05:45.55 | aaron | k ill check that out thanks |
| 05:46.05 | nougat | correction, limit iptables module, connrate is the wrong module |
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| 05:48.04 | Azar | morons: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/03/24/tuttle_centos/ |
| 05:48.48 | deadcat | ^^ everyone is reading this lately (= |
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| 05:49.36 | abrotman | that's because Azar reads lots of slashdot :) |
| 05:49.39 | MrNaz | deadcat theregister is a small notch above slashdot |
| 05:49.41 | Azar | I just bumped by chance over it |
| 05:50.04 | Azar | abrotman, no OS news is my usual reading site |
| 05:50.07 | deadcat | MrNaz: what the f you talking abou? i read it from a mailist list. (= |
| 05:50.42 | regeya | I'm being told that just the words 'dcc' and 'send', when put together on one line, constitute an exploit...can someone point me toward some shred of supporting evidence? |
| 05:50.51 | Azar | I do not even have an email on my box |
| 05:51.07 | MrNaz | deadcat heh its a funny story nonetheless |
| 05:51.28 | regeya | if it is, it must be damn hard to tell someone to do a dcc...uh...hehe |
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| 05:51.42 | deadcat | MrNaz: i didnt even know computer existed 22 years ago |
| 05:51.49 | regeya | o_O |
| 05:52.03 | Azar | :) |
| 05:52.16 | Azar | like I thought: the guy is a moron |
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| 05:52.36 | suyog | can anyone tell me how to make my mounted hard disk partitons at computer://// |
| 05:52.53 | deadcat | suyog: whats computer://// ? |
| 05:52.58 | ireverentreveren | !sources |
| 05:52.58 | dpkg | If you have problems adding unofficial sites to /etc/apt/sources.list, try "deb URL ./" or 'man 5 sources.list' or woody: 'deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian woody main contrib non-free' or woody non-us: 'deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free', or use apt-setup in package base-config to configure your sources.list, or examples: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list, |
| 05:53.00 | Azar | must feel good to work as an IT in a moron-free environment |
| 05:53.11 | suyog | that "computer" icon on gnome desktop |
| 05:53.25 | deadcat | no clue |
| 05:53.33 | suyog | ah... |
| 05:54.03 | bjb | suyog, it's hard to tell what you're asking |
| 05:54.12 | bjb | suyog, do you want to partition your hard disk? |
| 05:54.20 | Azar | hmmm woody still uses the non-us sources.. interesting |
| 05:54.20 | bjb | suyog, do you want to mount an existing partition? |
| 05:54.25 | Stevie-O | at computer://// |
| 05:54.27 | Stevie-O | ! |
| 05:54.50 | suyog | i have mounted it |
| 05:54.56 | bjb | suyog, Stevie-O, well, that too. "computer:///" doesn't correspond to anything we recognize |
| 05:55.18 | suyog | it's set to automount. i wish it would appear as a "volume" like it does in ubuntu |
| 05:55.24 | bjb | suyog, do you have a terminal handy? If so, what does the df command say? |
| 05:55.27 | Azar | "computer:///" extraterestrial object |
| 05:55.31 | nougat | do you want an icon to appear on your desktop when you mount a hdd? |
| 05:55.48 | deadcat | maybe #debian-gnome ? |
| 05:55.55 | suyog | i want to make the computer treat the mounted hard disk partition as a removable media. |
| 05:56.12 | abrotman | deadcat: try again |
| 05:56.15 | abrotman | !#gnome |
| 05:56.15 | dpkg | The gnome IRC channel is #gnome at irc.gnome.org, or for debian gnome related use #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
| 05:56.17 | bjb | suyog, so you want to be able to unmount it? |
| 05:56.19 | unstable | Azar: get a job at google. |
| 05:56.20 | deadcat | abrotman: hell no. aint my problem |
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| 05:56.28 | suyog | /dev/hda5 10070904 1783480 8287424 18% /mnt/win_d |
| 05:56.30 | Azar | interesting, it also could have an ejectable button too |
| 05:56.33 | suyog | that's what df command says |
| 05:56.40 | Azar | unstable, why so? |
| 05:56.44 | bjb | suyog, removable media usually has "hotplug" events associated with inserting/removing - but that won't happen with hard drive |
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| 05:56.52 | unstable | 06:53 < Azar> must feel good to work as an IT in a moron-free environment |
| 05:57.02 | suyog | i see. |
| 05:57.18 | suyog | bjb can u tell me the difference between hal and udev? which is better? |
| 05:57.18 | bjb | suyog, the only way the hard drive will correspond to "removable media" is if you mount/unmount it - and since there aren't "events" to trigger that you would do it manually |
| 05:57.31 | bjb | suyog, or if you set it up, you could make it happen when you click on something |
| 05:57.40 | Azar | I'd rather volunteer for Debian... Google has CEO I hate CEO's smell |
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| 05:58.05 | bjb | suyog, I'm kind of fuzzy on those still |
| 05:58.05 | suyog | i could set up shortcuts to trigger the mounting |
| 05:58.22 | bjb | suyog, I think they work together (haldaemon and udev) |
| 05:58.25 | suyog | thanks, bjb, i'll try to set up a trigger, like u said |
| 05:58.38 | bjb | suyog, you're welcome and good luck |
| 05:58.53 | bjb | suyog, shouldn't be too difficult |
| 05:59.01 | suyog | i hope so!! :) |
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| 06:00.58 | isilzha | hi. i upgraded to sid and everything seems to work just fine now. with one big exception though... either kde or gnome will freeze after an arbitrary amount of time. can anybody please help me to find a solution to this? |
| 06:01.19 | nougat | isilzha: how hot does your system get? |
| 06:01.32 | nougat | and are you running SATA? |
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| 06:02.07 | ootput | hey guys, in c, how do say, if the input wasn't a letter (either lower/uppercase), to do something |
| 06:02.20 | ootput | input from getchar() |
| 06:02.24 | isilzha | nougat: how would i find out? |
| 06:02.38 | Eddie | update-inetd --disable smtp |
| 06:02.39 | Eddie | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:03.14 | nougat | temperature: cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM |
| 06:03.22 | suyog | what's the difference betn udev and hotplug? |
| 06:03.29 | isilzha | nougat: but actually i doubt it's the heat. i left it running for several hours in a locked state. it didn't freeze then. so i assume it only happens if ther is interaction |
| 06:03.54 | Kristian_ | ootput: test it with isalpha() |
| 06:03.58 | nougat | SATA: serial ATA...umm... |
| 06:04.17 | nougat | lsscsi might tell you if you see an ATA disk |
| 06:04.55 | nougat | what your hdd's device name |
| 06:04.55 | BullWeivel | what is the easiest way to get information from a machine. For example I want to know how much RAM, hard drive space (even if not mounted), processors, and etc. I have shell access to the box but not physical access (right now i dont have physical access) Basicaly im trying to pull an inventory of what the hardware is. |
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| 06:04.59 | isilzha | noughat: that directory does not exist |
| 06:05.22 | isilzha | *nougat sorry |
| 06:05.34 | nougat | isilzha: modprobe thermal |
| 06:06.34 | ootput | Kristian_: cool |
| 06:06.38 | ootput | Kristian_: that's in ctype.h? |
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| 06:07.19 | Kristian_ | ootput: yes |
| 06:07.20 | isilzha | nougat:what should i do with the output? |
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| 06:07.44 | ootput | Kristian_: if i wanted to say, if it's either a lower-case or upper-case letter 'A', to print it in a different way |
| 06:07.49 | nougat | of /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM? |
| 06:07.49 | ootput | Kristian_: eg. as a 4 |
| 06:07.50 | ireverentreveren | is there a tool to select the fastest apt-source and use that? |
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| 06:08.06 | nougat | err |
| 06:08.10 | nougat | thats a directory |
| 06:08.41 | tslearn | hello,i am a new comer in the linux world |
| 06:08.41 | nougat | you want /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM/temperature , sorry about that |
| 06:09.24 | nougat | you could also look in /var/log/kern.log, /var/log/messages, etc for signs of a kernel panic, btw |
| 06:09.32 | tslearn | i want to know how to install the chinese input in the linux |
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| 06:10.42 | Kristian_ | ootput: well... I'm not sure I know what you mean, but... if (c == 'a' || c=='A') ... ; ? all of this is pretty trivial |
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| 06:11.04 | yggdrasil | hey pipeline are you around ? |
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| 06:14.04 | MrBIOS- | are there any tools that will help me determine WHICH process is causing disk IO? |
| 06:14.07 | isilzha | nougat: unfortunately he still doesn't like that dir. for the logs: i can't really find anything suspicious by looking at them. is there anything specific i should be lokking for? |
| 06:14.09 | ootput | Kristian_: yeah |
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| 06:14.44 | ootput | Kristian_: but i was wondering if there was a way to make a and A the same, as in, without having to use an || condition |
| 06:14.50 | nougat | isilzha: if you saw something like "Oops" followed by a stack trace, that would be an indication of a kernel flaw |
| 06:16.12 | isilzha | nougat: no `Oops` there |
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| 06:17.01 | Kristian_ | ootput: can't remember if there is something premade for that. |
| 06:18.07 | bjb | ootput, Kristian_: toupper(3) or tolower(3) |
| 06:18.51 | bjb | ootput, Kristian_, also it's handy to know that each lower-case letter differs in one bit from its upper-case equivalent |
| 06:19.15 | isilzha | nougat: about the temp: 75 C. indeed appears to be a bit high... |
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| 06:19.43 | bjb | ootput, Kristian_, 'a' is 0x61 while 'A' is 0x41 (see ascii(7)) |
| 06:19.53 | Lugae | Hi! I'd like to make the transition from testing to unstable. I realize that I won't really be able to go back, which is fine, and the best instructions I can find are to update my sources list from testing to unstable (which seemed obvious). Are there any other pitfalls that I should be aware of or steps that I may want to take? |
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| 06:21.04 | Kristian_ | bjb: yes I know this. |
| 06:21.06 | bjb | Lugae, save the output of dpkg --get-selections to a file where you won't lose it, so you can revert to all the old versions if you have to. (not foolproof, but better than nothing) and save the contents of your /etc/ too |
| 06:21.24 | Lugae | gotcha |
| 06:22.24 | bjb | Lugae, oh, and maybe get a listing of all your modules (lsmod) and save that too - ensure your /etc/X11/xorg.conf (or equivalent) is in the /etc/ tarball |
| 06:22.54 | Lugae | k |
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| 06:24.15 | ootput | bjb: oh, fantastic |
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| 06:25.20 | isilzha | brb... |
| 06:26.28 | liable | Lugae: really, the only pitfalls are that it might break anything at anytime. other than that, theres not much to worry about. :) |
| 06:27.03 | neo_ | Hi, I was trying to change the boot sequence using Boot, however it crashes when I alter the Nmae of one of the options |
| 06:27.13 | neo_ | *name |
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| 06:27.33 | liable | wtf is BOOT? |
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| 06:27.48 | neo_ | The Gnaome boot configuration tool |
| 06:27.50 | bjb | Not BOOT! Boot! (I don't know either) |
| 06:28.12 | neo_ | Are you using Gnome? |
| 06:28.33 | Lugae | liable: hah |
| 06:28.40 | liable | no, why not just edit menu.lst? |
| 06:28.44 | bjb | Not me. KDE all the way. And I edit my init files by hand |
| 06:29.00 | neo_ | umm... I didn't know I could. |
| 06:29.15 | liable | neo_: what exactly are you trying to change?? |
| 06:29.36 | neo_ | the name of on eof the dual boot options |
| 06:29.42 | neo_ | Windows |
| 06:30.11 | liable | neo_: right, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and change the title field |
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| 06:30.36 | liable | (down the bottom of the file..) |
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| 06:33.46 | neo_ | Thankyou! |
| 06:34.04 | liable | np |
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| 06:35.23 | neo_ | Now the other problem I had was simple. I need to ensure that MySQL Apache and PHP all started at boot up |
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| 06:36.26 | liable | neo_: dpkg-reconfigure apache, enable the neccessary modules and yes to start at boot. mysql should start from an init script. |
| 06:36.45 | bjb | Eddie, did anyone answer yet? (re port 25 open after update-inetd --disable smtp ) |
| 06:36.47 | neo_ | Umm... |
| 06:37.10 | Eddie | not yet |
| 06:37.19 | bjb | Eddie, you need to restart the inetd service |
| 06:37.32 | bjb | Eddie, the update-inetd only changes what will happen next boot |
| 06:37.58 | neo_ | modules? I should mention that they are installed from a CD and so not the default packages. |
| 06:38.00 | Eddie | /etc/init.d/inetd disable |
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| 06:38.02 | Eddie | right? |
| 06:38.02 | bjb | Eddie, run /etc/init.d/inetd restart |
| 06:38.09 | Eddie | alright |
| 06:38.22 | karsten | deadcat: ping |
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| 06:38.44 | neo_ | I was kinda looking for the file that handles the commands to run on start up. |
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| 06:39.25 | liable | !services |
| 06:39.26 | dpkg | [services] to view and alter system services, use one or more of rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/, or /etc/services a port numbers list, or http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers, or |
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| 06:39.40 | De_Mon | neo_ update-rc.d? |
| 06:39.43 | Eddie | should smtp be closed? |
| 06:40.01 | De_Mon | Eddie is it an smtp server? |
| 06:40.08 | Eddie | no |
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| 06:40.15 | De_Mon | then it should be closed |
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| 06:40.28 | bjb | Eddie, if the only thing that opened port 25 was the smtp that is started from inet, then it should be closed after you restart inetd. |
| 06:40.39 | liable | Eddie: what mail server is running from inetd? |
| 06:40.40 | De_Mon | local mail delivery doesn't depend on port 25 (unless the program was written screwey) |
| 06:40.41 | neo_ | Hmm... |
| 06:40.44 | bjb | Eddie, but perhaps you have another MTA in daemon mode |
| 06:40.55 | neo_ | I'm not sure this is what I'm looking for. |
| 06:40.57 | Eddie | not sure how can i check? |
| 06:41.21 | bjb | Eddie, I take it you are running a standard Debian with no customizations to the MTA? |
| 06:41.29 | Eddie | thats it |
| 06:41.33 | bjb | If so, then you've probably got exim for your MTA |
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| 06:41.45 | Eddie | i uninstalled exi, |
| 06:41.48 | Eddie | exim* |
| 06:41.49 | bjb | Eddie, do a ps -efH | grep exim to see if you have any exim processes running |
| 06:42.03 | liable | Eddie: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config and set it to local only |
| 06:42.05 | tchino | when i start kde, i get always the message in my .xssession-errors, that xmodmap: commandline:1: bad number of buttons, must have 11 instead of 7 |
| 06:42.18 | Eddie | Debian- 979 1 0 17:19 ? 00:00:00 /usr/sbin/exim4 -bd -q30m |
| 06:42.18 | Eddie | root 1210 1040 0 19:26 pts/0 00:00:00 grep exim |
| 06:42.25 | tchino | and kde not start, what can i do? |
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| 06:43.38 | bjb | Eddie, if not, try lsof -i4:25 to see what process is actually listening on port 25 |
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| 06:44.26 | liable | Lugae: dont use away messages in here, you will get devoiced |
| 06:44.42 | bjb | Eddie, aha. try /etc/init.d/exim4 stop then |
| 06:45.12 | Eddie | ok, smtp is closed :) |
| 06:45.15 | Eddie | thanks for that |
| 06:45.20 | bjb | Funny, usually the debian packaging will kill off the process before uninstalling... or maybe that's when upgrading |
| 06:45.27 | bjb | you're welcome |
| 06:45.29 | liable | you realise you wont get system mail now?? |
| 06:45.56 | Eddie | yea, doesnt really bother me |
| 06:45.56 | bjb | Eddie, well liable has a good point |
| 06:47.11 | liable | if exim is configured for local mail only, it only listens on loopback.. ie, cant be hacked from the net.. |
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| 06:47.38 | Eddie | i edited exim to loopback |
| 06:47.41 | Cyorxamp | Would I be stupid for wanting to find a physical (i.e. I can see him/her and they can come round) linux expert in my area to assist me in getting things up and running on my machines? |
| 06:47.48 | Eddie | but that was the wrong file, it was exim4 |
| 06:48.14 | bjb | Cyorxamp, not stupid - look for Linux User Group in your area (LUG) |
| 06:50.01 | Cyorxamp | http://www.wylug.org.uk/ !!!!!!!!1 |
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| 06:56.59 | BullWeivel | so if you were an ISP... what free webmail product would you use?? Squirel Mail, Imp/Horde, sqwebmail, ?????? Just curious. |
| 06:57.16 | karsten | BullWeivel: Mutt ;-) |
| 06:57.24 | BullWeivel | karsten: LOL |
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| 06:57.31 | karsten | BullWeivel: /query dpkg popcon |
| 06:58.00 | karsten | BullWeivel: I think squirrel's got the userbase behind it. Most IPSs I've seen gin up their own. Maybe subcontract out of Google or another major. |
| 06:58.44 | BullWeivel | yeah i need to use something....right now were using IMP/Horde..and i like it, but i think its time for a change. |
| 06:59.04 | karsten | Well, you've already heard my first choice ;-) |
| 06:59.19 | karsten | I think webmail more or less precisely sucks. |
| 06:59.40 | karsten | I've used a number of clients in the past year, including T-Bird, Outlook, Yahoo mail, and mutt. |
| 06:59.50 | karsten | Guess which one I prefer ;-) |
| 06:59.59 | bjb | There's always vm.el |
| 07:00.01 | BullWeivel | with email...can you have a email server running both pop3 and IMAP ? I am just wondering what happens if you turn on both IMAP and POP3 and someone places their mail into a folder using webmail. then get home and try to get their pop3 client to download it. |
| 07:00.23 | neo_ | How do I install firefox ( the up to date version) |
| 07:00.25 | neo_ | ? |
| 07:00.28 | karsten | Well, MS Exchange typically supports both POP and IMAP. |
| 07:00.45 | karsten | neo_: aptitude install mozilla-firefox |
| 07:00.51 | karsten | !tell neo_ about search |
| 07:00.56 | neo_ | that's the old one |
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| 07:01.10 | BullWeivel | karsten: yeah i just don't want to be held liable for their emails... right now i have a few hunded customers and my vmail folder is only 750MB :) |
| 07:01.15 | karsten | neo_: Debian install's what in its current repos |
| 07:01.20 | valdyn | neo_: whats wrong with it? |
| 07:01.30 | neo_ | It's the older version |
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| 07:01.35 | neo_ | 1.5.1 |
| 07:01.38 | valdyn | neo_: so? |
| 07:01.39 | neo_ | is out |
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| 07:01.43 | MajinChewY | whats the debian command to choose what serverices i start with? |
| 07:01.49 | MajinChewY | services* |
| 07:01.56 | karsten | neo_: If you want something that's not in your release of debian (stable / testing / unstable / experimental), either climb the bleed curve of install from sources / tarballs. |
| 07:02.06 | MajinChewY | for the box to load on boot |
| 07:02.07 | MajinChewY | ? |
| 07:02.08 | bjb | neo_, are you using Debian stable or unstable? |
| 07:02.08 | karsten | s/of install/or install/ |
| 07:02.15 | neo_ | Stable |
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| 07:02.19 | karsten | MajinChewY: man update-rc.d |
| 07:02.23 | valdyn | MajinChewY: rcconf |
| 07:02.31 | karsten | valdyn: No shit? |
| 07:02.36 | neo_ | But I was using 1.5.1 on Ubuntu fine just recently |
| 07:02.40 | MajinChewY | where is that file /etc/,,,??? |
| 07:02.46 | bjb | neo_, if you want to run recent stuff, you need to be on unstable |
| 07:02.55 | karsten | !tell neo_ about ubuntu |
| 07:03.03 | neo_ | So when will the new one come out? |
| 07:03.06 | valdyn | karsten: hmm? |
| 07:03.06 | karsten | !tell neo_ about stable |
| 07:03.14 | bjb | neo_, don't worry: debian unstable is not that unstable. No worse than most other distro "releases" |
| 07:03.18 | karsten | neo_: in 12-24 months, most likely. |
| 07:03.26 | bjb | neo_, I use unstable |
| 07:03.30 | karsten | neo_: ... on stable. Read the bot factoid I just shot you. |
| 07:03.32 | neo_ | damn. Oh well I'll live |
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| 07:03.49 | kevix | karsten: has anyone announced the downtime of Debian/HP servers at 2006-03-25 1300h-2100h UTC? |
| 07:03.53 | karsten | neo_: Most desktop / laptop users tend toward testing or unstable. |
| 07:03.57 | karsten | kevix: NFC. |
| 07:04.10 | karsten | kevix: Context? |
| 07:04.18 | neo_ | Oh, I got this Debian from a CD, so I just installed it. |
| 07:04.45 | karsten | neo_: ...there's some very good docs on the Debian website. One sec... Or /query dpkg newbie guide. |
| 07:05.00 | bjb | neo_, you need to change /etc/apt/sources.list to have some unstable sources, then update. Don't do that unless you have broadband :-) |
| 07:05.11 | kevix | karsten: on -devel it was announced and affect stuff some folks may wonder why its not working? |
| 07:05.12 | karsten | neo_: Er. newbie-guide. |
| 07:05.20 | karsten | bjb: Or the patience of a saint. |
| 07:05.24 | bjb | yes |
| 07:05.34 | BullWeivel | silly question...how can i tell what version of debian im running? ie sarge, sid, potato, woody...blah blah |
| 07:05.36 | liable | hehe |
| 07:05.36 | karsten | kevix: NFC. |
| 07:05.44 | bjb | and your family has to have the patience of a saint too, if you're on dialup |
| 07:05.53 | karsten | BullWeivel: cat /etc/apt/sources.list and check your pinning. |
| 07:05.59 | valdyn | BullWeivel: if you system is sane /etc/debian_version |
| 07:06.02 | karsten | bjb: I come from a very good family. |
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| 07:06.11 | karsten | bjb: ... which is why I live by myself.... |
| 07:06.28 | weasel00 | is it nessesary to install susecex on a firewall? |
| 07:06.39 | karsten | valdyn: I've heard mixed stories on that. |
| 07:06.54 | karsten | weasel00: I don't beleive so, given I've never heard of it. |
| 07:07.05 | MajinChewY | ok let me ask this question instead |
| 07:07.14 | karsten | weasel00: WTF is susecex? |
| 07:07.16 | MajinChewY | where is the linux file that determines what daemons load on boot |
| 07:07.18 | bjb | karsten: you have dial-up? /me gawks |
| 07:07.33 | karsten | MajinChewY: /etc/init.d/rcS.d |
| 07:07.34 | valdyn | MajinChewY: read the README in /etc/init.d/ |
| 07:07.37 | karsten | bjb: No. |
| 07:07.41 | bjb | :-) |
| 07:07.43 | karsten | bjb: I'm on my neighbor's wireless ;-) |
| 07:07.48 | neo_ | bjb, I have ADSL, so what are the change si would need to make to the file |
| 07:07.49 | bjb | lol |
| 07:07.51 | weasel00 | karsten : i was just curious.. seemed a bit extreme =) |
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| 07:07.58 | kevix | MajinChewY: google for 'runlevel' |
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| 07:08.10 | GPLGeek | Good night everyone |
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| 07:08.13 | karsten | bjb: That said, I *have* done installs and updates on dialup. |
| 07:08.31 | karsten | weasel00: Um. OK. apt-cache find doesn't return anything though. |
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| 07:08.46 | bjb | karsten, well that's where patience and outside activities come in handy |
| 07:08.47 | karsten | weasel00: ... nor does google. |
| 07:08.54 | kreg_work | trying to lookup how to "un-highlight" searched patternes in vim. anyone got a clue? |
| 07:08.59 | neo_ | bjb ? |
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| 07:09.02 | karsten | bjb: I find sleep is an awfully good way to pass the time. |
| 07:09.05 | BullWeivel | any ideas on how to get around this? i did apt-get install nfs-common and received this: dpkg: error processing nfs-common (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
| 07:09.10 | weasel00 | *boggle* |
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| 07:09.38 | bjb | neo_, I guess you have cdrom sources in your sources.list? |
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| 07:10.05 | weasel00 | karsten : typo* susexec |
| 07:10.09 | bjb | neo_, you probably need to read the docs that karsten sent you. It will be time well spent |
| 07:10.36 | MajinChewY | ok i see how to use update-rc.d |
| 07:10.47 | MajinChewY | but how do i find out the exact name of the scripts being run |
| 07:10.50 | karsten | BullWeivel: Run the postinst script manually and debug. |
| 07:11.15 | BullWeivel | karsten: do what? uhhh... |
| 07:11.16 | valdyn | !spoonfeed MajinChewY |
| 07:11.16 | dpkg | Silly MajinChewY, Unix tricks are for bots. |
| 07:11.20 | neo_ | yep CD |
| 07:11.25 | kevix | MajinChewY: THE script are in /etc/init.d/* |
| 07:11.27 | MajinChewY | for instance i want to take out appletalk |
| 07:11.45 | neo_ | Oh and one final question, if it's not to much trouble, how do I remove KDE entirely? |
| 07:11.47 | karsten | BullWeivel: 'bash -x /var/lib/dpkg/info/nfs-common.postinst |
| 07:11.53 | valdyn | !remove kde |
| 07:11.53 | dpkg | [remove kde] apt-get --purge remove kdelibs (or ask me about "install kde") |
| 07:12.10 | kevix | MajinChewY: appletalk is netatalk |
| 07:12.31 | GenNMX|Thrae | MajinChewY: apt-get remove netatalk -- if you're not using it, might as well uninstall it. |
| 07:12.33 | karsten | MajinChewY: The daemon run system is called sysvinit. It's controlled by the scripts in /etc/init.d, and specifically the runlevel links in etc/rc?.d/. |
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| 07:13.07 | GenNMX|Thrae | AppleTalk annoyed me too on my first debian install, that daemon takes FOREVER to load. |
| 07:13.08 | neo_ | Okay thanks |
| 07:13.28 | karsten | MajinChewY: It's based on AT&T's Unix System V init, as opposed to BSD init. You can use update-rc.d or rcconf to automate handling. Or as GenNMX|Thrae suggested, remove unwanted daemons. |
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| 07:13.50 | MajinChewY | is netatalk the name of the appletalk daemon? |
| 07:13.59 | kevix | MajinChewY: yes |
| 07:14.12 | weasel00 | bwahahaha.. just figured out why my ssl wasnt working... i didnt have the port forwarding setup on the gateway.. and i just reinstalled the server too lmfao |
| 07:14.12 | karsten | MajinChewY: apt-cache show netatalk; apt-cache search appletalk |
| 07:14.17 | kevix | MajinChewY: you HAVE used google before? |
| 07:14.37 | karsten | kevix: What's google? |
| 07:14.45 | weasel00 | !google |
| 07:14.45 | dpkg | hmm... google is a search engine owned by Google Inc. whose mission statement is to "organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful." The largest search engine on the web, Google receives over 200 million queries each day through its various services. It's website can be found at http://www.google.com |
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| 07:14.51 | weasel00 | =) |
| 07:14.59 | GenNMX|Thrae | Google is a porn search engine, right? |
| 07:15.03 | BullWeivel | karsten: The post install script isnt telling me anything. Starting NFS common utilities: statdinvoke-rc.d: initscript nfs-common, action "restart" failed. |
| 07:15.03 | BullWeivel | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:15.04 | kevix | weasel00: maybe he's in .cn? |
| 07:15.10 | karsten | GenNMX|Thrae: No, that's Booble. |
| 07:15.23 | karsten | BullWeivel: Run it with 'bash -x' |
| 07:15.31 | karsten | BullWeivel: That shows commands as they're being evaluated. |
| 07:15.37 | GenNMX|Thrae | kevix: Except Google recently modified their search engine to work within the confinds of the Great Firewall Of China ;) |
| 07:15.39 | BullWeivel | bash -x /var/lib/dpkg/info/nfs-common.postinst |
| 07:15.50 | karsten | BullWeivel: If all else fails, add a 'true' as the last line of the script to force a successful exit. |
| 07:15.51 | weasel00 | GenNMX|Thrae : nod @ kevix |
| 07:16.00 | karsten | BullWeivel: Right. |
| 07:16.09 | karsten | BullWeivel: /msg dpkg paster and paste output if you need help |
| 07:16.12 | BullWeivel | karsten: yeah that is what i ran :( |
| 07:16.19 | liable | remove set -e?? |
| 07:16.20 | karsten | BullWeivel: Paste output then. |
| 07:16.44 | karsten | liable: Could be. |
| 07:16.54 | GenNMX|Thrae | Hey, Booble really IS an Adult Search Engine! How'd thunk it. |
| 07:17.02 | weasel00 | google.cn looks neat with all the chinese |
| 07:17.02 | yooser | really? |
| 07:17.04 | karsten | GenNMX|Thrae: ;-) |
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| 07:17.22 | karsten | GenNMX|Thrae: Don't ask me how I knew that. |
| 07:17.34 | MajinChewY | bleh i should have done a base install then apt-get apache/mysql4 |
| 07:17.35 | GenNMX|Thrae | karsten: You're on IRC, enough said. |
| 07:17.35 | weasel00 | wow it is pulling different sites... huh |
| 07:17.44 | karsten | GenNMX|Thrae: heh. |
| 07:17.50 | liable | haha |
| 07:17.51 | yooser | do they have ascii porn? i have lynx |
| 07:17.58 | weasel00 | yooser : yes |
| 07:18.02 | yooser | coo |
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| 07:18.18 | GenNMX|Thrae | One of the "Windows help" channels I'm in has a bot which gives a random link to porn every 15 minutes. |
| 07:18.25 | serfurj | is there an apt-get install history log? |
| 07:18.40 | kevix | what is even cooler is that booble is generated with lisp, postgres and emacs! |
| 07:18.42 | weasel00 | that to help "destress" while deaing with bluescreens? |
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| 07:18.51 | weasel00 | GenNMX|Thrae : ^^^ |
| 07:18.53 | karsten | GenNMX|Thrae: Y'know, that's probably more useful than most of the "help" you get there. |
| 07:18.58 | liable | serfurj: aptitude has a log, also later versions of dpkg |
| 07:19.02 | BullWeivel | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2230. |
| 07:19.28 | GenNMX|Thrae | karsten: It's all relevant -- links to a different form of people taking it in the ass. |
| 07:19.28 | liable | serfurj: later=>sarge |
| 07:19.32 | serfurj | liable: i'm looking for something like gentoo's world file |
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| 07:19.38 | liable | serfurj: nfc |
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| 07:20.15 | kevix | serfurj: is that what updates all the packages? |
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| 07:21.02 | karsten | GenNMX|Thrae: On-topic! |
| 07:21.11 | djs_2_6 | Evening all. Can anyone help me set up and use rarp and tftp? |
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| 07:21.29 | serfurj | kevix: the world file contains all packages you've installed using emerge, without the dependencies that were pulled in |
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| 07:21.56 | snowrichard | am I in #gentoo? :) |
| 07:21.59 | kevix | serfurj: then try 'dpkg --get-selections' or 'dpkg -l' |
| 07:22.22 | kevix | snowrichard: serfurj is looking for a gentoo->debian translation |
| 07:22.50 | serfurj | kevix: but that lists the dependencies too |
| 07:23.09 | snowrichard | anyway I've just done a new install and wonder if someone can get my test page at http://debian.richardsnow.net to test firewall settings. |
| 07:23.12 | serfurj | seems like apt-get should have a log file |
| 07:23.24 | BullWeivel | ascii porn LOL i once was using ascii porn to test out a hyrda fax setup at work... i was sending the faxes to my home fax machine from the hyrdafax box. For some reason the fax machine that was on the same line i was sending out was grabbing the images.. needless to say on Monday I almost got fired.... it was hilarious though. stupid ascii porn....thats what i get for working on shit at 3am on a Saturady |
| 07:23.59 | liable | serfurj: as i said, aptitude does. use it if you need a log. |
| 07:24.06 | kevix | serfurj: huh? the logs are in /var/log/dpkg.log. what do you mean 'dpkg --get-selections' lists dependencies? |
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| 07:24.39 | djs_2_6 | snowrichard - This is what I got "Hello world |
| 07:24.39 | djs_2_6 | MyData: this is a test " |
| 07:24.48 | snowrichard | cool |
| 07:25.08 | djs_2_6 | snowrichard - Is that what you wanted? |
| 07:25.13 | snowrichard | just set up php5 and mysql5 |
| 07:25.32 | djs_2_6 | Gotcha |
| 07:26.04 | serfurj | kevix: i don't have /var/log/dpkg.log. 'dpkg --get-selections' lists a bunch of libraries that i didn't install manually, they were pulled in as dependencies to some other package i was installing |
| 07:26.09 | kevix | serfurj: if I understand you correctly, there is not listing of what you selected to install minus 'dependencies'. there is only the combined list. |
| 07:26.10 | aldux | hola |
| 07:26.18 | aldux | español alli ? |
| 07:26.27 | karsten | !es |
| 07:26.27 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 07:26.30 | serfurj | kevix: yep |
| 07:26.42 | aldux | sabes que es |
| 07:26.42 | liable | karsten: srages dpkg doesnt log to file. |
| 07:26.47 | liable | kevix: ^^ |
| 07:26.57 | aldux | ANDATE A LA CHUCHA DE TU MADRE |
| 07:27.13 | liable | aldux: /j #debian-es |
| 07:27.15 | kevix | aldux: dios mio! |
| 07:27.34 | aldux | KEVIX SOLO DIME ALDUX |
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| 07:27.44 | aldux | jaj |
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| 07:28.45 | kevix | serfurj: aptitude has a state file IIRC that may list some more info about 'automatically' installed packages but not dpkg or apt-get. |
| 07:28.49 | aldux | cuando los mierdas que hablan ingles ..enytran a paginas españolas se les ayuda |
| 07:29.32 | aldux | lo obvio espensar que el mierda gringo es muy huevon |
| 07:29.33 | kevix | aldux: if no tiene un pregunta cera Debian.... |
| 07:29.33 | liable | aldux: ENGLISH or fuck off |
| 07:29.34 | cat | !es |
| 07:29.34 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 07:29.44 | serfurj | kevix: i don't normally use aptitude, but i'll keep that in mind. thanks. |
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| 07:30.02 | aldux | anadate a la chucha de tu madre |
| 07:30.21 | cat | haha chilean? |
| 07:30.33 | neo_ | I wish to change the repos from CD to download from online |
| 07:30.38 | aldux | no me gusta que me discriminen mierdas |
| 07:30.43 | neo_ | how do i do this? |
| 07:30.52 | cat | neo_: apt-setup |
| 07:30.54 | cyb0rg | Hello! I'm trying to configure the linux kernel v-2.6.16 and I can't seem to be able to disable Generic IEEE 802.11 Networking Stack (symbol: IEEE80211). Help sais it's selected by HOSTAP && NET && !UML && NETDEVICES && NET_RADIO. I don't know what "HOSTAP" and "UML" refere to.. |
| 07:30.57 | neo_ | k |
| 07:31.03 | liable | !ops aldux doesnt get the hint to go to #debian-es |
| 07:31.03 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: aldux doesnt get the hint to go to #debian-es |
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| 07:31.10 | neo_ | also I am offended by the swearing |
| 07:31.20 | cat | neo_: huh what swearing? |
| 07:31.21 | neo_ | tu madre es loca!!! |
| 07:31.24 | djs_2_6 | Adios aldux |
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| 07:31.31 | deeee | Hi. trying to install knoppix but my board is to old to boot from cd. Can i boot the cd from a floppy? |
| 07:31.35 | aldux | jaja |
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| 07:31.43 | cat | deeee: go to #knoppix |
| 07:31.44 | helix | oh oops |
| 07:31.44 | liable | neo_: so leave then or go to #ubuntu |
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| 07:31.51 | cyb0rg | any ideas ? |
| 07:31.56 | liable | helix: thankyou |
| 07:31.56 | deeee | cat: thanks |
| 07:31.59 | kevix | serfurj: /var/lib/aptitude/pkgstates |
| 07:32.00 | cat | np |
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| 07:32.07 | cat | oh boy florida tonight sure it's cold |
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| 07:32.19 | liable | cold in florida? |
| 07:32.24 | helix | cat: aren't you in miami? how cold can it be down there? |
| 07:32.26 | helix | neo_: sorry |
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| 07:32.29 | neo_ | what was that for? |
| 07:32.36 | neo_ | That's ok |
| 07:32.37 | cat | helix: let me check, |
| 07:32.42 | helix | neo_: misfire on my part (but please avoid spanish cursing anyway :)) |
| 07:32.46 | Miesco | I did umount -l /dev/hdd, Its unmounted but it wont eject |
| 07:32.47 | neo_ | lol ok |
| 07:32.58 | Miesco | eject: unable to eject, last error: Invalid argument |
| 07:33.17 | neo_ | umm... sorry I forgot what the answer to my question |
| 07:33.18 | cat | helix: 55F |
| 07:33.18 | serfurj | kevix: thanks |
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| 07:33.28 | streuner_ | that wasn't a mistake, he annoyed us. |
| 07:33.40 | helix | cat: yeah, they said it would be 37F here (NE florida) tonight but it's only 50 |
| 07:33.42 | neo_ | me? |
| 07:34.03 | Miesco | How do I get my CD out of there? |
| 07:34.06 | streuner_ | neo_: read /topic |
| 07:34.09 | kristalino | helix, in C ? |
| 07:34.16 | cat | but to us that's coldness we ain't us to coldness here this is the tropic the weather sure being really weird, these year, |
| 07:34.32 | helix | Miesco: there's a hole in the front of most cd player thingies, you can stick something in to eject it like that if it's really stuck |
| 07:34.37 | helix | like unfold a paper clip |
| 07:34.42 | helix | kristalino: no, F |
| 07:34.42 | kevix | Miesco: eject /dev/hdd |
| 07:35.00 | kristalino | helix, my question was how much is it in C ? :) |
| 07:35.02 | Miesco | Its not stuck |
| 07:35.09 | helix | kristalino: oh my bad, 10C |
| 07:35.13 | Miesco | kevix: It says this: eject: unable to eject, last error: Invalid argument |
| 07:35.17 | kristalino | ok :) |
| 07:35.38 | kristalino | not that much for florida isn't it ? |
| 07:35.48 | helix | it's a bit cool for late march |
| 07:35.50 | neo_ | So it was apt something to change the repos |
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| 07:35.56 | kevix | Miesco: did you use 'lsof' and see if anything is using it? |
| 07:35.57 | helix | apt-setup ? |
| 07:36.04 | neo_ | that's it thanks |
| 07:36.09 | Miesco | kevix: I used fuser |
| 07:37.04 | kevix | Miesco: are you in THE directory on the CD? try 'cd' then retry. |
| 07:37.08 | Miesco | kevix: Okay it says to put in the second disk so I had to change the disks |
| 07:37.16 | GNU_Style | how to run superkaramba in KDE 3.5.1 they say its included in the release? |
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| 07:37.35 | liable | GNU_Style: have you installed it? |
| 07:37.40 | Miesco | kevix: I put in another disk and go to okay, but I think its using the disk when it prompts you to put in the second disk |
| 07:37.51 | GNU_Style | yah |
| 07:37.59 | GNU_Style | I can run it via the console only |
| 07:38.06 | neo_ | apt-setup -> Command not found |
| 07:38.17 | kevix | GNU_Style: apt-get install superkaramba |
| 07:38.21 | liable | neo_: what version of debian?? |
| 07:38.32 | neo_ | Sarge, 3.1 |
| 07:38.34 | helix | neo_: as root? |
| 07:38.48 | neo_ | yep |
| 07:38.48 | helix | huh I don't have it either, wtf? |
| 07:38.51 | liable | neo_: make sure base-config is still installed. |
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| 07:39.01 | liable | helix: not in etch or sid anymore |
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| 07:39.14 | helix | that seems a bit daft |
| 07:39.17 | neo_ | Oh wait sorry not in root. |
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| 07:39.21 | liable | agreed |
| 07:39.30 | neo_ | now it works |
| 07:39.32 | helix | neo_: it should be in /usr/sbin, so |
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| 07:39.55 | helix | liable: I don't keep up with d-i -- do you know the reason it's not in there? |
| 07:40.22 | liable | helix: actually, i dont. not sure if theres a replacement in the works either. :( |
| 07:40.36 | helix | I shall investigate |
| 07:41.00 | neo_ | I thought I was just not using unstable but I was then I realised that the CD was a B.O.O.D |
| 07:41.03 | cat | i think you should lol :X |
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| 07:41.32 | djs_2_6 | Hello, can anyone help me with setting up and installing rarp/tftp? |
| 07:41.36 | liable | i guess reading base-config changelog is a start.. :) |
| 07:41.46 | weasel00 | !wifi |
| 07:41.46 | dpkg | it has been said that wifi is a silly name for 802.11b wireless networking. |
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| 07:41.51 | cat | djs_2_6: what seems to be the issue? |
| 07:42.07 | Miesco | Okay sweet I just used my other CDROM and it worked |
| 07:42.10 | streuner_ | Package: base-config Priority: optional |
| 07:42.11 | neo_ | BOOD == Bit out of Date, by the way |
| 07:42.27 | neo_ | lol |
| 07:42.28 | cat | so neo_ how do you know you're running sid? |
| 07:42.31 | djs_2_6 | cat - Well, I used synaptic to install rarpd and tftp and tftpd, but I have found no good instructions on how to set up rarp. |
| 07:42.36 | liable | streuner_: yeah, but why was apt-setup removed? |
| 07:42.36 | neo_ | I'm not |
| 07:42.50 | neo_ | sarge |
| 07:42.51 | djs_2_6 | cat - I am trying to do a diskless boot on a Sun Netra T1 105 server... |
| 07:43.31 | neo_ | What makes you think I'm using Sid? |
| 07:43.41 | streuner_ | liable: apt-setup working in unstable again, i have no idea what happened in the past |
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| 07:44.48 | cat | djs_2_6: http://www.debian.org/releases/3.0/i386/ch-install-methods.en.html |
| 07:44.51 | liable | streuner_: oh. i had it removed due conflicts, and others were saying no more apt-setup included in base-config.. guess its a farce. lemme re-install |
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| 07:45.38 | cat | should be there the doc that you need djs_2_6 on how to setup RARP |
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| 07:45.42 | liable | streuner_: erm, no longer there.. |
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| 07:45.43 | neo_ | Okay, so I have one last problem that is taking a while to find the answer for. |
| 07:45.55 | cat | neo_: what problem? |
| 07:45.59 | helix | there's an apt-mirror-setup udeb for the installer |
| 07:46.00 | neo_ | I need to know how to add a command for the system at bootup |
| 07:46.08 | liable | ah |
| 07:46.12 | cat | neo_: man update-rc.d |
| 07:46.14 | Delicates | what is nowday the best partitioning/formatting tool? |
| 07:46.21 | liable | still handy afterwards though |
| 07:46.24 | helix | but that's not anything you can run after the fact afaik |
| 07:46.32 | neo_ | cool. I must remember to use the man pages more often |
| 07:46.42 | liable | Delicates: cfdisk is pretty intuitive |
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| 07:46.46 | cat | neo_: don't worry |
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| 07:46.50 | helix | I miss cfdisk |
| 07:47.23 | liable | helix: why do you miss it? its still there.. |
| 07:47.35 | helix | liable: well the installer uses parted |
| 07:47.35 | streuner_ | knusper:/home/user# dpkg -S /sbin/cfdisk |
| 07:47.35 | streuner_ | util-linux: /sbin/cfdisk |
| 07:47.58 | liable | helix: ah, right. :) |
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| 07:48.43 | neo_ | I'm sorry, I'm still kinda lost |
| 07:48.50 | cat | with what? |
| 07:49.06 | neo_ | update-rc.d |
| 07:49.30 | streuner_ | liable: forget the last sentence, i was in a term of a server... |
| 07:49.38 | neo_ | I read the man but it's bit confusing |
| 07:49.38 | liable | streuner_: hah! |
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| 07:49.49 | cat | neo_: http://linuxcourse.rutgers.edu/lessons/lesson10/sec_9.html |
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| 07:50.33 | cat | it's a good page to started with, |
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| 07:50.54 | Atrocity | would shadow caching make agpgart freeze on bootup? |
| 07:51.11 | kevix | neo_: are you trying to run a script as part of the init scripts? |
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| 07:51.15 | neo_ | So I would have to write the script then tell this file to run it? |
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| 07:51.36 | cat | neo_: read the page first and then ask the questions, |
| 07:51.36 | neo_ | I'm just trying to start MySQL at startup |
| 07:51.49 | cat | neo_: mysql should started on boot, |
| 07:51.50 | liable | erm, yeah, there has to be a script in init.d for update-rc.d to work. |
| 07:52.00 | cat | neo_: try this /etc/init.d/mysql restart; |
| 07:52.05 | liable | d |
| 07:52.09 | djs_2_6 | cat - Thank you for that, but it does not tell me much specifically. I know about the ethers file, but not the sequence, and it does not say the sequence on the hosts file, either... |
| 07:52.13 | streuner_ | liable: sorry |
| 07:52.26 | kevix | neo_: /etc/init.d/README iirc is where you get the info to get a 'basic' script idea |
| 07:52.32 | liable | streuner_: no problem, was hoping you were right actually :) |
| 07:52.47 | neo_ | cat, I don't want to type that every time |
| 07:53.01 | helix | liable: btw, my investigtion leads me to believe this probably qualifies as some kind of bug |
| 07:53.09 | helix | don't hold my typos against me |
| 07:53.35 | liable | helix: oh really? base-config isnt even available atm in sid. |
| 07:53.43 | helix | no, base-config is gone |
| 07:54.04 | Delicates | liable: I'm not looking for automated... I'm looking for something comprehensive and enjoyable to use... I was considering qtparted |
| 07:54.08 | helix | and it appears that the only way to setup mirrors is during installation and that there's no automated way to do it after the fact |
| 07:54.23 | cat | neo_: i'm telling you. mysql should be ready to start when it's needed it, |
| 07:54.26 | liable | helix: oh, yeah. that sucks. |
| 07:54.37 | helix | yes :) |
| 07:54.39 | helix | or :( |
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| 07:54.52 | cat | neo_: try this cat /etc/init.d/mysql |
| 07:55.27 | liable | Delicates: then use qtparted, although iirc its not in sarge, but anyway, you need to use it from a live disk anyway (usually) |
| 07:55.55 | cat | is the init script from mysql there? |
| 07:56.04 | liable | helix: no explanation for the the reason? |
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| 07:56.41 | helix | no, kind of everyone going "err, hmm" |
| 07:56.43 | signature16 | whats the program that will change my desktop into a rotatable 3d box and each side is a desktop? |
| 07:56.46 | liable | i am feeling lazy.. /me miks helix for info :) |
| 07:56.51 | unix_infidel_ | 3d desktop. |
| 07:56.55 | liable | milks.. |
| 07:57.02 | weasel00 | !nic |
| 07:57.02 | dpkg | well, nic is (Network Interface Card) The NIC is an add-in board that enables a computer to connect to some form of computer network.. Network Information Center |
| 07:57.03 | helix | liable: I'm still trying to find out whether they realized this happened and what the justification is |
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| 07:57.16 | helix | liable: afaict they just moved apt-setup->apt-mirror-setup as a udeb and let it be |
| 07:57.18 | liable | heh, sounds like a bit of a cockup :) |
| 07:57.42 | magick211 | How do i setup xorg to use 100dpi fonts? I have the fonts installed and the font path listed in my xorg config file |
| 07:58.03 | magick211 | [magick211@myhost ~]$ xdpyinfo | grep resolution |
| 07:58.04 | magick211 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:58.10 | magick211 | Right now its still at 75 |
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| 07:58.21 | weasel00 | where is the eth conf? |
| 07:58.30 | streuner_ | magick211: try to 'put' the path in xorg config file (1st prior) |
| 07:58.33 | cat | weasel00: huh? |
| 07:58.34 | weasel00 | bah.. found it |
| 07:58.42 | liable | helix: funny, cause its quite a usefull app. especially here, its good to point people too.. |
| 07:58.46 | liable | anyway.. |
| 07:58.48 | helix | liable: word |
| 07:58.52 | helix | liable: I have plans to fix this |
| 07:59.00 | magick211 | Will try that, brb |
| 07:59.08 | liable | helix: :) |
| 07:59.09 | streuner_ | magick211: you have to restart X... |
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| 08:00.01 | liable | Delicates: did i say cfdisk was automated anyway? |
| 08:00.06 | theturtle | hi , quick question |
| 08:00.33 | theturtle | debian-sarge , is there a rc.local anywhere? i don't see one, can i just create it. i just need somewhere to throw a shell script i want to execute on boot |
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| 08:00.43 | liable | !rclocal |
| 08:00.47 | theturtle | where should i put this if debian doens't have a /etc/rc.local |
| 08:00.47 | liable | !rc.local |
| 08:00.47 | dpkg | rc.local is probably the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
| 08:01.12 | theturtle | or or or or :D |
| 08:01.17 | theturtle | k thats alotta ors :D |
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| 08:01.22 | helix | "a hack for lazy people ... now do all this other complicated shit instead, it's way l33ter!!!" |
| 08:01.32 | yooser | lol |
| 08:01.33 | magick211 | Same thing, still at 75 dpi |
| 08:01.37 | liable | hehe |
| 08:02.17 | streuner_ | knusper:/home/user# xdpyinfo | grep resolution resolution: 100x100 dots per inch |
| 08:02.26 | unix_infidel | helix: i felt the exact same way :P |
| 08:02.30 | liable | theturtle: just make a simple script with #! /bin/bash; command you need; and use update-rc.d to link it to init2 |
| 08:02.34 | unix_infidel | heck i STILL feel the exact same way. |
| 08:02.34 | helix | no wonder people are always complaining about debian's init scripts |
| 08:02.49 | magick211 | [magick211@myhost ~]$ xdpyinfo | grep resolution |
| 08:02.49 | magick211 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:02.54 | helix | I don't remember doing any of that when I wanted to setup an init script, fwiw |
| 08:02.56 | MajinChewY | how can i test if my apacheserver is running the php module |
| 08:03.08 | helix | I think I just put it in rcS.d and symlinked it or something vaguely similar |
| 08:03.13 | unix_infidel | helix: no, <insert adjective here> people are complaining about debians init scripts. |
| 08:03.15 | magick211 | Maybe its a bug in xorg7 |
| 08:03.27 | magick211 | Its what i get for upgrading hahaha |
| 08:03.28 | helix | there are no bugs in xorg |
| 08:03.43 | helix | unix_infidel: pretty people? |
| 08:03.50 | liable | heck, you can even call it rc.local.. |
| 08:03.53 | helix | what ELSE do they have to complain about, after all |
| 08:04.17 | liable | apt-setup? |
| 08:04.31 | liable | :) |
| 08:04.47 | helix | apt-setup is mad controversial, yo |
| 08:04.53 | helix | wait did you just compliment me? |
| 08:05.24 | liable | i'm not sure :) |
| 08:05.37 | Acid`X | Is linux-image-2.6.16-1-686 working well with nvidia one-liner? |
| 08:05.51 | theturtle | name it /etc/rc3.d/Sxxrc.local ? |
| 08:06.07 | streuner_ | magick211: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2231 |
| 08:06.42 | liable | theturtle: stick it in /init.d and run update-rc.d on it. (but that should work..) |
| 08:07.09 | theturtle | ok i'm sorry, i thought update-rc.d did the opposite |
| 08:07.19 | Zugschlus | liable: exim's config type has nothing to do with the IP addresses exim listens on - it has a dedicated question for that |
| 08:07.21 | theturtle | init 2 rc |
| 08:07.27 | liable | theturtle: update-rc.d makes the symlinks for you. |
| 08:07.28 | theturtle | i thought it did rc 2 init |
| 08:07.31 | magick211 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:07.31 | magick211 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:07.32 | magick211 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:07.35 | theturtle | good deal |
| 08:07.38 | theturtle | thanks liable |
| 08:07.43 | liable | yw |
| 08:07.58 | unix_infidel | how does one get an invite to #economics |
| 08:08.08 | helix | get an MBA? |
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| 08:08.15 | liable | pay someone? :) |
| 08:08.17 | streuner_ | magick211: /msg dpkg experimental |
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| 08:08.27 | theturtle | nother dumb question, this script will be run as root ? |
| 08:08.48 | liable | yes |
| 08:08.48 | karsten | theturtle: Yes. |
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| 08:09.14 | unix_infidel | is it possible to get the /topic for a chan without having to be in the chan. |
| 08:09.23 | unix_infidel | for instance #economic |
| 08:09.26 | unix_infidel | economics* |
| 08:09.28 | karsten | theturtle: You can use 'su' within the script to execute commands as aonother user. Many daemons fork or drop permissions, or allow for a specified other user to run. |
| 08:09.43 | Atrocity | w00t! |
| 08:09.49 | theturtle | ok, granted |
| 08:09.51 | Atrocity | got my debian install going over FioS |
| 08:10.20 | peterS | unix_infidel: normally you just type "/topic #economics" but some channels have a flag set to force you to join first |
| 08:10.39 | djs_2_6 | Does anyone know how to set up and run rarp/rarpd ? |
| 08:10.43 | unix_infidel | peterS: ahh, crap. |
| 08:10.45 | kevix | liable: helix: info on base-config-- http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/all_this_for_a_progress_bar-2005-12-27-20-32.html |
| 08:10.55 | liable | ta |
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| 08:12.46 | nimak | peterS, "* #economics :You're not on that channel" |
| 08:12.48 | liable | kevix: still doesnt explain why removing base-config/ or leaving apt-setup in the repo.. :( |
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| 08:13.11 | peterS | nimak: uhh, didn't I mention that? "some channels have a flag set to force you to join first" |
| 08:13.22 | peterS | unix_infidel: just tell them they probably aren't any official government economic body, so according to freenode policy, they should rename to ##economics |
| 08:14.09 | peterS | though ##rsoup has a certain ring to it. (obPratchett: 'Interesting Times') |
| 08:14.18 | peterS | errr ... ##rsous |
| 08:14.18 | nimak | peterS, i was indicating that #economics is one of those channels |
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| 08:14.44 | nimak | how should someone find out how to be invited? |
| 08:15.16 | theturtle | sweet, my unlazy hack for rc.local works :D |
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| 08:17.18 | kevix | liable: I guess you'd have to ask joeyh -- maybe in #debian-devel |
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| 08:17.50 | Kupal[] | Linux on Sony Playstation 2 For sale not for download.? IS this a violation? |
| 08:18.18 | streuner_ | url? |
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| 08:18.29 | liable | kevix: i am too lazy :) besides i am quite comfortable editing sources.list, it just seems a shame to use a handy package (particularly for new users) |
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| 08:19.07 | liable | s/use/lose/ |
| 08:19.27 | weasel00 | docs on setting up a gateway with a dhcp wan that needs a login? |
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| 08:19.46 | liable | kevix: i imagine i would be shot down in flames in #debian-devel :) |
| 08:20.11 | kevix | Kupal[]: http://blackrhino.xrhino.com |
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| 08:20.34 | kevix | liable: I've traveled there.... and survived x-) |
| 08:21.00 | cromd | greetings all. I'm interested in accomodating "roaming profiles" as my boss has it at work in his windows network .... is there a Debian solution to this? |
| 08:21.20 | kevix | liable: you just have to bring a dead jackal as an offering to the gods! |
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| 08:22.36 | phyrster | when I use useradd -d /home/user user to add an user account, there is no /home/user directory created |
| 08:22.53 | phyrster | I have to manually mkdir that directory |
| 08:22.55 | phyrster | what gives? |
| 08:23.05 | phyrster | debian/sid |
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| 08:24.28 | peterS | phyrster: normally you use adduser rather than useradd - adduser is more user-friendly |
| 08:24.33 | peterS | phyrster: useradd is mainly for scripting |
| 08:24.48 | phyrster | peterS: I am actually setting up vsftpd |
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| 08:24.56 | phyrster | and the doc file tells me to do it. |
| 08:25.14 | phyrster | peterS: you know vsftpd? do i need to set a password for that ftp account? |
| 08:25.34 | kevix | phyrster: from the man page, i think you need to add -m (or maybe use -D) |
| 08:25.37 | peterS | phyrster: hmmm, I thought the vsftpd debian package already set up the ftp user. perhaps it doesn't. |
| 08:25.49 | cromd | is there a linux expression that covers the discipline of arranging a network so that a user can log onto any machine on the network, and gain access to the same set of resources from wherever they log on? |
| 08:25.53 | signature16 | where is a good XGL howto? |
| 08:25.53 | phyrster | peterS: it did |
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| 08:26.27 | phyrster | peterS: I want use another dir |
| 08:26.30 | phyrster | and another user |
| 08:26.54 | peterS | phyrster: well, adduser is the generally accepted way to do that on Debian. it's friendlier than useradd and does more stuff automatically. |
| 08:27.12 | kevix | cromd: what kind of resources? |
| 08:28.02 | cromd | kevix, preferably everything, but mainly the network shares as set up on samba |
| 08:28.30 | kevix | cromd: maybe you mean like 'webmin'? |
| 08:28.49 | cromd | kevix, i'm quite happy to do the groundwork and work this out, but all i need is a keyword to get started |
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| 08:30.02 | Harris | hi @ all |
| 08:30.10 | Harris | hätte ne kurze frage! |
| 08:30.13 | kevix | cromd: webmin is are perl scripts that are run from apache that allow you to admin a machine. |
| 08:30.26 | kevix | !de |
| 08:30.26 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 08:30.27 | Harris | is there a german support in here? |
| 08:30.33 | Harris | ok thx! |
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| 08:30.59 | cromd | kevix, i use webmin for one server, that's great for what it's designed for, but all i want is for people to be log on to any computer on the network, without it being a different (same named) account, 1 on each computer. I suppose what i want is some kind of logon service that each host challenges the user, compares the info with some central db, and then says, yes, you're elegible for these resources. From any host on the network |
| 08:31.31 | Shadowwulf | hello, how would i start the last part of the config over or start kde in debian ... if it failed and dropped me into su in bash |
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| 08:32.07 | kevix | cromd: kerberos? |
| 08:32.09 | Kupal[] | would you guys use linux if it where on the ps2? |
| 08:32.27 | cromd | thanks kevix, i'll check it out |
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| 08:32.59 | kevix | Kupal[]: WE would but would anyone else x-) |
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| 08:33.19 | kevix | Shadowwulf: what command did you do last? |
| 08:33.33 | Shadowwulf | what use would a ps2 be without a keyboard |
| 08:33.59 | Shadowwulf | i was in a setup and finished it ... dropped me to a ~$ prompt |
| 08:34.03 | peterS | Shadowwulf: funny that you talk about a "ps2" in context of a "keyboard", but you don't mean a PS/2 keyboard |
| 08:34.08 | kevix | Shadowwulf: sony (in JP) had a kit for a keyboard, mouse and a hard drive |
| 08:34.23 | Kupal[] | Sony sells linux for 1000$ |
| 08:34.26 | karsten | peterS: Well, it *did* originally refer to a class of computer. |
| 08:34.29 | Kupal[] | and you cant distribute it |
| 08:34.30 | Shadowwulf | true ... if ps2 (not kb) i might use it |
| 08:34.34 | Kupal[] | I think they are violated the gpl. |
| 08:34.39 | Kupal[] | https://playstation2-linux.com/faq.php#I_thought_Linux_was_free_-_so_why_are_ |
| 08:34.41 | peterS | karsten: right, right |
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| 08:34.55 | kevix | Kupal[]: http://blackrhino.xrhino.com |
| 08:35.12 | karsten | Kupal[]: w/o following that link: it *is* legal to charge for the act of physically distributing GPLd software. |
| 08:35.22 | Kupal[] | you have to have the kit i think. |
| 08:35.42 | Shadowwulf | im thinking kde failed to start |
| 08:36.11 | kevix | Shadowwulf: does 'startx' work? |
| 08:36.14 | Kupal[] | I just asked someone at sony development for it I didn't get it. |
| 08:36.23 | Kupal[] | Im going to mail sony and ask for the discs! |
| 08:36.24 | Kupal[] | lol |
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| 08:36.30 | karsten | Kupal[]: If they provide sources directly to their customers, they're fulfilling GPL reqs. |
| 08:36.42 | peterS | Kupal[]: right, if you paid for their software, you have the right to demand source code. |
| 08:36.44 | karsten | Kupal[]: If you've bought their product, by all means. |
| 08:36.45 | Shadowwulf | that works ... i think .. |
| 08:36.47 | Kupal[] | karsten i bet you can't find a download |
| 08:36.48 | peterS | Kupal[]: if you didn't, you, well, don't. |
| 08:36.50 | Shadowwulf | yep |
| 08:36.58 | Shadowwulf | im at a grey page with a x |
| 08:37.01 | karsten | Kupal[]: Nothing in the GPL says it has to be a download. |
| 08:37.17 | Kupal[] | i know that karsten |
| 08:37.24 | karsten | Kupal[]: less /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL-2 |
| 08:37.25 | kevix | Shadowwulf: you should be able to use 'twm' by clicking the left mouse button |
| 08:37.30 | Kupal[] | lol |
| 08:37.39 | Kupal[] | I will read it again at a later date |
| 08:38.00 | peterS | Kupal[]: also, nobody is forcing them to provide Linux to anybody at all. if they choose to sell it to one customer, that one customer is the only person who has a right to get source code. |
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| 08:38.37 | Kupal[] | sony made a packaged box and sold it to customers. |
| 08:38.43 | Kupal[] | they then didn't sell it. |
| 08:38.46 | karsten | Kupal[]: Specifically section 3 which governs source distribution obligations. Sony can opt for either a (ship with source) or b (ship with a written offer good for three years for _any_ third party. |
| 08:38.58 | peterS | Kupal[]: then those customers, if they wish, can demand source code. are you one of them? |
| 08:39.25 | karsten | Kupal[]: Before you waste time and annoy people, get your facts straight. If you can document a GPL violation, the FSF has a page detailing how to deal with it. |
| 08:39.43 | Kupal[] | Damn :( |
| 08:39.43 | karsten | peterS: Or any third party, depending on how sources ship. |
| 08:39.54 | Kupal[] | Still, I thought you couldn't sell the kernel. |
| 08:39.57 | peterS | karsten: well, true |
| 08:39.58 | Shadowwulf | ok ... never seen debian before ... now i understand .... very different from what i have seen in others |
| 08:40.03 | karsten | Kupal[]: Wrong. |
| 08:40.22 | peterS | Kupal[]: here's the thing, though. if one customer gets source code, Sony cannot prevent that customer from making it available to everyone in the world |
| 08:40.37 | Kupal[] | Great :P |
| 08:40.39 | kevix | Shadowwulf: if that works, X is setup. now you just have to get kde to work. assuming it is installed. |
| 08:40.50 | Kupal[] | Then why can't i distribute software. |
| 08:40.52 | peterS | Kupal[]: in other words, Sony can't make the customers sign some piece of paper saying "I agree not to redistribute this Linux kernel". that would be against the GPL. |
| 08:40.54 | karsten | Kupal[]: There may well be other stuff on the PS2 as a whole which renders complete redistribution illegal. |
| 08:40.55 | deadcat | karsten: pong |
| 08:41.21 | liable | smell?? |
| 08:41.25 | Shadowwulf | ok ... how would i go about getting kde running or installed |
| 08:41.29 | karsten | Kupal[]: However you'd have the rights under licensing to redistribute any of the GPLd, LGPld, MozPL, and likely BSD/MIT code. |
| 08:41.33 | pinucset | where can i see the packajes pendent to be aproved? |
| 08:41.35 | karsten | deadcat: pingpong. |
| 08:41.40 | kevix | Shadowwulf: IIRC threre should be 'startkde'. if its installed. |
| 08:41.45 | karsten | pinucset: Sorry? |
| 08:41.50 | karsten | kevix: Correct. |
| 08:41.50 | peterS | pinucset: are you thinking of http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html ? |
| 08:41.57 | peterS | pinucset: or http://incoming.debian.org/ ? |
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| 08:42.37 | kevix | Shadowwulf: most folks do 'apt-get install kde kdm' if you want the kdm login manager |
| 08:42.56 | deadcat | karsten: you gonna be there tomorrow with your machine? |
| 08:43.14 | liable | what is this fantastic machine?? |
| 08:43.43 | Shadowwulf | whats the difference with kdm and not |
| 08:43.48 | pinucset | does the last kernel solve any important bug respect 2-6-15-1 ? |
| 08:43.48 | karsten | Kupal[]: Just to put a fine gloss on this: I know Eben Moglen (the FSF's attorney) and Larry Rosen (OSI's original counsel) personally, and have sat with lawyers from Sun, Apple, IBM, Novell, Borland, and others, hashing this shit out. No, I'm not a lawyer, but a geek pretty well versed on the licensing. |
| 08:44.01 | karsten | deadcat: Possibly. |
| 08:44.05 | deadcat | k |
| 08:44.07 | stoned | i dunno, but back in jr. high we had TIM. amazing game really. You had to figure out how to construct a machine from a limited number of objects. The Incredible Machine. man i want that game now |
| 08:44.08 | kevix | Shadowwulf: do you know what xdm/kdm/gdm do? |
| 08:44.12 | karsten | liable: The one deadcat's raving on? |
| 08:44.18 | liable | karsten: yeah |
| 08:44.30 | Shadowwulf | nope ... not on that learning curve that high yet |
| 08:44.32 | karsten | liable: Prolly the CappuccinoPC Mocha P4 I've got. |
| 08:44.38 | liable | karsten: i noted it the other day too, but didnt catch on. |
| 08:44.41 | deadcat | karsten: i wanted to test it out last time but couldnt login. )= next time create an account for me or something hehe |
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| 08:44.49 | karsten | deadcat: Heh. |
| 08:44.51 | liable | karsten: it makes coffee? |
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| 08:45.10 | peterS | KAWFEE! |
| 08:45.14 | deadcat | HAHAHA |
| 08:45.16 | stoned | does anyone know of any free 3d first person shooters that are not in sarge repository |
| 08:45.19 | karsten | liable: http://www.cappuccinopc.com/mocha.asp Model 7043 |
| 08:45.28 | karsten | liable: Sure. |
| 08:45.29 | kevix | Shadowwulf: they are login managers... they present a 'username','password' window and allow you to choose which window manager you want to run and what language you want to use. |
| 08:45.35 | peterS | model 7043? sounds like an IBM RS/6000 |
| 08:45.53 | Shadowwulf | ok ... so you just suggest kdm ? |
| 08:45.56 | karsten | liable: Put a stovetop espresso maker on top of it, and in about 5 minutes, the heat will have brewed a pot. |
| 08:46.07 | kevix | karsten: I remember those from a while agoooooo. those are like ultra-midget pcs before mini-atx. |
| 08:46.09 | karsten | peterS: Somewhat smaller, but twice as black. |
| 08:46.16 | karsten | kevix: Correctamundu. |
| 08:46.17 | liable | haha |
| 08:46.20 | karsten | kevix: Loud mofos. |
| 08:46.41 | liable | whats the attraction? |
| 08:46.44 | karsten | liable: Small, portable. |
| 08:46.45 | fraguel | . |
| 08:46.46 | kevix | karsten: I remember the disection of them. super-compact. |
| 08:46.58 | peterS | karsten: interestingly, the 7043-150 has a black case. previous models in the same line were beige. |
| 08:47.00 | karsten | liable: ... and lacking the fragile appurtenances of a laptop: screen, keyboard. |
| 08:47.07 | karsten | peterS: Most IBM kit does. |
| 08:47.10 | liable | karsten: mac mini?? |
| 08:47.13 | peterS | yeah |
| 08:47.15 | karsten | kevix: Fits in my book bag. |
| 08:47.23 | karsten | liable: Mac Mini is believe it or not, smaller. |
| 08:47.38 | kevix | karsten: so does my toshiba libretto x-) |
| 08:47.40 | liable | thats what i was pointing to :) |
| 08:47.41 | karsten | liable: ... as well as quieter and faster. But maxes at 512 MB RAM. |
| 08:47.48 | fraguel | alguien habla español? |
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| 08:47.54 | kevix | !es |
| 08:47.54 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 08:48.00 | liable | i wish they would put raid in a mini. |
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| 08:48.10 | alk^ | hello |
| 08:48.12 | liable | be a perfect home server |
| 08:48.19 | karsten | liable: URL? |
| 08:48.32 | liable | karsten: for what? |
| 08:48.38 | karsten | liable: the libretto. |
| 08:48.48 | karsten | liable: I'm now driving a Thinkpad T21. |
| 08:49.02 | karsten | Not as fast or sleek, but somewhat more useful when actually on the road. |
| 08:49.08 | liable | karsten: huh? did i mention libretto. |
| 08:49.18 | liable | ? |
| 08:49.22 | karsten | liable: Doh. kevix |
| 08:49.29 | liable | oh |
| 08:49.29 | karsten | kevix: URL for the libretto? |
| 08:49.50 | karsten | kevix: tablet? |
| 08:49.52 | pinucset | which is the kde project's video player? kaffeine? |
| 08:49.52 | liable | karsten: hug the thinkpad |
| 08:50.05 | karsten | liable: Heh. Why? |
| 08:50.12 | Shadowwulf | should i install the packages w/o verify ? |
| 08:50.21 | liable | cause they need all the hugs they can get? |
| 08:50.24 | karsten | pinucset: xine. |
| 08:50.39 | liable | Shadowwulf: no, you should get the key |
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| 08:50.58 | karsten | pinucset: I don't believe there's a dedicated kde vid player yet. |
| 08:51.25 | alk^ | *good morning |
| 08:51.26 | liable | theres k frontends to about everything thoughh. |
| 08:51.42 | kevix | karsten: |
| 08:51.43 | karsten | pinucset: pinucset $ apt-cache search video | grep -i kde |
| 08:51.43 | kevix | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:52.01 | karsten | Speaking of tiny.... |
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| 08:52.30 | liable | need a pee? :P |
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| 08:52.47 | karsten | At work we're doing some Japanese localization on a little Panasonic laptop. One of the lightest I've seen, 10224x768 screen, very, very thin. CDROM is under a flip-up door, under the wrist rest. |
| 08:52.54 | liable | sorry, i tried, but there was no way i could resist. :) |
| 08:52.59 | karsten | liable: Past lag. |
| 08:53.17 | karsten | liable: s/past/paste/ |
| 08:53.25 | Shadowwulf | doesnt look like it was able to install al the packages |
| 08:53.36 | liable | karsten: sorry. |
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| 08:54.39 | kevix | karsten: checkout: http://www.handtops.com/show/news/91/2 |
| 08:54.57 | karsten | kevix: Ah... I've seen that. |
| 08:55.19 | kevix | Shadowwulf: what did you install? |
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| 08:55.32 | Shadowwulf | debian |
| 08:55.39 | Shadowwulf | and tried to install kde |
| 08:55.40 | kevix | Shadowwulf: x-) |
| 08:56.02 | kevix | Shadowwulf: you did 'apt-get install kde' and it didn't finish? |
| 08:56.08 | Shadowwulf | yeah i wont say the U word or the K word here |
| 08:56.17 | liable | Shadowwulf: what did you have to do to get the install to work?? |
| 08:56.20 | Shadowwulf | says it couldnt verify all the packages |
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| 08:56.41 | Shadowwulf | it dropped me to a ~$ and then xstarted |
| 08:56.54 | Shadowwulf | and no idea where to go from here |
| 08:57.04 | karsten | Shadowwulf: Try 'apt-get update; apt-get install kde'? |
| 08:57.21 | karsten | Shadowwulf: ... and do you have enough free space? |
| 08:57.29 | kevix | Shadowwulf: did X start? did you see: username and password boxes? |
| 08:57.32 | karsten | kevix: Have you looked at the Oqo at all? |
| 08:57.40 | kevix | karsten: yea. |
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| 08:58.05 | kevix | karsten: the nokia memeo? |
| 08:58.08 | Shadowwulf | hopefully i have enough and nope still at the basic thing |
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| 08:58.22 | karsten | kevix: Um. Not sure, I thought it was their own thing. |
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| 08:59.05 | Shadowwulf | looks like its downloading |
| 08:59.29 | kevix | karsten: their own thing? |
| 08:59.46 | karsten | kevix: http://www.oqo.com |
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| 09:00.12 | karsten | kevix: IIRC Larry Augustin was doing some legwork for them (of VA (Research|Linux|Software)). |
| 09:00.40 | karsten | kevix: It seems to be very adamently positioning itself a "Pocket Windows XP". I think he Linux geeks would have a lot more fun with it. |
| 09:00.44 | karsten | s/he/the/ |
| 09:01.13 | karsten | Very thin on specs, and the store link is broken. |
| 09:01.18 | liable | Shadowwulf: yestaerday you said you had a sarge install disk, you are still trying and now you mention that keys cant be verified. could you give the exact url where you got the install disk. smells like the etch installer, which may well be broken. |
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| 09:02.53 | kevix | karsten: the memeo is being devel. with gnome by debian folks at openhand.org iirc. |
| 09:03.56 | karsten | kevix: What's memeo? |
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| 09:04.05 | kevix | karsten: I'll have to look into that Va thing. someone in NYC was part of VA. |
| 09:04.18 | kevix | karsten: its a pc that is being devel by nokia |
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| 09:05.07 | Shadowwulf | but of course your also talking to a newbie that doesnt know all the lingo yet ... other than finding out i couldnt install to 8 MB and fixed that now its 4 gigs ...... third one down on the link ... binary-1.iso |
| 09:05.14 | Shadowwulf | ftp://ftp.au.debian.org/pub/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd |
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| 09:06.11 | Shadowwulf | i am hoping it didnt fill up 4 gigs worth of stuff with just a general install |
| 09:06.33 | kevix | karsten: http://www.maemo.org/nokia/contributions.html |
| 09:07.41 | liable | Shadowwulf: base install is less than 500M. what were you saying about verifying packages? have you actually installed the base system yet? yesterday when i left you couldnt get core-utils installed. |
| 09:07.42 | kevix | Shadowwulf: no. debian installs on systems with < 32mb ram. |
| 09:08.46 | liable | !seen caphuso |
| 09:08.46 | dpkg | caphuso <n=caphuso@p54819620.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 71d 20h 56m 52s ago, saying: 'nerdy2: (ok, we do use sftp, but not in the ftp-over-ssl sense)'. |
| 09:09.18 | Shadowwulf | the core issue was because i attempted to install on a 8 mb part and didnt relize it until i went into 2000 and looked ... i got all the way thru install and the last thing it did was claim it couldnt start kde and dropped me to a ~$ and with xstart got to the grey box area |
| 09:09.21 | kevix | liable: caphuso was here 2 months ago...wow |
| 09:09.45 | Shadowwulf | i guess its just a basic debian gui ? |
| 09:09.53 | Shadowwulf | the basic xstart ? |
| 09:10.36 | kevix | Shadowwulf: if you had a 8mb partition, it didn't install much of the base system x-( |
| 09:10.38 | liable | Shadowwulf: ok, you were having problems installing base last time i saw. |
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| 09:10.55 | yos87 | hi |
| 09:11.20 | Shadowwulf | yeah ... i was having issues ... but 8MB isnt enough and well should have looked at it before thinking it was 8GB |
| 09:11.34 | Shadowwulf | right now it looks like apt-get is downloading kde |
| 09:11.41 | karsten | Jesus: is Panasonic Microsoft's bitch or what? http://www.panasonic.com |
| 09:11.42 | Shadowwulf | and hopefully should install it |
| 09:11.44 | karsten | Note the favicon. |
| 09:11.49 | kevix | Shadowwulf: that at the moment is a 'feature' of the installer. |
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| 09:12.15 | Shadowwulf | feature ? what is ? |
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| 09:12.27 | sorb | helolo |
| 09:12.28 | Stevie-O | 250 Stevie-O |
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| 09:12.54 | yos87 | When I start debian, I log in, and I see the menu, but no icons, and no background? someone can help me? |
| 09:12.59 | dn4 | karsten, how do you correlate panasonic as microsoft's biznitch? |
| 09:13.03 | mrkris- | any recommendations on mailserver? |
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| 09:13.12 | mrkris- | exim comes by default, what about imap/pop3 |
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| 09:13.30 | karsten | dn4: The fact that they've branded themselves with MSIE icon. |
| 09:13.42 | mrkris- | Zugschlus: i've heard good and bad about dovecot |
| 09:13.46 | mrkris- | i used dovecot ages ago |
| 09:13.58 | Shadowwulf | karsten: that is kinda stupid |
| 09:14.03 | yos87 | I did apt-get remove gnome, it doesn't help me |
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| 09:14.35 | karsten | Here's the model I saw today. Note the CD drive placement: http://www.superwarehouse.com/Panasonic_Toughbook_Y2/CF-Y2FWPZZBM/p/611188 |
| 09:14.39 | karsten | Shadowwulf: aye. |
| 09:14.47 | kevix | Shadowwulf: that it doesnt check to see that you only have 8mb partition. |
| 09:15.00 | mrkris- | karsten: toughbooks are awesome |
| 09:15.14 | karsten | mrkris-: Howso? |
| 09:15.21 | Shadowwulf | kevix: i know ... i fixed that |
| 09:15.30 | mrkris- | karsten: eh? they are just rock solid |
| 09:15.47 | mrkris- | karsten: ever driven 65mph and thrown one out the window of a your car? :) |
| 09:15.58 | karsten | mrkris-: Not recently. |
| 09:16.02 | dn4 | mrkris-, sounds like a worth toughbook test! |
| 09:16.11 | dn4 | worth/worthy// |
| 09:16.19 | kevix | mrkris-: with you arm attached.. x-) |
| 09:16.25 | Shadowwulf | i have dropped my laptop non durable many times out the door not moving and it still works :) |
| 09:16.26 | karsten | mrkris-: with or without a case? |
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| 09:17.23 | mrkris- | with |
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| 09:18.20 | Shadowwulf | if i had bill gates money i would |
| 09:18.32 | Shadowwulf | by the time i picked it up i could grow new ones |
| 09:18.54 | Shadowwulf | throwing tough notebooks out the window |
| 09:19.28 | mrkris- | haha |
| 09:19.29 | mrkris- | well |
| 09:19.29 | dn4 | perhaps there is a way to create electronic money |
| 09:19.32 | mrkris- | they were older ones |
| 09:19.37 | mrkris- | but still worked |
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| 09:19.53 | Shadowwulf | my next notebook will be a tablet PC |
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| 09:20.05 | kevix | liable: just noticed you /msg. I ask when I have something to say. never had a problem. |
| 09:20.23 | sorb | can I start a new install from r1? |
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| 09:21.23 | Shadowwulf | if i install another grub ... will it update the current one with the newer version ? |
| 09:21.32 | kevix | sorb: sure. you just can then update to what is the latest afterwards. |
| 09:21.33 | Shadowwulf | from the u os |
| 09:21.53 | yos87 | How to drag the list in the text mode(eg: if you dpkg --help , how to see the over screen) |
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| 09:22.21 | kevix | yos87: like with less? |
| 09:22.34 | yos87 | yes |
| 09:22.35 | liable | yos87: pgup |
| 09:22.50 | sorb | so it will put debian on my machine, even if its not already there? I dont' need r0a ? |
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| 09:23.45 | kevix | sorb: each one r0a,r1,... are just updates. each is a complete install. the r1 is just an update. |
| 09:24.18 | sorb | oh, by "just an update" I interpreted it as not a complete install |
| 09:24.27 | yos87 | liable: how to use pgup? |
| 09:25.25 | liable | yos87: its key on your keyboard. or if you use less, just the up arrow key. |
| 09:25.40 | kevix | sorb: when sarge came out they had r0 which was the first release, then there came security update which was r1, and so on. each is a complete install. |
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| 09:26.35 | sorb | yeah, I just think I was misinformed cuz I read on joe blows web site that you need r0a before r1... wil work |
| 09:26.52 | kevix | sorb: after you install, to get the LATEST, you just apt-get update,apt-get upgrade |
| 09:27.09 | sorb | well, |
| 09:27.23 | kevix | sorb: r0 had a tiny mistake, so they made r0a to fix it. |
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| 09:28.00 | sorb | dd if=/dev/hda2 of=/mnt/(fat32part)/linux.bin bs=512 count=1 will not work |
| 09:28.05 | Shadowwulf | kevix: why ... does it kill two birds with one stone ? |
| 09:28.20 | yos87 | liable: I press all keys! |
| 09:28.54 | kevix | Shadowwulf: huh? |
| 09:28.58 | liable | !qotd10 |
| 09:28.58 | dpkg | well, qotd10 is <helix> I just bang on the keyboard like a retarded monkey |
| 09:29.13 | Shadowwulf | kevix: why not just update or upgrade ... why both |
| 09:30.05 | kevix | Shadowwulf: apt-get update - update the available packages in the dpkg database, apt-get upgrade - get and install new update to your system |
| 09:30.26 | liable | yos87: what exactly are you doing? |
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| 09:31.06 | sorb | does anyone know what might cause that command to output nothing? |
| 09:31.06 | stoned | Hi, I installed gnome and kde in the system, but now the menu's are screwed up, they contain a two copies of each program shortcut. How can I fix this? |
| 09:31.20 | kevix | sorb: which command? |
| 09:31.26 | sorb | dd if=/dev/hda2 of=/mnt/(fat32part)/linux.bin bs=512 count=1 will not work |
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| 09:31.47 | yos87 | liable: I want to reconfigure the graphic more, so I type dpkg, and most of them is over screen, My graphic more is down today, whe I login ,no icon and no background! |
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| 09:31.49 | kevix | stoned: update-menus ? |
| 09:32.08 | stoned | kevix, that is not related to gnome/kde/xfce |
| 09:32.16 | liable | yos87: huh? you want to reconfigure x? |
| 09:32.23 | yos87 | liable: yes |
| 09:32.24 | karsten | yos87: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (or xserver-xfree86) |
| 09:32.53 | kevix | stoned: oh. yea. I forgot that fixes the 'debian' menu. |
| 09:32.54 | stoned | kevix, update-menus only works for the debian 'menu' package |
| 09:33.01 | karsten | liable: What, don't you speak borken egnlihs? |
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| 09:33.10 | liable | heh |
| 09:33.29 | liable | karsten: i speak it, but i cant read it :) |
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| 09:33.34 | kevix | karsten: ask enrico zini to add that to his polyglot packages |
| 09:33.38 | stoned | I am on sarge, is there a way to use the beta version of the upcoming xfce4.3svn? |
| 09:33.51 | karsten | kevix: Heh. |
| 09:34.05 | sorb | you have no advice? |
| 09:34.07 | karsten | stoned: Upgrade to etch. |
| 09:34.15 | stoned | karsten, no |
| 09:34.16 | Shadowwulf | ok im at the # prompt ... how do i start kde ? |
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| 09:34.25 | Shadowwulf | or restart ? |
| 09:34.31 | kevix | sorb: are you trying to reinstall a bootloader? |
| 09:34.52 | karsten | sorb: Um. No /dev/hda2. No read access to it. No write access to the output file. |
| 09:34.55 | liable | Shadowwulf: dont start kde as root. use startkde as user. |
| 09:34.57 | kevix | Shadowwulf: startkde |
| 09:34.59 | karsten | sorb: 'strace' is your friend. |
| 09:35.04 | yos87 | liable: working, thank you |
| 09:35.10 | karsten | yos87: Good. |
| 09:35.22 | sorb | I am trying to link the mbr boot loader to the hda2 bootloader |
| 09:35.34 | sorb | boot.ini to grub |
| 09:35.36 | stoned | Shadowwulf, don't do it as root. log in with your user account into the system, when you get to command prompt type su -c "apt-get install kdm && kdm" |
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| 09:35.47 | sorb | what will strace do? |
| 09:36.01 | Eulex | !strace |
| 09:36.01 | dpkg | it has been said that strace is a system call tracing utility. Run it like so: 'strace -f -o LOGFILE EXEC'.. A good way to diagnose problems |
| 09:36.06 | karsten | sorb: man strace |
| 09:36.27 | liable | yeah, if you can understand any of the shit it spews out.. |
| 09:36.31 | karsten | sorb: Basically gives you a low-level view of what's going on. |
| 09:36.38 | sorb | besides /dev/hda2 is there, and I tested access to the fat32 part |
| 09:36.40 | karsten | liable: ERR_FOO is usually parsable. |
| 09:36.48 | karsten | sorb: OK, then it's something else. |
| 09:37.00 | sorb | even tried creating linux.bin before executing it |
| 09:37.10 | yos87 | I reconfigure, But I still have no desktop! |
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| 09:37.14 | karsten | sorb: If the problem isn't one bit, then it's _not_ that bit. |
| 09:37.19 | bkhl | Any Tascam US-122 users here? |
| 09:37.20 | karsten | yos87: Um. Restart X? |
| 09:37.27 | karsten | !tel bkhl about polls. |
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| 09:38.01 | kevix | bkhl: is that a telescope/digital camera thingy? |
| 09:38.04 | liable | karsten: every time i tried it, there was no such foo. |
| 09:38.14 | bkhl | kevix: no, a USB sound card. |
| 09:38.20 | karsten | liable: You clearly need more foo-fu. |
| 09:38.27 | liable | indeed |
| 09:38.53 | karsten | liable: I'd say 3 times in 4 or better it gives me a good idea of where the prolbem is. |
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| 09:39.05 | kevix | liable: mr t always said 'i pity the foo'! |
| 09:39.10 | karsten | liable: Either errors, or attempting to read or write stuff that's not there or isn't accessable. |
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| 09:39.53 | kevix | bkhl: are you using unstable, 2.6 kernel and have you tried alsaconf? |
| 09:39.54 | tarzeau | i can have a look at it today i guess |
| 09:39.57 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 09:39.58 | dpkg | rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 09:40.00 | liable | heh, every time i use it, it stops without a usefull pointer |
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| 09:40.22 | bkhl | kevix: no testing, but yes, I have 2.6 and have used alsaconf. |
| 09:40.30 | kevix | T-4 hours to debian/hp server downtime |
| 09:40.38 | Shadowwulf | so ill have to start kde everytime i boot into debian ? |
| 09:40.39 | liable | kevix: yeah, but he couldnt fly on aeroplanes. |
| 09:40.44 | bkhl | kevix: I need to do some firmware hotplug yadi-ya, though, and I was hoping someone here had done that neatly on Debian. |
| 09:41.18 | yooser | not if you get kdm |
| 09:41.19 | liable | Shadowwulf: install a desktop manager. apt-get install kdm |
| 09:41.55 | liable | T minus 30 till i go to bed. |
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| 09:42.02 | karsten | Shadowwulf: what liable able said. |
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| 09:42.34 | karsten | liable: Impossible! |
| 09:42.38 | karsten | liable: Inconceivable! |
| 09:43.07 | yos87 | karsten: I restart, still not working |
| 09:43.08 | liable | i go against the grain, and like to get at least 10 ours whenever possible. |
| 09:43.09 | isilzha | hi. is there a progra0 that assists in updating mtab or fstab? i don't want to mess up and i don't know which partition i need to mount too. for this a program that at least lists the current partitions would be very nice |
| 09:43.24 | karsten | isilzha: vim ;-) |
| 09:43.39 | Eulex | isilzha, fdisk -l |
| 09:43.40 | karsten | isilzha: Current partitions: cat /proc/partitions |
| 09:44.04 | karsten | yos87: /msg dpkg smart questions; /msg dpkg paster |
| 09:44.23 | karsten | yos87: Describe what's happening, what you're running, what's not working, what error output you cget. |
| 09:44.41 | karsten | yos87: Anything you need to paste, http://channels.debian.net/paster |
| 09:44.54 | liable | yos87: then you didnt configure x right. grep EE /var/log/xfree86.0.log (or whatever the real file is..) |
| 09:45.20 | karsten | yos87: Er: http://channels.debian.net/paste |
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| 09:45.33 | karsten | !tell yos87 about paster |
| 09:45.35 | Shadowwulf | very nice |
| 09:45.41 | kevix | bkhl: google: ubuntu tascam US usb soundcard |
| 09:45.42 | Shadowwulf | now i just have to fine tune it |
| 09:45.42 | yos87 | kearsten: I already say that over that I don't have icon and desktop |
| 09:45.58 | karsten | yos87: Not good enough. |
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| 09:46.00 | isilzha | karsten, eulex: thank you |
| 09:46.02 | karsten | Feh. |
| 09:46.05 | yooser | ;p |
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| 09:46.17 | bkhl | kevix: that didn't work... |
| 09:46.31 | Eulex | isilzha, yw :) |
| 09:46.36 | Eulex | !doesn't work |
| 09:46.37 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 09:47.01 | Shadowwulf | ok one last question ... what do i use for linux to see all my fat 32 drives |
| 09:47.02 | neo_ | Damn! I forgot the apt setup command again! |
| 09:47.18 | neo_ | Wga is it again? |
| 09:47.21 | liable | apt-setup. just add a - |
| 09:47.22 | karsten | isilzha: NP |
| 09:47.23 | isilzha | now some more serious issue... ^^ both kde and gnome freeze after some minutes. lets say 10. there is absolutely no chance to recover anything anymore when this happens and for that this is a really bad issue. does anybody know what i could do there? |
| 09:47.30 | kevix | Shadowwulf: fdisk -l /dev/hda ? |
| 09:47.45 | Shadowwulf | on the desktop |
| 09:47.53 | karsten | isilzha: Your odds are: bad hardware, bad hardware, bad hardware, bad drivers, or bad hardware. |
| 09:47.59 | Shadowwulf | so i can go between drives and get stuff |
| 09:48.05 | karsten | isilzha: Figuring out which, specifically, gets interesting. |
| 09:48.13 | kevix | Shadowwulf: you can add enties to /etc/fstab |
| 09:48.17 | karsten | isilzha: Possibly a bad X config. |
| 09:48.27 | liable | isilzha: what debian version? |
| 09:48.40 | yos87 | thank you |
| 09:48.48 | isilzha | karsten: "it worked fine with xfree86" is no good line there i guess? :P |
| 09:48.56 | liable | i have had x lock up in the last week. |
| 09:48.59 | karsten | isilzha: That points to bad drivers. |
| 09:49.00 | bkhl | kevix: I think I figured it out. Thanks for the effort. |
| 09:49.11 | wols | isilzha: it's a good one for you since i means there is a chance it's not bad hardware |
| 09:49.22 | isilzha | liable: sid |
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| 09:49.45 | liable | isilzha: what graphic card? |
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| 09:50.34 | isilzha | liable: ati |
| 09:50.50 | karsten | isilzha: lspci | grep VGA |
| 09:51.04 | karsten | liable: Paste that line |
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| 09:51.11 | karsten | liable: Ignore. |
| 09:51.17 | karsten | isilzha: ... paste that line in channel. |
| 09:51.31 | liable | isilzha: same. had two lock ups in a week. although mine have been usually when i get up and the fucker is locked up. |
| 09:51.35 | isilzha | karsten: nothing |
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| 09:52.11 | Eulex | isilzha, it's case dependent. lspci|grep VGA, not lspci|grep vga |
| 09:52.13 | liable | isilzha: check bts i guess. get back to me with a fix! |
| 09:52.19 | karsten | isilzha: 'lspci' then by itself and examine output. |
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| 09:52.35 | Eulex | isilzha, and what X driver are you using? |
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| 09:52.39 | karsten | isilzha: Or 'lspci | grep -i vga |
| 09:52.44 | tat_ | does anyone know how to set up rsh on Debian/etch ? |
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| 09:52.50 | isilzha | liable: actually that is the funny thing. it didn't need long to freeze when i worked at it but it kept idle 5 hours as i just had the desktop (kde in this case) locked |
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| 09:53.11 | Eulex | !rsh |
| 09:53.11 | dpkg | if you can't find it, ask me about netstd |
| 09:54.31 | isilzha | eulex: and what's the part you want to know? i'm not so good at copying things on command line... ^^ |
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| 09:55.13 | isilzha | karsten: same for you |
| 09:55.18 | chendo[a] | I keep getting errors regarding locale... what's wrong? :/ |
| 09:55.39 | liable | laterz dudes! |
| 09:55.40 | Eulex | chendo[a], what does apt-get install locales say? |
| 09:56.05 | karsten | isilzha: There should be a line describing your video card. If there's multiple lines, use paster. |
| 09:56.10 | karsten | !tell isilzha about paster |
| 09:56.17 | karsten | !tell tat_ about ssh |
| 09:56.22 | karsten | tat_: Don't use rsh |
| 09:56.22 | isilzha | eulex: xorg. is there a choice? because.. i tried going back to xfree86 and i was not allowed to |
| 09:56.40 | liable | no you cant go back |
| 09:56.43 | karsten | chendo[a]: You probably need to (re)configure locales. |
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| 09:57.04 | chendo[a] | Eulex, karsten: unmet dependancies, glibc or something |
| 09:57.14 | liable | eww |
| 09:57.15 | chendo[a] | i'm new to debian here, just got called to work on a box |
| 09:57.24 | chendo[a] | how do i update the packages tree thing? |
| 09:57.24 | isilzha | karsten: yes there is. on a desktop i would know how to copy. ok anyway i'll do it the old way :P |
| 09:57.24 | karsten | chendo[a]: glibc plays a big role in locale. |
| 09:57.24 | Eulex | isilzha, xorg is an X server, not a driver. what does cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf|grep Driver |
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| 09:57.46 | Eulex | chendo[a], well, fix it. until you give us the exact error we can't help you. |
| 09:58.20 | chendo[a] | man: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct |
| 09:58.29 | Eulex | !uuoc me |
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| 09:58.53 | Eulex | chendo[a], I mean the errors you got whil doing apt-get install locales. and use pastebin for it. |
| 09:58.56 | karsten | isilzha: If you're stuck in console mode, you can still use paster with w3m links, lynx, etc. |
| 09:58.59 | karsten | isand leaar to love screen. |
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| 09:59.20 | Acid`X | I got the following error runing m-a for nvidia with kernel 2.6.16-1-686 =>> http://channels.debian.net/paste/2232 , any idea? |
| 09:59.23 | isilzha | Eulex: vga and radeon |
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| 09:59.47 | Eulex | isilzha, ok. what exact graphics card? |
| 10:00.06 | karsten | isilzha: learn to love screen. |
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| 10:00.40 | karsten | chendo[a]: How about if you do: 'LANG=C man <foo>' ? |
| 10:00.41 | Eulex | Acid`X, I dunno, but I've heard that the nvidia driver requires ugly patching for newer kernels |
| 10:00.45 | kd | is there a way to start mysqld with -log via /etc/init.d/mysql? |
| 10:00.50 | deeptz | can anybody tell me a tool to monitor memory and cpu utilization remotely |
| 10:01.05 | Eulex | deepspace, free, top? |
| 10:01.06 | kd | deeptz: ssh + top |
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| 10:01.16 | karsten | chendo[a]: ... and what happens with 'apt-get install --reinstall locales' ? |
| 10:01.23 | chendo[a] | karsten: works :o |
| 10:01.27 | deeptz | kd:i am doin it rt now |
| 10:01.38 | karsten | kd: SMNP, nagios, ssh + top, ssh +X xload ... |
| 10:01.40 | deeptz | not getting exactly the way i want it |
| 10:01.58 | deeptz | ok |
| 10:02.00 | peritus_ | kd: i think you can specify log in your /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 10:02.01 | karsten | chendo[a]: Right. Ok, you've got a locale specified that isn't configured. You need to get the upgrade / reconfig going. |
| 10:02.05 | chendo[a] | karsten: 3 lines needs a pastebin? |
| 10:02.08 | chendo[a] | kk |
| 10:02.15 | chendo[a] | i believe this box hasn't been touched for a year |
| 10:02.20 | isilzha | karsten: the line is "VGA compatible controler: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 [Mobility Radeon 9600 M10] |
| 10:02.20 | karsten | chendo[a]: No 4's the limit, you'll be autokicked. |
| 10:02.22 | Coweater | deeptz: phpsysinfo |
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| 10:02.29 | chendo[a] | mmk |
| 10:02.30 | Acid`X | Eulex, works perfectly with 2.6.15.6 |
| 10:02.40 | Eulex | Acid`X, as I said. |
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| 10:02.49 | isilzha | eulex: "VGA compatible controler: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 [Mobility Radeon 9600 M10] |
| 10:02.52 | karsten | isilzha: Sec. |
| 10:03.16 | kreg_work | anyone know radius? |
| 10:03.18 | karsten | isilzha: Should be ati driver. |
| 10:03.22 | kreg_work | trying to figure out how to use "radwho" |
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| 10:03.39 | chendo[a] | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 10:03.40 | chendo[a] | locales: Depends: glibc-2.3.2.ds1-22 |
| 10:03.40 | chendo[a] | E: Broken packages |
| 10:03.46 | Eulex | isilzha, hmm, ok. dunno then. |
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| 10:04.01 | Eulex | chendo[a], apt-cache policy libc6? |
| 10:04.05 | karsten | chendo[a]: 'apt-get update' and retry |
| 10:04.12 | isilzha | Eulex: thank you anyway |
| 10:04.21 | erhanr | did you try install it from ati's website ? |
| 10:04.31 | chendo[a] | Eulex: E: Invalid operation policy |
| 10:04.48 | Eulex | erhanr, radeon is the open source driver. |
| 10:05.00 | chendo[a] | karsten: same error message |
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| 10:05.14 | erhanr | yes |
| 10:05.16 | Eulex | chendo[a], wow, that's strange. |
| 10:05.19 | karsten | chendo[a]: What release level? stable, unstable, testing, ... ? |
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| 10:05.38 | chendo[a] | i believe it's stable |
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| 10:05.49 | chendo[a] | should i uprgade glibc? |
| 10:05.55 | Eulex | chendo[a], what does dpkg -l|grep libc6 and dpkg -l|grep apt say? |
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| 10:06.15 | chendo[a] | ii libc6 2.3.6-3 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 10:06.16 | karsten | chendo[a]: Yeah. Testing/Unstable are at 2.3.5-13, and the package ls libc6. |
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| 10:06.35 | chendo[a] | will i be kicked at 4 or 5? :P |
| 10:06.39 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:06.43 | Eulex | chendo[a], downgrade libc6. |
| 10:06.45 | chendo | ugh |
| 10:06.52 | karsten | chendo: /join #paste |
| 10:07.11 | aidan | Does anyone know how I can remove the "No mail." mail-check when you _login_ to bash |
| 10:07.12 | chendo | Eulex: how do i do that? or should i upgrade glibc? |
| 10:07.31 | Eulex | chendo, apt-get install libc6/stable |
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| 10:07.46 | Eulex | chendo, also, what does dpkg -l|grep apt say? |
| 10:08.00 | Dewi | could anyone advise me on how I might get my Powerware UPS communicating with debian? They claim linux support, but their installer fails on debian |
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| 10:08.05 | chendo | Eulex: pasted in #paste |
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| 10:08.18 | karsten | aidan: set msg n |
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| 10:08.35 | karsten | aidan: IIRC. |
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| 10:08.54 | aidan | karsten: I put that in login.defs? |
| 10:10.58 | Eulex | chendo, also, are you sure that apt-cache policy libc6 returns an error? also, it's *apt-cache*, not apt-get |
| 10:10.58 | kd | thanks peritus_ |
| 10:10.58 | karsten | aidan: .bashrc IIRC. |
| 10:10.58 | chendo | Eulex: whoops. |
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| 10:10.59 | karsten | aidan: or man bash '/MAIL' search for mail-related features. |
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| 10:11.00 | sorb | hey, thanks for letting me know who my friends are |
| 10:11.01 | aidan | yeh, no luck with the set msg n |
| 10:11.31 | karsten | aidan: Sorry, a guess. Reneable that if you want people to write / talk / wall you. Mostly not used these day.s |
| 10:11.33 | matthi | aidan: also take a look at /etc/pam.d/login => session optional pam_mail.so standard |
| 10:11.57 | aidan | matthi: I've commented that out and restarted the server, still no luck |
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| 10:13.02 | isilzha | karsten: ok i hope i can change this in some way... ;) thank you |
| 10:13.22 | karsten | isilzha: NP. |
| 10:14.06 | karsten | aidan: export MAILCHECK=0 in ~/.bashrc |
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| 10:14.42 | aidan | karsten: that's not the onlogin check |
| 10:14.51 | aidan | though I have disabled that too |
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| 10:15.41 | karsten | aidan: OK, that should disable subsequent checking at any rate. |
| 10:17.34 | aidan | it's driving me nuts ... mainly because nothing I seem to do changes it, vs it actually checking my mail |
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| 10:18.41 | aidan | perhaps PAM is like newaliases, I need to rebuild the database/hashtable before it updates? |
| 10:19.18 | matthi | aiden: did you try to set "MAILCHECK=0" ? |
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| 10:20.04 | aidan | yes |
| 10:20.12 | aidan | it must be this PAM thing |
| 10:20.21 | aidan | session optional pam_mail.so standard noenv |
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| 10:20.30 | aidan | # Prints the status of the user's mailbox upon succesful login |
| 10:20.59 | aidan | I've commented it out, rebooted the server, it doesn't change... which is why I'm thinking that it is cached somewhere |
| 10:21.36 | JaVaSan | hi, i'm using debian-amd64 and my sound does not work.... does anyone know how cai if fix it? |
| 10:21.48 | JaVaSan | *can i |
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| 10:22.49 | aidan | *i can |
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| 10:23.43 | matthi | aiden: mostly "nscd" do caching this kind of things |
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| 10:27.15 | sambrista | hi! I want to be able to shutdown the computer, reboot... as a user in xfce when i click the close button. How can i do it? |
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| 10:28.48 | brosioz | [4433240.031000] evbug.c: Event. Dev: isa0060/serio0/input0, Type: 1, Code: 28, Value: 1 |
| 10:28.48 | brosioz | [4433240.031000] evbug.c: Event. Dev: isa0060/serio0/input0, Type: 0, Code: 0, Value: 0 |
| 10:28.56 | brosioz | i get this on all my dmesg |
| 10:29.04 | brosioz | anyone known what is this ? |
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| 10:33.34 | lpb-oberon | JaVaSan: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 10:34.34 | Delicates | can you think of any reasons I might want to create a partition table on a new HD when I want to utilise HD's entire space for a file system? |
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| 10:34.43 | C`Alex | Hello |
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| 10:35.28 | dn4 | Do they make a window linux |
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| 10:35.54 | isilzha | exit |
| 10:36.04 | C`Alex | i have a problem |
| 10:36.11 | C`Alex | i remove user: Debian-exim |
| 10:36.14 | C`Alex | how i can add ? |
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| 10:36.18 | C`Alex | and no password? |
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| 10:36.52 | dn4 | Do they make a window linux |
| 10:37.03 | C`Alex | ? |
| 10:37.04 | kurumin | oi |
| 10:37.24 | flosch | hi all |
| 10:37.27 | dn4 | I just hate windows and don't want to upgrade to xp, but I want to run some programs on win98 |
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| 10:38.00 | C`Alex | dn4, help me please i delete user " Debian-exim " :( how i can add ? |
| 10:38.03 | C`Alex | and no password |
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| 10:38.10 | Zugschlus | C`Alex: do not repeat |
| 10:38.17 | C`Alex | k |
| 10:38.32 | zeda | is there an external setting for dpi for Firefox? |
| 10:38.35 | Zugschlus | C`Alex: which uid/gid does /var/spool/exim4 belong to on your system? |
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| 10:39.23 | C`Alex | :( |
| 10:39.26 | C`Alex | i have debian |
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| 10:39.35 | bigup | hi there :) |
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| 10:39.52 | ick | What drivers do I need to get a HP PSC1410 scanner working? |
| 10:39.56 | Eulex | !cygwin |
| 10:39.57 | dpkg | Cygwin is a posix environment for windows, running (among many programs) bash and gcc. Availiable from http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/mirrors.html, or for a fast mirror, use ftp://ftp.leguin.org.uk/pub/mirrors/cygwin |
| 10:40.04 | Eulex | dn4, ^^ |
| 10:40.12 | lpb-oberon | C`Alex: cd /var/log |
| 10:40.18 | lpb-oberon | ls -lisa exim4 |
| 10:40.22 | Eulex | dn4, off-topic, though |
| 10:40.38 | lpb-oberon | who is the owner? |
| 10:40.42 | bigup | There is something bothering with my modules, i own a tuner tv and a webcam and at startup they are ramdomly matched to /dev/video0 and /dev/video1, how could i make it have always the same device? |
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| 10:41.20 | C`Alex | total 12 |
| 10:41.20 | C`Alex | 3899411 4 drwxr-s--- 2 102 adm 4096 2006-03-05 06:26 . |
| 10:41.20 | C`Alex | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:41.20 | C`Alex | 3899640 0 -rw-r----- 1 102 adm 0 2006-03-05 06:26 mainlog |
| 10:41.20 | C`Alex | 3899418 4 -rw-r----- 1 102 adm 3607 2006-03-04 12:34 mainlog.1 |
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| 10:41.26 | Eulex | *sigh* |
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| 10:41.31 | C`Alex | sorry |
| 10:41.31 | lpb-oberon | bigup: use udev with SYSFS{foobar} |
| 10:41.37 | Eulex | !pastebin |
| 10:41.37 | dpkg | somebody said pastebin was a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or check out http://securelabs.zapto.org/~pureone/src/pastebin.c if your stuck in console only |
| 10:41.44 | Eulex | C`Alex, ^^ |
| 10:41.56 | Zugschlus | lpb-oberon: I explicitly asked for /var/spool/exim since we need the group as well |
| 10:42.02 | C`Alex | i type: deluser Debian-exim |
| 10:42.02 | C`Alex | :(( |
| 10:42.10 | Zugschlus | C`Alex: why did you do that |
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| 10:42.17 | bigup | lpb-oberon: in a config file? |
| 10:42.23 | C`Alex | i find a hacker>>> in my PC |
| 10:42.24 | dn4 | if it takes 2:30 to transfer 125mb how long will it take to transfer 85 gigs? |
| 10:42.27 | C`Alex | and i remove more user |
| 10:42.29 | dn4 | 2:30 minutes |
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| 10:42.47 | lpb-oberon | bigup: cd /etc/udev |
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| 10:42.51 | Zugschlus | C`Alex: if your box was really compromised you better re-build froms scratc |
| 10:43.01 | lpb-oberon | take a look at the rules there:) |
| 10:43.04 | Eulex | dn4, I think you're able to do that math yourself. |
| 10:43.07 | Zugschlus | you'll never now about backdoors left |
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| 10:43.23 | dn4 | Eulex, the simpliest answer, is longer |
| 10:43.24 | bigup | lpb-oberon: udev.rules i suppose? |
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| 10:43.50 | C`Alex | :( |
| 10:44.00 | lpb-oberon | well go to the rules.d |
| 10:44.11 | lpb-oberon | the files in there are symlinks |
| 10:44.19 | kronoz | dn4: 1700 minutes |
| 10:44.26 | lpb-oberon | now you need to create you r own file |
| 10:44.30 | bigup | lpb-oberon: ok, thank you :) |
| 10:44.41 | lpb-oberon | like 010-bigup.rules |
| 10:44.46 | JaVaSan | how can i fix my sound device? sound does not work =/ |
| 10:44.47 | karsten | dn4: Longer |
| 10:44.47 | karsten | EuHeh. |
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| 10:45.05 | lpb-oberon | it needs a low nuber so your rules are applied before all the other |
| 10:45.21 | lpb-oberon | JaVaSan: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 10:45.36 | C`Alex | zamaliphe, i revonfigure ? linux ? |
| 10:45.40 | C`Alex | reconfigure* |
| 10:45.45 | Zugschlus | !doesnotwork |
| 10:45.55 | C`Alex | ups |
| 10:46.06 | C`Alex | Zugschlus: i reconfigure ? linux? |
| 10:46.14 | karsten | !tell JaVaSan about doesn't work |
| 10:46.14 | bigup | lpb-oberon: ok i'm gonna do it, thank you for your help :) |
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| 10:46.25 | Zugschlus | C`Alex: I said _rebuild_ |
| 10:46.32 | lpb-oberon | bigup: so it could look like this |
| 10:46.36 | Zugschlus | as in "back up your data, delete hard disk, reinstall, restore data" |
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| 10:46.51 | lpb-oberon | BUS="usb", SYSFS{serial}="<serial number> ", KERNEL="sd?1", NAME="%k", SYMLINK="cruzer |
| 10:46.56 | C`Alex | Zugschlus, how i can rebuild ? |
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| 10:47.03 | erhanr | JaVaSan: did you try alsaconf ? |
| 10:47.23 | Zugschlus | C`Alex: you back up your data, delete the hard disk, reinstall Debian, restore data |
| 10:47.24 | lpb-oberon | you can execute commands as well when the device is found:) |
| 10:47.32 | Dewi | what do USB device nodes look like in /dev? |
| 10:47.41 | lpb-oberon | well bye:) |
| 10:47.45 | Zugschlus | Dewi: that depends |
| 10:47.46 | C`Alex | ??? |
| 10:47.54 | bigup | lpb-oberon: thank you very much ^^ |
| 10:47.54 | C`Alex | Zugschlus, remove all linux ? |
| 10:47.57 | lpb-oberon | Dewi: udevinfo |
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| 10:48.09 | Dewi | Zugschlus / lpb-oberon: I just plugged in a USB device; and I want to find it in /dev or /sys or whatever |
| 10:48.11 | Zugschlus | C`Alex: if your system has been compromised by a hacker, you'll never know what he left behind |
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| 10:48.24 | lorenz | !vmware |
| 10:48.25 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, vmware is for 2.6 kernels, download the patches from ftp://platan.vc.cvut.cz/pub/vmware, read the README, or #vmware, or vmware 5.0 supports 2.6 kernels happily, or offtopic for #debian, being as it is proprietary. You paid for it; get support from the vendor. You DID pay for it, right? |
| 10:48.27 | JaVaSan | erhanr, bash: alsaconf: command not found |
| 10:48.32 | Zugschlus | Dewi: what kind of an usb device, on which OS version? static /dev? udev? devfs? |
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| 10:48.46 | mr_kreg | is there a webmin module or something i can use to update every user in /etc/passwd to /sbin/nologin? |
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| 10:48.50 | lpb-oberon | Dewi: take a look at your logfiles |
| 10:48.54 | Dewi | Zugschlus: testing, whichever it has. The device is a UPS. |
| 10:49.09 | Dewi | lpb-oberon: I have the log entry... it doesn't have anything useful |
| 10:49.15 | lpb-oberon | mmh |
| 10:49.16 | erhanr | JaVaSan: alsa drivers are installed ? |
| 10:49.16 | JaVaSan | if i try to intall it... i need to install alsa-base... and to do it.... i need to remove linux-sound-base... :S what should i do? *-) |
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| 10:49.28 | Dewi | lpb-oberon: well, it might be useful, but I don't know how to interpret |
| 10:49.38 | Zugschlus | Dewi: use lsusb to find out whether it has been properly detected |
| 10:49.40 | Juul | if something is mounted read-only and fstab specifies that it be mounted rw; does mount -a then remount it rw? |
| 10:49.42 | erhanr | alsa-utils too |
| 10:49.59 | JaVaSan | erhanr, remove linux-sound-base and install alsa-base anyway ? |
| 10:50.03 | Dewi | Zugschlus / lpb-oberon : Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0592:0002 Powerware Corp. |
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| 10:50.29 | C`Alex | Zugschlus :(( i reistall linux and i don't know how i configure network :( |
| 10:50.35 | C`Alex | how i can save configure network ? |
| 10:50.51 | C`Alex | eth1 eth0 |
| 10:50.51 | karsten | JaVaSan: I don't believe mount will remount with an '-a' option. |
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| 10:51.02 | Dewi | Zugschlus / lpb-oberon : so would it have a device node? How would I normally identify that device in a config file? |
| 10:51.02 | erhanr | hmm |
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| 10:51.20 | Zugschlus | C`Alex: you're a total beginner with no idea of having what to do. IRC is the wrong medium for you. I suggest finding a local Linux User Group |
| 10:51.25 | escalade | hi all |
| 10:51.33 | Zugschlus | Dewi: that all depends on your device |
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| 10:51.37 | zeda | Juul: not sure, but mount -o remount is usually used. |
| 10:51.38 | JaVaSan | karim_, what you meant? |
| 10:51.52 | karsten | C`Alex: /etc/network/interfaces. man interfaces. |
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| 10:52.19 | Dewi | Zugschlus: it's a UPS. I need to fill in the "port" field in ups.conf for nut, which normally expects a serial device node, but supposedly can accept usb |
| 10:52.23 | escalade | yesterday installed debian en today installe apache2,php5,mysql5,phpyadmin and works within 5min :O |
| 10:52.27 | escalade | its amazing |
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| 10:52.42 | Sevidul | of course! |
| 10:53.08 | escalade | on gentoo is cost me at least 30min... |
| 10:53.10 | C`Alex | 10x |
| 10:53.12 | JaVaSan | karsten, what do you meant? |
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| 10:53.22 | karim_ | JaVaSan: well did not say anything so far in here |
| 10:53.22 | Zugschlus | Dewi: I have noticed that. But there are many different ways of accessing a UPS. The easiest way would be to mimic an USB serial port, but whether your UPS vendor has gone that way or some different way is beyond my knowlegde |
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| 10:53.55 | JaVaSan | karim_, sorry... |
| 10:53.57 | Dewi | Zugschlus: beyond mine too. I can't find a single piece of documentation on how to set up nut with USB |
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| 10:54.15 | `mrz | Good afternoon |
| 10:54.18 | Dewi | Zugschlus: and as for my UPS, it's meant to run with its own "linux" software which only works on redhat-likes |
| 10:54.27 | `mrz | What package in debian provides mysql support for apache/php ? |
| 10:54.47 | vrt | hello all, my apt seems to be acting wierd - everytime i got an apt-get install , it asked for remvoing initrd-tools, kernel-image-<version> and base-config |
| 10:54.55 | vrt | should i go ahead ?? |
| 10:54.57 | Dewi | Zugschlus: it tried to mess around with /etc/init.d in the wrong way and installation failed |
| 10:55.15 | Zugschlus | Dewi: if your UPS shows up as a serial port, the node would be ttyUSB0 |
| 10:55.23 | Zugschlus | (if it's your first usb serial port) |
| 10:55.23 | Dewi | Zugschlus: what exactly is one supposed to do about people just saying "linux" and meaning "redhat only"? |
| 10:55.25 | C`Alex | Zugschlus, where is locate : apt-get ? the db ... |
| 10:55.25 | mr_kreg | how do you change the current shell for all users? |
| 10:55.28 | Dewi | Zugschlus: it's so annoying |
| 10:55.31 | mr_kreg | i want to update /etc/passwd |
| 10:55.44 | Dewi | Zugschlus: automatically? I don't think that has happened |
| 10:55.53 | Zugschlus | C`Alex: your local linux user group can be located by googling for ""linux user group" and your city name |
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| 10:56.32 | Zugschlus | Dewi: on a udev system, the device node should show up automatically. I have no usb serial adapter available at the moment, so I cannot try |
| 10:56.39 | C`Alex | pfff |
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| 10:56.50 | C`Alex | webpage for apt-get install <lib> |
| 10:56.56 | C`Alex | .... |
| 10:56.58 | C`Alex | stable |
| 10:57.05 | Dewi | Zugschlus: hmm. I think it must be '/dev/bus/usb/001/002' |
| 10:57.14 | C`Alex | where i can find surse an my linux |
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| 10:58.54 | C`Alex | ..lists |
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| 11:01.38 | lpb-oberon | dewi you got udev? |
| 11:01.43 | Tempest2k | im buying the bits to build a linux server can anybody help with recomending any hardware |
| 11:01.46 | `mrz | What package in debian provides mysql support for apache/php ? |
| 11:01.50 | Dewi | lpb-oberon: I believe so. I'm running testing. |
| 11:02.03 | `mrz | Tempest2k, sure. what is the role of the server? - what is it serving :) |
| 11:02.05 | lpb-oberon | try: udevinfo -q path -n /dev/bus/usb/001/002 |
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| 11:02.09 | escalade | 'mrz: php5-mysql |
| 11:02.28 | `mrz | escalade, thank you. |
| 11:02.29 | Tempest2k | i was looking at duel core cpus what work best with stable debian amd or intel ? |
| 11:02.31 | C`Alex | aaa |
| 11:02.31 | C`Alex | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:02.34 | C`Alex | i find |
| 11:02.42 | C`Alex | Zugschlus, /etc/apt/sources.list ;) |
| 11:02.43 | C`Alex | }{ |
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| 11:03.28 | `mrz | Tempest2k, speak me in private. this channel is not for hardware :) |
| 11:03.55 | lpb-oberon | udevinfo -a -p `udevinfo -q path -n /dev/bus/usb/001/002` |
| 11:03.56 | Dewi | lpb-oberon: that just tells me the class of usb device. I assume that device path is probably what nut is expecting, but I am still trying to find any documentation to confirm this |
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| 11:04.10 | karsten | Tempest2k: Pick your poison. |
| 11:04.33 | lpb-oberon | that shows you almost all information ... |
| 11:04.36 | karsten | Tempest2k: Actually, my experience is that dual core and HT are both somewhat marginal. |
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| 11:05.25 | Dewi | lpb-oberon: all it says is "/class/usb_device/usbdev1.2". |
| 11:05.31 | Dewi | lpb-oberon: lsusb had more information than that |
| 11:05.55 | lpb-oberon | <lpb-oberon> udevinfo -a -p `udevinfo -q path -n /dev/bus/usb/001/002` |
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| 11:06.39 | trumpet | hello, I want to share internet connection to other pc connected through network cable (eth0) can anybody help me with this ?...I found with google some approaches but those are old or use strange commands (as netconf)... |
| 11:06.55 | karsten | trumpet: NAT HOWTO. |
| 11:07.05 | lpb-oberon | netfilter.org |
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| 11:07.26 | Dewi | lpb-oberon: oh. sorry :P |
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| 11:11.16 | tarzeau | retarded. debian's got more font software than fonts! |
| 11:11.33 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 11:11.33 | dpkg | <TheCrazedLog> So anyone got any pearls of wisdom they care to pass on? <TheCrazedLog> that are relevant to my problem =P <sussudio> don't eat the yellow snow |
| 11:11.43 | lorenz | hello. i'm a question. i'm configuring vmware server. unluckily it ask me What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running |
| 11:11.47 | lorenz | kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] |
| 11:11.56 | tarzeau | lorenz: yes |
| 11:11.57 | lorenz | . but this directory in my system doesn't exist. (the problem is not concerning vmware, but the directory in debian) |
| 11:12.04 | tarzeau | lorenz: uname -a says what? |
| 11:12.17 | dn4 | tarzeau, that like saying, women talk more about sex, than they actually have. |
| 11:12.20 | tarzeau | lorenz: vmware needs the kernel source/headers |
| 11:12.30 | tarzeau | dn4: women are not retarded. debian is. |
| 11:12.48 | lorenz | tarzeau, now i control that |
| 11:13.28 | lorenz | tarzeau, Linux lorenz 2.6.15-1-486 #2 Mon Mar 6 15:19:16 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 11:13.43 | dn4 | tarzeau, debian can be retarded? |
| 11:14.04 | lorenz | tarzeau, i have to install kernel headers? |
| 11:14.07 | tarzeau | dn4: definitely. yes |
| 11:14.11 | tarzeau | lorenz: yes, the right ones |
| 11:14.25 | lorenz | tarzeau, ok thanks |
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| 11:14.27 | dn4 | tarzeau, I always thought windows was more of a RE-tARD than debian! |
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| 11:14.42 | Qqqqq | hey |
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| 11:17.32 | dn4 | WEWT!!! I LOVE LIFE And SANGRIA! |
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| 11:19.37 | alk^ | dn4; drunk already? |
| 11:19.44 | karsten | Does KDE support emacs / readline keybindings? |
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| 11:20.19 | dn4 | alk^, that is the good part, the no so good part is the 5:20am and still no sense of needing sleep |
| 11:20.38 | dn4 | I so want to chung a beer one day and slam the bottle against the wall |
| 11:21.18 | lorenz | tarzeau, it was right. thanks a lot! |
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| 11:22.22 | kreg | anyone know how to use vi to delete lines matching a pattern? |
| 11:22.46 | bbrazil | kreg: d/pattern/ I think |
| 11:24.00 | bbrazil | kreg: ah, :%s/pattern\n// |
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| 11:25.28 | kreg | well close |
| 11:25.35 | kreg | that looks like it deltes the pattern itself |
| 11:25.42 | kreg | oh that's a substituion |
| 11:25.49 | kreg | i need to delete the lines |
| 11:25.57 | kreg | trying to clean an /etc/passwd file |
| 11:26.10 | kreg | trying to match all users with a certain pattern in the comment filed |
| 11:26.39 | sussudio | !tell kreg about enter |
| 11:26.44 | bbrazil | well, you'll need to play with it a bit |
| 11:26.54 | bbrazil | what you really want is awk I think |
| 11:27.05 | trumpet | kreg: %s/.*PATTERN.*// |
| 11:27.23 | bjb | kreg, sed '/pattern/d' |
| 11:27.44 | bbrazil | kreg: also, manually altering /etc/passwd to delete users is not a good idea, use userdel |
| 11:28.39 | kreg | i disagre in this case |
| 11:28.47 | kreg | some users have a home dir of / |
| 11:28.59 | kreg | don't want to accidentlly trigger the remove home dir as well |
| 11:29.32 | kreg | trumpet, yep thank you. i think that gets me finnaly to the last phase of the clean up |
| 11:29.47 | kreg | i need to figure out how to set a shell for users that don't have a shel stated at all. |
| 11:30.04 | kreg | lots of users of this patteren |
| 11:30.05 | kreg | tires:x:9634:100:B Boyd Eddins:/home/tires: |
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| 11:30.32 | kreg | i copied a huge /etc/passwd file from another sever, to make a new Radius server for dailup |
| 11:30.40 | JaVaSan | how can i mount an extended partition? *-) |
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| 11:32.14 | kreg | is there such a patter i can tell perl, awk, vi, to add /bin/bash to the end of all lines ending in ":" ? |
| 11:33.21 | bjb | kreg: sed 's/:$/:/bin/bash/' /etc/passwd > /etc/passwd.new Note that I haven't tested it. |
| 11:33.27 | bjb | oops |
| 11:33.40 | kreg | it's ok, i'm playing with a backup |
| 11:33.41 | bjb | escape the / in the replacement |
| 11:33.45 | Jhair | Running startx -- :2 from within a chroot messes the default display |
| 11:33.46 | Jhair | (i.e. :1). What could be the reason? |
| 11:33.51 | bjb | or use other chars for the sed / delimiters |
| 11:33.58 | Jhair | The chroot runs testing |
| 11:34.25 | kreg | bjb escape wich / ? |
| 11:34.45 | bjb | sed 's/:$/\/bin\/bash/' |
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| 11:34.56 | bjb | or sed 's!:$:/bin/bash:' |
| 11:35.05 | bjb | argh |
| 11:35.16 | bjb | I mean, sed 's!:$!/bin/bash!' |
| 11:36.09 | ubushine | hey folks, i caught the end of a udev chat a while ago, i don't have it installed on a new sarge install. is there really a reason to? |
| 11:37.39 | ubushine | i mean i can see my 2 hardrives, and i can mount usb flash drives. |
| 11:37.57 | bbrazil | kreg: userdel only does that if you specify -d |
| 11:38.08 | kreg | i think it's -r |
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| 11:41.01 | kreg | bjb, close |
| 11:41.15 | kreg | it doesn't seem to seperate the homedir path and the shell path with a : |
| 11:41.19 | JaVaSan | how can i mount an extend partition ? |
| 11:41.26 | bjb | ah, oops |
| 11:41.27 | kreg | shold be easy to fix tho, yet i still haven't got it to do that |
| 11:41.45 | bjb | sed 's!:$!:/bin/bash!' |
| 11:42.10 | bjb | Hmm |
| 11:42.23 | kreg | i'm hoping to ignore all lines not ending in : |
| 11:42.26 | bjb | Maybe ! wasn't such a good separator either (special to shell) |
| 11:43.14 | bjb | Ok, try another one: sed 's^:$^:/bin/bash^' |
| 11:43.44 | kreg | bjb, hey i think we got it >: ) |
| 11:44.01 | kreg | yep as you said bjb |
| 11:44.04 | kreg | sed 's!:$!:/sbin/nologin!' passwd > passwd.new |
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| 11:44.26 | kreg | that appears so far to have updated all lines ending in : and not any other line |
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| 11:44.45 | bjb | kreg, excellent |
| 11:44.56 | kreg | oh no. yer excellent |
| 11:45.11 | bjb | heh. Have fun with your new sed skills. :-) |
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| 11:47.31 | kreg | bjb, thank you much! |
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| 11:48.56 | bjb | kreg, you're welcome |
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| 11:57.55 | aidan | I can't find the bug #256831 |
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| 11:58.25 | aidan | oh, yes I can, I was lying - sorry |
| 11:59.29 | Gnea | !dbugs 256831 |
| 11:59.32 | dpkg | DONE:#256831:N[php4] session-dir permission problem in sarge; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:48:04 UTC |
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| 12:06.30 | pd_pilota | españolllll |
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| 12:09.31 | darkraven | hy everybody! i have installed samba and smbfs and i want to connect to a windows-pc; i can connect with smb4k(kde-prog),but not with (gnome)places->network;my smb.conf -> http://nopaste.debianforum.de/2746 |
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| 12:13.44 | ludwig_ | Hallo! |
| 12:14.30 | ludwig_ | I have a BIG problem with fetchmail exiting when fetched an email directed to "Undisclosed Recipients:;" ... |
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| 12:15.28 | ludwig_ | The fetchmail option ' envelope 1 "Received"' is not always of help (once it needs envelope 1, once no "1", once it is 2) ... |
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| 12:17.55 | OO | giorno |
| 12:18.31 | ludwig_ | buond?! |
| 12:19.23 | LOOP_o | scusate |
| 12:19.31 | LOOP_o | sono nuovo di linux |
| 12:19.35 | LOOP_o | ho installato debian |
| 12:19.41 | nanok | !it |
| 12:19.41 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 12:20.02 | LOOP_o | qthanks |
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| 12:21.17 | Atrocity | can i telnet into my debian box on a fresh install? |
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| 12:21.22 | TANATHOS | Hey |
| 12:21.40 | TANATHOS | question: how do I find out my kernel version, adn how do you recompile it? |
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| 12:21.58 | zamolxes | TANATHOS: uname - |
| 12:21.59 | zamolxes | TANATHOS: uname -r |
| 12:22.32 | TANATHOS | aham |
| 12:22.36 | TANATHOS | recompiling? |
| 12:22.49 | nanok | TANATHOS: kernel tutorial |
| 12:22.52 | nanok | TANATHOS: google |
| 12:23.05 | nanok | TANATHOS: debian way |
| 12:23.05 | zamolxes | not quite |
| 12:23.21 | TANATHOS | hmmm |
| 12:23.23 | zamolxes | !kernel package |
| 12:23.23 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz (use zless or lynx), or http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
| 12:23.48 | TANATHOS | hmm tnx guys |
| 12:23.56 | zamolxes | best of luck |
| 12:23.57 | TANATHOS | newbie stupidity |
| 12:25.17 | zamolxes | TANATHOS: using kernel-package is best, you will have a deb file with the compiled image |
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| 12:25.42 | Atrocity | nm |
| 12:25.44 | Atrocity | putty worked |
| 12:25.46 | Atrocity | ssh |
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| 12:26.58 | menko | Hi, um, just curious, do I need the xprint packagel. I don't have a printer connected locally atm, but I might be using one on the lan via samba soon. So, if I'm going to be using cups to access this remote printer, do I need xprint? |
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| 12:36.33 | appolito | hi, does anybody know which package provides lspci? |
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| 12:36.50 | Eulex | !tell appolito about search |
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| 12:37.04 | tarzeau | appolito: pciutils |
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| 12:37.55 | appolito | oh, it is in pciutils-dev |
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| 12:45.01 | BadMan | anybody up? |
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| 12:45.08 | zleap | hi |
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| 12:45.16 | himmelstrutten | hello. I am in the need of blocking out the use of gnutella/kazaa/bittorrent from our LAN. is there an easy way of doing that with iptables? |
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| 12:45.24 | unknown_ | !bootlog |
| 12:45.24 | dpkg | /etc/default/bootlogd now defaults to "no". Edit that to get your /var/log/boot file back. For more info, see bugs.debian.org/213028, or not a command (opposed to dmesg) |
| 12:45.34 | BadMan | What gives, I adjsuted the line in my /etc/inittab and changed it from 2 to 5 for x to start,b ut x dont start after a clean boot.. |
| 12:46.07 | zleap | is x installed properly |
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| 12:46.37 | BadMan | yeah it seems to work fine from startx |
| 12:46.42 | zleap | hm |
| 12:46.52 | zleap | what error do you get |
| 12:46.54 | timo | BadMan, install a login manager |
| 12:47.05 | menko | BadMan: If I remember correctly, X started starting automatically when I installed gdm |
| 12:47.09 | BadMan | timo: such as kdm or gdm? |
| 12:47.13 | timo | BadMan, yes |
| 12:47.16 | BadMan | ok |
| 12:47.26 | BadMan | maybe i forgot that... |
| 12:47.36 | Ronin | himmelstrutten: it will be hard just using iptables as each of those apps can use different ports |
| 12:47.55 | timo | BadMan, in Debian, runlevels don't have an effect on X starting |
| 12:48.18 | himmelstrutten | ronin: so how would it be possible to block them out? |
| 12:48.18 | BadMan | timo: then why are they there? |
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| 12:48.25 | zleap | using start x does not call a login manager does it |
| 12:48.30 | timo | zleap, no |
| 12:48.56 | zleap | perhaps thats the problem, |
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| 12:49.12 | timo | BadMan, I don't know. I suppose you use them as you please |
| 12:49.20 | BadMan | lol |
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| 12:49.25 | zleap | where do you set which login manager to use, perhaps it's trying to load one that is not installed |
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| 12:49.51 | timo | zleap, /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 12:49.56 | zleap | ah |
| 12:50.01 | BadMan | i am certain the login manager knows that I tried to install gdm login manager once and it warned me of kdm... |
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| 12:50.11 | qweo | Hi to all! Can anybody help with X11R7 (from debian-experemental package...): switching between X and console by presing ctrl+alt+Fx and keybord layaout switching don't working... |
| 12:50.18 | zleap | it's probably worth checking which one it's trying to use |
| 12:50.22 | BadMan | and low and behold auto x start... |
| 12:50.36 | BadMan | timo: thanks |
| 12:50.42 | zleap | gweo - i got that problem too |
| 12:51.04 | timo | BadMan, think nothing of it |
| 12:51.04 | BadMan | now can anyone help me get full use of my screen "realestate" |
| 12:51.10 | zleap | i am using x.org 6.9 and that has the same problem, I think 6.8 did too |
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| 12:51.19 | usn | hi folx |
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| 12:51.41 | jengelh | In the debian installer, is it possible to use an alternate key for Alt+F2 (this key combination is not available over serial) |
| 12:52.05 | qweo | zleap: in 6.9 package from SID (i'm using SID) all OK |
| 12:52.18 | zleap | hmm i got sid too |
| 12:52.50 | zleap | ctrl-alt-fx not working when x auto starts, goto init 3 and startx and it works from there |
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| 12:53.08 | bbrazil | jengelh: alt-right arrow maybe |
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| 12:53.31 | alnr | i'm having trouble installing gnupg. apt-get says 'no such file' and I dont see it in aptitude search. Is this not a standard package? |
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| 12:54.33 | qweo | zleap: strange...I'm allways working with init 3 runlevel and allways runing X by startx command,but i've got this problem too |
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| 12:54.45 | dadexter | alnr: tried apt-cache search gnupg? |
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| 12:55.11 | zleap | i guess something is blocking that key combo |
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| 12:55.34 | qweo | zleap: some X module,because X11R7 is modular :D |
| 12:55.40 | zleap | but only in init 5 not init 3, one difference is that a login manager is loaded in init 5 |
| 12:55.51 | zleap | could be, may have to look into that |
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| 12:56.18 | djk_ | is there a dvd version of sarge? |
| 12:56.31 | zleap | should be |
| 12:56.36 | zleap | www.cheeplinux,com |
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| 12:56.43 | zleap | sorry .com |
| 12:56.47 | zleap | be back later |
| 12:56.48 | trumpet | how can I run automatically settting network? (dhcp) |
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| 12:57.03 | djk_ | i would have looked at debian.org, but the site times out |
| 12:57.14 | sanxiyn | djk_: Yes, currently down. |
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| 12:57.44 | djk_ | sanxiyn: ah, when will it be back? |
| 12:57.48 | qweo | trumpet: install dhcpcd and modify /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:57.54 | qweo | trumpet: iface eth0-work inet dhcp |
| 12:58.03 | Atrocity | i really like this aptitude system |
| 12:58.07 | Atrocity | makes installing a BREEZE |
| 12:58.12 | sanxiyn | trumpet: Or dhcp3-client. |
| 12:58.15 | alnr | dadexter: thanks. that shows gnupg2 which i'll try. funny thing was that apt-get started out saying gnupg was going to be installed then didnt find it. hmm got a 'failed to open' and a 'size mismatch' for gnupg2 |
| 12:58.17 | qweo | it's example from "man interfaces" |
| 12:58.28 | sanxiyn | Reportedly dhcpcd works fine too. |
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| 12:58.52 | trumpet | qweo,sanxiyn thanks |
| 12:58.54 | dadexter | alnr: run a apt-get update to be sure it's all up to date |
| 12:58.59 | BadMan | is there an xserver chat on here? |
| 12:58.59 | sanxiyn | djk_: 9 hours left. |
| 12:59.07 | alnr | dadexter: good idea. |
| 12:59.14 | djk_ | sanxiyn: thanks. |
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| 12:59.54 | sanxiyn | djk_: This saturday (2006-03-25), between 13:00 and 21:00 UTC, some debian.org machines hosted by HP are going down due to maintenance. -- from debian-devel-announce |
| 13:00.00 | sanxiyn | Oops, so 8 hours. |
| 13:00.14 | alnr | is either me or theres a server problem i get tons of errors on apt-get update |
| 13:00.38 | dadexter | alnr: are you using a local mirror? or a debian.org one? |
| 13:01.00 | sanxiyn | This includes people.debian.org, planet.debian.org, cvs.debian.org, lintian.debian.org, buildd.debian.org, qa.debian.org, nm.debian.org, db.debian.org. |
| 13:01.20 | sanxiyn | So... well, not mcuh debian.org today. |
| 13:01.57 | alnr | the messages say ftp.us.debian.org and non-us.debian.org |
| 13:01.59 | djk_ | sanxiyn: good to know, thanks. been thinking about using either debian or gentoo. |
| 13:02.06 | dadexter | alnr: check what sanxiyn is saying... server maintenance... change your mirror if you're using a debian.org one :P |
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| 13:02.30 | BadMan | alnr: I tend to use a "nearby" college, seems to be the most reliable ones |
| 13:02.43 | sanxiyn | Oops, the announcement mail didn't say so, but apparently this includes www and alioth too. |
| 13:02.44 | sanxiyn | :( |
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| 13:02.52 | jvw | djk_: www.nl.debian.org works, just as all mirrors are still up too |
| 13:03.09 | himmelstrutten | hiya! is there any tool out there to adjust the bandwidth to certain computers that are connected to a LAN? |
| 13:03.36 | Noboru | i can't believe it i am experiencing so many problem in using a forum on windows server |
| 13:03.48 | Noboru | when i was using it on linux, no problem at all |
| 13:03.48 | alnr | thanks |
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| 13:06.47 | wols | himmelstrutten: wondershaper, trickle. and as always the excellent lartc.org howto |
| 13:07.03 | himmelstrutten | wols: thanks for the pointer! |
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| 13:07.18 | wols | don't thank me prematurely. that's heavy stuff |
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| 13:08.26 | pingouin | someone can remind me, some tools to partitionning/formating a new hard drive , in command console , please, thanks you |
| 13:08.46 | sanxiyn | pingouin: fdisk for partitioning? |
| 13:08.49 | nanok | pingouin: fdisk/sfdisk, mkfs.* |
| 13:09.01 | nanok | pingouin: maybe cfdisk also |
| 13:09.14 | BadMan | Dont all of the debian installers have a partioner durign install? |
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| 13:09.30 | sanxiyn | BadMan: Yes. |
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| 13:09.54 | sanxiyn | How does one use sfdisk anyway? I couldn't figure it out. |
| 13:09.57 | BadMan | I thought so, Id idnt need to pre-partition anything.. |
| 13:10.05 | sanxiyn | I'm fine with fdisk. |
| 13:10.14 | pingouin | sanxiyn , nanok , perfect !! thank you very much |
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| 13:10.43 | pingouin | cfdisk was the one i looked for, can't remerber the name |
| 13:11.03 | pingouin | BadMan: yep, but...after on a sarge already installed, i've just bought a new hd |
| 13:11.10 | DevilChaos | someone help me sort my sound card out please? no card found |
| 13:11.11 | pingouin | need to part/format it |
| 13:11.14 | alnr | wols: was just looking at all that. I am in the market for something that will throttle smtp abusers. maybe recent/limit in iptables |
| 13:11.15 | lug_ | .bashrc isnt getting soruces wwhen i open a new terminal...why? |
| 13:11.24 | BadMan | pingouin: ahhh |
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| 13:13.16 | sanxiyn | lug_: Your terminal? |
| 13:13.27 | wols | alnr: I'd look into MTA software instead |
| 13:13.39 | pingouin | by the way...is an mkfs.ext3 -V /dev/hdx is enought to do the formating ? |
| 13:13.41 | wols | alnr: and smtp auth is your friend |
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| 13:14.00 | wols | pingouin: no. you need to format partitions, not disks |
| 13:14.02 | alnr | my input MTA is written by me, with exim backend |
| 13:14.24 | sanxiyn | pingouin: mkfs /dev/hda1 or so, not /dev/hda. |
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| 13:14.38 | lug_ | sanxiyn bash |
| 13:14.38 | alnr | i can do anything in my code, but thought I could i might be able to do it easier in iptables |
| 13:14.40 | pingouin | wols: sorry so.. mkfs.ext3 -V /dev/hd(a)(b)x for instance |
| 13:14.45 | pingouin | sanxiyn: ok thank you very much |
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| 13:14.55 | loukaic | hello. Can somebody tell me why dev/dsp is missing? I have all the drivers loaded i can't fiure out why |
| 13:15.00 | sanxiyn | lug_: I mean, graphical terminal emulator you're using. |
| 13:15.05 | sanxiyn | lug_: Not shell. |
| 13:15.15 | wols | alnr: you want to do application ifltering. it would be harder to do with with something that only knows about packets |
| 13:15.20 | lug_ | sanxiyn kde |
| 13:15.39 | wols | loukaic: udev? |
| 13:15.46 | lug_ | sanxiyn but im using putty to ssh to the comp |
| 13:16.07 | sanxiyn | lug_: Eh, why should it run .bashrc then? |
| 13:16.14 | sanxiyn | lug_: Check whether .bash_profile is run. |
| 13:16.14 | loukaic | not i can't see any udev |
| 13:16.17 | dadexter | loukaic: do you have snd-pcm-oss loaded? |
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| 13:16.41 | wols | !udev |
| 13:16.42 | dpkg | udev is, like, at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of DevFS, or a package which breaks particularly often in unstable, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.12 in testing and unstable |
| 13:16.45 | sanxiyn | lug_: In case of terminals, look for "Run as login shell" preference. |
| 13:16.46 | lug_ | saxnisnt bashrc run when a terminal is opened? or is that bashprofile |
| 13:17.07 | loukaic | it says so in mod.conf. when i do a lsmod i get snd_ens1371 23012 0 |
| 13:17.08 | loukaic | snd_rawmidi 23204 1 snd_ens1371 |
| 13:17.08 | loukaic | snd_seq_device 7944 1 snd_rawmidi |
| 13:17.08 | loukaic | snd_pcm 85384 1 snd_ens1371 |
| 13:17.08 | loukaic | snd_page_alloc 11144 1 snd_pcm |
| 13:17.08 | loukaic | snd_timer 23300 1 snd_pcm |
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| 13:17.29 | sanxiyn | lug_: login shell runs .bash_profile, interactive shell that is not login shell runs .bashrc. |
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| 13:17.40 | sanxiyn | lug_: So it's natural that putty doesn't run .bashrc. |
| 13:17.46 | lug_ | ooh |
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| 13:18.16 | BadMan | !paste |
| 13:18.17 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 13:18.26 | alnr | wols: yes doing in packets is stretching the capabilities but the limit thing on iptables looked like it might give me a quick and dirty way to stop someone hammering me |
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| 13:19.25 | alnr | wols: but i think that just drops connections rather than slowing them down which is what i really want |
| 13:19.39 | BadMan | arg I cant get rid of this damn black scqaure around my laptop display.. it only gives me 640x480 and the only modeline I select is 800x600! |
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| 13:20.11 | loukaic | dadexter i think i've got it loaded. I 've got a folder /snd in dev |
| 13:20.29 | sched | somewhere knows a tools when can emulator network? |
| 13:20.37 | sched | so, what is the NIST ? |
| 13:20.39 | loukaic | and a module snd_pcm is shown when i do lsmod |
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| 13:21.26 | jone1 | hi, can anyone tell me how I can get xml support in pdbedit for samba? |
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| 13:21.39 | wols | loukaic: no one asked about snd_pcm. learn to read what's asked |
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| 13:22.30 | isilzha | hi. is there some up to date howto that describes updating the kernel in debian? i only found pretty outdated ones and debian.org seems to be down |
| 13:22.34 | wols | 14:16 < dadexter> loukaic: do you have snd-pcm-oss loaded? |
| 13:22.42 | loukaic | wols. in modules.conf I have alias sound-service-0-3 snd-pcm-oss |
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| 13:23.19 | loukaic | not it shows a module snd-pcm only |
| 13:23.22 | wols | loukaic: learn to read what's ASKED. don't make up the questions you give answers for |
| 13:23.59 | wols | if it's not loaded, put it into your /etc/modules then |
| 13:24.05 | wols | and make sure it is loaded |
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| 13:24.17 | alnr | wols: anyway thanks. exim might just have what i need |
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| 13:24.55 | wols | isilzha: newbiedoc.berlios.de/wiki/Main_Page perhaps |
| 13:25.06 | isilzha | and most importantly: how would i cover up for the worst case? mkboot won't work for me |
| 13:25.16 | wols | isilzha: tho, compiling a kernel is very easy. unpack source, make menuconfig, run kernel-package. done |
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| 13:25.50 | wols | hardest part is make menuconfig, since that's something no howto can really teach you since it depends on your personal hardware |
| 13:25.54 | shastry | debian.org is down ? |
| 13:26.10 | wols | seems like it |
| 13:26.14 | roxy_ | Hi, I "aptitude install postgresql-8.1 postgresql-client-8.1", but can't get to the sql shell. |
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| 13:27.00 | wols | define "can't get to" |
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| 13:27.23 | roxy_ | sq<TAB> doesn't give anything |
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| 13:27.39 | dadexter | shastry: maintenance |
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| 13:28.10 | roxy_ | wols: note: I am used to mysql, where just typing "mysql" would give you the sql shell |
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| 13:28.48 | roxy_ | wols: po<TAB> doesn't give anything either |
| 13:28.52 | wols | roxy_: locate sql |grep bin |
| 13:28.53 | shastry | dadexter: woot you moved from arch ? |
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| 13:29.03 | dadexter | shastry: long time ago :P |
| 13:29.09 | wols | to see if it's in there. or just look what files postgresql-client installs |
| 13:29.13 | dadexter | shastry: rotate between debian and slack :P |
| 13:29.22 | shastry | dadexter: what about "latest and greatest ?" |
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| 13:30.16 | dadexter | shastry: you mean slack? working fine :P |
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| 13:30.40 | isilzha | wols: there seems to be no howto regarding kernels on this page. was this method recently changed? because i found a howto dated from 2004. |
| 13:31.01 | wols | isilzha: no, hasn't changed at all |
| 13:31.05 | wols | !kp mantra |
| 13:31.06 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
| 13:31.10 | shastry | dadexter: hehe |
| 13:31.19 | roxy_ | wols: nothing, however "dpkg -L postgresql-client-8.1 | grep bin" gave me a lot of stuff in /usr/lib/postgresql/8.1/bin. Do I have to link it myself(I am new to debian and thought aptitude would do it for me)? |
| 13:31.29 | KiD|Vidjeuh | ok, i have a very old pc, now there is windows 95 on it, can i put linox on that ? And how do i remove windows ? |
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| 13:31.44 | wols | but simply running make-kpkg --targets and then choosing what you want is enough |
| 13:31.47 | wols | rest is unneeded |
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| 13:32.06 | wols | roxy_: why link? |
| 13:32.26 | wols | KiD|Vidjeuh: you simply overwrite windows. e.g. reformat the partition |
| 13:32.41 | KiD|Vidjeuh | ah k, and then with the boot cd ? |
| 13:32.49 | wols | KiD|Vidjeuh: hardest will be able to get it to boot. linux rarely likes to install from floppies. very tedious |
| 13:33.07 | wols | simply putting in the Boot CD is enough. you can do everything from there |
| 13:33.13 | KiD|Vidjeuh | oke, tx :) |
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| 13:33.22 | roxy_ | wols: /usr/lib/postgresql/8.1/bin is not in noone path, link or change path for user. shouldn't the package take care of it? |
| 13:33.23 | isilzha | wols: ok then i'll see how this looks like. ;) thank you |
| 13:33.24 | wols | if it can boot from CD that is |
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| 13:34.10 | BadMan | wols the 4 disk sarge floppy netinst was flawless. |
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| 13:34.28 | BadMan | even for my laptop on wifi |
| 13:34.41 | shastry | dadexter: any idea when it will be restored ? |
| 13:34.42 | wols | BadMan: I don't even have floppiy drives anymore, so I couldn't say |
| 13:34.42 | blondie | FLOPPY |
| 13:34.43 | loukaic | wols snd_pcm_oss is now loaded. still /dev/dsp is missing |
| 13:34.49 | BadMan | true.. hehe |
| 13:34.50 | Delicates | how would you organise adding a 500GB drive to your already running system? As in how would you partition it, format it, mount it? |
| 13:35.04 | wols | loukaic: man MAKEDEV |
| 13:35.14 | blondie | Delicates: fdisk/mkfs/mount |
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| 13:35.34 | phogg | Delicates: that depends entirely on what the system is and where you need the space |
| 13:35.35 | BadMan | arg!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 13:35.45 | Delicates | blondie: skip fdisk? lvm? mount where? mkfs as what? |
| 13:35.52 | stb- | do i need to use --initrd with make-kpkg for etch? |
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| 13:36.04 | Delicates | phogg: a home PC storage dump |
| 13:36.13 | wols | stb-: you rarely if ever need initrd for custom kernels |
| 13:36.18 | DevilChaos | i need to config sound from motherboard anyone help me out please? |
| 13:36.38 | DevilChaos | cant remember how a did it the last time |
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| 13:36.46 | wols | DevilChaos: fdisk it one big partition, mkfs.xfs it, then mount as /net and make it a samba/nfs share |
| 13:36.52 | phogg | Delicates: One Big Filesystem, then. I use /home/pub as the mountpoint for mine. I'd use reiserfs, though some would tell you ext3 for reliability reasons. |
| 13:36.54 | stb- | i dont need to build modules but how about headers? i need to compile X nvidia driver |
| 13:37.08 | roxy_ | wols: I just found a how-to on postgre7, I'll read it and come back here if needed. thanks for your help |
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| 13:37.46 | wols | stb-: you will need modules, since modules are compiled with kernel-image from kernel-package by default. and yes you need headers for nvidia stuff |
| 13:37.56 | phogg | Delicates: LVM would be a good idea, too, but just make one volume and one logical disk |
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| 13:38.30 | stb- | wols: so run make-kpkg 3 seperate times or do i load my custom kernel and then build modules? |
| 13:38.40 | wols | no you run it once |
| 13:38.58 | stb- | make-kpkg kernel_image kernel_headers modules ? |
| 13:39.03 | wols | make-kpkg binary-arch |
| 13:39.04 | wols | done |
| 13:39.06 | DevilChaos | abrotman: you there? |
| 13:39.12 | Delicates | phogg: /home/pub sounds excellent... I use Reiser4 for /... with lvm will the HD become tied up to my system? as in I won't be able to take it out and stick in into another PC and access my data? |
| 13:39.18 | stb- | wols: ahh k great thx! |
| 13:39.20 | wols | and kernel-image already has all modules inside |
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| 13:39.37 | stb- | im up to my 6th kernel i keep missing things in .config |
| 13:39.40 | stb- | it's been a while |
| 13:40.40 | isilzha | should i be worried if debconf tells that it had to fall back to the dialogue frontend but eventually doesn't show any dialogue? |
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| 13:40.59 | Orestes^ | hi |
| 13:41.14 | stb- | wols: sorry do i make mrproper before kpkg? |
| 13:41.20 | phogg | Delicates: AFAIK you can stick it in another system and make it work with a little work, but I've never tried so I don't know in practice whether it would work. With this kind of setup LVM may not be such a great idea... I use it for combining several disks into one so I can add space to /home/pub and not a subtree. If you don't set up some kind of raid then this means one disk failure will destroy all of your data. |
| 13:41.23 | abrotman | DevilChaos: kind of |
| 13:41.29 | Orestes^ | can someone tell me about a command to know how much memory is a process using? (best if it can say in what function) |
| 13:41.42 | abrotman | man ps |
| 13:41.48 | wols | stb-: I never do |
| 13:41.49 | phogg | Delicates: for my case it doesn't matter since the data is unimportant, but you might prefer not to have that kind of risk |
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| 13:42.29 | Delicates | phogg: ok, if I don't go with lvm, what about skipping fdisk step? |
| 13:42.30 | Orestes^ | abrotman: I was looking more fore something like time, which can tell me when the process ends how much memory it used |
| 13:42.33 | wols | Orestes^: not applicable with a multitasking system using virtual memory excessively |
| 13:42.52 | abrotman | Orestes^: maybe ask #c .. but i'm not aware of anything |
| 13:42.55 | wols | Orestes^: where do you count libc for example? |
| 13:42.57 | Orestes^ | k |
| 13:42.58 | phogg | Delicates: how can you use an unpartitioned disk? |
| 13:43.08 | abrotman | DevilChaos: why? |
| 13:43.09 | Orestes^ | thanks anyway |
| 13:43.19 | Orestes^ | wols: sorry? I don't understand your question |
| 13:43.29 | Delicates | phogg: mkfs /dev/sdb |
| 13:43.51 | wols | Orestes^: it's prtty futile to measure memory usage of processes under linux with the amount of shared libs linux uses |
| 13:43.57 | phogg | Delicates: I don't know that doing that would work. If you know better then your opinion is better than mine. |
| 13:44.04 | wols | and then there is virtual memory making it even more complicated |
| 13:44.04 | Delicates | what't the point of partitioning it when I'm using the entire disk space for one file system? |
| 13:44.13 | wols | and allocated vs. committed |
| 13:44.16 | wols | need I go on? |
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| 13:44.29 | Orestes^ | wols: well, not quite: valgrind can check memory allocated and not freed, so I guess it's not that absurd |
| 13:44.34 | phogg | Delicates: because as far as I know you can't make a filesystem on a raw device. |
| 13:44.51 | wols | that's something else. it's not memory used |
| 13:44.55 | Delicates | phogg: works on thumbdrives |
| 13:45.12 | wols | as I said: allocated vs. committed |
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| 13:45.22 | phogg | Delicates: that's news to me. |
| 13:45.28 | Delicates | phogg: for all I know you can make a file system on any block device and sdb abd sdb1 are both block devices |
| 13:45.30 | stb- | binary-arch is reporting version mismatches while --append-to-version works fine for kernel_image, whats the go? |
| 13:45.36 | Orestes^ | well, if it can trace how much memory was allocated but not freed, you just need to add up all the allocated memory |
| 13:45.38 | wols | phogg: you can make filesystems on files even |
| 13:45.50 | wols | Orestes^: no. allocated != committed |
| 13:45.50 | phogg | Delicates: So do it. |
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| 13:45.56 | sony | alooooooooo |
| 13:45.59 | wols | just cause something is allocated doesn't mean it's used |
| 13:46.15 | Orestes^ | well, ok |
| 13:46.35 | sony | hay |
| 13:46.39 | Orestes^ | so a program which measures how much memory another program allocated :) |
| 13:46.51 | Delicates | phogg: I'm also pondering formatting the drive as ext3 and sticking it into Windows boxes and installing ext2/3 driver on em |
| 13:46.52 | loukaic | wols is that going to be permanent once you do it(e.g /.makedev audio)? |
| 13:46.56 | abrotman | Orestes^: what language? |
| 13:47.03 | wols | I can allocate a GB of memory. it might even show up under ps. but if I don't write something to that GB (in 4k pages sizes), the VM will never really commit the memory to my process |
| 13:47.14 | wols | loukaic: it's files. yes |
| 13:48.01 | Delicates | phogg: though I'm not sure how Windows would behave without a partition table on a drive |
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| 13:48.39 | phogg | Delicates: you're going to dual boot a file server? |
| 13:48.46 | Delicates | phogg: no |
| 13:48.52 | wols | Delicates: it's not worth it under windows or linux to omit the partition table on a hdd |
| 13:48.59 | phogg | Delicates: then who cares what windows thinks? |
| 13:49.10 | Delicates | phogg: I might turn this drive into a floppy though |
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| 13:49.38 | wols | Delicates: is it a internal hdd or external? |
| 13:50.03 | abrotman | unless you're using raw devices |
| 13:50.39 | asg | abrotman: using raw devices makes you sick |
| 13:50.45 | Delicates | wols: judging by number of sectors given to a partition and number of sectors of the drive itself, over 2 megabytes are wasted hehehe |
| 13:50.54 | Delicates | wols: internal |
| 13:50.58 | abrotman | ok .. wtf did devilchaos ask me if i was around .. then disappear ? |
| 13:51.05 | abrotman | asg: mmm .. sick |
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| 13:51.26 | asg | abrotman: better to cook them to an internal temp of 140F |
| 13:51.29 | dilsin_bm | amagad |
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| 13:51.45 | abrotman | asg: 200! |
| 13:51.51 | abrotman | !br |
| 13:51.51 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 13:51.56 | BadMan | is xorg available via apt? |
| 13:51.59 | phogg | Delicates: Screw two megs. |
| 13:52.02 | tortuguito | Dibbler |
| 13:52.06 | tortuguito | dilsin_bm aki |
| 13:52.07 | tortuguito | tem |
| 13:52.08 | wols | Delicates: then "making it a floppy" won't do you any good, or do you have hotplug supportw with your controller? |
| 13:52.08 | tortuguito | mto |
| 13:52.10 | Zvpun | Delicates: how bit is the HD? |
| 13:52.10 | phogg | BadMan: Yes. |
| 13:52.16 | tortuguito | so q a maoiria é gringo dilsin_bm |
| 13:52.19 | tortuguito | fodaz |
| 13:52.27 | abrotman | !br |
| 13:52.27 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 13:52.29 | Delicates | wols: no, I have my trusty screwdriver :o) |
| 13:52.34 | BadMan | same as xfree? xserver-xorg? cause apt-cache search isnt returning anything... |
| 13:52.41 | Delicates | Zvpun: 500 GB ;o) |
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| 13:53.05 | dilsin_bm | somebody could help me to install compiler GCC in my machine? |
| 13:53.10 | phogg | The best part about X.Org is that you can spell it xorg and pronounce it zorg. Yes. |
| 13:53.13 | KiD|Vidjeuh | omg! i can't start up the old pc :s howcome ? |
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| 13:53.19 | wols | dilsin_bm: apt-get build-essential |
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| 13:53.22 | loukaic | wols when i run ./makedev audio it outputs create dsp and a lot of devices but none seem to appear on /dev after the command finished |
| 13:53.25 | abrotman | !b-e dilsin_bm |
| 13:53.25 | dpkg | dilsin_bm: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 13:53.29 | Zvpun | Delicates: oh my god. You think about saving 2 MB of hard disk space and potentially having to deal with obscure errors? |
| 13:53.29 | KiD|Vidjeuh | and i also don't find a hole where i have to put in my mouse |
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| 13:53.49 | dilsin_bm | thanks |
| 13:53.54 | Delicates | Zvpun: I think about everything ;op |
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| 13:54.02 | wols | loukaic: do you run it as root? |
| 13:54.05 | loukaic | yes |
| 13:54.06 | Delicates | Zvpun: I even thing about whether to encrypt it or not |
| 13:54.13 | wols | and if yes: are you sure you aren't using udev? |
| 13:54.13 | phogg | BadMan: probably because it's in testing and you're using stable sources |
| 13:54.14 | Zvpun | Delicates: that is just plain stupid. |
| 13:54.31 | jouno | howdy, my client machine in my home wlan is receiving mega of bytes eventhough i have not started any app that would have received data. is this the sign of intrusion? |
| 13:54.38 | loukaic | what is udev and how do i found out if i'm using it |
| 13:54.39 | BadMan | hmm... |
| 13:54.51 | KiD|Vidjeuh | !?! |
| 13:54.51 | Zvpun | Delicates: one doesnt have to think about everything. E.g one doesnt have to think about whether Darwin is right or not/whetere there are atoms or not. One can just use his/her brain. |
| 13:54.53 | phogg | Hmm... I should upgrade to 6.9. |
| 13:55.03 | wols | !tell loukaic about udev |
| 13:55.07 | BadMan | so xorg isnt on sarge then.. damn no luck at all on this old laptop |
| 13:55.30 | Delicates | Zvpun: that's what using brain is - thinking |
| 13:55.34 | wols | jouno: not necessarily |
| 13:55.56 | colter | After installing thunderbird, I noticed a config directory was created in /etc, containing global configuration directives. Can anybody tell me if these are supposed to be defaults, or immutable global settings, or ... ? |
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| 13:55.58 | abrotman | !tell badman about xorg sarge |
| 13:56.02 | madboy_ | hi |
| 13:56.05 | Zvpun | Delicates: you can waste your entire life thinking about stupid thinks. And you will result in stupid results. |
| 13:56.15 | BadMan | abrotman: thanks |
| 13:56.15 | jouno | wols: why is it receiving the megabytes and how to know what they are? |
| 13:56.23 | phogg | Delicates: Bottom line: Don |
| 13:56.28 | phogg | Delicates: 't do it. |
| 13:56.32 | BadMan | jouno: the WAP and wifi ar in constant communications... |
| 13:56.33 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:56.50 | Delicates | Zvpun: phogg so you rekon partitioned and with ext 3? |
| 13:56.58 | Garda | hey guys |
| 13:56.59 | wols | and you see what it is by examining the traffic (netstat, tcpdump, etc) |
| 13:57.01 | madboy_ | i am setup debian on my pc and apt get install gonome but i cant see genome login screen... |
| 13:57.04 | madboy_ | help me. |
| 13:57.07 | madboy_ | pls |
| 13:57.13 | amd__ | Hello |
| 13:57.17 | Garda | how do i have to configure sshd so that i can tunnel over the internet |
| 13:57.20 | nanok | madboy_: apt-get install gdm |
| 13:57.24 | jouno | wols: that would be an intrusion then. and those data i received could be harmful. |
| 13:57.36 | wols | madboy_: do you have X11 installed? apt-get install x-window-system |
| 13:57.38 | phogg | Delicates: how important is the data it will hold? For my MP3s and movies I use reiserfs, because if I lose them it's just annoying. |
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| 13:57.50 | wols | jouno: could be, but don't have to |
| 13:57.55 | jlamr | Can anyone tell me why I need to type 'perl' in front of the program name in debian, and how I can fix this? |
| 13:57.58 | madboy_ | OK |
| 13:58.01 | Zvpun | Delicates: sure you partition a harddisk. There are mp3-players without partition tables and it is just plain stupid. What about a guy who wants to have an ext partition on the usb-stick? |
| 13:58.09 | wols | jouno: you houls know how you secured your wifi. have you secured it? if not: it's your own fault |
| 13:58.15 | phogg | jlamr: what program name? |
| 13:58.20 | Zvpun | Delicates: If you want to use Windows with it you have the least trouble with FAT |
| 13:58.22 | madboy_ | i do it apt-get install gnome setup .. |
| 13:58.31 | Garda | is there a guide for what i'm looking for, tried google and the man pages already |
| 13:58.37 | dilsin_bm | and I to put an access ftp my machine? |
| 13:58.37 | Zvpun | Delicates: what files do you want to put on it? |
| 13:58.38 | Delicates | phogg: remind me of advantages of reiserfs over ext3? |
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| 13:58.44 | amd__ | Only one simple Yes/No question: I have the latest stable sarge release, is it posible to use quotas with reiserfs? |
| 13:58.46 | madboy_ | but i cant do apt-get install gdm |
| 13:58.48 | phogg | Delicates: faster |
| 13:58.48 | Zvpun | Delicates: if it is just pictures, musik and so on I would use fat |
| 13:58.53 | wols | madboy_: answer my question: do you have X11 installed? if not: install it |
| 13:58.59 | jouno | wols: why would someone connect to my machine and pump megabytes into it? |
| 13:59.00 | vidjeuh | why can't i start up the old pc ? And why don't i find the hole where i have to put my mouse in ? |
| 13:59.09 | madboy_ | i install it.. |
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| 13:59.20 | dilsin_bm | and I to put an access ftp my machine?? |
| 13:59.20 | wols | jouno: do you have your wlan secured? if no, someone might just accidentally connect to it |
| 13:59.21 | jlamr | a perl script |
| 13:59.21 | Zvpun | Delicates: if it is some system stuff ext is a better filesystem in general. |
| 13:59.39 | phogg | jlamr: Make sure the first line is: #!/usr/bin/perl |
| 13:59.45 | phogg | jlamr: make sure it's executable |
| 13:59.52 | phogg | jlamr: make sure it's in your $PATH |
| 14:00.29 | jlamr | phogg: all but the last one, where do I fond that? |
| 14:00.36 | jlamr | *find |
| 14:00.43 | wols | jlamr: is your first line in that script "#!/usr/bin/env perl"? if not, it should be |
| 14:00.55 | jouno | wols: people would want to connect to my AP to use it to access the net but the client machine? |
| 14:01.16 | jouno | wols: what is the point of connecting to a client machine? |
| 14:01.36 | wols | jouno: why would a perperly configured client even acceppt connections from anywhere. fix your config |
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| 14:01.45 | wols | *properly |
| 14:02.01 | BadMan | figures... deb http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ sarge main keeps timing out... |
| 14:02.09 | phogg | jlamr: unless you're tryping an absolute path to the file (e.g. starting from / or ./) then it must be in a directory listed in your PATH environment variable. echo $PATH |
| 14:02.13 | BadMan | durign update that is |
| 14:02.43 | jouno | wols: i must admit i am a newbie to wlan security. what to fix in which config? |
| 14:03.08 | phogg | jlamr: Unlike e.g. DOS by default . is not in PATH |
| 14:03.16 | wols | jouno: enable WPA, MAC filtering, etc |
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| 14:04.08 | jlamr | phogg: ah, that helps, echo $Path returns nothing, so I guess I need to figure out how to set it up, thanks |
| 14:04.22 | asg | jlamr: echo $PATH, not echo $Path |
| 14:04.41 | jouno | wols: that is done on the AP, not a client. why is there a need to secure the client? |
| 14:04.56 | phogg | jlamr: Not $Path, $PATH |
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| 14:05.32 | jlamr | oh. hthere it is. So I need to add the path to perl in there as well then? |
| 14:05.39 | wols | jouno: I don't know what you did wrong with your client or if you did anything wrong at all. bye |
| 14:06.47 | jouno | wols: so u r floored. |
| 14:06.47 | phogg | jlamr: in order to invoke your script by name alone it will need to be in one of the directories listed in your PATH. perl itself is already in PATH which is why you can call it perl and don't have to say /usr/bin/perl |
| 14:06.56 | wols | jouno: yes, cause diagnosing other people's wlan problem when those people can't do something themselves, is HARD |
| 14:06.58 | BadMan | anybody else have any issues connewcting to people.debian.org? |
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| 14:07.08 | wols | no go and come back on sunday. it's the traditional day |
| 14:07.15 | phogg | BadMan: seems down |
| 14:07.28 | BadMan | bah.. ok guess Ig otta wai then hehe |
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| 14:07.35 | BadMan | er wait |
| 14:08.13 | jouno | folks, one more q. after switching over fr xfree96 to xorg, the onscreen-keyboard xvkbd's keys are all blacked out. anyway to fix that? |
| 14:09.22 | jouno | wols: everything is HARD if u don't enough. |
| 14:09.22 | jouno | don't know |
| 14:09.24 | phogg | jouno: bad theme? |
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| 14:09.37 | phogg | !u |
| 14:09.37 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 14:09.44 | jlamr | phogg: that's what I was thinking as well. But the script won't go unless I type 'perl foo.pl' or './foo.pl' |
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| 14:10.08 | phogg | jlamr: Yes, that is the correct behavior. |
| 14:10.11 | abrotman | BadMan: planet.d.o is down too |
| 14:10.17 | BadMan | well, bbl8r hopefully it will be back up soon |
| 14:10.29 | phogg | jlamr: Because your current directory is not in your PATH |
| 14:10.35 | BadMan | thanks for the help as always |
| 14:10.38 | jouno | phogg: bad theme? where to set the theme? |
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| 14:10.52 | juice` | what type of memory is 'buffer memory' showed in top under 'buffers' and in vmstat under 'buff' ? |
| 14:11.26 | juice` | it says in manual it is amount of memory used by buffers, so what are those? can't find anything about 'buffers', its to common word |
| 14:11.39 | jouno | phogg: phogg u, or f.u., which do u prefer? |
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| 14:11.56 | phogg | jouno: I prefer 'you' |
| 14:12.05 | Zvpun | juice`: it is used by the kernel and it is free if it is needed. |
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| 14:12.22 | vidjeuh | why does my old pc don't start :s |
| 14:12.31 | DevilChaos | i get this error message on startup with gconf its to do with my sound card pasted in #flood |
| 14:12.36 | jouno | phogg: haha |
| 14:12.40 | Zvpun | juice`: the kernel meight read files in advanced into memory guessing that you need it. Stuff like that. |
| 14:12.44 | juice` | Zvpun: is it strange that its always around 16-24k on my very busy web server? |
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| 14:12.55 | Quibus | hi |
| 14:12.56 | DevilChaos | anyone know whats wrong with it? |
| 14:13.00 | wols | Zvpun: that's cache. different thing :) |
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| 14:13.14 | Quibus | My apache2 says: Could not determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName |
| 14:13.14 | Quibus | What do I do about that? |
| 14:13.22 | phogg | jlamr: what directory is the script in? |
| 14:13.27 | wols | juice`: 16 kbyte only? it's 16MB for me |
| 14:13.47 | juice` | wols: i have something messed up, and i have no idea what .. |
| 14:13.53 | Zvpun | juice`: man free says: "buffers used by the kernel." I dont know the difference to cached |
| 14:13.57 | juice` | 28k buffers |
| 14:14.05 | jlamr | It's in home/joe, I'm lookin in on howto update $PATH |
| 14:14.13 | DevilChaos | abrotman: i have error messages from my startup script to determine whats wrong with the sound any help ill paste in flood again |
| 14:14.14 | DevilChaos | ? |
| 14:14.16 | juice` | now its 28k, so it's a lot, its usually 16k. any idea how to check it/change it? |
| 14:14.36 | abrotman | DevilChaos: ok |
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| 14:15.08 | juice` | i mean how to check what size should it be, i tried kernel Documentation, but can't find answer |
| 14:15.29 | phogg | jlamr: in bash: export PATH=$PATH:/home/joe would do it, but don't. A better idea is to make your own bin drectory (mkdir ~/bin), add that to your PATH and move your script to that location. |
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| 14:16.09 | wols | juice`: each tcp conection has a buffer for example |
| 14:16.21 | wols | up to 64kB IIRC per connection |
| 14:16.27 | juice` | netstat -tn|wc -l |
| 14:16.27 | juice` | 4329 |
| 14:16.47 | juice` | i have 4329 connections, and only 24k buffer, i wonder why ? |
| 14:16.49 | jlamr | phogg: any particular reason not to do the first option? |
| 14:16.50 | wols | by default 2-4k or so |
| 14:17.01 | SPF | how can I copy a file with special foreign characters? |
| 14:17.04 | wols | 24MB. not kB |
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| 14:17.20 | wols | the unit is kbytes, so 24k of them: 24MB |
| 14:17.36 | phyrster_ | I have this directory under /home : |
| 14:17.37 | phyrster_ | drwx---r-- 2 virtual virtual 296 2006-03-25 22:06 ftpsite |
| 14:17.40 | phogg | jlamr: you should not put generic directories in your path. |
| 14:17.41 | wols | SPF: tried "?" to replace those special chars? |
| 14:17.45 | juice` | oh, right.. |
| 14:17.51 | phyrster_ | as you can see, other users can read it. |
| 14:17.51 | juice` | wols: thank you, sorry, my bad. |
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| 14:18.04 | wols | phyrster_: your ftp server perhaps? |
| 14:18.06 | SPF | I can see a lot of ? |
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| 14:18.11 | juice` | wols: so i guess i don't have to worry about this figure, it is autoconfigured by kernel ? |
| 14:18.11 | phyrster_ | wols: yes |
| 14:18.18 | jlamr | ok, Ill try the 2nd, let you know how it goes |
| 14:18.21 | wols | SPF:try midnight commander |
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| 14:18.25 | wols | juice`: yes |
| 14:18.26 | SPF | k |
| 14:18.27 | Wild-one | hey guys i am ver new to debian how do i fix this error |
| 14:18.30 | Wild-one | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:18.30 | Wild-one | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:18.46 | wols | juice`: you can change it if you must with some /proc settings I think, but usually futile to do so |
| 14:18.48 | phogg | SPF: tried a unicode terminal such as uxterm? |
| 14:18.51 | phyrster_ | the question is: when I use local user to cd into that dir, i.e /home/ftpsite, it can't cd in |
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| 14:19.26 | wols | phyrster_: that's normal, cause you are not the user "virtual", and you don't have "x" permission for that directory |
| 14:19.31 | phyrster_ | but according to the file permission, it should, right? |
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| 14:19.45 | wols | phyrster_: no it should not unless you're the user "virtual" |
| 14:19.56 | juice` | wols: i'm afraid this is nto true, i just compared it to GB of memory in my systems, and if 28k is 28MB then i have 3082368k MB of ram, so like what 3082 GB ? |
| 14:20.16 | wols | juice`: what do you mean? |
| 14:20.17 | jengelh | What's the insserv/chkconfig equivalent on debian? |
| 14:20.26 | SPF | wols: doesnt work phogg: sounds like a good idea, how? |
| 14:20.32 | juice` | wols: when i run top, i see few figures... like this: Mem: 3082368k total, 2996172k used, 86196k free, 28k buffers |
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| 14:21.02 | phyrster_ | wols: then why 'readable' permission for that dir? |
| 14:21.05 | wols | I see: Mem: 256196k total, 250472k used, 5724k free, 16672k buffers |
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| 14:21.28 | wols | so I have ~16MB buffers and you only a few kB apparently |
| 14:21.33 | juice` | wols: your 'buffers' figure is much larger than mine, even tho i have very busy server, isnt that strange? |
| 14:21.46 | jengelh | buffers + cached |
| 14:21.49 | wols | juice`: mine is a NAT router. yours probably not |
| 14:22.00 | Wild-one | hey guys am new to debian how do i get around this error |
| 14:22.01 | Wild-one | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:22.01 | Wild-one | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:22.26 | wols | Wild-one: have you run make menuconfig? |
| 14:22.39 | juice` | wols: but if i ran my box in 'rescue mode' it sudennly had much bigger value. I'm pretty sure i should have 'buffers' larger than 28k |
| 14:22.43 | Wild-one | ah ok thanks |
| 14:22.50 | phyrster_ | for vsftpd, its doc says that the virtual user's dir should only have 700 permission |
| 14:22.53 | wols | juice`: why are you sure? |
| 14:22.53 | juice` | wols: any idea how to invastigate it? |
| 14:23.07 | Wild-one | wols nope |
| 14:23.08 | phyrster_ | but I have to change it to 'other user' readable for it to work |
| 14:23.10 | Wild-one | going to now |
| 14:23.11 | juice` | wols: everybody, including my home linux, have much bigger value for those buffers |
| 14:23.19 | phyrster_ | anyone has this problem? |
| 14:23.26 | wols | juice`: that's no reason, at least not a logical one |
| 14:24.07 | SPF | phogg: how can I create an uxterm? |
| 14:24.35 | juice` | wols: i can't find you hard proof, but if i see at every box that this value is 10 or 100 times larger, and on this box, on which i have performance problems, it is 10 or 100 times smaller, i guess you can suspect something is wrong |
| 14:24.51 | juice` | wols: i just want to be sure, any idea how to make it larger? |
| 14:24.54 | abrotman | !tell DevilChaos about alsa one-liner |
| 14:24.57 | abrotman | !tell DevilChaos about alsa-checklist |
| 14:25.08 | wols | juice`: what kind of performance problems? dropped connections? |
| 14:25.21 | DevilChaos | thank you abrotman |
| 14:25.38 | wols | juice`: it's probably amount of tcp buffers which goes into that value. like ip_conntrack buckets for example |
| 14:25.47 | nvz | Wild-one: stop, repeating, stop pasting! |
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| 14:25.52 | oldman | how does one sort the output of xlsfonts to find the biggest font for something like osd_cat? |
| 14:25.52 | juice` | wols: yes, i have connections problems |
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| 14:26.31 | nvz | Wild-one: that error is useless, and you are not allowed to paste or repeat here. you have to say what is giving you that error message, what version of debian you are running, and what kernel version |
| 14:26.49 | juice` | wols: i just would like to know, why this figure is so small on my busy box. thats all. |
| 14:26.50 | Wild-one | nvz sorry first time here |
| 14:26.53 | jengelh | oldman: use xfontsel |
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| 14:27.10 | nvz | Wild-one: cat /etc/debian_version; uname -r |
| 14:27.13 | wols | juice`: I'd go into a kernel channel then. doubt anyone here knows why unless he's a kernel dev |
| 14:27.33 | wols | #kernel-newbies perhaps |
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| 14:27.53 | oldman | jengelh: thank you, but which of "pxlsz" "ptSz" "avgWdth" amounts to the screen size? |
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| 14:28.11 | jengelh | pixelsize |
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| 14:28.40 | oldman | jengelh: thank you very much! |
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| 14:28.56 | Wild-one | vnz 3.1 and 2.4.27-2-k7 |
| 14:29.08 | Sticklyman | Help: Debain won't find my SATA hard drives....how can install it onto a SATA hard drive please? |
| 14:29.11 | nvz | Wild-one: and what is it you are trying to do? |
| 14:29.19 | Wild-one | just install fuse |
| 14:29.52 | juice` | wols: thanks |
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| 14:30.13 | juice` | wols: by the way, no such channel as kernel-newbies i think |
| 14:30.34 | wols | true. it's a website: http://www.kernelnewbies.org/ |
| 14:30.36 | nvz | Wild-one: from the fuse-source package? |
| 14:30.42 | wols | I assumed they'd have a channel |
| 14:30.42 | asg | wols: ##kernelnewbies |
| 14:30.46 | Wild-one | yes |
| 14:30.56 | Wild-one | nvs sorry yes |
| 14:31.00 | Sticklyman | how do I install debian onto a sata hard drive? |
| 14:31.04 | wols | stupid, stupid, stupid |
| 14:31.15 | abrotman | Sticklyman: with the installer |
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| 14:31.22 | jelly-ho | Wild-one: /usr/share/doc/fuse-source/README.Debian |
| 14:31.28 | wols | Sticklyman: just like on any other harddisk. just make sure the boot kernel has support for your sata controller |
| 14:31.37 | abrotman | Sticklyman: what sata controller do you have? |
| 14:31.39 | Wild-one | jelly thanks |
| 14:31.41 | nvz | Wild-one: did you install all nessicary and recommeded packages like kernel-source or kernel-headers -2.4.27..etc, module-assistant, kernel-package ..etc |
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| 14:31.49 | jelly-ho | Wild-one: ... oh, install the fuse-source package first. |
| 14:31.55 | Wild-one | hehe |
| 14:31.56 | Wild-one | yea |
| 14:32.21 | wols | nvz: userspace filesystem(s) |
| 14:32.28 | nvz | point being? |
| 14:32.36 | nvz | I like my filesystems in kernel space |
| 14:32.42 | jelly-ho | nvz: user-space filesystems. Write and run fs in shell! |
| 14:32.52 | nvz | wtf would I want to do that for? |
| 14:32.54 | wols | think: ssh as a remote filesystem, ftp sites as filesystems, ntfs write support under linux |
| 14:32.56 | pipeline | nvz: The point of user-space filesystems is that you can write quick, dirty hacks. |
| 14:32.57 | wols | etc |
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| 14:33.01 | jelly-ho | nvz: sshfs is nice, for example. |
| 14:33.10 | nvz | hmm |
| 14:33.14 | Wild-one | nvz not modual assistant doing that now |
| 14:33.16 | pipeline | nvz: FUSE is about the fourth attempt at a userspace filesystem library, and it's the first one to work well enough to have any developer momentum. |
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| 14:34.00 | jelly-ho | pipeline: lufs has many fs-es too. But didn't get into mainline kernel. |
| 14:34.08 | Sticklyman | my SATA controler is the one run by the n-force 4 chipset...thats all i know i'm afraid |
| 14:34.09 | nvz | Wild-one: the problem is probably that you have not unpacked the kernel sources or something. |
| 14:34.25 | abrotman | !tell Sticklyman about sarge 2.6.15 |
| 14:34.30 | wols | !sarge 2.6.15 Sticklyman |
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| 14:34.56 | pipeline | jelly-ho: LUFS was broken fifty ways from sunday, and unmaintained, to boot :P |
| 14:35.04 | Nemoder | Does anyone has a script that will delay updatedb if there's X amount of CPU activity? |
| 14:35.06 | Wild-one | nvz sorry i mainly use bsd and with ports it gets everything it needs but i am sure debain is the same once i give it a fair chance |
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| 14:35.33 | fontp | is there a command that will just list all of the physical interfaces on a machine? other than parsing ifconfig ... |
| 14:35.35 | pipeline | Wild-one: Debian. Not debain. |
| 14:35.47 | pipeline | Wild-one: And most source packages do indeed work the way ports does. Kernel sources are an exception. |
| 14:36.10 | nvz | Wild-one: yeah, well it doesnt get recommended or suggested packages unless you tell it.. and kernel-package builds kernel packages, and module-assistant automates module building.. so they would help in building fuse modules.. and kernel-source or headers are required and it doesnt seem to be in the dependencies |
| 14:36.22 | nvz | I cant imagine why.. seems the source is useless without them |
| 14:36.24 | Wild-one | ahhh pipeline so where is a good read me to unpack Kernal source |
| 14:36.37 | Wild-one | or nvz |
| 14:36.55 | wols | nvz: cause the package maintainer has no way of knowing for which kernel you want to build the module(s) |
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| 14:37.00 | nvz | last I knew the kernel-source package just drops a tgz in /usr/src or something |
| 14:37.01 | wols | so they can't include headers |
| 14:37.19 | nvz | wols: this is true... |
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| 14:38.03 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 14:38.04 | dpkg | it has been said that popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 14:38.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: ta , have you built/run it? |
| 14:38.25 | nvz | tarzeau: why do you do that all the time? |
| 14:38.30 | jelly-ho | Wild-one: install kernel-headers-WHATEVER-VERSION package. |
| 14:38.51 | abrotman | tarzeau: i can't figure it out |
| 14:39.16 | wols | Wild-one: if you go the length of doing your own stuff with the kernel, start from a 2.6 one unless there is a good reason no to |
| 14:39.33 | nvz | tarzeau: you've probably called up that popcon factoid like a million times already this year and not once have I seen anyone talking about it. |
| 14:39.42 | Sticklyman | thanks for the help....i think i found the info i wanted - If not i'll be back soon :P |
| 14:40.05 | tarzeau | nvz: they just install it, check the url! |
| 14:40.10 | tarzeau | nvz: it was like 8000 3 monhts ago |
| 14:40.15 | fontp | url no workie |
| 14:40.21 | jelly-ho | Wild-one: another way to get fuse would probably be installing 2.6.15 or newer kernel, it's already in there. |
| 14:40.53 | Wild-one | installing now jelly-ho 31 meg sound right ? |
| 14:40.58 | tarzeau | abrotman: their /topic is good #taspring |
| 14:41.05 | Wild-one | i will probable have to reformat again man i love learning |
| 14:41.09 | wols | Wild-one: not right |
| 14:41.10 | abrotman | tarzeau: ? |
| 14:41.25 | wols | why would you reformat? |
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| 14:41.51 | tarzeau | abrotman: ta spring? the game? |
| 14:42.09 | tarzeau | nvz: so isn't that some progress? |
| 14:42.12 | abrotman | tarzeau: yes |
| 14:42.27 | Wild-one | so its clean ? wols i figure best way to learn get it working then reformat (fresh install and try again) |
| 14:42.35 | Wild-one | took forever to figure out mail |
| 14:42.37 | tarzeau | abrotman: now find me 3 from www.meinbild.ch |
| 14:42.42 | wols | Wild-one: that is windows thinking. don't do that |
| 14:42.50 | abrotman | tarzeau: you didn't package taspring |
| 14:42.59 | jelly-ho | Wild-one: the source archive? about right. you could get the precompiled package though |
| 14:43.01 | tarzeau | abrotman: you didn't apply for DD |
| 14:43.06 | abrotman | fontp: apparently a bunch of debian related services are out |
| 14:43.12 | tarzeau | abrotman: if you sponsor taspring, i'll package it |
| 14:43.21 | abrotman | tarzeau: you'd have to sponsor it |
| 14:43.23 | abrotman | i'm not a DD |
| 14:43.24 | wols | the source apckage is 38MB for latest kernels in tar.bzw format |
| 14:43.30 | tarzeau | abrotman: but i'm not a DD either |
| 14:43.40 | pipeline | tarzeau: The linux version of TA:Spring is terrible. |
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| 14:44.04 | vidjeuh | hi |
| 14:44.12 | SammyTheSnake | hey guys, I'm trying to get my brand spanking new AMD64 system working, but I'm having difficulty getting the soundcard up |
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| 14:44.19 | vidjeuh | on my old pc, it does'nt work to boot from the cd drive :s |
| 14:44.40 | abrotman | pipeline: htf do you make it work? |
| 14:44.43 | pipeline | vidjeuh: Can it boot over ethernet? Floppy? |
| 14:44.51 | SammyTheSnake | I've installed sarge for AMD64 and everything seems kosher until I get an error message on starting KDE saying that the /dev/dsp device can't be opened |
| 14:44.52 | pipeline | abrotman: What, TA Spring? It basically doesn't. |
| 14:44.55 | vidjeuh | floppy i don't know yet |
| 14:44.55 | jelly-ho | why have the kernel binary packages changed name from kernel-image-* to linux-image-*? |
| 14:44.58 | pipeline | abrotman: Use the windows client through WINE. |
| 14:45.02 | vidjeuh | but what do i have to write on floppy? |
| 14:45.02 | abrotman | ew |
| 14:45.19 | pipeline | jelly-ho: Because Debian's main package tree may someday contain kernels other than linux. |
| 14:45.28 | vidjeuh | do i have to write the same from boot cd on a diskette? |
| 14:45.30 | pipeline | vidjeuh: You download the floppy images from the same place you got the CD :P |
| 14:45.39 | vidjeuh | well i can't :s |
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| 14:45.44 | abrotman | SammyTheSnake: that it doesn't exist or you don't have permission? |
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| 14:45.51 | pipeline | vidjeuh: You're on IRC now, clearly you have internet access :P |
| 14:46.02 | SammyTheSnake | it says "cannot be opened" I'll just check to see if it exists |
| 14:46.03 | pipeline | abrotman: You'll say "ew" again when you actually see the game. Terrible, terrible interface :P |
| 14:46.23 | vidjeuh | yes, but with another pc, i want to have linux on my old pc |
| 14:46.27 | SammyTheSnake | abrotman: doesn't exist |
| 14:46.28 | wols | SammyTheSnake: debian.org is currently down :( |
| 14:46.38 | vidjeuh | pipeline: look what it sais http://www.nl.debian.org/distrib/floppyinst.en.html |
| 14:47.05 | pipeline | vidjeuh: I think that's a pretty clear instruction. It refers you to the installation manual, which will tell you where to find the floppy images :P |
| 14:47.13 | SammyTheSnake | wols: I use a local mirror anyway |
| 14:47.27 | abrotman | pipeline: the linux client or the windows client? |
| 14:47.42 | pipeline | abrotman: The linux client doesn't really do anything. The windows client. |
| 14:47.44 | abrotman | SammyTheSnake: you may need the alsa OSS emulation |
| 14:47.48 | abrotman | pipeline: but i love TA! |
| 14:47.53 | pipeline | abrotman: The linux client is basically a port of the game engine and nothing more... |
| 14:47.57 | hefty | is parted broken for ext3? |
| 14:48.02 | SammyTheSnake | abrotman: do I need to install additional packages, or just modprobe the right modules? |
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| 14:48.15 | pipeline | abrotman: Heh, TA proper kinda-sorta works under wine now if you copy a native dplay.dll -- it's just vewy slow |
| 14:48.34 | abrotman | pipeline: i can't get sound to work |
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| 14:48.43 | abrotman | SammyTheSnake: the correct modules |
| 14:49.07 | linan | hello, everyone |
| 14:49.12 | pipeline | abrotman: Hmm, I don't remember whether I got sound to work with TA:Spring because I turned off sound immediately :P |
| 14:49.16 | abrotman | alsa-project.org might have more info |
| 14:49.16 | SammyTheSnake | abrotman: any idea which they would be? :-s |
| 14:49.32 | linan | may i have a question? |
| 14:49.38 | SammyTheSnake | abrotman: thanks for the pointer, I'll go have a look :) |
| 14:49.45 | abrotman | i thnk snd_pcm_oss and snd_mixer_oss |
| 14:49.49 | vidjeuh | pipeline: look what it sais in the manual: |
| 14:49.51 | vidjeuh | In some cases, you'll have to do your first boot from floppy disks. Generally, all you will need is a high-density (1440 kilobytes) 3.5 inch floppy drive. |
| 14:50.02 | pipeline | vidjeuh: Yeah? Do you not have a floppy drive? |
| 14:50.08 | vidjeuh | i have |
| 14:50.15 | wols | !tell linan about ask |
| 14:50.22 | vidjeuh | but what images do i have to write on the diskette |
| 14:50.31 | `mrz | floppy drive.. can I eat it? |
| 14:50.46 | linan | thank u |
| 14:50.50 | abrotman | !u |
| 14:50.50 | pipeline | vidjeuh: For the love of pete. It is, in fact, in the install guide. ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy |
| 14:50.50 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 14:51.16 | linan | i could not use Ctrl+Space to lauch scim |
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| 14:51.39 | `mrz | dpkg, language you fuck |
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| 14:51.56 | linan | in any window |
| 14:52.06 | vidjeuh | pipeline: tx :D |
| 14:52.09 | abrotman | !tell root about root |
| 14:52.16 | abrotman | !tell root_ about root |
| 14:52.28 | stefan__ | Hi, i've just changed to unstable and I'm very satisfied. but the nvidia-diver-installer refuses to build the nvidia module. is it because i changed to xorg? any ideas? |
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| 14:52.51 | DarkWingZE | I am wondering about the gnome-config file |
| 14:52.53 | abrotman | !tell stefan__ about nvidia one-liner |
| 14:52.54 | tarzeau | pipeline: thanks for saving my time |
| 14:52.55 | pipeline | stefan__: Your first error was using the nvidia installer. |
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| 14:53.02 | roccociro_ | #ubuntu-it |
| 14:53.02 | DarkWingZE | I am getting started writing programs for Gnome |
| 14:53.03 | tarzeau | pipeline: so i'll reboot into windows and play there |
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| 14:53.14 | pipeline | tarzeau: Eh? The windows client works perfectly in wine. |
| 14:53.16 | DarkWingZE | But articles refer to gnome-config |
| 14:53.25 | pipeline | tarzeau: Out of the box, no tomfoolery required. |
| 14:53.26 | DarkWingZE | I searched my system I dont have such a file |
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| 14:53.35 | abrotman | !tell DarkWingZE about search |
| 14:53.38 | pipeline | DarkWingZE: Eh, you must be looking at things from Gnome 1.4.x... |
| 14:53.49 | abrotman | pipeline: i have gnome-config on my system |
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| 14:54.19 | pipeline | DarkWingZE: Here's some advice: ignore all the crap you see about gnome programming. GnomeVFS sucks. CORBA is a dead end. Just learn to be comfortable with DBus and GTK/Glade and you'll be fine. Look for Glade tutorials rather than Gnome ones... |
| 14:54.37 | abrotman | !find bin/gnome-config etch |
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| 14:54.53 | pipeline | abrotman: I don't, and I know full well I have a relatively complete gnome dev environment |
| 14:54.53 | DarkWingZE | hmm |
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| 14:54.53 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/gnome-config' (1): (/usr/bin/gnome-config) in libdevel/libgnome-dev. |
| 14:54.53 | abrotman | pipeline: apparently not :) |
| 14:55.09 | pipeline | abrotman: Told you, bullshit Gnome 1.x :P |
| 14:55.18 | abrotman | it's only 1.4.2! |
| 14:55.19 | DarkWingZE | hmm |
| 14:55.23 | abrotman | doesn't mean it's not useful |
| 14:55.43 | pipeline | abrotman: Well, it's unmaintained software that's supported by one vendor on the face of the earth, using a toolkit that is universally abhorred. I would say it's not useful :P |
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| 14:56.00 | pipeline | abrotman: (HP, oddly, still supports and distributes Gnome 1.4...) |
| 14:56.00 | abrotman | pipeline: oddly .. it was installed on this machine which has never seen gnome1.4 |
| 14:56.20 | DarkWingZE | So I should look for GTK programming tutorials? |
| 14:56.22 | abrotman | i must have been compiling some gtk1 app or some such crap |
| 14:56.26 | abrotman | DarkWingZE: gtk.org |
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| 14:56.42 | DarkWingZE | what about mortif? |
| 14:56.46 | abrotman | motif? |
| 14:56.54 | tarzeau | DarkWingZE: what about gnustep? |
| 14:57.00 | DarkWingZE | gnustep? |
| 14:57.01 | abrotman | gnustep is for kids |
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| 14:57.04 | tarzeau | abrotman: i like how he calls it, mortif |
| 14:57.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's also for people who want their software on windows and mac os x |
| 14:57.26 | abrotman | tarzeau: and what is gtk/qt/wx? |
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| 14:57.38 | DarkWingZE | So gtk will cover my needs? |
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| 14:57.52 | tarzeau | gtk is a mess |
| 14:57.52 | abrotman | DarkWingZE: you never stated your needs :) |
| 14:57.52 | DarkWingZE | sorry, rephrase that question |
| 14:57.54 | tarzeau | qt is ugly |
| 14:57.58 | tarzeau | and wx, oh well a pain |
| 14:58.00 | abrotman | gnustep is for tards |
| 14:58.04 | abrotman | see .. noone is happy |
| 14:58.07 | DarkWingZE | is it heavy pain to get into GTK? |
| 14:58.12 | abrotman | not at all |
| 14:58.13 | linan | i could not use Ctrl+Space to lauch scim |
| 14:58.19 | abrotman | DarkWingZE: what languages do you know? |
| 14:58.28 | linan | in any window |
| 14:58.29 | DarkWingZE | I dont want to write million lines of code to just get a window and a menu |
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| 14:58.45 | DarkWingZE | C,C++, ADA, PASCAL |
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| 14:58.49 | tarzeau | DarkWingZE: then you want gnustep |
| 14:58.51 | DarkWingZE | lite bit JAVA |
| 14:58.58 | tarzeau | DarkWingZE: you just design your window and menu, no code at all |
| 14:58.59 | abrotman | DarkWingZE: you can use gtk or gtkmm .. pygtk is pretty easy |
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| 14:59.16 | pipeline | DarkWingZE: http://www.mono-project.com/GtkSharpBeginnersGuide |
| 14:59.18 | JaVaSan | how can i know for what place a link points to ? |
| 14:59.30 | DarkWingZE | thanks:) |
| 14:59.32 | pipeline | DarkWingZE: Glade is a GUI designer. GTK# is about the easiest-to-use GTK binding. |
| 14:59.34 | abrotman | there's a reason noone still uses gnustep |
| 14:59.40 | abrotman | !gazpacho |
| 14:59.40 | dpkg | i guess gazpacho is A fresh new GUI builder for the GTK+ toolkit designed to be ultra easy to use: http://gazpacho.sicem.biz/ or see <glade> |
| 14:59.45 | pipeline | There's a number of reasons no one ever used GNUstep. |
| 14:59.48 | pipeline | Or Lesstif, for that matter. |
| 14:59.48 | DarkWingZE | thanks:=) |
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| 15:00.24 | abrotman | tarzeau: go fix people.d.o and planet.d.o |
| 15:00.32 | abrotman | tarzeau: but you also like to spank your secretary :) |
| 15:00.34 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's an announced downtime |
| 15:00.40 | tarzeau | abrotman: she loves it |
| 15:00.44 | abrotman | tarzeau: ah ok |
| 15:00.45 | DevilChaos | abrotman: im still getting this error msg ALSA...warning: 'alsactl store' failed with error message 'alsactl: get_control:149: Cannot read control info '2,0,0,Front Playback Volume,0': Invalid argument'...amixer: Mixer hw:0 load error: Invalid argument |
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| 15:00.57 | abrotman | DevilChaos: did you run alsaconf ? |
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| 15:01.02 | DevilChaos | yes |
| 15:01.09 | abrotman | pipeline: have you tried gazpacho ? |
| 15:01.17 | abrotman | DevilChaos: i've never ever seen that error |
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| 15:01.40 | abrotman | DevilChaos: try alsaconf and alsamixer .. that's about all iknow about alsa |
| 15:01.40 | jsmidt | I have been reading the New Maintainer's Guide to try to figure out how to package. Is there any other reference you would highly reccomend? |
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| 15:02.02 | tarzeau | jsmidt: www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/debian-packaging/ |
| 15:02.07 | DevilChaos | ok im doing alsa conf again anyway |
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| 15:02.14 | DevilChaos | thanx |
| 15:02.27 | DarkWingZE | is there any package that I can download to get started with the development tools or do I need to download them seperately and compile them? |
| 15:02.28 | abrotman | jsmidt: also you can ask #debian-mentors |
| 15:02.40 | abrotman | DarkWingZE: development tools for what? |
| 15:02.49 | jsmidt | thanks tarzeau and abrotman |
| 15:02.55 | power1 | Hey all, can someone tell me how to install a C compiler on debian 3.1, Can it be done with apt? I need it for vmware? |
| 15:03.03 | valdyn | DarkWingZE: which of the 5000 development tools in debian are you referring to? |
| 15:03.08 | tarzeau | power1: apt-get install tcc |
| 15:03.09 | pipeline | abrotman: I make a policy of not using "applications" written in python when I can avoid it. This is a case in which I can avoid it. |
| 15:03.12 | linan | I have a question about scim, i' m running debian 2.6.15. When I try to use Ctrl+Space to lauch scim, it just do no reactions. |
| 15:03.15 | pipeline | power1: tasksell |
| 15:03.20 | pipeline | power1: err, rather, run tasksel. |
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| 15:03.24 | abrotman | pipeline: hehe |
| 15:03.30 | pipeline | power1: Also, tarzeau's suggestion of tcc was facetious. |
| 15:03.44 | DarkWingZE | GTK |
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| 15:03.51 | power1 | pipeline, sorry I am new to debian...... " tasksel " |
| 15:03.56 | valdyn | !b-e power1 |
| 15:03.56 | dpkg | power1: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
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| 15:04.14 | Nemoder | anyone else having problems connecting to www.debian.org? |
| 15:04.27 | pipeline | DarkWingZE: If you're on etch/sid, you can just isntall build-essential, gnome-dev, and glade. |
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| 15:04.31 | valdyn | !anyone |
| 15:04.31 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 15:04.44 | tarzeau | Nemoder: yes. it was announced |
| 15:04.51 | pipeline | DarkWingZE: I would also recommend installing mono + monodevelop + nant, as GTK# is rather nice to use :) |
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| 15:04.58 | abrotman | DarkWingZE: do you need an IDE/editor of any special type? |
| 15:05.05 | Nemoder | ok thanks |
| 15:05.11 | abrotman | pipeline: anjuta! |
| 15:05.12 | power1 | dpkg, thanks what does build-essential do? |
| 15:05.13 | dpkg | power1: bitte |
| 15:05.26 | valdyn | power1: apt-cache show <packagename> |
| 15:05.32 | abrotman | power1: it's a metapackage |
| 15:05.47 | JasonF | is people.debian.org down for anyone else? |
| 15:05.51 | DarkWingZE | hmmm |
| 15:06.01 | DarkWingZE | I guess that would be good |
| 15:06.16 | DarkWingZE | any one you recomend? |
| 15:06.32 | valdyn | DarkWingZE: vim |
| 15:06.35 | DarkWingZE | is there a standard package for debian including these development tools? |
| 15:06.38 | DarkWingZE | vim |
| 15:06.39 | JasonF | --- people.debian.org ping statistics --- |
| 15:06.39 | JasonF | 13 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss |
| 15:06.43 | DarkWingZE | hmm |
| 15:06.44 | power1 | valdyn, dpkg abrotman thanks |
| 15:06.45 | linan | I use "scim -d" to load it to systray, but i could not use Ctrl+Space to lauch it to input Chinese |
| 15:06.52 | tarzeau | JasonF: yes it was announced |
| 15:06.57 | JasonF | tarzeau: where? |
| 15:07.01 | tarzeau | JasonF: mailinglists |
| 15:07.07 | pipeline | abrotman: You must be kidding :P |
| 15:07.09 | JasonF | ooh. ETA for return? |
| 15:07.12 | tarzeau | Subject: Downtime for some debian.org machines (people, db, buildd, etc.) |
| 15:07.18 | tarzeau | This Saturday (2006-03-25) between 13:00 - 21:00 UTC, the debian.org |
| 15:07.22 | pipeline | DarkWingZE: Monodevelop is about as easy as it gets :P |
| 15:07.23 | abrotman | pipeline: i like anjuta .. but i do use vi .. |
| 15:07.32 | JasonF | tarzeau: thanks, I'm not on the lists |
| 15:07.34 | DarkWingZE | is that the package name? |
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| 15:07.42 | abrotman | DarkWingZE: for what? |
| 15:07.46 | valdyn | pipeline: when its not just broken ( in debian ) ; |
| 15:07.47 | phyrster_ | if a dir has r permission for other users, why other users can't cd into it? |
| 15:07.48 | abrotman | oh .. nm |
| 15:07.54 | DarkWingZE | I want to download the development tools |
| 15:07.54 | abrotman | DarkWingZE: apt-cache search monodevelop |
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| 15:07.59 | tarzeau | phyrster_: you need an x too |
| 15:08.04 | phyrster_ | why it got to have a x permission ? |
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| 15:08.16 | DarkWingZE | I got nada doing that |
| 15:08.17 | abrotman | pipeline: remember .... if he's on sarge ... no mono or monodevelop |
| 15:08.20 | valdyn | phyrster_: because that is how it is ) |
| 15:08.22 | phyrster_ | tarzeau: I assume r means readable literally |
| 15:08.23 | tarzeau | because the user wants to cd into it |
| 15:08.25 | Fluten | how can i dd a partially damaged disk to an image without dd quitting before finished? |
| 15:08.27 | pipeline | abrotman: Oh, christ, I didn't realize he was on sarge :P |
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| 15:08.30 | tarzeau | phyrster_: exactly |
| 15:08.32 | DarkWingZE | I dont have it |
| 15:08.33 | abrotman | pipeline: i'm not sure he is |
| 15:08.33 | pipeline | DarkWingZE: Are you on sarge? |
| 15:08.38 | DarkWingZE | yes |
| 15:08.43 | phyrster_ | valdyn: then why we have readable permission? |
| 15:08.44 | DarkWingZE | I am on sarge |
| 15:08.44 | abrotman | pipeline: i get a cookie! |
| 15:08.51 | pipeline | DarkWingZE: Doh. Then most of the packages I listed don't exist. |
| 15:08.58 | BadMan | !cookie abrotman |
| 15:09.01 | abrotman | maybe gtk is a good choice :) |
| 15:09.03 | BadMan | dang |
| 15:09.03 | dpkg | Hey badman, qotd53 is i'm stoned, but the segfaults are real abrotman |
| 15:09.07 | valdyn | !wikifaq phyrster_ Permissions |
| 15:09.07 | dpkg | phyrster_: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 15:09.27 | DarkWingZE | so give me a package name |
| 15:09.29 | DarkWingZE | :) |
| 15:09.33 | tarzeau | maybe gtk is not a good choice |
| 15:09.33 | stoned | ? |
| 15:09.37 | valdyn | phyrster_: or try 'cat /file/in/dirwithout/x |
| 15:09.41 | tarzeau | DarkWingZE: gnustep-devel |
| 15:09.49 | abrotman | tarzeau: knock it off |
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| 15:10.18 | BadMan | well instead of using people.debian.org I jsut added backports to my apt blocked the reg debian apt sources and updated will go back in and block backports and grab sarge back normal stable sources after its done |
| 15:10.28 | abrotman | DarkWingZE: get glade .. that is a GUI designer .. using vim/nvi should be good enough to edit the code .. use gtk.org for tutorials |
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| 15:10.45 | phyrster_ | valdyn: so r to a dir means I can 'ls' that dir, but nothing else. right? |
| 15:10.46 | linan | another question is: when i run "aumix", it just output " error opening mixer" |
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| 15:11.04 | linan | what's the problem? |
| 15:11.05 | vidjeuh | @ LOL ! i don't find a diskette :s |
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| 15:11.19 | tarzeau | !LOL |
| 15:11.19 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 15:11.28 | tarzeau | linan: no driver loaded |
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| 15:11.51 | phyrster_ | valdyn: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ doesn't work |
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| 15:12.16 | valdyn | phyrster_: works for me, you intarweb is broken |
| 15:12.17 | pipeline | DarkWingZE: You want "build-essential" and "glade2", I think. |
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| 15:12.27 | pabs3 | anyone else have issues with sid galeon/epiphany not remembering wiki.debian.org passwords? |
| 15:12.32 | DarkWingZE | hmmm |
| 15:12.33 | pipeline | DarkWingZE: I don't have a sarge system in front of me, and p.d.o is down, so I can't be much more helpful... |
| 15:12.41 | pipeline | pabs3: Heh, galeon is broken as shit in sid. :\ |
| 15:12.42 | linan | what should i do to load a driver, like alsa? |
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| 15:12.48 | jsmidt | Will etch be LSB certified? |
| 15:12.50 | valdyn | !alsa one-liner |
| 15:12.51 | dpkg | from memory, alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf, or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels |
| 15:12.56 | phyrster_ | valdyn: I can use google, but not that site |
| 15:13.01 | valdyn | jsmidt: certified by who? |
| 15:13.04 | pipeline | DarkWingZE: If you still want to try monodevelop/GTK#, you'll need the mono installer, from here ftp://www.go-mono.com/archive/1.1.13.4/linux-installer/1/mono-1.1.13.4_1-installer.bin |
| 15:13.08 | abrotman | jsmidt: not likely that any debian release will *ever* be LSB certified |
| 15:13.16 | jsmidt | Who ever certifies such things. |
| 15:13.20 | pipeline | jsmidt: Debian is, for what it's worth, pretty much LSB-compliant. |
| 15:13.23 | DarkWingZE | hmmm |
| 15:13.24 | valdyn | jsmidt: maybe if you pay for it ) |
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| 15:13.43 | DarkWingZE | thanks |
| 15:13.47 | abrotman | !lsb |
| 15:13.47 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, lsb is The Linux Standard Base, a set of guidelines which all linux distributions should follow to ensure compatability between them. More information can be found at http://www.linuxbase.org/, or very incomplete |
| 15:13.51 | abrotman | bah |
| 15:13.56 | vidjeuh | !lol |
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| 15:13.56 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
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| 15:13.59 | tarzeau | linux is not everything |
| 15:14.12 | abrotman | IIRC .. debian uses different locations for many files .. LSB doesn't allow that |
| 15:14.29 | valdyn | tarzeau: tried the OS made at the UNI dresden? |
| 15:14.35 | vidjeuh | aol? |
| 15:14.40 | valdyn | tarzeau: kernel rather |
| 15:14.44 | tarzeau | valdyn: nope |
| 15:14.48 | tarzeau | valdyn: but several other things |
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| 15:15.21 | russian | Hi, everybody |
| 15:15.26 | DarkWingZE | btw: shame that macromedia wont release their 8.0 version of flashplayer |
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| 15:15.51 | linan | i find a sentence"Saved AlSA mixer setting detected; aumix will not touch mixer." what does it mean? |
| 15:15.52 | abrotman | DarkWingZE: it's been discussed .. instead of rushing/half-assing 8.0 .. they're going to make a good release of thier next version |
| 15:15.58 | BadMan | if I have kdm and kde instaleld and workign with xfree86 and I switch to xorg, is there something I need to tell xorg so that it launches kdm for gui login? |
| 15:16.05 | DarkWingZE | for linux? |
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| 15:16.08 | abrotman | BadMan: should just work |
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| 15:16.11 | abrotman | DarkWingZE: yes |
| 15:16.14 | BadMan | abrotman: ok thx |
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| 15:16.29 | DarkWingZE | I thought it was a dead end |
| 15:16.39 | pipeline | BadMan: You may need to restart kdm -- /etc/init.d/kdm restart |
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| 15:16.53 | abrotman | DarkWingZE: if you google .. i think there was an interview with one of the guys from macromedia . if you really want me to . i can look |
| 15:17.05 | BadMan | abrotman: 1 other thing is the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg correct now ? |
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| 15:17.13 | power1 | can some1 help me with this....vmware needs to compile a module and its asking for this that does not exist " looking for C header files that match my kernel in /usr/src/linux/include |
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| 15:17.28 | abrotman | DarkWingZE: first hit on google .. http://weblogs.macromedia.com/emmy/archives/2005/12/why_isnt_there.cfm |
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| 15:17.41 | valdyn | power1: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 15:17.59 | DarkWingZE | I read somwhere else that it was a dead end |
| 15:17.59 | power1 | valdyn, thanks...... |
| 15:18.01 | valdyn | power1: then create the appropriate link if vmware doesnt find the headers still |
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| 15:18.08 | DarkWingZE | but wat do we know mixed message:P |
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| 15:19.01 | zOap | is there a network traffic tool somewhere? I'm suspectingmy neighour which I share adsl with eating the line up |
| 15:19.11 | asg | zOap: ntop |
| 15:19.16 | zOap | asg, thanks |
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| 15:19.29 | Monsieur_ | abrotman, nique ta vieille mère fils de pute |
| 15:19.33 | Monsieur_ | nique ta vieille mère fils de pute |
| 15:19.43 | g0vner | is there an equivalent file for rc.sysinit in debian ? |
| 15:19.51 | pipeline | g0vner: No. |
| 15:19.54 | Monsieur_ | g0vner, nique ta vieille mère fils de pute |
| 15:19.54 | JaVaSan | my sound does not work... so i try alsaconf and everythings all right.. but after i reboot my pc... everything is wrong again and i need to use alsaconf again to make it correct.... how can i do it just once and everything goes right even i reboot my OS ? |
| 15:19.56 | gary | Is there a way to execute a specific command when X is started? |
| 15:20.03 | gary | isn't it ./xinitrc ? |
| 15:20.05 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 15:20.09 | asg | Monsieur_: who owns you? |
| 15:20.10 | Monsieur_ | pipeline, nique ta vieille mère fils de pute |
| 15:20.11 | pipeline | g0vner: Debian uses System V-style init, not rc stuff. |
| 15:20.17 | pipeline | Monsieur_: #debian-fr |
| 15:20.23 | linan | i find a sentence"Saved AlSA mixer setting detected; aumix will not touch mixer." when i start linux, what does it mean? |
| 15:20.30 | valdyn | JaVaSan: install discover |
| 15:20.34 | pipeline | linan: It means what it says. Don't worry about it :P |
| 15:20.50 | Monsieur_ | gateway fuck you shit |
| 15:20.52 | Monsieur_ | gateway fuck you shit |
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| 15:20.53 | Monsieur_ | gateway fuck you shit |
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| 15:20.54 | g0vner | pipeline : can you elborate on the subject or provide a link that explains it in a simple manner? |
| 15:20.56 | linan | thank you |
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| 15:21.24 | power1 | valdyn, it tells me that it has unmet dependencies and cant install |
| 15:21.26 | JaVaSan | valdyn, "install discover" ??? what do you meant ? |
| 15:21.36 | linan | i thought it is the reason why i could not use aumix to adjust volume |
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| 15:21.47 | FlopsyPete | I installed a tool that helps me find the cursor on the screen when I press Ctrl. I want to remove it but don't know what its called any more. I cant find it using ps or apt-cache search. does anyone know what it might be called? |
| 15:21.48 | valdyn | JaVaSan: that you should 'apt-get install discover' or an equivalent package |
| 15:22.19 | g0vner | lol 777 |
| 15:22.21 | pipeline | g0vner: Err. "rc" systems vary widely. They're all rather loosely based on various bullshit systems used in the 80s on proprietary UNIX. |
| 15:22.39 | g0vner | ;) |
| 15:22.45 | pipeline | g0vner: System V init systems are all pretty much the same -- you have a directory, usually /etc/init.d, that contains all of the startup/shutdown scripts |
| 15:22.52 | JaVaSan | valdyn, after i install discover... what should i do? |
| 15:23.02 | pipeline | g0vner: then, you have "runlevel" directories, rcX.d, where X is a number or "S". |
| 15:23.08 | valdyn | JaVaSan: reboot and see if sound works without running alsaconf |
| 15:23.37 | power1 | valdyn, apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) gives me an error saying it has unmet dependencies and can not install |
| 15:23.38 | pipeline | g0vner: These runlevel directories have symlinks to the scripts in init.d, with a letter and a number. e.g. S00foo starts "foo" before anything else in the runlevel. "K99foo" kills foo after everything else in the runlevel is started/killed. |
| 15:23.42 | JaVaSan | valdyn, discover is installed.... |
| 15:23.46 | power1 | valdyn, any ideas...please??? |
| 15:23.49 | valdyn | power1: which error |
| 15:23.49 | pipeline | g0vner: Virtually all modern UNIX systems use SysV init. |
| 15:23.57 | JaVaSan | valdyn, i see right now |
| 15:23.59 | pipeline | g0vner: Debian, by default, makes runlevels two, three, and four exactly the same. |
| 15:24.01 | valdyn | JaVaSan: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
| 15:24.14 | pipeline | g0vner: So basically the runlevels that matter are one (single user) and two (multi-user) |
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| 15:24.25 | pipeline | g0vner: But SysV init is the prevailing standard, so Debian uses it :P |
| 15:24.32 | zippy | hi.. i got problems when i compile apps... locale: Cannote set LC_CTYPE/LC_MESSAGES/LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory.. can any1 help me to solve this? |
| 15:24.47 | JaVaSan | valdyn, alsa-base alsaconf and alsa-utils are installed on my pc.... |
| 15:24.58 | valdyn | !alsa one-liner |
| 15:24.58 | dpkg | it has been said that alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf, or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels |
| 15:25.03 | g0vner | pipeline : Heh . so it's preety similar to RH but what about the file rc.sysinit :p |
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| 15:25.26 | lunoa | i have this 56k usb modem which i can get to work with a Smartlink driver in kernel-2.6.8 but not kernel-2.6.15. any suggestion? |
| 15:25.29 | valdyn | JaVaSan: if that doesnt help add the hardware driver to /etc/modules |
| 15:25.30 | abrotman | does he mean sysctl.conf ? |
| 15:25.43 | pipeline | g0vner: The redhat rc.sysinit is a holdover from their disgusting 80s-style init system :P |
| 15:25.45 | abrotman | i'm not sure what he's trying to put in this file |
| 15:25.53 | valdyn | abrotman: dont think so |
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| 15:26.00 | pipeline | g0vner: You didn't specify what disgusting rc system you were coming from, though. |
| 15:26.05 | abrotman | SCO! |
| 15:26.09 | roccociro_ | #debian-it |
| 15:26.10 | pipeline | g0vner: And the answer "no" more or less answered you, didn't it? :P |
| 15:26.12 | pipeline | abrotman: ;_; |
| 15:26.17 | pipeline | abrotman: Have you ever /tried/ SCO UNIX ? |
| 15:26.27 | power1 | valdyn, it says kernel-headers-2.6.8-2: depends kernel-kbuild-2.6-3 but is not installable :broken packages |
| 15:26.31 | BadMan | crap! no matter which xserver I select I cannot get a full screen 800x600, only a 640x480 with approx 1" black square aroudn the entire screen! |
| 15:26.34 | JaVaSan | valdyn, but i config using alsaconf... how can i know what modules it used ? |
| 15:26.36 | abrotman | pipeline: i admined it for a bit |
| 15:26.41 | abrotman | pipeline: a very short bit |
| 15:26.46 | pipeline | abrotman: THEN YOU KNOW. You're marked for life. |
| 15:27.09 | pipeline | BadMan: Have you tried a lower bit depth? (e.g. eight-bit color) |
| 15:27.16 | g0vner | pipeline : i'm noovice as ou might have noticed |
| 15:27.26 | abrotman | pipeline: they had set it up poorly(or the standard install sucks) .. wtf puts $HOME in /usr/u/<user>/ |
| 15:27.32 | valdyn | JaVaSan: 'lsmod | grep snd', paste the output somewhere ( not here ) |
| 15:27.39 | abrotman | BadMan: whatk ind of vid card? |
| 15:27.45 | g0vner | pipeline : atm using a RH guide and it's preety similar to my deb box , but can't find the rc.sysinit file |
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| 15:28.06 | valdyn | g0vner: WHAT is supposed to be in that file? |
| 15:28.10 | JaVaSan | valdyn, ok... just a minute... |
| 15:28.11 | lunoa | 56k usb modem. anyone got it working with kernel-2.6.15? |
| 15:28.37 | BadMan | pipe yea |
| 15:28.38 | pipeline | g0vner: That's because there won't be one. Just add your own script to /etc/init.d, and add appropriate symlinks in the runlevels you want it to start in, perhaps? |
| 15:28.43 | Andale | hello at everyone. I have a problem with my soundcard |
| 15:28.49 | pipeline | abrotman: No, that's actually standard. |
| 15:28.51 | BadMan | abrotman: trident 9660 |
| 15:28.51 | roccociro_ | #hackers |
| 15:29.05 | pipeline | abrotman: The SCO UNIX filesystem is actually a gigantic set of recursive soft and hardlinks to retain compatibility with System III 8088 apps :P |
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| 15:29.15 | valdyn | power1: are you on debian / sarge ? did you put testing/etch/unstable/sid stuff in your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 15:29.32 | pipeline | abrotman: The /real/ filesystem, behind the scenes, so to speak, looks like /foo/squawk/arbitrary-letters/zero/$ms0/bin |
| 15:29.33 | Andale | Everytime I restart my pc, I must execute alsaconf. Why? |
| 15:29.35 | g0vner | pipeline : so what you're suggesting is that there's no need in that file :p |
| 15:29.36 | BadMan | pipeline: yes I have tried lower bpp on both xorg and xfree86 I have also tried vesa vga etc.. jsut about every combination you can think of |
| 15:29.43 | JaVaSan | valdyn, here are: http://pastebin.com/621679 |
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| 15:29.54 | power1 | valdyn, no standard sarge install only thing i changed was on install at prompt i typed " bf26" |
| 15:29.56 | cts | Good day, I am using postfix+mysql. I added one alias (all@domain.tdl) when sends for this email all the users in my net receive the email. He would like that this you only unite functions yourself in my local net. He has as to make this type of limitation with postfix? |
| 15:29.58 | pipeline | BadMan: You must just have too little video RAM. And, sadly, I don't think trident chipsets support mono modes. :\ |
| 15:30.01 | roccociro_ | #hackernet |
| 15:30.02 | abrotman | BadMan: try vesa |
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| 15:30.18 | JaVaSan | valdyn, just a minute... i'll be back asap |
| 15:30.19 | valdyn | power1: add snd-intel8x0 to /etc/modules. If you require the OSS emulation layer add snd-pcm-oss and snd-mixer-oss too |
| 15:30.31 | valdyn | power1: ops |
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| 15:30.43 | poser | where are mysql databases stored? |
| 15:30.48 | valdyn | JaVaSan: add snd-intel8x0 to /etc/modules. If you require the OSS emulation layer add snd-pcm-oss and snd-mixer-oss too |
| 15:30.56 | XTF | Hi. I've got an Apache process (probably running a PHP script) that's using 100% CPU, but strace shows now lines. How can I find out what it's doing? |
| 15:31.05 | lunoa | no one here uses a 56k usb modem? |
| 15:31.25 | pipeline | lunoa: My guess would be "no". That's a pretty uncommon thing :P |
| 15:31.26 | asg | XTF: you probably need to get strace to follow children and forks also. The manpage has the options. |
| 15:31.37 | g0vner | valdyn : that file is supposed to be located in /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit and it runs all the procces in the backround such as filesystems and other importent stuff |
| 15:31.42 | valdyn | power1: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. Tell what this would do before you type Y for apt-get to proceed |
| 15:31.51 | XTF | asg: I strace the process that's using 100% CPU. Isn't that enough? |
| 15:32.06 | linan | thank you all for helping me |
| 15:32.14 | linan | bye-bye |
| 15:32.15 | lunoa | pipeline: uncommon to linux, but very common in Windows. |
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| 15:33.33 | lunoa | pipeline: i got it working in kernel-2.6.8 quite easily but not kernel-2.6.15. that is what gets me now. |
| 15:33.33 | g0vner | valdyn : furthermore , it's not supposed to be edited by hand , there's addiotional file named rc.local same location and if you wanna add stuff that's where you place'em |
| 15:33.51 | BadMan | abrotman: black screen after startx with a bunch or randomly placed dark blue cursor boxes and cursor lines |
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| 15:34.04 | abrotman | BadMan: did you try vesa? |
| 15:34.10 | BadMan | going to dpkg rewconf it and lower to 8 this time |
| 15:34.20 | BadMan | abrotman: yes on vesa currently |
| 15:34.23 | abrotman | BadMan: how much ram is on your video card? |
| 15:34.28 | g0vner | valdyn , pipeline : any comment ? |
| 15:34.40 | BadMan | abrotman: 1024 8( |
| 15:34.44 | abrotman | really? |
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| 15:34.54 | abrotman | BadMan: try 800x600 @ 8bit |
| 15:34.58 | BadMan | abrotman: yeah its an old laptop... |
| 15:35.01 | power1 | valdyn, I get this " 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. " |
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| 15:36.16 | power1 | valdyn, it basically says there is nothing to do as system is up to date.. |
| 15:36.25 | wizzomafizzo | How can I fix my fonts? In fluxbox (and only in that it seems, but not any apps) the fonts look really ugly like they've been resized or something. No matter what I comment out I can't change them. |
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| 15:36.41 | BadMan | here goes 8bpp test |
| 15:36.45 | asg | wizzomafizzo: what debian version are you using? |
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| 15:36.55 | wizzomafizzo | asg: Sarge |
| 15:37.12 | asg | wizzomafizzo: oh, okay. Nevermind then. |
| 15:37.22 | pipeline | wolaoye: I think your best bet is to downgrade to 2.6.8 |
| 15:37.24 | al | !nick |
| 15:37.53 | BadMan | abrotman: this time more color in garble with vesa @ 800x600 8bpp green strips vertically with black stripes separating them with randomly placed red and aqua colored cursor blocls |
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| 15:37.59 | peppo | is the BS down? |
| 15:38.08 | abrotman | BadMan: lspci | grep -i vga |
| 15:38.12 | pipeline | BadMan: ewwwwwww |
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| 15:38.16 | azeem | peppo: what is the BS? |
| 15:38.16 | peppo | heh, the BTS. |
| 15:38.19 | abrotman | peppo: yes |
| 15:38.26 | peppo | okidoki |
| 15:38.26 | al | Help. I'm logged in here twice (al, zebalin4) somehow. How do I get one of my nicks logged out? |
| 15:38.42 | abrotman | al: /msg nickserv help |
| 15:38.55 | BadMan | abrotman: 0000:00:03.0 VGA compatible controller: Trident Microsystems TGUI 9660/938x/968x (rev d3) |
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| 15:39.06 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 15:39.06 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org , and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 15:39.28 | timo | querybts seems to work fine |
| 15:39.33 | BadMan | yeah been all over all 3 of thsoe sites, everything refers to pretty much xfree86 3.3.6 |
| 15:39.42 | timo | guess it's just the web interface |
| 15:39.42 | abrotman | BadMan: http://ftp.x.org/pub/X11R7.0/doc/html/trident.4.html |
| 15:40.03 | power1 | valdyn, is this something complicated i am trying to do..surely lots of people are running 2.6 kernels and should be able to get the kernel headers via apt...? |
| 15:40.11 | peppo | timo, can one check bugs here on IRC? |
| 15:40.46 | abrotman | timo: depends .. what do you want to check ? |
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| 15:40.51 | al | abrotman: which one do I use? release? drop? or unlink? |
| 15:40.58 | timo | peppo, I don't know. I use querybts, which is a command line utility |
| 15:40.59 | abrotman | release iirc |
| 15:41.12 | BadMan | abrotman: if I select trident I get a viewable(no garbage) screen in 640x480 centered in the 800x600 with 1" thick black square aroudn monitor... |
| 15:41.23 | peppo | TimeRider, thanks |
| 15:41.30 | abrotman | BadMan: is that card even capable of 800x600 ? |
| 15:41.32 | BadMan | abrotman: the only mode I select is 800x600 |
| 15:41.34 | BadMan | yes |
| 15:41.34 | pipeline | BadMan: Is it an LCD ? |
| 15:41.49 | BadMan | abrotman: yes @ 16bpp as well and yes LCD |
| 15:42.03 | pipeline | BadMan: Well, that's why there's the border. |
| 15:42.18 | abrotman | BadMan: i actually pointed you to the page because some of those driver options might be important |
| 15:42.28 | BadMan | ok bbiaf |
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| 15:44.15 | abrotman | zebalin4: happy now ? |
| 15:44.29 | zebalin4 | abrotman: you da man! |
| 15:44.30 | abrotman | zebalin4: it would have been recover .. sorry |
| 15:45.07 | zebalin4 | abrotman: I just did /msg nickserv release zeb... and it worked fine. I'm back to being me. |
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| 15:45.21 | abrotman | zebalin4: ah ok .. good |
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| 15:46.42 | power1 | would kernel headers for 2.6 kernels be in the apt unstable repository? |
| 15:47.23 | thingfish | power1: look for linux-headers-* |
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| 15:50.59 | BadMan | abrotman: could this be somethign to do with hsync and vsync rates that arent right for the LCD ? |
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| 15:51.44 | abrotman | BadMan: not likely |
| 15:51.52 | abrotman | BadMan: did you try 15bit? |
| 15:52.05 | BadMan | abrot not this round yet |
| 15:52.25 | BadMan | arg I need a new keyboard my tab key is dying hehe |
| 15:53.05 | gary | If you put your computer into run level 6, how do you change it after rebooting? |
| 15:53.07 | sussudio | in soviet russia, tab key kills you |
| 15:53.10 | BadMan | what is option DPMS in monitor section, since xorg doesn't ask if it's and LCD as does xfree86? |
| 15:53.14 | gary | rescue disk? |
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| 15:54.06 | raf256` | where can I find the summary of security fixes? |
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| 15:54.36 | Toastie_ | How do I make Debian prefer a certain font over the other font "Sans-Serif"? |
| 15:55.07 | BadMan | I see and Option "Display" "string" (replace strign with LCD but know idea wher eit would go in xorg.conf |
| 15:56.48 | abrotman | BadMan: you might even get ideas in #xorg .. if they're awake |
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| 15:57.07 | abrotman | raf256`: for sarge? |
| 15:57.12 | BadMan | abrotman: true went to xfree86 earlier and its dead 8( |
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| 15:57.18 | abrotman | BadMan: it would be :) |
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| 15:58.18 | power1 | please can some1 help me with installing kernel-headers...it just wont work..ive tried installing a new kernel and trying to get the kernel headers for that as well..but also does not work. |
| 15:59.14 | abrotman | power1: using apt-get ? |
| 15:59.27 | asg | power1: install module-assistant if you don't have it already, type 'm-a prepare' (that will download the relevant headers for your running kernel) |
| 15:59.42 | BadMan | abrotman: xorg still in hybernation hehe |
| 15:59.50 | abrotman | BadMan: just wait a bit .. they may answer you |
| 15:59.55 | BadMan | yeah |
| 15:59.58 | power1 | abrotman, yes im running " apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) " |
| 16:00.07 | abrotman | power1: uname -a .. please |
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| 16:00.38 | power1 | abrotman, Linux debian31R1 2.6.8-2-386 #1 Tue Aug 16 12:46:35 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 16:01.47 | power1 | asg, m-a prepare gives the same error " The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 16:01.47 | power1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:01.47 | power1 | E: Broken packages" |
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| 16:02.19 | asg | power1: is this on sarge? |
| 16:02.35 | abrotman | -2 is insecure :) |
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| 16:02.55 | asg | power1: first, do 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' ; then try it again |
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| 16:03.10 | FinnTux | whats wrong with www.debian.org? |
| 16:03.11 | _gass_ | hello there |
| 16:03.16 | FinnTux | or is it just me |
| 16:03.18 | abrotman | FinnTux: napping |
| 16:03.24 | FinnTux | rgr |
| 16:03.25 | JaVaSan | i configure my sound with alsaconf but every i reboot i need to config again.... i dont want to configure all time =/ how can i fix it ? |
| 16:03.29 | abrotman | that really was a lot of vulns fixed |
| 16:03.31 | power1 | asg, debian-31r1-i386-binary-1.iso |
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| 16:03.40 | _gass_ | is there a reason for mozilla-browser being installed when applications need only the engine? |
| 16:03.45 | abrotman | power1: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 16:03.54 | _gass_ | like epiphany, devhelp, monodoc, monodevelop |
| 16:03.55 | abrotman | _gass_: there is no engine library .. sadly |
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| 16:04.16 | _gass_ | abrotman: what do you think of submiting a wishlist report to it? |
| 16:04.26 | power1 | abrotman, asg ive done that allready last output is "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded." |
| 16:04.29 | _gass_ | abrotman: or is it impossible to hav? |
| 16:04.31 | abrotman | _gass_: you mean to make a libgecko ? |
| 16:04.36 | abrotman | power1: paste your sources in #flood |
| 16:04.38 | _gass_ | abrotman: yes |
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| 16:04.46 | dav | W: GPG error: http://http.us.debian.org unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the |
| 16:04.51 | abrotman | _gass_: best of luck .. i'd love to see it |
| 16:04.52 | asg | dav: /topic |
| 16:04.54 | abrotman | dav: /topic |
| 16:04.56 | power1 | abrotman, whats my sources? |
| 16:05.02 | abrotman | power1: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:05.03 | asg | power1: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:05.04 | dav | asg / abrotman: ah sorry :-) |
| 16:05.05 | _gass_ | abrotman: i use firefo, but have to have always mozilla-browser also ... what the hell is the meaning of it? |
| 16:05.09 | power1 | abrotman, ok |
| 16:05.37 | abrotman | _gass_: not a clue .. i don't understand either |
| 16:05.50 | asg | abrotman: btw, what channel is license to kill on |
| 16:06.02 | abrotman | asg: AMC |
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| 16:06.06 | power1 | abrotman, asg ok done... |
| 16:06.14 | abrotman | asg: hasn't started yet |
| 16:06.17 | abrotman | asg: still on view to a kill |
| 16:06.26 | asg | abrotman: ah, okay. I was watching view. |
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| 16:06.55 | _gass_ | abrotman: how can i make a cross package bugreport? |
| 16:07.00 | CoolCubix | can someone tell me if there is a way to slideshow the gnome wallpaper ? as in KDE ? |
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| 16:07.26 | abrotman | _gass_: i'm not sure you can .. but i would file against mozilla-browser |
| 16:07.49 | _gass_ | true |
| 16:07.59 | zleap | hello |
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| 16:08.03 | asg | CoolCubix: if not, something like 'for i in $(ls -1 /path/to/images) ; do xsetroot $i ; sleep 3600 ; done' might work |
| 16:08.04 | _gass_ | but to start the flame, should need other people :P |
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| 16:08.53 | CoolCubix | asg : ok, i'm gonna try this, thanks :) |
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| 16:09.12 | EasterSunshine | when i am in single-user mode, what command should i issue to smitch to multiuser mode? |
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| 16:09.21 | asg | EasterSunshine: exit the shell |
| 16:09.26 | asg | EasterSunshine: or init 2 |
| 16:09.50 | abrotman | asg: i'm not convinced that fall would kill him |
| 16:10.03 | asg | abrotman: at that height, it's like hitting concrete |
| 16:10.18 | abrotman | asg: it's only what .. 500 feet? |
| 16:10.24 | CoolCubix | asg, i've juste tried xsetroot without arguments, and now i get an ugly X instead of my normal pointer :S |
| 16:10.25 | asg | abrotman: I still dig the fact that the blond is on 'That 70s show' |
| 16:10.35 | abrotman | asg: she is? .. the girl's mom ? |
| 16:10.40 | asg | abrotman: yes |
| 16:10.46 | abrotman | asg: nice |
| 16:10.50 | EasterSunshine | asg thx |
| 16:11.12 | asg | CoolCubix: read the manpage for options, etc. |
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| 16:11.26 | CoolCubix | okay |
| 16:11.36 | asg | abrotman: she was also in 'Beastmaster' with Marc Singer ;) |
| 16:11.56 | abrotman | i'm sorry you know that |
| 16:11.59 | lord_rob | hi ! are there prebuilt debian kernels for intel centrino based laptops ? |
| 16:12.15 | pipeline | lord_rob: Of course... |
| 16:12.16 | asg | abrotman: I know many things |
| 16:12.17 | unknown_ | hi, i want to compile some stuff with gcc, but "-ld" is missing, is there any packeg or something I have to install ? |
| 16:12.24 | asg | unknown_: install build-essential |
| 16:12.27 | abrotman | lord_rob: you mean .. other than the normal ones ? |
| 16:12.46 | unknown_ | thx asg |
| 16:12.53 | asg | unknown_: you're welcome |
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| 16:13.09 | abrotman | asg: where's lana wood?! |
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| 16:13.23 | unknown_ | asg : "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -ld" ... seems like it's still missing |
| 16:13.31 | asg | abrotman: gah, another bond marathon. I think bond has replaced the Caine/Hackman theory from PCU |
| 16:13.39 | lord_rob | abrotman: I mean, when I build my own kernel, I specifiaclly select centrino in procesor type. I can't find a centrino kernel when doing "apt-cache search linux 2.6.15" |
| 16:14.10 | abrotman | asg: they should show one bond film a day .. |
| 16:14.15 | asg | unknown_: then perhaps the Makefile for what you are compiling is broken |
| 16:14.37 | abrotman | lord_rob: you could use -686 |
| 16:14.38 | asg | abrotman: should? they already do (or at least one is on some channel.) |
| 16:14.47 | lord_rob | abrotman: s/2.6.15/2.6.16 |
| 16:14.48 | abrotman | lord_rob: and you do NOT pick centrino for a CPU type |
| 16:14.56 | abrotman | centrino is NOT a cpu |
| 16:15.01 | asg | abrotman: well, time to prep for lunch. Later |
| 16:15.02 | abrotman | asg: they usually do a bunch a day |
| 16:15.03 | unknown_ | asg : I get the same error, if i type in my shell "/usr/bin/ld -ld" |
| 16:15.05 | abrotman | asg: bastard! |
| 16:15.08 | lord_rob | pentium M abrotman |
| 16:15.14 | lord_rob | sorry |
| 16:15.17 | abrotman | lord_rob: that's different than choosing centrino |
| 16:15.28 | lord_rob | yes indeed |
| 16:15.31 | abrotman | lord_rob: technically a -686 should work |
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| 16:15.41 | asg | unknown_: well, find out what provides the 'd' library and make sure you have the attendant -dev package. |
| 16:15.54 | unknown_ | asg : hmm.. thx ill try |
| 16:16.40 | Coder`TuX | hi, i need some help to configure swat on a headless station... |
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| 16:17.47 | DarkWingZE | Is there an easy way to list the packages installed? |
| 16:17.52 | abrotman | dpkg -l |
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| 16:18.01 | abrotman | !refcard |
| 16:18.01 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, refcard is A short reference of Debian commands can be found at http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian. |
| 16:18.04 | DarkWingZE | but that doesnt give me everything |
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| 16:18.18 | Zweideutig | Why can't I boot Debian install on my old G3 Powerbook? |
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| 16:18.20 | abrotman | DarkWingZE: that will show you all packages installed |
| 16:18.21 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 16:18.22 | dpkg | methinks ppc is is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc and/or #debian-ppc |
| 16:18.28 | DarkWingZE | okay |
| 16:18.49 | roxy_ | DarkWingZE: dpkg -l <-- this l as in lmnop and not 1 as in one |
| 16:19.03 | DarkWingZE | :P |
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| 16:19.51 | yggdrasil | pipeline are yu here? |
| 16:19.51 | abrotman | nvz: you're broken! |
| 16:21.09 | sussudio | !fix nvz |
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| 16:21.37 | sussudio | Piggy: http://byandlarge.net/scuttlebutt/images/pigs-balls.jpg |
| 16:21.47 | Piggy | O_O |
| 16:22.06 | abrotman | Piggy: SQUEAL! |
| 16:22.12 | DarkWingZE | if I do dpkg -l gnome |
| 16:22.15 | Piggy | :-| |
| 16:22.18 | DarkWingZE | I get a wierd response |
| 16:22.23 | abrotman | such as ? |
| 16:22.25 | pipeline | yggdrasil: on and off |
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| 16:22.35 | DarkWingZE | pn gnome <none> description missing |
| 16:22.39 | DarkWingZE | wat is that? |
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| 16:23.03 | DarkWingZE | what does that mean? |
| 16:23.26 | yggdrasil | pipeline i did what i said i was gonna do and everthing works. |
| 16:23.27 | abrotman | it means it's not installed |
| 16:23.32 | yggdrasil | 100 |
| 16:23.33 | DarkWingZE | huh |
| 16:23.37 | yggdrasil | percent |
| 16:23.37 | DarkWingZE | but I am running gnome |
| 16:23.39 | abrotman | DarkWingZE: dpkg -l | egrep "^ii" |
| 16:23.44 | DarkWingZE | how cant it not be installed |
| 16:23.49 | abrotman | DarkWingZE: it's a metapackcage |
| 16:23.50 | pipeline | yggdrasil: I have no idea what that might have been. |
| 16:23.51 | abrotman | apt-get install gnome |
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| 16:24.03 | DarkWingZE | but it is installed I am running it as we speak |
| 16:24.07 | abrotman | i know |
| 16:24.10 | yggdrasil | it was the cowards way out of it. for the latitude c400 |
| 16:24.12 | abrotman | you don't need that metapackage installed |
| 16:24.17 | abrotman | power1: did you get it figured out ? |
| 16:24.20 | DarkWingZE | which means? |
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| 16:24.59 | ick | What drivers do I need to get a HP PSC1410 scanner working? |
| 16:25.17 | _gass_ | ick: hplip hpijs |
| 16:25.50 | _gass_ | ick: apt-get install hplip hpijs |
| 16:25.50 | DarkWingZE | So it means I am not running gnome? |
| 16:25.55 | abrotman | DarkWingZE: it's a metapackage |
| 16:25.59 | abrotman | !metapackage |
| 16:25.59 | dpkg | from memory, metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get command line. |
| 16:26.04 | abrotman | DarkWingZE: apt-get install gnome |
| 16:26.05 | Sebischn | hi! I need to compile some stuff with the "-ld" flag, but "/usr/bin/ld -ld" returns : "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -ld". Is there any package I need to install or something to enable "-ld" ? |
| 16:26.07 | DarkWingZE | if I do apt-get install gnome I get 136 MB that it wants to install |
| 16:26.16 | abrotman | DarkWingZE: right .. because it's a metapackage |
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| 16:27.00 | DarkWingZE | I am sorry abrotman, I am not familiar with that term |
| 16:27.12 | DarkWingZE | would you care to explain |
| 16:27.14 | DarkWingZE | :) |
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| 16:27.25 | Led_Zeppelin | hey, is debian.org down? |
| 16:27.34 | _gass_ | Led_Zeppelin: i think so |
| 16:27.41 | wols | it's a packaga with nothing inside. only reason for existance to have lots of other packages (which in this case make up gnome= as dependency |
| 16:27.43 | Led_Zeppelin | _gass_: aa okay. |
| 16:27.54 | Led_Zeppelin | so, what is the latest stable version now? :-) |
| 16:27.55 | chealer9 | Led_Zeppelin: parts of it |
| 16:27.56 | wols | so you can install "gnome" and get evreything instead of having to install each little package manualle |
| 16:27.59 | wols | manually |
| 16:28.03 | _gass_ | Led_Zeppelin: sarge |
| 16:28.29 | _gass_ | Led_Zeppelin: 3.1 |
| 16:28.30 | wols | Led_Zeppelin: 3.1 |
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| 16:28.30 | DarkWingZE | so I will get double copy of everything |
| 16:28.30 | Wild-one | grrrr hey jelly-ho you still around |
| 16:28.30 | wols | no |
| 16:28.32 | wols | apt won't ever install a package twice |
| 16:28.36 | Led_Zeppelin | ok, let me get the download the cd |
| 16:28.43 | DarkWingZE | wat about if one used aptitude before |
| 16:28.49 | _gass_ | Led_Zeppelin: download the 110 mb one |
| 16:28.50 | DarkWingZE | or deselect? |
| 16:28.51 | wols | doesn't matter: same debs |
| 16:28.57 | wols | aptitude is only a apt frontend |
| 16:29.02 | wols | or dpkg one, whatever |
| 16:29.07 | DarkWingZE | okay |
| 16:29.14 | DarkWingZE | so wat is gnome-office? |
| 16:29.15 | Led_Zeppelin | _gass_: good idea. |
| 16:29.18 | Wild-one | wols i am such a newbie i cant rebuild kernal to get fuse to install |
| 16:29.20 | DarkWingZE | will it replace any of my other files? |
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| 16:29.27 | DarkWingZE | my settings etc? |
| 16:30.02 | Led_Zeppelin | _gass_: where do you get that? |
| 16:30.06 | Led_Zeppelin | http://carroll.aset.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/jigdo-cd/ |
| 16:30.12 | Led_Zeppelin | i only see a 335MB CD |
| 16:30.21 | Led_Zeppelin | err, I mean 650MB |
| 16:30.21 | kronoz | Wild-one: http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_kernel2.6_compile/ |
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| 16:30.33 | kronoz | Wild-one: fairly easy to make a deb of a kernel |
| 16:30.41 | wols | Wild-one: have you ever made a kernel apart from a debian one? |
| 16:30.45 | DarkWingZE | If I do a dpkg my kernel doesnt show up |
| 16:30.46 | _gass_ | Led_Zeppelin: there are iso's missing there |
| 16:30.48 | DarkWingZE | shouldnt it? |
| 16:30.57 | wols | all that's different with deb ian is make-kpkg to compile it instead of normal make |
| 16:31.13 | wols | DarkWingZE: dpkg -l |grep kernel-image |
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| 16:31.18 | _gass_ | Led_Zeppelin: the 110 mb have a minimumm system and downloads stff after the install ... |
| 16:31.22 | wols | or linux-image if sid |
| 16:31.25 | _gass_ | which means a more eficient download |
| 16:31.46 | _gass_ | Led_Zeppelin: find another mirror with businesscard |
| 16:31.48 | Led_Zeppelin | _gass_: yep :-). I remember now, its called netinstall, right? |
| 16:31.59 | kronoz | getting the first weekly build cd seems better than net install to me imo |
| 16:32.10 | _gass_ | Led_Zeppelin: right |
| 16:32.22 | Wild-one | wols nope never had to |
| 16:32.27 | Wild-one | other than build world |
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| 16:33.01 | Led_Zeppelin | hmm, is it possible to do a pxe install for debian? |
| 16:33.08 | _gass_ | Led_Zeppelin: yes |
| 16:33.14 | lakcaj | wow - http://www.ebaumsworld.com/videos/hissyfit.html |
| 16:33.21 | _gass_ | Led_Zeppelin: see fam package |
| 16:33.27 | lakcaj | somebody takes his video game a little too seriously |
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| 16:33.39 | Led_Zeppelin | i want to avoid buring a CD. |
| 16:34.20 | Led_Zeppelin | actually, its a good idea to have a CD for resuce too |
| 16:34.29 | Unity | where can i get a torrent of the latest debian iso (1 cd only!)? debian.org seems to be down for me |
| 16:34.31 | Led_Zeppelin | nevermind, I will just get the CD. The full disk1. Its no biggie |
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| 16:34.50 | Led_Zeppelin | Unity: http://debian.ethz.ch/debian-cd/3.1_r1/i386/bt-cd/debian-31r1-i386-binary-1.iso.torrent |
| 16:34.58 | Unity | Led_Zeppelin: thx |
| 16:35.02 | Led_Zeppelin | Unity: np |
| 16:35.32 | DarkWingZE | is there a good ide for debian? |
| 16:35.33 | juke | Is this Konversation good irc program or is it there better ones?? |
| 16:35.44 | _gass_ | DarkWingZE: monodevelop |
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| 16:36.00 | tarzeau | Led_Zeppelin: hehe but you're not in .ch? |
| 16:36.10 | tarzeau | DarkWingZE: Gorm/ProjectManager/ProjectCenter |
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| 16:36.13 | DarkWingZE | does one get a color on commands and sentences |
| 16:36.25 | Led_Zeppelin | tarzeau: lol, I know. Was just on that side. I think I spoke to you a while ago (like 3 years ago on this channel) |
| 16:36.31 | Led_Zeppelin | tarzeau: getting back into Debian |
| 16:36.33 | _gass_ | DarkWingZE: ofcource |
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| 16:36.49 | eyeris | I'm trying to compile KDE from SVN on Debian/unstable using autoconf 2.59. autoconf complains: http://rafb.net/paste/results/a2GpTK54.html What do these messages mean? If I run "aclocal", then try again, a configure script is generated. I can run it, but when I run "make", automake is run and it drives my load over 8.00. |
| 16:37.17 | power1 | abrotman, yes, that was the problem...can u believe it...thanks a million! |
| 16:37.37 | Juul | how does one get the ip address of an interface for us in a bash script? i mean i could use ifconfig and a regex, but there has to be a better way |
| 16:37.45 | Juul | s/us/use/ |
| 16:38.01 | Led_Zeppelin | Jubal: ifconfig -a | grep inet | awk {'print $1' |
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| 16:38.15 | Juul | hehe |
| 16:38.27 | Led_Zeppelin | Juul: ifconfig -a | grep inet | awk {'print $2'} (something like that |
| 16:38.34 | Led_Zeppelin | on a win box now |
| 16:38.34 | Fluten | what is a good app to capture video from a bt848 device on linux? |
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| 16:39.30 | Juul | Led_Zeppelin: thanks |
| 16:39.32 | Led_Zeppelin | so, I have to ask. How well do rpms work in debian? |
| 16:39.42 | Led_Zeppelin | Juul: np, did it work? |
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| 16:40.00 | tarzeau | Led_Zeppelin: nice |
| 16:40.16 | Led_Zeppelin | tarzeau: well, I have rpms from IBM, you think they will work well on Debian? |
| 16:40.24 | Juul | ifconfig -a | grep 'inet addr' | awk {'print $2'} |
| 16:40.30 | Led_Zeppelin | Db2 and TSM to be specific |
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| 16:40.37 | Juul | that does away with the ipv6 addys |
| 16:40.44 | Aghaster | what is the name of the kernel source package in debian repositories? |
| 16:40.50 | Aghaster | i cant find one that matches my current kernel |
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| 16:41.09 | eyeris | Is bugs.debuan.org down? |
| 16:41.27 | vin` | donjuan? |
| 16:41.39 | darkraven | hy there, how do i create with make-kpkg linux image >+ headers<? |
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| 16:42.10 | vin` | darkraven: man make-kpkg has it all. |
| 16:42.13 | unknown_ | !bootlog |
| 16:42.14 | dpkg | /etc/default/bootlogd now defaults to "no". Edit that to get your /var/log/boot file back. For more info, see bugs.debian.org/213028, or not a command (opposed to dmesg) |
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| 16:43.37 | darkraven | vin, is there a search function? |
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| 16:43.53 | signature16 | where is the xwindows configuration file located at? |
| 16:43.57 | vin` | darkraven: where? in the man page? |
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| 16:44.04 | darkraven | vin, yep |
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| 16:44.12 | vin` | darkraven: /foo |
| 16:44.25 | darkraven | vin, perfect thx |
| 16:44.34 | tarzeau | Led_Zeppelin: oh well. no |
| 16:44.38 | chealer9 | !xwindows |
| 16:44.38 | dpkg | well, xwindows is NOT the name of it. It's simply called X, X11, The X Window System, X11R6, etc. Do a "man X" for more. < Zxcvb> X + KDE/Gnome + Codeweavers Wine == X-windows, or ask me about x windows trap |
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| 16:45.18 | Led_Zeppelin | tarzeau: never hurts to try...i got nothing to lose, other than time |
| 16:45.22 | power1 | abrotman, how do I tell the version available of a certain package on the apt repository? |
| 16:45.31 | power1 | how do I tell the version available of a certain package on the apt repository? |
| 16:45.39 | vin` | apt-cache policy |
| 16:45.42 | Aghaster | hey i only can find kernel headers in the repositories, can i get the debian kernel sources too from it? |
| 16:45.46 | Led_Zeppelin | apt-cache search <<pacakage name>> ?? |
| 16:46.10 | chealer9 | Aghaster: yes |
| 16:46.23 | Aghaster | chealer9: whats the name of the package then? |
| 16:46.25 | Aghaster | i cant find it |
| 16:46.30 | power1 | Led_Zeppelin, that only tells u package name and not the version. |
| 16:46.34 | chealer9 | Aghaster: for which kernel? |
| 16:46.43 | Aghaster | 2.6.15-486 |
| 16:46.59 | chealer9 | Aghaster: linux-source-2.6.15 |
| 16:46.59 | tarzeau | Led_Zeppelin: true |
| 16:47.07 | tarzeau | Led_Zeppelin: i'd at least alien -d the.rpm |
| 16:47.17 | abrotman | power1: apt-cache show <dpkg> |
| 16:47.18 | abrotman | bah |
| 16:47.19 | Aghaster | uh, thanks. that was kinda obvious |
| 16:47.20 | abrotman | power1: apt-cache show <pkg> |
| 16:47.25 | abrotman | !tell power1 about refcard |
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| 16:47.33 | Aghaster | i was searching packages with kernel in the name |
| 16:47.33 | power1 | abrotman, thanks |
| 16:47.46 | abrotman | DarkWingZE: did someone explain the metapckages? |
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| 16:48.29 | signature16 | how do i change my resolution through terminal and not through gnome? |
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| 16:49.28 | Led_Zeppelin | tarzeau: yah, let me first download the cd, and install it. gonna run 3.1 |
| 16:49.30 | power1 | abrotman, thanks.....It looks like I am well on my way to becoming a debian convertee...... |
| 16:49.33 | Led_Zeppelin | i was just fed up with opensuse! |
| 16:49.46 | abrotman | power1: hopefully :) |
| 16:49.53 | ick | _gass_: Ok, I will try that. |
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| 16:50.17 | power1 | abrotman, is it safe to say that if apps are designed to work with ubuntu there is a good chance they run on debian stable.... |
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| 16:50.30 | power1 | abrotman, for eg: vmware server ? |
| 16:50.32 | abrotman | power1: not at all likely |
| 16:51.03 | wols | !tell signature16 about drxx |
| 16:51.29 | abrotman | power1: mixing distributions is a good way to get a box that doesn't work |
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| 16:52.30 | power1 | abrotman, <grin> yeah I know..but what happens if I have a need to run vmware workstation or server.....are there debian builds available.... precompiled that work? |
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| 16:52.41 | abrotman | power1: get the debian package |
| 16:52.48 | abrotman | power1: i don't use vmware .. i can't really comment on it |
| 16:52.52 | protoloco | I have a ftp server, but i want to upload all the files not in /home/USER ,, i want to upload the files in /var/www/html/ BUT i cant.. i think is about permissions or group ownership.. what can i do ? or where do i tell to vsftpd.conf to log in, in the /var/www/html/ directory... |
| 16:54.39 | power1 | Just some positive feedback. I have been using Gentoo for a long time and have just recently started using Debian. I can tell you that the support and general attitude in this channel is fantastic and I am pleasantly suprised to find such helpful people who dont mind giving back! |
| 16:54.40 | zleap | how do I just update openoffice.org |
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| 16:54.50 | darkraven | vin`, maybe do you also know how to activate 4.1 on alsa for bmp?, only 2 boxes work :/ |
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| 16:54.59 | zleap | do i have to type apt-get install openoffice.org |
| 16:55.03 | signature16 | how can i find out the "bus identifier" for my graphics card? |
| 16:55.20 | zleap | or should I remove it first then download a new version? |
| 16:55.24 | power1 | signature16, try " lspci " |
| 16:55.56 | chealer9 | zleap: no, you just try apt-get install openoffice.org |
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| 16:56.13 | zleap | ok |
| 16:56.15 | zleap | thanks |
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| 16:56.44 | zleap | all I am doing is updating the pacakge |
| 16:56.50 | signature16 | power1: is it the numbers like 0000:01:00.0 ? |
| 16:56.55 | ma3x | wtf is wrong with the debian site? |
| 16:56.57 | wols | signature16: you won't need the ID |
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| 16:57.08 | abrotman | power1: you should tell the people that think we're rude |
| 16:57.08 | wols | ma3x: scheduled downtime |
| 16:57.17 | signature16 | wols: which part is the id? |
| 16:57.19 | wols | signature16: so just ignore that and leave it blank |
| 16:57.22 | ma3x | scheduled bullshit |
| 16:57.26 | ma3x | wols, u on sid? |
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| 16:57.36 | power1 | abrotman, tell them to hang out in #gentoo for awhile....and that will change their mind! |
| 16:57.40 | wols | I think so, why? |
| 16:57.59 | ma3x | im having problem with linux-image-2.6.16-1-686 |
| 16:58.02 | ma3x | i cant boot |
| 16:58.12 | wols | power1: we have a reputation of elitist bastards to keep up. so please take your praise elsewhere |
| 16:58.14 | abrotman | power1: some of them do :) |
| 16:58.35 | zleap | lol 0011 1100 0101 1010 |
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| 16:58.53 | wols | ma3x: that's a VERY helpful error description... |
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| 16:58.58 | Shadowcat | !tell ma3x about specific |
| 16:59.00 | ma3x | wols, how the fuck could I see it? it doesn't even log it |
| 16:59.08 | ma3x | it says something about /dev/sys/block |
| 16:59.15 | zleap | 3, 15, 5, 10 |
| 16:59.24 | Shadowcat | ma3x: the old fashioned way, by looking on the screen |
| 16:59.30 | Shadowcat | if a kernel panics it spits out a stack trace |
| 16:59.34 | ma3x | it changes too fast |
| 16:59.36 | ma3x | I can't track it |
| 16:59.45 | power1 | abrotman, what the hell does this mean " lg-issue86 - issue 86 of the Linux Gazette." got just that line when i typed "apt-cache search vmware" |
| 17:00.04 | abrotman | power1: linux gazette .. they probably had an article about it |
| 17:00.18 | wols | ma3x: if you run sid, you're supposed to fix those problems on your own. usually involving a bootable CD or floppy |
| 17:00.41 | power1 | abrotman, so whats adverts for linux gazette doing popping up in the apt repository? |
| 17:00.44 | ma3x | i can solve them |
| 17:00.46 | ma3x | after 3 hours |
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| 17:00.53 | Shadowcat | ma3x: then get to work |
| 17:00.56 | ma3x | every time i should search |
| 17:00.59 | ma3x | then get to work? |
| 17:01.07 | ma3x | why those fsckers dont just fix the things |
| 17:01.11 | ma3x | so that i dont bother with this crap now |
| 17:01.12 | abrotman | power1: they're packaged .. for reference |
| 17:01.15 | Shadowcat | !unstable |
| 17:01.15 | dpkg | i heard unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use unstable, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid. see sid faq. |
| 17:01.21 | Shadowcat | !break |
| 17:01.22 | dpkg | "This release is currently considered ``unstable''. That means that things *will* break if you run it." (quote from old page http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/), or see ben break, or http://bugs.debian.org/155873 |
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| 17:01.33 | Shadowcat | ma3x: anything else? |
| 17:01.36 | ma3x | yeah yeah |
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| 17:02.18 | ma3x | hey |
| 17:02.29 | ma3x | how do I search in kwrite/kate for a line with two words |
| 17:02.34 | ma3x | for eg. yaird + ma3x |
| 17:02.42 | Shadowcat | you gotta be kidding me |
| 17:02.43 | zOap | If I install a package, and it doesn't use the package name as application start hook. how can I tell what command to type to lanch the app? is there an apt install log or something? |
| 17:03.01 | Shadowcat | ma3x: it's common knowledge that debian unstable kernels suck anyway |
| 17:03.19 | zleap | i am using sid, not really had a problem with things |
| 17:03.22 | ma3x | i dont care if they suck |
| 17:03.28 | Shadowcat | zOap: start by reading /usr/share/doc/<package-name> |
| 17:03.28 | wols | zOap: dpkg -L <pakcagename> |grep bin |
| 17:03.30 | ma3x | how do i search in kate for what ive asked |
| 17:03.45 | Shadowcat | it should tell you what to do |
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| 17:04.37 | _gass_ | abrotman: #358971 |
| 17:04.47 | power1 | whats the command to see a list of running daemons..and in what runlevel they are running? |
| 17:05.28 | Shadowcat | I doubt you can get runlevels |
| 17:05.40 | abrotman | _gass_: ?\ |
| 17:05.45 | ireverentreveren | how do i find the bus identifier of my video card? |
| 17:05.50 | _gass_ | abrotman: bug for mozilla-browser |
| 17:05.57 | Shadowcat | ireverentreveren: lspci |
| 17:05.59 | abrotman | !dbugs 358971 |
| 17:06.02 | dpkg | #358971:W[mozilla-browser] mozilla-browser: Mozilla-browser should not be installed when only gecko is needed; Sat, 25 Mar 2006 16:18:10 UTC |
| 17:06.15 | sepski | Ireul, if it's for the x config you can leave it blank if you have only 1 screen |
| 17:06.28 | sepski | ireverentreveren, i ment |
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| 17:07.00 | ma3x | now listen this! |
| 17:07.08 | ireverentreveren | Shad0wcat the bus identifier given through lspci does not appear to work.. I entered it into my xconfig and it complained about invalid format.... |
| 17:07.10 | ma3x | I have my boot disk as /dev/hda3 (hd0,2) |
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| 17:07.25 | ireverentreveren | sepski PowerPC requires that it bne entered, though |
| 17:07.30 | ma3x | now whhy the fuck when I do update-grub, it updates the menu.lst with hd0,2 with /dev/hda2? |
| 17:07.30 | zleap | infobash gives info on videocards |
| 17:07.36 | ma3x | it's supposed to detect /dev/hda3 |
| 17:07.41 | ma3x | why does it detect hda2??? |
| 17:08.01 | Shadowcat | heh update-grub |
| 17:08.09 | Shadowcat | I always tell grub where to install itself |
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| 17:08.20 | Shadowcat | the install-grub and update-grub scripts never get it right |
| 17:08.48 | ma3x | when you install linux-image, it updates itself! |
| 17:08.50 | ma3x | you can't just stop it |
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| 17:09.17 | Shadowcat | actually you can |
| 17:09.21 | polopolo | Hello all |
| 17:09.29 | Shadowcat | .... or you could go in and correct it afterwards |
| 17:09.35 | ireverentreveren | any other ways to get the bus identifiers? |
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| 17:09.47 | coywolf | what's TrueLifeTM? |
| 17:09.55 | polopolo | Should I install the 2.4 version or the 2.6 version of linux? |
| 17:09.58 | sepski | ireverentreveren, lspci -X |
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| 17:10.13 | polopolo | I'm using the sarge version |
| 17:10.13 | sepski | polopolo, depends onj your needs. i'd try 2.6 first |
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| 17:10.21 | ma3x | I forgot that option with yaird |
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| 17:10.26 | ma3x | how do you specify the root in yaird? |
| 17:10.59 | ireverentreveren | sepski thank you |
| 17:11.02 | power1 | abrotman, can u get to " http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ " debian.org seems to be down for me.. |
| 17:11.27 | polopolo | Ok |
| 17:11.34 | polopolo | Thank you sepski |
| 17:12.31 | polopolo | WHy is debian.org down? |
| 17:12.49 | abrotman | power1: oh .. it is .. bbiab .. planned outage |
| 17:12.53 | abrotman | polopolo: same for you |
| 17:13.13 | polopolo | Ok |
| 17:13.14 | sepski | ma3x, can't you just spcify the groot device in meny.lst ? |
| 17:13.17 | polopolo | Bye all |
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| 17:13.33 | power1 | abrotman, u dont have refcard.pdf available locally , or have a mirror for it? |
| 17:13.34 | ma3x | sepski, NO, I need to specify on the yaird command line |
| 17:14.00 | abrotman | power1: nah ... |
| 17:14.04 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 17:14.04 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "docs", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 17:14.16 | abrotman | power1: there's some other stuff there .. the refcard is good for a quick references |
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| 17:14.42 | angelote | hola a todos |
| 17:14.55 | power1 | abrotman, whatever u got.... |
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| 17:15.29 | kronoz | is debian.org not working for anynody else? |
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| 17:15.51 | wols | ma3x: why do you need an initrd? |
| 17:16.04 | chealer9 | kronoz: yes |
| 17:16.09 | power1 | abrotman, can u reccomend any piece of software for storing notes on..like an jouranl to write down debian notes of stuff i learn etc...? |
| 17:16.10 | wols | 18:12 < abrotman> power1: oh .. it is .. bbiab .. planned outage |
| 17:16.18 | ma3x | wols, beacuse I'm unable to boot with this one! debian messes up my /dev/hda3 with /dev/hda2 |
| 17:16.24 | ma3x | wols, the image is wrongly created |
| 17:16.27 | ma3x | yaird SUCKS! |
| 17:16.28 | kronoz | ah ok |
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| 17:16.34 | abrotman | power1: uhm .. none i can think of |
| 17:16.41 | Shadowcat | ma3x: get over it |
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| 17:16.44 | Shadowcat | I compile my own kernels |
| 17:16.46 | wols | ma3x: then edit your menu.kst and be done with it |
| 17:16.51 | Shadowcat | that's how I know my system will always boot |
| 17:17.21 | wols | Shadowcat: tro be fair, the updating of menu.lst doesn't always work.... it just does not work properly |
| 17:17.35 | Shadowcat | wols: he's using a stock debian kernel from UNSTABLE |
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| 17:17.40 | Shadowcat | he deserves what he gets |
| 17:17.53 | ma3x | wols, you can't just edit menu.lst! the image itself contains also dev info |
| 17:17.54 | Shadowcat | those kernels screw up 3-4 times out of 10 |
| 17:18.14 | Shadowcat | 2.6.14 screwed up, first few versions of 2.6.15 wouldn't even boot |
| 17:18.16 | wols | ma3x: bullshit |
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| 17:18.40 | ma3x | wols listen to me! I'm telling ya! |
| 17:18.41 | wols | if you edit menu.lst and give a kernel parameter root= ,then this will be the root partitiona nd nothing else |
| 17:18.47 | lord_rob | hi ! is there a difference between "ati" driver and "radeon" driver you can select in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ? I cannot select radeon in dpkg-reconfigure, only ati. |
| 17:18.47 | phogg | power1: aptitude install thoughttracker |
| 17:18.55 | ma3x | that's not true, the image itself contains /dev/hda info! |
| 17:19.08 | Shadowcat | lord_rob: radeon is ati's proprietary driver, and umm they both suck |
| 17:19.20 | Shadowcat | ma3x: just compile your own kernel and get it over with |
| 17:19.22 | lord_rob | Shadowcat: it's fglrx |
| 17:19.28 | chealer9 | lord_rob: it's normal. ati will select the real driver your system needs |
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| 17:19.46 | wols | ma3x: rdev is obsolete. and is always superseded by kernel boot params |
| 17:20.13 | Shadowcat | wols: I find it comical that we're still arguing about this |
| 17:20.19 | Shadowcat | ma3x came in here 30 min ago |
| 17:20.31 | power1 | phogg, thanks |
| 17:20.31 | Shadowcat | in that time he could have already compiled his own custom kernel, installed it |
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| 17:20.35 | Shadowcat | and been on his merry way |
| 17:20.37 | Shadowcat | instead he argues |
| 17:20.41 | wols | Shadowcat: is it sunday somewhere on this old ball of mud? |
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| 17:21.14 | Shadowcat | in Australia |
| 17:21.20 | ansong | has anyone had trouble with dpkg configuring drupal? i've got two (sarge) systems, one with a working drupal install, the other won't connect to the database. if i look in /etc/drupal/conf.php on the working system, it lists $db_url = "mysql://drupaluser:<hashed psw>@localhost/drupal_db"; on the system that doesn't work, the line is the same only the psw is in plaintext |
| 17:21.23 | Shadowcat | midnight there already |
| 17:21.55 | MegaHambone | hey guys and girls, i'm thinking of setting up a blog on my debian server, and I see there's quite a few, could someone suggest one to me that's easy to customize and not too difficult to set up? |
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| 17:21.58 | protoloco | HEy i cant see any directory in my pages of /var/www/html where there is my root apache directory, i can just see the index.html, but the directories in there.. NO,, why ? that in the BROWSER.. |
| 17:22.41 | ma3x | wols, i ain't ozzy |
| 17:22.43 | protoloco | drwxrwxr-- 4 root ftpusers 12K mar 15 04:56 cobranza my directory |
| 17:22.43 | phogg | sometimes I wish people would make sense |
| 17:22.44 | wols | protoloco: permissions. must be world executable |
| 17:22.52 | ma3x | i'm telling you yaird sucks |
| 17:22.56 | ma3x | it ruins image |
| 17:23.11 | ma3x | now i just wait my copy to finish and im gonna prove you |
| 17:23.12 | Shadowcat | ma3x: we already know that, now the question is, WHAT are you gonna do about it? |
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| 17:23.27 | wols | initrd itself sucks. it's just a necessary evil when making or using distro kernels |
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| 17:23.28 | ma3x | i just told u, waiting for my copy |
| 17:23.43 | wols | tho, why you need yaird when kernel-package does all the work for you is a mystery to me |
| 17:23.48 | ma3x | wols, so what do you got other than initrd? |
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| 17:23.50 | Chameleon22 | howdy all |
| 17:24.08 | Shadowcat | I haven't used an initrd since... wait, I've NEVER used one |
| 17:24.12 | wols | ma3x: no initrd. the only reason to use a debian official kernel is to install the system |
| 17:24.18 | wols | after that it's useless, just like initrd |
| 17:24.18 | Chameleon22 | is it me, or can someone confirm that debian.org is not resolving? |
| 17:24.29 | Led_Zeppelin | k |
| 17:24.40 | Hessophanes | Chameleon: resolving fine here. |
| 17:24.52 | Led_Zeppelin | I just got a fresh install of debian, did a apt-get distupgrade. It updated my kernel |
| 17:24.59 | Led_Zeppelin | now the system won't even boot up |
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| 17:25.08 | lord_rob | hi again |
| 17:25.10 | Chameleon22 | Hessophanes, thanks, where you from (country) |
| 17:25.12 | Led_Zeppelin | Grub Loading...PLeaSE WAIT. Error 24 |
| 17:25.17 | Shadowcat | Led_Zeppelin: no, sarge doesn't have a kernel upgrade in it |
| 17:25.19 | phogg | Hmm... I can resolve debian.org but not ping it |
| 17:25.20 | abrotman | Chameleon22: it resolves .. planned outage |
| 17:25.20 | Shadowcat | you're running testing |
| 17:25.22 | Hessophanes | At least if you mean DNS with "resolving"... |
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| 17:25.38 | Led_Zeppelin | Shad0wcat: umm it did for me. |
| 17:25.40 | wols | Led_Zeppelin: I've never ever seen a dist-upgrade upgrading kernels. never |
| 17:25.42 | Led_Zeppelin | apt-get -u distupgrade |
| 17:25.43 | protoloco | wols drwxrwxr-x 4 root ftpusers 12K mar 15 04:56 cobranza <-- i tried to see it in my browsers, and says PErmission DENIED... why ? |
| 17:25.46 | wols | at least not automatically |
| 17:25.50 | Chameleon22 | abrotman, uhhh ok, is there an ETA on when its going to be back up? |
| 17:25.50 | Shadowcat | Led_Zeppelin: no |
| 17:25.52 | lord_rob | Why can't I select fglrx driver in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ? |
| 17:26.01 | abrotman | Chameleon22: when it comes back? |
| 17:26.06 | Led_Zeppelin | regardless, how do I get my systtem back up? |
| 17:26.06 | Chameleon22 | abrotman, yep |
| 17:26.14 | wols | lord_rob: cause debian doesn't ship with it. it's PROPRIETARY. not Free software |
| 17:26.19 | abrotman | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/03/msg00021.html |
| 17:26.24 | abrotman | Chameleon22: ^^ |
| 17:26.27 | Chameleon22 | Hessophanes, i phrased it wrong, didn't mean DNS, just if the site was acessable or not... my misstake |
| 17:26.32 | Shadowcat | Led_Zeppelin: fix grub |
| 17:26.41 | Led_Zeppelin | how so, Shad0wcat? |
| 17:26.49 | Led_Zeppelin | what do i press to get into Grubs menu? |
| 17:26.56 | lord_rob | wols: it's in debian/non-free so if it's not in debian it's FOR debian. It works with my nvidia driver |
| 17:27.03 | Chameleon22 | abrotman, thanks |
| 17:27.22 | MegaHambone | I take it that nobody in here has installed a blog package then? |
| 17:27.23 | wols | lord_rob: only if you install the driver first I'd say (tho I always ionstall it manually so I can't say) |
| 17:27.38 | wols | MegaHambone: more like no one cares about blogs I guess... |
| 17:27.59 | devicenull | do I need to do anything special when I create a user account to allow it to su |
| 17:28.07 | wols | lord_rob: "e" think. and unlike lilo you can boot even with a botched config :) |
| 17:28.12 | ansong | MegaHambone, drupal contains blogging features |
| 17:28.19 | wols | devicenull: nothing |
| 17:28.31 | lord_rob | wols: ? |
| 17:28.38 | wols | Led_Zeppelin: e or c |
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| 17:28.45 | wols | lord_rob: wrong nickcomplete |
| 17:28.47 | Led_Zeppelin | wols: k, let me reboot |
| 17:28.51 | lord_rob | k |
| 17:29.13 | modulus | hi, is debian website down? |
| 17:29.25 | ireverentreveren | modulus yes |
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| 17:29.27 | wols | Led_Zeppelin: but you might have to reinstall grub. cause usually grub tells you which key to press if it's capable of honoring that keypress |
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| 17:29.49 | Shadowcat | my guess is his bootloader is screwed |
| 17:29.53 | Led_Zeppelin | wols: look like it. I can't press any keys, other than ctrl+alt+delete |
| 17:29.54 | Shadowcat | if it doesn't even get you to a boot menu |
| 17:29.55 | modulus | oh, damn, now that i was going to install |
| 17:29.58 | Shadowcat | grub is nuked |
| 17:30.05 | Led_Zeppelin | Shad0wcat: ok, how do I resuce it? |
| 17:30.07 | ireverentreveren | modulus planned outage |
| 17:30.23 | Led_Zeppelin | Shad0wcat: puttin disk 1 in |
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| 17:30.31 | Shadowcat | you boot with knoppix and put it back in |
| 17:30.35 | modulus | ireverentreveren: when is it planned to end? |
| 17:30.39 | wols | Led_Zeppelin: reinstalling it |
| 17:30.44 | Led_Zeppelin | wow! really? |
| 17:30.50 | Led_Zeppelin | no way to do a resuce CD? |
| 17:30.50 | Error_X | Is there a european debian web site server? My ISP's fiber cable over to USA is broken atm.. |
| 17:30.55 | ireverentreveren | modulus 5 minutes after it returns |
| 17:31.04 | abrotman | modulus: what od you need? |
| 17:31.05 | wols | Shadowcat: do you know why they removed rescue mode with sarge? (amybe even with woody) |
| 17:31.07 | Shadowcat | www.de.debian.org |
| 17:31.10 | wols | it was sooo handy with old install CDs |
| 17:31.14 | Error_X | Shadowcat: Thanks |
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| 17:31.25 | MegaHambone | hmm, screw this. There's a lot of blogs and they all look really way more complex then what I need. Perhaps i'll just sit down and try to remember enough php to write one. Feh. |
| 17:31.26 | Shadowcat | wols: to make room for knoppix? :^) |
| 17:31.39 | wols | you mean giving knoppix a reason to exist? |
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| 17:31.44 | modulus | i probably need an net install iso and docs |
| 17:31.46 | Led_Zeppelin | okay, so there is no way to resuce my installation then? |
| 17:31.48 | Shadowcat | wols: something like that |
| 17:31.48 | cat | knoppix sucks, |
| 17:31.51 | wols | maybe nice altruism, but I still miss my "rescue" boot parameter |
| 17:31.59 | Shadowcat | Led_Zeppelin: we already told you how |
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| 17:32.09 | Shadowcat | cat: it's good enough for what it's meant to do |
| 17:32.19 | Led_Zeppelin | Shad0wcat: get knoppix? I though you were kidding |
| 17:32.28 | cat | not for me, |
| 17:32.29 | wols | Led_Zeppelin: get anything that can boot linux and where can give it a root= bootparameter |
| 17:32.35 | wols | usually knoppix works for this |
| 17:32.36 | Shadowcat | Led_Zeppelin: yes obviously all the advice I give here is meant as a joke |
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| 17:32.46 | wols | Led_Zeppelin: any livecd would work |
| 17:32.51 | abrotman | Shadowcat: might be easier if you weren't a joke |
| 17:32.59 | Shadowcat | !beat abrotman |
| 17:33.46 | cat | !lart Shadowcat |
| 17:33.57 | modulus | painful |
| 17:34.01 | _gass_ | ouch |
| 17:34.07 | abrotman | !time |
| 17:34.07 | dpkg | somebody said time was found on http://www.time.com/, or 2006.03.25 UTC, or an illusion, and lunchtime doubly so - Ford Prefect said that. of no essence here! |
| 17:34.14 | abrotman | bah .. stupid freaking bot |
| 17:34.16 | wols | has dpkg ever done this to a woman? if so: how? |
| 17:34.20 | Led_Zeppelin | wols: ok, got a suse disk. Letme ttry that |
| 17:34.27 | abrotman | wols: very carefully |
| 17:34.35 | _gass_ | Led_Zeppelin: suse? |
| 17:34.36 | Led_Zeppelin | Shad0wcat: take it easy....i am fairly new to debian. |
| 17:34.52 | Led_Zeppelin | _gass_: yah, have to resuce my debian system |
| 17:34.54 | wols | Led_Zeppelin: is it a LiveCD? |
| 17:34.57 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: you are? |
| 17:35.06 | wols | !newb |
| 17:35.06 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 17:35.09 | Led_Zeppelin | not a live CD, its a insalled CD |
| 17:35.17 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: i am |
| 17:35.20 | Error_X | Would anyone give me a mirror to debian floppy disks? |
| 17:35.22 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: but got advice on other things |
| 17:35.25 | wols | Led_Zeppelin: then it better be able to use arbitrary root partitions... |
| 17:35.27 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: you from PA? :-) |
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| 17:35.50 | Led_Zeppelin | wols: ok..in resuce mode |
| 17:35.53 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: yes |
| 17:35.56 | protoloco | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:36.27 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: yah, i talked to you before. Was away from debian for about 3 yrs...using suse+redhat. now coming back |
| 17:36.29 | weissi | Error_X, ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy perhaps |
| 17:36.34 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: ew |
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| 17:36.36 | Shadowcat | reee |
| 17:36.37 | Shadowcat | eww |
| 17:36.44 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: i haven't been in #debian for three years |
| 17:36.45 | Led_Zeppelin | heh lol |
| 17:36.51 | Shadowcat | abrotman: lies! |
| 17:36.53 | Shadowcat | we have logs! |
| 17:37.02 | Error_X | weissi: Thanks :) |
| 17:37.03 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: debian as in system, not in this channel |
| 17:37.03 | wols | Shadowcat: and abrotman has clones and doubles |
| 17:37.04 | Led_Zeppelin | LOL |
| 17:37.09 | wols | every supervillain does |
| 17:37.11 | modulus | awesome, deutsche mirror works |
| 17:37.13 | protoloco | HEy i cant see any directory in my pages of /var/www/html where there is my root apache directory, i can just see the index.html, but the directories in there.. NO,, why ? that in the BROWSER.. |
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| 17:37.21 | weissi | Shadowcat, really? Were can I find the logs? |
| 17:37.25 | Nin | hi there! |
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| 17:37.45 | Error_X | modulus: I have to use european servers since my isp's fiber cable to the USA is broken :-/ |
| 17:37.47 | Led_Zeppelin | wols: ok, getting into grub. how do i set reset my bootlist? |
| 17:38.04 | wols | Led_Zeppelin: you don't. you reinstall grub |
| 17:38.14 | Led_Zeppelin | type 'grub' ? |
| 17:38.15 | Led_Zeppelin | thats all? |
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| 17:38.25 | wols | if you ask like this: man grub |
| 17:38.34 | unknown_ | !bootlog |
| 17:38.34 | dpkg | /etc/default/bootlogd now defaults to "no". Edit that to get your /var/log/boot file back. For more info, see bugs.debian.org/213028, or not a command (opposed to dmesg) |
| 17:38.43 | slinn | where can i see all of dpkg's factoids? |
| 17:38.55 | wols | slinn: you dissect abrotman |
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| 17:39.24 | chealer9 | !tell slinn about your factoids |
| 17:39.25 | kronoz | lol |
| 17:39.27 | abrotman | slinn: /msg dpkg your factoids |
| 17:39.38 | abrotman | wols: to be fair . i don't know all of them :) |
| 17:39.44 | modulus | Error_X: i live in europe anyway, so 'tis cool for me. |
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| 17:39.59 | Error_X | Me too :p |
| 17:40.03 | slinn | thanks |
| 17:40.08 | wols | abrotman: I don't care: it would have meant one less clone of you :P |
| 17:40.16 | abrotman | heh |
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| 17:40.47 | modulus | Europa Europa über alles :-) |
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| 17:41.04 | Led_Zeppelin | wols: hell, i will just reinstall |
| 17:41.07 | Error_X | They said it was supposed to be up and running again at 18:00 (GMT +1) buuut... Tele2 Sucks |
| 17:41.08 | Led_Zeppelin | wols: much easier |
| 17:41.12 | Led_Zeppelin | hehehe |
| 17:41.20 | Led_Zeppelin | i don;t have an extra blank CD for a Live CD download |
| 17:41.32 | SPF | how do I copy a file with jap characters in it? |
| 17:41.46 | abrotman | !grub floppy image |
| 17:41.47 | dpkg | from memory, grub floppy image is ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/grub/ |
| 17:41.51 | protoloco | I have a FTP server that i can just upload/download files in my USER directory, hhow can i tell VSFTPD that i wanna upload files in root apache page /var/www/html/ , in there i wanna upload files |
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| 17:41.58 | modulus | tele2? the same one as works in spain? |
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| 17:42.10 | loca|host | hello |
| 17:42.16 | loca|host | i cant reach debian.org |
| 17:42.19 | abrotman | protoloco: for starters .. don't use ftp .. and make it your $HOME |
| 17:42.24 | loca|host | i need to download the sarge netinstall |
| 17:42.25 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: thanks, but no floppy disk drive or floppies. |
| 17:42.26 | abrotman | loca|host: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/03/msg00021.html |
| 17:42.29 | Error_X | modulus: They have offices and delivers broadband to all over europe (I live in Norway) |
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| 17:42.46 | modulus | aha, i heard many people have trouble with tele2 here in .es |
| 17:42.46 | Error_X | loca|host: Where do you live? |
| 17:42.59 | Error_X | yes |
| 17:43.27 | Error_X | And almost everybody from europe uses their fiber to get to the usa. |
| 17:43.36 | modulus | interesting, i didn't know that |
| 17:43.37 | protoloco | abrotman, im not starter, but in FTP yeah |
| 17:43.42 | Error_X | Wel, shit happens |
| 17:43.53 | abrotman | protoloco: don't use ftp |
| 17:43.55 | SPF | I cant reach debian.org here either |
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| 17:44.22 | abrotman | loca|host: you can get CD1 . i can't find a mirror for the netinst . ye |
| 17:44.23 | abrotman | yet |
| 17:44.40 | Error_X | http://193.12.60.62/public/driftsinformasjon.nsf/d2757fd02e2b9dbf41256803003b53f3/ead5edbdc4b38845c125713c003e6d1a?OpenDocument (Norwegian) |
| 17:44.49 | abrotman | loca|host: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_beta2/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 17:44.59 | protoloco | abrotman, is for a company |
| 17:45.01 | abrotman | loca|host: WAIT .. not that |
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| 17:45.23 | abrotman | loca|host: this one ... http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r1/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r1a-i386-netinst.iso |
| 17:45.49 | abrotman | protoloco: ok .. then you create a new user .. and set thier $HOME to /var/www/html/ |
| 17:46.32 | penguin42 | exim question: I'm trying to do a wildcard alias for a set of (sub)domains; so I have a ${lookup{@$domain}lsearch{/etc/aliases}} wildcard rule and aliases like @treblig.org: user1 and @steve.treblig.org: user2 yet it never seems to be hitting the one for the subdomain - suggestions? |
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| 17:46.40 | abrotman | #exim ? |
| 17:46.50 | penguin42 | ah - there is a #exim? |
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| 17:47.26 | protoloco | abrotman, yes i already did that.. but i get from gftp client disconnected. cuz can access to /var/www/html |
| 17:47.32 | signature16 | how so install nvu? i tried apt-get install nvu but it didnt work |
| 17:47.34 | Error_X | Grrr, can anyone give me a EU link to rawrite for Windows/DOS? |
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| 17:47.47 | abrotman | protoloco: who owns the files in /var/www/html ? |
| 17:48.02 | abrotman | Error_X: every debian mirror should have rawrite |
| 17:48.07 | protoloco | i think is somethin about permissions abrotman but im still having problems.. drwxrwxr-- 5 root ftpusers 4,0K mar 24 23:12 html |
| 17:48.15 | protoloco | abrotman, root ... |
| 17:48.24 | abrotman | Error_X: ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/tools/ |
| 17:48.28 | modulus | hehe, rawrite |
| 17:48.28 | protoloco | abrotman, u should own them ? if there is no owners really... |
| 17:48.33 | Error_X | abrotman: Thanks :) |
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| 17:48.41 | penguin42 | abrotman: Thanks, I'll move it there - I wonder why it didn't show up in a /list - hohum, thanks |
| 17:48.43 | abrotman | protoloco: uhm .. tha tshould be ok |
| 17:48.43 | Error_X | modulus: I'm going to install debian on a 486 Lappy :p |
| 17:48.53 | abrotman | !sarge bf |
| 17:48.53 | dpkg | hmm... sarge floppies is http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitute your arch for i386 |
| 17:48.58 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: how long you been using Debian? |
| 17:49.04 | modulus | nice |
| 17:49.11 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: sice uhm .. slink .. or hamm or |
| 17:49.14 | abrotman | !release history |
| 17:49.15 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06). The next release will be Etch. See also <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>. |
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| 17:49.25 | modulus | i'm installing on an amd mobile athlon xp 140++ |
| 17:49.34 | abrotman | it was slink or hamm .. i can't remember |
| 17:49.36 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: wow! nice. |
| 17:49.41 | protoloco | abrotman, :S i cant see pages in /var/www/html/Directory and i cant log in by ftp to /var/www/html/ ,, maybe cuz the owner is ROOT ? |
| 17:49.55 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: i started at potato, and stopped for a while. |
| 17:50.05 | Error_X | Heh, what will happend when Debian runs out of names? :p |
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| 17:50.06 | abrotman | protoloco: or maybe because vsftpd doesnt' allow it |
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| 17:50.15 | abrotman | Error_X: we pay pixar to make a new toy story |
| 17:50.19 | Error_X | lol :p |
| 17:50.21 | Led_Zeppelin | LOL! |
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| 17:50.27 | modulus | we can start gnu-naming: this is not the Slnik relase :-) |
| 17:50.52 | wols | abrotman: no need now that disney owns them. there will be sequells forever |
| 17:50.52 | zleap | ah named after toy story characters, |
| 17:50.56 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: are you a student or a pro? |
| 17:50.58 | wols | downside is of course they probably all suck |
| 17:50.59 | zleap | so whos sid |
| 17:51.05 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: we're all students |
| 17:51.11 | Led_Zeppelin | hehe well said |
| 17:51.13 | abrotman | !sid |
| 17:51.13 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 17:51.32 | zleap | ok |
| 17:51.32 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: i went to PSU and LHUP .. i've been out for a few years |
| 17:51.39 | zleap | it's there for testing then |
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| 17:51.50 | modulus | testing is testing |
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| 17:51.57 | zleap | well kanotix is based on sid |
| 17:51.57 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: i too went to PSU |
| 17:52.03 | zleap | it works great for me |
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| 17:52.10 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: what is LHUP ? |
| 17:52.12 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: i was gone from PSU . a long time ago |
| 17:52.15 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: lock haven |
| 17:52.20 | Led_Zeppelin | ha! |
| 17:52.22 | pauvre10m | il y as des frs ici |
| 17:52.30 | abrotman | !fr |
| 17:52.31 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais mais peu ou pas anglais et qui ont besoin d'aide avec Debian peuvent demander sur #debian-fr. People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 17:52.32 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: went to UD (upper darby) |
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| 17:52.40 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: i work in KoP :) |
| 17:52.55 | Error_X | !no |
| 17:52.55 | dpkg | No Offense |
| 17:52.56 | Error_X | :p |
| 17:52.57 | Led_Zeppelin | sweet. I moved away from our area...went to the midwest, but I am there a lot |
| 17:53.02 | pauvre10m | sory i arived in débian |
| 17:53.05 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: i'm sorry .. |
| 17:53.22 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: lol....had to try something new...will go back there again (i love it there) |
| 17:53.26 | Error_X | wow, a french guy knows how to speak english : |
| 17:53.26 | initech | Led Zeppelin sux, bra |
| 17:53.36 | modulus | it happens |
| 17:53.41 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: not sure how much longer i'll be here .. we'll see |
| 17:53.43 | wols | only new LZ does |
| 17:53.49 | modulus | just as weird as an english guy speaking french though :-) |
| 17:54.01 | modulus | (or any other lang) |
| 17:54.08 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: were you planning to go? |
| 17:54.23 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: somewhere between the north and south poles |
| 17:54.35 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: good, as long as its not in the ocean |
| 17:54.58 | Cyorxamp | Hey folks..... I have -no- ttyUSB in /dev - I need them.. badly.. lsusb can see the fact I have 5 usb ports - how can I get my ttyUSB's ?!!? |
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| 17:55.20 | mlz | sorry disturbing :), I have some problems stacking pam_cracklib & pam_unix for a nis server |
| 17:55.25 | modulus | how does gnu/linux see firewire hds? |
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| 17:55.45 | mlz | it works for root, doesn't work for user, still look only for local passwords |
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| 17:56.05 | mlz | ... for local users |
| 17:56.08 | mlz | any idea |
| 17:56.09 | mlz | ? |
| 17:56.19 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: not sure, what else there is to do other than IT these days :-(..kinda scary |
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| 17:56.59 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: make eggs? |
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| 17:57.09 | abrotman | Stevie: you forgot your hostmask again! |
| 17:57.11 | Hessophanes | mlz: If it's not accessing the NIS account database, check /etc/nsswitch.conf ... |
| 17:57.15 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: i guess, I am good at sitting on the coach. |
| 17:57.26 | Poopsmith | Heya. Anyone here able to tell me offhand, is it possible to build a software RAID1 array using two disks of the same size but different disk geometries? |
| 17:57.28 | mlz | i checked, put there compat |
| 17:57.35 | mlz | it works |
| 17:57.43 | Yoric | I have a kernel oops when booting my laptop with smp enabled, during detection of pcmcia. |
| 17:57.48 | mlz | id, groups, authentication |
| 17:57.54 | Yoric | Any suggestion ? |
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| 17:58.05 | mlz | doesn't work when try with passwd |
| 17:58.10 | mlz | as regular user |
| 17:58.18 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: good plan |
| 17:58.18 | modulus | de-set smp? |
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| 17:58.29 | Yoric | modulus, it's a smp laptop. |
| 17:58.29 | Led_Zeppelin | hey |
| 17:58.38 | Yoric | I'd really appreciate using those two cores. |
| 17:58.49 | Led_Zeppelin | it seems when I do a apt-get upgrade, its still asking me for kernel-image as a choice. Is the normal? |
| 17:58.51 | modulus | you could try with a different kernel |
| 17:58.53 | Led_Zeppelin | its asking me to upgrade my kernel |
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| 17:59.30 | Hessophanes | mlz: Hmm... I don't remember how exactly compat mode works... maybe try "passwd: files nis" instead? |
| 17:59.37 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: in sarge? |
| 17:59.43 | Yoric | I tried with 2.6.12-9 and 2.6.12-10. |
| 17:59.57 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: yes, In sarge |
| 17:59.57 | modulus | hmm |
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| 18:00.03 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: /topic |
| 18:00.14 | mlz | Hessophanes: I'll try, don't think it's it |
| 18:00.20 | abrotman | Yoric: 2.6.15 is in etch and 2.6.16 in sid |
| 18:00.21 | modulus | can you live without acpi? |
| 18:00.23 | mlz | it works as root |
| 18:00.33 | Yoric | modulus, acpi ? |
| 18:00.41 | Yoric | Can you remind me what this is ? |
| 18:00.44 | modulus | wasn't it on acpi detection you said? |
| 18:00.49 | Yoric | abrotman, ok, I'll take a look. |
| 18:00.53 | modulus | acpi is the energy management wankage. |
| 18:00.54 | Yoric | modulus, pcmcia |
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| 18:01.01 | modulus | ah sorry, head is mushy today. |
| 18:01.03 | Yoric | (well, "pcic") |
| 18:01.11 | Led_Zeppelin | ok, abrotman |
| 18:01.21 | Yoric | abrotman, I'll take a look, thanks. |
| 18:01.35 | modulus | dpkg: testing |
| 18:01.35 | dpkg | A release phase between frozen (stable) and unstable. Etch is now testing. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Note that testing and security updates mix complexly. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. |
| 18:01.38 | Led_Zeppelin | i will just get it :-) |
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| 18:02.06 | xesark | hi |
| 18:02.09 | xesark | i need helP |
| 18:02.11 | xesark | :$ |
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| 18:02.34 | Yoric | Xenguy, go ahead |
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| 18:02.37 | Yoric | sorry |
| 18:02.40 | Yoric | xesark, go ahead |
| 18:02.44 | Hessophanes | mlz: What exactly do you mean by "doesn't work as user"? Which command is failing? |
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| 18:03.16 | ma3x | still having that boot problem |
| 18:03.18 | ma3x | can't boot |
| 18:03.25 | mlz | Hessophanes: one moment, I'll give you the output .. |
| 18:03.26 | ma3x | it can't load the modules with 2.6.16 kernel-image |
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| 18:03.48 | ma3x | it says for eg. piiix or ide-generic file format not valid |
| 18:03.50 | ma3x | or something like that |
| 18:04.02 | xesark | i need the command for mount D: |
| 18:04.09 | xesark | plz :$ |
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| 18:05.01 | SPF | xesark: on what hard drive is D on? |
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| 18:05.12 | SPF | primairy secundairy slave master? |
| 18:05.17 | Perdignus | Hello - Does anyone know the process for figuring out vesa modes like vga=806 ? |
| 18:05.19 | Perdignus | vga=806 works for 800x480 24bit but I need a 16bit mode |
| 18:06.20 | abrotman | !vfatrw |
| 18:06.20 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS, if you replace "vfat" with "ntfs" (although you can't currently easily _write_ to NTFS with Linux).. |
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| 18:07.56 | cipo | im upgrading from sarge to etch, then my keyboard and mouse doesnt work on xorg, anyone can help me please? |
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| 18:08.37 | abrotman | !drxx cipo |
| 18:08.37 | modulus | well, i got the netinst, wish me luck with the install. |
| 18:08.38 | dpkg | cipo: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 18:09.14 | cipo | !xmd5 cipo |
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| 18:09.41 | apikoros | hey, do i need to load lpd if the only printer i use, i access remotely via cups? |
| 18:09.56 | abrotman | no |
| 18:09.59 | abrotman | wait .. maybe |
| 18:10.01 | cipo | i already dpkg-reconfigure, still no luck |
| 18:10.02 | abrotman | printing sucks |
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| 18:10.59 | apikoros | tell that to my profs ;) |
| 18:11.00 | abrotman | cipo: got a better error from your X log ? |
| 18:11.00 | mlz | Hessophanes: when trying passswd as user |
| 18:11.00 | cipo | no core pointer |
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| 18:11.00 | abrotman | cipo: post your X log somewhere |
| 18:11.00 | abrotman | !paste |
| 18:11.00 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 18:11.00 | cipo | ok |
| 18:11.00 | Hessophanes | mlz: passwd can't change passwords remotely on the NIS server... use yppasswd for that. |
| 18:11.07 | mlz | Hessophanes: I get 'changing unix pass' , can't get authentication for user ... |
| 18:11.09 | johaBBa | how do i use the kerne-patch-reiser4 package with the debian kernel? |
| 18:11.19 | abrotman | eww .. reiser |
| 18:11.19 | johaBBa | i would like to use reiser4 |
| 18:11.23 | abrotman | really? |
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| 18:11.33 | cladd | hello |
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| 18:12.10 | johaBBa | abrotman, yes, do you know how to use kernel-patch packages to add to debian kernel? |
| 18:12.11 | Hessophanes | mlz: The same with chfn, chsh... they all have their NIS counterparts, ypchsh, ypchfn... |
| 18:12.14 | cipo | ah, my mouse doesnt work, how do i copy paste from terminal? |
| 18:12.21 | mlz | Hessophanes: when tried as root, it prompts for root's nis pass and then get to changing user pass |
| 18:12.28 | abrotman | johaBBa: i'd suspect you need the kernel-source package |
| 18:12.31 | abrotman | cipo: where are you going to paste? |
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| 18:12.46 | cipo | pastebin.ca ? |
| 18:13.02 | abrotman | cipo: use the "upload a file" part |
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| 18:13.05 | mlz | Hessophanes: I do this from server, not from client |
| 18:13.08 | johaBBa | abrotman, i have that as well. apt-get showed it as a suggested package and i downloaded it. how do i apply the kernel-patch package to the debian kernel? |
| 18:13.17 | john_doe | is there a file that contains a list of all software installed via apt? |
| 18:13.19 | abrotman | johaBBa: man patch ? |
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| 18:13.28 | mlz | Hessophanes: it is supposed to work pam_unix ... nis |
| 18:13.30 | abrotman | john_doe: dpkg -l ? |
| 18:13.32 | johaBBa | abrotman, i see. you don't know. thanks. |
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| 18:14.06 | abrotman | johaBBa: i would assume you would use patch .. it is a kernel patch .. i don't use reiser .. and haven't used a driver outside the debian kernel in quite a while |
| 18:14.11 | Hessophanes | mlz: Ah, you're on the server. Sorry, missed that part of information. |
| 18:14.16 | infernix | johaBBa: is there no documentation for the package? |
| 18:14.40 | infernix | if there is, RTFM:) |
| 18:14.46 | abrotman | johaBBa: oh .. i thought it was a patch you downloaded .. not a packaged patch |
| 18:14.51 | zippy | hi.. pls.. there is anyway to convert i386.deb to amd64? |
| 18:14.53 | mlz | Hessophanes: actually i'm trying a nis to ldap migration and want to do a web interface for pass change ... |
| 18:14.56 | johaBBa | infernix, yes. it refers to using make-kpkg. but when tried the suggested command it says make-kpkg says it cannot find the reiser4 patch |
| 18:15.13 | abrotman | something in /usr/share/doc/ ? |
| 18:15.22 | johaBBa | infernix, i'm using a debian patch package...trying to anyway |
| 18:15.30 | infernix | *shrug*, im a kpkg noob. i build my own |
| 18:15.37 | infernix | no idea where kpkg expects its patches to be |
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| 18:15.42 | coywolf | sorry, how to buy dell laptop? from a local dealer or not? |
| 18:15.52 | mlz | Hessophanes: with strengh & pro-active crack ... but looks more complicated than expected |
| 18:16.01 | Hessophanes | mlz: Ah, I see... hmm, just tried myself, I'm getting the same error... |
| 18:16.04 | abrotman | coywolf: just don't buy dell |
| 18:16.10 | abrotman | sorry petemc |
| 18:16.18 | coywolf | abrotman, why? |
| 18:16.24 | abrotman | find something else |
| 18:16.45 | abrotman | ibm ... hp .. toshiba .. fujitsu .. gateway .. apple .. anything but dell ;) |
| 18:16.53 | coywolf | abrotman, is there dell local dealer? |
| 18:16.58 | mlz | Hessophanes: buggy .. if I could find a stand-alone application that use pam_cracklib with old pass check, that would do my job but didn't find |
| 18:17.01 | abrotman | coywolf: local to you? no idea |
| 18:17.15 | coywolf | abrotman, i mean in you country? |
| 18:17.18 | abrotman | coywolf: personally .. i'd buy IBM |
| 18:17.23 | abrotman | or lenovo .. whatever it is now |
| 18:17.34 | coywolf | abrotman, dell sells directly or via local dealer? |
| 18:17.45 | abrotman | no idea .. i would NEVER buy a dell |
| 18:17.46 | Hessophanes | mlz: Hmm, I'm afraid I can't help you then... |
| 18:17.53 | abrotman | coywolf: maybe ask #hardware |
| 18:18.04 | deadcat | abrotman: try again! |
| 18:18.08 | abrotman | deadcat: ? |
| 18:18.10 | mlz | Hessophanes: I would check the pass firrst, and then change it with yppasswd & cpu for nis & ldap respectively |
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| 18:18.38 | deadcat | abrotman: the #hardware thing... because you told me to try again on #debian-gnome yesterday (= |
| 18:18.39 | coywolf | abrotman, can I msg you? |
| 18:18.39 | mlz | Hessophanes: I believed that someone else has done this .. searched.. didn't find |
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| 18:18.49 | Cyorxamp | should pl2303 make a ttyUSB0 whatever usb 'thing' is plugged in? |
| 18:18.53 | abrotman | deadcat: no .. i did no such thing .. #debian-gnome doesn't exist afaik |
| 18:18.58 | abrotman | coywolf: for what? |
| 18:19.10 | Denmark | abrotman : get a <> key. |
| 18:19.11 | abrotman | coywolf: i don't like dell . i think dell makes shit .. i would never ever buy a dell .. for any purpose |
| 18:19.12 | coywolf | abrotman, buy laptop |
| 18:19.18 | thinkloop | I get this error when trying to send mail from my gmail account to the exim4 SMTP server on my linux box... PERM_FAILURE: SMTP Error (state 9): 550 relay not permitted |
| 18:19.27 | abrotman | Denmark: it's a really bad habit |
| 18:19.30 | Denmark | abrotman labtob has <> key. |
| 18:19.32 | deadcat | abrotman: ask for s/a/m or something like that before private message (= |
| 18:19.39 | abrotman | heh |
| 18:19.41 | abrotman | !#gnome |
| 18:19.42 | dpkg | The gnome IRC channel is #gnome at irc.gnome.org, or for debian gnome related use #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
| 18:19.44 | mlz | Hessophanes: thanks for trying to help anyway |
| 18:19.45 | abrotman | deadcat: those are the ones i know of |
| 18:19.59 | coywolf | abrotman, you've got bad experience with dell? |
| 18:20.05 | abrotman | coywolf: everyone does :) |
| 18:20.10 | Hessophanes | mlz: No problem. :) |
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| 18:20.13 | deadcat | abrotman: oh. i dont really care about the #gnome stuff. one dude was asking and i was just guessing |
| 18:20.17 | Denmark | I don't - why not? |
| 18:20.20 | Denmark | I never had a dell! |
| 18:20.23 | abrotman | coywolf: really .. ask #hardware .. i don't like dell .. i won't buy them or recommend them |
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| 18:20.30 | Denmark | (ha ha ha ...) |
| 18:21.05 | coywolf | abrotman, will you join #hardware? |
| 18:21.14 | abrotman | coywolf: why? .. i will say the same thing there .. |
| 18:22.27 | coywolf | abrotman, what's you recomendations? I'd use debian with a laptop |
| 18:22.38 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 18:22.38 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org , and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 18:22.43 | abrotman | coywolf: i already told you what i would do |
| 18:23.09 | Denmark | one thing gnu/linux lacks ... is a site where you can see which hardware to buy |
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| 18:23.20 | tarzeau | Denmark: and gnu/kfreebsd ? |
| 18:23.23 | Denmark | I am considering buying a new computer .. and its naremight |
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| 18:23.41 | Denmark | nightmare, even. |
| 18:23.44 | Denmark | tarzeau yeah |
| 18:24.17 | rgb2 | i've just upgraded to 2.6.16-i686 and get an error that says "unconfigured headers in linux-headers-2.6.16" when i try to install the nvidia-kernel |
| 18:24.17 | Denmark | tarzeau Except I don't run *BSD |
| 18:24.28 | abrotman | coywolf: DON'T DO THAT |
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| 18:24.41 | coywolf | abrotman, ok |
| 18:24.49 | john_doe | abrotman: thank you for your reply :-) |
| 18:24.50 | Denmark | give him the oneliner! |
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| 18:24.54 | coywolf | abrotman, there's some sensitive things |
| 18:25.00 | tarzeau | Denmark: not even if it's debian? |
| 18:25.07 | infernix | coywolf: if you have the cash to burn, buy Alienware. |
| 18:25.20 | coywolf | infernix, url? |
| 18:25.22 | Denmark | tarzeau : I don't mean I wont, I simply don't right now. ;-) |
| 18:25.25 | abrotman | coywolf: what could possibly be sensitive |
| 18:25.28 | infernix | coywolf: google |
| 18:25.46 | abrotman | infernix: you don't know what he's using it for .. alienware doesn't exactly make super portable & light laptops |
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| 18:25.55 | Denmark | tarzeau : Are you running *bsd ? |
| 18:26.01 | Denmark | tarzeau debian gnu/bsd? |
| 18:26.13 | coywolf | abrotman, trust me |
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| 18:26.29 | infernix | abrotman, you don't know either ;) and they aren't bad, anyway. |
| 18:26.42 | abrotman | infernix: i have an 8lb laptop .. not the best thing to lug around :) |
| 18:26.43 | Denmark | dpkg tell coywolf about nvidia-one-liner |
| 18:26.51 | Denmark | dpkg tell coywolf about nvidia-oneliner |
| 18:26.55 | Denmark | dpkg tell coywolf about nvidiaoneliner |
| 18:27.00 | Denmark | dpkg curse |
| 18:27.00 | dpkg | from memory, swearing is Silence, you sock-clucking mother-trucker |
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| 18:27.09 | tarzeau | Denmark: yes i do |
| 18:27.20 | infernix | well an Alienware is more of a portable form of a desktop pc |
| 18:27.22 | tarzeau | Denmark: find more about it in #gnu-kfbsd |
| 18:27.39 | abrotman | infernix: i have a "Desktop Replacement" thinkpad .. not a light machine |
| 18:27.59 | neiljp_ | is there any signal that you can send to XF86 which will restart it but keep the attached apps? |
| 18:28.14 | infernix | who says coywolf cant cope with some heavy lifting? :) |
| 18:28.50 | ishi_ | hi guys, i've just done a fresh debian install, and i've noticed something is listening on a whole load of ports. i figured it was inetd, but /etc/inetd.conf is empty? any ideas whats using the ports? |
| 18:29.03 | tarzeau | Denmark: #gnu-kbsd |
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| 18:29.07 | infernix | ishi_: netstat -anp |
| 18:29.07 | Denmark | h |
| 18:29.08 | tarzeau | Denmark: sorry the other one was wrong |
| 18:29.09 | Denmark | k |
| 18:29.21 | ishi_ | infernix; thanks i'll take a look |
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| 18:29.40 | Denmark | tarzeau neat |
| 18:30.12 | Eulex | debian.org is down? |
| 18:30.23 | rgb2 | i've just upgraded to 2.6.16-i686 and get an error that says "unconfigured headers in linux-headers-2.6.16" when i try to install the nvidia-kernel, any help? |
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| 18:30.30 | Denmark | Eulex : really? |
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| 18:30.48 | ishi_ | infernix; thanks for that, it cleared things up :) |
| 18:31.00 | sussudio | Denmark: YA RLY |
| 18:31.17 | Led_Zeppelin | anyone here play with xen on sarge? |
| 18:31.32 | bobyfixer | any one compiled mechcommander 2 under linux ?!!!! |
| 18:31.55 | Denmark | bobyfixer : Why not? |
| 18:32.17 | Denmark | sussudio : ugugugug? hulla hulla! |
| 18:32.30 | davFr | debian.org down ? if so, s.o. please update the topic ;o) |
| 18:32.35 | abrotman | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/03/msg00021.html |
| 18:32.36 | tarzeau | Eulex: yes it was announced |
| 18:32.41 | Eulex | tarzeau, ah, ok |
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| 18:32.53 | roccociro_ | #ubuntu-it |
| 18:32.57 | abrotman | wrong channel |
| 18:33.15 | davFr | abrotman : thanks |
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| 18:34.11 | coywolf | so dell local dealers are illegal or not authentic dell? |
| 18:34.23 | abrotman | coywolf: where is your location ? |
| 18:34.27 | thinkloop | is the debian website down? |
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| 18:34.37 | Denmark | thinkloop : Do you have a brain? |
| 18:34.45 | Eulex | thinkloop, http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/03/msg00021.html |
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| 18:34.50 | coywolf | abrotman, ? |
| 18:34.59 | abrotman | coywolf: what country are you in? |
| 18:35.10 | Denmark | thinkloop : Sorry, I didn't /mean/ to seem rude. |
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| 18:35.19 | coywolf | abrotman you? |
| 18:35.24 | Denmark | coywolf you? |
| 18:35.38 | abrotman | coywolf: i'm asking you |
| 18:35.51 | Denmark | coywolf : Are you doing shaolin kung fu? |
| 18:36.02 | coywolf | Denmark, what's that? |
| 18:36.07 | abrotman | ignore Denmark |
| 18:36.13 | Denmark | abrotman : Why? |
| 18:36.14 | abrotman | answer my darn question |
| 18:36.26 | abrotman | Denmark: because you're not helping anyone in anyway |
| 18:36.32 | Denmark | abrotman : Its maerterial art. |
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| 18:36.40 | abrotman | coywolf: STOP DOING THAT |
| 18:36.44 | Denmark | Martial, even. |
| 18:36.52 | coywolf | abrotman, it's sensitive |
| 18:36.54 | abrotman | coywolf: i have no idea if they are legal in your country .. |
| 18:36.57 | abrotman | coywolf: no it's not |
| 18:37.07 | Denmark | Whats illegal somewhere? |
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| 18:37.32 | coywolf | abrotman, i care if it's authentic or common? |
| 18:37.47 | abrotman | coywolf: then order online |
| 18:37.49 | Denmark | What are youguys talking baout on #Debian? |
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| 18:37.53 | abrotman | coywolf: i'd think you'd want to support lenovo |
| 18:37.59 | abrotman | cipo: get the file ? |
| 18:38.05 | toothpick | Where is the autobuild script ? Because I need to modify the {directory}/debian/control file and change xlibs-dev to libx11-dev |
| 18:38.11 | signature16 | What file would all the internet configuration be in? like ip address/netmask/etc |
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| 18:38.21 | toothpick | I need to know where that {directory} is. |
| 18:38.29 | abrotman | !tell signature16 about interfaces |
| 18:38.42 | Denmark | thinkloop : maybe try http://debian.net .. |
| 18:38.45 | coywolf | abrotman, here are a lot dell local dealers, I wonder if in you area the same |
| 18:38.58 | nayyres | how can i uncompress rar file ? |
| 18:38.58 | abrotman | coywolf: i don't look for them .. remember .. i don't like dell |
| 18:39.04 | abrotman | !tell nayyres about unrar |
| 18:39.24 | coywolf | abrotman, yeah, but in any case you happen ever see them |
| 18:39.33 | davFr | nayres : with unrar |
| 18:39.39 | abrotman | coywolf: buy it online if you're not sure |
| 18:39.54 | nayyres | abrotman, it not installed in core ?:( |
| 18:40.02 | abrotman | rar isn't free afaik |
| 18:40.05 | davFr | nayres : a non-free package i think |
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| 18:40.57 | coywolf | abrotman, online's is expensive, i'm confused |
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| 18:41.27 | abrotman | coywolf: then buy from lenovo |
| 18:41.42 | |AciD| | I just discovered that the keyboard "scroll" led of two of my computers (normal and laptop) are blinking. One of the downside of this, I guess, is that sometimes, keys I type aren't taken into account (the push and/or release events). Here is my kbd config : http://rafb.net/paste/results/Woe3AV11.html |
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| 18:43.01 | zleap | x.org 7.0 is out |
| 18:43.05 | abrotman | and? |
| 18:43.12 | Denmark | or? |
| 18:43.15 | zleap | nand |
| 18:43.20 | zleap | not |
| 18:43.22 | zleap | nor |
| 18:43.26 | MauL^ | Hey friends. Sometimes ago I used dpkg and installed something. Then I open apt-get(synaptic) and it said me that there are broken packages. I clicked on fix brokan packages but it didnt. Moreover, every time I try to install something, it says it will delete some essential packages like APT. so I cant go on my operations. even if I do unmark all, it says it will delete some essential packages. what can I do? |
| 18:43.28 | Denmark | xor |
| 18:43.34 | zleap | xnor |
| 18:43.53 | abrotman | MauL^: paste the whole error |
| 18:43.55 | abrotman | !paste |
| 18:43.55 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 18:44.02 | abrotman | and use apt-get .. not synaptic |
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| 18:44.34 | MauL^ | abrotman: do they act differently? I tried the same, it game the same response |
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| 18:44.53 | abrotman | MauL^: i meant so you could paste the error |
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| 18:45.27 | kurumin | hu ruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu |
| 18:45.45 | kurumin | \,,/_ _\,,/ |
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| 18:45.57 | abrotman | !kurumin |
| 18:45.58 | dpkg | Kurumin Linux is a Brazilian run-from-CD Linux distribution based on Knoppix. That means it's not debian. Go away.. Ajuda pra Kurumin: http://www.kurumin.com.br |
| 18:46.02 | MauL^ | abrotman: there is no error. it says it will remove some essential packages like: apt (essential) will be removed |
| 18:46.02 | MauL^ | apt-utils will be removed |
| 18:46.03 | MauL^ | aptitude will be removed |
| 18:46.13 | MauL^ | so I cancel |
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| 18:46.19 | hedpe | whats a good easy way to create an .ISO out of a movie DVD ? |
| 18:46.23 | kurumin | :D |
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| 18:46.36 | abrotman | MauL^: no crap .. paste the whole thing |
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| 18:46.38 | abrotman | !paste |
| 18:46.38 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 18:46.42 | settd | does anyone know crontab well? |
| 18:46.43 | settd | 0-59 * * * * /var/www/updatescript > /dev/null 2>&1 |
| 18:46.52 | settd | would that script run every minute? |
| 18:47.01 | abrotman | use a * in every position |
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| 18:47.09 | MauL^ | abrotman: what is the whole thin you want me to past |
| 18:47.14 | settd | ok |
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| 18:47.31 | jfa | hi |
| 18:47.31 | abrotman | MauL^: open an xterm .. type su .. type apt-get -f install .. paste everything apt-get spits out |
| 18:47.46 | Stevie | '*/2 * * * *' would do every 2 minutes, right? |
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| 18:48.10 | MauL^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:48.11 | MauL^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:48.12 | MauL^ | WARNING: The following essential packages will be removed. |
| 18:48.12 | MauL^ | This should NOT be done unless you know exactly what you are doing! |
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| 18:48.20 | mrkris- | Stevie: yes |
| 18:48.21 | hedpe | Stevie: correct |
| 18:48.28 | roxy_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:48.31 | toothpick | Can I do a global search to find the file /debian/control ? |
| 18:48.49 | abrotman | it's in source packages |
| 18:48.49 | itrebal | i've gota 60 gig harddrive, with windows installed on the first one, with 35 gigs of harddrive space, i go to install debian on the remainder of it and it says there arnt any partitions on the drive at all.... whats up? |
| 18:48.51 | settd | strange but it does not work |
| 18:49.04 | cycus_zwisus | after installing ati drivers shouldn't it be enough to edit xorg.conf and substitute "ati" with "fglrx"? |
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| 18:50.06 | settd | crontab mails me an error /bin/sh: None: command not found |
| 18:50.10 | settd | what could that mean? |
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| 18:50.24 | Eulex | cycus_zwisus, yes, afaik. what's your problem? |
| 18:50.25 | wols | means it tries to call a command "None" which of ocurse does not exist |
| 18:50.35 | abrotman | settd: your script could be messed .. |
| 18:50.54 | settd | no, my script runs well by itseld |
| 18:50.56 | settd | itself |
| 18:50.57 | cycus_zwisus | Eulex, i can't start xsession after doing so |
| 18:50.58 | wols | abrotman: why so shy? why "could"? |
| 18:51.13 | settd | #!/bin/bash |
| 18:51.13 | settd | more /tmp/xmms-info |grep Title > xmmslog.txt |
| 18:51.16 | settd | this is my script |
| 18:51.17 | Eulex | !doesn't work |
| 18:51.17 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 18:51.28 | Eulex | cycus_zwisus, also, what exact command are you using? |
| 18:51.36 | abrotman | wols: because i can't see the script :) |
| 18:51.40 | wols | settd: then you don't call the script correctly |
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| 18:51.55 | cycus_zwisus | startx, kdm |
| 18:52.02 | settd | I* * * * * /var/www/updatescript |
| 18:52.05 | settd | this is how I call it |
| 18:52.10 | MauL^ | abrotman: I pasted in flood |
| 18:52.19 | r0b0 | hi, i have a problem with auto-mouting in gnome |
| 18:52.38 | r0b0 | the usb stick is mounted but doesn't open a nautilus window |
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| 18:53.52 | settd | so is it a wrong way to run script this way? * * * * * /var/www/updatescript |
| 18:54.20 | Led_Zeppelin | hey, anyone here do Linux LVM? How do I reintroduce a PVID into a VG? |
| 18:54.57 | Led_Zeppelin | or even export the pv, and then reimport into vg? |
| 18:55.02 | infernix | try #lvm? |
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| 18:55.23 | jess0r | Hi |
| 18:55.35 | Led_Zeppelin | infernix: everyone is sleeping there :-( |
| 18:55.36 | settd | http://rafb.net/paste/results/Y8RdGU78.html this is the error crontab returns |
| 18:56.17 | jess0r | I have a subversion repository. Now I've created some new files, but svn commit don't want to add these files into repos. what else do I need to do? |
| 18:56.33 | Eulex | jess0r, svn add foo |
| 18:56.38 | MauL^ | abrotman: I pasted in flood |
| 18:56.51 | Eulex | jess0r, then commit |
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| 18:57.13 | jess0r | Eulex: is there something for recursive? cause I have a lot of new files which I do not even know (uploaded by users) |
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| 18:57.41 | Eulex | jess0r, you could write a small script for that. |
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| 18:58.33 | Stevie | jess0r: svn add foodir |
| 18:59.04 | _matej | does anybody have kopete 0.12beta* package for sid? on http://kopete.kde.org/release.php they have only etch and that doesn't work on sid. |
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| 18:59.41 | jess0r | Stevie: Eulex: would this work? for i in `find .`;do svn add $i;done |
| 18:59.58 | wols | _matej: tried to build it yourself with apt-get source? |
| 19:00.14 | Eulex | jess0r, the problem is that that would include the .svn dirs and their contents. you don't want that |
| 19:00.20 | _matej | no source packages either |
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| 19:01.01 | jess0r | Eulex: svn seems to know that: .svn/whatever is a working copy |
| 19:01.12 | Eulex | jess0r, heh, ok |
| 19:01.27 | \amethyst | jess0r: do any filenames have spaces? |
| 19:01.50 | jess0r | \amethyst: "very" good hint =) |
| 19:02.01 | jess0r | hopefully not |
| 19:02.13 | Stevie | find -print0 | xargs -0 svn add |
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| 19:02.30 | _matej | you want find . -print | while read $name ; do svn add $name ; done |
| 19:02.44 | Stevie | what's wrong with find -print0 | xargs -0 svn add ? |
| 19:02.47 | \amethyst | _matej: print0 is better |
| 19:02.52 | _matej | which is mostly the same as what Stevie did |
| 19:02.54 | \amethyst | _matej: filenames can contain \n |
| 19:03.11 | _matej | \amethyst: they can, but have you ever met one? |
| 19:03.27 | Stevie | Personally I think anyone who does that should be shot |
| 19:03.29 | \amethyst | _matej: only in my tests |
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| 19:04.16 | \amethyst | Postel's rule and all that... you shouldn't create a filename like that, but your programs should handle them |
| 19:04.17 | jess0r | thnx guys |
| 19:04.23 | jess0r | seems to work |
| 19:04.27 | _matej | back to kopete 0.12 packages -- I can believe that there is no Debian developer having one ... |
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| 19:05.19 | _matej | \amethyst: what would happen with svn add '' ? (i.e., when svn add would get empty parameter) I guess nothing |
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| 19:05.46 | _matej | \amethyst: then instead of Postel's rule I would apply KISS principle :-) |
| 19:05.47 | nayyres | abrotman, i have download unrar it is a source directory, but d'nt have any ./configure etc. etc. what to do now? |
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| 19:05.59 | abrotman | nayyres: why would you do that? |
| 19:06.13 | _matej | nayyres: download debian packages for unrar ;-) |
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| 19:06.20 | abrotman | !info unrar sarge |
| 19:06.23 | dpkg | unrar: (Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version)), section non-free/utils, is optional. Version: 1:3.5.2-0.1 (sarge), Packaged size: 85 kB, Installed size: 216 kB |
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| 19:06.32 | \amethyst | _matej: most likely "no such file or directory", I don't have a convenient svn tree to test it |
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| 19:06.47 | ronove | why dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't ask me which video driver I'd like to use? |
| 19:06.55 | _matej | \amethyst: which means that it would not matter, right? |
| 19:07.37 | Stevie | \amethyst: but the beauty of svn is that you can easily create a tree to test it |
| 19:07.49 | Stevie | anybody can create an svn repos anywhere |
| 19:07.59 | \amethyst | Stevie: what's the command? |
| 19:08.03 | Stevie | svnadmin create myrepos |
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| 19:08.08 | \amethyst | ah |
| 19:08.14 | \amethyst | I was looking at svn help |
| 19:08.25 | Stevie | svn co file:///home/stevie/myrepos myrepos-co |
| 19:08.32 | Stevie | cd myrepos-co |
| 19:08.41 | Stevie | # screw around with svn here |
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| 19:09.34 | Stevie | Incidentally: I submitted a patch that was accepted into subversion :) |
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| 19:10.00 | \amethyst | _matej: ah, it treats "" as "." |
| 19:10.06 | \amethyst | Stevie: thanks |
| 19:10.21 | \amethyst | Stevie: I haven't used SVN much before, only cvs |
| 19:10.22 | Stevie | no problem |
| 19:10.33 | Stevie | I'd used cvs for a bit |
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| 19:10.46 | _matej | \amethyst: hmm, did you say anything about Postel law ;-) this seems to me silly ... :-( |
| 19:10.48 | Stevie | when I first used svn I was like 'this is freaking awesome' |
| 19:10.55 | blakkino | :) |
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| 19:11.09 | blakkino | i have problems with alsa sound, as usual (with debian) |
| 19:11.24 | Stevie | I mostly use windows machines, and I love using svn for my little projects |
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| 19:11.56 | \amethyst | _matej: I can see where it would be useful |
| 19:11.59 | zleap | blakkino check your in the audio group |
| 19:12.07 | Stevie | svn works fabulously under Win, unless you do certain crazy things like have two files of the same name with different case (e.g. Readme and README) |
| 19:12.09 | blakkino | i'm in the audio group |
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| 19:12.18 | \amethyst | Stevie: I'm probably learning arch SVK and a few others this weekend |
| 19:12.20 | blakkino | alsamixer as root works |
| 19:12.22 | jetx | hey when you're compiling something, in this case a kernel, wtf does 'variable may be used uninitialized' mean |
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| 19:12.37 | Stevie | in the kernel? there are lots of those warnings |
| 19:12.41 | _edwin_ | hi, ppl, I get: "WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed!" when I try to install eclipse-cdt |
| 19:12.41 | zleap | i was but I had to fiddle with that part of the group membership when one account decided to act up |
| 19:12.41 | _edwin_ | I did install the apt-key that "/msg dpkg 2006 key" told me |
| 19:12.43 | blakkino | but there is no /dev/dsp or other classical devices.. (but there is /dev/snd/ ..) |
| 19:12.49 | _edwin_ | I also have debian-archive-keyring installed, anything else I need? |
| 19:12.55 | jetx | what does the úninitialized'part mean though |
| 19:12.56 | _edwin_ | (I use sid on amd64) |
| 19:13.25 | Stevie | jetx: means the variable was (probably) used before given a value |
| 19:13.25 | \amethyst | jetx: either that there's a bug, the compiler is confused, or someone is doing something tricky and the compiler is really confused |
| 19:13.39 | jetx | ah |
| 19:13.40 | Stevie | in the kernel it's usually the last one |
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| 19:13.47 | \amethyst | jetx: Means there's something like int i; if(i==0) { foo } |
| 19:13.51 | toothpick | I need assistance with this: if you use xorg,then build script report xlibs-dev not install, you need to modify the {directory}/debian/control file, change xlibs-dev to libx11-dev |
| 19:13.55 | blakkino | zleap, ? |
| 19:13.59 | \amethyst | Stevie: or the second |
| 19:14.00 | zOap | my isp's fibre cable across the atlantic is fucked... :( so now my line is shitty, besides the sites within europe.. |
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| 19:14.02 | jetx | so probably what Stevie said then maybe, in the kernel's case |
| 19:14.04 | jetx | thanks all |
| 19:14.21 | \amethyst | Stevie: gcc 4 seems a bit touchy with its warnings :) |
| 19:14.25 | rgb2 | hi, when i run m-a prepare i get the message /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.16-1 seems to contain unconfigured kernel source. How do I confugure the header files |
| 19:14.26 | blakkino | lets try alsa-oss |
| 19:14.28 | blakkino | .. |
| 19:14.41 | jetx | !alsa-bork |
| 19:14.41 | dpkg | methinks alsa-bork is modprobe snd-<soundcard-module> ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-seq-oss, and maybe apt-get install gnome-alsamixer or alsamixergui, or apt-get install alsa-base |
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| 19:15.20 | blakkino | jetx, everthings installed |
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| 19:15.26 | blakkino | ah ok |
| 19:15.28 | blakkino | i have found |
| 19:15.53 | Led_Zeppelin | how can you run the postinstall script again? I would like to reconfigure my apt sources |
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| 19:16.08 | jetscreamer | just edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 19:16.24 | Led_Zeppelin | jetscreamer: right but that script has all the apt source listings |
| 19:16.38 | jetscreamer | but run base-config i 'guess' (not sure) |
| 19:16.46 | hid3 | Evening everyone. Let's say I have a heavy traffic from/to a certain host. What takes fewer resources to process a request to/from that host: a route or a firewall rule? |
| 19:16.49 | jetscreamer | !apt-spy |
| 19:16.49 | dpkg | rumour has it, apt-spy is a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' :: apt-get install apt-spy; apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] :: when this finishes it will automatically write to your sources.list so if you have other mirrors there you'll have to "cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak" and fix your sources.list |
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| 19:17.20 | blakkino | Starting Advanced Configuration and Power Interface daemon: acpid: can't open /proc/acpi/event: Device or resource busy |
| 19:17.23 | blakkino | any idea about that? |
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| 19:19.14 | jetscreamer | why do i have #debian-overflow listed in the blue bar at the bottom of irssi |
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| 19:19.44 | ceplma | is there IRC channel for KDE and Debian (still looking for kopete packages ;-))? |
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| 19:19.52 | jetscreamer | #fdebian-kde maybe |
| 19:19.57 | jetscreamer | err |
| 19:20.00 | jetscreamer | #debian-kde maybe |
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| 19:21.41 | signature16 | what is a good ftp client? |
| 19:21.50 | jetscreamer | gftp is ok for gui |
| 19:21.51 | tarzeau | lftp |
| 19:21.54 | ne0futur | lftp gftp |
| 19:21.56 | tarzeau | FTP.app is great |
| 19:21.57 | ne0futur | and kbear |
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| 19:22.30 | ronove | I need help getting direct rendering etc to work with an "Intel Graphics Media accelerator 950" with an "D945G Express" chipset.. Intel has drivers available, but in their readme, they say it's for suse only. On the internet, I can't seem to find any how-to for any distro. is their another solution? |
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| 19:22.53 | jetscreamer | if it's an rpm maybe alien, dunno though |
| 19:22.54 | johnny_ | how can I use the disk partitioner used in the installer |
| 19:23.08 | jetscreamer | try cfdisk instead |
| 19:23.11 | valdyn | johnny_: you cant |
| 19:23.17 | ronove | jetscreamer, I did, but I gave me some errors when installing it |
| 19:23.21 | johnny_ | how come not? |
| 19:23.59 | jetscreamer | ronove: i know nothing but all that's left is maybe build from source |
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| 19:24.01 | johnny_ | well actually that's ok... but: am I limited to 16 partitions under usb? |
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| 19:24.11 | valdyn | johnny_: you are what? |
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| 19:25.03 | ronove | jetscreamer: There is a tarball available, but it's an odd thingy.. I'll try that :) |
| 19:25.04 | tarzeau | !qot0d |
| 19:25.07 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 19:25.07 | dpkg | it has been said that qotd152 is <jair_11> guys a secure and good ftp client for linux? | <jair_11> yes with gui |
| 19:25.07 | johnny_ | my usb hd is seen by the debian... but even if I mknod on /dev/sda16 it claims it can't see it |
| 19:25.09 | valdyn | johnny_: usb has absolutely nothing to do with the number of your partitions |
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| 19:25.31 | johnny_ | so there must be another reason |
| 19:25.33 | jetscreamer | you can have 4 primaries |
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| 19:25.43 | johnny_ | care to help me find it? :) |
| 19:25.44 | Stevie | wait |
| 19:25.46 | Stevie | johnny |
| 19:25.52 | jetscreamer | but if you want extended one primary gets used |
| 19:26.01 | kingmike | Hi. Has anyone succeeded in compiling the sl-modem module from debian unstable ? |
| 19:26.02 | termo | Can anybody tell me the name of a ncurses (or similar) UI for init.d-management? |
| 19:26.03 | valdyn | johnny_: did you actually create 16 partitions? |
| 19:26.04 | ronove | jetscreamer, http://pastebin.com/622018 is what I get when trying to dpkg -i the .deb created by alien |
| 19:26.08 | johnny_ | yep |
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| 19:26.13 | Stevie | johnny... |
| 19:26.17 | jetscreamer | ronove: like i said, i know nothing |
| 19:26.21 | johnny_ | and there will be about 23 more before I'm done |
| 19:26.29 | valdyn | johnny_: which mknod command did you run? |
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| 19:26.36 | johnny_ | mknod :) |
| 19:26.37 | ronove | jetscreamer, well, thanks however :) |
| 19:26.38 | johnny_ | well |
| 19:26.50 | Stevie | johnny |
| 19:26.53 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know which software is best at communicating with a serial port on a linux computer, and may be run in the background as a cron job? |
| 19:26.56 | johnny_ | mknod /dev/sda16 b 8 16 |
| 19:27.01 | Stevie | johnnnnnnnnny |
| 19:27.12 | jetscreamer | ronove: and i'm not quite sure how to start lynx up from cli w/o having to log into another terminal |
| 19:27.22 | johnny_ | whAT? |
| 19:27.35 | Stevie | 8 16 is /dev/sdab |
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| 19:27.40 | termo | kingsley: echo and cat |
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| 19:27.44 | johnny_ | hurry, I'm missing donald trump :P |
| 19:27.44 | Stevie | err |
| 19:27.46 | Stevie | /dev/sdb |
| 19:28.02 | Stevie | you can't have more than 16 partitions on a scsi devices |
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| 19:28.08 | johnny_ | oh, it's specified in hex? |
| 19:28.13 | ceplma | ronove: http://pastebin.com/622022 |
| 19:28.19 | Stevie | no |
| 19:28.22 | Stevie | it's in decimal |
| 19:28.25 | Stevie | but 8 16 is /dev/sdb |
| 19:28.28 | valdyn | Stevie: more than 15 actually |
| 19:28.36 | Stevie | err, yeah |
| 19:28.38 | Stevie | more than 15 |
| 19:28.45 | johnny_ | is that hardware? |
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| 19:28.51 | Stevie | kernel design limitation |
| 19:28.53 | valdyn | ( unless you count the extended partition too.. ) |
| 19:28.54 | johnny_ | or the driver? or what |
| 19:28.55 | ceplma | ronove: at least that's works for me, and I have to be on testing/sid to get it. |
| 19:28.58 | valdyn | jetscreamer: 1-15 |
| 19:29.03 | hedpe | whats a good easy way to create an .ISO out of a movie DVD ? |
| 19:29.04 | johnny_ | so it's not hardware |
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| 19:29.13 | Stevie | there is no combination of numbers that expresses /dev/sda16 |
| 19:29.19 | valdyn | johnny_: you should probably use lvm for that |
| 19:29.20 | johnny_ | hedpe: ask riaa |
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| 19:29.24 | lorenz | !xcdroast |
| 19:29.24 | dpkg | [xcdroast] yet another frontend to cdrecord. |
| 19:29.26 | jetscreamer | !libdvdcss |
| 19:29.26 | dpkg | well, libdvdcss is NOT in debian - those who even utter its name can expect to be shipped to Guantanamo Bay. for filthy patent-free europeans, see /usr/share/doc/libdvdread?/README.Debian or run /usr/share/doc/libdvdread?/examples/install-css.sh, or see <marillat> |
| 19:29.39 | Stevie | johnny_: you mean mpaa |
| 19:29.46 | johnny_ | whatever :P |
| 19:29.47 | jetscreamer | vobcopy is cool |
| 19:29.54 | jetscreamer | dvdbackup, others |
| 19:29.55 | kingsley | termo: Yes, I experimented with cat, but found that it inserted extraneous question marks in the date being read, and kept reporting the same data. Do you happen to know how to configure communication parameters for cat? |
| 19:29.57 | ronove | ceplma: oh.. if you could tell me how you got that far, I could try to do it with my versions of the driver etc.. |
| 19:30.02 | ceplma | ronove: and it is not exactly the same card so consult i810(4x) for more info |
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| 19:30.19 | ceplma | read i810(4x) |
| 19:30.26 | jetscreamer | cah-chiing! (kernel's done) |
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| 19:30.46 | johnny_ | ok, so I'm limited to 1-16 or 0-15... what if I talk to the drive using sata driver instead? |
| 19:31.00 | valdyn | johnny_: use lvm |
| 19:31.05 | johnny_ | not an option |
| 19:31.12 | ceplma | ronove: how good you are with linux generally (beginner, advanced)? |
| 19:31.14 | valdyn | johnny_: why the hell not? |
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| 19:31.21 | Stevie | johnny_: why they fscking hell are you trying to create so many partitions? |
| 19:31.26 | valdyn | johnny_: you're limited to 1-15 then |
| 19:31.35 | ronove | ceplma: somewhere in between :) |
| 19:31.43 | hedpe | johnny_: talk to hard drive yourself... maybe speak to it |
| 19:31.50 | johnny_ | any plans of changing that? |
| 19:31.54 | hedpe | johnny_: i hear if you talk to them it'll do what you want |
| 19:31.54 | ceplma | ronove: have you ever messed up with /etc/X11/ stuff before? |
| 19:32.02 | valdyn | johnny_: there's no reason to change this since there is lvm |
| 19:32.08 | ronove | ceplma: yeps |
| 19:32.10 | johnny_ | hedpe: for TRUE?? waow! |
| 19:32.14 | ceplma | ronove: hold on for a second, I switch to kopete. |
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| 19:32.34 | johnny_ | well I have my reasons |
| 19:32.45 | jetx | hey irssi doesn't have funny quit msg's like bitchx does it? |
| 19:32.47 | hedpe | johnny_: YEAH DUDE KEWL |
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| 19:33.08 | Stevie | sure it does, jetx |
| 19:33.13 | Stevie | just do /quit funny message here |
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| 19:33.27 | _matej | ronove: I am back |
| 19:33.28 | jetx | i did /quit and got: glibc detected: free() invalid pointer: 0x08110438 aborted core dumped |
| 19:33.46 | jetx | and i've never seen a real coredump |
| 19:33.46 | Stevie | that's a funny message |
| 19:33.49 | valdyn | aint that a funny message |
| 19:33.54 | johnny_ | jetx: hmm, something seems wrong there |
| 19:33.54 | Stevie | :) |
| 19:33.58 | jetx | it's my first! |
| 19:34.01 | Stevie | congratulations |
| 19:34.17 | ronove | _matej: ok, now help me to get the drivers :) |
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| 19:34.28 | _matej | ronove: what distribution you have? |
| 19:34.35 | jetx | so it was probably irssi that did it i 'guess'? |
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| 19:34.53 | ronove | _matec: this is #debian, right? ;) |
| 19:35.10 | jetx | no this is #getnoo |
| 19:35.18 | ronove | _matej: debian unstable ;) |
| 19:35.45 | _matej | ronove: then you are all set ... |
| 19:35.47 | _matej | :-) |
| 19:35.49 | johnny_ | so, just to summarize... whether I use sata or usb, the driver will use the scsi subsystem which has the partition limit. yes? |
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| 19:36.00 | _matej | ronove: I mean, you *have* the driver :-) |
| 19:36.09 | _matej | ronove: what kernel? |
| 19:36.18 | valdyn | johnny_: yes |
| 19:36.35 | ronove | _matej: 2.6.15-1-686-smp |
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| 19:38.35 | johnny__ | laptop ran outta juice |
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| 19:39.29 | _matej | ronove: I see, I have forgot that there are people using kernel from distribution ;-) hmm... |
| 19:39.43 | ronove | _matej, I don't think the i810 driver supports a D945Gnt board.. |
| 19:40.04 | johnny__ | let me worry about that |
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| 19:40.46 | _matej | ronove: it supports i810 supports the i810, i810-DC100, i810e, i815, 830M, 845G, 852GM, 855GM, 865G, 915G and 915GM chipsets. do you have any of these? |
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| 19:41.11 | johnny__ | but just to summarize... both sata and usb use the scsi subsystem... right? |
| 19:41.18 | ronove | _matej: nope.. 945G express chipset.. |
| 19:41.25 | johnny__ | as far as kernel driversw |
| 19:41.55 | Eulex | _matej, umh, aint 945 that ubernew chipset that intel duos use? |
| 19:42.15 | _matej | ronove: shoot, you are right, you are out of luck. Does it work with VESA? |
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| 19:42.27 | johnny__ | btw, you having said that about the scsi subsystem, it -did- let me -make- the partition... and the partition is also seen |
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| 19:42.59 | ronove | _matej: I think I'm currently using MESA drivers, not too sure, lemme have a look :) |
| 19:43.01 | johnny__ | where, in /dev/disk/... |
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| 19:43.25 | _matej | ronove: you are right, I was wrong, and you have tough luck ;-) |
| 19:43.35 | _matej | ronove: sorry, to say that :-( |
| 19:44.17 | ronove | _matej: so, no direct rendering etc for me? :( |
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| 19:48.43 | _matej | ronove: I am afraid so. You need to have kernel supporting your card in the kernel (I have no clue) and in X (and there you are out of luck). |
| 19:49.18 | daeos | could someone tell me how to safely turn off the xserver via console without damaging anything? i've already logged out the users of x and am trying to turn xserver off |
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| 19:49.36 | lorenz | how to activate scsi emulation for xcdroast? |
| 19:49.44 | chealer9 | daeos: do you use a display manager? |
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| 19:50.15 | daeos | not sure i follow |
| 19:50.20 | redd4 | no sound for one user, other user ok. Using alsa, sarge. Can not get sound to work for games, movies (theatre trailer clips). I did alsaconf, but when I right click on the volume control and select "open volume control" I get a message saying "Sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found" help please |
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| 19:50.22 | _matej | daeos: what do you mean "w/o damaging anything?" |
| 19:50.22 | daeos | im not doing anything special |
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| 19:50.52 | daeos | as in not crashing x server by closeing it |
| 19:50.59 | _matej | daeos: /etc/init.d/[kgx]dm stop ? |
| 19:51.11 | chealer9 | daeos: either gdm, xdm or kdm. if you have none of those packages installed, you can assume you don't |
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| 19:51.25 | daeos | i have gdm and kdm installed |
| 19:51.26 | daeos | sorry |
| 19:51.34 | daeos | i figured that you ment that but wasn't sure |
| 19:51.36 | _matej | daeos: w/o question mark in the end :-) |
| 19:51.38 | chealer9 | daeos: is either of them running? |
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| 19:53.28 | _matej | daeos: cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
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| 19:54.22 | daeos | ok so that cat command will tell me if anything is active? |
| 19:54.51 | _matej | daeos: no, it will tell you what's your default window manager |
| 19:55.05 | _matej | daeos: s/window/display/ |
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| 19:55.21 | _matej | daeos: what's the result? |
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| 19:55.57 | daeos | im ssh'd in terminal i'll brb |
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| 19:56.09 | redd4 | no sound for one user, other user ok. Using alsa, sarge. Can not get sound to work for games, movies (theatre trailer clips). I did alsaconf, but when I right click on the volume control and select "open volume control" I get a message saying "Sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found" help please |
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| 19:56.43 | daeos | .... lost the command when i exited irssi |
| 19:56.47 | daeos | pls tell me again |
| 19:56.54 | johnny__ | redd4 add oneuser to correct group |
| 19:57.08 | redd4 | johnny: ok |
| 19:57.14 | chealer9 | daeos: cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 19:58.03 | redd4 | johnny: please help to remind me how, ty |
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| 19:58.42 | johnny__ | I have my own problems; check the docs |
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| 19:58.52 | daeos | /usr/bin/gdm |
| 19:58.56 | daeos | thats my default |
| 19:59.13 | \amethyst | redd4: man 7 group, then use vigr to add them to the user_list field |
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| 19:59.36 | \amethyst | redd4: err, man 5 group |
| 19:59.51 | daeos | so how can i kill gdm from terminal? and the login page? |
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| 20:00.01 | \amethyst | daeos: /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 20:00.05 | daeos | thanks |
| 20:00.12 | Johannesen | does any of you use wifi-radar?? |
| 20:00.16 | chealer9 | daeos: you don't have to kill it. just # invoke-rc.d gdm stop |
| 20:00.16 | \amethyst | daeos: from the login page, there should be an "actions" menu |
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| 20:01.09 | daeos | i would do it from the login page but im not locally logged in, and plus , |
| 20:01.14 | daeos | whats strange is... |
| 20:01.18 | daeos | when i am locally logged in |
| 20:01.48 | daeos | the login screen's font is like size 2 |
| 20:01.54 | redd4 | \amethyst: what group name do they need to be in for sound? |
| 20:01.57 | daeos | any chance ya'll might know why? |
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| 20:02.22 | daeos | i have a 42" samsung monitor (plasma tv) set in 1024x768 mode |
| 20:02.30 | Stevie | nice. |
| 20:02.38 | Stevie | wait, not 1280x1024? |
| 20:02.43 | possie | is there a way to list isa devices? |
| 20:02.45 | daeos | not able to support it |
| 20:03.24 | daeos | even when using Windows, windows detects it as default monitor (it doesn't have any clue what it is ) and the max res it has is 1024x768 |
| 20:03.30 | \amethyst | redd4: audio, most likely |
| 20:03.35 | redd4 | ty |
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| 20:05.15 | sergio_ | Boa tarde, alguem do Brasil? |
| 20:05.16 | daeos | \amethyst: do you know how to change the login screen font size |
| 20:05.34 | chealer9 | !tell sergio_ about br |
| 20:06.21 | sergio_ | tank you |
| 20:07.33 | daeos | or anyone know? |
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| 20:09.22 | \amethyst | daeos: not sure, maybe it's in the gnome control panel |
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| 20:09.30 | abrotman | gdmconfig ? |
| 20:09.32 | \amethyst | daeos: I don't see anything in gdm.conf |
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| 20:10.04 | daeos | ok gdm isn't running anymore, in fact it told me it wasn't running. So how do i shutdown xs ? |
| 20:10.07 | daeos | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:11.06 | timo | daeos, exit your window manager. or hit ctrl+alt+backspace to zap X |
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| 20:11.51 | daeos | from terminal |
| 20:11.53 | ronove | timo: he's not locally logged on.. |
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| 20:12.23 | timo | ah, didn't scroll back far enough |
| 20:13.00 | ronove | ^^ |
| 20:13.01 | \amethyst | daeos: killall -HUP X |
| 20:13.09 | sergio_ | helo |
| 20:13.09 | Stevie | 250 Stevie |
| 20:13.29 | daeos | hang up on x ok |
| 20:13.37 | daeos | i remember seeing that command before |
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| 20:14.25 | daeos | then when i get home i'll run startx from command line right? |
| 20:14.27 | idP | hi |
| 20:14.47 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 20:14.47 | idP | how can I stop the kde autosorting of icons, and keep my own sorting in place ? |
| 20:14.47 | dpkg | hmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 20:14.54 | tarzeau | #debian-kde |
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| 20:15.07 | fat | hi, 'kacpid' freaked out on me the other day. it ate 99% cpu for 45 minutes till i had to switch the power off, the system was completely locked up. anyone have an idea what might be the problem? |
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| 20:16.00 | timo | daeos, you'll probably want to restart gdm, so "invoke-rc.d gdm start" |
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| 20:16.19 | daeos | invoke-rc.d wasn't found when i tried it |
| 20:16.33 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 20:16.40 | daeos | but /etc/init.d/gdm did |
| 20:16.43 | chealer9 | daeos: "#" means "as root" |
| 20:17.06 | daeos | alrighty thanks |
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| 20:19.34 | nayyres | i want to make some linux based CBTs, what program should i install, so that i can record all my work as in video lectures people do? |
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| 20:20.41 | daeos | killall -HUP X didn't kill anything |
| 20:20.51 | Blissex | nayyres: there is a wide choice... Depends on what video tech you use. At the most basic a webcam and a webcam capture program will do. |
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| 20:21.08 | abrotman | it probably won't |
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| 20:21.16 | daeos | .... |
| 20:21.24 | daeos | then how else might i kill X server? |
| 20:21.24 | abrotman | !cbt |
| 20:21.27 | abrotman | wtf is a cbt |
| 20:21.31 | abrotman | daeos: is X even running? |
| 20:21.37 | daeos | yes |
| 20:21.42 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 20:21.43 | nayyres | Blissex, no, i want to record the work i am doing on linux box? not through webcam. |
| 20:21.50 | korozja | ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 20:21.55 | daeos | .... |
| 20:22.04 | gentoo-one | killall X |
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| 20:22.38 | jarek | hello |
| 20:22.45 | Blissex | nayyres: well, there are several ways, but depends again; you can record the X protocol at one extreme, at another use a continuous snapshot program, not that I know of any. |
| 20:22.46 | daeos | as i was saying before, i am remotly logged into my linux machine , i can not logout via the login screen, nor can i shutdown x via tha screen |
| 20:22.59 | jarek | who speak polish? |
| 20:23.10 | nayyres | abrotman, do you remember any name? |
| 20:23.19 | abrotman | nayyres: wtf is cbt ? |
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| 20:23.37 | Ronin | computer based training? |
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| 20:24.02 | Ronin | !pl |
| 20:24.02 | dpkg | from memory, pl is sometimes referred to as "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl |
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| 20:24.36 | abrotman | !info istanbul srge |
| 20:24.38 | abrotman | !info istanbul sarge |
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| 20:24.45 | abrotman | !info istanbul etch |
| 20:24.50 | dpkg | istanbul: (Desktop session recorder), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.1.1-3 (etch), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 144 kB |
| 20:24.50 | Zoup | hey! |
| 20:24.52 | daeos | lemme try killall x |
| 20:24.54 | daeos | brb |
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| 20:24.55 | nayyres | abrotman, i want CBT Nuggets: type of linux recording, where person voice is recorded in background and all that tutor work is saved a movi? |
| 20:25.13 | abrotman | apt-cache search record desktop showed istanbul |
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| 20:25.39 | daeos | didn't work |
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| 20:26.00 | Nakko | Hello! I have a keyboard problem: I cannot type the tilde character while in XWindows! |
| 20:26.14 | chealer9 | !xwindows |
| 20:26.15 | dpkg | somebody said xwindows was NOT the name of it. It's simply called X, X11, The X Window System, X11R6, etc. Do a "man X" for more. < Zxcvb> X + KDE/Gnome + Codeweavers Wine == X-windows, or ask me about x windows trap |
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| 20:26.36 | nayyres | abrotman, any idea? |
| 20:26.45 | Nakko | Ohhh kay. While in X11, I cannot type the tilde. |
| 20:26.47 | abrotman | !info istanbul etch |
| 20:26.50 | dpkg | istanbul: (Desktop session recorder), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.1.1-3 (etch), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 144 kB |
| 20:26.51 | abrotman | nayyres: ^^ |
| 20:26.57 | Nakko | I am using a 104-key PS/2 keyboard, and pressing Shift+` gives me a `. |
| 20:27.05 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 20:27.06 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
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| 20:27.40 | abrotman | Nakko: is your capslock on by chance? |
| 20:27.48 | Zoup | this dpkg is autoreply , isnt it ? |
| 20:27.59 | Nakko | No, it is not. |
| 20:28.11 | Zoup | so he types damn too fast |
| 20:28.16 | Nakko | And I have already tried dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 20:28.28 | Nakko | I can type tildes properly on a tty console, just not in X. |
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| 20:29.14 | abrotman | console-data wonlt help you in X .. read the rest of that |
| 20:29.37 | Zoup | what is your XkbLayout nakko ? |
| 20:30.12 | daeos | abrotman: any other suggestions? trying to shutdown x since 96% of my ram is in use |
| 20:30.20 | daeos | normally due to X running |
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| 20:30.29 | abrotman | daeos: ffs .. how did you start it ? |
| 20:31.22 | daeos | x autostarts on boot |
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| 20:32.03 | abrotman | using gdm or kdm or xdm or what? |
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| 20:33.07 | Nakko | Well, that was interesting. Sorry about that. |
| 20:33.14 | SonnyBurnett | hi I'm using lvm2 (I think), I'm running out of space on /home.... I need to shrink /usr and expand /home, how can I do that? |
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| 20:34.17 | daeos | gdm |
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| 20:34.31 | daeos | abortman: gdm, but its turned off, but i swear X is turned on |
| 20:34.33 | abrotman | daeos: /etc/init.d/gdm stop .. should stop X |
| 20:34.39 | abrotman | assuming gdm started it |
| 20:34.50 | Nakko | I can't type the tilde character in X, typing at a tty works fine, I have already tried dpkg-reconfigure console-data, annnnd `xmodmap -pke` returns: keycode 49 = grave asciitilde |
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| 20:35.02 | novata | anyone gets wifi - wpa with ipw2200 here? |
| 20:35.09 | wols | !anyone |
| 20:35.09 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 20:35.19 | daeos | abrotman: when i do that, it get a message that says its not running |
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| 20:35.49 | wols | daeos: kill -9 X HTH HAND |
| 20:35.57 | abrotman | daeos: ps aux | grep X |
| 20:36.25 | war92 | Can anyone help me with an EXT2FS problem? It says I have 56GB used and 3.3GB available, but du -sh /* does not show anything over 2GB, when you add up du -sh /* , there is only about 4-5GB used, where has all my extra space gone to? http://rafb.net/paste/results/KyDL4r92.html |
| 20:36.37 | abrotman | 5% is reserved for root |
| 20:36.42 | Nakko | Anyone have any idea why I have one single character I cannot type for some reason? |
| 20:36.47 | daeos | all it found was me searching for x lol |
| 20:36.53 | daeos | so i guess its not running |
| 20:36.58 | abrotman | guess not |
| 20:37.03 | abrotman | did you use X or x? |
| 20:37.06 | daeos | X |
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| 20:37.33 | zinx | war92: are you doing it as root? |
| 20:37.40 | war92 | zinx: yup |
| 20:37.51 | wols | daeos: you know that linux ALWAYS uses the full RAM? there nevre is any RAM "free"? |
| 20:37.52 | zinx | war92: also, you can do du -sh / without the * and not have to add stuff up.... |
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| 20:38.03 | robersonfox | hi |
| 20:38.11 | novata | Mi wifi card is detected but cant connnect using wpa. i have done all i have read before about ipw2200. Here is all informatio you should need if you wanna help me:http://pastebin.com/622092 |
| 20:38.24 | daeos | wols: that is a good thing to know.... only have 384 MB and 96% is used |
| 20:38.29 | daeos | is that normal? |
| 20:38.29 | war92 | zinx: I recall reading some degug2fs commands back in the day, could they be of any use to me? |
| 20:38.32 | abrotman | novata: did you ask #ipw2200 ? |
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| 20:38.43 | wols | daeos: yes. anything that's not currently needed by programs is always cache. always |
| 20:38.45 | zinx | daeos: completely, if you're not subtracting the buffers/cache that are freed on demand when needed |
| 20:38.47 | wols | no matter how much ram you have |
| 20:38.47 | war92 | daeos: |
| 20:38.48 | war92 | free | grep '+' | awk '{print $4/1024" MB FREE"}' |
| 20:38.53 | war92 | daeos: type that |
| 20:39.03 | novata | abrotman, my problem is wpa i think. |
| 20:39.12 | zinx | war92: probably not |
| 20:39.27 | abrotman | !wpa |
| 20:39.27 | zinx | war92: fsck might detect the problem though, but i suspect you have a big file somewhere |
| 20:39.52 | abrotman | sync the filesystem .. |
| 20:40.00 | daeos | lol 213.793 free |
| 20:40.01 | daeos | i see |
| 20:40.02 | abrotman | it's probably an FS error |
| 20:40.04 | novata | abrotman, no one in #ipw2200 |
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| 20:40.19 | abrotman | try #ipw2100 .. i thought it was 2200 .. must be 2100 |
| 20:40.27 | modulus | the debian testing installer doesn't get sound working. is this a bug of a feature? |
| 20:40.36 | abrotman | not every one wants sound |
| 20:40.40 | daeos | so buffers/cache is actually just temp used and freed on demand ?nice |
| 20:40.53 | novata | abrotman, you cant help me? |
| 20:41.03 | abrotman | novata: i don't even know what wpa is :) |
| 20:41.14 | modulus | so, is there a quick way to get sound working? |
| 20:41.19 | streuner | !wpa |
| 20:41.22 | abrotman | !alsa one-liner |
| 20:41.22 | dpkg | alsa one-liner is probably apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf, or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels |
| 20:41.26 | abrotman | !alsa-checklist |
| 20:41.26 | streuner | !listkeys wpa |
| 20:41.26 | dpkg | from memory, alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf 2) add your user to the audio group 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 20:41.27 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'wpa' by key returned no results. |
| 20:41.46 | modulus | danke schön. |
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| 20:42.33 | novata | abrotman, key password: wep or wpa |
| 20:42.41 | abrotman | i know what wep is |
| 20:42.47 | fnoodd | did transgaming stop providing the source for winex? where to get it? |
| 20:43.08 | abrotman | ask #winehq or #cedega |
| 20:43.14 | abrotman | it's not related to debian |
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| 20:44.06 | modulus | also the testing installer seems to not fit right on the screen (laptop with a SiS630/730) |
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| 20:44.18 | daeos | IMHO .... wep is useless unless you are doing really doing things on a LAN/WAN that requires security, online banking, database management..... otherwise I just use MAC filtering |
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| 20:44.57 | lpb-oberon | uff MAC is quite easy to fake |
| 20:45.11 | modulus | and wep quite easy to break |
| 20:45.16 | SonnyBurnett | Hi, what do you use to expand LVM partitions? is there any GUI? |
| 20:45.22 | lpb-oberon | :) |
| 20:45.22 | abrotman | daeos: and have someone within range with a sniffer? |
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| 20:45.56 | lpb-oberon | so wepattack and john are your friends.)? |
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| 20:46.40 | daeos | abrotman: honestly... if you think someone is gonna sit at home setup a packet sniffer to get free internet then they must be bored. I just setup mac filtering and watch my logs. |
| 20:46.53 | chrisk | Hi, today I upgraded my kernel to 2.6.16. I first needed to fix the kernel to build the iptables module again. Now it's loaded, but my firewall is failing to start up. |
| 20:47.13 | weasel00 | do i need install a ppoe pkg of some kind to use login/pwd on a cable modem? |
| 20:47.20 | abrotman | daeos: spend more time in #debian .. you'll see lots of bored people |
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| 20:47.27 | abrotman | !find pppoe sarge |
| 20:47.28 | modulus | hmm, tomorrow i shall keep on this, now i'm too tired to screw with confing |
| 20:47.29 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'pppoe' (2): pppoe ;; pppoeconf. |
| 20:47.30 | daeos | wease100: cable doesn't use PPOE |
| 20:47.33 | daeos | PPPOE* |
| 20:47.36 | lpb-oberon | well a fiends who just recently moved got a connections this way:) |
| 20:47.41 | chrisk | I can create new chains with "/sbin/iptables -N local_in", but when I then try to run i.e. " /sbin/iptables -A local_in -p all -m state --state NEW -i lo -j ACCEPT", I get "No chain/target/match by that name". Anyone, an idea? |
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| 20:48.14 | weasel00 | daeos : hmm... |
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| 20:48.19 | daeos | wease100: should be DHCP like to a router, no need for PPPOE |
| 20:48.25 | lpb-oberon | well in 2 weeks or so he'll have adsl again:) |
| 20:48.35 | abrotman | daeos: some cable does |
| 20:48.56 | daeos | abrotman: prehaps overseas but not in the US |
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| 20:49.14 | weasel00 | lpb-oberon : i have both currently.. trying to setup a deb firewall gateway on comcast cable and then drop the sbc |
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| 20:49.34 | daeos | such as 'dn4' there, he has TWC Cable in San Antonio.... (i can tell by his ip) TWC doesn't use PPPOE |
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| 20:50.13 | abrotman | daeos: are you 100% sure of that? |
| 20:50.23 | abrotman | daeos: you've used all the cable internet providers in the states? |
| 20:50.36 | daeos | abrotman: i work for a cable company, TWC :) |
| 20:50.51 | daeos | abrotman: and yes, none of the USA companies use it |
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| 20:50.57 | daeos | cable that is |
| 20:50.57 | abrotman | daeos: right .. the ones i've seen don't .. but i'm not going to say that none of the cable companies here use it |
| 20:51.08 | abrotman | daeos: iirc .. this is also his business account .. |
| 20:51.15 | daeos | only DSL |
| 20:51.24 | cmatheson | hey guys, looking for a way to manipulate pdf's... I need to shrink a full-page pdf into a half-page... are there any utilities to do this kind of thing? |
| 20:51.34 | abrotman | daeos: i've not used them all .. i won't say none use pppoe |
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| 20:51.50 | lpb-oberon | cmatheson: apt-cache search pdf | less |
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| 20:52.44 | daeos | i've also worked for Earthlink.... i've had contact with all the phone companies and they all use PPPoE for DSL connections |
| 20:52.53 | abrotman | ours didn't |
| 20:52.54 | lpb-oberon | try pdftk |
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| 20:53.13 | daeos | what company |
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| 20:53.23 | abrotman | uhm ... shit .. it was like three years ago |
| 20:53.28 | daeos | lol |
| 20:53.29 | abrotman | not XO .. |
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| 20:53.46 | abrotman | covad? .. maybe .. or algx ? |
| 20:53.48 | abrotman | i can't remember |
| 20:53.50 | abrotman | it was a long time ago |
| 20:53.53 | Rouke__ | oi |
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| 20:54.00 | chrisk | Okay, bye! |
| 20:54.28 | daeos | well... i've worked with Covad, MCI, BellSouth, SBC(now AT&T), Verizon (East&West) |
| 20:54.33 | daeos | all use PPPoE |
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| 20:55.04 | weasel00 | sshd defaults to all interfaces correct? |
| 20:55.19 | Canna | Is there anywhere I can see a list of compatable IEEE1394 PCI cards |
| 20:55.25 | Canna | with debian of course |
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| 20:55.38 | wols | Canna: it's the same list as the normal linux kernel |
| 20:55.49 | roler | the llaptop I just ordered, a dell inspiron e1705 has a pci express x 16 slot in it... Can you get video cards for these just anywhere or is it propriatary to dell? I am wondering so I can get a nvidia card for debian |
| 20:55.56 | Canna | ohh ok thanks, ill try google again |
| 20:55.58 | lpb-oberon | next month ill get adsl2+ *smile* |
| 20:56.04 | wols | roler: anywhere |
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| 20:56.23 | wols | tho, you said "laptop"... |
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| 20:56.47 | wols | I doubt you can change videocards in a laptop... even when they are that weird PCI_E "standard" |
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| 20:56.56 | daeos | but if a cable company uses PPPoE .... i feel sorry for the user, since PPPoE won't give you a semi-static ip |
| 20:57.16 | daeos | didn't know laptops could be upgraded witha standard pci-x card |
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| 20:57.41 | wols | they can't. I think nvidia tried to introduce a semi-standard "mini PCI-E card |
| 20:57.48 | lpb-oberon | daeos: some people might be happy about that daeos:) |
| 20:57.48 | wols | dunno if any ODMs took that up tho |
| 20:57.59 | roler | no |
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| 20:58.43 | wols | roler: that videocard is probably logically connected with a PCI-E 16x bus, but I doubt there is a PCI-E slot anywhere inside that laptotp |
| 20:58.50 | daeos | i would be happy, but man those cards are expensive! |
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| 21:00.02 | lpb-oberon | daeos: what is a semi-static ip? i know static and dynamic ... |
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| 21:00.24 | ZaxX | Anyone knows where I can find Unrealircd for Sarge, please? |
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| 21:00.39 | wols | an IP that is not guaratneed static but only changes once in a blue moon when the user purposely changes his MAC or lets his lease expire |
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| 21:01.15 | valdyn | daeos: you're plain wrong, having a static ip or not has nothing to do with pppoe being used or not |
| 21:01.23 | Kazama_Kazuki | http://www.monstersgame.com.pt/?ac=vid&vid=19018356 THIS IS NICE! |
| 21:01.25 | lpb-oberon | thx wols :) |
| 21:01.39 | daeos | lpb-oberon: since we don't use PPPoE here at TWC, i've had my IP since last march. And im on a Residential Account, while not paying for a static |
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| 21:02.11 | daeos | valdyn: what i am saying is with cable or any other service like DSL, PPPoE negotiates a 1 time connection with an IP given to you. if you disconnect, you lose that IP |
| 21:02.39 | wols | valdyn: in practice it works out that way tho |
| 21:02.40 | Kazama_Kazuki | http://www.monstersgame.com.pt/?ac=vid&vid=19018356 |
| 21:02.40 | daeos | with my connection , not useing PPPoE, i've had my same IP during this whole year |
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| 21:03.05 | Kazama_Kazuki | http://www.monstersgame.com.pt/?ac=vid&vid=19018356 LOOOL wtf? |
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| 21:03.50 | valdyn | wols: its entirely up to your ISPs custom configuration |
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| 21:04.29 | daeos | valdyn: true, but man do i love my dynamic IP that never changes |
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| 21:05.17 | jetscreamer | wooweee somebody had fun with 2.6.16 |
| 21:05.52 | jetscreamer | s/woo/hoo/ |
| 21:06.46 | lpb-oberon | no problem with it here |
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| 21:07.58 | jetscreamer | weird |
| 21:08.07 | jetscreamer | stock? |
| 21:08.13 | curt | I have pppoe and static... |
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| 21:09.10 | Hessophanes | jetscreamer: Self-compiled .16 here... no problems. |
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| 21:09.38 | Red_Cloud | On my system where might I find a log of the boot process? |
| 21:10.05 | wols | !bootlog |
| 21:10.06 | dpkg | /etc/default/bootlogd now defaults to "no". Edit that to get your /var/log/boot file back. For more info, see bugs.debian.org/213028, or not a command (opposed to dmesg) |
| 21:10.06 | curt | dmesg |
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| 21:10.30 | wols | also dmesg and syslog of course |
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| 21:10.39 | wols | dmesg being in kern.log |
| 21:11.06 | Red_Cloud | wols and curt, thanks |
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| 21:14.14 | modulus | hmm, how do you change the official debian lang? or however you'd call it? |
| 21:14.34 | daeos | curt: i am talking about dynamic with PPPoE or dynamic without it |
| 21:14.55 | weasel00 | !wifi |
| 21:14.55 | dpkg | from memory, wifi is a silly name for 802.11b wireless networking. |
| 21:14.58 | abrotman | modulus: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 21:14.59 | weasel00 | hmmm |
| 21:15.10 | curt | !tell modulus -about locales |
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| 21:15.18 | curt | oo too slow |
| 21:15.24 | modulus | lots of thanks |
| 21:15.53 | pingouin | modulus: you can also use the language-env package |
| 21:16.06 | modulus | hmm |
| 21:16.07 | curt | daeos, I understand .. just because it doesn't change for a long time doesn't mean it's assigned and truely static. |
| 21:16.34 | Red_Cloud | I am still having problems with my scanner being recognized by quiteinsane and xsane. My permissions are correct. I can use my scanner with line command. Suggestions? |
| 21:16.39 | lpb-oberon | well he said semi-static ... |
| 21:17.12 | embrik | podcast. What programme should I install? Do I need to install a programme at all when I have Firefox? |
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| 21:19.18 | oskie | is aes256 a good choice when symmetrically encrypting a file? |
| 21:19.58 | Xenguy | jbroome: AFAIK, yes |
| 21:20.06 | Fraze | Help. I'm using sarge, and i'm trying to install java-package ver 0.25. Currently I have 0.24 , but when i do apt-get install java-package -t testing (which is 0.25) i get that the package is allready in the newest version... what can I do? |
| 21:20.11 | Xenguy | jbroome: sorry |
| 21:20.28 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 21:20.28 | dpkg | * Guerin/#debian goes to pick his wife up from kindy |
| 21:20.43 | zinx | oskie: it's good enough to be called AES :D |
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| 21:21.37 | wols | where is guerin anyways? |
| 21:21.48 | tarzeau | !seen guerin |
| 21:21.49 | dpkg | guerin <n=lewis@65.99.196.149> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 19d 16h 49m 45s ago, saying: 'Kyral: mbody cares about your personal hygiene'. |
| 21:21.51 | Fraze | any ideas? |
| 21:22.15 | chealer9 | Fraze: 0.25 isn't in testing |
| 21:22.20 | johnny__ | Fraze: maybe 0.25 depends on other testing packages... but... you could try getting the .deb file dirctly and using dpkg (man dpkg for details) to install |
| 21:22.26 | wols | killed by eco terrorist who don't want us to shower each day? |
| 21:23.33 | abrotman | wols: tarzeau: travelling from .kr to .uk |
| 21:23.42 | Fraze | johnny__: Well, i've allready downloaded about 100 MB.. no anyway I can make this bin file work in debian? |
| 21:24.01 | johnny__ | bin file? |
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| 21:24.19 | tarzeau | abrotman: you're where now? |
| 21:24.24 | Fraze | johnny__: yes, i've downloaded it from java.sun.com |
| 21:24.24 | wols | traveling how? by sailboat? |
| 21:24.28 | abrotman | tarzeau: same place i've been |
| 21:24.31 | wols | not even QM2 would take 19 days |
| 21:24.40 | abrotman | wols: planes, trains, and automobiles :) |
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| 21:24.54 | johnny__ | ok, and .24 doesn't support it but .25 does? |
| 21:25.03 | abrotman | there's his blog |
| 21:25.07 | wols | must be damn slow automobiles and probably a train from the 18th century... |
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| 21:25.53 | abrotman | wols: yeah .. |
| 21:25.56 | Fraze | johnny__: That what came from my googeling.. |
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| 21:26.18 | Fraze | johnny__: it says there's a bug, and it somethimes happends |
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| 21:28.31 | johnny__ | I'll have to ignore that last part, there's no information to deal with in it... but find the .25 version and try to install it |
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| 21:29.12 | Fraze | johnny__: How?.. I have no idea how to find it.. |
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| 21:29.35 | johnny__ | packages.debian.org |
| 21:29.49 | johnny__ | start there |
| 21:29.55 | curz0r | can anyone tell me how to break up a .deb with ALL the files (including the control scripts) and then put it back together? |
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| 21:30.16 | curz0r | one of the packages I need to install on my laptop is busted (from the ubuntu dist for dapper) |
| 21:30.22 | curz0r | I need to fix it. |
| 21:30.23 | abrotman | !mg |
| 21:30.23 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or maint-guide.en.html in sarge/sid). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or the shorthand for Madagascar |
| 21:30.31 | *** part/#debian curt (n=curt@pdpc/supporter/active/curt) |
| 21:30.31 | abrotman | !source |
| 21:30.31 | dpkg | rumour has it, source is To work with Debian source packages, cd to a location with free space and run the following: apt-get install build-essential fakeroot && apt-get source <packagename> && apt-get build-dep <packagename>. Then cd into source directory and run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot to build debs from source. |
| 21:30.33 | johnny__ | a .deb is a .ar containing two tarballs and a text file |
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| 21:30.53 | cbr | whats the difference of a .ar and .tar? |
| 21:30.55 | curz0r | johnny__: thanks! how do I break apart the '.ar' ? |
| 21:31.04 | abrotman | ar x |
| 21:31.04 | johnny__ | guess :) |
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| 21:31.07 | Fraze | johnny__: well.. it isn't there.. only 0.24 |
| 21:31.13 | curz0r | I don't have ar installed on the lappt |
| 21:31.16 | curz0r | *lappy |
| 21:31.23 | curz0r | and I tried to do apt-get install ar |
| 21:31.30 | curz0r | is it located in another package? :( |
| 21:31.35 | curz0r | sorry for the simple questions |
| 21:31.43 | johnny__ | !find ar |
| 21:31.44 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'ar' (15 of 888): alacarte ;; alsa-firmware-loaders ;; amarok ;; amarok-arts ;; amarok-engines ;; amarok-gstreamer ;; amarok-xine ;; anarchism ;; ara ;; ara-byte ;; arabtex ;; araneida ;; aranym ;; arb ;; arb-common. |
| 21:31.46 | curz0r | thanks |
| 21:31.55 | abrotman | !find bin/ar$ sarge |
| 21:32.06 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/ar' (6 of 7): (/usr/avr/bin/ar) in devel/binutils-avr ;; (/usr/m68hc11/bin/ar) in devel/binutils-m68hc1x ;; (/usr/arm-palmos/bin/ar) in otherosfs/prc-tools-arm ;; (/usr/m68k-palmos/bin/ar) in otherosfs/prc-tools-m68k ;; (/usr/i586-mingw32msvc/bin/ar) in devel/mingw32-binutils ;; (/usr/bin/ar) in devel/binutils,devel/binutils-multiarch. |
| 21:32.16 | Fraze | johnny__: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=313555 |
| 21:32.17 | abrotman | uh .. should be in binutils |
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| 21:32.33 | curz0r | thanks!! |
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| 21:32.48 | Thanatermesis | any person knows this problem ? http://thana.no-ip.org/tmp/tmp/fuckingterminals.avi |
| 21:32.55 | curz0r | huh. |
| 21:32.56 | Thanatermesis | (terminals sucking) |
| 21:33.04 | tziku | help i'm stuck :( The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 21:33.04 | tziku | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:33.05 | tziku | E: Broken packages |
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| 21:34.07 | johnny__ | yeah, 0.25 is gone |
| 21:34.11 | Fraze | johnny__: Any ideas how to fix it? |
| 21:34.38 | johnny__ | did you try searching for the package? |
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| 21:34.43 | wols | tziku: get a mirror that has apache2 packages in sync |
| 21:35.06 | Fraze | johnny__: yes |
| 21:35.12 | johnny__ | in what dist? |
| 21:35.18 | Fraze | johnny__: didn't find it in packages.java.com .. i'm using sarge |
| 21:35.21 | tziku | the computer isn't connected on internet wols i have all 14 cds... |
| 21:35.38 | johnny__ | what's packages.java.com? |
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| 21:35.57 | johnny__ | actually don't answer that; it's not relevent |
| 21:36.27 | johnny__ | where did I suggest you start? |
| 21:36.36 | daeos | has anyone ever tried to install FreeNX ? |
| 21:36.50 | abrotman | tziku: a computer not attached to the internet with apache .. uhmm ] |
| 21:37.24 | Fraze | johnny__: Sorry, I ment packages.debian |
| 21:37.26 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.27 | Fraze | .comn |
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| 21:37.43 | Fraze | johnny__: I couldn't find it there.. and not even in google |
| 21:37.43 | tziku | yes abrotman :) i have some php-mysql project to do...and i buy a computer install debian and start my computer...is in lan is fast...i work easy.. |
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| 21:37.51 | wols | tziku: then run "apt-cache policy" for apache2-utils and apache2-common |
| 21:37.52 | johnny__ | so, in what dist did you search? |
| 21:38.00 | johnny__ | I'd suggest you try again |
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| 21:38.09 | abrotman | wols: then there should be a proxy for security issues |
| 21:38.18 | johnny__ | and this time look carefully at the pages |
| 21:38.18 | abrotman | !phillysmite rgb2 |
| 21:38.27 | Fraze | johnny__: Oh.. now i found it |
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| 21:38.34 | Fraze | johnny__: But on testing.. but i'm using sarge.. |
| 21:38.37 | Fraze | johnny__: arrg.. |
| 21:38.51 | johnny__ | try getting the .deb |
| 21:38.52 | Fraze | johnny__: How can I download it? |
| 21:38.59 | johnny__ | look at the page |
| 21:39.17 | johnny__ | can ya work a web browser? :) |
| 21:39.52 | Fraze | johnny__: Well, it is a dsc file.. not deb |
| 21:39.56 | Fraze | johnny__: It doens't help me |
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| 21:40.49 | abrotman | tziku: what cds did you burn? |
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| 21:40.56 | abrotman | tziku: apt-cache show <pkg> |
| 21:40.58 | johnny__ | I'm starting to think you cannot work a browser :) |
| 21:41.11 | Fraze | johnny__: :(( |
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| 21:41.35 | johnny__ | can't you see where it says Download java-package |
| 21:41.39 | Fraze | johnny__: Ha |
| 21:41.42 | Fraze | johnny__: wierd |
| 21:41.47 | Fraze | johnny__: where did that came from?! |
| 21:41.54 | Fraze | johnny__: Did you add it to my web browser?! |
| 21:41.58 | johnny__ | from the mind.... |
| 21:42.03 | johnny__ | of minolta! |
| 21:42.15 | tziku | thanks for all abrotman :) i solve the problem i uninstalled all installed (apache php) pkgs and now i reinstalling :) i have to run because computer is in another room :D to insert cd 1-3-14... |
| 21:42.24 | abrotman | uhm ok |
| 21:42.27 | Fraze | johnny__: ?!?!!! |
| 21:42.35 | johnny__ | are you having trouble with the scrollbar?? |
| 21:42.49 | johnny__ | just kidding... sorta... |
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| 21:43.13 | johnny__ | so do you now have the .27 deb? |
| 21:43.15 | Fraze | johnny__: :(( |
| 21:43.19 | Fraze | johnny__: yes |
| 21:43.21 | SonnyBurnett | hi, is it the same to use lvextend or lvresize? |
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| 21:43.42 | johnny__ | dpkg --help |
| 21:43.43 | dpkg | Dpkg: Package Manager for Debian. Synopis: dpkg [options] action |
| 21:44.05 | johnny__ | will tell you what dpkg can do |
| 21:44.15 | johnny__ | find out how to install .debs by reading that |
| 21:44.27 | Fraze | johnny__: well, it doesn't work :( |
| 21:44.44 | Fraze | johnny__: I've installed the java 0.27 |
| 21:44.54 | Fraze | johnny__: that worked.. but the jdk didn't work |
| 21:44.59 | Fraze | johnny__: with same herror |
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| 21:45.24 | johnny__ | now you use make-jpkg to create a .deb |
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| 21:45.54 | Fraze | johnny__: That doesn't work |
| 21:45.59 | daeos | anyone ever installed Free NX ? all i was able to find was .deb packages but not sure how to install it |
| 21:46.02 | Fraze | johnny__: same error.. no plugin was found |
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| 21:46.56 | johnny__ | read /usr/share/doc/java-package/SUPPORTED |
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| 21:47.36 | Stevie | anybody know of a free-or-dirt-cheap webhost that gives access to the apache logs? |
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| 21:48.07 | johnny__ | btw you keep saying "it doesn't work" but that has no specific information |
| 21:48.10 | modulus | freeshell.org |
| 21:48.16 | fosco | hi |
| 21:48.39 | johnny__ | hub.org |
| 21:48.44 | fosco | does someone have an iso of debian woody for m68k ? |
| 21:48.51 | johnny__ | run anything, get root access |
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| 21:49.56 | pipeline | fosco: Mac-68k can boot CD? |
| 21:49.56 | Fraze | johnny__: well, It isn't there |
| 21:50.00 | Fraze | johnny__: What can i do? |
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| 21:50.09 | johnny__ | what isn't where? |
| 21:50.25 | Fraze | johnny__: listed in the file you told me to read |
| 21:50.26 | modulus | night |
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| 21:50.34 | johnny__ | ohh |
| 21:50.35 | fosco | pipeline: the woody installer cam mount a cdrom, and amiboot works ;) |
| 21:50.51 | JaVaSan | how can i convert .wma to .mp3 at debian linux? |
| 21:50.56 | johnny__ | solid_liq: you don't have a jdk which is supported by java-package |
| 21:51.03 | johnny__ | so get one from that list :) |
| 21:51.08 | johnny__ | err |
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| 21:51.15 | johnny__ | not solid_liq |
| 21:51.30 | Fraze | johnny__: oh well |
| 21:51.34 | Fraze | johnny__: thanks.. |
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| 21:51.47 | johnny__ | download one that is on that list |
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| 21:52.37 | johnny__ | if it's on that list, it's supported. if not, it isn't, and you'd have to try unpacking the .bin yourself |
| 21:53.23 | Fraze | johnny__: How can i do that? (unpacking the bin) |
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| 21:53.32 | Fraze | johnny__: (I found a version that is listed now..) |
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| 21:53.39 | johnny__ | I do not have time for that |
| 21:53.57 | Fraze | johnny__: Well, I'll do it.. not you ofcourse |
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| 21:54.54 | Fraze | johnny__: Anyway thanks.. |
| 21:54.57 | johnny__ | ok, so just get that .bin (the filename must -match- one of the entries in SUPPORTED) |
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| 21:55.44 | tziku | I'm trying to install phpbb2 but: The database module for the database you are using, MySQL, is not available. Please (re)install the php4-mysql package or if it's already installed, add extension=mysql.so to the relevant /etc/php/<sapi>/php.ini and restart the webserver if appropriate. |
| 21:56.47 | johnny__ | tziku: so did you do that? |
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| 21:57.18 | daeos | dpkg -i filename.deb that command will install the .deb file in the directory you are in by default unless you specify a path right? |
| 21:57.20 | dpkg | daeos: what are you talking about? |
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| 21:57.32 | jmoschetti45 | is there a way to temporarily force debian to run my intel 86865g graphics card in something better than 648x480? i cant find the drivers |
| 21:57.36 | daeos | 'dpkg -i filename.deb' that command will install the .deb file in the directory you are in by default unless you specify a path right? |
| 21:57.42 | tziku | yes johnny__ but no result...same |
| 21:58.21 | johnny__ | daeos: the .deb knows where its parts go |
| 21:58.23 | tziku | johnny__ phpbb2 database exist...i check manualy . |
| 21:58.57 | daeos | johnny__ will it also know about any dependicies and if they are in the folder i have the installer file in? |
| 21:59.01 | JaVaSan | does anyone know how can i convert wma to mp3 ? |
| 21:59.02 | johnny__ | tziku: try removing php4-mysql package and installing it again |
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| 21:59.21 | Stevie | hey, this freeshell thing is neat |
| 21:59.22 | tziku | johnny__ i do this 30 sec ago. |
| 21:59.23 | johnny__ | daeos: it will know, but not automatically install. |
| 21:59.46 | johnny__ | tziku: did you look at the appropriate file |
| 22:00.03 | tziku | what appropiate file ? |
| 22:00.16 | johnny__ | the one in the message you posted here |
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| 22:00.41 | Neur0ne | hi there |
| 22:00.53 | johnny__ | later gang :) |
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| 22:02.48 | daeos | johnny__: is there a way to install several packages at one time? im trying to install FreeNX and it keeps telling it depends on other files that are not installed and if i try to install them they also depend on the other dependicies |
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| 22:03.00 | tziku | daeos: [01:00:07] * Quits: johnny__ (n=johnny@adsl-64-171-52-227.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) ("[BX] Reserve your copy of BitchX-1.1-final for the Commodore 64 today!") |
| 22:03.22 | daeos | dang it |
| 22:03.28 | daeos | .... |
| 22:03.48 | daeos | does anyone know if there is there a way to install several packages at one time? im trying to install FreeNX and it keeps telling it depends on other files that are not installed and if i try to install them they also depend on the other dependicies |
| 22:03.49 | valdyn | daeos: you tried 'dpkg -i *.deb' ? |
| 22:04.39 | tziku | daeos try: apt-get install FreeNX-common |
| 22:04.55 | daeos | ah |
| 22:04.58 | daeos | i see |
| 22:05.11 | daeos | lol i have all the files straight from the website, didn't think apt had it already |
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| 22:05.54 | daeos | tziku: not in my dependency list |
| 22:06.03 | tziku | oh...sorry :( |
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| 22:06.55 | valdyn | !freenx |
| 22:06.56 | dpkg | rumour has it, freenx is a Free implementation of the nomachine.com caching system for X, RDP and VNC, based on their GPLd libraries. packages for sarge: "deb http://www.linux.lk/~anuradha/nx/ ./" packages for etch/sid: "deb ftp://ftp.ekhis.org/ekhis/ experimental main" |
| 22:07.09 | valdyn | daeos: ^^^ |
| 22:07.37 | Stevie | freenx? |
| 22:07.37 | daeos | hmm |
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| 22:07.48 | Stevie | what is x? |
| 22:07.49 | daeos | i hope i can figure out how to get it installed then LOL |
| 22:07.52 | Stevie | nx |
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| 22:07.56 | daeos | no machine |
| 22:08.10 | daeos | remote x server |
| 22:08.13 | Stevie | wouldn't that be nm |
| 22:08.40 | valdyn | Stevie: _N_omachines _X_something |
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| 22:09.08 | daeos | No Machines w/ X ? |
| 22:09.08 | valdyn | it sure is not an X server, however |
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| 22:09.23 | daeos | suppose to be better than VNC |
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| 22:09.44 | valdyn | ssh -X > that |
| 22:10.05 | garo | How should i update packages that have been kept back when i do a upgrade ? |
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| 22:10.14 | Stevie | ssh -z9 -X |
| 22:10.15 | valdyn | garo: using dist-upgrade |
| 22:10.27 | garo | i did it with dist-upgrade |
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| 22:10.34 | Stevie | or is it ssh -C |
| 22:10.43 | daeos | !freenx |
| 22:10.43 | dpkg | well, freenx is a Free implementation of the nomachine.com caching system for X, RDP and VNC, based on their GPLd libraries. packages for sarge: "deb http://www.linux.lk/~anuradha/nx/ ./" packages for etch/sid: "deb ftp://ftp.ekhis.org/ekhis/ experimental main" |
| 22:11.01 | garo | mysql-client and mysql-server didn't get a update |
| 22:11.54 | valdyn | garo: sid does not guarantee that things work, nor does etch, you might just have to wait |
| 22:11.55 | Stevie | sid mostly guarantees that things won't work |
| 22:11.55 | daeos | so how can i add tht "deb http://www.linux.lk/~anuradha/nx/ ./" to my dependencies? |
| 22:11.55 | Stevie | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:11.55 | valdyn | daeos: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 22:12.40 | DarkWingZE | I got a question about glade |
| 22:13.00 | DarkWingZE | I setup up my dear body o pale window with glade |
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| 22:13.10 | DarkWingZE | following steps from a tutorial |
| 22:13.26 | DarkWingZE | and then when I wanted to d the last step it simply didnt have the file |
| 22:13.31 | *** part/#debian toopi (n=muzik@siedlce8-tp.sdl.vectranet.pl) |
| 22:13.32 | DarkWingZE | ./autogen.sh |
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| 22:13.43 | DarkWingZE | I have glade download |
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| 22:14.04 | DarkWingZE | it said something about gnomelibaries |
| 22:14.12 | daeos | "W: Couldn't stat source package list http://www.linux.lk ./ Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/www.linux.lk_%7eanuradha_nx_._Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)" what does this mean? |
| 22:14.14 | DarkWingZE | arent they suppose to be there? |
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| 22:15.01 | valdyn | daeos: that you need to run 'apt-get update' |
| 22:15.17 | DarkWingZE | what about me wat do I need to do? |
| 22:15.30 | daeos | o |
| 22:15.51 | DarkWingZE | http://www.writelinux.com/glade/ |
| 22:15.55 | DarkWingZE | I followed this tutorial |
| 22:15.58 | JaVaSan | how to use lame for convert wma to mp3 ? |
| 22:16.33 | DarkWingZE | Gnome libaries how do I install these if they arent already installed |
| 22:16.50 | daeos | ...... |
| 22:16.59 | DarkWingZE | The link on the homepage just links onto gnome sites |
| 22:17.13 | valdyn | DarkWingZE: they are already installed |
| 22:17.14 | DarkWingZE | and there you are lost, dont know where to go or stop |
| 22:17.22 | DarkWingZE | apparently not |
| 22:17.34 | valdyn | DarkWingZE: what is in that directory where you cannot see autogen.sh |
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| 22:18.28 | DarkWingZE | sources files |
| 22:18.42 | valdyn | DarkWingZE: .h and .c files? |
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| 22:18.51 | DarkWingZE | yes |
| 22:18.55 | daeos | ... still back to dependencies not installing |
| 22:18.57 | valdyn | DarkWingZE: which ones? |
| 22:19.03 | Tchiak | Is it possible to resize a ext3 partition w/o destroying the data in it? |
| 22:19.04 | DarkWingZE | but the thing is I dont have ./autogen.h |
| 22:19.04 | daeos | even tried -f |
| 22:19.07 | DarkWingZE | but the thing is I dont have ./autogen.sj |
| 22:19.09 | DarkWingZE | but the thing is I dont have ./autogen.sh |
| 22:19.10 | DarkWingZE | sorry |
| 22:19.13 | DarkWingZE | typo |
| 22:19.23 | valdyn | daeos: run apt-get install freenx |
| 22:19.33 | daeos | valdyn: i did and same error |
| 22:19.33 | DarkWingZE | ok |
| 22:19.43 | valdyn | DarkWingZE: WHICH files are there |
| 22:20.03 | valdyn | daeos: my crystal isnt working |
| 22:20.04 | daeos | do you mind if i copy my error? |
| 22:20.08 | DarkWingZE | callbacks, main, interface |
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| 22:20.22 | valdyn | DarkWingZE: cd .. && ls autogen.sh |
| 22:20.40 | daeos | will there be an issue if i copy my error in here? |
| 22:20.48 | valdyn | !paste |
| 22:20.49 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 22:21.12 | DarkWingZE | no such file |
| 22:21.18 | DarkWingZE | or directory |
| 22:21.25 | daeos | ok im in there |
| 22:21.33 | daeos | valdyn: i'll paste in there |
| 22:21.37 | weasel00 | !dhcpd |
| 22:21.43 | valdyn | DarkWingZE: what is there |
| 22:21.52 | DarkWingZE | let me give you a paste |
| 22:21.55 | DarkWingZE | it aint many files |
| 22:22.26 | daeos | ok did it |
| 22:22.33 | valdyn | daeos: run apt-get -f install |
| 22:22.39 | DarkWingZE | alex@debian:~/myprojs/GTK/source$ ls |
| 22:22.40 | DarkWingZE | proj1.glade proj1.glade.bak src |
| 22:22.49 | davi | What aplication to capture images from the webcam ? |
| 22:22.51 | Tchiak | i have a 300gb disk 1/2 is NTFS 1/2 is ext3.. i plan to erase the NTFS partition and resize the ext3 partition to fit the entire disk, however i need to do this w/o destroying the data on the EXT partition |
| 22:22.55 | daeos | same error |
| 22:23.16 | DarkWingZE | alex@debian:~/myprojs/GTK/source/src$ ls |
| 22:23.16 | DarkWingZE | callbacks.c interface.c interface.h main.c support.h |
| 22:23.16 | DarkWingZE | callbacks.h interface.c.bak interface.h.bak support.c |
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| 22:23.22 | DarkWingZE | thats about it |
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| 22:23.57 | valdyn | DarkWingZE: you're not supposed to do anything in that src directory right now |
| 22:24.05 | daeos | valdyn: got same error |
| 22:24.05 | valdyn | DarkWingZE: in glade, hit Ctrl-B |
| 22:24.14 | DarkWingZE | ok |
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| 22:24.41 | wols | Tchiak: use parted/qtparted |
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| 22:24.52 | DarkWingZE | okay? |
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| 22:24.54 | DarkWingZE | and then what? |
| 22:25.08 | valdyn | DarkWingZE: look again into your project directory |
| 22:25.14 | DarkWingZE | ok |
| 22:26.03 | DarkWingZE | its the same |
| 22:26.07 | DarkWingZE | nothing happend |
| 22:26.49 | DarkWingZE | I got it now |
| 22:26.58 | DarkWingZE | man It was the lamest manual on earth |
| 22:27.00 | DarkWingZE | geezzz |
| 22:27.09 | DarkWingZE | Thanks a billion valdyn |
| 22:27.11 | DarkWingZE | :) |
| 22:27.29 | DarkWingZE | this online tutorial said that I should turn of building files |
| 22:27.35 | valdyn | DarkWingZE: its years old and its obviously for glade1 and gtk1 |
| 22:28.08 | DarkWingZE | I thought it felt mighty odd to do such a thing, but I did it and now when I switched the option on I got the autogen.sh files and all the other files |
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| 22:29.24 | DarkWingZE | It was like I was reading this tutorial that the called the icons wat he felt for |
| 22:29.28 | daeos | valdyn: ok all of that worked except now it wants nxproxy to be a certain version..... |
| 22:29.44 | daeos | so i just uninstall nxproxy ? and try to get an updated version? |
| 22:29.48 | DarkWingZE | kinda hard to follow those kind of tutorials |
| 22:30.07 | DarkWingZE | Thanks once again valdyn:) |
| 22:30.25 | valdyn | daeos: you remove that package and only use packages from apt-get and that repository you added to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:30.32 | daeos | ah ok |
| 22:30.35 | DarkWingZE | The reason why I choose GTK1 and glade1 is that I want to be able to have portability |
| 22:30.44 | daeos | valdyn: how do you remove a package? |
| 22:30.51 | valdyn | daeos: apt-get remove |
| 22:30.51 | DarkWingZE | :) |
| 22:31.14 | valdyn | DarkWingZE: i see |
| 22:31.36 | valdyn | DarkWingZE: i'd still think gtk2 is the better solution, but that is just me |
| 22:32.03 | daeos | valdyn: how can i find out what version of a package i have? |
| 22:32.13 | valdyn | daeos: dpkg -l packagename |
| 22:32.29 | valdyn | daeos: or actually 'apt-cache policy packagename' |
| 22:33.15 | daeos | valdyn: .... apt says i need 1.4.0-m2-1 or better, i have 1.4.92+1.5.0-4 .. looks higher to me |
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| 22:33.42 | valdyn | daeos: you need the lower version, so remove the higher version first |
| 22:33.48 | daeos | ok |
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| 22:34.57 | daeos | valdyn: ITS INSTALLING!! |
| 22:35.14 | valdyn | !win daeos |
| 22:35.14 | dpkg | Congratulations, daeos! You have won a one way ticket to Nova Scotia! |
| 22:35.31 | Stevie | lol |
| 22:35.32 | Stevie | !win Stevie |
| 22:35.33 | dpkg | Congratulations, Stevie! You have won the US presidency! |
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| 22:35.38 | Stevie | oh god |
| 22:35.40 | Stevie | NO |
| 22:35.43 | Stevie | I REFUSED |
| 22:35.45 | Stevie | REFUSE |
| 22:35.45 | daeos | HAHA |
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| 22:35.54 | Stevie | i am not cleaning up after W |
| 22:36.02 | zinx | Stevie: you won it! you *HAVE* to accept it! |
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| 22:37.34 | Stevie | That's not true |
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| 22:37.54 | DarkWingZE | there are 3 errors |
| 22:37.57 | daeos | LOL |
| 22:37.59 | Stevie | there was a guy who won a free trip to bermuda. he refused it because it would have cost like $2000 in taxes |
| 22:38.01 | DarkWingZE | running ./autogen.sh |
| 22:38.04 | DarkWingZE | just bites |
| 22:38.06 | foo | My desktop currently has an Athlon XP 1.7ghz chip. My motherboard has a VIA KT266(A)/KT333 chipset. I am looking for a new processor. Do I want a Socket A or Socket 754 processor? Which one is compatible with my board? Hmm. |
| 22:38.07 | zinx | Stevie: hey, bush would have rather been in baseball, but he had to go and win the US presidency |
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| 22:38.26 | daeos | Stevie: how did you throw that back at me? |
| 22:38.39 | Stevie | I am too fast for you |
| 22:38.45 | stoned | how does one force to installa package despite unmet depends? |
| 22:38.51 | dvs | daeos: reverse impeachment |
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| 22:39.01 | daeos | ..... macro or bot |
| 22:39.07 | Mr_Fetus | will anyone here marry me? |
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| 22:39.15 | Stevie | I'm a l33t bot that talks back. |
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| 22:39.30 | Stevie | Mr_Fetus: How do you feel about Yugoslavian hands? |
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| 22:40.14 | Mr_Fetus | Are the Yugoslavian hands feeling me, cause if there not, then I don't care. |
| 22:40.15 | Thanatermesis | im think'in to buy a new graphic card in dual monitor mode... what is a good card supported ? any with REAL gpl drivers ? |
| 22:40.27 | Stevie | Mr_Fetus: If that's how you feel, then I'm sorry, I can't marry you. |
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| 22:41.06 | Mr_Fetus | But, I LOVE your! |
| 22:41.17 | Mr_Fetus | Er....you....I love you........... |
| 22:41.32 | wols | Thanatermesis: matrox |
| 22:42.10 | Mr_Fetus | So, any takers on the marriage thing? |
| 22:42.10 | Thanatermesis | wols but matrox aparently not has really free drivers, yes ? |
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| 22:43.03 | Mr_Fetus | Please? |
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| 22:43.51 | Mr_Fetus | Anyone? |
| 22:43.59 | daeos | im already married |
| 22:44.20 | dvs | !pity daeos |
| 22:44.20 | dpkg | I pity da fool daeos! |
| 22:44.27 | Mr_Fetus | So, we could move to South America....... |
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| 22:44.40 | Mr_Fetus | They would never know. |
| 22:45.15 | Mr_Fetus | As long as you didn't tell....... |
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| 22:45.24 | Mr_Fetus | You wouldn't tell, would you? |
| 22:45.26 | daeos | You are a Mister, as am I, it wouldn't work |
| 22:45.34 | DarkWingZE | so aclocal: configure.in: 12: macro `AM_PATH_GTK' not found in library |
| 22:45.43 | DarkWingZE | what does this mean? |
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| 22:46.09 | Mr_Fetus | But, my parents are going to ship me off to Gueatamala if I don't get married within a week. |
| 22:46.26 | DarkWingZE | It when I am doing ./autogen.sh command to build a glade project |
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| 22:46.49 | illsci | hey whats up |
| 22:47.01 | likeafox | Where can I change the login configuration on my fresh install? I want to log in to the shell, not graphically. |
| 22:47.11 | dvs | !nodm |
| 22:47.11 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 22:47.11 | illsci | i have a question about apache2 on debian... i have in sites-enabled a virtual host and i have it configured for ssl |
| 22:47.20 | Mr_Fetus | illsci: Will you marry me? |
| 22:47.32 | illsci | uhmmm |
| 22:47.36 | illsci | maybe... :) |
| 22:47.44 | settd | ppl do u game some linux games? |
| 22:47.53 | settd | which are best |
| 22:47.58 | illsci | so yeah... in ports.conf I have LIsten on 443 and 80 |
| 22:48.06 | wols | Mr_Fetus: please stop it |
| 22:48.15 | illsci | but when i connect to my site http://www.site.com |
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| 22:48.26 | wols | illsci: enemy territory |
| 22:48.26 | daeos | linux games...hmmmmmmmm |
| 22:48.41 | DarkWingZE | hey |
| 22:48.44 | konfuzed | is acpi a common problem? Should it always be disabled from the bios ? |
| 22:48.49 | DarkWingZE | is there anyone considering my question? |
| 22:48.50 | illsci | it complains about trying to use ssl when to connect to port 80 |
| 22:49.02 | DarkWingZE | AM_PATH_GTK? |
| 22:49.02 | wols | illsci: complain how? |
| 22:49.02 | dvs | konfuzed: acpi works for me |
| 22:49.16 | DarkWingZE | shouldnt it already be setup |
| 22:49.19 | illsci | it says that its an invalid request trying to speak ssl to a non ssl port |
| 22:49.23 | wols | konfuzed: common problem yes, but it sometimes works |
| 22:49.24 | illsci | er... hold on |
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| 22:49.48 | konfuzed | i read something saying it could be responsible for the ethernet card just not working from time to time and then coming back |
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| 22:50.00 | illsci | Your browser sent a request that this server could not understand. |
| 22:50.00 | illsci | Reason: You're speaking plain HTTP to an SSL-enabled server port. |
| 22:50.02 | illsci | Instead use the HTTPS scheme to access this URL, please. |
| 22:50.05 | konfuzed | that really bugs me |
| 22:50.10 | illsci | thats the error I get when I connect to my site |
| 22:50.13 | illsci | using http |
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| 22:50.25 | konfuzed | i had to get a USB nic for back up and it never fails |
| 22:50.42 | illsci | how do you set up a virtual host to listen on 80 and 443 and only use ssl when you need to |
| 22:50.49 | daeos | try typing in https ?? idk |
| 22:50.52 | illsci | no |
| 22:51.08 | illsci | its something to do with the ssl configuration in my sites-enable/ dir |
| 22:51.20 | Thanatermesis | wols ? |
| 22:51.24 | illsci | i need to figure out how to have enabled for just requests sent to port 443 |
| 22:51.28 | daeos | i've never messed with SSL in apache |
| 22:51.41 | wols | Thanatermesis: there are drivers for matriox in xfree |
| 22:51.43 | daeos | no need for it nor did i want to pay for a cert |
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| 22:51.50 | illsci | you dont have to pay for a cert |
| 22:52.01 | konfuzed | i was installing on someones new nforce430 chipset mobo w/SATA (raid off) and it hang several times during format and unpacking |
| 22:52.08 | daeos | to get it signed? |
| 22:52.12 | daeos | thought you did |
| 22:52.22 | illsci | you can be your own certificate authority |
| 22:52.26 | wols | konfuzed: that's normal there. yes you need to turn acpi off with nforce4 |
| 22:52.42 | wols | konfuzed: noacpi as a boot parameter |
| 22:52.47 | Thanatermesis | wols and "nv" for nvidia... but i don't think to the drivers of matrox are really free drivers |
| 22:52.59 | daeos | nice, maybe i'll pay attention to who helps ya in this since i'll do the same LOL i honestly don't know myself |
| 22:53.07 | wols | Thanatermesis: if they are gpl, how much more free do you want it? |
| 22:53.20 | DarkWingZE | alex@debian:~/myprojs/GTK/source$ aclocal |
| 22:53.20 | DarkWingZE | aclocal: configure.in: 12: macro `AM_PATH_GTK' not found in library |
| 22:53.28 | Thanatermesis | gpl ? |
| 22:53.29 | DarkWingZE | I get this error and I dont know why |
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| 22:53.32 | Thanatermesis | hum |
| 22:53.35 | konfuzed | yeah now i figured that and to just always turn it off cuz i mostly end up with nvidia boards |
| 22:53.37 | DarkWingZE | any suggestions on how to fix it? |
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| 22:54.03 | konfuzed | so for the install boot: add in -noacpi |
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| 22:54.37 | wols | why the "-" at the beginning? |
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| 22:54.45 | konfuzed | then after install how can I config it to always boot -noacpi |
| 22:54.49 | konfuzed | old habits |
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| 22:55.03 | azeem | DarkWingZE: use pkg-config for GTK autoconf stuff, rather |
| 22:55.12 | wols | put that bootparameter in your menu.lst for grub |
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| 22:55.46 | DarkWingZE | azee: thanks:) |
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| 22:56.51 | DarkWingZE | azee: how do I find that? |
| 22:57.42 | DarkWingZE | how do I run pkg-config, it is apparently no executable file |
| 22:59.16 | azeem | DarkWingZE: read its documentation |
| 22:59.19 | LtL | DarkWingZE try /usr/bin/pck-config |
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| 22:59.32 | azeem | DarkWingZE: this is your own code you are adding autoconf to? |
| 22:59.42 | LtL | rather... /usr/bin/pkg-config |
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| 23:00.06 | yacc_ | how do I install kde |
| 23:00.23 | DarkWingZE | actually I am doing this tutorial |
| 23:00.37 | konfuzed | so i rarely mess with boot parameters. are they categorically without a "-" or is that optional? the menu.lst file shows boot at the end of each section. is tab character required after boot? |
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| 23:00.39 | DarkWingZE | or following actually |
| 23:00.47 | azeem | maybe it is outdated |
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| 23:00.58 | DarkWingZE | http://www.writelinux.com/glade/ |
| 23:01.24 | DarkWingZE | I am running glade1 they are doing glade1 |
| 23:01.32 | azeem | glade1? |
| 23:01.37 | DarkWingZE | glade |
| 23:01.42 | azeem | is this a GTK1 application? |
| 23:01.47 | DarkWingZE | yes |
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| 23:01.51 | azeem | ugh |
| 23:01.53 | azeem | ok |
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| 23:02.02 | DarkWingZE | is that bad? |
| 23:02.09 | azeem | why not GTK2? |
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| 23:02.25 | DarkWingZE | well, it seems like if this wont work GTK2 wont work either |
| 23:02.26 | illsci | ahh i fixed it |
| 23:02.26 | chealer | yacc_: see #debian-kde |
| 23:02.33 | azeem | DarkWingZE: why? |
| 23:02.38 | azeem | they are quite different |
| 23:02.43 | illsci | that kind of sucks though that i need two configs one for ssl and one for https |
| 23:02.45 | illsci | http |
| 23:02.50 | DarkWingZE | hmm |
| 23:02.58 | DarkWingZE | azeem: are they really? |
| 23:03.09 | azeem | did you take a close look at bothß |
| 23:03.11 | azeem | ? |
| 23:03.13 | DarkWingZE | anyhow aclconf still doesnt work |
| 23:03.23 | azeem | aclconf? |
| 23:03.26 | Andy298 | im after a couple of efficient backup routines. One for a weekly system backup, one for a daily data back up (and then weekly archive of backups). |
| 23:03.47 | DarkWingZE | alex@debian:~/myprojs/GTK/source$ aclocal |
| 23:03.48 | DarkWingZE | aclocal: configure.in: 12: macro `AM_PATH_GTK' not found in library |
| 23:03.52 | DarkWingZE | sorry, typo |
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| 23:04.33 | azeem | you need to provide the AM_PATH_GTK m4 code as it is not provided by autoconf itself |
| 23:04.35 | DarkWingZE | I figured that if I can get it to work for aclconf then it should work |
| 23:05.04 | DarkWingZE | and how do I do that? |
| 23:05.19 | azeem | look for it on the internet |
| 23:05.25 | DarkWingZE | apparently the autogen.sh script should take care of that but fail misserably |
| 23:05.28 | azeem | or maybe it is also in the gtk1 source |
| 23:05.44 | azeem | did you write autogen.sh yourself? |
| 23:05.54 | DarkWingZE | nopes, it was generated by glade |
| 23:05.55 | azeem | to reiterate my question, is this your own code? |
| 23:06.04 | daeos | illsci: you did? |
| 23:06.07 | illsci | yeha |
| 23:06.07 | DarkWingZE | I just draw some boxes, windows |
| 23:06.18 | daeos | illsci: what did you need? and also, how do you make your own certs? |
| 23:06.19 | DarkWingZE | followed the tutorial |
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| 23:06.28 | azeem | DarkWingZE: and glade added AM_PATH_GTK to configure.in? |
| 23:06.36 | DarkWingZE | apparently it did |
| 23:06.41 | illsci | with debian you can just use apache2-ssl-certificates |
| 23:06.47 | illsci | and it will generate them for you |
| 23:06.49 | DarkWingZE | it gives 3 errors several warnings |
| 23:06.55 | termo | hi there |
| 23:06.55 | azeem | ok, so then it didn't make sure the m4 code is actually in acinclude.m4 |
| 23:07.21 | azeem | tough luck, but gtk1 and glade1 are horribly outdated, I don't think many people will care about this |
| 23:07.27 | GPLGeek | Howdy |
| 23:07.28 | konfuzed | ok next boot will be noacpi |
| 23:07.31 | termo | does anyone know an init.d config tool? (curses) |
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| 23:07.44 | DarkWingZE | hmm |
| 23:07.57 | DarkWingZE | So there will be better luck with glade2? |
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| 23:08.04 | DarkWingZE | I got that one installed as well |
| 23:08.19 | azeem | you will run into different problems, at least |
| 23:08.28 | DarkWingZE | huh |
| 23:08.41 | DarkWingZE | and you know how to fix em? |
| 23:08.42 | DarkWingZE | or? |
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| 23:08.58 | azeem | I just said that you will not have this problem with glade2 |
| 23:09.03 | azeem | but *probably* other problems |
| 23:09.04 | daeos | illsci: sweet, then i can make my own great, good for my email server. |
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| 23:10.21 | Andy298 | im after a couple of efficient backup routines. One for a weekly system backup, one for a daily data back up (and then weekly archive of backups). |
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| 23:11.53 | DarkWingZE | btw: wat is a stock button |
| 23:12.30 | azeem | DarkWingZE: this is a Debian support channel, not general programming help |
| 23:13.11 | azeem | if you want to develop GTK (GNOME) applications, best ask in #gnome (or #gtk, if it exists) on irc.gimp.org |
| 23:13.23 | adam_e | Hello, I've got a weird USB problem with a fresh install and was wondering if this is the place to ask for help? |
| 23:13.32 | azeem | adam_e: yes |
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| 23:14.02 | adam_e | Perfect. Ok here goes. |
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| 23:15.30 | adam_e | I installed a stable debian from the netinst disk and all goes well. Once installed I add the testing sources. At this point I run an apt-get update and upgrade. Reboot USB keyboard still works |
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| 23:15.47 | adam_e | After that I do an apt-get install gnome and the usb keyboard not longer work |
| 23:15.48 | adam_e | s |
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| 23:16.07 | adam_e | ps2 is the only option so I can'[t get into X11 as the mouse doesn't work either |
| 23:16.19 | loca|host | i've deleted the /etc/apache2 folder, to restore the original one, i've apt-get removed apache2 and reinstalled it with apt but that folder was not created |
| 23:16.22 | adam_e | the devices are listed as being there under /proc though |
| 23:16.27 | loca|host | how to gt it back |
| 23:16.39 | adam_e | Any ideas?\ |
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| 23:18.59 | codemaster_ | anyone in for a little sendmail help ? |
| 23:19.26 | codemaster_ | i'm trying to setup mailserver for multiple domains but can't get it working |
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| 23:20.14 | codemaster_ | i can't have sendmail recognise local mail |
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| 23:21.05 | dondelelcaro | codemaster_: first off, is there any reason why you're using sendmail in particular? |
| 23:21.11 | codemaster_ | i mean route mail to local in fact |
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| 23:22.11 | dondelelcaro | codemaster_: sendmail by default delivers localmail to the mail spool, assuming the domain name in question exists in /etc/localhostnames, and the user is in /etc/password (or some alias remaps it there) |
| 23:22.52 | codemaster_ | dondelelcaro, i'm looking for a server that can be configured thru webmin, and i'f i remember exim can only be monitored that way |
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| 23:23.01 | colera | anyone here speak italian? |
| 23:23.09 | zamolxes | !italian |
| 23:23.10 | dpkg | rumour has it, italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 23:23.18 | dondelelcaro | codemaster_: you don't want to configure your MTA through webmin. That way lies only pain. |
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| 23:24.16 | dondelelcaro | codemaster_: the most configuration that should be being done once you've got it set up is adding additional users, which you can use adduser for, or adding additional domains, for which an editor sufficies. |
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| 23:24.50 | ming | I could not ping 'security.unbuntu.com' behind http proxy, but able to firefox to it. What problem is that ? |
| 23:24.52 | DarkWingZE | azes: thanks you are right GTK1 sucks goats balls, GTK2 works |
| 23:25.05 | dondelelcaro | ming: ask #ubuntu |
| 23:25.11 | codemaster_ | dondelelcaro, later administration of this machine will be done by nonlinux users, webmin is a +/- userfriendly solution but i must admit it sucks |
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| 23:25.22 | loca|host | how to purge a package ? |
| 23:25.29 | dondelelcaro | loca|host: dpkg --purge foopkg; |
| 23:25.34 | ming | what does "ask #ubuntu" mean ? |
| 23:25.38 | edgeoc | debian 3.1 here on a dell poweredge 800 server. I have 1.5gb of ram installed (bios detects it properly); however, debian is reporting only 1 gb. why is that? |
| 23:25.47 | dondelelcaro | ming: this is #debian; we have nothing to do with Ubuntu. |
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| 23:26.02 | ming | sorry... |
| 23:26.15 | thingfish | yay |
| 23:26.26 | dondelelcaro | codemaster_: well, I'd strongly suggest spending a little bit of time training them instead, or using a web frontend that is restricted to the type of modifications that they should be performing. |
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| 23:26.29 | Andy298 | im after a couple of efficient backup routines. One for a weekly system backup, one for a daily data back up (and then weekly archive of backups). |
| 23:26.52 | thingfish | does it say, when you're installing ubuntu, "This is really Debian!"? |
| 23:26.54 | dondelelcaro | codemaster_: since it's quite trival to totally screw up the configuration in a way that's not easily recoverable via webmin. |
| 23:27.18 | thingfish | because I just tried 5.10, and it's *not* Debian. |
| 23:27.34 | codemaster_ | dondelelcaro, i will look that way, so if i remove the webmin part you suggest me to use exim4 |
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| 23:28.42 | dondelelcaro | codemaster_: or postfix |
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| 23:29.01 | dondelelcaro | I personally use sendmail, but I really can't recommend it unless you know exactly why you're using it. |
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| 23:29.51 | serfurj | what's that gtk app called that draws a pie chart of disk usage? |
| 23:30.28 | edgeoc | oooh I see in dmesg that it says only 896mb will be used. Usa a HIGHMEM enabled kernel. |
| 23:30.36 | Hessophanes | edgeoc: The linux kernel has to be explicitly configured to support > 1 G ram... |
| 23:30.36 | edgeoc | That could be an answer |
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| 23:30.42 | Hessophanes | edgeoc: Yep. :) |
| 23:30.45 | codemaster_ | dondelelcaro, do i need to add my domain in the relay-domains file ? |
| 23:30.58 | edgeoc | now,,, is there a highmem kernel in apt-cache search.... |
| 23:31.05 | edgeoc | or is there an easier way to enable HIGHMEM |
| 23:31.24 | codemaster_ | dondelelcaro i suppose not, but then i get relaying denied errors |
| 23:32.20 | Hessophanes | edgeoc: I don't think any of the stock debian kernels come with HIGHMEM enabled... |
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| 23:32.33 | Hessophanes | (edgeoc: I'm not sure about that, though) |
| 23:33.01 | edgeoc | it doesnt appear so |
| 23:33.04 | edgeoc | I think your right |
| 23:33.14 | edgeoc | I only see others for specific processors and SMP |
| 23:33.19 | edgeoc | no large memory kernels |
| 23:33.49 | Hessophanes | So you'll have to grab the source package and configure&compile your own kernel. |
| 23:34.07 | Andy298 | im after a couple of efficient backup routines. One for a weekly system backup, one for a daily data back up (and then weekly archive of backups). |
| 23:34.14 | edgeoc | hrm |
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| 23:34.19 | ZaxX | Anyone knows where I can find a glftpd-package, please? |
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| 23:34.40 | wols | ZaxX: glftpd is proprietary software. not suitable for debian |
| 23:34.41 | serfurj | is there a gtk version of this? http://kgraphspace.sourceforge.net/#screenshot |
| 23:34.41 | konfuzed | HIGHMEM ? is that needed for 1GB RAM |
| 23:34.54 | wols | konfuzed: unlikely |
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| 23:35.03 | Hessophanes | Not for 1 G, but for more than 1G. |
| 23:35.17 | wols | Hessophanes: why? |
| 23:35.25 | konfuzed | why only 896MB will be used |
| 23:35.30 | konfuzed | hm video card on board |
| 23:36.24 | bucky | konfuzed: you need high mem.. did you upgrade your install kernel? |
| 23:36.41 | Hessophanes | Don't know about the details... but I know of a kernel option for that, and what choices it offers. ;) |
| 23:37.15 | bucky | the generic i386 install kernel needs to be upgraded |
| 23:37.29 | MoRLoCh | my kernel has HIGHMEM and HIGHMEM4G enabled, and it's a -686 fro testing |
| 23:37.46 | bucky | unless you're really running an 8086 |
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| 23:38.13 | bucky | MoRLoCh: did you apt-get the kernel? |
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| 23:38.22 | MoRLoCh | bucky: yes |
| 23:38.26 | bucky | good for you |
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| 23:39.17 | MoRLoCh | on my old server (P150), the -586tsc kernel has no HIGHMEM |
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| 23:41.06 | Shadda | when I apt-get install ffmpeg, I can't get it to install with mp3lame support |
| 23:41.24 | Shadda | Do I have to apt-get source it, and edit the rules file? |
| 23:41.46 | cindy | i need help getting a hp deskjet 722c printer working |
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| 23:45.44 | codemaster_ | dpkg |
| 23:47.16 | Shadda | dammit...I added the confflags in debian/rules, built the package |
| 23:47.18 | Andy298 | im after a couple of efficient backup routines. One for a weekly system backup, one for a daily data back up (and then weekly archive of backups). |
| 23:47.20 | Shadda | and it still didn't do it |
| 23:47.41 | serfurj | cindy: http://linuxprinting.org/ |
| 23:48.06 | serfurj | cindy: make sure you install all the foomatic drivers |
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| 23:51.01 | nautiazn85 | I just installed debian base system... how do I download new kernel sources and install xorg using apt-get? |
| 23:51.02 | bucky | cindy: according to the faq at http://hpinkjet.sourceforge.net/faqs.php it requires the pnm2ppa |
| 23:51.19 | bucky | cindy: apt-get install pnm2ppa and set it up normally with cups |
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| 23:51.29 | bucky | afaik |
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| 23:51.52 | AcemiPenguen | merhaba |
| 23:52.02 | AcemiPenguen | aranızda türk olan arkadaşlar varmı? |
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| 23:52.18 | jetscreamer | *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0x08110438 *** Aborted (core dumped) |
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| 23:52.29 | mo1991 | where is the ssh log? |
| 23:52.40 | jetscreamer | in /var/log maybe i dunno |
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| 23:53.02 | _rene_ | jetscreamer: welcome in unstable :-P (if this is a glib app) |
| 23:53.09 | jetscreamer | it's irssi |
| 23:53.16 | _rene_ | then it is |
| 23:53.20 | _rene_ | welcome in unstable :P |
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| 23:53.42 | Red_Cloud | I would like to infom all who had an interest in my problem with my scanner, that I now have xsane and quiteinsane operating as advertised and recognizing my scanner. The problem was that in the /etc/sane.d/umax.conf there was a line pointing to my scanner (dev/scanner) which did not have a symlink (to dev/sg0). I changed the pointer to dev/sg0 and life is now good. |
| 23:53.48 | Minerale | Greetings, I have a fairly cluttered home directory... what would I loose if I delete all the .xsessioni586 files? |
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| 23:54.11 | jetscreamer | i just delete all but the latest one |
| 23:54.23 | jetscreamer | haven't noticed any problems |
| 23:54.35 | jetscreamer | btw why the hell did that cruft start appearing |
| 23:54.48 | asop | What is the name of the net configuration utility that will ask me NIC config questions step by step? |
| 23:55.05 | bucky | etherconf |
| 23:55.07 | jetscreamer | it's called the_installer |
| 23:55.12 | Minerale | would it be safe is I delete all the .xsession files uplon logout in a script? |
| 23:55.12 | bucky | if it's installed |
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| 23:55.33 | asop | It doesn't seem to be... do you know what package that is in |
| 23:55.41 | MrNaz | kernel-image-2.6.8-12 was released... where would you go to find changelogs on those? |
| 23:55.48 | MrNaz | for amd64-smp |
| 23:55.58 | ion_bidon | huh, setting up kernel-image-2.6-k7 .. segmentation fault :O |
| 23:56.07 | ion_bidon | as chrooted |
| 23:56.19 | MrNaz | ion_bidon what cpu do you have? |
| 23:56.35 | ion_bidon | MrNaz: athlon xp 2600+ |
| 23:56.40 | jetscreamer | !info etherconf |
| 23:56.46 | bucky | asop: see if eth0 shows up in ifconfig.. if it doesn't, load the driver for your nic and use this to configure it |
| 23:56.46 | dpkg | etherconf: (debconf interface to Ethernet device configuration), section net, is optional. Version: 1.17-0.1 (sid), Packaged size: 41 kB, Installed size: 188 kB |
| 23:56.47 | bucky | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html#s-net-high |
| 23:56.48 | settd | what is the right way to use findsmb? |
| 23:56.52 | settd | can't get it |
| 23:56.56 | settd | I want to scan a subnet |
| 23:57.09 | bucky | asop: ifup and ifdown |
| 23:57.28 | ion_bidon | ok I am stucked here the mounted partition is not responding any more |
| 23:57.28 | jetscreamer | ion_bidon: i installed that metapackage once... it would not uninstall |
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| 23:57.29 | MrNaz | ion_bidon you're sure you're using the right image for those? last i heard the x86 kernels were the ones to use |
| 23:57.36 | ReVisions | hey all ;) |
| 23:57.47 | jetscreamer | -k7 is for athlon |
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| 23:58.02 | jetscreamer | or athlon is for k7 |
| 23:58.06 | jetscreamer | yeah that's it |
| 23:58.16 | ion_bidon | MrNaz: I know that I have used this kernel image for about 4 months, and today I just have a broken kernel, maybe because some forced halt |
| 23:58.43 | jetscreamer | that's not a kernel-image |
| 23:58.52 | MrNaz | ion_bidon ok cool just checking... ive had issues before selecting kernel images that *sounded* right but werent just quite the right variant |
| 23:58.55 | jetscreamer | it's a metapackage that pulls in the latest linux-image |
| 23:59.03 | ion_bidon | kernel-image is not a kernel image ? :O |
| 23:59.09 | konfuzed | is the nforce4 drivers required during the isntall or can that wait till after gnome is running |
| 23:59.21 | ion_bidon | jetscreamer: yeah sure |
| 23:59.30 | bucky | konfuzed: you mean geforce ? |
| 23:59.32 | nautiazn85 | how do I install xorg-x11 from apt-get? |
| 23:59.36 | jetscreamer | we could bet money if you like |
| 23:59.43 | MrNaz | bucky no he means nforce |
| 23:59.43 | konfuzed | no |
| 23:59.45 | jetscreamer | but you probably wouldn't pay |
| 23:59.46 | konfuzed | nforce |
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| 23:59.59 | konfuzed | mobo shipset not vidcard GPU |
