| 00:00.28 | zirikili | cheal: let me try |
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| 00:01.18 | zirikili | cheal: yes. 403 forbidden |
| 00:01.19 | lzhang | how do I stop dhcpd from serving on a specific interface |
| 00:01.42 | petemc | lzhang: look in /etc/default/ |
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| 00:02.57 | cheal | zirikili: does this look specific to that package? |
| 00:03.05 | lzhang | petemc: thanks... if interfaces to serve on line is empty, does that mean it attempts to serve on all interfaces? |
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| 00:04.08 | zirikili | cheal: the last command affects only that package |
| 00:04.30 | cheal | zirikili: yes but if you try it with another package that needs to be upgraded/installed, ? |
| 00:04.39 | nefertum | do you know any app to make colored ascii's form a string? |
| 00:04.49 | nefertum | from a string, sorry |
| 00:05.07 | nefertum | similar to 'banner', but with colors and horizontal way |
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| 00:05.31 | kuki | why can't i load in apache 2 my index.php if me directoryindex is index.php? |
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| 00:05.46 | PierreTramo | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/mail/enigmail ---> why no ppc ? :( |
| 00:05.47 | ubuntu | HI |
| 00:05.50 | malex | Is there a doc somewhere on mous/kbd setup with evdev? |
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| 00:06.12 | ubuntu | Speak Arabic ? |
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| 00:06.24 | Ronin | !ar |
| 00:06.25 | dpkg | it has been said that ar is argon or a program to create, modify, and extract from archives (man ar), or in binutils, or argentina |
| 00:06.28 | zirikili | cheal: it does the download only |
| 00:06.30 | cheal | ubuntu: no |
| 00:06.30 | Ronin | heh didnt thinkso |
| 00:06.49 | cheal | zirikili: but it downloads fine? |
| 00:06.53 | zirikili | yes |
| 00:07.03 | cheal | zirikili: which other mirrors did you try? |
| 00:07.11 | ubuntu | What is Good : Dibian OR Ubuntu ? |
| 00:07.28 | gravity | ubuntu: ##linux please |
| 00:07.31 | zirikili | chea;: ftp.debian.org ftp.br.debian.org |
| 00:07.33 | juice` | is there any tool for debian to control power (energy saving) options under console? |
| 00:07.42 | juice` | i can't find it with apt-cache |
| 00:07.57 | zirikili | cheal: ftp.debian.org ftp.br.debian.org |
| 00:08.05 | w32 | Who are the bots ? |
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| 00:08.18 | cheal | w32: dpkg is the most useful bot |
| 00:08.27 | w32 | thanks |
| 00:08.32 | erhanr | !bot |
| 00:08.32 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
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| 00:10.19 | w32 | dpkg: securing debian sarge ? |
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| 00:11.51 | Ronin | w32: need a ! |
| 00:12.00 | Ronin | or better yet /msg dpkg |
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| 00:13.10 | zirikili | cheal: any tip? |
| 00:13.26 | lawton | hello, does anyone know a way to manually tell your hard drive to spin down? |
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| 00:15.19 | cheal | zirikili: I have to go eat. which apt version do you have? |
| 00:15.28 | jbroome | you're eating apt? |
| 00:16.15 | cheal | jbroome: yes, I care about the eating with variety |
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| 00:16.55 | _gass_ | any debian-desktop develloppers here? |
| 00:17.08 | _gass_ | i sent an email for two of them |
| 00:17.15 | _gass_ | or, for the only two |
| 00:17.30 | _gass_ | oh forget |
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| 00:20.04 | w32 | !dpkg: securing debian sarge |
| 00:20.12 | kreg_work | once you set a module paramter, how do you know if it's really set? |
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| 00:24.43 | mrkorn | NVZ YOU HERE????? |
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| 00:25.45 | SonnyBurnett | does the swap partition mounts? how can I umount it? |
| 00:25.46 | roby | I just made a folder, made the group ownership to 'foo', now i need to add my own account to this group and use this folder immediately... how is this done without haveing to logout/log back in? |
| 00:25.49 | abrotman | _gass_: about what? |
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| 00:26.06 | roby | err... folder -> directory |
| 00:26.10 | _gass_ | abrotman: who are you? |
| 00:26.21 | _gass_ | abrotman: corporate desktop |
| 00:26.23 | abrotman | _gass_: i am me! |
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| 00:26.29 | abrotman | _gass_: i meant . what was the topic of the email |
| 00:26.47 | _gass_ | abrotman: that one, sent email to debian-desktop minutes ago |
| 00:27.01 | abrotman | well that's vague |
| 00:27.24 | _gass_ | abrotman: if you received the email, that was the subsject |
| 00:27.27 | _gass_ | subject* |
| 00:27.33 | abrotman | i'm not subscribed |
| 00:27.38 | mpoer | blast this mp3 player madness! I am having a bit of trouble with my Rio 600 in Linux, can someone help me? |
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| 00:27.40 | abrotman | but why would you come here and ask if anyone reads it ? |
| 00:27.50 | abrotman | !ask |
| 00:27.50 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 00:27.56 | nvz | mrkorn, yes but you aren't |
| 00:28.07 | nvz | damn people come on irc for less than 5 mintues |
| 00:28.13 | nvz | why do they bother |
| 00:28.13 | abrotman | !yinzersmite nvz |
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| 00:28.16 | ClayG | how can i grant sudo'er priv's to a user? I've tried in the users and groups, checking root and sudo boxes but i still get the warning that i am not on the sudo'ers list, what gives?! |
| 00:28.19 | _gass_ | abrotman: i asked if some debian-desktop develloper was here |
| 00:28.32 | _gass_ | abrotman: at d.o/devel/debian-desktop are 2 listed |
| 00:28.35 | abrotman | and i asked why .. :) |
| 00:28.40 | _gass_ | abrotman: i sent those 2 an email |
| 00:28.55 | _gass_ | abrotman: and i think they did not received it |
| 00:29.00 | SonnyBurnett | hi, how can I umount my swap fylesystem? |
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| 00:29.07 | abrotman | i haven't seem madkiss here in a very very long time |
| 00:29.12 | _gass_ | abrotman: i think i sent taht email to an inexisting account |
| 00:29.14 | abrotman | swapoff |
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| 00:29.58 | _gass_ | abrotman: so ... iour answear should be _gass_ there are none of them here :P |
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| 00:31.32 | abrotman | _gass_: no .. that's not the answer |
| 00:31.45 | abrotman | the answer would be "I'm looking for the developers because _____________" |
| 00:32.37 | joaotibery | hello |
| 00:32.39 | nvz | ClayG: you are not using windows, so you need to further explain things, I dont know for example wtf a "users and groups" is or a "root and sudo boxes" without some context |
| 00:32.51 | joaotibery | sorry to ask this stupid question |
| 00:33.09 | nvz | ClayG: man 5 sudoers |
| 00:33.12 | joaotibery | but i not used to work with debian. first time |
| 00:33.22 | ClayG | I'm talking about users-admin |
| 00:33.25 | _gass_ | abrotman: that maybe should be the answear |
| 00:33.26 | joaotibery | someone, please, help me install rmp files? |
| 00:33.30 | mpoer | I have a Rio 600 mp3 player, and I want to use it with Debian Sarge on my thinkpad notebook. I've tried both 'rio' and 'rioutil', but it seems that neither program can find the devise. How can I make the program find my mp3 player? |
| 00:33.32 | ClayG | but I think I got it figured |
| 00:33.33 | nvz | ClayG: man 8 visudo |
| 00:33.35 | _gass_ | abrotman: the question, i mean |
| 00:33.37 | ClayG | ok thanks |
| 00:33.38 | abrotman | _gass_: yes .. it should be :) |
| 00:34.24 | abrotman | joaotibery: /msg dpkg w32codecs |
| 00:34.28 | _gass_ | abrotman: anyway ... i am looking for debian-desktop devellopers because of a project i want to start about corporate desktop environments |
| 00:34.30 | abrotman | joaotibery: or .. get the player from real |
| 00:34.46 | joaotibery | thanks man |
| 00:34.53 | joaotibery | ill try |
| 00:34.55 | abrotman | _gass_: ok .. is there more to it? |
| 00:34.57 | nvz | ClayG: not everyone is looking at the same candied environment and clicking about it to use their pc.. if thats the way you do it, you have to specify.. I am using KDE, kcontrol.. etc its _way_ different then how 99.99% of people understand things |
| 00:35.05 | _gass_ | abrotman: more? |
| 00:35.15 | _gass_ | abrotman: rephrase, please |
| 00:35.23 | abrotman | is there question of legality? |
| 00:35.33 | abrotman | how about i just wait for the email to hit the archive :) |
| 00:36.02 | _gass_ | abrotman: nop ... using debian @ business |
| 00:36.02 | ClayG | nvz, how is it done in kcontrol? |
| 00:36.08 | abrotman | _gass_: i do it now |
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| 00:36.40 | Red_Cloud | Attempting to set up my printer using the foomatic GUI. I need help determining the IPP queue address for my printer. My printer is located at /dev/lo0. The wizard says that the address should be formatted as a URL: e.g. ipp://192.168.1.1/printers/LJ4. Advice? Help? I have not been able to determine the location of my printer as a URL |
| 00:36.58 | nvz | ClayG: I have no clue. you would have to hag around kde users.. #debian-kde or #kde. I only know how sudo works, which has nothing to do with any of that stuff I've never heard of you are talking about. it has to do with visudo and sudoers |
| 00:37.26 | Neverther | (8*9) = 72 |
| 00:37.36 | Neverther | (6*4) = 24 |
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| 00:37.52 | ClayG | I think you're wrong, I have a feeling kcontrol would function pretty much the same as users-admin |
| 00:38.01 | _gass_ | abrotman: i want to lauch a projecto to mantain a list of packages to use in corporate environment, based on gnome, and to use also some install and auto configuration scripts |
| 00:38.16 | ClayG | I just heard you sqawk something about KDE and that's why I asked. |
| 00:38.18 | abrotman | _gass_: but each corporation is different |
| 00:38.21 | nvz | ClayG: I have no idea what users-admin or kcontrol is |
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| 00:38.53 | _gass_ | abrotman: true ... but you have allways have to choose the packages that are useful |
| 00:39.01 | _gass_ | abrotman: to have a complete desktop environment |
| 00:39.39 | _gass_ | abrotman: my propose is to create a list of packages, and add to that list some configurating issues |
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| 00:41.22 | _gass_ | abrotman: imagine if a package comes with an user profile for gnome that does no show, for one example, all administrative tasks |
| 00:41.26 | abrotman | _gass_: uhm .. ok .. i'm not sure it will work that well .. but you're welcome to try . also look at '/msg dpkg debian clone' and google about 'debian preseed' |
| 00:41.44 | _gass_ | abrotman: true, i thinked all that |
| 00:41.53 | _gass_ | abrotman: but i want a flexible system |
| 00:42.04 | _gass_ | abrotman: to use mostly in small business |
| 00:42.15 | abrotman | okeedokee |
| 00:42.21 | _gass_ | abrotman: with such meta-package you can add/remove apllications |
| 00:42.36 | _gass_ | abrotman: easely |
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| 00:42.51 | _gass_ | abrotman: http://lists.debian.org/debian-desktop/2006/03/msg00027.html |
| 00:43.47 | nvz | anyone know where to find a libares-gift for sarge? I can only find one repo and its for sid wants me to rebuild all kinds of libs to install it |
| 00:43.53 | abrotman | _gass_: moving a corporate task with testing is suicide |
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| 00:45.10 | Red_Cloud | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:45.41 | _gass_ | abrotman: the objective is to have it update and come out with stable |
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| 00:45.52 | _gass_ | abrotman: being on sarge for now is losing time |
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| 00:46.05 | abrotman | your email doesn't state that correctly |
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| 00:46.22 | _gass_ | abrotman: humm ... |
| 00:46.55 | w32 | Hey how do I set the Kernel/Config.pm writable for the webserver user ? |
| 00:46.57 | _gass_ | abrotman: what i think, mainly, corporate or not, debian does not provide, easely, a good and clean desktop environment |
| 00:47.10 | abrotman | _gass_: i strongly disagree |
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| 00:47.27 | w32 | Would I need to add the user or just do a chmod ? |
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| 00:48.16 | _gass_ | abrotman: well ... what metapackages do you install to provide desktop? |
| 00:48.35 | _gass_ | abrotman: desktop option at teasksel is a good one? |
| 00:48.47 | abrotman | _gass_: apt-get install gdm gnome x-window-system ... done |
| 00:49.04 | realest | _gass_: personal prefernce. |
| 00:49.18 | abrotman | tasksel is horrible |
| 00:49.27 | realest | abrotman: agreed. |
| 00:49.33 | gravity | Why? |
| 00:49.35 | gravity | I like tasksel |
| 00:49.42 | abrotman | fix it! |
| 00:49.45 | _gass_ | abrotman: no ... gnome metapackage installs lot's of packages that are useless (in my way of view) and does not install other important ones |
| 00:49.46 | realest | gravity: it's not granular enough. |
| 00:49.49 | gravity | How? I don't know how it's broken |
| 00:49.54 | Red_Cloud | Here is what I have tried in the foomatic GUI for the printer URL address: ipp://192.168.1.1/parallel:/dev/lp0 But it does not work. Advice? |
| 00:49.59 | abrotman | _gass_: useless *to you* .. |
| 00:50.01 | gravity | realest: It provides a nice quick bootstrap though that you can granularize later |
| 00:50.01 | _gass_ | abrotman: try to do apt-get install kde, and see what i talk about |
| 00:50.15 | abrotman | no fucking way am i installing kde |
| 00:50.38 | _gass_ | abrotman: it does not bring openoffice.org , or gtkam, totem-xine, or firefox, or many other things |
| 00:50.52 | realest | 'apt-get -s install kde' |
| 00:51.20 | abrotman | _gass_: what makes you think i use those? even on a business desktop? .. your business and mine differ |
| 00:51.25 | _gass_ | realest: i apt-get install kde ... when i want a text editor, i have 20 |
| 00:51.29 | realest | _gass_: write a script to pull in other packages you require? |
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| 00:51.38 | xomhau | hi * |
| 00:51.55 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 00:51.55 | dpkg | somebody said install kde was In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 00:51.56 | erhanr | hi xomhau |
| 00:51.58 | xomhau | how to install scilab on debian amd64 |
| 00:52.23 | Red_Cloud | xomhau, hi. Can you offer help with the configuration of a printer using foomatic GUI? |
| 00:52.23 | realest | abrotman: good call. |
| 00:52.24 | xomhau | !install scilab |
| 00:52.40 | xomhau | :D |
| 00:52.42 | _gass_ | abrotman: i also want to connect desktops to a server, using pam-sql or pam-ldap auth |
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| 00:52.55 | abrotman | that's what preseeding is for .. and package lists |
| 00:53.00 | _gass_ | abrotman: to provide simply network install |
| 00:53.26 | _gass_ | abrotman: no it is not |
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| 00:53.31 | loggygreg | xomhau: apt-get install scilab, no ? |
| 00:53.31 | abrotman | _gass_: they're not? |
| 00:53.42 | xomhau | loggygreg, no no |
| 00:54.01 | loggygreg | xomhau: you use stable ? |
| 00:54.08 | abrotman | tarzeau: ping! |
| 00:54.20 | xomhau | loggygreg, i use testing |
| 00:54.27 | abrotman | !dphys |
| 00:54.27 | dpkg | [dphys] http://www.phys.ethz.ch/~franklin/Projects/dphys3/, or http://www.phys.ethz.ch/~franklin/Projects/dphys-kernel-packages/ we build kernels with patched in supermount,sk98lin v2,nvnet for p1-1gb p1-smp-1gb p3-1gb p3-smp-1gb p3-smp-4gb p4-1gb p4-4gb p4-smp-4gb p4-smp-64gb k7-1gb k7-4gb k7-64gb k7-smp-4gb k7-smp-64gb and modules for 3w-9xxx, NVIDIA_kernel-1.0-7174, alsa-driver-1.0.10, openafs-1.4.0, vmware-modules-4.5.2 |
| 00:54.31 | abrotman | !fai |
| 00:54.31 | dpkg | from memory, fai is Fully Automatic Installation for debian at http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ or at #fai |
| 00:54.37 | erhanr | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=scilab&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all |
| 00:54.41 | _gass_ | abrotman: i see preseeding to make automatic instalations, not for running configuration scripts |
| 00:54.48 | kensai | poor dpkg |
| 00:54.49 | erhanr | just unstable there |
| 00:54.57 | kensai | dpkg, I love you |
| 00:54.57 | dpkg | The feeling's not mutual |
| 00:55.01 | _gass_ | abrotman: by that way everybody has to make their own |
| 00:55.04 | gravity | heh |
| 00:55.11 | loggygreg | xomhau: i use scilab on testing but i think i use the unstable package |
| 00:55.14 | _gass_ | abrotman: and i want to make one for all (or most of them) |
| 00:55.21 | abrotman | _gass_: what scripts? |
| 00:55.43 | xomhau | Package scilab is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 00:55.43 | xomhau | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source |
| 00:55.45 | _gass_ | abrotman: like an option (that can be automated) pam-ldap, pam-sql, smb-auth |
| 00:55.46 | xomhau | :(( |
| 00:56.01 | abrotman | _gass_: so write a script .. package it .. execute it from your postinst |
| 00:56.05 | _gass_ | abrotman: scripts to configure either desktop, either network environment |
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| 00:56.23 | Red_Cloud | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:56.24 | xomhau | loggygreg, you use debian on amd64 ? |
| 00:56.29 | _gass_ | abrotman: yes, thats more or less what i am propoting, but to make it directly from debian |
| 00:56.41 | abrotman | _gass_: that's great .. but your setup will not work for everyone |
| 00:57.03 | abrotman | loggygreg: scilab isn't in etch .. maybe not even sid |
| 00:57.12 | _gass_ | abrotman: true ... but for many people. who has diferent ones can propose them to include |
| 00:57.24 | gravity | It's in sid |
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| 00:57.51 | abrotman | _gass_: well .. carry on however you want .. i don't htink it's at all useful |
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| 00:58.05 | loggygreg | xomhau: yes amd64 |
| 00:58.10 | gravity | _gass_: What are you wanting to do exactly? |
| 00:58.30 | xomhau | loggygreg, did you installed scilab? |
| 00:58.37 | gravity | loggygreg: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=scilab |
| 00:58.46 | abrotman | gravity: http://lists.debian.org/debian-desktop/2006/03/msg00027.html |
| 00:58.55 | SonnyBurnett | How can I expand my swap that is a Logical Volume using LVM? |
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| 00:59.04 | abrotman | _gass_: and debian also can't distribute java |
| 00:59.04 | _gass_ | gravity: abrotman the point is to have optimal, flawless, simplier corporate desktop instalation with less work |
| 00:59.11 | gravity | Wow, the scilab maintainer is really not paying attention to his package |
| 00:59.17 | abrotman | _gass_: your system doesn't work for me .. it's flawed |
| 00:59.25 | loggygreg | xomhau: yes it's in unstable section non-free (version 3.0) |
| 00:59.32 | Xenguy | Question: I want a simple way to allow a friend to do an FTP-like file download from my box to his, but I want the transfer to be encrypted. I have read about scponly and rssh, 2 tools that will supposedly allow this, and I'm wondering if anyone here who has used either of them either has recommendations or caveats about either of these tools (or are there better/simpler ways) ? |
| 00:59.34 | _gass_ | abrotman: like i say, it can install from 3rd party ... or not install at all |
| 00:59.52 | abrotman | Xenguy: scp ? |
| 00:59.58 | _gass_ | abrotman: i think installing java is the less of things |
| 01:00.12 | gravity | grandma: Why don't you just spend some time improving the tasksel desktop description? |
| 01:00.15 | gravity | _gass_: ^ |
| 01:00.18 | gravity | grandma: Sorry, not for you |
| 01:00.21 | abrotman | _gass_: i already said .. i don't think it's a good idea .. but you carry on as you wish |
| 01:00.49 | Xenguy | abrotman: I was hoping for a tool that would enforce a 'chroot' type behaviour, like ftp does |
| 01:00.58 | realest | Xenguy: sftp |
| 01:01.09 | _gass_ | abrotman: i could make that project on my own, but i think it is a good thing to add to debian, or to be helped by those who develop debian |
| 01:01.20 | abrotman | _gass_: i don't think it will work |
| 01:01.28 | bbrazil | Xenguy: apache-ssl |
| 01:01.28 | gravity | _gass_: What's wrong with just trying to help improve the tasksel desktop task? |
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| 01:01.38 | gravity | god, that's an annoying nick |
| 01:01.39 | _gass_ | gravity: it could be also. good point. |
| 01:01.47 | Xenguy | hrm |
| 01:01.48 | xomhau | loggygreg, write me your file /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:01.59 | gravity | _gass_: Also, improving tasksel to allow easily plugged in tasks so you could ship a customized task for your company? |
| 01:02.10 | gravity | _gass_: The installer already supports this sort of thing |
| 01:02.17 | gravity | Custom d-i images are pretty standard |
| 01:02.22 | Xenguy | so it seems no one has experience with scponly or rssh |
| 01:02.23 | _gass_ | gravity: true, true |
| 01:02.32 | gravity | _gass_: Basically a lot of the infrastructure exists already |
| 01:02.43 | gravity | You just need to sit down and do the work to make it cleaner. |
| 01:02.43 | _gass_ | gravity: i want some stuff that you could plugin the cd and make a small business network |
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| 01:03.01 | gravity | _gass_: I see that in your email. Why not actually improve what we already have to make it work properly? |
| 01:03.03 | abrotman | i vote for using apt-proxy and your own apt repository .. and a predefined package list with questions already answered |
| 01:03.07 | _gass_ | gravity: i thought of this when we installed some desktops and a server at one realstate |
| 01:03.18 | loggygreg | xomhau: use 'deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-amd64/debian unstable main contrib non-free' then 'apt-get update && apt-get install scilab' after rechange unstable to testing |
| 01:03.36 | _gass_ | abrotman: but that we all do |
| 01:03.47 | _gass_ | abrotman: the idea is to go more ahead |
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| 01:04.17 | _gass_ | well ... time to go |
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| 01:04.27 | Xenguy | thanks for the ideas - I'll keep looking around until I find something that feels satisfactory |
| 01:04.40 | _gass_ | gravity: abrotman subscribe to debian-desktop and help to improve this idea |
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| 01:04.55 | _gass_ | cya |
| 01:05.01 | abrotman | _gass_: i don't think it's broken |
| 01:05.03 | gravity | _gass_: I've got too much on my plate already. Anything you want to do depends on what I'm already doing |
| 01:05.07 | gravity | Ah well, gone |
| 01:05.22 | gravity | He'd have a tough time deploying a Debian desktop without a good set of X packages |
| 01:05.23 | nn | hi |
| 01:05.39 | nn | debian rocks |
| 01:05.44 | nn | !! |
| 01:05.44 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 01:06.10 | unstable | !greet nn |
| 01:06.10 | dpkg | Bonjour, nn |
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| 01:08.24 | erhanr | http://pastebin.com/624212 why is it |
| 01:08.28 | nn | i have been promoteing it around the nabor hood so far re did 1 computer with it |
| 01:08.39 | nn | hope to do more soom |
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| 01:08.58 | Dewi | I'd like to adjust my $PATH in gnome, but changes to things like .profile and .bash_profile only seem to work in ssh shells, but not in gnome |
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| 01:10.14 | nn | all the computers in the house have one debian system,, so about 8 debian systems arounnd our house |
| 01:10.21 | unstable | !tell Dewi about path |
| 01:10.25 | xomhau | Package scilab is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 01:10.34 | xomhau | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 01:10.34 | xomhau | is only available from another source. E: Package scilab has no installation candidate |
| 01:10.41 | xomhau | :(( |
| 01:10.44 | LinuxNIT | what line do i have to add to grub so that debian will restore after a suspend? |
| 01:10.54 | unstable | !tell xomhau about ask |
| 01:10.55 | gravity | xomhau: Are you running etch? |
| 01:10.56 | Dewi | unstable: and which of those actually works in gnome? |
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| 01:11.08 | unstable | !tell LinuxNIT about suspend |
| 01:11.13 | unstable | !#gnome |
| 01:11.13 | dpkg | The gnome IRC channel is #gnome at irc.gnome.org, or for debian gnome related use #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
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| 01:11.21 | mpoer | I need to mount a portable music player, what is step one? |
| 01:11.28 | erhanr | !tell me hp |
| 01:11.34 | LinuxNIT | ty unstable |
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| 01:11.38 | unstable | erhanr: /msg dpkg hp |
| 01:12.00 | abrotman | !tell mpoer about vfatrw |
| 01:12.05 | unstable | erhanr: /msg dpkg help |
| 01:12.09 | erhanr | its gone |
| 01:12.22 | erhanr | before you say it |
| 01:12.50 | unstable | erhanr: huh? |
| 01:13.01 | SonnyBurnett | hello, how can I resize my Swap ? |
| 01:13.18 | erhanr | unstable: <erhanr> http://pastebin.com/624212 why is it |
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| 01:14.04 | mpoer | vfatrw, huh? |
| 01:14.10 | mpoer | googling it now |
| 01:14.14 | abrotman | !tell mpoer about vfatrw |
| 01:14.18 | abrotman | see what dpkg told you |
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| 01:15.10 | unstable | !tell erhanr about qtparted |
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| 01:15.27 | erhanr | :) |
| 01:15.37 | mpoer | thanks, that might be what I needed |
| 01:15.52 | alfa000110101 | Here's my question: I can't get accentuated letters used on winxp get the same on debian. |
| 01:15.54 | abrotman | gravity: do it! |
| 01:16.01 | gravity | abrotman: I have 7 other NMU's to do first |
| 01:16.03 | unstable | !qtparted |
| 01:16.03 | dpkg | rumour has it, qtparted is a program for Linux which is used for creating, destroying, resizing and managing partitions. It uses the GNU Parted libraries and is built with the Qt toolkit. Unlike GNU Parted, it has inherent support for the resizing of NTFS partitions, using the ntfsresize utility. http://qtparted.sourceforge.net/faq.en.html |
| 01:16.05 | gravity | Afterwards maybe |
| 01:16.10 | unstable | erhanr |
| 01:16.10 | abrotman | gravity: oh that's what i was going to ask you |
| 01:16.22 | gravity | uh oh |
| 01:16.22 | erhanr | ok thanks i ll look there unstable |
| 01:16.33 | abrotman | gravity: there's a package from happypenguin.org called GLOBS .. would that be a better "benchmark" than glxgears? |
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| 01:17.02 | mike-_- | hm, trying to mount a hfs+ with the modules build inn, need write support, mounted it yesterday but only with read, could not force write either, not that i tried verry hard, but hfs+ is hpfs or under regular hfs? |
| 01:17.30 | gravity | abrotman: No idea |
| 01:17.38 | abrotman | gravity: let me find the url |
| 01:17.53 | unstable | !hfs |
| 01:17.53 | dpkg | methinks hfs is the Apple Hierarchial File System, the default filesystem on the Mac OS. HFS+, which appeared in MacOS 8.1 and later, supports smaller block sizes, and UNIX-like features such as symlinks and device stubs. Tools for dealing with either filesystem are in the "hfsutils" and "hfsplus" Debian packages. It's also said to be the Horrible File System, or HOLY FUCKEN SHIT |
| 01:18.07 | scarynetworkguy | Yay, for benchmarks that have nothing to do with the real world!! |
| 01:18.08 | alfa000110101 | why I can't type in accentuated letters to work in debian that work in winxp? |
| 01:18.13 | unstable | mike-_- |
| 01:18.14 | abrotman | gravity: http://globs.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 01:18.34 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: obviously .. but still better(maybe?) than people going "I only get 12fps in glxgears" |
| 01:18.37 | unstable | !tell alfa000110101 about repeat |
| 01:18.47 | mike-_- | hm, and right infront if me e see in big writing , if u say y here you will b able to mount extended machintosh formatted hard drive partitions with full rad-write access |
| 01:18.47 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Hehe. Fair enough. |
| 01:19.34 | mike-_- | hehe thanks unstable |
| 01:19.38 | gravity | abrotman: Maybe. It doesn't look like they have much to do with benchmarking despite the name. The about page says they're just demo apps |
| 01:20.13 | mike-_- | odd that i could not write to it yesterday then |
| 01:20.16 | abrotman | gravity: they give scores for different tests . and you (eventually i guess) have the ability to submit the results |
| 01:20.21 | mike-_- | oh well |
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| 01:20.58 | gravity | abrotman: I dunno. I don't really know much of anything about benchmarking |
| 01:21.04 | abrotman | okeedokee |
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| 01:21.41 | alfa000110101 | I mean, if I password protect a file in windows, and the password HAS accentuation like õ ã ê, in linux it doesn't accepts it, even though the keyboard is configured and I can write accentuation on linux. It seems like the accentuation is a different character for each OS. help anyone? |
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| 01:25.11 | scarynetworkguy | Yep, gravity is better. But we already knew that. |
| 01:25.30 | erhanr | :) i didnt want that qtparted |
| 01:25.33 | abrotman | gravity: NEXT TIME I WIN! |
| 01:25.50 | Azar | scarynetworkguy: that is not nice, don't you have something more of substance to discuss? |
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| 01:26.03 | scarynetworkguy | HAH!! |
| 01:26.03 | abrotman | says the guy who compiles all his apps ... |
| 01:26.14 | w32 | Hey I have a new debian sarge install that I installed otrs on I did not set up the mail system during installation because I was unsure as to which way to go with it, I'd like for it to forward all internal mail to a pop3/smtp server across the wan that requires authentication- I intend to make the system accessible to clients by using some sort of dynamic dns service ( but that's another thing) my isp will block sendmail so is ther |
| 01:26.54 | mpoer | okay, so the device (mp3 player) is plugged into my computer, but I don't know what to look for in /dev any suggestions? |
| 01:26.54 | Azar | w32: change the ISP |
| 01:27.13 | scarynetworkguy | Azar: The reason that's so funny is because abrotman and I are really good friends. Somehow I really doubt he needs you to tell his friend who is giving him a bit of friendly teasing to "be nice". |
| 01:27.14 | unstable | w32: dns service ( but that's another thing) my isp will block sendmail so is ther... is all we saw...you go cut off for message being too long. |
| 01:27.23 | scarynetworkguy | Yay, for PC cops. |
| 01:27.25 | mpoer | I was thinking sdXX, like a usb storage device, but it isn't |
| 01:27.26 | w32 | ohh |
| 01:27.28 | w32 | sorry |
| 01:27.38 | litage | does it matter if you don't specify the broadcast address in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 01:27.50 | Azar | scarynetworkguy: not everyone here knows about your friends |
| 01:27.58 | gravity | heh |
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| 01:28.04 | w32 | I setup otrs on a new debian install-during which I skipped the mail setup |
| 01:28.09 | mike-_- | oh my , well that explains it, both hfs partitions have crashed |
| 01:28.12 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: lick my boots you lovely OpenBSD stud! |
| 01:28.18 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: YAY!! |
| 01:28.39 | w32 | I'd like to set it up so that the internal mail forwards to another smtp/pop3 server |
| 01:28.47 | unstable | !tell SonnyBurnett about qtparted |
| 01:28.54 | michal_ | hi. anyone have any idea if it's possible to growisofs files from a remote system over ssh (in order to burn them with growisofs on the local machine) |
| 01:29.11 | w32 | My isp will block sendmail is there some other package i should use |
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| 01:29.29 | scarynetworkguy | Azar: So you just assumed that abrotman needed you to fight his battles? Cause he's such a shrkinking violet and stuff? |
| 01:29.32 | abrotman | use a smarthost |
| 01:29.50 | SonnyBurnett | unstable, I think that qtparted cannot manage LVM |
| 01:30.19 | michal_ | i've googled and i cannot find any useful information about growisofs over ssh :/ |
| 01:30.22 | erhanr | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:30.28 | SonnyBurnett | unstable, my swap is a LV (logical volume) inside my VG (volume group) |
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| 01:32.27 | ootput | hi guys, is there a way for me to tell emacs: in c-mode, if i use: if, else, printf, brackets, curly braces; to automatically insert a space after it? |
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| 01:33.27 | unstable | ootput: /join #emacs and ask them |
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| 01:34.55 | michal_ | i havn't been able to come up with anything better than this and it fails :/ |
| 01:34.58 | michal_ | ssh cope tar jcvf - /var/lib/mysql /var/lib/tomcat/webapps/esmart /usr/local/java /home/andico | mkisofs -R -J -stream-media-size 2288576 | growisofs -Z /dev/hdc -V COPE_`date +%F` |
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| 01:36.04 | SonnyBurnett | Hi, can I use the partition manager (that we use with the installer of Debian) ???? What its name? or it is just intended to use at installation moment |
| 01:36.15 | w32 | abortman: should i then use the option for no local mail |
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| 01:36.21 | unstable | !qtparted SonnyBurnett |
| 01:36.27 | unstable | er |
| 01:36.28 | w32 | or received by smtp or fetchmail |
| 01:36.33 | unstable | qtparted isn't the one from debian |
| 01:36.36 | SonnyBurnett | unstable, again? |
| 01:36.41 | unstable | !qtparted |
| 01:36.41 | dpkg | i heard qtparted is a program for Linux which is used for creating, destroying, resizing and managing partitions. It uses the GNU Parted libraries and is built with the Qt toolkit. Unlike GNU Parted, it has inherent support for the resizing of NTFS partitions, using the ntfsresize utility. http://qtparted.sourceforge.net/faq.en.html |
| 01:36.47 | liable | SonnyBurnett: its called partman, and i dont think its available as a package |
| 01:37.23 | w32 | !smarthost |
| 01:37.24 | dpkg | well, smarthost is an SMTP relay. Mail-Administrator-HOWTO is at tldp.org |
| 01:37.31 | liable | SonnyBurnett: cfdisk is pretty nice though |
| 01:37.36 | SonnyBurnett | liable, thanks, I wanted to use it ... because is the only frontend I see to manage LVM |
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| 01:37.54 | SonnyBurnett | liable, does it manage LVM? |
| 01:37.55 | br1 | I'm getting 'No partiotionable media' in my notebook. I think it could be the hd drivers. Why doesn't it download them automatically? |
| 01:38.18 | michal_ | oops. forgot the -- |
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| 01:38.26 | Azar | news: vim author got a job at Google... will keep on working at vim but less than before |
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| 01:38.49 | tung | is there an easy to way to install truetype fonts in debian? |
| 01:38.56 | tung | apt-get truetype? |
| 01:39.29 | menko | tung: search for ttf and you should get some |
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| 01:40.21 | liable | SonnyBurnett: manage? it can set the partition type to raid-autodetect, vut thats all it does (cfdisk) |
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| 01:41.21 | w32 | !qmail |
| 01:41.21 | dpkg | it has been said that qmail is a non-free (it's illegal to distribute modified binaries) MTA by djb, or http://www.qmail.org/, or for good getting-started docs see LWQ: http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html, or an MTA that insists on having 3.4 million configuration files spread throughout the filesystem. for reasons why you shouldn't use qmail, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-isp/2004/02/msg00179.html or ... |
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| 01:42.18 | w32 | !exim |
| 01:42.18 | dpkg | exim is a message transfer agent developed at University of Cambridge for use on Unix systems connected to the internet. Freely available under the GPL. It is similar to Smail 3. http://www.exim.org, very much like sendmail, including security holes all over the place, consider switching to exim4 for security and speed improvements, or to clean the mail queue and delete pending e-mail, use "mailq | awk '{print $3}' | xargs exim -Mrm" |
| 01:42.37 | w32 | !exim4 |
| 01:42.37 | dpkg | from memory, exim4 is an easy to configure and also powerfull MTA licensed under the GPL, a great sendmail replacement. apt-get able debs for woody are available at http://www.logic.univie.ac.at/~ametzler/debian/exim4manpages/, or set to have ident checking on by default, which will slow down connect times drastically. See /etc/exim4/conf.d/main/02_exim4-config_options for the fix |
| 01:42.59 | liable | w32: can you do that in private /msg with dpkg please? |
| 01:43.16 | w32 | liable:sure sorry |
| 01:43.22 | liable | np |
| 01:43.25 | SonnyBurnett | Can I use the dpkg locally in my PC? |
| 01:43.27 | w32 | didn;t mean to flood |
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| 01:44.11 | Boukensya | hey guys, I am having a problem with apache2. Basically I host a webserver with a bunch of websites on it. Their home directy has a stats directory with webalizer information and their logs to compile the stats directory (error.log, access.log) If a client deletes this directory it crashes (can't load logs) Is there a way that I can make apache recreate these logs? or ignore these errors? |
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| 01:44.49 | mhall | Azar: somehow i think the world won't notice much; vim is obsolete anyways |
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| 01:45.13 | Boukensya | I basically want it to continue loading if it can't load the files, and not crash |
| 01:45.26 | Boukensya | I mean it doesn't crash, just stops loading |
| 01:45.31 | unstable | Boukensya: Just chmod the directory so they can't delete it. |
| 01:45.40 | unstable | Boukensya: or /join #apache |
| 01:45.43 | michal_ | what is /dev/fd/0 ?////////////////////////// |
| 01:46.00 | Boukensya | unstable: what would I chmod it to? 744? |
| 01:46.04 | cjaymes | first floppy drive |
| 01:46.11 | mhall | ~tell michal_ about ep |
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| 01:46.34 | cshaman | anyone here having trouble with centericq |
| 01:46.42 | michal_ | nd why would many people be burning dvd's to the first floppy drive?/ |
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| 01:47.03 | mhall | Boukensya: write permission on a dir allows removal of contents, even if you don't have write permission to the contents |
| 01:47.27 | Bucciarati | cshaman: bitlbee is a good replacement for centericq |
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| 01:48.17 | Gnub- | any1 ever mess with mounting a FTP's directories? i think i need "FUSE" filesystem in user space? |
| 01:48.45 | Bucciarati | Gnub-: /msg dpkg any1 |
| 01:48.46 | michal_ | mhall: vnc is to blame for the repetition. it usually repeats the unshifted value of any shifted character until you hit the next key. bug in this version i think |
| 01:48.47 | Bucciarati | Gnub-: /msg dpkg fuse |
| 01:49.00 | roby | I've changed my comp time to the past, now sudo is bitching about a timestamp in the future... sudo -K and sudo -k still do the bitching, what can i do? |
| 01:49.25 | zamolxes | !lufs |
| 01:49.26 | dpkg | methinks lufs is a hybrid userspace file system framework, which allows you to mount into your file hierarchy a remote computer's file system, which is accessible by various means (ftp, ssh, etc.). See http://lufs.sourceforge.net/lufs/, or apt-cache show lufs-{source,utils} |
| 01:49.27 | roby | sorry for profanity if this is considered such :) |
| 01:49.28 | Bucciarati | dpkg has no fuse info ? it used to have some time ago? |
| 01:49.32 | mhall | michal_: oof |
| 01:49.47 | michal_ | oof? |
| 01:49.56 | mhall | !tell Gnub- about kioslaves |
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| 01:52.01 | mike-_- | huhm, hpmount: /dev/hda2: This is not a HFS+ volume ( uknown error 4294967295 ) but but but i just i just formated and reinstalled darwin on it and and i formated the other using newfs_hfs |
| 01:52.10 | michal_ | cjaymes: seems /dev/fd has NOTHING to do with floppy drives |
| 01:52.39 | michal_ | f anything fd stands for file descriptor |
| 01:53.07 | mpoer | usbview says that my mp3 player is connected, but interface: (none). how do I give it an interface? |
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| 01:54.16 | unstable | mpoer: What does fdisk -l give you? |
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| 01:55.13 | unity | hello. i just installed debian today, where can i get an up-to-date example of what my /etc/apt/sources.list file should look like? because i could not find mplayer in the repos |
| 01:55.16 | mpoer | 'command not found' |
| 01:55.29 | Coweater | !mplayer |
| 01:55.29 | dpkg | i heard mplayer is not packaged by debian for complicated reasons, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. see <mplayer legal saga> |
| 01:56.11 | mpoer | er... sudo fdisk -l gives me: |
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| 01:56.12 | unstable | unity: What version of debian are you running? |
| 01:56.28 | mpoer | dev/hda1 * 1 593 4763241 83 Linux |
| 01:56.29 | mpoer | /dev/hda2 594 623 240975 5 Extended |
| 01:56.29 | mpoer | /dev/hda5 594 623 240943+ 82 Linux swap / Solaris |
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| 01:56.33 | unity | unstable, 3.1r1 |
| 01:56.41 | unity | unstable, which is stable |
| 01:56.43 | unstable | !tell unity about marillat.sarge |
| 01:56.56 | Atrocity | how do i force debian to update all of it's software? |
| 01:57.07 | abrotman | what isn't it updating? |
| 01:57.27 | Gnub- | can u mount ftp shares with samba? |
| 01:57.34 | unstable | !marillat.sarge |
| 01:57.34 | dpkg | i heard marillat.sarge is type echo "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sarge main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; as root to add the marillat repository if you are using debian/3.1 |
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| 01:57.47 | unstable | Atrocity: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 01:57.58 | abrotman | unstable: what if he's not using etch/sid ? |
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| 01:58.26 | unstable | abrotman: 03:56 < unity> unstable, 3.1r1 |
| 01:58.44 | abrotman | unstable: i wasn't talking to unity |
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| 01:59.09 | abrotman | unstable: or rather .. not talkinga bout |
| 01:59.09 | djs_2_6 | Hey all. On newest stable version of Debian, and am trying to install the new nvidia drivers. I am getting an error that starts with "Unable to find the kernel source tree for the currently running kernel." Can anyone please help? |
| 01:59.18 | unstable | abrotman: Then if he is using etch/sid he should know this command already. |
| 01:59.28 | unstable | !tell djs_2_6 about nvidia one liner |
| 01:59.28 | abrotman | not necessairly |
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| 02:00.12 | djs_2_6 | unstable - Thank you for that, but I am trying to install the drivers FROM Nvidia, not the ones already in Debian... |
| 02:00.15 | silensius | find /home/silensius/mp3/ -iname "*.mp3" -exec mp32ogg mv /home/silensius/ogg/ {} \; is this correct il will after move files to ogg directory |
| 02:00.33 | chealer9 | djs_2_6: at which step? |
| 02:00.48 | chealer9 | !tell djs_2_6 about nvidia-installer |
| 02:00.54 | abrotman | djs_2_6: did you actually read that? |
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| 02:01.10 | chealer9 | djs_2_6: sorry for the question, I thought you were doing it the Debian way |
| 02:01.19 | Red_Cloud | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:02.33 | SonnyBurnett | I tried use Qtparted. but I cant extend my swap LV, how can I delete it and create it again and mount it as swap partition? |
| 02:02.48 | djs_2_6 | abrotman , chealer, unstable - On the first install of debian where I installed the desktop profile, the nvidia drivers installed fine, but I went base install this time, and have been adding items as needed. I downloaded the 8178 drivers from Nvidia, sh'ed the file, and got that error. |
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| 02:03.26 | chealer9 | djs_2_6: sorry, nvidia-installer isn't supported here |
| 02:04.02 | blafd | damn |
| 02:04.04 | abrotman | he could ask #nvidia |
| 02:04.17 | blafd | i was just gona ask about the same thing |
| 02:04.40 | blafd | but it triggered a problem with the nvidia installer when i upgraded to 2.6 |
| 02:04.43 | blafd | 2.6.16 |
| 02:05.02 | mike-_- | argh, hfs |
| 02:05.03 | blafd | and now i cant get the kernel-headers upgraded with a cufufle |
| 02:05.39 | djs_2_6 | chealer9 - So, does that mean that no one knows, or that you are not supposed to help me? |
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| 02:06.29 | chealer9 | djs_2_6: heh, it means at least that you are not supposed to use nvidia-installer on Debian...and that we're not supposed to help you with it here neither |
| 02:07.56 | liable | Red_Cloud: make it just like the examples say. ipp://192.168.1.3/ipp/ and you need to edit the cupsd.conf on the host machine |
| 02:09.45 | kensai | blafd, nvidia driver does not support kernel 2.6.16 yet |
| 02:09.52 | Red_Cloud | liable, thanks for the reply. Should the address ipp://192.168.1.3/ipp/ be ended with the location of /dev/lp0 ? or just be inserted as you gave it "complete"? |
| 02:09.57 | blafd | aw |
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| 02:10.10 | mike-_- | who needs an os anyway. a blinking cursor i ahould be enough for everybody |
| 02:10.23 | blafd | back to generic X i go |
| 02:10.26 | liable | Red_Cloud: thats it. with the ip being the host computers ip. |
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| 02:11.35 | Red_Cloud | liable, thanks |
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| 02:12.27 | liable | Red_Cloud: you have to modify the cupsd.conf on the host though to allow it to be accessed. |
| 02:12.54 | liable | Red_Cloud: iirc theres an ok howto on debian administration web site |
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| 02:13.51 | lzhang | if I install package ntp-server, does that mean my box now responds to ntp requests? |
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| 02:14.50 | kensai | I need to use kernel 2.6.15 until nvidia driver gets updated bah |
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| 02:15.56 | kensai | but I love the way every release of nvidia driver fixes many things and adds many new features |
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| 02:16.28 | Holborn | kensai: there's a patch for the nvidia drivers in the nvidia linux forum |
| 02:16.38 | SonnyBurnett | hi, what pkg do I need to execute gst-streamer? |
| 02:16.43 | kensai | I shall look to it |
| 02:16.57 | SonnyBurnett | Im' sorry correcting: what pkg do I need to execute gst-register? |
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| 02:18.35 | hippie | hola a todos |
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| 02:18.45 | hippie | alguien habla castellano |
| 02:18.46 | zamolxes | !es |
| 02:18.46 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 02:19.13 | chealer9 | !tell SonnyBurnett about find gst-register |
| 02:19.42 | hippie | como hago |
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| 02:20.41 | zamolxes | hagogood |
| 02:21.31 | SonnyBurnett | chealer9, Ihave this pkg but I cant execute: #gst-register |
| 02:22.33 | chealer9 | SonnyBurnett: perhaps there's no such command in Debian? |
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| 02:23.06 | roby | I just added my login to the 'family' group, how can I be in the group now without having to logout and log back in? |
| 02:23.26 | SonnyBurnett | chealer9, My " Volume Control" doent work... so it ask me to execute this command, but I cant find it |
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| 02:24.46 | chealer9 | SonnyBurnett: do you think executing gst-register-0.8 instead would do as well? |
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| 02:25.54 | SonnyBurnett | chealer9, :$ thanks man |
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| 02:26.52 | liable | Red_Cloud: you cant |
| 02:27.23 | liable | err |
| 02:27.27 | liable | roby: ^^ |
| 02:27.39 | roby | liable: k thanks |
| 02:28.20 | SonnyBurnett | is it possible to use the Help of "dpkg" in my PC? |
| 02:28.39 | liable | the bot? |
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| 02:29.37 | SonnyBurnett | liable, Yep I heard that its possible... I forgot to take note of the web page |
| 02:29.53 | juice` | is there any tool under debian to turn off laptop monitor under console? |
| 02:30.20 | juice` | i downloaded apm and such, but there is nothing there about lcd monitor |
| 02:30.25 | juice` | only suspend/sleep modes |
| 02:30.53 | nnlinux | what is the package name for an xchat server |
| 02:31.27 | nnlinux | can't find it with apt-cache search |
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| 02:32.15 | nnlinux | is there a switch that you have to hit to set the aplication xchat to serv?? |
| 02:32.23 | unstable | nnlinux: apt-cache search ircd |
| 02:32.25 | liable | SonnyBurnett: i dont think it would be easy. you can download the factoid database though |
| 02:33.21 | SonnyBurnett | liable: yeah yeah... this is what I heard... how can I do it? |
| 02:33.29 | unstable | !ircd |
| 02:33.30 | dpkg | somebody said ircd was An IRCD (Internet Relay Chat Daemon) is a computer program to create an IRC server on which people can talk to each other via the Internet. |
| 02:33.47 | liable | !tell SonnyBurnett about your factoids |
| 02:33.48 | SonnyBurnett | ? |
| 02:34.01 | nnlinux | so is xchat a ircd cielent |
| 02:34.14 | nnlinux | ?? |
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| 02:34.40 | zamolxes | nnlinux: sure it is |
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| 02:35.27 | nnlinux | but i see at least 3 difrent demon packeges of ircd |
| 02:35.37 | zamolxes | nnlinux: read this http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1459.txt |
| 02:35.50 | SonnyBurnett | liable, if I download the factoid... what i |
| 02:35.51 | zamolxes | it will come to you |
| 02:36.00 | SonnyBurnett | liable, if I download the factoid... how is it useful for me? |
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| 02:36.31 | nnlinux | ngircd , ircd-ircu , rageircd |
| 02:36.44 | nnlinux | which one |
| 02:36.49 | nnlinux | ?? |
| 02:37.05 | juice` | is there any tool under debian to turn off laptop monitor under console? |
| 02:37.17 | zamolxes | wth |
| 02:38.06 | cshaman | any of you dudes know of musical notation software for linux? |
| 02:38.20 | nnlinux | there is plenty |
| 02:38.27 | gravity | cshaman: lillypad is a popular one, iirc |
| 02:38.49 | nnlinux | i think rosegarden is one im not shore thoe |
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| 02:39.45 | liable | SonnyBurnett: you could grep it for info you want, but there is a *lot* of crap in there. |
| 02:39.45 | nnlinux | and install timidity to play your midis |
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| 02:40.24 | debian | What is the command to test the IDE rw speed again? |
| 02:40.29 | ecdemo | SonnyBurnett: do you sometimes hear music by Jan Hammer surrounding you? :) |
| 02:40.53 | dbindner_ | cshaman: Not free, but there is also mup: http://www.arkkra.com/ |
| 02:41.09 | cshaman | gravity, dbindner_: thanks |
| 02:41.16 | SonnyBurnett | ecdemo, yep :p |
| 02:41.26 | nnlinux | got to go bye |
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| 02:41.43 | debian | besides bonnie++? |
| 02:42.00 | SonnyBurnett | ecdemo, you catch me :( I'm suppossed to be undercover |
| 02:42.06 | liable | hdparm?? |
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| 02:43.26 | ecdemo | yaknow, he really did wanna hang out with you two... you kinda snubbed him |
| 02:43.32 | ecdemo | :) |
| 02:44.56 | ecdemo | anyways... when I run the grub shell, it sometimes reverses my drives (from hd0=hda, hd1=sda to the reverse) |
| 02:45.12 | ecdemo | any way I can prevent that from happening? |
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| 02:46.04 | bipolar | is the encrypted password string in /etc/shadow the same as what would be in /etc/passwd if shadow passwords were not used? |
| 02:46.14 | debian | liable: yes, thanks a lot, I forgot the command |
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| 02:48.01 | abrotman | no |
| 02:48.05 | abrotman | erm |
| 02:48.22 | abrotman | bipolar: there are md5 and crypt .. ideally your system would never use crypt |
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| 02:49.06 | ecdemo | some how that interacts with pam? |
| 02:49.14 | bipolar | abrotman: so they use diffrent encryption? I need to merge them so I can convert the accouts to ldap. Seems the padl scripts only do /etc/passwd. |
| 02:49.32 | gfx | how can I change the mouse wheel sensitivity for GTK apps like firefox, it doesnt seem to obey KDE's Control center? |
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| 02:49.37 | ecdemo | maybe they have to set their passwd again |
| 02:49.42 | abrotman | padl ? |
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| 02:50.13 | bipolar | abrotman: padl.com.... the ldap migration scripts. |
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| 02:50.29 | abrotman | oh |
| 02:50.45 | mike-_- | LOL well thats a new one, Memory allocation error (0xdeadbeef, 0x0) |
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| 02:52.37 | mike-_- | but if i dont tuch anything darwin boots |
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| 02:53.56 | ecdemo | do debian kernel packages have effect on grub config file? |
| 02:54.16 | abrotman | depends |
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| 02:54.47 | ecdemo | what do you need to know in order to elaborate? |
| 02:55.48 | unity | what is the best way of getting new widget sets and windows decorations for kde? |
| 02:56.42 | abrotman | ecdemo: it's easy to tell .. look in /boot/grub/menu.lst .. see an entry for the new kernel ? |
| 02:57.00 | cheal | unity: ask #debian-kde |
| 02:57.14 | ecdemo | unfortunately my situation is a little different... |
| 02:57.31 | unity | cheal, ok thanx, i did not know about that channel |
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| 02:57.44 | abrotman | ecdemo: then perhaps you should elaborate :) |
| 02:58.12 | ecdemo | I have a laptop with an internal drive that I want to let windows "own"... I have a second drive I bought which I placed in a usb enclosure... |
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| 02:58.51 | ecdemo | I made a mistake when installing debian on the external drive, which was to install grub on the internal drive (oops...) |
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| 02:59.20 | ecdemo | so it's right now not possible to boot without the external drive |
| 02:59.56 | ecdemo | since the mbr on the laptop internal points at a grub -somewhere- |
| 02:59.56 | rredd4 | Anyone have experience setting up alsa for multiple users? I have to type alsaconf to get sound each time they log in. |
| 03:00.09 | abrotman | ecdemo: that is certainly an oops :) |
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| 03:00.23 | MrNaz | does debian sarge have support for standard ide dual layer DVD burners? |
| 03:00.36 | abrotman | which dvd standard :) |
| 03:01.00 | MrNaz | those benq and liteon ones that you can buy for like $40 these days |
| 03:01.04 | zinx | MrNaz: yes |
| 03:01.09 | MrNaz | zinx thanks |
| 03:01.15 | MrNaz | im building a backup server for use with amanda |
| 03:01.16 | ecdemo | yeah, I want to gradually get myself out of that, so that if I arrange to boot from usb, then it runs grub that is wholly contained on the external drive... and if I arrange to boot from the internal drive, it just boots win |
| 03:01.42 | abrotman | ecdemo: ok .. so what do you want to know? |
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| 03:01.54 | ecdemo | overall, how to get to that result |
| 03:02.20 | ecdemo | when I try to install grub on the external, neither of the boots work properly |
| 03:02.32 | ecdemo | but the grub when booted from the internal works fine |
| 03:02.33 | abrotman | you'll probably have to use a windows disc to use the fixmbr .. or wahtever it is .. |
| 03:02.55 | abrotman | ecdemo: wait .. does grub work if the external drive is plugged in ? |
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| 03:03.37 | ecdemo | it might, I would guess yes... however, depending on which drive is actually booted from, it either works or doesn't |
| 03:03.50 | ecdemo | but I may be guessing on some of this |
| 03:04.03 | ecdemo | I could try several boots and verify all results |
| 03:04.07 | abrotman | you might want to test that :) |
| 03:04.19 | abrotman | if you can make grub work on the USB drive .. then that's one step |
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| 03:04.33 | abrotman | the next step will be restoring the windows bootloader to the internal drive |
| 03:04.35 | ecdemo | yes, that's the main goal |
| 03:04.48 | ecdemo | and that would complete it |
| 03:05.00 | abrotman | i think so .. assuming your BIOS can boot from USB |
| 03:05.09 | likeafox | Is there a way to pick which window manager starts up with a parameter to the startx script? |
| 03:05.13 | ecdemo | yes, already know that |
| 03:05.26 | abrotman | !.xinitrc |
| 03:05.26 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, .xinitrc is actually ~/.xinitrc, which is used for running X as startx, and ~/.xsession is for when using X from a Display Manager like xdm or kdm. discouraged in Debian, as if you just use ~/.xsession it will work from both startx and the display manager, as documented in startx(1) |
| 03:05.30 | likeafox | like 'startx -- -gnome-session' or something |
| 03:05.42 | abrotman | likeafox: oh .. man startx |
| 03:06.30 | mike-_- | hum, when writing to a hfs volume , the partition crashes, also crashs if i even tuch it with linux like mount it |
| 03:07.06 | cshaman | anyone know of musical notation software similar to finale for windows? |
| 03:07.21 | ecdemo | finale for windows. |
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| 03:07.26 | mike-_- | lol |
| 03:07.27 | cshaman | i tried lilypond but it only accepts textual input |
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| 03:07.40 | Azar | cshman try modarchive |
| 03:07.47 | ecdemo | I'm guessing that would at least be similar :) |
| 03:07.58 | abrotman | cshaman: uhm .. i saw one |
| 03:08.08 | abrotman | Azar: wtf |
| 03:08.23 | Azar | ? |
| 03:08.29 | abrotman | Azar: do you just spout useless stuff? |
| 03:08.35 | mike-_- | argh, ill burn the fucking fils to a cd and copy em over that way HFS |
| 03:09.00 | Azar | abrotman I do not understand what you mean |
| 03:09.05 | abrotman | of course you don't |
| 03:09.24 | abrotman | cshaman: what input do you want? |
| 03:09.27 | Azar | I am sorry if your friend did not manage to crush me |
| 03:09.27 | ecdemo | I don't think any oss program has great music -editing- capability... right now the big boys have that part down (cubase, logic, etc) |
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| 03:09.43 | cshaman | abrotman: i want to use the mouse to place notes on screen |
| 03:09.53 | ecdemo | rosegarden? |
| 03:09.56 | abrotman | Azar: i can have him come back if you want |
| 03:10.05 | Azar | cshman ah sorry I thought you look for a theme |
| 03:10.11 | ecdemo | still it's not great on ease of editing |
| 03:10.19 | Azar | abrotman, glad to see him back |
| 03:11.21 | ecdemo | one thing you definitely won't see, is ability to -open- finale, logic, etc files |
| 03:11.40 | abrotman | cshaman: gnometab ? lilypad ? songwrite ? noteedit ? |
| 03:12.31 | ecdemo | hmm, new stuff. I should look at those |
| 03:12.36 | ron_ | help plz no screen error |
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| 03:13.02 | ecdemo | if you didn't get a screen error, what's wrong? |
| 03:13.28 | flaco | hi... i got sound in the console.. the beep.... but gnome dont play sound.... the sound card is a intel 810 AC97 |
| 03:13.30 | ron_ | help plz "no screen error" |
| 03:13.49 | liable | !drxx ron_ |
| 03:13.50 | dpkg | ron_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 03:14.35 | ron_ | i tried that :/ |
| 03:14.53 | ecdemo | don't you want to be a sicco yet? |
| 03:14.55 | abrotman | !no screens |
| 03:14.57 | abrotman | !no screens found |
| 03:14.57 | dpkg | no screens found is NOT a useful message - it means XFree86 has a problem SOMEWHERE with SOMETHING. Read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log more closely, and look for the REAL error, which probably begins with (EE), or - ask me about "troubleshooting x". |
| 03:15.18 | ron_ | ah ty |
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| 03:15.46 | abrotman | cshaman: one of those work? |
| 03:16.21 | unity | mplayer fails to find any sound cards. i get this problem: alsa-init: no soundcards found. do i need to install more packages? |
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| 03:16.47 | abrotman | are you using alsa ? |
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| 03:17.26 | gfx | which is better an imac G5 dual-C or a clone with debian? |
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| 03:17.47 | unity | abrotman, how can i check? |
| 03:18.08 | abrotman | gfx: a clone? |
| 03:18.13 | ecdemo | which is better for you? what does 'better' mean to you? is it good butter when it's mo bettah? |
| 03:18.15 | unity | abrotman, here is a line from ps -A: 3352 ? 00:00:18 artsd |
| 03:18.23 | abrotman | bah .. artsd |
| 03:18.28 | abrotman | !alsa-checklist |
| 03:18.28 | dpkg | alsa-checklist is probably 1) run alsaconf 2) add your user to the audio group 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
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| 03:19.17 | gfx | abrotman: an IBM pc dual core clone.. |
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| 03:19.35 | abrotman | gfx: so you want to know if x86 is better than x86 ? |
| 03:19.35 | likeafox | I get that no screens error on my other computer, but it could be the screen is just bad? It only displays the green channel in bios mode |
| 03:20.00 | h0nus | hello |
| 03:20.19 | Azar | cshman there is also the Mux2D with a gui frontend |
| 03:20.28 | gfx | abrotman: technically no, the specs of a g5 are diff from a clone |
| 03:20.36 | mike-_- | an ibm compatible pc ? oh where |
| 03:20.37 | abrotman | Azar: that would work if you got the right nick |
| 03:20.48 | ecdemo | wait, he said g5 |
| 03:20.48 | abrotman | gfx: oh . i'm sorry .. g5 .. |
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| 03:20.54 | gfx | abrotman: x86 and x86 yes there are manay x86's around |
| 03:21.01 | abrotman | gfx: it depends on your usage i guess |
| 03:21.03 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman!! Azar hurt my feelings!! |
| 03:21.21 | ecdemo | wooo woooo wooo feeeeeelings |
| 03:21.22 | h0nus | is anyone here familiar with a program called hydra? |
| 03:21.22 | gfx | abrotman: Desktop, Games, Movies, Audio, |
| 03:21.25 | mike-_- | yep, 8086. 286. 386 486 586 686 686x64 |
| 03:21.29 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: you should kick him in the nuts! |
| 03:21.36 | scarynetworkguy | Yay! |
| 03:21.59 | Azar | ah... I seem to have lost that guy.. not on my screen anymore what a shame |
| 03:22.00 | abrotman | gfx: in #debianppc .. they'll tell you ppc is better .. i personally think apple charges too mmuch for hardware |
| 03:22.08 | unstable | !tell h0nus about anyone |
| 03:22.25 | mike-_- | linux and ppc ive heard is awsome |
| 03:22.34 | ecdemo | saw hydra at a linux world once |
| 03:22.36 | cshaman | abrotman: noteedit worked |
| 03:22.38 | cshaman | thanks |
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| 03:22.50 | ecdemo | I wasn't quite sure what it was |
| 03:22.51 | abrotman | cshaman: glad to hear |
| 03:22.55 | h0nus | ok rephrase-- i am having trouble installing hydra and could use some help |
| 03:22.59 | mike-_- | its probably about time i got a mac . . . |
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| 03:23.12 | ecdemo | big? |
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| 03:23.29 | flaco | pecoso:~# alsaconf |
| 03:23.29 | flaco | bash: alsaconf: command not found |
| 03:23.45 | abrotman | install it |
| 03:23.49 | unstable | flaco: apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils |
| 03:23.55 | liable | flaco: you have alsa-utils and alsa-base installed? |
| 03:23.59 | ecdemo | tu all beef patties special sause lettuice cheese pickles onions on a sesame seed bun? |
| 03:24.00 | flaco | yes |
| 03:24.05 | abrotman | two ? |
| 03:24.14 | flaco | the console beep sounds... |
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| 03:24.31 | mike-_- | beep it back! |
| 03:24.41 | flaco | but... gnome dont |
| 03:24.42 | unstable | !tell h0nus about ask |
| 03:24.45 | unstable | h0nus: What is hydra? |
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| 03:24.58 | Azar | irc client? |
| 03:24.58 | ecdemo | oss app server? |
| 03:25.05 | h0nus | hydra is a security tool |
| 03:25.06 | dougiefresh | whats the easiest way to move the datadir for mysql? |
| 03:25.17 | unstable | Azar: For windows? |
| 03:25.34 | Azar | unstable: I do not know, just saw the logo on some parts messages |
| 03:25.51 | unstable | dougiefresh: maybe ask in #mysql |
| 03:25.56 | dougiefresh | I have nothing in mysql right now, is there a configure option using dpkg or something that I can specify the new datadir and to have it configured? |
| 03:26.15 | ecdemo | ok, so let's see what this thing does when I boot without the drive on, then try booting from the external with it on |
| 03:26.31 | bipolar | w00t! All my accounts are converted to ldap! |
| 03:27.33 | Stevie-O | what were they before? |
| 03:27.38 | Stevie-O | hdap? |
| 03:27.43 | abrotman | dougiefresh: dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server ? |
| 03:27.57 | bipolar | flat files.. /etc/passwd /etc/shadow, and smbpasswd |
| 03:28.19 | bipolar | now for the scotch... |
| 03:28.24 | dougiefresh | abrotman tried that, it doesn't allow you to specify anything |
| 03:28.32 | abrotman | tried -plow ? |
| 03:29.23 | gfx | how secure am I on a ubuntu? |
| 03:29.32 | gfx | is it secure that a DEBIAN? |
| 03:29.39 | h0nus | unstable: for hydra, when i type "./configure" i find that there are modules not present |
| 03:29.43 | Azar | gfx ask the ubuntu team? |
| 03:29.45 | gfx | debian "sarge" is way to obsolete |
| 03:29.57 | gfx | i want Xorg |
| 03:30.12 | likeafox | sarge is tested and true, seems to me |
| 03:30.13 | gravity | gfx: /topic |
| 03:30.18 | abrotman | !tell gfx about sarge xorg |
| 03:30.23 | abrotman | !tell gfx about xorg sarge |
| 03:30.36 | h0nus | unstable: specifically sapr3 and libssh |
| 03:30.37 | abrotman | dpkg: sarge xorg is <reply>see xorg sarge |
| 03:30.37 | dpkg | ...but sarge xorg is already something else... |
| 03:30.39 | abrotman | bah |
| 03:31.18 | gfx | how do I 1:1 copy my ext3 HDD I want to migrate my os on a larger HDD |
| 03:31.20 | h0nus | unstable: i was able to apt-get libssh but even after installing, the hydra config doesn't recognize it |
| 03:31.29 | debian | !debian |
| 03:31.29 | dpkg | well, debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
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| 03:33.26 | bipolar | gfx: you can't do a 1:1 copy, it would mess up the partitions. create file system on new hard drive and use tar. |
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| 03:33.49 | h0nus | unstable: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10887 |
| 03:34.04 | abrotman | h0nus: are you running ubuntu ? |
| 03:34.08 | gfx | bipolar: I sould compress all my files> |
| 03:34.32 | h0nus | abrotman: yes, but nobody in the #ubuntu channel can help me o_0 |
| 03:34.40 | bipolar | gfx: no. don't use compression. |
| 03:34.45 | abrotman | h0nus: and noone will help you here .. you're using ubuntu .. please go to #ubuntu |
| 03:34.49 | h0nus | i figured since ubuntu is debian-based, i might find help here |
| 03:35.07 | abrotman | h0nus: no .. you will not .. we do not support debian-based distros |
| 03:35.22 | h0nus | sigh |
| 03:35.24 | abrotman | gravity: did you nmu scilab ? |
| 03:35.26 | abrotman | !d-i h0nus |
| 03:35.26 | dpkg | h0nus, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 03:35.28 | gravity | Oh, right. |
| 03:35.33 | gravity | abrotman: No, but I'll do that now I guess |
| 03:35.36 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:35.36 | gfx | bipolar: wats with tar if I dont compress? |
| 03:35.47 | regeya_ | indeed, h0nus, come on over to #ubuntu |
| 03:35.54 | h0nus | i'm there |
| 03:36.03 | bipolar | gfx: read the man page for tar. learn how it works and you will understand. |
| 03:36.05 | h0nus | i have like 5 channels open lol |
| 03:36.15 | regeya_ | awesome |
| 03:36.16 | abrotman | h0nus: i think tarzeau is up to like 900 channels |
| 03:36.30 | h0nus | geez |
| 03:36.30 | gravity | I have 18 at the moment, though one is weird |
| 03:36.32 | regeya_ | gfx: 'pax' is awesome. |
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| 03:36.53 | ron_ | hi |
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| 03:37.03 | ron_ | (WW) ATI: PCI?AGP Mach64 in slot 2:0:0 could not be detected! |
| 03:37.09 | abrotman | gravity: you're in a "weird" channel ? |
| 03:37.22 | abrotman | ron_: leave the BusID blank when you configure X |
| 03:37.23 | gfx | man tar? or tar man? |
| 03:37.25 | gravity | abrotman: Just not one I'm usually in |
| 03:37.36 | abrotman | gravity: are there 15 year old girls? |
| 03:37.38 | Noboru | :) |
| 03:37.47 | gravity | hahahaha |
| 03:37.49 | ron_ | i did |
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| 03:37.57 | ron_ | :/ |
| 03:38.03 | ron_ | same problem |
| 03:38.10 | gravity | Ugh, scilab is huuge |
| 03:38.14 | abrotman | iti s |
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| 03:38.28 | gravity | I'll have to upload it to gluck first so I don't piss off my roomate again by hogging the bandwidth |
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| 03:38.50 | gfx | regeya_: wats pax? |
| 03:39.05 | abrotman | gravity: get a new roommate .. debian rulez! jajajj |
| 03:39.54 | ron_ | :( |
| 03:40.11 | abrotman | ron_: paste your X log and your X config |
| 03:40.14 | abrotman | !paste |
| 03:40.14 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 03:40.32 | ron_ | how |
| 03:40.50 | abrotman | are you irc'ing from the box that debian is on ? |
| 03:40.51 | ron_ | how would i copy it? |
| 03:41.02 | ron_ | daul boot |
| 03:41.06 | ron_ | duel |
| 03:41.11 | abrotman | dual ? |
| 03:41.15 | abrotman | so you're in windows ? |
| 03:41.16 | ron_ | or that |
| 03:41.21 | ron_ | no ubuntu |
| 03:41.26 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 03:41.26 | dpkg | Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntulinux.org and/or visit #ubuntu, right here on IRC. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
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| 03:41.40 | MrNaz | duel booting is when you have two operating systems who's installations conflict with each other. |
| 03:41.45 | abrotman | ron_: wait .. the problem is with debian or ubuntu ? |
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| 03:41.55 | ron_ | debian |
| 03:42.21 | abrotman | ron_: they make text mode irc clients |
| 03:42.24 | abrotman | !best irc client |
| 03:42.25 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, irssi-text is probably the best IRC client |
| 03:42.51 | liable | ron_: did you enter the pci slot yourself? |
| 03:42.56 | ron_ | yes |
| 03:43.07 | abrotman | i just asked you if you did that .. i told you to leave it blank |
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| 03:43.30 | Stevie-O | well obviously he does not feel that, in order to obtain our help, he needs to listen to us |
| 03:43.38 | ron_ | after it wouldn't work i looked atXF86Config-4 in ubuntu |
| 03:43.48 | abrotman | ubuntu doesn't use xfree |
| 03:43.53 | ron_ | oh |
| 03:43.55 | abrotman | i'm not sure it ever has |
| 03:44.01 | gravity | It used to |
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| 03:44.23 | ron_ | it was in fail safe terminal |
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| 03:44.38 | abrotman | hehe .. terminal is now referred to as fail safe .. |
| 03:45.07 | Stevie-O | what terminal is known as failsafe? |
| 03:45.09 | Stevie-O | xterm? |
| 03:45.47 | ron_ | :/ |
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| 03:46.01 | zinx | Stevie-O: generally, i consider not using X at all as "failsafe" |
| 03:46.09 | Coweater | ttyX |
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| 03:47.17 | liable | ron_: dont put the pci slot in, and use the vesa driver and see what happens |
| 03:47.39 | ron_ | ok i'll try |
| 03:47.41 | ron_ | brb |
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| 03:49.42 | abrotman | !moo |
| 03:49.42 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 03:50.53 | ecdemo | hmm, I seem to have screwed things up further... |
| 03:51.10 | Stevie-O | most people do |
| 03:51.35 | Stevie-O | what do you think you screwed up? |
| 03:51.38 | ecdemo | most people you see come here to ask about their screwups do :) |
| 03:51.51 | Stevie-O | of course :) |
| 03:51.56 | abrotman | some people come here to ask totally irrelevant questions :) |
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| 03:52.08 | Stevie-O | some people come here to troll |
| 03:52.13 | unstable | Some people just want to talk to other people because they are bored. |
| 03:52.14 | abrotman | Stevie-O: i do not! |
| 03:52.23 | Stevie-O | you do not what? |
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| 03:52.31 | abrotman | Stevie-O: troll .. |
| 03:52.57 | Stevie-O | I never explicitly stated that you did |
| 03:53.17 | ecdemo | but -implicitly-... |
| 03:53.22 | abrotman | Stevie-O: don't try to get out of it now! |
| 03:53.26 | Stevie-O | no comment |
| 03:53.35 | Stevie-O | ;) |
| 03:53.57 | abrotman | Stevie-O: you wanna call me a troll!?!?! .. i call you an Easter Bunny! |
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| 03:54.19 | Stevie-O | abrotman: Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries? |
| 03:54.25 | karthik | hello |
| 03:54.27 | ecdemo | ok, so I did get it booting for a time when grub booted off the external by hand-editing the boot stanza to alter the root (...) cmd |
| 03:54.28 | abrotman | sounds about right |
| 03:54.34 | karthik | I was wondering if anyone had ja |
| 03:54.41 | karthik | jre installed on a Sun Blade 100 |
| 03:54.53 | abrotman | karthik: on debian? |
| 03:54.53 | karthik | Looks like I cannot install jre |
| 03:54.58 | sfullenwider | Is there a list of video capture cards that work with debian? |
| 03:54.59 | karthik | yes |
| 03:55.05 | abrotman | karthik: on SPARC |
| 03:55.05 | abrotman | ? |
| 03:55.07 | Stevie-O | the hauppage works |
| 03:55.09 | karthik | Right |
| 03:55.13 | karthik | Space |
| 03:55.16 | karthik | Sparc |
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| 03:55.18 | ecdemo | but now all it does is GRUB loading stage1.5... \n\n GRUB loading \n error 17 |
| 03:55.22 | karthik | (Sun Blade 100) |
| 03:55.32 | ecdemo | no matter from which drive it loads from |
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| 03:55.41 | abrotman | karthik: does Sun make a java for linux sparc ? |
| 03:55.50 | karthik | Cannot seem to find it |
| 03:55.56 | karthik | Tried the solaris version |
| 03:56.01 | karthik | and the linux version |
| 03:56.23 | karthik | but the .sh file says something about download being corrupted |
| 03:56.24 | abrotman | there is a java for sparc solaris . .but not sparc linux .. maybe one of the free VMs |
| 03:56.31 | ecdemo | well the solaris one won't work under linux for obvious reasons |
| 03:56.34 | karthik | deleted the file and downloaded it again |
| 03:56.36 | karthik | Right |
| 03:56.47 | karthik | But just wanted to check :) |
| 03:56.54 | karthik | Any recommendations? |
| 03:56.57 | ecdemo | not a bad thing to do |
| 03:57.04 | abrotman | karthik: ask #java ? |
| 03:57.10 | karthik | Thanks |
| 03:57.12 | abrotman | ask #debian-java ? |
| 03:57.13 | karthik | Will try |
| 03:57.21 | lzhang | does output from make go somewhere where I can read it? |
| 03:57.23 | karthik | Is there a #debian-java? |
| 03:57.34 | likeafox | I can't find anything useful in man startx or xsession about starting alternate window manager, and I looked in the scripts to try figure them out. So... what is the usual way to start, from bash, KDE instead of the default(gnome)? |
| 03:57.39 | abrotman | karthik: yes |
| 03:57.42 | ecdemo | there's the java-package thing, but then the question is, does it support any sparc ones |
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| 03:58.09 | JoshTriplett | Is there some reasonable way to use the bash-minimal package *in place of* bash, and remove bash? |
| 03:58.23 | Coweater | karthik: googling for "linux-sparc jre" turns up a bit on a blackdown jre |
| 03:58.27 | abrotman | JoshTriplett: why? |
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| 03:58.36 | JoshTriplett | abrotman: Size constraint on embedded system. |
| 03:58.43 | abrotman | Coweater: it's old and unsupported .. and probably a security risk |
| 03:58.55 | abrotman | JoshTriplett: i think dash is posix compliant .. not sure though |
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| 03:59.06 | JoshTriplett | abrotman: Big enough that I'd rather use stripped-down Debian than custom setup, but small enough that I still care about space. |
| 03:59.06 | abrotman | or maybe that was psh |
| 03:59.07 | ecdemo | why do you want a bash-alike? |
| 03:59.08 | karthik | Can blackdown be installed through apt-get |
| 03:59.09 | karthik | ? |
| 03:59.25 | JoshTriplett | abrotman: I don't think that helps; bash is Essential: yes, and some scripts have /bin/bash as their shebang. |
| 03:59.30 | abrotman | no . not psh .. perl is not small |
| 03:59.31 | JoshTriplett | abrotman: So I need some kind of bash. |
| 03:59.37 | ecdemo | no java from sun sources can (well legally I guess) |
| 03:59.39 | abrotman | JoshTriplett: so make a symlink? :) |
| 04:00.31 | Azar | likeafox: what window manager are you using? |
| 04:00.37 | JoshTriplett | abrotman: Divert /bin/bash, ln -sf /bin/bash-minimal /bin/bash, dpkg --force-remove-essential bash? |
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| 04:00.57 | curt | im going to love you forever!!! |
| 04:00.59 | JoshTriplett | abrotman: The remaining question would be "will that break horribly"? |
| 04:01.12 | abrotman | JoshTriplett: uhm .. i meant with dash . i've never used bash-minimal |
| 04:01.18 | abrotman | curt: that's nice .. now get me a beer! |
| 04:01.19 | karthik | does anyone h |
| 04:01.26 | JoshTriplett | abrotman: As I said, some scripts do depend on bash features AFAIK. |
| 04:01.28 | curt | how do i do that? |
| 04:01.32 | JoshTriplett | abrotman: So you can't purge bash completely. |
| 04:01.32 | karthik | know how to add blackdown to sources.list |
| 04:01.34 | abrotman | JoshTriplett: what is a bash feature ? |
| 04:01.58 | JoshTriplett | abrotman: Don't know offhand. :) |
| 04:02.03 | abrotman | so try dash ? :) |
| 04:02.04 | likeafox | Azar: the default for me is gnome, but not at startup. I log into the shell on startup. |
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| 04:02.13 | ecdemo | wouldn't the blackdown page list the blackdown sources?> |
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| 04:02.27 | JoshTriplett | abrotman: Mostly I think bash-minimal is less likely to break the system entirely. :) |
| 04:02.35 | karthik | They have amd64 and X86 |
| 04:02.36 | abrotman | i could repeat .. blackdown is old .. not supported anymore .. and probably a security risk |
| 04:02.40 | karthik | nothign abotu sparc |
| 04:02.48 | abrotman | JoshTriplett: ok . so install it! |
| 04:02.53 | JoshTriplett | abrotman: :) |
| 04:03.02 | abrotman | JoshTriplett: and you can probably use equivs to make the system think you have bash installed |
| 04:03.10 | Azar | likeafox: I asked because I use openbox only and there are some cool hints on their website |
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| 04:03.46 | abrotman | likeafox: it depends .. you can actually run "startkde" |
| 04:04.02 | abrotman | likeafox: maybe it's an optino to 'X' instead of 'startx' |
| 04:04.43 | likeafox | I saw X is the binary, and I didn't find a man page for it |
| 04:04.54 | karthik | Any decent bit torrent clients apart from Azereus (since I cannot install java on Sparc)? |
| 04:04.59 | abrotman | likeafox: so if you say `startx /usr/bin/blackbox` .. doesn't work ? |
| 04:05.09 | unstable | karthik: transmission |
| 04:05.13 | abrotman | karthik: bittornado |
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| 04:05.39 | cnoz | i did not shutdown my system in partition1 properly. it won't boot. i can't even access with a installation cdrom. after booting fr cdrom, when i try "mount /dev/ide.../part1 /tmp", it says'mount failed: invalid argument'. how to salvage the situation? |
| 04:05.44 | ron_ | (WW) System lacks support for changing MTRRs |
| 04:05.53 | ron_ | (EE) VESA(0): vm86() syscall generated signal4 |
| 04:06.02 | ron_ | (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration |
| 04:06.13 | ron_ | :/ |
| 04:06.36 | JoshTriplett | abrotman: Oh joy; dpkg-divert just corrupted my /var/lib/dpkg/diversions. |
| 04:06.38 | Azar | likeafox: could you edit $HOME/.xinitrc so to add something like : exec kde ? |
| 04:06.59 | abrotman | JoshTriplett: i didn't say to use that .. but uhm .. don't you have a test system ? |
| 04:07.11 | likeafox | Just a moment |
| 04:07.20 | abrotman | i think he's trying to avoid that ? |
| 04:07.28 | unstable | !transmission |
| 04:07.29 | dpkg | it has been said that transmission is a free, lightweight BitTorrent client. It features a simple, intuitive interface on top on an efficient, cross-platform back-end. Transmission is open source (MIT license) and runs on Mac OS X (Cocoa interface), Linux/NetBSD/FreeBSD/OpenBSD (GTK+ interface) and BeOS/ZETA (native interface). http://transmission.m0k.org/ |
| 04:07.37 | liable | ron_: eww. wtf is this card? |
| 04:07.48 | abrotman | lspci | grep -i vga |
| 04:07.58 | abrotman | i hope it's cirrus logic! |
| 04:07.58 | JoshTriplett | abrotman: I'm doing this on the embedded system, not my laptop. I can probably recover from that, though for some reason dpkg-divert didn't save a backup in diversions-old. |
| 04:08.11 | abrotman | JoshTriplett: that's definitely not good |
| 04:08.11 | ron_ | 9250 pro |
| 04:08.25 | litage | installing apache-ssl fails during configuration for me. how can i fix/get around this?: http://rafb.net/paste/results/VQFQUR91.html |
| 04:08.47 | gravity | abrotman: God damn it, scilab is freakin' huge |
| 04:08.56 | gravity | It's *still* building the .diff.gz |
| 04:08.57 | abrotman | gravity: deja vu ? |
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| 04:09.07 | gravity | No kidding |
| 04:09.08 | abrotman | gravity: it's no openoffice! :) |
| 04:09.20 | gravity | Yeah, but I don't maintain that either |
| 04:09.54 | karthik | libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: |
| 04:09.56 | abrotman | installed it's 30MB .. jeez |
| 04:10.03 | karthik | What is the error ? |
| 04:10.11 | cnoz | no one can help save my 'dead' partition? |
| 04:10.14 | abrotman | !find libstdc++.so.6 sarge |
| 04:10.43 | abrotman | cnoz: did you try to fsck it ? |
| 04:10.48 | JoshTriplett | abrotman: Here's my /var/lib/dpkg/diversions after "dpkg-divert /bin/bash && ln -sf bash-minimal /bin/bash": http://rafb.net/paste/results/UjwlT358.html |
| 04:10.53 | karthik | find: libstdc++.so.6: No such file or directory |
| 04:10.57 | karthik | Is that right? |
| 04:11.25 | JoshTriplett | karthik: Probably; I think it was .so.5 then. |
| 04:11.28 | abrotman | JoshTriplett: i'm no expert .. but that seems bad .. can you reinstall bash ? |
| 04:11.35 | JoshTriplett | abrotman: Didn't remove it. |
| 04:11.41 | ecdemo | howbout libstdc++ (remember to escape the +es) |
| 04:11.43 | abrotman | !equivs |
| 04:11.44 | dpkg | i heard equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also "usrlocal" |
| 04:11.56 | JoshTriplett | abrotman: Already using that for other things. :) |
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| 04:12.01 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 04:12.02 | karthik | No luck |
| 04:12.05 | cnoz | abrotman: i can't. it won't boot -up. |
| 04:12.07 | likeafox | Yes I'd like to avoid writing any scripts that I'd need to change to switch between gnome and kde. Also `startx /usr/bin/blackbox` does not work, because I don't have it installed |
| 04:12.08 | JoshTriplett | abrotman: Such as dselect for example. |
| 04:12.13 | JoshTriplett | abrotman: (This is a sarge system.) |
| 04:12.18 | lnzju | b |
| 04:12.27 | cnoz | abrotman: and it can't be mounted. |
| 04:12.28 | abrotman | cnoz: you can run fsck from a livecd on an unmounted partition |
| 04:12.42 | abrotman | and is usually preferred |
| 04:12.47 | cnoz | abrotman: how to do that? |
| 04:12.57 | abrotman | likeafox: well .. try it with something you have installed |
| 04:13.13 | abrotman | cnoz: boot a liveCD .. start a terminal .. find your partition . run fsck on it? .. it is ext2/3 right ? |
| 04:13.26 | Azar | likeafox: the way I see it the $HOME/.xsession file creates a default login of your choice, while .xinitrc will bring up from startx the window manager of your choice |
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| 04:14.26 | cnoz | abrotman: yeh, it is ex3 partition. so it would be like 'fsck /dev/hda1'? fr a term? |
| 04:14.37 | tainc | anyone here familiar with a terminal screensaver? Don't need one, just looking for some pretty pictures for while I'm away from the server. Anything that requires the X libraries is a no-go... this is a console-only box. |
| 04:14.50 | abrotman | cnoz: or whatever it is .. yes .. you can try that .. hopefully it doesn't make the problem worse |
| 04:15.01 | abrotman | !blanking |
| 04:15.04 | abrotman | hrm |
| 04:15.09 | abrotman | !blank |
| 04:15.09 | dpkg | it has been said that blank is a budget screensaver for linux. To turn it off, run 'setterm -blank 0'. At the same time, you may want to add that to the end of /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 04:15.31 | abrotman | tainc: oh .. nm .. i misread .. |
| 04:15.32 | cnoz | abrotman: i thought ext3 partition should auto fsck on boot-up. |
| 04:15.39 | abrotman | they should |
| 04:15.43 | abrotman | well .. if they're dirty |
| 04:15.46 | bbeck | Is there a http forwarder in debian? I'd like something that would forward based on server name. So www1.domain.net would forward to one machine but www2.domain.net would foward to another, something a little smarter than basic port forwarding. |
| 04:16.25 | liable | tainc: cmatrix? |
| 04:16.55 | cnoz | abrotman: not quite sure what u mean by 'start a terminal'. |
| 04:17.10 | gravity | geez... scilab is non-free too |
| 04:17.10 | JoshTriplett | bbeck: apache can do that. |
| 04:17.39 | JoshTriplett | bbeck: You can use virtual hosts combined with the appropriate Proxy* options to forward to another server. |
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| 04:17.59 | bbeck | yeah, i was pretty sure it could. I'm really hoping to find something specialized, so I don't have to have a full blown apache instance running on the firewall |
| 04:18.28 | JoshTriplett | bbeck: A smaller webserver could probably do the same thing, but I don't know of one offhand that does. |
| 04:18.37 | dbindner_ | gravity: If scilab is giving fits, is there any chance that Maxima, Octave, or Axiom could do what you want? |
| 04:19.02 | buu | bbeck: Use the power ofPERL! |
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| 04:19.42 | gravity | dbindner_: It's not for me. I'm just fixing it. I don't use it. |
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| 04:19.58 | liable | tainc: please dont /msg people without asking. also, cmatrix is in the repos.. |
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| 04:20.23 | litage | what should i do if the installation of a package fails during configuration, and fails also for ``apt-get -f install'' and ``dpkg-reconfigure PACKAGE''? |
| 04:20.43 | gravity | litage: What's the error? |
| 04:20.51 | gravity | litage: You most likely want to file a bug on the package |
| 04:22.15 | litage | gravity: http://rafb.net/paste/results/VQFQUR91.html |
| 04:23.01 | gravity | litage: Yeah, file a bug on the package |
| 04:23.04 | likeafox | startx /usr/bin/kdesktop does not work. |
| 04:23.27 | likeafox | Or is that not the right program... |
| 04:23.51 | litage | gravity: might the problem be related to having an etch version of libc6 installed on a sarge box? |
| 04:24.09 | gravity | litage: startkde |
| 04:24.14 | gravity | likeafox: ^ |
| 04:24.24 | likeafox | ok |
| 04:24.36 | gravity | litage: I have no idea in all honesty |
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| 04:25.02 | xerophyte | does anybody know why am i getting error message sda: Write Protect is off ?? |
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| 04:25.16 | tainc | liable: my apologies, the way I have xchat configured, a line with my name in it appears the same way as a /msg to me. Thank you for the tip. |
| 04:25.55 | litage | gravity: hrm. it's strange, because i've installed this version of apache-ssl on several other boxes with no problems |
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| 04:26.05 | liable | tainc: ah, ok. no problem. |
| 04:26.26 | liable | tainc: i dunno how to set it as a screensaver actually.. |
| 04:26.54 | CaT[tm] | ok. htf do I get the system to realise dst is still on |
| 04:27.04 | tainc | liable: once I get it installed, I'll attack that as the next step. Google's gotta have something on it. ^^ |
| 04:27.17 | ron_ | (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration :/ |
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| 04:27.48 | likeafox | I get that same error message. |
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| 04:28.00 | Frem | Is is possible to play midis with xmms? |
| 04:28.02 | likeafox | With the no screen with usable configuration |
| 04:28.09 | CaT[tm] | and curses on debian for not automating the updates of timezone data. |
| 04:28.14 | liable | ron_: install gpm and irss-text and come back when you are booted in debian |
| 04:28.28 | ron_ | k |
| 04:28.39 | likeafox | On my other computer I mean... |
| 04:30.21 | liable | ron_: err.. irssi-text |
| 04:30.43 | CaT[tm] | ok |
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| 04:32.40 | likeafox | Oh joy. startx /usr/bin/startkde works |
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| 04:32.56 | goldenaura | Hi there. I have downloaded the netinstal Sarge3.1a, and i am having problems with the Xserver with kernel 2.4. And it only works with kernel 2.6 |
| 04:33.25 | likeafox | But my resolution seems to be too small for it... this dialog box that popped up goes off my screen. |
| 04:34.04 | goldenaura | when rebooting with kernel 2.4, xserver cant start, and tells me if i want to see the ouput of the xserver, and it shows some info about kernel 2.6.8 |
| 04:34.27 | goldenaura | do i have to use kernel 2.6 to use xserver? |
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| 04:36.31 | goldenaura | and with kernel 2.4 if i do "startx" it tries, but then quits, and shows some messages like: "couldnt find icons.... couldnt find inputmice,etc etc" |
| 04:36.59 | guk | what I always did to fix shit like that and it's prolly wrong but simply install somthing which you know requires X |
| 04:37.08 | guk | and it installs all the librarys and shit you need to get x started |
| 04:37.12 | guk | ;) |
| 04:37.22 | goldenaura | i have tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree886 and tried all possibilities, but it is useless |
| 04:37.25 | orco | hey all, i'm trying to run glxgears after i did the nvidia one-liner and getting error |
| 04:37.44 | guk | yeah ... cause it sounds like your x window system isn't fully installed |
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| 04:37.53 | orco | GLX missing on diplay ":0.0" |
| 04:37.56 | orco | really... |
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| 04:38.11 | goldenaura | adn why with kernel 2.6 it works? |
| 04:38.49 | guk | apt-get install xserver-xorg |
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| 04:39.02 | goldenaura | ok |
| 04:39.03 | guk | that should maybe work ? ive not used X in years ... ive not used linux with a computer with a video card in even more years |
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| 04:39.06 | guk | :D |
| 04:39.06 | goldenaura | i will try that |
| 04:39.17 | goldenaura | :D |
| 04:39.25 | guk | fuck when I used x we called it xfree86 ... and we liked it !! |
| 04:39.28 | guk | j/k :) |
| 04:41.00 | Frem | guk: We Sarge users STILL use xfree86, you know... |
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| 04:42.11 | Stevie-O | lol |
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| 04:43.09 | michal_ | is there a way to log stdout and stderr to a file while still having it appear on the screen? |
| 04:43.45 | goldenaura | in the stable repository i can not find xserver-xorg |
| 04:44.02 | gravity | goldenaura: Nor will you. Stable currently has xfree86 |
| 04:44.38 | ecdemo | stable won't evver change |
| 04:44.40 | guk | oh ... lookie at that ... |
| 04:44.41 | guk | :) |
| 04:44.44 | guk | I didn't even notice |
| 04:44.55 | orco | is it worth going from xfree to xorg for stability and gaming reasons? |
| 04:45.11 | gravity | orco: Not really unless you know you need it |
| 04:45.24 | ecdemo | michal_: write a little C program a la tee |
| 04:45.46 | michal_ | so bash doesn't support it by default? |
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| 04:46.12 | ecdemo | youmean bash + unix commands... not sure... maybe you can do it |
| 04:46.15 | goldenaura | but i supose Sarge can use xserver with kernel 2.4, cant it? and the popmesage that shows when starting gdm, it shows: "Building Operative System: kernel 2.6.8..." is this nromal whn i start with kernel 2.4? |
| 04:46.38 | ecdemo | maybe theyre |
| 04:46.41 | ecdemo | maybe there |
| 04:46.51 | ecdemo | maybe there is too much going on |
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| 04:47.30 | orco | curiosly, how do i reset up the the nvidia rtls? |
| 04:47.35 | orco | i think that might be my issue |
| 04:48.14 | goldenaura | how can i fix this, to teel xfree86 that the kernel is 2.4? |
| 04:48.19 | goldenaura | and not 2.6 |
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| 04:48.32 | unix_infidel | w00t, sempron etch box is back up ;) |
| 04:48.33 | Stevie-O | xfree can't just uname -r ? |
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| 04:49.10 | Gnub- | XF86 need the kernel version? |
| 04:49.21 | orco | dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-glx |
| 04:50.16 | orco | nope |
| 04:50.23 | goldenaura | thanks guys |
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| 04:50.40 | JKnife | is Debian-W32 dead? |
| 04:50.48 | JKnife | Debian-Win32* |
| 04:50.54 | Gnub- | ? |
| 04:51.31 | peterS | JKnife: I think it's one of those projects that never did get much energy, so it's hard to tell |
| 04:51.35 | ecdemo | here's hoping that was never born...; |
| 04:51.45 | JKnife | peterS, ok |
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| 04:54.11 | unix_infidel | can konq handle scp? |
| 04:54.17 | yos87 | Where is the Gnome error log saved? |
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| 04:58.03 | likeafox | I seem to have a problem with Show Desktop, Workspace Switcher, and Windows List |
| 04:58.47 | Ironhand | I just ran into the following situation: host A and host B, both Debian Sarge, both nfs clients as well as servers. on host A, the portmap process uses a lot of CPU and logs thousands of "server: about do a switch" events. On host B, an rpciod process uses a large amount of CPU time. Packets go back and forth at an equally disturbing rate between udp/113 on host A and udp/800 on host B. the problem was resolved by sending the rpciod process in ... |
| 04:58.53 | Ironhand | ... question SIGKILL. Does this resemble any known problem, and is there a way to avoid this in the future? |
| 04:58.54 | likeafox | 'The "Show Desktop" applet appears to have died unexpectedly.' |
| 04:58.59 | likeafox | How do I start up that applet again? |
| 04:59.55 | Ironhand | (both hosts were NFS clients to the other, btw) |
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| 05:02.01 | peterS | Ironhand: UDP 113? the portmapper is UDP 111 |
| 05:02.16 | Ironhand | (also, forgot to add this: host A = 2.4.27, compiled from debian kernel sources, host B = stock Sarge 2.6.8-k7, both nfs kernel server) |
| 05:02.22 | Ironhand | sorry, my mistake, udp/111 |
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| 05:02.39 | likeafox | Oh I fixed it, nm |
| 05:02.39 | peterS | anyway I haven't heard of that kind of bug in rpciod |
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| 05:04.01 | Ironhand | I don't think I can reproduce it since it occurred basically out of nowhere; but should it occur again would there be particular things to look for? |
| 05:04.13 | peterS | don't know |
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| 05:18.13 | test | hello |
| 05:18.40 | yos87 | hello |
| 05:18.48 | yos87 | peterS: how are you |
| 05:19.52 | peterS | alive, fortunately |
| 05:20.29 | test | always a start. |
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| 05:20.56 | peterS | yeah, I could have been killed last week but I wasn't, it was pretty cool |
| 05:21.51 | wireddd | car accident? |
| 05:22.15 | peterS | sort of. truck hitting bicycle, bicycle shattering, peterS landing on his back on the street |
| 05:22.20 | peterS | that kind |
| 05:22.38 | mike-_- | (o,0) |
| 05:22.45 | yos87 | peterS: god plassed you |
| 05:22.55 | peterS | I ain't complainin' |
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| 05:23.42 | yos87 | peterS: Take care |
| 05:23.48 | peterS | I do |
| 05:24.10 | yos87 | You should visit hospital for you back anyway |
| 05:24.18 | peterS | no, it's not serious |
| 05:25.19 | yos87 | not serious! all what you say? |
| 05:25.55 | gravity | peterS: Holy crap |
| 05:25.56 | peterS | I went out dancing about 3 hours after I got hit. I was limping a bit, but otherwise I seemed fine |
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| 05:26.01 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 05:26.01 | dpkg | i guess popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 05:26.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's 1300 or so now :) |
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| 05:26.40 | likeafox | So `startx /usr/bin/startkde` starts KDE. How do I start the failsafe X? |
| 05:26.43 | Gnea | peterS: ouch |
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| 05:27.11 | Gnea | peterS: you should've saught medical attention from a chiropractor |
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| 05:27.20 | likeafox | I thought abrotman went to bed. |
| 05:27.22 | Gnea | a regular doctor wouldn't know what to do |
| 05:27.34 | Gnea | give you drugs and tell you to lie still |
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| 05:27.59 | Gnea | s/saught/sought/g |
| 05:28.18 | peterS | Gnea: if I notice any back pain that doesn't go away in the next week or two, maybe I'll think about it. but I've been feeling better every day |
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| 05:29.29 | Gnea | peterS: yeah, it'll likely creep up on ya... i'd get to one ASAP |
| 05:29.30 | test | If anyone has some time, I'd like some help. |
| 05:29.37 | Gnea | !tell test about ask |
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| 05:29.57 | Gnea | can't help if we don't know what the problem is. |
| 05:30.02 | test | ok dpkg |
| 05:30.24 | test | I got a XandrOS 3.0 Standard Desktop from CompUSA today ( Free after mail-in rebate.) |
| 05:30.41 | test | It installed, but the network card can't connect. |
| 05:30.50 | gravity | test: Contact Xandros |
| 05:31.01 | gravity | Who knows what they've done to Debian |
| 05:31.06 | Gnea | test: we can't help you, you paid for xandros, therefore you automatically have to get your help from them. |
| 05:31.31 | test | even if it's based on Sarge? |
| 05:31.40 | Gnea | test: it's *not* sarge |
| 05:31.44 | Gnea | it's xandros. |
| 05:31.46 | Gnea | !based on debian |
| 05:31.47 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 05:31.48 | peterS | test: yes - things like network card drivers and setup are exactly the sort of things the derivative distributions change |
| 05:31.58 | peterS | test: so chances are we won't know anything about it |
| 05:32.57 | test | hmm, guess I got a 39 cent frisbee. |
| 05:33.13 | Gnea | $.39?! |
| 05:33.28 | menko | test: why don't you just contact xandros? |
| 05:33.34 | test | postage for the mail-in rebate |
| 05:33.43 | Frem | test: try #xandros, maybe? |
| 05:33.59 | test | 7 people, no response from any. |
| 05:34.11 | Gnea | test: why don't you just be patient and get help from the right places? i'm sure there's a web-based forum someplace... |
| 05:34.19 | Gnea | google would know where it is |
| 05:34.33 | test | http://forums.xandros.com yes |
| 05:34.38 | test | 0 responses to search |
| 05:34.38 | Frem | Xandros is supposed to have pretty good support, I thought. |
| 05:34.40 | Gnea | there you go |
| 05:34.51 | Gnea | test: but did you make a post? |
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| 05:35.08 | juan | hola |
| 05:35.14 | test | requirs registration |
| 05:35.17 | test | so no |
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| 05:35.26 | Gnea | welp, you know what you gotta do |
| 05:35.27 | juan | alguien habla español |
| 05:35.30 | Gnea | !es |
| 05:35.31 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 05:35.33 | menko | 2 mins to register... |
| 05:35.36 | Tallu | Why dont you register? |
| 05:35.40 | Kinks | congrats on the lazy award test. |
| 05:35.41 | orco | well, i've got all the files for XFree on my pc but glxgears still aint workn |
| 05:35.45 | stb_ | im having a rough time removing the bootsplash packages. they never installed correctly but still dont like being removed. also, is there a way to set all my /etc/rcS.d files back to default? |
| 05:35.49 | orco | plus i did the nvidia oneliner |
| 05:36.04 | test | Kinks, thanks. |
| 05:36.07 | juan | nesesito ayuda |
| 05:36.09 | test | I'm part of the 98% |
| 05:36.10 | Frem | test: If you can't be bothered to register for support at a help forum, you probably should not be using Linux... |
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| 05:36.44 | test | Frem, that's why I don't. |
| 05:36.50 | juan | join #debian-es |
| 05:37.02 | reuben | would anyone be willing to test whether a program of mine builds and runs on their system? |
| 05:37.30 | stb_ | is there any way to reset my /etc/rcS.d or do i have to reinstall? |
| 05:38.15 | stb_ | i haven't edited the scripts only the order. i thought i returned it to normal but sysv-rc wont patch |
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| 05:39.33 | test | Xandros says it's a 3Com Corporation |
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| 05:39.55 | zOrK | How can I set up Wireless ? |
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| 05:40.28 | peterS | test: those are usually very well supported, with the '3c59x' kernel module and such |
| 05:40.49 | Gnea | !wireless |
| 05:40.49 | dpkg | The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux, or try asking #wireless |
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| 05:40.55 | test | you had me up to the |
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| 05:41.02 | Frem | test: behold! teh google: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=3com+network+card+linux&btnG=Google+Search |
| 05:41.07 | Frem | first result, too. |
| 05:41.09 | d3s | Is there any available program in linux/unix that I can use to fix my CHS problem? |
| 05:41.30 | Gnea | !google 3com network card xandros |
| 05:41.39 | dpkg | Google says 3com network card xandros is at http://www.xandros.com/support/hcl.html or http://www.pcbuyersguide.com/software/system/xandros.htm or http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2004/08/msg00265.html or http://www.zdnet.com.au/reviews/coolgear/wireless/0,39023505,39160424,00.htm or http://www.linuxemporium.co.uk/products/networking/ |
| 05:41.44 | Gnea | d3s: what CHS problem? |
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| 05:41.59 | dna_ | when do we move a hour forward? |
| 05:42.09 | d3s | Gnea: My Harddisk having CHS problem. (partition does not end on cylinder boundary error) |
| 05:42.14 | Gnea | we don't, at least not here |
| 05:42.19 | Gnea | AZ doesn't switch |
| 05:42.19 | Frem | dna_: I think it's on sat. |
| 05:42.28 | Gnea | d3s: why not? |
| 05:42.55 | d3s | Dunno, probably I created the partition using partition magic (dooh) |
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| 05:43.11 | peterS | d3s: you can change partition tables arbitrarily using fdisk, cfdisk, sfdisk, or parted. doing this without losing data can be tricky |
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| 05:44.12 | d3s | peterS: yeah, resizing these partitions could be tricky. Did that with partition magic it did not fix the problem |
| 05:44.13 | jm_ | d3s: that's a warning, not an error |
| 05:44.20 | d3s | jm_: you're right |
| 05:44.40 | d3s | It's still 'readable' though |
| 05:45.53 | johnsu01 | Anyone using the xmms-scrobbler package? Getting an error, "libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file" |
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| 05:46.22 | test | Ok, if hardware is not on the hcl.html, is there a way to still get it to work? |
| 05:46.27 | Kinks | so install the libs? |
| 05:46.35 | d3s | peterS: I thought fdisk doesn't do resizing? |
| 05:46.55 | johnsu01 | Kinks: Shouldn't the required libs be required by the package? |
| 05:47.10 | peterS | d3s: well, you can delete a partition and recreate it with the same starting point and a different size. that's resizing. the problem is that whatever is *on* the partition (usually a filesystem) is not resized at the same time |
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| 05:48.00 | peterS | d3s: if you're enlarging the partition, no problem, you can resize the filesystem afterwards (there are tools to do this for most filesystems). if you're shrinking it, you'd better resize the filesystem beforehand |
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| 05:48.41 | d3s | peterS: K, I hate doing it manualy. Copy the partition content, delete partition, and recreate and copy |
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| 05:49.10 | peterS | d3s: well, you can do that too. 'parted' can resize partitions in the way you mean, preserving contents and resizing the filesystems inside the partitions |
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| 05:49.34 | AsianGirl | theres a java installed on my debian but i dont know which one, i would liek to uninstall it, help me please |
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| 05:50.41 | Frem | AsianGirl: apt-get remove java? Or was it a manual java .bin install? |
| 05:50.54 | noiesmo | AsianGirl, do dpkg-query -l | grep java it will show packaages |
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| 05:51.01 | AsianGirl | actually, i install ant then debian install me a bunch of package :/ |
| 05:51.09 | AsianGirl | that i dont want as few java stuff |
| 05:51.09 | noiesmo | AsianGirl, if installed thru apt or dpkg |
| 05:51.21 | d3s | peterS: thx |
| 05:51.34 | AsianGirl | apt |
| 05:51.51 | Kinks | johnsu01: not necessarilly, see if the libs are installed and then complain when you know they are. |
| 05:52.06 | noiesmo | AsianGirl, do dpkg-query -l | grep java then you can do dpkg -r xxx.java |
| 05:52.16 | AsianGirl | ko :/ |
| 05:52.18 | AsianGirl | thanks you |
| 05:52.23 | C0l0mb0 | can anyone recommend a PCI wireless card with 802.11g + WPA2 that has native drivers in Debian stable? |
| 05:54.02 | AsianGirl | by the way, where is the files that PATH= is stored ? |
| 05:54.03 | AsianGirl | theres few PATH i would like to remove, but dont know how :/ |
| 05:54.03 | noiesmo | AsianGirl, /etc/profile |
| 05:54.03 | AsianGirl | thanks you! |
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| 05:54.27 | AsianGirl | hmmm... why the pat h want to remove is not there |
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| 05:54.33 | AsianGirl | but when i put SET, its there :/ |
| 05:54.48 | noiesmo | AsianGirl, could be in /home/user/.profile or .bashrc |
| 05:55.01 | AsianGirl | im actually on root |
| 05:55.05 | peterS | there's also /etc/bash.bashrc, ~/.profile, ~/.bash_profile |
| 05:55.15 | noiesmo | AsianGirl, ^^ |
| 05:56.04 | AsianGirl | nothing in /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 05:56.07 | AsianGirl | :/ |
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| 05:56.24 | noiesmo | AsianGirl, check users home folder |
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| 05:56.42 | AsianGirl | but im in root |
| 05:56.58 | AsianGirl | when i put set, it show up the java thing :/ |
| 05:56.58 | Gnea | it's in /etc/profile |
| 05:57.02 | AsianGirl | i mean... |
| 05:57.09 | AsianGirl | hmmm |
| 05:57.11 | AsianGirl | tats weird.. |
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| 05:57.19 | noiesmo | AsianGirl, yes because you are root |
| 05:57.24 | Gnea | what's the 'java thing', exactly? a JVM? |
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| 05:57.34 | AsianGirl | bcuz i have a wrong java jdk installed i try to uninstall it |
| 05:57.41 | noiesmo | AsianGirl, you will need to add it to the users home folder .profile or .bash |
| 05:57.50 | Gnea | AsianGirl: output of java --version, please? |
| 05:57.55 | Boukensya | hey guys. If I wanted to make a directory (not the files in it) where it can not be deleted by a user (or renamed) how would I do that? is it just a chmod thing? |
| 05:57.56 | g3brown | Anyone know good component or lib for wav->mp3 ? |
| 05:58.09 | AsianGirl | actually i uninstall all the java stuff |
| 05:58.11 | Boukensya | g3brown, blade |
| 05:58.15 | peterS | g3brown: debian can't ship mp3 encoders because we can't afford a patent license for every debian user |
| 05:58.18 | Boukensya | g3brown, lame |
| 05:58.28 | Gnea | AsianGirl: oh ok, so what's the problem with the PATH, exactly? |
| 05:58.35 | AsianGirl | it read the wrong java path |
| 05:58.46 | AsianGirl | so it cant fine the right path to my current jdk from dsun |
| 05:58.46 | Gnea | i don't understand. |
| 05:58.50 | Gnea | you said you uninstalled it. |
| 05:58.55 | AsianGirl | when i type java it cant find the path... |
| 05:59.09 | Gnea | so you installed a .bin from sun for java? |
| 05:59.12 | Kinks | Boukensya: yes, with chmod. |
| 05:59.12 | AsianGirl | yes |
| 05:59.20 | Gnea | when? |
| 05:59.21 | g3brown | Boukensya: I'm familiar with the names of both blade and lame. Is there docs floating around how to make calls to a dll or something? |
| 05:59.22 | AsianGirl | all it does it make me a directory.. |
| 05:59.24 | Boukensya | Kinks, what numbers do I do? |
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| 05:59.38 | lmao | somebody can say the name to me of package GMAKE? I to install in my machine? |
| 05:59.43 | Boukensya | g3brown, no idea |
| 05:59.45 | C0l0mb0 | g3brown: try LAME http://lame.sourceforge.net/ but you won't get it as a Debian package |
| 05:59.46 | Gnea | lmao: make |
| 05:59.53 | trixx | anyone here use steam with d3d or opengl? |
| 05:59.56 | lmao | Gnea apt-get install make ? |
| 06:00.01 | Gnea | C0l0mb0: yes, you can: toolame |
| 06:00.06 | Gnea | lmao: yes. |
| 06:00.11 | lmao | ok. |
| 06:00.35 | C0l0mb0 | Gnea: yeah but doesnt that only do mp2? |
| 06:00.35 | noiesmo | isnt lame avail thru deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sid main |
| 06:00.35 | Gnea | C0l0mb0: does it? |
| 06:00.37 | Boukensya | g3brown, you can get unofficail debian packages at http://www.apt-get.org/ |
| 06:00.43 | AsianGirl | Gnea = can u help me to install the sun.java jdk package? :/ |
| 06:00.49 | Gnea | C0l0mb0: i prefer ogg vorbis anyway |
| 06:00.55 | lmao | I already have MAKE! and the GMAKE is not there. |
| 06:01.01 | Gnea | AsianGirl: i'm trying to, but you're not helping me help you. |
| 06:01.05 | g3brown | thanks... |
| 06:01.12 | Gnea | lmao: then make a symlink. |
| 06:01.15 | Kinks | Boukensya: go look up file permissions in the debian documentation on the site if you don't understand them |
| 06:01.24 | AsianGirl | i jsut did ./jdk.1.5.01_linux.bin |
| 06:01.27 | Gnea | lmao: it's the same program. no difference. |
| 06:01.39 | AsianGirl | and it extracted me a bunch of stuf |
| 06:01.43 | Gnea | AsianGirl: yes, and that is wrong. when did you install it? |
| 06:01.58 | AsianGirl | nothing, but the java command doesnt work... |
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| 06:02.15 | lmao | how I make one symlink? : ( |
| 06:02.17 | Gnea | do a ls -l and see if there's a new java-* directory there |
| 06:02.23 | AsianGirl | yes |
| 06:02.24 | trixx | could anyone that's able to use either d3d or opengl direct me to where they got their ati drivers from? |
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| 06:02.28 | Gnea | !ln |
| 06:02.28 | dpkg | methinks ln is 'man ln' |
| 06:02.33 | AsianGirl | its in /root/java |
| 06:02.44 | Gnea | lmao: use the ln command - man ln, like dpkg said |
| 06:02.53 | lmao | ok |
| 06:03.00 | AsianGirl | mv jdk.1.5.01_linux.bin java |
| 06:03.03 | AsianGirl | then i did ./java |
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| 06:03.16 | Gnea | AsianGirl: ok, then that's where it is, it didn't install it system-wide, so you're in the clear - rm -rf that directory, please. |
| 06:03.19 | AsianGirl | it install and make me a jdk1.5.0_06 folder |
| 06:03.21 | C0l0mb0 | can anyone vouch for a current wifi card that will be usable under Debian? I'm about to go shopping and need some reasurance (Belkin, Netgear, D-Link etc)... |
| 06:03.31 | Gnea | oh ok, rm -rf jdk1.5.0_06 |
| 06:03.40 | Gnea | and mv java jdk.1.5.01_linux.bin |
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| 06:04.00 | AsianGirl | ok then? |
| 06:04.20 | Gnea | AsianGirl: are you aware of the java-package package? |
| 06:04.43 | AsianGirl | i just downloaded the .bin from the sun.java download page |
| 06:04.44 | d3s | peterS: What do you think about gpart (not gparted) |
| 06:05.09 | Gnea | !java-package |
| 06:05.09 | dpkg | [java-package] a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp (the Linux (self-extracting file) NOT the RPM) ; fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; |
| 06:05.09 | peterS | d3s: it works fine in my experience, but I don't think it will do anything useful for your situation |
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| 06:05.29 | Gnea | AsianGirl: follow the above instructions to install the .bin on your system. |
| 06:06.02 | Ronron_BR | Olá!!! |
| 06:06.14 | peterS | !pt |
| 06:06.14 | dpkg | por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 06:06.20 | AsianGirl | ok thanks |
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| 06:07.20 | Ronron_BR | #debian-br |
| 06:07.25 | orco | ok, hmm i'm still hitting a wall |
| 06:07.49 | orco | glxinfo, saeyth i'm missing extension "GLX" on mydisplay |
| 06:07.52 | orco | any clues? |
| 06:08.40 | Ronron_BR | (#debian-br) |
| 06:09.05 | noiesmo | Ronron_BR, /join #debian-br |
| 06:09.26 | orco | and i'm not getting the nvidia logo! |
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| 06:10.05 | noiesmo | !nvidia |
| 06:10.05 | dpkg | DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 06:10.10 | Ronron_BR | sorry, I'm brazilian. I don't know how to do in this chat... |
| 06:10.17 | trixx | !ati |
| 06:10.17 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseAti |
| 06:10.22 | trixx | interesting |
| 06:10.31 | orco | i did the oneliner |
| 06:11.05 | noiesmo | orco, whats lsmod return run lsmod |grep nvidia |
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| 06:12.27 | trixx | WARNING: do not attempt to use the drivers directly from ATi's web site. Do not attempt to convert the RPMs using alien. Follow only flavio's instructions. |
| 06:12.32 | trixx | i wish i had known that earlier... |
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| 06:12.46 | badfish | hello |
| 06:12.50 | bc_ | hey |
| 06:12.59 | badfish | Have you guys seen what microsoft is doing now? |
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| 06:13.08 | bc_ | what |
| 06:13.09 | noiesmo | orco, also check log file /var/log/ |
| 06:13.10 | peterS | badfish: most of us haven't, and don't really care |
| 06:13.15 | badfish | http://www.challenge-tv.com/index.php?mode=demodetail&demo=31023&dl=3 |
| 06:13.16 | bc_ | ls |
| 06:13.18 | badfish | no its good, check it out |
| 06:13.23 | peterS | badfish: it's also off-topic |
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| 06:13.43 | badfish | its negative microsoft |
| 06:13.52 | orco | nvidia 3923228 0 |
| 06:13.52 | orco | agpgart 34664 1 nvidia |
| 06:13.54 | badfish | funny stuff |
| 06:14.17 | peterS | badfish: we don't care about microsoft. what does microsoft have to do with debian? |
| 06:14.40 | badfish | its negative microsoft |
| 06:14.49 | peterS | badfish: that's not an answer |
| 06:15.05 | Gnea | badfish: not good enough. |
| 06:15.27 | peterS | what part of "we don't care about microsoft" don't you understand? |
| 06:15.28 | bc_ | What the hell is going on here? |
| 06:16.02 | orco | once upon a time i did dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-glx, but that isn't working |
| 06:17.07 | Gnea | it's a fucking doom wad |
| 06:17.46 | Gnea | !ops badfish is off-topic and pasting urls with non-debian specific files |
| 06:17.47 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: badfish is off-topic and pasting urls with non-debian specific files |
| 06:18.07 | sep | Gnea, cool,. i'v never seen doom wad mod that involved fucking :) |
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| 06:18.25 | peterS | sep: doompr0n? |
| 06:18.30 | sep | :) |
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| 06:20.06 | badfish | <badfish> http://www.challenge-tv.com/index.php?mode=demodetail&demo=31023&dl=3 |
| 06:20.06 | badfish | <badfish> nice article on microsoft future plans |
| 06:20.25 | peterS | !ops we mean it, badfish needs to go away |
| 06:20.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: we mean it, badfish needs to go away |
| 06:20.34 | orco | nvidia tls links |
| 06:20.50 | orco | i'm vaugly remembering that being an issue |
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| 06:21.01 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@43-87.69-92-cpe.cableone.net] by helix |
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| 06:21.09 | peterS | thx dude |
| 06:21.17 | helix | np 4 u |
| 06:21.28 | Gnea | *dudette |
| 06:21.35 | peterS | no I meant dude |
| 06:22.21 | buu | Doompr0n! |
| 06:22.21 | Gnea | oh |
| 06:22.44 | peterS | I've called her dude for years, it's just one of those things I do |
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| 06:24.39 | tainc | Can anyone offer any sort of comfort that debian's not going anywhere? I've noticed over the last few years that the community has dwindled significantly (at least within the circles in which I participate) |
| 06:24.40 | johnsu01 | So, how do I figure out which package might provide libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3 ? I have libstdc++5 and 6 installed, as well as the -dev packages. |
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| 06:25.15 | valdyn | johnsu01: apt-file search, but i doubt this file is in debian at all |
| 06:25.37 | daeos | im trying to get phpmyadmin working, and i've installed it but not sure how to access it, how would I do that? |
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| 06:26.30 | johnsu01 | valdyn: yeah, I've looked around with apt-cache search. |
| 06:26.43 | noiesmo | daeos, web browser http://blah/phpmyadmin |
| 06:26.52 | peterS | tainc: Debian loses users to two places - things like gentoo and things like knoppix. The gentoo users often come back when they notice gentoo has lower overall quality of packaging. as for derivatives like knoppix and ubuntu, they would not be able to exist without debian, so if debian goes away, they will too |
| 06:27.36 | valdyn | tainc: debian is actually growing constantly |
| 06:27.59 | hj | I like debian |
| 06:28.04 | peterS | tainc: ubuntu is amazing but if they didn't have a healthy debian system to build on, they wouldn't be able to do crap. so they support the growth of debian too, out of necessity if nothing else |
| 06:28.31 | hj | I installed it last weekend |
| 06:28.46 | daeos | noiesmo: doesn't work |
| 06:28.47 | hj | is there anyone use RAYLS |
| 06:28.48 | peterS | tainc: I don't see Debian going anywhere for a long time. as for developers, there are more people offering to become developers than the system can handle. that's a healthy sign. |
| 06:28.54 | tainc | peterS: that's what I wanted to hear. I guess that much I could have surmised by looking around me. It seems like most of the folks that I used to troubleshoot with have bailed for other distros. Perhaps they all just got tired of debian's DIY nature. |
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| 06:29.10 | menko | tainc: I'm a new debian user |
| 06:29.38 | peterS | tainc: I suppose we've lost users to Fedora as it has matured, but I bet the RPM distros have lost a lot more to fedora than we have |
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| 06:29.56 | tainc | menko: out of curiosity, which distro/os are you coming to debian from? |
| 06:30.16 | ekoo | hi apt-get remove mono <<< but still that packet in computer why ? |
| 06:30.26 | peterS | we've lost a few users to OS X, but I think we get some OS X users too |
| 06:30.59 | daeos | peterS: you gained a winblows user =p |
| 06:31.02 | menko | tainc: I used mandriva when I first started for about a year and a half. I've tried vector linux and ubuntu for a couple of days. |
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| 06:31.32 | michal_ | does anyone know where crontab -e generated files go? |
| 06:31.47 | valdyn | michal_: /var/spool/cron/ |
| 06:31.52 | tainc | peterS: I also imagine that there are probably a good number of folks that run OSX and debian side-by-side |
| 06:32.05 | peterS | tainc: right, C0l0mb0 claims to be one |
| 06:32.10 | michal_ | arg.. thanks. i would have NEVER guessed that |
| 06:32.15 | peterS | tainc: I know one or two others. I don't know a lot of OS X users total |
| 06:32.39 | hj | i hate windows, |
| 06:32.41 | johnsu01 | woah, why does libgtk2.0-dev require firefox? |
| 06:32.43 | C0l0mb0 | there's alot in common with OS X and Debian, the two compliment each other |
| 06:32.50 | valdyn | johnsu01: it doesnt? |
| 06:32.52 | orco | i'mlooking for some x help |
| 06:32.57 | michal_ | i can't make sense why my cronjab fails but if i run the command manually it works :/ |
| 06:33.06 | orco | trying to get glxgears working on my brother's pc |
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| 06:33.25 | orco | nvidia 6600gt pci-e card |
| 06:33.34 | johnsu01 | michal_: wild guess, do you have the full path to the command in the crontab? |
| 06:33.46 | peterS | michal_: one common reason is that a command expects to have user environment variables set, or an interactive shell, or a tty device |
| 06:33.49 | tainc | heh, glad to hear everyone speak up. I guess my fears were unfounded afterall. *puts the fc5 dvd back in his drawer* |
| 06:33.49 | michal_ | johnsu01, yes |
| 06:33.54 | peterS | michal_: cron doesn't provide any of those things |
| 06:34.02 | michal_ | it's a script i wrote. shouldn't expect any of that |
| 06:34.13 | peterS | oh, fedora core 5 is out? I managed to miss hearing it |
| 06:34.16 | michal_ | wait |
| 06:34.22 | sonyman | peterS: as of a few days ago |
| 06:34.26 | michal_ | no.. because that part worked before |
| 06:34.28 | peterS | ahh |
| 06:34.29 | michal_ | hmm |
| 06:34.36 | michal_ | what about this? |
| 06:34.44 | michal_ | /usr/local/bin/copebak &> /tmp/cope_`date +%F`.log ; mail -s "Cope backup log" staff@appl.com.au </tmp/cope_`date +%F`.log |
| 06:34.46 | tainc | peterS: official release was this past monday |
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| 06:35.28 | jm_ | michal_: one other common pitfall is mentioned in the man page |
| 06:35.51 | johnsu01 | michal_: you don't have the full path to mail |
| 06:36.07 | daeos | as i was asking, i just installed phpmyadmin, and when i try to open it via a browser, www.mydomain.com/phpmyadmin does not pull it up.... would it be easier for me to make a virtual domain? such as a www.mydomain.com/~mysql (which directs to the phpmyadmin directory) and also, what is the default directory? |
| 06:36.08 | michal_ | it fails before it gets to mail |
| 06:36.19 | peterS | michal_: not sure if &> is a POSIX shell feature or a bashism |
| 06:36.35 | peterS | michal_: if /bin/sh -> dash, and your regular shell is bash, that could be an issue |
| 06:36.39 | michal_ | /bin/sh: -c: line 1: unexpected EOF while looking for matching ``' |
| 06:36.39 | michal_ | /bin/sh: -c: line 2: syntax error: unexpected end of file |
| 06:37.05 | michal_ | not sure where exactly that's coming from thugh |
| 06:37.24 | peterS | michal_: yeah that's weird. you should use $( ) instead of `` anyway. easier to read, easier to manage. |
| 06:37.26 | valdyn | michal_: your date command misses the 2nd ` |
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| 06:38.00 | michal_ | valdyn: where? they both have both `'s |
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| 06:38.12 | peterS | all modern shells except csh (is that a modern shell?) support $( ) |
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| 06:39.05 | michal_ | ok.. i have both `'s but i'll try $( ) |
| 06:39.42 | daeos | valdyn: any ideas? in reference to my question? |
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| 06:39.50 | peterS | michal_: also, if you have any untrusted users, note that they could cause mischief by doing 'ln -s /etc/passwd /tmp/copebak.2006-03-28' or similar |
| 06:40.30 | nayyares | i can hear voice in my pc head phone, also i can hear the echo of my mic. but when i record any sound, i cant hear the recording? |
| 06:40.32 | peterS | michal_: replace /etc/passwd by any file writable by the backup user and not writable by the untrusted user |
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| 06:41.11 | meriad | does anyone here have experience using a Toshiba Laptop? My mouse doesnt respond |
| 06:41.15 | michal_ | i guess i could do the entire thing in /root |
| 06:41.16 | meriad | it selectively works |
| 06:41.17 | meriad | then stops |
| 06:41.23 | meriad | and its annoying and wondering why it does that.. |
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| 06:41.42 | michal_ | haha |
| 06:41.45 | michal_ | /bin/sh: -c: line 1: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `)' |
| 06:41.45 | michal_ | /bin/sh: -c: line 2: syntax error: unexpected end of file |
| 06:42.09 | peterS | michal_: so it's like cron is cutting off the line. you didn't word-wrap it, did you? |
| 06:42.53 | michal_ | nope.. continuous line.. |
| 06:42.56 | michal_ | /usr/local/bin/copebak &> /tmp/cope_$(date +%F).log ; mail -s "Cope backup log" staff@appl.com.au </tmp/cope_$(date +%F).log |
| 06:43.15 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 06:43.16 | dpkg | [popcon] the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 06:43.56 | peterS | don't know then, that's strange. |
| 06:44.04 | michal_ | i'll strip off the ; mail stuff |
| 06:44.27 | nayyares | me\ any help |
| 06:45.10 | daeos | i want to move an entire directory, how can i do that? |
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| 06:45.32 | nkuttler | daeos: mv |
| 06:45.35 | g0vner | mv -R ;p |
| 06:45.57 | valdyn | daeos: on the same fs: mv; across fs: cp -R or cp -a; rm |
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| 06:46.14 | daeos | ok thanks |
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| 06:46.33 | g0vner | hey a daeos mochachos :D |
| 06:46.44 | AsianGirl | !install java |
| 06:46.44 | dpkg | First, read <java licensing>. Still here? Install the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package>. |
| 06:47.13 | daeos | g0ver: boy? what are you refering to |
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| 06:48.21 | michal_ | ahahaha!!! |
| 06:48.35 | michal_ | when you do crontab -e you don't need to set the user before the command do you? |
| 06:49.33 | infinity_ | why would top show over 100% cpu usage for one process (smp system)? |
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| 06:49.42 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 06:49.42 | dpkg | <Guerin> heh, I have a wife who, when not doing it herself, makes me do it |
| 06:50.04 | tarzeau | !seen guerin |
| 06:50.04 | dpkg | guerin <n=lewis@65.99.196.149> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 17h 11m 31s ago, saying: 'EasterSunshine: man hwinfo'. |
| 06:50.22 | michal_ | yep.. that was the killer it seems |
| 06:50.47 | g0vner | lol g0ver |
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| 06:52.57 | nayyares | i can hear voice in my pc head phone, also i can hear the echo of my mic. but when i record any sound, i cant hear the recording? |
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| 06:55.21 | litage | what should i do if the installation of a package fails during configuration, and also fails for ``apt-get -f install'' and ``dpkg-reconfigure PACKAGE''? |
| 06:55.46 | jm_ | you should read the screen to find out why it fails |
| 06:55.50 | daeos | i'm trying to configure apache2 to have a user page such as /~foobar , how would i do that? or where in the config file would i find the right spot to make the changes |
| 06:56.27 | jm_ | daeos: it's in Apache docs -- UserDir |
| 06:56.38 | litage | jm_: i have, and i don't believe it's something i can control: http://rafb.net/paste/results/VQFQUR91.html |
| 06:57.34 | daeos | jm_: have any recommendations on a text based web browser? |
| 06:57.51 | jm_ | daeos: links, lynx, w3m, ... |
| 06:58.06 | jm_ | litage: isn't that deprecated in favour of libapache-mod-ssl? |
| 06:58.18 | daeos | jm_: any of them have a ascII touch to them? |
| 06:58.41 | jm_ | daeos: what ascii touch? |
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| 06:58.59 | litage | jm_: mod_ssl and apache-ssl are separate projects |
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| 06:59.25 | daeos | jm_: semi graphical as in... similar to how irssi-text looks |
| 06:59.29 | jm_ | litage: yes, and I think mod_ssl is the active one |
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| 07:00.00 | jm_ | daeos: links uses it to render tables for example |
| 07:00.09 | Jeeves_Moss | all: any on here good with GRUB? |
| 07:00.25 | litage | jm_: either way, i've successfully installed this version (stable) of apache-ssl on several other boxes, so i'm not sure why it's failing on this particular box |
| 07:00.32 | SonnyBurnett | hello what do I have to do to see .wmv files in gxine? |
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| 07:00.51 | litage | jm_: might the fact that i've installed the etch version of libc6 on this box be affecting the configuration apache-ssl? |
| 07:01.02 | jm_ | litage: postinst script is failing, you can debug exactly which step |
| 07:01.09 | Jeeves_Moss | jm_: any luick with you on GRUB? |
| 07:01.41 | jm_ | litage: it's usually backwards compatible, but it can cause problems |
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| 07:02.09 | gejo_deb | how can I forward packets coming to my linux router having public ip on port 800 to an internal ip |
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| 07:02.19 | jm_ | Jeeves_Moss: ask your question first |
| 07:02.25 | Jeeves_Moss | ALL: any one? Grub? |
| 07:02.33 | gejo_deb | http://pastebin.com/624550 |
| 07:02.41 | litage | jm_: the latest release of apache-ssl is Dec 2005, so it's safe to assume that it's still active |
| 07:02.49 | gejo_deb | I configure it like this but it is not working |
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| 07:03.08 | gejo_deb | is anybody i having nay idea in this topic? |
| 07:03.32 | litage | gejo_deb: man iptables |
| 07:03.38 | jm_ | litage: I didn't mean to say it's not working, it's just that far less people use it than mod_ssl |
| 07:03.47 | litage | ah |
| 07:03.49 | hugyup | i want quake2 server |
| 07:03.58 | hugyup | but debian... |
| 07:04.02 | nayyares | i have checked all the setting in alsamixer and i can hear the echo in mic. but i am unable to record any voice? |
| 07:04.05 | jm_ | litage: anyway, debug postinst now |
| 07:04.06 | hugyup | not bg |
| 07:04.14 | litage | jm_: why would one use apache+mod_ssl rather than apache-ssl? |
| 07:04.16 | hugyup | ./server & |
| 07:04.20 | hugyup | stop |
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| 07:04.35 | jm_ | litage: more people use it so it receives better testing? |
| 07:04.36 | hugyup | nohup ./server & |
| 07:04.39 | hugyup | bg |
| 07:04.42 | litage | ah |
| 07:04.43 | hugyup | stop;;; |
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| 07:05.14 | Jeeves_Moss | dpkg: grub, howto |
| 07:05.28 | gejo_deb | http://pastebin.com/624550 is this work for port forwarding? |
| 07:05.41 | gejo_deb | can you help me please? |
| 07:06.53 | litage | how do you download (not install) a package but not its dependencies? ``apt-get -d install PACKAGE'' downloads PACKAGE and its deps |
| 07:07.27 | jm_ | aptitude download foo ; debget should also work I guess |
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| 07:08.13 | Jeeves_Moss | jm_: are you able to help me? |
| 07:08.29 | jm_ | Jeeves_Moss: not if I have to read your mind to find out what the problem is |
| 07:08.35 | litage | thanks jm_ |
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| 07:12.21 | jrf | lo lo |
| 07:12.23 | k-man_ | whats the quick way to install java on debian? |
| 07:12.30 | jm_ | k-man_: read the topic |
| 07:12.49 | k-man_ | thanks |
| 07:13.01 | jrf | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:13.06 | jrf | good luck :) |
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| 07:15.18 | Azoff | hello |
| 07:15.22 | Azoff | Mar 27 09:12:16 www fetchmail[3896]: Server CommonName mismatch: localhost != mail.example.com |
| 07:15.32 | Azoff | I got that on a server, what does it mean? |
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| 07:15.46 | Azoff | or rather... what am I doing wrong? |
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| 07:17.17 | wishie | it seems i use up to about 85% cpu (on a sempron 2400+) to watch HD broadcasts |
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| 07:18.04 | gejo_deb | http://pastebin.com/624550 is this work for port forwarding? |
| 07:18.57 | litage | jm_: thanks for suggesting i look in the apache-ssl package's control files. it turns out that the postinst only asks you to generate an ssl cert if /etc/apache-ssl/apache.pem doesn't exist. so by touching that file and then running ``apt-get -f install'', configuring the package skips the cert gen which fails |
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| 07:20.02 | jm_ | litage: but you'll have troubles starting it now - you could simply edit the file in /var/lib/dpkg/info/<pkgname>.postinst and then run dpkg --pending --configure |
| 07:20.19 | litage | jm_: true, but i'm going to use my own cert |
| 07:20.33 | jm_ | litage: ahh so you already have it generated? |
| 07:20.38 | litage | jm_: yep |
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| 07:26.23 | pjv | i need to open a pdf file in gnome, but i want to use "wine C:\Program Files\Adobe\Acrobat 5.0\Acrobat\Acrobat.exe " but that command doesn't allow it, is there another to make Acrobat open pdf files in gnome? what is the correct syntax to do so? |
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| 07:27.03 | jm_ | why don't you use native Linux tools? |
| 07:27.10 | vook | I'm going to throw this at you guys to see if this is happening on debian. If root creates a file in UID 1000's home directory, and changes the permissions to 0000 and the ownership is set as root.root, UID 1000 should not be able to delete the file correct? That isn't what is happening on my cpu under xfs and at least one other person's under ext3. |
| 07:28.44 | jm_ | vook: they can delete the file |
| 07:29.25 | vook | jm_, no kidding? root cannot create a file in another users home directory and force it to stay there? |
| 07:30.12 | unix_infidel | sure they can. |
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| 07:30.35 | jm_ | vook: you can, i.e. immutable files if your fs supports it, or RSBAC |
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| 07:31.06 | nvz | o.O |
| 07:32.27 | gejo_deb | apt-cache search pdf |
| 07:32.38 | gejo_deb | yopu can see a lot programs for open pdf files |
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| 07:33.38 | nvz | pjv: apt-get install gpdf |
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| 07:34.26 | gabriella29 | having trouble getting my network setup. any ideas on how to know what i need to know to get my computer to connect to my router with debian? |
| 07:34.51 | gabriella29 | I have it hooked up physically |
| 07:34.54 | pjv | nvz: i need a decent pdf writer, scribus just show my graphical logos in black shadow |
| 07:35.33 | gabriella29 | says no nic |
| 07:36.25 | Gnea | pjv: openoffice |
| 07:36.26 | jm_ | gabriella29: you need to load the driver for your NIC first |
| 07:37.09 | nvz | Gnea: OOo can save pdf format? |
| 07:37.19 | superlinux | i want the openssl-includes pakg i cant find it |
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| 07:37.29 | Gnea | nvz: you've never used OOo? |
| 07:37.29 | superlinux | i wanna recompile freeradius |
| 07:37.31 | gabriella29 | how can i figure out what nic it is i have a ethernet jack but built into motherboard it seems |
| 07:37.39 | jm_ | lspci |
| 07:37.44 | nvz | Gnea: I've used it but I wouldnt use pdf :P |
| 07:38.06 | secure | I run an openssh server and someone using putty has to connect but we are finding problems with public key formats, anyone found problems with this? |
| 07:38.12 | Gnea | nvz: well that's dumb :P |
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| 07:38.30 | jm_ | putty docs explain how to convert the keys to appropriate format |
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| 07:39.02 | Noboru | jm_, -_- |
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| 07:39.10 | Noboru | hasn't slept yet ? |
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| 07:39.41 | jm_ | are you asking me? |
| 07:39.43 | secure | jm_: yes but it isn't still working, can I develop in the problem and perhaps you can help me solving? |
| 07:39.45 | Noboru | yeah |
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| 07:39.56 | jm_ | hmm I haven't been on IRC since Friday :) |
| 07:39.58 | superlinux | i wanna recompile freeradius but it needs the openssl-inculdes pkg |
| 07:40.04 | pjv | Gnea: which filter should i use? |
| 07:40.06 | Noboru | I see. |
| 07:40.07 | superlinux | i cant find it online |
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| 07:40.19 | jm_ | secure: I don't use putty |
| 07:40.42 | SonnyBurnett | hi, how can I know my gnome version? |
| 07:41.00 | secure | jm_: the guy using putty has a windows box, I suggested him getting putty, but is there some other option more adapted to openssh? |
| 07:41.06 | streuner | SonnyBurnett: dpkg -l gnome-session |
| 07:41.11 | Gnea | pjv: no need. |
| 07:41.24 | jm_ | secure: putty will work just fine, but he needs to generate the right key |
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| 07:42.05 | secure | jm_: I think that's the problem the key generation, when he sent me the file, it didn't have the proper format, although he generated it this way |
| 07:42.08 | secure | strange |
| 07:42.16 | JoshTriplett | What can cause the creation of files like this: ./bin/.nfs700a8ac300000938 ? Obviously something to do with NFS, but what? |
| 07:42.27 | SonnyBurnett | where can I download nice gnome themes from?¡ |
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| 07:42.32 | pjv | Gnea: i clicked File > Open> pdf file. now it is asking me which filter i should use? this is on openoffice writer |
| 07:42.44 | jm_ | secure: 8.2.10 Public key for pasting into authorized_keys file |
| 07:42.59 | JoshTriplett | SonnyBurnett: Many have Debian packages; more exist at art.gnome.org. |
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| 07:43.29 | Gnea | pjv: it doesn't work that way |
| 07:43.36 | Gnea | pjv: you don't 'edit' pdf files |
| 07:43.44 | secure | jm_: what is 8.2.10????? |
| 07:44.02 | jm_ | secure: it's a chapter from PuTTY docs |
| 07:44.06 | Gnea | pjv: not in the 'normal' sense anyway - you need to convert it to a PNG fist and then open it, then export it back |
| 07:44.18 | secure | jm_: where are these putty docs? on the internet? |
| 07:44.22 | secure | gimme the address |
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| 07:44.29 | jm_ | secure: on the putty web page, I bet it's also in the help |
| 07:44.36 | SonnyBurnett | JoshTriplett, What do you mean with "Debian pkgs", should I just look for .deb files to install new themes?? |
| 07:44.39 | secure | ok i'll check |
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| 07:45.58 | JoshTriplett | SonnyBurnett: gtk2-engines-*, gnome-icon-theme-*. |
| 07:46.13 | JoshTriplett | SonnyBurnett: Available in the Debian archive. |
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| 07:47.08 | SonnyBurnett | JoshTriplett, how are named the Gnome Themes? gtk2-engines? |
| 07:47.36 | jm_ | nome-themes - official themes for the GNOME 2 desktop |
| 07:47.36 | jm_ | gnome-themes-extras - various themes for the GNOME 2 desktop |
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| 07:48.28 | wam | I'm looking for a way to manage a cluster-configuration and the installed software. I found cfengine2. But is there a more debian-specific way which e.g. could also handle the installed packages? |
| 07:49.07 | jm_ | wam: did you check fai? |
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| 07:49.16 | wam | jm_: not yet. I'll do. |
| 07:49.58 | secure | jm_: many thanks for the direction where I should read, bye guys |
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| 07:51.07 | JoshTriplett | wam: Also see pkgsync. |
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| 07:51.41 | wam | JoshTriplett: thanks! |
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| 08:01.07 | plbgnr | hello, is there any ssh client - gui application? gftp can only sftp :( and I need to connect servers which have just ssh, sftp not. |
| 08:01.27 | jm_ | what's wrong with ssh? |
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| 08:02.14 | plbgnr | jm_: I don't know how can I view which files are there... |
| 08:02.31 | plbgnr | jm_ ...it is case that I don't have shell account |
| 08:02.51 | plbgnr | jm_:just scp |
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| 08:03.03 | k-man | hello |
| 08:03.08 | jm_ | plbgnr: lftp supports FISH |
| 08:03.24 | k-man | any idea how i can make linux account for the daylight saving time in australia |
| 08:03.25 | k-man | ? |
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| 08:09.22 | k-man | why on earth did australia decide to change daylight saving |
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| 08:09.51 | borco | hi |
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| 08:10.16 | isleshocky71 | Hello room |
| 08:10.25 | streuner | !room |
| 08:10.25 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 08:10.37 | isleshocky71 | Hello channel |
| 08:10.45 | streuner | :-) |
| 08:10.49 | ekoo | hi isleshocky71 |
| 08:10.56 | ekoo | :) |
| 08:11.00 | borco | got a mb without a serial port. can I use a USB2SERIAL convertor to connect my rs232 external modem? |
| 08:11.01 | isleshocky71 | I have php5 installed using apt-get from dotdeb.org |
| 08:11.15 | streuner | why? |
| 08:11.27 | streuner | isleshocky71: what version of debian? |
| 08:11.28 | gnu_style | is there a windows port for X-chat? |
| 08:11.33 | streuner | yes |
| 08:11.38 | streuner | google for |
| 08:11.40 | isleshocky71 | For some reason it configured and compiled using --without-mysql' so I can't run my scripts from the command line. |
| 08:11.50 | sep | k-man, why on earth do we use timezones at all, they are just a artificial construct. why on earth do we use houers and minutes at all. why dont we just use the degrees the earth rotatates around itself relative to the sun. ? |
| 08:11.52 | isleshocky71 | How do I reconfigure php to compile with-mysql? |
| 08:12.02 | isleshocky71 | newest. |
| 08:12.08 | isleshocky71 | Newest stable of everything. |
| 08:12.12 | streuner | !info php5 |
| 08:12.33 | k-man | sep, yeah, thanks for your help |
| 08:12.33 | dpkg | php5: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (meta-package)), section web, is optional. Version: 5.1.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
| 08:12.36 | streuner | isleshocky71: what does 'dpkg -l libc6' say? |
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| 08:12.43 | gnu_style | yeppey I have the port |
| 08:12.50 | isleshocky71 | Do I have to download the source of php5 and do a binary install?? Or is there away to change how php is configured. |
| 08:12.53 | streuner | dotdeb's debs are crappy, don't use it |
| 08:12.59 | sep | k-man, just sharing your frustrations thats all |
| 08:13.07 | isleshocky71 | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 08:13.10 | isleshocky71 | Little late now. :-d |
| 08:13.33 | isleshocky71 | I have everything running the way I want it beside me not being to run one of scripts from the cron using php /blah.php |
| 08:13.41 | isleshocky71 | because I get a mysql_connect() not found. |
| 08:13.44 | isleshocky71 | They work from the web. |
| 08:14.01 | gnu_style | any body here familiar with a .nfo file? |
| 08:14.04 | isleshocky71 | From what I read online it's because php was compiled with without-mysql |
| 08:14.09 | gnu_style | why cant I read it in WINDOWS? |
| 08:14.21 | gnu_style | it opens MS info utility |
| 08:14.31 | Gnea | gnu_style: it's just a text file, nothing more |
| 08:14.35 | streuner | if you running debs out of third parties you cannot expect help here..., i would run php4 in stable/sarge. |
| 08:14.37 | isleshocky71 | just use notpad. |
| 08:14.38 | sep | gnu_style, open the aplication you want to read it in, and open the file from there. |
| 08:14.40 | isleshocky71 | *notepad |
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| 08:15.03 | bartlebee | isleshocky71 web based php has mysql support but your cli doesn't? is that it? |
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| 08:15.12 | isleshocky71 | correct |
| 08:15.14 | sep | gnu_style, dont let windows's extream user/friendlyness/ dumb you down to it's level |
| 08:15.20 | isleshocky71 | need to fix any way possible. |
| 08:15.27 | isleshocky71 | lol |
| 08:15.30 | isleshocky71 | I like that comment. |
| 08:16.01 | gnu_style | sep I know |
| 08:16.03 | streuner | isleshocky71: why not using php4 in stable? |
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| 08:16.22 | isleshocky71 | I figured it's a brand new box why not the latest stuff.. :-/ |
| 08:16.28 | isleshocky71 | Not having an issue with anything else. |
| 08:16.31 | gnu_style | sep im just using it cause I have trouble getting m modem to work with LINUX |
| 08:16.48 | streuner | isleshocky71: scroll up, we told you. |
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| 08:17.19 | streuner | isleshocky71: if you using other than official debs you have no support then... |
| 08:17.33 | isleshocky71 | oh ok... |
| 08:17.52 | bartlebee | isleshocky71 well worse case just get the source and compile for cli in a defined prefix, get your scripts to use that binary |
| 08:18.35 | isleshocky71 | Probably easier to just remove the dotdeb version and get it to work for both. |
| 08:18.58 | isleshocky71 | I just took the lazy way out because it said it supported php5, mysql5, and qmail setup... |
| 08:19.21 | isleshocky71 | I ended up doing a full binary install from qmailrocks.org because it didn't work.. and now I guess i'll be doing a full php install. lol |
| 08:19.27 | isleshocky71 | So much for the lazy approach. |
| 08:19.28 | pjv | Gnea: ohh ok |
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| 08:27.17 | streuner | !nickometer |||sLaSh||| |
| 08:27.18 | dpkg | '|||sLaSh|||' is 99.9259% lame, streuner |
| 08:27.40 | |||sLaSh||| | hehe.. |
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| 08:28.27 | mooed | funny thing lol |
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| 08:29.02 | E-bola | I just installed samba on my debian box |
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| 08:29.11 | E-bola | but there is no port open, and i cant access it from any windows machines |
| 08:29.18 | E-bola | doesnt it work "out of the box"? |
| 08:29.19 | karsten | E-bola: You've got to configure it. |
| 08:29.38 | |||sLaSh||| | you can also use samba swat.. |
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| 08:29.43 | E-bola | karsten: configure what? |
| 08:29.49 | E-bola | i looked att he conf file in /etc/samba |
| 08:29.49 | Gnea | !swat |
| 08:29.50 | dpkg | somebody said swat was Special Weapons And Tactics or A Web based administrative tool for SAMBA or what dbn.net needs; right upside the head with a clue-by-four. a device for killing flies with, or apt-get install swat, enable it in /etc/inetd.conf if necessary, '/etc/init.d/inetd reload', then point your web browser to http://localhost:901/ |
| 08:29.51 | E-bola | it all looked fine |
| 08:29.52 | karsten | E-bola: No, it doesn't "just work". |
| 08:30.19 | karsten | E-bola: /join #samba or read /usr/share/doc/samba |
| 08:30.29 | E-bola | ok |
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| 08:30.40 | QuikSIlver74 | hi |
| 08:30.47 | QuikSIlver74 | i need help plz |
| 08:30.51 | QuikSIlver74 | im french |
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| 08:30.59 | streuner | !fr |
| 08:30.59 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais mais peu ou pas anglais et qui ont besoin d'aide avec Debian peuvent demander sur #debian-fr. People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 08:31.06 | QuikSIlver74 | thx |
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| 08:32.48 | karsten | E-bola: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/samba.htm |
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| 08:35.56 | kd | I'm trying to troubleshoot cups |
| 08:36.10 | kd | "unable to get printer status (client-error-forbidden) |
| 08:36.12 | kd | " |
| 08:36.55 | DaFresh | hello all, i search a tool to do bandwidth monitoring on a bridge ? |
| 08:37.08 | karsten | kd: Is the printer properly configured? Has it worked in the path? |
| 08:37.19 | kd | it works locally but not remotely. |
| 08:37.21 | karsten | DaFresh: snmp-enabled? |
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| 08:37.38 | kd | I want it to work on 192.168.1.1/254 |
| 08:37.46 | karsten | kd: Is this a local printer you're making available locally? Or is it on its own network node? |
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| 08:38.05 | kd | so I added the appropriate line to cupsd.conf |
| 08:38.10 | kd | but still the same error... |
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| 08:38.12 | karsten | kd: ... if the latter, I'd say the answer is "it hasn't worked in the past". |
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| 08:38.27 | karsten | kd: How have you configured it? |
| 08:38.34 | kd | via the web interface. |
| 08:38.42 | DaFresh | karsten: why ? |
| 08:38.51 | noiesmo | has anyone got xgl working on debian unstable with kde desktop and ubuntu sources?? |
| 08:39.35 | karsten | DaFresh: |
| 08:39.46 | Gnea | !ubuntu |
| 08:39.46 | dpkg | Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntulinux.org and/or visit #ubuntu, right here on IRC. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
| 08:40.14 | karsten | DaFresh: ... because SNMP is the Simple Network Monitoring Protocol, and would solve most of your problem in one swell foop. |
| 08:40.21 | noiesmo | Well f*k*n Der I merely whant to know if used ubuntu sources |
| 08:40.27 | SlayerXP | karsten: Management |
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| 08:40.34 | noiesmo | Gnea, read before you speak |
| 08:40.54 | noiesmo | Gnea, got xgl working on debian unstable |
| 08:41.09 | Gnea | noiesmo: be nice or be not helped. |
| 08:41.21 | noiesmo | Gnea, what ever |
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| 08:41.40 | noiesmo | Gnea, why dont you read what people ask before you comment |
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| 08:42.05 | karsten | SlayerXP: Point. Management includes monitoring ;-) |
| 08:42.06 | Gnea | !troll neoi |
| 08:42.07 | noiesmo | Gnea, I find little help here most of the time I sort it myself in the end |
| 08:42.09 | Gnea | !troll noiesmo |
| 08:42.21 | DaFresh | karsten, why not, but forget cacti ;) |
| 08:42.32 | noiesmo | !troll |
| 08:42.33 | dpkg | from memory, troll is In Internet terminology, a troll is a person who posts rude or offensive messages on the Internet, such as in online discussion forums, to disrupt discussion or to upset its participants. "Troll" can also mean the message itself or be a verb meaning to post such messages. "Trolling" is also commonly used to describe the activity. |
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| 08:42.56 | plutonas | hizzzz |
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| 08:43.30 | Gnea | oh no, the world is going to end. |
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| 08:44.32 | SimonRaven | grow up. you sound like a fundie ... |
| 08:44.34 | kd | karsten: so it it a no-hoper configing cups to work on the local network? |
| 08:44.49 | karsten | kd: Um. Well... |
| 08:44.53 | Gnea | !based on debian |
| 08:44.53 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
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| 08:45.00 | Gnea | noiesmo: sorry, you don't have the right to be offended. |
| 08:45.15 | noiesmo | Gnea, and whys that |
| 08:45.22 | Gnea | noiesmo: because you are illiterate. |
| 08:45.30 | kd | it's ok, I'll hack at it for another 1/2 hour or so before giving up and doing everything via scp/ssh ;) |
| 08:45.31 | jm_ | kd: did you allow remote machines to access CUPS server? |
| 08:45.49 | karsten | kd: You haven't told us what kind of printer it is, how you've configured it, whether or not you've troubleshot it at all, what protocols the printer speaks, or whether you can read a user guide. I could start rolling dice to answer your questions, but it's not going to be particularly useful. |
| 08:45.50 | noiesmo | Gnea, ok cool |
| 08:45.58 | karsten | !tell kd about smart questions |
| 08:46.00 | noiesmo | !illiterate |
| 08:46.02 | karsten | !tell kd about paster |
| 08:46.14 | azeem | noiesmo: please /msg the bot |
| 08:46.25 | karsten | kd: Read the Cups config stuff. I know it's dense, so if you've got questions, ask here. |
| 08:46.27 | E-bola | When talking about networks/NIC's do anybody know what RWV is? |
| 08:46.30 | azeem | Gnea: huh, illiterate people have less rights? |
| 08:46.31 | noiesmo | azeem, ok soz |
| 08:46.33 | karsten | kd: Cups frequently Just Works. |
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| 08:46.45 | karsten | kd: So your odds are pretty good. |
| 08:46.45 | Gnea | noiesmo: now, if you'd just read what dpkg has to say about 'based on debian', you'll see that i am right. do NOT mix distribution sources. |
| 08:46.50 | Gnea | azeem: most of the time, yes. |
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| 08:47.12 | Gnea | azeem: they're the ones that typically wind up in jail and sometimes, wind up not being able to vote. |
| 08:47.15 | kd | Thanks. I'll get back to getting it to just workâ„¢ then |
| 08:47.19 | karsten | kd: I'd recommend, BTW, http://localhost:631/ for CUPS config. |
| 08:47.31 | azeem | Gnea: wow |
| 08:47.45 | noiesmo | Gnea, well you never mentioned anything about mixing sources you just flamed at me to go to ubuntu when all i asked was if anyone had done it |
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| 08:48.16 | Gnea | noiesmo: that wasn't a flame, it was a reference. |
| 08:48.20 | azeem | it depends on whether noiesmo means adding Ubuntu binary repos in sources.list or the source package repos in order to build them |
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| 08:49.28 | kelmo | hi tkaine , whats up? ;) |
| 08:49.36 | tkaine | howdy kelmo :) |
| 08:50.05 | Gnea | noiesmo: if i was flaming you, i would've gone this route: <Gnea> noiesmo: you are a stupid idiot for mixing sources like that! |
| 08:50.45 | Gnea | and now, the ignore command is in effect. |
| 08:50.57 | azeem | same here |
| 08:51.42 | noiesmo | Gnea, thats cool, I just was pissed that you had to tell me to go to ubuntu when I know the topics etc as i originally ask was onlyt if anyone had got xgl working on debian unstable with kde desktop and ubuntu sources?? |
| 08:51.58 | azeem | noiesmo: please drop it now |
| 08:52.07 | Gnea | !ubuntu |
| 08:52.07 | dpkg | Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntulinux.org and/or visit #ubuntu, right here on IRC. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
| 08:52.13 | kelmo | hi, is anyone here an avid fan of wpasupplicant, and its init based daemon? |
| 08:52.28 | Speedee | I have 40 gig server. Is it ok to setup with boot:100mb swap 512mb (memory on server is 256) and the rest for data? |
| 08:52.32 | Gnea | see, if you'd bothered to read the ENTIRE factoid from front to end, you would have REALIZED that there's more to it than just going to #ubuntu. |
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| 08:53.07 | Speedee | three partitions only |
| 08:53.07 | kelmo | Speedee: sounds good to me |
| 08:53.28 | kelmo | but usually a sperate /home is also a good idea |
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| 08:53.30 | noiesmo | Gnea, what ever |
| 08:54.08 | Gnea | noiesmo: your failure to admit self-fault is what will prevent you from being helped. |
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| 08:54.39 | noiesmo | Gnea, I NOT looking for help i just asked a question |
| 08:54.48 | karsten | Gnea: Drop it. /help ignore. |
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| 08:55.09 | Gnea | karsten: 01:54 Ignoring ALL from noiesmo |
| 08:55.19 | Gnea | way ahead of ya |
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| 08:55.28 | karsten | Gnea: Thanks. |
| 08:55.42 | karsten | Gnea: make it /ignore -replies <foo> if that helps. |
| 08:55.46 | noiesmo | karsten, i'm not the one going on Gnea is |
| 08:55.50 | Doughbwoy | ignore is only for people not accepting anything but their own opinion .. its weak :P |
| 08:56.01 | karsten | noiesmo: Thanks for sharing. |
| 08:56.08 | azeem | discussing /ignore is off-topic in here |
| 08:56.15 | Doughbwoy | no i dont know this guy, and i dont have anything to do with him ;) |
| 08:56.26 | jm_ | good, I'll tell that to people who ask for help with /ignore :P |
| 08:56.30 | karsten | azeem: How... paradoxical. |
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| 08:56.33 | Gnea | !offtopic |
| 08:56.36 | Doughbwoy | ;P |
| 08:56.48 | Gnea | :) |
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| 08:58.18 | mixter | hi! i've resized a raid5-array on a server and wonder if i could get the kernel to recognise the new size without a reboot. if i run parted of fdisk they still see only the old size of the array |
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| 08:59.51 | karsten | mixter: I'd strongly recommend a reboot. Kernel partition table sizes are generally established at boot. |
| 09:00.59 | mixter | karsten: ok... i'll go for a reboot then... thanks! |
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| 09:01.58 | xzu | ppl, i'm trying to connect to a device connect to my serial interface but get permission denied, then line in use ( http://pastebin.com/624641 ) |
| 09:02.04 | xzu | any clues? ( i see ttyS0 in dmesg output, and perms are crw-rw---- 1 root dialout 4, 64 2005-02-26 07:39 /dev/ttyS0 ) |
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| 09:03.13 | karsten | xzu: 'fuser /dev/ttyS0' |
| 09:03.20 | karsten | xzu: Any file have that device in use? |
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| 09:03.36 | xzu | nope |
| 09:04.11 | karsten | xzu: 'grep tty /var/log/dmesg' Is your serial device properly initialized? |
| 09:04.17 | xzu | yup |
| 09:04.30 | karsten | xzu: Eg: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A |
| 09:04.36 | xzu | ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A |
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| 09:04.43 | karsten | OK. |
| 09:04.45 | xzu | exactely |
| 09:05.12 | jm_ | permission denied not obvious enough? |
| 09:05.44 | karsten | xzu: What user are you attaching as, what groups do you belong to? |
| 09:05.54 | xzu | karsten: root |
| 09:05.55 | xzu | uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root) |
| 09:05.59 | karsten | OK |
| 09:06.06 | xzu | crw-rw---- 1 root dialout 4, 64 2005-02-26 07:39 /dev/ttyS0 |
| 09:06.11 | xzu | so.. boggle :) |
| 09:06.34 | xzu | don't see any errors in dmesg output either |
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| 09:08.50 | karsten | xzu: Google shows some similar errors. Read those? |
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| 09:09.33 | JaMaLz | hello whats the channel of ubuntu |
| 09:09.41 | xzu | i read about perms not being correct and one dude that had a module not loading correctely |
| 09:09.44 | karsten | xzu: is 'cu' suid/sgid? |
| 09:09.45 | SlayerXP | JaMaLz: take a wild guess. |
| 09:09.56 | karsten | xzu: ls -l $( which cu ) |
| 09:10.09 | xzu | karsten: nope |
| 09:10.16 | Doughbwoy | [11:11] <F'JaMaLz> hello whats the channel of ubuntu <-- lol maybe #ubuntu? :P |
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| 09:10.25 | karsten | xzu: See: http://new.hylafax.org/archive/2004-11/msg00485.html |
| 09:10.46 | karsten | xzu: Run 'strace' on your 'cu' command. |
| 09:11.06 | xzu | karsten: ehr... i dont' get it. i just ran it as myself and i'm connected. wtf |
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| 09:11.52 | xzu | weirdness.. i did not change anything, nor was any process attached to it. |
| 09:11.58 | SpAnIaRd87 | hello! |
| 09:12.05 | SpAnIaRd87 | is anyone here good at BIND9? |
| 09:12.09 | xzu | karsten: thanks for your time though! |
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| 09:12.12 | karsten | xzu: Could be that cu changes euid if run as root? |
| 09:12.19 | karsten | xzu: http://www.debian-administration.org/users/simonw/weblog/36 |
| 09:12.29 | karsten | xzu: A 'strace cu ... ' should confirm that. |
| 09:12.53 | karsten | xzu: Alternatively, try 'chown uucp:root /dev/ttyS0' and see if it works with your prior invocation. |
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| 09:13.10 | SpAnIaRd87 | i'm having trouble serving external dns requests |
| 09:13.45 | karsten | xzu: This appears to be a possibly debian-specific config issue. Might be worth a bug. cu isn't used much these days. |
| 09:13.50 | SlayerXP | SpAnIaRd87: can you be more specific? |
| 09:14.07 | xzu | karsten: yup, appears to be the case |
| 09:14.33 | karsten | xzu: There you go. I'd file a bug. The cu / uucp packager needs to sort his permissions. |
| 09:14.34 | xzu | karsten: it's just so more easy to use then minicom, when you just quickly want to connect to a cisco device |
| 09:14.44 | xilo | hello. Q: why doesn't apt-get update/apt-get upgrade update all the packages to the latest version? Is there something I have to set? because after this 2 commands I have packages in their latest version and packages not at the latest version. I can see this with synaptic. |
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| 09:14.53 | xzu | thanks karsten! |
| 09:15.05 | avont_ | can someone help me please, i really needhlep |
| 09:15.26 | karsten | xzu: NP. |
| 09:15.26 | karsten | !tell avont_ about ask |
| 09:15.27 | azeem | uucp is maintained by weasel, who might be around |
| 09:15.28 | azeem | ^^ |
| 09:15.40 | avont_ | i clicked on remobale drives and media, and it said that i needed to start the "Hald" service, how do i do that? |
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| 09:16.04 | SpAnIaRd87 | SlayerXP: okay. on my server i have a zone, e.g externaldomain.net. internally people can query, for e.g. www.externaldomain.net, but externally they cannot |
| 09:16.15 | avont_ | removable* |
| 09:16.24 | SpAnIaRd87 | SlayerXP: i have it pointing to an internet address |
| 09:17.07 | SlayerXP | SpAnIaRd87: so you have some kind of NAT in place? |
| 09:17.15 | SpAnIaRd87 | yep |
| 09:17.25 | SpAnIaRd87 | my router has NAT |
| 09:17.38 | SlayerXP | SpAnIaRd87: and is the NAT configured to forward port 53 tcp/udp requests onto the server? |
| 09:17.44 | SpAnIaRd87 | yep |
| 09:17.55 | SlayerXP | SpAnIaRd87: are you sure? |
| 09:18.07 | SpAnIaRd87 | SlayerXP: yer...they can get onto the server but just cant make any queries |
| 09:18.15 | SlayerXP | SpAnIaRd87: what's the error message? |
| 09:18.16 | avont_ | anyone? |
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| 09:18.22 | SpAnIaRd87 | SlayerXP: time-out |
| 09:18.31 | SlayerXP | SpAnIaRd87: does your server work locally? |
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| 09:18.47 | SlayerXP | you said it does, yes |
| 09:19.00 | SpAnIaRd87 | SlayerXP: what do you mean by that? i have a seperate linux server which just hosts dns requests. |
| 09:19.15 | SlayerXP | SpAnIaRd87: when you say that they "can get onto the server", how do you know that they are? |
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| 09:19.41 | SpAnIaRd87 | SlayerXP: i'm on a windows server externally using nslookup |
| 09:19.47 | edrin | hello, how can i put my PC in standby with debian?? |
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| 09:19.54 | SpAnIaRd87 | SlayerXP: liek i'm RDPd to a server externally |
| 09:20.01 | xilo | ?? |
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| 09:20.13 | SlayerXP | SpAnIaRd87: what does that have to do with dns requests being forwarded cirrectly? |
| 09:20.14 | IdahoEv | Anyone know how to enable mysql support on exim4 in deb? I installed exim4-daemon-heavy, but any attempt to put a mysql_servers option in the conf file results in {option "mysql_servers" unknown} |
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| 09:20.30 | SlayerXP | correctly |
| 09:20.35 | edrin | hello, how can i put my PC in standby with debian?? |
| 09:21.01 | sep | !suspend |
| 09:21.01 | dpkg | from memory, suspend is check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , no apm nor acpi is required or suspend2 (msg dpkg about - works for me beautifully!!) |
| 09:21.11 | SpAnIaRd87 | SlayerXP: lol good question. i'm not sure. all i know is that in my local network i can query the dns server but from an external computer i can't |
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| 09:21.24 | SpAnIaRd87 | SlayerXP: the server is in my local network |
| 09:21.35 | SlayerXP | SpAnIaRd87: if the request is timeing out, then I'll bet your NAT isn't configured correvtly. |
| 09:21.42 | SlayerXP | correctly. *sigh* |
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| 09:22.04 | JediMaster | what's the best log file to look when having samba problems (worked fine for 1+ years and suddenly stopped working after an upgrade, but seems to be running and nothing really in syslog) |
| 09:22.04 | avont_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:22.15 | avont_ | removable* |
| 09:22.17 | SpAnIaRd87 | SlayerXP: really? even though i can still connect to the server using nslookup but i jsut can't query it? |
| 09:22.24 | sep | SpAnIaRd87, and you'r externaldomain.net nameserver entries are ofcouse pointing towards the external ip of your configured nameserver ? |
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| 09:22.44 | SpAnIaRd87 | sep: yep |
| 09:22.56 | SlayerXP | SpAnIaRd87: you dont' "connect" with nslookup until a query is made. |
| 09:22.57 | karsten | xilo: Debian's package management requires both updates and dependencies to be satisfied. One package may not be updated because others it relies on aren't available. This is a Good Thing[tm]. You can view this state with various options to 'apt-get' or 'aptitude'. RTFM. |
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| 09:23.05 | sep | SpAnIaRd87, nslookup dosn't connect to the server, it just tries to reach it when you do a request |
| 09:23.24 | avont_ | can someone help me, or tell me what to do |
| 09:23.28 | SpAnIaRd87 | ooops sorry. |
| 09:23.32 | karsten | avont_: man hald |
| 09:23.35 | SpAnIaRd87 | apologies |
| 09:23.50 | karsten | avont_: Most likely /etc/init.d/hald start |
| 09:23.52 | apikoros | hey, i'm looking for a "eye of gnome" like app (general image viewer, quick + fast) but one that does not depend on gtk or kde.. the fastest the better... for X, not console. any suggestions? |
| 09:24.02 | avont_ | something came up karsten |
| 09:24.08 | tarzeau | apikoros: feh |
| 09:24.08 | SpAnIaRd87 | SlayerXP: that is wierd. NAT is configured to port 53 both UDP and TCP to the ip address locally |
| 09:24.19 | tarzeau | apikoros: it is the best, the fastest i've ever seen |
| 09:24.26 | karsten | apikoros: imagemagick, 'display' |
| 09:24.26 | SpAnIaRd87 | SlayerXP: on my router |
| 09:24.26 | avont_ | karsten: what do i do now? |
| 09:24.27 | tarzeau | apikoros: and it can do quite some tricks |
| 09:24.32 | tarzeau | karsten: that's horribly slow |
| 09:24.32 | SlayerXP | SpAnIaRd87: then perhaps your server isn't configured correctly to handle external requests |
| 09:24.37 | karsten | avont_: ?? |
| 09:24.48 | apikoros | thanks tarzeau and karsten, i'll check both out |
| 09:24.48 | avont_ | i typed man hald |
| 09:24.50 | avont_ | now what |
| 09:24.52 | karsten | tarzeau: If you've got a better suggestion... ? |
| 09:24.52 | sep | SpAnIaRd87, not that strange, your router might have a nameresolution proxy or cache |
| 09:24.58 | SpAnIaRd87 | SlayerXP: that's what i was going to look at next. does debian 3.1 have any inbuilt firewall stuff |
| 09:24.58 | karsten | tarzeau: Oh. fhe. |
| 09:24.59 | tarzeau | karsten: yes i told already: feh |
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| 09:25.10 | tarzeau | SpAnIaRd87: yes |
| 09:25.16 | tarzeau | !nickometer SpAnIaRd87 |
| 09:25.17 | dpkg | 'SpAnIaRd87' is 24.000% lame, tarzeau |
| 09:25.18 | karsten | tarzeau: .. gah. Yeah, I just learned about that. *Horrible* name for a package. |
| 09:25.26 | karsten | !nickometer tarzeau |
| 09:25.27 | dpkg | 'tarzeau' is 0.000% lame, karsten |
| 09:25.30 | tarzeau | karsten: upstream decision of name |
| 09:25.33 | tarzeau | karsten: why? it's not bad |
| 09:25.36 | avont_ | karsten? what do i type now |
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| 09:25.40 | apikoros | !nickometer apikoros |
| 09:25.41 | dpkg | 'apikoros' is 0.000% lame, apikoros |
| 09:25.45 | tarzeau | karsten: way better than these recent porn,sex and other stupid names |
| 09:25.55 | karsten | tarzeau: Because "feh" is usually an expression of mild disgust in IRC. |
| 09:26.01 | SpAnIaRd87 | SlayerXP: okay i guess i'll have to investigate that next |
| 09:26.06 | tarzeau | karsten: or this Gnomenames or Kdenames , they are more horrible |
| 09:26.09 | karsten | tarzeau: Might as well name your package 'lol'. |
| 09:26.11 | avont_ | helloo, can someone please help |
| 09:26.13 | SpAnIaRd87 | port forward seems to be okay because i forwarded VNC to test and it's okay |
| 09:26.17 | tarzeau | karsten: it's not meant to be used in irc |
| 09:26.19 | karsten | tarzeau: Just hard to catch in discussions. |
| 09:26.23 | tarzeau | avont_: nobody can read mind |
| 09:26.24 | JediMaster | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:26.32 | avont_ | i said it three times: |
| 09:26.33 | karsten | !tell avont_ about paster |
| 09:26.34 | avont_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:26.35 | rolf | hello, I'm having problems with sendmail, what permissions do you guys have on mqueue-client ? |
| 09:26.39 | avont_ | removable* |
| 09:26.45 | tarzeau | karsten: feh is much less common than lol |
| 09:26.48 | karsten | avont_: run the damned hald daemon. |
| 09:26.55 | karsten | tarzeau: feh! No it's not. |
| 09:27.00 | avont_ | wha.... |
| 09:27.03 | avont_ | im in the terminal |
| 09:27.08 | avont_ | i typed "man hald" |
| 09:27.10 | edrin | hello, how can i put my PC in standby with debian?? |
| 09:27.13 | avont_ | and some sort o menu came up |
| 09:27.20 | tarzeau | edrin: you mean poweroff? |
| 09:27.36 | sep | !tell edrin about suspend |
| 09:27.50 | apikoros | !tell me about suspend |
| 09:27.55 | avont_ | .... |
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| 09:28.29 | avont_ | help |
| 09:28.53 | avont_ | can someone help me please |
| 09:28.53 | nkuttler | half a minute for suspending? that's pathetic. try apm or acpi for fast solutions. |
| 09:29.07 | avont_ | howdo i start the hald service |
| 09:29.23 | karsten | avont_: Run: '/etc/init.d/hald start' as root. |
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| 09:29.42 | karsten | avont_: Are you new to Linux? |
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| 09:30.30 | avont_ | karsten: yes i am |
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| 09:31.16 | apikoros | tarzeau, oh, i wanted something for X |
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| 09:31.29 | karsten | !tell avont_ about newbie_guide |
| 09:31.39 | karsten | avont_: You want to do some getting up to speed then. |
| 09:31.46 | tarzeau | apikoros: feh is for X |
| 09:31.53 | tarzeau | damn, are you nuts? |
| 09:31.57 | avont_ | debian:/home/avont# /etc/init.d.hald start |
| 09:31.57 | avont_ | bash: /etc/init.d.hald: No such file or directory |
| 09:31.57 | avont_ | debian:/home/avont# |
| 09:32.04 | avont_ | it dind't work see |
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| 09:32.07 | apikoros | tarzeau, yeah, sorry, figured it out, was being silly |
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| 09:33.04 | edrin | sep: what is the difference between suspend2, poweroff and hibernate? |
| 09:33.15 | avont_ | how do i start up this damn hald, that command you gave didn't work |
| 09:33.24 | karsten | avont_: Install hald: apt-get install hal |
| 09:33.30 | avont_ | pl |
| 09:33.33 | avont_ | ok* |
| 09:33.42 | karsten | !tell avont_ about install |
| 09:33.47 | karsten | !tell avont_ about search |
| 09:34.04 | karsten | avont_: Debian makes it *very* easy to install SW you want / need. And to search for it. |
| 09:34.05 | sep | !tell avont_ about installit |
| 09:34.08 | avont_ | ok |
| 09:34.10 | avont_ | its workin |
| 09:34.12 | karsten | sep: Already done. |
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| 09:34.43 | avont_ | i know how to install, i jsut didn't know how to start up hald, |
| 09:34.49 | sep | karsten, i like installit better then install :) |
| 09:34.53 | avont_ | it says hal is already the nbewest verison |
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| 09:34.56 | avont_ | so now what? |
| 09:34.59 | karsten | sep: Sec. |
| 09:35.15 | karsten | avont_: 'ls -l /etc/init.d/hald' Does that show anything? |
| 09:35.35 | avont_ | lemme check |
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| 09:35.56 | karsten | avont_: You'd also mistyped the command. It's /etc/init.d/hald. *NOT* /etc/init.d.hald. |
| 09:36.05 | karsten | avont_: Note the slash / dot thing. |
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| 09:36.38 | avont_ | no such file or directory |
| 09:36.50 | avont_ | debian:/home/avont# ls -l /etc/init.d/hald |
| 09:36.50 | avont_ | ls: /etc/init.d/hald: No such file or directory |
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| 09:37.20 | edrin | sorry |
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| 09:37.24 | karsten | avont_: Post to http://channels.debian.net/paste: dpkg -i hal; dpkg -L hal |
| 09:37.33 | edrin | what did you say? |
| 09:37.36 | avont_ | ok |
| 09:38.11 | karsten | avont_: Um. My bad. hald doesn't use sysvinit. |
| 09:39.08 | avont_ | ... |
| 09:39.32 | avont_ | so now what? |
| 09:40.23 | sep | hald dont have a initscript. it's usualy started from init PPID is 1 |
| 09:40.36 | karsten | avont_: One minute. |
| 09:40.38 | avont_ | ok |
| 09:40.40 | karsten | avont_: Researching. |
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| 09:41.29 | karsten | sep: hald is part of pcmcia? |
| 09:41.33 | karsten | sep: ... or hotplug? |
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| 09:42.29 | jm_ | it's part of hal |
| 09:42.30 | sep | /usr/sbin/hald is part of hal package |
| 09:43.07 | karsten | sep: No shit. How's it started? |
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| 09:44.37 | karsten | avont_: What desktop are you running? |
| 09:44.39 | jm_ | udev/dbus ... |
| 09:44.51 | karsten | jm_: Also pmount via pmount-hal. |
| 09:45.00 | avont_ | gnome |
| 09:45.08 | JediMaster | can anyone help out with my samba problem? everyone in #samba appears to be asleep/dead =) |
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| 09:45.54 | avont_ | karsten: gnome |
| 09:46.08 | sep | JediMaster, if you run samba on debian,. then you can atlest try to ask the question |
| 09:46.14 | karsten | JediMaster: What! And you want to inflict the same fate on us? |
| 09:46.18 | JediMaster | sep: already did |
| 09:46.23 | Isil`Zha | hi. how do i display the chipsets used on my mainboard? like onboard sound for example |
| 09:46.58 | sep | looked in /var/log/samba ? |
| 09:47.04 | JediMaster | basically, it's been running very happily on this debian unstable machine for 2+ years with no config changes, I did do some upgrades a few days ago but it's suddenly stopped working now |
| 09:47.08 | karsten | avont_: Try re-running gnome-volume-manager: /usr/bin/gnome-volume-manager. Note that that's a long shot. |
| 09:47.14 | sep | Isil`Zha, updaet-pciids; lspci |
| 09:47.27 | avont_ | ok |
| 09:47.30 | avont_ | so just cd? |
| 09:47.31 | sep | Isil`Zha, update-pciids; lspci |
| 09:47.38 | karsten | JediMaster: Check local logs. Increase verbosity. Enable Windows logging as well and check what's there. |
| 09:47.42 | JediMaster | sep: yes, nothing abnormal at all, and smbd is running in the memory, I've changed it to debug level 4 with -d 4 in the init.d file now and it's spewing lots of stuff, but no errors that I can see |
| 09:47.46 | avont_ | karsten: cd? |
| 09:47.57 | karsten | avont_: ?? |
| 09:48.05 | avont_ | change directory to that dir? |
| 09:48.10 | JediMaster | karsten: windows logging? |
| 09:48.20 | Isil`Zha | sep: thank you |
| 09:48.26 | karsten | JediMaster: If you're serving local shares to Windows clients. |
| 09:48.32 | sep | JediMaster, well since you run unstable you'r probably more proficent tehn me anyway so it would be pointless for me to try to help you |
| 09:49.09 | JediMaster | sep: well thanks for trying anyhow =) |
| 09:49.19 | avont_ | karsten: <a href="http://img68.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot8tg.png" target="_blank"><img src="http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/880/screenshot8tg.th.png" border="0" alt="Free Image Hosting at www.ImageShack.us" /></a> |
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| 09:49.24 | avont_ | oops |
| 09:49.25 | JediMaster | karsten: yes, how do you enable the logging in windows? |
| 09:49.29 | avont_ | karsten: do it asroot? |
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| 09:49.35 | karsten | avont_: No. |
| 09:49.38 | avont_ | it said not a directory |
| 09:49.41 | karsten | avont_: standard user. |
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| 09:50.08 | encoded | !version |
| 09:50.08 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 09:50.10 | karsten | JediMaster: Painfully. I think through the Control Panel => Administrative Tasks => System Event Viewer stuff. |
| 09:50.19 | karsten | JediMaster: ... but it varies and I don't play with it much. |
| 09:50.26 | SilverMoonDragon | hi |
| 09:50.31 | encoded | whats the current version of debian? |
| 09:50.32 | ustaadmin | hi, i again have the problem having very small letters in gtk-apps. I do not remember how to solve this, so i thought of asking again here :) |
| 09:50.41 | karsten | encoded: stable. |
| 09:50.47 | karsten | !tell encoded about versions |
| 09:50.49 | neo_ | Hi, I'm trying to remove KDE, but apt-get remove KDE didn't quite do the trick |
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| 09:51.18 | quinlan | anyone know of a good document comparing IMAP servers? |
| 09:51.18 | litage | what's the user "bin" for? |
| 09:51.24 | encoded | karsten, how far away is that from "sarge"? |
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| 09:51.40 | neo_ | I want to remove it from the login list as well |
| 09:51.45 | karsten | ustaadmin: vi ~/.gtkrc, copy from /etc/gtk/gtkrc.<localization> |
| 09:51.47 | Coweater | !tell neo_ -about remove kde |
| 09:51.57 | karsten | encoded: *Remarkably* close. |
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| 09:52.14 | karsten | litage: debian policy / LSB. |
| 09:52.22 | karsten | litage: /query dpkg same for more info. |
| 09:52.38 | karsten | avont_: Any luck? |
| 09:52.50 | encoded | do you guys realize that NT Kernel > * |
| 09:52.51 | encoded | ? |
| 09:52.54 | litage | thanks karsten |
| 09:53.16 | nayyares | i have been stuck with my PC mic. any getting no help from any body :( i can hear the echo from mic, but cant hear the recording ? |
| 09:53.16 | JediMaster | karsten: there's no sign of anything in the logs at all when I try to connect from the windows machine, and there's also no log.10.0.0.x log files being created either |
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| 09:53.34 | ustaadmin | how do i change my lettersize in gtkapps? |
| 09:53.39 | karsten | encoded: ?? |
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| 09:54.01 | encoded | you know... windows kernel > linux kernel |
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| 09:55.01 | karsten | ustaadmin: Modify your .gtkrc. Scrollback. |
| 09:55.01 | avont_ | karsten |
| 09:55.01 | avont_ | no, it said no such directory |
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| 09:55.02 | karsten | avont_: Hrm. |
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| 09:55.43 | karsten | avont_: How about just '/usr/sbin/hald' ? |
| 09:56.08 | karsten | avont_: My understanding is that this should be something that runs when your desktop starts. The fact that it isn't indicates a problem with your session or system. |
| 09:56.39 | ustaadmin | There was another solution to this problem than modifying gtkrc. Since i do not want to modify this file on all users |
| 09:57.08 | jm_ | ensure that your DPI setting is correctn and it'll work just fine |
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| 09:57.17 | avont_ | ok |
| 09:57.18 | avont_ | i see it |
| 09:57.21 | karsten | ustaadmin: If you edit the local users' account, you won't modify other users' settings. |
| 09:57.27 | avont_ | its in /usr/sbin/hald |
| 09:57.33 | avont_ | now what |
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| 09:57.59 | karsten | ust... and if you modify the global file, you do it once for all users (unless they've got a local copy and have overridden the settings). |
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| 09:58.20 | karsten | avont_: Run that command. It's a command / program you can execute. |
| 09:58.26 | JediMaster | ok this appears to be a stupid windows problem, seems to be working on another windows machine, it's just not connecting to the machine, which is weird as it can't be any sort of firewalling or network issue as the machine is also the internet gateway and it's connected to the net... hmmff windows crap |
| 09:58.26 | edrin | wie bekomme ich meinen PC in den hibernate modus? |
| 09:58.36 | liable | !de |
| 09:58.36 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 09:58.40 | karsten | avont_: ... and see if your initial problem (clicking on icons of removable devices IIRC) works now. |
| 09:58.41 | ekoo | apt-get remove mono but this still run... why? |
| 09:58.45 | avont_ | ok |
| 09:58.49 | neo_ | Hi, it didn't work |
| 09:58.57 | ustaadmin | karsten, but i want to have a "default" one |
| 09:59.04 | ustaadmin | so all users have correct settings |
| 09:59.21 | ustaadmin | There was a pretty simple solution to this, but i actually cannot remember |
| 09:59.24 | edrin | Wie bekomme ich meinen PC in den hibernate modus? |
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| 09:59.41 | neo_ | I want to get rid of KDE, but even when it says it has, it still opens KDE when I select it. |
| 09:59.42 | karsten | ustaadmin: See option b then. |
| 09:59.42 | karsten | !de |
| 09:59.42 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 09:59.54 | avont_ | karsten: once i click on it nothing happens |
| 10:00.01 | avont_ | how do i execute it |
| 10:00.02 | neo_ | I want to get rid of it completely |
| 10:00.11 | JediMaster | karsten: thanks for your help, going to try a reboot, grrr |
| 10:00.13 | jm_ | neo_: so do it |
| 10:00.19 | neo_ | I can't |
| 10:00.20 | QuikSIlver74 | hi , how i can automount my hard disk in my debian |
| 10:00.27 | avont_ | karsten: do it through terminal? |
| 10:00.30 | quinlan | hmmm |
| 10:00.35 | jm_ | that's pretty descriptive -- "I can't" |
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| 10:00.39 | neo_ | I tried apt-get --purge remove kdelibs |
| 10:00.41 | karsten | avont_: yes |
| 10:00.47 | quinlan | I'm trying to install dovecot which wants libssl0.9.8, but there is no libssl0.9.8 |
| 10:01.06 | avont_ | whats the command to execute the hald file? |
| 10:01.17 | karsten | avont_: /usr/sbin/hald |
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| 10:01.32 | karsten | avont_: The full path to a command will run that command. |
| 10:01.47 | edrin | wie mache ich meinen PC in den standby????? |
| 10:01.49 | quinlan | ah, nevermind |
| 10:02.04 | avont_ | ok |
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| 10:02.21 | karsten | edrin: Sprach heir bitte english. Mann kann deutsch sprachen in #debian-de. Klar? |
| 10:02.44 | liable | edrin: use english or leave. |
| 10:02.44 | karsten | quinlan: apt-cache search / auto-apt search. How goes? |
| 10:02.49 | edrin | sorry |
| 10:03.09 | avont_ | karsten: |
| 10:03.15 | avont_ | not a directory it said |
| 10:03.16 | quinlan | karsten: dpkg was confused from an earlier attempt to install the testing version, but this was not entirely clear from apt-get |
| 10:03.26 | quinlan | karsten: removed the testing package and then sarge worked fine |
| 10:03.37 | karsten | avont_: Um. Use paster (/query dpkg paster) to paste command and output. |
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| 10:03.42 | karsten | quinlan: OK. |
| 10:03.51 | karsten | quinlan: BTW: CIDR House-Rules. Seen it? |
| 10:04.04 | avont_ | ok |
| 10:04.12 | karsten | quinlan: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/cidr-house-rules.pdf |
| 10:04.15 | niaht | http://tinyurl.com/llul7 |
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| 10:05.05 | karsten | niaht: You a bot? |
| 10:06.00 | avont_ | karsten: http://pastebin.com/624694 |
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| 10:07.00 | karsten | avont_: Don't cd to it. Just run the command. |
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| 10:07.16 | tijn | morning |
| 10:07.17 | niaht | karsten: no |
| 10:07.18 | karsten | avont_: Enter '/usr/sbin/hald <return>' at a shell prompt. |
| 10:07.33 | karsten | niaht: That's convincing. |
| 10:07.38 | niaht | karsten: did my client go do something stupid? |
| 10:08.03 | niaht | oop.. noted ^^ |
| 10:08.13 | avont_ | shell promnt? |
| 10:08.17 | avont_ | you mean the terminall? |
| 10:08.17 | karsten | nias: ;-) |
| 10:08.31 | karsten | avont_: shell == terminal. Yes. |
| 10:08.50 | kd | ok, so I've opted for the scp+ssh approach with cups for now... |
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| 10:08.59 | avont_ | http://pastebin.com/624694 |
| 10:09.02 | avont_ | oops |
| 10:09.03 | avont_ | hold on |
| 10:09.04 | weasel | karsten: no, a shell usually is what runs inside a terminal emulator :) |
| 10:09.12 | avont_ | debian:/home/avont# /usr/sbin/hald <return> |
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| 10:09.21 | avont_ | bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline' |
| 10:09.24 | karsten | niaht: thought you might be some auto-tiny-url bot or something. |
| 10:09.24 | karsten | avont: you *really* want to find yourself a new-user guide to Linux. |
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| 10:09.46 | karsten | avont_: <retnurn> == the enter key. You're not typing that itself. |
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| 10:10.40 | avont_ | ok |
| 10:10.41 | avont_ | debian:/home/avont# /usr/sbin/hald |
| 10:10.51 | karsten | avont_: Right. |
| 10:10.52 | avont_ | i did that, and i just went to a newl ike |
| 10:10.56 | avont_ | line* |
| 10:11.18 | SimonRaven | yeh ... |
| 10:11.22 | avont_ | i can click remobable drive now? |
| 10:11.33 | avont_ | says the same thing |
| 10:11.36 | karsten | avont_: Try that (clicking drive). |
| 10:11.40 | avont_ | i did |
| 10:11.43 | karsten | avont_: Ok, well, that didn't solve the problem. |
| 10:11.47 | avont_ | it said need to start hald service |
| 10:11.57 | karsten | avont_: 'ps aux | grep [h]ald |
| 10:12.04 | karsten | avont_: ... anything appear? |
| 10:12.12 | avont_ | hold on |
| 10:12.26 | karsten | avont_: Might look vaguely like: hal 1358 0.0 0.2 4248 1084 ? Ss Mar21 0:00 /usr/sbin/hald |
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| 10:12.28 | row | will mysql5 server roll back to 4.1 without issues via apt? |
| 10:12.32 | row | anyone happen to know? |
| 10:12.43 | avont_ | nope nothing |
| 10:12.49 | sep | row, if you have a backup of your mysql databases to restore then yes |
| 10:12.53 | kohinoor | how can i send mail via smtp? |
| 10:13.03 | karsten | avont_: OK. The hald daemon's bugging out on you. |
| 10:13.04 | row | sep: sweet |
| 10:13.17 | karsten | avont_: I'm up past my bedtime, see if someone else can help you. |
| 10:13.22 | avont_ | :( |
| 10:13.24 | avont_ | ok |
| 10:13.31 | avont_ | i got to go to school in like 40 mins |
| 10:13.32 | avont_ | lol |
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| 10:14.34 | incorrect | stupid question, but does anyone know of a M$sql client for linux? |
| 10:15.00 | karsten | incorrect: sqlsh works. |
| 10:15.15 | incorrect | thanks |
| 10:15.21 | karsten | incorrect: cmdline only, natch. |
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| 10:15.38 | incorrect | karsten perfect :) |
| 10:15.47 | incorrect | i just want to dump the db for backups |
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| 10:18.13 | incorrect | oh there is no debian package |
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| 10:18.42 | speedlnx | hi |
| 10:19.13 | bartlebee | no debian package for mysql client?... it's actually called mysql-client |
| 10:19.19 | bartlebee | apt-cache search mysql-client |
| 10:19.33 | speedlnx | i'm looking an help to install debian on an ibm m360 server (8491) |
| 10:19.34 | jm_ | incorrect: there is |
| 10:19.40 | incorrect | sqlsh? |
| 10:19.43 | speedlnx | the problem is the sas adaptec controller |
| 10:19.47 | jm_ | yes |
| 10:19.50 | speedlnx | anyone can help me? |
| 10:19.51 | karsten | incorrect: Maybe "sqsh"? |
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| 10:20.04 | pengol | hi there ... I have a serial ata drive and some kernels see my disc as hdd and someother as sda ... anybody knows why? |
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| 10:20.08 | incorrect | thnks :) |
| 10:20.12 | karsten | speedlnx: Not very common kit here. |
| 10:20.12 | incorrect | sqsh it is |
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| 10:20.26 | karsten | incorrect: Bingo. |
| 10:20.44 | jm_ | pengol: libata presents them as SCSI disk, so sd* |
| 10:20.53 | karsten | pengol: That behavior varies by kernel. Later (more recent) kernels present as SCSI. |
| 10:21.06 | kohinoor | any command like utility for SMTP? |
| 10:21.14 | jm_ | kohinoor: man mail |
| 10:21.17 | Althaser | have some logs from pppoe dial ? please |
| 10:21.22 | incorrect | it needs lesstif1? wibble? |
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| 10:22.05 | speedlnx | karsten ? |
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| 10:22.48 | karsten | speedlnx: sorry, I read s390, not m360. |
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| 10:23.11 | karsten | speedlnx: I'll suggest you read the installation manual and boot opitons. |
| 10:23.28 | pengol | jm_: libata? |
| 10:23.36 | jm_ | pengol: yes |
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| 10:23.39 | karsten | speedlnx: Following that, if Knoppix recognizes the card (this *is* x86 kit, right)?, consider a chroot install. Appendix C. |
| 10:23.52 | pengol | karsten: 2.6.16 hdd and 2.6.8 as sda possible? |
| 10:24.06 | karsten | pengol: NFC |
| 10:24.43 | karsten | pengol: What jm_ said: it's libata or something, may depend on the drivers you've got installed. |
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| 10:24.52 | kohinoor | jm_ : thanks |
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| 10:24.55 | SpAnIaRd87 | hello |
| 10:25.03 | SpAnIaRd87 | my dns problem continues |
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| 10:25.14 | SpAnIaRd87 | it's not firewall and it's listening find |
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| 10:25.27 | SpAnIaRd87 | it can do a transfer to external client |
| 10:25.32 | speedlnx | karsten: thx, i'll try knoppix |
| 10:25.41 | pengol | NFC? |
| 10:25.47 | karsten | !tell pengol about nfc |
| 10:25.54 | SpAnIaRd87 | i don't understand it |
| 10:26.17 | karsten | speedlnx: The principle is that it's a lot easier to do an install when your HW's fully supported. You can add the appropriate modules as needed after the fact. |
| 10:27.04 | speedlnx | karsten: the problem is that this server doesn't have any ide or scsi port. only sata/sas |
| 10:27.42 | GNU_Style | wats a ping pong? |
| 10:28.00 | SpAnIaRd87 | just in case anyone has any ideas...people locally can query records on BIND server. people externally can only do zone transfers but cannot do queries. |
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| 10:28.06 | Ronin | GNU_Style: simply put ping are you there pong yes i am |
| 10:28.12 | petemc | SpAnIaRd87: it needs to be recursive |
| 10:28.16 | karsten | speedlnx: Not familiar with the HW, but Knoppix's HW coverage tends to be really good. |
| 10:28.37 | speedlnx | karsten: i'm downloading the iso :) |
| 10:29.27 | karsten | speedlnx: Ah. Laptop? |
| 10:29.30 | SpAnIaRd87 | petemc: what do you mean? |
| 10:29.47 | SpAnIaRd87 | petemc: allow recursion for the zone? |
| 10:29.55 | GNU_Style | is that an acronym? |
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| 10:30.26 | karsten | speedlnx: NM |
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| 10:32.33 | Delgul_at_work | Hi... if i wanted to install php 5.1.1 on debian, where could i find these (admittedly olb, but for me necessary) packages? |
| 10:32.54 | Gnea | !backports |
| 10:32.54 | dpkg | i heard backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 10:33.01 | Gnea | Delgul_at_work: ^^ |
| 10:33.24 | Delgul_at_work | Gnea: Indeed... but they are at 5.1.2 not? |
| 10:33.26 | Gnea | Delgul_at_work: if they're not there, there's a chance they're in experimental |
| 10:33.39 | Gnea | Delgul_at_work: i don't know, check it out |
| 10:34.12 | Delgul_at_work | Gnea: They are too new already. They are at 5.1.2.. I need 5.1.1. Is there a place where old packages are kept or are they thrown away? |
| 10:34.43 | pengol | jm_: what option do enable libsata in the SCSI subsection? |
| 10:34.46 | Gnea | Delgul_at_work: try the site, usually older versions are lying around |
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| 10:36.01 | CoolCubix | how can i see if linux has detected one of my device on a COM port ? |
| 10:36.06 | CoolCubix | s+ |
| 10:36.07 | CoolCubix | +s |
| 10:36.48 | kohinoor | use minicom |
| 10:36.55 | jm_ | pengol: Serial ATA (SATA) support |
| 10:38.07 | pengol | jm_: great ... thanks I was blind :) |
| 10:38.13 | SpAnIaRd87 | petemc: i set it to allow recursion and it still doesn't work? |
| 10:38.32 | CoolCubix | kohinoor, what should i do with it to know the port number of my device ? |
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| 10:38.40 | SpAnIaRd87 | petemc: i still get DNS time-out errors when querying from the outside |
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| 10:39.15 | SpAnIaRd87 | anyone else have any ideas? |
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| 10:42.10 | jengelh | anyone with 64-bit around? |
| 10:42.12 | petemc | SpAnIaRd87: do you have sections in named.conf "int" and "ext" ? |
| 10:42.37 | jengelh | if so, does libz* or libgz* exist in /usr/lib64 or /lib64? |
| 10:46.36 | SpAnIaRd87 | petemc: i did to test but it didn't seem to make a difference |
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| 10:46.55 | SpAnIaRd87 | petemc: i had external-in and internal-in |
| 10:47.01 | jelly-ho | If a package user a subdir in /var/run, should it make an effort to create it in its init script? |
| 10:47.09 | jelly-ho | s/user/uses/ |
| 10:47.39 | jelly-ho | eg. slapd and /var/run/slapd |
| 10:47.45 | SimonRaven | it should, because it's not guaranteed to be there on boot |
| 10:47.52 | liable | jengelh: try #debian-amd64 |
| 10:48.00 | jelly-ho | ok, so another bug for slapd. ;-) |
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| 10:49.12 | jengelh | liable : never mind, I found lib64z1.deb |
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| 10:50.05 | SimonRaven | jelly-ho: oh, sec. let me check something |
| 10:50.09 | jelly-ho | Interesting that /etc/init.d/bootclean.sh makes an effort to keep directories under /var/run. That won't help if this is a tmpfs though. |
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| 10:52.35 | Jeeves_Moss | all: any one still awake in here? |
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| 10:53.13 | SimonRaven | jelly-ho: indeed, it should. but it should fetch the data from slapd.conf |
| 10:53.19 | Jeeves_Moss | all: hello? I need some assistance with a networking issue. |
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| 10:53.28 | SimonRaven | just fucking ask |
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| 10:53.41 | SimonRaven | sorry for being impatient |
| 10:54.13 | SimonRaven | !tell Jeeves_Moss -about ask |
| 10:55.29 | Jeeves_Moss | SimonRavon: geee, don't you think I was here earlier and talked with the machine? |
| 10:55.41 | SimonRaven | don't let my snakry response give you a bad impression of me |
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| 10:55.55 | SimonRaven | what machine, the bot? |
| 10:56.09 | Jeeves_Moss | SimonRaven: Yes, the bot. |
| 10:56.12 | jm_ | he was here earlier, showing exactly the same behaviour |
| 10:56.21 | jelly-ho | SimonRaven: it does get stuff from slapd.conf, but the default is indeed /var/run/slapd, and I see no mkdir (with or withour a check for '^/var/run/' or something). Ok, thanks. |
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| 10:57.34 | SimonRaven | jelly-ho: yeh; it should most definitely fetch it from the conf, since that's where the daemon itself gets it (obviously). the init script in this case should get dictated to by the daemon |
| 10:58.28 | SimonRaven | *sigh*. some people have a hard time learning |
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| 10:59.53 | dpkg | somebody said dpkg was mad |
| 11:00.00 | GNU_Style | !dpkg dpkg |
| 11:00.32 | jelly-ho | !test |
| 11:00.32 | dpkg | No, jelly-ho, you're not online any more. |
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| 11:07.40 | quik__ | hey folks |
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| 11:08.06 | quik__ | I just restarted the debian box at work and it didn't come back up. It does this when the monitor is not plugged in.. why is this? |
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| 11:09.35 | fluxdude | quik__: perhaps it has a halt on keyboard missing error? |
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| 11:09.46 | quik__ | on keyboard missing? |
| 11:09.50 | quik__ | ... but its the monitor? |
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| 11:10.04 | paulsen | is portmap needed for anything else than nfs on debian? |
| 11:10.37 | jm_ | paulsen: yes |
| 11:10.54 | paulsen | jm_: what is it needed for? |
| 11:11.33 | jm_ | paulsen: it's a portmapper, used by applications utilising RPC-s |
| 11:11.54 | mooed | tcpwrappers |
| 11:12.12 | paulsen | jm_: sorry, my question was a little vague |
| 11:12.37 | paulsen | jm_: I know what portmapper is used for, but does any of the default services/apps on debian stable require portmap? (except nfs) |
| 11:13.10 | SimonRaven | depends if it uses RPC or not heh |
| 11:13.11 | ozux__ | How can I delete my route table; |
| 11:13.16 | jm_ | paulsen: it's not part of base, it's not installed by default - you can easily find out which packages depnd on it |
| 11:13.25 | jm_ | depend* |
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| 11:14.10 | paulsen | oh, it's a package.. I didnt see that |
| 11:14.13 | paulsen | hm ok thanks |
| 11:14.13 | SilverMoonDragon | hello |
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| 11:18.21 | ozux__ | How can I delete my route table in debian?! (from Command line) |
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| 11:19.02 | paulsen | ozux__: man route |
| 11:19.10 | paulsen | (you are looking for the route -del) |
| 11:19.24 | petemc | route is deprecated, install iproute |
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| 11:19.37 | paulsen | it is? |
| 11:19.42 | petemc | yeah |
| 11:19.48 | paulsen | I'm running debian 3.1r1 |
| 11:19.56 | paulsen | no iproute installed there by default |
| 11:20.03 | petemc | no, but you can install it |
| 11:20.29 | d4t2ilL4 | hi |
| 11:20.36 | SimonRaven | @installit |
| 11:20.37 | ravenbird | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 11:20.37 | paulsen | I understand that, but it sounds weird if its depreciated in a new release |
| 11:20.39 | scratchi | SimonRaven: Error: "installit" is not a valid command. |
| 11:20.42 | jm_ | too bad linux doesn't have route -f like other unices |
| 11:20.58 | SimonRaven | scratchi: fuck off bot |
| 11:20.59 | scratchi | SimonRaven: Error: "fuck" is not a valid command. |
| 11:21.03 | paulsen | haha |
| 11:21.05 | d4t2ilL4 | i would like to setup raid 1 for myserver, but I don't know how to setup the partition to raid |
| 11:21.22 | SimonRaven | @ops scratchi - some other stranger bot |
| 11:21.23 | scratchi | SimonRaven: Error: "ops" is not a valid command. |
| 11:21.23 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, azeem, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: scratchi - some other stranger bot |
| 11:21.42 | mentor | hmmm. |
| 11:22.01 | mentor | Ah. |
| 11:22.06 | mentor | SupyBot again |
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| 11:22.26 | mentor | Well, ravenbird ain't official, but it's just rude. |
| 11:22.39 | ozux__ | Any body Install Debian Sarge on SATA hard disks?! |
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| 11:22.57 | SimonRaven | fucking thing using my bot's trigger too :|. yeh, but at least it's accepted |
| 11:23.10 | SimonRaven | and it's polite too :P |
| 11:23.25 | mentor | I mean, it's rude to use another man's trigger |
| 11:23.28 | incorrect | does anyone know of a M$SQL backup tool for linux? |
| 11:23.35 | SimonRaven | oh, yeh |
| 11:23.50 | weissi | !test |
| 11:23.50 | dpkg | Sorry, weissi, I didn't get your test. |
| 11:23.54 | Acidz0r | ozux__, use linux26 to boot |
| 11:24.02 | SimonRaven | it's tolerated in #debian-bots, and #BotPark |
| 11:24.38 | mentor | well, yes |
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| 11:28.02 | SimonRaven | mentor: :). thank you, btw |
| 11:28.16 | mentor | np |
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| 11:29.01 | mentor | mwh |
| 11:29.26 | mentor | Not one single piece of software ever makes it easy to manage keys |
| 11:29.55 | mentor | At the very least you think they could have the tools within the same application bundle use the same bloody format |
| 11:30.00 | SimonRaven | lots of attempts, some better than others, all of them patchy |
| 11:30.08 | ozux__ | quit |
| 11:30.13 | SimonRaven | yeh.. |
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| 11:32.01 | Phi | hola |
| 11:32.29 | Phi | hay alguien ahi? |
| 11:32.40 | redguy | !es |
| 11:32.40 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 11:37.49 | Noboru | dinner time |
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| 11:40.18 | paulsen | Does anyone have instructions for getting https working with apache2? |
| 11:40.45 | SimonRaven | apache.org mod_ssl docs |
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| 11:41.21 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 11:41.21 | dpkg | somebody said popcon was the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 11:41.27 | SimonRaven | see the right section; apache1 and 2 have each their own docs |
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| 11:41.50 | Noboru | apache v1 and v2 ,which one is better ? |
| 11:41.55 | tarzeau | 1 |
| 11:42.07 | SimonRaven | depends what you want to do |
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| 11:42.22 | Noboru | hmm |
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| 11:42.40 | Noboru | how come there comes a 'depend' ? |
| 11:42.51 | SimonRaven | there's a page which lists the differences between the two on apache.org |
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| 11:43.11 | Noboru | I see |
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| 11:43.16 | SimonRaven | Noboru: can you elucidate on what you mean by that? |
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| 11:44.05 | Noboru | i mean... for example, IE 6.0 is better than IE5,i dont understand why it depends on ..for chooseing either apache1 or apache2 |
| 11:44.16 | Trent | how can i change my current keymap? |
| 11:44.29 | tarzeau | Trent: x or console? |
| 11:44.32 | Trent | console |
| 11:44.40 | paulsen | SimonRaven: that 'documentation' mostly only explains how the TLS protocol works |
| 11:44.45 | tarzeau | Trent: loadkeys |
| 11:44.48 | azeem | Noboru: web servers are quite complicated and for a large set of applications |
| 11:44.50 | paulsen | SimonRaven: it doesnt mention much about using mod_ssl with virtualhosts for example |
| 11:44.51 | Trent | alright thanks :) |
| 11:44.57 | tarzeau | Noboru: who says the bigger version number is better? it's really only newer |
| 11:45.05 | azeem | apache1 and apache2 are quite different, so both are better or worse for some applications |
| 11:45.25 | quik__ | apache2 isn't good for much |
| 11:45.29 | SimonRaven | azeem: indeed they are |
| 11:45.34 | Noboru | sorry,i made a mistake. IE is a browser not a httpd |
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| 11:47.33 | d4t2ilL4 | is there any doc where it shows me how to create partitions for a raid? |
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| 11:48.04 | weissi | !raid d4t2ilL4 |
| 11:48.14 | weissi | !raid |
| 11:48.14 | dpkg | rumour has it, raid is Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks, the opposite of SLED, or what master.debian.org doesn't have See also: raid {0-5}, or http://people.debian.org/~blade/install/preload/, or see http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/product/markeditorial.html?prodkey=quick_explanation_of_raid, or see <software raid> |
| 11:48.33 | darcuss21 | hi. i wondered if anyone can help me get my soundcard working. i've installed alsa but no luck |
| 11:50.17 | weissi | darcuss21: did you turn up the mixer volume?? |
| 11:50.28 | darcuss21 | yes, i believe so |
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| 11:50.42 | weissi | darcuss21: ahh you believe :-) better check it |
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| 11:51.02 | weissi | !alsa |
| 11:51.02 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard or see <alsa-checklist> |
| 11:51.05 | weissi | !alsa-checklist |
| 11:51.05 | dpkg | rumour has it, alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf 2) add your user to the audio group 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 11:51.38 | weissi | darcuss21: check these docs and if it still doesn't work, come back and ask us (and provide as much infomation as possible) |
| 11:52.08 | darcuss21 | thanks all for your help. i'll look at these now = ) |
| 11:52.54 | d4t2ilL4 | weissi, I understand roughly raid 1, but how do i partition the drive, got any docu on that? |
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| 11:53.32 | d4t2ilL4 | i am at the bit where it says partition disk, debian surely can read my raid card because it recognise the 2 drives connected to it |
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| 11:53.56 | liable | d4t2ilL4: set it is raid autodetect |
| 11:54.01 | weissi | d4t2ilL4: did you check that: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html |
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| 11:54.33 | cakoose | Every once in a while, my system gets into a funky state and all media I play runs a little bit too fast (around 1.2x). This happens in XMMS, MPlayer, and Xine. What dials can I mess with? |
| 11:55.07 | weissi | cakoose: what??? I never heard that :-) |
| 11:55.43 | d4t2ilL4 | weissi, I am just glancing thru the setup, so it means i jsut install normally, on 1 disk then download raid tools to create a raid. |
| 11:55.45 | cakoose | weissi: I've seen a couple forum postings from people with the same problem, but no answers. |
| 11:55.49 | weissi | cakoose: btw. do you have a mobile processor? |
| 11:55.58 | cakoose | weissi: No |
| 11:56.08 | d4t2ilL4 | what i am confused with is that there's a feature in the debian partition disk page, it says to create a logical software raid |
| 11:56.09 | weissi | cakoose: so I've absolutely no idea... |
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| 11:56.35 | weissi | d4t2ilL4: you want to create a software raid and directly install on it?? |
| 11:56.43 | cakoose | weissi: I think this started happening the last time I upgraded my kernel. Maybe I need to get the latest version. |
| 11:56.48 | liable | d4t2ilL4: you can create a software raid setup during install.. |
| 11:56.48 | beckman | kann mir wer sagen, wie ich eine bestimmte version von xorg mit apt-get installiere? ich will v6.8 (wegen probs mit ATI bei 6.9/7.0) |
| 11:56.54 | beckman | k. english ^^ |
| 11:56.54 | Acidz0r | !de |
| 11:56.55 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
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| 11:57.12 | beckman | can anyone tell me how to install a specific version of xorg with apt-get? |
| 11:57.12 | SimonRaven | !de |
| 11:57.13 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 11:57.14 | Google_Firefox | instruction Google Adsense--> http://planet.nana.co.il/hartk2003/en.htm Download Firefox® --> http://planet.nana.co.il/hartk2003/Firefox.htm |
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| 11:57.35 | d4t2ilL4 | liable, yes I am trying to figure that out, i need a walk thru for this, i am not quite sure what is need to be done at that setup, at one stage i create a raid FS on both drives, |
| 11:58.08 | liable | d4t2ilL4: you mark both as raidautodetect, then create the device, then parition it. |
| 11:58.18 | d4t2ilL4 | then created software raid, but then when i tried to create the swap area and the / mount it wouldnt let me |
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| 11:58.30 | d4t2ilL4 | liable, ahhh |
| 11:58.32 | liable | d4t2ilL4: i am rusty on exact details, been a while |
| 11:58.43 | SimonRaven | @ops Google_Firefox spamming nonsense |
| 11:58.43 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, azeem, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: Google_Firefox spamming nonsense |
| 11:59.00 | d4t2ilL4 | let me try again |
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| 12:00.06 | d4t2ilL4 | liable when you say automatic raid do you mean the filesystem type |
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| 12:00.09 | Google_Firefox | instruction Google Adsense--> http://planet.nana.co.il/hartk2003/en.htm Download Firefox® --> http://planet.nana.co.il/hartk2003/Firefox.htm |
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| 12:00.16 | liable | d4t2ilL4: yes |
| 12:00.28 | blondie | twat |
| 12:00.32 | d4t2ilL4 | there's only physical volume for RAID |
| 12:00.34 | liable | heh |
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| 12:00.54 | SimonRaven | FFS |
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| 12:01.14 | blondie | !ops "Google_Firefox" needs a ban. |
| 12:01.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: "Google_Firefox" needs a ban. |
| 12:01.16 | d4t2ilL4 | liable, I've tried it before, but when i created the RAID, it wont let me partition more than 2 partitions on the created raid array |
| 12:01.21 | khan11 | i am unable to display URDU language in firefox? even the URDU fonts are installed ? |
| 12:01.23 | mentor | gone already |
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| 12:01.54 | liable | d4t2ilL4: really? um, dunno |
| 12:01.54 | blondie | well, he keeps reappearing :) |
| 12:02.01 | SimonRaven | thank you |
| 12:02.02 | mentor | Same host? |
| 12:02.13 | mentor | I mean |
| 12:02.18 | blondie | yes |
| 12:02.23 | mentor | Has he appeared before now? |
| 12:02.24 | blondie | same host, same nick |
| 12:02.30 | liable | nope |
| 12:02.32 | mentor | k |
| 12:02.58 | SimonRaven | khan11: have you configured the system and your own locale? |
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| 12:05.39 | zignig | BLEH to you and your alien space monkeys! |
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| 12:08.26 | d4t2ilL4 | liable, I did what you said, but it will only let me to create 1 partition |
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| 12:08.29 | Danieal | hello all |
| 12:08.35 | Danieal | i have a question! :) |
| 12:08.39 | d4t2ilL4 | so i created / only, and no swap area and it seem to be installing |
| 12:08.42 | khan11 | SimonRaven, no, how can i? i can type in urdu in gedit etc. |
| 12:08.45 | d4t2ilL4 | but no SWAP??????? whatthe |
| 12:08.55 | liable | can someone /msg me that link the asshole just posted? it crashed firefox and my wm. (curiosity got the better of me) |
| 12:09.11 | liable | d4t2ilL4: i dont know |
| 12:09.13 | Danieal | anyone know of a linux application that will redistribute HTTP requests from the web to other local machines baste on the URL |
| 12:09.20 | Danieal | based* |
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| 12:09.27 | zignig | d4t2ilL4: you don't need swap , if you run out of ram your system will crash. |
| 12:09.52 | d4t2ilL4 | zignig, thanks man |
| 12:09.53 | zignig | Danieal: you can use apache a redirector or squid as a backwards proxy. |
| 12:09.57 | d4t2ilL4 | so you cant raid swap ? |
| 12:10.11 | SimonRaven | khan11: utf-8 howto should help. also, sudo apt-get install locales |
| 12:10.12 | zignig | Danieal: just use internal dns to re-distribute the requests. |
| 12:10.25 | pde_was_stolen | hmmm, cdrecord has stopped working |
| 12:10.32 | pde_was_stolen | cdrecord -scanbus gives the rather helpful message: |
| 12:10.35 | pde_was_stolen | cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver. |
| 12:10.35 | pde_was_stolen | cdrecord: For possible targets try 'cdrecord -scanbus'. |
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| 12:11.09 | Danieal | zignig: does apache have a feature to do this inbuilt? |
| 12:11.32 | liable | pde_was_stolen: cdrecord dev=ATA: -scanbus |
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| 12:12.17 | Danieal | zignig: i basically want to have it so when people search http://www.mywebsite.com they get my windows server but when they search http://mail.mywebsite.com they get my linux server |
| 12:12.29 | pde_was_stolen | liable: it spits the dummy trying to open /dev/hda |
| 12:12.39 | pde_was_stolen | liable: actually, I shouldn't need to do -scanbus at all |
| 12:12.47 | pde_was_stolen | since I know it's dev=0,0,0 |
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| 12:13.07 | pde_was_stolen | that gives the same error though |
| 12:13.17 | zignig | Danieal: reverse squid has worked for me before, just serve it on port 80 as a proxy , not a cache. |
| 12:13.31 | Danieal | zignig: thank you! i will investigate :) |
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| 12:14.04 | pde_was_stolen | why does it care about /dev/pg0? |
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| 12:14.42 | pde_was_stolen | scsidev: '0,0,0' |
| 12:14.42 | pde_was_stolen | scsibus: 0 target: 0 lun: 0 |
| 12:14.42 | pde_was_stolen | cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg0'. Cannot open SCSI driver. |
| 12:16.10 | pde_was_stolen | haha, this works |
| 12:16.18 | pde_was_stolen | dev=/dev/sr0:0,0,0 |
| 12:16.26 | pde_was_stolen | guess the cdrecord CLI must have changed |
| 12:16.26 | liable | d4t2ilL4: you can make a swap file, i have no idea why you cant make more partitions. |
| 12:17.18 | blondie | what is pde? |
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| 12:18.04 | fontp | what would i use to print out a specific line from a file ? |
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| 12:18.35 | fontp | i dont think I see an appropriate cat / head flag in the man page |
| 12:18.50 | sep | fontp, grep perhaps ? depends on your circumstances |
| 12:19.01 | fontp | unless i head -n whatever and then pipe it to tail -n1 |
| 12:19.19 | fontp | err, by specfic line, i meant ... 1st line , 2nd line , 25th line |
| 12:19.26 | fontp | sorrry I didn't clarify that. |
| 12:21.19 | petemc | fontp: sed -n '25p' |
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| 12:24.14 | fontp | thanks, pete |
| 12:25.11 | petemc | fontp: you can add more line numbers comma seperated |
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| 12:25.17 | petemc | sed -n '1,2,25p' |
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| 12:33.06 | amee2k | for a few days now i frequently see commands like PROMPT_COMMAND='pwd>&7;kill -STOP $$' in my bash history but i didn't enter them. should i be worried? |
| 12:34.13 | liable | amee2k: what wm? |
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| 12:34.47 | amee2k | i usually use ion2 wm or icewm |
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| 12:35.36 | amee2k | but i don't start X everytime i use the computer because often bash+screen is just what i want |
| 12:35.41 | k1ckn1ck | hi i am trying to install the squirrelmail package but i am unsure which apache config file i place "alias /webmail/ "/usr/share/squirrelmail/"" |
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| 12:36.20 | liable | amee2k: i have seen them. got a feeling its from a file browser or something |
| 12:36.42 | amee2k | hm..midnight commander? |
| 12:36.45 | jvw | k1ckn1ck: you could "Inculde /etc/squirrelmail/apache.conf" into /etc/apache2/httpd.conf or so |
| 12:37.08 | jvw | or better yet, symlink it from /etc/apache2/sites-enabled |
| 12:37.30 | amee2k | that's the only 'filebrowser' i use, besides ls |
| 12:37.37 | liable | amee2k: posibly. i use that mostly too. |
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| 12:39.45 | amee2k | is there a midnight commander related channel on freenode? maybe i could ask there |
| 12:40.18 | amee2k | #mc and #midnightcommander don't exist |
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| 12:43.01 | snail | amee2k: look through the bash history for what point they appear; grep through ~/.* and skel for the strings; google for the string... |
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| 12:44.06 | prem_ | hi all, |
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| 12:44.25 | kimo | anyone used Thin client environment? What's the server requirements per user typically ?? |
| 12:44.59 | prem_ | all of a sudden my usb hotplug stopped working, when i connect i used to get the automounted usb-drive but no more ... any idea where it could be wrong |
| 12:45.40 | sarthi | kimo : well in normal condition 50MB RAM is enough for client |
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| 12:45.55 | tarzeau | amee2k: just ask here about mc |
| 12:46.39 | liable | he did :) |
| 12:46.39 | kimo | sarthi: so a 512 MB ram, can serve 10 users ? |
| 12:46.41 | sep | kimo, our rule of thumb is use dual cpu's , 2Mb network traffic/client, 256 Mb ram for server + 64Mb ram /client |
| 12:47.31 | kimo | sep: 256MB on server, enough for how many users |
| 12:47.55 | sep | kimo, that's for the server's own processes + 64 MB/ for each connected client |
| 12:48.03 | kimo | ohh sorry |
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| 12:48.09 | k1ckn1ck | i only have conf.d in the apache2 folder??? |
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| 12:48.31 | k1ckn1ck | i have a httpd.conf in /etc/apache/ tho |
| 12:48.44 | sarthi | sep : did u try dapper drake LTSP enviroment? |
| 12:49.02 | sep | sarthi, what is the dapper drake ? |
| 12:49.20 | kimo | sarthi: is it good ? |
| 12:49.20 | sep | sarthi, im using ltsp4.1 and ltsp muecow from the ltsp project |
| 12:49.33 | sarthi | ubuntu dapper drake? |
| 12:49.49 | kimo | I am thinking about using thinstation |
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| 12:50.10 | sep | sarthi, ubuntu ? no i use sarge, |
| 12:50.43 | sep | sarthi, ltsp acts the same on all distroes tho so what you run it on is irrelevant |
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| 12:51.14 | prem_ | no seamonkey in sid/etch |
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| 12:52.15 | kimo | sep: sarthi : anyone used thinstation ? |
| 12:52.22 | jm_ | can you spank a sea monkey? huerhuerhuer |
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| 12:53.41 | sarthi | well i think pxes has better than thinstation what u said sep? |
| 12:53.44 | zignig | the new etch debian install rocks, empty install is only 189Mb , w00t! |
| 12:53.46 | azeem | prem_: what's wrong with firefox? |
| 12:54.11 | jm_ | zignig: in that case it's not empty, no? |
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| 12:54.14 | sep | kimo, not userful for me, since i only connect to X |
| 12:54.31 | zignig | jm_: no extra packages or tasks. |
| 12:54.38 | zignig | jm_: ;P |
| 12:54.46 | jm_ | zignig: so the base? |
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| 12:54.58 | kimo | sep: do u know if it contains a server as well, or should I use LTSP server + thinstation ? |
| 12:55.05 | _Brandon_ | hi, anyone know how to create an .iso file from .gi? |
| 12:55.11 | zignig | jm_: yes, just the base. |
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| 12:55.27 | zignig | jm_: and you can strip it down futher by taking out doc and localizations. |
| 12:55.35 | sep | kimo, thinstation is just a client that can connect to all kinds of servers, |
| 12:55.46 | kimo | ok, thnx |
| 12:55.54 | prem_ | azeem, no problem, i don't want to use 2 different apps for mail and browser, i like mozilla as a suite. |
| 12:56.05 | sep | kimo, ltsp is s system consisting of a netbooting client and the X running on the server |
| 12:56.23 | zignig | mmm, PXE booting. |
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| 12:56.51 | k1ckn1ck | how do u restart apache on debian |
| 12:56.54 | sep | kimo, adn both ltsp and thinstation supports pxe booting |
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| 12:57.05 | sep | k1ckn1ck, /etc/init.d/apache[2] restart |
| 12:57.37 | k1ckn1ck | i dont have apache2 |
| 12:57.42 | k1ckn1ck | dir |
| 12:58.43 | dimir | it's file, a script to start/stop apache web server. |
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| 12:59.10 | sep | k1ckn1ck, the [2] means either apache or apache2 |
| 12:59.28 | k1ckn1ck | oh ok sorry sep |
| 12:59.35 | k1ckn1ck | it seems to work now thank you :D |
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| 12:59.43 | k1ckn1ck | neva thought linux cud be such a pain :( |
| 12:59.59 | sep | k1ckn1ck, never thougt there could be so daft users :) |
| 13:00.05 | sep | hehe |
| 13:00.25 | SimonRaven | !cud |
| 13:00.26 | dpkg | i guess cud is what cows chew. It's NOT an alternative spelling of "could". |
| 13:00.30 | Ronin | sep: they will always surprise you :) |
| 13:01.30 | SlayerXP | dpkg, neva is A river in St. Petersburg, Russia. Perhaps you mean "never" ? |
| 13:01.31 | dpkg | okay, SlayerXP |
| 13:01.41 | SlayerXP | !neva |
| 13:01.41 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, neva is A river in St. Petersburg, Russia. Perhaps you mean "never" ? |
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| 13:03.27 | SimonRaven | if you want to avoid things like 'extra, extra, read all about it' add <reply> in front |
| 13:03.40 | k1ckn1ck | i'll not argue with that sep, i have been pretty blonde for the last 2 years :P |
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| 13:11.05 | beorn | hi guys |
| 13:11.19 | hoodlum | hi |
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| 13:11.37 | beorn | there's one thing that's been bothering me for years... and i'm sure it's an easy answer for you guys :) |
| 13:11.56 | beorn | how the heck do you troubleshoot issues like: |
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| 13:12.14 | beorn | Removing libapache-mod-python2.3 ... |
| 13:12.15 | beorn | dpkg: error processing libapache-mod-python2.3 (--remove): |
| 13:12.15 | beorn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:12.32 | jm_ | by debugging the script in question |
| 13:12.35 | asg | beorn: hack the prerm script |
| 13:12.38 | beorn | where can i find it? |
| 13:12.45 | locus | anyone here uses ipvs/keepalived on stable? |
| 13:12.48 | asg | beorn: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
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| 13:13.35 | beorn | it's been bothering for years... :) i'd be really happy if it works... let me have a look first ;) |
| 13:14.47 | jelly-ho | beorn: put set -x at the beginning of the script, try again and see where it breaks. |
| 13:15.00 | jm_ | as long as it's a shell script |
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| 13:15.52 | SimonRaven | too bad perl doesn't have something similar. you have perl -d, or -c. and -d is too much when you run it with s |
| 13:17.34 | hoodlum | hi, i have a brief question |
| 13:18.03 | dimir | shoot! |
| 13:18.06 | asg | #undergarments, #legal |
| 13:18.08 | hoodlum | im trying to load nvidia drivers on my system, but im getting the error "no kernel interface was loaded..." or something along those lines |
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| 13:18.26 | hoodlum | precompiled kernel interface even |
| 13:18.28 | hoodlum | i think it was that. |
| 13:18.34 | dimir | hoodlum: you have to compile the nvidia module for you kernel. |
| 13:18.35 | beorn | that's weird, it doesn't break when i run it manually |
| 13:18.42 | hoodlum | ok dimir |
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| 13:18.44 | beorn | ./libapache-mod-python2.3.prerm |
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| 13:18.53 | beorn | + '[' '' = remove -o '' = purge ']' |
| 13:18.56 | beorn | + dpkg -L libapache-mod-python2.3 |
| 13:18.58 | beorn | + awk '$0~/\.py$/ {print $0"c\n" $0"o"}' |
| 13:19.01 | beorn | + xargs rm -f |
| 13:19.03 | beorn | + exit 0 |
| 13:19.04 | beorn | exit 0 looks good |
| 13:19.06 | beorn | root@qiaoj |
| 13:19.09 | beorn | that looks normal, right? |
| 13:19.09 | hoodlum | so i would have to extract the contents of the .run file correct? |
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| 13:19.11 | jm_ | !tell beorn -about paste |
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| 13:19.30 | asg | beorn: your environment is different from that the script is running under most likely |
| 13:19.31 | dimir | hoodlum: you need the sources of the running kernel. The Nvidia installer will then compile the module for your kernel. |
| 13:19.39 | hoodlum | ok |
| 13:20.08 | hoodlum | ok, so where would i find the sources dimir ? |
| 13:20.19 | bloodaxe | i need your help to mount an gmail account please |
| 13:20.40 | zerokarmaleft | hoodlum: kernel-headers-* where * matches the version of the running kernel |
| 13:20.47 | hoodlum | okie... |
| 13:20.47 | bloodaxe | when i mount my account i have the error "unknow dile system type "gmailfs"" |
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| 13:20.53 | zerokarmaleft | hoodlum: you'll also probably need build-essential |
| 13:20.53 | beorn | asg: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2240 |
| 13:20.58 | hoodlum | oh ok |
| 13:21.04 | beorn | hm. |
| 13:21.17 | bloodaxe | i had instal gmailfs package |
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| 13:21.25 | bloodaxe | what can i do? |
| 13:21.27 | jm_ | put set -x at the top of the script, and try to remove it again |
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| 13:22.53 | beorn | jm_: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2241 |
| 13:22.57 | jelly-ho | beorn: it actually looks strange, but for another reason: there's no "$1" argument to the script. |
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| 13:23.14 | beorn | jelly-ho: i ran it manually, probably why :( |
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| 13:23.31 | jm_ | beorn: looks like modules-config causes it, try running modules-config apache disable mod_python |
| 13:23.35 | hoodlum | how would i find out my kernel version? |
| 13:23.41 | asg | hoodlum: uname -r |
| 13:23.44 | hoodlum | thanks |
| 13:23.44 | Isil`Zha | how do i edit "Local version" in the kernel setup? if i just add a custom value there the compiling will fail complaining about the version |
| 13:24.05 | beorn | jm_: yeah, that's it... |
| 13:24.07 | jm_ | Isil`Zha: via config system you use |
| 13:24.31 | hoodlum | excellent its dl'ing :D |
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| 13:25.27 | Isil`Zha | jm_: i use menuconfig. my problem is rather what i would be setting there so it won't complain in the end |
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| 13:25.53 | jm_ | Isil`Zha: why would it complain at all? |
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| 13:26.13 | Isil`Zha | jm_: don't ask me... it does... |
| 13:26.30 | jm_ | Isil`Zha: it works fine for me, just tested it |
| 13:26.45 | zaikxtox | hello. how can i kill a process that is : 26392 ? Z 0:00 [firefox] <defunct> |
| 13:26.52 | asg | zaikxtox: kill it's parent |
| 13:26.56 | asg | !zombie |
| 13:26.57 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
| 13:26.59 | Isil`Zha | jm_: or no i guess i got you now. i just would like to add that as there is a feature to do so. but seems i miss some point there... |
| 13:27.00 | zaikxtox | i tried kill -9 26392 |
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| 13:27.04 | beorn | jm_: jelly-ho: asg: i had a problematic apache installation, and because /etc/apache/httpd.conf exists, it would try to run the modules-config on apache as well. i removed /etc/apache and it installs ok :) |
| 13:27.09 | zaikxtox | oooh... |
| 13:27.11 | asg | zaikxtox: you can't kill a zombie, it's already dead |
| 13:27.14 | asg | zaikxtox: kill its parent |
| 13:27.48 | Isil`Zha | jm_: you just tested? it complains about that at the very end of compiling. |
| 13:28.22 | jm_ | Isil`Zha: not for me, it recompiled a few objects and then linked the thing, no issues at all |
| 13:28.36 | zaikxtox | asg, is there a standard way to find a process parent? |
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| 13:30.20 | www | help:how can i install sid? Is there a netinst.iso for sid? |
| 13:30.38 | Ronin | www: basically if you have to ask how you really shouldn't be running sid |
| 13:30.42 | shining_ | zaikxtox: ps |
| 13:31.47 | asg | www: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 13:32.23 | infernix | ugh. someone installed sarge with dutch locales so its all dutch text; should i dpkg-reconfigure base-config or locales? |
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| 13:32.46 | SimonRaven | locales |
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| 13:33.04 | jetscreamer | and maybe console-data also, not sure though |
| 13:33.29 | www | thank you , asg |
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| 13:35.30 | HHec | debhelper: hi.... |
| 13:35.34 | infernix | well not locales for sure |
| 13:35.52 | azeem | HHec: debhelper is a bot |
| 13:35.55 | infernix | its still in dutch |
| 13:35.58 | infernix | *the horror* |
| 13:36.13 | HHec | azeem: thanks |
| 13:36.15 | infernix | not console-data either |
| 13:36.25 | sonyman | infernix: better start learning dutch then, eh? :) |
| 13:36.29 | infernix | i am dutch |
| 13:36.36 | sonyman | :/ |
| 13:36.38 | infernix | but computers are supposed to talk english |
| 13:36.50 | sonyman | mine talks binary. Is that a problem? |
| 13:36.58 | zumbi | !hi |
| 13:36.58 | dpkg | hello, zumbi |
| 13:37.00 | zamolxes | mine has qubits :) |
| 13:37.06 | infernix | well as long as the binary is displayed as english, not really |
| 13:37.11 | sonyman | :) |
| 13:37.20 | SimonRaven | infernix: you have to log out |
| 13:37.24 | infernix | i did :) |
| 13:37.28 | infernix | reboot? |
| 13:37.40 | infernix | setting default locales to 'none' now |
| 13:37.52 | infernix | works. |
| 13:38.24 | infernix | setting it to en_US.ISO-8859-15 left it in dutch. odd 'innit |
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| 13:38.38 | HHec | azeem: i'm installing debian but just a quick question..... is it normal in an installation to loop over and over when the this message appears in console?: "info: Switching console chadset mapping to ISO-8859-1" and then "Configuring base system..." |
| 13:38.47 | zaikxtox | thanks asg , i have solved the Zombie problem :) |
| 13:38.53 | asg | zaikxtox: cool |
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| 13:39.07 | azeem | HHec: don't address questions to specific people unless you are sure they know the answer |
| 13:39.22 | azeem | nobody else will usually answer those addressed questions |
| 13:39.48 | HHec | azeem: oh! sorry..... didn't know.... |
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| 13:42.35 | HHec | anyone please: i'm installing debian but just a quick question..... is it normal in an installation to loop over and over when the this message appears in console?: "info: Switching console chadset mapping to ISO-8859-1" and then "Configuring base system..." |
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| 13:42.47 | mok|C | hi |
| 13:42.57 | mok|C | how can i create a new file? |
| 13:43.01 | asg | mok|C: touch |
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| 13:43.11 | asg | mok|C: or just open an editor |
| 13:43.24 | mok|C | hm, i tried touch but it said no rights |
| 13:43.30 | mok|C | but its my homedir |
| 13:43.41 | asg | mok|C: ls -ld $HOME |
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| 13:45.36 | mok|C | drwxr-xr-x |
| 13:45.47 | asg | mok|C: is the filesystem on which /home resides mounted ro? |
| 13:46.03 | asg | mok|C: can 'root' touch a file in your $HOME? |
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| 13:46.30 | wdamn | is xorg more cpu expensive than xfree86 ? |
| 13:47.04 | asg | wdamn: I haven't noticed much of a diff |
| 13:47.11 | mok|C | ah, the folder im in was created by root |
| 13:47.34 | mok|C | how can i change owner via command? |
| 13:47.39 | asg | wdamn: root 3691 0.1 6.7 37660 34980 tty7 Rs+ Mar25 3:03 /usr/bin/X11/X -br -dpi 75 -nolisten tcp (for comparison) |
| 13:47.42 | asg | mok|C: chown |
| 13:47.52 | asg | mok|C: you might want to go buy a book on Unix basics |
| 13:48.26 | mok|C | yep, some day ... |
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| 13:49.42 | asg | !be unix barbie |
| 13:49.42 | dpkg | Vwls r HRD! |
| 13:49.47 | wdamn | asg, PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND |
| 13:49.47 | wdamn | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:50.49 | wdamn | asg: only a shell browser and chat open |
| 13:51.05 | TipTap | hmm is there a way with wget to create the directories only within that root of the base url? i.e. wget -r http://thissite.com/area/here/ and if that area contained "folder_a" and "folder_b" then just create and download those, as appose creating a compelte directory structure of thissite.com/area/here/folder_a |
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| 13:51.09 | escalade | hi |
| 13:52.30 | escalade | i try to run nessus but i cant get te server running it says /var/lib/nessus/nessus-services could not be found. Install it and try again |
| 13:52.47 | escalade | i apt-get all nessus stuff... |
| 13:52.53 | SimonRaven | TipTap: man wget; -m, -nd, -np |
| 13:53.12 | escalade | someone an idea? |
| 13:54.00 | Gnub- | man wget |
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| 13:54.00 | TipTap | ahh cool it's -np thanks :) |
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| 13:54.01 | asg | wdamn: that looks about right |
| 13:54.54 | wdamn | asg: ok, thanx |
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| 13:55.57 | Meads | can somebody tell me how i can allow the usr Ian on my system to access the /home/www/ foler and put files there? |
| 13:56.05 | Gyuszk | re |
| 13:56.20 | Meads | rE? |
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| 13:56.25 | Meads | re*? |
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| 13:56.38 | Ronin | that wasnt for you helix |
| 13:56.39 | asg | Meads: /msg dpkg permissions |
| 13:56.39 | hoodlum | hmmm, im getting an error due to the kernel module being built using the wrong kernel source |
| 13:56.48 | Ronin | umm damn fingers i mean that wasnt for you Meads |
| 13:56.52 | SimonRaven | Meads: groups; man info chgrp, chmod, and other stuff |
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| 13:57.22 | Meads | thanks guys |
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| 13:57.46 | mok|C | can chown apply changes to subdirs? |
| 13:57.57 | nkuttler | mok|C: man chown |
| 13:58.25 | fm | yes, use option -R |
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| 13:59.18 | mok|C | does recursive mean apply to subdirs? |
| 13:59.23 | mok|C | ah ok thx |
| 13:59.38 | eBug | what package should i install to have an icon to automagically appear on my kde desktop when i plug in my usb camera ? |
| 13:59.52 | asg | mok|C: be *very* careful using it. A simple typo will break your system if you aren't careful. |
| 14:00.03 | TipTap | bah god damn it's still doing it, there's -nd which will create no directories which isn't what i want, i specify -np to not ascent to the parent directory but i want it to create directories but only those directories under the parent, and not the whole structure of the url, i can't find anything like that in the man page |
| 14:00.04 | eBug | or my usb memory stick ? |
| 14:00.39 | nkuttler | eBug: try autofs |
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| 14:01.13 | mok|C | hm, the group is still root. does this matter in any way? |
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| 14:01.42 | eBug | nkuttler would that pop up the icon on the desktop ? |
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| 14:01.53 | asg | mok|C: it depends, read http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions for the full skinny |
| 14:02.06 | mok|C | k |
| 14:02.11 | SimonRaven | mok|C: hint: using chown -R someuser: will change the group too - what it does is find the primary group of that user and change the group to that |
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| 14:02.55 | SimonRaven | oh greycat has a wiki, nice |
| 14:03.08 | asg | SimonRaven: yes, the #bash FAQ is up there, which he now maintains |
| 14:03.25 | SimonRaven | ok. |
| 14:03.37 | mok|C | SimonRaven: thats what i did, but the group remained root |
| 14:03.37 | nkuttler | eBug: ah, i misread the question. is the device mounted automatically? |
| 14:04.00 | SimonRaven | check your shell history, are you sure? |
| 14:04.00 | asg | mok|C: did you 'chown -R someuser' or 'chown -R someuser:' |
| 14:04.13 | mok|C | oopsi :) |
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| 14:04.28 | eBug | nkuttler yes |
| 14:04.43 | eBug | AFAIU autofs is for remote fs |
| 14:05.12 | jm_ | eBug: no, it's for any fs |
| 14:05.15 | asg | eBug: it works for all sorts of filesystems |
| 14:05.22 | nkuttler | eBug: autofs can do many things. tried gnome-volume-manager? |
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| 14:05.49 | mok|C | big thx to u guys ;) |
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| 14:06.00 | eBug | nkuttler i'm with kde |
| 14:06.36 | eBug | The automounter is a tool to automatically mount remote file systems x |
| 14:06.38 | eBug | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:06.38 | hoodlum | i have to load the correct kernel source files for my kernel, how would i figure out which are the correct ones? |
| 14:06.41 | alt | hey could some1 tell me how to bypass packet shaping by my ISP ??? |
| 14:06.58 | eBug | says kernel doc |
| 14:07.13 | petemc | alt: use another isp |
| 14:07.19 | jmp_me | alt: well, what does the packet shaping do? |
| 14:07.27 | jmp_me | more exactly |
| 14:07.33 | eBug | jmp_me shape packets |
| 14:07.41 | hoodlum | hmm |
| 14:07.49 | alt | petemc: Monopolitic ISP :( , Well it lowers my bandwith thus increasing my PING :! |
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| 14:08.05 | alt | cant play multi games coz of it |
| 14:08.10 | eBug | jmp_me doing advanced routing based on the packets properties |
| 14:08.13 | fontp | is there a way to prevent somebody from using ^C to ecape out of dialog ? |
| 14:08.21 | blondie | yes |
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| 14:08.31 | eBug | jmp_me like allowing more or less bandwidth |
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| 14:08.40 | eBug | different gateways |
| 14:08.50 | eBug | based on the destination ports, etc. |
| 14:08.51 | fontp | blondie : yes to me ? |
| 14:09.03 | jmp_me | i bypassed something like that once |
| 14:09.14 | dtech | I have debian installed with grub on a usb drive. I'm using testing and am wondering if there is a way or package that will automaticly configure Xorg on startup like knoppix does |
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| 14:09.27 | hoodlum | i have to load the correct kernel source files for my kernel, how would i figure out which are the correct ones? |
| 14:09.30 | alt | yes , SO I've heard that If I can forward all my DAta through a not filtered port like SSH I can bypass the filter |
| 14:09.33 | jm_ | fpntp;sure |
| 14:09.35 | alt | How can I do So :( |
| 14:09.36 | jm_ | fontp: sure |
| 14:09.40 | jmp_me | spoofed the protocols so it looked like very long HTTP posts |
| 14:09.49 | fontp | what flag ? |
| 14:10.08 | alt | oh, Could You tell me wher I can get more info on doing that |
| 14:10.09 | blondie | fontp: yes |
| 14:10.11 | jm_ | you can intercept signals in shell scripts, see trap command |
| 14:10.35 | sonyman | hoodlum: uname -r; apt-get install linux-source-blababla |
| 14:10.48 | hoodlum | thank you sonyman, much appreciated :D |
| 14:10.51 | sonyman | np |
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| 14:12.52 | fontp | ah,thanks |
| 14:13.15 | eBug | !ls |
| 14:13.15 | dpkg | CONFIG.SYS AUTOEXEC.BAT TEMP WINDOWS My Documents PROGRA~1 |
| 14:13.22 | eBug | !ls |
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| 14:13.36 | eBug | uhmmm |
| 14:13.38 | hoodlum | so, sony man, it would like this. apt-get install 2.6.8-11-amd64-k8 |
| 14:14.13 | hoodlum | sonyman* |
| 14:14.19 | sonyman | hoodlum: no. apt-get install linux-source-2.6.8-11 *I think*. one sec... |
| 14:14.23 | jmp_me | alt: you can do it, but it's pretty advanced programming with sockets and so.. you have to test different methods until it bypasses the protection your isp has.. i don't think there is a ready program for just your case |
| 14:14.25 | hoodlum | tah mate |
| 14:15.05 | alt | jmp_me: Would I need an External Server for it?? |
| 14:15.14 | sonyman | hoodlum: running stable? |
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| 14:15.20 | hoodlum | umm im unsure? |
| 14:15.26 | hoodlum | im new to debian |
| 14:15.37 | hoodlum | its an unstable release |
| 14:15.40 | hoodlum | actually |
| 14:15.47 | hoodlum | i think |
| 14:15.52 | sonyman | running 2.6.8?? not likely |
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| 14:16.27 | hoodlum | uname gives me 2.6.8.11-amd64-k8 |
| 14:16.32 | sonyman | hoodlum: try apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 14:16.35 | osiris_ | http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?show=624988 <-- could someone help me out plz? trying to install ndiswrapper on debian/etch/2.6.15-1 with command: module-assistant auto-install ndiswrapper |
| 14:16.40 | hoodlum | ok |
| 14:17.13 | hoodlum | nup, already the latest versin |
| 14:17.17 | hoodlum | version* |
| 14:17.36 | sonyman | whats the output of ls -l /usr/src |
| 14:18.10 | hoodlum | umm it has... |
| 14:18.39 | hoodlum | many things, but im unable to paste |
| 14:18.45 | hoodlum | and im in command line |
| 14:19.03 | sonyman | do you see an entry like linux -> kernel-source-2.6.8 ? |
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| 14:19.35 | hoodlum | i see the entry for kernel-source-2.6.8.tar.bz2 |
| 14:19.36 | cluck | hello |
| 14:19.44 | hoodlum | thats all but |
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| 14:20.50 | Isil`Zha | how do i change the console once i started x? i mean as in: i use 5 console views, start x and want to go back to one of the other 4 which are still running |
| 14:20.59 | sonyman | hoodlum: ok, then type this: "cd /usr/src && sudo tar -xjf kernel-source-2.6.8.tar.bz2 && sudo ln -s kernel-source-2.6.8 linux |
| 14:21.11 | hoodlum | ok |
| 14:21.14 | jm_ | Isil`Zha: cltr-alt-f1 f2 ... |
| 14:21.18 | jm_ | ctrl even |
| 14:21.32 | cluck | did anybody have problems with nvidia legacy drivers and 2.6.15? |
| 14:21.41 | Isil`Zha | jm_: thank you again |
| 14:21.42 | cluck | (besides me, that is :) |
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| 14:22.16 | jm_ | cluck: 71.74 works for me in Sarge |
| 14:22.18 | jm_ | but I have to go now |
| 14:22.38 | LordCow | hi guys |
| 14:22.42 | LordCow | damn, quite a few |
| 14:22.44 | cluck | Isil`Zha: ctrl+alt+f1...f12 |
| 14:23.04 | hoodlum | hmm seems to be doing something sonyman |
| 14:23.04 | LordCow | quick question |
| 14:23.08 | LordCow | i think i'm testing |
| 14:23.12 | LordCow | does that make me etch? |
| 14:23.26 | beorn | asg: thanks for the help :) |
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| 14:23.32 | asg | blondie: you're welcome |
| 14:23.34 | asg | bah |
| 14:23.34 | hoodlum | ok.. its finished |
| 14:23.36 | LordCow | regardless whether initially i was woodie |
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| 14:23.42 | sonyman | hoodlum: its extracting the archive, then it will create a symbolic link by the name of linux. If you then type ls linux/ it should show the contents of kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 14:23.42 | hoodlum | retry the driver installation? |
| 14:23.51 | xstation | hi all |
| 14:24.03 | hoodlum | hmmm no such directory :S |
| 14:24.10 | TipTap | hmm there has to be a better way for me to do this, i'm trying to use wget as i want this debian box to act as a repository for centos and others, i want to retreieve all the rpms and directories of which are displayed however, there appears to be only http to get these |
| 14:24.12 | blondie | :P |
| 14:24.16 | osiris_ | LordCow: as long as u have testing or etch in /etc/apt/sources.list and have done apt-get dist-upgrade yes |
| 14:24.27 | TipTap | and wget is getting the index.html files and doesn't download all the RPM's |
| 14:24.31 | sonyman | hoodlum: ls /usr/src | grep linux |
| 14:24.37 | xstation | just installed sarge 3.1r1 i386 need some help on segmentation fault |
| 14:25.04 | hoodlum | gave me the kernel vers |
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| 14:25.25 | sonyman | hoodlum: so the link works. Now try your installation |
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| 14:25.26 | LordCow | osiris_: i did a dist-upgrade a long time ago, when i installed woody stable |
| 14:25.28 | LordCow | to testing |
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| 14:25.29 | rvsjoen | TipTap are there links to the rpm's on the html pages ? |
| 14:25.31 | hoodlum | ok, thanks sonyman |
| 14:25.35 | hoodlum | you've been a great help |
| 14:25.40 | LordCow | but not to etch @ the time |
| 14:25.47 | TipTap | yes |
| 14:25.49 | LordCow | but ive a;lways been testing |
| 14:25.58 | LordCow | so i asume i get moved up to etch since it's testing? |
| 14:26.12 | sonyman | hoodlum: yw |
| 14:26.18 | LordCow | (ie. i initially went woody -> sarge) |
| 14:26.21 | deejoe_ | !tell xstation about ask |
| 14:26.27 | xstation | Is there a url where I can paste segmentation fault |
| 14:26.37 | rvsjoen | did you try the -r (recursive) parameter ? |
| 14:26.47 | hoodlum | hmmm still isn't working :S |
| 14:26.47 | xstation | deejoe: ok here goes |
| 14:26.48 | cluck | this is really strange.. |
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| 14:26.55 | sonyman | hoodlum: what is it saying? |
| 14:27.32 | osiris_ | LordCow: as long as u have testing in there ur currently on etch |
| 14:27.34 | cluck | i had full 3d yesterday when i installed the legacy drivers ontop of 2.6.15 |
| 14:27.45 | LordCow | osiris: cool, thanx |
| 14:27.57 | hoodlum | umm unable to load the kernel module "nvsound.ko" this is most likely because the kernel module was built using the wrong kernel source |
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| 14:28.01 | hoodlum | files |
| 14:28.03 | deejoe_ | !tell xstation about flood |
| 14:28.11 | cluck | when i booted today xorg didn't :( |
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| 14:28.36 | sonyman | hoodlum: what program are you installing that gave that output? |
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| 14:28.54 | hoodlum | nvidia sound/ethernet drivers |
| 14:28.58 | hoodlum | i get a similar error for my vga also |
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| 14:29.07 | sonyman | hmm |
| 14:29.41 | xstation | deejoe: segmentation fault: (6) journals block device driver loaded: pivot_root: no such file or directory /sbin/init : 432 cannot open dev/console: no such file |
| 14:29.41 | sonyman | hoodlum: someone else may have to step in. |
| 14:30.01 | hoodlum | ok mate, thanks for the help anyways |
| 14:30.04 | sonyman | np |
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| 14:31.06 | xstation | deejoe: almost forgot kernnel panic: attempted to kill init |
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| 14:32.28 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 14:32.28 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 14:32.50 | kijjaz | lo again. GNOME menu problem: i'm on GNOME on Debian Etch.. the GNOME menu with Applications Places Desktop: Places & Desktop works fine.. but when i click at Applications, it just opens and close itself immediately. did i do something wrong to the machine? ^^" |
| 14:33.04 | tarzeau | abrotman: can you get windscreen wipers? |
| 14:33.11 | deejoe_ | xstation: google pivot_root debian 432 and see how any of those compare with your problem and set-up. |
| 14:33.14 | abrotman | tarzeau: for my car? |
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| 14:34.05 | Crell | Greetings. I've an issue with a Sarge box. |
| 14:34.24 | Crell | It was running fine for nearly a year, then was rebooted this morning. (Power loss.) |
| 14:34.28 | tarzeau | abrotman: for me |
| 14:34.36 | abrotman | why for you? |
| 14:34.36 | Crell | Now, for unknown reasons, it cannot load or locate its ethernet port. |
| 14:34.40 | tarzeau | abrotman: for how much can you get them? |
| 14:35.05 | jnco | Crell, sounds like a hardware issue |
| 14:35.07 | Crell | Any suggestions? |
| 14:35.18 | Crell | jnco: The card dying just as the power cycled? |
| 14:35.21 | jnco | box running fine. power out. box hardware not functioning. |
| 14:35.30 | abrotman | tarzeau: that would depend on the car don't you think ? |
| 14:35.35 | deejoe_ | Crell: I have sometimes had that problem, in that I use modprobe at the command line to test which module I need, then forget to configure it to be auto-loaded at boot. |
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| 14:35.37 | Crell | I was afraid you'd say that. |
| 14:35.50 | jnco | try deejoes ideas |
| 14:36.05 | jnco | when the system starts it should detect the et0 |
| 14:36.12 | jnco | eth0 |
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| 14:36.22 | tarzeau | abrotman: i just need the motor of it. no matter what car |
| 14:36.26 | Crell | dmesg | grep eth0 returns no lines. |
| 14:36.41 | jnco | lights blinking on the card? |
| 14:36.46 | deejoe_ | does lsmod show the module that drives your ethernet device? |
| 14:36.46 | abrotman | tarzeau: for what? |
| 14:37.02 | deejoe_ | Crell: do you know which module it needs? lspci can help, here |
| 14:37.04 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm building a device i need that for |
| 14:37.06 | Crell | Not blinking, but glowing steady. |
| 14:37.10 | djs_2_6 | Morning all. I am trying to install the newest gnome, and am running into an error with rsvg - "undefined reference to 'cairo_surface_write_to_png_stream'". Can anyone help, please? No one knows on ##gnome... |
| 14:37.24 | Crell | It's been so long since I had to deal with this computer, I'm not certain. :-) I believe it's a linksys card. |
| 14:37.34 | Crell | Either that or an Intel. |
| 14:37.35 | jnco | should be blinking with a live connection |
| 14:37.36 | mentor | djs_2_6: As in Debian pacakges? |
| 14:37.45 | deejoe_ | if you're not certain, then making sure your module is loaded is a reasonable approach, Crell. |
| 14:37.55 | jnco | work with deejoe to see if its software |
| 14:37.58 | djs_2_6 | mentor - No, the new one from Gnome... |
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| 14:38.11 | Crell | Do you recall the name for the module for either linksys or Intel? |
| 14:38.14 | jnco | if not try the card in a different pci slot then in another computer |
| 14:38.28 | Crell | OK, it's an Intel Ethernet Pro 100 |
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| 14:38.38 | mentor | djs_2_6: We don't really support self-compiled packages |
| 14:38.41 | jnco | is there an intergrated eth on the motherboard as well |
| 14:38.46 | xstation | deejoe: found a few in google sounds pretty complicate at best |
| 14:38.49 | mentor | djs_2_6: Find out what library that funciton is in |
| 14:39.02 | Crell | No, this computer is an old PII. No onboard ethernet |
| 14:39.02 | djs_2_6 | mentor - libsrvg |
| 14:39.04 | mentor | djs_2_6: Then make sure you have the required version for that. |
| 14:39.19 | jnco | the last time u rebooted it, do you remember it working fine |
| 14:39.29 | asg | Crell: you might try reseating the card and/or another slot |
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| 14:39.31 | deejoe_ | Crell: eepro100 on 2.4 kernels, I think. |
| 14:39.39 | abrotman | tarzeau: but why a wiper motor ? |
| 14:39.40 | Crell | This is 2.6 |
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| 14:39.50 | Crell | I don't recall if it's compiled into the kernel, actually. Let me check. |
| 14:39.59 | mentor | djs_2_6: Where are you getting the error? |
| 14:40.02 | deejoe_ | Well, you can look for yourself in /lib/modules/<kernel-version>/kernel/drivers/net |
| 14:40.08 | Crell | I'm trying to think of things I can do quickly before I have to leave for work. :-) |
| 14:40.12 | mentor | djs_2_6: Which version of librsvg are you using? |
| 14:40.26 | jnco | reseat the card, card should detect automatically |
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| 14:40.41 | djs_2_6 | mentor - I think it is trying to make it. It says 2.14.1 in the path... I am making it using make paranoid-install... |
| 14:40.43 | jnco | try a different slot too |
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| 14:40.59 | deejoe_ | Crell, it's the same module name in 2.6 |
| 14:41.05 | Crell | Let me check the kernel config first, see if it's compiled in. |
| 14:41.12 | jnco | k |
| 14:41.17 | deejoe_ | lsmod | grep eepro |
| 14:41.20 | jsn | I'm having trouble upgrading in sid. x11-common is breaking. Any suggestions? Error is "trying to overwrite `/usr/include/X11', which is also in package libxft-dev" |
| 14:41.30 | deejoe_ | if it's not there, modprobe eepro100 should either work, or not work. |
| 14:41.33 | Crell | Ah yep. It's compiled in directly, not as a module. |
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| 14:41.41 | mentor | djs_2_6: that funciton is from libcairo. Have you got the requisite version installed? |
| 14:41.43 | deejoe_ | :-( |
| 14:41.52 | asg | jsn: remove one of the packages and check the BTS |
| 14:42.03 | xstation | deejoe: I notice on the partition it has :BOOT flaged |
| 14:42.08 | Crell | I guess I'll reseat the card. Not sure if I can before work, though. :-( |
| 14:42.15 | deejoe_ | good luck |
| 14:42.16 | jnco | takes 5 seconds =P |
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| 14:42.18 | jsn | Thanks, asg. Sometimes when things work well for a while, I forget what to do when things break. |
| 14:42.41 | asg | jsn: you're welcome |
| 14:43.09 | jnco | anyone want to lay a helping hand? I get no screens found when usings startx for the login manager |
| 14:43.15 | Crell | jnco: Yes, once the computer is taken out of its slot on the rack and opened. :-) |
| 14:43.15 | jnco | im using free86 |
| 14:43.24 | jnco | =) |
| 14:43.25 | djs_2_6 | mentor - I do not see anything named cairo in synaptic or apt-cache. Is this one it needs manually installed? |
| 14:43.29 | jnco | good luck friend |
| 14:43.35 | nkuttler | jnco: /msg dpkg no screens found |
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| 14:44.02 | mentor | djs_2_6: Which version of Debian are you using? |
| 14:44.38 | djs_2_6 | mentor - I just got it a few days ago. I think it is 3.1 sarge... |
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| 14:45.15 | mentor | djs_2_6: You won't have any luck compiling newest GNOME on sarge without compiling huge amounts of dependencies. |
| 14:45.18 | jnco | anyone know how to troubleshoot (EE) No Matching modes, I put the simple configuration for free86 |
| 14:45.55 | tarzeau | abrotman: it has the right specifications i need |
| 14:46.04 | nkuttler | jnco: are there more ee lines? how did you configure x? |
| 14:46.32 | djs_2_6 | mentor - So far it has gone pretty smoothly. It gripes about needing something, and I install it, then it goes along again happily... |
| 14:47.04 | mentor | djs_2_6: FAir enough. libcairo isn't in sarge though |
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| 14:48.11 | Dat | should i get rid of Exim4 ? |
| 14:48.15 | djs_2_6 | mentor - Ok. I am installing it right now. I knew I might have some work ahead, but I cannot stand Gnome 2.8, and need SOMETHING newer... |
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| 14:48.22 | azeem | Dat: why? |
| 14:48.24 | nkuttler | Dat: you probably can't |
| 14:48.26 | Dat | the MTA is slowing my server bootup |
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| 14:48.32 | djs_2_6 | mentor - Thank you, btw... |
| 14:48.38 | mentor | djs_2_6: Upgrade to etch? |
| 14:48.40 | azeem | Dat: you really need an MTA |
| 14:48.54 | azeem | Dat: make sure localhost name lookup does not time out |
| 14:49.02 | azeem | Dat: how long does it take to start exim4? |
| 14:49.03 | Isil`Zha | is there a way to avoid installing apache2 when installing php5 on sid? |
| 14:49.25 | Dat | azeem, well sometimes it just stays at the MTA: for like 30 sec |
| 14:49.32 | Dat | 30 - 1 minute |
| 14:49.41 | azeem | Dat: sounds like hostname lookup timeout |
| 14:49.46 | stew | Isil`Zha: install libapache-mod-php5 |
| 14:49.56 | azeem | make sure /etc/hosts has something like "127.0.0.1 localhost foo.org" |
| 14:49.57 | djs_2_6 | mentor - Sorry, what is etch? |
| 14:50.02 | Dat | ahhh |
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| 14:50.12 | stew | djs_2_6: http://debian.org/releases |
| 14:50.16 | Dat | so shouldnt put anything for the hostname? |
| 14:50.21 | Dat | when they ask for it? |
| 14:50.24 | GoAuLd | is there some graphical configurator for PAM ? to make things easier than editing files |
| 14:50.27 | Isil`Zha | stew: ok thanks |
| 14:50.38 | mentor | !releases |
| 14:50.38 | dpkg | it has been said that releases is see http://debian.org/releases/, or an explanation of the different levels of Debian releases. |
| 14:50.47 | mentor | !tell djs_2_6 about releases |
| 14:50.47 | Dat | azeem, i made up some non exist hostname is that the problem? |
| 14:50.53 | azeem | Dat: maybe |
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| 14:51.23 | azeem | Dat: if you add localhost to it, it might be fine, as long as you don't plan to actually send mail through exim4 to other people |
| 14:51.34 | Dat | hehe |
| 14:51.37 | Dat | sure thing |
| 14:52.12 | djs_2_6 | mentor - How stable is etch compared to sarge? I need 'some' stability... |
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| 14:52.25 | Dat | is this specified in the hosts file? |
| 14:52.27 | pipeline | djs_2_6: Not very. |
| 14:52.36 | pipeline | djs_2_6: Etch is still more reliable, than, say, fedora. |
| 14:52.49 | jnco | why does freex86 keep going to /dev/input/mouse after i configured it to go somewhere else |
| 14:52.49 | jnco | ? |
| 14:52.51 | pipeline | djs_2_6: Things change fast in etch. Just not as fast as, say, fedora. |
| 14:52.58 | Slidey | does anyone have any experience converting a deb system to software raid ? |
| 14:53.02 | mentor | djs_2_6: It's broken, or it would be stable, but generally, the big breakages get filtered out before testing, and unless you are running a server, it will be stable enough |
| 14:53.09 | mentor | djs_2_6: Some things will be broken though |
| 14:53.16 | pipeline | djs_2_6: "stable" refers to how quickly things change, not whether they work. Things in etch almost always work -- they just might /change/ with some frequency. |
| 14:53.18 | jnco | wheres my mousey! |
| 14:53.21 | mentor | djs_2_6: I don't remember how security updates work for testing |
| 14:53.31 | Slidey | im going through the rootraiddoc.97, and im a little confused as to the order of things when transferring separate boot and root partitions when using grub |
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| 14:53.55 | djs_2_6 | pipeline , mentor - Gotcha. Thank you very much. I will look into testing it out... |
| 14:54.08 | mentor | er |
| 14:54.09 | mentor | no |
| 14:54.11 | mentor | pipeline: no |
| 14:54.22 | pipeline | mentor: Uh, yes. |
| 14:54.34 | mentor | stable goes through a huge amount of testing and release period before it is declared stbale. |
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| 14:54.42 | mentor | stable referes to the fact that it has few RC bugs |
| 14:54.44 | pipeline | mentor: Yes. Things in "stable" do not change. |
| 14:54.47 | pipeline | mentor: No. |
| 14:54.59 | pipeline | mentor: Releases are boiled down to as few RC bugs as possible to keep them predictable. |
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| 14:55.11 | pipeline | mentor: Leaving gigantic bugs unfixed will make life miserable for the people trapped on stable for three or more years. |
| 14:55.36 | pipeline | mentor: It's "stable" because new versions are (almost) never merged in. Your configuration files will stay good, your homebrew packages will stay good. |
| 14:56.04 | mentor | DEbian is not designed to provide a stable application base for other apps. |
| 14:56.05 | pipeline | "testing" is supposed to be in a release-able state at all times |
| 14:56.07 | pipeline | i.e. few RC bugs |
| 14:56.24 | mentor | It's designed to provide a reliable OS. |
| 14:56.29 | pipeline | But things happen in Testing. Things occasionally break; new versions get merged in constantly. |
| 14:56.45 | pipeline | Testing is filled with surprises, even if packages are generally very high-quality. |
| 14:56.49 | abrotman | tarzeau: ok .. and what's the part number? |
| 14:57.18 | mentor | pipeline: Er, I know how DEbian releases work |
| 14:57.32 | Slidey | anyone got any experience transfering a system to software raid (including seperate boot and root partitions) ? |
| 14:57.48 | mentor | pipeline: Stable is a reliable set of packages that have gone trhough a release process and testing to ensure they do not fail. |
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| 14:58.05 | deejoe_ | Slidey: not me. But do you have a question about doing so? |
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| 14:58.23 | SammyTheSnake | hey guys, is there an irc channel dedicated to the AMD64 port of debian, or is this the best forum for amd64 specific debian questions? |
| 14:58.27 | pipeline | mentor: "Testing" is a reliable set of packages that have been through a great deal of testing to ensure they (usually) do not fail. |
| 14:58.32 | asg | SammyTheSnake: #debian-amd64 |
| 14:58.32 | mentor | 'debian-amd64 IIRC |
| 14:58.37 | mentor | SammyTheSnake: Ask in both? |
| 14:58.45 | mentor | SammyTheSnake: Someone might know. |
| 14:58.45 | pipeline | mentor: Debian "Testing" packages have already had vastly more QA work than most distributions ever get across the board for a release. |
| 14:58.46 | mentor | .... |
| 14:58.48 | azeem | or ask here first and then try ther |
| 14:58.50 | azeem | e |
| 14:58.50 | SammyTheSnake | asg: I should've guessed that :p cheers :) |
| 14:58.52 | mentor | pipeline: yes. |
| 14:58.53 | Slidey | i want to confirm the process really - i reckon im 95% of the way there, but i wanted to confirm that ive got things correct as im not local to the machine.. |
| 14:58.58 | mentor | pipeline: and? |
| 14:58.59 | asg | SammyTheSnake: you're welcome |
| 14:59.12 | pipeline | mentor: What makes "stable" special is that it won't change. That set of packages is guaranteed to stick around and continue to be patched for an extended period of time. |
| 14:59.13 | SammyTheSnake | mentor: I'll ask in the narrow group first, then if there's not enough traffic, I'll try here. thanks :) |
| 14:59.27 | tarzeau | abrotman: i don't have any part numbers |
| 14:59.37 | pipeline | mentor: Any given snapshot of "Testing" is going to be of a very high quality, comparable to the "Stable" release. What you don't have is the guarantees about the future. |
| 14:59.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: what's the average price you can find ? |
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| 15:00.20 | mentor | pipeline: So...the point is that you have a large set of packages that have been tested for a long time and are guaranteed to be reliable? |
| 15:00.24 | abrotman | tarzeau: depends on the part |
| 15:00.43 | pipeline | mentor: They're guaranteed to be reliable /in the future/. Your configuration files will not need changes. You will not have to learn new things. |
| 15:00.45 | tarzeau | abrotman: the part that does the movement of the windsheild wipers |
| 15:01.01 | pipeline | mentor: Any given snapshot of "Testing" has been tested for a long time and is (virtually) guaranteed to be reliable :p |
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| 15:01.31 | mentor | pipeline: This is a pointless argument. As far as I'm concerned stable means reliable. But other than that we are agreeing with each other. |
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| 15:02.16 | jnco | hello friends, why does free86 keep going to my /dev/input/mice after I tell it to go somewhere else using dpkg |
| 15:02.18 | jnco | ? |
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| 15:02.31 | mentor | jnco: When does it change? |
| 15:02.37 | Crell | Did you ever edit the config file by hand, ever? |
| 15:02.45 | jnco | it doesnt. no but i suppose i could |
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| 15:02.52 | jnco | everything else changes ok but not mouse |
| 15:03.11 | mentor | jnco: OK, so how are you telling dpkg where your mouse is? |
| 15:03.18 | tarzeau | !ati |
| 15:03.18 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseAti |
| 15:03.22 | SammyTheSnake | ok, so it looks like #debian-amd64 isn't heavily frequented (at least at the moment, maybe everyone's in bed!) so I'll ask my question here :) |
| 15:03.23 | tarzeau | i so hate ATI! |
| 15:03.32 | pipeline | jnco: dexconf -o /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
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| 15:03.56 | sonyman | tarzeau: good cards, but the drivers are filth |
| 15:03.56 | orco | heya i'm having trouble w/ glxinfo, nvidia, 6600gt pcie, did the nvidia oneliner |
| 15:03.58 | pipeline | jnco: "dexconf" generates a new configuration file using the values in the debconf database. In case you edited your configuration by hand, this will use the values in debconf... |
| 15:04.07 | tarzeau | sonyman: same with nvidia? |
| 15:04.19 | sonyman | tarzeau: no. good cards, good drivers, but higher $$ |
| 15:04.33 | abrotman | bad drivers |
| 15:04.35 | abrotman | bad company |
| 15:04.51 | sonyman | abrotman: bad company yes, but their drivers are good imo. |
| 15:04.51 | SammyTheSnake | I'm currently using the amd64/stable distribution and I'm happy enough with it, but I'd like to move up to testing (I was using testing on i386 until last friday!) but I'm led to understand that the testing distro is currently suffering from having been partially rolled back after some packages were accidentally moved from unstable, leaving testing in a semibroken state |
| 15:05.02 | abrotman | sonyman: they're closed .. they're bad |
| 15:05.03 | SammyTheSnake | does anyone know how soon it's likely to be un-semibroken? |
| 15:05.17 | sonyman | abrotman: lol. i think they're bad because they ate 3dfx. |
| 15:05.26 | pipeline | There's an amd64/stable distribution? |
| 15:05.31 | nanok | nvidia cards are bad company? never thought of it that way.. :) |
| 15:05.31 | sonyman | abrotman: and because they cheated on their benchmarks and in their drivers |
| 15:05.38 | SammyTheSnake | pipeline: yeah, it's semi-official :) |
| 15:05.44 | stew | pipeline: an onofficial one, yes |
| 15:05.48 | pipeline | sonyman: Heh, every PC vendor cheats in their drivers/benchmarks. |
| 15:05.50 | mentor | jnco: Sorry, bbl |
| 15:05.51 | stew | err un* |
| 15:05.56 | SammyTheSnake | pipeline: maybe calling it "sarge" rather than "stable" is fair :p |
| 15:05.58 | sonyman | nanok: not too soft for cuddling |
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| 15:06.21 | sonyman | pipeline: yes, I know, but nv did it big time with the 5xxx series |
| 15:06.32 | SammyTheSnake | sonyman / stew: it seems perfectly good to me, bar being a bit behind on software versions, as you'd expect |
| 15:06.42 | pipeline | sonyman: And the other big vendor did it big time with the R3xx series. |
| 15:06.44 | pipeline | sonyman: Cheating is perfectly normal. |
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| 15:06.48 | pipeline | sonyman: And they're both terrible companies. |
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| 15:06.51 | abrotman | sonyman: benchmarks can be made to show anything |
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| 15:07.12 | sonyman | pipeline: normal yes, but not ethical. |
| 15:07.18 | pipeline | abrotman: Heh, ATI and nVidia both hacked up their windows drivers to detect benchmarks being run and ignore user-set speed versus quality trade-offs. |
| 15:07.24 | pipeline | sonyman: As I said, they're both awful, awful companies. |
| 15:07.24 | Crell | ATI: Some crappy open source drivers, some crappy closed soure drivers. |
| 15:07.29 | SammyTheSnake | I might consider trying to backport a few things, like firefox 1.5 and workrave (I need the anti-rsi timer!) |
| 15:07.34 | Crell | nVidia: Decent proprietary drivers. |
| 15:07.37 | sonyman | pipeline: yes. lets all buy matrox cards. |
| 15:07.39 | sonyman | :P |
| 15:07.39 | Crell | Other: What other? |
| 15:07.42 | SammyTheSnake | or I could run stuff from a chroot jail |
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| 15:07.45 | orco | so um my error sayeth with glxinfo, Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 15:07.47 | abrotman | Crell: intel |
| 15:07.51 | pipeline | sonyman: Matrox may be ethical, but their latest generation drivers are *awful* |
| 15:07.51 | Crell | That's Linux 3D cards in a nutshell. :-) |
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| 15:08.01 | pipeline | sonyman: Their newer cards require proprietary linux drivers, and they're very, very, very bad. |
| 15:08.03 | abrotman | pipeline: matrox has no open drivers for parhelia |
| 15:08.07 | pipeline | sonyman: We're talking *ATI* bad. |
| 15:08.07 | sonyman | pipeline: heh |
| 15:08.11 | sonyman | haha |
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| 15:08.18 | abrotman | so .. what's left .. Intel! |
| 15:08.24 | diesel | !dpkg 2006 key |
| 15:08.24 | dpkg | it has been said that 2006 key is apt 0.6.43.1 ( now in unstable and testing) includes the 2006 package key. You can also install the key as follow, explicitly trusting this message with no verification: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
| 15:08.28 | orco | i tried dpkg-reconfigure nvidi-glx |
| 15:08.29 | Crell | Curses. Moved card to new slot, didn't fix it. |
| 15:08.39 | pipeline | abrotman: Heh. Intel hasn't made a serious bid in the graphics world in a long time. |
| 15:08.43 | orco | on dice |
| 15:08.48 | orco | no dice |
| 15:08.57 | pipeline | abrotman: The i740 "starfighter," predecessor to the i810 series, was halfway serious, in that it had dedicated framebuffer memory :P |
| 15:09.03 | abrotman | pipeline: they're decent cards .. and the drivers are open .. my laptop card is enough to play many 3d games |
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| 15:09.17 | Crell | I still get a steady green light, though. |
| 15:09.22 | nanok | matrox has gone just as bad lately. they had opensource drivers long ago.. and they dont make decent consumer cards anymore. only ati can be considered close to opensource, with theyr (aledged) involvement in the dri project.. |
| 15:09.23 | sonyman | pipeline: integrated graphics ftl. they should be dx9 or 10 soon due to vista |
| 15:09.26 | nanok | imho |
| 15:09.31 | SammyTheSnake | can anyone recommend a PCI-E video card that's good enough to run Half-Life 2 and will work well with linux? (I don't need an ultra-good card) |
| 15:09.35 | abrotman | pipeline: and even jm_ asked how torcs was .. even though the game still sucks .. i tried it .. works perfectly fine on my computer |
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| 15:09.47 | sonyman | pipeline: however, everyone knows that opengl >>> directx :) |
| 15:09.48 | pipeline | abrotman: My i830m runs like shit compared to its windows performance. |
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| 15:09.53 | wols | SammyTheSnake: anything by nvidia. proprietary drivers tho |
| 15:09.55 | pipeline | sonyman: Yeah, well, OpenGL is dying. |
| 15:10.03 | sonyman | pipeline: did it ever NOT run like shit? |
| 15:10.12 | sonyman | pipeline: dying? how so? |
| 15:10.15 | wols | sonyman: it's an intel, do you have to ask? |
| 15:10.15 | pipeline | sonyman: Under windows, GL performance was tolerable. |
| 15:10.24 | abrotman | pipeline: i don't play games in windows .. so i can't comment .. but it seems to work just fine for any game i've tried that's in debian or downloaded from happypenguin |
| 15:10.26 | pipeline | sonyman: Uh, the major vendors are all getting out of the OpenGL game. |
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| 15:10.31 | wols | sonyman: as in no support. dx has won, really |
| 15:10.36 | pipeline | sonyman: ISVs are moving from proprietary UNIX to windows. |
| 15:10.37 | orco | my nvidia card on my laptop rocks w/ debian |
| 15:10.46 | sonyman | thats BAD news for linux gamers to say the least |
| 15:10.50 | wols | SGI is dead, and nvidia barely keeps up opengl alive but they never ever did anything to develop it |
| 15:10.51 | orco | 4400go 64 mb |
| 15:10.54 | pipeline | sonyman: 3dLabs and SGI, dominant vendors for 15 years, are both getting out of OpenGL. |
| 15:10.55 | sonyman | cedega is shit |
| 15:11.01 | sonyman | ugh |
| 15:11.16 | wols | and the only one really propping opengl up is john carmack with his games (which increasingly suck, see doom3) |
| 15:11.30 | sonyman | I guess I'll need to keep my dual-boot for a little while longer on my intel box |
| 15:11.38 | pipeline | The only thing propping up OpenGL is the handful of CAD vendors who haven't written DirectX ports of their NT software. |
| 15:11.42 | pipeline | Games are irrelevant. |
| 15:11.45 | sonyman | wols: suck? no. Doom3 was a blast |
| 15:11.50 | orco | dude you need vmware |
| 15:12.00 | SammyTheSnake | wols: that was my line of reasoning, shame about the proprietary drivers, but at least it won't suck *and* be unethical :p |
| 15:12.03 | wols | pipeline: CAD cannot sustain videocard makers. they are irrleevant. see 3Dlabs |
| 15:12.18 | pipeline | wols: 3Dlabs did very well until OpenGL stopped being relevant. |
| 15:12.18 | jnco | anyone know what the heck "caught signal 4" fatal error when using startx? |
| 15:12.19 | jnco | anyone know what the heck "caught signal 4" fatal error when using startx? |
| 15:12.19 | orco | back my prob :) |
| 15:12.23 | jnco | sorry for double typing |
| 15:12.29 | pipeline | wols: 3Dlabs explicitly made GL cards, nothing else. |
| 15:12.32 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:12.41 | orco | 3dlabs still exists |
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| 15:12.47 | wols | pipeline: and the important part is "made". they don't anymore |
| 15:12.49 | pipeline | orco: All of its employees have been laid off. |
| 15:12.49 | orco | xpensive |
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| 15:13.05 | pipeline | orco: A couple of months ago Creative announced they were basically shitcanning the division. |
| 15:13.09 | wols | orco: no they don't. they stopped making videocards. they make chipsets for handhelds now. or so is the plan |
| 15:13.15 | sonyman | we need to band together and form a new 3dfx, and bring glide back! |
| 15:13.21 | pipeline | sonyman: Glide was shit. |
| 15:13.28 | sonyman | pipeline: I liked it :( |
| 15:13.32 | orco | 1 sec *google |
| 15:13.44 | SammyTheSnake | jnco: according to man kill, signal 4 is "ILL" whatever that means :S |
| 15:13.47 | pipeline | orco: By the way, the free versions of vmware don't support GL or dX. |
| 15:13.51 | abrotman | pipeline: it might help GL if SGI would release its strangle hold |
| 15:14.01 | pipeline | abrotman: SGI is getting out of the OpenGL game entirely. |
| 15:14.02 | mauro | hello i have a proble with the installation of oracle instant client |
| 15:14.08 | sonyman | pipeline: as if gl or dx run well under emulation anyway... |
| 15:14.11 | mauro | someone can help me |
| 15:14.12 | pipeline | abrotman: The Prism line is a deadend. There will be no further Prism systems. |
| 15:14.17 | pipeline | sonyman: They do, if you have Workstation. |
| 15:14.20 | orco | damn |
| 15:14.27 | wols | pipeline: vmware emulates a S3 trio/virge. how are you supposed to do 3D there. free or payware doesn't matter, both is shit |
| 15:14.29 | pipeline | abrotman: Not to mention, SGI doesn't own most of the patents any more. |
| 15:14.34 | pipeline | wols: Nah. |
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| 15:14.45 | sonyman | pipeline: well, its still emulation. |
| 15:14.57 | pipeline | wols, sonyman : VMW "Workstation" 5.x emulates an nVidia something or another. 3d works very well, really. |
| 15:15.03 | ecdemo | mauro: once you tell us what you want... |
| 15:15.03 | wols | abrotman: not to mention SGI is on a fast way to a DEC if they finally find someone to buy them |
| 15:15.17 | orco | well i use cedega, sorry for offering my untested solutions |
| 15:15.18 | sonyman | pipeline: its been a while since I've used vmware |
| 15:15.18 | wols | pipeline: only know 4.x |
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| 15:15.23 | pipeline | wols, abrotman : DEC wasn't down to selling office furniture to fund day to day operations. |
| 15:15.26 | mauro | i have a proble with environment variable |
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| 15:15.39 | wols | pipeline: as I said, they couldn't find a buyer yet |
| 15:15.42 | jnco | signal 4 is ill! |
| 15:15.44 | mauro | i set it in /etc/profile |
| 15:15.47 | pipeline | wols: There will be no buyer, most likely. |
| 15:15.48 | jnco | danget all to hell |
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| 15:16.02 | pipeline | wols: They're swamped in debt, they don't really own much interesting IP any more, their products aren't selling... |
| 15:16.03 | jnco | just when you think its going your way , maybe it has to do with the mouse |
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| 15:16.13 | jnco | i just recently configured it |
| 15:16.14 | wols | pipeline: exactly |
| 15:16.25 | pipeline | wols: Intel *may* buy them just to avoid the loss of face involved in one of two itanium vendors going down... |
| 15:16.28 | wols | not to mention it's not the 90s anymore |
| 15:16.36 | jnco | caught signal 4 |
| 15:16.38 | jnco | =/ |
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| 15:16.49 | mauro | but my shell don't try the executable |
| 15:16.57 | wols | pipeline: intel might sell itanic to japan.... as I read it: the question is how much intel has to pay them to take it |
| 15:17.00 | wols | :) |
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| 15:17.17 | wols | jnco: have you looked into your X logs? |
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| 15:17.44 | pipeline | wols: Heh. Itanium acheived most of its goals. |
| 15:17.49 | doccae | how is this packet called, which synchronizes the system clock with the internet? |
| 15:18.01 | nanok | doccae: ntpdate |
| 15:18.04 | orco | there was a smaller company here in orlando that was making video cards, they were GNU-based, for Radiology apps... don't know if it was gameworthy |
| 15:18.06 | nanok | doccae: ntp-server |
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| 15:18.19 | nanok | doccae: apt-cache search for it |
| 15:18.26 | doccae | nanok, thx |
| 15:18.29 | pipeline | wols: It took out four of its competitors without a single chip in customer hands :P (HPPA, superscalar MIPS64, Intergraph CLIPPER, Alpha) |
| 15:18.51 | wols | pipeline: which were? moneymaking couldn't have been a goal then. or pushing out the RISC vendors and AMD |
| 15:19.07 | agentbob | i have someone trying to brute force login to multiple ssh accounts a few thousand times per night from diff IPs... how do I stop them from doing it? they only try each account 1-2 times so sshd doesn't cut em off |
| 15:19.08 | pipeline | wols: Pushing out the RISC vendors was the big one. |
| 15:19.20 | mauro | I have to set Path variable in /etc/profile or in an other file |
| 15:19.20 | wols | pipeline: they'd died on their own merits like PPC for PCs: the volume just wasn't there |
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| 15:19.32 | jnco | someone take a really good guess where my mouse port is |
| 15:19.33 | orco | ok, back to my newbness, :) did about 2 days of research before i came here. So please tolerate my question |
| 15:19.35 | pipeline | wols: The market doesn't bear out that conclusion. |
| 15:19.39 | wols | SPARC is not economically viable in the long run for example |
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| 15:19.41 | nanok | agentbob: set up a decent firewall. ssh from anywhere is usually a bad idea |
| 15:19.42 | ecdemo | mauro: I don't understand yet... not enough information... how is an executable involved? what is the environment variable? how exactly are you setting it? when you run a shell, is it set to the value? to another value? not set? |
| 15:19.43 | orco | glxinfo glxgears |
| 15:19.48 | pipeline | wols: The two architectures that stuck it out, SPARC and PPC64, did very well. |
| 15:19.52 | wols | I even have doubts with IBM, tho currently they're high on consoles |
| 15:19.54 | orco | i get nada after i install nvidia-oneliner |
| 15:19.58 | pipeline | wols: Uh, it's not? Fujitsu seems to be doing pretty damn well selling SPARC. |
| 15:20.03 | jnco | someone guess what my mouse port is |
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| 15:20.11 | pipeline | wols: Sun couldn't bear the cost of SPARC development because they *only* do UNIX. |
| 15:20.11 | agentbob | nanok: kind of hard when i've got dynamic IPs from ISP =\ |
| 15:20.16 | wols | but sparc itself sucks tech weise nowadays imho |
| 15:20.18 | pipeline | wols: Fuji and IBM are much larger companies. |
| 15:20.23 | Acidz0r | orco, kernel version? |
| 15:20.31 | mauro | i have in a folther a file sqlplus |
| 15:20.34 | wols | they just don't have the economies of scale |
| 15:20.36 | pipeline | wols: Heh, technical superiority doesn't have anything to do with it. |
| 15:20.45 | vega- | anyone experienced tables being emptied while upgrading mysql 4.1 -> 5 ? or have heard of such behaviour... |
| 15:20.48 | nanok | agentbob: dynamic ip-s on the attacked box or on those you want ot have acces from? |
| 15:20.48 | ecdemo | this is for oracle?? |
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| 15:20.51 | abrotman | pipeline: que? |
| 15:20.55 | wols | it has in sofar as intel has shitloads of money to spend on R&D |
| 15:20.55 | pipeline | wols: In processors, economies of scope matter more than scope. |
| 15:20.58 | agentbob | nanok: on those i want access from |
| 15:21.02 | abrotman | pipeline: i thought SGI still "controlled" GL |
| 15:21.05 | pipeline | wols: err, scope more than scale. |
| 15:21.07 | wols | IBM has to recoup costs harder than intel with ^gazillion cpus per quarter |
| 15:21.10 | mauro | then i have to set this folder in the PATH variable in the /etc/profile |
| 15:21.14 | nanok | agentbob: in the later case, you should proly use vpn, in the former, it is besides the point.. |
| 15:21.23 | pipeline | abrotman: Err, in that they are very important on the committee, I suppose you could make that pitch. |
| 15:21.30 | pipeline | abrotman: They don't hold most of the important patents. |
| 15:21.35 | ecdemo | ahh |
| 15:21.37 | pipeline | abrotman: They don't make their own chipsets any more. |
| 15:21.39 | agentbob | i think cpanel has some kind of program that runs checking failed login attempts.. then bans them in hosts.deny... never found out what app is responsible fo rthat though |
| 15:21.41 | ecdemo | so the variable is PATH |
| 15:21.46 | pipeline | abrotman: The Onyx and the Prism both use ATI chipsets :P |
| 15:22.00 | ecdemo | and you added the dir containing sqlplus to the PATH |
| 15:22.05 | abrotman | pipeline: OpenGL is a registered trademark of SGI |
| 15:22.07 | mauro | but when i digit ./sqlplus in the prompt say not found |
| 15:22.08 | ecdemo | show how you did that exactly |
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| 15:22.32 | wols | ATI? why not nv? didn't many ex SGI end up there? including patent problems? |
| 15:22.36 | ecdemo | ok, now I understand |
| 15:22.49 | ecdemo | let's see if I can lead you to the same understanding |
| 15:22.52 | mauro | PATH="....:/home/mauro/instantclient" |
| 15:22.54 | ecdemo | what does . mean? |
| 15:22.56 | pipeline | abrotman: Only the "Fuel", their uniprocessor IRIX workstation, uses SGI graphics. And it uses graphics designed in like, 1998. |
| 15:23.07 | wols | abrotman: but they don't do anything so who cares about the name? |
| 15:23.08 | ecdemo | you need also export |
| 15:23.09 | mauro | other folder |
| 15:23.26 | mauro | that there is before in the file |
| 15:23.31 | ecdemo | no... . means "the folder you are in" |
| 15:23.37 | Doughbwoy | loool |
| 15:23.38 | ecdemo | what does .. mean? |
| 15:23.40 | Doughbwoy | sorry *G* |
| 15:23.42 | abrotman | wols: i thought sgi still had the controlling interest in GL .. |
| 15:23.46 | mauro | yes there is at the end of file export PATH |
| 15:23.54 | ecdemo | ok, good |
| 15:24.07 | wols | abrotman: imho they keep tabs on it as part of what's left of their "IP" |
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| 15:24.18 | jnco | im a newbie, someone help me find out what exactly my mouse port is |
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| 15:24.29 | jnco | im having problems with free86 |
| 15:24.29 | abrotman | what kernel and what kind of mnouse? |
| 15:24.30 | ecdemo | when you run echo $PATH in your shell, do you see the path? |
| 15:24.31 | mauro | but it doesn-t run |
| 15:24.32 | jnco | its.. |
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| 15:24.46 | mauro | one moment i try |
| 15:24.55 | jnco | the latest debian iso, no updates, and a wireless ps2 mouse/kb from logitech |
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| 15:25.13 | ecdemo | we have to get back to the . issue tho |
| 15:25.20 | wols | jnco: sarge or etch? |
| 15:25.22 | jnco | plugs into ps2/and ps2 mouth |
| 15:25.22 | mauro | no there are all ather but not it |
| 15:25.23 | jnco | ports |
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| 15:25.34 | jnco | how can i tell i forgot the ver command =P |
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| 15:25.46 | wols | jnco: most probably /dev/psaux and you need the ImPS2 protocol |
| 15:25.48 | sonyman | jnco: you don't know what you downloaded? |
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| 15:25.59 | jnco | i forget what version =P |
| 15:26.00 | wols | jnco: uname -a |
| 15:26.03 | ecdemo | run this: |
| 15:26.09 | ecdemo | at your shell |
| 15:26.13 | jnco | 2.2.20 |
| 15:26.18 | asg | ouch |
| 15:26.19 | wols | eeek! |
| 15:26.23 | jnco | jeez |
| 15:26.24 | vega- | heheh |
| 15:26.26 | jnco | hehe |
| 15:26.33 | wols | jnco: you're running woody. with an OLD woody kernel even |
| 15:26.33 | asg | jnco: you running woody? |
| 15:26.34 | nn- | still better than 2.6.x :P |
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| 15:26.37 | jnco | ok im going for psaux and ImPS2 for the win! |
| 15:26.41 | sonyman | running 2.2.2 here ;-) |
| 15:26.43 | jnco | good old wood. |
| 15:26.43 | wols | nn-: sush! |
| 15:26.59 | wols | jnco: just upgrade to sarge. NOW |
| 15:27.00 | wols | :) |
| 15:27.03 | ecdemo | export PATH="$PATH:/home/mauro/instantclient" |
| 15:27.07 | orco | what's the best kernel to use at the present time for pentium D |
| 15:27.12 | agentbob | nanok: thanks for vpn suggestion, i'll consider it |
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| 15:27.15 | orco | is it 686-smp? |
| 15:27.19 | sonyman | orco: yes |
| 15:27.20 | wols | orco: yes |
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| 15:27.31 | orco | thankyou |
| 15:27.42 | ecdemo | (we will -pretend- your shell ran the thing in /etc/profile) |
| 15:27.47 | orco | and how do i get my glx on? |
| 15:27.52 | wols | orco: tho you might want a newer kernel to get the goodies your new P4 chipset brings you like SATA, sound and other little niceties |
| 15:28.08 | orco | i must knife newbs |
| 15:28.24 | jnco | damnit!!!!!!!!!! i keep getting caught signal 4: server aborting |
| 15:28.26 | wols | orco: what vga chipset? |
| 15:28.32 | ecdemo | orco: then you should have been dead some time ago :) |
| 15:28.35 | mauro | now there is |
| 15:28.35 | orco | nvidia 6600gt |
| 15:28.40 | orco | lol |
| 15:28.41 | sonyman | ecdemo: good one |
| 15:28.42 | valdyn | !nvidia one-liner |
| 15:28.43 | dpkg | somebody said nvidia one-liner was update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 15:28.44 | wols | jnco: have you looked in your logs (saying this the 3rd time now...) |
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| 15:28.48 | orco | i did the one liner |
| 15:28.55 | jnco | i have. |
| 15:29.10 | wols | jnco: and? any lines with EE for example? |
| 15:29.13 | jnco | lemme look see again, i dont see (EE)s so its hard to decipher at least for me anyway |
| 15:29.14 | valdyn | orco: dpkg -l nvidia-glx |
| 15:29.15 | mauro | but I have to write thie sommand in .bash_profile |
| 15:29.21 | ecdemo | btw, why was the variable not set to the proper value? |
| 15:29.22 | orco | ok, i shall try |
| 15:29.31 | wols | jnco: also, I'd rather update to a sarge and its version of XFree before contiuing, but that's just me |
| 15:29.48 | sonyman | wols: what does woody have? 3.3.6? |
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| 15:30.06 | jnco | the log doesnt tell me anything really |
| 15:30.09 | wols | sonyman: 3.3.5 I think. at least I remember running that once |
| 15:30.09 | jnco | no EEs |
| 15:30.12 | orco | to past on flood... |
| 15:30.14 | jnco | just random horrible error |
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| 15:30.20 | sonyman | wols: I'm running 3.3.6 :) |
| 15:30.23 | orco | "/join #flood" right? |
| 15:30.23 | mauro | yes is set but it always set or i have to write the command all time |
| 15:30.24 | jnco | KDE worked once.. once.. then it spit back an error about my mouse |
| 15:30.42 | wols | sonyman: gz. you're suffering under some godawful videochip I guess, like S3? |
| 15:30.44 | jnco | i thought i had fixed it but nope.. now i get this totally random error caught signal 4 |
| 15:30.49 | ecdemo | mauro: but why wasn't it set before? |
| 15:30.59 | sonyman | wols: Sony/Toshiba Emotion Engine actually |
| 15:31.00 | orco | ok pasted resulds of dpkg -l nvidia-glx |
| 15:31.08 | ecdemo | (hint: what did you have to do to get it set?) |
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| 15:31.22 | sonyman | wols: err Graphics Synthesizer |
| 15:31.24 | orco | on flood that is |
| 15:31.24 | wols | signal 4 = SIGILL = illegal instruction |
| 15:31.26 | lukas__ | how do I force the following expression to be ungreedy? echo `expr "blabla" : '\(.*\)l.*'` |
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| 15:31.52 | valdyn | orco: paste your /var/log/XFree86.0.log too please |
| 15:31.55 | wols | sonyman: toys are toys and computers are computers. don't believe the shit of "supercomputers under export license" crap |
| 15:31.57 | orco | ok |
| 15:32.04 | valdyn | !paste |
| 15:32.04 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 15:32.08 | sonyman | wols: eh? |
| 15:32.10 | valdyn | orco: paste sites are better really |
| 15:32.21 | mauro | i dont' understand what you say |
| 15:32.33 | sonyman | wols: this isn't exactly a supercomputer lol |
| 15:32.35 | orco | hmm, could you elaborate on which is a good site please |
| 15:32.41 | wols | sonyman: you running your linux on a toy which was billed as "suprecomputer" for iraq back under embargo |
| 15:32.45 | valdyn | orco: what dpkg said |
| 15:32.49 | sonyman | wols: hahaha |
| 15:32.57 | jnco | k i think i gotta set my video ram |
| 15:33.04 | ecdemo | before you did export PATH=..., PATH did not have the value you wanted. yes? |
| 15:33.14 | mauro | yes |
| 15:33.18 | ecdemo | why? |
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| 15:33.25 | wols | sonyman: and it were if you'd actually run it on that emotuion marchitecture. in fact you run it under a really really old MIPS I/O processor :P |
| 15:33.39 | sonyman | wols: yes, an R5900 v2 |
| 15:34.00 | jnco | whats a good guess for video ram hehe |
| 15:34.03 | jnco | 16? |
| 15:34.08 | wols | cause sony wouldn't be sony if it let "the good stuff" out in the open to let everyone play with it :( |
| 15:34.10 | jnco | i dont have a card in here, its a chipset |
| 15:34.10 | resiak | 16/f/cali |
| 15:34.13 | jnco | on a damn dell |
| 15:34.16 | wols | jnco: depends on your card |
| 15:34.18 | sonyman | wols: of course |
| 15:34.18 | resiak | jnco: You can ignore it, like it says |
| 15:34.20 | jnco | guess |
| 15:34.21 | mauro | i don't know. I set it in /etc/profile |
| 15:34.25 | jnco | no i cant because i get errors |
| 15:34.29 | ecdemo | therefore: |
| 15:34.33 | wols | jnco: then look in your BIOS. it tells you how much to assing for video |
| 15:34.39 | ecdemo | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:34.40 | wols | also tell us how much ram you have under linux |
| 15:34.42 | jnco | ok lets just say 16, im too lazy to reset my computer |
| 15:34.47 | sonyman | wols: I'm compiling xfce4 on this ancient box :) |
| 15:34.51 | ecdemo | why? |
| 15:35.04 | mauro | but it does not appear if i digit $PATH |
| 15:35.08 | wols | jnco: you get errors when using the BIOS or /usr/bin/free? |
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| 15:35.35 | ecdemo | mauro: run a new shell |
| 15:35.38 | jnco | ugh |
| 15:35.45 | jnco | no i get errors when running this login manager |
| 15:35.47 | nanok | wols: no, when guessing and starting X, i suppose ;) |
| 15:35.48 | mauro | i want to know if is permanent what i do or not |
| 15:36.01 | jnco | i get .. umm what was it now.. caught signal 4, fatal error |
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| 15:36.04 | ecdemo | ok, we're testing that now |
| 15:36.06 | jnco | i read a forum about video memory |
| 15:36.13 | valdyn | !listkeys signal |
| 15:36.15 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'signal' by key (6): signal-to-noise ratio ;; _default signal 11 ;; synchronous transport signal level 1 (sts-1) ;; signalos ;; signal 11 ;; signals. |
| 15:36.22 | ecdemo | (btw, you want this permanent for all users... yes?) |
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| 15:36.29 | jnco | damn i dont know what to put for video ram in kb |
| 15:36.32 | wols | signal4 is illegal instruction |
| 15:36.39 | jnco | yea. |
| 15:36.46 | jnco | =) |
| 15:36.46 | jnco | ,, |
| 15:36.47 | mauro | yes and for all login |
| 15:36.48 | wols | e.g. wehn userland runs an instrcution which is ring0 only |
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| 15:37.01 | valdyn | jnco: nothing to do with your specifying the video ram |
| 15:37.01 | wols | jnco: tell us the output of "free" |
| 15:37.11 | ecdemo | mauro: try this: log out and log back in |
| 15:37.29 | wols | jnco: if I were you'd irun memtest86 for a few hours |
| 15:37.36 | wols | after I checked the temps in BIOS that is |
| 15:37.44 | mauro | ok |
| 15:37.56 | mauro | bye |
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| 15:38.07 | ecdemo | see ya when you get back |
| 15:38.15 | mauro | ok |
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| 15:39.08 | wols | ma3x: next time, let him log in in another virtual console |
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| 15:39.46 | orco | shoot my log file is huge, could someone tell me a good paste site please |
| 15:39.48 | orco | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2243 |
| 15:39.50 | orco | there's my xfree.log |
| 15:40.04 | cahoot | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2242 - an excerpt from my chrony log - what could explain such sudden changes - hw error? network lag? |
| 15:40.16 | jnco | caught signal 4 rules!!!!!!!1 |
| 15:40.21 | jnco | thanks xfree86 |
| 15:40.37 | valdyn | orco: here's your error: (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (NVIDIA X driver not found) |
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| 15:40.45 | orco | wild... |
| 15:40.49 | orco | i did the oneliner |
| 15:41.12 | wols | orco: but apparently it did not install to the right place. you DO have the kernel module loaded? |
| 15:41.18 | jnco | so.. caught signal 4 has nothing to do with video memory |
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| 15:41.31 | Supaplex | !lart orco's log file |
| 15:41.32 | valdyn | orco: i suggest you redo the one liner properly |
| 15:41.35 | mauro | hello |
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| 15:41.49 | ecdemo | hi. echo $PATH |
| 15:41.52 | orco | hmm i guess cutting and pasting dpkg doensn't do it, arrghh |
| 15:41.54 | ecdemo | is it right now? |
| 15:41.54 | wols | rehi ma3x |
| 15:42.04 | mauro | is not permanent now my folder is not in the $PATH |
| 15:42.05 | wols | doh |
| 15:42.09 | orco | i shall try again |
| 15:42.25 | lukas__ | how do I force the following expression to be ungreedy? echo `expr "blabla" : '\(.*\)l.*'` |
| 15:42.35 | ecdemo | ok, put it in ~/.bashrc |
| 15:43.00 | ecdemo | your shells are not running as login shells when you fire them up |
| 15:43.41 | Supaplex | lukas__: .*? |
| 15:43.45 | valdyn | orco: grep -i vesa /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
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| 15:43.50 | ecdemo | if you look at man bash at almost the very end, there is a FILES section... this shows what files are sourced when and under what conditions |
| 15:44.02 | ecdemo | but before you do that, run that export command again |
| 15:44.16 | ecdemo | export PATH="$PATH:/home/mauro/instantclient" |
| 15:44.28 | mauro | ok |
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| 15:45.49 | orco | it sayeth driver "vesa" |
| 15:45.51 | mauro | i have done |
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| 15:45.57 | orco | it should say "nvidia" |
| 15:45.58 | orco | yes? |
| 15:46.09 | valdyn | orco: yes |
| 15:46.12 | valdyn | !drxx orco |
| 15:46.13 | dpkg | orco: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 15:46.13 | ecdemo | ok, try the command now (and tell me what you try) |
| 15:46.43 | orco | dude this is crazy, i've done this 6 times i swear and i always picked nvidia... |
| 15:46.46 | mauro | now the folder is in $PATH |
| 15:46.52 | orco | ok try number 7 |
| 15:46.52 | ecdemo | good |
| 15:46.57 | pipeline | orco: dexconf 1 |
| 15:47.02 | valdyn | orco: maybe you should pay attention to the last part of what dpkg said |
| 15:47.03 | pipeline | orco: err, dexconf ! |
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| 15:47.09 | orco | dexconf for handedited? |
| 15:47.10 | mauro | I try to relogin to see if is permanent |
| 15:47.15 | jnco | I upped my memory for VMware and it worked!!!!! YAY!!!!!!!!!! |
| 15:47.15 | pipeline | orco: dexconf generates a fresh file |
| 15:47.16 | jnco | I upped my memory for VMware and it worked!!!!! YAY!!!!!!!!!! |
| 15:47.21 | ecdemo | no, that will not be. |
| 15:47.26 | ecdemo | we already know that |
| 15:47.32 | orco | ok |
| 15:47.37 | jnco | doh |
| 15:47.42 | jnco | kde starts then fails. |
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| 15:48.18 | shib | i just installed debian, but now i have 800*600 as resolution, i did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and enabled other resolutions, but i still can't choose another resolution.. |
| 15:48.29 | jnco | initializing peripherials, then goes back to xdm |
| 15:48.47 | nn- | shib: what about xf86cfg -textmode ? |
| 15:48.55 | mauro | how can i do it permanent |
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| 15:49.33 | shib | hmm i'll try that nn- |
| 15:49.36 | ecdemo | mauro: we'll worry about that later... |
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| 15:49.50 | ecdemo | meanwhile, does the command work? what exactly are you trying? |
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| 15:50.17 | jnco | debian modprobe: modprobe: cannot locate module char-major-14 |
| 15:50.24 | jnco | =) |
| 15:50.28 | jnco | whats that ? =) |
| 15:50.33 | mauro | i want set permanent this folder in the $PATH variable |
| 15:50.39 | ecdemo | yes I know |
| 15:50.50 | jnco | whats the command to bounce out of xdm and into the console/terminal |
| 15:50.56 | ecdemo | we want to know if this setting works |
| 15:51.10 | nn- | jnco: /etc/init.d/xdm stop |
| 15:51.24 | d0rt_ | jnco: or ctrl-alt-f2 |
| 15:51.25 | ecdemo | should be easy to test |
| 15:51.32 | mauro | for this session it work |
| 15:51.38 | ecdemo | ok. |
| 15:51.42 | shib | nn-, it says: "failed to write configuration file /etc/X11/XF86Config" |
| 15:51.54 | ecdemo | so, what exactly did you try? |
| 15:52.12 | jnco | ummm |
| 15:52.13 | nn- | nanok: you should run xf86cfg as root :) |
| 15:52.19 | jnco | ctrl+alt+f2 doesnt work |
| 15:52.22 | nn- | shib: you should run xf86cfg as root :) |
| 15:52.24 | nn- | oops |
| 15:52.28 | jnco | and theres no command line to run xdm stop |
| 15:52.30 | mauro | i write the command in the .bashrc |
| 15:52.30 | shib | ah ok |
| 15:52.32 | jnco | im in the login manager |
| 15:52.36 | jnco | how do i bounce outta here |
| 15:52.36 | asg | jnco: /etc/init.d/xdm stop |
| 15:52.39 | orco | dexconf barfed |
| 15:52.39 | jnco | dude.. |
| 15:52.45 | jnco | where am i gonna run that from all i have is a gui |
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| 15:52.49 | asg | jnco: CTRL+ALT+F1 |
| 15:52.49 | jnco | with login/password |
| 15:52.53 | jnco | ahh f1 |
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| 15:53.16 | jnco | no workey!! =p |
| 15:54.40 | ecdemo | jnco: are you sure you're holding down ctrl and alt? |
| 15:54.42 | asg | jnco: it should, try ctrl+alt+f2 |
| 15:54.50 | jengelh | how to emulate alt+f2 over serial? |
| 15:55.10 | ecdemo | serial doesn't have multiple consoles |
| 15:55.16 | valdyn | jengelh: this nonsense |
| 15:55.17 | ecdemo | you could use screen or something |
| 15:55.18 | asg | jengelh: run screen |
| 15:55.20 | valdyn | jengelh: that is nonsense |
| 15:55.25 | nanok | nn-: you think so? :) |
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| 15:55.40 | nn- | nanok: sry wrong nick |
| 15:55.50 | jengelh | valdyn : but how is one then supposed to open a shell in the installer system without trying to find the menu? |
| 15:56.12 | jengelh | that is, without aborting |
| 15:56.26 | ecdemo | that is a good point |
| 15:56.32 | nanok | nn-: np, just kidding |
| 15:56.51 | valdyn | jengelh: should have a menu entry 'open shell', if there isnt one, i cant help you |
| 15:57.12 | jengelh | problem is, one usually does not see a menu unless something breaks during install (netinst.image) |
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| 15:57.44 | jnco | leave me alone login display manager!!!!!!!!1 |
| 15:58.00 | nonix4 | Anyone ever thought that we could have some use for a command line meta-archiver? And other meta-tools? Calling tar, gzip, bzip2, lzop, cpio, rpm, dpkg, jar, ... for basic archive-operations all w/ different syntaxes sucks... |
| 15:58.01 | ecdemo | valdyn: look at it as a feature request... |
| 15:58.05 | sepski | jnco, just remove it then and quit whining |
| 15:58.19 | asg | jnco: reboot into single user mode and use update-rc.d to remove the links that automatically start xdm until you get it fixed |
| 15:58.23 | valdyn | ecdemo: somehow i dont think its missing, but i dont know actually, its been a long time since i used d-i |
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| 15:59.17 | nn- | nonix4: should't that be possible using a simple shell script that calls "file"? |
| 15:59.42 | valdyn | nonix4: there _IS_ p7zip |
| 16:00.14 | ecdemo | valdyn: his problem is he's running it over a serial link... this would add code to the installer, but there must be some way of dropping to a shell in the middle of anything that's happening... under normal conditions, alt-F2 is a VC and the installer normally uses that to put up a shell |
| 16:00.17 | valdyn | nonix4: probably could use your help, but it still does right now support quite a few archive formats |
| 16:00.41 | ecdemo | if that can be offered with a serial link, that might be a good thing for people that run into problems |
| 16:00.41 | valdyn | ecdemo: yea i understand his issue completely |
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| 16:00.58 | jnco | login display manager shall meet its final days |
| 16:01.06 | jnco | at the hand of my anger |
| 16:01.08 | nonix4 | valdyn: well... the design I was thinking of wouldn't even try to implement the file formats itself - it'd just call others to do the dirty work & fix their problems if needed :-) |
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| 16:01.12 | jnco | prepare to die xdm. |
| 16:01.13 | ecdemo | then you considering it nonsense might be shortsighted :) |
| 16:01.17 | valdyn | ecdemo: just a kernel level thing like linux virtual consoles is not possible |
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| 16:01.38 | ecdemo | well what about some sort of emulation? |
| 16:02.03 | valdyn | ecdemo: sure there's screen |
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| 16:02.20 | LeBronJames | where to download debian? |
| 16:02.21 | ecdemo | what if screen could come with the installer? |
| 16:02.26 | LeBronJames | 1cd install |
| 16:02.46 | ecdemo | well screen probably needs ncurses, that might be too bloated |
| 16:02.46 | jmp_me | how many lines of code is there in debian? |
| 16:02.57 | sonyman | jmp_me: 6 lines |
| 16:02.58 | ecdemo | 897387589347589358935 and growing |
| 16:03.00 | valdyn | jmp_me: more than you can count |
| 16:03.29 | jmp_me | thats stupid |
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| 16:04.01 | valdyn | jmp_me: order of magnitude should be around 10^10 |
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| 16:04.06 | nonix4 | valdyn: also to gain maximal user acceptance it could even have both tar-style and zip-style parameters available - I was actually thinking about the problem from the simplify-and-fix-tar-syntax point of view, but zip point of view should also be thought about :-) |
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| 16:04.58 | jengelh | Can smbclient display all computers in a workgroup? |
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| 16:05.38 | nonix4 | valdyn: in addition I wasn't only thinking about compression, but other command line things that have several file formats and separate tools for them with varying command line parameters - I'm dreaming of a command line _language translator_ type of software here :-) |
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| 16:06.00 | twobitsprite | why can't I find anything that will play WAV files? |
| 16:06.15 | coywolf | anyone gave me suggestions on notebook recently here? |
| 16:06.17 | twobitsprite | something tells me this is non-free stuff, but I don't know where to look |
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| 16:06.20 | valdyn | nonix4: that exists in a way, see 'mime' |
| 16:06.25 | ofinet | PLEASE, I NOT UNDERTAND ENGLISH |
| 16:06.26 | mauro | ecdemo thanks for help i have to go i want to try to relogin |
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| 16:06.46 | ecdemo | coywolf: I suggest notebooks should have pages to write on... |
| 16:06.46 | blondie | ofinet: and? |
| 16:06.52 | ofinet | please speak spanish |
| 16:06.58 | blondie | ofinet: no, piss off |
| 16:07.02 | twobitsprite | ofinet: please speak english |
| 16:07.09 | valdyn | twobitsprite: man 'play' |
| 16:07.10 | nonix4 | valdyn: hmm... yes, mime is quite near... although usually not really used for the purpose I was thinking of. |
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| 16:07.12 | ofinet | ok, bye |
| 16:07.23 | dadexter | isn't there a #debian-spanish channel? |
| 16:07.27 | ecdemo | there is #debian-es |
| 16:07.28 | blondie | !es |
| 16:07.30 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:07.34 | ofinet | yes, |
| 16:07.36 | blondie | it's already in -es |
| 16:07.41 | ofinet | también estoy ahi |
| 16:07.44 | twobitsprite | valdyn: no entry |
| 16:07.53 | blondie | ofinet: SHUT IT |
| 16:08.18 | ecdemo | just ignore him if he's getting to you |
| 16:08.26 | valdyn | twobitsprite: apt-get install sox |
| 16:08.31 | blondie | I'll being going in a minute :) |
| 16:08.31 | ofinet | NO, i want study debian, no import language |
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| 16:08.53 | dadexter | ofinet: go to a spanish debian channel before you end up ignored and banned |
| 16:09.11 | blondie | ofinet: this is an english channel, so speak english or go away |
| 16:09.14 | jnco | ok. the only thing thats working in this XDM login is me pressing alt+shift+c which refreshes the screen, what is the exit key to this login manager so I can troubleshoot KDE from the console or how do I get XDM not to start on reboot |
| 16:09.23 | jnco | please =) |
| 16:09.37 | jnco | I cannot get to a prompt. |
| 16:09.46 | jnco | I login, kde starts, fails, then sends me back to xdm |
| 16:09.50 | ecdemo | there's no call to be rude toward him |
| 16:09.58 | valdyn | jnco: log in, open a shell , su to root, run 'nohup /etc/init.d/xdm stop &' |
| 16:10.01 | bjb | jnco, does ctl-alt-f1 not get you to console 1? |
| 16:10.04 | blondie | ecdemo: there is when he's rude first |
| 16:10.17 | jnco | no =*( |
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| 16:10.28 | jnco | dunno why |
| 16:10.33 | jnco | i disabled the vmware shortcuts |
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| 16:10.38 | jnco | i think. |
| 16:10.45 | jnco | pretty sure they are FULLY disabled. |
| 16:10.47 | bjb | jnco, you tried the other consoles? f2-f6? |
| 16:10.58 | jnco | WOAH!! |
| 16:11.02 | jnco | i had to HOLD the keys |
| 16:11.03 | jnco | freaky. |
| 16:11.06 | mauro | ecdemo now it run |
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| 16:11.09 | jnco | ok works now to troubleshoot this biatch. |
| 16:11.10 | mauro | thanks |
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| 16:12.03 | XSoul | hello team |
| 16:12.13 | jnco | sup soulbrotha |
| 16:12.14 | XSoul | anyone with problem compiling 2.6.16 with debian way make-kpkg |
| 16:12.21 | XSoul | and alsa nvidia modules ? |
| 16:12.29 | XSoul | for the both I receive errors |
| 16:12.34 | pipeline | XSoul: I don't think 2.6.16 works with nvidia modules. Period. |
| 16:12.45 | ecdemo | mauro: putting it in ~you/.bashrc makes it work only for you... but at least it does |
| 16:12.48 | XSoul | <pipeline> .. with the alsa too ? |
| 16:12.50 | valdyn | XSoul: you need newer nvidia drivers, maybe they are still only in experimental |
| 16:13.07 | valdyn | XSoul: 2.6.16 does compile fine however |
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| 16:13.33 | XSoul | <valdyn> I understand now . hmm for the kernel is compiling well for one home file server |
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| 16:13.40 | mauro | ok "all is not possible" |
| 16:13.45 | mauro | bye |
| 16:13.45 | XSoul | but for alsa and nvida and dxr3 I have problems |
| 16:13.52 | ecdemo | not impossible |
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| 16:14.07 | plutonas | if I download the debian sarge 14 cds, will I need a internet connection, or is everything included in the cds? |
| 16:14.08 | valdyn | XSoul: you are trying to compile 'extra' alsa? why? its in 2.6.16 |
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| 16:14.32 | ecdemo | one way: put it in everyone's .bashrc and put it in /etc/skel/.bashrc (for users you create later) |
| 16:14.32 | valdyn | plutonas: everything is included except the latest security upgrades |
| 16:14.32 | XSoul | <valdyn> I try to make in from alsa-source not these in the kernel included |
| 16:14.47 | valdyn | XSoul: just use the ones from kernel |
| 16:15.01 | wols | plutonas: evreything is included. some things that are not in debian are not however. like the nvidia drivers |
| 16:15.03 | XSoul | <valdyn> yes this is possible way .. |
| 16:15.12 | wols | plutonas: you might also only need 7CDs with bianries |
| 16:15.16 | valdyn | wols: wrong |
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| 16:15.23 | plutonas | valdyn, which I don't need if I haven't net access right? |
| 16:15.28 | wols | valdyn: so what's missing? |
| 16:15.30 | plutonas | wols, why? |
| 16:15.38 | valdyn | wols: nvidia driver isnt missing |
| 16:15.38 | ecdemo | you might not -need- any cds |
| 16:15.50 | wols | valdyn: they put in closed source into those 7CDs? |
| 16:15.52 | ecdemo | depending on what you're doing |
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| 16:16.04 | plutonas | so what should I download? |
| 16:16.10 | valdyn | wols: its 14 CDs with binaries |
| 16:16.12 | wols | valdyn: or a flash plugin? |
| 16:16.19 | pipeline | plutonas: Downloading all the CDs is very, very silly. CDs are slow. |
| 16:16.24 | wols | valdyn: isn't 7CDs binaries, 7CDs source? |
| 16:16.31 | valdyn | wols: nope |
| 16:16.38 | wols | all 14 binaries? |
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| 16:16.40 | pipeline | plutonas: If you're going to install on a lot of machines, the best way to do it is to download a complete archive to a local server, then install over the network onto all your target machines. |
| 16:16.41 | lostson | being very new to debian how difficult is it to build a .deb |
| 16:16.42 | valdyn | wols: flash should be on there too |
| 16:16.47 | pipeline | lostson: Very. |
| 16:16.48 | valdyn | wols: FOURTEEN binary cdroms |
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| 16:16.58 | zamolxes | valdyn: flash is not there :) |
| 16:16.58 | pipeline | lostson: However, if you just want a "safe" way to install something from source, use "checkinstall" |
| 16:16.59 | ecdemo | lostson: lots and lots to learn |
| 16:17.13 | zamolxes | a flash *installer* at most |
| 16:17.16 | pipeline | lostson: checkinstall generates a deb from a source tree. Its not a very, uh, useful deb (no dependency data) but it'll let you uninstall stuff. |
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| 16:17.24 | valdyn | zamolxes: pretty sure flash is there, ill have a look though |
| 16:17.28 | valdyn | !cd contents |
| 16:17.29 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the sarge cds: http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt |
| 16:17.37 | lostson | ok thanks for the info |
| 16:17.37 | amee2k | quick: debian 3.1 setup how can i cancel the package download and installation that's offered after first reboot? |
| 16:17.52 | valdyn | zamolxes: flashplugin-nonfree is there, not just an installer |
| 16:17.56 | pipeline | plutonas: Another option is to get the "netinstall" CD. Despite the name, you don't need the net to install from the "netinst" disc. "netinst" just contains the most minimal set of debian packages required to get a working system. |
| 16:18.12 | valdyn | zamolxes: on the 3rd cdrom |
| 16:18.15 | ecdemo | lostson: see if www.debian.org/devel has somethign |
| 16:18.18 | plutonas | I am very new to debian, I will install it on 2 pcs, and want to have as much packages as possible. And on the one system there is no internet connection |
| 16:18.21 | nonix4 | Hmm... what is the minimum x86 cpu supported nowadays by the binaries? |
| 16:18.39 | pipeline | nonix4: I think you need a 386-dx. |
| 16:18.42 | valdyn | nonix4: maybe 486, certainly not 386 |
| 16:18.45 | nn- | plutonas: no you don't want to have as much packages as possible |
| 16:18.46 | lostson | ecdemo: thanks |
| 16:18.48 | zamolxes | pool/main/s/swfdec0.3/swf-player_0.3.6-2_i386.deb i don't think its actually working :) |
| 16:18.49 | valdyn | pipeline: no, 386 does not work |
| 16:18.57 | plutonas | nn- I want on cd's |
| 16:18.59 | pipeline | valdyn: For sarge? Why not? |
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| 16:19.07 | amee2k | debian 3.1 setup, how can i cancel the package download that's offered after first reboot? |
| 16:19.18 | valdyn | pipeline: because gcc doesnt support 386 iirc |
| 16:19.26 | plutonas | because its a problem to come here again and download the packets that I need |
| 16:19.33 | wols | a486 does work, and why shouldn't a 386? |
| 16:19.35 | nonix4 | valdyn: I thought it was 2.6 kernels' MMU requirements w/ SID |
| 16:19.39 | valdyn | pipeline: or maybe its libc6, whatever, im sure a 386 doesnt work |
| 16:19.48 | pipeline | plutonas: Heh. I think you underestimate how many packages there are. You'll fill a 40G hard drive :P |
| 16:20.08 | nn- | pipeline: that's what i mean :) |
| 16:20.16 | valdyn | nonix4: not really, the kernel does support 386 |
| 16:20.19 | nonix4 | anyway the changelog will surely mention _why_ :-) |
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| 16:20.23 | wols | valdyn: why are you sure? only difference toa 486 logically is a FPU. and we have an FPU emulator |
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| 16:20.27 | kyncani | plutonas: you could use debian install dvds i think |
| 16:20.33 | valdyn | wols: that's wrong |
| 16:20.46 | wols | valdyn: ok, so what else is missing in a 386? |
| 16:20.49 | pipeline | valdyn: Uh, GCC, libc, and the kernel should all support 386-DX. |
| 16:20.50 | valdyn | wols: its not the only difference |
| 16:20.54 | plutonas | pipeline, I want the available from debian p[ackages and I wand them on cd's there will not be on any hd |
| 16:20.54 | amee2k | anyone know what i mean? |
| 16:21.10 | pipeline | valdyn: err, 386DX with/FPU, anyway. |
| 16:21.11 | plutonas | kyncani, here there is just a cd-rw |
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| 16:21.30 | plutonas | so how many isos should I download? |
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| 16:21.48 | valdyn | pipeline: ill have to google to find the exact reason,.. |
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| 16:21.51 | pipeline | valdyn: I think a 387-less 386 won't work any more, but a 386 w/fpu with sufficient memory and EISA *should* still work with kernel/gcc/libc... |
| 16:22.16 | pipeline | plutonas: If you're hell bent on this, all of them, I suppose. You'll probably want to use jigdo, though. The http mirror is *incredibly* slow. |
| 16:22.25 | ecdemo | well you can download as many as you want... but maybe it would be better for bandwidth (remember, someone pays for it) if you get them snailmailed to you |
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| 16:22.46 | plutonas | pipeline, I download with 4 mb/sec |
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| 16:23.02 | amee2k | *sigh* |
| 16:23.02 | kyncani | plutonas: well, the most commonly used packages are on cd 1, i'd say with 3-4 cds you should be fine |
| 16:23.03 | plutonas | I don't think speed matters I have already 4 isos |
| 16:23.04 | pipeline | plutonas: Heh, but cdimages.debian.org can't upload to you at that speed. You'll be there waiting for days :P |
| 16:23.04 | ecdemo | as long as they upload at that rate :P |
| 16:23.07 | wols | plutonas: but the mirror might not give you data at that speed |
| 16:23.24 | amee2k | nevermind, now i'm f---ed |
| 16:23.26 | pipeline | plutonas: If you don't want to use jigdo, it will probably be faster to *mail* the discs to you. :9 |
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| 16:23.54 | plutonas | http://debian.spark.net.gr/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 16:24.11 | wols | valdyn: there are several new instruction fromt he first P5 CPUs and latter 486, but the bog standard 486-25 doesn't have anything nwe. and even those new ones don't need to be used. gcc can omit them in code generation easily |
| 16:24.18 | plutonas | here I download with 4mb/sec, I am at university now, and today its very fast |
| 16:24.48 | valdyn | pipeline: http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=1222 ( but that's not the final decision on dropping 386 support ) |
| 16:25.14 | ecdemo | plutonas: well then there you go... but jigdo is still better... you can later update changed images |
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| 16:25.34 | plutonas | ok |
| 16:26.01 | pipeline | valdyn: Ahah. C++ ABI issues. So, in essence, a debian-specific problem. (You don't really need C++ to have a working linux system. Silly Apt :\) |
| 16:26.10 | ecdemo | (what happens to the value of those cds when 3.2 comes out...) |
| 16:26.18 | wols | pipeline: xchg it seems |
| 16:26.24 | ecdemo | whatever tho, you worry about that :) |
| 16:27.26 | ecdemo | debian might drop i386? |
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| 16:27.52 | ecdemo | what's the lowest processor that's common to all after that/ |
| 16:27.54 | pipeline | ecdemo: Not really all that troubling. There aren't many 386 machines out there with enough RAM to run debian, anyway. |
| 16:27.55 | ecdemo | ? |
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| 16:28.07 | ecdemo | true |
| 16:28.14 | abrotman | !elks |
| 16:28.15 | dpkg | elks is, like, at http://elks.sourceforge.net |
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| 16:28.39 | plutonas | pipeline, is debian such an *big* applicatiuon? |
| 16:28.41 | nonix4 | pipeline: well my 386sx16 used to have 16 megabytes after every memory expansion slot was filled... |
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| 16:28.51 | valdyn | plutonas: its not an application |
| 16:28.51 | ecdemo | evidently it is |
| 16:29.00 | abrotman | most 386s don't have support for more than 16MB |
| 16:29.11 | valdyn | plutonas: but its the largest distro and the largest coherent software archive worldwide.. |
| 16:29.12 | plutonas | an OS ok that takes up so many from the computer |
| 16:29.13 | wols | plutonas: no it's not basic debian could run in 16MB fairly easily. but as soon as you add X for example... |
| 16:29.15 | pipeline | plutonas: heh, remember, 14 CDs is the size of the *compressed* binaries. |
| 16:29.18 | ecdemo | and you need twice that to -install- |
| 16:29.29 | pipeline | nonix4: And how many 16M 386 systems do you think there are out there? |
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| 16:29.39 | pipeline | nonix4: I've never seen an EISA 386 machine with more than 8M, actually. |
| 16:29.43 | plutonas | yes thats the size but dont run alla the binaries at once |
| 16:29.45 | pipeline | nonix4: And Debian already doesn't run on MCA 386 machines :P |
| 16:29.56 | pipeline | plutonas: You were talking about installing all the software r:p |
| 16:29.56 | ecdemo | pipeline: you mean including the ones that have been junked? :) |
| 16:30.05 | ateoh211 | I recieve an error from dpkg during a chroot install "dpkg: can't mmap info file /var/lib/cache/apt/available : Invalid option." does anyone know how to get around(i.e. fix this?) |
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| 16:30.17 | pipeline | plutonas: What I would do, if I were you, is get an external hard drive from somewhere and use the "apt-mirror" script. |
| 16:30.20 | wols | pipeline: my old no name ISA 386 mobo could hold 16MB with simms and sipps(16 pieces of it) |
| 16:30.24 | plutonas | pipeline, once again not installing just having it on cds |
| 16:30.25 | pipeline | plutonas: Much, much, much, much faster than downloading 14 cds and installing from them :P |
| 16:30.27 | wols | and it ran with them even. |
| 16:30.35 | pipeline | wols: Yeah, but where would you find that many SIMMs back in the day? :) |
| 16:30.36 | nonix4 | pipeline: well mine had it's power supply blow up or something like that, gave it away then... after taking some of the ram chips for the soundcard that is :-) |
| 16:30.51 | pipeline | wols: I guess if I wanted to dig up a 386, I could max it out on RAM using my bucket'o'simms, but shit. |
| 16:30.54 | valdyn | plutonas: most likely you will not require most of those 14 cds, maybe only the first 1-3 |
| 16:31.15 | wols | pipeline: you'd rob a bank an then buy all the memeory you'd ever wanted. also first 8 were simms, 2nd 8 were sipps (don't ask me why... eternal secret of taiwan) |
| 16:31.17 | plutonas | valdyn, yes, but why? Whats in the next 11 that I don't need? |
| 16:31.19 | nonix4 | pipeline: about 2/3 of the motherboard surface was ram :-) |
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| 16:31.33 | valdyn | plutonas: less popular software, its sorted by popularity |
| 16:31.35 | pipeline | plutonas: Look, go ahead and download all fourteen cds. That's a perfectly good idea. Just don't try to do it using cd.d.o -- too slow. Jigdo's a pain in the butt, but it's much, much, much, much faster. |
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| 16:31.53 | pipeline | wols: Because at one time, it was equally common to use SIMMs and SIPPs. |
| 16:32.03 | ecdemo | and has other advantages that were already discussed |
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| 16:32.07 | abrotman | !elks |
| 16:32.08 | dpkg | methinks elks is http://elks.sf.net/ and is the Embeddable Linux Kernel Subset, a project to build a small kernel subset of Linux (which will provide more or less UNIX V7 functionality within the kernel) that can run on machines with limited processor and memory resources. The initial proposed targets are the Intel 8086 and eventually the 286's 16-bit protected mode. |
| 16:32.09 | plutonas | I see ok... I'll try jigdo too |
| 16:32.09 | abrotman | yay! |
| 16:32.17 | pipeline | wols: The same reason that Taiwanese manufacturers made boards with both AT and ATX. And boards with both DDR and SDR slots. |
| 16:32.20 | valdyn | plutonas: debian does contain software that is probably only used by a handful of people worldwide, you might not need it.. |
| 16:32.22 | wols | in fact SIPPs were first IIRC. but I still don't understand why they mixed. and no you couldn't mix: first simm, then sipp |
| 16:32.27 | wols | no other way |
| 16:32.38 | pipeline | wols: Ok, that, indeed, is bizarre. |
| 16:32.43 | abrotman | this is where tarzeau's !popcon would actually be useful :) |
| 16:32.50 | pipeline | wols: You had to max out SIMMs and then add SIPPs after? :P |
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| 16:33.35 | nonix4 | wols: it was rather common that only one of the (logical) memory banks could be non-full |
| 16:33.44 | ecdemo | plutonas: one thing to note, it's not useful to have all packages on your machine at once... some of them conflict with each other |
| 16:34.00 | falkon | I have a weird problem. The only thing I have done is upgrade my packages and do an update-modules. Now, when I shutdown I get an error with something to the effect of * Unable to unmount root filesystem. This error does not show up in dmesg |
| 16:34.04 | ecdemo | but you'll have one hell of a library |
| 16:34.30 | plutonas | ecdemo, I sayd I want them on cd's and wheneaver I need one Install it from there. Not all at once |
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| 16:34.45 | pipeline | wols, nonix4 : If it makes you feel better, I've heard of way, way more fucked up memory architectures. For example, early 90s Sun systems allocated exactly 64M to each memory bank. Putting 128M into a bank just got you 64M of usable memory :P |
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| 16:35.04 | damog | abrotman: upload what? |
| 16:35.44 | wols | pipeline: so? PCs only refreshed 64MB of memory too, so the other 64 (with bigger chips) lay waste |
| 16:35.47 | ecdemo | plutonas: if you use jigdo, you will reduce the amount you have to download if the images change later (it will only download what's changed and rebuild the image) |
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| 16:36.02 | plutonas | ok |
| 16:36.08 | wols | or later, the chipsets only cachec XX memory with intel often doing it for strategic reasons to differentiate servers |
| 16:36.11 | wols | shit like that |
| 16:36.23 | ecdemo | that means the mirror admin won't be paying too much for you do do this download |
| 16:36.28 | nonix4 | pipeline: well, putting 128MB on most Pentium MBs <= 100MHz usually resulted in slower system than 64MB because the latter 64MB was uncached and the OS didn't have a concept of "Highmem" back then |
| 16:36.43 | ecdemo | I still say get them mailed to you |
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| 16:36.58 | Henk | If I do ' export HOME=/foo/bar ' and execute ssh foo@myhost.nl ssh does not look in /foo/bar/.ssh/id_dsa for the identity file. instead it keep looking in /root/.ssh (according to strace). Since i'm not calling ssh directly the -i option of ssh is out of the question. The docs of ssh says ssh should check $home/.ssh/id_dsa but for me this is not working. any ideas ? |
| 16:37.07 | plutonas | ecdemo not mailed |
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| 16:37.26 | plutonas | Thats a lot of time, you know post in greece.... |
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| 16:37.43 | falkon | I have a weird problem. The only thing I have done is upgrade my packages and do an update-modules. Now, when I shutdown I get an error with something to the effect of * Unable to unmount root filesystem. This error does not show up in dmesg, and fsck isn't run automatically again on boot |
| 16:38.29 | orco | thanks it works glx, don't know what i did wrong but 8th time was a charm |
| 16:38.33 | ecdemo | that does seem weird |
| 16:38.41 | orco | now on to sound ;) |
| 16:38.51 | DrNoboto | orco: what problem were you having with glx? |
| 16:39.19 | orco | none now but for some reason the nvidia one liner barfed |
| 16:40.10 | DrNoboto | one liner? |
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| 16:40.33 | cahoot | falkon: you can force an fsck with shutdown -rF |
| 16:40.37 | DarkWingZE | Hi |
| 16:40.38 | orco | dpkg nvidia oneliner |
| 16:40.45 | DrNoboto | ah |
| 16:40.50 | DarkWingZE | Does Debian take advantage of the full RAM memory? |
| 16:41.01 | orco | alsa conf doesnt find sound now |
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| 16:41.05 | cahoot | DarKnesS_WolF: the kernel does |
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| 16:41.15 | DarkWingZE | I just feel its running a bit slow from time to time |
| 16:41.23 | ecdemo | if the kernel does, then yes |
| 16:41.43 | falkon | cahoot: doesn't explain why suddenly it fails to unmount filesystems at shutdown |
| 16:41.54 | cahoot | falkon: true |
| 16:42.07 | GoAuLd | darkfires, did you improved with hdparm ? |
| 16:42.12 | DarkWingZE | I have 512 M RAM memory |
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| 16:42.23 | orco | anybody using p5n32-sli asus mobo/ |
| 16:42.31 | DarkWingZE | and XP 2200+ processor |
| 16:42.34 | GoAuLd | DarkWingZE, use hdparm |
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| 16:42.48 | DarkWingZE | what will it do GoAUld? |
| 16:42.51 | launch | Hi, i installed swf-player and i tried to view a flash animation with firefox, i heard the sound but the screen is black |
| 16:43.23 | GoAuLd | DarkWingZE, improve hd speed from 10% to even 100% if you had it misconfigured |
| 16:43.40 | DarkWingZE | U mean harddisk ? |
| 16:43.46 | GoAuLd | yes |
| 16:43.59 | wols | DarkWingZE: basically it enables busmaster dma if it's not already enabled |
| 16:44.00 | DarkWingZE | but what about missonfiguration of RAM memory usage |
| 16:44.16 | DarkWingZE | I read somewhere that it is set to some default value |
| 16:44.21 | cahoot | DarkWingZE: why do you suspect that? |
| 16:44.24 | DarkWingZE | maybe its swaping to my hd |
| 16:44.40 | GoAuLd | then just disable the damn swap |
| 16:44.43 | GoAuLd | i did it |
| 16:44.49 | DarkWingZE | ohhh |
| 16:44.54 | DarkWingZE | how does one do that? |
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| 16:45.00 | GoAuLd | swapoff |
| 16:45.06 | orco | i do believe swf player is not the correct plugin for firefox/mozilla |
| 16:45.07 | DarkWingZE | any will debian be as smart to start using RAM instead? |
| 16:45.17 | GoAuLd | or editing /etc/fstab comenting the line |
| 16:45.22 | cahoot | DarkWingZE: don't start messing |
| 16:45.37 | DarkWingZE | huh? |
| 16:45.52 | wols | DarkWingZE: you won't make it "faster" with your messing. trust us |
| 16:45.57 | launch | orco do you know the right one for firefox, i tried apt-cache search flash |
| 16:46.00 | DarkWingZE | messing? |
| 16:46.07 | azeem | GoAuLd: please don't suggest people switch off swap |
| 16:46.39 | DarkWingZE | azeem: why isnt that a good idea? |
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| 16:46.49 | DarkWingZE | I have plenty of RAM |
| 16:46.58 | azeem | so swap won't be used |
| 16:47.12 | azeem | unless you need ti |
| 16:47.13 | azeem | it |
| 16:47.17 | DarkWingZE | I rather it using RAM then swap, since my hd sucks |
| 16:47.23 | cahoot | DarkWingZE: don't happen to run a selfcompiled kernel? |
| 16:47.30 | DarkWingZE | nopes |
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| 16:47.47 | DarkWingZE | I mena waiting 2 minutes for totem to startup |
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| 16:48.03 | DarkWingZE | and 40 seconds for mozilla |
| 16:48.07 | azeem | what CPU do you have? |
| 16:48.09 | DarkWingZE | then theres gotta be something wrong |
| 16:48.13 | azeem | maybe you should use smaller apps |
| 16:48.14 | DarkWingZE | XP 2200+ |
| 16:48.20 | GoAuLd | the u have to enable DMA! |
| 16:48.23 | DarkWingZE | RAM 512 M |
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| 16:48.31 | DarkWingZE | how do I do that |
| 16:48.32 | Kulrak | turning off your swap is probably not going to help there |
| 16:48.33 | DarkWingZE | hdparam |
| 16:48.33 | azeem | is the harddisk working all the time? |
| 16:48.41 | Kulrak | if swap speed is a problem, you need more memory |
| 16:48.43 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:48.49 | ecdemo | does it spin down periodically? |
| 16:48.54 | DarkWingZE | not what I know of |
| 16:48.55 | orco | lspci -v | grep audio saeyth: 0000:00:0d.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation CK804 AC'97 Audio C ontroller (rev a2) |
| 16:49.05 | DarkWingZE | I dont keep an eye on the hd all the time |
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| 16:49.17 | treyh0 | i wonder if there's a linux distro that ships with the ability to suspend to disk using suspend2 or something reliable by default instead of having to compile a kernel |
| 16:49.34 | wols | DarkWingZE: dmesg |grep BM-DMA |
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| 16:50.03 | wols | orco: alsa-project.org, look for AC97 codec. that's the driver (and a mini howto) |
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| 16:51.06 | orco | k |
| 16:51.22 | DarkWingZE | ide0: BM-DMA at 0xfc00-0xfc07, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:pio |
| 16:51.22 | DarkWingZE | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:51.25 | jnco | hello my friends! |
| 16:51.48 | DarkWingZE | wols: did u see the output? |
| 16:51.53 | wols | yes |
| 16:51.53 | SimonRaven | !tell root -about root |
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| 16:52.04 | DarkWingZE | and? |
| 16:52.10 | wols | busmaster DM is enabled then it seems. tho I dunno why you have hdd and not hdc used |
| 16:52.17 | orco | wouldn't alsaconf do it |
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| 16:52.23 | sonyman | SimonRaven: what did that tell him? |
| 16:52.25 | benbread | I have a rather strange problem here, a config script errors "C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check", but i have gcc, libstdc++5, libg++ and every other c++ compiler package i can think of but to no avail - does anyone have any ideas? thanks :) |
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| 16:52.35 | wols | sonyman: ask dpkg yourself |
| 16:52.37 | valdyn | !b-e benbread |
| 16:52.38 | dpkg | benbread: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
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| 16:52.42 | DarkWingZE | I am actually running on a partition disk |
| 16:52.50 | SimonRaven | sonyman: /msg dpkg root |
| 16:53.03 | DarkWingZE | it split up between a linux partition and NTFS partition |
| 16:53.12 | wols | DarkWingZE: one always does. harddisk without partitions are really bad to install stuff on |
| 16:53.13 | DarkWingZE | running XP as well |
| 16:53.21 | wols | doesn't matter |
| 16:53.32 | cahoot | DarkWingZE: debian not on hdb? seems to be in pio mode |
| 16:53.36 | sonyman | oh thats all it said. meh. should be common knowledge |
| 16:53.49 | orco | perhaps stable debian doesn't suport nvidia ac97? |
| 16:53.59 | wols | orco: it does |
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| 16:54.01 | DarkWingZE | I only have one HD |
| 16:54.18 | wols | orco: unless it's that new high definition audio, but that wouldn't be AC97 |
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| 16:54.26 | benbread | valdyn: You're an absolute legend! Thanks :) |
| 16:54.27 | ecdemo | he can always rebuild if that's the case... but there should be enough alsa modules to do it |
| 16:54.42 | GoAuLd | DarkWingZE, http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Use_hdparm_to_improve_IDE_device_performance |
| 16:54.49 | GoAuLd | a very good tutorial |
| 16:54.55 | GoAuLd | for your hard disk |
| 16:54.56 | wols | orco: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/index.php?vendor=vendor-Nvidia#matrix |
| 16:55.01 | DarkWingZE | what does PIO mean? |
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| 16:55.12 | DarkWingZE | I am not running gento I am running debian |
| 16:55.20 | GoAuLd | it works |
| 16:55.22 | pipeline | DarkWingZE: "Programmed I/O" -- puts the processor into a tight loop manually copying data from a device to memory. |
| 16:55.23 | ecdemo | Parallel Input/Output |
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| 16:55.29 | wols | programmed (or port?) I/O |
| 16:55.32 | sonyman | DarkWingZE: PIO=slower than mollasses mode |
| 16:55.33 | DarkWingZE | and is that bad? |
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| 16:55.36 | pipeline | DarkWingZE: Very. |
| 16:55.39 | wols | ecdemo: that it doesn't |
| 16:55.41 | ecdemo | oh, programmed? |
| 16:55.46 | DarkWingZE | so how do I change that? |
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| 16:55.53 | sonyman | hdparm |
| 16:55.54 | pipeline | DarkWingZE: Buy non-buggy hardware :( |
| 16:55.55 | wols | DarkWingZE: it would be if you had any hdds connected there yes |
| 16:55.57 | valdyn | pio isnt really _that_ slow necessarily |
| 16:56.00 | GoAuLd | DarkWingZE, the tutorial works in any Distro because it only uses hdparm |
| 16:56.03 | valdyn | just eats all you cpu |
| 16:56.05 | ecdemo | your processor should be plenty fast enough |
| 16:56.06 | sonyman | valdyn: don't kid yourself |
| 16:56.12 | pipeline | valdyn: well, PIO has pretty good throughput, it just makes the system grind to a halt :) |
| 16:56.18 | DarkWingZE | I dont have hdparm installed even |
| 16:56.20 | valdyn | pipeline: yep |
| 16:56.24 | sonyman | valdyn: its slow because it eats all the cpu...thus leaving little for other processes |
| 16:56.31 | wols | valdyn: it is compared to BM-DMA. and it eats CPU like no tomorrow. typically you get around 2-3MB/s then instead of 20-30 |
| 16:56.34 | ecdemo | so... install it ;) |
| 16:56.40 | SimonRaven | DarkWingZE: so? it's documentation |
| 16:56.40 | SimonRaven | profgrammed |
| 16:56.43 | orco | so if i'm not seeing nvidia ac97 in that sit ?? |
| 16:56.45 | pipeline | DarkWingZE: basically, if DMA is a good idea on your hardware, DMA will be enabled by default. If the kernel is running in PIO mode, there's a reason for it, and it's not a good thing :( |
| 16:56.55 | SimonRaven | ffs i'm getting really tired of this shit |
| 16:56.58 | wols | orco: I gave you a link |
| 16:57.03 | DarkWingZE | hmmm |
| 16:57.04 | wols | orco: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/index.php?vendor=vendor-Nvidia#matrix |
| 16:57.27 | valdyn | !hdparm |
| 16:57.28 | dpkg | hdparm is, like, the HD tuning tool. If your IDE drive seems sluggish, you should experiment with hdparm with the following options: unmasked irq (on), I/O support (3, 32bit w/sync), and multcount (16) and using dma (on), or read http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2000/06/29/hdparm.html, or apt-get install hdparm and RTFM :) |
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| 16:57.46 | DarkWingZE | hdb is refering to a second hd device I only have one |
| 16:57.47 | pipeline | sonyman: Actually, the earliest PC hard drive setups used DMA for everything. |
| 16:57.48 | DarkWingZE | doesnt make sense |
| 16:57.57 | pipeline | sonyman: The reason that PIO became the standard for PC-AT was that it was way, way, way faster than DMA by the device. |
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| 16:58.04 | ecdemo | maybe your cdrom is on hdb |
| 16:58.08 | pipeline | DarkWingZE: Sounds like you fucked up your cabling. |
| 16:58.19 | sonyman | pipeline: good tidbits |
| 16:58.22 | DarkWingZE | yes |
| 16:58.28 | DarkWingZE | most likely it must be |
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| 16:58.44 | pipeline | sonyman: on a singletasking computer, there was no darn reason not to use PIO :P |
| 16:58.49 | valdyn | dpkg, hdparm =~ s/tool./ tool. It's also very dangerouns, don't blame us if it makes you lose data./ |
| 16:58.50 | dpkg | OK, valdyn |
| 16:58.59 | elfriede | Hello. What is the tool to configure the user set gtk engine (font, theme, etc) ? |
| 16:58.59 | sonyman | pipeline: been a long time since those days though hehe |
| 16:59.00 | DarkWingZE | pipeline: what does that suppose to mean |
| 16:59.04 | ecdemo | if your cdrom is on hdb, that could explain why your hd is slow (on one cable, controller negotiates with each device, sets slower of the two) |
| 16:59.05 | valdyn | dpkg, hdparm =~ s/dangerouns/dangerous/ |
| 16:59.05 | dpkg | OK, valdyn |
| 16:59.15 | pipeline | DarkWingZE: Heh, when possible, you're not supposed to put two devices on one cable. |
| 16:59.25 | pipeline | DarkWingZE: And you should never, ever, ever, ever, ever put an HD and a CD-ROM on the same cable. |
| 16:59.30 | orco | i read the site, i'm sorry but please tell me the next step, i'm reading a howto on soundcore? |
| 16:59.35 | jnco | hello friends, so.. xdm starts kde and kde gets to peripherals and then crashes, anyone know where i can check the error log for kde.. wheres its located |
| 16:59.36 | sonyman | one calble=shared bandwith=slow |
| 16:59.37 | wols | DarkWingZE: how many optical drives do you have? |
| 16:59.44 | GoAuLd | hdparm its not dangerous if you only use the most common params |
| 16:59.45 | pipeline | sonyman: Heh, it's a lot worse than that, actually. |
| 16:59.45 | DarkWingZE | one |
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| 16:59.54 | ecdemo | next is to read the next word :) |
| 16:59.55 | pipeline | sonyman: SCSI works that way -- devices on the same cable share the bandwidth. |
| 17:00.00 | wimpies | I need to merge multipart messages from a news server ... which cmd line tool could I use ? |
| 17:00.08 | wols | DarkWingZE: then don't worry. your harddisk is hda and your optical drive is hdd |
| 17:00.08 | pipeline | sonyman: with IDE, two devices on the same cable uh, fight to the death for bandwidth. |
| 17:00.14 | wols | so they're on different controllers |
| 17:00.15 | sonyman | lol |
| 17:00.21 | GoAuLd | DarkWingZE, quick ! give your HD the speed it deserves! |
| 17:00.32 | jnco | 7200rpm for the win! |
| 17:00.38 | pipeline | DarkWingZE, sonyman: You do NOT want two devices on the same IDE channel if you can avoid it. It totally fucks up performance for both devices :P |
| 17:00.38 | DarkWingZE | hmm |
| 17:00.41 | sonyman | pipeline: I guess its a good thing that ide has reached its EOL then. SATA has triumphed! |
| 17:00.57 | DarkWingZE | you are giving me a mixed message |
| 17:00.59 | pipeline | sonyman: SATA hasn't really triumphed. |
| 17:01.01 | jnco | SATA FOR THE WIN! |
| 17:01.09 | DarkWingZE | how do I verify that hdb is cd room? |
| 17:01.14 | pipeline | sonyman: SATA is still usually implemented with a regular IDE interface and a bridge chip. |
| 17:01.16 | wols | DarkWingZE: cause troubleshooting via IRC is a hard thing to do |
| 17:01.17 | ecdemo | sata is ide, just different cable |
| 17:01.18 | pipeline | sonyman: Servers are still sold with SCSI and FC. |
| 17:01.21 | valdyn | DarkWingZE: cd /proc/ide and look |
| 17:01.25 | wols | DarkWingZE: look how you mount your cd |
| 17:01.29 | sonyman | pipeline: not in the newest SATA hardware with NCQ. |
| 17:01.35 | elfriede | Is there a tool/package that will allow me to configure all GTK2-based applications fonts? Like Firefox and Thunderbird menu fonts? |
| 17:01.37 | pipeline | sonyman: Yeah, well, there's not much o that. |
| 17:01.51 | pipeline | elfriede: Firefox and thunderbird aren't *really* GTK2 applications, which is why they look screwy to begin with. |
| 17:01.51 | GoAuLd | stop speaking like a fan, Just do it |
| 17:01.53 | sonyman | pipeline: SATA has replaced SCSI in low-end servers. I'd say that means its triumphed pretty well. |
| 17:01.56 | ecdemo | I heard sata NCQ still can't beat scsi |
| 17:01.56 | wols | pipeline: but there will be lots more in the future |
| 17:01.58 | pipeline | elfriede: There's nothing you can do to fix Firefox and thunderbird. |
| 17:02.00 | pipeline | sonyman: Oh, balderdash. |
| 17:02.05 | valdyn | elfriede: if you run gnome, gnomes font setup tool does that |
| 17:02.06 | DarkWingZE | debian:/home/alex# cd /proc/ide |
| 17:02.06 | DarkWingZE | debian:/proc/ide# ls |
| 17:02.07 | DarkWingZE | drivers hda hdd ide0 ide1 via |
| 17:02.07 | DarkWingZE | debian:/proc/ide# |
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| 17:02.15 | jnco | whats the command to stop xdm from running =) |
| 17:02.20 | sonyman | pipeline: keyword low-end. Its cheaper and decently quick. |
| 17:02.21 | pipeline | jnco: /etc/init.d/xdm stop |
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| 17:02.31 | pipeline | sonyman: ATA replaced SCSI in "low-end" servers a long time ago. |
| 17:02.33 | DarkWingZE | didnt know that would cause a flood |
| 17:02.36 | elfriede | valdyn: no, I don't want/need gnome, just thunderbird and firefox. |
| 17:02.37 | wols | ecdemo: NCQ is what scsi could do in the days of fast-scsi basically. and: scsi disks are 10-15k rpm. beat that 7200 drives... |
| 17:02.42 | DarkWingZE | anyhow that wat it looks like |
| 17:02.46 | GoAuLd | darkwingze less talking more action! |
| 17:02.47 | valdyn | elfriede: there's no tool then |
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| 17:02.59 | valdyn | elfriede: ( except your favourite text editor.. ) |
| 17:02.59 | DarkWingZE | so wat does that mean? |
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| 17:03.02 | elfriede | pipeline: so you're saying it's impossible to change what fonts are used for Firefox and THunderbird? |
| 17:03.05 | sonyman | pipeline: if its ATA then it must be bottom of the barrel. I'm referring to a step above that. |
| 17:03.05 | wols | DarkWingZE: your pasting in here did |
| 17:03.09 | jnco | i do startx it says server is already running |
| 17:03.18 | cahoot | elfriede: isn't that what ~/.gtkrc-2.0 is for? |
| 17:03.20 | jnco | how can i troubleshoot kde, know where the log is? |
| 17:03.23 | elfriede | valdyn: I remember there used to be some gtkrc generator. |
| 17:03.25 | DarkWingZE | debian:/home/alex# cd /proc/ide |
| 17:03.27 | pipeline | elfriede: No, I'm saying you have to dick around with firefox and thunderbird's internal configurations, because they're disgusting, fucked up applications that ignore the normal ways of handling that kind of stuff. |
| 17:03.35 | jpablo | hey people, my evolution is not working in sid (ppc) and galeon is very unstable. i blame it to a glib update (maybe glibc) anyone got an idea what might be going on? |
| 17:03.36 | ecdemo | is there a benchmark that tests against scsi? also remember, scsi doesn't slow processes down, ide (in all forms) does |
| 17:03.39 | DarkWingZE | drivers hda hdd ide0 ide1 via |
| 17:03.42 | pipeline | elfriede: Firefox and Thunderbird basically have their own toolkit, and they try really hard to *resemble* GTK2. They're not really GTK :\ |
| 17:03.43 | valdyn | elfriede: there is, it sucks too, it does not work for all gtk2 applications either |
| 17:03.45 | elfriede | cahoot: exactly. I'm looking for a configuration program that generates that file based on gui selections. |
| 17:03.47 | T | Hello. |
| 17:03.53 | sonyman | pipeline: dillo & lynx ftw. |
| 17:03.57 | cahoot | elfriede: yeah - sorry |
| 17:03.57 | pipeline | elfriede: Just use the gnome theme manager. |
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| 17:04.01 | DarkWingZE | what does that mean= |
| 17:04.03 | pipeline | sonyman: dillo and lynx both suck ass. |
| 17:04.05 | nic | hi |
| 17:04.07 | T | Does anyone here speak Portuguese(BR)? |
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| 17:04.09 | sonyman | pipeline: :( |
| 17:04.10 | wols | ecdemo: how? I mean scsi uses busmaster, ide now uses busmaster. how does it slow it down? |
| 17:04.16 | paulsen | Why does debian use so long time to fail a user attempt? One example is doing su and typing the wrong password.. it sits for 5 seconds before it says 'Sorry'.. this behaviour doesnt exist on BSD (it immediatly returns a fail) |
| 17:04.17 | DarkWingZE | shouldnt it say ide0 and ide1 |
| 17:04.18 | pipeline | sonyman: w3m is far nicer than lynx. |
| 17:04.23 | DarkWingZE | in that directory? |
| 17:04.28 | elfriede | pipeline: doh! lots of extra stuff just to change fonts. I don't use gnome anywhere else. |
| 17:04.28 | sonyman | pipeline: never tried it. |
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| 17:04.39 | wols | paulsen: cause it's a tarpit for bruteforcers |
| 17:04.39 | valdyn | paulsen: to avoid people bruteforcing their way in |
| 17:04.42 | MrNobody | hi everyone is this the right place to request a bit of help about knoppix? |
| 17:04.43 | DarkWingZE | never mind it does |
| 17:04.45 | nic | how to load via network card during installation????? |
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| 17:04.53 | ecdemo | uses cpu, blocking processes, when accessing disk. |
| 17:05.01 | wols | MrNobody: not the right place sorry |
| 17:05.01 | pipeline | elfriede: Look, if you use GTK applications, gnome is just the path of least resistance. It's not like anyone is lacking for disk space. |
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| 17:05.09 | wols | MrNobody: try a knoppix channel |
| 17:05.15 | DarkWingZE | i have ide0 the hda |
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| 17:05.22 | T | Can anyone help me? |
| 17:05.23 | paulsen | vols/valdyn: ok. Thanks. Is there any way to disable the behaviour? |
| 17:05.24 | DarkWingZE | and I have hdd on ide1 |
| 17:05.28 | pipeline | DarkWingZE: Looks like you have two IDE channels, but both your drives are on one channel. |
| 17:05.32 | MrNobody | ok thanks :) |
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| 17:05.37 | DarkWingZE | hmm |
| 17:05.46 | wols | DarkWingZE: of course you do. I told you that hda is disk and hdd is DC |
| 17:05.48 | wols | *CD |
| 17:05.55 | DarkWingZE | I know |
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| 17:06.04 | wols | pipeline: hda and hdd are not on the same channel... |
| 17:06.08 | elfriede | pipeline: well, appearantly, running gnome won't help me here anyways. |
| 17:06.10 | DarkWingZE | but under the directory ide0 it says hda |
| 17:06.17 | DarkWingZE | and under directory ide1 hdd |
| 17:06.21 | pipeline | elfriede: Nope. Firefox and thunderbird are just screwed up. |
| 17:06.24 | DarkWingZE | wouldnt that mean that I have them seperate |
| 17:06.31 | wols | DarkWingZE: you do |
| 17:06.45 | pipeline | elfriede: I finally gave up and switched to evolution because I got tired of waiting a half hour for thunderbird to check my mail. |
| 17:06.45 | sonyman | pipeline: whats funny is that firefox is supposed to be lightweight when in truth its a pig. |
| 17:06.52 | ecdemo | so we still don't knwo why such a hot machine is so slow during accesses |
| 17:06.56 | pipeline | sonyman: Whoops. |
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| 17:07.14 | ecdemo | hmm, what about temperature? |
| 17:07.16 | wols | pipeline: works fast here (imap) |
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| 17:07.51 | DarkWingZE | I just open up my box, and they are connected seperately |
| 17:07.58 | elfriede | pipeline: according to their own manuals they should yield to the gtkrc. |
| 17:08.10 | pipeline | elfriede: Yeah, well. Mozilla has very hopeful documentation. |
| 17:08.22 | DarkWingZE | on sperate ide |
| 17:08.28 | DarkWingZE | they dont share |
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| 17:09.05 | ecdemo | DarkWingZE: what is the temperature of the cpu? of the motherboard? |
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| 17:09.17 | DarkWingZE | Gould: could you paste me that link again |
| 17:09.32 | DarkWingZE | I dont know how to check that |
| 17:09.32 | kurumin | opa |
| 17:09.34 | elfriede | pipeline: hm. looks like it checks for gnome default font to use as menu font. |
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| 17:09.49 | GoAuLd | DarkWingZE, you should have it running faster Long time ago!! |
| 17:09.54 | DarkWingZE | windows xp runs faster |
| 17:10.00 | GoAuLd | http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Use_hdparm_to_improve_IDE_device_performance |
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| 17:10.09 | osiris_ | is it possible to get xgl running smoothly under debian/etch at the time? |
| 17:10.24 | kupo | can anyone clue me in why apt-spy is erroring out ? |
| 17:10.24 | GoAuLd | i mean 20 minutes ago when i told u the link |
| 17:10.28 | kupo | " Error: The requested URL returned error: 404" |
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| 17:10.53 | ecdemo | kupo: page not found? forbidden? |
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| 17:11.15 | kupo | ecdemo: "Error: RETR response: 550" |
| 17:11.25 | kupo | over and over from each mirror |
| 17:11.30 | kupo | cept for like 1 or 2 |
| 17:12.02 | wols | DarkWingZE: have you started benchmarking the drive with hdparm yet? I'd do that before messing with hdparm "optimizations" |
| 17:12.14 | DarkWingZE | dont know how to do that |
| 17:12.19 | kupo | also ecdemo " Error: couldn't connect to host" |
| 17:12.30 | elfriede | pipeline: hey, I found it. Firefox checks the Gnome config, change in control center and firefox will change too. |
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| 17:12.52 | elfriede | pipeline: changing the "application font" |
| 17:13.02 | GoAuLd | DarkWingZE, follow the READ the LInk i told u |
| 17:13.06 | ecdemo | kupo: maybe it has an old mirror list |
| 17:13.06 | DarkWingZE | I am reading the link u gave |
| 17:13.09 | GoAuLd | follow it step by step |
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| 17:13.19 | GoAuLd | its as easy as make coffe |
| 17:13.27 | kupo | ecdemo: shouldnt running apt-spy update grab the newest mirror list? |
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| 17:13.56 | ecdemo | maybe, but what if the one it grabs is old? |
| 17:13.57 | kupo | ecdemo: if not I guess I can for it to look somewhere else, how/where should i have it look? |
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| 17:14.10 | ecdemo | why not pick a mirror yourself |
| 17:14.11 | kupo | no its a good point ecdemo thats prolly the problem |
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| 17:14.44 | kupo | will try brb |
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| 17:15.04 | ecdemo | pick 3 or 4 phyisically close to you, then pick one that's faster |
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| 17:16.25 | kupo | ecdemo: you mean each mirror has a list of other mirros? |
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| 17:16.36 | ecdemo | how do I empty a maildir folder without destroying the folder itself? |
| 17:16.58 | ecdemo | there should be a list at www.debian.org |
| 17:17.05 | kupo | ok |
| 17:17.09 | cobratbq | sorry for barging in like this, but i've got kind of a problem with booting after installing a new kernel :( |
| 17:17.14 | ecdemo | and each mirror might have a mirror list, yes |
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| 17:17.42 | ecdemo | cobratbq: try booting the old kernel |
| 17:17.56 | cobratbq | that's the problem... i want to (very much actually) but I don't know how |
| 17:18.10 | cobratbq | lilo automatically takes the default kernel |
| 17:18.23 | cobratbq | THe old kernel is still fully installed as far as i know |
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| 17:18.56 | cobratbq | the problem is that i've got *all* LVM partitions and during the boot-process linux is looking to the wrong root-harddisk-device |
| 17:18.57 | ecdemo | cobratbq: you might want to switch to grub after this... it lists all your installed kernels and gives two links for each (one for booting single-user) |
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| 17:19.10 | SilverMoonDragon | hi |
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| 17:19.43 | cobratbq | he's looking for /dev/root but my root partition is in /dev/mapper/PrimaryVG-root |
| 17:20.01 | kupo | hey ecdemo sorry to ask this but am I doing ' apt-spy -u http://www.debian.org/mirror/list-full#US' ? cuz It's not working |
| 17:20.11 | wols | give your kernel a parameter then |
| 17:20.14 | snail | cobratbq: sounds like a case for knoppix |
| 17:20.18 | crazy_penguin | is there a program under debian which i could use to start, stop different init services in different runlevels. i use debian sarge. |
| 17:20.27 | cobratbq | I've already got Debian in rescue-mode :p |
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| 17:20.38 | wols | cobratbq: ksysvinit a kde program for example |
| 17:21.00 | crazy_penguin | other than that |
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| 17:21.01 | cobratbq | could you tell me what boot-parameter and how to insert it in lilo (before it boots) |
| 17:21.02 | cobratbq | ? |
| 17:21.07 | jnco | kernals are wack! |
| 17:21.14 | wols | root=/path |
| 17:21.20 | zumbi | !kernals |
| 17:21.25 | zumbi | !kernal |
| 17:21.26 | dpkg | *KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL* |
| 17:21.29 | wols | that's the parameter. lilo should have a line with "append" I think |
| 17:21.32 | jnco | i made you out of clay |
| 17:21.37 | jnco | !kerna; |
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| 17:21.39 | jnco | !kernal |
| 17:21.39 | dpkg | *KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL* |
| 17:21.47 | jnco | you know that you are lame. |
| 17:21.47 | ecdemo | jnco: won't survive in linux long withot them :) |
| 17:21.48 | cobratbq | wols: tnx, gonna try it |
| 17:21.57 | jnco | yo i once had a kernal but i ate it |
| 17:21.59 | wols | jnco: you are lamer. stop it! |
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| 17:22.23 | ecdemo | the kernel is only as lame as its builder |
| 17:22.26 | jnco | look at this quake airshot webpage i made debian users |
| 17:22.26 | nn-_ | wols: the bot is lame as well :P |
| 17:22.29 | jnco | http://www.breadboy.net/tony/legolas/wings.html |
| 17:22.38 | daeos | wols: have you setup phpmyadmin with apache2 and created a user folder? im trying to figure out how to make one but its a lot different in linux apache2 vs. winblows apache2 |
| 17:22.39 | wols | !badgersmite nn-_ |
| 17:22.47 | cobratbq | how can i stop lilo from continuing to boot? |
| 17:22.48 | jnco | so true ecdemo |
| 17:23.03 | kupo | hey is testing == etch or unstable == etch? |
| 17:23.10 | sonyman | testing |
| 17:23.11 | wols | daeos: I linked my /usr/share/phpmyadmin/ directory with a symlink to /var/www/phpmadirectory |
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| 17:23.15 | sonyman | unstable=sid |
| 17:23.15 | kupo | danka |
| 17:23.17 | cureless | unstable == sid |
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| 17:23.23 | cureless | all the time |
| 17:23.28 | wols | kupo: sid is allways unstable |
| 17:23.31 | zumbi | !nickmeter jnco |
| 17:23.31 | dpkg | jnco is 100% lame with a cherry on top! |
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| 17:23.46 | wols | jnco: gz to a perfect score |
| 17:23.47 | daeos | wols: never did a symlink before, how do you do that? |
| 17:23.52 | wols | man ln |
| 17:23.56 | wols | "ln -s" basically |
| 17:24.00 | ecdemo | jnco: therefore you can build your own if you want, and optionally get it packaged into a .deb you can install at will |
| 17:24.04 | cureless | daeos: ln (-s for symbolic) |
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| 17:24.21 | daeos | ..... |
| 17:24.25 | cobratbq | To be more precise: booting stops after loading the device-mapper, than an ALERT! /dev/root does not exist. and after that I get busybox |
| 17:24.48 | ecdemo | so.... you tried to put your / in lvm |
| 17:24.50 | eggzeck | lol @jnco's page |
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| 17:25.02 | daeos | so... 'ls -s /usr/share/phpmyadmin /var/www/phpdir |
| 17:25.15 | cobratbq | yep, and it worked at once in the installation |
| 17:25.31 | nn-_ | jnco: what q. client are you using? |
| 17:25.37 | kupo | hey ecdemo I'm not really sure how to pass apt-spy the mirror url or if I'm passing the right url |
| 17:25.52 | daeos | cureless: 'ls -s /usr/share/phpmyadmin /var/www/phpdir' ? |
| 17:25.53 | ecdemo | is it dropping you to a shell? |
| 17:25.54 | Aronofsky | hi , i got little problem , i try to use emule with wine, it works but it only connects in lowid wheras the ports are open and works on windows , any idea where it could come from ? |
| 17:26.03 | kupo | i keep using -m or -u with 'http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt' but it doesnt like that |
| 17:26.32 | ecdemo | wait, so it's trying to load device-mapper and having problems doing so |
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| 17:26.42 | ecdemo | what problem?" |
| 17:26.43 | cobratbq | well... I'm trying to figure that out |
| 17:27.03 | cobratbq | I know that he's looking at the wrong place |
| 17:27.07 | cobratbq | because he looks at /dev/root |
| 17:27.09 | cureless | daeos: I don't know what you're doing, so maybe that's right. (after you change ls to ln) |
| 17:27.15 | cobratbq | and it's not yet linked to /dev/root |
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| 17:27.32 | daeos | cureless: 'ln -s /usr/share/phpmyadmin /var/www/phpdir' is that correct to make a symlink? |
| 17:27.42 | cobratbq | but now i booted with "root=/dev/mapper/PrimaryVG-root" and now in some magical way he isn't able to find PrimaryVG |
| 17:27.43 | daeos | lol |
| 17:27.44 | ecdemo | cobratbq: ohh, you have to vgchange -a |
| 17:27.44 | daeos | sorry |
| 17:27.53 | daeos | habit |
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| 17:28.02 | cobratbq | vgchange -a? |
| 17:28.23 | ecdemo | before you can access volume groups you must activate them |
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| 17:28.51 | ecdemo | and I don't know how to activate them before a kernel is available |
| 17:28.56 | jengelh | uh |
| 17:28.57 | cobratbq | any way to boot from other kernel from lilo? |
| 17:29.00 | jengelh | you activate them within initrd |
| 17:29.01 | ecdemo | so... make a partition for root :) |
| 17:29.03 | cobratbq | like a command? |
| 17:29.31 | ecdemo | well, you can do that in grub; it has a command line shell you can use before even the kernel boots |
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| 17:29.41 | cureless | cobratbq: yes if you set it up |
| 17:29.53 | daeos | wols: wouldn't let me make a hardlink |
| 17:30.02 | ecdemo | can you reinstall and put your / as a regular non-lvm partition? |
| 17:30.06 | cureless | daeos: hardlinks only work for files on the same partition |
| 17:30.20 | cobratbq | well... I hoped it wouldn't have to come to reinstalling :-s |
| 17:30.20 | daeos | curless: only 1 partition ^_^ |
| 17:30.37 | ecdemo | cobratbq how long ago did you install |
| 17:30.39 | cobratbq | I'm kind of in the middle of something for school :( |
| 17:30.42 | cobratbq | uh... |
| 17:30.44 | daeos | well 2, 1 for data 1 for swap |
| 17:30.52 | cobratbq | couple of months |
| 17:30.59 | ecdemo | and it's been working? |
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| 17:31.13 | cobratbq | yep without a problem |
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| 17:31.26 | cobratbq | it's only because of the new kernel installation that it won't boot anymore |
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| 17:32.10 | daeos | ok worked, looks like i hit = not - |
| 17:32.16 | ecdemo | ok, what you have to do is rescue it, alter the lilo config so you can boot from either, then boot the system |
| 17:32.17 | cureless | daeos: are you linking a file or directory? Just stick to sym links for now. |
| 17:32.27 | ecdemo | oh, and run lilo |
| 17:32.28 | daeos | dir |
| 17:32.32 | daeos | it worked |
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| 17:33.12 | daeos | looks messy though... lol |
| 17:33.15 | cobratbq | any howto on how to edit lilo correctly, I'm more familiar with grub, but I couldn't choose grub during installation |
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| 17:33.31 | jengelh | then install grub now ;) |
| 17:33.39 | ecdemo | is there any way in bash to do something like a for i in ... but take the i values 100 at a time? |
| 17:34.00 | daeos | cureless: how do you 'undo' symbolic links? |
| 17:34.13 | ecdemo | man rm |
| 17:34.16 | cureless | daeos: you remove them. |
| 17:34.17 | ecdemo | :) |
| 17:34.19 | elijah | why do ppl love debian so much? its so outdated! |
| 17:34.26 | cureless | daeos: but make sure you remove the link and NOT the file. |
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| 17:34.34 | ecdemo | elijah: stability |
| 17:34.37 | daeos | cureless: thats what i want to do |
| 17:34.51 | cureless | well, just delete them (rm) |
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| 17:35.07 | cobratbq | my boot-partition is inside the LVM too, does that complicate things for Grub? |
| 17:35.21 | ecdemo | it might |
| 17:35.31 | ecdemo | but I don't personally know how |
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| 17:35.40 | cobratbq | so it should be safer to try to boot via lilo |
| 17:35.46 | ecdemo | yes |
| 17:35.51 | stefan_ro_bv | helo |
| 17:35.52 | Stevie-O | 250 Stevie-O |
| 17:35.55 | Kernel-Kris | how can i bring up an interface in promisq. mode? |
| 17:35.58 | tarzeau | abrotman: know www.fuckingmachines.com |
| 17:36.15 | resiak | tarzeau: You mean dildos? |
| 17:36.18 | ecdemo | ok, what you have to do is rescue it, alter the lilo config so you can boot from either, run lilo, then boot the system |
| 17:36.20 | resiak | !screw tarzeau |
| 17:36.21 | wols | Kernel-Kris: run tcpdump as root |
| 17:36.24 | resiak | :'-( |
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| 17:36.44 | tarzeau | resiak: no just machines like on above url (not work safe) |
| 17:36.45 | kupo | ecdemo: I've tried several mirrors now and that doesnt seem to be it |
| 17:36.57 | tarzeau | resiak: i'm building my own :) |
| 17:37.00 | daeos | cureless: .... how do i know which is the link and which is the folder? |
| 17:37.03 | resiak | tarzeau: yeah, because fuckingmachines are clearly SFW ;) |
| 17:37.05 | ecdemo | kupo: where are you located? |
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| 17:37.05 | cureless | Kernel-Kris: why do you need to bring it up in promiscuos mode? |
| 17:37.12 | tarzeau | resiak: SFW? |
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| 17:37.18 | Kernel-Kris | cureless: snort |
| 17:37.21 | resiak | safe for work |
| 17:37.34 | kupo | ecdemo: NY |
| 17:37.34 | cureless | daeos: size, link (shows in ls), etc. |
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| 17:37.51 | Kernel-Kris | im trying to start snort and it wont becuase it says the interface is down....so it was my guess to bring it up in promis. mode |
| 17:37.56 | ecdemo | one sec |
| 17:37.58 | tarzeau | resiak: gee, it's not for at work |
| 17:37.59 | cureless | Kernel-Kris: snort puts it in promiscuous (sp?) mode by default, no? |
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| 17:38.01 | cobratbq | hmmm... lilo fails... |
| 17:38.07 | daeos | cureless: would that be aqua color? |
| 17:38.15 | Kernel-Kris | cureless: when i try to start it if fails saying the interface is down |
| 17:38.19 | resiak | tarzeau: That's what I'm saying... "fuckingmachines" doesn't exactly _look_ work safe ;) |
| 17:38.25 | cureless | daeos: don't know, run "ls -l" and see if it has a -> |
| 17:38.34 | tarzeau | resiak: however we'll make the plans and stuff all free software |
| 17:38.39 | tarzeau | resiak: and using free software... |
| 17:38.41 | valdyn | Kernel-Kris: so bring the interface up - snort can worry itself about activating promisc mode |
| 17:38.45 | cureless | Kernel-Kris: then the interface is down. did you configure snort to use the right interface? does the interface have an ip address? |
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| 17:39.06 | resiak | tarzeau: hah |
| 17:39.11 | Kernel-Kris | cureless: i was under the understanding that the interface didnt need an ip address |
| 17:39.34 | tarzeau | resiak: you'll also build one ? |
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| 17:39.42 | cureless | Kernel-Kris: IIRC it normally does, even if it's not a "valid" address, I might be mistaken. |
| 17:39.47 | valdyn | Kernel-Kris: how is it supposed to get any traffic that snort couldread if it has no IP ? |
| 17:39.58 | daeos | cureless: thanks got it working |
| 17:39.59 | cureless | Kernel-Kris: try setting the ip to 192.168.0.1 or something |
| 17:40.04 | cobratbq | lilo doesn't like it because /proc isn't yet mounted |
| 17:40.10 | tarzeau | resiak: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peaucellier-Lipkin_cell |
| 17:40.26 | cobratbq | after I mounted it, he complained about /dev and /proc not being equal or something alike |
| 17:40.58 | resiak | tarzeau: I won't :) |
| 17:41.02 | Kernel-Kris | valdyn: thas wat prom. is for...to catch all traffic...not just traffic destined to a certain subnet |
| 17:41.07 | cobratbq | I'm going to reboot into rescue and try again |
| 17:41.14 | valdyn | Kernel-Kris: nonsense |
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| 17:42.26 | cobratbq | Should I be able to run lilo from the rescue-cd? |
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| 17:42.44 | cobratbq | or are they (rescue and original) just too different |
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| 17:42.59 | ecdemo | you might be able to boot your system from the rescue cd |
| 17:43.00 | valdyn | Kernel-Kris: first, your interface wont get traffic at all that is not directed to your interface if you have a somewhat modern network hardware ( and not wireless ), second, promisc mode is required for snort to listen to any traffic at all |
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| 17:43.20 | ecdemo | but maybe not, unless you have the device mapper |
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| 17:43.40 | ecdemo | unless the cd has, in the kernel |
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| 17:43.46 | cobratbq | well I think the devicemapper is part of the problem |
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| 17:44.03 | ecdemo | right, it's not in the kernel you built |
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| 17:44.11 | cobratbq | yeah, i suspected as much |
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| 17:44.23 | cobratbq | can I rename the kernel-files to force him to use the old kernel? |
| 17:44.35 | cobratbq | like /initrd.img.old --> /initrd.img and vmlinuz etc? |
| 17:44.37 | ecdemo | no, lilo doesn't search |
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| 17:44.49 | Kernel-Kris | valdyn: nonsense.... switchport is configures to have all broadcasts reboadcasted to it (monitor) |
| 17:45.07 | cobratbq | ecdemo: not even /vmlinuz? he looks for that doesn't he? |
| 17:45.08 | cureless | cobratbq: lilo is old, it doesn't actually work with the filesystem information, those "tricks" won't work. |
| 17:45.16 | cobratbq | ow ok |
| 17:45.19 | cobratbq | too bad |
| 17:45.21 | ecdemo | at install time yes, at boot time no |
| 17:45.26 | valdyn | Kernel-Kris: alright, then snort still does need promisc mode to listen to any traffic at all |
| 17:45.30 | cobratbq | k |
| 17:45.43 | wols | ciaron: it waits the set up timeout period and then boots the default. it doesn't look anywhere |
| 17:45.53 | cobratbq | so you guys think that grub *could* work even with LVM? |
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| 17:46.07 | valdyn | Kernel-Kris: ifconfig up ethX ( that might be all ) |
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| 17:46.17 | ecdemo | it's possible, but again, I dont' know how |
| 17:46.18 | cobratbq | Cause i don't mind to switch to grub if that doesn't worsen the problem :P |
| 17:46.22 | cobratbq | hmm ok |
| 17:46.26 | Kernel-Kris | valdyn: so i have to set a bogus IP on the interface and then snort will do the rest? |
| 17:46.38 | cureless | Kernel-Kris: just set 10.0.0.1 |
| 17:46.46 | valdyn | Kernel-Kris: maybe you dont need an ip at all, ( ifconfig up ethX ) |
| 17:46.55 | valdyn | Kernel-Kris: ops, ifconfig ethX up |
| 17:46.58 | valdyn | Kernel-Kris: just try it |
| 17:47.03 | ecdemo | isn't it ifconfig ethX up |
| 17:47.11 | valdyn | ecdemo: yea |
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| 17:47.50 | Kernel-Kris | valdyn: thanks that worked |
| 17:47.58 | Kernel-Kris | cureless: thanks for the help |
| 17:48.05 | cureless | Kernel-Kris: no prob. |
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| 17:48.47 | cobratbq | ecdemo: did you say 'vgchange -a' ? |
| 17:48.52 | ecdemo | cobratbq: all I could do here is clarify what your problem is... unfortunately I don't know the solution |
| 17:49.19 | ecdemo | cobratbq: evidently (if your older kernel works), your system does that |
| 17:49.23 | cobratbq | well, I'm glad you helped me that much |
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| 17:49.53 | cobratbq | too bad i can't boot into the old kernel |
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| 17:51.10 | kupo | ecdemo: its almost as if it can't resolve the hostnames properly |
| 17:51.22 | valdyn | cobratbq: renaming will have no effect whatsoever unless you rerun lilo |
| 17:51.24 | kupo | even though i can surf from that computer fine |
| 17:51.38 | cobratbq | valdyn: yeah i though so |
| 17:51.59 | ecdemo | cobratbq: right now I see your solution as: somehow alter the lilo config file so that it gives you separate choices for your kernels, run lilo, try booting |
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| 17:52.46 | valdyn | i would guess that grub does not support lvm, lilo does not care about lvm so you had to use that |
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| 17:53.02 | cobratbq | yeah, that what i thought too |
| 17:53.07 | cobratbq | that's way i asked it twice :P |
| 17:54.14 | ecdemo | grub would have to support lvm in order to search for kernels in an lvm vol |
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| 17:54.42 | ecdemo | at that point you could rename... |
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| 17:55.28 | eliteforce | hi, i'd like to know what are the minimum/essential packages i need for a successful debian installation |
| 17:55.39 | ecdemo | the base install |
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| 17:55.46 | wols | a businesscard iso is probably easiest |
| 17:55.53 | wols | around 40MB |
| 17:56.18 | ecdemo | eliteforce: so the list would be found by "what is in the base" |
| 17:56.19 | cobratbq | this probably sounds crazy, but can i create a boot-partiton on an external USB harddisk (supported by the bios)? |
| 17:56.30 | valdyn | cobratbq: sure |
| 17:56.32 | eliteforce | ecdemo: everything in base? |
| 17:56.32 | ecdemo | yes |
| 17:56.40 | ecdemo | (to both of you :) |
| 17:56.45 | eliteforce | ecdemo: ok |
| 17:56.49 | eliteforce | thx |
| 17:56.53 | valdyn | eliteforce: everything in required / base |
| 17:57.10 | ecdemo | isn't everything in base required? |
| 17:57.30 | valdyn | eliteforce: though debian is installed using udebs, i dont know how you want to go about this |
| 17:57.31 | ecdemo | (if no, why they're in base?) |
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| 17:57.34 | cobratbq | can debian businesscard do a boot-sector-only install? |
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| 17:57.53 | valdyn | ecdemo: sysvinit is probably in base, but its not required |
| 17:58.28 | valdyn | ecdemo: nm it IS 'required' |
| 17:58.37 | ecdemo | I would have thought so :) |
| 17:58.56 | ecdemo | you're saying other inits can replace it |
| 17:59.11 | ecdemo | but you have to have an init on install |
| 17:59.25 | valdyn | ecdemo: yea, i was wrong there either way |
| 17:59.43 | jnco | how do i get debian drunk at a dance party? |
| 17:59.50 | jnco | whats the cmd |
| 18:00.02 | ecdemo | debian: are you here? |
| 18:00.04 | ecdemo | someone wants a date... |
| 18:00.14 | jnco | all i wanna do is party. |
| 18:00.16 | ecdemo | an easy date |
| 18:00.22 | jnco | party till the break of dawn |
| 18:00.35 | jnco | then pot |
| 18:00.36 | cobratbq | going to boot from knoppix first, to check if it want's to run lilo |
| 18:00.37 | jnco | then sleep |
| 18:00.46 | cobratbq | if not I'm gonna install on the external drive |
| 18:00.52 | jnco | 2 words cobratbq: boot sector. |
| 18:00.57 | cobratbq | yep i know |
| 18:01.01 | jnco | 2 words cobratbq: boot sector. |
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| 18:01.04 | cobratbq | can you do a raw bootsector edit? :P |
| 18:01.13 | jnco | pffssttt |
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| 18:01.18 | wols | cobratbq: sure you can, but why would you? |
| 18:01.22 | ecdemo | cobratbq: do a full base install on the usb device, then use that to go from there |
| 18:01.25 | jnco | for giggles. |
| 18:01.48 | jnco | someone tell me how to check the kde log so i can find out why it aint bootin. |
| 18:01.48 | cobratbq | ecdemo: yeah i will, but first i wanna try my luck with knoppix :P |
| 18:02.06 | nn- | last time i ran lilo onppix it it gave me devfs errors and refused to work |
| 18:02.29 | wols | nn-: with chroot and all? |
| 18:02.30 | nn- | s/onppix/on knoppix/ |
| 18:02.49 | nn- | wols: i have to chroot to use lilo? |
| 18:02.56 | wols | tho, it could be messy with his LVM. can knoppix do that? |
| 18:03.16 | wols | one usually does, yes |
| 18:03.35 | wols | chroot to the disk/install you install lilo/grub for |
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| 18:04.02 | nn- | wols: i get what you mean, that was not the cause of my problem |
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| 18:04.29 | wols | I'm not saying, just asking |
| 18:04.49 | nn- | probably i was just messing around with a broken build |
| 18:05.18 | LSorensen | nn-: why would you use lilo and why from knoppix? |
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| 18:05.35 | _wendell | How can I get a complete user list in MySQL? |
| 18:05.39 | nn- | LSorensen: if you flame lilo, you flame me |
| 18:06.03 | LSorensen | nn-: lilo works ok, but grub is much better |
| 18:06.07 | cobratbq | btw: |
| 18:06.09 | ni1s | Is the libglu1-mesa-dev package the Mesa3D lib you would find on www.mesa3d.org? I'm sorry, I'm new to debian. |
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| 18:06.26 | cobratbq | doesn't using the external drive force linux to change the external drive's MBR? |
| 18:06.28 | cureless | nn-: yes, you probably have to chroot to use lilo. (there are ways around that) |
| 18:06.41 | cobratbq | k |
| 18:06.47 | nn- | cureless: using symlinks for example |
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| 18:06.53 | LSorensen | cureless: well there is a --root-dir option or something like that |
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| 18:07.17 | cureless | nn-: for example, but you also need to do something about the kernel and where it's located. Either via options, or mounts. |
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| 18:07.49 | cureless | nn-: why don't you just chroot? |
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| 18:08.39 | jnco | ok. how do i change the config for debian itself.. not xfree86, not xdm, but DEBIAN |
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| 18:09.23 | nkuttler | jnco: there is no 'debian' config. be more specific please. |
| 18:09.34 | jnco | xfree86 finally works right but kde shits the bed, i have a feeling its using a bad mouse port because it crashes when going to initializing perepherals |
| 18:09.57 | ecliptik | can you mount an audio CD .bin through a loop device? I know how to do it for a data .bin, but that didn't work and google didn't shed much light. |
| 18:10.01 | jnco | i had a problem getting xdm to start, i finally got it working.. had to change the mouse and display properties |
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| 18:10.15 | sharyari | tjo |
| 18:10.16 | jnco | is there anyway to check the kde log |
| 18:10.20 | nkuttler | ecliptik: you don't mount audio cds |
| 18:10.20 | jnco | or.. hm |
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| 18:10.37 | sharyari | ehm, who is the bot in this channel? |
| 18:10.43 | jnco | every time kde goes to boot, it goes to initializing periferals then crashes back to xdm |
| 18:10.44 | nkuttler | sharyari: dpkg is one |
| 18:10.44 | ecliptik | nkuttler, anyway to access an audio track inside an .bin then? |
| 18:10.52 | sharyari | dpkg: sure? |
| 18:10.52 | dpkg | from memory, sure is a good kid |
| 18:10.54 | jnco | peripherals |
| 18:10.55 | jnco | thats better |
| 18:10.59 | nkuttler | ecliptik: no idea. maybe cdcd can do that |
| 18:11.11 | sharyari | ok, I want some info about usbmouses, how do I do that? |
| 18:11.13 | jnco | nkuttler any idea |
| 18:11.19 | nkuttler | sharyari: /msg dpkg usbmouse |
| 18:11.28 | nkuttler | jnco: does your mouse work outside of kde? |
| 18:11.30 | jnco | yes |
| 18:11.32 | jnco | in the xdm |
| 18:11.36 | sharyari | nkuttler: thank you |
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| 18:11.40 | ecliptik | nkuttler, thanks, I'll see if that helps. |
| 18:11.46 | cobratbq | k, currently install system to usb harddisk |
| 18:11.53 | cobratbq | didn't use lvm this time :P' |
| 18:11.55 | nkuttler | jnco: hm, i don't use kde |
| 18:12.03 | jnco | bummer |
| 18:12.10 | jnco | what config could be screwing it up? |
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| 18:12.51 | nkuttler | kde has this thing called kontrolcenter. i doubt it touches the mouse device or anything, but who knows... |
| 18:13.06 | ni1s | trying to compile fs2_open(a game), it spits out this: OpenGL version does not have the required features!! (ie.glBindBufferARB()) |
| 18:13.20 | ni1s | this is because my mesa dev is to old |
| 18:13.22 | jnco | i cant access it since kde wont start |
| 18:13.29 | FlimFlamMan | i'm using debian-sarge. is there a recommended way to move from its default Amanda 2.4 to the latest 2.5 (which offers tape spanning)? |
| 18:13.43 | jnco | how can i test my internet connection |
| 18:13.47 | sepski | FlimFlamMan, check if it's on backports.org |
| 18:13.49 | jnco | ping? |
| 18:13.50 | nkuttler | jnco: ping www.google.com? |
| 18:13.53 | FlimFlamMan | sepski, thanks |
| 18:14.02 | nn- | sepski: i bet it's not ;) |
| 18:14.14 | ni1s | but there are alot of packages with 'mesa' in their name, is it maybe "libglu1-mesa-dev" ? anyone? |
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| 18:14.33 | DevilChaos | hi folks |
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| 18:15.27 | nkuttler | jnco: you could startx without kde and launch the kde components from a terminal to see what happens |
| 18:15.36 | jnco | i see |
| 18:15.42 | jnco | i will work with that |
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| 18:15.57 | jnco | thanks.. hey what about my internet , is there a way to configure my eth |
| 18:16.06 | nkuttler | jnco: man interfaces |
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| 18:16.11 | rossi | running airsnort I get the failure message /sbin/wlanctl-ng missing |
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| 18:16.28 | main2 | howdy -fellow- debian friends |
| 18:16.33 | rossi | anybody any hints how to get that /sbin/wlanctl-ng |
| 18:16.36 | rossi | ? |
| 18:16.45 | main2 | could anyone of you be so kind to: udevinfo -e /dev/sda |
| 18:16.52 | nkuttler | rossi: /msg dpkg search |
| 18:16.53 | main2 | you need a scsi or usb device on sda to do this |
| 18:17.02 | cobratbq | or sata |
| 18:17.10 | whitehorse1 | With iptables, I want to insert a set of rules [specifically these SSH-limiting ones http://olivier.sessink.nl/publications/blacklisting/index.html] without inserting one-by-one at the command line. What's the standard file I need to open in a text editor to insert them into, please? And is the iptables 'recent' extension/module enabled in iptables by default in Sarge; or, how can I check if it is enabled? The OS is Sarge though u |
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| 18:17.20 | main2 | could anyone please show me the output of the above command in a pastebin |
| 18:17.23 | main2 | ? |
| 18:17.56 | whitehorse1 | main2: udevinfo - command not found :) |
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| 18:18.10 | main2 | you need udev to be able to do this ;) |
| 18:18.21 | whitehorse1 | *g* ok |
| 18:18.23 | main2 | its really really important for development |
| 18:18.23 | \amethyst | main2: -e doesn't take an argument |
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| 18:18.40 | whitehorse1 | main2 ah, ok understood. |
| 18:19.49 | DevilChaos | im still having problems with mounting partitions of vfat and fat32 keep geting errors this is one of the lines from fstab that is uncommented as they make my system crash #/dev/hdb1 /home/devil/Desktop/Music auto rw,user 0 0 |
| 18:20.16 | dorel | having gaim's window stay ontop of everything else is possible? |
| 18:20.21 | DevilChaos | anyone any ideas? |
| 18:20.22 | cahoot | whitehorse1: looked at and discarded fail2ban? |
| 18:20.28 | main2 | dorel, kde? |
| 18:20.55 | dorel | main2: hmm, no. some other light wm's like icewm, blackbox, fvwm, etc |
| 18:21.10 | main2 | dorel, your wm needs to support this |
| 18:21.18 | dorel | i see |
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| 18:21.31 | main2 | if i click on the gaim icon it the left top of the window.. |
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| 18:21.43 | wamty | did someone knows in which kernel version (2.6.15 or 16) is the option to rotate the console video mode |
| 18:21.45 | main2 | it shows me a list of wm options like borderless/ and on top |
| 18:21.54 | main2 | change levels.. |
| 18:22.14 | main2 | anyone here using udev 0.7x > or above? |
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| 18:23.26 | whitehorse1 | cahoot: I did read of it on debian-administration.org, the iptables route in that tutorial seemed to be less resource-hungry for the VPS? I don't know if fail2ban'd demand I install too much python stuff - should only take me sec2check via apt-get now tho. |
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| 18:25.23 | whitehorse1 | cahoot: Hmm, fail2ban's only in Sid as yet so I'd have to compile it from sourceforge I imagine. Which wouldn't be too bad, though do all via apt is always preferable [for the lazy, like me cough ;)] |
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| 18:26.14 | whitehorse1 | I've disabled ssh on port 22 at least, as the very first step. |
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| 18:27.12 | cahoot | whitehorse1: you can also set AllowUsers - to lock out all not mentioned there |
| 18:27.32 | stew | whitehorse1: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 18:27.38 | cobratbq | k, another strange problem. I can't install either grub or lilo onto /dev/sdb |
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| 18:28.24 | wamty | did someone knows in which kernel version (2.6.15 or 16) is the option to rotate the console video mode |
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| 18:28.38 | stew | whitehorse1: actually fail2ban's dependencies show that it will install ok on sarge, it only depends on python and iptables, so it won't be compiled anyway |
| 18:29.53 | whitehorse1 | cahoot: I'm allowing root logins for myself, I think other users are locked out in the conf file actually yep. Some might say root might not be the one to leave enabled of course! stew: thanks, hmm. so apt-get -t unstable install fail2ban then rather than backports.org? |
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| 18:30.17 | kensai | new nvidia driver is greatly needed |
| 18:30.23 | kensai | and nvidia doesn't release it |
| 18:30.36 | pitillo | whitehorse1, interesting article in http://dlgwiki.dot42.org/index.php/Blocking_ssh_brute_force_attacks_with_iptables |
| 18:30.53 | whitehorse1 | pitillo: thanks, going for a quick glance now |
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| 18:31.07 | pitillo | :) |
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| 18:33.01 | stew | whitehorse1: apt-cache show fail2ban ; the dependencies are only "python, iptables", they aren't versioned, and the package is Architecture: all, so its definately not compiled, backporting the package should be largely a noop. Its generally a bad idea to install unstable packages onto stable, but in cases like this you can get away with it safely |
| 18:33.21 | wamty | did someone know how to make a file with a name from current date and hour for ex. ( every time linux boots to make 1 file with some changes and to save it under name - date time ) |
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| 18:34.14 | whitehorse1 | pitillo: Ah yep, that's one's a variant of a link I posted earlier. It needs an iptables module named 'recent' to manage the packet dropping if $foo login errors are exceeded. ...Though I'm not sure if that module is standard or requires me to download iptables from CVS (not ideal at my level of experience prbly). stew: thank you; looks like I'll go with fail2ban in that case! [via apt-get -t unstable install fail2ban] |
| 18:34.21 | bbrazil | wamty: start with touch `date` |
| 18:34.34 | kensai | anyone having the udevd-event deprecated error at boot? |
| 18:34.49 | bbrazil | whitehorse1: recent is quite standard these days |
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| 18:34.55 | kensai | this attacked me in gentoo some months back and is attacking me in debian now |
| 18:34.56 | pitillo | whitehorse1, probably the modules is compiled in your kernel, you only need to load it if it isnot loaded |
| 18:35.13 | pitillo | *modules/module |
| 18:35.19 | whitehorse1 | stew: or rather I'll follow the dpkg bot advice on how to install from Sid |
| 18:35.54 | moshii | kensai: yeah, everything is still working so I've just ignored it |
| 18:36.10 | whitehorse1 | pitillo: cheers, I'll check via modprobe just so I know. the fail2ban package does seem the easiest route now tho |
| 18:36.40 | kensai | moshii, everything works fine but I'm googling to see how it can be removed |
| 18:37.01 | ma3x | wols, did you say something? |
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| 18:37.24 | pitillo | whitehorse1, with that package you need to load python scripts... with my p166mmx... I prefer to load the module and blacklist the hosts dinamically than to overload the server with that py scripts |
| 18:37.39 | moshii | kensai: have you purged udev/hotplug? |
| 18:37.41 | jeward | Hello, I'm installing sarge on a HP Omnibook 800CT and it says: no partitionable media found. |
| 18:38.07 | LSorensen | jeward: maybe it didn't detect the disk due to not supporting the drive controller |
| 18:38.07 | kensai | moshii, udev/hotplug purged? |
| 18:38.16 | wols | ma3x: nothing important |
| 18:38.26 | jeward | LSorensen: How do I fix it? |
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| 18:38.45 | moshii | kensai: the pre or post inst scripts for udev and hotplug have asked for them to be purged resently, maybe that's the problem |
| 18:38.46 | stew | whitehorse1: following the advice in /msg dpkg simple sid backport is, in general, a good idea, in this case you won't get different results than just installing it instead of backporting it |
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| 18:38.51 | pitillo | whitehorse1, take a look in /lib/modules/kernel_version/kernel/drivers/net ... may be the modules are there |
| 18:39.10 | tz | has anyone experienced problems with wget/curl while running debian-amd64? |
| 18:39.12 | LSorensen | jeward: how old is that machine? |
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| 18:39.21 | jeward | LSorensen: 11 years. |
| 18:39.23 | kensai | moshii, any Idea how to do so? |
| 18:39.29 | ma3x | wols, something about logging in to the other console... tell me about it |
| 18:39.31 | tz | seems like all downloads through http take years and years |
| 18:39.38 | LSorensen | jeward: oh. hmm, it sure ought to be supported then |
| 18:39.51 | LSorensen | jeward: which version are you trying to install? |
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| 18:39.54 | moshii | kensai: apt-get --purge remove udev && apt-get install udev |
| 18:40.02 | wols | ma3x: long gone and irrelevant now. was in error back then |
| 18:40.02 | jeward | LSorensen: I ran into this problem last time I tried to instrall debian, but forgot. |
| 18:40.15 | ma3x | wols, but tell me about it |
| 18:40.20 | jeward | LSorensen: The latest sarge. |
| 18:40.20 | kensai | moshii, thanks I'll try that |
| 18:40.27 | LSorensen | jeward: hmm, using 2.4 or 2.6 kernel? |
| 18:40.34 | jeward | LSorensen: 2.4. |
| 18:40.47 | }{aDa_MaDrInA15 | wenassss |
| 18:41.14 | whitehorse1 | pitillo or stew: oh maybe I should be worried then? would you know how much 'overhead' we're probably talking about on a standard sarge server installation with the fail2ban python script then or is it probably negligible as a single script |
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| 18:41.36 | simonrvn | ugh |
| 18:41.43 | ma3x | wols, I just did you a /whois. klingenstein - what a funny name! ;p |
| 18:41.47 | LSorensen | jeward: did you try with 2.6? Or are you using floppies for the install? |
| 18:41.48 | ma3x | wols, i like it |
| 18:41.50 | simonrvn | !nickometer }{aDa_MaDrInA15 |
| 18:41.52 | dpkg | '}{aDa_MaDrInA15' is 99.760% lame, simonrvn |
| 18:41.58 | simonrvn | no kidding |
| 18:42.15 | jeward | LSorensen: No bootable CD drive, so using floppies. |
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| 18:42.30 | jeward | LSorensen: I think there were 2.6 floppy images on the CD though? |
| 18:42.31 | docta_v | is there a reason why crond wouldn't be able to launch tcpdump? |
| 18:42.40 | wols | !nickmeter jnco |
| 18:42.41 | dpkg | jnco is 100% lame with a cherry on top! |
| 18:42.45 | wols | beat that :) |
| 18:42.45 | LSorensen | jeward: hmm. very odd. apparently woody (3.0) worked fine on those according to http://tuxmobil.org/hp800e.html |
| 18:42.46 | simonrvn | because it doesn't feel like it |
| 18:42.50 | docta_v | it's not working and i'm not getting any errors...some kind of permissions problem but not sure how to fix it |
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| 18:43.03 | jeward | LSorensen: Yes, only the later debians fail. |
| 18:43.15 | tarzeau | !mosh |
| 18:43.37 | LSorensen | jeward: so why not install 3.0, and then upgrade from there? |
| 18:43.49 | ma3x | !nickmeter simonrvn |
| 18:43.49 | dpkg | simonrvn is 100% lame with a cherry on top! |
| 18:43.50 | LSorensen | jeward: how much ram does it have? |
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| 18:43.53 | ma3x | ha |
| 18:43.59 | jeward | LSorensen: Will woody recognize my PCMCIA NIC? |
| 18:44.07 | ma3x | if you have cherry on top, you're not lame, you're sexy! |
| 18:44.07 | jeward | LSorensen: 32M. |
| 18:44.10 | LSorensen | jeward: it should I suspect. |
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| 18:44.23 | LSorensen | jeward: hmm, just on the limit of ram. I am not sure that is always enough ram for a sarge installer. |
| 18:44.40 | jeward | LSorensen: Sarge went into low memory mode. |
| 18:44.50 | LSorensen | jeward: I wonder how well tested that is |
| 18:44.56 | jeward | LSorensen: Looks like ti was going to install fine until it couldn't find the disk. |
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| 18:45.00 | simonrvn | wols: with what tool? :P |
| 18:45.01 | emergo | how do I set the x-www-browser ? |
| 18:45.05 | LSorensen | jeward: if you did a minimal install of woody and then upgraded, it might work |
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| 18:45.09 | moshii | jeward: you should build a tar with debootstrap and do it manually |
| 18:45.13 | wols | simonrvn: /nick :P |
| 18:45.17 | simonrvn | oooh, so original *snore* |
| 18:45.19 | jeward | LSorensen: Where is woody flopy images? |
| 18:45.29 | LSorensen | jeward: well maybe it just didn't load the right driver. you could check lspci and such on console 2 and see what kind of controller it uses |
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| 18:45.47 | LSorensen | jeward: it may just be the hardware is missing in discover, which sarge uses to decide what to load. woody did it very differently |
| 18:45.49 | jeward | LSorensen: lspci not found. |
| 18:45.59 | DarkWingZE | I had a look at my hd unit |
| 18:46.07 | LSorensen | jeward: sarge should have lspci, although maybe that's only on the cd version |
| 18:46.13 | DarkWingZE | someone said oh no you are running PIO somethings wrong |
| 18:46.15 | LSorensen | jeward: cat /proc/pci might tell you stuff |
| 18:46.21 | simonrvn | wols: no, with what tool would/could you beat that? |
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| 18:46.26 | cobratbq | well guys, i got as far as to running lilo by using the preperations of a expert business card installation |
| 18:46.36 | jeward | LSorensen: checking. |
| 18:46.36 | DarkWingZE | well the thing is that my linux is running on hda which has DMA installed |
| 18:46.39 | cobratbq | but installing on the external harddisk wasn't that much of a success |
| 18:46.45 | th0ger | Hi, I have some problems configuring volume control(alsa). In alsamixer master and pcm does not affect volume, instead i must use 'VIA DXS' 0-3 channels. Also some different sound applications (mplayer/playmp3list) is controlled by different channels (dxs1/dxs2 respectively)...?? |
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| 18:46.50 | emergo | how do I set the x-www-browser ? Id like to set it to mozilla navigator |
| 18:46.51 | wols | simonrvn: I'd try by redefining what 100% means so I had a chance of winning of course |
| 18:46.51 | th0ger | where is this configuration in alsa made (debian)?? |
| 18:46.52 | DarkWingZE | and hdd: DMA second ide |
| 18:47.03 | wols | so I'd say advance bogomathematics |
| 18:47.15 | moshii | DarkWingZE: if you space your question out no one is going to understand it, let alone answer |
| 18:47.23 | simonrvn | heh |
| 18:47.26 | jeward | LSorensen: I don't recognize anything to be the disk controller, what am I looking for? |
| 18:47.33 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 18:47.35 | \amethyst | emergo: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
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| 18:47.48 | LSorensen | jeward: IDE, or something of class storage or 010x or a scsi controller perhaps |
| 18:47.49 | wols | we're on irc and we're geeks. we don't have the musclemass or hand eye coordinateion for successfully using heavy objects |
| 18:48.02 | jeward | LSorensen: The CD is SCSI. |
| 18:48.17 | simonrvn | speak for yourself :P. i can handle a sledghammer just fine |
| 18:48.21 | moshii | wols: speaking for yourself there. |
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| 18:48.23 | simonrvn | sledgehammer* |
| 18:48.37 | wols | moshii: as any good kook, I'M a good generalizer |
| 18:48.42 | tarzeau | or someone play #trivia ? |
| 18:48.51 | jeward | LSorensen: I don't see the IDE os class 010x. |
| 18:48.52 | wols | moshii: and now go back to the jocks where you belong |
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| 18:48.57 | whitehorse1 | wols: some of us are in denial though ;) |
| 18:49.00 | DarkWingZE | however I did a benchmark test on my hda and got the following result Timing cached reads: 1068 MB in 2.00 seconds = 532.75 MB/sec |
| 18:49.00 | wols | tarzeau: I stopped after I won a week :) |
| 18:49.07 | cobratbq | hey guys, an idea: could it be that by removing the new linux-kernel the old one is automatically restored by apt-get? |
| 18:49.08 | wols | or was it 4th? can't remember |
| 18:49.10 | simonrvn | (i'd need to get back into shape to lift it for an extended period of time, winter is hell for physical shape...) |
| 18:49.11 | DarkWingZE | Timing buffered disk reads: 140 MB in 3.03 seconds = 46.15 MB/sec |
| 18:49.16 | DarkWingZE | is that considered bad? |
| 18:49.17 | moshii | wols: I thought the people that called each other geeks ran windows |
| 18:49.25 | emergo | \amethyst: only as root ? |
| 18:49.30 | tarzeau | wols: did you play alone? |
| 18:49.30 | nn- | DarkWingZE: that's just fine |
| 18:49.39 | moshii | wols: and being a geek was just an excuse for not getting girls |
| 18:49.40 | wols | moshii: have you ever read /,? oh forget I said something, please |
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| 18:49.55 | wols | tarzeau: can you play alone on #trivia? |
| 18:49.55 | DarkWingZE | I am running 512 M, XP 2200+ WCD HD |
| 18:50.08 | tarzeau | wols: yes and it's boring |
| 18:50.10 | simonrvn | !troll moshii |
| 18:50.16 | moshii | yay |
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| 18:50.22 | DarkWingZE | so thats a good performance ? |
| 18:50.22 | tarzeau | someone play http://bub-n-bros.sf.net #bub-n-bros ? |
| 18:50.23 | oskie | geek=socially undesirable person ... |
| 18:50.25 | DarkWingZE | from such a system? |
| 18:50.39 | oskie | which means he or she runs linux |
| 18:50.43 | wols | DarkWingZE: the important ones are the unbuffered. buffered only says that you have a fast cache on your disk. not really worth bragging about |
| 18:50.46 | simonrvn | !dict geek |
| 18:50.48 | dpkg | Dictionary 'geek' (3): a carnival performer who does disgusting acts ;; 150 1 definitions retrieved 151 "geek" foldoc "The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (27 SEP 03)" geek ;; a person with an unusual or odd personality . |
| 18:50.58 | simonrvn | !dict nerd |
| 18:51.00 | dpkg | Dictionary 'nerd' an insignificant student who is ridiculed as being affected or studying excessively |
| 18:51.01 | multi_io | what ist the difference between the "timeserver" and the "ntp" protocol (see /etc/services)? |
| 18:51.07 | emergo | \amethyst: sorry I wrote wrong first time, Thank You ! |
| 18:51.08 | LSorensen | jeward: hmm. I wonder what ide controller they used on that thing |
| 18:51.22 | jeward | LSorensen: I read about this once, but I forgot. |
| 18:51.31 | wols | tarzeau: if you play for more than a day, you will see that you can't play alone, at least not where the top10 is concerned. and if you want a shot at it, you need to be around when the list resets (once per week) |
| 18:51.33 | jeward | LSorensen: I bet we can find the hardware specs somewhere. |
| 18:51.48 | jeward | LSorensen: Meanwhile I'm looking for Woody floppies. |
| 18:52.01 | multi_io | hm, nevermind, I funckinggoogled it |
| 18:52.03 | cobratbq | plz someone... i booted from the old kernel but it doesn't yet work. I think something else is wrong |
| 18:52.20 | cobratbq | is it possible to make a symlink to a mapper-device? |
| 18:52.28 | cobratbq | because linux says: primaryVG now active |
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| 18:52.35 | cobratbq | but he searches for /dev/root |
| 18:52.46 | DarkWingZE | wols: what r u saying? |
| 18:52.49 | jeward | LSorensen: Can't seem to find Woddy floppies? |
| 18:52.57 | DarkWingZE | so my DMA is setup okay then |
| 18:52.58 | moshii | cobratbq: you need to ask properly instead of just spamming |
| 18:52.59 | cureless | cobratbq: you can make symlinks to anything. It's the application that uses them that might/might not work with them |
| 18:53.03 | DarkWingZE | according to benchmark test |
| 18:53.09 | DarkWingZE | isnt it so? |
| 18:53.13 | simonrvn | "in *NIX, everything is a file" |
| 18:53.20 | simonrvn | !r |
| 18:53.20 | dpkg | methinks r is a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. And it's "are", not "r" |
| 18:53.20 | wols | DarkWingZE: the important ones are the unbuffered. buffered only says that you have a fast cache on your disk. not really worth bragging about |
| 18:53.25 | cureless | simonrvn: except sockets. |
| 18:53.26 | simonrvn | !u |
| 18:53.27 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 18:53.29 | moshii | DarkWingZE: hdparm -i /dev/hda or what ever |
| 18:53.44 | cureless | simonrvn: ... some type of sockets... |
| 18:53.44 | LSorensen | jeward:jew: hmm, should be on the archive |
| 18:53.49 | DarkWingZE | will that give more info? |
| 18:53.55 | simonrvn | cureless: technically they are too. |
| 18:53.57 | wols | dmattli: no. your cable to your harddisk is ok |
| 18:53.57 | cureless | so, everything is a file... unless it's not |
| 18:54.02 | jeward | LSorensen: Okay, found them. |
| 18:54.04 | Hal9000 | what is the main difference, in practice, between hardware raid and software raid? e.g. are there any downsides with any of those methods? |
| 18:54.07 | wols | but your DMA most like is ok since dmesg already said so |
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| 18:54.14 | jeward | LSorensen: I need boot, root and all five drivers? :-( |
| 18:54.18 | jmp_me | !q |
| 18:54.19 | dpkg | hmm... q is C * V, or quadra |
| 18:54.40 | jeward | LSorensen: Four drivers I mean? |
| 18:54.43 | guadalinexv3 | hola me aydais con la compilación de mi kernel? |
| 18:54.45 | DarkWingZE | Some people here said my DMA was f*** up |
| 18:54.50 | simonrvn | cureless: yeh, some types |
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| 18:54.55 | wols | Hal9000: good luck getting another hw raid controller of the same type when your current one breaks. software raid however is slower since it needs more host cpu |
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| 18:55.16 | DarkWingZE | but it seems fine |
| 18:55.17 | LSorensen | jeward: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/bf2.4/ |
| 18:55.24 | cureless | Hal9000: hardware raid is done by software, software raid, by software. Hardware raid is supposed to be faster, but that depends on the quality of it. Software raid might be more customizable. |
| 18:55.30 | LSorensen | jeward: for woody, yes you need 6 disks |
| 18:55.43 | simonrvn | unless you have a neat like scsi card that has its own ram and such ;) |
| 18:55.44 | cureless | Hal9000: woops, that was meant to say hardware raid is done by hardware ! |
| 18:55.47 | moshii | DarkWingZE: check the output of hdparm, it'll tell you what is on and what is off |
| 18:55.47 | LSorensen | jeward: rescue is the boot disk |
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| 18:55.57 | Hal9000 | wols, cureless: thanks. and as far as reliabilty goes, are both hardware and software the same reliable? |
| 18:56.00 | DarkWingZE | moshii: I did |
| 18:56.06 | Hal9000 | cureless: yes i got that by myself hehe |
| 18:56.08 | guadalinexv3 | Error 13 invalid or unsupported executable format. I need your help please |
| 18:56.08 | cureless | Hal9000: define reliability? |
| 18:56.16 | wols | Hal9000: software is more reliable: less parts that can break |
| 18:56.17 | jeward | LSorensen: Okie, I'll do that. Then switch sources.list to sarge and dist-upgrade? |
| 18:56.26 | LSorensen | jeward: yep. |
| 18:56.31 | LSorensen | jeward: worth a shot at least. |
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| 18:56.34 | jeward | LSorensen: Fun. :-( |
| 18:56.36 | guadalinexv3 | this is in grub |
| 18:56.38 | guadalinexv3 | hola me aydais con la compilación de mi kernel? |
| 18:56.41 | jeward | LSorensen: Thanks! :-) |
| 18:56.42 | guadalinexv3 | Error 13 invalid or unsupported executable format. I need your help please |
| 18:56.46 | LSorensen | jeward: or you could give up on that old slowpoke :) |
| 18:56.47 | moshii | DarkWingZE: and there's a nice star next to one of the UDMA modes? |
| 18:56.59 | jeward | LSorensen: I hate to let anything die that can still run linux! |
| 18:57.07 | DarkWingZE | moshii: how should I call hdparm which switches? |
| 18:57.10 | cureless | Hal9000: once the data is RAIDED, they're more or less the same. RAID is a complex subject and depends a lot on your setup. RAID 0, 1, 10, 5? |
| 18:57.21 | Hal9000 | RAID 1 |
| 18:57.23 | guadalinexv3 | LSorensen, can you help me ? |
| 18:57.25 | guadalinexv3 | Error 13 invalid or unsupported executable format. I need your help please |
| 18:57.26 | Hal9000 | two mirrored HDs |
| 18:57.31 | cureless | Hal9000: how many disks? how much redundancy? Can you do hotswap, do you want to? is downtime important? etc. |
| 18:57.33 | moshii | DarkWingZE: hdparm -i /dev/hdX will give you detailed info about the drive |
| 18:58.05 | cureless | Hal9000: if you don't have a specific need you'll be ok with software raid. It's cheaper, it works, etc. |
| 18:58.29 | guadalinexv3 | moshii, ) |
| 18:58.34 | Hal9000 | cureless: do i need hardware raid if i want to exchange a broken drive whithout shutting down the system? |
| 18:58.37 | cureless | Hal9000: however, for Raid 1 you'll get better performance out of a good harware raid. (where good normally = lots of money) |
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| 18:58.47 | DarkWingZE | moshii: i dont have a star |
| 18:59.01 | valdyn | Hal9000: no, but only specific disk controllers support hot swapping |
| 18:59.14 | moshii | DarkWingZE: UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 *udma5 .. my drive is running with udma5 |
| 18:59.15 | cureless | Hal9000: well, you definitelly need hardware support for hotswap. |
| 18:59.15 | valdyn | Hal9000: rather, and even less drivers do i guess |
| 18:59.22 | Hal9000 | oh i see, i need to ask my vendor about the specs then |
| 18:59.30 | LSorensen | Hal9000: I have done hotswap on a system with an aic7xxx scsi controller and an IBM hotswap backplane. |
| 18:59.30 | DarkWingZE | udma5 |
| 18:59.35 | DarkWingZE | yes there is a star on that one |
| 18:59.36 | jeward | LSorensen: I actually have to boot from Tomsrtbt, ftp the images and dd them... |
| 18:59.40 | cureless | Hal9000: don't try to just pull out a harddrive. |
| 18:59.41 | LSorensen | Hal9000: using software raid. Had to do some scripting to handle it |
| 18:59.47 | LSorensen | jeward: fun fun. :) |
| 18:59.54 | DarkWingZE | moshii: I am running udma5 |
| 19:00.00 | jeward | LSorensen: It's the only machine I have that still has a floppy! |
| 19:00.07 | moshii | DarkWingZE: well your drive is using udma5 then .. ata133 blah blah |
| 19:00.08 | LSorensen | jeward: I have floppies in most of my machines |
| 19:00.21 | cureless | Hal9000: there are some hotswap options that are not RAID. But, at some point, the hardware has to support the removal of a live device. |
| 19:00.26 | LSorensen | jeward: I still have debian sarge on a 486/66 with 48M ram and an 18G driver. Works great as a firewall. |
| 19:00.28 | DarkWingZE | moshii: but wat does that have to do with unbuffered buffers |
| 19:00.34 | jeward | LSorensen: Oh wait, I have a USB floppy! |
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| 19:00.41 | LSorensen | jeward: but no usb ports? |
| 19:00.50 | LSorensen | jeward: or on another machine? |
| 19:00.54 | jeward | LSorensen: On another machine... :-) |
| 19:00.56 | moshii | DarkWingZE: nothing at all, you were bitching about your "DMA" |
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| 19:01.05 | Hal9000 | ok now a completelly different question... if i got the base minimal system of debian i386 installed... can i dist-upgrade to the amd64 version? |
| 19:01.14 | LSorensen | Hal9000: no. |
| 19:01.20 | DarkWingZE | moshii: actually I was told when I showed a benchmark test that it was nothing to brag about |
| 19:01.25 | Hal9000 | damn :P |
| 19:01.26 | DarkWingZE | they said something about unbuffered |
| 19:01.31 | DarkWingZE | wat does that mean? |
| 19:01.32 | LSorensen | Hal9000: different architecture. |
| 19:01.35 | DarkWingZE | wols? |
| 19:01.43 | DarkWingZE | wols: wat r u talking about? |
| 19:01.45 | LSorensen | Hal9000: you can install an amd64 kernel and setup an amd64 install in a chroot |
| 19:01.52 | moshii | DarkWingZE: well, udma5 isn't going to be as fast as a SATA2 drive and never will be |
| 19:02.00 | wols | DarkWingZE: that buffered reads say shit all in hdparm |
| 19:02.02 | Hal9000 | LSorensen: i will need to find a way to replace that system remotelly :P |
| 19:02.12 | LSorensen | moshii: unless the drive itself can't go that fast in the first place. |
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| 19:02.23 | LSorensen | Hal9000: I wouldn't try. |
| 19:02.23 | DarkWingZE | wols: so how do I measure performance? |
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| 19:02.29 | wols | with hdparm |
| 19:02.37 | DarkWingZE | thats wat I did |
| 19:02.46 | DarkWingZE | I did a bench mark test, and thats wat I gout out |
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| 19:02.50 | LSorensen | Hal9000: although if you can get the amd64 kernel on, you could do the same steps as someone doing a chroot replacement of redhat on a hosted server. same procedure should work |
| 19:02.55 | wols | hdparm -tT not just -T |
| 19:02.58 | DarkWingZE | the stuff you refer to dodo |
| 19:03.05 | wols | there is more than once benchmark test there |
| 19:03.15 | moshii | DarkWingZE: my unbuffered reads for an ATA133 drive are 30mb/sec and for my SATA1 drive 60mb/sec |
| 19:03.30 | LSorensen | wols: what test other than -t is useful to the disk? |
| 19:03.37 | LSorensen | moshii: what size are those two drives? |
| 19:03.42 | moshii | DarkWingZE: unbuffered means the speed from the actual drive and not from drive + stuff in ram |
| 19:03.47 | moshii | LSorensen: 60 and 200 gig |
| 19:03.49 | guadalinexv3 | hijos de puta |
| 19:03.50 | DarkWingZE | hmm |
| 19:03.52 | LSorensen | moshii: well no wonder. |
| 19:03.56 | DarkWingZE | moshii: I wonder |
| 19:04.11 | moshii | LSorensen: slow or fast? not like it really matters to me |
| 19:04.16 | wols | LSorensen: -tT as I said |
| 19:04.21 | LSorensen | moshii: I know a 250G WD2500JB (ATA5) is the same speed as a WD2500JD (SATA 1) |
| 19:04.23 | wols | LSorensen: he only used -T |
| 19:04.33 | th0ger | How can i make "master" in alsamixer control the volume?? Any hint please! |
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| 19:04.39 | DarkWingZE | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:04.44 | LSorensen | wols: -T is a ram test |
| 19:04.45 | DarkWingZE | this is my reading doing that test |
| 19:04.55 | DarkWingZE | is that considered a good value? |
| 19:04.56 | moshii | LSorensen: my ata5 disk is swap at the moment so the tests are probably all over the place |
| 19:05.13 | cobratbq | could someone help me again? :P |
| 19:05.17 | LSorensen | moshii: larger disks tend to have higher transfer rates due to having higher densities. |
| 19:05.30 | DarkWingZE | I am running gnome: and having programs running so maybe the test aint totally accurate |
| 19:05.33 | LSorensen | moshii: the interface doesn't really matter as long as the interface is faster than the disk. |
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| 19:05.38 | wols | LSorensen: and that's what he did. cache test to be precise |
| 19:05.49 | moshii | LSorensen: i've got a feeling my ata5 disk is 4000rpm too |
| 19:05.52 | cobratbq | (this one will probably be easier than before) |
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| 19:06.16 | fluor- | ¡hola! |
| 19:06.22 | DarkWingZE | wols: is that a good value Timing buffered disk reads: 138 MB in 3.01 seconds = 45.88 MB/sec |
| 19:06.23 | wols | DarkWingZE: it's using busmaster DMA with 45MB/s |
| 19:06.34 | fluor- | is there a way to keep track of a certain package - ie to receive a mail notification for each new package version? |
| 19:06.35 | DarkWingZE | wols: yes? |
| 19:06.38 | wols | DarkWingZE: no it's not since it's buffered reads. read what I typed |
| 19:06.41 | moshii | has anyone managed to get the nvidia module to build in 2.6.16? |
| 19:06.53 | DarkWingZE | wols: what are u saying? |
| 19:07.01 | valdyn | moshii: which one? |
| 19:07.01 | wols | DarkWingZE: scroll up |
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| 19:07.23 | moshii | valdyn: Stock debian kernel, k7 |
| 19:07.27 | DarkWingZE | wols: I dont understand wat u are saying, its using busmaster DMA with 45MB/s |
| 19:07.34 | valdyn | moshii: which nvidia module? |
| 19:07.35 | DarkWingZE | wat does that mean exactly? |
| 19:07.51 | wols | DarkWingZE: ignore that one since it was based on false data I sope about hdparm before that |
| 19:07.54 | cahoot | wols: he's measuring what he's intended to do - I think you mix buffered and cached |
| 19:07.54 | nn- | DarkWingZE: depends on your hd whether 45/mb is good.. it's excellent for recent ide hds |
| 19:08.04 | kensai | moshii, almost impossible since nvidia driver does not support kernel 2.6.16 by itself |
| 19:08.05 | valdyn | moshii: 1.0.8178-2 works for me, im not sure if i had that from experimental or wherever |
| 19:08.08 | moshii | valdyn: nvidia-kernel, I can't get it to build in m-a |
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| 19:08.20 | moshii | valdyn: ah, I'll take a look |
| 19:08.24 | valdyn | !info nvidia-glx sid |
| 19:08.25 | wols | cahoot: ok then |
| 19:08.27 | DarkWingZE | nn-: is it bad? |
| 19:08.29 | DarkWingZE | or is it good? |
| 19:08.31 | kensai | moshii, and there is a bug in module assistant right now |
| 19:08.31 | valdyn | !info nvidia-glx sarge |
| 19:08.36 | DarkWingZE | vols: u are making me confused |
| 19:08.39 | nn- | DarkWingZE: probably not |
| 19:08.43 | cahoot | DarkWingZE: it's par for the course |
| 19:08.51 | wols | DarkWingZE: then stop listening to me |
| 19:08.51 | DarkWingZE | nn-: u are too |
| 19:08.55 | moshii | m-a compalains that the kernel headers are unconfigured :/ but other drivers have built fine |
| 19:09.06 | DarkWingZE | is it a bad value? |
| 19:09.13 | DarkWingZE | if it is how do I change it? |
| 19:09.22 | DarkWingZE | if it has to do with some buffer setting |
| 19:09.24 | wols | moshii: what does the nvidia stuff itself say (without m-a)? |
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| 19:09.25 | cahoot | DarkWingZE: it's as good as you'll get |
| 19:09.27 | nn- | DarkWingZE: even the fastest ide hds don't transfer more than 60-7ß mb/s |
| 19:09.37 | valdyn | moshii: i wouldnt know about 2.6.16 specifi m-a bugs |
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| 19:09.40 | wols | DarkWingZE: it's good for a IDE disk. you can't change it |
| 19:09.43 | nn- | looks like my terminal is f**** up |
| 19:09.47 | valdyn | moshii: ..I dont use it |
| 19:09.50 | DarkWingZE | hmmm |
| 19:09.51 | wols | !tell DarkWingZE about hdparm |
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| 19:10.01 | moshii | wols: haven't tried, I'm used to m-a, can't remember how to build modules manually |
| 19:10.12 | kensai | there is a bug in module assistant with nvidia right now |
| 19:10.21 | wols | moshii: nvidia does it very nicely. just run their "Installer" |
| 19:10.29 | valdyn | wols: uh |
| 19:10.31 | DarkWingZE | hmmm |
| 19:10.35 | moshii | wols: I'd prefer not to |
| 19:10.41 | wols | just outside the package system of course... |
| 19:10.43 | cahoot | DarkWingZE: your problem with slow loading of totem etc isn't caused by slow harddisk |
| 19:10.56 | DarkWingZE | chhoot: why then? |
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| 19:11.15 | valdyn | moshii: cd /your/headers; make-kpkg modules-image ( and add --append-to-version foo if it bitches about that.. ) |
| 19:11.26 | DarkWingZE | cahoot: I am starting to wondering if it takes advantage of my full RAM potential |
| 19:11.36 | DarkWingZE | or if its swaping onto hd |
| 19:11.41 | moshii | DarkWingZE: maybe totem is hanging around waiting for a sound or display driver to init or something |
| 19:11.41 | cahoot | DarkWingZE: I don't know - but loading totem on my system (fairly same specs) takes about 3 secs |
| 19:12.09 | DarkWingZE | cahoot: xxm loads very quickly , less than 2 secs |
| 19:12.14 | DarkWingZE | probably 1 sec |
| 19:12.28 | cobratbq | Can anyone plz help me? I'm pretty far along now. I can reload lilo.conf and I've got the LVM to load |
| 19:12.28 | DarkWingZE | but totem takes more than 10 seconds |
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| 19:12.47 | kensai | I shall try official nvidia driver not .deb to see if it works. |
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| 19:13.12 | cahoot | DarkWingZE: load totem from a term and see if you get any complaints |
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| 19:13.29 | DarkWingZE | ok |
| 19:14.17 | moshii | valdyn: getting build errors |
| 19:14.24 | DarkWingZE | libhal.c 2282 : Error sending msg: No reply within specified time |
| 19:14.28 | DarkWingZE | I got this error |
| 19:14.36 | DarkWingZE | wat does this mean? |
| 19:14.48 | DarkWingZE | cahoot: this is wat I got when loading from a term window |
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| 19:15.13 | damog | any hint on filtering my imap mail to a specific mailbox to procmail? |
| 19:15.17 | kensai | Hmm, in the forums it says nvidia driver is supported in kernel 2.6 I shall install the nvidia.com driver then |
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| 19:16.01 | nn- | ever considered banning the word "nvidia" from this channel? |
| 19:16.04 | valdyn | moshii: which one |
| 19:16.44 | DrNoboto | kensai, are you trying to install the nvidia drivers under a 2.6.16 kernel? |
| 19:16.50 | DarkWingZE | wols: I get this message running totem in a xterm window: libhal.c 2282 : Error sending msg: No reply within specified time |
| 19:17.02 | DarkWingZE | what does this suggest |
| 19:17.12 | moshii | valdyn: make[5]: *** [/usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/nv/os-interface.o] Error 1 .. there a bunch of warnings and that fails |
| 19:17.17 | wols | DarkWingZE: kinda hard to say where it sends the message to. sorry no clue |
| 19:17.27 | kensai | DrNoboto, yep |
| 19:17.33 | DrNoboto | kensai: any luck? |
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| 19:17.56 | DarkWingZE | wols: i dont care where it is sending it to, just wondering what kind of error that is |
| 19:18.03 | kensai | DrNoboto, I will try with official drivers now |
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| 19:18.22 | DrNoboto | kensai: i used the official drivers with the patch and got them working |
| 19:18.24 | DarkWingZE | because it seems to stall my totem from running, which btw works fine after its been running |
| 19:18.32 | DrNoboto | kensai: but only until a reboot : / |
| 19:18.36 | kensai | DrNoboto, I will do it now whn I come back I'll report if it functions well |
| 19:18.52 | DrNoboto | kensai: for some reason when i reboot, the configuration gets messed up and xorg fails without error |
| 19:19.03 | DrNoboto | oh |
| 19:19.19 | moshii | DarkWingZE: it works fine after loading ... what's the problem? |
| 19:19.30 | DarkWingZE | it takes forever to load |
| 19:19.33 | DarkWingZE | 30 secs |
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| 19:19.37 | DarkWingZE | its unacceptable |
| 19:19.55 | moshii | DarkWingZE: fix it then, or report a bug |
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| 19:20.13 | DarkWingZE | moshii: how can I fix it when I dont know what is broken |
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| 19:20.40 | cahoot | DarkWingZE: test with a cd loadd |
| 19:21.05 | cahoot | DarkWingZE: err test with a cd inserted |
| 19:21.26 | madroach | Hi, it's probably a frequently asked question, but since a few days apt-get source always says "public key not found" (A965818F). What's wrong? |
| 19:21.38 | cureless | madroach: /topic |
| 19:21.57 | moshii | DarkWingZE: run it in a terminal and paste anything it spits out into google, it doesn't seem all that broken to me though |
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| 19:22.21 | cahoot | moshii: he just presented the libhal error msg |
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| 19:23.00 | moshii | cahoot: 30 seconds doesn't seem that long for a video player to be honest |
| 19:23.05 | valdyn | moshii: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=0e3834dfbe3ed83d1f8b591d72ba5a81&t=62021 |
| 19:23.15 | DarkWingZE | cahoot:dont have a music cd, and what does that have to do with totem hmmm |
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| 19:23.36 | DarkWingZE | I mean before it took like 4 secs |
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| 19:23.38 | cahoot | DarkWingZE: just put any cd in - to test |
| 19:23.39 | cureless | DarkWingZE: what is your problem again? toten takes too long to load? |
| 19:23.45 | DarkWingZE | yes |
| 19:23.47 | DarkWingZE | thats it |
| 19:24.10 | moshii | valdyn: cool, cheers |
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| 19:24.33 | jnco | hey folks |
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| 19:24.36 | DarkWingZE | just launching it takes around 30secs sometimes more |
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| 19:24.50 | DrNoboto | kensai: how'd it go? |
| 19:24.52 | cureless | DarkWingZE: for playing a movie or something? do other players lag? |
| 19:25.00 | kensai | DrNoboto, no luck |
| 19:25.03 | DarkWingZE | I have mplay |
| 19:25.09 | DarkWingZE | let me check |
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| 19:25.23 | DarkWingZE | mplayer even |
| 19:25.24 | DrNoboto | kensai: did you patch it? |
| 19:25.33 | DarkWingZE | vlc |
| 19:25.39 | jnco | hi |
| 19:25.41 | kensai | I can't seem to find the patch DrNoboto point me to it |
| 19:25.47 | DrNoboto | just a sec |
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| 19:25.56 | jnco | i like the name drnoboto |
| 19:26.18 | cureless | DarkWingZE: does it take long? Does it lag when you give the movie as an argument or just always by just typing totem? |
| 19:26.20 | DarkWingZE | yes same lag |
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| 19:26.37 | DarkWingZE | just typing totem, and vlc also lag, and produce error message |
| 19:26.38 | DarkWingZE | libhal.c 767 : org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply raised |
| 19:26.38 | DarkWingZE | "No reply within specified time" |
| 19:26.42 | loukaic | I've edited manualy Xfree86-config and then discovered that dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 didn't change anything on the file. I removed xserver and xfree86 and reinstall but it does the same thing. Any ideas please? |
| 19:26.50 | jnco | ok. i am still online. |
| 19:26.52 | DrNoboto | kensai: www.sourcemage.org/node/1546 <-- i think that's the method i used |
| 19:27.03 | moshii | valdyn: some chunks failed, but it's compiled now |
| 19:27.14 | jnco | wow i am still connected, i dont believe it |
| 19:27.16 | DrNoboto | kensai: for for some stupid reason debian fscks the installation when i boot |
| 19:27.22 | cureless | loukaic: did you read the comments in the config file? |
| 19:27.34 | jnco | ok simple question:... whats the apt-get to update debian |
| 19:27.35 | loukaic | no |
| 19:27.38 | MyNameIsRetro | Hi, does anybody know why hotplug insists on loading the lp module upon each boot? I've tried blacklisting lp directly in /etc/hotplug/blacklist as well as in a file in /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/, but it keeps loading it... |
| 19:27.39 | kensai | DrNoboto, hmm speaking of source mage I shall download it and test it. |
| 19:27.46 | cureless | loukaic: go do that. |
| 19:28.00 | Frem | "gcc -o voidx main.cpp 'sdl-config --cflags --libs'" returns "gcc: sdl-config --cflags --libs: No such file or directory", even though I have the libsdl1.2-dev package installed. Why? |
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| 19:28.07 | valdyn | MyNameIsRetro: why do you think its hotplug loading it? |
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| 19:28.17 | cureless | MyNameIsRetro: you probably have a serial port. |
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| 19:28.23 | nn- | MyNameIsRetro: you can simply remove the unneeded agents from the hotplug dir |
| 19:28.36 | jelly-ho | dpkg, tell jnco -about upgrade |
| 19:28.39 | cureless | DarkWingZE: so you just type "vlc" no arguments what so ever and it lags? |
| 19:28.48 | valdyn | Frem: use ` instead of ' or just use $() around the sdl-config stuff |
| 19:29.11 | cureless | brb |
| 19:29.24 | MyNameIsRetro | valdyn, where else could I be loading it? I've already disabled discover, and I'm not loading it manually in /etc/modules or any similar file. |
| 19:29.39 | DarkWingZE | yes |
| 19:29.48 | DarkWingZE | cureless: no arguments just typed vlc |
| 19:29.57 | astra-x | hey what happens if i use " #USE="X GTK" apt-get emerge ethereal |
| 19:30.00 | DarkWingZE | cureless: the same goes for totem |
| 19:30.01 | jnco | umm... apt-get upgrade and apt-get update .. pretty much did nothing,, maybe i have to set the apt-get server path somehow.. im on version 2.2.0 |
| 19:30.12 | madroach | cureless: I tried that. With the A965818F key. Did not help. The 2D230C5F is already available to apt. |
| 19:30.19 | jelly-ho | astra-x: meh? |
| 19:30.21 | Frem | valdyn: I'm not sure if that worked or not. Now I get "/tmp/ccyzWWiS.o(.eh_frame+0x11): undefined reference to `__gxx_personality_v0'" and "collect2: ld returned 1 exit status" |
| 19:30.50 | moshii | mm no luck with that :( |
| 19:30.56 | astra-x | i am kidding, i wanted to ask a gentoo question in #debian |
| 19:30.58 | MyNameIsRetro | cureless, are you saying a serial port requires lp? If so, what for? :-/ |
| 19:31.03 | valdyn | Frem: guess it worked, that error is off topic here, try #c |
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| 19:32.40 | valdyn | Frem: im not sure that order of options is ok, the file to be compiled ( main.cpp ) should be last i think |
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| 19:33.12 | valdyn | Frem: gcc -o voidx $(sdl-config --cflags --libs) main.cpp |
| 19:33.22 | xerophyte | Can the python replace bash for a system admin just wondering?? i mean completely .. if so which is easy one to do the system admin stuff |
| 19:33.29 | Frem | valdyn: dosen't matter. |
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| 19:33.41 | valdyn | Frem: finally cpp indicates c++ but gcc is not a c++ compiler, try g++ |
| 19:33.48 | unstable | xerophyte: ask in #python |
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| 19:34.26 | Frem | valdyn: I feel like an idiot. Yeah, g++ did the trick. Thanks. :-) |
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| 19:34.39 | jnco | idiot. |
| 19:34.41 | jnco | ;D |
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| 19:35.08 | jelly-ho | jnco: first update then upgrade. |
| 19:35.10 | madroach | Since a few days my apt-get source always says "public key not found". Are those missing keys maintainer keys? |
| 19:35.25 | valdyn | !topicsmite madroach |
| 19:35.26 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon madroach. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 19:36.09 | foo | When I move the wheel mouse on debian in fluxbox it scripts two workspaces instead of one, any ideas? |
| 19:36.24 | scarynetworkguy | cmihai: You suck!!! |
| 19:36.25 | valdyn | xerophyte: sure it can, doubt it makes things easier |
| 19:36.49 | madroach | valdyn: No, apt-key add is of no help since every source package is signed by different keys. |
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| 19:36.59 | jnco | apt-get RULES |
| 19:37.02 | cmihai | scarynetworkguy, do I? Last time I checked, I wasn't a VAX |
| 19:37.05 | jnco | GO APT-GET FOR THE WIN |
| 19:37.14 | jnco | YEA! |
| 19:37.17 | wols | cmihai: then you obviously lost out |
| 19:37.18 | cureless | madroach: try with the other key, just replace 2D230C5F with the other key (and for --export too) |
| 19:37.23 | scarynetworkguy | cmihai: Hehe. |
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| 19:37.27 | madroach | cureless: Tried that. |
| 19:37.30 | wols | jnco: can you please stop? |
| 19:37.38 | jnco | im excited |
| 19:37.39 | cureless | madroach: who gave you an error? |
| 19:37.52 | kensai | hmmm same great performance nvidia working flawleslly on kernel 2.6.16 yepiieeee!!!!!!! |
| 19:38.11 | moshii | kensai: how did you manage that? |
| 19:38.19 | nn- | i can't hear it anymore |
| 19:38.26 | cureless | madroach: "gpg --keyserver hkp://subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys A965818F | gpg --export A965818F | sudo apt-key add - " ? |
| 19:38.36 | cobratbq | k guys... it looks like i'm actually booting again... with a quite bit of manual intervention :P |
| 19:38.39 | madroach | cureless: gpg out of apt-get source gave the error. |
| 19:38.45 | kensai | patched nvidia.com driver with a patch available ayt source mage patch moshii |
| 19:38.56 | DrNoboto | kensai: have you rebooted yet? |
| 19:39.06 | kensai | DrNoboto, it worked great and I rebooted yep |
| 19:39.12 | DrNoboto | kensai: hmmph |
| 19:39.18 | valdyn | madroach: apt-get install debian-keyring debian-archive-keyring probably |
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| 19:39.40 | nn- | kensai: so you patched only the nvidia installer, not the kernel? |
| 19:39.42 | DrNoboto | kensai: it works right after i install it but after i reboot, i can't start X without commented out glx from xorg.conf... : P |
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| 19:39.53 | kensai | nn-, yep only the nvidia installer |
| 19:39.55 | eliteforce | when i try to execute that: "iptables -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT" i alwas get this error: "iptables: No chain/target/match by that name" why? |
| 19:40.27 | SlammerXP | eliteforce: it's because there's no chain, target or match by that name |
| 19:40.32 | kensai | DrNoboto, install rcconf and check if you have nvidia-glx enabled there |
| 19:40.33 | nn- | kensai: u still got the link to the patch? |
| 19:40.35 | eliteforce | SlammerXP: which name |
| 19:40.43 | kensai | nn-, just a sec |
| 19:40.49 | cureless | madroach: apt-key list shows both keys? |
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| 19:40.52 | SlammerXP | eliteforce: how would I know? I'm not looking at your computer. |
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| 19:41.04 | kensai | http://www.sourcemage.org/node/1546 is the link nn- |
| 19:41.05 | wols | the chain is "INPUT" |
| 19:41.10 | nn- | kensai: thx |
| 19:41.18 | eliteforce | INPUT does exist. |
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| 19:42.35 | moshii | mm I'll just use the nv driver until it works again |
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| 19:43.16 | DrNoboto | kensai: it's enabled...: / |
| 19:43.42 | madroach | cureless: It lists 1024D/2D230C5F, 1024D/A965818F and several others. But I believe that those keys gpg complains about are just maintainer keys. Is that a correct assumption? |
| 19:44.01 | kensai | hmm how rare only thing I might have different is that I don't use mkinitramfs I use yaird |
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| 19:44.14 | DrNoboto | kensai: i also used yaird :) |
| 19:44.23 | kensai | hmm very very rare |
| 19:44.31 | cureless | madroach: I don't really know since I don't know your exact problem. Do you have debian-keyring installed? |
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| 19:44.47 | multi_io | eliteforce: modprobe ipt_state |
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| 19:45.14 | madroach | cureless: yes, it's installed. |
| 19:45.30 | eliteforce | test |
| 19:45.30 | eliteforce | hello? |
| 19:45.30 | eliteforce | test |
| 19:45.44 | kensai | DrNoboto, try and do the same again then |
| 19:45.50 | moshii | kensai: yaird etc make little difference, they only get your system to a point that init can be started from your debian install |
| 19:46.01 | eliteforce | multi_io: module not found |
| 19:46.07 | DrNoboto | kensai: will do, i'll also try reinstall nvidia-glx just for the f of it |
| 19:46.09 | cureless | madroach: hmm, I don't know. I don't really use apt source. |
| 19:46.23 | multi_io | eliteforce: you'll need it, unless it's compiled into the kernel |
| 19:46.25 | kensai | DrNoboto, nah nvidia-glx is a waste of time |
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| 19:46.32 | eliteforce | multi_io: ok i install it |
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| 19:46.43 | jaaroo | hello there. Can I force kernel to print out it's messages into serial console as well? |
| 19:46.53 | kensai | DrNoboto, did you removed all nvidia packages from repo and leaved nvidia-kernel-common? |
| 19:47.10 | LSorensen | jaaroo: Not sure if you can have two consoles at once. You can certainly make a serial port be the console so all messages go there |
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| 19:47.44 | jaaroo | LSorensen: that would be enough? Is it possible in an early stage of boot as well? |
| 19:48.11 | kensai | nn-, are you still working on it? |
| 19:48.11 | LSorensen | jareth_: you can pass: console=ttyS0,57600 or something at the kernel command line |
| 19:48.13 | eliteforce | multi_io: i get this error with modprobe: "modprobe: Can't open dependencies file /lib/modules/2.6.8-022stab070.1-enterprise/modules.dep (No such file or directory)" |
| 19:48.19 | LSorensen | er jaaroo |
| 19:48.26 | LSorensen | jaaroo: not sure of any other method to do it |
| 19:48.34 | DrNoboto | kensai: i had everything working under 2.6.8 and then i built a 2.6.16 kernel and realized that the nvidia drivers weren't working anymore so i patched them and reinstalled them, i don't know if i have any nvidia packages installed... |
| 19:48.44 | LSorensen | jaaroo: I use it a lot since I have many serial only systems around |
| 19:48.45 | jaaroo | LSorensen: that should be good for me. |
| 19:49.06 | LSorensen | jaaroo: I also tend to set my boot loader to use the same port and speed |
| 19:49.08 | kensai | DrNoboto, install only nvidia-kernel-common |
| 19:49.25 | LSorensen | jaaroo: and the firmware/bios when possible |
| 19:49.29 | jaaroo | LSorensen: there is RedBoot inside my box. |
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| 19:49.54 | DrNoboto | kensai: do you which specific other ones i should check for? |
| 19:50.06 | jaaroo | LSorensen: so there is default speed I'll try to use. It also seems to support "default" kernel parameters compiled in the kernel image. |
| 19:50.26 | kensai | DrNoboto, you have linux-kernel-headers fro 2.6.16 right? |
| 19:50.29 | jnco | is woody cool? |
| 19:50.30 | attabui | any thoughts on when the official linux kernel howto will be back online, or is there a better / more recent one available? It's been the better part of a decade since I manually compiled one, blech. |
| 19:50.36 | DrNoboto | kensai: yeah |
| 19:50.57 | jnco | who here is down with woody? |
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| 19:51.10 | LSorensen | jaaroo: depends on the arch. |
| 19:51.14 | LSorensen | jaaroo: I know arm supports that |
| 19:51.15 | nn- | kensai: I'll patch the installer tomorrow. my nvidia card is in another machine |
| 19:51.28 | mbishop | Where can I get a debian package for mplayer? |
| 19:51.35 | LSorensen | jnco: woody is about to go unsupported. |
| 19:51.37 | DrNoboto | mbishop: apt-get install mplayer |
| 19:51.49 | nn- | mbishop: |
| 19:51.50 | nn- | deb http://tonelli.sns.it/pub/mplayer/sarge ./ |
| 19:51.51 | kensai | nn-, ohhh |
| 19:51.52 | cureless | mbishop: you need to google |
| 19:52.01 | LSorensen | jnco: no point using anything less than sarge anymore |
| 19:52.03 | DrNoboto | mbishop: sorry, i forgot it's not in the standard repos |
| 19:52.04 | mbishop | nn-: thank you |
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| 19:52.26 | cureless | mbishop: marillat (sp)..., does dpkg now? |
| 19:52.28 | cureless | !marillat |
| 19:52.28 | dpkg | it has been said that marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> <marillat.etch> <marillat.sid> |
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| 19:52.45 | Dwonis | What's the difference between debootstrap and cdebootstrap? |
| 19:52.56 | jelly-ho | c? <ducks> |
| 19:52.57 | eliteforce | hmm is it possible to allow packages travelling from other computers to my computer (i established the connection) without stateful iptables? |
| 19:53.15 | cureless | eliteforce: packages? |
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| 19:53.31 | eliteforce | tcp, udp |
| 19:53.42 | cureless | eliteforce: packets you mean. |
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| 19:53.50 | eliteforce | ah yeah xD |
| 19:53.53 | cureless | eliteforce: what is your question exactly? |
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| 19:54.06 | jaaroo | LSorensen: yes it is arm. |
| 19:54.20 | wols | and "travelling" in what way? NAT? |
| 19:54.30 | DrNoboto | kensai: i have the 2.6.16 headers. what then? : ) |
| 19:54.31 | jelly-ho | eliteforce: you could explicitely add ports. That's the way ipchains were used. |
| 19:54.43 | jnco | ok whats the easiest way to update from woody to sarge? |
| 19:54.49 | eliteforce | cureless: i have DROP as policy for INPUT, and i have a rule to allow ssh connection, now i want to e.g. connect to an irc server from that machine.. |
| 19:54.55 | kensai | DrNoboto, try again the instruction download latest package from nvidia.com |
| 19:55.04 | cureless | jnco: apt-get dist-upgrade after updating your apt.sources. |
| 19:55.08 | DrNoboto | kensai: i did that about 5 times |
| 19:55.20 | jmp_me | jnco: change from woody to sarge in sources list; apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 19:55.35 | DrNoboto | kensai: i'll just wait til the new nvidia drivers come out or 2.6.16.1 comes out... |
| 19:55.46 | kensai | I guess then DrNoboto |
| 19:55.53 | cureless | jnco: some people recommend a reinstall. If you can, do it, but it's not needed. |
| 19:56.00 | kensai | are you running sid DrNoboto? |
| 19:56.03 | jelly-ho | hmm, wasn't it suggested to use aptitude instead of apt-get for woody -> sarge transition? |
| 19:56.16 | DrNoboto | kensai: yeah |
| 19:56.19 | wols | jelly-ho: yes, cause woody apt has a bug which can happen |
| 19:56.37 | Dwonis | !dpkg, cdebootstrap is explained in http://bugs.debian.org/254248 |
| 19:56.37 | dpkg | Dwonis: okay |
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| 19:56.45 | kensai | DrNoboto, how rare that I can get it to work |
| 19:56.55 | cureless | eliteforce: just read up on firewall rules. What was your issue with stateful firewalling? |
| 19:57.19 | eliteforce | cureless: i cant load the module, the server provider doesnt allow that i think |
| 19:57.34 | DrNoboto | kensai: i don't know what effect talking to you had on my computer but i just uncommented glx and rebooted and it works : ) |
| 19:57.42 | tarzeau | http://www.linuks.mine.nu/stfu-noob.jpg |
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| 19:58.05 | cureless | eliteforce: which module? |
| 19:58.33 | DrNoboto | maybe reinstalling nvidia-glx actually did have some effect |
| 19:58.41 | eliteforce | cureless: ipt_state, it says it cannot find modules.dep and sudo depmod -a gives me: "depmod: QM_MODULES: Function not implemented" |
| 19:58.46 | wols | eliteforce: if you can set settings for iptables, why can't you load modules or compile your own kernel? |
| 19:58.57 | kensai | DrNoboto, I am a mage you know |
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| 19:59.04 | DrNoboto | =) |
| 19:59.06 | cureless | eliteforce: could it be that it's compiled in? |
| 19:59.13 | unstable | !woody->sarge |
| 19:59.13 | kensai | lol |
| 19:59.17 | jelly-ho | tarzeau: How about a nice cup of stfu is still somewhat nicer. |
| 19:59.25 | eliteforce | cureless: no, else the iptables command would work as it should |
| 19:59.28 | cahoot | eliteforce: wrong version of module-init-tools? |
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| 19:59.43 | DrNoboto | kensai: well thanks. |
| 19:59.47 | eliteforce | its a virtual server .. |
| 20:00.33 | tarzeau | jelly-ho: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg |
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| 20:00.43 | jelly-ho | lol pot! |
| 20:00.44 | B0neTruper | i don't have sound to my debian system what to do? |
| 20:00.55 | kensai | DrNoboto, yeah you are welcome for not knowing what I did to deserve youre thanks lol |
| 20:01.02 | wols | !alsa |
| 20:01.02 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard or see <alsa-checklist> |
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| 20:01.12 | cureless | eliteforce: I'm hungry, I'm heading out for lunch. But, if all else fails and you can only use what you've described, then just block the priviledge ports, open the higher ports and presto. I'll be back later. |
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| 20:01.29 | nn | hi |
| 20:01.31 | kronoz | B0neTruper: run alsaconf as root |
| 20:02.00 | unstable | !greet nn |
| 20:02.01 | dpkg | Hello, nn |
| 20:02.09 | nn | can xchat run as windows?? |
| 20:02.22 | B0neTruper | kronoz nothing happens |
| 20:02.25 | B0neTruper | it exits... |
| 20:02.26 | jelly-ho | nn: what? |
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| 20:02.40 | attabui | http://www.xchat.org/windows/ |
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| 20:02.57 | attabui | nn: xchat for windows: http://www.xchat.org/windows/ |
| 20:03.10 | attabui | (sry, erroneous paste above) |
| 20:03.10 | eliteforce | FATAL: Module ipt_state not found. |
| 20:03.19 | nn | thanks now my frends can have an irc client |
| 20:03.20 | kronoz | B0neTruper: apt-get install alsa-utils |
| 20:03.35 | kronoz | B0neTruper: apt-get install alsa-tools |
| 20:03.44 | kronoz | B0neTruper: not sure which |
| 20:03.52 | B0neTruper | alsa-utils are already installed |
| 20:04.00 | B0neTruper | ... |
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| 20:04.12 | nn | everyone else in the nabor hood dusent want to use debian |
| 20:04.17 | jms | ++ |
| 20:04.18 | nn | what a waste |
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| 20:04.40 | mhall | What command can I use to peel a page out of a PDF and put it into its own one-page PDF? |
| 20:04.41 | attabui | nn: you're saying that to the WRONG crowd |
| 20:04.48 | nn | of a great oprating system |
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| 20:04.58 | nn | y |
| 20:05.11 | nn | i love debian |
| 20:05.13 | attabui | nn: oh, nevermind, I misunderstood |
| 20:05.20 | nn | ok |
| 20:05.26 | mhall | attabui: what *did* he say? |
| 20:06.18 | cahoot | mhall: pdftk says it can do that |
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| 20:06.24 | D-fence | Hi all |
| 20:06.35 | mhall | cahoot: hmm |
| 20:06.49 | nn | i said that i offered to give the naborhod focks a "upgrade to linux-- debian" but they said no |
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| 20:07.03 | nn | so i think their mising out |
| 20:07.19 | nn | on a LOT |
| 20:07.31 | cobratbq | hey guys, I've got it running again with a little manual kickstart! |
| 20:07.34 | cobratbq | tnx for the pointers! |
| 20:07.38 | xerophyte | is there any open source solution like this one http://www.dualdesk.com/ ?? |
| 20:07.46 | D-fence | I need help compiling a module with m-a |
| 20:07.57 | el_ | hey all, im trying to emerge kdm, and it was going along, but then it crashed, and now NOTHIGN will install, and i cant apt-get install naything just gives dependance errors, and says do apt-get -f install, but that gives teh same errors |
| 20:08.06 | abrotman | xerophyte: yes and no |
| 20:08.13 | el_ | didnt crash, threw an error /\ |
| 20:08.21 | D-fence | each time I try to modify the makefile of the driver, m-a replace the Makefile with the original one ! |
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| 20:08.50 | jelly-ho | xerophyte: yes and no |
| 20:08.51 | jelly-ho | oh |
| 20:08.51 | xerophyte | abrotman, vnc you need to install the client .. but this one works out of the web browser |
| 20:08.55 | jelly-ho | !win abrotman |
| 20:08.55 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 20:09.42 | nn | hu that is werad what module are you trying to compile |
| 20:10.03 | mhall | cahoot: dude! thanks, that tool was awesome |
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| 20:10.26 | el_ | why cant i emerge anything? |
| 20:10.26 | nn- | xerophyte: that's the lamest website i have seen for quite a while :p |
| 20:10.27 | mhall | cahoot: pdftk section_4.pdf cat 38 output info.pdf |
| 20:10.28 | el_ | errr |
| 20:10.30 | el_ | apt-get install |
| 20:10.31 | el_ | bhahahha |
| 20:10.31 | attabui | vnc is a technology, not a company. There are many vnc servers available... some require a client, some have a web interface. |
| 20:10.36 | jelly-ho | xerophyte: the turnkey solutions cost $$ for a reason. It can be done with opensource _but_ you usually have to put the pieces together yourself. |
| 20:10.38 | nn | D-fence, what one |
| 20:10.39 | mhall | !gentoosmite el_ |
| 20:10.44 | mhall | el_: :-) |
| 20:10.48 | D-fence | nn: ipw2000 |
| 20:10.55 | xerophyte | jelly-ho, just wondering what do i need if i wanan setup open source |
| 20:11.01 | B0neTruper | i don't have sound what to do??? |
| 20:11.03 | xerophyte | nn-, do you know any open sourc edoes that |
| 20:11.05 | B0neTruper | rebuild kernel? |
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| 20:11.37 | mhall | emacs should not have an IRC client |
| 20:11.40 | mhall | that's just wrong |
| 20:11.44 | nn- | xerophyte: x11 / vnc |
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| 20:11.48 | nn | no i have onily had a working experince with m-a |
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| 20:11.57 | jeward | Okay, I am booting from the woody rescue floppy and I get multiple Uknown keyword in syslinux.cfg. |
| 20:12.07 | xerophyte | nn-, vnc you need to have the client or server unning on the remote .. this one works from web |
| 20:12.17 | el_ | mhall: but i also have access to the latest versions of software |
| 20:12.18 | abrotman | xerophyte: i'm aware of that |
| 20:12.18 | el_ | :P |
| 20:12.39 | nn- | xerophyte: i heard something about a webbased vnc client, but i am not sure |
| 20:12.42 | el_ | but...im on my gf's pc,a nd trying to get her back to fluxbox, because she deosnt liek kde, and im tryign to install kdm, instaed of xdm |
| 20:12.44 | abrotman | xerophyte: and it installs a big fat activeX/java client |
| 20:12.45 | el_ | but no luck |
| 20:12.45 | xerophyte | abrotman, so just wondering si there anything works .. with out no need to installation on the remote its for tech suppprot |
| 20:12.48 | el_ | nothign will install now |
| 20:13.03 | xerophyte | abrotman, which one |
| 20:13.11 | xerophyte | abrotman, you mean the dualdesk |
| 20:13.14 | abrotman | https://jxta-remote-desktop.dev.java.net/ |
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| 20:13.21 | abrotman | i get a cookie! |
| 20:13.29 | nn- | me too? |
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| 20:13.41 | abrotman | no |
| 20:13.44 | el_ | white chocolate macadamia nut? |
| 20:13.45 | abrotman | no cookie for you! |
| 20:13.48 | nn | i am anoyed at the debian net install disk onily alows Ext2 Fs!! i want ext3 |
| 20:13.49 | abrotman | !cookie abrotman |
| 20:13.57 | jeward | I'm getting multiple "Uknown keyword in syslinux.cfg" from Woddy 2.4 kernel floppy. |
| 20:13.59 | nn | the floppy |
| 20:14.02 | nkuttler | nn: convert it later |
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| 20:14.08 | nn | how |
| 20:14.32 | mdshort | Is there some type of proceedure that administrators must follow before enabling webservices? |
| 20:14.34 | nkuttler | nn: man tune2fs, add a journal |
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| 20:15.01 | nn | i havent found a floppy dist that will boot and do that |
| 20:15.19 | mdshort | !help security |
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| 20:15.33 | nn | cant be a tar / gz curnal relly slow startup |
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| 20:15.39 | nn | like 3 days |
| 20:15.46 | cureless | mdshort: it's the common sense procedure. |
| 20:15.54 | thingfish | mdshort: try /msg dpkg security |
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| 20:15.57 | nkuttler | nn: what are you talking about? |
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| 20:16.29 | bgat | can anyone tell me why, in sarge, I can print a test page from the CUPS web interface but I can't print from firefox? When I try, nothing seems to happen. Nothing in the jobs queue, etc. |
| 20:16.35 | wols | nn: neinst (or was it businesscared?) gave me reiser and xfs too I think. |
| 20:16.36 | nn | i thought you had to do it on a boot disk?? |
| 20:16.38 | mdshort | help security |
| 20:16.40 | wols | heck I installed woody on xfs / |
| 20:16.48 | abrotman | aren't you special |
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| 20:16.52 | el_ | anyone have an idea why everything is complainnig about dependenceis and telling me to do a apt-get -f install? |
| 20:16.56 | nn- | nn: you can easily convert ext2 to ext3 after installation |
| 20:17.00 | nn- | nn: using tune2fs |
| 20:17.05 | nkuttler | nn: iirc you can do it while it's mounted |
| 20:17.07 | valdyn | bgat: firefox should show you alternative printers, which one are you picking? |
| 20:17.07 | nn | this is a flooppy |
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| 20:17.21 | nn | great |
| 20:17.26 | cureless | el_: do apt-get -f install |
| 20:17.29 | bgat | valdyn: it only shows my networked printer (the only one I have), "samsunglpr". |
| 20:17.37 | el_ | cureless: i did, error |
| 20:17.39 | jetscreamer | well ... what cureless said |
| 20:17.44 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 20:17.44 | dpkg | [fix-unmet] run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once. then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, don't edit sources, don't select anything, just go to option 2 and hit enter a lot |
| 20:17.44 | jelly-ho | el_: a package broke during the installation. try to dpkg --configure it or dpkg --remove it if apt-get -f install does not work. |
| 20:18.05 | valdyn | bgat: dpkg -l cupsys-bsd |
| 20:18.10 | el_ | dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) |
| 20:18.12 | el_ | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 20:18.22 | el_ | k |
| 20:18.24 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 20:18.24 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 20:18.36 | bgat | valdyn: missing. think that's it? :) |
| 20:18.53 | valdyn | bgat: no, but i wanted this information anyway |
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| 20:19.12 | valdyn | bgat: the test page is printed from that remote printer or your local cups? |
| 20:19.31 | bgat | valdyn: well, I just apt-got cupsys-bsd. and apt-ungot lpr. :) |
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| 20:19.48 | el_ | k, apears to be downloading some packages |
| 20:19.52 | valdyn | bgat: lpr <somefile> to try |
| 20:19.53 | el_ | thanx for the tips guys |
| 20:20.01 | bgat | valdyn: my cups server is on my workstation, printer is on my LAN. I point my browser at localhost, select the printer, and hit print test page. |
| 20:20.08 | mdshort | why does apt handle dependencies so badly? |
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| 20:20.13 | nn | can you use tune2fs to convert a vfat partition to ext3 no hasal?? |
| 20:20.26 | nn- | nn: no way |
| 20:20.26 | Ronin | mdshort: wouldnt say it handles them badly |
| 20:20.32 | nn | ug |
| 20:20.45 | bgat | valdyn: lpr works (wondering now if firefox suddenly does, too) |
| 20:20.45 | mdshort | Ronin, well its defintely crusty. |
| 20:20.51 | nn | i was hopping otherwise |
| 20:20.57 | valdyn | bgat: firefox can optionaly use lpr anyway |
| 20:21.36 | valdyn | bgat: a cups printer in firefox should look like "CUPS/printername" |
| 20:21.47 | valdyn | bgat: ( not the lpr one ) |
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| 20:22.09 | nn | i have the same problem with mozilla |
| 20:22.23 | bgat | valdyn: so.... what's the fix? it just looks like "samsunglpr" |
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| 20:22.27 | nn | postcript/printer-main |
| 20:22.34 | nn | never works |
| 20:22.41 | valdyn | bgat: try to print |
| 20:22.43 | nn | in mozilla |
| 20:22.48 | valdyn | bgat: after restarting firefox... |
| 20:22.48 | nn | verry anoying |
| 20:22.52 | noideaatall | man i just didi something supid |
| 20:22.55 | noideaatall | stupid |
| 20:23.14 | cureless | you switched to geico? |
| 20:23.16 | noideaatall | i did an apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 20:23.20 | nn | is there a fix |
| 20:23.26 | noideaatall | and now xserver aint starting |
| 20:23.36 | valdyn | nn: cupsys-bsd is installed? |
| 20:23.46 | noideaatall | it says /etc/X11/X is not exceutable |
| 20:23.57 | nn- | .. |
| 20:23.57 | nn | outch!! |
| 20:24.07 | thingfish | hehe switched to geiko... |
| 20:24.09 | nn | that would hert |
| 20:24.16 | bgat | nn, valdyn: I just shut down firefox and did a ps to make sure nothing was hanging around. then I brought up mozilla, and printed a page (debian.org home page). the printer dialog said "Postscript/samsunglpr", but still no response. |
| 20:24.30 | bgat | nn, valdyn: cupsys-bsd was just installed about two minutes ago. |
| 20:24.49 | valdyn | bgat: is there another printer available from firefox or mozilla? |
| 20:25.02 | bgat | valdyn: nope, just that one. |
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| 20:25.09 | gib8 | hi |
| 20:25.13 | nn | no just main-printer |
| 20:25.23 | bgat | nn: huh? |
| 20:25.38 | nn | all the others also show up as post ciplt |
| 20:25.42 | nn | cript |
| 20:25.45 | gib8 | i currently try to get my pcmcia-wlan card runing with knoppix, and it detects a card with sit0 but its not working |
| 20:26.07 | valdyn | bgat: dpkg -l cupsys-client |
| 20:26.15 | nn | and lpr also dosent work |
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| 20:26.38 | nn | so we have been using the anoying kprinter |
| 20:26.42 | bgat | valdyn: ii cupsys-client 1.1.23-10sarge1 |
| 20:26.51 | nn | to print |
| 20:26.52 | bgat | nn: lpr works for me |
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| 20:27.15 | nn | well dus it work if the printer is remote |
| 20:27.21 | bgat | valdyn, nn: ooffice prints too. |
| 20:27.28 | nn | on a in house server |
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| 20:27.40 | noideaatall | any suggestions ? |
| 20:27.46 | bgat | nn: remote is the only printer I have. Postscript and PCL over LAN. CUPS server is on my workstation. |
| 20:27.46 | nn | y but that dosent use postcript |
| 20:27.50 | noideaatall | what should i do to get X working again ? |
| 20:28.08 | cureless | noideaatall: do you have X installed? |
| 20:28.10 | Neverther | news from world; http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/03/24/tuttle_centos/ |
| 20:28.19 | noideaatall | yes |
| 20:28.21 | noideaatall | its there |
| 20:28.39 | cureless | noideaatall: do apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 20:28.58 | nn | their must be a way to find the conflicting package noideaatall |
| 20:29.09 | noideaatall | it says its already to the newest version |
| 20:29.14 | noideaatall | another thing |
| 20:29.29 | noideaatall | its that after it downloaded everything and started installing and configuring |
| 20:29.39 | cureless | noideaatall: did it finish configuring? |
| 20:29.42 | nn | or it could be you display card, that was my onily problem |
| 20:29.43 | noideaatall | it asked me what kind of dialog layout i would like to use |
| 20:29.59 | B0neTruper | the debian installer can't find my dhcp server???!! i 've checked everything and it's fine |
| 20:30.01 | noideaatall | and i choosed KDE ... and after that i dialog, i got none |
| 20:30.19 | B0neTruper | other distros detect my dhcp, but debian installer does not |
| 20:30.24 | B0neTruper | what to DO? |
| 20:30.25 | noideaatall | i saw the lines saying it couldnt start kde when i think it wanted to ask for configurations |
| 20:30.40 | cureless | noideaatall: ... I see. you need to change that to dialog. |
| 20:30.58 | noideaatall | cureless: how do i do it ? |
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| 20:31.49 | bgat | valdyn: any more suggestions? |
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| 20:32.21 | cureless | noideaatall: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
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| 20:32.37 | Deep6 | guys is there anywhere where the list of installed packages is on the file system? |
| 20:32.39 | cureless | noideaatall: choose dialog |
| 20:32.39 | valdyn | bgat: /etc/init.d/cupsys restart and try again |
| 20:32.41 | Deep6 | as opposed to doing a dpkg -l? |
| 20:32.42 | NickStone | ciao a tutti |
| 20:32.44 | noideaatall | there it is ! |
| 20:32.51 | valdyn | bgat: im confused however that your firefox wont show more than 1 printer |
| 20:32.54 | cureless | noideaatall: then run the dist-upgrade again |
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| 20:33.06 | cureless | noideaatall: or apt-get -f install if that doesn't work |
| 20:33.07 | valdyn | bgat: but i dont have a sarge system available atm so i cant look this up properly |
| 20:33.09 | zinx | Deep: man dpkg |
| 20:33.20 | Deep6 | zinx, right o |
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| 20:33.38 | zinx | Deep6: under the FILES section of course |
| 20:33.43 | cureless | Deep6: do you want the list of packages? or where they are on your system? |
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| 20:33.56 | noideaatall | ok, i changed the dialog thing... but i guess i need to reconfigure all the packages it installed when i did the apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 20:34.00 | noideaatall | anyway i can do that ? |
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| 20:34.11 | noideaatall | like to configure everything again ? |
| 20:34.22 | ecdemo | Deep6: yes there is, but it's not in the simple form you're implying |
| 20:34.24 | cureless | noideaatall: run the command you ran again (apt-get dist-upgrade) |
| 20:34.33 | bgat | valdyn: where does firefox get the list of available printers from? |
| 20:34.37 | cureless | noideaatall: it probably didn't finish last time |
| 20:34.38 | nn | how are you talking naw noideaatall if x is not running |
| 20:34.47 | nn | now** |
| 20:35.04 | cureless | nn (s)he could be running on text mode or from a different computer. |
| 20:35.16 | Deep6 | /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 20:35.17 | Deep6 | works |
| 20:35.30 | bgat | valdyn: interesting.... I ran mozilla-firefox from the command line with strace, and I get this: lp: Unable to access "{MOZ_PRINTER_NAME" - No such file or directory |
| 20:35.35 | Deep6 | and /var/backups/dpkg.status.0 works for comparison |
| 20:35.37 | jnco | ok whats the easiest way to update from woody to sarge? |
| 20:35.40 | jnco | my friends |
| 20:35.44 | jnco | apt-get what? |
| 20:35.46 | jnco | =) |
| 20:35.47 | noideaatall | cureless : it dint wokr |
| 20:35.54 | noideaatall | nn: i am using a windows pc i have |
| 20:36.02 | Deep6 | cureless, I just needed to figure out what was on the system a couple of hours ago vs now |
| 20:36.06 | cureless | noideaatall: what didn't? did the command finish? |
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| 20:36.31 | ecdemo | jnco: www.debian.org installation manual has all that stuff in it, shows you more than just one way |
| 20:36.34 | nn | o ok that makes sence |
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| 20:36.42 | noideaatall | cureless: "apt-get dist-upgrade" upgraded some files ... but not all the files ... and didnt asked for any other configuration |
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| 20:37.03 | cureless | noideaatall: but it finished with no errors. |
| 20:37.11 | evilbulgarian | whats the way to display the hostname in the motd file ? |
| 20:37.18 | beetlepun | anyone can help me out with dhcp-server stuff? |
| 20:37.33 | noideaatall | yes . "apt-get dist-upgrade " finished with no erros ... just it didnt did what i wanted |
| 20:37.35 | noideaatall | lol |
| 20:37.55 | nn | well i think i did tha once |
| 20:37.59 | nkuttler | noideaatall: what did you expect it to do? |
| 20:38.02 | cureless | noideaatall: you can use dpkg-reconfigure to re configure many of the packages. |
| 20:38.12 | bgat | valdyn: I changed the printer command to: lp {$MOZ_PRINTER_NAME + '-d'} (was missing the '$'), and now I get "lp: unable to access '{samsunglpr' - no such file or directory" |
| 20:38.22 | nn | first you need to set that computer to a static ip adre |
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| 20:38.31 | nn | adress** |
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| 20:38.59 | noideaatall | nkuttler: i want it to ask me for all the configurations it didnt asked me when it did the dist upgrade ... because it couldnt start the engine i told it to use for dialogs |
| 20:39.01 | nkuttler | nn: are you talking about dhcpd? |
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| 20:39.15 | cureless | evilbulgarian: I don't remember if that's still done. I remember doing it in the past. I also remember some people generate motd dynamically. |
| 20:39.20 | noideaatall | cureless: any way to reconfigure them all at once ?... oneafter the other? |
| 20:39.25 | nn | somone asked how to do it |
| 20:39.31 | bgat | valdyn: interesting..... my Thunderbird printer command is totally different. |
| 20:39.42 | nkuttler | nn: why would that require a static ip? |
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| 20:39.54 | nn | just stating what i rember |
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| 20:40.14 | nkuttler | noideaatall: dpkg --configure --pending |
| 20:40.15 | ecdemo | beetlepun: maybe so, don't know, tell us all, the big and small |
| 20:40.25 | nn | so that you always conect to that as a sercer |
| 20:40.29 | nn | server |
| 20:40.29 | evilbulgarian | cureless: yeah im trying to figure out how to do that |
| 20:40.35 | evilbulgarian | cureless: need to add the hostname to it |
| 20:40.37 | bgat | valdyn: !w00t! that got it. apparently, my Printer Command in mozilla-firefox had gotten munged. |
| 20:40.40 | nn | makes things simple |
| 20:40.47 | cureless | noideaatall: nothing pops to mind to reconfigure all packages that have already been configured, try what nkuttler said. |
| 20:41.15 | cureless | evilbulgarian: are you sure motd is what you want to change? |
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| 20:41.24 | bgat | and the cupsys-bsd appears to have fixed ooffice. Yay! |
| 20:41.28 | cureless | evilbulgarian: and not the text displayed asking for a login? |
| 20:41.29 | noideaatall | "dpkg --configure --pending" didnt did nothing ... no error either |
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| 20:41.47 | nkuttler | noideaatall: then everything is configured |
| 20:41.48 | evilbulgarian | cureless: yeah motd so it gets displayed when sshing into it |
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| 20:42.03 | cureless | evilbulgarian: motd gets displayed _after_ you log in. |
| 20:42.21 | noideaatall | ok, then what could be the reason X is not starting ? |
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| 20:42.43 | blondie | there's a different message you can display before you login with ssh |
| 20:43.06 | el_ | how would i change it so that xdm starts fluxbox not kde? |
| 20:43.14 | nkuttler | noideaatall: search /var/log/XFree86.0.log for lines that start with EE |
| 20:43.24 | valdyn | el_: edit ~/.xsession |
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| 20:43.59 | cureless | evilbulgarian: anyway, just in case, take a look at man getty, that has what you were thinking of in the section ISSUE ESCAPES. |
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| 20:44.29 | jeward | Is there a set of woody CDs somewhere I can download? |
| 20:44.39 | valdyn | jeward: www.debian.org |
| 20:44.40 | blondie | woody? |
| 20:44.40 | jnco | www.linuxiso.org |
| 20:44.47 | ecdemo | probably. but why woody? |
| 20:44.48 | jeward | woody boot floppies don't see my PCMCIA ethernet adapter. |
| 20:45.06 | blondie | jeward: why not sarge? |
| 20:45.07 | jeward | sarge doesn't see my hard disk controller./ |
| 20:45.15 | noideaatall | ok, i got : (EE) xf86OpenSerial: CAnnot open device /dev/input/mive |
| 20:45.20 | el_ | valdyn: what if its not there? create it? |
| 20:45.20 | valdyn | jeward: funny idea that woody would see it then |
| 20:45.25 | ecdemo | it's the kernel in both cases |
| 20:45.26 | jeward | Woody does. |
| 20:45.33 | nkuttler | jeward: ... you need some additional floppy with drivers |
| 20:45.33 | jeward | Machine is circa 1995. |
| 20:45.34 | noideaatall | (EE) Generic Mouse: cannot open input device |
| 20:45.38 | valdyn | el_: yea, and 'exec /path/to/fluxbox' into it |
| 20:45.45 | el_ | thanx |
| 20:45.55 | cureless | jeward: sarge should see it, try different boot options. |
| 20:45.58 | noideaatall | (EE) PreInit failed for input device "Generic MOUSE " |
| 20:46.00 | nkuttler | noideaatall: /msg dpkg set up x |
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| 20:46.19 | nn | im acting as a debian dist. the dvd's,, bit turrent server |
| 20:46.25 | nn | on binarry 1 |
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| 20:46.29 | noideaatall | nkuttler : huh ? |
| 20:46.32 | cureless | noideaatall: that's an X issue. (you upgraded and X is looking for /dev/input/mice and you probably had /dev/psaux), reconfigure X |
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| 20:46.52 | jeward | Any way to get sarge to see my ahrd disk controller? |
| 20:46.55 | jeward | hard |
| 20:46.57 | nn | cilent type server |
| 20:47.03 | ecdemo | maybe |
| 20:47.07 | valdyn | jeward: have you tried linux26 at the bootprompt? |
| 20:47.12 | noideaatall | whats the package name i need to configure ? |
| 20:47.14 | ecdemo | what disk controller is it |
| 20:47.16 | nkuttler | noideaatall: did you say it worked before? |
| 20:47.23 | cureless | jeward: what is the error you get? try the 2.4 and 2.6 kernels, dissalble DMA, if necesary set the memory address for the controller. |
| 20:47.28 | jeward | valdyn: of sarge boot floppy? |
| 20:47.33 | noideaatall | not since i did "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 20:47.36 | nn | jeward, it relly depends |
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| 20:47.41 | valdyn | jeward: sarge has a boot floppy? |
| 20:47.44 | nkuttler | noideaatall: are you using sarge? |
| 20:47.50 | stew | !sarge floppies |
| 20:47.50 | dpkg | from memory, sarge floppies is http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitute your arch for i386 |
| 20:47.50 | valdyn | jeward: do you mean the cdrom? |
| 20:47.54 | noideaatall | yes ,sarge |
| 20:47.56 | jeward | cureless: I don't get an error on sarge, it just doesn't find my disk controller. |
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| 20:48.06 | nkuttler | noideaatall: why did you do a dist-upgrade? |
| 20:48.10 | jeward | valdyn: No bootable CDrom. |
| 20:48.13 | nn | i couldent get it to see my cdrom controlar because of an isa bridge |
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| 20:48.26 | nn | weard thing |
| 20:48.26 | valdyn | jeward: i see, guess sarge floppies dont have the 2.6 kernel |
| 20:48.27 | cureless | jeward: how do you know it doesnt? it has to give you an error saying "i can't find the disk controller", no? |
| 20:48.38 | noideaatall | nkuttler: i dont know ... it all started when i wanted to change to kde 3.5 |
| 20:48.46 | jeward | cureless: No partitionable medium found. |
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| 20:48.51 | noideaatall | but then there were alot of dependencies |
| 20:48.53 | noideaatall | and shit |
| 20:49.00 | valdyn | jeward: get a cdrom |
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| 20:49.06 | noideaatall | so i decided to do a dist-upgrade ... thougth it would be easier |
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| 20:49.20 | jeward | valdyn: I have the CDROM, but my machine cannot boot from CD. |
| 20:49.28 | nn | same problem here no boot cdroom |
| 20:49.28 | jnco | noidea: is that from woody to sarge? |
| 20:49.30 | jnco | or something else |
| 20:49.31 | valdyn | jeward: uh its that old? |
| 20:49.36 | valdyn | jeward: or are you shitting us? |
| 20:49.36 | nkuttler | noideaatall: you're not running sarge if you have kde 3.5 |
| 20:49.37 | jeward | valdyn: 1995. |
| 20:49.42 | valdyn | jeward: i see |
| 20:49.57 | noideaatall | i go sarge , and it came with kde 3.3 |
| 20:49.57 | nkuttler | !tell noideaatall about sed up x |
| 20:50.02 | nn | wish the old computers could suport it in their bios |
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| 20:50.04 | nkuttler | !tell noideaatall about set up x |
| 20:50.05 | himmelstrutten_ | hello! I would like to rip out the audio from a flash feature from a website - is that easily done? realplayer audio is easy to rip - but how is it possible with flash? |
| 20:50.08 | noideaatall | and i wanted to change to kde3.5 |
| 20:50.09 | valdyn | jeward: chances are bad that any debian will support your disk controller i guess if none of those bootdisks you used do |
| 20:50.11 | nkuttler | noideaatall: good luck |
| 20:50.12 | jeward | valdyn: I boot from sarge and it sees no hard drive. |
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| 20:50.18 | jnco | !tell jnco about set up x |
| 20:50.22 | jeward | valdyn: I boot from woody and it sees no ethernet. |
| 20:50.29 | valdyn | jeward: but you probably did something else wrong or you just have no harddisk or you just have not setup your harddisk in your bios |
| 20:50.53 | jeward | valdyn: I am replacing slackware on the machine. It was running this morning. |
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| 20:51.13 | valdyn | jeward: try debootstrap from slackware |
| 20:51.22 | valdyn | !debootstrap |
| 20:51.22 | dpkg | somebody said debootstrap was <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html |
| 20:51.29 | jeward | valdyn: to install debian? |
| 20:51.39 | DeJaMo | is it possible to edit fstab so that when I stick a cd in it automounts? |
| 20:51.41 | valdyn | jeward: you can probably ( and probably should at first ) keep the slackware kernel |
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| 20:51.50 | valdyn | jeward: yes |
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| 20:52.02 | jeward | valdyn: Too late, debian write the partition before anything else. |
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| 20:52.36 | avont_ | i compiled a c++ source file with g++, so there is now a a.out in the dir, but i can't run it, i typed ./a.out but it still won't work |
| 20:52.37 | weasel00 | !unstable |
| 20:52.38 | dpkg | rumour has it, unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use unstable, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid. see sid faq. |
| 20:52.40 | avont_ | please help |
| 20:52.58 | valdyn | avont_: what doesnt work? |
| 20:53.04 | ecdemo | avont_: won't work? why? |
| 20:53.10 | valdyn | !doesn't work |
| 20:53.10 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 20:53.29 | IYY | I'm trying to remove the package 'phpmyadmin' using apt-get, and it fails, saying "subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 127". How do I get rid of it? |
| 20:53.49 | hggs | !firefox |
| 20:53.49 | dpkg | hmm... firefox is the successor to Mozilla Navigator, or the best web browser EVER! apt-get install mozilla-firefox (just "firefox" for 1.5), or stew> greycat: echo "gtk-key-theme-name = "Emacs"" >> ~/.gtkrc-2.0 ; fixes the keybindings. see also <firefox support> |
| 20:53.53 | ecdemo | first find out why it's diverging |
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| 20:54.21 | valdyn | jeward: try to google some info about your hardware, which seems to be quite obscure.. |
| 20:54.25 | hggs | !testing |
| 20:54.26 | dpkg | A release phase between frozen (stable) and unstable. Etch is now testing. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Note that testing and security updates mix complexly. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. |
| 20:54.38 | nkuttler | IYY: fix the prerm script in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 20:54.43 | valdyn | jeward: as old as it seems to be maybe you can installed potato, but uh, im not so sure you'd want that |
| 20:55.11 | DeJaMo | /dev/cdrom /cdrom iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 20:55.11 | DeJaMo | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:55.31 | jeward | valdyn: My goal is to install sarge. |
| 20:55.32 | valdyn | DeJaMo: your fstab is ok, it doesnt do automounting though |
| 20:55.40 | IYY | nkuttler: what exactly should I fix in it? |
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| 20:55.49 | jeward | valdyn: Or I'll go back to slackware I guess. |
| 20:55.55 | nkuttler | IYY: the line that causes the error? |
| 20:55.55 | valdyn | jeward: right |
| 20:56.09 | nkuttler | IYY: put a set -x on the second line |
| 20:56.10 | cureless | jeward: try sarge again, use different kernel options |
| 20:56.11 | jeward | valdyn: I just like to have everything on the same distribution. Everything else I have is running debian. |
| 20:56.17 | DeJaMo | valdyn: yeah I'm trying to get it to automount, any suggestions, ideas? |
| 20:56.24 | jeward | cureless: What kernel options? |
| 20:56.37 | nkuttler | DeJaMo: autofs? apt-cache search automoiunt |
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| 20:56.45 | nkuttler | DeJaMo: automount even |
| 20:56.49 | valdyn | jeward: i would plug out the harddisk, install whatever in a different computer, plug it back |
| 20:56.59 | IYY | nkuttler: it now says "/var/lib/dpkg/info/phpmyadmin.prerm: line 12: db_get: command not found" |
| 20:57.01 | nn | bbs |
| 20:57.03 | valdyn | jeward: that's probably tricky if you dont know what you're doing |
| 20:57.07 | jeward | valdyn: It's a subnotebook. |
| 20:57.10 | cureless | jeward: the kernel has many options. Try to dissable dma, or if necessary specify the address ranges for the controller, etc. |
| 20:57.16 | menko | DeJaMo: I think that has more to do with the hal daemon than the fstab entry. The noauto is telling it not to mount at boot. |
| 20:57.27 | valdyn | jeward: same thing |
| 20:57.28 | Malagmyr | Can I get Apache to somehow relay requests sent to a specific vhost to an entirely different machine? Meaning, I have a server that's 192.168.2.2, it has a vhost that's working perfectly. However, I would like to move that vhost to 192.168.2.3 without changing the dns... if you understand. So any requests to that vhost will be sent to 192.168.2.3 transparently, and 192.168.2.2 sends whatever page 2.3 generates, back to the client. |
| 20:57.30 | weasel00 | what is the correct way to enter testing or unstable into the sources.list? "deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main unstable" gives error "couldnt stat pkg" errors |
| 20:57.34 | DeJaMo | nkuttler: ta, never came across apt-cache search command before |
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| 20:57.37 | Malagmyr | What am I looking for? |
| 20:57.39 | valdyn | jeward: just need an adapter to plug the disk into a desktop |
| 20:57.40 | IYY | nkuttler: oh, it's removed now. thanks :D |
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| 20:58.01 | jeward | valdyn: Something else I don't have I expect? |
| 20:58.10 | valdyn | jeward: guess so |
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| 20:58.27 | jeward | valdyn: I can see the disk, CD and floppy drives from tombsrtbt |
| 20:58.29 | itrebal | does KTorrent come with any certain package? I've been trying but... |
| 20:58.40 | DeJaMo | menko: yeah I read that somewhere about the at boot option, sadly hal daemon is still far above my current level of knowledge :) |
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| 20:59.32 | ecdemo | is tomsrtbt on a floppy? |
| 20:59.57 | jeward | ecdemo: Yes. |
| 20:59.58 | avont_ | hmm |
| 21:00.09 | avont_ | i don't know |
| 21:00.13 | avont_ | i typed it and it said: |
| 21:00.46 | tarzeau | abrotman: [Act: 19,102,152,520,815,835,870,888,937,980,1078,1192,1245,1261,1292,1327,1329,1330,1331,1343,1353,1362] |
| 21:00.50 | avont_ | sh: line 1: PAUSE: command not found |
| 21:00.53 | avont_ | thats what it saids |
| 21:00.54 | menko | DeJaMo: try apt-get install hal hal-device-manager . That's one method of automounting devices that I know of, not sure if there are any better ways |
| 21:00.58 | zinx | tarzeau: that's a lot of windows |
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| 21:01.06 | abrotman | tarzeau: maybe you sohuld use two irssis? |
| 21:01.08 | jeward | Maybe I'll try to put SLAX on it. |
| 21:01.08 | tarzeau | zinx: that's right |
| 21:01.15 | zinx | tarzeau: how do you select them? |
| 21:01.16 | tarzeau | abrotman: hehe guess how many i have? :) |
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| 21:01.22 | avont_ | i typed ./a.out and it said sh: line 1: PAUSE: command not found |
| 21:01.24 | tarzeau | zinx: /win and alt-a |
| 21:01.31 | tarzeau | zinx: ctrl n/p |
| 21:01.38 | valdyn | avont_: how did you compile that? |
| 21:01.47 | DeJaMo | menko: ok ta for that and all the other folks suggestions, you've given me a few places to start looking, much appreciated :) |
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| 21:02.11 | ecdemo | the a.out is not in binary format? |
| 21:02.11 | avont_ | valdyn: g++| |
| 21:02.18 | itrebal | does KTorrent come with any certain package? I've been trying to find it but its not working out (i've been apt-cache search'ing everything i can think of) |
| 21:02.25 | valdyn | avont_: g++| ? |
| 21:02.29 | valdyn | avont_: that is nonsense |
| 21:02.33 | ecdemo | file a.out says what? |
| 21:02.34 | avont_ | ...how? |
| 21:02.35 | stew | tarzeau: how do you possibly have more than 1000 windows? |
| 21:02.46 | avont_ | g++ is a c++ compiler for linux/unix |
| 21:02.51 | valdyn | avont_: g++ file.cc would make sense |
| 21:02.59 | avont_ | oh |
| 21:03.05 | avont_ | you mean how did i compile it |
| 21:03.07 | avont_ | i put: |
| 21:03.12 | avont_ | g++ test.cpp |
| 21:03.30 | tarzeau | stew: /j and /msg ? |
| 21:03.35 | tarzeau | stew: and /connect |
| 21:03.45 | valdyn | avont_: do that again and tell us the output |
| 21:03.50 | avont_ | ok |
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| 21:05.17 | duda | hola |
| 21:05.28 | jnco | newbie question whats the command to see the version |
| 21:05.30 | jnco | of debian |
| 21:05.34 | jnco | i forgot it |
| 21:05.41 | fingerD | Oops |
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| 21:05.51 | avont_ | avont@debian:~$ cd projects |
| 21:05.51 | avont_ | avont@debian:~/projects$ g++ test.cpp |
| 21:05.51 | avont_ | avont@debian:~/projects$ ./a.out |
| 21:05.51 | avont_ | sh: line 1: PAUSE: command not found |
| 21:05.51 | avont_ | Dopeavont@debian:~/projects$ |
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| 21:05.53 | ecdemo | there is a file /etc/debian_version |
| 21:06.01 | kingspawn | jnco: do uname -a |
| 21:06.02 | jnco | im still 2.2.0 |
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| 21:06.12 | jnco | =/ |
| 21:06.14 | avont_ | oops, sorry i flooded |
| 21:06.15 | jelly-ho | potato? |
| 21:06.16 | avont_ | hold on |
| 21:06.21 | kingspawn | avont_: what have you done in your code? |
| 21:06.26 | ecdemo | that's not what you asked for, which is version of -debian- |
| 21:06.30 | jnco | i changed my apt sources to sarge and ran the updates but still im not updated what am i doing wrong? |
| 21:06.30 | ecdemo | there is a file /etc/debian_version |
| 21:06.31 | avont_ | just hellow world |
| 21:06.33 | hcy | help please! for some reason, my cupsys got removed, i don't know how. I apt-got it back, and it's running now, but my printer isn't installed. I ran foomatic-gui which is how I set the printer up last time, but it won't start, it just says "Segmentation Fault". If I open the cups server in web browser (localhost:631) and try to install my printer in there, it gives me a list of a very few printer models I can choose from and no option to use |
| 21:06.33 | hcy | a specific ppd file, which is what i need. How else can I install this printer please? |
| 21:06.34 | avont_ | hold on |
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| 21:07.42 | avont_ | ok |
| 21:07.44 | avont_ | here |
| 21:07.47 | avont_ | http://pastebin.com/625784 |
| 21:08.15 | Malagmyr | Can I get Apache to somehow relay requests sent to a specific vhost to an entirely different machine? Meaning, I have a server that's 192.168.2.2, it has a vhost that's working perfectly. However, I would like to move that vhost to 192.168.2.3 without changing the dns... if you understand. So any requests to that vhost will be sent to 192.168.2.3 transparently, and 192.168.2.2 sends whatever page 2.3 generates, back to the client. What |
| 21:08.15 | Malagmyr | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:08.25 | kingspawn | avont_: i was rather looking for the code |
| 21:08.29 | kingspawn | you just pasted the errormsg |
| 21:08.53 | itrebal | Malagmyr: you probably want #apache |
| 21:08.58 | avont_ | i know how to write c++ code, there is nothing wrong with the code, its just hello world |
| 21:09.11 | ecdemo | file a.out says what? |
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| 21:09.34 | avont_ | why can't i run the a.out |
| 21:09.43 | beetlepun | avont_: chmod +x a.out |
| 21:09.45 | valdyn | avont_: run 'file a.out' |
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| 21:10.09 | ecdemo | yeah, what valdyn said :) |
| 21:10.10 | beetlepun | avont_, ./a.out |
| 21:10.11 | avont_ | ok |
| 21:10.18 | mfrisch | Is zope werth the learning curve? |
| 21:10.33 | ateoh211 | mfrisch: yes |
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| 21:10.37 | ecdemo | maybe... but I'll say the same about openacsw |
| 21:10.40 | ecdemo | -w |
| 21:11.13 | avont_ | http://pastebin.com/625784 |
| 21:11.15 | avont_ | oops |
| 21:11.17 | avont_ | hold on |
| 21:11.24 | avont_ | avont@debian:~/projects$ file a.out |
| 21:11.24 | avont_ | a.out: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.2.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped |
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| 21:11.25 | ateoh211 | mfrisch: the real question is, Is the debian package for zope a good idea...and that answer is no |
| 21:11.26 | beetlepun | mfrisch, probably, but now there's a good deal of good new type of servers similar to cfm which competes |
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| 21:11.38 | mfrisch | ateoh211: I have read the online book and starting my first site with it :-) It seems daunting right now! |
| 21:11.41 | avont_ | so whats the prob? |
| 21:11.41 | ecdemo | ok, so it is an executable |
| 21:11.46 | jnco | i have changed my apt source to sarge and i ran apt-get dist-upgrade and i see it run through a list and it remains 70 not upgraded, what do I need to do? =) My version is still 2.2.0 |
| 21:11.53 | valdyn | avont_: show the code |
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| 21:11.58 | ecdemo | how exactly are you trying to run it? |
| 21:12.16 | valdyn | avont_: and just run 'apt-get install build-essential' anyway |
| 21:12.21 | mfrisch | THANKS |
| 21:12.38 | avont_ | http://pastebin.com/625793 |
| 21:12.43 | avont_ | ok |
| 21:12.45 | ateoh211 | mfrisch: what would you like to do with zope? |
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| 21:13.08 | ecdemo | he's gone... |
| 21:13.36 | avont_ | couldn't find package buiild |
| 21:13.40 | avont_ | oh, wait |
| 21:13.41 | avont_ | holdon |
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| 21:14.18 | avont_ | its working |
| 21:14.30 | avont_ | why didn't any of the g++ tutorials say anything about installing a package? |
| 21:14.45 | valdyn | avont_: we dont even know what the error was yet |
| 21:14.55 | valdyn | avont_: so its certainly not yet time to blame a tutorial |
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| 21:15.33 | beetlepun | avont_, let me guess, cygwin? |
| 21:15.35 | avont_ | ok, i installed the package now what |
| 21:15.43 | ecdemo | openacs does most of the same things zope does, it has a few apis like zope must (otherwise how do you program in it?), it uses a db to store (in openacs case, choice between postgres and oracle), openacs has application and service packages you can install |
| 21:15.49 | valdyn | avont_: now compile your code again |
| 21:15.53 | hjubal | hi |
| 21:15.54 | avont_ | ok |
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| 21:16.17 | ecdemo | I've never tried zope; I'm assuming you can do the same things with it |
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| 21:17.33 | avont_ | said the same thing |
| 21:17.36 | avont_ | command not found |
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| 21:17.50 | sgeiger | Does anyone here want to respond to this? It is a rather negative critique of Linux on the desktop: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Murphy/index.php?p=559 |
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| 21:17.53 | beetlepun | avont_, are you using cygwin? |
| 21:17.53 | kingspawn | can we please see the code now? |
| 21:17.57 | ecdemo | it sounds like a shell is running it |
| 21:18.38 | avont_ | no im not using cygwin |
| 21:18.40 | avont_ | im using g++ |
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| 21:19.05 | Ronin | sgeiger: older then dirt |
| 21:19.07 | avont_ | oh |
| 21:19.08 | avont_ | wait |
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| 21:19.11 | ecdemo | avont_: dude, come on... why are you witholding information? |
| 21:19.11 | avont_ | i see something |
| 21:19.21 | avont_ | my program was supposed to say "dope" |
| 21:19.21 | beetlepun | avont_, type which a.out |
| 21:19.22 | avont_ | it did |
| 21:19.27 | kingspawn | my thoughts exactly.. |
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| 21:19.36 | avont_ | it was in the terminal though |
| 21:19.45 | ecdemo | in the terminal? |
| 21:19.49 | avont_ | ohhg |
| 21:19.52 | ecdemo | what are you in? |
| 21:19.53 | avont_ | now i know what was wrong |
| 21:19.59 | beetlepun | avont_ cmdline i meant was "$which a.out" |
| 21:20.04 | avont_ | i put the system("PAUSE") in the copde |
| 21:20.09 | avont_ | it doens't understadn that |
| 21:20.12 | ecdemo | ohhh |
| 21:20.15 | ecdemo | gotcha |
| 21:20.21 | js_ | avont_: there is no PAUSE program |
| 21:20.21 | avont_ | is that namespace std? |
| 21:20.22 | beetlepun | avont_, PAUSE , yes I noticed.. |
| 21:20.25 | kingspawn | avont_: for an hour we asked to se the code. |
| 21:20.32 | kingspawn | blame yourself. |
| 21:20.34 | avont_ | or iostream or isn't it cstlib or one of them |
| 21:20.41 | avont_ | sorry |
| 21:20.42 | js_ | avont_: system tries to execute it's argument using /bin/sh |
| 21:20.43 | ecdemo | always ALWAYS check the return value of syscalls and lib funcs!! |
| 21:20.49 | avont_ | im use to windows c++ programming |
| 21:20.56 | avont_ | with an IDE |
| 21:21.01 | js_ | avont_: in windows, pause is a command |
| 21:21.01 | kingspawn | heh |
| 21:21.04 | avont_ | its weird compiling from a shell |
| 21:21.04 | kingspawn | no worries |
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| 21:21.17 | beetlepun | avont_, no, I think you're looking on how to program on Dos.. pause is a cmd-line interpreter cmd for dos |
| 21:21.20 | kingspawn | but when asking help, post the code if asked. its not an attack on your c++ skill, its just to be sure. |
| 21:21.22 | zinx | avont_: try eclipse or something |
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| 21:21.29 | ecdemo | avont_: next, learn about make and how to write makefiles |
| 21:21.34 | avont_ | pause is for c++ too |
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| 21:21.41 | valdyn | avont_: so that is your code that "only" does helloworld but incidentally tries to call a nonexistant PAUSE command uh? |
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| 21:21.49 | avont_ | system("PAUSE") pauses the program until the user hits a key |
| 21:21.50 | zinx | avont_: system("..."); is not for running C stuff |
| 21:21.53 | js_ | avont_: no, pause has nothing to do with c++, you should join ##c++ and let them explain it to you |
| 21:21.55 | ecdemo | but not necessarily "system("pause") |
| 21:21.57 | ecdemo | " |
| 21:21.57 | avont_ | omfg |
| 21:22.02 | zinx | avont_: use a scripting language if you just want to run system commands |
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| 21:22.07 | kingspawn | avont_: use something like cin.get() |
| 21:22.08 | avont_ | OMFG |
| 21:22.14 | avont_ | i know how to c++ program |
| 21:22.20 | avont_ | don't you know there is a system pause func |
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| 21:22.31 | _rene_ | which does something else. |
| 21:22.32 | kingspawn | avont_: you are on thin ice now |
| 21:22.33 | zinx | !troll avont_ |
| 21:22.35 | valdyn | avont_: geez |
| 21:22.43 | js_ | oh my |
| 21:22.47 | kingspawn | avont_: best just accept and calm down |
| 21:22.49 | _rene_ | it juust pauseses. without wating for keystrokes |
| 21:22.56 | levander | Trying to install a package and getting this error from apt-get: "Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/)" Anybody know what's causing it? |
| 21:23.02 | _rene_ | if that's what you want using pause() is wrong |
| 21:23.06 | jetscreamer | you're not root |
| 21:23.11 | jetscreamer | levander: |
| 21:23.13 | jetscreamer | ^^ |
| 21:23.13 | zinx | avont_ brings this article to mind: http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=406 |
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| 21:23.32 | jetscreamer | or you have another upgrade/install proces going |
| 21:23.57 | avont_ | rene: i only use pause because it pauses the program until a keystrikoke but it didn't work because i didn't include a library, don't tell me how to code in c++ |
| 21:23.57 | beetlepun | zinx, I think someone is going to "pause" for at least a moment :) |
| 21:23.59 | zinx | amusingly, I saw a "C++" program recently that was just used it as a scripting language.. it even used system("cls"); to clear the screen |
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| 21:24.04 | avont_ | im not some noob looking to program |
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| 21:24.19 | _rene_ | avont_: it does not pause the program until a keystroke |
| 21:24.20 | levander | jetscreamer: 'ps -ef | grep apt' and 'ps -ef | grep dpkg' show no other processes |
| 21:24.22 | ateoh211 | is there a way to log grub errors, in such a case as a kernel panic? (this is for a remote server) |
| 21:24.23 | kingspawn | avont_: then shut the f... up and stop askin c++ questions in here |
| 21:24.24 | js_ | avont_: PAUSE IS A WINDOWS COMMAND THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH C++ |
| 21:24.24 | js_ | jesus |
| 21:24.29 | avont_ | .... |
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| 21:24.35 | _rene_ | avont_: RTF manpage of pause(). it just DOES PAUSE THE PROGRAM |
| 21:24.39 | _rene_ | UNCONDITIONALLY |
| 21:24.41 | beetlepun | avont_, I think you can't even tell the difference between a CLI and a cursor |
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| 21:24.45 | jetscreamer | WHAT? |
| 21:24.55 | _rene_ | nothing to do with keystrokes |
| 21:25.07 | weasel00 | :) |
| 21:25.10 | jetscreamer | levander: well it's either one of the two i said, or something else :/ |
| 21:25.15 | valdyn | avont_: using system("PAUSE") is one of the most stupid ways to do this in C++ ) |
| 21:25.17 | kingspawn | the fact that you resisted posting your code for an ETERNITY tells us otherwise. |
| 21:25.32 | ecdemo | avont_: (1) the problem you were experiencing had nothing to do with your ability to code... (2) you were being very uncooperative and uninformative, even refusing to answer questions put to you in order to help you |
| 21:25.45 | avont_ | http://www.gamingw.net/tutorials/501 |
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| 21:25.49 | avont_ | go ahead and read it..REWD IT |
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| 21:25.52 | avont_ | read* |
| 21:25.54 | levander | jetscreamer: you only said one about their possibly being another update going, what was the other one? |
| 21:25.58 | avont_ | http://www.gamingw.net/tutorials/501 |
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| 21:26.16 | kingspawn | mheh |
| 21:26.20 | zinx | !ops avont_ is either horrendously ignorant or a troll |
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| 21:26.22 | ecdemo | avont_: perhaps if you want to be considered as easy/fun to help, you owe an apology |
| 21:26.29 | weasel00 | !beer everyone to calm them down |
| 21:26.32 | valdyn | avont_: that is one horrible tutorial indeed |
| 21:26.35 | js_ | avont_: why don't you read what the system() function does? maybe then you will realize there is no PAUSE program in linux and understand the error you get when tryingto run your program |
| 21:26.38 | jmp_me | where do i change mouse settings? so right click becomed left and vice versa? Xorg.conf? |
| 21:26.44 | jetscreamer | levander: you're not root |
| 21:27.00 | kingspawn | avont: claiming to know how to code c++, and referring to some crazy gaming-something tutorial is indeed nifty |
| 21:27.17 | avont_ | js: the only...reason...that i got the error was because i DIDN"T INCLUDE THE LIBRARY how many times do i have to say that |
| 21:27.20 | ateoh211 | wow, someone refined Yuengling lager? it's about time someone made it not crap! |
| 21:27.21 | levander | jetscreamer: no, i just ran it again as root, not it either |
| 21:27.22 | ecdemo | avont_: you can't afford my rate of helping you when you are beligerant |
| 21:27.25 | beetlepun | avont_: docs.rinet.ru |
| 21:27.32 | `newbie` | I have done a serious problem by mistake , as root I issues "chown -R myuser / home/myuser/somedir" |
| 21:27.43 | kingspawn | mheh |
| 21:27.45 | kingspawn | this is just great |
| 21:27.50 | levander | jetscreamer: usually applications create a file on the filesystem when they lock another file, i might just need to delete that file, if i knew it's name |
| 21:27.50 | valdyn | avont_: does it work after you include that magic library? |
| 21:28.01 | `newbie` | with a space between the leading "/" and the following charachter |
| 21:28.16 | beetlepun | avont_, if you want better programming explanations check out wikibooks.org and wikipedia.org |
| 21:28.20 | ecdemo | system("...") does not require loading any lib |
| 21:28.30 | `newbie` | any suggestions for a way to fix the ownership and permissions of the systems back ? |
| 21:28.31 | ecdemo | (so that part is... yep... WRONG) |
| 21:28.45 | beetlepun | avont_, avoid ambiguous bloggers that don't know anything about proper coding |
| 21:28.48 | weasel00 | kingspawn : when did this turn into the screaming C++ channel? |
| 21:28.48 | avont_ | If you do not understand any of the code it does not matter, you will learn soon enough. All you really need to know is that the system("PAUSE") statement will pause the console so you have a chance to see output from the application. |
| 21:28.50 | wols | ecdemo: needs libc I'd say :) |
| 21:28.51 | valdyn | ecdemo: ...which im waiting for him to cry about |
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| 21:28.56 | avont_ | http://www.syntaxguru.com/devcpp-en.html |
| 21:29.03 | kingspawn | weasel00: i'd like to say "exactly" |
| 21:29.04 | avont_ | go ahead and read it mister c++ guru |
| 21:29.12 | kingspawn | weasel00: but i have been participating, so... :| |
| 21:29.12 | azeem | avont_: please drop this |
| 21:29.20 | jetscreamer | perhaps you should do this in #c++ avont_ |
| 21:29.22 | zinx | i wonder if avont_ is from tuttle |
| 21:29.23 | azeem | this is not a general programming help channel |
| 21:29.24 | wols | avont_: you do too much windows stuff. where is a "PAUSE" in linux? |
| 21:29.31 | ryan` | where the heck does cron store user's crontabs? |
| 21:29.34 | avont_ | i can't believe this guy, he is gonna tell me that its not part of c++, when i've done it hundreds of timnes |
| 21:29.42 | _rene_ | avont_: ON WINDOWS |
| 21:29.43 | kingspawn | weasel00: he was posing the question as if it was a debian question, refusing to post his source code, which would have revealed the problem in an instant.. |
| 21:29.44 | azeem | avont_: I said, please drop this |
| 21:29.46 | valdyn | avont_: stop it, both these tutorials are showing off windows / dos centric behaviour of ( bad style ) C++ |
| 21:29.47 | js_ | avont_: in windows, yeah |
| 21:29.50 | avont_ | ... |
| 21:29.51 | _rene_ | avont_: you RAN THE "PAUSE" COMMAND |
| 21:29.53 | azeem | and you guys as well |
| 21:29.53 | _rene_ | ON WINDOWS |
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| 21:29.56 | avont_ | you mean it doens't work on linux? |
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| 21:29.59 | azeem | _rene_: chill |
| 21:30.00 | _rene_ | THERE IS NO FUCKING PAUSE COMMAND ON LINUX |
| 21:30.05 | js_ | haha |
| 21:30.05 | azeem | _rene_: chill |
| 21:30.06 | beetlepun | jmp_me makes me laugh hahaha .. mouse settings? (psst.. I heard in Xorg.conf there's a possibility hmm x.org? ) |
| 21:30.06 | avont_ | rene: shut up |
| 21:30.08 | kingspawn | avont_: there is no doubt, it is not part of "c++" |
| 21:30.09 | jetscreamer | NAME |
| 21:30.10 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.10 | zinx | !ops avont_. seriously. |
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| 21:30.13 | jetscreamer | actually there is |
| 21:30.15 | jetscreamer | man pause |
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| 21:30.23 | zinx | jetscreamer: there's no PAUSE, however :D |
| 21:30.24 | _rene_ | AND WHAT SYSTEM() DOES IS JUST EXECUTING WHAT IS GIVEN TO IT; iN THIS CASE "PAUSE" |
| 21:30.25 | valdyn | jetscreamer: thats not in caps |
| 21:30.27 | js_ | jetscreamer: a system call, not a program |
| 21:30.30 | avont_ | cstlib: system pause is a part of c++ |
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| 21:30.34 | wols | avont_: PAUSE is a dos command.com batch command that doesn't exist in linux, when have you last seen a linux command all in uppercase? |
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| 21:30.41 | azeem | _rene_: please stop screaming |
| 21:30.46 | avont_ | try it on windows and it will work |
| 21:30.53 | d0ug | how can i process nslookups of all ips in an apache2 access log? |
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| 21:30.55 | zinx | avont_: no one is disputing that |
| 21:31.01 | avont_ | wols: ok, i didn't know |
| 21:31.03 | weasel00 | windows <> *nix |
| 21:31.07 | js_ | avont_: it will work on windows because, liek everybody says, pause is a windows command |
| 21:31.12 | avont_ | oh |
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| 21:31.18 | _rene_ | avont_: we just told you that a dozen times |
| 21:31.19 | levander | d0ug: write a script |
| 21:31.19 | beetlepun | avont_ you s** up, if you don't know what a CLI is, then wikipedia it..then compare bash and dos.. the fact is you can't program, stop arguing about it, we can tell.. |
| 21:31.20 | avont_ | i thought it was part of c++ |
| 21:31.30 | kingspawn | haha, this discussion just blew up the channel |
| 21:31.30 | valdyn | avont_: try running "man 3 system" |
| 21:31.32 | kingspawn | great fun |
| 21:31.33 | d0ug | ahh that's it thanks levander |
| 21:31.34 | jelly-ho | or in *nix terms, "pause" is a cmd.exe builtin. |
| 21:31.35 | ecdemo | _rene_: maybe you'd do well to ignore him |
| 21:31.36 | js_ | avont_: system() is standard C |
| 21:31.43 | avont_ | beetle: im new at programming on linux |
| 21:31.50 | azeem | avont_: then please read a book |
| 21:31.53 | zinx | king: he's skilled at trolling geeks |
| 21:31.57 | avont_ | beetlepun: you really need to shut your fuckin mouth |
| 21:32.00 | azeem | this is not a general programming help channel |
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| 21:32.06 | avont_ | ok |
| 21:32.08 | weasel00 | !beer weasel00 and kingspawn |
| 21:32.09 | azeem | avont_: and watch your language |
| 21:32.11 | wols | avont_: "system" probably is a part of C (not C++!) standard library even if I'M not really 100% sure. but all it does is running the default shell. |
| 21:32.12 | kingspawn | avont_: be sure to note that "c++" is not "windows c++" |
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| 21:32.36 | avont_ | kingsspawn: so c++ is wayy different than c++ in windows, how much dif? |
| 21:32.41 | jmp_me | beetlepun: laugh on, you're not helping. an effect of not even knowing the answer |
| 21:32.41 | ecdemo | he's evidently a troll, that will not stop |
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| 21:32.43 | escalade | hi |
| 21:32.43 | jetscreamer | how do i get visual basic to run in bash? |
| 21:32.48 | js_ | avont_: c++ is the same everywhere |
| 21:32.49 | wols | weasel00: why? have you alerted ##C and ##C++? if so: naughty boy |
| 21:32.50 | avont_ | yes |
| 21:32.52 | avont_ | exactly |
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| 21:32.55 | kingspawn | avont_: post this to comp.lang.c++ and probably stroustrup himself will regulate you. |
| 21:32.55 | beetlepun | avont_, I think you should define yourself as a masquerade.. we can tell you're a newbie.. I already gave you 4 links to help you out with your programming, so no, you stfu |
| 21:32.55 | _rene_ | avont_: if you use standard stuff, nothing worth mentioning |
| 21:33.14 | _rene_ | avont_: if you use windows/dos only stuff llike trying to execute "PAUSE", well... |
| 21:33.15 | escalade | to update all packages is the command apt-get -u upgrade the right one? |
| 21:33.19 | wols | jetscreamer: for the thought alone you should be stoned to death |
| 21:33.27 | avont_ | alright, well, now i know |
| 21:33.28 | weasel00 | wols : why you dragging me into this... im sitting back laughing watching the chaos ensue =) |
| 21:33.29 | loukaic | I'm trying to install java i followed the instructions and downloaded the java-package and the java binary when i do fakeroot make-jpkg "binary" it comes up with Loading plugins: blackdown-j2re.sh blackdown-j2sdk.sh common.sh ibm-j2re.sh ibm-j2sdk.sh j2re.sh j2sdk.sh j2se.sh sun-j2re.sh sun-j2sdk.sh |
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| 21:33.33 | js_ | avont_: but "pause" is a windows command, and what system() does is execute what you pass it as a command |
| 21:33.34 | loukaic | dpkg-architecture: failure: dpkg --print-installation-architecture filed: Permission denied |
| 21:33.39 | kingspawn | escalade: i dont think you need the -u option |
| 21:33.43 | `newbie` | I have accidently modified the ownership and permission of all the system binaries , libraries , config files , ..etc. is there a way to restore the permissions ? |
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| 21:33.44 | levander | you guys getting angry over avont_ look stupider than avont_ does, just ignore him if you think he's troll - i haven't read enough of his comments to know |
| 21:33.45 | escalade | cant see if it stays in testing and doesnt go back to stable or something like that |
| 21:33.46 | js_ | avont_: it's like doing system("ls"); on windows, it won't work |
| 21:33.48 | jetscreamer | apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade, after apt-get update |
| 21:33.49 | avont_ | bettlepun: stop callin people a noob, your a noob, so just shut the **** up, no one is talkin to you |
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| 21:33.51 | avont_ | oh, ok |
| 21:33.53 | loukaic | what am i doing wrong here? |
| 21:34.03 | valdyn | !rofl |
| 21:34.03 | dpkg | methinks rofl is Rolling Over Fat Lesbian, or a Really Old Fat Lesbian |
| 21:34.04 | kingspawn | this is the greatest discussiojn ever |
| 21:34.11 | kingspawn | next to my starting a moral discussion in ##c |
| 21:34.15 | avont_ | alright its over |
| 21:34.18 | kingspawn | that just exploded |
| 21:34.19 | beetlepun | avont_, I already said, "I noticed" .. PAUSE.. maybe you ought to for the moment |
| 21:34.19 | jetscreamer | yay |
| 21:34.36 | jmp_me | jetscreamer: you can translate the vb runtime to any language ported to linux. |
| 21:34.36 | azeem | is there any sense in continueing the discussion? |
| 21:34.39 | beetlepun | wow.. |
| 21:34.40 | weasel00 | kingspawn : i would have been sitting back laughing just like now infact lol |
| 21:34.47 | avont_ | bettlepun why do you hate me |
| 21:34.48 | kingspawn | azeem: never :) |
| 21:34.51 | wols | azeem: no |
| 21:34.53 | kingspawn | weasel00: haha, yes, it was completely insane |
| 21:35.02 | avont_ | yes im a c++ noob, but i know a lot of the basic stuff |
| 21:35.09 | weasel00 | wols : why you dragging me into this... im sitting back laughing watching the chaos ensue =) |
| 21:35.13 | ecdemo | avont_: /help newuser, then /help ignore, then ignore him |
| 21:35.14 | azeem | avont_: this is a Debian support channel |
| 21:35.19 | stew | avont_: can you please take the c++ discussion elsewhere |
| 21:35.21 | moshii | avont_: I suggest ##c++ |
| 21:35.25 | azeem | not general programming help |
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| 21:35.37 | wols | moshii: they will shred him there poor guy |
| 21:35.41 | avont_ | i've already been to ##c++ |
| 21:35.44 | moshii | wols: so be it |
| 21:35.47 | beetlepun | avont_:#bash would laugh at you, you should at least respect the input others give to you |
| 21:35.48 | azeem | avont_: so if you continue this C++ discussion, we will be forced to silence you |
| 21:35.52 | kingspawn | avont_: comp.lang.c++ |
| 21:35.52 | avont_ | ok |
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| 21:35.53 | azeem | beetlepun: dude |
| 21:35.53 | avont_ | sorry |
| 21:35.57 | avont_ | i stop with the c++ talk now |
| 21:36.06 | beetlepun | azeem, ahem, I have no objection to that.. |
| 21:36.12 | azeem | beetlepun: could you please /ignore avont_ or something, but not continue all the time? |
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| 21:36.33 | js_ | i actually think i got through to him.. in the end |
| 21:36.35 | weasel00 | so there i was at fortran camp and...... =) |
| 21:36.37 | avont_ | sorry |
| 21:36.58 | js_ | weasel00: hehe |
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| 21:37.30 | avont_ | how do i enable the hald service? i need to in order to click on removable drives and media |
| 21:37.50 | deadcat | avont_: is it isntalled? |
| 21:37.55 | mirak | is there some command line tool to convert a text file to utf8 ? |
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| 21:37.57 | avont_ | yes |
| 21:38.01 | avont_ | and its up to date |
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| 21:38.18 | ecdemo | if it's a debian package, it would start hald |
| 21:38.24 | deadcat | avont_: check /etc/default/ see if theres a hald file there. |
| 21:38.25 | avont_ | well, its installed |
| 21:38.33 | moshii | mirak: I think if it's ascii it's basically already utf |
| 21:38.36 | avont_ | and its in /usr/sbin/hald |
| 21:38.38 | ecdemo | see if it's running (ps aux) |
| 21:38.39 | avont_ | but i can't run it |
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| 21:38.48 | deadcat | avont_: you run it as root. |
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| 21:38.56 | avont_ | i tried that |
| 21:38.57 | weasel00 | kingspawn : serves me right.. was laughing so hard i f***ed my deb install... now where did i put my floppies =) |
| 21:38.58 | deadcat | avont_: it should be /etc/init.d/hald restart |
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| 21:39.09 | ecdemo | it's probably running now |
| 21:39.15 | ecdemo | you should check |
| 21:39.17 | avont_ | its not |
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| 21:39.29 | stew | mirak: iconv --from-code=ISO-8859-1 --to-code=UTF-8 filename > newfilename |
| 21:39.33 | deadcat | avont_: it should be /etc/init.d/hald restart |
| 21:39.41 | avont_ | i can't click on removable drives and media because the haldn service is not enabled |
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| 21:39.44 | avont_ | ok |
| 21:39.51 | kingspawn | weasel00: hahah, these kinds of discussions are extremely dangerous :)) |
| 21:39.55 | jetscreamer | !hal |
| 21:39.55 | dpkg | hmm... hal is a Hardware Abstraction Layer from freedesktop.org, which gives desktop software a programmatic way to examine the hardware present in a system and be notified of its changes. |
| 21:39.56 | stew | mirak: you may, of course need to adjust ISO-8859-1 to something more appropriate for your input |
| 21:40.00 | Nadrea | Hello, I've problem with my printer, when the buffer is full it start printing strange char, any idea? |
| 21:40.18 | jetscreamer | apt-get install --reinstall hal maybe |
| 21:40.19 | mirak | stew: thnks it's -15 here |
| 21:40.22 | jetscreamer | !info hal |
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| 21:40.50 | avont_ | there is no hald restart in that folder |
| 21:41.03 | valdyn | jetscreamer: more likely he's just guessing the reason for an error, comepletely wrongly |
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| 21:41.19 | Nadrea | I've a matrix printer. |
| 21:41.25 | astronut | i played a full screen game (quake3) and now my mouse seems a bit slow (i'm in xinerama and i think (don't know) that it may have set it for 1 screen and not reset it for 2).. how do i change back |
| 21:41.31 | stew | avont_: /etc/init.d/dbus restart should restart hal |
| 21:41.32 | valdyn | avont_: run: "ps aux | grep hald" |
| 21:41.33 | deadcat | avont_: what the hell you talking about? what folder? its a shell script. called hald MAYBE.. i dont know the exact name |
| 21:41.33 | astronut | change mouse speed back* |
| 21:41.36 | moshii | avont_: there shouldn't be, you call it the init script with restart as an argument |
| 21:41.39 | azeem | avont_: /etc/init/dbus restart |
| 21:41.47 | nn | when i kill my desk jet by un pluging it it prints junk for a long while |
| 21:41.55 | jetscreamer | /sensitivity 7 |
| 21:41.58 | FanBoy | blondie |
| 21:41.59 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 21:42.02 | azeem | dbus-1, even |
| 21:42.03 | valdyn | nn: so dont unplug it |
| 21:42.06 | astronut | jetscreamer: me? |
| 21:42.18 | kingspawn | nn: unplugging is last resort |
| 21:42.23 | blondie | NO! |
| 21:42.24 | nn | i found turning it off and leaving it off for a while fixes it |
| 21:42.26 | kingspawn | to that, ill have another whiskey. |
| 21:42.27 | jetscreamer | in q3... |
| 21:42.34 | loukaic | when i try to build fakeroot make-jpkg <java-binary-package-name>.bin it comes with an error dpkg-architecture: failure: dpkg --print-installation-architecture filed: Permission denied |
| 21:42.37 | astronut | jetscreamer: i'm talking about after i quit quake3 |
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| 21:42.43 | valdyn | nn: is it a parallel port printer? |
| 21:42.43 | nn | maby you can try that |
| 21:42.45 | loukaic | does anybody know hot to fix this? |
| 21:42.51 | valdyn | nn: ops nm |
| 21:43.03 | nn | or maby a buffer limit of some sort |
| 21:43.05 | astronut | it's like it sets the mouse speed based on a width of 1280 rather than 2540 |
| 21:43.07 | astronut | err |
| 21:43.09 | astronut | 2560 |
| 21:43.09 | jetscreamer | http://ftp.x.org/pub/X11R7.0/doc/html/mouse.html all i know |
| 21:43.15 | steinmag | i have a problem with Klik (firefox doesn't know how to open this address, because the protocol (klik) isn't associated with any program). Anyone? |
| 21:43.15 | astronut | thanks |
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| 21:43.19 | valdyn | nn: you could kill both the print job and a process named "parallel" |
| 21:43.21 | outlaw84 | Is there any webbrowser that can use Flash and Java exept Firefox? |
| 21:43.21 | beetlepun | nn, what type of deskjet? |
| 21:43.21 | \amethyst | astronut: man xset |
| 21:43.22 | deadcat | loukaic: you cant just make-kpkg on any packages |
| 21:43.32 | moshii | outlaw84: konq |
| 21:43.44 | raz0 | outlaw84, konqueror |
| 21:43.44 | stew | deadcat: make-jpkg, not kpkg |
| 21:43.45 | ecdemo | didn't he say make-jpjg |
| 21:43.54 | deadcat | stew: oh. fuck me... |
| 21:43.56 | avont_ | please help :( |
| 21:43.57 | avont_ | http://img530.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot27ih.png |
| 21:43.58 | \amethyst | outlaw84: anything that can use Netscape/Mozilla plugins |
| 21:43.58 | loukaic | if i try as root make-kpkg it cames up with an error again saying i need to do it with fakeroot |
| 21:44.00 | stew | deadcat: no thanks :) |
| 21:44.12 | nn | nv |
| 21:44.19 | nn | never mind** |
| 21:44.26 | outlaw84 | \amethyst: oh okey I didn't know that |
| 21:44.27 | loukaic | i can do make-kpkg yes |
| 21:44.30 | deadcat | avont_: if it dont work. too bad. its hald. it aint perfect |
| 21:44.34 | astronut | \amethyst: what would a sane value be? |
| 21:44.42 | stew | avont_: did you try /etc/init.d/dbus restart? what does "uname -r" say? |
| 21:44.52 | avont_ | ...are you serious....so thats it? i can't burn cd's.....what the |
| 21:45.01 | ecdemo | avont_: why did you post the address of an advertisement? |
| 21:45.06 | avont_ | its not |
| 21:45.09 | moshii | avont_: you can burn cds without hal |
| 21:45.11 | avont_ | its a screenshot of the prob |
| 21:45.20 | deadcat | avont_: you dont need hald to burn cd... you using 2.6 kernel? |
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| 21:45.35 | avont_ | how do i know which version of kernal and gnome im usiong?> |
| 21:45.36 | astronut | \amethyst: nm, m default worked |
| 21:45.37 | astronut | thanks |
| 21:45.37 | nn | is their aney way to hack past verizon home's can't serv fire wall |
| 21:45.46 | astronut | may also be batteries too |
| 21:45.48 | deadcat | avont_: uname -r gives kernel. |
| 21:45.48 | nn | on dsl |
| 21:45.53 | avont_ | ok |
| 21:45.54 | kingspawn | cdrecord burns images like a doozy |
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| 21:46.03 | astronut | nn: run webserver on port 8080, set a web redirect |
| 21:46.06 | beetlepun | nn, I have a somewhat similar problem with a laserjet.. possibly if you upgrade the printer's firmware it might be fixed.. |
| 21:46.11 | stew | nn: that question isn't appropriate for this irc network |
| 21:46.13 | ecdemo | doozies burn images??! |
| 21:46.18 | kingspawn | ecdemo: YES! |
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| 21:46.24 | kingspawn | haha |
| 21:46.26 | astronut | ie, have your website on fake.dns:8080 and have real.dns point to fake.dns:8080 |
| 21:46.26 | avont_ | 2.2.20-idepci |
| 21:46.27 | kingspawn | i love semantics. |
| 21:46.37 | astronut | stew: he wasn't hacking someone else, he meant to run a server which his ISP blocks |
| 21:46.39 | deadcat | avont_: shit your box is so old..... |
| 21:46.39 | kingspawn | avont_: i fell off, but are you trying to burn a image? |
| 21:46.40 | nn | ok |
| 21:46.40 | Nadrea | Hello, I've had a problem with my matrix printer on parallel, when the buffer is full it start printing strange char, any idea? |
| 21:46.43 | astronut | stew: if i understand him correctly |
| 21:46.47 | azeem | avont_: hal needs 2.6 |
| 21:46.51 | stew | astronut: he's asking how to violate is AUP |
| 21:46.52 | avont_ | oh |
| 21:46.58 | nn | so sorry |
| 21:47.02 | valdyn | !idepci |
| 21:47.02 | dpkg | 2.2.20-idepci makes Baby Jebus cry. apt-get install kernel-image-2.2.20 or kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686 or similar. You didn't read the final section of the install guide /msg dpkg install guide. Go read it before we laugh at you :) |
| 21:47.06 | avont_ | is there a way i can update the kernal? or do i have to reinstall all over again? |
| 21:47.13 | stoned | my isp blocks port 80. I run apache on 8181 and I get dyndns.com free web/port redirect |
| 21:47.18 | escalade | i tried on two servers to start the nessusd server... but its says everytime /var/lib/nessus/nessus-services could not be found. Install it and try again. I cant find a nessus-services in apt-get someone can help? |
| 21:47.22 | deadcat | avont_: you still on woody eh? |
| 21:47.32 | ecdemo | avont_: yes |
| 21:47.32 | avont_ | ....huh? |
| 21:47.32 | valdyn | woody had gtk2? |
| 21:47.38 | avont_ | im such a linux noob, stoip makin fun of me |
| 21:47.55 | stoned | avont_, what distro of debian? |
| 21:47.56 | kingspawn | escalade: i installed nessus, and realized it needed graphics. then i uninstalled it promptly. |
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| 21:48.02 | azeem | dpkg: no, idepci is 2.2.20-idepci makes Baby Jebus cry. apt-get install kernel-image-2.2.20 or kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686 or similar. You didn't read the final section of the install guide /msg dpkg install guide. Do so now. |
| 21:48.03 | dpkg | okay, azeem |
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| 21:48.13 | beetlepun | Nadrea, sounds like a software issue |
| 21:48.18 | nn | how do you set an ircd to go on a certain port |
| 21:48.20 | [machine] | filespawn: it doesn't need graphics |
| 21:48.29 | avont_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:48.31 | nn | spesifed by you |
| 21:48.32 | stoned | nn, ircd.conf I aimmagine |
| 21:48.32 | avont_ | so type that? |
| 21:48.35 | Nadrea | beetlepun, what should I use for testing? |
| 21:48.38 | escalade | kingspawn: are 2 part one server and one client |
| 21:48.41 | stew | avont_: what version of debian are you running? |
| 21:48.46 | avont_ | umm |
| 21:48.51 | azeem | cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 21:48.58 | avont_ | 2.2.20-idepci |
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| 21:49.07 | deadcat | he said 2.2.20 and now he say 2.4.18? what the hell. |
| 21:49.21 | Shadowcat | there's a BIG difference between 2.2 and 2.4 |
| 21:49.24 | avont_ | no, i was saying which version did i need to upgraDE YTO |
| 21:49.26 | beetlepun | avont_, if you cat /etc/debian_version, your version displays |
| 21:49.28 | stew | avont_: are you running sarge? etc? testing? stable? unstable? |
| 21:49.29 | valdyn | avont_: that is a kernel version, not a debian version |
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| 21:49.36 | nn | stoned, whare would that file be |
| 21:49.37 | stoned | avar, cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:49.40 | avont_ | hold on |
| 21:49.44 | nn | ?? |
| 21:49.55 | kingspawn | escalade: just makes me go "woa" |
| 21:49.55 | ateoh211 | what package handles hardware detection(by default) on sarge? |
| 21:50.00 | alanshields | I have a 3"x5" .pdf that I'm trying to print on 3"x5" cardstock - can't seem to find a way to do this. Any advice? |
| 21:50.08 | stoned | avont_, cat /etc/apt/sources.list and see if it says stable or testing or unsatble, or sarge or etch or sid |
| 21:50.11 | deadcat | ateoh211: discover |
| 21:50.12 | escalade | kingspawn: =) |
| 21:50.13 | stew | ateoh211: discover and hotplug |
| 21:50.14 | steinmag | Can anyone help me? I get a nasty protocol error in Firefox when trying to use "Klik". |
| 21:50.35 | kingspawn | escalade: but its supposed to be good, so i hope you get it to work |
| 21:50.38 | deadcat | steinmag: whats klik? |
| 21:50.38 | beetlepun | steinmag, isn't that an extension? |
| 21:50.41 | ateoh211 | stew: not discover1, right? |
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| 21:50.50 | kingspawn | anyone else experienced an immense amount of attacks when letting ssh2 run on port 22? |
| 21:50.55 | stew | ateoh211: hmm, actually it might be discover1, i'm not sure |
| 21:50.55 | kingspawn | like 50x different ip |
| 21:50.57 | Jiv- | hi |
| 21:51.04 | kingspawn | like 50x different ip's trying to log in with a plethora of usernames |
| 21:51.05 | deadcat | kingspawn: its about right. |
| 21:51.06 | steinmag | its for downloading progs |
| 21:51.07 | escalade | kingspawn: i keep trying need it for security audit :) |
| 21:51.11 | ateoh211 | kingspawn: yes, I keep ssh on a different port |
| 21:51.17 | alanshields | kingspawn, I regularly get scanned/etc on 22 |
| 21:51.18 | lazzarello | how can I change the tracking speed of the core pointer in X? |
| 21:51.22 | beetlepun | kingspawn, I have, bunch of crackheads out there.. |
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| 21:51.33 | steinmag | i am a newbee, but firefox tells me its a protocoll error |
| 21:51.39 | kingspawn | does that stuff take up a lot of bandwidth? ive changed my ssh port, but its extremely annoying |
| 21:51.39 | ne0futur | kingspawn: try port knocking |
| 21:51.50 | ne0futur | against ssh brute force attacks |
| 21:51.52 | stew | lazzarello: with xset |
| 21:51.55 | Jiv- | is there a premade iptables to give my box a stealth mode.. ??? |
| 21:51.55 | noideaatall | if i have 2 linux installations i can access the files on the other one i am not using right ? |
| 21:51.55 | beetlepun | steinmag, remove it from firefox's extensions then.. |
| 21:51.56 | kingspawn | ne0futur: i dont know what that is. got a reference i could read? |
| 21:52.01 | pmitros | What's the fastest, least painless way to rip an (unencrypted, region-free, non-CSS) DVD under Debian, so I can watch it later? I've got a video on a very short term loan... |
| 21:52.03 | deadcat | kingspawn: if you have a good password. who cares |
| 21:52.05 | ne0futur | google port knocking |
| 21:52.07 | valdyn | kingspawn: no reason why those bots should bother you |
| 21:52.12 | lazzarello | stew, thanks |
| 21:52.13 | pmitros | s/least painless/least painful/ |
| 21:52.14 | wols | Jiv-: there is no "stealth mode" |
| 21:52.17 | valdyn | kingspawn: unless you have possible weak passwords |
| 21:52.31 | Jiv- | wols how come ? |
| 21:52.33 | kingspawn | i've changed my password to quite an advanced one, lots of chars, numbers and other nice stuff |
| 21:52.36 | ne0futur | have all you need |
| 21:52.41 | hjubal | goodbye |
| 21:52.44 | avont_ | ok |
| 21:52.45 | avont_ | here |
| 21:52.46 | avont_ | Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 r4 _Woody_ - Official i386 Binary-1 (20050102)]/ unstable contrib main non-US/contrib non-US/main non-US/non-free non-free |
| 21:52.47 | beetlepun | pmitros, you can try duping it with k3b? (apt-get install k3b) |
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| 21:52.50 | kingspawn | but still, they are trying a login like every five seconds, must take some resources |
| 21:52.51 | wols | Juerd: cause what windows "firewall" makers sell as such is stupid |
| 21:52.52 | Jiv- | in windows the firewalls make the pc stealthed |
| 21:52.57 | avont_ | l |
| 21:52.59 | avont_ | ef |
| 21:53.00 | valdyn | kingspawn: those bots are probably not even guessing your name ( unless you use john or somesuch ) |
| 21:53.02 | pmitros | beetle: Will try. Thanks. |
| 21:53.08 | ateoh211 | valdyn: yes it is a bother, when you have many servers to manage and must read logs |
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| 21:53.13 | kingspawn | valdyn: no, they're completely off all the time :) |
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| 21:53.20 | wols | Jiv-: no they don't. they just say they do |
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| 21:53.21 | stew | avont_: you need to upgrade to sarge first /msg dpkg woody->sarge ; then you need to upgrade to a 2.6 kernel, /msg dpkg sarge upgrade kerenl |
| 21:53.21 | ecdemo | pmitros: @mit? |
| 21:53.25 | deadcat | avont_: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 21:53.27 | kingspawn | valdyn: its so goddamn stupid |
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| 21:53.31 | Jiv- | ok any simple firewall that can be downloded ? |
| 21:53.35 | pmitros | ecdemo: Yup. |
| 21:53.37 | stew | deadcat: no, not for woody->sarge |
| 21:53.42 | wols | Jiv-: you can tell iptables to "DROP" tho |
| 21:53.48 | deadcat | stew: oh right.. |
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| 21:53.56 | ne0futur | deadcat: what is the exact difference between apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 21:54.15 | steinmag | beetlepun, where do I manage extensions? Why would I remove it when I am trying to use it? |
| 21:54.16 | kingspawn | ateoh211: exactly :) |
| 21:54.17 | deadcat | ne0futur: nothing. thats what i typed. |
| 21:54.21 | mescon | As a tech-teacher of a high school class, my job is to administer and help out in the basics of the bash command prompt (among other things)... is there a way to "attach" to the screen of students session and watch what he does (and correct him if I see the error in his input)... such as "screen -S $USERNAME" where I do screen -x Joe for instance? |
| 21:54.30 | kingspawn | ateoh211: everyone logging in to my server knows me anyhow |
| 21:54.35 | Jiv- | ok thanks wols |
| 21:54.38 | deadcat | ne0futur: && means if the first command returns 0, THEN do second command |
| 21:54.42 | kingspawn | but those idiots running these scripts just make me go crazy |
| 21:54.43 | ecdemo | update gets list files, dist-upgrade upgrades lots of packages and installs more |
| 21:54.47 | mescon | would it mean having all users load screen -S $USERNAME with .bashrc, or is there another (better way)? |
| 21:54.53 | avont_ | ok |
| 21:55.09 | stew | ne0futur: update updates the list of available pacakges, upgrade upgrades installed packages that can be updated without installing or deleting other packages and dist-upgrade upgrades packages even if they require packages to be added or removed |
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| 21:55.09 | avont_ | im upgrading |
| 21:55.09 | quiet | i selected desktop environment in tasksel.. but i don't want KDE>.. is there any oneshot command to remove all of KDE? |
| 21:55.09 | deadcat | mescon: other |
| 21:55.10 | stoned | avont_, echo "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/ sarge main contrib non-free" > /etc/apt/sources.list && apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 21:55.10 | avont_ | what can i do if i have hald enabled? |
| 21:55.10 | mescon | deadcat such as? |
| 21:55.11 | stew | stoned: no |
| 21:55.25 | stew | avont_: don't listen to people that tell you to use apt-get to upgrade to sarge, you need to use aptitude |
| 21:55.32 | wols | quiet: remove kdelibs |
| 21:55.34 | kingspawn | jesus |
| 21:55.35 | avont_ | you can use apt also |
| 21:55.40 | stew | avont_: no, you can't |
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| 21:55.42 | kingspawn | a bottle of whiskey in norway is 50Â$ |
| 21:55.45 | stoned | stew, don't bs, give a reason |
| 21:55.46 | deadcat | mescon: joe has to give perm in his .screenrc in order for you to -x on him |
| 21:55.47 | kingspawn | that just aint fair.- |
| 21:55.53 | avont_ | stew: you can, their both package managers |
| 21:55.56 | wols | stoned: apt bug in woody |
| 21:55.56 | TheWahbinator | where is version.h in linux-headers-2.6.16-1 |
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| 21:56.01 | stoned | wols, I did not know |
| 21:56.06 | azeem | avont_, stoned: read the release notes, please |
| 21:56.15 | stoned | azeem, I don't need woody |
| 21:56.18 | stoned | thanks though |
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| 21:56.21 | avont_ | im confused |
| 21:56.24 | quiet | wols, that still leaves a ton of things like kdetoys, kdewebdev, etc.. |
| 21:56.27 | stew | avont_: stoned: apt-get had a bug with large circular changelists in woody, this was documented, and its the reason that the sarge release notes tell you to use aptitude not apt-get |
| 21:56.27 | avont_ | what do i do?!?! |
| 21:56.38 | avont_ | ok |
| 21:56.38 | azeem | avont_: you read the release notes |
| 21:57.16 | deadcat | avont_: you give me ssh access. |
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| 21:57.16 | kingspawn | everyone, google "9 beet stretch" and play it. |
| 21:57.16 | stew | stoned: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/06/msg00006.html |
| 21:57.16 | azeem | deadcat: huh? |
| 21:57.16 | deadcat | avont_: much easier than letting these geeks confuse the fuck out of you |
| 21:57.16 | kingspawn | it is a piece of music that could be studied for years. |
| 21:57.19 | avont_ | ...... |
| 21:57.25 | avont_ | deadcat: so what do i do? |
| 21:57.28 | abrotman | kingspawn: how 'bout .. no ? :) |
| 21:57.33 | avont_ | use aptitude? how do i use it when i get in |
| 21:58.06 | kingspawn | abrotman: you're loss, actually. and this isnt something i say often. if you have some interest in electronic music, it is a nice project. |
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| 21:58.38 | stoned | actually its 'your loss' |
| 21:58.47 | stoned | but who cares right |
| 21:58.55 | abrotman | kingspawn: your |
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| 21:59.04 | kingspawn | abrotman: true. |
| 21:59.11 | avont_ | ..h.elp, so go into aptitude then what? |
| 21:59.12 | kingspawn | abrotman: you are not loss.. :) |
| 21:59.17 | deadcat | avont_: is this machine behind firewall? |
| 21:59.21 | kingspawn | abrotman: blame the alcohol. |
| 21:59.21 | abrotman | depends who you ask ... |
| 21:59.23 | stoned | kingspawn, but you are lost |
| 21:59.26 | abrotman | !blame alcohol |
| 21:59.27 | stoned | muahaha |
| 21:59.32 | ateoh211 | avont_ 'man aptitude' |
| 21:59.34 | stoned | !blame weed |
| 21:59.37 | kingspawn | haha |
| 21:59.38 | stoned | ahh yes |
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| 21:59.42 | kingspawn | the one who doesnt blame the alcohol |
| 21:59.43 | stoned | that bot should die |
| 21:59.46 | avont_ | im in aptitude now |
| 21:59.46 | kingspawn | if you listen to that shit, you will know |
| 21:59.53 | kingspawn | it doesnt even need green to make sense. |
| 21:59.54 | avont_ | ateoh |
| 21:59.58 | avont_ | private message me |
| 22:00.04 | deadcat | avont_: DONT listen to them. they will confuse the fuck out of you |
| 22:00.08 | jnco | i fucking up my apt-source list, now im fucked for life |
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| 22:00.16 | kingspawn | jnco: indeed. |
| 22:00.24 | avont_ | deadcat, private message me |
| 22:00.27 | jnco | apt-cd no worky!!! apt-cd NO WORKYYYYYYY |
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| 22:00.28 | kingspawn | jnco: just google "sources.list generator debian" |
| 22:00.34 | azeem | deadcat: don't listen to who? |
| 22:00.35 | kingspawn | jnco: will prolly get you somewhere ;) |
| 22:00.42 | jnco | ;D |
| 22:00.46 | quiet | jnco, LOL... delete sources list and dpkg-reconfigure apt |
| 22:00.48 | deadcat | avont_: no. just install ssh and let one of us ssh into the machine and take a look |
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| 22:01.00 | avont_ | .......LMAO |
| 22:01.00 | kingspawn | abrotman: but i seriously suggest you look into 9 beet stretch |
| 22:01.01 | stoned | avont_, why don't you download the netinstall kernel/initrd.gz for debian sarge, put those two files in / and modify /boot/grub/menu.lst, reboot the pc with the new kernel, and it will start the debian installer for Sarge for you |
| 22:01.08 | kingspawn | abrotman: i dont know your preferences, of course. |
| 22:01.12 | avont_ | deadcat: how stupid do i look to you man |
| 22:01.13 | stew | jnco: show us the command you are trying to run and the actual errors you are getting along with your sources.list, use a pastebin, /msg dpkg paster |
| 22:01.16 | stoned | avont_, you _ARE_ trying to isntall sarge right? |
| 22:01.37 | azeem | kingspawn: can you take this to #offtopic, please? |
| 22:01.38 | avont_ | umm, im trying to get hALD |
| 22:01.55 | kingspawn | azeem: ill shut up :) |
| 22:01.59 | azeem | thanks |
| 22:02.02 | abrotman | kingspawn: how 'bout .. no ? :) |
| 22:02.02 | kingspawn | nå |
| 22:02.02 | deadcat | avont_: no. we login and we use screen to communicate. this way you see what we do. we have our own box. we dont really want to "root" your old box. |
| 22:02.05 | kingspawn | np, that is |
| 22:02.19 | avont_ | alright, deadcat, private message me |
| 22:02.20 | kingspawn | abrotman: as earlier stated. |
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| 22:02.30 | falkon | I have a weird problem. The only thing I have done is upgrade my packages and do an update-modules. Now, when I shutdown I get an error with something to the effect of * Unable to unmount root filesystem. This error does not show up in dmesg, and fsck isn't run automatically again on boot |
| 22:02.37 | deadcat | avont_: what for? just install ssh. apt-get install ssh |
| 22:02.40 | quiet | avont_, i wouldn't be worried about letting deadcat or abrotman in if they are willing to help... they have both been around for a LONG time.. maybe actually developers?? not sure though. |
| 22:02.58 | deadcat | quiet: no. i am just a linux user |
| 22:02.58 | stoned | no they aren't |
| 22:02.58 | avont_ | ok |
| 22:03.00 | avont_ | i will do it |
| 22:03.04 | abrotman | quiet: eh? |
| 22:03.07 | stoned | they are just a-holes |
| 22:03.09 | stoned | ;) |
| 22:03.12 | stoned | both of em |
| 22:03.15 | quiet | lol |
| 22:03.16 | abrotman | i'm canadian! |
| 22:03.18 | stoned | hey! |
| 22:03.23 | deadcat | i am a negro |
| 22:03.23 | stoned | that equals an ahole |
| 22:03.24 | stoned | hehe |
| 22:03.25 | wols | abrotman: that proves his point no? |
| 22:03.26 | lepton | falkon: I wouldn't worry about it. I've seen it many times, never was a problem. |
| 22:03.30 | abrotman | heh |
| 22:03.32 | deadcat | OLD negro |
| 22:03.42 | avont_ | it said ssh is already the newst version |
| 22:03.42 | abrotman | anyways .. letting me into what? |
| 22:03.46 | stoned | man you know that the most powerful word in america |
| 22:03.51 | wols | but letting someone from IRC on your box is just WRONG on so many levels |
| 22:03.52 | stoned | and controversial |
| 22:03.52 | falkon | I would think not unmounting the file systems would be a big problem |
| 22:03.54 | azeem | abrotman: avont_'s box |
| 22:03.55 | quiet | avont_, /etc/init.d/sshd start |
| 22:03.57 | stoned | "N*gger" |
| 22:04.02 | stoned | I read the book, fantastic |
| 22:04.07 | wols | abrotman: give you a login and let you sort out the probs |
| 22:04.08 | azeem | stoned: drop it |
| 22:04.08 | stew | stoned: stop |
| 22:04.09 | deadcat | avont_: telnet localhost 22, if you see something. then its open. just let one of us ssh in |
| 22:04.25 | stoned | yeh my bad crap |
| 22:04.26 | avont_ | ok |
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| 22:04.34 | kingspawn | dont open telnet |
| 22:04.39 | avont_ | why is linux so cool, so much cooler than windows |
| 22:04.44 | abrotman | haha! .. yeah right |
| 22:04.46 | mgoetze | quiet: does that work if it's not activated in debconf or /etc/default/whatever? |
| 22:04.49 | kingspawn | even if its for nice tech support. |
| 22:04.51 | wols | kingspawn: telnet is find. it's in.telnetd that's evil |
| 22:04.57 | deadcat | kingspawn: what the hell. telnet localhost 22... |
| 22:05.02 | stoned | avont_, cool == perception. |
| 22:05.03 | kingspawn | wols: telnet is find? WOAH! ;) |
| 22:05.12 | wols | :P |
| 22:05.12 | avont_ | alright, deadcat |
| 22:05.14 | avont_ | now what |
| 22:05.22 | wols | I'm getting senile. it'S not my fault! |
| 22:05.30 | avont_ | im connected |
| 22:05.32 | deadcat | avont_: /msg me the ip, username, passwd. just creaet a temp user account |
| 22:05.35 | kingspawn | deadcat: just following the debian.org guide, where stated "telnet is like taking down your system" |
| 22:05.38 | stew | kingspawn: yes, telnet the client is very useful, the server telnetd is not |
| 22:05.39 | avont_ | ok |
| 22:05.51 | deadcat | kingspawn: i said "telnet localhost 22" NOT opening telnet |
| 22:05.53 | stew | kingspawn: nobody told him to use the server, but to use the client to see if the ssh server was listening |
| 22:05.53 | kingspawn | deadcat: remember that i like to exaggerate like _crazy_ |
| 22:06.01 | kingspawn | good. |
| 22:06.09 | rem | Enter the password for `NSS User Private Key and Certificate Services' |
| 22:06.10 | stoned | actually |
| 22:06.12 | stoned | guys |
| 22:06.19 | kingspawn | (my rtfm is = kingspawn is ALWAYS drinking, unless his girlfriend is in the house) |
| 22:06.21 | stoned | netcat is best to use in situations like these |
| 22:06.27 | rem | anyone knows what that is when i try to send a thawte signed mail .. |
| 22:06.28 | rem | ? |
| 22:06.33 | stoned | apt-get install netcat && nc localhost 22 |
| 22:06.36 | kingspawn | i make an inane amount of mistakes. |
| 22:06.36 | avont_ | ok |
| 22:06.38 | avont_ | deeadcat |
| 22:06.41 | avont_ | i created the account |
| 22:06.48 | avont_ | how do i know whats my IP |
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| 22:06.55 | stew | stoned: that is not any better, and he doesn't have to install anything to use telnet |
| 22:06.59 | rem | Anyone knows what the NSS user is ?? |
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| 22:07.18 | deadcat | avont_: i got it. /msg me username passwd |
| 22:07.36 | kingspawn | stew: the ssh server communicates with telnet in some way? |
| 22:07.37 | deadcat | avont_: it seems like you have sarge installed alaready. i think you just need a newer kernel |
| 22:07.40 | stoned | stew, I don't like using telnet really |
| 22:07.41 | avont_ | ok |
| 22:07.58 | nn-server | any one know how to help me comfigure /ect/ircd/ircd.conf |
| 22:07.58 | kingspawn | indeed it does. |
| 22:08.04 | kingspawn | how ugly. |
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| 22:08.12 | stew | kingspawn: no |
| 22:08.27 | kingspawn | stew: it reports my openssh-server.. |
| 22:08.30 | jmp_me | when i'm in console mode. which programs are actually running? the kernel and bash? |
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| 22:08.40 | valdyn | jmp_me: ps aux |
| 22:08.41 | deadcat | jmp_me: ps -ef |
| 22:08.53 | kingspawn | stew: that is explicitly defining port, that is |
| 22:08.59 | stoned | nn-server, get on google. search for different ircd servers. Check out their features. Then install an ircd that you like. Then reads its fvcking manual, and configure the thing. |
| 22:09.18 | jmp_me | well, i mean which programs are running to make it possible to have an I/O with command-line |
| 22:09.20 | abrotman | !shell access |
| 22:09.20 | dpkg | DON'T be a moron. Offering shell access to random people you meet on IRC is the WORST thing you can do for your box's health. Yes, even if they offer to help you or fix something. Before sharing shell access, ask yourself this: Will I be able to go over to this person and stab them in the face with a spork? If not, you probably do not want to give them access. |
| 22:09.31 | nn-server | sory |
| 22:09.42 | avont_ | deadcat did u get the message |
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| 22:10.25 | rvsjoen | nn-server: what do you need to configure ? |
| 22:10.36 | valdyn | jmp_me: a terminal and bash |
| 22:10.42 | deadcat | avont_: what message? |
| 22:10.54 | kingspawn | stew: you know any resource i might read about this? |
| 22:11.09 | avont_ | msg deadcat hey |
| 22:11.10 | stew | kingspawn: about specifically what? what the telnet client does? |
| 22:11.22 | deadcat | avont_: i just did /msg avont_ hello |
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| 22:11.22 | avont_ | how do i message |
| 22:11.29 | deadcat | avont_: /msg |
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| 22:11.36 | jmp_me | valdyn: is the terminal a process itself? |
| 22:11.43 | kingspawn | stew: hm, the fact that it returns the name and version of my ssh server, i guess. if this is ignorant, forgive. |
| 22:11.48 | valdyn | jmp_me: if it is an xterm, yes |
| 22:11.52 | wols | avont_: you need to be registered and identified to nickserv to be able to msg |
| 22:12.01 | jmp_me | no xterm |
| 22:12.02 | azeem | same for deadcat |
| 22:12.07 | Juerd | wols: I forgot what that was about... |
| 22:12.11 | deadcat | avont_: /join #givemeyourpasswd (= i am there |
| 22:12.11 | avont_ | oh |
| 22:12.11 | valdyn | jmp_me: your console is provided by the kernel |
| 22:12.12 | weasel00 | avont_ : /msg deadcat this is my username/password <insert usename/password> |
| 22:12.12 | avont_ | damn |
| 22:12.22 | wols | Juerd: protection from spambots a few weeks/months back |
| 22:12.33 | azeem | deadcat: I suggest you stop this exercise of getting SSH access to avont_'s box |
| 22:12.43 | weasel00 | oh... |
| 22:12.53 | valdyn | jmp_me: in a console its the kernel for the console , a getty to log in, and then just bash |
| 22:12.57 | stew | kingspawn: it just opens a connection to a port and displays whatever the server listening to that port outputs and sends all your input to that port. when you connect to an ssh server the first thing it does is identify itself. it doesn't mean you can do anything useful with ssh using telnet besides just this, seeing if there is a server there ready to respond |
| 22:13.11 | deadcat | azeem: no. HEs trying to give me the username/passwd and i am NOT gonna do crazy shit to his box like you might |
| 22:13.20 | Juerd | wols: Sorry, it's entirely out of my memory. |
| 22:13.25 | stew | kingspawn: you could similarly use it to see if an smtp server is listening: telnet mx1.mail.yahoo.com smtp |
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| 22:13.27 | kingspawn | stew: thanks, that explains what i thought beforehand. |
| 22:13.52 | azeem | deadcat: I don't think it's appropriate for us regulars to solicit SSH access, really |
| 22:13.57 | kingspawn | stew: exaccttly. thanks alot, i bieve that thought me something. |
| 22:14.02 | wols | deadcat: that's what you say. there is a reason why this isn't done on IRC, at least not on reputable channels. and you're around long enough to know it and not even attempt it |
| 22:14.03 | stew | kingspawn: however smtp being a plaintext protocol, you could actually send email that way if you knew the smtp protocol well enough to type the commands directly to the smtp server on the other end |
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| 22:14.13 | jmp_me | valdyn: that's what i thought :) when i'm done learning c++ and assembly i have in plan to make an own kernel he he he |
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| 22:14.19 | deadcat | avont_: you should install "screen" so you can watch what i do |
| 22:14.29 | avont_ | apt-get install screen? |
| 22:14.36 | deadcat | ya |
| 22:14.47 | wols | stew: except encrypted stuff you can do everything with telnet. people irc iwth it (tho it does suck) |
| 22:14.49 | weasel00 | kingspawn : its a nice way to saying "i love you" to your boss via email =) |
| 22:14.52 | azeem | !tell avont_ -about shell access |
| 22:15.00 | kingspawn | stew: i will indeed study. |
| 22:15.12 | deadcat | wols: azeem well he gave me the username and passwd on a diff channel. so there. |
| 22:15.28 | jmp_me | assembly is soo sweet. |
| 22:15.29 | azeem | deadcat: so you don't need to be in this one anymore? |
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| 22:15.43 | avont_ | azeem, calm down, its just a temporary account i created |
| 22:15.46 | kingspawn | weasel00: haha, my boss wouldnt even be close to reading it :) if it goes beyond touching the "start"-button in w95 she is lost. guess how much this fact pays me every month :) |
| 22:15.53 | deadcat | azeem: if you want to kick/ban me just do it. no need to ask me |
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| 22:16.47 | wols | deadcat: I know you some time (as good as people on irc can be known), but you used THIS channel to get it. and imho that's at least kick worthy since you did it even afer an op told you to stop |
| 22:16.49 | weasel00 | why has this channel gone bonkers today =( |
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| 22:17.13 | abrotman | !fix wols' keyboard |
| 22:17.17 | kingspawn | weasel00: stuff happens :) |
| 22:17.22 | abrotman | yeah .. who needs dpkg! |
| 22:17.24 | rvsjoen | can you 'plug' into a terminal with screen ? |
| 22:17.30 | nn-server | there is at least 30 documents under icd-ircu doc some of which are gz's which one do i start with see list in #flood |
| 22:17.31 | escalade | someone can help me to get nessusd running :( cant find it: /var/lib/nessus/nessus-services could not be found. Install it and try again |
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| 22:17.53 | deadcat | avont_: you installed screen yet? |
| 22:17.55 | kingspawn | escalade: what does reinstall tell you? |
| 22:18.25 | j4cbo | i'm trying to get the VPN into my work up, and it says it needs "libssl.so.2" |
| 22:18.40 | j4cbo | packages.debian.org says there's no such thing anywhere |
| 22:18.57 | kijjaz | i'm using Etch (Testing), i'm on Gnome. suddenly [Application] in the gnome panel (menu) goes wrong. when i click it, it opens then close suddenly (but Places and Desktop work fine) .. do you have any suggestions? |
| 22:19.00 | zumbi | libssl0.9.7 - SSL shared libraries |
| 22:19.01 | kingspawn | oh christ |
| 22:19.13 | zumbi | j4cbo: libssl0.9.7 - SSL shared libraries |
| 22:19.15 | shining | kijjaz: stop using gnome |
| 22:19.16 | kingspawn | i just spilled half a bottle of whiskey in my keyboard |
| 22:19.23 | escalade | kingspawn: nothing special |
| 22:19.34 | j4cbo | zumbi: that has /usr/lib/libssl.so.0.9.7, but not libssl.so.2 |
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| 22:19.50 | zumbi | j4cbo: and libssl-dev ? |
| 22:19.53 | kingspawn | god damn |
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| 22:20.02 | wamty | is Debian not a distro. ? some1 told me that right now |
| 22:20.07 | kijjaz | shining hahah that's what i'm thinking.. i like xfce4.. and do you think KDE is more reliable + configurable? i'm new as a newbie. |
| 22:20.20 | deadcat | wamty: its a distro |
| 22:20.25 | zumbi | j4cbo: you could also try to make a symlink |
| 22:20.29 | shining | kijjaz: more configurable, totally |
| 22:20.38 | kijjaz | debian is a.. cult. .. ? |
| 22:21.05 | kingspawn | anyone seen kubricks movies? |
| 22:21.09 | wols | abrotman: since you're at it, can you fix my brain and fingers too. I'm sure they need much more fixing |
| 22:21.18 | shining | kijjaz: more reliable, I'm less sure. but yep, xfce4 is nice too |
| 22:21.18 | kingspawn | *"sir, would you like something to drink?" |
| 22:21.19 | wols | !fix my brain |
| 22:21.20 | deadcat | avont_: you still here? else i am gonna exit |
| 22:21.23 | kingspawn | talk about pointers to pointers,. |
| 22:21.32 | abrotman | wols: i don't have that kind of time :) |
| 22:21.35 | wols | not yours. mine! |
| 22:21.46 | erhanr | kijjaz: http://distrowatch.com/ |
| 22:21.54 | kijjaz | shining: i guess so. i should turn to KDE. i really really like KDE after first sight but etch installation cd only install gnome, so i guessed it might be recommended lol - |
| 22:21.56 | rvsjoen | nn-server: i'm guessing ircd.conf.sample, example.conf and README could provide you with some useful info. Anyway you need to figure out what you require of your server, which services you intend to run, client count, etc etc. just add an o:line and take it one step at a time ;P |
| 22:21.57 | abrotman | wols: i'm aware of what you meant :) |
| 22:21.57 | zumbi | hello, i'm trying to mount a USB mass storage under 2.6.16 but i don't get /dev/sda1 device ( not familiar with udev) but usb is up dmesg said, do you know where can i find usb device ? |
| 22:22.01 | wols | abrotman: I feared you saying that. as punishment you now have to endure my typing, your choice :P |
| 22:22.23 | kijjaz | erhanr: thanks. i love distrowatch. |
| 22:22.26 | shining | kijjaz: that's the impression I had as well :) |
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| 22:22.44 | wols | abrotman: eye downtime now |
| 22:22.59 | shining | kijjaz: but it's just one |
| 22:23.02 | abrotman | wols: lazy bum .. |
| 22:23.23 | escalade | !distrowatch |
| 22:23.23 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, distrowatch is for the ppl who wants "based" distro. http://distrowatch.com |
| 22:23.23 | daeos | wols: hey man, im trying to setup postfix and im stuck at the dpkg setup screens, where should mail for root go? no where? or to my own default login that i use? |
| 22:23.43 | noideaatall | if i have 2 linux installations i can access the files on the other one i am not using right ? |
| 22:23.46 | erhanr | !beer me plz |
| 22:23.51 | kijjaz | but anyway what did i do wrong so that the gnome 'Applications' menu didn't come up properly when clicked? where should i check or what should i configure? |
| 22:23.54 | wols | daeos: to your normal user account. and if you have a IP in a dialup range, it's probably best to use a smarthost. tho you can reconfigure that later |
| 22:24.05 | rvsjoen | noideaatall: yes |
| 22:24.07 | erhanr | :D |
| 22:24.07 | daeos | cable not du |
| 22:24.07 | zumbi | !usb |
| 22:24.08 | dpkg | methinks usb is (Universal Serial Bus) A technology that has replaced the way that some peripheral devices connect to a computer. It is much faster than serial and parallel communications. It is also much more flexible: it will be able to connect to many devices simultaneously. http://www.linux-usb.org, or http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/book1.html |
| 22:24.14 | wols | noideaatall: yes, but you need to mount the other disk/partition |
| 22:24.36 | daeos | wols: so in the second screen, put in my login name right? |
| 22:24.40 | shining | kijjaz: no idea, never had this issue. you could check bug report |
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| 22:25.25 | wols | daeos: yes |
| 22:25.27 | BGreeNZ | Hello. I am trying to install cyrus21-imapd on Sarge, but I don't know how I should configure the dependancy libhesiod0 |
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| 22:25.43 | daeos | wols: force sync updates on mail queue? |
| 22:25.47 | wols | but it's just an entry in /etc/aliases, you can always change that later too |
| 22:25.57 | wols | use default |
| 22:26.11 | daeos | wols: ok did that |
| 22:26.33 | daeos | wols: i got mysql up and running and phpmyadmin working for mysql administration |
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| 22:26.45 | Reddy | good |
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| 22:26.49 | Reddy | ill hack it now |
| 22:26.59 | kingspawn | everyone that supports me not going to work tomorrow, instead calling in "sick" (meaning got t admin serer), say "i" |
| 22:27.07 | Reddy | i |
| 22:27.08 | rvsjoen | i |
| 22:27.11 | wols | fine, but I'll go resting my eyes now. hole abrotman with your questions, he's used to it :) |
| 22:27.16 | kingspawn | this is just great! |
| 22:27.18 | daeos | i |
| 22:27.21 | kingspawn | i am feeling you :) |
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| 22:27.29 | daeos | wols: thanks man |
| 22:27.39 | Reddy | im bored |
| 22:27.43 | Reddy | extrememly bored |
| 22:27.55 | kingspawn | the 7-11 is right down th estreet |
| 22:27.58 | Reddy | thats why i went to this fuckin programmer server |
| 22:27.59 | kingspawn | i should go there |
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| 22:28.09 | Reddy | o.O |
| 22:28.27 | azeem | Reddy: do you have a Debian question? |
| 22:28.32 | Reddy | man, i would just love to do /cs clear |
| 22:28.49 | Reddy | or /cs akick #debian add *all* |
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| 22:28.56 | kijjaz | Reddy: bored hmm.. let's come up with a new crazy chaos algorithms.. oh well eh.. or let's write a song. |
| 22:28.58 | Reddy | mmm |
| 22:29.05 | Reddy | lmao |
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| 22:29.09 | Reddy | i just got into delphi |
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| 22:29.13 | Reddy | delphi 7 |
| 22:29.26 | Reddy | whats debian again? |
| 22:29.33 | Reddy | i think ive heard of it |
| 22:29.55 | azeem | Reddy: see www.debian.org |
| 22:30.11 | Reddy | nah |
| 22:30.15 | wols | Reddy: a linux distribution |
| 22:30.22 | Reddy | ow cool |
| 22:30.27 | infernix | debian is a way of life. |
| 22:30.29 | Reddy | kinda like Kylix? |
| 22:30.40 | wols | Reddy: stop trolling please |
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| 22:30.59 | wols | you're not very good at it |
| 22:31.03 | stew | Reddy: kindly {troll,cure your boredom} elsewhere |
| 22:31.10 | azeem | Reddy: this is a Debian support channel, not a random talking chat |
| 22:31.21 | Reddy | im bored, alright?? |
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| 22:31.33 | Reddy | ok, i have a question |
| 22:31.35 | azeem | Reddy: then talk in #offtopic, please |
| 22:31.37 | daeos | Reddy: get on yahoo chat and talk to the teens there |
| 22:31.52 | daeos | Reddy: they need bored people like you |
| 22:32.44 | Reddy | daeos: im the only one talking, why the fuck do u keep saying 'Reddy:' in front of ur sentence? |
| 22:32.56 | Oryn | Reddy: whats your question? |
| 22:32.58 | Deep6 | anyone a debconf guru? |
| 22:33.00 | rem | PK11_Authenticate failed -- what is that ?? thats when it aks for the NSS user .. |
| 22:33.04 | rem | in evolution |
| 22:33.04 | nn-server | help ?? irc ?? ircd?? config ?? will aneyone help |
| 22:33.12 | azeem | nn-server: uhm |
| 22:33.18 | azeem | nn-server: there are several irc daemons |
| 22:33.19 | Reddy | ok hers my question |
| 22:33.21 | dondelelcaro | nn-server: join the channel for your irc server. |
| 22:33.25 | nn-server | ircu |
| 22:33.25 | rem | have same prob nn-srv ... |
| 22:33.26 | Deep6 | where does debconf generate it's questions from when installing something like libnss-ldap ? |
| 22:33.35 | Reddy | how can you install Debian on an X40 via a USB key? |
| 22:33.37 | rem | i hardly ever get help for probs .. :( |
| 22:33.38 | azeem | Deep6: the are included in the .deb |
| 22:33.45 | wols | Deep6: a script inside the deb |
| 22:33.47 | acolwell_ | Hi all. I'm running into problems installing Debian on a dual-core Opteron. I'm trying to configure RAID-1 and the install goes fine, but when I reboot I get a kernel panic that says it can't find /dev/md0. Can anyone help? |
| 22:33.52 | stew | Reddy: /msg dpkg ig ; /msg dpkg usb-install |
| 22:33.54 | Deep6 | azeem, shouldn't they show when I do a dpkg -x on the .deb? |
| 22:34.03 | azeem | Deep6: no, it's meta-data |
| 22:34.07 | cureless | Reddy: download the usb image, boot your X40 select USB booting. |
| 22:34.10 | rem | I gues you can only count on ureself ... although i still have hope sometimes to get help .. lol |
| 22:34.18 | Reddy | ooow |
| 22:34.20 | BGreeNZ | I am installing cyrus21-imapd on a Sarge computer acting as a firewall/general gateway to a home LAN. cyrus21-common depends on libhesiod0, which I gather is some sort of name service. How should I configure Hesiod, and why is it needed? |
| 22:34.22 | Deep6 | azeem, is there anyway to view the info? |
| 22:34.23 | Reddy | why didnt i think of that |
| 22:34.25 | Reddy | thanks alot |
| 22:34.36 | azeem | Deep6: /var/lib/dpkg/package.* |
| 22:34.37 | escalade | !dpkg |
| 22:34.37 | dpkg | i heard dpkg is mad |
| 22:34.38 | wols | BGreeNZ: ignore it |
| 22:34.43 | Deep6 | I want to verify before I file a bug rep |
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| 22:35.06 | wols | Deep6: unpack the deb package fully. or download its source |
| 22:35.11 | Reddy | i use dpk |
| 22:35.13 | Reddy | for delphi |
| 22:35.15 | Reddy | i think |
| 22:35.16 | nn-server | if aney one is willing to help me join chnnel ircu |
| 22:35.17 | wols | there is a directory inside the deb called "debian/" |
| 22:35.18 | Deep6 | wols, dpkg -x isn't that unpacking it ? |
| 22:35.46 | wols | Deep6: dunno. then get the source with apt-get source. that will have the debian/ directory |
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| 22:35.59 | azeem | Deep6: dpkg -x unpacks the data.tar.gz |
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| 22:36.02 | Reddy | does anyone here know delphi? |
| 22:36.06 | Reddy | i need help |
| 22:36.07 | azeem | the debconf stuff is in control.tar.gz AFAIK |
| 22:36.08 | DevilChaos | hi |
| 22:36.13 | stew | Deep6: you need to dpkg -e to extract the control files, and look at .postinst |
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| 22:36.29 | azeem | Reddy: this is *NOT* a general progamming help channel |
| 22:36.33 | Deep6 | ahh stew thank you! |
| 22:36.35 | Oryn | Reddy: I dont know him personaly, but know of him |
| 22:36.38 | azeem | Reddy: you have been silenced for 10 minutes |
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| 22:36.44 | BGreeNZ | wols: Does that mean it's not really needed? Should I accept the default of ".athena.mit.edu" as the "Hesiod domain for searches"? |
| 22:36.57 | azeem | Reddy: please consider staying on topic after that |
| 22:37.01 | wols | BGreeNZ: just that it's not needed. leave it blank |
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| 22:37.14 | d3s | I don't understand the CHS addressing in Linux compared to (eg. OpenBSD) example is pasted |
| 22:37.36 | wols | d3s: why CHS in the first place? LBA is how old again? |
| 22:37.57 | d3s | wols: :-) |
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| 22:38.09 | d3s | I just acctually confused the way linux do the CHS |
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| 22:38.52 | kingspawn | roll is up in that. |
| 22:38.58 | d3s | for example when I did the expert mode. The partition CHS addresing is not continuous |
| 22:39.17 | Woosta | If I am running testing, do I still need non-testing repositories in my sources.list? |
| 22:39.23 | abrotman | isn't delphi .. pascal ? |
| 22:39.29 | abrotman | (and isn't there a #pascal?) |
| 22:39.29 | d3s | Woosta: no |
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| 22:39.31 | stew | Woosta: no |
| 22:39.46 | Woosta | Strange .. I don't have glibc in there .. only glibc-doc |
| 22:39.47 | azeem | it's object-oriented pascal |
| 22:39.49 | abrotman | oh .. maybe we can find out! |
| 22:39.55 | BGreeNZ | wols: Ok, so I should erase the default of ".athena.mit.edu" and leave the field blank, and that will not break anything? |
| 22:40.01 | Reddy | mofos |
| 22:40.04 | azeem | Woosta: it's libc6 and libc6-dev |
| 22:40.08 | abrotman | Reddy: what? |
| 22:40.08 | Woosta | ahhh |
| 22:40.27 | Reddy | cant ban the almighty Reddy |
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| 22:40.34 | Woosta | This bug seemed to indicate that they'd be called glibc: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=345479 |
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| 22:41.20 | azeem | Woosta: the source package name is glibc |
| 22:41.27 | azeem | the bug was filed against libc6 |
| 22:41.44 | acolwell_ | is there someone around who can help with a software RAID booting problem? |
| 22:41.53 | Woosta | Ahh cool .. thanks azeem |
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| 22:43.38 | weasel00 | what is the sources.list entry for etch? |
| 22:43.48 | abrotman | for what part of it? |
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| 22:44.22 | abrotman | idiot |
| 22:44.29 | taotime_ | hi folks anybody know how to get mp3 files (ringtones) to my motorola V551 GSM phone |
| 22:44.30 | Reddy | j00 g0t 0wn3d |
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| 22:44.39 | justinm | motorola.ca ? |
| 22:44.48 | abrotman | azeem: can you do the real name ban? might take him longer to figure out |
| 22:44.52 | abrotman | or even his nick ban |
| 22:44.54 | weasel00 | abrotman : deb ftp://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/ etch main contrib <- returns errors =( |
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| 22:45.16 | abrotman | weasel00: what kind of errors ? |
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| 22:46.15 | weasel00 | Temporary failure resolving 'debian.uchicago.edu" is the format write of the list entry? |
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| 22:46.27 | abrotman | that's a dns issue |
| 22:46.39 | abrotman | and it works fine here |
| 22:47.01 | weasel00 | so i am setting up the source entry correctly? |
| 22:47.15 | thingfish | do you need 'testing' instead of 'etch'? |
| 22:47.25 | Dwonis | etch should work |
| 22:47.36 | thingfish | I wasn't sure. |
| 22:47.37 | abrotman | no .. etch should be fine |
| 22:47.38 | \amethyst | weasel00: make sure your resolv.conf is set up properly |
| 22:47.39 | Dwonis | I don't know about the "/" after "debian", though |
| 22:47.52 | stew | Woosta: that is n't an error with your sources.list, that is a DNS configuration error |
| 22:47.53 | avont_ | hello, how do i update my kernel |
| 22:48.02 | stew | avont_: did you upgrade to sarge? |
| 22:48.03 | abrotman | from what to what? |
| 22:48.05 | thingfish | it works fine on my box, Dwonis. |
| 22:48.25 | stew | abrotman: a little while ago he was on idepci on woody |
| 22:48.30 | abrotman | ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwww |
| 22:48.30 | avont_ | stew: i already have sarge |
| 22:48.36 | avont_ | i just need to update the kernal |
| 22:48.37 | stew | avont_: /msg dpkg sarge upgrade kernel |
| 22:48.51 | Dwonis | thingfish: yeah. oddly, it works with both |
| 22:48.59 | taotime_ | i have a inspiron 5160 laptop running ubuntu i have a wireless card can i connect it to my cell phone with blue tooth on it. |
| 22:49.26 | thingfish | taotime_: you should ask that in #ubuntu. |
| 22:49.31 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 22:49.31 | dpkg | Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntulinux.org and/or visit #ubuntu, right here on IRC. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
| 22:49.39 | avont_ | stew: i got a bunch of options, now what |
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| 22:49.56 | stew | avont_: did you read that factoid? |
| 22:50.06 | avont_ | stew: yes |
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| 22:50.28 | nn-server | finally found it |
| 22:50.31 | stew | avont_: did you not know how to figure out what $ARCH is for your cpu? |
| 22:50.32 | taotime_ | thingfish : yeah but nobody knows about it there ? |
| 22:50.48 | avont_ | stew: no |
| 22:50.49 | azeem | taotime_: then ask on the ubuntu-user list |
| 22:50.52 | nn-server | for others that are intrested hear is the link |
| 22:50.55 | nn-server | http://www.user-com.undernet.org/documents/operman.php |
| 22:50.55 | stew | avont_: what cpu do you have? |
| 22:50.56 | azeem | taotime_: or on the forums |
| 22:51.04 | azeem | taotime_: or try again tomorrow |
| 22:51.08 | thingfish | taotime_: well, that's unfortunate, I'm sure - but we can't help you. We don't know anything about ubuntu and how it works, so we can't help people that run it. |
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| 22:51.50 | taotime_ | azeem : sorry but i was just trying to find out if the wireless card on a laptop connect with the bluetooth on a cell phone. |
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| 22:52.01 | abrotman | so go ask #ubuntu |
| 22:52.14 | abrotman | or ask ##linux |
| 22:52.15 | avont_ | stew: thats irrelevant, i need to update the kernel |
| 22:52.22 | abrotman | it is relevant |
| 22:52.29 | azeem | taotime_: probably not |
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| 22:52.37 | abrotman | avont_: don't argue with people trying to help you |
| 22:52.43 | taotime_ | azeem : cool thanks |
| 22:52.49 | giuliano | ciao a tutti sono nuovo e vorrei provare il programma |
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| 22:52.53 | abrotman | !it |
| 22:52.53 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
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| 22:53.19 | avont_ | *sigh* dell optiplex gx1 400MHZ p2, 4MB ati 3d rage pro 2x( on board) |
| 22:53.20 | thingfish | giuliano: we don't speak Italian, at least not most of us. |
| 22:53.21 | SammyTheSnake | is it me or are the guys at debian-amd64 singularly untalkative? :( |
| 22:53.21 | acolwell_ | Does anyone know whether RAID support is compiled into the default "etch" kernel for AMD64? Where can I find this sort of information? |
| 22:53.32 | abrotman | yay 686 |
| 22:53.32 | giuliano | grazie |
| 22:53.34 | stew | avont_: then you want a 686 kernel |
| 22:53.36 | thingfish | I should have learned it, after all my dad is sicilian and italian. |
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| 22:53.41 | abrotman | acolwell_: what kind of raid? |
| 22:53.45 | Oryn | abrotman: have you seen what happens when you try to play a .xm file in open cubic player? its not prity :( |
| 22:53.47 | avont_ | i want the latest kernel |
| 22:53.56 | acolwell_ | abrotman: Software RAID-1 |
| 22:53.58 | stew | avont_: yeah /msg dpkg sarge upgrade kernel |
| 22:54.01 | abrotman | Oryn: well .. since i have no idea what a .xm file is .. no :) |
| 22:54.03 | avont_ | i did |
| 22:54.06 | avont_ | and its a menu |
| 22:54.18 | ateoh211 | avont_: orvel redenbacker has some nice ones to choose from |
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| 22:54.19 | avont_ | saying stuff about options, and flag values |
| 22:54.27 | Oryn | abrotman: its a soundtracker type tune |
| 22:54.30 | stew | avont_: read it again, but now you know that where it says $ARCH you want 686 |
| 22:55.00 | abrotman | Oryn: oh .. ok |
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| 22:55.17 | SammyTheSnake | can anyone help me work out why I'm not having any luck getting my soundcard to work on my asus k8n mobo? it's an onboard ACL850 chip which is allegedly supported by snd-intel8x0 but udev doesn't seem to want to make me a /dev/dsp :( even if I install snd-pcm-oss and the like |
| 22:55.28 | avont_ | stew: there is no $Arch |
| 22:55.32 | abrotman | wow |
| 22:55.38 | abrotman | avont_: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 22:55.44 | abrotman | stew: sorry .. i just couldn't watch anymore :) |
| 22:56.00 | stew | !sarge upgrade kernel |
| 22:56.00 | dpkg | to upgrade your kernel in sarge run "apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-$ARCH" but replace $ARCH with one of {386,686,k7,ppc,etc...} for your specific cpu, if you don't know which arch is correct, ask me about <686> or <386> or <k7> etc. if you use grub, make sure that you have "postinst_hook = /sbin/update-grub" and "postrm_hook = /sbin/update-grub" in /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 22:56.22 | stew | avont_: see right ther ^^^ ...run apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-$ARCH... |
| 22:56.24 | SammyTheSnake | acolwell_: I'm using md to implement raid0 on my nice new amd64 machine, set it up right from the installer with very little fidle |
| 22:56.25 | Oryn | SammyTheSnake: is the snd_intel8x0 moduled? <lsmod> |
| 22:56.36 | SammyTheSnake | Oryn: yep |
| 22:56.48 | avont_ | ok |
| 22:56.50 | SammyTheSnake | Oryn: wondering if it's a udev issue or a module issue... |
| 22:56.51 | unity | hello, can someone help me set up sound? when i do alsaconf, it is unable to find any sound cards, but i know i have one and it worked with other linuxes |
| 22:56.57 | acolwell_ | SammyTheSnake: Are you booting off of the RAID device? |
| 22:57.00 | ateoh211 | avont_: cd / && rm -R * |
| 22:57.08 | abrotman | ateoh211: DON'T DO THAT |
| 22:57.11 | SammyTheSnake | acolwell_: no, I have a small (100MB) boot partition on one of my drives |
| 22:57.15 | Oryn | SammyTheSnake: did it get loaded before or after udev started? |
| 22:57.21 | abrotman | ateoh211: that's a good way to get banned |
| 22:57.28 | SammyTheSnake | Oryn: after |
| 22:57.40 | ateoh211 | it's a good way to get abrotman to rtfm too ;) |
| 22:57.43 | SammyTheSnake | Oryn: doesn't udev add new devices for new modules? :S |
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| 22:57.59 | Oryn | SammyTheSnake: yes it does |
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| 22:58.02 | Dwonis | !smite ateoh211 |
| 22:58.03 | SammyTheSnake | ateoh211: rather it's a good way to make him scared to ask |
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| 22:58.25 | azeem | ateoh211: uhm, first and last warning |
| 22:58.26 | Oryn | SammyTheSnake: do you have the other alsa modules loaded? |
| 22:58.29 | SammyTheSnake | Oryn: what can I do to find out where the process is going wrong? |
| 22:58.35 | avont_ | ok |
| 22:58.37 | avont_ | its installing |
| 22:58.47 | azeem | avont_: don't do what ateoh211 told you |
| 22:58.52 | SammyTheSnake | Oryn: I tried installing everything, nothing, just the basic sound card driver, couldn't find a combination that seemed to work |
| 22:58.59 | Oryn | SammyTheSnake: you could try #alsa |
| 22:59.27 | SammyTheSnake | Oryn: might just do that |
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| 22:59.46 | Oryn | SammyTheSnake: they are pritty good |
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| 22:59.56 | dondelelcaro | ateoh211: just in case it wasn't clear, advising people to do that is a k-line-able offense on this network. |
| 22:59.59 | priscila | thingfish, hello! |
| 23:00.24 | SammyTheSnake | Oryn: if they're better than the #debian-amd64 guys, it's worth a shot :p (getting *any* response out of those guys is a surprise!) |
| 23:00.51 | acolwell_ | SammyTheSnake: I tried creating a /boot partition that wasn't RAID and made / RAID-1. That seemed to avoid the VFS problem, but it still didn't boot right. Do you have your RAID partition mounted as /? |
| 23:00.56 | ateoh211 | times have changed, I guess :( |
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| 23:01.56 | ateoh211 | it was a lot better after someone spent 12 hours installing off of floppies that they d/l'd over dialup |
| 23:02.09 | Oryn | SammyTheSnake: I run the cvs version of alsa from a script I downloaded |
| 23:02.30 | avont_ | i can't edit lilo.conf |
| 23:02.31 | Oryn | SammyTheSnake: and I run udev |
| 23:02.47 | giuliano | x me e troppo ciao |
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| 23:02.49 | Oryn | avont_: are you root? |
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| 23:03.15 | narg | I'm configuring webmin, and in the miniserv.conf file, it has allow=127.0.0.1. I changed it to *, but it still denies nonlocalhosters. Do I need to run something to prase the config? |
| 23:03.21 | avont_ | when i gointo propteries i can't set the permissions |
| 23:03.24 | narg | parse* |
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| 23:03.31 | stew | avont_: if you are using lilo make sure that the entry for the 2.6 kernel you just installed includes an initrd, or else it will not boot |
| 23:03.53 | Dwonis | ateoh211: Some of us have matured a little since then. You haven't, apparently. |
| 23:03.54 | avont_ | thats what im trying to do |
| 23:03.55 | stew | avont_: you must be root to edit lilo.conf, you don't wan't to change permissions |
| 23:04.00 | avont_ | once i can poen te damn file |
| 23:04.04 | nonick007 | does chroor install work from knoppix cd ? or can i do netinstall onto sata disk now ? |
| 23:04.05 | avont_ | ok |
| 23:04.24 | avont_ | how do i login as root on the desktop? |
| 23:04.31 | nonick007 | s/chroor/chroot/ |
| 23:04.39 | stew | avont_: open a shell and run su |
| 23:04.39 | avont_ | huh? |
| 23:04.48 | avont_ | i know |
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| 23:04.52 | avont_ | i meant the other wya but nm |
| 23:04.53 | Oryn | narg: I had that problem, I got round it by using webmin its self to allow other ip's |
| 23:04.53 | Dwonis | avont_: What editor are you using? |
| 23:04.58 | avont_ | gedit |
| 23:05.09 | submarineshaun | evening all |
| 23:05.22 | narg | Oryn: what do you mean itself? Like from with webmin? |
| 23:05.24 | stew | avont_: its not a good idea to login to x as root |
| 23:05.25 | avont_ | once i upgrade the kernel will i lose all my stuff? |
| 23:05.28 | Oryn | narg: yes |
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| 23:05.37 | stew | nonick007: /msg dpkg chroot install ; /msg dpkg debootstrap ; the current installer can install on some SATA chipsets, but not all |
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| 23:05.40 | clemyeats | avont_ : no |
| 23:05.44 | Dwonis | avont_: Try running this: "su -c gedit" |
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| 23:05.59 | narg | Oryn: this is going to be fun, since I'm logged into the box over ssh to begin with :p |
| 23:06.07 | submarineshaun | how do I scan cd's ive burnt so apt-get can use them, from the command line? |
| 23:06.10 | nonick007 | stew i know how to chroot install thankyou , will check other stuff |
| 23:06.21 | stew | submarineshaun: use apt-cdrom |
| 23:06.23 | avont_ | ok |
| 23:06.27 | avont_ | im in the terminal |
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| 23:06.34 | avont_ | how do i open the conf file in the terminal |
| 23:06.36 | avont_ | less? |
| 23:06.41 | submarineshaun | stew: thank you |
| 23:06.45 | azeem | 00:58 < Dwonis> avont_: Try running this: "su -c gedit" |
| 23:06.50 | nonick007 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.14 | Induane_ | How does one add CFLAGS to an apt-get -b source ? |
| 23:07.26 | stew | Induane_: you don't /msg dpkg debian/rules |
| 23:07.41 | Induane_ | ?? |
| 23:07.42 | avont_ | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 23:07.42 | avont_ | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 23:07.42 | avont_ | (gedit:847): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 23:07.42 | avont_ | avont@debian:~$ |
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| 23:07.53 | Oryn | narg: if you dont have a local browser on the machine you can forward the port over ssh like this: "ssh username@remotemachine -L10001:localhost:10000" then on your localmachine simply type into your browser http://localhost:10001 |
| 23:07.56 | Induane_ | you can't change how its built? |
| 23:07.57 | sonyman | avont_: just use nano |
| 23:07.58 | stew | !tell avont_ about paste |
| 23:08.00 | avont_ | that didn't work |
| 23:08.08 | stew | !tell avont_ about run stuff as root |
| 23:08.17 | narg | Oryn: crap, it denies 127.0.0.1 now. I used lynx, and it didn't even let me try. |
| 23:08.23 | Dwonis | avont_: Try running this: "xhost +localhost ; su -c gedit ; xhost -localhost" |
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| 23:08.29 | stew | Dwonis: no |
| 23:08.30 | Induane_ | The reason I ask is that lib3ds isn't compiled with -fPIC which is necessary. |
| 23:08.31 | Dwonis | avont_: or yah, just use nano |
| 23:08.40 | avont_ | ok |
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| 23:08.44 | student | bicth |
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| 23:08.58 | Dwonis | avont_: Actually, use "nano -w /etc/lilo.conf", so it doesn't word-wrap |
| 23:09.01 | Dwonis | stew: no? |
| 23:09.07 | avont_ | i don't know how to use nano |
| 23:09.08 | student | joe |
| 23:09.21 | student | hi |
| 23:09.30 | stew | Dwonis: xhost+ is never ever a good idea, its in fact a very bad idea, especially if you don't know what kind of network they are connected to |
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| 23:09.38 | sonyman | avont_: its easy as pie. It tells you how to use it when you open the program |
| 23:09.38 | stew | student: do you have a debian related question? |
| 23:09.39 | Dwonis | stew: hence, localhost |
| 23:09.42 | avont_ | ok |
| 23:09.44 | Oryn | narg: put the file back as it was (or de/re-install it) you might be lucky and be able to do dpkg--reconfigure webmin |
| 23:09.45 | matej_ | i have this yellow icons in start menu in icewm if i pick up any of theme but Infadel! Why? |
| 23:09.57 | sonyman | avont_: just do as Dwonis says |
| 23:10.06 | stew | Dwonis: its just that there are much safer ways of accomplishing the same thing |
| 23:10.08 | avont_ | ok |
| 23:10.16 | avont_ | ok, tell me what tro do |
| 23:10.20 | Oryn | narg: feel the power of ssh >:) |
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| 23:10.36 | sonyman | avont_: su && nano -w /etc/lilo.conf |
| 23:10.38 | Dwonis | stew: Agreed, but do you have a simple command-line for xauth that does the proper thing? |
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| 23:10.46 | Induane_ | Hmmm I can't believe that you can't compile with different flags using apt-get -b |
| 23:10.50 | stew | Dwonis: /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
| 23:11.09 | Induane_ | Completely makes that ability pointless |
| 23:11.10 | Dwonis | stew: point taken |
| 23:11.16 | sonyman | Dwonis: sux is a much better way of accomplishing the same thing |
| 23:11.22 | sonyman | Dwonis: easier rather |
| 23:11.25 | matej_ | i have this yellow icons in start menu in icewm if i pick up any of theme but Infadel! Why? |
| 23:11.26 | pusling | is it possible to debootstrap a 'foreign arch' (Like debootstrapping a mips on a i386?) |
| 23:11.36 | Dwonis | sonyman: But it's unfortunately not installed by default, is it? |
| 23:11.42 | js_ | pusling: perhaps if you have a crosscompiler |
| 23:11.50 | sonyman | Dwonis: no, but debian comes with apt by default... |
| 23:11.51 | stew | js_: debootstrap doesn't compile anything |
| 23:11.55 | cappiz | someone here that could help me out with some sed? |
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| 23:12.01 | js_ | stew: oh |
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| 23:12.39 | Dwonis | sonyman: heh |
| 23:12.53 | Oryn | well I'm off to bed nn all |
| 23:13.03 | stew | pusling: i'd ask #debian-boot but my guess would be yes |
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| 23:13.56 | avont_ | ok |
| 23:13.57 | avont_ | back |
| 23:14.03 | avont_ | sorry about that, had to do something |
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| 23:14.47 | SammyTheSnake | pusling: you can do that, but you probably don't want to, unless you're intending to use the bootstrapped installation on a separate machine |
| 23:15.57 | avont_ | none of those ways worked |
| 23:16.07 | avont_ | should i just login as root on desktop and do it? |
| 23:16.09 | pusling | SammyTheSnake: I will use it on another machine. |
| 23:16.12 | Dwonis | !run stuff as root |
| 23:16.13 | dpkg | "export XAUTHORITY=$HOME/.Xauthority" in your environment BEFORE you su, DO NOT use "su -" because that blows away your variable setting above. See also <sux>, <sshx>, <mit-magic-cookie>. |
| 23:16.27 | Dwonis | avont_: ^^ |
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| 23:16.59 | avont_ | ok |
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| 23:17.28 | giuliano | grazie |
| 23:17.32 | nn-server | hi |
| 23:17.40 | nn-server | again |
| 23:18.00 | avont_ | dwoin: ok, i did the xauthority thing, now what? |
| 23:18.25 | nn-server | sitill have not yet figured out ircd config but at least i tried |
| 23:18.28 | Dwonis | avont_: Do the same thing as before: "su -c gedit" |
| 23:18.55 | Dwonis | avont_: (in the same terminal) |
| 23:19.14 | Dwonis | avont_: "XAUTHORITY=$HOME/.Xauthority su -c gedit" (without quotes) would also work |
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| 23:20.51 | avar | What's the standard way of using iptables in Debian, is there some standard init script I can get that sources a file (or its output) as the iptables rules and runs iptables-save on shutdown and iptables-restore on startup or do I have to write it myself? |
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| 23:22.00 | giuliano | ei bella gente ho appena istallato Mepis 3.4 qualcuno mi dice di piu |
| 23:22.20 | avont_ | im in! |
| 23:22.28 | SammyTheSnake | guiliano: engles solamente |
| 23:22.37 | stew | avar: zless /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian.gz |
| 23:22.37 | giuliano | sorry |
| 23:22.46 | avont_ | what do i need to add now? |
| 23:22.48 | Bucciarati | giuliano: |
| 23:22.50 | Bucciarati | !it |
| 23:23.04 | Dwonis | avar: I think you're supposed to just run iptables, and then iptables-save and iptables-restore will automatically save/restore it, but I haven't tested it. |
| 23:23.08 | giuliano | si |
| 23:23.14 | stew | Bucciarati: i dunno that you should send him to #debian-it for mepis questions |
| 23:23.18 | giuliano | jes |
| 23:23.22 | Dwonis | avar: I just put the a script in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/ :) |
| 23:23.41 | giuliano | ok thanks |
| 23:23.54 | Bucciarati | giuliano: note: this is not #mepis, nor #mepis-it either |
| 23:24.15 | Dwonis | did dpkg die? |
| 23:24.28 | avont_ | alright |
| 23:24.32 | avont_ | i did the lilo config |
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| 23:24.40 | giuliano | ok by by |
| 23:25.07 | Dwonis | avont_: After you edit lilo.conf, you have to run "lilo" (as root) for the changes to take effect |
| 23:25.29 | avont_ | well, wait what about the terminal, the kernel install is paused right now |
| 23:25.31 | unity | i am having trouble setting up sound on debian, can someone offer help? |
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| 23:25.53 | stew | unity: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 23:26.07 | unity | stew, 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 23:26.12 | avont_ | Dwonis: so reboot, right in the middle of the update of the kernel?? |
| 23:26.15 | liable | whats a simple photo viewer? |
| 23:26.16 | stew | unity: /msg dpkg 2.4 alsa one-liner |
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| 23:26.26 | Dwonis | avont_: probably not |
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| 23:26.49 | stew | liable: gqview, if you want more simple than that, display from imagemagick maybe |
| 23:26.54 | Dwonis | avont_: I wasn't paying attention to your original discussion, so I can't really say what you should do next |
| 23:27.06 | avont_ | .... |
| 23:27.16 | Dwonis | avont_: Ask whoever it was you were talking to originally |
| 23:27.22 | avont_ | continue the install right? the lilo changes should take effect when i reboot |
| 23:27.27 | liable | stew: ta |
| 23:27.30 | unity | why doesn't dpkg want to talk to me? |
| 23:27.42 | Dwonis | avont_: That sound reasonable. |
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| 23:27.50 | avont_ | ok |
| 23:27.50 | stew | dondelelcaro: dpkg seems to have died, or at least gotten quite lethargic |
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| 23:31.24 | unity | the alsa one-liner, is it somewhere on the web? i googled and no luck. can i browse dpkg's factiods? |
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| 23:32.06 | avont_ | ok |
| 23:32.07 | avont_ | dodone |
| 23:32.09 | avont_ | ok |
| 23:32.10 | avont_ | done |
| 23:32.15 | avont_ | it said installation successful |
| 23:32.28 | avont_ | Setting up kernel-image-2.6-686 (101sarge1) ... |
| 23:32.28 | avont_ | debian:/home/avont# |
| 23:32.34 | avont_ | so im done now? reboot? |
| 23:32.40 | Dwonis | avont_: Did you run "lilo" |
| 23:32.51 | avont_ | no, should i reboot |
| 23:33.10 | avont_ | lilo will run once i reboot |
| 23:33.12 | Dwonis | avont_: You should probably run "lilo" first, unless you're using grub |
| 23:33.20 | avont_ | how do i run lilo? |
| 23:33.26 | Dwonis | avont_: The "lilo" command _installs_ lilo |
| 23:33.34 | avont_ | lilo is already installed |
| 23:33.38 | Dwonis | avont_: Any time you make a change to lilo.conf, you need to run "lilo" |
| 23:33.42 | avont_ | ok |
| 23:34.02 | Dwonis | lilo is special, it also needs to be installed to your boot block. the "lilo" command does that |
| 23:34.17 | avont_ | it added 3 things |
| 23:34.21 | avont_ | now what? |
| 23:34.36 | Dwonis | #now, unless there is something else I don't know about, you should be able to reboot |
| 23:34.40 | avont_ | ok |
| 23:34.42 | Dwonis | wait |
| 23:34.42 | avont_ | listen |
| 23:35.09 | avont_ | Dwonis: is it ok, to shutdown my computer withn "shutdown -h now" in the terminal |
| 23:35.14 | avont_ | thats how you shutdown right |
| 23:35.15 | Dwonis | avont_: hold on |
| 23:35.40 | Dwonis | avont_: What does "grep -i initrd /etc/kernel-img.conf" show? |
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| 23:36.13 | stew | avont_: that's how you poweroff, if you want to reboot you can just run "reboot" |
| 23:36.23 | avont_ | ohh |
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| 23:41.29 | avont_ | ok |
| 23:41.31 | avont_ | idid it |
| 23:41.40 | avont_ | is itjust me, or is my mouse like 3x better |
| 23:42.02 | Dwonis | avont_: Your mouse is 5x better, and we now have world peace. ;) |
| 23:42.22 | avont_ | hmm |
| 23:42.58 | avont_ | howdoi burn a cd? |
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| 23:43.51 | Dwonis | er, awaken? |
| 23:44.33 | Dwonis | avont_: I think k3b is popular. I just use mkisofs and cdrecord, but that can be tricky. |
| 23:44.33 | unity | !java |
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| 23:46.08 | warreng | is there a way i can add a specific path to the "include directory ./configure uses" so i don't have to specify it on the ./configure line? |
| 23:46.37 | warreng | kinda like /etc/ld.so.conf is for libraries? |
| 23:46.48 | Bucciarati | warreng: you don't want to use ./configure |
| 23:46.58 | Stevie-O | 00 01 * * * foo <- runs foo every night at 1am, right? |
| 23:47.15 | warreng | Bucciarati: not what i asked... i don't want to get into it.. long story short i'm building my own packages |
| 23:47.15 | Bucciarati | warreng: learn about debuild |
| 23:47.30 | Dwonis | Stevie-O: yes, or it runs nothing as the "foo" user, depending |
| 23:47.41 | Stevie-O | this is in user crontab |
| 23:48.21 | Dwonis | Stevie-O: that looks right. Don't forget to set a PATH (and possibly a SHELL) in the crontab. |
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| 23:48.56 | unity | how shall i install java development environment on debian? i would like to write and compile my own java 1.4 apps |
| 23:49.16 | unity | i mean, java software development kit |
| 23:49.19 | Dwonis | unity: first, java licensing is nasty |
| 23:49.24 | Stevie-O | how do I do that? |
| 23:49.28 | Dwonis | unity: but if you still want to anyway, install java-package |
| 23:49.45 | Dwonis | Stevie-O: Look in /etc/crontab to see how it's done |
| 23:49.46 | stew | unity: apt-get install jikes-sablevm |
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| 23:52.40 | Stevie | bleh |
| 23:53.09 | Stevie | Dwonis: How should I do that? |
| 23:53.20 | stew | Stevie: man 5 crontab |
| 23:53.55 | unity | stew, ok now jikes is my compiler, but what is my virtual machine? should i install sablevm or something? |
| 23:54.25 | Stevie | okay... i have an /etc/crontab which has SHELL= and PATH= lines |
| 23:54.26 | stew | unity: oh i thought that pulled in sablevm for you, if not, yeah install sablevm |
| 23:54.32 | Stevie | do I still need to put them in my own? |
| 23:54.45 | unity | stew, ok thx |
| 23:54.48 | Dwonis | Stevie: I'd run "echo PATH=$PATH" and put the result into my crontab |
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| 23:55.39 | stew | Stevie: only if you rely on PATH being set, its probably better to just use absolute filenames, and write posix compliant shells scripts, then you don't need to worry about either |
| 23:55.41 | Stevie | btw, i have a regular email message saying |
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| 23:55.44 | gnufan | Stevie: I'd go for making the code in the crontab explicit, rather than messing with startup files |
| 23:55.46 | Dwonis | Stevie: Also, if you're not sure why you might need a SHELL line, then you don't. |
| 23:55.47 | Stevie | mandb: warning: /usr/share/man/man3/open_memstream.3.gz is a dangling symlink |
| 23:56.23 | unity | stew, if i wanted to use java's sdk and runtimes, i would have to get the bin's from java's site and make them into debs and then install them, right? |
| 23:56.24 | gnufan | Stevie: i.e. "00 01 * * * /home/gnufan/foo" |
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| 23:56.46 | Stevie | Shell=/bin/sh Path=/usr/bin:/bin |
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| 23:57.08 | Dwonis | unity: no, you'd install java-package and read the documentation |
| 23:57.08 | stew | unity: yes, you'd have to install java-package, download a .bin that is listed in /usr/share/doc/java-package/SUPPPORTED then run fakeroot make-jpkg on the .bin |
| 23:57.31 | servjew | hola people of #debian. is there anything i should be adding to my sources.list to get cool libraries and apps ? |
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| 23:57.44 | stew | Stevie: no SHELL and PATH, but if those are what you are going to set you don't have to bother, those will be there by default |
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| 23:58.08 | stew | servjew: nope, unless there is something you are having troulbe findl |
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| 23:58.34 | Stevie | Shell=/bin/sh Path=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin PWD=/home/stevie |
| 23:58.38 | Stevie | cool |
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| 23:58.44 | stew | err *finding |
| 23:58.44 | _Atomo64_ | helli Stevie :) |
| 23:58.51 | Dwonis | Stevie: Note: "Shell" and "SHELL" are not the same variable |
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| 23:59.09 | Stevie | yeah, I know |
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| 23:59.10 | Stevie | I have Shell=$SHELL Path=$PATH |
| 23:59.14 | stew | i'm not sure what setting PWD does |
| 23:59.18 | avont_ | where can i replaCE the crappy screensaver that gnome has |
| 23:59.25 | Stevie | PWD is the current directory |
| 23:59.33 | Dwonis | Stevie: I don't think setting PWD does anything |
| 23:59.36 | Stevie | I didn't set it; I was checking what it was (my home dir, which is appropriate) |
| 23:59.39 | quiet | dpkg isn't responding :\ |
| 23:59.45 | quiet | is he working for anyone else? |
| 23:59.46 | Dwonis | Stevie: ah :) |
| 23:59.46 | Stevie | since my crontab line is |
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| 23:59.51 | Stevie | sh ./get-freeshell-weblogs.sh |
